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From: svanegmo@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Re: Def Lepard Cursed?
Replies-To: gjhurlbut@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:15:05 GMT

WRT to Bon Jovi...

I'm sorry, but Bon Jovi is quite a good singer.  He obviously does not depend on his hair as he just got it cut to his shoulders.  My hair is longer than his.  The fact is, superstitions aside, Bon Jovi writes and performs some really good music.  In fact, I would say that in Secular Hard Rock, he would be one of the best, and most popular, performers.  I enjoy his music.  I take great caution whenever I listen to secular music, as I was extremely trapped in some crappy stuff before, but Bon Jovi has alway




s been enjoyable.

Maybe it is only my old nature...

Gavin Hurlbut
gjhurlbut@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Backmasking  Was: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Keywords: backmasking
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:26:13 GMT

Since we're on the subject, has anyone sampled and reversed the beginning
of 'Still Life' by Iron Maiden?

e-mail me if you have.


Topher
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mike@boulder.wrc.unr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Lisa Bevill
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: mike@boulder.wrc.unr.edu ()
Organization: Desert Research Institute, Las Vegas, NV




Have any of you listened to Lisa Bevill's "My Freedom"?  My daughter received it for
Christmas and it's an excellent album for teenage girls or any girl/woman/man that is
dating and facing the temptations and pressures of being young and single..  She has songs 
about the Lord being her chaperone on a date, not allowing a man
to pressure her into sex, her freedom being found in Christ rather than the material
things of the world, being there for a friend who's having a difficult time, etc.  It's a
fun album that would be enjoyed by teenagers since there is rap and dance (oops, and I
call myself a Christian!) type music.  I usually don't listen to the music that my
daughter listens too since I'm not into rap and some of the contemporary stuff that kids
like, but I listened to this album to see what it was about, cause I'm a paranoid father,
and was very impressed.  I highly recommend it for teenage girls who want good, fun Christian 
music.  Dads - Go buy this album for your daughters.  I'd much rather my daughter have this album
than be tempted to listen to Madonna and some of the other music that teeneagers like. 
'Nuff said.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

> In article <1993Jan5.153253.840@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> >fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
> >> 
> >> According to Billboard Magazine's year-end list, here are 1992's 
> >> most popular CCM albums...
> >
> >wow. talk about out of the mainstream. i've never even -heard- any of
> >these.
> 
> Me either...

Well, I'm quite flatly amazed...or should I read a smiley here???

I perceived both of you to be very familiar with the gamut of CCM, including
the mainstream (even if you didn't like it). Buried in this list *are* some
darn good artists and some darn good songs. Or does the lead vocal have to 
sound like a cat caught in a KitchenAid to be "meaningful"?;-)

I often *make* myself listen to the local cheeso CCM station so that I can
at least have a clue about the state of the CCM world as a whole. And every
now and then I actually *buy* an album based on what I hear.

What does this 37-year-old ex-hippie buy? Well, on that list I bought both
Rich Mullins (say, he looks like an ex-hippie) and Susan Ashton albums. Even
confess to liking them. And don't expect me to listen to a word you say 
about the woeful state of CCM until you've listened to one of each!!! Get
busy!!! Remember, in the old hippie CCM days, most everyone was listening to
Malcolm and Alwyn and Honeytree!!!

And I don't post anything  + or - about "alternative" CCM because, quite
frankly, I've never listened to Skinny Puppy (though I've read reviews).

But I wonder how many times one can listen to 

  KARRRRRRANGabubalabubalawubawubawhEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...BAM!

without getting totally bored;-)

Bob (now how can I listen to SP without *buying* it) Miller
rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Album Review:  Out Of The Grey:  "The Shape Of Grace"
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:05:23 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This is Out Of The Grey's second album, again produced by Charlie Peacock,
released on Sparrow.  Out of the Grey is the husband and wife team of 
Christine (vocals) and Scott (guitar+vocals) Dente.  

The basic characteristics that made their first album so good are still here.
Deep and involved guitar harmonies, searching lyrics, and artistically
delivered vocals.  There is, however, more of a band sound to this album,
also Scott gets a solo vocal on a good chunk of one song. 

Those who have heard O.O. T. G perform live know that Scott does all the
band sounds with his guitar in live performance.  On this album that 
will be harder to do.

This is an album that fans of the group should not miss.  But it's lacking
something that the original did, maybe just the fact that it's not a 
new sound this time around.   Steve's rating:  three thistles.
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Breakfast With Amy--Love Gift
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:09:30 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        I finally got Breakfast With Amy "Love Gift."  I am afraid that I have
mixed feelings about it.  I mean, I like a good answering machine message as
much as the next guy, and I love the underlying madness and humor in much of
what they do, but this time out, the sillyness started to feel like filler in
spots to me.
        I think parts of this record are real winners (Fassion Gal, Happy Song,
others), but if you took out all of the phone messages, musical interludes
("song of the humpbacked whale," and the accordion thing), barely audible toss
offs (Ed Loves Texas) and songs that are on other albums (three come to mind),
is there really enough material to justify making annother record.  Sure, the
folks in the band have been buisy since Dad, but I feel that I paid for a bit
of filler, along with the brilliant madness, this time.
        By the way, wouldn't a complete live Amy album be just plain neeto!
From: gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:12:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

>>
>>yep, a genuinely musical question.
>>My wife had the local radio station on - the one for middle-aged white men
>>(why SHE likes it, I don't know), and they had a program on the music of
>>the Eagles. I've liked some of their songs, but I always got a bit of a
>>creepy feeling when I hear "hotel california." now, i'm not one always 
>>looking for demons, but is this song demonic in some way? I asked this to
>>a friend and he mentioned something about Anton LeVay. Who's that? 
>>Any opinions on "Hotel California"?
>
>
>Well, here's my $0.02.  I've heard that H.C. was evil for a long time, 
>primarily from those 'evil beat' type videos.  The evidence is that 
>
>1)  Anton LeVay, reknowned Satanist (maybe founder of the 'religion'?), 
>	or a reasonable facsimilie (sp?) thereof, is standing in the
>	window of the hotel on the album cover.
>
>2)  The year 1969 ('we haven't had that spirit here since 1969') was of
>	some importance to the Satanic church.  Perhaps the dedication of
>	the satanic church in San Francisco, or something like that.
>
>3)  'I could hear the mission bell'  The satanic church in S.F. is supposed
>	to be within earshot of a Christian mission hall or something.
>
>4)  'Just can't kill the beast,'  'You can check out any time you like
>	but you can never leave,'  other lyrics that can be taken in
>	a Satanic sense.
>
>I don't think there's any backmasking or anything of that sort.  It's basically
>an interpretive thing.
>
>I personally love the song, and i always took it as a metaphor for drug abuse
>(like Life in the Fast Lane).  I have no problem with it, though others 
>might.  Any comments, anyone?  
 
I, also, love the song and have no problem with it.  I've always assumed 
the song is about the late 60's California lifestyle (consistent with the 
latter interpretation mentioned, ie, metaphor for drug abuse).  The Eagles 
did alot of music with this theme.

I *do* detect an anti-church, anti-God them in some of Don Henley's
song's (eg, "The last resort" on the same CD and others on his solo
CD's).

>JRjr
>-- 
>'What did you say, what did you do, when they asked ya, who are you?
> Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
> you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
>#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
>----------

GregB
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From: bmoore@sunfish.austin.ibm.com (Bryan Moore)
Subject: Jon Gibson : Forever Friends
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:07:56 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

Jon Gibson : Forever Friends

Has anyone out there in rec.music.christian land listened to
this album? A friend of mine recommended it, and I would like
to hear some other reviews before I go out and buy it.

Thanks!

-Bryan
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From: haysdp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: SonShine '93
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:49:44 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Hey there gang,

	I am just writing to see if anyone knows about the SonShine fest that
is to be held in Wilmar, Minnesota. I went last year, and had the time of my
life... it was my first fest that I had been at.  They had a lot of great bands
there, like Petra, D&K, Newsboyz, and DCTalk. It was a great time to be had by
all.  I heard that it's a lot like the Cornerstone fest... I wouldn't know,
I've never been there.  
	I would like to know if anyone has heard of who is going to be at the
fest this next year. I heard that Petra will be back, as well as DCTalk. I was
wondering if anyone has heard of any other bands that might be there.
	Please post your responses, as I cannot recieve mail at the present
time.

Thank you !
Steve Schuett
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: T-Bone in _Acoustic Guitar_ Magazine
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:48:08 GMT

The Jan/Feb 1993 issue of _Acoustic Guitar_ has a H-U-G-E, H*O*T
interview with T-Bone Burnett (9 pages; 6.5 pages ad-less).  In addition
to some amusing photos and sheet music/chords for "It's Not Too Late,"
he gives some really juicy comments about creating art and why he
approaches song writing the way he does (the comments about <badly 
paraphrased:> "I don't write as much openly political songs because our
problems aren't political, they're spiritual ones.")

Mike sez:  "Jinkies, it's cool!  Check it out!"

-MDT.

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist)
Subject: Help me with my concentration!
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:24:14 GMT



I am in the Paracollege (design-your-own-major) here at St. Olaf, and I am 
doing my concentration in Contemporary Christian Music.  Some of my plans 
toward this concentration are:  surveys of the 'messages' in various songs, 
hosting a CCM show on our campus radio station, what's good/bad about such-
and-such-an-artist, stuff like that.  I will hopefully be expanding my CD 
collection so I can actually do _research_ in my concentration.  My CD 
collection as of now consists of these recordings:

*****************************************************************************
Michael W. Smith		Change Your World		CD
				Go West, Young Man		CD
				Project				tape

Geoff Moore & the Distance	Friend Like U			CD

Mylon Lefevre			Faith, Hope, & Love		CD

Petra				Beyond Belief			CD
				Unseen Power			CD
				This Means War!			tape
				Petra Praise			tape
				(their non-petraphonics sampler) tape

Sandi Patti			The Finest Moments		CD and tape
				Morning Like This		tape
				The Gift Goes On		CD
				1992 Hallmark w/MTC, CB, LSO	tape

Amy Grant			Age to Age			CD
				Straight Ahead			CD
				Lead Me On			CD and tape
				Unguarded			tape
				Collection			CD and tape
				Heart In Motion			CD
				A Christmas Album		CD

Steve Green			The Mission			CD

Russ Taff			The Way Home			CD

Duey and Swen			Duey & Swen - SAL		tape

Song				Sing-a-longs & Other Things 2	tape
				SAL&OT 7 w/Paul Hill		tape

Stephen Wiley			Rap It Up			tape

Luther Park Staff		1991				tape

Praise & Worship		Hosanna Sampler			tape

Barren Cross			Rock For the King		tape

LYE teams			Joining Hands Tour		tape

Glad				Romans				tape

Jay Beech			The Rock Hymnal			tape

samplers			Just Listen			tape
				Righteous Metal			tape

Take 6				Take 6				CD

Ray Boltz			Thank You			CD
******************************************************************************


Anyways, could y'all recommend some music that I should pick up?  I do have a
couple things I'd be interested in trading:  Sound of Blackness "Evolution
of Gospel" CD, BeBe and CeCe Winans "Different Lifestyles" CD, and either of 
the Sandi Patti "Finest Moments" formats.  I am looking for Newsong and
First Call stuff; Newsong that has "Light Your World", "So It Goes", "Street
Corner Praise"...stuff from the musical "Light Your World".  First Call that 
has "O Sifuni Mungu".  Also, who recorded the song "The Battle Is the Lord's"--
it goes "Not with a sword to destroy, not with a shield to defend, not with a 
spear to kill, but in the name of the Lord, the battle is the Lord's".  
Anything from the musical "Light Brigade" and from Psalty 9 (is this the one
with the *really* hip version of "This Little Light of Mine"?) and from the
musical "Friends Forever".  Help is deeply appreciated.


Asante sana...
--Andrea, contrabass clarinetist extraordinaire...



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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: mark heard discography
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:48:40 GMT

warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU wrote:
: Tribal Opera (1987-as ideola)
: Dry Bones Dance (1990)
: Second Hand (1991)
: Satellite Sky (1992)

   I've heard Tribal Opera and I own a copy of Satellite Sky.  How does
Dry Bones Dance and Second Hand compare with these two?


Rodney Ho

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Music to help raise kids was: Lisa Bevill
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:52:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.134014.27327@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>Mike McCormick writes:
>>Dads - Go buy this album for your daughters.  I'd much rather my daughter
>>have this album than be tempted to listen to Madonna and some of the other
>>music that teeneagers like.  'Nuff said.
>
>Amen.  My son is 8, he saved up money from washing dishes, walking dogs, for
>a year and bought a CD boom box.  He likes rap/??? I remember being concerned
>when I heard him quote some lyrics off his Janet Jackson CD.... so the next
>day I bought him DC Talk: Nu thang (I'm actually starting to like that album).
>He also got DC Talk's first for Christmas and I bought him one of the 
>suggestions off of the what is good christian rap thread on this list.
>
>I just want to take a minute and tell ya'll what a blessing this list can
>be, my kid has a really good auditory memory and knows the words to an 
>uncanny number of praise songs so while I still have some influence :-)
>it is important to serve him *good food*.
>
>So now I ask for some more help, since Hunter is only 8 he doesn't really know
>what he likes (by music type), but I would like to try to get a CD that
>is christian and is not rap (he has almost saved up enough for DC Talk III
>as well).  All I know is that he really seemed to like Rythmn Nation by Janet

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>Disclaimer: The Public Affairs Officer speaks for this Naval Lab, not me!

This album will fall closely into the rap category, but it's good stuff.
The last 3 albums by the Acapella Vocal Band are all targeted at young
audiences.  There will probably even be about 2 songs that you'll like on
each one :).  Anyway, they're pretty good stuff and kids seem to love 
them.  I went to their last concert here in Austin and the kids just went
nuts.  A little juvenile for my tastes, but I'm an old fogey, anyway.
So, check AVB out.  Besides, one of my friends from high school, Max Plaster,
is in the group and he's got a great voice.

Good luck.   


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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Coming To A Newsgroup Near You...
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:18:05 GMT


THE RETURN OF SOAE!!!!!!!

Soae will return to the metal and other newsgroups on Thursday Jan 20..
look for it!!

In the meantime, only 51 more shopping days til Believer!

Phil
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From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Gospel Blues (was: SCUPRe: Hey, Screamin' Diane
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:15:15 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, Dept. of Mathematics
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In article <1993Jan8.111618.13057@waikato.ac.nz>, butting@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.094428.13405@bsu-ucs>, 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>> A friend of mine, a blues guitarist named Governor Davis (group: Governor 
>> Davis and the Blues Ambassadors, who have been trying to get me to play but 
>> I hate the smoky club blues scene...), wondered how can people doing Gospel 
>> music sing the Blues??
>> 
>> I think this would be cool, the best example being Mark Farner's
>> Judgment Day Blues.  But, how many BLUES songs can you really sing?
>> 
>> I mean, Buddy Guy didn't exactly write stuff like, 'Got my soul saved, yeah,
>> but my baby just left town...'.
>> 
>> Any takers?
>
>Check out (Rev) Gary Davis' back collection - Kaiser/Mansfield et al have
>covered this guy - stuff such as "Jesus Coming Soon", "(If I don't read my word
>today) Nobody's Fault but Mine", etc.  Also (again, Rev) Robert Wilkins, and
>others - Son House may have recorded some gospel blues.  The Kaiser/Mansfield
>"Trimmed and Burning" album is a great collection of earlyish and contemporary
>gospel blues, with enough covers scattered through it to point you at some of
>the awesome figures of the 30's through 50's.
>

I this the only CD that Kaiser/Mansfield have put out together?

See Ya,

Steve


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mail Order CD's?
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:39:38 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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In article <SCHOUTEN.93Jan5120029@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu>, schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
> Does anyone know of a good place to order CCM CDs?
> (here good is loosely defined as wide selection and reasonably low
> price)
> CBD is OK for books but have almost no CDs.

Well, it has some...

> `Christian' book stores I've been in have high prices and poor (IMHO)
> selection.

That is a Shame.  
> 
> Any input would be appreciated.
> 
> Dale Schouten
> schouten@uiuc.edu

I finally got a hold of someone at Word who is sending me info on their 
Music Club.  More info when it comes....


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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mr Congeniality Of 1967)
Subject: Re: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:47:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.163134.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Well, I've heard the backmasking on the back of the Hotel California Record.
>
>That about ended my liking of the song.
>
>Jason Purcell

Well, playing just about any song backwards won't be aesthetically
pleasing... :) [tounge firmly in cheek]

But to be serious - usually I find that in the few cases where I've
encountered backmasking, I never really liked the song anyways. I.e. -
the backmasking of Def Leppard's "Love Bites". When I worked at Chick-
Fil-A us lowly workers got into I big discussion about it - one kid
actually destroyed his cassette. I just shrugged it off, 'cause I thought
Def Leppard were a pretty awful band (still are, in fact, my opinion of
course...), so I expected as much.

Interesting sidenote: a couple weeks later I was playing the Lead's 'Past
Behind' ep on the radio at work. Not loud or nothing. The manager promptly
told me to turn it off. I never did like him anyways. ;)

Anyways, the point: look at what a band is saying *forwards* in their
music, and you should be able to see where they're coming from. 2) A
certain band may not be totally positive, but they still can make
pretty good points. Christians don't have a monopoly on the truth (though
they have easier access to it! :).

Joshua H

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