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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: trolley track tragedy in San Francisco?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:50:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.081423.8484@athena.mit.edu> boo@athena.mit.edu (Christopher J Foley) writes:
>hello rec.moto:
>
>been away for a long time.  bought a bike in sept. still riding it. in the
>cold. anyways, I was talking to this guy from sanfrancisco who rides a "honda
>300 or 350 something" and he said it had special extra wide tires that 
>were put on at a dealer's long before he bought the bike, so that the wheels
>couldn't go into trolley track crevices, which he showed with his hands to 
>be about 4-5" wide, and as deep. 

He was pulling your leg (at the very least).

>	is this true? that would suck. I mean we've got railway tracks on some
>streets here in boston, but jeez! they're not that deep.
>howcome I've never heard about this on the net?

How 'bout, because it ain't true?

We do have lots of tracks all over town (conveniently located in between pot-
holes), and most are pretty harmless. The exception might be the tracks on 
19th Ave (the road that goes through Golden Gate Park), which cut diagonally
across the road, are SLIGHTLY elevated, and very slick when wet. Doesn't help
that there are 3 consecutive sets, and that traffic can get slow there, etc.

Downtown's not so bad, trackwise, but the little gremlins in charge of 
installing potholes occasionally place huge sheets of slick, polished metal,
raised about an inch above the rest of the road, at the tops of hills where
you can't see 'em until you're sliding across 'em. 

Every ride an adventure!

>the ggod news is, My employer wants to send me out that way soon.
>can you believe it? now all I gotta do is find a bike to ride while out there.
>anyone willing? I'll give you like, big amounts of cash to hold onto while I
>rent your bike.

You most likely do not have enough money to tempt anyone to let a Boston 
driver borrow his/her bike.

Seriously, the riding here's pretty good. People are generally pretty 'bike-
aware', you can park almost anywhere as long as you don't block foot traffic,
lane-splitting's legal, and if you manage to avoid the storms we've been 
having, you'll have a great time riding. (You might try to avoid Chinatown
for a bit, though: the drivers there can be quite "creative".) Also, lots of 
good microbreweries, usually with bikes parked out front.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is obviously either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally-
deficient, weak-willed, inconsequential, namby-pamby tool of some vague but
conveniently defined conspiracy, or b) my wife.
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Paint
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:50:57 GMT

In article <1760@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>	Any proper automotive paint supply store will be able to match
>	the paint even if it is not in factory pack. Many stores will

....but usually not perfectly. It took several tries (at different stores)
to get a reasonable match to my RZ's bright blue paint, and these were the
supposedly good paint matchers. Don't just paint the smallest possible area,
but try to paint an area that has natural boundaries where the eye won't 
notice a colour change, such as a bend in the panel, etc.

>		An Acryli Laquer based paint with a couple of
>	layers of clear over will do nicely...  You might even see

Lacquer is easy to use, as it dries fast (less chance of getting dust in it)
and can be buffed right away, but enamels are usually more durable and I find
that the finish is nicer. Be sure to test in an inconspicuous spot before 
you go with lacquer, on the chance that the old paint is enamel that is not
well cured.

>	sprying consistancy.  Base coat/ clear coat metallics are hard
>	to spot repair.... Depending on how much fairing your bike has

My experience tells me otherwise. In some cases, scratches don't go all the
way through the colour layer on basecoat/clearcoat and all you have to do is
smooth what's left, spray clearcoat on and buff later. This is much simpler
than trying to match colours, and the results are excellent. If the scratch
does go all the way through, it's no worse than non-clearcoated paint, and
the clearcoat over top makes any imperfections less obvious.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Build Your Own !
Distribution: na
Followup-To: alt.stupidity
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:51:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.145236.24367@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>
> That sounds almost as good as my version. I'd get a vespa and put smaller
>wheels on it. That way if I hit a pothole it wouldn't make it bigger. I'd
>also try to reduce the hp by maybe removing a plug because as we all
>know it would be better for the environment. Then I'd repaint it with some
>real good paint. Kmart has a sale on patio furniture paint. I'd make it
>an irregular square pattern. Different colors. Maybe put "Partridge
>Family rules" all over it. Chick magnet or what. Then I'd get a license plate
>frame that had a picture of Barry Manilow waving so if somebody cut me off
>I'd then cut them off and when they saw Barry the'd know not to fuck with
>me. Then I'd order a riding outfit from Elvis Accessories, something from
>his bloated like a pig tour. White with a big scarf and lots of glittery
>stuff.

