From: rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:12:13 GMT

In article <susanc.722533119@keckiris>, susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
|> rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
|> 
|> >	no! we don't wanna do that......that would be stoopid. But hey,
|> >	don't you think women should grow up too and get actively involved
|> >	in subjects like sex, physical relationships etc instead of 
|> >	maintaining the "hiding in the closet" attitude ? I read soc.penpals,
|> >	soc.singles and even rec.humor....and there I see women actively
|> >	participating in such (serious AND humorous) discussions without
|> >	shying away (just cuz they are women !!!). They are discriminating
|> >	themselves, dooode !!!
|> 
|> Now, really! Is 'growing up' completely determined by how ready one
|> is to discuss sex and physical relationships on a public newsgroup? 
|> The vast majority of readers and posters on most newsgroups are
|> declared immature on this basis. Since sex is discussed to death on
|> soc.singles and alt.sex and soc.penpals, is there any real need to
|> bring it in here just so that we can all prove we're adults? And
|> why should you think that women prefer not to discuss sex just because
|> they are women? Are the men who prefer not to discuss sex on this
|> newsgroup doing so 'just because they are men'? 


	No! I didn't mean that and am glad you pointed it out!!

|> 
|> I guess your point is that the women who post here should not
|> object to sexually explicit jokes, but should actively take part
|> in them. But why? If I don't find them funny, why should I pretend

	Well, I didn't mean that either !! not exactly in the way you seem
	to have interpreted it ! What I meant was that the women who post
	here should not object to subjects/topics/discussions which are 
	carry sexual undertones, and yes! actively participate in them (instead
	of shying away! Not same as flaming such topics). I was NOT implying
	sexually "explicit jokes" !!! It's not that women should flame away,
	or even shy-away....we *need* women's view-point too (of course, if
	you don't want to express any opinion on the subject, then that's 
	your choice....but seems to me like it's the choice of "every"
	single "Indian" woman !!! I wonder why ??!!).


|> that I do just to be 'one of the guys'? I've seen no evidence that
|> most of the men who read/post on sci revel in this humour either.

	All this comes out because you thought I was refering to the
	"explicit jokeS". Sorry, but the topic of sex is more than some
	jokes !!! 

|> Yet you seem to believe that it's only the women who are so lacking
|> in a sense of humour that they don't find sexual jokes, suggestive
|> gifs of women, and obscenity funny.


	Hey Susan! as I explained above, you wrote alllll this under the
	assumption that I was refering only to "jokes" when I said "sex"
	as a topic......I was NOT. Maybe I was responding to an article 
	(I don't remember) which had something to do with "jokeS" or "gifs"
	etc, but *my* argument was not limited only to "jokes" !!!


|> 
|> Susan.
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|> Mail from this account is forwarded to susanc@helix.nih.gov
|> 
|> 

	Love to hear your views again, though.

		rAjAt.
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