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From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts)
Subject: Re: <<*NEW HORROR*>>
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:34:41 GMT

Chris-
	Awhile back I tried to get a discussion about Skipp & Spector
going, although I have only read two of their books (_Deadlines_ and
_The Scream_) they are among my favorite authors!
	The reason, I would assume, that the discussion never really
picked up is probably that not many people have read much of their work. They
are still rather obscure.

	I, myself, much prefered their book _Deadlines_ to _The Scream_ but
I think alot of that had to do with the unusual blend between short stories
and novel that they pulled off brilliantly! I don't know if anyone has ever 
done a blend quite like this but I would have to guess that they did the
best job.

	If anyone is confused now, go buy the book and read it!
	If you aren't confused, go buy the book and read it anyways!!


--
kmr...                                      Fiction is created by writers
kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu                      Lies are concocted by liars
"I have engaged the                         Fiction is a string of lies
Theoretical Weasel!"                        I am a liar...
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror,misc.writing
Subject: Re: Horror Magazines
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:02:43 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug31.170637.23876@pellns.alleg.edu>, frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
> 
>    I'm an unpublished author of horror stories looking to rectify that  
> situation. Mostly, I write supernatural/psychological oddities and  
> something very vaguely Lovecraftian with a surrealist twist. Could anyone  
> please e-mail or post the addresses of magazines that might publish this  
> sort of fiction. 
> A thousand blessings on the house that which can grant me any help.
> -----
> Vince

I don't know if this will help you much, but you might consider looking in 
the genre section of the most recent edition of the Writer's Market.  It 
spells out a lot of what the magazines are looking for.  You might want to 
try any of the following:
	Amazing Stories--TSR, Inc. P.O. box 111 Lake Geneva, WI.  53147
	Haunts--Nightshade Publications, P.O. Box 3342, Providence, RI 
	02906
	Midnight Zoo--Experiences Unlimited 544 Ygnacio Valley Road
	#A273, P.O. Box 8040, Walnut Creek, CA.  94596

Good Luck!

Andrea @ BVC
From: kgilham@alsvid.une.edu.au (Kim Gilham)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Good Horror Films?
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:27:25 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <1992Aug23.044702.24802@agora.uucp>, by hopkins@agora.uucp (Scott Hopkins):
> 
> 	In the previous article on bad horror films, I believe I found 
> a mistake.  _Chillers_ was done by Dario Argento (I think) and not Hooper.
> 	But anyways, I agree with the more interesting question of what is
> a good horror film.
> 
> A good horror film should stay in the mind of the audience long after
everybody goes home. It is a combination of things that produce a  memorable
horror movie. Too much gore and it becomes a comedy, entertaining the audience 
rather than scaring them. The vital elements in any horror movie are thrills,
fears and climaxes. Here are some of my favourites:

The Exorcist III - Compared to III the Exorcist I is a children's bedtime
                   story. I love how they depict the mental hospital and the
                   woman who carries a radio/television/typewriter cracks me
                   up. Never have I seen a more polite murderer. Karras is the
                   possesed priest and his behaviour needs to be seen to be
                   believed. The anti-climaxes are plentiful but the ending
                   climax is well worth waiting for. 
                      "I'm sorry, was I raving"

The First Power - Lou Diamond Phillips stars in this rather scary remake of a
                  tired old plot. The plot is that of a executed serial killer
                  being brought back to life to continue killing. Without
                  going in to it, two friends and I watched it one night and
                  when it had finished Mat borrowed a huge kitchen knife to
                  protect him on his drive home.   
                      "Beunos Dias, Buddy Boy"
 
The Stepfather - Now this one is a beauty. What ingenuity!! Making a family
                 then murdering them, only to repeat the gruesome process in
                 another city, again and again.
 

Freddy III-The Dream Warriors - Yep, good ole' Freddy Kruger. This one is
                                definitely one of the best although I hear
                                Freddy XXVII should be good !!









-- 
Kim Gilham  Internet:  kgilham@alsvid.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 203
    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: GOOD horror films (was Bad horror films ... why?)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:50:28 GMT

In article <174sdjINN7og@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:


   I think more interesting would be a discussion of what people consider those
   few GOOD horror movies.  Maybe not timeless classics necessarily, but ones
   you certainly wouldn't mind watching if they were on opposite a political
   convention.  My own list of good horror movies (at least ones I can think
   off of the top of my head):

The only movie that has ever scared me was, ``Angel Heart.''  I enjoy
lots of horror movies -- but generally for comedy value.  AH I enjoyed
for exactly the opposite reason...

