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From: david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Does anyone remember the Tandy 6000?
Organization:  SOFTWARE / DYNAMIX
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 8:50:55 EST
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> 
> Hmm... let me refer to my prehistoric guide to computers... <flip, flip> no, no,
> no, hmm.. it seems that it's been extinct for quite a while..
> 
> Anyway, I have doubts about it running Xenix, if it makes you feel better.. :)

Oh please ... must we always have someone who doesn't know 
what the hell they're talking about be among the first to reply???
The Tandy 6000 is based on the Motorola 68000 chip and runs a Tandy 
developed version of Microsoft Xenix.  The latest version was 3.? and 
(IMHO) was a pretty decent system for its day.  All the normal *nix tools
were available for it, uucp, cc, etc..
Yes, it is old.  No, it is not useless.  We still have a handful of
clients using them and they've got no complaints.  There is still software
available for it, from a clearinghouse in Texas.  Tandy still supports the
hardware.

I can give you more information if you write directly to me.

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From: jay@gdx.UUCP (Jay Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: CDROM under SCO Xenix
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:47:45 GMT
Organization: GDX-BBS,Central Pa Unix BBS/anon uucp (717)737-3249 PEP+/2400/1200 24hrs


Has anyone gotton a CDROM to work with SCO Xenix/386, or any
of the SYSV unixes?

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: 91arble@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: C Development System
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:29:01 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Does anyone know where I can get the C development system
for a good price?  Apparently SCO only lets "authorized" dealer
sell there stuff and there is considerable mark up.

The cheapest I've found is $965, and the most expensive is $1300.

Brendan Arble                                        arble@sol.cs.wmich.edu

Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: root@trebor.uucp (Bob Stockler)
Subject: Re: Crack
Organization: Bob Stockler
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:06:45 GMT

rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:

>Im using Xenix 2.3.4GT and I have been unable to succesfuly compile Crack
>on my system, is there anyone out there that has compiled crack and has
>actualy got it to run?  I can get it to compile, but then it core dumps.
>I am the system adminstrator, and would like to really test the strength
>of the user passwords.  Thanks in advance for any help that you can provide.

Yes, I am running SCO Xenix386 v2.3.4 GT op/sys, which is not the most
important factor: I also have the SCO Xenix386 v2.3.1b dev/sys on which I
compiled it.  The compiler may be more important that the op/sys, because
I've run the "crack" program on password files I've gotten from a number
of different systems.

The majority of "cracked" passwords I've found were where users used their
own name, a name of a spouse, significant other, child, sibling, friend or
favotite "star" as a password.  It's a neat program.

>Robert Mech

>-- 
>:*: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us | Owner/Adminstrator UUMEME Public Access Xenix :*:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                         Read my lips, I just farted!
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Your signiture lines just turned me off.  Don't ask for more help from here.

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From: steveo@logitek.co.uk (Steve O'Brien)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Big drive won't boot!
Keywords: XENIX, SCO, boot
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:02:00 GMT
Organization: Logitek Plc.


Your problem is because of a limitation in the PC's bios that doesnt allow 
booting on disks of >1024 cyls.

To get round this get to the boot: prompt using the N1 disk.
Now type in "hd(40)unix root=hd(40) swap=hd(41) pipe=hd(40)"

The boot line should now read :

boot: hd(40)unix root=hd(40) swap=hd(41) pipe=hd(40)

Hit return.  You should now have booted off the hard disk.  Now use dparam
to change the hard disk parameters.  The syntax of dparam is as follows :

dparam /dev/rhd0a 

This will bring back the current parameters of the hard disk.  
Now retype the dparam command but with the parameters this time.  Change 
the first parameter entry to 1024.

Now shutdown and reboot.  You should now be able to boot of the hard disk.

( Sorry to be a bit terse with the dparam command.  I would advise you look
  at the dparam man entry first. )


By the way, don't think that by doing this you will lose some of the disk     
capacity, because you won't.


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steveo@logitek.co.uk   Steve  O'Brien  - LTSS LTD. Standish, Wigan, England, UK
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From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Boot filesystem backup/restore
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:24:45 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

System: SCO XENIX 3.2.3 GT

I have been offered the brief loan of a SCSI tape drive (150 meg) so I can
back up my root filesystem, which will let me re-install the OS and
hopefully resolve some SCSI disk problems in the process.

I have no experience with this, but understand that using tar for the backup
won't archive the device drivers. What I want to do is this: back up the
_entire_ root filesystem, re-install the OS to the point where I can restore
from tape, restore everything from tape, over-writing existing files, and
reboot.

Is that possible? If so, do I use cpio for the job? What switches should I
use?

Any suggestions welcomed :-)

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From: Alexander.Schwallbach@thedump.UUCP (Alexander Schwallbach)
Sender: FredGate@thedump.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Mscreen
Date: 15 Dec 92  05:04:22 EST

Anyone know the command line and syntax of how to use Mscreen. I have been having alot of problems trying to get this to work, and tired of banging my head on the desk.


                                                        Alex


Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: tony_wosnjuk@novell.com
Subject: Major PROBLEM, HELP HELP
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:26:48 GMT



Well, I did this time.

I was trying to change the root's shell by going to the /etc/passwd file.
I saw the "sh" and put in "ksh" but DID NOT check for the path.

The passwd file now has the entry /sbin/ksh BUT there is no ksh at /sbin.

I can't su to root because the message "no shell" comes up everytime.
I can't copy a ksh to /sbin because I have no rights to do it.

man pages for su said that if there is no entry for shell the default is  
/usr/bin/sh, but I have an invalid entry.

Please, o please. What can I do for this situation?

A careless /etc/passwd editor.

Thanks. E-mail if you can, so I don't have check NEWS all the time.
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From: claussen@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Jens Claussen)
Subject: System V-Curses Source
Summary: Curses-Source
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:34:21 GMT

Does anybody have the Source of a System V-compatible Curses-implementation?
It should at least support keypad(), wnoutrefresh(), doupdate()
and ACS_... constants. If there exists something like that, please let me 
know

Jens Claussen

claussen@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de

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From: ilan343@violet.berkeley.edu (Geraldo Veiga)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:26:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <id.LBYV.X76@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>
>Gotta be able to do it without a tape. Most people don't have them.
>
>I'm talking a *real* UNIX Lite here, not this Univel junk. Something that
>lets you come up and run applications in 6 or 8 floppies, and be able to
>do system checkout on a floppy boot sans hard disk.

Software distribution is a problem for everybody.  MS-Windows fits in
6-8 floppies, but does OS/2? will NT?  I doubt it.  MS will probably go
with CD-ROM for NT.


Univel's current software distribution options are not workable for
most people.  Either CD-ROM or QIC 24 tape.  QIC 24 tapes are sort of
alien to the PC world.  CD-ROM is probably getting popular, but I don't
think SVR4.2 supports any of the cheapo CD drives PC users are getting
from Radio Shack.  It is very hard to justify a $700 SCSI CD-ROM just
load your OS.  Colorado supposedly has SVR4.2 drivers for their Jumbo
Tape drives, but you can't install the OS from their tapes.

>
>This implies that most of the shell scripts used for booting and basic
>administration, all the way up to running X, can't require anything
>you can't fit on a 1.2K floppy. It's OK to have the kernel on a separate
>disk, but only as a last resort.

That would be great indeed, but even DOS 5.0 is too big for that.  I
would settle for an inexpensive way to load the OS.  What about the new
20M optical/mag floppies?  Is anyone supporting them yet?

Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: SVR4.2 based products
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:04:54 GMT
Keywords: Destiny

In article <1992Dec4.212810.17392@e2big.mko.dec.com>
	vsp@peewee.enet.dec.com (Vipul Patel) writes:

>	Since USL has announced their Destiny product,
>	which ISV's sells SVR4.2 based systems? I know
>	about Univel and Consensys. Do Dell, UHC, SCO
>	or orhters have plans/products based on SVR4.2?

Last I heard, ESIX 4.2 was in Beta. No release date set yet.

>	Univell's "Application Server" package is much
>	more expensive than Consensys's "Unlimited User
>	Complete" package. What are pros/cons of these
>	two (and others, if any) systems?

