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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: An Exercise for Chaney (was Re: ...prefer non-blak women)
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:11:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.204749.2231@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
>>3) Even though I share the opinion that you need to "check yo' head"
>>with respect to Black women, I also believe many will share my sentiments
>>when I paraphrase the words of Nana Peazant from the film _Daughters of 
>>the Dust_ (a film *you* definitely need to watch again and again): 
>>"[We] love you because you're [ours]." You're just not going to find that
>>kind of love from the family of a white girlfriend, but perhaps that
>>doesn't bother you. Certainly, the "us two against the world" mentality 
>>works for some couples.

Perhaps it is less likely that a white family would feel that way
towards a black person marrying, dating, etc. one of their family
members, but it does happen sometimes.  I have a cousin who is married
to a white woman, who claims that his wife's family accepts him as one
of their own.  I see no reason why he would lie about something like
that to me.

On the other hand, I have not noticed that black families
unconditionally love the person who is in a relationship with one of
their family members.  Some families have other types of hurdles for
the new person to jump, like whether they went to the right school,
whether they make enough money, whether they have the right job, etc.

--gregbo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:56:47 GMT

In article <1ilhk0INN954@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd) writes:
>
>I don't think that there has been one person who has posted a
>note publically saying one should not be able to freely choose
>who you date. Yet in every note, Mr. Chaney insistes that we
>are against his interracial dating. It is your foul attitude
>we find saddening, not that you would date a white woman, but
>that you would not date a black woman.

You forget to mention that we have also seen generalizations on a huge
scale, the same as what my article was guilty of.

And we have seen a lack of response towards these generalizations. 

If I ever ran into a conservative black woman, I'd date her. But
rather than lie to you, in my opinion, that's as common as a 4-leaf
clover. Not exactly nonexistent, but grievously rare ever since Jesse
Jackson came along.  


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:26:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <93005.071806KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> by <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>:

>    Poor Stephen Chaney!  Everyone is jumping on him for his statements (and
> rightly so).  But does the man really see his problem?  He is exactly what the
> white man has been trying to get us to do all of our lives!  The American ideal

I wasn't aware that the White man has been trying to get us to date White
women! :)

> Meredith - any brother who works for Jesse Helms needs a lobotomy).

AnyBODY who works for Jesse Helms has HAD a lobotomy!

>    Black women are the reason why our race has survived and will be the reason
> why we will not be extinct.  With 25% of our young men either in prison or on

Well not really, at least not 100%... unless Black women have discoverted how
to reproduce via fission.... :)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:44:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.192532.11472@sequent.com> kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
>In article <2B4DAF4C.5667@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>>Finally, lunch has arrived.
>>
>>Honey, you couldn't digest me; trust me.  Other sexist pigs have tried,
>>and they just end up with indigestion.
>
>  What happens when they can't digest you?  Do they puke you out?  Calling
>  yourself puke?

I like that! :) 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,uchi.politics
From: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on Carol Moseley Braun
Reply-To: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:25:06 GMT

I have just a little to add to Ted Frank's account of Braun's
campaign.  The question to which he was responding included this
comment:

>	the little i know is that she was recorder of deeds
>	(i think in cooke county) and she ran essentially on
>	a *they-treated-anita-badly* type of platform (this,
>	unfortunately, from the national media)....   what

Braun's candidacy clearly had its origins in the Clarence Thomas
hearings.  Following the final confirmation vote,  and the
disgruntlement (ranging to outrage) which some people felt over
Dixon's vote, there were announcements that some sort of committee was
going to get together and pick a woman to run against Dixon in the
primary.  Besides Braun, the other women mentioned in these stories as
potential candidates included, I think, Susan Getzendanner and ...
heck, I can't remember her name... state Representative or by now
state Senator, uses three names, her district is south side lakefront.
Anyway, the point was to pick a pick a prominent female politician to
run against Dixon, specifically because of the Thomas vote.

Despite this original direction, there was actually very little said
about Anita Hill / Clarence Thomas during either the primary or
general election campaign.  It didn't really constitute part of
Braun's platform by that time.
--
Mitch Marks    mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide.
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu (Malcolm D. "None of ya Bizness" Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:54:33 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1993Jan8.154305.27862@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
$>Let me give YOU a run-down.  You post something in which you tar all
$>black women because you've run into a few bitches, say snotty stuff like
$>"class is in session, ladies," and then act like your personal freedoms
$>are being threatened when black women post and tell you to shove your
$>thumb up your ass.  What the hell did you expect?  When you post about
$>how you can't stand all black women, do you really think that you won't
$>convince the black women on the net that you're an asshole?  If you're
$>looking for understanding, buddy, you're going about it the wrong way. 
$
$Understanding? Who said I came here expecting understanding?? I came
$here to serve NOTICE. 

Serve notice to whom?  What you need to be servin is yourself a chair
to sit your crusty ass down into.

Like I said in my previous response to you (which you seemed to so
easily slide over), nobody's trippin over the fact that you want to
date non-sistas.  Personally, I'm like, if ya don't like who I'm
datin, fuck you.  It's just how you're coming off is where the problem
exists.

