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From: sylvan@pyramid.COM (Sylvan Ruud)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Diet differences with your partner?
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:18:04 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California


Some of the discussions that have been going on about having been with a partner
for a while and getting into the "I don't know, what do *YOU* want to have"
scenarios brought to mind a "problem" that I have been having for a while.

I am a vegetarian, and find it difficult to deal with a lover who is not.  There
are a lot of reasons...  How they (the lovers) taste and smell, cooking two 
different meals, dealing with shopping issues (the smell of dead meat is rotten 
smelling to me, and I have a hard time being around it).

So...  How many GLBO folks *are* vegetarians out there?  How have you dealt with 
this? It seems like more and more folks are moving towards vegetarianism, but it
is just one more thing that makes it difficult to find that "special partner".

I suspect sometimes that there is a higher percentage of vegetarians in the GLBO
arena than the strayt world, but this is without any evidence at all :-)  Perhaps
it is just my wishful thinking!

Regarding the Amendment 2 stuff here in Colorado, a columnist in one of the local
Denver papers came up with an interesting idea recently.  I will bring in the
column and post the relevant parts.  I would be interested in hearing this
collectives comments on the proposal.

-- 

Sylvan Ruud                        Pyramid Technology Corp., Denver, CO 80202
sylvan@pyramid.com                 1200 17th St., Box 122, (303) 595-5528
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm)
Subject: Re: teeth
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:37:29 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>I'm wierd.

So I am.  Who cares? :-)

>							FJ!!
Daz.


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 "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish, sometimes."
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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 20:14:10 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
> They're EE issues if the company professes not to discriminate
> on the basis of marital status, don't you think?  Or are you
> using the term EE to apply only to federally-mandated stuff?

I'm using it in the area of equal opp. hiring; hiring 
minorities as well as wasp's.  If you use as an example of 
EE cases things like you're describing, it becomes something 
other than what it is meant for.  You might just as well say 
that if the ladies room has a bigger vanity than the mens 
room, then that is EE discrimination based on favoritism 
to women.  Generally, EE is a much more narrow focus. 

> Those companies and organizations that have implemented
> Domestic Partner benefit plans have come up with numerous ways
> to determine who is a valid DP

Progress...anyone have any examples of some?  Maybe identifying 
companies that do *not* yet have them, but who show evidence 
of not discriminating based on SP, and sending them samples of 
how other companies have solved the problem would cause more 
companies to offer DP benefits? 

Walter Smith
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:50:52 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) wrote:
> 
>Yeah, I get it. Do you get it?  Do you *get* that the reason I've 
>subjected myself to so much CRAP over this subject is to explain 
>WHY a lot of people voted for it, so something can be done about 
>the  misinformation that contributed to its passing?  

Then why are you preaching to the choir?  The amendment passed because
a powerful group of religious fundamentalists wants to control the thoughts
and actions of the entire nation.  As part of their agenda, they used a lot
of misinformation to disguise their bigotry and hatred, and a majority
of the voters of Colorado were not smart enough to realize what was going
on and voted away the civil rights of a large portion of the citizens of
your state.  It's that simple.  We all understand it.  It seems that the 
people you need to preach to are the people of Colorado, not the people of
soc.motss.

Nothing you say will get people to buy any product from the State of
Colorado they do not wish to buy, or to visit when they do not wish to
do so.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis)
Subject: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:15:17 GMT

Every once in a while I'll read on the local bboards in the places I
have accounts at, that Mr&Mrs so-and-so had a brand new baby, vital
statistics of the baby follow, and the message ends with how the
father is proud and the mother is resting at the hospital. The message
is invariably congratulatory.

So here are my questions:

1. Is it a het thing, and I just don't understand?

2. Is there something intrinsic to be proud of on the part of the
father? The only thing he has proven so far is that he has a working
reproductive system.

