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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: inked; inkless?
Keywords: extreme, hardly 
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 02:23:46 GMT

as i was getting my first tattoo, a charming red crab, with black outline,
nice shadowing, and a bit of blue for effect, crawling (not really:-) up
the inside of my lower right calf, just above the ankle, Chas absolutely
refused to go any lower (anyone ever heard of Chas?), where i can display
it or hide it conveniently, i was considering - a number of things, really;
it was kinda like this:

the weather was crappy saturday, low clouds, diappointing skydives, more
of the same for sunday, so i spent all morning deciding whether to get 
a new ring, and maybe a new needle, or talk about a tattoo with sugarbear,
and maybe get one; well, for no particular reason, i decided to go back
to Rocky Mt. Tattoo, where Chas , who was deemed Denver's Best Tattoo Artist
in '88 by the readers of Westword, Denver's Art and something Weekly (not
especially prestigious, maybe, but prominently advertised), works - and hell,
it's close to Jerry's Leather Goods, and the Harley place.. 

so i didn't particularly like him, rather pompous guy, but his overall
manner convinced me, after some thought, that he was competent enough,
he was concerned about his reputation, wouldn't compromise itby doing my
ankle, as i'd proposed,.. very terse, concise, to the point (so to speak)
kind of guy, so we discussed the design, possible changes, colors, the 
process, all of which took virtually no time at all :-| but that was ok,
he wasn't much interested in conversation, and the design was just fine,
lots of character, very realistic, charming, really.

so he sets up for a few minutes, i refrain from smoking so i'm not jittery,
amuse myself with the 'dog-fucking-a-skull type designs ;-)   i go back,
check out all his stuff, bare my leg,which he shaves, wipes and dries, 
then applies generic Mennen deodorant to the skin, on top of which he lays
out the stencil, wipes off excess, andgoes to work, magnifying glasses
on, a different sortof scene..

i was expecting it to hurt,which it didn't, really, the needles felt 
pretty neat, actually, alternately like a red hot poker, an ice pick,
and an exacto blade, complete with appropriate temperature and texture
variations..  i watched the entire process, as closely as i could, it
hurt less that way, i did grit my teeth a few times, as well as clutch
the frame of the chair - right where the paint was worn off hehe

so, what am i getting at.. i never wanted tats on my arms, or chest, 
ar where they would be obvious, you know, i tend to be a bit modest,
but as he's needling my leg, i start to want tats where i can see em!
i'm rolling up my pant leg constantly, checkin out my critter, and i'm 
thinking 'shit, i'm gonna have tats everywhere, and i shouldn't be doin
that'   well, even if i were to get, say a large back piece,  or whatever,
at some point, i'm gonna run out of skin that i want ink under, and quickly

so, has anyone ever heard of getting needled without ink? just for the
sensation? i thought it felt esp. cool over my shin bone.

just a thought,
tim
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: ANASTHETICS AND PIERC
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble) writes
(to Dances with Drums)
>If you are not trying to start a fight about this, please don't use
>loaded phrases like "born-again Christian."  Like "PC," this is
>a usage meant for nothing but to antagonize.  It doesn't really
>bother me, but the fact that you used it says you're spoiling for
>a fight.  If this is the case,  1.) note followups to alt.flame
>2.) go fuck yourself.
  [self-righteous rantings omitted]
>Thanks for this gem of self-righteous assholery.
  [self-righteous rantings omitted]
>In case you only read the last line of this post (as apparently
happened
>with the last one) I'll restate the important point so that you
>won't miss it:
>
>Fuck off.

Thanks for showing such maturity and level-headedness in your post,
Bill. It is obvious that you are a truly enlightened individual who will
go far in the fields of diplomacy and rational debate.

The above paragraph emplos something known as "sarcasm". It may also be
called "facetious". I have no doubt some users of this conference will
find other words, primarily those "naughty" words their parents don't
allow them to use at home.

I see now what one of the attractions of Usenet is. There is,
apparently, NO moderation of any of these conferences. It's a place
where people can get away with saying FUCK and SHIT, right out in the
open, and where they can insult each other freely. And, for some people,
that's preferable to discussing a subject rationally. In many ways, it's
kind of like a zoo.

In conclusion, Bill, you're making a *FINE* impression of "what the
average piercing enthusiast is like" with your cute "fuck off" type
messages. It's coming across that "the average piercing enthusiast" is a
hotheaded pain freak who can't discuss anything without getting pissed
off when someone disagrees with him. Perhaps that's an image you like?
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: tons o' tats questions
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:47:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.ja9ig9s
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.210218.19012@bradley.bradley.edu> gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:

>2)is chlorine bad for a tattoo?  how long after the tattoo is done should i 
>wait before i go swimming?

