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From: qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat)
Subject: Re: The Problem with UNIX
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:30:59 GMT

mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:

>I've never aliased "rm" to "rm -i", and despise people who do.  The
>few times I've accidentally blown away a file, it was never by
>accidentally rm'ing it; no, it was much more creative than that.

I despise people who despise other people and who think they are
more 'creative' than the rest of the world.

A little more respect might be in place.

It's perfectly legal for a person to wonder why a smart thing like
a computer running unix, costing a few 1000 dollars, doesn't aid
the user in a very basic way.

-- 
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Email: maarten.landzaat@fel.tno.nl	      1012 SV  Amsterdam
Phone: +31 20 6266098			      The Netherlands
From: alan@ssd.ukpoit.co.uk (Alan Barclay)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Posix??????
Keywords: help me
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:21:03 GMT
Organization: iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office

In article <74976@hydra.gatech.EDU> rm72@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce McCullough) writes:
> An indepedent effort to define a standard operating system environment was
>begun in 1891 by usr/group, an organization made up of UNIX Systems users who
          ^^^^

It might seem so at times, but I think it was actually 1981....
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From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Posix??????
Keywords: help me
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:57:04 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

rm72@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce McCullough) writes:

>>I'm writing a paper on unix, and for the life of me, I can't find out what
>>the heck this POSIX thing is
>
> An indepedent effort to define a standard operating system environment was
>begun in 1891 by usr/group,
          ^^^^

Did I just miss the 100th anniversary of POSIX?


-- 
Claus Tondering
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ct@dde.dk
------------------------------- Why do they never serve pizza on airplanes?
From: ninja@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: 3B2 idtools/maintenance disk...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:07:15 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

 
 I'm looking for a 3B2 idtools/utility/maintenance disk version
 1.XX unix to use to rebuild a crashed 3B2 300/310 harddisk running
 unix version 2.04....
   I'm not looking to buy a whole new version of the operating system
from AT&T, neither am I looking to buy a disk and manual from AT&T
for $170......I may be desperate but I'm not yet insane....
 
  can anyone help me....
 
                          Internet:    Eudoh@sct.edu
                          UUCP:        Ninja@willard.waffle.atl.ga.us
 

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From: ori@marvin.technion.ac.il (Ori Degani)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Interactive vs Background users
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:31:04 GMT
Organization: Heart of Gold Institute

In article <1992Nov13.042252.11811@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au>, anthony@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Anthony Thyssen) writes:
|> aps583@huxley.anu.edu.au (Anthony P Scott) writes:
|> |  The problem is that they are only used
|> | for a small part of the day and certainly not at night. WE wish to
|> | soak up the excess CPU cycles by running GAUSSIAN and other cpu
|> | intensive programs in the background.
|> |
|> | Unfortunately when an interactive user comes along the terminal response
|> | is terrible, they get  upset and we are forced to kill the background
|> | proccess.
|> |
|> If you nice the background process (heavly) you will find that the
|> backgroud program only runs when no other process is available.
|> 
|> IE: instead for running
|> 
|>       gaussian &
|> 
|> run
|> 
|>      nice -15 gaussian &
|> 

  Doesn't this make priority very HIGH?!

|> 
|> This puts the programs prioity very low. so if the machine is not busy
|> it will get run otherwise it will wait until the cpu is free.
|> 
|> 
|>   Anthony Thyssen - (SysProg @ Griffith University)     anthony@cit.gu.edu.au
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>           ``Never argue with a computer.''   --   Avon, Blake's 7
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
   |  ----      Ori Degani
   |  |___      ori@eddie.technion.ac.il   (Ship Computer on the HOG)
   |  |         ori@marvin.technion.ac.il  (Who else) 
   |  ----      s2973229@techst02.technion.ac.il (Ech..)   
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: gavriel@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Gavrielatos)
Subject: Adoptation of Unix in Europe
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:45:22 GMT

I am writing a paper on adoptation of Unix in Europe.

WOuld anyone happen to have any old articles posted here
in this group that could send me via personal mail?

HOw about any books, do you happen to know any?

Any info on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
You can answer to me via personal mail.

Thank you much, 

Nick Gavrielatos
gavriel@socrates.umd.edu

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Posix revisited
Summary: thanks!
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:02:34 GMT



To everyone that responded to my query about POSIX:
Thanks for the info!  It comes in handy knowing what i'm talking about...



-- 
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From: sch@nymph.msel.unh.edu (Shane Hutchins aka Xenos)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
Subject: using the floppy drive on a sparcstation?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:04:01 GMT
Organization: UNH Marine Systems Engineering Lab/Computer Science
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nymph.msel.unh.edu

I'd like allow users to transfer files from the floppy drive on our
Sun4 SPARCstation IPCs to their account.         (/dev/fd0)

Unfortunately, it requires root permissions to mount the thing.

Is there some freeware out there that will allow a user to mount /pcfs
and eject (ie use the damn floppy drive) without root access.

Thanks for your help...
-- 
  -Shane C Hutchins
     sch@unh.edu
From: mxj4754@hertz.njit.edu (The Ace from Dubai)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Computer systems and stuff going real cheap... Read now!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:19:27 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: mxj4754@hertz.njit.edu




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From: rm72@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce McCullough)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Posix??????
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:20:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>>I'm writing a paper on unix, and for the life of me, I can't find out what
>>>the heck this POSIX thing is
>> An indepedent effort to define a standard operating system environment was
>>begun in 1891 by usr/group,
>          ^^^^
>Did I just miss the 100th anniversary of POSIX?

What you missed the party? You didn't get an invitation?
It was a blast!!! The guy with the lamp shade was totally out of hand
and the dancing girls (thats a whole different story). 
I will for the life of me make sure everybody gets an invitation
next time.

Heh has anyone seen my pants? Were is my other sock?
-- 
Robert B. McCullough-Computer Operations Tech.
Registrar Data Systems
Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet: rm72@prism.gatech.edu
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: how much memory do i have??
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:50:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>How about:
>
>	# dmesg | more

Do it quick, before the kernel's message buffer wraps around.... :-)

Or just run "sysinfo", as mentioned in the FAQ; it sucks all sorts of
interesting information out of your system.
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From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r3
Subject: Sockets on SYS V
Keywords: sockets, sysV
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:36:20 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

I have a desperate need to support the use of Berkeley
"sockets" under System V.  I am running Motorola's
SysV68 Unix (I know, first mistake).  Is there a way
to simulate (or emulate) sockets with the IPC support?
Or, better yet, is there a stand-alone package (public
domain or otherwise) that I can use to _add_ socket
support to this system?

My client has lots of code which uses sockets which they
would like to port to our system.  Is there a better way
to do this?

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: The Problem with UNIX
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.093952.18999@news.uni-stuttgart.de> skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes:
> I tried to dump the contents of a partition on a DEC Ultrix machine to an
> Exabyte streamer hooked to a SUN under SUN OS 4.1.1. Both machines are
> on the same net and communicate easily using rsh, rlogin, telnet and the
> like. Nevertheless it took me hours and hours of work to find the best
> way to accomplish this task.

That's because NFS is a steaming foetid pile of mature dingo's droppings.
I do this on UNIX all the time, using OpenNET:

	find . -print | cpio -ocvB > //remotesys/dev/rmt0

Or whatever format you want. I also dup disks the same way:

	dd if=//remote/dev/rw1e bs=18k of=/dev/rw1e

NFS problems aren't UNIX problems, they're NFS problems. Would you even
consider attempting this sort of operation under Novell Nightmare on DOS?

Not that there aren't problems, but this isn't one.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Posix??????
Summary: WHAT IS IT????
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:10:50 GMT
Keywords:  help me

HI:

I'm writing a paper on unix, and for the life of me, I can't find out what
the heck this POSIX thing is.  I know it is some kind of standard, but
that's about all I can find (It's funny how these pc mags always foam at the
mouth about it, but never actually say just WHAT it is).

