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From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:05:39 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris


You say your born-again?  Well that' alright.  I got it right the first
time!

 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+Joel Carlson				|  History, read it and weep!
carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu            	| 
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: M.J.Jennings@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Michael Jennings)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of Cambridge, DAMTP

In article <17879@autodesk.COM>, dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith) writes:
|> 
|> There was a character named "Audrey" in some film that came out about
|> a year ago.  She moves to NYC and becomes a model.  She falls in love with
|> a guy that just got out of prison (he gets a job at her father's Auto
|> Repair Garage).  The guy who'd gotten out of prison had supposedly
|> killed the father of Audrey's friend.  There's also a running gag in that
|> movie about a guy who gets insanely jealous anytime someone looks at
|> Audrey.  Gawd, I wish I could remember the name of the movie or the actress!
|> Anyways, from what I remember of her, she'd be a good Molly (beautiful,
|> feisty).
|> 
	The Film you are thinking of is 'The Unbelievable Truth', directed
by Hal Hartley and starring Adrienne (sp?) Shelley. If you enjoyed it, you 
might also want to try looking at 'Trust', which has the same director, star
and quirkiness, although I don't think it's as good.
	She is certainly an interesting choice for Molly, although I'm not
sure if she could portray the toughness and cynicism that is a fundamental
part of Molly's character. I think that Molly is the most difficult role in
the book to cast: she has to be beautiful, tough, cynical and a tiny bit
vulnerable all at once, and, like Case, has to be young. 
	To be honest, I can't see Neuromancer being succesfully filmed. There is
simply too much in the book to be filmed in anything like as little as two
hours. What you would end up with is a fragment of the story. You would need
a big budget, but I think Hollywood would want to cast actors who are too
old for the parts if the film was to have this big a budget. The book doesn't
at all correspond to any Hollywood formula and I feel there is an enormous 
likelihood that it would be very badly botched in a futile attempt to make
it correspond to one. Neuromancer is too good a book to be spoiled by a bad
film. I would rather see something less ambitious of Gibson's on
the screen ('Burning Chrome' perhaps).

	Michael.
-- 
Michael Jennings
Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
The University of Cambridge. 		mjj12@damtp.cambridge.ac.uk

A girl and a boy bump into each other -- surely an accident.
A girl and a boy bump and her handkerchief drops -- surely 
another accident.  But when a girl gives a boy a dead 
squid -- *that had to mean something*.
        -- William Goldman. "The Silent Gondoliers"
From: rclarke@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Wanted: Essays/etc. on sexism in Cyberpunk
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:33:13 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get essays/articles/pappers
on saxism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist friend who always calls me a sexist
pig because I happened to have read a few cyberpunk books.  I have only read
Gibson's works so I don't have enough expirence to dis/agre with my friend. So
if any one has a file to email/ a ftp site name / or just wants to do a quikie
up, I'd really apreciate it!
--
Ethan Clarke
---
RClarke@AC.DAL.CA

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial,alt.industrial
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:42:11 GMT

ivang@cup.portal.com (Ivan - Godard) writes:

>I've always respected Jesus. He was one heavy bottom.

>Ivan

It was pretty wierd. He would call His Own Name in agony! :)

	-Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: (Feminist) cyberpunk
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:09:50 GMT


Think nice thoughts in Nicola Nixon's direction on Nov. 23rd -- that's
when she's defending her PhD thesis!

Stephanie Moskal Fysh
also in the Dept of English,
Univ. of Toronto
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato)
Subject: William Gibson
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 03:39:58 GMT





Does anyone know if the eteeemed William Gibson is on the net?  (I'm
sure he is, but it remains to be seen WHERE.)  I have a question
or two to ask him.



thanks....


john

-- 
John P Onorato             |   "Softness without strength is weakness.
wizard@wixer.cactus.org    |    Strength without softness is meanness."
cactus.org!wixer!wizard    |             -- Mahatma Gandhi
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
From: gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:37:07 GMT

In article <604.2AFA9307@mechanic.Fidonet.org> Denise.Turner@f160.n3603.
z1.FIDONET.ORG (Denise Turner) writes:

