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From: jig1@inode.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: LHX HELICOPTER SIMULATOR
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:15:55 EST
Reply-To: jig1@inode.com
Distribution: world
Organization: inode BBS, Usenet Access for NYC (212-679-9146)


D>The game LHX has support for the Adlib sound card, Tandy sound and
D>PC sound. The games runs fine within a DOS Window under OS/2 V2.0.
D>There is a problem with the sound. LHX tries to detect a sound card
D>at startup. About half the time it fails to detect my Sound Blaster
D>card, so utilizes the limited PC sound capabilities.

Why don't you try to force SB sound.  There is a parameter that you use
for that.  Something like LHX adlibsound
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From: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG (Eric Trepanier)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Better vdisk
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:55:47 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized?

In article <1993Jan06.161623.16242@watson.ibm.com> cnadler@vnet.ibm.com writes:
> 
> If you look at the C-Set/2 compiler (possibly the one in beta right now), it
> allows you to put your temp files into memory, [...]

Humm, if that goes for *.OBJ and output *.EXE & *.DLL files when compiling,
then this is pretty good I guess.  Especially since my only real need for
a RAM disk is when compiling.

> I don't think that this will be as practical as the implementation on the
> Amiga because of the disk cache and the swapper re-use. The only reason I've
> seen for a VDISK on a system like OS/2 is for frequently used files that are
> continually used (i.e. header files if you do alot of compiling.

Well I may be wrong, but isn't it possible that the VDISK memory might
actually be swapped-out to disk under low-memory conditions?  If that is
so, then it invalidates the theory that a dynamically-allocated virtual
disk would be less efficient.

> >Are you listening, IBM?  ;^)
> 
> We're trying to listen better. BTW, I am not part of OS/2 development. These
> beliefs are my own - development may be writing this as we speak - I have no
> idea.

Wow, I certainly wasn't hoping for a real IBMer to reply on this, but
it sure is nice to see that *we are* reaching you folks!  8-)

> Cliff Nadler
> IBM Federal Systems Company
> 
> Note: This post represents the views of the poster, not those of IBM or the
>       IBM Federal Systems Company


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: cambria@smaug.enet.dec.com (Michael C. Cambria)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know...Swap File
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:38:04 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.222411.502@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes...
>In article <1993Jan6.204721.27215@apgea.army.mil> rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>) writes:
>>ok, the new question is: Does the swap file keep growning? I plan to run it
>>24 hours aday (for my BBS) and I don't want to wake up and see a 30 meg swap
>>file!!!
> 
>No.  The swap file is much like a stack.  When pages at the end of the
>file are released, the file will shrink.  It grows and shrinks in 1MB
>increments.  Also, pages that were swapped out don't normally get
>swapped back in until they're used, so the file may not shring when
>you expect it to.  Finally, compression is only done during idle time,
>so periods of high activity will prevent shrinkage.
> 
>But, in general, the swap file does shrink, but never to it's
>"just-booted" initial size.  Mine starts at 3MB, and usually remains
>between 6MB and 10MB, depending on how many apps I've running.
> 
>>next question:
>>With a 486 DX 33 and 16 megs of ram, normally running only 2 or three applica-
>>tions at one time of fewer, mainly dos programs or maybe 1 os/2-windows
>>program and a dos based BBS program (telegard); What size of a swap file
>>should I expect to see? 
> 
>With a 16MB system, probably less than 4MB in most cases.  Remember
>that DOS apps consume about 1MB each, plus any XMS or EMS memory they
>choose to use.  An OS/2 BBS program will use less, since it will only
>get what it needs instead of an entire virtual-8088 worth.
> 

[.sig deleted]

I've done some testing with the memlab1.exe program supplied with 
Redbook vol. I (still trying to see if os2 can see > 16MB on my
Gateway 2000 386/33 ISA system.)  I grap more and more VM each 
time trying to find when swapping starts.

I've allocated and written to as much as 25MB of virtual memory,
causing the swap file to grow large.  The program exits, I leave
the PC for one or more hours, and the swap file stays about the
same.  If I do something with the machine instead of walking away
for a few hours, the swap file will shrink, but not much.

However, if I run the same program, memlab1.exe, but just allocate
and write to 1 32 bit word (I know that a 4K page is still allocated)
and then exit, the swap file shrinks to just above the minimum value
specified in config.sys.

Has anyone seen similar behavior?

/Mike
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Windows video drivers used in WINOS/2?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:58:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <3qP1wB1w165w@tosspot.sv.com> lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds) writes:
>How does one get svga drivers for windows to run in WINOS/2?
>
>...I'm getting tired of the lo-res Windows display I get under OS/2.

