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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Del Sol
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:02:38 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:

> In article <BzBCwJ.21sy@austin.ibm.com>, adil@austin.ibm.com (Adil Soofi) wri
> |> 
> |> I am considering buying the new Honda Del Sol. Any words of wisdom from 
> |> rec.autos readers?
> 
> I thought the Miata looked better and handled better.  It is about the same
> price....give it a look.

A big difference, though, is in hardtops.  There will be a lot of times when
you'll want a hardtop on your car, for security or weather conditions.  The
Del Sol hardtop is included (obviously) and is a breeze to put on and store
in the trunk.  The Miata's hardtop costs several hundred dollars and cannot
be stashed in the trunk.

In terms of styling, it really depends on whether you're looking forwards
(Del Sol) or backwards (Miata).  The Del Sol makes reference to the Targa
look but is very modern; the Miata is kind of a tribute to the British
roadsters of yore (a good one at that, too).

I think they're both nice cars, and they should both be very reliable.  I'd
probably get a Del Sol, but if I lived in California or something, it
probably wouldn't be an easy choice.

Whatever you do, don't buy a Capri.  What a wretched car.

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Comment.....
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:55:55 GMT

Sunday, around noon, I was driving along San Andreas when what to my
wondering eyes did appear but some bikers coming two abreast down the
road - I made a comment to my nephew that it looked like there was a
bike road run - as the front passed, I realized that it wasn't just
_some_ bikers out riding - it was a whole slew - the line stretched
for several miles (in downtown La Selva Beach, the CHP was there
waving the bikes through the stop sign)

it was ONE MAGNIFICENT sight ! ! ! !

then, to add to my delight, as I was driving back down HWY 1 a little
bit later, I saw the whole contingency coming back up 1, in the right
lane, two abreast (one of the guys was off to the side capturing it all
on tape) - not to exaggerate, but the group looked like there were about
500 bikes, some ridden single, some tandem, a few sidecars, some
decorated for Christmas, some carrying their flags, again

it was ONE MAGNIFICENT sight ! ! ! !

I never saw anything about the ride in/on the news, my husband thinks
it was a ride for toys or something,

whatever the reason for the ride, thanks to all the guys and gals who
participated in creating such a spectacular....

BTW I was so excited about the run, and the beautiful weather, my husband
and I took the roadster ('33) out for a nice Sunday ride.....B-)



-- 
________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
From: andrey@cs.arizona.edu (Andrey K. Yeatts)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Civic LX, Saturn SL1.. what else should I consider...
Keywords: pl. suggest choices...
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:40:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Dec11.024425.16193@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.011832.6517@EE.Stanford.EDU>
|> sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:
|> >In article <1992Dec11.010613.12778@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
|> >underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|> >|> In that price range, the Honda Civic is the finest car available for that
|> >|> price, and on top of that, it is made in America.  Honda Civics and Accords
|> >|> are a symbol of American excellence in engineering and manufacturing.
|> >Mr. Joe:
|> >Could you please post more info about the Honda Civic?  What is it's domestic
|> >content?  Where was it engineered?  Where is it assembled (final)? 
|> 
|> I don't want to misquote anyone, but the answer to the very last question
|> is "Ohio".
|> 

The Civic EX that I test drove yesterday was manufactured (wholly) in Japan.
Apparently, the first character of the SN (J, in this case) indicates its
origin, or so said the sales manager with whom I drove it. The Honda literature
claims that 75% of Hondas are built in the US, with a larger percentage
of Accords that Civics built here. I can't remember the precise numbers, but
your local Hondaguy would love to talk your ear off about it.

-- 
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andrey@cs.arizona.edu				Univ. of Arizona
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From: c162-ck@po.berkeley.edu (Igor Chizhevsky)
Subject: Re: RACING STUFF GARAGE SALE!!!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:07:56 GMT

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CHP can't use radar?(Was: What radar detector should I buy?)
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <Yf8x9E_00iV2M7JWwb@andrew.cmu.edu> mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph D. Mazza) writes:
>I've gotten a lot of questions about how the CHP aircraft figure their
>groundspeed when pacing a car.  
>
>I just realized how they do it -- 
>
>They can't clock YOU over a measured course, but they can sure clock
>THEMSELVES!  So they pace a car (match their speed to the cars), then
>clock themselves using those white lines painted along the highway.  So,
>technically, they're not timing you -- they're PACING you and timing
>themselves.  Sneaky, but technically legal!


  So, how do they keep the aircraft in the air?

  Do they only select speeders doing over about 80 mph or so?

  (Below a certain speed, aircraft tend to glide rather like a
  rock.)

  ZZ
Xref: sparky rec.autos:29793 rec.autos.tech:16671
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:06:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron) says:

>In article <1992Dec11.114624@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, 
>hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>
>>  From what I've heard, spoilers really don't do anything until you
>>   reach high-speeds - like over 150 mph.
>
>As I understand it, spoilers are used mainly for these two functions:
>
>(1) to increase downforce in corners, so the car can go faster through them.  
>This means drag will be increased at high speeds, so crews are always 
>searching for a happy medium.
>
>(2) to keep the car from thinking it's a plane at high speeds.
and
(3) in an attempt at breaking up certain wind properties in order to 
achieve lower coefficients of drag.  This helps to achieve better
gas mileage, greater top speed, etc.  (i recall seeing this in Disney world..
they demostrate on a bicycle, the effects of huching over, as opposed to
sitting up straight..)  When a vehicle such as..oh..a suburban, for an
example, cuts through the air, they leave a trail of turbulance behind them,
and this turbulance will acctually create a sucktion behind the vehicle
(ever slipstreamed a Truck? same principle..there is an air void behind the
vehicle)  "spoilers", when properly designed, can help to ease the transition
of this air, and lessen the void and suction.  This is what is so big about
some of the designs today.

(2)(revisited)The thing about airplanes and cars.if you notice..the car body is 
the same shape as an airplane wing..yet are supposed to do two different
things.  This is the reason for "chin spoilers". if you can stop air
from entering under the car, it creates a vaccuum(air void!) which will
draw the car down, and also provides for some nifty cooling abilities,etc.
This is part of the reason that Funny Cars have thier front end scraping the
pavement, if air gets under there, it creates lift(we all KNOW what that
does!;-)

hasta
DREW
From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: NEWS OF 94' ACCORDS
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 

Mitch_halpern@qm.sri.com (Mitch Halpern) writes:
-> time), the Accord is due for a major revision next fall or
-> thereabouts for the '94 model year.  Does anyone have any information
-> regarding the expected changes? The present Accord seems to be
-> getting pretty long in the

  Yeah, the Accord is supposed to revised for 94 or 95 at the latest.
Honda usually does a makeover every 4 or 5 years.  But the new
generation Accord's are going to finally be equipped with the long
awaited V6 to put it in the competition that has left the Accord in
dust.  The Accord is also going to be slightly bigger (not much though)
and is supposed to have a more low profile body styling.  That's all I
have heard of for now..


 Erich.
                                          
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From: milo@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jim  mielo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:37:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: rutgers university


 >>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides
nice
> >>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
> >>Audi does who else.
> >
> >--Subaru makes the Legacy Sports Sedan and Touring Wagon.  These are the high
> >
> >--Even better is the Subaru SVX, a two-door GT coupe.  It is Subaru's
> >
> >--The Mercedes 300E is another choice, if you want to spend $50K, but the  
> >  Audi V8 4.2 or the Audi S4 is a better bet for that kind of money.
> 
> Aamir's recommendations are excellent. I might also add that the Legacy is
> available with an unblown 130 bhp variant of the flat four.
> 
> Were you to shop in Canada, the BMW 325iX and Volkswagen Passat syncro G60
> would also meet your criteria.
> 
   
 You didn't mention what class of car and intended use (ie family car or a
GT used for long trips or short, etc)

    You can also add to that the mitsubishi galant VR4, the camry all trac.
  cheap family sedans

 If your looking for something sportier but still comfy try the misubishi
3000GT or the celica all trac or the eclipse talon twins.
     
  
 



James Mielo
Rutgers College of Pharmacy '94
milo@dorm.rutgers.edu

 owner of a now fixed 1990 GTi 8v
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 03:37:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Mercury Capri
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

| >I would be interested to hear about what people think of
| >the Australian-made convertible Ford Capri that is marketed in the
| >USA under the Mercury label. Is it popular with young or old ? Do
| >you see many on the roads ? Enough power ? Or your grandmother
| >said she wouldn't be seen dead in that crappy little shitster.
| >
| >responses to mick@lis.rch.unimelb.edu.au
|
| I live in So. Calif and if I see one of these on the road in
| any given week, it's a lot. It's such a nothing anonymous looking
| little design... each time I see one I think to myself "what 
| is that? Oh yeah.. one of them new Capris." Invariably they're
| being driven by young women, way too fast for the current road
| conditions, weather, traffic, etc. 
|
| Harv

Over here, this is the model advertised as the most popular/best selling 
convertible in the US.  If you believe a Ford advert, then the US is mainly 
populated by young women :-).  

lawrence
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Big Three Efforts to Fight Rust?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 03:58:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Have the big three automakers REALLY been improving the corrosion
protection on their cars in the last 5 years or so?

I've been seeing a lot of ad hype on print and on TV about how "this"
company is using more galvanized steel while "that" company is using more
non-metal composite material in an effort to fight rust.  But does it
really make a difference in the rust belt states come winter time?

Has any one automaker taken an innovative lead in making a more rust
resistant car, or are they all about the same?
-- 
                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
                         --------------------
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Elvis in HotDogMobile!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) writes:
xI saw something very interesting this afternoon on campus.
xAn Oscar Meyer Mobile pulled up in front of a dorm!
xHas anyone ever seen one for real, or is it just the fact that
xI'm a young'n and wouldn't remember such a thing from the past?
xI do remember a car magazine article roadtesting one of these
xhowever.  Sounds like excellent group transportation!
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, if you and your friends are *Weenies*. I wouldn't *relish*
driving one. It's too slow. Probably couldn't *ketchup* to a
pedestrian. I understand the handling doesn't cut the *mustard*
either. Might even *roll* over.
x
xAdam
xawds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
x
>--
>                'Fast...
>                                ...what to drive '

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David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: hit and run accident
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:30:42 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.190109.17162@unocal.com>, stsshol@st.unocal.COM (Herb Lam) writes:
|> 
|> My girlfriend was involved in a hit and run accident couple months
|> back.  Her light had just turned green so she started to make a left.
|> A pickup ran a red light had hit her front left end.  At first, the
|> two men claimed that it was her fault, but a couple behind the pickup
|> was nice enough to stop and said that the pickup ran a red light.  
|> The two men then said they had no license or insurance and walked away 
|> from the accident, leaving the pickup there.  [Funny story here is that 
|> the woman (newlywed copule) told her husband, "Honey, they're getting 
|> away, go get them."  He just said, "What do you want me to do?"]  
|> 
|> The police haven't caught the guys yet but have the pickup.  My 
|> girlfriend just got her car back recently but had to pay a $500 
|> deductible.  Is there anything she can do to get some of the $500
|> back?  If the police gets lucky and catch the guys (the guys left 
|> their name tags from work and car registration in the pickup, though 
|> the pickup may not be theirs), should she prosecute?
|> 
|> Thanks for any comments.

She might be able to file suit, but probably not for $500. That would most
likely fall into small claims court, but from the sound of this it may be
more hassle than it's worth trying to get any money out these bozos.
From: hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:39:53 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Dec15.040950.23327@julian.uwo.ca> morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>In article <1gj56rINNkm0@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>>In article <92349.151334CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>>We are thinking of selling our 4 x 4 truck, and Prelude Honda auto. And buying
>>>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides nice
>>>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
>>>Audi does who else.
>>
>>--Subaru makes the Legacy Sports Sedan and Touring Wagon.
>>--Even better is the Subaru SVX, a two-door GT coupe.
>>--The Mercedes 300E is another choice, if you want to spend $50K, but the  
>>  Audi V8 4.2 or the Audi S4 is a better bet for that kind of money.
>
>Were you to shop in Canada, the BMW 325iX and Volkswagen Passat syncro G60
>would also meet your criteria.


Every Audi is available with the Quattro drivetrain.  This is a sophisticated
Torsen diff AWD system.  I think list price for an Audi 90 Q is about $32k

Other that the ones above :

2 door, there is the Toyota Celica All-Trac Turbo (200hp, too heavy, overpriced)
     or the Mitsubishi Eclipse/Plymouth Laser/Eagle Talon
     or the Isuzu Impulse RS (same basic design as Geo Storm, but with 160bhp, awd)

4 door, the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 (4 dr. version of the Eclipse.  Nice std. features)

and used, you could get an American sold BMW 325iX (Canada has different emmisions
                                                    laws, which might affect your
                                                    ability to register the car)
          the Mazda 323 GTX (Rare, only sold in US for two years -- great for rallying)

          and there are plenty of used Audi Quattros, a nice mid-eighties 4000Q
              would be Real Cheap.

-hagger
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:02:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <184623@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.132437.12886@bsu-ucs> 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>>	I agree with the decision.  I factory only builds cars 
>>for about half the year.  I also think that the Corvette and 
>>F-bodies should all be councelled.   There is very little demand
>>for sportscars, that aren't fuel-efficient (All 3 cars usually
>>have V-8 engines).  The General should conentrate on family cars
>>and compact cars.  The F-Bodies and Corvettes are a waste of time
>>and money !!!!
>>B. Daneils
>
>
>   Boy.  This "B.Daneils" person really ought to be more careful
>   about leaving their terminal unattended.  
>
>   Otherwise readers of this board are likely to consider them a
>   total jack-ass for making statements like that on a board named
>   "rec.autos".   
>
>   Back to alt.eco-nazi, alt.ralph-nader-lover, or soc.twirp where
>   you belong.
>
>
It's funny you should mention Ralph Nader. I once heard hime speak on
the safety of cars and he said car names conjure up images of the driver
driving in an unsafe manner and the cars being dangerous. Ha! In particular
he mentioned Maurauder(sp?). I instantly took offense of course. I would
rather be involved in an accident in a Lambo anyDAY!! over some of these
submicro tin cans that the DOT or whoever is telling us are safe because
the pass the US safety standards. So much for consumer watchdog. BTW the
corvette has strayed too far from the original concept of a light cheap
overpowered alternative to the naval counterpart into a boat anchor.
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:21:02 GMT

In article <8f=VQ4e00WBLQ2pHET@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Sounds like deja vu!  Back in 1970 I bought an Audi 100LS in its first
>model year.  BIG mistake.  EVERYTHING, and I mean literally EVERYTHING
>went wrong with it.  Here's a partial list, from what I haven't managed
>to block out of my memory after 20 years:
...
>Ever since my 100LS experience I've avoided Audi's like the plague --
>despite their seemingly high quality/cost ratio and many testimonials
>about how much they've IMPROVED over the years.  Forget it.  They had
>their chance with me.
...
>I'm sorry about all your problems, but not surprised.  It's just the
>"100" living up to it's proud heritage!

that was 1970.  by the same yardstick, if you had had a '70s era
honda civic (total rustbucket piece of junk), you'd never buy
a new civic because it's such a piece of junk.

-teddy