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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:17:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: morrow.1992Oct5.181741.26913
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA

In article <1992Oct1.004932.27961@gagme.chi.il.us>,
barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to cwm54@cas.org, who wrote:
>:
>:
>:    I think of myself as more of a democratic socialist in the mode of
>:> some western European countries. Have your capitalism but with socialist
>:  underpinning. When ten percent of the people control ninety percent of
>:  the wealth,I have problems with that. Particularly when very few of those
>:  people look like me. Capitalism is neither blind nor objective but even
>:  if it were should one be rewarded so disproportionately based on genetic
>:  traits ie. natural ability? If the most beautiful people physically were
>:  afforded privilege by virtue of their beauty this country would be in an
>:  uproar. likewise, because someone inherits intellect,wealth or white skin
>:  should they be able to live in suburbia while those who work hard or want
>:  to work hard live in cardboard boxes,without health insurance or political
>:  power? I'm willing to sacrifice so that LESS FORTUNATE people have at
>:  least a decent minimal standard of living.
>
>Well, now, here we definitely agree.  I wonder how many Americans to
>some agree would endorse this statement and realize that help of others
>-- by public as well as private means -- is in the national interest.
.
.
If you all missed me for a couple of days, yours truly caught a bug.
 I'm catching up...
.
In regards to the above:  the reason why I think so many Silicon
Valley nouveau riche here in California and elsewhere are ponying so
much moolah to Clinton is that they feel threatened by the
disparities between rich, middle-class and poor.  Now it's only rich
and poor.  Folks are beginning to look real hard at WHY, and that
puts the rich on the hot seat.  Better back this cornpone dude no
matter how much you hold your nose. The alternative may be their
ass.  Plus, no body likes Bush, the phony!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Military as an honorable profession
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:44:48 GMT

In article <jumper.717811784@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
>Question 2: Is the military an honorable profession?  Answer: Yes it is.  It
>serves many purposes, not including economic ones.  The military as it strives
>to be, is one of the most effimently professional lives you can become a part
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
suppossed to be emmimently.  strike three for foot in mouth disease today.
>of.  For those who treat it as a profession, and not just a ticket to college,
>it becomes part of their lives.  The Army (no direct experience in the other
>three) still has room for evolving with our society, but I have found that it
>generally leads the way in many types of social re-engineering.  The most
>obvious digression on that is women in combat roles, but that probably belongs
>in soc.women.  The main justification for the question I see, is...how can a
>profession dedicated to kill others be honorable?
>
>Maybe this is not the place to answer, but a short version could be--there are
>still many real forces in the world that would if they could, bring the US to
>catastrophy.  We as a group prevent that, as a nation that is what you hire us
>for, pay us for, and in the end hopefully honor us for.
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
From: cwm54@cas.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Its about F****** time!
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:57:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cas.1992Sep29.165701.8473
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <MelnnGK00WBMM4QG1I@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>For those of you who watch the Sunday morning political talk shows (Meet
>the Press, Face the Nation, the Mclaughlin Report), it seems to me that
>high-ranking officials in the current administration are evidencing a
>great deal of frustration and are, indeed, flustered with their
>inability to chop (or at this point even chip) away at Gov. Clinton's
>lead.
>
>I, for one, am damn happy that the experiences of the last twelve years
>are coming to an end.  While it is too true that America has never
>treated African-Americans particularly kindly, the last twelve years
>have witnessed the regression of ANY kind of values, spurred on by
>Messers. Reagan, Bush, Baker, Cheney, Darman, Quayle, et al.
>
>These men, for all intents and purposes, ushered in an era of economic
>disaster, increasing racial intolerance and strife, apathy, and an
>unwillingness to seek justice on a myriad of counts.
>
>The twisted logic and self-serving behavior of the upper (cited by
>itself, for the sole reason that the average $20,000 a year Bush
>follower is so blind and utterly ignorant that its difficult to blame an
>idiot for an inability to make good decisions) echelons of the
>Republican party has spawned an atmosphere bent on supressing those
>different from themselves (Rich, white, elitist...).
>
>If you happen to be in Pittsburgh on November 3rd, I extend an open
>invitation to you to come PARTY with me and my friends when this
>nastiness is swept out for at least four years.
>
>DCAL



    I wish I could share your optimism and having read your articles I share
    many of your opinions but "our long national nightmare" isn't over yet.
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:56:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct5.190900.3237@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
$.
$First, Malcolm, in the immortal words of NWA (I believe):
$fuckthapolice.

Word.

$Secondly, I quote Dr. John as well: right place, wrong time.

It's funny that you would say "right place."  If I was stupid enough
to go join the police force, I would hope that I wouldn't get caught
out in the open, specially at a KNOWN cop hangout, if I was shakin
people down.  I would hope that I would be slicker than that.  My
uncle (Tom) Chester is in the San Jose police force and he don't go
chillin at no cop hangouts.

$I feel sorry for the dude who got smoked and his wife and family.
$At least, give a person a reason why s/he is dying or something.  I
$hope they catch him.

