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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Peter Forsberg
Date: 3 Jan 1993 23:19:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
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Is there any word about Peter Forsberg's coming to play 
with Quebec?  Or is he staying in Europe? 

Walter

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: StL/Har @ Birmingham - What happened to it?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.040048.20911@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>This was on the schedule for 12/29 but subject to change. I haven't seen
>any scoring reports and Headline News didn't even list the game. What happened
>to it? Joe has logged in in a week and I don't think anyone has claimed to be
>the Whalers contact.

It was cancelled due to poor ticket sales (supposedly less than a thousand).
It will be rescheduled in Peoria.  (I forgot the date.)

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From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Canada-USA WJHC game
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:36:43 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

>>And you're completely right Glenn, Daigle was very impressive in the first, 
>>then disappeared in the 2nd and 3rd, primarily since Perry was playing the
>>hot line of McAmmond-Shantz-Lafayette; they were making things happen.
>>
> 
>  Daigle wasn't very impressive in the Canada-Sweden game. The Senators 
>  scouts must not have been very happy with that. 

What's with this Daigle?  I too was looking to see how good this guy is.  Except
for some flashes in the first period in each of the two games played he showed
nothing.  He wasn't played very much either for a premier player.  Is there a
conflict with his coaches?  Attitude problem?  Also, with the press on him
over that last month or so it seems he is modelling himself after Lindros.
Anyone have any insight into this guy?

>  The Quebec scouts, however,
>  must have been smiling up to their ears (Peter Forsberg).
> 

I'll say!  If that game is representative of Forsberg's play and he can do it
in the NHL then Quebec fleeced Philly on the Lindros trade IMO.

And what about Paul Kariya?  Isn't this the guy who played tier 2 in BC last
year?
From: gerry@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Latest Leaf Trade Rumour
Date: 30 Dec 1992 07:31:35 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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In article <1992Dec29.191227.4742@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, by golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> Heard on The Fan radio 1430 in Toronto:
> 
> The latest trade rumour is
> 
> Rob Pearson and Felix Potvin to Edmonton for Joe Murphy and
> Esa Tikkanen.
> 
[stuff deleted]
> 
> But what exactly would Sather have in mind with Ranford, Tugnutt,
> and Potvin...things that make one go hmmm!

No kidding, things that make you go hmmm! indeed. Why would Fletcher trade
one of the best young goalies around, a goalie who IMHO is at least as
good as Fuhr currently is and is likely to be much better for many more
years, who is also being paid considerably less than the $1M+ Fuhr is
making? That would be insane. Making it more insane he wants a totally
overpriced veteran and another player who wants to be overpriced.

Toronto will not win the Cup this year and any trades for overpriced veterans
which throws away their future is totally insane. The mediots had better
get back to work and drum up a more realistic scenario if they want to
retain any claim of credibility.

Oh well keep these rumours coming they're almost better than a Monty
Python sketch.
--
Gerry Gryschuk       "If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science;
gerry@sask.usask.ca   it is opinion"
Go Habs!!!	      "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"
			 - Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein)
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 12/27
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:41:56 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Dec28.171443.6253@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>* Among changes that Gary Bettman has on his list as commissioner
>is the renaming of the divisions to North, South, East and West.

It's about time! Hopefully,he'll revamp the current inter-divisional
playoff format and make it a 1-8 format based on Conference standings.
I remember the days when Hartford would get a playoff spot in the Adams
with a below .500 record and one of the two non-qualifying teams in the
Patrick would have a much better record than the Whalers.

Also,Bettman wants a profit sharing plan among the owners where smaller
markets like Hartford,Winnepeg,Quebec City will greatly benefit and stay
more financially stable.

-PPV Mark
From: ch218@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Erik A. Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: league simulators
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:07:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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YOu have seen one for the Amiga? You would not happen to 
remember its name would you.  The only thing I can think of 
that is close is Gretzky's Hockey II(which I happen to enjoy),
there is a game out called Hockey Simulator, but I have never
actually played it.  Both of those I know are available for
the IBM though.
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WJHC: Canada-Sweden
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:31:34 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Dec28.170255.2372@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.144056.16438@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>>
>> 1993 World Junior Hockey Championships, December 27:
>> ====================================================
>>
>> CANADA - SWEDEN 5-4 (1-0,1-3,2-2) 
>>
>> Canada won a close game where American referee Brett A Parson called
>> a total of 116 penalty minutes. Many strange calls interrupted this
>> game, and the inconsistency of Parson was confusing all players.
>>
>
>No kidding!
>
>>
>> I had been looking forward to watch "the next Lemieux", Alexandre Daigle,
>> but he didn't show much skills in this game, at least not any positive
>> skills because halfway through the game, Daigle made an ugly cross check
>> straight in the face/neck of Kenny Jonsson. A major penalty was called and
>> Daigle was gone for the game.
>>
>
>I noticed you neglect to mention that Markus Naslund received a similar
>penalty for a wicked slash to Tyler Wright's neck in the 3rd period...
>

 Sure... and I could also have mentioned the ugly butt-ending by
 Aucoin (I think) that took Peter Forsberg down.

 Markus Naslund took the blame for the loss after that stupid slash. It 
 was only his third game penalty ever. Naslund said he intended a slash,
 that's a common part of the game being one man down, but no way did he
 mean to slash that high... it was accidental.

>>
>> Three stars (personal opinion):
>> 1 - Peter Forsberg
>
>Not only for his outstanding play, but for the great motivational speech
>to the Canadian team about how they couldn't skate and how easy they
>would be for Sweden to beat. 
>

 I strongly doubt he ever said that, he is absolutely not the type that
 makes cocky statements. Besides, his friend Tyler Wright was over in Sweden
 to visit him this summer... I don't think that's the kind of things you
 say to your friends.

>> 2 - Paul Kariya
>> 3 - Manny Legace
>>
>> Canada's chances of becoming World Champions increased with this win
>> while Sweden now for sure can't take another loss if they want to
>> stay in the race for the gold medal.
>>
>> It'll be interesting to see Canada match up with Russia on Tuesday.
>>
>
>Gerald

 Staffan
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From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:17:30 GMT

In <1992Dec25.013022.18979@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <9212242250.AA00341@booth.usask.ca> glc39@booth.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:

>>Prior to, I believe, 1982, Canada sent a club team to the WJHC.  Since
>>then, we have sent all-star teams that consisted of most of our best under-20
>>players.  With the development of hockey in USA and Europe (outside ex-USSR), we
>>can no longer play with under-20 players who are not yet ready for the NHL and
>>expect to do very well.
>>
>>I think the gap in the cumulative standings since 1982 between USSR/CIS and
>>Canada is narrower.

>And so much for Gerald's argument that it's more important to have a team that
>has played together than to have talent on the team, period.

We could perhaps agree that a well practiced buch of stars would be ideal,
but if we have to take stars without practice and no-stars without practice,
let us have the stars. The holy hopes to get well practice teams to the major
worls events will hardly come true in the free and market economy run world,
where the hockey is based on operating clubs and their interest to survive
is the main motivating thing. Some Canadians have been awfully worried about
Canada's chanches to succeed, but I can promise you we Europeans have no
better possibilities than you. Soon most of our best players are in NHL and
it is much more difficult to even monitor them than it is for the Canadian
and US team coaches. 

 - Lauri Tarkkonen
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Protected List Question (was:Latest Leaf Trade Rumour)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 13:18:16 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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 golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Note:  If the expansion draft for Anaheim and Miami does go ahead
>this summer with a protection list of 1 goaltender, 5 defensemen,
>and 9 forwards as suggested, then it is almost a certainty that
>either Fuhr or Potvin has to be traded before then.  

I thought Potvin would be considered a rookie in that players with
less than one year experience would not need to be protected.  (I know
Potvin played a few games last year, ~4.)

Tony


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Blues Trade Rumour
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:12:00 GMT

In article <1hsbarINNcvu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk) writes:
>
>The St. Louis Post Dispatch reports this morning that the Blues may now be willing to send Nelson Emerson to Edmonton for Joe Murphy.  The Blues have been
>unwilling to trade Emerson in the past but they are beginning to panic. They
>think that Murphy will help get Hull on track.  The pst says the Blues players
>think emerson is too much to give up for Murphy but the Blues are having trouble
>signing Emersom to a new contract.  The Blues have a good history of trading
>players with contract problems...Joe Mullen, Adam Oates, Mike Liut.
>The Blues are also afraid that Chicageo will get Murphy and wil walk away with
>the division (which it rips may heaert out to say thay already are) it pisses me
>off so bad that I can't spell. Not that I hate the HAwks or any thing...
>but I digress.
>

Murphy would complement Roenick or Janney better than he would Hull, in
my opinion.  Chicago needs Murphy to have a chance of beating Vancouver
or Pittsburgh...but I am beginning to doubt that Pulford is up to making 
a major move.  Pulford is more of a bird in the hand type of manager,
whereas Keenan was not afraid to take the risk of making a move
or a trade.   

The thing that confuses me, if the Blues are contemplating trading
Emerson since he wants to much money, why do they want Murphy, who
likely wants even more money than Emerson.

Murphy can probably create a little more offense by himself than
Emerson can...and could probably produce points at about 100 point
per season pace as a right wing for Janney.  I don't see Murphy
as a center anymore though...Nicholls would probably be a better
candidate as a center for Hull...and he is available also.

As an Oiler fan, Emerson (plus a little more perhaps) for Murphy 
would be an okay trade, although I still would prefer the Kravchuk
plus deal...the Oilers need that an offensive defenseman like
Kravchuk for the power play...Manson has a good shot, but is not
a great playmaker.

Gerald
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From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Subject: Re: Where is Chris Nilan ????
Organization: Micronav International
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.182442.15964@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) writes:
>In article <mmaccorm.55@fox.nstn.ns.ca> mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.203950.19469@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> kristman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Dan Kristmanson) writes:
>>>Does anyone know where Chris Nilan is nowadays ???
>>
>>
>>>Just Wondering
>>>Dan
>>
>>
>>Who Cares???
>>
>>Mike Mac Cormack
>>Micronav International Inc
>>P.O.Box 1523 / 104 Marine Drive
>>Sydport Industrial Park,
>>Sydney, N.S. Canada B1P 6R7
>>Tel: 902-564-8833      Fax: 902-564-8764

>    Obviously Dan does. What you should ask yourself is who cares 
>   about you NOT caring. (probably not many ppl)

>Mo

>-- 

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>-    Maurice Richard                                                        -

Hey, Lighten up, eh!  I was KIDDING.  When I think of Chris Nilan all I 
think of are all the stupid penalties he got when he played with the Bruins.

Merry Christmas!

Mike Mac Cormack
Micronav International Inc
P.O.Box 1523 / 104 Marine Drive
Sydport Industrial Park,
Sydney, N.S. Canada B1P 6R7
Tel: 902-564-8833      Fax: 902-564-8764
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: edmonton oilers 
Keywords: trades     
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:52:53 GMT

In article <etam.725103799@sfu.ca> etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>and they still should make the playoffs this year...and with
>>Ranford, a playoff upset or two is always possible.
>
>I'm no Winnipeg fan, but I think in the long run, Winnipeg will make
>the playoffs and the Oilers will bow out.  In my opinion, Winnipeg is
>clearly the better team - they certainly have a better offence.  I
>think only the Ottowa Senators have scored less than the Oilers. 
>

I did say "should" and not "would"...

...both the Jets and the Oilers can hardly be worse than they have been
during the first third of the season...and it should be an interesting
race.  Of course, the Oilers might look awfully different in a month
if the Murphy trade happens, and if a Nicholls trade happens.

I disagree with your assessment of the Oilers' ultimate capability.
The Oilers should be capable of being the second best team in the
division (Vancouver clearly should be the best), and Winnipeg the
third best.  Both the Jets and the Oilers should be better than
Calgary and Los Angeles...the difference has been in playing up
to potential.  Melrose and Dave King have their teams pretty much
playing at their potential consistently...the Oilers and Jets haven't
been remotely close to doing that yet, but they might...

...unfortunately, the Jets and the Oilers have spotted the Kings and
Flames to big a lead in the standings to realistically catch up.

Vancouver has yet to fire on all cylinders yet consistently...if and
when they do, it should be no contest in the Smythe this year.

Gerald
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From: oiler17@bcars698.bnr.ca (Dave Allen)
Subject: edmonton oilers 
Keywords: trades     
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:43:38 GMT

Can anyone give me any info on what the heck is going on in EDMONTON. Are 
they trying to finish last and get Daigle or are they just waiting  to move
the team out of Edmonton. It would be nice to see some of those players that
want out traded. So the players that are left can gel as a team and get ready 
for there yearly great playoff run.

      Thanks in advance

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why Wayne should NOT return (Kindling)
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:26:49 GMT

In article <1gsp64INN31c@fnnews.fnal.gov>, jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Dr. J) writes:
>I'm sort of tiring of the Penguin drivel, so I offer some holiday cheer.  Get 
>those blow torches ready.  Here's why the Great One should concentrate on Janet 
> & the kids and his new career as an entrepeneur.
> 
>1. The Kings are having a great year anyway (attendance-wise and hockey-wise). 
>   I guess it's possible for him to make a significant contribution, but it 
>   seems unlikely to me.


Adding the all-time scoring leader in hockey a month before the playoffs
is going to hurt the Kings? No way. The Kurri line and the Millen line
have played very well in stretches whgen they were healthy. Adding a Gretzky
ain't going to hurt.


> 2. He could be risking serious injury.

Possible.


> 3. He has nothing left to accomplish, and certainly nothing to prove.

A Stanley Cup with the Kings.


> 4. There is some risk of him becoming a cartoon.  At one point during last
>    season (Februaru or so), 1/3 of his goals were empty-netters (8 of 23, I 
>    think).  This is preposterous for a man who is not only the greatest player
>    ever, but has always been synonomous with "Class".  Time to let it go, Wayne.
>    It's been terrific, but we have Mario, Jeremy, Sakic, et. al.


If the man wants to play, and is healthy, and is going to contribute something
to the Kings, I see no reason why he shouldn't play. Even if he is not
getting awesome numbers.


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From: nin15b34@merrimack.edu (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Kariya (was Re: Canada-USA WJHC game)
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:25:02 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec28.113643.1160@mala.bc.ca>, apland@mala.bc.ca writes:
> And what about Paul Kariya?  Isn't this the guy who played tier 2 in BC last
> year?

From the University of Maine media guide...Kariya played for Penticton
of the BCJHL the last two years, stats were 46-86--132 in 40 games in
1991-92 and in 1990-91, 45-67--112 in 54 games.  Two-time BCJHL MVP, Kariya
was also awarded the Most Sportsmanlike Player award those two years with
8 PIM in 1990-91 and 16 PIM last year.  He was the youngest player on
the junior team last year, and just turned 18 on October 16th.  BTW, his
dad, Tetsuhiko Kariya, played several times for the Canadian national
rugby team.

As a freshman at Maine this year, Kariya leads all of Division I US college 
hockey in scoring with 13-36--49 in 16 games.  His Maine team is the number
one team in the nation and the only remaining unbeaten team in the country
at 17-0-1.  Kariya missed Maine's last two games (the Great Western
Freeze Out in LA) because of the juniors and will miss their next four, but
at his current pace, and if Maine makes it to the national championship
game, he would still break Tony Hrkac's all-time single season college hockey
scoring record of 116 points set in 1986-87.  Hrkac scored 116 in 48 games
for 2.42 points per game, Kariya is averaging 3.06.  In addition, he is
well within reach of the all-time single season assist record, 76 by Wayne
Gagne of Western Michigan in 1986-87.

Around Hockey East, he has been drawing comparisons to Brian Leetch who
was the league MVP for Boston College in his freshman year in 1986-87, but
having seen both, I don't think Leetch was as dominant as Kariya has been.
He has such a presence and ability to see the ice like no other freshman
I've seen, maybe like no other player.  And although he has gone on record
talking about how he loves setting up his teammates for goals (and they're
usually pretty nifty setups), he has a great shot and would have quite a few
more goals if he didn't dish it off so much.  He has that ability to see
when a timely pass can turn his own 75% scoring chance into a 90% chance
for a teammate.

Although the Hobey Baker Award (college hockey's Heisman) tends to go to an
upperclassman, Kariya is getting more and more serious consideration.  It
will be interesting to see if they break tradition and award it to a freshman
for the first time ever.

What surprises me is that with all the talk about Kozlov and Daigle, I've
heard little outside of college hockey in terms of Kariya's draft potential.
I can't see how he could go any lower than third next year, and with the
publicity he's bound to get out of the juniors and if he continues his
assault on the record books, he could be a candidate for the top pick.
---
Mike Machnik    nin15b34@merrimack.edu   Color Voice of the Merrimack Warriors
(Any opinions expressed above are strictly those of the poster.)    *HMN*
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From: peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser)
Subject: Add one more Canuck / goalie
Organization: S-S Technologies Inc.
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:33:05 GMT

Boy, oh boy.... Will wonders never cease people actually reading this
group. Hooray!


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From: danielm@umiacs.umd.edu (Daniel O. Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: YET ONE MORE READER
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:24:06 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Hi, I also read this group once every couple of weeks. I played a lot 
of hockey until i came to USA in 1987. My country of origin is 
Argentina, and I used to play in a team called Ciudad de Buenos Aires. 
I was dissappointed when I came here and discovered that to play 
hockey one should travel long distances, and spend some money, at 
least that was my case in Delaware. 

Still I could play a few tournaments like the maple leaf tournament in 
Toronto, and the JFK tournament in Washington, DC, and indoor 
tournaments like the one organized by Towson State University, in Maryland,
around March, every year. 

I fortunately found out about this group during the Barcelona games. 
I desperately needed some hockey information and I actually got 
quite a lot from it. 

cheers,
Daniel Martinez
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From: nsiddiqi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nadeem Siddiqi)
Subject: Well wadda ya know......
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 03:38:26 GMT


Well waddaya know...we may actually have a whole team out there reading
this newsgroup... :-)

And you wouldn't believe in miracles !!!
Shame on all of you.
Just think what old St Nick would say !!!

;-)



NadeemS