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From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:31:47 GMT
Reply-To: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 56@odie.ee.wits.ac.za, diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel ) writes:
>I think you could have a point here.  Maybe when you're a kid you see 
>everything the way it is - implying analog.  Once you've grown up your life 
>becomes more conditioned and programmed.  Thus implying our grown up lives 
>are of a digital nature ie we end up being programmed into our jobs etc.  
>This is all just speculation though.

This is about as close as any to the ideas I had about this...
However, I see Signals  VERY LOOSELY as a concept album....

Subdivisions : sets a scene if you like, of a time & place familiar to many and with
its associated impact on those who live there... I can definitely vouch for this :-/

Analog Kid : Yes, this song seems to be trying to capture the unbridled or 'free 
spirit' type of mentality only known as a child, when -anything- is a possibility. 
The Kid seems to be spending a lot of time daydreaming, a luxury that only seems to 
be afforded us as children. The last lines too,could be construed as a desire not to make any decisions that restrict possibility, and so could be described as analogue 
in nature, unique, individual, whatever, compared to digital behaviour.

Chemistry : Not the lyrics per se, but the placing of this song between AK and DM to
me suggest the process of maturing to an adult. Chemistry as being involved with 
change, synthesis, interaction.

Digital Man : Digital signals conform to rules.... they are predictable, not so much
as in behaviour, but the signal has been quantized into one a set of possibilities. So
however much the digital man tries, he is still bounded by his digital nature. The Kid
has been processed. 

The Weapon : doesn't really fit in with the concept, but after all, it -is- a part in
a different story.

New World Man : Not sure about this one :-/

Losing It : Well, this is basically an explicit study of growing old with its associated angst. looking back at chances missed and deeds unaccomplished. This essentially ends the story.

Countdown: Doesn't fit in, but I only said it was a loose concept.

There you go. My idea anyway.

Tim

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From: cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:56:57 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

> Dave writes

	CANADA SHOULD TREAT RUSH AS "NATIONAL TREASURES".

You know I think they do... They won the Juno awards last year
for best Heavy Metal??? album, but earlier around the Moving
Pictures time, they won Junos for best album, best group, and
were named Canada's Musical Envoys to the world, or something
like that... Rush is the only constant Canadian group to kick
ass (sorry all you Bryan ADAMS fans, but ...)..

L8R
Chris
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: 2112 == Twenty-one Twelve or Two One One Two?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:07:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct16.161051.20579@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> chub@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Charles Ray) writes:
>Basically the subject says it all ........

>Is it pronounced Twenty-one Twelve or Two One One Two?


Geddy says it in the former way in all live recordings I've heard.
I'm sure it's ``Twenty-one Twelve'' as in ``Eighteen Twelve'' given
the musical allusion in the overture section...


Gregg




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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: _2112_ Cover
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:58:44 GMT

In article <1687E10C8F.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:
>Like most topics, I assume this has been discussed before, but I just had an
>experience that prompted me to bring it up again.
> 
>I'm trading some tapes with a guy who's really into Yes, Genesis, Peter
>Gabriel, and the Police, other groups I associate with Rush fans. I asked him
>why he didn't like Rush, and he said that ten years ago he saw the cover to
>_2112_ and decided then and there that he didn't want to hear a Rush song. So
>he's never heard one. His reason was that the cover was Satanic (he thought),
>and that some people he didn't like were listening to it. I sad that he was
>missing out on a lot of good music based on the cover of a twenty year-old
>album that isn't even Satanic, but that didn't persuade him.
> 
>So my question is, did the members of Rush intend that red star as Satanic
>imagery? I've followed the recent discussion here, but I didn't see it reach
>any definite conclusion. And have any of you had similar experiences with
>people turned off to Rush because of perceived Satanism (or maybe drug
>use--Passage to Bangkok)?
> 
>I appreciate your comments.
> 
>--Ethan
> 
>    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."

The RED STAR on the _2112_ cover is NOT a Pentagram, which is the satanic 
symbol your friend is referring to.  The Pentagram has lines inside of it,
and is upside down (meaning that the middle point is pointed down, with
two points pointed upwards) if you look at the cover of _2112_, you will
not notice any of theses characteristics, unless you hold it upside down.
The star is the symbol of the Solar Federation.
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From: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth)
Subject: Re: new to RUSH and still li
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Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:42:42 GMT


In article <1bdrppINNjku@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
> Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Hodges) writes:
>
> >   Sorry, you're probably right. I was thinking of the Rush "Compendium,"
> >which was published right after Signals came out. The intro is written
> >by (who else?) Neil. Sheet music like that IS great for keys, and not
> >so great for guitar, but it's still good for us guitar players in a lot
> >of ways.
>
> i quite like the intro....a lot of guitarists i know don't really like
> the book because it doesn't have TAB (kill the heretics, wot can't u sight read
> :-))
>
> anyways gotta go....
>
> Adam

    I bought the Rush "Compendium Vol. II" which has music from Permanent
Waves to Power Windows.  Unfortunately its written for keys and useless for
guitar since its a pain to convert.  The other day I was lucky and found
music/tab for Moving Pictures.  Its published by the same company as the
compendium (I think), and the actual music is published by Core Music.  The
problem I've found is that the music doesn't seem totally correct in some
places especially songs like Limelight and The Camera Eye (it seems to me
there are extra notes in certain places).  Maybe I'm wrong, but has anyone
else noticed this?

Blake
From: Eric.Mathurin@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Sender: UUCP@eebbs.isis.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Joke
Date: 15 Oct 92  21:27:12 EST

Does anyone know what a 'Personal Shreve' does, as in
the liner notes of many albums.

I'm sure it's just a joke, but still, I'm curious.

(also, this is a test message cleverly disguised to look on-topic)

Tbanks,
Eric


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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Marillion boots...
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:13:18 GMT

In <7643@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> smsst8+@pitt.edu (Steven M Scholnick) writes:

>Will the persomn who has the list of Marillion boots online please email it
>to me.  I went through the message to fast and forgot to respond to your
>orginal post.  Thanx in advance...

I tried posting it, but it got rejected.  I'll try again or something...

Anyone who wants it can e-mail me, or they can try asking Jeremy Lawrence
and Terrence Steadman, who typed up the mini-reviews/CD Centrale list,
respectively...if you know/can get their e-mail addresses, of course.

Sorry folks....


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From: wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: rumors
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:25:53 -0500
Summary: spamaholics anonymous
Reply-To: wipperma9340
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'd like to add a few rumors to the list:

Geddy is a child of Satan
Alex is actually a woman
Neil has someone else write the lyrics for the band
Rush is a communist front
Rush would like nothing more than to write Top 40 pop trash, but their record
  companies have refused to allow it
Rush is a love triangle

These should keep people guessing for a while.

Yours etc,

The Analog Kid
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: tracvts
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:56:04 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> I seem to remember at a show in Kansas City some time in the early 80`s
> (perhaps the Signals or P/G tour) that a few `religious' folks were passing out 
> pamphlets asking the reader, "What is your Rush?"
> 

	I've been to several Rush concerts in KC.  At each one, some 
conservative Xian groups have passed out pamphlets or tracts.  I looked
at them, but never found any references to Rush.  I always thought
it a tad sad that they clearly didn't know a thing about the music, which
was obvious and probably hurt their cause.
	A religion debate outside the concert hall would probably be more
appealing to Rush fans.


Thomas Beaudoin
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush,rec.sport.baseball
From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney)
Subject: National Anthems in Toronto
Followup-To: alt.music.rush,rec.sport.baseball
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:51:32 GMT

I was wondering in anyone knew if any celebrities would be singing the
national anthems in the upcoming World Series in Toronto.  Specifically,
will Toronto native and noted baseball fan Geddy Lee of the group Rush
be doing them in any game?

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"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball." -- Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Rush and Marillion
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<Bw2FG0.1r1@acsu.buffalo.edu> <98491@bu.edu>
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:24:57

In article <98491@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

   >No, Marillion only opened for Rush for a handful of shows on the PW tour.

   One of them was Milwaukee -- I enjoyed Marillion but wasn't blown away...

Interestingly enough, now that you mentioned the city, Milwaukee is one
of the few cities in America in which Marillion is "big". Fish reported
that in Milwaukee they were considered equal to Rush, whereas in some
places they were (nearly) booed off the stage. 
--
Tero Valkonen
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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush and Marillion
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:11:44 GMT

In <Oct13.044151.83340@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben) writes:

>In article <1bd73oINNa3g@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mcarey@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Mark A Carey) writes:
>>It seems that a lot of people list Fish/Marillion as some of their other
>>favorite bands.  What a treat it was off the Power Windows tour to have
>>Marillion open up for them.  That had to be the best opening band Rush has
>>ever had.  From my recollection Rush has usually had some lousy (well, not
>>great) band open for them.  
>>
>I saw Rush on that tour in Salt Lake City.  Did I see Marillion and not know
>it???  Oh, the anguish!!!
>A friend of mine turned me on to Marillion just about half a year ago - we
>saw them in a bar in Boulder.  I must confess I think this is THE best rock
>band in existance right now.  I hate to think that somehow I saw them in SLC
>and did not appreciate it at the time, perhaps because I was so anxious for
>the "real" show to start.  Please help, somebody!  Does anyone know if Marillionspent the ENTIRE tour with Rush?

No, they *were* the best band, until Fish left and Hog (oops I mean Steve
Hogarth) came in.   0-}

I don't know if they played the entire tour, but I kinda doubt it....I remember
hearing about how the assholes in the audience at some city booed them until
Fish got pissed and walked off the stage in the middle of a song.....they
just weren't very popular in the US at the time.


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From: faulkner@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shane P. Faulkner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush and Marillion
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:09:36 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Oct13.044151.83340@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hurben@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Hurben) writes:
>In article <1bd73oINNa3g@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mcarey@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Mark A Carey) writes:
>>It seems that a lot of people list Fish/Marillion as some of their other
>>favorite bands.  What a treat it was off the Power Windows tour to have
>>Marillion open up for them.  That had to be the best opening band Rush has
>>ever had.  From my recollection Rush has usually had some lousy (well, not
>>great) band open for them.  
>>
>I saw Rush on that tour in Salt Lake City.  Did I see Marillion and not know
>it???  Oh, the anguish!!!
>A friend of mine turned me on to Marillion just about half a year ago - we
>saw them in a bar in Boulder.  I must confess I think this is THE best rock
>band in existance right now.  I hate to think that somehow I saw them in SLC
>and did not appreciate it at the time, perhaps because I was so anxious for
>the "real" show to start.  Please help, somebody!  Does anyone know if Marillionspent the ENTIRE tour with Rush?
>
>
>   -Mike Hurben         "...zuruck vom Ring!"  -R. Wagner
No, Marillion only opened for Rush for a handful of shows on the PW tour.
Quebec City and Buffalo are the only two locations I can say for sure.  I
think Steve Morse opened for the majority of the PW shows.

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/ Shane P. Faulkner         |  Boys and Girls together                  /
/ University At Buffalo     |  Mistake conceit for pride                /
/ V127L2QZ@UBVMS.BITNET     |  Ambition for illusion                    /
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/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
From: leaver@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Leaver)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:29:55 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: leaver@thom2.comlab

In article <1992Oct12.164138.19669@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin) writes:
>    [... stuff deleted ...] 
>For that matter, I've never really thought about that cover art.
>What's it supposed to signify?  Something to do with the Fountain
>of Lamneth, perhaps?  

Well, the front cover of CoS is quite clearly the Necromancer looking
into his Magic Prism Lens. I'm not sure what the back cover is.

Andrew
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: rush
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:45:26 GMT
Keywords: hello

In article <1b56i1INN48p@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jhughes@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason C. Hughes) writes:
>It seems that line has been popular with more than just Rush and Paul Simon.
>Kansas wrote a song that also contained that lyric.  Also, during a chat sessionwith some other Rush fans, we discussed the line and I found that it was also
>used in another song, which I have presently forgotten, but nonetheless it has.
>
>You see, it may have been any, or none, of the above mentioned songs that had
>its influence upon Rush to add the parodied line into "Spirit of Radio".  I
>would venture to guess that each band found the words someplace more globally
>reaching, some article or book, and were unawares to its use elsewhere.  Just
>a theory.
>
>The Panther!
>-- 
>[)---->  "What proof can they exhibit that may show it's not too late?
>[)---->   It's time to feed the dragon, but our lives' are on the plate."
>jhughes@wpi.WPI.EDU    [-=-]  Not subject to any laws, physical or otherwise.

	Not to be overly picky, or mean or anything like that.  And this is 
certainly no flame, I'm pretty sure that the line in question:
	"The words of the profets are written on the subway walls
	 .......tenement halls,
	 And echoed with the sounds of Silence"

	 Were originally Simon & Garfunkel (which would make sense, since
	 Kansas and Rush are predated by S&G, and the Sounds of Silence)

	"The words of the profets are 
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: carvalh@ecf.toronto.edu (CARVALHO Tony)
Subject: Re: Rush and Marillion
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:32:48 GMT

	Now that you are all on the topic, I figured I would add my two 
cents worth. Being Rush and Marillion my two favourite bands (as is the 
case of many here from the looks of it) I felt compelled to reply: 

	There is a biography of Marillion, which I believe is called "The
Market Square Heroes" (things that make you go hmmmmm?), that has been out 
for quite a long time now (just before Clutching At Straws release) and they
mention opening for Rush in a few Places. Their biggest, perhaps, in a week 
long series of dates that Rush played in New York City but I cannot recall
where. I will assume all other dates mentioned are correct as well.

	And in case there are some of you who have not been totally turned
off by Steve Hogarth, I do believe that they are touring North America again.
Wednesday oct 14 they are here in Toronto (yeaaaa!!!) however please do not ask
for boots because it is not easy to get away with it when you are standing two
feet from the Band.

	For any more info or chat on the subject I would much prefer to discuss
this through mail since this topic is not one pertaining to this board. For this I appologize to the rest.


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From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: new to RUSH and still li
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:53:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Hodges) writes:

>>From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
>>Newsgroups: alt.music.rush      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                              |
>  Firstly, what the heck does THAT mean?!   --|

means i am a superuser on my machine :-)


>>Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges) writes:

>>>>where can i ftp RUSH lyrics...so i can get more into the words..

>>>   Sorry, I'm not familiar with `ftp'.  BUT, you can pick up some sheet
>>>music books, like "The Complete Rush," which is complete up to Signals.
>>>Or, most of the albums/CD's have the lyrics.

>>ahh the complete rush is up to PoW, at least the Warner Bros sheets i
>>have...great for keys players like me, not so good for gtr...

>   Sorry, you're probably right. I was thinking of the Rush "Compendium,"
>which was published right after Signals came out. The intro is written
>by (who else?) Neil. Sheet music like that IS great for keys, and not
>so great for guitar, but it's still good for us guitar players in a lot
>of ways.

>___
> X SLMR 2.1a X Dan Quayle for Starship Yamato Engineer

i quite like the intro....a lot of guitarists i know don't really like
the book because it doesn't have TAB (kill the heretics, wot can't u sight read
:-)) 

i have got to the stage where i can play all of Geddy's keys parts...BTW
the drummer in the band i am in would just like to say that Neil Peart
is a Robot :-)...he's been watching the Chron. vid and said that Neil's
drumming is simply not human :-)

anyways gotta go....

Adam
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: MTV and Rush
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:11:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.172045.15868@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>The funny thing is that when MTV first started out, there wasn't a lot of
>video production yet, so they showed any video that had ever been taped
>(for the most part).  "Limelight" and "Tom Sawyer" were shown a lot.  (But
>then, so was "Video Killed the Radio Star", "Blinded Me With Science",
>"Whip It", etc...)
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

I think that the three non-rush songs mentioned are actually great!  BTW, did
you know, Brian, that Buggles, the band who made Video Killed the Radio Star
are Geoff Downes nad Trevor Horn, former members of Yes?
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From: mcarey@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Mark A Carey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rush and Marillion
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:00:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

It seems that a lot of people list Fish/Marillion as some of their other
favorite bands.  What a treat it was off the Power Windows tour to have
Marillion open up for them.  That had to be the best opening band Rush has
ever had.  From my recollection Rush has usually had some lousy (well, not
great) band open for them.  

So what kind of meeting was it between Neil and Fish?  Have never seen
anything about this and was wondering if anyone knows anything as those are
two excellent writers.
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