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From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo)
Subject: Ford Tempo + SHO engine = ?
Summary: Since we were on this SHO wagon kick...
Keywords: A good transaxle, better handling package...it'll work
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:19:24 GMT


Right after the LH/Lexus fiasco, I pulled up to a light,and right next to
me came a teal '92 Tempo with the V6 driven by a very attractive young
woman--who kept peering at the badge on my Acclaim. Anyway, I sat there
and thought, "Hmmmm--now wouldn't it be cool,since the Tempo/Topaz are being
redesigned in another year, if they went ahead and made a Tempo GT and stuffed
the SHO engine in it--made this thing maybe a limited production vehicle--and
sell it through select dealerships?"

Then again, maybe I should cut back on the hot chocolate in the morning...
Your opinions are welcome..bat this idea around a bit...

d.j. NetBoy

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From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: INFFINITI vs BMW
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:37:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Nov10.203626.21968
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <891078p.37.721421162@ace.acadiau.ca> 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins) writes:
>In article <BxGq0G.419@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:
>   The current chassis is only 14-years old.  The BMW doesn't look like it 
>has changed much at all in many years.

if you are talking about layout you are right.  but if you are talking
about suspension components and the like then you're off.  the 5
series has brand new multi-link rear suspension that is a complete
departure from the tail-happy semi-trailing arms.  likewise the new 3
series also has a completely revised rear end.  nobody talks about the
current bimmers being tail happy any more.  also the weight
distribution of the cars have shifted from front heavy to a perfect
50-50 (for the 5 series) over the years.

sometimes evolution is better than revolution.


eliot
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:45:21 GMT

In article <BxIyov.IMF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:

I did a study of "AWD" cars and systems a little while back and ....

>Mercedes Benz has an allegedly excellent 4wd system available on the 300E.  

the benz system is a case of extreme overkill.  very sophisticated and
very complex but very modest goals.. that of an automatically engaging
part time 4wd system.  ugh!  road tests show that it is not in the
least bit superior in terms of behavior than simpler full time systems
such as Audis.  Mercedes have already bitten the bullet with 4Matic.
The next generation of 300E will have a much simpler full time system
like the other makes.

>Porsche 911 is available with 4wd. 

now you're talking.  here's a sophisticated and complex system that's
actually better than Audi's.  it also doubles as a cure for the 911's
tail happiness.  (when the speed and g sensors sense that the tail is
about to wag, it induces understeer through progressive locking of the
rear differential)

>These are the only 4wd luxury cars I can think of

Audi quattro!!  the cars that started the ball rolling.  The company
with the most experience with the most refined AWD system your money
can buy.  the latest models are much more luxurious and quiet than the
raw excitement of the earlier models.  if you want the ultimate AWD
luxury car, look no further.  those from rival companies are mere
token attempts at answering to audi's barrage with AWD available for
every single model.  you have many choices, the 90 and 100 with 172
bhp, the S4 with 230+, the V8 with 280.  the top models are AWD only.

>If you just want safe snow behavior, consider a 2wd car with traction control.
>Here are all the ones I can think of:

[..]

>	Mitsubishi Diamante (This one MAY have 4wd.  I can't remember.)

nope, it's fwd.
 

cheers,


eliot
From: ronr@ateami2.EBay.Sun.COM (RON RICHARDSON - SUN MICROSYSTEMS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Auto Specs on the net?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:09:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ronr@ateami2.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ateami2.ebay.sun.com

Sorry if this is a FAQ.  

I'm looking to find auto specs on the net.  Anyone know of a database
of specs?

Thanks!

Ron Richardson



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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:36:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.083617.1780@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>
>nissan skyline GT-R
>bmw Z1
>ford sierra cosworth (sapphire, RS, RS500, etc)
>opel calibra (beautiful car)
>
>didn't honda cancel production of th


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From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Q on 93 Toyota Corolla/ Geo Prizm
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:43:22 GMT
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <5708@sumax.seattleu.edu>, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:

|> For some reason the PRIZM is cheaper.... I think GM is really hurting
|> for sales.

I think Toyota is price gouging.  They Corolla costs about $1500 more
for what is essentially the same car as the Prizm.

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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:50:22 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1992Nov12.124943.3877@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> dan@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Daniel Adams) writes:

>What really amazes me is the way Honda is trying to convince Americans
>that their products are American.  Not 5 years ago the biggest selling
>point of Honda was that it was Japanese.  In fact there was major concern
>of Honda-ites that the quality of American built Hondas would be lower 
>than for Japanese built.  With the poor domestic economy over the past 
>couple of years, there has been a resurgance of buy American, and 
>Honda is taking steps to try to save their slipping sales.

I never had any concern about where the cars were made. I consider
Japanese design to be superior. I'm happy that my Civic was assembled in
Ohio for economic reasons but I was never concerned about quality control.

Honda (IMO) doesn't seem to be pushing the 'made in the USA' ad campaign
nearly as hard as they could. Why not have an ad comparing how many
'American' cars really aren't?

>I was listening to a report on NPR, in which they interviewed a Honda
>plant worker (in Ohio) and the NA President for Honda (an American).
>Both emphasis that their product was made in America.
>If we turn back the history pages, the reason Honda built a plant in
>America was to increase their profits, and NOT to add American 
>jobs. 

So what? If they can make their cars here and still make a profit, they
will. That's just fine with me.

-Geoff
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:57:18 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Nov11.031133.5352@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>Hey, the Vehicle Identification Number on my Civic starts with a "1" which
>means the US Govt. considers my car a domestic product as it was assembled
>in Ohio.
>I did buy American as far as I'm concerned.

Without commentary (I drive both a Saturn SL2 and a Honda Civic (college
days)) here's a little piece to help people determine domestic content.

The US dept of <whatever> accepts as 100% domestic content anything that
has "added major value" to a component. So, the various component makers
can pretty much ship $9 dollars of parts from oversees, put them into
a $1 US made box, assemble it in a cornfield-turned-factory, and call it
$10 worth of US parts. Here's an example from Business Week, 18 Nov 1991 
issue, that gives an example; 

"Honda says the crankshaft in the 90 Accord is 100% US because it's made
entirely in the US. But many of its American suppliers are owned by
Japanese companies. Thus, it's hard to determine the true 'domestic
content'" :

|> Using American steel, a bar is made by Copperweld steel co, 63.4% 
   owned by Japanese.

|> Next, TFO Tech, a 100% Japanese owned firm, forges the steel,
   adding major value

|> The crankshaft is shipped to Metalurgical Services Co for heat
   treatment. (100% US owned).

|> The part returns to TFO for more processing

|> Finally the engine plant in Anna, Oh, 100% owned by Honda, machines
   and assembles it.

Go figger.

The article has a few more interesting examples. What I find interesting
is why would the crankshaft have a grand tour of Ohio, going thru
4-5 suppliers...

>Of course, I could have bought some Chrysler product manufactured
>exclusively in Canada if I really wanted an import.

Watch it, buddy. Don Clayton is listening :-) (sorry Don, could not resist)

Spiros (speaking for hisself of course)
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From: roger@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Roger Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:59:05 GMT
Organization: MID, Home of the Happy Dinosaurs

In rec.autos, HERBERT DASILVA <hsd@swl.msd.ray.com> writes:

|   I saw this in the Boston Globe this past Sunday, and thought it would be
|   of general interest.  Most of the lists we see are the "top 10 cars",
|   which typically contain a high percentage of Japanese autos.

Thanks for posting the stats.

Wow, lots of trucks being bought!  (As you mentioned.)
Now I can see why Toyota got into the truck business.

If you break the list into "cars" and "trucks", the list looks like this:
(Note: minivans are often classified as trucks.  But that's another story.).
Still, the US has more top selling vehicles than Japan, and European
vehicles are nowhere to be found (why is that?).

        Cars                    Minivans            Trucks
	-------------		--------------	    -------------------
|   1.                                              Ford F-series pickup
|   2.                                              Chevy CK pickup
|   3.  Honda Accord                
|   4.  Ford Taurus                 
|   5.                                              Ford Explorer
|   6.  Toyota Camry                
|   7.                                              Ford Ranger
|   8.  Ford Escort    
|   9.                          Dodge Caravan               
|  10.  Chevy Lumina (car)          
|  11.  Honda Civic    
|  12.  Ford Tempo    
|  13.  Chevy Cavalier    
|  14.  Toyota Corolla    
|  15.  Pontiac Grand Am    
|  16.                          Plymouth Voyager    
|  17.                                              Chevy S10 pickup
|  18.                                              Toyota pickup
|  19.                          Ford Aerostar    
|  20.                                              GMC Sierra pickup
	-------------		--------------	    -------------------
        Cars                    Minivans            Trucks

Totals:	(US=6, Japan=4)		(US=3)		    (US=6, Japan=1)
From: perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Merkur XR4Ti
Summary: where to get service for Merkurs
Keywords: n
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:56:32 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation

I have an '85 Merkur XR4Ti which I am happy with and for which I get routine
servicing done by a selection of mechanics, brake shops, etc all arrived at
by personal recommendation.  However, it looks like I will need some work
done on the turbo and my mechanic says "I don't do turbos".

So, my question is:  Do Ford dealers know *anything* about Merkurs?  This is
not a question about using dealers in general (I don't) but for specialized
work they sometimes have their place.  Alternatively, I am open to suggestions
for places to get my Merkur looked at in the Sacramento region.

Please email and I'll summarize for any other XR4Ti drivers out there.

Does anyone know if a turbo version of the Ford Sierra XR4i (which, with
1457 engineering changes :-) is what a Merkur is) was ever sold in Germany?
I am almost certain that the UK version never had a turbo (or a 4 cylinder
2.3 litre engine, for that matter).

Perry
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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: NISSAN'S ALTIMA CHALLENGES ACCORD, TAURUS, CAMRY
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:10:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.053231.23827@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>	   As a performance car, some might find Altima lacking. They could
>>also dispute Nissan's claim that its 2.4-liter, four-cylinder engine
>>matches a V-6. One Honda driver who sampled the Altima resorted to stealing
>>Lloyd Bentsen's line: ``This car is no Honda Accord.''

>oh, sure, and i bet the honda driver went on to brag about how
>his V-6 accord could show its heels to an M5.

while the altima could be better than the accord in some departments,
there's no way that 2.4 liter bag o' nails could ever be even a remote
match for honda's balance shafted 2.2, let alone anybody's v6.  all
the major competitorsa in that category (camry, taurus, accord) have
either v6 engines or balance shaft 4s..  except nissan.  looks like a
major miss as far as i'm concerned.  it is like trying to sell an X
windows software product that's written in fortran.


eliot
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Experience invoking LEMON LAW?
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

I noticed a thread recently, either here or in
misc.consumers, about the various state Lemon Laws.

Sorry if I missed it, but I was wondering whether 
anyone has actually had experience invoking their
state's Lemon Law, and whether they were succesful in
getting a refund/exchange?

	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: minnebo@probe.acs.oakland.edu (Brian P. Minnebo)
Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
Keywords: wheel bearing
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.165508.22194@microware.com> adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg) writes:
>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, bhhardy@cs.utk.edu (Barbara Hardy) says:
>
>>>
>>>I have an 85 Dodge Omni/2.2L front wheel drive, 112K miles.
>>>
>>>When driving straight ahead, the engine noise is a little louder than
>>>it ought to be. This is in comparison to the engine noise when I am
>>>turning left. It feels quite good then, no tension. As I bring the car
>>>back to straight ahead, the noise increase. It gets positvely
>>>annoyingly and scarily loud when I turn to the right, and the noise
>>>"feels" more "tense."

I've had these symptoms on an 82 2.2L Dodge Rampage AND an 84 2.2L Dodge
Charger.  both ended up being a bad wheel bearing (the mech. who fixed
it said it is common amoung mopar fwd cars of the time).

[ Adam G.'s description deleted for brevity ]

Wow, thats reading a lot into one little noise, let me know if you
were right too.

