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From: ltt75326@acuvax.acu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:26:22 GMT
Organization: Abilene Christian University

In article <1dbjklINNkqa@gap.caltech.edu>, kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes:
> 
> Chowning@acuvax.acu.edu (Richard Chowning) writes:
> 
>>I am for that.  The language and name calling by just a few here has really 
>>caused this to be a rather distasteful reading.  Sure, I could just skip it 
>>on my terminal, but the subject is interesting and important.  I just hope 
>>we can discuss it without the ugliness.
> 
> Here here!  
> 
> Cultures make mistakes, and tradition (and blind defensive stupidity)
> create an atmosphere in which it is almost impossible to correct
> them. (Slavery in the Americas and the middle east being two obvious
> examples.)  I think clitorectomy, infibulation and female circumcision
> fit this description.  It is my opinion that they are mistakes.  The 
> purpose they serve does not jusitfy the brutality they entail.
>  
> Please, share your wisdom, prove me wrong.  But use your god given
> knowledge about the people and cultures involved, not defensive
> name calling and misdirection (for the sake of this discussion, it
> doesn't matter that I think male circumcision is also a mistake.)
> 
> I'm looking forward to a reasonable, informative discussion on this
> important topic.
> 
> -Kevin


Hello, folks. I want to say a thank you to those who are striving
to rationally discuss this issue and keep their remarks on the level
of learning and understanding. My Blessings! I am someone who has
chosen to live on the African continent after I finish my education
here in the states - I spent some time there already and have dealt 
with the issue before. When I return I will undoubtedly need to be
able to address the issue there, but to do that I need to be better 
educated on it. 

Could we please hear some outspoken Africans speak to us about this
custom of theirs some more? I grow weary of personal bigotry and 
accusations clouding the issue. I offer this promise: If Africans 
will tell me and the network objectively about female circumcision
then I will not offend you by giving my white man's opinion. And in
return for that I ask that I not be offended by being told my pain, 
concern, and outrage at the way history and present times are treating
Africans are false and manipulative. I suffered malaria and bear the 
physical scares to show where I stand --- with the Africans.

Thanx to you --- Mulungu andakuhadze!
L.T.
From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 06 Nov 92 18:04 PST
Subject: Re: Female Circumcision
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov2.203329.15042@netnews.lo:1642549663:cdp:1471700226:000:532
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Nov  6 18:04:00 1992


broader issues....should a society strive to improve the treatment
of it's children?  are parents willing to put even their
customs on the line to attempt a better future for their children?

does this question make any sense for my african brothers? is
it of any concern?
my question probably sounds disingenous, but it is sincere.  I have spent
years raising awareness about world hunger as well as helping to raise
funds for disaster relief as well as long term assistance for africans.
do you consider this a misguided effort?
From: dsza@elm.lle.rochester.edu (TONY DESOUZA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Born Ethiopia
Summary: Query
Keywords: Greek influence
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:22:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I was born in Ethiopia in 1969 an lived there until 1974.  My father is 
Indian and my mother is Greek.  Although I now live in the US, I lived in 
Athens, Greece for a number of years and have concluded that there must be
a substantial Greek influence in Ethiopia.  Could any one fill me in on 
this aspect of Ethiopian culture?


---------- If you rub here and it feels good, you are one sick puppy ----------

Tony DeSouza                                                           \ | /
Winners were once dreamers --------------------------------------------- @ -
University of Rochester Laboratory for Laser Energetics                / | \
dsza@elm.lle.rochester.edu
                                  "Ignorance has been good to me"




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---------- If you rub here and it feels good, you are one sick puppy ----------

Tony DeSouza                                                           \ | /
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From: brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg)
Subject: Re: Cultural Exclusivity
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
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pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

[deleted]
 
: You go to segregated schools and enjoy all the priviledges in the world. Even
: here on the NET your apartheid is in practise. For more than a year I have ch\
: allenged white South Africans to allow 1 (one) black amn to post on the net 
: to no avail. 

Ah, I was wondering when your favourite topic would come up again. What is this,
the third or the fourth time? Last time you started spouting about this 
someone (F. Jacot Guillarmod if I recall correctly) posted the e-mail addresses
of a few black students/staff members at Rhodes University. Did you try to
contact them? If so, perhaps you'd be good enough to tell us why they don't
contribute to s.c.a. In addition, I e-mailed you with an offer to help you
contact black students at UCT. Funnily enough, no reply.

 : You have produced the lame claim that blacks don't post because they don't want
: to post. This is ridiculous, only those who have something to fear or do not 
: posses the right would not post on the net.

You've never told us what your field of study is Paul. I hope it isn't 
psychology. There are probably a few hundred students at UCT with access to
NETNEWS, of those a minority are even aware of its existence, and of those a
small minority actually post regularly. You should also be aware that there are
other newsgroups besides s.c.a - do you check all of them for black South 
Africans? 

As for the `something to fear` bit; the ANC, PAC and other organisations have
been unbanned for a while now - since members of these organisations spread 
their views at meetings and in the media, I can hardly see why they should
fear Internet. 

I suggest a quick test for you. Count how many white South Africans you can 
find on Internet (you may even ignore the fact that many `coloured' South
Africans have names which would make you think they were white). Considering
that the number of black South Africans that have access is a small fraction
of the total (which is freely admitted, lamented, but NOT what your accusation
is based on), how likely is it that you have, purely by chance, never seen a posting by a black South African? 

[deleted]

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Brendt Wohlberg                       |
Electronic Engineering Department     |
University of Cape Town               |
e-mail: brendt@dip1.ee.uct.ac.za      |
        whlbre01@uctvax.uct.ac.za     |
        bwohlberg@eleceng.uct.ac.za   |
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From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: family still mourning...
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:46:23 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Nov11.175910.14173@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> jdcarmack@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>In article <08NOV92.01195702.0235.MUSIC@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>, B7IW@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA ("Wittaya La-orchan") writes:
>> ........
>>>> I'm afraid the blame must rest with those who ordered the shootings, rather
>...[stuff deleted]
>>
>> I agree with Khun Laurence in this subject that the blame must rest on whose
>> who ordered the shooting. I have read 'Decades' the magazine that inclusively
>> report the May crisis event, and I found that something illogical to me.
>> The report mentioned that the soldiers were very proud to kill or brutally
>> hurt the unarmed protestors. This is not a natural act.
>> 
>[stuff deleted]
>> 
>> I believe that these soldiers were misleaded by their superior through a
>> simple brainwash program. Imagine that these soldiers lived 500 km. from
>> Bangkok. The information that they've got is just from the gov. controlled
>> TV. or radio. What they saw is just a bunch of people try to destroy the
>> properties of the country. In addition, the term "communist", our no.1 enemy
>> brainwashingly known to us by the american during the vietnam war,
>> was used to describe the protestors. This is enough for these soldiers to
>> hate and of course pround to kill the protestors for the country.
>> I bet that when these poor soldiers knew what they've done they must live with
>> their guilt for the rest of their lifes.
>> 
>
>Indeed, that may well be the case, and something I had not considered.  In
>fact, the more I think about it, the more it would make sense.
>
>> Those senior officers should be the ones that must be punished.
>> And what the country need is "quality" free press and a larger scale of
>> communication.
>> 
>A free press is something that us Americans take for granted many times over,
>and it is the largest freedom that we enjoy.  I do not believe that any 
>society can stand for long without some type of guarantee that their govern-
>ment is not lying to them.  That is the stuff that leads to rebellion, 
>civil unrest, riots, demonstrations, or even outright civil war.  It is 
>probably one of the largest factors in every coup attempt that Thailand has
>ever had.  After all, if everyone trusted the government, why have a coup?
>
>> Wittaya.
>
>
>John Carmack
>Miami University
>Oxford, Ohio
>


You know what?  I think one of the key changes that needs to be done is
restructuralization of the military school.  These soldiers need to be
brain washed when they're still young to  to disengage themselves from
politics.  Petriotism is good but needs not be related  related to militarism.

Thian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: J066610@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Where to get Bangkok Post in N. California?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 05:34:39 GMT


Hello Netters,

Does anyone out there know where to get a copy of the Bangkok Post in
Northern California (preferably the South Bay area) ?

