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From: ochikubo@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com (Craig F. Ochikubo)
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:34:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.151201.21095@intelhf.hf.intel.com> dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
>
>As I get older and deeper in debt for recording gear I'm becoming more
>concerned with preserving what's left of my hearing. The occasional concerts
>and live gigs I do leave my ears ringing for days now, and sometimes they
>start ringing spontaneously in a quiet room. I know this is a bad sign and
>it's time to take action. 
>So, what's the story on earplugs these days? I see ads for various hi-tech
>plugs that alledgedly attenuate more flatly than do the old foam-wad types.
>Do they really work? I don't want to pay >$30 for some IUD-looking device
>that hurts and doesn't do any better than the cheap foam.

I use two types ... the cheap foam type when I go to nightclubs and concerts
because they are very cheap and I don't mind losing them.  Nightclubs and 
concerts are so loud that I don't mind the poorer frequency response of
them ... and its nice to be able to stand next to the speakers and feel
your hair jiggle and not feel any ear pain.

The other ones are the those Westech custom molded type ear plugs, they are
either 15 dB or 25 dB down in attenuation (as opposed to 30 dB with the foam
ones).  I use these when I play music and perform on loud gigs.  They were
expensive about $100 or so total.  They have to be fitted and a custom ear
mold has to be made.  So I imagine the price will vary depending on where
you go to get them.

Personally the sound of the custom ones is better, but the foam ones are
lighter and much more comfortable, plus the foam ones depending on how 
tight you set them in your ears, you can vary the amount of attenuation
(this is one thing I don't like about the custom ones, its all or nothing
you can't pull them out a bit on a really soft tune to hear better).

Try the foam ones first (which I feel are the best of all the cheapies) and
if it bugs you then spend the money ... imho.

ochikubo@desperado.etdesg.trw.com
From: latta@scam.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Anyone heard from the MUSENET CD project?
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:21:00
Organization: Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
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In-reply-to: jason@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM's message of Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:10:15 GMT



	Jason Goldman (jason@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM) writes:

> Well, thanks to those who responded.  I got a different address
> which got a quick response from Craig: latta@central.parcplace.com.

	Please note that which address you use for me makes no
difference in my response time. They all go to the same place.


-C


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From: KEROE@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at (Nikolaus Keroe)
Subject: SPARC Sampling SW
Organization: Inst. for General Electrics & Electronics, TU Vienna
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:39:10 GMT

Hi Everybody,

At our Group we have a SUN SPARC 1+ Station with a CD-ROM-player connected 
to it. I am searching for software which is able to sample a piece of music 
of an audio CD (up to 4 min.). Furthermore it would be nice to have simple 
edit functions like cut and paste. Does anybody know, where to search for 
this SW.

  Thanks in advance!

Happy Hacking

Nick

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From: peishuh@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Pei-Shuh F Wang)
Subject: Casio DH-100 MIDI sax
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:49:56 GMT

I still have some of this for sale, DH-100 new in box w/
accessories. I'll sell for $59 (shipping incl.) or
trade for any gear related to music or computer stuff.
I am looking for an EQ or small preamp. Email what
you have got and we can discuss. Thanks.

peishuh@ecn.purdue.edu
(317) 743-1734
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From: xxrich@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Rich Rinehart)
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:06:41 GMT

In article <37958@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> shunter@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dark Star Crashes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.151201.21095@intelhf.hf.intel.com> dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
>>[earplyg query deleted]
>
>Well, about a month ago I order some ER-15 Musicians Earplugs, made
>by Westone Labs. They cost a little over $100 for the pair, because
>they are custom fitted to your ear. An audiologist actually came to

I have been wondering if the new ear-monitoring systems work well to 
reduce the decibels.  Anyone have any experience with them?  I have 
heard they (also) take some time to get used to.
-rich

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From: deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal)
Subject: Re: Earplugs?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:29:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

I have just started using ear plugs when band pratice got so loud that my
ears would still ring a hour later (when I would get home) and that I had
a TKO 65 wide open 4 feet away and could barely hear myself.  I went to 
a local music store and they had 2 brands.  One was ~$10 that looked like
they were made out of plastic with "fins" and the other were ~$3 for a set
of 3 pairs of foam type plugs.  The salesperson stated the opinion that they
both are about the same quality as far as the sound getting through and the
foam ones provided much more protection (maybe too much).

I got the foam ones feeling that if they are real bad I only wasted about $3
and could try others.  I forget the brand but the package had all sorts of
pictures of industral ear protection applications but music was never mentioned
so I think these were designed for jack hammer operators.

Well, they do offer very good sound pressure protection.  I come out of pratice
without any side affects of loud music playing.  Another benefit is that I am
much less tired at the end.  

On the other hand, I really can't hear very well whats going on.  I tend to
hear only the fundimental tones and lose all the overtones.  One time I was
pumping away on the bass thinking it was sounding great.  I then removed 
the ear plugs and played and it was distorting like crazy with lots of high end
that I could not hear with the plugs in.  I now know maximum settings I can
not go over and keep a eye on my compression light, knowing if it starts coming
on that I should turn down a bit.

I am very interested in other's experinces so please post !!

				John
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From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Prices for DAT-Tapes (?)
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:28:40 GMT

These puppies are expensive. 
At a big store like the good guys, you pay around
9.99 for 60
11.49 for 90
12.99 for 120 (sony)
+ tax (in CA).

Do you know of places with better prices ? We get ripped off.
Cheers, Henrik


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From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Karma Farmers Shows
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:17:42 GMT

Hi guys,

I responded to a post for people to get involved with your group all over
the
place to handle networking of acts all over the country.   Well they have 
made some changes to the mail system here at work and I don't know if
your response was sent to me or not.  

As an alternative, please contact me by telephone on (805) 447-4627
(work) or (818) 580-7792 (home).  I want to get involved in your group
and have access to a large number of clubs and promoters here in
Los Angeles, along with being a working musician and music industry
associate.

Myles Wakeham
From: mills+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: 79 Fender P-Bass for sale
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:56:18 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

posted for a friend w/o email access; please reply by phone to him...

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fender 1979 p-bass
mint, new old stock (i.e. purchased last month all-original and unused)
3-tone sunburst, hardshell case

asking $700

enquiries to: (412) 361 6541  (ask for mike)
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From: appleyar@brtph72.bnr.ca (Doug Appleyard P215)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Lyrics to "Brown-Eyed Girl"
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:45:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, RTP, NC

In article <1992Sep14.231537.23531@ncar.ucar.edu> tparker@music.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) writes:
>In article <13557@pogo.wv.tek.com> jd@pogo.wv.tek.com (John "JD" Dalrymple) writes:
>>
>>Anyone got the lyrics to "Brown-Eyed Girl"?  I gigged it with a pickup band
>

brown-eyed girl 
---------------
hey where did we go, days when the rain came
down in a hollow, playin' a new game
laughing and a running naked, skipping and a jumping
in the misty morning fog, ah with our hearts a thumping
it was you, my brown eyed girl
you're my brown eyed girl

and whatever happened, tuesday oh so slow
goin down the old mine with a transistor radio
standin in the sunlight laughing, hide behind a rainbow's wall
slipping and a sliding, yeah, all along the waterfall with you
my brown eyed girl
you my brown eyed girl

do you remember when, we used to sing
sha la la etc.

(break)

so hard to find my way, now that i'm on my own
*** saw you just the other day, my how you have grown
can't remember back that long, sometimes i'm overcome thinkin bout
makin love in the green grass, behind the stadium with you
my brown eyed girl
you my brown eyed girl

do you remember when etc.


*** jimmy buffett replaced this line with
"i thought about it just the other day, my where's the time all gone"
why? why? why?  
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From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:47:07 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO


	jonb@ingres.com writes:
>Welcome to the wonderful world of acoustic instruments; they have this
>weird property where they continue to make noise even when played into a
>tuning machine.  I realize that they're old-fashioned and outmoded and
>nobody uses them any more and hardly any of them are MIDI-compatible,
>but some of us continue to have a strange fascination with 'em.

On the flip side of the same token, however, I've seen acoustic
musicians tune into the mike -- politeness would seem to dictate at
least backing off an axe handle or two.  (HotRize used to refer to
tuning to the strobotuner as "consulting the gods," which garnered
a small chuckle occasionally.)
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    time." - Edward Abbey
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: anyone heard of a YAMAHA YQ-10 (?) sequencer?
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:19:52 GMT
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


It's actually called the QY-10.  Seems like a nice little unit for travel, 
but I don't own one myself.

Greg
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9413 alt.guitar:7837
From: samulski@esrican.uucp (Jungle-John)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Baby Marshall
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: jsamulski@esri.com
Distribution: ca
Organization: ESRI Canada

Marshall Mini Stack for sale:

***
Lead 12 head (solid state) with headphone jack
1 slant cabinet with 10" Celestion
1 straight cabinet sans speaker (died in a horrible head/driver mismatch)
***

This thing sounds quite good (better than the Mosfet 10W thing Marshall
sells today IMHO), is a terrific practice amp and looks very cool.

I toasted the one driver trying to use it with my JCM800 head (fool!), but
the other driver is a-ok.  Replacement Celestion is worth ~ $100.

Have also used the head as a pre-amp with the JCM800 for that waist-deep
gain a-la Hetfield and Co 

Take it away for $100. (moving sale)

Please respond via e-mail to jsamulski@esri.com
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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Show tips & tricks
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:12:25 GMT
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company

In article <pehei34@sgi.sgi.com>, daveh@xtenk.wpd.sgi.com (David Higgen) writes:
>In article <92247.16192332GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, 32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>> 
>> A joke my band uses occasionaly (this might be old but...)
>> 
>> "We're gonna do a little Chinese song here, it's called
>>  Tu Ning"  then tune your guitars.  Its good for a laugh.
>> 
>>                   Doc
>
>Uurrgghhh. Good for a groan, IMHO.
>
>Rule (n): don't make jokes with long green hair on them...    ;-)
>
>There's really no need to inflict tuning noises on an audience: electronic 
>tuners are cheap these days....

Welcome to the wonderful world of acoustic instruments; they have this
weird property where they continue to make noise even when played into a
tuning machine.  I realize that they're old-fashioned and outmoded and
nobody uses them any more and hardly any of them are MIDI-compatible,
but some of us continue to have a strange fascination with 'em.

I agree about the joke, though.  Really, there's no rule that says you
have to be witty while tuning.  Most audiences will put up with it without
walking out or throwing greengrocery or any of that stuff.

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From: deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal)
Subject: Re: mike recommendations sought
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:42:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep11.162456.25334@ncar.ucar.edu>, kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:
|> Some recommendations for relatively inexpensive mikes would be appreciated...
|> 
|> I'm not looking for the best mikes, but rather something that is fairly 
|> decent and has a good cost:performance ratio.  I'll be using them to record 
|> rock band rehearsals & possibly live shows (read "loud, live music").  
|> I'm thinking about either a stereo mike or two mikes in an XY pattern, 
|> direct to 2-track (my home cassette deck).
|> 
|> thanks, -Brian

I do this kind of stuff a fair bit and being the cheep person that I am have
been using using Shure Prolog 24L.  They sell for $59 each from AMS and they
have worked fine for me.  Bit weak in the low end.  I have also used a Shure
12L but these have almost no low end but for some reason seem to do well for
miking guitar amps.

On the same note, has anybody have any experience with the Shure 48LC?  Does
anybody know the freq. response of this unit?

				Thanks,

				John
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From: gds@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: voice training and sinus conditions
Originator: gds@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: in your face!
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:01:08 GMT

I've been working with a voice teacher for the last few months, mostly
on eliminating my voice break.  She thinks one problem I am having
with my progress is that I may have a deviated septum, or some other
sinus condition that has affected my ability to get a lot of resonance
in my head voice.  She recommended that I see an ENT (ear, nose, and
throat) specialist about it.  (In general, she recommends annual ENT
exams for all of her students.)

I was wondering if any other vocalists out there have encountered this
problem, either themselves or in their students, and what they did to
counter this problem.

