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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Nalgene bottle lids (kiss them off!!)
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:21:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.005613.27603@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
>tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
>: 
>: I have moved up to new technology:  lexan!!  I buy coke in a 2 liter bottle
>: (or a 20 oz bottle), just make sure it has a plastic not a metal screw on
>: cap.  Voila -- you get to chug down some good healthy refreshment and
>: get the bottle for FREE!  They are more durable than the nalgene jobs (I
>: still have a couple quart nalgenes, one with cracked lid), they do not hold
>: smells and tastes like nalgene, they don't smell and taste like plastic
>: like nalgene.  I have *never* had them leak.  I use the 20 oz size to fit
>: in my butt-pack, and usually carry two 2-liter bottles in the outer pockets
>: of my Dana (this is the desert after all).  The only disadvantage is the
>: lack of a wide-mouth to shovel in solids, but this can be dealt with, or
>: just carry water.
>
>I have started using Gatorade bottles instead of coke bottles.  The Gatorade
>bottles have a wide mouth (they accept most ice cubes as well as solids).
>When you rip off the plastic label, they also have ridges for easier
>holding.
>
>They are much more robust than Nalgene bottles, and *much* cheaper.


I've been doing this for years.  One new thing that has come along are
those 20oz plastic coke bottles.  They're almost perfect for caving or
day hikes.  I never could justify the weight or expense of nalgene,
when there are perfectly fine alternatives that would otherwise go to
the dump.

-- 
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From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:54:42 GMT
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Crying babies also are members of the family and ruin my camping experience
You want to bring your baby, I want to bring my dog. I'll match experience
for experience and reason for reason. I think it comes down to who makes
the rules for whom?
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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: MSR filter (was: Water treatment article from Am J Pub)
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:37:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.174743.29296@brtph560.bnr.ca> JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com> writes:
>The MSR is a good enough filter but with the following drawbacks:  you
>will need to buy the latest model with all the gimics to make it
>bearable, and even then you will need to be able to hold the out flow
>tube in your mouth and aim it at your water bottle while you pump HARD
>with your hands.

No gimmicks.  Unlike the First Need which needs prefilters or whatever not to
clog, the MSR doesn't.  It's one piece.  Re the outflow, sometimes the tube 
will come out of a bottle, but the pumping is easy and I normally just screw
my Nalgene bottle on anyway, so the outflow tube is not a problem.

>We have rigged ours with clothes pins etc to clip to
>the bottle end, but I always end up with the tube clamped in my teeth,
>unless you have a partner.  

I have never done (or seen anyone do) this.

>The filter even with the external screen add-on clogs QUICKLY.

Nope.  Mine almost never clogs and when it does it's a 30 second job to clean
off the filter.

>Backflushing is questionable, we usually ended up buying
>a new cartridge every year.

A new cartridge every year?  How often do you go out?  What kind of water is
this?  How many years have you used it for?  (It's only been out 2, I believe.)
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
From: mfactor@bbn.com (Mara Factor)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Hiking/backpacking references wanted for Colorado Rockies
Date: 27 Aug 1992 21:40:29 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: mfactor@bbn.com (Mara Factor)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I'll be on vacation in Colorado from September 19 to September 28. I'm
planning on doing day hikes as well as one to three night backpacking
trips.   Can anyone recommend a good guide to hiking in Colorado?  The
selection in the Boston area is somewhat limited and my experience
from visiting the Pacific Northwest, for example, is that the better
books of a particular area may not be available here in the Boston
area (except by special order/mail, of course). 

[For those of you familiar with the AMC White Mountain Guide and maps,
are there any similar books/maps for areas of the Colorado Rockies?] 

Thanks in advance, 
Mara 

mfactor@bbn.com 

P.S.  I'm also posting separate messages to rec.folk-dancing, and
	rec.arts.dance in case you can offer any other suggestions
	for keeping me busy through the week ;-).
	                   Thanx again, MF
From: wheller@weber.ucsd.edu (Walter Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Custom boots in the West
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
	I suggest Randy Merrell of Vernal, Utah.  He's the best,
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

--Walt Heller
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From: sherod@news.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod)
Subject: Reading this group too much
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:55:18 GMT

You know you have been reading RB too long when the salesperson
tells you that the boots you are looking at have low impact soles
and you wonder how they decide which tread designs have the least
effect on the enviroment.

