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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:53:26 GMT

In article <2925154400@ARTEMIS.cam.nist.gov> miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep9.191502.25405@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, Sharen A. Rund writes:
>> In article <Bu7tHM.9AF@uunet.uu.net> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>> >Rec.autos.antique shall NOT be for the discussion for the non-stock
>> >modification, customization or souping up of antique autos.
>
 [ stuff deleted ]
>
>I think the subject of modification is something that does need to be
>clarified, though.  Restricting to _NO_ modification is, to me,
>ridiculous.   
>
>Allowing discussion of customization, I dont  know, but I dont see  that
>much harm in it.  I  cant imagine that people  are going to have  such a
>heartwrenching time skipping past 100's of articles each day about rape,
>incest and whatever. There's unlikely to be that much is there?  And you
>might even learn something!  Seems to me, body customization is just body
>work.  You've got a flat piece of metal and you want  it to look like
>that  picture (in the  book or in  your head, depending  on
>whether you are restoring or customizing).
>
>As a side note, I understand there's rumbling about to create a
>rec.autos.hotrod.  If I got it right, though, it will be restricted to
>_performance_ modification --- doesn't matter what it looks like.
>
>Seems a shame for the customizers to be squeezed out of the middle,
>just for the sake of ethnic purity.   IMHO, there's more overlap here
>than there, though.

that's why I thought, if a proposal for rec.autos.hotrod.. came along
that a better grouping would be   rec.autos.rodncustom   many of today's
custom builders are either starting out on their first car and the cars 
from the late 40's-early-60s fit their pockets better, or, they're 
people who have rods and want to build a custom - afterall, many of
the second category had rods all the way through and had a 'street' car
or a 'driver' that they drove around in while they were working on
their rod - now that the rod is done, they're working on their driver

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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.mystery.detective
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:46:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep8.194609.21177
Organization: Western Washington University


I would prefer rec.arts.mystery.  If traffic demands narrower
groups we can split tv, books, etc.  But I doubt that would
happen in the near future.

Rob
From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.rpg.board
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:38:00 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <BuL4M4.GoF@uunet.uu.net> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>Request for new group: rec.games.rpg.board

>This is a proposal for a news group which would discuss those
>games containing elements of both role playing games and 
>board games.  The primary games under consideration are 
>Battletech/Mechwarrior and Warhammer/Warhammer 40K although
>is not limited to those two.  

A comment on namespace.  You should decide whether this is more
appropriate under the role-playing (frp, not rpg) or board game
hierarchy.  Are these board games first and then role-playing or the
other way around?

In short, rec.games.frp.board or rec.games.board.frp?

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From: marek@mermaid.msel.unh.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Organization: UNH Marine Systems Engineering Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:20:24 GMT

jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:

>>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"

>BTW, wouldn't rec.arts.poetry.urdu be better, since a ghazal
                        ^^^^^^
>is poetry but not necessarily a poem.

rec.arts.poetry does not exist...  so you cannot hang .urdu off of it.
Let's face it, there is no "academic" place on Usenet that deals with
poetry -- rec.arts.poems occasionally contains serious traffic but for
the most part it's computer science majors writing their first verse.
However, there is a lot of bandwidth on rec.arts.poems to accomodate
poems from various cultures and from serious poets and about serious
poetry:

1.  Icelandic poems have shown up.
2.  French poems have shown up
3.  Polish poems in translation and in original are regularly posted.
4.  Macedonian poems in original and translation are being shown.

I am sure I am missing a bunch.  There is no reason for a subgroup of
rec.arts.poems to be formed if this traffic has yet to materialize.
Rather than fragment the poetry forum let's bring the Urdu stuff into
the common fold.

				-- Marek
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Improprieties (soc.culture.tamil ...
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:52:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <BuFCIE.Evq@news.orst.edu>, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
> 
> I have yet to see you admit that canvassing for votes DURING a vote BY
> the vote-taker is improper. 

It is generally speaking improper in normal circumstances. I have mentioned
that in this thread before.

> How you can now argue that doing it BEFORE
> the vote starts is improper is beyond comprehension. 

I sure can argue despite whatever I may or may not have done in another case.

> If it wasn't
> improper for YOU to do it while the vote was in progress, then you have
> no right to whine about someone else doing it before the vote starts.

The circumstances were NOT normal before I asked people to vote favorabily.
There was a negative campaign of arrogance and bigotry going on during
the vote. It seemed appropriate and fair to me to issue the call to
balance that. 

In contrast there was no such negative campaigning going on in case
of soc.culture.tamil. Circumstances were NORMAL.

> 
> >Are such improper behaviours on part of the vote taker and co-organizers
> >not sufficient to ask for a revote ?
> 
> No.
> 
> >Are there any guidelines on vote taker selection which were violated ?
> 
> No.
> 


I disagree.

Alok
From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Question; how to create an alt group?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:15:27 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Distribution: world
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
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	Hey, can anyone out there tell me how one would go about 
	creating an alt.xxx group? Someone just asked me and I 
	have NO idea....


	Thanks-


			-Karl


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From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:43:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <1992Sep09.042423.18648@vpnet.chi.il.us>, Gerry Swetsky writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.174452.27028@mlb.semi.harris.com> jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger) writes:
> >of many who frequent the group. I did get one bit of net.cop.mail about a
> >post promising a review of a sheet metal welding tool - which is of interest
> >to restoration hobbyists - along with several positive responses.
> 
>     Oh, that was you?  Your item didn't have any mention of cars, much
>     less antiques.  There *has* to be a newsgroup where your post would
>     have been much more appropriate.  I explained this to you and had
>     the decency to mail it rather than post it.

I dont get this.  You mean we would need special justification to
discuss working with sheet metal?  We have to explicitly say "This has
applications to cars, and even antiques" ?

Now, come on Gerry.

I'm not sure about the incident in question, but so far I've found
nothing to complain about in James' postings, indeed, I've found them
very valuable --- and _relevant_!

Now, clearly we shouldnt talk about shop facilities or garages because a
certain netster is going to say we should post to alt.bondage.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (An Elmo of Their Own)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.mystery.detective
Organization: Fay Vincent's Baseball Substitute
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:13:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
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	I would vote YES for rec.arts.mystery.

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From: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:18:15 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <LATTA.92Sep4185528@scam.berkeley.edu> latta@scam.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta) writes:
>	rec.music.instruments.<instrument>, including
>		rec.music.instruments.synth, for discussion of
>			*synths* (sound and sound data generators),
>			not so much for discussion of synth
>			*interfaces*, like keyboard controllers.
>		rec.music.instruments.controllers
>		rec.music.instruments.controllers.keyboard

	I think you'd see a lot of crossposting among these groups, since
the general population equates "keyboard" and "synth".

                                                        Dan

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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: news.software.inn
Date: 12 Sep 1992 01:50:06 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt) writes:
: kent@imd.sterling.com (Kent Landfield) writes:
: >NAME:    
: >	news.software.inn
: 
: I would propose a different name:
: 	news.software.transport.inn

inn is not just "transport", since you have to deal with things like news
spool administration and support for the client libraries.  

i don't see it would be a win to add in another layer of hierarchy.  
After all as Mr White notes:
: if.every.person.on.earth.has.an.internet.address.the.addresses.will.be.long
: especially.trying.to.classify.every.thougt.under.its.own.group.for.posterity
: nothing.like.structured.thinking.in.a.free.society

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From: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:16:22 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <42304@ogicse.ogi.edu> jlewis@ogicse.ogi.edu (Jeff Lewis) writes:
>>|>     rec.musicians.synth
>>       I'm not really sure that 'synth' is the good name for
>>       that group
>
>I agree - perhaps `.electronic'?

	My gut reaction was "no" -- but the more I think about it, the
more I like this name.  rec.musicians.electronic.  It appears to encompass
synthesis, alternate controllers & performance, MIDI, computers, etc.,
without ambiguity.

	I like it.

                                                        Dan

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From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:44:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL


 I object to the narrow definition of topics acceptable. Many of the current
participants (not just the one-question-Charlies) are using a.a.a. to discuss
topics such as proper restoration techniques and modifications to classic
cars. This is outside the proposed charter. It is not ouside the interests
of many who frequent the group. I did get one bit of net.cop.mail about a
post promising a review of a sheet metal welding tool - which is of interest
to restoration hobbyists - along with several positive responses.

 I and many others have cars which are borderline classics, but do not intend 
to make a concours restoration our lives' work. We are into "restification"
if you will. 

 I think the T-bucket roadster has as much of a place here as the unmodified
DeSoto (as long as it's not one of those icky fiberglas ones...). And I think
discussion of parts swapping between makes, performance upgrades etc. are
also germane - as long as they are period-appropriate. That is, things like
where to look for factory dual-quad intakes or what years had better brakes
are certainly of interest and appropriate, while how to add EFI or a 
blower setup belong elsewhere. 

 Either expand the scope of acceptable topics, ignore the enforcement of
acceptable topics, or witness a big decline in activity and readership
is what I am saying. Rec.autos.grandmas.bone.stock.Edsel? I think I'll pass.
I'm active, I'm a writin', wrenchin' fool. But I'm not going to be hanging
out if there's no action. Make the group a forum for enthusiasts, not a
enclave of stuffiness. Even the sophomore who wants to gut his '67 Camaro
at least deserves protracted and vicious enlightenment.


 Suggested additional topics to be accepted:

 - Mechanical and appearance questions on period cars
 - Factory performance options availability and interchangeability
 - Restoration techniques, tools, parts and sources
 - Antique and Classic Car events
 - Verification/Matching/etc. of antique/classic car models, options, etc.


