HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: ott.general,sci.med
Subject: Re: To all people who keep fish as pets/whatever
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:22:55 EDT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

marc@fozzi.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Donovan) writes:

> I'm curious about that myself... it was my impression that canaries
> were used in mines to determine whether the air was safe to breath.
> If the canary died, you got the heck out of there!
> Now we are faced with the government treating water in such as way as
> to make it poisonous to fish.  Does anyone know of any studies done
> to determine the long term toxicity of chloramine to humans?  Or is this
> yet another case of the government using it's inhabitants as guinea pigs?

The problem with chloramine and fish is that chloramine is a glorified 
ammonia, as I understand it, and ammonia is very toxic to fish.

And it should be pointed out that they aren't deliberately making the water 
poisonous to fish... that's an unpleasant side-effect.

I noticed in the bird column this past weekend that the author mentioned at 
the head of the column that chloraminated water is not toxic to hummingbirds 
if you use it in a hummingbird feeder.

Chrloramine has been in use in Toronto for close to 20 years.  It's a very 
good water treatment agent (apart from the nasty effect on fish) because it 
is so stable.  If they put .1 ppm (or whatever the amount is) in at the 
plant, it will be very close to .1 ppm at my tap even though I am a fair 
distance away from the plant and that it takes up to 5 days for water to 
leave Britannia and pour out of my tap.
> 
> Also, how does the government intend to remove the chloramine before 
> dumping the used water into the river?  Or were they planning to?

I would imagine that the chloramine would be removed during the 
decontamination process at the sewage treatment plant if it wasn't already 
out of the water by the time it got there.

  --G

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From: ijg@data.doe.carleton.ca (Ibrahim J. Gedeon)
Subject: Test
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:16:16 GMT
From: artadi@archeru.UUCP (Dante Artadi)
Newsgroups: ok.general
Subject: Career Opportunity, Unix Admin.
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: artadi@archeru.UUCP (Dante Artadi)
Distribution: ok
Organization: Archer Business Products, Inc.



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This individual must have complete experience with SCO Unix SV or
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Newsgroups: bionet.software
From: klingler@stanford.edu (Tod Klingler)
Subject: Re: Kinemages for PC?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: bionet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:51:51 GMT

In <1992Jul29.134725.29791@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> Roman.Jerala@yu.ijs writes:
>My question is whether there is a version
>of kinemage program for DOS or UNIX based computers (like SGI) or perhaps
>even Macintosh emulator for PC.  

I just saw the DOS version of MAGE at the Protein Society meeting in San
Diego, but I didn't play with it since I'm Macintosh-based.  Jane Richardson
was there and said it was just one week old.  They still want to do some
debugging before releasing it, though.

In the June issue of Protein Science:  "We are hard at work on a PC version
of MAGE, running under Microsoft Windows 3, which we hope will be finished
and available by fall.  It will use the same kinemage files, including all
the ones published so far.  In the meantime, you can look at everything
else on the Diskette Appendix (text files, references, abstracts,
coordinates, tables, etc.) on a PC, if you do a simple translation into
DOS files.  Except for the MAGE and PREKIN applications, all other files on
the disketes are plain ASCII text files."

In the July issue of Protein Science:  "DOS-compatible diskettes will be
produced and distributed as soon as MAGE graphics software for Microsoft
Windows has been perfected."

Tod Klingler
Stanford University
From: waru@MAIL.BOKU.AC.AT (Walter Ruppert)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Subscribe BIO-SOFT
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:02:39 GMT
Distribution: bionet

SUB BIO-SOFT Walter Ruppert
From: lapointe@THORIN.UTHSCSA.EDU (David Lapointe)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Updating Restriction enzyme data for FSAP/BACHREST/..
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:59:46 GMT
Distribution: bionet

I tried using a REBASE data file to update the COMREST.DAT file
for FSAP/BACHREST. The problem was that for sites which are not 
symmetric ( eg ATTGCAAC) BACHREST *requires* 2 cut sites in the
data record in COMREST.DAT. 

So. Is there a source for restriction sites which has this additional 
    information? I might have been using the wrong REBASE file. It looked 
    right until I ran the program.


Thanks

 .david
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Newsgroups: bionet.software
From: brett_lindenbach@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (brett lindenbach)
Subject: whatswithblaze?
Organization: microbiology, univ. illinois
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:58:39 GMT

The other day I received e-mail from genbank with a release announcement
of BLAZE 1.0, a MP database similarity searcher. This message instructed
me to write back for a help file. As of yet, I have not received any reply
to my requests. Does anyone have this info? 
     Much obliged,
             Brett Lindenbach

e-mail: brett_lindenbach@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
From: CZJ@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Re:  Molecular Graphics on PCs
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:08:09 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Reinhard Doelz writes
> Sorry, but that sounds a bit dangerous. The term molecular graphics implies
> the use of graphics. GRAPHICS. Depending on what you want to achieve, I find
> that 8 bits are not suitable for usual molecular modelling. Even if so,
> you will need to have a better than VGA graphics anyhow. If you ever saw
> a good 3D representation of a molecule on a PC, I doubt that it was a protein.
> You might have looked at a peptide instead. Simple rotations get you the
> imagination of depth, but if it takes a couple of seconds to redraw the
> screen you can't call this 'animation' any longer.
>
> Talk about prices. If you purchase a reasonable 486 PC with, lets say, 450
> MB hard disk, streamer, CDROM , large screen, mouse, operating system
> and draft printer it will cost you about $ 8-10 K in Europe (if you buy
> clones). For twice the price you get a damned good workstation. If you
> buy a cheap version (i.e., small disk, no streamer, etc) you get down to
> about $15 K. However, this workstation has power to display molecules rather
> than throw them on-screen occasionally.
>
> Talk about performance. The MFlops are getting cheaper these days, and
> a workstation of today is old-fashioned tomorrow. So why buy a chip which is
> expected to be no longer to of the crop next year ? The successor is currently
> named P5 and will be shown in equipment at the comdex exhibition Fall this
> year.
>
> Concluding, I have a Indigo on my desktop and there is also a Mac.
> I have not invested in PCs because of price/performance on the LONG run.
> I think it's better to go the workstation road if you want to do
> modelling.
>
> --

I would not be so pessimistic.  I just bought a 486 33 MHz clone
without monitor or printer but with 4 Mbytes of memory, 125 Mbyte
hard disk, and CD-ROM drive for $1,800 stateside from my local
clone bank.  Addition of a 14 in high resolution monitor would
have added $ 300 to the price.I have run PCMODEL (as noted in my
previous message) and it will take a protein structure allow you
to zoom in, rotate, etc.  On a 486 this is fast.  The problem
with the program is that documentation is skimpy, an essential
file conversion program is missing, no support or maintenance.

Without koncking MACs or other workstations, PC's have finally
become real computers.  Missing is high quality molecular graphics software
at reasonable prices.

Jim Cassatt
From: REELEDER@ONRSDE.AGR.CA
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Reference managing software
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:04:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet


>Subj:	RE: REFERENCE managing program needed

>While we're on the topic, does anyone know of any reference managing
>programs for Unix or Vaxes? All the ones I've seen are for Macs or
>PC's, but there must be *some*thing out there for workstations and
>the like?

The reference program PAPYRUS has both PC and VAX versions. I have been
using the PC verion for 3 years and find it works quite well. Import
formats are available for on-line databases and custom import formats
can be designed. I use it to store references downloaded from Current
Contents on Diskette. Its a relatively inexpensive program (about $90
a copy I think). A new version is supposedly in the works. Its available
from:

Research Design Software
2718 SW Kelly St. Suite 181
Portland OR
FAX 503-241-4260
From: ray@uk.ac.le ("Dr R. Dalgleish")
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: XQS?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:34:49 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: bio-soft@uk.ac.daresbury
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0 (LUT)]

Has anybody any information about the database query program XQS? I believe
that it is a UNIX replacement for the PSQ package from NBRF. Can anybody help
with more info?

Thanks,

Raymond Dalgleish.
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14: 49:33 +0100
               Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14: 47:09 +0100
From: Roman.Jerala@yu.ijs
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Kinemages for PC?
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:47:09 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Content-Identifier: Kinemages for PC
Original-To: BIO-SOFT@uk.ac.DARESBURY

Hi,

Protein Science started to append diskettes which contain kinemages to
support and illustrate articles in the journal. This is certainly
an important step forward but the problem is that we don't have any Mac
at the institute and therefore cannot read simple text files and
even less display kinemages. My question is whether there is a version
of kinemage program for DOS or UNIX based computers (like SGI) or perhaps
even Macintosh emulator for PC.  


                           Roman JERALA

  ##      ##   ###         Department of Biochemistry
  ##      ##  ##  #        Jozef Stefan Institute
  ##      ##    ##         Jamova 39, 61000 Ljubljana, SLOVENIA
  ##  ##  ##  #  ##        E-mail: roman.jerala@ijs.ac.mail.yu
  ##    ##     ###         fax: +38 61 273 594
From: CZJ@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Re:  PDB files and manipulating them on a MSDOS machine
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:25:26 GMT
Distribution: bionet

>
> Greetings netters,
>      My boss (Dr. Carl Frieden) just returned from the Protein
> Society meetings in San Diego with an interesting acquisition.
> He handed us a CD-ROM disk with the Brookhaven Protein Data Bank
> on it. This has prompted us into getting a CD-ROM drive for our
> 486 machine.  What I would like to know is there any software out
> there (public domain, commercial, source code) for viewing and manipulating
> these data files on the PC. In the past we've been forced to use SGI
> machines in another lab to mess around with PDB files but it would
> be very nice if we could do something with them on our PC.  Please
> email any suggestions, I will post a summary.   Thanks  ;-{) Eric
> --
>   Eric R. Hugo, Postdoctoral Research Associate |eric@bcserv.wustl.edu
>   Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics|
>   Washington University School of Medicine      |
>   Box 8231, St. Louis, MO 63110_________________| (314) 362-3342
>
>

I have been using a shareware version of PCMODEL.  Check previous
messages regarding availability.  Included are two sample files
for chymotrypsin and B-DNA obtained from the PDB.  They can be
viewed quite effectively with a 486, less so with a 386SX and
poorly with an 8088.  What I have not been able to find out is
whether a program to convert PDB format to PCMODEL format is
available.  The main difficulty is generating a connect table.

There are also two versions of PCMODET, one a shareware version
and the other distributed by Gilbert at Indiana.  His version
does not have a conversion program.  I awaiting a response from
the author of the shareware program.

Jim Cassatt

Newsgroups: bionet.software
From: cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch
Subject: Ribbon diagrams of proteins on a mac
Originator: mark@agnew
Organization: Dept. Chemistry, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH)
Distribution: bionet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:48:51 GMT

Hi all,
Can anyone recommend a package that allows you to draw Richardson type
ribbon diagrams on the macintosh.  We would prefer something that is 
simple to use and free (obviously) but would pay for something that 
comes well recommended

Any suggestions gratefully received, thanking you all in advance.
Mark Cohen
cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch
From: CZJ@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Re:  PCMODEL
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:39:34 GMT
Distribution: bionet

> I was wondering on which server the PCMODEL program might be available.
> I followed the discussion about protein modeling and would sure like to
> give it a try.
> Can someone tell me where it is?
>
> J.deBoer
>

I have never seen it on a server.  I obtained it from
a place called "The Software Labs".  The cost is about
$ 4.00 for the shareware version.  Catalog number 394.
Telephone number 800-359-9998.

Call them give them a credit card number and it usually
arrives within 10 days.

Jim Cassatt
From: D31@EARN.TRANAVM1 (suleyman aydin)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: info on LDBASE --> biobit12
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:26:11 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: BIO-SOFT@UK.AC.DARESBURY


 
Someone was asking info / help on LDBASE.   Yes, LDBASE is really
very useful program for searching the other side of the world servers.
 
I used to use a lot (not recently..)
 
I can say that a lot of help can be find in BIOBIT12 which was written
by ROBert HARPER (from Finland).
 
I had that copy, printed and erased from all my disks (since I was starving
disk space, sorry..).   Other BIOBITxx(s) are also very much useful for
all of us..  Search and find.  Sure, they reside on some server...
 
Suleyman AYDIN (student of pharmacology)
Medicinal Plants Research Centre, Anadolu University/Univ. Anatolia 26470
Eskisehir / TURKEY
d31@tranavm1.bitnet
 *-*-  Ah, yes, I do search some sort of old-wives-rumours on my bench -*-*
From: rybicki@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Re: Reference Managing Program
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:32:46 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Jul20.050024.20242@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, BIONET@EARN.FRCGM51 writes:
>         Has anyone heard of an apparently similar package called "Reference
> Manager" from RIS (Research Information Systems) ?
>  
> ***************************************************************************
> J-L. Risler                             risler@frcgm51.bitnet


Yes yes yes....truly excellent!  Costs $500-odd, for PC or MAC, can import in a
huge variety of formats, full version will suck in from databases direct, can
pop up in MS-Word or other WP prg, can export in any journal format know (many
specified, you can easily enter others), can store 64 000 refs....  Very good
indeed, updates Archivist (from Oxford University Press) as a reference
archive, which I thought nothing ever would - although latter still the best
junk database around (random access, huge capacity, infinitely variable input
and output tho needs drivers written).

Ed Rybicki
Newsgroups: bionet.software
From: acc@basinger.inescn.pt (Antonio Costa)
Subject: Molecular graphics and ray-tracing
Organization: CG & CAD - INESC Norte
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:51:57 GMT


Hi.

There is a new version of the RTrace ray-tracing package (7.3.1) at
asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace
Please the PS part

I made important bug fixes and added new options, so it is expected to
behave much better.


Other programs and stuff:
- for DOS, I have ported Eric Haines NFF scene generators and our tools
  for NFF files (translator to SFF, clean, etc). They are available in
  directory pub/RTrace/PC-386/src
  The DOS port of RTrace is in pub/RTrace/PC-386 (rtrac731.arj and
  rtprogs.arj)
  There are also demo scenes and manuals...

Please feel free to get it and use it.
Hope you like it.

Regards,
Antonio Costa.

***** Molecular stuff *****
PS: I have also some converters for PC chemistry programs (CHEMICAL and
ALCHEMY) and for Brookhaven PDB files which generate SCN files.
If interested, tell me...

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From: broe@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Bruce Roe)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Re: gcg
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:32:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <199207232000.AA21353@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, ness@aecom.yu.edu (Seth Ness) writes...
>hi,
>we have GCG on a vax/vms system here. is there any way to print from GCG
>(or the vax) to a non-networked printer? in my case i use ncsa telnet on
>my mac and would like to print on my private laserwriter thats connected
>to the mac by localtalk(i'm connected to the vax by ethernet)
> 
>-- 
> Seth L. Ness                        Ness Gadol Hayah Sham          
> Ness@aecom.yu.edu                                                  

I have a similar setup, except I use VersaTermPro.  The Mac is on the
campus ethernet and the laserwriter(s) are on our Apple-talk network.
The AT-network is connected to the campus ethernet through a Kinetics
Fast Path box and we use the "chooser" on the mac to indicate which
laserwriter we want to print to.
Hope this helps............bruce
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From: WAGNERF@BRUNB.BITNET (Wagner Fontes)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: De-zipping
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:31:17 GMT
Distribution: bionet


 In reply to the message of Mr. J. L. Risler,

Tthre is a software called PK-UNZIP, that is used to decompress such
files. It is a sheraware, easy to find and easy to use.



Wagner Fontes
Brazilian Center of Protein Sequencing
University of Brasilia
Brasilia - Brazil
Newsgroups: bionet.software
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: BioQuest?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:28:29 GMT

Does anyone know what's up with BioQuest for the Macintosh?  They don't
respond to my email, though they are apparently almost ready to release
something.

Thanks,
Eric Bowman
Programmer, Reed College
bowman@reed.edu
From: POSTMAST@GUNBRF.BITNET
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: RE: XQS?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:20:54 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Distribution-File:
        ! BIOFORUM@genbank.bio.net,
        ! GENBANKB@genbank.bio.net,
        ! BIONEWS@genbank.bio.net,
        PROTEINS@genbank.bio.net,
        BIO-SOFT@genbank.bio.net

In <9207311454.AA09537@genbank.bio.net> ray@le.ac.uk ("Dr. R. Dalgleish")
asked
> Has anybody any information about the database query program XQS? I believe
> that it is a UNIX replacement for the PSQ package from NBRF. Can anybody help
> with more info?

XQS was the "in-house" name of the PIR eXperimental Query System, that has
now been released as ATLAS for VAX/VMS and PC/MS-DOS systems.  A UNIX port
is "in development".  Both versions of the ATLAS program were published on
CD-ROM with release 33.0 of the PIR at the Protein Society meeting in San Diego
earlier this week.

We will be making a more complete announcement of PIR news, including the
ATLAS program, availability of the PIR CD-ROM and changes to the PIR Network
Server, on BIONEWS (bionet.general) and PROTEINS (bionet.molbio.proteins)
on Monday, 3 August.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 Dr. John S. Garavelli
                                 Database Coordinator
                                 Protein Identification Resource
                                 National Biomedical Research Foundation
                                 Washington, DC  20007
                                 POSTMASTER@GUNBRF.BITNET
From: jdboer@SOL.UVIC.CA (Johan deBoer)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: LDBASE ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:45:52 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Can someone tell me how to get information on the use of LDBASE for
searching posted messages?
Thanks.
J.deBoer
From: POSTMAST@GUNBRF.BITNET
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: RE: XQS?
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:12:10 GMT
Distribution: bionet

In <9207311828.AA25192@genbank.bio.net> doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch
(Reinhard Doelz) said:
> Still, the current XQS version is VMS bound.

Thanks, Reinhard, but that is just the sort of disinformation that does nobody
any good.

As I plainly stated in my earlier reply, the program ATLAS (called "XQS"
internally while it was under development) runs under PC/MS-DOS as well as
VAS/VMS and a UNIX port is in the works.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 Dr. John S. Garavelli
                                 Database Coordinator
                                 Protein Identification Resource
                                 National Biomedical Research Foundation
                                 Washington, DC  20007
                                 POSTMASTER@GUNBRF.BITNET