HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Subject: Re: What do rail police handle?
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:27:19 EST


In Canada, railway police are "real" police. They obtain their
jurisdiction from the federal Railway Act, which says their
"constablewick" (jurisdiction) is railway property and within a
quarter-mile of railway property. I think that the CN Police also police
the government-owned Marine Atlantic ferries, which used to be part of
CN.

The railway police forces also have some responsibility for accident
prevention, printing posters and putting on displays to discourage
children from playing on railway tracks. (I have seen one poster showing
a snowmbile riding between railway tracks, apparently about to be hit by
a train.)

In Britain before 1948, the investor-owned railway companies had their
own police forces. At the time of nationalization, these railway police
forces were amalgamated into the British Transport Police, which today
serve British Rail and the London Underground. (Airport policing is now,
I think, handled by municipal police forces and probably by
non-uniformed airport security personnel.)

As for pay, I think that Canadian railway police are paid significantly
less than city, provincial or RCMP police officers. I don't know how the
pay of a British Transport Police officer compares to that of a regular
police officer in Britain.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:53:25 EST
From: <CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Routes
 <Bz5ypA.Ctv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec13.040503.13178@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>
 <1992Dec13.202945.8907@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>

   In a recent thread it was speculated about a potential Auto-Train route
 east-west. The December issue of Trains reported that as soon as Amtrak's
 current order of Superline equipment is completed it plans to re-equip the
 current Auto-Train with such equipment and launch another Auto-Train between
 Chicago and Flagstaff, Ariz. Reportedly, the service would be on the back of
 the Southwest Chief. If memory serves me correct, this is not a new idea.
 Amtrak talked about it a couple years ago, butnothing ever came of it,
 reportedly because of difficulties in loading cars near Chicago Union
 Station.
   It was also mentioned in the thread about a possible new train between
 Chicago and Florida. As a recent post indicated, the equipment does not now
 exist for such a train and it would be expensive to start. But there is still
 hope the train might run. Amtrak has said that if the states involved put up
 the money the train could be launched when the Superliner equipment becomes
 available.
    A report issued by Amtrak last year said the best route would be via
 Evansville, Ind., and Nashville. The only other route seriously studied was
 via the present route of the Cardinal to Cincinnati and thence south through
 Lexington, Ky. That route was rejected due to congestion near a freight yard
  in Chattanooga, Tenn.
   One thing is for certain. The train would not run over the Floridian's old
  routes. CSX is trying to abondon the track between Bloomington and Bedford,
 Ind. -- the last route of the Floridian. Portions of the old PC route in
  Indiana that went via Indianapolis were torn out years ago.
   By the way, Congress approved legislation this fall to enable the states
along the route of the proposed train to form some sort of compact to serve as
 a funding vehicle. The bill was sponsored by Rep. Frank McCloskey (D-Ind.)
 The Evansville area (which McCloskey represents) and the Atlanta area have
 been pushing hard for this train.

 craig sanders
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: schumann@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road Line Northwest
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:10:12 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Dec18.021725.3611@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN) writes:
>> SD (I think Mitchell).  Trackage beyond there is "Dakota Southern
> Railroad" to
>> somewheres around Stamford, and abandoned beyond there.  The CNW line
> into
>> Rapid City is also now a short line, but I don't remember its name.
> 
>  That would be Dakota Midland and Eastern. They run over what was the
> C&NW from Winona MN on the Mississippi to Rapid City SD

Close.  DME = Dakota, Minnesota, and Eastern.  They operate the 
ex-C&NW line from Winona (Minn.) to Rapid City (S. Dak.) and the line
from Waseca (Minn.) to Mason City (Iowa).  They also had been 
negotiating to purchase from C&NW the north-south line that runs 
through Rapid City.  This is the line that originates all that 
bennonite (sp?) traffic.  This deal may not come off, however.

I hope this helps.  I will be off the net for several weeks, so I 
won't be able to follow any followups.

Best wishes for a happy holiday season!
--
   Paul L. Schumann, Ph.D.           |  VAX:  IN%"schumann@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU"
   Professor of Management           |  Office Phone:       (507) 389-5349
   Mankato State University          |  Secretary's Phone:  (507) 389-2966
   Mankato, MN   56002-8400          |  Fax Number:         (507) 389-5497
From: 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NYS&W B40-8's
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:02:08 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Dec11.175754.5726@ulysses.att.com>, smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> How many B40-8's does the NYS&W have?  I had read that they purchased
> ~24 of them, and I've seen pictures of a few.  But the latest edition
> of the Kalmbach Diesel Roster book didn't list any.

Well, they had 20, numbered 4000-4019. But they don't have them anymore.
If you look in the Roster book, look under CSX, that's who has them now.
They are numbered 5930-5949 and most (if not all) have been repainted
into the new blue/yellow/gray scheme. I have seen a few, but I haven't seen
any still in the NYS&W scheme, although we rarely get those units here in 
Michigan.
Hope this helps,
Fred
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Axle Counters, etc (was Re: Talking Detectors)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 DEC 92 18:56:07    

In article <BzDIv6.A7t@hplabs.hpl.hp.com>, hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff
Hintzman) writes, in part:

>How do the "smart" detectors count the number of axles that go by?
>Photocells?  Laser beam?  Clink-clunk sound on rail joint? :-)

	US&S catalog i have has a "wheel detector" that is a trick metal
	detector.  Takes care indesign, because of the presence of the rail,
	but doable.  Other approaches are possible.  Internationally, some
	actually use an arm "twitched" by the wheel.

	As to listening, there are detectors that listen, for the squeal of
	stuck brakes and the grate of failing bearings.  Farily sophisticated
	stuff with embedded processing.  (It turns out that roller bearings can
	gor from normal temperature to locked_and_ripped_off_axle in under a
	mile.  This can get REAL messy, so anything to improve the odds is a
	win.)

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass 01775 USA		pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon Railway
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:19 GMT

In article <3d6K02l22f8i01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, jaz00@diag.amdahl.com (Joe Zuk) writes:
|> The train can only average 30 mph because the passager cars are on
|> friction bareings.

Huh?

|> They have 17 ex-souther pacific passager cars.  All of them are
|> Harriman style built by Pullman in 1923. They are all fully restored,
|> steam heated and very comfortable. These ex-SP cars all ran on the
|> San Jose-San Francisco runs, so you maybe able to find that car you
|> use to commute in.

Yes, I rode these cars on almost a daily basis during the late 70s and
early 80s while they were still being used on the Southern Pacific-run
San Francisco - San Jose commuter service.  They were regularly run at
70 mph then. 

So that's why I think someone fed you a line of B.S. when (I presume)
you were told that the cars were limited to 30 mph due to "friction
bearings".  There might be some other good reasons for keeping speed
to 30 mph or less, but as I said, I can personally attest that the
bearings on those cars allowed 70 mph running when I rode them.

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
UUCP: ...!ames!ntmtv!adrian
ARPA: ntmtv!adrian@ames.arc.nasa.gov
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Incident on Boston (MBTA) Commuter Rail
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:16:20 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>In article <RMURA.92Dec19203012@world.std.com> rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura)
>writes, in part:

>> >> The train seemingly had gone through a red signal at a dangerous point.
>> > 
>> > Why do you say that?

	Coupla things.
	1) Signal are commonly placed "in advance" of any point of actual
	conflict.  To slide by the signal is not necessarily a matter of
	imminent danger, tho not something to be encouraged, certainly.

	2) That line has a (now 3-5 year old) "new" signalling system,
	involving lots of datacomm and microprocessors and other hitechtoys.
	in the early days it was howlingly unreliable, and would failsafe
	by dumping the air.  (which is what may have happened here.)  Typically
	the reason was that the onboard cpu did not think its train was
	authorized for the next block, even tho there may have been no immediate
	danger.  Things have been better, lately, but....  (this system is
	NOT ATCS, tho it seems to be a lot like it...)

	The new system, and its "problems" have been more noticeable on Conrail
	trains, to my understanding.  I do not know if the MBTA trains carry the
	equipment. so the previous paragraph may be irrelavant.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass 01775 USA		pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Superliner cars
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:53:34 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

Does anybody know when the Superliner cars will start running on the
D.C.- Chicago route?
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: dewi@bnr.ca (Dewi Williams)
Subject: Re: Unusual tunnels?
Originator: dewi@bcrks78
Reply-To: dewi@bnr.ca (Dewi Williams)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:52:59 GMT


In article <3840007@hplred.HPL.HP.COM>, jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
> Dave Munroe writes:
> 
> > I saw part of an episode on PBS where several railroad tunnels in
> > Switzerland or northern Italy spiraled over on themselves, e.g.
> > after you enter the tunnel heading east, the tunnel climbs and
> > spirals counterclockwise, crosses over itself, and then you exit
> > heading south.  Anyone know of other interesting or unusual
> > tunnels like this?
> 
> I'm not aware of such tunnels in north America but they are common
> . . . . 
> . . . . 
> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com


Rogers Pass, Canadian Pacific Rly. (you can see several levels of track
from the transCandada Highway).

... Dewi
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: rmrin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (r.m.rickert)
Subject: Re: PATH (was Re: H&M )
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:56:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.180621.20406@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>In article <11085@disc.dla.mil> ioiab09@disc.dla.mil (william spollen) writes:
>
>>The H&M Terminal building was not demolished.  The structure remains.It was
>>gutted, rebuilt and refaced.  It sits on the NE corner of the World Trade 
>>Center Complex, across from the Post Office.
>
>Not so.  Hudson Terminal was on the west side of Church/Trinity and
>had almost direct access to the BMT Cortlandt St station.  Look at an
>old map if you don't believe me.
>
>--Joe Brennan
>

In fact, I remember you could walk from one to the other completely underground,a typical situation in the New York transportation systems.
-- 

Dick Rickert  AT&T Consumer Products Laboratory


Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: tarumph@uncc.edu (Timothy Allen Rumph)
Subject: Re: Switch Heaters?
Reply-To: tarumph@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:44:48 GMT

In article 1gh3o1INNog1@hp-col.col.hp.com, tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes:
>I'm sitting here reading notes at home and listening to the scanner.
>There's a discussion between a dispatcher in Albequerque, NM and a
>lineman regarding low/and or high power heaters for the switches at
>several local switch points for junctions just north of Colorado
>Springs, CO. 
>
>Do switches have heaters built into them to allow them to function in
>very cold weather? Currently here it's about -10 wind chill outside and
>about 1 foot of snow on the ground. I've never heard of heaters.  
>
>The lineman was informing the dispatcher that he thought they were set
>to "low power". The dispatcher could not read something on his CTC board
>correctly so he sent the lineman back out to check again.
>
>Am I missing something?
>
>Any information would be appreciated.
>
Switch heaters are uses to keep the moving parts of switches from heating up during the winter. Here in NC all the dispatcher controlled switches have an LP gas tank nearby to run the heaters. These are turned on and off manually by the signal maintainers. Hand thrown switchs in this area do not have them, but that may be different in other (i.e. colder) parts of the country.

Tim Rumph
tarumph@mosaic.uncc.edu
KD4OWS@W4BFB.#CLT.NC.USA.NA
(704)455-5259
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Unusual tunnels?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:42:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <62849@mimsy.umd.edu>, by mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate):
> An unusual tunnel of a different sort:
> 
> At Harpers Ferry, the B&O crosses from Maryland to W.Va. immediately after
> coming out of a tunnel (H.F. being the point where the Shenandoah is more or
> less forced into the Potomac as the latter breaks through a gap in the
> mountains).  The original bridge (whose piers are still there) aimed at the
> rail line heading down the west bank of the Shenandoah, and took a sharp
> turn at both ends of the bridge in order to head west/east on the mainline.
> (The arsenal of John Brown fame was in the way at the time.)

Brady's Photographic Sketchbook of the Civil War has an excellent photo of
this bridge.

There's a similar tunnel story at Dubuque, Iowa (rather, in Wisconson on
the other side of the Mississippi.

Dubuque is in a deep valley (by midwestern standards), and in that
particular part of the valley, the Mississippi is hard against the
limestone bluffs on the east side of the valley, making space for the
city of Dubuque on the west bottomland of the valley.

The Burlington mainline runs up the east riverbank, squeezed tightly
between the river and the limestone cliffs.

Puzzle?  How do you build a bridge across the river from the Burlington
to Dubuque?  There's no room for a rail yard on the East bank, and the
port of Dubuque was and still is a big commercial operation.

Answer, build the bridge straight across the river, then tunnel into
the cliff for a fairly sharp curve.  Here's an attempt at ASCII graphics
showing how it works:
                                      /     track in a small
                     track in   - - -/|------  tributary
                      tunnel  /    ////       \ valley
                                     ///////   \  /////
 |||||| line of cliffs |||||/||||||||||||||//   \    ////||||||
 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||////  \      //|||||
 ||||||||||||||||||||||||| T |||||||||||||||||||| \junction ||| Double
===========================|==================================== Track
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/riverbank/\-|-/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\   Mainline
                          -|-
    Mississippi           -|-
       River              -|- Bridge to Dubuque
                          -|-

Note that the bridge is a swing bridge, and that the swing span is
at the east bank because the deepest part of the river's channel
is right against the bluffs.  If the swing span were on the other
side of the river, a curved trestle could have been built out from
the junction into the river, but it isn't easy to put a curve on a
movable bridge span.

					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Railroads named "Pacific"?
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 03:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.201449.15632@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>	Here in North America (USA+Canada), there are/were several
>railroads with "Pacific" in their names:
>
>	Union Pacific
>	Central Pacific
>	Southern Pacific
>	Northern Pacific
>	Northwestern Pacific
>	Missouri Pacific
>	Canadian Pacific
>
 
Add 

Western Pacific
Chicago, Rock Island, and Pacific

to the list.


Wasn't the original name of the Milwaukee Road

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific?


Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: alanh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Alan Hironaka)
Subject: CARDS: Hockey Card Auction Update
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:41:23 GMT

This is my first hockey card auction.  Standard rules apply.  I will update 
bids daily except on weekends.  Weekends count as one day.  Bids must in 
increments of a minimum of $.50 for lots below $20 and $1.00 for lots listed 
$20 and above.  I will pay for all postage on any order above $10, otherwise 
$.50.  All cards listed below are in NrMt.

