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From: hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: want info on THE LOVER actress
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:50:24 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes:

>	There was a minor controversy over the supposed age of the
>*character* in the move, not the age of Ms. March. In a piece of dialogue
>where Leung's character asks her how old she is, she replies "fifteen" in
>the original cut of the movie. When the movie was released in the U.S.A.,
>the dialogue had to be changed to "eighteen"....

That's close, but not quite what I read in the DC City Paper (which
has been known to get things wrong, but...)  According to their
review, the young girl says eighteen but the narrator--her older
self--says that it was a lie.  It was the narrator's correction that
was excised.

Having never seen the uncut version, I can't say which account is accurate.

Dan Hoey
Hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil
From: cew2w@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Wrike")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: annoying nuances in films
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:57:25 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


	One of the things I always like to check is how far a
character has smoked a cigarette.  Most notably in "Basic
Instinct" a character will have a cigarette going from entirely
lit, to half lit, and back to just lit again.  The level of
drinks follow the same rule.  It got really bad in"Jennifer 8",
where I saw Andy Garcia specifically ask for and open a Diet
Coke, but he drank a Diet Sprite through the whole sequence.

	--   Chris Wrike
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: Best musicals
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:52:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.174121.9885@vlsi.polymtl.ca> d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:
# From the ratings list, I get these name in the order of their ratings
# from 8.2 for the first to 6.0 to the last. Some movies I think are
# musical have been put in the list, correct me if I am wrong .
# If I omited a musical in between 1-25, please tell so I can complete 
# the list, I don't know the name of all musicals, so I may have missed
# some while scanning the ratings list. 

Disney's Beauty and the Beast is the only musical in the overall top ten, I
think.  Also The Little Mermaid got a pretty good rating.

# 2. Top Hat    ( Fred astaire, I am not sure that it is a musical)

It is, tho IMO not the best Fred film.  (Really no other of his movies?
Better recheck the list...)

# 7. Bells of St-Mary ( Bing Crosby , not sure if it is a musical)

I don't think it is.

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From: pejulaju@wolverine.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Subject: Re: Problems with DieHard 2
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:48:44 GMT

In article <BzA70J.K07@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan) writes:

>I have got a few more.  Remember the scene where Bruce Wilis is fighting the
>guys hiding in the baggage conveyer area of the airport?  Wilis throws one
>of the goons onto the conveyer where, when he gets to the top, he is crushed
>by some machine.  Since when did airports crush baggage before they loaded
>it onto the airplane?!

The set of the baggage conveyer was purposely designed to be somesort of 
"baggage hell" according to the director, Renny Harlin, himself. It wasn't
designed with absolute "realism" in mind. And if you think it as a joke, 
its quite funny (IMO).

>Also, when the tower has no communications to the aircraft in the traffic 
>pattern.  Why didn't they just go down to the runway, get in a 727 or any 
>other pla....
>for that matter, and talk to them through that planes radio.  Any good 
>controller can direct traffic if from a radio of this sort.

No comment on that.


There's more. Exploding of the bad guys plane at the end was far from "realis-
tic" if you want. Fuel of airplanes, as far as I've heard, doesn't
burn like it did in the film. Secondly, jets of the airplane would
have blowed the fire off well before it reached the engines. The special
effects guys (and then surely also the director) knew about this fact, but
they did it anyway. Should we blame them for that, if they did it purposely?

Also, resolution of fax machines is too low for sending finger prints.

More ?
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From: vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:24:54 GMT

In article <1gng21EINN59e@uni-erlangen.de> uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
>
>That's normal. I mean, the science-fiction novels that supply the best
>ideas are usually the poorest style. Look at Clarke's or Asimov's. The
>visionaries of the future simply can't write, because they're too much
>out of this world to deal with issues like suspense or passion, or giv-
>ing the worlds they describe atmosphere. Those who do are usually poor
>on the science side again.
>
>(C)OOL mcmxcii

I wonder if you have read any of Clarke's novels.  Have you?  They are full
of suspense as well as passion.  "The Songs from Distant Earth"  is my favorite.

