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From: willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye)
Subject: (SPOILER) Possible watch paradox in TA2
Summary: possible paradox in TA2, concerning the pocket watch
Keywords: does anybody really read these keywords?
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:29:38 GMT


Spoiler alert:  Don't read this until you've seen the new Star Trek 
episode "Time's Arrow, Part 2".

Maybe I missed something, but did the following happen?

1.  In the 24th century, they find a watch dated at 500 years old in a mine.
2.  Clements travels from 19th century to 24th, and retrieves his watch.
3.  Clements travels back to 19th century, and places the watch in the mine.

But the watch is 500 years old when Clements retrieves it.  It will now be 
1000 years old when they find it in the 24th century.  The loop continues, 
with the watch getting 500 years older each loop.  

Either:

1. The watch stops aging at 500 years.
2. Each time loop is a separate universe (which puts a dent in the 
   "This has to happen for history to fulfill itself" philosophy).
3. Clements found his un-aged watch and left it (presumably keeping the 
   aged one).  Maybe this happened and I missed it.
4. They messed up.

Another minor gripe.  They're too utopian again.  Curing poverty (if 
possible, since poverty is relative) won't cure all the social ills they 
say it will.   It's starting to sound like that awful "We don't have 
greed or money anymore" utopian garbage from the cryonics episode.
...just a personal opinion....

--Will
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:27:28 GMT

> I do enjoy TNG, but if you were to pick an allstar team, mine would go 
> like this:
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> Kirk - Captain
> Spock - Whatever he wanted to be
> Data - Spock's assistant
> LaForge - Chief Engineer
> Worf - Security
> Bones - Chief Medical

Don't let James Doohan hear ya say that. He thinks he was a better Chief
Engineer than Geordi and gave us a hint that he's going to be showing
ol'e Geordi a thing or two in that upcomming episode!

Worf is certainly a superior security chief, but would Kirk work with him?
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I HATE BARCLAY (Ream of Fear SPOILER)
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:11:02 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep28.165015.18249@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
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> I got totally bored and exasparated watching Reg Barclay whine and whimper
> and act like a neurotic boob for a whole hour. I think that pretty much
> sums up Realm Of Fear.
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> He sees something in the transporter beam but doesn't want to talk about it
> because he thinks he's just going nuts. What a useless crew member! You
> can't trust him, he can't trust himself, and no competent organization would
> keep somebody like that very long. I mean, this is the Woody Allen of the
> 24th century. I'm not sure that Woody Allen is as neurotic as this guy.
> 
	However, you do have to give credit to the actor who plays the
guy.  He is pretty effective to portray the whimp image.


Jack Teh



> Larry
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From: Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com>
Subject: Re: Forward Time Travel?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F0CD8876021E08@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:45:12 GMT
Organization: Committee to Elect Dan Quayle Lord of the Cosmos
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:45:16 GMT

Well, there was one episode in TNG (I forget the name) where some yo-yo
from the past shows up in a time machine from the future, and pretends to
be a historian from the future. That would be forward travel on the part
of the yo-yo.

--Mel Walker
From: drake@drake.almaden.ibm.com (Sam Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:51:34 GMT
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

In article <1aldh0INN8lp@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>WARNING:  The following post contains particularly frightening spoilers for 
>this week's TNG offering, "Realm of Fear".  Those afraid of spoilers should 
>either get over their fears or skip over this post.

>Much better.  Not top-drawer, but much more enjoyable.

>--There were several occasions that invited the MST3K treatment.  The most 
>flagrant of those had to be when Beverly's patient...er...corpse suddenly 
>started having a heartbeat.  

Funny you should mention it ... the Friday PM showing of MST3K was, in fact,
some awful piece (no!) involving corpses waking up in the graveyard.  As it
turns out, I watched the MST3K, then immediately watches Realm of Fear.
I almost fell over laughing when TNG turned into MST right in front of 
my eyes.


Sam Drake / IBM Almaden Research Center 
Internet:  drake@almaden.ibm.com    BITNET:  DRAKE at ALMADEN
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research and Environmental Staff

In article 22610@ra.msstate.edu, rat1@me1.MsState.Edu (Robert Thompson) writes:
|>In article <70151@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
|>>In article <1aqainINN2j3@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
|>>>I suppose these might be spoilers
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|>>>the transporter looked like those sand worms from Dune, and
|>>>how it was so easy and "should've known that" obvious to see
|>>>the connection afterwards?  To me, it still makes no sense.
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|>>Yeah:  Barclay still looked like Barclay, but these people all looked
|>>like mutated intestinal parasites!  Also, how come they told Barclay
|>>that he couldn't stay dematerialized for more than 30-40 seconds or
|>>they would lose his signal, but they were able to recover the Yosemite's
|>>crew members after at least 3-4 DAYS!  For that matter, if you're
|>>disassembled at the molecular level, how is it possible to "experience"
|>>anything during transport (much less grab things!)?  And, before I'm
|>>finished, who was operating the transporter when the 4 Yosemite crew
|>>members beamed out?
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|>at all?  Surely Starfleet escape pods are a more comfortable
|>environment to escape to than a plasma stream coming off a 
|>red giant...

They weren't going anywhere. They were trying to remove the 
plasma organisms that infected the four crewmen in the same way the
the Enterprise disinfected Barclay. 


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	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research and Environmental Staff
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.


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From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:35:12 GMT

>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	

Yes, it conflicts with those theories, but seeing as time travel
has never been *demonstrated* (except once when i was 12 :-),
I don't think there's any final word on what's "correct".

Bill
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: TA I & II - The biggest coincidence of all
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:39:38 GMT

In article <69355@hydra.gatech.EDU>, cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
|> There have been numerous posts about the weak spots, etc. in TA I & II.
|> But what about the fact that the entire story hinges on a very large
|> coincidence:  how likely is it that Data's head should be found, prompting
|> an investigation of the alien presence on 19th century earth, DURING the
|> time period that the alien time-travelers are embarking from?  This is a
|> pretty big coincidence!  (Of course, if it hadn't been found THEN, it
|> wouldn't have BEEN there to be found....)

   That little comment in parentheses just happens to eliminate the
"coincidence."

-- Tim
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Paramount Press Release - #230: Relics
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:15:25 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


Relics

Episode #230			uplink dates: 10/10/92, 10/11/92



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	U.S.S. Jenolan
	Dyson sphere


				_C_A_S_T

	Captain Jean-Luc Picard			Patrick Stewart
	Commander William Riker			Jonathan Frakes
	Lieutenant Commander Data		Brent Spiner
	Dr. Beverly Crusher			Gates McFadden
	Counselor Deanna Troi			Marina Sirtis
	Lieutenant Commander Geordi LaForge	LeVar Burton
	Lieutenant Worf				Michael Dorn

	Scotty					James Doohan
	Ensign Rager				Lanei Chapman
	Ensign Kane				Erick Weiss
	Engineer Bartel				Stacie Foster
	Waiter					Ernie Mirich
	Computer Voice				Majel Barrett
	

	Written by:				Ronald D. Moore
	Directed by:				Alexander Singer



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: Trapped in limbo for 75 years,
	"Star Trek's" Scotty awakens to join the "Next Generation"
	in the 24th century.


_T_V_ _G_U_I_D_E_ _A_D_S

	CAPTAIN SCOTT RETURNS!

	Trapped in limbo for 75 years, the original "Star Trek's" Scotty
	joins the crew for a daring adventure!


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Scotty returns for a final adventure on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
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From: amie@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amie Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Barclay- Can we get rid of him?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:11:49 GMT

stevee@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Steven Eichner) writes:


>Come on, Picard! Barclay's getting a little TOO strange for the Enterprise.
>Would a REAL Captain keep him on the ship? I think not!
>Can we PLEASE put him out of our misery? Anyone know how many
>episodes he's in this season?I hope not many!

>Steve
>/

Hey I have the perfect solution - the crew of the enterprise gets trapped
in time and space in a place called Cicely, Alaska where he meets up with
this bush pilot, falls in love with her (even tho she is a bit neurotic)
but meets his untimely death by becoming whale bait! Ironically he is 
transported back in time in the stomach of a whale that is taken to the
future to bring the whales back! Ok ok - enough of this; I digress ... *grin*
 
                                               Amie

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From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Subject: Re: Klingon home world's name revealed!
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:34:10 GMT

In article <92274.205406IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
[.....]
>
>In "The Trouble with Tribbles" the second in command stated that the
>rest of the galaxy was learning Klingonese.  Since the Vulcan language
>is called, interestingly enough, Vulcan, I think this strengthens my
>position that Klingon is the homeworld.

As a side note....in the espoide "Mudd's Women" of 1965...Harry Mudd
referred to Mr. Spoke as being a Vulcanian from the planet Vulcan.
In later espiodes...Vulcanian was changed to Vulcan.

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From: rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell)
Subject: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:06:42 GMT

       Data                     Spock
------------------      --------------------
intelligent               intelligent - nuff said
calculative               calculative - nuff said
strength of 10            known to exhibit great strength
                          


       Riker
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resourceful               resourceful - Scotty owes his job to him
commanding                commanding - fills in better than Steve Young



       Troi
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empathic                  empathic - mind melt as well
looks good                oh well




I do enjoy TNG, but if you were to pick an allstar team, mine would go 
like this:

Kirk - Captain
Spock - Whatever he wanted to be
Data - Spock's assistant
LaForge - Chief Engineer
Worf - Security
Bones - Chief Medical


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From: bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Bates)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: BORG : Why are they all humans ..... (An Idea)
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:47:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.5872
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <eF88qB3w165w@ailanth.UUCP>, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
> 2261as@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( ) writes:
> 
> Who said that the Borg were one race? How many Borg are there - a few 
> million? How many have we seen - a couple dozen at the most. Given the 
> amount of humanoid species encountered in TNG that are usually only 
> slightly different than a human (pointed ears, spiny heads or the ever 
> popular do-dad stuck on to the forehead) and the fact the all the Borgs 
> we have seen are usually covered with various pieces of equipment from 
> head to toe, who is to say that there are not plenty of Klingon Borgs, 
> Romulan Borgs, Bajoran Borgs, Vulcan Borgs, etc.?
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Didn't I see him playing tennis last weekend??

    Oh, I'm sorry, I guess that was a Gorn Borg.  (heh heh.)


    (Sorry for the obscure TOS reference for those of you under 18. :) )

        Andy Bates.
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII NOW (was Re: ST:TNG movie?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:20:58 CDT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <tappek-051092150028@kurt_mac.bntley.ingr.com>, tappek@bntley.bntley.ingr.com (Kurt Tappe) writes:
> In article <92279.094056CH8305A@auvm.american.edu>, Charles Hessenius
> <CH8305A@auvm.american.edu> wrote:
>>I've read that Bergman and the creative staff thought that seven
>> seasons would be the course for STNG.  That would mean no movies until
>> 1994 or 1995, which leaves room for STVII, if they want to risk
>> embarrassing themselves.
 
> So, anyway, what is this Star Trek VII NOW stuff all about?

The search for more money.  Oh, sorry, that's Spaceballs.  :+)
  It sounds like another time travel retread to me, where the travel
to the "present".  Maybe they could have this one end by leaving Kirk
in the present and having him become his own ancestor.  The inbreeding
might explain why he often acts the way he does  :+).
                
                                  -Drizzt

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From: jasonp@tiger1.prime.com (Jason Pascucci)
Subject: Re: problems with Times' Arrow prt. 2
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.025758.27798@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ehamrick@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric N Hamrick) writes:
>      -Someone mentioned the problem with finding the 19th cent clothes so
>   quickly.  I have been pondering how they came up with so many Shakespearean
>   play booklets.  It seemed that everyone had a play booklet, even for Data
>   who just arrived.  And they were perfectly placed in a close proximity.
> 

Yes...Especially when they didn't have the money to pay the rent.

Actually, it's quite possible that they only had *one* booklet, the one
they showed the landlady, and the rest were looking at blank paper.
I wasn't paying close enough attention, so it's quite possible
that Beverly and Riker were making Shakespeare-sounding dialog.
This may be the case, since Picard did seem to stumble on
to the idea while being questioned by the landlady. 

Actually, if you want to take it further, they saw the possibility
of an extended visit, and Picard decided to turn all these fine
StarFleet officers into actors in a production of Shakespeare
for the locals to raise the funds needed to build a temporal-shift 
device... :)

>      -Eric Hamrick-
-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com
From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:01:51 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

In article <30SEP199213585270@reg.triumf.ca> lahaye@reg.triumf.ca (RAYMOND GABIN , TRIUMF OPERATIONS) writes:

>Moeover, does Data's head has its
>own power supply? If not, how could the captain have entered a binary message
>in Data's circuitry ?

Data's head DOES have it's own power supply.  Otherwise Riker could not have 
removed it and had it still work in "Disaster."
From: aa732@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joe Navratil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: timetravel backwards? - perhaps
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:02:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa732@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joe Navratil)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) says:
>There are alternatives.  You have etheric time travel such that presented
>in Times Arrow.  The traveler would be out-of-temporal-phase (whatever
>that means) and invisible to those in the past.
>Another possibility is tele-travel: you could roam the past in a virtual
>reality sense, see but not affect anything.

Or, delving even further into the possibilities and paradox(-es? i?), how 
about this...

People discover time travel.  The go around and muck up their history. 
Then they realize (don't ask me how, the idea just occurred to me, I know
it has flaws :-) )  that they're messing everything up, and go back and
change everything back to how it should be.

Time is fluid and all that, I guess.  We're just in one ripple.

 -Joe / Okay, maybe it is a crazy idea.
From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TAII - SPOILER Question
Date: 29 Sep 1992 18:55:28 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

In article <1992Sep28.081552.5493@gw.wmich.edu>, adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
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|> till Sat. the 26th - and drove each other nuts trying to figure
|> out where Data got his second head.  Finally she said, "Put this
|> on the net, mom. You always said anything I ever needed to know
|> about ST you could find out."  So please,  can someone give me
|> a step by step on this question?

Cronologically, Data's head does appear in two places at the same
time and this seems to throw people.  First of all there is no second
head.  There is only one head.  The problem is the head goes through 
a rather tricky time loop so that it actually spends a lot of time in
a cave on Earth hundreds of years before it was created. 

Let's follow the head through the time line starting at the beginning of TA1.
(Data is Data with his head attached)

1. Data beams down w/Picard to 24th Century Earth.  They uncover Data's
   500 year old head (it's been in a mine shaft since 1800's).
2. Data and his 500 year old head beam back to the Enterprise for investigation.
3. Data and his head travel to Dividea 2 on the Enterprise.
4. Data beams down to Dividea 2 and is transported in space and time to
   Earth in the 19th century.  The head stays on the Big E in the 24th century.
5. Picard, et al, are transported to 19th century earth, find Data and
   in a struggle for control of the Ophidean (snake cane), Data's body is
   transported back to Devidia 2 while his head is left in the mine shaft
   in the 24th century.  Here's the tricky part.  This is the same mine
   shaft where we will find the same head 500 years later.
6. Data's body is transported from Devidia 2 back to the Big E where Geordie
   reattaches it to Data's body.

Data now has a 25-26 year old body and a 525-526 year old head.
 
|> Thanks,
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Your Welcome,
	Christopher
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:56:26 -0400 
From: Maulik Harish Shah <msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Question....

In TOS, the something seemed to happen to the Dilithium crystals.
In TNG, however, we seldom hear about them (if at all- I don't remember
them ever being mentioned). Was there a new engine developed?  Or was
there a new type of crystal? Or is it simply that the writers got bored
with it?

	Another one: How many times has the saucer separation been used? I only
remember two: the first one (Encounter at farpoint) and the Season
finale/premiere with the Borg.  And why do they always separate at High
Warp ( a supposedly dangerous thing to do?)


				-Mo


p.s. please send a copy of any replies to me, because I don't read the
bboard that often.


Thanx.


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER] -- Maybe
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:51:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct5.150558.28575@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>  In this episode, O'Brien
>has ONE OPEN PIP, and makes mention of "doing this for 22 years."  This is a
>reasonable amount of time to go from buck Spaceman to a CPO.  Anybody stuck at
>LT for 22 years would/should be retired to some quiet backwater of the fed-
>eration, not out on the big E.  

Well, Data has been in Star Fleet for >22 years, and he's only a
Lieutenant Commander.  Although, with his obvious abilities, he
should be an Admiral by now.