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From: eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: Interesting (?) System to take advantage of winning streaks
Organization: UCLA Honors and Undergraduate Programs
Distribution: world,local
Date: 25 Dec 92 16:42:35 PST

In article <21DEC199214054605@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu> venkataraman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman) writes:
>You start out with one unit. If you win the first hand then you play the 
>next hand with one unit. Now if you win this hand then you go ahead and 
>increase your bet by one unit.  If you win this hand too, then you 
>increase your bet by another unit and so on.  His argument (with me since I 
>was the only one not convinced, I am still not,) was that using his system 
>you are trying to take advantage of the winning streaks when they happen.  
>The stopping point using his system was a loss. 
>
The basic underlying assumption of any "betting sequence" system is that the 
results of past trials influence future outcomes.  This kind of system is 
usually hawked for craps, those little die are assumed to have a fabulous 
memory.  In a game like craps where there is obvious independence (barring 
crooked dice, etc) between trials this type of system is pointless.  In BJ 
however where it is the effect of past trials (cards gone from the deck)
which makes the game beatable in the first place, this type of system is not 
no easily thrown out.  However, if you think about winning hands in BJ you'
ll probably imagine hands with large negative counts.  More often then not, 
a win in BJ probably indicates a smaller probability of a successive win.  
Consider a hand with a pair of aces, clearly the liklihood of a bj on the 
next hand is dramatically reduced.  When you adjust your bets according to a 
card counting scheme you are essentially forming an approximation to an 
optimal "betting sequence" system.  So forget that guys system.  It does 
sound like great cover though, I would have been pushing for bigger and 
bigger betting ratios.  I will admit that the runs of good, and bad luck 
are far more memorable than the much more common switching between win and 
loss. 
________________________
Eric J. Splaver
eric@hup.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2768
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From: messiah@nevada.edu (mw)
Subject: Re: Recent AC trip
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:06:04 GMT

In article <103011@netnews.upenn.edu> mchi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael M Chi) writes:
>
>Yeah, about the dealer messing up a few times within a matter of 2-3 
>mintues.......  It happened to a friend of mine, too.  He was playing
>blackjack, and the dealer took his cards and chips although he had
>won with a 20.  Then, maybe 5 hands later, she gave him chips although
>he had lost with a 22.  Think that maybe she realized her mistake and
>tried to make it up to him??????
>
>Mike

Well maybe but I doubt it. The few odd times or so that I've been paid
on a losing BJ hand I think the dealer was totally oblivious to the fact.
I'm talking about veteran dealers too. I suspect that they are looking at
another hand and taking/paying a different one when they do something like
that. It makes perfect sense from their angle, they just don't have the
right hand with the right bet, but to the player (who only has to worry
about one (maybe two) hands at a time) it looks moronic. 

In anycase I can usually find it within my heart to forgive the dealer for
making such a mistake (of course, I DO yell bloody murder if its not in my
favour :-) ). C-ya guys...

 
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From: venkataraman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: REQUEST: Order (of importance) of strategy variations
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


A while ago there was a posting (and a discussion) of strategy variations that
were more important than others.  I think these variations were for the Hi-Opt1
strategy.  Could someone please repost them ? 


Thanks, 
-ramesh
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From: rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Roy Dictus)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Turning $96 into $70,000
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:48:15 GMT

This is not a gamble, really.  If you would be interested in turning
$96 of your money into $68,000 (and not just once but as many times
as you'd like), drop me a line for details.

The way to do this is a European financial game called Joker '88.
The way it works, in broad terms, is this:

You would buy a Joker '88 certificate for around $32. On this certi-
ficate are seven names: the name of the person who sold you the certi-
ficate (on the seventh position), the name of the person who sold it
to him/her (on the sixth), and so on.  You would pay, by bank, $32 to
the person on position 1 (his bank account number is printed there,
too).  The third $32 goes to the German company who organizes and con-
trols the system.  In return for your proof of payment to Person #1
and your $32, they will send you 3 certificates to sell on -- for $32
each.  So your investment is returned as soon as you are able to sell
these three certificates.  Your clients will in turn sell 3 each, their
clients will each sell 3, and so forth.  In the end run, seven genera-
tions later, 3x3x3x3x3x3x3 = 2,187 people will pay you (since you're
#1 now) $32 each, for a total of $69,984.

And yes, you guessed it -- I'm selling these certificates.  You can,
too.  I've sold six already and I am always looking for more buyers who
want to make a lot of money too!  For each #96 you invest, you reap a
$70,000 profit -- IF you can sell your certificates.

Send me a note if you're interested, I will send you more information
so you can check the integrity of the system for yourself.  You will
conclude that there are no catches and that this is a great way of
making money!!

-Roy D., rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be
 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kylee@eskimo.com (K.Y. Lee)
Subject: Hold'm software
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:48:36 GMT

Does anyone out there know of good hold'm software?  

thanks in advance.

kylee@eskimo.com
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:54:43 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

tahajian@aries.East.Sun.COM (David Tahajian - Sun BOS Software) writes:

}Unfortunatly, the "call $x" command will "call any bet up to $x,
}fold otherwise" (from the Email doc). Depending on how much is in
}the pot, my hole cards, who made the raise, how many calls/re-raises
}there are, and so on, I may not want to "fold otherwise". I almost
}*always* want to have the option of either calling or re-raising,
}thus I personally never use the "call $x" command just for that reason.

I agree completely, which is why months ago I suggested to Ron a new
advance betting command that looks just like "CALL $X", but instead
of folding if the bet is greater than X, it kicks it back to you so you
can then decide what you want to do.  I know that in my case, there were
many times when I knew that I'd be willing to call, say anything up to
$500, and in fact, when it came to me the call was $500.  So I could have
speeded things up with an advance CALL, but I couldn't use it because
I didn't want to risk getting folded if the call to me was $600.

A small addition to my suggested command just occurred to me.  How about
something like this:

CALL2 $x $y

Which means that if the bet is x or less, call it; if it is y or greater,
fold; if it is inbetween, kick it back and let me decide.  This should
be much simpler to add than the previously suggested "if" statements,
yet it still provides what I think is some much needed flexibility
in the advance betting commands.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: messiah@nevada.edu (mw)
Subject: Poker players that rathole chips
Originator: messiah@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:17:32 GMT

I've been playing a lot of small stakes Hold 'em lately (Xmas break
and all that y'know :-) ) and the one thing that I keep noticing 
repeatedly is that people will take chips (usually quarters) off the
table and the dealer either does not see it or does not enforce the
"table stakes" rule.

Now I realize some of you are probably saying "Who cares about a couple
of quarters?" but in the course of a few hours at small stakes Hold 'em
one can easily accumulate say 10 to 20+ bucks worth of quarters all of
which gradually gets ratholed. If one considers the effect of this from
two or more players then it starts to get somewhat significant. I've seen
it done with red chips and even the occasional green chip that may have
found itself into the small stakes game (for the non-Vegas inclined:
red = $5, green = $25 :-) ).

Anyway so far I've just let it slide because if I call people on it as
often as I notice it then the house will start to think I'm a pain in the
ass, even if it is a house rule I'm trying to get enforced. Besides, I know
that if someone has enough chips to rathole then they won't come up short
for the next few pots or so. So perhaps its just annoying, but I'd like
to see the house (purposely left anonymous) act with more enthousiasm in
enforcing this rule.

I was wondering what other people may or may not have done in similar
situations? I suspect that most people would suggest mentioning something
to the floor-manager who would in all likelihood be sympathetic to the
issue but who is at the same time is not in a position to monitor details.
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Info on Vegas travel wanted.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 22:12:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Hi All,
>
>On a whim, I was thinking about visiting Las Vegas the week of January
>4th. Does anyone have any information on cheap air fares, lodging, etc?
>-- 
>USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
>E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 

Make note, Winter CES (Consumer Electronics Show) runs 
Jan 7-10 in Vegas, the end of the week you plan to go. During CES,
typical $20 hotel rooms will be $100. Table stakes go up everywhere.
Parking becomes impossible. Traffic gets horrible. Ah the fun
of convention time in Vegas. 

If you're not going for CES you may wish to consider getting out
of town before the 7th or not getting there till after the 10th. 
Then again, CES is a blast. Electronics gizmo heaven.

Harv
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Day plane trips to Atlantic City
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:18:55 GMT


	Does anyone on the east coast know about day trips to AC?

	Who's doing them?

	Trump used to out of Logan.

	But I'd like to go out of Manchester N.H., if available.

	Who is offering these lately?

	Thanks


	alan


-- 
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	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:32:12 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

This week's NFL schedule doesn't offer much prospects, but the college
bowl season is upon us.


*   Fresno State + 8  over  USC
*** Air Force    + 8  over  Ole' Miss
**  Alabama      + 8  over  Miami


Last Week : No Selections

The week before that : 0-1 -2.2 Units

Season 36-21 +11.4 Units


(Recommended money management would be to play %1-%1.5 of a mythical 
bankroll per star.) 
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From: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: INFO ON VEGAS TRAVEL WANT
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 

-> On a whim, I was thinking about visiting Las Vegas the week of
-> January 4th. Does anyone have any information on cheap air fares,
-> lodging, etc? --

Forget it, that's Consumer Electronics Show (CES) week, busy as COMDEX,
all rooms sold out, prices $90 and up.  The show starts on Wednesday,
ends on Sunday Jan 10th.  If you can go a week later (from the 10th.
onwards) you'll have much better luck.  I like staying at the Stardust
(New tower or East tower, but NOT motel rooms), or Excalibur, or Circus
Sky Tower (I think that's what they are called) rooms (no bath only
shower in Circus tower, but very nice rooms).  All these hotels are
pretty reasonable rates, but read other mail here for where to gamble.
Have fun.
                                         
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Hold'm software
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:10:39 GMT

kylee@eskimo.com (K.Y. Lee) writes:

> Does anyone out there know of good hold'm software?  
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
> kylee@eskimo.com
> 

No

s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Subject: Re: Day plane trips to Atlantic City
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:28:06 GMT



In article <1992Dec30.141855.15374@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes...
> 
>	Does anyone on the east coast know about day trips to AC?
> 
>	Who's doing them?
> 
>	Trump used to out of Logan.
> 
>	But I'd like to go out of Manchester N.H., if available.
> 
>	Who is offering these lately?

Try Charter One at 800-772-7117.

I have no connection with them other than being an occasional customer.

-- --
 Dave C.                          cantor@star.enet.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corp., Nashua, NH  03062, USA
  The views expressed herein are my own, except where attributed to 
  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility 
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Trip Highlights
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:59:54 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <1992Dec23.103406.4502@sei.cmu.edu> weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock) writes:
>- Seven card stud at the Mirage: get a 7 and a K down, and a 7 up (with a
>  third 7 visible on the board).  Catch a second K at fourth street, the case
>  7 at fifth street (7's full of K's), the third K at sixth street (K's full
>  of 7's) and the case K at seventh street (4 K's!)  *And* I was able to get
>  at least one player to bet along with me the whole way (with her measly
>  flush made in the first 5 cards).

If she was big and mean and left to go play in the $10-20 game,
then good.

>- Paying a $3.00 hotel bill at the Flamingo Hilton, and a $1.00 hotel bill at
>  Harrah's.

Only four room-service shrimp cocktails the whole trip?

				--Blair
				  "What is this hobby coming to?"
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: World Series of Poker Adventure
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:01:16 EST


The World Series of Poker Adventure is a role playing game for the IBM PC
running at least DOS 3.1, with EGA or better graphics and a mouse.  The
scenario is that you arrive in Las Vegas with a stake of $5,000 and are there
to try to enter the World Series of Poker at Binon's Horseshoe.  To do this
you have to double your stake, which can be done playing slots, video poker,
blackjack, or live poker (Omaha, Hold'em and 7 Stud).

The poker simulation, especially, is impressive.  Sklansky and Malmuth were
consultants and the play is realistic and it is a difficult game to beat.
It's also addictive.

There are extensive impressive graphics and lots of nooks and cranies to
explore.

I've been in contact with the publisher and am able to offer the World Series
of Poker Adventure at a discount to rec.gamblers.  Contact me for details.



Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
From: hashimoto@sgi.com (Roy Hashimoto)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: hold'em trivia
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:38:40 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sideout.asd.sgi.com

In article <1hekhtINN3s7@agate.berkeley.edu> jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin) writes:
>JT is better than AK for straight possibilities. But of course
>AK is the better hand overall. 

This might depend on the game that you play in.  Heads up, AK has a huge
advantage over JT, as you would expect.  But in a multi-way pot where the
winning hand will probably be two pair or better, the straight potential
allows JT to catch up quickly.

If the winning hand is restricted to be two pair or better, my results
(disclaimer: subject to error and/or misinterpretation) show that AK has
less than a one percent edge on JT (if the suits don't overlap).  At trips
or better, JT comes out with close to a twenty percent advantage.

So if you play in a particularly loose game where everyone stays in to see
the flop regardless of raises, JT will probably at least hold its own.
This kind of game seems to be common in California at the low-limit tables.

Roy Hashimoto
hashimoto@sgi.com
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:18:38 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Selections for the Holiday Weekend


 *** Air Force + 8  over Ole'Miss
 **  Alabama   + 8  over Miami
 **  Texas A&M + 5  over Notre Dame
 *   BUFFALO   - 3  over Houston
 *   Eagles    + 3- over NEW ORLEANS




Last Selection : Fresno State + 8 over USC (Won 24-7)

Season:  37-21 + 12.4 Units
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From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Taxes: deducting gambling losses against winnings?
Keywords: IRS gambling
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.032707.8801@cbnewse.cb.att.com> kvk@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Kevin) writes:
>He and I agree that in theory you can offset gambling income by deducting
>gambling losses up to the amount of your winnings. He says though that saving
>your losing betting tickets from the track, even if you staple them to the
>day's program, are not recognized by the IRS as proof of gambling losses,
>that in effect there is NO allowable way to document gambling losses from
>the racetrack.

I just heard Phil Storer (professor of taxation at Cal State Hayward) discuss
this issue on KGO radio a couple of weeks ago. You CAN deduct gambling losses
to the extent of gambling winnings.  In the case of horse racing, I would
suggest keeping the stubs, and a diary would probably also be good.  Mr.
Storer spoke of a tax case where deductions were disallowed by the tax 
courts even though the taxpayer had kept old stubs (probably why your
brother thinks these aren't any good).  The catch was that ALL of the stubs
showed that he had lost money EVERY time gambled except for the times
when he had to file a W2.  The court ruled that this simply wasn't believable
(I agree with them).  So if you are going to do this, you are going to have
to claim income in addition to what you have on your W2.  Also remember,
you don't have to show this "proof" to anyone unless you get audited.

Guido
From: jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: WRGPT II Rules change, anyone?
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:15:50 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

tahajian@aries.East.Sun.COM (David Tahajian - Sun BOS Software) writes:
> In article <18193@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
> >
> >Conversely I'd like to see a way to force players to speed up who
> >continually take a long time to bet BUT don't time-out.  For example,
> >there are several players at my table who have repeatedly caused lengthy
> >delay only to fold, and I'm sure in most of these cases an advance bet
> >could have been made.  Getting several such players in one pot means it
> >takes forever to complete.  Hence the slow tables.

> Come on now... are you really saying that you've never made an advance
> bet only to have it bounce back to you when someone raises?
> For example, the bet starts at $500, and you send a "make $500" advance
> bet and go home for the day, thinking that you were a good guy by speeding
> up the game with your advance bet. Someone else raises, and you come in the 
> next day, only to find your advance bet was "insufficient". You then decide 
> to fold. The other players may see you doing a "big delay and fold", but 
> they have no idea that you even made an advance bet to begin with. 
> See my point?

Yes I see your point.  But if, as you say, the bet had been started
at $500 couldn't you just send in the bet "call $500" in most of these
situations?  "call $500" accomplishes the same result that you
described and doesn't cause a delay.

For the sake of argument, let's say it started at $100.  You want to
make it $500 and, as in your example, fold if a larger bet has been made
in front of you.  Now, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the
plain-old "$500" command do that? I.e., it'll make the bet $500 or fold
if insufficient?  If it doesn't maybe it should work that way.

Aside:

Some of you may want to make your decisions based upon the pot odds
which you can't determine until its your turn.  Perhaps the addition
of a variable which holds the current value of the pot can be provided.
Then (after tons of hard work to code in the new feature :-)) you could
send in the advanced command

    if ( $pot > $5000 ) { call $1000 } else { call $500 };

I'm sure we could come up with a simple language to allow us to express
all the kinds of decisions we need to make when deciding how to act.
Like, who has acted before us?  Who raised?  Etc...

I like the concept.  I just don't know how practical it is.  Errors in
advanced messages would be much more common and maybe it'll slow up the game
even more.  I'm sure the guys who wrote the WRGPT program have thought
about providing such features and wisely decided to forget about it.

But who knows, maybe it could work if it was done right...

James.

P.S.  I hope I'm putting the folks at my table on tilt with my bitching
about the slow play.  Come on, come on... come and get me!  :-)