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From: starke@RHRK.UNI-KL.DE (Gerolf Starke)
Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
Subject: J. Doyne Farmer > all right now
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:25:31 GMT
Reply-To: Gerolf Starke <starke@RHRK.UNI-KL.DE>
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

To everyone who replied to my does-anyone-know-the-e-mail-address-
of-Doyne-Farmer-question.

Thanks a lot.
Well, he has many e-mail numbers.
But I contacted him successful.
Thanx.

Gerolf J. Starke
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Institute of Applied Mechanics                internet: starke@rhrk.uni-kl.de
University of Kaiserslautern, 6750            compuserve: 100010,3451
Germany                                       fax: +49/631/205-3055
From: bmb11@cus.cam.ac.uk (B.M. Bolker)
Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
Subject: dstool: looking for add-ons etc.
Summary: has anybody written useful extensions to share?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:25:30 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England


     I just went and got the latest version of dstool, which I'd heard
about, set it up on my system (Sparc 1 running SunOS 4.1.2/OW 3.0),
added my favourite equations (sinusoidally-forced SEIR (epidemiology/chaos)).
Everything works fine.
     *However* there wasn't as much functionality as I'd thought.  I'm
certainly not complaining ... the interface is very pretty and extensible.
I'm not really an X-hacker, though, and I had been hoping that things like
(e.g.) bifurcation diagram windows, 3-D windows (which I understand are under
development), and particularly things like local Lyapunov exponent calculation
were going to be in there.  As it stands dstool is fun but not much use to me,
and I don't think I have the time or the skill to do major enhancements.
   So the question is: do people out there have, or know of, publicly-available
extensions to dstool?  As I hinted above I'm particularly interested in 
nonlinear toys--correlation dimension analyzers, local divergence/Lyap.
exponent calculators, perhaps nonlinear forecasting code--and ways of
generating bifurcation diagrams.
   Or is there more functionality in kaos?  One person thought there might
be but wasn't sure.
   I'd like to emphasize that I am *not* bitching at the developers for what
they have/have not done.  What's there is fine, it's just not advanced enough
for what I want to do/have the time and knowledge to do myself.  If I can't
find dstool stuff I'll just write the necessary pieces in boring old c code.
   Replies by e-mail, I'll summarize if I get anything interesting.

  Ben Bolker
  bmb11@cus.cam.ac.uk (internet), uk.ac.cam.cus (JANET): Dep't of Zoology

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From: watson@maths.uwa.oz.au (David Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
Subject: Re: Specialized software
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:26:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

watson@maths.uwa.oz.au (David Watson) writes:

>ftp    madvax.uwa.edu.au    /pub/dddd/*

The IP number for madvax is  130.95.16.1

Dave Watson                          Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au
Department of Mathematics            
The University of Western Australia               Tel: (61 9) 380 3359
Nedlands, WA 6009  Australia.                     FAX: (61 9) 380 1028
--
Dave Watson                          Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au
Department of Mathematics            
The University of Western Australia               Tel: (61 9) 380 3359
Nedlands, WA 6009  Australia.                     FAX: (61 9) 380 1028
Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
From: kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Keith Briggs rba8 7088)
Subject: chaos software for IBM PC
Keywords: chaos, odes, maps
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:31:50 GMT



                                  ODE
                                  ---

An IBM PC interactive simulator for systems of ordinary differential or
difference equations.   Intended for educational use or small research
problems.  Assumes basic undergraduate knowledge of maths, but has been used at
high school level.   Especially useful for demonstrating chaotic systems.
Public domain version available free.


Features of full version 2.6:

  Easy-to-use menus with mouse support.
  Built-in text editor.
  Equations entered in natural notation, stored in ASCII files.
  Up to 18 coupled ODEs.
  Automatic plotting of solution (CGA,EGA,VGA).
  LaTeX and postscript output of graphs for publication-quality graphics.
  Output of solution to file.
  Several different ode algorithms, up to 6th order.
  Many example files included, including chaotic.
  Printed manual with tutorial and reference section.

