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From: jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The rec.arts.{comics.}manga wars continue
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:50:19 GMT
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In article <-+sjr1@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>I've bunched together a handful of replies here to save people time.
>
[excerpts delted]

I know that some of you might be interested in this discussion, and might
not have the time to read news.groups.  But please do not read summaries
of the discussion.  I'm not doubting the integrity of Lazlo Nibble, but
he is defending one side vs the other, and I'm sure inevitably a biased
point of view will arise from this.  

So, if you feel this is an important issue, please read the ongoings
on news.groups.  If you do this, we all welcome your vote.

One thing that should be avoided is a flame war in r.a.comics about
topics which belong in news.groups, so maybe these types of posts
should be discouraged in r.a.comics also.  If things need to be discussed,
I feel the proper forum is news.groups.


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From: marier@blkcmb.zso.dec.com (Shawn Del Marier)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:58:02 GMT

In article <rs5flINNvv@lisa.cs.widener.edu> poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole) writes:
>
>What about Colossus' brother Mikhail.  He is still living in the
>Mansion right...and his power is to release energy right.
>
Spolier


Mikhail is going to be the new leader of the Morlocks, so I doubt he will
turn out to be traitor.  I've got 20 bucks that says that we never find
out who the traitor is, as bishop has changed the marvel time line (they
love doing this).

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From: joev@crow.ugrad.ee.ufl.edu (Joseph Versagg)
Subject: Re: The Shadow
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:25:00 GMT

Does anyone know what the deal with the Helfer/Baker SHADOW is? The series stopped just as the Shadow and his arch enemy were to mix it up. The issue(#20 if memory serves) was promised over and over. Has it come out in the last 12 months?

C'Ya 
Joe
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From: adchen@flower.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:07:16 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr10.075955.28465@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it) writes:
>lose faith, in whatever skills I had believed spidey to possess. I think
>that maybe there should be a series where he loses his spider sense for a 
>whole bunch of issues and has to learn some real defensive skills.  What do

Actually, Spidey has lost his spider-sense before.  I don't have any
issue numbers, but I know the Hobgoblin has a spray that knocks out his
spider-sense for significant time periods (i.e. many hours-days).  Without 
his spider-sense he got into a lot of tight spots, but he also got out due to
his speed and strength (hmmm, sounds like an X-rated movie 8-).

Unless of course....all this has been retconned...8-)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:45:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.214541.1117
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <5318@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
>
>>. . . I'd throw in my 0.02 worth.
>>
>>Then, I'll start getting talent back. Beg Walt Simonson to work for
>>Marvel, offering him whatever title he wants. If he wants the FF back,
>>then he can ignore all of the crap DeFalco was responsible for. 
>
>YES! YES! YES! YES!  this is worth $1,000,000.00 alone.

To preserver continuity, you could claim that, during DeFalco's time, all
of the FF had been replaced by Skrulls! :)
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Jayembee retires from r.a.c.
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1992Apr13.230227.1514@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
>Jerry has been active (boy, has he been active...) in r.a.c. for at least 6
>years, probably longer

Almost 10, maybe more.

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From: ace@lacey.cs.mcgill.ca (Arthur CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The X-Men Files #3 (140-149)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr15.192902.20606
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <11207@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick  
Jones) writes:
> 
> 	Someone pointed out that I'm not really annotating the X-men,
> so I changed the name to the X-Men Files.  (Happy now?)
> 	[I'm not changing the name again, sports fans.]
> 

Awww.  I was thinking that X-Men Chronicles was a neat title.
Anyways, keep up the the X-Men "Chronicles".  I, for one,
appreciate and enjoy them very much.

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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DOLLMAN THE MOVIE?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:11:51 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


The movie Dollman is a Science Fiction/Adventure flick about
a cop from another world who chases a criminal to earth.

Due to the mechanism of their travel (my guess) they are
much smaller in size than the population of Earth.

Lots of guns and shooting - closer to the Punisher than
the Quality Hero Dollman owned by DC.  There is a set
of comics based on the show but I do not remember
the publisher (not Marvel or DC).

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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Starblaze: Wagner: Magebooks
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Two questions about ancient history that were
 probably raised + forgotten long ago:

Starblaze Graphics compiled Mage into three 
 large graphic novels, covering issues 1-5,
 6-11, + 12-15.  

1) Why did they choose such odd breakpoints?
 The story was written in four distinct parts,
 very simply 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-15.  Why not
 follow suit?

2) Why does Starblaze use that "too wide to 
 fit in a magazine bag" format for its GNs?
 Lopping off just 1/4th inch from the side
 margins would have been enough.
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From: poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:20:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: lisa.s2fvfINN8v6
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
Keywords: 


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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Return of the JSA!!!Oh no...
Date: 9 Apr 1992 22:25:35 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr9.110552.4913@ac.dal.ca> ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
>   yeah right. I know if I were a supervillain fighting the JSA, the first
>thing I'd do is extend their lives and health! I don't know when this occurred,
>but it has to be one of the stupidest ideas ever. Course, we all know how
>the ol' 'life extending' part of many superheroes' powers will allow them to 
>stay in their twenties while many generations turn into worm food.