Amongst the pieces of UnixWare not included with Consensys are:

- Full support for NetWare protocols. This is not a standard part of 4.2,
  but is an integral bundled part of all editions of Univel.

- DOS-under-UNIX. Apparently Locus Merge has been substantially
  re-written, in order to allow DOS-Windows software to share space in the
  Destiny desktop. A text-based Merge is bundled with all Univel base
  products, and the Windows enhancement is a (not yet released) option.

- Third-party hardware support. As in the past, Consensys officially
  supports the hardware supported in the USL base code, as well as its own
  peripherals. There are a number of peripherals supported by UnixWare
  but not Consensys, including MicroChannel peripherals and NE2000
  compatible network cards. (I imagine, though, that most third party
  drivers written for UnixWare will work on Consensys).

Whether the above "features" are important depends, of course, on the
need. Someone who doesn't need NetWare or Merge may be hard pressed to
justify the the substantial difference in price between the two.

Then there are other, less-tangible factors. Univel looks to be ramping
up a fairly decent technical support department.
-- 
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         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot)
Subject: any unix for MCA bus machines?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:36:58 GMT

hello,

IBM has some really attractive deals on their PS/2 Model 77s (DX/2 66).
Is there any unix (preferably SVR4) that will support an MCA machine?

I have used AIX 1.2 and it is not an option.

Thank you for your time,

Dwayne Fontenot (fontenot@ravl.rice.edu)
From: R.S.Jones@qmw.ac.uk (Robert S. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: Problems with "dirent"
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:48:02 GMT
Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College (London)
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7535A59CD010882@rsj.css.qmw.ac.uk>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:48:09 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13

In article <1992Dec13.193122.22173@osnbe.Olivetti.ch> Richard H. E. Eiger,
rheiger@renext.open.ch writes:
>I can only assume that there has to be something depending on additional  
>libraries (I have to use -lsocket -lnsl -lucb). Can anyone confirm?

I think you NEED an explicit -lc *before* the -lucb. There is of course an
invisible implicit one after it! :-) On my SVr4 (an ICL DRS6000 running DRS/NX
- but what the heck!) leaving this out causes all sorts of weird problems with
BSD and AT&T library routines having the same name but slightly different
shaped parameters.

     Hope this helps.     Bob Jones
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: top?
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:08:09 GMT

benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) writes:


>Anyone got a pointer to a copy of top and / or mon for V.4?

top is shipped with the stock Dell 2.2 distribution --
check the sources directories on dell2.dell.com

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keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: SVR4 4.0 using DOS paritions with Merge of NFS
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:23:51 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <BzB1o4.JBq@news.rn.com>, larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
| Is it possible using Merge locally to access a DOS file system
| on another machine running SVR4 mounted via NFS?

  I think that if you can mount the DOS partition with the mount command
you can export it. Seems to me I did this with an SCO system, mounting
and exporting and using it elsewhere. I may be thinking of the CD-ROM,
though. I don't think Dell will let you mount a DOS partition, so the
answer may be no in this case.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: vogety@CS.ColoState.EDU (ramanagopal vogety)
Subject: Bugs in SVR4.*
Originator: vogety@CS.ColoState.EDU
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:25:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


Keywords: 

A few weeks back there was posting here giving some details of some of the
bugs detected in SVR4.*. If anyone has a copy of it, can (s)he send that to
me by e-mail?

Thanx in advance.
-Gopal
vogety@cs.colostate.edu
Graduate Student
CS DEpt.
CSU,Fort Collins CO 80521
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Subject: Dell SVR4 in an NIS Environment
Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
Organization: Tim Evans
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:01:17 GMT

I administer a mostly-Sun-with-some-AIX network and have just added a
Dell SVR4 Issue 2.2 host to the network.  Although all the yp* 
stuff is there, Dell tech support says it doesn't work, and can't
be made to work.  Assuming this is correct, how (if at all) can
I have the Dell system participate in my NIS/automount universe
where anyone can log in anywhere and have their normal environment?
/etc/passwd has different formats, so I can't just rdist it; I suppose
automounter maps can be rdist-ed.  What other ideas are there?

Also, any tips on NFS-mounting (hard- or auto-) the mail spool
from my Sun main mail host?
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From: ilan343@violet.berkeley.edu (Geraldo Veiga)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:15:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <BzJ23G.Any@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>Who says a CD-ROM drive has to cost $700?  I'm flipping through a
>bunch of rags here, and I'm seeing prices like: $188, $219, $199
>(some of these include a bunch of disks, too).  Yeah, these are not
>the fast ones... access times 600ms and worse; and they're not SCSI
>interfaces, but that's not important when you're only using it to
>load software (rather than accessing Multi-Media databases).  Face
>it, CD-ROM is the distribution medium of the future, and the future
>is now.

I would settle for one of those, but they are not supported by SVR4.2.
I assume they all have some "funny" AT bus interface and depend on
manufacture supplied drivers.  Maybe PC OS vendors should make an effort
of writing a driver for one these cheap CD players and including the
hardware with the OS.  The extra  cost wouldn't be far from the cost of
na all floppy distribution.


Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:10:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.014048.26507@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
> In <id.89SV.GJ8@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> :In article <1992Dec10.232841.7252@solucor.uucp> jack@solucor.uucp (Jacques Gelinas) writes:
> :> >implementation problems that have so far been stumbling blocks in the path
> :> >to the general acceptance of UNIX, so I expect that it will fail.

> :> What is lacking ?

> :The ability to stick a floppy in a brand new computer, turn it on, and
> :have it come up running UNIX.

> SCO ODT 2.0 is almost that simple.  Stick in a floppy, stick in
> a tape, answer a few questions about system name, set root
> passsword, wait for tape to finish loading.

Gotta be able to do it without a tape. Most people don't have them.

I'm talking a *real* UNIX Lite here, not this Univel junk. Something that
lets you come up and run applications in 6 or 8 floppies, and be able to
do system checkout on a floppy boot sans hard disk.

This implies that most of the shell scripts used for booting and basic
administration, all the way up to running X, can't require anything
you can't fit on a 1.2K floppy. It's OK to have the kernel on a separate
disk, but only as a last resort.

> :Windows 3.1 can be installed and run by a naive user.

> Not if you want anything other than a minimal PC without any
> additional hardware or software.

Yes, but no UNIX system I've seen does even that well.

> :> Make UNIXWARE $150 and you will see a different story.

> :Not unless several years worth of veneer are stripped off. Otherwise, why
> :are people still buying Macs?

> Why did people buy IBM PCs in the first place.

Because IBM told them they could run all their old CP/M software, and they
believed them. People are more sophisticated now.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: York University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:30:10 GMT

|peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
|>Windows 3.1 can be installed and run by a naive user.

  Oddly enough, so can Ultrix 4.3

  I pretended to be utterly ignorant and worked my way
through an across-the-net installation of ultrix on a
5000-25.
  I found one place where I had to re-read the previous
paragraph to see what was meant by ``slot''.

  I found more problems in doing a so-called ``advanced install'',
where I was assumed to be a sysadmin already.

--dave
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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: Dell SVR4 in an NIS Environment
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:05:19 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Dec12.020117.4802@fallst>, tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans) writes:
| I administer a mostly-Sun-with-some-AIX network and have just added a
| Dell SVR4 Issue 2.2 host to the network.  Although all the yp* 
| stuff is there, Dell tech support says it doesn't work, and can't
| be made to work.  Assuming this is correct, how (if at all) can
| I have the Dell system participate in my NIS/automount universe
| where anyone can log in anywhere and have their normal environment?
| /etc/passwd has different formats, so I can't just rdist it; I suppose
| automounter maps can be rdist-ed.  What other ideas are there?

  Dell automount does work, even if yp doesn't (and I'm not sure that's
completely true). You do have a problem with distributing the hosts
file, because Dell has a shadow password file and many BSD based systems
don't. Actually older SysV systems don't either, and I think you would
have to distribute the shadow file, too.

  Other than making a Dell machine your ypmaster (you can combine the
passwd and shadow files with a script), I don't have any good ideas for
that.

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