HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Help id strange console message
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 03:48:15 GMT

In <dittrich.718309499@milton> dittrich@milton.u.washington.edu (Dave Dittrich) writes:

| I was just installing a third party software product on a 4D/35 running
| IRIX 4.0.5x (where x is either A or B, depending on who I ask --
| probably A).  During installation I get the message "NOTICE: File table
| overflow" repeated over and over on the console window.

This message comes from the kernel, and doesn't refer to disk space
(filesystem free space), but rather to the table in the kernel that
correlates open files to inodes.

The 3rd party product must open quite a few files, and keep them
open.  You can increase NFILE in /usr/sysgen/master.d/kernel (usually
by increasing NPROC, but you don't have to do it that way), and
then running /etc/autoconfig, then rebooting (it is a good idea
to save your old kernel as /unix.bak first, just in case).
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Re: 3.1 compilers (was: On-line manual browser)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:06:09 GMT

In article <97136@bu.edu> jdh@bu-pub.bu.edu (Jason Heirtzler) writes:
>
>1. Are the 3.1 compilers available for 4.0.5?  I tried to ask the
>hotline (call ID 124525) last week, but never got a call back, and
>my sales rep doesn't know.  If they are available for 4.0.5, will
>customers recieve them automatically, or do we have to beat on the
>hotline for it?

Yes, when we got the 4.0.5A update, we got a 3.1 compiler CD.  I think
you need(ed?) to ask for it specifically.

>2. Are the compilers (C, FORTRAN, PFA?) all provided on one media?

We got them all on one CD, labelled "3.1 Compilers Maintenance Update".
More recently I've seen the IRIX 4.1 IDO CD, which includes
only the MIPS 3.1 C compiler.  I don't know if SGI is still shipping
the combined update CD.

>3. Is there really a 4.1 release coming soon?  I had kind of thought
>the next release would be the S5R4 release (Irix 5.0?)

The numbering seems kind of goofed up; IRIX 4.0.5 ships with the
4.1 IDO now.  I guess they decided to jump the IDO numbering because
the 3.1 compilers represent a major update over the 4.0.1 IDO stuff.

>4. Would anyone using the 3.1 compilers care to comment on how well
>they work?  Some comments here tended to indicate they were a little
>more buggy than the 2.20 ones.

The only problems I had were with a buggy optimization step in the
assembler, so now I compile everything with "-Wb,-noswpipe".  Besides
that, I haven't had any trouble with the 3.1 C compiler.

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: ppittman@kirk.NMSU.Edu (Pete Pittman)
Subject: Graphics Terminals for SGI
Keywords: Terminals
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:01:23 GMT


I have a question concerning the connection of additional terminals to SGI
machines (a personal iris 4D/35).
I know it is possible to add an X-term but I need to know what sort of graphics  
compatibility it will have.  
Will it just be slower?
Is there a better option?

Excuse the ignorance; I will post the compiled responces.
Thanks,
        Pete.
From: ras@unipress.com (Ray Schnitzler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:12:44 GMT

As a mailing list reader, I am disappointed by the proposal that all subgroups
be put into a single mailing list.  Since I don't think that I can offer to
administer the separate groups, however, perhaps this disappointment doesn't
amount to much.

I do have several suggestions to facilitate interaction between the list and
the groups, however.

1)	In messages forwarded onto the mailing-list, preserve info about the
source newsgroup, so that subscribers can at least set up an automatic filter
to emulate multiple mailing lists.

2)	Provide a Reply-to: field appropriate to the info-iris-<group-name>
list.

3)	Automatically reject any mail to info-iris@brl.mil, providing info on
the various info-iris-<group-name> aliases.


Ray Schnitzler
UniPress Software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani)
Subject: recording speech into a file
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:56:33 GMT

I hope this is not a FAQ. What do I have to do to record my speech into
a disk file? The workstation is an Indigo Elan and it has a microphone.

thanks
vamsee
From: beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (R. Beyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: socket.h, uio.h
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:23:04 GMT


Hello SGI,

socket.h makes reference to structure uio without defining this structure.
lint complains that the structure is referenced but that it was never
defined. The structure uio is defined in uio.h. How about including uio.h
in socket.h ?

Regards

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Flight Guidance, Flughafen, D-3300 Braunschweig, Fed. Rep. of Germany
	  Phone: 0049-531-395-2530  Fax: 0049-531-395-2550
Internet: beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (EARN/BITNET: fl17@dlrvmbs.bitnet) 
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From: gjm@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (g.j.milne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Attaching SCSI device to a twin-tower
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:13:31 GMT
Reply-To: gjm@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article CCy@ecf.toronto.edu, xiaoyan@ecf.toronto.edu (XIAO Yan) writes:
>I need your help, again.  Now I have found proper 3rd party vendor
>for scsi drive, but have problem in finding ways to connect a SCSI
>drive to our twin-tower styled 4D310/GTX, which does not have...

