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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:44:29 -0700
From:         Dave Waller <dave@HPDSM0B.PTP.HP.COM>
Subject:      I am on vacation

I will be out of the office on vacation Wednesday July 22, through Friday
July 24, returning to the office on Monday July 27.

A copy of your electronic mail message has been saved in my mailbox. I
will review your message and respond as soon as possible after my return
on the 27th.

If you have an urgent matter that must be attended to before the 27th,
please contact Bill Zaslove at (408) 746-5165, or send him email at
billz@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com.

Dave
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:03:00 EDT
From:         Eric Holmquist <HOLMQER@HSDWL.UTC.COM>
Subject:      Re: divers knifes & customs

>I was planning to buy a divers knife, but I was wondering whether
>this causes any problems with customs on airports ?
>
>I know they can really get nasty if they see anything larger than
>a boyscouts knife B-)

Customs usually does not mind big knives, its airport security that gets
nasty.  When I travel to the Caribbean, my 20cm dive knife is in the
suitcase, and everything else is carry on.  As long as the destination
country has no problem with a diver possessing a large knife, customs
will leave you alone.  You must be very carefull to put the knife in checked
baggage.

Eric Holmquist
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:30:30 -0400
From:         geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      Erroneous destination - sorry.

Sorry about the four erroneous postings to scuba-l this morning.  I
had of course intended them for listserv.

BTW, perhaps someone can tell me about setting up to get some sort
of acknowledgement back from the listserver when I post.  Right now
it is open-loop:  my messages never get retransmitted to my address.
I tried sending "SET scuba-l ack= yes" and got back "ack= command
has been cancelled".
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:00:33 PDT
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From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      halibut diving in Tomales Bay, CA

Gee, can you take out a policy at this late date? Do you need someone
to leave the loot to? :) Tim Chase Computer Operator Specialist
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I would like to go scuba diving in Tomales Bay, with the idea of
hunting for a few halibut. Is there anyone else in the SF Bay Area
who would also like to partake in such fun :-). Sharks don't overly
concearn me, but none of my usual buddies will dive with me at this
spot, for fear of encountering the dreaded great white shark! Not
being too much crazier than the next guy, I have not gone by myself
to this spot yet. So, please, if there is anyone who is feeling
hungry for some halibut, and brave enough to dive in supposedly shark
inhabited waters, let me know, and let's get wet!

-Andy Hertz-

ANDY@cis.santaroso.edu
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:31:06 PST
From:         ANDY@CIS.SANTAROSA.EDU
Subject:      halibut diving in Tomales Bay, CA

I would like to go scuba diving in Tomales Bay, with the idea of
hunting for a few halibut. Is there anyone else in the SF Bay Area
who would also like to partake in such fun :-). Sharks don't overly
concearn me, but none of my usual buddies will dive with me at this
spot, for fear of encountering the dreaded great white shark! Not
being too much crazier than the next guy, I have not gone by myself
to this spot yet. So, please, if there is anyone who is feeling
hungry for some halibut, and brave enough to dive in supposedly shark
inhabited waters, let me know, and let's get wet!

-Andy Hertz-

ANDY@cis.santaroso.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:02:51 -0400
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Subject:      GET scuba-l log9008

GET scuba-l log9008
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:31:26 -0400
From:         geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      A Delphi Deal

If anyone is interested in taking a really cheap chance on some
Orca Delphi computers, there is an add in this month's U/W USA for
the following:

     Delphi (metric)   $75
     Delphi (US)      $125
     Delphi Pro (US)  $195

The price on the metrics is so good I bought two.  I do not think I
will have any particular trouble keeping track of depth in meters
and pressure in bars.  Call the outlet at (215) 429-4917 (in PA)
for more info.

Be aware that there is probably no valid warranty on any of these,
as I believe that EIT, who bought the rights to the old Orca name
and product line, has washed their hands of the reliability problems
of the Delphis.  Does anyone have any Delphi stories to tell.  My
serial numbers are in the 17500's - are these early or later models?
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:44:28 -0400
From:         geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      posting acknowledgement

Thanks for all of the suggestions on how to get message posting
acknowledgement.  I finally figured out I was making a syntax error.
The correct command is SET scuba-l ack (no = sign).  As usual, I was
trying too hard.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:15:57 EDT
From:         lmendlow@TECNET1.JCTE.JCS.MIL
Subject: [ANS] bars vs psi

Mike,

For all normal work, a BAR is 1 ATMOSPHERE, therefore 1 bar = 14.7psi.