	Actually, what happened was that either Spectre or Dr Fate hit
Ian Karkull with some sort of magic whammy and he exploded.  Since
Karkull had absorbed 'life energy' off of others, the energy was 
released in the explosion, and the people standing nearby (the JSA
plus various SO's) absorbed it.  Sorry if I made it sound like he
did it on purpose.

>    I know I'm in the minority here, but I didn't mind the Last Days exit
>of the JSA. I would rather have had them simply retire, but this solution
>wasn't bad. While I loved the JSA, especially in ALL Star Comics in the
>seventies, they are just to fucking old!  Not too mention that the
>whole return will probably be handled badly......

	Well, thanks to John Ostrander, when they get out of Ragnarok,
they'll be much younger (in their 50's or something, so they won't
be spring chickens, but they won't be in their 70's and 80's like they
should).

>   They really screwed up this royally. Hawkworld wasn't bad (the mini series),
>but why couldn't they simply have had this new Grim n' Gritty (tm) Hawk team
>take over the place of the original Thanagarian Hawks? 

	Beats me.  I can't understand why they did it either.
I thought Hawkworld was supposed to be a Hawkman:Year One.
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Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 16:58:45 CDT
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
 <1992Apr13.094932.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>
 <1992Apr14.131627.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>
 <1992Apr14.201056.6837@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>


>Andrew Farrel(afarrell@maths.tcd.ie)
>>I've only been reading X-thingies since X-Men #1 (the second) So this is all
>>IMHO, but the sooner they get rid of the Walkin' Talkin' Ahcent the better.
>>^L
>>Shugah.
>
>HEY RUBE!!!
>This is a call to all RFCers and defenders of the SOUTH everywhere(this means o
>you too DAUM)
>
>Let's flash fry this dude!!!!
>---------------SCAVENGER

Now, now, now, Scavenger. Down boy, down! There's no need to be testy. That's
it... that's a good boy... what do you say now?...

>(I've been up all night workin' on a paper, so I'm feelin' a little vicious-  r
> sorry)

Good boy. Room enough in this world not to flame those people who don't like
Rogue. We'll just lie in ambush and bug'em. :-)

:-)


>>>>>  CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil?  <<<<<
In related news:  George Bush is the Anti-Kate. Details at 11.
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC:  92 Preview
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:42:59 GMT

In article <11149@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
> In article <9204082251.AA03700@lynx.frame> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
> >Gary Lewandowski (lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
> >>Peter Cannon-Thunderbolt
> >>[he] learned how to use 100% of his mental capacity,
> >New Teen Titans #2.  Ravage.  The Terminator's son.  Burned himself out.
> 	Well, from everything I've heard about Thunderbolt, he's a 
> Remo Williams clone  (uses a mystical martial art to harness 100% of

Um, guys...Thunderbolt could perhaps be called an Ozymandius clone.

Or rather, Ozymandius could be called a Thunderbolt clone. Thunderbolt was one
of the super-heroes done by Charlton in the 60s and later bought by DC, just
like Blue Beetle, Question, Captain Atom, Nightshade, and Peacemaker, to name
the others who Watchmen were altered dopplegangers of.

The basic abilities of the character were established in the 60s, long before
Ravage, Deathstroke, and either before or pretty much the same time as Remo
Williams. 

Thunderbolt also appeared very briefly in the Crisis issue set on Earth-4.
Jay-Flash stopped him from running into a wall of anti-matter.

"Instead, you and I became the cornerstones of the Brotherhood of Evil! An
empire of crime such as I'd dreamed of back in the old school, when the other
children used to laugh at me because I was a brain in a tank." --The Brain
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:09:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I haven't read everything PAD has done, far from it.  But I guess the best
stuff that I have read of his were the few issues before Hulk #377, where he
was exploring the split Grey/Green/Banner personalities.  I also many of
the Grey Hulk issues, especially one in particular, where the Grey Hulk and
Betty reconcile their differences.  Unfortunately, I'd have to say that the
first few issues after the Hulk became green again were rather lackluster.  I
just don't like the Pantheon at all (a cheap man's Avengers), and the Hulk was
rather unlikeable.

The recent Hulk issues have picked up slightly, but not to the level of the
Grey issues...


Make Mine Grey!

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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:42:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >Actually, the plan was that with the first issue of the new format, they would
 >release 5 different versions.  Same cover, different insides.  
 >
 >Sounds familiar?
 >
 >sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate)

for cryin' out loud, it was a *joke*!  don't EVER take groo so seriously.

ok
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From: m107a-ag@euler.Berkeley.EDU (m107a student)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Comics and Politics (was Re: Presidents in comics)
Summary: philosophical claptrap
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:47:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <1992Apr2.011219.20584@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.001202.10586@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> crew@CS.Stanford.EDU (Roger Crew) writes:
>
>So, what's the net.opinion on the subject? Is the comics
>industry dominted by liberals or conservatives?  
>

Well, since I'm days behind on this group (When is that split gonna happen?)
I don't know how relative this is or who cares, but ...

I think that most comics, esp. Marvel and DC are would be considered liberal
overall.  If for no other reason than this:  Somewhere way back when, I took
a poli sci class which delinated liberals from conservatives by in terms
of definition.  I don't claim to remember all the details, but one
thing I do remember is that liberals generally believe (by definition) that
people are "good" while a conservative does not.  Basically I think by "good"
I think that human nature is basically altrusitic while a conservative would
believe people are basically self-seeking.  I think the overall theme, esp.
in super-hero comics is that the "good" is a more powerful force in the 
universe and that it will prevail always.
  This was especially true in
silver age DC comics (some JLA issues with Red Tornado stand out in my mind).
However, nowadays, many super-hero comics have degenerated into violent,
nearly mindless stories which make me wonder if the creators in todays
comic industry hold these somewhat idealistic beliefs (as they may be more
motivated by their wallets).  

Just some ramblings of a nearly burnt out student....

Jim Dinda
U C Berkeley
From: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Abortion in Comics
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:20:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12055
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Hello,
	Considering all the hoopla in the Supreme Court over the most
recent attempt by pro-lifers to recall the rights of a woman to choose
if she is to have a baby.  I was wondering if at any time in comic history
did the topic of abortion ever come up.  I have very strong doubts that
Marvel would have the guts to ever bring up this sensitive topic but
maybe a more gutsy/desperate publisher may have.
	It would appear as if the time is ripe for mature topics like this
to appear in the comic media.  For instance: I have been noticing an
increasing sense of awareness in some comics over the topics of AIDS and
homosexuality.  Or it may be that these particular topics are "politically
correct" now and can be discussed openly and/or the topic of
abortion sparks just too much anger that no publishers would want to please 
half of their audience just to anger the other half.
	Just a thought...  Please no flames.  This post is just for info
about the topic and is not intended to justify or condemn abortion.

					Thanks,
					Mike Oda
					fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

PS. Thanks to those that responded so positively to my Best/Worst PAD
    question post.

==============================================================================
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So please don't tell him.		 |  fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
==============================================================================
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:27:15 CST
From:         X82217GB@WUVMD
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: DC: Michelinie (was General Editorial plans for '92)
Newsgroups:   rec.arts.comics

I said:
>
>Before (Micheline) made a name for himself at Marvel, he'd already spent
>a few respectable years at DC as the regular writer on the Aquaman revival
>in Adventure Comics (which was strong enough to revive Aquaman's own
>title for awhile) ...

Those who enjoy McLaughlin and Hooper's work on the current Aquaman
revival should check out the 1970's run from Micheline.  It was begun
in _Adventure_ by Paul Levitz and finished by Micheline on into the
revived _Aquaman_ title (which took up its numbering from the original
Haney/Cardy/Aparo/Skeates series).  Jim Aparo was the artist.

Not sure of the numbers for either the _Adventure_ issues or the _Aquaman_
issues, though the _Adventure_ run started immediately after the Fleisher/
Aparo Spectre series.

ANYHOW:  Micheline and Levitz' storyline ended with Black Mantis murdering
Arthur, Jr. and set-up many of the events currently covered by the latest
series.

Good stuff.  And probably not all that expensive as back-issues, either.

                               --GRB
From: c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it)
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.190716.1288@Princeton.EDU> adchen@flower.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:
>Actually, Spidey has lost his spider-sense before.  I don't have any
>issue numbers, but I know the Hobgoblin has a spray that knocks out his
>spider-sense for significant time periods (i.e. many hours-days).  Without 
>his spider-sense he got into a lot of tight spots, but he also got out due to
>his speed and strength (hmmm, sounds like an X-rated movie 8-).
>
>Unless of course....all this has been retconned...8-)
>
>-Tony Chen
> adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu

 Sure, occassionally he might win a scrap or two without his s-s, but for the
most part, at least what I have read, it seems that he always gets beat. i.e.
Venom.  BTW, has spidey ever really BEAT Venom on his won?  I've seen him 
fake like he was dead, and seen Venom leave because innocents were around, 
but I cant remember spidey really beating Venom to a pulp.  OOPS... tangent.
  Getting back to the no spide-sense thread, my main idea for this was to 
have spider-man lose it once again, and after barely getting himself out 
of another pounding, realize that he is just TOO damn dependent on his s-s,
and decide to do something about it.
  Also since it seems he knows enough about his s-s that he can make his
spider tracers work by triggering it, maybe he can just remove it himself,
and go practice on some thugs.  You know, the ones he usually beats up for
info on latest city menace.

Just some more of MY thoughts... is that a disclaimer???

anyway, this has been another discussion with,

Mikel B.