Jake


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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Edward Scissorhands: a few questions
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 DEC 92 22:04:58 GMT

In a previous article, gratrix@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jackie Gratrix) wrote:
> 
>I watched this movie for the first time this past weekend
>when it was broadcast on one of the premium channels.  
>Unfortunately, I missed about the first 20 minutes.  Could
>someone please tell me: what happened to him that he
>ended up in such a condition (having scissors for hands);
>is that black thing under his clothes another set of clothes,
>or his body; is the Vincent Price character good or evil?
>Thanks for the info!
> 
***SPOILERS*** if you haven't seen Edward Scissorhands.
What a cool movie.  Anyway...  Edward was built by the inventor played by 
Vincent Price.  In one scene near the beginning of the movie, Price is holding 
the hands that he's built to replace the scissors that were temporary "hands" 
for Edwards.  Price drops dead, of a heart attack or some such ailment.  
Edwards gets confuses and accidentally slices "his hands" to bits with his
scissor-hands.

I'd guess I'd say Price's character was good.  Didn't do anything "evil", just 
a weird inventor.  I have no idea about the "black"; was never explained.  
Best guess is its his body.  Rent this and watch it a million times :-)

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From: klj5c@Virginia.EDU (Kyle Lafayette Jones, III)
Subject: Re: New Van Damme Movie in the Works
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:36:39 GMT

I am simply going to deliver a brief "bit of wit" about Steven
Seagal, myself.  He may be a little rough for some of you to
swallow, but that's what you get if you want the real thing.

- Seagal is a 6th dan in Aikido
-He received his 1st dan under Quoichi Tohei (who studied under
the founder, Ueshiba)
-He also has substantial background in Tae Kwon Do, Ju Jitsu,
and Arnis.
-He ran a dojo (his ex-wife's father's) in Japan for quite a
while.
-He is about 6'2", and weighs roughly 220.

Seagal may not be a first class actor (yet, as he is getting
much better), but (need I say), that is not why peaople watch
his films.  He is an excellent fighter and actually does
everything you see on the screen.

So, if you want to see a short kickboxer with a bad accent
fight his way out of predictable situations and unrealistic
conditions, while trying to play romantic roles, then see a Van
Damme movie.  On the other hand, if you want to see realistic,
gritty, as it is street action, with beautifully performed
techniques, watch Seagal; he's the Dirty Harry of the Martial
Arts world.
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From: rrb2x@Virginia.EDU (Richard Ramiaz Banks)
Subject: Re: Best foreign films, by country
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:39:51 GMT

	Salut!  Ah! c'est bon de parler a quelqu'un qui peut
ecrire francais (canadien)!  J'ai une question, connais-tu
quelqu'un s'appelle (spl) Jennifer Jan Bryce au College de
Queens?  S'il vous plait!  M'aidez!


	Rikilla the Hun etait ici.


						Merci...mon ami
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From: jdt@ulysses.att.com (Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd])
Subject: Re: Roger & Me Sequel?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@ulysses.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <1992Dec11.190643.26007@Virginia.EDU>, cew2w@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Wrike") writes:
|> "Roger and Me" was originally filmed as a documentary for PBS.
|> However, since it was so good they put it into theatrical
|> release.  Earlier this year (in September, I think) they
|> finally broadcasted the film on PBS, along with a thirty-minute
|> follow up by Michael Moore, called something like "For Food or Pets" (in
|> reference to the woman who skinned rabbits).  This follow-up was billed
|> as a "sequel" to "Roger and Me".  I did not see it the second
|> part, but I heard that it was not nearly as good as the original film.


It was called "Pets or Meat", which is the sign that the Rabbit Lady had
in front of her house.  All it really was was an update of the lives of the
people who were shown in the movie.  Moore ended up giving a little money
to people who were in trouble in the documentary. 

It really wasn't another film, per se, but was intended to finalize some
things there were left dangling.  The Rabbit Lady was still selling rabbits,
but as "Pets or Meat", and the Meat was intended for other animals (snakes,
for example).  One of the people evicted that Moore helped was murdered
by her boyfriend, and the person who was doing evictions was now running
an Auto Auction stocked with reposessed cars.
From: bill.easley@tfd.gwinnett.com (Bill Easley) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: rec.arts.movies Frequentl
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: bill.easley@tfd.gwinnett.com (Bill Easley) 


EV.|.                        AFRICAN-AMERICAN

EV.|.James Earl Jones      1970   lead   The Great White Hope

     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    Was he ever nominated for this role on
     Broadway?  I saw him there, and he was so much more powerful
     in person!  Jones has the best speaking voice in theater (both
     movie and stage) history.


