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From: twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace)
Subject: Re: dogs and mortgages
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:02:50 GMT


After watching a bad situation where two of my friends bought a
dog when they were living together in college, then fight over
custody of that dog when they broke up, I did a lot of serious
thinking about people's responsibility to their pets.

I have been living in apartments ever since I graduated from
college, and with the median price of a house in my area of
$160,000, it looks like it is going to be a while before my wife
and I get one.  A long time ago, my wife and I agreed that we
would not get a dog until we had a mortgage -- because it's
harder to get an apartment, it's not fair to the dog not to have
a yard, etc., etc.  However, since we were both raised with
dogs, it's getting harder and harder to resist, esp. with those
RCA ads on tv. 
 
What is the consensus around here? Is it wise to get a dog while
living in someplace you do not own?

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From: baz@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.ann.binder)
Subject: Leaking Dogs
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:19:40 GMT
Keywords: PPA, DES, Dexatrim

I couldn't resist jumping into the discussion about leaky dogs!
All three of the female spayed dobies I've owned all developed this
problem.  Our first dobe was put on DES when she was 5 (this was about 
16 years ago...) It solved the problem.  However, she died of
liver cancer that one vet "attributed" to the DES...of course, who
can really say.  (I'm not trying to scare anyone whose
dog is on DES!!!  You may want to discuss the risks with your vet
though and look into alternative treatments if he/she thinks it
might work...also, our first dobie was on DES for a much longer
period of time than they typically prescribe today).

Our second dobe that my parents still have developed
the same problem and their new vet put her on something called PPA
(i don't know the exact spelling...i think phenyolpropa.....)
Anyway, my Mom orders this from the pharmacy under the brand name
Propagest.  It is actually some type of human decongestant.
My vet prescribed the same thing for our dobie, although I buy
it directly from the vet clinic.  Cost is about the same when I
compare it to my Mom's.  
My vet said that he would consider DES as a last resort, but hoped
the PPA would work since potential side effects are fewer and less dangerous.

We started her out on 3 pills a day and I reduced that dosage over a few weeks.
I'm now down to one pill every other day and hope to reduce it further.
So far so good.  I'll have to ask my vet about Dexatrim...i'm curious
if he ever prescribes it.
Barb
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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:12:32 GMT


In article <21JAN93.14962634.0027@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, CS#0@lafibm.lafayette.edu (CS#0) writes:
|> Two of my Goldens LOVE to take tissues from the bathroom trash
|> and shred them into little pieces (all over the house!) and
|> sometimes even eat them--ugh :-(   We usually keep the door
|> closed, and when they get caught, a firm "No!" and "Drop!" will
|> make them stop, but at night I leave the bathroom door open so
|> that my children won't walk into a closed door, and the nightlight
|> shines from the bathroom out into the hallway.  We have moved the
|> trash can, tried black pepper, red pepper, and tobasco sauce, used
|> set mouse traps, but Molly and Kelsey are not easily deterred!  Plus
|> it is a nuisance to ALWAYS make sure the door is closed.  Any
|> suggestions would be appreciated!  Thanks in advance!
|> Susan Castelletti <CS#0@LAFAYACS>

I believe that tissue is another of the Universal Treats(tm) that all
dogs *LOVE*.  Mr. McDuff does the same thing, and no amount of correction
has deterred him in the least.  He *will* give one up on command, and even
leave the waste basket alone on command, but left to his own devices,
we have tissue everywhere! (One of the funniest sights I have ever seen
was happening upon McDuff, lying in our sun room, with a FULL BOX of
tissues, yanking them out one at a time.  He was having a *BALL*,
until he looked up and saw me standing there.  Lucky for him I was
laughing so hard I couldn't do much to scold him ;-)

Sorry I can't be more help, but if you do find the solution, please let me
know!
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Help! Ideas for finding lost puppy
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In <1jknt6INNhhv@nigel.msen.com>, Dan and Karen Sugalski writes:
>S. Mudgett aka little gator (scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us) wrote:

>: but whoever finds your dog can trace you through the rabies tag *only* when
>: the vet clinic is open, and *only* if you haven't moved without notifying
>: your vet.
>
>It is still a help.  I always notify my vet when I move.  Either I'm still
>using them or I'm getting my animals medical records for my next vet.  My
>vet may not always be open, byt I'm not always home either. :)  It's still
>one more contact that someone finding a dog can try to use to try to get
>it home.  I did say that my dogs have other id as well.

i didn't mean to imply any criticism, only to point out that rabies tags 
have their faults, and something else should be used as well.  i take
 rabies-tag calls where i work.  i have been flamed because our emergency 
answering service couldn't trace the tag, since the records are in the
office itself and not at the answering service.  i've had to tell people that
we know the owners moved, since our reminder cards were returned, but we
don't know where they are since they didn;t tell us or leave a forwarding
address, but the dog is still wearing a now totally useless tag as its only id.
i just wanted to let everyone know of these potential problems, and warn that
a rabies tag, while helpful, should be accompanied by a name-and-adress tag.
i would imagine similar things could happen with a license tag as well.

but then i've been accused of being fanatical on identification.  each of
my dogs wears a flat nylon buckle collar with a name-address-telephone 
plate riveted to the collar(once i had a tied dog break the d-ring off her
collar and get loose, leaving her tags on the ground behind her.).
they are tattooed, each with my social security number on the right thigh and
the dog's own ukc reg. number on the left thigh.  each collar has a small
key-ring attached to the tag ring, with the dog's license and rabies tagas, and
a tag identifying the dog as ndr-registered, and giving the tattoo #.

brindle was lost for 5 days once, and i want to give them every chance to
get back to me if it ever happend again.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:00:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.175309.3034@cs.tulane.edu> feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman) writes:
>>
>>
>>  Are millions             ------------------------- 
>>  of pets being   YES     |                         |
>>  abandoned and ________\ |                         |
>>  euthanized            / |                         |
>>  every year              | GET YOUR PET NEUTERED!! |
>>  in the US               | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
>>  alone?                  |                         |
>>                          |                         |
>>                          |_________________________|
>>
>>
>If you are a responsible breeder, you are obligated to breed good dogs
>to balance out the bad ones being bred by most everyone else.
>
>  (BTW: an unneutered dog need not be bred -- the SPCA pro-neutering
>policy was created in an age when dogs ran loose around communities)
>

I hate to tell you this, but dogs STILL run loose around communities!
My husband and I have to be careful when we walk on our own street
with our 3 dogs because there is usually at least one loose dog.
I've seen 4 different dogs running loose in our neighborhood, and 
this is a new development so there aren't very many people here
yet.

An unneutered dog doesn't have to be bred, but there is always
the chance that it will get out accidentally.  I don't see ANY
reason for a non-registered dog to not be neutered, and for
registered dogs that will never be shown I feel the same way.
Responsible breeders are not the problem.


Jamie

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From: jvirts@unl.edu (jacquelyn virts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Problems with Pro Plan Turkey?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:51:43 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Pro Plan, food,

Our GSD loves his Pro Plan with Turkey; however, I _have_ heard of at 
least one other person who got what he considered to be a bad batch of
the Pro Plan with Chicken some time back.  His dog wouldn't eat it  
and he took it back to the place of purchase and they gave him a new 
bag.  Apparently this happens sometimes, although I don't know how 
often.  

Davey actually seems to like the turkey and barley formula better than
the chicken.  Hopefully this is just a one-time thing!
From: mledna@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Matt Ledna)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help: biting
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:03:27 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

| My puppy is 3 months old and while I understand that she is teething, she
| bites me constantly.  Not just chewing but drawing blood.  Even when I'm just 
| sitting on the couch, she jumps up at my face! I need something seriously
| unpleasant to do when she bites.  Any suggestions?