See, that's really a trip.  When white people smoke black people (or
when they smoke their own), they don't go blamin and jackin up the
whole race.  This dude named Robert Lund (whose dad founded this
richy-rich grocery store chain called Lund's) offed his wife and her
lover and now he's gettin bumped between psycho wards, one of which is
a few blocks from my house.  A gang member walks in and smokes a cop
and all of a sudden it's OPEN SEASON ON ALL YOUNG BLACK NIGGERS!!!!
Hmmmm, I wonder why that is.  I just wonder.

$However, black folks, men and not a few women, are being jacked up
$constantly, for just being black. This does not excuse these
$roughriders...
$.
$The assistant chief did right in trying to create some kind of line
$to the united gangs. Unfortunately, most of the other white cops
$know only one way to handle things...on horseback, with a gun, and
$creating more shit in the process.

And half o these bozos ain't never had no contact wit no black people,
which only increases the problem.

$Watch and see whether the assistant chief gets called home to join
$his cops against the gangs or not. If he has balls, they're gonna
$sack him.

Well, so far he ain't bucked yet.  They did a report on him and he
said he had zero regrets for establishing dialogues with the gangs.
We'll see how he stands up if it eventually comes down to this.

$Too bad.

Ain't it though?

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.051347.16511@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>Dear Abby,
>
>Okay, check this out.  Last week, some gang members walked into the
>Pizza Shack, a local cop hangout located in the pseudo-"hood" of
>Minneapolis, and shot a cop dead in the back,
>killing him.  There was no confrontation or anything.  The dudes just
>came up and straight jacked him.  The police officer's name was Jerry
>Haaf.  If you knew this, then good.  If you didn't, well, now you
>know.

(Stuff deleted for brevity.)
>
>So what do yall think?  Is it a big deal over something trivial or do
>these people actually got a beef (the po-lice of course)?
>
>RACIALLY TORN IN MINNEAPOLIS
.
.
First, Malcolm, in the immortal words of NWA (I believe):
fuckthapolice.
.
Secondly, I quote Dr. John as well: right place, wrong time.
.
I feel sorry for the dude who got smoked and his wife and family.
At least, give a person a reason why s/he is dying or something.  I
hope they catch him.
.
However, black folks, men and not a few women, are being jacked up
constantly, for just being black. This does not excuse these
roughriders...
.
The assistant chief did right in trying to create some kind of line
to the united gangs. Unfortunately, most of the other white cops
know only one way to handle things...on horseback, with a gun, and
creating more shit in the process.
.
Watch and see whether the assistant chief gets called home to join
his cops against the gangs or not. If he has balls, they're gonna
sack him.
.
Too bad.
From: v105l4lg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (c pierre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism/same here
Summary: samething repackaged
Keywords: true
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:18:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep25.190754.3705@cas.org>, cwm54@cas.org writes...

>	  Is it any wonder we're an angry and confused race? 
>				   Carlyle
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  these views are mine and not those of CAS.

	Well said Carl. Malcolm once said that a black man with a PhD is
 still a nigger. He is right of course, even though we're on the verge of
 the twenty first century the game is still the same. I rather see it and
 understand that there is nothing I can do about, than to be ignorant of it.
_______________________________________________________________________________
	   "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
						-Sun Tzu 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Atlanta Project
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:31:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct2.013739.13648@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm), who wrote:
>:This morning on NPR there was a feature report on the Atlanta Project,
>:which former pres. Jimmy Carter has devoted a lot of time to see going.
>:Evidently most of the operations funds are geared towards organizing 
>:people for response to the city's needs in responding to poverty and crime.
>:But there seems to be a backlash against the project recently by 
>:some civil rights leaders.  Can anyone in Atlanta give us details?
>:
>:Steve Timm
>
>I have before me the January 20, 1992 issue of The Wall Street
>Journal, or more accurately, this story that appeared on page
>A14:
>
		[article deleted]

the article was pretty interesting but i would comment that the wall
street journal is very unlikely to present the point of view of civil
rights leaders in its articles...

-- 
  __  ______  __  / __/ |       at&t bell laboratories, naperville il, usa
_/ (_(_) / (_(_/_/_(_/  .       ronald@iexist.att.com / att!iexist!ronald
"if you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes" -- edmund wilson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Defeating the myth of "races"
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:32:46 GMT

In article <jumper.717729048@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:

> BTW, if you think the above might apply...would it actually hurt
> more than the majority race?  (sidestepping the issue of who decides
> whom is the majority race) I ask that in the context of, if the idea
> of separate races is abolished, especially as established in
> government and law, how do blacks and other minorities redress their
> greivances?

How about, just like any citizen? I find the idea of enshrining race
in the law an appalling idea, especially if (as you've argued) it's a
myth. I remember a time when certain civil rights leaders opposed race
based law. My, how things change.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
From: jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: A history of Black Americans {In Their Own Words}
Date: 1 Oct 1992 06:05:16 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sometime back I remember someone requesting material on Black history. Well
I just might have something that is interesting to most of you. This book is
for readers who want to know about the experience of Black Americans and to
understand the significance of their history for our country (America) and our
times.