Vespas are too fast, you might hurt yourself or something.  Try a CT70
or maybe one of those "no-ped" 50cc thingies that all the japanese
manufacturers used to make.  Hang a bunch of chrome Goldwing accessories
on it.   Don't forget the racoon tail on the rear fender, and the tassels
on the handgrips.

>I don't know maybe I'm just dreaming.

No, it sounds like a bike to fit your personality.   Go for it!


--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Greetings
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:06:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com


Just wanted to announce in my most humble manner that I have been
truly blessed by the great KotL with a membership number.

 *******************  I am now #0795  *************************

Pheww!  Enuff with the humble crap!!!!  Now I just need to get out of
this Chicago weather and back on a bike.  So when/where is that next 
Joust?  :^)

---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems
              Itasca, IL

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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: CARPAL TUNNEL ADVICE
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:08:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.094046.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
}A combination theray of thiamin and B-6 supplements.  The easiest (IMHO the
}best) way to get this is to take a good daily vitamin supplement for the
}thiamin component (I personally like Centrum; the mineral profile is not as
}fuck up as most vitamins on the market) and get a bottle of 100 mg B-6 pills

Now this therapy I can handle -- B-6 in ridiculous enough quantities brings
on some righteous dreams! Of course, in doubly ridiculous quantities (like
most things) it is toxic. Wouldn't be prudent.

Obmoto: Like everyone else in northern CA, I love rain. It comes so seldom,
and we've been in a drought for so long, and the @#$#@%&$&$ farmers using
85% of our state's water to grow rice in the $^*#@#%@ central desert do
need the water so desperately, but why does it have to pick this year to
recreate the story of Noah and the Ark? I just bought a new bike that needs
breaking in on twisties to make sure it grows up healthy and strong, damnit!

"Rain, rain, go away.
 And stay the hell away until I break in my bike and buy the Metzlers and
 burn them in."
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
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From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: I hate snow.
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:38:14 GMT

Let's see.  Since the first of year I have put a little over 1100 miles
on my FXR.  It's been tough though, It was cloudy on the 3rd and it got
clear down to 56 on saturday morning, but I toughed it out.  By the
way, what is this snow y'all keep talkin about.  <Sneerrrkkk>
-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Chicago Show/Gathering
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:34:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.171949.11846@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>This unfortunately is going to have to go all over the US, as I
>want to cover a goodly bit of the midwest.  If you are not within
>a weekend drive of Chicago, push N now.
>
>I am looking to have a little rec.moto get-together at the Chicago
>Moto show, on Saturday, Febuary 13.  The show is at the Rosemont/
>O'Hare Expo Center, here in Chicago.  The show actually runs on
>Friday evening through Sunday, but since we are likely to have
>overnighters, Saturday would probably be best, with Chicago 
>pizza and beer afterwards.  There are plenty of motels in the 
>area for overnighters.  I already have a housefull of guests for 
>that weekend, so I would welcome couch and floor volunteers from
>the area.
>
>Usual r.m disclaimer: you don't have to be a Denizen (though I'll
>be wearing my Geeky shirt... :-)
>
>Please let me know if you plan to attend.  Double points if you
>ride a scoot. :-)
>

I'll be there Sat but no bike it's being rejetted/reamed. I'll look for
the Geeky shoit.
Damn glad to meet ya.
 
================================================================================
 Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: CA bike inspection
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 14:08:39 GMT


If you're really worried about starting the bike for the inspectors,
you could always disable it before you go inside, then when it doesn't
start, swear about it "happening again"..... :')
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Engine Theory 101
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:15:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.210355.19004@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
>In Message-ID: <C0HyD2.JBH@world.std.com> CGKarras@world.std.com 
>(Christopher G Karras) asks in response to Ed Green' comments
>|egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>|>  Once the engine is
>|>driving the wheel (clutch fully disengaged), the clutch is not
>|>necessary for shifting gears, and you only need it again if you want to
>|>stop the wheel and not the engine.
>|
>|
>|OK, I'll bite.  Do you REALLY shift from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 etc. WITHOUT
>|using the clutch?  Is this thought to be good for the transmission and
>|good driving practice?
>
>In the dirt bike world, I rarely use the clutch for routine shifting.
>
>If you think about it, the movement of the shifting forks inside the
>transmission is the same whether or not the clutch lever pulled in.
>There is more of a load on the transmission when shifting without the
>clutch, but the design of the transmission shifting mechanisms probably
>determines if it's good or bad for the transmission.  Shifting without
>the clutch may be hard on the crankshaft, since your engine may go from
>5000 RPM to 2500 RPM rather abruptly.
>
>I raced a '76 Penton for 2 years without using the clutch much.  Never
>seemed to bother it.
>
>-Tim Seiss

Dirtbikes are not expected to reach 50-100,000 miles. The frames are often
broken, the suspensions worn out, and in general they're abandoned for a 
newer model in only a couple years. Combined with the expectation of a 
rebuild when racing, tenths of a second are probably more important than
extended transmission life.  For everyday street riding, I expect most people
would opt for longer service.

Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Prices of bikes in Europe?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:27:48 GMT

In article <C0EKHF.x3y@austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>In article <1icngmINNh9m@fido.asd.sgi.com>, spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) says:
>> > 
>> > Secondly, rumor has it that the K75 is a loss-leader in the States. Apparently
>> > it's as expensive to build a K75 as a K100 but the market just won't bear the
>> > cost of a >$10K 750.
>> 
>> The K75 (bare K75) is a loss leader. The K75S is not; you pay over $2,000
>> for the fairing, which is the only difference between the two.
>
>There is a little more on the S than just the fairing.  How about ABS (not
>available as an option on the Base), the stock low seat setup is a cheap
>piece of crap, the pad that forms the side covers also sticks your knees
>out in the wind.    According to the German dealer I chatted with a few
>months back the cost of producing a K75 (read that as any K75) is basically
>the same as the K100 so it definatly is the loss leader (if you can call $7000
>to $10000 a loss leader).

The differences between the K75S and the K75 are:

1) The plastic half-fairing on the S
2) The lower cowling for the engine on the S
3) The shorter handle bars on the S
4) The Corbin seat (stock on the S)
5) The plastic tank-hugger on the non-S

Anything else is an 'added cost' option. ABS is not free on the S (costs about
$1000).

The stock seat is just fine on the K75, thankyouverymuch. The plastic tank
pad doesn't stick my knees into the wind, and we do get a bit of it here in
the Bay Area.

So, figger about $300 for the Corbin, and you're still paying more than $2000
more for the fairing, lower cowling, and shorter handle bars. I'll admit the 
S looks better, but IMO, it doesn't look $2000 worth of better. You could 
probably put all that on the bike yourself for about $800.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is obviously either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally-
deficient, weak-willed, inconsequential, namby-pamby tool of some vague but
conveniently defined conspiracy, or b) my wife.
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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: open
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 13:20:42 PST

From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

.. Major deletion ...


Insurance is for protection, not profiteering.  ...

.. Minor deletion ...

  While agreeing in part with what you say, this particular sentence
may be true for you and me, and indeed everyone in r.m.  However,
there is only one business reason to be in the insurance business,
and it begins with a "p".

Al Moore  DoD  734    Live forever or die in the attempt.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: molenda@msi-i9.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: More amusing BMW trivia... (christmas continues)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:28:07 GMT

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>	I understand someone is actually plotting to give Groucho a BMW
>	anonymously!  Hey, it could happen.  Something similar happened
>	to me. (Should I tell them, Jason?)

I s'pose he truth is bound to leak out sooner or later, eh?

While the Left and Right Coasts have been arguing about which group has
the most nude rides, we here in the Middle Coast (aka the mndod mailing
list) are so utterly superior that we're actually GIVING AWAY A BIKE to
one lucky member of the list.  It so happens to be John Stafford is the
winner this year.   The marvelous bike he'll be receiving is none other
than the famed (locally, anyway) Mighty CB750F.  This is the bike that
amazes everyone as it continues to defy physics and common sense and
keeps on ticking.  It could give the Enegizer Bunny a good run for its
money.

Remember, Minnesota:  Yeah, it's really cold, but we have free bike giveaways.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: earp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J.Kevin Earp)
Subject: Re: I hate snow.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:32:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.203814.15439@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
>Let's see.  Since the first of year I have put a little over 1100 miles
>on my FXR.  It's been tough though, It was cloudy on the 3rd and it got
>clear down to 56 on saturday morning, but I toughed it out.  By the
>way, what is this snow y'all keep talkin about.  <Sneerrrkkk>
>-- 
>Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
>1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig

I HATE YOU.   (Calms down, wipes fevered brow and checks weather fore-
cast for the tenth time.  Emits stream of profanity as forecaster
speaks glowingly of highs in the twenties.)

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From: bobm@boo.uucp (Bob Marrow)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Summary: Mine!  Mine!  Mine!
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:17:00 GMT
Organization: Who?  Me?

In article <1993Jan9.164524.27969@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>$78 says I'm in halter heaven.

$79 and my altar is all set up.  I just need the bra and a color picture
of Geeky to complete it.

-- 
Bob Marrow             DoD#0632
bobm%boo@pacbell.com
bobm@netcom.com        ICBM: 38 0 22 N / 122 2 20 W
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:18:40 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Center, Univ. Hospitals of Cleveland
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: max.uh.cwru.edu


What's this about riding in a kilt?  Is that a heated electric kilt?  Is
a bra worn under it?  If so, it merits DoD membership...no pun intended.

Ed
DoD #1110
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman)
Subject: Re: AL weather
Originator: heathman@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:28:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.153433.25798@b30.ingr.com> mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>
>To all you Yankee and European DoDers:
>
>I rode to work today!!
>ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
>
>-- 
>Phil Mueller                  Telephone:  (205) 730-3231
>Intergraph Corporation        FAX number: (205) 730-3453
>Mailstop: GD3000              Internet: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com
>Huntsville, AL 35894-0001     UUCP address: bogus.dont.use

	To all you Southern DoDers:

	So What!!!  So did I!!!
        ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -  Mike Heathman           XV920 - Jezebel           DoD #0284               -
 -  Lilly Research           T500 - Titan (Awaiting Resurrection)             -
 -  Indianapolis, IN        "Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?    -
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain prematurely worn out?
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:41:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>  The old H2 used to have a manual oiler that had a pull handle,
>reservoir, and a line to the chain. Every so often you could give a
>little pull on the handle while riding and oil your chain. This could
>probably had from a wreckers and be fitted to most bikes. They made a
>big mess though.


You can do this with a syringe an a bit of tubing. Try old engine oil, its very
cheap and should make the chain last 1500 miles at least.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:01:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.053238.23133@linus.mitre.org> crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
>
>Harley, BMW and Ducati have developed styles of their own over the years.
>Now they are enslaved to them.  None can (or would) adapt to the technical
Can't say I agree with that. The K bikes and especially the K1 don't seem
tied to any past. The R1100RS looks to be radically different with the
common BMW thread being quality and advanced engineering (flame bait!!!!).

>To compete with more modern sport machinery, BMW would have to raise the 
>horsepower of their flat 4s, extensively retooling and redesigning not only 
>their engines.  Their chassises and powertrains would need modifications to 
NOT!

Germany currently has a voluntary 100HP limit, the EC will make that law.
BMW's already up against the 100HP limit with the K1100 engine. And in case
you hadn't noticed - Luftmeister offers a turbo for the K100 which requires
minimal modifications (clutch plates) to handle the additional hp. No
chasis mods are required.

You miss the point about the K series - their competition is not sport bikes,
but touring and sport touring rides. If you doubt there's insufficient
hp for competing in that market you haven't talked to anyone who's
come up against Pridmore on his K bike.

>the beemers in demand.  I suspect that BMW has difficulty in producing
>enough machines to meet demand.  
>
The Spandau factory is at 75% when making bikes. During the summer, the
factory makes Bimmer parts - mostly 3 series engine parts. BMW has
the manufacturing potential if their market share increases, which it's
likely to do if it continues releasing new models every six months as
it is currently planning.

All this drivel about BMWs being down on hp is just that. My piddling 58
hp GS is fast enough to get the adrenalin flowing. It handles twisties at 
maximum safe road speeds. It whips your head back when you wack the throttle. 
Sure, in theory I'll never win at the dragstrip - but ya know - I don't 
spend much time at the dragstrip. (oh and btw, I have owned several high hp
Japanese bikes which *would* have won at the dragstrip. They all had that
ancient quaint technology called chains. 8-))

============================================================================
           Jono    DoD: 316    Beemers: '85 K100RS '92 R100GS 
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
           "Too much of a good thing is never enough." -Luba
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