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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:27:36 GMT

In article <1jmi26INNt1a@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>I have to ask whether it really makes sense for us to mix on one roadway
>vehicles that average 50 mph with vehicles that average 20, or vehicles with
>the acceleration power of cars with vehicles with the lower acceleration power
>of bikes.  We're *creating* a situation that cannot fail to become nasty, and
>we bikers are on the losing end by about 3000 pounds.

Kip, in the first place, that section of road has a speed limit considerably
less than 50 mph. The bikes were in a paceline and commonly do 22-25 mph
at that point. And from a dead stop to 15 mph, a bicyclist can generally out-
accelerate the average car.

If you think that it's dangerous to ride bikes on the street what then do
you do about slower drivers? What about trucks? It's OK for them because
you perceive them to be bigger and therefore safer? I suggest you look at
the accident figures if that is what you think.

As Forester and others can tell you (and no doubt will) bike paths DO NOT
prevent, but rather increase the risk of accidents.
From: v008pcqu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: cycling gifs
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     There are a few cycling gifs on the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mike@drseus.uucp (Mike Ross)
Subject: Recumbent Question on Drive Design
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:42:00 GMT

I have been interested in recumbents, being tender of rear and all, 
and it occurred to me that a better method of leg power would be
a reciprocating, rather than cranking mechanism.  Is having
to turn a crank round any sort of problem on a recumbent?

I can think of several mechanisms where power could be put
in on both a push-forward and a pull-back stroke, but the
weight would be more than a simple crank, so perhaps the weight
hit is worse than any power advantage.

-mike
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From: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: A Quick Survey
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:51:17 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: dmarsh@simpson-07.cs.strath.ac.uk

I'd been thinking about this over the holidays, and was going to ask anyway,
bit with the unfortunate "accident" in the USA, I thought it was quite 
appropriate. 

A quick survey about all things cyclewise.

(Could everybody please post answers to the net, so that we can get a 
conversation going: also, I don't have time to compile answers! :-)

Do you cycle on roads at all?

Do you cycle on major roads at all?

Do you cycle on major roads (especially dual carriageways) outwith towns?

What do you think of the attitude of car (bus etc) drivers?

Do you think cyclists get enough respect?

Do you feel safe cycling on roads? 

Do you think enough is done to improve conditions for cyclists?

...and how do you think this should be done (cycleways, cycle lanes, or what)?

What is your normal mode of transport?

How do you transport your bike (when not actually cycling!)?

Are you a member of a cycle club or campaign group?

What do you think of current transport policy?

Do you think that bike carriage on trains is important?

What are the main uses of your bike?

What sort of bike(s) do you have (mountain bike, recumbent, racer etc)?

What do you think of law-breaking cyclists?

(And I suppose I have to ask) do you wear a helmet?

I hope this hasn't bored anybody, and look forward to seeing some interesting
answers.

Thanks for your time,


David.-dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk  or  cad129@ccsun.strath.ac.uk {or sthg similar!}-

If you did something which carried a high risk of your own death, a high risk 
of killing other people, which adversely affected the environment, which cost
you a lot of money, and was highly taxed, you'd stop wouldn't you?

Driving: it's time to kick the habit.    "Training beats coaching" (C) ScotRail
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rob@bnr.ca (Robert Perkins)
Subject:  Drivers and Bikers
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:54:22 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

This is along the lines of the "hit and run" thread.  Just wanted
to add that in my three years of cycling in Germany, France, and
Portugal I noted that Europeans regard bikes as vehicles, not
toys.  They look for bikes like they look for street signs.  I lived
and bike commuted in Berlin, and NEVER had any problem, even downtown,
with motorists.  As for the claims that bicyclists are too slow
for roads because of the speed differential, what about the 100
kilometer-per-hour speed differential between vehicles on the
Autobahns?  Face it, U.S. citizens are lazy-ass drivers who confuse
their cars with their penises.

Rob

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robishaw@asteroid.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: Stopping Thieves Re: Bike-only Households
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:49:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.224534.15023@netcom.com> timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>
>Also, it is quite easy to steal parts off of bicycles (quick release
>wheels, panniers, pump, headlight, etc.).  Any ideas on keeping thieves
>away?
>
Keep a Doberman in the trailer.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,ba.transporation
Subject: Info for bike permits on BART and CALTRANS
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:52:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA


Hi,

The following describes how to apply for a
bicycle pass on BART and on CALTRANS for
the SF Bay Area region of California.

---------------------------------------------
BART PERMIT

You can apply for a bike permit on BART in person
on Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 8:30am to
4:45 pm and Tuesdays and Thursdays from 8:30am
to 5:45 pm, excluding holidays at any station
for a three week pass. However, you are then
expected to apply for the standard pass.

Cost: $3.00

You can also call the Pass Office 1-510-464-7133
and ask for an application.

Or you can write for an application at:

Bay Area Rapid Transit District
Pass Office, LMA-C
800 Madison Street
Oakland, CA 94607
(takes two weeks thru the mail for the entire
processing if you do everything through the mail)

---------------------------------------

CALTRAN BIKE PERMIT

You can apply for a bike permit on CALTRAIN by
calling 1-800-660-4287 and asking them to
send you an application.

Cost:free

(Do NOT apply in person)
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viviana@tamri.com	       	      _.>/ _  Commuter   \/
Toshiba America MRI      	     (_) \(_) SF (Haight St)
From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:23:07 GMT
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.misc, les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>
!I still salute motorists when appropriate and have been known to do it
!to whole string of irate, overtaking vehicles when necessary.  It
!takes some practice, but you too can learn to steer a straight course
!while maintaining a finger pointing backward!
!Les Earnest           Phone:  415 941-3984    Fax: 415 941-3934

I think this has probably happened to others: Some one bothering you
from behind ( name your distraction [honking, reving etc.]) you go to
finger to the rear without looking, but taking a quick look back, notice
the red & blue light set on top...just in time to think better.
Bill O
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Subject: ATTN Commuter's - do you feel like a piece of fiction ?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Just enough to get by...
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:51:10 GMT

Did you know all of us bicycle commuters in the U.S. don't exist,
at least according to one executive of a major bicycle manufacturer?

In an article in the Wall Street Journal today (1/25), the US marketing
director of Bridgestone Bicycle, Grant Peterson, is quoted as
calling the US bicycle commuter "fictional". According the WSJ, Mr
Peterson attributes this to "long distances, cheap gasoline, few bike
lanes, and fewer bike lockers or showers at work discouraging bicycle
commuting."

Discouraging it, yes, but eradicating it altogther ? Judging from 
some of the posts around here, I'd hardly think so. I know I don't
feel quite non-existant, yet :) Maybe a few of us should write to
Mr Peterson, to let him know we exist ?

The article was originally about how many bike manufacturers are
bringing out specialized "commuter models" hoping to lure the
urban commuter crowd onto two wheels. Of the manufacturers mentioned
were:

Specialized - bringing out a "Milano" model, which features 7 speeds, 
a "sloping top tube to provide increased clearance for skirts
and baggy trousers" (now, how many of you ladies cycle to work
in a skirt ?)

Trek - the MetroTrack features "21 gears and a kickstand"

Bridgestone - bringing out the  "Bridgestone Utility Bicycle" (BUB for
short) with "6 gears and a kickstand on its rear axle".


-Nick

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From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Stepping on board a train with a bike
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:54:07 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Hi,
Has anyone actually taken their bike on
CALTRANS? Do you find it difficult to
lift your bike onto the train? When I
used to ride the train as a regular passenger,
I remember really having to step UP high
to board the train.  While I can carry my bike
upstairs on my shoulder,
I worry if I can do the same while stepping up 
into the train.

By the way, I have read a number of discussions
about chaperones on the train. What are they?
When I applied for my train permit 4 months
ago there was no mention of them on the paperwork
they sent me.

Thanks!
Vivian
viviana@tamri.com
South San Francisco, CA,USA
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viviana@tamri.com	       	      _.>/ _  Commuter   \/
Toshiba America MRI      	     (_) \(_) SF (Haight St)
From: ckh@varian.com (Chuck Huston)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Spike Bike EMail Request
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:45:32 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems


A friend of mine recently had his first "close encounter" on the road and I 
think that reading about the adventures of Spike Bike would be appropriate 
therapy.  I've seen in FAQ files that the collection of Bob Fishnell's 
stories IS available, however, our site isn't allowing me FTP of any kind.

WOULD SOMEONE BE KIND ENOUGH TO EMAIL ME THE SET OF SPIKE BIKE STORIES?

Thanks,

Chuck Huston
ckh@varian.com
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Bike Paths and the Media
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:43:02 GMT

On another note: Some columnist in the Tribune (Golf?) wrotye an article
in which he both praised bicycles, and then proceeded to insist that
the only way to safely bicycle was to ride on bicycle paths.

