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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:52:28 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 264

In this issue:
                        Matt's Wisconsin QueEry
                      domestic violence and gender
                        Allen Gathmen's request
                           Letter I received
       (None -- partial burst of GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 25)
                         First Elected Lesbian
                           Jarman's Edward II
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 263
                               rotc story
                        Society for LGB Studies
                        WILLIAMS GAY PRIDE WEEK
                            pro-choice march
                  Queer Nation National Phone/Fax Zap
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 263
                          Canadian Questions?
                             Nu? York Times
                        Anna Quindlen (NY Times)
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 263

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 12:39 CDT
From: Daniel Kodner <KODNER@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject: Matt's Wisconsin QueEry

Matt -  yes indeed, there is gay life here in Madison.  I'm not as active in the
community as I used to be, so I'll reply to you in email, but if there are other
Madisonians online, please post!!  Haven't noticed any in a while...

Dan

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Date: 08 Apr 1992 10:46:04 -0800 (PST)
From: PNARDI@PITZER.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject: domestic violence and gender

Brian Evans' assertions that men are victims of domestic violence from women at
rates similar to women from men, and that it is not due primarily to self-
defense, need to be refuted before these misinterpretations of social science
are perpetuated. I recommend that Evans and others read "The Myth of Sexual
Symmetry in Marital Violence" by R. Dobash, E. Dobash, M. Wilson, & M. Daly, in
SOCIAL PROBLEMS, V. 39, N. 1, Feb., 1992. Their argument is that data supporting
what Evans claims to be true are mostly based on the "Confilict Tactics Scales,"
a checklist of self-reported items that is neither reliable nor valid; that
motives for violence are not assessed, thereby ignoring that uses of violence
differ greatly between husbands and wives; and that homicides in non-US
countries is not equally committed by husbands and wives, and in the US where
there is similar proportion of homicides, the patterns are different. The
authors claim that "men often kill wives after lengthy periods of prolonged
physical violence....men perpetrate familicidal massacres....men commonly hunt
down and kill wives who have left them....men kill in response to revelations
of wifely infidelity..." -- and wives rarely kill for these reasons or in these
ways. Furthermore, they claim "The evidence is overwhelming that a large
proportion of the spouse-killings perpetrated by wives, but almost none of
those perpetrated by husbands, are acts of self-defense. Unlike men, women kill
male partners after years of suffering physical violence, after they have
exhausted all available sources of assistance, when they feel trapped, and
because they fear for their own lives."  Be aware of the debates and be open
to various interpretations of crime data before spreading information that
is divisive, inaccurate, and that can have serious policy implications.
Peter Nardi, Prof. of Sociology, Pitzer College (of the Claremont Colleges)

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:07:12 EDT
From: dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
Subject: Allen Gathmen's request

I would love to see all those things which Allen Gathman is requesting in
the previous post, I just didn't think to ask for them all - so if you are
sending that info to his e mail address, please send it to mine as well.
David E. Woolwine                         717-337-6187
Sociology and Anthropology Department     dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
Gettysburg College
Gettysburg, PA 17325

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet,soc.motss
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Letter I received
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:10:30 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

AMLONO01@UKCC.uky.edu writes:

<fundraising letter from ASTRAE deleted>

>ASTRAEA
>National Lesbian Action Foundation
>666 Broadway, Suite 520
>New York, NY 10012-2317

Did anyone see the stunningly misogynistic article in CHRISTOPHER STREET about
how lesbians have manipulated the minds of gay men in making them think that
they don't support each other in the AIDS crisis and that lesbians have been
doing a vast share of AIDS volunteer work? It was SCARY! The thesis was that
only 12% of Shanti Project [San Francisco]'s volunteers were lesbian, which
is less than ``one would generally be expected to believe'' and that it was all
a plot by lesbians and feminists to subjugate gay men. It's really a sequel to
the antifeminist screed ``Is Feminism Hurting gay Men'' from  acouple months
ago.

Does anyone read this stuff and what do they think about it? I'm thinking of
cancelling our subscription, but I want to see "what will they think of next?"



