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From: bcschu@skws02.monsanto.com (Brett Schultz)
Subject: Re: Feminist Perspective of Batman Returns
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:08:21 GMT

poznikof@fraser.sfu.ca (Kenneth Shane Poznikoff) writes:
: 
: For example, the cat woman:
: Yeah sure she is sexy but she also stands for women's liberation.  

I think that she stands for women's liberation in the sense that she
is sick of being manipulated and tormented by her boss (not to say that her
boss like every boss).  She also is fed up with relationship with men.
Notice every time she walked into her apartment she said:
< Hi honey I'm home.  Oh ya, I'm not married
So I think she is a frustrated woman (as Penguin is a frustrated man) and
fed up with how her life is going.

: 
: Then when Cat Woman and Batman are fighting he ends up knocking her
: down and she says "How could you,  I'm a woman".  That is so pathetic.
: This sends out a very negative message about the women's movement.  If, 
: for a moment, we take the view that she represents a positive image of 
: woman (ie strong and powerful, knowing what she wants) this scene 
: completely negates all of her strong attributes.  She has reverted to 
: a meek stereotypical woman.  It trivializes the feminist movement.
: 

I think that here, she is trying to take advantage of Batman.  I don't
think that necessarily means that she feels that Batman should not hit
her because she is a woman, I thought that she would try to use it to
sneak in the next punch.

: 
: > Like the security guard said, "I don't know whether to open fire or fall in
: > love!"  (As Catwoman was destroying a display case.)
: 
Just a stereotypical guard/construction worker kind of guy

: Now, as for the *intent* of the writers of Batman Returns:  
: people are not only responsible for their intentions.  They are also
: responsible for the effect of their actions.  They degree of
: responsibility varies of course.  Even though, the writers did not
: intend to send out certain messages, they still get sent out.
: 
I thought there were too many sexual conotations, especially since this is
a movie for little kids too.  I guess that's what they think they gotta do
to sell a movie, TV show, etc. now-a-days.

: notions, for example, the psychotic nature of (Cat)woman.
Her psychotic nature is due to her frustrations with life.  She is sick of
being a secretary with half-a-brain (she kept forgetting things) and not 
being able to stick up for herself and say what's on her mind (the business
meeting scene when she almost says what she thinks but doesn't).  

Just my $.02 worth

Brett
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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Horatio Gadsplatt III)
Subject: Re: UNLAWFUL ENTRY
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:03:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.143750.18904@linus.mitre.org> jartz@mitre.org writes:
>In article <2A6DC389.8799@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>I thought it was a highly predicatable, formula psychopath
>movie.  I was disturbing and even frightening, but in a very
>heavy handed way.  I thought that the characters were flat
>and the scenarios were not at all beleivable.  I guess it would
>be fair to say that I didn't like it.


	I spent a large part of the movie mapping out parallels to
the Rebecca DeMornay Fiasco, The Hand that Rocks the Cradle....

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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: The Hunger soundtrack
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:44:01 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.114654.19284@cs.utwente.nl> skow@cs.utwente.nl writes:
>> Can somebody tell me who was the author of the beautiful The Hunger soundtrack.
>> I don't mean the rock part, but the classic part.

>It's from "Lakme" by Delibes.

It also appears in a (British Airways?) commercial, as well as "I've Heard
the Mermaids Singing".
 
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>discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..."
>					 -- Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)

I've always thought it was "Whoops!"
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From: young@elec.uq.oz.au (Steven Young)
Subject: Re: Greta Scacchi again - AUGGGH! What is she?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:08:01 GMT

SJOSEPHS@130.187.183.14 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON) writes:
>In <1992Jul27.195814.9422@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com writes:
>> 	My new found love is Greta, but now I'm really confused. 
>>							I got answers
>> from several people saying she's English, American, Australian, and Italian,
>> which didn't help matters any. Is she married? What's her ethnicity, really?
>Ok, the lady in question (whom I once saw referred to in the british tabloids
>as 'Greta I-can't-wait-to-get-out-of-my-clothes Scacchi') is 
>a) British

Wrong.  Definitely Australian.  Born in Perth, Western Australia.
Schooling and University (University of Western Australia?).
There was some time spent in Europe in her early life. Anyone got
more info?  I guess not judging from previous posts.

>b) married

Is this true?  I thought she was attached to someone but not currently
married. (Possibly was married and now divorced).  There was an interview/
article in a recent Weekend Australian (newspaper) which was fairly
good on Greta's opinions on 'Sex and sensibility'.  Comments on
nudity and sex in the roles she plays.

>c) radiant

Steven Young
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From: wente.llnl.gov!ed@overmind.mind.org
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Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:38:00 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL
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In article <1992Jul21.142537.26463@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) 
writes:
<ed@wente.llnl.gov Ed Suranyi writes:
<>
<>So here are my favorites:
<>
<>West Side Story -- Not only is this my favorite musical, but it's one of
<>my top ten movies of all genres.  Even though I've seen it many times,
<>Leonard Bernstein's music still thrills me, and Maria's speech at the 
<>end of the movie always leaves me in tears.
<
<I'd list this as my most disappointing musical. I know for a lot of
<people my age that soundtrack was the first non-rock music that we
<heard extensively. The music is great, but the movie is static and
<goofy. Most perverse fun: scatalogical variations on "Maria." A horrible
<song...insanely treacly lyric.

What can I say?  I still think it's one of the best movies ever made.
Of course, I saw it long before I got seriously into rock music.
When I was growing up, the only music heard in our house was classical
and show tunes.

I agree with the person who said that the dubbing of singing voices
was distracting, but in my opinion the sheer beauty of the songs
overpowers this problem, which is most noticeable, I agree, in 
"Maria".  But when performed well this song is just stunning.

I'd like to thank everyone for their terrific suggestions.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov>
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Subject: Good Movies?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 22:58:37 GMT
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the overall quality of movies these
days is getting progressively worse.  I can't remember the last time I
saw a really good movie.  There have been some plain good ones, but not
many.  The strange phenomenon is that along with the sagging quality, the
cost of producing a film is rising.  All I can say is that I am very
disappointed!  Does anyone else feel this way?  What are some really good
movies out now?
From: stapleton@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Dr. Ross Alan Stapleton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: graham greene
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:08:00 GMT
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In article <1992Jul25.1489.24739@channel1>, "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes...
>KY>I've been watching old movies lately, and have noticed that several good ones
>KY>have the name Graham Greene in the credits.  For instance:  he wrote the
>KY>screenplay for THE THIRD MAN, MINISTRY OF FEAR and THIS GUN FOR HIRE are
>KY>based on novels of his, etc.  Could someone give me some information on him--
>KY>he seems worth looking into.
> 
>     "Greene, Graham (1904- ).  Distinguished British novelist who has
>     provided material for many interesting films.

Graham Greene recently died; I don't recall if it was this spring, or at
the end of last year.

His last novel, I believe, was "The Captain and the Enemy," a review of
which, by Salman Rushdie, was lukewarm, but fair.   Some of his novels are
truly fantastic, and I prefer "The Quiet American," and some of the novels
set in Africa, where Greene served during WW II as an intelligence officer.

ras
From: rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)
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Subject: The Remain of the Day
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:31:04 GMT
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	I read today that Harold Pinter is writing the screenplay of 
	The Remain of the Day for Merchant-Ivory team.  The cast is 
	also promising, Anthony Hopkin as Stevens, Emma Thomas as 
	the head maid, and probably James Fox as Lord Darlington.  Ought
	to be a good one.
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
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Subject: christopher walken
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:57:32 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
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KW>I'm interested in general trivia on Christopher Walken.  I really liked
KW>him in Batman Returns and Brainstorm and plan to watch some of his other
KW>movies like Dead Zone.  I'm more curious about the person (ie vital

     I'm not so sure about vital statistics, but Halliwell's Filmgoer's
     Companion (don't be a movie fan without it!) includes a list of
     his movies up through 1987.  (1988 was the most recent edition of
     the book.)  They included:

     The Anderson Tapes - 1971
     The Happiness Cage - 1972
     Next Stop Greenwich Village - 1976
     The Sentinel - 1977
     Annie Hall - 1977
     Rooseland - 1977
     The Deer Hunter (Oscar winner) - 1978
     Last Embrace - 1979
     Heaven's Gate - 1980
     The Dogs Of War - 1981
     Pennies From Heaven - 1981
     Brainstorm - 1983
     The Dead Zone - 1983
     A View To A Kill - 1985
     At Close Range - 1986
     Deadline - 1987
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
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Subject: worst movies 1992
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:57:32 EST
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CHK>I again warn you:  viewing this dreck can be harmful to your health.

     Don't mince words, pall - tell us what you really think!  :)
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From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:16:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Graham Greene
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
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yousten@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Ken Yousten) writes:
>I've been watching old movies lately, and have noticed that several good ones
>have the name Graham Greene in the credits.  For instance:  he wrote the 
>screenplay for THE THIRD MAN, MINISTRY OF FEAR and THIS GUN FOR HIRE are
>based on novels of his, etc.  Could someone give me some information on him--
>he seems worth looking into.

From the r.a.movies writers list (year information applies to the movies 
rather than the original novels):

This Gun for Hire (1942) (novel)
Ministry of Fear (1944) (novel)
Confidential Agent (1945)
Brighton Rock (1947)
Fugitive, The (1947)
Fallen Idol, The (1949) (S:AAN)
Third Man, The (1949)
Across the Bridge (1957) (novel)
Saint Joan (1957)
Our Man in Havana (1960)
Comedians, The (1967) (also novel)
Travels with My Aunt (1972) (novel)
Beyond the Limit (1983) (novel The Honorary Consul)
This Gun for Hire (1983) (TV) (novel)

Cheers,

Col

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:44:11 GMT

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul24220702@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.222204.11042@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> 
> > Also, I agree with much of your list, and consider Wonderful Life
> > as a personal favorite, but what is it that makes it so much more
> > complicated (or "rich in plot") than T2?
> 
> Real people enduring real crises and confronted with
> real moral dillemas and real decisions, combined with
> real dialogue involving real issues (large and small)
> and real losses and real victories and ...

Well, I would consider the losses in T2 to be as real as any
others.  Sara has endured real losses, as has John, and finally
the T800.  Now, if the issue is that T2 is fiction and the science
is imaginary, then no science fiction movie could ever be a
"great" movie by that definition.  Finally, I don't believe a
magic angel will show me the world without my having been born,
so I don't consider that real, either.  I understand your point,
but I don't think it applies to the comparison of these two
movies.

If you believe that Jimmy Stewart is a better actor than Linda
Hamilton, well, I can respect that opinion.  But that's what it
is.  And it's not necessarily the deciding factor in saying one
movie is better than the other.

I understand that I'm examining an unpopular position, but I
never have been very impressed with opinions of "experts" when
it comes to subjective issues.  Sort of the reason I don't
skip movies that are rated low or seek out movies that are rated
highly ("Spontaneous Combustion" is rated 3-1/2 stars in the cable
guide, for goshsakes).  Also, if "general opinion" was that reliable,
IAWL would either not have been made or not have been distributed.
(Wasn't it in danger of being killed half-way through production,
and wasn't it a flop at the box-office, or at least at award time?
I think it was blown away by some movie centering around soldiers
-- Wings?  Or the one with the disfigured/injured former soldier?
Geez, I gotta get some sleep...)

GMS
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From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Delicatessen
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:44:04 GMT

I saw "Delicatessen" last night.  A lot of fun, but a baffling
experience.  French cinema noir, but as comedy.  Every scene hazey,
slightly out of focus, browned.
What did I see?
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
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Subject: dr. strangelove - las
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:11:06 EST
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BW>              Does anyone know what Peter Sellers yells out at the
BW>end of the movie 'Dr.Strangelove'. I couldnt get it even after watching
BW>in 3 times, what with his strange accent!! It goes something like
BW>'I have a plan. The chair(?) ??????' and then the holocaust follows at
BW>the end of the movie.

     "MEIN FUHRER!  I CAN WALK!!!"  The point here is that Dr. Strangelove
     is so excited - sexually and otherwise - that his great plan is going
     to come to pass, he doesn't even mind that the world is coming to
     an end.  Even though he's paralyzed, he's "stimulated" to the point
     where he gets out of his chair and walks.

     It can also be seen as a satirical jab at those "The World Is Coming
     To An End" doomsayers, who claim that at the end of the world the
     crippled will walk again, blind men will see, and so on.

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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Good Movies?
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:13:10 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Cc: hughes

In article <25091@dog.ee.lbl.gov> you write:
>Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the overall quality of movies these
>days is getting progressively worse.  I can't remember the last time I
>saw a really good movie.  There have been some plain good ones, but not
   
   Sorry, it's just you.  It's hard to recommend "really good movies"
   to someone you don't know, but they're out there. They may not be
   blockbusters, and you may have to look to find them, but they're
   there and they're being consistently and continually made.

   Maybe you're just into disney films, or feel good films.  Now 
   they're endangered species, and IMO, good riddance.  But if 
   you want to see some thoughtful, well made and interesting
   movies, here's some, just off the top of my head.  

   The Reflecting Skin
   Blood Simple
   I've Heard the Mermaids Singing 
   True Stories
   The Naked Civil Servant
   Little Man Tate
   Paris Trout
   The Ballad of the Sad Cafe
   Europa, Europa
   Tatie Danielle
   LA Story
   Roxanne
   Tremors
   The Big Picture
   A World Apart
   Shirley Valentine

   There's a lot of variety in that little list.  Admittedly, some
   are not this year's, but all are in the last few years.
   So of the films on that list, how many have you seen?
   How many have you heard of?  If you don't like at least one film
   there, then you're hopeless, and it's your problem.  And I've 
   neglected to mention any big movies.   
   
   I've been doing an experiment.  We've got a decent video store,
   and for the last few months, I've been watching at least one movie
   a day.  I don't care for about 3 out of four of what I get.  But
   I *really* like the other 1 of 4.  I've also learned about directors:
   and that's a good clue as to whether a movie will be of your 
   taste or not.

   Get a video guide book.  A recent one, with cross-indexing for 
   actors, directors, and movies.  Start using that to guide your
   choices.  You  *will* find movies you like.


>many.  The strange phenomenon is that along with the sagging quality, the
>cost of producing a film is rising.  All I can say is that I am very
>disappointed!  Does anyone else feel this way?  What are some really good
>movies out now?

    Again, the problem is you and your search method.  If you haven't
    seen many of the films on my list above, then that proves it.
    And the cost of producing a *big* film is rising, true, and the
    cost of including *big* actors is high.  But your statement is
    too general, and simply isn't true as stated for a lot of 
    *little* films, many of which are excellent (though you won't
    find any with Arnold Schwartzeneggar in them).

   Good luck
   Wayne
From: hamel@primate.wisc.edu (Ray Hamel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Devil creatures in tv-movie
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:30:59 GMT
Organization: UW-Madison Primate Center


	The film in question was DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE DARK (1973),
but starred KIm Darby, and not Elizabeth Montgomery, as the victim
of the little gremlins that live in her furnace ducts.  I thought
the film was pretty good in spite of the silly premise, and the
ending is very memorable.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: favorite movie musicals
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:15:03 GMT


"The Producers".

 Not a musical, in the traditional sense, but it contains
 a couple of terrific musical numbers.

"Spring time for Hitler":

"Spring time for Hitler and Germany.
 Winter for Poland and France."

"Spring time for Hitler and Germany.
 Come on Germans, go into...your dance!"

"Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
 come and join the Nazi party."

"We're marching to a faster pace.
 Look-out, here comes the master race!"


 Then there's "Love Power", a little dated, but very funny:

"I give a flower to the big, fat cop.
 He takes his club and beats me up!."

"I give a flower to the garbage man.
 He stuffs my girl in the garbage can!"

"And I give one to the landlord when the rent comes 'round.
 He stuffs it in the toilet and he flushed it down!"

"It goes into the sewer,
 With the yuck runnin' through-her."

"And it goes into the river that we drink -
 Hey world, you stink!"


 A great film.
From: dcm@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Dennis Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Greta Scacchi again - AUGGGH! What is she?
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:08:15 GMT
Organization: CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Melbourne, Australia

From article <1992Jul27.195814.9422@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, by chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (Chuckorama):
> Hey everyone - 
> 	My new found love is Greta, but now I'm really confused. I got answers
> from several people saying she's English, American, Australian, and Italian,
> which didn't help matters any. Is she married? What's her ethnicity, really?

Born in Italy, childhood in England, later moved to Australia, lived in
America for some time recently, now lives back in Australia. Confusing, isn't
she?

Dennis
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