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From: guido@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Gary Jensen, Colorado's National Monument)
Subject: Had it!
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:36:54 GMT

Let me summarize what I have been reading here for the last
few days:

If I had a gun, and I was standing on the side of the freeway
and there were CU football players taking a French test in
the fast lane doing 55 miles an hour with bumper stickers
placing guilt on everyone for voting wrong on the
amendments, and playing anti-abortion speeches from a loud
speaker on the roof, and there were birds flying around and
my gun had dirt in the barrel, and there was nobody on the
other side because they were all boycotting Colorado, but a
guy and his picture had been blown up 100 times it's normal
size and the cities DID make money on traffic tickets, and
insurance on this whole mess cost more than in Santa Monica,
I would have to turn to someone and say, "Who are these
people and have they been in the sun too long?"

A "reasonable" person would:

1.  Vote their minds without worry that someone will latter
    say it was politically incorrect, what do they know,

2.  Not listen to people that "spin" the facts and accuse you
    of hating, when all the hate is coming from them,

3.  Feel glad that people are boycotting Colorado because it
    cuts down on the number of those cars with "Z" license
    plates on the road,

4.  Shop in Longmont, Lafayette, Louisville and Broomfield
    because they have it hands down over Boulder, the Boulder
    city council does not have a clue,

5.  Buy all your friends guns and ammo while you still can,

6.  Show your elected officials that you don't need to be
    protected from yourself with lots of laws like seat
    belts, helmets, guns, smoking,

7.  Understand that some people are going to die in any
    society and let them,

8.  Don't feel guilty because you are able to support
    yourself without handouts from the government,

What did I miss?  There must be some buttons left to be
pushed.  I think it is time for a reality check.  Who are you
people and why are you all so bitter?  Why doesn't anyone
like anything?  Oh, it is so easy to criticize, isn't it?

People are too much into their own little worlds.  The
reality is that there is only one world and everyone is not
going to be happy.  Feel good about your place in life and
everyone that does not belong to the "fanatic religious
right" get off my planet!
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From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:48:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

>> Perhaps the thing that gauls me most on interstates is someone exercising
>> their constitutional right to drive at the speed limit in the left lane.

I have been watching this thread here and I have to say one thing about this
comment.  While I don't cruise in the left lane ever, on occasion on a
three lane highway, I will remain in the middle lane (going about 60-65 in a
55).  This is because I am continually passing people in the right hand (slow)
lane as well as giving room to people merging (as they do on 3 lane hwys
in the city).  So, please, explain to me why people insist on passing me on
the right, when the inside fast lane in wide open.  I have watched people
come up behind me with clear lanes on either side and specifically
pass me on the right.  When I used to drive a large work truck/vehicle,
I really realized that visiablity is just not very good on the rhs 
(relying only on mirrors) and even in a car it is not optimal.  My one time 
in Germany, no one ever passed on the outside.  They would flash their
lights at you (or whomever) until the vehicle moved.  If you really don't
like me in the middle lane and don't want to go into the fast lane, flash
your lights and I'll move.  Don't go flying around on the right.  You'll 
probably get caught by someone justifiably merging or going slowly.

Well, there's my pet peeve.  It is not always the slow drivers at fault.


								  Jill

(P.S.  Interesting "fact," from what I've heard, most non-gang related driving
shootings in LA are at people going too slow.)
*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 
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From: sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:48:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1gres0INN22o@winfree.gag.com> bdale@gag.com (Bdale Garbee) writes:

>meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel) writes:
>> EXPLAIN TO ME WHY PEOPLE INSIST ON PASSING ME ON THE RIGHT ...
>
>I asked a friend in northern CA this once, after riding about 100 miles on
>interstates with him where he did this over and over... he believed he would
>be less likely to get picked up for speeding if he wasn't in the left lane.  I
>won't begin to relate the lengthy discussion that ensued, but thought it worth
>pointing out that at least one such person used this as a reason.
>
I believe there is truth in this saying;  when you radar gun says "70" & you
look up to find the speeder, which lane do you first look in ???

There is another reason, though, which I noticed in one year of
Bay Area driving -- in observing which lanes moved fastest in
medium traffic load, the left was ALWAYS slowest, and it got faster
as you moved to the right.  "Keep right, drive fast..."

stew crawford
sgcraw@cs.colostate.edu
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From: chou@CS.ColoState.EDU (chia-hsun chou)
Subject: Ticket for sale
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:30:03 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


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---------------------------------------
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:25:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.150342.5874@ncar.ucar.edu> era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) writes:
>>I think you are confusing "caring about education" with "giving incompetent
>>public school administrators all the money they ask for." 