Best Wishes,
Larry Mendlow
LMENDLOW@TECNET1.JCTE.JCS.MIL
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:42:40 PDT
From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      dive trip to Oregon coast

Hi folks, we are planning a trip to the coast in about two weeks.
We have a nice inflatable boat to use, so we do not have to play
Green Beret to get to the best places to dive. Interested? e-mail
me and we can see what we can do.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:27:00 N
From:         EDP ENEL CRTN-MI <PW6MIIY1@ICINECA2.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bars vs psi

        Bars, Atm (atmospheres) and Kg/cm2 are used in Europe for tank
        pressure. They are almost equivalent:

        1 Atm = 1.013 Bars
        1 Kg/cm2 = 1.03 Bars

        I hope we will use Pa (Pascal) in the early future instead of them:

        1 Bar = 10000 Pa or 10 KPa

        Bar is 14.5 psi, so 3000 psi are about 207 Bars. We usually have
        tanks with 200 or 220 Bars, rarely 250.

                                                        Giorgio CECCATO
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:35:00 EDT
From:         "Tony.Kuhlman" <ADP64@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      diving in canada

Thank yous are due to Doug Hook and Anthony DeBoer for setting me straight on
Canadian tax policy and equipment.  I shouldn't have spoken when I didn't have
complete information on the topic.  And I agree - Tobermory has some wonderful
diving!
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:46:00 EDT
From:         BARNETTJ@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: uw-cameras

I am taking a trip to the keys....and suggestions on what brand
of throw away to use and what the maximum depth for these cameras is?
Jordan Barnett
BarnettJ@snysyrv1.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:53:30 +0200
From:         Han Weegink <weegink@ICT.NL>
Subject:      uw-cameras

>In article <1992Jul17.030110.18641@scifi.uucp>, njs@scifi.uucp
>(Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul15.092936@is.morgan.com> scairns@is.morgan.com
>>(Scott Cairns) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul15.122057.11732@scifi.uucp>, njs@scifi.uucp
>>(Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
>>> If you have several grand (about 5, including flash) to drop, the new
>>> Nikonos VI is probably your best bet.  It has autofocus, auto
>>> exposure, auto flash, auto auto, and it even has a mode where it takes
>>> the picture as soon as the fish swims into focus.
>>>
>>
>>Really?  It does all that?  Does it dive for me too?  Could I just drop
>>it in the water, hang out on the dive boat drinking rum punches, wait
>>for the camera to surface then develop the film?  Sounds great!  :-)
>
>Film?  You don't need film.  The camera enjoys the pictures for you too.
>
>Seriously though, $5K?  Ouch...
>
>Besides, after buying the camera, you can't afford any folm, much less
>getting it developed.

After investing $5k, I haven't got the bucks left to go diving at all.
But maybe this camera is smart enough I can send it on a diving trip on its
own and just wait at home for the results ...

Nah, just give me a PhD (push here dummy (I forgot who invented this one,
but credits to him 0-)) camera, and the cheaper the better since I'm not a
professional photographer but merely using it for fun.

BTW, does anyone have experience with these throw-away-type-of-uw-cameras ?

Thanks in advance for your reply,

Han Weegink

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:59:26 PDT
From:         Dave Waller <dave@HPDSM0B.PTP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Coral death in the Turks
              29 Jul 92 11:27:00 PDT." <9207291541.AA25553@relay.hp.com>

Bob Ling writes:

> >  I was paging through some of the recent scuba-l files and came
> >  across a nice piece on diving the Turks & Caicos on the Sea Dancer
> >  (7 June, by Large Nassau Grouper Reef Fish, also known as Bob). I
> >  too have recently dived this area and would like to comment further
> >  on the coral destruction I observed, apparently similar to what
> >  this earlier piece describes.
>
> On a later post (29 Jun ?) after my return trip there on the T&C Aggressor,
> I surmised that the destruction was caused by SAND (carried by daily tides)
> of the shallow sand flat (hundreds of sq. miles of it) on which the T&C
> islands are situated.

Bob, can you elaborate on this a bit? I'm curious as to what, based on your
observations, might be the cause of this. Has there been a significant shift
in currents? Is it some sort of El Nino-like effect? This sounds alarming, and
since another friend and I are planning a trip to T&C next summer, I am
keenly interested.

BTW, big kudos for some excellent trip reports you have been posting lately.
Did you win the lottery or something? I'd sure love to be traveling on a dive
vacation every month or so :-)

Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:47:55 +0200
From:         Han Weegink <weegink@ICT.NL>
Subject:      divers knifes & customs

I was planning to buy a divers knife, but I was wondering whether
this causes any problems with customs on airports ?

I know they can really get nasty if they see anything larger than
a boyscouts knife B-)

Thanks in advance for your reply,

Han Weegink
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:40:42 -0400
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From:         Steve Frampton <frampton@VICUNA.OCUNIX.ON.CA>
Subject:      equipment evaluation

NEVILLE CARVALHO <qucis!PSUORVM.BITNET!A3NC> writes:

> New on the scene. Know of any publication the evaluates and grades scuba
> equipment in an independent manner i.e. not advertiser influenced. I am
> given to understand that equipment in the U.S. does not have to meet any
> minimun safety standards,i.e. UL for electrical goods, concequently no
> standards mark.While on this subject what is the situation regarding
> standards in europe and elsewhere.

I can't think of a better place to ask questions than right here on the
Scuba List.

Just an opinion...

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frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
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From:         Rob Simpson <robs@CHARLES-CROSS.POLY-SOUTH-WEST.AC.UK>
Subject:      Tampons and diving

Are there any noted contra-indications re. diving with tampons (in a wet-suit).

(posted for a friend! :-)

Rob Simpson (Plymouth England)
From: RFLNG@CLEMSON.BITNET (Large Nassau Grouper Reef Fish)
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Subject: Re: Coral death in the Turks
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:15:00 GMT
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On the devastation of some reefs in Turks & Caicos, I wrote

> On a later post (29 Jun ?) after my return trip there on the T&C Aggressor,
> I surmised that the destruction was caused by SAND (carried by daily tides)
> of the shallow sand flat (hundreds of sq. miles of it) on which the T&C
> islands are situated.

Dave Waller <dave@HPDSM0B.PTP.HP.COM> asks

> Bob, can you elaborate on this a bit? I'm curious as to what, based on your
> observations, might be the cause of this. Has there been a significant shift
> in currents? Is it some sort of El Nino-like effect? This sounds alarming,
> and since another friend and I are planning a trip to T&C next summer, I am
> keenly interested.

The "sand flat" theory was my conjecture, based on what I saw, and what I
inferred from the geographical features of T&K in the books about T&C I read
while on the T&K Aggressor.  The major clue was the massive amount of SAND
covering many shallow reefs (or what's left of them) and the miles of shallow
sand bottom between islands and dive sites.  Since there hadn't been any
major storm there recently ... and I saw no other immediately apparent
plausible reasons ... the "sand flat/tide" theory stood out.

I don't think (at least I haven't read or heard) that there had been any
significant shift in currents there, nor that El Nino had anything to do
with it.

> BTW, big kudos for some excellent trip reports you have been posting lately.

Thanks.  Much easier and more fun to write such reports (and read others')
than arguing about esoteric diving theory.  :-)

> Did you win the lottery or something? I'd sure love to be traveling on a
> dive vacation every month or so :-)

Lottery?  I can't think of a WORSE gamble if you try to cash in on LUCK.
Let's just say wise AND lucky investments helped.   No follow-up on this
line of inquiry please.   And no, I don't own a green-paper printing press
nor engage in any other comparable adventures.  ;-)

Back to the Turks & Caicos reefs.  Perhaps they had been that way for a LONG
time (thousands of years) and that's how the shallow sand flats came to be in
the first place (this is a higher-order speculation).  But you don't go there
to dive shallow -- it's the vertical walls that drop to the abyss and the
large pelagics there that offer the best dives.  A few dead-looking shallows
didn't spoil my trips there ... so unless you're in search of a perfect
paradise, you take on the BEST natures has to offer and overlook the worst
-- that's probably not a bad philosophy to view all dive sites anyway, unless
one knows for sure that the bad are created by human follies, and that they
are otherwise preventable or reversible.

-- Bob.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:16:31 -0400
From:         "LINDA M. FERMO" <FERMO@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      Moorea & Bora Bora Islands

Hi


Having falling in love with Scuba on our first dive in Aruba.  My
Fiance and I would like to make it a part of or Honeymoon trip.

We are thinking of going to Moorea, Bora Bora and Dunk Island.

Can anyone tell me anything abort these Islands? Being novices to the
sport can anyone tell me how to go about getting some references?

Also, how does a person choose snorkeling equipment?



Thanks
Linda Fermo
Fermo@aesop.rutgers.edu
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From:         MSDGAB@HOFSTRA.BITNET
Subject:      RE:UW-Cameras

My buddy and I use the Kodak disposable camera with the flash.  This model
is not waterproof, so we put it in an Ikelite Housing made for these cameras.
Here in NY, the vis is not all that great, so the pictures are so so.  The
biggest problem is the flash reflecting off debris in the water.  However,
in the Fla. Keys and in Cozumel, we got some really nice results.   We took
the camera (in housing !!) down to 100'.
Ikelite has also come out with attachments, a strobe and macro lens, for
the housing.  I have not tried the attachments (but anyone who has, I'd
appreciate some input).
For the price, $69.95 US for the housing and approx $13.00 for the cameras,
this is a nice investment for those who take pictures for fun.

                                                   -- Gina --
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Subject:      Re: divers knifes & customs

Massachusetts has a law against knives that have sharpened edges on both
sides of the blade.  Even a small knife will get you into a lot of hot water
here if it is sharpened on both sides.
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From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Test-sorry!

 This is a test for my co-worker's account to see if he is getting
mail from this list.

But, anyone gone diving on one of the boats in the Puget Sound in
Washington State? How much? Ect....

Tim Chase Computer Operator Specialist
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:52:50 EST
From:         JEFF WALL <wall@HEL4.BRL.MIL>
Subject:      A Delphi Deal

What is the difference between the Delphi (US) and the Delphi Pro??

At these prices I can almost justify buying them without the warranty.

Jeff Wall
wall@hel4.brl.mil
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:13:00 EDT
From:         Eric Holmquist <HOLMQER@HSDWL.UTC.COM>
Subject:      Re: divers knifes & customs

> Is that because Ted Kennedy does no like scuba divers?

Ted Kennedy is a SCUBA Instructor.  I have seen his picture on the walls of
several Caribean dive shops.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:37:19 PST
From:         ANDY@CIS.SANTAROSA.EDU
Subject:      halibut diving in Tomales Bay, CA

I would like to go halibut hunting in Tomales Bay, CA. Has anyone had
any experience diving at this location? None of my "normal" buddies
are willing to try diving there with me, due to the site's reputation
for being inhabited by great white sharks -(^--<  Any comments would
be appreciated. I would also like to find someone who would like to
go diving at Tomales during the next month or so.

-Andy Hertz-
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:27:00 ADT
From:         jaberback@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
Subject:      scuba info on Thailand or Tobago

Okay, I can't decide where to go on an upcoming vacation. I have three
weeks off so distance won't be a problem. Has anybody on the scuba list
gone diving in Thailand (particularly the Pee-Pee Islands or the Puquet
(sp?) Islands? The other choice is Tobago. Obviously if I'm diving for that
length of time, the food and accommodations have to be really cheap,
because the airfare and diving costs will eat up most of my vacation money.
I'm open to any suggestions. Thanks.

--Joy
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Saint Mary's University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Subject: Signoff
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:52:04 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University



Please signoff Eric Breaux from travel-l

Thanks!
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:17:03 -0500
From:         vanpatte@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Language Learning Journal

I believe that Dick Schmidt's work on his learning of Portuguese was
published in the book TALKING TO LEARN edited by Richard Day (1986 Newbury
House).
______________________________________________
Bill VanPatten
Department of Spanish, Italian & Portuguese
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