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From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Followup: misc.kids,alt.satanism,alt.romance.chat,talk.bizarre,misc.test
Organization: Institute for the Study of Modern Stupidity
Date:  8 Apr 92 05:44:57 GMT

forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:

>From article <28435@hoptoad.uucp>, by tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney):
>>>>(Just in case you are wondering, we do not engage anything criminal you
>>>>might be thinking is associated with our religion, e.g. human sacrifice,
>>>>animal sacrifice, drug use, abuse of any form...etc.)
>> 
>> In article house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:
>> kenr@sol.usc.edu (Ken Richards) writes:
>>>Then what do you do?  If it has nothing to do with what most people
>>>consider Satan to refer to, then are you just grandstanding, with your
>>>children the victims?  That is, if you believe in a non-evil religion,
>>>why give it a bad name when (I am sure) you could find a more
>>>descriptive title?
>> 
>> I agree completely.  Did you know there are also people who are using
>> the name of "Jews", even though they don't run the international banking
>> conspiracy or sacrifice Christian children at their ceremonies?  Why
>> would they subject their poor children to such a label when they are
>> really nothing like what we all think of when we think "Jew"?

>Aw come on!  Speak for yourself!   I am not Jewish, but neither have I
>_EVER_ thought of anything like you suggest all non-Jews think of when
>we hear the word "Jew".   The word "Satan" on the other hand, originated
>as the antithesis of the all good and loving God that Christians, Jews,
>and Muslims all venerate.   Satanists have borrowed their ideas of "Satan"
>from those religions, so that is why the practice of "Satanism" is not
>considered as socially acceptable as other, mainstream, faiths.   Even
>Paganism is not __specifically__ set up to oppose "God" the way Satanism
>is.

oh suzanne, sorry to have to be the one to point this out to you,
but tim was employing *irony* to make a *point*; I know these two
concepts (irony and points) are rather beyond your experience, but
please do make an effort every once in a while. wouldn't want you
to appear as more of a braindead twit than is strictly necessary.

and thank you ever so much. your very support of a position invalidates 
it. it is very very nice of you to support positions of which I personally
disapprove.

kind regards,
josh
From: i001703@disc.dla.mil (ann schrage)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they do, 14 month old
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:24:19 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


Last night I was bathing Debra when her father came into the bathroom to
sit potty. He was behind her, she was in the tub in her seat facing the 
door. My husband started to knock on the vanity and told her to look at
Daddy, but as soon as she heard the knock she stared at the door! She wouldn't
take her eyes off the door until he stopped knocking. We laughed.
ann schrage
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 14:15:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.131728.22569@gvl.unisys.com> paula@prc.unisys.com (Paula Matuszek) writes:

>Whether to start a child in kindergarten "early" always has to depend
>on the child.  

>Some factors to consider:

[lots of good stuff deleted]

What about those of us who won't be given a choice?  My husband and I
were August and September babies and started school the year we turned
five (and did pretty good, I think).  My daughter was born Aug 9, and if
she continues at the pace she's at now, she will be more than ready for
kindergarten when she turns five.  But Ohio is considering changing the
cutoff to August 1.  I think the idea of a cutoff date is stupid - if
they're ready, let them go.  If they're not ready, wait a year.  Like
Paula said, it (ought to) always depend on the child, not his birthdate.

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis)
Subject: Re: Golden books "chain letter"???
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:10:06 GMT

In article <3328@gdls.UUCP> eberle@gdls.UUCP (Kathy Eberle) writes:
>In article <4310121@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish) writes:
> Recently, my 5-year-old got a "chain letter" from a friend
> which is designed to (1) go to 6 friends, (2) is two levels
> deep (i.e. you get 36 replies), and you are supposed to send
> back an 88 cent golden book to the name at the top of the
> list.  It claims to be part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign".
> 
> Has anyone else seen this?  
> 
>Stuff deleted..
> Bill Parrish (bparrish@hprnd.rose.hp.com)

I received one of these chain letters last november -- haven't done
anything about it -- would like to know if it is legit -- if
it is truely part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign" -- is there
such a Campaign?
Grace Chen-Ellis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mimi@apollo.hp.com (Mimi Wellington)
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:41:20 GMT

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I didn't see the original request, but, if it was for rain-related
songs, I'd like to contribute my favorite lullabye.  It's from
the movie "The Court Jester" starring Danny Kaye (it's on videotape),
and I remember the words as being:

        Lourra Lou, I'll take you dreaming
        Through the stormy night,
        To a land beyond the raindrops
        Where the stars are bright.

        You may not find gold or silver,
        But a richer prize
        Waits for you behind the raindrops
        If you close your eyes.         

        Tonight, tonight,
        While all the world's asleep,
        We will tiptoe home with a wond'rous star,
        A star you can always keep.

        Years from now, when you go dreaming,
        When you're very old,
        Though your crown be rich with rubies,
        Diamonds set in gold,
        
        None will shine so bright
        As the star we will find tonight.
                                  
I sang this to Lily every night for quite a long time.  She doesn't
like it as much as I do, though.  (She wants "We Three Kings" for 
her bedtime lullabye most nights--go figure.  Oh, and she calls
"We Three Kings" "Star of One"--you know, it's got the line "Star
of 'one'-der, star of light." But I digress.:-)

                                                --Mimi Wellington
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you know? (was: Woman's figure")
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:25:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Apr14.195655.27611@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> patti@nestor.uucp (80122-stankovich) writes:
>>
>That's funny -- something similar happened to us.
>We had been trying for about 8 months, so far, nothing
>had happened.  January 4th of this year, I did a home
>pregnancy test and it came back positive.  I did a second
>one the next day (just to make sure I didn't mess up the
>first one) and that came back positive.  Anyway, to make
>a long story short, I called my mother to tell her the good
>news and before I could even get it out, she said "I know,
>you're pregnant".  When I asked her how she knew, she said
>she could tell by looking at my face when I was over at
>Christmas.  I'm glad she knew at Christmas, because I
>sure didn't!

On the other hand, I tried to get pregnant for 18 months. I
had a very high profile time of it. Everyone knew I was trying.
People were constantly telling me that they were sure I was pregnant,
and that they were always right about these things. For the first
few cycles I actually believed these people, and it just added to
the dissapointment.

Laura Floom
From: gelman@imasun.lbl.gov (Frida Gelman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: OB .vs. a Midwife
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:37:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22741
Reply-To: gelman@imasun.lbl.gov (Frida Gelman)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.44


	I agree with the general trend that midwives have much more time
to answer your questions and are much better equiped to offer alternative
positions, pain control, etc. during labor/delivery. I had OBs for
both of my babbies because my insurance doesn't pay for midwives.
I went to a practice with 2 female OBs plus 2 nurse practicioners who
see patients prenataly. I really thought that it would be better if
my children were delivered by a woman. For my first baby, my OB never
even got to the hospital even though she was on call. He was delivered
by some doctor who wasn't even an OB. In my hospital they have several
levels of calls. First they try to locate your doctor, then they page
any available OB, then any available MD, then the labor nurses deliver
your baby. In my case any available MD turned out to be a surgeon who
was in the hospital at the time and was already scrubbed. The second
baby was delivered by an OB on call. He was OK, but a stranger I never
met before. Since both of my labor/deliveries were very easy and quick
I didn't really require a lot of support, but I wouldn't want to
have a hard labor with one of these doctors. 


--
Frida Gelman 
All opinions are those of the author
gelman@imasun.lbl.gov
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking natural fiber maternity clothes
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:58:13 GMT
Reply-To: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
|>   I've seen a book about using regular clothes as maternity clothes several
|> times.  The title has completely left my mind, but I believe it was written
|> by a model, and the times I've flipped thru it, it seemed to have some
|> good ideas to get you started.

I can't stand anything tight around my waist right now, and so pants
that had plenty of room to grow weren't comfortable.  With my mom's
advice and help, we converted them to drawstring pants (similar to
sweats).

Shirred elastic:
--rip out the waistband and remove the elastic
--make a small opening in the front for the cords to come out
--sew the waistband back in
--thread cord through the waistband 

The cord costs about 29cents/yard at fabric stores.

For nonshirred waistbands, all you have to do is make an opening and
pull the old elastic out.  You can then thread cord through.  

Good luck!

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

p.s.  are there _any_ comfortable maternity pantyhose?  Every brand
I've tried seems to be the same size as pre-pregnancy pantyhose--they
stretch, but they're too tight to be comfortable
From: eberle@gdls.UUCP (Kathy Eberle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Golden books "chain letter"???
Summary: Got one.
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:44:47 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

In article <4310121@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish) writes:
> Recently, my 5-year-old got a "chain letter" from a friend
> which is designed to (1) go to 6 friends, (2) is two levels
> deep (i.e. you get 36 replies), and you are supposed to send
> back an 88 cent golden book to the name at the top of the
> list.  It claims to be part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign".
> 
> Has anyone else seen this?  
> 
Stuff deleted..
> Bill Parrish (bparrish@hprnd.rose.hp.com)

I received one of these.  It seemed like a good idea.  I sent a book and 6
more letters out, but never received one book in return!  Some friends of mine
that had received them at the same time that I did, did receive a couple books,
but no one I know received anywhere near 36.

Oh well,

Kathy Eberle
From: donaldsn@dill.Kodak.COM (Liz Donaldson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 800 number for Hedstrom
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:03:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

Does anyone know a 800 number for Hedstrom.
Even a non 800 number will do. I bought a Hedstrom
swingset a number of years back and need some replacement
parts.

Thanks,
Liz Donaldson
donaldsn@kodak.com


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: more on gestational age
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:35:34 GMT

In article <17676@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>>From article by lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom):
>>
>>> BTW, the little chart they use doesnt take into consideration leap day, so
>>> those of you that conceived before leap day are really due a day earlier. I
>>> bet that makes you all very happy!
>
>Actually, some of them do.  When I went to my first OB appointment with
>my current pregnancy (late 1991), they gave me a due date of 40 weeks
>plus one day, based on the little "wheel" calculator.  I asked them
>to recalculate it in 1992, and they gave me a date of exactly 40 weeks,
>with a new, 1992 "leap year" wheel.  The difference, obviously, was
>the inclusion of Feb. 29 this year!
>
That must be high tech model. I had a friend who's OB used the wheel to 
determine a Feburary 31 due date!

Laura


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Six YO "Meany"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:24:00 GMT

>In article <1992Apr10.210836.29766@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:
>>I have a six year old son (seven in two weeks) and he is soooooo mean!!
>>He chokes his two brothers and his "friends" for no good reason - We
>>use time-outs as punishment and do not understand this - perhaps another
>>kid had choked him before?????   At any rate - I would be interested in
>>finding out if anyone else has encountered this problem - he also hits,
>>kicks, bites, you name it!!!!
>>
>>Help I'M GOING OUT OF MY MIND!!!
>>
>>Thanks in advance!!!
>>

Does his behavior occur after watching certain programs on TV or 
certain movies? Does it occur at certain times of the day? I would
start taking notes of when these things occur, who is around, what 
they are doing, etc, and look for a possible pattern.

                              Patti Twigg
From: Sandra_Petit@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Sandra Petit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: holding a kid back in school
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:57:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Sandra_Petit.0blm
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Tue  7 Apr 92 18:27, Poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (vivienne P
wrote:
  quoted from someone else
> And how is your 5 year old going to know they were 'held back'? Why
> tell them? 
Vivienne's reply:
 PP> You are underestimating a 5 year old. You don't have to tell them.
 PP> They
 PP> know before you do where their preschool playmates are going for 
 PP> kindergarten. I think these days even children shielded at
 PP> home attend part time preschools or play groups. They talk about it
 PP> with friends their own age.

     I have to agree with Vivienne.  In our area we have "Pre-K". The kids
are tested using the Gesell or Dial-R test. (They recently changed test) 
If they are judged immature for kindergarten they go into the Pre-K.  These
kids don't need Mom or Dad to tell them they didn't "make it" to
kindergarten.  The kindergarten and older kids tell them.  This is
particularly true if the school is not an "only kindergarten" school but a
full primary school which contains grades Pre-K to 6th or older.  Kids are
honest (though they don't always know the full story) and not always so
diplomatic!

          Sandie

-- Via DLG Pro v0.991

Internet: sandra_petit@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US
    UUCP: rex!agwbbs!sandra_petit
Newsgroups: misc.kids



Last night, 19 month old Laura was watching Mom breast feed 8 week
old Rachel.  Laura went and got her water-baby, lifted her shirt, and placed
the water-baby's mouth in the vicinity of her nipple.  When nothing
happened, she sternly commanded "eat!".  


