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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Conservative?  Hahaha....
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:30:43 GMT

In article <ZsowwB1w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
>
>> So we now have, in Colorado, for the first time since slavery
>> was abolished, a situation in which discrimination against
>> a person, on grounds which are extraneous to the situation at hand,
>> is now sanctioned by the state, in that the discriminatee is
>> explicitly denied the equal protection of the law.
>
>That's a point that legal scholars have been bouncing back and forth for
>decades. Does "equal protection under law" mean that laws must be
>created to specifically protect each and every group?

I would think not, unless a case can be made that a historical pattern
of discrimination exists.

> I'm left-handed,
>and find the use of the word "sinister" to be an affront to people who
>write with their left hand. Does this merit Yet Another Law?
>

Gays aren't calling for the use of the word 'fag' to be made illegal.
What they're asking for is the right to compete for jobs, housing, and
so on without having to deal with being turned down *simply because
they're gay*. I doubt that many people have been refused employment
on the grounds that they were left-handed. The 'Cracker Barrel'
restaurant chain, however, flatly states that they will deny
employment to any and all gay applicants, strictly on those grounds.


>Don't get me wrong - I think that most bigots are, basically, stupid
>people. But I'm not convinced that passing more laws regulating people's
>lives is the solution.
>

For someone who has been denied a job because they were black, or
female, or gay, it sure does look like a solution worth trying. Your
surname suggests Irish ancestry. Did you ever have to contend with
'No Irish need apply'?  Did any of your grandparents?


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: Willie Fundie?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:57:38 GMT

cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:

>In article <C0p8uE.C8H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins) writes:

>>I see that guv clinton said goodbye to his (Southern?) Baptist
>>congregation yesterday.  Whenever liberals begin to fat-mouth
>>conservatives, they often lump them all together as "Right-Wing
>>Fundamentalists." Since Baptists are about as fundamental as it gets,
>>does that mean that willie is one of the hated fundamentalists, or does
>>it mean that he only pretends to be one whenever there's a photo-op
>>involved?  If he is a "fundie," as I've seen them referred to here,
>>then it seems to me that he'd feel compelled to support his church's
>>positions.  If he belonged to a country club that excluded blacks or
>>jews, there would be a terrible outcry, but he belongs to an
>>organization that is strongly anti-abortion and against the practice of
>>homosexuality, and nobody has said a word.  Why haven't we heard a peep
>>from either of these groups regarding his support of an organization
>>that actively opposes them?

>Gee, it seems you have just uncovered two things about religion:
>1) There are a lot of variations between what members of the same
>faith purport to believe (i.e., some Baptists are fundamentalists, others
>not) and
>2) Religious people can in good conscience support abortion if they feel
>abortion is not contrary to their religious doctrine.
>Chris

I'm not talking about "religion." Let's forget about the Baptists for a
moment and quite correctly state that he belongs to an organization
that is against against homosexual behavior and opposes abortion.  He
supports that group financially (we presume), participates in their
meetings, and has probably been a member all of his life.  Why would he
support any group that is so contrary to his public position on those
issues?  And as I asked earlier, why wouldn't the two groups that I've
mentioned here be actively protesting his membership in that
organization?  What's the difference whether we're talking about a
church or a country club?

|===========================================================================|
|Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American    | Success is getting what you want.  |
| & Advance Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. |
|Internet: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu |     -- Brother Dave Gardner        |
|===========================================================================|
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From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)
Subject: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:18:48 GMT
Keywords: Liberal law making

 Once again I think we need to look at the basics of CO Amend. 2.  This amend.
is a direct result of several cities passing 'Gay Protection' laws.  So, what
does the state do?  It passes a LAW to outlaw the other laws.  Does this sound
strange to you?  As a conservative, I am for smaller government (fewer laws of
more substance).  So why is it that the conservatives have enacted this new
law?  It would have been smarter to attack the liberal cities to get rid of
the first laws.  The CO2 approach is wrong for conservatives, and it sends the
wrong message to radical liberals ( Queer Nations ).  The way to fight radical
liberalism is not to adopt their tactics ( more laws ), but to go after their
silly laws as they are.
 I know that the cities are more liberal than the state, but there must be 
other ways for the state to put pressure on the cities ( state funds ? ).




Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Colorado Vote (was Sexuality)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:57:36 GMT

[Cross-posts to alt.politics.homosexuality and alt.politics deleted]

popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell) writes:

>And it is the Xian homophobes amongst us that are putting such things as 
>referendum 9 in ashington, and Proposition 2 in Colorado.  And in the 
>case of Colorado, getting their way.  This is a worrisome trend.  If this 
>bothers other nonhomophobic Xians and Conservatives, better start 
>opposing these people strongly less this homophobia become the image of 
>the "average Christan or Conservative".  

Why do you single out Christians and conservatives?  How many of the
Colorado voters were Christians?  How many were conservatives?  If Pat
Schroeder and the Aspen crowd are any indication, I'd say you are
really stretching it to even suggest that conservatives have overrun
Colorado.  That leaves Christians, and I'd have a real hard time
believing that the majority of Colorado citizens are of that
persuasion.  Gee, could it be that the _voters_ made a rational
decision?

By the way, since most charges like this tend to combine Christianity
and conservatism, I'd like to know when conservatives got their lock on
Christianity.  Too bad about all those heathen liberals, eh?

|===========================================================================|
|Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American    | Success is getting what you want.  |
| & Advance Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. |
|Internet: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu |     -- Brother Dave Gardner        |
|===========================================================================|
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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Who sings "Moving On Up"?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:57:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Distribution: usa
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
: Any trivia buffs able to help out a poor summary writer by telling me
: who performs "Moving On Up," which is Rush's update theme for Carol 
: Moseley Braun. Thanks much - John Switzer.
: -- 
: John Switzer               | "What we have here is a failure to 
:                            | masticate."
: Compuserve: 74076,1250     | -- MST3K's Dr. Clayton "Firebrand" Forrester, 
: Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | after TV's Frank is unable to eat his 13th turkey.

Some anonymous bunch of studio musicians, no doubt.  It was the 
theme to "The Jeffersons".

Bill
.
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:35:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Berserk Sex Maniacs (was  Re: Lifestyle Choices)
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

Jimmy Swaggert?



	       


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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Talking bout Rush and the Great Conspiracy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:57:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.160850.18112@nwnexus.WA.COM> pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. H
ampe) writes:
>
>Oh well - as the old cliche has it, Conservatives think
>that Liberals are wrong; Liberals think that Conservatives
>are stupid.

     Better: Conservatives think Liberals are fools; Liberals think 
Conservatives are evil.

                                  Steve
                                  One of the "evil" ones :-)
|
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
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From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Conservative?  Hahaha....
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:21:29 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:

> In article <16B4B8D3.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David 
> >In article <C08L2F.I7F@ddsw1.mcs.com>
> >karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
> >
> >>I have noticed a definite hypocrisy in the term "Conservative", especially
> >>as applied by Rush...
> >>
> >>Has anyone noted that Rush, and most other "Conservatives", support the
> >>measure which passed in Colorado (family values and all that)?
> >>
> >>Yet, is not one of the founding principles of conservative thought that the
> >>government should make fewer laws,
> >
> >       Just to make a point, a position that the government should make
> >fewer laws does not mean that you object to every new law which comes
> >down the pike simply because it is a new law.
> >
> >>and leave people more alone (than the
> >>liberals)?
> >
> >       Actually, the impression I get is that the problem with the
> >Colorado amendment is that it leaves people *too much* alone.  That
> >the government doesn't step in at the "right" times.
> >
> 
> My impression of the Colorado amendment is that it
> prohibits the creation of laws which forbid discrimination
> based on sexual orientation. In other words, it doesn't say 
> explicity that discrimination against gays is legal; what it
> says is that attempts to outlaw discrimination against gays
> is illegal, which in practical terms amounts to the same thing.
> 
> So we now have, in Colorado, for the first time since slavery
> was abolished, a situation in which discrimination against
> a person, on grounds which are extraneous to the situation at hand,
> is now sanctioned by the state, in that the discriminatee is
> explicitly denied the equal protection of the law.
> 
> I wasn't aware that denial of the equal protection of the law,
> in violation of provisions of the U.S. Constitution,
> was a 'conservative' position.
> 
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >David Veal     Division of Continuing Education Information Services Group
> >               University of Tennessee, Knoxville
> >               PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu
> 
> Don Pajerek
> 
> Standard disclaimers apply.


