From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183026.9419@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>In article <1at09jINN8m9@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>>>Recently, at a playground, my son was pushed by a kid twice his
>>>age and size.  He wasn't hurt, but he was scared out of his wits.  When 
>>>I finally found the older boy's father (reading a newspaper about 20
>>>yards away from the playhouse), he responded to my request to
>>>supervise his kid more carefully with "Hey, boys push.  Your son
>>>should just push back."  I told him in no uncertain terms that
>>>*even* if I bought into such stupidity, it wouldn't be a fair fight,
>>>since his son was so much bigger.  (By the time I was done arguing
>>>with this guy, I was ready to punch his lights out, but I didn't,
>>>realizing that this was not the behavior I wanted to model for
>>>Dylan.)
>>>
>>>It doesn't help parents like me who are trying to raise our sons to
>>>be prosocial rather than aggressive, to run up against people like
>>>that father at the playground.  But, to anticipate any other such
>>>macho types out there, such a childrearing goal does not mean that
>>>my son will not be able to assert himself.  Just as I would
>>>want a daughter to be self-assertive but not violent, I expect the
>>>same level of civilized behavior from my son.
>>>-- 
>>>Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
>>>(Dylan's mom, 22 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
>> 
>> Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
>>the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
>>He's going to encounter confrontations ten fold.
>> At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
>
>  So you're saying if the big kid pulled a knife, Dylan was
>  supposed to pull a gun, right?  I mean, after all, a man's
>  got to do....
 
 No I meant if the kid pulls a bazooka Dylan should have called in the 
Air Force. Jeezus Christ where do you people come from.
 
>
>> Eventually your son will being fighting for his slice of the pie
>>in life and you are not going to be there.
>>
>  Grrr... Just because everyone's doing it doesn't make it right.
 
 Your right. Don't teach your kid to strive to succeed in a competitive
world. Just because everyone else wants that nice job doesn't mean it's 
right. I gather you people are from misc.kids. Is every post attacked
in that news group or what. Hey as far as I'm concerned put a dress on
him it won't bother me in the least.
 
>  Diane doesn't expect her son to push back, but to stand up for
>  himself if pushed.  There's a difference between being violent
>  and self-assertive.  Assertive behavior does not allow oneself
>  to be picked on, but also doesn't go and pick on someone else.
 
Where exactly did I tell her to have her kid attack the other kid.
Where? I never did. All I implied was she shouldn't get so upset.
At some point the kids gonna have to fight is own fights. Next thing
I know I'm Mister Macho and encouraging children to kill each other.
I am responsible for the demise of mankind and only watch Rambo movies.
What the hell are you people on? I want some but give me a half a dose.
I'm driving. Are you really that far gone?
 
>
>  Street-smarts also says that you fight someone who is bigger than
>  you, you're a stupid jackass.  In this case, it would be better
>  for Dylan to just tell the brute he's a jerk and no one likes
>  to play with jerks.  Politics works well in the schoolyard to
>  ostracize bullies.
 
Agreed. I guess that means your as insane as I am. You people are out
on a limb even considering net standards. Unbelievable.
 
>
>  If I'm reading this correctly, she is also taking on the
>  sexual stereotype that allows (and by your attitude, encourages)
>  boys to be violent and aggressive whereas expecting girls to
 
 Yea thats what I do all day encourage children to be violent and aggressive
unlike you passive posters.
 
>  cower and run for protection.  With kids shooting each other
>  in high school, I commend Diane's idealism.  If more parents
>  taught their kids (boys) that violence is not the answer
>  there would be less kids killed in school.  Finally, Diane's
>  kid will be less likely to be involved with the brutes that
>  do the shooting and stabbing than someone raised to seek
>  physical confrontation.  
>
 
Where the hell did I say her kid should seek out physical confrontations.
You people are 100% certifyably insane.
 I tell ya what when some kids continously take Dylans lunch money and
the school can't do anything about it because it occurs off school grounds
and you can't get any cooperation from the parents you just put some
tights on old Dylan and tell him to hide under his desk till his
Mommy gets there. Have a nice life Dylan.
 
 That kids gonna need counseling. Thanks for the unsolicited attacking
posts you glorious passive hypocrites.
P.S. Get bent
 

 
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