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From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:36:27 GMT

quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:

>maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet) writes:

>>In article <ukutqf0@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, sean_murphy@quixote.wpd.sgi.com (Sean Murphy) writes:
>>|> It seems to me that the Star Trek rank system is based on the Navy's 
>>|> system. In the Navy, Chief is a enlisted rank and not that of an officer.
>>|> I wish that Star Trek would clarify if O'Brien is an officer or an enlisted
>>|> man. I feel that the non-commisioned officers and enlisted personnel on
>>|> ST should have different types of uniforms so that you can easily distinguish
>>|> their rank.

>    This would go against the military side of Star Fleet. I don't think it
>would be a good thing if the enemy knew for sure who the officers are.

>>     My theory is that O'Brian was enlisted with the honorary rank of Lieutenant.
>>Kinda like Troi. (Honorary LT.Comm) Later, he may have decided to enter the chain

>   I wasn't aware that Trois rank was honorary. When was this said?

On a side note, in Deep Space nine, an ensign called O'Brien 'Sir.', which means
he's above an ensign, who is an officer. therefore, O'Brien is an officer.
Joe


>                                           Don Sowell
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From: emm@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Wendigo)
Subject: Re: Story ideas for someone..
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:33:05 GMT

Talking of random story ideas, I was thinking the other day
that it would be interesting if Max Headroom got into the
Enterprise computer...
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From: randib@alcatraz.gvg.tek.com (Randi Briggs)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: 1991 Starship Enterprise Ornament
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:47:28 GMT
Reply-To: randib@alcatraz.gvg.tek.com (Randi Briggs)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Hi I'm a newbe to the group and I wanted to let anyone who was
interested that I have access to sell some 1991 starship Enterprise
christmas ornaments. The current Hallmark greenbook value is
$200.00 and that is the asking price. It's seems high until you
consider that the price will be even higher next christmas. They are
new and unopened. If anyone is interested respond to me directly and
I will get the information to you.
From: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:20:42 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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( Informed and uninformed discussion of the ranks on O'Brian, Troi,
Crusher, anyone else and the engineering equivalents of redshirts
(background people to absore the blast with their bodies in case some
thing goes wrong so that the main characters' hair won't be messed up))

Does anyone else have the feeling that this rank problem is just one 
big joke by the producers and writers of the show?  $0.02 says that
they're reading this discussion and laughing their heads off.

Bill O'Connor              | In the course of human events,
Marquette University       | there is always one person who
2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu| will mess things up.
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Re: Help needed with storyline idea
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:09:54 GMT

If you want to do a military type StarTrek story, I strongly reccomend that 
you do it outside starfleet. You could have the principle players be
Andorians (they were a reletivly militeristc space going culture in TOS.
Maybe the reason we haven't seen them in TNG is because they are busy
dealing with a civil war?). One advantage of this is that Andorian space
technology is much more primitive than the Feds, so while spacecraft would
help in a planetbound battle, they would not be the dominent factor.

Also, a sub plot could be trying to avoid Fed intervention (or maybe to 
cause it? If one side is lossing really bad, they might start attacking
neutral ship, hoping to frame the enemy and get the Feds to come in on their
side.

As to the Feds having high power hand weapons - we saw one episode in which
romulans were giving away fake Fed phasor rifles. My perception is that Feds
could also have backpack sized sheild generators, and grenades, but that
they would not use implant weaponry - It makes a person into a warrior
permenantly, and that is very much against Fed traditions.
The Feds main advantage should be strategic - their ability to move troops
and to provide them with better equipment, and outstanding support fire from
space.

The main reason alien races would not want the Feds interfering, is because
the Fed would try to stop the fighting. Very counter-productive if you are
trying to invade that neighboring planet that is "rightfully" yours.

