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From: jerdman@evans.den.mmc.com (Joe Erdman)
Subject: Re: WEEKLY TOP 25
Organization: MMAG
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.060018.24902@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito) writes:
> 
> 
>       -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----
> 
> THIS LAST
> WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Last Week's Results          Next Game
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  1    2  Washington    3 0 0  -IDLE-                       v. SouthernCal,10/3
>  2    1  Miami         3 0 0  WON v. Arizona, 8-7          v. Florida St, 10/3
>  3    3  Florida St    4 0 0  WON v. Wake Forest, 35-7     at Miami, 10/3
>  4    4  Michigan      2 0 1  WON v. Houston, 61-7         v. Iowa, 10/3
>  5    5  Texas A&M     4 0 0  -IDLE-                       v. Texas Tech, 10/3
>  6    6  Notre Dame    3 0 1  WON v. Purdue, 48-0          v. Stanford, 10/3
>  7    8  Tennessee     4 0 0  WON v. Cincinnati, 40-0      at LSU, 10/3
>  8    9  Penn State    4 0 0  WON v. Maryland, 49-13       at Rutgers, 10/3
>  9    7  Alabama       4 0 0  WON v. Louisiana T.,13-0     v. S. Carolina,10/3
> 10   10  Colorado      4 0 0  WON v. Iowa, 28-12           at Missouri, 10/8
> 11   11  UCLA          3 0 0  WON v. SanDiego St.,35-7     at Arizona, 10/3
> 12   12  Ohio State    3 0 0  -IDLE-                       at Wisconsin, 10/3
> 13   13  Florida       1 1 0  -IDLE-                       at Miss. State,10/1
> 14   14  Virginia      4 0 0  WON at Duke, 55-28           at Wake Forest,10/3
> 15   15  Nebraska      3 1 0  WON v. Arizona St., 45-24    v. OklahomaSt,10/10
> 16   18  Georgia       3 1 0  WON at Mississippi, 37-11    at Arkansas, 10/3
> 17   17  Syracuse      2 1 0  -IDLE-                       at Louisville, 10/3
> 18   19  Stanford      3 1 0  WON v. San Jose St., 37-13   at Notre Dame, 10/3
> 19   20  Oklahoma      2 1 0  -IDLE-                       v. Iowa St., 10/3
> 20   22  Southern Cal  1 0 1  -IDLE-                       at Washington, 10/3
> 21   23  NC State      4 1 0  WON at N.Carolina, 27-20     at GeorgiaTech,10/3
> 22   25  Boston Coll   4 0 0  WON v. Michigan St., 14-0    at W.Virginia,10/10
> 23   --  Georgia Tech  2 1 0  WON v. Clemson, 20-16        v. NC State, 10/3
> 24   --  Miss. State   2 1 0  -IDLE-                       v. Florida, 10/1
> 25   16  Clemson       1 2 0  LOST at GeorgiaTech,20-16    v. UT-Chatt., 10/3
> 
>    Last week's casualties...
> 
> LAST
> WEEK  SCHOOL       W L T  Last Game                   Next Game
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  21  San Diego St  1 1 1  LOST at UCLA, 35-7               at New Mexico, 10/3
>  24  Kansas        3 1 0  LOST v. California, 27-23        v. Kansas St, 10/10
> 
It is about time the rankings voted in a half way decent manner.  After next
weekend, Miami will be ranked even lower.  I hope FSU slaughters them!

Erdy
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami (one more opinion)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:38:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct2.163859.16068
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Organization: The Ohio State University

Robert Jones writes:

>Also, I thought Lou Holtz and Bobby Bowden were pretty good buddies.
>I think most ND fans respect Florida Sate.

They should be well aquainted.  Skip Holtz (Lou's son and current assistant 
coach) was given his first assistant coaching possition by Bobby Bowden at 
Florida State.

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
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From: morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 9-28-92
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:44:44 GMT


A question on your ratings: when you compute a team's opponent's
W-L-T, do you recognize head-to-head games among the opponents?
(I'm assuming you discard the actual game against the team in
question.)

In other words, if team A (5-0) beat teams B(4-1) and C(3-2),
and team B beat C, is A's opponent's W-L-T

a) 7-3  (straight addition--bad)
b) 7-1  (discard games with A--better)
c) 6-0  (also discard game between B and C)

(This should probably go off-line, but e-mail to you bounced.)

