HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:05:08 GMT

In article <N7yTqB8w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>A reply to mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas):
>
>> Or for reasons of national security.  Corporate America is why this country
>> is as prosperous as it is.  Now liberals like you have screwed that up,
>> by your constant bashing and funneling money to non-productive causes.
>
>Like children and education, that's non-productive...

For every item you think is underfunded, I'd be more than
happy to tell you where the funding COULD 'come from'.

Would you like to take me up on it?

>> It was the USSR that militarily took over small countries.  We don't do that.
>> We only become involved when it's an issue of national security, and
>> we always give the country back.  You're really confused with these
>> issues.
>
>No you just throw over a democratic goverment with military force and
>replace it with military dictatorship. And what's "national security" seems
>often to be the same thing as US companies can't make enough profit in that
>country...

Where has the US overthrown a democratic government by miltary force?
Like the democratic government of Iraq?
>
>I'm proud to be non-american!

As can I say that for ever how bad I think it may get in America, at least
its the best.

>Only beer makes it possible in a mental hangover...

Oh, ok, I see now.  :-)  Really, don't you think it's hard to be serious
with a .sig like this?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Mike_Noreen%cave@sweden.eu.net (Mike Noreen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 10:28:49 PST
Organization: The Misty Cave BBS +46 753 33132

In a message dated Sun 12 Sep 92  4:19, Iank@microsoft.com (ian Kennedy)
wrote:


 IK> Well the news from the WOC just reached my site.
 IK> Glad to know my not yet paid for A3000 is an orphaned
 IK> machine.

Feels great, doesn't it. It's not six months since I shelled out $3000 for
my A3000, and now I can almost see the guys at C= saying "GOTCHA
SUCKER!!!". I cant even sell my A3000, cause it has dropped so much in
price.

 IK> Just who is going to develop software for the new AA chips?
 IK> Since none of the current machines can use them I see no reason to.

This is a valid point. There isnt going to be any 256-colour games, just
very few extreme high-end graphics utilities. All programmers will continue
to write for 'the smallest common denominator', which is a 1Mb A500... A
reasonable new computer might have changed that.

 IK> And what's the deal with the A600? And the A3000T/040? It makes
 IK> no sense at all! None! Two newly released machines that can't use
 IK> the new chips? Who's going to buy them? Especially the A600? And if
 IK> these machines (the A600...) do sell then why develop software for
 IK> the AA machines as there will what, maybe ten users out there with
 IK> A4000s?

There actually IS logic here, of sorts. The AGA-chip computers aren't
intended to be home computers. The C= product line is unchanged; the
AGA-machines are optional extras for those who need it. This offcourse
means that the PC-games will continue to improve, and the Amiga games
continue to stagnate - leading to a 'game-drain', where all those 13 year
old gamers go for PC.
And lets not forget that it's the 13 year old gamers who carry the amiga.

 IK> Commodores "strategy" evades me. I'm totally confused. Somebody send
 IK> over
 IK> the BLAZEMONGER Customer Service folks, I need to be put out of
 IK> my misery.

I feel rather more aggressive than depressed.

But I guess the A3000 owners are few enough to be ignored without it
affecting sales. I think I'll call C= and have a therapeutic yell.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Mike_Noreen%cave@sweden.eu.net
cave!Mike_Noreen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: c.s.a.advocacy in general
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:59:34 GMT

01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

>	You know, I could make a kill file, but then, I would suspect that
>c.s.a.advocacy postings per day would dwindle down to a record 3 or so.

As Jay Leno didn't say: "Kill all you want, they'll post more." :-(
-- 
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From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga's and Software
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:30:56 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Sep15.201340.7735@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>Now that C= is heading down a very interesting path hardware wise, don't
>you think it's about time some attention was paid to the software end of 
>things. In particular, where are the educational applications? AmigaVision
>should be great for that. Why are companies such as BroderBrund not 
>supporting the Amiga?

