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From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four-doors are hot wheels among thieves.
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:53:29 GMT
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <1992Dec17.173329.14300@infonode.ingr.com>, Greg Moritz writes:
> MOBILE - You'd think the typical car thief would grab a snazzy, cherry-red 
> foreign sports car before even looking at a gray four-door American car, 
> right?
> [ stuff deleted ... ] ...
> .... teen-agers were stealing most of the cars that were reported missing.
> .... most youths preferred four-door cars to sportier models ...
 
[and more...]

> .... Young amateurs account for 94 percent of the thefts
>                         about   5 percent are by professionals
>                         about   1 percent involve insurance fraud.
[For Mobile]
I read a version of this in the Washington Post.  Apparently in places
like Boston they had had some success in reducing the number of amateur
thefts.  That shifted the percentage more towards the pros.

But what was interesting was they said many of the pro's were _also_
stealing `ordinary' cars.  Seems there's a big market in the parts
for the most popular cars, say a Honda.
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:21:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <BzEuo2.GpK@boi.hp.com> wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>
>I was just curious where some of the emblems and names from the
>different manufacturer's come from (Ford is pretty obvious).
>In these days of "customer recognition" I'm sure that much
>attention is paid to these cosmetic details. 
>
>Also, how often are the styles updated or changed?  Examples:
>
>     Toyota used to just say "TOYOTA" and now they have an emblem
>     (looks like a silly cattle brand to me).
>
>     Oldsmobile went from a block style from way back, to a script
>     style in the '70s, then to a fairly plain type now.  Plus,
>     have they gotten rid of the Oldsmobile Rocket emblem?  I
>     haven't realy noticed the emblems on their new cars although
>     I haven't looked very close lately (doesn't really matter
>     since they don't make "rockets" anymore anyway)

	Yes, they have been moving away from the rocket for a while.  I think 
that the soon to be released Aurora won't even have the word Oldsmobile on it.
If you want more info, there was a sidebar in Time a few weeks ago about the
demise of Olds...


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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:22:09 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec10.132437.12886@bsu-ucs> 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>	I agree with the decision.  I factory only builds cars 
>for about half the year.  I also think that the Corvette and 
>F-bodies should all be councelled.   There is very little demand
>for sportscars, that aren't fuel-efficient (All 3 cars usually
>have V-8 engines).  The General should conentrate on family cars
>and compact cars.  The F-Bodies and Corvettes are a waste of time
>and money !!!!
>B. Daneils


   Boy.  This "B.Daneils" person really ought to be more careful
   about leaving their terminal unattended.  

   Otherwise readers of this board are likely to consider them a
   total jack-ass for making statements like that on a board named
   "rec.autos".   

   Back to alt.eco-nazi, alt.ralph-nader-lover, or soc.twirp where
   you belong.


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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Is Japan being fair ? (1/2)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:50:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.145318.22589@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>In article <issa.724040127@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>>What is the hell I'm confusing or ignoring?  
>>I'm stating NEWS and FACTS (at least according to C/D). Say what ever 
>>you like, but don't tag me guilty for stating facts!!
>
>In the "Is Japan Fair" discussion, the issue of industry subsidies came
>up. You presented as argument the fact (which I did not dispute) that
>ChryCo received huge (possibly illegal) subsidies for BUILDING A PLANT
>in Lalaland.
>
>I can only interpret the presentation of these facts as your counter-
>argument that domestic auto companies also receive subsidies (in this
>case by the Austrian government). 
>
>My counter-argument was that you are confusing plant relocation 
>subsidies offered to a SPECIFIC plant by LOCAL authorities with 
>INDUSTRY-WIDE subsidies offered by the GOVERNMENT.
>
>I also presented examples where plant relocation subsidies are quite
>common in the US, while, government subsidies to the INDUSTRY (for
>things like research, etc) are NOT.

Is it wrong or unfair for Japan to support research and development?	
If there was something to invest government money in, research and
development would be the ticket.

john
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:36:55 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <issa.724467786@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>
>>  I`m sure the Celica All-Trac won't be reintroduced when
>>  the new generation arrives.
>
>The Celica set for 94 will have an all-wheel-drive GT-Four model in its 
>line up.
>
>Issa
>
Car and Driver (Jan, '93) said the AWD won't be introduced until '95.

Why did Toyota dump the Corolla AWD wagon?  It is a nice car.  Good for
Idaho winters

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:03:06 GMT

qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:

>>4 door, the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 (4 dr. version of the Eclipse.  Nice std. features)
>>

>--Unfortunately, the Galant VR-4 is no longer imported into the U.S.  One
>  might be able to find a new '92 lying around somewhere, and for a hell of
>  a price too!!

>  It's so unfortunate that high-performance, all-wheel drive versions of
>  ordinary family cars don't sell well here, and that the manufacturer
>  then withdraws the car from the lineup, such as what happened to the
>  Mazda 323 GTX.  

Yes, how sad!! The Galant VR-4 and the Mazda 323 GTX were great cars. 
I guess the public just didn't know much about them.

>  I`m sure the Celica All-Trac won't be reintroduced when
>  the new generation arrives.

The Celica set for 94 will have an all-wheel-drive GT-Four model in its 
line up.

Issa

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Advertising fee and holdback for Probe
Keywords: probe
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:43:41 GMT

In article <BzCzno.6wx@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>About 8 months ago I purchased a Probe.  The advertised the hell out of
>it to clear out the 92's for the 93's.  I never saw an advertising fee.
>If I did, I wouldn't pay it.  I didn't pay an advertising fee when I
>bought my last 3 pack of underwear.  Why the hell should I pay for it
>when I buy a car.  It's another way for them to charge you more than
>what the sticker says.  Advertising should come out of profit.
>
well said.   i also would not pay their electric bill or for a plumber to fix
the toilet in their bathroom.  those are the dealers overhead costs of doing
business...no reason any of it should be put on the car invoice!!!
hey...i just bought a 3pack of undershirts and no advertising fee on them 
either!!
From: milo@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jim  mielo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Del Sol
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:18:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: rutgers university

In article <1gmgurINNfqi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Chun-Hung Wan) wrote:
> 
> 
> In a previous article, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) says:
> 
> >In article <BzBCwJ.21sy@austin.ibm.com>, adil@austin.ibm.com (Adil Soofi) writes:
> >|> 
> >|> I am considering buying the new Honda Del Sol. Any words of wisdom from 
> >|> rec.autos readers?


    Car and driver list the price as about 16,700 (US) Si  13000 for S.
       The new Probe GT will cost about as much as the Si ( not sure on
real world stats since I'm not in the market for a new car but a few calls
will probably give you enough info)


      The stats show an OK accelerating car(0-60 8.1) with nots so great
handling ( lateral accel 0.78) and  crappy breaks ( 198 from 70mph) for
it's price plus it's heavy. Question now: is the car better than it's
stats?
probably not.

 Lots of better cars for that price. Probe GT,Nx 2000,Nissan S-ER,new
VWs,escort GT, Miata, might even be able to swing a prelude S, acura
integra RS.
   
     Fairly good company I'd say

James Mielo
Rutgers College of Pharmacy '94
milo@dorm.rutgers.edu

 owner of a now fixed 1990 GTi 8v
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: Ways to make vehicle more visible when parked
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:53:26 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Donald Teed (donald@sq.sq.com) wrote:
: I park my vehicle on the street on a cul-de-sac which seems very common
: for the area of Toronto in which I live.  The other morning I noticed
: the rear driver side corner had been struck by another vehicle - which of
: course did not stay or leave contact information.  I am wondering
: whether there are any ways I can mark the shape of the vehicle better,
: so that its outline would stand out better to blurry eyed drivers.
: Ideas: tape, reflective tape, reflective clip ons.  I am not certain
: that the impact occured at night and so colors like yellow are of interest.
: My vehicle is a burgundy Mazda pickup.  Who sells accessories in Canada that
: would help, and fall short of painting the whole thing neon pink?

Don't know about many convenient things but a neon orange plastic traffic
tube with white reflective bands could help.

Why don't you go out and buy a $50 beater pickup with heavy duty rear 
bumper and park it behind your rig.  That way, you might pick up some
insurance money from *their* insurance should you "snag" an honest
"customer".  You could pay off your $50 investment and could even
make some money.

