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From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:32:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.072832.18411@nuscc.nus.sg> engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (W
n-Soon Lau) writes:
>sofjan mustopoh (smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
>:   
>:      Mig29 however are not tested in the battle field yet, But boy o b
y
>:  that plane really can manuver, it can do back slide , Cobra.
>:  Back slide = go straight up lower the power the plane slide down back
ard
>:  cobra  = point the plane nose up but the plane still move horizontall
.
>
>Interview with Non Eastern Bloc pilots who were invited to fly the Mig29
>shows that that a/c is poor in human engineering.  The pilot has to spen

>lot of time struggle with the controls thus divert some of the attention
>the pilot needs for target engagement.
>: 
>:       Speaking about Sidewinder .It is not a real fire and forget miss
le
>:  you still need avionic electronics in the plane to lock the target fi
st
>:  if i'm not mistaken.
>: 
>During the target acquisition phase, the missile gyro is slave to the
>a/c's gyro.  Once the pilot aligned his a/c to the target, the pilot 
>uncage the missile's gyro (so call lock-on) and the missile is ready
>is guide itself base on the information gathered on it IR seeker.
>
>:       But all of the above plane will be of no use if the country don'

>:  have tracking and radar , at least a Hawkeye or AWACS. Iraqi in
>:  Desert Storm have their radar shot to pieces thus have severe handica

>:  for their pilots. Allied force however have full advantage of Radar
>:  AWACS . So sheer number of plane is useless.  :)
>
>A very good example is the Israel and Syria air war (over the Barkca val
ey?)
>where the israeli scored a 62-0 victory over the syrian Migs.  One of
>the decisive factor was that israel was able to jam the syrian Migs
>radar using the Hawkeye and vector their own fighter in to do the
>actual kill.  One source said that the syrian fighter radar was jammed
>the moment that a/c lift-off from the runway.  So the pilot is as good a

>blind (for me I'll rather pull the 0-0 seat level at the end of the runw
y :-)
>In modern air war where fighting begins BVR (Beyond Visual Range), bette

>standoff capability is the winning edge.
>
>Won Soon
>-- 
>VLSI DESIGN & CAD LABORATORY          \  Internet: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg
>Dept of Electrical Engineering         \  Bitnet:  ENGP2065@NUSVM.bitnet
     
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>10, Kent Ridge Crescent. Singapore 0511. \______________________________


 
  Thanks For the folow up

  Muskie
  Smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu
  UK07802@ukpr.uky.edu  / UK07802@nk.uky.edu

--
Sofjan Mustopoh
UK07802

" Better soon Than late "
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Merdeka - Malayan Style
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:25:51 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Sep7.015329.23277@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
: 
: >	Another unfortunate event is that the National day does not fall on the
: >date Malaysia was formed. As a result the majority of Malaysians(99.9%), all
: >over, including Sabah and Sarawak, do not know when Malaysian was formed.
: 
: This can be a subject of debate.  Originally, Singapore & East Malaysia
: was supposed to join Malaysia on the 31 August, but due to problems
: from our good neighbours, the union was only officially recognised
: by most countries in September.  I think 31 August is appropriate as
This is something new to me. I thought the documents were only signed 
by the member states Sabah, Sarawak, Singapore, and Malaya on the
16th September, 1963. It was even shown on documentary films.
	Usually recognition does not come automatically. The date 16th Sep.1963,
were the dates the British granted independence to Sabah, Sarawak and 
Singapore(?), prior to "forming" Malaysia. In fact the 31st Aug. was the
date Brunei were supposed to sign the Malaysian aggreement but was delayed by
rebellion against Malaysia  by Azhari, and finally cancelled completely.
	Indonesia did not recognise Malaysia in 1963 until Sukarno was toppled
(not sure of these facts). Usually this is the case for new nations. It is
formed first before they are fully recognised. The recognition usually take
a longer process. It is unusual to get recognition first by all nations, or
even neighbours, before they are formed.
	Perhaps you know more than I do. Can you elaborate further?

: that is the date West Malaysia gained her independence and it is also
: the date choosen for East & West Malaysia to be united.  As far as
: Malaysia is concerned, the unoin was officially formed on the 31
: August and that is the day we should celebrate the birth of our
Unfortunately it has created confusion as to when Malaysia was actually
formed. It certainly was not 1957 because the name Malaysia was not even
invented until 1963. The choosing of this name was actually very historical.
The first name chosen was "Melayu Raya".

