HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: Malfunction Rate Poll (was: RE: number of jumps)
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:06:20 GMT

In article <0e1702qY25m.01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski) writes:


   In article <BELBOZ.92Oct7094836@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu>, belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt) writes:

   >Someone I know bounced and lived in exactly that way -- one line
   >around a container flap, looked like a spinning 'function, chopped it,
   >stayed attached, reserve fired into the mess... lived through it, and
   >still jumps. Lucky guy.
   >

   Damnit Barry!  Give us the whole story!  Sounds like a good one.

   -- 
   Doug Puchalski						   Death to all smileys

Well, I'll elaborate as best I can -- I didn't start jumping at that DZ
until 3 months after the incident (I think I was at AFF Lev 6 at the
time), so everything is second hand.

He was jumping an XL Cloud with a Talon Container (both a putrid
orange-blue combination, Mike has *no* taste). He'd always freepacked,
you know, no bag, just coil the lines in the bottom of the container,
stuff the main in neatly and put in the pin.

Worked fine for a few hundred jumps, and *then*, as I've said before,
one line managed to tie itself around one of the side flaps on
opening. The flap, accordning to reports, was completely mangled as
the line had *lotsa* force on it, and really knotted the fabric
tightly.

Looking up, Mike thought, damn, spinning function, and chopped. Pretty
clearly, that main wasn't, and didn't go anywhere -- it just collapsed
into a worse mess. Apparently, he didn't wait long and dumped his 26ft
round into the mess. The two chutes entangled nicely, and he was
spinning. Every now and then, the round would inflate a little bit,
and then collapse. He'd've been better off with the spinning main.

Anyway, I don't know exactly the extent of the injuries, but he was
only out of it for a couple months. No major internals, nothing
*major* broken... Hell! I'm in worse shape after an itty bitty hook
turn. 

I heard  about it a few days after it happened on the local radio
station, where he called in to talk about it -- was pretty
entertaining.

What I enjoyed most was the "Enquirer" article, "Skydiver plunges 2
miles, and lives!" We have that on the wall, with the picture of Mike
defaced to have him saying, "I almost stood it up!"

Moral of the story: Don't freepack.

Barry
C-21387

ps. Thank god for freebags too! Every now and then I like to remember
that having one saved my life, and the life of a friend (nmot on the
same jump)-- now *there's* a reason to jump a square reserve!
Comments? 





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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: High altitude bungee jump
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 19:11:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.121203.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>With all this talk about skydiving and bungee jumping I started thinking...
>has anyone ever exited an airplane like a Casa or Caribou connected to the
>plane with a long rope/bungee and been towed behind the airplane then cut
>away from the cord to freefall?? It sounds like it could be fun if done
>right.

I believe Scott Hamilton was the test subject once for one of those extraction
systems where you put on a harness and send up a balloon with a line
attached to the harness and a C-130 flies by with this giant V shaped
thing on its nose and just as the bad guys are closing in  *SNAG* ...

Only something went wrong with the winch and he flew around back there
for quite a while until they somehow got it working. When he tracked he
could get up level with the plane.

Skratch

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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Beer (Was: Re: Our daily philosophy question)
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:59:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

In article <1992Oct7.132453.26638@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh) writes:

>When I do provide a case I usually ask the pilots what they want.

     You sound like one of the good guys.  After the last load the
pilots are busy tying planes down, closing flight plans, etc., and
sometimes they don't rejoin normal society until most of the beer
is gone.  Saving a beer for the pilot is a nice gesture, and might
get you a few hundred extra feet next time.

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Request for info about collegiates
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:33:19 GMT
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU


Here's something I wrote up a couple months back about the
collegiates. Too bad my ankle will still be too messed up to go this
year.

Next year though....

Barry


The collegiates are held (give or take a day) from Dec 28 til Jan 3. This
year, they'll be in Clewiston FL. They tend to alternate from being in
Clewiston, and being in AZ (typ. Marana).


4 events:
	Accuracy	(novice < 100, interm 100<n<500, master > 500)
	Style		(ditto)
	RW 		(2 way for < 100 jumps, 4 way > 100 jumps)
	CRW		(4 way rotation)


You may enter any or all of the 4 events.

Eligibility:
	You must be a fulltime student, grad, undergrad, anything.


You are ineligible if you meet *all* of the following requirements:
	> 1000 jumps
	> 5 years sport
	one other silly thing I can't recall.


Typically, the first day is practice. 3-4 days of competition, and 1-2
days of boogie at the end.

Typically, people camp out down there for the whole time. It's totally
worthwhile and a good time.

Barry

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Advice for new jumpers buying gear
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:52:00 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!viper.eng.ufl.edu!esj

 r> The problem with mini risers is that at the grommet that the 3ring locking 
 r> loop passes through, you only have about 1/4 inch of 
 r> webbing on each side of 
 r> the grommet hold everything together. This weak point will break under a 
 r> much lower load than a standard riser. A jumper who has 
 r> a high wing loading 
 r> on his hard opening Zp canopy might just find himself connected to his main
 r> by one riser goup. 

Just to pick a nit here, the force of the opening AT THE RISER won't change 
with wing loading.  That only effects the canopy.  So wing loading is 
irrelevant.


 r> reserve. No biggie eh. But if you have a RSL on one of your risers, and
 r> this is the riser that breaks, you will have a main connected by one riser
 r> and a RSL activated reserve out. 

And the danger in this is GREATLY reduced with a cross connector.  Back in the old days when a RSL was called a Stevens System, cross connectors were a required part of the installation.  Makes a lot of sense to keep using one doesn't it?

And they are quite handy for CRW also.

Bill Caefer
NSCR-1369

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: DZ altitude
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:41:22 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol

 r> Skydive Colorado is 5,018' AGL. I've seen jumpers my size - 150 lbs.- jump
 r> 107 Sabres here. One bounced pretty hard after a botched 
 r> surf (Troy Widgery).
 r> But, they are landable here. When I was at Lost Prairie 
 r> I landed really hard
 r> everytime, at some 3,300 or so feet.
 r> I'll take some humidity with the lack of altitude, please. ;-)

Wrongo Mary-Lou, moist air is less dense.  If you want to land softer, hope for the dry air.

I don't remember what the elevation at Longmont was, but I made 50 jumps there and it was over 5,000.

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From: msc9332@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: The Bridge Bungee
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:17:31 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

The Bridge Bungee


Does anyone out there know of bridge bungee jumping in Scotland ? 
If so, let me know please !!

Steve.
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Hidden Message and general babble
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:14:01 GMT

I just realized that something (trivial) is missing from the LP vid.
Someone mowed the words "LICK ME" into the grass between the grass strip
runway and the landing area to everyone's amusement. It's visible though
in the photo in the October Parachutist! AwwRight!

The video began shipping today, not yesterday because the dubbing people
put the soundtrack on the dubs in stereo rather than mono.

Also, I forgot to mention that the Convention video should be done in about 
2 weeks. There might not be a Dollar Daze video due to lack of interest.
I saw some footage of both the Convention and Dollar Daze while Robert demo'd
his Toaster, someday I'll be able to hit all the big boogies *sigh* I'll 
have to trade in Bonzo for The Boogie Man, imagine that.

How many folks are going to Nationals? I've been invited to pack parachutes 
for Skyhi; I doubt I'll go, but there's always a chance. Ha.

I may be retiring my CruiseliteouchfuckthathurtpieceofshitIneedparaboots
this weekend in favor of Falcon 215 with some life left in it. One thing 
I'm wondering about - looking through the Parachute Manual Vol. II and the
Paragear catalog, there are some really varied estimates on the pack volume
of this canopy. Precision says 480 ft.^2, pushing the limit of my J-3, if not
exceeding it. The PIA says 564. Poynter agrees with 564. However, PIA says
the Falcon 235 packs up to 569 while Precision says 518. Any insights?

Of course, if I like the way it flies and lands, I'll put it in my bag and
container and see how it fits, but the numbers confuse me. Any insights?

Well, the Great Debate is on, so I'm gonna go get my video :-)

Tim


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From: cwebb@cs1.uct.ac.za (CF WEBB)
Subject: Re: Any hints for newcomers?
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.210945.28182@eng.umd.edu> mml@eng.umd.edu (Marios Leventopoulos) writes:
>Subject: Any hints for newcomers?
>
>Could you fellows suggest some starting point (some good contacts, were to go, phone # etc)??
>
>-marios
>
Hi Marios,

You're about to find out why birds sing!

I don't know anything about skydiving in your area, but I suggest you pick 
up a phone book or yellow pages and look under the following: parachute, 
skydiving, U.S.Parachute Association or call your local info-line.

When you get hold of someone ask about FIRST JUMP COURSES or, if you're 
really keen to get into this sport and have plenty of bucks, ask about the 
ACCELERATED FREEFALL PROGRAM. If you're in this for a one-off joy ride, I 
suggest you ask about a TANDEM SKYDIVE. You'll have the thrill of your life!

GOOD LUCK !!
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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: Night Jumps/Misc.
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:54:47 GMT

My only real night jump, excluding one done about 45 minutes after
sunset, was a night cross-country... exitted from 12000ft. at about 
10:30pm, and flew a bunch of miles back to the DZ, while watching
fireworks over downtown pittsburgh, 30 miles away.

No moon, smooth steady strong winds -- gorgeous.

Probably my favorite single skydive.

Made sure you test out whatever you're going to be using the see the
altimeter... I couldn't see mine well at all... but since I wasn't in
FF, I had plenty of time to stare and guess.

Barry 
C-21387.



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From: allanh@netcom.com (Allan N. Hessenflow)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Info wanted on Byron and Hollister
Keywords: skydiving sites question
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:22:18 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I've been told that there are skydiving operations at Byron and Hollister.
I'd appreciate any information I can get on them, including their phone
numbers and opinions/impressions on their operations.

allan

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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Greetings!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:32:14 GMT

Reply-to: Jonathan.Hutchins@p0.f76.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Jonathan Hutchins)
Fido-To: all

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From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Request for info about collegiates
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:58:19 GMT

>
>You are ineligible if you meet *all* of the following requirements:
>	> 1000 jumps
>	> 5 years sport
>	one other silly thing I can't recall.
>

The silly thing is "over 24 yrs of age"
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: RE: High altitude bungee jump
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:51:22 GMT

Reply-to: Alex.Curylo@p0.f928.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Curylo)
Fido-To: romulus!acad3.alaska.edu!fsbgf

>been towed behind the airplane...it could be fun

Well, speaking for myself, the only thrill about my single bungee was that
it's so counterintuitive to hurl yourself directly at the ground from such a
low altitude. I had a great adrenalin rush, until the moment when my feet left 
the platform. The actual fall was OK, but by the time I started bouncing I was 
already feeling like I'd wasted $80. Without the nearness of the ground making 
the jump so instinctively suicidal, I really don't think it would be that big
a thrill. Certainly not to someone who does any *real* air sport :-)

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From: shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: High altitude bungee jump
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:21:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1165.2AD2D0A9@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Alex.Curylo@p0.f928.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Curylo)
>Fido-To: romulus!acad3.alaska.edu!fsbgf
>
>>been towed behind the airplane...it could be fun
>
>Well, speaking for myself, the only thrill about my single bungee was that
>it's so counterintuitive to hurl yourself directly at the ground from such a
>low altitude. I had a great adrenalin rush, until the moment when my feet left 
>the platform. The actual fall was OK, but by the time I started bouncing I was 
>already feeling like I'd wasted $80. Without the nearness of the ground making 
>the jump so instinctively suicidal, I really don't think it would be that big
>a thrill. Certainly not to someone who does any *real* air sport :-)

 My first and last bungee jump was the same.  The "coach" aboard the crane
 platform was not ready for a skydiver.  He kept trying to tell me not to 
 be nervous.  He was more nervous than I was.  I was tempted to grab him and
 jump with him (BOOOOOINNNNNNG!!!).

 I've never felt anything other than just plain fun when leaving an aircraft
 behind with qualified skydivers in the air with me.  Bungee jumping is OK,
 but there's not much freefall, and the time you're "in the air" is negligible.

 Hey gang, LET'S SKYDIVE!!!  (It's a much better buy than bungee jumping.) 

 Shawn
From: henchel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric Hench)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Jump Number Statistics
Keywords: jump stat
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:49:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BvrLM1.44r
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BvIM1B.4zF@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>henchel  henchel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                 Eric Henchel

Just for future reference, my name is not Eric Henchel.
It is Eric Hench.

					-Eric Hench
					 henchel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: sharpe@cs.UAlberta.CA (Al Sharpe)
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:40:35 GMT

In article <1208.2AD915F2@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
>Fido-To: romulus!madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu!bo
>
> r> its 7-cell brother, the Strato-Cloud, which gave me much better landings.
>
> r> And talk about durable.  I sold it after putting 800 jumps on it and it was
> r> still in great shape and was jumped for years by its susequent owner.
>
>Yep, I've got one which has maybe 2 or 3 thousand jumps on it at least.  And it's still in good shape too.

One of the nicknames for the original Strato-Cloud is "Bullet-proof Cloud" --
appropriate, I think :).
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Night Jumps/Misc.
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:30:24 GMT

I'm interested in hearing anyone's night jump stories. I need to do 
two of them, and I don't mind jumping in the dark, but I'm scared to 
land. A few weeks ago I made a jump after sunset, a dusk jump, and 
while I didn't think it was much darker than my first SL jump, I 
landed two feet lower than I thought I was going to, and it hurt.
My depth perception was horrible. Maybe I just new glasses..

Anything appreciated.

Tim

BTW, what do they mean by 'able to jumpmaster other licensed skydivers'?
If I organize a load and say 'OK, we're going to the top, I'm spotting,
breakoff at 4,000', open at 2'500', jumpers are reminded that landing in
the Red Zone is prohibited, I'm pin-checking you floaters', am I jump
mastering? Or what? I can't jumpmaster another licensed skydiver until I
have a C, but then students aren't licensed, so it doesn't mean that I'm
potentially qualified to throw dope ropers out, I don't get it.
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Gibraltar
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:59:13 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Gibraltar
============================================================
Gibraltar - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

U.S. Representation:  Gibraltar is a British colony and has  no 
U.S. Embassy or consulate located in the area.  For assistance, 
American citizens can contact the U.S. Embassy in London, telephone 
(44) (71) 499-9000.

Country Description:  Gibraltar is a highly developed stable 
democracy with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities are widely 
available.

Entry Requirements:  A visa is not required for tourist stays up to 
three months.  For further information concerning entry requirements 
for Gibraltar, travelers can contact the Embassy of the United 
Kingdom at 3100 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W., Washington DC 20008, tel 
(202) 462-1340 or the nearest British Consulate General in Atlanta, 
Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Los Angeles, New York, or San 
Francisco.

Medical Facilities:  Medical care is available.  U.S. medical 
insurance is not always valid outside the United States.  Travelers 
have found that in some cases, supplemental medical insurance with 
specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  Further 
information on health matters can be obtained from the Centers for 
Disease Control's international travelers hotline on (404) 332-4559.

Crime Information:  Gibraltar has a low crime rate.  However, 
during the tourist season, pickpocketing, theft of unattended 
baggage, and theft from vehicles can occur.  Popular tourist 
attractions such as museums, monuments, restaurants, hotels, and 
transportation systems are often areas where criminals operate.  
U.S. citizens can refer to the Department of State's pamphlet, "A 
Safe Trip Abroad" for ways to promote a more trouble-free voyage.  
The pamphlet is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. 
Government Printing Office, Washington DC 20402.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, and dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

 No. 92-021

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