Don's post is one of the few useful and thoughtful posts I have seen on 
the Colorado situation.  I wonder how it will hold up in the Supreme 
Court?

My disgust at this situation mainly stems from the way Coloradans bought 
the lie that this proposition was to prevent Gays from voting themselves 
rights above and beyond the rights of normal citizens when it was a 
simple case of allowing gays to remain second rate citizens.

--
popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: birmingh@fnalf.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: What can we expect from President Hillary Clinton?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:01:48 -0600
Organization: Deep Thirteen
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1it5ooINN8bd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, ryanm@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly) says:
> 
>>
>>Personally I was iritated with Slicks winning.  However, I feel it is time
>>that the demos have a crack at it, all on their own.  If they fail then
>>the republicans will be in solid.  If they succeed than I guess I will
>>join the rest of the poor who are taxed to death by Taxula :)
>>
>>I am taking a wait and see position.  BTW if you haven't guessed I am a
>>conservitive.  --Ryan
> 
>        No shit.  Most "conservitives" show as great a command of English
> grammar and spelling as you do.  See you at the inauguration, and good luck
> with that remedial reading class.

         Though I am a non-conservative, I feel that I should point out
    that spelling/grammar flames are passe. Exemptions include:

         (1) Other peoples' spelling/grammar flames

         (2) Articles where the flame-ee is asking for it (pointing out
    his/her 'superior' education, for example.)

         Your flame was, if I may quote Quayle, "un-called-for." Why not
    attack his assumption that the Democrats will either fail, or tax
    everybody to death (in other words, fail?)  Or say "quitcher whinin',
    sore loser." Say something remotely constructive, or at least funny.

         Please, if we are to debate, let it be in a civil fashion. This
    "culture wars" stuff is bullshit.

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
 You, sir, are no William Strunk.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: catstyle@cathouse.aiss.uiuc.edu (Jason R. Heimbaugh)
Subject: Re: Summary Thu 12/31/92
Reply-To: jrh@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,usa,alt,na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:29:43 GMT

In article <C0G7yH.Ao@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don  
Wiggins) writes:
> catstyle@cathouse.aiss.uiuc.edu (Jason R. Heimbaugh) writes:
> >Hey, a full year of Rush transcripts takes up 10 MB of disk space. 
> >What a nice round number and complete waste of your time reading this.
> 
> Even though I disagree with your analysis, I appreciate the fact that
> someone posted something here that actually belongs here.  Way to go.

Just to clarify, I meant that *my* post was a complete waste of your time,  
*not* the fine job John Switzer does in doing the transcripts.

--
Jason R. Heimbaugh (CatStyle)
jrh@uiuc.edu
"If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me?" --Ronnie Van Zant
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: Liberal media (was Re: What Liberals have done to us already, not what t)
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:45:17 GMT

Tom Perigrin (tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu) wrote:
: In article <C0My1K.3AD@unix.portal.com> mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:
: 
: >As for MASH, what kind of image of the military do you think its message
: >intended to leave?  Those who were in the military because they cared about 
: >the military were all depicted as idiots, sex maniacs, incompetents, and the
: >like.
: 
: Was Col. Potter an idiot, a sex maniac, or incompetent?    Too bad you
: blew an otherwise correct statement with an overenthusiastic "all".

Touche on two points: overenthusiastic and "all" :)

I also want to add that in no way do I suggest censorship in any official
form (i.e. government/law/regulation).  I actually LIKE the shows I talked
about, and am a BIG mash fan.  It doesn't change my observations, though.
What I do suggest is that these obviously wonderfully talented people should
consider the message they put out...

cheers.
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From: pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe)
Subject: In Re: Debate in a Vacuum!
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:40:54 GMT

Mark wrote a rather well reasoned article trying
to interject some decorum into this group and was
rejected out of hand.

