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From: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Canon Elan - leave leader out?
Reply-To: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:44:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.213102.18522@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>In <1992Dec28.175058.1@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu> dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing) writes:
>
>>I've heard of some Nikon 8008s owners sending their cameras back to Nikon to
>>get them reprogrammed to have the film leader left out when the film is
>>rewound.
>
>>Is this possible with the Canon Elan?

For this particular camera might it be possible to simply trim off a few
sprocket holes off the leader on the "longer" side of the tongue to fool the
sensor into stopping the rewinding process while a bit of film still is poking
out of the casette?  I do not have one of these cameras to test out how much of
the edge would have to be trimmed off or even if the scheme would work.

andy

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From: llamas@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Winston Llamas)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Lea's Les Mis schedule
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: llamas@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC

This is probably an FAQ, so I apologize in advance if this question has been
asked too many times in the past.  I want to see Lea Salonga perform in Les
Mis this March.  When is she scheduled to perform?  Will she be on all 8
performances (on a week)?  Thanks for any info.

Winston

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# Winston M. Llamas       email: llamas@itd.nrl.navy.mil #
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Mystic Color Lab
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:07:01 GMT


In article <C04t47.AKH@deshaw.com>, siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel) writes:
|> In article <C04o4t.DLL@cs.uiuc.edu> hasker@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Hasker) writes:
|> >Has anyone tried out this lab?  They sent me a "special introductory offer"
|> >last week and I was wondering if I should bite.
|> 
|> I've used them for years.  Sent them maybe 60-80 rolls.  They do great work,
|> never lost anything.  If you underpay, they'll let you owe it to them
|> rather than hold up your prints.  They are fast and convenient, but pricier
|> than some.

Whereas I was very happy with them for a while until they
switched to 3rd class mailings - which they *knew* from
experience in NYC and New Jersey resulted in late and lost
mail.  Because of this - and with no notice on their part -
I lost six rolls of film.  All my photos from a sailing trip
in the Caribbean.  

What did I get?  A run-around (I had to fight them to refund
my money for the processing) and finally six rolls of really
shitty film to replace my Ektapress and Reala.

I wouldn't let them have my film if they offered to do it for
free.  

I also had problems with reprints - they scratched the negs and
the prints where nowhere near the quality of the first set.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 11:45:10 CET
From: <MPOISSON@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon Elan - leave leader out?

Purchasing a camera with undesirable features and sending it back to  the
manufacturer to get it 're-programmed' seems to be a fairly tortuous path
to follow to achieve the simple goal of getting a camera with the required
feature.

It's admittedly less grand and exciting (and expensive BTW)
than all your Nikon/Canon etc cameras, I have used a Pentax PZ-1 for over six
months. Among 18 user-definable functions, YOU can select
leaving the film leader out, along with the option to rewind
automatically at film end or not. The camera also makes quite good pictures
and is compatible with all bayonet mount Pentax lenses...


Michel Poisson
From: lakhindr@ESD.3Com.COM (Lakhinder Walia)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 30"x40" enlargements..
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:33:07 GMT
Distribution: rec
Bcc: lakhindr

>>Hi, this size of enlargement from a 8'x10' negative..? No 
>>from a 35mm negative !!!!

>Wouldn't that be a substantial reduction?

>Oh, sorry, wrong tic marks.

Sorry about the wrong symbols.. :-)

I never seen this camera of yours. Looks like more sophisticated than
one touch 100.
But what I dont really like is this message of Popular photography. 
It just tends to spread a wrong kind of message.
This is not to say that you "could'nt" get a very good print from OT 100.
But I have seen the regular results. And they are not good even at 4x.
In this particular case, Herbert keppler used no tripod, and a Kodacolar 100.

Boy I am already down to ASA 25/50 in order to get reasonable 8"x12" results.
But here I have a valueable advice from the magazine..
-Lakhinder Walia

>>And that too from a camera most people wont talk about on this net..: 
>>The Venerable Nikon one touch 100..!!
>>And that too : an enlargemnt  you would be able to show with pride..!!!
>>
>>All this in a great magazine Popular photography, page 61, Jan 93 issue.
>>
>>Ironically there is also a discussion of a nice Tripod, which goes IMHO, 
>>in opposite direction of shooting with P&S gadget..!
>>Ironically we are seeing people discussing mirror-lockup etc here on the
>>net  :-)

>Many many moons ago, I took quite a few nice timed exposures with
>my girlfriend's Minolta HiMatic F.  Completely electronic metered
>and programmed exposure, up to 30 secs at f/2.7, 38mm

>You betcha I used a tripod...


