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From: f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills vs. Cowboys, a UK perspective
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:16:59 GMT
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I was asked to post this by someone unable to post....

From:	IN%"lmvec@westminster.ac.uk"  "William Hargreaves" 26-JAN-1993 12:22
To:	IN%"f67709907@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU"
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Reading some of these articles on this net from so-called American football
experts and been amazed by the ignorance of reality.  

FACT:
----
Cowboys vs the Niners was the real superbowl
The Superbowl is just the honeymoon for the NFC Champs
The 3rd & 4th Best teams  were the Eagles and Saints
5th & 6th Were Washington and Minnasota
Buffalo are 7th on a good day
the Boyz are going to blow the bills away.
The NFL have got to look at the way the league is structured
(i.e. swap the 49ers with Pheonix, keep the NFC East and make the rest of the
league go and play college football.


You have to remember that teams like Washington and Dallas are going to be
better than there record suggests because they have tougher schedules each year
because they play NFC East Teams twice.

I've noticed that people have been quiet about the BET III recently.  All you
AFC fans had better get your posts in quick as 31/01/93 is your deadline.

Will 
[End quote]
-- 
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f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu      things." -- Dan's advice to Pres. Clinton

   Delightful Things
     A love unknown to others.
     To have solved a riddle.
     A real bargain at a shop.
     A letter from one's sweetheart.
     When something one has ordered turns out well.
	-- from _Inumakura_ (The Dog Pillow)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:03:09 -0500 
From: Joseph Theodore Helmsen <jh2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Where is Reggie White going..

I find it interesting that in many of the posts in this thread (and similar
ones), Reggie White is seen as going to two teams: Washington and xxxxxxxx
(xxxxxxxxx = Home team of person writing post).  Just something to think about.

Joe
A lifelong Skins fan
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From: jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (james webb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Who's better -- SF or Buffalo? (Does it matter?)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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In article <C18D3G.Ep9@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.070737.8102@midway.uchicago.edu> bitn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>JJ has better coaching capabilities, but Marv is more likable.

	But Marv runs like a girl....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
James Webb						jawebb@hydra.unm.edu

Go Cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Dolphins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer Thoughts...
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 28 JAN 93 12:35:50    

In article <82150@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael D. Friedman) writes...

>In article <1993Jan26.192303.2395@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>Hmmm, a few months ago I was arguing with people who said the Packers 
>>gave up too much.  Assuming the Falcons had some idea of Favre's value 
>>they had to demand at least a #1.  If they'd have been smart and if 
>>they knew how good he appears to be they shouldn't have traded him at 
>>all.  But (1) they probably didn't think he was all that great and, 
>>(2) after only 3/4 of one season it's too early to be declaring 
>>that the trade was a real steal.  It sure *looks* like a real steal 
>>but we'll have to wait and see.
> 
>	I saw a lot of talent in him when he was with the Falcs.

Did he look good in the pre-season?  I know he was 0-4 (1 int?) in the 
reg-season.

> Maybe
>its just me, but if he had *some* talent, why not keep him more than 1
>year? I mean, give them time in a system and their sure to develop, at
>least decenty...

This is *exactly* why I was saying the Falcons demanded a #1 for him.  
For a #2 you might as well take a chance and see what happens.

On the other hand, they did get the 17th pick in a supposedly deep 
draft.  What did the Falcons do with the pick?  My thinking is that 
they musta had their eye on somebody they were pretty sure would still 
be around for the 17th pick.

>	Anyway, maybe it was because they have 2 good QB's in Miller and
>W.Wilson, and a *decent* one in Tolliver.

I don't believe they had Wilson at the time of the trade.

>	I still think Majkowski would fit perfectly in New England, 
>especially in Parcell's offense...

Dunno.  I wish him luck unless he goes to another team in the NFC 
Central.