Sorry MArk, but rationalaity and logic is a development
of EuroCentricPatriarchalMonotheism which as we all know
is the sole source of Evil And Suffering.  (Just think -
if it hadn't been for the invention of AT&T we wouldn't
know about how bad things were past the county line.)

Therefor it follows that attempts to introduce Paternalist
Linear Logic into what is after all a Sharing of Opinion
is a terrible Faux Paux.  What is important is not the 
results or the process, but just that people have Shared
and Respected each other input.  Confrontation, or even 
contradiction, shows a lack of empathy, a closed mindedness
'typical of the anti-nuturing dominance oriented 
EuroCentricPatriarchalMonotheism technophiles.'

Okay - having said all that, I will re-enter the real world.
The logic is good, the problem is that few poeple want to
deal with the implications of what is said or done.  NObody
asks "is this good for all of us?"  [Along those lines,
in 1983 the Supreme Court ruled that religious belief must
take second place to 'public policy', regardless of the
sincerity of the belief.  {IRS vs. Bob Jones et al.} 
While there was much rejoicing that those wicked evil 
segregationist no longer were getting a tax subsidy (in 
the form of tax-deductible contributions) very few people
were noting the detail of "public policy uber alles."  That
little clause simply means that if the Federal Government
declares that it is public policy for X to happen, you are
not allowed to oppose X on religious ground.  Goodby to
consciencious objections.  Of course if we then have a
change of government and it becomes public policy to
oh ... control access to media, quarentine contagious diseases
or require every one to burn a flag on friday (favored
by the FlagMakerLobby) your  will not be allowed to say
It violates my conscience to do so.)

chus
pyotr

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From: mdclar00@nx40.mik.uky.edu (matthew david clarke)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: CIS address please
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:36:09 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx40.mik.uky.edu!mdclar00

Does anyone know Rush's Compuserve address?

If so, please mail or post..........   Anyway, how do I mail him from here
when I find out.

Matt.
.

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From: unhealth@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kristian Dunn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: alt.conservative.forum
Keywords: new news groups
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:49:11 GMT

In <C0FzEu.JvK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:


>  Several days ago I saw the suggestion to create a new news group for 
>conservative discussion.  I would like to reiterate this idea, because this
>news group really should be for discussions of what Rush has to say.  I do
>not get to hear his radio show, and would like to catch up on what has been
>said without sifting through a large number of postings about other worthy
>ideas.  I would definately subscribe to the new group, and it would help
>everyone.

Mega Dittos Dude!
You are exactly right, but I was thinking of something along the lines of 
alt.right.wing or something like that because GOD told me so! No but seriously,
I think it would be a terrific idea, but it would get dull after a while if 
there were no liberals brave enough to argue against the subscribers and post-
ers.
					Kristian Dunn

By the way, look for my article "The right winger has repented" in alt.skinheads
it is a very funny anecdote!
:x
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: The Plunder of China
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:43:06 GMT

    I was listening to Rush's first hour today and in his multi-cultural 
update when he was reeling off the list of the many places that have been 
savaged by Evil White Europeans he came to China and paused, commenting 
that China wasn't actually one of those places "because there was nothing 
there to plunder".

    Now I know (of course) that Rush performs his show flawlessly with 
zero mistakes because his show is just the act of Rush being himself, 
but for all that I would still have to say that the British Opium wars, 
the 1860 march on Peking, accompanied by the sack of hundreds of buildings 
in the Emperor's Summer Palace may well be evidence that Rush is a better 
talk show host than he is a historian. Objects of value which were removed 
from the Summer Palace before its many buildings were burned were valued 
at millions of pounds; we're not talking about a couple trinkets here.

    I also know that this isn't a big deal, and that this is one of the 
incredibly small percentage that makes up that 2.3 percent or whatever it 
is that Rush would probably admit to being wrong. But it gave me a good 
laugh, especially later when Rush picked up the "Rennaisance Radio" theme. 
"Yeah," I thought, "radio that hasn't had to check it's history books since 
the Rennaisance."

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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