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From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
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Subject: TAN: Aldus Freehand book wanted!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:33:49 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Well, I know this isn't PM but it's _Aldus_ related :) .

I'm looking around for Real World Freehand for Windows by Olav Martin 
Kvern.  I think it's published by Peachpit Press.  I've looked around the 
city here to no avail and employee at a specialty bookstore told me after 
6.5 weeks after placing an order that the book was no longer in print.

If you know someone who has this, if you have it or if you can obtain it 
for me, please e-mail me, I'm more than willing to buy it from whomever.

Thanks and ciao!

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From: henryb@SCO.COM (Henry Budgett)
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Subject: TAN: PC's can read Mac disks
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:25:35 GMT
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{}Cindy writes...

{}> For $40 you avoid all the crap you just went thru.....  Call Dayna at (801)
{}> 531-0203 for info on DOS Mounter.  Cause the Mac is smarter than the PC ,
 you
{}> put Dos mounter on the mac and it can then read both mac and pc disks.

{}The ``Boneman'' writes...
{}I must admitt I never thought I would come down on the side of the PC, but
{}just to set the record straight here, Cindy.  The PC has had solutions that
{}could read the Mac floppy for some time now (i.e. - Central Point's Copy II
{}PC option board is bundled with a couple of very simple mdir and mcopy tools
{}that allows you to read and write Mac 800K and 1.4M floppies in the PC's High
{}Density drive.  This solution does require the add-in board, so I suppose
{}this smacks of your "dumb PC" comment).  However, Peripheral Land Inc.
{}introduced a cheaper, all software version a few months ago.  It's called MAC-
{}to-DOS (FeeCee programmers were never as "alliterate" as Mac coders), and
{}runs about $70 on the street.  I've used both and they work fine, provided
{}you're moving files from/to like applications (or text files).

I'm sorry to upset you all but...

The BEST, indeed the ONLY real solution is MacLink Plus from
DataViz (which ships DosMounter as part of the pack) as this
offers both transport and translation layers. It knows about file
formats too so PageMaker to PageMaker is seamless and totally
transparent. The new version also works under Windows as well as
DOS (both in the same pack) and allows you to control from PC as
well as Mac.

I've been using this since 1986 (Mac Plus and an XT with 10M!!)
and neither it nor the company has ever let me down. I even
BOUGHT it - and for those that know my background this should
indicate how much respect I have for the product!

As a multi-software user on DOS, Mac, Windows and Unix I find
that translation and seamless transport is essential - sure
DosMounter is an element of this but you can do it with a 3-wire
serial cable, RedRyder and Procomm if you know what you're at. If
you want real productivity gains from a mixed environment then
MacLink pays for itself in days - literally.

On the subject of power (relative between PC architecture and
Macintosh) there is only one measure that means anything - does
it enable you to get the job done properly, on time and to
budget. If not then you need more power or, more likely, better
training. Raw number crunching is not, of itself, a rational
measure. For example, a friend recently bought a new 486/66 with
all the trimmings. It's now too fast! One careless move of the
mouse and you've scrolled right off the page...

Henry


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From:   BITNET%"STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET"      "PMS - PAGEMAKR SORCERESS"  6-DEC-199
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To:     Angela Monts <AMONTS@IUBACS.BITNET>, susan duhon <DUHON@IUBACS.BITNET>,
Jim Gray <GRAYJ@IUBACS.BITNET>, NANCY POLING <NPOLING@IUBACS.BITNET>, cindy ston
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Subj:   PageMakr pasting vs. PageMakr placing  using Scrapbook

NOTE:  this method created a .pict file for me -- and PM Mac 4.2 doesn't print
my .pict files very well, so if you have trouble printing, don't use .pict cps

Greetings Fellow PM netters:-----------------------

As a new mac user, I didn't know the difference between pasting something from
scrapbook into PageMakr, and placing something from scrapbook into PageMakr.
Thanks to Ken Weiss at UC Davis, a member of this list, I do now.  I learned
that you get different results when you paste as compared to when you place.

If you have multiple items from PM that you copy into your scrapbook and want
them back into PM they come back in differently.  If you PLACE them from
scrapbook (file/place or command D) you'll end up with all of the items
joined together as a .pict  which is great for stuff like sunken caps you want
to text wrap.

If you paste from scrapbook back into PM, them multiple items come back in
as multiple items.

Below is part of Ken's message to me and the steps to placing from scrapbook
into PageMakr 4.0.

Let me know (or better yet Ken if you don't understand)....




To use the Scrapbook to PLACE: Here's the method Ken uses, with 100% success:

1.   Select File/Place

2.   Use the  Place dialog box to open your System Folder (if you don't know
     how to do this, you should!)

3.   Scroll through the file list in your System Folder until you find the
     Scrapbook File

4.   Double click on the Scrapbook File

5.   You will be returned to your PM document. Your cursor will change to
     something that looks to me like a hypodermic needle, with a number on
     it. The number represents the number of items in the scrapbook. Each time
     you click the mouse, another item from the Scrapbook will be placed
     into your document. To stop placing things before the Scrapbook is empty,
     click on any tool in the toolbox.

Note that placing the Scrapbook is non-destructive -- it doesn't actually
empty it out.  Also note, if you just copied something into scrapbook, and now
wish to place into PM so it comes in as a pict YOU MUST HAVE CLOSED THE SCRAP-
BOOK WINDOW.  (This was a problem for Cindy who uses multifinder... she kept
getting error boxes saying active window/busy....)

Ken
krweiss@ucdavis.edu

Cindy
stonec@iubacs or
stonec@iubacs.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 13:44:02 EST
From: Kevin Foss <IO20816@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Re: TAN: Shareware Mac disk reader for PC

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921120055713.416@dopig.uab.edu>, Jeff Bone
<JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU> says:
>
>Kevin Foss writes...
>
>> Jeff, I'm going to reference you to the quote of the original message above,
>> and reiterate that it should be in the DTPForum on Compuserve.
>
>Great, but could you give us the specific library number and filename for
>those of us who hate to see those CompuServe charges every month on our
>credit card (Navigating through all those menus and searching for a file
>takes so much time on-line).
>

Well, I'm sorry... I do all of my processing using automated programs, and
I would just make a simple BRO request for the program to do, and then
after reading a file description offline just mark it and go...  and only deal
with the original filename once.  Sorry... I don't think their would be take
too long to browse the relevant library, I thought it would be obviously in
there pretty blatantly.   Anyways, it's possibly moot as I soon the file is
coming down UUENCODED.
If anyone who e-mailed, no longer wants the file to be sent to them *please*
e-mail me.. thanks.
-Kevin
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                             2)  kevin_foss@macact.umeres.maine.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:54:59 +0000
Reply-To:     Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject:      making text stretchable with scrapbook (MAC)

{}I've read here and elsewhere that in Pagemaker one can take text,
{}paste it to the scrapbook, copy it from the scrapbook, paste it in
{}your document, and end up with a graphic: that is, one that can be
{}cropped, stretched, etc.

This trick works ONLY in Mac PageMaker and you must PLACE, not
paste - the Scrapbook looks like a multipage icon, just keep
placing until you get the one you want.

Great trick but less used now we have things like TypeAlign and
PageMaker's own Set width options.
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Reply-To:     Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
From:         Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      EXCEL 4.0 Filter for PC PM4

Anybody know where this is available? Pref FTP.

Fran_holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu
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Reply-To:     TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Good news, FAQ related

Hello Folks!

Well it looks like we have an official home for our FAQs and support
documents again. WUARCHIVES.WUSTL.EDU has graciously allowed us an
area on their server to be available via anonymous FTP. There are
also a few other sites that are also open to the idea.

I was just so excited that we have our own special account of
WUARCHIVES that I had to send everyone a message. I will upload the
files this weekend (I have to find a mac to archive them again...)

I will post the directory and the other sites on Monday (I hope) and
then we will be back in business!

Geof.
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From:         TAWILSON@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Accents and other extended characters

If you're using PM for PC, there is a template for Aldus Character Set
Publication; you can test each of your fonts to see what Alt-#s will
create.  Just select the right column in each row (it's one connected
type block I believe) and change the font.  I've printed out several for
easy reference.  Buena suerte (I've never figured out accents, etc. on
e-mail, though).  I'd say good luch in French, but then I would show just
how ignorant I really am.

Todd Wilson
Ohio Wesleyan U.
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From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Shareware Mac disk reader for PC

Kevin Foss writes...

> Jeff, I'm going to reference you to the quote of the original message above,
> and reiterate that it should be in the DTPForum on Compuserve.

Great, but could you give us the specific library number and filename for
those of us who hate to see those CompuServe charges every month on our
credit card (Navigating through all those menus and searching for a file
takes so much time on-line).



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** Electronic Imaging Coordinator            AppleLink: jbone
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From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SAS to Pagemaker, Table Editor

> If anyone does know how to transfer graphs from SAS to Pagemaker, please post
> to the list or to my address, GS0383@SpringB.bitnet. Also, I tried to export a
> table from Table Editor to Word and it seems to be impossible. I tried to copy
> and paste it. Does anyone know how to do this?

Melanie:

SAS :  Does SAS let you save it in anyother format besides some
proprietary way? If so, there are conversion programs for just about
any major graphic format.  HPG, PCX, TIF, GIF, EPS, etc.

As to Table Editor to Word -- I wish you luck. To be honest, I would
hesitate on using TE for anything that might be valuable, requiring a
short amount of time, or has to be exported....

