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From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Re: Membentuk kata dengan "ng".
Keywords: BI
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.225027.15139@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:

>ngambek -> angry. Ini mestinya dari bahasa Sunda dengan kata asal ambek.
>ngibing -> to dance < ibing.
>ngawur -> (to do things) without any reason. Ini tentunya dari bahasa Jawa
>          dengan kata asal "awur" (disebar, diacak-acak).
>ngijon -> to buy/sell forward (?) < ijon.
>nggak -> no. Saya pikir ini dari bahasa Jawa juga. Dari "tidak" yang dibunyi-
>         kan "ndak", akhirnya menjadi "nggak".

>Pertanyaan saya: "Bolehkah kita membentuk kata semacam itu dari kata asing
>(bahasa Inggeris)?"

>
>Misalnya:
>print -> ngeprint. (Contoh: Ngeprint berkas PostScript di LaserWriter.)
>run -> 'ngerun' -> ngeran. (Contoh: Ngeran perakit Pascal.)
>view -> 'ngeview' -> ngeviu. (Contoh: Ngeviu gambar-gambar JPEG.)
>
>Aneh? Opo tumon? Ah, saya kan hanya melihat apa yang ada di kamus. Memang
>benar apa yang ada didalam kamus bukannya siap dipakai dalam segala
>situasi. Tapi saya pikir 'awalan' "ng" itu cukup sangkil (efektif?) dalam
>membentuk kata baru. Protes? Monggo Mas...

Saudara Oki,

This kind of dynamism is what I am expecting.  Maybe the origin of
adding "ng" is based on "slang" or bahasa daerah, but, that is how a
language develops right?  Standardizing this will enrich Bahasa
Indonesia/Malaysia.

I guess, when discussing about Indonesianizing the Computer Terms and
Commands, people in this newsgroup should take this opportunity (to
create new or modified/borrowed words from other languages whenever
appropriate).  Afterall, English Language borrowed some words from Bahasa
Melayu (ie. amok, orang utan and so forth).  Why don't we do the
same when figuring out the terms or words for computer commands.
Ini hanya saranan dari saya.

>Oki
>okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu

-Azlan Nordin-
  Penn State
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: jlb@thor.inesc.pt (Jose' Luis B. Borbinha)
Subject: Re: Multiculture (Re: Is there a solution for East Timor?)
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:16:32 GMT

rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo) writes:
: 
: Hi Rui,
: ...
: >First, my proposal DID NOT IMPLY THE INDEPENDENCE of ET! 
: 
: Good start.
: 
: >It does, however,
: >recognize the fact that ETers are diferent (religion, language, ...) and
: >this is a fact, not a previllage. Hence, you must accept to the fact and act
: >accordingly. 
: 
: You seem to forget that WE KNOW they are different, but SO DOES the rest
: of the country. Heck, I can't even speak in my mother tounge language
: with some Indonesians in this newsgroup. I have to learn 3 languages;
: my mother tounge (Jawa), the languange where I lived (Sunda), and 
: Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language). Some Indonesians here probably
: know more languages/cultures than I do. (Right ?)
: Religion ? We have different religions in different areas. Have you
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
: heard of Bali ? They have different religion too.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yeah, and they have been fighting for their independence from Indonesia too.
     
: regards,
: -- budi

regards,

-- 
 Jose' Luis B. Borbinha | INESC - Inst. de Eng. de Sistemas e Computadores
  E-mail: jlb@inesc.pt  |         Rua Alves Redol, 9
  Phone:  351.1.3100305 |         Apartado 10105
  Fax:    351.1.525843  |         1017 Lisboa CODEX - PORTUGAL
From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian pop music
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:16:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ramid@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rudy Amid) says:

[deleted]

>   The only original type of music from your list is probably Keroncong.
>I'm not too thrilled with the music there though but I appreciate the
>diversity.

please correct me if i'm wrong.  i somewhat vaguely remembered 
somebody once said that keroncong was probably came from portugal.
anybody cares to explain this?


-- 

"Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_
From: iwirawan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Indra Wirawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Majulah Timor-Timur
Date: 22 Nov 1992 05:21:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

2huxvalved@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


>     Berita dari Seaseal mengatakan bahwa pemimpin Fretelin, Xanana
>telah menyerahkan diri..Semoga dengan peristiwa ini, TimTim akan
>cepat berkembang.....

>       MERDEKA


>Bagong

Berita yang saya baca, Xanana bukan menyerahkan diri tapi
ditangkap/diamankan oleh ABRI di sudut Kota Dili.

Indra
From: ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
Subject: Re: Sport fans: Where are you?
Reply-To: ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.140908@IASTATE.EDU>, isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
writes:
> > I really-really don't like Chicago Bulls, I hope they
> > won't make it to the finals this season.
> 
>  Ha! You wish! Eat your wheaties, kid. Look who's coming!
>  DaBulls shall crush your filthy team, whichever it is. ;>
> 

This season will be the doom season for the bulls. 
I predict they even won't make it to the final of NBA.
The bulls' player are getting too cocky. They deserve to loose.
On the other hand, Portland Blazers' player are becoming
more and more mature and good champion mentality.
Last year they lost because they mentality are not ready.
But this year, after last year's experience and good practice,
they are ready to beat any team in the final round.

> > I am a fan of Portland Blazers. Too bad last year they got
> > beaten up by the 'obnocious Bulls'. 
> 
>  Yea, too bad. Anyway, it was soooooo obvious they would lose. :)
> 

Wait and see the resulst Ron.


Where are other basketball fans? Let's heat up the topic. 
Stop discussing the ET problem. Let our leaders do their
job. That is what we are paying the tax for. 
I invite all basket ball fans to join this discussion. I don't
plan to have only one on one discussion with Rony. I can talk
to him here at Iowa State. I would like to hear other's opinion..
So, join in and let's rock'n'roll

ftandiar@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Re: Multiculture (Re: Is there a solution for East Timor?)
Organization: INESC
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 13:43:45 GMT

In article <BxqJ0p.E72@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
|> {text deleted}
|> >It does, however,
|> >recognize the fact that ETers are diferent (religion, language, ...) and
|> >this is a fact, not a previllage. Hence, you must accept to the fact and act
|> >accordingly. 
|> 
|> You seem to forget that WE KNOW they are different, but SO DOES the rest
|> of the country. Heck, I can't even speak in my mother tounge language
|> with some Indonesians in this newsgroup. I have to learn 3 languages;
|> my mother tounge (Jawa), the languange where I lived (Sunda), and 
|> Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language). Some Indonesians here probably
|> know more languages/cultures than I do. (Right ?)
|> Religion ? We have different religions in different areas. Have you
|> heard of Bali ? They have different religion too.

Great! Now you recognize there are differences between the Maubere people and
many different groups of indonesians (let's call it this way).
HOWEVER, schools at ET only teach in Bahasa Indonesia. There are no free
elections to local parliament and the administration is appointed by Jakarta, not
by ETers. Indonesian army is an occupation army: the Santa Cruz massacre and the
200000 killed in the last 17 years demonstrates that. Hence, Indonesia DOES NOT
ACT ACCORDINGLY to the fact that Maubere people is different.

Because ETers are different, they may have different objectives from others (such
as the javanease). In many regions of the world that means different countries
(such as Portugal versus Spain) or, for smaller regions such as Andorra and
Licheinstein at the border of great powers, "countries" with great authonomy.
I placed the term "countries" between quotes to mean that the neighbour powers
have some sort of say on the external affairs, but they leave a great deal of
authonomy to the internal affairs.

Please go to a library and consult the Andorra entry. That may give you some
highlights about my proposal.

|> regards,
|> -- budi

All the best...

---Crespo
==============================================================================
|| .-. .-  .- || Rui Gustavo Crespo                                         ||
|| |_| |_  |  || INESC, Software Engineering Group                          ||
|| | \ |_| |_ || R. Alves Redol 9, Apart 10105, 1017 Lisboa Codex, Portugal ||
|| ~~~~~~~~~~ || Phone: +351 1 3100 204      E-mail: rgc@eniac.inesc.pt     ||
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From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Berfikir Positif (was Re: Personal views on East Timor)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:01:05 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

> [..]
> ...jangan digubris...
>
well, maybe for sometime 'khafillah' can ignore barking dogs. but once they
start bother his sleep, he should think of how to make them quite (throw 
stones/bones?...up to him)

hsiahaan
(no offense Mr Soewito...:-)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Re: soccer 
Keywords: indonesian's soccer
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:37:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.143907@IASTATE.EDU>, vinch@IASTATE.EDU (The Rippingtons)
writes:

> If you guys know it, it will be appreciated to post 'em here...
> It will make our newsgroup become the newsgroup of Indonesia, instead
> the newsgroup of Timor Timur   :)

  Hear! hear! this is a GOOD point !!!!
  Bring on the bacon, err.. I mean the soccer. :)


> **************************************************************************
> #     Department of Industrial Engineering and Manufacturing System      #
> #     Iowa State University                                              #
> #     Ames, Iowa 50010                                                   #
> #------------------------------------------------------------------------#
> #                                     e-mail vinch@iastate.edu           #
> **************************************************************************

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Originator: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:19:49 GMT


Penggunaan bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar.

Saya mengalami kesulitan besar dalam menulis makalah (atau tulisan
lain) dalam bahasa Indonesia. Banyak istilah-istiliah asing yang
tidak ada (mungkin ada tapi saya tidak tahu) dalam bahasa Indonesia,
misalnya istilah-istilah komputer. Misalnya :

- mouse
- remote machine
- window manager
- shell
- prompt
- cursor
- pointer (dalam program, misalnya dalam bahasa C    *variabel)
- dan lain lain (banyak sekali)

Bagaimana pendapat anda ?

Perlukah kita Indonesiakan istilah-istilah tersebut ? Kalau perlu,
adakah kaidah yang harus kita ikuti ?

Catatan: 
- Mas Bambang Prastowo, dari Queen's, pernah menuliskan makalah 
  tentang hal ini.
- Tahukan anda: mangkus & sangkil ? :-)

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Berfikir Positif (was Re: Personal views on East Timor)
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:07:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.010803.13181@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
|In article <SJGTBCKL@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
|   ...
||Nonetheless, I feel conmpelled to speak up for the people of Timor Timur.
||There is a great deal of suppression, oppression, and even torture of
||dissidents which is completely censored by the media in Indonesia itself.
|
|Suppression, oppresion and torture are exclusively reserved for the people 

Sorry. It should be : .... are NOT exclusively...

|of TimTim. Until Indonesian has a civilian government, these will not stop.
|You'll find cases of suppression, oppression and torture in other parts 
|of Indonesia.  


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:14:45 GMT

In article <BxxIM2.4E8@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo) writes:
> 
> Nah, ini dia! Kita justru mendapat keuntungan dari istilah
> perakitan karena pada dasarnya assembler itu compiler juga,
> hanya saja tingkatnya yang rendah. Jadi kita aman memakai
> istilah perakit untuk assambler juga.
> 
> Dengan istilah perakit, kita langsung menerangkan: "perakit
> adalah alat yang dipakai untuk merakit kode kompute berdasar
> spesifikasi yang ditulis dalam notasi yang lebih mudah
> dimengerti manusia."
>
Apakah dengan demikian kita bisa menggunakan "perakit" sebagai pengganti
"interpreter?" Dalam tingkatannya saya pikir interpreter setara
dengan compiler, bedanya compiler merubah 'bahasa tingkat tinggi' 
(HLL) menjadi kode mesin (machine code), sedangkan interpreter merubah HLL
menjadi 'pemanggilan' proses/langkah kerja yang disimpan di runtime-library
(kode mesin yang dimuat (di-load) saat interpreter tersebut dijalankan).
Disamping itu proses 'penerjemahannya' berlangsung baris demi baris yang
kemudian langsung dikerjakan.
 
	[...]
 

> Salam, Bambang
> 
> 


Salam lagi,
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: share!kst@aloft.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: RE: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:07:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In article <BxwzHy.5Jz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Budi Rahardjo writes:
> Kalau ini mestinya menjadi bahasa Assembly, karena Assembly merupakan
> nama bahasa. Sama halnya dengan bahasa BASIC, FORTRAN, LISP,
> dll (dan lain lain).

I don't have any complaint about translating "assembler" into
"perakit bahasa assembly."  Nonetheless,  strictly speaking
"assembly" is not just another programming language,  it is
a type of languages.  Its counterpart is "high level language"
which includes FORTRAN, Pascal, etc.  That is why you never
heard of "386 assembly language compiler."  But in Indonesian
"perakit bahasa assembly" is so far the best we can come up with.

In article <1992Nov19.000032.2136@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
Oki Zakaria writes:
> "Riten" mungkin bisa sebagai pengganti "return".

Before we have a true Indonesian keyboard,  it is probably wise
to leave the key names as it is written on the keys.  We don't
want to translate "escape," "alt," "shift," etc.  Do we?

> Kalau melihat file-system-nya unix, rasanya "daftar isi utama" lebih
> baik digunakan sebagai padanan "root directory", soalnya yang namanya
> "root" itu memang yang paling utama. Dalam urutan "daftar isi", dia
> terletak paling 'atas' ("/"). Sedangkan "home directory" tidak selalu
> berada di "root". Misalnya saja, seorang pemakai bisa memiliki home
> directory di /usr/cosy/u4, yang lain di /usr/cosy/u5.

In the book "Pedoman Dasar Unix*" published by Gramedia,  home
directory is called "daftar pokok." :-)  The reason is that
home directory is the user's home base (pokok, pangkal),
serving as a starting and reference point.  Pokok can also
mean "modal" (capital)---that is the only directory under your
ownership when you get a new Unix* account.  "Utama" suggests
that it is the most important directory,  which is usually not
true for home directories.

I really stumbled when I tried to translate "object-oriented
progamming."  Due to its frequent usage,  probably we should
simply use OOP without trying to translate the term.

 -- Khesing.The@ATT.com

*Unix is a trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories
From: ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira Putra)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Portuguese vs. Indonesian media/A reply by an East Timorese
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:30:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I am BOZO from Cleveland ....

If someone writes that no more than 5 newspapers in Kalimantan,
NTB, NTT, Sulawesi, and Irian Jaya ... How do you know, man ?

... ho ho ho .....

from what i know ...
at least ... more than 4 newspapres in Kalimantan
at least ... more than 3 newspapers in Sulawesi
at least ... more than 2 newspapers in Irian Jaya ( I live at
Jayapura before )

Sulawesi and Kalimantan, I now because some investors in 
Indonesia ask me to joint them to create new newspaper in that
area. And of course ... we have to know our competitors ...

If you have money, why don't you create one in NTT or NTB or
maybe in ET ?  And for sure, I will teach you how to do the 
business in Indonesia unless you don't know.
So ... why do you only talks and writes about nothing ?

.... ho ho ho ...

If you hate something, don't hate everything and
don't see everything in it is bad ... everything bad 
you will loose your objective, man ...

.... ho ho ho ....
		  i am BOZO from Cleveland
					ck345@cleveland.freenet
........ \/\/ira Putra ........................................
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Sorry for Posts #396,397,398
Organization: INESC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:15:14 GMT

Jose' Magalhaes and I have posted 3 messages in portuguese to the
alt.culture.indonesian.

The messages deal only with portuguese internal affairs. Msg 396 refers to a
statement from our President about Willy Brandt, and msgs 397,398 refer to the
possibility of portuguese news to be sent by the portuguese embassies to
soc.culture.portuguese.

Once again I appologize for the inconvenience (no second intentions and no hard
feelings).

All the best...

---Crespo
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|| |_| |_  |  || INESC, Software Engineering Group                          ||
|| | \ |_| |_ || R. Alves Redol 9, Apart 10105, 1017 Lisboa Codex, Portugal ||
|| ~~~~~~~~~~ || Phone: +351 1 3100 204      E-mail: rgc@eniac.inesc.pt     ||
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Membentuk kata dengan "ng".
Date: 21 Nov 1992 21:54:29 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: levelland.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: BI

In article <1992Nov21.225027.15139@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:
>print -> ngeprint. (Contoh: Ngeprint berkas PostScript di LaserWriter.)
>run -> 'ngerun' -> ngeran. (Contoh: Ngeran perakit Pascal.)
>view -> 'ngeview' -> ngeviu. (Contoh: Ngeviu gambar-gambar JPEG.)
>
>Oki
>okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu

Just curious, what's wrong with "mencetak berkas PS di LW",
"menjalankan compiler Pascal", "melihat gambar-gambar JPEG"?
Please note that instead of 'perakit' I used 'compiler'.
Just have this preference of using available words (even
in 'foreign' languages).  ^_^
Oh, well.
^_^ regius ^_^
ps. probably I should've used 'kompiler' ^_^
pps. sorry for this resource wasting ^_^
From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: RE:Himbauan buat Rekan rekan
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:05:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) says:

>In article <1992Nov14.192726.44789@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>|Selamat Datang ke Dunia Sastera Indonesia.
>|Pramudya Ananta Toer boleh jadi penulis Indonesia yang terbaik saat
>|ini.
>|Sayang buku buku karangannya lebih mudah dijumpai disini ketimbang di
>|Indonesia.
>|Kalau saya tak salah ada enam buku yang ditulisnya setelah bebas dari
>|TP Pulau BURU. Seluruhnya sudah diterbitkan dalam Bahasa
>|Inggeris(Penguin). Karya karyanya sebelum ditahan tidak ISTIMEWA. Saya
>|sudah baca "Diah : SiManis Bergigi Emas". Biasa saja.
>|
>Does anyone know if there is any Indonesian edition of his books ?
>I know that they are banned in Indonesia, but maybe some foreign 
>publishers publish them. I have read the english edition of
>'Anak Segala Bangsa', it's bloody excellent!

I agree.  Btw, if Sydney or Melbourne has a research library (or
something like that), you can probably find the indonesian version of
his books.  I know for sure that Central Research Library in Chigago
has them.



-- 

"Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ramid@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rudy Amid)
Subject: Re: Let's talk about games !!!!!!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:04:11 GMT

isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!) writes:

>Anyway, for those who get bored I have a question for you...

>Do you know about a cool game called `netrek' ??  :)
>If you don't but are interested in it, e-mail me and I'll let you know
>about it. If you don't care that's fine but let me tell you something:
>You don't know what you are missing!  :)

>Oh well, this post is just in case you are bored and have time for some games.


   OH SHUT UP RONY.  :-)))

   What are you trying to do?  Get an all Indonesian netrek game ?

>-Rony
> isae@IASTATE.EDU

--
!Rudy Amid              ///
a434amid@cdf.toronto.edu//
amid@r-node.gts.org   ///
Netrek/IRC: Radix  \\X//
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