Anyway, good luck w/ the story,
Anton
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From: v128juxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SCHUYJUANNAH)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: DS9: The Themesong
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:28:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY@Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan7.231554.1866@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes...
>Since "Deep Space 9" doesn't have a voice-over, I thought that we could
>at least have a themesong for it.  What about this one?
> 
>--------------------
> 
>(To the music of "Guilligan's Island", first season.)
> 
>The first officer was a might fighting woman
>The Captain brave and sure.
>Five crewmembers set sail that day
>on a two-hour premier... a two-hour premier.
> 
>        (Sounds of Cardassians attacking station: rumble rumble.)
> 
>The Kardasians started getting rough.
>The tiny station was tossed.
>If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
>The station would be lost... the station would be lost.
> 
>The station set "ground" on the shore of this uncharted wormhole
>With Kira.
>The Commander too.
>O'Brien and his wife.
>The Ferrengi.
>And the rest
>Are here on "Deep Space Nine".
> 
>--------------------
> 
>Any comments?

Yea, what about the first stanza, 'sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
a tale of a sailing ship'.....etc..? You didn't make up lyrics for it!

Otherwise, it's good.
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Subject: Re: Outpost 23
From: jcharpak@acs.bu.edu (Joseph Charpak)
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:41:01 GMT
Distribution: Anywhere, and Everywhere
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Keywords: Outpost 23, Neutral Zone
Summary: Outpost 23 is on edgs of Neutral Zone

In article <1993Jan12.180247.8279@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> sosc1092@wc14.writer.yorku.ca (Vijay Doobay) writes:
>Hey All
>
>Just a general question.  In some of the Star Trek: The Next Generation,  
>there is mention that the Romulans want to know the co-ordinates of  
>OUTPOST 23.  What is the big deal with outpost 23? Is that the key to  
>StarFleet Defences??  I mean, it must have some value to the Federation!?
>
I believe that in the episode in question( the one where Riker thinks
he wakes up in the future, but in reality he is on a Romulan Holodeck
but in the *real* reality his mind is being messed around with by an alien
kid...) they mention that Outpost 23 in on the edge of the Romulan/Federation
Neutral Zone, and it's location is secret, so yes in a way it the key
to Starfleet's Defences.
(All this techno-babble so my machine will let me post my one line summary)



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From: jason@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Jason Breti)
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 22:09:55 GMT
Organization: University of Regina


The CD is "Ol' Yellow Eyes is Back", by Brent Spiner.  The label is Bay
Cities - Milan, 873125, Bar code (if this helps) 4-007198-731255.  This
was a French import, which is probably why it's hard to find.  Copyright
is (c) 1991 Brent Spiner, (c) 1991 Bay Cities Inc. 

Songs:

Time After Time (3:05)
The Very Thought of You (3:09)
More than you know (3:19)
Toot Toot Tootsie (1:33)
Embraceable You (2:51)
It's A Sin (To Tell A Lie) (2:37)
   - backup vocals by the "Sunspots" (LeVar Burton, Michael Dorn, Jonathan
				      Frakes, Patrick Stewart)
Long, Long Time (2:17)
Carolina In the Morning (2:47)
Marie (3:29)
Zing! Went the Strings of My Heart (2:21)
When I Fall In Love (3:48)
Goodnight, Sweetheart (2:11)


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From: quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:09:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  ) writes:

>THIS IS THE POST TO END ALL SPECULATION ON O'BRIEN'S RANK!

   If such a thing existed, this thread wouldn't still be around...

[TNG Companion stuff omitted]

>Any more questions?

   Yes, what's the copywrite date of the manual? Is it canon? Why can't they
make up their minds on how many pips O'Brien should have? Why does the
novelization say he's becomeing an officer? Why did Worf's father refer to
Miles as an enlisted man?


    Anyway, you asked :)

                                  Don Sowell
From: jfy@cis.ksu.edu (Joseph F. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek story archive (weekly FAQ -- automated posting)
Followup-To: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 10 Jan 1993 11:58:48 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
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Summary: Description of archive of ST stories and how to access it
Keywords: Stories, FTP, Mail Server, ST, TNG

Last updated: 18 Dec 92

------------------------------FTP--------------------------------------
I've seen many inquiries about an anonymous ftp archive for the
stories that appear in alt.startrek.creative.  As others have
mentioned, I maintain an archive on ftp.cis.ksu.edu (129.130.10.80) in
the directory /pub/alt.startrek.creative.  All files are compressed using
the ZIP format, used by INFO-ZIP's "zip" and "unzip" and PK-WARE's "pkzip"
and "pkunzip" programs, among others.
Programs, both in binary and source form, to handle this format are available
on other archive sites.
If you cannot find a program to handle ZIP files, use the
archive mail server described below.

