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From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Self?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 08:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.124129.6682@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <BuExo6.7nI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>> 	Yes there are.  You just don't know what one is.
>
>Well, maybe you can explain to me what, exactly, a satanist is.

	Yes, I probably can, even with the denseness you are emanating.
	But I don;t feel like it, so I wont.
	(Get it?!?!)

>> 	We claim no responsibility for the absurdness of this individual.
>> 	The enlightened ones merely keep him as a plaything.
>
>OK

	Of course it is.  The enlightened ones say so.  It doesn't need YOUR "OK"
Just THEIRS.

>> 	No, I am a nice semitheist.  I do not know whether there is a god of any
>> sort or not.  I can not see any proof that there is any sort of divinity,
>> nor can I see proof that there is not any sort of divinity.
>> 	Therefore, deity sort of exists right next to Schroedinger's semi-dead
>> cat.
>
>Also, please explain your concept of a semitheist.

	I just did.  It don;t get any clearer.
>
>> 	No, you have it wrong again.  I do not know why I should lower myself
>> to explain this to you, but the enlightened ones, me and my ex-dog, have decided
>> that now is a good time for PR.
>
>What are the "enlightened ones"?

	Those who are enlightened.  It is pretty self explanatory.
	Besides, I just said who they are.
	Well, two of the five.  I hope you understand, I cannot reveal the other
three, or I would become a warlock, and such is not too nice.

>
>> 	We do not worship ourselves, nor do we deny ourselves.  We control our-
	20 MB deleted by sysop
>> 	My kingdom now, content, on Earth, as xtians dream of being in heaven and
>> were there such a place, would not be so.
>
>You have some pretty interesting thoughts.  Send me some e-mail and maybe we
>can talk.

	No, we can't.  I can write via email, but I do not have a next, so I cannot
talk or replay sampled voices.

>
>> 
>> 	It's funny, I have talked to many xtians that have wondered, from time to 
>> 

	Various deletions.
>> 
>
>
>Interesting.

	NO TRUE!  If you do not believe, you will not sit with the enlightened ones
after the steadfast changing.  The end of this world is coming in order that we may
se the nex one.  Mrk this date on you calendars: december 21, 2012.  Verily I say
unto you, the next world begins thus and then, and the followers of Peul wil be 
taken so that their spirits may be transformed by the enlightened ones into sacred
mao buttons and distributed to the poor in the region of Thud.  Do not be lost,
for only the enlightened ones can protect you from the worldravages in their 
deep and caring embrace.  Only in chaos is there the possibility of Love.
	Embrace the Chaos.

	Do not repent, merely cease.


							Dodger
							Sean Cannon

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Coming out of the closet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:18:52 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

A question in alt.pagan got me thinking recently because it is relevant to me
in a way as well.

How could I tell my parents that I am a Satanist?

Suggestions on alt.pagan (for coming out as a pagan) included easing them into
it gradually, by having them read books that deal with paganism in an indirect
(preferably fictional) manner, and simply telling them in one fell swoop.

I don't know of any fiction books that would help in the least. There are a
couple of books that deal with the topic of Satanism in a respectable manner,
and there is always LaVey, whom I don't agree with, but I don't think this
would work well.

Any suggestions on how I could handle a conversation dealing with my religion?
Normally I don't care what people think, but I love my parents. They are
atheists (at least one is, and I think the other too), so that's a small help.
Can anyone think of relevant books?

This isn't just a hypothetical question, and saying "just don't tell them"
might not work. I will be moving back in with them next year, and I don't
intend to hide ten boxes of books, most of which deal with magick, Satan, and
the queerer parts of religion, nor do I intend to censor my dress.

I don't expect an answer, since the members of this newsgroup tend to come out
only to throw out invading xians, but if someone has any help it would be much
appreciated.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: Mercedes Lackey
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:17:25 GMT

