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From: gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley)
Subject: tongue firmly in cheek
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:07:06 GMT

One of the side-benefits of the reunification of Germany has been the
discovery of lost cantatas by J. S. Bach.  The discoveries include:

	"Ich bin vergnuegt mit meinem Fahrvergnuegen"  and

	"Gott faehret auf mit Fahrvergnuegen."

Mark., apologies in advance
gooley@netcom.com
From: dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Corrosion Warranty
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:22:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: sdsu

As an owner of an 89 Jetta living in sunny San Diego I have a
problem with ... rust! The VW has a 6 year warranty on corrosion,
and (surprise, surprise) VW is refusing to honour their warranty.
Details:  Rust is forming around the base of the front windshield.
VW's reasons for not fixing the problem are that I have a "non
factory type window".  I had the windshield replaced soon after I
bought the car (a stone from a truck hit it), and had this done by
US Autoglass (they're a big company, not cowboys).

My questions to kind people on the net who might be able to help me:

(i)  Does a "non factory type window" automatically void the warranty?
I read my warranty very carefully and there is nothing in there that
states this. US Autoglass seem to have done their job properly. VW's
district manager pointed out that the seal cap (a plastic part which
clips at the centre base of the windshield) is missing, and because of
this water was allowed to collect inside the cowl section. But 
according to the manager of US Autoglass, this cap is cosmetic
and does not serve as a seal against water. Who is right?

(ii)  I wrote to Customer relations in Auburn Hills, Mi, and they
backed up the district manager in a letter, saying that they "will 
not be able to assist me". Also in this letter they state that
"VW United States has over the years attempted to establish a sales
and service organization second to none and has, for the most part,
succeeded in this endeavor."

To those who have experiences with VW U.S., do you agree with this?

(iii)  I have taken this matter to the Better Business Bureau, and VW
and I are going to arbitration in a couple of weeks. Any hints or
tips on how I should handle this? Is it usually rigged in favour of
the Auto Companies, and am I wasting my time?

Many thanks!

M. Dunster.
From: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Wanna be disgusted?
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:30:20 GMT
Reply-To: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Hello Networld.  Here is some trully agravating info 4 U. 

Those of us in Canada have been getting reamed with taxes lately- especially if you reside in Ontario.  Starting October 1st Ontario is not going to believe you when you try to get a second hand car registered - with respect to the purchase price.  On this date new legislation goes into affect whereby the tax paid on licencing will be computed on the sales agreement price or a value in some bullshit book -which ever is more.  I'm serious.

I think thats enough for me. Time to start looking into that transfer to the U.S..

bitch bitch bitch
From: markg@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mark Goldsworthy)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:36:39 GMT
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos

/ hpmwga7:rec.autos / salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) /  2:25 pm  Sep 28, 1992 /
In article <13355@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Additional RWD models still sold (please feel free to add to this list):

			(list Deleted)

>14. Mitsubishi Diamante ? 

The Diamante is a FWD car in its base model, and AWD in the top of the line
model.

Mark Goldsworthy

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Dealer says no accidents, I find otherwise
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 09:07:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.115835.1959@mwhhlaw.uucp> jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III) writes:
[Some people wrote:]
>> >I bought a 91 base-model (only auto & air) Camry in July
>> >at an Acura dealership for $11,500.  The dealer told me the car had  
>> >not been in any accidents so I (stupidly) declined to have the car
>> >inspected. 
>> >...damage on the driver's side which had been repaired?  Should I  
>> >threaten the Acura dealer with legal action unless he refunds
>> >$x = (11,500 minus the value of a previously wrecked Camry)?
>> >Anybody have any other ideas?
>> 	A clear case of fraud.
...
>> 						Rob
>	Fraud, eh?  So how do you propose to prove that the dealer KNEW  
>that the car had been in an accident?  Unless you can show that the  
>accident happened while the car was in the dealer's hands or that the  
>last owner told the dealer all about it, our unhappy Acura owner is out  
>of luck.

not true.  it is certainly possible that the dealer will be responsible,
since he (the poster said it was a "he") stated that the car had not
been in any accidents and the buyer purchased the car in justfiable reliance
on that statement.  this is a staple of contract law.  if you make a statement
knowing it to be false or knowing that you have no basis for your statement
(i.e. you can't back it up), and the buyer relies on your statement, you can
be liable for damages or recission of the contract.  and i think the dealer
will be held to a higher standard than the average person because he deals
in these things.  the buyer relied on the dealer's expertise in the business
at hand.

