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From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: [FWD] Help 3 HK student leaders
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:57:29 GMT

I forward a proposal for action from a Chinese student regarding
the three leaders of the HK Student Federation, Hok Luen, charged
by HKG for "illegal assembly" on the night of June 4 this year in
front of Xinhua News Agency.
 
To my fellow Hong Kong activists: shouldn't we have done this earlier ?
 
Wing
 
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>From CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu  Sat Oct 10 01:35:36 1992
From: "UCLA K.Y." <humu!uga.cc.uga.edu!EDT2LRF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:  It's our turn to help HK students being charged!
 
Dear netters, IFCSS leaders,
 
Three  Hong Kong student activitsts are charged for participating
the  protest demonstration in front of the New China News  Agency  
building  on  June 5 early this year.  And the HK  Federation  of  
Students  is urgently asking for international support  on  their  
rescue campaign.  
  
These students are being charged under excuse of the HK municipal  
"Public  Order  Ordinance"  which the colony government  used  to
supress student gathering and other activities aiming the Li Peng
government  and its agent in Hong Kong.  Under the pressure  from
Bejing, the HK regime has been doing this for three years.
 
During  the 1989 pro-democracy movement and the  years  following
that  bloody  midnight,  Hong  Kong  students  have  been  giving
enormous support to their mainland peers. Now it's time for us to
give our hands when they are calling out.
 
Here are something we CSS in US can do to help the 3 charged Hong
Kong student cases:
 
Call  your  local  or nearest British consulate to  express  your
demand:
 
   "Please  convey my deep concerns for the 3 Hong Kong  students
   being      charged by the un-justifiable reason."   You  don't
   have  to  talk about     the whole story to the staff  of  the
   consulate.
 
Send  a letter to the British premier and/or the new HK  governor
asking them:
 
    "Stop suppressing students pro-democratic activities and make
    HK       municipal   rules  consistant  with   internationaly
    recongnized human rights     criterior."
 
I also suggest that IFCSS (HQ and/or CCSA) study the appeal  from
the HK student Federation and consider certain action promptly.
 
Hong  Kong  is  a very internationalized  city  in  economy,  and
heavily  relies  on the China-US trade,  the more voice from  the
world  and especially U.S.,  the more caution the  HK  government
will  take  before  giving  any harsh  sentences  to  the  cases.
International  protests will definitely balance the pressure from
Li Peng.
 
    HK Student Federation can be contacted by fax: (852) 787-3120
    or e-mail: H8811377@HKUCC.HKU.HK.
 
Names of the 3 student activists are:
 
    "To Kwan Hang", "Tsoi Yiu Cheong", "Wong Ching Man"
 
They are Secretary-General of the HK student federation for 1989,
1990,  and 1991 respectively, but were NOT organizers of the June
5  NCNA demonstration,  which are the reason they are charged  by
the HK regime in the surface.
 
 
Kevin
UCLA
From: bg760@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lu Chun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Net for Chinese Students in Singapore
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:30:05 GMT
Reply-To: bg760@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lu Chun)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu

Hi friends;
	An email network has been set up in National University of
Singapore. It links about 2/3 Chinese students in Singapore together.
	Best wish.

	Lu Chun 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Afericans must have  be "celebrating" for being slaves(Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.213736.24610@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In My Own Opinion, it is ridiculous to want to rule by another
>country.  Don't forget many brave soldiers used their blood
>to protect our motherland.  If anyone want to be rule by other
>countries, why doesn't he/she just apply to immigrate there?
Slave metality is still alive and well among "Chinese".


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27739 soc.culture.hongkong:12428 soc.culture.taiwan:14331
From: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:29:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: einstein.9210132029.AA20292
Organization: UB

* 	If you don't trust Norm, why not doing a survey yourself as an
* independent check?
* 
*     Eddie

Strange logic. If I do not trust Norm then I have to do a survey
myself.  And so, if I do not do a survey myself, then I have to trust
Norm. To follow the logic, if I do not like someone who sells junk
cars, then I need to sell good cars. If I do not like the president,
then I need to run president myself. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.225536.27862@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.184002.15132@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
>writes:
>> >> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> >>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
>> >> 
>> >> >What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
>> >> >needs neither of them.
>> >> 
>> >> Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.
>> 
>> >Yes, there are always these two kinds of people, ultra-leftests and  
>> >ultra-rightests, just like there are always beggars, prostitutes and  
>> >religiously crazy people in a society. But this does not mean these people  
>are  
>> >the treasure of a society.
>> 
>> >Carl
>> 
>> Then go back to China and turn down the temple of Yue Fei.
>
>I am not a ultra-rightist. Why bother to burn the temple down? It is a good  
>place to suck tourists' money. It is also a place to ask people like Steve Lin  
>to pay 3 times as much as a Chinese does. Why should we burn it down? Only  
>stupid ultra-rightists will probably do this. To me, Temple of Yue Fei is as  
>same as Shao4 Lin2 Shi4 (Shaolin Temple).
>
>Carl
>


     Sounds from a real businessman. Any way, money is not entirely
     bad thing. I just wonder if Mr. Lin has really interests 
     in going and seeing Yue Fei's Temple. 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27536 soc.culture.taiwan:14270 soc.culture.hongkong:12318
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:04:39 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct11.203126.24600@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
> 
> I thought ROC is another dynasty who replaced Ching dynasty. For two
> reasons. (1). ROC used a new calendar after it is founded, exactly like
> Ching dynasty. (2). The Old Chiang grabbed power until he died, then let
> his son do the same thing, exactly like what happened in Ching dyansty. 
> But none of the above occurs to PRC. So, which one is more like
> Ching dynasty ? which national day deserves more to be celebrated ?

	** What wrong with the early Ching?

	   At the time of Kan1 See1 and Chian2 Lung2, China was one of
	   the stongest nation in the world. 

	   Little Chiang did not pass the position to his son. This
	   shows ROC is much BETTER then Ching.
From: calima@clone.mcs.anl.gov (Odilio J. Calima)
Subject: Pinoy Jokes!  :-)
Keywords: Si Mister at Misis!
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:43:49 GMT

  Yup!  It's me again!  :-)
  The following are taken from "Joke Only" by Fr. Ben Carrion, (vol1?).

			-----

  MISIS:  "Sang-ayon dito sa librong aking binabasa, ang pagkanta daw
	  ay nakakatulong upang painitin ang ating dugo."
  MISTER: "Kaya pala tuwing maririnig kitang kumakanta'y kumukulo ang
	  aking dugo."

			-----

  MISIS:  "Paalalahanan mo nga ang ating anak na mag-asawa na.  Beinte
	  otso na siya, baka lipasan siya ng panahon."
  MISTER: "Huwag kang mag-alala, darating din ang lalaking nakalaan sa
	  kanya.  Hayaan mo siyang maghintay-hintay pa."
  MISIS:  "Bakit maghihintay pa, ako nga'y ni hindi na nag-isip nang
	  sagutin ka."

			-----

  MISIS:  "Talagang hindi mo na ako mahal.  Kahit makita mo akong umiiyak,
	  hindi mo man lang itanong kung bakit."
  MISTER: "Paano'y kabisado ko na kapag umiyak ka, pati bulsa ko'y mahahawa."

			-----

  Bagong Kasal.
  MISTER: "Handa na ba ang niluto mong steak?"
  MISIS:  "Dear, kasi masyadong matigas iyong karne kaya ipinirito ko na lang,
	  pero nasunog namang masyado kaya masama ang lasa.  Sandali na lang,
	  kasi sinubukan kong ilaga para maalis ang lasang sunog."

			-----

    "Boss, pwede bang mag-off bukas, sasamahan ko lang ang misis kong
  Christmas shopping?"
    "Hindi!  Nakatambak ang mga trabaho."
    "Salamat boss, iniligtas mong bulsa ko."

			-----

  Hope some of you like them.  :-)
  Have a nice weekend!

  -Odie *:*:* Odilio J. Calima *:*:* calima@earth.eecs.uic.edu
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: The P.I. / RP
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:44:17 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <Oct09.214339.102465@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>No offense to any Filipinos but that's what everybody called their
>country when I was there.  Maybe the more professional people
>from Manila as opposed to the poorer people in the countryside
>call it The P.I. rather than The RP.  

Hey.  My billionaire friends and I call it the RP, although, we're not
professionals ;-)

George
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Answearing Machine "OM"
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:13:38 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Oct8.230547.5739@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) writes:

>Here is one  answearing machine message I heard recently...

>Hello, you have reached the office of JOSE CUERVO Assistant to the
>Asssistant to the Assistant Chiefs Assistant. Sorry I'm not here
>right now that is why you have to talk to this @#@$%&*machine.You
>may leave a message at your own risk if you wish after the sound
>of the Beep beep beep my Assistant might call you back.......

Hey, this sounds fun. How about others telling us about funny answering machine
messages that they have heard. I think it's about time we spice up s.c.f with
some humour after all that serious debates on LL and CAB.

Anyway, here's the answering machine message of my Japanese friend just
learning English.

AM: He-lo, dis is Sato. I cannot go to telephone right now. If you leave a
    message, I call you soon. But if you leave a *sexy* message, I call you
    sooner.

:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Clark AFB
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:52:57 GMT


   Well, when Jim Kirk made his original post, I winced because you could
just feel the flame fest coming.  If you want to maintain a rational
discussion, you really do have to remain a bit on the PC side, because
too many people (myself included) have internal buttons which can be pushed.
   However, back to the intent of his original post.  Does anyone know
what the status is of the people of Angeles City who relied on the base
as their means of financial support?  This of course includes base workers,
shop keepers, etc., as well as people who professions which are not considered
as "honorable".  Is the government moving in to supply new jobs, etc.
   Also, with Subic having just closed, what is the status of Olongapo.  Are
the citizens their being left to fend for themselves, or is Manila in there
doing something for them?

Tim
-- 
 Intel, Corp.
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
 Chandler, AZ  85226
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Re: Testing Na Naman... Please Ignore
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:11:55 GMT


You are posting from Philippine Science HS?!?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino)
Subject: Re: posting from manila
Organization: Motorola
Date: 10 Oct 1992 09:50:25 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: SOLARMD@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: posting from manila
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:59:39 GMT
Organization: Yale University



Is this Les person for real? Do any of you know other sites
for e-mail in the Philippines -- like colleges?
How extensive is this? Why aren't there more of you, Les?

-------------------------
Lux et Veritas
Armando Solis
Yale University
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep, this Les person is for real.  How about you, guy ?
So many like you have asked.  I've posted to the net confirming that my
posting from Manila is real.  Didn't you see that ?  Maybe you can try
following SCF more often.

Why aren't there more like me ?  Good question.  Other than a certain Joel
Disini who was mentioned by SCF'ers to me, I'm not aware of any other who
posted from RP (that's how Phils. is known here).

I know of AT LEAST one other guy in another site in Makati who follows the
net but obviously doesn't post (lurkers - is that what they're called ?).
Why are they not posting ?  I don't know.  If they want themselves known to
SCF, they will post and *PROBABLY* announce they're posting from the Phils.

LES - Posting from Manila
(maybe it's time I start dropping that phrase, :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: gapuzte@pearl.dec.COM (Philip C. GapuzTe)
Subject: plane tickets to Manila
Reply-To: gapuzte@pearl.dec.COM (Philip C. GapuzTe)
Organization: DEC
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:30:13 GMT


In article <2ADA199D.8262@ics.uci.edu>, bstarr@clyde.ics.uci.edu (Brian
Joseph Starr) writes:
> 
> By the way, has anyone noticed how much more expensive tickets to Manila have
> gotten?  They used to be $600 (even less once) RT, what happened?
>

I called up PAL and Northwest, and both quoted me $1,300 for a RT
ticket to Manila from SF for late December flights. I recall four
years ago that it used to be around 600 bucks. Anybody with tips 
on how to get a cheaper ticket ? 

Thanks for any help.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: anil@cs.titech.ac.jp (Anil Bhatia)
Subject: 2nd hand cars from Japan
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Dept. of Computer Science, Japan
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:24:27 GMT

If anyone has info about exporting from Japan to Filipines, 
please could you send me e-mail. Also if you are interested in
starting a business in the Filipines, please write to me.
Thank you,
Anil+Meiko
anil@cs.titech.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: pisay92@athena.mit.edu (Marlon R. Abayan)
Subject: I need a favor.
Keywords: Ads Company
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:43:06 GMT

Hi all,

Is there anyone out there who knows or works for a company which links up
newspapers and advertisers?  I'm working for a campus paper here at MIT (The
Thistle) and we figured it would be a good idea to get national advertisers 
through such companies.  For those who will respond to this thank you in advance 
and for those of you who were annoyed by this post, thanks for your patience.

Peace,

Marlon Abayan
pisay92@athena.mit.edu
(617)225-9367

P.S.  Ang masasabi ko lang sa pinag-uusapan ngayon tungkol sa prostitution at mga
GI, kung merong demand at mataas ang halaga na binabayad ng mamimili, kahit na
anong ka-gamol ng produkto, pipilitin ng mga nagugutom na gumawa ng produkto. 
Sa isang lipunang demokratiko, may tawag sa ganito - abuso at pang-aapi.  Buti na
lang umalis na... Ngunit habang nagugutom ang mga tao, hindi maalis ang potensyal
ng pang-aapi at imoralidad.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino)
Subject: PARANAQUE MAYOR
Organization: Motorola
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:29:05 HKT

To the guy who emailed me asking who the mayor of Paranaque is.
Sorry guy, I don't have your Internet address.

The mayor's name is Pablo Olivares.
You'd probably be interested who the vice-mayor is.
- He's Joey Marquez.  Former basketball player now comedian/actor.
And probably interested to whom he's married to.
- She's Alma Moreno (if I'm not mistaken).  They've got a kid and his
  name is Yeoj (that's Joey spelled backwards).

LES - Posting from Manila
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: PI or RP (The Philippines)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:25:22 GMT


>From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
>Subject: The P.I. / RP
>
>No offense to any Filipinos but that's what everybody called their
>country when I was there.  Maybe the more professional people
>from Manila as opposed to the poorer people in the countryside
>call it The P.I. rather than The RP.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think there was an earlier posting, which is sounds correct:

PI (Philippine Islands) is a geographical reference, and
RP (Republic of the Philippines) is a governmental identification.

Whether there is a deeper connotation on the meanings and historical
significance for each, really depends on someone's cultural or
political orientation.

It's quite interesting to note that this subject attracted emotional
opinions, and of course, some pragmatic views, as well.

I say, either nomenclature deserves equal time and space.

                                          -TEG
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: houch@cavern.mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
Reply-To: houch@cavern.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:31:13 GMT

m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Ching Muyot) writes:

>Please, if you value our country's independence and respect it's people,
>refrain from calling the Philippines "PI". The name "Philippine Islands"
>is a thing of the past and for some of us, brings to mind painful pictures 
>of our past as oppressed subjects of colonial masters.

>It is also inaccurate since the country has been called Republic of the
>Philippines since we gained our independence, therefore, "the Philippine
>Islands" doesn't exist anymore (except maybe in the mind of our
>colonizers).

It exists as a geographical descriptor, not a political entity, i.e., the
Republic of the Philippines comprises the Philippine Islands.  "Philippine
Islands" would be proper when refering to physical things associated with
the land mass (such as volcanos, typhoons, etc.).  It would certainly not
be correct to use it to refer to government functions (Citizens of the P.I.
or Government of the P.I.).

>Most Filipinos who grew up in the Philippines would not know what you're
>referring to anyway since it's not commonly used back home (we use the
>abbreviations, RP, Phils., or 'Pinas.). 

Seems to be a regional/generational thing.  It is commonly used by older
filipinos in certain regions, and by many Filipinos who migrated to the
U.S. years ago.

>Based on my observations, why is it that most people who
>call the Philippines "PI" are associated with the US military? 

That's what military people tend to call it.  Most of them certainly do
not realize the implications.  It was used all around the bases by
Filipinos and foreigners alike, and was placed on t-shirts, gifts, etc.
It's a sad fact that many serviceman and dependents saw little more of the
Phillipines apart from the bases, Camp John Hay, and Manila.  It really
gives a distorted view of the country and the people.

-- Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Looking for Filipino folk music
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:35:16 GMT

In article <Bw2Ksn.71z@beach.csulb.edu>, mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez)
wrote:
> 
> In article <bernardo-121092192854@126.10.4.41> bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:
> >I would like to get some "real" Filipino folk music, preferably in CD form.
> >My problem is, I don't know where to start. What artists should I look for?
> > Do they still have folk artists in the Philippines or have they all turned
> >into carbon copies of western stars.  
> >
> >Any recommendations welcome.
> >
> 
> 
> How would you define folk music, and for that matter, "real"?
> Are you referring to folk artists like Asin ("Kapaligiran", "Itanong
> mo sa mga bata")? Or do you mean artists who sing "Leron Leron Sinta"
> like the Bayanihan Troupe?
> 

Excuse me for not being specific enough.  I meant traditional folk
music. So far, I know two groups:
     Mabuhay Singers          (from Andy Mean's reply)
     Bayanihan Troupe         (from the above reply)

But, since the subject already came up, let's talk about contemporary or
popular folk music artists also.
     Freddie Aquilar          What's he up to?
     Asin                     same question
     Florante                 According to Andy, he's now in LA.  New
records?
     Heber at ang Banyuhay    from Andy.  I don't know anything about this
                              group.

Side question:  Is there a faq for SCF?  Maybe an anthology of Filipino
artists and their works would be nice.


Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These opinions are my own*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: conrad@Ingres.COM (Conrad Landicho--Data Ctr Ops x2583)
Subject: test
Reply-To: conrad@Ingres.COM (Conrad Landicho--Data Ctr Ops x2583)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:02:59 GMT

pls. ignore....

thanx....

conrad
From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: exporting car
Keywords: car
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:30:57 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

Kumusta sa inyong lahat. 

I need to find out some information about shipping a car/truck to the
Philipines. Has anybody out there shipped a car to PI? I need to know
all the necessary expenses, reliable shipping companies, expected problems
etc.  I live in Portland, Oregon. 

BTW, this is a group account. My name is Cesar Teraza and if you want to reply
to me directly, my email address is: UUCP: ...!tektronix!naps!pulsar!cesar
OR cesar%ops3.telcom.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET.  I always read the newsgroup too, so either way I'll be able to read your replies.

Maraming salamat.