I have a 4D220 with a similar problem. As far as I understand it, the
problem stems from the fact that early 4D machines were shipped with an
IO-2 board. The IO-2 board only supports a single SCSI controller and
this is connected to the special SGI trays in the peripheral tower via
an internal cable. If, however, I had an IO-3 board my problems would
disappear because it has 2 SCSI controllers, one is used for the
peripheral tower, the other is connected to the back panel of the CPU
tower. The second one can therefore be used to add additional devices.

(I hope I got that right. No doubt Dave O. will post a correction if
I've made a glaring error).

Okay, you will now want to know the cost of upgrading from an IO-2 to
an IO-3. I recently asked SGI for this and was quoted a cost of 2350
pounds sterling. I don't know what that is in Canadian dollars. I
haven't yet run out and bought one but hopefully some money will come
my way later this financial year.

---
S.E.R.C. Daresbury Laboratory, Warrington, WA4 4AD, United Kingdom.
e-mail     : g.j.milne@dl.ac.uk (INTERNET)  g.j.milne@uk.ac.daresbury (JANET)
Opinions expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my employer!
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From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Hard limits (Was Re: Question on awk)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:41:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu
Keywords: awk

gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Gaumond Pierre) writes:

>What is the maximum number of characters that awk can accept on each line. I
>have problems with awk when the lines are about 250 characters long.

I deal with huge files (I mean really huge) and had despaired of
using awk because of the STUPID hard limits which are wired into
many implementations.

Then I discovered GNU awk.  It is faster than Sun's awk or nawk,
and it's got INCREDIBLY generous hard limits.  I've never hit them
yet.

A great job, gawk 2.13.2.  It should be /bin/awk.

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Subject: Re: Phaser II SD question(s)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:56:20 GMT

In article <BvEKB5.8vJ@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> mark@cita.toronto.edu writes:
>
>The question I have is, what magic incantations do I need to take a typical
>IRIS .rgb file and make a hardcopy appear?  

Try "lp filename.rgb" or "lp filename.ps" or "lp filename.text" (tho
you'd be a fool to print text at >$2.00 a page.

>The IISD will be hooked up to
>the IRIS's parallel port.  Is the IISD a PostScript device?  If so, can we
>just use "tops" (with the "-rgb" or "-RGB" option), and print the resultant
>PostScript file?

No need.  The IISD requires Impressario and will therefore
automatically filter PostScript, SGI RGB, SGI BW, and text out to the
printer.   

>    What does this mean (1 function vs 3 functions)?  Is the PostScript that
>    gets generated different?  If not, which should I care how "tops" reads
>    the image data?  Why are there two options anyway?  ]

You shouldn't care, just ignore it and use the Impressario filters and
drivers, which are quite an improvement over tops.

>Anyhow, once I have something that the IISD will be happy with, can I just
>use "lp" to shove it out the serial port?  (We use bsdlpr on our network,
>rather than lp; the print server for the network is a Sparc, so I've never
>had to look at (or care about) lp.)

Yes, just use lp.  And you can certainly have your SGI convert an lpr
job to an lp job.

Cheers,

David Story                        	        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com				Mountain View, California

I've changed my name, so duis@sgi.com may bounce, please use story@sgi.com.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: dgordon@crow (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Re: C++ headaches....
Organization: Algorithmic Arts, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:25:58 GMT

In article <Bv3oqy.8Cp@world.std.com> tjh@world.std.com (Tim Hall) asks
about performance degradation of a C++ program after the addition of
a new but unused class.

I've seen similar behavior with a renderer I wrote in C.  Adding a new
(but unused) routine caused a 30% increase in rendering time even
though the instruction count for the executable remained exactly the
same.  The program also turned out to be very sensitive to the order
that object modules were linked together.  I believe this behavior is
due to effectiveness of the caches.  See the manual pages cord(1) and
ftoc(1) for help in optimizing a program to increase cache hits.  

	- Dave

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Dave Gordon                           dgordon@crow.omni.co.jp
Algorithmic Arts, K.K.                ccut.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp!crow!dgordon
Tokyo, Japan                          fax:   (81) 3-3772-7118
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: lms@swl.msd.ray.com (LEE MARDEN)
Subject: Re: CDman saving disk titles
Keywords: CD audio
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:06:39 GMT

Ditto on posting any CD .cdplayerrc file databases.  We've started our own
and have ~60 CDs in the database and would love to see postings of
other databases.  May someone could maintain a master database that we
can submit updates to and that gets posted here periodically?