>>>      illuminated spot on the ground.
>>>
>>>Woman (whimpers): No, NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>>
>>>F-34(engages cannons): You are powerless, so powerless......
>>>
>>>Woman, crying, rushes to the specified spot.
>>>
>>>F-34: Now lie down, bitch.
>>>
>>>Woman lies down.  A huge cylindrical metal hoist 
>>>springs up out of nowhere
>>>      and carries the woman to the appropriate place onthe F's
>>>      underside, where the collection of 10" missles resides throbbing
>>>      for action... Straps and chains engage, and the rest is left to
>>>      the reader's imagination...
>
>Ugh!!!!! Not to imping on anybody's artor anything, but aren't women 
>exploited, raped, tortured, opressed, etc. enough already?  I mean rape
>by a goddam airplane?!! that's ...well I dunno what it is but it's definitely
>not a good for women kinda thing. 
>Why do people think up/write this kinda thing? Somebody please tell me cos
>I am lost. As if we didn't have enough to worry about being raped by
>obnoxious humans, now I can have nightmares about airplanes too, oh joy! >
>

Now wait a minute... I was the one who wrote that story, and I did it for
a reason, basically because I agree with you. I simply chose to attack
the problem by writing a "relevant" parody of an alt.sex.story.  But do you
read alt.sex or alt.sex.stories?  These people are seriously trying to be
arousing and all they can think up 96% of the time is rape, torture,
domination of women, etc.  I just thought it would be funny and expository
to juxtapose this parody with our fetishization of machinery.

I agree with you that any non-consensual sex is amoral, and I will stand
against any "there are no morals" sympathizers to support this statement. 
But is mechanistic sex, sex with an airplane, sex with anything
necessarily "amoral" or "bad"?????? Well only if it is non-consensual....

I hold that we don't know enough about sexuality to even consider value
judgments....

Phooey - I'm going back to sleep.

>--   >Internet: Denise.Turner@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG
>UUCP:     ...!myrddin!tct!mechanic!160!Denise.Turner
>Note: Mechanic is a free gateway between USENET & FIdonet.
>      For information write to chief@mechanic.fidonet.org
>


Peace,
Geoff Allen

Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5791 alt.industrial:755 alt.sex:36264 alt.sex.bondage:22001
From: david@shakala.com (David Pratt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 22:54:40 PST
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

> ----------------
> I really think that people who say stuff like "I think we have
> forgotten the teachings of Jesus" have actually only forgotten to take
> their lithium carbonate and other meds. If this isn't true, then I
> guess we'll have to shoot 'em.
> - Steve
> 
Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition!

------------------------------------------------------------------
David Pratt  - david@shakala.com 
Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial
From: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:40:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.030122.22029@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ge
off Allen) writes:
>
>Just dawned on me - you people are some of the most open-minded I know
>when it comes to technological issues/ implications on society, but how
>come there are so few women participating in the Industrial and/or
>Cyberpunk movements? Is there something inherently sexist about Cp that
>I'm just missing? Same thing with industrial music; why do these genres
>have so few women participating in them???
>
>
>Just wondering...
>
>Geoff Allen


I don't know if there is one primary factor, but I can sure think of a dozen
or so contributors!

It is somewhat of a never-ending cycle.  Men create technology according to
their mode of thinking, communication, and expression, which is markedly
different from the discourse of women.  Trust me, women did not make up the
unwritten social mores, rules, and guidelines of ABUSENET.  This is entirely
a "male thang".

When women do attempt to initiate conversation in a male-dominated domain (cp,
 industrial, this newsgroup) they are most often ignored, taken for granted,
or just plain not taken seriously.  Not out of intentional spite, but
institutional blindness, imho.  So if you want more women to contribute, shut
up and listen to those who are already present, is my advice.

Another factor that is really more prevalent in private BBS's than USENET, is
that a lot of men consider women-in-cyberspace as nothing more than potential
chewtoys.

When you mix all these elements together, toss in cultural conditioning over
appropriate gender behaviour (good girls don't speak out) and views towards
technology, then you should be able to see, at least, that the environment is
not nearly as conducive for women as it is for men.


Just my stab at it.

-- 
  bladex@wixer.cactus.org           |              Cyberlicious Software
 "I think cyberpunk is the latest attempt by American hipsters to escape
the squalid intellectual environment that surrounds them.  This is not a
bad goal."  Karl Myers, Talking Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: INFO ON CYBERPUNK!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:33:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.133334.1271@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jy@dct.ac.uk writes:
>I am most interested in any one who has some information on cyberpunk role play
>games (or any which are future based).
>
>           If any one can help please get in touch with me.
>
>                      /__/\/\__\ORTIS.......!
They have there own group: rec.games.cyber or something like that..ask there.


