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From: JAB0633@usav01.glaxo.com (Joe Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: AM Stations 4 ADF
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:04:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan11.173501.4842@wkuvx1.bitnet>, scottcr@wkuvx1.bitnet
(Chris Scott) writes:

> In article <WD.93Jan11111949@sam.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wd@cs.tu-berlin.de
> (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes:

>> - there location can be changed without notice

> In the US, this is a very formal process with the FCC, and
> recently, due to economic pressures very few do move.

Back in the early 80s (and as far as I am aware, today), WGH, 1310AM,
with transmitters located in Hampton, Virigina, "moved" every day at
sunrise and sunset!  Because the signal didn't travel as far during the
day, they were licensed for a non-directional signal sunrise to sunset,
but at night they had to use a directional signal that sent most of
their transmitted signal out to sea! 

To meet the requirement, they had *two* antenna/transmitter sites - one
for the non-directional antenna, and a different one, located
approximately 5 miles away, for the directional antennas.

Additionally, they had a standby transmitter at the directional site. 
It was lower powered, and only connected to one of the antennas giving
it a non-directional pattern.

Thus, at any time during the day, and usually at sunrise and sunset, the
station would move according to an ADF.

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From: kerry@Ingres.COM (Kerry Kurasaki)
Subject: Re: help with ATC statement
Reply-To: kerry@Ingres.COM (Kerry Kurasaki)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:37:53 GMT

In article <C0JMun.1t2@tss.com> burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:
>
>I suffered from the mistaken need to pretend I was a real pilot when I was
>only a student, just like most students.  I didn't want to sound stupid - I
>wanted everyone in the air to think I was a real pilot just like them.  

It's "funny", but I guess the "REAL" pilots I know are the ones that
think like pre-solo students.  These are the ones who *ALWAYS* preflight
on every flight.  They get wx briefings for local flights and check
NOTAMs.  They are also never afraid to get clarifications on any
ATC instruction they don't understand or are unable to comply with.

Kerry
From: rmt@pioneer.net.com (Richard Tweedie)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:23:44 GMT

In article <C0ptFv.AwF@fc.hp.com> woof@fc.hp.com (Steve Wolf) writes:
>Stormwind (amazon@sgi.com) wrote:
>
>> we were already halfway through the turn 
>> by the time stockton warned us of traffic 
>> at 1 mile.
>
>I've noticed this alot, and consequently don't rely heavily on ATC
>traffic advisories.  Most recently, I was in the Denver TCA on 12/31 and
>watched a twin approach us and pass 1/2-mile to our right at our
>altitude.  As the twin passed us, Approach called traffic 12 o'clock and
>1 mile.  I have no idea if the twin pilot saw me or not.
>
>So another tip for students -- "see and avoid" is your responsibility,
>not Air Traffic Control's.  Keep those eyes outside the cockpit most of
>the time, just like when you're driving a car.
>--------DELETED-----------
>Steve Wolf

Another data point...

Flying a Cessna 401 Turbo IFR SJC to LAX.  Very soupy in LA basin, being
vectored by L.A. approach.  Suddenly, a Lockheed Viking flashed by dead
ahead in a steep climb, less than 100 yards (Yeah, we sure did hit his
wake turbulence).  Called approach and asked why no traffic advisory and
reported the near miss.  They said they were too busy, call on land line
after landing LAX.  Called after landing--Viking departed Burbank they
said, as if that explained everything.  Both of us were on IFR flight
plans
in IFR weather with working transponders.  

Could talk about the time I was cleared for landing at FAT at the same
time
an F-86 was also cleared for the opposite direction on the same
runway (Spooky, it was clear weather, he was on UHF and myself on
VHF so we did not hear each other).  The real spooky part here is
that I *ASKED* the tower about the F-86 apparently on opposite
downwind!  THey said to "disregard the F-86"!  When we saw each
other on short final We both broke to the east! ( a left turn for 
him, and a right turn for me).  The 86 went overhead in AB.  Don't
take the tower, approach control, FSS or weather bureaus word for it,
because they definitely make mistakes out there.

