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From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Where are the Humanists?
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:02:25 GMT


Has Humanism died! Is it the era of ethnical wars, religious bigotry,
ultranationalism and racial prejudices. Nobody talks about human
common values and common interests. It is only the differences
which are magnified. We are back to the interwar period of
1918-1939. With this economical downturn continuing, there
will be soon more disaster to come when western countries start
trade wars among themselves to protect their own skins (I sound
like Jimmy Swagger propheting the near end of the world!). If we
unite in our prejudices (choose one good one) we could defintely
make a strong fascist party by the participation of all of us
in this group (a good idea, actually. I had not thought about 
this before! Maybe we should).

                                        Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:31:53 GMT

jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh) writes:

>farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>>rwty hjsolp fsrqtg nvmjko lplaq czxbne ctwylpp mfkloqwy bfgtey awqsde
>>mnklopo bfgyeht ma mgryhfu kw dnfju jfjeuj ay ncmdnwh ip laksopqo df
>>dfwtrdg hg djryuoa yu kfkoppl. Qwest qwwploik dj bchssj aszdwr kjlopl
>>gtekklo dx? hfyueo gslpzxas sl hfhuik nvbmki h gdtwuj kjoulpok b fbryuj
>>gdteuio. wetbbcj luopzs j drwtgb kjliopq km mnfjklwi w gdteyhj facbv av
>>jfuiolp asqwrt xvcbnmu zxsdwe mnkloyp bvznmj zasdetg gnmhk!
>>   
>>     
>> - Farzin Mokhtarian
>>   farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
>>                
>It seems like you are describing your conversation with your donkey
>(KHAR), or is it possible that you have suffered a nervous breakdown?
>Take it easy for a while.

Please Jamsheed bare with Farzin.
He is an 'aasheq and with an 'aasheq you cannot do too much reasoning.
'eshq is blind to logic and no logic can beat 'eshq.
If you wonder why all discussions with Farzin is cyclic (starts with a set
of assumptions and end with exactly the same thing) the answer is nothing but

	'	E	S	H	Q

'aasheq only sees 'mashoq in ONE way and that is the way that 'eshq determines.
khodaa besozooneh pedare 'eshq ro.

>--jamshid

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: How could we help the victims of Andrew.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:49:28 GMT

In article <sehari.715453031@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>---
>I heard the news that there was natural disaster in Florida, and neighboring 
>states.  In line with our tradition of good deeds for people in need, I would
>like to donate money to the victims of this natural disaster. I also know
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
since you are in the donating mood, why don't you start with donating
your brain to science. i think there is much to be learned by it.

behzad

p.s. you have a brain of a five year old and the five year old was
glad to get rid of it.
From: saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: A WORD OF CAUTION
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:16:15 GMT
Organization: Clarkson University

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh) writes:

>>darvish@khAneghAh.alishAh (darvish-ali) writes:
>>> ......
>>>If someone expresses a question such:
>>>     Why some Persians hate Arabs?
>>>     ;Why Arabs hate Iranians?
>>      
>>      Watch your mouth. You say *some Persians* hate Arabs, 
>>      then *Arabs* hate Iranians. It is the difference between
>>      some and all.
>>      
>Don't make those Iranians who do not hate Arabs change their mind.
>Think twice before posting on the net Anwar.

  What did you understand from my reply? Do you assume that 
  all Arabs hate Persians? I wouldn't say anything, if the 
  above (by Mr. Darvish-ali) was on the form:
       Why some Persians hate Arabs?
      ;Why some Arabs hate Persians?

  This missing "some" in the his second question, implies 
  that "all" Arabs hate Persians.
___________________________________________________________________
                                                        Anwar Saleh
From: hermi@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Mack---and Racial slurs
Date: 26 Aug 1992 15:10:35 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: shape.mps.ohio-state.edu

Monsieur Mack still lives in the middle ages.  If I live with my inferioity
complex, he still lives with the accumulated centuries of hatred towards
the world and people of Islam.  As for my weak English I will sew my mother
for only speaking arabic and send my protest for the U.N. that the Arabic 
language and Arabic culture should be banned in all Arabic states, that 
English, the language of the new sophisticated colonizer in the middle east 
should be spoken... so that we we come to this beloved country of ours
we do not have to speak childish English or with a foreign accent. After all
it is the language of the white and pure, the language of the people with
blue pure blood, Banni Al-ssfar as our grand fathers called them, the people
of the yellowish skin...

Lotfi al-Arabi 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: A WORD OF CAUTION
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:09:41 GMT

In <darvish.4@khAneghAh.alishAh> darvish@khAneghAh.alishAh (darvish-ali) writes:

>Now since I see the heat between two sides of Arabian and Ajamian

Are you talking about Iranians and Tazis?!  You talked so much about
the importance of unity and started by "Arabian and Ajamian"?! -:)
At least, your sincerity is in question here.

                     With highest regards,
                          Babak   Sehari.
From: paran_p@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pirouz Parang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: International Copyright Laws
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:23:50 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


	I have heard that Iran has not signed International copyright agreements and thus, Iranian publishers are not protected or restricted by them.
Does anyone know more about this?
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Republican Convention
Summary: Just a short comment
Date: 28 Aug 1992 21:53:04 GMT

In article <28AUG199213580644@utrcv1>, ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:
> 
> I'm back from my short vacation and I found lots of disgusting response
> to my pervious article that I posted about Republican Convention

I am wondering why you guys use such a strong words for addressing
to each other works on the net? could not you guys respect each other?
Disgusting is not a good word if you want to make a point in the right
way.

> Some
> people feel moral value and religion is important in a person's life but the
> government has to stay out of it. Hey I call this a real hypocrisy. 

I am not lucky or unlucky enough to be an American, as you are (and
ofcourse I do not envy you for it!!!). But since you are such a proud
American (It seems that you are, since you refer to it as our country)
, let me mention that this is part of your?! own constitution that
the state and religion are seperate institutions.
 
Now whether this is a correct policy or not, I do not have any opinion
about it! and even if I had, I would not interfere in the internal affairs
of Your COUNTRY!!

Sincerely,
Vahid


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Subject: Re: International Copyright Laws
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:43:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.152350.20633@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> 
paran_p@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pirouz Parang) writes:

>I have heard that Iran has not signed International 
>copyright agreements and thus, Iranian publishers are 
>not protected or restricted by them.
>Does anyone know more about this?

This is my understanding of the situation:

Iran is not a signatory to International copyright agreements.
Thus any book published anywhere in the world can be legally
copied and distributed in Iran.  This is presently happening
with many books, especially technical ones, published for 
instance by Iran University Press (markaz-e nashr-e dAneshgAhi).

At the same time, because Euoropean countries and other states
such as Canada and the U.S. *are* signatories to International
copyright agreements, they can *not* copy and distribute books
published in Iran without prior permission from the author or
publisher. 

So Iranian publishers are protected from copying by outsiders,
without being in any way restricted in doing the same to other
publishers abroad.

-Payman
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: RE: Stop this ....
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:12:50 GMT
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway


>This statement is totally flawed.  Please see my earlier post.  I contend that
>Iran suffers a lot from current adherence to cultural baggage (note, I do not
>say "religious baggage" per se) that is Arabic in origin.   For example, there
>is no Koranic (Qur'An -ic) law determining that women must cover themselves
>head to toe, and yet what is a Chador?  Where did this idea come from?  Ask an
>Iranian woman whether this garment is relevant to her world today?  

                Az mast ke bar mast ( It is our own evil)

As I read once, Islamic clothing actually went from persia to Arabia.
The Arab conquerers saw how Sassanyd aristocracy forced their many wives
to cover themselves (They could not satisfy all of them!). They
were sceptical about the virtues of their wives. Arab aristocracy
did like the idea and adapted it. It is said that, persians learned 
this bad habit from the Greek aristocracy themselves. This habit then
went from the aristocracy to the layman. In Iran it has been more an 
urban phenomenon. In the urban areas and specially among the traditional
old Bazar and craftsman dominated cities , women didn't
and do not take part as a workforce outside the house. In agrarian areas 
were women do take part in planting fields, these clothings have not been 
practical at all. You can imagine why in the coast line areas of the
Caspean sea where women have to work in plantaations with skirts up their
knees, working beside men on the rice fields, sexual values have been 
different  (it is the reason for so many Rashti Jokes!). Now I know that 
Rashties will not give me peace, but I said that and now it is late!

                                              Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran)
Subject: my return
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:36:00 GMT
Originator: kamrani@svea.ifi.uio.no


Don't think I'm gone .It's just that

TA MARD SOKHAN NAGOFTEH BASHAD    RAZ-E HONARASH NAHOFTEH BASHED
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nisus@netcom.com (Nisus Tech. Bruce Mori)
Subject: Re: More Name Origins: Azerbaijan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:54:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug27.131258.17629@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>A few days ago someone posted something about the origin of Azerbaijan's
>name and suggested it was related to "Azar" etc.. My history books say
>that Azerbaijan got its name from the Persian satrap named AtropAt who
>was in charge of MAd during the time of Eskandar. 
>
>Brad


You are both right. Atropat is hte old form of Azar-bad
(i.e., atropat means the keeper of fire or something close to that.)
For more detail see: Azari yA zabAne bAstAne AzarbAijAn -Ahmad Kasravi
and nAme shahr-hA va Deeh-hA-ye Iran    -Ahmad Kasravi
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Comparison (Re: Stop this ....)
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:00:58 GMT
Organization: Mistake?

In article <1992Aug27.180431.18988@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
>Let me say something fair.  During Sassanid dynasty, Zorostrian
>clergymen were so powerful and so cruel that made life so misrable for 
>Persian people.  People were tired and sick of the Sassanid and when Arab
>invaded us, they first welcomed them. 

So far so good, i.e., I think along the same wave length.

>Unfortunately, again and again this is what happend 14 years ago.  I don't 
>know why we Persians do our mistakes over and over again  . . .

I have one issue with the above statement.  Are you suggesting that you
characterize the nature of the Islamic Revolution of '78 the same as that of
Islam 14 centuries ago?  That is, this revolution brought a new philosophy
or whatever one may call it the same way Islam introduced a new path of life
which eventually filled in the badly needed gap that existed among Iranians
during the rule of Sassanids?

I am asking this question to better understand you.  In other words as of
now, the set poits are as follows:

set GMA off
set INQUIRY on

>even in our regular simple life we don't learn from our past.

Life has not been simple for me at all, so I guess learning from it has
been difficult too. :-)

>Regards
>
>zamie

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055
From: billaud@alize.greco-prog.fr (Michel BILLAUD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mack--toi qui est ignorant..!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:04:12 GMT
Organization: GRECO Programmation du CNRS - Bordeaux,France

Ceci n'a rien a faire sur soc.culture.french.
Please refrain from irrelevant cross-postings.
Thanks.

M Billaud

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From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Toronto, Saturday night part at Ryerson
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:41:13 GMT
Organization: UB

Were any of you guys and gals at the Sat. night party at Ryerson
college in Toronto ? 

I was there , it was fun ... Damn buffalo never throws these kinda 
parties ...

only few hundred Iranians here in buffalo .... Humm 

Ramin 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Regime admits assassinating dissidents
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:12:38 GMT

harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen) writes:

>Yesterday I posted the following;

>>I heard this morning that Falaheyan (regime's minister of
>>SAVACK) in a TV interview has admitted that the regime has
>>been behind the assassination of the dissidents outside of
>>Iran.  

>>Asghar
> 
>This was based on the interview that Falaheyan did last
>Sunday in Tehran. He was proudly explaining how  they have
>"hit" the groups outside of Iran, particularly in Europe,
>Turkey, and the Arab world. Then Ala thinking that his "spy"
>cover was blown as always resorted to nonsense and responded
>with the following;

>In article <BtxCF4.7B7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>>I heard this morning that Rajavi (MKO's dictator at large)
>>in a TV interview has admitted that the MKO has
>>been behind the assassinations of the dissidents outside of
>>Iran.
>>

>This is a clear indication how Hezbollahes fabricate news. 


Asghar John:
How dare you question the news I posted.
My peice of news is as reliable as yours if not more reliable.
I also gave a VERY RELIABLE source for my news.
I heard this news from someone who heard it from someone who
said he knew someone who overheard the news when two people were
talking about this in one of MKO meetings. 

>Asghar

Ala
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: RE: Stop this ....
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA

Let me say something fair.  During Sassanid dynasty, Zorostrian
clergymen were so powerful
and so cruel that made life so misrable for Persian people.  People were
tired and sick of
the Sassanid and when Arab invaded us, they first welcomed them. 
Unfortunately, again and
again this is what happend 14 years ago.  I don't know why we Persians
do our mistakes over
and over again even in our regular simple life we don't learn from our past.

  "History is repeating over and over again and it is only the people
who changes on
   different time frame."

Regards

zamie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: engp2024@nusunix2.nus.sg (ALI NAJAFI)
Subject: Re: How could we help the victims of Andrew.
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:52:50 GMT


In article <babak.715553238@vlsi1>, you write:
|> In <1992Sep3.170839.12312@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) write
s:
|>
|>
|> >nakheyr ahmad AghA, bAbak is the same old bAbak. vali az hAjit kheyli
|> >hesAb meebareh. So when talking to me, havAye dahanesho dAreh.  :-)
|>
|> >    --mack
|>
|> What have you been smoking lately, that you are hallucinating again?  If you
|> need Vaseline for members of your family, just let me know! -:)
|>
|>                    With a small jar for now
|>                         Babak  Sehari.

BAbak joon damet garm. Khosham umad.

Ali.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mccd@elroy.uh.edu (Reza Golshan ACUS 743-1587)
Subject: RE: Joke (was Re: Mac--toi ...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:50:00 GMT




	This is a very interesting joke, but it does not make any sense!

Did you write it yourself, or someone did actually help you with that?

						Reza Golshan
						RGolshan@uh.edu
						Electrical Engineering Dept.
						Academic Computing
=================================================================
=================================================================
>From: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
>Subject: Joke (was Re: Mac--toi ...)
> 
>  This is just a joke:
> 
>  An Iranian with American citizenship, made up his mind to 
>  vote for President Bush. And when he was asked why? his
>  answer was:
>  
>  Because Bush is a vice(wise) president. :-)
>  
>  Anwar Saleh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: espbl@warwick.ac.uk (FLASH)
Subject: Re: Anyone studying in Essex,UK?????
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.135544.17208@sco.COM> waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:
>In article <m2wpbtkn@csv.warwick.ac.uk> espbl@warwick.ac.uk (FLASH) writes:
>>
>>Almost all the Polytechnics in UK have been upgraded to University. The 
>>Polytechnic of Central London has been renamed as University of West Mis.....
>>(can't remember the name :-)) and The Polytechnic of Conventry as The
>>University of Coventry. The University of East London suppose to be a name
>>given to the upgraded Ploytechnic of East London if I am not wrong. Hope this
>>help...
>>
>
>Oh oh! All polys can call themselves universities? My God, What is the world
>coming to? :-)
>
>waseem

Mmmm....why not??? their standard is high enough to be upgraded to university 
status. Most of the polytechnics offer PhD courses.... do you know this??


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Do not overgeneralize
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<24AUG199209492962@juliet.caltech.edu> <ges.28.0@boris.net.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:15:53 GMT

In article <ges.28.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:

   I did not mean it a negative sense so I suggest you don't take it as such. 
   Very often (in my exprience) one chinese has refered to another chinese as 
   chinaman. I can't understand what's so offensive about it. It is a common 
   term and I feel quite comfortable with it.

Perhaps it is due to the literal translation.  In Mandarin or Cantonese, there
is no difference in wording between the phrases "China Man" and "Chinese Man."

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From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:42:53 GMT
Reply-To: nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. EE, National Univ. of Singapore

In article <BtLorA.J0v@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer) writes:
|> paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> 
|> >The publication Kompas (Indonesia) reports that the Indonesian
|> >government is contemplating buying SCUD missiles. Given the relatively
|> >short range (less than 1000 miles) what forces would they be used
|> >against?
|> 
|> That's really strange. The only real target for Scud's from Indonesian
|> territory would be Singapore.  Unless, of course, they had nuclear
|> warheads.  But since Indonesia doesn't have 1) nuclear warheads or
|> 2) extremely threatning neighbors, I think we can conclude that they are
|> trying to keep up with the "Joneses."
|> 
    I would consider the SCUD as a non-defensive weapon.  The possession of
    such a weapon by one of the ASEAN nation will definitely spark off
    stronge reaction from the other nations.  The worst case would be
    to trigger an arm race in the region.  I don't think this is what
    the political leaders wanted.
    
    As a result of the amount of propaganda given to the SCUD,
    I don't think one needs a nuclear warhead and still can
    achieve the same psychological impact.  (Given the poor accuracy
    of the SCUD, I'm not sure that it will actually land in Singapore
    even though that it is aimed here. (-:)

|> What I would like to know is WHO Indonesia would buy them from.

    North Korea, Russia have it on their "selling list".

P.S. I remember that Indoneasian general said "to buy SCUD for air defence".
     Maybe SCUD is cheaper than Patriot.  The other reason maybe that
     the SCUD can draws away the enemy fighters thus serves the purpose of
     air defence.  :-)

-Won Soon
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