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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:24:00 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: 1993 NASCAR Yearbook/Pressguide

  I spoke with the local distributor yesterday and was told they
 have just received this years issue. If you've been looking for
 one as I have, you might start looking for them to appear on
 magazine racks later this week. They were $7.50 last year. If
 you follow NASCAR racing it has most any info you would want,
 including driver/team information and full stats from last year.


                                                     Mike
From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Historical Question
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:14:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I don't know when the rule came into effect, but all Formula One 
teams must be a 'manufacturer.'  In other words, the team must
produce its own cars and label them as such.  The problem that
Larousse had was that Lola made the cars, but he-officially- 
called them Larousse-Lamborghinis instead of Lola-Lamborghinis.
Kinda obscure, eh?
 
-- 
Brian Wilson (not from the Beach Boys)          ROLL TIDE!
 
"How come two wrongs don't make a right, yet three lefts do?"
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From: dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz)
Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Westfield, Massachusetts
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:53:43 GMT


In article <deanb.727544057@pecan10>, deanb@cray.com (Dean Barker) writes...

>WORLD OF OUTLAWS/COPENHAGEN-SKOAL SHOOTOUT 1993 Racing Schedule
>DATE            TRACK                           CITY
>October 1,2     Williams Grove Nationals        Mechanicsburg, PA
>  8,9           NY State Fair Speedway          Syracuse, NY

I've been thinking about going to the Syracuse show for the last few years.
This year I think I will...Can anyone give me the phone number for that
track? 

Thanks...
-- 
             {decvax, ucbvax, allegra}!decwrl!wfooff.enet!dobosz_m
             dobosz_m%wfooff.enet@decwrl.dec.com 
             dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com               DoD # 0596
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From: mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: F1 Historical Question
Reply-To: mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:42:30 GMT

This is just an educated guess, but I think that the economy and the
looming oil crisis might have something to do with the disappearance
of the privateers.  However, some did remain as was evidenced by the
continual existence of March Engineering.  In fact, you might consi-
der Frank Williams to be a privateer in the early years since he ran
Marches and I believe Wolfs also as a non-factory team.  Then there
was the introduction in the latter part of the 70's of the Aurora
AFX series that used ex-F1 machines (by the way I am looking for photos
of some of those cars.  Anybody out there have some they would like to
sell to me?)

Unfortunately cost now a days would prevent any sort of re-emergence of
the privateer, in my own opinion.  That plus FISA's somewhat snobbish
attitude and ridiculous pricing to buy into F1.  Remember, once upon a
time someone could drive 2 or 3 races in one season to "test the waters".
FISA's regs do not allow that sort of thing now.

But that's getting somewhat off the point.  If you want privateers in
open wheel racing, then try F3000 or IndyCars for upper division racing.
Or go down to your local club races on the weekends.
Kent M. McClure
Auto racing afficionado and member of San
Jose IPMS chapter.
My views are what they are, like them or not.
Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:13601 rec.autos:32344
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Motorsport computer games
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:59:46 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <107631@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>Does anyone know of any good (as in REALISTIC) driving games that run on a
>Macintosh or Atari computer? How about on Nintendo or Super Nintendo?

Ptui!  Get a real board game.  Waddington's Formula 1 is perhaps the 
greatest game ever made.  Unfortunately they stopped making it, and I don't 
know if they ever exported it to the USA.  Avalon Hill's Speed Circuit is 
nearly as good.  DO NOT get MB's Turbo or Waddington's Grand Prix.
                           
            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Jaguar may boycott Le Mans
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:34:16 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

Extract from BBC CEEFAX

 Jaguar have threatened to boycott   
 the Le Mans 24-hour race in June    
 unless their new XJ220 supercar can 
 compete on level terms.             
                                     
 The manufacturers' chairman Nick    
 Steele is unhappy that their team   
 have not been told of regulations   
 for the race - even though it is    
 only five months away.              
                                     
 Steele is also prepared to set up a 
 rival set of races in Europe which  
 would pit his cars against Porsche, 
 Ferrari, Bugatti and Lamborghini.   
                                     
 Jaguar have won Le Mans seven       
 times, most recently in 1990.       

