HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: My first Century!!!
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:03:33 GMT

> brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride) writes:

>I felt real strong and, I DID IT!  I don't know if 5 1/2 hours to do a century
>in, is any good but, that was my time.

Alright, I'll be the wise guy.  Was that a metric century?

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From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Weight-loss program
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:06:07 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton

In article <1992Sep15.025344.25673@synapse.bms.com> mitroka@bms.com writes:

>Does anyone out there have a good biking program for 
>loosing weight (about 10 lbs) ?   Long and slow or short and fast?
>Thanks/ Jim Mitroka   TInton Falls, NJ

The consencus of exercise physiologists that I've read is that the longer
workout will burn more fat than a short intense one.

The actual distances and frequencies of your rides  will depend on your
initial condition, age, motivation level, and time available.  Since you
have the rest of your life to loose excess weight it is safer to take the
slow conservative route rather than risk burning yourself out by trying to
loose X pounds by Y date.  Find a nice cycling club that has a rides in a
variety of speeds and distances and start riding with them.  You will be
much more likely to stick with cycling if it is a social activity as well
as exercise.  Just be sure to take it easy on the beer and pizza that
often follows these rides.

ride with the wind...

Bruce  -  jackson@cs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:14:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.171025.7626@mmm.serc.3m.com> ccg@tcdsp1.mmm.com ("Charles Ganzhorn") writes:
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>
>ENOUGH!
>
>Bikes, remember folks?  Some women work on bikes, some don't.  Some men
>work on bikes, some don't.  Some people who work on bikes shouldn't. 
>The world isn't binary.
>
>By now haven't you folks realized that people are individuals regardless
>of race, sex, creed, sexual orientation, etc, etc, etc.  There is no
>such thing as a 100% TOTALLY, and I mean in all ways shapes and forms,
>homogenous group when you are talking people.
>
>If someone doesn`t work on their bike, it eventually becomes unrideable
>and then SOMEONE is going to have to deal with it.  How they deal with
>it is NOT directly linked to what kind of genitalia they happen to be
>sporting.

I agree with Charles - haven't we beaten this thread to death by now.  There
are likely as many opinions on this as there are readers to this newsgroup.

Mike Thompson                |   Clever .signiture not included
unislc!miket                 |   primarily because I don't have
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com  |   one.
From: nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NiCads in the Cateye Halogen Headlight?
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:44:36 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Sep9.120215.187699@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  
(DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER) writes:
> Hello all,
> 
>         I'd like to increase the versatility and especially the thrift
> of the Cateye HL500 Halogen Headlamp by using rechargeable NiCad "C"
> cells in place of standard C cells.  As I alredy own two HL500's, this
> would be a very inexpensive was to upgrade to a rechargeable system.
> 
>  If anyone has tried this combination, please let me know via E-mail
> or posting.
> 
>                                                 Thanks,
>                                                         Derrick
I have been doing this for about four years with various Cateye lights and  
other flashlights, with good results, though I only started using a HL500 about  
a year ago.  I keep one recharger at home and one at my office, and I have two  
sets of batteries which travel back and forth as it seems convenient.

HOWEVER:
I don't often use my lights for rides other than commuting, which for me is  
20-30 minutes each way. I recharge the batteries slightly more than once a  
week, under these conditions.  I have not tried to determine how long a single  
fresh charge lasts under continuous use; depending on what you intend to do, it  
might not be long enough for you.

I have also noticed that the NiCad cells seem to have difficulty delivering  
power at subzero temperatures.

Anyway, I like them, and there are plenty of people on the net who know more  
about the technicalities than I do.
				-Preston
From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hubs built for straight spokes
Summary: Is this JT speaking..
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:11:01 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <1992Sep4.010440.9521@news.iastate.edu>, tomes@iastate.edu writes:
> 
> the reason that yon individual feels that a mountain bike never breaks spokes
> but that a road bike does could be that he runs low tire pressures in the road 
> bike, bottoming often and putting his probably not tensioned wheels through 
> some extreme cycles.     (heh heh heh)

I noticed that your moniker is "tomes". Are you the "tomes" of Mountain Bike
and Road Racing Fame ? Former Motorola Team member, former Grundig World Cup
Champion, former member of the MBA wrecking crew ? Is that you John ?

Boy this newsgroup is really going upscale :-)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:19:11 EDT
From: Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Anyone See Mountain Bike Special on PBS?
Distribution: usa

In article <5667@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, angst@shamrock.ucsb.edu (love) says:
>
>About 2-3 months ago, there was a TV special about the evolution of
>the mountain bike and had some tie-in with Fisher mountain bikes in
>Marin County.
>

You could probably get this video directly from PBS. A good place to
start would be talking to your local PBS affiliate.  They are usually
pretty good about that stuff.  Good luck, and if you are successful,
let me know. It sounds like a pretty good video.

-Chad
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride)
Subject: My first Century!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:35:00 GMT

  Ladies and Gentlemen  (and children of all ages!!)

  I'd like to share with the newsgroup a personal milestone of mine that
I accomplished this past Sunday:  my first century!!!!!  
  When I went out to ride on Sunday I had no intention of doing a century.
I had thought at the time that I would do a light ride.  But, things clicked,
I felt real strong and, I DID IT!  I don't know if 5 1/2 hours to do a century
in, is any good but, that was my time.  I'm sure it's not overly fast but...
  The sense of accomplishment afterwards was a rush in itself.  I'm really
happy of this accomplishment.  Granted, the route was relatively flat, with
a couple of abominations of hills but, it was nevertheless strenuous.
  Anyway, yesterday I paid for it as my legs were sore as hell but, today
I feel ok again. Can't wait 'til the next one!!!!!!
  One other thing I did realise after the ride:  clipless pedals are NOT for
me.  During the ride I noted a pain in my leg, right below the knee but on
the side.  It bothered me at first but I pedalled through it.  (The pedals
I have are Shimano 105's, rather cheap, and my foot doesn't get any lateral
movement at all: sort of anchored in, so I guess that might be part of the
problem).  I think I'll stick with my "rat cages" from now on.
  ANyway, that's about it.
From: marksteg@merv.detroit.sgi.com (Mark Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: New bike rider looking for a manual
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:35:48 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Look in a cycling magazine (any) and you will see a add for Performance cycling products. Generally with your first order you get a Guide to Bicycle Maintainance. It is a pictorial guide which is fairly good and great place to start. Good luck.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com (Andre Giroux - SSS Sun Montreal)
Subject: World Cup event in Quebec...
Reply-To: andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:53:31 GMT

Finally...

World cup mountain biking event close to my house...

This next weekend (sep 19/20) in Bromont will be held a Grundig race.
I'll be there on sunday for the final, on my bike trying to get strategic
spots to see them go... I'll take some notes and keep the newsgroup updated
on what happened...

andre


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From: crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Performance
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Performance Bicycle Shop
P.O. Box 2741
Chapel Hill, N.C. 27514

Orders-(800) 727-2453
Customer Service-(800) 727-2433

You can call the customer service # and have them send you a catalog if
the call would be cheaper than a letter.


Ride on, 
Raydude.

"Ray, a man unburdened by the rigors of coherent thought." 
          -a Brannonism quoted by George Heinz
From: fulks@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE: bicycling in Columbia, SC
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:17:37 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Columbia SC is a GREAT place for bicycling.  While living in Aiken, SC
for five years, I ventured to Columbia a few times, notably riding with
Lon Halderman and wife on one occasion in the early 1980's.  It is especially
good for road bikes, and there is a very active club in Columbia, as well as
some very good racing teams. 

Columbia is the capitol, and back in the mid 80's they had a very good
bicycle map for the state available free from somewhere there at the 
capitol.

Don't know much about renting a bicycle there, but the two best shops
were in an area called 'little five points', or something like that.
I think the better of the shops was called "Outspokin" where my wife
bought her Colnago.  This shop might have been bought out by an
equally good shop out of Augusta, GA owned by Brent Audry (don't recall
the name of the shop).  

You will find downtown Columbia a bit hilly and congested, but tolerable.
The outskirts are very good and open for bicyclying.  There is a very
good sandwitch shop downtown called "Andy's" or the like - try 
"The Rocket" if you go.  Some neat outdoor cafes too.

Good luck!

	-Steve Fulks
	Utah State University


proud owner of a Peugeot PX-10, 1971 vintage, full campy.





Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: vance@mtxinu.COM (Vance Vaughan)
Subject: communication with an Australian bike race?
Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:17:31 GMT


Hello,

I'm trying to find a way to get information onto the net from people
participating in the Australian Bike Challenge.  This is a 3000+ mile
race from west to east across Australia starting on 13 September.
For those of you who don't know, that's mostly desert, most
of the road is unpaved, and there are almost no towns.

Ideally, we could find someone in Australia who could take a brief
message each day and forward it back to us via EMail.  We can forward
any information to other network folks, news media, relatives, etc.
I'm not exactly sure what communication failities will be available
to the race entourage.  It may be limited to radio, I'm still trying
to get details from the race promoter.

If you can help yourself, or know someone who might be able to help,
or have any ideas at all, please contact me!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Vance Vaughan                mt Xinu, 2560 Ninth St., Berkeley, CA  94710  USA
  (510) 644-0146	       vance@mtxinu.com
  (510) 644-2680 FAX	       {ucbvax,uunet}!mtxinu!vance

The basic currency is human attention.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

PS: A few facts about the Australian Bike Challenge

3000 Mile Bicycle Race Across Australia
Starts 13 September, the plan is to finish in three weeks.
Mostly dirt roads
It's never been done before
About 40 racers from Australia, the US, Europe.
Elaine Mariolle, winner of the 1986 Race Across AMerica, is one of the riders.

It will be run as a stage race, but the stages are not pre-determined.
They will stop and camp each day wherever the lead rider is at a specified time.


For you information, the promoter is:
Hans Tholstrup
Australian Bike Challenge

Energy Promotions
1074 Pacific Highway
Pymble  NSW 2073
Australia 

fax:61+2-449-8767
tel:61+2-988-4255


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  Vance Vaughan                mt Xinu, 2560 Ninth St., Berkeley, CA  94710  USA
  (510) 644-0146	       vance@mtxinu.com
From: lindah@darkover.EBay.Sun.COM (Linda Hallloran)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Oct 11:  Riverbank Wine&Cheese versus Ride around the Bay
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:33:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lindah@darkover.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkover.ebay.sun.com

I'm trying to decide whether to do the Ride around the Bay (monterey) or
one of the Riverbank (Modesto) rides on Oct.11.  Can anyone tell me
what either one is like?  - heat, hills, food, (the important stuff)!
---

Linda Halloran
Unix DBA Group/AIS
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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Table of Grades of Selected Roads in the Santa Cruz Mtns
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:10:42 GMT

Bruce Hildenbrand writes:

> I got this 100 inch section of road out behind my house that measures
> 30% grade.  I ride it every day, and in the big ring.  I am sending my
> resume to every pro team I can think of, Miguel Indurain, watch out!!!!!

Hey Bruce, have you been taking lessons from Tom Kunich?  No one said that
these represented 100 inch long sections of road.  What was done, was to
use a 100 inch rule on a representative section of road, neither on bumps
or holes in the pavement, and measure the gradient.  If you know of a more
precise way, maybe you can write about it.  The purpose of these measurements
was to answer the question "Wow, how seep do you think that piece of road
is?"  To this question, all sorts of numbers, including angles, have been
thrown about.  Ray's books typify the roads described in average gradients
while the table is a summary of "hot spots" that so often come under
discussion.

What makes you go an the attack when Ray goes out on the roads and accurately
measures what no one else seems to have time to do other than to conjecture
about it.  I believe most riders are glad to have some reliable numbers for
this.  Why do you fault his measurements?

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: twilhite@nyx.cs.du.edu (Timothy R. Wilhite)
Subject: Newsgroups
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:14:08 GMT


What are the new groups that have been added on the subject of bicycles?
Thanks in advance.

 -timothy r. wilhite

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Sep 1992 06:48:05 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
> This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
> of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
> blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?
>
> racer: I cruise at about 15 - 16 (flat no wind) without breaking much of
> a sweat or breathing heavilly.  This is on an LL Bean Acadia (cheap ATB),
> with a lead-alloy frame.

Donating a pint of blood shouldn't have much impact on your commute.
I regularly donate, and have noticed a difference for a few days after
on occasion, but only when training at or near my AT (about 180-185
BPM).  At a slower pace, there isn't any real effect.  Other times,
though, I forgot to remember that I had just given blood, and didn't
lose any speed at all.  Maybe it's all psychological.  You should be
careful if you start feeling dizzy or faint, but the benefits of
giving a pint of blood and of bicycle commuting are not mutually
exclusive.

(or... Bleed with speed)

(sorry)

Mark Hickey
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:48:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


*      This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
*      of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
*      blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?

I've done that many times, no problem.  Have you ever donated blood before?
If you didn't have problems then go for it. 

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   	    (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pwinkler@netcom.com (Paul Winkler)
Subject: Re: Recommendations needed for Shaw's Lightweight Cycles
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:40:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba


I too was impressed by Shaw's during the recent purchase of my first
bike.  The salesman was very knowlegable informative, and helpful.  He
even recommended that I try another shop where I 
might find last year's model of the bike I was interested in for less.

The shop he recommended (and other friends of mine recommended) was 
Slough's Bike Shoppe on Race St. just north of San Carlos in San Jose.
This is where I bought my mount.  I'd recommend that you know what
you want before you go in there, because it is a very small shop, and
George is frequently swamped with customers.  Very knowlegeable and 
helpful, just busy as hell most times I've been in there.  He has very good 
prices on models from previous years (at least in the Bianchi line).

Just my $0.02

-Paul
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From: dangold1@iastate.edu (Daniel M Goldman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Recumbant Bikes
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:11:53 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <1992Sep13.032951.3993@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu> jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James Gillespie) writes:

>I've been reading this group for a few days now, and I haven't seen much
>mentioned in the way of recumbant bikes.  Are there any recumbant riders out
>there?

>Along the same line, there is a bike shop around here that is selling a 
>recumbant bike.  It is used (many chips and scratches in the paint, mechanics
>look okay) and they are asking $500 for it.  Is this a good deal?  I couldn't
>find a name on it, could it have been a custom built?  Where would be a good
>site for replacement parts, as some of them are pretty specialized.

>Recumbant riders, please E-mail me with your experiences riding a "strange"
>looking bike.

>Thanks in advance!!

>James
>jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu

  I'm shopping too.  There's lots of discussion on hpv@sonoma.edu.  If you
post there and read you will learn plenty. -DmG
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tucker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andy Tucker)
Subject: Re: RACE REPORT: Nor Cal District Crit Championship
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.174943.17909@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> kjm@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Kevin J. Metcalfe) writes:
>I had no
>teammate with any chance in the sprint so I just covered a couple of attacks
>until Dan Spott, Frank Soscia and another guy went up the road.

That's Frank Scioscia.  The other guy was Mike Murray of Spectrum.
Mike and Scott McKinley tied for 3rd, with Mike winning the coin toss
for the 3rd place merchandise.  Frank finished out of the top 10.

-- 
Andy Tucker
tucker@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Keywords: clothes
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:48:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.122442.11624@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> jdu@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (john.d.unruh) writes:
>The feet are the real problem.  The only way I have found to keep them
>warm is using ski boot heaters.  I use some rechargable ones I got from
I've had good luck with neoprene booties, at least down to about 20F. St.
Louis hasn't gotten much colder than that since I bought them so I can't
say anything about colder temps.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Subject: Re: bugno wins the World Championship for the second time!
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:58:15 GMT

>Mike Whitman writes:

>Unless Bart has made the recovery of the century he is still resting from his
>accident at the US Track Nationals. He and his partner both came off BAD in 
>the tandem race. For more details see your local bike magazines. Bart is doing
>OK as far as the last reports that I heard on him.

I think you have your Barts confused. Someone asked about Bart Bowen, US
Pro Champion, not Bart Bell, the guy who crashed at the US track nationals.

Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 17:43:01 -0400 
From: "Christopher L. McGee" <cm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: quality stuff for sale 

All this stuff is in great condition.  Pretty much brand new and well
taken care of.  Questions should be directed to John @ 412-247-4969, or
to this account cm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu.   I think most prices are
negotiable, but i'm just the secretary.

1.  Campy Chorus crankset.  172.5 arms, 52/42 rings.  Pretty as Campy gets- $75

2.  Rock Shox Mag 20 with 1 1/8 steerer tube (approx 220 mm long).  used
twice.  $200

3.  Mountain Bike Wheelset- Sun Chinook Rims (anodized), Wheelsmith, and
Nuke Proof Hubs.  very light.  asking $135.00

4.  Speed play pedals (lollipops)  barely used.  cleats included--$100.  
--chris
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rkd@pt.com (Ray Downes)
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Keywords: n
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:39:44 GMT

(Chris Moll) writes:
	Keith Erskine writes:
		(Michael S. Wong) writes:
		
			I've found that both a Sedis SL and a
			Campy-Rohloff shift a HG cassette better than
			an HG-70, HG-90, or HG-91 chain (I haven't
			tried an HG DA Chain).


		I found just the opposite, that the Sedis SL did not
		shift as well as an HG-90 chain.

	Are y'all comparing the same thing - ie., a new, clean, lubed
	chain on clean cogs?  I'm sure a clean Sedissport chain would
	shift better than a dirty Hyperglide chain and vice versa.

For me, the Sedisport worked better - from the postings I've seen there
seems to be roughly a 50/50 balance one way or another. One detail I
personally didn't try was to readjust the indexed posistion of the
derailler from one chain to another - maybe this accounts for the
difference?
-- 
Ray Downes, Performance Technologies Incorporated		rkd@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620		  
Voice - (716) 256-0200, FAX (716) 256-0791