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From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say--3.5 yrs
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.215455.26937@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, joxley@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (jody.oxley) writes:
> 1. Conversation with my daughter Sarah the other night as she was
> exiting the bathtub:
> 
> ME: Let's get your towel and wrap you up in it.
> SARAH: Hurry Mommy--I'm freezing wet!
> 
> (I guess this is her version of 'freezing cold' + 'dripping wet'!)

At about that age, my son Keith used to say (most often
as he was getting out of the bathtub) "I'm shiverous!"
I like that word -- think I'll teach it to the baby.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: When To Turn Car Seat?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal)
>Message-ID: <BzCwzo.G2J@unix.amherst.edu>
>
>I probably should know this from my first son...but, when are you
>supposed to turn a backward facing infant seat forwards?
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Nuhad Jamal
>njamal@amherst
>
 
When your child reaches 20# and/or has very good neck control.
(Because some children may be petite and not reach 20# for quite
a while.)  For us, that was around 7-1/2 months.
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91 - and who had no trouble reaching 20# by
 that time) and ? (due 5/8/93)
From: steve@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: pacifier usage
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:08:49 GMT
Reply-To: steve@terminus.ericsson.se
Distribution: world
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England

I've only just started following this thread so if the subject of how to has 
been well and truly aired please forgive me.


Vicki (nearly 3) has been using 2 (at least!) dummies (if I can revert to the
english!) since she was a few months old (1 to suck and 1 to stroke her nose with!)


I don't have a problem with this as they certainly helped when she was very young
and now are the only thing that calms her after a bump or when she is tired.

The problem is now that her dentist says they are 
beginning to pull her top teeth forward and must go.


Has anyone else experienced this problem with teeth? and is it a long term effect or
will her second teeth come through straight anyway?

We are trying to talk her into doing a 'deal' with Santa Claus in return 
for a new bike. I have a nasty feeling that this will be ok until bedtime when we may
have to suddenly realise that Santa forgot to take them and 

- "look! they're in the cupboard!"

In a sentimental kind of way, it will be a shame when they go as it will mark the end of her 'baby-era'


steve

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: schulman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jan Schulman)
Subject: Cute Things They Say (4.0 yr)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:06:57 GMT

On the way back from doctor office, Mom said to David : Wah! Doctor is
great. He found out your problem right away and your are feeling better
already. Do you want to be a doctor when you grow up and help little kids?

David said : No. When I grow up, I want to be a Superman. Why don't you
try to be a doctor when you grow up?
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:24:32 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>That's another one of the things that seems to trade off logically in our
>family.  When we started daycare, the sitter was in the direction of my
>wife's job, so she drove him nearly all the time, and I only did it when
>she had a conflict.

This currently describes our situation (both the one we just left and
the one that starts in January).

>From the women you know, does there seem to be some logic as to why 
>they might do most of the daycare driving?

I chose both daycares, and intentionally looked for ones where I would
do the driving.  As long as I'm still nursing Jordan, it makes a great
deal more sense for me to drop him off and pick him up so that I can
feed him (thereby lessening the amount I have to pump).



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:45:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.181822.27762@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> As a circumcised male who likes the ease of maintenance which circumcision
> affords, who has found that it has not interfered with my sex life, who did
> *not* spend a lot of time looking at other guys' penises in the shower, and
> who intends to make sure that if our child is circumcised if it's a boy, I
> have to ask isn't there anyone else out there willing to defend it?  Doesn't
> anyone else have anything *good* to say about it?  Surely I'm not the only
> one who feels this way?
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
> *          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Yeah, me! I'm female, my husband was circumcised, and any sons we have will
likely
be circumcised. I haven't seen that my husband has suffered in any way 
whatsoever for being circumcised. He agrees with me. I really don't care what
is currently fashionable as regards the question of to-circumcise-or-not-to-
circumcise. I see the whole thing as a wash. If and when the vast  majority of
males born in the USA are not circumcised, then I would not want a newborn
son to be circumcised. The important thing is not to cause the kid unnecessary
psychological problems simply because his parents wanted to be different. I
think having genitals that don't look like the majority in the locker room
could certainly cause some personality types psychological problems! If my
husband felt differently, I would certainly go along with his views. He has
a lot more experience being male than I do :)

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: ultrasound
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:55:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Dec18.033123.9166@dsd.es.com> ksouth@dsd.es.com writes:
>I understand that having an ultrasound done at around 20 weeks is almost
>"standard of care". That's still 7 weeks away, but my husband and I will
>have to make the decision about whether to have one or not. I would like
>some input. 
>
>lots of stuff deleted

>So, was an ultrsound really so great? What are the main reasons OBs or 
>midwives prescribe them? Is there really any NEED for one in a normal, low-risk
>pregnancy?
>
>-- 
>Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
>Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
>Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
>INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com

I would say have it.  It was so exciting to see the baby.
The ultrasound tech. we had was very personable, told
us all about what we were seeing, and at the same
time he was taking "measurements" of the amount of
amniotic fluid, checking different organs and taking
their measurements.  

We even had a video tape done by the tech. and showed
it to our 9YO daughter and the grandparents.  I watched
it numerous times.  

Technology is so wonderful - take advantage of it!

We also had a second one done and took our 9YO daughter
with us.  She is my stepdaughter, and was having a
really hard time accepting that her daddy and I were
having a baby and her "real mom" was not at all involved.
She helped with the ultrasound, got to move around the
"wand" and the nurse practitioner who did it showed
her all the fingers and toes, the heart beating, the
spinal cord - everything we could see.  I think it
helped her accept the pregnancy a lot.  Her mom was
not at all excited about us having a baby, and kept
telling her "she would always be an only child".  What
a b*tch.  She eventually got with the program and
accepted the fact that we were having a baby, and
our daughter felt it was ok to be happy about it.

I loved being pregnant, and being the only one to
feel every movement inside me.  I think the 
ultrasound is one way for the dad to feel the
baby too.  What do you dads out there think?

Good luck, and whatever you decide I'm sure will
be the best for you.  Happy Pregnancy!

Valerie

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: melissa@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Melissa Probst)
Subject: Cute conversation (4 and 8 year olds)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:40:34 GMT

Yesterday as we were driving home my two boys (8 & 4) were discussing
their day at school. This is part of the conversation that occurred:

Scott (4): I have a girlfriend named Carolyn.

Michael (8): All right Scott! (High-five given). Now you're a MAN!!


I had a hard time keeping myself from cracking up with this one.

Melissa
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Melissa Probst
System Administrator
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
4800 Oak Grove 301-250D
Pasadena, CA 91109

email: melissa@spanky.jpl.nasa.gov
From: pytlik@ra.cs.umb.edu (Marek Pytlik)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Request for help for young boy
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:38:41 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston
Originator: pytlik@ra.cs.umb.edu

We would like to ask for your support and financial help for one and half 
years old Marcel Pacholczyk.  The boy is blind because of a doctor's mistake;
after birth he was treated with inappropriate amounts of oxygen in the 
incubator.
Join efforts of his parents and the Blind Children Foundations "Illumination"
resulted in doctor Tatsuo Hirose's decision to perform the operation which will
restore Marcel's sight.  The operation is to take place at the Retina   
Associates, Inc. in Boston, the only hospital in the world where such operations
are succesffuly performed.
The cost of the operation is $53,000 and Marcel's parent who live in Poland, can
not afford it.  That is why we appeal to you for help.  Please send your tax
deductible donations to the Retina Associates Account #60168285 at the Bank of
Boston, Charles River Plaza, Boston, MA 02114, USA. Please make clear that your
gift is for Marcel's operation.  A young boy's sight and life are at stake,
please help.



Mark Pytlik
pytlik@ra.cs.umb.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Dec18.011853.11794@intellistor.com>
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:38:36


Grun@intellistor writes:

   But what if things start to go wrong [in a home birth]?  
  I have no statistics, but when
   things *do* go wrong, (which they do, sometimes, and without regard
   for the health of the mother) there is frequently _very little time_ in which
   to intervene.  An ambulance ride would be too long.

You certainly don't have any statistics.  If you did, you would know
that when things go wrong, there is virtually always plenty of time to
intervene, which is why study after study has demonstrated that home
birth is as safe or safer than hospital birth, for low-risk women.
[Note that "low risk" is of course decided before the birth;
obviously home birth is as safe for births that turn out to be
uneventful, but it turns out that it is as safe for births where
something out of the ordinary happens.]

True obstetrical emergencies are quite rare.  Placental abruptio (the
placenta separting before birth) is one of them, but alas, even for
planned hospital births, it is usually not obliging enough to occur in
the hospital.  

If you plan a home birth, there is a pretty big chance that you will
end up in the hospital anyway.  It depends on the midwife, but 5-10%
wouldn't be out of line.  Some mothers will find out before the birth
that they must give birth in the hospital, for one reason or another-
this happened to me because I was induced- and some will be
transported during labor.  It's a disappointment, so if you plan a
home birth, you should be ready for the possibility.  

-- Anne


Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: Re: Santa Cruz FAQ (or places to live, USA)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:22:55 GMT

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:



>  Hi readers!  Thanks to the overwhelming reply for my
>  request of information about Santa Cruz, I have edited
>  and taken out all the names out and compiled a summary
>  of Santa Cruz.  (If you want me to put your name back,
>  please tell me).  If anyone else is interested in
>  Santa Cruz, please e-mail me, and I'll send you the
>  summary!

>  Take It Easy,
>  Clare

>  clare@nynexst.com

Please send me the summary. 

Magdi N. Azer
magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts... / late circumcision
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:44:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Dec15.181822.27762@newstand.syr.edu> <2441@gandalf.intel.com>

There have been several postings of the type:

>age of 56, due to medical complications caused from being uncircumsized, he 
>to get circumsized.  OUCH!!  For several weeks, he had wished he had been
>circumsized as a baby.  

For several weeks after the birth of my son, I wished I had had a
c-section and for several weeks after the birth of my daughter, I
wished I had a vaginal delivery. Women have their private/sensitive
parts poked, prodded, stretched, torn, cut, sewn, etc. and it
hurts. It's all part of life. 

Surgical proceedures hurt more than most people realize. Maybe 
children can handle it better, maybe they can't. To remove a part
of the body from a baby because it might need to be removed later
in life and you know it will hurt then doesn't make sense. Adults
can make their own pain medication decisions. It's all part of life.

Carol
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:50:31 GMT

>  How many of you ladies do the driving to daycare?  I get the feeling
>  that many (at least from the people I know at work) more mothers
>  do the daycare driving and picking up than the fathers.

That's another one of the things that seems to trade off logically in our
family.  When we started daycare, the sitter was in the direction of my
wife's job, so she drove him nearly all the time, and I only did it when
she had a conflict.  When he switched daycares at 18 months, the new
center was in the direction of my job, so now I do it all the time, and Mary
covers when I have a conflict.

From the women you know, does there seem to be some logic as to why 
they might do most of the daycare driving?

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:36:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.181822.27762@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>As a circumcised male who likes the ease of maintenance which circumcision
>affords, who has found that it has not interfered with my sex life, who did
>*not* spend a lot of time looking at other guys' penises in the shower, and
>who intends to make sure that if our child is circumcised if it's a boy, I
>have to ask isn't there anyone else out there willing to defend it?  Doesn't
>anyone else have anything *good* to say about it?  Surely I'm not the only
>one who feels this way?
>

	I'm sure there are a lot of people with the same _opinion_. My 
opinion happens to be different, and neither are necessarily right or wrong,
but my argument against it is that it is a medically unnecessary procedure.
It is only done for social/vanity/religious reasons. And for me that is not
a good enough reason to invoke such a procedure on babies.

KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:21:18 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corp.

In article <1992Dec15.181822.27762@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
|> As a circumcised male who likes the ease of maintenance which circumcision
|> affords, who has found that it has not interfered with my sex life, who did
|> *not* spend a lot of time looking at other guys' penises in the shower, and
|> who intends to make sure that if our child is circumcised if it's a boy, I
|> have to ask isn't there anyone else out there willing to defend it?  Doesn't
|> anyone else have anything *good* to say about it?  Surely I'm not the only
|> one who feels this way?
|> 

Well, I am not a male, and I don't have a son.  I do have a circumsized brother
and a circumsized husband.  

My dad, on the other hand, was born at home 64 years ago.  He was not 
circumsized and went through most of his life uncircumsized.  However, at the
age of 56, due to medical complications caused from being uncircumsized, he HAD
to get circumsized.  OUCH!!  For several weeks, he had wished he had been
circumsized as a baby.  

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Lisa S. Lewis <lisas@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: slow talker
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton  University
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:35:41 GMT

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>From: saulnier@acadia.crd.ge.com (Emilie T. Saulnier)
>Newsgroups: misc.kids
>Subject: slow talker
>Message-ID: <1992Dec15.164742.6292@crd.ge.com>
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>I have a nephew who is 3+ years old who still has not really learned
>to talk. He seems to have problems forming sounds and in fact can only
>approximate a couple of one syllable words. In fact he mainly
>communicates by using his own version of hand signals. Since he also
>has very poor balance, one possibility is some problem with his ears
>(although he does seem very responsive to verbal instructions) -
>however his pediatrician has done some tests (i don't know which) in
>the past and claimed that there is nothing wrong (the pediatrician's
>view is that he is "just a slow talker").
>
>Any comments/experiences/suggestions? They live in the Boston/Rhode
>Island area so any suggestions on specialists in that area would also
>be most welcome.
>


Emilie,
A child who is over three and still really doesn't talk has a real
problem.  In fact, a child who is three and *does* talk but can't be
understood by people outside his family probably needs speech therapy.

His parents should RUN not walk to have this child evaluated by a team of
specialists.  This should include speech therapists, occupational
therapists, and child development experts.
If they have not had his hearing tested by a reputable specialist (in a
soundproof booth) they
should definitely do that.

Pediatricians are incredibly un-informed when it comes to issues of
childhood development. This appalls me constantly...since they generally
know enough about normal development, why are they so reluctant to lable
delayed development?

Anyway, please trust me that a child who is over three and not talking
has a developmental disability of some sort, in all probability.  Early
intervention is critical.  A child who is using his own hand signals to
communicate wants desperately to do so...I hope they will help him to
find a better way to communicate.  It is possible that he has a problem
with integrating sensory input, or that it is primarily a motor problem
(whereby the mouth can't form the words that the brain wants to.) 

Anyway, it could be a lot of things.  I hope they don't wait any longer
to check it out. They are getting bad advice from their pediatrician!

Lisa Lewis
Newsgroups: misc.kids