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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 10:36:55 GMT


eidetics@nic.cerf.net writes:

 >>Doesn't this remind you of a plot from a James Bond movie?  Moonraker?
 >>Shuttle takes off from transport 747 causing the 747 to crash...

I guess the SCA crew in this conspiracy also had to be "replicated".  :->

 >Glad you guys brought it up.  I just happen to have a piece from Dr. Beter
 >Audio Letter #56 that you might find interesting with regard to "Moonraker"
 >and the rest of the James Bond adventures, and the background of their
 >author, the late Ian Fleming.

Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".
They had already run out of his stories by that time...  But I would
not put it past your Dr. Beter to imagine Fleming having some "inside"
MI-5/SIS information on the "Space Shuttle conspiracy", even though it
was back in the 1960s. (what does time matter to people who know? :)

{Beware!  David Rockefeller is watching YOU! (and he wants your GOLD!)}

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From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #60 of 80
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:59:52 GMT
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program

met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Talbot) writes:

>BTW, someone asked this before, and I don't think they got an answer.
>What would it take for those who believe Beter to change thier minds about
>him?  What sort of evidence is acceptable if I were to make a serious 
>attempt to convince you he was either nuts or a good story-teller?

Personally, I'd accept a thorough physical examination of Reagan
showing he wasn't a robotoid, but I don't think I'll get this
(by the way, I noticed that Reagan was swapped I think in early
1984, somewhere after his nose operation, and when Nancy got out
from her mastectomy, she was greeted by a drone Ronnie.  This seemed
to have been done on quick notice, since the press photos of that
time showed a distinctly non-Ronnie Ronnie, though later it seems
like they worked up a better facsimile.  And I discovered all this
*without* the help of Dr. Beter.

-- 
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From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: "A nation chosen by GOD"?
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:24:28 GMT

VANWEERDENBURG NICHOLAS JOHN (vanweer@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:

[response deleted]

: -Nick ( is it even worth replying to this post?)

No.
-- 
Mike McAngus 			 | You are a fluke of the Universe.  You have no 
(mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org)		 | right to be here, and whether you can hear it
The Truth is still the Truth	 | or not the Universe is laughing behind your 
Even if you choose to ignore it. | back.  -- National Lampoon, Deteriorata
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.angst
Subject: profane abuses
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:39:00 GMT
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he free himself from his condition? 

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From: luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:10:51 GMT

dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:

>eidetics@nic.cerf.net writes:

> >>Doesn't this remind you of a plot from a James Bond movie?  Moonraker?
> >>Shuttle takes off from transport 747 causing the 747 to crash...

>Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".
>They had already run out of his stories by that time...  But I would
>not put it past your Dr. Beter to imagine Fleming having some "inside"
>MI-5/SIS information on the "Space Shuttle conspiracy", even though it
>was back in the 1960s. (what does time matter to people who know? :)

Gee, when was the date for Audio Letter #64 again?  Maybe now we
know where the James Bond movie writers get their ideas from.  They
get the latest on what Specter (and other megavillians) are doing
by subscribing to Peter Beter's Audio letter.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:48:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.195442.29596@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>In article <bhayden.725732024@teal> Bruce Hayden, bhayden@teal.csn.org
>>
>>>>  He doesn't have to answer to *anyone*.  That's just not right,
>>>>IMHO.

Who do federal judges answer to?
>>
>>
>>Which laws are you talking about? Jaywalking? Lying to Congress?
>
Lying to Congress _UNDER OATH_ = perjury
Sending money to the contras when the Congress, consitutionally empowered
to control the money, said they shouldn't get money.
>


-- 
==============================================================================
A thought for the holidays:
   "Wine is living proof that God loves us and likes to see us happy"
	- Benjamin Franklin			dean@vexcel.com
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From: eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Dr. Beter in "High Weirdness"?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 21:17:25 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

Posted by Jon Volkoff, mail address eidetics@cerf.net

jejones@microware.com (James Jones @ Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, 
owa) writes:
>>In article <1h6839INNb09@news.cerf.net> eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l) 
rites:
>>cooperation with others in positions to do this.  But I think there are enough
>>inconsistencies and things that don't add up put forth by Dr. Beter in Audio
>>Letter #64 to at least warrant a serious investigation of the matter.
>
>Hmmm...is this the guy mentioned in *High Weirdness by Mail*?  To quote:
>
>YES, THAT REALLY WAS HIS NAME
>
>The Peter Beter Audio Letter
>P.O. Box 276, Savage, MD 20763
>
>Wild, throbbing-at-the-mouth right-wing anti-Trilateral ravings beyond
>compare.  Dr. Beter died, but his cassettes are still available, exposing
>the paranoid truth behind space germs, oil wars, Illuminati assassinations,
>etc.  Great for scaring your friends.  Ask for free list of tapes.
>
>
>(end quote)
>
>	        James Jones

Yes, it is the same person.

I'd like to know, how recent is the quote from "High Weirdness"?  Because in
early 1984, Audio Books, Inc. moved back from the Washington, D.C. area to
the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, and asked that all mail be sent to an address in
Dallas.  Also, an open license was issued for the 80 Audio Letter tapes and
sales of such were discontinued by Audio Books at that time.  Dr. Beter died
in early 1987, so either Audio Books quietly moved back to Washington D.C.
without telling most of their former subscribers, or the information given
in the quote you supply is no longer valid.  Any ideas?
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Ignorance)
Subject: Products not Promises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Successful revolution is -never- political
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:42:00 GMT


I'd just got back from a trip to the Subverse,
and found this note attached to the inside of my monitor....


---< ?? >---

|Subject: NEW BBS PROGRAM

|The UNI*STAR BASE program is designed to provide BBS operators 
|and their users with:
|
|  A. A NEW AND SIMPLE WAY TO CHARGE AND COLLECT for BBS services,
|     software, information, images or just membership and usage;
|  B. Participation in a completely NEW NATIONWIDE FINANCIAL SYSTEM; one
|     designed TO BENEFIT EVERYONE who uses it;
|  C. A variety of new ways to GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL NEW INCOME from their
|     BBS operation with a whole array of EXCITING NEW BBS USER
|     SERVICES;
|  D. A way to SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE PHONE COSTS, enough to
|     make direct accessing of boards across the country, a more
|     practical and affordable reality;
|  E. A very INEXPENSIVE SOURCE for many consumer and business items,
|     including computer and communications equipment;
|  F. A low-cost, electronic, UNIVERSAL MAIL SYSTEM, that allows its
|     users to reach anyone in the U.S. and across the world directly,
|     even if they have no fax or computer.
|
|These are all part of the HiTECH Group's ENVIRONMENTALLY POSITIVE
|Communications *UNiVERSE*, which has been under development since 
|1983....

|Please mail requests for more information including your name and
|voice or data phone number to - briefing@hitech.newark.nj.us.

---< end >---


Lower phone costs?  Alternative mail?  A new "financial system"?
And eco-friendly??  Talk about asking for trouble. 

I can feel the lawyers, bureaucrats, and brokers massing now.

Even thinking about such things is... is.. UnDeMoCRaTiK !!
From: orwell@reg.triumf.ca (BALDEN, RON)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove (was: Re: Bohemian Party???)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:24 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
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In article <BzHvDs.ExK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu 
(Daniel B Case), commenting on my posting:

>> [stuff omitted]
>>The Bohemian Grove gathering was named recently (last year?)
>>as one of the "top ten censored stories of the year" in the
>>U.S. mass media by Project Censored (Communications
>>Studies Program, Sonoma State University, CA.)
> 
>That same study (posted here) also mentions Philip Weiss's Spy article from...
>I think 1989. If you'd read it, you'd see that rumors of sinister doings there
>are somewhat overrated-all these powerful middle-aged white men are too busy 
>getting drunk and pissing on trees to do anything conspiratorial.
> 
>						Dan Case

Well, I myself wasn't claiming anything *especially* sinister about Bohemian
Grove; it's no more sinister than other coordination mechanisms (e.g. the
Business Roundtable) of the ruling elite of the United States. It just happens
to be one of the places where *some* of "the elite meet to eat", as it were.  
(Please, no uninformed idiocies complaining about the phrase "ruling elite". 
It's not ten people meeting in a conference room.  Start with C. Wright Mill's
"The Power Elite" (1956) and move on to Domhoff and colleagues.) 

Other references (I haven't read these myself) on Bohemian Grove I found in
secondary sources: 

The book I referred to by G. William Domhoff is
"The Bohemian Grove and Other Retreats: A Study of Ruling Class
Consciousness", 1974, Harper and Row.  

An essay of Domhoff's, "Politics among the Redwoods",
The Progressive (magazine), January 1981, pp. 32-36

Rick Clogher, "Weaving Spiders Come Not Here", Mother Jones,
August  1981.  (The title is from some kind of motto of the
Bohemian Club.)  I found this reference in "The Big Boys"
by Nader and Taylor (1986) (in the profile of Thomas Jones, CEO of Northrop
-- not T.K. Jones, he is someone else).

Ron Balden
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:50:34 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
: 
: Please circulate this to other relevant usenet conferences thankyou.
: 
: Letters Editor
: San Francisco Chronicle
: 
: I applaud President Bush's pardon of Cap Weinberger and the others.  It is
: not a question that these patriots are "above the law" as President Clinton
: fears. The real issue is justice and the balance of power between the
: Congress and the Executive. Nazi Germany made racial laws, were they just?
: The Boland ammendment is such an unjust law that cripples the Presidency.
: 
: Every President since George Washington has had secret operations which
: could not be revealed openly to Congress or anyone else at inopportune
: moments. Even President Clinton will find that he will have to have such
: operations.
: 
: Prosecuter Walsh is a dangerous fanatic right out of the Spanish
: Inquisition and should be relieved of his duties.

Just how far should these extra-constitutional presidential powers
go, Safartti?  Should they be confined to foreign shores, or should
the prexie be allowed to conduct secret operations right here in 
the US against anyone he feels is a threat?
And, while you're at it, what was it about Iran-Contra that
required secrecy?  The Iranians knew about it.  The Contras knew
about it.  The Sandinistas knew about half of it, and the Ruskies
probably knew about all of it.  WE were the only ones who didn't
know about it, and it was kept secret because the Reaganauts knew
that the vast majority of the American people wanted no part of the
mess in Nicaragua.

Bill
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: The Spear of Destiny? (some very raw data).
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 10:55:02 GMT

In article <C07srw.J3q@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
:All of this is weird Phillip Dick like evidence for the intervention of
:H.P. Lovecraft's "the old ones" in opur personal lives and gor VALIS
:and what John Lilly calls "cosmic coincidence control"


I'm surprised you haven't been sued yet by IdEaL OrDeR PsyKicK TV for
stealing their shtick.  It was funny for a day or two, but it's getting
tedious now.

G
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:07:40 GMT


Please circulate this to other relevant usenet conferences thankyou.

Letters Editor
San Francisco Chronicle

I applaud President Bush's pardon of Cap Weinberger and the others.  It is
not a question that these patriots are "above the law" as President Clinton
fears. The real issue is justice and the balance of power between the
Congress and the Executive. Nazi Germany made racial laws, were they just?
The Boland ammendment is such an unjust law that cripples the Presidency.

Every President since George Washington has had secret operations which
could not be revealed openly to Congress or anyone else at inopportune
moments. Even President Clinton will find that he will have to have such
operations.

Prosecuter Walsh is a dangerous fanatic right out of the Spanish
Inquisition and should be relieved of his duties.

Sincerely,


Jack Sarfatti

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc
From: vanweer@ecf.toronto.edu (VANWEERDENBURG NICHOLAS JOHN)
Subject: Re: "A nation chosen by GOD"?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:33:09 GMT

I won't repeat the original post here- suffice to say the poster stated that
his god was necessary to save the United States from its path to destruction.
And that basically this god supported the US in the past when it was more
religious.  Basically drivel...

Lets see.  The United States and God.  Did your god support slavery and then
change his mind ( and very slowly, from the Civil War up to Martin Luther King
and Malcom X, over almost 100 years! )?

Does your god support Vietnam, Cambodia, El Salvador?
Does your god support 6% of the world population using 30%+ of the resources,
basically destroying the planet he supposedly created and gave them?

And how is it that you know the solution to all our problems with no facts, no
reasoning, and no evidence?  Sounds like dementia to me.  Dementia with severe
arrogance in your own psychic powers to divine the universe, when so many 
have completely different 'psychic' understandings than you ( ie. other 
religions ).

