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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Unforgiven (Was Re: Unforgivable)  ***SPOILERS***
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:50:33 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Aug13.140203.16641@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu  
(Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
> I am big fan of Clint Eastwood, particularly of Clint Eastwood  
westerns and 
> I have to say that this was only fair. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't  
call it
> great. It had two major flaws as far as I was concerned.
> 
> 1) The story. Rather then "never taking the easy way out" there was  
not a 
> moment in this film that was a suprise. Taking the major moments of  
the film
> in order, you tell me if you were in slightly suprised by: Muuny  
deciding to
> go after turning the kid down. (skipping ahead a bit) The kid being  
upset about
> begin a killer. Morgan Freeman being caught and killed. Munny going  
back to
> drinking. Munny killing Gene Hackman and all the bad guys.

This did surprise me quite a bit, because it was not Munny killing
"the bad guys."  He was killing the good guys. Most of those
guys were deputies doing the right thing in trying to protect
their locals from bounty hunters and assassins.  Even Hackman,
despite his treatment of Freeman, was basically a good guy,
who was doing the best he could in a difficult situation: trying
to maintain law and order in an old west town that had the
potential of filling up with hired killers.   


 Munny surviving and
> going home. I am not saying it was a bad film. It was better then  
Silverado (a
> film I also enjoyed) because the characters were somewhat more  
complex, but it 
> was basicaly the same story.
> 
> 2) The character of Will Munny. Lets face it, Munny is basicly a  
one-note
> character. THe whole film he keeps saying that his is not a violent  
guy
> anymore, and we don't believe it, and we suspect that he doesn't  
really
> believe it either (that's why he keep saying it, he is trying to  
convince
> himself) and eventually we see that he still is violent. He is a  
cartoon of 
> the old-western type. We don't know his motivations except for the  
moment 
> when he avenges his friend - certainly a stock western theme if  
there ever 
> was one.

The key difference here is that when Mummy gets his revenge he
is not doing it is a "good guy."  He has returned to being a
ruthless murderer and becomes a villian.  I kept expecting him
to stop the killing, to not completely revert to his old ways,
and was surprised when he became such a vicious bastard.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REBECCA (spoiler)
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:22:32 GMT

ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin) writes:

>I have a copy of the book with a picture on the cover of a scene from a BBC
>adaptation that was shown on Mystery.  Jeremy Brett, who plays Sherlock
>Holmes, played Maxim de Winter in this adaptation.  Has anyone seen this
>version of the story?  How does it compare to the original (which, by the
>way, is one of my favorite films)?  When was it shown?  Will it ever be
>shown again?

I saw this BBC version, played on PBS television here circa 1980.  I
too would love to see this again.  At least they adhered to the original
story of the book in this version.  The 1940 movie changed one very basic
fact of the story (SPOILER AHEAD).

In the book and BBC production, Maxim de Winter shoots his first wife,
Rebecca.  In the 1940 production, he merely strikes her in anger, she
falls down onto some hardware equipment, and dies.

--
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From: eric@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Eric Tend)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 18:49:05 GMT
Subject: The Killer on Cinemax
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

Any John Woo fans might want to take note that his super-charged, ultra-
violent gangster epic "The Killer" is on Cinemax this month.

They're supposed to be running both a dubbed and subtitled version.
Check TV guide listings for time and dates.

--Eric--
From: nyberg@willow.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason William Nyberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:46:10 GMT


Definitely Daphne Zuniga (sp?) from "The Sure Thing", "The Fly II"...

She's a babe.

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"Work is the curse of the drinking class"      W. C. Feilds

Disclaimer: My opinions are just that...
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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:28:42 GMT

In <1992Aug9.152031.14075@crpmks.uucp> billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems)) writes:

>Guns of Navarone

Quite enjoyable - and with a fairly decent sequel

>Mr. Roberts

is this the one with Ensign Pulver?  If so, it would be on the top
ten list of "war comedies" with _Kelley's Heros_ and _Dr. Strangelove_

OH! - just thought of another good "war movie" - _Memphis Belle_
(BEAUTIFUL Laserdisc, great sound, perfect price)

gary cooper (not the dead one)
have skills, will travel....
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:11:04 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Aug20.202143.20674@jade.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu 
(George W. Harris) writes:

> 	Vlad the Impaler was a Romanian count who was reknowned for his fierce
> resistance to Islamic invaders, building lots and lots of churches, and using
> a particular form of execution, perhaps to excess.  

Which was impaling people (thousands from what I've heard) on stakes.

> Thus, his son and heir could then be called (and was) Vlad Dracula.

And his other name was Vlad Tepes: Vlad the Impaler.

Which lead to my college roomate naming his car Vlad...Vlad the Impala.  :^)

And one name which I haven't heard anything about yet is Richard E. Grant
(Warlock, The Player) who will be playing Dr.Seward in the movie.

Greg Bole                              "Lord, thank you for that waitress in 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu            South Bend.  You know the one, she was
                                        calling your name the whole time."
                                          Tom Hanks in _A Leauge of Their Own_
From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:58:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <5886@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>charlesk@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Hak Kim) writes:
>
>> Guns of Navarone	- I'm a sucker for movies that follow the plot
>>  			  line, "the impenetrable fortress penetrated."
>
>Also in that category: Where Eagles Dare.
>
>John


Many of Alistair Maclean novels that have been made into movies
fall in this category :

Guns of Navarone
Force 10 from Navarone
Ice station Zebra
Where eagles dare

and several more, i guess.

manish
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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Subject: Re: Freshman Smarm - Less Than Zero?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:01:40 GMT


Maureen Wilkes writes:

>"Less Than Zero" was in the Critic's Choice display at my local video
>outlet.  I'd assumed it was vacuous teenage tripe about roughing it in
>daddy's Beverly Hills mansion, but now I'm wondering........was it
>critically acclaimed?  Was it more than just another fast cars/fast babes
>teen flick?

No and yes. Actually, the film received wildly mixed reviews from
critics. But it definitely is more than just another "fast cars/
fast babes" teen flick. Unfortunately all the elements of the
film don't work as a whole. The leads (played by Andrew Mcarthy
and "what's her name") are unconvincing, but Robert Downey, Jr.
gives a stellar performance as a drug addict. His moments of
love, humor, remorse and desparation save the film from
complete mediocrity. There are moments of insight, but in the
whole I couldn't help but feel like I was watching a feature-
length music video, complete with needless sex scenes set to
music with no purpose other than to titillate. When the film
focused on Downey's character, it was on the mark. But many of
the other characters just didn't ring true. Still, I wouldn't  
lump it in the category of "fast cars/fast babes". It's worth
a look if you haven't seen it. But please rent the video, do not
see it as it was shown recently on syndicated television (with
big, major cuts).


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu

P.S. Another chilling and effective role in the film was the
     drug dealer, played by ???????. Someone help me, I have
     a mental blank. I know the actor played in _Pretty in
     Pink_, _Jack's Back_, _Bad Influence_, and others. But
     I can't recall his name. Oh yeah, he was also the weirdo
     in _Sex, Lies, and Videotape_. Damn, what's his name?

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From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: Possible Foundation movie?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:48:57 GMT

This may mean nothing in the long run, but I just ran across this and I
thought I'd toss it out onto the net for reactions.  Anybody know anything
about this?

The following is taken from ABORIGNAL SCIENCE FICTION's Fall 1992 issue,
page 75:

          "Reported in PUBLISHERS WEEKLY for June 1st: TriStar Pictures,
     on behalf of Roven-Cavallo Entertainment, has purchased the rights
     to Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION trilogy.  The agreement states that the
     company can produce one theatrical release using materials from
     FOUNDATION, FOUNDATION AND EMPIRE, and SECOND FOUNDATION.  Also
     included in the contract is an option on the additional movels
     PRELUDE TO FOUNDATION, FOUNDATION'S EDGE, FOUNDATION AND EARTH, and
     the forthcoming FORWARD THE FOUNDATION, plotted but only partially
     written at the time of Dr. Asimov's recent passing.  The overall
     agreement includes TV rights,  merchandising, video games, and a
     possible sequel."

