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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kohanim & Converts
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:22:32 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Sep7.025854.20717@cs.tulane.edu> js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan
Silbermann) writes:

>What are the various Halachic opinions on these questions?
>
>1) Can a Kohen marry the daughter of a convert if the daughter
>   was born after the mother's conversion?
>
>2) Does it make a difference if the child was however _conceived_
>   before the mother's conversion (though born afterwards)?
>
>3) For each of these cases, if the answer is no but they marry anyway,
>   are their sons regarded as Kohenim?  Would they be Halachicly
>   obligated to divorce?
>
>js@cs.tulane.edu

1.    YES.
2.    NO.
3.    In case a Kohen is not a loud to marry a wommen and he does it,
      then.
      a. He must devorce the ZONA ( the woman he was not alloud to marry)
      b. The Kohen should not be alloud to fullfill kohen tasks.
         Namely you should prevent him from saying "birkay kohanim"
         and getting the 1st Tora reading, till he will devorce her
      c. his son is not considered a Kohen, (but Halal).
      d. If he has a daughter , she is considered HALALA and a kohen
         is not alloud to marry her ( If he does , the whole case is
         like marrying a converted or a divorced woman).

Sources: Shulkhan Aruch: Even Haezar chapter 6:  1,8

Shalom     Gideon Ehrlich

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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:08:28 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Sep11.015153.21424@wariat.org> zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) writes:
>
>Well, I have some questions:
>
>1) Do you account Jews as European ethnic group ?
>2) What about Jews attitude against other nations ?
>3) May I invite you for a trip to Europe, through Poland; we will
>go and face this antisemitism; we will spend some time there to
>see if you will be stoned - and in this case I will stand in front
>of you.
>
Only question (3) really interests me at  this point.

I was born in Britain, but came to live in Israel not because anybody
was persecuting me, but BECAUSE I WANTED TO.

This spring I was in Poland, as suggested by Stan, with 'March of the
Living'.  Although we were not stoned, as a result of elaborate
security measures, we did come accross incidents of antisemitism,
especially in, of all places, the site of the Warsaw Ghetto.

>
>
>> --
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>> Summit, NJ
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>
>
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>
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>stand when hate overflows brain.......
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Lamed, Lightning, and SS
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:28:59 GMT

Somehow the idea of starting any sort of Torah teaching starting with
the shape of a Nazi symbol disgusts me.

Just my opinion.

And isn't it possible that a cigar is just a cigar?  Like maybe it's
the letter 'S'?
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conservative Halacha (was re: Orthodox Monopoly)
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:25:10 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <18m4nfINN4ik@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:

>See, if you're going to return to the Talmudic approach to halachah, I don't 
>see how you can merely use it as an excuse to find kulot (leniencies) as the
>rabbis often went way out of their way to be more machmer (stringent) than
>the literal Torah law (e.g. laws of niddah, kashrut, Pesach, etc.).  So here's
>my question for all you Conservative types out there:  in what areas of 
>halachah is the official Conservative position more machmer than even the most
>liberal Orthodox position?  In what areas has the RA chosen the more machmer
>path?  I can think of no examples of the first.  The only examples I can think
>of offhand of the second (although there are undoubtedly more that escape me
>at the moment) are the decisions to forbid practicing homosexuals from the
>rabbinate, and the rejection of Reform conversions.  The decision not to allow
>female cantors was not, as far as I know, made by the RA, and in any case it
>was overturned by the head of JTS.

Yet another reason for non-Jewish wine being non-Kosher is that often,
non-Kosher ingredients are inserted.  For instance, pig blood is
added in many Italian wines as a fermenting agent.  It's not on the
bottle.  How would you know?

If the wine is only handled by Jews, you can be absolutely certain
that it is safe.



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From: branley@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:08:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

.  Either that or you have so little respect for
>> >Poland that you are saying we shouldn't expect it to measure up to
>> >countries like Norway or Bulgaria for whatever litany of reasons.
>
>> >Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>> >	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
>
   In Israel near Jerusalem there is a village-Yad Shmona...
 It have been erected by finnish youth as memorial to 8 Jews
who ran from Norway to Finland in 194?.They were expulsed back to Norway
and killed  in "polish" camps... higiya zman she haaton ve hachamor isgeru at
pihem.
     branley,Jerusalem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: L630191@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Law of Return) who had converted via a Conservative Bet Din?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:49:55 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A naive question about the law of return
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:01:02 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@topaz.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep10.143943.11216@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmokhtar@attmail.com (Mazen

>  If I am one of the children of Israel and my ancestors converted from Judaism
>and accepted Islam, does this give me the right to emigrate to Israel? Is
>this logical?

I was always taught in Hebrew School/Yeshiva that once a Jew, always a Jew;
and that it is impossible to convert away from Judaism.  Even though one
may accept Islamic (or Christian, etc) law, and repudiate Jewish law,
a person who was born Jewish or who had an acceptable conversion into
Judaism will henceforth be bound by Jewish law forever.

BUT, there was a case in Israel in the last few years.  A man who had
'converted' away from Judiasm wanted to make aliyah in order to
further his missionary activities to get Jews to 'convert' to his
religion.  He was born of a Jewish mother, yet the Israeli Supreme
Court rejected his application for aliyah.

I think that the press referred to him as Brother Jed, or Uncle Bob
or something like that.

>Regards,

Me, too.

>Mazen Mokhtar

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu 
Subject: Re: A Jew knows German ?(He wants a flamewar)
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:34:11 GMT


	It seems that these two posts by Herr Lexier are the 
work of an asshole trying to start a major flamewar. He's
trying to take up bandwidth. Just kill-file him. I am.
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Orthodox Monopoly
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:55:29 -0500
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <9209091641.AA24489@robocop.NYU.EDU> baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU
(Jonathan Baker) writes:

>... [some O wonem say that ordaining women] would work better in an Orthodox
> situation than in a Conservative one, as Orthodox congregations tend
> to have many shomer-mitzvot men who can lead services, lein, and
> witness marriages.

  But the practical effect would be that outside Orthodox, few
would understand why she wouldn't be able to do tasks limited to men,
despite having the same title.


>   In addition, many of today's Orthodox rabbis have
> been taught by a woman, Nechama Leibowitz. [Should women
> who teach rabbis] have the public acclaim of a modern ordination,
> which is not the smicha from Moshe?

Although I'd recommend doing an end-run around "Rabbi" and
making up a new title like "Morah d'atra" (*) for scholarly women,
it would be more interesting to ask these women what they
themselves like to be called.

(*)  not quite as good a pun as my shul's
     half-a-daf-after-morning-minyan program called
    "Amud HaShachar."

R

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:15783 soc.culture.polish:2580
From: roman@sparc17.hri.com (Roman Budzianowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:39:46 GMT
Reply-To: roman@sparc17.hri.com (Roman Budzianowski)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1992Sep10.163211.2233@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
> Stoer Mechthild FNT writes:

> >> There are an awful lot of us who have family
> >> that survived but lost other family members to Polish antisemitism...

> >Take a hint yourself.
> >You lost your family members to German nazism, not Polish antisemitism.
> >No matter how many Poles helped or did not help,
> >it was the Germans that planned the holocaust.
> >Had it not been for nazism, your relatives would still be living!!!
> >So, could you please stop to accuse the Poles,
> >who did not invent that hell?

> We Jews, and especially those who survived the holocaust, will not forget
> the Poles, Lithuanians, and Hungarians who helped the Nazis murder
> Jews.  ANYONE in an occupied country who assisted the Germans is in
> fact MORE guilty than the average German.  The German could at least
> claim "following orders"; what excuse did the Poles, etc., have?  Maybe
> they didn't invent the hell, but they had no problem signing up to
> enter it.
> -- 
> Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
> AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.


You say that "Poles didn't have a problem signing up". Very general and
"generous" statement. 
Let's see. Poles faught in 1939, then in France, in G. Britain, Soviet
Union, Africa, Italy, in the underground, in Berlin. There was no
organized collaboration with Germany, unlike in France (Vichy government
maintained camps and sent Jews to Germany), Holland (SS unit), Norway,
Slovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, not to mention the memebers of the Axes:
Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria. Any and all collaboration with Nazis
in Poland was on the individual level. I don't know the extent of it,
but your implication that Poles as a nation collaborated with the Nazi
Germany is totally unwarranted. I would like to learn more about the
collaboration with the Nazis. You are welcome to share with me any facts
you know. 

It seems that in the states which "institutionally" collaborated with
the Germany, and in the states which were treated well because of the
"good" breed of the people (Denmark), Jews had much better chance of
survival than in Poland. Maybe if Poles collaborated fully with Germany,
as you are implying, the occupation of Poland would resemble the ones of
Denmark, France or Holland and the fate of Polish Jews would be better ?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:15791 soc.culture.polish:2589
From: avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Summary: Thousands IS "a lot"
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:36:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: AT&T

In article <dobo.716180595@armena>, dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
 > saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
 > >Take a hint.  Many of the descriptions come from personal and family
 > >descriptions and experience.  There are an awful lot of us who have family
 > >that survived but lost other family members to Polish antisemitism.  Some
 > 
 > Enlighten us on this subject. So there are "awful lot of us who ... but
 > lost other family members to Polish antisemitism".
 > Please give details. I went through some old records (Przeglad Literacki)
 > which are, by definition, incomplete, but they mention an average of 10
 > Jews murdered per year for reasons potentially racist. While this
 > represents unacceptable racism (note that part of these murders were
 > committed by Ukrainians). OK, 10 is 10 too many, but hardly enough to
 > believe in your "awful ..." theory.

