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From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:33:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.185814.10302@midway.uchicago.edu>  
shi6@franck.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.181430.23897@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu  writes:
> >In article <1992Nov11.152801.504747@sue.cc.uregina.ca>  
> >yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
> >> The following is From Mr. Y.  He is not willing to reveal his identity.
> >> 
> >> 						-- Yan, Yongfei
> >>(stuff deleted)
> >> Yongfei Yan
> >
> >I think Lu Gang's incident as well as your articles give me such an  
impression:
> >
> >We Chinese are always right. Whatever we do, we have an excuse. If we want  
to  
> >stay here and not go back, we cry that we are prosecuted by CG (which is  
true  
> >to some people). If we are not satisfied with our situation here, we cry  
that  
> >we are oppressed by the Americans. If we are not as good economically as  
> >Taiwanese, we balme them for being "snobs". If we see Japanese products in  
> >China, we accuse them of economic invasion and constantly remind them of the  
> >crimes the ancesters had committed.
> >
> >What are we? Angels? 
> >
> >To me, Lu Gang is just a crazy killer. No excuse, period! If he had not  
killed  
> >himself, he would deserve to sit in a gas chamber!
> >
> >Carl
> 
> Nobody said Lu Gang didn't deserve a gas chamber, and nobody ever said he was
> rightful. After all, he killed five people. But that doesn't mean it is
> meaningless to explore what made him from a scholar into a killer. Jeffery
> Daormer (bad sp.) killed 17 but people still tried to investigate him
> extensively. What is wrong with that? The article on HXWZ just tries to
> say unfairness triggered his killing. I don't think it tries to show
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Some of us always think that we are unfairly treated everywhere they go. They  
always think that they are right. Lu Gang killed people because he thought he  
was right and the article on HXWZ tried to justified his killing, or at least  
made his killing more understandable. The author did not intend to tell the  
truth. Instead, he tried his best to give people an impression that it was the  
victims' fault. 

Carl

> the always-correctness of Chinese. If you see it, you must think whatever
> chinese did is out-of-date, incorrect, ...:
> 
> Xiang1 Xia4 Ren2 Bu2 Hui4 Zuo4 Shi4
> 
> Sheldon
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From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:08:23 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bx9GwM.116@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>I am sorry, even as a Chinese citizen for so many years, I don't
>know how to vote. I was not told so in elementary, high schools.
>Not in college either. You must have hidden the voting right for
>yourself for many years.

You didn't vote for ban1 zhu3 xi2 when you were about 9?  Poor baby.

You didn't vote for hong2 wei4 bing1 da4 dui4 zhang3 when you were about
15?  Poor baby.

You didn't vote for xue2 sheng1 hui4 zhu3 xi2 when you were about 20?  Poor
baby.

Well, you have to wait for 4 years for another chance to vote here. Why
not held a vote in your family to see who is the boss :)

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An important announcement
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:06:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov5.070623.4979
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:

>To: all
>From: Shannon Yeh
>Subject: name adjustment for those blood carders

>Since the dogs are used by their masters to provide protection, and since
>those blood carders are protection receivers instead of protection providers,
>those blood carders are NOT qualified to be dogs or HDs.  And therefore,
>starting from Tue Oct 27 11:13:21 PST 1992, their nick name can no longer be
>"dog" or "HD".

>However, HJ (HanJian) is still applicable to those blood carders.  However,
>I have never said that all the blood card receivers are blood carders, neither
>have I said that all the blood carders are blood card receivers.

>Thank you for your attention.

>Sincerely,

>Shannon
>-------

Shannon;  
      What makes you to have the authority to make a such stupid nonsense
announcement?  You have the right to speak, but you don't have the right
calling people names!

