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From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: mulitplexing & boston area fire eating
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:53 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@piggy.cogsci.indiana.edu"


To Robert B Harris: Many members of the MIT juggling club know fire eating
and could help you learn. The club meets approx. 3:30 - 6:30 PM, Sundays,
at MIT building 10 lobby  or  MIT bldg 13 lobby  or,  on very nice days,
outside near the MIT student center.


An historical note on multiplexing: At an IJA convention many years ago (late
1970's, I think - Roger Dollarhide was still in charge of the competitions
then) a juggler named Leith (spelling?) entered the numbers competition doing
what would now be called a split multiplex with seven balls. Three balls are
thrown simultaneously with each throw, one crossing to the other hand and
two returning to the same hand that threw them. At the time the IJA seven ball
record was about 2 seconds (If I could time travel back I'd be an IJA hero,
instead of just another numbers juggler. times change.). Leith did the seven 
ball multiplex for about two minutes, and it was so obviously easier than doing
7 balls really that multiplexing was disqualified from numbers competition. 
It may be that this introduction of multiplexing as "cheating" soured many
jugglers on it, though it is true that big name jugglers (Gatto, Ignatov) 
include a little of it in their acts, particularly shower pattern multiplexes.
By the way, Leith called his juggling pattern multiplexing, and I believe he
was the originator of the term as it applies to juggling.

Arthur Lewbel    Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: A.Wilson@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: British Juggling Convention
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:03:28 GMT

Edd writes:
 > I would like to hear from any jugglers out there who went to the British 
 > Juggling Convention in Coventry last weekend, and your opionions on the 
 > whole three days.

I was there!!! The camping was crap. I stayed in the van park near the
big circus bus with the campfire and I'm telling you I do not enjoy
sleeping on what ammounted to cobble stones covered in gravel.

Mind you, can't complain. Apart from that I had an execellent time. In
general it wasn't as good as the Verona convention, but then it was
only the British convention anyway. There could have been more
astoundingly good jugglers in the shows, it could have been cheaper,
the campsites could have been nearer the sports hall etc...

Did you go to the business meeting? What did they decide for next
year? Since Leeds is holding the European convention next year I heard
that they might not be having the British convention. Do you know
anything about that?

Did you learn any good tricks while you were there? I finally got
together Mills' Mess with clubs, did some fire breathing/fire juggling,
set my arm on fire etc. I stole numerous tasty little three ball
patterns off people including what I think they call `Windsheild
Wippers' in The States. I saw a lot of old friends etc. etc. I lost a
ball :-(, but I bought a nice pair of baggy trousers... Anyway I had a
good time and thats whats important.

See you in Spain for the EJC.
	Ab.
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From: johnson@hero.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: British juggling conventions
Reply-To: johnson@hero.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:10:40 GMT

In article <4579@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark
Whidby) writes:
> Can anyone tell me where the first 3 British juggling conventions were held?
> Where is the 6th likely to be held?
> -- 
> _____________________________________________________________
> Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre

1989 ( 1st ) was in Bradford - the curry capital of the universe
1990 ( 2nd ) was in Exeter 
1991 ( 3rd ) was in Leeds
1992 ( 4th ) was in Coventry

I started juggling when I went to college in 1990, so I could stand to
be corrected 
about the first one. I went to Exeter and Leeds, but could'nt manage
Coventry.

Richard
From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: JugglePro 2.0
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:39:29 GMT


Many of you have unix accounts and will find it much easier to download the  
tarred jugglepro which is also on piggy now.  I admit I am new to this so I'm  
not the person to ask about how to do this...maybe Terry can help.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 19:31:55 CDT
From: Ted (Theo) Stresen-Reuter <U42075@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling prejudice?

I have always received grief for doing multiplex from numbers jugglers.
But what they didn't seem to understand was that I never felt any
pressure to be able to do more either to impress myself or others.  Ny
goal was always to do it in such a way that the person watching was
hooked and felt some sort of satisfaction out of watching my
performance.  A good example of my argument can be seen in the video "3
ball juggling".  I'm not sure who it is by but it is a testimony to the
age old addage: Less is more.  I particularly liked Michael Menes.
Theo.
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From: trebor@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Robert Harris)
Subject: Fire Breathing
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:49:17 GMT

Are there experienced fire-breathers out there who have tips on
learning the skill (:without immolating oneself:)?  Any in the
Boston area?
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From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Re: Injuries.
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:45:18 GMT

