HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aaron@atlantis.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Utopiae (Was: Amanda wants to be a Kesh)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:20:06 GMT
Reply-To: aaron%atlantis@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Alfvaen thinks to himself(as opposed to thinking to other people?  Yeah,
right.)for a while, and then says, "I can't think of any utopia offhand that
would satisfy me completely, so I'll have to go for extra credit.  I mean, a
Utopia for me, by my current conception, would have to have all the things I
like to do now, right?  So let's postulate the following:

"Usenet access for everybody.  Since this is a utopia, we can even postulate
either that everybody is worthwhile to talk to, or that those that aren't are
given lesser degrees of access.  But this is utopia.  Everybody is good to talk
to.  Mind you, this can all be relative, so that everybody in talk.bizarre is a
good contribute to talk.bizarre, which is very different from one to alt.
callahans.  But that's minor details.

"Nobody needs to work if they don't want to.  Many people do like to work, or
don't know anything else to do, and they can work at whatever they want to do.
But some people, like me, would rather just mess around all day with reading
and/or writing, news reading, making databases at home, needlepoint, baking, or
whatever.  There should be support for any kind of creative endeavour, so that
anyone could get a book published, or a story, or a TV show or movie shown to 
whoever will watch it.  In a non-ideal world, this would mean a lot of chaff,
but this is utopia...

"Education should be available in any area anyone wants.  'Nuff said, really.
I guess that any books should be available for anyone to read, as well...which
follows from the previous paragraph as well.  Ditto for music.

"Socially, there should be no prejudice for skin colour, hair colour, sexual
preference, religious preference, etc.  I'd also have to provide that all
religions would respect other religions, and not try to force their beliefs on
anyone else.

"Politically?  My favourite political system is very utopian--viz, that the
person who is best able to run a given political setup should do it.  We just
need to devise the appropriate aptitude tests, and of course, make sure the
person is willing to do it.  None of this power-grubbing, or the current
system, which IMHO reduces to 'the person who is best able to get elected
President(or whatever)will become President' rather than 'the person who will
do the best job as President will become President'.

"And everyone will live in peace and harmony.  Art may become completely boring
as a result, though...maybe we should still have some conflict.  I'm not
decided on that aspect of things..."

-- 
---Alfvaen(Still looking for "October's Baby")
"I never gave it a thought, I never thought I should think                       I would go along with anyone and anything"  --Rupert Hine
Current Album--Jean-Jacques Goldman:Entre Gris Clair Et Gris Fonce'
Current Read--Michael Coney:Charisma
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: will it work?????
From: Jack.Crow@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (David Perry)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:00:33 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA
Keywords: who looks at keywords anyway?
Summary: who reads summaries anyway?
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Special Limited Offer!!!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:31:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <JBrandt-131292123000@aaa.uoregon.edu> JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Thyra) writes:
>"GOOD NEWS! It looks like Phoenix may regain custody of her daughter,
>Devon, within the next two weeks, and her son a few months from now once
>his treatment schedule is worked out. She will relay a post soon with the
>details."

"Ahh, sigh.. what a semester ( or year, depending on when you came in. )
Deaths, departures, births, returns, good news and bad news, flames..
aye, I propose a toast! To .. the Spirit of Callahans, where here, one
knows how fortunate is friendship, how rich is life, and how beautiful
people really are! Let us toast with enough drink to drown
the world, and with a cry that every soul through Crosstime will hear!"

!!! HIP-HIP-HOORAY !!!

C+ throws his Sangria into the fireplace, to a resounding

<< CRASH!!!! >>>

C+

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Arrival of a Stranger
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:06:51 GMT

>    "Hello.  My name is Galan and this is my faithful pet Greywolf.  We have 
>heard many things about this place in our travels and decided to come see it 
>for ourselves."  He pats the wolf lovingly on the head.  "I do hope that we're
>not intruding." 

   "No problem. Not all of us are Human here. There are { lets see if i can
 remember [ inside joke... ] } elves, a balrog, a dalek, a doctor, some
 toons, a starship, several robots and mechanicals, a few humans, two
 sprites, bear, part of a mandelbrot, a Kzin, deckers, dragons, dragon
 riders, Archteryx, other birds, lets see whom else, kitten, SEA, a Golden
 Gryphon, Gypsy Lady Rowen, a Boss Troll, i know i'm leaving some beings
 out... But thats all i can remember !!" DJ. :-)

-- 
         Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                   Video. Cher: Love and Understanding.
From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: It's a girl!
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:52:40 GMT

>Soprano jumps up and heads for the bar.  Placing a rather worn dollar bill
>on it, she gets a hot buttered rum from Mike and approaches the chalk line.
>
>"To Jennifer Rhiannon McNamara and her parents:  may your lives be filled
>with wonder!"
>
>>>>crash<<<

<crash!>  Gecko-boy.  

