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From: mcwg9235@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marsha Cook Woodbury)
Subject: America's Cup??
Summary: what's happening?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:50:04 GMT

We live in the Midwest, and I haven't heard a thing about it.
Is New Zealand really in the final? Was that ajoke?
Please post more info...you have to remember it's baseball
season here, and the national basketball final just occurred,
and the ice hockey players just ended their strike.  Sailing
doesn't grab the headlines.     
-- 
Marsha Woodbury   marsha-w@uiuc.edu
"A metaphor is like a simile."
writing from Urbana, IL, courtesy of the University of Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:16:21 GMT


Anyone drink anything from the Strongcroft micro-brewery in Petone?
Care to comment on it?

RNA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: News late this week
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:34:42 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Sorry folks, news will be late this week. I'll try to have it done by tomorrow
but it may be Thursday before I can post.

Alan
From: fielding@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:33:58 GMT
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS

imf@datamark.co.nz (Ian Franklin) writes:

>turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson) writes:
>>amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>>
>>*REAL* drinkers drink a DRAUGHT, lagers are *DISGUSTING*... Why is it
>>only our lagers are exported? Why not export Waikato? (The best beer
>>under the sun)
>>
>>Cheers, Paul.
>>             ... Now, where did I put that bottle of Waikato?
>>

>Well said. Waikato is truly a great beer along with Tuis East India
>Pale Ale. Also this new DB Bitter seems to be quite acceptable.

>These would be much better to export than the lagers.

Great idea!!!  Just send a case or two to the address below.
I'll be sure to summarize the results of my taste test to this newsgroup.

........Roy Fielding
o.o     Department of Information & Computer Science
\_/     University of California
        Irvine, CA  92717
        U.S.A.

p.s. Be sure to send it Airmail -- I'm already thirsty.
From: masljg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (L J Groves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:16:24 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Apr6.225113.663@gacvx2.gac.edu> mchinander@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?


Sure -- I think EVERY bottle store and wholesaler in New Zealand sells 
N.Z. beer other than Steinlager!

If that wasn't the answer you wanted, may I politely suggest that you rephrase
your question to make it somewhat more specific.   (-:


Cheers
	Lindsay


--------------
Lindsay Groves                     On leave from:	
School of Mathematical Sciences    Department of Computer Science
University of Bath                 Victoria University of Wellington
Bath, England                      Wellington, New Zealand
ljg@maths.bath.ac.uk               lindsay@comp.vuw.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: kldawkin@descartes.waterloo.edu (Kiwi)
Subject: Canadian Beer Commercials featuring NZ
Summary: Molson Canadian ads
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:48:51 GMT

Hey there...
	There aren't too many Kiwis in Canada, and even fewer from
Wellington, so nobody here has probably noticed that two Molson Canadian
Beer ads on TV were filmed in Wellington... one of them is set at a wedding
and was filmed in the Ngaio Town Hall of all places, and another,
IMHO one of the best ads ever, is filmed in The State Opera House,
or so it seems to me... Just for your information.
	They're receiving quite a bit of airplay and are very popular!

Cheers
	Kyle.
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`------------------------------'`---------------------------------'    //  NZ!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: joergs@alf.pec.co.nz (Joerg Steinke)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:18:12 GMT
Organization: Production Engineering (NZ) Ltd.
Keywords: a man's thirst ..

In article <1992Apr6.225113.663@gacvx2.gac.edu> mchinander@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?

Unfortunately beer in NZ is brewed the unpatient way :
stir all ingredients up, boil a bit, ferment a bit, chill a bit, pipe this
lemonade into cans and bottles and inject carbon dioxide before the lid
goes on.
Low alcohol, high headache.

While you are over there, in Juneau, Alaska there is a small brewery
called CHINOOK ... and they  b r e w  real beer !!
"Chinook Amber" is my favourite.