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From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.mystery.detective
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:08:51 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: mystery, new, group, detective


In article <1992Sep8.180945.20692@cco.caltech.edu> roder@cco.caltech.edu (Brenda J. Roder) writes:
>This sounds like a good idea, but the name should just be rec.arts.mystery
>or rec.arts.detective.  Otherwise, it looks like it is a specialty group
>for detectives in mystery stories which is what I first thought when I saw
>the subject line.
>
>-- 
>-- Brenda (roder@cobalt.caltech.edu)
>Thought before action, if there's time.
>    _The Edge_  Dick Francis

I have recieved many suggestions for a change in the name of the group. I
think that the most encompassing one would be rec.arts.mystery

There have been others: rec.arts.books.mystery
			rec.arts.mystery.books
			rec.arts.mystery.tv
			rec.arts.mystery.movies
			rec.arts.mystery.lovers

Any more suggestions? I prefer rec.arts.mystery, I didn't really want this
group to be just about detectives, rather, more general--a good overall
balanced group.
-Dan

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From: m91kgh@tdb.uu.se (Karl-Gunnar Hultland)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.rpg.board
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:36:12 GMT

philipd@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Philip Dutre) writes:
: In article <BuL4M4.GoF@uunet.uu.net>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
: There are no games containing both elements of boardgames & roleplaying games.

From mechwarrios 2nd edition

We suggest using the rules in the Battle Tech Compendium
if that book is available. These rules cover most situations that will
aride. The BattleMech dueling system presented in the Solaris VII
campaign module gives more detailed rules for handling smallscale
'mech engagements and is recomended for use with Mechwarrior.


For me that doesn't look like separate games. If you compare with the
AD&Ds combat system in which you have to learn a new incompatible
battlesystem to integrate large scale combat into your campaign
whereas in BattleTech/Mechwarrior you have integrated roleplaying in a
boardgame.

The volume might not be that great and it isn't evenly distributed but
if you look in rec.games.board you can find a large number of
battletech postings certainly more than in some other existing groups.
I would therefore like to purpose a group called
rec.games.btech or rec.games.battletech where you can discuss BOTH the
rpg and the boardgame.



				Karl

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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.groups
Subject: Re: news.test: global rmgroup, or make it valid?
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:39:59 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <1992Sep9.073416.9480@resonex.com> michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
>
>Lately there has been a fairly steady stream of postings to the
>bogus newsgroup news.test.  Should somebody (David Lawrence, for
>example) issue a global rmgroup, or should we go through the
>motions of making this a valid newsgroup?
>
>I could go either way on the issue, but something should probably
>be done.  Granted, sending the rmgroup control message probably won't
>remove it from all sites, but it couldn't hurt.  Then again, perhaps
>there's value in having a news.test group in addition to misc.test...
>
>Any opinions?

Well here's my 0.02 Ecu's worth...

At this site we concentrate on the technical groups, eg we carry all of
comp and sci.  We also carry the appropriate regional groups, eg all of
uk and eunet.  We also carry all of the `news' hierachy for obvious
reasons of admin and providing news.announce.newusers, etc.  For these
perfectly valid reasons (I assert B^>) we don't (yet) happen to carry
misc (or soc, talk, rec, alt...) and so misc.test isn't, in effect,
available for testing.  So having a test group in a hierarchy everyone
should get with the admin info seems like a good idea except for
potential bandwidth problems.

I'll even volunteer to put up an auto-reply daemon on news.test
if/while traffic stays moderate.

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Subject: 2ND CFV comp.client-server
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:09:45 GMT
Organization: Geac Computer Corporation

Name:
	comp.client-server

Status:
	unmoderated

Charter:

	An open forum to discuss topics relating to client/server technology. 
	Subscribers can discuss issues relating to programming, databases,
	communications, LAN technology, pricing, and hardware. 
	This group will be open to users of DOS, OS/2, NOVELL, UNIX, AIX,
	etc. etc. based front and backends.

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From: boyd@colonial.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Boyd)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.rpg.board
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:35:03 GMT

I have no particular interest, one way or the other, as to
whether or not this group is created.

However, I do have a serious difference with the name of the
group.

As people have mentioned when responding to the message of
the person proposing this newsgroup, rec.games.RPG is a "bogus"
newsgroup. It is NOT official.

Adding a newsgroup in the hierarchy under that "bogus" group
is only going to cause confusion.

If you are going to create this newsgroup, a MUCH more appropriate
name would be as follows:

rec.games.FRP.board

The rec.games.frp.* hiearchy already exists and is fairly well
established.

The person proposing this new newsgroup has already demonstrated
a misunderstanding of the "FRP" while posting to the rec.games.frp.*
hierarchy.

FRP = FANTASY ROLE-PLAYING, but, as stated in the FAQs for the
rec.games.frp.* hierarchy, "fantasy" in no way shape or form
restricts to "Tolkienesque" fantasy. Science-fiction or any type
of fantasy gaming is encompassed under the "FRP" heading.

If those interested in the subjects encompassed decide to pass
this group, the name should really be changed to merge well with
the established hierarchy of Usenet.

Therefore, I propose changing the proposed name as follows:

REC.GAMES.FRP.BOARD


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