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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: More Thoughts about Flyers-Penguins
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:55:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) says:

>> 
>
>I missed that mistake, but since Tocchet is wearing 22 for the Pens now,
>it's a mistake that could've been made even if he weren't a former FLYER.
>I liked ESPN's coverage, but my biggest complaint is that Gary Thorne didn't
>keep us up to date on who was on the ice. Maybe I'm spoiled by Mike Emrick,
>but if this game is ever going to attract the non-NHL fan they are going
>to have to start doing a better job of keeping people up to date. Too
>many times I heard "and he goes off the ice" and not a word about who
>"he" was and who was coming on. And what about "Lemieux breaks in 2 on
>1"?? Well, who the hell is the other guy? Who's the defenseman?

Can't agree wit you more.  Plus, it was hard for the AVID pens fan to
watch yesterday because Bowman mixed the lines up SO much.  At least the
Tocchet-Lemieux-Stevens line stayed out there as a unit, but the rest
was totally mixed up.

BTW: Since Coffey left, has Francis always been on the point on the
power play with Murphy?
>
>pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
>

-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
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From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Penalty Minutes Standings so far.
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:02:18 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization

Does anyone have the standings for penalty minutes so far ?

Don
don@island.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: Re: NHL Results for 6 October 1992
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:52:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.134408.4851@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>
>
>NHL STANDINGS FOR 6 OCTOBER 1992
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE           CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE
>     PATRICK           ADAMS               NORRIS             SMYTHE
>
>      W  L  T  Pts       W  L  T  Pts       W  L  T  Pts       W  L  T  Pts
>NJD   0  0  0   0  BOS   0  0  0   0  CHI   0  0  0   0  CAL   0  0  0   0
>NYI   0  0  0   0  BUF   0  0  0   0  DET   0  0  0   0  EDM   0  0  0   0
>NYR   0  0  0   0  HFD   0  0  0   0  MIN   0  0  0   0  LAK   0  0  0   0
>PHI   0  0  0   0  MTL   0  0  0   0  STL   0  0  0   0  SJS   0  0  0   0
>PIT   0  0  0   0  OTT   0  0  0   0  TMP   0  0  0   0  VAN   0  0  0   0
>WAS   0  0  0   0  QUE   0  0  0   0  TOR   0  0  0   0  WIN   0  0  0   0
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Wow! All the games ended in a 0 to 0 tie. What a coincidence! :)

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From: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)
Subject: Re: How does Lemieux's new salary affect Gretzky
Reply-To: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:42:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.124359.19670@cbnews.cb.att.com>, chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:

|>
|>In article <1992Oct6.131411.2757@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
|>>
|>>I think Craig Patrick just took over from Ron Caron as the resident jerk in the
|>>eyes of NHL GM's. This is the contract by which all future contracts will be
|>>judged. How long before Hull, Lindros, Yzerman, Lafontain, etc. want more
|>>money? Can you spell LOCKOUT?
|>
|>	I think hockey players are different from all other pro athletes,
|>most are not in it for the money! They are playing to be playing!
|>
|>- Dan


I agree that hockey players in general seem to be more like "regular 
guys" than other athletes (especially baseball players it seems), and the 
media consensus tends to be that hockey players are much easier to deal with
than other athletes.  However, I think that "playing for the love of the 
sport" is the way most pro athletes start out, and to be paid (very well, I 
might add) to play is a dream come true.  Unfortunately, the obscene amounts 
of money that are involved have caused many athletes to lose their perspective
and forget just how fortunate they are.  I believe that as salaries in hockey
increase, we will see the more of the same thing happen in hockey.  Of course,
it'll probably never even approach the extent of that which is evident in MLB
because the NHL will never get that kind of TV money... 


-lisa

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: detlev@bnr.ca (Detlev Grad)
Subject: USENET HOCKEY POOL list of teams
Reply-To: detlev@bnr.ca (Detlev Grad)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:20:47 GMT


i was wondering if andrew could post the list of teams
entered in this year's hockey pool.	

i have this hideous feeling that my team entry might not
have made it to andrew's e-mail address. does anyone else
this feeling?					






detlev
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: More Thoughts about Flyers-Penguins
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:48:11 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct7.125833.16028@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:

> 3)  Does Pit (or Pitt) have a fan replay referee business instead of
>     a fan announcer business?  That was an improper callback of
>     a goal.  Hoggarth saw the whole damn thing and he said it was
>     good.

In fact, it was a proper callback. Fedyk clearly moved the puck over the goal
line with his body and not his stick. That's what the reply system is for, to
allow the referee to get a second opinion.

> 4)  Lemieux is still the biggest baby I have ever seen (still a great
>     hockey player though).  What I mean by this is all his 
>     bitching about people holding his stick, etc... and then he
>     holds Benning's jersey and then falls down faking when Benning
>     gives him a love tap.  Sure the hit was a little more than 
>     a love tap but still.....

I don't give a damn how hard he hit him. It was still a spear, and Benning got
the penalty he deserved. Rule 78 (A) of the NHL rulebook reads that "a major
penalty shall be imposed on a player who spears or attempts to spear an
opponent". He doesn't even need to make contact, just the attempt is good
enough.

Spearing is one of the most vicious penalties in hockey, and cannot be 
tolerated.

> 5)  Roussel played his Butt off!  If he keeps this up (or the flyers defense
>     keeps it up!) Roussel will be the Vezzina winner for sure!

He played well, but it's only one game. Let's not cast the ballots yet.....

							Alan
From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Some stupid jokes from the local paper
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:45:29 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <oeoNJa600iUz41d21s@andrew.cmu.edu>, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna
Matyas) writes:
|> >Slot: Area directly in front of.... Phil Esposito carved a career
|> here.
|> 
|> So "cherry picker" wasn't one of the terms???
|> 
|> Mom.

Sure it was.

Cherry Picker: see "Brett Hull"

-- 
+===================================================================+
| Rick Casares			            Silicon Graphics        |	
| cubfan@wrigley.corp.sgi.com		    2011 N. Shoreline Blvd  |
| "Just wait till next year."               Mountain View, CA 94039 |
+===================================================================+
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: UK-HOCKEY : League Results and Tables (12 Oct 92)
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:13:25 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kjc7435@ultb

Could you please keep us Division Three fans alerted as to how
our teams are doing?  Flame me if you want, but I'm still a 
Sunderland Indians fan...

Thanks!!!  What's up with the Durham Wasps this year?? For the
best team in England in 1991 it appears they're not up to much
presently.....

K. Cater.

e-mail: "kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Opening Night!
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <1992Oct7.053447.10489@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <92280.152139RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>New Jersey    25:1        San Jose     500,000:1
>
>Where can I find these odds? :-)  I have to think that it would be worth it
>to bet one dollar on the Sharks in case of a miracle to make a small fortune.
>The Sharks got to have better than a 1/500000 chance of winning the Cup.

Oh Nelson, now we're gonna have the math majors all over us again
explaining about how odds of 500k:1 don't mean a 1/500k chance.
Besides, don't be a homer -- put the buck on the Senators at 1M:1.

George
-- 
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Dept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527
Rochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: richard@torag.guild.org (Richard Quan)
Subject: Boston Bruins info
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:53:39 GMT
Organization: Torag Public Access Unix, Toronto


Hi,

I haven't been able to keep up with the happenings of my favourite team: the 
Boston Bruins.  Can anyone provide me the following information:

1.  What trades/acquisitions did the Bruins make this summer?

2.  Who did the Bruins draft and where are they now?

3.  Who is on the Bruins pro roster and what can you tell me about them?

4.  The players that left, where are they now and how are they doing?

Thanks in advance.
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: On-ice ads
Keywords: Foodland instead of the quote
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:45:32 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>I guess I'm being old fashioned.  I just think ads don't belong on 
>the ice. How does everyone else feel about this issue?

I can live with it on the boards (it didn't bother me when I first saw
it on European rinks) as long as they're well spaced out with plenty
of white space like right now.  I could even live with graphics that
change from period to period (McNall has invested in an L.A. startup
that is trying to develop this, with a cover sufficiently strong so 
as not to have the flatpanel screen smashed -- that's the kicker).

On the ice, however, that is tacky and can also lead to problems in
seeing the puck if something is overly colourful with lots of black.
I've seen them on recent European rinks, all over the surface, and
it is not aesthetically appealing.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: Player scoring after 2 games
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:59:56 GMT

Rnk  Pts  G   A PG SG EG PS Cty Tm  Ps  #  Player
---  --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- -- --  ------
 13    4  4   0  3  0  0  0 CAN TB  LW 16  Chris Kontos
 37    3  0   3  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   C 18  Rob DiMaio
 37    3  0   3  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   D 29  Joe Reekie
 37    3  0   3  0  0  0  0 CAN TB  LW  7  Rob Zamuner
 76    2  1   1  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   D  3  Doug Crossman
162    1  1   0  1  0  0  0 CAN TB   D 25  Marc Bergevin
162    1  1   0  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   C  8  Ken Hodge
162    1  1   0  0  0  0  0 CIS TB  RW  9  Anatoli Semenov
162    1  0   1  0  0  0  0 USA TB  LW 24  Danton Cole
162    1  0   1  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   C 10  Adam Creigton
162    1  0   1  0  0  0  0 CAN TB  LW 17  Basil McRae
162    1  0   1  0  0  0  0 CAN TB  RW 14  John Tucker
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 SWE TB  RW 34  Mikael Andersson
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   C 19  Brian Bradley
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 USA TB  RW 27  Stan Drulia
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 TCH TB   D 44 *Roman Hamrlik
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 USA TB  LW 23  Mike Hartman
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 USA TB   G 35  Pat Jablonski
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   D  5  Rob Ramage
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 ?   TB   D  2  Stephane Richer
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 USA TB   D 32  Peter Taglianetti
313    0  0   0  0  0  0  0 CAN TB   G  1  Wendell Young
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Subject: Canucks 8 - Jets 1 (Bure = 4 goals)
Reply-To: harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:51:27 GMT

