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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A journalist speaks on media bias
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:37:55 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Sep11.150043.472@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
->Getting back to the point, you'll note I never denied there's bias in the
->media.  So what?  You'll never get rid of it, no matter what.  What I seem
->to hear from "conservatives" is that they want it replaced with their own
->bias.  Fine, go DO IT.  Quit whining.  Let the market work (hint: it 
->already is).

 Thank you for explaining your position. I apologize for indirectly label-
ing you. However you are guilty of it to. Quote from above.

   What I seem to hear from "conservatives"

 Just ask us and we will tell you exactly what our positions are. Dont
expect the press or anyone else to explain conservative views to you.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:13:32 GMT

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.120715.16501@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>In a startling change of events this morning, my newspaper actually
>>had a (short) paragraph on a recent Clinton faux pas.  
>>
>>Seems at a campaign stop he railed on the big spending we were doing
>>on military weapons systems and brought up the Patriot which "can fly
>>through doors and down chimineys."  Hmmmm.  Probably just an honest
>>mistake from somebody who doesn't know a good offense from a bad
>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>defense...
> ^^^^^^^

>Wow.  Sounds like a Quayle Quote.


>Bushism from '88 (did TNR coin that term by then?):
>"September 7: A Day That Will Live in Infamy."

>			-- _Bob Roberts_

What?

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire
From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:17:05 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

Clinton has been preparing for and running for president since he was 18.

It shows......

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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: TV show commercials
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:07:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:

>In article 5151@news.duke.edu, eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>>Just wondering if everyone out there has seen any of the commercials for
>>his TV show yet. I recently saw his commercial with him supposedly
>>kept in some parcel service storage facility where everything was labeled
>>"Rush." At the end of the commercial this very oddly shaped package
>>is rolled to a place in the room where there is a microphone with muffled
>>sounds of Rush emanating from the package. Pretty funny commercial. Any
>>other spots out there?
>>
>===============================================================================

This is the same commercial running on WWOR-TV Channel 9, the cable
station based here in New Jersey.  But here the voice over says,

"Starting September 14, Rush Limbaugh comes to television", followed by
Rush's muffled voice yelling "another week" and continues to wiggle and
talk in the seat.

BTW, the station in its lack of brilliant wisdom scheduled the show for
12:30 AM, after that less than rocket scientist Arsenio Hall.  They have
scheduled some stupid game show for the 11:00 PM time period this show
would be better suited for.

Dittos,


-- 
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_________________________________________________

"We're sailing on the wind of better days"
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.news-media
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:07:45 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.153704.19033@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Sep9.120715.16501@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>>>In a startling change of events this morning, my newspaper actually
>>>>had a (short) paragraph on a recent Clinton faux pas.  
>>>>
>>>>Seems at a campaign stop he railed on the big spending we were doing
>>>>on military weapons systems and brought up the Patriot which "can fly
>>>>through doors and down chimineys."  Hmmmm.  Probably just an honest
>>>>mistake from somebody who doesn't know a good offense from a bad
>>>>defense...
>>>>
>>
>>>And then Quayle screwed up in criticizing Clinton...saying that
>>>it was "cruise" missiles that could perform these feats...
>>
>>>Gerald
>>
>>The sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missile *can* do these things.  It
>>was one of our foremost "smart" weapons.  Do you remember the reporters
>>in Baghdad commenting on the Tomahawk coming down the street and 
>>"making a right at the intersection."?  These missiles can be accurate
>>to within a few feet.
>>

>There is a difference between making a right at the intersection 
>and going down a chimney...do you have the video of a cruise missile
>dropping down a chimney shute...I think not.

>>Does an anti-Quayle bias come through loud and clear on this one?  If
>>they had given him the benefit of the doubt, they could have researched
>>it a little more.  But since they are so quick to criticize him, they
>>look a little foolish themselves.
>>

>If were talking about accuracy here...it involves much more 
>sophisticated guidance to be able for a Patriot to intercept a
>ballistic missile than for a cruise missile to follow a mapped
>out course.  If anyone was closer to the truth, Clinton was 
>rather than Quayle.

