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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:37:34 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
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In <1992Sep30.131256.26075@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>  
>  	My girlfriend and I were talking about dreaming one day and she told me
>  that she cn remember dreams where she has written poems that were very good.
>  The funny thing is is that she does not write poems , I do. She claims to have
>  read poems in her dreams that she thinks she has written that were better than
>  most of the things she sees published.
>  	I thought that maybe she was just experiencing the feeling of "wow,
>  what a great poem!" (feelings seem to come in big packages in dreams - like
>  "wow, what great sex" "what a great day" etc). But she remembers reading it and
>  really liking it - though she couldn't remember any of the meaning of the text
>  she could remember a few phrases which didn't seem too poetic "out of context".
>  	
>  	Anyone else find themselves creative/artistic in dreams?

Me too, but if it were not for a catch there...

I dream of writing stories/poems or technical papers or composing
music... but on awakening I increasingly realize that the stuff I
dreamt of is, looked upon in the daylight, not that good at all, or
(especially for the technical things) plain rubbish. Hovever, I have
already made some stories out of dream ideas later... but this
requires always some changes in the original ideas (which I can
remember pretty well exactly).


MfG,
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From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:35:14 GMT

More then once I've turned off the alarm across the room and have no
recollection of getting up and walking around at all....

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From: 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture)
Subject: Re: my wierd crucifix/water dream
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.043920.1851@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu
(David Hutton) writes...

>So my best friend and I are running through a forest of virgin pine and there
>is this military looking helicopter making low passes over our heads.

Maybe the forest is the unknown.  Maybe it's something that is undefiled by
man.

>My friend clutches a crucifix, and I clutch a glass of water.

Clutching a crucifix could mean relying on faith to get through a crisis.
Is your friend a christian?  Any reason that you would associate the
crucifix with him.

>We come to a strange green enameled fence in the middle of the forest that
>strangly gets higher as you run down it.  The helicopter is landing.

The fence is a barrier or an obstacle of some sort.  Does the color green
have any important meaning to you?

>The people in the helicopter are after us (this has been apparent from the
>beginning) and are now scurring to get us.

Hopefully the meaning of this is apparent to you.  Without knowing the
circumstances in your life, I can't even begin to guess.

>We jump over the fence and my friend drops the crucifix as we get into his
>car.

Jumping the fence could be interpreted as overcoming an obstacle.  The
meaning behind dropping the crucifix would probably be strongly tied to
the meaning of the crucifix in the first place.  Is your friend having
a religious crisis?  Are you?

>The key was already in the ignition when we got in and the starter
>had been running the whole time, but I turn it further and it starts the car.

I'm not letting you drive my car.   :-)

- Silicon Vulture

Organization: Freshman, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 15:26:01 -0400 
From: "Jin B. Yong" <jy29+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Girls, Food,& Libr.

    Well here's my dream, ya dreamoholics-- I'm livin' in a dark
Gotham-like city.  I meet this girl who is short with short straight
hair (a generic girl) and she takes me to where she lives.  She takes me
to this secret entrance in the subway to this elevator.  We take the
elevator down to her home which is miles beneath the surface.  Her home
is all dark caverns and sewer-like
machines.  I see that the inhabitants of this place are only more girls,
no guys. They turn out to be really aliens with incredible strength, not
real women at all.  I then find out that she wants me for food and that
i have to be conscious when they eat me because my consciousness
controls the machines that feeds me to them (a robotic arm that feeds
me, etc.).  Of course, i try hopelessly to fight back and finally i run
away and find the elevator back up to surface.  I tell a cop but he
doesn't believe me.  I go home
but the girl reappears and draggs me back down.  This time i escape down
a flight of dark metal stairs spiraling downward and into a room that looks
like a library where there are only girls studying books.  I can't find
the elevator back up and i have no where to hide so i feel so trapped,
so claustrophobic.  Hopelessly afraid I'm going to be eaten that i take
off all my clothes and  prance around naked at the library  (like Arnold
in Terminator2)
because there wasn't anything else i could do.  That is when i stinkin'
wake up at 6:00 in morning.  Weird, huh?  I think the Highlander food,
the girls, and the library at CMU are getting to me!!!  Whadds ya think?
 Any analytical comments would be appreciated.
From: danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Keywords: none
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:13:23 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson) writes:

>I also experince what some call "semi-conscious dreaming" exactly like
>you experience it.  I wake up to find that my alarm has been shut off, and 
>I'm sure I set it the night before.  Also, this only happens if I'm
>extremely tired and only get a few hours of sleep.  I have no recollection
>of my alarm going off or my shutting it off.