Hey there. Once again my computer-illiteracy is making it tough for me to 
e-mail, so this is a response to Michael Carson over open posting. 
I have read the Diana Tregarde investigations. They kick serious butt, 
although "Children of the Night" is by far the best and the cover artist for
"Burning Water" should be shot. (I especially liked the sequence in "Burning
Water" whee she's pretending to be a Gargoyle Scout. I used to be a Girl
Scout, so I find this sequence particularly amusing, heh heh heh...) The
third book in the "modern" series that you mentioned is called Knight of
Ghosts and Shadows. It and "Summoned to Tourney" are a duology all by
themselves. "Born To Run" is a Novel of the Serrated Edge, which is a series
that, according to the Queen's Own newsletter, has two more books coming
out sometime next year. I loved "Born To Run" but found parts of the other
two to be unnecessarily dumb (although Kory's conflict with the hot tub at
the beginning of "Summoned to Tourney" is priceless). I read "Deryni Rising"
but did not read the rest of the K. Kurtz books. Although I found her
writing and her knowledge of medieval history impressive, I was dismayed
by the lack of decent female characters.
Question: does anyone who subscribes to the Queen's Own newsletter know what
happened to "Winds of Change", which was due out in July? I only got the
sample copy of the newsletter and am curious as to what's going on. Please
reply over open posting, in case other Mercedes Lackey fans are interested.
Thanks!
					Rosaleen Dhu
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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:56:19 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep9.201341.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>> are still no satanists on it.
> 
> Me! Mememememe!

Well, I might have actually found one.

> 
> Most of the people here aren't even Satanists, but of the few who are, the ones
> who actually *believe* are less likely to post, being afraid of recriminations.
> I am one of the vocal exceptions.
> 
>> Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
>> (the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
>> "of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.
>> 
>> Evan Marshall
> 
> What is this "of the devil"? Are you an xian type?

Yep.  Drop me a line on the e-mail and maybe we could exchange opinions?

> 
> --The Antichrist (and that's no joke!) 

All who are not for Christ are antichrist.  (I could find where that is written
if anyone wants to know.)


I'll be waiting to hear from you.
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Keywords: idiot christian is back
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:38:26 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

>>IA YOG SOTOTH!!!
>
>What about learning how to write YOG SOTHOTH before you go around spreading
>his word....How can you worship the great old ones, when you don't even know

Hey! Lovecraft, considered to be an authority on the G.O. ones spelled it
several different ways, one of which is Yog Sototh..

>how to reach their plane.....and what about confirmed sources for what you say?
I don't give knowledge to the profane.

>Lovecraft and Crowley only had fragments of old TchuTchu rituals....everything
>else is the spawn of imagination. By the way....Shub Niggurath was a much 

(insane laughter)- thats what you think- read Kenneth Grant...

>superior god than Yog Sothoth was.....as I mentioned...read your books once
>more.....

IA SHUB NIGGURAUTH (proper Lovecraftian spelling)- Goat with thousand headed
young!!

>
>Ithaqua.....Hastur makes the way of Nyarlathothep.....

ye servante of ye great olde ones...

-Scott


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Self?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:15:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

>Dec.12,2012, my only point of dispair. It is of my opinion that no bible,
>or no astrologer or anyone else claiming to see the future can predict the
>world has to end.  Why does it "have to" come to an end?  I'm going to do
>everything in my power to keep things the way they are, so forget it. Things

this is the date at which the stars will be most favorable for the rousing
of the old ones. I will do everything in MY power to raise Cthulhu BEFORE
this date during the minor astronomical events  between now and then.
A world stupid enough to tolerate things like Ronald Reagan and elevator
music, its destruction cannot commence too soon.

yrs under the elder sign...

-Scott


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.041459.7062@pellns.alleg.edu> stringb@pell4l7.alleg.edu  writes:
>	I'm not sure if that bit of intercourse helped me to further my  
>understanding of Satanism.  (No lewd comments, please.  It's a valid word  
>in a valid context.)  Please, if you will, Mark, enlighten me.
>(That sounded sarcastic, but it wasn't meant to be.)

Not all Satanists are LaVeyan Satanists. So your assumption that
all Satanism is the Satanism described in _The Satanic Bible_ is faulty.
I mention the book, because you have clearly taken some of your
ideas about Satanism from this book.

I'll let the LaVeyan Satanists comment on whether your description
and comments apply to the form of Satanism described in _The Satanic Bible_.

Mark
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:02:43 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <mkellehe-060992224513@lafmacconsultant.lafortune.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu writes:
>
>Well, after playing the devil's advocate and getting a few of you big bad
>Satanists to tell why you really consider yourself as such, I have a few
>insights.
>You're not all the teenage punks playing with magic that I first
>envisioned.
>Actually, most of you sound more like followers of Ralph Waldo Emerson
>than Satan, with all this talk about being self-determined and free willed.
>
>Yet, if you are so free willed, why would you put yourself in the bondage
>of your every sensual pleasure (one of the doctrines of Satanism).
>And why would you label yourselves Satanists? Is it that you are so 
>caught up with an irrational hatred of religion as it was handed down to
>you that to be free means to spite what you claim restricted you?
	
	No... No... No...
	One does not put him/her/itself in bondage to his/her/its every sensual
pleasure.  One simply fulfills such desires as one sees fit, without violating
anyone else's personal freedom (thus excluding rape, bestiality, and child
molestation).  A Satanist puts himself in bondage to no one and nothing.
	I also don't find a hatred of religion irrational in an age where
religious discrimination is approaching a peak unseen since the 1950's.
Family values my sphincter.

						Raymond H. Rich 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:16:23 GMT

In article <mkellehe-060992224513@lafmacconsultant.lafortune.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu  writes:
>
>Well, after playing the devil's advocate and getting a few of you big bad
>Satanists to tell why you really consider yourself as such, I have a few
>insights.

	About Time.  Time for a few more?

>You're not all the teenage punks playing with magic that I first
>envisioned.

	Good Guess!

>Actually, most of you sound more like followers of Ralph Waldo Emerson
>than Satan, with all this talk about being self-determined and free willed.

	Woudn't following RWE or anyone else be the OPPOSITE of free will?

>
>Yet, if you are so free willed, why would you put yourself in the bondage
>of your every sensual pleasure (one of the doctrines of Satanism).
>And why would you label yourselves Satanists? Is it that you are so 
>caught up with an irrational hatred of religion as it was handed down to
>you that to be free means to spite what you claim restricted you?


	To be honest, I don't.  I like to have sex when I want, go to the bathroom
when I think it is a good time to, and get upset, happy, or relaxed when I feel it
is time.
	I don't label myself a satanist.  I label myself a Me.  I happen to think
that a good deal of the satanoic concepts are worthwhile for though and even to
use as a possible belief system, but remember, belief system is abbreviated BS and
that may be a synchronicity if you look at it right.
	No.  I didn;t name it that.  Besides, I am a ME.  I think the majority of
the others on here, besides the few teenage punks, are Thems (Mes to them).
	But we also tend to like to laugh at the absurd reactions we can get out
of people by claiming to be satanists.  Their eyes get all wide and they say "Yew
Wershep thu Divil?"  Then we say "No" and their world falls to pieces.
	To Quote the Principie Discordia, 'tis an ill wind that blows no minds.
	It's not spite, call it humor, expirimental mad psychology, or ontological
geurilla warfare.  Call it anything you like as long as you...

	Grok.

					D
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: replies
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:57:46 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
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>Scott: Shub-Niggurauth is the Goat with a _Thousand_ Young, not thousand-
>headed. However, you were right about the spelling for Yog-Sototh.
>			Rosaleen Dhu
this is true, if you merely accept Lovecraft's books. There is some 
anthropological evidence that it may indeed be "thousand headed"

see Peter Kosimano's "Mysterious Earth"

yrs under the elder sign...

-Scott


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:39:58 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BuIFxL.Jn7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
> 	Oh yes I am.  I am not an elightened one, merely their favored servant.

Who are the enlightened ones?

--Milo
From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Who Is Doctor Greenbaum?
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:58:48 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I've been told that patients suffering from multiple personality disorder
(MPD)and who subsequently recall being made to undergo Satanic ritual abuse
(SRA) during childhood frequently mention a Dr. Green or Greenbaum as the
person in charge of their torture.  Allegedly Dr. Greenbaum was a young
Hasidic jew at the time of the Holocaust.  To save his skin, he agreed to
collaborate with Nazis in the death camps.  Having a profound knowledge of
the Cabala and also of brainwashing tactics, he developed a nearly foolproof
way of programming children to commit sexual acts and then forget about
them.  If exposure were ever threatened, programs installed in their brains
would make former SRA patients self-destruct, either committing suicide or
going completely crazy.

Supposedly Dr. Greenbaum was brought to the US after the war by the US
military, and as brainwashing was seen as a valid weapon against the
Commies, he was given free rein to practice on children in US military
installations.  He apparently is still the kingpin of the secret SRA
conspiracy in this country, with dozens of henchmen monitoring MPD patients and
 keeping detailed records of their torture and programming in laptop
computers.

OK, OK, I'm not convinced (though if I'd have sat in on the relevant
fully accredited workshop at the 4th Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse
and Multiple Personality, I'd have gained 6 credit hours in Category 1 of
the Physicians Recognition Award of the American Medical Association).
And I'm aware of the influence of Ipcress-File-type movies and the old
Svengali legends about women who are hypnotised for sex and scientists who
are hypnotised and told to throw themselves in front of trains.

But who is this Dr. Green?

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Self?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:34:32 GMT

>>>> It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>> 	Yes there are.  You just don't know what one is.
>>>Me! Mememememe!
>>>Most of the people here aren't even Satanists, but of the few who are, the ones
>> 	We claim no responsibility for the absurdness of this individual.
>[rest of aimless ramblings deleted]
>Interesting. You have proclaimed that you are *not* a Satanist, the concept
>merely amuses you. Yet you call yourself an "enlightened one?" You aren't even
>aware of what you speak.

	Oh yes I am.  I am not an elightened one, merely their favored servant.
>
>You have nothing to say, and you waste fantastic amounts of bandwidth doing it.

	Yes I do.  The enlightened ones say to tell you you too can come over
to their fold, and you will one day live in the sky in happiness.
	And don;t fall into the clutches of that cthulu crap!

>You post the longest, dullest, most pointless articles I have ever been
>unfortunate to read. You contribute nothing to this newsgroup (and probably not

	 I cntribute the TRUTH AND ONLY TRUTH!

>any others you post to either). I do not understand why you are even here,
>as you don't seem to be enjoying your stay.

	YES I AM!  MORE SOULS FOR THE SPIRITS OF THE ENLIGHTENED ONES!
	Everyone can be free!
	Blong.  Be something.  Be all you can be. Off we go into the wild blue 
		yonder.

>One more thing:  in the future, address me as "she." Those with the Unholy

	No, I will address you as "Milo" thus spake the enlightened ones and the 
super guru.

>Mandate do not care to have foolish assumptions made about them by dithering

	Why do you complain when you say you do not care?
	Learn to care.  care about your sisters and brothers in the true
feloowship you usually only see exhibited by animals.  w have forgotten the 
law of the hive - er - pack, and it is time for a new beginning.

>idiots. But you'll do better for yourself if you go away and get a life
>instead; that way you won't have to tax your brain by striving to remember that
>not every human on earth is of the same gender.

	You are a Milo.  so said the enlightened ones.  Shut up and be a milo.

>--Semhaza
	bitch
			
								dodger
								Sean Cannon

								Dart
								Wendy


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:16:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick) writes:
:
: However... for most people with strong hearts...
: "It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end!"
:
: 'Course some studies attempted to say that most people died by about
: 5-6 stories down in a fall from a building... now I'd like to know how
: they went about testing *that one*.... ??? :-)
 
Hm - at 20 ft/story - that comes to about 100 or 120 feet. I wonder why
more "bungee jumpers" do not die when jumping.  Guess it just shows that
many studies that do not use experimental data are ful of shit.

 
Bill                 

>ME< Gee Bill, do you think maybe people who fall from a building might
>ME< in some way come into contact with the building (say with their
>ME< heads) after falling 5 or 6 stories? Why do you think bugee jumpers
>ME< take care to jump only from free-standing structures?
>ME< Please think before you dump _your_ shit on the world.

>ME< -Brian
From: WJS112@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:18:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

We put up with these "silly people " for a number of reasons. Besides, who
else would we poke fun at.  Just because you do not think the world is going
well does not mean that the time is right for the world to end.  A world that
is perfect is not a world in which you can grow in.

Stars and things of such can be tricky. Old ideas sometimes have to be changed
in order to be correct. Look at astrology for example. Even to this day, they
use constellations that are not even correct. Many magick books have seals that
are so old that they are not correct anymore. And so on, the story goes.

Just because some outdated book says something, does not make it so. Feel free
to tell me that I am wrong in this matter.  also, I hardly think that one
individual can open all of the gates,seals, use patterns correctly, etc. that
will result in the end of the world, especially if someone else knows what you
are attempting to do and blocks you from doing it.  However, it could become
interesting if a group tried it, but again, i think they would fail. Then again
the future holds many paths, only one path seems to get trampled on though...

                              Have a good one,
                                        illicion, x  vetra...and all sorts of
                                        other fancy words that in themselves
          smitty                        do nothing.
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: well...
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:50:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <92254.004307JAB123@psuvm.psu.edu> JAB123@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   In response to the Cthulhu worshipper (sorry, I don't have the hand of this
>thing entirely yet), are you referring to the Lovecraftian fictual being, or
>just using a different spelling of the Sumerian deity?
>
>>>>>Vengeance

	Puhleeeze!  Cthulhu, though a Fun-Guy (from Yuggoth), is no more an
actual Sumerian deity than Zuul from ghostbusters.  The Necronomicon 
paperback is a cheap new age rip off that uses the Ktulu spelling (as did
Metallica) to avoid copyright infringement.               

					Lovecraft Ftagn,
						Raymond H. Rich

Cthulhu loves me
This I know
For the Mad Arab
Told me so.