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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TV

> I recorded it...my TV Guide (the real thing...accept no cheap newspaper
> substitutes) listed it correctly.

Tacky, tacky, tacky!!  When you said yesterday that it was at 8, I said
that it was listed in the Starkville Daily News TV Guide for 9.  And you
didn't correct me!  I'm suspicious of people who buy the real TV Guide.
I think what they really want to do is read about the soaps.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle%VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: moving day
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Need any boxes?

-scott (huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu)
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>
>> Before I took Latin, I could never figure out what a direct/indirect object
>> was.
>
>And how has it helped you to know what a direct or indirect object is?

I learned what the rules were--things in the accusative case were the
direct object, and I had to learn how to integrate those words into
the rest of the sentence.  Indirect objects are in the dative case,
and my understanding of them worked just the same way as did my
understanding of direct objects.  For the first time in Latin I was
shown the rules as to how to determine what the part of speech
was--not just shown examples and iron-clad conditions.

>
>> I didn't really know how to use tense.
>
>That sounds serious.  Did you simply omit verbs, did you speak in the
>present tense all the time, or did you speak in infinitive forms?

No, no, I meant that I didn't know how when to use the past
pluperfect, the future pluperfect, etc.  I just used 'had'
generically.

>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

--Adam, wondering if this makes sense but not caring if it does or not
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Subject: Re: words-l history

I'm sure we could get one of the ethnographers on the Qualrl-l@uga
list on qualitative research to undertake the analysis.  Several have
been making inquiries about such projects lately.

JAG
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From:         leah <LEAH%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ashe and AIDS
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Anne- why is it news? And what makes it anybody's business? I am not flaming;
I really would like to know what distinguishes it from gossip. Ashe's death
would be sad news, but why is his illness any news at all?
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My penmanship is messy too.
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On Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:54:00 CDT 815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 said:
>My penmanship is messy too.  I print almost everything.  The reason
   mine too.                     me too.

>may be that I skipped the grade that covered cursive writing ...

   Yup, I skipped third grade in Phoenix Public Schools.
Was supposed to spend the summer practicing handwriting....hah.....like
THIS smartass kid could be made to spend hours making loops and swirls and
squiggles and such.   My mother gave up.

>I learned to read at the age of 3 and the Milwaukee Public Schools
>didn't know where to put someone who had accomplished on his own
>what took them two years to teach to other kids.  My mom and dad

    Also learned to read at three....partly because my mother read to
me a lot.  (she has now retired after 42 years in second grade....never
could get to third....  8-)     )

   Despite the similarities, at least I didn't become an economist!
(though I did attend, graduate from, and work at NIU)

dan
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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> Curioser and Curioser -- on my node, I can use either of two newsreading
> programs, 'nn' or 'rn'.  I usually prefer nn, but recently I've been
> getting messages like 'nnmaster has not updated the databases in <multiple
> tens of> hours' -- so I go to rn, and lo and behold, *hundreds* of
> postings.

I think that means that the "nn thread" (??) is broken.  I get most
annoyed when I see that message about "nnmaster" -- and naturally send
bitchy notes to Frank Peters, telling him how upsetting it is when nn
is sick because I detest rn (mainly because I don't remember many of
the rn commands -- same for trn).  I don't think your nn problem is
related to the list problems though.  I just found out that the UGA
nameserver is sick.  That's what's causing the delays in mail.  (I have
no idea why it's finding some places more easily than other places.  But
then I have no idea how a nameserver works.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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On Wed, 15 Apr 1992, Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore wrote:
> The dress code is starting to make a comeback in NYC public schools,
> with some schools requiring uniforms to keep students from shooting
> each other over Nikes, and to keep poor students from being ostracized
> for not having the newest fashions.  I hope the idea spreads.
>
It's been suggested by some parents in our small town district...I think
they're nervous about shooting incidents over gang jackets, etc. in
Houston (only 20 miles away).  It seems as if it would be pretty hard to
enforce if you instituted it in all grades at once...I can see it
starting one year in kindergarten and adding a grade each year.
ndh (whose children, thank goodness, have already graduated)
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: flaming fye
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              04 Apr 92 18:14:57 CST." <9204041938.aa14458@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>:
>Sorry, I wanted to add a PS to that : About "How to define a weird topology
>on an algebraic object". Find something else for yourself - I am taking this
>one.
>
>tushar

Well then, have a go at it.  Actually, we're verging on territory that gets
difficult to put in e-mail.  People actually exchanging real research through
e-mail tend to do it in TeX, but I doubt we want to inflict that on this list.

Let's see now.  What's left for me?  Shall I plumb the depths of category
theory for something truly obtuse?  Nah, I don't understand KAN extensions
anyway.  And drawing the diagrams will get tough.  MotherFunctor is a fun
term, but I don't think I could do it justice.

Sheaves of germs of holomorphic functions?  Schemes, pre-schemes?  Getting too
close to your topic maybe.

I'll have to think about it.  It's your turn at the blackboard anyway.