Rich Tweedie
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Re: AM Stations 4 ADF
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:54:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

ulan@cbl.umd.edu (Robert Ulanowicz) writes:
> Greetings to All!
> 
>     This is my first posting on this group. 
> 
>    I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a list of AM stations
> around the country to use for ADF navigation. Ideally, I'm looking for
> something like the ham ftp that allows one to download stations by state
> or city. 
>  <stuff deleted>
> Bob Ulanowicz, K3IIZ
> ulan@cbl.umd.edu

Bob, 

"Sporty's Pilot Shop" 1-800-543-8633 (1-800-LIFTOFF), fax 513-732-6560 
has a book that they sell that should help you.  (page 52 of 
catalogue Code 790):

	"ADF Directory & Manual. M716A...$10.00, Cardin
	How to ge the most out of your ADF.  Also includes
	a complete listing of all AM broadcast stations in
	the U.S. and Canada, plus a listing of the toll free
	FSS telephone numbers in the USA.

Hope this helps,

Ben
--
Ben Bailey                 ben@bailey.uucp -- bailey!ben@uunet.uu.net
12210 Shady Forest Dr.     ben@bailey.tscs.com
Riverview, Fl. 33569       -- The main thing is to keep the main
813-677-5021                  thing the main thing.  Mainly. 
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From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:18:22 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <1993Jan8.165249.12464@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
 ....
   Yes, after that incident, cloud is a no-no for me, until if and when I
   get IFR.

Your wording implies that before the incident, clouds were NOT a
no-no for you, even without an instrument rating. Why not?
--
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Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:02:41 GMT

From article <1993Jan11.033003.26791@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, by ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg):
>>The forcast then called for no cloud at or near that level, 
>>and having not come close to cloud prior, I made a bad call (about how
>>close I was to the cloud).
> 
> [Other sarcastic comments deleted.]
> 
> Let's give Mr. Chong a break.  Our complaint isn't with him, it's with
> his instructor.  If he can't tell how far away a cloud is while flying,
> and feels that climbing into/near clouds to get over a mountain is
> sensible for a student pilot, he shouldn't be flying solo.
> 
> 						Matt Ginsberg

Wow, I can see it now.  Mr Ginsberg pitying poor Chinaman, cannot even
drive, must less fly a plane.  If a Chinaman should make a mistake, that
means he will do it EVERY time.  We've got ourselves another
Mr I-never-make-a-mistake, don't we?  :-)
From: amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Frost Accumulation Summary
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:29:03 GMT
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D

(Jim Burke) writes:
>Well, I really appreciate all the discussion about frost accumulation on
>wings.  

me too!  in fact, this entire discussion
came to mind as i stood at columbia in 
25 degree F weather, leaning my forehead
against a nearly fully frosted airplane
just this past sunday evening (see upcoming
post in rec.stories.aviation).

unfortunately, none of the discussion produced
a viable solution that i could use...
but on the flip side, i did find a great
bed and breakfast in columbia!

			stormwind

			hell's amazon
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From: ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:30:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.063056.10079@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi
Chong) defends his action of flying into a cloud, writing in part:

>Nop!  You sure like to make assumptions.  I was climbing to make it over
>the mountain, when I encounter cloud.  Immediately I "balanced" the plane
>and turned 180, but forgot to lower the power because the recovery took
>most all my concentration and hence continued climbing (with the mountain 
>to my back).  

>The forcast then called for no cloud at or near that level, 
>and having not come close to cloud prior, I made a bad call (about how
>close I was to the cloud).

[Other sarcastic comments deleted.]

Let's give Mr. Chong a break.  Our complaint isn't with him, it's with
his instructor.  If he can't tell how far away a cloud is while flying,
and feels that climbing into/near clouds to get over a mountain is
sensible for a student pilot, he shouldn't be flying solo.

						Matt Ginsberg

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From: lahurst@unix1.tcd.ie (Leon Hurst)
Subject: Help on aviation + IT project required!
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:28:07 GMT


Hi!
I am a computer science student who has to do a group project/talk 
on the impact of computers on the aviation industry and their
"social implications". I am researching two topics.

	1] How computers are used in training pilots
	(ie. simulators).

	2] How computers are used in air traffic control.

If anyone wants to help me could they email any details/reports
that they have in any of these areas. And Also if there is a
commercial pilot out there I would like to ask him some quetions 
on his own experiences.

I would be grateful for any feedback at all.
Leon Hurst.

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From: mjb@keps.kodak.com (Mark Biamonte)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:16:21 GMT

In article <tomcat.726293416@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>Greetings!  Well, like the subject says, any tips for someone who will soon
>begin flight training in a fixed wing aircraft?  Most probably a Cessna 152..
>of course.  What kind of tips?  Oh, anything to help me prepare for training.
>Email or post them here.  Thanks!

