From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:59:56 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Nov07.005316.37502@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000) writes:

>David L. Cathey (davidc@montagar.com) wrote:
>: In article <1992Nov03.235337.19715@watson.ibm.com>, johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000) writes:
>: > 1.  You have every right to not have a high-paying job.
>: 
>: 	Agreed...  But you should be able to make enough to survive on.

>If you don't, then you don't survive.  Or you depend on the kindness of
>others.  That's your choice.

And then we have to support them, have cops to catch them when they
decide that since they can't work they'll find some other way to
survive, pay for courts, jails, and prisons to deal with them, etc.
Quite expensive, John.  Much moreso than simply telling them way back
when that if they don't pass their classes they can't play football.

>: 	No, but once you're at a disadvantage to those around you, the window
>: is harder to open.

>Life is full of choices.  Some are harder than others.  You should still have
>the choice.

But the rest of us are still going to have to pay, one way or another,
even in your Libertopia.

>: 	Gee, too bad.  If I want to get a paycheck, I might have to do a little
>: grunt work.

>School is not a job.  Unless you're proposing that students get paid for going
>to school.

Consider it apprenticeship.  If they don't want to 'do the work', let
them leave.  Why let them play football so they will stay?

>: Life is full of trade offs. If anything else, they might as
>: well learn that.

>What they learn is that people like you think they know better how to run their
>lives.

>: You don't seem concerned they learn anything else.

>People who want to learn will learn.

And the rest of them will cost us much.

>: And
>: if you would forget your moronic "Maybe they don't want high paying jobs!"
>: bullshit, you would realize that's why they want to be football stars in
>: the first place.

>Fine.  It's their lives--their choice.  What business is it of yours?  If you
>don't want to pay to bail them out, then fight against that instead of
>dictating what people do for a living.

And just what do you want to do when they start burglerizing John
Haugh's house?  Oh, that's right -- he didn't pay for police services,
so we won't do anything.  :-)

>: 	The system is rigged, but the wrong way!  We reward people, some of
>: whom may be effectively morons, with MILLIONS of dollars a year, just because
>: they can catch a ball and run.

>As long as other morons are willing to pay $30 to $100 to WATCH these morons
>catch a ball and run, this will continue.  If I could catch a ball and run that
>well, I would do the same.

Well, I disagree some with Dave here.  Most of those 'effectively
morons' DID pass.  That's how they got where they are now.  And they
should be able to charge whatever they can get away with.

>: 	And another part of your statement is laden with inaccuracies:
>: "The only way to pursue a career in professional sports is through the
>: academic high schools and colleges."  I say "Wrong", as the only sports
>: where this is even marginally true is Football and Basketball.

>Well then help me fix the problem with football and basketball then, instead
>of compounding the problem.

How does insisting that they pass the classes that they are supposed
to be there to take "compound the problem"?

>: 	And again here.  It is not my desire for them to "excel" as you
>: put it.  Again you with go with your idiotic assumption that I insist they
>: become Nobel Prize winners or something.  I have emphasised that I just think
>: they should *PASS THE CLASS*.  That means not getting an "F".  It does not
>: mean they are required to get an "A".

>Why?  What's it to you?

Maybe he realizes, as you apparently do not, that if they don't pass
the class we are more than likely going to have to pay higher taxes
because of them at some later time.  This is true even if we adopt
your philosophy of 'let them fail at life rather than supporting
them', unless you also espouse 'let them commit crimes as they like
without arresting them' and simply assume that they will never steal
from any of us.  Some guy with lots of muscles and no education is NOT
goin got just quietly starve to death.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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