My dad had his rig rear ended at 2 AM one morning.  By the time they got
out to check on things, the other vehicle had left the scene.  The
damage to his rig was moderate.  It was a 4WD International Travelall with
an 18 ft dual wheel flatbed trailer attached to it.  The other vehicle had
hit the trailer square in the back.  Well, the police just drove around
the area and they found a car with the front end caved in, hood peeled
back to the windshield, fluids leaking out everywhere.  Yep, this was it!
If you can inflict serious damage to the other vehicle, it is more likely
to be found...

Wes Fujii
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: lagrangj@unvax.union.edu (n/a)
Subject: Porsche joke that you've heard
Summary: you've heard
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:10:04 GMT

Well, I don't know that you heard this joke, but if you did, don't flame me.
Also, no flames for posting a joke to rec.autos.

The elephant and the mouse were walking through the jungle, having a pleasant
conversation about the meaning of life.  They were ambling along, not paying
attention to the ground in front of them, when, all-of-the sudden, the mouse
fell into a deep hole.  The mouse was screaming "Elephant get me out!  Do some-
thing!"  So, the elephant, after a few minutes of thinking, said "I've got it!"
He then dropped his massive penis into the hole and told the mouse to climb up.  The mouse was overjoyed to have escaped the hole, and promised the elephant that, someday, he would be repayed.
	Some months later, the elephant and the mouse were again walking 
through the jungle.  Not having learned from the mouses misfortune, the
elephant fell into a huge hole.  He screamed for the mouse to help him, but got
no response.  The mouse said "What can I do?  I certainly can't do what you 
did."  He then shrieked and said, "Wait one minute, I'll be back."  The mouse 
ran off.  Two minutes later the mouse returned, driving a new Porsche.  He
threw a rope to the elephant, told him to hold on, and tied the other end of
the rope to the back of the Porsche.  The mouse hopped in the car, squeled the
tires, and pulled the elephant from the hole.  The elephant was very happy.

The moral of this story:   If you've got a Porsche, you don't need a big penis.


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From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fun way to tow 2000 pounds
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:24:05 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM's message of 11 Dec 92 21:29:15 GMT
bcc: carl


John,

There are new cars out there that will tow 2k but they're not
necessarily easy to find.  It's important to consider that the cars
towing capacity may not be limited so much by it's engine/transmission
as much as the mount points on the body for the hitch.

Take the Nissan Maxima for example.  It's engine/transmission could
easily handle towing 2k pounds but it's body can't.  All Nissan cars
are rated to tow 1k pounds max.  I bought an Acura Legend LS.  It's
rated to tow 2k.  I opted for an automatic because my wife was
"supposed" to get this car in a couple of years when we got rid of her
old car.  Unfortunately, her old car died quickly after we got the
Legend and since we couldn't afford the car that I really wanted we
just got her a new car and I'll live with the Legend for now.

New '92 Legends can be had for between 27-36k depending on the model
(Legend, Legend L, or Legend LS).  '91 Acura Legend L models can be
had for somewhere in the low 20's, but that may be too high for you.
You could check out a '90 Legend, but that's the old body style and
not nearly as nice as the new body style.  

You might check out the new Pontiac Grand Prix although I don't
remember the tow rating (I *think* it was 2k).  It looks pretty nice
too.

If you use the Integra to tow 2k, be ready to change the transmission
and/or engine, these smaller cars die quickly if you overload them too
much...  If you look at Consumer Reports annual car guide, the Volvo
reliability has decreased substantially over the past several years.
I looked at a 4 runner but I hate the seating style, I just wasn't
comfortable in it.  It also isn't as much fun on the road (as you
point out).

-Carl-
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From: cyoung@virtual8.harvard.edu (Cliff Young)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Advice Wanted: Buying tires in Boston
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: virtual8.CYOUNG.92Dec15151721
Distribution: rec
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University


I'm planning to replace the standard radials on my 1990 Acura Integra
LS (195/60HR14).  It looks like I should buy Michelin MXV4s (these are
all-season radials) to replace my existing MXVs.  

The best deal I've found through the yellow pages has been $98.99/tire
at National Tire Wholesale (plus sales tax and $7.49 per tire for
balancing).  Can anyone recommend other tire sellers in Boston that
I should check out?

Also, if I should look at other kinds of tires, I'm open to suggestions.

Please email responses to cyoung@das.harvard.edu.  I'll summarize and
post the replies if I get a big enough response.  

Thanks,
Cliff Young.
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OLDsmobile name change
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:53:57 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

>Did GM just pay off Beretta Arms Company? I never heard anything about
>Colt Arms Company or Colt Malt Liquor suing Chrysler for the DODGE COLT.

They would have no basis for doing so.  Trademark law makes a
distinction between unique words like "Beretta" and common words like
"Colt."  The latter can be used as a mark on multiple products that
cannot be confused by the common consumer.  (You would be unlikely to
confuse a car and a gun.)

Similarly, you could introduce a "Shell" brand computer, for example,
but not an "Exxon" brand computer.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: asl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (albert.s.lew)
Subject: car alarms
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:08:35 GMT

Can someone suggest a good car alarm to get for a new car?
I have heard of alarms made by Alpine, ungo and Clifford but do not
know how they compare to each other.  Each seems to use a different
kind of sensor.  is any one type better than the other?
About how much would it cost to get a good alarm? $100, $200, $300? ...

Thanks in advance.
Albert Lew
asl@cbnewsl.att.com
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Del Sol
Keywords: Honda Del Sol, Miata
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Dec19.050419.20374@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mary.Daniel@launchpad.unc.edu (mary elizabeth daniel) writes:
>In article <BzBCwJ.21sy@austin.ibm.com> adil@austin.ibm.com (Adil Soofi) writes:
>>
>>I am considering buying the new Honda Del Sol. Any words of wisdom from 
>>rec.autos readers?
>>
>
>The only thing I know about a Del Sol is what it looks like; so, obviously
>I'm not here to give you info on them.  
>
>I have a 1991 Miata & my advice to you would be to BUY ONE!  I've had
>loads of fun in it!  It's peppy, handles great, gets really good
>road-trip gas mileage (32mpg-36mpg), not to mention how cute it looks. 

I don't own a Miata.  However, I have heard that in serious accidents 
involving Miatas, the driver will sustain very heavy injury or death.

This does not mean that the Miata isn't a great car to drive though.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Back issues of Car and Driver Oct. 92
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:23:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.172242.20037@lut.ac.uk> C.Wong1@lut.ac.uk (C Wong) writes:
>hi,
>does any one know how I can go about getting a copy of C/D Oct.92 - I'm
>especially interested in the article on radar detectors. 
>
>regards
>Chun

write c&d and ask them - they have a whole library of back issues

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From: pauls@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Paul Stafford)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:26:54 GMT
Subject: Re: 110v Electric Auto
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

 that's a lot of amps from the alternator. at 100W, 12V, that's 8 amps if
 the inverter is 100% efficient. probably more like 75% efficient, so you've
 got 10.6 amps. for your 500W load, that's 50 amps, and probably more than 
 your alternator can handle ( much less the wiring!) proceed with caution,
 design carefully...
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: Pirelli P500
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:59:52 GMT

From article <joso.724312342@vega>, by joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So):
> Just want to relate to the group that my
> experience with Pirelli P500 on ice and
> snow is far from satisfatory. The tires 
> did work well in the rain though. The size is
> 185/60HR14 on a Honda CRX. It's very frustrating

You put 185's on a CRX and complain about bad traction on ice and snow?
Maybe it's not the tires but the tire size that's at fault.

Dave
From: rbs@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Del Sol
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:37:52 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <BzDtAz.6xE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
> Well, if the del Sol is the future of automobile styling, I guess I'm stuck
> driving old cars.  The thing is butt-ugly!  Almost everybody I've asked about
> this agrees with me; it's just not a good-looking car.  Usually Honda does a
> good job of stylning their cars to be bland at the very worst; the del Sol is
> distinctly unpleasant.

Heh heh ... Ever look at one from the back quarter?  "Great Scott!  It's a
Porsche/VW 914!"  I really like 914s, but not because of their elegant styling :-)


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