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From: klewis@AFIT.AF.MIL (Keith A. Lewis)
Subject: ANYONE AT TENNESSE STATE UNIVERSITY?
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:46:02 GMT

I LOOKING FOR ANYONE ATTENDING TENNESSE STATE UNIVERSITY.  I NEED TO KNOW IF 
SOMEONE MAY KNOW A FRIEND OF MINE.  HER NAME IS TRACIE PENNINGTON.  PLEASE E-
MAIL ME WITH SOME INFO PLEASE.




KEITH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: DEMO VS U.S. IN SOMALIA 12/21 NYC
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:04:37 GMT

I have encountered people of different walks of life who are opposed
to the US/UN operation in Somalia to save the starving.  Some of their
points make a lot of sense eg.  "Why now and not a year ago?  It has
been common knowledge that people have been starving for a while in
Somalia." 
	I guess the major problem I have with "these" people is that
not one of them is suggesting how else the situation could be
rectified at this juncture.  Looking and reading about the
terrorization of the common man by the "war lords", I do not know how
people in Somalia can be fed without some kind of military presence. 
	Food has been sitting at the port of Mogadishu for months now.
However people are being fed now that the US/UN troops are present. 
	The other buffling argument is since there are starving people
in other parts of the world why should the US/UN forces not go to
Somalia?  My question to this argument is do you want to see the
projected 1/2 million Somalis die by 1993 just because a similar
number of troops cannot be sent to country X.  
	Maybe I consider the lives of Somalis too much when I am
making my reasoning (that is if you can call it that), but then what
are the NewYork demostrators really trying to show?  What message
should an average Joe like myself get from their demonstration?

Ndiyoyo,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:MOZAMBIQUE: UNITED NATIONS ASKS ITALY TO SEND TROOPS
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:58:20 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Europe, western; United Nations
Title: MOZAMBIQUE: UNITED NATIONS ASKS ITALY TO SEND TROOPS


rome, dec 7 (ips) -- the united nations monday asked the italian
government to send a military force to mozambique to guarantee
the security and distribution of aid sent to the southern african
nation.

the request was made in a letter from un secretary-general
boutros boutros-ghali, relayed by his special envoy aldo ajello
to the head of the italian government giuliano amato.

it came less than a week after the united states decided to
send troops to another african country, somalia, to guard the
distribution of relief supplies.

ajello, who also had talks with foreign minister emilio
colombo and minister of defence salvo ando, said that his
impression was that the italian government seemed to be
favourably considering the request.

a foreign ministry spokesperson consulted by ips said that the
government would study the request.

italy was mediator in the two-year negotiation between the
mozambique government and the 'renamo' rebel movement, which
concluded on oct. 4 with an agreement that ended 16 years of
civil war.

over one million people died in the conflict.

the united nations has asked rome to send a first contingent
of troops as part of an international force which would guarantee
the evacuation of some ''strategic corridors,'' in particular the
road leading from the interior to the port of beira.

the beira corridor is under the control of soldiers from
neighbouring zimbabwe. it is indispensable for the distribution
of food aid in mozambique addition to being the only access to
the sea for landlocked zimbabwe and malawi.

in his talks with the italian authorities, ajello also
discussed an upcoming conference of mozambique's donors.

the meeting, scheduled to be held in rome on dec. 15, will
bring together the 12 european community (ec) countries, the
scandinavian nations, the united states, japan, canada, the
united nations and other international bodies.

ajello said it would have to discuss problems relating to the
holding of elections in the african country, the demobilization
of government and rebel armies, refugees and repatriated persons.
(end/ips/trd/so/jp-cs/kb/92)
From: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: IPS:ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:17:52 GMT
Reply-To: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng)
Organization: Swarthmore College

firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
> In article <Bz6sxo.2tp@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:
> 
> >for example, argues bruce waters, critically-acclaimed films
> >by african-american directors such as 'boyz in the hood' and 'new
> >jack city' were rejected here this year.
> 
> Good for Zimbabwe, say I.
> 
> It is the values and attitudes portrayed in films such as these, and
> their mindless glorification by the sickos in the mass media, that
> have made the African-Americans one of the most oppressed black people
> on earth.  Any nation that wants to keep this filth well away from
> its cinemas, and the hearts and minds of its young people, is to be
> applauded.