In addition to some of the other suggestions which other netters have
provided.  You probably should check out the requirements for receiving
a medical certificate.  You will need this before you can solo.  If
there is going to be any problem with getting the medical, it would be
nice to know this before you spent you money on lessons.  Also if you
have any conditions which would require a waiver to fly, you might want
to initiate the paperwork with the FAA so you can have everything
staightend out by the time you are ready to solo.  Hopefully you are in
good health and this won't be a problem.  Good Luck!

Mark Biamonte
PP-ASEL
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From: riff@inf.utfsm.cl (Maria Cristina &)
Subject: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 20:43:37 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi!, I try to answer the question for the new student to pilot.
I don't speak english, I speak spanish.

I am a pilot since four years
and your question is the first question that every people who decide to
fly with the controls in the hands thinking.

I only say to you that to fly is the most beautiful that I have had in
my life, and I think that if you have the capacity of afront problems with
serenity and very froid, with love for the sky and respect for the
meteorology and with conscience about the your limitations, you will be
a responsable and famous pilot.

Good Luck, A woman pilot from South America.
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:03:16 GMT
Organization: U. S. Naval Academy

In article <1993Jan11.040241.23474@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
!From article <1993Jan11.033003.26791@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU!, by ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg):
!!!The forcast then called for no cloud at or near that level, 
!!!and having not come close to cloud prior, I made a bad call (about how
!!!close I was to the cloud).
!! 
!! [Other sarcastic comments deleted.]
!! 
!! Let's give Mr. Chong a break.  Our complaint isn't with him, it's with
!! his instructor.  If he can't tell how far away a cloud is while flying,
!! and feels that climbing into/near clouds to get over a mountain is
!! sensible for a student pilot, he shouldn't be flying solo.
!! 
!! 						Matt Ginsberg
!
!Wow, I can see it now.  Mr Ginsberg pitying poor Chinaman, cannot even
!drive, must less fly a plane.  If a Chinaman should make a mistake, that
!means he will do it EVERY time.  We've got ourselves another
!Mr I-never-make-a-mistake, don't we?  :-) 

Easy Mr. Chong. Most of us on the net would not care if you were purple
and came from Mars. You'd get the same sort of response.

As I recall in your first posting you did not indicate that you were
a student. Consequently, most assumed that you were a PP and were
behaving incorrectly. You got told about it. That is the nature of
this group. Most of us are VERY concerned with safety and what you
did was basically unsafe. Learn from the comments.

Matt Ginsberg is right and is not complaining about you. What he
has said is that you need to get with your instructor and clear
up some things. Learn from the comment, don't attack Matt on the
basis of a paranoid racial slur position. Most often comments are
NOT made on the basis of race etc. until after a response such as
yours --- sadly not always true as we all know.

In aviation we all make mistakes. Provided we survive, the important
thing is how we recover from the mistake AND learning from the mistake.
Failure to do the latter, even when you don't like the manner in
which the correction is presented, will get you killed and possibly
lead to the death of someone else -- perhaps even a loved one.

Dave Rogers

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From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:52:49 GMT

From article <1ii2kcINNj29@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by davea@col.hp.com (Dave Allen):
> I would hope for your sake and your passengers' that you
> would be MORE afraid (not less) after an incident like this. Part of learning
> to fly is learning what not to be afraid of, and what TO be afraid of (and
> avoid). A pilot who's not afraid of anything is a scary thing indeed.

Yes, after that incident, cloud is a no-no for me, until if and when I
get IFR.  However I did survived for more than a minute with mountains
that I knew dead-ahead at my flight level.  Not bragging, just saying that
I was lucky.  Part of the problem was that I forgot to pull back the throttle
after doing 180 to drop out of the cloud, hence I continued to climb
(into the cloud).  After pulling back, I finally dropped out into full
(and lovely) visuability.  Very happy to be alive! 
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From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: Racism
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:49:48 GMT

I split this off so that it can be ignored or tracked at will.

hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) has stated:

| [...]since Mr Ginsberg does not know me personally, and the only thing
| he know is that I am not white, then he must think that I cannot learn
| because of the nature of my anchestry.

If he doesn't know you personally, how does he know you aren't white?
Your name?  Your grammar?  Are you claiming that anyone with a name
like yours who types with less than perfect english grammar must be
non-white?  Isn't that a racial steriotype?  And perhaps you will supply
us with the quote where Mr Ginsberg says ``since you are not white you
cannot learn'' or something similar?  Do you accuse everyone who disagrees
with you of being racist?

| Mr Ginsberg may not be racist, and I am very sure he is not, 
| but he was as just plain ol' asking for it.  

