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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Dating & Courting & (was: Dancing with Commitment)
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:36:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <ofM8=Qm00iUyM8r4RM@andrew.cmu.edu> Ray Mialki <rm1g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>My pastor defines the difference between dating and courting as follows:
>
>Dating is going somewhere with anyone.
>Courting is going anywhere with someone.
>
>In dating, the emphasis is on the place, with little regards to the who.
> Courting emphasizes the person, with little regard to the place.

Interesting.  I see the difference between the two definitions. 
I'd like to suggest, tho, something that several of us in one church's
singles' group came up with:

Dating is being with a friend of the opposite sex, getting to know them
better, and perhaps sharing mutual affection (ie hugs/kisses/backrubs).
The goals of dating are to get to know the other person better & have fun.

Courting is trying to determine if you want to marry someone of the 
opposite sex, and if so, to convince that person to marry you. The 
goal of courting is marriage. 

The reason for these definitions were that several of us were unhappy
with the "I-want-to-be-married" and "I've-got-to-get-married" focus 
of many in the group. For us, a _dating_ focused on the person (and
if one of us decided that the person one had focused on was a good
marriage partner, so much the better - and several of the group did).
_Courting_, the term of choice of the marriage-fanatics, focused on
_marriage_.  As in 

person A: "I want to get married"
person B: "How nice. To whom?"

-jen
From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Need some Christian "RAVE" muzik, PLEEZ!
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:09:06 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Heyo.  I need to find Christian RAVE muzik.  I'm still listening to the Shamen
and Jesus Jones and B.A.D. II and I need some CHRISTIAN inspiration!

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!

Bruce
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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Geeks??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:56:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.110813.14187@bsu-ucs> 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
 
>And I must take offense to everyone who flamed the 'Planes of Existance' guy.

Me too.  Two lives ago I was a United Airlines 747, with one of the largest
first-class sections in the world.  Today I can barely run, let alone
fly.  It seems that I've never been able to live down all that bad
karma that resulted from the Air Traffic Controllers strike.  But I'm
working on it.  Someday I hope to be a space shuttle and learn more 
about astral planes.  

>I myself am the reincarnation of several people, but none of them
>were cool or anything. (Kidding!)

Don't be so sure.  Do you wear Raybans?  Eat sushi?  Own a beeper?
These are all signs that at one time you may have been a really cool
member of Cleopatra's court or a Count or Earl or at least a 
powerful Visigoth chieftain named Ulf.  Want to learn more?  Let
me recommend the weekend-long tax-deductible seminar "The Plane
Truth as Taught by Swami River" (a.k.a. "Old Man" River, the 
most excellent 3,486 year old currently residing in Hoboken, NJ
whose original incarnation was as a slug at the bottom of a pond
in what is now modern-day Gary, Indiana, but who has paid his
dues as a Thracian slave named Spartacus and as Millard Fillmore's
Vice President and who has now assumed the mantle of The Great
Enlightened One, 47th World Master and Possessor of the Cosmic
Third Eye).  The cost of the seminar is $2,599 (down from 
$2,799 last year!), but the price also includes all workbooks and
pencils and a complimentary Continental breakfast on Sunday morning.

>Did you ever notice that people who are reincarnated always seem to be new
>incarnations of INTERESTING people??  Kind of like, Well, I'm a nerd now, but
>I WAS someone cool!! REALLY!!
>
>No one ever says 'I am a reincarnated shoe salesman from Jersey', or anything.

Not true.  Ravi Oli Shankar, the great Italian/Indian guru who was the 
46th World Master, threw Tupperware parties in one of his previous lives.  
In fact, I believe he invented Tupperware, as well as the electric
hot dog bun warmer and the Vegematic and Ginsu knives and many other
handy, economical, step-saving kitchen appliances.  So it's not all 
glamour.  We all have to work out our karma, and none of us reach
Nirvana on the first try.  It's just around and around and around
on the wheel.  It helps it you've saved up a little money so you
can buy a vowel, though.

>Scott Naylor (The FIRST time around!)
>Ball State University
>00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

Mahavishnua Andy Whitman (14th level initiate in the Order O' Onion Rings)
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: v087jsfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Danny Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Noisy Little Sunbeams
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I just got the Noisy Little Sunbeams cd, sounds good.  Does anybody
know what they are talking about Mormons and some planet though?

I also got the Scott Blackwell cd and the My King song is pretty good.

I wonder do you know him?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Christian Music Dance Clubs
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:28:36 GMT

jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>hate to break it too you, but the era of 'Victorian morals' was 
>relatively short on the "centuries" scale. and even those days were a 
>lot more wild than we give them credit for. sure, the -number- of 
>social diseases was smaller, but syphillis was about as sure & deadly 
>then as AIDS is now. also consider that a -lot- of marriages were of 
>the shotgun variety. (i've heard anywhere from 40-70%.) so there's
>an idea of how they "did it before dance clubs existed".

Mmmm, sounds great.

>it comes down to this: if people are going to sin, they are whether or
>not disco music (90's or 70's variety) is playing in the background.

I used to use the same logic when I dealt drugs - "gee, might as well,
if they don't get it from me, they'll get it somewhere else.  Only _my_
drugs are safe and I know where they come from - not like some of that
other junk people sell."

--
Noel Estabrook			|	Knowledge without action is like
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:45:59 GMT
Subject: Re: First Call Concert
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, hook@vnet.ibm.com (Gary R. Hook) writes:

> In article <C19n1E.1pC9@austin.ibm.com>, bmoore@sunfish.austin.ibm.com (Bryan Moore) writes:
> |> Then, when they came out, I could
> |> swear that they were just lip synching, and not even singing at all.
> 
> Not!!!!
> 
> |> Now I was really bumming, I felt like leaving and complaining right
> |> there. But as the show progressed, I realized that they weren't lip
> |> synching, but just had amazing voices.
> 
> These people can sing!  Like very few other groups around.

They *do* have amazing voices...but not every vocal you hear is live. Since 
they often overdub their vocals on their albums they *can't* do it all live.
The studio charts usually have six parts on them. Three sets of pipes can't 
do six-part vocals. 

And I'm pretty sure that the tracks occasionally contain the *same* vocals
they sing live...

I once had the opportunity of hearing them sing up close and *unamplified*
in the Melodie Tunney days (12 years and $8 grand on the C/A seminar gets one
a *lot* of such experiences) I was left with two impressions. First,
they actually sing fairly quietly--they wail w/o shouting and let the sound 
man "blow it up". Second, they *really* are good...

Bob (is it real or is it Nimbus??) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Re: upcoming music releases!
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:41:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.202612.10013@iscsvax.uni.edu> gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray) writes:
>In article <1jhmohINN2hs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, 
> warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (John R. Warren) writes a bunch of stuff, most
> of which I have deleted for the sake of space.
>> I got my Long's newsletter in the mail today.  It lists new releases for
>> January, February, and March of this year.  Here's some of the new stuff
>> that I found most exciting:
>> Guardian--Miracle Mile
>FINALLY! You have no idea how long I have been waiting for Guardian's 3rd
>album.  Ever since their very powerful "Fire and Love", the wait is/was almost
>unbearable. (if you know what I mean)
> 
Have you heard any of it?  If you have, then you truly know what an unbearable
wait really is.  I saw them in concert on Nov 6 (one of the best concerts I've
ever been to) and they played "Curiousity Killed the Cat."  I couldn't believe
how good it sounded.  My roommate interviewed Tony for our school's paper and
he said there will be 13 songs, most of them sounding like what they did on
stage.  They goof around on a couple songs and put a couple love songs in
there, too.  The reason it's taken so long is that they're putting a lot of
work in it.  Tony told my roommate that they're more excited about this album
than they were about Fire and Love (I find that hard to believe since Fire and
Love was so much better than their 1st album.  But maybe this one is just THAT
good (scary thought.)).
A guy at Tru Tunes Etc. has heard most of it and he says that if you were a
Guardian fan before, you'll be a bigger one after this album.

				Now how do you feel?

				Richard M. Bennema

--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kent@guthrie.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
Subject: 77's @ Powerhouse
Reply-To: kent@guthrie.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:33:59 GMT

For those of you out of the DFW metroplex, I called PowerHouse and they do not
sell tickets in advance.  Their only recommendation was to get there early,
no later than 6:30.  They said they've had calls from Oklahoma and Louisiana so
expect a full house.

Kent


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From: horst@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Horst Hogenkamp)
Subject: BACKWARDMASKING
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:05:15 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.
Keywords: backmasking





Does anyone you know of any song where the backward
message is evil and the forward message is not?

All backward messages I know of reveal nothing new with respect
to the forward messages of the same song and/or group/artist.



Horst
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: gratrix@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jackie Gratrix)
Subject: Re: The Choir
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:52:40 GMT


910773f@axe.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE) writes:
> I have just discovered the Choir, thanks to my good buddy Pete.
> 
> Anyone have any comments about them?

I really like the "Chase the Kangaroo" and "Diamonds and Rain" albums, 
but don't care much for most of the material on "Wide Eyed Wonder"
(title track and "Someone to hold on to" excepted).  I'm glad
that album was not my first exposure to The Choir, or I'd never
have bought any of their other stuff.  Anyone know what is
meaning behind "Robin  had a dream"?  It's got to be my least
favorite Choir song.
From: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (John R. Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: feb _CCM_
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:49:54 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

I  read a copy of a friend's February _CCM_ yesterday and thought y'all
might be interested in a couple of things they said.

1) Larry Norman has made a deal with someone (if only I had the article
with me!) to release several old Solid Rock albums on CD.  If I remember
correctly they will be distributed by Spectra.  Each album will feature
"lavish" packaging and several bonus tracks.  Specifically mentioned for
release this year were:
   --Horrendous Disc (Daniel Amos)  YES! YES! YES! (x1000)
   --Appalachian Melody (Mark Heard)  YES! (x999)
   --The Sky Is Falling (R. Stonehill)  YES! (x997)
   --a "Best of Solid Rock" compilation  YES! (x???)
   --and more, probably including Stonehill's "Welcome to Paradise" and
     Larry's "In Another Land" and "Only Visiting This Planet"

2) The new Daniel Amos (not DA) album "Motor Cycle" got a good review.
Jerry Chamberlain is back and so are the Beatle influences.  CCM called
it their most Beatle-influenced album since "Horrendous Disc."  Keep
watching those bookstores--if it's been reviewed it will be out any day
now!

John Warren
"Dear John, who's more poplular now?  I've been listening to Paul's records;
I think he really is dead!"--Larry Norman
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Johnson)
Subject: Re: MUSIC
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:58:45 GMT

In article <5855.381.uupcb@travel.com> lance.kohler@travel.com (Lance Kohler)  writes:
>
>I used to call MWS and Amy Grant "Judas's" for going to secular radio,
>but now I think it's a good idea. I'm telling you, ia lot of the ..bands
>would release just one song, it would be great. Whitecross, Whiteheart,
>Guardian, Petra, DTalk, Barren Cross, SCChapman, etc. Why can't we get
>those big "Christians" out there.. in the music business to do this. I
>feel so small, I cannot make this happen. I feel it would be. a good
>witness.
>
>Anybody with me?
>
>stonewall
>                                              

I can't pass this opportunity up.  I definitely agree with you, but
I've got to say that it ain't easy.  I think the more music we
get into the "secular" market with even "clean/wholesome" lyrics
let alone Christian ones is a good thing.  Secular music could use
some cleaning up.  I'm not sure how GREAT a witness it would be
but it sure would be meeting the needs of a WHOLE LOT of people
out there that need to clear their minds, get back to basics, and
most definitely find the Lord.

Now, having said that...what is the problem with this picture.
Well, first of all the secular labels will probably only take the
best musicians/performers.  This means there will be fewer top
quality acts doing music directed towards Christians.  This will
not make the typical contemporary music lover happy.  Why do you
think so many people "rip on" Amy Grant and MWS?  It's because
"they don't do lyrics like they used to" or "they just don't
minister to my needs anymore".  I agree.  I don't like Amy Grant's
or MWS's music much anymore because it doesn't minister to my
needs.  But why does it have to?  They are meeting someone elses
needs.  The second problem is that there aren't very many
Christian artists IMO that have the ability, drive, stage 
presence, etc. to make it.  Come on...give me a break...most
contemporary Christian music is average, stereotypical, and
too "pop".   Another problem is the temptation that the secular
music business presents.  It's going to be very difficult to
remain strong in your faith in that environment.  Some artists
are going to backslide, but face it so are other Christians
when they meet the world head on.  We all face temptations.

Finally, I am so tired of people ripping up Christian artists
for not doing music aimed at church people.  Do we condemn
Christian businessmen for running grocery stores, clothing
stores, etc.  Do we condemn Christian mechanics, athletes, etc.
No.  Why do we only condemn Christian "artists" for not using
their talents to proclaim the Lord after each and every word.

Boy, that was a mouthful.  I'm sorry I went on and on so long, but
this has been pent up for a long time.  I


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: delpinal@netcom.com (Erwin Del Pinal)
Subject: Re: King's X singles
Followup-To: rec.music.christian:rec.music.misc
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:36:53 GMT

Does anyone know what singles King's X release from their new album last
year? I know they released Black Flag, but I don't know about any others.
Also, If anyone knows how the singles and the album did in the charts, I
would be thankful.


erwin


delpinal@netcom.com		personal
paiz@ingres.com			work

ps. has the newsletter (King's X) been mailed out in the last six
months? I have not received any. Just wondering.
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Where is Silverwind?
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:27:35 GMT
Reply-To: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: shylock.cs.rose-hulman.edu

Joel Labson writes
> Keywords: 
> 
> Whatever happen to SILVERWIND ??? Anybody knows???? 
> 
> 
> -- 
If I remember correctly, Betsy Hernandez was the lead vocalist for  
Silverwind.  She does about half of the vocals on Michael Card's "Sleep  
Sounds in Jesus", and I think she is also involved in the writing and  
production of Steve Green's "Hide 'em in your Heart" series.  So it looks  
like she is still involved in Christan music, but aimed at a younger age.
Personally I think that her children's music is better quality than  
Silverwind's was.  

And weren't she and here husband involved with Candle, the group who put out  
so many delightful children's albums (and a few duds, too) in the late  
1970's and early 1980's?   
--

Claude Anderson
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
(812)877-8331
From: gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:49:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <81333@hydra.gatech.EDU>, vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
> 
> Gee, Brent, what do you really think?  Seriously, just a question.  What
> DO you like to listen to?  (BTW, I'm glad Steve annoys you so i was able to
> buy your On the Fritz CD :-)  The above rant against Taylor, plus additional
> stuff that i deleted, seems rather harsh coming from someone who complains
> about Taylor's lack of compassion in his satire.  
> 
Jerry, I take rock-n-roll very seriously, and I'm mad about Taylor because
I wasted big bucks on "I Predict 1990." And I'm talking about 1988 dollars--
high school, part-time job, near-minimum-wage dollars. And the tone of my
"rant" is much softer than it could have been. I respect Taylor because he's
smart, because I think he genuinely matured in his world-view over the
years. But I don't think he's a very good musician; he needs to write
songs with people who are. 

> Who are these lazy rejects that you rail against?  Look again at the credits
> for I Predict 1990.  The band on that album is largely the same people that
> are in Chagall Guevara, who you praise (relative to the rest of your post, 
> at least...).  If you're gonna rant, at least rant consistently :-)
> 
I count no member of "1990"'s band who is the same as Chagall: Dave Thrush,
Jeff Stone, Glen Holmen, Jack Kelly, Steve Goomas, Gym Nicholson versus
Chagall's Wade Jaynes, Mike Mead, Lynn Nichols, and Dave Perkins.

Chaggall Guevara is essentially the same band that accompanied Phil Keaggy
on his best album, the excellent "Sunday's Child," an album about which
I have nothing disparaging to say (Surprise, surprise! :^). As far
as straightforward, honest-to-God CCM goes, I really love Terry Taylor
and the various incarnations of Daniel Amos. They are one of the best
things happening in rock-n-roll, not just CCM. I also like some of 
Phil Keaggy's stuff, some of Randy Stonehill's stuff. I was impressed
with the Lost Dogs album; and although I've never heard Adam Again, Gene
Eugene really shines on that album.

My favorites in general, beyond those mentioned above, are Bob Dylan,
Elvis Costello, the Clash, the Byrds, pre-1970 Kinks, pre-1969 George
Jones, Sam Phillips, post-1986 Tom Petty, and Buck Owens and the Buckeroos
when Don Rich was still alive.

I hope this helps you.

Brent White
gt6704a@prism.gatech.edu
  
> #####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: pauls@ll.mit.edu (Richard Pauls)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:47:58 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab

In article <1993Jan26.153306.17348@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

 lot of very interesting and provocative commentary deleted...

> ...  But the Church should admit
>it has a problem.  It should talk about sexuality, and it should
>talk about the very real temptations that its members will face.
>It should offer encouragement to those who are struggling.  And
>it should offer forgiveness to those who have fallen.  Jesus
>told a woman caught in sexual sin, "I don't condemn you.  Go and
>sin no more."  Somehow those strike me as the *last* words that
>I would expect to hear in many churches. 

I agree Andrew.  It takes discussions such as this to bring about the
kind of changes you have pointed out.  I am amazed at the statistics
you quoted, and I would like to know which denomination it was.  I feel this 
necessary to truly accept such remarkable information as fact.
Whether the stats are true or not, you make some excellent points with
which I personaly agree.  Do you think that a Church with a celebate
leadership would be even more out of touch, or more likely to identify
with the struggles of singles as they struggle themselves?

-Rich
Organization: Security, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:27:24 -0500 
From: Ray Mialki <rm1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Christian Dance Clubs

My pastor defines the difference between dating and courting as follows:

Dating is going somewhere with anyone.

Courting is going anywhere with someone.

In dating, the emphasis is on the place, with little regards to the who.
 Courting emphasizes the person, with little regard to the place.
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is a Christian?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:38:51 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1993Jan25.124006.165629@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
> In article <1993Jan19.215757.10320@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
>> 1.  What is the defintion of a Christian?

Thanks to the person who noticed my slip......
(I couldn't reply to your mail address)

> One who believes in Jesus Christ, in particular what he claimed about
> himself, and the Bible's record of what he did 

I meant to add "...and obeys Jesus' teaching"

Regards,

John Bennett                                   bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au