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From: preacher@who-knows-it-all
Subject: So You Think You Need a New NewsGroup?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:11:00 GMT

The purpose of this mailing is not  to flame anybody or hurt
any feelings.  

The ongoing discussion on the creation of  "alt.culture.bengali"
news group got me thinking.  I have never quite understood why some
of us have this insatiable yearning for a separate newsgroup
based on  our regionalism, language, religion etc.  Once we have
built these artificial walls all around us, will this trend stop?
I guess not, for then the more "enterprising"(read "short-sighted", 
insecure, etc.) among us will find some new excuses to seek separate
identity, may be based on the foods we eat, cars we drive, clothes 
we wear, which side of the bed we rise in the morning from, etc. 
ad nauseoum.

Folks, let us avoid this silliness.  Among its many flaws, one of the
charms of a forum like s.c.i. is it lets us share our rich backgrounds
with our brothers and sisters from India.   From postings on famous writers,
folktales, local customs, we enrich our mind and soul.  Readers will recall
those gems of contributions from our literary guru C.P. Ravikumar, most of
which were based on the south Indian writers.  It would not be an exaggeration
to state that we have learned more about our India through such
encounters after coming to the USA than we ever would have hoped to 
learn in India(unless of course one travelled for a living).
For this reason, it pained me to see the creation of derivatives of 
s.c.i., like soc.culture.tamil(to give an example).  
At a time when the need of the hour is unity, 
we can not afford to highlight our imaginary "differences".
By having a newgroup like s.c.t. you are sending out a message, we are not
interested in what you have to say and we can't be of interest to you.
( I remember seeing a s.c.i. poster who was recently chided for having cross
posted to s.c.t.!!!).  I think there is plenty of room for all Indians (and
those interested in India) to post on s.c.i.  From this mutual exchange
of ideas, thoughts, concerns, etc. we all can benefit.  For e.g., who 
knows a call for help for visa info from some one from one part of India
may be answered by an Indian belonging to a totally different part.  And
the same may apply(god forbid :-)) to a call for matrimonial.  

The world knows not and cares little which part of India we are from.
The results of fostering Hindu-Muslim-Sikh differences are transparent to 
all of us.  We blame these problems in India on the illiterate, unfortunate
masses.  However we are the so called literate people.  What is our
excuse!?!.  Let us learn to forget whatever differences we may have and 
instead draw strength from each other!

Remember: United We Stand and Divided We Fall.

Let us all say "NO" to new newsgroups.

-Thinker.
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 51
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:05:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47723
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


  	"nagak kuri varaigindra siththiramO !
         adhil naaNangaL thoorigai vaNNangalO !
   	 mugam endru adharkoru thalai nagarO !
   	 kaigaL moodiya kOttaik kadhavugalO ! !"
	
         From "KanavugalE, aayiram kanavugalE..."

	 Contributed by S.Periyasamy.

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PEACE LOVING ZIONISTS
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:17:33 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver


	"It should be clear that there is no room for both peoples in this
	country...If the Arabs leave, it is a large and open country; if they
	stay, it is small and poor.  Up to this point, Zionists have been
	content to 'buy land', but this is no way to establish a country for
	the Jews.  A nation is created in one move...and in that case, there
	is no alternative to moving the Arabs to the neighboring countries,
	moving them all, except perhaps those living in Bethlehem, Nazareth,
	and the Old City of Jerusalem.  Not one village, not one tribe must
	remain."
			Joseph Weitz
			1940
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re:  The Question of Culture
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:53:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1hkfbiINN3gg@life.ai.mit.edu> gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer) writes:


> Someone should explain to this twit what "People of Mohammad"
> and "People of Ibrahim" means.  He obviously has no clue.
> 
> Basalat Ali Raja.

Why don't you do it? I already posted what I thought it meant.
If people of Ibrahim means Semites and people of Mohammad means
Muslim Arabs, then if you take the union of the set it still
means Semites i.e. the descendants of Abraham via Sarah and
Hajjar.

If you take the intersection, it means Muslim
Arabs.


What does it mean? Explain to this twit who doesn't have a
clue. Please give a consistent interpretation. Give me
a clue.

What does "People of Abraham" and "People of Mohammad" mean ?
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Summary: Another tsk tsk!
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:18:01 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <nabeel.725741064@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> a@b.ca (G., N. M.) writes:
>
>   It is much nicer to know when to honour us with your tongue and when to
>shut up. If talking is of silver value then silance sometimes can be of
>gold value. This is in the ordinary situation, in your case, talking is
>of $%$^# value, so ponder about it.
>
>P.S. Why don't they choose you as the head of al-azhar? I think you know
>a lot more than the current head does, honest!
>
>P.P.S. Killing anyone is better than working in prostitution, for those who
>have some honour.
>
>**
>
>

That's not nice, Nabeel.  I never responded to any of your messages in
this tone (and flamatory messages they were!).  Do me the same courtesy:
If you have anything constructive to say, say it nicely.

Tamer Abdelgawad
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: PLO COVERUP
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:46:16 GMT


"The PLO will NOT become a political organization but will continue to
be above all an organization for armed struggle.  The PLO will not
cease its attacks on Israel in favor of a diplomatic initiative."

	Voice of Palestine
	Lebanon, Oct. 8, 1979


Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:5866 talk.politics.mideast:23979
From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Hamas and Anti-Semitism
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:09:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic

<1ha0qjINNrud@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>         The blatant anti-Semitism of Hamas
>         is yet further indication of how far Hamas has strayed
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>         from the good principles of Islam.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would like you to tell me what these good prinicples of Islam
that Hamas has strayed from are.
Maybe Jews know Islam better than Hamas.

	
	Respecting people regardless of their religion,
	for example.


-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Organization: LC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:16:20 GMT

In article <42786@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:
><1h585iINNduk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>>The crusaders took over Jerusalem over 90 years.  And the crusaders were
>>backed by whole Euorpe at the time, as is the Israel now.  Did muslim
>>gave up hope and said, "The cursaders are here to stay" and forgot about
>>Jersalem and Palestine?  No my friend.
>>After 90 years muslims liberated Jerusalem by Salah El-Deen.
>
>	Yes, the greatest of Kurds.  Now look how the Kurds have
>	been rewarded.  They have no self-determination, and
>	Iraq has obliterated over 4000 Kurdish towns and villages.
>	Since Iraq continues to occupy and oppress Kurdistan,
>	why is the existence of Iraq any more legitimate than that
>	of Israel?

TOO SARCASTIC.  According to the islamic accords, Islam does not 
differentiate between nationalities, colors, or races.  Therefore, 
regardless of the color of Salah Addeen,  he was a muslim.

As to the obduction of the Kurds, it is not happening in the name
of islam, it is happening in the name of nationalists such as
Saddam and waht have you.

>
>>Israel took over Jerusalem since 1967, it's been only 93-67=26 years,
>>                - or in the best case -
>>Israel existed since 1948, which is only 93-48 = 45 years.
>>If you can't continue the journey, step a side and let other people do
>>it while you're watching.
>>Islamic history repeats itself.  Tatar came to Iraq and devistated most
>>of the muslim world.  Did they last forever?  No.  Muslims came back
>>and defeated them.  The same case with crusaders.  And now, Islam is coming
>>back to do what it did before.
>
>>Is this unrealistic or is it not???
>
>	Some in this nuclear age might consider it a bit unrealistic
>	to model behavior on the period of the Crusades.
>
>-- 
>Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Subject: Postmaster at Carrasso's site : Followup
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:22:54 GMT

Here is another message I got from this fellow who calls himself
a postmaster.  I let you deduce why this site is used as a gateway
to spew racist and offensive messages.  


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Subject: Re: deportations - soc.culture.arabic #9074
To: bouguett@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:44:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Gefaell <jon@Turing.ORG>
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In reply to Athman Bouguettaya's mail:
>
>Ok.  I will take this matter further and you will regret your arrogant
>and insulting remarks.   You will hear from me very soon.
>
>Dr. Athman Bouguettaya

Your title does not impress me, nor do your fascist attempts to 
deny others freedom of speech. You do not impress me when you send
me mail asking me to 'see to it' that others have their freedoms
infringed. Had your complaint been that this user was attacking your
system, or somehow violating your rights, be assured that prompt action
would have been ensured. Your complaint, however, amounts to nothing more
than crybaby tattling.... Why not settle your own disputes instead of
trying to get authorities to act against individuals?

You need to move to some country wherein people are not free to say
what they want, and where people like YOU can decide what is and is
not acceptable.

Meanwhile, I am free to be arrogant and insulting to those I choose
and in your case it was an easy choice. I despise people like you and
your motives are the ugliest. 

Who are you going to take this matter to, further? I am the absolute
authority of what is acceptable from this site. Not you, Not anyone
else. The worst that can happen is that we (Turing) are denied our
link to the Internet. This system has suffered just that interference
and will terminate on December 29th. Your kind has won a battle, but
eventually will lose the war...

>
>


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From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PEACE LOVING ZIONISTS
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:57:56 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <4797@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
>	"It should be clear that there is no room for both peoples in this
>	country...If the Arabs leave, it is a large and open country; if they
>	stay, it is small and poor.  Up to this point, Zionists have been
>	content to 'buy land', but this is no way to establish a country for
>	the Jews.  A nation is created in one move...and in that case, there
>	is no alternative to moving the Arabs to the neighboring countries,
>	moving them all, except perhaps those living in Bethlehem, Nazareth,
>	and the Old City of Jerusalem.  Not one village, not one tribe must
>	remain."
>			Joseph Weitz
>			1940

And indeed this was what happened.  Menachem Begin writes in his all-time 
classic, THE REVOLT, about the effects of the ruthless attacks of 
Stern and Hagana against the unarmed Arab peasants:

"[Arabs throughout Palestine] were seized with limitless panic and started to 
flee for their lives.  This mass flight soon turned into a mad, uncontrollable 
stampede.  Of the about 800,000 Arabs who lived on the present territory of 
the State of Israel, only some 165,000 are still living there.  The political 
and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated."

Best Ahmad
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Iraq's third river, an economist article
Date: 25 Dec 1992 05:05:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subject:  Iraq's Third River - The Economist
 
Drains, oil and dissidents
The Economist - December 12th, 1992 page 54
FROM A SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT IN IRAQ
 
Mesopotamia no longer lies between two rivers. On December
7th modern-day Iraq celebrated the official opening of the
Third River, a vast drainage canal that flows midway between
the Tigris and the Euphrates. It has taken nearly 40 years
to complete.
 
The canal, with its channels and drainage pipes, is the
brainchild of an American consultant seeking ways in re-
claim the vast tracts of Iraq's agricultural land that have
become barren through salination. The treatment for salination
is leaching, washing the earth with sweet water to flush out
the salt. But leaching in turn produces saline water, which must
be got rid of. The answer was to drain it all into a single
big canal.
 
Work on the Third River began in l953 and has been going on
sporadically ever since, with pauses for revolutions, wars
and sanctions Dutch, German, South Korean, Chinese, Soviet
and East European contractors have all been involved. The
main canal is 565 kilo meters (351 miles) long, wide enough
to accommodate 5,000 tone barges carrying cargo from
southern Iraq to Baghdad, and will drain 15m hectares
(37m acres) of land, of which 300,000 hectares have already
been reclaimed. The waterway runs from Mahmudiya to Qunna,
crossing the Euphrates by tunnel at Nasiriyah. At its
southern end, its highly saline waters are discharged into
the northern, drainage, portion of the Basra "river", another
man-made channel running parallel to the blocked Shatt al-Arab,
and meant as a replacement for it.
 
The project became controversial after the Gulf war when it was
alleged that its true purpose was to drain a large area of
the southern marshes, thus destroying the way of life of the
marsh Arabs--and flushing out the Shia Muslim dissidents who
had taken refuge there (as Iraqi dissidents and ne'er do-wells
traditionally do). The Iraqis deny, as they would, any such
intention.
 
The Third River cuts across some 40 kilometres of Khor Hamar,
the larger of the main marshes, which lies west of the Tiers.
But the Iraqis claim that, far from draining the marsh water,
which is brackish, they have built a large dyke to protect
the marshes hrom the saline stuff in the canal. lf the water-level
in the marshes has fallen, they say, it is the fault of Turkey
and Syria, which have built dams that reduce the flow of the Euphra-
tes, and of Iran, which has diverted local streams that feed
the marshes.
 
But Iraq has an economic, as well as a political, interest in
any drying-out plan. Beneath the marshes are large and proven
oil fields - possibly a third of its known oil reserves.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
From: jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Joel Jacobsen)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:09:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic

malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:

>The founder is physically completely handicapped, and is in prison in
>occuppied Palestine. He is now very ill and losing his sight and hearing
>due to imprisonment conditions. 

 He has a private nurses and doctors in jail. I wonder what relation will
A Jewish soldier find in a HAMAS jail.....

>He was sentenced by a military tribunal
>to life  imprisonment and 15 years on  16/10/1991. The colonial forces
>don't allow him to perform an operation for his eyes.

 As far as I know it's not the true. He have FULL MEDICAL CARE in the jail.

>Where everyone including Jews can live in peace in Palestine.

 I leave in the so called 'occupied teritories'. I guess you call pease to the
situation which every one MUST carry a gun to protect his life in the roads.

 Only arabs drive (crazy I must say) with car windows open. Jewish peoples 
are worry from stones.

     Joel

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre,soc.culture.jewish
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: **HOW TO AUTOMATICLY POST LIKE HAMZA SALAH!!!**
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:41:21 GMT

uudecode the following and add it to .emacs file.  Then, when replying
to an article, type "M-x hamaz", and the article will automatically be
replied to, just as if Hamaz had replied yourself.  Each time you post
with this macro, you get 5 Hamaz points.  If you get 100 points you
become a jedi Hamaz and can go to hamas rallies and pass out racist
material jam packed with lies.  You also get a dinner date with Hamza
himself.  Think about it, ladies: "Hamza dining and dancing with *you*!"
Oh, the thrill.

hugs and kisses,

a zionist pig monkey boy

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From: oueichek@gram3 (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is  H a m a s  ??
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:02:50 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hamaza H. Salah (cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: Tamer AbdelJawad writes:
: 
: 
: Here is my proof:
: If you got enough of the ones in AlBaqarah, here is a new one:
: 
: Altawbah
: {
: 5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
: unbeleivers wherever you find them, and take them captives and
: besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if
: they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their
: way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
: }
: If these are instructions were given to muslims at the time of
: the prophet, can't we see if they were not islamic, quran would
: have not said them?

  Hamza, i feel really frightened by what you are writing here. However,
i'll try to follow you in your logic till the end.
  Would you please tell me (in modern terminology) WHO are those unbelievers ?.
I don't have my copy of the Koran handy, but i remember the word is 
"mushrikeen".
  However, whatever the interpretation of the "unbelievers" is, i think this
verse means (to you )that there are people who'll be slaughtered because of 
their religious belief, which is something definitly unacceptable in our time
(And it's not because there has been an inquisition in Spain that there should
be one in the Arabic world).
  I remember that once i flammed one of our dearest Israel supporters at tpm 
specifically because he insisted that Islam encouraged slaughter of non Muslims.
Now you are giving such people an argument to bash your religion and your 
belief. I'll stress that your ideas are really new to me, and that my impression
about Muslims is that they were much more tolerant than that you are trying to
say they should be. And while life for nonMuslims wasn't really great under 
Muslims role (and sometimes it was definitly bad), there has been very few cases
where Muslims killed people because of their belief, and i'll not account Islam
as responsable for these events, it was rather political ambitions.
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