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Subject:      Re: Savage Inequalities

Re:  Bennett Copeland's remarks about costs and beliefs--

There is a connection between our beliefs (schooling for personal economic
benefit) and what we are willing to pay for.  If we believe that the chief
purpose of education (perhaps as distinguished from schooling) is personal
economic utility, and if these benefits accrue more substantially to the
children of the affluent, then logic (?) dictates the sort of "investment
pattern" we actually observe (i.e., savage inequalities).  It's almost as if
justice demands that we relinquish the misplaced faith in personal economic
utility, if schooling (not to mention education) is to become more equitable.



From:  Craig Howley
       ERIC Clearinghouse on Rural Education and Small Schools
       P.O. Box 1348
       1031 Quarrier Street
       Charleston, WV  25325-1348
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From:         "Michael R. Wrona" <mwrona@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Smith/Berliner for Sec/Asst Sec of ED

Those interested in encouraging the appointment of Mike Smith to
Secretary of Education and/or David Berliner to Assistant Secretary for
Educational Research and Improvement can drop a note to the Clinton-Gore
transition team at the following address:

                      Clinton-Gore Transition Team
                      P.O. Box 615
                      Little Rock, Arkansas 72203

This may not be the best address, since ED appointment decisions may be
made at the DC office, but it's a start.

Smith and Berliner at ED with Miriam Wright Edelman at HSS.  What a combo!

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Those of us who have written on or worked with Foxfire are upset and
disoriented by the recent trial and plea of guilty to child molestation by
its founder, Eliot Wigginton.  The details in the Atlanta and Asheville
(NC) papers have been lurid and depressing.  Many in the organization in
Rabun County, GA say that the program will go on, but in many ways the
program has revolved around Wigginton (see John Puckett's book, FOXFIRE
RECONSIDERED, U of I press, which I reviewed favorably for TCR a while
back).  What is the history on other educational "movements" whose
charismatic leaders have fallen from grace?  Just some thoughts I wanted to
unload into virtual reality, hoping for clarity...

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From:         "Dorothy J. Christoff" <DCHRISTO@PURCCVM.BITNET>

Election news from Indiana...

While there were no propositions or initiatives involving education on
the ballot, there were some interesting developments involving the
(elected) position of State Superintendent of Public Instruction.

The two (major) candidates were Stan Jones (a Democrat, former state
representative and current education advisor to the Governor) and
Suellen Reed (former teacher and principal and current superintendent of
a relatively small school district).

Since this is a race that most people (other than educators...) pay little
attention to (kinda like some of the judge races...), it was widely
assumed prior to the election that the "Governor's Guy" would ride the
coattails of a very popular Governor (Evan Bayh - son of former Senator
Birch Bayh) who was running for re-election.  No one seemed to give
Reed any chance for election.

While Bayh won handily (63% - 37%) there seemed to be a lot of vote
splitting (or at least a lot of Republican sentiment) taking place.
Bush won Indiana (43% - 37%), a very close friend (and political protege')
of Bayh's lost the Senate race by a large margin (58% - 42%) and Stan
Jones got beaten in a close race (51% - 47%).

It will be interesting to see what will happen (or continue to happen?)
with the State Superintendent being an educator of the opposite political
party from the Governor rather than a legislator from the same party (the
same situation which has existed the last four years).

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From: sunolen@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Susan Nolen)
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Subject: Nominations for Sec of Ed
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Is there a reason why no one on the list is touting a female for either
sec of ed or asst sec of ed?  I've heard Shalala and Resnick mentioned,
but the big push seems directed elsewhere.  I don't know Shalala, but
Resnick has certainly been at the center of important reform efforts
involving parties from K-12, university, and government, and has unimpeachable
research qualifications.

______________________________________________________________________________

Susan B. Nolen                      322 Miller Hall DQ-12
                                    University of Washington
sunolen@u.washington.edu            Seattle, WA   98195
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From:         RMJAEGER@UNCG.BITNET
Subject: Re: Election and who will be Clinton's Sec. of Ed.?

No news here on potential Secretary of Education, other than the names
already proposed by others -- Shalala and Kean and Romer have surfaced
more frequently than others.  More unlikely, Mark Tucker and Lauren Resnick
were among those mentioned in Washington last week.  However, a new and
more interesting rumor is the possible selection of David Berliner at
Arizona State University for Assistant Secretary for Educational Research
and Improvement (Diane Ravitch's job, formerly held by Checker Finn).  I
think we should encourage that selection.  It has so many elements of
poetic justice that it's enticing and, moreover, Berliner would do a
first-rate job.

Dick Jaeger
University of North Carolina at Greensboro
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919-334-5100
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Do we think the inequalities Kozol exposes as failures of education, or
failures of society?  That is, what sorts of policy questions does one ask if
one takes Kozol's description to be a problem?