-Joe.
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From: uk09365@nx05.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: Movie Id needed
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:36:31 GMT

In article <BtMw1p.F2v@wpi.WPI.EDU> avif@maxine.wpi.edu (Avram Finkel)  
writes:
> Just tonight, I was watching _Terror in the Isles_, sort of an on-screen  
essay
> on horror in film throughout human history(or at least since there's  
been 
> movies).

Minor nit.  The movie title is _Terror in the Aisles_

Robert K.
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From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Re: Shirley Jackson
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:35:33 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Shirley Jackson
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:12:59 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Aug28.073100.11571@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> J1300DAF@vm.univie
>
>I am reading a book by Shirley Jackson "The Lottery", a 1947-compilation of
>short-stories. Not what a lot of you out there would consider to be "real"
>horror, but very irritating and disturbing. The stories are mostly about
>loneliness and the unability to build up relationships. Highly
>recommended. Anybody out there, who read her stuff?
>
>    - Oliver
>
>"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)

Yesyesyes!  I love "The Haunting of Hill House".  It's a very spooky book
and one of the few books I've read that was actually made into a very good
and effective horror movie.  Rent it!

My favorite work of hers, however, is "We Have Always Lived In the Castle".
I think this is more atmospheric than "Hill House" and very enjoyable.

BTW, I think she wrote a very funny short story.  It's about a little kid
who is always making trouble and when his parents ask him why, he says he is
only doing what his friend Frederick did in school.  Eventually the parents
go to see his teacher, and are told that there is no Frederick there.  Has
anyone else read this and is it Jackson's?  What is its title?


This story is part of the mentioned collection ("The Lottery"). I can't
actually recall the title (the book is at home) and perhaps the title
would be of no use (german translation, they often change titles with
no obvious reason; when King's IT was published, they named it IT, and
then came MISERY, the called it SHE ...)
Funny, that you you mentioned "The Haunting of Hill House" -film. This
is one of my all-time-faves ... It was the first horror-film I was
allowed to see (late nite TV) and I really couldn't sleep that night ...
My parents waited very long, until they allowed me to see another
horror film on TV ("The Mummy" with Karloff). Hill House still scares
me ...

    - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: right you are (Hellraiser 3 comments(
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:02:05 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK


     I haven't seen anything to indicate otherwise, but I would be glad to see
Hellraiser 3 turn out better than expected.  I saw a trailer for it that said,
"Clive Barker presents...."
     "Army of Darkness," will hopefully be as wonderful as I hope, and with Sam
Raimi at the helm, I'm sure it'll be at least decent.


ntraven

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From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Graham Masterton (was James Herbert)
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:05:40 GMT

In article <Bt51EM.7K8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.054445.17070@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> af322@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Adams) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) says:
>>
>>>
>>>I liked "Slugs" and "Breeding Ground" the best so far, but I am into
>>>nauseating horror as well as the other kinds, so if you are opposed to it, I
>>>wouldn't read the above two! I have the same problem only with stacks of
>>>unread books as opposed to just one or two!
>>>
>>
>>Did you ever see Slugs the movie?  I'd never read slugs but did read
>>Breeding ground.  
>> 
>>
>As an aside, I utilized _Slugs_ the movie as basis for how splatterfilms
>reinforce sexist stereotypres.  Got an A.  Slight spoilers follow:
>
>
>Okay, the "main" girl goes to the halloween party.  Her boyfriend pressures
>her into having sex, but she refuses.  Disgusted, he leaves her, and
>she goes off.  All the while she was being stalked by a creep in a mask.
>He pounces on her, with intentions to rape.  She fights him off, and runs
>away.  But by running away, she falls into a sewer opening, and gets 
>eaten by the slugs.
>	This sends a rather clear message:
>		1)  Had she submitted to sex with her boyfriend, even though
>			she didn't want to, she would still be alive.
>		2)  Had she submitted to the _rape_, she would still be alive.
>
>So once again, we see a victim caught in a double whammy "damned if you do..."
>situation.  If the book contains this, I probably wouldn't want to read
>it. 
>
>-- 
>Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
>			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_ 

I think you give the author too much credit. I doubt that he even thought 
about it as being anything but an accepted cliche. I also doubt he had
any real message besides trying to scare someone. I admit that the whole thing
is rather distasteful, but I can't believe that he would've wanted to
reinforce such ideas. It sounds and reads like a standard variation on
the hoary old "damsel in distress" bit. 

