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From: v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Who are these new Pirates ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In response to the recent speculation of how Young, Garcia, and Martin are
going to fit in the Pirates batting order, I killed three hours today with
a little research. I went through all the boxscores for the Buffalo Bisons
last year and tabulated where Young, Garcia, and Martin started in the batting
order. Whether you believe that Bison manager Marc Bombard made up his own 
lineup card or not, these three played together nearly the whole year and this
is how he started them (or the Pirates told him how to start them):

Kevin Young

3rd     72
2nd     39
6th      9
5th      7
7th      3

If Van Slyke hits 4th, I can see Kevin hitting 3rd. Outstanding BB/K ratio.

Carlos Garcia

5th     69
6th     15
2nd     14
7th      6
4th      4
1st      1

I think he has more power potential than Martin, and can see him hitting 5th
or 6th for the Bucs.

Al Martin

2nd     40
1st     26
6th     12
7th     12
5th      6
8th      4
4th      1
9th      1

Don't look for your cleanup hitter here, he won't hit 20 in the majors.
The best place for him is 6th or 7th, I think.

Since the Pirates seem to be missing a cleanup hitter, these players all
hit 4th in this many games for the Bisons:

Brian Dorsett        104
Dave Clark            23
Jose Tolentino         5
Tom Prince             2
Don Slaught            2
Jeff King              1   

Perhaps the Pirates were just worrying about getting Young, Garcia, and Martin
maximum at-bats, but I don't think so. All three had terrific years and during
a critical stretch run batted 1, 2, 3 (Martin, Garcia, Young), and led the
Bisons to the division title. I don't think any of them are the cleanup
hitter Pirate fans are looking for, however.  

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:48:37 -0500 
From: Josh S Linder <jl6p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rundown of offseason transactions SO FAR

I may be repeating you, but here are some I think you missed:

1. Andres Galarraga signed by Rockies.
2. David West traded from Twins to Phillies for Mike Hartley
3. Darnell Coles signed by Blue Jays
4. Cory Snyder signed by Dodgers
5. Dave Martinez signed by Giants
6. Spike Owen signed by Yankees
7. Greg Swindell signed by Astros
8. Tom Henke signed by Red Sox
9. Jose Lind traded to Kansas City for 2 minor league pitchers

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From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Subject: Re: Holy Mother of God! (was: Re: Lou Gorman is a moron)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:56:36 GMT
Summary: Plantier trade makes no sense...

In article <1992Dec14.145106.22341@samba.oit.unc.edu>, jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.180451.26514@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) writes:
> >In article <92336.161132IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> >>Red Sox general manager Lou Gorman is a fool.  He must
> >>sit at home every night trying to think of how he can
> >>ruin the Red Sox even more.
> > 
> >  I hate to sound repetitive, but 
> >
> >  Holy Mother of God! What has Lou Gorman been smoking? 
> >
> >  Heard a day or two ago the Red Sox sent Phil Plantier to San Diego for Jose 
> >Melendez. ESPN mentioned it almost as an 'Oh by the way' type sidenote, and 

The Red Sox are really making some DUMB deals.  Melendez is a decent
pitcher, but NO WAY should he be traded even up for Plantier.
(Of course this is the same team that gave away Jeff Bagwell too.)
It has to be because Plantier and Hobson didn't get along;
Even if that's true, Plantier's value HAD to be higher.

Interesting linup in San Diego:  Gwynn, Sheffield, McGriff, Plantier
That team will score runs.

Rich Barry
barry@ihlpe.att.com
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From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Re: Maddux a Brave (Was: Re: Bob Gaj's Hot Stove, and Other Signings...)
Keywords: Cubs, Maddux
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.014913.13810@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg  
"Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> 
> What happened during the last off-season was this: Cubs management made  
Maddux
> an offer of 5 years, $25 million and said he had to get back to them
> within one day.  Maddux wouldn't decide in one day.  A few days later
> Maddux got back to the Cubs and said he'd accept the offer, but the
> Cubs said the offer was no longer on the table.
> 
> A deadline like that is fine when you're after a free agent and you  
don't
> want to get in a bidding war.  But it seems kind of arbitrary to set
> a deadline of 24 hours when there's no real reason for that deadline
> except to show off your "power."
> 
> Maddux wasn't very happy with these chain of events, and obviously
> left Chicago because of his distaste for how these were handled, and
> not for the money.