EV.|.Diana Ross            1972   lead   Lady Sings the Blues

     ^^^^^^^^^^^  Should have won!

     I am no Diana Ross fan, but her performance in that film was
     incredible!  She would have won by a landslide any other year,
     but Liza Minelli beat her with "Cabaret".


EV.|.Whoopi Goldberg       1985   lead   The Color Purple
EV.|.                      1991   supp   Ghost                WON
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Why doesn't anyone ever appreciate comedy?
     I think her best performance ever was in "Jumpin' Jack Flash."
     Much better than in "Sister Act."


Note:  You can reach me at bill.easley@tfd.gwinnet.com
       or on GEnie at W.Easley1
---
 . OLX 2.2 . "Oh bother," said Pooh
From: treinen@dfki.uni-sb.de (Ralf Treinen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Help find "M", The 1950's American Version
Date: 12 Dec 1992 15:45:31 +0100
Organization: DFKI - German Research Center for AI
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gs-serv1.dfki.uni-sb.de

In article <1gb3ofINNk7m@agate.berkeley.edu>, peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz) writes:
|> I'm looking for "M", the American version, on film or video, preferably the
|> latter. Please e-mail any pertinent information. Thanks.

If anyone should know something about this (I dont), please post, such that we all
learn the names of the shameless people daring to remake "M".

Ralf.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Highest gross movies
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:39:45 GMT

In article <5388@othmar.lulea.trab.se> sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
>Nhan Tran (tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com) wrote:
>
>: When people talk about the highest grossing movie, do they take into
>: account of inflation?
>
>No they don't ! If they did there is only ONE movie that can be considered
>for highest grossing: Gone with the wind. According to one source (I'm afraid
>I forgot where I read it) it has grossed over 2 billion dollars to date, showing
>some 800 million dollars profit.

"Birth of a Nation" might give "GWTW" a run for its money.  It's hard to tell,
as ticket figures from the 1910's and 1920's are hard to find and fragmentary,
but secondary indications suggest that "Birth of a Nation" was hugely popular
on its first release and remained popular through much of the silent era.
At its initial release, tickets for "Birth of a Nation" were priced as high
as $1.00, which back in the mid-1910's was very serious money.

At any rate, there's no question but that "Gone With the Wind" has been
much more profitable than any recent film, in terms of absolute dollars.

Another way to look at it is proportional return on investment.  If your 
figures are to be believed, "Gone With the Wind" was no big deal, in this
measure, as it only returned 2 1/2 times what was spent on it.  A good
initial nominee for the crown in this category is a totally forgotten
silent film called "The Road To Ruin".  It cost $2,500 to film, and
returned $2,500,000, almost all of that within a few years of its release
in the mid-1920's.  Of course, one must figure in the distribution and
marketing costs, but it probably still returned at least 50-to-1.  There
may be some more recent cheaply made films that have rivalled this one,
but it's a hard figure to beat - grossing 1000 times its production cost.
For "Home Alone 2" to do that well, it would have to make around 
$50,000,000,000.  Not even Macauley Culkin is that popular.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PRISONER or FUGITIVE?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>In article <palomb.724000578@beagle> palomb@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Anthony Palombella) writes:
>>egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>
>>>I can also imagine the ending being butchered in the way _Brazil_ was
>>>clobbered.  Number One turning out as Old Man Smithers, the owner of
>>>the Haunted Amusement Park?  Number Six driving off into the sunset
>>>with the blonde and beautiful spy, Number Ninety-Six?  <shiver> :-)
>>
>>	Wouldn't that be Number Sixty-Nine? B-)
>
>Actually, I believe the pun was intentional when they came up with the
>characters on _Get Smart_.

I thought her number was "99".  If I'm right, what's the pun?
-- 
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                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best musicals
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

you forgot oklahoma.