Zack did this for a while when we first got him.  My solution when he nipped at
my hands was to put a finger or two deep in his mouth while holding it open -
make it uncomfortable but not painful - and look directly in his eyes while
saying firmly "NO BITE".  Worked great in just a week or two.

Matt Ledna
mledna@corp.hp.com
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Subject: chiropractic care for dogs?
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:38:51 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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I have a social acquaintence (wouldn't say, "close friend") who is a licensed
chiropractor.  I was talking with someone else about OFA cert & hip dysplasia
in dogs, & she (the chiropractor) asserted that it is possible to treat hip
displasia in dogs with chiropractic adjustments.

I assume that she did NOT mean to say that radiographic evidence of hip
dysplasia could be corrected;  I am assuming that she meant that disabling pain
from hip dysplasia could be treated with chiropractic adjustments.  She went on
to say that the main reason it isn't used more frequently is that chiropractors
usually aren't trained to deal with dogs' anatomy, and vets aren't usually
trained in chiropractic adjustment techniques.

I know I've (occasionally) seen ads in dog magazines about chiropractic for
dogs (of course, now I can't find any of those).  Does anyone know anything
about this?  Yes, I KNOW chiropractic is controversial in humans, as being
either "really helpful" or "quack medical practice" -- depending on who you
talk to about it.  I'm not really interested in rehashing THAT debate re. dogs;
I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had direct experience with chiropractic
adjustment of their dogs, and if so, what that experience was.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: On Late Night TV!
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:06:07 GMT


I don't think I was dreaming! ;)  But over the weekend I was watching
TV late at night and I saw an ad put out by AKC. The ad basically  
said the things we're always saying here about getting a dog. IT 
warned the viewers that dogs required a long term commitment,
don't get a dog just for a child as the adult will end up doing the 
work, dogs need love, companionship, exercise, training, and good
care, etc. It really made me feel good that the AKC finally put an
ad out telling people to think it over before they go out and get
a dog...too bad it was on so late at night!!!

Anyone else seen AKC commercials lately????

Kay & Crew
From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Akitas and children and other questions
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:39:29 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <9301240740.AA2258@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org>, ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|>   I don't have anything against Akita, but I would hold off on getting
|> the dog for several years.  I believe it is not wise to have large
|> possibly aggressive dogs around infants and toddlers. Provided that
|> the dog is not hostile to the child, you must also consider that dogs
|> do get jealous, and most dogs will try to exert dominance over any
|> creature smaller than they are.  The form it might take could really
|> hurt your child.

I think that the key word here is "possibly", as in "possibly aggressive".
A dogs temperament takes precedence over its size in regard to children.
Just to illustrate my point, a friend of mine grew up with a pekinese
which is a small dog.  The dog was irritable and attacked him occasionally
for territorial transgressions while he toddled by the peke.

We had a BSD, which was large and incredibly gentle.  My son was 7 mos
old and crawling over to her and playing with him.  She protected him
from strangers, and accepted his attention with great patience.
Of course we were always monitoring his actions but on the whole,
Daisy would simply gently get up and walk away whenever he became "annoying".
She would do this slowly so as not to knock him over.

My generalized impression is, and I may be wrong on this,  that larger
dogs are more forgiving of smaller children than smaller dogs.  They
can usually shrug off unwanted ministrations.

I agree though that a large dog can cause more damage and inflict
more injury than a small one.  For this reason toddler's should
never be left unattended with any dog.

|>   Another factor is that a big dog like an Akita will bump into the
|> child as it is learning to walk, knocking it for a loop, into
|> furniture or possibly down a flight of stairs.

Sorry, but my experience has shown differently.  Moreover, if your
child can be knocked down a flight of stairs, then something is
definitely wrong here even without the dog being in place.

|>   Young children need to be taught to respect animals, and this
|> usually cannot occur before the kid is 7 or 8.
|>   You are going to be a parent now.  This was your decision.  It is
|> time to put some of your other plans on hold.  This is your baby's
|> time.  
|>   A gentle cca is a much better choice in pets at this time. Perhaps
|> when your child is three or four, you could look into gettin a mid
|> sized dog, and then the Akita when the child is perhaps 10.

