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From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: UNIX: Acronym?
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:29:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.091834.1112@infoware.co.za>
andrewr@infoware.co.za (Andrew Roos) writes:
|> a1001032@cdf.toronto.edu (Fiona Wong) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Dec4.104915.7303@gmd.de> thomas@gmd.de writes:
|> >>I just read in a non-technical magazine that UNIX is an acronym for
|> >>"Universal Network Interactive Exchange" operating system.  Hmmm.  That's
|> >  ^         ^       ^           ^
|> 
|> >Then, why not use UNIE instead of UNIX?? :-)
|> 
|> 
|> >>a new one on me.  Does anyone know where the author may have gotten this idea?
|> >>Is there any truth in it?
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>---
|> 
|> This sounds to me like an attempt to put words to an acronym, not vice-versa.
|> as I understand it, UNIX is a contraction of UNICS which was a play on MULTICS,
|> the operating system which Ritchie and Thompson were working on together before
|> Unix. MULTICS stood for something like "Multiplexed Timesharing Control System"
|> and was an attempt at an interactive multi-user OS which failed because the 
|> project was too large, time dragged on and the backers pulled out. Ritchie and
|> Thompson decided to write their own operating system for a "spare" PDP-8 which
|> was lying around at Bell labs. Since they were incorporating some of the
|> concepts they had been working on for the Multics project, they called it
|> "UNICS". This was later shortened to "Unix".

A couple of points, it was a pdp-7 not a pdp-8 and Unix was developed
by Richard Thompson who (or so the story goes) got tired of taking a
deck of cards to the local gcos system for cross assembly. The name
Unix was supposed to mean the opposite of Multics although as you say
some of the ideas for Unix came from Multics.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Subscription Unix Review Wanted
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:20:13 GMT

In article <199212152043.AA01483@euler.mcs.utulsa.edu> jinguo@euler.mcs.utulsa.edu (Niu Jinguo) writes:
>Hi,there:
>I will appreciate if somebody tell me how to subscribe
>Unix Review. Phone number or e-mail address will prefered.
>Thanx in advance.

editor@ureview.com
(415) 905-2200
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren)
Subject: WANTED: 8bit clean editor
Organization: Computervision Sweden
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:30:48 GMT

emacs19 is suppoedly 8bit clean(at least..), but while
waiting is there another one around (NOT vi ..).
Emacs-like commands are prefered

reply by mail, I will summarize.

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From: crigler@cs.ucf.edu (James Crigler)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: how to return to exactly the same editing spot in vi (not '')
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: eola.crigler.724356872
Organization: University of Central Florida

tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s) writes:

>Hi netters,

>A simple question about vi: when I want to return
>quickly to the previous edited spot and use '',
>the cursor returns to the beginning of the line;
>is there a command (simple! like '') that would return
>me to the exact spot (word, character) last edited on
>that line?

>Tony 

Yes, absolutely!  use `` (two "backquotes" a/k/a "grave accents").  This
will go exactly to the place you marked (or requested an absolute jump
from).

Jim Crigler
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
From: suqfagg@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Graham Edward Fagg)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: mbufs
Keywords: suns mbufs iomem
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:09:50 GMT
Organization: University of Reading



Dear All,
	
I have a problem, and Its pretty urgent (aren't they all).
(So I've cross posted, sorry: comp.sys.misc comp.sys.sun.adm "".misc
 comp.unix.admin comp.unix.misc)

The problem is with a sun4 IPC running SunOS 4.1.1 (BSD 4.3).
During boot up it comes up with an mbufs map full error... this appears
to cause general IO fails due to lack of memory.

Firstly the kernal is unaltered .... and theirs plenty disk space on / /usr
etc...

so why has the error occured and what will stop it and thus allow the
machine to boot up correctly... (it fails on rc.local due to memory problems).

Many thanks in advance,

Graham E Fagg.
Cybernetics Dept.
Reading University.
UK.

e-mail:	G.Fagg@rdg.ac.uk
From: bogstad@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: linux
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:21:07 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD

In article <92Dec15.005502.14968@acs.ucalgary.ca> barker@eneli (Scott Barker) writes:
>Damien P. Neil (dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
>> Linux is a free UNIX for 386/486 computers. ...
>
>> If you plan on installing Linux, I would highly recommend the SLS 
>> distribution, which will give you a fairly complete base system including 
>> many utilities and X/Windows.
>
>You really should check out comp.os.linux as well. There are several problems
>with Linux under different hardware configurations which you might want to
>check out. For one thing, it won't work with Maxtor hard drives (which is
>making a friend of mine quite upset lately).