  Some time ago my doc -- an M.D., I hasten to add, not a homeopath --
suggested I take Calcium/Magnesium/Potassium supplements to help out
with muscle injuries and pain. I did, and it seems to help. My son, a
professional musician, also takes the vitamins to ward off the dread
tendonitis.  They seem to work for him too.  If you (or anyone else)
have tried everything else with no results, the supplements might be
worth a try. 
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From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: not airflite- number clubs sorry!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:37:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.122229.1@vax.sonoma.edu> mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>okay, not "AIRFLITE" I am looking for numbers clubs, I have not 
>looked at DUBES' catalog in a long time, i was thinking that his 
>airflites were numbers clubs. I am looking for numbers clubs, 
>according to the catalog I have they are $25 a piece, though this may 
>have changed recently.. if anyone has info on this please post me..
>thnks

While I like Dube stuff a lot I am not particularly happy with his numbers
clubs.  They are a bit too heavy and the handles are rather hard.  I understand
that he has since redesigned them so they might be a little better now, but
be warned, the original clubs aren't all that good for numbers work.  Make
sure you get a look at the new clubs before you buy (I have *no* idea how you
can do this).

If you want an alternative, I really like Renegade Numbers Clubs (I call 
them toothpick clubs).  If you can find a used set of those they will work 
very well.

>not one, not two, but three four, five, six, and seven. 
>I will be in a rubber room when I am 40 doing this,,,, aaaaaaaaaaa
>
>madman
>
>mertes@sonoma.edu

C Frog
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From: mallen@harry.ugcs.caltech.edu (Gabriela Mallen-Ornelas)
Subject: Flying K's story at Caltech
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:57:06 GMT

The Flying Karamazov Brothers performed at Caltech on Friday. Part of their
show is "The Challenge", in which "The Champ" accepts objects from the audience
to juggle (with limits placed on size & weight & nasty spikiness, etc.).
Allen Knutson's idea for an annoying object was along the lines of a balloon
filled will Jell-O^{TM}, covered with vegetable oil.

The actual execution (by some friends and me: Allen cravenly missed the show)
was as a string of five condoms filled with red Jell-O, with the specified oil.
(WARNING: The instructions specifically mention the debilitating effects of 
vegetable oil on the strength of the condoms.) The chain bounced and oozed, and
was one of the audience's favorites, the other two being a cake with the names 
of the Flying K's in icing (complete to lit candles), and a crumpled Slinky 
with empty soda cans attached. (A pair of underwear was not chosen to be 
juggled, but was useful to the Flying K's for removing unwanted oil and Jell-O
from the Champ's hands.)

Upon presentation, the Flying K's made plain their disgust with the "Jell-O
filled `sausages'," and while not actually giving the brand name of the Jell-O 
containers being used, they made lots of references, such as warning the
audience that "Vaseline is not safe!" while the condoms were falling apart
and oozing Jell-O (through cleverly placed pinprick holes).

But fortune was smiling on the Champ that night, and ten+ catches were to be
had. As a souvenir, I obtained on a leftover condom the signatures of all four 
Flying K's. We asked if this was the most disgusting object they'd ever had to
juggle, and no, it wasn't. Damn.

-Gaby

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From: jboyce@cco.caltech.edu (Jack K. Boyce)
Subject: Re: Juggling prejudice?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:49:48 GMT

arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:

>  Am I just imagining it, or is there a prejudice amongst jugglers
>against multiplex juggling? 
>   "How many can you juggle?"
>   "I can do five with multiplexing."
>   "Oh yeah.. but how many can you *really* juggle?"

It's just flat-out easier to multiplex 5 than to do a 5-ball
cascade.  Therefore multiplexing is seen as "cheating" by many,
at least as far as numbers juggling goes.  However, many of the
best jugglers around (Gatto, for ex.) do multiplexing in their
acts, so it isn't totally unrespectable.

From my own experience multiplexing can be a lot of fun, especially
since it's easier.  I can learn a multiplexed 5 ball site swap
faster than a non-multiplexed one.  Also, for mathematical
reasons, there are just MORE multiplexed tricks than non-
multiplexed ones.  You can get a large variety of tricks without
putting in an incredible amount of work.

Jack
jboyce@tybalt.caltech.edu

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From: owain@eastern.COM (James Cummings)
Subject: Re: Jugglepro lockup
Organization: Eastern's Public Access BBS, Toronto CAN
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:26:20 GMT

duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher) writes:

> 	I'm having the same problem with jugglepro.  I have to re-boot
> after each failure as well.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I have
> the latest version now, but the first one did the same.
> 
> 	Duane Starcher
> 
> 	(Sorry if this appeared twice; it wasn't clear if the first went
> out.)

 
  I was having a problem with Jugglepro.. but found out what it was.
The .PAT files are Ascii. When I dloaded them, I did so as binary.  Hence
they are stored all on one line.  Go In an editor and delete whatever 
character it has been interpreted as and hit return to sort out all the
files.  It took a little bit of time. but they seem to be working fine
now.
  
Just htought I'd post this in case anyone's problems were the same.
 
owain@eastern.com

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From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mixing siteswap patterns.
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:40:04 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu's message of 6 Apr 92 16:47:52 EDT

In article <4771@umriscc.isc.umr.edu> ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens) writes:

				  Some time ago I attempted to develop a scheme  
   similar to yours for finding the startup and endup sequences.  I didn't  
   succeed, but Jack Boyce must have succeeded in this endeavor because his J2  
   generator includes startup and endup sequences for ANY pattern (this includes  
   more than 2 hands, simultaneous, and multiplexing!).

I constructed an algorithm to do this for startup sequences from a
verbal description Jack sent me; it is now incorporated into xjuggle;
sources at piggy.
--
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From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Re: Address list?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:36:56 GMT

1) Some prop makers: 
   Todd Smith products
   13401 Lake Shore BlvD.
   Cleveland OH 44110
   (216)761-4735

2) get the International Jugglers Association magazine *Juggler's
World.* They list lots of prop sellers
IJA
PO Box 3707
Akron, OH 44314-3707

3) Multiplexing is throwing two or more balls at once from the same
hand.  The balls can be stacked or split.  When stacked, the balls fly
one above the other, and are caught in quick succession one after the
other. When split, two balls are thrown at the same time, but one ball
travels to the other hand, while the second ball goes straight up and
down into the same hand.
From: zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Seattle: Anyone out there?
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:43:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University, Dept of Antiquated Physics

Warning: Edible Dormouse could ne in a place near you, soon!

I'm flying over to Seattle next week to visit some friends and I'll be there
about 9 days I hope (something like 14th April to 23rd but I haven't booked a
flight yet...). Any of the net.community in that vicinity care tommet up for a
beer with a juggling biker? If so, pease email me yr address / numebr and I'll
try to be in touch on arrival. I will be away from Friday fo rthe british
juggling convention so won't have time to read news.

cheers

ken
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: BJC Cov92 and future
Summary: Britain has no decent camping facilities
Keywords: Camping toilets
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:01:28 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

I went to Coventry just for the Saturday, so I didn't have to camp - thank
God!  I used the toilets once during the Saturday night show and found the
usual British approach - ie woefully inadequate.  The organisers MUST make
strenuous efforts to provide decent toilets, washing facilities and 
drinking water at future venues.  I live in Stockport, next to Manchester, 
and I've been wondering where the hell they're going to find anything even 
remotely resembling a decent campsite in the Rainy City in '94.  I can't 
think of anywhere suitable near enough to the city centre to be easily 
reachable for a parade, assuming we're allowed a parade in Manchester.  The 
council aren't likely to want us camping in their parks, but maybe one of 
the universities or the Polytechnic could make a green space available?
I took a lot of photos at Coventry, if any of them are any good I may try to 
scan them and post the BMPs, or GIFs if I can convert.

Albert Einstein: Imagination is more important than Knowledge

Anyway the convention fired me up to start practising again so it's 
worthwhile
From: A.Wilson@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling prejudice
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:47:01 GMT


 > The limiting factors for non-multiplex numbers include speed, precision,
 > endurance and strength.  What do you feel are the limiting factors for
 > high numbers multiplex?  Is it more than just big hands and small balls?
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you were born with big hands don't you usually have big balls as
well? :-) 

	Ab.
From: mccaugha@duncan.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) McCaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: one-arm juggler
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:10:54 GMT
Reply-To: mccaugha@duncan.cs.utk.edu (William Douglas ( Doug ) - The Juggler ( me ) McCaughan)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

In article <01GITCC828O095N5U8@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>, STU_DAKEEFE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU (Debonovitch) writes:
|> Does anybody know anything about a one-arm juggler?  A friend of mine
|> read an article in People magazine (I think) about him recently.
|> 
|> Debbie Keefe
|> JMU

I remember seeing one on the 20th Anniversy Special of Clown College. One
arm was deformed at birth so he learned all kinds of neat things like multiplexing
and bouncing of his body and such.
-- 
...doug <mccaugha@cs.utk.edu> USA    | The past 22 years have been a |
                                     | helluva trip, but honestly, I |
                                     | am ready to come down now...  |
From: acmrsp@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Russell Scott Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Eleven balls (was Re: 3 ball Guiness attempt, MIT video night)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:14:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia State University

bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg) writes:

>C. Frog writes:
>>>(BTW remember Joey Jordon's 11 ball record attempt on some game show??)

>Right.  But there's a guy named Bruce Serafian who's working on it!  I
>met Bruce at the '91 Atlanta Groundhog's fest, and then saw him again at
>St. Louis and then recently again at Atlanta.  He's from Florida.

>He can flash 11, and seems to do so about once per practice!  He has it
>on video tapes

[stuff deleted]

>(By the way, I hate to be presumptuous enough to speak so much for
>someone else, but I believe he doesn't have an account, and he's very
>modest about his juggling anyway.)

[more stuff deleted]

>-Ben


     Bruce is a good juggler.  I saw him and his partner Todd this weekend
at the April Fools Tallahasee festival in Florida.  I asked him to try a
10 ball flash, and he got that within a couple of minutes.  Then I convinced
him to try an 11 ball flash. I really wanted to see this.  He said it could
take anywhere from 2 minutes to 2 hours.  It took about fourty five minutes,
but he got it. (the lights in the gym weren't helpful.)  I watched every
attempt.  He is very strong and fast.  The flash wasn't the cleanest in the
world but heck its 11 balls.

     He says he has caught ten out of a twelve ball flash, and I did see
him flash six in one hand, his left I think. (But I think his dominant hand
is his right, although he writes with his left.)  He helped me to get my
first 5 ball flash in one hand. He says it helps to throw the last one
high ... It worked for me.  I believe that he said he now can get around
the 40's range in throws with 9 now.  From what I understand he practices
around 3 hours a day in front of a video camera, and watches every practice
session afterwards.

     I asked him if he has an account and he said no, but he was interested
in reading some of the info on the net (especially the net records) so I am
going to send him some articles in the mail.  Also he seemed to be very
doubtful about going to Montreal.  But he said he would probably be at
the 93' Groundhogs.  By then maybe 12 balls, who knows.

     Oh, and about Joey Jordan's 11 ball attempt on the game show -- It
didn't quite work, at least not on the video I have.  Of course he was only
given one shot at it.

Juggle always

Russ Peters
(Atlanta Jugglers Association)
From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: looking for IJA address?
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:19:13 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca's message of 11 Apr 92 08:28:53 EDT

In article <1992Apr11.122853.6121@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher) writes:
   In article <1992Apr10.172300.1@vax.sonoma.edu> mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
   >Hey can anyone post me the IJA address so I can drop them a line, and sucsribe.
   >I used to be, but that was a while ago. Oh everything in my life was 
   >a while ago... anyway, I would appreciate it very much.... thanks

	   IJA
	   PO Box 3707
	   Akron, OH  44314

... and tell them the juggling net sent you!
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From: A.Wilson@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: BJC at Coventry, a review
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:51:32 GMT


If you're with firenoise then I think I must have meet you. I was
camping with Dave (Buggy). I was the one with long hair and baggy
trousers- you know the one that looked like a juggler :-).

Did you do the act with UltraVsions? What was your part?
	Ab.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: The Mill's Mess question
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:30:18 GMT


Hi. It's me again.  I am having a small dispute about Mill's Mess with a friend
of mine.  I learned this trick from watching a friend for a minute or so.  He
performed it by making a slow chop with one of the balls and then throwing it 
back to the same hand, repeating on the other side simultaneously.  It looks
similar to chops in slow motion, or perhaps a one-two pattern with two balls
appearing to go up and down slowly and the other appearing on either side
alternatingly.  Is this even close to being right?  Or is my friend correct
in saying that your arms and hands never go up and down but remain "flat"?

By the way, thanks for the help with three in one hand.  It's starting to work.
I would have replied directly, but I am not familiar with the system yet.

Thanks again.....
Jon Krivitzky


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