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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Magyar's Tales comment
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:20:10 GMT

My mailbox floweth over!

Geez Louise!

I received boundless multitudes broadcasting praise and support
for the previously posted story.

Thanks oodles, gang... I think the most important element of the
prolonging of creativity is support...

I should have one or two (or more, depending on how psyched up
I get at my PowerBook) more installments ready for post-break
(coming Jan.10 to a terminal near you)...

But as an immediate token of appreciation for all your support
let me offer this excerpt from Magyar's present --

Installment Two, even.

_______________________

Marius   ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

_______________________

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: robertc@sco.COM (Robert Chansky)
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:36:30 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.031648.29082@penet.fi> an2863@anon.penet.fi writes:
>> away in velvet boudoirs, slinking about in gauzy, foggy rooms wearing 
>> little but silk slips and pointy fangs.
>
>I hope you are not refering you yourself (sorry nadja but I concider
>you a far cry from Voluptuous/sexy; both mentaly and physicality)
>

I guess the tact cells are the first to go

-- 

  "Half of creation is a metaphor for the other half."
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:49:06 GMT

In article <Dec.15.13.38.33.1992.17904@math.rutgers.edu> bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) writes:
>>In article <Bz9xIC.F1s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> apeters2@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Avram (Abe) Peters) writes:
[material deleted]
>
>"The Master of Rampling Gate", based on a short story, is available 
>in graphic novel (comic book) form, I think from Innovation.  "The Vampire
>Lestat" has already been published as a graphic novel, with the second
>and third parts of the chronicles as well as "The Mummy" still being
>published as individual (bi- I think) monthlies with the full compilation
>to follow.

What's your opinion of the Vampire Lestat comic? I saw it briefly in a local 
bookshop, sniffed and turned my nose up at it; it sold like wildfire, and, 
now that I'd like to get it, is nowhere to be found. 

Had to go to 4 bookstores before finding _The Witching Hour_ on the shelves 
here (Twin Cities); looks like there's an immense interest out there. 

>
>There is an official fan club "The Anne Rice Vampire Lestat Fan Club",
>that has a large coven party every October in New Orleans.  Usually
>Ms. Rice attends, but this year she actually hosted it in her own home,
>the house that was featured in "The Witching Hour".  The news letter
>features exclusive interviews with her, as well as up-to-date notes
>as to her works in progress, and publicity events.
>  
>>Rumor here has it that she's working on a version of Frankenstein; perhaps 
>>someone else can enlarge on this topic (I'm a relative newbie here too). I 
>>think that this story was just made for Rice; can't wait to see it released.
>>---------
>
>I have also heard this, but do not recall if it was mentioned in one of the
>news letters.  I will try to check.
>

If you have it available, could you post information about her fan club? 


>
>eternally,
>
>Bil Gonzalez
>bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu

Thanks,
---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
From: alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire fangs
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:41:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <chil.724719364@sfu.ca> chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec09.210716.7618@sco.com> brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) writes:
>
>>>I imagine that if anyone wants to get teeth made they should talk to their
>>>favorite dentist, and see if they are willing or have ideas.  With a mold
>>>of your mouth, they should be able to do some amazing stuff.
>
>>About seven years go, when my dentist was discussing the propsect of 
>>porcelain veneers, I asked if he could make fangs. His saids, "Sure, I 
>>could do that, but why?" I just laughed and didn't explain.
>
>(This will mostly be of interest to people in or near Greater Vancouver...
>geographical pragmatism [did I actually write that!?])
>
>There's this store called The Underground, near Granville and Robson, in
>Vancouver. For C$45.00, you can get some vampire fangs made. Usually, they'll
>wait until there's about five people or so on the list, so plonking your money
>down won't necessarily get them done immediately. My name's on their list, except
>that I never got around to paying the $25.00 deposit, so I don't have any fangs
>myself, and can't report on how good they look or how comfortable they are.
>I don't have the number of the store on me right now, though I could look it up
>if anyone's interested.

The thing about porcelain veneers (in contrast to what you mentioned, near 
as I can tell) is that porcelain veneers are *permanent*. The dentist makes 
a mold of your tooth, and the porcelain is made to fit to it exactly. These 
are permanently cemented in place (well, maybe something happens to them 
after several decades, I don't know) and are now "part of your teeth". They're
kind of like crowns, I guess. Also, back when I talked to him, six front 
teeth, done normally, would cost about $20000. Yikes.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Rice characters bi or just intense esthetes? 
Keywords: vampire,gay, homosexuality, 
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:58:40 GMT

Anne Rice frequently refers to what might be the overtures of bisexual 
contact between her characters, but she also frequently mentions the fact 
that sexuality and fecundity are mortal functions that die with the 
mortal body; vampires are sexless creatures. 