Geof. [Sorry not too much help]


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From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: Mac ==> PC Conversion
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:58:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


In most cases you need more than just a utility program like DOS
Mounter, Apple File Exchange, or Access PC and a Mac with a
SuperDrive to move files between Mac and DOS machines.  Programs
like the above simply allow your Mac to TRANSFER files to and
from DOS 3.5" disks. If the file is in a format the Mac or DOS
program can't read, the file needs to TRANSLATED into a format
the receiving program can understand. Sometimes the programs
involved have export and import filters that you can use to
translate the file (i.e.  using the "Save As" and "Open"
commands). If they don't, you have to use a third program such as
an intemediate program that can import and export in formats both
programs understand or use a specialized file translation program
such as MacLink Plus/PC.
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Subject: Re: Mac ==> PC Conversion
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:10:27 GMT
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yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mac ==> PC Conversion

One question about Mac to PC Conversions:

Doesn't the Default Mac to MS-DOS translator in Apple File Exchange do the same
thing -- when you turn off all the other translators? (That is, remove the data
fork, etc., and do a direct binary translation of files rather than a Macbinary
translation.)

Monte
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From: reinstat@byron.u.washington.edu (Robert Reinstatler)
Subject: Re: HELP: accents
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:20:57 GMT

In article <9211201751.AA28096@whistler.sfu.ca> Gladys_We@SFU.CA writes:
>Here in Canada, we frequently need to use accents for French words.
>However, the documentation that comes with software doesn't always tell us
>how to do it. (Table of ASCII character codes don't help!)
>
>So, that being the case, can anyone tell me how to do grave (`) & acute &
>caret (^) & cedilla accents on PageMaker on Windows? (I do know how to do
>it on the Mac; that's one area where the Mac is definitely more convenient
>than the IBM!)
>
Version 3.1 of the Windows Operating Environment has an accessory program
called Character Map that will display the entire character set for a font
and allow you place individual characters that do not have counterparts on
the normal keyboard.  Character Map also tells you the Alt+nnn code for 
each character as well.  You can run it as an icon so you can pop into it
in a flash.  Please note, I am a reluctant windows user.  However, if you 
are using v3.0 of Windows, you will do yourself an immense favor by up-
grading to v3.1-----it really is that much better.  Pagemaker 4.0 works
fine with Windows v3.1 as far as I have been able to determine.

Bob Reinstatler   reinstat@u.washington.edu

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:24:41 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Getting Mac-To-DOS

Jim asks...

> I would like to obtain a copy of Peripheral Land Inc.'s
> Mac-To-DOS and the shareware utility Mac-ette. Does anyone have
> the address for Peripheral and an Internet anonymous ftp site for
> mac-ette? Thanks in advance.

You should be able to find this software from your favorite local or mail-
order dealer, I found it in a quick check of the PC Zone, (800) 258-2088, for
$68.  You can probably do better with some of the more cut-throat dealers.



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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:06:18 JST
Reply-To:     "M.C. WRIGHT" <WRIGHT@JPNCUN10.BITNET>
From:         "M.C. WRIGHT" <WRIGHT@JPNCUN10.BITNET>
Subject:      W4Windows Filters

I desperately need the import filters for PM4.0 for W4Windows 2.0.  Would
some kind soul please send me a copy of theirs.  I know they can be
FTPed but can't do it from my system.  I've also looked for them
on Simtel but can't find them there.

And I have to get this job out this weekend.....

Many thanks, and don't worry about duplicating some other's kindness.
I'll take as many copies as I can get!

                                      Mark Wright
                                      in far away Nagoya
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Reply-To:     "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <needje@MSEN.COM>
From:         "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <needje@MSEN.COM>
Subject:      Mac ==> PC Conversion

 >I am trying to open a PM4 file generated on a Mac, transferred to
>a PC via Xmodem (over a null modem), using PM4 on the PC.  The manual
>suggests that this is not straight forward without some special transfer
>setup like MacLink or a network, while a Compuserve sysop suggests there
>nothing to it -- one just opens the file using PC PM4.
>
>I can't get the file to open.  I'd appreciate any insight as to what
>I might do now.

My guess is that your Mac communications software is set up to always send
a file in MacBinary form. In that format, the resource and data forks of
the Mac file are pushed together and a header is added at the front to tell
where the resource fork ends and the data fork begins. Most Mac comm
software uses that method so that the Mac software on the other end (also
set for MacBinary) can separate the two parts and make a proper Mac file
out of the received data.

But your IBM comm software knows nothing about MacBinary format and simply
puts all the received information into one file. That file starts with the
MacBinary header, and that header confuses your PC PM4.

So just do the transfer again, making sure MacBinary is off and that you're
doing a strict binary-to-binary transfer.  Should work.

Jeff Needleman  <needje@msen.com>
From: malloth@lsesun3.epfl.ch (Christoph MALLOTH)
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Subject: PageMaker on PC: Problems with TableEditor
Keywords: PageMaker, TableEditor, TrueType, AdobeType
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:40:26 GMT
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Organization: Laboratoire de Systemes d'Exploitation - E P F Lausanne - CH

Hi,

I am using PageMaker on my PC and I use also the TableEditor which comes with 
PageMaker. If install the driver for a HP Laserjet I don't see anymore
the TrueType fonts in the TableEditor. The AdobeType fonts stay visible ...

Have you made the same experience ?
Any suggestions ?

Thanks in advance

Christoph

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Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
Computer Systems Laboratory
CH-1015 Lausanne (Switzerland)

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