HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@mycenae.cchem.Berkeley.EDU (Mike L. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Roch. weather '92 stats
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:31:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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 from the Rochester (NY) Democrat and Chronicle, January 3, 1993
     by Steve Orr

  Score: Sun 33, Clouds 333

  There are so many truly important New Year traditions: the first
baby, the new diet, bad TV shows.

  Then, of course there's the end-of-year weather summary.  With no
more ado, here are a few reminders of 1992's weather.

 * Days of glorious, unbroken sunshine: 33
 * Gloomy days with absolutely no sunshine: 80
 * Longest stretch with no sunshine: 138 hours (Feb. 13-19)
 * Extra sunshine due to Leap Year: 2 hours, 5 minutes (on Feb. 29)

 * Days when it didn't rain, drizzle, or snow: 124
 * Days when it rained: 143
 * Days when it snowed: 100
 * Days on which thunderstorms occurred: 29
 * Days with hailstorms: 0

 * Tornadoes that touched down in Western New York: 3
 * Miles from Rochester to the nearest touch-down point: 50 
    (Newstead, Erie County)
 * Most recent year a major tornado touched down within 
    the city of Rochester: 1932
 * Hurricanes with major impact on Rochester: 1 (Andrew)
 * Maximum reported wind speed as Hurricane Andrew struck 
    south Florida: 204 mph
 * Maximum wind speed as the remnants of Hurricane Andrew struck
    Rochester: 31 mph
 * Strongest wind gust in Rochester: 67 mph (Nov 13)
 * Days on which winds never gusted about 10 mph: 5

 * Days above 90 degrees: 0
 * Days below 32 degrees: 138
 * Months in which the temperature never fell below 50 degrees at
    least once: 0

 * Hour of the day in which the most rain fell this summer: 4 to 5 pm
 * Hour of the day in which the least rain fell: 9 to 10 am
 * Percentage of the 104 weekend days during which rain or snow fell: 73


Just thought people might be interested...
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C1G1GF.KIz@acsu.buffalo.edu>, feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes...
>In article <1993Jan18.231104.10393@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>....
>>:>* A clean Your Host restaurant, somewhere ...
>>: 
>>: You mean it's really "Your Host" and not "Your Lost"?
>>
>>I've noticed that too.  I don't think a Your Host has been updated (or cleaned  
>>for that matter) since the late 1960s.  Most have a few plastic food buckets  
>>over counter stool supports, and semi-functional Seeburg jukeboxes whose  
>>selections haven't been changed since 1982.  Your Hosts are quite popular with  
>>the elderly, who seem drawn to old, dirty restaurants like these.  They're  
>>slowly disappearing, usually when an old shopping center that one is located in  
>>is renovated or torn down.  

I should amend my previous post again. There is a Your Host on the Boulevard
opposite the mall-still.

"Fine art and pizza delivery-                   Dan Case
 what we do falls neatly in between!"		V140PXGT@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
		-David Letterman		Prodigy: WDNS15D
	State University of New York at Buffalo
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From: mike@donut.endicott.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:10:35 GMT
Reply-To: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

In article <1993Jan23.231217.8270@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>,
jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello) writes:
|> an4140@anon.penet.fi writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I'd just like to put in a good word for Pat Mitchell's Ice Cream,
|> >spiedies, and the Park Diner.  It's been lo these many years, but
|> >I still have fond memories...
|> 
|> It's not obvious, but the anonymous poster is extolling the virtues of
|> Endicott and Binghamton.
|> 
|> To which I'd like to add:
|> 	1.  Jim Roma's pizza and deli
|> 	2.  The Oasis in Johnson City
|> 	3.  PMP German deli in Johnson City
|> 	4.  Rita's in Endicott
|> 
|> NC is great but good pizza is really hard to find here.
|> -- 
|>                    Jay Novello                 jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu
|> University of North Carolina Institute for Transportation Research
and Education
|>                          Raleigh, North Carolina, USA

CORTESE Pizza, absolutely the BEST!!!
Italian bread from both Felix and Jim Roma's.


Mike                              __  __o         / "Everythin's IMHO,
Kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com       __   \<,        /    and nobody else's!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ______()/ ()______/
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From: ealbrigo@cos.com (Ed J. Albrigo)
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:16:13 GMT


Know of Baldwinsville?  I grew up in Solvay, N.Y.  Whiskey Hollow
was one of the places we drove to in order to have parties
outside of the reach of the Solvay police.

Ed
-- 
- Edward J. Albrigo @ Corp. for Open Systems, McLean, VA -- ealbrigo@cos.com
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From: steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: New demarcation between upstate and downstate needed
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:34:19
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
	<C16Cwp.6oK@acsu.buffalo.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com
In-reply-to: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 20 Jan 93 22:54:00 GMT

In article <C16Cwp.6oK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:

   Which is, of course, my point in a nutshell. It's cultural more than anything 
   else, and (anybody listening? this is a hint) there's a whole master's thesis 
   in cultural geography that can be derived from this.

Indeed. "Saturday Night Live" has spread downstate culture far and wide (too
much so, IMHO).
--
Steve Anthony                     |  "Ain't nobody gettin' outta here |
Software Engineer              	  |   with out singin' the blues"     |
(617) 234-4000                    |                                   |
steveo@think.com                  |  - Albert "The Iceman" Collins    |
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From: lester@soldev.tti.com (jim)
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:28:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.004635.25092@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>* Henry's Hamburgers
Ernie Warlick's burger franchise on Main St (I forget what chain it was)
>* Deco, one of the last remnants of the _1930s_ era restaurant chains in  
>Buffalo.
I loved those $.05 glass coffees-to-go.
>* Sears on Main and Jefferson
And the nearby Freddie's Donuts (now an NFT garage, I believe).
>* The Buffalo Braves (and commercials like "The Buffalo Braves ... are here to  
>stay!" Yeah, right ...)
Moved to San Diego; moved to L.A.  Now The Clippers.
>   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
Ahh, memories.
Jim Lester

P.S.  If anyone has 2 Super Bowl tix to sell for under $300 each, please
      respond.  I live too close to Pasadena to miss this Bills game!
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
			 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
			  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:24:14 GMT

> reynard@romeo.caltech.edu (Greg Reynard) writes:
: In article <1jknanINN163@spim.mti.sgi.com>, bglazier@buffalo.mti.sgi.com

> -  Anderson's Lemon Ice at their original location on Sheridan
: 
:^^^Still around, I'm pretty sure, although they did open a new one on Main
:Street in Williamsville

Still around, and featured in commercials for the Time Life "Rock of the 50s"  
CD set (or something like that).  All the scenes in both the short commercial  
and the long infomercial were filmed in Tonawanda and Kenmore.
 
> -  Ted's Red Hots
: 
: ^^^Anyone remember Pat's Hotdogs across the street.  I still remember a
: news report about the rivalry that ended with the reporter standing in the
: middle of Sheridan, with a hotdog in each hand

Yes, and the hell that you had to go through to order one.  Order dogs in  
window 1, order drinks in window 2, pick up suff at window 3, pay at window 4.   
Another one of those "Put-way-out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-and-nobody-thought-
it-would-succeed-but-the-suburbs-grew-around-it" stores.  Well worth the lines,  
though.

Buffalo UL (urban legend): In the 1920s, the Buffalo Evening News/Buffalo  
Times/Courier Express gave away parcels of suburban land with every ome  
delivery subscription to the paper.  The depression hit a few years later, and  
most of the land was lost due to tax foreclosures, but some people still held  
on to their property. In the early 1960s, the people that held on to their land  
became millionaires (or at least very wealthy) when their land was bought out  
to build Boulevard Mall/Eastern Hills Mall/Sheridan Plaza.

In a somewhat related (to the above) story, in 1940 my grandparents sold their  
two acres of "get-away-from-it-all" land in East Amherst for $1,000.  

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: New demarcation between upstate and downstate needed
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <STEVEO.93Jan22101858@custard.think.com>, steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony) writes...>In article <C183t1.ABx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>Jeez, I didn't find it that funny. Of course the fact that they
>mispronouced town names and obviously had no idea how to get from one place
>to another had something to do with my frustration with the sketch.
> 
>Of course, your milage may vary, so to speak. 

Well, Adam Sandler reminded me of too many Bostonians I knew both at the 
Exploration summer program at Wellessley and later at Syracuse, who probably
*would* know how many Dunkin' Donuts there were between Hartford and Boston,
whcih of them were drive-throughs, and which ones had "a wicked fat kid".

>But to put some upstate thought back into this thread, I think that the
>upstate-downstate idea is only germaine to downstaters. Everyone else
>would describe themselves as being from the area they live in; not Upstate.
>IE, Syracusians would call themselves Central NYers; Potsdamians, Northern
>NYers; Buffalonians, Western NYers, etc. 

Probably. Downstaters tend to lump everything between Ripley and Rouses Point
into one big whole. But having grown up from a relatively downstate perspective,
I want to figure out just where that big whole begins, because I think the old
definition doesn't work anymore owing to the expansion of the NY metropolitan 
area.

> 
>So to me, it's a downstate-nondownstate demarcation that's needed.
> 
>Yet another $0.02.
> 
>--
>Steve Anthony                     |  "Ain't nobody gettin' outta here |
>Software Engineer              	  |   with out singin' the blues"     |
>(617) 234-4000                    |                                   |
>steveo@think.com                  |  - Albert "The Iceman" Collins    |
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From: r_anderson@nova.enet.dec.com (Rick Anderson)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Reply-To: r_anderson@nova.enet.dec.com (Rick Anderson)
Organization: DEC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:49:50 GMT


In article <C18IJr.81D@world.std.com> fybush@world.std.com (Scott D
Fybush) writes:
>I always used to hate seeing "Brockport" on the list of cancellations,
>because it meant they had passed by "Brighton" without announcing it
>was cancelled :-(!

Let's face it - Brighton was *always* the last to close.  Even then, it
still took an "event" like the blizzard of '77 to do it :-)

I forget his name now, but the Brighton school administrator was from
Utah, and anything less than 7 feet of snow wasn't worth shovelling...

Rick
--
**********************************************************
* Rick Anderson          * Digital Equipment Corporation *
* "My timing is Digital" * Database Systems Division     *
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From: visbieda@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Bieda)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I feel inadequate; I was at home when the Blizzard hit.  Still, I recall that
there was a good bit of snow on the ground that morning (was school closed?),
and I was outside, with my dad, wrestling with a cranky Toro.  We had managed
to get the damn thing running, and I had reached the bottom of the driveway on
the first pass, when something made me look to the west, up the street.

There was a peculiar fog (was it, or a cloud), coming rather rapidly toward us. 
The local truckers used our street for a short cut too often, and clouds of
diesel fumes were not unknown to us.  

And it hit: a 60mph wind, holding enough snow to blind, and not letting up
after what I knew would be a single massive gust.  (Hah!)

Dad was about five feet away, but I couldn't see him, and the wind was almost
strong enough to knock me down.  Thankfully, the snowblower weighed a few
stone, and I was able to hold onto it.  Apparently Dad lunged toward the sound,
and grabbed one of the handles too.

We managed to turn the machine around, and let it pull us back up the drive
(thank heaven for self-propulsion!).  When we reached the garage, we were faced
with the dilemma of how to get back into the house without our mechanical St.
Bernard, but since the rear entrance was in a wind shadow, we managed.