If you have any questions or comments, please e-mail them to me at 
alanh@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu.

Well, that's it.  Thanks to all who participated and happy holidays.

Alan


                                                    Current Bid
                                                        or
                                                     Min. Bid
                                                   --------------

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Lot #5  Chris Chelios                                $23.50
        #B-9  '91-'92   TEAM PINNACLE                Santos
                                                     GOING ONCE..
                                                     GOING TWICE...
                                                     SOLD!!!
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Lot #8  Brett Hull                                   $40.00
        #B-12 '91-'92   Score TEAM PINNACLE          Santos
        #AW3  '91-'92   Upper Deck Holo              GOING ONCE..
                                                     GOING TWICE...
                                                     SOLD!!!
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From: khanq@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Quang Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: cards : auction update
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:59:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1goft8INNsh
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mist.cs.orst.edu


Lot #1				Min. Bid 	High Bid
--------------------------------------------------------
				$15.00          $17.00 (Tom)
                                       ***** Going Once *******
(1) Tony Gwynn UD TW Best Hitter       ***** Going Twice ******
(3) Gwynn's Insert (Ultra Fleer)       ***** Sold **********
(1) Award Winner : Ozzie Smith
(1) Award Winner : Mark Langston
(2) Roger Clemens Insert (Fleer)
(1) Chad Curtis (All-Rookie)
(1) Pat Mahomes (All-Rookie)
(2) Jim McNamara (All-Rookie)
(1) Roberto Alomar (UF All-Star)
(1) Roberto Kelly (UF All-Star)
----------------------------------------
 Total of 14 cards


Lot #2				Min. Bid	High Bid
--------------------------------------------------------
(2) UD Heroes(Jerry West Header) $25.00



Lot #3				Min. Bid	High Bid
--------------------------------------------------------
			       $10.00	        $11.00 (Ron)
                                     ****** Going Once *****
 (1) Walter Payton Hero Checklist    ****** Going Twice *****
 (1) Jim Kelly Gold card '92-'93 Skybox  ***** Sold *****



Lot #4				Min. Bid 	High Bid
-------------------------------------------------------
Holograms:      		$11.00

 (2) Rison Hologram '92-'93 UD (Game Breaker)
 (2) Kelly Hologram '92-'93 Skybox
 (1) Taylor Hologram '92-'93 Skybox 
 (3) Marion Butts '91-'92 UD (Game Breaker)
 (3) Neal Anderson '91-92 UD (Game Breaker)
 (3) Marcus Allen '91-'92 UD (Game Breaker)


Lot #5				Min. Bid	High Bid
--------------------------------------------------------
UD '92-'93 Pro Bowl Insert:    $12.00          $16.00 (Mike)
   Thomas/Sanders                        ***** Going Once *****



Lot #6				Min. Bid	High Bid
--------------------------------------------------------
 Skybox '92-'93			$15.00          $20.00 (Alan)
 (2) Robinson Insert (Gold Admiral)           ****** Going Once *****
 (2) Magic Insert (Gold Magic)                ****** Going Twice *****
                                              ****** Sold ******

 Rules:
  - Same as my previous auctions
  - send all bids to "khanq@mist.cs.orst.edu"
  - Email me if you have any question
  - Good Luck!!!
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: elpferry@nuscc.nus.sg (Ferryman W Michael (Mr))
Subject: toothbrushes
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:25:23 GMT


Am I the only person in the world who collects toohbrushes?   I have some
modern and some antique.  Unused, of course.  'Tho I did see where Napoleon's
toohbrush was sold at action a few years back.

If they exist, I'd love to hear from other toohbrush collectors.
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: VBHARGAVA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Bhargava, Vipin k)
Subject: CARDS: Where did Hockey Beckett get prices?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:11:22 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

Maybe someone out there can answer this question for me?

Where did Beckett Hockey get it's 92/93 Upper Deck insert
prices from?  All-World cards for $8.00+? ($17 for the 
Gretzky?)  

Ridiculous if you ask me.  Two weeks ago, you could have 
picked any of the All-World up around here for a maximum
of $10.  Now it seems every dealer has them for $15 or so.

Vip

From: csm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Chris Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:47 GMT
Subject: Starting Lineups Wanted (LJ&DM)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.collecting

Hi Everyone,

I know that these Starting Lineup figures are rare, I've looked all
over the place here in Ft. Collins and can't find them. Would some
kind soul be willing to sell me one Larry Johnson and one Dikembe
Mutumbo Starting Lineup figure? I understand that I'll have to pay more
than they cost at the store - mail me your best prices and I'll
probably buy them.

Thanks,
Chris


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