This is so typical of the types of debates in this forum.  Quayle did
not say anything incorrect in his statement, the media says he did, and
people are actually arguing that Clinton (the one who made the original
bald-faced error) is really correct and Quayle is wrong.  It is almost
funny to read this.  The fact that real people are really believing it,
though, makes me wonder.

I'm not going to argue with anyone about the role of the Tomahawk
cruise missile.  All you have to do is look it up in Janes.  And the
Patriots too, if your inclined.  Let's just stop arguing about what
color the sky really is...

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up!  Press Reports It!
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:51:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.120715.16501@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>In a startling change of events this morning, my newspaper actually
>had a (short) paragraph on a recent Clinton faux pas.  
>
>Seems at a campaign stop he railed on the big spending we were doing
>on military weapons systems and brought up the Patriot which "can fly
>through doors and down chimineys."  Hmmmm.  Probably just an honest
>mistake from somebody who doesn't know a good offense from a bad
>defense...
>

And then Quayle screwed up in criticizing Clinton...saying that
it was "cruise" missiles that could perform these feats...

Gerald
From: shack@cs.arizona.edu (David Shackelford)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Washington Window
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:57:23 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep13.200549.349@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.172058.3456@newsgate.sps.mot.com> titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Eric Titmas) writes:
>
>>Income taxes under Reagan went down for ALL Americans.
>
>	If you say so. *My* taxes when up under Reagan, I needed more income
>to get a tax cut.
>

OK, income taxes under Reagan went down for MOST Americans.  There are
a few degenerate (in the statistical sense, no offense intended) cases in
which lower marginal rates didn't result in lower taxes.  This happens
under all systems in which differences exist between individual rates.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge)
Subject: Re: Why Can't Republicans or Programmers Spell?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.192703.11700@afit.af.mil>, jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
|> jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
|> 
|> >Computer programmers built the USENET and at the same time initiated this
|> >completely bogus and self-serving idea that the illiterate use of the
|> >language was okay, and even irrelevant. Of course, if they wrote their
|> >programs with the same attitude, the programs would not work. These
|> >same people belch at the dinner table, wear their jeans with the top half
|> >of their butt cracks showing, and bath infrequently. And then they complain
|> >they can't get dates. Sadly, they usually end up marrying insane women who
|> >are looking for a way out of the half-way house.
|> 
|> >What does this have to do with Republicans? Simple: Republicans make lousy
|> >programmers. How do you like them apples?
|> 
|> Actually, I've noted a certain lack of logic coming from the Democrats
|> lately.  The above post is exhibit "A".  Logic... programming... hmmmmm.
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
|> jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 

Sir, you cut me to the quick! Logic, indeed! Why, we Democrats are able
to believe much more than six impossible things before breakfast - and
none of them has anything to do with breathing on Mars. Most of them
have to do with a just and fair society...:^)

Get thee to a halfway house for the humor impaired!

(On the other hand, if you really meant what you said, perhaps you
could toss one of those illogical Democratic offerings into the ring
and we can all have a look at it...)

- Don Coolidge
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:00:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Sep9.114544.16234@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:

	[About some of my posting on this subject...]

@ Every once in a while, a post like this comes along and I don't know
@ what to do with it.  Maybe some veteran net posters can email or post
@ advice.  It doesn't really seam to be worth my time to try and argue
@ with somebody who is so far afield.  Yet, should obviously flawed and
@ self-righteous drivel like this go unchallenged?  Most of the time I
@ leave them alone, expecting most others on the net to see them as they 
@ are--without any comment from me.

	That doesn't sound like much of an answer...
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush Announces Sale of F-15E's to Iraq
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:51:40 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep7.163421.7789@Princeton.EDU>, pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.132158.3915@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>
>>	Yeah, he's mad that we sold F-16s to Taiwan--"the butchers of
>>Tianamen".  One wonders how long it will be until he looks at a map and says
>>"oops".
>>
> One wonders if this Brett character can read.  The original quote was
> that Bush sold F-16's to Taiwan --"the ENEMIES of ... the butchers of

	One wonders if that was the original intention of the post.  As it was
anti-Bush rantings.  Selling weapons to Taiwan can hardly be considered "bad" to
someone who decries the butchering of Tianamen.