We emerged two days later, when the winds subsided (remember, there was little
snowfall in the Blizzard--what was terrible was the way a recent heavy snowfall
was whipped about by a brutal gale, sustained winds in excess of 60mph being
the Weather Service's definition of a blizzard, after all).  That was a sight:
eight foot drifts, buried cars, no indications of streets, as snow stretched
evenly from house to house.

Only the soft tones of snowmobiles, pressed into service by the local
gendarmerie, disturbed a silence I suspect I will never experience again.
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From: sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman)
Subject: Re: Minor League Hockey coming to Syracuse?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:29:07 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Jeremy D Hall (jdh@math.psu.edu) wrote:
: While talking to my parents yesterday, they mentioned that apparently some
: group is trying to lure the Roanoke Valley Rebels of the East Coast Hockey 
: League to Syracuse.  Is there any truth to this?  It would be nice to have a
: team there (c'mon, even UTICA has a team!).

: -Jeremy Hall
: -Penn State Univ.
: -Syracuse (Liverpool, actually) native
: jdh@math.psu.edu

The Roanoke Valley RAMPAGE (new name this year)  won it's first game in a
while last night.  The quality of hockey down here is just not what it
should be.  Fine, send 'em to Seeracyooz!  Maybe they'll get better.
-- 
Scott Dittman                    email: sdittman@wlu.edu
University Registrar             talk: (703)463-8455   fax: (703)463-8024
Washington and Lee University    snail mail:  Lexington Virginia 24450
From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:23:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:

>Regarding Sherkston ... I'm afraid we're losing the Canadian Beach heritage  
>that so many of us grew up with.  Not too long ago, the average Buffalonian  
>used to be able to afford rental on a beachfront cottage.  Proletarians and  
>college kids could rent out a cottage set back a bit further at astonishingly >low rents.  A lot of blue-collar types could buy a summer home in Fort Erie,  
>and commute to work in Buffalo.  
>Now, the yuppie types are beginning to take over the Canadian lakeshore, as
> the small cottages we enjoyed are being torn down for million dollar homes.
>Toronto residents are also discovering the Erie shore, realizing that it's a  
>lot cheaper than going up to Lake Simcoe for the holidays.  I hope there'll be  
>something left when I have kids, someplace that I can take them that's fun,  
>affordable, and not infiltrated with Buffalo new money and Tornoto yuppie folk. 

	That whole beach front area has really developed, but there are a 
lot of crafty individuals like myself that find a place to camp/hang out with
friends.  You just gotta find the right spots.  You gotta find the right 
spots to sneak into Sherkston too.  We used to also get cottages in Silver
Creek on Lake Erie that was pretty cool.
	I desperately want to rent a cottage up in the Canada area.  That would
be intense.  I wonder?  Hmmm...maybe I'll ask my parents....anyway......
	That whole place is one of the reasons for my existence.  It's so
awesome there.

	Steve Knezevich
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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: New demarcation between upstate and downstate needed
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <STEVEO.93Jan21093419@custard.think.com>, steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony) writes...
>In article <C16Cwp.6oK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
> 
>   Which is, of course, my point in a nutshell. It's cultural more than anything 
>   else, and (anybody listening? this is a hint) there's a whole master's thesis 
>   in cultural geography that can be derived from this.
> 
>Indeed. "Saturday Night Live" has spread downstate culture far and wide (too
>much so, IMHO).

A good point-some of the best most recent sketches (Like "Coffee Talk") depend
on New York City in-jokes. I'll be sitting there laughing my head off (having
grown up in Northern New Jersey) and my fiancee, a native Buffalonian, will be
going "huh?".

Although have shown a willingness to be do other regionally based humor (like
the "Da Bears" sketches and the New England game show they did last month 
"How do I get there" which was *very* funny if you'd spent any time in New 
England, but if not, not).

>--
>Steve Anthony                     |  "Ain't nobody gettin' outta here |
>Software Engineer              	  |   with out singin' the blues"     |
>(617) 234-4000                    |                                   |
>steveo@think.com                  |  - Albert "The Iceman" Collins    |
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From: eam@mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ed A. Mills)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:02:24 GMT
Organization: Melbourne FL

Well, I'm probably dating myself here.. but the REAL blizzard wasn't in '77. I
think we missed an afternoon of classes at 'SU over that..  No, the REAL 
blizzard was in the '60s, 66 I think 'cause I remember it was a year after the
great blackout.

My uncle was visiting from Hanover NH, and, as a small lad, I remember
he was leaving to go home on a Monday. I told him I wished we'd get a snow
storm so he'd have to stay.. Well, for once my wish came true.. I think he 
finally was able to leave the following Saturday.  

We have pictures of the driveway with 4 cars parked there, and so much snow
that there was no sign of them at all..  And our second story picture window
about 1/2 convered by a drift.. There was no sign of mailboxes, roads, even
some large trees disappeared.

I also recall the girl down the street started choking, and a lady across the
street had to "roll" over there to help her because walking was impossible.
The ambulance could only get within a mile or so of the house; somehow they sno-
mobilied her to the ambulance..

Anyhow, we missed at least 4 days of school I recall, which was great!  I 
don't think there has been a snowstorm even close to that since then.  I lived
in Syracuse in 1977, but the Blizzard of '66 was FAR more memorable..

Ed
Oran New York (a Church, Softball Field,  & a Post Office - 
               Who could ask for anything more??)
From: brance@outrider.Kodak.COM (Michael Branciforte)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:08:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1jkp1gINNi48@phakt.usc.edu>, sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich) writes:
|> wdl@berlioz.nsc.com (Bill Llewellyn) writes:
|> 
|> >Fantasy Island theme park on Grand Island (still there?)
|> >Gosh, it's been so long I've forgotten most of it. 
|> >Has anyone else out there found that his newsgroup is a great place
|> >to get homesick? 
|> 
|> 	It's so strange that you mention this.
|> 	Yes, Fantasy Island is still there, but it's decrepit.  Don't even
|> go there for the memories...it's really a living hell.  I think some kids 
|> died there last year...anyway...cool picnic stuff.
|> 	Anyone ever go to Sherkston?  Now, that is the kicking place.
|> 	I live in LA now and I still miss Sherkston massively.  That was such
|> an awesome beach.  When I go back to Buffalo for Summer I go check out those
|> little beach strips.  It's so awesome there...go at night and party till dawn..
|> yuck, but then I had to go to work....wow, I don't want to think about that...
|> 
|> 	Anyway, I do get homesick.  It's so strange becuase honestly I hated
|> Buffalo when I lived there.  Now that I'm in LA and I've realized how huge it
|> is and how impersonal and how depressing....I miss wings and the Bills and all
|> that stuff.  Well, at least I have the newsgroup...that's pretty damn cool.
|> 
|> 	Power to alt.culure.ny-upstate!
|> 
|> 	Steve Knezevich
-- 

Steve et al - 	fyi, Fantasy Island is back in business ... someone started 
		putting money into a couple of years ago and has it back with
		a vengeance.  Haven't been yet (have only been by and seen the
		TV ads), but we intend to take the kids this coming season.

		BTW, I haven't seen anyone mention Joey Reynolds in connection
		with 1520am WKBW :-)

p.s. for Steve - you could always move back ... I was gone from good old WNY
                 for 11 years ('70 - `81) and I'm back and lovin' it... although
		 I wish Mario would take the big hike.

Mike Branciforte   

Technical information management is the key to concurrent engineering,
time-based competitiveness, higher quality, and lower costs.

email brance@music.Kodak.com
From: sknezevi@girtab.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:16:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Hey, I'll distribute the FAQ amongst friends and family and if I get any 
new stuff I'll post it okay?  This is awesome...thanks DAN!

Steve Knezevich
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