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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:24:19 GMT

In article <79202@ut-emx.uucp> pittman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Pittman) writes:
>
>>When:  I have followed previous threads and believe the Doctor either was 
>>Rassilon or was involved with him alot (or possibly Rassilon set it up so one
>>person could do the things that the doctor does). This is where the doctor 
>>obtained his 'time protection'.
>
>Or perhaps all Time Lords are naturally 'time-protected'.

They are.  The proof is in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" when at the end
when the time device is switched on, all the humans are frozen in their
tracks but the Doctor struggles and manages to shut the thing off.
They are also time-sensitive or time-vulnerable, as the Doctor felt the
effects of Scaroth's machine in "city of Death" and Romana felt twinges
too.  The Doctor said that was probably because he'd crossed the time
barrier so many moe times than Romana has.

>
>>This is my theory as to how the doctor always barely escapes with his life
>>and/or saving the universe.  Sometimes he uses his intelligence, but other 
>>times he's in a no-win scenario until something miraculous happens.  I
>>believe he has outside help!
>>	
>While we're on the subject of causality, remember 'Terminus'?  The one
>where the space station gets sent back in time and causes the Big Bang?
>Did it bother anyone else that Terminus was created out of the product
>
of theI
 Big Bang (the universe), which was created by Terminu

 Ah, but you are making the assumptioon that Terminus is from our Universe,
and that was not established in the story.  As Steve Gallgher authored
this story, I would think it very probably that the ship was from
elsewhere, since he is the same writer who got the Doctor out of E-Space
in "Warriors' Gate," a story that dealt with the intersection point
of at least two universes.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: DALEK's
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:16:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <18laovINNp5e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>   ... SO, to all the experts - in 'The Daleks' Hartnell discovers that
>the Daleks run on static electricity, so he uses a coat to insulate the
>floor to 'unplug' the Dalek.  I believe that in 'The Dalek Invasion of 
>Earth' the Doctor discovers that the Daleks have developed a better 
>source of power.  So how come in 'Genesis of the Daleks' the Daleks are
>running all over Skaros without any source of static electricity?  I don't
>think 'earth' and stone are a good source.

OK, one theory with absolutely no evidence.

The Daleks started out with all the mobility Davros had.  They used this to
(they thought) wipe out the Thals.  They become the undisputed masters of
Skaro.

However, they don't have spaceflight.  They have no more places to conquer.
And so, they turn inwards to their own culture and start building their
cities as in "The Daleks".

Some bright Dalek develops a new, more efficient mode of propulsion -- static
electricity.  They are limited to their own city -- but why would they want
to leave anyway?  Their city is perfect.  It is the best place in the
wasteland of their dead planet.  And besides, they have their hoverbouts
and other bits of technology for the few maintenance missions they'll need
to run outside the city (like on the pipeline).  Why else would they want
to leave?

And so the old technology falls into disuse and is eventually all but
forgotten.

The Doctor at this point encounters the Daleks in "Dead Planet" and almost
-- but not quite -- wipes them out.  Maybe there are survivors who were
outside the city.  Maybe the Daleks aren't really dead.  Either way, the
Daleks go on.  (The stage play "Curse of the Daleks" might be the story
of how this happened.)

Then comes spaceflight.  And then the Daleks need to deal with mobility
again.  They have new worlds to conquer.  They play for a while with the
dish-on-the-back system as in "Dalek Invasion of Earth".  Then the Daleks
rediscover the old solar-panel technology from the days of Davros, refit
it, and go on to conquer a few galaxies.

Plausible?  I think so.  Any evidence?  I think not.  But it sounds good
enough for me.
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 12 Sep 1992 06:00:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
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In a previous article, torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) says:

<stuff deleted>

>
>How about if we use the word...irritating?  Does that fit her better?  ;)

For many and for me at times it is.

>I didn't hate her, but I might have perhaps rathered another...more 
>appealing character.  I know everybody has different tastes, so...did
>anybody out there like Peri?  We won't flame you...honest! ;)
>
I like Peri however I wish the writers had cut out some of the whining.

>>"A number of the Doctors were(are) arrogant only some are more arrogant
>>than others."  .... Animal Farm - George Orwell  (OOPS wrong quote!)
>
>I suppose, but Davidson had very little!!!  And that fact that he was in 
>between the Bakers amplifies it even more!
>
I can't recall any specifics, but I thought even Davison had his arrogant
moments.

> 		Mystic

-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :   
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From: c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (I AM NOT ON DRUGS. HONEST. I WAS BORN THIS WAY.)
Subject: Re: Immortal Companions:  The Doctor's Age & His Companions
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:40:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.185312.24496@wam.umd.edu>, mrmuon@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> In article <BuAFIC.6zB@acsu.buffalo.edu> v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu  
> (Chris Nasipak) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep8.193458.5759@wam.umd.edu>,  
> mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes...
>> >there were two gaps with no humans on board (that I can think of):
>> >Keeper of Traken - Logopolis  with Adric as the only companion.
>> >Timeflight - Arc of Infinity with Nyssa
>> Inside _Robot_ - that's when he reprogrammed Xoanon, met James Kirk, &c.
>> The Deadly Assassain - The Face of Evil with no companion on board
>> Ressurection of the Daleks - Planet of Fire with Turlough
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^> Is that the right title?  I'm a little confused on all the  
> RotD
>>               stories...
>> 
>> That's all I can think of for now...  Enjoy!
> 
> I should have quoted some context, this was referring to the period  
> between two of the Doctor's age referrences.
> Incidentally I don't agree with the claim (made in "the Terrestrial  
> Index") that the Dr whent anywhere in Robot. There are a few gaps where  
> the Dr and Sarah could have had the adventure with the Mordrey (sp?)  
> expedition.

According to Terrance Dicks in 'The Face Of Evil', the Doctor visited the
Mordee expedition at some stage during the 'Robot' adventure. Now, since
Terrance wrote 'Robot' this seems a good way to have it. It's not canon because
it didn't happen on TV, but it fits easily and comfortably, especially as
Sarah was not mentioned in the legends concerning Xoanon.


Edward D
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ANSWERS to QUIZ 7 - NOT!
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:31:12 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


Oh what the hell, why not?

> And now, episode 7, about the 4th Doctor with 3 more quizzes on the way :
> 
> 1)  WHat K-? Robot did the Doctor face in "Robot" ?
 
Hey wasn't it a K-Mart special Whiz-Bang Robot (some assembly required)

> 2) What was the alternative Earth 1980 that the Doctor showed to Sarah?

An Earth controlled by a B-grade Hollywood actor, a lady-of-rust with a 
serious hairdo and some short guy with some bird droppings on his head.
 
> 3)  Which Pub did we see in "The Android Invasion" ?

 The Rusty Nipple Nut?

> 4)  In "Hand of Fear" which London borough was the Doctor aiming for?

Da Bronx
 
> 5)  Name the only person healed from Janus thorn poisoning?

Pat Robertson - YEEESSSSSS!  You have been heeeeeaaaaaaalllllleeeeedddd!
 
> 6)  What was the "The Sunmakers" a satire of?

The Los Alamos Lab X-division
  
> 7)  What was the Doctor's target planet in "The Pirate Planet"?
 
Alpha Bluebeard

> 8)  Name to date, according to BBC ratings,  the most watched Doctor Who 
>    serial?

That's easy, it has to be the....oh, damn what's it called,  hell!

> 9)  NAme another Planet from "Shada" where a rival Time lord group set up 
>     base?

WEll, THat's EAsy, MUst BE THe "RIval TIme LOrd PLanet"

> 10)  What was needed to make the dodecahedron work as a lethal weapon ?
 
Being able to spell dodecahedron backwards, while drinking a glass of Jolt 
cola and standing on your head.


So what do I win?

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

It's labor day, and here I am laboring away.  That sucks.
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:49:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
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In a previous article, rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) says:

>That is because Peri lacked personality, not the Doctor!  She spent a lot
>more time simply whining than most other companions (with the possible
>exception of Joe, Peri was THE most helpless companion I have seen, which
                                     ^^^^^^^^
Helpless?????  HELPLESS?  HELPLESS!!!!  How about when she got the gun from
the 'Bobbie' in the CYBERMEN story (can't remember the title).  I don't
think she's as helpless as you think.


>
>>I personally think the Dr. has a certain justification for being arrogant
>>- he is not human, he is better  (physically) and knows more (mentally), is
>>much more slick, cunning and just basic intelligence besides being
>>telepathic, having many more biological defense mechanisms that we do,
>>etc...  He is also of a prestigious race, AND within that race, he is of a
>>prestigious chapter!
>
>Yup again.  I see nothing wrong with him being arrogant.  Don't understant
>why it seems to bother some folks...