I disagree, but then again, thats just my opinion.


-- 
Shai Guday              | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer    |
Thinking Machines Corp. |	the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA           |
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David GUtierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:  Vegie eating pup
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:47:29 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1jk7vcINNdf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S.
Hlabse) writes:
> I had always been told that dogs will not eat citrus
>fruits of any kind.

Wurzi's all-time favorite snack was oranges.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: gatero@saturn.wwc.edu (Rob Gates)
Subject: Help choosing family dog
Organization: Walla Walla College, College Place, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:18:17 GMT



I am hoping someone out there can help me with a decision.  We are looking for a 
new member to our family and have several requirements.  We have a small house 
and a small back yard so a large dog is out.  We want an indoor dog that is not 
hyper or excitable.  The most important requirement is that our 16 month old son 
and the dog be suited for each other.  Other wise we are looking for a well 
tempered loving companion.  The reading we have done suggests two dogs that 
might be well suited for us, a Basset Hound and an English Boxer, my wife being 
more interested in the Basset.  Any suggestions or input on these breeds or others 
would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:09:45 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-11251]: diana

Jon Krueger writes:

>> Ok, Jon.  You oppose the idea that reputable breeders should
>> produce a lot of dogs and strive to improve the breed.
>
>Incorrect.  And yet another silly straw man.
>
>I have no problem with anyone, including those you term 'reputable
>breeders', adding to the supply, for any reason they like, as soon as
>demand catches up.  I have stated this here many times.  I see no
>reason to defend another, different, idea, that you attribute to me.

We've been over this before. . . If breeders stop breeding for 
even a few years, there will be *no purebreds left to breed*.
So your support of reputable breeders adding to the supply is an
empty endorsement, since all the females will be dead or too old to 
breed (making breeding of quality purebreds impossible).

I reiterate:
Reducing reputable breeders' output will allow backyard breeders and
puppy mills to dominate all the breeds.

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Picture perfect
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:50:32 GMT

In <1993Jan27.180905.14328@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:

>I got the most wonderful dog calendar that I've ever seen.  It's a page-a-day
>calendar with pictures that people have sent in.  It's great because I feel
>like I am looking through someone's photo album.  There are some show shots
>but mostly it's happy dogs looking out of car windows.  There are some staged
>shots--a basset with glasses on it.  Buth they really have a home photo album
>feel.

Betsy beat me to it -- I got this same calendar for Christmas and have
been enjoying it.  There are a lot of pictures of dogs you don't always
see, too: this month alone there were three chocolate labs (boy, that
can't go wrong with me, eh??? ;-), a chesapeake bay retriever, bloodhounds,
etc.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

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From: karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Border Collies and Brittany Spaniels
Keywords: Border Collie
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:32:12 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <31678@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> nlittle@ems.cdc.com writes:
>
>Border Collies were bred to herd by using their eyes and body posture
>to move the stock.  That's where you get the description "strong
>eye" and "crouch" to describe certain traits of this breed.  A strong
>herding Border Collie will stare at the stock with their head low
>(not unlike the wolves do as they stalk their prey).  A nice working
>Border Collie will work quietly and should never bite or nip ("grip") 
>unless a sheep is being stubborn.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Nancy Gagliardi Little                    nlittle@ems.cdc.com

When I brought my 3-month old Border Collie mix home from the shelter,
he thought my white cats were his sheep. He'd get in front of them, put
his head on his paws, rump in the air, and and make eyes at them. I
didn't reinforce the behavior (and the cat-sheep climbed the fence) and
so the behavior has disappeared.  An anecdote, I suppose, in the
breeding vs. training issue. Since this guy is my first dog, though, I
was just astonished!

And yes, he LOVES his exercise! He doesn't understand why his person
has been so loath to take long walks in the recent California
downpours.
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