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From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Subject: Re: DieHard 500
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:23:26 GMT


In article <24917@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, leres@ace.ee.lbl.gov (Craig Leres) writes...
>[spoiler warning]
>
> 
>All in all, CBS did a better job than I was expecting. Sure, they made
> 
>		Craig


The biggest blunder they made was after the last round of pit stops.  Sterling
Marlin was clearly well ahead of Ernie on the track but they kept saying Ernie
was in the lead for about 4-5 laps.  One of them then noticed that Sterling
was in front of him and started talking about how fast he had passed Ernie
when, in fact, he had been in front of him since the pit stops.  

I guess they don't watch the same race that we do sometimes...

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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Driver's origins
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:22:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.195420.25251@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>In article <yxlmm1d.esprit@netcom.com>, esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>|> 
>|> The chassis maker is Lotus, but the cars used this season are the
>|> 102D and the 107.
>|> 
>|> Also, they are not Cosworth-powered.  They use the same Ford HBs
>|> as Fondmetal.  These engines have been two versions behind the HBs that
>|> Benetton has.
>
>|> As implied above, the Benettons are not V12 powered.  They have
>|> Ford "the highest revving V8 in the world" HBs.
>
>Are they not Cosworth developed??

The original post called the Fondmetal engines "Ford HBs", the Lotus engines
"Cosworth V8s" and the Benetton engines "Ford V12s".  In reality, the Lotus
and Fondmetal engines are the same and the Benetton motors are a couple
versions newer.  They are all designated "Ford HB".  It doesn't matter
who developed them, that is what they are called.

alan
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Mansell's handling problems ?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:02:37 GMT

In article <Jul28.180117.21398@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>According to the post race interview (which ESPN did not show) Mansell
>said that his tires were blistering very badly.. So badly to the point
>that he couldn't even see clearly from all the vibration that was
>in the cockpit.

I suppose, under the circumstances, they could not predict the amount
of tire wear for a full length race in those very humid conditions on
that very fast course. Next year will be worse then, since no one can
test on track that's on the World Championship schedule once the season
has started.
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Subject: Re: Lafitte (was Re: Miscellaneous Ramblings)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:43:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.160635.6235@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.065512.16422@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>>
>>As an aside, there are quite a few former F1 drivers who
>>compete in the German Touring Car Championship, some of
>>whom have been reasonably successful in F1:
>>
>>Keke Rosberg  (F1 champ 1982)
>>Jacques Lafitte  (several GP wins)
>> ...
>
>Every time the announcers mention how much deeper Patrese has buried
>the record for GP's started, I wonder what happened to Lafitte.  Wasn't
>he hurt at the start of the race that would have let him take the
>record away from Graham Hill?  (The crash caused a red flag, so the
>race was restarted, denying him credit for having started in that
>event, as I recall.)
>
>Anyone know his condition?  Did he recover fully?  How is he doing?
>
>Dave Wilson


Jacques showed up last night on the German Touring Car series; he's 
driving a Mercedes and doing Pirelli's tire development work.  
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: ReL Senna and Me...
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:39:28 +0000

cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour) writes..

>shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:

>: But developing my theory of Senna's ice cold tactical brain, I would
>: say that NOTHING he could have done was more likely to be taken as an
>: insult by Mansell than to be waved past, having demonstarbly failed
>: to barge past. IMHO Senna was once again attempting to outpsych
>: Mansell. And probably succeeding.

>I have to say I think your right Leo. I would also note the remarks
>from Ron Dennis about "the emotional element in Williams", which,
>when put to NM, resulted in a fairly brusque retort.... The way I see
>it, AS is using all his considerable skills both on and off the track
>to unsettle NM by influencing his surroundings. As long as he stops
>that bloody stupid weaving nonsense, best of luck to him! It sort of
>reminds me of those WCW wrestlers trying to freak each other out!

Its always been a part of motor racing: propaganda, disniformation
etc. But it used to be done with a twinkle in the eye. Now there are
such big bucks involved some of the fun has gone out of it.

Imagine how Senna and Mansell must feel - ou there at the thin edge
of the wedge with millons of dollars riding on a flick of the wrist..

>BTW, the video of the off at Hockenheim shows AS putting a big wiggle
>on his tail end just before he starts to turn in - classic piece of
>late braking.

That's consistent with MN's report. Mansell claimed that Senna had a
BIG moment and was effectively out of control which (naturally :-))
was why he (Mansell) had to take to the escape road. Mansell then
claimed (Naturally :-)) that he (Senna) waved him through 'because he
realised he couldn't keep up the pace'

Senna _was_ over the edge just before Mansells off, and despite
possible fuel shortage, it is fact that Mansells tyres were shot to
bits with actual blisters and lumps falling off by the end of the
race. A combination of the heat and Nigels style? He certainly
claimed to have pitted in the first instance because the tyres were
badly off balance, not because they were worn.

I think Senna drove a superbly cerebral race: He used every ounce
that the car, the rule book, and his knowledge of psychology had to
give him.

Nigel has obvious flaws: Senna's are not so obvious, but I think
getting yourself disliked intensely by your fellow drivers may turn
out to be a flaw in Senna that will cost him dear...Senna has never
as far as I can remember had a major bone breaking accident. Maybe
that is why he feels invunerable.





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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Its time for another match race
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:46:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.025111.16534@microsoft.com> hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller) writes:
>I saw only the last few laps of the Portland IMSA GTP/GTL race yesterday, and
>dumbly didn't tape it.  Where's Parker Johnstone?  What happened to Li'l Al?
>(remember to put spoiler warnings in the subject). I saw two Scandia Racing
>trailers parked on Willows Road this afternoon (one black and one white, each
>with a colorful abstract Open Wheel Car painted on their sides--quite nice,
>actually) so I assume they're back from the race.
>

The reason you saw two trailers is this:  Scandia prepped both Al's GTP
Intrepid for Portland (a one-off deal) and also handles the Velez/Evans
GTLights car throughout the season, which is sponsored by Norweigian
Cruise lines (Look for them in GTP next season).

Both the Intrepids (one spare) showed up Thursday painted green/white.
The primary car was repainted Friday night blue/white, and had
sponsorship by Norweigian, General Rent-A-Car and Valvoline.  The car
was also renumbered to #15 (from #44) to honor the 15th year of this
particular race.

Parker Johnstone/Comptech Acura is chomping at the bit to go GTP.  There
is some talk that they are looking at several chassis - Lola? Jaguar?
So it looks like if they do jump up in class, Acura (Honda) will not
fund their own chassis design.

I also found it amazing the Joest Porsches are shipped back to Germany
after just about every race to be rebuilt!  Why can't a shop be set up
in the USA?  (Must be a hell of a shipping bill).  By the way, the
Laurrari Porsche registered the FASTEST straight-line speed this past
weekend at PIR.  Something like 187mph along the back straight.  Just
can't get the cornering speeds of the competition.

-cannonball-

So's it looks like Acura (Honda) doe
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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Safety alert in _SCR_
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:33:39 GMT


_Stock Car Racing_ this month has some new info about Doug Wolfgang's
accident.  They say that apparently Doug's car was using a plastic
coupler to hold the steering wheel on.  In the fire, it melted and
made it impossible for him to remove the wheel, which trapped him
in the car.

They strongly suggest, to everyone that races in a class which requires
a removable steering wheel, that if your coupler is plastic, you
replace it with an all-metal one.  Apparently, NASCAR has already
put in a rule change for this at all levels, and other bodies may
have too.

-- 
David Cornutt, New Technology Inc., Huntsville, AL  (205) 461-6457
(cornutt@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies)
"The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer,
not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."
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From: gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green)
Subject: When to step on it
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:42:55 GMT

Bob Kehoe asked when racers "step on it" (whether they wait
for the green flag, etc.).

Well, with my vast (8^) experience of six rolling starts in
three Skip Barber Formula Ford race weekends (Hi, Steve Thompson),
I'll give you my view: If you key off (only) the green flag,
at best, you'll lose a number of positions. At worst, someone will
drop kick you in the butt. Luckily, I learned this *before*
my first race, by watching/reading about/flagging/listening to races
and drivers (including the Skippy instructors).

Being a rookie, my aim from the first race 'til I get more
experience has been just not to lose any positions. To do this,
my primary key is the pole sitter. That's who sets the pace.
Luckily, I've never started below 5th, so I've had a good view of the
pole sitter. The trick is to look for the "squat" on the rear suspension
of the pole sitter. If you wait for any engine noise rise,
you're too late. Of equal concern is the car directly in front
of you. If this driver gets caught sleeping, you're skrod
(assuming the pole sitter nails it before the green), as you
risk getting nailed for jumping the start if you pull out
to avoid the snoozer. At the same time, you have to be looking
for the flag and checking your revs. You have to be looking
a the flag in case the *pole sitter* gets caught napping.
As soon as the green comes out, you can nail it, pull out,
and pass. You have to check your revs, as the pole sitter
may drop you out of your power band, so you have to grab a lower gear.

Using this method, I have never lost a position on the start,
and have gained a position on a couple of occasions. If and
when I feel comfortable with my level of experience, *then*
I'll think about employing techniques to get a "jump" on the
others. All in all, the time from when the pace car pulls away
to getting through the first corner is *incredibly* intense.
I probably wouldn't want to know my heart rate.

One last piece of advice: expect the unexpected. I've seen
drivers jump on it from the time the pace car pulls away
(effectively chasing the pace car to the pit entrance), to
absolutely creeping until the green flies.

Hope this helps,

Gerry Green
gerry@usl.com
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Rule Changes for 1993 and 1994
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:41:12 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Andrew Henry writes:

>FISA issued the following Press Release on Monday evening
>
> There was a meeting of the FISA Formula One Commission on July 25.
> It decided to make the following proposals to the FISA World
> Motorsports Council.
> 
> 3.  That from January 1 1993, as a condition of providing tyres
>     to teams in the FIA Formula 1 Championship, tyre companies
>     should be obliged to supply, if called upon to do so, a
>     proportion of the competing teams on the usual commercial
>     terms as follows:
>       One Company             - 100%
>       Two Companies           - up to 60% each
>       Three companies or more - up to 40% each

	Zero companies          - Oh shit!

Didn't FISA leave out a case here?  What if zero tire companies 
show up?  What's the percentage then :-)  Its not that far fetched
to think that no one is interested.

Dan Jones
From: Greg_Tjosvold@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Tjosvold)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Aerotech 3D Cad file?
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:30:11 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Hi all,
I ralise I am fishing here more than a little, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
Does anyone out there have a 3D cad file available for the Oldsmobile
Aerotech(?) car that AJ Foyt drove for a closed track speed record? If you do,
it would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Greg "Nanook" Tjosvold
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Glory Days, and Not
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:11:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul22.201118.29163
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1682CD60F.GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu> GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes) writes:

>Now, alas, that glorious title has been debased
>by ESPN, using the same name for a catch all
>of short, outdated, racing clips. The last one
>I taped, on Monday, turned out to feature Geoff
>Bodine and Junior Johnson's Bud Ford Team, and
>a bit on how wonderful the Canadian Porsche
>Cup series was, full of market-speak on the
>attributes of the 944Turbo. So how come the
>series has been defunct for two years now ?

Having seen one of the Canadian Porsche races (support race
for the inaugural Vancouver Indy) I rave about the series.
Close, fast racing, manufacturer identification, sponsorship 
appeal; that series had it.  I was quite disappointed when I
hear of the series demise.

>Glory Days ? NOT !

Maybe not YET...

Still, I will admit that show about the TransAm Cougars was
pretty cool.  I enjoyed watching them run Seattle.  Today's
TransAm teams would look at SIR and grimace.  Even with substantial
renovations I'd doubt they'd run there.  I'd be happy to be proved
wrong, however.

Ben


> 
> 


-- 
Ben Bradley                                 Rally Drivers Do It Sideways!!
Reed College
Portland, OR                                RIP CITY!!!
bradley@reed.edu                            Wait Until Next Year
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Facts and Rumors before Hockenheim
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:08:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Naren Chauhan writes:
>    Team Picks for 1993:
>
>    Williams	Mansell/Prost
>    McLaren	Senna/Andretti
>    Benetton 	Schumacher/Brundle
>    Ferrari	Alesi/Morbidelli
>    Lotus	Herbert/Al Jr. 

I think it has already been mentioned here, but I will repeat it.
Lotus cannot afford Al Jr. (they have unofficially unadmitted this) and
if one of the current drivers goes it will be Johnny Herbert.  Mika has
more sponsorship money (unless the EC bans all cigarette advertising like
they were talking about).

alan
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From: pz@keps.kodak.com (Paul Czarnecki)
Subject: Re: Senna and Me...
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:53:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.162306.23858@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>Actually, I thought Senna drove very well, even though some of his
>zig-zagging during his fight with Patrese was (IMHO) on the border-
>line.  On the other hand, noone can expect him to wave another driver
>by when fighting for second.

But when he realizes he is beat, he concedes.  Go back and check your
tape again.  Senna actually waved Mansell by.  I didn't believe it
when I saw it so I backed up the tape to be check and sure enough, his
arm comes up and points Mansell by.  It may have been politeness or
just acknowledging the inevitable.  Is this the new Kinder, Gentler
Senna we are seeing? 

I'm no Senna fan but he just went up 1 notch in my opinion.  (Okay, so
now give him a ladder so he can get out of the sewer... :-)

					pZ
					Andretti/Unser/Ford '93
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From: aewhelan@icaen.uiowa.edu (Andrew Whelan)
Subject: Re: Ghost of Can/Am?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:35:12 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <92206.084003JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <12361@perryd>, perryd@Software.Mitel.COM (Dave Perry) says:
>
>>I thought Can/Am was dead - haven't heard anything about it for at least
>>5 years.  I thought I heard it  mentioned on tv (TNN? TSN?) while
>>I was channel flipping the other day. So - is it dead or what?
>Carroll Shelby has tried to bring the series back. Car and Driver
>did an article on him and mentioned the series. The cars are all the
>same. They look like Sports 2000 cars. I think the season is short
>and it includes ovals.

	The SCCA CAN-AM series died out in the 1970's but the name
	is still owned by the SCCA. 
        
        What you have been hearing about is a series based on the 
 	Shelby car, like Dave said. As far as I can tell, the series
	is an SCCA Pro Racing series that is running at various venues
	around the States and Canada. 

	The Shelby CAN-AM is an SCCA spec car that is built by Shelby 
	Technologies, Inc. (213-538-2914) They have a "sealed 255hp 
	Dodge V-6" (SportsCar: V49/N9, pg 64) and cost about $35000. 
	The Shelby CAN-AM is also a SCCA Club Racing class and I believe 
	that these are the rules that control the car.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________ 

   andrew whelan                                                   
     aewhelan@icaen.uiowa.edu    
       university of iowa, idaho city, ohio
________________________________________________________________________

                                                                    
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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: FYI - WC points
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:07:29 GMT

Winston Cup Point Standings for top 15 positions as of 27-jul-1992
 ( Albuquerque Journal )


1.	Davey Allison (28)		Ford	2501
2.	Bill Elliott (11)		Ford	2500
3.	Alan Kulwicki (7)		Ford	2381
4.	Harry Gant (33)			Olds	2372
5. 	Mark Martin (6)			Ford	2208

6.	Ricky Rudd (5)			Chev	2202
7.	Terry Labonte (94)		Chev	2165
8.	Dale Earnhardt (3)		Chev	2142
9.	Morgan Shepherd (21)		Ford	2111
10.	Sterling Marlin (22)		Ford	2106

11.	Kyle Petty (42)			Pont	2096
12.	Ernie Irvan (4)			Chev	2089
13.	Darrell Waltrip (17)		Chev 	2036
14.	Ken Schrader (25)		Chev	2033
15. 	Geoff Bodine (15)		Ford	2027


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From: ab@crosfield.co.uk (Andrew Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: James Hunt's comments on Senna/Mansell/Patrese at Hockenhein
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:42:21 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <oberem.712372282@milton> oberem@milton.u.washington.edu (Graham Oberem) writes:
>I am not a James Hunt fan and I am certainly not a Senna fan, but I agree
>with James Hunt on this occasion.  Mansell was extremely stupid to try
>that move and it nearly cost him the race.
>
>IMHO Mansell has clearly demonstrated this year that he can only win the
>championship when he can be way out in front of the rest.  He is a very
>good driver, but he lacks the brains to win the championship with inferior
>or even equal equipment.  That has to be the reason he has not won the
>chamionship before now.


I recently read an article on the William's team where Frank said why
he selected Nigel.

Basically, if Ricardo was second in a race then they would be assured
of a second place. If Nigel was second then he would drive balls out
for first. The example they gave about Nigel's skill is when he was
at Ferrari in 1990 and the passing techniques he used to pass Prost
at Monaco and France.

And whatever car you gave him at Silverstone he would always win.

I think the comment that Nigel can only win if he is way out in front
must come from someone who has only watched him drive in 1992.
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 93 predictions
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:55:36 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Marcus Hayes writes:

I'm sure we'll hear more tommorrow, but for now...

>These are my predictions for some of next years F1 lineup :
>
>Williams-Renault
>	Mansell
>	Prost

That would be my bet.

>Mclaren-BMW/Mclaren-Peugeot
>	Berger
>	? (Brundle ?)

I think Berger will stay now, but I don't have a clue for his
teammate.  Several total guesses would be Wendinger, Al Jr, or 
Blundell.

Power?  Ferrari :-))

>Ferrari
>	Senna
>	Alesi/Patrese

I really don't see Alesi going this year, but maybe its time to
clean house again.   If Senna doesn't end up at Ferrari, I would
expect an Alesi-Patrese lineup.

>Bennetton-Ford
>	Schumacher
>	Unser Jr./Patrese

Brundle will stay.

>Lotus-Ford
>	Andretti
>	Hakkinen/Herbert

Andretti and Hakkinen.

>Anyway, this is my A$0.02 worth.

mine too.

Dan Jones
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