From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:44:24 GMT

lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:

>The problem that worries folks here is things like "Will you be stopping the
>posting of X rated Apple II free software?  Politically incorrect software?
>Nazi software?  KKK software?  GreenPeace software?  Software which threatens
>lawsuits if you don't send money?  BrokenDemos (ie software which show you
>what they do, but don't let you save, print, etc.)?  I think you go a long
>ways towards defining this.

No, no, no, no, no, no, and no.

>>>The charter should specifically mention materials which are inappropriate,
>>>which would obviously include commercial programs.

>With the above statement in mind, does that help you understand what is
>being asked here?  Not 'what programs are inappropriate' but what types of
>things are you going to consider inappropriate.  Will games like that gs baby
>squasher be considered offensive and therefore inappropriate?

Did I ever mention once the word "offensive" in any of my posts (other
than this one)?

>>|Appropriate files shall mean virus-free Freeware, Shareware, or
>>|otherwise freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more
>>|Apple II or Apple III computers or their compatibles, their [programs']
>>|documentation, and their data files, excluding those files which are
>>|already covered by existing newsgroups' charters.  Submissions will

>What did you have in mind here - source code?  So if someone wants to post
>source along with the binary it will be rejected as inappropriate?

No, the source code would be extracted and submitted to comp.sources.-
apple2.  The posting will include text to that effect.

>Also, I assume that you don't REALLY mean 'virus-free'.  You mean virus,
>trojan, trapdoor, etc. free - right?

Well, the term "trojan" has undergone so much mutation that people
aren't sure what it means anymore.  An innocent program becomes a trojan
horse program once it is infected by a virus.  I'm not going to touch
the trapdoor definition either.

>>|usurped in preference.  There will be 3 BinSCII parts per post.

>?? I don't understand - if I submit a 1 part BinSCII program, it will
>be deemed inappropriate?  Or do you mean that postings will be limited to
>no more than 3 BinSCII segments, implying that submissions larger than 30k
>or whatever will become a multi-part posting...

You are being deliberately obtuse.  I'm not going to write a charter for
the hard of thinking.

>>|Submissions not checked for 5 days after receipt will be automatically
>>|posted as-is; it is recommended, but not required, that submitters send
>>|postings in in the same format as the approved postings are sent out.

>It would be useful if you folks would post (to comp.sources.apple2 of
>course <grin>) a program which, given a binary file, would produce a series
>of msgs of the proper format.  That way folks could use said program on
>their Unix, MSDOS, or Apple II boxes to prepare things properly

Unix:  nulib, sciibin, cat
MSDOS:  nulib, sciibin, your-favorite-editor
Apple2:  ShrinkIT, BinSCII, your-favorite-editor [ProTERM works fine]

The tools are already there, you just need to learn how to use them.
RTFM.

>>|Repeat postings will not be posted if the posting in question has been
>>|posted within 6 months time; this does not apply to newer versions of

>There's a lot of 'posts' in that sentence.  How about:

>Repeat postings of programs will be limited to 6 month or more intervals -
>it is preferred that users take advantage of the many fine archive sites
>around the globe to obtain classic Apple II software.  This of course
>does not apply to new versions of classic software.

Or:

Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat
of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a
comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer
versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.

>>|site.  Old postings will also be available on request from the
>>|moderator(s).

>Will you be putting one of the numerous email servers in place to assist
>you in this regard?  Seems like it would make your life easier...

That is Jawaid's prerogative, as the moderation account will be located
on his machine.

>>|cancelled.  In the case of articles with forged approval, the article
>>|will then be treated as if it had just been submitted by the poster.

>What does that last sentence mean?

Deliberately obtuse again?  Rich Payner seemed to understand it fine.
Articles with forged approval will be cancelled, and then treated as if
they had just been mailed to the submission address.  If the program is
then found to be an appropriate submission (as defined), it will be
prepared according to the output rules and posted, sent to APPLE2-L, and
archived.

Oh yeah, a copy would be saved before cancellation. :-P

>Other topics - will there be a FAQ for the moderated c.b.a2 ?  Many of the
>topics in the FAQ for c.sys.a2 could be moved to such a creature, which would
>allow the c.sys.a2 FAQ to deal with the Apple 2 specifically.

A FAQ is a non-binary posting, and would be posted to comp.sys.apple2
(and crossposted to news.answers of course).

>Larry W. Virden   UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
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All this from a guy who still uses tabs contrary to the article in
news.announce.newusers.

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

What IS that song in that new Cool Mint Listerene commercial?
From: woof@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Wolf)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:20:03 GMT
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.aviation reorganization
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO