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From: MinQi Bao <bmq@PHYSICS1.UNL.EDU>
Subject:      SOS China Education Fund Call For Volunteers' Participation
Reply-To: MinQi Bao <bmq@PHYSICS1.UNL.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:54:57 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

    SOS China Education Fund Call For  Volunteers'  Participation

Dear Friends:

SOS  China  Education Fund,  registered in  California, US in October, 1992,
is an independent, nonpolitical  and  nonprofit  organization.  The  current
members  of  the Fund are a volunteer group of Chinese and American students
and scholars who share the same goal.  The FUND is not affiliated  with  any
organizations inside or outside China.

Education is  the basis of one  country's  economic  and  cultural  develop-
ment.   It  is  still a reality that in China alone there are 229 million of
illiterates among the 890 million in the world (UNESCO, 1989). According  to
the  official  figure   (1989)  by Chinese government, the average education
level of Chinese people was less than five  years.  Every  year,  there  are
still  over one million schooling children dropping out school due to family
poverty. It is more astonishing and heartbreaking that in a large portion of
poor areas in China, the problem of  lacking  of  teachers  is becoming more
serious.  More and more good teachers flow out those areas for better  life.
The  quality  of education  in  those areas is worsening  daily.

The goal of SOS China Education Fund is to help promote  China's  education,
especially  the  elementary education. In order to reach this goal, the Fund
will first try to raise donation from any available  source  outside  China.
The  donation  will be used to assist the children, who have already dropped
out of school or at such a brink, to finish their school years, to help  im-
prove the teachers' simple life in those areas and to build and renovate the
schools in the areas.

The Fund,  still young,  is eager to look for your help in  any  ways.   The
Fund  calls  for any  interested friends to work together for the same goal.
For  detailed  information  of membership of   the   Fund,   please  contact
Shusheng Luan at sos@thetis.oce.orst.edu. The Fund accepts your contribution
of any sum,  which are subject to  tax-deductible.  Please contact the above
address for more information.  You are also welcome to provide the Fund with
any information that  you know about  the schools and  schooling children in
the poor areas in China.

MinQi Bao posts for SOS  China  Education Fund
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: mikey@Cadence.COM (Michael G. Yang)
Subject: Looking for Rong Wang
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: Australia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:15:27 GMT

Hello guys in Australia,

I am looking my friend Rong Wang from Fujian, China. 
He was studying at Dept. of Computer Science, University of New Wilse (?)
If you know him , please pass the message to him.

my email: mikey@cadence.com 
tel: 1-808-578-6234

Guanghua Yang


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: UN resolution of No Fly Zone and China
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:26:56 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.148.16.122

In article <C0p90r.Myw@apollo.hp.com>, zl@apollo.hp.com writes:
|> Sorry if this question has been asked and answered.
|> 
|> The mass media here keeps mentioning the so called
|> No Fly Zone enforced in Southern Iraq is an UN resolution.
|> But from what I read in a local chinese newspaper, there
|> is not such an UN resolution. It is only an agreement 
|> among US, Briton, and Frence.
|> 
|> Due to the unreliability of both the chinese newspapers
|> and US news media, here is my question, is there really
|> such an UN resolution? If yes, what did China (and Rusia)
|> vote? 
|> 
|> Thanks.


I thought this no-fly-zone was set as one of the condition to truce after the
so-called  desert-storm. enligten me if I am wrong.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cs922259@a09.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: Re: Who Believes in One-Country Two-Systems?
Organization: /cs/students/part9/cs922259/.organization
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:22:43 GMT

### On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:07:43 GMT, "Micky Wong" <micky_wong@vnet.ibm.com> said:

Micky% [...]
Micky% 
Micky%    I have been accused of damaging the relationship between Britain --
Micky% Hong Kong -- and China.  But it is an accusation which does not gain
Micky% in truth or substance simply because it is repeated every day in some
Micky% sections of our press. The facts are very simple. My proposals are in
Micky% line with both the Joint Declaration and the Basic Law. They would
Micky% result in arrangements for the 1995 elections which are fair and open.
Micky% And they do seem to command widespread support from the people of
Micky% Hong Kong.

	The problem is not whether the proposal is in line with blah
	blah.  The Briton think they still have almost full control
	over the colony issue until 1997.  But Chinese believe
	everything which passes 1997 should get agree from China.  For
	those not too related to pass 1997, Briton should at least
	tell Chinese.

	The proposal is a major issue and Briton did not tell Chinese.
	Chinese feel angry and hurt as if they were betrayed.  Well,
	they responded with power and intimation.  HK got terrified.^^^

Micky%   I think it(is) clear beyond a reasonable doubt that given a choice the
Micky% people of Hong Kong do want a greater say in deciding their own future.
Micky% But it is also clear that a lack of trust in the good sense and sound
Micky% judgement of the people of Hong Kong has led some of my critics to
Micky% overreact to the modest proposals that have been put forward.

	Governor Patten is not satisfied by the reaction of HK people.

Micky%    Chinese officials have demanded that I withdraw my proposals for the
Micky% 1995 elections. They are modest proposals, but if others disagree with
Micky% them I hope they will suggest alternatives. My criteria are that the
Micky% arrangements for 1995 should be fair, open and accep'able to the people
Micky% of Hong Kong. It is a matter of both fact and principle that LegCo will
Micky% decide what the arrangements should be:

	Brits are willing to back from their previous supporting to
	the proposal?  I wonder if Chinese will do something like
	"tong4 da3 luo4 shui3 gou3" (hit the dog falling in the
	water).  That may result "gou3 ji2 tiao4 qiang2". :-)

--
Ming He                                   sosc1069@reader.yorku.ca
From Beijing, China.  Like to watch to the transference of data.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.china
From: zl@apollo.hp.com 
Subject: Re: UN resolution of No Fly Zone and China
Originator: zl@pace
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:48:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, MA

In article <C0p90r.Myw@apollo.hp.com> I wrote:
>Sorry if this question has been asked and answered.
>
>The mass media here keeps mentioning the so called
>No Fly Zone enforced in Southern Iraq is an UN resolution.
>But from what I read in a local chinese newspaper, there
>is not such an UN resolution. It is only an agreement 
>among US, Briton, and Frence.
>
>Due to the unreliability of both the chinese newspapers
>and US news media, here is my question, is there really
>such an UN resolution? If yes, what did China (and Rusia)
>vote? 
>
>Thanks.

I got an answer from ******@ecn.purdue.edu, hope this helps:
>From what I heard on CNN, there is NO specific resolution passed by UN
>on the issue of "no fly zone". There is a resolution on "protecting the
>kurds and shiai muslims in southern Iraq". So the U.S. and France and England
>now argue that that resolution justifies the so called "no fly zone" since
>Iraqi war planes are used to attack the kurds population.
>So far, UN seem to be behind the U.S. interpretation, but there is no specific
>mention of no fly zone in any UN resolution.

Some minor questions from me: are Kurds in northern Iraq close to Turkey and
Shiai muslims in southern Iraq close to Iran? Is there any similar enforcement
in northern Iraq to "protect ... from ..."?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: USERLXNW@UALTAMTS.BITNET
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: USERLXNW@UALTAMTS.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:51:30 GMT

Having not been on the Net for a long time, like to test the availability.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "T. Bao" <I990002@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Fantasy
Reply-To: "T. Bao" <I990002@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:08:20 GMT

At this silent moment
Peace comes to my heart
The world is so nice
I have no complaint
Because I have got
what I expected

Be quiet
Because I am too tired
The world is so harmonious
Please don't disturb it
Living in the peace
That's what I expected

T.B.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Z0L4127@TAMVENUS.BITNET
Subject:      signoff
Reply-To: Z0L4127@TAMVENUS.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:32:00 GMT

signoff ZACK LEE
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Ignatius Ding <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Report on Christmas Card Campaign
Reply-To: Ignatius Ding <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:37:02 GMT

Dear friends,


This is a follow-up report of the SVDC Christmas card campaign.  We like also
to take the opportunity to thank everyone who participated the program.
Special thanks to Edwin Fung, Wing Ng, and Xiao Qiang for their extra efforts to
make the project successful.  Edwin and Wing took the task of inputting names
and addresses and making them available to netters.  Xiao Qiang initiated the
project and provided us the information so that we could coordinate this all
out campaign.

In San Francisco bay area alone, we sent out thousands of cards and letters.
We are very pleased to report that many of us have received replies back from
dissidents and/or their families in China.  We have also located several
individuals whom we had problems to communicate with because they were
forced to move out their residences by their work units.  The most notable
case was the family of jailed dissident Ren Wanding.  His wife wrote back to
one of the SVDC Board members that she lost her job and residence and became
homeless last year.  Her daugther has been memtally ill soon after her husband
was arrested by the PSB.  They now live in a small room rented from a farmer
in the outskirt of Beijing.  The living conditions are very poor but they have
no other choices at all since she is also pennyless.  She was very gracious in
accepting a personal financial assistance from our friend.  We will monitor her
situation and call for continuous support.  If anyone wishes to help, please
contact us.  We will assist to deliver the contributions to her on an on-going
basis.  We learned from her letter that Mr. Ren's health is rapidly worsen.  We
will look into this matter to call on the U.S. and the international community
to pay special attention to his case.

Please continue to write to all the dissidents.  We were told by them personally
how important it is for them to maintain communications with us.  By the end of
this month, we will collect sufficient information on the letter campaigns, its
effect, and the responses and results.  We will work with a journalist to
develop a major article ready to publish around the time at which President-
Elect Clinton takes oath for his office and the Chinese New Year.  Stay tuned.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Zhimin Chen <zhimin@UNSSUN.SCS.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Post Office Abuses in Wenzhou
Reply-To: Zhimin Chen <zhimin@UNSSUN.SCS.UNR.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:58:53 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.bitnet

Dear netters:

My family in Wenzhou wrote me that the Post Office in that city charge them 41
 for every letter they receive except letters with institutional envelop and
 postage seal instead of a stamp.

 I feel indignant about such abuses.  In the very beginning when since the
 postal stamp was invented in Britain it meant that the receiver has not to pay
 for the postage.  To me, the practice of the post office in Wenzhou is no less
 than a smear and an insult to the civilization of human beings.

In addition, the current postal rate is "20 for nationwide destination and "10
 for within-the-city delivery.  I just canUt make out where does 41 come from.

Have you had similar experiences? Does your family has to pay to receive a
 letter?  Please speak out and letUs have some reactions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Who Believes in One-Country Two-Systems?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 05:04:50 GMT


The Chinese government over-react on Patten's proposal.  It is not a bad
idea to let Hong Kong carry the political reform first and then the
Chinese goverment can get some first-hand knowledge about the Western
democratic political system for improving the system in Mainland.   



J Su

In article <C0ELMJ.KA6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "Micky Wong" <micky_wong@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>Inside the January 1993 edition of the Ming Pao Monthly, are some
>interesting articles about the current relationship between China
>and HongKong, and the discussions about HongKong's political system.
>
>The contributors of articles include Governor of Hong Kong Chris Patten
>,the #2 boss of Hong Kong's XinHua News Agency and many other leaders
>or spokespersons for different segments of HongKong society.
>
>Chris Patten's article is the only one with it's original English
>version published.
>This made it very easy for me to copy Patten's article here to provide
>interested netters,to take a look at the views from the person who
>is at the center of the recent PRC-HongKong dispute.
>
>I hope there will be other netters who will be able to translate
>the article written by XinHua's #2 man into English and provide us
>the views of the otherside of the argument.
>
>.........
From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:36:03 GMT
Subject: Report on the SVDC Christmas Card Campaign
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china

This is a follow-up report of the SVDC Christmas card campaign.  We like also 
to take the opportunity to thank everyone who participated the program.  
Special thanks to Edwin Fung, Wing Ng, and Xiao Qiang for their extra efforts to
make the project successful.  Edwin and Wing took the task of inputting names
and addresses and making them available to netters.  Xiao Qiang initiated the
project and provided us the information so that we could coordinate this all
out campaign.

In San Francisco bay area alone, we sent out thousands of cards and letters.
We are very pleased to report that many of us have received replies back from
dissidents and/or their families in China.  We have also located several 
individuals whom we had problems to communicate with because they were
forced to move out their residences by their work units.  The most notable
case was the family of jailed dissident Ren Wanding.  His wife wrote back to 
one of the SVDC Board members that she lost her job and residence and became
homeless last year.  Her daugther has been memtally ill soon after her husband
was arrested by the PSB.  They now live in a small room rented from a farmer
in the outskirt of Beijing.  The living conditions are very poor but they have 
no other choices at all since she is also pennyless.  She was very gracious in 
accepting a personal financial assistance from our friend.  We will monitor her
situation and call for continuous support.  If anyone wishes to help, please
contact us.  We will assist to deliver the contributions to her on an on-going
basis.  We learned from her letter that Mr. Ren's health is rapidly worsen.  We
will look into this matter to call on the U.S. and the international community 
to pay special attention to his case.

Please continue to write to all the dissidents.  We were told by them personally
how important it is for them to maintain communications with us.  By the end of
this month, we will collect sufficient information on the letter campaigns, its
effect, and the responses and results.  We will work with a journalist to
develop a major article ready to publish around the time at which President-
Elect Clinton takes oath for his office and the Chinese New Year.  Stay tuned.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:10:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.170145.3413@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <C05DMx.4wM@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>> >In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang  
>Yuanxin)  
>> >writes:
>> >> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
>> >> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
>> >> >
>> >> >	WHEN?
>> >> 
>> >>    about 1949.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >About 1949, China turned from sleeping to nightmare until 1981.
>>                                            ********* Chinese haters'
>> nightmare.
>> >(Excuse me, you can't find this on People's Daily, which means what I said  
>> >might be a big lie.)
>> >
>> >Carl
>> 
>
>It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see millions  
>of people starved to death in early 1960s. 
>
>It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see  
>thousands of innocent people got killed simply because they were landlords. 
>
>It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see millions  
>of people's lives turned into misery during CR.
>
>etc. etc. etc. ...

   So you want us to believe you are a "Chinese lover"? 
   You are one if the above defn is accepted.
>
>I guess you are a Chinese lover. Or maybe not, you just post these stuff  
>because you once said you are old and going back. In this case, everything you  
>did is understandable.
>
>Carl
   
    You post these stuff because you will never go back, China is no
longer your homeland, in this case, everything you did is
understandable.



Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: c115117@cs.UAlberta.CA (Xu Bing)
Subject: Help
Organization: University of Alberta
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:09:43 GMT

A girl from Shanghai will come to the Queen's University in Kingston this month.  It will be appreciated that if someone can offer any help.  You can reach me by sending e-mail.  Thanx a lot in advance.
From: giles@news.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Giles Nelson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:02:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Originator: giles@upwind


> They try to make Tibet an international issue to embitter Chinese.
> U.S. should end it's occupation of Japan and Germany, etc.

I presume you mean for example the prescence of American forces in Germany.
Such a prescence is because the two countries are allies.

To make such a comparison with Tibet is ridiculous.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:19:36 GMT

In article <C0CwLs.F1I@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.170145.3413@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_nwu.edu  writes:
> >In article <C05DMx.4wM@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
> >writes:
> >> In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu   
writes:
> >> >In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang  
> >Yuanxin)  
> >> >writes:
> >> >> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
> >> >> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >	WHEN?
> >> >> 
> >> >>    about 1949.
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >About 1949, China turned from sleeping to nightmare until 1981.
> >>                                            ********* Chinese haters'
> >> nightmare.
> >> >(Excuse me, you can't find this on People's Daily, which means what I  
said  
> >> >might be a big lie.)
> >> >
> >> >Carl
> >> 
> >
> >It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see  
millions  
> >of people starved to death in early 1960s. 
> >
> >It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see  
> >thousands of innocent people got killed simply because they were landlords. 
> >
> >It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see  
millions  
> >of people's lives turned into misery during CR.
> >
> >etc. etc. etc. ...
> 
>    So you want us to believe you are a "Chinese lover"? 
>    You are one if the above defn is accepted.

Could you please show me your steps of inference which lead to the "great"  
conclusion that I am a "Chinese lover"? You don't have to if your steps can't  
even convince youself.

I think according to Mr. Shi Chunde's ( or maybe yours too) defenition and  
intension, I should be classified as a "Chinese hater". Don't try to "upgrade"  
me. 

> >
> >I guess you are a Chinese lover. Or maybe not, you just post these stuff  
> >because you once said you are old and going back. In this case, everything  
you  
> >did is understandable.
> >
> >Carl
>    
>     You post these stuff because you will never go back, China is no
> longer your homeland, in this case, everything you did is
> understandable.
> 
> 

How do you know I will never go back? Please show me your reason. If your  
reason can perasuade me not to go back, then I will surely listen.

Take it easy, new "Red Guard".

Carl
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: zhao@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kang Zhao)
Subject: Re: Who Believes in One-Country Two-Systems?
Reply-To: zhao@schaefer.UUCP (Kang Zhao)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:58:14 GMT

>Who Believes in One-Country Two-Systems?
>
>      by   Christopher Patten
>
>   The relationship between any two sovereign states is not something
>which stands in isolation; something which stands apart from the day
>to day business of international affairs.  It is quite simply the sum
>total of all the contacts and issues which the two states have to manage.
>In the case of Britain and China, the relationship is, quite rightly,
>dominated by one single issue - Hong Kong.
>
>   The Joint Declaration is a major landmark in this relationship.
>More importantly, it is a solemn agreement between Britain and China to
>preserve Hong Kong's way of life for 50 years beyond 1997. The two
>central concepts are "one-country-two-system" and "Hong Kong people
>ruling Hong Kong".  They need to be turned into reality.  Hong Kong's
>system is different from China's and that is the way it must remain
>until at least 2047.
>
>   I want to make this vital point absolutely clear. I am committed, as
>is the British Government, to preserving Hong Kong's separate way of
>life beyond 1997 and this means preserving it's separate systems of
>government, and, of course, its freedoms.  There is no contradiction
>between this and preserving Hong Kong's prosperity and stability.
>The two are mutually reinforcing.
>
Could someone explain what is meant here "Hong Kong people ruling Hong
Kong"? Why not "HK people ruling  HK" now or before?    

-KZ

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "K.K. Luke, English Dept,              University of Hong Kong" <HRAELKK@HKUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      signoff
Reply-To: "K.K. Luke, English Dept,              University of Hong Kong" <HRAELKK@HKUCC.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:32:10 GMT

signoff LUKE KANG KWONG
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