>-- 
>David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
>uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
>kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
>kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: A very simple question by a beginner
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:16:28 GMT

In article <58129@dime.cs.umass.edu>, shekhar@sinai.pilgrim.umass.edu (Ajay 
Shekhar) writes:

> 	The 3xi and 5xi, have this feature (I don't know the technical name
> for it) that, the camera will automatically focus when you aim the camera at
> a subject. The 5000i/7000i, focus only when the shutter is half pressed. 

The "xi" series have what Minolta calls "eye start automation".  When you 
pick up the camera by its grip, the camera turns on.  When sensors in the
eyepiece detect an object (usually an eyeball looking through the eyepiece)
the autofocus/autozoom system is turned on.  The only difference between this
method and that used by other makers is you only have to look through the
lens -- you don't have to 1/2 depress the shutter release.

> 	Basically, the camera is not needed for anything special. It is for
> normal family/picnic/may be a bit of zoom photography etc. My friend does
> want a built in flash, and a 35 to 70/80 or 105 mm zoom.
> 	Can anyone give me any advice on the subject ?

... regarding everyone talking about Canon and Nikon -- this is brand 
preference and brand loyalty.  If the Minolta line is to your liking, buy 
it.

> 	It would be great if you could post it to my e-mail account.

"Post it" and "Email" are mutually exclusive.

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)
From: koolish@bbn.com (Richard M. Koolish)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: NIKONOS-5: advice request
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:11:14 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) writes:

>No, none of the Nikonos cameras are rangefinders. You have to
>guesstimate the focus. (Except on the Nikonos RS, but that is a
>different beast altogether; an AF SLR).


I have a Nikonos V, and a Minox-ML and have never had any problem getting
sharp focussed pictures from either one.  It isn't hard to guess focus and
the 35mm lenses have good depth of field.
From: auyeung@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Tak [UlTech] AuYeung)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Olympus Stylus Recommendations
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:17:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis


I'd recommend it, too!

Although the Stylus is assembled in Hong Kong (at least for
mine), and it is all-plastic, the pictures are quite sharp.  Developed
to 4x6, the pictured taken by the Stylus showed no difference from the
ones taken by my EOS630 using an EF35-70 lens at 35mm.  The fill-in
flash of the Stylus is also very accurate.

I have a more fancy Ricoh Shotmaster zoom (P&S zoom, assembled in
Taiwan), but the sharpness is really so-so even developed to 4x6.

The only complaint about the Stylus is that its dust cover may leave a
small opening so dust can go through.  But with a good camera bag (I
use the small Tamrac bag), this sure be no problem...

--Tak
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Leitz Winder For Sale
Reply-To: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:29:52 GMT

        For Sale:

        Leitz R 4 motor-winder for the Leica R 4 camera.

        Mint condition and has instruction 
        books and guarantee cards included.

        $ 50

        andy     andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu


        Also a Leitz case for an M-series camera - in good shape  $ 10

        ... also a Maxxum Program Back 90 - mint condition        $ 75
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Query: Books on Photo composition
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:54:54 GMT

In article <1h7nf1INNhh1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai918@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Shafer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, arif@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Arif Merchant) says:
>
>>I would appreciate suggestions for *basic* books on photographic composition.
>>More advanced books are also of interest, but I'm just starting out.

>I am interested in the same subject. I found _Image_ by Michael Freeman
>at the library.

Highly recommended, though it's not quite a "beginners" book.  On the
other hand, beginners books are so often silly that _Image_ might be a
good start, after all.

Also see, _Light_ by the same author.  Very instructive.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: blue@sequent.com (Gil Delavous)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon EF28-70/f3.5-? II vs. EF28-105/f3.5-? USM
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:18:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec21.081858.3216
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec20.230735.16650@walter.bellcore.com> hsong@ardour.bellcore.com (G. Hugh Song) writes:
>It is pretty well-known that EF28-70mm/f3.5-4.5 II is an excellent 
>piece of glass.   I have also been told all the good things about the new
>EF28-105mm/f3.5-? USM.   Several questions for you:
>
>1. Is the front element of EF28-70mm/f3.5-4.5 II nonrotating?
>2. Just from a glance, it looks like that it can 
>   accommodate a filter with no problem.  Is there any problem with filters?
>3. Is it worth $260.00?
>
>I know that it had been around $175.00, and that it was discontinued.  
>I found a store which has one.  But their price is just too high.  
>And the store is not a reputable one, either.   Additional $120 will let
>me buy the new EF28-105mm/f3.5-? USM.  However, there has been no
>lens test for this yet by lens testers in the net or in the magazine 
>publishing houses.
>So the final question is:
>
>4. Which is the better buy between the two?
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>	Hugh

I own the 28-105 and the pictures I got are nice. The only problem I've seen
so far (and that Chasseur d'Images confirmed) is vignetting at 28mm (around
0.7EV). 

Gil.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:33:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.192848.1682@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ditch@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (ditch,r l) writes:
>At the great risk of giving Alvin C. Shih an excuse to post another
>100+ articles, I find that I can no longer sit back quietly while he
>continues to make statements that don't agree with my own experiences.
>[fantastic summry deleted..]

   Only want to add a couple of things and hopefully, this Nikon vs
Canon thing will end.

   Any Canon users that claim they prefer non-compatible lens mount is
lying.  I would be a much happier person if I can use my FD lens on an
EOS or vice-versa.

   Any Nikon users who claim Nikon can AF better then the EOS are lying.

   With that said and done, let's go out and take some pictures.
Talking about creature features or reading in new program modes with
a bar code reader is not going to make anyone a better photographer.
If you can't do that, then go back to work.

-Anthony

Xref: sparky rec.photo:22739 rec.scuba:6785
From: robinson@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Maxxum 5xi LCD display
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:27:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: odie.robinson.92
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).

>   I have noticed one thing that seems odd: whenever the camera has a battery
>in it, and film, the LCD display shows the number of exposures left for that
>film roll.  (The camera is off.)

>   My question is: is this normal?  Is there a way to turn it off?  Is it
>draining the battery?

Yes it is normal.  If you find a way of turning it off please let me know.

Cheers,
Michael
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Which lenses report focusing distance electronically?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:35:45 GMT

Are Nikon's D-series lenses the only AF lenses that report focus distance
to the camera body?  Do any Canon, Minolta, or third-party lenses do this?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bob@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Bob Easton)
Subject: Re: N90 + Tamron 90/2.5 = kaput!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:39:48 GMT
Organization: the HP UK Response Centre
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Luis Abdon Cifuentes (lc0v+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Monday I was in a store that had a 'Nikon special' with a Nikon
: representative and all the stuff.  After I while, I asked to try the
: Tamron AF 90/2.5 macro lens in the N90. They guy reluctantly put it on
: the N90, and guess what, the N90 died!. No lcd display,  nothing.
: 
: The same lens in a N8008s worked fine.  Another Tamron lens, the
: 35-105/2.8 worked fine in both cameras.

I seem to remember reading recently in Amateur Photographer here in the
UK that there is a problem with some early AF90's, and the Tamron
importers can replace the faulty lens with one that works.

Bob
From: bu890@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Segal)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Hasselblad Film Flatness
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:35:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Agreed, the 100 3.5 is a lens with a great reputation..but the
870 is a great lens all the same, and at f5.6 on is as good
as any..In my case I needed the 120 makro-Planar for my
professional work, so the 100 would have been a bit close...and
the 120 is SUPURB!!! - one of the best they ever made.

brian
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: briang@atlastele.com (Brian Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Panaromic photo CD images?
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:53:43 GMT

In article <92361.201915I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET (CUNY/Spartacus) writes:
>     normal 35mm shot                          panoramic shot
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []
>eg:| +---------------+   +----------------+   ................. <- masked
>w  2 |               |   |----------------|   +---------------+    by camera
>i  4 |               |   |                |   |               |
>d  m |  image        |-> |                |-> |  image        |
>e  m |               |   |----------------|   +---------------+
>   | +---------------+   +----------------+   ................. <- masked
> []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  []  [] by camera
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     |------35mm-----|   |------35mm------|    |-------35mm----|
>            wide                wide                   wide

   Wow, fancy graphics.

   Please note that the image is 36mm wide, not 35mm.  

   Since the film is standard 35mm film, and the image is actually smaller
   than a standard 35mm image (probably why it seemed really grainy after
   being enlarged) I should think you would be able to get more of these 
   shots on a photo-CD than of regular 35mm images.

-- 
--Brian M. Godfrey
  atlastele.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: lswab@x400gate.bnr.ca (Lyndon Swab)
Subject: 2CR5 vs. 2CR5m
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
Distribution: rec
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:51:52 GMT

While we're debating the virtues of AA batteries vs the hideously
expensive 2CR5's, does anyone know the difference between a 2CR5 and a
2CR5m?  My last two batteries were 2CR5m's.

Thanks,
--
Lyndon Swab     lswab@bnr.ca, (613) 763-7165, ESN 393-7165
From: lakhindr@ESD.3Com.COM (Lakhinder Walia)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 8008s/801s Questions
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:23:08 GMT

phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

>The 8008 doesn't have any nonvolatile memory.  If you left the
>batteries out long enough for any internal capacitors to discharge
>then put them back, that should have totally reset the camera.
>If it still came up wedged, the batteries may have leaked some
>crap onto the camera electronics and you need a serious repair :-(

>When I do any important shooting, I take an FM2 along with my 8008.
>That way, if one of them breaks, I still have the FM2...

well my 8008s did not come with any batteries, when I bought it new.
I am sure it sat in the shop for a while, without any iota of current.
It works fine..! But what is this total-reset ..?
Thanks
-Lakhinder Walia

Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: Re: >4 Sale: Canon AE1-P bk w/35-105 macro *REPOST*
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:51:32 GMT

ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen) writes:


>Sorry for my mistyping.  The price should be $380.      

>Thanks.
It's been sold.
Thanks.

Eric
From: rusty@groan.Berkeley.EDU (Rusty Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: What is IMHO?
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:02:15
Organization: Computer Center, UC Berkeley
	<1992Dec30.151921.25798@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: groan.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com's message of Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:19:21 GMT

Has there ever been a contest to see who can come up with the silliest
translation for IMHO?  "It's mega hyper, oh-baby", "it might hurt
otherwise", etc.
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: New question for Photo Techies
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:47:12 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

A while back I proposed a system where the camera would record electronically
information about exposure, lighting conditions, etc., on a magnetic strip
embedded in the film, to be used by the automatic printer in creating the
final print.  This got mixed response, but I just thought of an even better
use for this or a similar technology:

Let the camera record the number of frames exposed on the film.  This way
you could easily unload a roll midway through, change film, then go back
to the original partially exposed roll and go automatically to the next
available unexposed frame.  The information could be recorded at the start
of the film on some kind of magnetic area.  The camera would update the
number on unloading -- of course you would want to be able to unload
with the tongue exposed.

The upshot would be nearly the equivalent of interchangeable film backs
for 35mm cameras.

Any takers?

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
From: fhd@panix.com (Frank Deutschmann)
Subject: Velvia processing
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:00:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


I'm certain that this has been discussed here before, but as I'm
rather new to this group and can't seem to find the answer, here goes:

Is there a (visible) difference when Velvia is processed CR-56
(whatever that is, new Fuji thing it must be) rather than E-6?  I have
had lots of Velvia processed E-6, and have always been way-happy, but
I am wondering if I am missing something by not processing Velvia by
way of CR-56.

If CR-56 is a better process for Velvia, how can I get it done?  Can I
do it at home, or must it go to a lab (and then which lab)?


Thanks in advance, and appologies if this is an
already-beaten-to-death subject!

-frank
-- 
EMail: fhd@panix.com        | Don't believe half of what you see 
Phone: 1 - 212 / 765 - 2050 | and none of what you hear       -- Lou Reed
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:20:35 GMT
	<PD.92Dec30212624@horus.sics.se> <1993Jan1.224631.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <1993Jan1.224631.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>In article <PD.92Dec30212624@horus.sics.se>, pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) writes:
   ...
>> It is based on a test by the magazine "Aktuell Fotografi". The Tamron
>> 90/2.5 macro and the Zeiss PLanar T* 85/1.4 got the highest ratings in
>> a test of 34 short telephoto lenses from 85mm to 135mm. All the major
>> brands were represented.
>> 

>Per, what distance did they test the lenses at? If it was infinity, the results
>at macro distances are useless.

Yes, I realize that (and several of you guys have pointed it out to
me), even if I think that "useless" is a little too strong word for
it.

I'm sorry if anyone has bought the lens based on my postings alone...
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
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