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From: stevens@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens)
Subject: Re: Newport FF
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:31:22 GMT
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In article <51698@dime.cs.umass.edu>, DanN@juliet.cs.umass.edu (Dan Neiman) writes:
|> 
|> So, in summary, the Newport Folk Festival was ... OK.   Not bad.  Not 
|> great.  Good music, nice surroundings, high cost, crowds.   Maybe I'm just 
|> getting cranky in my old age...
|> 

I agree 100% with everything you said.  The Saturday date was
oversold, overpriced, understaffed.  It took us over 30 minutes to
just get in the gate!!  I find it kind of hard to enjoy the music when
the logistics are so annoying.  The weather was excellent, though, and
so was Bruce Cockburn's guitar playing.

I guess I also enjoyed Newport somewhat less because of the excellent
Falcon Ridge Folk Festival, which I had attended two weeks earlier in
Hillsdale, NY.  The gate price was about the same as Newport, but
there was free parking, free camping, two stages, plenty of room to
spread out, great weather, good booths.  And the acts were great:
Patty Larkin, John Gorka, The Story, Bill Morrisey, Odetta, and lots
more.  Oops, maybe I shouldn't publicize this one too much, it might
become commercialized like Newport.

--andy s.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: pjr@splash.Princeton.EDU (Peter Rayner)
Subject: Nick Drake revisited
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:29:57 GMT

This is only really a continuation of a thread for those with a
prodigious memory or an automatic archive.    A few weeks ago I picked
up "five leaves left" at my pusher (sorry used record store).  This
note is just to tell those who might have been avoiding this record for
its much-touted morbidity that I at least didn't find it nearly as
despairing as I was told.   It's much closer to my couple of John
Martin or Dave Evans records than to Leonard Cohen.
 The musicianship and arrangements are also
pretty damned good to this ear.  I've rarely heard massed strings used
this thoughtfully away from symphonies.  In short I'll recommend it
(as has almost everyone else to be fair).  It's not exactly dance music
but it shouldn't turn a bad day at the office into a suicide attempt.
If you want one of those ... wait for my next posting.
-- 
Peter Rayner Program in Oceanic           | "All right, I retract, the 
and Atmospheric Sciences Princeton        | Honourable Member does *not* have
University                                | the brains of a monkey." F.Daly
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From: ellene@microsoft.com (Ellen Mitsue Eades)
Subject: Re: Hammered Dulcimer question
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:00:28 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Aug9.164859.5633@news.nd.edu> bkelly@joplin.helios.nd.edu (b kelly) writes:
>I've just been given an old hammered dulcimer which is missing its
>hammers and one string.  I am told that the remaining strings are
>about 17 years old, so I will probably have to replace them as well.

Just because the strings are old does NOT mean they need to be
replaced.  My "good dulcimer" has strings almost 7 years old 
that sound as good as new; my "travel dulcimer" has strings
that are 12 years old, ditto.  If you don't need to replace 
them, don't replace them; unlike guitar strings, dulcimer strings 
last quite a long time.

If you DO end up replacing them, do it one at a time to prevent
warping of the board (removing all the string tension at once
is a good way to ruin your dulcimer).  Make sure the strings you
get to replace them are of similar gauge so that the tension 
remains constant.  

There's a guy who has a record and booklet set out on building
hammered dulcimers, available from Folk-Legacy records: old
geezer with old geezer dulcimer, very recognizable.  Someone
help me out (Randy???).  You can also contact various builders
by getting their phone #'s from an issue of Dulcimer Players News,
which Elderly should be able to provide you.  If not, contact
Dusty Strings Dulcimers (206) 634-1656 and ask who distributes
their dulcimers in the Joplin area.

Good luck, 
Ellen Eades
-- 
Ellen Eades					Microsoft Corporation
"Just call me F.G.M.  I hate excess verbiage."  _Twice Upon a Time_
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Fingerstyle" Guitarists
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:57:22 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software, Santa Cruz CA

In article <16or1fINNnbc@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>Okay, a few people share my natural distaste for the
>term "fingerstyle" guitarist, but it seems most on r.m.f
>don't seem to get it.  So, I will try to explain.
>
>o Firstly, "fingerstyle" isn't a word.
>
>o Whether one plays guitar with one's fingers, a flatpick, fingerpicks,
>  or just a brush strum is a matter of *technique*, not *style*.
>  One can play many styles of music without a pick.  There is
>  no such thing as "fingerstyle".  Wes Montgomery played with
>  only his thumb.  Does that make him "thumbstyle" ??
>
>o "Fingerpicking" is more descriptive.  This means, you
>  are using your thumb and at least a couple other fingers; and
>  you are not using a flatpick.  A fingerpicking guitarist may or
>  may not use fingerpicks.   "Fingerpicking" has been common
>  terminology for at least 20 year that I know of.  It means exactly
>  what it says: you are picking the strings with your fingers.
> 

	Whether you like it or not, the term "fingerstyle" is used to 
differentiate their playing from flatpicking.   It is probably because many
of them use chord melody like Joe Pass and other jazz guitarists as well
as the fingerpicking style like John Fahey.    Certainly Chet Atkins
uses the term.

	I am sorry to name drop, but I was talking to Eric Schoenburg (no big
deal, he has a music store) last week and he seems comfortable with the term.
Duck Baker, John Knowles, Peppino D'Augostino, Pierre Bensusan, Murial
Anderson and others I have talked with or taken lessons from all use the term.

	In fact, if there as anyone reading this who is not overly pedantic
and does not let form completely dominate substance, he or she might want
to take:

	Fingerstyle Quarterly
	P.O. Box 120355
	Nashville, TN 37212

It is $60.00 per year.    It is a magazine and a tape with several lessons,
great songs, theory, arranging.   Often the articles read "I was working
on a song, so I went down the street to my good friend, Chet Atkins, and
Chet came up with this . . . "

He has the music and tab and also a tape of the music.   He transcribes
Lenny Breau, Jerry Reed, Chet Atkins and more good stuff.    When I saw
John last week I asked him to look into getting Murial Anderson's killer
version of Nola.   We shall see . . .

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Subject: Re: DeDannan recommendations
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:45:32 GMT

> There is another released around 1984 which is very good but its name I cannot remember.  It has a picture of rural scene on the front, and features Martin O'Connor playing some fine accordion.  Mary Black is the vocalist.


The album is "A Song for Ireland"
From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Words to Jute Mill Song, please
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:59:55 GMT
Organization: Dundee University

Chorus:

        Oh dear me, the mill gangs fast
        the poor wee shifters canny get a chance.
        Shiftin bobbins coarse and fine
        they fairly mak you work for your one and nine.

Oh dear me, 
the worlds ill-divided
them that works hardest
are always ill-provided
we must shift and (????)
dark days and fine
to feed and cloth our bairnies
off of one and nine

Chorus

I can't remember the other verse. The song was written by Mary Brookesbank
who worked in the mills in dundee. Her collection of poetry is great, and
many of them have either been written to older snatches or set to music.
One of the most popular is The weavers wedding. My favourite is the love song
to a piper.
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: typical irish music ?
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:08:31 GMT

In a prior article, Herve Moisan (moisan@cicb.fr) writes:
> can somebody say to me what groups are the best irish groups (or
> scottish)?
> 
> i want to buy some tapes and i have no idea which one are the best ...
> (CLANNAD , THE CHIEFTAINS ?)

Early Clannad is more traditional, and is very good imho. Later Clannad
(Magical Ring and beyond) is more modern, and is also very good. Some
label their later work with the hated moniker "pop sellout", but I seem to
like albums that other people describe as pop sellouts, so what do I know.
Definitely worth looking into, but I'd suggest that you try to borrow an
album or two from someone before taking the plunge and buying anything.

Enya is also good; she's much more new agey and much less traditional Irish.
Very good stuff, though.

Silly Wizard is an excellent Scottish band. Live Wizardry (a CD collection
of their Golden, Golden and Live in America albums) has most of their really
good songs, but other albums are worth checking out as well.

I have very limited exposure to the Chieftains, only heard a few tracks once
or twice. I remember them as sounding ok, but they didn't make me want to
run out and buy lots of albums. I didn't listen very carefully, though.

Main advice: borrow and listen before you buy. Tastes vary a lot in this realm.
-- 
original text by Josh Smith    ::   Comments, questions, etc. welcomed
irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu   ::   #include <std.disclaimer>
"If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll
look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy."
From: marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Info about "World Cafe" radio program?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:00:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I was wondering if I could get some info on the "World Cafe" radio
program. I've seen some past posts about it but, of course, now that
I need to look at them, I can't get to them. What type of music do they
feature? Is it live or do they feature an artist's works? Where are
they based?  Any other info on it would be appreciated.

Thanks for any info. 

	-Randy Marchany
INTERNET: marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lakes of Pontchartrain lyrics/music?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:32:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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In article <1992Aug12.100028.25169@hemlock.cray.com> robd@cherry09.cray.com (Robert Derrick) writes:
|(Patrick Denker) writes:
|>I am looking for the lyrics (and, if possible, the music) for a
|>song called "The Lakes of Pontchartrain."  It is the story of an Irish
|>immigrant's experience upon arriving in America.  This excellent song
|>appeared on the British TV special "Bringing It All Back Home"  ---
|>a special on Irish music that aired last summer.  It is sometimes known
|>as "Welcome, Kind Stranger."  Thanks in advance,
|>Scott
|>denker@acpub.duke.edu

In the discussion about this song a few months ago, everyone seemed to
just know the slow Irish-air-type version. The version I know best is a
fast up-tempo one (almost Cajun) by Martin Simpson, which IMHO fits the
tone of the words better. The words are also slightly different - whther
the changes were made by Simpson (doubtful) or he got them from another
source I don't know. Anyway, here it is (or, as close as I can make it
out from Simpson's singing!):
(and I'm not sure whether it's Ponchatrain or Pontchartrain!)

gordon
              -----------------


The Lakes of Ponchatrain 
(as sung by Martin Simpson )

Through streams and bogs and under bush, I made my weary way,
Though windfalls thick and devil's floods, my aching feet did stray.
Until at last by evening start, on higher ground I gained,
And there I met with a Creole girl, by the Lakes of Ponchatrain. 

Good evening to you Creole girl, my money is no good,
Although I fear the 'gaitors, well I must defend the wood.
You are welcome here kind stranger, my house is very plain,
But we never turn a stranger out, by the Lakes of Ponchatrain.

She took me to her mammy's house, and she treated me right well,
The hair around her shoulders, in them jet black ringlets fell.
I'd try to describe her beauty, but I find the words in vain,
So beautiful that Creole girl, by the Lakes of Ponchatrain.

Well I asked if she'd marry me, she said that could not be,
Because she loved a sailor, and he's far away at sea.
She said that she would marry him, and true she would remain,
Even through he never did comeback, to the Lakes of Ponchatrain.

So farewell farwell you Creole girl, I'll ne'er see you no more,
I'll ne'er forget your kindness, in the cottage by the shore.
And at each social gathering, a flowing glass I'd drain,
And I drink a health to the Creole girl, by the Lakes of Ponchatrain.
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitarist discographies
Date: 11 Aug 92 18:52:09 GMT
Reply-To: Reply-To: Rb@b@bs.com
Organization: Organization: Oes, an ASK Company

In article <1992Aug11.1<1992Aug11.1<52.52.59@t9@t9x.uucp>, neverisksksinteinteicp (Mike NeNeNky) writes:
>	Eric Schoenberg, Martin Carthy, Archie Fisher, Peirre Bensusan, 
>	Tom Ball, Rick Ruskin, Dave Laibman, Jorma Kaukonen, John Miller, 
>	Joseph Spence, George rge r Eps, Paul Geremia...

Heck, ck, cClapton.  Anyone else see him on MTV Unplugged?  I knew he
was good, but I honestly hadn't thought he was _that_ good.  The acoustic
version of "Layla" was to die for.

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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Seeking a good banjo book
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:36:45 CDT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <4547@news.duke.edu>, tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies) writes:
> ...lately I've been
> thinking that it might be better (and easier) to learn
> chords first, then add the finger rolls later.
> So I'm looking for recommendations for books that focus
> on learning chords
> 
> Thanks for your advice.
> 
> Tristan Davies
 
Sounds like you're a guitar player to begin with.  I would suggest
Dick Weissman's Banjo Chord Dictionary, Alfred Publishing Company,
1978.  It's one of those banjo-case size chord books and in my
opinion the best one for old-time styles (I imagine bluegrass
players have their own preferences).

	- Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
From: kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Kevin Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mo Mary
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:25:15 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

> In article <aa4gPB3w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Kevi
> 
> >When I was about four (yes, this is going back a few years) my parents 
> >used to play an album by Harry Belafonte with a Scottish song on it 
> >called "Mo Mary". Even though it was over twenty years ago I recall it 
> >was a hauntingly beautiful song. I'm looking for any kind of recording of 
> >it that exists, if anyone can help.
> 
> I think that one is called "Moon Mary". Yup - thats my favorite. Even
> better than the Banana Boat Song.
> 
> 	Down on the sea side by the Paling
> 	Moon Mary my beloved...
> 
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala
> Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU |    Frog is Frog ala Peach
> Bitnet:   NTAIB@IUBACS                 !

 
The song was definitely called "Mo Mary" on the album I heard it from, 
but it could still be the same song. The last line seems right at least.
Is this currently available?
 
KS

;--- (Kevin Scott) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ann Mortifee again (was: Re: Annie Haslam, Loreena McKennit)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:29:54 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.184020.1055@col.hp.com> judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller) writes:
|johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> I also wanted to comment on what I *did* find that day.  As I said I picked
|> up Maura O'Connell's "Helpless Heart".
|
|I just got it too ... it's my favorite album of hers.
|I was expecting "country" but I would describe it more as "a bluegrass feel".
|The instrumentation is really good.
|
|I'm crazy about the song "Summerfly" ...
|
|I now have 3 version:
|
|3)  Cheryl Weaver singing it on her album ... um ... something like
|    "Half a book" (sorry, title escapes me),

Since I bought the Maura O'Connell album based on your recommendation I
feel funny about correcting you on this.  "Summerfly" was written by
Cheryl Wheeler.

Just so the "bluegrass feel" description doesn't scare people off I'd say
the instrumentation might have a bluegrass feel but the vocals don't.  The
musicians have played a lot of bluegrass are amoung the better contemporary
bluegrass musicians.  

One more thing,  Maura looks *a lot* like a woman that I know, especially in
the cover shot.

Again, thank's for the recommendation.
-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
From: pataky@cs.umd.edu (Bill Pataky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Lyrics Request: Seven Daffodils
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:42:36 GMT
Organization: China Cat Sunflower Seed Company


Several years ago Johnathan Edwards and the Seldom Scene recorded
a song called "Seven Daffodils".  If someone could send me the 
lyrics to this song, I'd really appreciate it.



	Bill Pataky 		       Aeronautical Radio, Annapolis, MD
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From: neverisk@trintex.uucp (Mike Neverisky)
Subject: Words to Jute Mill Song, please
Organization: Prodigy Services Co.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:13:03 GMT

Can anyone help me with the words to the Jute Mill Song.
Starts out (I think):

	Oh, dear me.  The mill is turning fast.
	And we poor shifters can not get no rest...

Manythanks.


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ann Mortifee again (was: Re: Annie Haslam, Loreena McKennit)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:07:11 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <MARTIN.92Aug11073245@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:
>In article <13975@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|
|   
|   Last Friday I went into Tower
|   records and went through my list.  There were 18 things on my list and I
|   was only able to find two of them.
|
|What items did they _not_ have?  Maybe people out there can help you
|find them.

I asked.  Then again, this is the same store that has Loreena Mckennitt
in the "Ireland" international section.

As far as folk goes they didn't have:

Steeleye Span: Parcel of Rogues
Pentangle: Basket of Light
Frances Black and Kieran Goss
The Black Family (althougth they've had a card for it for months)
Connie Caldor:  anything
Connie Dover:
Judy Mayhan

In other genre's I was looking for:

Jerry Goodman: On the Future of Aviation (former violinist for Mahavishnu Orch)
Zazen:  with Joaquin Lievano and Andy West
Dead Can Dance: Anything but "Aion" and "Passage in Time" (already have them)
Enigma: (heard a bunch of good stuff about them)
Peter Seiler: Open Borders (newage/electronic)
Gowen:  with Tony Levin, Jerry Marotta 
Jean Michael Jarre: anything

|  Tower generally has a good stock of major folk labels
|(Fish, Rounder, Green Linnet, Shanachie, etc.?) but most folkies can't
|get a deal with one of these labels so are essentially on their own for
|distribution.
| Tower seems to stock a fair number of these artists' 
|private labels in Boston and Austin, for example, but I can't tell
|where you are from your address, and it may be different in places with
|a less vibrant scene.

The Tower I went to was in Campbell, Ca. (sillycone valley).  Tower has
"A" stores and "B" stores.  The "A" stores are larger and stock the non-rock
genres much better.  The Campbell store is a "B" store.  In some of the above
cases they had a card for the artist but there were no CD's.  In some of these
cases I've never seen a CD in that slot.

|Anyway, ordering directly from the musician or
|a folk specialist mail-order house would probably remedy much of your
|frustration. 

Got a name?

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Fingerstyle" Guitarists
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:00:33 GMT
Reply-To: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bt5BBr.GKK@rice.edu>, preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs) writes:
|> 
|> At least one book I picked up (but didn't buy) talked about
|> fingerpicking a a technique using a flat pick held with the thumb and
|> index finger to pick melody while using the remaining three fingers to
|> grab chords.  A jazz technique, mostly.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not true. There's an old country picking style that does the same thing.
And/or the reverse: the pick does bass runs while the fingers pick out
the melody on the treble. (Sorry I can't give a disk reference, it's been
a long time since I last heard the collection that had some of this
style on it.)
	terry friedman

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