If you find a story that I've missed, especially any of the ones that
appeared early in the life of this group or in the rec.arts.startrek.*
groups, mail it to me (jfy@cis.ksu.edu) or upload it to /pub/upload on
the archive site.

If you have any contributions to the archive, suggestions, etc. you
may also email them to me.

-----------------------------Mail--------------------------------------
For all those unfortunates who don't have Internet ftp access, I've
setup a mailserver to provide access to the archives on
ftp.cis.ksu.edu.

This mailserver can be contacted via mail one of the following
addresses:

...!rutgers!depot!mailserver  (UUCP)
mailserver@cis.ksu.edu        (Internet)

The server accepts commands given in the body of the mail messages;
help is available with the command "help".  

A listing of the files in
the story archive may be obtained by "dir -l /pub/alt.startrek.creative".

Since the story archive consists of ZIP files, they must
be uuencoded before they are sent on their way.  To specify this mode,
use the command "encode uuencode"  To retrieve the files, use the
"send" command (ex:  send /pub/alt.startrek.creative/story/tng/TheMoralsOfWar.zip

If you have a system which cannot handle ZIP files, you may use
the "unzip" filter ("encode unzip") 
which will send you the uncompressed (but not uuencoded) version of the file.

Here is an example mail message:

% Mail mailserver@cis.ksu.edu
Subject: request 
help
encode uue     
send /pub/alt.startrek.creative/story/tng/TheMoralsOfWar.zip
^D
%

Please note that this is completely experimental and is not bug free.
Questions and problems about this mailserver may be directed to
"mailserver-reply@cis.ksu.edu".



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Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 23:49:37 EST
From: <IK90103@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Episodes...in order?

I have a list of the episodes after redemption II but I don't know where they b
elong in cronological order.  Can anyone help?
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From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: DS9: The Themesong
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:15:54 GMT

Since "Deep Space 9" doesn't have a voice-over, I thought that we could
at least have a themesong for it.  What about this one?

--------------------

(To the music of "Guilligan's Island", first season.)

The first officer was a might fighting woman
The Captain brave and sure.
Five crewmembers set sail that day
on a two-hour premier... a two-hour premier.

        (Sounds of Cardassians attacking station: rumble rumble.)

The Kardasians started getting rough.
The tiny station was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
The station would be lost... the station would be lost.

The station set "ground" on the shore of this uncharted wormhole
With Kira.
The Commander too.
O'Brien and his wife.
The Ferrengi.
And the rest
Are here on "Deep Space Nine".

--------------------

Any comments?
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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:36:25 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Bill Mallon (billma@utoday.com) wrote:
:     TV Guide recently printed a letter and brief reply about a new album entitled 
: "Old Yellow Eyes Is Back," by Brent Spiner And The Stargazers (Stewart, Frakes, 
: Dorn & Burton). Unfortunately, they didn't mention the label it's on or where it's 
: available.
:     Hey, I GOTTA have it. A dear friend (who counts Shatner's "Lucy in The Sky 
: With Diamonds" album as one of her odd-but-prized-anyway possessions) tried 
: several music shops in the New York City/Long Island area, but alas, to no avail.

Is that the same album (the Shatner one) that has Leonard Nimoy doing
CCR's, "Proud Mary"?  (I shit you not -- it exists.)

Anyway, try to get a hold of the catalog of TNG collectibles and
merchandise, probably available through StarLog magazine -- I've seen the
'Stargazers' album advertised there.

Colin

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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: DS9: The Themesong
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:14:31 GMT


>>Sit Right Back and view a tale,
>>A tale of a fate full trip...
>>That started near this gaping hole
>>Aboard a ram sacked ship...
>
>No, the meter is wrong.  This is a little better:
>
>
>(To the music of "Gilligan's Island", first season.)
>
>Now sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
>A tale of space-age wreck.
>That started as a spin-off
>Of a spin-off of Star Trek.
>
>The first officer was a fighting woman
>The Captain brave and sure.
>Five crewmembers set sail that day
>On a two-hour premier...
>A two-hour premier.
>
>        (Sounds of Cardassians attacking station: rumble rumble.)
>
>The Cardassians started getting rough.
>The tiny station was tossed.
>If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
>The station would be lost...
>The station would be lost.
>
>The station was moved to the edge of this
>Uncharted wormhole
>With Kira.
>And Chief O'Brien.
>The Commander and his son.
>The Ferrengi.
>And the rest
>Are here on "Deep Space Nine".
>-- 
>"Come now Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury; haven't we all been tempted
>to go on a three-state shooting spree from time to time?"  -John Louthan

No the problem here is that the lines dont match the meter of the song nor
do the right lines rhyme except for the cardassian stanza.


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From: Catherine.Collingwood@launchpad.unc.edu (Catherine Collingwood)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:59:18 GMT

I would tend to agree withthe idea that O'Brien is a CPO if it wasn't for
two facts:

The first one is probably very easily shot down, but I remember hearing
somewhere that there are no NCO's in Starfleet.  Like I said, this is 
hearsay and is probably shot down.

The second is that I could clearly see rank pips for Ensign on O'Brien's
uniform, and then later Lt. j.g., and I noticed he's wearing the rank of
full Lieutenant on DS9.  I would tend to believe this markings considering
his treatment of Ensign Ro in "Disaster."  He very clearly thought of her
as his subordinate.

Oh, there is a navy rank above CPO and below an officer, but very few 
people reach it...a friend's father did, and that's how I found out it
exists...Master Chief Petty Officer.  He's basically the highest NCO on
the boat.

Lady Firebird

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From: maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet)
Subject: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:10:31 GMT

In article <ukutqf0@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, sean_murphy@quixote.wpd.sgi.com (Sean Murphy) writes:
|> It seems to me that the Star Trek rank system is based on the Navy's 
|> system. In the Navy, Chief is a enlisted rank and not that of an officer.
|> I wish that Star Trek would clarify if O'Brien is an officer or an enlisted
|> man. I feel that the non-commisioned officers and enlisted personnel on
|> ST should have different types of uniforms so that you can easily distinguish
|> their rank.
|> 
|> 
|> Sean Murphy

     My theory is that O'Brian was enlisted with the honorary rank of Lieutenant.
Kinda like Troi. (Honorary LT.Comm) Later, he may have decided to enter the chain
of command, and Starfleet either: 1) wanted him to be ensign for a while like the
rest of 'em; 2) was too mean, or too dense, to recognise his rank.

Andre'
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Help needed with storyline idea
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 00:41:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.030811.15075@nwnexus.WA.COM> branch@halcyon.com (Frank Lee Branch) writes:
>This is a quick guess, but in Star Trek 5 didn't Kirk assault a
>terrorist take over of a joint outpost with phasers and on horseback.
>Certainly if Star Fleet had real marines or commando's this would be an
>awfully silly gesture.

Yeah, but then again, ST V was an awfully silly movie. The horseback scene
was just put in so that Shatner could show off his horseback-riding skills.

Face it, ST V was just a huge ego trip on William Shatner's part...


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Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet)
Subject: Re: Troi's rank. (Was: Re: What rank is Chief O'Brien?)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:52:13 GMT

In article <1ishljINNdk7@shelley.u.washington.edu>, quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:
> maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet) writes:
> 
	[A bit deleted]

>>     My theory is that O'Brian was enlisted with the honorary rank of Lieutenant.
>>Kinda like Troi. (Honorary LT.Comm) Later, he may have decided to enter the chain
> 
>    I wasn't aware that Trois rank was honorary. When was this said?
> 
> 
>                                            Don Sowell

	In the episode (title?) where Picard get's trapped in the turbolift with
three kids, and where LaForge and Crusher (Bev) face a plasma fire. Ro, O'Brian,
and Troi are the only three on the bridge. Ro and O'Brian both turn to Troi and
say something like "So what do we do?"  Troi is confused. O'Brian explains that 
while her rank is honorary, she is still ranking officer (Lt.Comm).
	I'd love to quote this, but my memory is good ... not perfect. 8^)

Andre'
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From: collofel@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Upsilon Pi Epsilon)
Subject: ST V
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:54:00 GMT

  For all those who have been knocking on STV, keep in mind that the
bulk of the movie is a dream that was dreamt while they were in
Yosemite.  Obviously, one can not say that it is definately a
dream; but, one can not say it definately isn't either.

eDerek MerrillKeywords:  


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