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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Hugh Masekela (plus gratuitous Jazz Crusaders plug)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:42:29 GMT


There's a new Masekela album, BEATIN' AROUND THE BUSH, on the Novus
label.  I only saw the review (Sept. issue of Downbeat.)

As it happens, two weeks ago I picked up a Masekela double album at
the local public library.  It was from 1972, recorded in London with
Dudu Pukwana on alto, a south-african drummer whose name escapes me
(he's also in Johnny Dyani's SONG FOR BIKO, along with Pukwana and Don
Cherry, on Steeplechase) and an american keyboard player whose name
also escapes me but who composed a tune called Inner Crisis.  (I say
"keyboard player" rather than "pianist" because this is 1972... he
plays electric piano and organ.)

Anyway, it's a fine record, though most of it is more in a Jazz
Messengers or maybe Jazz Crusaders vein, and not so much in the South
African mood.  It does have several kwela-type compositions, one by
Miriam Makeba, and one that I recognized from Pukwana's FROM THE
TOWNSHIPS, which was recorded maybe a year later.  (Same tune,
slightly different name, different composer credit).

By the way, when I say Jazz Crusaders, I don't mean the 70's-80's
slick sound, but rather the early 60's pre-fusion funky band.  Ooh,
they were sweet.  Recently I found their second LP, recorded ca. 1962
at the Lighthouse.   No, it has nothing to do with Masekela but it's
a lovely sound.


--Gidi
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Hannibal
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:04:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug31.195313.22510@sarah.albany.edu>, rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump) writes...
>On the latest Andrew Cyrille record (MY FRIEND LOUIS), Hannibal Marvin
>Peterson is listed in the credits simply as Hannibal (full names are
>given for everyone else).
>This is no big deal, but I'm curious to know if
>anyone out there knows the story behind this -- is Hannibal to be known
>by that name alone from here on out?

I have a release credited to "Hannibal" that came out on Enja a number of years
ago, I guess he's been using the single name for quite a while.

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From: chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Michel Petrucciani
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:44:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <0095F956.AEA8F5E0@vax.nott.ac.uk> cczanj@vax.nott.ac.uk (Andy Jack) writes:
>In article <1701@grivel.une.edu.au>, lrowland@metz.une.edu.au (Lindsay Rowlands) writes:
>>
>>	I have just discovered Michael Petrucciani's playing on his
>>1991 album 'playground'. Piano does not usually grab me in the way
>>this has. I am interested in hearing more. As he has produced a 
>>number of albums, I would appreciate any recommendations. 
>
>
>I have heard him on the radio in a trio context and been more impressed. I
>enjoy the above CD when I do listen to it but I suspect it's not his best. I'm
>tempted to get the one (ones?) with Jim Hall and Wayne Shorter, since Jim Hall
>is a childhood hero of mine.

"Power of Three"  (1987, Blue Note BT-85133 [mine's an LP]) features Jim Hall
and Wayne Shorter with Petrucciani.  It was recorded at Montreux 1986.

Cuts are:  Limbo, Careful, Morning Blues, In a Sentimental Mood, Bimini.

Hall and Shorter each sit out one song, so Petru. gets lots of one-on-one with
each of them.  I like his piano better this way, without a trio;  he seems
more relaxed to me.

Comes highly recommended.  :)   
					David Christensen
					chrisda@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: bb king is giving me the blues
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:59:00 GMT

In article 19327@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM, elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Elliott New) writes:
>|In article <1992Aug24.213041.14643@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>|>I think what the original poster was trying to say is that by usin the blues to 
>|>salute the man who thought up the Willie Horton campaign trick, Lee
>|>Atwater, is an insult to blues.  The reason is that the Willie Horton 
>|>episode sought to exploited the inherent fear of african americans present in the 
>|                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>hearts of the middle class, and to use an art form which is the result of the pains
>| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>and suffering caused by white people's oppression of african americans to salute the 
>|>originator of this hate campaign is the ultimate slap at the african-american culture.  
>|                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|
>|Where do you get this stuff?  "Inherent fear of african americans"  The Lee Atwater
>|ad just showed a murderer that was let out of prison for a weekend.  The scumbag in
>|question (Willie Horton) chose to rob, rape, and assualt on his weekend off.
>|Dukakis was the one that let him out on the town for the weekend.  The point was to
>|show it is a mistake to let murderers out of prison for a weekend.  It wasn't
>|a "hate campaign".... it was a campaign to show that Dukakis had poor judgement
>|signing the weekend pass.
>|
>|You are the racist one, here.  You turned an ad about a murderer into something it
>|wasn't.  Also, note that you said "inherent fear of african americans present in the
>|hearts of the middle class".  Aren't there at least a few african americans *IN* the
>|middle class?  (A lot more than a few!)  
>|
>|Elliott New 
>|
>|P.S. - If you are so unafraid of murderers, why don't you have a few spend the
>|weekend with you.  If Willie Horton was such a great guy, why don't you let
>|him sleep at your house on his next weekend out.  