Thanks for the info. Yes, the one obvious thing about all of this was that  
it wasn't for the money. How ridiculous...considering how difficult it  
seems to be for the Cubs to acquire or bring up good (not to mention  
excellent) players, why do they do things like this with the few pearls  
they do have? But you know that if Sandberg were in the position Maddux  
was in (and I like Ryno, so no personal criticism of him intended),  
there's no way they'd have done this to him at *any* time in the season.  
Ryno doesn't like the way contract talks are going so he says "I'm not  
going to even think about it any more until the season's over," and the  
front office says "No problem." And then after having been made to wait,  
they make him the [latest] richest player in baseball. But Greg can't  
decide in 24 hours...and then goes on to have yet another incredible  
season and finally win the Cy Young, even with all the hassles from the  
front office...and they tell him good riddance?! Go figure. Nah...don't  
bother...it's the Cubs.

Maybe they got too heady over the unusually good performance of their  
pitching staff this season, so they thought they could afford to mess with  
Maddux and even chance losing him. Whatever their reasoning (if anything  
that can be called "reasoning" was involved), we'll see how it affects not  
only next season's pitching but the team in general.

Someone should take up a collection so Ernie Banks can buy the club...then  
maybe we'd get (and keep) good players, and maybe we could actually win  
something and, most importantly, maybe Wrigley would be the Friendly  
Confines again :-(

BTW--haven't heard much (if anything) on the net about the reaction from  
the city and fans about Greg's leaving. Tell us, tell us! What's been said  
on tv/radio and in the papers? And did Greg leave the fans with any sort  
of "message" before he left? I can imagine what Steve and Harry must be  
saying about it...Ho-ly Cowwwwwwwwww!!
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:58:15 GMT

In article <789@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>Could someone answer some or all of the following questions for me?
>
>	1. What is the revenue-sharing cheme currently used for gate take
>	   and MLB merchandising revenue?  (E.g. is it 50/50, 60-home/
>	   40-visitor, or what?)

This is unconfirmed, but in the last reference someone obtained for me
(and I should have gotten the date) the break down is like this:

	GATE:	Home Team	55%
		Visiting Team	30%
		MLB		 5%
		MLBPA Pension	 8%
		Hold account	 2%

The hold account is for miscellaneous expenses caused by many things.
This money was once used as strike insurance in 1986 (where I think
these numbers came from, but they're pretty much the same today) and for
paying extrodinary items (John Dowd was paid out of this fund for his
Rose and Steinbrenner investigations).  MLB also pays the bill for
arbitration (the mechanics of it) out of this fund.  Also note that the
gate receipts are counted differently in each league.  The AL counts
ticket sales, the NL counts fannies in the seats.  In the NL, the team
pockets the money on no-shows with no further obligation to anyone else.

	MLB Properties:
		MLB/Teams	55%
		MLBPA		45%

MLB and the Teams split this money equally.  There was no break down on
how the MLBPA split their money up since they are not required to tell
anyone about it.

	TV/RADIO:
		Appearance fee of 22% (I think this is a little higher
		now)of the pro-rated value of the contract for each game
		AFTER the percentage is taken off the top for the MLBPA
		pension.

For example, if the TV/Radio contract is worth $10 Million per year, the
value is considered $61,728 per game (I'm rounding).  The "other team"
then gets $13,580 for appearing on your air waves as an appearance fee.
Therefore, using this example, NL teams would pay $217,283 to each team
in their division and $108,641 to teams in the other division
(pre-expansion, of course).

Many owners are looking to up the appearance fee, especially in the AL
when they play the Yankees 12-13 times per season.

The amount for the MLBPA Pension was changed in the last CBA.  In 1986 I
think it used to be 6%, but now I think it is 8%.  The same percentage
that is used in the national TV/Radio contract is the same one used for
the local contracts.
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays-Gillick
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:38:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.024640.21506@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>
>I guess we will just have to wait for Valentine (or any of the other
>"prominent" posters to this group) to start blaming Cito for the Jay
>collapse.  And when he does, I will call him a dork.

Fuck you!  At least wait until I say something before you attack me
for saying it.

I personally believe that the manager doesn't usually make *that* much
of a difference.  Batting Carter third and Devon White may be
sub-optimal, but it's not going to cost the team *that* many games.
Keeping everybody happy may help a lot when it comes time to sign free
agents, but again I don't see it making a tremendous difference on the
playing field (I know many people disagree with me on this one, and
don't feel like arguing it now).

An example of how a manager *can* make a big difference?  Butch Hobson
couldn't deal with Phil Plantier, and so the Sox threw away their best
offensive prospect (excluding Bagwell) in *years*.  Morgan drove off
Larry Andersen.  McNamara threw the '86 World Series.  I guess Cito
hasn't made any major negative contributions like that, so things
could be worse.  He plays the same nine players every day, but for the
most part that makes sense.  Makes it difficult for Derek Bell to get
a chance, but Maldonado *did* play well this year, and the team *was*
in a pennant race.

I *do* criticize Cito Gaston harshly at times.  I think he severly
underrates Olerud, overrates Carter, and I don't like the way he
handles his bullpen.  I also *suspect* him of intentionally
embarrassing David Wells (though I can't prove it, of course).  Oh,
and if the Jays had lost the WS I would have blamed it on his choice
of starters.  (Morris wasn't very effective, now was he?)  But the
rest of the time he doesn't do anything too horrible.

If the Jays take a dive this year, I will blame it on Pat Gillick.  He
built a contender by finding talent that others overlooked.  But now?
Molitor was a good signing, but I think that Stewart, Carter, and
Morris are rather overpaid.  I think the pitching looks *very* shaky
at this point, especially if Guzman gets injured.  The loss of Henke
was inevitable, and I don't think the Jays should have attempted to
sign him.  But it still hurts.

Can the Jays win with only one top starter?  Maybe.  But I'd bet on
the Yankees right now, with the Jays finishing second.

-Valentine
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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: MATTINGLY'S MOST HOMERUN PRODUCTION
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 23:12:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <dchou.724191024@husc11> dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
>Hi.   Could you tell me the number of home runs Don Mattingly has
>hit the most of in ONE SINGLE season?  Thanks.

35, in 1985, followed by 31 in 1986 and 30 in 1987. He's never hit more than
23 in any other year.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

The US has a vital interest in that area of the country.
	- Vice President Dan Quayle, referring to Latin America.
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Maynard Ex Ante
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:41:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <42736@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.185902.7434@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
 writes:
>>Ted "'Wildcat' Schrodinger was the best man in the batter's box" Frank
>                                           ^
>                                       who may have been
I'd say he was definitely in the batter's box, but we're just not sure exactly
where in the box he is, Damn confusing on the base paths that Schrodinger, but
atleast he could (and did) play nearly ever position on the field.  Gave the
opponents a new strategy, Hit it where he is because he sure as hell won't be
there long.


>
>
>--
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From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jays-Gillick
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:18:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec13.043952.11594@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>
>Right on Pat!  Let's rebuild!  And when the jays go down the toilet this
>year all the stathead dorks in this group will be calling for Cito's head.

My, my Roger.  I'll bet your e-mail this week is nearly as interesting as 
mine 8^)

PSG

-- 
America must've gone through quite a change the last month and a half.  Since
Clinton promised a cabinet that "would look more like America," it must be that
we've all become far left academicians or career politicians.  The ivory tower
is rebuilt, communism lives and it's advocates are working for Bill Clinton!
From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:46:10 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Dec20.034702.1492@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes:
>Perhaps Boggs just doesn't hit well of the road- like on road trips.
>(Maybe he is too busy with other pursuits!) So maybe settling in Yankee
>Stadium, he will hit like he is home. Let's all remember that it's not
>necessarily the park- it could be the state of mind.
>
>-AEK
> 
Its possible, but Boggs probably hit 10-15 balls a year off the Green
Monster. In Yankee Stadium, those are going to be, what, 50 feet short
of the fence? Easy outs. 

The reason I think it is, largely, the park is that a batter doesn"t
have absolute control over where he hits something; he just hits a
ball hard, somewhere, with some control over pull, uppercut, etc.
Where the ball goes after leaving the bat is literally out of his
hands: into the foul seats, except in Oakland; a flyout to left,
except in Fenway; a warning track out, except in Atlanta where the
elevation and humidity get you an extra 5 feet and its over the fence;
a hard single through the hole, unless you"re on the soft dirt of
Tiger Stadium or Camden Yards.

Clay D.

Middle infielders over 30: how long is the grass going to be in
Camden Yard this year?
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From: guest@sili (Rockin' Robyn)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Ex-Jay
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:06:12 GMT

cazabon@csd.uwo.ca (Yvan Cazabon) writes:

>Candy Maldonado signed a $3 million, 2 year contract with the Chicago Cubs.

     And Cubs fans have to look long and hard at the competitive outfield
     they are going to trot out there on an everyday basis, with May(lf),
     Sosa(cf), and Maldanado(rf).  Where's the leadoff hitter here?
       
     Dunston(ss) haha, Sandberg, Grace, Maldanado, Buechele, Sosa, 
                       Wilkins, May, and pitcher's spot.

     This lineup really doesn't flow together well.  With an infield as solid
     as the Cubs, you'd figure offense would be no team problem no matter who
     patrolled the green grass near the bleachers.  I was hoping for Sierra.
     I got Maldanado (albeit cheaply).  Nuff said.......,
                       

>Yvan Cazabon
>cazabon@csd.uwo.ca
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Subject: Re: SOLUTION TO DH CONTROVERSY?
From: mlbruce@husc11.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce)
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:20:28 GMT

bz832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wesley R. Kemmerlin) writes:


>For about 20 years now, MLB has been split between the two
>leagues on the DH. I have a possible compromise for the two
>leagues:

>The pitcher must be in the batting order, but there can be a DH
>for another position player.

>This would keep the strategy of pinch-hitting or not for the
>pitcher in the game, a major disadvantage of current DH for
>anti-DH'ers.

The problem is not with the "strategy" of pinch-hitting for the pitcher
(actually there's more strategy in a DH league, since one must decide how
long to keep a relief pitcher in based on factors other than no-brain
pinch-hitting situations) so much as it is with the idea that a pitcher
should be treated any differently from any of the other players. After
all, should Mitch Williams or Bob Scanlan have a "designated fielder"?

>This would also keep a better hitter in the batting order, a
>major advantage of current DH for pro-DH'ers.

>So what do all of you pro and anti DH'ers think about this???

As an anti-DH person I think it's good to think along those lines, because
your idea demonstrates the absurdity of having a DH in the first place.
The 9 who field should be the 9 who bat. Other possibilities: make the DH
field somewhere (anywhere) or drop the pitcher's spot entirely from the
line-up. Both demonstrate the absurdity of the whole DH concept.
 >-- 
>WESLEY
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From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Subject: Re: All-Henderson Team;All-Jewish Team
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:38:53 GMT

There was a pitcher on the White Sox in the late 70's or early 80's who
I believe was Jewish:  Ross Baumgarten.

Mike Sager
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:57:18 EST
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Braves Sign Maddux, LOSE 93 SERIES!!!!!!!!

         Well, after I got done jumping for joy over hearing how the Braves
   signed Maddux, I realized we are DOOMED! DOOOOOOMMMED!!

         Scherholz you idiot! Don't you realize the Braves now have Bielecki,
   Berryhill and Maddux! 3 Ex-Cubs!! It's the Ex-Cub Factor!

  Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

    Quick! Trade Beilecki! or Berryhill! or give them away! Anything!

    No, I'm not paranoid after watching the Braves lose two series in a row.
     Or the fact that the Braves last major free-agent pitcher was Bruce Sutter
 (shutter) Ack! When does spring training start? :)
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                                1991 and 1992 National League Champions!!

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  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: All-Dietz Team
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:11:56 GMT

Couldn't resist (sure hope I get this right, I don't have an Encyclopedia
handy):

Catcher - Dick Dietz, Giants(?)
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:36488 soc.women:21614 soc.men:21368
From: jeffl@houdini.sybase.com (Jeff Lichtman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:38:50 GMT
Organization: Committee to Increase The Entropy

In article <1992Dec11.152058.25258@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
> In article <8DEC92.00475002@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> 
> )... most professional athletes are not averse to being viewed by
> )strange women in casual circumstances.
> 
> That's why they're sending the women reporters dead rats...

Dave Kingman was the guy who sent the woman a dead rat.  Kingman is an
insufferable jackass, which is one of the reasons he was traded so much.
I think it is a mistake to consider his behavior as representative of the
players as a whole.

In my opinion, this business of women reporters in the locker rooms is a
red herring, similar to the argument against the ERA that it would lead to
unisex bathrooms (like the one in my house?).  If you start with the idea
that sex discrimination is wrong, that women reporters should have equal
access, then it is simply a matter of making this possible.  If athletes
object to reporters of the "opposite" sex in their locker rooms, then
set up a separate room for interviews, and do not let any interviews at
all take place in the locker rooms.

I don't really think such measures are necessary.  Haven't we all seen TV
interviews done in locker rooms?  If ballplayers are willing to put up with
TV cameras in their locker rooms, why not female reporters?
---
Jeff Lichtman at Sybase
{mtxinu,pacbell}!sybase!jeffl  -or- jeffl@sybase.com
"Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..."
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From: ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL)
Subject: Re: All-Time Padre team
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:00:50 GMT

Add:
1B Steve Garvey- a fan favorite even though he was in his declining years
RP Mitch Davis- sure he sucks now, but he did win the Cy Young in 1989
SP Ed Whitson- he just retired due to arm trouble.  Can't we do him this little
		favor?

Maybe in a few years SP Andy Benes who has great potential to become a 
super star.

Danny Sokol
Amherst College