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From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Letter to Japanese Emperor Akihito
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:22:43 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu,
              ho@mips.com, ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-us@sdsc.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu,
              china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu, ting_s_wu@ccn.hf.intel.com,
              nguyen@drutx.att.com, china@diva.berkeley.edu

His Majesty Akihito, The Emperor of Japan
c/o Prime Minister' Office
1-6, Nagata-cho, Chiyoda-ku
Tokyo, Japan	   100


October 18, 1992


Your Majesty:


The government of Japan has announced that you will visit China on October
23rd.  The Chinese-Americans in the San Francisco Bay Area like to take the
opportunity to make a few constructive suggestions that would further
the objectives of your trip and make it a far more meaningful endeavor.

Visits of head of state commonly enhance diplomatic relationship between
countries.  The Emperor of Japan in the past has never set foot in China
although the two nations are neighboring each other.  Your trip will not only
bear unsurmountable significance in history, but also set precedent in
nurturing long lasting peace and harmony between the two peoples.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: fgg8386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Fangpu Gao)
Subject: Re: (China Bank)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:52:25 GMT

yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:

>My father said that saving the check to an account directly is not
>allowed in Beijing and Shanghai - strange.
I don't think so.  I have sent checks to Beijing, my family many times.
I only heard a small amount of fee(10 or more RMB Yuan) was charged as 
process fee for each check.  But before the check is cashed, you have to
wait for 40 days for comfirming it.  My wife then opened an account to save
the money in China Bank.   If Yang were charged 20 RMB yuan, it would be
fair.  If it is US$20, it will be another story.  I suggest that Yang
send more money each time, then the charge will be relatively low.

>-- 
>//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
-- 
#+++++++++ Fangpu  Gao  (fgg8386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) +++++++++++++++++++++++#
| Univ of Illinois @ Urbana-Champaign |  461 Freer, 906 S. Goodwin Ave.   |
| Department of Kinesiology           |  Urbana, IL  61801                |
#+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++#
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Shannon Yeh
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:16:42 GMT

In article <92286.143518LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu> <LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Just by curiosity, can somebody tell me WHAT is this guy?
 

Shannon Yeh is a crazy Maoist.

Carl
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: usenet@msdhsv.ingr.com (USENET)
Subject: Re: PRC nationals from Aust. need your help
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:14:27 GMT

In article <6OCT199217194675@rosie.uh.edu>, math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.213237.11077@msdhsv.ingr.com>, usenet@msdhsv.ingr.com (USENET) writes...
|> >In article <9228101.11372@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
|> >|> 89P2820@CSDVAX.CSD.UNSW.EDU.AU writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> C'mon, there will be no human right abuses towards Chinese students when
|> >|> they get back.  China needs the students to help build the bombing economy,
|> >|> the government will not do anything to harm the students.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Most of the students in Australia just want to stay in Australia because
|> >|> Australia is an easy country, easy life, you can get tons of social
|> >|> welfare if you don't work, etc, etc... rather than worried about the
|> >|> non-existence "human right abuses".  Don't lie to me, I live here, I
|> >|> know!
|> >|> 
|> >|> If you think Australia is such a good (easy) country, you should apply
|> >|> like other immigrants, rather than lie to the Aus Gov about human
|> >|> rights abuses in China which 1) does not apply to you 2) creates a even
|> >|> worse image of China in the eyes of always-very-racist Australians.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Go and find a million dollars and apply as a business migrant, or go
|> >|> and obtain a skill that Australia needs... rather than lie to the Aus
|> >|> Gov at the expense of the face and image of all Chinese in the world.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Don't be selfish!!!
|> > 
|> >	Good points! They should be also applied to the CSSs in the U.S. who are
|> >"begging" for the approval of the protection bill. And I want to ask them the 
|> >following question:
|> >	If you go back to China for a home visit in the near future, do you 
|> >want to be arrested and thrown into jail by the CCP (so that you can prove
|> >to the whole world that you are currently not lying, you do need protection)? |> > 
|> First of all,I don't understand this question (maybe due to my poor English
|> or your olcult logic).Well,I'll just try my best: you asked if we want to
|> go to jail when we go back home someday,so that we can show to the world 
|> that we were right.
|> 
|> WE DON'T.

	The point is: you DON'T need protection. Your are not Shen, Tong.

|> 
|> By the way,let me give you some questions: How do you interpret the difference
|> between "beg", "argue" and "apply"? Did you get your visa by applying or
|> begging ? 

	I APPLIED (with the help of our company's lawyer) for my visa through
normal immigration procedure. We did it with dignity. You are BEGGING for the 
never needed protection through CHEATING. 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Subject:      Where can IFCSS get self support money? part 3
Reply-To: UFDZ@UFPINE.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:02:00 GMT

        Where can IFCSS get self support money? part 3
        Everyone knows that IFCSS only have a very limited money source. Dona-
tions are always non-stable source.
        1) IFCSS need cut all expenses unnessary. For example, IFCSS can not
afford too many full time officials because the financial reasons. One or two
full time officials should enough for the financial concern. Other duties can
be taken by part time officials or volunteers. I remember, the first term
president of IFCSS was $800. Therefore part time or volunteer should be
encouraged. be realistic!
        2) Constant service income! IFCSS should look money source from member-
ship card, card holder need pay a fee, for example, $10/year, member will
receive, for example, phone consel with attoney 20 min., group China call rate,
discount car rental,motel, help job hunting, legal advice from CCSA, and many..
. To receive above service, it is simple, you need give a ID card #.
                                                Dawei Zhou, Florida
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: zg11@ellis.uchicago.edu (zening  ge)
Subject: The future Chinese economy...
Reply-To: zg11@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:01:39 GMT

OK, let's talk something which is not so stirring since this group has been
much polluted by the vehement debate about the "politics" or "blood-cards", 
so on and so forth. Recently, the 14th CCP congress has basically outlined 
the future Chinese economy, even through much is left to say, we can tell 
that the Chinese economy, as well as the fundmental thinkings associated with
it, will have a drastical change. 

Believe or not, CCP has gave up one of the "four basic principles", --
the socialist road, when it decides to transform the national economy
to a market-oriented one, or so called market economy. This is a big
step, but a natural consequence of the economic reform beginning from
early 80's. Plus, this is a real "peaceful evolution of the socialism"
(to capitalism). It means the CCP will also lead the capitalism. By
now, it should be very clear that as long as CCP is still the only leader
of the nation, it does not matter what kind of economic system it
runs, so CCP has already gave up another basic principle, -- Marxism.
I think now actually, there is only one "basic principle" it really 
counts, -- the pragmatism.

I'd like to hear from everybody about the impact of this decision.


Cheers!

Zening Ge
Department of Economics, the U of Chicago


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: dxl@philabs.philips.com (Du Li)
Subject: Re: China Bank
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:10:08 GMT

In article <gW7-C1-@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>I have sent many checks back to China for my son. None of them gets any problem.
>My experience is pretty good with Bank of China. Actually, I think 20 yuan which is
>less than US$4 service charge is very fair, or maybe too cheap comparing to the 
>bank charge by an American bank. It costed $20 for me to cash a personal check
>in UK and I was told that it is a flat service charge for cashing a foreign check.
>
>In my opinion, $20 mentioned by the original poster may be charged by American
>banks.
........
>
>J Chen
>Department of Chemistry
>University of Michigan


My bank never charge me for cashing any type of checks.  So be sure, you find
the right bank for you.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: A victory?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:33:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.143336.15330@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <Bw1Fo3.2Jp@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>>	See, all these China bashing currently going on is more or less
>>fueled by these people who are desperate enough to do anything to get
>>their green cards.  (Read Dr. Zhao Haiqing's messages again to see
>>how he described the difference between "high-profile lobby on CMFN"
>>and "low-profile lobby on greencard".).  Once they got what they
>>want, there is no more motivation for continuing this silly and
>>disgusting game (except for a few would-be politicians, of course).
>
>Eddie, I think you are disgusting by saying so. There are plenty of
>people that have nothing to do with the greencard issue, what game 
>are they playing? 

	Certainly there are some, but not plenty after you discounted
Dr. Zhao Haiqing and Co.  I assume you are aware of what Ms. Nancy
Pelosi said on this whole thing?  (ZHQ did quote her in one of his
reports.)

	By the way, the word "difference" in my earlier post, quoted 
above, should have been "relation".

>I respect your opinion regarding MFN, hope you at least show some
>respect to other human rights activists too.

	I respect those who at least try to present a whole, unbiased
picture of China's human rights situation and its progress.  I do
not respect those who present biased pictures and try to mess up
human rights issues with trade and weapon sales.  I consider this 
as a pollution to the ideal of human rights.  It imposes difficulty 
for real human rights advocates to do their job once they realize 
that they have to defend the trade, which is one of the major forces 
behind the improvement of human rights.

	Mr. Chen Zimin had once had to give up or postpone his planed
hunger strike in jail to protest ill conditions in jail just so
that he could help to preserve China's MFN status with US.

	And how can you expect me to respect someone who claim that
the achievements of China's open-door policy in recent years should
be attributed primarily to prisoner labor products?



	 Eddie

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: IFCSS HQ NR-4052:  Situation Analysis and Strategy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:45:42 GMT

In article <BvrIFq.MKu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU> writes:
>**************************************************************
>IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4052       October 7, 1992
>             SITUATION ANALYSIS AND STRATEGY
>**************************************************************
>Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
>   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
>         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
>                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu
>
>
>             Situation Analysis and Strategy
>             ===============================

	[portion deleted here]
>
>     We want to find some one, an American would be better, who
>is well-known or influential to ask the question for us. The
>President of University of California, Berkeley, Mr. Tian
>Chang Ling would be an ideal choice if we can get his help.
>
>     We urge CSS across the nation to think about who are capable
>of doing this, contact them, and also let the HQ know.
>
>     The question should be in this line:
>
>     "The Congress has passed a Chinese Student Protection Act
>which is waiting for your approval. According to staffers in the
>White House, the bill has cleared all administrative reviews and
>is waiting for your signature. Your staffers also said that you
>will sign the bill. My question is: When are you going to sign
>the bill?"
>
>     We hope to get a definite "yes" or "no" answer from Bush
>in front of millions of TV viewers. If we can get some words
>from him directly, we can decide tomorrow what to do in the next
>several days.

Big mistake. If you make this issue public, he will say, "I haven't
decided," and then he'll veto it. You stand a better chance doing
nothing. 

If a PRC Chinese asks the question the way you've phrased it,
it's gonna look like you're demanding that the President take action.
And Americans watching will think, "Who the *hell* are you to tell
our President what to do?" If you know he's gonna sign it, then why 
ask when? If you don't know if he's gonna sign it, then why ask it
in the manner it's phrased? It's offensive.

If an American asks the question, it's OK to ask it that way. But
setting up an American spokesman as a front for your organization
ranks right up there with the Kuwaiti government sending the ambassador's
daughter incognito to testify to the U.S. Congress on Iraqi crimes she may 
or may not have witnessed.
From: yu@bilbo.gra.vtt.fi (Xiaohan Yu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 07:42:00 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
NNTP-Posting-Host: bilbo.gra.vtt.fi

Hi, friend:
I feel sorry for your story. I often send money back to China through
China Bank, and usually in US Dollars. Your story never happend to me
and other friends I know in Finland. So I suggest you to check it 
again. It might be due to the local bank or other ' local regulations'.
 I am not here arguing for China Bank but suggest you to investigate
carefully in case...
hope you can get your money back soon.
 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "(Yao Li)" <li@sce.carleton.ca>
Subject:      Ottawa CSSA Newsletter #10 (header)
Reply-To: "(Yao Li)" <li@sce.carleton.ca>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:16:15 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@UGA.cc.uga.edu

Dear recipient,

The following is the Ottawa CSSA monthly Chinese newsletter (Lian/ Yi\ Tong-
Xun\), (Issue 10) in uuencoded GB, named as "lytx10.uue". The e-mail version,
published on the 15th of the month, is a text version that excludes graphics.
The hard-copy version is published on papers, distributed at Ottawa CSSA
activities for free.


                          Table of Contents
                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 1. LYH Special Offer to Visa Students in Financial Plight ............ Li Yao
 2. LYH Emergency Service for New Comers ......................... Meng Heping
 3. Essay: The Letter From A Girl in Shanghai ....................... Fangfang
 4. The Elements of Music ............................................ Lan Hua
 5. How to Change Oil for Your Car ................................... Shi Lei
 6. Sports News .................................................... Gao Lijun
 7. Ottawa Attended the 2nd Sino-Canada Conference ................ Jiang Yong
 8. Chinese Professionals Association of Canada Forming Up ......... Cao Yalin
 9. Recent News from Ottawa Science and Technology Salon ............ Zhang Ji
10. Diary of the Maple-Leaf Tour ................................. Xu Yaozhong
11. LYH Hot-line Service ......................................... Meng Heping
12. LYH Video Tape Loaning Service--Rules and Collection List ... Zhang Jinyun
13. Ad Policy on LYTX ................................................. Li Yao


You can subscribe LYTX (uuencoded GB) by sending a message to LI Yao at
                         li@sce.carleton.ca
The traffic of LYTX mailing list is one issue per month per subscriber.

You can also get the all past issues of LYTX from the internet anonymous ftp
site:
     IP    crl.nmsu.edu  or  128.123.1.18
     DIR   /pub/chinese/fonts/lytx/
     FILES lytx001.uue, lytx002.uue, lytx003.uue, lytx004.uue, ...

To read the email version LYTX, follow the procedure of reading HXWZ.

LYTX is calling for Chinese articles on
   - your literary work (thus no restriction on where you are);
   - things related to CSS;
   - anything related to Ottawa LYH.
Your article, preferably in uuencoded GB form, should be sent to
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.china
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: A victory?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:32:14 GMT

In article <Bw1Fo3.2Jp@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>
>	Oh Mark, you did miss his point.  :-(
>
>	See, all these China bashing currently going on is more or less
>fueled by these people who are desperate enough to do anything to get
>their green cards.  (Read Dr. Zhao Haiqing's messages again to see
>how he described the difference between "high-profile lobby on CMFN"
>and "low-profile lobby on greencard".).  Once they got what they
>want, there is no more motivation for continuing this silly and
>disgusting game (except for a few would-be politicians, of course).

As a matter of fact, most criticisms on the CCP's brutal treatment of Chinese 
people are not from the green card seekers but from conscentious Chinese 
who have no need to use the signed bill to settle in this country. Trying
to smear them by suggesting the dirty motivation is just dirty politics.
Nothing less, nothing more. I don't know the motivation behind Eddie'
accusation. But I suggest him to search his own soul.

>	In all my sadness on what had happened, I sincerely wish to see
>this scenerio to occur as a possible good by-product.  I also hope
>to see more CSS to come out and defend China's trade status now that
>the green card issue is settled (and some people can now get their
>souls back).

What has happend is wonderful. Humanity won, justice won. It is a victory
of American and Chinese people. It deserves celebration. Why sad at all?

Yes, we know some opportunists who took advantage of other people's 
endeavour. But sending a message to the Chinese government is more
important than paying attention to these opprtunists. We all know that
the message has resulted in the positive changes in treating ordinary 
Chinese people and intellectual achievements in China. But apparently 
the changes are still not enough to guarantee people's freedom to seek 
truth. Continuous pressure is not only necessary, but also instrumental.
Never think that the Chinese government made those changes on its own.
They are the results of people's struggle with the Chinese government
and if the struggle stops, you can bet the changes will cease.

Look at the bright side, Eddie. People are not as bad as you think, unless
you have your own agenda. :-)
___
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:36:45 GMT

In article <Bw0ys2.78s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU writes:
>Well, I had the same experience last year. That's the Bank (should be
>China Bank, I'm not sure) in Nanning, GuangXi. I used to send my family
>...
>apologize and give those money back to all victims. Could IFCSS take
>care of this and ask for a reasonable explanation from China Bank?
>
>
>William Deng

===============

Folks: 
	Bank of China may not be as bad as that. It could be some clerks
corrupted and took advantages of innocent Chinese people.

					- CJX
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: sugg10-7 (Should IFCSS carry out this "responsbility"?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:44:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.115426.6643@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>...
>You must be kidding! Do you really think Bush would be afraid of these
>"radical" students? What, are they all going to turn into Lu Gang's or
>what? The Chinese students are *nothing* to Bush, except very insignificant
>pawn in a political game. You are seriously overestimating the influence of
>the students. First of all, they don't vote. And if they did, they would
>make up much less than 1% of the population. There are many more environmental
>extremists out there and they have no effect at all on Bush. Why do you think
>the Chinese students are so threatening to him?

Many CSSs are making calls to the White House. They are help boom 
business and increase employment. Showing this generosity, they are
treating the president friendly in his re-election.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: sijin@dxcern.cern.ch (Sijin Qian)
Subject: Re: IFCSS Council News Release CN4007-report on 2nd Council Teleconference
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:15:50 GMT

	SHEN, Tong attend the IFCSS Council Tele-conference on 10/3/92? Or, 
(s)he is another person other than the one being arrested in Peking? Or the name
is TONG, Shen? Please clear the confusion. Thanks lot.
From: szhao@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: <None>
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:51:52 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Ping Ding)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Where Yeh?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:55:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <92288.110509QXF1@psuvm.psu.edu> QXF1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> Hi everyone,Where is our Yeh? He seems to be quiet since Bush signed the  
bill.
> I guess he must be very depressed. Poor guy.
He is not quiet at all. Read the net soc.cul.china.. He is fighting
to CSS continually. 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: C0199@UNIVSCVM.BITNET (D. Liang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Campaign II
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:54:23 GMT
Reply-To: "D. Liang" <C0199@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University

Is it a right time to start another round of campaign for those who
came after the magic date to get certain kind of protection?

IFCSS, don't forget the new comers.
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