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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:13:00 EST
From:         JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The War Between the Jasons

In article <tfilt318647@drew.edu>, Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET> writes:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:31:00 EST JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET said:
>
> Barron v. Baltimore??  Never heard of it!!  Tell me more!

no need since Jamie already did.  It was 1833, not the 1820s (I should
of kept my reference materials at hand).
>
> Well, first of all, I will be the first to say that secession was wrong.

than why did we do it from England?

> Really????  I am going to have to check this out.  But the constitution
> also says that no state shall be deprived of its equal representation
> in the Senate.  (Art 5, I think, the same one that deals with amendments
> to the Constitution)

Article V pertains to amendments.

>> the 13th amendment was ratified and accepted by enough states before
>> military reconstruction; don't know about Southern states, but even
>> they accepted its tenets with their defeat.  The 14th was a
> OK--I will accept that--how about Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and
> Missouri--did they ratify the Amendment?

at least one or two of them did, forgot which -- probably Maryland and
Missouri did

> Quite simply--the Civil War was fought to save the Union.  The Emanci-
> pation Proclamation was a war tactic.

the latter is true, but by the end of the war slavery was surely at
issue too, even the South agreed that slavery was defeated with the
Southern armies in 1865 -- most of it accepted the 13th amendment.
But, the people of the North wanted more than simple freedom of
slaves, they wanted them to have certain rights and that too was a
goal by the end of the war.  To protect these rights, the 14th
amendment came into play with the additional idea that the United
States was a country not a collection of mostly independent states --
a strong union was another result of the war and the 14th showed that
too.  The Civil War had many aims: slavery, union, and deciding the power
of the states in regard to the federal gov't were the most visual, and
the North won deciding all three.

> cations.  I'm still wondering whether anybody sued about this...if not,
> then I accept that the statute of limitations makes the amendments
> valid--if so, then what did the courts say?

Article IV Sec. 4 speaks of guaranteeing every state a Republican Form
of Gov't.  The 14th and 15th did this by giving the blacks citizen
rights as people in republican gov'ts have.  The South also was a
defeated region and committed treason against the United States and
Congress has the right to punish treason.  The courts didn't have
power over the Reconstruction (prepare to be shocked) for the Congress
has power to decided the court's power and limited here.
>

> So one need not go to school with other races to be equal to them,
> right?
> -Travis

ok, let me get this straight: you are comparing unisex bathrooms with
uniracial ones?  or maybe school and bathrooms?  do you perhaps see a
difference between Jack and Jill going to the toilet together and Jack
(white) and Jill (black) going to school together? NO?  Can't help you
then.
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