From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
Subject: Re: Loose Change Anyone?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:05:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sysop@pwrtools.wariat.org (Valkyries--j. rowland) says:

>I think there is a difference between criticizing and just ripping to shreds.
>Didn't you say the whole thing was a total scam?  Sure, the organization
>isn't perfect and it has its flaws, but so does EFF.  NPTN has been helpful
>in encouraging the growth of other Free-Nets and have helped get educators
>at the high school and elementary levels into getting involved with modems,
>Internet and all that neat stuff.  You attacked the organization, you didn't
>criticize it.

don't even TRY to compare the NPTN to the EFF.  the NPTN tries to be this
grassroots organization that wants to help students and john q. public get
hooked into computers.   doesn't an organization that consists of a former
professor and his mistress strike you as just a -little- odd?  isn't it
strange that when someone requests info such a financial statement that there
is no reply?   isn't it implausible that for someone who's such a guru
of cybercasting (grundner's own contribution to the OED) that he can't even
put together an electronic newsletter?  

if you haven't noticed, most of the other freenets are nothing more than
one box systems that make Freenet I look good by comparison.

that's right, i ATTACKED THE NPTN.  if you hadn't noticed, i posted my words
to freenet.flame.   you have to wonder about people who take seriously what 
is posted to a designated flame area.  of course what i said happens to be
true.

>As for Jim Kutz, I believe that in the past he has pointed out what he perceives
>to be libel in many cases which did not involve NPTN.  To call him a lap dog
>of Dr. Grundner is a bit nutty.

he is a lap dog.  *woof*  *woof*  but it's kinda tragic how even his
co-sysops have deserted him.   

>I simply pointed out that he has been incredibly helpful in the past, and some
>people aren't criticizing him.  They're just ripping him to shreds.

they aren't ripping him to shreds.  INS is too wimpy to censure him, and 
most sysops are too stupid to ignore him.  he's been helpful i'll admit, but 
he's also cost one student his job for joking about his name;  he's gotten
other users kicked off and has represented himself in an official capacity to
internet sites outside of the university.   

i swear, either CWRU-INS is the bureaucracy from hell, or he has a sugar daddy
somewhere on campus.

perhaps they don't censure/suspend/delete him because it'd be more of an
aggravation if they did.   

>Perhaps his libel bit was not right, but neither are all these comparisons
>to Adolf Hitler.  Gimme a break!  

he is a little hitler.   and that includes the CWRU/Sysops who keep him
in virtual office.

>Jerry, if you'd like to continue this conversation, I'll continue it in e-mail.

cle.* works for me!

j.

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