I don't know why BroderBrund (BroderBund?  I always had trouble with the
spelling on that one) is not supporting the Amiga, but I do remember the
many great programs that they produced for the Apple // series.  Although
not yet a parent myself, I have several younger siblings who use an Amiga
A500 and I'm certain that they'd enjoy a better selection of programs
than is currently available.  Perhaps the introduction of the A600 as well
as Commodore's confirmed committment to the CDTV will spur the various
software houses to port existing titles as well as develop new ones.

>C= is making great hardware, but that's just 1/2 the story. There are some
>software holes that need filling. If only to sell A600's to homes. Why
>would a family want one if there was no software for it (educational that is).

I can tell you from personal experience that the lack of family-oriented
software certainly makes the Amiga less appealing.  A few years ago I
worked in a computer retail store which sold Macs, various PCs, and
even Amigas.  As an employee, I got a great deal on an A500 system for
my father and my siblings and told them that there would be all sorts
of neat software for their new machine.  Well, DPaint and a few games
are not bad applications for the family, but there was very little 
else and the machine has been used much less than it should have been.
The various applications and utilities that I find very useful are of
little interest to children in the 2 to 10 year old range.  :-(

When the CDTV first appeared, I thought that it would be a great machine
for the kids and was going to suggest that they purchase the A570 (or
whatever the designation was at the time).  However, the unit has only
just become available in the US and I'm still a bit worried about both
the quality and quantity of titles.  Hopefully, C='s latest announcements
about lower cost CDTV technology and their statements regarding the
importance of CDTV will result in a brighter future.

I for one have not felt this optimistic about the Amiga and C= since
the A1000 was first introduced.

>Philip McDunnough
>University of Toronto
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:52:27 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Sep4.103331.21984@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.034729.24084@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
> >In article <mykes.0dbb@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >>
> >>It would have been nice if a USEFUL notepad application shipped with 2.0x.
> >>Every doc file for every PD program and even the readme's for commercial
> >>apps SHOULD be done in NotePad, IMO.  Food for thought.
> >>
> >
> >	Why would one want to edit those files ? You have lost me. What you
> >probably mean is that you wish there was something like a ... more ???
> >	Well there is one and that's what it's there for.
>
> What he means (sorry if it's not, Mike!) is something like the situation with

This is exactly what I mean.

> MS-Windows, where most PD and Commercial software comes with readme's in
> Windows Write format.  The advantage of that over "more" is that you get
> different fonts and styles - you can do a little of that with more, but it
> doesn't look as good.  More importantly, you can use Write to print these
> documents in either your printer's fonts or for really good results you
> can use TrueType fonts, particularly with a laser printer.  The upshot of
> this is that you get good quality printed documentation if you want it -
> something you don't get on the Amiga unless you load the readmes into a WP
> and enhance it manually.
>
> >	If you realy need editors, how many more do you need ?
> >	ED, MicroEmacs, Edit !
>
> As of OS 2.0, Ed isn't too bad.  The inclusion of MEmacs has been a good
> thing, and even Edit is handy for repetitive operations on large files - DOS
> provides nothing remotely equivalent (it's not as good as sed, though).  The
> AmigaOS editors are pretty good for standard-issue stuff, but they don't
> handle fonts or even proper Amiga windows.  Something more visual would be
> useful, especially if it had the sort of printer support that MS-Windows
> provides.
>

This is my ovservation, based upon 2 months of owning my PC clone...  Word
for windows, which is bundled WITH windows, is functionally identical to
ProWrite 3.2 with the following differences:

1.	ProWrite has a spell checker and thesaurus.
2.	ProWrite supports multicolumns

That's IT.


>
> --
>
> David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: test
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:37:28 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <65448@cup.portal.com>, Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon) writes:
>>dtiberio@pdnfido.fidonet.org WRITES:
>>TEST test
> 
> test test
> test test
> test test
> Lovely test, Wonderful test
> 
> [suddenly a can of SPAM falls out of the sky and bonks you on the head]
> 
> Eureka Watson!  It worked!
> 
> -Gleeep


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! HE HE HE HE!!!!! HO HO!!! HA HA  WOAH...