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Miss. State QB update
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:57:28 GMT

In article <dkm2.718336441@Isis.MsState.Edu>, dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
> Today's Clairon-Ledger reported that high school All-American Rodney Hudson
> will be State's #3 quarterback.  Hudson will begin practicing with the varsity 
> should something happen to Greg Plump or Todd Jordan.   
> 
> Quoting Jackie Sherrill "We're going to look at Rodney because Rondey's an 
> option Quarterback". 
> 
> Hudson was the Atlanta ournal/Constitution Georgia player of the year and led
> LaGrange, GA high to the USA Today national championship.  He threw for 21
> touchdowns and ran for 16 as a senior.
> 
> I don't see Jackie using Jordan as #2 QB.  Let's face it, if you lose Jordan
> playing QB, you have also lost the SEC's #1 punter.  Also, Jordan is a throwing
> QB, not an option QB.  Since the offense was built around Sleepy & the option
> , we better stick with it.

Then again, King Jackie might not want to use Hudson unless he absolutely
has to.  The season is nearly half over.  You'd hate to blow a year of
Hudson's eligibility if it could be avoided.  I would want to save a blue
chipper like Hudson for four full years (starting next year).

If Auburn's defense plays like it did against Vandy (ie: tough), Hudson
might end up playing.  Then again, if AU's defense plays like it did
against Ole Miss (LOUSY), it won't matter who is the MS qb, the Bulldogs
will probably win.

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Keywords: next year...
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:52:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>Of course, noone here in good old Tally would dare
>say a harsh word against Bobby. Ya see, he is of the old "southern gentleman"
>mold...and people of the south have a hard time knocking a guy who is so damn
>friendly, honest, and philanthropic as Bowden...even if he is a loser. I, on
>the other hand, was born and raised in the North (NY) and have no such 
>problem with ragging on him...in fact, I rather enjoy it. It's not like there
>is anything else to do here in Tallahassee...not like celebrating a national
>championship or anything liek that...no.

How about practicing your typing:  liek, ilke, keil...like!!!

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Cal 42, Oregon St. 0
Date: 4 Oct 1992 05:48:07 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
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The only thing missing from this game (surprisingly) was a lack of a strong
running game on the part of California's Russell White.  I think White
only had 75 yards on the day.  However, White was pulled out of the game
in the third quarter because the Bears were leading by so much.  On the
one hand, it's a nice thing to do to the opposing team.  However, it 
hurts his Heisman chances.  I guess they're seeing the inevitability
of Faulk winning the Heisman because San Diego State plays in the 
non-defense WAC.

Can someone please give an answer as to why Oregon State plays the wishbone
and hardly ever passes?  What does coach Pettibone give as his reason
for not developing the passing game?  

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley

--by the way I am still very amused by the story from '91 of the Oregon State
practice the day before their season-ending game against Oregon, called
"The Civil War."  Apparently the Oregon State players, very much the
underdogs, practiced carrying each other off the field in a victory
celebration.  And the very next day, Oregon State (0-10) went on to
beat Oregon quite handily.
From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UNI Stomps on ISU
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:16:09 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> |> 	I would just like to congratulate the Northern Iowa Panthers on
> |> defeating Iowa State.  The Panthers are a Division I-AA (Currently ranked #4
> |> in the nation) school that had only beat Iowa State once, in 1900.  It was
> |> a fine show by UNI, and makes ISU a distant #3 in the state of Iowa.
> |> (1. Iowa, 2 UNI 3. ISU).  Good luck panthers!!!!!!!
> 
>     Judging from Iowa's 1-3 (1-4) start, some folks at UNI might take issue
>     with this analysis.

Speaking as a "UNI folk", I definitely would.  This year, anyway.  Seems to me
that when UNI and ISU renewed the "series", Iowa was content to play Northern
Illinois as their patsy.  Some claimed that Hayden was afraid to get beat -
though the Hawks were for real at the time.  Perhaps the head Hawk was using
foresight...

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Jim Bohy                                        | "...I mean, in some ways,
Graduate Student - Computer Science Education   |  chasing the beast is easier
University of Northern Iowa                     |  than living with people..."
Cedar Falls, IA  50614                          | 
bohy@att1.uni.edu                               |  - King Pellinore
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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hawaii ranking
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:12:08 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.173016.16677@news.Hawaii.Edu> bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:

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>   The New York Times ranked HAWAII #7 in college FootBall.  But then,
>   what does the Times know of football.   :-)

>Yea, right BYU is 1 and 3 and they still had to give to game away for Hawaii to win.
>It says something about the quality of the New York Times algorithm.
Although your point about Hawaii not being #7 and BYU not being a good team 
(at least for the present) is something I agree with, BYU's 1-3 record is
somewhat misleading.  Those three losses were all by less than 7 points, with
BYU having at least a chance to win each game.  San Diego St and UCLA are (or
were) ranked, and Hawaii is a good team, even if they aren't #7.
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Virginia Football
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:29:47 GMT

In article <19824@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <BvHs0p.5p4@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>}} 
>}} Also, Goodman was pulled when it was 48-0 and he sent
>}} in Symion Willis.
>
>Um, isn't 48-0 a little late to avoid running up the score?
>

OK, so when do you pull your starters? If the game gets out of hand
quickly, do you set them down and miss letting them get valuable game
experience? Welsh also agreed that it's a tough call and said maybe
he should have pulled Goodman when it was, say 41-0. But, he felt that
the offense needed the work. Especially given the fact that they
were also committing a lot of errors.


-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: PSU-Miami
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:16:44 GMT

In article <92273.114622JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu>, John Johnson <JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> I'm not gonna claim a Penn State victory yet, but are there any other Lions
> out there whose mouths watered when they saw Miami's rushing yardage for their
> Arizona game?  Also, after last year's start at Penn State, it's nice to see
> someone else having offensive line problems :)

With the way Boston College has been playing, I just hope the Lions
aren't looking past Miami to BC:-).


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: tbreeden@afit.af.mil (Thomas A. Breeden)
Subject: Re: Gators Woof and Whiff
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.172822.12144@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.130442.18968@athena.mit.edu> tafrakes@athena.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.133450.181@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
>>
>>|> >I'm all for "us" being on Bourbon Street January first, but how?
>>|> >Here are the only two scenarios I can think of:
>>|> >
>>|> >   1.  The SEC gives tickets to SEC teams that are off that day.
>>|> >   2.  The Gators go as the "other" team, say, to face-off with
>>|> >       Alabama.  "We" have gone to the Sugar Bowl as the other
>>|> >       team in the past.
>>|> >
>>|> >Andy
>>|> >
>>|> >Go Gators, blah blah,...
>>|> >
>>|> >
>>|> 
>>|> Andy,
>>|> 
>>|> I think you had better hope for plan 1 because I think UT and the rain 
>>|> eliminated plan 2 from your senario. :-)
>>|> 
>>|> Go Vols....
>>|> 
>>|> Dale
>>
>>I think plenty of teams with one loss (even more!) have gone to the
>>Sugar Bowl in the past.  Look how many losses last year's "other" team
>>had, for instance.
>>
>>-- 
>>T. Andy Frakes (tafrakes@athena.mit.edu)
>>   "Give a difficult task to a lazy person and he'll find an
>>    easy way to do it." -- perhaps Bartlett knows who said this,
>>    but I'm too lazy to ask him.
>
>
>But if UT and UF end with a tie of one loss each, tiebreaker to UT.
>
>Dale
>

Yes, Dale, that's why I said they could go as the "other" team.  That
is, the non-SEC champion team.  Of course this could only happen if
Alabama goes as the SEC champ, because Florida doesn't see Alabama
in the regular season.

Better yet, Florida makes it to a January 1 bowl game, but a bowl
where there is good ole' natural grass!!

Andy

P.S.  I'd love to see the Gators play the 'Canes in a bowl in Florida.
Of course, the Gators will have to be worthy.  They came back strong
after early road losses the past two seasons.  I believe they will
again this year.

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From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Washington 17 USC 12+ ?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:14:32 GMT

In article <lwcpksc@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
>In article <BvM0so.EJ4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
>>exuwry@exu.ericsson.se (William Ryan) writes:
>>
>>>On the Washington interception in the endzone that killed the
>>>Trojans, I noticed that the Washington player never put his knee
>>>down in the endzone to cause a touchback.  He intercepted the pass
>>>and ran off the field out of the endzone with his teammates. 
>>
>>>The Washington player never touching
>>>his knee to the turf!  The ESPN replay cut it off when the player was
>>>about 2 yards from the sideline, but I don't think there could have
>>>been anyway that his knee touched.
>>
>>bill,
>>   It's only a safety if the player takes the ball into the end
>>   zone under his own power.  In this case he caught the ball in the
>>   end zone and never came out.  It doesn't matter how he goes down.  If
>>   he touches his knee, is tackled, runs out of bounds, or is pushed
>>   out, it is a touchback.  This is something I hear a lot, usually when
>>   a player gets an interception or kickoff in the end zone, starts to
>>   run out, and is tackled.  This is not a safety. It is a touchback.
>>   Just as long as he never comes out of the end zone.
>>
>>   Neff
>>
>
>Well that is the problem...he DID run out of the end zone under his own
>power.  After the interception the celebrated and then left the end zone
>and ran out of bounds at around the 5 yard line.  Since he never make an
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
>attempt to down the ball...and didnt run out of bounds in the end zone
>I think the play should still be alive.  I think maybe that the ref blew
>his whistle too early and killed the play.