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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: (None -- partial burst of GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 25)
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:14:04 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

fsteele@helix.nih.gov writes:


>Fintan...out and about

>P.S.  For those at the rally yesterday for women's rights, it was
>incredible, wasn't it???!!

Yes!! It seemed like the population was around TWENTY percent gay, atleast!
There were pink triangles and same-sex couples holding hands all over the
place.

Plus the PINK TRIANGLE WITH "CHOICE" buttons were popular, too. A lot of the
people wearuing them were straight, too. [Atleast that is what they said whem
we tried to interview them for HOMO RADIO]

>Fintan---Out and About

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford

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Date:    Wed, 08 Apr 92 13:19 CDT
From: C60RBR1%NIU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: First Elected Lesbian

The lesbian who was first to be elected to public office in the
United States was Nancy Wechsler of the Ann Arbor Human Rights
Party in 1972. She and gay man Jerry Degrieck did not come out as
gay and lesbian until seven months after taking office.For anyone
who wants the full story, get hold of Anthony Ralph Smith's 1980
dissertation from the University of Illinois " College Town
Radicals: The Case of the Ann Arbor Human Rights Party-"they
have a copy they'll lend out.
     Any more questions? As keeper of the microfilm collection of
the Midwest gay press, there is a lot here aT Northern Illinois
University that we can draw on.
     Thanks for the article on the Pink Angels.

                                            Rob Ridinger

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Jarman's Edward II
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:23:27 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

PNARDI@PITZER.CLAREMONT.EDU writes:

>I've seen Derek Jarman's "Edward II" and it is defiantly and definitely pro-
>gay in a very postmodern sense and style. There are scenes of men passionately
>kissing men, scenes with the London activist group Outrage, and other things
>typically censored by Hollywood movies. Support it. At the benefit screening in
>LA, Jarman spoke in person and said that England's BBC would be carrying the
>film during prime-time and uncut! Imagine even PBS doing that here? It's
 openingin other cities I believe this weekend.

Hopefully it will still be showing in LA when I get there the first week of
May.

>Anyone else note that all the media reported the huge march for pro-choice by
>stating it was the largest march ever since the civil rights days. ARe they
 still forgetting the Lesbian and Gay March on Washington in 1987. Let them hear
 from you about this. Peter Nardi

Well,,I hope people on the MOW 93 steering committee have been working with
the NOW people on ways to count attendees. An AP story run by the NYT on
Monday stated that there are always conflicts about counts and they mentioned
that in 87 organisers said their march had 500 000 and the Park Service said
200 000 and a similar ratio occurred in the 70s during a Anti-Vietnam rally.
However, EVEN the Oark Service claimed that the pro-Choice march had 500 000,
and this was at around 3pm when NOW released the figure 700 000 to the press
because they had deadlines to get in on the nightly news. But actually people
were still coming in and most likely there were between 750 000 and 1 000 000
people there. The DC metro had it's record day for use. Also, NOW had people
going around colecting names of attendees. So hopefully if they compile all
those names in a few weeks they might be able to release an accurate count.


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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 14:24:36 EDT
From: flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu>
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 263

          re: CAMPUS POLICIES
          2 people in the previous Digest asked about campuses with
          anti-discrimination policies, so I will reply to the net
          concerning mine.
          The University of Pennsylvania added 'sexual orientation' to
          the list of protected categories in January, 1978. This
          protection refers to discrimination "in the administration
          of its educational policies, programs, or activities,
          admissions policies, recreational, athletic, or other
          University administered programs," and applies to employees
          (including faculty), students and applicants for these
          positions. The Office of Affirmative Action is directed by
          Joann Mitchell, 1133 Blockley Hall, Phila. PA 19104-6021
          (215-898-6993). Another resource is Robert Schoenberg,
          Associate Director of Student Life and Coordinator of
          Programs for Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Students; Houston
          Hall, 3417 Spruce, Phila 19104 (215-898-5004).
          Good Luck
          Larry Gross

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: rotc story
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:26:21 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

awerling@NMSU.Edu writes:

>Well, the ROTC story I was working on finally went to press this past
>weekend.  I have some addresses here of people who wanted me to
>send them copies, but for safety, would anyone interested please
>write me *again*?  Thanks.