: nation - not some stupid day that other nations decided to recognise
: us.
The most important is the "actual" date of formation as written down in
legal documents. Just like the birth of a child. We cannot pre-detemine the
exact date at which it will actually come out.
	The same problem happened to Labuan. It is supposed to become federal
territory at the same date as KL, but history did not permit it.

It teaches us not to play god.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
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From: bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador)
Subject: Re: KL mayor,Elyas,resigns
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 16:12:20 GMT

Apa Khabar semua?

Interesting to read about all this news about KL. I don't get much news here
from home unless I pop over to MSD in London and read some tattered papers.
 Anyone from Malaysia/Singapore care to give us some postings of the
juiciest news/titbits? 
I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation. Whoever volunteers will do
such a great service. Terimakasih.

By the way, where is the culture in this group ? Pantun-pantun, lagu, sajak
reviews of any good books I should look outfor/ send home for.
Takkan tak ada peminat sastera in the techno SEA world.

Asides : Don't try e-mailing me. I don't officially exist. I'll just keep 
reading this group.


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From: sgan@hounix.org (Seng Gan)
Subject: Take home pay in Singapore
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 22:01:12 GMT

Could somebody please tell me what is the income tax rate in Singapore?
What I am interested in is if your gross pay is
     $40,000 Singaporean what is the actual take home pay after all the
     deductions?
The gross pay level I am interested in are
    $40,000
    $45,000
    $50,000
    $55,000
    $60,000
Please reply through E-mail to
sgan@hounix.org
Thanks in advance............

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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:44:16 GMT

siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
: 
: First of all, do you know that the Mig 29 plane is actually an old design?
: Well, when I was younger, I was really interested in aeroplanes be it 
: commercial of fighters so I collected everything I could find on planes.
: In one of the Airplane magazine (one of the 1990 issues), I found out that
: the Mig 29 wasn't living up to my expectation.  The first time the aircraft
: was fully surveyed (the US had this chance when a Russian pilot defected to
: the west via Japan in the 60's or 70's) it was found that the Mig 20 is 
: actually designed in the 50's.  A lot of its equipments were out dated.
You may be talking about the Mig25 Foxbat. But I love that plane. It is still
the fastest fighter in the world after 30 years at Mach 3.
	It lasts because it uses solid stainless steel for sensitive parts.
: 
: Hey, Othman, we don't need to show off here.  I feel our beloved country has
: put in enough in their defence buget.  The money would be better spent if it
: were used in education and industry.

Whether you like it or not, Malaysian government will spend a few billion 
ringgit updating its aircraft. I do not have any say in this. 

: By the way, Othman, why are you bringing this up?  We Malaysians are peace 
Just like you when you were young, I love knowing about airplanes. Unlike you,
I have not overgrown that desire. Some younger posters may know more.

: loving people.  We are not going to have wars with everybody.
: 
: Anyone who are reading this, please don't put us Malaysians in the same class
: as Othman here.  We are all peace loving people.  We DON'T LIKE WARS.
: I'm sure most of the usual Malaysians will agree with me.
Maybe you just leave the vietnamese and chinese take our oilfields away just
like that.
	Or being massacred like the Bosnian muslims.
My opinion about war strategies are entirely differenct and controversial,
as usual. It however solves our education and industry problems at the 
same time. Maybe another thread. See you in 2 weeks time.
	I'm going back to SABAH to see my family.
--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Ziad Akir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Just a test
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:59:26 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens
Originator: akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

This is just a test, please ignore..
  
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From: vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Subject: Re: **** ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL S'POREAN STUDENTS IN THE MONTREAL VICIN
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:26:19 GMT

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong) writes:

> The Minister of Communications, Mr. Mah Bow Tan will be visiting 
> Montreal, Quebec in September.
> 
> Through an exclusive arrangement with The Office of The Singapore Student 
> Advisor (Burnaby, B.C. Canada), the minister will be meeting Singaporean 
> students and working Singaporeans alike then. The meeting will take place 
> at :
>         THE SHANGRI-LA HOTEL, MONTREAL, QUE. ON 25 SEP 1992. 
>         TIME : 5:00 PM SHARP
> 
> All Singaporean students who are studying, working, residing or even 
> doing nothing in the nearby vicinity who wish to attend the a/m meeting 
> can call The Office of The Singapore Student Advisor, Ms Ng Yun Sian to 
> arrange for an invitation to be sent to you. Please contact Ms Ng 
> (collect calls will be accepted) at : (604) 439-3340 
>                             or fax  : (604) 439-3329
> 
> For those who live reasonably near and want to go, you can arrange for 
> group transport, and The Office of The Singapore Student Advisor might be 
> able to arrange for transport subsidies for you. Please call Ms Ng to 
> discuss before you do decide to venture forth.
> 
> vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
> Western Business School  --  London, Ontario


vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Merdeka - Malayan Style
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:53:29 GMT

u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
: Merdeka was the achievement of independence.  Presented below was an
: eyewitness account of the event:
: 
: 
: 		NO SENSATIONAL EVENT HAS OCCURRED TODAY
: 
:   Most people had regarded Merdeka as a kind of sword of of Damocles
:   over their heads.  The pessimists had expected the celebrations to
:   turn into race-roits and bloodshed; but even the optimists had
:   anticipated demonstations and increased tension.  No one spoke of
:   this in public, no suggestion ot it went into print but fear was
:   general and Merdeka was, for many, a dreaded day.  And then came
:   came the colossal sensation: nothing happened.  The celebrations
:   were inspiring and dignified.  There were no demonstrations, no
:   clashes: there was general rejoicing:  NO SENSATIONAL EVENT HAS
:   OCCURRED TODAY.
: 
:   Why not?  It all went too smoothly, too rapidly - and this was the
:   fault of the British.  Malaya did not become independent on August
:   31, 1957: to all intents and purposes it had been independent for
:   the two or three preceding years.  Merdeka was the formal celebration
:   of Malaya's becoming something it did not really become; and also
:   for becoming something it had already been.
: 
: 
: Now, that's Merdeka - Malayan style.

31st August is meant to be the National Day. I cannot join in the Merdeka
celebrations because I'm a Sabahan, but I join in the National Day celebration,
because I'm a Malaysian, I think so. Unfortunately a lot of Malayans do not
think that I'm a Malaysian, and they are the educated ones.
	Another unfortunate event is that the National day does not fall on the
date Malaysia was formed. As a result the majority of Malaysians(99.9%), all
over, including Sabah and Sarawak, do not know when Malaysian was formed.
	Even our history experts, the Musuem negara made this mistake, let alone
RTM. No, it is not the fault of our history books, it is actually mentioned
there but in just one sentence. So you can imagine the effect on the Japanese
students when told about the Nanking massacre.

	How many usenet readers know when Malaysia was formed? The date is
actually subject to argument. I had argued with my Scholarship interviewers
when I was 18, but because of lack of time we did not dwell on it.

The parallel is the 4th of July celebrations. Is it called the Independence
celebration? Students in USA can discuss it better, in relationship to 
the Malaysian national day celeberations.
	Officially it is not called Merdeka, rather Hari Kebangsaan, national
day. 



Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Info on Singapore companies wanted ?
Keywords: National Computer Board, Public Service Commission
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:55:58 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

I have interviews with the following organisations via the Singapore
Economic Development Board:

National Computer Board and Public Service Commission.

Could someone tell me what these organisations do ?  The interview
was arranged by EDB and I had no idea what organisation I ended up
having interviews with.
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Looking for a friend..
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:03:25 GMT

Dear Malaysians,

	I'm looking for a Malaysian named Mahmud who is at eastern michigan
university. He just joined this semester. He is MARA student. I met him in
the plane on the way back here from M'sia on the August 10, 1992. I'm
wondering if anyone knows this guy and if do can I have his address please?
I would like to contact sometime.
	Thank you in advance.

Geeva Subramaniam
328 Palmer Ave. #21
Bowling Green,
OH 43402
Internet:subraman@andy.bgsu.edu
Bitnet:  GSUBRAM@opie.bgsu.edu 


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From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Go away!!!!!! This is not a religious/islam forum!!!!!
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:17:35 GMT

jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:                             
                                                               
       
     [religious bs taken away!!!!!]
 
> [I beg Allah's forgiveness for my weakness and insufficiency in ]
> ['His' service, and I ask for his protection from Shaitan and   ]
> [from my own Desires.  None can protect me except Allah.  If I  ]
> [have made any errors, I beg Allah to bring them to my attention]
> [so that they may be corrected.  If I have made none, then it is]
> [only through the Grace of Allah and all praise is due only to  ]
> ['Him.'                                                         ]
           
Gimme a break, what has soc.culture.asean degenerated 
into???????!!!!!!! This is too much!!!! When will you people 
ever realise that this is not a religious forum!!!!!??????

