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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.165838.13614@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.221639.3826@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J.
>Johnsen) writes:
>
>   > The football coaching position in Monroe, Oregon was held for
>   > many years by a man named Richard Head.  He insisted on
>   > Richard.  Didn't get it too often, though.
>
>Many years ago, as a clerk at the university library, I was checking faculty
>overdues when I came across a card for a person whose last name was Fallis.
>I thought it would be rather amusing if his parents had named him Richard.
>When I moved my hand to see what his first name actually was, I nearly fell
>off my stool...it was Richard.  Either his parents had no clue, or it was a
>him...Dick.

Giving children unusual names is cruel. My father chose to give me
a name that is unpronounceable, unpleasant sounding, and has caused
me a great deal of embarrassment. (In elementary school teachers tended
to rename me, commenting as they did so "you're in America now." Considering
that many of my ancestors arrived here over 15,000 years ago, I should
certainly assume that I wasn't in, say, Scotland.)

An important test for girls' names is the
Will you marry me ______?
Will you play with me _____?
Let's promote ____?

There is a greater temptation to give funny names to girls than to boys.
My father's family followed an old German custom of giving girls horrid
names so that they would marry promptly. I have two cousins (sisters)
named Mona and Lisa. An aunt named Florinda. 

 

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: gregk@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (gregory.p.kochanski)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Airplanes/Car Seats
Keywords: infant restraining devices airlines regulations
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:19:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

For those who were interested in the Airline/ Car seat question, the
Final Rule entered my mailbox today.  It consists of pages 42662-42676 of
the Federal Register, and modifies a variety of misc. chunks of federal aviation
regulations.

What it boils down to is this:
Children under two may be held in the lap _or_
(if a seat is available) be in an approved car seat.
If there is a seat, and your car seat is approved, they have to let you use it.

The airline is not required to make a seat available, unless (of course)
you buy a ticket for the infant.  They are not required to keep car seats
handy for your use, however they can (if they want).

"Approved" means
(if made before 1985) a label saying "This child restraint system conforms to
all applicable Federal motor vehicle standards."

or (if 1985 or after): two labels, one saying the same as above, and
the other saying "This restraint is certified for use in motor vehicles and
aircraft."

Or, it can be UN approved, or approved by a foreign country.

Greg Kochanski   gpk@physics.att.com
AT&T Physics Research -- Physics for Fun and Profit
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Funny things they say
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:42:20 GMT

In article <1anjsuINNl3d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
> So, I came up with an upper case "B" with face, eyes, and all
>pitching to a lower case "b" holding a bat, as if it were a parent and
>child playing baseball.  Matthew drew an upper and lower case "I" eating
>ice-cream cones.  He enjoyed it, and it might be a neat way for kids to
>further associate letters with words, if the child enjoys drawing.
>     (I was at a loss for works with letters like "V", though, where
>all anyone could come up with was 2 "v"s on vacation, out on the beach.)

How about playing the violin and/or viola?

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: My toddler the bully(?)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:48:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1872@hsdndev.UUCP>, traite@puccini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite) writes:
> 
> I have a 21 month old daughter who is friendly and outgoing 
> around adults and children older than herself, with children
> her age or a little younger however, she acts like a bully
> usually pushing them down or even hitting them.  Does anyone
> have any suggestions?  Is this part of "toddlerhood"?

I think it is part of toddlerhood - and if it's not "nipped in the
bud" by being dealt with in a firm but loving fashion it may become
engrained in the child's behavior for years to come (maybe - what do
you net folks think of this thesis?).  Since becoming a toddler our
Sean has become rather aggressive also. It doesn't really seem to be
"mean" aggression, more just testing the waters, often reacting to
stuff that his big brother does. I was horrified last week when I
picked Sean up at daycare to find a note from one of the teachers saying
that he had hit another kid in the face with a toy shovel! I think the
key to this kind of thing is very patient, consistent correction and
judicious use of time-outs. Let the child know that this behavior
is not acceptable, let him/her know that you are not pleased with the
behavior, and suggest non-violent alternatives for dealing with
conflict situations ("If you are mad at Michael, say to him 'I am
mad at you, Michael' instead of hitting him"). Of course, a certain 
amount of toddler aggression seems to come "out of the blue", 
but maybe it's just a delayed reaction to conflicts and stresses that 
they have been feeling. I think Sean knows that it's wrong when he 
hits, etc. When he hits or kicks or otherwise strikes out at his older 
brother, enough to make Brendan cry, Sean will very quickly find or 
make an opportunity to "hurt" himself and make himself cry too. I'm sure 
this is partly to attract sympathy/defuse parental anger, but also 
serves to punish himself for his misdeed.

If a child is raised in a loving environment where violent, aggressive
behavior is not condoned, s/he will learn to handle her/his aggressive
feelings and to find other ways to express them beside violence. Of
course, this may mean that a few years down the road you have to
deal with an epidemic of "poopoo-head" talk instead of hitting!

Good luck with it all,

Richard
From: handle@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Handleton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Car Seats After an Accident
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:43:49 GMT
Reply-To: handle@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Handleton)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I haven't seen any subject headings like this in my few weeks of
scanning this newsgroup, so I'd like to relate my experience.

My wife and son and myself were rear-ended on the interstate at
the beginning of June. My then 2-1/2 year old son was asleep in
his seat, in the center of the rear seat at impact./(oh what I'd
give for a delete key) At one point afterward he was complaining
of a stiff neck, but that was after hearing my wife and I complaining.
He also complained of suffering from stiff hair and a stiff belly-
button. His doctor checked him out and he was fine.

Anyway, the owners booklet of the Century carseat said replace it if
it is involved in an accident, so we did, keeping the receipt for the
insurance company.  But... we got the replacement instruction from a
friend with the same seat, we had lost our original booklet. I called
the company to ask for a replacement booklet so I would have some proof
that it was supposed to be replaced.  They asked for details of the
accident, and when I gave them all the info they wanted said something
which boiled down to this:  As a service to their customers they would
replace the seat at no charge with the same model, we payed about $12
for return shipping in the box the new one arrived in.

Needless to say we were very pleased with Century's service, after being
greatly thankful for their seat's performance in an accident which left
my wife and I suffering from neck injury.

I hope someone benefits from the tidbit of info buried in this epic.


Bob
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:05:41 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

I just had to comment after I read the post about the little girl who wants to
grow up to be a wife and mother.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
My daughter (now age 9) says that she is going to be a doctor when she grows
up.  She also wants to get married and have children, but she tell us that
there is no way she will have 4 children (like Mom does).  I think that she
has a realistic view of things.
 
Yes, it is possible to mix career and family.  But, it is extremely difficult
and gets more difficult the more kids you have.  You have to make trade offs
that other (non-parent) types don't need to make.  It is impossible to 'have it
all' - I get to go to some of the kids school activities (but miss others
because of work conflicts) and I get a career (but am not advancing as fast
by choice as I could be).
 
I grew up with parents who said "When you go to college." and "When you have
a job." - It never occurred to me not to do this.  But, I wanted a family also.
I got my wish with Kelly (9), Katie (6 1/2), Timmy (3 1/2) and Tommy (3 1/2).
I would not give them up for anything.  But...
 
I am so very tired.  My biggest wish is to have just one evening where I
could sit down at 8 pm and KNOW that EVERYTHING that needed to be done is done.
I don't mean everything that should get done, I mean the necessities.
 
My second biggest wish (which ocassionally gets fulfilled by my husband) is
to spend the day in my house ALL ALONE.  I am never alone (I think it's time
to enforce some bathroom privacy rules at our house :).
 
I think that children these days (especially the girls) should be given a
realistic picture of the choices they have and not be led to believe that they
can 'have it all'.
 
Thanks for listening,
Teresa
 
PS Companies need to allow some flexibility - alternate work weeks, part
   time, etc.  Most of them don't (even when they publically say they do).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu (gary anderson)
Subject: Help adopt this child...
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:35:17 GMT


I am posting this for a friend;  if you would like to know more,
please email me (ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu) with your address
and/or phone and my friend will contact you:

"I am trying to locate someone who is interested in international
adoption and has the desire and means to accept a handicapped child.
Serguei is a Russian boy, 4 l/2 years old, who is now in an
orphanage in Moscow.  He is a very attractive and intelligent little
boy, but because of his orthopedic problems, is unadoptable in
Russia.  In fact, his future there is not very hopeful.  Medical
treatment is not available for him there.  He is, however, completely
eligible by Moscow authorities for foreign adoption.
     
"He has shortened limbs and genetic deformities of hips, feet and
hands;  but surgeons here, who have at his X-rays, say that he can
be helped to walk.  It is not certain whether there may be further
problems until an examination is made.  Though I am not able to adopt
this little child myself, I am anxious to help him.  I have made
tentative arrangements for his treatment at Shriner's Hospital
in San Francisco, but he needs parents who will love and nurture
him, and will help him overcome the difficulties he faces.  More
information is available.  Please email Gary Anderson at
ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu."

###








Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:30:37 GMT

In article <GeraldR.88.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes:

>My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
>think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.

>I don't remember ever wanting this. Do other children like it? Is there 
>something significant about rubbing the back that really helps (like 
>twirling hair in pre-schoolers)? Or is it just a habit that works for her 
>because a carer told her it would 6 or seven years ago? She says other kids 
>she know like it to, but I wonder if she told them about it?

I have received quite a few email responses. I see this is far from rare. 
Some kids want it until they fall asleep, but the norm seems to be to use it 
for them to relax. Kids even come up with the idea themselves (I should 
never underestimate children's ingenuity.) Even some grown ups like it. (I 
intend to ask my wife next time I have trouble falling asleep.)

One respondent pointed out that when babies are held they are often patted 
on the back. This may start a pattern that they associate with comfort 
and maybe falling asleep.

Thanks to all for the responses.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.035904.11332@news.acns.nwu.edu> learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.114848.1596@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich writes:
>
>>	No you didn't read it.  Sugar has nothing to do with it.
>
>In spite of dissent regarding studies done regarding these issues,
>there is a higher than expected correlation between sugar and
>manifestations in ADDH. I will not argue the possibility that
>some of the results were perhaps skewed because "something was done"
>and the best possible resulted. It is impossible to do a double blind
>study on something like sugar deprivation after all.
>
>On the other hand, a small number of bipolar depressives were also managed 
>relatively well in Chicago for a few years using sugar deprivation.
>
>Bill Vajk
>
	The only effect sugar has is to enhance the higher energy
	level of a kid reacting to something else.  We specifically
	bought a certain brand of chocholate for our daughter which
	has no colorings of preservatives.   It was Hersheys dark
	chocolate.  No behavior change whatsoever.

	Note: I am not making blanket statements about who's sensitive
	to what.  Everyone is different.  And it is possible for
	someone to have a sugar problem.  But it is not prevailant.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Question about differences in pregnancies...
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:21:18 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne) writes:
> First off, I AM PREGNANT!!!!!!!!!  Yeah!!  

Congrats!  Oh, and I'm sorry about your "!" key being stuck.  Grape jelly? :-)

> I have been queasy on and off, but not deadly ill. ... So, what is the 
> consensus? Were your pregnancies drastically different???  

You'll probably be annoyed when at some point your doctor tells you that
all pregnancies are different, and yours is no exception.  In many ways,
it's true (in our direct experiences with 5 of 'em, and indirectly with 
many more).  

I think it may be that nausea is worst with the first baby and lessens 
after that -- Jo taught ballet every day for the first 7 or 8 months of 
our third pregnancy with no problems at all (YMMV), having been classically
nauseated during our first.  

Then too "signs" that your body sent you last time (frequency of 
Braxton-Hicks contractions, energy level, sex drive, etc.), especially 
near delivery, may change, including being absent or false this time.  
It can begin to grate on your nerves.  With our last child, we were such 
pros, and we were *sure* Jo was in the final part of early labor.  The 
midwife checked her out, and refused to admit her, saying that she was 
only about 1.5 cm dilated.  We knew about this from previous pregnancies,
and tried to tell her that in the past she had gone to 7cm and wanted to 
push within a few quick hours.  She nodded, and repeated that every 
pregnancy is different (I did not throttle her at that time).  She then 
said the classic line (which may appear as a chapter heading if we do a 
birthing book someday), "You just can't argue with a firm cervix."  With 
that she sent us home.  I think it was the next day that labor finally 
commenced and Vanessa was born.  

Anyway: Yes, they're different.  No, you shouldn't worry.  This sort 
of thing has been going on for a loooong time. :-)  

Have fun!

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
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From: kms5s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Kristin Margaret Semon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:28:11 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

I would first of all like to congratulate Holly on her
courageous struggle to overcome quite a debilitating disorder.
Then I will add that it HAS been found that both ADD and ADHD
are brain abnormalities.  Only a doctor can truly diagnose ADD
or ADHD- not a teacher or principal or whoever by using a
checklist. Taking this information into consideration, one may
guess that not as many kids actually have ADD or ADHD, but
suffer from some other problem such as seizures or allergies.
And Ritalin really does work- for those children who truly have
ADHD and sometimes for those with ADD.  The problem with
diagnosis is that too many people become frustrated with a
child's behavior and immediately write him off as ADD/ADHD in
order to get him on medication.  We really must be extremely
careful when we label kids!  Oh, and the Feingold diet and
other diets have no effect on behavior, just as caffeine has no
effect.  Since these behaviors originate in the brain, sugar,
caffeine, etc. does nothing to control or provoke them-- that's
why the drugs work!!

Kristin M. Semon
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Subject: Re: maternity clothes...where to buy cheap...when...and what...
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:41:18 GMT

In article <Bv1GAu.L3B@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>My first time, as if you couldn't tell.  I'm starting 10 weeks 
>now, and starting to think about maternity clothes already, 
>though I can probably go without at least another 2 months.
>.....
>I was thinking I'd need 4-5 dresses to wear to work, 
>maternity-size underwear, a pair of expandable jeans and a few 
>big tops.  Any other suggestions?

I've so far been unable to decide what to buy, and as I'm (according
to LMP) due today, I think the problem has solved itself in a rather
cheap way! So don't buy to much - you might not need it!

Some factors that have contributed to this might be:
1) Started rather over-weigth, pregnancy sickness for six months, no
place to put food after that. So far, I'm about one lb below the
weight I started with.
2) Prefere loose clothes; pants with elastics round my waist (I
usually expand several inches when menstruating, and don't want to
have two sets of pants), wide blouses. Wearing pants without belt, and
the blouse outside instead of stuffed inside the pants can solve much.
Besides, I've got broad hips and a big bossom, so anything that can
pass those obstacles has plenty of room for a big tummy.
3) Don't have to look impressive. I'm a student and teacher at the
Royal Institute of Technology, and you are not supposed to look
elegant there.

If 2) and 3) doesn't apply to you, you'll probably need maternity
clothes, but you'll never know if some of the factors in 1) may be
valid. (I started to throw up in the seventh week, if I remember
correctly).

P.S. According to ultra-sound I'm not due until next Tuesday. I'll
post a pregnancy- and birth-story sometime after that.

Good luck!

-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Giving birth under water
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:59:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Regarding giving birth underwater:  there is a birthing center in the LA
area that specializes in water births.  If anyone is really interested,
e-mail me directly and I'll dig up their phone number.  They could  
probably answer any questions about water birthing you might have
(with a biased viewpoint of course).

ann

ann@alumni.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:50:46 GMT

In article <1ai5o2INNn0g@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula
Burch) wrote:

> The group that advocates not giving any cow's milk to children, ever, 
> is an 8000-member group of animal-rights activist physicians, which 
> believes that using cows for milk is unethical. This makes any of 
> their pronouncements on the subject of the safety of cows milk 
> rather untrustworthy, since their purpose is to promote an agenda 
> unrelated to health factors.

How many members does the Dairy industry have and what is their 
purpose in promoting consumption of dairy products?  

While I'm probably one of the dairy industry's largest (literally,
at the moment ;-) consumers, I have to say that this controversy
is one that won't ever get resolved because neither side is unbiased.
As Paula states, it is our US protein rich diet which seems to necessitate
the larger amounts of calcium required.  Maybe that's what people should
be concentrating on?  Look at the studies done with milk consumers vs.
cheese consumers (France, I think)?  What about countries where 
dairy is almost unheard of in the diet, like in Asia?  Ya think those kids 
gets the message that kale and broccoli (or their equivilents) are YUCKY?


> Paula Burch
> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
day_kevran@tandem.com
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 13:30:31 -0400 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
	<1992Oct1.165838.13614@newstand.syr.edu>

On 01-Oct-92 in Re: Names (don't do this to..
user Keith E Gatling@rodan.ac writes:
>On a similar note, a roommate of mine who was going for his Masters in
>English at the time, told me that during his time at the university he had
>had professors Fallis, Cox, and Hardin.

This defintely beats the one week in my first pregnancy that I had
appointments on three successive days with Dr. Leff, Dr. Wright, and Dr.
Wong (internist, neurologist, and hemotologist).

Laura