Thanks!
--Dan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: About the tribunal ruling
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.184314.13581@news2.cis.umn.edu>, bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()            writes...
> 
>Does anyone agree with me that the tribunal ruling was discusting,
>unjustifiable and unacceptable by all means?  I wonder if we can aford to
>waste our tax money hiring these crabs any longer.
> 
>Regards.
> 
>Thian
> 
Worse, it was shameful, laughable and highly insulting to the Thai people
and greatly damaging to Thailand's international reputation.  Unfortunately
I have to say that it was entirely expected and entirely consistent with
previous decisions by former Thai governments.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: jdcarmack@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Computer Software Industry in Thailand
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:48:43 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <0eyJs2G00Uh_M3FEpc@andrew.cmu.edu>, sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana) writes:
> Article-I.D.: andrew.0eyJs2G00Uh_M3FEpc
> Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
> Lines: 17
> 
> 
>     Many Thais and foreigners(companies) send private e-mails to me
> requesting information on Computer Software Industry in Thailand.  I am
> very delightful to see those of you are interested in the matter.  In my
> next posts, I've decided to reveal product/process/technology of this
> industry in three levels: micro, mini and mainfram computer.  I hope
> this information helps.  Please share your opinions and suggestions in
> the net.  I know there are a lot of you out there.
> 
> With Great Respect,
> Schitt  Laowattana
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------H
> e does not possess wealth;it possesses him.
> 
>                                     Benjamin Franklin, 1734
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have an Associates in data processing, and I'm now persuing (sp?) a
Bachelor's in Systems Analysis.  I, for one, would be very interested in
this topic.

John Carmack
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Part[2]: On going R&D projects in Thailand
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:50:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UeyogOy00iV489i2t6
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    This e-mail is sent to the Thai netnews and people who are
interested in S&TD in Thailand.  If you want to subscribe, plaese send
your name, postal & e-mail address, expertise to me.

Excerpts from mail: 6-Nov-92  by utai pitaktong@emx.cc.ut 

>....................Text deleted.........................................
>..................... Perhaps I will have a clearer idea when I learn more
>about some on going research (I mean the specific topics) 
>.........................................................................
>...............Text deleted................................................
> I really want to start from what is needed there. I wish you can, somehow,
> help me on this kind of information.


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roject: Computer Network

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3. Code and Software Studies for               *                 0.4
   Computerized Patent data Base

* Joint Research NECTEC-DOSS

Project:VLSI Design and Fabrication

1. Design and Fabrication &                  KMITL               3.0
   Prototype IC

2. CAD Software for VLSI                     KMITL               2.6
   Design "NECTEC I"

3. CAD Software dor VLSI                     KMITT               2.4
   Design "NECTEC II"

4. VLSI Comercialized                        CU                  1.2
   Sample Design

5. VLSI Commercialized                       KMITT               1.2
   Sample Design

6. VLSI Commercialized                       KMITL               1.2
   Sample Design


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Acronyms:

NECTEC: National Center for Electronics and Computer Technology
DOSS  : Department of Science Services, MoSTE
MoSTE : Minitry of Science, Technology and Environment
KMITT : King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Thonburi(Bangmod)
KMITL : King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Ladkrabang
CU    : Chulalongkorn University


Posted and circulated by

Schitt Laowattana
From: toaa@unixg.ubc.ca (Somchai Jitsuchon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Post Nov 10: Tribunal rules Amnesty decree still has effect
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:44:02 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

 
What a sad news.  Although this thing is not much beyond our expectation,
it still cool down my heart.  There seems to be no any sufficiently
influential institution in Thailand we can rely on in dealing with this
fundamental problem of power abuse of the ruling class (which has been
occurred again and again in our history).  It is particularly sad that this
failure happens even under the most favorable atmosphere like todays, in
which the aftermath of May crisis has not totally faded away and we have
the government that got its office through its promise (or seemingly
promise, at least in views of people who elected them) to tackle the
problem.  

What always disturbs my mind is the question why this government acts so
(too) compromisingly.  Is it their own choice?  Or what forces them to do
this and, if so, why do they have to listen (or even obey)?  Is it only
because of Mr. Chaun's indicisive nature, individually, or the
characteristic of the government as a whole?  I personally believe that
the government has a role to play, at least in current political
atmosphere.  If they do tackle this problem more offensively, no doubt
they gain massive public support (remember the time when Anand  managed to
reorganize the Army power before the election).  Why don't they?  Can
anyone give me some intuitive answers?  Please do not say that they have to
obey the law and hence the interpretation of the Tribunal (or even any courts). 
This always seems ridiculous to me.  As an supreme administration, it is
their own choice how to address problem and direct the solution, with the
maximum social benefit and 'real' justice in mind.  I don't have any
degree in law, too.  But I wonder if there is a loophole for a bad
government to prevent itself from being penalized from wrongdoing, why
isn't there any other loopholes or any legal procedures for a good government
to overturn and penalize those ex-governmental people?  After all, law is
just a social tool and has no value if it fails to prevent crimes and
reorder society. 