					--Judex--
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Subject: Re: Anne Rice: "Tale of the Body Thief"
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:25:29 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <92240.103847EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>, Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  Well, I stopped into the local bookstore the other week, and found out that
> Anne's newest installment in the Vampire Chronicles is rearing to be released
> in October. I haven't had the pleasure to hear any early reviews as of yet, but
> has anyone else heard anything?
	The story is reminiscent of The Vampire Lestat, in that it is
told completely from Lestat's point-of-view.  Although Rice and her
publisher remain quiet on the plot, they will say that Lestat once
again gets into mischief and takes the reader on another erotic,
spiritual, and non-stop action-filled journey.
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Shirley Jackson
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:45:07 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <5276@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.073100.11571@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at writes:
>>
>>I am reading a book by Shirley Jackson "The Lottery", a 1947-compilation of
>>short-stories. Not what a lot of you out there would consider to be "real"
>>horror, but very irritating and disturbing. The stories are mostly about
>>    - Oliver
> 
> 
> I have only read Shirley Jackson's short story called "The Lottery", but
> nothing else of hers. Is the rest of the collection as good as that story? I
> would consider "The Lottery" to be horror as I agree with the person who said
> that every story/novel/movie/etc. does not have to have anything in particular
> to be included in a certain genre:)
> 					Laurel

Laurel, you have some happy reading ahead of you if you've only read "The 
Lottery."  I strongly recommend "The Haunting of Hill House" and I just 
read "the Summer People" in the anthology "The COlor of Evil" which I liked 
a great deal.  All is decidedly creepy and detailed perfectly.  Happy 
reading.

Andrea @ BVC 
>  
> __________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________
> 
> Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
> laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
>                                                   there in the light---
> (Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
>  the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
> 						        for "Cape Fear"
> 						 
> _______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
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From: ehs@jyu.fi (Eero H. Sarkkinen)
Subject: Re: The dark half
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:55:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.170121.1638@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>In article <6875@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>>  Oh yeah, for those who are interested, I believe that Stark is a psuedonim;
>> his real name is Donald Pendalton( ??? ).  As DP he authored comedy crime
>> like 'The Hot Rock', which was made into a film (same title) with Robert
>> Redford.
>Don Pendleton? Hmmm. Sounds like the guy who wrote a ton of those 
>Executioner/Penetrator/Death Merchant/Butcher etc... pulp novels that 

excuse me if I join in..

Actually the writer who wrote the Parker novels as Richard Stark
is Donald E. Westlake, as is pointed out in Dark Half, too. 

In his Afterword King mentions he took the name for the character 
Alexis Machine from another writer, I think the name was Shane Stevens. 
Anybody read him? Sounded interesting, but haven't been able to
find anything in this part of the world.

Sometimes King seems to "plug" relatively obscure writers, as in another
part in the same novel he lists a character's favourite "blood'n'guts"
thriller writers as being Elmore Leonard, Jim Thompson and David Goodis,
along with George Stark, of course.
Everybody knows Leonard, and Thompson seems to be enjoying a revival through 
movies (Grifters, scripted by Westlake btw) recently, but who reads Goodis 
these days?

e.h.s.

Organization: Freshman, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:26:46 -0400 
From: Frederick D Wong <fw0a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: The Horror Fan
	<0095FA53.F650AE80@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>
Distribution: alt.horror

On Aug 26 in re:Good Horror Films? I gave a rough outline of what makes
a good horror movie based upon the viewer. It was then mentioned that
there was perhaps one more type of horror fan presented by Laurel
Povasan. Thanks again, Laurel.

Type VI:The Diehard
    Everything in horror interests this genre of movie viewer. Sex,
violence, sadistic humor, and spurting blood round out this person who
enjoys the serious storylines and the chainsaw maniacs.  
    
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Looking for Hellraiser info
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:24:27 GMT

I just saw _Hellraiser_ and _Hellraiser II_ for the first time. I am not a fan
of horror films for the most part, but I thought that both of these were great.

I have a few questions:

1) Are there any other films out there that I will probably like if I like
these two?

2) At the end of the first tape, there is an ad for various _Hellraiser_
tie-ins; tshirts, stuff like that. I tried calling the number, but it had
been disconnected. Does anyone know where I can order this stuff from?

3) Were the films based on something that Barker wrote?

Thanks, Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
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From: vmzmeu@halcyon.com (Zmeu Vladimir-Martin)
Subject: how to sub to VAMPYRES@GUVM for non-bitnet users:
Summary: instructions on how to sub to VAMPYRES@GUVM for those who don't have ds
Keywords: internet subscription to VAMPYRES@GUVM
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:19:49 GMT

It is possible for those of you who do not have direct 
access to bitnet to subscribe to VAMPYRES@GUVM.BITNET.  
When sending you subscription request to LISTSERV, 
substitute %GUVM@UWAVM.u.washington.edu for @GUVM.BITNET:
LISTSERV%GUVM@UWAVM.u.washington.edu.  

As for starting a news group devoted to vampires, I 
propose setting up a gateway betwen GUVM and UUCP to 
create 'bit.listserv.vampyres' rather than starting a 
separate group.  

Servus,

Zmeu Vladimir-Martin
From: rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Hellrasier III!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:07:05 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


   Those who are wondering, Hellrasier is schedulled for release 
   September 11. Seen previews to it last night, the only cynobyte
   they showed was Pin Head, but at least it's the same actor!!!

   -[Russ.

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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Freak Show
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:48:14 GMT

In article <17gm64INNa7j@agate.berkeley.edu> davidb@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (David T. Blackston) writes:
> ...  The first, "Under the Fang"
>edited by Robert McCammon, was a collection of stories
>dealing with a world where vampires had taken over.  I
>found it interesting, if slightly redundant in parts.
I found _Under the Fang_ rather unremarkable. Disappointing
considering that it was an attempt to showcase the talent of
the Horror Writers of America.
>
>On a related note, are there any other recent anthologies 
>which were found to be worthwhile by the readers here?
Any issue of the following three Year's Best is certainly worth reading.
-	Year's Best Horror (latest was volume 19) edited by Karl Edward Wagner
-	Best New Horror, edited by Jones and Campbell
-	Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, edited by Datlow and someone else
	I can't remember off hand.


Others I liked:
Shadows (10 volumes)
Whispers (6 volumes)
The Cutting Edge, Etchison (ed).
Metahorror, Etchison (ed).
Masters of Darkness (somewhat uneven, but contained some good material).
A Whisper of Blood Datlow (ed)
Blood is Not Enough, Datlow (ed.)

Mark
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From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Steven King idiosyncracies (was Re: The Stand)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:58:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug20.030414.8964@morrow.stanford.edu> AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu  writes:
>>The absolute WORST, IMHO, was "The Mist".  My sister got an audio tape
>>where they dramatized this story.  If you've ever heard people wandering
>>around a supermarket translated into radio drama, you know you have
>>witnessed the EPITOME of Steven King's style.   To wit:
>>
>>"Daddy, let's get the Hostess Cupcakes and the Crunch Tators."
>>
>>"Wouldn't you really prefer the Frito Lay Sour Cream and Onion chips?"
>>
>>"Yeah, okay, and get some Diet Coke, and Kingsford Charcoal.  But don't
>>get the Kingsford lighter fluid, Royal Glow is better."
>>
>>(In no way verbatim, but you get the picture -- actors rattling off inane
>>conversations about brand name products in a witless effort to try and
>>create some sense of "realism" or "every day life".  Sorry, but my life
>>isn't a commercial break in a sitcom.)
>>
>
>I can't believe you said that.  I AGREE.
>

So do I. I enjoyed "The Mist', but King's Tin ear for language is never
more prominent. I have read everything from "Carrie" to "Pet Sematery" and
the Bachman books. I no longer read King. Why? He bores me. "The Stand"
<original version> is my fave, but later books just don't do it for me.
Having just re-read some of his earlier works and enjoyed them still, 
I don't think it is me. His later books seems polluted by his image,
and he seems to write now, like he is trying to live up to some of his
early stuff. This is all just my opinion, but I can't read some of his
more recent stuff. Misery was good, <Movie was better, IMHO>, but IT
seemed so pointless, I threw the book across the room 80 pages from
the end. "Thinner" was really good, but I haven't been able to 
enjoy one of his books since. Probably just me.

And I am truly disgusted by his gleeful commercialism. Putting your
name on films that borrow titles <and nothing else!> from your work <I.E.
The Lawnmower Man, Graveyard Shift 2> is a sure sign of this. Not to
mention the Stephen King Book Of The Month club! 
Does he really need the money? Does Tabitha need an operation or
something? This syndrome is getting worse all the time.     

					--Judex--
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