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From: kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Reply-To: kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:16:11 GMT

i'd just like to say that dating/not-dating someone because he/she is a 
member of a certain nationality isn't right.  for years, i've dated only
korean guys even though they weren't so great because i thought inter-racial
relationships were wrong.  presently, i am involved with a wonderful guy
who happens to be white.  and now i realize that what really is wrong is
to close oneself up from different people just because they aren't korean.
	if you meet someone who will make you happy and if he/she happens
to be korean, that's great. but if he/she is not, give it a chance anyway.
there's another world out there that you may be missing out on.  racial
differences should not be as important as people make it out to be.

/nancy kwak



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From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: MBC/SBS/KBS (was Re: Kim, Yong Oak:what is your opinion about him?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:59:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.064108.19170@news.columbia.edu> gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
> 	Think a bit harder Mr. Seung.  I am sure you can come up with
> another food category relating to this subject as you have done for
> past several subjects ranging from church to Korean male.  Quite a
> talent there, quite a talent.  I expect to see you on MBC/SBS/KBS
> morning cooking sessions ("Today's Yori Ghang-Seup") in no time:)

Dear Gag-Lae,

I like your name.  One can easily identify your hatred towards foods
in general.  Also, I am not not gay, but that shouldn't discourage
you.  There are surprisingly quite a number of well respected male
cooks who head the TV cooking sessions in Korea.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: questions of the Korean War
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:25:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: gaia.1ehlrfINNbm
Distribution: world
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

Dear netters,

I recently saw a program of the Koeran War.
I wonder why the U.S. didn't get a victory
in that war.  The U.S. troops are much stronger
than North Koeran and Chinese troops by the
mean of equipments.  The same force with the 
same general, General McArthur, defeated Japanese
troops in the Pacific, but were frustrated by
North Korean and China.

Which side did most Korean people support?
Was the conflict between General McArthur and
President Truman(spelling ?) a big cause of
the non-victory ending?
Did the U.S. force fight as hard as they did
in the WWII?
Did North Korean and Chinese forces push the 
U.S. force back by vast number of troops?

Should or shouldn't the U.S. enter the war if the UN
didn't make a decision to help South Korean?
Should or shouldn't China enter the war?

What was the reason of North Korean's invasion at
the beginning of the war?  

The program I saw called the Korean War a forgotten
war.  What do you think is the biggest reason
that most Americans don't talk about this war so much?

Thank you for your attention.

Wen Zongyao
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:53:47 -0500 
From: Allis June Ghim <ag3v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
	<1992Nov23.204443.28382@news.acns.nwu.edu>

Hi my name's Allis and I've been following this 'Kidnapping young
girls'.  I also heard stories of young girls being kidnapped off the
streets in broad daylight. Personally, I think it's disgusting that
people would ever think of such a thing.  These girls are barely in
their teens and probably haven't even finished puberty and the thought
of placing them in that kind of environment makes me cringe.  It also
makes me furious that these 'men' think that they are so superior that
they believe they can treat another human being like that.   I think the
people responsible for this should be ashamed and severely punished
because they're not only degrading themselves to scum status but also
degrading our nation as a whole.  
    What I want to know is, what is the korean govt. doing about this?
Anything?  I think some serious police action needs to take place to
find these people and punish them.  I haven't heard of anything. I mean,
these people are taking away a girls freedom, her youth, innocence,
self-esteem, and pride.  
And these are things that can never be replaced.    I can't even imagine
the lifelong emotional as well as physical traumacies that the girls
will have to live with- and all to satisfy the raging hormones of these
men who aren't even decent enough that they can't even find a wife. 
Anyway, the whole thing is pretty horrible and i hope people are working
on ways to put a stop to this.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: (Why I do not want to be in) Re: Service in Korea
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.025539.13991@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Many interesting postings on why not wanting to join the army in Korea.
>Most of it was an exercise in intellect to avoid the obvious.   The obvious
>answer is 

	Getting cynical, as usual.  :)
>
>
>Of all the postings that I have seen, only one person is an honorable man
>who put his studies on hold and served in the army.  He can run for
>presidency.  I will vote for him in that aspect.  All others sould consider
>a career in law or something else.

