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From: mfy@sli.COM (Mike Yoder)
Subject: Dictionary of Early Music
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:19:32 GMT


Jessa D'Avondale asks about "A Dictionary of Early Music: From the Troubadours
to Monteverdi" by Jerome and Elizabeth Roche.

I have it, and find it very helpful.  It usually gives dates, a good thing for
SCA folk.  It is nearly perfect for me: Troubadour music is the earliest I am
particularly interested in, and Monteverdi died (if I remember right) in the
1640s.

You won't find *large* amounts of detail, however: it is not the Grove
Dictionary, and doesn't try to be.

    Franz Joder von Joderhuebel (Michael F. Yoder) [mfy%sli@uunet.uu.net]

The soul's Rialto hath its merchandise.
-- Elizabeth Barrett Browning, _Sonnets From the Portuguese_, sonnet XIX.
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From: Bjorn@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.ORG (Bjorn)
Subject: Cunion's newest "project
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:00:04 GMT

                                         Birchland in Storvik,
                                         November 5th, A.S. XXVII

Unto all to whom these presents come,
doth Lord Bjorn Bjorklund send greetings!

I a pleased to announce that my sister-in-law, Mistress Cunion of Ponte Alto, 
Atlantia has just completed her latest project.  She conceived of it with the 
help of her husband Lord Gunnar Bjorklundr, my brother.  Documentation for the 
project is as follows:

    Helen Miller,  6 lb 3 oz, 19 1/2 inches,
    born 11:47 pm, November 3rd, A.S. XXVII,
    in the Barony of Ponte Alto, Atlantia

I remain,
Lord Bjorn Bjorklund

P.S.  Mother and daughter are doing fine.

 -- SPEED 1.00 [NR]: rich@aeneas.ims.disa.mil - but you can call me Bjorn.


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From: sgg@tropel.gca.COM (Sheila Goodman)
Subject: sinister fighters and others
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:02:47 GMT

Hello Bridge club:
Anyone else notice that left handers make up a much higher percentage
of SCA (and for that matter Fannish) populations then the 10% "norm".
Also I've read that 75% of lefthanders are male.  
Were lefthanders singled out for persecution during the middle ages?
The Sinister Tigger.
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From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Subject: Re: Crowns and coronets
Organization: The Rialto
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:48:55 GMT

Martin de Mont Blanc (mka Alex Tewes (u883161@postoffice.utas.edu.au)) writes:
 
>I am interested in finding out if any Kingdom/Principality/ or
>Barony has ever considered, designed or actually built Crowns or coronets out
>of black iron.
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "black" iron.  If you mean wrought 
iron, then I don't know about in the SCA, but there is of course the 
Iron Crown of Lombardy, supposedly worn by Charlemaigne but probably 
actually 10th or 11th century.  (I'm not too up on any OOP history 
except American, but I believe this is the crown with which Napoleon
crowned himself Emperor.)  The Iron Crown is actually mostly gold & 
jewels, but it's built around a thin, narrow inner circlet of wrought 
iron, forged (it is said) out of one of the nails from Christ's cross.
It would make a great model for anyone making an SCA crown.
 
If by "black" iron you mean cast "iron", well . . . it's not iron & 
it's not period.  It's an alloy of iron with a very high percentage 
of carbon (around 5% I think; someone will correct me if I'm wrong) & 
it was invented in the 17th or 18th century.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
alexander@pfc.mit.edu
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Fealty, not oaths, to a kingdom
Date: 4 Nov 1992 21:56:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov04.192202.27157@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
"Greetings from Arval!  
"
"In the midst of a fine discussion of how to remain in fealty to a kingdom
"where you no longer live, Dorothea wrote something extremely confusing: 
"
"> Every time there's a new king in your home kingdom, send a letter
"> with your fealty (if you're a Peer) or homage (if not)...
"
"Do you believe that only peers can swear fealty, and that peers cannot do
"homage?  If so, whyever do you believe it?  

Dear me, I guess it's interkingdom anthropology time again.  The language
used in the West is "fealty" for Peers or Barons or Great Officers;
occasionally "homage" for the rest of the populace (who are generally
not called up at Coronation at all, else the ceremony would be longer
than it is....).

If it's different where you are, well, then, as the auctioneer used to
say, call it what you like and use it for the same purpose....


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
Subject: Re: Strip the Willow 
Organization: Brown University Mathematics Department
	<BRANDON.92Nov5112010@gauss.math.brown.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:32:22 GMT

In article <BRANDON.92Nov5112010@gauss.math.brown.edu> brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon) writes:

   I think you would find that all the dances from Domenico (which I admit I
   have not looked at myself) share enough stylistic elements that calling
   some "medieval" and some "renaissance" purely on the basis of a dividing
   date somewhere in the fifteenth century is highly arbitrary at best.
                         ^^^^^^^^^


Er... a version of this got away from me in which I accidently said
"fourteenth" century.  I tried to cancel it, but in case in didn't work,
please accept my apology for any confusion.  I really do know the
difference!

			---Simon


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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: "period" wristwatches
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:12:46 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

The best solution that I've seen to the problem of having a watch at events
was Duke Gavin's Nurnberg egg.  As it was explained to me, in late-period
Nurnberg, small clocks were built into ornate egg-shaped holders which were
hung from the belt.  Gavin's was made of plain wood, cut in two pieces
horizontally and hinged, with the watch set into the bottom half.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Children in the SCA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:14:09 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

The SCA owes to children and to their activities the same courtesy it
provides to other people and theirs: Reasonable accomodation and
cooperation.  On the other hand, I think it is very important that the
childcare and children's activities remain a private affair, out of the
hands of SCA officers.  I have observed an unpleasant progression in the
SCA from good ideas to bureaucracy: "It would be nice if there were
activities" becomes "It would be nice if someone organized activities"
which becomes "We need an officer to organize activities" which becomes
"Every branch must have an officer to organize activities" and finally
"This officer is responsible for provide activities at every event."

The SCA bureaucracy can be useful for disseminating information.  If
someone wants to publish articles about medieval children's activities
appropriate to the SCA, I think that would be great; I'm delighted that TI
has decided to devote resources to just that goal.  If a branch wants to
hold an event at which they focus on children's activities, that can be
nice too, just like it is nice that some event focus on games or dancing or
cooking.  "Children's activities" should be viewed as an activity in the
SCA like any other activity: Some people do it, some people don't, and the
bureaucracy affords them the same support that it would provide to any
other activity.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: dickerso@fester.dell.com (Russell Dickerson - X2787)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Reniassance Guitar
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: dickerso@cpat.stortek.com
Organization: IO SpecialistsConsulting

Does anyone know if there is a tape for the "Reniassance Guitar" music
book?  Any other suggested book+tape combos for learning a period style.
Rock-n-roll just isn't apropriate.

H.L. Russell Jervis
aka Russell Dickerson


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For every vision, there is an equal and opposite Congressional revision.
From: Bjorn@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.ORG (Bjorn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: You know you're SCAdian.
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:05:08 GMT
Organization: The Internet

"E> You know you're in the SCA when...

"E> ...you are calling Information, and suddenly realize that the operator
"E>    will probably not have a listing for "Duke Hasdrubal Moonshadow"
"E>    (and you cannot remember they guy's mundane name).

A long time ago, in the Middle Kingdom, Yang the Nauseating had recently
founded the Dark Horde.  Some of his minions had traveled far to see him
and upon arriving in his home town, found they had left the paper with
his mundane name, phone number and address at home.  Perplexed as to their 
next move, they decided to call information and see if he had payed for a 
listing under the name Yang.  When the operator came on, they asked for 
Yang the Nauseating, and to their supprise the operator said, "Please hold 
while I connect you."  The next thing they heard was a familiar voice saying, 
"This is Yang the Nauseating..."

It seems Yang, in his mundane guise of Robert Asprin, worked for the phone
company in those days, and some of his co-workers knew about his hobby.  He
now, of course, writes Science Fiction.

Bjorn Bjorklund, Storvik, Atlantia

 -- SPEED 1.00 [NR]: rich@aeneas.ims.disa.mil - but you can call me Bjorn.
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Group activity
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:40:58 GMT

Arval posits:
  The existance of a branch requires the regional and kingdom officers to do
  a certain amount of paper: processing tax reports & quarterly reports,
  overseeing local officers, ensuring that there _are_ local officers, etc.
  For offices which primarily provide specific services as requested (herald,
  marshal), the central workload is only weakly related to the number of
  branches; for offices which primarily supervise (seneschal), there is a
  stronger correlation.

True enough.  There is labor involved in the maintenance of the SCA.
Some of it is even proportional to the number of branches, as opposed
to the activity level.

But, how does this translate directly into Kingdom Resources provided
to a local group?

Much of the workload of the Seneschal's office is self-imposed: Sedalia's
reporting requirements are much larger than her predecessors.  In fact,
she has reduced the reporting requirements this year, in response to
complaints.  From November Pikestaff: "Before you all scream [the year
end report form's] _MUCH_ shorter than last year's form."  According to
our local senschal (if I recall his comments from last winter correctly)
it took longer to fill out the Seneschal's end of year report than to
do his taxes (and he has a house and two kids worth of tax information.)

If a group has no events to report, what's so complicated about
administering it?  What, exactly, does the kingdom provide that is
not mandated by the Board (or even if it is), that is demand driven
by the number of groups, and not the number-of-groups * number-of-events?

And, as I said before:
  And, is running an event an appropriate and suitable form of
  compensation?

Arval comments:
  That is the real question.  There is a legitimate argument that it is:
  Running a public event uses your group's resources to benefit the members
  of other groups.

And, if a local group holds practices that are open to other groups, if
it's members volunteer to help other groups, if it publishes articles in
TI, CA, or the Pikestaff, if it donates money to the Kingdom, or loans
out equipment, fights at Pennsic or any of the millions of SCA things
that a group or it's members can do, it's still some kind of parasite
or burden because it isn't running events?

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: Re: You know you're in the SCA....
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:06:50 GMT

	Why is D&D banned from being played on military bases? Is this only 
true in the U.K. or is it true in the U.S. too? How ridiculous.
				Roisin
SCA: Roisin Ruadh ni Riordain
MKA: Jess Raine
.Net: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (I use the handle Rosaleen Dhu on all
other newsgroups; please do not refer to me by my real name on any other
newsgroup, since I do not feel safe using it anywhere except the Rialto)
From: GRS05300@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Herbert Ernest, Jr. Geozos)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: CONTACT IN DALLAS AREA?????
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:20:54 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: conrad.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Could somebody please E-mail me the Phone/address of the senechal or other
contact to get me started in the Dallas, Texas area.

Many thanks in advance
Herb Geozos
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Group activity
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:13:28 GMT

Gwenllian wrote something which misunderstood my basic point.  Just
because something is a good idea, most of the time, doesn't mean
we should make a rule that mandates it for everyone, all of the
time.  So, while it is a very good idea for events to appear
in kingdom newsletters, it shouldn't be a requirement.

Similarly, you misunderstood my hypothetical example about holding
the obligatory mandated event.  I hope you would stipulate that I
could hold an event, published in my kingdom newsletter, that would
satisfy the letter of the hypothetical law, without it being worth
having, and virtually guaranteeing that nobody would attend.

If you won't so stipulate, we can argue the details. My point was
merely that a rule that can be so easily circumvented, and which is
a thin excuse, and which would hardly ever apply, isn't worth having.
Precis: It's a stupid law.

The theory, however, is very nice.  I have no problem with the theory.

Gwenllian wrote:
  Would *your* KS let you put a date on the calendar that was a Wednesday?
  [ . . . ] Actually, if you look at from your angle, that means somebody cares 
  enough that they should have a chance to keep it open for a while, 
  right?

Kingdom Law here in the East, doesn't restrict days events may be held,
at all. In fact, the following would constitute a complete event announcement
for a fictional event:

  11/5/92 noon to 1:00pm, Carolingia, 1 Fictional Street, Smalltown MA 01700, Mark
  Schuldenfrei (Lord Tibor of Rock Valley) 1 Fictional Street, Smalltown MA
  01700.

Note, no price, no phone number, no activities, nothing. All it would take
would be one, egotistical twit.  It's hardly prima facie evidence of good
will.

Gwenllian continued:
  Well, I agree that it sure wouldn't be much of an event.  The advantage 
  that I see is that we've made sure that they are playing the game, and 
  to me, that's part of the definition of an SCA group.  

I submit, we haven't made sure of anything.

  BTW, I assume that it would be impossible for Carolingia to go a 
  year without holding something?

Well, if you want to stick to facts (:-), it's not impossible.  It would
take a supreme effort on behalf of a foolishly willful person, and they
wouldn't be happy....

I'm not recommending any of this stupidity BTW.  I merely submit that it's
possible.

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
From: JJ9262A@auvm.american.edu (John A. Jordan Ii.)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SWORD HAND/SHIELD HAND
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:06:31 GMT
 <1992Nov9.093119.20009@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center


   Another reason maybe that righties are fighting leftie.  I'm naturally
right-handed, but I fight left-handed because I fought spear before picking
up a sword and board and because left-handed fighters annoy the heck out of
righties.  Sure I got pounded into the ground for a year or so, but I'm
about as good as your average fighter now, and getting better.

                  Jester of Anglesea.
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Subject: Re: Pennsic War\Fair (was Eastrealm Crown)
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:20:17 EST
Organization: Penn State University

on the war vs tourney disclosure method, Alexander of Kiev says:

>But it was in fact handled so poorly that my own guess is that
>it will be on the order of a decade before that idea can resurface
>with any chance of actually being implemented.

As I mentioned once before, the reason that the decision to turn the Pennsic
War in to a tourney wasn't declared before the event because Ruslan and Maggie
and Ronin and Katya didn't come up with the idea until Sunday night, the week
before the war.  So it wasn't really poor handling, it was just a hasty call.

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     internet:        ||    Therion Calgate     ||   and me? I'm for WAR!
 hzs@psuvm.psu.edu    || Mountain Confederation ||
                      ||        Warlord         ||   (but you probably could
   I said what?       ||   of House Decadence   ||    have guessed that.)
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From: haslock@rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)
Subject: Re: Patent revokation.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: na, world
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:04:43 GMT


If the board is dealing with a breach of Corpora as it stands, there is no
reason to discuss changing Corpora now. The breach would still be a breach.

The Board cannot be expected to do anything other than uphold the law as it
stood at the time the action was made. Supporting the action of a Crown in
breaking Corpora would be grounds for requiring the Board to resign en masse.

Nor is it the job of the Board to suggest a fix, especially when the fix is
inherent in Corpora and Kingdom law, i.e. the Crown can hand out a Pelican
any time it so desires.

As I see it, the Board did the right thing and, in effect, is pointing out that
the crown did something stupid. It is up to the crown to make things right, not
the Board. Any pain, suffering or anger that arises from this should be
directed a the person who made the mistake not at the group who told the
world that the laws had been broken and declared the mistaken actions undone.

	Fiacha
	Aquaterra, AnTir
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From: ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu (Lonnie D Harvel)
Subject: Re: swords
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology - DSP
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:56:50 GMT

Greetings to the Rialto, and His Highness Prince Brian.


Alas, I have been fortunate in the events that I have attended.
I have been aware of thefts at events, but the attempts to
force entry into revel sites is distressing.  However, is their
a wide problem of individuals threatening the poplulace with
weoponry or otherwise inflicting bodily harm?  I admit that
I am not well travelled, working full time and going to
school full time doesn't leave much time.  But I was 
unaware that the threat of physical violence had escalated.
I will heartily agree that safety should be overly stressed!
It is quite possible that my obviously incorrect perception
is the product of excellent safety precautions taken by
hosting groups.  For myself, I have only autocrated events
in Camp Rutledge - Hard Labor Creek State Park, and one
day events held in local facilities.  And besides having
some Wardens/Marshalls patrolling the camp entrances and
keeping an eye and ear out during the night, I have never
instigated extensive security.  Either I am very fortunate,
or Camp Rutledge is a relatively "safe" site.

For reference:  from 1981 to 1990 I was a member of the 
Barony of Bryn Madoc in Meridies(Athens, GA).  For the
last two years I have been living in South Downs(Atlanta, GA).
I have been on hiatus for most of the last two years, but plan
to become more active in the coming year. 

If things have indeed become dangerous, I would like to know
in advance especially before events which my lady wife attends
with me.

In Service and with Regards to His Highness,
Aoghann

-- 
     The comments and spelling herein are mine and nobody
                     else lays claim to them.
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Lonnie D. Harvel                 |  ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu