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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:25:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>At the outset, I should make it clear that I do not condone male chauvinism
>very rampant everywhere in the world. But I think your parent's actions above
>were more for personal gain (they were afraid they might loose a slave!
>Besides, they would be acquiring another one in the process...) than anything
>else

How do \you know all the things you talk about? Why does everything have to 
satisfy you ?  Why should we believe in your methods without showing  us that
they produce results which are superior to our own. We surely can not  be 
expected to  replace wqrking ways with experiments which are known to yield
less good than disaster. How can you say that we are slaves of our parents ?
Why do you smother us with  baseless judgements.?
!
>The phenomenon you just described sounds more like one of the effects of
>divide-and-rule practiced by the regime, where the superficial differences
>between the various ethnic groups are sinfully manipulated.
>And you sound as if your family has been very nice to "_your_ servant".
>Maybe things should never change.....the slaves seem to be "proud" (not mad)
>as well!

You arrongance is frankly amazing. You are as judgemental as you are  ignorant.
You don't beleive that we can love yet we have an unsurpassed record on family 
stability . Icould go to great lengths to narrate those  aspects of your culturewhich I don't agree with, but that would entail me to stoop to disgracefully
low levels.  The one thing I will not do is engage in a dicussion on this issue
with you because it simply is not your buisness.  Further more you don't understand us and besides which Africans generally keep aliens out of their domestic
affairs, unlike some people who dicuss social issues any where with any  one
.>


Makala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:04:00 GMT

In <1992Apr14.153555.920@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>In article <viking.703274884@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>>	A demand existed, there is nothing newfangled about it.  What do
>>you think most of the warfare prior to Europeans showing up was for?  It
>>was for loot, which included food, material goods, and slaves.  Remember,
>>you have to haul your loot back to wherever you came from, and the
>>logistics train is already having a hard time keeping your soldiers fed
>>and otherwise supplied.  Slaves work good as pack animals.
>>

>I think you are confusing the concept of "humans as a commodity for sale"
>with that of "prisoners of war". Surely you don't mean to say that the
>tens of thousands of Iraqis captured during the Gulf war were slaves!
>Indeed, the Zulus were expansionist in nature, but never for the reason
>of acquiring slaves!!! Let alone slaves for sale!!!

	No, the thousands of Iraqui's captured during the Gulf War were
not slaves; slavery is not a socially correct thing to do lately.  Prior
to this time, and the time varies among each culture (please make a
special note of culture, not race), slavery was considered fine.  It is
a given that the main reason for war prior to politicians leading the
military around (as opposed to military leaders ruling as politicians)
was the gathering of loot.  It makes no difference, morally, how they
were treated -- they were still slaves.  Furthermore, it is doubtful
if any distinction existed between "slave that was a former soldier"
and "slave for sale should I be given what I want for him."  Note that
I change the wording but keep your meaning as it was most likely known.

	These are slaves, not prisoners.  This whole argument has gone
far beyond my original intent, which was to show that race has nothing
to do with morality.  Blacks enslave and kill other blacks, and whites
enslave and kill other blacks.  Nowhere is it shown that the people of
Africa think of themselves of as blacks or as "brothers."  On the
contrary, they consisted of many ethnic groups, just as the whites
did.  The original claim I was opposing has since vanished on my site,
but I hope my arguments have caused a few to think that perhaps we
should judge others as *individuals* instead of blacks, whites, or
whatever other convenient group we can place them in.


<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >
From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:49:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1591@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence) writes:
>>>            Demand for slaves does not result in fulfillment unless other
>>>blacks are willing to sell their conquered neighbors.  Solidarity among
>>>the blacks could have defeated virtually any slavers you could dream of.
>>
>>Daniel I think I have to disagree with you here. I certainly don't
>>subscribe to this myth about solidarity defeating "virtually any
>>slavers...". The way I see it; it was the technological advantage as it
>>is today that determined/determines the victor.
>
>	Perhaps someone out there who is better versed in the history of
>	American slavery could answer a question for me.  One that has been
>	puzzling me for a long time.  Why would the early European settlers
>	of America go all the way to Africa to get slaves when they could just
>	use the abundant supply of Native Americans who were already on the
>	continent?  Popular culture in the U.S. (cowboy movies and such) would
>	suggest that it's because the Indians fought back and the Africans
>	didn't.  Indians are often depicted as being willing to fight fiercely
>	and die in order to maintain their aboriginal lifestyle, while one
>	never hears of such behavior in the Africans who were enslaved.  Is
>	there anybody out there more knowledgable in this area than cowboy
>	movies?  Was it because Africans were "better" slaves?  Were
>	Indians respected more by the European settlers or thought to be more
>	"white"?  Perhaps Indians were just more likely to run away, because
>	they had better skills for surviving in the American wilderness.
>

Indians fought back and where are they now ? You are referring to
apologist movies from Hollywood made by the conquerers. Many Indians
- well the few who have managed to survive were amused by last years
best academy picture - that Dances with ...., what ? 

Maybe Africans were more able bodied.

Itiakorit

>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Russell Spence							 Austin, Texas
>
>What if we built this huge wooden badger?
From: samjay@kontu.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:10:40 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <1992Apr9.125305.8901@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (john kauta) writes:
> In article <92099.124520AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu> AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu>, lmweene@athena.mit.edu
>>(Haachitaba Mweene) says:
>>>
>> >Zairian musicians are the most popular and accomplished in Africa.
>>>They set the trends.  Shanachie records carry some of the more popular
>>>African musicians like Tshala Muana and tabu Ley. Check them out!
>>>
>>>Haachitaba
>>
>>I hope you will provide some evidence to support your statement that they are t
>>he most popular and most accomplished in Africa. The African continent has so
>>much beautiful music-- west African, east African, south African. It is not pos
>>sible in my opinion to say a country/region is more accomplished than others.
>>I wonder if these Zairean musicians are popular in West Africa, North Africa...
>>---
>>Akin Akioye
> 
> You guys are forgetting "Chimurenga Music" by de Leon of Zimbabwe. In my
> opinion, nobody should be put in a position to choose between Thomas Mapfumo
> and Kanga Bongo Man! (not that anybody said so).
> 
> However, as far as dancing is concerned, the high-energy Zairean beat is
> hard to beat!


	This is hard to adjudge. I think eveyone must agree that the continent
	is resourceful in music. What is superior is a matter of individual's
	inclinination, taste and different moods.
	It is unfair to undermine the contribution of the works of such gurus
	as Fela Kuti, Manu Dibango, Youssour N'dour, Hugh Masekela, Salif Keita
	King Sunny Ade, Miriam Makeba, The great musicians of Congo & Zaire....
	(the list goes on and on). These artists have produced powerful
	ryhthyms irrespective of the regions or countries they hail from.
	The fact is: one is spoilt for choice !!! A wandering enthusiast
	wouldn't restrict himself to one region; not the least to one country.

						-- Sammy Jayeola.

						*e-mail:
						   samjay@kontu.cc.utu.fi
						   sjayeola@finabo.abo.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: sl55050@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SauWai )
Subject: A Short Survey For International Students, Like To Check It Out?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:15:03 GMT


Hi,
	I'm doing a research about international students and their life in 
US.  I would appreciate it very much if you can take a few minutes and answer
the following questions as truthfull as you can.  Thank you very much.


1. Did you have any problems with communication?(language barrier) (Y or N)
2. Did you have difficulties meeting friends? (Y or N)
3. Did you encounter any major financial problems? (Y or N)
4. Did you experience any academic problems due to the new learning environment?(Y or N)
5. Have you heard of the counseling service for international students on you
   campus? (Y or N)

   Suppose you have heard about it and decided to go to seek counseling help:

6. Would you have a preference to have a counselor who has the same ethnic 
   background as you do? (Y or N)
7. Would you have a preference over the gender of your counselor? (Y or N)
8. Would you like to have "peer counseling"? (Y or N)
   (Have the same background as you)
9. Do you think it is helpful for you to adapt to the new enviroment :
       a. joining an ethnic organization (Y or N)
       b. having more cultural events taking place on campus(Y or N)
       c. going to workshops such as for stress manangement, studying skill etc.
	  (Y or N)
10. Would you seek help from the counseling center if you ever encounter
    any problems such as those mentioned above?(Y or N)
11. Do you have any inputs that you like to give?

Except for question 11, you can just answer y or n.  Once again I like to thank
	you for your time.

			 			Karen Lau
					        charles@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu



Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:1864 soc.culture.african.american:4599
From: clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Christopher L Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: You trippin/Path: Ra.MsState.Edu!clg1
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:02:20 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher):

>>I could give several fucks about how *correct* my grammEr is. ##:)

 > Congratulations,  it is obvious. Not very bitter are you

hahahahahah!... *rolls over on the floor and continues to laugh*..