>Anyone with comments would be appreciated!

I had a similar problem, although not related to lack of sleep. Oddly enough
it stopped after my girlfriend became an ex-girlfriend. Well, she doesn't like
her sleep being interrupted !

Danny
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Subject: Vitamins
From: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 21:03:06 GMT+1
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, New Zealand

Someone asked about which vitman enhances dream recall. B6
defiency can lead to inability to recall dreams

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 10:15:41 EDT
From: <BANNON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dreaming of the Dead

Tuesday night I dreamed I was in an empty basement room with
my sister.  There were three walls in my vision.  Each wall
had a full-sized window raised so that the sill was about eye-
level.  The windows had curtains on their lower halves.  We
did not know why we were there.

We could see light-flickering shadows of people moving around
outside the windows.  We could hear muffled sounds of life.
Occasionally someone would pass close enough for us to glimpse
a shoulder or a profile.  I was looking through the window in
the wall to my right.  I saw the face of a man suddenly step into
view.  He was working on something that was below my vision, behind
the curtain.  He was looking down at what he worked on.  Once he
raised the object of his toil in his hand to regard it.  It was
off to the outside of the window, still not within my sight.  He
raised his head to look at it.  I studied his face.  He had a full
beard, steel gray, and baggy lower eyelids outlined with crinkled
laughlines.  Suddenly I recognized that it was my Father with a
full beard and several years older than when he was alive.

I exclaimed, "Ruth, Look!" and my sister turned to look.  She
didn't recognize him until I said, "He's got a BEARD!!"  Then
her mouth dropped open and she stared.  He begain to walk to
our left and passed a second window.  We followed his progress
shouting, "Dad! Dad! Dad!"  He went out of sight again and we
dashed over to the next window, still shouting.  He stopped
there and began to work on something again.  We were frantically
trying to have him hear us.  At one point he stopped what he
was doing and seemed to look around, he turned back to his
job but we were encouraged.  We began jumping up and down and
waving our arms while hollaring.  We hoped he might see our
movement.  He did.  He leaned forward and we could see his gaze
shift to peer down into the basement.  A broad smile lit his face
and Ruth and I began to babble, saying how glad we were to see
him, etc.  We reached our hands up toward the glass, straining on
tip-toe.  He reached down toward us and the glass started to glow
white where our hands were about to meet.  He stopped and a confused
look came over his face.  He said, "Are you coming now?"  I grabbed
my sister's reaching hand with my outstretched hand and pulled it
quickly downward.  I shook my index finger on my other hand at my
Dad and winked saying, "Not just yet."  He smiled and repeated me,
"Not just yet."  My sister and I were still holding hands.  She
said, "We love you, Dad."  His smile gentled and he said, "I love
you."  The dream ended.



Any thoughts?

Lee
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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Keywords: none
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:52:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.033622.12325@news2.cis.umn.edu> mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>What is interesting with the mind is that it does have an autopilot which
>carries on things that it deems low on the priority list (i.e. waking up
>vs. getting much needed sleep)  what is happening is that you are forgetting
>turning them off.
>
>I suggest putting the clocks:
>
>1)  Far away from your bed (but near enough to hear!) so that you have
>    to GET up to turn them off... and

Well this weekend I actually tried this ... I went to bed 3-4 hours
before the clocks went off in great need of sleep.

Saturday at 13:00 I woke up with three clocks turned off. I did, however, 
have a dim memory of getting up at 9:00 and walking around.

Sunday at 12:00 I woke up with the clocks in the same state, but this
time I had no memory of being up at 9:00.

Seems like the mind quickly adjusts to new situations ...

>2)  Put the clocks in interesting places (i.e. inside a box with a combo
>    lock)   

I guess this one's next :-) Or perhaps I should get earlier to bed ?
Hmmm ...

>muffman

*JORN* (email : jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no)
From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:23:35 GMT
	<97099@bu.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hmm...You mention that you've gotten people to recall dreams from a few days
previous.  I'm wondering if, since they didn't remember that they had these
dreams, their subconscious might be making them up as they're "remembering"
them?  It's been shown that a person's memory isn't a "tape recorder" which
can recall everything one has experienced--your mind will fill in details
for you when the memories are dim.  This being the case, it would seem quite
plausible that the subconscious is making up the dreams as they are being
"recalled", especially since you're dealing with the subconscious to start
with.

In a similar vein, I've "recalled" dreams that I'd had quite a while back,
like a matter of years.  Of course, after saying what I just said, I'm not
sure that I _am_ actually recalling them (although I suppose that if one
looks at everything like that, one is getting a bit metaphysical and won't
get anywhere...oh well).

Just some thoughts...
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From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: sex in a lucid dream.
Summary: wow.
Keywords: dreams and sex.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:31:08 GMT

Yes, sex in a lucid dream can be an amazing thing, although very
"sticky", and not necessarily just when you wake up.  I've had some
bizarre dreams on the matter, and they usually are pretty intense.

But one thing about lucid dreams that I haven't heard anyone mention
is the following:
 
In one dream, after realizing it was a dream, I went around
questioning dream characters about who they were and what they were
doing there.  It struck me that the dream is ME as a whole, where the
dream character ME is my conscious ME, my EGO, or whatever.  When I
went around asking the characters who they were and what they were
doing there, they seemed scared.  It was very bizarre.  I've also had
a dream where I went lucid and someone was bothering me, so I decided
to fly away.  He said "I can fly after you" and hoverred above the
ground.  I woke up after that.
 
And has anyone ever flown through solid matter?  I've flown through a
building once, where people were working at their bureaucratic jobs,
etc.  Then there is the simple matter of how REAL everything looks in
a lucid dream.  More real than reality.  I've spent some lucid dreams
just staring at things.  Someone mentioned dreams about art and
creativity, I had one dream, possibly my favorite ever, going around
through an empty gallery looking at paintings.  They were MY
paintings, (i knew this somehow) and they were all amazing abstracts.
The strange bit is that I heard a monster off to some side of the
gallery roaring, but never saw him/her/it.

Lucid dreaming has got to be one of the most amazing experiences a
human being can go through.  I believe that when people talk about
astral projection, that they are actually in a lucid dream.  Having
read books on both subjects, the methods of astral projecting are
often similar to the methods of inducing a lucid dream.  I only
managed once to induce a lucid dream: it was a method that involved
letting your body fall asleep while you keep your mind awake.  Messing
around with this, lying on the bed, my eyes started to flutter and go
weird, and then I was in a dream, and I was lucid right from the
beginning!  Something I hope to try again soon...


                                        Nik
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 23:31:37 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:

> One more thing: I'd heard that Coleridge story, but in the
> version I heard, he'd been tripping on some drug and having
> visions of Xanadu; this was interrupted by an insurance
> salesman, and the rest of his would-have-been epic poem was
> lost forever. Ah, well...
> 
  According to Douglas Adams, that insurane salesman was actually Dirk 
Gently who was time travelling in order to save the world from the 
actions of some outer-galaxy madman who had been adversely influenced by 
the second half of the poem...

                              --The Vortex has been reading 
                              too much sci-fi! Don't believe her!
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Reccurring Locale
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:13:34 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1992Sep18.081936.1@husky1.stmarys.ca>, gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca 
(Bill McKinnon) writes:
> 
> 	Ok, folks.  Let's see if anyone out there in dreamland can explain
> this for me.  For about five months now i've been having dreams that occur
> in the same place.  All of the dreams have nothing to do with each other,
> except, the fact that they all occur in the same area.  It's one long dark
> street, with every other street light smashed out.  None of these dreams
> are nightmares, and i've never been anywhere that even remotely resembles
> this place.  any ideas?

In article <Bv94Es.Jt@world.std.com>, jhansen@world.std.com (Jeff Hansen) 
        replied
jh> Are you feeling stuck, trapped or bored in a present job, relationship or
jh> personal growth?  OR, pehaps in the dreams there is something common that
jh> occurs that you are supposed to look at more closely.  Think about it.
jh> Are you avoiding anything in your life that needs to be dealt with?
jh>  
jh> Good luck.

The other thing to note is that every other street
light is "smashed out". Implying perhaps that you are
partly aware, partly unaware. Or, in the words of T.S.
Eliot, "Living and partly living". The lights are 
"smashed out", implying some sort of violence -- do you 
feel some violence has been done to your self-hood?

What you are partly aware of, and what violence has
been done (if any), you are the best person to say. It
would be nice to know what lies beyond the street. Two
techniques might help here. First to try and follow the
street in your dream, and see where it leads. Second to
act out to yourself and take on the role of the street.
What does it have to say for itself. 

Let the group know how you get on: feedback works both 
ways.

Take care
Ronno
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For dreams and reason, against authority of all sorts.
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From: ghill@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Gregory Hill)
Subject: water
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:23:25 GMT

I frequently have dreams about water, and I was wondering if people have
any ideas about the significance thereof. The water can be rivers, lakes,
oceans, swimming pools; clear, still or fast-moving, muddy, etc. etc., and
the dreams can range from absolutely heavenly (like swimming endlessly in
a clear mountain lake with water that doesn't feel cold) to the most
horrifying I have ever had (being eaten by giant lobsters). What does it
mean if water is the major thread in one's dreams??? thanks

greg
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From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Trying to fly straight up.
Summary: dreaming of death.
Keywords: UP up and away.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:16:53 GMT

I did try to fly up into outer space once.  I thought I'd fly straight
up.  So I zoomed up and up, until suddenly I started slowly falling
back down to the earth.  I came down in a cemetary and a couple of
zombies came out of their graves and headed towards me.  I was scared
silly, but remembering it was just a dream, I shifted into dreamless
sleep.
 
Speaking of zombies, they were a big symbol for me all through high
school.  I used to dream of hoardes of them attacking me, and me
defending myself with a weapon, easily slicing them into ribbons.
Later, I had a dream where the world had been infested with a zombie
plague, but a "cure" had been found, and now zombies were intelligent,
and rather normal.  I was at a party where there were half zombies and
half normals (I was normal).  There was special zombie food, dead
stuff I guess...  Anyone, forgetting my place, I said "Oh GOD, there's
zombies everywhere!" and then I remembered zombies were ok now, and
appologized for my social faux pas.  No one seemed too offended.
 
After that, I rarely (never?) had a zombie dream again.
 
I know what it means, anyone else wanna guess?

                                                  Nik
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: ...
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 23:39:23 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

True. Dream dictionaries are like bad sheet music. They might not be 
great to play off of note for note, but they're a great place to start 
when you need an idea for you own arrangements...
  I dunno about your horny dreams, dear. Can you combine the flying WITH 
the water WITH the R - X rated scenes?... Hmmm... Freud, I still believe, 
needed a life. He also said you can't smell in dreams, too. I have proven 
that wrong on many occasions. I would like to meet this Freud guy 
sometime in a future life.
                           --Vortex of on three different tangents
                                 and gaining...
swoop!
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From: simon@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Julia Simon)
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Organization: Fachschaft Computerlinguistik, U of Saarland, FRG
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:41:10 GMT

std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>     This is a question, to anyone who can answer it.  I rarely remember my
> dreams, unless they have a stressful content, or I am awakened during one.  I
> remember reding some years ago that increasing your intake of a particular
> vitamin(?) would help you recall your dreams.  Does anyone else know about
> this?  I would appreciate your help. 

You can train to recall your dreams by keeping a "dream diary": every time you
wake up and remember a dream (or a tiny little bit of a dream), you write it
down AT ONCE (very important: people say that if you don't recall your dream
during the first five or so minutes after waking up, it's lost forever).
After a while you will see you remember more and more of your dreams.

			Julia 8-)

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From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:52:27 GMT
Reply-To: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

I heard once that deja vu (surprisingly or not) is triggered solely by
SMELL and olfactory senses. 

Maybe that helps. Or not

Tim
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 23:22:43 -0400 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Flying in lucid dreams

The first thing I normally do when I become lucid is start flying.  I have
absolutely no trouble doing it, but I have so much fun that I lose lucidity.
I often have a problem with that...I haven't tried any techniques for staying
lucid, though.  I can't remember the last time I remained lucid for more than
10 or 20 (subjective) seconds.  Half the time, I've thought I've woken up
(I don't find myself in bed or anything, I just have the "waking up" feeling),
and the other half of the time I just go back to the dream.  Really
irritatii
(oops...sorry editor!) irritating.

Oh well...
Chris
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