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From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: You're just a dream character.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:40:45 GMT

Chuckbill et al,
 
I think approaching a dream character, telling them that they're
"just" dream, isn't really a valid way of doing things.  Recognizing
dream characters as a chunk of yourself, like a multiple personality
of yourself, makes dealing with them more interesting.  Give em
respect and they'll give ya info. 
 
Recently, I summoned a fictional character that I made up, into a
dream.  I went lucid, yelled "MOE!" (his name) and he flew down and
appeared.  Unfortunately, I got distracted and lost lucidity.  (I have
a feeling there's only a certain amount of consciousness to distribute
among the personalities in  a dream and if it's spread too thin,
lucidity gets lost...  Any ideas on the matter?)
 
By the way, just to tantalize you all with high weirdness, Moe is a
quadrapalegic angel I'm trying to work a novel around.
 
                                        Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu
Subject: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Organization: Yale University GFD Computing
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:20:12 EDT


	With only one exception, there is never sunshine in my dreams, and 
the milieu is always very dark, as if it were perpetual dusk, or the sky were
permanently overcast, regardless of the nature (happy or sad or whatever) 
of the dreams. 

	Does this imply anything? Is this the usual case in a dream?


							Taiping Zhang
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From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi (A. Bulsari)
Subject: Colour in dreams can be even frustrating
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:53:41 GMT


That's true for me and has happened several times, including
once this morning, which makes me post this. This should also
put to rest beliefs that dreams are always in black and white.

Once in a while I find myself in a dream very fascinated with the
colours and I immediately want my camera. It is very very frustrating
for me not to have a camera in my dream when I want it. Today, there
was a beautiful non-realistic colourful scene near a waterfall. My
camera, I thought in the dream, was stolen. Fortunately that bus
journey resulted in a lucid dream after a while.

Equally or more frustrating is to take those stupid pictures with 400 ASA
or whatever have I, and then find that it was just a dream.

A. Bulsari
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From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:22:10 GMT

In article <melissa.3.726095029@radio.wkar.msu.edu> melissa@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Melissa Ingells) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.032012.1@climat.geology.yale.edu> zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu writes:
>>
>>	With only one exception, there is never sunshine in my dreams, and 
>>the milieu is always very dark, as if it were perpetual dusk, or the sky were
>>permanently overcast, regardless of the nature (happy or sad or whatever) 
>>of the dreams. 
>>
>>	Does this imply anything? Is this the usual case in a dream?
>>
>
>i'm going to hazard 
>that maybe you aren't very comfortable with your dreams yet, since i don't 
>seem to remember sunshine in mine either until i got older and dreams in 
>general seemed less threatening, less the realm of monsters and more the 
>realm of some pretty interesting stuff.  

I have the same thing - only on very rare occasions is the lighting
unusually bright or dark - it's usually right around the brightness of
things like stores or my room or whatever.  I have two theories:
A) That's the light level I see 90% of the time while awake...
B) My brain doesn't like having to create shadows.

I don't know where I came up with theory B, but it struck me once that
rarely, if ever, are there shadows for the objects in my dreams.  I
have tried (unsuccessfully) to use that as a lucidity trigger.

I do occasionally have dreams in which there is bright sunlight,
and there are shadows in those dreams...

Still trying to get to the boat...  It's frustrating, I can't imagine
why I haven't been able to make it yet... Hopefully, I'll get there
before the 20th...  Wish me luck...

Angela

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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Responsibility/Consequences in Dreams
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:14:46 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <1992Dec23.165657@cs.bham.ac.uk> pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando) writes:
>In article <16DEC92.00007011.0014@tscc.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> ABLB000
><ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> writes:
>>I don't see anything wrong with sinning in dreams, even when
>>lucid, because your action cannot affect others in any way.
>>If some criminals could lucid dream, then perhaps they could
>>vent their "anger/frustrations/etc" that way, and the world
>>could be a much better place...
>>Mike Stone
>
>Is it ok to 'do all the things we could'nt do in real life' ?

It is perhaps the main reason why people are fascinated with lucid
dreaming - obviously, because it basically is fun. 