>>Many props ... if I could fuck up the English gibberish/gobblygook 

  >You do incredibly well without even trying.

Thanks, got it from your granny.

>>P.(mf)S. DON'T EVER let people getcha down cause you can't master the 
 English thing, 

[SORRY MF EDITOR OF YOURS COULDN'T MAKE ANOTHER ARROW COULD IT MR ENGLAND?] ##:)

 >Can't master English?  What ever happened to your "Code Switching" cop-out?
 >There are black people who speak English really well.  There are also those
 >who don't.  One way to smooth over an inadequacy is to discount the entire
 >issue. Well done!

Another way is to flame your retared ass for wasting my time like this..you drip.
And i AINT talking about a nasal drip e-der.

You ignant fuck, i never advocated code-switching. Anyone with their heads out
of their asses remember that I vehemently opposed it, calling it dangerously
schizophrenic(howse dat for spelling? ##:)

>It's with this very technique that I rule professional basketball out of
>my classification of true competition sports.

WHO GIVES A FUCK?

>I can't play basketball like 99.9% of the NBA players,  therefore I vote to change the game
>just as was done to "suit" Wilt.

>Even though you don't care to speak my language,
>you should be able to see the correlation.

*Yarrrrrrrrnnnnnnn* yeah, whateva.






-- 
BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS
                          B
Mr. Christopher L. Gray   L  "If the truth hurts, 
clg1@ra.MsState.edu       *   then, you'll be in pain!"           
Mississippi State U.      A    --- Sista Souljah, PE 
                          K
BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 15:35:45 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
 <1992Apr7.235128.28250@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
 <1992Apr8.091943.6986@comp.vuw.ac.nz>

In article <1992Apr8.091943.6986@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz
(Amos &) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.235128.28250@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
>kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (john kauta) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.020525.1709@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz
>(Amos Omondi) writes:
>>>
>>>I know a fellow who goes around claiming that a group of Martians are poised
>to
>>>attack earth and destroy all living things here.  Most people who listen to
>what
>>>he says just shake their heads and walk away in silence.  I think the
>silence
>>>proves that the fellow is right.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>WHAT SHIT IS THIS???????!!!!!!
>
>
>Sigh... why do I bother ...
>
Amos, while I would not have put it in the above words, I have to admit I was w
ondering what the point of that story is.  (though for some reason it cracks me
up).

Sofia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Trip to Kenya
Keywords: kenya
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:29:57 GMT

Hi, everyone.  I am new to this group, so forgive me if this question was
asked recently.

I would love to visit Kenya on a severely limited budget that I have.  I
was contemplating one of those student group tour.

Does anyone here have experience with it?  Is there any other economic way
to go visit Kenya?  I can pretty much sleep anywhere as long as it is warm,
and I can eat pretty much any food.

How much should I expect to pay for a round trip airfare from Chicago to
Kenya?

Please e-mail me the response.  Thank you very much in advance.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:25:22 -0500

>>> (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
>>>	I'll take this one step further and claim that it wasn't white
>>>people who were responsible for slavery, but a few individuals, their
>>>color having nothing to do with the morality of their actions.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If "color had nothing to do with the morality of their actions", why didn't
these "few individuals" trade in Caucasian slaves AT THAT TIME?????
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: chess@Ice.McRCIM.McGill.EDU ()
Subject: Democracy and Africa
Organization: McGill University, McRCIM
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:46:50 GMT



One of my Canadian friends in the office asked me about the lack of democracy
in most african countries.

After thinking for a while, the only logical explanation I could come up
was the fact that the borders of african nations were drawn up in europe 
without much local consultations. Hence different groups of people(tribes)
ended up being called citizens (?) of a country, which was formed overnight.
The boundaries of these countries were drawn up purely on economic advantages.
This process also occured in South America and South Asia.

Hence one party states have been very effective in preventing ethnic 
fighting and disintegration as in Yugoslavia, USSR ,etc . 
Furthermore politicians who capitalize on racial differences have 
had no say upto now. I hate to see the day when such politicians begin
campaigning on the streets of Africa. This process has already started
in South Africa.

My point here is that even though "one party states" have been ineffective
in providing alternate views and competition ,but they have worked well as 
far as holding a nation together. Remember " One Zambia One Nation", KK has
been able to hold Zambia together despite the economic chaos.

I hope legislation is brought up so that political parties can be formed
only on economic , social and political lines and parties that adopt any
attitude of racial hatred are banned in newly democratized nations in Africa.