-stephen
From: garretso@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Leon T. Garretson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most SHOCKING film in my childhood
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:29:53 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston
	
	The one that made me crawl under my seat was "Miracle of Our Lady
	of Fatima"!! All those weeping, hysterical people throwing themselves
	on the ground. Somethin' real scary had possessed them and I wanted
	OUT!!!
From: pck@dde.dk (Peter Roboz Kristensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: French movies (sigh!) : -Q
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:12:34 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

bjones@denitqm.uswest.com (Brent Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.001527.6374@csc.ti.com>, simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com
>(Jean-Yves Simon) wrote:
>> 
>[snip]
>> 
>> I stop there. It's been 3 years that I am living in US, and during this time, I saw 5 french
>> movies, 5 french movies released in US in 3 years! One Italian movie (Mediteranneo : I guess because
>> it won the oscar for the best foreign movie) in 3 years!
>> Do get me wrong, I like US movies but I am sick of the poor choice (by that I mean the diversity
>> of seeing foreign movies) that the theaters have to offer me.

>It does depend somewhat where you live. I live in Boulder, Colorado,
>and between the local universty's International Film Series, a local
>theatre that runs a few foreign films, and three or for really good
>"art" theatres in nearby Denver, we probably have access to as many
>foreign films as anyone could want. The University of Colorado program
>is especially good, and in the past year or two has shown Eastern
>European films, Japanese films, Chinese films, and what I would guess
>to be the majority of the films produced in Western Europe. All with
>subtitles, of course.

>The ironic thing is that the worst American films (Arnold, Stallone, et al)
>are all exported to other countries and garner fantastic amounts of money
>(as they do here), but only the best foreign films come here and
>generally do poorly. No accounting for taste, I suppose, but whenever
>I'm in Paris and see the *huge* billboards for the latest American
>action blockbuster, I wish the exchange was a little more
>equitable.

You have answered yourself. In Denmark, we have Danish films of
course, but only a few french, italian or spanish, but a huge amount
of US films. It's a question of money. People are used to US films, so
the majority wants them, and only special cinemas dare to take the
economical risk to show other movies. In fact the cinemas have about 5
*rooms*, not big halls, but maybe 20 - 50 seats in each for these
films and then one bigger for the more popular films.

-- 
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Application Program Development                Fax:        Int +45 42 84 52 20
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Stephen King Movies
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:47:31 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Dec11.020330.12912@bsu-ucs>, 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu:


>>> The Running man

> TRM was Stephen King?  Kinda out of his stly isn't it?  I'm surprised he'd
> bother, as much $$ he makes per horror story!  :)

Ok, ok, I'm not a big Steven King fan, and I thought _The Running Man_ was
pretty lame, but I do know the King connection...

Early in his career (I believe before he made a big name for himself in 
horror) King wrote a number of short stories using the name Richard Bachman.

One of them was "The Running Man".  It was an excellent short story, and
it did involve a man on a TV show running from trained killers.  But that's
about where the similarity ends. 

The killers in the story were commandos with conventional weapons, the whole
story had a "1984" feel to it.  Very moody, and the man who was running
was not a hulking body-builder type, and used his wits to stay alive.

I highly recommend the story (and others under the Bachman name: "Rage",
"The Long Walk") they are all violent thrillers, not horror per se.  And they
are the only Steven King stories I've ever really enjoyed.

Greg Bole                               "Rug-man!  It's been a few  millenia.
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                    Slap me some tassle!"
                                             Robin Williams in _Aladdin_
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From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Subsidies (was Re: Best foreign films, by country)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:35:02 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

Following up from all this talk of subsidies for 'local' films...

Some people have been talking about how government aid for films tends
to concentrate on the 'worthy'. The ones about the poor, the natives,
or whatever.

The NZ Film Commission recently put up part of the cost of the film
'Braindead' by Peter Jackson. This is a splatter film! (And is also
very funny.)

Irony1: Unlike most of their other films they will make money on the
	deal.

Irony2:	'Braindead' has a very local feel. It is set in the 50's and
	the attention to period detail is quite well done. This
	contrasts with some films which go for a "could be anywhere"
	feel.
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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Gene Siskel and Saturday Night Fever
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:35:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.161937.19317@nosc.mil> barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
>
>I just read a clip in the newspaper that quotes Gene Siskel when asked
>"If stuck on a deserted island, what movie would you like to have to
>keep you company."  He responded (and this is paraphrased as I don't have
>the article with me) by saying that he would choose "Saturday Night Fever"
>He thought it was one of his favorite movies and he saw it something like
>17 times in a period of around 3 weeks
>

I remember reading a number of years ago that Gene Siskel bought one of the
white suits that John Travolta wore in Saturday Night Fever at a public TV
auction.  So I guess he really is a fan.

Wayne

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