HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What Do YOU Think.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:39:11 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist) writes:

> 
> 	A simple question....
> 
> 	I was wondering for what reasons do people take drugs?
> 
> 	There are Seigel's and Weil's ideas that drug-taking
> 	is just another behavior that alters consciousness,
> 	which is an innate desire.
> 
> 	Some believe people take drugs to self-medicate for 
> 	depression, anxiety, or pain.
> 
> 	I've also heard that drug-taking is just another risk-
> 	taking behavior which is an indicator of some underlying
> 	psychological problem.
> 
> 	I'm sure there are others...  What do YOU think?
> 
> 
> 
> Trevor C. Cederquist
> tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

        All of the above.

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Bob's death
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.151701.25970@hubcap.clemson.edu>, mbcamps@hubcap.clemson.edu (Matt Campbell) writes:
>It doesn't seem ABSOLOUTELY INCREDIBLE that Bob just happened to injure
>a toe THAT WOULDN'T HEAL (?!?!) ... PLAYING SOCCER (?!?!) ... and just
>HAPPENED TO HAVE CANCER OF THE FOOT (what the HELL is that!??!) all at the
>same time?   Something is fishy.  I'm not saying anyone's wrong, but this
>is ridiculous!

OK, how's this for a plausible theory?:

Bob (Marley, not Cain) gets foot cancer.  His foot gets a bump, but he
doesn't notice.

Then one day, he's playing soccer.  He kicks the ball.  <SPLAT!>  The growth
breaks into a hundred pieces.  The skin breaks open.  Bob thinks it was all
caused by the injury and that it will heal.

Of course, the hundred pieces grow and spread through his bloodstream to all
kinds of places in his body.  Some months/years later, he dies.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my corrected PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dgidez@netcom.com (Daniel Gidez)
Subject: What is Hydrocodone called in Mexico
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:56:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: Vicodin, Lortab

My father has returned to mexico after being treated for cancer.
Up here he was taking Vicodin and Lortab 7 the chemical name is
Vicod Im sorry Hydrocodone Bitartate 5mg. 

Eventually hell be taking morphine but until then he will need this,
does anyone know what Hydrocodone is named in Mexico, he asked his doctor 
who gave him percodan compuesto (oxycodone HCI) but he doesnt need anything
that strong yet. The physician down there had "never heard of it" but yet 
prescribed a stronger drug [the tactic of discouraging a drug by claiming
ignorance is common however since he got stronger medication I assume this
isnt the case]

If someone knows what this stuff is called by its brand name, please 
send me Email, the info would solve a problem which in turn becomes mine 
if he decides he needs to live in the US (help me save my sanity and money
not to mention the cats) -- Regards
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD vs shrooms
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:38:39 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <9207230248.AA05345@wissel.stern.nyu.edu>, jmctigue@WISSEL.STERN.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue) writes:
> 
> My question:  What sort of experiences have people had with LSD vs shrooms?
> 
> I have had LSD three times, and shrooms once.  For me, Acid was very
> intensly visual and caused my mind to race with ideas ( = alot of fun),
> while shrooms were very mellow and mostly made me feel just a bit odd
> (didn't seem anything special).  However, the shrooms were the first time I
> had tripped, and it is also possible that I did not have enough.  The
> quantitiy I ingested was "half an eighth."
> Is this a proper amount?  Do people have different types of trips with
> different types of mushrooms?
> 
In my opinion, in appropriate doses of fresh mushrooms or paper
LSD, mushrooms have a better duration (20 mins onset, 3-4 hour
peak, 1-2 hour tail off, a few hours post-trip euphoria vs.
40 min onset, 4-5 hour peak, 3-8 hour tail off and post trip
exhaustion). mushrooms have much less physical stimulation, i.e.
one can feel totally comfortable and relaxed as well as completely
twisted. Fresh mushrooms of an appropriate species cause less
nausea or cramps than LSD. A good dose of mushrooms is at least
as profound intellectually, and possibly more confusing than
LSD. Thought is not hampered as much by the physical effects.
The visual effects of mushrooms are less in terms of undulations
and drips/curves, and more in terms of increased sharpness and
sparkiness. If anything, mushrooms are more visually oriented;
there is less visual distortion and more visual colour and shape
enhancement. Mushrooms tend to give a more comfortable and euphoric
trip, but probably not as good for music and dancing.

I expect to get a lot of flames for this.
These are all my subjective opinions.
 Your mileage may vary.
Your mushrooms may be different, e.g. less potent, more toxic,
etc. Using mushrooms contains an element of danger for the
inexperienced, in terms of positive identification and
dose estimation.
                
> 
> jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu or try jmctigue@sales.stern.nyu.edu

jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13842 sci.psychology:3361 talk.politics.drugs:5492
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:05:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
: In <1992Jul30.015235.25978@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
: >I'm not aware of anyone stopping you.  But the point here isn't
: >whether you personally have the time, money, interest, or talent to.
: >The point is either the results reproduce or they don't.
: 
: Since you STILL have not cited any hard data to refute the cites I
: gave that indicated that the results DO NOT reproduce for humans,
: I can only assume you are being evasive.  If you care to give citations,
: I will revise that assumption.

I think he is arguing from blind faith. As such, no argument or evidence
is going to change his mind. 

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:23:45 GMT

In article <lamontg.711867836@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>jmctigue@WISSEL.STERN.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue) writes:
>>Some thoughts about visual after affects:
>>Some friends of mine who have done a lot of LSD say that they now have a
>>few different visual affects as a result.  They include seeing floaters
>>(look like single sell transparent thingies floating down your field of
>>vision) ....

Certainly floaters have little to do with LSD - they are blood vessels
or other crud floating around in your cornea.  I see them whenever I
decide to pay attention.  They can be irritating.  My girlfriend had a
retina that was dangerously close to becoming detached and while she was
waiting for appointment for laser surgery they told her to call up the
doctor if she saw a sudden increase in the number of floaters.  Then she
became paranoid about floaters, naturally.  Then they zapped her
retina 50 times with a laser and she's fine now.  Detached retinas are
something to watch out for if you are nearsighted, because the shape of
the eye tends to cause 'em.  A good eye exam should catch incipient
detached retinas.  

As far as I can tell, "trails" are just part of the natural functioning
of the visual system that have for some reason become more noticeable or
long-lasting.  Note for example how when people draw a moving object in
a cartoon they naturally add "trails".   If you move your hand in front
of a white background and look at it you should be able to see trails.
At least I do.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives,talk.politics.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Leaving to visit the strychnine universe
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:27:09 GMT

Having recently acquired a sister-ship of the Gay Deciever, I am off to
investigate the strychnine universe for several months.  I hope to rejoin
you all, but naturally if I am discovered by the strychniners, they may
transmogrify my brain, or engage in similar nastiness.  If I return 
babbling about the hallucinogenic effects of strychnine, please do away
with me -- perhaps by using my living brain as a human experiment in the
neurotoxicity of MDMA research, so that my death will contribute something
to human pharmacological knowledge.

I hope to see you all again.



Seriously....  this is just getting to be too much for me lately.  I'm going
to unsubscribe to all these groups for a few months.  I'll still continue to
answer e-mail, post the FAQ, and maintain the FTP site.  You may even be
pleased to see some modifications to the FAQ and additions to the FTP site
now that I hopefully have some more time....

"I'll be back...."

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: ftp.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.222416.25405@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:
>
>In a previous article, RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) says:
>
>>"There is nothing new under the sun..."
>
>Every day is a new day.

But make sure you check the warranty.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin)
Subject: Re: What Do YOU Think.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:11:29 GMT

chrisb@wixer.cactus.org (Chris Blandy) writes:

>>	I was wondering for what reasons do people take drugs?
>>
	Obviously it varies. One answer would be like saying that all
drugs are bad : heroin, dope, sugar, and tomatoes. They're not.



>>	There are Seigel's and Weil's ideas that drug-taking
>>	is just another behavior that alters consciousness,
>>	which is an innate desire.
>>
	   ^^^^ why the 'just'? Is using mechanical means for mental 
stimulation very different than reading a book or listening to somebody
talk? Not if you believe that the means are just that, and that there is
a message being carried by the means. (Note; this applies only to\psychoactives.)



>>	Some believe people take drugs to self-medicate for
>>	depression, anxiety, or pain.
>>
	You mean opium, aspirin, prozac, etc, right?



>>	I've also heard that drug-taking is just another risk-
>>	taking behavior which is an indicator of some underlying
>>	psychological problem.
>>
	Better stay away from the stockmarket. Hell, why'we even leave the
primordial soup in the first place? Because gains often are considered to 
outweigh the risks. You'd rather take the risk of chemotherapy than outright
die, no?



>>	I'm sure there are others...  What do YOU think?
>>
>>
>>


>As far as I'm concerned, there are two distinct types of drug users, those
>who enjoy the mind-altering effects of drugs (the "buzz") and those who take
wrong. (or as wrong as opinions can be) I could never think of acid as a
'buzz'. I know many persons use it as a fuckup drug (goin to parties, mixing
with alchohol) but to me it is the third major psychological development in
one's existence (the others being birth, biological maturity, and death.)
To call that a buzz it like saying that you are the same as a barrel of
water and $5 of chemicals - quite a misconception.





	In short, my impression is that for non-medicinal (preventive or
curative) use there is 'recreational' (getting fucked-up, even if only 
lightly) use, and there is philosophical/psychological/spiritual use. 



  
                           and gold is king,
                                  long live death

		        	deadwolfkeiner

	                      deadwolf@uiuc.edu
	    	University of Illinois @ Cham/bana Illinois

			(A Meta-Theoretical Odinist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Home production of Methanphetamines
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:36:16 GMT

OK, so there have been a few articles lately that state fairly
authoritatively that the substance produced by these procedures is not
methamphetamine.  Given that, I have these questions:

- Is that product, shall we say, "useful" anyway, even though it's not meth?

- Just how is real methamphetamine produced, anyway, and by whom?  I'm
  no chemist, and I wouldn't know where to get the ingredients (like
  LiAlH4, whatever the hell *that* is!) in the first place, but just what
  *is* the process?

thx
gak
107/H/3&4
From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Home Appliances which get you...
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:09:57 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


	I trying to put together a list of home products which
a person can get high off of.  I will start the list with a couple
of my favorites, but would really appreaciate if others would add
theirs too.  Thanks.

Product			Usesage			Comments
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robotussin DM		drink 4/8/12 oz		like PCP and Heroin
Scotch Guard 3m		inhale deeply		like NO3 - be sure to
						get the right kind!
Nutmeg			Smoke until happy	headache possible
Nutmeg			drink a match box	hallucinations likely
			amount in water	
Banana Peels		Smoke dried until :)	headache possible

	Feel free to add your own...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
From: matt@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Matt Tidgewell)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:14:15 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <62771@cup.portal.com> Malfera@cup.portal.com (Dan M Healy) writes:

>The best one i've heard is 'If you take x number of hits of LSD you
>can get arested for trying to overthrow the government'

>Now this sounds totaly insane to me (maybe that's why i like it so
>much)...I don't suppose theres any truth to it?   :)





>                                       Malfera@cup.portal.com
I love this one.  Did you here at a Dead Show?  Are you that Dan Healy?

		Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:18:33 GMT

In <1992Jul30.163742.20916@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Pete Hartman writes:
>> Your summary has no content without citations to back it up
>You prefer reports of data to data itself?

You gave no source for any data to support your assertion about
addiction, except "you can do the experiments yourself", which
is specious.

>> You have asserted that cocaine is addictive in humans
>Once again (how many times?  I've lost count) you're differing
>with something I never said.  Read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote.  Let me remind you:


>Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
>From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
>Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
>Message-ID: <1992Jul29.042409.26527@pony.Ingres.COM>
>Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
>References: <1992Jul26.071827.11517@bradley.bradley.edu> <f!lmx6p.rcain@netcom.com> <1992Jul27.160010.7599@bradley.bradley.edu> <1992Jul29.004255.7398@pony.Ingres.COM> <1992Jul29.031718.16420@bradley.bradley.edu>
>Distribution: usa
>Date: 29 Jul 92 04:24:09 GMT
>Lines: 21
>
>
>I wrote:
>> There is a class of substances whose mere exposure leads to addiction.
>
>David Vessell inquires:
>> so WHAT IS IT
>
>Pretty much what you'd guess.  For example, cocaine.  Surprise.
>
>There's also an interesting subclass: substances that the organism
>self administers.  This subclass is also pretty much what you'd guess,
>e.g. cocaine also makes this list.  Anyone surprised?
>
>The complement to this subclass is also interesting: substances whose
>exposure leads to addiction but the organism doesn't self administer.
>
>All relevant to evaluating potential for abuse.
>
>-- Jon
>--
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  

Now, if you use "for example, cocaine", then you are saying that
cocaine is one example of "a class of substances whose mere exposure
leads to addiction".

To claim that you didn't mean that will simply show your dishonesty--it
is abundantly clear that you did mean that, and if you like I can dig
up at least one other posting where you said effectively the same thing.


You have presented no data that refutes my cites that indicate that
cocaine is NOT addictive (much less any data or references at all),
and your responses seem to mostly consist of "I didn't say that" when
indeed you did.

So--are we going to see references to support the things you've said
or are you going to continue denying everything?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                That's right, remember there is a big difference
                   between kneeling down and bending over...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: smith-jeff@CS.YALE.EDU (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Ketamine et al.
Keywords: ketamine 
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:22:31 GMT

All the discussion going on recently about ketamine and its
use/uselessness at raves has made me curious about your experiences
with other "induction drugs" (drugs that are *medically* used to help
a patient with the transition into general anesthetic), such as
thiopental, etomidate, midazolam, methohexital and inhaled halothane.

Has anyone used any of these? They are all available without a
DEA liscence, but how easy are they to obtain?  Cost? Etc.


Smitty.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: armtrout@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Armantrout)
Subject: Stoner's Dozen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:36:31 GMT

A baker's dozen is thirteen; would anyone disagree that a stoner's dozen
would be eleven?


"Hey, there's only eleven of these in here. I told you to get a dozen!"

"that is a dozen, man."

"No, look. There are only eleven in here."

"what? oh, sorry, man. i don't know. i, like, asked for twelve, i think ...
 i musta ate one ... or lost one ... or ... somethin'. like, sorry, man."
-- 
Mark Armantrout, Clever Person of Non-Color	grep | Ceci n'est pas une pipe
armtrout@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 	       I will explain my sarcasm to you - ask.
NeXTmail to armtrout@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu		CATHODE CATHOUSE lives
Start Seeing Motorcycles				   Lucky Strikes Again
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ah589@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Troy Blum)
Subject: Canned shrooms?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:52:37 GMT


As many of you know, Psilocybe mushrooms lose much of their potency when
dried. Does anybody know whether canning the mushrooms would preserve more
of the psilocybin and psilocin? 
--
From: erb@world.std.com (ed r baker)
Subject: Liver Function Test
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:54:46 GMT


Does anyone know how "they" do a liver function test?  I'm concerned that
my years of drinking may have damaged my liver enough for me to consider
cutting down.  Just wondering.

-Ed

Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:31:26 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Instant addiction (was Re: Partial Legalization)

> There are no drugs which can cause physical addiction from one or
> two, or even several uses.

I remember gradeschool brainwashing telling about how Heroine will most likely
make you physically addicted as soon as you take it once.  Is this, in fact,
brainwashing, or is Heroine that addictive (physically)?

I've also heard that they first started making heroin (sory for the misspelling
above or here... they can't both be right) to help morphine addicts quit their
addiction, but it turned out that hero... is even more addictive than morphine.
(is it true, or was I just a gullible little kid...)

-me
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice)
Subject: Re: WANTED:CANNABUS Seeds
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.205615.14486@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>Note that the person you are lambasting is posting from Europe and stated
>he lived in the Netherlands.  His posting site is "tu-berlin.de".  He is
>not from the US and could care less what the NSA and FBI think.  Of course,

I remember hearing while I was in the Netherlands that having dope
isn't illegal but cultivating dope is.
If your 'farm' gets busted the police will take away your equipment
but will probably leave the drugs.
(For this reason hydroponic kit are very hard to come by)

Any truth to this hearsay.

Matthew
From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: X and heart murmurs
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:13:54 GMT
Reply-To: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei


Hi all.  I checked in the FAQ for this, and didn't find anything, so
I'm asking here...

My boyfriend and I are thinking about trying X (or E, as it seems to be
more commonly known recently).  Actually, we've been thinking for a
while now, but we haven't come across any from a reliable source.  Then
again, we haven't been trying very hard in the first place.  But
anyway.

My boyfriend has a heart murmur.  He has done LSD and Marijuana with no
problems, and he bicycle raced for a couple years, also with no problems.
Both of us, however, have heard rumors about heart racing and other
such frightening things with X, and we're worried about its possible 
effects on him.

Does anyone know about difficulties with heart murmurs and X?  Is is
too dangerous for him to take it, or are the rumors totally unfounded?

--
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay		                    lemay@sun.com
Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
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