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From: u0a38@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (LJ Barton)
Subject: I'm REALLY back this time
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:17:25 WET
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HIGH THERE...
             Well, having heralded my return two months ago, I didn't
get round to corresponding or anything, so I might as well not have
bothered...Some people will no doubt feel that I oughtn't to bother now
either, but that's THEIR problem :)

  This is only really to herald my comeback yet again and inform people
who might think I had forgotten all about them that the system here as
been revamped since September...and naturally nothing worked. Well, 
they've finally sorted out the email, so I can post again.

  For all those people I previously corresponded with, the important
info is as follows:

''The correct email address for Keele students is: 

                <username>@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk

		e.g. u7d45@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk

Should the person sending the email be on a Greybook only machine then
the address is:

		<username>@uk.ac.keele.cs.teach

		e.g. u7d45@uk.ac.keele.cs.teach''

   Well, that's it really...A big 'HIGH THERE' to everyone, especially
Steve, Matt and Tim.


--

	  'There's nothing weirder than living on the ground' 

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:15:35 GMT

In article <ceznmwW00WB=FOc68D@andrew.cmu.edu> Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hmm...After reading a rather righteous post about why punk is the music
>for Neuromancer (the movie) as opposed to rock, I don't suppose that
>it'd be appropriate to mention that Gibson has seeded his works with
>references to Steely Dan and Velvet Underground...
>

And lets not forget the Doors, i.e. a chapter of Mona Lisa Overdrive
named "Texas Radio" (Let me tell you about Texas Radio and the BIG BEAT)

Plus Cardigan and Shiner both use "classic" rock imagery.

Actually, Punk is okay by me, but lets stick to real punks shall we?


>And who came up with the term "cyberpunk" anyway?  I don't think it was
>one of the cp authors (Tom Maddox, do you know?), but it IS just a
>label, and not a definition.
>
>Chris
>
>--------------
>Disclaimer:  If anything I have said has offended you, I promise not to
>infringe on your right to just look away from the screen and ignore what
>I'm saying.
>

ratner
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: nyx.du.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:12:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <oeze3Mu00UhBI2TQIS@andrew.cmu.edu> Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>    O.K., I am now starting to really believe the heretofore mentioned
>theory that the people at nyx.du.edu are largely one person trying to
>pull our collective legs.  We've got preachers & militant feminists,
>we've got all kinds of extremist crazies popping up from
>nowhere....oops, not nowhere --nyx.du.edu.
>
>    Any of you real people who use this machine ever seen any of these folks?
>
>-Scott
>

Well I wouldn't say that they are all one person because there are people who
post rational things from this site. The problem is that it allows free acces
to ANYONE - therefore someone could probably get multiple accounts and act
like an imature 5th grader if they wished.
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Wanted: Essays/etc. on sexism in Cyberpunk
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:05:21 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov7.163626.11029@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, 
jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes: 
> rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get 
>> essays/articles/papers on sexism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist 
>> friend who always calls me a sexist pig because I happened to have 
>> read a few cyberpunk books.
> 
> does she give an reasons -why- she considers cyberpunk to be
> sexist? has she read any herself? some of the most powerful
> characters in cyberpunk happen to be women. if she can't document
> reasons for her opinion then it's probably another case of rabid
> feminism & you are under no obligation to "prove" your point.
> (you won't be able to anyway, it's not like that sort ever listens
> to reason.)

   Gee, what a reasonable, intelligent, supported micro-critique of 
feminism.  Groan.
   I think if your friend has any good arguments about the subgenre (to be 
fair, she should read at least two or three short stories to get a sense 
of it) you should listen to them.  I'd also be curious to know-- does she 
read any science fiction at all? Which authors/periods? (I'd assume she'd 
go for Wilhelm, Russ, LeGuin, Tiptree, the great feminist stars of the New 
Wave?) In the meantime, she might want to read Joan Gordon's essay in-- 
urgh-- I believe the Winter '89 issue? of *Science Fiction EYE* (I have 
it, if you want I'll look to see when it was).  The title: "Yin and Yang 
Duke it Out: Is Cyberpunk's Feminism New Age?" In it, she talks about the 
obsession that women writers of SF have had with utopias as a limiting 
tradition, and considers the possibilities opened up for women in the 
exploration of (believe I'm quoting correctly) a "radically imperfect 
world".
   Personally, I'm ambivalent as to whether or not c'punk literature was 
particularly feminist or not.  There are definitely a lot of strong women 
in Shirley's novels, and there's an awareness of certain aspects of 
reality that the big male authors have not been strong on, i.e. rape and 
the existence of legitimate same-sex attractions.  Gibson's focus on his 
women wavers, threatens at times to collapse into cardboard film-noir 
conventions, but occasionally he really seems to come through... Molly, 
Marly, and Kumiko Yanaka are such moments.  And what he implies is as 
important as what's there; I'm recalling a scene in *Count Zero* where 
there's a brief conversation between Turner and an anonymous woman, a 
black-medic, who mentions her (female!) partner and their kid...
   Well, it's something to argue about... anyway, don't take men like Mr. 
Steiner so seriously.  It's not like that sort ever listens to reason. :-)


   --Jesse.

   "Nonsense doesn't break down the codes; speaking precisely that which 
the codes forbid breaks the codes."

                                   --Kathy Acker
                                     *Empire of the Senseless*
From: s14258bc@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Reply-To: s14258bc@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:34:13 GMT

In article <YezhlG_00WB9Ahk99s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
(about the Bible and sex)
>because it's an outdated, contradictory, and highly restrictive document?
>if all we did was what the bible said we wouldn't have gone beyond the
>middle ages

Good point, but I think a better forum for this discussion would be
a religion news server, not a.s.s.d.



Brian Colby (Vax: S14258BC@umassd.edu  DECstation: xanadu@cis.umassd.edu) 

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories.d,alt.industrial
From: bryanf@comspec.com (Bryan Fullerton)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: Computer Variables, Inc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:55:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.042959.25420@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:

>Please!!!! I don't mean to sound like flame bait but what kind of
>drugs have you been all taking??  I find your discussions stupid and
>offensive.  Sex can and should be only between mongamous partners
>who can have children together.  Everything else is not sex; it is
>SODOMY.  Please take the rest of your discussions to alt.sodomy, because
>some of us with different sensibilities do not want to see this in our
>other newsgroups.  I suppose there are people under 18 reading this board
>
>too; such un-genteel discussion is NOT for their ears (or mine, for that
>mater)  The Bible tells us the meaning of sex; why should we go against i
>?
>
>Peace,
>Sgreever

You forgot the smilies.  I _really_ hope you forgot the smilies, otherwise
I'm afraid we'll just have to remove your brain and place it in a small
jar in a vault in the Vatican until you smarten up.


Bryan Fullerton
(Bible thumpers will be thumped back)

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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Unplastic .hlp files ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:08:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Has anyone converted or made windows help files (.hlp) for unplastic news
or scream-baby?  I've seen a mag called "windows online" or something like
that and it is in the .hlp format (icons and such, hypertext)  This could
be a good idea to try!
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From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: A Few Questions about Singularity
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:11:35 GMT
 <1992Nov2.174544.26978@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <Bx6211.6G7@cda.mrs.umn.edu> <1992Nov4.214657.2971@nmt.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov4.214657.2971@nmt.edu>, toad@nmt.edu (Tod Landis) writes:
> In article <Bx6211.6G7@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov2.174544.26978@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pbancrof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Phil Bancroft) writes:
>>
>>Your absolutly correct, until the general populace has access to a
>>free-flow of information.  Power will remain controlled at the top in
>>monolithic corporate (national, or buisness) entities.  In order for a
>>vast and sweeping change of consiousness we need free information.  Then
>>and only then will we see a quantum leap in the evolution of mankind.
>>The cyberpunk leap of singularity will become an obvious reality for
>>all. 
> 
> The problem with the free-flow of information is its assimilation.

   Absolutely.  See my previous post, or better yet just pick up 
*Information Anxiety*, by Richard Saul Wurman (should be required reading 
for everyone).

> How much of this great net information do you assimilate? I barely scracth
> the surface and only in areas of predefined interests. So I see the 
> common man using prefabricated news filters to gather and present the 
> inflowing information to him(not unlike what we do with threads, no?).
> And who is going to build and market these filters? 

   Yeah.  Good question.  One such experimental "filter", designed at 
MIT's Media Lab, was called "NewsPeek"... was the echo of Orwell's 
"Newspeak", suggesting state thought control, intentional?? One wonders.

> Of course, personal expreince is no bench mark, ask any anti-Freudian.

   Interesting comment.  I'd love to hear some elaboration, by e-mail if 
not by post.


    --Jesse.

>>Information is the means, power the end.
> nah, 
>  Style is the game we play
>      Death, the price we pay

   Hmm.  Very deep.  What the hell do either of those sentences mean?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jyoder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Yoder)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer - the music, anyway
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:28:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.074813.6857@epas.toronto.edu>
	 bernie@tagsun.med.utoronto.ca (Bernie Charlton) writes:

>by catering to today's popular image of cyberpunk. To be timeless
>the soundtrack would have to transcend the fun-but=trashy
>cliches of FLA, NIN, Puppy, KMFDM.
	I think that parts of the Actual Score should be scored by Danny
Elfman.  (Batman, Darkman, et al.)  His style would be perfect for a darkly
technoid futuristic theme.   As for incidental music.  Just about anything
would work.  A very eclectic soundtrack would be fun, but I think dead
man's part (Oingo Boingo) would be highly apropos for the Snese Net run.

--
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From: egb43782@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Erich)
Subject: WANTED:Help with making c.p. world...
Summary: bloop
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:06:32 GMT
Keywords: bing

Hey all!  I tried this once before, but I think it bounced off something...

HERE'S THE DEAL:

I'm part of a team that's making a nifty cool multiplayer unix based somewhat
graphical action adventure game, and it's my job to make the world that the
game will take place in.  It's gonna be in a cyberpunk city, basically.

What I'm looking for is people willing to help me by writing lists of names
of various things, such as a list of Bar names, a list of restaurant names,
a list of streets, etc.

I would love your help with this!  Please email me back if you're interested
in helping out, and I'll mail you with what I need.

Thanks a million!

--Erich
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Home brew VR?
From: phutter@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (PATRICK HUTTER)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:39:37 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <40567@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph600fbr@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (James Dehnert) writes:
>Subject: Re: Home brew VR?
>From: ph600fbr@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (James Dehnert)
>Date: 4 Nov 92 22:11:46 GMT

>>       16 MB RAM
>>       8-bit color
>>
>>There are various coroporations out there which have equipment for these 
>  Why not get a NeXT?  It comes with the Renderman engine in OS3.0.
>  I have been hacking at a program that will take one sceen built with 
>3D Reality and generate a sterio pair for viewing.  Eventually I'd like to 
>invest in a pair of NeXT Dimension boards to drive individual eye views.
>  I'll probably have to wait a while before anything comes of this project.  
>The programing part seems to be simple enough, but the  NeXT Dimension boards 
>are a bit out of my price range, + they never did impliment the JPEG 
>compression in the board.  If someone makes a good fast 16bit color card 
>for the NeXT that may change things a bit.
>  If speed is your concern, remember that you can get a 33Mhz 040 in the 
>NeXT right now, load it up to 64 Meg of ram and your CPU will fly!  Add 
>to that the i860 on the NeXT Dimension and you have some real horse power.
>  It also seems to me that one could use the DSP chip to deal with data 
>glove ( or whatever ) input.  Hmmmm.

>  Zeke
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Listen, for the amount of money you are asking people to invest in such a 
system, they might just as well go for the Silicon Graphics, Inc. Iris 
Indigo with 32 MB of RAM, 340 MB hard disk, CD-ROM drive, and the SENSE-8 
Virtuality kit. This one is most definitely the leader in the VR market 
except for high-end super-powered mainframes or supercomputers.


						Greetings,

						Patrick
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: TV glasses and VR
From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 23:06:01 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:

> merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) writes:
> 
> >   In a recent Newsweek, an invention was announced that should radically 
> > alter Homebrew-VR.  Someone has developed personal TVs in the form of 
> > glasses.  I am unsure what modifications would have to be made to convert 
> > these beauties to our use, but now that the tech exists, things can only 
> > get better.
> >    /// & ///
> > 
> > --
> > merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
> > Rivendell BBS -*- Houston, TX -*- +1(713)941-2236
> 
> Depends on the interfaces.  For VR you need a left and a right channel to 
> really work right as each may be a little different.  If these glasses 
> have only one interface feeding two screens, this may be a problem.
> Converting a VGA display to NTSC isn't a real big trick.  There are 
> boards of the shwlf now that do that.
>   Once again, you need two boards, one left, one right to give you true 
> stereoscopic viewing.  
>   Hacking these things to work for true stereoscopic VR may be a bitch.
> Maybe they'll be smart on the Glasses and make a VR ready pair for VR 
> hackers.  
> 
> 
 
        Actually ultra-thin glasses that are LCD-color based have been 
out for sometime now. I read it in the Trends section of Omni about 2 
years ago, so this is not really new technology. Although I am sure 
improvements have been made since the first prototype a few years back. 
This invention _MAY_ change VR, but what about cost? Cost is going to be  
relatively high until mass production is intiated, and even then it will 
most probably become obsolete, like everything else :)
 
Doug

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM)
Subject: SG & VR
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:45:00 GMT

Why Bother with getting a SG VR setup?!!  It will just be obsolete (in VR terms)
) in 1-2 years.....   Just get a mahcine that does the job and save $10K...

You'll havew to excuse me... I'm new here and still adjusting to the increasing tide of SIG's here...
tide of SIGS here.

I find your Cyberpunk socially curious, but technically empty.

You like (generilization, not you Zeke) to throw buzz words/phrases around like 
rice at a wedding.

I am an Electrical Engineer (have a degree) and have read your fav mag Mondo
2000 and am curious as to why you are how you are.

I can understand the natural attraction to the rush that the power of new tech-
nologies can bring, but what substance does your self proclaimed "Movement"
stand on?  I enjoy electronics and computers, but do not find I have to color
box phreak for kicks, or do CC #'rs, or glue TTL chips to my clothes, do 
brain drugs and come home each day to my biofeedback VSex computer interface.

I have known many true hackers, for many years now.  They do not usually wear
disks around their necks and have strange haircuts, but usually are lacking in the 
the area of personal hygene, have gobs of hair all over thier bodies (some lack-
ing in some places) and are social hermits (this discription , to a small ex-
tent, discribes myself).

Gimme a reply... I have looked into the pages of Mondo several times now and
found myself laughing, gazeing and getting pissed at some of the ways that
the cyberpunk mentality portrays technology and other things that seem new
and mystifyingly powerful to them.

                      Thomas Weeks

P.S.  If ya need a handle.. fine...  

                   AKA
                            R.B
                           M   a      h
                                n    t 
                                 dwid
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: TV glasses and VR
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 09:12:01 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) writes:

>   In a recent Newsweek, an invention was announced that should radically 
> alter Homebrew-VR.  Someone has developed personal TVs in the form of 
> glasses.  I am unsure what modifications would have to be made to convert 
> these beauties to our use, but now that the tech exists, things can only 
> get better.
>    /// & ///
> 
> --
> merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
> Rivendell BBS -*- Houston, TX -*- +1(713)941-2236

Depends on the interfaces.  For VR you need a left and a right channel to 
really work right as each may be a little different.  If these glasses 
have only one interface feeding two screens, this may be a problem.
Converting a VGA display to NTSC isn't a real big trick.  There are 
boards of the shwlf now that do that.
  Once again, you need two boards, one left, one right to give you true 
stereoscopic viewing.  
  Hacking these things to work for true stereoscopic VR may be a bitch.
Maybe they'll be smart on the Glasses and make a VR ready pair for VR 
hackers.  


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From: D.Banks@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Danny Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Home brew VR?
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:51:50 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

Hmmm, I didn't think to grab the original post.

If the original poster can summarise responses that (s)he received, I'd be
very grateful.

Thanks a lot.

Danny.

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From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: SG & VR
Date: 14 Nov 92 05:32:46 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM) writes:
: 
: You'll havew to excuse me... I'm new here and still adjusting to the increasing tide of SIG's here...
: tide of SIGS here.
: 
: I find your Cyberpunk socially curious, but technically empty.
: 
: You like (generilization, not you Zeke) to throw buzz words/phrases around like 
: rice at a wedding.
: 
: I am an Electrical Engineer (have a degree) and have read your fav mag Mondo
: 2000 and am curious as to why you are how you are.
: 

I'll keep it short, Thomas.  I'm sure flames will abound here from your
query but mine is not a negative comment, per se.  I think the point you're
missing is that cyber-whatever goes beyond the tech.  The tech is a big part
of it but not all of it.  Maybe being an engineer makes it difficult to see
this.  I'm not the best one to go into this all and this newsgroup isn't the
one to read.  You might try alt.cyberpunk for a more geberal approach to the
'movement.'  Peace...


______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
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