From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: NO EVIDENCE That Homosexuality Is A Result of Child Sexual Abuse
Summary: Find out all of the facts and information.
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:29:48 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
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In article <13247@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>That's what is on the dust jacket.  Maybe they aren't there
>anymore.  Maybe the whole dust jacket is a fabrication, I
>don't know.  Even better, go to the library there and look
>on the page I cited.
>-- 

 Maybe everything that you are posting is a fabrication.  I have
now completed an exhaustive search for information and data to
support your claims or innuendo that child sexual abuse causes
homosexuality.

I have covered more than 1000 citations in our general library
catalogs from medline to current contents, there was little 
(meaning only the few things that you posted) about anything in
this area of research that would start to support your claims.

In fact, what I derived from my search is the following, as far as,
connections between child sexual abuse and adulthood, and this comes
from a perusal of 505 entries in medical and scientific journals;

Anorexia
bulimia
eating disorders in general
drug abuse
alcohol abuse
suicidal tendencies
sexual dysfunction
inabilitiy to form personal relationships
neurosis
personality disorders
juvenile social misconduct
rejection by families of victim
rejection of families by victim
child prostitution
low self-esteem
contraction of STD's
plus a myriad of related problems.

And on top of all of that, all the cases where sexual abuse never
really happened, just frabricated by the child.  Plus I found several
unheard studies of abuse by females (many cases mothers) on young boys.
But many of them pointed to the all to familiar father-daughter abuse
or man-girl.

The other point that I derived from all of my investigating is that
we as a society have failed to provide the correct and proper information
to our childern, so that they can make informed choices and have this
knowledge available to them to avoid problems and to cope better when
these events happen.  So many of the studies showed have familial abuse
is thought to be so common, but very difficult to get for anyone to
intervene.  How many cases are simply a matter of the abuser attempting
to establish a feeling of power for themselves, when just about everything
else has failed for them. How there is a wide and unknown spectrum of
psychological mindsets that cause people to do all types of sexually
violent things.  How so much of this is tied into physical and emotional
abuse of childern by parents, siblings and strangers.

Your last posting came from someone who did basically overviews of 
information and tried to make an analysis, and it was only a thesis
dissertation.  The only other reference to these two authors in your
last grand posting is to a book they compiled on all of the known
information extracted from other studies about child sexual abuse.
What makes them authorities? nothing in my view.

There was nothing to support the idea that child sexual abuse
has any direct or even subtle connection with an adult becoming or being gay.

Give it up- you don't have the facts or information to establish
this relationship- because there isn't any. 

In fact if your claims were correct- then why aren't there many
more gay people or homosexuality oreinted people than you and
others claim  (2-4%) of the total population.  Especially when
given the results of many studies that show their test groups
to have from 15-30% being sexually abused as childern?  From
what I have read and studied there should be a population of
gay persons aleast in the 20% range of the total population just
as a result of sexual abuse, that doesn't count anyone who was
never abused and is gay.

If you hold a personal vendetta against gay people then lay it
out, stop hiding behind this guise of being the great savior
of childern from sexual abuse and therefore keeping them from
becomeing homosexual.  If your problem is this deep and wide
in scope I recommend that you find assistance and counselling
to overcome this misinformed view that you hold of gay people.

If you want to devote yourself and life to stopping or curtailing
sexual abuse of childern, more power to you, but go after the
real culprits, because most of them are heterosexual, or they
are pedophiles, or they are simply psychotic (I doubt if you 
will ever be able to stop these types).  The real threats lies
all around you, many cases and articles that I read had to do
with hospitals and how doctors and staff take advantage of
situations... you are chasing the perverbial red herring, and
the only thing it is going to get you is a lot of grief.

A while back you posted that you had won this debate, that 
homosexuals couldn't defend themselves against your 'evidence'
well I think I have just blown your little tugboat out of the
water.  There are several others on the newsgroup who have
posted information that has easily refuted your claims.  But
I will reinterate once again that I think most posters are
just tired of dealing with you and your misinformed attitude
about molestation, pedophilia, homosexuality and anything
you care to throw in.
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