HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa)
Subject: Invisible Folder "Move&Rename", what is it?
Reply-To: motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:09:02 GMT

Several of my tools are seeing a folder called
"Move&Rename" that is invisible on the desktop of
one of my two hard drives..

Does anyone know why it is there and/or what it 
does?  Thanks, John
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: clarkma@spot.Colorado.EDU (CLARK MARK ALAN)
Subject: Re: PowerOrgasm [help needed]
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:17:21 GMT

 According to MacUser it is available at their ZiffNet/Mac archive.

see page 287 of the September '92 issue.
From: wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Bad F-line instruction?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:48:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer


One other suggestion:  Use the Heap Check facility in TMON to monitor the
state of the System Heap.  It slows things down terribly, but given the
fact that your problems doen't seem to be occurring in one specific
application I suspect that the system heap is getting trashed.

-tony

>>ususal disclaimer<<
From: ebrown@bud_light.kodak.com (Eric Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Help? Serial Mac to unix file-transfer/print
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: ebrown@tap.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company


Hi, 

I have a Mac SE and a NeXT machine with a PostScript laser printer. 
Not wanting to buy ethernet for the mac, I was wondering if there 
was an inexpensive, automated, straight forward way to transfer
files to my NeXT and/or print from the mac to the NeXT printer.

I was looking for something better than manually going into a 
tele-comunications package on the mac all the time. I do have
enough skills to write a daemon that will sit and listen on the
NeXT serial port.

Please reply via email: ebrown@bud_light.kodak.com

Thanks in advance.
Eric Brown
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From: Jeff Kain <jkain@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Unsolvable problem
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:35:25 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Liam Breck writes:

> Re: printing...  Did you install System 7 Tuner 1.1.1?  It has an
> important bug fix and faster print drivers.

I did install the TuneUp 1.1.1. I also removed TrueType. But... they
do almost 100% of the printing in draft mode!!

> Re: the slow CX...  Hmm, sounds like a software problem, probably the
> the database upgrade runs more slowly than the earlier version.  The
> new network software (and/or System 7?) may be making it worse.
> Alternatively, the trouble may be the network sw (and 7?) and the db
> upgrade may be making it worse.  No answers for you, but have you
> answered all these questions...?

The database was timed in our office using the offending CX vs. a
known-working LC. The CX was always about 5% faster in loading than
the LC, as I would expect.  I don't think the problem is due to System
7, since I tried booting the CX with a System 6 floppy, and it was
still slow, yet the SE in its place, using the same network,
connectors, etc.., was fast!

> What new features and problems does the database upgrade introduce?
> Is it dependent on 7?  Are you sure it's as fast under 7 as 6 in
> single-user?  How about multi-user?  (Try some benchmarking in your
> office.)  Have you talked to the db developer's tech support folks?

I am the developer's tech support folks!! :)  (I'm head of the dept.,
and I've never had anything quite so mytifying!).  The upgrade only
adds features relating to form printing and other non-performance
features. It's 32-bit clean, and our recommended configuration is now
System 7, since we have done extensive testing and performance
measurements (much better performance than TOPS).

> Why did you pull TOPS?  Is it not compatible with 7?  Are they using
> Appletalk now?  Which is faster under 6?  Under 7?  (More benchmarking
> in your office.)

TOPS is a headache compared with System 7. It also requires a $$
upgrade, whereas System 7 networking is free.

> If the db is just as fast under 7 and Appletalk is just as fast as
> TOPS, then it may be that the new db software requires much higher
> network throughput (ethernet) to run acceptably.  To find out, measure
> and compare the network loads created by the old and new setups.  (I
> know of tools to do this exist for ethernet, not sure about TOPS or
> Localtalk and twisted pair.) If the new setup has a much heavier load,
> you need faster network hardware.

Loads are identical. The questions is, why does the SE load across the
network in 45 seconds, while the CX loads in about 5minutes, using
identical network hardware;  and... why does the CX function perfectly
when removed from this office?  UGGGGHH!!!

Thanks for answering... I hope this is as mystifying to all the other
reads as it is to me! :)

Jeff

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From: add@is.rice.edu (Arthur Darren Dunham)
Subject: Re: Appleshare and sys7?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:15:52 GMT

In article <14836@claris.com> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.212348.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, aslt@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
....
>> Our question is: if we buy Appleshare and install it on our 
>> network, what will it give us over and above what 
>> we already have with System 7?
>
>AppleShare uses a dedicated server, whereas system-7 file
>sharing can use anyone's computer as a server.
>........

Actually, AS 3.0 running under System 7.0 (only) is no longer dedicated.
It even has a bar to assign priorities between the server and the rest of
the mac.  I'm running it right now on my IIci with the bar at 50%.


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Any resemblance between real opinions and my post is coincidental
From: Laurie Carlson <honoluluweek@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:54 PDT
Subject: Re: infinitely looping rebuild of deskt
Nf-ID: #R:1456ekINNeoo@darkstar.ucsc.edu:-1804227223:cdp:1364900040:000:87
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!honoluluweek    Jul 24 16:54:00 1992


Is the HD a third-party drive? sounds like the driver isn't 7.0-friendly.

alohas
mats
From: williams9027@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Suitcase II & System 6.0.8
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:57:32 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

We are trying to implement Suitcase II with system 6.0.8.

According to the manual, Suitcase can be used to store fonts, DA's, sounds, and
function keys.  Is there anyway to store the printer drivers, supporting desk
accessory documents (such as MACTCP, General, Background, etc), and other stuff
on the network and have Suitcase access it??

thanks.

patty williams
williams9027@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler or More Disk Space: which to buy?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:12:49 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

florianb@chip.tek.com (4516) writes:

>Autodoubler seems to have a problem when used with Word 5.0. In View
>Page Layout mode, the screen keeps refreshing the Word document window.
>It's VERY annoying.

    This is a new one on me. I use Word 5 on a PowerBook 170 4/40 all
the time with AutoDoubler, and have yet to notice this kind of problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: johnwl@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: NEW VIRUS ???  File copy erros 41 etc. ...
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:22:32 GMT

  I have been having a VERY frustrating time during file copies in the last
few days and wonder if there is a new strain of a desktop-linked virus at
our site.
  My machine: IIcx 8/80 with System 7.01 (tuned), INITS include Quickeys 2.12
              Norton's Suite of stuff, Behierarchic, AfterDark and AppSwitcher.
  The scenario is this:
  I erase a floppy disc - its desktop reads 1K in use, 779 free. I then try to
copy a simply 50K PICT file from my hard drive to the floppy. One of two things
happens; either the file takes about THREE minutes to copy and once there the
file is 50K and the desktop is 92K (!!)  -OR- the Finder bombs with an error
number 41.  This happens with a variety of files.  I have tried Disinfectant
2.9 (it shows nothing), rebuilt the desktops of all discs I use, re-installed
the System software etc. etc.
  When I look at the HUGE desktop with Norton I see the usual "ERIK" text, then 
a couple of words that say Translation, then a few patterns of A's and *'s.
Nothing that looks predictable or virus-like.
  So, what gives ??  Do I have a hardware problem ? (this has also begun
happening on a friend's MacPlus too !) OR, is there a NEW virus out there ??
  Anyone seen this ?!?  I am going nuts trying to figure this out !!!!

                              thanks for ANY help !            Jack

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: COMMAND LINE INTERFACE for Macy
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Jul21.141341.77@physc1.byu.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:37:12 GMT

.byu.edu> goblec@physc1.byu.edu writes:

   MPW does that right now.  Last time I looked at ftp.apple.com they had 3.0
   of the shell alone.  It should do these things for you.  The commands are
   not given though.  I found a book on MPW and photocopied some sheets.
   But the shell uses so much memory that I don't think I'd use it.  Plus
   it doesn't have the features I'd want in a shell.  I'd prefer if someone
   wrote a C Shell with all the standard utilities.  ie. grep, awk, etc. plus
   hooks for apple events and mac compressors.

People, listen up !

A SHELL is a SHELL. It's used to run tools/utilities; It can
probably do NOTHING on it's own. That's the way it's under
UNIX too. The grep, awk, etc tools have been ported to MPW, but
you will have to install them first before the sehell can run
them, just as under UNIX.

-- 
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### You have the Easy Access virus. This virus may cause strange sounds.
### You have the 24-bit virus. This virus eats system memory like CRAZY.
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Truetype in System 7?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:11:06 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <8ePFR7G00WBKI0o99g@andrew.cmu.edu> (comp.sys.mac.system), ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donpaul C. Stephens) writes:
> Apple: Please remove TT from System software asap!
> 
> it is slow.  It eats code.  Adobe Type 1 is better, and ATM will
> generate all the bitmaps you need i've seen and been told.  ATM is
> supposed to be part of System 7.1.  Leave TT alone  get Type 1 compat
> fonts.  I'm sure Apple will supply their standard set.

Sure ATM will be in an upcoming system, but that doesn't mean that
Apple has stopped working on TrueType.

There are significant enhancements to TrueType fonts coming with QuickDraw/GX.
Something like Adobe multi-master fonts, but an unlimited number of
axissessesses(???sorry).  (I believe that QuickDraw/GX will support
Adobe MultiMaster fonts too).  The new font cababilities are way cool!

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From: chet@Advansoft.COM (chet wood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Someone should start a recall drive against Gov. Wilson
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:02:16 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

Is there any talk of recalling the governor? Is there time to get it
on the November ballot?

While I don't pretend to understand all the subtleties of the budget
crisis, a governor who states publically that he would rather drive
his state into chaos rather than compromise on the budget is guilty of
gross misconduct. A governor's main job is to maintain order.

He is evidently pursuing this tactic to make the voters angry, as I
am--- angry enough that many of them will vote for his "welfare
reform" "initiative" that will give him almost dictatorial
budget-making powers at the expense of the legislature. 

I think we angry voters should be able to have another alternative.
Perhaps we could have an initiative to put the onus on the governor to
submit an acceptable budget by a certain date, with the penalty being
loss of his job.

Otherwise, just recall the turkey right now. 

the thing that makes me _really_ mad is that the fight is apparently
of whether to just _murder_ education, as the legislature wants, or to
_grossly_murder_ it.

This is simply impossible to understand. Education has been on the
defensive in California since Reagan was elected governor. When are
Californians going to wake up and realize that the economic well-being
of their state depends on having educated citizens. Californians must
have a death wish. Looks like they're getting their wish.

sheesh. 

(this is all my opinion, not my employers, of course)

chet.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: lentz@reber.astro.nwu.edu (Robert A. Lentz)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 : What is going to be in it?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:23:27 GMT

In article <7893@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> sho@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) writes:
>In article <nerm-200792103739@90.10.20.86> nerm@apple.com (Dean Yu) writes:
>>  This is a pretty liberal paraphrase.  OCE, GX, and AppleScript have
>>nothing
>>to do with 7.1, aside from the fact that they all use 7.1 as the base
>>system.
>>Other than that, they're all seperate products.
>
>Let me get this straight.  We're going to have to *pay* for
>these?  OCE I can sort of understand.  Not everyone does
>mail.  AppleScript, I can almost understand.  Not everyone
>needs scripting.  Quickdraw GX I cannot understand.  Why
>would Apple create a new imaging model and then guarantee
>its lack of acceptance by forcing users to pay for it?  
>
>When Apple first announced that it would be asking users to
>pay for certain enhancements to the system software, I
>was worried that this would lead to stagnation as users
>refused to shell out.  Now, my fears have doubled.

I doubt that you will get any official answer on this because I doubt that
it has been officially decided.

Here is my guess/interpretation of what might happen:

	Separate products does not necessarily mean commercial, thoug
	it can. Take the current example of QuickTime: it has not been
	incorporated into the System (and is not planned to be). It is
	available as a separate product as either just the basics for
	free (such as on ftp.apple.com) or with the QuickTime Starter
	Kit which serves a different purpose and offers a bit more.

	I can see GX and AppleScript being offered in a basic form
	as a separate, free product and as an enhanced commercial form
	(for example with some of the new mastered fonts with GX, or
	and AppleScript debugger with AppleScript.) OCE, well, I can
	sort of see it as a separate product, but that offers problems
	for what you do when you want/need to include it in the system
	offering (though if the rumors are right of how it is a resource
	hog, many people will not be too interested at first...)

Now, it would be really nice if the Apple DOS package (I cannot currently
remember its name) were rolled into the system, especially since that is a
big advertising point of theirs (or at least used to be.)

And I do wonder about the ATM code, I could have sworn that was promised
for 7.1, or maybe they will just bundle ATM with that...

Just speculating out loud.

-Robert Lentz
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sjd@frieda.mitre.org (Stephen J. Darragh)
Subject: Re: Appleshare and sys7?
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.211552.22051@rice.edu> add@is.rice.edu (Arthur Darren Dunham) writes:
>In article <14836@claris.com> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.212348.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, aslt@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>....
>>> Our question is: if we buy Appleshare and install it on our 
>>> network, what will it give us over and above what 
>>> we already have with System 7?
>>
>>AppleShare uses a dedicated server, whereas system-7 file
>>sharing can use anyone's computer as a server.
>>........
>
>Actually, AS 3.0 running under System 7.0 (only) is no longer dedicated.
>It even has a bar to assign priorities between the server and the rest of
>the mac.  I'm running it right now on my IIci with the bar at 50%.
>
>

You can get a huge performance gain if you have a lot of users
(I think Apple recommends 10 concurrent users max for personal file sharing).

You can get the reports on disk space usage, create welcome messages, limit concurrent
application launching, Printserver software is now included, improved security and more!
You can start using programs like Meeting Maker, KeyServer, and more 
(with the sole exception of QuickMail 2.5.1 or below because it can't run under AS 3.0)

Of course the big drawback is bucks!!!  We also use a ci and it is working great!
We also got a 1.2GByte disk drive and may have to expand this to even more.
We keep ours dedicated 100% to serving because so many people depend on it.

Suggestion:

	Try personal file sharing, and be prepared to spend some money if you
outgrow it.  Depending on how many users you have, you could split the load by
having more than one machine turn on file sharing.

Good luck!
-Steve
From: suwa@skunk.nri.co.jp (Shigeo Suwa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ** Can I use KanjiTalk 6.0.2 on IIci ? **
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:17:08 GMT
Organization: Nomura Research Institute, Ltd.

In article <9220913.9561@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera) writes:
>I tried to install KJ6.0.2 on IIci but always failed, could not boot the
>disk.

IIci needs Kanji Talk 6.0.4 or later.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu (Wade Williams)
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:38:42 GMT

Folks, the System-7-Startup-disk fiasco has got to stop!

We use a program called RevRdist to manage the hard drives in our labs. 
Occassionally, we have to start up off of a floppy to run RevRdist to rebuild
our hard drive.  We're getting some Quadras in, so all of our labs will be
going to System 7.

Because the Quadras will not run anything but System 7, that means will have to
startup with a System 7 disk to run RevRdist.  RevRdist requires the following
items:
1)  The Finder
2)  The Chooser
3)  AppleShare

RevRdist is a 73K application.  Guess what folks?  You can't fit a 73K
application on a minimal System 7 startup disk if you put the Chooser and
Appleshare on there too.

Because the RevRdist preferences must be copied onto the hard disk, you have to
have the Finder.  And because RevRdist can't run until those preferences are
copied, you can't set it up as the startup application.

Apple's official response on this matter is to "switch disks."  Do you have any
idea how many disk swaps it would take to finish a run of RevRdist?  What if I
have a whole lab full of computers to rebuild?  That answer is unacceptable,
plain and simple.

Apple has giving us a wonderful operating system with System 7.  But they must
solve this startup disk problem immediately!  There would be no need for
complaints if all machines could startup with a System 6 disk, but because some
machines require System 7, this problem must be solved!

Apple needs to provide us with some sort of minimal startup disk that provides
Finder and Chooser services.

I'm beginning an Email campaign.  If you would like your name on an open Email
letter to Apple, please send me a message with your full name, Address and
Email address.

I'll be writing a paper letter to Apple and I encourage everyone else to do the
same.  Paper mail is much more effective.  If you want to write a paper letter,
send it to:

Apple Computer, Inc.
2505 Mariani Ave.
Cupertino, CA 95014
M/S 73P

If anyone can think of a good reason not to urge Apple to come up with a
solution to this problem, please let me know.

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From: tinsel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Insel)
Subject: Re: Reducing sys6/remove cdevs?
Keywords: cdev, system 6
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:27:19 GMT

rhorowit@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Rick Horowitz) writes:

>If I remove certain things that appear in the control panel,
>like monitor, keyboard, color, etc.  (any respondents please
>tell me all I may safely remove if possible) will this 
>negatively impact the normal functioning of my system?

>If having them would reduce the size of RAM eaten by the system,
>and if having them only gives me more control, so that removing
>them I gain RAM, but just can't access the controls, I would like
>to remove them.  

It should be harmless to remove the standard cdev's provided
by Apple, but they only use RAM when in use.  Similarly, DA's
and fonts shouldn't affect RAM use except when you're actually
using them.  INIT's, however, can affect RAM usage -- you may
be able to squeeze a little bit more memory by removing Easy
Access, and any screen saver or macro programs, etc...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system