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From: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler, MN, x5036, (612) 894-6562)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Cockatiel Mating problems
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:01:32 GMT
Reply-To: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Inc.

I have had a normal grey mail and a pearly female for some time, and bread them
easily.  Both were hand fed but both were abused before I got them.  (It took
some time to gain there confidence.)

After several successful clutches of mostly all greys, I decided to try
putting the female with a more colorfull male.  We got an all yellow and
white male (I had never seen this before, and I am not sure what you would
call him.  He does not seem to be lutino.)

After some time (the new male was not mature) they have bread.  My problem
is that the female starts sitting on the eggs before laying a full clutch.
She then abusses the later borns.  (We have let the parents feed the babies
in the past and just hand fed in the later stages.)  Usually only one-three
survive, and woe on woe, these have ALL been normal grey!

How can I get the female to be more like she used to be.  She has always been
abusive to the young when she has decided she wanted them out so she can
start a new clutch.  This has forced us to seperate her from the others in the
past.  NOTE: separation of the female is the only way to make here stop laying!
Taking the nest box out does not work.

Why are the new babies all grey?  I had more variety with the grey male.

What is your opinion as to the best time to separate babies from the parents
for hand feeding.  We used to be able to hand feed and allow parrents to 
feed as well.  The parrents continued their job just fine and we were saved
from the burden of being the only source of food.  Has anyone else tried 
this (we haven't tried it lately).

Is there any way to curb abusive behavior from the female?

Any help would be welcome.
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From: Sue.Kobel@bird.com (Sue Kobel)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: ALL
Date: 14 Apr 92  19:00:40 EST


 > Subject: Cockatiel Mating problems

On April 13, Scott Butler wrote:

 > After several successful clutches of mostly all greys, I decided to  try
 > putting the female with a more colorfull male.  We got an all yellow and
 > white male (I had never seen this before, and I am not sure what you 
 > would call him.  He does not seem to be lutino.)
    The Lutino color mutation ranges from a nearly all white bird (with the
orange cheek patch, to a white with lots of yellow in it.  Two other mutations
that when combined with Lutino will give the bird a very yellow appearance are
the pearl and the pied.  If you had a lutino-pearl cockatiel, the yellow would
appear as a lacing in the feathers, just like on your pearly hen.  Once your
male matured, however, it would lose that pearling color, although the gene to
produce it would still be there.  Assuming that your male still shows this
color, I would speculate that your bird is either a pure lutino, or is a double
mutation lutino-pied.  The lutino will mask the grey that normally shows on a
pied bird, but the pied does give it more of a yellow look.
 
 > My problem is that the female starts sitting on the eggs before laying a  
 > full clutch.
     This is normal.  Cockatiels usually begin to brood the eggs after the
first or second egg is laid.

 > She then abusses the later borns.  (We have let the parents feed the 
 > babies in the past and just hand fed in the later stages.)  Usually only 
 > one-three survive, and woe on woe, these have ALL been normal grey!

     This is a toughie.  How long after hatching does she begin to abuse the
younger chicks?  If it is right as they hatch, about the only thing you can do
is to foster these eggs to another pair that has eggs of their own, or try to
catch them as they hatch and begin feeding from day one, an extremely difficult
undertaking.


 > Why are the new babies all grey?  I had more variety with the grey 
 > male.
    Just luck.  With a Lutino male and a pearl hen, your female chicks will be
lutino, and your male chicks will be grey.  Other mutations that may be carried
by the parents will alter this, but this would be a basic expectation.  If your
male is also pied, as I speculated earlier, the babies would also be split to
pied.  In order to actually see pied on your babies, Your pearl hen would have
to be split to pied.

 > What is your opinion as to the best time to separate babies from the 
 > parents for hand feeding. 
    The best age to pull for handfeeding is 2-3 weeks.

 > Is there any way to curb abusive behavior from the female?
   Not that I know of.  Hope I've helped some.  Good luck.
  Sue Kobel
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From: wrightsn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Susan )
Subject: Re: Cockatiel behavior
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:06:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193830.637@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> bhtongue@highlander.Berkeley.EDU (Benson H Tongue) writes:
>Hi group. I've got a quick question vis a vis cockatiels. My young
>bird (under a year) has started a new behavior. He (she) (I'm not
>sure yet since it's a cinnamon so the coloration clues aren't
>definitive) gets down off of my shoulder onto the dining room table
>and walks around. He (she) keeps his (her) body low with the crest
>down against his (her) head, spreads his (her) wings slightly away
>from his (her) body and bobs his (her) head up and down as he (she)
>walks. This behavior is probably a major clue to his (her) sex. So
>how about it. Does this tell me whether I've got a male or female?
>Thanks
>Benson

I think this tells you that your bird is courting you!  :-)

	Susan

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Looking for Cockatoo Book(s)
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:00:13 GMT

Can anyone in net-land recommend some good books on cockatoos?
We have plenty of parrot books, but they tend to "gloss over" cockatoos.
The bird health books (e.g. Gallerstein) don't offer much specialized
advice either.

Just FYI, it's for a citron-crested cockatoo.

Thanks in advance,


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: gje@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory James Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: cockatiel concussion
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:18:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr13.161833.17627
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Mar31.184536.2194@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> goerz@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas R Goerz) writes:
>... and flies right into a big plant pot I have.  He had several convulsions
>and I held him still as I thought he was dying :-(  He didn't die and I placed
>him in his cage with a towel in a dark room to keep him calm.  
>
>The vet
>says he's seen a whole range of recovers from immediate death, to death after
>a couple of days, to partial recovery to complete.  What experience have you
>netters had ? 
>
>THanks for any info!!
>
>Chad
>not tom
>goerz@ecn.purdue.edu

I have several parakeets.  Anyway, one morning (about 4:00 - 5:00) all of
them started wildly fluttering around in their cages (it happens at night
every once in a while and I still don't quite know what causes it).
Since it had happened before, I did my usual routine of turning on the
light, lifting up the cage covers, and trying to calm them down.  Only
this time I noticed one of them lying on his back, still flapping and
convulsing.  I took him out to hold him.  In about a half minute the
convulsions stopped, but his body was totally limp (and I was afraid he
was about to die).  Later I felt him regain some control of his neck and
legs.  I then gently set him back down in his cage (on the floor, as he
couldn't yet grip a perch).  By then the sun was rising, and I put the 
towel halfway around the cage so it wasn't too bright or 'active' near
the cage.  He rested and regained strength, and by late afternoon, he
was his happy self again.  And he's been fine ever since.

That's just my experience, but I hope the info helped.

   ___
  / _   /           Greg Elliott       
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    __/  /__        gje@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
	/__
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Are pistachios poisionous to birds?
Summary: Depressing
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:18:12 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


My beautiful hand-raised yellow-faced mutant peach-faced love bird
Spunky died yesterday!  He was fine and chirpy the previous day and
ate the normal amounts of food (baby food) and pellets.

I just got him to say his first word - hi! - it might not
be a big word but he was a small bird.

The only thing differnt that I know occured was that he
took a bite or two of a pistachio (undyed of course!)
It was so cute when he tried to open the shell so I let
him try one.  He had no more than 2 very small bites of
the "skin".

Other than that I know of nothing different; he was still a baby
and hence separated from all of the other birds so it was
a disease spread between birds.

Any ideas?
-- 
Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
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From: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Robin Attacking Storm Door
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Organization: vitalink communication corp an nsc company

For the past two years we have experienced a similiar situation with a Robin. 
Each year, for a few days, this Robin, sits on our window ledge and smashes
his head (beak) against the window. We never find a dead bird on our lawn, so
it must just get a bad headache. We don't know if it is the same bird each 
year, but it is wierd. We can sit in the room and watch it bang it's head, we 
even brought our budgie in from the other room to watch!!!

robin l newlund
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From: hubler@galaxy.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler)
Subject: Re: Question on breeding Cockatiels
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:41:17 GMT

In article <3539@rosie.NeXT.COM> colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp)) writes:
>
>Hi all!!
>My cockatiels' babies aren't even six weeks old and they already laid  
>eggs again.  Do they ever stop laying eggs, or is this something they  
>stop doing naturally?  Should I discourage their breeding by taking  
>the nest away?  I am not sure if it is ok for them to keep breeding  
>all the time.  Does anyone out there have any experience in the  
>subject that can help me out?  Thanks a lot,
>Delia

This is typical cockatiel behaviour.  They start laying as the
chicks are leaving the box.  I usually allow mine 2 clutches,
but sometimes they lay eggs a third time and I discard or fostor
them to another pair.  Constant breeding is too hard on them,
especially the female who should be given extra calcium.  You
can stop them by blocking the box when the chicks are ready to
come out, moving the cage (disrupting their sense of security),
playing with the light/dark cycle, or removing one of the parents
before the chicks are weaned.  Good luck, tiels just love to
breed.


Dale

--
Dale A. Hubler  (216) 977-7014   hubler@lerc.nasa.gov
Progress marches on, trampling everything in its path.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: a-amberf@microsoft.com (Amber Foruria)
Subject: Baby Cockatiel
Date: 06 Apr 92 22:24:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

	Well, I brought Shandy home this weekend!  She/he is wonderful.
I know most of you probably aren't interested in the gushings of newe
bird owners, but I've read your gushings....hee hee

	When I get home in the evenings she screams until I take her out
of her cage...well, she MUST be on my shoulder or else she will fly from
where ever I have placed her to my shoulder.  She then buries herself
under my hair with only her head peaking out and sleeps.  Well, she stays
quite until I talk...also, I can not interact with anyone else (on the 
phone or otherwise) while she is on my shoulder.  If i don't pay complete
attention to her NO ONE gets my attention.  Also, she is continuously
falling from her desired perches.  She has quite got the grace or technique
to climb around so she falls off the sides of her cage, her food "bowl" 
where she is sleeping.  Then, to make matters worse, when she picks a 
place to perch it isn't an easy place....for example, the curved top of
her cuttlebone or the top of a toy....strange bird!  But I love her....

Thanks for letting me gush!

	Now for some questions......

The guy I bought the bird from put a bedding of sorts on the bottom of 
the cage.....has anyone else heard of this?  It seems resonable except
he also scattered some food on the bottom.  Next, does anyone out there
know of a good avian vet in the Seattle area.  I would prefer one on the
east side, but Shandy's health is the most important thing.  

She hasn't shown any problems like "nightfright"

But I have NEVER seen her drink any water.  I have a small bowl on the
bottom of her cage, for her to drink out of.

One more thing.  I saw a cockatiel who was crazy for brass....would
it be okay for me to by a shallow brass pot for her to play with and
use as a bath?  Also, I love the idea of her taking showers with me
but I don't want to scare her.  how would I go  about finding out
if that is something she would enjoy?

Thanks in advance.  You guys have given me more info than I ever dreamed.
As a result I feel confidant in caring for Shandy.  Your advice has already
begun to prove invaluable!

Amber
 

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From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: Looking for Cockatoo Book(s)
Summary: Cockatoos 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.230013.10542@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>Can anyone in net-land recommend some good books on cockatoos?
>We have plenty of parrot books, but they tend to "gloss over" cockatoos.
>The bird health books (e.g. Gallerstein) don't offer much specialized
>advice either.
>
>Just FYI, it's for a citron-crested cockatoo.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>--
>Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
>chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
>==================================================================
>     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.

  The best book I have seen is called "Cockatoos: A Complete Pet Owner's
Manual"  by Werner and Susanne Lantermann.  Published by Barron's, 1989.
ISBN 0-8120-4159-3.  This is a relly great book, the photo of the male
Goffin hitting his mate on the head with a toy wrench is priceless!
They don't talk a whole lot about Citron-cresteds in particular, but
there is a picture of one in the book, and most of the info they give is
adaptable to all Cockatoos.

  joy
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Orange juice for parrots?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 14:32:17 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <dlcogswe.703291524@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>Here's a simple one for all of you:  is orange juice/citrus fruit/etc.
>okay for parrots?  A friend told me to avoid feeding citrus fruit to
>my conure becuase of the amount of acid involved.  Still, my bird LOVES
>orange juice.  I've been giving him a shot-glass full in the morning for
>the last few days.  He drinks much more OJ than water. 
>--
No problem--and in fact to be encouraged.  Our kids won't touch oranges,
despite their vet's urgings.  Rule is as always, everything in moderation.
My baby lovebird drinks out of glasses and so far, she isn't wild about
pineapple or cranberry, likes apple very much, isn't sure about grape
(funny colour) doesn't like tea (she insists on trying though!) and isn't
allowed to try Postum  (my coffee substitute.)  SInce she won't eat fresh
fruit, the juice is the next best thing.

Ruth
From: distef@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Distefano)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Baby Cockatiel
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:25:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

When you get home and your cockatiel starts screaming, ignore
her until she quiets down.  Once she is calm and quiet, then
take her out.  Otherwise, she is in control and will use this
technique get her way at other times.  You have to set ground 
rules and be consistent.  Don't reward her for misbehaving.

Sandra
distef@u.washington.edu
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From: cs902117@juno.ariel.yorku.ca (Tony D'Alfonso)
Subject: Canaries
Originator: cs902117@juno.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:28:00 GMT

I posted something in the "rec.birds" newsgroup, but I was told that that 
newsgroup is not exactly dealing with pet birds, and was advised to post in the
"rec.pets.birds" newsgroup.  Makes sense...

Anyways, if you haven't read my posting in the other newsgroup, it was 
concerning my pet canaries.  About a couple of summers ago, my canaries mated,
and one survived, but his little leg got tangled with some string that the
mother canary put in the nest, which twisted his leg as he grew.  He's over a
year old and he has had that crooked leg all his life.  I was wondering if 
there was a way to fix that leg?

Another thing about those canaries, the parent birds mated again, where 2 eggs
hatched, the babies started growing fine, then it seemed as though the parents
were attacking them.  So, we separated them.  The next thing I know is about a
week later, the babies died.  Now, I know that they had learned how to eat on
their own, so it couldn't be that they were too young to be taken away from 
their parents and to have died of hunger.  So what happened to them?
Any ideas?
 
Ever since, the parents haven't mated.
 
   ____
    / o n y.



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From: jverde@animal.inescn.pt (Joao Isidro Araujo Vila Verde)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Parakeet Psitacula Krameri Krameri
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:13:11 GMT
Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal

Hello
I am looking for a book or magazine (English, French, Spanish or Portuguese)
about Psitacula K. Krameri (sorry! I not know the English name, if you know 
tell me please) and their colours mutation.

Thanks in advance.

Isidro
jverde@animal.inescn.pt
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Love birds
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:03:22 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <167C2ADC9.D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>What are the easiest birds to train to talk?

Probably Amazons; Greys also learn easily but not as fast.  Budgies (parakeets)
and some conures are also good talkers; cockatiels pick up some words, as
do macaws.

>Has anyone had any luck teaching love birds to talk?

Forget it.  I have a book, Taming and Training Lovebirds, by an expert on
lovebirds, and she says she's never met a lovebird who knew more than 2
words.  THey are cute, busy, build lovely nests, are higly social, but they
aren't up on the learning foreign languages bit.  Sorry.

Ruth
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From: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Subject: Re: Cat
Reply-To: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Organization: vitalink communication corp an nsc company
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:42:34 GMT

In my experience most animals will a least tolerate each other as long as
they consider the other animal as the property of their owners. We've
owned fish, cats, dogs, rabbits and birds in different combinations most of 
my life. Our dogs would chase all cats in the neighborhood except ours. If 
the bird is big enough it's probably more of a threat to the kitten than the 
other way around. I know some people who have a dog and two 'tiels and have 
never had a problem tho' they all have free roam of the house. Just don't 
clip the birds wings so short that they can't excape. One time when I was 
babysitting the dog and my parakeet was on the floor the dog sort of jumped 
at the bird, as a invitation to play, Daisy, the keet, ignored him 
completely. I nearly had a heart attack but they were just fine. Try it!

robin l newlund
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From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: Looking for Cockatoo Book(s)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:22:36 GMT

Two suggestions:

	The World of Cockatoos by Karl Diefenbach
	in English c. 1985 T.F.H. Publications

	covers topics including biological concerns,
	behavior, environs, diet, grooming, breeding, and
	detailed descriptions of each species, including
	the cockatiel.  bibliography.  107 color photos.

	Taming and Training Cockatoos by Risa Teitler
	c. 1980 R. Teitler, distributed by T.F.H.

	risa is a trainer at parrot jungle in florida.
	not what i'd call an "in-depth" text, but does
	cover the basics of bird care with rudimentary
	behavior modification sprinkled throughout.
	small, and easy to read.

	T.F.H. Publications is at 211 W. Sylvania Ave.
	Neptune City, NJ 07753.

duane (in no way affiliated with T.F.H publications!)
From: X049BC@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Cat
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:37:48 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <92105.133232SR190504@ysub.ysu.edu>
SR190504@ysub.ysu.edu (SR) writes:
 
>Greetings,
>   I was wondering what the chances of a kitten and a bird getting
>along would be.  The kitten is 6 weeks old and the bird is several
>years (at least) old.  Is there much of a chance that they wouldn't
>harm each other?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Vincent M. Tkac
>savince@macs.ysu.edu
>
>Please respond privately I don't read this group often.
 
I think your biggest threat from the kitten (assuming that it's about the same
size or larger than your bird) is not so much outright aggression/hunting, but
playfulness. Cats teeth and claws are loaded with bacteria, and even a small
scratch could be fatal to your bird!
Having said that, I expect you can get them to tolerate/ignore each other IN
YOUR PRESENCE. Never, ever leave them alone together, unless you don't care
about losing your bird. Even if the bird can "take care of itself," the cat
could frighten it enough to kill it, and this includes the case of the bird
being "safe" in its cage.
I have had this happen, so I tend to be pretty zealous about warning others.
Good luck!
Bill
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    College Station, TX    | nowhere. When my boss wants my opinion,
    (That's TEKS-is, y'all)| he gives it to me.
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Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 13:32:32 EDT
From: Vincent M. Tkac (SR) <SR190504@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Cat

Greetings,
   I was wondering what the chances of a kitten and a bird getting
along would be.  The kitten is 6 weeks old and the bird is several
years (at least) old.  Is there much of a chance that they wouldn't
harm each other?

Thanks in advance

Vincent M. Tkac
savince@macs.ysu.edu

Please respond privately I don't read this group often.
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