I suspect Sam is referring to the Jew-hunting by the more
anti-Semitic "resistance" groups during WWII. Some of these
were not averse to killing a hundred Jews at a throw if they came
across a "family camp" in the forest. I recall seeing a count of
recorded instances of this somewhere; it came out to some tens
of thousands of murders. Enogh, anyway, to qualify as an "awful
lot". I'll try to track it down.

			Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: On Orthodox Monopoly (was can of worms...)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:41:17 GMT

In <1992Sep7.154128.19504@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

> Joel "advance to Ibn G'virol" Goldberg.

"You have been appointed to the Cabinet.  Get a free house on each of
your properties."
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From: rice@enterprise.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel S. Rice)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A Jew knows German ?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:41:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.berkeley.edu

	Lyle,
	
	I am assuming that you truly believe what you have written
here, and that you do not believe these things out of hatred but
rather ignorance.  I'm sure others will respond, possibly heatedly,
and I thought that I would address some of your points now, while this
discussion is still young.
	I have no problem with your interest in and love for things
German.  At the same time, I think it is dishonest and inaccurate to
see the Nazis as an abberation in German history.  The Nazis had the
active cooperation of many ordinary Germans (not all).  They were not
something imposed on the German people from outside.  When we fall in
love with the good aspects of a people or a culture, we should also
look at their dark side and their potential for evil.
	First, Hitler did indeed intend to kill Jews.  In six years
(less, really, the killing did not begin in earnest until 1942 if I'm
not mistaken) he succeeded in killing about 1/3 of all the Jews in the
world.  Jews were brought in cattle cars from places as far away as
Greece to be exterminated.  The ghettos (i.e., the walled parts of
town where the Jews lived) of a number of cities were sealed off,
causing a lack of food, water, and sanitation to kill off the
inhabitants.  These victims were not victims of war, although the tens
of millions who were killed defending Europe from takeover were
victims as well.  In fact, many people believe that Hitler could have
won the military aspects of the war had he not insisted on diverting
so many resources to the so-called "final solution" -- the
extermination of every Jew on German-controlled soil.
	The Nazis were meticulous bureaucrats, and many documents
concerning the extermination camps survive.  Recently, groups have
sprung up which try to claim that all the eyewitness accounts, all the
documents, all the photographs, all the survivors' tatoos are products
of some sort of Jewish conspiracy.  I hope you will not allow yourself
to be sucked into believing these people, whose motivation is nothing
but Jew-hatred and a perverse desire to glorify Nazism.  It is
attractive to let oneself believe that the Holocaust was just some
sort of bizarre misinterpretation of history, some bookkeeping error
in which six million Jews and five million others merely got lost in.
the shuffle.  This denial of relaity, however, leads only into delusion
and psychosis.
	There are literally hundreds of books about the Holocaust
which go into detail about the events of this time.  I hope your
interest in German culture and history is deep enough to allow you to
investigate the facts of the Holocaust, just as I, as someone who
loves Israel, make a point of facing the realities of the bad things
Israel does as well as the good.  I'm sure others in this newsgroup
will be happy to recommend sources.

						Dan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Subject: Re: On Orthodox Monopoly
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:06:10 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:57:45 +0200, MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) said:

In article <199209081257.AA22802@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
[...]
Michael> practices, needed  justification It is  also irrelevant if  the Rambam
Michael> advocated giving up  sacrifices after the Temple gets  rebuilt (as one
Michael> could deduce from his More Nevukhim),  or that in spite of these views
Michael> he would not  change these practices as is stated  in his earlier opus
Michael> Mishne Torah.  Even  if one does not accept that  the More Nevukhim is
Michael> the more final, perhaps more mature, view of Rambam, one can say, that
Michael> there is  no need to follow  the Rambam in his  practical conclusions,
Michael> but once it is realized that the rules of the Torah were influenced by
Michael> the time they were written,  changes in circumstances should encourage
Michael> people to change some of these rituals.
[...]

As, I think, has been pointed out before, one need not assume there is
a conflict.  When the Rambam says in More Nevukhim that offerings will
be given up when the Temple gets rebuilt, he is refering to the
free-will and sin offerings.  The Temple will be rebuilt in the Days
of the Mashiach, when there will be no sin anymore.  That also
explains what the Rambam means when he says that [those kinds] of
offerings were a concession to the people of that time (who stilled
sinned and therefore needed atonement).  Today we are in the
unfortunate position of sinning but not being able to make offerings
at the Temple.
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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: Clinton Speech at Notre Dame University (Sept 11)
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.195347.6460@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
friedenb@sparrow.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>This afternoon I was watching a live speech delivered by Bill Clinton
>at Notre Dame University's 150th birthday celebration.  Being a 
>Catholic school, religion played a strong part in the speech.  
>
>At a rather effective part in the speech he quoted Rabbi Hillel 
>from Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers) "Im ain ani li mi li..."
>"If I am not for myself, who will be for me; and if I am only for
>myself, what am I."  
>
>...

Hey!  Are you saying that Clinton recited a Hebrew phrase?  If so, I'm
_VERY_ impressed!
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