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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Never again. How soon we forget.
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:03:52 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

>>>>	This is pathetic, and somewhat sick.
>>	2) It wasn't in repsonse to what you posted, but what Brian did.
>
>  I know that, but the questions are still valid and the "pro-
>  interventionists" are still evading them.  

Here's some solid political advice, certain to assuage the concerns of the
poltical left - there is clearly only one policy which we can adopt, and
that is to endlessly pontificate about how to help, in the hope everyone
will be dead before we have to get off our ass and actually _do_ anything.

With some judicious political prattle, we can adopt the high moral
appearance of wanting to help stop the killing, while doing nothing of the
sort, thus placating everyone opposed to intervention.

It might help to televise the killing every night on news specials, with
sports commentators instead of news commentators - given the end of the
Olympic Games, there are now lots of them available for work.

-- 
"I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race.
It's one of those things it is easy to talk about -- `The Jewish race is being
exterminated,' says one party member, `that's quite clear, it's in our program
-- elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them.'"[Himmler]
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Concealable Weapons (Was: Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:40:49 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <l97kp9INN43v@news.bbn.com> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.142244.3832@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org () writes:
>   (BTW, there has been at least one aircraft hijack attempt
>   using a bottle containing a fluid identified by the hijacker
>   as gasoline)
>This would explain the following when I was going through an airport
>security check-point (the then Pan Am Shuttle).  The security man
>opened up my bag and found a small flask of Jack Daniels.  He opened
>it up and sniffed it to make sure it was alcohol.  I didn't understand
>why at the time.  Now I do.

Hmm... I live in Chicago and travel each week to New Jersey.  Numerous
times  I've brought six packs of  homebrew beer with   me  in carry on
luggage..  I have *never* been aasked about the bottles or what was in
them. I wondered how easy it would be for some bozo to fill up bottles
with gasoline or some other kind of nasty substanc, cap them and board
the plane!
		reb
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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.news-media,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Media Bias at Republican Convention
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:39:28 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <JMC.92Aug21193658@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>As for where to put the New Republic on the political spectrum, I may
>be mistaken, but I don't recall that it has ever failed to endorse the
>Democratic candidate for President.  Now perhaps Chuck Lavazzi puts
>the center of the political spectrum to the left of the Democrats.
	No, actually I'd put it slightly to the right of the current Democratic
platform, on the whole.  I *will* admit that it has been a while since I
read a copy of TNR, so my impressions my be a) out of date and b) fuzzy.  I
*do* recall that they supported the Contras, which hardly classifies as a
typically "liberal" attitude.  They may still be somewhat left of center on
the domestic front; I really don't recall.

>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>
Chuck
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ))
Subject: Re: reagan
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:07:19 GMT

cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:


>pat buchannan, what a man -- i couldn't have said 
>anything any more damming about the republican party than what came out of 
>that mans mouth. whose side is he on anyway? i loved the homophobia bit, the 
>anti-feminisim bit, the anti black bit.

Hmmm... I guess you were watching a different convention. Why don't you
quote the relevent parts of Buchanan's speech which were "homophobic",
"anti-feminist", or "anti-black".

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:31:09 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.141932.20456@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> 
>> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
> 
>> >Supply side economics?
>> 
>> 	"We reduced tax rates and we increased the tax base. ..
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> We've reduced tax rates and strengthened enforcement, and now we are
>> getting more revenue out of lower tax rates."
>> 	-President Carlos Salinas, of Mexico
>> 	quoted in Forbes magazine, Aug 17, 1992
>> 
>> The top tax rate was reduced from 60% to 35%. The capital gains tax rate
>> in Mexico is currently zero.
>> 
>> More revenues out of lower tax rates?  Yes, it happens. Believe it.
> 
> "and we increased the tax base".

	By tightening enforcement, not by adding new taxes.  I'd quote the
article, but it's all in Derailing, part 3.

Brett                                                      
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From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:17 PDT
Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
Nf-ID: #R:QFS-fv@engin.umich.edu:1034962224:cdp:1296500300:000:1506
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Aug 22 08:17:00 1992



Steve dismisses any general convergence of policy viewpoints
between Liberty Lobby and the LaRouche group by dragging a red
herring across the trail. There is ample evidence that Liberty
Lobby and the LaRouchians worked together for many years. That is
one issue. The issue of similarity of views can be addressed
alone.
  There is substantial overlap betwen the policy views of Liberty
Lobby and the LaRouchians. Both are based on a paranoid assumption
that the world is controled by secret elites. Both point to rich
Jewish banking families and their allies. Both assume that Israeli
intelligence and British intelligence have polluted the CIA and
U.S. foreign policy. Both depend heavily on the intellectual ideas
of Spengler (Decline of the West) and the false assertion that
today's "Jews" are actually an Asiatic race called the Khazars who
converted to Judaism and thus have no moral claim to the heritage
of Biblical Jews. Both divide capitalist control into
industrialists (productive) and financiers (parasitic) and side
with the small business interests against the interests of
multi-national corporations (an idea that was promoted by the
early Populist movements of the late 1800's).
  I have read the newspapers of both groups for ten years as part
of my job studying fascist organizations. Both groups well deserve
the term fascist.  While there are many differences between the
two groups, much of the underlying philosophy is the same.
-Chip Berlet Analyst Political Research Associates

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: Who is the President of the USA today???
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:50:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug13.213347.11829@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston) writes:
>
>Who is the President of the USA today???
>
>Who IS the Vice President of the USA today???
>
>Do you have the answer? Please respond!
>

	Gee, I _knew_ that Bush and Quayle were zeros, but I at least
assumed that their _supporters_ knew their names!

	Sheesh - they really _are_ losers, aren't they?

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: I'll sue you!  Hey, you can't do it back!
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:17:54 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <16bcl5INNp2k@agate.berkeley.edu>, jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>> David Kamola, 33, and Christopher Mackinney, 36, allegedly
>> drew anti-UC slogans on a sidewalk adjacent to People's Park
>> last year. . . . Both men filed a suit against the university
>> on the grounds that their First Amendment rights were
>> violated.
> 
> =+= Yet another lawsuit has been filed by UC against activist
> David Nadel.  Nadel made a statement to the effect that he would
> not be surprised if somebody vandalized the volleyball courts
> that UC put up in People's Park.  When the courts were indeed
> vandalized, UC filed a lawsuit against Nadel for "inciting" it.

	Hopefully they will get far more than $25,000.

> =+= This is widely viewed as a SLAPP lawsuit.  UC hasn't a

	For those of you who don't know what a slapp suit is, it's when anyone
but an activist[1] files a lawsuit to stop an action, or in response to an
action.

[1]  Of course we mean "approved" activists.  After all, pro-life, Republican,
pro-military, pro-space, etc. aren't really activists.
:\

> snowball's chance in Hell of winning the lawsuit (thanks to the
> First Amendment), but it can run up Nadel's legal expenses.

	In other words, it's just like the other lawsuit, only the shoe is on
the other foot?

> Out of all the People's Park activists who've mentioned the
> likelihood of vandalism, they chose Nadel, presumably because
> he's the only one with assets:  Nadel owns Ashkenaz, Berkeley's
> finest dance club.

	Ahhh, merely an instance of "deep pockets", then.  My how the other
side howls when it happens to them.
   
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From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Subject: Re: SWAT team kills innocent woman in No-Knock raid.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:51:46 GMT
Organization: Trivializers R Us
Keywords: SWAT police no-knock raid death thugs occupying-army friendly-fire Officer-Friendly Enemies-R-US

In article <1992Aug17.140727.10565@news.eng.convex.com> gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.222303.12522@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>>You did, all of you, already.  You wanted secure streets, less crime,
>>jail for drug dealers, and the right to be secure in the dim, flickering
>>light of your livingrooms, sealed off in your mercury-vapor-illuminated
>>urban fortresses.  You paid for it, and you got what you ordered.
>	Yes.  I'm afraid you are right.
>
>>This old cynic suspects that these guys are just adrenalin junkies and
>>thrill-seekers that get off playing close to the edge, and have found a
>>way to get the state to finance their habit.  Others go bungee-jumping.
>	This old cynic agrees with you.  I think that that type 
>	of work attracts a certain kind of person shall we say. . .
>
>>Bosh, he'll just jam his pointy head down a bottle, seeking oblivion
>>and very likely finding it.
>	I doubt he'll even do that.  Sociopaths don't need to drown their
>	consciences in liqour---they have none. Every society has its 
>	sociopaths, individuals that are totally lacking in any regard for 
>	others.  During the Nazi years such minds were attracted to the Gestapo
>	and the SS.  Here in America we have to wake up to the fact that
>	as we push harder for more punitive "solutions" to our social
>	problems we are creating a market for such sociopaths in 
>	law enforcement.

Sadly, IMO, it's worse than that. We're training people who go
into the field to become sociopaths. (As indeed the Nazis did --
there are pages upon pages of speeches telling the recruits that
their consciences will be outraged by the things that they do, but
that they must remember how crucial their work is to the Fatherland...)

Saw a squib not that long ago from a sociologist who followed some NYC
police officers from basic training through the first year on the job,
found that they went in all idealistic and wanting to help people but
uniformly became cynical and vicious in the process of "learning the
ropes."

The problem is not that all the drug warriors are vicious control freak
sociopaths. The problem is that many of them are initially decent
people who honestly believe they are doing a useful job.

paul
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: dwolff@res-c4.Prime.COM (David Wolff)
Subject: Re: Who is the President of the USA today???
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:32:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.213347.11829@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston) writes:
> 
> Who is the President of the USA today???
> 
> Who IS the Vice President of the USA today???
> 
> Do you have the answer? Please respond!

Ask your local librarian for the Gale Directory.  It has names and addresses
for all kinds of publications -- USA Today will certainly be there.

I don't know if I should put a smiley here or not.

David Wolff

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Pat Pat Pat (was: Re: reagan)
From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:17:15 GMT
 <1992Aug18.220719.8243@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> <1992Aug19.145031.1164@fig.citib.com> <1992Aug19.201145.3280@fig.citib.com>
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: zoll

In article <1992Aug19.201145.3280@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
> 
> |> In article <1992Aug18.220719.8243@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>, kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:
> |> |> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
> |> |> 
> |> |> 
> |> |> >pat buchannan, what a man -- i couldn't have said 
> |> |> >anything any more damming about the republican party than what came out of 
> |> |> >that mans mouth. whose side is he on anyway? i loved the homophobia bit, the 
> |> |> >anti-feminisim bit, the anti black bit.
> |> |> 
> |> |> Hmmm... I guess you were watching a different convention. Why don't you
> |> |> quote the relevent parts of Buchanan's speech which were "homophobic",
> |> |> "anti-feminist", or "anti-black".
> 
> "....and we stand with him against the amoral idea that
> gay and lesbian couples should have the same standing in
> law as married men and women."


It shopuld also be pointed out that the lovely story he told about the 
convelecent home was total bull. No kidding! The home does exist, and it was 
protected, but not by a bunch of uniformed thugs carrying out the orders of the 
New World Order, but by the residents of the home. In fact, when the national 
guard troups finally showed up, there was almost nothing left to do.

It is sad that this man was able to spew forth such hate, and so many lies to 
the American public on a nationwide coverage, but, as he said, this is a war, 
and the first casualty of war is the truth. Pat killed it.

jmi
ivler@mdcbbs.com
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:34:03 GMT

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>	I like what one Canadian friend I once had said: what is
>considered economically left-wing here in the US would probably be
>called conservative (you got it, conservative) in Canada and other
>places.


I'll second that notion ... I considered myself conservative up north
because the first dividing line is economic and being the descendant
of two generations of Asian immigrant entrepreneurs, I had emperical
knowledge that free enterprise can work wonders.  At the same time,
public health insurance gave my father's staff a security that
comparable low-wage workers (servers and chefs in a medium-large
Chinese restaurant) can't enjoy here in the United States ... and I
probably won't enjoy until I'm inside a high tech company.  However, I
hated excessive government spending on each and every little thing ...
so conservative really means fiscally conservative, because the
Mulroney Conservatives are as socially liberal as Chretien's Liberals
but maybe not quite as much as the New Democratic Party of Audrey
MacLoughlin.  The Germans have a term for this, and it's called
"social market" ... non-American conservatives tend to be social
marketeers, and are the living descendants of the classical European
liberals that American Libertarians make claim to heritage.  Social
market thought can be found in both Mitterand's Socialist Party and
Kohl's Christian Democrats, the two prime movers of the European
Community.  The British magazine The Economist, quoted often here
on USENET, is the flagship publication of this mode of thought.

One of the problems with debating about political situations outside
of the United States is that parties and thought tend not to fall
between lines drawn by Americans on what is right and what is left.
Stumping for free trade and for public health insurance is not any
kind of contradiction for people like me and Gerald Olchowy and Jim
Robinson.

gld
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: DEMOCRATIC PARTY ATTMPTIND TO RULE THE WORLD
Summary: 
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Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:14:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.111508.3681@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dea writes...
> 
>ALL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS IS COMPLETE CONTROL, FIRST IT'S CONGRESS
>THEN IT'S THE PRESIDENCE,THEN IT'S AMERICA,AND FINALY THE WORLD.

Hey! You know that key of the left side of your keyboard that turnes
your letters into capitals? Well hit it! 
	Now the next time you post something, put down something 
besides dogmatic diatribe with now information to back up your statements.

Garrett@Ingres.com

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ))
Subject: Re: More on Phone Zap
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:02:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism

jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

>[Note that this is a discussion, not activism, and thus does not
>belong in alt.activism.  Followups to alt.activism.d *only*.]

Thank you, Heir Dyer, but I prefer to put them here.


>=o= You seem to be confused.  ACT UP's "phone zaps" are meant
>to communicate a message.  This is not by any means the same
>as berating or harrassment.

Typical leftist hypocrasy. Are the companies which ACT-UP 
"phone-zaps" ACT-UP vendors? Why does ACT-UP call on these
firm's 800 numbers designed for customer information, not
policy disagreement forums?

Does ACT-UP "phone-zap" any companies when the phone number in
question is long distance? Or, are only companies which have
"local call" or "800" numbers zapped?


>=o= Seeing as how in the hypothetical situation above I would
>be receiving only what I myself has posted, that situation could
>hardly be anything *but* harrassment.

Hmmm... So flooding a company's 800 number, which exists for
customers to use, with harassing phone calls regarding their
policy over <X> is okay, but me reflecting all of your postings
back to you with a note saying "I object to what you are
writing" is harassment? Interesting double standard.

MD
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