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Subject: Re: *Piercing Rings and Metal Detectors at airports*
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 23 Sep 92 09:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> happened.  I had visions of the ring shredding my lip as it tore
-> itself free, but nothing whatsoever happened.  Of course, the film
-> may be screwed up--no results 'til tomorrow.  Sure hope I don't have
-> a tumor.

 You might have a tumor, but you wouldn't pull the ring and use a
temporary piece of monofilament while getting an NMR scan?

 You must really be attached to that ring.  No pun intended...
                                     
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:46:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.010628.14748@odin.corp.sgi.com> batman@lenny.corp.sgi.com writes:
>	Tattoos hurt. No question about it. You're getting poked
>	with a needle; it hurts. Anyone who tells you it doesn't is
>	either being macho or has no pain threshold.
>
>	But the thing with pain is that it's not so much pain that's
>	the issue, but FEAR of pain; once you overcome that, it's just
>	a sensation; an unpleasant one (Or a pleasant one, depending
>	on your mindset and pain threshold), but not a big deal. The
>	trick is to remember that it's your *fear* that must be
>	overcome.

I couldn't agree more. Since I started reading this group, and poking
needles into myself, and getting poked by another, my fear of pain has
become a silly thing to me. Of course, I fear being injured, but that's 
different. A tattoo doesn't injure you. 

I described my first experience under the needle as an alternating sensation
of being cut with an exacto, traced with an icicle, drawn on with a soldering
iron. Might not sound so good, but I was toying with my perception of the 
sensation the entire time. I found it to be much less unpleasant if I watched
the needle. That way I could concentrate on the sensation and take control
of how I was reacting to it. A really invigorating experience. I rather liked
it. You're not going to run screaming from the chair, 

>		The bottom line is, don't be afraid, and it won't 
>	be that bad.

I say go in with curiosity. 'What's *this* going to be like??'

>			-Karl
>--
>		No Sig.		No Job.		No Worries.

ARGH, I didn't need to see that..

Tim ;-)

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Stupid Bodyart Tricks
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:31:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.063533.17150@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>: 
>Yes I remember reading a simular article involving a conveyer belt
>in a Medicial Journal.  Considering the source I believe the version
>I read was true.: 

The story was reprinted from a Medical Journal.

>--
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>|                            J.H.  |
>____________________________________
>
>The usual disclaimer of self and employer applies to all above comments.
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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Stupid Bodyart Tricks
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 06:35:33 GMT

The Jumpin Dude (tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu) wrote:
: There is a really horrible story about a stupid sap that 
: attempted to repair his scrotum with a staple gun following
: a close encounter with a , um, well, I wouldn't call it an
: everyday sort of sex toy, on alt.sex.
: A potential squicker, you might just have to check it out.
: It reminded me of our long lost friend.
: 
Yes I remember reading a simular article involving a conveyer belt
in a Medicial Journal.  Considering the source I believe the version
I read was true.: 

--
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| Excuse me while I kiss the sky!  | 
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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: EYEBROW
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 20:39:37 EDT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:

> :    I'm thinking about getting my Eyebrow pierced, but I'm not sure about
> : it.  I had the guy who would pierce it explain it to me, but I don't
> : know how painful it is, during and after the piercing.  Will anyone who
> : knows please send me some E-mail?  Thanks
> 
> I never heard of eyebrow piercing before.  If any has any info on this
> please post it, as I'm sure many of us would be interested in hearing
> about it.

I've seen a couple. One woman had a really teensy barbell through the
outer part of the eyebrow. Almost unnoticable unless you looked close at
her face. I found it kind of attractive, and would consider getting one
myself. She said it also felt very nice to have it played with.


--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
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From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: The first tattoo
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:43:50 GMT

Yow! Sounds painful. I'm thinking about making the leap and getting
a smallish fish tattoo on my forearm, about an inch and a half below
the inside of the elbow. What I'm interested in is what kinds of things
I should look out for when trying to find an artist. Plus the pain
thing kinda bothers me... maybe someone could explain just exactly what
goes into getting a tattoo... make me feel better, or talk me out of it.
:) I.e. "Doesn't it hurt??" (the resounding question). Of course, I was
deathly afraid of getting my ears pierced the first time, but I've had
both ears pierced (one of them TWICE!!). And one was a home job by 
a friend; the old ice-and-push-the-stud-through deal. Yeah, I'm
a heavyweight. :) Maybe that could put it into perspective. 

