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From: S.M.Polovina@lut.ac.uk (Simon Polovina)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: US Salaries enquiry
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: S.M.Polovina@lut.ac.uk (Simon Polovina)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Can anyone please tell me what sort of salary level and benefits one would
expect if employed in a Post-doc position at a university in the US? Are they
significantly different than working for a commercial company?

Thanks,

Simon Polovina
-- 
Simon Polovina
Computer Studies, University of Technology, Loughborough, UK LE11 3TU
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ottj@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Jim Ott)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 18:29:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <140@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
|>   ... [stuff deleted] ...
|> Women want equality in the workforce, and they say they want to have 
|> jobs and careers.  But then, they take time off to have babies.  They
|> leave work early if their kids get sick at school, and have to be
|> picked up.   They don't show up at all if it snows, and school is
|> cancelled, or they have to leave early if it starts snowing and it's
|> announced that schools will close early.  If a woman wants to have a 
|> youngun, then have it.  Take up to a week off [if you had a cesarian]
|> and get back to work.  Let's face it; if you want a career, then 
|> support it.  A company hires a person to work for them because they
|> need the help.  If you want the job, then you ought to work the hours
|> you are expected to work.  If you want to be a mother to your children,
|> then stay home, and let someone work who will be at work everyday.
|> --Keith

I quite often get frustrated with women when they complain about how sexist 
things are, especially in the work force. But then someone like yourself comes
along and tries to prove them correct. You stereotype all women and
completly ignore men's responsibilities for children. If it snows or a child is
sick, I may leave early to pick kids up at school. Let's face it, it is much more
important to get that last bug out of your program than to worry about a sick
child! There are other responsibilities to child rearing than popping a baby out.
The child needs care. Both MEN and women should have the opportunity to have time
to care for a newborn baby. There are circumstances such as in a small company
that may make this more difficult at times, but these are problems that can be
worked through. What does a small company do when someone gets sick?
  
-- 
Jim Ott
ottj@longs.lance.colostate.edu
From: tsp@controls.ccd.harris.com (Timothy S. Pillsbury)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: International Software Jobs
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:47:50 GMT
Organization: Harris Corp.
Originator: tsp@sp1


In article <1992Oct14.102321.22396@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, arichmon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Snr SW Engineer) writes:
|> A couple of weeks or so ago, somebody asked if any netters who had joined
|> ICPA could say how useful they found it. I didn't notice any responses.
|> Were there any? I currently subscribe to their newsletter, which costs
|> much less than full membership, but I'm wondering if I should go ahead
|> and join. I'd be grateful for any info..

I think any of this information would be very interesting as well.
Please post your reponses concerning ICPA or international jobs in general
to this group.
Thanks,
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From: Lee_-_Johnson@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Object-Oriented Recruiter @ OOPSLA '92
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:41:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na


Lee Johnson, of LEE JOHNSON INTERNATIONAL, will be in Vancouver, BC
attending OOPSLA '92 on Monday, October 19 thru Thursday morning,
October 22.

Lee has been in the Software Engineering recruiting business since
1972, and has concentrated in Object-Oriented technologies since
1988.  He conducts searches for companies throughout the U.S.

Lee is available for private meetings with experienced OO professionals
who are interested in establishing a contact to hear about OO positions
for their current or future interest.

To arrange a meeting, do one or more of the following:

1.  Before Saturday, October 17th, call 510-524-7246.

2.  From Monday thru Thursday morning, leave a message where you can be
    contacted in Vancouver at the Westbrook Hotel in Vancouver, 688-1234.

3.  Call Lee on his hand-held cellular phone by dialing a local Vancouver
    number 644-7626, wait for dial tone, then dial 415-279-0053.

4.  If all the above fail, leave a message for Lee on the Message Board
    at OOPSLA.

LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING YOU!
From: rodgers@engcon.marshall.ltv.com (KMRODGERS)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Staying at home (was: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?)
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:41:34 GMT
Reply-To: rodgers@engcon.UUCP (KMRODGERS)
Organization: LTV MEG, Dallas, TX

In article <greg.718083871@saltydog> greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
[much deleted]
>a number of rather unattractive choices:
[...]
>	3.  Indebteness or loss of savings so that one parent may have
>	    the priviledge of being an unpaid domestic engineer.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Spoken like a true asshole.

You know, there are sane, intelligent people (e.g., my wife and I) who don't
relish the thought of their children being raised by day-care workers.  There
are women who want to breastfeed their children (N.B.: given all of the
known health benefits to child and mother by breastfeeding, sometimes I think
that breastfed kids and mothers who nursed them should get a break on medical
insurance costs. . .), both to give the kids the medical and the psychological
benefits of nursing and because it makes them (the mother) feel good, to 
nourish with their own bodies this precious little life.  There are parents 
who feel that "quality time" is not good enough.  There are parents who feel 
that staying home with the kid(s) is much more fulfilling than running the 
rat race.  And you know . . . THEIR VIEWPOINT IS AT LEAST AS VALID AS YOURS!!!!

Before you jump to conclusions, please note that I and my wife are both
degreed professionals, agnostic (me) or atheist (her), Libertarian, etc.,
etc.  We survive (mostly) on my income (she has a small consulting business
that she works from home).  We live in a reasonable house in a decent
neighborhood, have reasonable cars, and a reasonable standard of living.
Of course, there are compromises (that new 200meg disk drive has been on the
list for about 6 months), but _we_ are much happier than if both of us were
bringing in mid five-figure salaries but had no time to spend with our
daughter.  I make no claims that everybody would be happier off this way,
but it works for us.  If you don't like it, fine; but don't insult stay-at-home
moms and dads (or just spouses) just because it might not be your choice.  If
you can't (or won't) live with that, bugger off.

> . . . Or you are a single parent (perhaps because some anti-choice pinhead
>has made the alternative unavailable). . .

I won't take this bait, I won't take this bait, I won't take this bait . . .

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Manpower Second Sourcing (Re: Family Leave Act)
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:59:13 GMT

In article <Bw3Cxo.ArF@ecf.toronto.edu> stefano@ecf.toronto.edu (Bruno Di Stefano) writes:
>In article <143@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>>In article <Oct09.182949.69095@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ottj@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Jim Ott) writes:
>>>In article <140@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>>>|>   ... [stuff deleted] ...
>>>worked through. What does a small company do when someone gets sick?
>>Come on, Jim.  There is a big difference in a company if someone gets
>>sick, and when someone is out for two months or more on "pregnancy
>>leave".  People are usually out sick for a couple of days.  This isn't
>>a big burden on any company.  It may be an inconvenience, but it
>>isn't understandable.  Someone staying out for twomonths or more
>>         .   .............      .............              ....... 
>>order to train it.  What happens to the company in the meantime?
>>
>What happens to the company:
>- when a key engineer/manager dies because of a car accident?
>-  "   "  "     "       "       "    "     "  an heart attack?
>-  "   "  "     "       "     decides that he had enough and quits to open
>   a photographic studio?
>- when all engineers quit on the same day to start a new company
>  (in a non competing field: they couldn't be taken to court)?
>- because of high job pressure 3 engineers quit in spite of the fact that
>  they have no other job and are not ready to go back under any condition?

Yes, a bit of overlapping responsibilities is helpful in the above
situations. But in all of the above scenarios, the employer is free to
"pick up the pieces" and get on with it. The family leave legislation 
prevents the employer from picking up the pieces and getting on with it
by requiring that the job be held open for the return of the wayward employee.


orville

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Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
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From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:48:23 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <frain.718355845@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> frain@cis.ksu.edu (Jerry Frain) writes:
>While we're on the topic of places to live, would anyone like to share
>their opinions on Maryland, in particular the Baltimore area?

Although there are a lot of good things about the Baltimore MD
area, there are a lot of negatives, too.  I guess that could be said
about a lot of places though.  Anyway, A great thing about Baltimore is
that is is a great location.  It is only a couple of hours drive
from Philadelphia and New York City, and only a half hour drive from
Washington DC.  It has easy access to the major interstate highways
running north/south and east/west.  So in a matter of hours, 
you can be just about anywhere.  
Now for the bad.  The police in MD are pathetic.  They will pull
you over if you are 1 MPH above the speed limit.  The speed limit 
is still 55MPH in MD.  Tax rates is MD are outrageous.  One has
to pay local income taxes, in addition to state & federal taxes.
In fact, one pays state taxes based on where you live and work.
For example, if you live in Baltimore, but work in DC, you will
pay one rate.  But if you live outside of Baltimore, and work
in Baltimore, you will pay another rate.  If you live in MD and
work out of state, you will pay still another rate.  If you live 
out of state, and work in MD, you pay still another rate.  I think
MD has 8 different tax rates, at least they did a couple of years
ago.  
Another bright side, is Baltimore.  If you are single, then 
Baltimore is a great place to have a good time.  Try going to
"the block" in downtown Baltimore.  It is on East Baltimore St,
and you will know it when you see it.  A great time is guaranteed
for all.
--Keith

From: teresas@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Teresa Simske)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:30:14 GMT
Subject: Re: layoffs, hiring freeze...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc



HP is expecting 2700 people (2000 from the US) to take advantage of VSI 
(Voluntary Severance Incentive). Not all parts of HP will be participating,
only those whose business needs indicate that cutbacks should occur. Not
all job categories in all participating divisions will be offered VSI either.
VSI is very different from layoffs. The company absorbs huge costs to help 
those who want to leave. The company is not trying to cut costs for the
immediate gain. This is contrary to what happens in a layoff situation. 
Rather, the company is preparing for lessened needs in certain segments
of the business in the long term. 


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Advice Please
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.144150.6438@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22407LIZ@MSU writes:
>I apologize in advance if this is a Frequently Asked Question, but I could use
>some advice on how to answer the commonly asked question, "Name three of your
>strenghts and three of your weaknesses".  I don't have as much trouble with the
>strenghts part (although I often feel my answers are kinda cliche) as I do with
>listing my weaknesses.  Not that I think I'm perfect, but I just never know
>what to say.  Does anyone have some good answers to this question?  Please post
>them hear or e-mail me.  If this question is answered in a FAQ, then could some
>one just send me that.
>
>Thanks.
>Liz


Presumably you mean someone asking you these questions in a job interview, not
just someone who walks up to you on the street?  ;-)

You can turn this kind of thing to your advantage sometimes.
Obviously, you don't lie and say you have no weaknesses, but you could
turn it around a bit, e.g. "I tend to get too involved in solving a
problem; I'm a perfectionist, I'm never satisfied with a half-baked
job, and this sometimes rubs some people the wrong way."  Or:  "I work
too hard!"  These are perfectly legitimate answers.  I've used them
myself, and truthfully.  Good luck!

Terry

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lhn1935@usl.edu (Ng Lap H)
Subject: Any job opportunities for foreign students in U.S.?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:03:20 GMT

I am a foreign student in U.S. and going to graduate with
a M.S. in Computer Science at the end of this year. I will
also apply the permit for working (practical training) at
that time.

Can anyone tell me if there is any place in U.S. that is 
easier for foreign student with a M.S. in Computer Science
to find jobs?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lap-hung Anson Ng

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sorbrrse@rtsg.mot.com (Russell E. Sorber)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:09:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.135553.10915@weyrich.UUCP> uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville writes:
>
>What is different between a disgruntled employee walking out the door with
>valuable training, experience, and expertise and a union strike?
>

Several orders of magnitude.  
(1000 employees >> 1).  In the workplace and elsewhere people acting 
together can often accomplish worthy goals not attainable 
by individuals.

>(stuff deleted)

>
>So, to turn your question around, what do union workers have to negotiate 
>with, in the long run? Doesn't their short-term success mean failure in the
>long-term?

Not at all!
Unions are only a failure if you ignore more than 100 
years of American history. Hows that for long term?
Ever hear of an 8 hour day?  
Workplace Safety rules? 
Child Labor laws?
All of these things were fought for and won by labor unions and are
now taken for granted.  




-- 
Russ Sorber, CDP
Software Contractor
Motorola, Cellular Division
Arlington Hts., IL	(708) 632-4047
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:24:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct12.204630.18529@informix.com> cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>In article <1419@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>>In an article, cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>>>If we do not get the situation under control soon, we will have armed
>>>anarchy.
>>
>>I doubt it.
>>
>>(Pardon me while I climb up on my soapbox ...)
>>
>>The more that you demand from your government to do for you what you do not
>>want to do for yourself, the more it will cost. The more that you want the
>
>... deleted
>
>The situation refered to was the Government and its runaway spending.  I am
>afraid of slipping into a banana republic SITUATION.  I want the government
>to quit doing things period.  We are spending almost 50% more than we take
>in; money is being diverted from production to pay welfare (includes 
>social security and defense WELFARE! ).
>
>>-- 

In the fiscal year just ended, the federal deficit was 290 billion.  
This, in a budget of about 1.5 trillion dollars.  Your statement above
that we are spending "almost 50% more than we take in" is not even
close to being accurate.  The correct answer is about 20%.

Phil Cooper
From: toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:59:43 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
> In article <i7oHsB1w164w@cellar.org> toad@cellar.org writes:
>> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:

>>> What I have found odd is that in the five or six years that I've been
>>> involved in interviews and the 100s of interviews that I've given I've
>>> never gotten a student with a computer science or computing degree to giv
>>> me a sensible answer;

>> And you still haven't gotten the clue that perhaps your expectations are
>> incorrect!

> My expectation is simple in that I expect a cogent and reasoned argument as
> the answer. The (supposedly) better qualified the computer scientist the
> poorer answer I've been given. I suspect that I'm expectating a computer
> science graduate to be have been taught some skills so the failure is with
> college or university that they attended rather than the students
> themselves. 

But in your original article, you suggested that this question is the sole
basis upon which you base your hiring recommendation.  Apparently, you've
recommended one competent person (that physicist) after hundreds of
interviews.  Odds say there must be a few more competent people in the mix,
and your catch-all question is missing them for some reason.
 
>> thoughtful conversation:
 
> Definitely however in all your comments you missed picking up on the one
> illogical point I made in the original reply which is how do I decide when
> to ask this "once-and-for-all" question?

That didn't sound like an illogical point, given the nature of your article.
But if you've asked 100s of candidates this question, and gotten one right
answer, let me suggest that you could have saved yourself a lot of time and
bother by simply asking this question FIRST.  That way, when the candidate
answers incorrectly, you can send them on their way.

The one thing I didn't ask you was what you consider to be a good ANSWER.
I'm sort of interested in knowing whether you'd consider MY answer to be
good, but I can't remember the exact question.  I think it was something
like "How do you go about debugging?"  My answer would be "It depends
entirely on the nature of the code to be debugged, the platform in use, the
available tools, my familiarity with the code, and any potential customer's
requirements."  How'd I do, boss?
 
> There is one other piece of information I expect prospective candidates to
> know which is where I got MY computer science degree from. :-;

Holy mother of pearl, are you serious?

--
Also, I think Washington, D.C. should be destroyed.
Tony Shepps toad@cellar.org
Preferred address: toad%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
Public access and thoughtful conversation:  The Cellar BBS  +1 215 654 9184 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Quest: Directory of Top Computer Executives
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:50:44 GMT

A friend of mine is trying to locate a book called:

	Directory of Top Computer Executives

Can anyone provide a source for this item?  E-mail unless you think it would be
of general inerest to the net.

Thanks in advance,
tony
bible@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko)
Subject: layoffs, hiring freeze...
Keywords: Hewlett-Packard
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:06:31 GMT

Hello all,

 A friend of mine said that last HP had a big layoff last week? Does anyone
know enough about this to verify it?  Who was layed off? - managers? manu-
facturing?  I know that HP has always went to great lengths to avoid layoffs,
so if it is true, it comes as a big suprise...I also know that most divisions
have had a hiring freeze since their stock plummeted recently.

Please respond,
Bob

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:20:43 GMT

In article <greg.718424955@octopus> greg@octopus.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>pstephan@mcs.kent.edu (Paul H. Stephan) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have any experience on whether or not it is possible to
>>bargain for how long until additional vacation time is earned.  Most
>>company's that I'm familiar with start with 2 weeks then add 1 week
>>after 5 years.  When changing jobs this can be rather discouraging
>>if you are close to or beyond the 5 years.
>
>Screw them.  It's been 200 years since the last revolution in this
>country and it's about time for another one.
>

Well you obviously aren't a "dull chap." Advocating armed rebellion against
the government? My, my. a "real" man for sure. :-)

I certainly don't think that lesser remedys are anywhere near being exhausted. 
Voters are in rebellion, yes. But they are doing it with their pocketbooks 
and at the polling places. Record numbers of incumbents are being given cold 
shoulder, and in some states thare are voter initiatives to limit terms on the 
upcoming ballots [in AZ, for e.g. -- probably others]. Bond leveys are failing.
Voter initiatives to make it harder for government to raise taxes. Voters are 
definitely angry. But they aren't demanding greater job benefits. They are
demanding MORE work, LOWER taxes and RESPONSIBLE stewardship from those that
they send to Washington. Americans may look dumb, but they aren't stupid. They
are finally figuring out that they don't benefit from taxation that is used
to buy votes for the incumbents during the next election, and that there is
no such thing as a free lunch, ESPECIALLY when a polititan is the caterer.



orville

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Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
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