3. WRT #2 above, is the father being congratulated on his bedroom
prowess, and the mother on being fertile? (Of course, it could be
congratulating the father for putting up with his wife, and the mother
for actually going through the trouble of having a baby, but I somehow
doubt that this is the case).

4. Why do we never see such messages by same-sex couples? Or single
parents? Or adoptive parents? 

5. Am I the only one with the (suppresed) urge to post followups along
the lines of "who cares?" or "only 10 pounds? You can hardly make a
pot roast out of that!"

6. Should I really be working on finishing my thesis and not bothering
soc.motss with my morning (very late night, actually) bitchiness?

/ji

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From: jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:43:16 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Arne Adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:
 
> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
> > Besides, the New Year is upon us, and perhaps it is time for a
> > kinder, gentler _Splat Ex Splaticus_.
> 
> Oh dear.  If the New Year weren't upon us I'd take the time
> to point out that "ex" is followed by the accusative, not the
> nominative.

If it weren't that the New Year is upon us, I might
pause to wonder just who to trust when it comes to
getting the latin correct:

Matthew, who wrote (previously):
> 
> I think, however, that a casual jaunt through Vogue, et. [sic] al. 
> during the period in question ....

or my own sweet Arne, who corrected Matthew's
aesthetic analysis, but not his latin:
> 
> Well, I have indeed taken casual jaunts through Vogue, et. [sic] al.
> during the period in question, and what I've seen ....

On the whole, since the New Year is upon us [and
goodwill seems to be bustin' out all over], I think
I'll just check with Isaac and hope he whispers the
answer in my ear....

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.bbs.lists,alt.wanted.moslem.gay,soc.bi
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:40:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec31.004013.29293
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1htee7INN92n@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:


>
>>I've asked
>> you, both publicly and privately, certain questions.  You have not
>> deemed them worthy of response, but instead engage in ad hominem attacks
>> at will.

DITTO!!!!!

>
>'ad hominem' for saying you're blubbering?  

He called you a blubber then turns around and complains that
I am a flamer??????!!!!!

Please, I've gotten a lot 
>worse flak in this forum for my views.  As to 'questions' you've asked 
>and have not gotten answers to, if you really want them answered by 
>me, go ahead and repost them.

Don't waste your time...I have posted 5 times a question to him
in another area and he has talked about everything else (he is obseesed
with man with animal sex) but never my question to him....

  Try reposting them *seperate* from your
>blubbering (hate to see a good macro go to waste...) about me saying 
>gays want quotas, etc.   But before you do, either put up about my 
>claiming gays want quotas, or quit blubbering.

I have belonged to various gay political groups, read various gay
publications and have never heard about these quota things......


>
>Walter

Boy Rush must love this guy!!!!

Bil Snodgrass
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:09:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.152237.1124@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu 
(Melinda Shore) writes:

>oppression yourself.  I believe that you can sometimes fix
>automotive electrical problems by driving really fast
>across a bump.  I believe that you can sometimes fix
>hardware problems by power-cycling.  Sometimes tripping

But sometimes driving over the bump will make things worse, and so the
analogy is complete, in that Dworkin stands to wrong things just as well
to right them.

-Tom Albright

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From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:52:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>But what about those people that really struggle with their
>sexuality and really don't want to be "homosexual." 

Look, if they don't want to have gay sex, then they don't have to.
But I =ENJOY= being gay. I =ENJOY= gay sex. I =ENJOY= being just
a little bit different from the other sad, miserable sheep that
follow fascists blindly around the world.

If I want to be different, why can't I? How far is the leap
from "..those who want to be cured..." to "...the brainwashing
works, Igor, go round the =all= up, FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!"

I don't want to be "cured" because I don't have a disease. If you
want to be "cured" then go get brainwashed or pray or whatever you want
to do....


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: LOOKIN' FOR NYC QUEERS...
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Lincroft, NJ
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:53:17 GMT

In article <wfC8opu00iV1Q14dMf@andrew.cmu.edu> dk24+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Jason Kyle) writes:
>gentle readers...
>
>just heard an incredibly funny piece on NPR this morning called
>Santaland Diaries and it was written and read by a guy named David
>Sadaris.  
>
Good lord, this was so damned funny I was howling even as I drove. _The
Santaland Diaries_ concerned the author's stint as an elf in Macy's Santaland,
and it was truly brilliant.

It made me think of some of my own stints in the service industry. When I
was waitressing my way through college, I remember the customer who came
into the resaurant at the height of the Sunday brunch, and held up her 
fork. "Honey," she said, "would you please be a darling and bring 
me the fork with four prongs?" "What?" I leaned forward, sure that I had
misheard her. "The fork with four prongs," she repeated. "I know you have 
one, because I got that fork here once before. Go back and look, will you?
I just can't eat food with three prongs."

-- 
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From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:26:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <1hlktjINNdfc@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <mattm-271292142120@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>> Besides, the New Year is upon us, and perhaps it is time for a
>> kinder, gentler _Splat Ex Splaticus_.
>
>Oh dear.  If the New Year weren't upon us I'd take the time
>to point out that "ex" is followed by the accusative, not the
>nominative.
>

Really?
Whenever I've got a new ex, it's always followed by a sedative.

pauli.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:51:18 GMT

In article <1h8i7iINN6je@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) writes:
>
>In a previous article, mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE) says:
>
>>   Ok, when challenged, back up, find your sources, and repost...
>>From THE GAY BOOK OF LISTS, Leigh W. Rutledge, c.1987, Alyson Publications 
>>Inc., 40 Plympton St., Boston, Mass. 02118, p.42
>>   A brief summary of each of the five points mentioned in the book, (quoted
>>without permission, of course), is:
>>
>
>
>They're forgetting one: faggot/faggott/faggotto in various languages is the
>word for bassoon. (take a look at most musical scores for
>orchestral/operatic pieces)
>-- 
>From THE JAZZ BOOK: FROM RAGTIME TO FUSION AND BEYOND
>"There is something in music which is more than melody
> and more than harmony: music."
>				Guisseppe Verdi

Yes.  We've also forgotten that the "f-word" arises in cooking
and embroidery, referring to bundles of herbs and threads
respectively.

--Frank
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:43:04 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>I had intended to invite the Guru of Om-aha to sample the
>tasties of Madison,

Gasp! How wonderful! Me, you, and a NeXT machine! I could sit around
all day watching you compose posts. O bliss!!!

>but alas, I was whisked away to Ann
>Arbor for various festivities, and it would have been
>extremely rude to abandon the poor thaaang in this
>dreadfully cold town.  Why, the temp on this first
>bright day of the new year has risen all the way to
>6 (that's -14 for you celcians).

Jessie darleeng, I live in O'm'god. I'm used to that kind of thing.

>Perhaps when the daffodils are in bloom.  Hm, mayhap
>I will be in Californication at about that time.

Now I wouldn't mind visiting you *there* at all, nosirree bob!

John, who's wondered before how long he could spend hitchhiking
around the country visiting (and sponging off of) people before
he had to settle down and get a life...

(Goddamn, my skull is cold!!!)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:42:20 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Dec16.190330.21999@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>Too bad you're not a lesbian, or else you'd be able to
>bring in some sort of disgustingly texture-free grey
>casserole made of lentils, potatos, and rice in an
>earthenware container.

Make it half garlic and hot peppers, and bring some tortillas
to scoop it into, and people will be happy.  :-)

-- 
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From: jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Prigeon)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:15:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Muffin on Parade
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.motss

Chello again,

Shortly after my first post, I started to wonder if the endowment thing
holds the same fascination for lesbians?  From my observations, many straight
men seem to be preoccupied with it (my dad for one). 

Just kinda curious,
jap

PS  JD - you devil!  BTW, is it good to be compared to this Joe McIntyre
guy?  Yes, I know, I'm disconnected from pop culture, but what would you
expect from an engineer!  Le'ssee, where did I leave my pocket protector . . .
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Date: 3 Jan 93 07:42:26 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1993Jan1.162802.19162@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Perhaps when the daffodils are in bloom.  Hm, mayhap
>I will be in Californication at about that time.

Jess, I hate to tell you this, but the daffodils are *already* in bloom at
our house.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Looking out the window she saw Herbert, Albert, and Harold, the gardener,
an exceptionally well-made youth, disporting themselves on the lawn.
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:16:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> Well, Walter, if it's so damned tired why are __YOU__ the one saying
> that "quotas" and "special rights" were why amendment 2 passed?
> If you don't want to hear tired responses, don't make tired statements.

Because, that *is* why is was passed.  Why do YOU think it passed? 

> Walter, as long as people like you keep using phrases like "quotas"
> (and whereinthehell you got "quotas" from is a mystery to me) and
> "special rights", the situation will remain polarized.
> If you're so concerned about a rational discourse, why not quit using
> blatant falsehoods in your posting?  WHERE DID THE "QUOTAS" THING
> COME FROM?
> Or am I just talking to a rock?

You're doing a fine imitation of a rock, I'll say.  Where did the 'quotas' 
thing come from?  I've gone over and over that in numerous posts.  It is
IN THE AMENDMENT.  And its being in there is a main reason it passed. 
That is what I am saying.  I am NOT saying that gays DO want quotas, or 
that quotas existed in the past; what I am saying is that because of the 
frequent comparisons by gays to blacks, people can be led to believe that 
gays want quotas.  That is what happened; that is why the writers of #2 
put the 'Q' word in the amendment, and that is why it passed.  I'm not 
saying it is good, I'm not saying it is right, I'm saying IT IS.  If you 
have a problem with that, I don't know what I can say to make you 
feel better.  You just seem intent on ranting for the sake of it.  

Walter
 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:25:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.003143.5761@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
>
>You know, I think my Cabal Decoder ring is plenty hosed. No matter how
>many times I input this secret message that's been cleverly disguised 
>as e-spittle, I just can't seem to get anything reasonable out. Fess up, 
>gang -- who changed the key and forgot to tell the rest of us?

Polly, don't be silly, the standard rules of garbage in - garbage out still
holds.  

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Melmon Method (was Dworkin)
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:14:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <mattm-221292152459@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>The feministas have been tripping over themselves to come up with
>these inane - yet 'controversial' - gimicks.  My favorite: 
>
>  A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
>

Where did this line come from?
The first time I heard it was in a U2 song. 
Does it have a prior history in the "feminista" movement? 
And there I though U2 was being so clever.

pauli.

P.S.  I think it's a great phrase.  Puts all those men who think they're 
      Goddess's gift to women but have no concept of what women really need
      or want right in their place. (Note: all those men who... != all men)

P.P.S. Are you going to call me names now? 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:11:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.183925.13365@spdcc.com>
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>but this is more a nod to Jess'
>comment ages ago about clithes that never go out of style.
                        ^^^^^^^
Inquiring minds may want to know: is there a syllable
boundary between the 't' and the 'h?'

That would certainly help it stay in style, whatever it is.

But mayhap you were merely inspired by the purloined reprint
of Max's Chaucerian tales?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:37:57 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

> How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
> found Usenet, or later?

I followed all the discussion in net.news about the creation, and then
when the newgroup message arrived I started reading it.  How else?

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

In the interval before dinner she perused an album of instructive
chromolithographs entitled "Die Sieben und Dreissig Wollueste" which
Lady Celia had thoughtfully set out.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Age-ism and the gay community
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:10:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec20.172122.5221@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

> Preamble 1:
> Preamble 2: 
> Preamble 3: 
> Preamble 4: 

[300 lines deleted]

Amazing!  You've solved the original posters problem, Jezeboo.  By
the time he finishes with what you have to say about the problems
of being 18, he won't have them any more...

*X*