there is a need for people outside the united states to see that this is not
the world of milk and honey as portrayed by the majority of the films that
filter out of here.  
i might agree with you that the African-American population is one of the
oppressed black people in the world.  it is for this reason that films which
show that there is a way to get out of this oppression and miserable
socio-economic situation should be shown everywhere.  Boys in the Hood has a
story line that is educative and entertaining.  i recommend that you watch
it again, only this time pay more attention to the movie as a whole, not
only the violent parts.

as far as single white female and others in the same line, i think they are
really sick movies.  but then again, there are sick people out there.
watching them might be educative at times...you will never know... it mightb
happen to you.!!!8-)

see ya!

phoka
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: Faut-il desarmer les Bandits Somaliens?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:06:39 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

Armed with only a dictionary I wrote, :-) :-)

Il y a francaise nouvelle ce arrives sous-titre sur television cable dans
New York.
Je veux s'attendre il soir.  Je avoir tres degout ou lire votre article
(avec tres aide francaise/anglais dictionnaire) du la femme et je accepter
ils (NU)  desarmement des bandes armees somaliens ou depart.

Pourquoi manger juste mourir de l'bulit??

Kiggundu.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: M.Titahmboh@lut.ac.uk (Mana TitahMboh)
Subject: Re: Proposals to Aid Somalia?????
Organization: Loughborough University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:43:10 GMT

In article <1471700299@igc.apc.org>, jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield) writes:
|> 
|> In this topic it was said:
|> 
|> "...Is it possible that the problem in Somalialand is that there
|> are too many Somalians?"
|> 
|> and I said "I think it is hihgly provocative, but not stupid."
|> 
|> and Kauta said: "this is not a wise statement.... I hope you get
|> flamed on this one."
|> 
|> Well....you may think the fellow who raised the original question,
|> a question obviously designed to fly in the face of our common
|> sensibilities, is stupid.  Maybe so, but even if he is, I think
|> there is important food for discussion here.

I remember that article and I think it was way too callous to be just an attemp 
to "provoke" discusion. I do agree there is a lot to discuss here. The problem
is that this is not the time because actions rather words are needed presently.
Unfortunately(?) this *IS* the time to discuss it because we are now being
reminded of it by the tragedy of Somalia.

|> 
|> Maybe you should teach the writer some tact, or perhaps you could
|> offer some points of style, but don't you think we ought to
|> question our basic assumptions about humanitarian assistance
|> sometimes?
|> 

what is humanitarian assistance? it certainly is not the grand-standing and
posturing that has been coming out of some countries. what are these " basic
assumptions"? that just because the world has enough resources to sustain its
present population there shouldn't be famine? that's communist, isn't it?

|> it seems to me you would argue that such assistance has often been
|> the cover for nefarious acts perpetrated by blood-thirsty and
|> money/power hungry "democracies".  Because of this interpretation,
|> I think we should struggle to get clearer and clearer about why we
|> do certain things together (like send in the marines) and to get
|> the motives be hind them out into the light of day.
|> 

have you been reading satre again, jim?

|> Don't you think so, too?
|> 
|> ps: go ahead, now.  I can take it. Fire up your best shot :-)

No, I haven't the time or the desire to flame 8-)
Mana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mbarroso@watson.princeton.edu (Margarida Barroso)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:52:44 GMT

In article <565@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
 
> Portuguese limits all those Africans who speak it. My friend went to
> study Chenmical Eng. in cuba. The professors hand translated American
> text book and gave their students xerox copies. This is pathetic, we
> don't need to pay the penalty for the limited accessibilty of Portuguese