It's too bad that people that are in such positions don't know what they're
writing about.

Can't say that he doesn't mean well, but I hope Forester drops him
one of his huffy remissives.
From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:12:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu

I agree totally that this driver should be thoroughly punished, and that 
drivers in general should be penalized more heavily for not respecting the 
rights of cyclists.  However, there's an old saw that says there's two sides
to every story, so let's look for the other one.

First off, *nothing* excuses putting someone's life in danger; that's not the
point I'm trying to make.  I'm looking at motivations here.  In the fast-paced
society in which we live, motorists are nearly always in a hurry.  Not the way
I like to live my life, but true.  When they are suddenly blocked by a bike
moving at 15 mph, it's not hard to see how they might get irate.  

The world is not populated by saints, who get irate and still do the right
thing.  All too many motorists succumb to their baser emotions and take it out
on the biker.  After all, that damn bike shouldn't be on the road, right?

I have to ask whether it really makes sense for us to mix on one roadway
vehicles that average 50 mph with vehicles that average 20, or vehicles with
the acceleration power of cars with vehicles with the lower acceleration power
of bikes.  We're *creating* a situation that cannot fail to become nasty, and
we bikers are on the losing end by about 3000 pounds.

The real solution here is bike lanes and bike paths.  One would think that in
this age of environmental awareness that at the very least a good bike *lane*
that would take the bikes out of the traffic would be feasible in most places,
and certainly where any new roads are going in.

Anyway, I understand the monetary issues associated with this.  But I just don't
ride my bike in heavy traffic areas; I get to the well-shouldered highway just
as quickly as I can and do my training.  There's just no way we're going to 
change the attitude of the entire driving public.  There are too many of them
and too few of us.  And I'm too interested in making sure that my children
(the first is due July 28!) have an intact father to risk my life making some
kind of stupid political point.

Kip Ingram
kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: tim@fgh.fgh.oz.au (Tim Chambers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Yet Another Piece of History
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:59:15 GMT
Organization: FGH Decision Support Systems Pty Ltd, N. Sydney, NSW, Aus.

This is the very final part of the _Cyclists'_Touring_Guide_of_New_South_Wales_
by Joseph Pearson (1896).  This is a section entitled "A Few Points Worth
Attention" in the appendix.


                           HEIGHT OF GEAR.

  If it is your  intention o use your  machine principally for touring
purposes, do not  indulge in a  gear  too  high.  For touring  in  New
South Wales, which is considered a hilly  country, a  60 gear is quite
high  enough.  If  it is  higher than  60 the  strain on  an   average
rider is very severe.     It may not  be felt for the  first  20 miles
or so, but  it certainly   will be before  the day's exertion is over.
 Especially will  this be the  case if   the road is heavy or if there
is a head wind to contend against.


			     GEAR CASES.

  I consider the introduction  of  the gear  case one of   the best of
the modern cycle  improvements.  It is  only   necessary  to be caught
once in bad weather on a country  road to  prove its great advantages.
Without  the case, in muddy weather  the chain gets  clogged  with mud
and cannot run   free,  but  with the  gear case  as a  protector  the
state of  the weather  and condition of the road may be defied.


                             BRAKES.

  No machine for touring  purposes  is complete without  a  brake, yet
the rider should not  depend on his  brake  alone.  Every rider should
endeavour to be as expert as   possible  in   back-pedalling  in  case
the   brake  should  prove ineffective  at the critical  moment.  But,
on the  other  hand, back-pedalling is  a big strain   on the  rider's
endurance  if the  hill  happens  to  be a long  one.  Immediately the
rider  finds the machine getting  beyond his control, he should insert
his right foot  between the front forks  of  the machine and push with
all his force.  This will bring it to an immediate standstill.


                            THE CHAIN.

  Particular care should  be exercised in  adjusting the chain  wheel.
If the chain does not run  true,  it considerably  increases its wear,
and gives it  a tendency to  mount  the cogs.     Occasionally one  of
the   black nuts  may  get loose, causing the  back   wheel spindle to
slip.    This should be  immediately rectified.  In case   of a  rivet
of the chain   breaking,  it   can be  replaced with an  ordinary wire
nail,  one  or two   of which   should always  be  carried in  case of
emergency.


--
The end.  The rest of the book consists of route descriptions, and advertisments
for whisky, beer, tobacco and cycling clothes.
-- 
Tim     __o
        \<,         "The more you drive, the less intelligent you are."
     ( )/ ( )                     - Miller in _Repo_Man_
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: pete@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey)
Subject: Re: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Organization: Computing & Communications Services, U of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:05:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.231732.13870@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>He was opposing "cold ice", say -10 deg celcius, which can't be melted by
>reasonable amounts of pressure, from pressure-meltable ice, which at -0.5 deg C
>is almost as warm as it is possible for ice to be and therefore can reasonable
>be called warm [for ice].
>
>BTW i question the common explanation of ice being melted by pressure [although
>i don't have a better one].  
>
Lots of research has been done on this in the X-country ski world.  Although
everyone agrees on the water/melt (at least the papers I've read) with
warm ice, there is disagreement on what causes skis to slide on cold ice(snow)
Some of this stuff makes interesting and thoroughly impractical (unless you're
olympic quality) reading.

Wouldn't reasearch on sliding tires be interesting?  Lots of parameters..
the ice (temperature, old, new, dirty, smooth, amount of air...) as well as
the tires (material, tread, pressure, temperature, speed)  An interesting
PhD Thesis!

-Pete
P.S. In my experience (skiing, walking, cycling) the colder it is, the
less slippery it is.  Research supports this as well.


-- 
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From: robishaw@asteroid.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:41:11 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

In article <1993Jan21.214921.713@speedy.aero.org> keenan@kanga.aero.org (Don Keenan) writes:
>
>Your behaviour can generate unreasonable responses and it is not bullshit 
>to recognize that you are increasing your risk of injury by getting into
>an exchange of this sort.  
>
Bingo!!!! I couldn't have said it better and, in fact, did not.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
From: f0471913@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Bicyclist killed in suspicious hit-run
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Washington State University
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:51:50 -0800


From the Examiner article:

>       Saturday's hit-and-run occurred in midafternoon on a straight stretch 
> of Danville Boulevard in unincorporated Alamo. Police said the cyclists, all 
> experienced riders, were pedaling two abreast in a marked bike lane, on the 
> side of the two-lane roadway, when they heard a driver gun her car.

In my many years of riding in California I can't even begin to count the number
of times that groups in which I was riding with were pulled over, yelled at,
lectured, and otherwise harassed by law enforcement officers for not riding
single file. I'm not bitching about the police, they were just doing their job:
California law dictates that groups of biyclists must ride single file. Now
don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that riding double file contributed to the
accident - my point is that the woman's defense lawyer will push this fact for
all it's worth. This might even be one of those legendary technicalities with
which murderers get off. I hope not though. A high profile trial followed by a
long jail sentence may even make a few of those would be cyclist-runner-overers 
think twice before assaulting their next victims.

-Dave

David Lawson
Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics
Washington State University
Pullman, WA  99163-4660
f0471913@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
From: tlp@panix.com (Tracy Pendergast)
Subject: Martha's Vineyard?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:48:01 GMT


Hi All!

I've always wanted to take a long weekend
on Martha's Vineyard... and I've heard that
there's bicycle riding to be had there also?

Can anyone set me straight here?  Also, any
good places to stay etc... (and with the
possibility of pets ?????)

Thanks for any info ... and I do realize that
its still only January but the day was so warm
and sunny that I got to thinking... Hmmmmm...

Thanks!  --tl
From: lind0014@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Stopping Thieves Re: Bike-only Households
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:42:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C1IzzD.n0H
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <C1Ivnn.B5M@ccu.umanitoba.ca> yschin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Yu-Shin Chin) writes:
>
>How about lead-tin solder which can be applied with a soldering gun.  The
> melting point of this solder is much lower than that of steel
>bolts/screws.  So it should be relatively safe, but the temp may be high
>enough to affect the strength of the bolt mat

Soldering Lead-Tin to steel isn't easy, and generally requires very
corrosive fluxes which you wouldn't wnat near your bike.  The
temperatures aren't all that high, around 230 degrees C depending on the
composition.  It can probably be done, but I think I've read of people
doing the same thing with silicone caulk.  It's also easier to remove when
you want to remove it, though easier for a thief as well.  If somebody really wants something,
they're going to get it.  All you can really do is discourage them enough
so it isn't worth the time/risk.

Chris Lindensmith
lind0014@student.tc.umn.edu
University of Minnesota