	Jee, how did you guess?  :)  In any case, why should serving in the
army be more honorable than anything else?  This is not the Klingon
Empire here.  If one feels that one will be hurting one's country more if
one joined the army, than is it not more honorable not to join the army?
If one joins the army, spends 2.5 years there, and leaves without gaining
anything when one could have spent one's time much better somewhere else,
is it still honorable?  
	But of course, the noble Brutus here hath told us that the person who
went to army is honorable.

>Some pointed out their distaste for becoming a killing machine.  In my
>case, that is the least of my concern.  Killing does not bother me 1/1000
>of being killed.  Now, being killed by a bullet through my skull, aka
>instant death, does not worry me as much as being beaten daily by a brute
>sergeant for being an odd ball.  I, who was beaten frequently in high
>school and had problems wearing uniforms, am guaranteed to have problmes in
>the army.  It is much more likely for me to be involved in a "training
>accident" in an official report and be cremated before any autopsy than
>being killed by an enemy.

	James, my freshman year roommate had gone to the Air Force Academy
originally.  But he transferred out and came to Cornell.  I asked him what
made him leave the Air Force.  He told me a little story about something
that happened while he was in basic training.  That story still gives me
chills.  If you want to know, e-mail me.  Until then, you probably won't
understand why I put so much emphasis on not being a killing machine.


-- 
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From: kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Melodrama Central (was Re: Coffee?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:05:18 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Nov23.050632.8258@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>And what the h*ll is this 
>fin-de-siecle decadence kind of place that you hang out!  Aren't you
>ashamed that the young people in Korea are suffering in cold weather
>trying to defend their country from the f**king commies in North Korea
>while you go around sipping coffees and listening to those Satanic
>music?  Why I oughta...


Bwahahahahaha.
You're beginning to sound like a combination of my dad, one of my male
cousins, and some of my aunts.

Hey, I thought the perfidy of Korean women regarding their loved ones
who go off to military duty was a a boundless source of inspiration
for Korean popular music, books, and film.  So I'm just doing my
duty playing the part of some heartless, spoiled Korean woman who
doesn't care *at all* about our brave boys in the front, and then
I'll probably get my comeuppance like 20 years later as I am arrested
for being a "big hand" in Kangnam, and then it turns out the prosecutor
and his cronies are all former readers of s.c.k. who were incensed at
my display of decadence, and I'll be begging and crying and I will
finally repent my wicked ways.

Heh.  I think I've got the makings of a Korean TV drama right here.


yong-mi
call it something like "Kangnam-ku <appropriate postal code>"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:05:21 GMT

In article <98579@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>Dear James,
>
>I never preached her.  I begged her.  And if I come to think of it, I
>was hitting on her.  Read my lips...
>
>
> O |     |_| |_  |=|  |
>   |     |_| |   _|_  .
>
>
>Hyunsuk Seung
>hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu

I like your new bigger and improved .signature file.  One question, why did
you change your last name to Lee?

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby,
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:49:03 GMT

I get into a mess when I am sitting in peace miding my own business.  But
here is someone who actually paid for it.  Let's see what we can conclude
out of this lack of data.  I wish your recipient was on the net so taht we
can ASK!

In article <1992Nov19.104500.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>Some interesting points were raised by Abby. Even though I sent roses without
>any romantic understream I should be guilty of rasing nightmare?  

It is my belief that having affection for someone is something to be proud
of, not be ashamed of.  (This is one of the few things I learned in my
years in church.)  In that light, I don't see why it is "guilty" and
"nightmare." 

>If I included a clear "instructions" specifically telling her not to do 
>so, would I still be guilty as charged?

One, you are not guilty of anything.  Two, the beauty of the whole deal is
its "suggestions" or "ambiguity.  An instruction sheet will be a sure
killer of the whole beauty.  However, there are disguised instruction
sheets called "cards."  Even that tend to be suggestive and as vague as it
can get.

>I mean, I am sure some people may say[...]

Talk is cheap and we tend to get a lot of it.  My posting is one
example.  But who cares what the others think?
 
>Coulnd't I have just felt like getting her longstem
>roses, which by the way are her favourite, and just sent her some 
>without having to worry about all this?

Let me make myself clear.
The worst misunderstanding that can come from this deal is she may think
you still love her.  I am saying this misunderstanding is harmless, given
1.  you do not mind this understanding form her part.
2.  no one else is hurt by this (such as your current SO)
3.  and you do not mind the investment that ended up in misunderstanding.

If all three items are fine with you, as you said they were, then there is
nothing to worry about because it can only be better than the worst
assumption.

>  Maybe we are giving too much meaning to the ROSES and things like that.
>  What do you think, Abby?

It is possible that I am giving too much meaning.  In my life, I gave roses
to extremely few people.  It is very probable that what I told you last
time and this time only applies to my psyche only.  Different responses
from other Abbies proves it.

James "no loger Abby" Choi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: south@wam.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Korean girls (was Re: korean guys)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.031048.5092@colorado.edu> pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
>And if the Korean guys can't handle it, well SOB SOB,
>hey this is America, and this is the 90s!
>Wake up! Smell the coffee and GET OFF YOUR HORSE!

	Well said, and agreed.

	I wonder how they (Korean girls) think of me if I don't want to
	work but to play computers, video games, and golf.
	(of course, let's say I wouldn't mind cooking and cleaning).

	Ah, one more thing I really hate to drive (this one is serious).

	Will they take me as one lazy SOB (well, in fact I think I'm).
-- 
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu south@wam.umd.edu
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Metal box of SNU
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:35:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Up on the high hill of Seoul National University resides a tiny
shelter called the "metal box," the home of delicious jjajangmyun
serving the entire student body rain or shine.  The waiting line
easily outstretches the little wall of China during a typical lunch
hour, and it is the only place in Seoul where well dressed female
students, both physically and mentally (especially physically), can
freely enjoy double-size jjajangmyun without fear of provoking
senseless gossips by their male colleagues.
   Does anyone know what the secret to their deliciousness is?  I
heard that kochugaru could only be obtained if you beg from the head
cook, but I never found her.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim)
Subject: Re: A Brief History of Time
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:44:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.153138.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>I just saw "Brief history of Time" yesterday.  I have read the book a couple
>of times before but had hard time concentrating long enough to really get 
>what the heck he was saying.  I think the movie was really well done and I
>am sorry that it took me this long to see it.  If there is anyone out there
>who hasn't seen it, go ahead and do it.  I loved it. But my date didn't seem 
>to care too much for it, though.  
>What do you guys, who have seen it, think of the movie?

I saw the movie sometime ago, and enjoyed it very much.
I especially liked Hawking's sister, no wonder he became
  such a brilliant physicist.  I must add that without Philip Glass
's music, it wouldn't of been as good of a movie as it was.  The book
"Brief History of Time" is translated into Korean and is one of the 
bestsellers along with "Surely you are joking, Mr. Feynman!" in Korea. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:01 GMT

In article <43JTB1MH@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
>Yes.  I always wondered how frequent cases of kidnapping and the human
>slave trade (inshin maemae) really are.  People were certainly worried
>about it and talked about it a lot, but the evidence I heard about it was
>largely anecdotal. One can see very easily how something like that is ripe
>for sensationalization by the media; similar stories get attention in the
>U.S. far out of proportion to the frequency with which they occur.  

I do not have the figures.  But it happened frequent enough that there was
a movement by citizens to do something about it.  I do not read about it as
often these days.

Those who are victimized by this method (kidnapping) are mostly under-age
girls.  Korean males seem to have an attraction for young girls (also
called young-gye, literally means young chicken)

What I wanted to state in my original response was that the vast majority
of prostitution (including the kidnapping) is conducted by Koreans for
Koreans.  It would have been the same with or without the U.S. Army base.
And if there was a Korean army base in any other country, its neighborhood
scene would not be much different because Koreans consume fat as well.

>Stephen

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Curch
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:51:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.175337.461@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>What do you think about Korean Church?
>Pros. & Cons.?
>
>I could not forget the wierd feeling when I went to Korean Church (which
>had some internal political problems about the leadership & money)
>as soon as I landed on U.S. - to me, it looked more than a religeous
>place - picking up a data, doing business, finding gamble-partner, ... etc.
                      ^^^^
	Mr. Data goes to a Korean church?  Wow, where does Captain Picard
go to on Sundays?  :)
	But seriously, Korean churches provide an important gathering
place for the Koreans living in the United States, whether they are Korean
citizens or American citizens.  A Korean church is a place where one can
go and feel the ties to the motherland, where one can feel right at home
even if one doesn't speak any English.  Yes, a Korean church is more than
a place of worship, it's a place of bonding and renewing bonds.
>
>Ah, also I remember that there was an article about this kinda church
>on Washington Post once referring it to be the most important bottleneck of
>naturalization.