As ethics are concerned: I have already elaborated that I think the
Bible's position of morally equalling thoughts with actions is wrong.
If you learn to clearly distinguish between the dream world and the
real world, you perhaps adopt a slightly different set of ethics in
both worlds. I don't think this wrong.

>If it's peoples 'nature', what people would really want to do - certain things,
>is it really good for them ?

IMHO, yes. But this probably requires some amount of psychological
and philosophical studies to figure out...

>Also, if we include in our dreams people we know - and perhaps do things with/to
>them that we would NEVER think of doing (!), as well as the above questions, can
>this actually affect them in real life ??

This is a really difficult question. Whether our mere thoughts can
affect other things is subject of hot research and even hotter
debates... 

I have so far assumed the position that I don't think it is impossible
to interact with others via thoughts (including dreams) but to really
hurt them would require more than just thinking of it.

Maybe I'll elaborate further when I find time...

Happy New Year,
Olaf
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  "My heart is human - my blood is boiling - my brain IBM" - Mr. Roboto
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dreams and amount of rest one needs.
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:28:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

As I understand it, non-REM sleep rests the body, REM sleep allows the
mind to take care of business. 

Studying tends not to stress the body so much, so you wouldn't need to
much non-REM sleep.

The fact of being so rested after so few minutes of sleep, I can think
of several related ideas.

First of all, if one sleeps in short naps, rather than one long sleep,
s/he will be better rested, and need less sleep. (I am never so well
rested as after snoozing off for a few minutes in a seminar. ;)

The other point is that psychological time, while being that which is
real to the perceiver, is not well tied to physical time. 

One could go through a lifetime of internal adventures, and have but
moments pass in physical time. What happens in the internal time will
determine how one feels mentally afterwards. 

The body is tied to physical time, the mind is not.
-- 
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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: More subtle reality checking...
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:51:28 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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Recently I've come across the experience that a more subtle way of
reality checking could perhaps achieve more. If you follow the
instruction, "just ask yourself, am I dreaming, the whole day long",
this sounds so silly, it'll be hard to remember continuously.

But I've reached lucidity recently by recognizing certain
inconsistencies in the environment that caught my attention "by
themselves". E.g. I went to the football arena and after the match had
begun, I suddenly was inside of a big hall - they had relocated the
match to indoors :-) This was weird enough to get me aware of the fact
I was dreaming. Now the important thing is that I was not actively
checking for such things, but rather have sharpened my attention to
such weirdnesses so that I can recognize them even while dreaming.
Maybe this is easier to learn, but I'm not sure.

Happy New Year,
Olaf


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  "My heart is human - my blood is boiling - my brain IBM" - Mr. Roboto
From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: new experiment
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:37:23 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

Dos'nt it finish Jan 20th ?
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Don't interrupt me you dream character!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:55:32 GMT

Interesting idea, Michael... 
 
Re: only one character at a time can control the speech centers.
 
I can't think of any characters having interrupted me either, but...
It doesn't sound like something I'd remember if they did.  I do recall
some dreams way back when where a dream character yelled at me, and it
was so loud it woke me up and I started swinging my fists as I awoke
because I thought the person was in the room...  It was the same sort
of yelling sound as when I summon a person into my dream, and my voice
echoes powerfully.  (In fact the first time I did it, I thought I'd
yelled out in my sleep...)

What the above means I don't know.  I guess it would suggest that
dream characters can yell like you can...  Maybe there's a certain
consistency to loud noises in dreams.  I recall when I clapped in my
dream, the sound echoed as well.  (Anyone have any LOUD NOISES
dreams?)

It would be interesting to try and set up a lucid dream experiment
where you interrupt a dream character or talk at the same time as they
do...  (Still trying to remember if I've been in either of those
situations...)

                                         Happy/Merry Post Xmas
                                                  Nik
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Music and time (was Re: Inclusions)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 19:12:20 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)


> some particular piece of music, or a radio show, runs in the
> background maybe for several (dream-) hours and you know that it's
> only five minutes. This sometimes shows the difference between dreamed
> and real time (and, in my experience, disproves the theory that these
> are identical). It is annoying when you can't switch the radio off in
> your dreams ('cause it's the real radio). It is annoying listening to
> 
It would be an interesting lucidity experiment.. if you know you're 
dreaming and know the music you're hearing is  from the real radio, to 
change it or transmogrify it within the dream -- like, the radio might be 
playing country/western, but in your dream you've changed it so it sounds 
like rock 'n roll...

> | Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student  |   o     | uknf@dkauni2.bitnet | old address 
> | univ. of karlsruhe - germany |  _>\ _  | s_titz@ira.uka.de   | is still    
> | +49-721-60439                | (_)<(_) | praetorius@irc      | valid       
>   "My heart is human - my blood is boiling - my brain IBM" - Mr. Roboto
From: kdm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Kristen D. Manter)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: B&W and Cartoon Animation Dreams
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:22:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Wow!  one of the first dreams i can remeber was in cartoon - and
i was a cartoon fish.  hmmm, imagine that.
-- 
Kristen 
"You've got to toss your own salad or else eat with the masses
from their narrow trough."  -Tom Robbins
                                   (Still Life With Woodpecker)
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From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Inclusions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:26:53 GMT

I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I imagine
that these would all have to be audio, or perhaps olfactory.

Personally, I have included things like the pump on my fish tank, cats
fighting outside, and I even remember fencing to "in the air tonight" 
which happened to be playing on the radio.

I would like to hear of anyone else's experiences that are similar.

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Some dreams
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:35:09 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs

In article <1i7sbpINNg0d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>Hello,
>
>1.  I was standing outside my work, talking with an co-worker and Jack Nicholson.
>     This robber (cops and robber type) comes up the sidewalk, and then Jack pulls out
>     a gun and fires six bullets at the guy.  I run into work, and try to get someone in
>     my work area to call 911, and everyone acts like they're too busy.   I have to yell

Jack Nicholson represents Scott McNealy and the robber is Bill Gates.

>2.  I dreamed that I was sentenced to prison for life.  I am booked and assigned to a
>     cell.  I tell myself that I am dreaming, then realize that I'm not and start screaming. 
>     I do this for what seems like a long time, then give up, and then get incredibly 
>    quiet and depressed.  It seems very hot and humid in the cell, and it seems very
>     realistic. 
>

Are you a computer programmer? Sounds like something they would dream.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
From: EZ-as-pi@cup.portal.com (Bruce Robert Gilson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Some Comments/Questions
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 17:32:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Re Meiko's comment on characters in her 
dreams not speaking the same language 
they do in real life.  I know some American
Sign Language, but in my dreams all the
deaf people that appear are speaking 
English!  Don't know why this is, but
that is what happens.
Deb Gilson (EZ's wife)
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From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: Dreams and amount of rest one needs.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:25:14 GMT

I have a friend who is a biology major.  I was studying one of her 
texts and it said something that might explain this phenomenon.
As we all, we cycle through REM and non-REM sleep at night.  REM sleep
is when you get your rest.  The book said something about the re-allign-
ment of neural pathways.  The interesting part, however, was that the
author argued that if you did not get enough REM sleep to correctly 
re-allign these pathways, you will catch up on your sleep by having
longer REM cycles the next time you sleep.  It is possible, I would
guess, that instead of having longer REM cycles, you could have made
them more intense, in order that the neural pathways could be re-
alligned faster.

Either that, or you had a dose of adreneline from the dream which 
allowed you to put off re-allignment for a while.  You would have
to decide for yourself which was the case.

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie...
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: cliff falling/hit bottom
Date: 3 Jan 93 05:24:44 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Hi,

	Most of my 'falling dreams' involve some form of anti gravity or
levitation.  I remember one dream where the entrance to a friends estate was
marked by an unusually strong magnetic field that allowed me to arc several
hundred feet by virtue of the steel belt buckle I had on.  At other times a 
fall will reverse itself or simply end up as hovering.

		Andy Wing
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Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice
From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: What can't you dream about?
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:33:36 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Thu  1 Jan 93 16:58, Pv@gagme.chi.il.us (paul Vader)
wrote:

 PV> Dreaming
 PV> that you fall into a deep, dreamless sleep? So there.

Buzzzzzzzzzz.  Sorry contestant but that answer is incorrect.

I know myself, and a few others, that have dreamt of going to sleep. 
Almost a reverse dream within a dream scenario.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon)
Subject: Re: BODY POSITION
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:31:57 GMT

Peter Mcnamee (Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au) wrote:
: In a message dated Fri 11 Dec 92 17:16, Tarzan wrote:

:  T> chance for success is much increased.  But it can be very difficult to
:  T> lay
:  T> still in one position allowing the sleep paralysis to take effect. 
:  T> Has anyone
:  T> got anything to add to this?

	Generally speaking, IMHO, body position does not matter much for
this type of experience. It is more important that the experient be
confortable with whatever position is assumed, be it the lotus position,
lion position or what-have-you. The important thing is to get comfortable
and let the blood circulate freely through the body without constrictive
clothing getting in the way.

	In mystical circles, the strong belief is that the magnetic North
position is best, as someone pointed out. I have tried it, and circumstances
have forced me, due to lack of space, to arrange the bed otherwise. The
evidence which I am able to gather seemed inconclusive on this point.
Nevertheless, it seems to me that the mind has got the final say, and if
it is honed in to the task at hand, it will eventually prevail, come what may.

	I feel that the paralysis stage is perhaps one of the most important
signs of early success, something that should be encouraged. From this stage
onwards, many things can happen, OOBE, LD, etc. The 'paralysis' is a temporary
condition. It is induced by a very deep relaxation of all the muscles of the
body, and sometimes, instead of paralysis, the body may jerk a little, which
is entirely normal.

	If the 'paralysis' is desirable, then the next question would be,
how to make it happen by lying still in the bed for a long stretch of time.
I only know of one method, through personal experience, and that is, to make
it a habit, so that it becomes second nature just to lie down and relax.
It is difficult in practise, of course, the difficulty being the tired body
usually drift off to sleep zzzz 

	Lying motionless might also invite some unkind comments from observers 
who may think that the person simply loves to loaf around, like the 
Beetle Bailey (sic) cartoon...


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From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Responsibility/Consequences in Dreams
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:56:57 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

What do people feel about this ?

I was looking through some earlier stuff , such as :

In article <16DEC92.00007011.0014@tscc.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> ABLB000
<ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> writes:
>I don't see anything wrong with sinning in dreams, even when
>lucid, because your action cannot affect others in any way.
>If some criminals could lucid dream, then perhaps they could
>vent their "anger/frustrations/etc" that way, and the world
>could be a much better place...
>Mike Stone
>
>

etc.

Is it ok to 'do all the things we could'nt do in real life' ?

If it's peoples 'nature', what people would really want to do - certain things,
is it really good for them ?

Also, if we include in our dreams people we know - and perhaps do things with/to
them that we would NEVER think of doing (!), as well as the above questions, can
this actually affect them in real life ??

Thanks for your replies
(what an optimist!)

Pierre
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From: sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Tetris and Dreams
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:06:55 GMT

In article <102050@netnews.upenn.edu>, wesley@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Wesley HRJ Gaus) writes:
->  
->  
->  I was just wondering if anyone has ever played Tetris or any other video game
->  and dreamed about it sometime later.  I recall playing Tetris a few times for
->  an hour or so and lateer that day I put my head down and saw the pieces 
->  falling and coudln't relax cause the pieces kept coming down. But for some
->  reason all the pieces always seemed to fit! Any else experience anythin
->  similar and, if so, is there a name for this occurrence??? Thanx.


This brings back memories!  Several years ago, upon owning an Atari 2600,
I was determined to break one million points on ASTERIODS.  After playing
continuously for over 10 hours (and not making one million points), my 
dreams for the next 3 or 4 nights consisted of my sitting in front of that
game, and making one millions points in about 5 minutes (although the dream
itself seemed to last all night).  

Coincidentally, I sold the game the week after.

pete
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