What's even more incredible is the fact that cubans speak spanish!!!!!
From: ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: soc.culture.african.french
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:39:01 GMT
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <Bz3pon.Dnu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
> In article <1ga8k4INNrmp@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> olinga@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Guy Francois Olinga) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>	This is a call for discussion on the creation of a new newsgroup
>>soc.culture.african.french. I think that many people from Africa don't
>>speak English well enough to send articles in this "international" 
>>language. Remember that our continent has not only anglophone but 
>>also francophone countries (among others). I didn' t write this 
>>article myself since my English is not very good. Therefore I have 
>>never taken position in any discussion in our newsgroup. 
>>Let's have a newsgroup where the Africans who only speak French can
>>express their oppinion about all subjects concerning Africa.
> 
> Not a good idea. Reminds me of the height of colonialism. Colonial languages
> like English, French, Portuguese etc are NOTHING to be proud of.
> 
> I once was drinking in an Afrikan pub and a group of English-speaking whites
> bumped in.. One of the patrons, trying to impress the newcomers remarked:
> 
> "I even dream in English..."
> 
> I have never stopped laughing since. A better idea would be forming newsgroups
> like soc.culture.swahili, soc.culture.hausa etc... I dunno Swahili nor Hausa,
> but I am damn sure I'd rather have these newsgroups than the one suggested!!
> 
> Some Nigerians on this net were trying to form their own newsgroup. Yet 
> another good idea!
> 
> kauta.
> 
> P.S. This is the same mentality that changes names from Ivory Coast to
>      Cote d'voire. Compare this to changing a name from Upper Volta to
>      Borkina Faso.
> 
> P.S.S. I might have messed up on a spelling or two...My spelling-checker is
>        malfunctioning. Even finds faults with the word "Afrikan". CHIT!
> -- 
> Internet: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  The law of Romanian Engineering:
> Bitnet:   kautaj@iubacs.bitnet          _NO PROBLEMA_. Just put a bunch of
> Uucp:     kautaj@iubacs.uucp            engineers on both sides. IF they meet,
>                                         you've your tunnel. ELSE you've TWO!!!

Je n'arrive pas a saisir l'argumentation de Kauta. D'accord sur l'aspect
colonialiste de l'utilisation des langues europeennes en Afrique; mais
est-ce que c'est un argument en faveur de l'utilisation de l'anglais
par rapport au francais? Je ne vois pas pourquoi. L'argument de Kauta
serait plus convaicant s'il avait ecrit en Swahili, et non en anglais.

I don't get Kauta's point. OK, the use of European languages in Africa
is colonialist; but is this an argument for using English as oppose to 
French? I don't see why. Kauta's argument would be more convincing
if he'd written in Swahili rather than English.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:25:04 EST

In article <1992Dec15.201127.4331@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

>of course, the people who got killed fired first and the good guys fired
>back in defense so i have no particular sympathy for them.  on any account,
>i don't think i will mistake the armed thugs for mother theresa, if you
>catch my drift...

Ah, so the invaders are suddenly good guys, and the people trying to
defend their country from invasion are bad guys.

I'll remember that on the day an African peacekeeping force lands in
Los Angeles and toasts a few dozen armed thugs from the LAPD.
From: apj@beldin.sun.ac.za (Andries Dippenaar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:25:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Dec14.142549.6286
Organization: University of Stellenbosch
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Philip Machanick (philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za) wrote:
: In article <565@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Paul M Mweene, pmmst8+@pitt.edu writes:
: >This would be the logical situation. Boer law allows whites to have
: >18 guns , including grenade launchers and assault rifles, blacks are
: >not allowed to come any where near a gun.
: 
: I've never applied for permission to own a weapon (nor do I intend to
: ever own one) so I don't know the specifics of the law but I would be
: interested to know your source for this.

I'm no great expert either, but at the moment the law limits private
citizens (ie. *anybody*) to a maximum of 14 firearms per person.
Only in very special cases may that limit be extended.  The latter is
mainly for gun collectors.  Also, when applying for a licence, proof
must be supplied that the owner owns a safe or some such in which the
weapon will be securely locked when not being carried on the person --
a car is not considered safe.  If you have a criminal record, you are
automatically disqualified from owning a firearm -- I'm not sure if
this only applies to selected crimes or if it is across the board.
Private individuals are also not allowed to own fully automatic fire
arms, ie. one that can discharge more than one round per trigger
pull -- no grenade lauchers, assault rifles, etc. as stated above;
basically revolvers, semi-automatic pistols, hunting rifles or 
shotguns.

The gun control laws have been tightened up quite drastically in the
past few years, because of lobbying by industry.  Attempts are/were
also being made to require applicants to first undergo training before
licences are granted.  Having your firearm stolen through negligence,
is sufficient grounds for having your license revoked and your being 
declared unfit to own a firearm.

Just thought I'd set the record straighter,
Andries
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: New Topic
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:52:58 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

While I was hanging out this weekend with a few African friends, both men
and women, letting the cold ones go down nice and slooooowww :-) :-)
We started debating a very firey topic.  I dont know if it has been
discussed here to exhaustion, because I only recently rejoined internet. 
If it has, please mail me the conlusions.

The topic was what do you think of guys who go abroad and come home with
white women.

-Do these marriages contribute to, or destroy the African family and society.
-Are the men who marry these women mentally colonised, seeking to have the
white man's possesions
-Does the African man (Not all but some) promote these values among the
society by equating beauty with lighter skin. 
-Would the above attitude be the cause so many skin lightening products
(like AMBI) are sold on the continent because the women are trying to look
"more beautiful" in the mens eyes.
-Why is it when you see a brother with a white woman, she is usually
mediocre.  Yet when you see a white man with a sister she is FIIINNNEEEE!!
-Since this is not a colour blind world and no concrete steps are seeming
to be taken to make it one, is rejection of white women cultural
self-preservation.

The women claimed there were not enough good men to go around.  The men
said the women were in hiding or taken.  Some men claimed it was not okay
to date or marry, but having a fling was okay.  This infuriated the women
to no end.
The some of the women claimed they were treated better by these guys than
some of the Africans had treated them.
The guys wanted to know why when a brother had a white woman across his
arm they said "look at that cute guy with that ugly woman....." Yet before
he went out with that woman he was not cute.

Anyway I would like to hear peoples views.

Kiggundu.
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: MEDLINE Biblio on Clitoridectomy
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:07:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec11.110145.18866@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit) writes:
>Paul M Mweene writes
>> 
>
>> These blameless individuals were for the most part white South African,
>> great Afrophiles that they are,
>and what followed.  I think you have it wrong when you say it was mostly  
>of the people participating in the debate were not South Africans.  I can but  
>Other than for your obligatory attack on white South Africans, thank you for a  
>good post.
>Regards
>Riel Smit                                                 gds@cs.uct.ac.za

I think a measure of clarification is in order. I do not harbour blind hatred
for white South Africans. Even if I did this would be a minor issue. Remember
that the black majority does not strive for the love of individual whites but
rather the abolition of all the legislation which white hatred placed against
blacks. I feel that dwelling too much on my predjudices takes away from the
issues and diverts the requisite attention from the facts and the solutions.

I believe, inspite of the popular opinion, that Africa needs white South Afr
icans. South Africa critically needs white South Africans. This is so because
South Africa (whites) has the tachnology which is crucial to our survival. The
re is little likely hood that industrialized countries will suddently decide
to share their technology liberally with us. A way out of this predicament
is to ensure that at the inception of representative rule, this technology is
still intact in SA. Our black brothers sadly, were barred from positions 
where they could maintain it, consequently we have to make sure that the whites
keep it there. Certainly we should avoud a repetetion of Angola and Moz. where
the Portuguese wantonly damaged the economy rather than surrender it to Afr
icans in a functional state. 

The above does not mean that whites can continue to murder and plunder with
impunity, or that an inquisition cannnot be held for those who might have 
been criminal in the past. We can not even talk about how whites will be re
warded even before South Africa has been recovered. It should be pointed 
out at some time in the future, every body will be an equal citizen. The same
laws will apply to all. Before that time however we have to aplly pressure
on ALL whites to bring about the desired changed. This pressure necessarily
cannot have boundaries, the appropriate action will be done at the appropriate
time.


makala


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From: ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:38:15 GMT
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis), AT&T  writes

> ...
> ... after the way our guys toasted those armored vehicles ...
> ...

I beg to object to that way of talking. [Of course you have the right
to say that, I just mean I think you shouldn't.] Rightly or wrongly US
troops killed quite a few people in those vehicles, it wasn't toast in the
vehicles. I just think that way of talking is a way of dehumanising
war and trying not to realise what it involves.

This is what worries me about America (well OK it's called the UN these
days) intervening in civil wars in the third world and taking over a
country. Sounds like a good precedent for a recolonisation of the
third world now there's no counterweight like the USSR which for all
its faults at least sometimes gave training and arms to people like the
ANC, Sandinistas, etc. (And no this doesn't mean I want people to starve
in Somalia or support the "warlords".)