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From: shogun@tension.UUCP (Jay Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:14:56 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <1992Dec12.171958.8306@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
A) writes:
>In article <70750,443-101292161602@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike)
writes:
>>In article <1g640cINN4vo@mozz.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G
>>Greene) wrote:
>> 
>>>    I can also multitask most of my games, since
>>>    I have OS2.  So this is not an Amiga only capability.
>>
>>Yes, but Amiga owners do not have to have 16 MB
>>of RAM to use this capability of their OS. Nor does
>>Amiga's OS take up 30 MB of HD space. *This,* IMO
>>is what produced the HD status quo among PCs -
>>people needed lots HD space to run their big, messy
>>operating systems.
>
>I do not have 16 megs in my 386.  I do not take up 30megs of
>HD space with my OS/2 2.0.  Blam! Blam! Your point are blown to
>pieces!
>
>>Hmm. Maybe we should try and get C= to make Amiga
>>DOS 4.0 bigger, nastier, buggier, etc. so Amiga
>>owners will no longer be able to run it from floppies,
>>and will be *forced* to purchase a HD.
>
>Why won't you guys figure out that there is a *reason* why OS/2 _can_
>take up a lot of room?
>
>>Naaah . . .
>
>I thought so.
>
>>Spike
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu
 
>
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
How much room does yopur system take up?  Can it run off of a single floppy? 
How much memory do you have?  Can you multitask that game in under four megs
while the os is running?  OS2 can take up so much memory, because clone users
are used to needing that much memory because the machines are so damn cheap the
clone makers put the memory on there to make it sound more impressive.  In a
clone one meg is not the same as a meg on the amiga, because on one meg in a
clone you can do very little, where as in one meg on an Amiga you can do a lot.
 Hell, I think they may have even written OS2 in Ada just to pump up the file
sizes.
                Jay Brown

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hitch@cs1.bradley.edu (Douglas Hanna)
Subject: PowerPackerQuestion 
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:31:26 GMT

I've already have the PowerPacker library and stuff and I was
wondering if someone could give me some help in setting it up.

All I have is the FFish file (#2xx) I forget the number and I 
wonder if there is any upgrades that I should get to increase
efficence/features.

--
       Douglas Hanna           Bradley University, Peoria, Illinois, USA 
       HITCHhiker (042)        hitch@cs1.bradley.edu 

What the world could really use right now is a $4000 computer for $40!
From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More on backup tape drives.
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:22:50 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <71253@cup.portal.com> DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) writes:
>To hook up a tape drive to the Amiga you need a SCSI tape drive (QIC or
>DAT), space inside you machine or an external box, and some software. I've 
>used 2 different drive recently (an Archive 525 meg and a WangDat 2 gig).
>I just plugged them into my external case with a cable coming from the 
>external port of my SupraWordsync controller and attached the power cord.

Is this exactly *all* you need?

How do you mount the drive without a handler and mountlist entry?
Currently, I'm wrestling with BTNtape, but I can't get past what the
tapemon program claims is a physical tape error.

What handler do you use?

Agitator
  #->

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: I gave up. NO RECOVERY!!!
Date: 9 Dec 92 10:41:07 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Dec8.165634.16892@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>meixner@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner) writes:
>
>>Have you tried Diskdoctor ? Sometimes it helps .
>
>Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, use diskdoctor on your HD.

Hmm, where do all these negative experiences come from? I'm also very
cautious when I use it and until now, it did only good to me. To explain
my way of being "cautious": I know a little how to use a disk monitor,
so I do the life-important fixes by hand with this monitor. But when it
comes down to adapting checksums for a load of blocks, updating the
bitmap blocks etc., I use the OS. E.g. after my last repair, I saw that
there were obviously some blocks still marked as occupied that were
actually free. DiskDoctor did it for me. Yes, in this special case, I
also could have used a forced validation, but you get the pictiure:
Doing the hard stuff by hand, and let DD do the dull work :-).

-- 
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Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: New Product Releases
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:54:30 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec11.233530.6340@pro-freedom.cts.com> eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:
>> I still don't think it's possible, it'd have to be a major hack, and
>> you probably couldn't go back to ECS afterwords.

>If you "couldn't go back to ECS afterwords", wouldn't the whole idea be
>pretty silly?  About 99% of the software out there NEEDS the ECS chips to
>function.  The ones that support AGA are great but they are the vast
>minority and probably will be for some time to come.  

ECS Fallback is a feature of the AGA chipset.  The chips "come up" in an ECS
compatible mode (there's one minor glitch, the sprites come up doubled, but 
can easily be set to ECS compatible).  Actually, most things that look will
think the AGA chips are pre-ECS, since the ID registers aren't the same as
ECS.  99% of the software out these should find no fault with the AGA chips.
In fact, if anything, 3.0 would cause more problems (I know of a few bugs in
some of the software I use that were exposed by 3.0, but nothing I couldn't
work around).

-- 
Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
 "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
		SCIENCE:	"I'll believe it when I see it"  
		RELIGION:	"I'll see it when I believe it"
From: ad010@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Wilhelm Stiefelhagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Dismounting a Device?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:06:12 +0100
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne
NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de

In <1gn66gINN51f@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ry41@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernhard Moellemann) writes:

>In article <1gj811INNg16@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, bubblz@ecst.csuchico.edu (Boy Wonder) writes:
>>In article <1gicdnINNijs@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> ad010@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Wilhelm Stiefelhagen) writes:

>>>So I used it only a few times (but without problems) when testing
>>>a new edited mountlist without willing to reboot after every correction.

>>I can't see any reason to not use it.  You'd have to be REAL stupid to mess
>>anything up by re-assigning a device.  Maybe something like:
>>assign SYS: NULL: :-)

>You are not a programmer 8-) Things like that are not really dangerous.

>"Assign Dismount" removes data structures from the system which _might_ be
>still used by the handler/filesystem.

>So use it with care if you know, what you are doing - do not use it otherwise.
>(Or be prepared to crash 8-)

I use some tool to dismount old devices and mount the same devices again
with different parameters for my SCSI Magneto optical disk. By default
I am only allowed to change media of same partion data, if I use
partions with different sizes on this removable media and I change
the disk, I use this special program. In some cases there are structures
left (for example if you still have a shell (or more dangerous a file) open
on this device). So there will be a lot of icons for busy devices on the
screen. But I did not have problems with that. The worst case was:
I had to reboot to access the device again.
No really harm did happen to me.
(But nobody will promise :-))

Willi
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Wilhelm Stiefelhagen               ad010@rrz.uni-koeln.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Minimum Room Temperature for an Amiga
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:21:50 GMT

In <10235@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <crystal.723778083@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>
>>I just talked to a Commodore technician.  I was told that the minimum 
>>recommended room temperature for operating an Amiga is 41 degrees Fahrenheit.

>(Please, almighty god, teach those Amis SI units!!! PLEASE! We *never* use
>Fahrenheit, so we also have no conversion formula. Is this below zero (C)?)

It's approximately 4C

(Please, teach those Euros the conversion formulas)  ;>

C= (F-32)/1.8
F= 1.8 C +32

Some of us have to deal with Canadian measurements...;>
(As well as French...:< )

Crystal
  ;>
From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ------> Using SCSI Tape Drives on my Amiga
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:32:32 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

You shouldn't have much trouble using a SCSI drive on an Amiga. In the past 
month I have connected two kinds to my A2000. If you get Quarterback
or AmiBack (best), you don;t need mountlists or handlers. You just plug in
the drive and run the backup software.
Let me know if you need any other info.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:18693 comp.sys.amiga.introduction:1693
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Clipping text...
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:35:21 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler) writes:


>I'm curious... I know I can point and drag and block a section of text using
>2.0+, but how do I cut and paste? What key combinations allow me to do this?

The keys are the interplatform standards - x, c, and v.  X cuts (and stores
the clipped text in the buffer), c copies the text to the buffer, and v
pastes the buffer text into the console (or whatever) at the insertion point.

The control key you need when holding these down, however, isn't standardized
across platforms.  On the Mac, it's the Apple key.  On the PC, it depends
entirely what you're using, since the PC doesn't have any peculiar control
keys (not having been designed to run a GUI).  On the NeXT, it's the command
key.  On the Amiga, it's the open Amiga key, or "right command".

>-Oliver

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From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No Amiga in New Media Multimedia Tool Guide
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:36:55 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

>Why is it that every time CBM gets pooped on or ignored by the media, the
>customers of CBM Inc end up doing the damage control?  It's very annoying
>to see the marketing division screw up and then here we go to the nets
>again... 
>
>For a few moments there it actually looked like CBM was actually going to
>market thier machine... now it looks like we're back to old tricks again.
>Sorry, but if CBM wants publicity for the Amiga, they're going to have to
>pipe some cash out of Uncle Irving's pockets and use it to get the word
>out.
>
>I'll recommend the Amiga to anyone that asks.  But I'll not do Marketing's
>job for them.  Foo.
>
>-- 
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>jeff_grimmett@f1401.n202.z1.fidonet.org  @ jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
> The opinions expressed in this message are thoughtful, reasoned, and logical.
>       It goes without saying that they are not those of my employer.
>****************************************************************************
**
 
There is a good reason why CBM has turned to their userbase(FINALLY!).  If a
CBM marketing Rep goes up to New Media and says "Ahem, forget something?"  The
New Media Rep says, "Nope!"  HOWEVER, if 5,000 letters and subscription
cancellations come to NewMedia complaining about inadequate coverage of an
excellent multimedia platform, it carries quite a bit more weight.  Ergo, the
best advertising CBM can to is word of mouth and drumming up flame mail to
magazines that fail to cover the Amiga adequately.
 
John
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:35:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Dec20.003505.6814
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> but since Amiga users seem to think they
> are important (which is not to say that Amiga's are not used for other
> things, just that Amiga users in general are more game oriented then
> other platform users)  No flames please!  It wasn't a slight, just a
> fact.


No, it's NOT a fact.  It's a stereotype.  This Amiga user almost never
plays games... and this is not a flame, just a correction.  ;-)



        -=- Ed


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From: ftegerer@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Frohwalt Egerer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Virtual memory (VD0)
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:23:28 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui00g.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

900512j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Pete Jorgensen) writes:


> I remember reading somewhere that you can "expand" your amiga through the
>use of vitual memory. I thought that the device driver (assuming there is one)
>and mountlist entry came with WorkBench (1.3) but they are not there. Could
>someone direct me to where I might be able to find both the mountlist and
>device driver, or (dare I beg :-)) send them to me? Thanks.


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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:18720 comp.sys.amiga.emulations:5553
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: HELP!!! validating HD
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:07:07 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Dec14.142211.7855@unibi.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>, uteca036@unibi.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Ruediger Kaatz) writes:
>In article <92347.060235ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Does anyone know how to correct this problem?  About every 6 months a
>>situation will arise where the system crashes while it is writing to the
>>hard disk.  When I reboot, I get a disk error due to a bad key.  The disk
>>won't validate.  I can still read from it except for the file that was being
>>written when the crash occurred.  I cannot, however, write to the hard disk
>>because it is not validated.  I usually reformat the disk and start from
>>scratch, but it seem like it should be fixable.  (Like if you could override
>>the need for validation and erase the corrupt file). Any ideas? or pd programs
>>I should know about?
>>  Much Thanks
>>    Anthony Beecher
>
>Hi there!
>
>I had the same problem before and just used Quaterback Tools to repair the
>Volume, its just not PD.
>
>Bye Rudi!
>
There is also some new PD program called Detach, that will allow the volume
the be revalidated so you can delete the "evil" file.. :)


I believe it is on amiga.physik  (130.60.80.80)


Jim
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From: cheungc@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Carson Cheung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Converting Kickstart disks for use with SKick
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:57:33 GMT

Does anybody know if it is possible to convert an A100 Kickstart
disk into a format which skick will understand.
I have got an A1000 & an A500 Plus but the A1000 died on me a while
back and I have had lots of compatibility problems since.

Replies By e-mail please

Thanks

Carson Cheung
From: Prolific@cup.portal.com (Jeff R Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 2090 controller
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:18:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

  I have a 2090.  The three connectors at the top center of the board are
for ST-506 drives (MFM).  The external and internal SCSI connectors are
at the rear of the card.  If your Quantum drive happens to be IDE, it will
not work with the 2090.  You did not specify if the Quantum drive is SCSI
or IDE.

Jeff Lindstrom
Prolific@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: swnet.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dat91lho@ludat.lth.se (Lars Holmgren)
Subject: What PD is essential for new 2.1 owner?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Lund University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:17:36 GMT

Hi!

After running KS1.2 in my A500 for 4 2/3 years I've just got
KS 2.04 WB 2.1.

What I want to know is:
 Which PD programs do you think that I can't live without?
 Screensaver, antivirus, ...

/Lars

PS. Don't hesitate to mail your reply!

---------------------------------------------
    Lars Holmgren - dat91lho@ludat.lth.se
    Topasvgen 32    (+46)(0)46- 70 99 02
    S-240 21 Lddekpinge
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: "jay rymal" <jay.rymal@canrem.com>
Subject: wanted: your comments
Reply-To: "jay rymal" <jay.rymal@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:52:56 EST

JRB> hhll@stein.u.washington.edu(Steven Hodas) writes:
JRB> >dtiberio@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
JRB> >
JRB> >>   I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS - IN MY OPINION THEY ARE NOT
JRB> RELIABLE
JRB> >
JRB> >I really, really like my Supra v.32bis. I had no trouble setting it
JRB> up,
JRB> >it's fast as hell, the faxes are great, the software is great, the
JRB> price
JRB> >is great, the display is great, the manual is great, and the company
JRB> has a
JRB> >terrific ROM upgrade policy.
JRB> >
JRB> >I WOULD RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS UNRESERVEDLY-I HAVE HAD FEWER PROBLEMS
JRB> WITH
JRB> >IT (0, TO BE EXACT) THAN ANY OF MY FRIENDS HAVE HAD WITH OTHER HIGH
JRB> SPEED
JRB> >MODEMS.

JRB> Ditto. In spades.

I concurr wholeheartedly...I've been reading David Tiberio's requests for all
those having problems with their Supras to write to him and I've wondered what
the heck he was talking about, as I've had mine since June 92 or so with no
problemo.

Then I read a thread of posts to FidoNet in discussion with Jack Radigan,
author of JRcomm etc.  and the problems encountered when people used his
software and the Supra...crashes et al.

It was finally decided that it wasn't the Supra v.32bis's fault, but the
JRcomm!!  and serial.device.

I use Term 2.4 (where is 2.4a I ask?) and love it!  does all the emulations
i need, vt102, vt340, ibm etc and is the best example of Commodore Amiga
Style Guide programming I've yet seen.

Concequetly I've had 0 problems with the modem, other than when I call
boards with a certain software designed by a local programmer in the southern
Ontario area, running on PC's with USR HST DS's....not friendly...

please check your sources and prove your point before slandering a decent
product!

                                Jay Rymal.
                                UofT Computer Shop
                                Toronto Ontario

                                How 'bout them Blue Jay's eh?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hitch@cs1.bradley.edu (Douglas Hanna)
Subject: GIF converter
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:22:59 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get a good GIFF --> IFF converter out there 
for my Ami?  I've got a couple of giff's that I want to look at and my
Itty Bitty Machine (clone) is only CGA (Sucks for graphics :( ). Help
would be aprepciated.  PS. The simpler the program the better.  Unless
there is one with all the bells and whistles, but allows for simple
conversions.  Thanks in advance.
--
       Douglas Hanna           Bradley University, Peoria, Illinois, USA 
       HITCHhiker (042)        hitch@cs1.bradley.edu 

What the world could really use right now is a $4000 computer for $40!
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Minimum Room Temperature for an Amiga
Date: 9 Dec 92 08:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <crystal.723778083@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>
>I just talked to a Commodore technician.  I was told that the minimum 
>recommended room temperature for operating an Amiga is 41 degrees Fahrenheit.

(Please, almighty god, teach those Amis SI units!!! PLEASE! We *never* use
Fahrenheit, so we also have no conversion formula. Is this below zero (C)?)

Well, there is indeed a limit. I only know the german term "Taupunkt"
(perhaps condensation point?): You get inevitable humidity condensation
below this temperature. Condensation is absolute poison at least for
floppy drives, but also can cause shorts and corrosion. If you e.g.
carry a floppy with you through the cold, you should *never* put it
directly in *any* computer, might cost you the r/w head, you have to
let it warm up.

-- 
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Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!