Scott
From: uvfowl@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Vicki J. Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Keywords: Smokies, poaching
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:49:15 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

Someone asked about dogs being allowed on trails in the Smokies:
They are allowed in the campgrounds but not on the trails. As I
emailed the original poster, when I found this information, I
called the headquarters of the Smokies to inquire about the
reason for this (I like to take my dog on ALL my hiking/camping
trips). The ranger told me that there is a huge poaching problem
in the Smokies, with poachers hunting for bear with their hound
dogs. The only way to prohibit them is to prohibit all dogs on
the trails. Although I was disappointed, I can understand the
need to protect the bears from poachers. So I hike and camp
outside of the Park, where dogs are allowed, in the nearby
Blue Ridge Mountains, as well as the Appalachians.
vicki

-- 
"Here's looking at you, kid."
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From: sherod@newton.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod)
Subject: Re: Svea 123R (was: MSR Stoves - Whisperlite Int'l. vs. X-)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:22:26 GMT

>Derek  Snyder said this about the Svea:
>
>>The only problem that I encountered with the stove is when I tried to use
>>the mini-pump thingie that you can get to prime it with. After a while,
>>the fuel cap that came with the mini-pump started to leak (i.e., a little
>>flame came out the end of it). Besides the obvious dangers, the stove also
>>didn't stay pressureized and burned cold. I've been told that this is a
>>common problem with the mini-pump.
>

I also recently had my Svea start to leak badly at the pump nozzle.
I had nit used it in a couple of years and figured the seals were bad.
(With a 2 year old I have been car camping and carrying the big
green monster I "borrowed" from my parents.)  I looked around town
and the only replacement caps I could find were $17.  Fortunately
my wife discovered the origional flat cap while cleaning some stuff.

I have never had a problem with stability because I have the cook
set that was included as part of a package which I believe was
called an Optimus 88.

I have an old quart can I carry Coleman fuel in.  Half full will
last for at least 3 weeks but all I ever do is boil water.

Scott
From: tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Svea 123R
Keywords: memories of Svea
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:22:01 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

toddl@ecs.comm.mot.com (Todd Leigh) writes:

>Most of the stories I've read here about the Svea sound like parents fond
>of a troublesome child swapping stories of its exploits.

I like my Svea -- I have had it since probably 1973 or so and until
recently had very few problems with it.  But I also like carbide lamps,
manual transmissions, and I always make pancakes from scratch and
scorn bisquick.

Actually I retired my first Svea, I need to get a new wick/stem assembly
for it.  But I have a second one I bought at a swap-meet for $5.00 and
have just switched to it, so no big motivation to fix the first for now,
but I probably should so I have a spare on hand (and while I can still
get the parts).

Also at a swap meet bought this big Primus/Optimus stove.
It is box like with a brass tank cylinder inside.  When you open the box
up, this hinge section in front moves forward and the tank slides forward
along with it.

Anybody know what this is?
I did fire it up once, but now it is waiting in my shed for some group
camping venture when I think I need it's "firepower".
Someone told me I can get exchangeable tips for it and burn everything
from white gas, to kerosene and diesel feul.

--
	Tom Trebisky	ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu
...."There's no sense in being precise when you don't even
.... know what you're talking about." 
                       - John von Neumann
From: manning@usdev.enet.dec.com (ANNE MANNING)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: campgrounds in cameron, arizona?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:21:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


we'll be in the grand canyon in september, hiking down from the south rim.
then we're headed to zion and bryce.  are there any campgrounds on 
(i think) 89N within 50-75 miles after leaving the south rim?  the AAA map
shows a marker for a campground but does not have a listing in the book.

any/all help much appreciated.
From: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:33:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Colorado reunion
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

I would recommend somewhere in SW Colorado, like Ouray, Silverton or Telluride.
They have services, but are small and quaint, and in the middle of some of the
best scenery in Colorado.  Great hiking and 4 wheeling.  Your freind who
is handicapped might really enjoy a 4 wheel trip over one of the
many 12,000+ passes in the area.  4 wheel tours and rentals are
readily available in Ouray and Telluride.  Lots of history too.

The only disadvantage is access.  Either fly into Grand Junction and rent
or drive from Denver (about 8 hours).



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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Re: Saranac Lake Islands camping
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:18:24 GMT

Sorry about the oversight in not saying where Saranac Lake is.  It's 
in upstate New York, just west of Lake Placid.  The Lower Saranac 
Lake is about 3 miles west of the town of Saranac Lake, on the way
to the town of Tupper Lake.

My apologies - 

Tim
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:14:15 GMT

In article 28AUG199205464835@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov, redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations) writes:
>
>Finally, a question:  Does your pet enhance your backcountry experience, or
>have you just convinced yourself that it does?
>
Of the few times I have been with my girlfriends dog in the
backcountry, I would say neither.  The dog did not enhance
nor detract from the experience.  The dog was just another
member of the party.  As for the tent issue, I just happen to
have a vestibule for Elvis (don't know why anyone would buy a
tent without one).