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: vender@plains.NoDak.edu (Does it matter?)
Subject: Re: New Luddites
Summary: Not a conspiracy as such
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:52:49 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: Bureaucracy Conspiracy

Although people seem to love conspiracy theories, there is not one as such
  operating in the United States.  A conspiracy tends to suggest a small
  group of individuals operating for a single purpose.  This is not present
  in this case.  Rather, I perceive the situation to be a self-perpetuating
  bureaucracy (which coincidentally and unfortunately is how some people
  model the cyberpunk future).

In order to change the way things are being done, it would be better for
  the entire structure to be removed and replaced, than to remove certain
  key individuals (assuming the key individuals exist).

(Please excuse my spelling, I haven't been to sleep yet ;(
--Brad
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: New Luddites
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 01:40:53 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki) writes:

>    I'd say, considering that there are a Very Large number of people
> connected to power in this continent, the idea that there's only one
> conspiracy is unlikely...

Or the idea that there are only 5, or only 23, or only however many
conspiracies... there's always that one conspiracy you can't see... (in
addition to all the other conspiracies you can't see..)

>    "Elvis is Everywhere" - Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper

And he needs boats!

>    Sorry if you got the impression I'm a tabloid fan... very few things
> could be further from the truth. ;) (Altho I think Mojo Nixon is
> hilarious...)

Tabloids are hilarious too...

> >It will also get you kidnapped (er, I mean arrested) if you're not careful.
> 
>    See above.

Dirty ceiling.

> >>This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.
> >>Whenever they shall grow wearing of the existing Government, they can exerc
> >>their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to
> >>dismember or overthrow it.
> >>
> >>        --- Abraham Lincoln
> >
> >Should be rewritten in past tense.
> 
>    Really? Why?

The people who inhabit the US of A (for the most part) are too apathetic today
to do anything besides bitch about problems.  Perhaps the only way to force
them into revolting would be to take away their right to bitch.

Not to mention, all our constitutional rights have been repossessed due to lack
of use and will be stored indefinatly in an "abandoned" missile silo somewhere
in Colorado..


                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
                   Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
                                      -qr
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:53:09 GMT

cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard) writes:
>I am not going to force my beliefs on you it isn't fair to you as humans.  

	Big of you!! Thanks, we appreciate not being forced.

>									BUT
>I do want yo to informed and intellectually honest with youselves.  If you 
>spout off half truths of the Bible as percieved through your own rosey glasses
>then you are and idiot <of course the great thing about america is that even
>idiots can speak),  I am not calling you an idiot, I don't know you, and you
>can be a good judge of that.  So don't try to argue with half a weapon that
>you don't understand.

	Look, it is not a question of a misconception about what The
Bible says. (Although I'm sure you have a perfect understanding and
that your interpretation has just got to be right!) It is a question
about the document itself. Some very interesting Christian literature
was written in the first three centuries after Jesus' death. There
were quite a few more gospels than the four finally accepted by the
church. The ones rejected depicted a radically different Jesus than
the ones we have today. Unfortunately, there is little or no rational
basis for choosing one over another except to serve the needs of the
selectors. One can assume that the Roman Catholic Church chose well
for its needs. This leaves us located as we are here a fair piece away
in time at a severe disadvantage. Of course, we could take the easy
way out and just let you and Pat Robertson tell us the way the
universe is organized. But we're a little perverse in not following
along. So sorry. Nostra culpa, nostra maxima culpa!!!
							--Sid

--
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Data Parallel Systems, Inc.  ============||  DPSI  ||===============
4617 E. Morningside Drive	                      (812) 334-8100
Bloomington, Indiana,  47408  USA		FAX:  (812) 334-8121
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5664 alt.sex:35723 rec.music.industrial:13228 alt.industrial:686
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Casting for Neuromanc
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

.> i would love to see a non-hollow-wood ized version of Neuromancer....
 > preferably get ridley scott to do it....then it would probably have
 > the look and feel (like Bladerunner) the graphic novel....which IMHO

.> did the novel justice...

.> BTW..slightly out of this newsgroup but does anyone remember if there
 > was ever a Volume 2 or 3 to the graphic novel ?

Agreed about non-H version.  There was nothing after Vol 1 of the N Graphic
Novel.  Funding/interest lack, or something like that.