Anybody else heard anything of this?  As a friend of mine pointed out, this
reports merely the purchasing of the rights, which is very distinct from
actually making a movie from them.  Besides, could anyone really do a decent
FOUNDATION movie, especially one movie for the whole trilogy (which is what
the above sounds like)?

Updates?  Thoughts?  Comments?  Reactions?

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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Movies starring Claude Rains Wanted.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:18:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.004130.42718@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>
>One of my favorite actor is Claude Rains and I'd like to see if there is
>any movies that he was in that I missed.
> 
>I've seen him in 
>  "Caesar and Cleopatra"
>  "Casablanca"
>  "Robin Hood" 
>  "The Phantom of the Opera"
>  "The Invisible Man"
>
> Did I miss any?

			Adventures of Robin Hood, The
			Angel on My Shoulder (1946)
			Anthony Adverse
			Caesar and Cleopatra (1946)
			Casablanca (S:AAN)
			Clairvoyant, The (aka Evil Mind, The)
			Crime Without Passion
			Daughters Courageous
			Deception
			Forever and a Day
			Four Daughters
			Four Mothers
			Four Wives
			Greatest Story Ever Told, The
			Hearts Divided
			Here Comes Mr. Jordan
			Invisible Man, The (1933)
			Juarez
			Kings Row
			Last Outpost, The (1935)
			Lawrence of Arabia
			Lisbon
			Lost World, The (1960)
			Man Who Reclaimed His Head, The
			Moontide
			Mr. Skeffington (S:AAN)
			Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (S:AAN)
			Mystery of Edwin Drood, The
			Notorious (1946) (S:AAN)
			Now, Voyager
			Paris Express, The
			Passionate Friends, The (aka One Woman's Story)
			Phantom of the Opera (1943)
			Pied Piper of Hamelin, The (TV)
			Rope of Sand
			Saturday's Children
			Sea Hawk, The
			Sealed Cargo
			Song of Surrender
			Strange Holiday
			They Made Me a Criminal
			They Won't Forget
			This Earth Is Mine
			Twilight of Honor
			Unsuspected, The
			Where Danger Lives
			White Tower, The
			Wolf Man, The

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From: dfk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (David F. Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: With cuts restored:  The Frankenstein Academy of Film.
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:58:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>What are some movies that you think are improved with the changes, and
>>which ones do you think were better left alone?  And some movies have been
>>found to have been cut and never restored, etc.  Here are some of my own
>>canidates for what I'll call the _Frankenstein Academy of Film_.
>

Its A Mad Mad Mad Mad World -

Supposedly there was an abandoned warehouse that contained
forgotten outtakes of the film. This print was in reasonable condition,
but when viewed together with the original print, you can tell where the
outtake portions are inserted. Its the same affect as when you watch a
"network" program and switch over to some cheaper "syndicated" channels
version of it.

Anyway, these scenes are just "flak", extensions of conversations. Scenes and
characters that have no influence on the plot. However the letterbox format
makes it great!

Earthquake -

Here is a fine example how a "bomb" of a movie can even be worse by
the fact that the networks make up some frivolous scenes.
This is so the picture hits the 3 hour bracket, thus yielding the network
more advertising revenue.
The lane landing at the airport during the earthquake took up 20 minutes
and what a waste of time!

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From: deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:32:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

In rec.arts.movies / ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):

>Are we going to have to start referring to women with he and his?  Is the
>wife of a king going to be reffered to as a king?  Actually, I guess I can't
>refer to her (him?) as the "wife", either.

>But I think it's crazy that we are going to have to re-write the English
>language because some people are offended by certain words because they're
>"degrading" to women.

I get your point, although my post tried to show that "actor" isn't a
sexist term; it carries no gender meaning.  "Someone who acts," essentially.
"Actress" *is* a sexist term, in that it defines a woman who acts.  Someone
via an earlier post, questioned the use of "Actor" to describe Jody Foster.
Shouldn't that be alright?  I get your drift, but "he" and "his" are 
sexist; they specify males.  So, you wouldn't refer to a woman by using
them.  That'd be sexist.

Hey, I think I'm getting this!  I'm still stuck on "man" vs. "person"
though (The first definition of "man" doesn't mean "male," it means
"a human being."  But, as you suggested, people find offense easily.
You just have to look hard enough. . . .)

Dean Cashen
-- Boise

--------<disclaimer>----------
HP and I share some views, but
the ones above are all mine...
From: ccsmh@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: StarTrek IV mistake
Keywords: StarTrek picture
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:28:22 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, England

medanic@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ivan Medanic) writes:

>This might have already been discussed but have any of you noticed that when
>Kirk looks at his sons picture on the desk that it is in black and white. I
>find this very funny when you consider how far in the future the setting of
>StarTrek is that they did not use a color picture, when you consider that 
>black and white picture had probably not been produced in over 500 years.

I for one think that black and white pictures seem to convey more emotion
than colour prints.  Your saying that because they have colour, why would
anyone want black and white. Well, why do people still develop black and
white pictures today?  Personal preference.  Obviously Kirk is an old softy
at heart and likes the 'romantic' picture of his son :-)


Mark
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: scene from a movie
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:02:00 GMT

Scene from a movie:

A very young boy, perhaps 4 or 5 has recurring nightmares. His older sister 
(mabye 9 or 10) is sitting on his bed talking to her mother or father... 
crying and asking why someone so young can't be permitted to sleep 
peacefully and how it's not fair.

Does this ring any bells?  What movie is this? I remember being touched by 
the scene.


rlwilliams@gallua
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: With cuts restored: Dune
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:40:45 GMT

In article <MeWd5HK00Uh_Q374su@andrew.cmu.edu> pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Yung Chang) writes:
>Last weekend I turned on the Fox channel here and caught Dune.  It
>turned out to be what I think is a Director's Edition.  There were MANY
>scenes I have not seen before.  Even the intro is completely different. 
>Virginia Madsen no longer appears in the intro.  Instead, she is
>replaced by a series of paintings, some of them of actual movie footage.
> The longer intro explains the background of the story.  There are also
>explanations inserted at various points of the movie.  The voiceovers
>are no longer done by Virginia, either.  
>
>I think it's a MUCH better version than the one currently available in
>videostores.  Any idea how I can get a hold of it?
>
>

Tape it off Fox when it comes around again.  You can't get it anyway
else.


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From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm - Less Than Zero?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:18:38 GMT

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From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Subject: Colorization- How? (was Re: Why I Like Colorization)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:59:44 GMT

In previous posts I've mentioned that film colorization is something that I
do not at all favor. That aside, the technology interests me.

Does anyone know how they do this in reasonable amounts of time? I would guess
they don't have some "artists" sitting in front of workstations coloring one
frame at a time. But on the other hand, how would they automate this? It would
seem that some serious AI would be required to track a given area as it changed
location from frame to frame, and at the same time adjust the colors for
lighting changes & shadows...etc.  How does it work?

And I know that it *must* be fairly easy to do these days, or else why the hell
would someone be colorizing "Gilligan's Island"?????  ;->
-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
From: deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:05:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

In  rec.arts.movies / ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
>In article <1992Aug16.000336.4292@daimi.aau.dk> pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes:

>>No. Let's forget Jodie Foster. She is a reasonably good actor,
>
>She's an ACTOR???  Holy s**t, that's news to me.
>Wait, or does PC now dictate that we call women actors so that it doesn't
>sound sexist (kinda like calling women in the the military sir)?

In Webster's II:

   ac-tor: 1. A theatrical performer.  2. A participant.

This whole "PC" thing's going drive me nuts.  Is it wrong to *not* use
the sexist term now?  Or is it wrong *to* use it?  

Jeez, this is tough. . . !

Dean Cashen
-- Boise
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From: gfowler@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (george h. fowler)
Subject: Re: rasputin
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:28:28 GMT

People have been asking about Eisenstein's lost film. It's title is
"Bezhin lug", i.e., 'Bezhin meadow'. The title is from a Turgenev story,
but there's no plot connection. What exists is a set of stills from the
film, and somebody put together a compilation of stills arranged in the
sequence of the film, with a voice-over narration and music, to give one
an idea of what the film would have been like. My recollection is that
this film was definitely destroyed, and not confiscated, so it won't
ever
be found.
     Eisenstein never made an Ivan the terrible III, so that film won't
turn up either.

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