JGH

"So you are into flame war too, that's why I doubt you have a life" - Ed Lor
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From: John Hilton <hilton@turtle.psych.um.edu>
Subject: Re: JGH computer predictions: a curious algorithm
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7850293C5016A3B@gandalf-59.psych.umn.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:46:59 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:44:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.213333.1118@macc.wisc.edu> JOHN HEIM	,
heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes:

>Rank   Team        Rating  Last
> 1     Cowboys       91      2
> 2     49ers         90      1
> 3     Eagles        86      3
> 4     Saints        85      4
> 5     Vikings       79      5
> 6     Redskins      74      7
> 7     Dolphins      72      6
> 8     Bills         71      8
> 9     Oilers        66      9
>10     Chargers      60     10
>

This is somewhat intriguing.  According to Mr. Heim's algorithm,
Buffalo is mired in 8th place.  Looking at Buffalo's record against
the teams positioned ahead of them, they are a combined 4-1, with
victories against the 49ers, Saints, and 2 victories against Miami. 
Their only loss was in the Miami game and again, Buffalo's record
against Miami is 2-1.  Furthermore, Buffalo has a chanceto beat one more
team, Dallas, in the superbowl.  It would seem that a lengthy off-season
might give Mr. Heim the opportunity he needs to fine-tune his algorithm
to better reflect the relative strength
of each team.

John Hilton
University of Minnesota
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Patriots News
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:19:40 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


According to the Boston Globe, the New England Patriots are expected to
announce that Bill Parcells will be thier next head coach and possibly
general manager in charge of player personnel.  Oh great!  If the Giants
call a news conference to announce Dan Reeves as the next head coach today,
I'm personally going to tear George Young's head off!!

satish nair
giants (dan must go!)
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: JGH computer predictions: a curious algorithm
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 25 JAN 93 14:50:02    

In article <C18w5n.2H3@news2.cis.umn.edu>, John Hilton <hilton@turtle.psych.um.edu> writes...

>In article <1993Jan21.213333.1118@macc.wisc.edu> JOHN HEIM	,
>heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes:
> 
>>Rank   Team        Rating  Last
>> 1     Cowboys       91      2
>> 2     49ers         90      1
>> 3     Eagles        86      3
>> 4     Saints        85      4
>> 5     Vikings       79      5
>> 6     Redskins      74      7
>> 7     Dolphins      72      6
>> 8     Bills         71      8
>> 9     Oilers        66      9
>>10     Chargers      60     10
> 
>This is somewhat intriguing.  According to Mr. Heim's algorithm,
>Buffalo is mired in 8th place.  Looking at Buffalo's record against
>the teams positioned ahead of them, they are a combined 4-1, with
>victories against the 49ers, Saints, and 2 victories against Miami. 
>Their only loss was in the Miami game and again, Buffalo's record
>against Miami is 2-1.

The problem, of course, is the Bills losses to the Raiders, Colts, and
Jets.  

>  Furthermore, Buffalo has a chanceto beat one more
>team, Dallas, in the superbowl.

"Chance to beat" doesn't count.  

>  It would seem that a lengthy off-season
>might give Mr. Heim the opportunity he needs to fine-tune his algorithm
>to better reflect the relative strength
>of each team.

Ah, thanks for the advice.  How 'bout this.  Next year my algorithm vs 
your algorithm, okay?

JGH
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Parcells at N.E.
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:31:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <106166@netnews.upenn.edu>
satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

> What do you Pats think of the new head coach?  I understand that he
> is interested in possibly taking Marvin Jones or John Curry and building
> the team around a defense (as he did with the Giants).  Do the Pats have
> a shot at an above .500 year or even (dare I say it) a wild-card berth?

Does anyone know have far reaching Bill's powers are?  Is he also GM,
or just head coach?

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From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why Dallas wins the SB (You're wrong too!)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1jk53oINNh5v@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes...
> 
>Bill Clinton became Prez today, Cowboys are in the Bowl 
> 

Let us remember that the NFC has won the last 8 Superbowls,
and that the Republicans have been in office the last
8 years.  If a Democrat can be president, then the AFC
can win the Superbowl.

Project Pasadena
Buffalo Bills defeat Dallas Cowboys 35-24

Bruce, a Bills fan

>it's just a Arkansas thang........
> 
>Buffalo, the next Minnesota... (NOT!, but Dallas will be with 4 losses)
> 
>GO COWBOYS !!!!!!
>tim
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From: bmr@gonzo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bruce Reagan)
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Reply-To: reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: unknown
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:40:10 GMT

In article <93020.155811RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
|> Hi all!
|> 
||> Knowing that QB's are in the range of 1-19 (20?), I wonder if
|> you all could come up with a list of 'the most famous player
|> to wear nr. xx' in the range from 1-19. P's and K's are also
|
|> I'll start the list myself:
|> 
   1. Warren Moon (Who else wears #1?)
   3. Darryl Lamonica(sp?)
|> ...
|> 7. John Elway
   10. Fran Tarkenton

