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From: ctan@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Chee Weei)
Subject: Q: Correct way to handle resources?
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:49:41 GMT


Can anyone enlighten me on the correct way to query for resources (that the
user may have specified in his .Xdefaults file) ?

I've seen the use of the defaults_ functions to look for defined (or default)
values of resources. They each requires a name class pair. What the O'Reilly
book doesn't explain is the format of the name and class strings. Assume I
have a subframe in my application and I want to allow the user to specify
in his .Xdefaults file its geometry. First, is it possible to allow them
to specify it in WxH+X+Y format? If so, does it mean the application is
responsible for parsing the value? Is there a function that can extract
geometry values from strings of this format? Assuming the application
requires a resource for each value. Let the name of the application be
xapp. My subframe is referred to as a subframe subobject. I want the
user to specify the value for the x location value of the subframe as:

xapp.subframe.x: 0

Now, what I want to know is:

1) In the name string, what must I specify to name the resource? Do I say
"xapp.subframe.x" (which I know works) or can I say "subframe.x"? Do
I have to explicitly name the name of the application as part of the
resource name or would the defaults function be smart enough to know
to look for the resources for those beginning with xapp or *?

2) What does the user say in the .Xdefaults file to set the x and y position
of the base frame? Initially, I set the base frame's x-y value explictly
but I realised that xv_main_loop() resets these values. What should the
user specify in the .Xdefaults file to specify the base frame's x-y 
values? 

3) If I were to get the x-y values in 2) above via my own defined resources:
eg. xapp.main.x and xapp.main.y, what can I do in my application to
set it so that the values used by xv_main_loop are those I want them to be?

Any other pointers to other sources of information on this subject are also
much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

CW
From: csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:36:15 GMT

etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:

>Fortunately Sun forgot to meddle with xterm (or perhaps it was too
>hard) and so it doesn't behave quite the same way as other OW
>applications, about the only thing that they did was to add the
>definitions for cut and paste to the apps-defaults:

>XTerm*VT100.Translations: #override \
>        <Key>L6:select-set(CLIPBOARD)\n\
>        <Key>L8:insert-selection(CLIPBOARD)

This is better but it is still not a OpenLook application. What I
would like to give to my users is a terminal emulation with the
following features:

	1. OpenLook tool which obeys all OpenLook resources.
	2. OpenLook scrollbars.
	3. Support for OpenLook mouse button conventions.
	4. Xterm key remapping functionality.
	5. Xterm bolding and underlining (could be improved from
		standard xterm).

If we had these thing we could get rid of the only non OpenLook
tool which runs on our systems.

When is Sun going to give us a decent terminal interface?
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt)
Subject:  xauth(1) and mkcookie of Openwindows
Keywords:  xauth, magic-cookie, mkcookie
Reply-To: vdp@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:55:49 GMT


   I was trying to change the Xauthority file from the default $HOME/.Xauthority
to one specified by env variable XAUTHORITY when I started having problems
related to authorization to display. So I would like to know more about Xauthority
in Openwindows. There is the standard xauth(1) of X11 distribution which deals with
file .Xauthority or one specified by env variable XAUTHORITY and there is this
Openwindows program mkcookie which creates the authorization file named
.xnews.MACHINE_NAME:0 in HOME directory.  I notice is that this is the file used
with -auth options to Xserver - xnews. So could some one tell me what are the roles
of these two different authorization files: .Xauthority and .xnews.**:0 ?  And how can
I change the name of Xauthority file via the env. variable XAUTHORITY without getting
in trouble with "permission denied" (authorization problems) ???

thanks

vinayak dutt

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                                           vinayak dutt
            Medical Sciences Building (2)   Mayo Clinic
                                     Rochester MN 55905
                                   e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu
				      FAX: 507-284-4705
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"I think that I think, therefore I think that I am."
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: hopkins@cs.cmu.edu (Don Hopkins)
Subject: Re: In article 20K@phage.cshl.org, pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
Originator: hopkins@ECP.GARNET.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Nov20.191536.14722@shearson.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:47:50 GMT

fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco) writes:

   >How long can you hope Sun will support you using the DOE toolkit and/or OLIT?

	   One would hope that DOE does not follow TNT/NeWS and XView into
	   the black hole.   8/

Frank, DOE _is_ the black hole.

