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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:22:02 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug12.171839.3364@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:
> Well, I'll ask you this question again.  What "functionality" does
> OS/2 2.0 provide that is not present in AmigaDOS?  I already know
> about VM and MP but what else is present?  Does it perhaps support
> multiple users like Unix, or multiple processors?  Please back up claims
> such as "faster" file systems with objective comparisons.
>

You can drag OS/2 windows partially offscreen.  Something sorely missing
on the Amiga!  OS/2 supports TCP/IP/NFS networking built-in.  OS/2 fills
a disk requester faster than Amiga OS because of the more efficient file
system.  OS/2 runs OS/2, DOS, and Windows Apps.  OS/2 has an extensive and
wonderfully implemented on-line help system - the manuals that come with
it are few and thin and you learn everything else via the on-line tutorial
and help.  OS/2 has DIG (you forgot to mention this :)

OS/2 comes on 15 1.4M diskettes instead of 5 88K floppies (OS 2.04) and
includes 20+ ready to use applications - term programs, note pads,
spreadsheet, word processor, games, etc.

OS/2 also has a better workbench paradigm - but you have to use it to
understand why.  In many ways it is similar to Amiga workbench.  But
it is improved.  (This is subjective/opinion).

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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:55:39 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug17.100457.12599@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>The largest problem was that you could switch the 6502-alike into 2MHz mode
>which effectively disabled the 40 column display. 

That happened if the program wrote beyond the standard C64 VIC address space.
That was an easy one to catch on the logic analyzer, so we always knew when it
was being done.

>Some programs also had problems with the additional keys or the character set.

That's not true.  The additional keys could only be strobed via the VIC chip's
extra lines, they had no effect in C64 mode.  It is true that some programs
didn't get along with software hacks people came up with to enable the
extra C128 keys in C64 mode, but what do you expect, that's why they were
disabled in the first place.  In C64 mode, the C128 used exactly the same
character set as in the C64 -- the improved character set was banked in for
C128 mode only.

-- 
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   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:04:49 GMT

In <1992Aug16.112201.10487@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>on mid-range machines.  I have to ask how on earth PC video cards manage
>to achieve such high resolutions so cheaply?  How do they get the
>bandwidth?  Surely they can't all use VRAMS?

The slow cards use conventional RAMs, some of them have small (2-4 byte)
FIFOs to buffer data to use all remaining bandwidth for write accesses
(reads are usually slower on these cards).
The fast cards use VRAMs.

Regards,
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Cheer Up
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:03:22 GMT

>>...and SimEarth isn't even available for the Amiga as far as I know.
>
>Bzzt. It is available, and having had the opportunity to compare the Amiga
>version to the PC edition, I would say that it is graphically superior and
>more fully integrates itself with the native OS. Boredom is a state of
>mind.

	Which version did you look at.  I've seen the Windows version and at
  1024x768 it looks pretty nice, along with being fast.

							G.Greene


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> = DCSS, McMaster University               rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca = 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:26:08 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <34313@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> In article <mykes.0cnz@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >more?  CBM told EA in 1985 that the A1000 would have a price tag of $1000.
>
> >So, EA jumps on the bandwagon and pumped big money into Amiga product and
> >advertising.  Then the A1000 comes out at a price of > $2K.
>
> Actually, I believe it cost $1295 for the base 256K unit.  Sure, you could
> add the 256K memory, the external disc drive, and the monitor (which
> is what I expect you did) but that doesn't make the A1000 cost > $2K.
>

I paid $2250 for my first A1000.  You are telling me that the monitor,
256K and disk drive cost $1K?

> (interestingly enough, the Writable Control Store was the major cost item
>  that made the inital price higher than the target price)
>
> >Wonder why EA doesn't stand behind the Amiga anymore?
>
> Yes.  So I asked.  (I asked Mike Kawahara, to be exact).  His answer had nothing
> to do with price of the A1000.  You should ask either Mike or Trip
> sometime yourself.
>

I asked Tim Mott.  You can ask Mike K who Tim was to EA.  You don't offer any
reasons why you think EA stopped supporting the Amiga...  I mean by not
advertising, commisioning many new works, etc.

> >CBM did the same thing with
> >CDTV - promised an entry price of $700.  The machine sold for > $1K and
> >was missing features (HW compression/decompression) that were promised.
>
> I'll have to look up the initial CDTV price.  (don't have it here) but I
> thought it was less than 1K.  (maybe only $1 less, though)
>

Again, Tim Mott is my source for this.  I BEGGED him to let me do CDTV for
EA :)

>
> >Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>
> 		andy
> --
> andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy
>
> "The good news is that there is a program for the PC that converts between
>  300 different graphics file formats.  The bad news is that it's needed."
>
> Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
> I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke, Vistapro, and NPR
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:27:49 GMT

>> 	Virtual Reality just sent me a product sheet about Vista Pro for
>>      MS-DOS.  I was thinking about getting it for my 486.  What does the
>>      Amiga version have that the MS-DOS version doesn't?
>
>Fewer colors or fatter pixels.

	Wow, the Amiga version must be something then.  The PC screen shots
    I saw were incredible at 1024x768.

							G.Greene

>
>Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
>Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:04:25 GMT

In <1992Aug16.162748.25000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>Yes, FP is a factor, but the last I read, 486-33 has about the same FP as the
>040-25.

I can assure you. That is definitely NOT the case.

Regards,
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From: dleland@nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: IBM486 vs Amiga040 
Organization: NMSU
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:33:23 GMT

I was interested in the post asking about speed comparisons. I would ask;
according to what standard is one faster than the other? If you had both
machines running at 25mhz, then which would be faster? In terms of
MIPS, Megaflops, Dhrystones, etc.? 
Darrell Leland                              //
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:55:18 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <34400@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> In article <ALANB.92Aug12152530@chipmunk.sdl.mdcbbs.com> alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins) writes:
> >>>>>> On 11 Aug 92 10:00:16 GMT, jpotter@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Jonathan Potter) said:
>
> >> Not that stupid. 68020s are very cheap these days, much cheaper than 68030s,
> >> and they are much faster than a 68000.
>
> >When I (probably foolishly) suggested the A600 would have had a 68010 if we
> >were about to see VM, Dave Haynie said any new Amiga would use a 68030.
>
> Any VM-capable Amiga would use an '030 or '040.  The 68010 is VM capable, but it
> alone isn't sufficient for any DPVM scheme, you still need an MMU.  The cost of
> 68010 or 68020 plus any reasonable MMU device is more than the cost of a 68030.
> A 68010 doesn't buy you anything else, and I believe it's no longer supported
> by Motorola for new designs.  An '020 would make sense in a faster A500/A600
> class machine.  A real (eg, full 32-bit) '020 system would be faster than the
> silly 16-bit '030 Mac or '386SX systems at most things.

Build it and they will come! :)  While you're at it, a laptop would come in
handy.  And is there some way to keep those dang 8520s from blowing all the
time?

> --
> Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
>    {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
> 	"Work like a horse, drink like a fish"	- Psychefunkapus
>

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.180205.1@acad2.alaska.edu> astlc@acad2.alaska.edu (Tom Claydon) writes:
>
> Oh brother. The old addage "computer software would be cheaper if there
>were no software pirates" is pure bunk. Take a look at the home video game
>market. There is NO piracy on these systems, yet $40 to $50 (or more)
>cartridges are not uncommon.

Aye, $65 for SNES Chessmaster...good grief! I wonder if this cart is
comparable to Chessmaster 3000 for PCs.  Anyone know?

>Tom Claydon, Electronics Tech.
>University of Alaska Anchorage
>BITNET: astlc@alaska.bitnet
>INTERNET: astlc@acad2.alaska.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:33:54 EST
 <1992Aug10.125106.5609@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> <1992Aug10.155434.7713@gbrmpa.gov.au> <10667547.40.713672898@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <10667547.40.713672898@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.155434.7713@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>>HAM is a joke, fringing is a joke, interlace video is for the minority,
>>wake up Commodore.
> 
> 
>>No. My point is that these resolutions ARE available NOW and have been for
>>PC's for ages, and at a good price. Nobody considers the Amiga to be a 
>>graphics machine anymore, C= is the only one who can change that.
>
	Whats this ages?  I believe the Amiga as has maximun resolution 
	of 640 x 400 and 16 colors out of 4096 (interlaced) since it 
	came out.  This is roughly equivalent to EGA / VGA.  Now, how 
	many 'ages' has PC clone systems had VGA?  Also isn't VGA 16 
	colors out of 256 non-interlaced; 640 x 480?
 
>>
>>>There's more to comparing video modes than static resolutions and colours.
>>
>>Try telling that to a top exective giving a slideshow presentation.
> 
> 
>>Gee, I sure hit a bad nerve with you this time, what's wrong David, feeling
>>a little left out with lack of resolution/colours when we go home our
>>Amiga are we?

	Oh we Amiga users cry every night because we know in are heart of
	hearts that PC Clowns are the bestest computer *ever* made and 
	Bill Gates is God and can turn sand into silicon with a wave of his
	hand.

> Have a look at GVP's EGS --> 68030/68040 powered 24bit graphics card.
> 24bit animation at 100fps...  Should beat anything on the (I) (B)ought a 
> (M)istake platform.
> 
>>Matt Crowd - Systems Support - GBRMPA
> 
> 
> -Jif
> 
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: OS/2
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.092622.10025@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.132522.20628@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber) writes:
>>chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>>Consider going up to the average "JOE" what's an AMIGA?  Now what's OS/2?
>>>The probability of people knowing OS/2 is probably more likely than AMIGA.
>>>Perhaps its because the PC's markets and users are vast?  Just a thought.
>>
>>If you ask the average "JOE" what operating system his computer uses,
>>he'd probably answer "Wordperfect".
>
I guess I did give the average "JOE" or "JANE" more
than average, oh well, it reminds me of a story that I heard.
It goes like this:  A lady in the lab wanted to transfer her data
from a 5 1/4" disk to a SPARC station which had a 3.5" floppy drive.
What she did was folded the 5 1/4" disk and stuffed the disk into
the drive.  Well that was the end of her data on the disk and possibly
the drive as well(don't know what happened to the drive if it was ok or not).
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:49:59 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug18.231843.10914@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>	Well Dave, I'm running OS2 with an IDE HD and I just don't see this
>   huge slowdown that everyone talks about.

Are you still using OS/2 like it was MS-DOS or Windows?  If I just sit down
at my A3000 and run a compile or several non-CPU-intensive, basically
interactive applications, I'm probably not going to see much difference
between the A3000 and an A2500/30 or even an A2500-class system with a 
PIO hard disk (eg, basically what IDE gives you).  However, I seldom do that.
If you can, for example, compile several files at once and you find they
take only about as long as a single compile, then you're starting to see the
advantage of a good disk interface.  Consequently, if you can't do this, you
are seeing the disadvantage of a mediocre or bad disk interface.  Classic
UNIX gets such a benefit just due to swapping efficiencies, which is one
main reason you'll find a disk interface something like that of the A3000's
on virtually every workstation out there.  OS/2 is more than likely pretty
RAM efficient, at least compared to older UNIXs (eg, it makes heavy use of
shared libraries like AmigaOS does, something modern UNIX also does).  So
you may not thrash.  If you thrash on an IDE system, you'll know it.

Ultimately, performance is a subjective thing.  If your current system is
faster than what you're used to, it's fast.  If it's slower than what you're
used to, it's slow.  A performance monitor may tell you there's only 30% of
the CPU available during disk transfers, but if you're doing things serially
or not pushing CPU or disk activity, you'll never notice.  If you get used
to taking advantage of a faster system and go back, you will notice.

-- 
Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
	"Work like a horse, drink like a fish"	- Psychefunkapus
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: aa chip set
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:43:21 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

GJ>Everyone is up in arms about this supposed new chip set from C=.  I have
GJ>no idea whether all of this felgercarb (BS) is really true.  However, if
GJ>it is indeed true, then I have a question:

GJ>     Will the new chipset be available for the Amiga 500 and 2000/2500 models,
GJ>     or will Commo keep with its "tradition" and screw owners of those
GJ>     machines just like they did owners of the A1000??

 Best to wait for the chips to be released. We don't even know if the chips
are for real! It's probably more then likely that the chips will fit in
older model Amigas. Even if they can't fit, There will probably be upgrades
or 3rd praty solutions!
 
 As for Commodore screwing owners. First people bitch that they don't release
a new machine and when they do, they bitch that they can't use their old
machine! Commodore has offered upgrades for A1000 owners. They have tried
to keep things as compatible as possible. In fact they have tried to remain
so compatible, it took them this long to figure out the AA chipset. Have 
you ever seen what Apple or IBM do when they release a new system. They say,
this system is better the old one is gone! That's it very little upgrades
come from these two companies. 
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From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:55:31 GMT
 <AHANSFOR.92Aug17235152@coal.wpi.edu>,<1992Aug18.181748.4995@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Aug18.181748.4995@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, gfm@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>In article <AHANSFOR.92Aug17235152@coal.wpi.edu> ahansfor@coal.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
> daveh>  An '020 would make sense in a faster A500/A600 class machine.
> daveh> A real (eg, full 32-bit) '020 system would be faster than the
> daveh> silly 16-bit '030 Mac or '386SX systems at most things.
>
>Andrew> But why not an EC030 so as to keep the Amiga's busses as similar as
>
>	Probably because the original article was talking about using
>Virtual Memory.  Commodore MUST be planning on making this a part of 
>the Operating System someday (even if not for 3.0, etc) so it would make
>sense to release new systems with MMUs, something the EC's don't have
>(or, if they have them, are untested and disabled)

    Well, in that scenario a 68020 based system would not be the best choice in
terms of performance.  The 68851 PMMU which can be used with the 68020 is
not idea in terms of performance measurement today.  It forces a wait state
for memory accesses even when a table lookup hits the ATC.  Of course this
is workable, and overall it would be a better option than some type of
68010/external MMU arrangement, but for MMU applications the 68030 does have
a performance advantage.  I haven't looked at the cost figures for a full
blown 68020/68851 system vs. a 68030 setup in a while, so I can't make comment
on that aspect to its feasiblity (All of this assumes that the main reason for
this is for virtual memory applications.  In terms of other performance factors,
for a mid-end machine the 68020 is indeed a worthwhile contender if not 
crippled by a 16-bit bus).

                  ----------------------------------------
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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:55:36 GMT

In article <fzfy#x-@rpi.edu> pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli) writes:
>In article <338@mbunix.adsp.sub.org> mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer) writes:
>>
>>... Amigas have a higer fun-factor than any ATARIs...
>>
>   And, from what I've seen, more woofing asshole users per computer sold
>than any other manufacturer.
>

	Come on! Leave Marc Barrett out of this...



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 	PPPP  EEEEE RRRR   OOO  TTTTT    IIIII N   N      999  2222
	P   P E     R   R O   O   T        I   NN  N     9   9     2
	PPPP  EEEE  RRRR  O   O   T        I   N N N      9999  222
 	P     E     R R   O   O   T        I   N  NN         9 2
 	P     EEEEE R  R   OOO    T      IIIII N   N     9999  22222
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