But vampires are almost extremist esthetes, promoted by the sharpening of 
their senses as the dark gift progressively transmutes their bodies. 
Experiencing an object of beauty with all one's senses may be sensual and 
erotic, but these are deeply esthetic experiences rather than sexual 
explorations. I don't think that same-sex esthetic appreciation should be 
regarded as bi- or homosexuality; these require a sexual componant. 

(Forgot your name!) suggested that forming an alt.fan.anne-rice group might 
dilute participation by splitting discussion areas up unnecessarily. I'd 
suggest crossposting the vampire material to both newsgroups; no one would 
lose out this way, and it's easy enough to do. I think that more people 
would participate in an alt.fan group because it would be easier to locate, 
more obvious... we could even name it something obnoxious like alt.fan.anne-
rice.chomp.suck.mummy.spell to make it blatant to all what the group's 
about.  

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: mab7g@Virginia.EDU ("midori meech baer")
Subject: Re: Rice: Vampires and Mummies
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:58:25 GMT

just began the anne rice books and am loving every minute of
them.  am devouring them at the speed of light.  therefore am
neglecting schoolwork.  rice is worth it.

question:  what happened to armand?  he's my favorite and i am
sad that claudia died.-- i am only on book two.

meech
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: questions, comments
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:41:42 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec16.174622.9173@ultb.isc.rit.edu> wba2320@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>hmm...
>
>by the way... one of the questions you would need to answer...
>how do REAL vampires deal with the threat of AIDS being transmitted by blood?
>	condoms on their canines?  NOT!!!
 They can't deal with it at all,  and neither can the average vampire
hunter...that's why we've developed...Frank?  Thank you.

The Stake Sheath (tm)!  Worried that that hideous creature of darkness
may have a communicable disease coursing through their diabolically filled
veins?  No problem!  Just slip the Stake Sheath (tm) over your wooden
stabbing implement of choice.  [zzzzzip!] And you never have to worry
about it again!  Just be sure to dispose of them properly.  Available
in a choice of colors: black, brown, dark tan, and spearmint.  Ribbed
for their pain.

Mad Science.  Serving the needs of tomorrow...yesterday.

	Jason
From: christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Keywords: bite slither cleavage
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:49:20 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

>I return, lestat@cats.ucsc.edu reincarnate.
 
 
well ! welcome back... nuked eh? bummer
 
 
>As for my friend, Gabrielle, he still lives (or dies?) on and I haven't
>spoken or seen him in about a month. I am desperately trying to reach him
>but to no avail. I just got his new phone number and we'll see what happens.
>Yes vampires have telephones too. :)
 
 
Really? telephones?  gee and I thought they were just getting into Horseless
 carriages!  sorry I seem to be seething with sarcasm in recent postings... ack
 
 
>And as for vampires being voluptuous and ravaging women.... I would give
>anything to have a female vampire as a mate. I have a personal vendetta in
>life to prove that a vampire would not be a 'cold fuck'. Excuse the term.

Well I have no doubt that a female Vampire would be able to a> suck the chrome
off a bumber  b> exhaust a horny frat house in one night c> be quite a thrill
 
well until I lose this attitude I seem to have acquired... later
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: Rice: Vampires and Mummies
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.205825.13295@Virginia.EDU> mab7g@Virginia.EDU ("midori meech baer") writes:

>just began the anne rice books and am loving every minute of
>them.  am devouring them at the speed of light.  therefore am
>neglecting schoolwork.  rice is worth it.
>
>question:  what happened to armand?  he's my favorite and i am
>sad that claudia died.-- i am only on book two.

Armand reappears briefly in later books, but isn't a major character. I 
agree that he's a fascinating character-- like so many of her characters, 
superbly well- defined, 3 dimensional.