-- 
  AdvThanksance,

  Lee S. Marden, lms@swlray.msd.ray.com
  Raytheon Company, Missile Systems Division, Tewksbury, MA 01876
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: azueta@xp.psych.nyu.edu (Steve Azueta (/w Aries)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: 3rd Party RAM FAQ
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:31:57 GMT

Sorry wasting bandwidth on this Frequently Asked Question, but can someone
please post (or email direct) a seller of reliable, competitively priced
RAM (for a 4D-25, 20 MHz IP6)?

Steve Azueta	azueta@xp.psych.nyu.edu
From: mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Porting X/Motif/Mrm to SGI from VAX
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:58:42 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct4.151131.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> drew@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>I have been using VAXs and IBM RS/6000s, and now have to port some
>applications to SGI.  So far so good, but I have an X/Motif app which
>does NOT work!

Your program does not work because MrmFetchWidget changed between Motif
1.0 and Motif 1.1 so that it does nothing if the widget pointer is
non-NULL.  From the 1.1 MrmFetchWidget man page:

	MrmFetchWidget determines if a widget
        has already been fetched by checking widget for a NULL
        value.  Non-NULL values signify that the widget has already
        been fetched, and MrmFetchWidget fails.

Therefore, to make your program work on SGI (which now ships Motif 1.1),
change:

       MrmFetchWidget(s_MrmHierarchy, widget_name, toplevel_widget, &id,
           &class_id);

to:

       id = NULL;
       MrmFetchWidget(s_MrmHierarchy, widget_name, toplevel_widget, &id,
           &class_id);

This change caught me by surprise also, and my UIL-based stuff started
dumping core.  I even recall that the Motif 1.0 man page for
MrmFetchWidget says that the widget id should be NULL, but that it
didn't make any difference.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                 Mike Yang        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
               mikey@sgi.com           415/390-1786
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Multiple ethernets & serial ports on indigi ??
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:24:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <BvHzwt.Ayz@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt) writes:

| [ Len Zaifman ]
| 
| |     A colleague at a nearby university is buying a Sparc server because
| | he needs two ethernet connections  and up to 8 serial connections. He
| | claims this cannot be done cost effectively, if at all, on an Indigo. Is
| | this correct?? How much would an extra ethernet board and a port serial
| | I/O board be for an indigo?? Are they even available ??
| 
| Dunno about how to deal with the need for a second ethernet, but there are
| a couple companies around which make multiport serial devices that live on
| the SCSI bus.  However, I've heard strongly conflicting reports about how
| well these things work.  Caveat emptor.

It is certainly true today.  There has been occasional talk of doing
an ethernet board for the Indigo to fit in the GIO slots, but I don't
know if this is an official project or not.

Serial ports are a problem.  We looked at doing the SCSI serial port
product from Central Data, and may do it some day; it is unlikely that
anybody but us could make it work with our streams tty stuff.

Another option for serial ports is one of the cheap ethernet terminal
servers.  They can be had for around $1500 US, from what I remember.
Just how hard they might be to set up and make work I have no idea,
but at least it is feasible.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: iceman@nic.cerf.net (David Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Free: NEW AUDIO PANEL for Indigo
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:19:40 GMT
Organization: CERFnet


A new PUBLIC DOMAIN audio panel for the Indigo, including SOURCE CODE
is NOW AVAILABLE!!!!!

To get a copy:     ftp swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov
-or-               ftp 139.88.54.33

The file is named: spectra.tar.Z
and is in the:     /programs       directory

ENJOY!!!!!
David Cook  -  iceman@cerf.net   -or-   dcook@npal.rn.com
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Using the Indigo centronics port
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:49:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <2568@ceylon.gte.com> mcgraw@fermat.gte.com (Stuart McGraw) writes:
| 	I have some questions about using the centronics printer port 
| on an Indigo.  What I want to do is use the centronics port as a general 
| parallel i/o port, i.e read (and possibly later write) 8 bits of data 
| from an external device of my own contruction.

Can't do it.  The logic isn't there in the chip.

| So to this end, can anyone tell me (or point me to) a description of 
| the centronics protocol?  

Unfortunately, there isn't really one, since it isn't an official
standard of any kind.  That is why so many implementations are
incompatible in one way or another.

| The man plp manpage gives the signal assignments for pins 1-31.  If
| the DB25 is the printer port, then how are the 31 pins mapped to the 
| DB25 pins?  

The 'NC' pins at the end are the ones not on the DB25.

| What does PLPIOCSETMASK do?

Nothing.  It is a nop there for compatibility with some code for
the 4D/20 and 25 systems.

| Any other advise on doing this (or reasons why I shouldn't)?

Because it won't work as a general purpose interface.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
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From: gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Gaumond Pierre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Question on awk
Keywords: awk
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:59:22 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

What is the maximum number of characters that awk can accept on each line. I
have problems with awk when the lines are about 250 characters long.

Thanks.

-- 
Pierre Gaumond.        gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA
Services Informatiques, Universite de Montreal. 
C.P. 6128, Succursale "A", Montreal,            
Quebec, Canada.   H3C 3J7
From: pj@sam.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Soft PC Query
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:15:45 GMT
Reply-To: pj@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Research & Development

In article <5927@dove.nist.gov>, fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.) writes:
|> Anybody using Soft PC out there who would care to comment
|> on it?  For instance, does it recognize the mouse? How
|> does it handle file names longer than the standard DOS
|> 8.3?  Does it do windows :-) ?  Anybody using it with 
|> Word Perfect?  Can you run it in an xterm shell being
|> displayed at an X-terminal?

You can optionally have it track the mouse, but it tracks
at rate that seems like 2 or 3 updates a second - painfully
slow tracking except when desparate.

It handles long filenames in the usual way for DOS emulators
on Unix, but keeping the first few chars the same, then mangling
the remaining chars, if any.  So a long Unix filename might be
recognizable within SoftPC, based on the first few letters.

It doesn't do Windows(tm).  It is appropriate for character mode
applications that work well on an EGA or less 286 class machine.

I don't know about WordPerfect - but would guess that the
character mode WordPerfect would be ok for non-intensive use,
assuming that Wordperfect is usable on an EGA 286 without useful
mouse.

SoftPC will only run on a Graphics Window on the console, not from a
remote display server.

(I'm not an official SoftPC spokesperson for SGI; the above is
just my opinion.)

-- 

				I won't rest till it's the best ...
				Software Production Engineer
				Paul Jackson (pj@sgi.com), x1373
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: trich@crow.omni.co.jp (Timothy Richards)
Subject: inst making GID 9999
Reply-To: trich@crow.omni.co.jp
Organization: Omnibus Japan, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:01:40 GMT


Occasionally I have a problem with inst where it makes millions
of files with GID set to 9999.  This happened with irix4.0.5
and irix3.3.2.  I remember a flurry of discussion about inst in
this news group about 6 months ago - but can't find any reference
to this problem.
-- 
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[Uucp]      ccut.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp!crow!trich	home: +81 (3) 3720-4088
[Internet]  trich@omni.co.jp
From: gmt@mosquito.cis.ufl.edu (GMM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: SGI Debuggers
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:40:22 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I noticed on the cover of some of the manuals that came with an Iris Indigo
Elan a screen shot of a very nice looking graphical debugger.  I can't seem
to find reference to this debugger within the documentation or on the
computer itself.  Could someone tell me where to find this debugger or any
other debugger that is more sophisticated than dbx, etc. . .


Thanks,
Gary McTaggart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: prevost@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Prevost)
Subject: Re: Need help in Showcase!!
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:09:06 GMT

portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:


>You have now created two linked text blocks which go across
>pages.  Any text that will not fit on the first page will
>automatically flow to the next.  In addition, when you select
>one of the text blocks for editing, the other text block
>will be selected as well.  You can link many text blocks
>together this way.  Also, linked text blocks may be on the
>same page.

>Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com

What if you are reading in a 50 page RTF file and want to view
it as 50 linked pages ( if they are in a scrollable window I 
can't print it! ). Do you have to go through this process 50 
times? Even if you use templates, and you should or the pages 
will not be exactly aligned, it a lot of effort. I'd like to use
Showcase for online documentation bUt I'm not going to do this
for all the files we have.

mp....
-- 
Michael Prevost
Sterling Software
moffett Field Ca.
prevost@eos.arc.nasa.gov
From: pj@sam.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: /debug files: What are they ?
Keywords: sgi, debug
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:58:55 GMT
Reply-To: pj@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Research & Development

In article <1992Oct4.203941.26177@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, johnu@syma.sussex.ac.uk (John E. Upham) writes:
|> What are the files in the /debug directory ? Are they of any use to man
|> or beast and if not can they be removed ?

To find out, do:

    man dbg
    
(or on 4.0.* based systems, if I've got the
 release numbers right, you can also do:
 
    man debug

I will quote one sentence from this man page:

    These files actually consume no disk space, and are only
    convenient handles by which a debugger can attach to a
    process.

-- 

				I won't rest till it's the best ...
				Software Production Engineer
				Paul Jackson (pj@sgi.com), x1373
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach)
Subject: re: timezone()
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:03 GMT

| Your edit is still there; nothing's changed.  I suspect the original
| dude was using BSD semantics but compiling under SysV.

  Not quite. I'm using BSD semantings and compiling under BSD.

	mjl
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Strange login behavior
Keywords: Ack! /bin/csh says command not found!
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:20:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: alchemy.1992Oct4.142003.13134
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1alasgINN6np@agate.berkeley.edu> kmorgan@soda.berkeley.edu (Keir Morgan) writes:
>   [... bad pty stuff deleted ...]
>   I hope this works as a temporary fix.

Not likely; every release of SR10.x (x=0,1,2,3,4) has had pty problems.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo