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From: zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Judas/PAD ?'s
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:59:37 GMT



Just a few comments of my own:

1. WHY do all the books drag all their storylines forever - by the time they  
reveal who and what the traitor was we all will be TOOOOOO old to care!  Why  
don't the X-Books follow lead of Excalibur's Alan Davis who is cleaning up the  
messes in his books at phenomenal rates!  That's the way to do it.  I  
personally don't have the nerve for 12-issue storylines, 1-line references to  
events 25 issues ago (25 issues is 2 years and 1 month - damn long time), and  
little obscure hints.  Even to let something go on in a book for 10 issues is  
too long IMHO.


Since the only writer I know, and with the potential to actually answer is PAD  
- I'd like to hear from you, why the big two are doing things this way.  I find  
it much more enjoying if I can remember the story arcs.  Therefore I would like  
to see the Traitor bit resolved and let's move on to the next *big* mistery...   
But by now, I don't care if it's bishop, gambit, or Prof X!


Maybe it's just my patience - but many people who read Excalibur, were of the  
same opinion...

Chris


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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:40:46 GMT
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In <1992Oct9.141958.16230@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu writes:

> c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee) writes:
> 
> >I remember back in X-factor when they had jamie fighting his dupe, they
> >just pounded on each other, making more and more duplicates until they
> >maxed out, and then finally duplicates started getting knocked out.  I
> >think at the end of the fight, all the bodies were counted and came out
> >to about 100.  So Jamie has a max of 50 or so.
>           ^^^
> Umm, wouldn't that imply that he has a max of about *100* or so?

Uhm, sorry to say this but: the max was defined as 40(ish) about the time that
PAD took over. there was a rather big debate on the merit(or lack of) of the
powers of two (which is what allmost everyone thought the max was based on).
Then someone with authority (probably PAD) stated that it was, indeed, 40.
If I have gotten my facts screwed up, then please somehow, try to prove it.
(I'm sick of people telling me that I'm wrong without giving any corrections)

			- Mika, not flaming, merely stating what
				as far as I know is a fact. I am
				a free citizen in a free country
				and such is my right.
> 
> 				James Willer
> {the opinions above are probably NOT those of
>  anyone at all}
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Scott Lobdell, Spelling, and You
Date: 10 Oct 1992 02:37:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Summary: Indeed.

Boy, that Apocalypse must be slipping, too.  "To think I felt I'd
past my prime several hundred years ago."

-Jon Kung, wondering if a "score of lifetimes" lets ol' Epoxy-lips be
 old enough to have been an Egyptian god
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:12:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.033116.14252@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
>
>Hold it!  Have they given any indication that Magneto is comin back at
>all?  If they have it must have been pretty stuble because I missed it
>completely.

Didn't they let slip that there was going to be a Magneto Ltd Series sometime
next year? Or did I Dream it?

Mike
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Re:Amanda Sefton
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:27:58 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <8erN4PK00YV7A38lMS@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Incidentally, where is Amanda now?

It was never explained.  I for one was kind of hoping she'd join
X-Factor or Excalibur, but NOOOOOO.  For all we know, she could have
died in the explosion.
  What ever happened to the Warpies?  Same thing.

                                            -Drizzt
 
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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable and the Technovirus
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:30:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In regards to the "Cable as Terminator" comment in a previous post...
Wouldn't Cable look like a robot if all his organic parts became Techno-organic
parts? (including his face, arms, etc.) His skin-recreating technology would
be used to hide his disfigurement, and make people think he had a cybernetic
arm, etc.  
That comment about Apocalypse draining mutants (and draining Nathan); I'm
curious...
Does this destroy the mutant's powers?  We know Nathan/Cable still has his
TK powers (from his mom, Jean, of course).  I wonder if he has a Cyclops type
power he hasn't used yet (his glowing eye)...
Just some rambling musings...

Mike
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Subject: psylocke files
From: cyborg@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:48:52 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Im kind of{new here and was wondering about this psychlock file people
are looking for.  Is this just a file of her powers and abilities.  If
it is that sounds cool and would like it if someone could E-mail me it
or any others of the type on any other characters.
                        thanx alot....
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Missing Persons (Was: Re:Amanda Sefton)
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:32:12 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Oct16.042944.15005@news.columbia.edu>, jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf) writes:
> In article <1992Oct15.162758.3220@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>>  What ever happened to the Warpies?  Same thing.
 
> Warpies? Who are they?

They were weird looking mutant children first appearing in Captain
Britain, I believe.  They were housed at Muir Island as well.  You
might remember the issue where the Reavers storm the Isle, Sunder is
playing with them in the nursery.
                                  -Drizzt
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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:53:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1atpheINNnla@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>no can do.  There's no way for Rogue to keep her flight or anything
>else from anyone if she doesn't have her absorbing power.  Think of
>it as being an absorbing power, but also as a sponge that, once it
>sucks up a power, keeps that power bottled in Rogue until it drains
>away naturally due to her time limit.  Now with her Ms. Marvel
>powers and physiology, it's been her absorbing power that's been
>keeping those around for such a long time from the prolonged
>exposure with Ms. Marvel.  You'll see that in one of the Claremont/JRjr


>Her powers never changed her physiology permanently; it never does.

Incorrect.  It has been established that the Ms. Marvel "merger" did, indeed,
change Rogue's physiology permanently.  The way Rogue's powers really work
is more like having something make an "impression" on her body/mind.  If the 
contact is limited, the change is temporary.  But the contact with Ms. Marvel,
I am given to understand, was long enough to permanently "impress" Ms. Marvel's
personality and powers on Rogue's mind and body.  In any case, it's irrelevant
now.  When Rogue's bio-matrix was re-integrated by Magneto in the Savage Land
arc, she basically obtained the powers of Ms. Marvel forever.

I just thought of something!  Under your theory, Rogue would have lost her 
absorbed powers when her powers were temporarily nullified after her re-
integration!  _Or_ in Genosha, under Wipeout's influence.  So you see, Rogue
_can_ permanently absorb someone else's powers, and it doesn't depend on her
absorbing ability to keep them.

Which, of course, means that Forge can build a gadget to let Rogue "reach out
and touch someone."  _If_ he were here.  Which he's not.

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"Why are you mumbling?"
"Because I've grown fangs, and if I open my mouth too wide, you'll see them."
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Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 10:47:20 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: X-Men 2099
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.xbooks.

>Now, I like the X-men and have colleted them for about ten years, but
>does the thought of this X-title occuring make you want to scream. I
>know I did.

I totally agree -- the writers are messed up enough as it is without
constantly having to check that everything complies with the future!
Mike 
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: SEX SEX SEX
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:58:37 GMT

Toby Vaughn Padfield (tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: 	Now that i have your attention. I recently bought a lithograph
: of the deluxe cover of X-Men 1. It is signed by Chris Clarmont, Jim Lee
: and Scott Williams. Its numbered 1152out of 2500. I was wondering how much
: it is valued at. Dont post to the net, please e-mail me. All responses
: will be greatly appreciated.

How much did you *pay* for it? It's worth whatever you're willing
to pay someone! :^)

Scott
From: aj005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dark Ghost)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: mutant???=mutate
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:31:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1bk1h4INNi2m@uwm.edu> pjconley@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pat J Conley) writes:

																			whoever posted that you have to be born with an
>	X-factor chromosome is a mutant
>	BlackBolt of the Inhumans is *not* because he was
>	exposed to the Terrigen Mists in utero
>	therefore, he and Miguel are mutates
>	a mutate is a normal person that has his genetic
>	matrix re-written, whether he gets powers or not

	Actually, a mutant isn't someone with the X-factor chromosome.  In
fact, the X-factor of Marvel mutants isn't a chromosome, it's just a gene on
a chromosone.  In Marvel mutants that just equates to superhuman powers. 
Anyone who is born with a random genetic difference is a mutant.  Evolution
(if you believe it) is the process of random mutations (like a change in
color or an extra horn).  Whether or not these random mutations are helpful
is up to the discretion of nature.  The technical definition of a mutant is
someone who is born with a different gentic structure than their parents is
a mutant.  Thus Pietro's daughter, Luna, is technically a mutant as her
genes are like those of "normal" humans while her fathers are not.
	I hope that explains everything.  Oh, and I would like to see Marvel
explore mutant creation.  As some mutants are born to average folk, others
are the offspring of mutates (such as the Franklin Richards or Nuklo).  Just
something you could write in to an X-comic if you wanted a letter published.

				The Dark Ghost has spoken.
From: c60b-3fe@e260-4d.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Shatterstar's "parents"?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:17:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Oct6.104821.5641@gw.wmich.edu> 885celio@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>I'm kind of reluctant to believe that Shatterstar is in fact the son of
>Longshot and Dazzler.  I know, I know, the very end of the latest Mojoverse
>escapade with the X-men implies that ([paraphrasing] Dazzler to Longshot: "You
>want to name him Shaterstar?").  But Shatterstar left the Mojoverse 100 yrs.
>after Longshot did, and Shatterstar was looking for heroes to help overthrow
>Mojo V (Mojo the Fifth).  Does anyone know if time passes differently in the
>Mojoverse, or the estimated life-span of Longshot's created kind (which might
>not count as much anyways, since if Shatterstar really is their son, he's a
>sort of hybrid.  Maybe the Shatterstar we know is a grandson or something...

  Yes, time does pass differently in the Mojoverse.  If you look in the
Shattershot series, it was 100 years in the Mojverse, though only about
20-30 years (IMHO, opinions vary based on when they think Cable dies) in
the marvel universe.  Also, I do think the humanoids from Mojoworld do live
longer than humans.  I seem to remember (may be hallucinating though, I'm
REALLY tired) reading about how old the creator of the humanoids was.
Maybe if I have time between magnetic fields and differential equations, I'll
post back with better info.  The first part is correct though.

Coffee
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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: NCCS & RS
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <81627@ut-emx.uucp> nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
writes:
>Hang on a minute here!!!  As _I_ recall, Rachel was Jean and Scott's daughter,
>all right, but she was born in a timeline in which Jean _never_ died, the 
>Phoenix Force _never_ showed up, and Scott _never_ married Madelyne Pryor.  
>Which makes these arguments moot, because, even if Jean _does_ get pregnant
>with Scott's child, the child cannot be Rachel.  Noway, nohow.  There are 
>fundamental differences in the circumstances surrounding Rachel's birth and 
>the current (canon) Marvel timeline which cannot be resolved in order to have
>Jean give birth to Rachel.

  Not necessarily.  At least under Claremont's conception of time, the
future is "resilient."  Remember that even after the Days of Future
Past changed the future, we still saw futures in the X-books which
were similar (though not identical) to that future.  I believe
Claremont commented on this on Compu$erve about the time of the Days
of Future Present--the metaphor he used was that the Mississippi River
may change its course periodically, but it always ends up at the Gulf
of Mexico.

  So a Rachel could still be born to Scott and Jean--it may not
necessarily be exactly the same Rachel, but it would be a similar one.

  Of course, who knows how closely the new teams will follow
Claremont's ideas...

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cry for the Warpies (Was: Re: Missing Persons (Was: Re:Amanda Sefton)
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw8GKu.JB1
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct16.103212.3234@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.042944.15005@news.columbia.edu>, jmw20@cunixa.cc.
columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf) writes:
>> Warpies? Who are they?
>
>They were weird looking mutant children first appearing in Captain
>Britain, I believe.  They were housed at Muir Island as well.  You
>might remember the issue where the Reavers storm the Isle, Sunder is
>playing with them in the nursery.

Considering the job the Reavers did on Muir Isle (and then the fun'n'games
that the Shadow King brought with him), I'd be surprised if any of the
Warpies survived the experience. Remember, it's only BEING on an X-team that
makes you immortal... assorted flavors of bystanders don't count.
-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun)
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:03:23 GMT

jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee) writes:

>>to about 100.  So Jamie has a max of 50 or so.
>          ^^^
>Umm, wouldn't that imply that he has a max of about *100* or so?

No, I think he's saying that the dupe was like another Jamie..so that
Jamie would have a max of 50 and so would the dupe..personally, I
think Jamie has a max of "as many as the writers need him to have"

Axly

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: X-Men 2099
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:40:06 GMT

In article <67355@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I think you can safely assume that if X-MEN 2099 is published, it will have
>absolutely nothing to do with the current X-Men beyond the title.  No
>more than SPIDER-MAN 2099 relates to Peter Parker, in tone, style, powers
>or cast, beyond the name of the costumed identity.
>
>PAD

Say, does this mean that there will be a X-Men 2099? I had placed it
under rumor, but this almost (almost) makes it sound like it is a go. 

While you have a valid point PAD, simply put I do not know how
successful Marvel would be trying to seperate this new X-title from the
others. X-Men fans tend to be contunity freaks as well. Trying to
establish a new X-Title outside of standard mutant contunity would not
be an easy job. Far more difficult than it is with the present line up
of 2099 titles.

For example, look at the mess the X-Men future is right now. There are
so many alternate futures that I think most people have lost track. I
think that even if the X-Men 2099 starts off different from the X-men in
every way, eventually it will be messed around with and that is when the
problems will occur.

Just my 0.02 worth...

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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable-Stryfe-Nathan/techno fits
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:33:07 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Oct11.054853.9015@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>In article <cepBCZS00Uh7E79dwC@andrew.cmu.edu> sw3r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Kelly Woyicki) writes:
>>Ok, here are my theories on the subject:
>
>>Claremont still.  I don't think Chris was plotting this.  He was getting
>>ready to begin the Scott-Maddie-Jean/ Marauders/ Sinister/ clone thing.)
>>    Back to Ahab:  I think it might be possible that he is Cable/Stryfe
>>after Stryfe is ultimately beaten or something and gets turned into Ahab.
>>
>actually Chris was getting ready to Write Scott out of the series.  He was
>married and babied off.  Then came X-Factor and Jean and .....
>
>
>off the point, if someone could get close enough to shoot xavier,  why not
>use a real gun (laser,projectile)?  Why use a tecno-virus shooter?  Pretty
>dumb assassin (or editor).

To paraphrase something from _Robin Hood._
"But why a spoon, brother?  Why not a knife, or a sword, or an axe...?"
"BECAUSE IT'S _BLUNT,_ you IDIOT!  It would HURT more!"  
Nuff said.

-- 
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man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / "No, I don't know how much unknown is... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	...THAT'S THE POINT!"
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:11:51 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <uplink.718505299@cwis>, uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler) writes:
> 	I'd actually like to see the angst level go down for once and
> let Rogue do the wild thing with Gambit.  With all that girl has been
> through, I think it's time she had a little pleasure in her life.
No, No, No!
	I don't want this to happen at all!  I think Rogue is simply too 
incredibly interesting to make them say, OK you can touch people now.
I don't think they have even made her use her powers in the right way anyhow
and I think she should either have the choice to give up her powers and 
touch or to keep her powers and save the world. (Ok its sortof a cliche but
its not too overused, is it?)  Anyhow, I think that Rogue symbolizes more than
a big broad with butt-kicking powers.  To compromise her powers would be to 
wreck what makes her so darn irresistable.

					wReam...
			Ultimate Ninja of the Legion of Net.Heroes!

P.S.  I do wish they would let gambit try to take advantage of her and he gets
his brains sucked in, and rogue finds out his deep dark secrets and then she
says "You JERK!" and warn the X-men that HE is the Traitor!!  >:)  But I dont
think that will happen, looking now at the popularity of Gambit.  On the other
side of the coin she could suck in his brain and then she would like learn how
much he really cared for her and that it wasn't just animal lust...  But C'mon
this is Gambit we're talking about...