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From: kip@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Kip Parent)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:48:31 GMT
Organization: HP Response Center Lab

On United 747's the entire upstairs cabin is non-smoking, but it is
business class.
From: mlab3@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Rockville, MD / DC area ?'s
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:08:38 CDT
Organization: who cares

In article <1992Oct9.170336.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, axlaw@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
> I will be in Rockville, MD  (suburb of D.C) for some training in November.
> Can anyone recommend some sights to see, resturants.. the usual stuff a
> stranger would need in a city.  What would be the best method to get to
> the Smithsonian from Rockville?  (I won't have a car)  a tour?  subway?
> Is the subway safe for a female traveling alone?   
> 
> Any comments?  
> 
> Loretta
> axlaw@alaska
> axlaw@acad2.alaska.edu
-- 
Well, you can take red line from rockville to downtown DC. All the subway station are on the Rockvill pike. Public Transportaion there is very convieent. Rockville has many parks you may want to visit like rock creek park. You can visit nearby Bethesda and potomac area. On the rockville park there are many restruants and shopping malls, you can almost everything on Rockvill pike. Subway in Dc area is very clean and safe. I like it very much espcially those long escalator. Well, this will help you. have a g

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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.legal
Subject: Re: guns & travel
Keywords: guns, interstate travel
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:41:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct9.185952.22248@athena.mit.edu>, davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun) writes:
# New York requires a license for possession of a firearm.  I know for a fact
# that New York laws are much tougher against firearms than Florida.
# 
# Is there a reason your friend wants to bring a firearm with him?  If it is
# for a purpose like a contest or something, fine.  But if it's for
# protection I can assure you that we up here in the north are much safer
# than you Floridians, considering the high crime rate down there.  It is also

Since Florida went to non-discretionary issuance of concealed weapon
permits, the murder rate has been declining.  In fact, as of 1991,
it's now LOWER than the murder rate in the rest of the U.S. -- not
bad for a state that used to regularly be among the highest murder
rate states in the country.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
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From: kulla@casee.enet.dec.com (Marc Kulla)
Subject: Maui Hotel Choice
Reply-To: kulla@casee.enet.dec.com (Marc Kulla)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:28:14 GMT


Hi,

I'm curious what people think of the following hotels.  I am trying to
choose between them now for Thanksgiving.

Westin Kaanapali
4 Seasons Wailea
Stouffer Wailea

Feel free to reply to rec.travel or to me directly.

Thanks,

Marc
e-mail: kulla@casee.enet.dec.com
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:56:49 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

twriter1@pencom.com asks:

	Is there any way to get to Europe in a non-smoking environment
	other than on a ship?

A lot of airlines are now making the upstairs (usually Business Class)
of their 747s non-smoking.  I've been on one, and I could barely tell
there were smokers below.

/jordan
From: matt@scrc.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Help - which route frome Missoula,MT to Portland,OR (driving)
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:11:27 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba

Which route would be better to get from Missoula to Portland, Oregon - the 
interstate through Spokane or via highway 12 through Lewiston? With regard 
to travel time, scenery, possible bad weather--travelling Oct. 21-23.

Thanx in advanx
M.E.

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From: nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos)
Subject: Hilton Head, SC recommendations
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:39:31 GMT


I will be in Hilton Head South Carolina in the beginning of
November.  My gf will be at a conference during the 1st part
of the week (i will be playing tennis!) but the second part
of the week we need someplace to stay.

Anyone have any recommendations where we can stay for 3-4 days
in Hilton Head?  Anyone have any "must-see" suggestions?

thanks


nick


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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:33:02 GMT

betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) wrote: 
->I hate smoke but am not allergic. Someone tipped me off that the 
->top section of a 747 is all non-smoking. The air was quite pleasant up
->there, relatively speaking. Of course, it's not hermetically sealed.

it's also usually (not always, but usually) all business class or
higher up there.

having said that, the upstairs is *very* nice.  you get your own
flight attendants, nobody running through the cabin to get to the wc
in the front, etc.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Charter flights???
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:09:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct17.000920.16466
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


	I have heard that a popular (and cheap) method of flying
	to London/Europe is via chartered flights.  Could someone
	please send me some information on how I would go about
	getting a seat on one of these flights.  And also, how
	reliable are they?  I plan to go to London over my Xmas
	break (18th Dec - 3rd Jan).

