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>I came up with a Masudaoid notion I want to run by you guys.

Wow, a notion named after me.  I'm touched?


>Proposition: that a relationship exists between the frequency spectrum of
>music and the socioeconomic status of its fans.

>Factoids: One of the things that distinguishes the various flavors of heavy
>metal is the frequency spectrum: yer Zeppelins, Sabbaths, etc. are all real
>boomy-- Zeppelin reinvented rock in part by pitching the singer above all the
>guitars, which was unheard of before that. Whereas the "progressive" metal is
>skewed toward the high end, and this is the stuff that appeals to list members
>as apposed to the proverbial gas station attendant. Taking that to extremes,
>we have groups like Yes, who are all high end, and a more elitist band never
>drew breath. In rap, they always wanna hear the bass-- which they say they
>also wanna do in more sophisticated suburban dance musics, but (a) the real
>interesting part is always up in the high end somewhere, some sampled shit--
>and (b) the bass becomes a virtual high end instrument through slap technique
>and other stuff that exaggerates the treble. What do you think?

Nah.

Mike.

(what?  were you expecting a long essay? sorry--too tired for that)
maybe tomorrow...
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:09:57 EST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More catagorization horror stories

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:44:28 EST David Malbuff said:
>Well, here we go. This is getting good.
>
>Yeah, I've heard Willie Mae Thornton's "Hound Dog" (written by Jerry
>Leiber and Mike Stoller, incidentally).  Elvis' version is better. It
>kicks. His version of "That's All Right Mama" is better than Arthur
>Crudup's version, too. As for "Mystery Train", I wouldn't want to choose

I can't agree here the dreaded word "marketing" will have to come into play
BTW I like Elvis (saw him yesterday ), but his singing was not great. As the
E-man himself said: I only have an ordinary voice, if i stop moving I'm dead.
I'd be back driving a truck...E.P.

>Nobody denies that rock & roll came up out of the blues and country music.
>That's basic stuff. What I'm saying is that to claim R&R is NOTHING but
>watered-down black music is to display one's ignorance. The 'black' part
>is correct; the 'watered-down' part is bullshit. Sam Phillips and the guys
>at Sun Records weren't looking for safe, acceptable pablum for docile white
>audiences. "If I could find a white man who could sing black, I'd make a

Sun records was on the "cutting-edge" in their heydey..Fabulous musicians who
had a great influence on a whole lot of music...Couldn't agree more (sorry)L.W.

>It's too easy to reduce this thing to black versus white. Two Jewish guys
>from Brooklyn wrote "Hound Dog". But a black blues singer recorded it. Is
>it a blues song or not? Was it not blues when they wrote it, but blues when
>she sang it? Did they write a blues song then, but was the stuff they wrote

IMHO the color of the writer of performer dosen't catagorize a song, nor whethe
r or not it's sad or happy.


>or the performers? Had any white person ever played guitar like Scotty
>Moore? Do his parts stand up next to Hubert Sumlin's? (Damn right they do.)
>Can _anyone_ listen to "Milkcow Blues Boogie" and not hear the anger and
>passion in Elvis' voice? His version leaves Bob Wills' in the dust.

As a fan of both Hubert and Scotty, i'll agree here. I'd say Elvis had more
soul than most other white performers (i didnt' bring up the colors)


>I'll take my Robert Johnson and Howlin' Wolf with a shot of Sun-era Elvis
>any day. They sound good together. Sometimes, they sound NECESSARY together.
>They are playing the same music.

I'll take more of the same with some Muddy on the side and put it up against
anything that's ever been recorded. They may not have been technical wizards
but they got their point across with their 3 chords better than 99% of todays
techno wizards......L. W.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:08:26 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Ilia's a cappella request (Banana Love)

Ilia asked me to post the lyrics to Banana Love, complete with
"exclamations", so here goes...

"Banana Love" as performed by The Bobs

Huck Like Mocha (chica!)
Huck Like Mocha (chica?)
Huck Like Mocha (chica.)
Huck Like Mocha (chica!)

Bahm Bah Doop Dahm (Onk Bonk)
Bahm Bah Doop Dahm (Onk Bonk)
Bahm Bah Doop Dahm (Onk Bonk)
Bahm Bah Doop Dahm (Onk Bonk)

I wanna beat my breast like an ape man
I don't wanna comb my hair
Strip down to the waist and up to the waist
And forget about the underwear
A-Huck-a-luck-a-huck-a-luck-a muck muck
That's the way I wanna talk
So come on baby, get down on all fours
Let's walk, walk, walk

I'm gonna take you to my bungalow
Out in the jungalow
We gonna make banana love
We singin' high C
Up in the swingin' tree
When we make banana love

Huck like mochaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Rum-gum-bunga siki longo
Riki-tiki-tookey-tookey-bongo
Rum-gum bunga booka-booka bazooka
Way down in the congo

I'm gonna take you to my bungalow
Out in the jungalow
We gonna make banana love
We singin' high C
Up in the swingin tree
When we make banana love

I'm gonna take you to the jungle
Make banana love

Huck Like Mocha (chica!)
Huck Like Mocha (chica?)
Huck Like Mocha (chica.)
Huck Like Mocha (chica!)

Banana-nana-nana oh! banana
Banana-nana-nana oh! banana
Banana-nana-nana ooh! banana
Banana-nana-nana ooh! banana!

Hucka! hucka! hucka! hucka!
Mucka! mucka! mucka! mucka!
Hucka! Hucka! Mucka! Mucka!
Huck-ah-Muck-ah!

Bahm Bah Doop Dahm (Onk Bonk) (eeeeeeee)
Bahm Bah Doop Dahm (Onk Bonk)

(8va) I wanna beat my breast like an ape man
I don't wanna comb my hair
Strip down to the waist and up to the waist
And forget about the underweaaaaaaaaar
A-Huck-a-luck-a-huck-a-luck-a muck muck
That's the way I wanna talk
So come on baby, get down on all fours
Let's walk, walk, walk

I'm gonna take you to my bungalow
Out in the jungalow
We gonna make banana love
We singin' high C
Up in the swingin' tree
When we make banana love

I'm gonna take you to my bungalow
Out in the jungalow
And there's a high C
Up in the swingin' tree

Oh Woh Oh Woh
Eee-ee-ee-ee (woo-hah-hah-woo-hah-hah-hah)
Oh Woh Oh Woh
Eee-ee-ee-ee (mmbmbmlbmmblhahmlmmahhamlmlml)
Oh Woh Oh Woh
Eee-ee-ee-ee (mlmmmlmbbbommlmlmbmbmmmmbombom)
Oh Woh Oh Woh
Eee-ee-ee-ee!!!!

That wasn't easy! I hope you appreciate it.....:-)
BTW- Ilia - did you ever review my tapes?

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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>On a related track: what I always find fascinating is how some composers are
>able to use non-conventional time-signatures and make them sound like e.g. a
>straight 4/4.  I mean: they use strange signatures in a non-obvious way.
>E.g. Brubeck's "Take Five" has a very nice swing and it wouldn't be a problem
>to dance to it, even though it's not 3/4, 4/4 or 6/8.  Same holds for
>"Everything's allright" (from Jesus Christ Superstar) which is also 5/4
>but sounds very "normal" - i.e. "4/4-ish".

I know what you're talking about.  When I was in high school, the band
did a march in 5/4...sounded perfectly natural, though I'm glad we didn't
actually have to march to it.  (I reckoned I'd need two and a half feet if
we did.)  Unfortunately, I don't remember the title, which brings me to
my next topic (also based on ignorance and 5/4)....

Last year, I heard an arrangement of Desmond's _Take Five_ that was in
4/4 time...it sounded completely bizarre, and seemed like a completely
strange concept.  (It's like if someone decided to rewrite "Saint Louis
Blues" in 3/4.)  Anyone have any idea where I could have heard this?

Waiting eagerly for a response,
jwgh
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:02:00 CST
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Subject:      enya

   For all the people included in this list,I am new and I read all
   your messages but until today , I have never sent any messages.

   Today I need your Help.

    I like so much the Enya music.

   Here in Mexico is possible to buy three CD , but I knew that she
   has more.


   The CD'S are
   A ble One " Shepperd Moons"
   A Red One  "water marks"
   And a white or black one "The Celtas"

   Anybody of you knows about  her music ?
   Has Enya More CD's ?

   I think the answer to the second question is yes,but I amnot
   sure.

    Could any of you help me ?

   Thanks in advanced


    Ricardo
    vtra0@itesocci.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:16:38 EST
From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TV Bands

>
> Watching Andy Griffith (alltime favorite) and the Darlings were on there
> playing and singing. I started thinking (that's twice in 1 week) i believe
> the Darling's were probally the best TV band, are there any others you
> can think of...........L.W.
>


C'mon, kids, since it is a universal truth that most TV bands are made up of
mostly cheese why not disscuss which TV band is the cheesiest. Maybe it's the
Bradys (with "It's Time to Change") or Josie and the pussycats. After all we
all really know that the undisputible BEST TV band would have to be that one on
the Muppet Show, y'know the one Animal played the drums for.
                                        -Brodie
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From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: phil wannabee

>Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Elvis Costello.
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From:         Robert Garret Gruhn <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject: Re: phil wannabee

 >Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)


Hmmm...probably Geroge and Ira Gershwin, Leonard Cohen, and Johnette
Napolitano...
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:43:00 EST
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Subject:      "Cubby"'s Alternative

>From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL

>"CUBBY" SEZ:

>>I mostly listen to what people deem "Alternative" (i.e. Smiths, Concrete
>>Blonde, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, etc...)

