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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:27:35 +0000
From:         smmat@UKC.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: James Woods

Again from the actors list:
Woods, James
            Footsteps (1972) (TV)
            Hickey and Boggs (1972)
            Way We Were, The (1973)
            Gambler, The (1974)
            Distance (1975)
            Foster and Laurie (1975) (TV)
            Night Moves (1975)
            Alex and the Gypsy (1976)
            Disappearance of Aimee, The (1976) (TV)
            Choirboys, The (1977)
            Raid on Entebbe (1977) (TV)
            "Holocaust" (1978) (mini)
            Gift of Love, The (1978) (TV)
            Incredible Journey of Doctor Meg Laurel, The (1979) (TV)
            Onion Field, The (1979)
            Black Marble, The (1980)
            Eyewitness (1981)
            Fast-Walking (1982)
            Split Image (1982)
            Videodrome (1983)
            Against All Odds (1984)
            Once Upon a Time in America (1984)
            Badge of the Assassin (1985) (TV)
            Cat's Eye (1985)
            Promise (1986) (TV)
            Salvador (1986) (AAN)
            Best Seller (1987)
            Cop (1987)
            In Love and War (1987) (TV)
            Boost, The (1988)
            Boys, The (1989) (TV)
            Immediate Family (1989)
            My Name Is Bill W. (1989) (TV)
            True Believer (1989)
            Boys, The (1991) (TV)
            Hard Way, The (1991)
            Citizen Cohn (1992) (TV)
            Diggstown (1992)
            Straight Talk (1992)
            And Your Name Is Jonah (????) (TV)
            F. Scott Fitzgerald in Hollywood (????) (TV)
            Great American Tragedy, A (????) (TV)
            Joshua Then and Now (????)
            Women and Men: Stories of Seduction (????) (TV)


Sami.
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From: DAVIS@SJSUVM1.BITNET (Geoff Davis)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 22:17:32 GMT
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I THINK I SAW HIM IN "HAWAIIAN HEAT" AS A BOOZY REPORTER.

GEOFF
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:13:43 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Singles

>A series of lame sketches with no fresh insights. Only the
>somewhat interesting performances keep it from being a total washout.
>As for comparing Cameron Crowe to John Hughes, that's not saying much.
>I hope he doesn't become another John Hughes type. John Hughes, Neil
>Simon, Gary Marshall, et. al are writer/directors who have trivialized
>(TV-ized) film.

Each to his own.  The people you mention have, in their own way, made
contributions to film, notwithstanding their failure to stroke the
(often jaded) sensibilties of the coffeehouse art crowd.
Have they trivialized film? I think not.  They are smart enough to
recognize that a generation raised on television will necessarily
approach viewing film in a different way than say D.W. Griffith,
Eisenstein, or Welles.  For better and sometimes for worse,
television and filmmaking continue to experience the same cultural
growth pains that we find expressed in the world at large.  Although
Hughes, Simon, Cameron, et al., may not be on the cutting edge of avante garde
filmmaking, they continue to make decent movies that connect with
many people's sense of the world as they live in it.
If that is a trivial thing to do, then perhaps we should reexamine our
motives for doing art.

j-man

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:35:00 EST
From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Searching for Coppola

Hi Guys!

As I screen through my 250 E-mail messages (I was on vacation last week and
forgot to sign off the list), I found very little I can comment on.
However, I will take this opportunity to comment on Coppola's THE GODFATHER
PART III.  I realize that my comments will be severely colored by the fact
that I haven't seen the first two parts, a fact I plan to remedy as soon as
humanly possible.  However, I, unlike the majority of you cinema-l'ers
thought Part 3 was great!  I enjoyed the story and the score.  I felt the
anxiety, pride, anger and helplessness of every character was portrayed well.
Except for the part of the Godfather's daughter.  A robot could have played
her part better.  I think I remember reading previous comments to that effect.
Was she in fact, Coppola's daughter?  If so, that was a clear case against
nepotism.  Anyway, I got into a discussion about the merits of this movie
compared to the first two and you'll be happy to know, he feels the same as
you guys.  He says if I saw the first two, I wouldn't be as impressed with
the last.  We'll see....

Adrian
Clemson
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From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Empire October quiz results...

The Answers:-

 1.  What German comedian-turned-director was, from the 1920s until
     his death in 1947, the best in the business of sophisticated
     comedy with hits like Ninotchka, To Be Or Not To Be and Heaven
     Heaven Can Wait?
    	 Ernst Lubitsch
 2.  What British product of Sandhurst and the Highland Light Infantry
     entered Hollywood films in 1934 and epitomised the urbane English
     gentleman?
    	 David Niven
 3.  What Russian-born Brit became a Hollywood success alternating between
     Nazis, The Saint, The Falcon and a succession of suave cads?
     	George Sanders
 4.  What orphan from Stockholm was brought to Hollywood by David O.
     Selznick to remake one of her Swedish successes?
    	 Ingrid Bergman
 5.  What Sicilian immigrant celebrated the American idealistic
     individual and won three direction Oscars within five years?
    	 Frank Capra
 6.  What Austrian junior curling champion left home to make
     Hercules in New York?
   	  Arnold Schwarzenegger
 7.  What half-Irish Mexican married Cecil B. Mille's daughter and won
     Oscars playing a Mexican and a Frenchman?
    	 Anthony Quinn
 8.  What great German star escaped the Nazis, found fame as a
     Hollywood heavy, but died soon after completing a fellow
     foreigner's finest romance in 1942?
     	Conrad Veidt
 9.  What Belgian-born ballerina-turned-actress was discovered on the
     Riviera by novelist Colette, sent to Broadway to play Gigi and
     won an Oscar for her first Hollywood film?
     	Audrey Hepburn
10.  What Romanian immigrant changed his name from Emmanuel Goldenberg
     and became the prototype for screen gangsters?
     	Edward G. Robinson

The Results:-

Sue Clerc.................................. 9
Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@uga.cc.uga.edu>... 9
William Krebs <WXK03@ALBNYDH2.bitnet>...... 9
Mary Shaffer............................... 8
SKR2@HOST1.MS.PSU.EDU (RONDEAU.SHARON)..... 6

Well done to all who entered.
				Liam.
				====-

                                   *"I just think you're a little bit
                                   *  cocky for a guy who's never
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *  actually met a real woman before."
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:21:08 +0000
From:         smmat@UKC.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: The Saint

>I spotted Roger Moore recently in a crummy caper comedy on Cinemax, the name of
>which I've blocked out. He and M. Caine played two sets of look-alikes. YeGods.
>
I think the one your'e thinking of is called Bullseye!.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Bullseye! (1991)

 Caine, Michael
 Cleese, John
 Kensit, Patsy
 Kirkland, Sally
 Moore, Roger
 Seagrove, Jenny

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From the actors list (posted to rec.arts.movies and available via ftp
from boulder.colorado.edu):

Moore, Roger
             Pickup on South Street (1953)
             Interrupted Melody (1955)
             Diane (1956)
             "Alaskans, The" (1959)
             Miracle, The (1959)
             Sins of Rachel Cade, The (1961)
             Man Who Haunted Himself, The (1970)
             Live and Let Die (1973)
             Gold (1974)
             Man with the Golden Gun, The (1974)
             Sherlock Holmes in New York (1976) (TV)
             Shout at the Devil (1976)
             Street People (1976)
             Spy Who Loved Me, The (1977)
             Wild Geese, The (1978)
             Escape to Athena (1979)
             Moonraker (1979)
             Sea Wolves, The (1980)
             Sunday Lovers (1980)
             ffolkes (1980) (aka Assault Force)
             Cannonball Run, The (1981)
             For Your Eyes Only (1981)
             Octopussy (1983)
             Naked Face, The (1984)
             View to a Kill, A (1985)
             Bullseye! (1991)
             Bed & Breakfast (1992)
             "Ivanhoe" (????)
             "Maverick" (????)
             "Persuaders, The" (????)
             "Saint, The" (????)
             Rape of the Sabines (????)
             That Lucky Touch (????)

Sami.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:30:00 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hughes and J-man once more

Subj:   Hughes and J-man once more

>"His dialogue is convincing because it reflects the way young people
>relate to one another without patronizing them." J-man, I don't know
>which neighborhood you grew up in, but teens aren't as smart and
>adults aren't as dumb as portrayed in John Hughes' films.
>
>"Like R. Altman, he gives his cast a lot of space in which to work..."
>First you compare Crowe to Hughes which isn't saying much. Now you
>compare him to Altman which is saying too much. Crowe made one decent
>film, SAY ANYTHING. His next film, SINGLES, isn't as good. The jury
>is still out.

>"...you probably have to make a Pretty Woman in order to finance a
>Round Midnight...there's room for both." There is no room for a socially
>irresponsible film like PRETTY WOMAN no matter how entertaining it is
>to some. And J-man, I'm still young and I was raised on television, so
>discussing Hughes isn't out of my league as you've implied.