	Please don't make statements like that without providing specifics.
I'm running Linux right now on a MAXTOR 7213AT IDE hard drive and am having
no problems at all.

				Bill Bogstad
From: shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
Date: 9 Dec 92 19:34:03 GMT
Organization: A/C International

>            WINDOWS NT OFFERS LITTLE NEW TECHNOLOGY, 
>                 SAYS UNIX INTERNATIONAL REPORT
>                        by Maureen O'Gara
>  
>This is the week Unix International gets to take its shot at 
>Microsoft Windows NT thanks to the publication of a detailed 
>study it's had done by Locus Computing Corporation tellingly 
>titled "NT versus Unix," (UX No 411). Taking potshots at NT is 
>fast becoming an industry recreation despite it being a little 
>unfair. NT makes such an easy target. This study, like others 
>before it (UX No 412), finds it's the Microsoft brand not the 
>software that's responsible for the momentum.

	I was unable to check out Microsoft's presentation at FedUNIX last
week, but a few colleagues did, and their response was consistent with
that reported in Open Systems Today (where NT reportedly "stole the show",
at least as regards mind share).

	Based on their comments, and comparing anticipated functionality
and pricing, I must report with some anxiety that Unix on the Desktop could
be in trouble. Two of those colleagues are long-time UNIX practitioners in
both the development and the integration/support areas. They're now proposing
to migrate their current LAN-connected DOS and windows workstations to NT on
a substantial scale, based heavily on current investment, software migration
costs, and the sheer logic of staying within the Microsoft mainstream. The
cost of functional NT they were reporting (somewhere less than $200) could
prove devastating.

	We, on the other hand, have had the opportunity to play with the
latest SVr4.2 (aka Destiny), and it's potentially a rather nice environment.
Migration costs, however, could be frighteningly high, especially in an
office like ours where we're dealing with hundreds of desktop PCs. We've been
reviewing Destiny offerings from both Consensys and Information Foundation
(many of whom came from Dell's UNIX operation) and both are in Santa Cruz
(SCO) territory when considering viable packages (with full networking, DOS
functionality and Motif). Alternatives like Sun's Solaris 2.0 reportedly
will begin at $795 (once it shows up), while Apple's A/UX runs for $600 or so.
None of these figures considers the cost of extra memory, since they all
require about the same for decent performance.

	With people like Info Foundations and Univel asking $395 for just
the DOS Merge suplement (exceeding the likely cost of a full NT client),
it's going to be tough to make the general case for UNIX at the Desktop.
Note that I haven't even touched on the issues of technical support
(usually costly) or training (even more costly).

	More likely, UNIX will continue to prosper where it always has: as a
server, development platform, and technical workstation, and for just the
reasons outlined in the Locus report. For many of those currently laying out
factors IS strategies, however, many of those factors don't hit home. 
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From: bernard@cpio1.fr.mugnet.org (Bernard Fouche)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: How to subscribe the "Unix World"
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:24:19 GMT
Organization: CPIO S.A.


In article <Bz3Bo1.4C4@prd.co.uk>, steve@prd.co.uk (Steve Blinkhorn) writes:
> 
> >The best way to subscribe is to go to a bookstore such as B. Dalton
> >or Waldenbooks who carry it, purchase it and fill out the subscriber
> >card included in the magazine.  If you work for a computer company
> >you can usually get a free subscription.
> 
> Or try emailing circ@uworld.com
> 

I don't know about the U.K. but here in France we receive Unixworld a couple
of weeks after the local bookstore !
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: hans@mo.hobby.nl (Hans Oey)
Subject: Re: linux
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:20:59 GMT
Organization: Makkee & Oey

barker@eneli (Scott Barker) writes:

>You really should check out comp.os.linux as well. There are several problems
>with Linux under different hardware configurations which you might want to
>check out. For one thing, it won't work with Maxtor hard drives (which is
>making a friend of mine quite upset lately).

Please don't tell my drive (Maxtor XT-8380S). It has been
happy with Linux since version 0.11. Having used Venix,
Xenix and Unix (Interactive and Esix) on PC's I believe Linux
gives me best hardware support.

More important reasons _not_ to use Linux could be the
lack of commercial software like accounting software
or databases like Oracle. And the very premature Dos
emulator.
--
Hans Oey
hans@mo.hobby.nl
From: bhouser@sc9.intel.com (Brad Houser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Help with Mail list wanted
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:51:25 GMT
Reply-To: bhouser@sc9.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, California Technology Development


I would like to know how to obtain the names on a mail list given as 
an alias:

	alias@nodename.com

Is this possible or am I just dreaming?

Brad

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[Brad Houser                               Home of Pentium (tm)      ]
[                            bhouser@sc9.intel.com                   ]
[+1-408-765-0494                                                Woof!]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: barker@eneli (Scott Barker)
Subject: Re: linux
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:23:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

peter da silva (peter@ferranti.com) wrote:
>>You really should check out comp.os.linux as well. There are several problems
>>with Linux under different hardware configurations which you might want to
>>check out. For one thing, it won't work with Maxtor hard drives (which is
>>making a friend of mine quite upset lately).

>Which particular Maxtor hard drives? I have some XT4380Es I want to use.

I don't know exactly which drive he has. He has posted to comp.os.linux
looking for help, so you might want to take a look there.

--
Scott Barker
barker@enel.ucalgary.ca

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach him how to fish and he eats
   forever."
   - (?)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s)
Subject: how to return to exactly the same editing spot in vi (not '')
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution:  world
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:52:21 GMT

Hi netters,

A simple question about vi: when I want to return
quickly to the previous edited spot and use '',
the cursor returns to the beginning of the line;
is there a command (simple! like '') that would return
me to the exact spot (word, character) last edited on
that line?

Tony 


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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Someone with AT&T UNIX PC needed!
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 03:12:58 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <1992Dec20.015740.26393@iitmax.iit.edu>
grzyrob@elof.iit.edu (Rob Grzywinski) writes:

|  I recently aquires an AT&T UNIC PC (1985 version, with 20MB Harddrive,
|  [...]
|  Also, if there is someone who has one and could answer a few questions for
|  me that would also be helpful.

The comp.sys.3b1 newsgroup is quite active and is solely dedicated to user
support of the 3B1 (aka PC7300 aka AT&T UNIX PC).  You'll also find its
archive sites at ftp.uu.net and archive.cis.ohio-state.edu (filed under,
I believe, "pc7300").

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: how to return to exactly the same editing spot in vi (not '')
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.005221.17511@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s) writes:
>A simple question about vi: when I want to return
>quickly to the previous edited spot and use '',
>the cursor returns to the beginning of the line;
>is there a command (simple! like '') that would return
>me to the exact spot (word, character) last edited on
>that line?


   `` is what you want.
-- 
Jean-Pierre Radley   Unix in NYC   jpr@jpr.com   jpradley!jpr   CIS: 72160.1341
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: UNIX: Acronym?
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:31:25 GMT


etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:

>A couple of points, it was a pdp-7 not a pdp-8 and Unix was developed
>by Richard Thompson who (or so the story goes) got tired of taking a
>deck of cards to the local gcos system for cross assembly.

When Unix was first developed, Richard Thompson was still the
lead guitarist of Fairport Convention, a great British folk-rock group.
Perhaps you mean Ken Thompson?

;-)

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com
Disc claimer:  "Hey!  That's my floppy!")

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: eric@homebase.vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson)
Subject: Re: UNIX: Acronym?
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:23:06 GMT

dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes:


>etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:

>>A couple of points, it was a pdp-7 not a pdp-8 and Unix was developed
>>by Richard Thompson who (or so the story goes) got tired of taking a
>>deck of cards to the local gcos system for cross assembly.

>When Unix was first developed, Richard Thompson was still the
>lead guitarist of Fairport Convention, a great British folk-rock group.
>Perhaps you mean Ken Thompson?

Yes, I think he probably meant Ken.  And on a different note, according to
one of the 'History of UNIX' articles I have perused, the term UNIX
is attributed to Brian Kernighan.  Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm".

>;-)

>Dan Breslau
>dan@codex.com
>Disc claimer:  "Hey!  That's my floppy!")

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From: tony_wosnjuk@novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: SYSTEM CALLS TESTS
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:38:55 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.


Do any of know about any test suites which test UNIX SYSTEM CALLS?

If you do, please let me know.