With compliments, Joerg

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joergs@pec.co.nz       |    Ein Muenchner im "Himmel"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:38:02 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <17QHJGj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> thats the price you pay. Mind you the government hasn't always been here. I
> beleive it was orignally sited down south Chrsitchurch or Dundedin at a
> guess and was then moved up north to Auckland for a brief term. Finally it

Wrong.  It was originally at the place now called Russel, in the Bay
of Islands.  At that time it was called Kor ... (someone help me out
with the spelling here ...)

Moves to Auckland, and then to Wellington were later.

Phillip - I hate to sound personal, but given your propensity to
expose your views on the Treaty of Waitangi, race relations etc I
really think that you should get to grips with a bit of NZ history.
Maybe if you understood a little about what happened when the country
was settled, you'd change your mind about some things.


>    The only reason I mention it is because I saw a while back that Auckland
> was wanting to site the parliment up there again. Something about being the
> largest city in NZ or some other irrelevant reason. :-) And I was wondering
> if anyone else knew what became of that suggestion? It would be about 4
> months ago I saw this - Evening Post I think.... (But I am not sure).

IHMO, the capital will move sooner or later.  There will be a BIG
earthquake in Wellington, the plans for emergency relocation of
government in Auckland will be put into effect, and lo and behold ...

It might not stay there - as a sop to the South Islanders, it might
wriggle its way back down to, say, Hamilton.  I doubt it would come
much further down though given current population patterns.


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: bridge
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:44:08 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Has there ever been any political discussion about building a bridge
between the North and the South islands?  If so what were the main
arguments against the project?

-- 
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Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:57:26 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
 <18VQSJj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> <1992Apr8.113018.12416@actrix.gen.nz>
Organization: My Arc.

Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

> In article <18VQSJj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> 
> >    Well excuse me for feeling slightly lazy and not wanting to dig out the
> > 'The Encylopedia of New Zealand' to verify my facts. Given that the question
> > being framed wasn't even really relevant to the history I didn't feel I had
> > to go to 10 decimal places preciseness. Sheesh, lighten up will ya? I can't
> 
> Getting the island right to start with isn't exactly going to 10
> decimal places!

  Certainly. But qualifying it with statements about how I was *unsure* of
these assertions should have covered that. I have corrected my error with a,
in another post, listing the correct dates and movements of Government,
mostly for the overseas readers to prevent any confusion.

  If you have anything further to comment on about it I suggest you confine
it to email as it is becoming highly unsuitable IMHO for the net.

    Philip

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3488 soc.culture.usa:3002
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:02:30 GMT
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

In article <167CAF660.M19249@mwvm.mitre.org> M19249@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Pardon my ignorance in this area and the somewhat nontopical (NOT MUSIC) aspect
>But, didn't content regulation give us "The Great White North" sketches on the
>old SCTV.  I am not arguing for or against the regs here.
>If my facts are out of line feel free to flame.

CanCon inspired the SCTV folks to come up with this inspired silliness, but 
there are no regulations about thematic content.  CanCon has to do with who 
wrote, directed, starred in etc the shows.  

-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
From: pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Canadian Supreme Court's Pornography Ruling
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:47:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sjuphil.1992Apr7.154710.10051
Distribution: soc.culture.canada
Organization: Saint Joseph's University


In our Canadian Politics class at SJU we've had some discussion on the pornography ruling there. Does anyone want to venture any opinions? We've also had some
fun poking a few jokes at the Canadian Senate. For example: The Canadian Senate:
The Place Where Old Politicians Go To Die. Does anyone have any opinions on this?

                                        Thanks in Advance, Sal Pastino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (evan pritchaRD)
Subject: Re: Get Ready Canada For The Next Boom
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:16:38 GMT

rbutterw@watmath.waterloo.edu (Ray Butterworth [MFCF]) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.235034.16943@descartes.waterloo.edu> sitomlin@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen I. Tomlinson) writes:
>>A rare event has occurred.  An article which accurately puts the
>>Canadian economy in perspective has appeared in Canada's largest 
>>newspaper, The Toronto Star.

>Note though, that all the figures are for 1988 and 1989.
>GST, FTA, research cutbacks, factory shutdowns, etc. have all happened
>since then, and a lot more are planned for the near future.
>What will the 1992 and 1993 figures be like?

I thought taht the point of the article was that the numbers would be
better in the upcoming years, not worse, which is the general belief
(I think).  

=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- Number 1, 3 or 3, depending on the hockey pool  

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]
From: coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Postal Codes (was Re: QC)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:06:29 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Do Canadian provinces have two-letter codes these days?  Pardon me, but
I was out of the country for 6 years and only came back a couple of years
ago.  Prior to that, we were taught contractions that were longer than
two letters, in most cases.  Granted, N.S. = Nova Scotia, but Nfld. =
Newfoundland and Labrador, Ont. = Ontario.  To the best of my limited
knowledge, there is no stricture in Canada against the use of abbreviations
longer than two letters, unlike custom in the United States.

Mike Coady
COADY@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3407 soc.culture.british:6423
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Queen of Canada
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:35:16 GMT
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: albion@bcrks63


In article <1992Apr13.162151.7504@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>, cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar) writes:


> 
> I feel that the UK monarchy is fine, but there is a slight flaw in the
> Canadian one.  The UK has a tradition of replacing monarchs they don't
> like (eg. Edward VIII).  There is a sort-of mechanism for doing this.
> 
> Canada has, at least traditionally, been stuck with the problem of taking
> the British monarch, or having none.  We can't really afford the expense
> of having one of our own, but as long as the Brits are willing to pay for
> one, we're happy to use that one at minimal cost to ourselves.


Given that the last succession happened before the current Constitution,
you have described up until then. Today, the Constitution names 
Elizabeth II as the Queen of Canada by declaration, but the succession
is different. It is not yet known who the next monarch will be. The
Constitution requires that there is a monarch, and that succession must
be declared by the Government.

Although perhaps unlikely, I have seen an argument that it could be declared
in favour of a position rather than a person.

Guess the argument when I tell you that the position could be that of 
Governor General.


                                  Alan


--
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Silicon Design      P.O. Box 3511, Station C          Fax: (613) 763-3970
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        Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.
                         - William Butler Yeats
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3367 soc.culture.usa:2925
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:34:02 GMT
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

In article <1992Apr13.085607.10836@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>The US is the richest, oldest, most militarily powerful
>democracy on the planet.  

I believe that Iceland has a few hundred years on the US, in terms of 
persistent democracies.

(Greece has a few thousand years, but they haven't always been democratic.)

-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
From: henning@crunch.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Dr. Peter A. Henning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: RE: RE: Is Canadian Culture European or American
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:49:49 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.canada
Organization: TH-Darmstadt

Hi Canadians !
 
Well, well, if this was not a success ! In my posting I made some complaints
about life in New York City, especially with small children - and then asked,
how it will be in Edmonton, Alberta. 

I got lots of replies (which will
be answered separately, of course, but this might take some days), ranging
from the friendly advice to "stay home, since I am obviously not capable 
of adapting to a different environment" (a guy named Bob Johnson, at 
Pennsylvania State University - we all know, that US citizens are best 
in adapting to foreign cultures, sic) -- to really nice letters and
useful informations. 
 
Let me first apologize to every CANADIAN who might have been offended by
my provocative question: I am not really THIS concerned, instead I am very
much looking forward to work and live in Canada. Clearly, I am not taking
New York City as a measure (not even for the US: I have been working
in Ohio and New Mexico as well, hence know the differences. As we have
found, NY is a place to miss only when you're back home).
 
Let me add, that I am studying this newsgroup now for several weeks:
To see, what are the current discussions going on in the Canadian scene.
My little sting was meant to get into touch with people -- obviously
a success. You will read more from me !
 