	-Don
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt)
Subject:  XAUTHORITY and OW 
Reply-To: vdp@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:08:50 GMT

Hi;
     I wanted to set the XAUTHORITY file to some other file name (other than .Xauthority
in my home directory). So I set the env variable XAUTHORITY to the file name which
I wanted. But after that, when I start Openwindows, all my clients are refused connection.
Am I missing some important point ?
(and what the heck is mkcookie program of OW which is executed by openwin script ?)

Vinayak.


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                                           vinayak dutt
            Medical Sciences Building (2)   Mayo Clinic
                                     Rochester MN 55905
                                   e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu
				      FAX: 507-284-4705
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum --
"I think that I think, therefore I think that I am."
            -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: hack@stsci.edu (Warren Hack,317,4943,ADD.10-01-91)
Subject: Re: iconPixmap
Reply-To: hack@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:37:12 GMT

It seems that there is more than one person in the world who would like to customize
the icons on the desktop.  I, too, am interested in modifiying the icons I have on
the desktop to truly represent the applications that are running in the window 
(primarily, Xterm windows). 

For what it is worth, the man page for olwm does provide an example of how to use
a different icon with shelltool that works.  Unfortunately, the same thing does not
work with XTerm (which is what I need for my applications).  To make things even more
lively, I have seen this done with SunView icons, so it would seem natural that 
OpenWindows would have this capability.  

Please, if anyone knows how to make this modification, POST IT for all to learn from.


Warren J. Hack 		'Trust Me,...' - Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Alternatives to Xt based toolkits? (Was: Re: SunSoft Windows Positioning)
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:21:24 GMT

In article <1e0grvINNije@armory.centerline.com> matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
:
:>	I would never recommend programming with an Xt-intrinsics based

and then
:
:But on the brighter side, maybe this will get people to take a second
:look at other non-widget based toolkits.  There are a lot of good ideas
:out there, and a lot of interesting implementations.  Perhaps if the 


Okay, what are some of these alternatives that are viable - i.e. development
is continuing?  

Another possibility is that someone (or ones...) may decide to take XView 
and slingshot, work out the legal situation with Sun after it is dropped,
and go on and DO the things that XView programmers have been waiting on
Sun to do.  Since it appears that the various new features that have
been mentioned in this group lately are not coming before the EOL perhaps
it is time for programmers to go ahead and write their own XView
extensions.
-- 
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Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: arthum@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Michael Rene Arthur)
Subject: DevGuide FAQ Request
Keywords: faq, devguide, open-look
Reply-To: arthum@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:49:03 GMT

Is there an FAQ available for DevGuide?
From: jacs@aiai.uucp (Julian Smart)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Xt based toolkits? (Was: Re: SunSoft Windows Positioning)
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: jacs@aiai.uucp (Julian Smart)
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov17.122054.16929@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>Unfortunately, these are all commercial products.  And as such, they require
>a selling job to one's faculty, management, wife or husband ;-) to justify
>the cost of the product, the per sell license fees, etc.
>
>Is there anyone out there who is working on non-Xt based, C code
>toolkits PREFERABLY either look and feel independant or at least which
>doesn't require the purchase of either product so as to avoid the war
>syndrome) for free distribution?  Interviews, Andrew and the Tk toolkit
>have been mentioned to date.
>-- 

I'm about to release my own offering, called wxWindows, which is a C++ class
library on top of Windows 3.1 and XView (weird combination, maybe!) I'll
be doing a Motif port sometime in the next few months. It's by no means
a commercial-quality product, but it does have a few interesting features
e.g. DDE interprocess comms subset on Windows *and* UNIX, context device
object for generic drawing and printing (PostScript on UNIX), file selector,
semi-automatic MDI support (Windows only).

And it's free. A tentative version 1.0 is in pub/wxwin on skye.aiai.ed.ac.uk,
along with an XView demo. It comes with a 100-page manual for those with
under-employed PostScript printers.

Regards,

Julian Smart
jacs@aiai.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:58:21 GMT

In article <412@ftms.UUCP> brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) says:
: In article <pwdqvzj@lynx.unm.edu> khan@us17502 (Naseer Khan) writes:
: <I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
: <Can anyone help, please....???!!!    Thanks in advance....
: 
: Ya, there is one that comes with OpenWindows.  Did you try running it?  I do.

Notice that he didn't ask for an xterm that ships with Open Windows.
He asked for an xterm that uses OpenLook.  In other words one that uses
the same scroll bar, menu and cut and paste conventions as deskset
tools.

The jet program in the demo directory comes close.  Unfortunately, it
uses NeWS (so it won't work on remote X-only displays) is unsupported
and has some bugs.
--
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Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
From: moriarty@cs.dal.ca (Kevin J. M. Moriarty)
Subject: What do all of FileManager's SELECTION targets mean?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:09:01 GMT

I'm trying to write an application that will interact with FileManager
via Drag 'n' Drop and Selections.  I get the following list when I ask
FM to convert TARGETS:
_SUN_EXECUTABLE
_SUN_ATM_FILE_NAME
FILE_NAME
_SUN_DATA_LABEL
_SUN_ENUMERATION_COUNT
_SUN_ENUMERATION_ITEM
_SUN_ALTERNATE_TRANSPORT_METHODS
_SUN_SELECTION_END
LENGTH
_SUN_FILE_HOST_NAME
TARGETS
DELETE
TEXT
STRING

How do I find out exactly what the _SUN* targets mean?  I've looked in the
O'Reilly books (Programming and Reference Manuals) but there's no mention
of any of these.  Does anyone have a description of these?

Thanks.
Dave MacDonald

---------------
Dave MacDonald 			dave@homer.shec.hypercomp.ns.ca
Scotia High End Computing,	Halifax, N.S. CANADA
From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <1992Nov17.215821.15917@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
<In article <412@ftms.UUCP> brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) says:
<: In article <pwdqvzj@lynx.unm.edu> khan@us17502 (Naseer Khan) writes:
<: <I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
<: <Can anyone help, please....???!!!    Thanks in advance....
<: 
<: Ya, there is one that comes with OpenWindows.  Did you try running it?  I do.
<
<Notice that he didn't ask for an xterm that ships with Open Windows.
<He asked for an xterm that uses OpenLook.  In other words one that uses
<the same scroll bar, menu and cut and paste conventions as deskset
<tools.
<
<The jet program in the demo directory comes close.  Unfortunately, it
<uses NeWS (so it won't work on remote X-only displays) is unsupported
<and has some bugs.

The version that comes with OW3.0 is no longer in the demo area.  But, as
someone else pointed out, the default cut-n-paste are different.  I prefer
the new method of cutting and pasting.  I hated using the L6 and L8 keys.
I prefer the auto-clip-boarding that is done with xterm.

Every now and then I do run into a problem of not being able to cut-n-paste
between xterm and a different OW application.  I think I have seen postings
that fix this, but I have never incorporated them.

I prefer how the scrollbar works.  At least xterm works with tip and vi.
The cmdtool and shelltool (w/ scrollbar turned on) really has problems.  Not
only that, but when you scroll back up, you have to scroll back down to see
what you are entering as new text.  With xterm you are moved back to the bottom
of the scrolled list.

Yep, I prefer xterm over shelltool any day.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x
From: jpf@uuhelio.uucp (Jeff Francis)
Subject: Re: OLIT: Red focus color: HOW DO I GET RID OF IT????
Organization: HelioCentric Software
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:20:25 GMT

>But I have no idea how to get rid of it:I see no XtN/C... resource related to
>focus color:

The resource you want is XtNinputFocusColor.  Your egrep missed it
because it's located in $OPENWINHOME/include/Xol/StringList (no .h).
I often use the following:

*background:			gray
*inputFocusColor:		gray65

Jeff Francis, HelioCentric Software, uunet!uuhelio!jpf, (515) 232-1300
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jonp@sysdeco.uucp (Jon Petter Bjerke)
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Reply-To: jonp@sysdeco.no (Jon Petter Bjerke)
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.215821.15917@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
>In article <412@ftms.UUCP> brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) says:
>: In article <pwdqvzj@lynx.unm.edu> khan@us17502 (Naseer Khan) writes:
>: <I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
>: <Can anyone help, please....???!!!    Thanks in advance....
>: 
>: Ya, there is one that comes with OpenWindows.  Did you try running it?  I do.
>
>Notice that he didn't ask for an xterm that ships with Open Windows.
>He asked for an xterm that uses OpenLook.  In other words one that uses
>the same scroll bar, menu and cut and paste conventions as deskset
>tools.

I was just logged into a DRS6000 SPARC box from ICL. It's running SVR4 and
the xterm (yes /usr/bin/X11/xterm) shipped with that system seems to
be something similar to R3 xterm compiled with the OLIT toolkit. It has
the Open Look scrollbar and pinnable menus.  Maybe it's part of the XWIN
package from AT&T? I don't know if the source code is available.

OS version is 4.0 5.1.04 DRS 6000 sparc according to "uname -a".

  Jon Petter Bjerke, Sysdeco Innovation A/S,
  Chr. Michelsens gt 65, N-0474 Oslo, Norway
  Tel +47 2 38 30 90  Fax +47 2 38 46 59
  Email: jonp@sysdeco.no
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  Chr. Michelsens gt 65, N-0474 OSLO
  Tel +47 2 38 30 90  Fax +47 2 38 46 59
  Email: jonp@sysdeco.no"
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,alt.toolkits.xview,comp.windows.x
From: doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr)
Subject: Re: SlingShot 2.0 is here
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:27:04 GMT

In article <lh0lhgINN5eg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, brianw@ark.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Warkentine) writes:
|> 
|> I am proud to announce the release of The SlingShot Extensions to XView
|> version 2.0. 

I couldn't see anything in the announcement that indicated what
version of XView SlingShot 2.0 is based upon.  Could you please
clarify this?  The wording above might imply that the Extensions
are to XView version 2.0, but I assumed from the subject that the
2.0 referred to the version of SlingShot.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:03:11 GMT

In article <412@ftms.UUCP>, brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
|> In article <pwdqvzj@lynx.unm.edu> khan@us17502 (Naseer Khan) writes:
|> <
|> <Hi All,
|> <
|> <I've done a lot of searching recently for xterm, the program that works
|> <as an Open Look "look-and-feel" application.  I have xterm from the
|> <general X11R5 distribution at export.lcs.mit.edu and have it working.
|> <But, that one is Xt based, I believe with the Scrollbar at the left, etc.
|> <
|> <I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
|> <Can anyone help, please....???!!!    Thanks in advance....
|> 
|> Ya, there is one that comes with OpenWindows.  Did you try running it?  I do.

Fortunately Sun forgot to meddle with xterm (or perhaps it was too
hard) and so it doesn't behave quite the same way as other OW
applications, about the only thing that they did was to add the
definitions for cut and paste to the apps-defaults:

XTerm*VT100.Translations: #override \
        <Key>L6:select-set(CLIPBOARD)\n\
        <Key>L8:insert-selection(CLIPBOARD)

-- 

Michael Salmon

#include	<standard.disclaimer>
#include	<witty.saying>
#include	<fancy.pseudo.graphics>

Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
From: khan%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com (Naseer Khan)
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:24:04 GMT
Organization: Sunny Southern California
Reply-To: khan@us17501.mdc.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Jon Petter Bjerke (jonp@sysdeco.uucp) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov17.215821.15917@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
: >
: >Notice that he didn't ask for an xterm that ships with Open Windows.
: >He asked for an xterm that uses OpenLook.  In other words one that uses
: >the same scroll bar, menu and cut and paste conventions as deskset
: >tools.
: 
: I was just logged into a DRS6000 SPARC box from ICL. It's running SVR4 and
: the xterm (yes /usr/bin/X11/xterm) shipped with that system seems to
: be something similar to R3 xterm compiled with the OLIT toolkit. It has
: the Open Look scrollbar and pinnable menus.  Maybe it's part of the XWIN
: package from AT&T? I don't know if the source code is available.
: 

Yes, like the above states, my quest is for an Xterm that looks and
feels like an OPEN LOOK application.  I think there's a definite need
for one out there.  I know all the users here (most using Xterm
through MacX with it's single button mouse) would certainly love to
have one.

And I think that the next poster nailed it about that Xterm being
available on AT&T's distribution of OPEN LOOK.  You see the place
where I saw this Xterm was in the Sys V, Rel 4, An Introduction by
Rosen, Rosinski, & Farber.  And from the examples and such, I get
the impression that these guys work (or at one time did) for AT&T.
Page 911, if anyone's interested. (Are any of you authors out there?)
It got me all excited, and I went and searched the whole tree, the CD,
Export, and the FAQ.  Guy Harris also said that he'd heard of some
such beast being grown at AT&T but didn't remember if they'd let it
roam free in the world.

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      | (~)(o)                                 ___________
     C      _)
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From: grossjoh@petty.ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Kai Grossjohann)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: olvwm and icon manager
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:09:18
Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik VI
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
NNTP-Posting-Host: petty

Hi there,

I've been using olvwm for a couple of days now and I like it quite a bit. It
has no icon manager (like twm), though, and it doesn't have an icon box (like
mwm) either.

Is there a program or extension or version of olvwm or something that lets me
use olvwm _with an icon manager_?

Thanx,

		---Kai Grossjohann
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: dec@alex.com (Doug Clinton)