I suspect that there will be some kind of gathering in the next book, with 
greater roles for all the older vampires. 
---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
From: annaleen@garnet.berkeley.edu (Annalee Newitz)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Chelsea Quinn Yarbro
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:02:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Yarbro's vampire series

I posted here earlier, but my article was rather long, so I'm going to
briefly repeat my request (plea?) that someone please send me/post
a list of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's vampire books.  I know they are mostly
out-of-print, but I'd still like to know the titles so I can search for
them in used bookstores or the library.  Thanks!

Annalee


Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: alexj@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Alexander Jackl )
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 43
	<92347.135010JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> <2233@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:06:01


I ifnd it interesting that in his notes CHris Mason states that he thinks
"murder is one of the worst possibloe things that antone can do, and
someone who does it should be severly punished" at the same time say he would
not refuse the "Dark Gift".   

On what basis can one make that decision?  I would not bring myself to daily
 or weekly murder just so I can do osme "cool" things like change shape
or hypnotise people.  

I, for one, would be frightened if I met a Vampire and I owuld not chosse to be
one unless I were properly seduced (i.e. No, you don't have to kill people,
you just get thes epowers and live forever and just have to suck a little blood.)
Even then I would have to trust and believe the Vampire.

It is logical not to want to become a rotting, demonic predator that lives to kill
and will never see the sun!   (Now a Vampire that didn't have to kill.. hmmm...)

Alex
From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Keywords: lestat graphic comic
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:42:00 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) writes:

> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:
> 
> 
> >What's your opinion of the Vampire Lestat comic? I saw it briefly in a local
> >bookshop, sniffed and turned my nose up at it; it sold like wildfire, and, 
> >now that I'd like to get it, is nowhere to be found. 
> 
> I though LESTAT was ok in graphic form.  The artists' depictions of the
> charachters of course did not match what I had imagined the characters to
> look like.  Check comic book stores if you really want a copy.  It has
> been published by both the original INNOVATION company
> and BALLANTINE BOOKS.  I really don't like the others (INTERVIEW, etc.).
> The art and editing just don't do the novels justice.
> 
> 
> >If you have it available, could you post information about her fan club? 
> 
> I will do it as soon as I remember to find it.
> 
> eternally,
> 
> Bil Gonzalez
> bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu

Agreed.  The characters do not match the descriptions given
in the novel.  Note, however, that though Lestat doesn't look
as we expect, Anne Rice's dream cast for a Lestat movie would
include casting Rutger Hauer as Lestat (though he's much to
old to pass for a 20-year-old).  Look carefully at the depiction
of Lestat in the graphic novel: Bears more than a passing 
resemblance to Hauer, don't you think?  ;-)

-- Raven

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raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 338-9754
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin)
Subject: Re: Vampires and the Twentieth Century
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:43:34 GMT

In article <Bz9syG.ID9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:

>	 I have a little question regarding the current state of the vampire
>population.  You see, I have a small problem with believing anybody could
>become a vampire today.  Why?  It is not because I don't believe in vampires.
>I think there must be some basis to any legend that exists in over 90% of
>the world's mythologies.  The problem I have is that any vampire created
>today would never be able to rise.  The culprit?  Embalming.

[ Stuff about embalming/burial/morgues, including: found bodies have a
preliminary autopsy within 1 day, blood replaced with embalming fluid,
eyelids sewn shut before burial.  Later poster adds major joints
broken before burial also. ]

Heh.  I find it pretty amusing, considering all the hand-wringing
about "desecrating the bodies" the Church has done in backwater
countries where folks were afraid of the dead rising as vampires or
zombies, to learn that essentially the same things are done to corpses
in our "civilized" world...

Dunno whether embalming fluid would prevent a vampire from rising or
not; I've never run into a vampire who was willing to test the point.
:)  I would guess that sewing the eyelids shut and breaking the major
joints would do a pretty good job, though.  At worst, newly-made
vampires would be blind and unable to move enough to leave their
coffins to seek food...

Again, unless they have some way of healing from such damage.  Who
knows?

But still, you could get a few newly-made vampires.  Maybe quite a
few.  If I had to kill people with any frequency at all, I'd
definitely be inclined to hide the bodies.  Bury them in an
out-of-the-way place, at the very least (if not burn them).  This
would allow the opportunity for nascent vampires to rise; if the body
isn't found before the vamp rises, the morgue need never know.  If it
is found first, the parent vampire has problems of its own.

>	 And finally, if I were a mortician, there is no way I would miss the
>fact that a body is missing almost all of its blood, has two puncture marks
>on the neck, and has not exhibited much cellular deterioration.  I would
>immediately think "Vampire" and dispose of the nasty beast through a quick
>embalming, maybe adding some garlic or holy water to the syrum.

You might be amused by the episode of the TV series "Forever Knight"
(all the cheap melodrama allowed by law!) in which Natalie, the police
forensic examiner (I'm unclear on her exact title), meets Nick, the
vampire, in precisely this way. :)

>					     Karen

>(I'm not the Karen that is using Dan's account)

(Although you are named Karen, and you are using... oh, nevermind :)

>I am Karen, the Dark Mistress of Arctic Night


--
David Covin                           covin@despair.uchicago.edu
From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Keywords: bite slither cleavage
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:38:04 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel) writes:

> Sorry but I just HAD to flame on this... There very probably are Voluptuous(r
> as FAT) seething(read as sweaty) low-cut vamps(read as wearing trashy outfits
> out there... unfortunately there are not many (if any) VAMPIRES (male or fema
> out there.. speaking of which anyone here from our friend at UC Santa Cruz,
> Lestat? or his Vampire friend Gabriel?
> 

Well, Nadja -- the voluptuous, blood-sucking tart -- is a user
on my system here in Santa Cruz county (smart-host is scruz.ucsc.edu).
Izzat close enough?  Lestat and Gabriel, you say?

Myself, I'm still looking for those lost boys... and girls, of course...

Sending to you from Santa Carla,
Murder Capital of the World,

Raven

"How far are you willing to go, Michael?"

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raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 338-9754
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jordag@cary102.its.rpi.edu (VideoVamp)
Subject: Re: Vampires and the Twentieth Century
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:31:41 GMT

You assume a couple of things in your postings...
1) all bodies go through a morgue
2) vampires must be buried and then rise from the grave
You are correct on some of the morgue procedures...you missed the finer
points of breaking most major body joints for the same reason
you said eyes are sewn shut...Think about uncle joes body having
a muscle spasm at the viewing and sitting upright...

If a Vampire wants to create another vampire I assume the vamp would
snag the body a bury it somewhere...It generally takes police longer than
a month to locate bodies depending on the info they have. So actual if
one thinks for a minute the morgues actaul help vampires out in that
stupid mistakes dont result in new vampires. This all of course assumes
that a vampire must drain the blood from a mortal and then the mortal
(now dead) has to be buried and rise from the grave in a week(?) 3 days
(?) Im not sure on that point.

The word assume has been used a lot in this posting and the posting its
replying to and assuming makes: an (take first three letters of assume) 
 (take the fourth letter of assume) and (take the last two letters)

 
Xref: sparky alt.vampyres:1964 alt.horror.werewolves:238
From: tld@moon.base.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Stephen King's SleepWalkers
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: tld@cosmos.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore

Saw this movie last night, not bad ... It introduced an intriguing
`vampire' like creature called a `sleepwalker':  To quote from
the material at the beginning of the movie:

  Sleepwalker:  A nomadic shape-shifting creature with human
                and feline origins.  Vulnerable to the deadly
                scratch of the cat, feeds upon the life-force
                of virginal human females.  Probable source of
                vampire legends.

           Chillicoathe Encyclopeadia of Arcane Knowledge

The creatures in this one feed on the life-force of the `V.H.F's
in a manner similar to those portrayed in the movie `Life Force'.
The fascinating part, however, was the creature's (`SleepWalkers')
and cat's mutual *extreme* hatred of each other, even though the 
Sleepwalker's in their natural (!) form appeared as human-sized
bipedal tailess furless cats...

The other fascinating part of the movie was the cats:  How did
they train them?  Cats, IMHO, are notoriously untrainable - unless,
of course, they *want* to be trained for the particular trick...
...and the cats take out the female sleepwalker at the end of the
movie...

BTW - Stephen King appears in a cameo role as the graveyard 
caretaker....

As far as the quotation above, I assume the `source' is a fictional
book, much along the lines of H.P. LoveCrafts' Necronomicon...

In the (loose) context of vampyrism, I found the concepts acceptable
and thought-provoking in that there were some overlays in the
beginning of the Egyptian cat gods...

Also - during the closing credits, a very haunting, melancholy
melody is played:  Does anyone know what the name of the melody
is, and who composed it?

-- 
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 My wife let's me think my opinions are my own.  Bellcore doesn't care
 either way, and doesn't claim them anyway...
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