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From: cbp@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Pound)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Life/Housing at Rice
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:56:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I recently accepted an offer of admission from Rice's anthropology
department.  I'd appreciate any info from grad students there on 
housing availability or the "inside" perspective on getting a place
there.  How much can I expect to pay?  My stipend is reasonable;
I hope I will be able to afford a nice single somewhere.

Also, what's the policy on non-CIS students getting Internet access?
Any other information you can think to provide will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris Pound
(cbp@cis.ufl.edu)
From: rjgrace@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Loras College E-mail Address
Date: 11 Apr 92 08:15:23 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Does anyone know the E-Mail address for Loras College?

Thanx

-Jeff

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From: ravi@sgi.com (Ravi Chitturi)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Condominium for rent in Santa Clara, CA
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:34:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.



	CONDOMINIUM FOR RENT : Available from May 17th'92

	3BR - 2BATH (1400 sq.ft)

	Spacious and beautiful, former model, very quiet and secure complex
	with security gate.

	Microwave, Washer/Dryer, Wall to wall carpeting

	Swimming pool, sauna, recreation room.

	Near Kiely and El Camino intersection in Santa Clara.

	Interested parties, please call Ravi at (408)-243-2654(H)
						(415)-335-7182(W)
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From: khadiri@carrot.mcs.anl.gov (Moe El-Khadiri)
Subject: Anybody from Boulder Colorado ?
Reply-To: khadiri@carrot.mcs.anl.gov (Moe El-Khadiri)
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:14:56 GMT

I am looking for info about housing/living in Boulder Colorado. I'll be
going to UC next Fall. Any info. I would appreciate it.

Thank you in advance,

					--- Moe
From: SNOSZB@vm.sas.com
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: E-mail address: NYU CS
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:10:02 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

I need an e-mail address for the Courant Institute at NYU, specifically, for
Henry Massalin.  I'd appreciate it if someone could e-mail it to me.

Sanjeev Banerjia <snoszb@mvs.sas.com>
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From: farah@pluto.ral.rpi.edu (Jeffrey J. Farah)
Subject: Electronic Mail Addresses For Two Schools
Keywords: email addresses
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:58:15 GMT


Hi out there:

I've been trying to get the electronic mail addresses for the following two
schools.  I got one but every time I try to send mail there, I get bounced.

The schools are:  The Cooper Union School of Engineering  (Manhatten)
		  Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Bronx, NY)

Any help would be appreciated.

Please respond via email to : farah@sol.ral.rpi.edu


Thanks in advance,

Jeff Farah
From: zika@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Zika)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:53:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.213346.4511@ra.msstate.edu> wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke                                               the consummate chronic prevaricator) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.171003.18664@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>>kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
>>
>>Maybe not boast, but I've heard plenty of engineering students claim that
>>literature or the arts are unimportant.

Unfortunately, this happens (much too) often.

>>Also, there's certainly a prejudice that liberal arts majors are somehow
>>intrinsically easier than technical majors.

Any ideas out there on why the competition?  Are we talking about a
simple case of "I`m insecure about my knowledge, so I have to convince
everybody that there is somebody out there who must know less than I"
syndrome, or what?

>>Paul Callahan   
>
>	Which may be true in your case, but my friends sort of tell me
>all the time how difficult the humanities are compared to the sciences.

My personal feeling is that, in principle, all are equal in difficulty.
However, different approaches and thought patterns are required for
each discipline, e.g. an english literature major and a nuclear
engineer.

It has been my experience that (just about) everybody I speak to is
able to understand the fundamentals of both.  But, most people feel
much more "comfortable" discussing traditional liberal arts topics
than discussing technical topics. [Generalization: all disclaimers apply]

Could this be contributing to the my-major-is better-than-your-major
or am I just philosophising (sp?) needlessly?
-- 
                                     |
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Purdue University                    |    I'm still working on "how?" ! 
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From: khafagi@egr.msu.edu (Bassem K. Khafagi)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad,sci.engr.civil,soc.college,soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Foreign Students / Faculty
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:33:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Apr8.023303.7449
Reply-To: khafagi@egr.msu.edu (Bassem K. Khafagi)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: khafagi@frith.egr.msu.edu

I'm doing research on the "Influence of Foreign Students and Faculty on the
U.S Engineering (Industry & Education).  I need some feedback from Engineers, 
American students (Grad. & Under.), Faculty, and any interested person on the
following subject: (I will put my ideas in questions form)

PS. I will use "FE" to stand for "Foreign Students, Faculty, and/or Engineers"


* 1. Do you feel FE are assets or burden to the system

* 2. Do you beleive they discourage women or minorities from the eng. profession

* 3. Do they have any impact on the Salaries (for Faculty or Engineers)

* 4. How the system can benifit from their existence in the U.S.

* 5. For Students taught by Foreign Faculty or TA's, What is your feedback

* 6. Do they need more admin. work (Burden)

* 7. Do you have any thoughts or Ideas on the subject "not covered here"


*** PLEASE, e-Mail your comments since I don't read this news group. THNX....

Bassem
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From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:59:07 GMT

ac05@sol.acs.unt.edu (Bhattacharya Sumangala) writes:

>While I agree with you that much of scientific reasoning can be non-intuitive,
>this does not necessarily make it more taxing for the intellect.  My point
>was not to establish which is, in some sense, "superior"; rather, I hoped
>that both can and should be regarded equally.  This, however, is not the case.
>Since many of the posts agree that more and more humanities specialists are
>using technology in their fields, I must ask again why scientists & engineers
>feel that they must downplay the importance of humanities?

I agree with this sentiment.  One might say that the type of reasoning
needed for the humanities runs with the grain of how humans have naturally 
evolved to think, whereas mathematics runs against the grain.  However, viewed
from a purely objective level, it is clearly easier, for example, to integrate
x e^x dx and rigorously define the significance of such an operation, than
it is even to construct a mapping between the written symbols in a text
of _Hamlet_ and the intuitive notion of a story about a Danish prince. 
To evaluate its literary significance at any level is a whole order of
complexity greater. 

People also seem to be confusing the steepness of the initial learning curve
with the overall difficulty of an area.  A person who has only learned 
to read English is obviously better equipped to read Shakespeare than to read
an English translation of Euclid's Elements.  However, once one has *acquired*
the *language* of *mathematics*, it is clear that Euclid's intent is explicitly
contained in the work, and subject to ready interpretation.  Once one has
followed Euclid's proofs at the level of denotation, it would not be too
outrageous to claim a complete understanding of the work. I have yet to
hear anyone claim a complete understanding of Shakespeare.  On the other
hand, I imagine there are more people who claim that Euclid's proofs make
no sense to them at all than claim likewise for Shakespeare.

--
Paul Callahan       | "... the 'spineless prickly pear' ... this long-neglected 
callahan@cs.jhu.edu | gift of nature, which now promises to be of as great or 
                    | even greater value to the human race than the discovery 
BIFF WHERE ARE YOU? | of steam."                      -- Luther Burbank, 1911
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Too many scientists and engineers in US!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:33:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.191402.8686@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gjohn@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (George H. John) writes:
>
>Folks on this newsgroup have already discovered this phenomenon,
>but the rest of the world found out today in a story in the 
>Washington Post that was carried in several other major 
>newspapers.  
>
>US CALLED FLUSH WITH SCIENTISTS:
>Late 80's warning was false, experts say
>
>Washington Post
>
>	WASHINGTON -- The familiar claim that the United States faces
>a major shortage of scientists and engineers -- often cited by
>National Science Foundation officials when seeking budget increases --
>is false and was based on a seriously flawed foundation study, seven
>scientists, engineers, and governmnet officials told a congressional
>panel Wednesday.
>...
>Ph.D.'s earn $18,000 to $25,000
>
>In fact, witnesses told the hearing, the shortage that was to have
>begun a few years ago -- and which was to have left the United States
>with a "shortfall" of 675,000 scientists and engineers by 2010 --
>never materialized.  They said there is now such a surplus of
>scientists and engineers that unemployment rates in some disciplines
>far exceed those for the country as a whole and typical salaries for
>beginning Ph.D.'s in many fields are $18,000 to $25,000.
 ^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^
>...

If "beginning PhD" means the first job after receipt of degree,
then it includes a lot of post-docs, fellows, lecturers, and
assistant profs. at small schools.  These have always been low-paying
jobs.  Some professions traditionally start out very low, but
increase salary with experience.  For example, accountants at
big firms start out at slave wages, but the manager at a regional
office can make 250K.  Other professions start with a decent pay,
but you plateau very quickly.
  
>....
>House, of the foundation's Policy and Research Analysis Division, did
>the "shortage" study by calculating the average number of bachelor's
                                                           ^^^^^^^^
>degrees in science and engineering granted annually from 1984 through
>1986, which came to about 211,000 a year.  House told the subcommittee
>he assumed that 211,000 was the number of scientists and engineers
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that U.S. society would demand each year thereafter.
>...

I dont get the relationship among 1) PhDs 2) bachelors and
3) scientists and engineers.  It seems someone (either the jounalist
or the research analysis folks) was playing around with catagories
so that the story doesnt make much sense.



-- 
Jim Lacey          
my own opinions    
email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:17:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr13.191754.21615
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences

In article <1992Apr13.171003.18664@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
>
>>  While a large segment of the scientific/technical population are
>>not as "liberally" educated as they should be, I don't think too
>>many techies would boast to being ignorant of lit or the arts.  So
>>it seems the prejudice from the humanities is not returned.
>
>Maybe not boast, but I've heard plenty of engineering students claim that
>literature or the arts are unimportant.  Also, there's certainly a prejudice
>that liberal arts majors are somehow intrinsically easier than technical majors.
>

Actually, I think they are harder. I'm an electrical eng., but I took quite
a few LA courses, and not the easy engineering ones either, I mean the
toughest ones. And studying a detailed history of the reformation, or
the works of Shakespear, no matter in what depth, is a hell of a lot easier
then learning Foruier transforms!!

	Ed Hartnett
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From: kori@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kori Inkpen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Fairview Residence at UBC
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:17:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

I was wondering if anyone knew what the Fairview residence was like at UBC.

Thanks

Kori
(kori@ug.cs.dal.ca)
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From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Reply-To: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu.UUCP (John Rickert)
Organization: Mathematics, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:15:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.213346.4511@ra.msstate.edu> wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke the consummate chronic prevaricator) writes:  >In
article <1992Apr13.171003.18664@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>>kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: 
>> 
>>Maybe not boast, but I've heard plenty of engineering students claim that 
>>literature orthe arts are unimportant.  Also, there's certainly a prejudice 
>>that liberal arts majors are somehow intrinsically easier than technical
>>majors. 
>>Paul Callahan    
> >	Which may be true in your case, but my friends sort of tell me 
>all the time how difficult the humanities are compared to the sciences.


   To a greater or lesser extent, difficulty is conditioned on the
individual and on the demands of the particular subject.  Philosophy
students I've known, for example, are expected to be proficient in
analyzing and developing lengthy arguments, articulating distinctions,
and interpreting at least some of the history of philosophy.  The
English students I've known, on the other hand, are expected to have a
wide knowledge of the literature and a good command of a particular
author or period.  These, as I say, are just rough examples.

   It depends on how far you want or are willing to go. Each of the
humanities can require many long years of study in order to be
reasonably competent.  It takes a lot of work to become well-read in
philosophy because there is a lot to read.  In addition, some of the
humanities take in effect a whole lifetime to master.  If I may say so,
I think this is true at least of Classics.  It is one thing to know the
languages, but it takes many years of work, experience, and reflection
to become a real master.

   It's quite possible, then, that a student of science may find one of
the humanities materially less difficult (say, for example, because
there is less to memorize and no technical mathematics), but material
competence, for some humanities students, is only the beginning,
anyway.  



John Rickert					One sparrow does not
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu		make a spring.
							-- Aristotle
From: millerj@lambda.ecn.purdue.edu (Snide Pucker)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:15:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue Univ. School of Nuclear Engineering

In article <1992Apr14.032047.27956@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
#>
#>  Try attending a senior
#>level course in an engineering course and a liberal arts course.
#>Chances are (unless you select some philosophy course) you'll be able
#>to understand about halh of what's going on in a liberal arts course
#>and none of what's going on in an engineering course.

   Engineers seem to take a sick pride in having a firm grasp on terminology
   that no one else can understand.  The flagrant abuse of techno-jargon
   means that the rest of the "ignorant world" can blunder in the dark while
   engineers spout such combobulations as

      "By linearising the higher-order expansions to the interfacial wave 
       perturbations, significant downscaling of the time-stepping is achieved."

   Indeed.  Makes perfect sense to me (it had better, it's in my field)


   There seems to be a belief that spouting techno-jargon translates to an
   understanding of the field (e.g. using buzzwords or catch-phrases).
   I consider it another way engineers distance themselves from the public.
   I don't trust lawyers for the same reason, too much reliance on cryptic
   phrasing and terminology.  

   I believe the true test of understanding is to explain it to someone who
   hasn't the foggiest idea of what you are talking about (i.e. zero background).
   Kinda like teaching a class....=)


#>  A lot of what the humanities teaches you, from a practical
#>point of view, is the abiity to organize your arguments effectively.

   Indeed, which is why so many engineers who take the fast track through
   college are incomprehensible.  
--
   Jerry W. Miller                   #   "Opinions?  Of course they
   millerj@gn.ecn.purdue.edu         #    are mine, do YOU want them?"
   Purdue University School of Nuclear Engineering
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From: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul)
Subject: U of I Champaign
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:54:41 GMT

Does anyone have information on U of I Champaign campus's Adv.
Certificate Program in HRD/CE starting this fall as a cohort in
Oakbrook, IL?  Do they have a Ph.D in this same major?  Who can I
contact for more information?



Melody

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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:23:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.061535.26424@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> millerj@lambda.ecn.purdue.edu (Snide Pucker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.032047.27956@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>#>
>   Engineers seem to take a sick pride in having a firm grasp on terminology
>   that no one else can understand.  The flagrant abuse of techno-jargon
>   means that the rest of the "ignorant world" can blunder in the dark while
>   engineers spout such combobulations as
>
>      "By linearising the higher-order expansions to the interfacial wave 
>       perturbations, significant downscaling of the time-stepping is achieved."
   is isn't just engineers. I think it is a condition of elite human being --
bureaucrats, lawyers, academics of all sorts (not to mention the military). The
reasons for cluttered words range from political motives (witness the whole PC
controversy) to a desire to impress, a desire to imitate others, and social
pressures.  One example from my field. If you ask a political scientist what
they study, they may say something like "Oh, I'm interested in mass-elite       linkages in the midst of regime transition." How's that for confusion? I don't
study that part of political science, but i think a rough translation is this:
"I'm interested in why people think the way they do about political leaders
especially when the country is moving from a dictatorship to a democracy."
Well, that's one translation. The statement could mean many things. One
word in defense of obfuscation -- sometimes an apparently dense word
is a shorthand for well understood concepts that would take a long time to
say in plain language


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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 08:07:57 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@coke.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Apr14.043115.19464@cs.brown.edu>, dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.032047.27956@eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>|> 
>|>    Let me go out on a limb and say that I tend to believe that engineering
>|> courses or those courses of a technical matter tend to be easier than
>|> liberal arts courses.  Why do I think that?  Try attending a senior
>|> level course in an engineering course and a liberal arts course.
>|> Chances are (unless you select some philosophy course) you'll be able
>|> to understand about halh of what's going on in a liberal arts course
>|> and none of what's going on in an engineering course.
>|> 
>[much deleted, including big .sig]
>
>Is it just a natural tendency to begin claims on this group with a
>contradictory statement?  Charles' first statement basically claims
>TECHNICAL is easier than LIBERAL ARTS, but then the entire rest of
>the post supports the opposite opinion.  Perhaps this was just a slip
>of logic (or a mental typo) but I recall someone just recently doing
>the same thing... make one claim, then support the other.
>
>I basically agree with Charles' reasoning (being a CS major), but just
>this weren't so damn ironic.  An engineer (I assume) is trying to explain
>why technical courses are harder than LA courses, and gets his wording
>and logic twisted!  Oh the justice of it all... :-}
>

    Of course this always happens.  Whenever you're trying to make a point
like I am, something is bound to screw up.   Yes, I meant to switch the
two around.   Replace "easier" with "harder".  Just like the person
who misspelled(sp?) Fourier and Shakespeare.

    Hey, it's only one sentence!!!

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