HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Skeptical Envelopment <APOEHLER@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: goofy lettering on GD I
Reply-To: APOEHLER@ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:54:37 GMT

Okay, I checked the FAQ so no flames, please.  While listening to my vintage
vinyl copy of _The Grateful Dead_ (the first album) I noticed, not for the 
first time, the odd runic-looking lettering above the group name on the front
cover.  My wife and I puzzled over it for far too long, trying to figure out
if it says anything and what it might say, before giving up.  Anybody else have
any information or theories on this?  BTW, the cover's by Mouse, not Rick 
Griffin--just in case someone was thinking about bringing up the "I ATE THE
ACID" on the cover of AOXOMOXOA.
On another subject, our CD player's in the shop for repairs, so we figured we'd
take this opportunity to build up our tape collection a bit more.  If anyone
has boards of Sunday Deer Creek show from this year, high-quality tapes of
7/19/87 Autzen Stadium Eugene OR (I need the first two sets and the full en-
core), copies of the original vinyl mixes of Anthem Of The Sun and Aoxomoxoa,
or a variety of non-Dead tapes, send me some E-mail with your list and maybe
we can set something up.  I've got bunches of tapes to trade, prefer Maxell
XL-II, no dolby (now you know, those of you following the tedious Maxell vs.
TDK thread).
--------------Aaron
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sgilbert@utkvx4.utk.edu (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: RFK show
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:32:00 GMT

Hey, now!
	I just got back to school this semester, so this is the first chance
I have had to check the net.  Anyway, the June 20th RFK show was my first 
Dead show.  Absolutely unbelievable!  Anyway, I know it has probably been 
discussed a thousand times over the summer, so could someone mail me their 
opinions and thoughts on the show?  I've been dying to discuss it with 
someone.  Also, I'm still trying to get a tape of the show.  If anyone has 
this, please write me!  My list is very small, but I'll trade whatever to 
get the RFK show.
	Peace.
	Steve
	sgilbert@utkvx.utk.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: columba!jol@alux2.att.com
Subject: MIDI Shareware
Reply-To: columba!jol@alux2.att.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:51:04 GMT


Hi all,

Sorry for the LODC.
I saw an add for free Sequencer software in my latest Home & Studio
Recording Magazine. It is called Orpheus v2.0 by Circa Industries in
Reston, VA. This add says you can download it from any midi bbs that
has it. It doesn't say what bbs has it though. I called the number
in the add but have not received a return call. 
Well, my question is, does anyone know of any BBS that has this software?
If you do, would you be so kind as to let me know about it? E-mail me
directly or post it to Dead-Flames.

Thanks much in advance !!!!

Joe Ledva
columba!jol@alux2.att.com
Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 09:38:18 -0400 
From: "Lisa M. Smith" <ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: shave and a haircut

i don't care if they all come back looking like clones of Bill Clinton,
so long as they ALL come back.

lms

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Kris Durgin <t-krisd@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: cancer rumors, etc.
Reply-To: t-krisd@microsoft.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:59:06 GMT

The West coast hotline two or three weeks ago said:

Jerry will return to good health.
He has borderline diabetes & an enlarged heart, also chronic health 
problems from smoking.
As per doc's orders, he will stop smoking, lose weight, and exercise.

Cancer rumors are unfounded and unnecessary.  Spread the word, Jerry 
*will* be back. :-)

kris
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: WYO Safe!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:10:08 GMT

In article <3590@unisql.UUCP>,
wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.192354.26665@morrow.stanford.edu> EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara) writes:
>>              STOP BUYING BLACK HILLS GOLD!!!!
>
>        Don't some of the local Native American artisans work in Black
>Hills Gold?

ees possible, i don't know EVERYthing about it, but my point is not
that a few may work there for minimum wage, but that the Black Hills
is a sacred place, it shouldn't have been desecrated by the white
men so that they could sell the gold and make millions. one thing i
do know, the mine isn't OWNED by natives, as the black hills once
were (and still are, by the terms of the 1868 Laramie Treaty).

any other questions?
lara
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Chris Doane <cmd2x@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: Help!
Reply-To: cmd2x@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:00:14 GMT

Hi Everyone,

I'm new around here since I just recently discovered Dead-Flames.  This is
great and I really enjoy it.  
If someone could help me, I would really appreciate it.  I'm looking for a
tape of 6-20-92 RFK.  I was at this show and it was a pretty amazing.  I'm
VERY desperate for a tape!  I have some shows to trade that are high quality.

Thanks Again and Peace!
-Chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ADJS000 <ADJS@nmumus.bitnet>
Subject: THE DEADICATED II WHEEL
Reply-To: ADJS@nmumus.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:24:00 GMT

I think we've had all possibilities entertained, and have completely
`round... so-- How about a CD made up of non-Dead bands, playing non-
Dead tunes???;)
Jim
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: "great" 92 shows
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:48:49 GMT
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA

In article <1992Sep1.210455.24418@news.acns.nwu.edu> tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall) writes:
>  Joe-
>  Vegas 5/29/92-  Not because of the set list, or the playing,
>or the wonderful hospitality we enjoyed until some asshole shit
>in the Circus Circus parking lot- because of the
>                    LIGHTNING!!!!

Was that LAZY LIGHTNING?

Who'z got the photos? I'm always asked to do lightning photos but
after seeing what happened to a house here on Sacramento Peak and the
fact that New Mexico ranks second to Florida for the most total
lightning days, I tend to avoid standing out in lightning storms. My
karma confidence isn't that high:-)

>  Uncle Bobo booked God for the light show!
Amen to that!

Yeah eagle, Laramie has about the same number days of lightning, ~50
per year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/ | \<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Bonnie Rait (sp?)
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:45:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.132743.26364@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> SBA@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is anyone going to catch Bonnie Rait in Hersey PA this Sat (29th)?

It's too late she got married:-(   :-) :-) :-) 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>dtodd@well.sf.ca.us            / | \                               <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Deadheads
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

Just got back from a long hot lunch.  Don't feel like working yet, so I
thought I'd blow some smoke around:-)


In article <oeaux=S00Uh783JVp8@andrew.cmu.edu> ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Smith) writes:
|
|It's bad enough when the outside world doesn't accept us, without us not
|accepting each other.
|
|-lms



If we don't accept each other, we *are* in the outside world (OW).

But acceptance is no simple matter.  In the OW, lines are drawn around
"rights" and "property."  We
criticize actions that harm other individuals or collective entities.  This
does not get in the way of acceptance -- in many ways, the ensuing dialogue
is the essence of acceptance.  That is, if a dialogue does ensue.  Often it
does not, meaning that one or the other party has not accepted.

Having said that, I don't know what the guidelines might be here inside the
DW.  For one thing, I've been around enough to know that a lot of things
that I would have rejected out of hand have become immensely valuable to me
(... in the strangest of places if you look at it right).  For another, the
metaphor of the family suggests a different point of view.  Being in a
family is a wonderful form of acceptance.  But it is not licence -- that we
get from strangers, like oppression.

The special thing about the DW to me is that I feel the sense of connection
even with people with whom I have nothing else in common.  Like a
European's sense of identity, it is holographic: it cannot be captured in
any concrete list of likes and dislikes; and should not be destroyed by
losing anything at all.  The fact that people care enough to flame away
like they do is some sort of evidence.  I might wish for a bit more
tolerance, a bit less hubris.  But I accept them all, as they accept me.
The great thing about any family is that no one votes on membership.

Of course, the net is a bit different.  We are all masquers here, and that
anonymity magnifies some of the same bizarre character traits that gave us
net access in the beginning.  Deadheads of my generation might see
themselves as aunts/uncles, but we are only human, and this ain't no
hierarchy.

						Jonathan
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: DAT versus VHS
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:21:47 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep1.141901.8482@vicorp.com> mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous) writes:
>   I'm very happy with VHS and encourage other tapes to use this format.

	But you're also the guy that thinks Donna sucks.

	:-) :-) :-) :-)
From: wolfgang@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert F Dougherty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Planet Drum
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:06:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Does anybody have any tapes from the recent (kinda recent) planet drum tour
by Mickey et al?
Thanks,
Bob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re:  Deadheads
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:37:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.013406.16922@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

I wrote:
>>>|Give credit where credit is due- Abbey Hoffman (R.I.P<R.I.P.> coined this
>>>|phrase and it was still the '80s when he said it. I believe his phrase
>>>|was "under 30", but that was nearly 10 years ago.
>>>
Todd Brown Wrote:
>>>You have just proved that you are under 20.
>>>
I Wrote:
>>Your logic completely escapes me, especially because your conclusion is
>>wrong.
>
You Wrote:
>Well, if you were much over 20, you'd know the phrase is somewhat
>older than that.  Do you remember the 60's?  (If you do, then you
>weren't there :-)
>
Yeah right, He said "over 30" first then "under 30" later...the point 
I was making was that Abbey Hoffman said it first, that it isn`t
a new "battlecry of the 90s" ...except around here lately. I think
I've mentioned my age in other postings here before but the
real point is this:
 Condecension and speculation about age <and therefore what? Rank?> is
 a pretty serious turn-off no matter how old you are. Perhaps some of
 this doesn't have anything to do with age, I get the impression that
 it's more like a personal thing that *some* people have with me around
 here. Unless, you read the post where I mentioned my age <roughly> then
 you don't know how old I am, and even if you did, I could have been
 lying for all you know. None of this is the point. If you're going
 to wage a campaign against someone on the group, be honest at least
 about what you're doing, instead of pretending to invoke the authority
 of your venerable rank and privledge.
 P.S. I kind of doubt that's what you were doing Seth, but the Other
 One's certainly know who they are.




Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Subject: Re: Lithuanian shirt investigation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:34:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.175736.28810@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> erik@steven.coyote.trw.com writes:
>
><S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> writes: 
>
>|the Olympics are over?  What was the cost of producing the shirts? Who was the
>|artist, how much of the income is she/he receiving? In short, what percentage
>|of the income is GDMS profit pure and simple? I'd pay $13 for one and that's
>|high for a basketball shirt. $33.00 is a g o u g e  until someone can
>|demonstrate otherwise.
>
>
>First of all, the shirts cost $30 from GDM (plus shipping). Second, have you
>looked at the cost of the other shirts that GDM sells at shows. $30 is very
>comparable to everything else that they sell. These aren't Basketball shirts, 
>they are tied-dyed t-shirts. By the way, GDM does make very high quality 
>shirts. It doesn't seem to me that they are gouging anybody.  And besides, 
>nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy the shirts.
>
>erik

	So what? Just 'cause they gouge people at shows for $30/shirt 
	doesn't mean it's OK to charge $30 for the Lithuania shirts!
	Sure no one is MAKING anyone buy a shirt..but $30 for a t-shirt?
	COME ON!  GDM knows people want their stuff so they jack the 
	prices a bit.  I've gotten VERY high quality t-shirts, both
	tie-dye and batik, that have lasted a LONG time, and I paid
	$10-$15 for them...mostly from independent vendors at shows
	(e.g. the "shopping mall" at Shoreline).

	I can understand the expense of putting on a show these days,
	so $27 for a ticket is something I can handle...but not for a 
	cotton t-shirt..even if it's Oneita or a Beefy-T. I know a lot 
	of people who have been in the t-shirt business here in Colo.,
	and they say it costs a MAX of $7 to get the shirts pre-wholesale
	(which is what GDM does I'm sure) with the tie-dye.  The silk-
	screening is minorness in cost, unless GDM is getting ripped off
	themselves, and usually can be mixed in with the cost of the 
	shirts, if it's all done thru the same company.  
 

	I'd have to agree with the original poster, Erik.  Plus, your 
	logic is flawed...ALL the shirts GDM offers are priced too high 
	
	Just my 2 cents..and thank heaven, not my 30 bucks!!

	Yangety

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Gorlechen -- Hill and Knowlton - New York  <jgorlech@reach.com>
Subject: Hello
Reply-To: jgorlech@reach.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:00:15 GMT




Z.ZzZrrr
Hello out there,

This is a just a test. The former nycjag@compuserve.com is now
jgorlech@reach.com


Good to back on the bus.



Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Lithuanian 'Tie-Dead' T-Shirts
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.185454.2702@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> jp@darkstar.com writes:
>
>I haven't seen this yet, so I figured I let everyone know about GDM's  
>newest money making scheme. Remember those Lithuanian basketball  
>warm-up suits that everyone wanted one? Well, they are now available  
>to the public in the form of a t-shirt. Pretty great, eh? Deadheads  
>clamor to be able to get the shirts, and GDM makes them available to  
>us. What a great company.
>
>Now get this... they're charging for these t-shirts, not $10, not $20, 
>NO, NOT EVEN $25!!  How about $33 !! :-( :-( :-(
>                             ^^^^^
>I guess they're preparing for when the Dead can't tour any more.
>
>And that's not the worst of it. What distribution channel did they  
>decide to use for these overpriced shirts? TICKETMASTER !!!!
>What the fuck? Ticketmaster???
>
>$33 t-shirts being sold through Ticketmaster. You probably have to  
>pay a $7 convenience charge.
>
>Somebody please tell me that at least all the profits are going to
>the Lithuanian Olympic team or something like that. (All the Dead's
>profits anyway, you can bet TM's profits aren't going anywhere but
>into their pockets).
>

Yes the profits are going to the Lithuanian Basketball Team <I don't
know if 100% are though>, and I ordered mine directly from GDM-
they never mentioned anything about tickmaster to me.
Yeah, it's expensive, but you don't HAVE to buy one.
bruce

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "BRIAN S. ZAFF" <BZAFF@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil>
Subject: ...welcome home
Reply-To: BZAFF@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:17:00 GMT

  It seems that whenever this thread is woven there are folks that claim that 
the Dead are, after all just a rock-n-roll band, and that what there is, is 
just music, good music, but just music.

   ...and then there are folks like Steve Harris and Tom Livingston (most 
recently) that claim that there's something more to the scene.  I 
whole-heartedly agree with this view.  I've said it before and i'll venture to
say it again (although not as nicely as Tom, or Steve) that it is more than
just the music...at least for me. 

    I'm sure i would have long since tired of the music if it were not for 
the all that goes with it, and after 15 years, i still feel that sense of 
an "honest-to-god community" and still feel at Home.

....

   This past summer after the first night at Deer Creek, and after most of the
my friends had gone to sleep and the revelry of the campground had subsided, a
couple of folks from the nearby campsites collected around to share the warmth
of my campfire.  One of these folks, guy, from Bolder, CO. had been following
the band for a few weeks and hadn't gone to a show yet.  It wasn't from lack
of funds, but rather a lack of desire.  He explained that he didn't really
like the band's music all that much, but did like the people that the band
attracted  -- he said that he felt as if he were "part of a family, a welcome
part."  His vacation was to go camping, travel around the country and surround
himself with people that made him feel at home...(and no, he wasn't a vendor).
Now while i don't share his sentiments about the band's music, i _do_ (and
did) understand exactly what he ment... about being part of a family -- a
family that extends beyond the walls of ones own house and beyond the embrace
of one's immediate family. 

...peace  (the band may have packed and gone,...but the music never stops).

-Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Subject: Re: THE DEADICATED II WHEEL
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:55:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.132400.22541@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ADJS@nmumus.bitnet writes:
>I think we've had all possibilities entertained, and have completely
>`round... so-- How about a CD made up of non-Dead bands, playing non-
>Dead tunes???;)
>Jim

    I think this has been done with various artists and Elton John/Bernie Taupin     tunes.All non-dead bands,all non-dead tunes.........:):)

                   ALOHA,
                        The Other JB
  
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: ROOKIE QUESTION
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:36:48 GMT

In article <9209011827.aa28083@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> jko@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
>
>Some of the shorthand used on the bbs/forums is vague to me...:-)
>
>BTW = By the Way,
>But what does IMHO =?
>
IMHO it works kind of like a pointer, or preamble: Indulgent, Mostly Horseshit
Opinion <to follow....>.

-)-)...(-(

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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Re:  INDIGO DEAD
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution:  usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:52:03 GMT

In article  <1992Aug29.002153.4465@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, JAMES KO writes:
> Since there's been talk/flame about the songs UNCLE JOHN'S
> and TANGLED UP IN BLUE lately, it makes me wonder if either
> of the INDIGO GIRLS were reading the flames before their
         .
         .
         .
> TANGLED UP IN BLUE (Beautiful Version w/a blues break)

Neat-o!  I can't imagine it being anything like Dylan, though...

> Let It Be Me

What?  A Social Distortion cover?           ;-)

> UNCLE JOHN'S BAND (complete with re-written lyric "sister, I do declare..."

Ack!  Blasphemy.  That version is one thing that keeps me from 
listening to Deadicated too often.

> BTW, Does anyone have access to any LIVE Indigo Girls
> tapes????  Please let me know by E-Mail if you do... THANKS

A friend of mine mentioned trying to get his deck into the show 
at the Greek last weekend.  I'll check.

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: You'll Know It When It Comes
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep1.172204.19825@news.acns.nwu.edu> tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall) writes:
>  Maybe those "bums with Grateful Dead shirts on," are well
>on their way to a life infinitely more rich and fufilling
>than capitalistic slavery paying the rent and the intrest

	Maybe.  But it behooves one to remember that it's those poor slobs
payin' their bills that make that "infinitely more rich" life possible.  It
takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

	My take on all this is that it's up to each and every one of us to
leave this world a better place than it was when we arrived.  I feel that
"bums with Grateful Dead shirts on" don't do this, that the best they can
hope for is to have no _negative_ effect.  I myself _do_ have a negative 
effect:  I drive a car, work with computers, and so on, but I try to balance 
that by having a positive effect: managing my small property organically, 
growing what food I can, recycling, participating in community work...
Eventually we'll succeed in minimizing the negative while maximizing the 
positive.

	I have nothing against passive existence as a lifestyle, but I
don't think that it'd work for all of us to adopt it.  You need yang
as well as yin.
								wr