If you don't know him, how do you know he *isn't* a racist?  The fact is
you have no factual basis to know whether he is or isn't a racist.  You
are *assuming* he is white, and perhaps you are also assuming he is, say,
jewish.  Apparently you feel that, since you assume he is white, and
you assume he assumes you aren't, you have some kind of moral high ground.

A lession *I* have learned, that may be useful to you, is to take offense
where offense was intended.  When someone wants to insult you they are
not likely to be too subtle.  If you have to search for the insult it
probably isn't there.

-- 
 Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430, Net: witr@rwwa.COM
 R.W. Withrow Associates, 21 Railroad Ave, Swampscott MA 01907-1821 USA
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From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Frost Accumulation Summary
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:48:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.202903.24402@odin.corp.sgi.com>, amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind) writes:

|> unfortunately, none of the discussion produced
|> a viable solution that i could use...
|> but on the flip side, i did find a great
|> bed and breakfast in columbia!


Question:  Does any company sell deicing solution in an aerosol can that
could be reasonably carried in a flight bag, or at least in a baggage
compartment?  If not, why not?  Is there a product idea here for someone?
If an aerosol can isn't practical, what about using something like a 2 gallon
garden sprayer?  What is the solution used by airlines?  Is it commercially
available?  Any ideas?

-- 
***********************************************************************
 Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
 Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
 phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
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From: plummer@vax  (William W. Plummer)
Subject: Re: Frost Accumulation Summary
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: plummer@babyoil.ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 10:41:07

I have seen an engine preheater used to deice a small plane.  Some
places charge for preheats, so I suppose they would do the same for
deicing.   --Bill

--
William W. Plummer, N1NGK	plummer@ftp.com		508-659-6281
FTP Software, Inc.		2 High Street		N. Andover MA 01845
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:10:16 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Greetings!  Well, like the subject says, any tips for someone who will soon
begin flight training in a fixed wing aircraft?  Most probably a Cessna 152..
of course.  What kind of tips?  Oh, anything to help me prepare for training.
Email or post them here.  Thanks!
						Jeffrey S. Jo
--
|Jeffrey S. Jo                   | 	         F-14D Tomcat                 |
|Computer Operations		 |             VF-142 Ghostriders             |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha |       United States Navy F-14 Tomcat       |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu         |              Fighter Squadron              |
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From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:01:22 GMT

From article <LHE.93Jan9211822@yang.sics.se>, by lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson):
> In article <1993Jan8.165249.12464@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
>  ....
>    Yes, after that incident, cloud is a no-no for me, until if and when I
>    get IFR.
> 
> Your wording implies that before the incident, clouds were NOT a
> no-no for you, even without an instrument rating. Why not?

No, before that I had never gone into cloud (other than in a commercial
jet).  Just that after the incident, I am more aware of cloud, in fact,
I would rather not fly at all if there is some broken cloud at the lower
level unless I have my instructor with me. 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
From:  (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Night vision?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:56:23 GMT

In article <66BWBNPM@cc.swarthmore.edu>, jeremy@cs.swarthmore.edu (Jeremy Brest) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know of a source for night vision goggles (or other equip)
> available to non-military consumers, either military surplus or otherwise?
> Pirce range?  Power requirements?
> 
> Please reply by mail.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
> 
> jeremy@cs.swarthmore.edu / jeremy@vix.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
Jeremy, I would be careful if you are planning on flying with the night vision g
goggles on.  I saw a report about a year ago, something about military 
helecopter pilots and the high numbers of accidents attributed to the goggles.
Just my 2 cents. 
and the large numbers of accidents due to the goggles
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From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Subject: Re: Any tips for a pilot-to-be?
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:49:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.215346.10896@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
> The only thing 
>I could conclude from that is that since Mr Ginsberg does not
>know me personally, and the only thing he know is that I am not white, 
>then he must think that I cannot learn because of the nature of my 
>anchestry.

Huh??  Excuse me, but you'd better be careful to revise your psychological
weight and balance if you're going to keep an ethnic chip on your
shoulder of that size.

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov


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From: doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov (David Doshay)
Subject: Re: Help on aviation + IT project required!
Organization: NASA-Ames Biocomputation Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:35:45 GMT

The magazine AOPA Pilot dis an issue several months ago on computers in aviation.
Sorry, but I do not remember the month.

David		doshay@soma.arc.nasa.gov

The thought police insist I tell you:
my thoughts, not NASA's
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