$I came here to let you in on a small clue: YOU AIN'T SO IN DEMAND THAT
$YOU CAN INFLICT NASTY RACIAL PURIST ATTITUDES ON BLACK MEN AND THEY
$HAVE TO SIT AROUND AND TAKE IT BECAUE YOU'RE BLACK. Some of us simply
$tell you to bug off. Like I did. 
$

Okay, we get the point.  But you're so damn rude that you just get on
people's bad side from the start.  And I thought I was bad!!  You take
the cake, talkin that punk shit you're talkin.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Aww, nigga! You know you all that and a          malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
	bowl o' grits!!"  - Ice Cube
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:33:54 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <1993Jan8.192532.11472@sequent.com> kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
>In article <2B4DAF4C.5667@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>>Finally, lunch has arrived.
>>
>>Honey, you couldn't digest me; trust me.  Other sexist pigs have tried,
>>and they just end up with indigestion.
>
>  What happens when they can't digest you?  Do they puke you out?  Calling
>  yourself puke?

Dear, I'm not calling mySELF anything.  I'm saying that sometimes people
are put off by me.  It's not MY problem; it's their weak and easily
upset constitutions.  Chocolate gives some people hives.  Don't mean it
ain't delicious.

Fondly, 
Janis
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:31:09 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan8.155347.27087@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
valor@donner.cc.bellcore.com (crawford,quintal d) writes:
>Chad, how he chooses to spell _black_ is his (our) business.  Is it not
>relevant to you that he has that right? the right of self-expression.
>Stop living in the past--or wherever you *live*!  
>Another thing:  For 400+ years, you people have tried to control our
>identity thru how we use language--your languages.  I personally like
>English because it has inherently the flexibility to grow and adapt
>to the speaker.  In this sense, IMHO, you disrespect both your European
>heritage and your American heritage. I bet you also object to Black Foots
>who call themselves Indians. 

First and foremost, I did not write the information about the mortage loans,
but I'm sure it's true. Secondly, there is no right to self-expression, maybe
free speech, but not self-expression, at least not in the constitution I've
been reading-maybe you have a different version. I don't live in the past, but
I learn from it, how about you? You people? Didn't Ross Perot stick his foot in
his mouth for that one. Respect me as you would want to be respected and then
come back and talk to me about respect. In terms of disrespect, you disrespect
your African Heritage, because ALL, that's right, ALL people come from
Africa-that fact was in Newsweek(unless that lies too). And lastly, I doubt
many Black Foot Native-Americans call themselves "Indians", that's something
Christopher Columbus and his posse made up out of this ignorance.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu (Malcolm D. "None of ya Bizness" Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:25:51 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1993Jan11.164032.3168@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

$>Serve notice to whom?  What you need to be servin is yourself a chair
$>to sit your crusty ass down into.
$
$No, YOU need to get it straight:
$
$YOU weren't the one who got preached to. YOU weren't the one who was
$pissed off when that woman snapped at my girlfriend and I. YOU weren't
$the one who had more and more blacks coming at you, as a result. YOU
$aren't the one facing the racial purity Nazi's. I, however, am. 
$
$When you get into this position, then come back and tell me how
$mean-spirited I was. 

Dude...

I have been in this position.  I have had to whip on somebody's ass
because my ex-girlfriend and I are walking out of a restaurant one
night, and the sucker duck walks up and starts messin with me calling
me a sellout, oreo, etc.  I've dealt with people on this very
newsgroup who think that interracial dating is worse than committing
murder.  Believe me, I think I have more of an idea than even you do
as far as gettin dissed by sistas who can't swallow the notion that a
brotha dates non-sistas.  So don't try and tell me SHIT.  If you have
even been reading any of my posts you'll find that I have been
agreeing with some of your points all along, just the fact that you're
bein a total dick head about everything really clouds your whole
point.

$>Like I said in my previous response to you (which you seemed to so
$>easily slide over), nobody's trippin over the fact that you want to
$>date non-sistas.  Personally, I'm like, if ya don't like who I'm
$>datin, fuck you.  It's just how you're coming off is where the problem
$>exists.
$
$I have watched the way the people in this newsgroup come off regularly:
$The topics "Who cares what whites think about racism" comes to mind in
$describng just how open and tolerant certain people are, on this
$newsgroup. 
$
$Are you telling me that you're going to fault me for what is considered
$business as usual in almost every other context? 
$
$Puh-leez, and no more of this "go back to Africa" b.s. that has been
$infesting my mailbox. 
$

Well shit, my point is moot then.  You see how the newsgroup is, you
would think that if you weren't bein a dick, then people would listen.
I sometimes am a dick too, but hopefully I make it so that people can
read between the lines.  Your posts don't even have that excuse.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
  I represent the U of M's missing                  moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
       financial aid checks.      
           Oh yeah??  Well, my moms can eat more grits than your moms!
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Was: Why we go for non-black women IS: HELP!!!!!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:22:56 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan8.071453.27212@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>
lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:
>As we were saying...
>
>I'm looking for a publication which may provide a listing of black owned
production enterprises, or an index of such (for the US). I am particularily
intrested in pharmacutical (good lord, a grad degree and still can't spell)
products, however any sources in the wider many manufacturing area would be
interesting.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Phil
>
Try the Black Pages, in Philadelphia, the # is 215-473-1700.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:19:19 GMT

It appears that there are forces at work that are trying to hinder
the success of Spike Lee's _Malcolm X_ movie (and also thwart the
communication of Malcolm's important message to the masses). There
have been 3 incidents that I know of -- two from the news and one
that happened to me personally:

1) In the St. Louis area, people buying tickets for _Malcolm X_
were given tickets for other movies instead (such as _Home Alone 2_)
and still allowed to see _Malcolm X_. All profits from these sales
went to the movie printed on their stubs, hence shortchanging the
producers of _X_.

2) In Dallas, a janitor discovered a pipe bomb under a seat in a
theater shortly before _Malcolm X_ was due to be shown. Fortunately,
the bomb was disabled before  anyone was hurt.

3) I saw the movie twice when it first opened: once in Detroit
and a second time several days later in Natchez, Mississippi.
The second time I noticed something strange -- some key events
were happening out of order (compared to the first, which I
knew was "correct" from reading the autobiography). As soon as I 
noticed this I went to talk to an usher -- I was thinking that the 
movie was on multiple reels, and one reel was just being shown out of order.
The usher escorted me to the projection room, and to my surprise,
the movie was all on one big reel.  Somehow the movie had been 
spliced together out of order on one reel. I went to speak to the
manager and he said that they had just received that "new" copy of the movie.
A friend of mine who had seen the movie in that same theater a few days
earlier confirmed that the movie was different her first time too. The manager
offered no explanation for the movie being out of order, and just 
remarked that people would just think there were a lot of flashbacks!
I finished watching the movie, but the scrambling was really bad.
Intentional or not, it made Malcolm look confused and/or two-faced:
He broke away from Elijah Muhammed for no apparent reason and went to
Mecca, then he gave a rousing speech in praise of Elijah Muhammed, 
then he held a press conference denouncing some of his previous ways in
the NOI, then he spoke at Harvard and told the white girl that there's 
nothing she could do to help, then he went on television and made the 
"house nigger/field nigger" remarks, then JFK was assassinated and he made 
the "chickens coming home to roost" remark, then he found out about Elijah 
Muhammed's illegitimate children, then he was assassinated. I tried to
read the faces of people as they emerged from the theater after the
movie -- many looked disappointed. I told as many of them as I could
that the movie was scrambled and that they should see it again somewhere
else and/or demand a refund.

Has anyone else experienced something similar, or other cases of apparent
sabotage?

	Darryle
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:41:56 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

>The simple explanation is that "The Simpsons" is drawn in the good old ROK
>and this merely represents Korean cultural imperialism.... :)
>
>And if anybody believes this, I'm offering free rides in my "black (multi-
>national) helicopter"(tm) along with copies of the "Protocols of the Elders of
>Zion" autographed by Bo Gritz.... :)

It is quite unfortunate that you can only see the world in one perspective. So
called reality, and not be able to interpret the subconscious.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap,rec.music.funky
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub/SGP '93)
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:08:59 GMT

In article <ISBELL.93Jan11111938@panther.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>Yo! A Rapper's Domestic Policy Plan;How Clinton Can Bring Hope to
>Alienated Black America 
>By Paris 
> 
> [letter deleted]
>

That was a very good and interesting letter.  I wonder if Clinton will actually
read it....

                                            T-Dub
                                            SHYGUY Productions

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap,rec.music.funky
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:22:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.200859.21582@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <ISBELL.93Jan11111938@panther.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>>
>>Yo! A Rapper's Domestic Policy Plan;How Clinton Can Bring Hope to
>>Alienated Black America 
>>By Paris 
>> 
>> [letter deleted]
>>
>
>That was a very good and interesting letter.  I wonder if Clinton will actually
>read it....

I hope so.  It makes more sense than the McLaughlin Group.

>                                            T-Dub
>                                            SHYGUY Productions

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Because *someone* had to type it in:  MJ and an ad
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:44:42 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <ISBELL.93Jan4215027@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu>,
isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>Friday January 1, Atlanta Journal/Constitution C2
>
>"White Boy Plays Jackson In Cola Ad, Paper Reports"
>
>Pop singer Michael Jackson chose a White boy over a Black one to
>portray him as a youngster in an upcoming Pepsi commercial, the New
>York Post reported Thursday.
>
>Producers wanted the ad to show Jackson performing "I'll Be There"
>opposite footage of himself as a member of the Jackson Five singing
>the song, the Post said.  But the idea was scrapped at least in part
>because the pictures would make Jackson's plastic-surgery and skin
>bleaching makeover too obvious, the newspaper said, identifying its
>sources only as "insiders."
>
.
.
Yeah, I saw that, too, Charles.  Pathetic.
.
I saw in "Spy" magazine that MJ has bleached and peeled himself so
much that his face has holes in it.  Not pores, mind you.  Holes.
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