A quicky post.

Canucks trounced Winnipeg 8-1 before an announced crowd of just
under 14,000 persons. 

Bure scored 4 goals and added 1 assist. Not a bad night.
Three of his goals came in the 2nd period. Two of them were
short-handed.

I hope Bure does a lot more penalty killing in the future :-)

It was his 2nd hat trick of his career, but his best performance 
to date.

Other goals were scored by Ronning, Adams, Courtnall, and Linden.
Winnipeg's loan marker was scored by Housley early in the third 
while on a powerplay.

Courtnall has been flying in the first 3 games. He should get at
least 35-40 goals this season. And don't laugh, I'm not the only
one in Vancouver who thinks this. A lot of the media, etc. are
predicting this. 

Shots were 39 for Vancouver, 24 for Winnipeg. 


Jeff Harrison (harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca)
-- sunny and hot (NOT!), Vancouver, B.C.


BTW. Talking about the best lines in hockey, I was thinking about
how good a Mogilny-Federov-Bure line would have been had they 
stayed together for a few more years. Would've had to use slow-mo
replay to see the goals :-)
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Bad news for hockey purists
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:37:42 GMT

During the Chi/TB game, one of the announcers talked with the new pres.
(Gil Stein?). They talked about the success of Tampa (this was before the
game). Now I thought that Ziegler played a major role in Tampa getting a
team (much to the demise of hockey purists -- i.e. hockey is Canada's game,
everyone else doesn't know how to play, etc.) With his ousting, I didn't
think my hope of a team in the south (Atlanta, Houston, or anywhere down
here) would come true. BUT, Stein said that hockey would come new areas.
It was his intent to get better exposure to the game (like hockey on ESPN)
and bring it to new markets. He said in about two years, it is very likely
that another team would come to Florida. Miami is the prime candidate still
and he specifically mentioned it.

Hockey south of the border, women goalies, what next? I'm glad to see it,
but I await all of the belly-aching that went on here when Tampa got its
team. I'm sure people are still predicting that Tampa will move (ala Atlanta)
but if that move doesn't occur before the inception of a new south team, it
isn't likely to happen at all.

On ESPN, I didn't comment on it before but it really irked me when some guy
(who? I don't care) on the net whined about not getting 4 games a week on SC,
and that those of us who don't get SC (the majority) can fork out the money
to go to sports bars. Well, whoever you are, how much money have you spent
at the bars lately? You did take your own advice didn't you. Sure is nice
arguing about getting hockey on the TV you're trying to watch, choking
because of all the cancer addicts, trying to hear over the juke-box (how
come you can't put a quarter in the TV?), trying to avoid getting the beer
spilled on you, etc. You may only watch football, basketball, or baseball
down here because the owners are only interested in the big crowds.

Tom
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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Re: It's on KBL (was Re: ESPN Schedule for Oct.-Dec.)
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<92276.150808RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
	<1992Oct5.194838.6101@philabs.philips.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:46:52 GMT

John P. Curcio writes:

  > >over KBL - Mike Lange is a better play by play man.  Of course, people might
  > >watch ESPN so they don't have to put up with Steigy!!!!!!!

  >Have you ever HEARD anyone else, or is the the de facto best since he
  >is from Shittsburg?   -JPC

Neat nickname.  How did San Diego get it?

Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Right handers playing left handed hockey
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:13:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester


	Ok all you goaltenders out there, I have got a question for you.
I play out of net left handed so therefore, when I play in net my
stick is in the wrong hand to use easily with the gloves (or the
gloves are on the wrong hand to use the stick easily...)  Anyway,
my glove hand is only a little inferior on the right hand than it is
on the left, and only because I can't afford left handed equipment!
Plus, when I play lefty the crouch is very uncomfortable with the
stick in my left hand.

	So what would be easier?  Playing goalie lefty with proper equipment,
thereby allowing me to handle the puck easier, or to just stick it out
righty and make due with one handed righty passes?  Any other goalies
out there experience this?

	AND, if I can play hockey lefty, why can't I swing a golf club or
baseball bat just as easily?  As far as baseball is concerned I tried
switch hitting for a whole summer and it was still awkward.  Gotta
love these lefty/righty brain things!

Kev
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Borschevsky (wasRe: NHL STATS FOR OCTOBER 7th)
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct12.115428.29122@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:

>In article <1992Oct10.011439.2787@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>>
>>I wonder, do they count the Finnish and Swedish leagues as "major professioanl
>>leagues"? 

>No. The Finnish and Swedish leagues are technically seen as amateur leagues.
>Whether they really are amateur could be discussed, 'Half-pro' would be 
>closer to the truth IMO..

This depends of the definition of "major professional".

There are players in both the Sedish and Finnish leagues that have no other
income than the money they get by playing hockey and there are players that
have a reasonable salary from hockey but who have a full time job besides and
some years ago there were players that received very little money for hockey,
but had a full time job. Today I believe that there are really few players
in this category. 

In the Soviet Union one could say that the top clubs had only full time
hockey players, though their paychecks knew a profession like army captain
or police sergeant or 'product controller in the chemikal factory'. 

I believe that 10 years ago the proportion of full time hockey players
was bigger in the Soviet Union top teams than the Swedish and Finnish
top teams. Today the situation is reversed. The exodus of top players
has affected the crowds, last week there was some news that games between
Spartak and Dynamo or Dynamo and ZSKA drew only about 2000 spectators.
When the governement is not anymore footing the bills, you can imagine
that there are no fat paychecks for the players.

I think that the Swedish and Finnish leagues should be called semi-pro
leagues, because there are players that pursue anothrer careers besides
hockey and there are players that do not play for the money and do not
count hockey as their future main livelihood. 

>>If they do, then a guy like Selanne would not be eligible. They never
>>counted the Russian league as one, though. Witness Sergei Makarov and Pavel
>>Bure...
>>
>>								Alan
>>

The "Makarov" rule should be dropped. A newcomer to NHL is a rookie,
wherever he had played before that. I wonder what was the status of
Jean Beliveau, when he came to the Montreal Canadiens after have played
four years in Quebec.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

>Staffan
>--
> ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson
>  \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se
>\\_))//-|| contact for Swedish hockey
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,alt.fan.letterman
From: veatch@cs.toronto.edu (Tim Veatch)
Subject: Re: Manon Rheaume on Tonight's Show?
Keywords: Manon Rheaume NHL Tampa Bay Lightnings
Reply-To: veatch@cs.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto
Fake-Sender: "Tim Veatch" <vvv@cs.toronto.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:39:45 GMT

vv1@csri.toronto.edu (Marc J. Ouellette) writes:

>Someone in rec.sport.hockey was wondering if Manon Rheaume was really
>supposed to be on Letterman tonight (Sep 29th). 

>For the hockey neophytes, Manon Rheaume is the female goalie who has
>been given a try-out with the NHL expansion franchise in Tampa Bay.

She s'posed to be on tonight (Friday Oct 9)
From: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Minnesota-Calgary Summary
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:59:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct16.220225.12556
Reply-To: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-4017]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu

In article <1992Oct14.160700.681@u.washington.edu>, 
hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) writes...
>clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International) writes:
> 
>Flames 4, North Stars 3
>        At Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Joel Otto and Joe Nieuwendyk scored in a
>64-second span midway through the second period as the Flames won their
>third straight. A crowd of only 8,783 attended the game at the 11,500-
                                 ^^^^^
>seat Saskatchewan Place in the first of 24 NHL games that will be played
>at neutral sites this season.

    What happened? I would have expected the games in Saskatoon to sell
out. There has certainly been interest up there in getting a franchise and
I know there are a lot more than 11,500 hockey fans in the area. So why
didn't they show up?

Bob
From: cc464@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rick St. Pierre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Need Bos/NJ mailing list info
Date: 8 Oct 1992 02:04:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Would someone please send me information regarding either
Bruin or Devils mailing lists?

If possible, send replys to:  rsp@kirkof.psu.edu
and not the address in the header as I do not use this account
often.

Thanks.
Rick.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gmarven@sanjuan.UVic.CA (Grant Marven)
Subject: SM liiga - Karpat?
Summary: Where are Karpat?
Keywords: Finnish league, Karpat
Organization: University of Victoria
Date:  8 Oct 92 19:33:02 GMT

Can anyone give me any information about the finnish team 
from Oulu, Karpat?  I thought they were to be contenders for 
SM liiga.  Have they lost again?

Thanks.  Andi.
respond to gmarven@sanjuan.uvic.ca