Somchai, UBC.


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What if the current system is a bad one, do we have to sacrifice every
thing just to maintain it?   Come on, Thailand needs too much changes,
don't be so conservative. 
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From: tun@quark.SFSU.EDU (Coban Tun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: thai troops reinforce border with burma
Date: 7 Nov 92 10:10:34 GMT
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UPn  11/06 0705  Thai troops reinforce border with Burma
 
   Mae Hong Son, Thailand (UPI) -- Thai army troops and Border Patrol Police
Friday reinforced positions along the kingdom's northwestern border, where about
600 Burmese soldiers were reported to have intruded about two miles into Thai
territory.
   The Burmese army intrusion appeared to be part of a major offensive against
ethnic Karenni insurgent camps in the remote border region, 375 miles
northwest of Bangkok.
   A Thai Air Force L-19 spotter plane flew over the Burmese troops as a
warning, an officer of the Thai Third Infantry Division told United Ptress
International.
   Thai troops fired smoke flares to warn the Burmese troops that they were
nearing Thai border guards, the officer said.
   He said about 200 troops from a combined Thai army and Border Patrol Police
unit called Task Force 35 were being deployed near the Burmese positions
around the Thai village of Ban Huay Nai Soy.
   Thai Villagers erected English language billboards outside their homes
warning the Burmese that they were inside Thailand, the officer said.
   Earlier this week a bombardment by Burmese army mortars forced about 2,000
civilians to flee across the border into Thailand.
   The fighting was part of a general dry season offensive by the Rangoon
junta against ethnic minority populations along Burma's eastern border.
   No reliable casualty figures were available. Thai newspapers said as many as
100 Burmese troops were killed, along with about 20 insurgents.
   A Thai military source said nine wounded Kerinni soldiers were being treated
at a Thai hospital in Mae Hong Son.
   The current Burmese offensive is aimed at troops of the Karenni National
Progressive Party, believed to number only a few hundred.
   Burmese troops were also reported to be be on the offensive against the much
stronger Karen National Union, which supports an army of about 3,000
well-trained jungle fighters.
   The Karen, Karenni, Shan and other ethnic minorities have been fighting
against the xenophobic Rangoon regime since 1962.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Being compromise ..& Ajarn Suluk?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.003611.5987@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda) writes:
>While we are discussing about the amnesty decree, many request for being
>Compromise. One of the reason is they afarid of further violent.
>That's fair enough in case that no lose of life. I don't want to see
>further crackdown as well. But it's unfair for the relatives of those
>who pass away. What I learned from recent news is
>   - Suchinda still playing golf every day.
>   - Mr.Nitthi Nakorntap will form a new political party for ACM Kaset,
>     and polticians from former Samakkitham party might join this party.
>
>Yes, let's us compromise, and wait and see another crackdown.
>
>What's about Ajarn Suluk? Did he kill anyone? Why there's no mercy from
>him? No compromise??
>
>I've learned from a friend of him that Ajarn Suluk is now in
>Japan. He has a tough time overthere, and the source said Ajarn Suluk would
>like to go home. However, it is unlikely for him to win the case and
>probably he might face the sentence.
>
>Yes, let's compromise and forgive murderers, but should be no mercy for
>a very good person like Ajarn Suluk.
>
>What's a funny country?
>
>Thanachart Numnonda
>
>U. of Auckland.
>


Yes, It's very absurd.  I'm confused myself why Acharn Sulak who never
kills anybody has to be sentenced while people who did never were and
probably never will be.  Here in the U.S too.  Can anybody tell me why
Lenard Peltier is still in prison with unfair trial where as a person who
ordered the killing of over 200000 innoscent Iraqy people was never
charged of any wrong doing?  Where is justice?
From: cf379@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J. Alan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Interested in Homosexuality in Thailand
Date: 10 Nov 1992 05:06:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings!
 
I am doing research on homosexuality in Thailand, and views
and attitudes toward it.  Any comments on this subject will
be most appreciated.

I guarantee full anonymity for anyone who responds.

Thank you for your cooperation!!
 
J. Alan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:56:14 GMT

bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:


>......... most of stuffs deleted

>Do you think the idea of ownership employee can be an alternative?

>Thian

Forgive my ignorance but what is the "ownership employee" ?

Samart

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