  He did run out of bounds while he was in the endzone.  I saw the replay 
today.  The problem is, he flicked the ball to the official, before exiting
the endzone.  I still don't know whether the whistle was blown or not!!

>-Eric (the question is moot) Jaderlund
> jade@triton.unm.edu

With regards,

-Behzad
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:34:50 EDT
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!

     O.K. my beautiful Washington vs. Penn State scenario was shot to hell
     when the stupid Bruins lost to a surprising Arizona, but have no fear
     I have a new, and still somewhat believable, scenario...

       - Penn State goes undefeated. (still the most important part) :)

       -Washington loses a game (Stanford looks real good and Arizona seems
        to be better than anyone thinks. I'm sorry but I think Washington
        is overated)

       Actually that's it! Pretty simple, huh? Now before you start whining
       let me clear up the teams ahead of us....

       Tennesee and Alabama - I guess they'll play each other, so at least
       one of them won't be undefeated. Georgia is lookin good, and I can't
       see either one of these teams going undefeated, and even if they do
       who cares, we're already ahead of them in USA/CNN poll.

       Texas A&M - Do they play ANYBODY who's even remotely good? Yeah, I know
       they beat Stanford, but I'm still hardly impressed.  I'd like to see a
       Penn State - Texas A&M matchup.  We're only a few points behind A&M
       now, (when) we beat Miami we'll jump ahead of them.  And even if they
       go undefeated too, again who cares?

       Michigan - Ah, if they go undefeated people will care.  They have a
       schedule about as good as State's (but certainly not better), although
       that tie with ND is gonna hurt if Penn State beats them at Notre Dame.
       Even with a Michigan win in the Rose Bowl, I see Penn State with a
       piece of the MNC at least.

       O.K. try that on for size......and now some Nittany woofing ....


       Face it 'cane fans its all over.  You barely escaped Arizona & got
       lucky with Florida State (again).  With Medearis out O.J. is gonna
       run wild.  The Orange bowl is cozy compared to 98,000 drunk Penn
       State maniacs in Beaver Stadium.  Hell, the crowd could top 100,000
       depending how much they oversell the game.  It was close last year.
       We're better, you're worse....welcome to the Lions Den!
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                                         1991 National League Champions!!

  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu

 "Who cares about grades? Who cares about life? Who cares about me?....
  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:01:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.190737.25340@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu  
(Kevin Delgado) writes:
> 
> What the hell? Did "Saint Bobby" suddenly find out he is a distant relative
> of Lou Holtz? I mean, come on! A field goal?! With our kickers?! What gives
> with this nonsense? The clock was stopped with eight ticks to go. Anyone
> with at least one brain cell would call a play and try for the win.

I'd be glad to see you post estimated percentages of going for the win.
I'm sure FSU would be more in the hunt for the mythical N.C. with a 
tie than a loss, you'd have to agree.  Especially a tie on the road.  
If the game had been tied, and he'd tried a draw play rather than a
pass downfield with the clock expiring, then I'd agree with you.  It
was the percentage play.

> Bowden has got to be the limpest dick of all
> coaches in division 1A football.

We'll let you have Barry Wilson for a season or two.

--
* "In 27 years of marriage, Todd never noticed Marie's tentacle" *
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:32:53 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Band censorship (was: Re: Stanford banned again)
Distribution: usa
 <randall.717701959@seashore> <1992Sep30.200732.18848@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <randall.717959221@seashore>

In article <randall.717959221@seashore>, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
says:

>I truly dislike the Stanford Band, but I dislike censorship even more.

If the Stanford band is going to hurt the image of the university as a whole,
then the university has a right to take steps to make sure that that doesn't
happen.  Though I can't imagine what any sane marching band would attempt to
do that would require censoring...  (that tale I hear about pissing on the
field was, I'm sure, a spontaneous addition to the field drill :)

>So, as much as I dislike the LSJUMB, I must agree with the
>previous post.  The Stanford AD has no business censoring
>the Stanford Band.  However, I and other fans who attend the
>games can use our right to criticize the band when we find them
>to be offensive.

They should give the band maximum freedom.  However, remember that as impor-
tant as the band is to the football game, the university does not HAVE to let
them march.  (Ask me what the university does to the Blue Band when it rains..)

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Kurt Ludwick
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