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From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Subject: Re: allstar-circuit
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:02:34 GMT

In article <hoens.728035484@gmd.de> hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens) writes:

> result of the allstar circuit in saga/japan:

> j.o.waldner-j.rosskopf 21.15, 21:17, 19:21, 21:9

> (that was all i found in my daily newspaper)

The following info was given in my own daily newspaper:

Saga, Japan:

WORLD ALL STARS CICRCUIT

             Men's single

Quarters:
* Jan-Ove Waldner, Sweden - Kim Taek-Soo, South Korea
     21:14, 21:15
* Joergen Persson, Sweden - Ma Wenge, China
     21:18, 21:11
* Chen Xinhua, England - Toshio Tazaki, Japan
     21:18, 21:13
* Joerg Rosskopf, Germany - Andrzej Grubba, Poland
     21:17, 21:18

Semis:
* Waldner - Chen
     21:13, 21:11
* Rosskopf - Persson
     21:12, 21:14

Final:
* Waldner - Rosskopf
     21:15, 21:17, 19:21, 21:9


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Stuff regarding DPP may be sent to x90perwe@ida.liu.se instead.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: Obtaining rubber in Japan
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:34:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


I have a question about obtaining paddle rubber in Japan.

A friend of mine recently returned from China, and while there had obtained
some Double Happiness paddles for about $4 each.  That's a pretty low price.
I'm actually only interested in the rubber, but anyhow....

Now I have another friend in Japan.  Is is possible to obtain similar
bargains there?  If so, which brands (and types) of rubber are easily
available there, and for how much?  I'm sure that he would get me some
if I asked, and if I could provide him with sufficient details.  My friend
speaks only a little Japanese, but knows how to get around (he's worked there
for 2 years now).  He is currently in Shimodate, but goes to Tokyo periodically.

Thanks for any information you can provide.
                                                  Scott Gordon
                                                  gordons@cs.colostate.edu
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Service Rule Question
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:41:03 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


  After the ball is tossed, must it be visible at all times?

  A player in our club tosses the ball and then hides it with his body.
The ball is not visible when it makes contact with the paddle.  My 
impression is that this type of service is illegal.  What do you think?

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* cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu | Corollary: The early worm gets eaten.    *  
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: ckuan@fraser.sfu.ca (Chiow Min Kuan)
Subject: Re: Obtaining rubber in Japan
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:49:39 GMT

ktliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kuang-Ting Liu) writes:

>     The P.O. Box address and the phone number of Butterfly:
>     TAMASU CO., LTD.  P.O. BOX 17, SUGINAMI, TOKYO, 166 JAPAN
>     813-3314-9953

>     I don't have their street address in English but your friend may call them


	  "TAMASU CO.,LTD., P.O.BOX 17, SUGINAMI, TOKYO, 166 JAPAN" is already the so called "English" street address.    :-)



>to know how to get there.
>Kuang-Ting Liu
From: pauln@loopkill.EBay.Sun.COM (Paul Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: 1993 Worlds
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:39:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pauln@loopkill.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: loopkill.ebay.sun.com

In article 1k12ibINNlsi@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu, ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all!
>       Does anyone know when the 93 World Championships will be held?
> 
> -Alex

The 93 World Championships will be held in Gothenburg, Sweden from May 11 to May 23rd.


Paul
From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: English Table Tennis Magazine
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:37:27 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monet.dmsv.med.umich.edu
Originator: ajchien@monet.dmsv.med.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan27.155502.28872@linus.mitre.org>, rshain@mwunix (Robert Shain) writes:
|> 
|> Subject: Address of English Table Tennis Association
|> Does anyone have the address of the English Table Tennis Association and
|> the subscription rate for the USA or phone number.
|> 
|> 
|> Robert B. Shain                              EMAIL: RSHAIN @MITRE.ORG           
|> The MITRE Corporation                        Voice: (703)883-5592               
|> Center for Intellignence & Special Programs  FAX: (703)883-6991                 
|> Mailstop W955                                                                   
|> 7525 Colshire Drive                         "My other computer is a Cray"       
|> McLean, VA. 22102                           "My other car is a bike"            
|>                                             "My other sport is ping pong"       
|>                                                                                 

Come to think about it, how many other TT magazines/newsletters are out
there?

-Alex
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: Legal TT-glues
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec.
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:40:42

Hello!

First I thoght I'd tell you that the Sweds have decided not to bann
regluing until the last of February. From the first of March regluing
is only allowed with non-toxic glues. I don't know what the Sweds have
decided on regluing in the playing hall, but I believe that regluing
is forbidden in the playing hall.

The non-toxic that glues that still will be allowed, in Sweden, after
the first of March are:

	1. "Rapid Clean" by Tibhar
	2. "Ambro Fast" by Scholer & Micke
	3. "Universal" by Scholer & Micke

You can however be sure that also the other gluemakers will introduce
a non-toxic glue on the market shortly if the gluebann is here to stay.

Bye
Mosche
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From: x92chandrapp@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: RE: T T in Kalamazoo-MI area?
Date: 24 Jan 93 13:06:19 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hi netters,

I had asked for info and I am posting this for a guy who gave me this info.

>Yes! There is a local club.  It meets Friday nights from 7 P.M. to either 
>10 P.M. or 11 P.M., depending on the turnout.  Cost is $2 for college students
>like us.($3 for adults, $1 for high school and below)  It takes place in the 
>gym at Old Kalamazoo Central(or community education center,same thing). 
>That's on Westnedge between Vine and Dutton.  You go in the west entrance on 
>Dutton street and go up the stairs.  There are players of all skill levels
>there. There are a bunch of players around the 1700 level, a group around 1400,
>and the rest a bit lower.  There is also one player there who has a 2100 raing.
> He is usually there.

>John

-suresh
From: davidr@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David J Rosenzweig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Princeton Tournament
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:24:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


    Does anybody out there have any information about the tournament in 
Princeton, New Jersey at the end of January?  Any information would be 
appreciated.  Thanx.
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: historical question
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:01:24 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <38723@cbmvax.commodore.com>
grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
 
>
>Yes, I have a Philadelphia NHRS newletter that has a picture of one of
>the Budd/Michelin cars on the branch that runs by my house.  It's pretty
>strange looking.  I wonder how much of it was "european design"?
>
What branch is this, please?  I was wondering where they ran.
 
>Thinking about it, did the Pennsy every buy into the RDC cars?  They kept
>their 1920/1930 era doodlebugs up till the abandonment of most of
>the branch line passenger service.  I know they eventually did for the
>shared Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore lines.
>
No, they never owned an RDC except for the PRSL.  I remember doodlebugs
on Trenton - Long Branch, Trenton - Bordentown - Camden, and Camden -
Pemberton lines, but I know they ran on most every branck line in the system.   r
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: gregg@pinot.zehntel.com (Gregg Fuhriman)
Subject: Re: West Coast Spottings
Reply-To: gregg@pinot.UUCP (Gregg Fuhriman)
Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:34:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.174312.25906@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:
>
>Well, dinosaurs still live on the class 1 roads. Just last week I spotted 3,
>count em, three, SD9s at South San Francisco. Two were Roseville power and one
>was from Houston. These old dogs have been around the block so many times
>there's hardly an original piece of metal left in 'em, and they're still

Yeah, the SP still runs lots of SD9's and GP9's ... I believe all of them
have be "remanufactured" at least once.  However, I think most of the "metal"
is original, save for engine parts that wear out, wiring, etc.  I have
become so used to seeing these units on SP that I easily forget how old
they are and how unique it is see such units in daily service.  Apparently
there is an effort to steadily get rid of these older units, so we better
get out there and photograph them now.  I recently read that SP is replacing
GP9's with GP40's on local trains.

			GPYN (Get Your Pictures Now),
				Gregg Fuhriman

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: NEC
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:11:39 GMT

In article <93027.152658AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Aron Eisenpress <AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
 
>
>The branch through Bala only runs as far as Cynwyd, and only weekdays
>(6 trains each way).  My understanding is that the bridge over the
>Schuylkill isn't in good enough shape any more.
>
>Manayunk and on has service from the ex-Reading side, through Market
>East, North Broad, etc.  (The Bala branch is ex-Pennsy -- did that
>ever run thorugh on the Reading trackage?)
 
All this is from memory, and consequently subject to error.
 
The PRR line was electrified at least (and I suspect only) to Norristown.
I recall seeing timetables for local (presumably MP54) service that far
as recently as the early 60s.  Passenger service was cut back to Manayunk
circa 1965 (really unsure about that date, would have to check timetables
at home).  Service beyond Norristown was steam, later diesel.  The first
time I rode the Red Arrow to Norristown (1959), wires were still up on
the Pennsy under the bridge, and I believe a limited passenger service
was still being operated by them.  I believe also at that time, the
Reading MU service extended beyond downtown up a short spur to the north
whereas the main line to Reading and Pottsville continued on, crossing
the Schuylkill River I think just west of the Red Arrow Bridge.
 
When I try to remember what the story was west of Norristown, my
memory really gets foggy, but I remember both Pennsy and Reading timetables
circa 1960 showing joint service with something like 4 or five trains a day
on the Reading, one on the Pennsy and several round trips of Reading
Transportation Company busses.  I THINK I remember that the Pennsy service
and all but one Reading train ended at Pottsville, while the busses and a
single Reading train, the "King Coal", went to Shamokin.  It is my impression
possibly incorrect that the Pennsy and the Reading had essentially parallel
lines, like maybe on opposite sides of a river, all the way to Shamokin
and perhaps even farther than that.  Could check old maps and timetables
at home if/when I have time if somebody else doesn't remember more complete
and accurate details.
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: NEC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:55:21 GMT

M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:

>>1. What is the maximum speed allowed?

>It varies.  I don't have Employees' Timetables here at the office, but it's
>something like:   90 mph Boston - Providence
>                  80 mph Providence - New Haven
>                  90 mph New Haven - New York
>                 110 mph New York - Washington

The maximum speed permitted on the Northeast Corridor is 125 mph (about
200 km/hr).  As Len noted, speeds vary widely depending on physical
characteristics of the line.  Also, certain equipment is restricted to
110 mph or lower.  All of the 125 mph running is between New York and
Washington but there is some 100+ mph running north of New Haven.

> Freight service?  As I mentioned earlier, there is not much freight left on
>the Corridor.  Before about 1970, there was lots.

Perhaps someone local to the NEC can explain in more detail but my
recollection is that regular freight operation on the Corridor continued
at least up to the time of the Conrail merger and Amtrak's concurrent
acquisition of the NEC from Penn Central in 1976.  Only after the infusion
of millions of dollars for the Northeast Corridor Improvement Program in
the late seventies did Amtrak begin to actively discourage freight
operations on the NEC.
-- 
Jon Roma
Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet:  roma@uiuc.edu      	UUCP:      uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: MARC information wanted
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:49:09 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

If you commute regularly from anywhere between
Brunswick, MD and Martinsburg, WV to Rockville Metro
stop, please post your opinion about the journey.
Amoung the questions I have buzzing around my
brain are:

-- Are runs usually on time?  What is "on time"(+-5minutes)?
-- How bad is the parking at the lot you use (crime, 
   crowding, etc.)?
-- How stable are the monthly fares?
-- Is crowding bad?  Are people turned away for lack of
   seating?
-- Could one read or work on the journey (i.e. how bad
   is the roadbed and the internal power supply to the
   lights)?
-- Has the governing authority hinted at the demise of the
   line in the future?
-- What is the general condition of the engines and the cars?
-- How do most people pass the time?

Since I've never used this run, there are probably
several things about it that I should ask, but
don't know to ask.  Please stick that in as well.

Thanks very much,
Lair
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: ``Gauntlet'' vs. ``Gantlet'' (was Re: South Shore Wreck 1/18)
Keywords: press
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:51:10 GMT

phinton@larson.helios.nd.edu (paul hinton) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.160557.9328@sei.cmu.edu>, weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock) writes:

>|> Just a quick question: the USA Today writeup of the wreck talked about a
>|> bridge in a place called "gantlet".  I assume the reporter got confused at
>|> that they really meant that the bridge had a gauntlet track.  Or is there a
>|> place on the South Shore with a gauntlet track called gantlet?

>The correct spelling is "gantlet."  A gauntlet is a type of weapon.

Actually, a gauntlet is a medieval form of armored glove, not a weapon.

The issue of ``gantlet'' vs. ``gauntlet'' has come up in this newsgroup in
the past.  Both spellings are correct and in common use, according to
various sources.  Both editions of Webster's I checked give the railroad
definition under ``gantlet'' but goes on to say that ``gantlet'' and
``gauntlet'' are alternative spellings.  Our online Oxford English Dictionary
server does not list the railroad usage of the word but states that
``gantlet'' is an obsolete form of ``gauntlet''.  (Perhaps U. K. railroads
do not use this term at all.)

Within the railroad industry, the usage of ``gantlet'' is more common but
not universal.  South Shore operating timetables use the term ``gauntlet
track'' in reference to the two locations on the railroad where this track
arrangement was in use.  (I commonly use this spelling because it's the one
I encountered first.)

>Just
>read James J. Kilpatrick's articles on spelling pitfalls and the press. The
>South Bend Tribune got the spelling right in all of its articles, but the
>Chicago Tribune was downright pitiful, using both spellings all over the
>place.

Regardless of which spelling one uses, I agree that a newspaper should choose
one style and stick with it.  This word, however, is not in common enough use
in the [non-rail] press for it to appear in most newspapers' style books.

As an aside, Tuesday's Chicago _Tribune_ gave a good description of a gauntlet
track.  This description and accompanying drawing were good enough that
readers not familiar with railroading should be able to understand the
concept.  This was the best description I've read in the press -- some very
confusing and misleading ones have appeared elsewhere.

An article in Wednesday's _Tribune_ addressed the issue of the safety of
gauntlet track arrangements and seemed to observe that gauntlet track
arrangements, while not common, are no more unsafe than a conventional section
of single track with turnouts, contrary to some misconceptions in the news
media (and in rec.railroad).
-- 
Jon Roma
Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet:  roma@uiuc.edu      	UUCP:      uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
From: 195ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: ? about engine sets
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:47:11 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1jp1qtINN4as@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM (Mark Maral) writes:
> My son asked me a question the other day and I couldn't answer him
> so I thought I would tap the knowledge of all you experts.  The
> question is why do trains utilize various engine types when pulling
> a string of cars and why do some point forwards and some backwards?
> I kind of would like to know myself.  A 10 year old and 36 year old kid
> appreciates your response.
> 
> 
> 
All engines nowadays will run with each other. You can control all engines
in the consist from any one of the engines, normally the lead engine.
That way, they only need one engineer for all engines(unlike the old steam
era, when using 2 engines meant having 2 engineers and 2 fireman, one for
each engine). Engines can also run either direction (long hood or short hood
forward), but the preferred way (on most RRs) is to have the short nose
to the front. The reason they have them facing both directions is for
convenience. When the engine set gets to its destination, it doesn't have to
be turned to go back the other direction. If they have an engine facing
the front and one facing the back, they can just switch them around on
sidings. If they are all facing the same direction, they would need to
turn them around, requiring either a turntable, or a wye track.
(Although some RR's turn the engines anyway. The CP Rail/Soo Line runthroughs
in Michigan via CSX usually turn the engines when they get to Chicago. The
same engine is leading going as it is coming back, usually with all the same
engines in the consist too)

Hope this doesn't sound too confusing...
Fred
From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Hey.  The Frisco is more than an afterthought.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:43:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subject: Re: Chicago Burlington and Quincy (was: the proposed T line in Boston

ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes:


>CB&Q, ETC.

>merger with no voice in the application.  Since then the
>Jolly Green Giant was also gobbled up the St. Louis-San
>Francisco (Frisco Lines).  

For shame!  The mighty Frisco mentioned as an *afterthought*!  

tsk, tsk...

-Peter

(Who lives but 100 yds from the (former) Monett, MO - Paris, TX sub...)

Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1|"Finally: one of our guys is    |plaws@uafhp.uark.edu 
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| driving the car"--Dennis Miller|plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Steam Locomotives
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:11:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1jlatmINN8is@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L.
Werkema) writes...

>  I have what is probably an incredibly basic question to follow up this 
>thread.  Did steam for passenger trains using steam engines come directly
>from the engine boiler? 
	This gets into a subtle discussion about the word directly...

>I'd imagine the steam pressure would be too high for
>the steam lines to accept; did they lower the pressure somehow?
	My understanding is that coah heating started with "nothing",
	then progressed to coal fired stoves.  (These, combined with wooden
	coach construction made for some nasty fires, in case of wrecks.
	(There's a bridge wreck in the US (Ashatabula?) and others, everywhere.
	I vaguely recall that some of the Transiberian stock is heated by
	individual coal fired boilers...)

	As i recall, there were two "essential" developments:
		reliable regulators to reduce the pressure and
		reliable hoses/joints to deliver it.
	I suspect that the proof_in_practice of the air brake, and the
	demostration that it WAS possible to run "plumbing" along a train and
	make it work had a bit to do with it.

	To round out the discussion, steam was used, on some cars, to power
	an absorption type air conditioner. 

>And is the "steam for heat" line externally visible on the boilers of
>passenger engines, or was it internalized somehow?
	Just another pipe, tucked under the tender, visible on close inspection
	sometimes identifiable by being "thicker" due to insulation.

thanks
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