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From: c60a-lf@danube.Berkeley.EDU (                )
Subject: re: Tallis Scholars
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:40:31 GMT

     After hearing the discussions on Tallis Scholars' new album, Brumel's 
"earthquake mass," I still have one quetion in mind.  Should I buy the CD or 
not???  I think Rob said that the 12-part counterpoint sounded really good.
But then someone else also suggested that this piece is quite boring.  
Well, whom should I listen to???  I only have one CD from Tallis Scholars' 
collections, L'homme arme Masses by Josquin, And I too think that 
The Tallis Scholars is one of the best vocal groups that I have heard so far.
Although their sound quality was great on that album, I thought that the music
they sang was quite boring.  (They were "L'homme arme super voces musicales," 
and "L'homme arme sexti toni.")  So, should I risk about $18.00 on 
Brumel's "Earthquake mass"???  And also, which CD from their collection do 
people like the best, and recommand?

     The other vocal groups that I listen to are The King's Singers, (they 
are the best vocal group there is on earth. :), and the Chanticleers.  The
Chanticleers also have an album out on some of Brumel's works.  (Can't 
remember the name since I give the CD to my sister.)  And it's one of my
favorite cds.  Anyone out there that also listen to these groups?

Paul.

hsu@nes.nersc.gov
From: Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Alternate Classical-Music FAQ Memo
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:49:31 GMT
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Hear, hear!!
From: Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Glass meets Clive Barker response
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:25:25 GMT
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In article <1992Oct15.061918.19057@Princeton.EDU>
roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

> Does anyone care?  What kind of argument is that?  
> "A composer's greatness is measured by the fact that his operas
> are higher in quality each time."  Sorry, no.
 
A great composer IMRPOVES his craft. Whether the opera itself is good
or not is also due to extranneous circumstances (and in Verdi's day
massive time constraints, Verdi wrote Aida in a month, Glass had much
longer for the Voyage. Same level of achievement?) No matter how bad
Stiffelio is (and its pretty bad) Given the narrow time contraints
Verdi still doesn't repeat the same mistakes (like Glass' vocal writing
travesties) but makes errors "of commission" trying to achieve
something new but failing.

If you defend the Verdi basher how come I'm being crucified for
attacking Glass. (God, again I wrote them in the same sentence) What
about my tastes? 

However, I'm not thin-skinned enough have my battles fough for me.
From: Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Glass meets Clive Barker
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:30:49 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <Z8qPsB1w165w@artsnet.UUCP>
mgresham@artsnet.UUCP (Mark Gresham) writes:

> Does that mean that in 30 years people will re-examine the music
> and say it wasn't so bad after all? :-)  (That is, if it IS a repeat
> of what happened with Anthony and Cleopatra.)

Oh yeah you're right, I see new productions and recordings of A&C
everywhere I go. And how many forgotten unoriginal pieces can you say
"Well, it wasn't so bad after all?" (It certainly wasn't good!)
From: hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Need opinion on Beethoven's FIDELIO
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:24:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

The Klemperer version on Angel is just breathtaking...Jon Vickers and
Christa Ludwig are electrifying.  Outstanding recording.







 - Mike Hurben                       "...leuchtende Liebe, lachender Tod!"
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel)
Subject: Re: Rott's Symphony
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 04:25:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.011311.19907@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu (William C. Haga) writes...

>In article <16147@mindlink.bc.ca> Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:
>>There was some discussion here about Rott's Symphony recently.
> 
>I ventured to the all classical store in search of Rott, and discovered
>two recordings -- the BIS with the Norrkoping symphony, recorded in 1992,
>and an earlier one by the Cincinnati Philharmonia.  It was the Cincinnati
>group that gave the symphony its first performance in 1989, 109 years 
>after it was finished.  I compared the timings; the BIS recording is 64
>minutes, and the Cincinnati one was ten minutes shorter.  Since I
>usually like slower tempi, I bought the BIS, a buying decision based
>on nothing more than the timings.
> 
>I am not disappointed!  The recording is superb, especially of the
>brass.  The performance was impressive.  

I concur.  I recently bought this after seeing the Rott postings, and the
BIS recording is great, and the perfomance is very fine as well.  I noticed
in this month's Grammophone that Lief Segerstam and the Norrkoping SO have
released a Mahler 7th and 9th.  Grammophone gave it a qualified thumbs up, 
but I would like to here more from this collaboration.

Ron
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From: hsmoliar+@cs.cmu.edu (Harold Smoliar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Deutsche Staatsoper Berlin
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:34:01 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <199210131554.AA14735@tuna.wang.com> IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:
>Regarding the request on rec.music.classical for the
>addresses of leading European opera houses, etc.,  the
>Deutsche Staatsoper in Berlin is located at:
>
>                 Unter den Linden 7
>                 0-1086 Berlin
>
And could someone please help me out with the address of Covent Garden?
Many thanks.

Harold Smoliar
English horn, Pittsburgh Symphony
Piano, Symphony Jazz Trio
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted: Rachmaninov Piano Con. 3
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:39:52 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Oct14.144855.1635@impmh.uucp> cm@impmh.uucp (Colin  
Manning) writes:
> 
> I've recently discovered Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto no. 3.  
> The recording I have is that of Vladimir Ashkenazy.
> 
> Could anyone who knows this piece suggest any alternate/better (in
> their humble opinion) recordings ?
> 

The Van Cliburn recording is very good. It's available on CD
with one other piano concerto (the Prokofiev 3rd, I think).

Horowitz made two recordings of the concerto. The older one 
(with Reiner, I think) is quite good also.  I haven't heard
the newer one (with Ormandy) but I've heard that it is nowhere
near as good as the older recording.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: mikulska@crux.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska)
Subject: Re: Dr. Faustus
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: mikulska@astro.princeton.edu (Margaret Mikulska)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.070743.11478@ousrvr.oulu.fi> leiwo@phoenix (Jussi Leiwo) writes:
>
>Well, the person who had translated the book into finnish wrote in the
>introduction that the ideas for that 'new music' come from Mr. Schonberg's
>compositions.

Interestingly enough, the person who _wrote_ the book stated the same in
a very short afterword to his book.

-Margaret

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter)
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted: Rachmaninov Piano Con. 3
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:35:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.144855.1635@impmh.uucp> cm@impmh.uucp (Colin Manning) writes:
>
>I've recently discovered Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto no. 3.  
>The recording I have is that of Vladimir Ashkenazy.
>
>Could anyone who knows this piece suggest any alternate/better (in
>their humble opinion) recordings ?
>
>-- 
>Colin Manning     cm@impmh.uucp      Tel: +44 753 516599


On the Music & Arts label:  dim, scratchy, hell-bent-for-leather
performances of both 2 and 3, Gieseking & Mengelberg.  I've got
several recordings, but this is the one I listen to most often.
From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: MusicTeX and MuTeX
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:49:49 GMT
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany

In <9210120810.AA20995@is1.vub.ac.be> jqdoumen@vub.ac.be (Doumen Jan) writes:

>Someone asked if there are macro's for TeX and LaTeX for making musicscores.
>The answer is YES !
>It is called MusicTeX and can be ftp'ed from a lot of sites.
>I don't know the nearest adress for your place, who ever asked for this,
>but I suggest you subscribe to mutex@stolaf.edu or musictex@stolaf.edu
>and ask for a list of ftp-sites.

send your request to   mutex-request@stolaf.edu

>The difference between MuTeX and MusicTeX is that the first is for
>single bar notation and the MusicTeX is for multiple bar notation.

single system vs. complete scores for up to nine instruments.

MuTeX was the first; MusicTeX has been derived from MuTeX and is now
99,9% different. MuTeX generates a little bit nicer output, better spacing,
nicer slurs, ... But MusicTeX is maintained by the author, has a bigger
number of users (IMHO), ... I use both - but in the meantime I prefer
MusicTeX.

MusicTeX is available by anonymous ftp e.g. from here:

  ftp.gmd.de [129.26.8.90]    music/musictex/musictex.zip

And not to forget: it's under development, so archie will find for you a
lot of out-of-date versions.

>Hope this helps.
Hope this hilft.

Werner
--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: nsh3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nadine S Harris)
Subject: Re: Das Lied van der Erde ( was Re: Mahler 1)
Reply-To: nsh3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nadine S Harris)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:09:45 GMT

In article <Bvrp88.C7p@news.udel.edu> conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon
Conrad) writes:

>  Is there *any* recent example of a singer
>who maintained cleanly defined tone into his/her later years?

Jan Peerce.


If Kraus sounds good to you, consider that he sings only a few bel
canto roles.  He will not sing Puccini.  That's how he manages an
international career which involves singing in 4,000-seat barns.
If he didn't he'd be singing weddings.  There's no big money
unless you tour the big houses, and no recording contracts.  And
those houses exact a price, which always seem to produce a wobble
by the time the singer is in their fifties.  

Possibly the early twentieth century singers sound good because they
sang in small houses, many of which were built before Verdi and
Wagner.

When Gigli got too old to do opera he did countless singing tours,
where he would concertize four or five times a week.  He did this
From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Rott's Symphony
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:16:14 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

There was some discussion here about Rott's Symphony recently. Does anyone
know if there was a review of the BIS version in Fanfare yet? More
specifically, I would like to know which is best because my favorite CD store
is having a big sale this holiday weekend! Please post quickly!

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: jwebb@oak.math.ucla.edu (Janet Y. Webb)
Subject: LA Phil 
Summary: Inaugural Season 
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:59:15 GMT

	Did anyone go to the inaugural concert last night of the L.A. 
Philharmonic with the new conductor Solenen?  There's been a lot of 
talk in the LA Times about what a wonderful conductor S. is especially
compared to Andre Previn but I am curious what the consensus here is.
	What do LA folks think about S.?


Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Glass meets Clive Barker response
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:37:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.233130.1125@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) writes:
>In article <98533@bu.edu>
>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>> Sure, not _here_ but rather at ticket booths where it matters.
>If ticket booths make the difference then Glass is lagging far behind
>the modern "opera" of broadway or the great operas of Verdi Wagner and
>Mozart et al.

OK, so what about it?  Are you now going to tell us that _Cats_ is
better than Wagner?  _Phantom of the Opera_ better than _Trovatore_?

Glass has a huge audience that classical music *doesn't* have, you
know.  The audience that's enjoyed his movie scores.  The hundreds 
of thousands who heard _Glassworks_.  The gazillions who buy Ransom
Wilson's records.  Opera occasionally has a hit via the World Cup
or a Delta Airlines commercial; but how many Verdi operas, of the 30
he wrote, have even *one* well-recognized hit?

Roger
From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: used CD market (was Re: price of CDs (was Re: EMI price increase)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Oct14.212000.10529
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1bhqq0INN7aq@calvin.usc.edu> alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves) writes:
>
>Personally, almost all the CDs I buy these days are used.
>
>Bill

This brings up another question I have: how well is the used-CD market working?
A priori, prices (both sell and buy) on used CDs shouldn't be too far from
new ones, because there is no deterioration of the object, and the "high"
price of new CDs creates a barrier to experimentation.

In my limited experience in the SF Bay Area, the buy price was $4 and the
the sell price was about $10.  Is this true elsewhere (or did I miss the 
really good stores?) What accounts for such a spread?
From: bmtong@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Tong Bo-Ming)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Barenboim's new Bruckner cycle
Keywords: Bruckner, Barenboim
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:19:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cucs5.1992Oct14.071958.17963
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong

dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) writes:

>barenboim is of the Furtwaengler/Jochum school of Bruckner
>interpretation, emphasising the mystical/spiritual aspects of the
>music - as opposed (IMO) to the rather more literal Karajan et. al.
>school - and he clearly gets to grips with what Deryck Cooke described
>as the 'essential visionary dreariness' (wonderful phrase!) of this
>symphony. The Berliners, naturally, play brilliantly and the recording
>seems (I haven't had a chance to play it on my 'serious' stereo yet)
>very fine too. The Teldec engineers produced, for the 9th, one of the
>finest sounds I've ever heard from the Philharmonie; this new
>recording was made in the Schauspielhaus (lie Lennie's Beethoven 9).

	What is meant by a 'literal' interpretation ? (Can you be more
specific ?)  How would you classify Wand ?

						Tong Bo-Ming
From: as432@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Dettra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Tallis Scholars...
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:06:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: as432@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Dettra)
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In a previous article, aflorjan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan S Florjancic) says:

>Would anyone know if the Vocal Group, the Tallis Scholars has released any new
>music within the past few months. 

