From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Conference, Sino-Tibetan Relations: Prospects for the future
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 05:55:31 GMT

In article <BvGBzw.L30@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:
>In article 1505 phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng) writes:
>>I feel more comfortable to see that self-determination of local people
>>is not recongonised by most of the Western countries, such as USA, UK,
>>Australia,.....(Canada may or may not be an exception).  The Chinese
>>government is doing as good or as bad as most of the Western countryies
>>in treating the similar problems.
> 
>The rights to self-determination have been recognized more and more
>around the world.  Canada is not the only one.  The split of 
>Czechoslavakia into the Czech and Slovak republics is an 
>excellent, recent, example.  So is the new found self-determination 
>of the former Soviet republics.  

The key is there are so many people in Western countries tell people in
developing countries, such as China, Czechoslavakia, Former Soviet
Union etc., about the right to self determination, but this right is not
quaranteed in most of the Western countries.  You can not find
the law which protest local people to have the right in most of the
Western countries.  To tell Chinese about the right to self-
determination is only a game of cheating.    Even majority of
people in Western countries do not accept the idea of the right
to self-determination.

>>>Why not let each province and autonomous region decide in the same 
>>>way Canada is deciding?  Are you afraid of the results?
>>I am not happy about the way of making the decision concernning the
>>future of a country.
>I know.  Most people in the dominant position are uncomfortable with 
>any process which may lead to the giving up of powers to a minority.  
>Canadians too are uncomfortable.

Why should China learn from Canada instead of Great Britain, Australia,
USA, Japan, Germany and Franch etc.?  

>>>Shall I go to China?  
>>There you can go is your bussiness.  But you have not answered my question
>>yet.  Should all Canadians except for the aboriginal leave Canada and
>>leave the whole Canada back to the original owers of the land?
> 
>We may have to leave the areas returned back to the aborigines.  But 
>funnily enough, there hasn't been a mass exodus so far from lands 
>already given back.  I guess the aborigines like and trust "whitemen"
>now.

Would you please copy the text of the law for which you think it can
quarantee the aborigines to have the right to get back the land and show
the resource for the information.  The aborigines have only the right
which is quaranteed by law and they can not gotten any quarantee from
your words.

>>There is no clear boundary between a small land and a big land.  The
>>British government also used troops to keep the land 'Northern Ireland'
>>as similar as the Chinese government did for keeping Tibet.
> 
>Boundaries can be drawn.  It's not a supernatural trick. 

Tell me your opinions about the British government used troops to keep
the land 'Northern Ireland'.  Why don't you teach people of UK the right
to self-determination?  Should I call you a racist?

>>The aboriginal are expecting the right of deciding for themself from the
>>Canadian government.  The answer is still not known.
> 
>It is already happening.  It is fait accompli in some local areas. 
>When can the Tibetans expect their land back?

Show your evidence.  Tell me what law can let the aborigines have the
right.  Tell me where is the law recorded, including name of the book
and page number etc.  I doubt you are sending blank cheques here.

>>The Tibetans in Tibet share the same right as the same as other parts of
>>citizens of PRC.  The Chinese government is also trying to negotiate
>>with them.  After another 50 years, a common negotiation will be
>>reached.
> 
>Why 50 years?  Will it take that long to extract the uranium, gold, 
>timber, etc. out of Tibet?

After 50 years, there will be no voice for the self-determination.  How
many years for Canada, USA and Australia have been spent for cooling
down the voice?  

Chinese have many to learn from people in Western countries
including the way of cheating.

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