Can anybody think of any other LOGICAL reason for this observation (ie 
lack of democracy in most african countries).


Regards

K.G.S
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:22:14 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <92099.153545U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.091943.6986@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz
>(Amos &) says:
>>
>>In article <1992Apr7.235128.28250@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
>>kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (john kauta) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr8.020525.1709@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz
>>(Amos Omondi) writes:
>>>>
>>>>I know a fellow who goes around claiming that a group of Martians are poised
>>to
>>>>attack earth and destroy all living things here.  Most people who listen to
>>what
>>>>he says just shake their heads and walk away in silence.  I think the
>>silence
>>>>proves that the fellow is right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>WHAT SHIT IS THIS???????!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Sigh... why do I bother ...
>>
>Amos, while I would not have put it in the above words, I have to admit I was w
>ondering what the point of that story is.  (though for some reason it cracks me
>up).
>
>Sofia


The moral of the parable if this: If you say something that is extremely stupid and 
nobody responds, it does not mean that you are right; it simply means that you said 
something extremely stupid.
From: tun@PHY.UCSF.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: testing IGRNORE !!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:35:32 GMT

testing --
From: panya@sl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Panyarak Ngamsritragul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Domain names in Thailand? Need opinions
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:16:43 GMT
	<9209318.12751@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
	<PANYA.92Apr6112947@gammahp.sl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
	<2206@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>
Organization: Sakai-Kamata Lab., Dept. of Mech. Eng., Univ. of Tokyo, Japan.
In-reply-to: itthi@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au's message of 6 Apr 92 08:16:20 GMT


In article <2206@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> itthi@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Itthi Trisirisatayawong) writes:

  >>|>For me, I would prefer ac.th, co.th, or.th, mi.th,  just because they are
  >>|>short and can maintain the meanings.
  >>
  >>I agree. And to be a bit more aggressive, why not a.th, c.th, o.th, m.th?
  >>We'll save 2 characters for each domain ;-).
  >>
  >>Itthi

No kidding !  It is possible to just use one character for the top domain
like my last posting.  The reason is very simple, I don't think there will
be a lot of top domains.  But if you want a name which can be understood
easily without using much of your memory, then a longer name is preferable.
8-)

-Panyarak
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Thailand's 19th Prime Minister, Suchinda Kraprayoon
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.075421.8@tla.dec.com> 
linitda@tla.dec.com writes:
>...................................
>  "I am serving the country as a civilian and not as a general. I believe I
>must be patient and I must be able to take the criticisam and finally go
>through with it, " ......................................................

OK you got it Bug Su. My first (and most constructive) criticism is:
"Why don't you just dissappear into the womb of the girl of your
grandaughter's age that you laid your hand on in front of your wife?"

If your ego is too big for such containment, try the next best thing:
the hell. And don't expect that you'll find Mr. Tanong there; 
he probably has been reborn as a human being; and you'll probably
be reborn as his toilet paper.

So, do your job well Mr. Prime Minister. Don't dissapoint the gods.
You still have your chance to upgrade your rebirth to be a lower-grade
toilet paper (so low that Mr. Tanong doesn't want to use).
From: psuttiyo@metz.une.oz.au (Peerasak Suttiyotin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Suchinda New Prime Minister
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia
Originator: psuttiyo@metz.une.oz.au

In article <1992Apr9.030341.8303@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> 
fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:

>....................................
>
>To the unusualy rich guys, TaSu is the most
>effective guy to get them off the hook. Once off the hook,
>they might try to get rid of him by a no-confidence vote
>(which should be coordinated under the table with the
>opposition parties of course).
>
>Now TaSu is deservedly paid retribution for his bad karma.
>He will have no party to join. No Army to command. No female
>singer's thighs to laid his hand on.
>

Don't forget that his brother-in-law, General Issarapong Noonpakdi, 
takes over as army chief while air force head Air Chief Marshal Kaset 
Rojananil becomes supreme commander.

We might be ready for another coup again :( :(

Peerasak
psuttiyo@metz.une.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: jxk5498@usl.edu (Kittivarapong Jakkarin)
Subject: Wanted : Tubed Amplifier modifier in Thailand
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:07:08 GMT

I have previously posted  a question regarding a tubed amplifier.  I would
like to elaborate my intention for people in this news group.
I plan to go home soon and want to buy a amp. to have it modified in Bangkok
due to the cheap labor and high quality job.
Can anyone advise me ?  Thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai