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From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gryphon
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:30:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <1992Nov3.211716.22553@dazixco.ingr.com> avdh@sunnyboy.dazixco.ingr.c
om (Alain van der Heide) writes:
>In article <1d64tkINN9ib@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Ma
rtino Jr) writes:
>> How could I forget!  I also got a Gentle Giant CD- Playing the Fool.
>>
>> What can I say?  This group sounds like nothing I've heard before,
>> [well deserved praise of GG deleted]
>God, now I have this overwhelming desire to dig out my old GG vinyl!  Has
>anyone ever seen "Free Hand" or "Glass House" (NOT to be confused with "Glass
>Houses" by Billy Joel (r) (What kind of self important twit registers his
>name as a trademark?) on CD?

Free Hand is on CD, Glass House isn't.

>Also, does anyone else besides me remember a band called Gryphon from about
>the same era?  The were a little reminiscent of GG, but relied more on
>baroque and early classical chamber music for their influences.  I would
>love to track down some of their stuff on CD - if it exists :(

The first 4 Gryphon are on CD.  They are just a fantastic band, in
some ways better than GG (maybe cuz they're instrumental...)

-Mike
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:27:44 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yes mailing list

The new address for NFTE (Notes from the Edge, the Yes mailing list) is

j.anbinder@cornell.edu

Has anyone here recieved a new issue of late? I haven't gotten one in almost
a month, ever since Mike Borella's last issue as editor (Thanks Mike!)

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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                   The American University ----- Jvi on IRC
            "Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
                         --Rush,  "Grand Designs"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: fgomez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Faustino J. Gomez)
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant CD question - botched discs?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:31:16 GMT

In article <LAMOUR.92Nov10133814@gong.mitre.org> lamour@gong.mitre.org (Michael Lamoureux) writes:

>	_Three Friends_ on Columbia has the _Gentle Giant_
>album cover.  Also, the 6th song starts in the middle of the 5th
>track!!  This is annoying.  I've been very tempted to buy the import
>of this one for this reason alone.  (The import also has the right
>cover)
>
>Michael
>lamour@mitre.org
 
    Not necessarily the wrong cover given that the original U.S. release
of _Three Friends_, on vynil, had the _Gentle Giant_ cover.  Also, the 
Roger Dean graced _Octopus_ has been available for a while (JAP?).

-- Faustino Gomez

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: David Sylvian's Gone to Earth
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:24:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.201802.17186@husc3.harvard.edu>  
verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> 
> So there is
> unique case of Fripp's album with Fripp's vocals (another
> one is God Save The Queen where he says something at the
> end of the song with trumpets and tourism-socialism-hololalism).
> 

Isn't that David Byrne?

> take a convencional song, wash it with frippertronic and you get
> something genuine to the point of being unlistenable.

Well I wouldn't call it "unlistenable" but it is unique.

Gordon
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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: It Bites
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:16:12 GMT
	<1992Nov6.183502.27988@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
	<1992Nov6.204552.23980@cunews.carleton.ca>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca's message of 6 Nov 92 20:45:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.204552.23980@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

   In article <1992Nov6.183502.27988@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang) writes:
   >In the FAQ I saw this band listed in the first few lines. I've seen this band's
   >albums in most of the used vinyl shops I frequent, but never knew that they
   >were considered progressive nor did I bother to buy an album and listen to
   >it. Would anyone care to offer a description as to what they sound like and
   >how they fit in to the progressive scene ????

   Having had the distinct displeasure of seeing It Bites live in
   addition to hearing a couple of their albums, I can say without
   doubt that this band has the most fitting name of any group in
   the history of rock. 

   As for your other question, they fit into the progressive scene
   the way David Duke fits into a NAACP meeting.

Here we go again...

Although It Bites perhaps should not be mentioned in the first few
lines of the FAQL, Anil's posting is, as you might expect, full of
hyperbole.

If you like Saga, or 90125, you might really enjoy It Bites.  I can
think of many worse bands...

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: Wakeman on tour?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:00:49 GMT

chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.131121.12800@zoo.bt.co.uk> ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman) writes:

>   Whilst returning from London the other day, I spotted a poster advertising
>   a Wakeman concert, unfortunately the train was just pulling out, so I
>   missed the details.

>   So, does anyone know if Rick is on the road again, and if so, what the
>   tour schedule is?

>Funny, I was going to post this anyway....

>He'll be at the Pavillion in Worthing on or about the 14th of November...

I don't suppose he's planning on comming to the US in the Midwest anytime soon?
(OH please, please,please...)


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From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: King Crimson Beginner
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:19:05 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <9u2oTB3w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>> I thought Islands was their only decent album before Bruford et al joined
>> (Larks Tongue and onwards).
>
>  Very interesting.  But you can't deny "Schizoid Man."

Sorry, I'm not into heavy metal:-) If you like something heavy try "Ladies
of the Road" on Islands. Heavy but a bit more subtle(!?!).

> And I think 
>Lizard is sort of fun to listen to- it's the only KC album where it seems 
>beyond Fripp to control what's going on.

I  prefer  Fripp  at  the helm personally. Islands excelled in this respect
as  Fripp  got  in a number of session musicians and practically had a mini
orchestra.  This  album  has  some  good  interplays between musicians, and
even  the  terrible Boz (later in Bad Company!) didn't spoil the day (Fripp
only  lets  him  play  one note over and over again on Fromentera Lady, the
best track on the album).

> Why doesn't anyone release albums like that nowadays?

I'm sure our question is rhetorical, but anyway:

Its  a  very  long  story  about  commercialism  and  increased profits for
record  companies.  Of course their profits went downhill once they stopped
offering  anything  alternative that would sell less than a million copies,
but  they  haven't  caught  onto that yet. Bands like King Crimson or Henry
Cow or Gong wouldn't get anywhere near a recording contract today.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Where can I get Hawkwind: Xenon Codex?
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:12:10 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <10105@pyrdc.UUCP>, craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:
|> I am 99.99% sure that Xenon Codex was released on Engima in the US.

        The Xenon Codex (1988) - Enigma/GWR 7 75407-2

I have seen this as recently as last weekend.  Of course there is the
Japanese import with the really great lyrics :-)  You may have missed it
because it is called The Xenon Code X.

If the original poster needs a copy, send me E-mail and I can give
you an address and a phone number.

Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring)
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:16:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.185241.4160@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)  
writes:
> 
> I see we have got to that time when all the radio stations and
> malls start playing Christmas music. There are not very many
> Christmas rock songs, so I'm kind of surprised no one seems
> to play ELP's Father Christmas (off of Works Vol. II). BTW is this
> off Emerson's Christmas album that was available through Keyboard ?
> Anyone know of other good songs that could be played at Christmas ?

If we talk progressive and related music Squire/White's 'Run with the Fox'
single and Jon Anderson's '3 Ships' album are good for Christmas.

/Magnus Ring

PS. Stiff Little Fingers' version of 'White Christmas' is an non progressive 
    related song that is a must every Christmas.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: squinlan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen V Quinlan)
Subject: The Great Deceiver
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:52:05 GMT

According to the manager at a local music outlet, the release of the
aforementioned live set has been delayed "indefinitely."  Does
anyone have a clue as to the cause of the delay and/or a revised
release date?  Thanks.
From: heydt@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Dr. Seuss)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Rare Yes bootleg  -- For sale
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:06:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	For sale, Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe bootleg entitled
          In The Roundabout.

        Taped from a show in CA circa 1989

              - included Solos by all members
              - has lasting favourites such as "And you and I"
              - long double record on vinyl

     Selling for only....... $16 + $3 Shipping and Handling
     I am willing to ship anywhere, and there is only one of
      these I am selling.
     These records are in nearly mint condition.
     First person to e-mail me gets the record.

     Paul  Heydt
     heydt@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:13:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov05.185241.4160@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
|> 
|> I see we have got to that time when all the radio stations and
|> malls start playing Christmas music. There are not very many
|> Christmas rock songs, so I'm kind of surprised no one seems
|> to play ELP's Father Christmas (off of Works Vol. II). BTW is this
|> off Emerson's Christmas album that was available through Keyboard ?
|> Anyone know of other good songs that could be played at Christmas ?


Happy Xmas (War Is Over) -- John and Yoko
Blue  Christmas  -  Elvis Presley
Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime 

there are so many more
From: stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Crimso: What happened with "USA"???
Keywords: King Crimson
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:43:01 GMT
Organization: IRIT-UPS, Toulouse, France


Hi everyboby!

  I sincerelly would like to know why the CD version of the live in "USA" album
of King Crimson is not available, since "Asbury Park" was mastered to the Crimso
box "Essence of..." (which I've bought in London for a whooping 50 and something
pounds only because of that song)?? Why they haven't mastered the whole album and
delivered the "USA" anyway?? 
  The finest thing about the box though, is the portfolio with the whole Crimso histoty. I've read only the interesting part (for me of course) in that it tells about the 69-74 period. It's hard to believe that Fripp has finished with the Brufford-Wetton formation (and the group itself for years), which was the best configuration of it, based on that story of "small independent units". There must have been another cause. Does anybody has any idea?? I mean, not gossips, real facts... I really cannot underst








and and I doubt someone can...
   I remember that this portfolio was into the "The Youngs Guide ..." I had in vinil. Does anybody know if it is the same as the one in the "Essence of..."? At
the time of "The Youngs Guide..." I haven't read it.

Thanks a lot.

Nilo.
From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Where can I get Hawkwind: Xenon Codex?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:39:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I could not find this CD in London and when I got home I couldn't find
it here.  Is it even available on CD?

Rob

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Worcester, Massachusetts USA         | 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: hedley@welclu.enet.dec.com (Lock up your wildebeest, it's the Rubber Chicken Crew!!)
Subject: Re: PINK FLOYD ???
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:25:16 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.220930.25612@dvorak.amd.com>, jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka) writes...
>I had heard the new album was supposed to come out this
>month, but I've heard nothing since. Anyone have any info???
> 
>Cheers,
> 
>-Jeff-
> 

Last I heard is that Gilmour has no intention of recording any new material in the
immediate future, but Floyd may produce another album eventually.  I can't remember
where I heard this, though, so treat it like any other rumour!

They're supposed to be going on tour early next year.  Personally I think I'll give
it a miss as their recent shows have changed little over the last few years!

Chris.
From: Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: KANSAS (was Re: DREAM THEATER)
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:48:58 GMT
 <djd.721046531@reading>  <100835@bu.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <100835@bu.edu>
jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

> >I've never heard of Kansas, can you tell me a little about them?  Can I get
> >their stuff in the UK?
> 
> 
> I don't see why not, as they were quite big in the States in the
> mid-70s. Look for releases dated about '77. There music is mildly
> progressive, and was my first big interest before I heard Rush
> and Yes...
> 

If you're looking for a good intro, try _Leftoverture_. It's much more
progressive than most of the stuff on _The Best of_, and I feel it
contains some great music.  The other album I particularly like is
_Song for America_. I don't consider myself an expert on Kansas, I just
casually listen to them.
 

Brian K. Sward
Dartmouth College
brian.sward@dartmouth.edu
"Don't ask me
I'm just improvising" - Rush
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From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Subject: Re: RE ADRIAN BELEW
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:24:10 GMT

In article <1dov04INN1l6@skat.usc.edu> sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes:
>In article <REEKES-091192181942@90.10.20.67> REEKES@applelink.apple.com
> (Jim Reekes) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.162744.1132@dct.ac.uk>, mctkew@dct.ac.uk wrote:
>>> 
>>> that is wonderful - I am a big fan of Adrian Belew 
>>
>>Here's some recommendations.
>>
>>Group                         Title                         Year
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Belew, Adrian                 Lone Rhino                    82
>>Bowie, David                  Stage                         78
>>Byrne, David                  The Catherine Wheel           81
>>Harrison, Jerry               Red And The Black             81
>>Jarre, Jean Michel            Zoolook                       84
>>King Crimson                  Disipline                     81
>>King Crimson                  Three Of A Perfect Pair       84
>>King Crimson                  The Compact King Crimson      89
>>Oldfield, Mike                Earth Moving                  89
>>Sakamoto & Scott              Once In a Lifetime            82
>>Zappa, Frank                  Tiny Nightmares II            77 boot leg
>>Zappa, Frank                  Leatherette                   78 boot leg
>>Zappa, Frank                  Sheik Yerbouti                79
>>Zappa, Frank                  You Can't Do That On Stage I  88
>Armatrading, Joan (w/ Tony Levin)       The Key
>Bears, The (w/ former Raisins) 
>Bowie, David                            Lodger
>Raisins, The                            Adrian produced at least one of
>                                        their records (out of print)
>
>Talking Heads                           Fear of Music
>Talking Heads                           Remain in Light
>Zappa, Frank                            Baby Snakes (video)

Let's add:
Talking Heads				Live 1977-82(not on cd)
Laurie Anderson				Mr. Heartbreak
Robert Palmer				(a live album from early 80's)
(ok, Adrian's only on one cut-a french studio cut no less, but it's the
best cut on the album)
---
Also, for your info, Adrian's Band in the late 70's and early 80's was
called "Ga-Ga". I saw them in Springfield Illinois a few times. WOW!

>        Did Adrian play on the Byrne/Eno "Bush of Ghosts" album?
I believe this is true.
>        We now return to your regularly scheduled Zappa program.

Anyone,like me, think Frank should have a cabinet postion in MR. CLINTON'S
government? Maybe he should babysit Tipper..

-benj
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:09:11 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <malcolm.721598672@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
 
|And how about Mahavishnu John McLaughlin's "Can't Stand Your Funk" on 
|the lp Visions Of The Emerald Beyond? That's one of my favorite funk
|tunes, along with "Are You The One" from Electric Guitarist.  
|
|How about Brand X? Percy's gotta be one of the funkiest bassists I can 
|think of. How about some of the stuff Jannick Top has guested on? I've
|got French lp where he plays cello, and it's a mix of symphonic fusion and 
|funk, with tracks like Heliofunk. How about Jade Warrior's Waves, featuring
|Steve Winwood, on side two where they break into a really funky part that
|sounds like it's underwater? Ever heard Rupert Hine and John Perry in 
|Quantum Jump? Some of their work is realy funky and borrows heavily from 
|New Orlean's musician/composer/producer Allen Toussaint.  
|
|I don't see why folks seem to get so uptight about categorizing music and 
|overly concerned about what gets discussed where. Sure, it looks like
|the guy probably posted to the wrong group, or maybe he was intentionally
|trying to start a flame war after seeing how fun the recent Porno For Pyros
|thread was. Oh well. He got me thinking, and there's certainly an element
|to this thread that I see as relevant to this group - I'd be hard pressed
|to define funky, but I don't think the terms funk and progressive are 
|mutually exclusive unless you want to define prog rock as just Asia, Yes, 
|Genesis and ELP... 

Thought I'd add a couple more.  The definition of progressive rock is 
fairly broad.  Since the inception of alt.music.progressive I've kind of
cringed when someone writes "Progressive rock.  You know, groups like
Yes, ELP, Genesis, and Marillion.  There are so many different sounds in
the progressive rock arena.  When progressive rock leans towards that
fusion side is where I find it starts to get funky.  Malcom already mentioned
Mclaughlin and I thought about one of my favorite albums in my collection,
Billy Cobham and George Dukes collaboration for a live album.  There is
some really funky stuff in there.  How about Cobhams first album, Spectrum?
Another group that has been discussed here quite a bit is Passport.   There
is quite a bit on Cross-Collateral,  Looking Thru, Iguacu, and Infinity
machine that is both funky and progressive.  I could get more obscure.

-- 
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| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: My Lodon experience: Gentle Giant
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 14:41:57 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov4.122705.26030@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.211716.22553@dazixco.ingr.com> avdh@sunnyboy.dazixco.ingr.com (Alain van der Heide) writes:
>>Has
>>anyone ever seen "Free Hand" or "Glass House" (NOT to be confused with "Glass
>
>I have the CD of _Free Hand_.  It was distributed by a Canadian company
>whose name escapes me at the moment.  I don't have the vinyl version so
>I can't make a comparison between the two formats.  However, IMO, this
>CD's high-end is very muddy.  Does anyone know if this is this the case 
>with the vinyl format as well?
>

I have the CD as well.  Mine was distributed by Cema Special Markets
and One Way Records.  It's reference number is CDL-57338..
(I happened to have it at work with me when I read this :-) )

>>
>>Also, does anyone else besides me remember a band called Gryphon from about
>
>I saw Gryphon as a warm-up act for Yes during the _Relayer_ tour.  They're
>probably the best, obscure warm-up act I've ever seen.  I'll never forget
>their front man bassoonist.  What a show!  As with Alain, I'd also like to
>know if any of Gryphon's CDs are available.
>

A whole bunch of the Gryphon CDs are available, including 2 new compilation
disks covering their whole career.  I am still trying to find them, as the
local Tower has the order numbers, but they aren't in stock.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ralph Marrone


-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"