HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:54:35 GMT

In <18040@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>Someone I know of (but never met) has recently commited suicide, and it's
>had rather an unsettling affect on me. Oh I'm not suicidal myself, but I'm
>disturbed to find for the first time that I understand why someone might do
>that, why they just can't face whatever is getting them down any longer.
>[...] In the past I've always been of the "how could anyone do that?"
>school of thought.

I also used to be of that same school of thought until 3 years ago when
I was in my final year as an undergratuate. The pressure on me to do
well (most of it self-applied pressure) was enormous, especially near
the end of the year. I felt seriously depressed for about three weeks.
Of course, being of a "stiff-upper lip" and all that, I couldn't confide
in anybody about the stress I was under. After about three weeks I know
that I couldn't go on for much longer in the same state of mind. I
wasn't suicidal, but I knew that I _could_ be if my depression didn't
lift soon.

I managed somehow take a step back from myself and look at my situation
somewhat objectively. The cause of my depression/stress was a desire to
get a first class honour in my finals and knowing that I would have to
study, say, 70 hours a week to have a chance of scraping that grade.
Then I realised that if I didn't give a toss about my grades, the
_worst_ I would do in the exams would be a pass or a low honour. While
I would be disappointed with that (becuase it would be below my
potential), there would be no shame attached. My folks wouldn't be
ashamed of me. The self-imposed stress had been caused by thinking that
I _had_ to get a first class honour and that anything less would be a
failure. Once I realised this was _not_ the case, the self-applied
pressure dropped and I snapped out of my depression.

Over the last few weeks I again felt depressed (though thankfully, not
so severely as I had in final year). Eventually, a just two or three
days ago, I managed to pinpoint out what it was that was affecting me
so badly and, more importantly, I figured out a way to sort it out.
It's not sorted out yet (it will take a few weeks), but I _can_ sort it
out, and so I now feel as if I have control over my life again.

People's milage varies quite a lot so I've no idea if the above
ramblings will be of relevance to anyone else.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Joke
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.175508.18538@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis) writes:
>
>In a previous article, johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) says:
>>>>
>>>>   Now, "package store", that's a new one....
>>>
>>>It's a (gratuitous) New Englandism.  
>>
>>Correction.  It's a Massachusettsism.  I grew up in Vermont, and was
>>perplexed as hell the first time I went to Boston and heard the term
>>"package store."
>
>Where in Vermont did you grow up?  

Fayston.  Don't bother trying to find it on a map, but it is smack dab
in the middle of the state, in the Mad River Valley.

>I thought I remembered frequenting 
>something that called itself a ``package store'' that was just on the
>other side of the Vermont border.  I may be remembering wrong, and it
>is a term driven by state liquor laws, so I wouldn't be surprised if
>it didn't propagate very far from the border.

Maybe they were catering to out-of-staters, being so close to the
border.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||            -- My Bloody Valentine
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:34:30 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>|    "Just call me one of the nice people"     |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
>|                               Dave Berry     |cliveg@compulink.uucp |

Actually, I don't remember saying that.  Which doesn't mean that I didn't
say it :-)

One of the workshops proposed the word "nice" to mean bisexual, analogous
to "gay" for homosexual.  I remarked that someone at the EBG suggested
the word "interesting".  Then we would not only have people complaining
about the bisexual hi-jacking of a perfectly good word (:-)), but also
people saying "Who me?  Oh no, I'm not interesting, no, not at all...".

Dave.
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:36:19 GMT

cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:
|Hiya all, I'm back after getting home about midnight from Norwich. I'm
|utterly knackered (dead beat) and feeling the usual bump one gets when
|leaving Bi space and coming back into something approaching normal.

The "real" world feels flat in comparison. 

|The Edinbugh crowd will have had a hell of a drive back, the drive down
|must have taken 8-hours and they left after I left (which was 7:00pm).
|So they're gonna be out of it for a few days. Bill (Gamie) I hope you
|secured the best seat on the Bus for Bethan?...

I've just resurfaced. I don't recall whether it was 3.45 or 4.45 i got
home but i was tired. The less said about how we felt, the better. Ugh.

|      ... then there was the aforementioned Bill with his flugel-valve
|sexual orientation chart (no, don't ask....),

Flugelhorn sexual orientation valve actually :-) but please don't ask. 
My ribs still hurt from laughing.  All i'm saying is that it's amazing
the uses Bill can dream up for a lilo pump :-), and the garments he has. 

Lots of wonderful people.  A special mention for Bill, Kate
(unfortunately not on the net), Dave, Clive (hugs), Sara, Alex, Bethan,
Owen, and many other non-net bis.  Apologies if i miss out anyone but my
brains are addled from that drive.  Our driver was impressive and more
thanks to her. 

Angi
--
"My name is Hopkins ..., Sara Hopkins ..., double oh six." Bill Gammie
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:24:28 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) wrote...
>sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>>Seems like what you're looking for here Iseult is a nice little *bottom*
>>to whip with your crutch.
>Seems to me, girl, that you're stirring |-)
Sara stir?  Now who could imagine such a thing?

>> not to mention the unfortunate
>>fact that none of the airlines appear to be regarding shirt buttons as
>>legal currency just now, inconsiderate swines. 
>Damn, how am I going to get to California now? Anyone with a large suitcase?
You could go as someone's pet.  But you'd have to be put in a 
kennel with a collar on.  Think you could handle being this much of
a bottom?

Ellen
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:48:44 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <BtIHA8.Lpo@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

> Got it going today, which seems a fitting birthday present...

Cue music, lights, song...Happy Berthday 2u...

///Peter
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:31:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boomboom

In article <la4siqINN8ff@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky) writes:
>
>
><big breath>
>
>Hello!
>
Hi Emily!

>After reading soc.bi for a coupla months now, I decided that it was time
>to take the plunge and de-muffin.  Everyone here seems like an extremely
>nice group of people, and I wanted to get in on all the hugs ;^) 
>

I've noticed everyone here is extremely nice too and I want to get in
on the hugs too, so I guess I'm de-muffining too!  (Phew, that wasn't
so bad I guess :^)  )
    
>I just recently came out to my dearest love, and boy, what a relief!
>

Well, I came out to my dearest love, my husband to be exact and it 
backfired.  See it all started when we first started dating, I told him
I was bisexual and he said great, no problem.  (He was assuming that I would
always bring my friend home and he would get to join in.)  A year 
later I gave him a "what if..."  What if I found someone and this person
didn't want to share?  He again said no problem, great!  Well, three years
later I did meet someone who didn't want to share and my husband had a 
rough time with it.  Now, we had an open marriage.  He got to go out and
meet, and date, and well whatever else.  After a few months of seeing my
girlfriend my husband decides to get angry with the situation.  He 
unfortunately started drinking heavily and our arguments started getting
more violent.  I just recently left him and moved in with my SO, Stacy.
I'm happier than I've ever been and my daughter is too.  (Being a five
year old she understood the tension in the house and is relieved that it's 
over and loves Stacy to death!)

Because this happened recently, I still feel really guilty about leaving
my husband (he had to move back in with his mother, he's 25, I'm 29 and
the bread winner).  I guess sometimes when I put my happiness in front
of others I feel bad.  Anyone out there have any kind words or hugs, or
anything else they want to give me ;^)

Thanx for listening!

--
lori.cotton@west.Sun.COM	|   "If I can't be trusted with a choice, then
SunSoft, Inc.			|    how can I be trusted with a child."
Los Angeles, CA			|	Source -- Bumper Sticker
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Omaha! Omaha! Omaha!
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:51:50 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug28.233638.10444@nwnexus.WA.COM>, elf@halcyon.com (Omaha Sternberg) writes:
> 
>       (Omaha is blushing heavily now...all this attention she's used to
> seeing on the stage). Elf will let me post more often, but actually I will

Just what did you have to do to get him to agree to this, then :-)

> soon have an account of my own to post from...I'm now a U of W student, so I
> can get access from their machines. Don't know when, though. Sometime in the
> next month.

Neato. We look forward to it.

///Peter

Xref: sparky soc.bi:11799 alt.polyamory:1153
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:38:20 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>>asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu
>"Ciaran's in the middle! Ciaran's in the middle!"

   How did he get there? Normally I notice these sorts of things...

   Ah ha! But now I'm in the middle too! Heh heh heh...


>>   Damn right. If the linguists want a Bi pamphlet too, I might make
>>one for them if they ask nicely. 8->
>
>Well, sirrah, I'm a cogsci wannabe, even *before* I became aware of the lovely
>and cognitolingual Bethan (btw, Bethan, if you know Ivan Derzhanski over there
>in cogsci, say hello to him for me), and I *would* demand a Bi pamphlet...
>only I'm already bi :) . Well, double-virgin bi, but whatever :)

   Cog Sci! I've basically done a Cog Sci degree, but with Pure Maths
instead of Psych. Heaps of linguistics...


>>   (Although another Uni in our state recently inaugurated a GL*B*
>>group, first I've ever heard of in Australia).
>Now, this wasn't Melbourne Uni... so where is it I go do my postgrad again? :)

   Swinburne. We got a letter from them last week inviting us to see
Salmonberries with them this Tuesday, but we got it too late to pass onto
our members. Karina & I were going to go, but I stayed up all night Monday
and so was asleep all Tuesday afternoon & evening, and Karina couldn't
get there in time from a course she had on beforehand.

   But yeah, a GLB Society. Not bad. When some Swinburne people turned up
to those intercampus nights we've been having at the Glasshouse, they
said they didn't have enough people yet for a society. They were very
sympathetic about our problems about being Bi at LaTrobe. Obviously they
listened & remembered. I'm going to write them a big thank-you note.


>Considering there is more than one bisexual even in this fair institution... 

   Quite a few it seems. (Hi Tim! 8->).


>>>You might also give the phone number for the nearest les/gay
>>>information line.
>>   Maybe, but I had qualms about how Bi-friendly they'd be. 
>
>Give the number anyway. Better than nothing.

   I wonder. I've considered ringing them up as a "troubled about feeling
Bi" person just to see what they'd say.

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:49:10 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <37253@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.204233.23361@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>+It makes going to the supermarket (food mall) an entertaining field trip.
>+Digestive Biscuits were the closest thing we found to Graham Crackers and
>+that's not very close.
>Digestive Biscuits don't sound like something that would quell the
>sexual appetite like Mr. Graham's coarse grain crackers.

Hah! *You* get digestive biscuit crumbs under your foreskin and see how
your sexual appetite dwindles...

				Kay


-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Scottish jokes (as in, jokes that only work in dialect...)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:52:31 GMT

<_NO_ cracks about my dialectical typing--I know it sucks...>

Back in WWII, a recent English recruit was quite worried about his 
pending assignment to France.  Not speaking the language, and all,
he was worried about how to ask for food and such from the natives.
So he went to his Scottish friend for advice, his friend having just 
returned from the area.

"It's verra simple, me lad.  Say you want an egg--you say "urf", and 
she hands ye an egg."

"Well, what if I want two eggs?"

"Och, then ye say "twa urf" and ye gie the silly auld wifie one back!"

Piglet, blushing at the thought of having attempted to post an
accent joke...
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:42:00 GMT


A recent train of thought (Starting from reflections on a gay, male
friend likening his friendship with a certain female and his friendship
with me) led me to some new thoughts (for me at least) about my own
biases and perhaps one of the reasons some homosexuals have what we've
termed 'biphobia' 

(I expect others have said this same thing, probably recently and in a
better way but oh well -- You may hit N as soon as the little prompt
pops up for you..)

As a bisexual, I have what might be termed a facination with both male
and female bodies.  Since this is normal for me (Has been for a long
time -- Long before I would admit such a thing to myself), I somehow
expect it to be normal for everyone else.

So, in blatant disreguard for others' rights to be themselves the only
judge of who they are/should be attrated to, I still wonder (To myself)
how anyone could fail to be attracted by a beautiful female body, how
anyone could fail to be attaacted to a beautiful male body.

This internal disbelief of someone's ability to be a mono (A term I
probaly should dislike because it is another way for me to separate
myself from other people) could probably seem similar to a heterosexul
trying to tell a gay man that if he'd just *try* a woman, he'd decide he
liked it, and somehow amazingly become hetero.  

'Could probably seem'?  That's putting it lightly.  It's the exact same 
thing.   I'm guilty of the same fault as the one I abhor in others: by 
not accepting the sexuality of others as valid, I'm just as bad as one
of the many homophobes that seem to prevade this planet.  

It's awful for me to see myself as guilty of the same crimes others are:
Presuming a One True Way..  But yet when I take a step back and look at
the meaning of some of my thoughts.. I see that I'm no better..

(God -- I hope I've completely missed the mark on this one, as far as
thinking that others are doing the same.  These thoughts are ones that
I'm going to vigorously squash from now on..)

Jeff

PS Question -- If you believe that each person should be able to have
his own beliefs, how can you react to one who believes that all should
believe his way without being a hypocrite?

-- 
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From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:33:29 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug24.135150.13653@nwnexus.WA.COM>, elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
> which I get sexually arroused is `sex' to me. And these wrestling matches
> get me HOT! Oh, and by the way, YOU broke the first bed, remember. You
> flopped down and then we heard that wonderful `crack' sound. Hmmpf! Try to

Hey, do I detect competition in the bed-breaking stakes?

///Peter
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:39:32 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) said...
>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) wrote...
>                        ^^^^^
>I thought it was Slutsa.  (though I guess either works....)

"Call me anything, just don't call me unempowered..."

>>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>>This is getting all the more interesting.  Have to think about what
>>>to tie him to.  Furniture is kinda scarce around the house at this
>>>moment.  We could just tie him to the deck itself....
>>
>>>Then there's that sale at Good Vibrations...
>>
>>And just what is it you are planning to buy in the sale?  <innocent smile>
>>
>>And when are you going to buy that sling you keep talking about?
>
>[But Good Vibes doesn't sell slings!]
>Fine, drag me out of the sling closet.  Oooooo, much better.

I thought you knew they did... Yeah, so they don't have it on tempting
display in the store (they'd have to keep pulling certain people out of
it) , but it is in the "Desirables" section of the catalog ;^)

>I have to find a place in the house that would support such a thing.
>The house is at least a century old so I have to be careful not
>to bring down the ceiling.  Tacky, you know?
>
>>Iseult - expecting more fun and frolics on Ellens deck!!!!!!
>[Protocol:  It's only half mine.]
>
>On the deck?  Hmmm, like the one at Grant's that masqueraded
>as a deck chair?  Naw, the more "traditional" ones seem more
>appealing.  Probably make great conversation pieces also.
>Coe, could you take a look on the deck and see if there
>are any possibile locations for such a creature?

Hmmmm, the outside roof overhang might do the trick... and there's
already hooks in it.  (Hooks all around the house... wonder about the
pervious occupants :^) )

>Missing the hot tub.  Two more daze in San Luis...

Looking forward to looking at constellations together (or perhaps just
seeing stars together...)

-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: OUT!
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:49:03 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion) said...
>wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow) writes:

>>Okay...I'm bi!...gee that wasn't too hard! I kind of 
>>like it.  Golly, this could be fun!

Hi John, and welcome... hope your demuffining has been pleasant <hug>
Now if you don't mind, i must follow up on a promised pounce...

(BTW, is washington.edu in Washington state?  If so, you live about
as far away (in the opposite direction) as Bill - you could come to
a Bay area party and get promises of pounces, too!)

>It is.
>
>>There I did it, now all I have to do is post it! If it works.
>
>It did.
>
>Hello, John.  Reading your post, I was nodding my head in recognition of
>some of the stuff I've gone through and am going through.  I was
>looking for an excuse to demuffin also, and...OHMYGOD, what have I done?

Hi cutie!  <mussing that lovely hair>  Found any non-geeks at CalTech 
yet?  (yes, i know there _are_ non-geeks there, it's just that upon our 
last conversation, Bill hadn't been able to locate any.)

Hope you are both having fun in bi-space :^)

<hugs>
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: rhiann@shelley.u.washington.edu (Sandy  Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: == No Subject ==
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:42:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.174214.22096
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug25.034441.22329@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>I do wonder if anyone has ever come up with a good 'pledge' to the
>gay rainbow flag?
>
>A somewhat anachistically inclined,
>Ellen
>
Funny you should ask.  My girlfriend, Rachel has written one, (It's not
in front of me either) and is putting it on rainbow tie-dyed t-shirts.
I'll try to remember to get the text from her.

Sandy
Bi by nature, Proud by Choice
.
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hot spots for bi's
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:44:33 GMT

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:

>>Extra special torture for you.  Bondage and being forced to look at us
>>having fun and frolics in the hot tub.

>Ouch, how evil can you get, Iseult, without actually dealing him the
>rubber end of your crutch as well.

I have stopped threatening people with the crutch.  Everybody seemed
to enjoy the rubber end way too much, making the crutches almost
unusable for their original purpose ... helping me to walk.

Which by the way I am doing admirably now!

Iseult.
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