							  Doug Olney
							  Santa Rosa,
							  CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Auto Accident -- Child Dies
Keywords: kids, accidents
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 22:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.195306.6805@leland.Stanford.EDU> michelle@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Michelle Kalehzan) writes:
>Speaking of accidents....Last Sunday we were on a picnic at a very nice
>local park in Cupertino, CA, when we were the *only* witnesses to a 2 or 3
>year old little girl falling into a pond.  Earlier I had noticed that this
>little girl and her twin sister were running around with apparently no
>parental/adult supervision.  What a shock it was when she fell into the
>pond--into water over her head--went down two times and was sinking, when
>my husband jumped in and pulled her out.  The little girl was shaking and
>freezing and almost unable to speak.  I took her by the hand and started
>looking for her mother.  Finally, we found her sitting on the grass *far*
>from the site of the near drowning.  She just laughed and said, "What
>happened?!".  My husband wanted to really yell at her.  It was very
>sickening.  I fear for this child.  So, moral is: parents! (me included!)
>watch your kids!  They could be lost in a second.  This child would have
>*definitely* drowned if we hadn't seen her fall in.


I hope your husband responded with "What happened was that your child fell
into a pond and nearly drowned and you're damn lucky I was there to stop her."
My best friend calls these years the "suicide prevention years" and for good
reason.  Now, Erin gets away from me quite frequently because I look away for
one second and she's FAST!  But you'll find me scouring the area looking for 
her.  

By the way, for those with young toddlers that do tend to escape, I find the
best thing is to hit the most dangerous areas first.  For example, at church
sometimes Erin will slip away unnoticed (I TRY to watch her, really I do). 
I head straight for the parking lot.  Once I'm sure she hasn't run into the
street, I go to the sanctuary which is where she usually goes.  But I'm MOST
interseted in making sure she isn't in danger.  If there were a pool around,
that would ALWAYS be the first place I'd look.

Anyway, this is one strategy that I think really works well.  Thought I'd pass
it along.
-- 
I finally decided what I want on my tombstone...

	"Here lies Judy Leedom Tyrer.  The world will never see another like 
	 her.  We are undecided on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing."
From: statar@cbnewse.cb.att.com (sherry.l.tatar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Skipping Grades (Was Re: Starting Kindergarten)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:39:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <92101.162853CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>:
> 
> My brother's experiences were not quite as good as Shari's.  He was somewhat
> shy & since he stayed in the same grade school, he always felt singled out
> for having skipped a grade (it was not a common practice at his school).
> Although he needed the academic challenge, he was not socially ready to skip
> a grade.  Perhaps it would have worked out better if he had changed schools.
> 
> By high school, I think he felt like he "fit in" better, but years later, my
> parents comment that in retrospect they wish that they had pursued other
> options to give him more academic challenges without skipping a grade.  And
> my brother agrees.  He is now a well-adjusted (at least I think so) and
> successful attorney.  But some of his childhood memories are of the loneliness
> he felt because of skipping 2nd grade and "leaving behind" his friends.

I did not skip a grade, but probably should have.  I did not have lots
of friends in school even though they were my own age.  I was shy, and
I did very well in school.  I did get to do some subjects with the kids
a year older.  I could have easily graduated from high school 1-2 years
early, I did get out of college one year early.  I chose to stay in
high school as long as I did so I could finish with the people I'd known
since kindergarten.  No one ever told me that skipping a grade (before
high school) was on option.  I also got married right after high school,
would've been nice if I'd have been halfway done with college at that
point, we wouldn't have been so poor for 3 years!

Sherry
From: scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Trouble Conceiving, or Just Bad Luck?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:13:53 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


Hi Netters,

	It's been three years since the birth of our first child, and my 
wife and I decided it was time for number two.  We've been trying to 
conceive for about 4 months now with no success, and we were wondering
if we should start worrying about this yet.  Can anyone offer some insight?
Some data points:
	-My wife's 38.  Does it become harder to conceive as the years acrue?
	-She had a rather difficult labor (2 months premature, ~38 hour 
	labor).
	-With our son, it seemed like we conceived right away (1st month).

As her clock is ticking, and keeping up with the kids gets harder as the 
years go on, we feel as though we have to make some hard decisions as to 
whether to abandon the project or not.  Thanks to anyone who can provide us 
with some information or personal experiences.

scooter


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From: bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:12:57 GMT
Subject: Golden books "chain letter"???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Recently, my 5-year-old got a "chain letter" from a friend
which is designed to (1) go to 6 friends, (2) is two levels
deep (i.e. you get 36 replies), and you are supposed to send
back an 88 cent golden book to the name at the top of the
list.  It claims to be part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign".

Has anyone else seen this?  I thought asking for things of
value in a chain letter was illegal, but maybe that's an
u.l. (???)

Is it really part of something called the "U.S. Literacy
Campaign"?  

Anybody want to receive the letter?       :-)


Bill Parrish (bparrish@hprnd.rose.hp.com)
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