In these pages the people who helped shape history tell their stories in their
own words. This is how the world looked to them. They speak through their 
letters, diaries, journals, autobiographies, speeches, resolutions, newspapers,
pamphlets, testimony before courts and in legislative hearings. In these primary
sources balck men, women, and children reveal what they thougth and felt, what
they did, what they achieved. They help us see why things are the way they are.
And why there is still much to be done ti make this a truly free and equal 
society.

Here are personal accounts of slaves and free Blacks, of abolitionists, of
soldiers in the Civil War, from the great years of Reconstruction when Blacks
voted and held office and made laws, and the long dark decades the followed
the overthrow of reconstruction.

Then their are the reports of the mass migration from the cotton fields of the
South to the big cities of the North and West, and the deep changes in Black
life it brought about and much much more. 

The book:  The Black Americans; subtitle : A History in Their Own Words 1619-
1983, a Harper Trophy Book, Harper and Row, Publishers, edited by Milton 
Meltzer. 

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Subject: trial postings newspapers ghana
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:28:21 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Reprocrats (was Re: republicans)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:35:30 GMT

In article <20SEP199201355659@zeus.tamu.edu> djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J) writes:
$if you want to know what the republicans think of ya  look a pat buchans 
$(sp? i ain't even going to try)
$he refused to go to the graveyard of the black soldiers who fought for the
$SOUTH.
$That should tell you that 
$		EVEN IF YOU SELLOUT CAN'T BE DOWN WITH THEM, REALLY.
$
$d.j.loki seth I
$
$my $.02 

Even if you sell out you can't be down wit Democrats either.  And
they're more slick about it.  Wanna be all up in your face talkin that
crazy "You can be a part of us" shit.  Please.  Ain't foolin me.

Of course, if Bush gets re-elected, I'm only 310 miles from the
Canadian border, I will WALK those fuckin 310 miles.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE:Malcom X School
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: venus.28SEP199210152285
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

For years the public education system has been geared to one culture, Eurocentr
icism. It's a basic realization that public schools don't serve the needs of
many of our African American youth. So why is their a big deal over altering
a teaching program that will cater to their specific needs. 

America is so hypocritical when it comes to the idea of the "Melting Pot." 
We are finally at a point where African Americans see that the U.S. Public
School system is institutionally racist and now there is an effort to show
African Americans some sort of pride and self-esteem and Europeans are getting
upset. I say make public schools cater to African American needs and not just
Europeans. 


Integration not Assimilation

Edward A. Haskin
Graduate Student
Dept. of Sociology
Texas A&M University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.australian
From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Make a friend today, send a postcard to Oz ...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:32:57 GMT

I just started to stick some old postcards on the wall at home and found
it growing into a very interesting collage, or wallpaper of sorts even. A 
great deal of interest value and a dash of nostalgia for me personally as 
well. Now although I had a fair stack, I was a little surprised at how small 
a postcard is and how large a wall is. 

So, I'd like to invite you to send me a postcard for which I will:

a) be eternally grateful
b) send one back (if desired)
c) invite you around for a cup of tea, a chat and even to stay a few days 
   (if you like ...)

Just think, you'll make your mark on my wall, and my life, and maybe
even make a friend for life. Or then again, maybe just a postcard for
your own wall ;-).

To join the revolution, just mail a postcard to me here:

Bernd Wechner
5 Charles Avenue
Minnamurra 2532
Australia

Remembering to include your own name and address if you like and see
what interesting things you can add to that. 

All the best then, and here's hoping we have some friendly people with
some motivation in the audience tonight ;-).

Ciao,

Bernd.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Africans in the Military 	
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:30:06 GMT

cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:

>As quoted from <1992Sep28.022050.6065@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> by afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel):
[comments about looking for Good books an af-ams and a recommendation for
_strength for the fight_ deleted]
>> At the same time, I often think that if I was an af-am that I'd
>> be rather ambiguous in my feelings about 
>> Af-Ams in the U.S. military.  For example, many Egyptians fought
>> with the Engish colonialists against the Sudanese in the beginning
>> of the 20th century and late 19th century.  And many Moroccans
>> and Algerians fought with the French in WW1 (France had colonized
>> them.)  Yet I've never heard any person or historian from these
>> countries discuss this with any type of feeling except, "We
>> did the dirty work for these people again."

>Don't forget the Black American troops who fought with the French in WWI. They
>used French weapons and equipment,so they might not be recognized in photos by
>people who don't know what to look for.  One of my great uncles was in France
>in WWI, but I think he was under US command.

Yup, check out the video/movie _a soldier's story_ and the first-sergeant in
it gives some vivid recollections of his wwi experience and how it embittered
him.  it also plays a role in his testimony about a murder in the movie. 

He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american