	Please reply via e-mail as I'm not a regular reader of 
	this group.

	Thanks in advance.

-- 
Ahmad Z. Che On                     Swallow a toad in the morning if you want
Harvard College                     to encounter nothing more disgusting the
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                                                Nicholas Chamfort (1741-1794)
From: timw@excelsior.math.uh.edu (Tim Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: info on fun caribbean spots
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: timw@excelsior.math.uh.edu (Tim Wade)


 i am looking for a new place in the caribbean similar to cancun -
lots to do during the day, great beaches... but also alot of fun
at night. suggestions i have gotten include jamaica, aruba, and 
sint maarten. anyone know anything about these places or maybe
have other suggestions? also, there is a large group of us going,
and some people are on a limited budget. we will be going in early
may next year. any help is greatly appreciated.
please reply to:

timw@wrc.unr.edu
thanks
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bisbalr@pell1l7.alleg.edu (Rodrigo Bisbal)
Subject: WANTED : Touristic Recreational Info
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:38:14 GMT

We are a group of 50-60 international students in Allegheny College,  
Meadville, PA.  1 1/2 hours from Pitt and Cleveland. We want information  
about possible trips to visit interesting sites around our area (National  
Parks, Big metropolis, scenery sites, amusement, etc ). We are a very  
enthusiastic and active international group.  
Please any suggestions or plans will be very appreciated.
--> Reply to :  bisbalr@alleg.edu
or :   International Club
       Box 65
       Allegheny College
       Meadville, PA 16335

-Rodrigo Bisbal, President
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: fm13@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de ()
Subject: Re: Vancouver BC, west side, where to stay?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:39:41 GMT
Organization: RUM
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It's still bad, but it's west of downtown (the Youth Hostel).
Andreas
fm13@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de
From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:56:27 GMT
Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney

In article <16879E39F.STU@mwvm.mitre.org>, STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
|> I have a similar problem - severe nose bleeds and substantial discomfort.
|>  
|> Quantas is beginning to offer totally non-smoking flights - call them and
|> ask if they have one available to your area.  If not, contact the airline.
|>  
I believe that all flights on Qantas are smoke-free, due to Australian government
legislation (I can't guarantee this, however).

By the way, please note the spelling of Qantas - there is no "u". The name
derives from the airlines original name:

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	Territory
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:39:37 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

twriter1@pencom.com wrote:
> My husband and I would like to take a trip to Europe one of these days.
> The problem is he is EXTREMELY  sensitive to cigarette smoke (projectile
> vomiting, etc.).  The non-smoking section of an airplane just wouldn't do
> the trick for him I fear.  He has said he would wear an oxygen mask (or
> gas mask--I'm not sure what it is, but it's huge) for the flight over.
> I'm afraid he'd be horribly uncomfortable.  
> Has anyone out there had this problem and overcome it somehow?  Is there
> any way to get to Europe in a non-smoking environment other than on a ship?

Well, he'd be doing the rest of us a favour by going anyway and vomiting
over as many smokers as possible...

Another idea is suggested by something I read about the El Al Amsterdam
crash: that cargo plane was carrying one passenger.  So at least some
airlines take passengers on cargo planes, and if you could also ensure that
your crew didn't smoke, that would solve your problem.  At a price,
presumably.  Anyone out there flown on a cargo plane?

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From: paula@tfs.com (Paula Peres)
Subject: JFK-SFO Ticket for Sale
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: rec.travel
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:01:42 GMT

One way ticket, female only, Delta Airlines, December 11th -
can be changed with $25.00 charge.

$100

Respond to net or 510-843-9517.


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From: nironen@ntc02.tele.nokia.fi (Pasi Nironen , OH2BKX)
Subject: Need ticket EU->USA
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:17:54 GMT


	Hello world


	I need a cheep ticket from N-europe (Stokholm,Oslo,Copenhagen...) 
	to USA (somewhere eastcost) in Oct-Nov-Dec or Jan.
	Any good ideas?

	Cheers
		Pasi
-- 


         "Don't panic,skydiving makes a lot of sense"  -El Al,1992
             Helsinki Institute of Technology PASI@FINHIT.HIT.FI
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From: prabhag@nicolle.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Prabha Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Info on Florida Keys
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:41:26 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: prabhag@nicolle.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Prabha Ganapathy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: nicolle.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: prabhag@nicolle.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu



I'm planning on visiting the Florida Keys area around Thanksgiving. I would like to
get some info on what are the things to do around there and what the weather conditions are like during that part of the year.

Thanks
Prabha 
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:22:21 GMT
Followup-To: Exchanging money in Europe
Summary: Visa cards in Spain
Keywords: Visa, Spain

One exception to the use of Visa in Spain, at least in Catalunya and
Valencia, is gas stations. Unless you are travelling on the
Autopistas--the major highways, most gas stations won't take credit
cards. Since the tolls on Spanish superhighways are outrageous, we
often travel on the smaller roads. One exasperating experience with no
gas and no money and expectations of being able to use our cards was
enough. Other than this, I agree about Visa. I have travelled
extensively in France, Belgium, Holland, Northern Spain and the coast,
and England and have never had trouble using my Visa card, even in
tiny little village hotels. In England and France as well, I could
usually find an ATM that would take my  Plus system card.
From: css@boa.ccsf.caltech.edu (Chris Shenton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cheap {m|h}otels in downtown Seattle?
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:18:51
Organization: Hughes/STX, Lanham, MD
NNTP-Posting-Host: boa.ccsf.caltech.edu

I'm looking for a dirt-cheap, no-frills place to sleep in Downtown
Seattle, or maybe the University district (ie: close to [brew]pubs :-).
Just a bed, not a cable tv, air conditioned, continental breakfast
kind of place.

I've stayed in the heart of San Fransisco and Paris for about
$30/night, and figure I should be able to find something comparable.
Any recommendations??

Thanks a lot!
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Honeymoon in Scotland
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Reply-To: kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu 
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:21:47 GMT
 

In article <1992Oct6.190355.16894@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> thigpen@lambda.msfc.
nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
>My fiance has mentioned Scotland as a candidate for a honeymoon. Is this 
>a good candidate? 
>
>What kind of attractions / activities are available (August, '93)?
>

I can't think of anywhere I would rather go on a honeymoon than to
Scotland.  It has a magic quality about it that I have found nowhere
else I have ever been (and I have travelled all over the South Pacific,
Caribbean, and parts of Europe).  Edinburgh (even though it is a city
and not in the country) is absolutely enchanting.  In August, they 
hold a huge festival at Edinburgh Castle which should not be missed.
At this time of year, the days are long with the sun not completely 
setting until around 9:00 to 9:30PM.  But what is even more amazing is
watching the moon rise from behind the hills at night.  If you get
an evening with a full moon, it seems to make the entire city glow as
it creeps up into the sky.  I found just walking around the city,
strolling through beautiful parks, stopping to do shopping for local
goods (you can't go home without a kilt!), visiting various historical
sites, and "going pubbing" enough to fascinate me for my week there.
And the people are just as amazing as the country.  They are so
warm and friendly and make you feel as if you have fallen back
into a time when things were simpler and less chaotic.

If you really want to "get away from it all", the Scottish Highlands
make for a beautiful backdrop with some of the most breathtaking scenery
I have encountered.  However, there is not much to do there except sit
back, relax, and enjoy the view.

I know not everyone feels the way I do about this place, but I would
go back Scotland in a minute if I had the means . . .

Happy honeymooning :-)

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

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From: scm@cbnews.cb.att.com (shishir.c.modi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Singapore information needed
Keywords: singapore
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:00:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Oct16.200011.4301
Organization: AT&T

I plan to be in Singapore for few days with family.
Any recommendation for a decent hotel in Singapore? I am not looking
for a luxury hotel, but something that is safe and decent.

What can one do in Singapore in couple of days? I plan to travel in
in mid January. What kind of weather to expect? 

Any other suggestion for Singapore or travel tips would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


-- 
Shishir Modi
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
scm@cblpe.ATT.COM
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From: K111118@ALIJKU11.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Rafting in Indonesia
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:28:27 GMT
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center

Hello,
could anyone help me to find infos about rivers in
Somalia or Bali? Friends of me will go there and they
have no information about it.
Thanks       Walter (Austria)
             K111118@alijku11.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Netherlands
Date: 14 Oct 1992 09:08:15 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Netherlands
============================================================
Netherlands - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in the Netherlands is located 
in The Hague at Lange Voorhout 102; telephone (31) (70) 310-9209.  
There is also a Consulate General in Amsterdam at Museumplein 19; 
telephone (31) (20) 664-5661.

Country Description:  The Netherlands is a highly developed stable 
democracy with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities are widely 
available.

Entry Requirements:  A visa is not required for tourist or business 
stays up to 90 days.  For further information concerning entry 
requirements for the Netherlands, travelers can contact the Embassy 
of the Netherlands at 4200 Linnean Avenue N.W., Washington, DC 
20008, tel (202) 328-4800, or the nearest Dutch Consulate General in 
Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, or New York.

Medical Facilities:  Medical facilities are widely available.  U.S. 
medical insurance is not always valid outside the United States.  
Travelers have found that in some cases, supplemental medical 
insurance with specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  
Further information on health matters can be obtained from the 
Centers for Disease Control's international travelers hotline on 
(404) 332-4559.

Crime Information:  The Netherlands has a low crime rate.  
Nevertheless, as in any country, crime does occur in city centers.  
Visitors to Amsterdam can become targets of pickpockets, bag 
snatchers, and thefts from autos in and around the central train 
station and in the adult entertainment district.  U.S. citizens can 
refer to the Department of State's pamphlet, "A Safe Trip Abroad" 
for ways to promote a more trouble-free voyage.  The pamphlet is 
available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government 
Printing Office, Washington DC 20402.

Drug Penalties:  The Netherlands enforces strict penalties for drug 
possession and trafficking, when significant quantities or hard 
drugs are involved.

Registration:  Americans who register in the Consular Section of 
the U.S. Embassy or at the Consulate in Amsterdam can obtain updated 
information on travel and security within the area.

 No. 92-038

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From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.legal
Subject: guns & travel
Keywords: guns, interstate travel
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:33:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Hello, a friend of mine will be travelling from Florida to New York City
with his wife and small child. He wants to bring either a pistol or
a rifle with him but is worried about the legalities of doing so.
Questions he asked were: should he take a pistol or a rifle? Should it
be kept in the trunk of the car? He has been in compromising positions
before with muggers (he's from New York) and he is responsible when
it comes to weapon safety (separation of ammo and weapon, trigger locks,
proper storage, etc). 

Who should he contact to find out the laws in the states between FL and
NY? Thanks.

Nick
H
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From: greve@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP (Ron Greve)
Subject: Hong Kong & Taiwan advice needed!
Organization: /users/greve/.organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:10:56 GMT

								04-10-15

Konnichiwa mina-san,

In the beginning of December I have a flight from Tokyo to Amsterdam and 
I can make a stop-over in both Taiwan and Hong Kong. I think in total I 
can spend about 3 a 4 weeks for travelling.

How many days would you advice to stay in Taiwan and Hong Kong each?
What is interesting to see in these countries? What kind of
places/things should I definitely go to/do?

Is it advisable to travel to China and/or Macau from Hong Kong? 

What should be my budget for 3 a 4 weeks?

What are the best (cheapest) places to stay in Hong Kong and Taiwan? Any
popular youth hostels?

Are Hong Kong and Taiwan safe countries? I mean is it dangereous for a 
foreigner to walk alone over street at night? Many pick-pockers?

Sayonara,
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From: callahanj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Sable Island - seeking info
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:28:05 GMT

Has anyone ever travelled and stayed on Sable Island, Nova Scotia?  I have
always been fascinated with this relic of the acient lands of the coastal
shelf.  I believe it is off limits to civilians and is some sort of military
base but I am not sure.

Does anyone know more?

John

CALLAHAN@LIBVAX.ULOWELL.EDU 
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