Why did Atwater pick a BLACK murderer as his example?  If the campaign was to 
show the dangers of letting criminals out, why didn't they use examples culled 
from the entire program?  Was Willie Horton the ONLY case that they could find?  Or
was it the only case with a BLACK criminal.  

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From: acgd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (andrew.charles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Best of Elmore James (and a new question)
Keywords: Capricorn
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:08:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Sep3.170847.14304
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep2.165037.24494@oracle.us.oracle.com> dasherma@us.oracle.com (Douglas Asherman) writes:
>There is a boxed set of Elmore James' Capricorn sides.  I believe
>it consists of two CDs and a booklet.  I don't have it (yet), so 
>I can't give you precise information, but I did listen to it
>and it certainly looks/sounds like the best of Elmore James.

Actually, it is a compilation of James's Fire, Fury and Enjoy label
recordings. 2CDs 50 tracks. I just bought it last night.

At the same store I saw that the "Collectibles" label has 4CDs covering the
same recordings (13/13/13/12 = 51 tracks). The track list seemed to be
basically the same but I didn't try to check every entry to see what was
different. My guess is that there's some difference in the inclusion of
alternate takes or "previously unreleased" material. Does anyone know for
sure?

Sound on the Capricorn set is pretty good. They went through "Sonic Solutions"
but didn't seem to do as much damage as some other cd transfers I've heard.
I'm not familiar with the original releases (or any other versions of these
recordings) so it's hard to tell.

The booklet that came with the Capricorn set implied that there are other
"Capricorn Presents" releases. Does anyone have info on these? Frankly,
I thought Capricorn was out of business (the last thing I bought from them
was a cut-out "White Witch" album about 15 years ago).

Andrew Charles
acgd@ihlpl.att.com
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From: lorne.murphy@rose.com (lorne murphy)
Subject: NEW BRAND X
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:28:43 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-31-92 03:17
Hello All

    Does anyone have the latest Brand X CD, XCommunication? How is it?
Does it compare to older Brand X releases, for example UNORTHODOX
BEHAVIOUR or MOROCCAN ROLL? I have all the old ones, but am hesitant to
get one without Phil Collins, although I have MASQUES, which is
Excellent!

Lorne
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From: ded@kps.UUCP (David Edwards /DP)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Miles and McLaughlin (was Re: Elliott New is giving me the blues)
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:29:38 GMT
Organization: Kuwait Petroleum, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Aug27.202247.2188@math.ucla.edu> gretsky@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Neil Edward Gretsky) writes:
+In article <1992Aug26.165558.21137@colorado.edu> tesar@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bruce Tesar) writes:
+>In article <1992Aug26.155852.13842@wam.umd.edu> peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent) writes:
+>>
+>>  Can anyone recommend a good Miles Davis album, with John Mcglauchlin(?) on
+>>guitar?  I've got a couple of John's albums, and i love 'em, and i would like
+>>to get into Miles Davis' work.
+>
+>    I hope that is what you are looking for; I don't think you will find
+>any Miles Davis records that sound much like Shakti (anyone out there that
+>could prove me wrong?).
+>
+Isn't the obvious (maybe too obvious) album to answer this question
+"Bitches Brew"?
+It's Miles with an all-star lineup, a groundbreaking transition to fusion,
+and John McLaughlin heavily in there.  

If I recall correctly from Miles autobiography, "In a Silent Way" is
the first album that McLaughlin appeared with Miles. It's a good album
too, perhaps overshadowed by the pure popularity of Bitches Brew.

David Edwards
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From: Fabrizio Sebastiani <fabrizio@iei.pi.cnr.it>
Subject: Keith Jarrett
Organization: Italian National Council of Research
X-Xxdate: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:00:03 GMT
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:56:13 GMT
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I am a necomer to this newsgroup, and a recent fan of Keith Jarrett.  I
would like to buy some more CDs by him, and I would like suggestions by
other people who appreciate his music.  I  particularly like his  "Koln
concert" and "Gurdjieff's sacred hymns" solo albums, together with his
"European quartet" recordings ("Nude ants", "My song", and, especially,
"Personal mountains"); I also like his "standards trio" stuff ("Tribute",
much more than "Changeless") while I am less inclined towards his
"American quartet" stuff (of which I know "Eyes of the heart", "Death and
the flower").  