"A number of the Doctors were(are) arrogant only some are more arrogant
than others."  .... Animal Farm - George Orwell  (OOPS wrong quote!)


>
>> 		Mystic
>> 
>> (alex.soto@analog.com)
>
>
>
>                                          Rockerboy
>

-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :   
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: The future?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:26:26 GMT

In article <BuCKvJ.DHK@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.123152.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>
>>If what quantum physics seems to be saying about how _thought_ can affect
>>the universe is true, we'd best stop thinking we WILL kill ourselves off,
>>or it'll come true.
>>
>    I don't remember ever teaching that to my students in PHY281S! Quantum
> physics, at least as taught in physics textbooks, does not say that the
> power of thought is sufficient by itself to modify the universe, other
> than in the obvious way that the thoughts modify the actions of the
> thinker.
>    Quantum mechanics has had some very strange things said about it, and
> this is one of the more common ones.
> 
>>Kellie         internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
> 
> 
> -- 
>  Christopher Neufeld....Just a graduate student  | Don't let your mind
>  neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca    Ad astra  | wander -- it's too little
>  utzoo.utoronto.ca!generic!cneufeld              | to be let out alone.
>  "Don't edit reality for the sake of simplicity" |


Oops, sorry.  What do I know?  I work in a History department!  I did mean
quantum mechanics, but screwed up.  I've read a couple of layman-type books
on the subject, but freely admit to being no expert.  I just found it very
interesting that *seemingly* scientists can affect the behaviour of particles 
by thinking about them.  Thanks for the correction.

Kellie
From: lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long LIVE the 3rd Doctor (Pertwee,Ithnk
Date: 9 Sep 1992 01:17:02 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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*I* should be so lucky!

Seriously, if you want a change, complain at your PBS Station.  Or just stop
watching for awhile...

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
"You're too young and I'm too well hung..." -- Spinal Tap
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From: riggs@seq.uncwil.edu (Edward Riggs Jr)
Subject: audio tapes
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:07:41 GMT

  The BBC Audio Collection has recently released two of 
Patrick Troughton's missing stories, Evil of the Daleks
and The Macra Terror. Does anyone know where I can find
these in the USA ?  Do Tom Baker and Colin Baker do a good
job linking these stories? 
							Ed Riggs
							riggs@seq.uncwil.edu

I am also looking for other missing stories on audio :)



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From: drwho@penny.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The future?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 16:26:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <NqHwqB7w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>> drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) writes:
>> On a point of clarification,  as proven in the 2 previous World Wars, some
>> massive bad has to take place before something good.  Only by the end of W
>WII
>> did we acquire the nuclear factor.
(and so on)

Just to clear things up, Dave said this, not me.

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)        # "You have not heard one negative comment
Disclaimer: "It's all absolutely    # from me about the other two people who
devastatingly true, except the bits # want my job.  And you *won't* hear any
that are lies."  --Douglas Adams    # until, um, the middle of August."
                                    #                 --George Bush, June 1992
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: The Five Doctors query
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.141748.22767@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>We all know how Tom Baker decided not to appear in The Five Doctors,
>forcing Terrance Dicks to change the script.  Could anyone out there, if
>they know, tell me what would the show have been like if Tom Baker had
>actually appeared?  What would he have done, and how would the story
>have changed?  Does anyone think the story suffered through not having
>all the Doctors in it, or whether five Doctors would have been to 
>unweildy, what with a large number of companions appearing?  Cheers.



In its early stages, the script had the First and Fifth Doctors going
together into the Tomb whilst the Fourth went to Gallifrey and found
things out there.  
The companions are an interesting question that may not have an answer.
I know J-N-T originally wanted Jo paired with the Third Doctor and
Sarah with the Fourth, but at about the same time it became apparant
Tom wasn't going to do the show, J-N-T found out that Katy Manning
was now living in Australia and thus unavailable.
From: stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: THE SIX OR SEVEN DOCTORS
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:16:02 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


I have "The Five Doctors" on video and I was wondering if there was "The  
Six Doctors" or if they were going to make "The Seven Doctors" movie?  Can  
anyone help me out??

Thanks,

Kevin T. Stiner
-----> Colin Baker is the BEST!
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From: mrmuon@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Immortal Companions:  The Doctor's Age & His Companions
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:56:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.035349.6236@unlv.edu> dalton@charlie.cs.unlv.edu  
(Beiad Dalton) writes:
> Is it possible that Galafrey is on a different temporal axis?

I doubt it, but the Doctor lives in the TARDIS and not on Gallifrey  
anyway.
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.173949.27008@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next16pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>My basic criticism is that both the 1st and 6th Doctors showed a prominent  
>grouchy, mean side. But I think William Hartnell did a much better job at  
>being likable nonetheless.

That's just it.  Colin Baker was a good Doctor to be
sure and had enough classic arrogance and grouchiness
to be Hartnellish.  But Hartnell always showed
generosity per episode.  He often was very kind and
granfatherly (for instance, when he left Susan on
Earth), understanding and could recognize his
mistakes as mistakes (such as in Unearthly Child).
Baker had the arrogance and grouchiness but dind't
ever temper it with a nice side (he even tried to
strangle Peri).  Rarely did he appear generous,and
rarely did Baker's Doctor ever think he made a mistake
or admitted it.  With Trouhgton that was funny.  With
Baker it got annoying fast.

Marc Wasserman
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu

-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
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From: pevans@sanjuan (Patricia Evans)
Subject: Dave vs. Warren (was Re: The future? )
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:47:37 GMT

I can hardly believe I'm actually joining this flame-Dave fest, but
I *couldn't* let this one pass.

In article <TmuVqB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey) writes:
>
>-
>- Well.....if anyone can decipher that fine bit of posting, they're welcome
>- to, because I sure can't. Furthermore, nobody I know from high school
>- would have the low taste to hang around Dave, at least nobody who I
>- consider a) human and b) worth hanging around.
>-
>- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>- -   "It's up to you." - JFK         - this message brought to you by     -
>- -   "B-ko no BAKA!" - Project A-ko  - Warren Frey, BAKA's resident Hentai-
>- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>10 points Warren for insulting people in CompSc and Math and Dentistry Grad
>studies for your old High School.  Shot yourself badly in the foot that time.
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)

Well, I really hope Dave isn't referring to me but it certainly looks
like it.  Anything he might claim is my opinion of someone must be
invented since I certainly wouldn't have told him.  Incidently, the
invented opinion is dead wrong.  Warren appears to have had the good
judgement not to try to get along with Dave; I tried, but failed since
my patience for putting up with Dave and his incessant blatherings
is a lot more limited than the aformentioned blatherings.

I'd rather be locked in a room with Peri and Mel (the companions
I find most annoying) for hours than have to put up with Dave
ever again.  (obligatory whovian content) 

Patricia Evans
pevans@sanjuan.uvic.ca

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From: mrmuon@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: DALEK's
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:32:43 GMT

In article <18laovINNp5e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Peter Mullaney) writes:
>    ... SO, to all the experts - in 'The Daleks' Hartnell discovers that
> the Daleks run on static electricity, so he uses a coat to insulate the
> floor to 'unplug' the Dalek.  I believe that in 'The Dalek Invasion of 
> Earth' the Doctor discovers that the Daleks have developed a better 
> source of power.  So how come in 'Genesis of the Daleks' the Daleks are
> running all over Skaros without any source of static electricity?  I  
don't
> think 'earth' and stone are a good source.

   In "Genisis" they have some sort of less than perfect internal power  
supplies, perhaps some sort of batteries that must be periodically  
recharged. After the Daleks were burried for some time in the remains of  
the bunker they reemerged and frightened of the timid Thals. They  
proliferated and built a large city which had a centralized power system,  
the Dalek transports were recharged by electricity through the floor. As  
they had no interest in going out into the wastland beyond the city they  
removed the travel power systems, leaving only a very short term backup  
power supply for the life support systems (not movement or weapons). They  
did have interest in traveling beyond Skaro to assert themselves as "the  
supreme beings of the Universe", so groups of Daleks went on space  
expeditions; these Daleks had something similar to the original power  
supplies but also had microwave dishes on their backs so that they could  
recharge while away from a ship. The Dr arrived and kiled all the Daleks  
on Skaro when he sabatouged their central power system; that was the end  
of those Daleks. The Daleks who left went and invaded Earth. They improved  
their technology and developed satasfactory internal power supplies.  
However they still maintained elements of the original central power  
system, such as the door near the end of "the Daleks' Masterplan".
                            - Eli
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