Since you seem inclined to pursue the discussion, I'll plug in my
nickel's worth.  First, I can't comment on the teens you grew up with;
it is entirely possible that they are not reflected in the teens of
Hughes' films.  On the other hand, if you will stop to consider for a
moment, not ALL the teens depicted by Hughes are introspective, soul
searching folk.  A few of the central characters are, many others are
typically shallow, and self-obsessed.  Perhaps these are more like the
ones in your experience.  I wouldn't know.

I didn't imply that Crowe has earned anything like the status of Altman,
but I think it is obvious he has learned a few tricks from him.  More
importantly, Crowe has shown good potential for developing a cinematic
style in his own right.  I believe "Singles" is further evidence of that
future growth.

You seem to be personally disturbed by the subject matter in "Pretty
Woman."  I'm not sure what you find "offensive"-- the story or the way
it is told.  Be that as it may, it is a waste of time to interpret every
film as a moral referendum on family values.  I don't go to the movies
to be instructed, I go to be entertained and occasionally challenged.
If I want philosophy, I don't look to Hollywood to provide it.  I
suppose it boils down to a difference in cultural expectations.  Anyway,
it appears that we share some common ground, even if only a small
portion.  You mentioned "Sixteen Candles" and "Say Anything" as films
you found palatable.  I hope I didn't suggest that "discussing Hughes
is out of your league."  I don't know what league you are in, but I'm
sure you're as qualified to discuss Hughes as anyone else around here.

Cheers,

J-man
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From: rchandle@maths.tcd.ie (Ross Chandler)
Subject: Re: Certificates?
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:14:53 GMT

lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK (Kerr Avon) writes:


>Isn't R in the States restricted to over 21s?  They have NC-17, too.
>Sue told me all this once upon a not so long ago, but I've forgotten
>already.
>		Liam.
>		====-
>                                   *"It's the magazine that tells the
>     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *  Tommies the truth about the war."
> aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England*"Or, alternatively, the greatest
>  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, *  work of fiction since laws of
>lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *  fidelity were included in the
>                                   *  French marriage service..."
>   "I belong to Glasgow...         *           -- George & Blackadder

Over 21s? that sounds really restrictive is it really that bad?


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From:         SCLERC@BGSUOPIE.BITNET
Subject:      _Blake's 7_ mailing list

        OK, this isn't directly related to cinema. Sue me. There
is now a _Blake's 7_ mailing list in operation. If you want to
subscribe, send a request to blake7-request@lysator.liu.se

                Sue


sclerc@opie.bgsu.edu
sclerc.andy.bgsu.edu
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From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Rosalini in _Death_

Sorry, I have to disagree.  Isabella Rosalini may have been beautiful "as
always" but I believe she has little to no real acting talent.  She always
seems wooden and appears to be reading her lines from cue cards held slightly
off camera.  She may have inherited beauty from her mother but in terms of
acting she doesn't even begin to compare to Bergman.....or just about any other
actress, for that matter.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:56:05 +0000
From:         Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Election night

Now that Dave Letterman is shopping his show around there is
re-newed talk that Carvey would fill that slot with a show of
his own.

I saw Carvey filling in for Regis Philbin (anybody remember him from
_Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Sex*_) on the Regis and
Kathy Lee show (of course he was doing Reg the whole time), but he
was a fair interviewer and of course very funny.  Maybe, Carvey has
what Dennis Miller didn't.

--
-scott

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From:         "(Don McCreary)" <surak@PX1.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Saint

I didn't realize that there were so many people playing Simon Templar!  I
only remember Roger Moore.

Still, has anybody heard anything about them making a motion picture based
on that character?  I can't remember where I heard this, it may have been
when I was in England in April (sounds like something you would read in
Time Out).

While we are on the topic of Roger Moore, what was the series he played in
with Tony Curtis?  All I remember was it was in black and white and very
similar to *I Spy*.

Don
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The problems with Bugsy are many.
First, Levison directed the movie as he does all of his films.  Long pull
away far shots, high level music, hero, and so on.  Bugsy was not
an admirable character in any sense.  the way Levison brushed away
Bugsy's adultery, murderous, mad instinct, and furthermore, turned
it into an attractive character drawing women, clearly idealized the
Bugsy character.
BUGSY had a few good scenes, but most of them were not believable.  I will
give Levison the credit for the scene between Bugsy and the gentlemen who
was supposedly ripping him off was some of Beatty's best acting.  His anger
was communicated very well, his mood could not be missed and was
geuniely effective.  However, the reaction from Annette Benning's character
further two-dimensionalized a character who, at the beginning of the movie,
seemed very three-dimensional.  Her bending to Bugsy's will consistently
was not very believable.
Furthermore, Bugsy getting on the plane and leaving was played up in a
CASABLANCA type way.  completely off for this type of movie.  Then, his
death was held with such saddness that we are supposed to forget that this
guy was basically a two-bit thug.  Finally, the little epitaph at the end
of how Bugsy helped create las vegas was played down.  think of the implications
   Levison could have drawn.  Instead, the scene played like a dreamer's dream
come true when in actualality, it was probably a mobster's way to make
lots of money and scam people came true.
BUGSY was clearly and overated attempt.


david hull
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:38:45 -0500
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Election night

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            04-Nov-1992 04:06pm EST
FROM:  MDESCHUYTENEER
TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _cinema-l@auvm.bitnet )

SUBJECT: Election night

    Talk about a tough choice (except, maybe, for Liam if he lived around
    here): watch the poll returns on just about every channel or HUDSON
    HAWK on Showtime... 8-)

    About the election consequences, there was a rumor around here that
    Dana Carvey was going to leave Saturday Night Live soon after the
    election and work on movie projects that included a possible sequel to
    WAYNE'S WORLD and one based on his Church Lady character. Any substance
    about this? Now that both Bush and Perot are going back to private
    life, he'll sure have some free time.

    MICHEL
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From:         "(Carol Slingo)" <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      most movie roles

We think of "movies" as being individual, one-at-a time things (the Western
model, I guess).  In South India (at least 200,000,000 audience) movies are
still made side by side with popular directors turning out 4-5 a year and
actors making appearences in dozens.  I met Sukumari when she was shooting
in Chicago 1988.  She started as an ingenue and now plays grandmothers.
There's no doubt she's appeared in over a thousand films.  The "textbook"
example of a star's career is Prem Nazir who worked in Malayalam, Telugu
and Tamil films from the early 1950s until his death around 1989.  During
those years he played leads in over 500 films in the Malayalam language and
many more in Telugu or Tamil (originals or back-to-back other language
versions) and it is probably impossible to document his whole career.

The South Indian model is more like TV shows, with stars like Innocent
(comedy) coming out with a new film every 2-3 weeks and superstars like
Rajnikant with 3-5 a year (he's slowed down now, however).

When I was staying in Cochin, Kerala, in 1990, the top stars all had 3-4
movies running just in that metro area and their older films could be
spotted in the suburbs.
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From:         "(BERT DEIVERT - FILM - UNIV. OF KARLSTAD,
              SWEDEN)" <bert@KSTAD2.SUNET.SE>
Subject:      RE: Who was that man?

Alex,
I think you mean TAKASHI SHIMURA who also stars in Ikiru about a
public servant dying of cancer.  He is my favorite Kurosawa actor.
Bert
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:55:01 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hughes and J-man

>the world we live in. When Hughes is not trivializing teen problems,
>he's making stupid, silly films for kids. As for Marshall, I will
>never forgive him for PRETTY WOMAN, an ugly film that shamelessly
>glamorizes prostitution. To be fair, I did enjoy some of their films.

I think the one indictment of Hughes that won't stick is to accuse him
of trivilizing teen problems.  Quite the reverse.  He's one of the very
few directors of "teen" films that shows some genuine empathy for adolescent
relationships.  His dialogue is convincing because it reflects the way
young people relate to one another without patronizing them.  He
is much less successful in portraying adults.  But "The Breakfast Club,"
"Pretty In Pink" and "Sixteen Candles" are small films that work
fairly well within their limits.  They don't break any new cinematic ground,
but that's hardly a relevant criterion for Hollywood product.

As far as Cameron Crowe's "Singles"...I stand by my earlier assessment.
Crowe's style attracts a younger audience, somewhere between Hughes'
high school crowd and Neil Simon's American Express urban set.  He is
still pretty much of a neophyte as a director, but he continues to show
promise and a nice feel for ensemble dialogue.  Like R. Altman, he gives
his cast a lot of space in which to work.

My impression of "Pretty Woman" was not that it glamorized prostitution,
but that it pretty well ignored it as subject matter.  A light-weight
comedy, but an entertaining bit of fluff.  Marshall is nobody's
candidate for socially conscious director of the year.  Obviously, PM
was one of those "high concept" films designed to do big box office, and
it succeeded.  With the way development deals are packaged, you probably
have to make a "Pretty Woman" in order to finance a "'Round Midnight" or
"Barton Fink."  That's private enterprise for you.  There's room for both.

j-man