> Tianamen".  Now thats a real "oops".
Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.clinton,talk.environment
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Colorless Green Ideas
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 08:38:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bu4p8B.D1K@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>Far from ignoring environmentalist doomsaying, Bush has been paying the
>chicken-littles far too much heed (eg. the "Clean Air Bill" and blessing
>the "Earth Summit").

Speaking of Rio...

I just heard someone say that the classic old "grammatically correct
but utterly nonsensical" sentence turns out to be strangely prophetic
of the Earth Summit in Rio.

"The colorless green ideas slept furiously."
-- 
Mike Van Pelt                     Windows + Icons + Mouse
mvp@netcom.com                    + Pointer == WIMP.
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com
From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Right-wingers attack immigrant backers
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:41:49 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <1992Sep15.184555.7814@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
 (I notice that David Duke wasn't a democrat).

Not recently.  Southern democrats supported racial policies not much different
than his for many years, though.  Part of the southern democrat psyche is 
holding the civil war and reconstruction against the republicans.....

Xenophobia knows no party limits.  The left talks a good game on immigration,
but a poor one on free trade.  In one they accuse the right of being
xenophobic, in the other they are.  Go figure.

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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge)
Subject: Re: Why Can't Republicans or Programmers Spell?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:58:03 GMT

In article <r1znz1q.jrs@netcom.com>, jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
|> >
|> >What does this have to do with Republicans? Simple: Republicans make lousy
|> >programmers. How do you like them apples?
|> 
|> Apples? I KNEW there was a reason that I hated Apple and the Macintosh - 
|> their programs are all written by liberals. Aha, it becomes so clear to me 
|> now! 

But, but...but that's the whole idea behind Apples! It's *supposed* to 
become clear to you! None of this dogbreath rightwing DOS play-by-our-rules
stuff, or Perotvian "I'm an outsider, do it *my* way instead" oblique 
Microsoft cruft, or even my beloved Unix obscurity...no, liberals are
*user-friendly*!

I think you've just hit on the crux of this campaign, albeit unwittingly.
(clever pun, that :^)

|> -- 
|> John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
|>                            | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
|> 74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
|> jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.
                                                ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^

Gaaaahh! *President* Quayle?? I have to be careful what I read
right after lunch, especially if it was a *good* lunch - and
this one was. Close call, that.

Of course, you've left unsaid just what it will be that ythe
kids are taught about President Qu...Presid...ugh! I can't
say it! About That Man! Will it be the attempted coup, or the
burnt books, or perhaps just the highlights of the impeachment
hearings...? :^)

I'd rather see President Arsenio. Then he could play sax on
The Slick Willy Show...:^)

Don Coolidge
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Real estate decline
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:13:39 EST
 <1992Sep10.150150.4035@desire.wright.edu> <1992Sep11.155235.12359@anasazi.com>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.155235.12359@anasazi.com>, best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.150150.4035@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>In article <BuCHED.En6@eis.calstate.edu>, kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell) writes:
>>> 
>>> Both wrong, gentlemen; the S&L crisis was caused by changes in the tax
>>> lasw relating to real estate development. Congress did it. Fraud accounted
>>> for less than 1 percent, even by the MAXIMUM estimates. 
>>
>>	Yeah, but what did those tax changes result in?  Real estate
>>speculation was no longer economically viable.  All those empty buildings could
>>no longer be used as "junk equity".
>>
> You've missed the point.  As an example for you, try this during the 
> winter months:
> 
> a.  Buy bird seed and begin feeding birds when the snow has covered 
>     the ground and is likely to for the next several months (if you
>     get any snow there).
> 
> b.  Continue to feed them for at least 2 months.
> 
> c.  Suddenly, and without warning, stop putting bird seed out for
>     the birds to eat.
> 
> Obviously this is going to cause havoc in the bird world and you may
> see some savage behavior on their behalf.  This is exactly what we
> are talking about in the S&L crisis.  In this case the bird seed is
> the tax deduction and the birds and the citizens of this country who
> invested.  Congress, in a fit of Wealth-Envy, cut off the bird seed
> and starved the S&Ls.
> 
> So now those buildings are no longer junk equity, they are merely junk.
> Are you happy?

	Nice allegory, *but* what you're not taking into account are other
feeders.
	Speculation drove out most of the demand for real estate, except for
the speculators.  When the props fell out, even the speculators could no longer
count on tax breaks to offset operating losses.

	Now if this had been done (removal of tax breaks) in an economy where
demand was not being driven by speculation, but by real, actual demand, then
the prop removal would only have had a slight negative effect.  As it was, a
subsidized feeder outstripped all other suppliers of feed, and then there was
only one feeder left.

	Just another reason for variable interest rates, based on the type of
equity being used for collateral.

Brett                                                      
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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 16:49:04 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

> Keywords:
>
> In article <PLuyqB4w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans
> ]Here in New Orleans, on WWL radio, Limbaugh runs from 1-4.  I had WWL on at
> ]about 3:55 to catch the WSJ report, and heard Uncle Rush close the show.  He
> ]was telling his audience of highly literate and intelligent listeners not to
> ]worry about anything important over the weekend because he was going to tell
> ]them how to think on Monday.  Yup, we're dealing with a serious education
> ]problem in the US if Limbaugh is telling 13 million folks how to think.
>
> Of course, anyone with half a brain knows that Limbaugh is kidding
> when he says that. Listen to him for a bit and you'll realize that he
> is very much an entertainer. By the way, I was also listening to that
> show, and I heard it too, but I recognize humour.
>

Problem is, most of his callers, at least the ones that get through *don't* use
their brains.  They take the guy literally.  I'm glad you recognize humor.
You'll get more of it if the Bush campaign turns Our Boy loose over the next
few weeks.



>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: hooker@aristotle.ils.mwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER)
Subject: Re: Wage decline hits white-collar work force
Organization: ILS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:52:52 GMT

In article <whitecollarU2S712me@clarinet.com>, clarinews@clarinet.com (JEFF
BATER, UPI Business Writer) writes:
> 
> 	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The decline in wages of America's labor force
> spread to white-collar and college-educated workers in the late 1980s,
> while the pay of top executives soared during the decade, a Labor Day
> weekend report by a think tank said.
> 	In ``The State of Working America, 1992-93,'' the Economic Policy
> Institute said Sunday wages were falling for most American workers even
> before the recession.
> 	The EPI report, published every two years, said white-collar wages
> fell 3.5 percent between 1987 and 1991, while wages of blue-collar
> workers tumbled 7.6 percent. Wages of college-educated workers fell 3.1
> percent.
> 	``From 1979 to 1991, the real hourly wage of most workers severely
> eroded,'' the report said.
> 	``The recent fall-off in the wages of white-collar and college-
> educated workers occurred prior to the early 1990s recession and can be
> expected to continue even after the economy recovers, especially given
> the expected slow rate of future growth,'' the EPI report said.
> 	``The wage decline among college-educated workers is due to a slower
> growth in employer demand,'' it said.
> 	It said other reasons why the wages of most American workers are
> falling are a lower minimum wage, increased import competition, fewer
> and weaker unions, and an employment shift to low-wage industries.
> 	In a separate study released last week, the Commerce Department said
> that because of the recession, median household income fell 3.5 percent
> between 1990 and 1991.
> 	The department, in a survey of 60,000 households, said median
> household income dropped to $30,126 and, altogether, has fallen 5.1
> percent since 1989.
> 	While the common worker may be having a more difficult time making
> ends meet, the elite of the nation's business world -- company executives
> -- fared better in their pay envelopes during the last decade.
> 	``The 1980s was a very prosperous decade for top U.S. executives,''
> the EPI said in its report. ``In stark contrast to the declining real
> wages of average workers, the pay of chief executive officers of major
> U.S. companies grew by 19 percent from 1979 to 1989.''
> 	The authors of the report found that during the recession, white-
> collar unemployment rose more than blue-collar unemployment.
> 
> 
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