Can anyone out there help??

(pleeeze email responses)

Thanx, 
-Kev


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kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca   |  see and hear, can you?" - Hendrix, 'EXP'
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: Athena Zephyr
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:36:43 GMT

ajs@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alastair Scobie) writes:
}Does anyone know what the status of Athena's Zephyr is? The version
}on athena-dist.mit.edu is 3 years old - have they stopped using it 
}at Athena ?

They are still using -- I just think it hasn't changed much since then.
We use it too -- it's pretty neat.

John
-- 
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Systems Software Engineer
Project Vincent
Iowa State University Computation Center  +  Ames, IA  50011  +  515/294-9551
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: gavriel@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Gavrielatos)
Subject: Adoptation of Unix in Euro[e
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:42:17 GMT

Would anyone happen to know any books to recommend
me for a paper I am writing on Adoptation of Unix
in Europe? How about any old articles that might 
have been published here? If you happen to have any, 
of if you happen tohave any info on the subject(even
suggesting other groups for me to contact) would be
greatly appreciated. (Personal mail would be great)


Nick Gavrielatos
gavriel@socrates.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: fredrick@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Timothy Fredrick)
Subject: Can I ftp a directory tree full of files?
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:13:07 GMT

I am trying to put together an automated backup script that can run on
an UNIX machine.  In order to get files from a MacIntosh, we can ftp files
from that MacIntosh since it has an ftpd program running.  But what I really
want to do is use ftp to copy *all* the files from a MacIntosh hard disk
to a UNIX subdirectory.

Is there a way in ftp to do this -- perhaps with a macro defined by macdef?

I have tried macdump/dumper -- it is a bad solution for a lot of reasons mostly
having to do with System-7 incompatbility.

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.  --Tim

PS - The Mac has no NFS-server capability.
From: 00jlhoyt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Help! in using UNIX
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:28:21 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Can someone tell me how to use the Unix editor?
I am not familiar with Unix but would like to be.  Presently I have been
doing everything in VAX and then transferring it to Unix.
I would appreciate it if someone could give some of the basic commands.

Thanks,

Joann
From: ssanbeg@visual.spk.wa.us (Scott Sanbeg)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Posix??????
Keywords: help me
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:39:41 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

In article <74976@hydra.gatech.EDU> rm72@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce McCullough) writes:
> An indepedent effort to define a standard operating system environment was
>begun in 1891 by usr/group, an organization made up of UNIX Systems users who
        --^^^^

And unlike most collective ventures, this group was able to publish their
papers in *less* than 200 years. <grins>
Scott

 
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From: ajs@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alastair Scobie)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Athena Zephyr
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:19:03 GMT
Reply-To: ajs@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alastair Scobie)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Does anyone know what the status of Athena's Zephyr is? The version
on athena-dist.mit.edu is 3 years old - have they stopped using it 
at Athena ?

Thanks

Alastair Scobie, Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh
     Kings Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH9 3JZ
Tel: 031-650-5178   Internet: ajs@dcs.ed.ac.uk   JANET: ajs@uk.ac.ed.dcs

--
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     Kings Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH9 3JZ
Tel: 031-650-5178   Internet: ajs@dcs.ed.ac.uk   JANET: ajs@uk.ac.ed.dcs
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: georges@zeus.franklin.edu (Steven Lon George)
Subject: MPE, NS, TCP/IP
Organization: Franklin University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:52:45 GMT

Hello there.  What I am wondering relates to the HP UNIX environment.

I am applying for a job under this environment, in a networking
application. The job has some criteria that I am not sure what it means.
I am hoping I can find someone who does. Anyway, the line reads as
follows.?

Must have knowledge of MPE, NS, TCP/IP & Network Components and
Architecture.

What is MPE (Multiplatorm Environment?), and NS.  Has anyone ever heard
these acronyms before.  The interview is on Thursday, so you can answer
by mail at 'georges@zeus.franklin.edu'.  Please notice the plural 
georges with an s.  otherwise, someone else will get the message.

Thanks in advance.

Steve.... 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: sweetman@sea.com (Bill Sweetman)
Subject: how much memory do i have??
Organization: Systems Engineering Associates
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:59:43 GMT

=-=-=
all -

quick question, sorry if its in the FAQ.  how do i tell
how much memory (RAM) is in my SPARC statoin1.
running SunOS 4.1.1.

thanks

-bill
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Programs to create and apply binary patches?
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:23:09 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Nov17.194826.26531@spillman.uucp>, tye@spillman.uucp (E. Tye McQueen) writes:

> [Follow-ups to comp.unix.misc]

That's odd, something's wrong then.  My software ignored your
Followup-To:...I'll have to check it out.

> Any great ideas on how to create a "patch" file of differences
> between two versions of a very large *binary* file (executable) so
> the patch file could be distributed (via modem) and applied to the
> many copies of the old version of the file?

You could always convert both files to text via something like

	while ((c=getchar()) != EOF) printf("%d\n",c);

and run a regular diff on those.  Applying the resulting patch should
be a straightforward (though more complex than the above :) program,
and can be done without needing the textified versions of the binary
files.

But wouldn't it be better to ship over the patches to the source
instead?  Probably not a whole lot larger, much more useful, and you
need to ship 'em anyway to keep the source and binary in sync.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: rm72@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce McCullough)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Posix??????
Keywords: help me
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:39:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>I'm writing a paper on unix, and for the life of me, I can't find out what
>the heck this POSIX thing is.  I know it is some kind of standard, but
>that's about all I can find (It's funny how these pc mags always foam at the
>mouth about it, but never actually say just WHAT it is).
 An indepedent effort to define a standard operating system environment was
begun in 1891 by usr/group, an organization made up of UNIX Systems users who
wanted to ensure the portability of applications. They published a standard in
1984. Because of the magnitude of the job, in 1985 the committee working on
standards merged with the Insttute for Electrical and Electronics Engineers
(IEEE), Project(P1003). The goal of P1003 was to establish a set of American
National Standards Institute (ANSI) standards. The standards that the various
working groups in P1003 are establishing are called Portable Operating System
Interface for Computer Environments(POSIX). Posix will be a family of standards
that define the way apllications interact with the operating system. Among theseareas coverd by POSIX are system calls,libraries,tools,interfaces,verification
and testing,real time features and securtiy. The POSIX standard that has 
received the most attention is P1003.1, which defines the system interface.

 POSIX has been endorsed by the National Institute of Standards and Tech(NIST)
previously known as the National Bureau of Standards (NBS), as part of the
Federal Information-Processing Standard (FIPS). The FIPS must be met by 
computers purchased by the Uniyed Federal government. 

Plainly an IEEE standard that defines requirments for portable UNIX-like
systems.


Yes what a mouthfull but you get the point.  
-- 
Robert B. McCullough-Computer Operations Tech.
Registrar Data Systems
Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet: rm72@prism.gatech.edu
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From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: "find" problem
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:19:14 GMT
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

In article <1992Nov9.054354.9170@ccds3.ntu.edu.tw>, 
r0506048@csman.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Chun-Hung Lin) writes:
|> Hello,
|>  
|>   I found that the UNIX command "find" cannot find the file
|> across the file system, i.e. I cannot find the file on file
|> system B when I am now on file system A. Is it true?
|> If it is true, how can I do this job? Any utility or command
|> is available?

This is definitely not true, in fact there is a switch to turn off this
facility (at least there is under SunOS 4.1.1). You have probably tried
to follow a symbolic link, find unfortunately doesn't follow symbolic
links, I guess that it is too difficult to determine when one is in a
loop. The only alternative to find that I know of is perl. There is a
find to perl script that take a find command and converts it to perl,
you then have a much more powerful environment to work with.

-- 

Michael Salmon

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