   12. Terry Bradshaw/Roger Staubach/Joe Namath/Ken Stabler/Bob Griese
|> 13. Dan Marino
   14. Dan Fouts/Ken Anderson
   15. Bart Starr
|> 16. Joe Montana
|
   16. Len Dawson
   17. Billy Kilmer/Jim Hart
   19. Johnny Unitas
|> 
|> Let's see this list complete, and we (=you) can do RB's and other positions
|> later also.
|> Cheers,
|>          Rene Zandbergen

-- 
Bruce Reagan
reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com
From: rhoads@riches.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THEORY that uniform colors affect games (TRUE ??)
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:15:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

In article <1993Jan20.155732.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, htnguyen@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
> 
> Dallas is probably going to wear white since they are 14-1 in white and
> 1-2 in blue this season.  The blue jersey jinx for Dallas is much talked
> about in the 70s and 80s

Dallas always wears white at home.  Thus, the only time they wear blue
is when they are playing AWAY and the opposing team forces them to
wear blue.  Surely, playing away from home has more to do with their
poorer record with the blue jerseys than the actual color of the
uniforms.

-- Glenn Rhoads
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From: bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Parcells at N.E.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:14:59 GMT

In article <106166@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>
>What do you Pats think of the new head coach?  I understand that he
>is interested in possibly taking Marvin Jones or John Curry and building
>the team around a defense (as he did with the Giants).  Do the Pats have
>a shot at an above .500 year or even (dare I say it) a wild-card berth?
>

This is the best possible turn of events, as I see it. Parcells claims that
he is not interested in making the Pats merely respectable, but that he wants
them in championship contention ASAP. I think this could happen, but hoping
for next year might be just a bit optimistic. Still, anything can happen.

The reaction here seems very positive. The Guv'nor himself showed up at the
press announcement. The Pats reported selling 260 season tickets yesterday
after the announcement, as against the usual 25 or so on a given day. 

I think having Bill as coach gives us Pats fans a genuine reason to have some
hope, more than anything. Overnight, the outlook here went from near-despair
to hopefulness. I wonder if any free-agent Giants will come over to the Pats.

Now, if we can just get a decent stadium....

Bruce Smith
From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: Enough Super Bowl Already!!!!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:27:56 GMT

Lets talk about something really important!!!:-) There 
was an article in the paper this morning concerning the
possibility of the Dolphins changing their Helmet color.
Seems they are going to consider changing it to aqua!!
Yech!!!! What do you Dolphin fans think?  I personally
think their aqua pants suck, I can't believe they would
consider changing the helmets also!!!!! 

Oh yeah, does anybody know anything about the new
offensive line coach they hired yesterday?  I believe
he came from the Raiders...

Ted
From: doan@aslslc07.asl.dl.nec.com (Duc Doan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:30:16 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX

In article <C18E6s.E6v@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>In article <105948@netnews.upenn.edu>
>satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>> Oh great!  If the Giants
>> call a news conference to announce Dan Reeves as the next head coach today,
>> I'm personally going to tear George Young's head off!!
>> 
>> satish nair
>> giants (dan must go!)
>
>Let's see...we got a run oriented team with a pass oriented
>coach...hmmm.  Anybody know where we can get some receivers quick?  No
>sir...I don't like it.  :-(

I personally think it will be great for footbal as a whole and the NFC
east in general. The Giants bored me to death with their run oriented
offense. If it's not for the defense I probably never watch them play.
>
>Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: NFC superiority complex, Predictions, Menu.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:33:29 GMT


	I hate the Bills. I really hate the Bills. But, I sure hope they
	win, so that all the AFC bashers will quiet down, and maybe
	the superiority complex that NFC fans have been displaying here
	will vanish.

	As for predictions: Dallas defense can't focus enough
	to shut Bills down. Buffalo 28 Dallas 17. Half time B:10, D:7.


	Note: I won't root for the Bills, but a Buffalo win would make
	the net more enjoyable for me...


	Menu: Rattlesnake Beer (Texas)
              Chili (Texas)
	      Buffalo wings (duh)
	      Buffalo burgers (duh)


	Serving: Wings during first half. Grilled buffalo burgers,
	open faced on a thick slice of bread, topped with chili,
	onions, and cheddar. Serve with outside temperature (-20 or so)
	beer and enjoy 2nd half of game.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zip   Steelers in 92!          | Illinois Basketball: More three point 
      Bubby's Back!!!!         | shooters than you can shake a stick at!
"I didn't lose, the Team lost" - Coach
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "How bout them Cowboys"
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:27:53 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan21.152325.21236@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:

>in the SB?  Just because Buffalo has in the past?  All of your reasons 
>Buffalo will win are pure conjecture and highly subjective.

Yes, well this is a discussion group for opinions. I posted my opinions.
Your opinions are just as much pure conjecture and highly subjective.

>
>Floyd Goodrich
>floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com

--Jim
From: djd@agent99.East.Sun.COM (Dave Damkoehler - Sun BOS Editor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Trivia :Fearsome Foursome
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:23:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
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Summary: The Fearsome Fourth

In article <30201@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>
>Decon Jones, Merlin Olsen, Rosie Grier, and ____________.
>Who was the fourth?


From the memory of one Packer fan---who lost most of his
fingernails watching this bunch rush Bart, stuff Jimmy,
and chase down Paul too often for comfort---the Fearsome
Fourth was:

	Lamar Lundy


Dave
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Quarterback Question
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:00:15 GMT

In article <0096748E.EC9D2CA0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>Hi there
>Can anybody tell me which College has produced the most
>number of Super Bowl winning QB's?
>Thanks


This is what I can figure out:

Alabama:  3 quarterbacks in 4 SB,  record 4-0  Starr,Namath,Stabler
LA Tech:  1 quarterback  in 4 SB,  record 4-0  Bradshaw
Purdue:   2                 5             3-2  Dawson,Griese
ND:       3                 7             5-2  Lamonica,Theisman,Montana
Stanford: 2                 5             2-3  Plunkett,Elway
Navy:     1                 4             2-2  Staubach
Georgia:  1                 3             0-3  Tarkenton
Cal:      2                 3             0-3  Kapp,Morton


etc.

There is a difference between most wins and most winning qbs.  Which did you
mean?



-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions.
 Well, we shall see." -- Cardinal Ximinez
From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dan Marino
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:47:26 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

jawebb@leo.unm.edu (james webb) writes:

> 
> 	As a die hard Dolphin and Cowboy fan, this has been a year of ups and
> downs. The ups: the Cowboys in the Superbowl for the first time of my adult
> life. One of my fondest memories of my youth was watching the Boys beat up
> on the hated Broncos in 77. The downs: watching the Dolphins collapse again.
> 
> 	I'm begining to think that the Dolphin offense is begining to 
> contract Houston disease. They seem to lack emotional cohesiveness. They don'
> play like they want to win. I think that Marino is one of the top 5 QB's of a
> time, but he needs to do more than just throw for 4000 yards; he needs to lea
> and motivate the team. Twice this year after throwing interceptions, he's jus
> thrown his hands up and turned his back on the return. The announcers talk 
> about what a great competitor he is, but all this year I never really saw a
> burning drive to win in him, or in the offense. Too many egotistical players,
> no motivation (except for a few), and no drive to win.
> 
> 	Sigh. At least the defense is playing like they want to win. A lot of 
> people were harping on Marco Coleman for dropping the fumble return when he
> tried to run it back. Kudos to Marco, I would of done the same figuring that
> I could probably move the ball better than the offense at that point.
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> James Webb						jawebb@hydra.unm.edu
> 
> GO Cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Go Dolphins (next year)!!!!!!!!!!

I, too can relate.  I was dreamin' of a Cowboys and a Dolphins Super
Bowl.  But, Miami's Offensive line collapse.  Richmond Webb can only
take care of one side, so there will be a week side.  Unfortunately,
if the side that is week happens to be the QB's Blind side, there
will be sacks, fumbles, disasters.  How many times can I recall that
Sims missed key blocks or had got caught holding?  Let's hope that 
Miami can pick up any decent O-linesmen from the draft. 
If Eddie "Earthquake" Blake was not a disappointment (dropping a weight
on your foot, then showing up to camp and saying "Coach, I think I 
broke my foot!".  Ending up on PUP for the year.  I believe he was
a Guard, but could use him either as O-line or D-line. 

Jim G.
Dolfan since '72.
Cowboys fan since '78.

"Sig?  we don't need no steenkin' sig!"
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