If, by the logic of Kozol's argument, and as Hugh suggests, we can turn to
state constitutions to address unacceptable inequities, does the same logic
demand reform of the US constitution?  That is, the problem is created by the
fact that some local governmental units are a lot poorer than others, and
so inequities result in the education of children.  But some states are also
poorer than others, and so even if we "solve" the problem on the state level,
will we re-create it on the national level.

Note that the above slips from talk about "inequalities" to "inequities".
These two are not the same thing.  Policy question: how do we determine where
the former becomes the latter?


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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:15:57 EST
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From:         TJPUGH@SUVM.BITNET

In response to Gene Glass's suggestion that holding wealthy
parents' children hostage in public schools as a way to
improve those schools:
  Such logic provided part of the justification for
busing of school children re desegragation.  The response
on the part of wealthy parents was, for many, flight.  So,
instead of mixing poorer, and minority children, with
wealthier white children to the improvement of ed. conditions
for all, vis-a-vis the wealthy parents' high expectations,
demands, and connections, the result was a larger group of
poor quality urban schools filled by poor children of all stripes.
My comment oversimplifies implied causes, but it points to
one of the attractions of some sort of choice plan (though I
am not generally enamored of the option):  Those with
means already do choose the school their children attend,
either by sending the child to a private school or by moving the
entire family to a district filled with like-walleted people.
I don't see anyway hostage taking can prevent or solve that fact.
--Tom Mauhs-Pugh
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Dear Professor Scribner,

I'm brand new to EDPOLYAN and have only been on Internet/Bitnet for
about a month, but I can give you a few hints.

Send the following command to LISTSERV   "INFO ?" (without the quotes)

and you will receive back a list of common commands for searching
database files, sending messages, identifying subscribers, etc.
Sending a personal message to the OWNER or POSTMASTER of the list can
also get you out of a jam.

One thing to remember is to send commands to LISTSERV not to the
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Sincerely,

Steve Olsen
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> Date:          Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:21:05 -0600
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> To Whom I t May Concern:
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>     I am a frustrated professor whose about to give up on using E   EDPOLYAN.
> Ay Any assistance would be appreaciated!  Thanks in advance.
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> Jay Scribner
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From: PROHUGH@UBVMS.BITNET (Hugh Petrie)
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Subject: Re: Policies on reappointment
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:51:41 GMT
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The College of Education at the University of Nebraska at Omaha is
looking into reorganizing its committee on reappointment, promotion, and
tenure.  We are very interested in how such committees are structured at
other universities.

At your university:

        1.  Who is elegible for a seat on the committee?  Certain
                ranks only?  Tenured faculty only?


In the School of Education only full professors are eligible for the committe,
likewise on the campus level committee. In the departments people vote "rank on
rank"

=======================================

        2.  If lower rank professors are allowed to sit on the
                committee, do they make decisions about faculty
                who rank higher?

No, See above

====================================

        3.  Are members chosen at the department level or college-wide?

The members are chose at the department level, two per department

================================

        4.  Does the Dean or Associate Dean sit in on the committee's
                deliberations as an ex-officio member or resource
                person?

The Dean sits ex-officio to hear the discussion.  The dean has no vote.

==================================

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From: LFN91@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU (Leo Neveu)
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list???


Leo F. Neveu
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From:         Mahan_Stephen@LANMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL
Subject:      RE: Enriched air (NITROX)

With regard to the statement that SEALs would not use enriched air;
I dive with those folks on occasion.  It is true that nothing but air
goes into those SCUBA cylinders.  However, SCUBA is not the only type of
rig they dive.  Rebreathers are by definition mixed gas rigs,
with DYNAMIC (on-site) control of the gas mix.  Advanced training, sure.
They do it on a regular basis, though.  Tough to carry enough gas for 10
(approximate) hours self contained otherwise.

steve
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: rec.scuba posting address

>
> Reply to Hans Greiner: No, you cannot subscribe to rec.scuba this way (it
 costs
>  money), but you can post via the gateway. As a scuba-l subscriber, you will
>  then get rec.scuba digests each day automatically from Nick Simicich (thanx
>  Nick !!). --John Geary.
>

So where do I post if I want to post to Scuba-l??

Cosma


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Subject:      BC, which are the best?

>On equipment (BCs) what manufacturer, and type, would you all recomend?
>I have tried the Zeagle and SeaQuest BCs, but I would like to see what the
>list of experts out there have to say.

>                                                                Andy
>                                                Ahardison@intel9.intel.com

Andy,

It is really hard to say which is the best, however I feel That SHERWOODS
GENESIS is a good deal.  It is a high volume bladder with diconnect clips
on both shoulders for easy removal and putting on in the water if you
like getting suited up in the water rather than a boat/shore.  Also the
it has a feature that you can Change pockets and shoulder colors when
you are tired of the colors that you are currently wearing.  The Fathom BC
is very much like the Sherwood and a little less expensive - However I found
people that use the FATHOM should not stuff things in the pockets like weights
or rocks (most likely you would be buying new pockets all the time).  You get
what you pay for.  The US Divers Has a BC that is kind of neat.  I do not
remember the name of that type  - however it has large arm holes big enough
that you fit your arm through the hole amost vertically only bending the elbow.
It similar to the female version of the vest( called elan) it has now shoulder
clips  - however it goes on and off very easily - as a matter of fact it has no
clips at all only a cumberbund - also the price is very competitive on this BC

Hans
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From:         PLASMA POWERED <CMCREYNOLDS@INTEL9.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      RE: BC, which are the best?

