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From: prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: INDIAN TEAM to SA/ZIMBABWE
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:26:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct7.163428.15984
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct6.214715.26379@news.acns.nwu.edu>, sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes...
>In article <1992Oct2.183426.27610@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:
>>
>>In article <92276.115214SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>>>In article <1992Oct2.065829.28990@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>>>Sanjay.Naik@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) says:
>>>>
[stuff deleted]

>>Raman has 3 fifty plus knocks in the 5 tests he played. Scored 84 in the 2nd
>>innings of the 4th test against WI (1988 - played just that test). Scored 96 
>>in the 2nd innings of the 1st test and 69 in the 2nd innings of the 3rd Test
>>in NZ (1990 - played 3 tests). His other Test was against NZ (Hadlee) in B'lore.
>>
> 
>	Plus, Iam sure he played the WI in WI in at least one test, and
>didn't do much . Will try and get details of that , as well as Raman's test
>figures, have it sitting someplace.
> 
>			Sadiq [ clarifying ] Yusuf
> 
>>/Bharani

You're right. That was when he travelled as replacement to the injured
Srikanth. He had made 1000 odd runs during the Ranji season that year. A
record. 

He made 14 & 15 (I think) in that Test.

/Bharani
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: stiffer over rates for SA Tour ??
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <00962127.CD5158E0@vms.csd.mu.edu>
5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>	       21 ovs/hr is impossible even in first class 
>cricket (I mean non tests ).

	It's hard to see why, in *principle*, Tests should be slower than
FC cricket, or for that matter "serious" club cricket, but let that pass.
When, some years ago, the rule was added that the umpires should signal
when the "last hour" of a match started, and that 20 overs should then be
bowled, it wasn't a plot to extend all the matches;  it was an attempt to
prevent time-wasting.  20 overs was thought *then* to be a *reasonable*
*minimum* number of overs to specify, and there have been many cases of
teams bowling a lot more than that in the last hour when attempting to
winkle out the opposing tail.  A pair of spin bowlers with short runs
can *easily* get through 30, "even" in a Test.

	It's only in recent years that over rates of 16, then 15, then
12, have become normal, and even acceptable, as a tactic primarily to
keep fast bowlers fresh.  Perhaps someone with access to detailed
scorecards can check, but I think you will find that as many overs were
typically bowled in the 3-day Tests of the early years of this century
as in today's 5-day Tests.

	Whether 21 is a misprint, or a good idea, is another matter;
but it most certainly isn't impossible.  If the over rate was allied
to penalty runs, instead of to extra hours or fines, I think you would
find it "magically" increasing back to the rates of yesteryear.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: "we are the world " t
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:17:48 EST

To: HH9679A@auvm.american.edu



 -=> Quoting Hh9679a to All <=-

 
 Hh> Spin can be negated by any No 11 batsman by simply padding the
 Hh> ball away. Notice the top teams in the world concentrate on the
 Hh> Quick stuff e.g Pakistan (Akram,Waqar Younis,Aqib Javed and the
 Hh> recently retired Imran), West Indies(Bishop, Ambrose,Walsh,Patterson).
 
 You ignore that Pakistan used Qadir as their #2 wicket taker in the
1980s, and in Pakistani history, with well over 200 wickets...

 Also, Mushtaq Ahmad is now an INTEGRAL part of Pakistan's offensive
line.

 A good leg-spinner is a HUGE threat to ANY sort of batsman.
 
 Faraz Rabbani
        faraz.rabbani@canrem.ca
        

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From: swami@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Swami srinivasan)
Subject: Re: Banerjee's selection & cribbing
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 05:52:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Oct.5.21.22.03.1992.2357@ring8.rutgers.edu> ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:
 
>Some of us are sick and tired of reading about some netters' cribbing
>regarding the selection of Banerjee in the Indian team. 
>
>What did Amre do when he got his chance last time in Australia??
>                        NOTHING
>
>These netters have no problem on Amre's selection. I tell you, Anybody
>can do better than what he did. Now, if you compare Banerjee, do you
>remember a ODI in which he slogged real well when needed, and when
>others failed. In a test, in a day he took all the three or four
>wickets, but next day probably Azhar thaougt that his quota of taking
>wickets was over and didn't make him bowl again. I don't remeber a
>single criticism against this action of Azhar. 
>
>Cool it guys

	You must be a Bong! :-) 

	True, no one knows why Banerjee wasn't bowled after the first
day. I'm pretty sure people were discussing that.. wondering if Azhar
forgot about him, deliberately or otherwise. Maybe he was injured and
somehow no-one got to know about it. I'm sure it wouldn't have gone
unnoticed. 

	Anyway, the fact is that we have one extra seamer at the cost
of a batsman (read Kambli). Whether it is Chetan or Banerjee is up for
discussion. Chetan is an experienced chap, Banerjee is not (Azhar might
have to share some blame for that, but let's leave him out of this).
Hence the common complaint that East Zone quota ensured that Banerjee
was in while Kambli wasn't. 

							swami

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swaminathan srinivasan
center for high tech materials
eece, university of new mexico
albuquerque, nm 87131			swami@chtm.eece.unm.edu
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From: svb0224@zeus.tamu.edu (BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY V)
Subject: Kapil's Hundreds
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:07:00 GMT


        The complete list of Kapil's hundreds is as follows

1) 126 against W.Indies at New Delhi, 1978-79
2) 116 against England at Kanpur, 1981-82
3) 100 n.o. against W.Indies at Port of Spain, 1983.
4) 119 against Australia at Madras, 1986.
5) 163 against Sri Lanka at Kanpur, 1986.
6) 106 against W.Indies at Madras, 1987-88.
7) 110 against England at Oval, 1990.

Three of Kapil's seven hundreds are against W.Indies.

Just for the record, here is a list of Azharuddin's centuries in test cricket

1) 110 against England at Calcutta, 1984-85.
2) 105 against England at Madras, 1984-85.
3) 122 against England at Kanpur, 1984-85.
4) 199 against Sri Lanka at Kanpur, 1986.
5) 141 against Pakistan at Calcutta, 1987.
6) 110 against Pakistan at Jaipur, 1987.
7) 109 against Pakistan at Faisalabad, 1989.
8) 192 against N.Z at Auckland, 1990.
9) 121 against England at Lord's, 1990.
10)179 against England at Old Trafford, 1990.
11)106 against Australia at Adelaide, 1991-92.

Azhar's first six hundred's are in India where as his next five are abroad.
Azhar's 192 against Hadlee, Morrison, Snedden and Thomson ( Shane ) was rated
by the critcs as one of best innings ever played in the Kiwi land.

Sridhar.
From: reddyc@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Chandra Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Australian cricket season starts ......
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:59:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of British Columbia

In article <92290.085107SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:
|> In article <719189425@flounder.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman
|> [Quintessential] Azhar) says:
|> >
|> >
|> >           "Those", who commented that India won the 1983 world cup by
|> >fluke, included our superhero Sunil Gavaskar. :-)
|> >
|> >>>India proved it was not
|> >>>by winning the 1985 Mini World Cup by defeating all its opponents.
|> >
|> >           Sunil Gavaskar Esquire labelled that as "FLUKE 2".
|> >
|> what's your source for these quotes? in none of the interviews after the
|> "mini" WC did sunny say it was a fluke. in fact india followed this series
|> with another 3 victories in the rothmans(?) cup in sharjah. you can't win
|> 8 or 9 ODI's in a row by fluke.



Actually, Gavaskar said something like, "Yeah, WC-83 was fluke one, World
Series cup-85 fluke two, victories in Sharjah are flukes three, four and 
five." Of course, this is a paraphrasing of what he actually said. If read
properly, one would realize that it is loaded with sarcasm!
 
So, Salman, you interpreted "our super hero" wrongly!

Cheers, Chandra.


     
|> >           Sir, you have got your facts wrong, for India did not beat at
|> >least 3 teams that it never played. :-)
|> >
|> however, india beat every team it played comprehensively, something that no
|> other WC winning team has done- even the WI of 75 and 79 had 2-3 close matches.
|> 
|> Stay cool,
|> The Thinker
|> 
|> Cogito ergo potum                               I think therefore I drink

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From: theagarajan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: STRANGE COMBINATIONS !!!
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:37:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


After reading the about the strange combination of Kumble and Kambli, I
recollect a few strange combinations.

During the Indian tour by England in 1977-78, under Tony Graig's captaincy,
in the Bangalore test, Madanlal was out caught by Allan Knott and the bowler
was Chris Old.The score card read

      Madanlal caught (Allan) Knott, bowled (Chris) Old.

You can see how it rhymes.

Then, in Australia, I'm not sure about the year, but it is in the early
80's.In a test match against England, LILLIE was out caught by (PETER)
WILLEY, at GULLY, bowled by (GRAHAM) DILLEY. 
That was a great combination!!!


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From: insiddi@eos.ncsu.edu (INTESAB NASEER SIDDIQUI)
Subject: Useful info
Followup-To: Nothing 
Originator: insiddi@c00058-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: insiddi@eos.ncsu.edu (INTESAB NASEER SIDDIQUI)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:31:05 GMT



I just wanted to say something about Sharjah and the CBFS. I would like to
help in clarifing a few things as some people requested me to do so.
   Firstly, tournaments take place in Sharjah usually twice a year. The first
is during the months of October and November. The second tournament takes place
during the month of April and May.
  Secondly, the CBFS arranges tournaments after looking into certain factors,
the most important of which is the availibility of teams. But even if less
teams come this wwould not make a big impact to the CBFS. Ticket sales
generate only 5-7%  of the total revenue. The major money comes in from the
sponsors and the advertisements. A good example is that 90% of the pages of the 
tournament guide are filled with advertisements. Also the stadium is surrounded
with advertisement board each of them cost no less than $3000.
   Thirdly, it is wrong to say that the CBFS aims at only Pakistani or Indian
cricketers. It is true that origanally the CBFS favoured Indians and Pakistani
benificeries. This was due to two reasons. First was that the CBFS is majorly
composed of Indin and Pakistani people, all of whom have a near personal
relationship with many subcontinental cricketers. Asif Iqbal knows nearly the
whole BCCP. Rum Buxani has very close contacts with BCCI. So, who do you think
that the CBFS will chose as its benificeries. Second  in the earlier CBFS 
tournaments, the teams that played were basically  composed of Indian and 
Pakistani cricketers.
     At first no one noticed this trend to keep subcontinental benificeries, but
slowly a small debate started up when other teams played the benificeries
were still Desi's. When I talked to Asif Iqbal about it, he told me that BCCI
and BCCP were more important to the CBFS success than TCCB or the WICB. The
major reason was that in the UAE the subcontinentals outnumber the other 
cultures and races by 3 to 1.
   But now it seems that everything is going to normal. The CBFS has started
 having non-Desi benifeceries.

                            Yours sincerely
                            Intesab Siddiqui


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:04:21 -0400 
From: Shrisha Rao <sr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Some stats re the Indian team to tour SA/Zim
	<1992Oct11.215234.16265@uceng.UC.EDU>
	<GANESH.92Oct12094921@karp.albany.edu>

I can add a couple more to the list of Kapil's hundreds:

5. 109 vs. WI in Madras in 1988 (India won thanks to Hirwani's 16-136 debut)
6. 110 vs. England in 1990 (I do't remember where, but Shastri made 187
in that innings, and India declared at 606/9)

Also, Kapil's score at Kanpur against SL was 163, and not 156*. The
other centurion for India was man-of-the-match Sunil Gavaskar, who made
176.

Shrisha Rao
sr3u@andrew.cmu.edu
From: rehman@math.bu.edu (Naved Rehman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Sobers on batting
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:50:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Boston University, Boston
Originator: rehman@math.bu.edu


	is it true?
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Best batting, bowling, and fielding sides
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:59:18 GMT
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science

In article <Bw6M36.BA8@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan) writes:
|> In article <13OCT199212195349@zeus.tamu.edu> m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
|> >but what about the best batting, bowling, and fielding sides.
|> > 	The following are my opinions, and i believe are not very far from 
|> >reality.
|> >	BEST BATTING SIDE:
|> >	There is hardly any doubt that india has the best batting lineup
|> >atleast on paper and based on individual performances. SRT, Azhar, 
|> >manjrekar, and shastri in this order is the backbone of indian batting.
|> >	if india had a decent bowling lineup, it would be hard to imagine
|> >any side beating them in either OD or tests. Rest of the teams are
|> >kind of mixed. Englands batting is very strong on paper but their
|> >brittlity (or brittleness) was exposed squarely by pakistan. WI is
|> >in the same mold as england. Australia's batting has not been this 
|> >week for years. Pakistani batting is not at all storng on paper
|> >but they have delivered the goods. miandad and malik share the main
|> >responsiblity. Inzamam has been a failure in england, not counting
|> >his feats in the side games. 
|> >	
|> >	BEST BOWLING SIDE:
|> >	few teams may lay claim to be the  best in this dept., but 
|> >certainly pakistan has an edge, both in speed and spin. WI may come a close
|> >second and australia third. England is no where close, probably even 
|> >behind SA. NZ and india are more or less at the same level. dont know much
|> >about SL and ZIM.
|> >
|> >	BEST FIELDING SIDE:
|> >	As seen in WC, Australia is by far the best, followed by SA
|> >and england.
|> 
|> 		REALLY? What about New Zealand? As seen in WC

	I haven't got the original article yet, but this is amazing.
	Some chap posts an article saying that India have (without doubt)
	the best batting line up in the World, and the first response
	is defending NZ's fielding... 
		India toured Australia last year, and almost EVERY innings
	their top order collapsed, often to be rescued by the tail,
	often not. While I agree that Australian batting has been poor
	over that last few years, they haven't lost a test for some time.
	(India 4-0, SL 1-0 recent series).
	England and Pakistan appear to be two of the best teams in the
	world, and I would say Australia and WI are up there with them.
	Beyond that, I see a big gap.

	NZ?  Thrashed 2-0 by England in New Zealand in last test series.
	India? Thrashed 4-0 by Aust.
	SA? Haven't won a test in 20 years... :->
	SL? Lost 1-0 (Unlucky) to Australia, but haven't (yet) reached
		consistent top class test level.
	Zimbabwe? See SA.

	tom
From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: STRANGE COMBINATIONS !!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:04:23 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

during an english tour of SA (some 40-50) years ago, the SA batsman tufty mann
was dismissed by the english skipper a. e. mann (i think), and john arlott
spoke about "mann's" inhumanity to "mann".

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:27:23 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct12.144814.1021@news.columbia.edu>, pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
> In article <1992Oct10.144226.9394@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Then perhaps you'd like to explain why New Zealand, a "one bowler side",
> was one of the most consistently competitive teams in the world between
> 1978 and about 1985?  I agree with your point that the WIndies pace

Competitive because of whom?  Richard Hadlee.

> quartet(s) had to compete with each other for wickets, but I just don't
> buy the idea that Chatfield was such a mediocre bowler.  I'm not suggesting

I think you and I differ over what a mediocre bowler is.  Which other test side
could Chatfield have played for?  Certainly not Australia, nor England, nor
Pakistan nor the WI, and he would have had a difficult time making the Indian
side (another one bowler side during that period).

> that Hadlee owes all his wickets to Chatfield, either.  Perhaps if we
> consider another duo - Lillee and Thomson - my case will be clearer.  I
> suspect that if Thommo had not been bowling opposite Lillee, then he

That's comparing chalk and cheese.  Thompson was just as feared as Lillee in
his heyday, and was a wicket taker and a nasty bowler.  As I type this I'm
rolling around in laughter at my teminal.  Thanks for the comic relief! 
Thompson/Lillee comp. to Hadlee/Chatfield..

> would not hold the place that is (rightfully, BTW) his in cricket history.
> I'm not trying to say that partnerships are all that matter, but it 
> doesn't pay to discount them, either.
> 
> Cheers, Paul
> 
> P.S. This is fun, isn't it?

McBean
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From: rpendse@velveeta.mfg.hou.compaq.com (Raju Pendse)
Subject: Cricket teams in Austin, TX
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:58:58 GMT

Could some one in Austin let me know what the cricket scene there is in terms of teams, is there a league, etc. Please post on the net or else send me a mail.

Thanks in advance.

Raju Pendse
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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: WA V Vic MM Cup
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:19:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92286.121902SXK129
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct9.220143.21079@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) says:
>
>The first game of the MM cup was played last night in Perth, heres the
>scorecard:
>Vic won toss and batted
>Phillips    22
>Nobes       25
>Jones       22
>Lehmann     37
>Ayres       17
>O'Donnell    0
>Maxwell      0
>Dodemaide    0
>Reiffel      0
>Hughes       0
>Berry        0*
>Extras       9
>All out    132 in 42.3 overs

what the hell happened here? a hat-trick or two? i've never seen a longer line
of 0's in a scorecard

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: j_graham@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:41:58 EDT

In article <1992Oct5.011929.20075@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, ccjwm@marlin.jcu.edu.au (John Miller) writes:
> In article <1ahjpbINN3qb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rxk23@po.CWRU.Edu (Rohit Kashyap) writes:
> 
>> Discussions deleted with the resultant team looking like the left hand 
>> column below.
> 
> Look what happens when I pick a hypothetical 2nd World eleven from those
> left over.
> 
> 1st team (Others' choices)		2nd team (my choices)
> --------------------------		---------------------
> 
>  1.Gavaskar				 1.Haynes
>  2.Greenidge				 2.Gooch
>  3.Richards			 	 3.Zaheer
>  4.Miandad				 4.Greg Chappell
>  5.Border				 5.Gower
>  6.Kapil Dev				 6.Clive Lloyd (Capt.)
>  7.Imran Khan (Capt.)			 7.Botham
>  8.Dujon				 8.Rod Marsh
>  9.Hadlee				 9.Garner
> 10.Malcolm Marshall			10.Lillie
> 11.Qadir				11.Holding
> 
> 12.Maninder				12.Phil Edmonds
> 
> A test series between these two teams would be worth watching I'd 
> reckon.  I wouldn't been keen to put much money on either team
> even though the 2nd eleven contains a number of players getting
> towards the ends of their careers.  All were still potential
> man of the match winners in the early '80s.  If anything stands
> out, it is that the West Indies were definitely the team of the
> 80's, not that that was in doubt.
> 
> It's probably possible to pick a 3rd eleven as well which would
> be hard to beat.  Yep these little exercises a fun but like 
> comparing Bradman to Gavaskar are pretty futile.  I guess we all 
> know that by now without me saying so.
> 
> Anyone want to try for a third with the bodies left out of these
> two World teams of the '80s?
> 
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I would put mine money on the second eleven team. On a fast wicket the
first eleven would run right through that batting lineup. The wicket I
had in mind was Kensington Oval Barbados.

Bajan on the net.