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Subject:      RE: Patent searching
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Dialog has a number patent databases available. "Claims/U.S. Patents" is
divided into two series: File numbers are 23, 24, 25, 125 and the "Uniterm"
series File numbers 223, 224, and 225 which may be searched in a single File
341.  There is also the "Claims/Comprehensive" database, File numbers 323, 324,
 325, 342 which are chronological segments of U.S. patents issued since 1950.
Also, there is the "World Patents Index," File numbers 350, 351.  Information
about these files are in the Dialog Bluesheets and Guide to Dialog Databases.

dmalone@csbsju.edu
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From:         zane_clark%csufresno.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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              at Jan 21, 93 9:27 pm

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.
>
> However, we all know that, that's why we're on this discussion list! What
> I would rather comment on is the negative side of the coin: staff, and
> unfortunately, management _resentment_ towards those of us who *do* use
> the Internet for finding those same reference needs to which they would
> just assume, and eagerly so, decline to pursue (too obscure or too
> inconvenient).
>
> Though I shouldn't generalize, I have found among many fellow librarians
> not only an unwillingness and/or fear of emerging technologies and
> electronic sources of information, but even, as a defense, hostility towards
> those pesky *computer types* who perhaps pose a direct threat to their
> sense of security, if not their livelihood.
>
> I've also sensed from some a belief that perusal of the net is play
> time and not appropriate for official library time (which is why I
> usually do my networking at home or during lunch).
>
> Am I paranoid, or have others experienced the same?
>
> Larry Schankman
> Valdosta State College
>
> P.S.  Sorry if I turn the discussion off track.
>
     Unfortunately Larry,  you are not alone in this seeming
'paranoia' concerning the use of the Internet.  I wonder if it could
be a fear of the unknown?  If this is the case how can we help them to
'know' in order to obviate their fears?  We have a similiar situation
here, with some unwilling to let the library take the lead in
'teaching the internet.'  Our computer services on campus are doing a
great job in the technical area in getting the whole campus wired into
the campus network, but they do not have the time or the desire to
teach Internet skills.  I am going to try something with the library
faculty to see if I can get them interested in 'networking.'  I have
just downloaded and printed the 'listserv' annotated list of
conferences.  I am going to make an abbreviated index to it to
facilitate it's use.  I am also going to find appropriate e-mail
conferences for various depaartments in the library and send them the
information on how to subscribe, and also let them know that their are
over 800 conferences to choose from.  Maybe I can make a few converts
this way.

--

Zane Clark
Library Instruction Coordinator
California State University Fresno

zane_clark@csufresno.edu

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              "zane_clark%csufresno.edu@kentvm.kent.edu" at Oct 23, 92 2:54 pm

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A patron is inquiring about an online patent searching service. Seems
like I have heard about this, but can't find anything. Any help would
be great.
--

Zane Clark
Library Instruction Coordinator
California State University Fresno

zane_clark@csufresno.edu

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From:         SHARYN LADNER <SLADNER@UMIAMI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re:Reference via internet

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Jim Olivetti makes an interesting observation about the two
articles in ONLINE.  it is certainly a coincidence that these two
articles appeared in the same issue.  I was not aware that there
was an article in ONLINE about searching Dialog, BRS, etc. via
the Internet until someone mentioned it on LIBREF -- you see, I
have not yet seen the January issue, only the galleys of my article,
since I am pretty far down on the routing list and I have not yet
received my complimentary copy from ONLINE.  But I did not want
to leave the impression that I was criticising the use of the
Internet to access commercial services like Dialog -- quite the
contrary:  it is in fact more cost-effective to access these
services through the internet because the telecommunications costs
are less.  The point I wanted to make was that the Internet is
more than just a way to access remote databases, not that this
is not an important function -- it is.  My remarks were certainly
not directed at the other article in the January issue of
ONLINE, since I didn't even know it was there when I wrote (BTW,
I'm looking forward to reading it!)

Jim's comment about whether the communications function of the
Internet will diminish as it matures is something I've thought about,
too. Will the "experts" stop responding as more people use the
Internet to ask questions?  I hope not, because i enjoy talking
with others on the net, learning new things and hopefully contributing
as well.

I am particularly enjoying this discussion and have learned some
new ways to explore the Internet simply by reading about other's
experiences.

Sharyn Ladner
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From:         Deborah Johnson <djohnso3%ub.d.umn.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      internet reference
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have been a watcher more than a participant on this list, but I have
to get my $.02 in...

I play on the Internet often.  Daily weather, the OED, the CIA Factbook
-- I use them, but I lose them.  The paths to get there change sometimes
and it is really embarrassing to go to show someone something and it
isn't there.  Or it's there and the site is down or changing
configuration and you can't access when you need it.  I've been told,
too, to FTP during off-peak hours.  I can't answer the 9 am question if
I'm not supposed to access the information til after 5 pm.  That's my
end of it.

On the other end, there are faculty who do not care to even play with
Internet sources much less use them when I suggest it.  And students are
often scared/uninterested/too busy to learn.  Lack of cooperation is
frustrating.

It wouldn't hurt if we had a terminal we could access Internet sources
from easily.  Terminals we have, but they are usually busy with other
traffic.

I will use Internet sources more when the information services at
various places make it more stable and even perhaps a little easier to
use.  A common command format would be helpful, too.  (Do I 'q' to quit
a screen or 'u' or 'page up' or...?)  And my printer dies every time I
try to print an FTP'd file.  Argh!

I'm not phobic.  I just do not always have time to work around as many
hurdles as there are now.  As things improve, my using the sources will
increase.  And I suspect the same will be true of many of my colleagues.

--
Deborah S. Johnson
Library
University of Minnesota
10 University Drive
Duluth MN   55812-2495
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From:         Larry Schankman
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Subject:      Internet for reference
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I also agree that use of Internet can be helpful at the reference desk; we
have a dumb terminal, but with access to the net I can plug into other
databases, or catalogs of large libraries (hence no need to leave the desk
to run to OCLC just to identify a title or author) or dig up hard to find
document files (just yesterday I found a same-day copy of Clinton's
inaugural address).

However, *we* all know that, that's why we're on this discussion list! What
I would rather comment on is the negative side of the coin: staff, and
unfortunately, management _resentment_ towards those of us who *do* use
the Internet for finding those same reference needs to which they would
just assume, and eagerly so, decline to pursue (too obscure or too
inconvenient).

Though I shouldn't generalize, I have found among many fellow librarians
not only an unwillingness and/or fear of emerging technologies and
electronic sources of information, but even, as a defense, hostility towards
those pesky *computer types* who perhaps pose a direct threat to their
sense of security, if not their livelihood.

I've also sensed from some a belief that perusal of the net is play
time and not appropriate for official library time (which is why I
usually do my networking at home or during lunch).

Am I paranoid, or have others experienced the same?

Larry Schankman
Valdosta State College
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Subject:      HELP: Tontouta Task Force (New Caledonia)
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Hello -

I am currently looking for ANY information regarding the following:

                           ***********************
                             TONTOUTA TASK FORCE
                           ***********************

        On 16 May 1942, two B-17E aircraft, five flight crews and ground
specialists departed Hickam Field, T.H., with less than twenty-four hours
notice, for Fiji, where three additional B-17E aircraft were added to the task
force.  Following a day of testing, the five aircraft flew to Tontouta, New
Caledonia, a small landing strip forty kilometers north of Noumea.  The
aircraft operated under Navy command, flying reconnaissance flights in the
Solomon Islands area for the next four weeks.  One aircraft crashed 8 June
1942, in New Zealand, killing the task force commander, R. Cobb, and the flight
crew.  On 25 June, the remaining four aircraft and flight crews flew to
Brisbane, becoming part of the 19th Bombardment Group operations in
Australia and New Guinea.

The information that I seek concerning this task force includes:

        1. Addresses of persons in the task force (or where they can be found)

        2. Information describing the purpose of the task force

        3. Data concerning the results achieved by the task force

Any and all information regarding this task force would be immensely
appreciated. I have exhausted a good number of library collections in the North
Texas Area.

Please reach me through e-mail c/o:

Joe Natale
s_natale@twu (Bitnet)
s_natale@twu.edu (Internet)

I can also be reached by snail mail at the following address:

William R. Eaton
400 Woodland Street
Denton, Texas 76201
(817)382-7800

Many thanks for anyone's help in advance. Again, any information or leads would
be greatly appreciated.

William R. Eaton
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From:         Marjo Arseneau <NOTMJD%LSUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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Some of us non-Internet for immediate reference answers types are
actually envious.  How 'bout letting us into the "club?"  I would use
Internet much more, but it seems like you almost need to know the
secret handshake to find anything, :-).  I will be won over if you can tell
me where to start.  I can find things on how to use e-mail, and have
learned some very useful tips.  But it seems impossible to learn Internet
without having your own computer at home, which much to my regret I do
not.

On the Internet perusal as a legitimate use of on-duty time, many libraries
are understaffed all or part of the time.  Add to that the constant struggle
to get enough time on a terminal/computer that can access Internet, and it
is clearly not so much a question of willingness as it is of opportunity.

Just my two cents...
Marjo Arseneau
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Subject:      WALFORD Concise Guide to Reference Material available
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UNIPUB recently became the exclusive U.S. and Canadian distributor
of publications from Library Association Publishing, Ltd., London.
Any librarians online interested in the work of and manuals from the
British Library Association, please feel free to contact us.  I'd
also like to take the opportunity, for any interested reference
librarians, to announce the availability of the _Walford Concise
Guide to Reference Material, Second Edition_.

This abridged version of the three volume _Walford Guide to
Reference Material, Fifth Edition_ compiles more than 3,000
annotated entries from those main volumes and includes more
recent material through April 1992.

The _Walford Concise Guide_ is designed to identify and
evaluate the widest possible range of reference materials,
including bibliographies, indexes, dictionaries, encyclopedia
and directories.  Textbooks and general practice manuals have also
been included.  And since it is a guide to reference MATERIAL,
periodical articles, microforms, and online and CD_ROM resources
are also generously represented.

International in scope, the _Walford Guide_ continues to cover
resources on both sides of the Atlantic in subjects ranging
through generalities, philosophy and psychology, religion,
social sciences, science, technology, the arts, language and
literature, biography and history.  An excellent reference for
researchers beginning projects, students of library and
information studies, and librarians developing reference
collections.

For more information on this and any other title from
Library Association Publishing, Ltd., London, feel free
to contact UNIPUB in any of the means below.

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Don Hagen
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From:         Gary Davidoff <B34454MP@ANLCV1.BITNET>
Subject:      Use of the Internet in Reference Service

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I am one of the lucky ones whose supervisors support my "play" on
the internet.  But they also supported my play with "PCs" when
we first got them and, I believe, they were paid back handsomely when
this expertise was shared with my colleagues and moved all of us
into the computer age.

The same will hopefully be true of my experimenting with the
internet.  There will be a resource for my colleagues to ask those
questions that might otherwise stop them in their tracks.  This is
the argument I make up front and I feel is sufficient justification.

But there is an even more compelling reason for the time we spend.
The universe of the internet is expanding at an appalling/exciting
rate.  Those of us lucky enough to get in now have a formidable but
not impossible learning curve to scale.  Some of us even consider it
fun.  But by learning through trial and error we "really" learn what
we are learning--it is our mistakes that teach us the most;  when
everything goes right, we get an answer but learn very little.  To wait
to be taught how to use the internet, we lose control over what we know:
the internet becomes magic and we are only taught certain spells, and
those are the only spells we will have the courage to use.

So perservere, waste your time.  We have to do as a previous contributor
said (so I didn't save the name); we have to answer the questions before
they're asked and serve as guideposts for those too timid to forge their
own way (or those who are not given the time/opportunity to do what
they would like--didn't mean to offend).

********gary davidoff        gdavidoff@anl.gov**********8
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From:         SCHULZ%WITTENBG.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Reference via internet
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I would like to echo Marjo Arseneau:  some of us just don't quite have the hang
of doing reference with the internet yet.  We aren't necessarily opposed to it,
but it does seem slightly mysterious.  I have bought and looked at two guides
to the internet and both disappointed me.  They talked about mail and lists
and finding addresses and that's all fine, but just how do I find all that
FACTUAL "stuff" that's out there?  How does one determine what "node" to
access?  I have succeeded in finding some oddball things, but I have also been
stymied.  Is there some easy directory everyone knows about but me?

Admittedly, with more time and effort, I should probably be able to figure the
internet out, but with all the various demands of reference, BI, collection
development, etc. that most of us do, time is at a premium.
Kathy Schulz     Bitnet%"Schulz@Wittenbg"
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Subject:      Survey
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The inauguration is over -- let the analysis begin!

Bernan Press is considering whether to publish a book or
books on the election process.  We invite responses to the
following survey questions:

1.)  Are libraries and/or their patrons interested in
     primaries at the presidential level?

2.)  Would there be interest in primaries at the congressional
     and gubernatorial levels?

3.)  Is the interest great enough to warrant a full volume of
     primary statistics, or would it be better to distill the
     information and incorporate it into a more general election
     reference?

4.)  What sort of election information would your library and
     its patrons like to see published?

We thank you for your replies and comments.

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Don Hagen
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From:         JIM HEWITT <hewitt%vax.cord.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Fritz Pollard
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
One of our students is in need of some information on the coaching career
of Fritz Pollard, the first black All-American at a major US university
(Brown) and a star in the early National Football League.  Our information
is that he coached a professional team in Hammond, IN around 1923-1925.
Does anybody out there have any particulars about his career?  Was he, in
fact, the first black professional football coach?
Most of the information we have been able to find in standard sources
deal with his playing career at Brown and the NFL, and also mention
that he was involved in the motion picture industry during World War II.
Any other information would be appreciated.

Please respond to my personal Internet address.

Thank you.

Jim Hewitt
reference librarian
Concordia College
Moorhead, MN 56562
hewitt@vax.cord.edu
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