now, hold on before you start saying something about when the dealer says
it's a cream puff, it's the best car you could own, etc.  the key is whether
reliance is justifiable.  sales puffery does not qualify.  but a plain
statement that the car has never been in an accident is reasonably taken
as a serious statement of fact.

so the point is that the dealer doesn't have to KNOW that his statement
was untrue.  if you can show that he hadn't inspected the car and didn't
know whether it had been in an accident, you can string him up for pretending
that he did know and claiming that it hadn't been hit.

good luck.
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: chris@ponder.csci.unt.edu (chris gleaves)
Subject: Re: newsgroup for 4x4 trucks?
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:35:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.003454.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asdch@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>
>	Would people be interested in a four wheel drive truck newsgroup?
>I certainly would.  How does one go about creating a new newsgroup?  Dave.

  I am interested.  It is my understanding that there is already a mailing
list for 4x4s, but I would support a newsgroup for it.  To do this somebody
(maybe me) needs to post a RFD (request for discussion) on news.groups.  I
forget the steps after that, but it is easy enough to find out (maybe someone
who knows more about it will follow up on this post?)

chris
chris@unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: carl@neocad.com (Carl Stern)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:57:00 GMT

smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:

>I tried this once before, let's see how I do this time:

>Rear Wheel Drive _cars_ for sale in the USA, 1992:

>Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Town Car
>Ford Thunderbird/Mercury Cougar
>Ford Mustang
>Buick Roadmaster/Chevy Caprice/Cadillac Brougham
>Chevy Camaro/Pontiac Firebird
>Chevy Corvette
>Dodge Viper
>Infiniti Q45
>Lexus SC300/SC400/ES400
>Acura NSX
>Toyota MR2
>Toyota Supra
>Toyota Cressida
>Mazda 929
>Mazda RX-7
>Mazda Miata

>Did I miss any this time?


 there are definitely more:

BMW - all
Merecedes Benz - all (some 4wd)
Bentley - all
Rolls Royce - all
Jaguar - all
Porsche - all (some 4wd)
Volvo - some
Ferrari - all
Maserati Shamal
Dodge Stealth/Mistubishi 3000 (some 4wd)
Alfa Romeo Spider
Cadillac Allante
Nissan 240SX
Nissan 300ZX
Lotus Esprit
Morgan - all
TVR - all, I hope these are still sold in the US.

I'm sure there are others too.

-- 
   Carl Stern
   NeoCAD                     carl@neocad.com
   2585 Central Ave.        
   Boulder, CO 80301          Phone: (303) 442-9121
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Chevy Cavalier
Organization: Bell Northern Research
	<1992Sep23.070628.8114@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Sep23.143952.1740@sei.cmu.edu> <891078p.6.717264565@ace.acadiau.ca>
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:19:19



>In article <1992Sep23.143952.1740@sei.cmu.edu>
>     kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock) writes:
>>
>>Z24 Cavaliers may be swell in terms of power, handling, brakes, etc., but
>>the general perception of those unfamiliar with this flavor of Cavalier
>>will always equate it with the garden variety.
>>
>   I have driven a 1989 Z24 (2.8L mpfi 5-spd) and a variety of the base
>cavaliers from 86-90.  IMHO the only similarity between the Z24 and the base
>models is name only ( and some external body styling ).  The standard models

more similarity than you think : chassis, suspension design, engine (in the
v6 versions).

>are trash, but the Z24 is one awesome car and more than a match for any 4-
>cyl. 

any 4cyl?? Just from stats, I can say that there are *many* four cylinders that
can [out]match a Z24, and we're not talking about stuff like a lotus esprit!
however, many of them are turbocharged (e.g. talon, laser, etc..); 
you may wish to disqualify them...

If the times in the mags are to be believed, a VTEC integra is quicker to 60
than a v6 z24.   But who knows, perhaps they're wrong.

>( can't come close to my 5.0L Mustang, though.  but that is a diferent
>story ).

True.

Andrew
alavigne@bnr.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: pintos, chev. pick-ups, and Kaboom
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date:  1 Oct 1992 09:43 EST  

I racall seeing an episode of "That's Incredible"--way back in the late 
70s or early 80s--on which they demonstrated the ability of a screen mesh, 
filling the gas tank, to retard an explosion.  The mesh displaced less than 
1% of the tank's volume and the cost of manufacturing such a tank was a few 
bucks more than a conventional tank.  So why haven't the auto manufacturers
included these on all vehicles?