- Dr. DR
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From:         leah <LEAH%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Isaac Asimov
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I belief I read also that he said that he would turn down an opportunity to
 take a space voyage. The thrust of what I remember is that explorations of
the mind and the imagination were sufficient.
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
              7 Apr 1992 15:31:38 CDT from <ajl1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

Aimee,
  Russian is an easy language to learn.  After a week, I felt very
comfortable with the alphabet.  Once you get past the cases, and if
you've studied Latin you've got that, the language itself is a piece
of cake.

Evelyn
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              10 Apr 92 10:38:44 EDT." <9204101119.aa19435@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Judith Schrier <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>:
>
>> (Judith had tea, or coffee. Must
>>have been the designated driver for the URI crew.)
>Just so...the RI crew, that is.
>

I forgot to mention, Paul had the Kendall Chablis and pronounced it "not bad".
The Tall Tale Pale Ale didn't come anywhere near measuring up to my favorite
brew Bass Ale (I'm not counting Scotches).  It didn't taste like mud though.

>I am happy to report that my words-kids are not only brilliant
>and nice, but also every one beautiful. And so are their friends.

And so's our mama!

- Don R
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: nouns
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:01:47 GMT


I wrote:
>>
>> idempotent? IDEMPOTENT? Leave it to G to bring everything round to sex!
>>
>> --Bayla

And Rashmi responded:

>Huh?
>Idempotent is a quantity (or operator) that is unchanged by
>multiplication by itself.  Unity is idempotent, as is any identity
>matrix.

>Nothing at all to do with sex, Bayla

---But I should think that "multiplication by itself" surely has "to do
with sex" -- and if it can remain "unchanged," avoiding the blindness and
insanity usually invoked as consequences, then it will be potent indeed,
and some operator!

--bayla

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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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>The systems are internalized by the native speaker.  That doesn't mean the
>native speaker can tell you why he or she uses this suffix rather than that
>one, this case rather than that one or whatever.  They "know" the systems but
>not the rules.  However, the speaker can, if he or she chooses and is given the
>opportunity, formally learn the rules through grammar classes, spelling
>classes, observation, etc.

I agree with everything you have said except for your use of the word
"rules."  To me the rules of language are what you are calling "systems."
For example, there is a phonological rule in English that results in
aspiration in the [p] in "pill" but not in the [p] in "spill."  It's
not a rule anybody studies formally (except linguists studying phonology).
It's one of the many rules a small child picks up effortlessly and
unconsciously when acquiring English.  If you don't follow the rule,
you will have a foreign accent.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:14:19 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re : fresh meat

Sigh. Just as I sent a sufficiently pompous letter deploring the
potential degeneracy of a thread, I got some more words-l mail. The
inevitable HAS happened. And now of course it is just going to be an
enormous load on my mail file as supremely brilliant wisecracks about
wrestling and pants fly around.

I should have known better than adopt a sage's pose. Anyway, go on,
pit-bulls. Don't worry about me. I will suffer through it somehow.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:28:19 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Mail bar codes
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>Does anyone know how to read the bar codes found on mailed envelopes these
>days? Or at least where I can get the info.  The guys as the post office hadn't
>a clue.

There's a TrueType package of mail bar codes on sumex-aim.stanford.edu with
accompanying documentation on how to create a proper bar code and what goes
where. It's been a while since I looked for it. Let me know if you can't find
it.

-abh
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re: English geeks

>   I would in no way classify myself as an English Geek or any
> combination thereof, but span the range - I have a BS in Computer
> Science and Applied Mathematics and a minor in English.  I remember
> the enthusiasm from my English advisor when I discussed the minor -
> she found it refreshing that someone in the hard science curriculum
> was so interested in English. To me, the arts represented the rounding
> out of my personality.  I regularly saw Physics professors and other
> 'hard science' people at music and art events.  One Physics professor
> even had his own classical music show on the campus radio station.
> As I took a few years (7) to get my BS, I suppose I had time to
> understand and appreciate other things, something many students
> intent only on the 4yr degree often miss.

> Theresa Wild
> TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU

I agree that anyone in college who doesn't take advantage of the
opportunity to take a wide range of classes is missing out.  I did
my BA in 4 years (I wish I could have taken longer, but the money
wasn't there), but managed to squeeze a *lot* in - not as much as
I'd have liked, but still a lot.

I think the encouragement of studying a variety of subjects is one of
the benefits of a liberal arts school (ok, a little proselytizing
here - ooh, I got that one right before looking at a dictionary!).
I was a math major, but also took courses in physics, astronomy,
economics (yes, I admit it), philosophy, russian (forgot most of it,
tho), anthropology, music, sign language...that's all I can
remember right now.

I later went back and got my degree in library and information
science, but I'm still interested in other things - I just started
an introductory drawing class (always wanted to, but could never
fit it in).  I figure that there is a lot out there that I know
little or nothing about (or...about which I know little or nothing!),
so I can keep doing this forever! YEA!

Jill

P.S.  One of the great things about working as a reference librarian
(which I did for a short while) is that you get to keep learning
more and more about more and more.  (I hope that makes sense?)

**************************************************
Jill Werts                 (wertsj%dialog@mci.com)
Dialog Information Services
   (...uh-oh, it's another librarian!)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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How strong *was* that porter, anyway?
ndh
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Frank McLellan admits, "I know of nothing to suggest that Robert
E. was not a good general.  Even good generals don't always win."

Note I said General George made Robert E. Lee look good.  There's
a subtle difference.  Lee was good (the war department offered him
command as the war was breaking out, but he was a Virginian first.)
General George had Lee outnumbered and had he been more aggressive
during the peninsular campaign he could have forced his way into
Richmond by sheer mass of force; and he completely botched Antietam,
when he had Lee's plans and held some reserves when he could have
trapped the entire rebel army north of the Potomac.

Steve Karlson
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in

     At the risk of causing gales of laughter, T. Ronin used to be
used as an editor for the journal "Interfaces" (put out by ORSA/TIMS)
when he was at Mines and studied under its editor-in-chief.  One of my
virtues (at the time) was my spelling was impeccable.  I have lost
that characteristic (Everyone say, "No, really?  It doesn't show.")
and am slowly rebuilding it.

The Ronin
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:52:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>
>     While I agree in general, pencils are very good for sketching out
>engineering ideas and I find a watch necessary to fit in with society.
>I have a habit of going 30-36 hours straight, then crashing for a bit,
>then doing another long stretch.  Having the watch reminds me when I
>am not following the norms.
>
Norms?  Vector or matrix: one-norms, two-norms, or infinity norms?

Evelyn
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Subject:      RE: descriptivism

Waileth       Mark Susskind <NY911179@PACEVM.BITNET>

> If grammar sounds correct to me, then it is correct grammar, right?  Why is it
> then that more than a few of my elemenatary and junior high school teachers
> deducted points for grammar on some of my written work, even though it seemed
> like correct grammar to me?

     Because there are so many 'people' (are they really?) who set up
the curricula for those age groups as if chidren were stupid instead
of ignorant.  It might also have something to do with how often the
emphasis in a teacher's education is on how to teach and not the
subject to be taught.  I was disgusted to find out that I had covered
more math by the end of my freshman year than was required to teach
high school math.

The Ronin
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Date: 15 Apr 92 21:34:23 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <9204150744.AA14221@isis.sics.se> torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
:Graham writes:
:
:  >Natalie's meaning has been perfectly clear all along.  She concludes
:  >no such thing.  She was saying that if human culture degenerated to
:  >such a state, there would be nothing wrong in the language paralleling
:  >it by reducing to a system of grunts.
:
:  You're failing to take into account the course of the argument. I have
:emphasized that it has not been suggested by me that there is anything
:wrong with a system of grunts.


I'm failing to *understand* the course of your argument.  You keep
saying the same thing over and over without making the meaning
any clearer.  Could you perhaps rephrase your argument differently?

G
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Post-pre-clam-slam
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   What a delightful group of people! This clambake is going to
be one spectacular event.

   Naturally I had trouble finding the Cambridge Brewing Co., and about
20 yards from the place encountered another lost soul.

   "Are you . . ?" she said.

   "Yes," I said. "Joan?"

   "No," she said. "Anne Haycock."

   I made her guess who I was. Finally she gave up and I had to tell her.
The CBCo. is behind a Japanese Restaurant in a restored brick mill or
factory building. They make their own beer on the premises, attested to
by huge stainless steel vats. Later, I had Pale; Rita said the porter was
mud from Boston harbor.

   Couldn't spot anyone in a white windbreaker with U. Lowell on it, but
the waitress realized, "Oh you're the computer people who don't
know each other. Right back here."

   Judith looked exactly as I had imagined her, but I was so stunned
by her biker outfit that I was at a loss to identify any of the other
women. "I know jack shit" indeed! Rod and Don I got because of their
descriptions, which made Paul easy. Jim from URI who is the nicest
guy to talk to stumped me completely. Jim is the one who found us
our bakemaster.

   So we yacked and laughed. Judith fed me a piece of zucchini.
Rod left early, and Joan, who is eminent in early music circles,
had a rehearsal to get to. Rita's Nico joined us a little later.
The pre-clam-slam ended too early, but I have promises to keep . . .

   I walked back to Central with Rita and Nico and descended into
the T station.

   Oh, and no one had an accent except Nico, who pronounced "aunt"
as "ant."

Bill
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder
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> Where in Southern France?

Villefranche-sur-mer.  I first picked it out on a map and later went
through there on a train a couple of times.  One time I got off of the
train and ate lunch in Villefranche.  It's my ideal setting -- all the
natural beauty of the Riviera without the glitzy person-made ugliness
added.  It's a quietly elegant fishing village.

> Why in southern France? I bet some people are dying to get to the same
> state that New Orleans is in. Or even the same state that you are in.

La Nouvelle-Orleans sux en comparaison de Villefranche.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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