A few features are lacking in the public domain version.
Used at many Australian and US universities, and other sites around the
world.  Author: Keith Briggs.


To get public domain version 2.6
--------------------------------

Format: zip archive.   USE BINARY MODE TRANSFER !

Anonymous ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu  (edu/math/msdos/diff.equations)

Sample Unix session:
% ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
ftp> anonymous
ftp> <your username>
ftp> cd edu/math/msdos/diff.equations
ftp> bin
ftp> get ode26.zip
ftp> quit
 
Now get the file `ode26.zip' to your PC with ftp or kermit (binary again!),
to a clean directory ODE.   Then

C:\ODE>pkunzip ode26
C:\ODE>more <readme
C:\ODE>ode

After trying it, please mail your comments and suggestions!
And give ode26.zip to your friends.

(The site simtel-20 has an earlier version in PD1:<MSDOS.EDUCATION>ODE25.ZIP)


To get full version 2.6
-----------------------

Email: 
kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU

Mail:
Keith Briggs,
Department of Mathematics,
University of Melbourne,
Parkville 3052,
Australia.

or

PO Box 75
Heidelberg West
Australia 3081


Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
From: vanadis@cs.dal.ca (Jose Castejon-Amenedo)
Subject: Specialized software
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:34:12 GMT


	I am looking for ftpable software for dynamical systems
research (broadly speaking), mainly (but not exclusively) for
Unix-based X systems. Can anybody out there please give me a few
pointers? 

	Thanks in advance.


JCA
vanadis@cs.dal.ca

Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
From: me@four.ucdavis.edu (amhastings@ucdavis.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.theory.dynamic-sys
Subject: Re: Chaos Programs by Holden and Muhamad
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:49:49 GMT
Reply-To: me@four.ucdavis.edu
Organization: U C DAVIS


For SUNS, I have used both INSITE (not free, but very reasonably priced) and
DSTOOL (available on the INTERNET).  The programs have slightly different strengths,
and we use both -- they are valuable tools.

For PC's, I know of INSITE and PHASER, which comes with a book by H. Kocak, which
is published by Springer.

For MACS, there is a package called MacMath by Hubbard and West, again published
by Springer


Alan Hastings
amhastings@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.theory
From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Subject: Re: Fixed point semantics
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-4753]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:14:38 GMT


skow@cs.utwente.nl
Jacek Skowronek:
>>		What does it mean when "a language gives
>>		a least fixed point semantics"?

<1992Sep9.065818.9053@odin.diku.dk> rose@diku.dk
(Mads Rosendahl):
>	Fixed Point Semantics is often used for the kind
>	of Denotational Semantics which is based on Domain Theory

Stoy writes that Scott invented Domain Theory to give
Denotational Semantics on a firm mathematical foundation.
So what kind of denotational semantics is _not_ based
(at least implicitly) on domain theory?

>	and where one does not require the semantics in some sense
>	to be computable (ie. based on the lambda calculus).

It is my impression that the language of Domain Theory
_is_ a lambda notation, albeit one that was specifically
created to represent elements of a pre-conceived mathematical
model (the domain).

As for Domain Theory not being computable, I thought the notion
of _continuity_ (a notion which permeates domain theory)
which was motivated by the desire to ensure computability.

If you rely only on continuous operations over continuous
domains, then how can the semantics be uncomputable?
Chapter 10 of David Schmidt's text discusses work
by Uwe Pleban and others on use of denotational semantics
as an interpreter-generator.

------------------------------------------
Frank Silbermann	fs@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA
Newsgroups: comp.theory
From: frank@Cookie.secapl.com (Frank Adams)
Subject: Re: What kind of an automaton is this?
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 17:25:53 GMT
Organization: Security APL, Inc.

In article <4QU69WW@math.fu-berlin.de> dww@inf.fu-berlin.de writes:
>We've been discussing on comp.compilers the kind of parsing automaton that is described in
>DeRemer[CACM 71] as being an SLR-Parser. It is not the kind of PDA I
>learned about when I studied Automata Theory with the next state and the
>output being determined by the current state, the top of the stack, and
>the current symbol in the input. In this "strange" automaton the lhs of
>the production being reduced is returned to the input after the stack
>has been popped. This is not just backing up over input, but non-terminals
>can be built up on the input, perhaps with a number of epsilon productions.
>Some people have said "oh yes, we like that and have a hack to use it"
>but it is unclear what exactly the computational complexity of this
>automaton is. LR parsing is clearly a subset of what this automaton can
>do - just don't do any of the strange reductions. 

Such automata are in fact Turing-complete.  Regard the concatenation of the
items on the stack and the "input" as a Turing-machine tape.  The machine
can move forward by shifting symbols, and backward by special singleton
reductions.  New tape can be added by epsilon-productions.  (This is just an
outline of the construction, but it works.)

If you don't permit epsilon productions, you have the equivalent of a Turing
machine with a bounded tape; hence exactly the context-sensitive languages
can be recognized.
Xref: sparky comp.periphs:1261 comp.sys.sgi:13674 comp.sys.sun.hardware:4412
From: john@gozer.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Fwu/MIT)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs,comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Exabyte tape cartridge stackers
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:51:06 GMT
Organization: nasa-jsc

In article <11SEP199210003152@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep7.025507.3128@pta.pyramid.com.au>, johnz@pta.pyramid.com.au (John Zornig) writes...
|> Operative information ------------------------->^^^
|> 
|> >In article <1992Sep4.143910.427@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:
|> >>What I really care about is reliability.  The ACL-600 is mechanically
|> >>simpler, but depends on gravity for some things - it could end up being
|> >>less reliable.  If anyone has real-world experience using either one
|> > 
|> >Personally, I have never experienced unreliable gravity. ;-)
|> 
|> Sure ! Where *you* are, it works backwards anyway ! :-)
|> 
|> -- Stephen
|> 
|> 	"Some people live their dreams, some people close their eyes.
|> 	 Some people's destiny... passes by"
|> 
|> 					"I'll Be Over You"   -- Toto
|> 

Does anyone know the price for the ACL-600?  Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks.

-- 
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Integrated Graphics Operations and Analysis Laboratory (IGOAL)
NASA JSC, ER6, Houston, TX 77058  | Voice: (713) 483-8101 FAX: 483-3204
_______________________________________________________________________
Xref: sparky comp.periphs:1238 misc.wanted:8285 misc.misc:3283
From: robbie@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (G.Robert Arrabito)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs,misc.wanted,misc.misc
Subject: want serial to parallel convertor whcich is battery powered or runs off serial port
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:33:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.periphs
Distribution: na
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

Anyone know of mail order catalogues which have serial input to parallel output
convertors which are either battery powered or powered from the
serial port of the host computer.

Robert Arrabito
e-mail: robbie@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Newsgroups: comp.periphs,comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: john@storcon.UUCP (John Hunley)
Subject: Re: Exabyte tape cartridge stackers
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:50:51 GMT
Organization: Storage Concepts, Inc.


In article <1992Sep4.143910.427@imax.imax.com>, dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:
|> What I really care about is reliability.  The ACL-600 is mechanically
|> simpler, but depends on gravity for some things - it could end up being
|> less reliable.

Frankly, I'll put my money on gravity over mechanical devices any day when
it comes to reliability.  When's the last time your gravity was down?
-- 
                            John Hunley
   Storage Concepts, Inc.                  UUCP:  uunet!storcon!john
   1622 Deere Ave.                        Voice:  (714) 852-8511
   Irvine, CA  92714                        FAX:  (714) 557-5064
Xref: sparky comp.periphs:1233 misc.misc:3273 misc.wanted:8262
From: robbie@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (G.Robert Arrabito)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs,misc.misc,misc.wanted
Subject: want parallel to serial convertor housed in a cable??
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:00:24 GMT
Followup-To: comp.periphs
Distribution: na
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

Anyone know whether there exists a parallel to serial convertor 
housed in a cable? If so, where can you get them and how do they 
compare with traditional parallel to serial convertors?


