From: nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH)
Subject: Re: Republic of ROME question, HELP
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:47:27 GMT

peters@physics.ubc.ca (Dan Peters) writes:
>Melvin H. Nicholson writes:
>>We always count the rebel as a war for the purpose of Rome falling until
>>such time as Rome defeats it or it defeats Rome (so if there is a
>>stalemate in a rebellion when three other wars are active, rome falls
>>(unless the senate actually sent some other force out as well as the
>>crush-the-rebel force, which seems unlikely))
>
>Ok... but my point was that the line "including the civil war if still ongoing"
>was in the context of the rebel player having fulfilled one of the conditions
>for winning. Do you mean that in the case where the rebel "wins" because of
>bankruptcy or popular revolt, the civil war is still ongoing (for purposes of
>counting the number of wars) because the rebel never won _militarily_?

Exactly.  If the state goes bankrupt, the Rebel must count himself as a
war in his attempt to keep Rome standing.
>
>1. In the rare case that a faction is eliminated, what happens to the cards?
>(You should be familiar with this one, Claudius the insane! :-> )
>The rules say nothing at all on this point. I think the best decision would
>be concessions to the forum, and all others to the discard pile. ('Though
>one could argue that statesmen should go to the forum in this case.)
>
Actually this has never come up in one of my face-to-face games.  I took
some uncharacteristic chances in that pbem game just to see how it would
affect things and whether it would REALLY come back to haunt me (it did)

The concessions should definately stay in the game, though I can see the
arguments for several ways to do this.  You could shuffle the cards all
back into the draw pile.  If not, everything but statesman and
concessions should be discarded.  Concessions should probably go to the
forum, though I can see the argument that curia is more appropriate
since the concessions were not in a functional state at the time (I
assume we are just talking about cards in hand, since the rules *do*
cover cards on the dying senators).  For statesman I see two viable
options: first is to discard them, the second is to move them to their
family card as if played, or to the forum if not.

All those options make sence individually, but put together, the only
two combinations I like are:1) shuffle them all back into the deck or
2) discard everything but the concessions, which go to either the forum
or curia (doesn't matter which, as long as it's agreed on in advance)

I wish I had the rulebook handy to confirm that this really isn't buried
in their somewhere (it would not be the first time I've looked for something
I thought was not there and found it)

>2. At what point in the sequence of play do you make Tax Farmer destruction
>rolls (for the 2nd Punic War and the Gladiator Slave Revolt)? Again, the rules
>give no clue!

I think this one is covered.  It happens during the forum phase.  I
don't remember whether it is specifically specified whether this
preceeds or follows curia revival (which is important --- we always
played that it follows), but I'm pretty sure there was something to
cover this (thought it probably was brief and poorly located)

>There are lots more, but we could probably deal with these first....
>
Rather than leave this all up to you, I'll throw some of my own back:

1) How should a faction who loses it's leader to an assination be
treated.  When should that faction be allowed to appoint a new leader
assuming it was not eliminated?

2) If the faction leader is a caught assassin, does the prosecution
end with his death?

3) if the censor is either the victim of a successful assination where
the assassin is caught, or is a caught assassin, who conduct the
prosecution?

Mel