>Before you prattle on about "incompetent school administrators," please
>answer one question: have you worked with any administrators or
>teachers in the Boulder Valley Public Schools?  In other words, do you
>have pointers for those of us who do work with BVPS personnel and are
>not of the opinion that there is a high level of incompetence in BVPS?

Personal experience isn't the only source of information: I don't
know about BVPS, but Denver public schools spend roughly three times
as much money (per student) and the average spending of _private_
schools. They are therefore, offering an inferior education for a 
far greater price. I think this qualifies as incomp[etency.

                                                    Frank Crary
                                                    CU Boulder
From: bwherry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Colorado Cyberpunk)
Newsgroups: co.ads,co.general,nyx.forsale
Subject: Misc For Sale (MS-Win SW, Bicycle, AT&T 3B1)
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:52:55 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

I have the following items for sale (DENVER area only).

Software for MS-Windows

Visual Basic Version 1.0		$15.00
Quicken for Windows Version 1.0		$ 5.00
MS Word for Windows Version 2.0a	$90.00
WinFAX Version 2.0			$ 5.00
Adobe Type Manager (w/ Font Offer)	$10.00

Dos Software
MTEZ Comm Software with Express FAX	$ 5.00

I'd be willing to take $100.00 for all of it if someone wants it all.

Bicycle and Wind Trainer

Bianchi Brava Road Bike 58.5 cm
	Black with Bianchi Green Trim
	Shimano 105 groupo
	Ridden 95% indoors on trainer
	Comes with Zefal Pump and small Saddle Bag
	Also has Cateye Micro Computer with cadence among normal features.
	I have an extra mounting set for the Cateye if you have another bike.
	Its about 4.5 years old, I paid ~600.00 for it.
	Asking $250.00

Performance Wind Trainer
	Uses adjustable magnetic resistance.  The resistance can be 
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I'd like to sell these together .  For the pair I'm asking $275.00.

AT&T Unix PC (3B1, PC 7300)
	Works, 1MB Memory, 20MB Harddrive.  With original packaging.
	I purchased this 2 months ago and don't have a lot of time
	to fool with it anymore.
	Asking $250.00

You can call me at 898.2430 (leave VM) or 871.8931.

brad
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From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:12:16 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <avdavid.724789643@teal# avdavid@teal.csn.org (David Ewing) writes:
#Hear hear!
#
#I just moved here from San Diego and I can't get over how poorly
#a large percentage of the population drives.

I moved to Denver from New Orleans in 1977. My boss told me that
Denver had the worst drivers in the world. I thought he was joking
until I'd been here about a week and had to agree with him.

One of the first things I notice is that noone will let you merge
onto a limited access thoroughfare. They just stay in the lane
and keep their speed. I followed someone with a Texas plate 
a few years ago and he almost smashed into someone who wouldn't move.
The look on his face was priceless.

I don't know what the reason is. Someone once said the police don't 
crack down or that it was too easy to get a driver's license.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131
Newsgroups: co.general
From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:01:57 GMT

In article <Dec15.235828.71079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford) writes:
>The death-rate per 1,000,000-vehicle miles driven is LOWER on German Autobahns
>than U.S. Interstates.

I'd like to see a reference for this claim. The number I have for the US is
0.97 deaths per 100 million passenger miles (1987).

>  (2) Autobahns in general are poorer quality than our interstates:
>      narrower lanes, narrower shoulders, tighter radius turns,
>      rougher pavement, rarely bigger than 2 lanes.

As a native German I must say this is bullshit. True, usually only two lanes,
but the roads are built to a much higher standard than the U.S. (especially
Colorado!). A German road construction engineer visiting Colorado a few years
ago never stopped marvelling at the shoddy way we build roads. But with a land
area the size of Virginia, it's easier to build good roads. The tighter turns
thing isn't true, either - I suspect it just feels that way at 140 mph.

>WHY?  Because in their good Germanic ways, they follow driving rules to a T.
>NO ONE cruises in the left lane -- it's for passing only.  People SIGNAL
>before changing lanes.

Well, not entirely. The guys that cruise from Frankfurt to Munich at
200 kph sometimes stay in the left lane the whole way, albeit with 
their signal on the whole time. I'd say in general the drivers have
better skills but are also much more aggressive.

>Perhaps the thing that gauls me most on interstates is someone exercising
>their constitutional right to drive at the speed limit in the left lane.

It galls me too, but only on those days when I'm speeding. On some days
I just feel like pissing off excessive speeders :-)

Being as guilty of occasional speeding as the next guy, I must say that
most people drive too fast. Aside from the (apparently debatable) safety
aspects, let's remember that fuel economy goes down with increasing speed.
You may think it's your right to consume all the gasoline on the planet
at will, but you can be right and still be an asshole (that's a generic
"you", btw, nothing personal). That goes for acceleration, too: nothing galls
*me* more than people that have to burn rubber at a light (but also people
that can't go as soon as it changes to green :-)

-- 
Rainer M. Malzbender       'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice.
Fyzzicks, CU Boulder        And when justice is gone, there's always force.
(303)492-1366               And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom.
                                            -Laurie Anderson
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From: judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:17:49 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.


Ed Arnold writes:
>>Before you prattle on about "incompetent school administrators," please
>>answer one question: have you worked with any administrators or
>>teachers in the Boulder Valley Public Schools?  In other words, do you
>>have pointers for those of us who do work with BVPS personnel and are
>>not of the opinion that there is a high level of incompetence in BVPS?

Frank Crary writes:
>Personal experience isn't the only source of information: I don't
>know about BVPS, but Denver public schools spend roughly three times
>as much money (per student) and the average spending of _private_
>schools. They are therefore, offering an inferior education for a 
>far greater price. I think this qualifies as incompetency.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

IT SURE DOES!!  DPS has more administrators per pupil than (I think) any
district in the state, and it certainly doesn't do a thing to help the
quality of education in the district.  All they seem to do is give one
another generous raises.  From what I've read, the administrative costs
per pupil are far lower in most private and parochial schools.  We taxpayers
are NOT getting our money's worth.  Another question I keep asking is
how come the media don't hammer on DPS for this kind of thing?  Things like
the job descriptions and salaries of the administrators should be a matter
of public record and I think people would be amazed if they saw how many of 
these turkeys are earning $75,000 a year and better to do virtually nothing
useful.  Makes me sick...

-- 
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
Judy Bettinger  (judy@evolving.com)
Evolving Systems, Inc.
Denver, Colorado
Newsgroups: co.general
From: tater@teal.csn.org (Bill Bond)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:30:33 GMT


Hey, it's about time we starting some discourse about something that should be
a priority - education. I've heard enough about 4WD's, football, and Amend. 2.
If we don't start taking education seriously in this state and do something for or
our schools, we won't have to worry about any organized boycotts, people won't
want to come here because of crime and unemployment.  We're sure doing a
great job of trashing kids in this state.

Newsgroups: co.general
From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
Subject: Re: Athletics over Academics at CU, surely not (not).
Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:41:54 GMT

murray@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray) writes:
>There's no way in hell that CU could survive without the football team...

Bullshit.  Pure and simple, zero-evidence bullshit.

It would change the character of the school, that's for sure.  But you'd
have a hard time showing it would be a change for the worse.

There are four corners in the situation--{good;bad} schools with {good;
nearly-nonexistent} pseudoprofessional sports programs.  Somebody already
pointed out MIT.

>...Where do you think national
>exposure comes from...

Sports give lots of national exposure, of course...exposure of what?  of
the sports programs, of course!  Nice feedback relationship that has
nothing to do with the school itself.

Look, it's not as if CU needs national exposure to attract more students...
we've already been 'round that one once.

>...It isn't the physics finals or french club.  It is
>sports.  Sports rules because it involves so much money, like it or not.
>And for the record I don't like it, but I accept it.

Fine, give up and roll over.  I say sports doesn't rule anything that has
to do with the real university.  It's an interesting, occasionally enter-
taining sidelight.  Yes, it involves a lot of money...which, as people dig
out the numbers, doesn't go anywhere.  The athletic program is big bucks
for the athletic program.

For my money, the CU Artist's Series, the Colorado Shakespeare Festival, or
the World Affairs Conference are of far more credit to the university, and
do more to enhance its reputation as an academic institution.  If you're
considering someone's credentials, does it really matter that s/he went to
a school whose football team went to the Xyzzy Bowl?  It would say more to
me that a person went to a school that might have played host to Yoyo Ma,
Buckminster Fuller, Perlman, etc.

Bottom line: there's no point putting so much emphasis on sports, because
it really doesn't do anything for the school when you get down to it.  It's
OK; I'm not saying bag it...but sports support sports.
-- 
Dick Dunn    rcd@eklektix.com   -or-   raven!rcd    Boulder, Colorado USA
   ...Mr. Natural says, "Use the right tool for the job."
Newsgroups: co.general
From: era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163139.15358@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>ea> Ed Arnold
>
>ea> The intent of Amendment 7 is to reduce the school system to the profit
>    motive.
>
>  "Reduce"? Why not "enhance"?
>
>ea> What profit is there in high-risk, special-needs kids?
>
>  Who says that educating these kids has to be done at a profit? Why not have
>  a bunch of charitable volunteer teachers to take care of them? In fact, why
>  don't you volunteer to work with them? If you can't walk the walk, don't
>  talk the talk.

I walk the walk every day, Gary.  Since you apparently weren't aware,
one of my kids has special needs; to be specific, she's a quad who
requires hand-feeding.  Most of the families I know and work with in the
Association for Community Living would laugh your comment about
"charity volunteer teachers" out of the house; the real world doesn't
work that way.  The pickings are slim finding volunteers who will spend
a few hours a month with people who have mild MR, let alone caring for
kids in diapers who have seizures.

Care to volunteer?  I could find you work in the ACL or the local schools
in a snap.  If not, care to purchase a color calendar from the ACL to help
the wheels turn?  They're on the bulletin board outside my office, ML11C.

BTW I am intimately familiar with legislation such as IDEA which
provides for education of special-needs kids.  Amendment 7, which was
poorly written (i.e. the loop-holes weren't closed) said virtually
nothing about that issue.  You can't expect a system which allows
private schools to pick off the desirable students, and leaves kids
with problems in the public schools, to succeed.  Every family I
know with a special-needs kid opposed Amendment 7, because it didn't
require the private schools to carry their fair share of "problem"
students.
--
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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Newsgroups: co.general,co.politics
Subject: Re: football priority
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:22:03 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

I would argue that statement. Only males can participate in this rite of
passage. Football excludes half of our youth from participating. 

On the other hand, altho I am female, I was funded by the football team in
college. I was an engineering major with a band scholarship that was funded
by the athletic dept. Talk about confusion!
Newsgroups: co.general
From: sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford)
Subject: a cultural tangent...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:00:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <p+1MrALNBh107h@aescon.com> aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot) writes:
>In <1992Dec18.190233.26755@news.eng.convex.com> cyrus@convex.com (Tait Cyrus) writes:

	On a related thread, a German friend pointed out a cultural difference
	between the Germans and Americans.  You can tell a German to register
	his guns, but don't tell him how fast to drive his car.  Conversely,
	you can tell an American how fast to drive, but you can't tell him
	to register his guns.   


I know this it tangential, and maybe it should go in a "cultural delta"
newsgroup, but Tait got us off on this track now...

I saw "Crocadile Dundee" (however you spell it) in a movie house in Sweden,
and they edited out the violence & left in the sex scenes...


Voila!
stew crawford.
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:31:39 GMT

ea> Ed Arnold

ea> The intent of Amendment 7 is to reduce the school system to the profit
    motive.

  "Reduce"? Why not "enhance"?

ea> What profit is there in high-risk, special-needs kids?

  Who says that educating these kids has to be done at a profit? Why not have
  a bunch of charitable volunteer teachers to take care of them? In fact, why
  don't you volunteer to work with them? If you can't walk the walk, don't
  talk the talk.


--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:45:13 -0700
Organization: AES Consulting, Boulder, Colorado

In <1992Dec18.190233.26755@news.eng.convex.com> cyrus@convex.com (Tait Cyrus) writes:

>Something I forgot to mention was the excellent signage in Germany.  
	
I remember German signs, too.  However, the closer you got to your destination
the fewer the signs pointing there.  If you were that close, you were supposed 
to know where you were!

We also told visitors that Ausfahrt was the largest city in Germany, because there
were some many signs pointing to it. 

On a related thread, a German friend pointed out a cultural difference between 
the Germans and Americans.  You can tell a German to register his guns, but don't 
tell him how fast to drive his car.  Conversely, you can tell an American how fast 
to drive, but you can't tell him to register his guns.   
 

-- 
*  Art Smoot, AES Consulting                 Internet: aesmoot@aescon.com *
*  1177 Wildwood Road               Voice: 303-499-3837, FAX 303-494-3107 *
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