From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:36:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.095127.12398@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>Roger Lustig writes:

>>>  So the Palestinians' case is
>>>not at all out of the topic.  And I don't really accept the excuse that
>>>Gaza is not a part of Israel, but just an occupied territory.  By whom
>>>is it, thou, occupied?  

>>No, not by me.  By thee?  But that's beside the point -- SHOULD a 
>>country occupying territory try to assimilate the people there?

>This is the top of nationalist arrogance.

What: a question?  Why not tell us what Israel should do with Gaza and
its people.  Take note of the wars and cease-fires and policies of 
Israel and its neighbors over the last 44 years.  

Then tell me what's nationalist about what I wrote, and what's arrogant
about it.

>>But it's *STILL* pointless to drag in the obviously aberrant case of 
>>Israel, ...

>I don't know whether Israel is an aberrant case, but *you* certainly are.

Well, that *settles* it.  I take it then, you *still* can't tell me why
Israeli policty toward the occupied territories is relevant to Polish
anti-Semitism in the 1930's.

>>No, you idiot.  <---- expletive.  Please note.

>Maybe this is your normal way of talking with people, but among the
>civilized part of mankind it is considered a bad form.

No, my friend, it's NOT bad form.  After you have, for no good reason,
accused me of saying something akin to denying the Holocaust, after 
you have several times twisted my words, after you have conveniently deleted
the substantial portion of messages when it show up your cheap tricks,
then it is entirely appropriate to use a mild insult.  Many people would
say far worse.

>>Oh, shut up.  We don't discuss Gaza on comp.os.unix or rec.sport.baseball,
>>*either*-- is that further evidence of callousness?

>No comments.

How could you?  Your assertion -- that my refusal to bring Israel into
a discussion of Polish anti-Semitism constitutes special pleading,
racism, nationalism, and thoughtcrime -- is so preposterous that I,
in your shoes, would be hard pressed to come up with anything else to
say.

>>Almost all Poles lived in Poland in the 1890's, say.

>Not true, but anyway I don't think it has any importance.

For a comparison with Israel, which has only a small proportion of the
world's Jews?

>>                                                      Most Jews do NOT
>>live in Israel.

>But those who do are not Martians, I suppose.

Yes? What does this mean?  They are humans.  State our case.

>>Yes, here we go again.  Read the header again.

>You're indeed ridiculous.  I could as well change the header, if
>that's all your problem.

You might as well, since you're no longer interested in the topic.

>Summary:  Mr. Lustig, right now you've ALMOST manage to make an
>anti-Semite out of me.

I see.  What one person says could tempt you to hate all of his 
ethnic group?  Nice.  Very nice.  You *are* an idiot.

>  Congratulations, bub.  Keep up your good
>work.  And don't you forget to complain on any occasion about more
>and more anti-Semitism all around you. 

I read you loud and clear: anti-Semitism is the fault of those uppity
Jews.  I've heard the charge before...

> Still I believe that most Jews are smarter than you.

And they're so *clever,* too.  You really are hung up on Jews, aren't 
you?

>Greetings to s.c.j. readers.

Very nice.  Now pull your pants back up.

Roger