It is not the chlorine, it is the soaking in water.

Wait until the scabs are completely gone, and the skin is mostly
smooth (about 2 weeks.)



Gee,  it seems that this group has become alt.flame while I was gone...


FWA
From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AND WH
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:33:10 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <456.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) bibbles away again:


>Who is Ben Sansing?  A mild-mannered psychotic bastard who dares to
>differ from the "Party Line" on some issues

	Psychotic? Ah. Well, that would explain things.

	As far as I can discern, there's no 'Party line' here,
	Benny-Boy. Perhaps paranoia is part of your psychosis?

>Why does he act that way? Well, he started out nice and friendly

	Actually, I think he started out rude an annoying. But who's 
	counting?

>, but some people just won't stop mewling and puking about anyone who
>disagrees with them, so Ben got the message and responded in kind

	As near as I can tell, little boy, you are the one mewling
	(And that's an excellent word for it; thank you). You seems
	distressed that your are not respected for your glorious
	wisdom. Yet you make no attepmt to earn credibility here.

>Also, it stimulates traffic on the group, doesn't it?

	It stimulates noise. Something that no newsgroup needs more
	of. Ben, you are the noise in the signal-noise ratio. 


		Now, to offer something useful to the group-


	If you out there are as tired of littleman Sansing's
	nonsensical blathering as I am, here is a solution-

	To add a person to one's kill file (At least if you 
	use 'rn';

	/ben.sansing@chaos/h:j

	Now, can we take this thing to alt.flame where it belongs, and
	get back to some intelligence here?


		-Karl


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 15:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.022807.20721@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mlotocky@s.psych.uiuc.edu (MA Lotocky) writes:
><hmmm, didn't see this posted yet, so I'm reposting...>
>
>Does anyone have any information regarding tattooing the
>feet?  I'm interested in having one or both feet tattooed,
>but when I was getting my last tattoo done on my ankle, the
>artist made the comment that they (the studio) didn't like
>to tattoo any lower down on the ankle than I was getting
>my tattoo, or on the feet, because "the skin is really
>different there and tattoos don't work out very well" (or
>something very similar to that).  So, has anyone received
>a foot tattoo?  Do they just age strangely or what?

i was also thinking of a tat for the top (instep) of my right foot.
i notice the skin is very thin, quite close to bone with lots of tendons 
also, since my feet are weird, my arch and instep being very high,
shoes arean awkward fit; any probs with lots of friction?
would it be better, say , to move up to the shin, or just above the ankle?
if my leg were shaved for a tat, would hair still grow there normally?
that would kinda look funny i htink.

>thanks.
>Melanie
too,
tim
From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: septum retainer
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:24:53 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Apr16.164906.3022@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>has anyone ever worn or known someone who's worn a septum retainer?

	Had one in my nose pretty much all the time for 1.5 years now.

>are they reasonably comfortable, easy to bend into a comfortable
>shape?

	They're not REALLY easy to bend, but they're workable.

	If you have a 14ga, they are pretty easy; I have a 12.

	Yes. It's comfortable. It drove me batshit crazy for the
	first week, but after that, I don't even know it's there.

> are they really completely out of sight, in normal conversation?

	My doctor doen't even notice it when he looks in my nose.


			-Karl


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From: fd0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Fleur Diana Dragan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing in pittsburgh?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:32:29 GMT
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


There is an associated piercer @ Slacker (in south side, next to the
beehive on South Carson) .  I talked to him and he seems about
experienced as you're gonna get around here.  Hes been piercing his
friends for a couple of years, and he just went "above ground" as he put
it.  Got a lawyer, the whole bit.

I talked to him about how he did it, cleanliness, etc.  Sounds okay,
jewelery is sterilized (i think he said pressure cooked, and I remember
reading here once that that was okay if you did it right)  the needles
are in sterile packaging, opens them in front of you, bends them after,
etc.

This is just my impression:
He's done a fair amount of above the waist (navel, nipple, nose, etc.)
piercings (fair for pittsburgh, mind you) and not much genital piercing.
 I asked for a recommendation and he was cool about it.  I talked to a
woman that he'd apparently done a lot of work on and she said he was
safe/okay/pretty competent, at least for the piercing I'm planning. 
Dunno about male genital piercings.

Hope this helps,
Fleur
fleur+@cmu.edu
From: wright@aiag.enet.dec.com (Clark M. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: temporary coverup of a tat
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: wright@aiag.enet.dec.com
Organization: Depravity Equipment Corporation




Stephanie - 

To cover the tattoo under the tights - use base, once the tattoo is healed,
it should not be a problem (comments, barbara?? karl???

The only problem with useing bandages of any sort is that they
will "lump" under the tights, this would be worse than the 
tattoo alone.

in most cases, you should be about 30' from the audience, while performing.
(assuming typical stage/theatre set up) if you are doing interactive theatre,
no one will notice your ankles anyway...

good luck,

grins,

clark.

ps - you seem to be posting things twice...
From: hayes@ultra.com (John Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AND WH
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:42:56 GMT
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

go away.

John.
-- 
John Wm. Hayes 						hayes@ultra.com  
UltraNetwork Technologies				(408)922-0100 x202
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: AFTERCARE
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:23:21 GMT

In article <AdvALgG00UhWI9PGwH@andrew.cmu.edu> ap32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Aimee Jessica Placas) writes:
>i had a tattoo done on my hip over 6 months ago, and parts of it are
>_still_ raised. (the design is made up mainly of solid black lines
>several milimeters thick).  am i scarred?  does anyone know if this will
>eventually go away?  (what if i get touch up work done on the lines, as
>i plan to do to even them out.  will that make it better or worse?)
>much appreciated.


The tattoos on my sides are raised.  I have now had them for almost 3 years.
They are actually rather amusing, in that sometimes they stand up a lot, and
other times, they are barely raised at all.  I don't let it alarm me, since
I have never had any real trouble with it. 

On the touch up question, I have had all of my tattoos touched up at one time
or another, and I cannot tell where the touched up sections end anymore.



Don't worry about it... The human body does some wierd things when you
put ink in it.  None of them seem to be harmful...




FWA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
>This is the first I've heard that alcohol has
>any effect on tats.  Has anyone else heard this
>or did it come from Mr.Sansing's demonstrated
>powers of agenda-free observation and deduction?

Excuse me, O Great and Mighty One, for disagreeing with your Divinely
Ordained Opinions from On High. I have been told, over the course of
time, by many tattoo artists that alcohol blurs tattoos. If you're drunk
when you have it done, it's end up blurred. Several artists I know
refuse to work on a drunk. If you drink heavily later on, it will blur.
I'll dig up some "official quotes" (probably using words like
"capillaries" and "pores" that they didn't teach you in remedial
drooling school) and post 'em. Of course, these tatoo artists, medical
professionals, and other folks of my acquaintence are undoubtedly liars,
and involved in a conspiratorial plot against you, because none of them
wear brass gee-gaws through holes in their tongues, nor do they go
around crowing about how Greg Parkinson is God.
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: tons o' tats questions
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:00:18 GMT

>3) i'd like to get a curling vine type tattoo that goes around my ankle like
>a bracelet....does anyone out there have one of these?  how much did it hurt?
>how long did it take?  how much did it cost?  where did you get it?  where
>did you come up with pattern from?

Mine doesn't go all the way around, just loops around and down on the outside
of the right ankle.  I had *heard* that ankles are supposed to be the most 
painful, heard all this pain bullshit from a lady with an ankle tattoo, 
watched the lady ahead of me at the tattoo parlor scream, cry, and turn pale 
all through hers.  I got mine.  So big deal.  I won't say it didn't hurt, but
on the 1-10 pain scale, I'd give it a 3.  Very strange sensation when they 
are working over the bone, though, sends vibrations all the way up your leg.
Took about 20 minutes, with full color and detail work.  (Sweet pea vine with
leaves, a peapod, and a flower.)  I designed it myself, and the apprentice 
at the shop made a stencil that adapted it to my ankle.  A good artist can 
suggest designs.  I've had a couple done right on my body, freehand fine-line.

Price varies with detail work, color, and the artist.  The larger the piece, 
the (relatively) cheaper it gets, I find.  Unless the guy works strictly by 
the hour.  (And the hourly rate varies MAJORLY.)  Be wary of any place that 
is TOO cheap, though.

>have sensitive skin..should i take some non aspirin thing before i have 
>the tattoo done? 

If you're worried about inflamation, don't take NONaspirin.  Take the real
thing.  The other stuff has no anti-inflammatory properties.  It just blocks
some kinds of pain.  (Post-tat pain is caused by inflamation.  During-tat 
pain is something you just live with.)  First stroke is the worst, and after 
that, your natural endorphins kick in.  I always feel absolutely giddy after
getting tattooed.

I've always wondered if "sensitive skin" really just means "low pain 
threshhold," in some senses.  "Sensitive" to what?  Soap?  Sunlight?  Poison 
ivy?  Or do you really mean "It hurts when I damage it"?  Well, it hurts when
all of us get tattooed.  Some of us just cope with the pain better, or 
differently, from others.  Your mileage may vary.

  --Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: BORING EAR PIERCING Q
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Net.Rhino) writes
>        Ben, you're and idiot. Go away and leave us alone.
                     ^^^

Karl, you can't spell for shit, and you take everything TOO SERIOUSLY.
Get a life.
                    
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble)
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:58:45 GMT

In article <ku77q2INN9dj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>    How is your attitude different than the born-again Christian who
>really feels sorry for you not being saved?  Isn't life without Christ
>somehow empty?

If you are not trying to start a fight about this, please don't use  
loaded phrases like "born-again Christian."  Like "PC," this is a usage
meant for nothing but to antagonize.  It doesn't really bother me, but the
fact that you used it says you're spoiling for a fight.  If this is the 
case,  1.) note followups to alt.flame  2.) go fuck yourself.

>    Who are you to decide that something is right for everyone and feel
>sorry for them when they don't get or have it?

Thanks for this gem of self-righteous assholery.  If you had read my post 
(or, alternately, if you had the slightest clue) you would know that I said
nothing about what is "right for everyone."  I said that FOR ME facing and 
dealing with pain is an important part of the piercing process and from 
that point of view people who avoid the pain are missing something 
possibly meaningful.  I feel sorry for people who miss that.  I also feel 
sorry for friends who have died, perhaps because of my bigoted notion that 
good health is positive.  I won't apologize for this.

In case you only read the last line of this post (as apparently happened
with the last one) I'll restate the important point so that you won't 
miss it:

Fuck off.

>-wat-

Bill


Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: jlevitt@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mortiana)
Subject: chest tattoos...
Summary: how badly do they hurt?
Keywords: chest tattoos
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:11:06 GMT

I just got a temporarty tattoo on my chest, above the breast and below the
shoulder. It looks very good and I am considering getting it done permanantly.
*shudders*(even though i am afraid of needles). What I want to know is, how long
does it take to heal and how badly does it really hurt? (pain i'm not afraid of)I have never received a permanent tattoo before and would like to know as much
about it as possible before I have it done.

Thanks in advance.
Mortiana
a.k.a. Opal
From: em39+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Henry McCoy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: re: nipple piercing question.
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:59:26 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Aimee Placas asks:
this is probably an oft asked question, but i need to know.  if i get my
nipples pierced, will it effect breastfeeding in the future?  i realise
that nipples are really porous and one hole running through it won't
effect much, but what about scar tissue?  i'm still doubtful, and want
to be sure before i do anything i'll regret years down the line.   if
anyone knows (_especially_ anyone with pierced nipples who has breastfed
or couldn't breastfeed because of it), could you please inform me? 
thanks much.

 
Yes, it is an oft asked question.


	-Edd McCoy
	Cultural Terrorist Extrordinaire.
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: glow in the dark?
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:23:31 GMT
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

>FWA
>-trying to fool Karl's wife with his Batman impersonation....

Baby, you can come on over and fool me *anytime*!

-Barb
-hoping FWA's antics will include vibrators and stockings with seams...


:wq
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: AFTERCARE
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet) writes...
>Also I've found that a whip applied to tattooed skin produces a
>different appearance than when applied to adjacent non-tattooed
>skin. It appears to cause the tattooed skin to welt up all over
>again.

How about a baseball bat? ;-<>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
From: buck.nekkid@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Buck Nekkid) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: buck.nekkid@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Buck Nekkid) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

Jeff Sumler writes to Ben (Wave?)
JS>Since (presumably) anyone who reads and/or posts in this newsgroup
JS>is quite interested in tatooing, piercing, scarification, etc.,
JS>we can probably assume that they are well aware of the dangers
JS>involved in unsafe piercing. To put it more bluntly, we already
JS>know about the possible consequences of a bad penis pierce (to
JS>refer to your statement above) etc. Likewise anyone involved
JS>in "bodyart" is, by necessity, intimately familiar with the
vicissitudes
JS>of scar tissue. I am being clear ??

Hey, man, I dunno the dangers. What dangers? I'm new here, man. My girl
friend's got a bunch of those piercing thing... in her nipples and other
areas, and I did most of them myself. I've got some, too, and I did them
myself, or she did them, and except for a little pus and some ocasional
festering in some of them it's okay.
                   
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