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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: USENET Top 25 (1/16/92)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:18:15 GMT


matth@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Husman) <a Princeton grad> writes:

> Well...who is picking Penn over Princeton to win the Ivies? :-)
 
> (I've search innumerable magazines, they seem pretty evenly split
> between Penn and Princeton to me (with Columbia a consistent 3rd))
 
Thanks for the info.
 
My guess is that NC State is picking Princeton to win, and Villanova
is picking Penn.
 
As a Villanova grad, I was disappointed with their performance against
Penn on Tuesday.  Villanova came out 9-9, and then went 2-12.  They played
good defence, but couldn't shoot.  The announcers mentioned that in their
overtime loss against St. Mary's they blew a 14 point lead.
 
Haynes (the point guard transfer from Temple) had a number of turnovers, but
Freshman Kerry Kittles looked good.
 
Penn, unfortunately, also looked good.  At halftime, they showed highlights
of Penn's defeat of Villanova 10 years ago.  That Villanova team had
John Pinone and four future NBA players (Pinkney, Pressley, McClain and
Granger).  That team made it to the final 8.  I don't think this one will.
 
And you say Columbia is good, too?  Villanova has them coming up.
 
It is going to be a long season.
 
I was accepted to Duke for graduate school -- why didn't I go there?
 
Mark
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: GEORGETOWN BEAT
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:03:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Mourning and Ewing all in one?  Does this mean they'll lose to Villanova and
Princeton at the same time? ;-) 

Mike
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: PENN STATE WINS!!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:42:14 CST

In article <92347.162047RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>At Rec Hall this afternoon, the Nitanny Lions hit a 3-pointer with 1.1 seconds
>to go to tie James Madison 63-63.  In overtime, it was a grinder, but Penn
>State sunk two free throws with about 5 seconds to go before JMU nailed a
>3-pointer and the Lions held on for the 75-74 victory.  JMU is picked to win
>the Colonial conference and go to the NCAA Tournament.  WIth the win, the
>Lions improve to 3-2, and I think they are still in last place in the Big 10 -
>this means that every team in the Big 10 has a winning record.  It won't last,
>but it proves that the Big 10 is the definitely one of the strongest conference
>in the country.

First of all, Wisconsin sucks so bad, I think Penn State can take them.
I'm sure Salty, aka Paul Krueger, the UWM sports guru, will fill us in on
UW-Milwaukee's *upset* (I really don't think it's one) over Wisconsin today.

Secondly, I don't think a win over James Madison can show that the Big 10
is tough.  Northwestern would go to the NCAA every year if they were in
some of these conferences.
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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: BYU upset by Weber State
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:02:20 -0700

>>A pet peeve of mine...people labeling games "upsets" in the first week
>>  of the season.  I can understand if a 8-15 team beats a 22-3 team. Sure,
>>  call that an upset.  But a 2-1 team beating a 2-0 team at home.  No upset.
>>  BYU didn't deserve to be hyped "better" than Weber State.
> 
> Of course upsets can happen in the first week, even the very first game of the
> season.  If a 2-0 BYU team beat an 0-1 Michigan team anywhere, it would be an
> upset.  There is more to evaluating the strength of a team than its record, or
> lack of one.  Upsets are determined not by which team is better, but rather by
> which team is expected by most to win.  By this standard, the Weber win was
> indeed an upset.
> -- 

You stated my pet peeve exactly...So early in the season the media know very 
little about teams.  They guess, based on traditions and last year and 
returners.  But in the first week of a year, if a 2-0 BYU beats a 0-1 Michigan
that certainly isn't an upset.  It may upset the media's ego but on the court
is the best way of comparing two teams...

arthur
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:39:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'd say Kentucky answered quite a few questions tonight.  They went into one
of the most hostile environments imaginable, came back from down 10 points,
and pulled out a 20 point victory.

At one point, when this game was on the line, Jamal Mashburn simply took over
and dominated; it was about 10 mins into the 2nd half, and he scored 8 or
so unanswered points in a moment.  Mashburn may be the best forward to play
College ball since Larry Bir. ;)

A few UK fans seem to have underestimated Kentucky yet again (You know who
you are!)  Is it time to start talking "Unbeaten Championship" yet? ;)

Can anyone who saw this game explain what happened to Louisville?  Mentally
soft?  Crum consistently drafts excellent talent every year, but the results
always seem to be the same.

A few weeks ago, I thanked a UNC fan for Rozier.  Want him back? ;)

I feel very depressed for the Cardinals, I had hoped they could at least put
up a good fight on their home floor, but it is obvious they have a long way
to go.  On the other hand, I feel very happy for UK, who IMHO should be ranked
#1 in the nation right now. ;)

What force on earth can stop Jamal Mashburn? ;)

I guess I can look forward to Jason Osbourne and a guy named "Bozak Smith"
next year? ;)

Mike
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From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Subject: Clemson's Sharon Wright ACC POW for triple-double
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:40:58 GMT

For his triple-double last Saturday against UNC-Greensboro, Sharone
Wright was named the ACC player-of-the-week.  The 6-10 sophomore center
scored 21 points, 15 rebounds and 10 blocked shots.  It was only the
11th triple-double in ACC history, and the first since Kenny Anderson
did it in 1989 for Tech.  He became only the 8th ACC player to accomplish
a triple-double.  All three numbers were career highs.  

ACC Triple-doubles

1975 Tree Rollins, Clemson v. Presbyterian 20pt, 14rb, 10bs
1977 Tree Rollins, Clemson v. Duke 16pt, 15rb, 10bs
1978 Gene Banks, Duke v. Lehigh 13pt, 12rb, 11a
1979 Ralph Sampson, UVA v. Old Dominion 15pt, 22rb, 10bs
1980 Ralph Sampson, UVA v. Army 16pt, 14rb, 12bs
1986 Bruce Dalrymple, Tech v. UNC-Charlotte 14pt, 10rb, 10a
1987 Derrick Lewis, Maryland v. James Madison 29pt, 23rb, 12bs
1987 Derrick Lewis, Maryland v. UMBC 32pt, 10rb, 10bs
1987 Dennis Scott, Tech v. Alcorn St. 17pt, 10rb, 10a
1989 Kenny Anderson, Tech v. Pittsburg 32pt, 12rb, 18a
1992 Sharone Wright, Clemson v. UNC-Greensboro 21pt, 15rb, 10bs

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Sr. Systems Analyst    | mspercy@clemson.clemson.edu | your brain, but mine
Info. Sys. Development | mspercy@clemson.BITNET      | is really...bossy.
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Bobby Hurley SUMMARY
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:33:41 GMT

In article <BzAE8C.M3y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther) wrote:
> Damn, I hate to sound like a complete idiot again, 

Well, then you're definitely in the wrong newsgroup.  This is for people
who *like* sounding like complete idiots.  If you hate sounding like a
complete idiot, but do anyway, go over to r.s.baseball.

Hope this helps.
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Defending Louisville...
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:05:37 GMT

swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>Rozier is probably a head case.  He had an attitude problem at UNC before 
>he jumped off the UNC ship and swam over to UofL.

That's one hell of a swim.  No wonder he couldn't play last year.
Oh, it's a metapor!  I was never very good at those.

I don't think a couple of games is enough to damn Rozier to spend
eternity with the likes of Marvin Barnes.  Remember - the guy is
20 years old, and, while we certainly don't tolerate immature behavior
in this newsgroup, I think CR, or any college Freshman or Sophomore
is allowed a little slack.
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From: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Defending Louisville
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 

Michael Lerner writes:
ML>Since I seem to be the only UofL fan stupid enough to still be posting, ;)
ML>I might as well make some attempt at defending my team.  Well.

You are NOT the only UofL fan posting. <grin> I agree with everything
you said. Good points. AND the schdule doesn't get easier....DePaul Wed.
night then Ga.Tech on Sat. (on the road). Denny's non-conference
schedule is the toughest I've seen it in years.

....Gil

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From: George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re: Hurley anyone?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:59:27 GMT

In article <Bz2IHv.Dt5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson) writes:
>>> Not to flame, or to downgrade Hurley (I think he will be a solid pro
>>> player), but think about it -- what else are the pro players going to say?
>
>>Easy, they could have said nothing.  I was pretty into the Dream Team back
>>in June-July, and I remember seeing the pros talking after that scrimmage,
>>and they went out of their way to mention Hurley, and, as I recall, Webber.
>
>	U see, the point is -- just what questions were directed at the
>	dream team?  If they were asked about a particular players' 
>	performance, what else are they going to say but positive words?
>	Now, if the question of who's impressive was directed at the
>	dream team in general, then that might be the case.  But if they
>	asked, "How was Hurley", or "Was Webber tough on the boards", what
>	else are they going to say?
>	They didn't come out of the gym saying stuff like "Man, that
>	Hurley was something" did they?

	Yes, they did.  Except for Stockton.  Stockton got upset and refused 
to answer when someone asked him how Hurley did against him.

>
>	Jazzy J
>
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:10:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Dec15.122301.23456@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Jeffrey N. Burch writes:
>>
>>Lots of teams get tons of talent without doing well.  Louisville is 
>>absolutely loaded, and will be bringing in lots more.  Only time will
>>tell.
>
>I don't think UL is loaded: they have 3 players who are typical of
>UL talent in the past: Morton, Minor, and Rozier. And they have 4
>players whose performance at the major college level is a tribute
>to Denny Crum's ability to coach the game of basketball: Brewer,
>LeGree, Smith, and Hopgood. I have no knock on Crum's abilities,

Well, you're entitled to an opinion.

Morton, Minor, and Rozier are the certainly the marquee players.  

Brewer, LeGree, Simth, and Hopgood are plenty talented, coaching
notwithstanding.

The freshmen class of Tick Rogers, DeJuan Wheat, and Brian Kiser
are good enough to rate UofL in almost everybody's Top 20 recruiting
class.  And JUCO transfer John Strickland is not at all bad - he
was 19th in Gibbons JUCO list, to 21st for Rodney Dent, for instance.

There are lots of other teams who'd love to have Louisville's
guys.

>As for Crum's methods being inferior, he has very simple team
>rules: go to class and show up at practice. He never screams.

The standard line on Crum's practices is also that he just rolls
out the balls and says "get to it."  Don't know whether it's 
true or not, but it wouldn't be astonishing.

>He treats his charges like adults. He doesn't attempt to strait
>jacket their play or their lives. Who would you rather play
>for? 

Many if not most other coaches treat their players as adults,
I think you'll find.

I can't believe you actually asked me who I'd rather play for!
You know the answer to that even without asking!

Part of the reason Crum doesn't "straight-jacket" his players
is that he doesn't have to - they're not nearly under the same
glaring spotlight that other teams have.

>Besides, there at the UL campus you get to see one of the
>2 Rodin supervised copies of The Thinker.

This I can live without.  I've seen pictures of it.  Probably
unsupervised copies, though.  :-)

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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: Recruiting - Big 8
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:55:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.142144.17478@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:

>Chianti Roberts(#52)      6-6  WF  Edmond, OK                    Oklahoma State
                                ^^

Chianti Roberts is projected as a point guard for Oklahoma State, at least 
according to Eddie Sutton on his call in show.

Teresa
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:36:58 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
Distribution: na
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 <1992Dec12.174558.11889@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

Of course, if you look at CHAMPIONSHIP performance - anyone is better than the
Big 10 since the Big 10 always chokes in the end.  But, I'm arguing outside of
tournament play.
** Rob **
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From: gregg@cloud6.met.fsu.edu (GREGG)
Subject: Pitt vs. WVU over weekend
Reply-To: gregg@cloud6.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department
Distribution:  usa
Date: 14 DEC 92 15:27:50    

 My question is simple. Who won and what happened this weekend?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:05:26 EST
From: <DLN107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: PENN STATE WINS!!!

The trey which sent this game to OT was put up by John Amaechi, not
DeRon Hayes (who missed  on the previous pocession) as might have been
expected. Amaechi, Hayes, Carr, and Bartram all scored double figures
for the Lions. Bartram started again for the sick Jennings. However,
Jennings did see some playing time, scoring only once on a nice dunk!
Carr played perhaps the finest game of his career, taking it to the
hoop and pulling down several key rebounds. Bartram hit two 3 pt shots,
had a steal which he took in for the dunk, and hit his free throws as well.
Hayes was his usual smooth shooting self. Although I will give credit to
James Madison for containing him most of the game. However, they didn't
keep him off the glass at key moments :-) DeRon's offensive rebounds kept
the Lions in this one throughout the 2nd half and the OT.

While Amaechi's buzzer beater took this game to OT, Steve Wydman was the hero
of this game for the Lions. As usual, Donavan Williams played a poor game at
the point. He picked up several cheap fouls, did not score, and was partially
responsible for the defensive lapses which allowed JMU's point man to score 25!
Wydman struggled to contain this guy as well, only Jennings was able to
pressure him into a travel late in OT. Back to Wydman: with the clock running
down in OT, the Lions had pocession and were doing their best to lose that
pocession with the score tied at 71... An all out war was occuring for the
ball, when Wydman appeared out of nowhere scooped it up, layed it in, and was
fouled! Unfortunately JMU's timeout iced him, and he missed the free throw.
JMU came down the court with just under 10 sec. remaining in OT, their
point guard, as expected, drove for the shot, and traveled. Wydman then
redeemed himself at the line by hitting both free throws putting the LIons
up 75-71. JMU had no TO's left and was forced to watch time run out after
nailing a trey to make the final score 75-74.

Like last year's PSU-JMU game the officiating was lousy! Lion fans will
remember that PSU fell in OT to JMU after Barnes's tip in of a Hayes jumper
was ruled (incorrectly) to have occured after the buzzer. Paybacks can be
hell, JMU!

                  Daryl
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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Gill vs Bennett
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:56:05 GMT

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> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner)
> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:57:51 GMT
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> 
> Just thought you'd want to know in case you didn't see it,
> Gill sprained his ankle in the first 2-3 minutes of the 
> game and tried to play.  He said he was only 50%
> 
> I'd take Gill over Bennett any day.
> 
> Scott
> 

I was at the game. Gill wasn't limping. Gill is a lot bigger than Bennett and
has a defensive advantage. For shooting, passing, court sense, I would take
Bennett. Bennett looks a bit raw but with little playing time and being a
rookie, it's understandable. I've seen him play a number of times and think
he's a very talented small player. Charlotte's coach struck me as rather
stupid, with some of his coaching decisions. (like having Bennett guard 
McCray)
From: alexj@access.digex.com (Alex Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Georgia
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:57:07 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: us
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Hoping to find out how the Georgia Bulldogs look. Stuck in DC, I don't see
much reporting on the SEC, and I'm interested in how Georgia's tuning back
up after Litterial Green's graduation.

Cheers,
Alex Johnson

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From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: Georgetown beats RISOB
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:02:07 GMT

      It's no secret that Georgetown's early scedual is a cake walk,
      it would have been easier but they had to drop the Rhode Island
      school for the blind.Kidding aside,Georgetown always plays tough
      in Big East games but what have they done in the big dance?.
      Look at their post season record for the past few years and you'll
      know why Thompson want's to quit.Last year they had Mourning inside
      but no experience to get him the ball.Now they have a more experienced
      back court and a new bigman in Harrington.Well, I can't wait to see
      the Hoyas play some real teams, nothing is better than watching G'town
      lose.
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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: More Duke anti-woofing?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:31:21 GMT

Andrew W. Markham:

> Shut up and stop making Tarheel fans look like a bunch of jerks. (I
> don't  suppose anyone would take advantage of that statement, would
> they?)

Like my old friend Stoney used to say, "there's one in every crowd!"

> Curtis said it before, and I'll restate it for you, Hurley is invincible
> and  will lead Duke to 3 (count 'em, 3) 35+ point victories over the
> grossly- overrated Tarheels.

I normally try and shy away from "my team is better than yours" type
discussions, and I try not to show my bias. Hurley's egrgious talent
notwithstanding, I can't for the life of me see the above scenario
happening this year or any year in the future. This is a strong and
sometimes bitter rivalry. Both teams get up for each other...look at how
UNC (and the wine and cheesers at the Deam Dome too) got up for Duke last
year. There is a lot of parity thanks to that rivalry, so I don't see 3
blowouts by either team. Of course you can say this is just wishful
thinking, but I truely don't believe Duke is that good and UNC is that
bad. Come on man, 35 points is a huge margin. I will not predict one way
or the other how any of the games will come out (that is Duke wins this
one and UNC wins that one), but I will go WAY out on a limb and say there
is no way in hell Duke will take 3 35+ point victories from UNC this year.
Wow, I know I just jinxed the Heels for sure now. <seg>

Mike
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