	Perhaps.  In the American idea of melting pot, I suppose a church
helping to maintain the traditional Korean culture and values is a hindrance
to "naturalization."  But when I was in Canada, such organizations are
encouraged by the local and federal governments for the same reason because
Canada pursues the policy of multiculturalism.


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From: kim@cs.arizona.edu (Kyung Soo Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Service in Korea
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:34:08 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

From postnews Sun Nov 15 15:25:36 1992
> Your point is well made. However, you seem to miss a very important fact.
> Serving in the army is not the only way to become patriotic to our country. 
> This also does not mean one should try everyway to avoid the duty. however,
> it became a quite common ground that one has to stop developing his skills and
> talents to just be a part of army is not only wasting time, but it also puts
> a lengthy delay to catch up the world's competition. 

  You are quite right.  But let me ask you and other netters "how many 
  people get around the mandatory service in Korea just because they
  think so valueable and able than the people who serve the 2-3 years 
  of their life in the service?"  It is true that some people need to be
  exempt from the mandatory service if there is clear evidence that they
  can do much better things for Korea.  But I believe there are only a few
  such people in Korea.
.
>Just for a curiosity, how many people, who served in the army, can stand up and
> say "It was the best time I've ever worked for and it is worth a life" or the
>same people think "I could have used the time for something more meaningful and
> productive, if I didn't have to serve in the army." 

  I DO.  I think the three years of my service period was some of my most 
  valuable time in my entire life(Not best though).
  I went back to Korea during my 3rd year PH.D program in Computer
  Science.  Do I reglect my choice?  No.  If I didn't serve three years,
  it may be true that I could have finished my PH.D much sooner and easier. 
  But I did not want to live in the shade of quilty.
    I am trying to recruite people to the service.  But since MOST of us
  are not that greater and more able  than MOST of people in the service, 
  I think people shouldn't try to use trick to get around the mandatory 
  service.
    There was news article about 4 weeks ago that many politicians and 
  businessmen's sons are exempt from the mandatory service due to lack of 
  physical strength or some kind of illness.  The number was like 11.000 or
  more( I am not sure, but close).  Then, are that large number of big name
  Korean's sons phycally handicap?  I mean physical, but Mental.
  Let me hear your opinion.

  Kyung-Soo Kim					kim@cs.arizona.edu
  Dept. Computer Science			kim@coal.math.arizona.edu
  The University of Arizona		
















Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Idle s.c.k (Re: President Park Jung Hee)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:02:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.174414.27173@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>	Yes!  Of course!  That's the whole point.  Why are there those
>dashes and hyphens in one's name?  Woong-Ki, oops, I mean, Woong
>Ki must have had some ulterior motive for putting TWO (count 'em, two)
>dashes rather than the traditional one dash between one's first name.
>Well, this is intolerable.  Putting two dashes are obviously some kind
>of communist plot to overtake the world, just like fluoride in your
>drinking water.  I propose that we arrest Woong-ki and make him spell
>his name Chong-Woong-ki, then make him erase all the first dashes!
>That's will teach him to sympathize with those two-dash-ing, hyphen-
>mongering, color-red-favoring commie pigs.  

Amazing how idle and boring is s.c.korean, isn't it?  No wonder s.c.k netters
need Dwight-Joes to lighten it up a bit.
From: changl@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: RE: Dating
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:43:18 GMT

I'm 20 years old Korean male and I am a first generation in America.
I came to America in 1987 when I was 15 years old. Since than I
never been to Korea. I think I'm very liberal man.

Since my major is Computer science (you know computer science
is very time consuming major), I don't have time to spend on
dating. So I haven't dated anyone for a while.  However, I think it
is perfectly okay for korean woman to date with non-Korean man.
Besides, I dated non-Korean woman when I was in High school.  And,
I believe that if Korean man can date with non-Korean woman, Korean
woman can date non-Korean man any time she wants; I think it is not
fare to stop Korean woman dating non-Korean man when Korean man is
dating non-Korean woman.

And James, I don't want to make you feel bad or something, but
don't be so conservative. You are living in America and so as those
Korean women. So give them a break! Also, Clinton is the President now!

Chang Hoon Lee
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