How many have really had a bear brought into camp because of
the dog?  How many bad experiences have you had per mile in
the backcountry?  So far we've heard a lot of "If's", and only
a couple bad experiences.

A car requires a new water pump ~every 100,000 miles, like it or
not that's life.  I hate to bring up this worn-out phrase, but
"Sh*t happens".

--Chris
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From: hens@snipe.cray.com (Tom Stephens)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:48:08 CDT


In article <1992Aug27.155231.17337@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>, nancy@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Nancy Feagans) writes:

> He was out alone, with his two hunting dogs.  The dogs suffered some
> severely cut pads from going over shale.  The guy couldn't figure out
> how to get them out, so he shot them.  True story.
> 
> 
> -- 


This guy was obviously ill prepared.  I *ALWAYS* (when out hunting and otherwise)
carry a first aid kit for my dog(s).  Would you go out without one for yourself?
I realize that in some severe circumstances that this could happen.  I doubt that this is one of them.  Maybe if the dog was gored by a bear.


Here is another case of irresponsible dog owners, which is really what this discussion is all about. 
--
---------------------------------
Tom Stephens
CCN,  Chippewa Falls
Cray Research Inc.  hens@cray.com
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From: jfjones@isrc.sandia.gov (James F. Jones)
Subject: Re: Water treatment article from Am J Pub Health (1989)
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:47:05 GMT

akin@sgi.com (Allen Akin) writes:
: In article <la7rh0INNgur@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
: |                           ...The MSR is a piece of trash, according to
: | reports from the field.
: 
: I replaced an ancient First Need with an MSR this season, and have no
: complaints.  Could you elaborate?
: 
: Allen

I would like more information on the MSR too.  I used a friend's for a
few days this summer and liked it.  I really liked how it screwed on
to my water bottles making it easy to pump and no outlet hose
to contaminate.  I clogged it once in a trickle of muddy water but
cleaning the first stage screen was no problem.

I'm considering buying one for myself so if there are problems
with the MSR I would REALLY like to know

--- Red
From: holms@gtephx.UUCP (Steve Holm)
Subject: Re: campgrounds in cameron, arizona?
Summary: blink and you'll miss Cameron
Organization: AG Communication Systems
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:15:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.132456.9079@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, manning@usdev.enet.dec.com (ANNE MANNING) writes:
> 
> we'll be in the grand canyon in september, hiking down from the south rim.
> then we're headed to zion and bryce.  are there any campgrounds on 
> (i think) 89N within 50-75 miles after leaving the south rim?  the AAA map
> shows a marker for a campground but does not have a listing in the book.
> 
Cameron as I remember is a few buildings, maybe a trading post and 
gas station but nothing more.  Why don't you just pull off 64 somewhere 
in the Kaibab Nation Forest, just south of the park.

My AZ Highways map shows campgrounds in Tusayan (8 miles from south rim),
Page/Glen Canyon (138 miles), and Jacob Lake (169 miles) but nothing in
between.

-- 
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From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: Re: boots
Organization: NT/BNR
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.141409.14228@cs.brown.edu> Philip M. Hubbard,
pmh@cs.brown.edu writes:
>1. Buy a pair of L.L. Bean's Maine Hunting Boots and replace their
>rounded-bottom soles with Vibram soles.  A friend of mine who is a
ranger at
>Denali says some of his fellow rangers like this approach because the
Bean
>boots are quite waterproof.  But how comfortable are Bean boots for
hiking?

I have worn my Beans many times hiking and have decided that they are
canoe and slush boots, but not hiking boots.  The support is just not
there for my arches and ankles.  My companions often derided my Beans. 
"You should get some REAL hiking shoes".  BUT: On one memorable trip
through the southern Appalachians, apparently for the purpose of field
testing our rain gear (although we hadn't intended to), my feet and socks
were dry; their's, even in Goretex lined stuff, were awash.  They spent
every soggy evening drying socks and boots around a smoking fire.  So I'm
giving up absolutely dry for a better fitting boot.  Try them out, you
could make a worse investment.
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From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Merrell balks, REI Refunds!
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:16:07 GMT

In article <93asw-240892204006@biology-mac01.williams.edu>, 
93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright) writes:
|>While hiking on the long trail last week, I spent the night in a shelter
|>with two AT thru-hikers.  They said that a lot of thru-hikers were having
|>problems with sole delaminations.  Of course, thru-hikers put their shoes
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>under more stress than most of us, but if your looking for boots, you may
|>want to keep it in mind.  Monkey was wearing Raichle boots, and reccomended
|>them highly.  Of course, they might be harder to find than the sundowners!
|>	Delamination may just be a problem with this year's Vasque models.  I've
|>had a pair of Vasques that lasted me 8 or 9 years, and still kept my feet
|>comfortable and (relatively) dry the last trip I was out (it rained for 4
|>days).  

I wonder. I was told by a fellow in a local shop (NOTE NOTE NOTE: This
means maybe true, maybe just rumour????), that one of the two types of
Biwell wax-stuff that you use to treat leather MAY react with the barge
cement between the sole and leather uppers in such a way as to cause
the sole to peel off.  The guy suggested trying to keep the wax away from
the crease.  Has anyone else heard this?  If it's true, I'm surprised
the boot manufacturers aren't mentioning it ... it'd be to everyone's
best interest to know.


--
Greg Jahn, Boise State Univ.|"In this selfish age, public-spirited
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu / | acts were left to the individual, and
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    / | what could the individual do on his
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  / | own?"        - Adolfo Bioy Casares
From: daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Optimus 8R fuel
Keywords: memories of Svea
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:11:09 GMT
Organization: Menzies School of Health Research, Darwin, Australia

In article <1992Aug29.211714.3682@darwin.ntu.edu.au> daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb) writes:
>
>Sounds like an Optimus 8R to me, big solid blue case, brass tank etc.  Used
>to call them CHOOFERS, cause thats what they do. *(-: 
                          (stuff deleted)
  I think they run Kero but I'm not 100% sure.  If you cant
>find out else where  E-mail me and I'll look it up.

OOOPS, The memory aint what it used to be.  The 8R runs on white gas.  Its
big brother the 111 is available in either Kero or White gas (111B). I dont
know how you tell the two 111's appart.  The 111 differs from the 8R in that
it is bigger (7"x7"x4") v's 5"x5"x3" for the 8R.  The 111 also has an
inbuilt pump on the upper right of the tank.

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From: dresser@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Debra Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Stackable Camp Cooking Gear
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:47:58 GMT
Reply-To: dresser@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Debra Dresser)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Does anybody have any recommendations for stackable cooking gear?  I'm
not looking for anything fancy, and it doesn't have to be super light
weight, as we don't backpack.  Some of the stuff I've seen advertised
has a non-stick coating I'm very unsure of.  Any suggestions of type
or sources would be appreciated.

Thanks

Debbie Dresser
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From: toddl@ecs.comm.mot.com (Todd Leigh)
Subject: Re: Off to Alaska on Sunday!! (And eventualy to Denali...)
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:33:20 GMT
Summary: Cheap hotels in red light district aren't worth it - stay in the hostel
Keywords: Midtown, yuck

>>In article <1992Sep3.200705.4685@cc.gatech.edu> goldsman@cc.gatech.edu (Michael G. Goldsman) writes:
>>Could someone recommend a cheap place to spend Sunday and Monday nights?
>>I will probably hit the youth hostel, but if there's something a bit nicer
>>yet still reasonable priced, I could go the extra $$'s for it. 
>>Like no more than $25/night for a single... Is that possible?

>in article <Sep03.235001.30798@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) replies:
>I just saw some places last week with signs advertising rooms for
>around $30/night.  It was in a part of town in which you might
>not want to get out of your car.  (Reminds me of my aunt from Chicago:
>whenvever somebody approaches her car she says "Quick, lock the doors!")

When I was in Anchorage three years ago, we stayed in a hotel called the Midtown, 
which was recommended by a guidebook we had as a cheap place to stay (Lonely Planet
series I think...)  Anyway, the Midtown is in the heart of the Anchorage red-light
district ( remember prostitution is legal there), which makes me suspect that this 
is the area Wayne is referring to.

I suggest that it is not worth the money... The rooms smelled, the mattresses were
oddly stained (we slept in our sleeping bags, not trusting the sheets), the showers 
were scary, and the calls of the local wildlife kept us awake most of the night.  
I remember one woman in particular arguing with a gentleman (?) she'd brought home 
about what he wanted to do to her (he said "I came here to f*ck and drink!" she said 
"Richard, NOOOOO!")  Then her boyfriend arrived and things got really interesting.
Anyway, I didn't feel threatened there or anything, not like in some of the bad 
neighborhoods in Chicago, and the place is only a few blocks from the Anchorage REI 
store, but I would tend to think that a clean, quiet hostel would be much nicer to 
stay in.

In general, I found hotels in Anchorage to be priced pretty high for what you got.

You get what you pay for...

Todd.
-- 
Todd Leigh                Motorola Inc.      Opinions expressed here are
toddl@ecs.comm.mot.com    Schaumburg, IL     not those of "THE MANAGEMENT"
Facts all come with point of view. Facts don't do what I want them to.
                                           - Talking Heads
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