(falling back on chair while laughing and hitting head on floor)

OUCH!

Good one, Gleeep!

Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: A3000T and Mac Quadra pricing
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.150305.21765@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:

>I personally think that DCTV if marketed properly can be a hell of a lot more
>successful then Quicktime.  Quicktime is incredibly lame, even when the anims
>are small they look like hell.  Forget full screen animations, they're barely 1
>fps.

Just out of curiosity, is DCTV hardware-assisted?  (Other than the
base hardware already in the Amiga?)  I don't believe Quicktime is on
most Macs.  That might account for some of the performance difference.

People seem to talk about Quicktime as if it were an end product in
itself like DCTV.  IMHO, that's being unfair to the whole Quicktime
idea.  I view it more as a set of standards and API's that allow
various hardware and software components to interoperate seamlessly.
For example, by plugging in the right hardware, you could
theoretically turn that low-res 1fps animation into a full-screen, 30
fps, 24-bit animation with MPEG compression, synchronized CD-quality
sound, etc.  This would all be device-independent and transparent to
the software.

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:51:48 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <dusek.716499361@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>
>>Oh, how witty, James.  Did it take all the intelligence you possess to learn
>>how to cut&paste?
>
>	More than what you got.
>

Obviously James, you've run out of points to make, so you resort to cheap
insults.  Grow up.

>>
>>Moron.  They guy made a sweeping one-sentence generalization, "The Amiga
>>is the only computer that can lay graphics onto video tape."  Seems pretty
>>clear to me -- clearly BS.
>
>	Idiot, why don't you try and clarify first. You statements
>just lead to more problems.
>

Why should I clarify something which is perfectly clear?  My statements lead
to problems only when people like you twist them around.

>
>James
>
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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:55:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.140013.13389@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:


>AGA _does_ top Apple and IBM.  We're talking standard equipment here.  Apple
>gives you 24-bit standard on a Quadra, sure, but they're somewhat more
>expensive than an A4000, too.  As for PCs, the standard everone compares Amigas
>to is your bog-standard ISA 486 with SVGA.  SVGA is 18-bit, while AGA is 24.
>The Tseng board I use at work can do 32,768 colours at once at 800x600.  AGA
>can do 262,144 at the same res.  SVGA cards don't have a blitter, copper, or
>sprites.  You can get the blitter and one sprite with a Windows accelerator,
>but not a copper.  And, I like my draggable screens, thanks.


I would like someone to point out where the market is for 24-bit graphics.
I only know one person who really uses 24-bit files and that is for 
high end DTP where the 24-bit Mac is used in conjunction with $200,000
drum-scanners, syquest cartriges by the dozzen, and about a million
dollars worth of equipment which I don't even remember the names of.
This Ham8 is going to give us near 24-bit color in high resolutions that
can animate full screens and this is on a platform already geared for
video.

What advantages does 24-bit have?  The disadvantages are: file size, 
slow speed, and no animation... right?  C'mon, what does 24-bit have?

I hope there is Ham mode between Ham8 and Ham becase I don't think you
really need 256,000 colors for many animations/applictions. 



                                 NCW


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.224824.16853@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>There are a few things Commodore should be doing immediately:
>
>One other thing is to release an update of AmigaUX for the A4000.
>Maybe an A4000T would be nice...  (I am too full of ideas.)

   If Commodore had put a 1280x960 non-interlaced monochrome or limited-color
mode into the AGA chipset, and had put SCSI on the motherboard, the A4000
would have made a damn nice low-end machine.  All Commodore would have had 
to add to it to sell it as a UNIX workstation is a little more memory, 
slightly bigger drive, monitor, and an EtherNET card.  

   As it is, by time you've added enough hardware to the A4000 to make it
usable as a UNIX workstation (a video card and SCSI card, in addition to the
rest mentioned above), Commdore's costs for the system make it impossible for
them to undercut anybody in the low-end UNIX workstation market.