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Mike Wasson                     | "It could be you. It's a sky-blue sky. 
mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu  | Satelites are out tonight."  
University of Hawai'i           |                          (Laurie Anderson)
      -and-                     | "Live for today, scheme for tomorrow!"
Fat Messiah Games               |                         (my friend Sheryl)
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Garlic [Re: prejudice (and hot soup) ]
Summary: Some change of subject, huh?
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:31:07 GMT

>[Liralen] coughs and hacks a bit, and grins at Gecko-boy.  After the cough she
>chuckles and takes the bowl and happily breaths in the steam.  She puts the
>bowl down on a table and pulls out an old, faded, blue handkerchief and 
>blows her nose clear.  Then she sits down and breaths deep.  "Wow." she
>says, "NOW I can smell the garlic."

Danger Mouse wanders over, attracted by the aroma of the garlic bread.
"Looks neat, Gecko-boy, mind if I have some? Although IMHO, if Liralen
had to blow her nose in order to smell the garlic, then it could
probably use some more of the stuff...."

- Danger Mouse.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@atlantis.uucp
Subject: Feed
Reply-To: aaron%atlantis@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:53:25 GMT

Alfvaen sighs, mumbling to himself once again, "Beggars can't be choosers..."
Then, in a louder voice, he says, "Well, it seems that the feed here is a bit
strange.  I didn't think it would be, since it's direct from the U. of A. feed,
which I almost always found satisfactory, but...today, on the 12th, I haven't
seen anything from later than the 10th which I didn't post myself.  What's
more, I just got a batch of 8 new posts--from Liralen, in Seattle, from the
9th.  So if I seem to be a bit out of it, that's why.

"It's far, far, far, infinitely, better than nothing.

"And hey--even if they don't have nethack here, they at least have moria, or
so I discovered when I saw it another user's process.  I'll have to try that
sometime.

"I'm also sad that I won't be able to make my planned return to HoloMUCK, no
longer being on the Internet...ah, well.  Later, perhaps.  Snark, maybe you
can move my house into storage or something...but you can keep the Art Museum
if you want."

-- 
---Alfvaen(Still looking for "October's Baby")
"Well the end of the tunnel, it never came up
 'Til I came to the end of the line."  --John Hiatt
Current Album--The Notting Hillbilles:Missing...Presumed Having A Good Time
From: ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The pair
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:06:33 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Splash!) writes:

> ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:
> 
> >The shorter woman suddenly grins and says, "I knew 
> >we'd find the place.  Hi, all!  My name is Amanda."  She gestures to her 
> >side, "This is Ekho, a friend of mine," Ekho nods reservedly at the room. 
> 
> Hi Amanda and Ekho!  I'm Splash, one of the (newish) regulars, from
> Western Australia.  Welcome to the Place ... I would have posted a welcome
> earlier, but I thought I'd wait for your real arrival  (net-lag, y'see). 
> Mike, a Coca-Cola with Creme soda and one Adrenalin and Soma (do you
> actually stock that?  I might try one later ;-)  ).  A welcome hug?

  Amanda makes her way through the crowd... HUG Splash!  Ekho sneaks up 
from behind Amanda and drags Splash over to the hot tub... SPLASH Splash! 
"What'll you have?" inquires Ekho with a rather nasty grin.

             Yours in Time and Space
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Newbies on the March
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:52:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: seurat.wag.caltech.edu

Michael Schiffer says:
>I don't require that everything in my life be made rational (if I did, I
>wouldn't be a citizen of the last non-metric country in the world :-) )

Abner smiles.  "After many years of being a chemist and a physicist, I've
become less and less able to use the English system (even the English don't
use it anymore!) ...  The only English units I can grasp mentally are inches
and feet ...  and I prefer centimeters and meters!  It's really bad when you
have to convert weights to metric in your head ..."
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jason)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Dalek has entered the building
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:26:25 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec14.222954.18495@husc3.harvard.edu>,
djsnyder@husc10.harvard.edu (David Snyder) wrote:
> 
> In article <92349.122250PJCHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PJCHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Philip J. Comins) writes:
> >
> >    Philip approaches the box and Kitten, the small hint of a smile on his
> >face. "My dear Kitten," Philip chuckles, "as everyone knows, you can't pet a
> >Dalek, or jump into his lap (he has no lap to jump into, only mutated body
> >parts. No offense, pal ...)  If you want to make him happy, let's plug him
> >into an electronic pleasure stimulator. By the way, friend Dalek, you'll have
> >to remove that weapon-arm of yours if you want to stay here for any length of
> >time.
> 
> The Dalek will be more than happy to remove his weapon arm, but will require
> some assistance as his other manipulator isn't up to the task.
> However, as having only his suction arm and eye stalk makes him feel
> unbalanced, he will require a new appendage.  He kindly (kindly for a 
> Dalek that is) asks for suggestions that fit the spirit of the Place.
> 
> The Dalek

Jason, one of several resident Deckers in the place, smiles. "Well, he
could always get an arm equipped to shoot peanuts at punsters. I'm sure
Robbie could use a backup team member, with all the parnomasiacs we have in
this place."

