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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Oath of allegiance to the Queen
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:36:14 GMT

In article <1eg0liINN3js@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>, rap@news (Ross Paterson) writes:
> Sorry to raise this topic again, but you might be interested to hear
> of a private member's bill to require people becoming naturalized as
> UK citizens to swear such an oath.  The motion to consider the bill
> (yesterday) failed by 71 votes in the House of Commons, despite the
> invocation of such examples as Australia and the US (Pledge of Allegiance).
> 
> Ross

Right here, in that OTHER colony  (Canada), they recently scrapped the oath
of allegiance to the queen for Ontario police officers (now optional), and I
believe that they have already done it for new immigrants. Sure, there were
some angry people, but criticism died down fast.

It is too bad that both our countries are afflicted with that peculiar
association with the British Empire and the monarchy. Canada has its own
series of "bad memories" (not exclusively French Canadian) concerning
the British connection, and I was surprised when your current prime
minister spoke in parliament about how Australians were screwed by the 
Brits in two world wars (and other ravings). (The Canadians were screwed
at Dieppe and Hong Kong, never mind Churchill and their ilk!)

Anyways... I look forward to seeing both our countries becoming republics
one day.

(crazy canuck begins dancing to Waltzing Matilda, and waits for Crocodile
Dundee XIII)
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
CANADA

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted, Captian Nida", Darth Vader
From: lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Info reqd on Software Jobs in Australia
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:25:59 GMT
Reply-To: lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov15.232026.5112@access.usask.ca>, srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam) writes:
|> Could somebody pl give the current stats on Software (SW) Jobs in Australia? Is 
|> there a demand for SW Engineers today? What are the Companies that are currently
|> recruiting ? Payscales, etc ... Basically, I am keen on knowing the job prospects
|> in this area.


Sorry to disappoint you, but unemployment in Australia is currently 11.3% !
S/w people are generally a little better off than most, but basically nobody
has very good job prospects at the moment.

As far as payscales go, it depends very much on experience. They range from
around $20 - 25K for graduates to around $45 -55K for experienced people and up
to $70K for highly sought after people. If you want to flog computers rather
than program them, you may be able to get up to $150K.

Contract rates vary from around $20 per hour for graduates to around $45 ph for
experienced people and up to $70 ph for particular skills in certain areas.

Hope this helps.

Keith
From: ahogg@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: C-14 scholarship
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:30:13 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

 			THE UNIVERSITY OF WAIKATO
                           HAMILTON NEW ZEALAND

                  RADIOCARBON DATING RESEARCH SCHOLARSHIP

The University seeks applications for a Scholarship of $NZ6,000 (non-
taxable) tenable in the Radiocarbon Dating Laboratory of the Geochronology
Research Unit.  The appointee shall work towards a D.Phil degree on any
topic which makes significant use of carbon dating techniques.  Subject to
satisfactory progress, the Scholarship will be available for up to three
years.

The applicants should be eligible for a D.Phil degree, by holding a good
Honours or Masters degree. No specific experience of carbon dating is required,
as full training will be given.  The candidate's background should be in
science or archaeology, and experience in practical science would be advantage.

In addition to the Scholarship, the applicant will work as a technical
assistant for 10 hours a week in the Laboratory.  This position is
available for 3 years subject to progress.  The part-time technicians
position will carry a minimum salary of $NZ6,193.00 per annum, based on
Grade 1, step 5 of the Technicians' scale.

Enquiries of an academic nature may be made to Dr Alan G Hogg, Radiocarbon
Dating Laboratory, Geochronology Research Unit, telephone (064) 7 8384278.
Information on the method of application can be obtained from Academic
Staffing, Personnel, University of Waikato, Private Bag 3105, Hamilton, New
Zealand, telephone (064) 7 8562889, Fax (064) 7 8560135.  Applications
quoting reference number A92/77 should reach Academic Staffing, Personnel
by 18 December 1992.

Places for appointees' children may be available in the creche run by the
Campus Creche Society (Inc).  Equal Opportunity is University policy.
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Computer Jobs?
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:02:06 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <1ernsbINNjfr@manuel.anu.edu.au>,
    kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff) writes:

| >This is a labour government for you....
| >
| Really? And what is the unemployment rate in Great Briton where
| there is a non labour government?                  ^^^^^^
						     Britain

Thanks Kate - I was about to flame the drongo myself.  The unemployment
in many other (non-labor/labour) countries is nothing to boast about
either.  It's a world-wide phenomenon.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
From: sjackman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Simon D. Jackman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Summary: query re atm networks (US) available in Australia
Keywords: PLUS NYCE Westpac Oz banks
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:01:45 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Could someone please post some info on which US atm networks, e.g., PLUS,
are available in Australia.  PLUS is rumoured to be available in Australia but I
couldn't find it on my last visit back there (October 92)

It is pretty wild to be travelling overseas and be able to pull local
currency out of the wall from your regular chequing account etc at home.

thanks and cheers -- simon
From: dean@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Dean Economou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:26:56 GMT
Organization: QPSX Communications LTD, Perth, Western Australia.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

This is not what I have found.  Mastercard is just fine in Sydney,
Melbourne and Perth.  

Dean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Computer Jobs?
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:10:49 GMT

g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter) writes:
 >My friend  is 24 and is thinking of moving to Australia  to get
 >a  job in  the  computer  industry  particularly a  job  in the
 >computer graphics field. He has an HND in Software Engineering
 >and is near completion of a BSc(HONS) in Computer Science.
 >
 >Can anyone tell me what the job situation is like in Australia
 >is it going to be hard for my friend to get work, particularly
 >in the field of computer graphics.

It depends what you mean by "computer graphics".  I think the main
demand for "computer graphics" people is anyone who can work on
geographic info systems.  I doubt very much that you can get any
other "computer graphics" work unless you have the precise experience
required for a particular employer.

The job situation here is no better than anywhere else, to put it
mildly -- we've just hit a record unemployment high (for the last half
of the 20th century).  You might get lucky, but it's a bit unlikely.

(Regular FAQ coming soon)
--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: mishae@niksula.hut.fi (Magic Mike)
Subject: Australian press - info wanted!
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: soc
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:50:35

Hi folks,

 A friend of mine, studying to be a journalist here in Finland, is
doing a report on the Australian press at his university. Material on
this subject is somewhat scarce here, so maybe somebody over there
could help him out. He would like information on the following
Australian newspapers:

	The Age
	Sidney Morning Herald
	The Australian

 Especially the history of these papers is of interest to him, but
anything will do.

Thanks a lot in advance!
--
Cheers,

            Misha
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,rec.radio.shortwave
From: aen@cs.brown.edu (Ann Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Q: Australia short wave radio stations
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:53:03 GMT

What sort of short wave radio should I be looking at getting?
I am in R.I. and all I am really interested in is Radio Australia.
How much money will I have to spend?

Ann Nicholson
From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Dog?
Keywords: Dog
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:47:31 GMT

A friend who was going to Oz for eighteen months inquired about taking
her cat. As I recall, the cost of the nine (?) month quar period plus
out of sight Trans-Pacific pet ticket charges came to over $ 3,000 US!
Needless to say, the cat is still in the U.S.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Computer Jobs?
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

My friend  is 24 and is thinking of moving to Australia  to get
a  job in  the  computer  industry  particularly a  job  in the
computer graphics field. He has an HND in Software Engineering
and is near completion of a BSc(HONS) in Computer Science.

Can anyone tell me what the job situation is like in Australia
is it going to be hard for my friend to get work, particularly
in the field of computer graphics.

He said the Areas that he was looking at were the Gold Coast
and  Perth.  If anyone could  help, the info  would be  very
helpfull. Any thoughts on where (as in location, anywhere in
Australia) is a good  place to get a job in computers  would 
also be very welcome.

Thanks David WhiteHead   PP Gary Coulter
From: rtp@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Master Card 
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:46:06 -0500

I strongly suggest you take both MC and Visa.
From: ss9o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Sorensen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Australian Land Laws
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:46:58 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    Can anyone out there tell me if the following descriptions
correspond to the reality of Australian law:

>I do believe your American legal system is wrought with problems if
>such questions were not long ago settled. Here in Australia *ALL*
>land is vested in the Crown; which means in the common interest under
>the legal framework of a Constitutional Monarchy manifested in the
>power which has been legitimated in the elected parliament. That is,
>we dispose of this apparent problem of "the public" having to pay for
>something by merely stating that the public already own it.
 
>Private interest, as a subdomain of the public interest, therefore
>negotiates with the public in order to establish the nature of the
>tenure pertaining to any given project. Even my family house is built
>on land to which my tenure as "owner" is conditional, although we do
>try to plan far enough ahead that we can be reasonably confident that
>the risk of future resumption by the crown is slight.
 
>We do not find it a problem; certainly the costs associated with
>fighting about it all the time far outweigh any benefits we might gain
>from a system allowing individuals an absolute privilege of tenure.

Thanks,
Steve Sorensen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden)
Subject: Re: Australian Land Laws
Reply-To: lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:59:06 GMT

In article <gf1fR2q00iV1I2amFH@andrew.cmu.edu>, Stephen Sorensen <ss9o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>     Can anyone out there tell me if the following descriptions
|> correspond to the reality of Australian law:
|> 
|> >I do believe your American legal system is wrought with problems if
|> >such questions were not long ago settled. Here in Australia *ALL*
|> >land is vested in the Crown; which means in the common interest under
|> >the legal framework of a Constitutional Monarchy manifested in the
|> >power which has been legitimated in the elected parliament. That is,
|> >we dispose of this apparent problem of "the public" having to pay for
|> >something by merely stating that the public already own it.
|>  
|> >Private interest, as a subdomain of the public interest, therefore
|> >negotiates with the public in order to establish the nature of the
|> >tenure pertaining to any given project. Even my family house is built
|> >on land to which my tenure as "owner" is conditional, although we do
|> >try to plan far enough ahead that we can be reasonably confident that
|> >the risk of future resumption by the crown is slight.
|>  
|> >We do not find it a problem; certainly the costs associated with
|> >fighting about it all the time far outweigh any benefits we might gain
|> >from a system allowing individuals an absolute privilege of tenure.
|> 

I do not believe that this totally correct, at least not in my home state of
South Australia. Having worked for Telecom Australia where we often had to
place plant on someone else's property - especially in rural and remote areas
- I feel I have some knowledge of this, although I definitely am not a lawyer.

As I understand it, only land acquired after a certain date belongs to the
Crown. In, SA, that extends to virtually all of the land north and west of Pt
Augusta (i.e. nearly all of SA but only including perhaps only 1% of the
populatation). Where most people live, the land is freehold. On Crown land, you
can buy leases, many of which are for 99 years.

Title to a very large portion of the SA Crown land was handed over to the
Aborigines about 5 years ago and so it could be argued that very little of SA 
is Crown land.

I believe that similar situations exist in WA and the NT (at least), which would
(with SA) make up perhaps 70% of Australia.

Maybe some Constitional lawyer can put a more accurate perspective...

Keith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
From: ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:21:25 GMT
Summary: VISA is better

In article <1992Nov17.171651.23241@news.uit.no>, sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:
> 
> Is it possible to "survive and get around" with a MasterCard in the
> areas around Sydney and Perth? Is the MC well accepted by shops, motels,
> restaurants, banks etc. in these areas? What about access to "money
> machines" with the MC?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Svein-Ivar
> 

Not really, you would be much safer with VISA or travellers cheques.
I have never used the money machines when travelling - the service
premium is too high.

Don
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:38:48 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Ummm... stay away from the place?  Launceston is much nicer...

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:42:31 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: RMIT EXCHANGE
From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:36:54 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Nov13.155918.22262@emr1.emr.ca> randall@ccrs.emr.ca writes:

> Now that I have finalized my plans for my trip to Melbourne, I will be looking
> for a place to live come late February.  I've heard the best place to look would
> be RMIT campus, any other suggestions???
> 
> I have been accepted for an exchange program from University of Waterloo in
> Canada and will be attending school at RMIT for 4-8 months.  I will then be
> travelling through Asia (any suggestions) for about 2-4 months.  As you can tell
> my plans are fairly flexible at this time.
> 
> 
> Any info, comments or ideas would be helpfull and appreciated   
> 
> 
> 		Thanx 
> 				Dave Randall 
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Randall                        
> randall@ccrs.emr.ca             
> University of Waterloo co-op    
Hmm. There will be share houses advertising on all campuses around that
time. It might be better just to get a copy of the "Age" newspaper and run
through the share ads. Fortunately, the Vic. economy is stuffed, so rents
etc are quite reasonable at the moment.
Good luck,
Graham
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From:  (Thomas Mc Neill)
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Organization: Loughborough Uni. Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132125.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au>,
ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov17.171651.23241@news.uit.no>, sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:
> > 
> > Is it possible to "survive and get around" with a MasterCard in the
> > areas around Sydney and Perth? Is the MC well accepted by shops, motels,
> > restaurants, banks etc. in these areas? What about access to "money
> > machines" with the MC?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Svein-Ivar
> > 
> 
> Not really, you would be much safer with VISA or travellers cheques.

Rubbish Mate! Mastercard is accepted wherever Visa is accepted. I've lived
on my Mastercard in Australia for years. Its only outside Australia that
I've had trouble.

> I have never used the money machines when travelling - the service
> premium is too high.

Not as high as the percentages your paying on a travellers cheque.

I know I can use my Australain Mastercard in Cash machines all over the
world so I imagine foreign ones work in Australia.

Tom Mc Neill
Loughborough University
Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam)
Subject: Info reqd on Software Jobs in Australia
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:20:26 GMT

Hello:

Could somebody pl give the current stats on Software (SW) Jobs in Australia? Is 
there a demand for SW Engineers today? What are the Companies that are currently
recruiting ? Payscales, etc ... Basically, I am keen on knowing the job prospects
in this area.

Thanks,
-- 
Srikant Subramaniam.
srikant@cs.usask.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:37:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132125.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au>, ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:
> 
> Not really, you would be much safer with VISA or travellers cheques.
> I have never used the money machines when travelling - the service
> premium is too high.
> 

A fine piece of drivel from someone who has ``never used the money machines
when travelling''.  As I remember, Mastercard is slightly more popular than
VISA, but it's hardly significant.

Worldwide, VISA is more prevalent.


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``When the going gets wierd, the weird turn pro...''