>-- Gerald

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:14:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.061657.12557@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <92256.155713JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I'd be more happy knowing if I can install the new chipset in my 3000 than
>>knowing about a power-up deal.  What's the word on it?  Anyone?
>
>   No - AGA is not pin compatable with ECS. You cannot plop the AGA chipset
>into the A3000. 
>

	If you bend pins as frequently as I do you'll have no problem getting
the new chips to fit in the old sockets.

-- 
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Personal Attacks (Take A Pill)
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:08:33 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange


   Could we please stop all these vulgar personal attacks? 
   I realize the .advocacy has always had bickering and some slamming, but
the last week has been downright violent and really unprofessional. Could we
at least try to fake some sense of decency? 

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From: hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Dr. Hsueh-li Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:04:02 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <5417@tuegate.tue.nl> peter@blade (Peter Korsten) writes:
>
>The AA-chipset doesn't support all SVGA features, like 800x600 or
                                                        ^^^^^^^
>1024x768 in 256 colors.

	There has been numerous posts stating that the AGA chipset
does have 800x600 resolution in 256 colors and in 256,000+ colors(HAM8). 
Also since the AGA chipset is programmable like the ECS, I think it 
may be possible to have 1024x768 and 1280x960 resolutions in a future
release of workbench, though I'm not sure if the bandwidth would allow 
256 colors.

>
>--
>Peter Korsten, in real life peter@stack.urc.tue.nl
>expansion.library/ConfigChain : Configure the whole danm system
>- Amiga ROM Kernel Reference Manual, Includes & Autodocs, 2nd edition
>--- This signature will change when I get the 3rd edition ---

        Personally, I feel that 640x480 is good enough for most PC              
applications and 800x600 is just an added bonus. Sure it would be               
nice to have 1024x768 if you have a large monitor, but at least                 
640x480 isn't blocky like the 320x200 resolutions. I know in certain            
applications it is better to have higher resolutions, but this is the           
first unveiling of the A4000, give C= a chance to get some feedback to          
add new resolutions in the next OS release.

Joseph
hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 15:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.022556.14423@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
> 	It was on display at the CBM show in Sydney. Basicaly what you have
> is an accelarator replacing the A2000 68000 and a grafx card replacing the
> chip set. So You are buying another computer minus the keayboard.

and case and power supply and memory and hard and floppy disk interfaces and
serial and parallel ports and so on... all you're buying is a new CPU.

That's considered an advantage when it's a 486 DX2 or an Overdrive chip, why
are you belittling it here?
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`
From: Holt@cheme.washington.edu (Brad Holt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:53:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Chemical Engineering, U Washington

In article <jorngh.15.716550385@dhhalden.no>, jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN
GUNNAR HALONEN) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep14.153710.20705@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
> >	Why would they bother?  The only Amiga that has the AGA chipset
> >  is the A4000.  The Amiga that is truly going to sell well, the A600, still
> >  only has the ECS.  Where the heck is Commodores affordable AGA chipset
> >  machines??  Do they call the A4000 at over $3000 without a monitor 
> >  affordable?
> 
> Affordable ? YES!
> 
> I wonder why you americans whine about prices all the time, no matter
> how low the prices are they still are too high. I wish I could buy an
> Amiga 4000 for _ONLY_ $3000, but I live in Norway and I expect to pay
> about $4500 for it (roughly calculated). Yet I won't complain.
> 
> *JORN* (A3000)

   Well, if you got rid of your import tariff and VAT it might be more
affordable
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: storage@gbrmpa.gov.au (FTP Storage A/C)
Subject: Re: SCSI Vs. IDE?
Keywords: SCSI IDE
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:08:58 GMT

In article <copes.715597537@pride> copes@pride.cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>
>BTW, last week I read a comparison test between 14 486/50's.  They all ran 
>around 400-500k sec on the Hdisk tests

What a crock of shit, my 386/33 with IDE pulls around 850k/s.

matt.
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