From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:03:01 GMT
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

smullins@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott H Mullins) writes:

> >But if the bacterium is being pressured by "natural selection" (i.e. a
> >hostile environment) to mutate and reproduce or perish, then if it
> >doesn't get just the right burst of cosmic rays at the right time, it
> >will perish and decompose back into its component chemicals. Is it not
> >so?
> 
> Oh, absolutely. What with the selection pressure of antibiotics the bacterium
> that cause syphilis and gonorrhea are just disappearing, right? :-)
> Is it purely by chance that these and other diseases treated with 
> antibiotics are producing resistant strains?

I'm not sure I can read through the sarcasm. Do you mean to say that,
despite the pressure of the alleged mechanism of "natural selection"
(or, sarcastically, "unnatural selection") organisms can and do survive?
And that if organisms do change, it is not by "random mutation" but is
instead a somehow intelligent response to the environment?

Does this mean that you think organisms do actually change into new
species by some process, although not by the processes of random
mutation and natural selection as claimed by most evolutionists? Or do
you support the thesis that the forms of the living organisms have been
surviving more or less intact since their "creation"?

> >Since the doctrine of evolution does not state that a human being
> >springs "full-formed from the primordial soup", no valid critique of
> >evolution can proceed as if this is what evolution claims.
> 
> Very reasonable statement. Your approach is certainly smarter than the 
> average creationist in this regard. (I mean that in all seriousness)

Well, one advantage I have is that I do not rely only on the Bible as
scripture. We have all seen the folly of trying to develop any kind of
scientific theory from the tiny amount of information given about the
natural world in the Bible. While I don't disrespect the Bible for what
it is, neither do I pretend that it is something it isn't (i.e. the only
book God ever wrote).

I am willing to discuss the theory of evolution on its own terms, by
using its own premises and definitions. I am convinced that there are
serious flaws in the theory, that the flaws are contained in the
premises, and that the flaws can be exposed by deducing false
conclusions from the premises.

> 
> Only if we can find it. My local bookstore doesn't even have record of the
> publisher.
> 

Yes, it is not easy to find. You can call the Bhaktivedanta Institute in
San Diego at 619-272-8145 and order a copy. I think it's around $10.

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa


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