--gregbo
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Prices for DAT-Tapes (?)
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:20:54 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov's message of 7 Sep 92 04:28:40 GMT

In article <?.715840120@tazdevil> henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges) writes:

   9.99 for 60
   11.49 for 90
   12.99 for 120 (sony)
   + tax (in CA).

   Do you know of places with better prices ? We get ripped off.

No you don't. We do: $20ea for 120min tapes in the UK.

Me, I've started buying from J&R Music in New York (around $9 for 120's).

Nick.
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From: roth@sitter.ips.id.ethz.ch (Martin Roth)
Subject: Re: anyone heard of a YAMAHA YQ-10 (?) sequencer?
Organization: ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:21:37 GMT

doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Doney) asks:
>cheers all!  anyone heard/own/seen a sequencer/drum machine unit made
>by YAMAHA called the YQ-10 ?  buddy of mine was talking about one that
>he picked up, but wasn't sure if YQ-10 was the correct unit ID.  it's
>basically a mini sequencer (memory of 6k notes?) the size of a VHS video
>tape.  also has rhythm patterns that are programmable, and the ability
>to program chord changes over the drum patterns.  has MIDI IN/OUT and 
>1/4" headphone jack. 

Well, you easily can find references under QY-10. Besides what you said,
it has built-in sounds, too. I don't have one and never used one. You 
will find articles about it in keyboard/midi/etc/ mags. It came out 
about the end of last year, if I remember right.
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From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Musician's tape deck info wanted
Organization: NASA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:04:56 GMT

Robert N. Girard writes
> 
> I'm considering the purchase of a musician's tape deck (i.e., with
> built-in half-speed control and pitch adjustment), and am interested
> in feedback from other netters on the Ibanez Rock & Play vs. the
> Marantz PMD201 Music Study Recorder.  The latter has recording
> capability and, I presume, fundamentally better electronics, but is
> it worth the $150 difference?  Any comments, pro or con, on either
> product, or on any other similar product, would be very much appreciated.

  This may not be very practical advice, but you might keep your eye out for a  
used Nakamichi 680 or 680ZX series cassette deck.  These decks were sold as  
recently as 10 years ago for well over $1000, and have both of the features you  
want.  (They are also _fabulous_ machines!)  I bought one second-hand for $200  
about a year ago, and have been very happy with it.

Regards,

Steve
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From: djohna@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (John Ackerman 3568)
Subject: Re: vocal mic advice
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:56:16 GMT

smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
: dhi00@ccc.amdahl.com (mofo ) writes:
: 
: >i'm looking for a good vocal mike for under $100.  any info?
: 
: Shure SM57 or SM58 can be had for under $100. There are lots of other brands
: like Beyer, Audio Technica, AKG, etc... Don't know any prices of those though.
: -- 
: Muff
*********************************

  I'm with the Muffer on this one 57 and 58's are nearly bulletproof and
  pretty readily available anywhere musicians are bought and sold.

  Johnny A.
From: gavin@praxis.co.uk (Gavin Finnie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Bird Dog Lyric Help
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:13:56 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Bath, U.K.

pws@col.hp.com writes:

>	HEY BIRDDOG GET AWAY FROM MY QUAIL
>	HEY BIRDDOG YOU'RE ON WRONG TRAIL
>	BIRDDOG, YOU BETTER LEAVE MY LOVIN' CUP ALONE.
                                           =====

Surely this should be DOVE, not CUP ???
That's how I've always heard it, anyhow.

Gavin Finnie                             email:  gavin@praxis.co.uk
Praxis Systems plc                                       
20 Manvers Street                        phone: +44-225-444700
Bath BA1 1PX, England                    fax:   +44-225-465205
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Cheap 12" speakers
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:51:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

I've got a pair of PA columns that I bought for way-cheap.  I want to
sell them (way-cheap), but won't get much unless I replace the super
cheap-o 12" speakers that I blew (2 of them).  Does anybody wanna get
rid of two such beasts?  If I can make these columns complete, I can
get rid of them and buy some real bins 'n' horns.

Thanks

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and willing to take donations!)
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