v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Merdeka - Malayan Style
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Sep6.190202.3446@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
|> Merdeka was the achievement of independence.  Presented below was an
|> eyewitness account of the event:
|> 
|> 
|> 		NO SENSATIONAL EVENT HAS OCCURRED TODAY
|> 
|>   Most people had regarded Merdeka as a kind of sword of of Damocles
|>   over their heads.  The pessimists had expected the celebrations to
|>   turn into race-roits and bloodshed; but even the optimists had
|>   anticipated demonstations and increased tension.  No one spoke of
|>   this in public, no suggestion ot it went into print but fear was
|>   general and Merdeka was, for many, a dreaded day.  And then came
|>   came the colossal sensation: nothing happened.  The celebrations
|>   were inspiring and dignified.  There were no demonstrations, no
|>   clashes: there was general rejoicing:  NO SENSATIONAL EVENT HAS
|>   OCCURRED TODAY.
|> 
|>   Why not?  It all went too smoothly, too rapidly - and this was the
|>   fault of the British.  Malaya did not become independent on August
|>   31, 1957: to all intents and purposes it had been independent for
|>   the two or three preceding years.  Merdeka was the formal celebration
|>   of Malaya's becoming something it did not really become; and also
|>   for becoming something it had already been.
|> 
|> 
|> Now, that's Merdeka - Malayan style.
|> 
|> 
|> -Num



Ummmmmmmm !

I wouder who is Numero Uno, the one who wrote the above article.
I wonder if he is a Malaysian.  As his 'name' suggest, I doubt so.
Just wonder.

Kelvin Cheu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chuah@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Salaries of Graduates in M'sia
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:41:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

After reading the posting "Job Opportunity in Malaysia", I have a 
question in mind :

	Can anyone post to the net how much graduates are paid
	in Malaysia? Mojors of particular interests are (but not limited
	to) (i) computer science, (ii) all engineering fields, (iii) business
	administration, and (iv) social science and humanities like Psychology.

I have read on this net postings of salaries in Singapore but not in Malaysia.
I am personally interested in salaries of computer scientists holding an
undergraduate degree and also a master's degree. I will be graduating soon,
and this information will definitely help me decide if I should try to get
a job here before contemplating returning to Malaysia.

I thank you in advance for all information supplied.

Chuah
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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Merdeka - Malayan Style
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:39:18 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>mulliner@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Kent Mulliner) writes:
>: independence (until Sep. 16)--a dress rehearsal for 1985?

>	
>: 

>Malaysians do not know the real reason why Brunei did not join Malaysia. The
>official version quoted to me by those in West Malaysia, is that Brunei sultan
>was not given the first Agong tittle. This is ridiculous because the Malaysian
>Agong has absolutely no power and lasts for 5 years compared to the life term
>for the current Brunei Sultan. However ridiculous this belief is, it is
>the accepted truth in West Malaysia.

The real reason is that Brunei did not want to lose their royalty from 
their petroleum industry. One of the conditions of joining the federation
was that Brunei had to surrender all her revenues from petroleum to the 
feds. If Brunei did join Malaysia, do you think the Sultan would be the 
richest man in the world ???
Smart move... but Sabah and Sarawak stuck on to the deal.

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Humor:  Net.Idiots
Date: 12 Sep 92 09:39:37 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya y'll, here's something I found in rec.humor, enjoy enjoy


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From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Malaysian Restaurant in Los Angeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:44:54 GMT

I just come back from lunch at a Malaysian restaurant in Rowland
Heights in LA area.  The chicken rice, beef curry and satay was
good, but the asam laksa was so so.  Is there anyone who know of
other Malaysian food outlet in LA area ?  I hread that here is one
in Ahambra or Pasadena, but I can't find the address from phone 
books.  I have been to the Straits Cafe in San Francisco (at
the corner of Cook and Geary): the roti planta, chicken rice, nasi
lemah and laska was excellent.

Kelvin Cheu
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From: arthurc@solomon.technet.sg (Arthur!! Chai)
Subject: News from S'pore and M'sia
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:28:28 GMT

Ahem, just a few pts of clarification:

1) The cars involved were 22 Volvos, which were purchased for department
heads in City Hall K.L. Note that Elyas himself did NOT get those cars
for personal use. Apparently, the story broke when the Malay Mail (still
doing investigative journalism ;^)) followed the officials who drove the
cars home from work, against official regulations (since they were
official cars). There was also more oil thrown into the fire when they
discovered that the same dept heads were being issued with expensive
cellular phones, which they also took home against regulations ;^)

2) Basic Instinct has been passed with approx 20secs in cuts from the
distributor's version (only 20 secs ? I am amazed ;^)) and will be
screened shortly with an R(A) rating. Expect large large crowds ;^)
The distributor originally asked for a PG rating (who are they trying to
kid here ? ;^)) much to everyone's chagrin ...

I will try to clarify various news points since I am 'local' right now
;^) Sigh ... for some nice cool dry air outdoors ;^)

Arthur!!
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