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: I still miss my ex-wife, but my aim is getting better!
                                                     
Newsgroups: alt.graphics,comp.graphics,comp.os.linux,misc.books.technical,alt.books.technical,misc.forsale.wanted,misc.wanted,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other
From: userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell)
Subject: Re: BOOK WANTED: Graphics Programming for the 8514/A
Keywords: wanted, 8514/A, book
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:30:41 GMT

hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com () writes:
>I'm looking for the following book:

>Graphics Programming for the 8514/A
>by Jake Richter and Bud Smith
>published by M&T Books.

>The book has been out of print for about 6 months.  If you have a copy and
>are willing to sell it, OR if you know of a bookstore that still has
>it in stock, please e-mail me at 'hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com'

    With it being out of print for six months, that would explain why it 
took from June to October for my local bookstore to get it for me. As a
result, I am unlikely to want to sell it to you, but I have the good news
that Richter has written a new book about the XGA adapter that is supposed
to also cover the 8514/A. I just got my hands on that book a week or two
ago, and haven't read through it yet. If you want, I can get the exact
title, ISBN, etc, for you. (It is at home, and I'm not.)

Dave Halliwell
Department of Geography
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: dtailor@crc.ac.uk (Dilip Tailor x3296)
Subject: Postscript to ASCII converters
Reply-To: dtailor@crc.ac.uk (Dilip Tailor x3296)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:31:06 GMT

Hello World,

Does anyone know of a postscript to ascii or a tiff to ascii
file converter?

Any help much appreciated.

Regards,
Dilip Tailor,
MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, 
Harrow, UK


Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: death@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de ()
Subject: MS-DOS view utility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:05:55 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Keywords: MS-DOS .gif viewer






	Sorry my editor eat the mail before. Hope he didn't do it again
	this time.
	I am looking for a MS-DOS porgram to view .gif files.
		please re. to [death@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de]

		Bye Markus (death/NHawk)
From: tm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Theoharis Mihailidis)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Conversion from .imc format
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:05:19 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak21.doc.ic.ac.uk

Hello netters,
does anyone know how I can convert .imc files to another more common format? 
like jpeg/gif/tiff/bmp/targa ? 
                Any help welcome 
                        Thanx alot,
                        Theoharis, Imperial College



Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy)
Subject: Mac RTF to Anything(almost) Converter Needed
Followup-To: alt.graphics.pixutils
Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:29:44 GMT

I have Microsoft Word files from the Macintosh saved in RTF. The 
rtf stands for Rich Text Format.  This is an ascii exchange format
for Microsoft Word Files.  

I would like to be able to convert this "macpict" format on the Sun
directly to a format which the Sun can display rapidly.

I can read many formats with the pbmplus utilities and others.

Thanks for any help or suggestions

---
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Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: 9104992@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Dirk)
Subject: Printer?
Organization: Disorganized...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:24:14 GMT

Is there some pd or shareware util out there that can view/print gifs?
It must have a option to select printers though.... any ideas?
I'm new on the PC scene.... working mostly on AMIGAs 
Thanx
Dirk
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Simple Greyscaling revisited ;>
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:45:12 GMT

Lance R. Marrou writes
> Hi,
> Someone posted before what the "correct" or "better" coefficients
> were for greyscaling images (24-bit RGB).  I have the following:
> 
> #define RED_COEFFICIENT    0.299
> #define GREEN_COEFFICIENT  0.587
> #define BLUE_COEFFICIENT   0.114
> 

A lot depends on the image.  Colour images are often low contrast.   
(2-4 stops) while black and white images can be as much as 7 stops.   
The process of halftoning drops the constrast substantially.  So your  
colour image gets even greyer.

I find that often the best image is obtained by chucking the blue image  
(Effect of a yellow filter) or by just using the red image.  The latter  
makes sky's dramatically dark, makes skin tones quite pale, and reduces  
the appearence of skin blemishes.  Folliage gets quite dark however.

One thing I've also found is that my printer has a bad 'dot gain'  
problem.  The printer resolves at 400 dpi, but the individual dots are  
substantially bigger than this.  This makes all the greys darker in  
print than they should be.  (E.g. through trial and error I found that  
a grey block of 234 appears to be a match for an 18% grey card)  

I'm still tinkering with this one, and don't have a consistent means of  
making clear greyscale prints from rgb sources.