Brian
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-freeze-100%-50% or what %-
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:37:58 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'Dell) says:

>I know that each manufacturer recommends a certain ratio of
>anti-freeze to water for their vehicles depending upon the
>lowest temperature expected in the area of vehicle operation.
>
>The thermo-conductivity of water is also a lot higher than
>anti-freeze-thereby cooling better-
>Ethylene-Glycol has a 387o boiling point, whereas water is 212o.
>So, theoretically at least, the more anti-freeze, the lower temps.
>The more water you use, the more efficient the cooling aspect is,
>but the probability of rust enters the picture.
>
>I was over at a big-time farmer`s place yesterday, and he told
>me they use all anti-freeze in their equipment (tractors, ect.) and
>in their vehicles. That was the first time I heard that.
>Anti-freeze costs a lot more than water, so why do they do it?
>
>So, the question(s) are---What are the pros and cons of using
>all anti-freeze, other than those metioned above, if, in fact,
>that is true, or is it more desirable to have a mix.
an interesting phenomenon takes place when you mix water and antifreeze
(we looked at this in chemistry..no..not an expert..but recall this
specific example)..seems that the freezing point of water, and anti freeze
are effectively lowered..if you mix in too much water, the freezing point
goes up(easier to freeze), and likewise for using straight antifreeze, it
too will be easier to freeze than a mixture(in other words, the two combined
properly have a lower freezing point than either alone) and same for the
boiling point..the right amounts make it peak, but either alone is not as
tolerant in boiling point..(did this make sense, even if you do not belive
it, did you follow it?)
DREW
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From: v109lpch@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Troy Waldmiller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Gauge problem on 87 Chevy Nova
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just the other day I was driving along and noticed that my fuel and temperature
gauge went up as high as they could go.  I got out and checked the engine and
it was only warm to the hand and my antifreeze was still at its proper level.
I have an 87 chevy nova, and I was wondering if anyone might know where the 
problem lies.  Since both the fuel and temp gauges went up, I dont think its a 
problem with the sensors but rather a voltage problem.  

  any help would be aprreciated

  Troy Waldmiller
  v109lpch@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Minivan experiences
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:57:47
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
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In-reply-to: dxs@cbnewsc.cb.att.com's message of Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:18:58 GMT


Due to Ford's inability/refusal to fix my (under warranty) Scorpio, I
rented a Dodge Caravan AWD this summer and drove it 3000 miles (from
11,000 to 14,000).

Here are my experiences:

1) good engine response, better than my $28,000 sticker Ford.

2) 20 MPG overall, pretty darn good for full-time 4WD (although
allegedly the rear wheels don't get power until the front slip).

3) incredible room with the third seat removed

4) good integrity considering 11,000 rental miles

5) long reach to the stereo, even for me (6' tall, ape-like arms).
Get the Sony remote-control ES stereo or something where you can
change stations without reaching.  The sound quality of the raw stock
AM/FM radio was surprisingly good.

6) nice and quiet

7) comfortable seats

It was a lot better than my Ford and only about half the price.

Philip Greenspun
MIT Department of EECS
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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: BH 90210 screws Street Machiners!!!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:51:01 GMT

> JJ Serowik <JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I realize probably none of you guys/gals watch this show, but I happened to
>catch part of it on Wednsday night.  The one character was hyped to get into
>a hit and run accident, where she got hit by a car.  Not only did she get hit
>by a car, but she got hit by a street machine!!!!  I caught a glimpse of the
>car before it hit her, It was your average street machine, I think it was
>a 69 Silver/White? Chevelle with a hood scoop, dual exhaust, and mags!
>Why do these shows always screw with street machines?  Why didn't she get
>hit with a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry????  Did any of you people see the
>show?  Am I right?  I realize that they were trying to make a point, but why do
>they have to do bullshit like that?  It's shit like this that pisses me off,
>because they give street machiners a bad rap.  I wish they wouldn't do this
>shit all the time!!!,

Yes, I saw the show too. Yes, it was a `69 or `70 Chevelle with an air
cleaner sticking out of the hood. Duals, mags, the whole package. Pretty
car, IMHO. I just wish that it had killed her. 

Why didn`t she get hit by a Camry?? Well, any car as small and crappy as
that would not hurt anybody, even if it hit full force!  :-)


Remember, PUNCH IT, MARGARET!!!

>P.S. Damn right I'm mad!

I agree 100%  It was a blatant attack on hot-rodding. I mean think about
it, who would want to scratch up their car like that???

Mike

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