From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:39:17 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu


In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU>, toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
> 
>   As opposed to Washington, who has played high school football teams and 
>   no top ten teams.  Yes, they have played 3 teams that are or were in the top
>   25, but so has Miami (Iowa was ranked much like Cal. was...) Victories over
>   #3 and #5/7, as well as #23 (or whatever Iowa was ranked) is much more 
>   impressive than victories over #11 #18, and #23 (Whatever Cal. was ranked when
>   they played Washington).  And, looking at who they both have left, Miami
>   still has 3 more ranked opponents to play (Boston College #20, WVirginia#24,
>   and #14 Syracuse) as opposed to Washington and their 2 more(#22 WSU, and
>   #8 Stanford).  Say they both go undefeated..  What sounds better
>   Miami with it's 6 ranked opponents, at least 2 of which were top 7 teams,
>   or Washington with it's 5 ranked opponents??  And, if we look at only
>   right now, Miami has beaten PSU/FSU which were ranked at the time, and still
>   are, and Iowa who was ranked, but isn't any longer.  They also have to 
>   play Boston COllege this week, another ranked team (though if they get beat,
>   they probably won't be any longer either).  Out of 6 games, that would be
>   6 ranked opponents, two in the top 7.  Washington has played 3 ranked teams,
>   one of which is no longer ranked, and none in the top 10.  
>   Seems to me that Washington is playing the patsies here...

	With all these woofing going on here in the middle of the season,
who is #1 or who played tougher oppenents at this point is really 
inconsequencial.  True, Washington opponents may not be as tough as
Miami's opponents ( Or it seems like it)  But to call them patsies?
Well.  I don't think so.  But I leave this for the rest of the PAC-10
woofers to argue.  

	We will just have to see that by the end of the season, how many
PAC-10 teams are ranked and how many teams are in the bowl games.  And
how many teams win their respective bowl games.  We'll also have to do the 
same for the Miami Opponents.  That might be a better indication than 
verbal wrisling.

	FYI  Vegas Line - Miami 35 over TCU
		        - Washington 17 over Oregon
 	
	Source:  American Forum radio show

- Chung Yang
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> 
> Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
> Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
> have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
> then Miami #1. Who has FSU, Penn St and Iowa played? Clemson? Piddly. Miami
> just isn't in the Pac-10, and doesn;t have to face the level of 
> competition that the Pac-10 provides year in and year out.
> --
> toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma
> 
> Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
> doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...