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From: ccw5695@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Charlie White)
Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
Organization: g2543
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:40:42 GMT

chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:


>What?!  No spring tour of California??  Sh*t.

That's fine by me, we usually hauled down there just to get rained out.
Or worse yet, the tracks would be to rough and rutty, we'd hook a rut
and dump it.  Oh well, I guess its part of the fun and games.

>And the local boys don't start til the end of March this year.
>(Apparently the rumors about paving San Jose this year were just that,
>rumors.)

Good, all we need is to lose another dirt track.


>Looks like I'll have to wait longer than usual for my first sprint car
>fix of the year.

I know what you mean, I don't know if I can wait another three long months!
Also, is it just me, or is this news group to snobby for sprint car discussion.
Or maybe, we sprint car fans don't know how to use a computer.  If there are
more of you sprint car fans out there I wouldn't mind hearing from you.  
Especially those who are lucky enough to have racing going on in there area
(Austrailia, Phoenix less rain, etc).


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From: brawicz@fraser.sfu.ca (Boleslaw Andrzej Rawicz)
Subject: Re: f1 in july/august
Keywords: f1 july august
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:43:00 GMT

I'd like to thank everyone who gave an answer for my question concerning
the F1 GP's for the July-August period.

thanks,
  B. Rawicz

p.s. I got all the info. I need so I don't any more replys.
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Ford-powered sprint cars
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:27:24 GMT

In article <C1GyzC.AAu@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Re: Sprint carz.  Learned last night that Robert Yates is responsible
>for tweaking the heads on Casey Luna's Ford-powered sprint car, and 
>has plans to make the head available to all Ford sprint car teams.

What, all three of them? :-)

Seriously, I know of exactly three sprint car teams using Ford-derived
motors.  Casey Luna's WoO team (which apparently has hired Dave Blaney
and his sponsor Vivarin), Danny Pivovaroff's #19 which runs CRA and
selected open competition and WoO shows, and one other in Pennsylvania
whose name escapes me (Frankie Kerr used to drive for them).  Are
there others?

The Ford sprint car motor is about 100 lbs. heavier than the standard
Chevy-derived motor, and requires a different chassis design as a
result.  (Check it out the next time you're in the sprint car pits,
the differences in the area around the engine are obvious.)  Both are
built by aftermarket vendors out of aluminum alloy, Ford's by Fontana
in LA and the Chevy variants by Donovan, Rodeck and others.

Incidentally, Casey Luna was the first to use a Ford in a sprint car
because he owns a Ford dealership in Albuquerque (sp?!), NM and got
tired of spending money on his competition's parts.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
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From: ahe@cadcam.kth.se (Anders Hedborg)
Subject: Re: Gurney '68 CanAm McLeagle and Penske '68 CanAm McLaren info request
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:47:41 GMT

In article <AHE.93Jan9200553@lola.cadcam.kth.se> ahe@cadcam.kth.se (Anders Hedborg) writes:

>   In article <1ifgv7INNqj3@gossip.pyramid.com> danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones) writes:
>
>
>   >	The Penske McLaren had custom rear bodywork.  I don't know of
>   >	any other modifications to it.
>
>   I first read about this car in Mark Donohues book "The Unfair Advantage"
>   and I seem to remember that Penske fitted it with a complete special
>   lightweight body of their own specification.
>
>   Donohue used this car to win the 1968 USRRC. According to AutoSport,
>   Sept 6, 1968, the car was sold to Jerry Hansen, and a spanking new 
>   M6B was bought for the CanAm series that year.
>   "With seven litres of aluminium Chevy, a subtly-modified body shape of
>   super-light panelling and an immaculate finish culminating in wild 
>   pinstriping, a lot of folk where betting on Mark."
>
>

I'd just like to know whether the Penske McLaren M6A was indeed sold to
Jerry Hansen after the -68 USRRC as stated by AutoSports scribe Pete Lyons
claims in his report cited above? And, if so, was the replacement one of
the production Trojan M6B's ?

Anybody out there have any comments?!




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From: speednut@zikzak.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna Interview in Aus. magazine
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:11:34 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au


Extracts from Australian Auto Action's interview (through American
correspondent Jeremy Shaw) with Ayrton Senna:

 "Today F1 is so sophisticated that the computers do most of the
driving for you.

 "If you have a clever computer you are in good shape; if you've got a
monkey one you're in trouble.

 "The input from the man, or the creative aspects of the driver, is
only third or fourth in importance in determining the final result.

 "With the new technology in F1 you just keep your hands on the
steering wheel - you don't bother about the gear change. The computer
does it for you at the right revs.

 "It doesn't over-rev the engine, either upshift or downshift. This
takes a lot away from the driver.

 "It is a challenge to drive when you have to shift every gear at the
right revs, without over-revving or revving too little or missing a
gear.

 "But with traction control you just put your foot on the floor out of
a corner and you don't get any oversteer because the maximum power
will be judged by the computer, so the car goes smoothly out of the
corner.

 "Also the suspension determines the attitude of the car either with
200 litres or 10 litres of fuel in the tank in the best way possible
all around the circuit. It takes everything away from the driver."

 Senna said he found during his recent test of a Penske-Chevrolet in
the US that "the human input has tremendous value" in IndyCar.

 "And I really got excited about it", Senna said.

 "The IndyCar is more `driveable'.

 "In a way it's more for the driver, which is great.

 "It's how I think it should be because the public does not know
whether you are going five seconds quicker or slower in lap times.

 Senna said the only teams that had the money and ability for F1 now
were McLaren, Williams, Ferrari "and maybe Benetton".

 "Even some of those who have got the money have tremendous
difficulty, technically speaking, to get those things to work," Senna
said.

 [Senna then says he's interested in IndyCar but concerned about the
 oval tracks and the obvious safety risk they pose]

 "When you go the speeeds that you go on the ovals, it's tough,"
Senna said.

 "If you get a mechanical failure or if you make a mistake, the wall
is there waiting for you.

 "So you better make sure first of all you stay away from it!

 "I believe there are always ways of improving the safety if the
people concerned are willing to," Senna said.

 "That means the teams, drivers, the organiser and everybody pulling
together in the same direction.

 "I think that happens in IndyCar racing."


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From: cq203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William M. White)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams fail to register!!!!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:25:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Dreaming...

Hill and The Frog at INDY.

Wouldn't it be GREAT, hat if Team Williams is barred
from F-1 this year (doubtful),they would come run in
the 500, if not the whole Indycars curcit? DREAMING..
Hill and Prost....
...with Nigel, Emmo, Mario, Stefan, Raul, Teo, Arie,
Christian, Roberto, Eddie, Danny, Bobby and possible
Aryton...  all with F-1 experience.... four or five
WORLD CHAMPIONS fighting it out...AAAHHH....Dreaming
...to see all these guys 5 or 6 times this summer would
be a DREAM... Don't pinch me... I'm still Dreaming. MIKE

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From: William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Bill Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Beam Elliott's new crew chief
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:17:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b3@newshost.dartmouth.edu

As predicted by myself a week ago 8), Mike Beam has been named Bill
Elliott's new crew chief. Beam was Elliott's crew chief back in 1990 at
Melling Racing, where the team was successful, finishing 4th in points
despite winning only one race. Beam had been crew chief on the other JJ
car, run by Sterling Marlin in 1991 and 1992.

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From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Subject: Auriol wins Monte
Summary: win
Keywords: toyota
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:59:00 GMT

	Didier Auriol produced a stunning performance to overhaul 
Delecour's Escort in the final stages of the Monte Carlo rally, to
give Toyota their first win of the season. Biaison was third  in
the other Escort. No sign of Sainz or Aghini in the Lancia's,
perhaps signalling the ned of an era. Maybe at last we will
have a decent race forr the championship.


Mark

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From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Trivia Question
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:22:31 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems
Originator: james@ignatz

OK, after receiving a number of good answers to my last question about
the death of the privateers (the consensus being that it was a rule
change, sometime after 1984, limiting a constructor to two entries per
event. prize to Dan Jones), here's a pair of related trivia questions.
I don't have the answers, BTW.