Thanks.
mdw
"I still don't know about this..."

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "Yow! Up ahead! It's a DONUT HUT!!"
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From: gonnella@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: tragus
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:41:34 GMT

argh!  pardon my anatomical ignorance, but what is a tragus pierce?


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:54:27 -0400 
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pierces, Metal, and NMR?

As for the NMR fallacy....  This is probably a problem with
the earlier machines... I work with a 2-00 and a 400 every day,
and I don't evenbother taking my wallet out anymore... (the
strips on the credit cards can be scragged..)  Those are
both fairly high field, now if you're talking a gig. or above,
then I'd worry.  Pacemakers are a different story, as they do
have some electronics inside...  Now that I think about it,
I wonder if a ring (piercing type) would have enough ferro-magnetic
materials in it to form a coil, make a current, and burn you.
I guess it depends on the type...

MRI, on the other hand, (thats the imaging technique), isn't so
well shielded, as you are totally blasted w/a magnetic field,(kinda
like you are in the bore of an NMR machine).  The person who
went through one w/their (i dunno what ) in place, probably doesn't
have a ferrous-based piece of jewelry, or it prob. would have been torn out...
I _have_ seen hammers and such go flying across the room in an MRI
facility when they powered it up to test it w/out clearing the room...


--Seth
(obart: my appt. with SuzAnne is only a few months away! (Feb 13th , 1:30 pm :)
)
(now, I just have to design the tat :) )
(any starving (or not starving) art/design students want a comission?)
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Stupid Bodyart Tricks
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:57:42 GMT

There is a really horrible story about a stupid sap that 
attempted to repair his scrotum with a staple gun following
a close encounter with a , um, well, I wouldn't call it an
everyday sort of sex toy, on alt.sex.
A potential squicker, you might just have to check it out.
It reminded me of our long lost friend.
From: SWT10@CCCVM.CCC.AMDAHL.COM (Scott Tyree)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing in oregon/portland/seattle
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:55:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

In article <1992Oct5.192943.28242@bradley.bradley.edu>
gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:
 
>
>posting for a friend--
>
>they are looking for a good place for piercing in/near oregon/portland/seattle/
>bay area...they are from oregon...
>specifically looking for someone to do a clit hood piercing
>please post answers here as this person will be reading this group for the
>answer
 
In the Bay Area there is Gauntlet and Raelyn Gallina. From everyone I
know Raelyn is the prefered choice. She works out of Stormy Leather on
Saturdays, but I think sahe will do piercings at her studio by
appointment on other days. Her address/phone is:
 
Raelyn Gallina
P.O. Box 20034
Oakland, CA 94620
(510) 655-2855
Sabre
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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:00:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <BD.92Oct1074104@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
:
:cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:
:
:>Along the same line, the Hopi artist Charles Loloma would often put as 
:>much work decorating the *inside* of a ring or bracelet as he did the 
:>outside.  He offered the same philosophy.  The owner had a private world 
:>(work of art) that was hidden from the view of others.  You can take the 
:>metaphor further, but the knowledge of a hidden beauty is something I have 
:>always found appealing.
:
:Why?  There is so little beauty in the world, it should be shared if found.

Some beauty is not right before our eyes -- laid out for all the 
world to see.  Sometimes one has to look a little deeper to find it.
Ans that makes the discovery all the better.



     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.

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From: clements@beam.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements)
Subject: Re: EYEBROW
Organization: Hooraw.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:09:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.062910.17025@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>Edward Sokhyon Pak (ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
>: 
>:    I'm thinking about getting my Eyebrow pierced, but I'm not sure about
>: it.  I had the guy who would pierce it explain it to me, but I don't
>: know how painful it is, during and after the piercing.  Will anyone who
>: knows please send me some E-mail?  Thanks
>
>I never heard of eyebrow piercing before.  If any has any info on this
>please post it, as I'm sure many of us would be interested in hearing
>about it.

  Most piercings (with a few exceptions) involve roughly the same amount
of pain.  It's not really possible to quantify that--it feels like
someone putting a spike through your flesh--except to say that a
skillfully performed piercing does not really hurt at all after the
fact.  Granted, it may be tender, and you can't jerk it around, but the
piercing needle does not thrash your nerves in the way that, say,
skinning your knee does.  The duration of the pierce itself will
probably be sub-three seconds; not a lot of pain, if you want the thing
done. 

  But _do_ go to someone who knows what (s)he is doing.

john clements
Once you are pierced, your body is **no longer a torus**. Be careful.
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:26:09 GMT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason) writes:

> What happens to hair growth in the area of the tattoo?  Are the follicles
> destroyed?  Any guidelines for shaving the intended site?  Do you have to sha
> the tattoo???

Looking at a 10-year-old tat on my arm, the skin that it's on is as
hairy as the area surrounding it, including the heavily shaded areas.
Guess they manage to sirvive the process.

Now that I think of it, there's a woman I saw out in LA who had her
entire scalp tatooed. with a very interesting geometric design. Had a
short, but healthy and full, head of hair.


--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
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From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.220047.23474@serval.net.wsu.edu> 
swanv@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>  he said, "but you
> get tattoos so other people can see them." My reply was, "I don't
> ... I get tattoos so that *I* can see them ... this one's for me!"
> He did it. I think of it this way -- I now have a beautiful work of
> art that hangs in a room that only I can enter and view the piece

Along the same line, the Hopi artist Charles Loloma would often put as 
much work decorating the *inside* of a ring or bracelet as he did the 
outside.  He offered the same philosophy.  The owner had a private world 
(work of art) that was hidden from the view of others.  You can take the 
metaphor further, but the knowledge of a hidden beauty is something I have 
always found appealing.

************************************
I worked as a technical writer ... editing manuals ... on how to dispose 
of sewage in permafrost; we all had to wear white shirts -- that was 
mandatory -- and I was fired at the end of two weeks for spending too much 
time staring out the window.  
(Edward Abbey)
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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: PA, hassles solved.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:32:10 GMT

Hi Peircing fans,
   A while ago I posted about my hassles encountered when I put a
7/8" id 10ga SS bead ring in where my 5/8" 14-16ga 14k Au bead ring
used to be.  You may recall that I had a few hypotheses about the 
general irritability, and head-cold like snot phenomena, (yes a 
perfect discription, way better than keloids of the urethra would
be head-cold of the glans) source.  One was that the stainless steel
was making for a reaction to the metal, and note that symptoms did
fade slightly when the old gold ring was put in along with the new
SS.  Hypothesis two was that the size of the new ring was just putting 
leverage (the 7/8" size, not the gauge) on urethral tissue that wasn't
stressed by the old ring.
  Well, I got this new 3/4" id 8ga SS captive bead (eight weeks plus
two or three days postal order from gauntlet, still no extra bead
it's on back-order) and it has been a total dream.  So I'm concluding
that the large diameter of the old SS ring, and not the stainless 
per se caused the problem.
  Pete, happy PA owner once more.
  PS I had some dude stomp on my toe real hard, how long will I be
worrying if I lose the nail or not?  It's not as bad as frost-bite,
but I'm getting real tired of this cane routine.
-- 
-- Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca          |"So I've got this 22Meg output file..." |
Behavioural Ecology Research Group |"Yeah, well delete it."                 |
Dept.Biol.Sci., Simon Fraser Univ. |"But how will I know what it says"      |
Burnaby B.C. V5A 1S6 Canada        |"Well, how will you know what it means?"|
From: swanv@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Summary: here in the out-back
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:07:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep29.150705.28311
Organization: Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Sep29.060200.29887@odin.corp.sgi.com> bmr@sgi.com (Barbara
MacRae) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.220047.23474@serval.net.wsu.edu>
swanv@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>>
>> 
>>I had it done at Artistic Impressions in Hillyard, Washington (a suburb
>>of Spokane) by Duffy, the shop owner. It took him a little over 2 hours
>>from start to finish at his custom rate of $75/hour. There's a *lot* of
>>fine-line, shading, and color blending in the piece, so I consider it
>>very reasonable. 
>
>Indeed. I shelled out $180.00 this morning for an hour and 10 minutes
>of Eddie Deutsche's time... *ouch*... 'course, it looks great, but
>still...
>
>-Barb
>

There are three tattoo shops in the Capital of the Inland Empire (Spokane,
Washington): one is dingy and dirty -- I didn't even go in there, one is OK but
the guy I talked to quoted his custom rate of $40/hour and I *think* he was
drunk (or something! ... :-) ) -- I bypassed him too, and lastly Duffy at
Artistic Impressions. The place is clean, bright, and he treated me like a
professional. Of course one of the reasons that $75/hour is top money around
here is that everything else is less, including everyone's incomes! 

These kinds of bucks seem like a lot at one time (at least to me), but if you
get something that is really worth the cost to you, ammortized over the
remainder of your life, it is really not that much at all. Besides, I won't
have to worry about this one fading and blurring ... by that time, I'll be long
gone! :-)

I hope you are enjoying yours as much as I am mine ... now, where *did* I put
those $100 bills ... I've *got* to call that guy for another appointment! :-)

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From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:22:35 GMT

In article <BD.92Oct1074104@fluent.UUCP> bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice 
Dowaliby) writes:
> Why?  There is so little beauty in the world, it should be shared if 
found.

At first, it does seem selfish, doesn t it?  But let me ask you, when was 
the last time you got up in the dark just to watch the sun rise?  A 
tremendous amount of beauty goes to waste in the world, and most of us don 
t care to look for it because we are too busy commuting or making money to 
see the first red maples of September, children hugging their mom or dad 
on the subway, etc.  When you show a special person something of hidden 
beauty, it is a gift, and maybe not one you want to offer to the public. 
At least you have the choice.  In the case of a Loloma bracelet, there are 
two objects of beauty: one for you to share with the public, and one for 
you to share with special individuals of your choice.  Same for having a 
tattoo, for example, that appears one way to the public, and another way 
to a person who know how to see it in a different perspective.

The only Loloma piece I have ever seen was on a commuter flight from New 
York to Boston.  An old woman sitting beside me was wearing a piece that 
looked like his style of work and I asked her if it was a Loloma.  At 
first, it blew her mind that anyone would recognize it.  Then, she removed 
it and showed me the signature inside.  You never know when or where an 
object of beauty will turn up.

************************************
I worked as a technical writer ... editing manuals ... on how to dispose 
of sewage in permafrost; we all had to wear white shirts -- that was 
mandatory -- and I was fired at the end of two weeks for spending too much 
time staring out the window.  
(Edward Abbey)
************************************ 
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: *Piercing Rings and Metal Detectors at airports*
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:59:40 GMT

In article <19r1f6INN7o4@agate.berkeley.edu> lee@soda.berkeley.edu (Lee Thompson-Herbert) writes:
>SFO won't even let you out to the gates if you don't have a boarding pass.

What airline?  In my experience, SFO is one of the few major US airports
that *will* let you out to the gate without a boarding pass.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Clean Needles
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:54:24 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

[inquiry about tattoos in Southeast Asia, etc.  Followed by a
discussion of AIDS, etc.]

Unfortunately, the statistics on transmission of AIDS only
applies to the West.  Much of the information on AIDS coming
out of the East is either suppressed or unknown.  Folks either
will not admit to having the disease, don't know they have it,
or the government has deemed it not in the interests of
tourism to admit these things.  Also, in much of Southeast
Asia, the understanding of sanitation is rudimentary at best.
Folks may have been told to boil instruments, but don't know
why, so they may only figure it's hot water that does it, so
they pour hot (not boiling) water on them, etc.

This bit of information comes courtesy of a our housemate's
friend, who has spent the past three years in Thailand,
working for the Thai government (and incidentally hasn't been
heard from since the coup).  According to him, when he visited
earlier this year, the government of Thailand is suppressing
the true rate of AIDS infection in the country, which is
currently estimated at about 25-30%, because it would
adversely affect tourism.  Training in sterile procedures is
incompletely explained, resulting in sloppy sterilization.
Education of transmission of AIDS is nonexistant, except they
do understand a tenous blood connection.  (This has led to a
new variety of robbery, in which the victim is threatened with
a hypodermic needle filled with blood, which will be injected
into him unless he hands over his money.)

I don't know about the rest of Southeast Asia, but I certainly
wouldn't get tattooed in Thailand, based on this.  It also has
some alarming edges when you consider that a major "industry"
in Thailand is "sex tourism."

(By the way, another country in severe denial about the
reality of AIDS is Japan, where it is even rumored that only
Westerners can get it, or gays who have sex with Westerners.)

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

"Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out."  --Barry
Shein, on the net
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