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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Live sequence performance (was re: ...well, alsorts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:53:41 GMT

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
>Erummm, bzzzzzzzzzzt!

>Try Carter USM.  Sequenced, big tourers, large stadium players (Glastonbury,
>Big Day Out). They do fine.

I thought Carter used guitars, heavily.. I haven't heard their music though...

I think if you have a lead singer and a guitarist to provide some onstage
action, the rest could conceivably be sequenced. However, they might
have a pseudo drummer for the impression's sake. How do they play, if
they only have 2 pepl, and one is behind a synth?

Erasure is different. Their fans are fanatic and they do go for the bigtime
visuals I mentioned...
Paul

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From: hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: bloody record companies( was Re: Headless Chickens support Poppies!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 10:23:25 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Distribution: aus
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pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>Actually, I consider Mushroom a major record company. It may not be inter
>national, but it is major within Aust... Indie is like Present, Razor (on MDS)
>shock...

I wasn't saying they were an indie! I was just making a point that the
indie labels will manipulate product just as readily as the big boys...

By the way, Razor are usually released through Mushroom/Festival, not
MDS, and Shock is rumored to be signing a distribution deal with Sony
soon, which may explain the Sony-style catalogue number on the Lab CD...
:-)

>>Quadrophonia can come out here and mime to a DAT machine and nobody
>>complains. There's a lot of hypocrisy in this business...

>I saw Q. They were excellent! I saw them at pure and was pretty sure the
>vocals were 100% live, ditto the DJing. Of course the rest was DAT. The
>reason I think the vox was live was because the sound quality was terrible!
>Couldn;t make out a word. But as a whole, the performance was quite good.

Talk about playing to a non-critical audience! If I had a dance/rave
band and could have chosen a place to play, it'd have been at Pure.
Sheeesh! Just like the ridiculous 20-minute DAT-and-vocal Beloved "gig"
at Chasers, the Quadrophonia "gig" was a Hey Hey appearance dressed up
as a concert. If we establish that the singer/rapper from Q can't sing
or make proper use of a mike, then all you're left with is the DAT and
the DJ-ing. Better to hire a Technics turntable, pretend you're tripping
and do it yourself at home! :-)



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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Orb Assassin
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: melb
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:38:21 GMT

a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark) writes:

>There is an Orb 'Assassin' double CDS at Exposure records, Kew. $35.
GAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that a ripoff, or am I just cheap? Gaslight sold out, dammit... :(

>In case you're interested.

I am, but I'm not made of gold :)
Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: cwalsh@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Craig Walsh)
Subject: Re: Confirmed for Big Day Out 1992
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:05:44 GMT


Does anyone know exactly how many bands there will be? Also how many stages?

I don't really wan't to go if the three or four bands I actually want to see
are all on at the same time. It was only luck that stopped it happening last
year.

Craig Walsh.

Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Clouds "Loot"
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:03:14 GMT


In article <6776@otc.otca.oz>, brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

|> I recently saw HMV selling a copy of RatCat's "Tingles" EP for $30 - which 

That's 'cos it's an _import_. Silly situation eh?

brian
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From: larcher@DIALix.oz.au (Leanne Archer)
Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Tori Amos Concert
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:25:54 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Summary: Best Concert in a long time.
Keywords: Fabulous

   Hello all :)

          Just came back from a really great concert at The Octagon Theatre  
   at UWA. She was absolutely fabulous. Tori covered all her songs on her
   solo album plus Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love" and "Thank You" plus
   Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit". 4 encores and 3 standing ovations
   later, I am still recovering. :-)

          See ya at the Mantissa gig this December 8th! and the Lita Ford
   clinic on the 13th :)

          Ciao .....

                                      Totally Zonked Out,

                                      - Leanne

                                      (larcher@DIALix.oz.au)

Newsgroups: aus.music
From: dar@melb.bull.oz.au (David Rubie)
Subject: Re: Nick Cave in Canberra?? dates please
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:56:10 GMT

In <2505@grivel.une.edu.au> tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro) writes:

>Can anybody give me a date for the Bad Seeds in Canberra (assuming they
>are playing there). Also are tickets still available. I'm going to the
>Sydney gig, but have to spend the following week in canberra, so... if
>Nick is appearing during that time, I'll go again.

>Thanks in advance,

>Tim
>tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au



Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds are playing the ANU bar on the 10th of
December.

Tickets available from the bar or from Impact Records in Civic (centre
of Canberra for you out-of-towners!)


See you there.  My tickets are on the fridge, itchin' to be utilised!!!



David Rubie
Systems Engineer
Bull HN Information Systems
Canberra, 
























Newsgroups: aus.music
From: tonyj@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Tony Jeffreys)
Subject: Re: Gang Of Four Question
Originator: tonyj@sydrd15
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:22:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.161921.10508@tpl68k0.tplrd.tpl.oz.au>, markb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Mark Bower) writes:
|> Can anyone tell me what "Gang of Four" album the song "I found that
|> Essence Rare" was on ?

Back in my dark and distant student days I taped a friend's Gang of Four
album which featured the track "I found that Essence Rare" and I'm pretty
sure that it was their first album (called Gang of Four???).  It's a great
track and has stood the test of time (with me, at least) in that I can
still remember it well.  I'll blow the dust off my cassettes tonight and
try to find it....


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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: A-punting we will go...
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
	<pet.721636006@munagin>
	<leroy.721710783@ultima>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:24:20 GMT

"Was Andrew Raphael there?" indeed.  Thank you, Leroy.  Hmm, I'll have
to apologise for not being at the next The Unseen gig.  After going
through The Drum Media with a red pen last night, it appears I'll be at

Thu	Plums ( from Melbourne)
Fri	Bughouse, Trout	Fishing	In Quebec
Sat	The Verys, umm, Disneyfist (arvo)
	Falling Joys, Plums (eve)
Sun	Plums?

I saw the Plums in Melbourne during September, doing the "Hat Trick"
shows at the Evelyn Hotel with Rob Clarkson and Barefoot.  Since I asked
them then if they were touring Sydney soon, I'm grabbing the chance to
see them again.

Disneyfist has a couple of people I'm acquainted with in it, and I saw
them for the first time a fortnight ago.  They rate high on the Bughouse
scale for dark songs, so I think I'm going to like them.
-- 
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: bloody record companies( was Re: Headless Chickens support Poppies!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:46:50 GMT

hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes:

>>Why do record companies sanitize and blandify good bands??? I mean bigger
>>record companies of course, i.e. those with enough clout to include a lot
>>of control clauses in the contracts, like choosing what songs to release
>>as singles, release dates, etc. Smaller ones don't generally have such heavy
>>hands... So I have heard...

>I wouldn't be too sure about that! Many small independant companies
>happily change tracks on overseas product they distribute. In the case
>of the Chickens Mushroom obviously felt that by holding off and waiting
>for the new tracks they'd end up with a stronger album. I've heard the
>new songs live, and believe me, they are a quantum leap for the band.

Actually, I consider Mushroom a major record company. It may not be inter
national, but it is major within Aust... Indie is like Present, Razor (on MDS)
shock...
>>is that he was responsible for the Betty Boo tour which was a complete
>>disaster...
>...Which poor Betty got all the blame for. No-one is willing to accept
>the blame for that fiasco, but most informed sources absolve the
>luckless Ms Boo of all blame, apart from (justifiably) losing her temper
>on stage. And by the way, I saw one of her shows. She DID sing live.
>Some people don't know taped backing vocals if they fall over them. Then
>Quadrophonia can come out here and mime to a DAT machine and nobody
>complains. There's a lot of hypocrisy in this business...
I saw Q. They were excellent! I saw them at pure and was pretty sure the
vocals were 100% live, ditto the DJing. Of course the rest was DAT. The
reason I think the vox was live was because the sound quality was terrible!
Couldn;t make out a word. But as a whole, the performance was quite good.

Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Shamen crash through the price barrier (almost)
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:24:50 GMT

a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Reg Trademark) writes:

 >Scuglia rating = 8 songs / 8 dollars = 1 dollar per song.
 >
 >Curtis factor = 40 minutes / 8 dollars = 50 cents per song.

You should have inverted both the Scuglia and Curtis factors. Otherwise
the more expensive the cd, the better.

Then again, there is something in that. If I pay $93 for a Shamen
cd single then the quality of the single must be really high. So
(ignoring the fact that I'd be a fucking idiot to buy it) a seven
minute cd costing $93 would rate phenomenally on the Curtis scale.

Just imagine, $13 a minute, 22c per secong. Now that's quality!
Must be Goode.

                   Brent.

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: richardd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Davies)
Subject: Retirement questions.
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:27:56 GMT

	Could someone please explain the laws governing retirement to
me? Is the retirement age the age by which you must retire or does it
just mean you are entitled to a pension after that age? Also, why is
there a discrepancy between the retirement age for men and women? Thanks
in advance.

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Re: GST - double tax?
Keywords: GST
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:33:52 GMT

In article <dyfl.721973757@munagin>, dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam) writes:
> rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI) writes:
> 
> >e.g.  If a ballpen worth a dollar requires 4 stages of manufacture and
> >each stage you charge 15 % tax, will not ballpen cost 
> >1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 = 1.75$?
> 
> No. The GST is levied on the value added at each stage, not on the
> total value.  So the whole thing is taxes at a rate of 15%, no matter
> how many stages it goes through.  At least that's the theory.

In this case also it will  be higher tax.  I will expand on my above
example of a ballpen worth a dollar.  Suppose 4 stages of value addition
hypothetically has value addition of 50c, 20c, 20c and 10c.  If each
stages are taxed it will work out as follows
50c * 1.15 = 57.5c
57.5 +20c = 77.5 * 1.15 = 89.125c
89.125c + 20c = 109.125 * 1.15 = 125.49375c
125.49375 + 10c = 135.49375 * 1.15 = 155.8178c

i.e. slightly better than 1.75$ but a single ballpen worth a dollar will
actually cost 1.56$.  By any other permutation it will cost less I guess
depending upon the value additions, which I agree.  But it will be far
far more than a simple figure which Dr. Hewson said about 15 % tax.  It
might be that I got it wrong or Dr Hewson hasn't done his homework.  

rakesh
> 
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> 	Melbourne, Australia
> 
> In my opinion, the opinions expressed here are my personal opinions.


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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: Inoculation aggro
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:37:29 GMT

salter_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:

>However, this campaign is being attacked by a local loony who is against
>all forms of vaccination.

I am an independent thinker.
You are eccentric.
He is a total nutter. :-)

>He is using a mixture of hard work ...
>He is fairly literate and the local paper prints his letters.

Without debating the merits of mass vaccinations, this person
has a legitimate point of view (there are *some* risks involved
in vaccination) and is presenting this view to the community
by peaceful means (better a letter to the local paper than a
bomb in the health clinic!). Isn't this what democracy and
freedom of speech are all about?

>Any other advice to pass on to my friend?

Respect the rights of other people to have a different point of
view, perhaps?

Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Subject: Another Kennet Milestone
Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:43:49 GMT

As part of its plans to "fix" the problems with Workcare, the Kennet
Government's Workcover will not cover transport injury to and from work. 
Workers will now be covered in this activity by the TAC.  This may be OK for
people using vehicles on which the TAC premium is paid but there is a
significant number of people who use vehicles on which no TAC premium is paid.

These people are bicyclists.  That is, people using bicycles for transport to
and from work will soon have no insurance for this activity.

Another Kennet Government "reform".

Chris O'Neill
Telecom Research
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: GST - double tax?
Keywords: GST
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:42:40 GMT

johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid) writes:

>>It isn't. EC countries are perfectly free not to have a VAT. The

>Sorry, but you are wrong. You are indeed required to have a VAT. The UK
>were obliged to introduce one when they joined, and they didn't like doing
>it, either.

>The VAT is required, because it is connected with membership levies for the
>EC in Brussels.

I grew up in England and I was there when VAT was introduced.  John may
be right in saying that it's an EC requirement, but I don't recall 
hearing that argument used (either for or against VAT) at the time.
Given the level of feeling about Europe, I feel confident that if the
EC could have been blamed for VAt it would have been!

Geoff Miller  (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: GST - double tax?
Keywords: GST
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:09:25 GMT

rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au (Rakesh DESAI) writes:

>In article <dyfl.721973757@munagin>, dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam) writes:
>> rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI) writes:
>> 
>> >e.g.  If a ballpen worth a dollar requires 4 stages of manufacture and
>> >each stage you charge 15 % tax, will not ballpen cost 
>> >1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 = 1.75$?
>> 
>> No. The GST is levied on the value added at each stage, not on the
>> total value.  So the whole thing is taxes at a rate of 15%, no matter
>> how many stages it goes through.  At least that's the theory.

>In this case also it will  be higher tax.  I will expand on my above
>example of a ballpen worth a dollar.  Suppose 4 stages of value addition
>hypothetically has value addition of 50c, 20c, 20c and 10c.  If each
>stages are taxed it will work out as follows
>50c * 1.15 = 57.5c
>57.5 +20c = 77.5 * 1.15 = 89.125c
>89.125c + 20c = 109.125 * 1.15 = 125.49375c
>125.49375 + 10c = 135.49375 * 1.15 = 155.8178c

>i.e. slightly better than 1.75$ but a single ballpen worth a dollar will
>actually cost 1.56$.  By any other permutation it will cost less I guess
>depending upon the value additions, which I agree.  But it will be far
>far more than a simple figure which Dr. Hewson said about 15 % tax.  It
>might be that I got it wrong or Dr Hewson hasn't done his homework.  

You still have it wrong.  Using your example, the calculation
for the tax is

     (50 * .15) + (20 * .15) + (20 * .15) + (10 * .15) 
   = (50 + 20 + 20 + 10) * .15
   = 15

The person doing the third stage of the processing, for example, buys 
his component for 70c + 10.5c tax.  After processing, he sells for
90c + 13.5c tax.  He then pays to the government the difference in
the two tax figures (3 cents), which is 15% of the value added in 
his processing.

The point is that the tax is processed separately and not aggregated,
as you did in working through your figures.

Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
From: bigm@cs.uq.oz.au (Michael Pilling [Real people drink purple milk])
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Policies - does only economic policy count?
Keywords: gst, economic, policies
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: bigm@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <1992Nov16.113740.28100@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au> pol253b@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms D Alexander) writes:

>Surely you jest.  What about industrial relations and health fer chrissakes
>Michael?  Two major areas with potentially enormous social impact, and areas
>where the difference is much, much, more than marginal.

Unfortunately I don't think so. Eg. last friday there was a
headline in the fin review - front page saying that the govt
was secretly asking financial advisers how to sell off
Telecom. It is certainly becoming clearer to me that the
difference is marginal, becoming more so, and the best way I
could describe the difference is about 2-3 years. That is
the policies I voted against liberal for one election seem
to be adopted by the labor party the next.

But certainly, there is no way I would vote liberal in the
reps this time round.

Michael
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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Re: Negative Gearing
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:39:27 GMT

There's no doubt that negative gearing of rental property is only
a winner for the investor when inflation is higher than interest
rates/marginal tax. This is not true at present. I also agree that
there are more valuable investments that could be made than speculation
(because that's what it is) in real estate.

Among them, and particularly favoured, are equities (ie Shares). An
investment in some business (especially your own) is much more likely
to add value to the GDP through multiplier effects, and produce
employment, exports etc etc. To make this attractive, income from
companies in the form of dividends has a tax-paid component (dividend
imputation), which can be used as part of your tax payment.

Thus is you borrow (say) $100K at 10% to buy blue-chip shares returning 6.1%
dividends, your net loss is $4K pa before tax. This will be offset against
other income. Additionally there is a further $3900K of tax credits to be
used to offset tax on other income. You don't need even need a capital
gain on the shares to make this worthwhile. Of course, the risk of capital
loss on shares is much higher than on residential property.

Nevertheless, you should all rush out now and invest in the future of
Australia, and make heaps on it. Why not choose high-tech industries too.
Just avoid woodchips, tobacco and uranium (:-).
-- 
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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: pol253b@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms D Alexander)
Subject: Parallels b/w State pols and student pols (was: ALP in the Lead 
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.101622.165081@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au writes:
>
>I'm amazed at the parellels with our student union in which
>the libs were elected....
>When they got in, they claimed to have a mandate for a lot
>more than they had advertised....

(various bits deleted)

>Well, at the next election, we had a record voter turn out
>and they were thouroughly turffed out.

Michael, I hope the parallel extends this far!

Dey.