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From: manrique@ME.UDEL.EDU (Fernando Manrique)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Una de prueba
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:59:23 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
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Reply-To: Fernando Manrique <manrique@ME.UDEL.EDU>
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Intento incorporarme al grupo Spain. Soy un asturiano perdido en Delaware
(Dela where?) y hasta ahora me lo pase muy bien leyendoos, aunque la
verdad es que tanta discusion linguistica (x, j) cansa un poco. Si hay que
enzarzarse en "griescas" por que no recurrir a los temas que en realidad
usamos en Espanha, por ejemplo en los bares; lease futbol, politica,
cotilleos, mujeres/hombres, la marcha el "fierru" etc. A lo mejor asi nos
sentimos todos un poco mas cerca de casa. Por cierto, hay algun aficionado
taurino por ahi que me cuente con pelos y senhales lo que hizo Curro
Romero en la feria de Octubre? He oido que armo la mundial.


Un chiste recien llegado de la peninsula:

Van catorce tios montados en camello por el desierto y el de adelante dice:
- Este camello va jodido
El que va el ultimo responde
- Toma claro, es que sino me caigo.




Salud y ya sabeis que:

"Con fabes y sidrina non fai falta heroina"
From: mvinuela@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Pelicula de Victoria Abril
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:00:25 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
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 >In article <1992Nov12.012022.13463@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 >delval@leland.Stanford.EDU (Alvaro del Val) writes:
 >> In article <1dqgimINNbut@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU
 >(Angel Puerta) writes:
 >>
 >> Nadie en el mundo conoce a este Malcom
 >> >ya que su unica calificacion que le ha dado algo de publicidad en los
 >> >EEUU es que es negro.
 >>
 >> Sabes perfectamente que esto es mentira.
 >
 >Exactamente, cual parte es mentira? Que no lo conoce nadie esta claro. Ni
 >siquiera hablemos de Europa o Latino-America. Cuanta gente en los EEUU habia
 >oido de el antes de que se empezara a hablar de la pelicula? Porque crees que
 >se oye por ahi lo de Malcolm the Tenth?
 >
 >En segundo lugar, si este hombre no fuera negro, no habria una pelicula acerca
 >de el. Es tan simple como eso. Y especialmente, una pelicula de Spike Lee.
 >
 >A diferencia de lo que parece ser una opinion generalizada, todas los
 >integrantes de todas las razas tienen la posibilidad de ser racistas. Este mal
 >no esta reservado para los blancos.
 >
 >He leido y visto extensas entrevistas con Spike Lee y el hombre es racista sin
 >lugar a duda. El detesta todo lo que provenga de la raza blanca y su paranoia
 >es manifiesta: "AIDS is a conspiracy of the white race to eliminate the
 >black race (People Magazine)". Sus compa#ias de produccion y direccion tienen
 >personal completamente negro a pesar de que el se queja de que "el
 >establecimiento blanco le niega oportunidades a la raza negra".
 >Su opinion acerca de SurAfrica: "one bullet, one settler" refiriendose a la
 >necesidad de matar a los miembros de la minoria blanca en Africa del Sur.
 >Admira a Sister Soulja, lo que no amerita comentario adicional.
 >
 >Que de una mente tan enferma pueda surgir una pelicula a la que se le pueda dar
 >credibilidad es casi una imposibilidad fisica.
 >
 >>
 >> En cuanto al tono inflamatorio de tu mensaje, crees acaso que anades
 >> algo util a la discusion por usar ese tono?
 >>
 >
 >El tono es inflamatorio porque al contrario de lo que tu has implicado, estoy
 >tratando de mostrar mi desden por el racismo.
 >
 >Una pelicula de Spike Lee acerca de Malcom X no tiene nada que envidiarle a una
 >dirigida por el Klu Klux Klan acerca de Jean Marie Le Pen.
 >
 >--
 >Angel Puerta
 >puerta@camis.stanford.edu

Auto-demiurgo ignorante.
Miguel Vinuela                    Internet: mvinuela@cc.gettysburg.edu

Gettysburg College                Telephone: (717) 337-6861
Gettysburg, PA 17325                      Fax: (717) 337-6666
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: mbfarah@isluga.puc.cl (MIGUEL BRAXTON FARAH)
Subject: Re: Tejas y Texas (era Re: Mejico y Mexico)
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:10:46 GMT

: 
: |> b) Texas se escribe Tejas porque era antes nuestra
: 
Pues para que tu sepas, so meJicano chauvinista, TEXAS es una palabra de
origen <<indio>> (aborigen, mejor dicho) que significa "amistad". Ahora 
que esto ha quedado aclarado, dire ademas que no tiene sentido quedarse 
en el pasado - la letra J existe hace siglos y no hay porque alterar la
pronunciacion que tiene. Mejico es /me'jiko/ y no /me'ksiko/. Mal que
mal, el espan~ol es la lengua que mas se acerca a la biunivocidad de 
letras y fonemas, y esa es una de las grandes ventajas que tiene por 
sobre otras lenguas (p.ej., el ingles tiene 26 letras y 42 fonemas dis-
tintos).

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From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Subject: Re:CONVERSION US & INTERN'L VIDEOTAPES 
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:53:15 GMT


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From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ana Maria
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:00:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu




Ana Maria:

Personas como tu no inspiran lastima sino asco. 
Solo espero que en tu amargura diaria y solitaria no se te ocurra
hablar con nadie pues te desilucionarias al encontrar que no
hay puristas tan estrechos de mente como tu.

Por lo visto desconoces sobre lo que es la literatura sudaca (imagino
que asi la debes llamar) en estos tiempos. Lastima que seas tan mala 
representacion de Madrid.

Antes que se me olvide: quiero pedir escusas de parte de todos los
puertorriquenhos por asesinar tu concepto del idioma castellano/espanhol
diariamente.

Jose F. Otero
DonQ@acs.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: jcastroc@lazy.helios.nd.edu (Jose Maria Castro Ceron)
Subject: Re: CASTELLANO or ESPAN~OL, MEXICO or MEJICO? Help me
Reply-To: jcastroc@lazy.helios.nd.edu (Jose Maria Castro Ceron)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:21:56 GMT


Con relativa frecuencia aparecen en la red articulos versando sobre linguistica, gramatica, semantica, ortografia, etc. En concreto, el tema de ESPANOL/CASTELLANO, y el de MEJICO/MEXICO son tambor de marina. Creo haber dicho lo que sigue en otra ocasion, pero a peticion de Bill ahi va de nuevo.

Los terminos espanol y castellano son perfectos sinonimos (de acuerdo con la Academia). Castellano denomina a la lengua de la que estoy haciendo uso por el lugar de origen (Castilla), y espanol por la gente que la habla (los espanoles de ambos hemisferios segun "La Pepa"). Hasta 1923 la Academia usaba castellano para referirse a su diccionario y a la gramatica; luego cambio abruptamente a espanol. Si consideras que la Academia marca la pauta, hoy en dia el termino "oficial" que no el unico correcto seria e




spanol. Sin embargo los dos se usan comunmente, dependiendo de la region donde estes y de con quien hables. Por lo general la eleccion de uno u otro vocablo, y aqui viene lo triste, no es una cuestion linguistica sino politica (no creo que la lengua debiera mezclarse con la politica).

Con respecto a Mejico/Mexico, el segundo es el original, ya que asi lo escribian los espanoles en el siglo XVI. Despues la x se sustituyo por la j en Espana, no asi en el pais azteca. Luego Mejico es simplemente una consecuencia de la evolucion de las lenguas, que no nos olvidemos son algo vivo. Las dos palabras son correctas y estan admitidas por la Academia. Esta recomienda logicamente el uso de Mejico en Espana, y de Mexico en el mismo. Igualmente hace la Academia Mexicana de la Lengua, ya que todos los




 paises iberoamericanos tienen una academia (y algunos no hispanos como EE.UU. Rusia, etc.), y todas ellas estan federadas, de tal modo que lo admitido por una es automaticamente aceptado por todas. Aunque desafortunadamente parece ser que muchos no lo saben. En este caso el uso va mas en funcion de la geografia, pero tambien aqui hay mucha politica.

Espero haberte respondido Bill, y a otros muchos.
Un abrazo.
Jose Maria.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Pa Ana Maria, la madrile
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 20:20:41 EST
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>


Mi estimada Ana Maria...despues de leer lo que escribiste, me da pena que
pienses asi de nosotros, los latinoamericanos. Quizas te sientas un poco
deprimida por estar tan lejos de tu hogar, como te ha defendido tu amigo
Erik, pero eso no te da derecho de insultarnos. Espero que en la proxima
tengas mas tacto al expresar lo que sientes o piensas para no originar
malentendidos entre la gente.
Saludos de un paraguayo que pide disculpas por "arruinar" tu espa#ol.

Antonio.
From: palst9+@PITT.EDU (Pablo Lanza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Mejico y Mexico
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:23:34 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Pablo Lanza <palst9+@PITT.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


En un articulo anterior, jcm@cfm.brown.edu (Javier Cruz-Mena) dice:


 >        No es que los mexicanos no respetemos el diccionario de
 >la Real Academia ni, para el caso, a la Academia misma. La nuez
 >del problema consiste en que la Real Academia de la Lengua Expa~ola,
 >como sucede tambie'n con demasiados ibe'ricos, prefiere ignorar
 >oli'mpicamente la eleccio'n que los mexicanos hemos hecho para
 >designar a nuestro pa'is. Asi' es de simple... y de cabro'n.
---------------------------------------------------------------


Entonces debemos decir y escribir London en vez de Londres?. Porque London
es el nombre que eligieron los londinenses, y la RAE, que es muy cabrona,
se lo cambio por Londres (seguramente por eso de joder). Y que tal Geneva
por Ginebra?, y Firenza por Florencia?, y New York por Nueva York?.

Tu llamas a tu pais Mexico, y yo Mejico. Asi de simple.









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From: QHISPANO@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA (Queens University Club Hispano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: ortografia
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:22:36 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Queens University Club Hispano <QHISPANO@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
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se nota que aqui no nos ponemos de acuerdo tampoco :)
me encanta esta lista porque hay tantas opiniones!
W.T.
From: iruiz@lister-01.strath.ac.uk (Inigo Ruiz IE90)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Carnet De Conducir
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:20:38 GMT


	Hola a todas/os de nuevo :-)

	Vereis, tengo un peque~o problema...nada parecido a los problemas de

"soc.culture.spain" :-))

	Hace un a~o que me saqu'e el carnet de conducir de coche aqu'i en 

Escocia y espero tener el de moto para antes de Navidades. El otro d'ia,

hablando con un colega de Madrid, me dijo que para el de Moto tendr'e que 

volver a examinarme, transcurrido un a~o, una vez que vuelva a Iru~a (Pamplona).

	Yo cre'ia que con lo de la CEE no ser'ia necesario examinarse en los 

dos paises (creo que para el de coche no tengo que volver a examinarme). Bien:

Sabe alguien cual es la situaci'on con respecto a todo este asunto?

	Gracias a todos por vuestras respuestas :-)

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From: serrano@ATHENA.BERKELEY.EDU (Paco Garcia-Serrano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Busco Opresores
Date: 7 Nov 1992 14:52:59 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
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Reply-To: Paco Garcia-Serrano <serrano@ATHENA.BERKELEY.EDU>
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?Te vale como opresor "el Presi" del BOTONES SACARINO?  Si realmente los
quieres serios y bien educados creo que Don Pantunflo Zapatilla seria mas
adecuado. Si necesitas mas me lo dices.
Sacarino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: baloncesto
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:36:46 EST



? Alguien sabe como va la liga de basquet en EspaNa ?


faraz.rabbani@canrem.com

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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:33:40 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Nov10.055831.7453@mtu.edu> yuchao@mtu.edu (YUAN-NING  CHAO) writes:
>
>   In fact, when a woman says "No," sometime means "Yes" but 
>   sometime means "No," and even worse, sometime means "Nothing." 
>   (especially Chinese) 
>

Well, there's that old that when a lady says "no", she means "maybe",
and when she says "maybe", she means "yes", and if she says "yes",
she's no lady.  (The second part of the joke is that when a diplomat
says "yes", he means "maybe", when he says "maybe", he means "no",
and if he says "no", he's no diplomat...)  :-)

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mchung@ee.tamu.edu (Maranatha Chung)
Subject: Swan Lake subscription
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:24:47 GMT

Is there a way to subscribe the magazine "Swan Lake" from the US?
If anyone know anything about it, would you please send me some
information about it?

Private email is more than welcome at mchung@ee.tamu.edu

Thanks in advance.

Maranatha
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Military Reunification
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:09:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.

In article <1daeliINNf42@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> tseng-neill@yale.edu (Neill Tseng) writes:
>
>	No, YOUR history is wrong.  First of all, Cairo and Potsdam 
>	declarations express the wartime expectations of only THREE of the
>	allied powers.  They are not legal documents and they were never 
>	ratified.  The issuants lacked the authority to institute a policy
>	revision of the expressed scope in the first place.  Wartime
>	declarations by one side cannot legally dispose of an enemy's
>	territory.  It does not have the legal effect of a postwar treaty.

Well, IMO, this is *way* too idealistic a position.  For example, the *Yalta*
protocols were carried out, despite never having been ratified by the American
Congress, the British Parliament, or the United Nations.

>	General MacArthur simply instructed the KMT on China to accept the
>	surrender of Japanese on Taiwan, and to exercise administrative control
>	"as a trustee on behalf of the Allied Powers."  This in no way gave
>	Taiwan to China.  As further evidence, MacArthur asked the KMT to also
>	temporarily occupy Northern Vietnam, yet no one argues that the Chinese
>	have a claim to that nation.

I think you're getting too technical here.  For example, Poland seized East
Prussia and parts of West Prussia out of former German territory and annexed
them.  Yet no one (currently) argues that the land is Polish.  Same for parts
of Lithuania and Czechoslovakia.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:22:10 CST
Originator: kao@sun-29.cae.wisc.edu


In article <1992Nov7.230855.6437@hellgate.utah.edu>, tsay%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Chey-Woei Tsay) writes:
|> I just read the book "Subtle is the Load -- The Science and the Life of
|> Albert Einstein" written by A. Pais. According to the book, Einstein
|> also managed to avoid the military service (German). He did this because
|> he was terrified by the soldiers in a parade who followed the line
|> without own thought.
|> 
|> Any comment?
|> 
|> tsay

It is not exactly right to compare Einstein to German army in late 19th
 centry, early 20th centry with ROC citizen to the ROC army now.

Remenber Einstein is a Jew and the German were not very kind to Jew. Second,
the German army was loyal the the king of German not to the people at that
time. ( I hope I remenber the  German history correctly.) Third, the German
army was an offensive force and the ROC is a offensive force. In my opion, the
third point makes the greatest difference, an offensive force is going to
start a war , to start the killing, but a defensive force is to protect their
homeland, protect its family and wife.


Judging from the circumstances, I don't blame Einstein had avoided
 the service. Of course, this is my personal opinion. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:09:54 CST
Originator: kao@sun-30.cae.wisc.edu


In article <1992Nov11.181238.26271@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

|> 
|> And is that good?  As long as there's harmony and not bloodshed, it might be
|> the best thing to split up.  If Yugoslavia had not been reformed by Tito (it
|> was broken up by the Germans in World War II) we probably won't be seeing the
|> Bosnian plight right now.
|> >


Today I had a discussion with my american officemates about the situation in
Yugoslavia. As usual when it came to human right, these Christian turned a little
bossy and thought they stood for human's conscience.

But I feel compelled to point out to them most of the masscre were commited by
Cristian against the muslium population in Yugoslavia. They thought I am kidding.

I like american. But when they become both bossy and ignorant, I really can
not stand them. 

Well what could I do? They are all my good friends and I enjoy their company
most of the times.

I left the room and continued my experiment. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:12:38 GMT

In article <9231621.7252@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>1)  he has not been living in a Chinese country for years, and his political
>ideas, and way of thinking might have been influenced by Western ideas.  If
>you didn't realize already, Westerners seem to believe in splitting up countries
>in order to bring short term harmony.  One noticable example is India, Iraq,
>and Egypt, all which the British encouraged to split up into 2 separate states.
>Whereas Chinese people like unity.

And is that good?  As long as there's harmony and not bloodshed, it might be
the best thing to split up.  If Yugoslavia had not been reformed by Tito (it
was broken up by the Germans in World War II) we probably won't be seeing the
Bosnian plight right now.
>
>2)  if he loves Taiwan, why has he been overseas all these time?  I don't
>care the fact that he is Taiwanese, but he has moved out of the place
>by his own choice.

Hmmm.  Like, he would be arrested and imprisoned if he had stayed in Taiwan?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: The One China, One Taiwan Policy
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:39:28 GMT

In article <82066@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.185446.43849@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wang1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>However, PRC has reiterated its intention to unify China with force. 
>>I think this policy could bring immediate threat to Taiwan priori to 
>>promoting the wellbeing and safety of twenty million Taiwanese people.
>
>The arguments against a "one China, one Taiwan" policy are starting to
>be more economic than military.  If Taiwan declares "independence,"
>then the Mainland may react by saying "if you want to be independent
>then be independent" and proceed to confiscate Taiwanese assets on the
>Mainland and shut down inter-strait trade.  After all, if Taiwan is a
>part of Greater China, then the Mainland has a reason for promoting
>inter-strait trade and business, but if it is independent, then the
>Mainland has no special obligation toward it.
>

Taiwan doesn't have to do business with China, but China needs Taiwan's 
investmnet desperately. Besides, most of the inter-strait business go 
through Hong Kong, if China shut off Taiwan's opportunity, Hong Kong will be 
hurt seriously which is against CCP's promise of keeping Hong Kong unchanged 
and prosperous for another 50 years. And also according to Fortune or 
Money magazine, most of the South Eastern Asia countries will will a bright 
economy in the near future, so there are many invetment opportunities than 
invetors. I doubt China can afford to lose any potential big investor for 
whatever reason. It is investor market not being invested market.

Yi-Chieh