From: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:20:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep3.192057.29754
Organization: The Ohio State University


In article <1992Aug31.200824.9011@colorado.edu>, perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU 
(Eric S. Perlman) asserts:
>And E. Jerusalem is *not* occupied territory. 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Really? Just because you say so?  For the umpteen time, point of fact is that 
the UN and virtually the entire world, excluding the Israeli government and 
Perlman (as usual, of course), believe otherwise.   Iraq too claimed that 
"Kuwait was *not* occupied territory," but the world didn't seem to 
agree with such assertion either.

Later, in article <1992Sep2.215428.25841@colorado.edu>, a follow up to
Hallam@zeus02.desy.de followup, Perlman writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.144615.8627@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>>...
>>The axiom on which the New World Order is based is the rule of international 
>>law as defined by the UN. The UN regards E. Jreusalem as occupied. 
>
>The majority of the GA does.  UNGA resolutions do not have the
>force of international law.  UNSC resolutions do.  So your argument
>falls.

No it doesn't.  *Sigh*  Having been corrected on this issue many times 
before, Perlman once again chooses to demonstrate that he is not capable of 
facing reality (at least on this issue), preferring instead to live in 
fantasy land.

What is really funny, however, is that this is the very same
Eric Perlman who - just a couple of days ago in a response 
(<1992Aug31.215655.13594@colorado.edu>) to John Elghani - wrote:
>...
>Just like Elghani!  As has been mentioned umpteen times on this net, the
>name "Palestine" for the land was a Roman invention.  Once again, we see
>what should be very obvious:  Elghani refuses to take seriously anything
>which attacks his hopelessly narrow view of the world.  Ho hum.

One more time, let's see how wide Perlman's view of the world really is:

Fact: Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from
      war, even by a state acting in self-defense.  Accordingly, the UN 
      regards Jerusalem as occupied.

Fact: When Israeli extended Israeli law to (newly expanded) East Jerusalem
      after the 1967 war, the action was condemned by the UN Security Council
      (Res. 252 and 267) and the UN General Assembly (Res. 2253).

Fact: In 1980 the Security Council issued an unconditional call on Israel to
      withdraw from the Gaza Strip and West Bank, including jerusalem.  
      "Reaffirming that acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible,"
      it referred to ``the overriding necessity to end the prolonged 
      occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, 
      including Jerusalem.'' (Ref. S.C. Res. 476, June 1980).   
      The UNGA has also called for unconditional withdrawal ``from all 
      Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, 
      including Jerusalem.'' (See G.A. Res. 37/123(F) of December 1982.)
      As explicitly stated, both the UNSC and the UNGA consider Jerusalem
      to be part of occupied Arab territories.

Fact: When Israel officially annexed the (now much expanded) East Jerusalem,
      the UN Security Council unanimously passed a resolution declaring the 
      Israeli annexation ``null and void'' under international law.  (Ref. 
      S.C. Res. 478, art. 2, August 1980.) (See also G.A. Res. 35/169, 
      December 1980.)

Fact: The U.N. Security council passed numerous resolution (see for 
      example S.C. Res 681 of December 1991) ``reaffirming the obligation 
      of Member States under the United Nation Charter,'' ``reaffirming 
      further the principle of the inadmissibility of acquisition of 
      territory by war set forth in Security Council Resolution 242 (167),''
      and declaring that the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 ``is applicable 
      to all territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem.''

Fact: On January 6, 1992, the UNSC again unanimously passed a resolution 
      (UNSC Res. 726) in which it strongly condemned Israeli deportations of 
      Palestinians and reaffirmed ``the applicability of the Geneva 
      Convention to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 
      1967, including Jerusalem.''

Perlman, you may choose to continue to insist that "E. Jerusalem is 
not occupied", but the facts and international law tell us otherwise.
You may elect to ignore reality, but that doesn't make it go away.

Waleed Muhanna
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
 to do nothing."  -- Edmund Burke