-Nick ( is it even worth replying to this post?)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc
From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)
Subject: Re: "A nation chosen by GOD"?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.224428.17601@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.193942.13056@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.182807.12212@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>
>
>>> [followed by Brad's own editorial drivel, such as:]
>
> As I clearly noted, I *forwarded* the article. *None* of the
> contents, drivel or otherwise, were mine!
>
> -- Brad Pierce --


Oooops, sorry Brad. The editorial drivel was indeed from Mr. Gaut.
Stack pointer fault, core dumped.

Abject grovelling (do you have anything you need licking?) and a Happy New Year,

Simon

-- 
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Department of Computer Science    Tel (+44) 203 523296
University of Warwick             FAX (+44) 203 525714
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From: graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham)
Subject: Re: soviet atrocities rarely revealed in establishment media
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:56:31 GMT

In article <C04sno.149@csisun.uucp> jburnes@csisun.uucp (Jim Burnes) writes:
>Mr Bacon writes about little known post-WWII history:

It's not particularly obscure. IMAO, anyone reasonably conversant with
immediately post-WWII history knows of it.


>After spending the last 4 or 5 years scanning intelligence literature
>I stumbled upon the same Stalinist atrocities you speak of. 
>
>What is even more startling than this is the fact that the US govt 
>either wittingly or unwittingly helped them out.  Several testimonies
>of US soldiers who, after the fall of Berlin, helped herd supposed
>"war" criminals onto trains heading toward the Soviet Union.  These
>war criminals were men, women, children etc.   Apparently these
>people were either put in concentration camps in the USSR or
>simply shot there.

This was all part of the massive repatriations carried out after WWII,
much as French citizens or Allied POWs in Soviet-held territory were
returned to their respective countries.

Bear in mind that those returned to Soviet controlled fell into three
categories:

1)	Soviet POWs, returned to Red Army control as was proper.
2)	Forced labor, perhaps more questionable, but not improper.
3)	Soviet citizens serving in the German armed forces, returned
	for trial.

While the fate of category 1 & 2 returnees was extraordinarily harsh,
you would be hard-pressed to prove that the Western Allies knew this
would happen. Category 3 returnees were treated much as their counterparts
from other Allied armies were. 

>Apparently what they were were people who were definitely anti-communist
>and needed to be supressed/eliminated in order to stabilize the
>eastern european pro-communist regimes to come.  If you remember, prior
>to the outbreak of WWII there was a very strong Hegelian dialectic
>running through Germany - the communists and the nazi were polarized
>in the extreme.

I would take the viewpoint that whether or not these individuals were
anti-communist is immaterial. Committing treason in wartime is apt to
have fatal consequences.
>
>Authors "in-the-know" including Alexander (sp?) Scholtzenietzen (in his
>book "The Gulag Archipelago") speculate that the deal was cut during
>the Allied Summit in Yalta, USSR before the end of the War.
>
>I not saying this is all absolutely true....just stuff I stumbled
>upon in my research.

It's all perfectly true. However, it's nothing new. We've known for
years that this was what Stalin's regime was like. 


-- 
Stephen Graham
graham@cs.washington.edu	 uw-beaver!june!graham
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:00:51 GMT

In article <adams.725913927@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
>Depending on datings, either all, or nearly all, of Paul's letters were
>written BEFORE the Gospels.  The earliest Gospel, Mark, has no post 
>resurection appearences of Jesus in the best early manuscripts.  The tomb
>is empty, and 'a young man in a white robe' told the women that Christ was
>risen.
>I'll give the extremes of the dates for the Gospels, without going into the
>long discussion...basically, earlier dates are 'conservative' scholarship,
>later ones, 'liberal' scholarship...
>Gospel/Acts dates:
>    Mark.................50-70AD
>    Matthew..............55-75AD
>    Luke.................59-75AD
>    John.................53-85AD
>    Acts.................63-70AD*
>* Could be much later than 70, and no earlier than 'Luke'

Interesting.  I would be a little hesitant about dates earlier than 68-70AD
when the Jerusalem Temple was "attacked" by the Roman army, after which
everyone was feverishly trying to blame one another (i.e., the reason for
rise of Xtianity).  But I would be interested in knowing your source.
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