"Actually Dalek, when you make up your mind, I'd be glad to help you with
the modifications. I've picked up more than a bit of Robotics skills along
the way, and I'm good with tools. E-Mail me and we'll come up with an
appropriate unveiling for your new limb."

Jason
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Back again, for a while
Reply-To: "Brandon S. Allbery" <kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org>
Organization: KF*'s NutHouse
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:44:21 GMT

On 10 Dec 92 00:09:53 GMT, "Splash!" <keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
> >"welcome back wales....and i read about your dinner...i am green with
> >envy"  (bet you guys have never seen a green kitten before)
> 
> Splash giggles ... "Yes, but it didn't look very well."

How soon we forget... anyone else here remember the Green Tiger and the
green tiger kittens?

++Brandon
-- 
--
Brandon S. Allbery		NOTE NEW ADDRESS!!! --> kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org
From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Hats
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:44:21 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:

> 
> 	"I'm terrified of losing mine, being absent minded myself,
> because they're hard to find around here.  The one I have I got on a
> trip to Montreal, after looking around for months.  If I lose it, I'm
> probably without a black hat at least until I can go shopping in
> Chicago, as I don't know of anyplace to look in the Detroit area-- and
> in Chicago they're expensive.  Though not as expensive as Montreal if
> you count the gas it takes to get there.  :-)   (Not to mention those
> taxes!  All Canadians here have my eternal sympathies for the GST and
> the gas tax and the restaurant tax and the provincial tax and...)
> 
From his table, a bleary eye Rider lift it's head a bit and aswer a bit
sleepily...
"Thanks for the Sympathies, your right about those $%&@#^% taxes! But to
make things even worst sice this summer their a new provincial taxe that
goes on TOP of the GST!! That comes to an average of 15.56% TAXES! YACH!

BTW, since on this tread, depending on the weather I have two hat, a
black fedora that has a small gray leather band, for nice and not
ear-freezing weather, and for that kind of weather, I have an old
mailman hat (Thanks to my father...) of the, some people say, russian
style. I don't look good in it, but he! My ears and head are more
inportant than what I look!!

HO yeahm the reason I followed Micheal post;
Micheal, if ever you loose that hat of yours, just be sure to have a
picture of it, and we can probably arrange somethig to save you all the
gas expenses. It's always a pleasure to help a fellow of the Place!"

Whit that, Rider takes a last sip of his cup, wich contains some
Neo-Citran (yep... a cold his on the way, what else when it was -8
celciius this morning and now it's RAINING!!???!!!!!) and wave good
night to all...



>       "Every so often, my friends make noises about getting me a
> sword-stick.  As a devotee of G.K. Chesterton, if nothing else, the
> idea appeals to me, though it's probably safer for me and everyone if
> I don't go around swinging long pieces of sharpened metal.  And, of
> course, they're illegal to carry (though not to own) in a lot of
> states, my own included.  (Doubly so: blade more than three inches
> long and a concealed weapon to boot.  Not the sort of thing to forget
> about and bring to the airport.  :-) )"
> 
> -- 
> Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
> mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
> mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)

.sig under construction... Might be long because lack of idea?
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| Serge Ayotte                              rider@geloser.login.qc.ca |
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: korz@cs.columbia.edu (Frederick Korz)
Subject: Re: Humor (was prejudice)
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:39:26 GMT

In article <Dec14.000115.66358@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

[much deletia of many who have gone before us about humor and puns]

and closes:
>
>Big Al.  Who as been spotted in a 7-11 in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

"What, dappling with the language?"

	frood, (wearing a lunatic fringe)
From: keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Splash!)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The pair
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:37:31 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au

ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:


>The shorter woman suddenly grins and says, "I knew 
>we'd find the place.  Hi, all!  My name is Amanda."  She gestures to her 
>side, "This is Ekho, a friend of mine," Ekho nods reservedly at the room. 

Hi Amanda and Ekho!  I'm Splash, one of the (newish) regulars, from
Western Australia.  Welcome to the Place ... I would have posted a welcome
earlier, but I thought I'd wait for your real arrival  (net-lag, y'see). 
Mike, a Coca-Cola with Creme soda and one Adrenalin and Soma (do you
actually stock that?  I might try one later ;-)  ).  A welcome hug?

Splash!

--
		Splash!		*To love is to LIVE!*
   (aka Mike van Keulen -- e-mail: keulen@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au)
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Quantum (and untutored Zen) and Beliefs (was Re: Absolutes)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:32:35 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec10.223721.4614@data-io.com>, li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
>The existance or inexistance of God is one of those questions.  By some
>attitudes it *must* be true or it *must* be false, it cannot be both.  By
>my argument, since it cannot be proven, then both those who believe it is
>true are as valid as those who believe it is false.  In essense, each
>belief is as true as the other.

I don't agree with your substitution of "true" for "valid."  I've just flipped
a coin, and haven't checked to see which way it somes up.  Now, were I to
believe it came up heads, and you were to believe it came up tails (rather than
both of us doing the reasonable thing and simply admitting that we don't know),
both beliefs would be invalid, in that there's no basis for either of them.  In
that sense, they'd both be equally valid.  However, one of them would be true,
while  the other would not.
From: ice9@hotcity.COM (Jeremy Dragt)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: AAARRRRGGGGHHH 2
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:54:32 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <Bz6KsF.KtH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
(Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>
>
>>seconds latter the doors burst open again as Avec  Chapeau burst back into
the
>>bar screeching to a halt before Kitten, Takeing paws in hand Avec says in a
>>voice as clam and quite as moonlight "I am sorry Kitten but it had been so
long
>
>>since I have been away that I mistakenly credited didi-sprite when only you
>>responded to me and therefore might remember me.  I beg your forgiveness. 
>>Pardon me but I have final accademic matters to attend."  and witha courtly
bow
>
>>he runs screaming for the door, arms flailing. leaving a second layer of two
>>year tennie smoke about the room.
>
>
>
>"s'allright...i don't mind being confused with the good deed...but SHE
>sounds like audrey hepburn in "breakfast at tiffanies"  and i sort of
>squeak... "  kitten is STILL delighted to see avec back in the
>Place...and wishes him luck on his academic matters...
>--
>***************************************************************************
>conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
>"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
>                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu

>"love is the wild card of existance"
>                          rita mae brown
>

Ah, kitten just because you squeak instead of being blessed with an Audrey
Hepburn purr does not mean you are not worthy of the most courtious and solemn
apologe.  It is my view that all cats, even the most playful kitten has a regal
air which predisposes me to a more formal ettiquette.  however if you find that
this is unappropriate I happen to have on my person a bazzoka full of cheez-wiz
that I have been dying to try out.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Cyber (was Introduction was Eh?)
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:32:00 GMT

In article <1gotoiINN2cl@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky) writes:

>Consider:  A hypersphere is represented (unless I've misremembered what is
>meant by the term "hypersphere") by the equation:
>	x^2 + y^2 + z^2 + w^2 <= R^2
>Since its (hyper)speherically symmetric, we can investigate all possible cross
>sections simply by considering what happens if we fix the value of w at
>something between the 0 and the radius of the hypersphere.  This gives us the
>equation:
>	x^2 + y^2 + z^2 <= R^2 - w^2
>which is a sphere of radius sqrt(R^2 - w^2).  Maybe I'm missing something, but
>I don't see any way to get a torus as a cross section.  Or maybe by "cross
>section" you meant the intersection of a hypersphere with a plane, rather than
>the intersection of a hypersphere with a three-space?

	"Hmm... but wouldn't an intersection of a hypersphere with a
plane be a circle?  Or has my mathematical intuition decayed even more
than I feared?

	"The latter wouldn't surprise me any more, though there was a
time when I considered myself reasonably mathematically adept, and a
time after that when I at least considered myself pretty good for a
layman.  (Even at the U of Chicago, where _everyone_ has to take
calculus, there aren't many history majors who've taken group theory.
:-) ) Recently, though, I've tried to call on basic middle school/high
school type math skills and had the opportunity to marvel at how much
they've atrophied.  Like the time that I wanted to figure out how far
one could see from the Sears Tower (assuming a perfectly spherical
Earth and other ideal conditions), spent ten minutes _trying_ to
recall the quadratic formula, succeeding only to realize that it
wasn't relevant, doing the whole thing by the Pythagorean theorem and
_then_ realizing that it would be a _lot_ simpler to do it with sines
and cosines.  By this point I'd lost all faith, so I used the latter
method to check my work, but God forbid I should ever have to actually
call on calculus or anything else I did after about tenth grade.  My
only question now is whether the decay will go progressively
backwards, so that in a few years I'll be struggling to remember what
8 times 5 is.  :-)"

Michael


-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)