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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: CO along the CA coast?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:38:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-haro.i452758
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>My SO and I will be driving up the central CA coast this weekend,
CO beaches and other coastal options
in the area between LA and San Francisco (exclusive). We plan to
hit the coast just north of Santa Barbara, and cruise a bit up
to San Simeon, and back. We're taking four days, and since we're
much more explorers than drivers, it'll take every day of it! :)<

My wife and I just made that trip last week. The CO beach "Pirates Cove"
between the the towns of Pismo Beach and Avila Beach had suffered an oil
spill. Although it was a small spill there was a lot of activity and we
didn't check it out. The beach up near Morro Bay was fine, depends on the
weather.

By the way we stayed at The Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort near Pirates
Cove and just a few miles south of San Luis Obispo, we highly recommend it.
While the grounds are not CO they are certainly pretty. The rooms were
small, but comfortable and each room has a private hot-tub. Hot-tubs are
also available by the hour and are tucked away in little nooks in the
forest. Excelelnt massages can be had as the resort is also a "Body Care
Center" call them at 800-234-5831 and ask for a brochure.

San Luis Obispo is a nice town, lot's of art gallerys and such. you might
call the Chamber of Commerice and ask for some visiters guides, sorry I
don't have aphone number.

-----
Lee Dronick
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From: daltonb@spot.Colorado.EDU (DALTON BRADLEY JAMES)
Subject: CO in Boulder, CO
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:37:20 GMT


Hello, I am new in the Boulder Colorado area. I just moved from Santa
Cruz, California where we had a preponderence of free nude beaches.
Before leaving, I asked for some recommendations of places in Colorado
where I could continue working on a tan-without-lines.

I got a fair number of responses, but most of the places I learned about
were resorts, most too expensive for a starving first-year grad student.

I heard there were a few skinny-dipping spots up the canyon from
Boulder, but no recommendations on how to find them. My girlfriend and I
went in-search-of two weekends ago, but the creek in the canyon seemed
too close to the road for any real nude sunbathing.

Anybody out there got any suggestions for us?


--brad (aka Lizard Man)



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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Fascinating Breasts Indeed
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:59:05 GMT

ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>>clj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Cynthia L. Jorden) writes:
>> 	When it is really humid, I would like to be able to just go around
>> in my shorts like the guys do.  Too bad it's labled indecent exposure.
>
>Now that you know it's OK, you'll go around topfree, right?  Actually,
>I suspect not, for I know that peer pressure is a very powerful thing;
>there are very few people who can overcome their conditioning, or
>the fear that someone might (gasp!) actually laugh or point at them.

>and while I can say and think that, in real life I discover there
>are other controlling forces deep in my gut.

fear of rejection and punishment

>
>Regards,
>Bob
>-- 

Well, it's certainly part of the male archetype to confront fear and master it,
right? And males and females both have access to the male archetype.
The only way to get the life you want is to live it. The only way to overcome
fear is to face it. The only way to get a leering bastard out of your face with
"that's not what other people do" is to say "I'm not other people, so I
wouldn't know."
-ecsd
From: danm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Dan Merget)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:33:34 GMT
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.nude

In rec.nude, kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:

> You people are talking about coed bathrooms, then ask what's wrong
> with urinals. Ha, Ha,
> 
> As men say, we find them quite useful.  My point exactly.  They are only
> useful to men.  Why are you spending money and using up room putting
> a fixture in a coed facility that only 50% of the people can use?

50% of the population is a significant number.  By comparision, a very
small percent of the population is handicapped.  Do you resent the
handicap-only spaces in the parking lots?  (After all, they *could* use
any parking space in the lot; it's just more useful for them to have a
parking space which is closer to the door.)  Your objection sounds like
sour grapes to me.

As to the rationale behind the urinals, let's look at a few items:

  - Based on some quick measurements in a public men's room down the
    hall, a toilet stall is about 2.5 feet by 4.5 feet.  (The handicap
    toilet stall is significantly larger, but that's not important for
    now.)  Each urinal takes up about 1.5 feet by 2.5 feet.  Thus, a
    toilet takes up about as much space as 3 urinals.

  - I go to a restroom to urinate about 2 or 3 times more often than I
    go in to deficate.  For the sake of argument, let's say that the
    average male needs to use the restroom only for urination about 70%
    of the time.  This means that about 35% of the people who go into a
    coed restroom want to head straight for a urinal.

  - Thus, in the same floor space as 7 toilets, we could fit 6 toilets
    and 3 urinals.  33% of the fixtures would be urinals, so the
    restroom could reasonably service 9 people at a time instead of 7.
    The throughput would be shorter and fully 50% of the population
    would find it easier to use.

This was all done by the seat of my pants (so to speak), so I wouldn't
be surprised if there are gaping holes in my argument.  If you disagree
with my premises or my calculations, please respond.

____________________________________________________________________________
 Dan Merget      |  This note does not necessarily represent the viewpoints
 danm@sr.HP.COM  |  of my employers, my co-workers, or my computer.
From: ljd2@gte.com (Leonard D'Alotto)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Coed Bathrooms
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:38:01 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

All this talk about women seeing men at urinals seems kind of funny to
me.  When I was at Providence College, one of the more popular bars had
a mens room with a trough and those little swinging doors.  Since the
bar was always crowded, it was understood that while you were at the
trough you would be visible to a lot of women.  Guys would even talk to
women just outside the door while using the trough.

Also, when I was single and in D.C., there was a club in Georgetown (I
believe it was F. Scott's) that had a female mens room attendant that
sat near the urinals.  Nobody seemed to think much of it.  And it
doesn't seem to be a problem to me.
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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Curiosity (was Re: how about CO in a computer lab??)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:06:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.134416.22207@hubcap.clemson.edu> jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>Good point!  why don't we extend the conversation to both the penice
>(sp? wow I never had to spell it before!)  and the vagina and

Sadly characteristic of just how taboo the sexual organs are in our society.
Even when people are talking about a penis, they try to avoid using the
word.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: bulls@cwis.unomaha.edu (Richie J. Anderson)
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:05:41 GMT


 Kaaren you are worried about using urinals in a coed bathroom 
you wouldn't have any urnials (or just a few) you would proably 
have more toliets than anything.
                         rich

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From: kenm@compctr.ccs.csus.edu (Ken Montgomery)
Subject: Re: Swimsuit-optional hours at the Caltech pool?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.094802.3471@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:

>Living according to the presumed rules of others.
>I agree, it's one of the central reasons there is a status quo.
>"Don't look at me, I didn't make the rules."
>"Yeah? I didn't either."
>So who did?
>Who makes the rules? YOU do. Stand up and be counted.

	So just what DID happen at the Dabney hot-tub a couple of years ago
that made the school crack down? I had a friend that was living in Dabney
hall 2 years ago and she never mentioned anything (hmmm.. perhaps she was
involved).
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: breasts (was: Re: BRA SURVEY)
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:47:57 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell) writes:
>Might it not be the case that overexposure or the wrong or inappropriate 
>exposure to sexual material dulls our capacity for deep and fulfilling sex?  

Not a problem.  But here in rec.nude we already know that.

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From: v024971@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (Robert J. Waddell)
Subject: Re: CO in Boulder, CO
Organization: StorageTek
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003720.13047@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, daltonb@spot.Colorado.EDU (DALTON BRADLEY JAMES) writes:
> 
> Hello, I am new in the Boulder Colorado area. I just moved from Santa
> Cruz, California where we had a preponderence of free nude beaches.
> Before leaving, I asked for some recommendations of places in Colorado
> where I could continue working on a tan-without-lines.
> 
> I got a fair number of responses, but most of the places I learned about
> were resorts, most too expensive for a starving first-year grad student.
> 
> I heard there were a few skinny-dipping spots up the canyon from
> Boulder, but no recommendations on how to find them. My girlfriend and I
> went in-search-of two weekends ago, but the creek in the canyon seemed
> too close to the road for any real nude sunbathing.
> 
> Anybody out there got any suggestions for us?
> 
> 
> --brad (aka Lizard Man)
> 
> 
> 
-- 
Brad,
I live in Longmont, just about 15 miles east of Boulder. I too, have heard
rumers of some CO spots up the canyon but have not been able to locate them.
One was supposed to be up a dead end road called Lost Angel Trail but I haven't
got a clue where that is. A few years back, there was a Boulder City lake just
to the west of the I.B.M. facility called Coot Lake that was sanctioned and
supported by the city. They even supplied life guards and the "obligitory"
police patrols. But Time magazine or Newsweek got wind of it and did an article
on the place, complete with pictures. The Boulder city council thought that
this would give the rest of the world the wrong image of there uprightious city
so after a series of meetings and court experiments they reduced its use to
topfree only, closed the parking area, took out the Port-O-Sans, and got rid of
the lifeguards. I believe you can still use it, but you have to walk in or use
a bike, and probably have to explain your presence to the people from the
Boulder reservoir that will come around to check area for nudies.
If anyone else has information in response to Brads post, please forward the
same to me also.
Thanks





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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Shapes
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:55:10 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep11.21027.6715@ms.uky.edu> thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:
>It's also the reason we like our women to have tiny little waists and 
>the hourglass figure.

	Speak for yourself, please.  
					wr



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From: dking@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Dave King)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:52:33 GMT

In article <geg_7Uy00WDK0_9L4T@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

	... stuff about his favorite soap ...


	All of which has absolutely nothing to do with rec.nude....

--
David C. King - RPI Center for Integrated Electronics
dking@unix.cie.rpi.edu
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From: osberg@blacktusk.ssc.gov (Ted Osberg)
Subject: Re: Topless in Safeway
Organization: SuperConducting Supercollider
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:30:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.210124.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Peter Hoogenboom asks why
health codes often require shirts and shoes in places that sell food.

I'd like to add to that the question of what defines a shirt in these cases. I have seen men asked to leave such establishments for not wearing shirts, but have
never seen a woman asked to leave while wearing halter tops or bikini tops ( except the latter in more formal restaurants, but I suspect that was not related to the health matters.)

Since the purpose of bikini tops (at least) is merely to provide breast coverage
is this intended to imply that naked breasts pose a health hazard???? :>..

Enquiring minds want to know.... :)

Ted Osberg

usual disclaimers apply... 
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From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: how about CO in a computer lab??
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:49:08 GMT

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:

>[ woman in computer lab with shirt buttoned low ]

>Since most computer labs are air conditioned to keep the
>equipment cool, I doubt she did it for purely comfort reasons.
>I don't see this as a 'nude' issue, but it is interesting
>in a way.

Normally i would say yes, however; Clemson Universitoes air conditioning
systme is extemely inadequate and can not be upgraded yet due to budget
problems during the recession.  Several of our labs regularly meet or
exceed 90 degrees and tend to sit in the high 80 degree range all day.
So, in this case, the lab was very hot at the time.

>>I would not
>>say that if women go topless we would be desensitzed to this because as
>>I stated I am in no way desensitized to my wifes chest.

>You're taking one woman with whom you have an intimate
>relationship and deriving everyone's reaction to all women
>everywhere refraining from wearing shirts. 

Good point, had not considered it from that angle.  On the same note,
though my interest in my wife never goes down, I had very little
interest the girl in the lab (more because I am married than because I
get to see some every day I suspect).

Jim
From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Topless in Safeway
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:21:05 GMT


It is to keep the food from getting all over your tits.
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:24:10 +0200
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In rec.nude, article <1992Sep8.124224.2134@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de>,
  PATZNER@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de writes:
> In <9854@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM writes:
> > 	1. If its ok to walk around nude, bathe nude, swim nude, eat nude
> > 		etc, how come the washrooms are seperate.
> 
> I don't know if it is a typical German problem but it IS sometimes
> scary to see what men can do to a toilet seat ("We aim to please - YOU
> aim too, please"). So if I was a woman I wouldn't like sharing EVERYTHING
> with men...
>  
It's not.

However, I think most men would be a lot more careful with their aim if the
toilet in question is coed.

-- 
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        Progress is made on alternate Fridays.
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Fascinating Breasts Indeed
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:27:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>Ohio only prohibits exposure of the "private parts" (this is why you
>will sometimes see thongs in Ohio--buttocks are not private parts),
>and there has been at least one court decision (State of Ohio
>v. Parenteau) affirming that breasts are not private parts.
>
>Now that you know it's OK, you'll go around topfree, right?  Actually,
>I suspect not, for I know that peer pressure is a very powerful thing;

Besides peer pressure there is the problem that not everyone is aware of
the case you specified.  It is likely that someone would complain and an
arrest would follow and a prosecuter might disagree with the decision
above and even if you are in the right you have a big hassle and expense
proving it.  This should not be the case, but alas, it is.

One reason for joining a nudist organization is to help get the word out
on just what your rights are.

-- 
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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:04:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Sep10.174444.11518@unislc.uucp> kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:
>You people are talking about coed bathrooms, then ask what's wrong
>with urinals. Ha, Ha,
>
>As men say, we find them quite useful.  My point exactly.  They are only
>useful to men.  Why are you spending money and using up room putting
>a fixture in a coed facility that only 50% of the people can use?
---
	Well, if urinals were only as efficient as toilets, then your argument
would be very valid.  However, urinals take up less floor space, are less
likely to have problem with 'splashing', are more sanitary, and may use
less water.  

	Having urinals would make it more likely that toilets wouldn't get
splattered on so that they would remain more sanitary as well --
a benefit for women, it would seem.  I have more than once seen where
some idiot didn't bother to put up the toilet seat before peeing.  Ick.


>Men will never have to worry about a women using their facilities again.
>
>Karen Biesel
---
	I really wasn't worried.  What annoyed me in once instance was were
some girls boyfriend was blocking the door to the men's room so she could
have privacy while using the bathroom.  Inside the room there was a stall
with a door on it and 1 urinal tucked in a corner.  I don't have a problem
with women sharing men's restrooms -- I do have a problem with them taking
it over.

-wat-
--
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the average coal miner did in 1949, adjusted for taxes and inflation," John
Sestina, nationally recognized Certified Financial Planner;  quoted in 1987.
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From: paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch (Paul Burkimsher)
Subject: Re: Topless in Safeway
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:54:50 GMT


> >Most health codes require shoes and shirts of all patrons of all
> >restaurants and grocery stores, and any other place that sells
> >food, for that matter.  Does anyone know why this is?
> 
> Yeah, I think it's to keep those disgusting long-haired hippies out of
> them. 

We spent a holiday in California in 1987 and I too was puzzled by the
"no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs we saw in many many shops.

One day at the campground right down by the beach, I went into the
camp shop, (which was really no more than a shed by the sand), and, as
it was quiet, asked the little old lady behind the counter what the
sign was for. She told me straight: "We don't want hippies here".
(It's a shame I can't express in Ascii the tone of voice in which she
said it, but I discovered what it meant to "look down your nose" at
someone while talking!)

ObNude: Why do most Naturist resorts have a clothing boutique?

---------------

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European Laboratory for Particle Physics,
CERN
CH-1211 Geneva 23
Switzerland

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From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:04:11 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Karen Biesel (kbiesel@unislc.uucp) wrote:
>You people are talking about coed bathrooms, then ask what's wrong
>with urinals. Ha, Ha,
>
>As men say, we find them quite useful.  My point exactly.  They are only
>useful to men.  Why are you spending money and using up room putting
>a fixture in a coed facility that only 50% of the people can use?

What is your problem? I suppose you think we shouldn't have those little
bins in the toilets either, since men don't use them?

Get some perspective.

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Subject: Re: Topfree equality on Fox TV?
From: doctor@qed.cts.com (John Ewin)
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:09:43 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

I missed that episode, so I had little to comment on before!  -It sounds 
like that show has a real positive attitude!

Did anyone catch the episode of Herman's Head where the staff go to a nude
resort (unknowingly) for a conference...

It ends up kinda positive, but has plenty of little inuendos here & there.

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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Young People - Body Acceptance
Summary: Huh?
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:56:16 GMT

In article <Btwn8r.K2L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> tesmer@pandora.bio.purdue.edu (John Tesmer) writes:
>isn't true.  But I do know that a lot of the younger single people 
>at Hedonism II weren't there with
>the beach or water sports as a primarily objective.  
>This is why I said in my report that Hedonism II
>isn't for the faint of heart, because it had its share of of people 
>on the beach that I felt were there
>for the wrong reason.  I mean "wrong" by treating it as a place 
>w[h]ere loose men and women would hang
>out.  I think this is an attitude/mistake that many young folk would 
>find easy to make.  

Yeah. Silly me, I would think a place with a name like
"Hedonism" would be for an ascetic retreat where I could
find spiritual enlightenment. What are those other folks
thinking :?

aarrgh!

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)