DEAR MR. HARDISON,
	IN REPLY TO YOUR REQUEST FOR WHO MAKES THE BEST-I'M BIASED
TO THE ZEAGLE FOR THE STREAMLINE SLEAK DESIGN CREATING THE LEAST
AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE, TREMENDOUS FOOT POUNDS OF LIFT CAPABILITY,
VERITY OF COMPONENT ADD ONS, WEIGHT INTERGRATION AND EASE OF
MAITENANCE.
THE BOTTOM LINE-WHAT EVER WORKS THE BEST AND YOUR MOST COMFORABLE
AND SAFE DIVING IN ...

                                             DIVER DOWN
From: awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
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Subject: Re: Thought this might be of interest
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:08:51 GMT
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In article <01GQSB8UHG3K000BQM@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>,
LAPORTEM@OSHKOSHW.BITNET (DEMO GOD) writes:
|> 
|> >And while we are on warranties, I recently bought a Buddy Commando
|> >BC (or ABJ as they like to call it) and found their warranty quite
|> 
|> Never heard of this brand before, what else do they make?

The company (AP Valves based in England) make BCs/ABJs and an alternate
source called the AutoAir II, which is similar to the Scubapro second
source. I am happy with my jacket and people I have talked to seem to
prefer it to the Scubapro gear. I'm told that the main problem with the
Scubapro alternate source is that the 1st stage has to be setup/chosen
to suit the alternate source. This isn't a problem with the AutoAir.
Their address is:

	AP Valves
	Water-Ma-Trout Industrial Estate
	Helston
	Cornwall
	England

|> [Deleted]
|> 
|> Most of the companies I can think of right now only warranty a product for the
|> original owner.  I hope this doesn't come across cocky but would you give an
|> example of one who does warranty the second owner.

It may just be the stuff I am more used to buying (synthesizers/golf clubs/
ski gear) or it may be a difference between the UK and the US, but I'm
sure I haven't seen an express reference to the warranty covering only the
first owner. I will check it tonight.

Alan.

|> | Mike La Porte
|> | PADI Divemaster

PS I hate divemasters today (cruel, cruel people). I went to the diving club
yesterday (Thursday) and told everyone what a great days skiing I had on
Wednesday and how sore my legs were. He then decided that I needed to review
my rescue skills and made me tow him up and down the pool 10 times.

--------------------------------------------
awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK
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Subject:      ALAN WRIGHT - WHO HATES CRUEL DIVEMASTERS

> PS I hate divemasters today (cruel, cruel people). I went to the diving club
> yesterday (Thursday) and told everyone what a great days skiing I had on
> Wednesday and how sore my legs were. He then decided that I needed to review
> my rescue skills and made me tow him up and down the pool 10 times.

> --------------------------------------------
> awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
> BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK
> --------------------------------------------

WHAT IS WORSE THAN A DIVEMASTER IS A INSTRUCTOR WHO
BELIEVES HIS DIVEMASTERS "WILL BE" THE STRONGEST AND MOST INFORMED
THAN ANY OTHER SCUBA SHOP/CLUB

TO PASS THE RESCUE CLASS WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SKILLS CHECK OUT
TWICE IN A COLD,COLD,COLD LAKE WITH TWO DIFFERENT INSTRUCTORS (ONE
OF WHICH WEIGHTS ABOUT 320 LBS/ 145.1495 KGS FOR YOU METRIC FANS)
EVERY THREE MONTHS WE HAVE TO REDO THE SKILLS. TODAY AT 1:00 PM IS
THAT WONDERFUL THREE MONTH PERIOD.

AS FOR OUR DIVEMASTER SKILLS - TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH - WHAT I AM REALLY
TIRED OF IS BUDDY BREATHING.  AT THE END OF EVERY POOL SESSION WITH THE
BEGGINING OPEN WATER STUDENTS WE PRACTICE BUDDY BREATHING FOR 50 METERS
POOL AND SOMETIMES WE EXCHANGE GEAR WHILE BUDDY BREATHING WHENEVER HE FEELS
WE NEED MORE PRACTICE.  SO FOR YOUR 10 LENGTH TOW I DO NOT THINK I
WOULD PASS UP THE CHANCE TO PRACTICE MY RESCUE SKILLS IN THAT RESPECT AFTER A
DAY OF SKIING IF IT MEANT I COULD GET AWAY WITH PRACTICING OUR SKILLS
OUR WAY OR SHOULD I SAY HIS WAY!

"IDC" WANNA BE
HANS
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