>WHAT people deem them "Alternative"?  Tell us WHAT that means!

Well, that's what the campus FM station plays, and they bill themselves
as "East Lansing's Alternative radio station".  The sad thing is they
are the closest thing we have to one.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied

>>
>>I would nominate the Band's second album as a masterpiece, probably the
>>best album in rock & roll history.
>
>Would this be "The Big Pink" album..............L.W.

Nope, the brown one, self-titled _The Band_. _Big Pink_ is pretty darn good,
too, but "masterpiece", not quite.

David
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:14:44 EST
From:         Mike Siciliano <AXG2SJU@SJUMUSIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Need address, respond to ME ONLY, not list...

Hi Allmusicers...


I'd sub, but my mailbox can't take the heat..

Someone please send me the address for the distribution of the
"Musical List of Lists".  (And an ftp site for back issues if
possible)

Much gratitude..

Mike

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:40:58 EST
From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Take-home exam
              Jan 26, 93 10:41 am

>
> >Les Miz & Phantom of the Opera? "Successful" syntheses of pop &
> >CLASSICAL? Lord, my chains are heavy; do I have to treat the poor
> >list to another adjective-studded screech about what an obscene
 >hack Andrew Lloyd Webber is? Please, Tim, don't bring this ugly
> >farago on us all again..
> >Michael
>
 Michael,
    Please do treat us to another speach on this subject. I'm pretty new here
and would be very interested to hear this.
                                -Brodie
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From:         Stacy <SLS2821@SAE.TOWSON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Skinny Puppy

Hey,

Well, I used to get a publication from NETTWERK productions, Skinny Puppy's
label, and Last Rights was supposed to be the last album off the Nettwerk
label...  I hope they release more on another label or still on Nettwerk.

A friend of Stacy's (Since she doesn't listen to Skinny Puppy and I do, but
have a subscription to the Listserv, YET...)

Bob Reck

Dedicated Skinny Puppy Listener...

(That should have been, "but DON'T have a subscription...", sorry!)
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In article <ALLMUSIC%93012616302688@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
writes:
>Did you ever get a listen to that Miles CD from November of 1967 in Paris?
>I'm submitting the "Round Midnight" from that CD for the newest allmusic
>compilation.

>And what did you think of the videotape I sent you? The one of Miles live
>in '66, '67, and '68?

those tapes are the greatest.  i just wish the quality was better, but
you can't have everything.  i don't think i heard the 67 paris sets.
i have the one that is later, i think in 69, with jack, chick, wayne,
and dave.

>I never did get back to you about taping some more Miles for me; I really
>should. Bought Big Fun the other day and simply love side 3, the one that
>sounds like Jack Johnson's first cousin. What other Miles stuff can I get
>that sounds like JJ? I've got In A Silent Way, and it's like a mellow JJ.
>What about the second album of Directions? I've heard the first album, but
>the library's copy was missing the second one. If you have Directions, I'd
>sure love a copy of that. I'm really starting to get into the late 60's
>early 70's Miles stuff more. (With the exception of Bitches Brew which I
>still can't listen to very much, but haven't listened to it in months, so I
>should really try again.)

there isn't that much, i.e. with the bare bones quartet.  about all you
can do is make sure you have Water Babies, Circle In The Round, and
Directions.  I don't know what side Ascent is, but that is a beautiful
ballad.  The rest of the stuff is quite nice.  You know it is from the
Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Live-eviL period, but it isn't anything like
any of that.  I don't have it on vinyl,
I had a friend of mine send me a cassette dub when I was still in
Europe.  So I never bought it on vinyl, and I am hoping they put it out
on CD like they have with Circle In The Round.  I haven't seen that even
as an import, although I am certain it exists.  It has a tune called
Willie Nelson, the second of the 3 Miles' Nelsons.  Can you name the
other two?

Jeff
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Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:46:53 GMT
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  Does anyone here have any pointers for information on Japanese
releases (specifically unauthorized releases where the artists see
no royalties)?  I'm curious as to how these Japanese record companies
manage to avoid the wrath of BMI, ACSAP and other such organizations.
Are they somehow exempt from international copyright laws?  I know
that the RIAA was in a tizzy over the numerous CD rental stores in
Japan, but that's nothing compared to releasing whole albums of 
material by an artist without paying any royalties whatsoever. How
are they getting away with this?

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Russ's voice
              28 Jan 1993 09:18:32 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:18:32 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>Marsha,
>   Thanks for the support, but I do sing now.  In fact, I sing about half
>of our songs.  Anyway, my point was that I believe I would be a much better
>singer if I hadn't been disuaded from singing for those 20 years.  It irks
>me to think how much easier a time I'd have of it if I had started singing
>15 years ago when I picked up the guitar, rather than 3 years ago purely
>by default (I knew the words).

A while back i mentioned that i was gonna try singing, i still really haven't
and we still don't have an adequate singer, I mentioned i would try this Sat
and it was agreed that i don't have the personality to do sing. It was brought
up that i'm too laid-back, i just like to stay out of the way , sit back and
play, well i guess they're right. Hell i can't sing anyway...L.W.
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Subject:      TV Bands

>Watching Andy Griffith (alltime favorite) and the Darlings were on there
>playing and singing. I started thinking (that's twice in 1 week) i believe
>the Darling's were probally the best TV band, are there any others you
>can think of...........L.W.

The Monkees were the best TV band.  Hands down.  ;)
Actually, I read that Carol Kaye did a lot of their basswork
and she's a bass beast.  Although many of their songs were
quite cheeseball bubblegum, songs like "The Door into Summer"
and "Daily Nightly" had some cool basslines in them, not to
mention some neat arrangements, along with Moog synth (in 1967!)
on the latter.  After _Pisces Aquarius Capricorn and Jones_ (1967)
I think they went downhill.  Their earlier stuff was the stuff
I grew up with.  TV generation kid.

Carol Kaye also did the bass stuff on the Brady Bunch theme, if
anyone is interested...

A close second would probably be the Banana Splits (fa la la, lala la la) ;)

I generally despise made-for-TV bands.

Mike.


    TV Bands                                                                74
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: most bizarre combination of music and scenario
              16 Jan 1993 12:50:48 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.U CHICAGO.EDU>

On Sat, 16 Jan 1993 12:50:48 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>
>I'm curious - What is the strangest (conventional - not aleatoric or
>something - I'm referring to numbers here) time signature that you've ever
>seen / heard in a piece of music? What was your experience with it like?
>Was it hell to perform, if you did so, or easier than it looked?
>
Umm. . . probably 3/64 in a piece by Telemann.  It's the "Gulliver" suite.
Gets down to 256th notes at one point.  It's a joke, of course, but still.
The strangest that I've played was 7/4.  Strangest subdivision is "Blue Rondo
a la Turk":  9/8 subdivided 2/2/2/3 instead of 3/3/3.  There's also several
early music markings that are fairly strange to look at:  a backwards cut time
mark, meaning half of cut time; a circle with a dot in it, etc.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:13:00 CST
From:         Buck-Naked <TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET>
Subject:      jazz suggestions....

Howdy,
   I'm a newbie and I'm want to get into jazz, but all I listen to is
alternative music so does anybody have any good suggestions?

*  *  **  *****   *  *  **  *****   *  *  **  *****   *  *  **  *****  *
** * *  *   *     ** * *  *   *     ** * *  *   *     ** * *  *   *    *
* ** *  *   *     * ** *  *   *     * ** *  *   *     * ** *  *   *
*  *  **    *     *  *  **    *     *  *  **    *     *  *  **    *    *

   What I really need are some suggestions as to where to go from here.
See, I get interested in one artist (be it Hendrix back in high school,
Pink Floyd from my early college days, Sun Ra from a couple years ago, or
Miles Davis for the past year or two) and I go out and buy anything and
everything they ever did, or at least everything from my favorite period
in their career. As a result, this is what I know and like best, but it's
about all I know:

Trumpet: Miles, Lee Morgan, Wynton Marsalis, Wallace Roney, Don Cherry,
         Pops, Michael Ray, and Dizzy- (haven't gotten into Diz)
Sax:     Shorter, Trane, Roland Kirk, Eric Dolphy, Bird, Dexter Gordon,
         Ornette, Sonny Rollins- (also know, but haven't gotten into)
Keys:    Sun Ra, Herbie, Chick, Duke, Carla Bley, McCoy Tyner
Guitar:  Mclaughlan, Metheney, Frizzel
Bass:    Ron Carter, Mingus- (I guess, but haven't gotten into him either)
Drums:   Not big into drummers, at least not as a primary interest....
Vocal:   Not really into vocal jazz, sorry....

Lord, that's about all my brain can think of at 8:30am. Where do I go from
here? I want to expand my jazz interests, especially in the brass, winds,
and keys areas. It would be simple to just ask Jeff Beer for a few top-10
lists again, which I may well do. I'd just peel off those I already knew
and go for the rest.
                        How about it?
                                         Tom "wanting to go broke" Buck
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