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
From: sean@mks.com (Sean Goggin)
Subject: Re: unix tutorial et al.
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems, Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:16:49 GMT

		salomon@seas.gwu.edu (A. Lee Salomon) writes:

		i am a unix newbie who will be living with nothing but
		ibm-compatibles running dos for the next couple of
		weeks.  i would like to continue learning unix (am a
		unix Newbie -- note the cap N!) and ran across an ad
		for MKS Learning Unix on DOS.  i am tempted to buy it
		but would like some other opinions first.  could anyone
		tell me anything about it?  are there other such
		programs out there?

	dfox@quack.sac.ca.us (David Fox) writes:

	I don't know what the 'MKS Learning Unix on DOS' is.  If it's
	the MKS toolkit, that appears to be very good. It's essentially
	a ton of Unix programs ported to DOS - they've gone to great
	lengths to make this look as much like unix as is possible
	given the obvious restrictions that DOS has.

It's the last version of the MKS Toolkit and a introductory book on
unix, for lower price.

	... There are DOS packages that do UUCP, but they have a
	major disadvantage - they take over the whole machine, since
	DOS is a single-tasking OS. 

The current 4.1 (just released) version of the MKS Toolkit has a 
uucp for DOS that runs as a background TSR.
-- 
Sean.Goggin..sean@mks.com.............Mortice.Kern.Systems.Waterloo.Ontario.Can.
From: rcroger@svin01.win.tue.nl (Roger Beckers)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: postscript to HPGL
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:30:16 GMT
Reply-To: rcroger@win.tue.nl

Hello,

I'm looking for a postscript to HPGL convertor.
Is there such a utility out there?

Roger Beckers,

Eindhoven University of Technology
Faculty of Mathematics and Computing Science, HG 6.05  +31 40 472802
P.O.Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands
E-mail: rcroger@win.tue.nl
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit
From: ray@Celestial.COM (Ray Jones)
Subject: Re: Where do you shop (was: UNIX/286)
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:53:59 GMT

In <BCR.92Dec11155136@hfl3sn02.cern.ch> bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:


>>   Really?  Where do you live, anyway?  Around here, you can get a
>>   386SX/25 motherboard with no RAM for $100-$115.  Even if you have to
>>   spend $35/MB for 4MB of RAM (because your 286 takes DIP chips and your
>>   386 takes SIMMs, for example), that's still under $300 for a 386
>>   upgrade.  $300 is a lot less than $2300.  (For $2300, you could get a
>>   brand-new 486SX/25 machine with 8MB of RAM, a 200MB hard drive, and
>>   SuperVGA.  That machine will run Unix at least a factor of 25 faster
>>   than your 286 does.)

>Please tell me where you do your shopping!  I've been out of the country
>for two years, and when I return this Chrismax, I plan on purchasing a
>new computer.  (Typically electronics in the US cost 25-50% of what they
>cost in Europe.)  The type of system you describe for $2300 sounds almost
>exactly like what I want.

I don't know what part of the country the $2300 quote came from, but here
in the Seattle area (WA) that price seems high.  I am setting here reading a
flyer from a local dealer (with typical prices).
486 DX/33Mhz
4Mb RAm
130Mb drive (IDE)
1.2Mb & 1.44Mb floppies
101 Keyboard
512K SVGA Accelerator
SVGA Monitor (.28dp)
2 serial & 1 parrallel Ports
1 year parts & labor Warr
Total Price = $1,649   & the 486 SX/25 Mhz (same other stuff) = $1,249
the 486DX/50 is $1,849
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: UNIX/286
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:42:35 GMT

In article <1698@airgun.wg.waii.com> reed@rd08.wg2.waii.com writes:
> In article <Bz2oo6.A63@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>, mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
> |> (For $2300, you could get a
> |> brand-new 486SX/25 machine with 8MB of RAM, a 200MB hard drive, and
> |> SuperVGA.  That machine will run Unix at least a factor of 25 faster
> |> than your 286 does.)

> Actually, make that a 486DX/33 and drop the price to $1950.  At least
> that's what I paid for the above system in July.

But up the price to $2100 because of the latest idiot RAM-chip import
quotas.
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So, does anyone MAKE RAM in the US any more, anyway?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: idea for non-cached mem above 16M (was Which motherboard?)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.231244.22459@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:
> I haven't tried anything like that, and frankly, I don't want to.

Be better off writing a driver that treated it as a big RAM disk, and then
you could use it for primary swap space, a fast /tmp file system, or if you
run CNEWS just symlink /usr/spool/news/in.coming to point there...
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