Robert Arrabito
e-mail: robbie@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Xref: sparky comp.periphs:1226 comp.sys.sgi:13355 comp.sys.sun.hardware:4261
From: johnz@pta.pyramid.com.au (John Zornig)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs,comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Exabyte tape cartridge stackers
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:58:30 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney

In article <1992Sep4.143910.427@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:
>
>What I really care about is reliability.  The ACL-600 is mechanically
>simpler, but depends on gravity for some things - it could end up being
>less reliable.  If anyone has real-world experience using either one

Sorry, I can't resist.

Has gravity "let you down" in the past. :-)


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    ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation Pty. Ltd.
  -----mmmmm--- 8th Floor, 307 Queen Street               tel. +61 7 221 6772
-------mmmmmmm- Brisbane, Queensland 4000 AUSTRALIA       fax  +61 7 221 1989
Newsgroups: comp.periphs
From: gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland)
Subject: DAT DDS tapes
Distribution: world
Organization: nexnix
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:57:06 +0000

Why do I have to use data tapes in a DAT backup system?
Surely a DAT is digital data too.
Or is it only the mechanics that are the same, and the electronics
are different to achieve a higher data rate?
If so, what other DAT systems will be compatible with my HP DAT?
(ie who can send me DAT tapes, and who can I send them to?).

Thanks in advance - Gary
From: br197@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael T. Gercevich)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs
Subject: Parallel PC Tape Backup?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 13:56:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br197@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael T. Gercevich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Help,

I am looking for an external tape backup system that will easily connect
to a PCs parallel port and allow me to quickly backup the documents on
20+ PCs (standalone) and then quickly upload them to a network server.
We are installing a network in Prague Czech. so the unit can't be too
huge (I've got to carry it).

Thanks in advance,
Michael Gercevich
PC/Network Analyst -- Squire, Sanders & Dempsey
(216)687-3452  Fax:(216)687-3401

br197@cleveland.freenet.edu

Newsgroups: comp.periphs,comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Exabyte tape cartridge stackers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 11 Sep 1992 10:00 EST  

In article <1992Sep7.025507.3128@pta.pyramid.com.au>, johnz@pta.pyramid.com.au (John Zornig) writes...
Operative information ------------------------->^^^

>In article <1992Sep4.143910.427@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:
>>What I really care about is reliability.  The ACL-600 is mechanically
>>simpler, but depends on gravity for some things - it could end up being
>>less reliable.  If anyone has real-world experience using either one
> 
>Personally, I have never experienced unreliable gravity. ;-)

Sure ! Where *you* are, it works backwards anyway ! :-)

-- Stephen

	"Some people live their dreams, some people close their eyes.
	 Some people's destiny... passes by"

					"I'll Be Over You"   -- Toto
From: hcbarth@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Bart Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs
Subject: Re: Bad salespersons (Was: USA Flex)
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:51:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond


	Man, I bet this thread gets wild.  However, to
add a story to the list -
	I have bought a lot of stuff from JDR MicroDevices.
Their Tech Support people try, sometimes succeed, sometimes
fail.  I originally bought an RLL controller and a Seagate
(ST277-r) from them.  When I bought an ST4144-r *from another
company* and had problems, JDR shipped me an updated controller
*at no cost*.  They weren't much help with the actual problem,
but they sure tried, and they certainly stand behind their 
products.  You want to talk lousy Tech support - try calling
Seagate on their *non-800 number* sometime.   Does anyone out
there actually Know what the jumbers on the ST4144R do and
how to set them?  Seagate apparently does not.  Mylex (made
the motherboard) shipped me an updated ROMBIOS for free, but
that didn't do it either.  Adaptec made the controller, and they
didn't help either, except to tell me to change the jumpers to
slow down the drive.  I wish I had recorded the original settings,
but I got so excited by someone who seemed to know what the problem
was I changed them on the fly as the lady on the other end told me
to.  BTW, the actual fix (took me six months of grief to find) is
to load the 'optional' adaptec.dvr TSR in config.sys....
	Also, Mylex has an 800 number but not to the tech support
people.  Sometimes if you are real nice to the switchboard operator
at the 800 number she will connect you....:)
	Bart

-- 
 If there's one thing I just can't stand, it's intolerance.
*No One* is responsible for my views, I'm a committee. Please do not
infer that which I do not imply.  hcbarth@afterlife.ncsc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: SCSI devices work on SCSI-2 port?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:19:00 GMT

Rich Chong <U41602@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Quick question... If I purchase a system with a SCSI-2 controller
>and harddisk (fujitsu M2624FA), will I have any problems using
>older SCSI devices chained onto the same controller? Like a
>Bernoulli Transportable or any old SCSI DAT tapedrive? Thanks
*----
There's no inherent reason you can't have SCSI and SCSI-2 devices
co-existing on the same bus.  Of course, some primitive "SCSI"
devices may not work with your setup in any case (like the
Adaptec ACB-4000 or Xebec SA1410 SCSI-ST506 adapters).

--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: btptan%Solomon.Technet.sg (ger)
Subject: LLF of Maxtor w/Future Domain SCSI
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:49:16 GMT


I have a Maxtor XT-8760S HDD using a Future Domain TMC-885 SCSI
controller. This drive was originally used for MS-DOS. Recently, it was
decided to convert it to a Netware Volume. However, the surface scan of
the HDD using Novell's INSTALL.NLM resulted in a failure. It was
suggested in the manual that a low level format of the HDD be executed.

The question now is How does one LLF a SCSI drive? Are there any utilities
around that I can get via FTP to do this? 

Any help much appreciated. Thanks.

Benjamin
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Two computers on a SCSI chain
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:57:04 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA


I would like to hook up two computers to a single SCSI chain. By my
reasonning, this is theoretically possible. But I've been told I can't do
it. Can I? Here's my reasonning.

- The SCSI chain supports 8 devices, one of which is the computer, leaving
  7 devices for "other than computer". This is why SCSI is popularily said
  to have a maximum of 7 devices.
- If there are two computers + a maximum of six other devices, there
  should be no problem if the IDs do not conflict. Given the right cables,
  I see no reason why this would not work.
Thanks in advance. Please reply directly to me as I don't monitor this
conference.

phil
vandry@champlain.cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.intel
From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ISA - which is better?
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:04:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.135900.11901@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>  EISA is a reasonable thing to use on servers, either file or compute,
>including any multiuser system. After looking at the performance gains I
>decided that it didn't make sense for me to put money into that, vs
>other features like a tape drive to back up large disks, better video,
>etc.
>
>  For a single user system the gain from EISA is "measureable but not
>perceptable." An EISA system will not *feel* faster than ISA under
>single user loads, and that's the major reason I don't feel they're cost
>effective.

>bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
>    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.

Bill,

there is another point that may be an advantage of EISA over ISA. If you
have an EISA system board and a true EISA SCSI controller which is
busmastering (with DMA, of course) and is run with proper drivers, that
controller can do 32-bit DMA transfers, not only 24-bit DMA transfers
like you are limited to on ISA systems. This allows such a controller to
directly DMA from/to more than 16MB of RAM.

Having an ISA system and a 1542B I am currently limited to 16MB because
the DMA between the 1542B and the RAM is limited to 24-bit addressing.
Having the system copying the memory aroung to overcome this limit does
not help too much.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: sja@world.std.com (Stuart J Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Are the Corel SCSI Drivers any good ????
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:11:42 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Adaptec has recently started bundling the Corel SCSI driver/software
package with their 1522+/1542b+. etc. SCSI adaptors. Corel also sells
their driver/software package seperately for $99.

Has anyone used their drives, backup software, CD ROM driver software
etc. How does it shape up ????


Thanks,
Stuart Adams
sja@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi
From: Q10106@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Kent Norman)
Subject: suggestion
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Sep 1992 12:17:25 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------