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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 92 14:54:54 EDT
From:         david j reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Import SLS to Lingua
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Hi folks:

This question is based on my copy of Lingau *beta*, not the final
release.

I have a 5 page document which makes liberal use of cellular tables.
This is roughly what we've got:

Col 1   Col 2                 Col 3                Col 4
Bold    Normal Hebrew         Normal Greek         Normal Roman
Roman

I just tried importing this document to Lingua. Wherever the Greek or
Hebrew is *outside* the cellular tables, it was handled fine. However,
the tables (quite a few hours of work there!) are a mess. Does anyone
know of a way to have the tables come across properly? or doctor them
in a relatively pain-free operation so that they display properly?

An aside: I received assistance last week from Paul Bodin on printer
installation. The menu-driven process has its enigmatic elements. But
the end result is worth it! The fonts downloaded to the HP III are
truly beautiful!

David.
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Wilfrid Laurier University                           Fax: (519) 886-9351
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 21:43:28 EST
From:         Michael Obuchowski <BELL@NYSPI>
Subject:      Re: NB 4.0 and Ibid
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I have been using both Ibid & Ibid Plus with NB4 for a few days now.
Although I had a familiar "Free memory and retry" message when trying
to generate a bilbiography on my desktop, it worked fine on my laptop,
where I played around with the setup to get more memory.  Otherwise, it
works great. Rumor has it that the new Ibid is going to be ready "soon".

To change subject.  I am having serious problems with NB ORBIS.  The problems
vary, but the most common result is a gentle tap on the red RESET button
on my pc.  Anybody else having similar problems?

                                             Michael

P.S.  I just tried to see what happens this time. When I pressed CTR-ALT-F4,
      I got a bunch of floating higher ASCII characters on the screen.
      And here goes the red button again! :-)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:49:20 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: end-of-file markers
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Mateen Elass writes:

> Does anybody know where I could download a nocz.zip file to get rid of
> unwanted end-of-file markers in a file?  I know Dorothy Day downloaded
> such a program a few months ago, but I haven't been able to figure out
> how to make use of that.  If I could download it directly from a mirror
> site, then I would know how to proceed.  In the meantime, I have a
> valuable file I can't do anything with because of some rogue EOF markers.
> Any prompt help would be much appreciated!

The file which Dorothy posted must first be decoded with some such
program as UUDECODE.EXE before it will be usable.  If your copy has
been somehow corrupted it may be downloaded directly by ftp from
wsmr-simtel20.army.mil or any of its mirror sites.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Subject:      Re: Is NB4 (much) slower?
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Paul Bodin kindly reminds me of the fact that (of course) NB is a text
editor and not a graphics editor (like Ami Pro, etc.): sorry that my
question seemed to imply that. I was referring to the possibility of
switching between several "Symbol sets", one with italics on screen
(which is hardly pure text mode I suppose) and 8 colors instead of 16,
and the fact that --unlike in NB3-- when one switches out to DOS and
comes back, one sees the fast message "resetting video..." flashing
by, which also seems to suggest that some special "video" operation
is going on (which may have nothing to do with graphics --about which
I don't anything).

My only point is however: Is the new NB4 simply slower in text editing
itself, as one may see by doing e.g. simple typing, scrolling, etc. I
notice a marked difference on a 386 20 MH machine, and wondered whether
the larger program, different coding, different overlay structures, or
whatever other new goodies we now have, have made NB4 slower than NB3,
which would be a serious price to pay, since one of the major advantages
of NB over its competitors is its speed. Question: did anyone do some
objective "measuring" of NB speeds for some major operations? I have
noticed the difference most notably when typing up text and when arriving
at the bottom of the screen, when the text above must "move up": this
is very sluggish. Maybe all this is because I have tinkered so much
with NB.HLP, NBCUSTOM.SET, printer files, etc., that I have made a
mistake somewhere which slows down the system. However, my experience
is that if you make mistakes things don't work at all, or erratically,
and do not simply slow down. So, I would very much welcome some testing
of various operations by other NB4 users. Thanks a lot.

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl
For NotaBene messages: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl

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From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Counters
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Sorry to clog up the network.  I just printed to disk with the PostScript
driver designated and reviewed the file.  The results were as reported
before, i.e. the first C1 thinks that it is 2. and its lead is followed
by the counters under it (though they know that they are the first of
their ilk).  From the second C1 on, all is correct.  So, the printer
file can print 1s in response to a counter.  The first C1 is wrong and
all others are correct.  I know that this can't possibly happen, so
don't be bashful about questioning my sanity.

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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 09:36:00 CDT
From:         Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject:      NB 4.0 and Ibid
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Can anyone report whether NB 4.0 works with the current version of Ibid
properly?
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 13:55:48 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Multitaskers
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In answer to Michael Shalev's inquiry about multitaskers:

OS/2 is much the more elegant of the alternatives you mention, but 4
megs of RAM is only marginally enough and would create quite an
unsatisfactory installation.  With memory costs in the US at $30-35
(mail order) per meg, upgrading to 8 megs is not an onerous expense,
but I don't know whether that is the case in other countries.  I am
very happy using NB, my communications program and LBase (a CD-ROM
text concordance program) under OS/2, but I have much more than 4 megs
of memory.  OS/2 also requires 15 to 30 megs of hard disk space
(depending upon what services you install), although some of that can
be recouped by removing DOS and Windows from the disk after you have
achieved a stable system configuration.

Given an unchanged hardware platform, DV/X is probably the most
practical of the alternatives.  It will multitask DOS apps with
considerable stability, enables communication in the background, gets
along swimmingly with "only" VGA graphics and uses less machine
resources than OS/2.  It is also considerably faster than Windows,
which is not really a good choice if you want primarily to multi-task
DOS applications (although 3.1 is some improvement in that regard).

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:58:18 EDT
From:         "Tony St.Quintin" <100034.756@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Top Margins
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Users of HP LaserJet printers should be aware that their printer has a
perforation skip (sic) which, by default, is ON.
This has the effect of positioning print where you don't expect it by
*rational* reasoning.
NB's default TP and BT settings are a cop out!

Opinions?

Tony.

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              92 10:16 am


> Avril Henry writes:
>
> > > .................................. Similarly, SLS will not
> > > work with 4......
> >
> > What? Aaaaargh! This is terrible news. Is there a forecast for
> > improving this situation?
>
> Of course SLS does not work with NB4.  That is what Lingua does!  SLS
> for NB3.0 doesn't work with NB2.x either.  Why is this "terrible news"?

Because we haven't a site licence for Lingua, my colleagues and I
cannot afford to buy it individually, and we had hoped to go on
using our SLS with NB4.......

Avril Henry
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 92 23:43:22 -0400
From:         Tirzah Meacham <meacham@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: fear of the eschaton
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              Sep 8, 92 9:50 pm

For Wayne Meeks,

There is little gain if work is already is completed-- in then
translating to NB4. But if you need camera ready- copy of Hebrew texts
(not the odd word here or there) Lingua printing is a must. Greek is
fine in old NB 3.1-- the real difference is in Hebrew. If you print
through laser timesXRoman, NB3 will offer more flexibility in size of
fonts unless you purchase new NB4 fonts as add ons. All in all, except
for lengthy Hebrew text, NB3 will produce fine results. I brought a
Hebrew text into NB4 and only because of Paul Bodin's coaching went
through the agony of printing a text which was 75% footnotes.

Why fear the eschaton before the Messiah has arrived the second time,
the old law can still save and even store.

Herb Basser

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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 09:49:16 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      nb4 and Ibid; multitasking and video trashing; NBKEY.exe
              (enclosed)
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This is a multi-subject post:

About the error messages when using Ibid w/ NB4 (it
says to "install IBID files" when you clearly _do_
have Ibid., I too receive this; I chalked it up
to "pre-release" lapses in the version I have,
about which I have written previously (my nb.com
and nbedit.exe are dated 8/20/92).  However,
those messages are just to make your life crazier
than it is; if you have installed Ibid from
the get go while installing NB4 (or listen to
that spurious message and _re-_install Ibid),
the message in the "set-access-ibid" will
_still_ be something like "cant find . . .
install Ibid."  Ignore it, trust in what you
have (more or less), and just go ahead and start
using Ibid.

b) Windows:  after having everything running
smoothly w/ procom and NB3 (the only two apps
I like to hve open at once), now, under windows 3.1,
I can run either ok, and exit ok; when both are
open (ive tried all permutations of opening and
quitting) whenever I quit _the last_ one,
I get s big stop sign from windows, some
kind of "general application error" and
a "please quit and reboot", upon which it
lets me quit whichever app was last up,
quit windows, and the returns me to
a locked computer.  The apps run, and I
can switch from window to window,
but surely something is amiss.  Does this have
to do w/ the video routines in NB4.  (BTW,
techsupport people at 386MAX told me _not_
to have the mono display area ("unused" in my
setup) transferred over to UMB), because some apps
make calls to it anyway.  Is this going on?

c) nbkey.  As above re "who gets what in which release",
I _did_ receive nbkey.exe; mine is dated 5/20/92, and
is enclosed below in zip and uue format.  Its no great
shakes (the recently uploaded and darn useful Findkeys,
(Im sorry my Amsterdam friend, I forgot how to spell your
name), along w/ a utility on this list (also i forget the
name, i think its by Tony), will do the trick.  I run
nbkey.exe from dos, w/ nb not loaded.  In addition,
none of the control keys (escape, etc.), can be re-mapped
using the version of nbkey.exe I have (or any of them,
for all I know).

I now see I didn't follow my mainframe's syntax correctly in
preparing a file for inclusion in a letter already begun.

Will send nbkey.exe (in zip and f=uue) in a followup instanto.

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:46:41 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Multitaskers
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Robert Braham writes:

> You can get rid of DOS and still run DOS apps under OS/2?

Absolutely.  Under OS/2 2.0 you can run DOS apps without an installed
DOS, and Windows 3.0 apps without an installed Windows.  OS/2 emulates
both very well indeed.  In fact for most purposes OS/2's DOS emulation
is not distinguishable from MS-DOS 5.0.

Windows 3.1 emulation is due out this Fall.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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From:         "J-P Takala, PL35 00931 HKi, 3432619" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Ctr-ScrL bug, DesqView
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To Michael Jasper's question:
Yes, the Ctrl-ScrollLock bug (definig two words instead of one)
only occurs under Desqview.  Changing (DV) keyboard conflict setting
did not help.  As I said, using Ctrl-F12 instead of C-ScrL solves the
problem, both in 3.1 and 4.
The other problem, Ctrl-Del eating up also the word that was to be
saved, also happen(ed) only under DV - and I suspect it will turn up
with NB4, too, once I start working more seriously with the new version.
For this, I haven't found a readily available alternative key, but
the solution to the other problem suggests that just assigning the
Ctr-Del definition to another key might be enough.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:27:25 CET
From:         Harry Falk <FALK@IBM.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>
Subject:      page length, orphans and foot notes
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this may sound like a FAQ, and maybe it is, but I could not trace
help in the NB archives at taunivm, although related questions turned up.
I want to print with HP IIp and I consider a consistent page length more
important than any lead-letters-ideologyorphans or widows. So, instead
of the 3 values for page length there is only one at the top of the file:
PL 63. This works fine, with lots of hairraising orphans and other
monsters. When the first footnote comes everything stays fine. But all
succeeding pages, without footnotes, behave as if there were a footnote,
i.e. they become shorter.
HELP, urgently needed...
Harry Falk
falk@ibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 17:49:20 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      ez-btm03.zip
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I have uploaded a new version of my BTM files
under the name

ez-btm03.zip

Itamar E-Z

PS. I will shortly upload the same file on Simtel20, but
I am waiting to get permission from Robert Chung to include
two very useful batches modified after his versions.
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From:         M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      end-of-file markers
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Does anybody know where I could download a nocz.zip file to get rid of
unwanted end-of-file markers in a file?  I know Dorothy Day downloaded
such a program a few months ago, but I haven't been able to figure out
how to make use of that.  If I could download it directly from a mirror
site, then I would know how to proceed.  In the meantime, I have a
valuable file I can't do anything with because of some rogue EOF markers.
Any prompt help would be much appreciated!

Mateen Elass  (m.a.elass@uk.ac.durham)
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I yesterday mailed both FINDKEYS (an XPL that helps you find the right
keys in the NB.KBD file easily so as to speed up customization) and
the BIB-IBID.EXE (a program --written in Pascal that changes APA style
bibliographies in more or less acceptable IBID record .DAT files that
can be used by IBID: does in a few minutes what a retyping in IBID
would take probably months if you have a large bibliography. Only
works for common APA style entries like books, articles in books,
articles in journals, reports, etc. but not for more unusual items.
Also, not all Record categories of IBID items are used) to Tel Aviv.
I hope they will be useful.

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl

(for NB mail: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl)

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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: transparent? etc.
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Bob Kelly writes:

> Paul Bodin's posting on Lingua printer installation led me to start
> wondering.  Perhaps Paul or some other Lingua beta person knows.  In
> Lingua will I be able to use both my 24-pin and a laser?  Will I be
> able to print-to-disk and then take the disk file to print on the
> university's HP III?

Yes, you can definitely use both types of printer off the same
machine--just activate the appropriate driver when the time comes.  I
don't know whether the print-to-disk function will do what you want
because I haven't tried.  I'm using Lingua under OS/2, which makes it
very easy to redirect printer output to a file instead of the printer
port, so that's what I use when I need to do what you ask about.

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 17:21:06 IST
From:         WATTS@BUTLERU
Subject:      Re: NB 4.0 and Ibid
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I second the request for a report on whether NB 4.0 works with
the current vision.  Likewise, does Ibid-plus work with the
new release?

Bill Watts
watts@butleru
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Columns
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Michael Dick writes:

> I just finished a brochure in landscape with three equal width columns.
> Although using landscape is easier in NB4, the columns still leave much to be
> desired! The cursor control leads readily to cursing. There is little
> predictability in the way the cursor behaves. I think it would be preferable
 to
> have only one column on display at a time and to toggle between columns like
> windows (windettes?). The way the three columns disappear into each other with
> a hyperactive cursor to boot is virtually psychedelic (spelling?, where's my
> checker when I need it?)

Unfortunately this is bound to be a problem while using a text mode
program to display copy that is not monospaced.  The source of the
problem is that with proportionally spaced fonts one can often produce
lines with many more than 80 characters in them, and that proportional
character spacing does not neatly correspond to the rigid divisions on
an 80 column text screen.  The problem is obviously aggravated when
one uses a landscape orientation, where the line is already 10 inches
long and could not be properly represented even with a monospaced font
without making decisions about what to leave out.  Michael suggestion
makes sense (the "windettes")--I wonder how difficult it would be to
implement?

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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