Tiger
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From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:49:00 GMT

In article <lg02reINNqqf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes...
>In article <PI.92Nov10122857@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>>
>>* Contemporary Chinese people, in general, have been losing their 
>>  morality.
>>
>I was in the line buying ticket to forbidden city. Some one cut me in.
>The ticket seller yelled me: why you squeezed into line? I said he was
>the person squeezed in. The ticket seller wouldn't sell ticket to that guy.
>He turned to me: I just don't want to get into the line, what do you want
>to do about it? (acted as if wanting to fight me)
> 
>In the trip to Huangshan, I encountered many faculty members from some
>university of Shanghai who tended to squeeze into the line without waiting
>at the cable car station. They were one hour behind me, but squeezed in
>ahead of me. They were not shamed as of  university teachers. 
> 
>>  Another typical example: Chinese people care about very little public 
>>  environment. No matter which city you go, the most smell and dirty area 
>>  is ...you name it. 
>>
>On the trip from Chongqing to Wuhan, I tended to save gabage into can so
>that the janitor could take it away. But, the janitor just dumped the trash
>into the river directly. So, as well as most of the ferry passengers.
>It seems the Yantz River has been polluted enough, but nobody cares.
> 
>These symptons are rarely happen in current Taiwan. But, in mainland of
>China, people seem to have become another race.

Ha,ha,another "racial" discremination case.
Well,I am still happy to see you said those do not happen in "current Taiwan"
How about 20 years ago's Taiwan.
You changed your race in 20 years ? 
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From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:47 GMT

(   I--------tha--------ca   )   (  's  )  (  Fall  )

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			OR

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 |  |___|   |______|   |___|___   /\______   |  /   \  


Dear netters:  Which one is better to your taste?  I myself prefer the latter.
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From: qfan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Qian Fan)
Subject: A rider needed to Chicago in Thanksgiving
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:49:01 GMT

To whom who read this message:
     I need a rider to Chicago around Thanksgiving to visit a friend. Any help 
or information will be highly appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qfan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Qian Fan)
Subject: A rider needed to Chicago in Thanksgiving
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:25:57 GMT

I need a rider to Chicago to visit a close friend for Thankgiving. I would like
to stay there three or four days. Depart anytime before Thanksgiving and return
after that. Please call: (614)-297-8173 Qian Fan or send a mail to my mailbox.
Qian
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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:13:16 GMT


c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Nov9.115519.60526@cc.usu.edu>, ma@cc.usu.edu writes...
|> [.........]
|> >The article on CMD-CM is totally a biased THEORY. It ASSUMED that everything
|> >on Lu Gang 's letters was true, then made the conclusion. The author used
|> >interviews (if he interviewed a few people) just to support his conclusion.
|> [.........]
|> > 
|> >Ma 
|> >A former UI student
|> > 
|> 
|> Ma, what you said is certainly acceptable to me. However, a simple statement
|> would not change people's opinions. Granted, newspaper stories make mistakes,
|> albeit not-very-serious ones. The question that has bothered me ever since
|> I heard the story is that why those FORMER and PRESENR UI students, who who
|> know those people involved in the tragedy, to tell us the truth? It seems to
|> me there are a lot of versions of the story. Why do not you tell us what
|> happened, not just your general comment?
|> 
|> Bob

Good points. Granted, Liu's article might have been biased to Lu, but I
at least appreciated his effort to dig out the story. I do not think
readers would necessarily take what all Liu said in the article as facts.
But what I found interesting is that here is this person who does not appear
to have invested interests in Lu's case has obviously spent some time on
it and try to get the story out. Then here are these ui students/faculties(?)
(of an entire department!) who are supposed to know the case better than the
rest of us have not uttered a word in the whole year but once the report comes
out, are quick to sign letters, post news articles to accuse Liu's article
"extremely biased and distorted the truth."

What I don't understand is why don't they just rebut the report point by
point to show the report's bias but have to wait for CND to publish their
letter which, according to posting <1992Nov8.165851.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>,
"fully" gives "our opinions about Mr. Liu's article." Their opinions? I
thought they are just talking about facts and truth. Or is it just a bunch of
accusations?

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:21:09 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <BxBK29.7As@news.orst.edu>, by wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao):
>>I want to express my gratefulness to the person for his showing off my 
>>personal finger record (see his post entitled "Be honest. Don't be a running
>>...' or below) AND my favorite writing there for my 'plan'! I never expected 
>>......
>>Though I reserve the ownership of my personal data and the right of its 
>>DISTRIBUTION ......
> 
> I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
> ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
> the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
> to look at the file beside operators of the network?

Yes I believe everyone has the right to look at anybody else's finger record 
at his own will (Or else what's it for? anyway).  But that doesn't mean he 
has the right to distribute it publically with owner's permission as I said. 
		 ^^^^^^^^^^

--
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:03:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxH1DJ.I6L
Organization: Indiana University

In article <kezhDBy00WB8Ik8F1l@andrew.cmu.edu> Yuting Zhang <yz04+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>There are plenty of reasons for Russia and Chinese governments congratulating
>  Bill Clinton

No body prevent them from congratulating Bill Clinton. They could lead
their whole countries to vote for him too. In that way, they don't have to
create election in their own countries which may have potential
danger of lossing their power. Just say, we Chinese are all joining
American citizenship :-).
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:11:49 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
 <Nov.7.16.28.00.1992.1741@soliton.rutgers.edu>
 <1992Nov9.231254.8839@news.acns.nwu.edu> <BxH7A0.MK2@acsu.buffalo.edu>

   Xiaofei Wang wrote:
 > (deleted)
 >From your poor translation, I can see that your English is
 >horse horse tiger tiger.
 > (deleted)

         wrong praise wrong praise.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
    <92317.133728SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:29:48 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

<SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <101592@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) says:
>>
>>In article <92316.173131SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>>(deleted)
>>>  Just a remind, we are Chinese, we shouldn't reveal out teeth when we
>>>  lough. -)
>>
>>Ms. Sun, just a reminder, that is a rule for you ladies only. Please
>>not extend it to us male Chinese. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>--

>Am I reading a newsgroup called 'soc.funny.Chinese'?
>                 -) -) -).......................-) !

Look into the mirror.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:11:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.184254.16724@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>In article <100723@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>
>>I don't think Bush is wrong. One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land
>>Against Their Country.
>>
>>He did not say One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their
>>government, neither did he say One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land
>>Against Their government's wrong doing.
>>
>>Get the difference? Please donate.
>>-- 

>Yes, I get it. They *are* different. But when the students, including
>Bill Clinton, demonstrated in England, they were demonstrating against
>the US government, not against US as a country. Bush's accusation therefore
>becomes irrelevant.
>
>Fan
>
So, American people chose Bill Clinton as their next president. I do not think
American will choose a person who was against his own country as their
president even though Bush is with a bad economy record.

That's why Bush liked to claim that he is a friend of some Chinese top leaders
before 1989. There exist some common points among them. One of the points is
that they do like confusing the concepts of government and country to fool
people.

--Shicheng

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:53:32 GMT

In article <100796@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>>However, saying Chinese has no voting right is not correct.
>
>It depends on what is the error margin to be "correct". Maybe he should
>say Chinese have nominal voting right and sometime experimental voting
>right in 1966 and 1980:-) but no true voting right.

	The term "true voting right" here has to be defined. I know some
	netters will draw an "=" sign between this term and US system 
	without any thinking. The voting system in China is not 
	perfectly developed, but it exists. Neglecting the existance of
	something is not correct.
From: qz4s@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Qingjun  Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Apology?  No Comments!
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:01:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Nov12.010122.23463
Organization: University of Virginia


	CANBERRA, Australia (UPI) -- Australia's foreign minister has
apologized for a joke he made about Chinese people eating Hong Kong Gov.
Chris Patten's missing dog.
	At a recent Hong Kong reception, someone overheard Foreign Minister
Gareth Evans speculating that Patten's lost pet had probably wound up on
Chinese leader Deng Xiao Ping's dinner table.
	``They'll turn it into hors d'oeuvres for Deng Xiao Ping, who I am
told eats four puppies a day,'' the media quoted Evans as quipping.
	Wednesday, Evans stood before the Australian Parliament and
apologized for the fact that newspapers had published the remark.
	He also alleged the media had misrepresented his statement, which he
claimed the Chinese would view as a joke.
	``To say someone eats dog is very likely to be regarded a compliment.
.. because dog just happens to be a very sophisticated and highly
regarded item of Chinese cuisine -- whatever we might think about that,''
Evans said. ``The Chinese, as we all know, have a marvelous sense of
humor....I find it impossible to believe that there would have been
offense. If there has been offense, I can assure everyone that no
offense was intended.''
	Evans gave his explanation amid fire from opposition politicians, who
charged that his quip insulted both the Chinese and Deng.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Lu's Tragedy
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:28:01 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

The following is From Mr. Y.  He is not willing to reveal his identity.

						-- Yan, Yongfei

-------------------------------
beginning of message from Mr. Y
-------------------------------

Mr. Yan Yongfei said:

>Nobody dares to be on Lu's side. Aren't you afraid of being labeled as the
>potential second Lu? But let's be brave enough to reveal the true cause
>behind the tragedy.

Actually, Feng Wei called Mr. X  in Liu's report Lu Gang the 2nd.
It's not difficult to see why there is nobody in the department
who dares speaks a single good word for Lu Gang. Even Mr X had to
say that he agreed on the content of the letter drafted by Feng Wei.

 Mr. Y

-------------------------------
end of message from Mr. Y
-------------------------------

It seems that Chinese students at IU are not encouraged to tell the
truth. I suggest that we publish the letter from Feng Wei as well as
this message from Mr. Y on CND-CM. I understand Feng Wei's and other
Chinese students'  dilemma. It is already hard enough for them to study
and live at IU, let's don't make it worse.

Hell, I feel I am living in 60's and 70's China!! Don't you?

Yongfei Yan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:24:50 GMT

In article <BxFHGM.4sH@cs.psu.edu> anthony@phys.psu.edu (Mai Haigiu) writes:
>Shame on all those Chinese who celebrate Bill Cliton's victory! What's your
>business? What Bill Cliton will do to you: a Non US citizen Chinese? Don't
>forget where's your home!
>
>--HAMLET

Just re-post. We are Chinese. We do need to remind ourselves this fact
from time to time.

There is a Chinese who skipped his lunch when he read "Congradulations Bill" 
on the screen and held his mouth for 10 min. to avoid blowing his 
breakfast out. Please observe others health before posting something 
which should be kept in private.
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:45:39 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <PWU.92Nov11201420@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, by pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu):
>     From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z)
>> ......
> ......
> cannot tell you."  On our registration material, there is a box one can check
> if one does not want one's address, phone number and some other info to
> be given away by the school telephone operator.  In our city, one has to pay

I believe, at least, the school (operators) won't distribute the information 
RANDOMLY except in some dedicated places like telephone book.  

> monthly charge if s/he does not want to be listed in the phone book or does
> not want his/her information given away by 411 operator.  As I am writing, my
> address may be passed to some unknown junk mail agency.  I think all the

Then you should take the responsibility yourself of all the consequences, 
except that when some agency irresponsibly distributes your info on a 
newspaper or sth.

They already have your permission (when you first contact the phone company
and file those forms) before the 411 operator can release your info.  Also 
true for white pages.  Remember they are dedicated. 

> Here is our major difference on this issue: I consider you permit others to
> distribute the information in your .plan and .project by putting it there
> while you consider you do not.  I may be wrong.  Please correct me by giving
> me your bases for your stand, that is, one need explicit owner permission to
> distribute the information the finger program returns.

You only (implicitly) permit others to make PROPER use of the information 
in your finger record by putting it there, like emailing or talking to the 
owner, checking to see if he is logged on ...  But you certainly don not 
permit any other individual to distribute it IRRESPONSIBLY (or BLINDLY) in 
a UNLIMITED PUBLIC place where he can't expect all possible consequences. 

Also I haven't included motivations for the distribution yet...

I'm getting tired of this. --I would simply say 'yes you beat me!' to all the 
different points you could raise and then, I would like to make weekly posts 
of your finger record on this scc group (or everywhere on campus?). --Just
kidding.  OK, I have to run to buy a tire before the shop closes. Have fun!

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