1) In what World Championship race was the greatest number of chassis
   from a single marque represented?

2) What was the most successful WC season for a non-Constructor team?


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From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 driver list
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:36:50 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: xploit.eng.pyramid.com

Cory James Padfield writes:
|> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
|> 
|> > 1
|> > 2
|> > 3 Tyrrell         Katayama
|> > 4                 De Cesaris 
|> > 5 Benetton        Schumacher
|> > 6                 Patrese
|> > 7 McLaren         Andretti
|> > 8                 tba
|> > 9 Footwork        Suzuki
|> >10                 Warwick
|> >11 Lotus           Hakkinen
|> >12                 Herbert
|> >13

[etc]

|> >Note no entry for cars 1,2,13,18
|> >1 and 2 should be the Williams team, but their entry was late (again?)
|> >"Nobody seriously doubts that Prost and Hill will be on the grid in S.Africa"
|> >...but they need ALL other teams to agree to their addition to the list, so 
|> >may have to give concessions on some of the recently proposed rule changes.
|> >I don't know why there's no entry for 13 and 18, but I notice there wasn't a 
|> >13 or 18 last year either.
|> 
|>    They don't use the number 13 in racing for the same reason they don't have
|>    a thirteenth floor in any buildings- the fear of the number thirteen. As for
|>    18- well, if you have two-car teams, and skip 13, then you have to skip 
|>    another number sometime to even things out. Benetton always used 19, so I
|>    guess they preferred it to 18. Alas, they have abandoned their traditional
|>    19 and 20, opting instead for 5 and 6. I am somewhat disappointed to see 
|>    this, but changes abound year to year.

Some building do have a 13th floor, it seems to be more common these days.  But I
think the F1 folks still fear 13 like you say.  What I find interesting is that
Benetton gets 5 & 6, rather than the previous champion, McLaren.  Benetton should
have kept their numbers and Sauber probably should have been the ones to get 7 & 8. 
So I guess that means Brabham is definitely out.  I think this is the first time
since '74 that so many teams have changed numbers, isn't anything sacred?  And also
if Williams does get accepted, they will be 0 & 2 with Hill getting 0 and Prost 
getting 2.  Originally Prost was to get 0, but he refused the number, he didn't want
to admit his was a zero.  I'd like to see Williams kept out for the first half of
the season on this technicality, then the others might have a shot.

Dan Jones
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From: parfrk@rs6224.ecs.rpi.edu (Karl Andrew Parfrey)
Subject: Re: F1 driver list
Reply-To: parfrk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:26:48 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.171713.20061@pixel.kodak.com>, jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan22.172003.25872@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:
|> >
|> >They skip 13 because it's considered unlucky.  I don't know why they skip 18,
|> >unless it's to get back on odd-even car groups instead of even-odd, but
|> >that seems like a pretty lame reason.
|> >
|> 
|> This is FISA!!  Have you ever heard of a rational valid reason from them?!?!
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perhaps if you obscure part of the 8 you get 13?

I recall noticing a few years ago that they skip 31 as well.


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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: INDY 500 SIMULATION
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:41:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Paul Griffiths (griffith@acuson.com) wrote:
> Cause Microprose has released World Circuit...This game
> passes Indy 500 on the first corner.  It's essentially the whole F1
> circuit, you're choice of car, GREAT graphics, nice feel, good
> customization... While I certainly can't say I'm ready for F1 in
> real life... My respect and admiration for ALL F1 drivers has gone
> up about %2000...as has my knowledge of the tracks, cars etc.
> I'm not going to review this game in this newsgroup...(this thread
> is bordering on the 'not related' as it is.) Suffice to say if
> you loved Indy 500...you'll make room on your HD for World Circuit.


I posted a review of F1GP/World Circuit to r.a.s before Christmas.
It's good. Very good indeed. Anyone wanting a re-post/updated version of the
review (I've just won my first World Championship with 107 points and nine
race wins!), just shout!

pete
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From: Juha.Nyberg@lut.fi (Juha Nyberg)
Subject: Hakkinen
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:56:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

I heard rumor that Hakkinen has a two year contract with
McLaren team. If Senna likes McLaren-Ford Hakkinen will
drive Lotus for an year, but if Senna does't like the
engine will Hakkinen get Senna's place in McLaren team.
Announce from McLaren will come in sort time.
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 drivers lineup for '93
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:42:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan18.131156.20624@spectrum.xerox.com>, 
mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com writes...

>McLaren:  Andretti & ? (Ford engine deal *still* not officially announced)

The Ford deal is probably just a matter of time.  I can't imagine Ron Dennis & 
company cutting the "floorboard" out of the tub, letting Michael "pedal" 
around the track a la Fred Flinstone yelling "Yabba Dabba Doo"....

JD
From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Villeneuve,Atlantics
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:43:43 GMT
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>Jacques Jr will also contest
>Japanese F3 races where he was last years champion.

I know Gilles' son is named Jacques, but does Jacques (Gilles' brother) also
have a son named Jacques??

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Ford-powered sprint cars
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:35:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.232724.20974@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>In article <C1GyzC.AAu@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>Re: Sprint carz.  Learned last night that Robert Yates is responsible
>>for tweaking the heads on Casey Luna's Ford-powered sprint car, and 
>>has plans to make the head available to all Ford sprint car teams.
>
>there others?
>
>Incidentally, Casey Luna was the first to use a Ford in a sprint car
>because he owns a Ford dealership in Albuquerque (sp?!), NM and got
>tired of spending money on his competition's parts.
>

I know of one other Ford-sprinter running out of the Washington Open
Wheel (WOW), but I can't remember the guy's name.  One night last summer
here at the Portland Speedway when the sprints were on the card, this
car was clearly the class of the field, but he blew *big-time* about
1/2 way through the 30-lap main.

By the way, does not Casey Luna hold a high elected office in New
Mexico?

Also related....I threw out a NASCAR trivia question last week that
no one responded to.....the correct answer was that it was Robert
Yates who built the motor that Richard Petty used in his 200th win.

bob

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From: dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz)
Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Westfield, Massachusetts
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:55:04 GMT


In article <deanb.727544057@pecan10>, deanb@cray.com (Dean Barker) writes...

[looooong schedule deleted]

Dave Burden asked in our internal Racers conference whether the majority of
the WoO drivers hit all these races.  As I'm only a casual fan of WoO, I 
couldn't say.  Do they?

If they do, it's quite a busy year! 
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From: marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RE: INDY 500 SIMULATION
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton) 

-> I don't know about that. I have managed to turn laps up to 241mph on
-> the IBM version of the game. I don't remember what car it was done in
-> but probably the Lola-Buick. If you have a good joystick (one that
-> you can disable the auto-centreing on) you will turn far faster laps
-> then with a keyboard. I can easily add 5-10 mph using my joystick
-> (Gravis).
-> Anyone ever heard if they plan to make a new version of that game. It
-> is easily the best autoracing game I have seen and its 4 years old
-> (not even true VGA!). I have tried Mario Andretti's, Bill Elliot's
-> Nascar Challenge and about three others. None of them come close to
-> the realism of INDY 500.

I tried it with a joystick-> For cornering, its the best, it's just that
you need to get adjusted with the stick. My main problem was passing on
the straits, I was always turning too muck... but I'll borrow the
"Aviator joystick", that should be the best thing to have control in
Indy 500.

As for a new version of Indy: It doesn't look too good. I thought that
they should make it true vga with more cdars to choose, realism in
crashes( seeing wheels fly in the air, not just blowing tires, etc. )
head-to-head modem-network ( that would be INCREDIBLE! )and
SoundBlaster,MT-32,Sound_Canvas compatible!.
That would be by FAR the best auto-racing simulation of THE DECADE!

I agree 100% with you. I have Indy 500 since 1990 and I still play it
regularly. No game has come close to be better than Indy. I have Grand
Prix Unlimited, Mario Andretti, etc. and nobody beats INDY 500.


INDY 500 THE TRUE AUTO-RACING SIMULATION!!!!

TTYL GEOFF!

  Marc "The Turbo Frog" Gratton