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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Diabetes in cats-blood and urine samples ???
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:18:45 GMT

In article <1SEP199216085699@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.022113.22156@riscsm.scripps.edu>, collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet) writes...
>>Is there an easy way to take blood and urine samples from a cat? 
>
>or a cat care book *says* that you can get a urine sample by catching
>the cat in the act (sure...) and slipping a bit of plastic wrap between
>the cat and the litter (sure...). 

Once the cat has actually started peeing, I don't believe it has the necessary
conscious sphincter control to stop. I say this because back when Boots was 
very small and picked any old spot to pee in (see a previous discussion), we 
once caught her just as she started. My husband picked her up to take her to 
the box, and she kept right on peeing, all over herself (he was holding her by 
shoulders and haunches horizontally on her back) and my husband's hands. I 
felt really sorry for the poor little thing. I'm sure she didn't do this deli-
berately; it can be difficult to stop the flow in mid-stream, and she didn't 
act mad or otherwise upset with us (she wasn't smart enough at the time).

Of course then she had to have a bath ...

At any rate, if the cat is well-litter-trained and unlikely to get up while
it's actually peeing, slipping something underneath it might just work. I
think you'd need something more rigid than plastic wrap, though. And what
about sterilization?
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From: echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT)
Subject: How about kitty noises?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:48:22 GMT

How about cat noises:

HOWL: "when are you going to feed me?"

HOOOWWWL: "I said, when are you going to feed me"

NNNH: squeaky little sound made when landing after a jump

CHIT, CHIT, TCHT: a noise made while chasing or seeing a bug, spider,
bird, or other moving creature

_____: no noise made, but it looks like a MEOW

ME: a cut off MEOW, like they ran out of breath or don't want to be
bothered with a WHOLE MEOW.

lyndap

 /\ /\
   o

My cat BARKS when I come home.  It's a series of short, excited
meows that sound like a like a bark or quacking noise.  He also
does it when I'm fixing his food and water.

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From: collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet)
Subject: Diabetes in cats ???
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:46:22 GMT

I am new to this newsgroup, so I don't know whether this has been discussed before: do cats develop diabetes or diabetes-like symptoms?
My 4-year old cat Mr.K has lost weight, has high blood sugar, sugar in his urine and ketone in his urine, yet does not seem to respond well to insuline ultralente (4 Units in the am per 10 lb weight).

Any comments, hints, personal experiences? BTW, he just went through a ketonic crisis in the pet emergency clinic and I sure hope that this can be brought under proper control soon.

Cheers,


Thomas
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From: beckwith@ursa12.cs.utah.edu (Lisa Letellier)
Subject: Re: Forever puking cat...
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:36:06 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


Oops!  My previous post didn't quite make it, so here it is again....


My cat dave (a female calico-about 7 yrs old) also had a problem with puking
a lot.  Sometimes it was hairballs, but most of the time it was just food.
After numerous visits to the vet to determine what the problem was (and
eliminating the possibility of it just being hairballs) the vet said she had an
intestinal problem that caused her to be very sensitive to food. We ended up
giving her some medicine the vet prescribed  (can't remember the 
name but it helped keep any inflammation down), sticking to one kind of canned
food (prescription), as well as continuing to give her Laxatone to help with 
any new hairballs --- we also stopped feeding her dry food altogether because 
she seemed to especially have problems with it even though she's been eating 
a mixture of dry and canned her whole life.  Well, to make a long story short,
she hasn't had any problems for the past month so we think she may be over 
the problem.  She's no longer taking the medicine, just a bit of Laxatone once 
a week, and she only eats canned food (not prescription).  She pukes up a
hairball every now and then, which is the vet said is normal, but she has 
stopped puking up her food.  The vet seemed to think the dry food might have 
been gumming up her insides a bit too much also.  Make sure you go to the vet
and eliminate any and all possibilities of disease as puking can be the sign 
of many problems.
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From: ericj@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Eric Jacobsen)
Subject: Re: Food for FUS cats
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.151304.11125@athena.mit.edu> amd@ghost.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis) writes:

   My sister has a cat (female) with FUS.  Currently she is buying this
   really expensive perscription cat food from the Vet.  I was wondering
   what other people feed their cats with FUS. What brand? is it wet
   or dry? Other supplements?

The "expensive stuff" is probably Science Diet, which is kind of
expensive anyway, but always REALLY expensive when you buy it from
the vet. If there's a PetSmart or other type of pet store in your
area then your sister might be able to get the exact same food for
a better price (we did this for a long time).

My wife discovered another brand called "Max Cat" (or something, I
think that's close), that has a blend for FUS cats and a lot cheaper
than Science Diet. Our cat has been on it for probably four months
now and seems to really like it. No recurrent FUS problems, either.

Oh, all of this stuff is dry food, although I guess you can get wet,
too. Hope that helps...


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From: ericj@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Eric Jacobsen)
Subject: Re: Catnip question
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:17:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.203107.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> cmickan@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

   I gave my cats some fresh catnip last night for the first time after
   reading so much about it in this group.

... stuff deleted ...

   I'm going to get a couple of plants now that I know they love it but can I
   give it to them everyday without doing any harm other than Fatstuff losing
   his dignity and behaving like a kitten?

My sister grows catnip for friend's and neighbors (she doesn't have a cat),
and we occassionally bring it home for our cat. Somebody told us that a cat
will ignore a catnip plant if it grows up new around them. Apparently they
get conditioned to it as a normal part of their environment.

I'm not positive that this is true but you may wish to check it out
rather than grow a catnip plant and have your kitties ignore it.

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From: mgd@world.std.com (Matthew G Davidson)
Subject: LitterProblems
Summary: one cat prefers the floor
Keywords: Litter
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:54:31 GMT

Help! I have two three year old female cats.  They get along as well as two
sisters are expeceted to but... 

...recently one of them has stopped using the litter box to empty her bladder.
The litter box is very clean, I have not changed anything (litter brand, cat
food etc...)  They are happy as cats can be.

Whats up?


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From: cmickan@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Cat rash
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:52:48 GMT

Over the weekend, I had relatives staying with me.  Josephine, the 
nervous cat, dislikes people on the whole except me who she follows
around all the time.  I can't even go to the toilet in peace without her
sitting on my knee!

I noticed after a couple of hours of my guests arriving that Josie started
to get a rash on her hind legs and on her belly.  This isn't the first time
that this has happened when I've had people stay and was just wondering if
any of you have come up with the same problem.

Both cats are going to the vet on Friday for their needles and I will ask
the vet about this as well.  Is it a nervous rash?  She also has a problem
eating when people are around as her stomach get upset as well.  By the way,
the rash disappeared not long after my guests departed.  Hope I can get this
sorted out soon as it would be embarrassing to have to tell people that they
can't stay with me as it makes my cat sick!  (Good excuse sometimes, though)

-- 
Judy Mickan                    
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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: COUGH! COUGH! Scoopable catlitter dust
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:57:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.JON.92Aug25105718
Organization: University of Utah

In article <714366606snx@n5ial.chi.il.us> jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham) writes:


   In article <Bt71su.53D@news.udel.edu> thuyan@ravel.udel.edu writes:

   > I am having a problem with my scoopable kitty litter.
   > The dust is everywhere!!  Has anyone else had this problem?
   > Are any brands better than others?  Any suggestions?

   seriously, though, I'd suggest (unless someone can name a brand that
   doesn't release so much dust into the air) that you follow what I,
   uhh, was supposed to follow (due to big-time allergies) when I lived
   back home in Texas and did anything like mow the lawn, etc., and
   wear something along the lines of a surgical mask, or anything similar
   that blocks the dust (pollen, in the lawn-mowing case) from entering
   via either the mouth or nose.  the few times I did this (when the
   pollen count was sky-high), it really did make a huge difference.

try a hardware store, or better yet, a paint store.  they often sell
packages of cheap fiber masks that cover your nose and mouth.

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From: nak@maths.nott.ac.uk (Nicki Keating)
Subject: VET says "Dry/Wet food combo bad for cats"...?
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:05:50 GMT

** Sorry in advance if this is in the FAQ.

[I'm posting this for a friend of mine]

I feed my cats "Kit'n'Kaboodle" (dry) in the morning, and "Arthurs" cat
food (wet) in the evening.  My vet has told me that this is a bad thing to do.
Something about this half/half combination damaging their livers.

He seems to think that we should feed them one or the other, but not both
equally.

The cats seem healthy.  It seems unfair to give only dry "cookies" all day to
what are essentially meat-eating animals, but I don't have enough time in the
morning to wait until they've eaten all of the a.m. feed, and I don't like to
leave wet food out all day.


If it really is bad for them, then I'll obviously have to change my routine,
but has anyone else been told that a wet/dry combo can be dangerous to their
health?


Thanks in advance.
[post only - email's broken.  damned computers!]
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From: calamity@acca.nmsu.edu (Calamity Jane)
Subject: Re: Driving x-country w/ Cat.  Suggestions?
Organization: New Mexico State University
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:54:06 GMT

John Tipshus (sauer@bluemoon.rn.com) wrote:
: My 1.5 year old Nemisis female tabby will be with me while I drive 1,500 
: miles cross country.  During short travel she freaks out completely.  Are 
: there any suggestions before and during this journey?  
: 
: Thank you.
: 
:      John


Well, I have two cats, and one has travelled with me cross country several
times with no problems...he just curls up on my lap (when he is not in the
cage).  The other one is impossible in the car, so I talked to my vet, and her 
suggestion was to try tranquilizers...I have done this, and they worked
fine...the cats made the trip with no ill effects.  Some things that are
important though:  have plenty of water available so they do not dehydrate,
food (mine never seemed all that interested in food, with or without the 
drugs), and, of course, the litter box.

Make her feel at home during the trip...that always helped me out with 
Newton and Puck.

Good Luck,

Jane
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:17:08 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

On the subject of kneading (I forget if I had made mention of this but
anyways...):

Lately, Finster has picked up a habit of coming into the bedroom in
the middle of the night, coming up to me in bed, and kneading me,
either on my stomach or on my thigh (try having about 12 pounds of
pressure on each paw!).  He'll do this for a coupla minutes before
he decides to settle down and curl up with me and nap for a while.
Of course this wakes me up and at that hour it's kind of hard for me
to fall back asleep, which means that on some nights, the bedroom 
door stays closed, like last night, for instance.  Of course Finster
puts up a protests and started to MREOW! and cry pitifully at the door
til i went and picked him up and having him purring away while I 
dumped him on his favorite perch, the top of the livingroom bookshelf.
It kept him quite the rest of the night :)



- Eva, with two zonked out kitties on a warm and humid evening



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From: trish@tronsbox.xei.com (Trish)
Subject: Re: Forever puking cat...
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:39:51 GMT

In article <4ecuP0u00Uh783AToU@andrew.cmu.edu> jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Janviere S Thuman) writes:
>One of my cats (Gabrielle) had the same problem. I asked my vet and he
>suggested that I rub an ointment on her paws. Supposedly, the fur from
>her licking herself was clogging her up and she was trying to "puke" out
>the fur balls and in turn, was also puking up her food. This oinment (I
>forgot what it is called) worked to loosen her passages and the problem
>stopped. I put it on her paws at least once a week. Someone else may
>know what it the stuff is called, but it worked great! (and she really
>liked the way it tasted!)
>Just a sug!
>Shellie

Shellie,
The tube that my doctor had sold me (for my long haired cat
especially) is called Kat-A-Lax but you have to be careful not to
exceed the dosage as it is a laxative.  It supposedly tastes like
chocolate to them.  Three of my cats like it so much they will lick it
off of my finger but Mousetrap, my long haired one, will not so I have
to put it on his paw for him to clean it off or what works even better
is to put it under his nose.  It droves him crazy cause he can smell and
knows it is there...so he keeps licking his lips until he gets it all.
I hate "playing this game" but its the only way....

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From: bonni@snoid.cray.com (Bonni Ensminger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:00:37 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: bonni@snoid


In article <23926@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick) writes:
> In rec.pets.cats, tastewar@athena.mit.edu (Tom Stewart) writes:
> >Don't have a name for this, but I love it when they lay on their backs
> >under our dining room table, and pull themselves along by grabbing the
> >chairs.  Anyone have a good name for that?
> 
> Muffin does this, she loves to play with the dining room table and chairs.
> It's like a big toy to her.  She runs, grabs a table/chair leg beats it
> up and then takes off running.  The other 4 don't even give it a second
> thought.
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Sorry, no name, but Winston does something similar, too.  We have a railing between our living room and the family room, which is a half floor lower.  When we're near the railing in the family room, Winston figures it's play time.  We slide our fingers along the floor under the rail or up the side of a spindle, he attacks by laying upside down and pulling himself along the floor by grabbing
the spindles.  It looks like he's climbing a ladder on his side. :-)

Bonni
From: mverman@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat and stove
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:53:28 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Minnesota State University System

As has been mentioned before, some cats are averse to aluminum foil.

Laying a sheet of it across stovetop would be an inexpensive and simple trial 
intervention.

Good luck.

...Shu

In article <1992Aug27.150509.22538@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
> My boss's cats did this, and they didn't catch it in
> time.  He had to buy a new range.  He says what he did
> as a temporary measure was to put towels across the
> top of the stove (while they were not using it, of course).
> It seemed to stop the cats from using the "facility."
> (This was an electric range.)  When he replaced the range,
> he got a gas range, and the cats don't like it--the pilot
> light is always on and they can't sit on the top like they
> used to.
> --
> Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
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From: bonns@circus.Camex.COM (Bonnie Evaschuk)
Subject: Re: Forever puking cat...
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 08:32:53 EDT

In article <1992Sep1.001955.26819@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>hi,
>my year and a half old kitty seems to be throwing up a lot lately.
>not real throw up, but rather just her food.  Before it was occasional, and 
>probably due to her over eating in a sitting.
>but it seems to occur more and more often...
>I think we have been changing food a little more often than usual.
>so this may be the problem. How sensitive can cats be to new foods?
>We don't change to exotic foods or something, just
>from Alpo Gormet (the garfield kind :)
>and Meow Mix.  Any bad experiences with either?
>thanks for any info.  She is normal at all other times.  Walks on 
>over, throws up, and then she goes back to doing whatever she was doing before
>without so much as a hint of sickness.  Please send Email replies only.
>I will be out of town for a short while, so my list will be long to read!
>Thanks!
>
>Derek & Lisa
>(George and Gracie)
**********************************************************

Derek, it is entirely possible that a drastic change in diet could cause this
kind of reaction. Some cats can be a little more sensitive especially with
brands bought in the grocery store. If you have to change brands, try to
mix the two different ones together before changing over totally.

I also talk frequently with one of my customers who had this problem with
her cat. The end result was something along the order of some kind of
intestinal problem and the vet has the cat on a diet of Hill's C/D for the
rest of his little life. This can be extremely expensive food because it
is prescription food and can only be bought through a vet. You might want
to try out the Hill's Science Diet Maintenance Light which you can get at
most pet stores. From what I understand, it is pretty bland and easy on
their little stomachs but my guys love it!

Hope this was helpful... and I hope your little girl stops her puking!

bonns
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Tail stood up straight, what's up?? 
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:09:36 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Aug24.180056.8042@informix.com> davek@informix.com writes:
> Jim Graham (that's me) writes:

> >hmmm.....  if I understand what y'all mean about the cat's tail being
> >straight up, we're talking about it being completely vertical, right?
> >
> >I'd always understood this to be a ``sign of pride and content'' (right
> >out of one source that I read a long time ago.... I don't recall what
> >the source was, but I still remember the quote).
> 
> Hmmm.  Does this ring a bell with you:
      [interesting quote deleted]
> From "The Naming of Cats" by T.S. Eliot

nope, sure doesn't.  the source I was looking at (and mind you, this
was probably back when I was in high school...maybe even long before
that...) was about a cat's body language.  I'm pretty sure it was just
a small 3 or 4 page thing I picked up at the vet's one day.

nice try, though!
   --jim

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