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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: SF Book Stores?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:30:31 EST

In article <1992Nov10.165447.19143@usl.edu>
erekosse@usl.edu (Erekosse, Magelord of Amber Keep) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Nov2.204210.6345@socs.uts.edu.au> morgan@socs.uts.EDU.AU (David Morgan) writes:
>>For science fiction/fantasy fans there is the Galaxy Bookshop here in Sydney,
>>Minotaur in Melbourne and Forbidden Planet in London.  Can someone tell me
>>what the names and addresses of similar bookshops are in: LA, New York,
>>Washington and/or New Orleans.
>
>In NYC, there are two Forbidden Planet locations.  If I remember correctly,
>one is fairly close to the village: on Broadway and somewhere around 7th.  The
>second is farther uptown, I think its somewhere up in the 50's.  57th strikes
>a responsive note for some reason, but don't hold me to it.  I'm also pretty
>sure it's east of Park.  It's been a few months since I've been there.
>
   NYC:
   While I don't have the address of Forbidden Planet (Greenwich Village),
I do have the address for Strand's Used bookstore which is across the
street.  (828 Broadway at 12th).  You may want to check out Strand's as well,
I was there last week, and I found reviewers' hardbacks on sale (at 50% off
cover price).  There was half a dozen copies of Orson Scott Card's _Lost Boys_,
Joe Haldeman's _Worlds and Time Enough_, Robert Silverberg's Collected Stories,
Jack Williamson's _Beachhead_, Dan Simmon's _Hollow Man_, James Hogan's
_Multiplex Man_, and so on.  The only problem is they are not all that well
organized.  You need to look through the fiction tables at the first floor,
reviewers' copies section at the basement,     the counters and trade paperback
tables at the basement, and the SF/F section at the back of the first floor.
   There is also Science Fiction Bookstore on 163 Bleecker Street.  The
entrance is shared with "Village Comics", and door is easy to miss.  The
store is located on the second floor of a building.  As far as floor space
goes, Forbidden Planet is larger, but I think SFBS has (usually) a better
selection.
 
   For Washington DC, there used to be a SF bookstore called "Moonstone
Bookcellars" on Pennsylvania Ave. near Tower Records.  The last time I was
in DC a year ago, the store was no longer there.  Does anyone know if they
moved, or if they went out of business?  They had good selections of
somewhat old paperbacks (e.g. collected letters of John W. Campbell)
 
    Junsok Yang
From: J_CAUSEY@ccnode.colorado.EDU (Frederick the Great)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: books with swords
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:31:56 GMT


	Try _The Phoenix Guards_ by Steven Brust.  Also, any of Brust's
_Vlad Taltos_ books have fairly detailed fencing.

	Jim Causey
	j_causey@ccnode.colorado.edu
From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Plot Identification? (Minor Harry Turtledove Spoilers)
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:20:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1duvs6INNlju
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	Another silly thing about "The Road not Taken" is that
every human character in the short is named after a baseball player,
including the women.
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From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland)
Subject: Stephen Brust's best
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct31.171309.12717@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
>And as some have mentioned, you should try reading some of the Vlad Taltos 
>books.  I think these books represent his best writing, so don't decide 
>from one book that you don't like the author.

I'd be interested to hear how many people feel that the Vlad Taltos
books represent Brust's best.  I'd say that "To Reign in Hell" is his
best by quite a long shot.
-- 
Ian Sutherland
ian@eecs.nwu.edu

Sans Peur
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: C.J.Cherryh: The Company Wars
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 09:45:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.091406.6587@maths.tcd.ie> jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes:
>
>	The following is the first of several extracts from an article
>by C.J.Cherryh included with the board game "The Company War" put out
>by Mayfair Games many years ago. If you are interested in the rest of
>the article as well as discussions on C.J.Cherryh's writing in general
>you can suscribe to the C.J.Cherryh mailing list by sending mail to
>jaymin@maths.tcd.ie requesting to be subscribed...

I have found out from the poster that she did not ask the permission of
the author (or publisher) to post this material, or the other material
she wants to send you.  She's another of those net.neos with the fairly
standard misunderstandings of copyright.  (She quoted the standard
misconceptions to me, "I didn't charge anybody", "The author won't mind", along
with "it's out of print." and claimed that "you americans" [I'm not one in
the coloquial sense] don't know these basic copyright facts.  Where do we get
these people?)

So everybody should delete this article out of respect for Cherry(h).
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Who Was "The Fisher King"?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:24:12 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Something that's been nagging at the back of my mind for while now:  
Briefly, what is the "Fisher King" myth?  I read Powers' "Drawing Of 
Of The Dark", and I have vague recollections of the Fisher King from 
European mythology, but nothing concrete.  Can somebody fill the gap 
in my knowledge, please?
I should add, to anyone unsure about trying DOD, that it didn't in any
way spoil my enjoyment of the book.

Cheers,

   Bill Bennett                           JANET: warda@uk.ac.oxford.vax    
   CRC Growth Factors Research Group   Internet: warda%vax.oxford.ac.uk
From: bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Stephen Brust's best
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:38:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.005012.12808@eecs.nwu.edu>, ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes:
> In article <1992Oct31.171309.12717@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
>>And as some have mentioned, you should try reading some of the Vlad Taltos 
>>books.  I think these books represent his best writing, so don't decide 
>>from one book that you don't like the author.
> 
> I'd be interested to hear how many people feel that the Vlad Taltos
> books represent Brust's best.  I'd say that "To Reign in Hell" is his
> best by quite a long shot.
> -- 
> Ian Sutherland
> ian@eecs.nwu.edu
> 
> Sans Peur
   I second this.  I like the Taltos series but I think "To Reign in Hell"
is his best book.

			Shane L. Bell
			bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:10:03 EST

In article <1689CBA64.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
 
>
>For books about humans that perform computer-like functions, try Joan D.
>Vinge's _Snow Queen_ and _Summer Queen_.  She writes about sibyls, people who
>have contracted an artificially-created virus that restructures their brains
>and turns them, essentially, into data retrievers.  Whenever they say, "Input"
>and someone asks them a question, they receive the answer via FTL transmission
>from a central computer.
>
>They're pretty good books.  I enjoyed them.
>
>
      The _Snow Queen_ and _Summer Queen_ are actually the first and third
books of a trilogy. The second book is _The World's End_ (I think).  Compared
to the monster length of the two books, it was actually a very thin one.
As far as the story goes;      very good ideas and backgrounds, but as
far as the plot and characterizations were concerned, pure soap opera.
(Of course IMHO)
          Junsok Yang
>
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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Ravenscar Nights FTP site information
Summary: help info
Keywords: help for FTP site
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:48:22 GMT



This is your friendly neighborhood Vampyre archivist.
I am enclosing the info on the FTP site for you.

It is located at:

ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca

to access it one types 

    ftp ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca

If one is using the internet, some bitnet accounts allow one to access this.
otherwise there are bitnet servers for FTP, someone with more information,
please explain how these are used.

Once one has connected it asks you to log in- please use "anonymous" to
log in, not "guest" or your own userid, it will then ask for your address
as a password, this information is kept confidential- my boss just requests
it so he can keep  track of usage.

Then, you are in the root directory of the machine, at the moment there is 
naught else available at this site, though apparently that will shortly
change.

Meanwhile, the following is the routine to reach the section with the files:
cd pub
cd local
cd text
cd vampyres

Underneath this directory are a number of other directories:

Digests   Fluff   World   pics

there is also one file here: Readme

Under Digests can be found old digests of the list from Jae, who will
hopefully soon be uploadingn the full archives to here.

Under Fluff is the old Fluff Archives. One copy of the archives.txt is
available in the next directory.  Then all files are sorted into
alphabetical subdirectories.

Under World:

SKT    Storylines    Digests    volumes

There will soon be a Readme file added here, I haven't gotten around to that 
yet.

The SKT directory is currently just a bunch of SKT's, eventually I hope to sort
these into 3 directories: Mortals, places, Immortals 
these will be self explanatory- files here are stored as:
 
sktname.authorname

Storylines: all the stories with authors name, broken down into sections
are here.  This is to make it possible for one storyline to be followed at a
time. These are title.#.author

Digests: these are the logs that Morgan is sending me each few days
of the discussions on the list.

Volumes are the stories as they went out to the rest of the Vampyres list.
These will shortly be removed once I have the storylines section completed.
I will place in that section a file with a liting of what was in each issue
of Ravenscar Nights.

I hope this is helpful to you, please feel free to enjoy the archives at
your leisure.

Cat
-- 
AussieVamp 
AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: Re: Who Was "The Fisher King"?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:24:09 GMT


Isn't the spear that was used to poke at christ on the cross somehow
involved in this?

Spoilers for Paper Grail

I just finished The Paper Grail, and I'm trying to figure out the
significance of the cane.  I'm guessing that Howard became the new Fisher
King.  The cane is the haft of the spear used, and the "grail" was used to
catch some of the blood?

Or am I totally off base here?
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: "The Chieftan", or John Norman Returns
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:28:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bx7pF3.36v2@xcluud.sccsi.com> dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Leikam) writes:
> 
>   Yet, to the surprise of many, he seems to have ceased publication 
> several years back. We used to be able to rely on these things: every 
> year we'd have to pay income taxes, and we'd get a new Gor novel. The 
> Gor novels stopped. Maybe there's hope for the taxes?

BTW, according to Norman at MagiCon, the Gor novels stopped because when
Betsy Wollheim took over at DAW, she stopped buying them.  I have also heard
that she and others encouraged other publishers not to buy them either (the
"others" part I have no doubt about) and so Norman couldn't sell any more Gor
novels.

> [women as natural slaves]
>   Ok, well, a crank idea, but maybe even one worth a little careful 
> exploration by a thoughtful writer. Provocative, at least. Might make 
> you think twice. Norman is not a thoughtful writer, and he ham-handedly 
> bashes you over the head with the notion, over and over, for more than 
> half of the book's wordage.  He did this before, with the Gor series, to 
> the tune of some 14 or 15 novels.

25, actually.

>   In the end, Norman is so implausible and pathetic about this, I can't 
> imagine anyone taking it seriously enough to be offended. Even the most 
> rabid of feminists are, I daresay, going to just walk away, giggling, 
> from this one.

I have to say that my observation of rabid feminists is that they have no
sense of humor and never giggle.

>   The book is dedicated to "those who disapprove of blacklisting." 
> There's already a second novel in the series, which I spotted in the 
> bookstore, dedicated to those who disapprove of censorship.
> 
>   Maybe this is a slap at Daw, who published the Gor crap, inasmuch as 
> this one appears under the Questar label. If that's so, perhaps Norman 
> confuses censorship with simple good judgment. Daw was overly lenient, 
> if anything -- the last 10 or so Gor novels were pure drivel.

See comments above.  Re blacklisting and censorship: Norman is free to buy
a press and print whatever he wants.  DAW published him for years, not for
noble free-speech reasons, but because his books brought in enough to
subsidize their forays into newer writers.  DAW decided to stop publishing
him for literary reasons as much as anything else (IMHO)--while one can
defend many controversial books as being "art," Norman's opi do not fall
into this category.  Most of the publishers who refuse to publish him seem
to be under the charge of women editors; this is probably not entirely a
coincidence.  If someone wrote a series in which Jews were natural slaves,
how successful would it be with Jewish editors?

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"God does not play dice with the universe."  --Alfred Einstein
"Not only does God play dice with the universe, but sometimes
        He throws them where they cannot be seen."  --Stephen Hawking
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From: lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com (wooga wooga wooga)
Subject: Re: John Norman movie(was Re:Sharon Green)
Reply-To: lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com 
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:43:35 GMT

In article <2B029C55@ssd0.laafb.af.mil>, KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:
~
~WHAT Norman movie?  SURELY there was NEVER a Gor Movie?!?!?!
~

	Actually, I think there were 2 Gor movies.


--

   *A* 


Andy Lee
lee@n2itiv.enet.dec.com   or   ...!decwrl!n2itiv.enet.dec.com!lee
lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com    or   ...!decwrl!torrid.ogo.dec.com!lee
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From: jasonr@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jason F Ralph)
Subject: Re: Who is Fury? (re Jack the Bodiless)
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:58:11 GMT

moflngan@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
: 
: Ok
: I just finished Jack the Bodiless and loved every page.... it seriously
: interrupted my work schedule for a while because I couldn't put it
: down. The identity of hydra was logical when I thought about it, but,
: who is Fury? I don't remember Fury from the Saga of the Exiles
: so I'm assuming the identity is a metter of conjecture. Has anybody got 
: any ideas.
: Given that Davy McGregor is seen as the great enemy it would seem almost
: logical that Fury should be a Remillard, presumably with some connection to
: Victor. But who?

Well, there has been some debate over the identity of Fury... though I
missed most of it myself. I shall however try to give you a few ideas...

1. Some part of Victor which managed to infiltrate part of a Remillard
mind when they gathered to see Victor.
1a. Denis was 'corrupted': he led the metaconcert against Victor
                         : he knew where and when Jack was to be born 
                           and made his attack
                         : he was at the finishing line when Hydra
                           attacked Marc
                         : he was at the dinner party and new/coerced
                           Davy's wife to the door for Hydra to attack
1b. Paul was 'corrupted': again he was at the dinner party (from memory)
                        : he had a grudge against Davy
                        : he had little or no contact with either Jack
                          or Marc (who may have been able to spot Fury)

2. Marc and companions survived from Exile to become the Lylmik. It is
possible that Felice/Culluket may also have survived from Exile as Fury.
Certainly an interesting thought. Fury has some of the abilities of a
Lylmik but has its own limitations, maybe due to the absence of advanced
training, which was available to Marc et al. Felice has a grudge against
the McGregor's (Aiken Drum was of that stock).

There are of course arguments against all of these, and other
suggestions, but to list them here would spoil a good argument!

Apologies to anyone not acknowledged properly but my memory for names is
realy bad.

E.E. 'Doc' Splot.
From: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Sharon Green
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ssd0.2AF9536B

Is Sharon Green a real person, or is she just John Norman (Perpetrators of 
Gor) under another pseudonym?  They seem to have VERY similar ideas about the 
purpose of women in society (as slaves, rape victims, bondage and discipline 
subjects, and LOVING it).

If Sharon Green IS a real person, is she really a woman?

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@space.laafb.af.mil
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Anthony:  Mercycle
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:08:07 GMT

I spotted Piers Anthony's "Mercycle" in a used book store and (don't ask
me why) let my curiosity get the better of me.  I should have read the
author's note first.  It turns out to be one of the books Anthony was
unable to sell back when he had to sell a book on its own merits.  Anthony's
description of the improvements he made in the manuscript makes it clear
that the original was actually much worse.)

The cover art -- a youth or young man on a bicycle, underwater, looking
at a naked mermaid swimming by -- is true to the story.  It's meant to
be science fiction, btw, not fantasy:  The mermaid represents the first
step towards adapting people to live on Jupiter.  Really.  (Yes, this
is supposed to be taking place in the twentieth century.)  There's not
much point in going into detail about the story, not because it would be a
spoiler -- we're told 80% of the secret fairly early, and the other 20% has
little or no bearing on the story -- but because this is another Anthony
a-small-group-of-people-travelling-together-experience-personal-growth
story, and the setup is irrelevant.

This book stands as further evidence that editors really do serve a
function.  (Not that this comes as a surprise.  Whenever a name author
reissues a book with the n-thousand previously cut words restored,
it's a good bet that they were cut for a reason.  In this case n 
represented the entire book, and the reason was good.)

Why am I posting this?  Isn't finding fault with a Piers Anthony novel
breaking down an unlocked door?  Well, not really.  The usual problem
with a Piers Anthony novel (aside from the fact that people sometimes
forget that it's targetted at children) is that it's so similar to ten
previous novels.  For some people that's a plus.  Even those people 
are advised to steer clear of this travesty.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker

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From: cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman)
Subject: Re: The Wheel of Time Series (spoilers)
Keywords: Spoilers
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:23:12 GMT

Spoilers!


In article <1992Nov11.210117.5326@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>mlebrun@bss2.umd.edu (Mike Lebrun):
>>First, Rand and Galad are brothers.  All of the evidence is available, but 
>>scattered through the first four books.  
>
>No.  Rand is Elayne's and Gawyn's cousin on the mother's side:  Morgase
>was closest to the throne when Rand's mother disappeared without leaving
>a daughter.  Galad shares Elayne's and Gawyn's *father*, who is not
>presumed to be closely related to Tigraine.
First, a question:  where is the relation between Morgase and Tigraine
stated?  I have been trying to find this, and failing.

Second -- Galad's father, Taringil Damodred, was Tigraine's first
husband.  Thus Galad and Rand are half-brothers.
>
>>If this is true, then Rand and Morainne are blood relatives.  
>
>See above.  Morrainne and Elayne are Damodreds; Rand isn't.
Rand is related to Morraine.  To be precise, Morraine is his
aunt!!!  Thus he is also related to the late, unlamented King
Laman,  (who is Morraine's uncle), and also somehow related to
Barthanes, ex-lord of house Damordred.  Lovely family, right?
(One sees why Morraine cut her connection with the house.)

Does anyone know the relationship of Barthanes to Taringal and/or
Lamon?
Also, what is the relationship between Taringal and Lamon?
Taringal is half-brother to Lamon's niece -- which says precisely
nothing: given that relationship, he could be anything from a son
to no blood relationship at all.

>
>>I know who Luc is, but I cannot seem to unearth the identity of Isam.  Any 
>>help out there?
>
>In the first book, when we learn Lan's history, we are told that the
>traitress who brought down his kingdom fled with her young son Isam.
>Other evidence makes it clear that Lord Luc is some combination of
>Luc and Isam -- probably with a Forsaken thrown in.
The Luc--Isam connection is undeniable, but why a Forsaken?
It seems at leas as likely to me that he is one of (the first(?) 
of the new Dreadlords.
>
>-----
>Dani Zweig
>dani@netcom.com
>
>   Aphorism is better than none.


-- 
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From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Spider Robinson's latest (possible spoiler)
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:41:42 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1df064INN1rk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>Anyone else have any knowledge of his future writing plans,
>or comments on his stuff?


















According to the Mid-December issue of Analog, the January issue will
carry a new story by Spider Robinson focusing on some of the characters
from the Callahan's series. My guess is that it's a story set at Mary's
Place, the bar that Jake set up.
-- 
Michael A. Burstein
Physics Department, Boston University         mab@buphy.bu.edu
590 Commonwealth Ave.                         (617) 353-9437 (o)
Boston, MA 02215                              (617) 735-9433 (h)