---Andrew



   Information Systems Group    EMail:     apayton@acorn.co.uk
   Acorn Computers Ltd          Telephone: +44 223 254254
   

   "We're going to have to get pretty low to land this one!"

    --Ted Striker Airplane II
From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: More from Estoril (Tuesday's Testing)
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:32:58 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

More from BBC CEEFAX

     MOTOR RACING: FORMULA    
     ONE TESTING, Estoril     

 Tuesday's leading lap times:           
                               mins secs
 Morning session:                       
 1 A Prost      Fr  Williams   1:13.55  
 2 M Schumacher Ger Benetton   1:13.92  
 3 D Hill       GB  Williams   1:14.05  
 4 K Wendlinger Aut Sauber     1:17.11  
 5 R B'chello   Brz Jordan     1:17.44  
 6 JJ Lehto     Fin Sauber     1:18.62  
                                        
 Afternoon session:                     
 1 D Hill       GB  Williams   1:14.00  
 2 A Prost      Fr  Williams   1:15.24  
 3 JJ Lehto     Fin Sauber     1:16.80  
 4 J Herbert    GB  Lotus      1:17.69  
 5 K Wendlinger Aut Sauber     1:18.69  
 6 R B'chello   Brz Jordan     1:18.90  
 
     M/RACING: DONNELLY TO    
     DRIVE F1 CAR   

 Martin Donnelly is to drive a       
 Formula One car for the first time  
 since his horrific crash in Spain   
 two years ago.                      
                                     
 The 28-year-old Ulsterman will      
 take the wheel of a Sasol Jordan    
 at Silverstone on Thursday.         
                                     
 Donnelly suffered horrendous        
 injuries when his car careered off  
 the track during practice for the   
 1990 Spanish Grand Prix in Jerez.   
                                     
 He said: "I've worked hard towards  
 getting in shape for this and now I 
 feel ready to meet the challenge."  

---Andrew



   Information Systems Group    EMail:     apayton@acorn.co.uk
   Acorn Computers Ltd          Telephone: +44 223 254254
   

   "We're going to have to get pretty low to land this one!"

    --Ted Striker Airplane II
From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: William / FISA mess
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:49:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Has anyone considered the possibility of FISA conveniently
misplacing the Williams application?  I just cannot believe that
a multi-million dollar a year GP team would even come close
to 'forgetting' to apply for the '93 championship!
 
This could be a way to require the team to throw away some toys
it has (active suspension, traction control, launch system).
I am a fan of both Prost and Hill, but I would like to bring 
the Williams cars as well as their coming-up rivals down from
clouds of insanity of $ expenditures.  It sure would make the
racing closer!
 
Just my penny's worth (I'm trying to save, you know!)
 
-- 
Brian Wilson (not from the Beach Boys)          ROLL TIDE!
 
"How come two wrongs don't make a right, yet three lefts do?"
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From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Racers vs Race Fans
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:07:41 GMT

	OK, here's my stats...

Started last season, setting up a Datsun 510 sedan for
Improved Touring (road racing's entry level class, unless
you consider Showroom stock an entry level class).  Last
year consisted of a large expenditure of $$$ to get the
car safe and legal, along with personal safety equipment.
Autopower Roll bar, nomex suit/underware, 6 point harness,
fire extinguisher.  A few things were done to the suspension
but not much as most of the budget was blown on the safety
stuf.  New sway bars, front and rear, cut a coil off of
each spring, T/C kit and delrin front bushings.  

I ran half of the Midwestern Council season, faster than
another 510 and a LeCar, but trailing better prepared 
Fiestas and the class champion Rabbit.  I'm currently helping
a friend set up his Mustang GT for Improved touring, and will soon
getting ready to take my car apart and do some real suspension
work: Race coil-over springs in front, camber plates, spherical
bearing bushings (allows for mongo caster) front and rear, slotted
rear crossmember (allows for alignment of the semi-trailing rearend),
rock hard springs, etc....may even try to freshen up the motor!

So far I've only run on one track (Blackhawk Farms, in Beloit, WI)
but this year I'm going to try to go to other close tracks: Indianapolis
Raceway Park, Road America, Grattan, Mid-ohio, etc.

--Ken (dye@i88.isc.com)
-- 
Ken R. Dye				an optimist is a guy		 |
Interactive Systems Corp., Chicago	that has never had		 | 
(800) LAI-UNIX x341			much experience			 |
dye@i88.isc.comm						archy	 |
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Whitcomb racing
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:22:06 GMT

In article <93027.083854BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>       I read an article in USA yesterday that
>       Derrike Cope confirmed that Whitcomb racing
>       had gone out of business and that they wouldn't
>       be at Daytona to race. He's looking for another
>       ride.
>
This, of course, was bad news for the Derrike Cope fans
out here in the Northwest (he's from Washington).  
Sooooo........who's going to get the Purolator bucks,
if anyone?

bob

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From: quinlan@spsd630a.erim.org (Kevin Quinlan)
Subject: Re: INDY 500 SIMULATION
In-reply-to: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu's message of 21 Jan 1993 14:29:49 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:11:20

In article <1jmc0tINN4cd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio) writes:

>   Does anyone know if the Amiga version of Microprose's `World Circuit'
>   recently mentioned in this thread has good mouse control?
>   and does it have shifting using the keyboard?

I don't recall the Amiga version having mouse control. I do believe
you can shift with the keyboard, though.

>   Same question for the `F1GP' mentioned by Mike Casey.  Who publishes
>   that, anyway?

F1GP is the European or PAL version of World Circuit. World Circuit
was converted for US NTSC Amigas...
 
>   Someone did give me a gift certificate for a software store at
>   Christmas, and it's about time I decide what to use it on ...

I recommend the Amiga version highly. World Circuit & Indy are the
best race sims, IMHO...

>   Mouse control of course is a must, since Amigas use the old Atari 2600
>   standard digital joysticks.  I've been spoiled on mouse control for
>   racing games/simulations ever since Electronic Arts brought out
>   `Ferrari Formula 1'.  It's rather hideous these days (although its
>   semiautomatic transmission was ahead of its time!), of course,
>   but was the first good mouse-controlled racing simulation, as far as
>   I know.

Digital joystick control IS sloppy. I run World Circuit using a 
Gravis Mousestick. It is similiar to an analog joystick in that
it provides an analog signal to an digital converter that the 
Amiga requires. Control is very precise (the Mousestick can also
be used as a mouse). At $60 US, it's a bit pricey, but I also
use it for flight sims where precision control is a must...

Hope this helps,
Kevin Q.


--
Kevin Quinlan
Research Engineer                                  
Environmental Research Institute of Michigan       
Ann Arbor, Michigan                                
INTERNET: quinlan@erim.org                         

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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Confirm/Disprove WC Rumor Please
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:25 EST  

In article <C1F4Cx.1s5@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes...
>In article <1993Jan25.032752.131369@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> swh0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu 
(STEPHEN WILLIAM HUMINSKI) writes:
>>I recently heard a rumor about Kodiak leaving WC action.  Thanx in advance.
>>-- 
>Just a rumor that faded.  They're back in '93 with
>Schrader
> 
>bob

In August of 1991, the Kodiak and Schrader folks announced coming to terms 
on a three-year deal.  This would run through the 1994 season, provided 
Kodiak still has the money and the FTC keeps their hands off of "smokeless 
tobacco" sponsorship.

JD
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Subject: Mansell Rules!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:14:52 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

The February issue of RACER is out, and this months "for the
record" column is titled "Mansell Rules!"  The following quote
is, of course, completely without permission:

   ...
   He [Mansell] arrived at the first race in South Africa better
   prepared and sharper than ever before, saying he was totally
   focused on winning the championship.  To do so, though, he would
   first need to defeat Patrese, the man whose speed had caused him
   much embarrassment the previous year.
     Mansell destroyed the Italian from day one; totally wiped him
   out.  At first no one, least of all Patrese, could fully explain
   it.  Then the telemetry began to tell the story.
     The active suspension worked brilliantly as it maintained a
   constant ride-height, regardless of the uneven track surface,
   and therefore allowed the very efficient aerodynamics to work to
   full effect, particularly while cornering.  It suited Mansell
   perfectly, since he could keep his right foot planted on the
   throttle, his incredible reflexes dealing with any wayward move-
   ment.
     It reduced the need to "feel" the car all the time and mother
   it along and yet, perversely, it extended the machine's limits to
   a level not known before.  Mansell was merely more prepared than
   Patrese to explore those limits.  The telemetry showed that if
   the back finally broke away, Patrese would lift slightly, whereas
   Mansell would simply flick the wheel and keep on truckin'.  It
   may have amounted to no more than a fraction of a second, but,
   over the course of a lap, that's what made the difference.
     Patrese's finely honed sensitivities in the car were no longer
   required.  If anything, active ride had blunted his natural gifts,
   favoring instead stunning reflexes and inordinate bravery.

Rico's fans will of course draw a different conclusion from the above
than Nige's will.  Interesting in either case!

Call 1-800-722-7140 to subscribe.  The February issue also has a
really nice six page interview with Rick Mears (by Gordon Kirby) about
his retirement.  You can get it at your favorite newstand and see
for yourself how good this new (this was the 10th issue) magazine is.

Dave Wilson

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: A bit of humor
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:17:53 GMT

This from NSSN:

The rains which have pelted the Phoenix area fro the last
month created some unscheduled excitement for Mexican driver
Adrian Fernandez.  In a mid-December test session at Firebird
Raceway here, Fernandez spun his Galles Racing Galmer Chevy
off the track into a deep pool of water created by the rains.

Once the car stopped, it started to sink deeper and deeper into
the muddy bottom.

Fernandez radioed his pit, "My car is sinking."  Help arrived
in time to keep the car from becoming fully submerged.

---
bob

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: IndyCars was(F1: No Williams in 93?)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:31:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.072039.3048@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:
>
>Chris Prael writes:
>>I reckon that he must be.  Especially since he and the Lola-Ford seem to
>>be settling into oval track work very comfortably!  On Track says that
>>he got within 0.4 sec of Michael's record at Phoenix before the weather
>>chased them under cover.
>
>Michael's record would have been set with a cobbled together car for the 
>new Ford motor.  The engine had only competed in one race before Phoenix.
>Also, Nigel gets to use a car that has a whole season's worth of development
>on it.  He did give credit to the crew for having a great set-up on the car.
>Let's see what happens when he gets the new car this week.  
>
>I can't wait to see that guy in traffic!
>

Toronto papers reported that Scott Goodyear, with his new 1993 Lola
Ford/Cosworth XB broke the Michale's Phoenix oval track record last
week in testing, I think, it was almost by half-a-second...I think
they said his time was 20.5 sec...

Gerald
From: Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson)
Sender: postmaster@aisbbs.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: ignorance of the sport
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:41:04

 Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport


 >In article <1jc557INN4f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
 >ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
 >>But auto racing is much safer now than it was 20 years ago, so I
 >>wonder if Hemingway would still consider it a `real' sport?

 james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello) responds:

 >Especially considering Hemingway produced this quote at least 40 years
 >ago, when motor racing was horrifically dangerous compared to today or
 >even 20 years ago. I seem to remember this line actually appeared
 >sometime in the '30s.

Can anyone give me an exact reference as to when or where Hemingway
made his alleged comment regarding "true sports"?  I love the
quote, and have used it myself, but have never been able to
ascertain specifically when or where it originated.  In speaking
with one of the folks from "Age & Treachery Racing, Ltd." (who have
T-shirts bearing the "quote") he said that they had done
considerable research and had been unable to find a solid reference
on this.  He even opined that it might be a more succinct
paraphrase of some lengthier comments made by the late Ken Purdy in
his biography of Stirling Moss "All But My Life", but that it
sounded like something Hemingway MIGHT have said.  I had recently
re-read the Purdy book, and recalled the similarity of the
comments, but I'd still LIKE to believe that these words came from
Papa Hemingway. I've also seen several slightly different
variations on the quote, and would like to know the precise
original form, as well as what context it was stated in. Any
Hemingway scholars out there who can help?

                                   rj

                    Ric.Johnson@f4.z290.n1.aisbbs.com
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: F1 driver list
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:41:06 GMT

zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:


> 1
> 2
> 3 Tyrrell         Katayama
> 4                 De Cesaris 
> 5 Benetton        Schumacher
> 6                 Patrese
> 7 McLaren         Andretti
> 8                 tba
> 9 Footwork        Suzuki
>10                 Warwick
>11 Lotus           Hakkinen
>12                 Herbert
>13
>14 Jordan          Barrichello
>15                 tba
>16 March           tba
>17                 tba 
>18 
>19 Larrousse       tba
>20                 tba
>21 Lola            Alboreto
>22                 Badoer
>23 Minardi         tba
>24                 tba
>25 Ligier          Brundle
>26                 Blundell
>27 Ferrari         Alesi
>28                 Berger
>29 Sauber          Wendlinger
>30                 Lehto

>Note no entry for cars 1,2,13,18
>1 and 2 should be the Williams team, but their entry was late (again?)
>"Nobody seriously doubts that Prost and Hill will be on the grid in S.Africa"
>...but they need ALL other teams to agree to their addition to the list, so 
>may have to give concessions on some of the recently proposed rule changes.
>I don't know why there's no entry for 13 and 18, but I notice there wasn't a 
>13 or 18 last year either.

   They don't use the number 13 in racing for the same reason they don't have
   a thirteenth floor in any buildings- the fear of the number thirteen. As for
   18- well, if you have two-car teams, and skip 13, then you have to skip 
   another number sometime to even things out. Benetton always used 19, so I
   guess they preferred it to 18. Alas, they have abandoned their traditional
   19 and 20, opting instead for 5 and 6. I am somewhat disappointed to see 
   this, but changes abound year to year.

Hope this helps.

Cory


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From: griffith@acuson.com (Paul Griffiths)
Subject: Re: INDY 500 SIMULATION
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:21:09 GMT

>Anyone ever heard if they plan to make a new version of that game. It
>is easily the best autoracing game I have seen and its 4 years old
>(not even true VGA!). I have tried Mario Andretti's, Bill Elliot's
>Nascar Challenge and about three others. None of them come close to
>the realism of INDY 500.

There may be an update in the works, but who cares?!  Why this bastard
outlook!?!?  Cause Microprose has released World Circuit...This game
passes Indy 500 on the first corner.  It's essentially the whole F1
circuit, you're choice of car, GREAT graphics, nice feel, good
customization... While I certainly can't say I'm ready for F1 in
real life... My respect and admiration for ALL F1 drivers has gone
up about %2000...as has my knowledge of the tracks, cars etc.
I'm not going to review this game in this newsgroup...(this thread
is bordering on the 'not related' as it is.) Suffice to say if
you loved Indy 500...you'll make room on your HD for World Circuit.
>             _
>          Mr Geoff

-Paul Griffiths
-Acuson Computed Sonography

I'm not a raving lunatic, I just act like one.
From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Rubens Barrichello (Was: F1 News)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:31:53 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: xploit.eng.pyramid.com

Richard Banks writes:
>
>>Rubens Barichello will be the youngest ever G.p. driver when he starts with
>>Jordan in 93.
>
>What is Barichello's age?

He was born 23/5/72, so that makes him 20 right now.  The record for the
youngest GP driver is 19yrs 6mo by Mike Thackwell.  Ricardo Rodriguez and
Chris Amon were also 19 when they started their first GP race.

Dan Jones
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