Here are the latest releases:

Thomas Tomkins: Great Service and English Anthems   CDGIM024    (buy this!)
Thomas Tallis: Lamentations, Salve intemerata Virgo and Latin
 	       Motets    CDGIM025
Antoine Brumel: Missa Et ecce terrae motus (the 12-part earthquake mass),
                Lamentations, and Magnificat secundi toni   CDGIM026

Future projects include:

Taverner, Tye and Sheppard: The Western Wind Masses  (if they fit on 1 CD)
Duarte Lobo: Requiem

-Scott Dettra
as432@cleveland.freenet.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,soc.culture.german
From: mcinnes@iiasa.ac.at (Robert  McINNES)
Subject: Re: Deutsche Staatsoper Berlin
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, Laxenburg, Austria
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:36:40 GMT


 
B

It's difficult, but nothing in life is impossible.  I and others have
been succesful in the past.  Write NOW to the Kartenbuero, Festspielhaus
Bayreuth for the program and order form and send it back as soon as
possible; your chances of getting tickets are above 0. It's more
difficult getting a hotel room.
Bob McInnes

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Brahms 3rd Symphony (Repost)
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:22:37 GMT

In article <CB.92Oct9142105@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>Steve Boyce:
>
>   I'm looking for a good recording of Brahms 3rd and would appreciate
>   your recommendations.  The recordings I have seen in local stores are
>   Szell (Sony), Bernstein(Sony and DG), Karajan
>   ^^^^^
>Szell is my own favorite.  To put things simply, Brahms consists of
>classical structure with romantic content.  Szell emphasizes the
>classical medium, and the content takes care of itself just fine.
>Bernstein is just the opposite--the performance has a kind of sob and
>and loud lamention that, for me, merely gild the lily.

My favourites are Furtwaengler (DG) and Cantelli (EMI). Of more modern
(i.e stereo - actually is the Cantelli stereo, or is that the
accompanying Schumann 4, can't recall) recordings my favourites are
Barbirolli with the VPO - *when* are EMI going to reissue these? - and
Rafael Kubeliks BRSO cycle on Orfeo, not cheap but a great
performance, as indeed were his 1950s VPO recordings - another
candidate for reissue Polygram!

Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
From: maverick@fir.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Need info on Kraanerg by Xenakis
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In article <music.718578473@batman>, music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller) writes:
|> 
|> So, is Roger Woodward the _conductor_ or is there a major piano part
|> in it as well? Do you know if it's scored out or an improve sort of
|> thing (rare for Xenakis, if ever)?

He's the conductor -- Alpha Centauri is a nonce ensemble he put together to
play Kraanerg for the first time since its premiere (in 1969?) -- and as far
as I know it's fully scored.  Twenty breasts, five dead bodies. 
Contrabassoon fu, bandpass filter fu.  Drive-In Academy Award to the
Sieve of Eratosthenes, as the piccolo part, for saying "shreeeeeeeee...."

	Vance Bob
From: dfoster@maths.tcd.ie (Duncan Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Bach's sixth cello suite. What happened?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:40:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

Can anyone recommend a good recording of the entire six??

Duncan.
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted: Rachmaninov Piano Con. 3
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:09:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.183310.29182@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.144855.1635@impmh.uucp> cm@impmh.uucp (Colin Manning) writes:
># 
># I've recently discovered Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto no. 3.  
># The recording I have is that of Vladimir Ashkenazy.
># 
># Could anyone who knows this piece suggest any alternate/better (in
># their humble opinion) recordings ?
>
>Horowitz/Reiner (the one from the 50s), on RCA.  Rachmaninov himself said
>that Horowitz was the only one for this piece.

You should be aware that Horowitz recorded it more than once (three
times?) Most critics agree that his finest performance was his first,
from 1926(7?) with Albert Coates as conductor. This would have been
the recording the composer was fmailiar with, unless he was referring
to live performances he had heard. I can't say I'm wild about this
work, hence the hesitancy.

Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.



Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Opera in the vernacular
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:17:28 GMT

In article <Bw4J9u.KJr@news.udel.edu>, conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> The hardest places in a piece like the RING are, as Porter acknowledges, 
> the simplest and shortest: what can you do, for instance, about "Heil 
> dir, [probable breath] Sonne!" ?  As Porter notes, the only idiomatic
> equivalents with the right syllables and stress are "Hi there,
> sunshine!" or "Howdy, sunshine!" and they won't do.  So he had to settle
> for a stilted "Hail, fair sunlight," and that puts the possible caesura
> in the wrong spot.

What did he do with "Rache rieten sie mir!"?