What ROTC story? Which press? How long is it? Why not just post it to the net?
I'd like to see it.

>Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford

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Date:         Wed, 08 Apr 92 14:27:32 EDT
From: Michael Montgomery <MICHAEL%PUCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      Society for LGB Studies

My latest issue of the ALA/GLTF Newsletter states: "Anyone who would like
more information on the newly organized Society for Lesbian, Gay, and Bi-
sexual Studies should contact Kevin Kopelson, Dept. of English, Univ. of
Iowa, 308 English-Philosophy Building, Iowa City, IA 55242.  The Society is
soliciting CV's for consideration for Executive Board positions."
                                                                 Mike

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: WILLIAMS GAY PRIDE WEEK
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:31:25 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

94SNH@williams.edu writes:

>Fri 17th:
>WHITE SHIRT DAY:  WEAR A WHITE SHIRT IN SUPPORT OF LESBIAN, GAY, AND
>BISEXUAL RIGHTS
 Now this is interesting. Do you think this works better than having a
 Blue Jeans Day? How many people/colleges are cekebrating National Blue Jeans
Day anyway?

>7:00 pm  Poetry Reading:  Essex Hemphill:  "The emerging voice of black
>gay men."  Griffin Hall, Rm. 3
Wow! Essex Hemphill! I had heard that he was sick. Has he comfirmed his
attendance and how did you get him [my eyes glow with jealousy]?

>Sorry for the length.  Bye!
Fuhgeddaboutit! I think Williams is pretty close to RPI actually [30 minutes
maybe].


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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: pro-choice march
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:34:15 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

Thanalakshmi.Subramaniam@Dartmouth.EDU writes:

>i , too, do not know if it was the largest march or whatever but i was there
>and by three-thirty, the organisers announced they had 3/4 mill. people
>accounted for and scads more filling the other end. i'd say we had close to a
>million pissed-off pple there and maybe 80 anti-choice demonstrators at the
>most. how big was the 87 queer rts march?

Shimi, baby! Imagine us both being there and not running into each other! :-(
Oh well... :-) It was cool, though, wasn't it?

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:00:10 -0400
From: saltzman@nimitz.nrl.navy.mil (Lawrence Saltzman)
Subject: Queer Nation National Phone/Fax Zap

QN/NC has become involved in action around a government contractor which is
discriminating against one of our own.  A Queer National is being harrassed
and abused for, can you imagine, being VISIBLY Queer.  This QNer has worn
a shirt to the no-dress-code worksite which reads "One Fabulous Queer."  The
employer, a contractor for the US Navy (Boo!  Hiss!!) informed the employee
that the company has "a normal dress code" and that such "flaunting of sexuality
offends our very, very conservative client."  The employee, as someone working
in the District of Columbia, is fully portected under the law from discriminatio
n and harrassment on the basis of sexual orientation or personal appearance.

When the employee informed upper management of intent to file a complaint with
the DC Gov't, he was put on 60-day probation, removed from all administrative
responsibilities, given his own, personal dress code and schedule of arrival
and departure, demoted to a position subordinate to a co-worker who had been
reporting to him and was told repeatedly that being visibly Queer was "offensive
, offensive offensive"  and "unacceptable."  Further actions were then taken
against this employee; freelance clients were told by the Queers management
that this "guy had a real attitude problem...was a troublemaker..."  Then
the Queer was accused in front of witnesses of altering government records
and falsifying evidence regarding his timesheet.  The company continues to
micromanage and harrass this Queer.

The Company in question is KESTREL ASSOCIATES, INC.
                           5205 LEESBURG PIKE
                           SUITE 905
                           FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041

                           tel. (703) 379-2261
                           fax. (703) 379-2264

The employee is Lawrence Saltzman, and he works at the Naval Research Laboratory
.  He is a member of QN/Nat Cap and needs your help on this one. so please,

ZAP THESE FOLKS---PHONE 'EM, FAX 'EM, WRITE 'EM!!!  Tell Louvonia P. Wilson,
the President of the company that discrimination in any form, and especially in
the name of serving the military is DISGUSTING AND UNACCEPTABLE!!!  TELL THIS
BLACK WOMAN MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESS THAT NOT ALL MINORITIES ARE PROTECTED
CLASSES AND WERE NOT ALWAYS PROTECTED CLASSES.  MAKE THESE PEOPLE CRAZY!!!!

Thanks so much.  I really appreciate this.

L.

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Date:         Wed, 08 Apr 92 15:59:48 EDT
From: Bill Beeman <WBEEMAN@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject:      Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 263

Once again, Brown University and ALL Ivy league schools have
non-discrimination policies specifically noting "sexual
orientation."  For Brown, one can contact the office
of University Relations to get a copy of the statement.  The
other Ivy's will also be happy to provide this.

It's hard to believe in this day and age that universities
are still so gun-shy on this issue.

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:49 CST
From: BLISSKW@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Subject: Canadian Questions?

	Hi all,

        I will be graduating from Vanderbilt in May.  I will be moving to
Vancuver Canada to work for Anderson Consulting.  If any of you have info
on either, or have friends there, I'd appreciate hearing from you so I'll
have a better idea of what to expect.
	Please mail me at:
		VANDALDJ@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU
Thanks,
David Van Dalfsen
Vanderbilt
guest on friends account

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:17:02 -0700
From: Jessea N. R. Greenman <jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Nu? York Times

Well, um, er, ah...WHAT about GLAAD?!?!  The improvements Larry Gross
and Mr. Pacheco have noted are no doubt due to the influences they
mentioned(Max Frankel, a new and younger relative of the publishers
taking over, etc.) but also to the 7 years of hard work by GLAAD/NY,
joined these past several years by other GLAAD chapters.
We have a way to go, natch.  For example, the NYT (and many other
media) refuse to include l/g/bi concerns when discussing multiculturalism
in the secondary and elementary schools.  I know this because we've
specifically sent stuff to the NYT about this and they've ignored it.

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Date: 08 Apr 1992 15:23:31 -0800 (PST)
From: PNARDI@PITZER.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject: Anna Quindlen (NY Times)

Congratulations should be sent to NY Times columnist Anna Quindlen for
winning a Pulitzer Prize. She is one of the few columnists in a major
newspaper who consistently writes accurately, positively, and with insight
about issues related to lesbians/gays. From her articles supporting gays in
St. Pat's parades, to lesbians adopting children, to her non-gay articles on
AIDS, on Anita Hill, and other related concerns. Write On!

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From: bchambln@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brad Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 263
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:52:10 GMT
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

I must say that after reading the article about the gay man that died, and the
 article about the "pink angels" (I know I"m bad with names) but, I must say
 that as a 19 year old gay male, that those articles stirred alot of feelings in
 me...
partially because an activist has died..one who is helping to pave everyone's
 way ..esp to make it easier for the younger generation (does that sound okay)?
 and also for those who are looking out for everyone..and trying to help defeat
the hatred towards gays...

Some of you know about my situation...with my homophobic roommate who told me
 that I was sick, perverted, demented and needed to get help...I have had more
 people respond to that then I thought could help me...along with some of you
 who
offered me advice on what to do....well, he also ripped up a poster of mine
the one with the baby and the guy holding it..l'enfant?? or something like
that...and I was pissed...He had his sign up about two guys one standing up
and one bending over with a slash through it that said stop aids...

it's my freshman year at college..and 2nd semester I'm exposed to this shit..
which I've never experienced before...it scared me at first..but now it's made
me stronger...to deal with someone calling you a fag and pounding on your
door..to having guys stare at you funny when you walk down the hall..to
having a sick roommate tell me I"m demented...yes it still hurts..
but I now am going to talk to a lesbian dean about all of this...and see if
anything can be done about it...I'm tired of taking shit from homophobes
who can't understand that people are people no matter if they are gay..
straight..or whatever..black ..white...it doesn't matter..

why can't homophobes just leave people alone and accept us???
why??

bchambln@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu....

"I wish for people to be nice to each other....but it never seems to work"
"Wishing gets you no where you have to speak out sometimes and make yourself
be heard..."

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