Most normal Windows 3.0-compatible drivers will work as WIN-OS2
full-screen drivers.  Be sure to contact your board manufacturer,
though.  Some such drivers had bugs that would cause pointers to
disappear after switching out of, and back into, a WIN-OS2 session.
Many vendors, like ATI, have patched their driver to avoid this
problem, now.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Does anyone know...Swap File
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:24:11 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan6.204721.27215@apgea.army.mil> rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>) writes:
>ok, the new question is: Does the swap file keep growning? I plan to run it
>24 hours aday (for my BBS) and I don't want to wake up and see a 30 meg swap
>file!!!

No.  The swap file is much like a stack.  When pages at the end of the
file are released, the file will shrink.  It grows and shrinks in 1MB
increments.  Also, pages that were swapped out don't normally get
swapped back in until they're used, so the file may not shring when
you expect it to.  Finally, compression is only done during idle time,
so periods of high activity will prevent shrinkage.

But, in general, the swap file does shrink, but never to it's
"just-booted" initial size.  Mine starts at 3MB, and usually remains
between 6MB and 10MB, depending on how many apps I've running.

>next question:
>With a 486 DX 33 and 16 megs of ram, normally running only 2 or three applica-
>tions at one time of fewer, mainly dos programs or maybe 1 os/2-windows
>program and a dos based BBS program (telegard); What size of a swap file
>should I expect to see? 

With a 16MB system, probably less than 4MB in most cases.  Remember
that DOS apps consume about 1MB each, plus any XMS or EMS memory they
choose to use.  An OS/2 BBS program will use less, since it will only
get what it needs instead of an entire virtual-8088 worth.


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From: apoulsen@athena.mit.edu (Andy Poulsen)
Subject: 2.1 beta cd-rom -- may i borrow it?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: mit
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:45:49 GMT

hi my fellow mit os2 people, (nice long salutation...)

does anyone have a copy of the 2.1 beta cd-rom that i could borrow to
install it?  or would i be better off just to wait for the real thing?
does anyone know when it'll be out?

thanks in advance!

andy

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From: runt@spectrx.saigon.com (Max de dios)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: TSENG4000 for Win 3.1
Keywords: Win 3.1 TSENG
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:56:56 PST
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

Would anyone know if or where there are TSENG4000 drivrs for Windows 3.1, II 
find alot of 3.0 drivers which are slow, and i'm in need of some speedier 3.1 
drivers.  

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs
From: Andrew Bros <bros@convex.COM>
Subject: Help setting up Maximus BBS under OS/2
Summary: won't spawn BBS
Originator: bros@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: bros@convex.COM (Andrew Bros)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 19:32:51 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

  I'm trying to set up Maximus BBS under OS/2 V2.0.  My modem is a
Practical Peripheral 14400FXSA.  I have installed Maximus, and did
some customizing of the File and Message areas.

  The problem I'm having is when I'm running Maximus in the
Wait-for-Caller mode (that is, not using BinkleyTerm or FrontDoor).
The BBS recognizes that there is an incoming call, and instructs the
modem to take the phone off-hook.  It even appears that the modems can
negotiate a carrier bps and protocol, but then nothing happens.
Maximus reports that the caller hung up.

  The caller just sees that the phone was answered, and that a
connection was established, and then he's disconnected.

  I'd looking for someone who's running Maximus under OS/2 who might
be able to tell me what might be causing the problem.  There are quite
a few things that could be wrong, including my modem settings, but I
really don't know where to start.  If you've got an idea, please send
me some email.  Thanks.

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From: rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Does anyone know...Swap File
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:47:21 GMT
Organization: APG-Edgewood

In article <1993Jan06.162100.29821@watson.ibm.com> cnadler@vnet.ibm.com (Cliff Nadler) writes:
>In <Gary.Woodman.905.726283143@anu.edu.au> Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.185513.15544@apgea.army.mil> rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>) writes:
>>>and or control its size/existance?
>>
>>No. You cannot do either of these things; OS/2 must have a swapfile, and it 
>>is exactly the size it's required to be.
>>
>
>Actually, you can control it's existence by the MEMMAN parameter. If you make
>it NOSWAP, it will only use the real memory in your system. However, if you
>run out of memory, you're in trouble. Since most systems use the swapper (even
>mine with 14Mb), you can run out of room real quick.
>
>I'm running the 2.1 beta and have found it uses less memory and swapper than
>previous version. This is still a beta, though.
>
>Cliff Nadler
>IBM Federal Systems Company
>
>Note: This post represents the views of the poster, not those of IBM or the
>      IBM Federal Systems Company