Answer: Greed.

Greg
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From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Whats a Geo Metro (explained)
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:12:02 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 3TN7RB1w164w@cellar.org, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>Geo Metros
>^^^^^^^^^^ - Please Explain This!
>
>A Geo, is a car comany here in the states, that sells several small, crummy, 
>magot shit box cars under the Chevy name.  The cars are made by Isusu, 
>Toyota, and Diahatsu (sp?).  All sold under the Geo name.  One such car, the 
>Geo Metro, is a small, 4 person car.  The car, is *Very* small, and sports (I 
>think) a 3 cyl. engine, and gets 56Mpg.  Needless to say, this car, does not 
>have that much power...
>
>----- 
> Dan Reed (Blu-Max) blu@cellar.org - AutoCad Geek - VW Lover - InlineSkater 
>


The Geo Prizm, made in California by the joint SUMMI GM/Toyota plant, is the
same car as the Toyota Corolla, only cheaper.  As such, it is reliable, dependable,
and a bargain, but it isn't a crummy maggot box.  Daihatsu is no longer selling
into the US market.  The Geo Tracker is the same as the Suzuki mumble, and is made
in Canada.  It sells into the same market as that other Canadian import, the Jeep
Wrangler.

	Dave



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rnakamu@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Ryan Nakamura)
Subject: Re: What Honda is this?
Organization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:14:18 GMT

In article <louislam.717727311@vincent2.iastate.edu> louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam) writes:
>I just received a coupon book from Honda and on one page, titled
>"Honda Welcones Two New Family Members", it showed two new Hondas.
>
>One of them is a Del Sol (I know this car :)) but I have little
>clue on the other.  It looks like a Civic 4 door, but it has only
>2 door (but not the hatch-back!), so it's a coupe.  It's got the 
>door handle of a Civic, and the head looks pretty much like a Civic
>(It's a side view).  But the tail is new to me.  It kinda like a ...
>(Well, I dunno)  It has only plastic wheel cover, so I assume it
>won't be an Accord.
>
>Could this be a 93 Civic coupe?
>
>It sure looks beautiful in the picture, and it's even prettier than 
>the Civic 4 door.
>
>Anyone know what car is this? (Car & Driver may have some info on 
>this car, but my issue hasn't arrive yet)
>
>Louis
>

     I don't know much about that particular car you saw, but I
read that there is a new Honda called an Ascot Innova in Japan.
It looks like a 5 door Integra and comes with a 2.3L DOHC engine.
I don't know if it's coming here in the near future, though.

-Ryan
rnakamu@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:32:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.25777
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>A few people have said that the trend toward FWD is largely
>influenced by economics.  How is this the case?

You should have read a little closer. It's because the entire drive
train can be assembled outside of the car and then shoe-horned in. RWD
has additional steps of placing a differential and drive shaft into
the car, and must make sure it matches.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: downforce and cornering g's (was which car handles the best?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:29:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1992Sep30.194233.17558@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> tsuit@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Tom Suit) writes:
>
>  BZZT! Wrongo! Lateral acceleration is a complete separate force from
>  gravity. It has nothing to do with gravity other than the fact that
>  lateral acceleration is often measured in units called g's which are
>  equal to the acceleration of the pull of gravity on an object.

OK, Tom, since you appear to have a handle on this subject, perhaps you
can clearly explain the following:

For the sake of this discussion, we have a vehicle with "0 downforce
aerodynamics" moving in a straight line at a constant 60 MPH. Thus, the
normal force on the wheels and tires is nominally 1g.

Now, suppose the driver turns the steering wheel. The car begins to move
laterally. What force, precisely, causes this lateral acceleration?

Is it not the FRICTION of the car's tires against the road surface
whichg causes this lateral acceleration? Is not this FRICTIONAL force a
function of mu, the coefficient of rolling friction, multiplied by the
normal force (1g)? In our hypothetical example, how would our test car
achieve a lateral acceleration of > 1g? Either the normal force must
exceed 1g (which it does not; our postulate states that the weight of
the car, and therefore the normal force, is precisely 1g), or the
coefficient of friction must exceed 1.0.

So the real question becomes: what is the coefficient of friction
between the tire and the road when the car is executing a turn? Or when
the dragster is accelerating from a standing start? Or is the mechanism
which causes lateral acceleration in our test car totally different, and
thus independent of gravity, friction, and the normal force?
From: stuart@ee.fit.edu (William Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:35:20 GMT
Organization: Florida Tech has NO organization!

In <1992Sep30.063518.28782@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

>In article <stuart.717817096@yacht> stuart@ee.fit.edu (William Stuart) writes:
>>  Somebody may correct me, but I cannot think of one Ultra-high performance
>>  car that is not RWD.  STOCK, that is.  Or street prepared (SCCA definition)
>>  I would arbitrarily classify Ultra-high performance as 0-60 in sub 6 sec,
>>  1/4 mi. in sub 15 sec.  High slalom speeds too.

>the daytona IROC R/T appears to fit your definition.
>0-60 in six flat, ET of 14.7 sec.  dunno about slalom.
>this is from car and driver, which drives the cars more
>conservatively than say, hot rod.
>-teddy

Well I'll be damned!  It does meet my arbitrary definition.  I guess it's a 
pretty quick auto.  Any other UHP FWD's?  (ASAP, OK? %-P ;-) 

But you raise an interesting question:  If this car is such a good performer,
why do they more-or-less scratch-build a RWD car that shares only the name
for the IROC series?  ( Again, this is from memory, so correct me if I'm 
wrong.)

- Bill
	stuart@ee.fit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Valentine Phone # Was (Re: Escort DSP vs. Passport 3200?)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:53:32 GMT

ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) writes:

>And the Valentine radar detector results are very impressive.  The only
>problem is that it will give false alarms if within 4600 feet of a 
>Whistler radar detector according with Car & Driver.  I don't know
>how popular Whistler radar detectors are, but I don't want to know
>everytime one of them is within 3/4 of a mile :-( .

Wasn't that the VG-2 "detector detector" that found the Whistler at 4000
feet, not the Valentine One detector?
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From: russ@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Russ Lown)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:18:44 GMT
Subject: Insurance Advice for Muscle Cars
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Hello,

I have a friend who is ready to by a 1970 Roadrunner with a market
value of $30,000 US.  He has a few questions about insurance:


  o Does anyone have any insurance companies they can recommend
    when buying such a car?


  o How does one go about dealing with the blue book/market value
    mismatch?  Is an independent appraisal in order?  


Thanks for any information you can provide,


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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: blf@apollo.hp.com (Barry Frishberg)
Subject: Re: Valentine Radar Detectors Availability and their phone number.
Originator: blf@stargazer
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:11:33 GMT
Reply-To: blf@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

From article <19qn4vINN9b4@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, by rogerhef@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Roger Heflin):
> 
> Does anyone have one of these radar detectors? and are they worth
> the wait? 

I have one and I think it is great. I have found its ability to locate where the
radar is coming has helped me in determining possible false alarms.  For
example, the other day there were two traps on the same road.  As I passed the
first, the arrow changed to the rear.  Then the front arrow lit up and a mile
or so up the road was the second trap.  In the past I would not have been able
to differentiate the two sources and would have thought the new indication was
due to the first trap.

As to your original question, I would consider waiting.  If you already have a radar
detector and you are upgrading, your current detector will probably serve it purpose
unless you police department has just purchased a numnber of Stalker guns.  If you do 
already have one, then unless you've recently received a number of ticket's, then
what's the rush?  (No pun intended. :-) )  I waited from May till August to get mine
and I am happy I did.

                                                       -Barry

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: NJ's Guv Jim says no to 65, was Re: speed limit
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:55:33 GMT


Well, in another "we know what's best for you" statement, Guv Jim Florio
has already announced that if the speed limit bill is passed, he will veto
it.  Guess who he anounced that to?  The insurance industry folks who are
one of the major benefiters from the bogus 55 limit.  Why, because it
makes it a cake walk for the police to hand out tickets for speeding.
The more speeding tickets given out, the more points against individuals'
driving records and the higher the insurance premiums go.

During the past two days there have been many callers to 101.5 FM
on the 55 limit and all but a handful favor raising the speed to
65 where that is permitted by federal law.  Those that favor keeping
it 55 rely on the old theory that if the everyone is driving 65 now when 
the limit is 55, then they will all go 75 if the limit is 65.  That
has not proven to be the case at all in those states (over 40)
that now have 65.

So, hang another reason not to re-elect Guv Jim next year if you
are a driver.  Let's hope that the legislature has more respect
for the people and overwhelmingly passes the 65 mph bills with a
veto proof margin as they did with the photo-radar ban legislation.

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