Also, I would like to know opinions about his music from people out
there; in the past I have had a sensation that his stuff was much more
popular here in Europe than in Northern America, where I have even heard
some snobbish dismissal of him as "that European Caucasian Music
ambassador".

Fabrizio

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From: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Subject: dennis downey in new york
Reply-To: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Organization: interleaf, inc., waltham, ma, usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:24:41 GMT

some of you may recall that i posted about improvising epic
storyteller dennis downey's month of appearances in new york city
earlier in august.  well, he got a little write-up in the village
voice, in the Cameo's section, last week.  this does a much better job
of describing him than i did:

Speed Zen, you might call it.  That's what dennis Downey does.
Jumping out of his wooden chair, pacing backward and forward,
stuttering and stammering across disappeared Boston R's, he attempts
to tell the story of, well, everything.  His month-long project (Nada,
the Knot Room, One Dream, and the Nuyorican) is called The Upanishad
Room, a Zen-inflected Homeric myth for the media age.  With his face
splashed with flour or a glass of water balanced confidently atop his
head, he launches into his fractured take on the wrold's psyche with
the whirl of a guy who has too much to say and can't decide what
should come first.  Riffing on sex, Shakespeare, and the "deep memory
of our plant body," his ideas start and stop, spin and back up again.
Sometimes it works--the farrago of lit-crit, jokes, and Buddhism falls
together into a dreamy, curious monologue.  Sometimes it doesn't--and
Downey is left with stray fragments picked up and tossed aside like
wrong-color socks.  But you gotta love anyone who has a story called
"Aeschylus Hears a Who."  Implied in Downey's project is a grand
unity: that everything, in its way, is part of the same story, whether
it's Joyce, Commodore Perry, or word processors.  Together, his
optimism and sweet-natured wit lay down a pleasing satori jazz.
(Brian Parks)


funny, i've heard him four times, and never heard him "riff on sex."
whatever'll sell papers, i guess...  anyhow, he'll be in boston for
some performances in the fall.  i'll post when i know more.
-- 

/steve
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Zorn gets own record label
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:35:17


Yeah and from what Bruce @ DMG told me they're costing him $25 a
piece and one customer paid $35 each retail. I think I'll wait for
the used/cutout copies if ever. Sony ain't picking those DIW's up :-)

/sandeep
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From: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump)
Subject: Hannibal
Organization: Geography and Planning, University at Albany
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:53:13 GMT

On the latest Andrew Cyrille record (MY FRIEND LOUIS), Hannibal Marvin
Peterson is listed in the credits simply as Hannibal (full names are
given for everyone else).  The two compositions he contributed are also
credited simply to Hannibal.  On George Adams' OLD FEELING (issued last
year, I think), Hannibal's whole name is listed under personnel, but the
tune he contributed ("The Cry" -- a good one, too) is again credited
simply to Hannibal.  This is no big deal, but I'm curious to know if
anyone out there knows the story behind this -- is Hannibal to be known
by that name alone from here on out?
-- 
Roger W. Stump
University at Albany
rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu
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From: elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Elliott New)
Subject: Re: Best of Elmore James / Live Muddy Waters CDs sought
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 12:53:06 GMT

In article <5696@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> ewing@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (David Ewing) writes:
>Can anyone please recommend a "best of" CD of Elmore James?
>Noteworthy appears to offer two: "Dust My Broom" on Rhino and
>"Let's Cut It" on Virgin.  Does anyone out there have a preference
>between these two?  Are there any others that are superior?

The new Elmore James box set on Capricorn is great.  Two CDs for 
about 20 bucks.  Great liner notes.  Check that one out...

>Also, I am looking for a live Muddy Waters CD.  How are "At Newport"
>and "Mississippi Waters"?  Any others that are essential?

Newport is earlier stuff.  The other is toward the end, w/Johnny Winter.
Both are good.  Hell, I'm not sure there is bad Muddy.

One of my favorite live Muddy records is "Live At Mr. Kelly's".
Also, the live album of "Fathers and Sons" is superb.  ("Fathers
and Sons" is a double album, one live album, one studio album.)

Elliott New
From: ken@claris.com (Ken Walter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Howlin Wolf's Early Memphis Sessions
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:45:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Claris Corporation, Santa Clara CA

zieg@quads.uchicago.edu (Scott Ziegler) writes:


>	While in Tower Records (in Chicago) the other day, I came
>across two Howlin Wolf cd's claiming to be the sessions he recorded
>for Sun Studios (1950-51 ??). It was a two volume deal called
>something like _Memphis: The Early Years_. The cd's are made to look like
>the old Sun records (not that I've ever seen one). They are
>manufactured in West Germany. 
>	Has anyone ever heard these cd's?? Are they the real thing??
>How is the sound quality??
>	I ask because I have _Moanin in the Moonlight_ which has two
>songs from that era that are amazing (Monin' in the Moonlight and How
>Many More Years). I highly recommend this album to those who haven't
>heard it and like Chicago Blues.

I believe these are the Bear Family CD's called something like
"Memphis Days" Volume I and II.  These are the real thing, and
the best sound you are likely to find on this stuff.  Chess used
some of the digital masters from these volumes in the Howlin'
Wolf box.  The discography in Volume II is excellent.  
Portions of these sessions were also released on Charly,
Rounder, and Chess.

You might also enjoy the Ace (UK) CD of Howlin' Wolf's RPM/Modern
sessions from the same period.  Sorry, I can't remember the 
title. These were cut by the same band as the Sun sessions,
only this time they were recorded by Ike Turner and/or
the Bihari brothers in West Memphis while Sam Phillips was
cutting Wolf at Sun.  They are probably part of the reason Leonard
Chess got Wolf to move to Chicago.

Ken
ken@claris.com
From: buz@sdf.lonestar.org (Buz Overbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Buddy Rich Videos
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:49:11 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

Has anyone seen the video "Buddy Rich - London" and, if so, what do
you think?  It's available from World Music and is supposed to be a
concert he did in London, 1971.  About 39 minutes long.

Also, what other videos of his exist?

Many thanks,


-- 

Buz Overbeck
TLC Group
Dallas, Texas
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:17:14 -0400 
From: "Roy D. McKelvey" <rm0n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Butch Morris

Butch's name pops up here and again on this bboard, but 
always in relation to his work being recorded on someone
else's album. I've got several recordings with him as
part of a group or with his work on it, but have never 
heard one under his name. I've run into them in the Cadence 
listings, and once in a long while in local stores, but 
I've never decided to bite.

Anyone care to comment on the quality of these recordings?

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From: kamine@is.rice.edu (Jorge Hershel Kamine)
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert on Tonight Show!
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:03:05 GMT

In article <Sep01.062003.60445@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
>Herb Alpert was on the Tonight Show touting his new "jazz" (ahem ahem) 
>album (featuring strings of course).  He made one *MAJOR* mistake though. On
I may be bias because I actually enjoyed the performance, but I
did not get the impression that Herb Alpert was trying to "tout"
his album as jazz.  In fact, he made a point of prefacing the
performance by telling Jay that he felt he was a "closet jazz
musician," and that the tunes on the album were a collection of
tunes that had stuck in his mind over the years.  I wouldn't
exactly call "A Taste of Honey" a tune usually associated with
jazz.  I hope my post serves to add to your observations.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Info on Joe Lovano
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:45:34 GMT

JGATOWSK@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>I recently heard part of a recording by an artist whose name sounded like
>Joe Lovano. I think the disk was called "From the Soul" on Bluenote.

You got the names right.  The record is reviewed in the September
issue of Downbeat.

Lovano is an excellent musician, but I admit that I am more acquainted
with his work as part of the Paul Motian group.  Check the two amazing
ON BROADWAY volumes, the new IN TOKYO, etc.


--Gidi
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:43:15 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Bluenote Scrapbook

Has anyone seen the Blue Note Scrapbook? I call it such because it has many
featured artists from the 60s-70s era who recorded on Bluenote. What the book
has are pictures of different albums released by the artists.

I found a copy where I buy my CDs. The cost is 24.95. I haven't bought it yet.
I'm still debating if it's worth it. I may wind up buying anyway because you
get useful info about the recordings for special orders or whatever. Most of
the Blue Note stuff from that time period is out of print so knowing the info
on various albums could come in handy sometime.

Fred Rozenblad
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: UCPL078@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: Re: Elliott New is giving me the blues
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:18:52 CST

Anybody other than me notice the recent trend for white middle-class
people to kill someone they know, then blame it on "a couple of young
black boys".  I know of three off hand, so I know the republicans must
be very, very proud of their influence.
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