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	I am not an expert in sports medicine, however I have been 
	exercising all my life. Many times I got in same situation
	as you are in right now. 

	My advice. Stop heavy exercising  for 2 weeks. Let your
        joint rest.
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From: BEC@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club . . .
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:59:32 EST

Eric Rainbolt of SIU writes:
>. . .
>Last summer, when living with my parents in Evergreen Park, a
>suburb of Chicago, I decided to improve my self-image and the like by
>joinging Bally's Health Club in the neighboring town of Oak Lawn.
>. . .[He goes on to describe some contractual problems he has had
 with Bally.]. . .
>I hope that I haven't been misled again, and this will clear up
>matters once and for all.  I also hope that snakes who work at
>recovery services burn in hell, but that is a longer story...
 
You should without fail write the Attorneys General of the States
of Illinois and Michigan about this, describing in as much detail as
you can your problems with BHC and NRS.  Send copies of your letter to
the Better Business Bureaus in the cities where these outfits are
located.  In my experience, this has worked wonders when things got
really desperate.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Inosiene vs Vanadyl Sulfate
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:18:55 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Nov5.011815.1422@spdc.ti.com> culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper) writes:

>Has anyone ever experienced headaches after taking Vanadyl Sulfate

No.

							-Adam

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From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Re: Inosiene vs Vanadyl Sulfate
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:10:06 GMT

Is Vanadyl Sulfate available in the usual stores, or do you need to get it
by mail order? I haven't seen it around.


Steven
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: I hate situps
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:07:58 GMT

In article <1dms3gINN2eu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>In a previous article, mspayer@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mike Payer) says:
>
>>Is there an exercise that will do the same thing as situps.
>>I HATE SITUPS.......I HATE SITUPS.........I HATE SITUPS.
>>
>>	MSP - mspayer.pacbell.com
>>	
>>				......SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS
>>
>
>	Crunches.  You get practically all the benefits, yet they're much
>more tolerable.  Personally, I think that's because your head doesn't
>move about as much as with sit-ups.

Crunches on a vertical crunch machine (e. g., Nautilus) are good because
they don't compress the spine, nor do they cause the friction on the
backside.  I personally also find that they allow me to vary the
concentration of the burn from upper abs to lower.

GMS
From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: HELP! Broken arm shrunk my chest :)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:28:55 GMT
Organization: TheNews

In article <1992Nov6.191649.28580@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde) writes:
>A couple of years ago, I broke my right humerus badly (it's not funny :)
>requiring reconstructive surgery. Being a young lad of 19 I figured that
>with time, it would heal and be the same good ol' arm I used to have, and
>that I'd be back in bodybuilding in no time.
>
>No dice.
>
>I don't know what the story is, but I cannot fully extend the arm, nor can I
>twist it (a motion required when doing curls with a straight bar) without
>discomfort. Back in '89 I said to hell with bodybuilding.
>
>It's 1992 and I stopped feeling sorry for myself and have been working out
>again for about 5 months. Despite the mean scar and lack of full extension,
>the arm is surprisingly strong. Progress is being made that I never thought
>I'd be making again.
>
>But...
>
>Since my accident, the right side of my chest has atrophied some, and for
>some reason it remains that way. My left chest is significantly larger
>than my right, and I notice that when doing chest work, my right side
>seems to fall behind.
>
>What can I possibly do to equalize this?  Instead of walking at an angle to
>give the illusion of symmetry by distance :) :) I'd like to even things out
>a bit!
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Paul
>
>-- 
Included with your benching workout add a full routine of flys.  Make sure too
use the same amount of weight with each arm.  Over time the other arm will
catch up to your strong arm.

Pete
From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: wrestling
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:17:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov10.191754.15499
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: srmcinto@c00554-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu




Hi!  I'm looking for some advice.  I'm thinking about joining a wrestling
club, but I'm about 10 pounds heavier than I need to be.  Could anybody give
me any suggestions in loosing this weight.

I have a friend that suggested wearing a "sweat" suit (PVC suit) while
working out or running.  What do you think of this?  Does it work?  How long
should I wear it?


Thanks in advance,

Sean

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From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: ex
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:09:24 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	Uh, I still can't jump any higher.

	Stephen, Fitness Thoughts, Hare.
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From: cathys@Ingres.COM (Cathy Savino)
Subject: Re: lats,bis,tris with a cast?
Reply-To: cathys@ingres.com (Cathy Savino)
Organization: Ingres, An ASK Company
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:44:42 GMT


In article <Nov02.225116.65220@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, steve@agropyron.forests (Steve) writes:
|> hi folks,
|> 
|> i managed to break my wrist in a couple places over the weekend,
|> and am now in a cast from my elbow to my fingers. I can type but
|> can't put pressure on the fingers or radically twist the cast without
|> risking surgery. so the question is, what do i do for the next 8
|> weeks to keep muscle attrophy at bay? I cant do dips, pullups, pushups,
|> curls, etc. in my normal ways. Any ideas? I`m not a power lifter or 
|> body builder, i mainly ride bikes (that's how i did this), run, swim, etc.
|> also, since swimming is my best bet, how do i keep this thing dry, a 
|> plastic bag and a rubberband seems iffy.
|> 

Hi Steve,

I have been in the same boat. I was training for a powerlifting contest, and after
my last workout, I was riding my bike home from the Gym, and some jerk did not signal
and made a left hand turn right into me. I ended up with a wrist broken in two
places, and a badly broken finger on the other hand that required surgery. The
result is that I had both hands in casts.

I suggest you find a gym that has Nautilus Equipment. They have back, chest,
shoulder and tricep machines that do not require you to use you hands. I was
also able to use the bicep machine with some difficulty by putting the handles
on the casts and lifting very slowly, but be careful. If you don't have a pair
of straps, get a pair. They will help when you get out of the cast, and dont have
a whole lot of grip strength.

The plastic bag approach does not work real well, I used a a plastic bag on
the hand that had my fingers casted, but a heavy duty rubber glove on the other
hand. That works a little better and you still get fingers.

Send me email if you have anymore questions.

  -- cathys


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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:00:04 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <69389@cup.portal.com>, Ripped-Off@cup.portal.com (Eric J Rainbolt) writes:

> Last summer, when living with my parents in Evergreen Park, a
> suburb of Chicago, I decided to improve my self-image and the like by
> joinging Bally's Health Club in the neighboring town of Oak Lawn.

Is Bally's related in any way to the 24-Hour Nautilus chain in 
California?  Their marketing, sales, and business practices seem
remarkably similar.  To wit:

    -	The ads feature a georgous female model and a membership
        quoted at an unbelievably low price.  As it turns out, the
	model isn't a member, and the membership advertised comes with
        so many restrictions noone is likely to want to pay *anything* for 
        it.  In the case of the local, Silicon Valley 24HN, that meant 
        the advertised membership allowed access only during non-prime-time 
        hours on alternating days.

    -	When you go in, they juggle various membership plans with 
	complicated mixes of access limitations, initiation fees, annual fees, 
	and monthly fees to confuse you much the way car dealers do 
	by juggling your offer, the trade-in, and the financing.  Now I 
	considerate reasonable and normal for multipurpose health clubs to 
        separate racquet sports from everything else, and to offer "family" 
        vs. "single" memberships.  But 24HN goes an order of magnitude
        beyond that.

    -	Like car dealers, 24HN will usually offer a big "discount" if
        you're willing to sign *today*.

The local 24HN got in trouble with the Santa Clara DA's office a while 
back.  It seems they insisted that members pay dues via automatic bank
account debits.  Yet when members canceled their memberships 24HN was just 
a little slow to stop the debiting.  Or refund ex-members overpaid dues.

-- 
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From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: karate
Originator: srmcinto@c00554-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:37:54 GMT



	Hi!  I am going to start taking some Karate classes in the near future 
and I would like some advice.  What do I need to do in order to prepare for
these classes.  I am mainly interested in the physical training area.
If anyone has a suggested workout please e-mail it to me. 
	A friend of mine suggested that I do pushups on my knuckles.  What do 
you think?  I would also like some information on how to get my fists into
shape?  I would also like an opinion on full-contact karate.  I am interested
in this, but I really do not know what to expect.  Any information will be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Sean

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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: I hate situps
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:26:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mspayer@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mike Payer) says:

>Is there an exercise that will do the same thing as situps.
>I HATE SITUPS.......I HATE SITUPS.........I HATE SITUPS.
>
>	MSP - mspayer.pacbell.com
>	
>				......SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS
>

	Crunches.  You get practically all the benefits, yet they're much
more tolerable.  Personally, I think that's because your head doesn't
move about as much as with sit-ups.
 
-- 
    Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., CWRU grad student & roboticist wannabee

   "Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"    |    My boss is a 
   "Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all."  |  Jewish carpenter.
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From: mcyze@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs 'demystified'
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:40:41 GMT


glex@nitro.cray.com writes:
>In article <9211101002.AA20829@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com>, z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
>|> What the heck is a "hanging leg/knee raise"?  Hopefully this doesn't involve hanging upside down, does it?

>Nope.  The hanging is usually done by 2 parallel pads that allow your 
>elbows/arms to support your weight.  They can also be done by hanging from 
>a horizontal bar, your hands/arms get pretty tired supporting your weight 
>this way.  A parallel dip apparatus would also work.

No, hanging x raises are always done 'hanging' from a bar (eg. chin-up bar).
True enough, your hands do get tired, but I've found wraps help out a lot.

You (glex@nitro) describe Roman chair leg raises - not nearly as 
effective as the 'hanging' variety.  Roman chair workouts tend to 
overstress the lower back, as well as work the hip flexors too much 
to really call this an efficient stomach excersize.  While the
hanging raises still are not particularly fantastic (still hard on lower
back, recruits hip flexors too much) they are much safer and more
effecient than Roman chair raises.

>Hang in there.
Still hanging,
Mike

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Incline benching: what does it work?
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:44:21 GMT

jat@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge) writes:

>I've recently started incline benching again after not having done so
>for a very long time.  Incline is supposed to get upper chest and parts
>of the shoulders.  However, the day after I incline, one of my most sore
>areas is my lats (even though I don't work my lats on "push day").  It
>is definitely inclining which is making my lats sore -- I've
>experimented with my exercises until I could prove this.

>My question:  is this normally supposed to happen?  Am I doing something
>wrong (arching my back or something)?  I'm worried because I've never
>heard that inclines will work the lats.


This can be expected . . . that your lats hurt after first starting
to do inclines.  What you might try doing is getting your form correct
with light weights on the bar.  After your form is correct and you feel
as if you're in control, add more weight and really work the pecs.

allen
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From: jat@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:28:08 GMT
Subject: Chromium: picolinate vs GTF
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

I've read the thread on chromium picolinate with interest.  I have a 
really hard time putting on weight and keeping it on, so I use a
weight-gain powder.  The powder I use has "Chromium (GTF)" as an
ingredient, in the same dose as chromium picolinate is recommended.

Am I getting chromium picoliate, or something different?

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde)
Subject: Re: Help, I jump and I can't get up
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:50:48 GMT

In <1992Nov10.024635.2975@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:

>>Hi gang,
>>
>>        I've been in the martial arts for years now but for some reason I have
>>never managed to get a decent jump kick down pat.  
>>

And mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu adds:

>What worked for me was committed practice on a forgiving
>surface.  I had the advantage of a first-class Judo mat, but any
>surface should do as long as you can fall on it without fear of
>serious injury.  You *will* fall a lot, but persist and you will
>eventually gain the confidence and burn in the muscular
>responses necessary to do decent jump spinning kicks.  Oh yeah,
>when you practice, get a spotter to watch you and give you
>constant feedback.  It is very hard to figure out certain faults
>for yourself.  

Precisely.  Having been a student of Tae Kwon Do (*very* biased towards
kicks and leg techniques) for four years, I know that this is indeed the
case.

There are really only three factors to successful jump kicks and jump-spin
kicks:  1)  flexibility   2)  speed   3)  confidence

1.  Flexibility - your body (legs, specifically) must be limber and
completely warmed up to perform these kicks initially. *Never* attempt to
do jump kicks or jump-spin kicks when you aren't proficient at them and
haven't warmed up.  If you're just starting out, warm up extensively.

2.  Speed - It is not so much 'height' that allows one to jump kick
successfully (if you're in good shape enough to throw this type of kick you
can probably jump as high as you need to!). It is speed. You have to be able
to extend and retract with such speed that you are again standing when you've
completed the kick. This ties in heavily with flexibility: with poorly warmed
up legs, you're going to pull something. (Trust me - I lost full flexibility
in my hamstring when I tore it badly doing a jump crescent kick without
warming up... took over a year to get it back).

3.  As Richard states, *confidence* is the major component here. You have
to tell yourself that, yes, you CAN perform these kicks. And again, Richard
is right when he says that you should have an object to focus on and/or a
person to spot and monitor you. What worked best for my group and I were
two drills for jump side kicks and jump spin kicks: 1- have a person hold
an air shield tightly against their body and aim for it, and 2- use a heavy
bag. You should really only use the heavy bag when you've got the movement
down pat or else you may hurt your foot/knee twisting your leg.

Practice makes perfect. You can, and you will, perform these kicks in really
no time at all.

Have fun!

Paul

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From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: wrestling
Originator: srmcinto@c00583-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:48:24 GMT


	Hi! I'm looking for some advice.  I'm thinking about joining a wrestling
club, but I'm about 10 pounds heaver than I would like to be.  Could anybody with
experience in wrestling weightloss give me any suggestions.

	I have a friend that suggested wearing a "sweat" suit (PVC suit) while 
working out or running.  What do you think of this?  Does it really work?

Thanks in advance,

Sean
From: deen@romulus.rutgers.edu (Cinnamon Raisin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: What is wrong with...
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.Nov.9.18.08.20.1992.1740
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

...baked Beans, Honey, Tuna, (Baked) chicken.

I am looking to do on a low fat diet to supplement my working out and
these as some of the foods I like that.  
	
Also, I have a fairly heavy aerobics routine(about 1 hour straight on 
a lifecycle at a moderate resistance, and 12 min before and after at
a high resistance).  I feel great when I do the workout, but I have to
take a couple days(2-3) break because of work.  When I return to the 
routine, I feel very unhealthy to put it mildly.  What can I do to
lower the "shock"?

I also through in some sparse anerobic excersising to build something
of a body, but right now I am just interested in losing fat.  I used
to have a body, but I let it go.  Any tips on getting my body back?

I also read in this newsgroup recentltly that stomach crunches work 
mainly the upper abdominal( I do about 150 at a moderate weight every
time I work out), what can I do for my lower abs.  I know they cannot
be isolated, but surely I can come close?

					...LATERness...

					-Z Raisin
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From: jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:34:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Q's re. back exercises
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

> If you really want to know the exact parts of the back worked by these, try
> overtraining them for one training session. Do only one back exercise and
> do MANY sets (20*20 was what Vince Gironda used). The muscle you worked will
> be sore. (surprise!)


A Vince Gironda tip huh. You must be a past iron man reader. I use to be.
I stopped getting it about 8 years ago ( the magazine that is) and was
very disappointed when I picked up a copy about a month ago. The
advertising seems to have tripled. Not as bad as that egomaniac Weider
though.

Jeff
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pearnhar@nyx.cs.du.edu (Philip A. Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:15:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.085008.14105@ericsson.se> etxpell@mega.ericsson.se writes:
>In article 24494@cltr.uq.OZ.AU, mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon) writes:
>>
>>Anyone know how to get this publication in Australia?
>>matt
>>
>Or in Sweden??
>Cheers,
>       Pelle

The booklet is published by:

Health for Life
8033 Sunset Blvd., Suite 483
Los Angeles, CA  90046

Their phone number is (213) 450-0070.

The ISBN Number for Legendary Abs II is 0-944831-20-6.

I don't know if this will help. If either of you will provide the airline
tickets, I'll personally deliver you complimentary copy.

--phil