Well, there reason why I asked the question in the first place is that Windozes
is a dog with any kind of swap file. With my 486 with 16 megs of ram, windows
ran ALOT better with the swap file turned off. Hoever, now that I'm an os/2
2.0 user, it doesn't seem to be the case but I am always looking for ways
to improve the performance of my system. (not to mention, disk space!)

ok, the new question is: Does the swap file keep growning? I plan to run it
24 hours aday (for my BBS) and I don't want to wake up and see a 30 meg swap
file!!!
next question:
With a 486 DX 33 and 16 megs of ram, normally running only 2 or three applica-
tions at one time of fewer, mainly dos programs or maybe 1 os/2-windows
program and a dos based BBS program (telegard); What size of a swap file
should I expect to see? 
Rob Merritt
From: runt@spectrx.saigon.com (Max de dios)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Pkzip pkunzip 3.05
Keywords: virus
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 09:15:08 PST
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

is there a deadly virus on the hack of pkzip 3.05??

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Does anyone know...Swap File
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:14:29 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan7.144505.6099@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> cambria@smaug.enet.dec.com (Michael C. Cambria) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.222411.502@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes...
>>No.  The swap file is much like a stack.  When pages at the end of the
>>file are released, the file will shrink.  It grows and shrinks in 1MB
>>increments.  Also, pages that were swapped out don't normally get
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>swapped back in until they're used, so the file may not shring when
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>you expect it to.  Finally, compression is only done during idle time,
>>so periods of high activity will prevent shrinkage.
>
>I've allocated and written to as much as 25MB of virtual memory,
>causing the swap file to grow large.  The program exits, I leave
>the PC for one or more hours, and the swap file stays about the
>same.  If I do something with the machine instead of walking away
>for a few hours, the swap file will shrink, but not much.
>
>However, if I run the same program, memlab1.exe, but just allocate
>and write to 1 32 bit word (I know that a 4K page is still allocated)
>and then exit, the swap file shrinks to just above the minimum value
>specified in config.sys.

This sounds like what I'd expect.  If you allocate 32MB of VM and then
quit, there's a good chance that your memlab1.exe program has been
swapped out to the END of the swap file.  And there it sits.  When you
run it again, the page is swapped back in, and now there's a
contiguous block of free swap space all the way to the end of the
file, and the swap file is truncated appropriately.

The bug doesn't seem to be in swap file compression.  It appears that
the system doesn't automatically swap-in program segments that have
just terminated.  This has the effect of keeping the swap file large,
but programs, once started the first time, load much faster the second
time.
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From: d92-jhe@dront.nada.kth.se (Johan Hellman)
Subject: Re: BBS and FaxWorks under OS/2 2.0
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:34:25 GMT

In <1993Jan11.150413.188667@rrz.uni-koeln.de> MVOLPERS@CIPVAX.BIOLAN.UNI-KOELN.DE (Markus Volpers) writes:

>What I would like to setup now is a BBS-System with BinkleyTerm as a frontend
>for both Maximus (the BBS) and FaxWorks. FaxWorks can be invoked from the
>command line in a "receive one fax"-mode. What I currently dont understand
>is a way how Binkley and FaxWorks can share the same comport. This is 
>managed between Binkley and Max by passing a "com port handle" to each 
>other during the "spawn-BBS"-process of BinkleyTerm.

There is a version of Binkleyterm out which can receive fax's. It is
called BinkleyTerm EE and is a hack of BT 2.50 I think. Maybe that
would be your solution? I dont know where it is available, but I
think it can be found at one of your larger local FidoNet BBS's.

/johan








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From: Chris.Collins@f366.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Deskpic Problems!
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 12:58:06

 > From: Kevin_Fischer@f344.n202.z1.fidonet.org 
 >  
 > I'm trying to get Deskpic 1.32 working with my OS/2 system (GA+SP). 
 > I have it installed and configured, and put a line in my STARTUP.CMD 
 > file that says "START DESKPIC.EXE". 
 > Now when I boot up it starts with the screen saver right away.  Is 
 > there a way to get it to wait for the inactivity time out? 
 >  
 Kevin, 
 
          Try the following. Rather than putting a line in your  
STARTUP.CMD file, simply make a shadow of the icon for Deskpic in you  
STARTUP folder. I believe that you press CTRL and tag with the RMB and 
then drag it into the STARTUP folder. 
 
          Then double click on either icon, and the top row of your  
screen should change to a menu bar. Click on the top left corner and  
go into Options to set up time and screen savers. Don't use the  
animated backgrounds, they seem to give OS/2 the pip! 
 
          This works okay on my GASP system. 
 
          Hope that this helps. 
 
          Chris 
 
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Subject: Re:Lotus 1-2-3 3.1 work?? -- YES!!!
From: ghdai@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:03:46 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

>I just setup a new workstation w/ os2 for one of my users.  I was trying to
>get lotus 123 r3.1 (DOS) to run under os2. I did what the readme describes,
>but I get a NPX(accessing the math coprocessor).  Has anyone got lotus 123 3.1
>to work?
>
>   By the way the workstation is a IBM value point 486SX 25  w/ 8meg.

Apparently Lotus 1-2-3 tried to use math coprocessor which the 486SX machine
does not have.  Fortunately, OS/2 have built-in math-coprocessor emulation,
and for any DOS programs that try to use a math coprocessor, you should
include the next line in your CONFIG.SYS:

device=c:\os2\mdos\VNPX.SYS

Good luck!


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From: balesej@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Eric J Bales)
Subject: Re: BackMaster (was: CMS tape backup is buggy!)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:52:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.164542.3858@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.151335.22463@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> greve@rs1 (Thomas Greve) writes:
>>Backmaster is a backup program (you guessed it ;-), that is available
>>from hobbes:/pub/uploads. I tried it between Xmas and New Years Eve
>>and was a bit disappointed. There already is an item in the `settings'
>>menu for QIC40/80 media, but this item is still `not implemented'...
>
>This is a demo copy.  BackMaster is commercial.  It will be available
>for $49.95 (introductory price).

When will this be available?  From the demo, although it's not useable,
it looks pretty nice.

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From: Hugh.Craig@f3333.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Hugh Craig)
Sender: Usenet@f-454.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Te/2
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:02:08 -0600

     
 GR> I used to experience the following error rather infrequently, 
 GR> but it has begun to happen more often lately (possibly because 
 GR> I've been doing other stuff while downloading more often).
     
 GR> The error:
     
 GR> TE/2 SYS0039 The COM1 device is not ready.
     
     
 GR> This error pops up occasionally when TE/2 is downloading and 
 GR> I'm doing other stuff (not stuff which mucks with the serial 
 GR> ports, of course; editing or some such).  Once the error pops 
 GR> up, only a shutdown and reboot will allow me to run TE/2 again. 
 GR>  Any ideas?  I'm strongly inclined to blame TE/2, just because 
 GR>  it's been a pain in the butt before, but TE/2 (in my opinion) 
 GR>  is still the lesser of the available evils.
     
 GR> -- 
 GR> Golden Richard III             OSU Dept. of Computer and 
 GR> Information Science grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu                 

Thats a new one to me. First I've seen this TE/2 -OS/2 complaint.

Perhaps its a hardware problem. Somthing on the Comcard pucking? eh?


Wish I could be of more help. Only thing I can tell you is that
I've been using TE/2 for...six months... (currently v1.20 with
the new 32 bit CommPak/2.dll v 1.91) and the only operational
problems I've ever had has been a rare tendency to refuse to
close. (has happend perhaps 5 times in the six months). And
a broken TE/2 to TE/2 zmodem engine. Thruput would suffer on
these type connects.

  On the latter problem noted this has been fixed with the
new Commpak.dll v1.91 32bit version.!

I've never seen a error like the one you've listed.


Hardware here: Intel Model 400 Internal, 486DX-33, ISA Bus,
Trident 8900c.

Standard Comm drivers supplied with OS/2. Nothing fancy.
OS/2 gA with xr6055 Service Pack


Also using non-registered TE/2. (Soon to be rectified(the latest
version DLL has sold me that Brady can fix his beastie)).



Hugh Craig - KG5OY - AKA

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Subject: Re: Multi-Media support?
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:27:18 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Keywords: OS/2 Multimedia

In article <271@heimdall.sdrc.com> drkerns@sony7.sdrc.com (sean kerns) writes:
> Does anyone know if there are plans to add multimedia support, or upgrade
> the version of "Windows" emulated to include the cool tricks taht come with
> Windows 3.1? 
> I'd really hate to take a step backwardsin this respect (OLE, MIDI stuff, etc)
> 
> SRK

The 2.1 beta will have MMPM/2 built in. WinOS/2 has had OLE since the day it
was released with V2.0 GA. 
 
WinOS/2 3.1 allows you to plug in all the neat little sounds and thingies that
Win3.1 does......it is just OS/2 itself that doesn't have these features
(yet....:-))
 
WinOS/2 3.1 is - for all practical purposes - Windows 3.1. The only difference
i have been able to find so far is there is no Windows terminal applet and you
can't install Windows for Workgroups over it.
 
Other than that....if you want to use Whoop-it-up or other little Windows
add-ons.....go for it with Os/2 2.1
 
Steve


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