--
pah 

______________________________________________________________________________
  Dr. Peter A. Henning                    

  Institut f. Kernphysik der TH Darmstadt, W-6100 Darmstadt, Germany 
  ++49-6151-16-2579
  henning@crunch.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de 

  Gesellschaft fuer Schwerionenforschung GSI, W-6100 Darmstadt, Germany
  ++49-6151-359-755/746
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  TP47@ddagsi3.bitnet
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3327 talk.politics.misc:17863
From: lenny@bmerh174.BNR.CA (Len DePalma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Get Ready Canada For The Next Boom
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:16:20 GMT
Reply-To: lenny@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fiber Systems Development


In article <9204102005.AA05642@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
aiesecrs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (AIESEC - Ohio State) writes:
|> Excuse me for interupting but I'd like to comment if I could.  The
problem with
|> Government spending is that it is often inefficiant.  You don't get as much 
|> "bang for the buck" as private businesses and spenders who actually
have their 
|> own welfare on the line.

This is not always true... witness the problems with healthcare in
the US - it is argueably *less* efficient, and certainly benefits
a smaller percentage of your citizens than does its (socialized)
counterpart here in Canada.  A similar argument can be made for
telephone service... how is it more efficient to have redundant
sets of networks in place when one (government regulated) network
would suffice.  Unless of course, the people have an inherant mis-
trust of their government... which, to me, seems counter-productive
to some degree.

Events all around the world are proving that total government control
will not work... when are we going to wake up and realize that the
opposite (free market control) is not an ideal either.  That, as 
usual, the best is always somewhere in between any two extremes.
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INTERNET: lenny@bnr.ca       Any opinions expressed above are mine.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3340 soc.culture.british:6181
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Queen of Canada
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:16:57 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <skenny.703043394@femto.engr.mun.ca>, skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:
> neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) writes:
> 
> [some stuff deleted]
> 
>>Sadly, many English-speaking 
>>Canadians have a strange sentimental fondness for the English monarchy,
>>and it's thus unlikely that Canada will abandon this embarrassing
>>colonial remnant in the near future.
> 
[ some stuff deleted]
> 
> In terms of symbols I don't see what is wrong with placing the Queen on
> Canadian coins or bills it is part of the history. On the same note,
> 8-), I suppose the 20 dollar bill could be revised with another face
> leaving Elizabeth on the coins and $2 bill (any others??). 
>  
> --
> =================================
> skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca
> St. John's, NF, CANADA
> "Have a touton or do without'n !"

New Zealand is shortly to issue a new set of banknotes and the Queen will
then only feature on one of them, I believe the $20. Australia does not
have the Queen on any of its banknotes.
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen                       internet: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     phone: +64-7 856 2889
University of Waikato                          fax: +64-7 838 4155
Hamilton, New Zealand      [Venue for IBC 92, 7-11 December, 1992]
______________________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
From: warkent@ltisun11.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:21:37 GMT
	<SMITH.92Apr8092049@gramian.harvard.edu>
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: smith@gramian.harvard.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 14:20:48 GMT

[Cross posted newsgroups deleted]
In article <SMITH.92Apr8092049@gramian.harvard.edu> smith@gramian.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) wrote:
> Okay.  WAKE UP CALL TO BURNABY MOUNTAIN: Swedish style social
> engineering and Soviet style state interventionism is, like the wicked
> witch of the east, completely, absolutely, irrevocably, utterly, and
> indubitably DEAD.

Soviet style state interventionism is indeed dead but no case has been
made that all forms of state intervention are or should be dead.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't; the Soviet mistake was
to take things too far.  As for "Swedish style social engineering",
don't be so hasty in proclaiming its demise, since they seem to be
still in the process of applying it.

Although I am generally an opponent of government intervention in
the economy, I do support CanCon regulations.  In fact, these
regulations seem to have had a positive effect, and I see no
reason why not to apply them to comic strips.

> I think the principal failing of the print media in Canada is its
> universal mediocrity (at best), not its inclusion of banal diversions.

Total agreement.  Compare McCleans with The Economist and weep.
By the way, even as liberal a news magazine as The Economist recognizes
that "state intervention" is not necessarily a bad thing.
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada