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From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Re: : RFD : soc.culture.malaysia
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:52:53 GMT

Yep I certainly think that it is the right time to create our own
news group.  This is because as far as I have observed, there is little
discussions about ASEAN in general but rather individuals from each 
country pertain to discuss about the news from their country.  
So you certainly have my vote.

siong

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: seow@kraft.ecn.purdue.edu (Aik Siong Seow)
Subject: soc.culture.singapore is up!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:56:48 GMT

Hey everyone!
	Soc.culture.singapore is up. Join in the fray!


** Chris Seow **
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siflash@solomon.technet.sg (Singapore International Foundation)
Subject: FREE NEW SERVICES FOR S'POREANS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:06:06 GMT


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We at the Singapore International Foundation will
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:59:04 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

Much has been made of someone's posting the details of Mr. Othman's 
proffesional qualifications here.  May I remind those objecting that 
this is not personal information but the sort of information that a 
university actually goes out of its way to publicise.  Furthermore, 
Mr. Othman having taken the first step of belittling the qualifications 
of others, it is only reasonable that his own be made known so that 
those whom he belittled can rate them.  


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: georges@cs.concordia.ca (CHUNG KAM CHUNG georges)
Subject: Human Resource Organization
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:50:02 GMT

Hello,
 
Does anyone know of any human resource organization, located 
in Singapore, which would be willing to match foreign workers 
with potential employers.  I am completing my Master in 
Computer Science, and heard that there are openings in that 
field in Singapore.
 
Please email your replies to georges@cs.concordia.ca
 
Thanks,
Georges
-- 
Georges CHUNG KAM CHUNG                          georges@cs.concordia.ca 
                                                geo@maxwell.concordia.ca
"Programmers  and  programs  alike need die gracefully upon failure, and
exit with no system disruption." -- Plagiarized from USENET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: No environment, Never Developed?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:25:05 GMT


I'm very shaky here but the facts are:

The cleaner the environment, the more developed the place is.

The examples are german unification. Now that east germany is getting more
environmentally clean, it will be more developed.

A very good past example is Singapore.
It cleaned its environment before achieving the development status.

counter facts:
the primitives do not destroy their environment and yet they are not developed.

An explanation is that they actually destroy the environment but fortunately
the rate at which they destroy it is naturally cleaned by nature. I'm talking
about the shifting cultivators, primitive boat people, and there are a lot of
them in Sabah. If these people were allowed to grow in number without being
educated they will kill the environment because of having poor sewage and 
garbage disposal. There is little garbage because their products are all
organic. They also kill the trees and wild animals and therefore upset the 
balance of nature.

Why is it important to keep the environment clean?
Well, to keep the prime movers in place. The prime movers are the people who
actually create wealth. 
These people tend to be rich and by spending also uplift the standard of living
of people around them. Without these rich people, everyone will be poor. Of
course there are other factors such as tax rates but these people surely would
rather stay/visit clean places than filthy places.
	It may not be true a hundred years ago but now communication is so 
rapid that people move freely.

I've to admit that Malaysia has little intention to clean up its environment 
because of the mistaken belief that it will cost a lot of money but then it
must be thought as a very highly effective investment.
	If people do not want to invest, we should not welcome them. In fact
they will create more damages than the revenue that they create. A good 
example is the Mamut mine in Sabah.

Another example is the pollution of Penang beach. There may be more lost
revenue as a result of loss of tourism than the revenue gain from
reckless industrialisation. The cost of cleaning must be taken into account
and usually it is cheaper to clean at the source i.e. factories than when
they are spread out.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Starting soc.culture.malaysia
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:57:34 GMT


s4805016@mail.ncku.edu.tw (patrick) writes:
: 
: i agree too,this is the time to creat such newsgroup.
: but i am curios that how to do it,and who will manage it.
: can anyone tell me the way to do it ?
: 
: 

I have already started the process going. It takes 30 days of discussion
before a vote can be called. If everyone is in agreement with the latest
proposal then there will be no hitch (hopefully) in beginning the vote.

In news.announce.newgroups there is an article telling how to create
a new newsgroup, it is posted every month i think, and that is the process
I am following. 

Special note: followups (discussion) to my first post are in news.groups
I thank everyone so far for their support.

-chris barrera       barrera@mtu.edu

Secretary - Malaysian Students Association
Michigan Technological University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ckuan@fraser.sfu.ca (Chiow Min Kuan)
Subject: Re: Why so quiet?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:14:52 GMT

Herbie Husker (herbie@go.big.red) writes:

>othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:

>>After not typing for 1 full month I feel a little bit uneasy and slow so do
>>not like to talk too much.

>>Why not much cotroversial topics although there are a lot of new developments
>>in Malaysia?

>-----------

>Arrrhhh......  he's alive........
 
      Wow, he's really alive, eh. You can bet your life on it. I hope En. OthmanAhmad could make more significant contributions to this newsgroup from now on.
Hey, how about giving some comments about the incidence in Bukit Merah, Perak, 
Malaysia, En. Othman Ahmad?
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian(?) christmas lights wanted
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:52:52 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Edinburgh University

A slightly unusual request here :-)

Christmas just having been past, there was some family chat of
christmases long ago and I was trying to describe to my brother's
children the christmas lights that we had when I was a kid.

These had been brought from Kuala Lumpur by my grandmother and
unfortunately in the intervening time (almost forty years) little is
left of those particular lights.

The lights were quite special, and seem to be unobtainable in Britain.
The design involved two immiscible liquids, probably water and coloured
oil.

Diagram:

                                  ^
                                 | |
                                 |-|
                                 |.|
                                 |.| <-- Coloured oil(?)
                                 |.|
                                 |-|
      Tube to hold liquids -->   | |
                                 | | 
                                 | |
                                 | | <-- Water(?)
                                 | |
                                 | |
                                 | |
                                 | |
                                 | |
                             ----| |----
                            /    ___    \  <-- Holder to keep bulb 
                            \   (   )   /      and tube in place
                             \   |H|   /
                  <---=============================---->            
                                  ^
                       ^          |
                       |          Flat topped bulb
            Electrical Wire


The way the lights worked was that the flat topped bulb heated up the
liquids in the tube that rested against it. The coloured oil(?) would
then bubble up through the water(?) by heat convection. Different lights
on the wire had different coloured oils.

These were by far much better than any of the christmas lights around
today (even allowing for the way that childhood memories improve with
age :-)

Now I realise that they were bought a long time ago, but for all I know,
these lights are very common over there. So if anyone knows of somewhere
I could contact to obtain a set then I, and some small children in our
family, would be very very grateful.

Thanks for your attention.

Mike Holmes
Edinburgh University
Scotland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: ** Creating Soc.Culture.Malaysia **
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:39:39 GMT

Many people have asked how to create this group, I apologize for
not explaining it right away.           

I have already volunteered to manage this process, which was
started when I made my first post.

The first step is to make an official "RFD soc.culture.malaysia"
posting to news.announce.newgroups and also cross-posted to any
other relevant newsgroups. Then what must happen is that for 30
days people on USENET must discuss, talk, argue, about if they 
think it is a good idea to have this group. They also must generally
agree on the purpose of the group and whether it should be moderated
or free for everyone.

This first step I already started with my original post. I will send
that post again after 1 week and every week (with changes that people
agree on) until the discussion period ends after 30 days.

Then the next step is the formal call for vote "CFV soc.culture.malaysia"
in which everyone who reads usenet may mail a vote "yes" or "no" if
they like the current proposal. The voting lasts for 2-3 weeks. If at
least 2/3 of the votes are "yes" and 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes
exist, then the soc.culture.malaysia will be officially created (if there
are no problems with the voting process). Otherwise we must wait another
6 months if there are not enough votes before we can try again.

With good luck and everything goes well, we can have a soc.culture.malaysia
in 2 months. It will not come sooner.

Wish us luck!!  :)



-chris barrera        barrera@mtu.edu  

Secrtary -  Malaysian Students Association
Michigan Technological University

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elee@athena.cs.uga.edu (Earnest Lee)
Subject: Request for information.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:07:20 GMT

Hello everybody!
I've got a problem here see whether any fellow countrymen could 
help me. I've been trying to contact a person in U.K, northern
Ireland, Belfast, Queen's college. But until now I still could
not get hold of him. So, anyone out there ada any tips , please 
contact me. Sekian sahaja. Terimakasih banyak-banyak!
		Malaysia Berjaya!
						Yang benar,
					              Lee
					
						
						
						
						
							
					         	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.stupidity
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes)
Subject: Re: Facts do not exist...
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:53:49 GMT

matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg  writes in soc.culture.asean
: : 
: : Facts need not be 100% accurate because there is no such thing.
: : At least we can say observations/ rumours as potential sources of facts.
: : To support an argument with facts( provided they are honestly quoted) is
: : better than just come to a conclusion, like the Malaysian chinese who
: : feel that they are 2nd class citizens without even quoting facts.
: : 	Even though the facts are not reliable, just quote them so that 
: : some other people can challenge them just like what I did.
: : 
"Facts need not be 100% accurate....."
This should be the motto of the entire INTERNET. A true classic.
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Human Resource Organization in Singapore aka EDB
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:11:05 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

(Denis Howe) writes:

> Just a few hours ago I saw a poster advertising an Singapore EDB
> recruitment fair in London, probably March 1993.  The last date for
> applying was December 1992 but they might still accept applications.
> The address is:
> 
> Singapore Economic Development Board
> Norfolk House
> 30 Charles II St.
> London SW1Y 4AE		Tel. +44 (71) 839 6688

The UK fair will be held in 3 cities: London, Manchester and Glasgow.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE !!!
From: thtee@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:18:33 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Hi all Netters;
 
	I just recieved a news from my parents. It says  that the illegal
Indonesian Workers involved in a crime which killed two residents in my home
town and raped a Malay girl which is just fifteen years old. These kind of 
crimes is not new for us any more, but why, the police or the government
 seems not taking actions that there are suppose to do.

	One thing that I have known for sure is that most of the illegal
Indonesians are Muslim. That probably is the reason for our government
to keep those people in our land. I don't believe on the explanation which was
given by the government says that our country  needs skilled and cheap workers.
If we really need some skilled workers, the best workers to keep, are not those
crazy Indonesians, but those refugees in Pulau Pilong(?) who I believe will
certainly more skillful than those Indonesian. 

           According to our new policy, any Illegal Indonesian Workers in
Malaysia who has stayed in Malaysia for more than tree days, can apply for
working permit and than go further to apply the red color Identity card.
 For those refugees in Pulau Pilong, they can only accepted by Malaysia 
unless they convert to Islam or in the other word, become a Muslim. 

	Can anybody tell me in what sence those Illegal Indonesian can
contribute to the development of our country. Most of employers using those
illegal Workers because  it is true that those worker are certainly 
cheaper than the local legal worker; but in the long term it seems does not
help because those illegal worker will bring all the have earn back to their to
their country. That means the currency of our country will flow out and later
affect our entire economy circle. Once our economy become weeker, the price of
those raw materia will certainlly drop. This means that those employer will not
save their money by employing those Illegal worker. In long term, they will
just loosing more than what they have save. 

	In addition, just look at what those illegal workers have done to 
our society. They become robber, killer, theif, and involve in all kinds of
crimes. Why we still want to keep them in our lands ? Just because there are
Muslim or because they are cheapper worker ? 

	PLEASE WAKE UP ALL MALAYSIANS !!! TELL OUR GOVERNMENT WE DO NOT WANT
THOSE ILLEGAL WORKERS ANY MORE. FOR YOUR OWN ADVANTAGES, OUR SOCIETY, AND OUR
LAND, PLEASE KICK THEM OUT.




TEE 
BY ANGER.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: ** Creating Soc.Culture.Malaysia **
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:42:56 GMT


Oh, I want to mention there is a post in news.announce.newgroups
already that explains this process in more detail, for those who
are interstested in reading.   

-chris barrera
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes)
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:53:19 GMT

othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
: Use your common sense.
: 
Somebody tell me he's joking. Please tell me he's joking.    		   

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:22:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.093146.19889@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY) writes:
>I was browsing through the Research Directory from NTU when I spotted the
>name "Othman Bin Ahmad" on one of the pages. For those of you netters
>who loathe/hate him very much, here's a little more about this guy whom we
>all love to hate:
>
>It says that Othman has a Msc Edin., Bsc City and also a CEng,
>specialising in microprocessors. He is a lecturer in NTU and also a
>part-time PhD student.
>
>Wonder where he had all the time in this world to write all that rubbish
>in the net and still manage with his work?
>Any answers fellow netters?
>

	I am pretty much indifferent to the turmoil happening in s.c.a
	for the past coupla months.

	Although I neither speak for or against Othman Ahmad, I do
	believe in personal privacy.

	Regardless of what was, will, or has been, exchanged between
	everyone else and Othman, Othman has every right to choose
	what to do with his time. Whether he earns an honest income or
	not, or whether he eats, drinks, sleeps or not, is his
	business and that of his superiors. Not yours, ours, or even
	his wife's concern.

	There is no need to publicly hark about his qualifications or
	other somewhat private info to an audience across the globe.
	It is no more irrelevent to s.c.a than the insults that are 
	included in some of the postings.

	In short and true to the "Keep It Simple Stupid" saying,
	
	MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS

	If his articles bore you or feel that they have insulted your
	intelligence, country, race, religion, etc, either respond in
	an intelligent manner or ignore them. No need for mud-slinging
	and smearing in s.c.a.



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| Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman          "A ship in the harbor is safe but that   |
| rezal@leland.stanford.edu          is not why ships are built for..."      |
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