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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Summary: No...not the Happy Whale! :-)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 05:59:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug27.185103.26029@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>Paul Andrew Platosh <pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>P.S. What do you guys think of the new Whalers uniform - kinda catchy, no?
>>
>>The original one from '72 -- green and white with a little gold trim
>> -- was no slouch, either...:-)
>
>I liked their current uniform, except it's lacking something without
>the "happy whale" on the shoulders.

I have no idea who thought of it, but the "happy whale" was on the shoulders
on those '72 uniforms, as well -- but the logo looked a lot better than the
big, ugly "W" with an "H" embedded in it that they were stuck with after
1978...

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 
                                 Power corrupts.
                          Absolute power is kind of neat.
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From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Vancouver tax-payers help arena
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:42:53 GMT

Vancouver taxpayers will be assisting on the goal of a new hockey
arena for the Vancouver Canucks. It will cost about 40-thousand dollars
for city hall to ``fast track'' the project. City Councillors argued
Northwest Sports should pay the full cost of speeding up the re-zoning red
tape. But the motion passed 6-4 with Mayor Campbell saying the extra costs
will be recouped through development permit fees. The president of
Northwest Sports, Arthur Griffiths, says he's pleased with the decision
adding it means the new facility, to be built near the B.C. Place Stadium,
will be ready for the opening game of the 1995-96 season.

The above is quoted from clari.local.bc.briefs.

--
rec.sport.hockey contact for Minnesota North Stars
Mitch McGowan a.k.a.   | MINNESOTA NORTH STARS | KALAMAZOO WINGS  |
hamlet@u.washington.edu| VICTORIA COUGARS      | ST. KILDA SAINTS |

Xref: sparky rec.sport.hockey:15849 rec.sport.basketball.pro:16487
From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:54:24 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


I am a big Dennis Rodman fan, but most of the people I know do not like him. 
I must therefore conduct my own Dennis Rodman poll. I would like as many
replies as possible

Dennis Rodman is
a) An all star; the best rebounder in the NBA
b) A good defensif player with run of the mill offensive skills
c) A goofy looking guy with big ears, who also wears the tightest pair of
   shorts in the NBA.




Signe: Mr. Iacurtop 
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Bad Hair Days/Tyrants
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:11:50 GMT

Please hang in there; this is not a transcript of today's "Kathy and Judy"
show. 

In the Tempo section of today's _Chicago Tribune_, writer Barbara Mahany
has a humorous article on "tyrants of world repute" and their bad pates.

Among the list of world dictators taken to task for their hair include
Zaire President Mobutu Sese Seko, China's Deng Xioaping, Cuba's Fidel
Castro, and Blackhawks GM Mike Keenan.


******************************************************************************
--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |  Ten Days to London...
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |  
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~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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From: dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan)
Subject: Re: 2 New Rules ???
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:15:20 GMT

In article <8eSp02Br1fzg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> esm40@cd.amdahl.com (Ed McGettigan) writes:
>In article <1766@hsdndev.UUCP>, nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark
>Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>>Can't wait for NBA-like 2 1/2 minute TV timeouts to be introduced to
>>NHL by ABC.
>
>Actually they already have these more or less.   The next time your at a game
>that is being televised or SportsChannelled (if that's a verb) look up at the
>broadcasters booth during a face off.  At the Shark's games in the Cow Palace
>they have someone holding a red light up and the referee won't drop the puck 
>until the light goes out.  

Better a long commercial timeout when play is stopped than stopping the
play to insert a commercial.  I remember reading an article about 15
years ago where someone related how a linesman carried a little beeper
that went off whenever the broadcaster had to insert a commercial (seven
minutes or whatever).  He signalled the ref, who would then blow the
whistle, stopping play.  The game would start with a faceoff again after
the commercial was aired.  Fans picked up on the signal and started
booing every time they saw it. 

                dwarf

--
W. Jim Jordan                      dwarf@x400gate.bnr.ca (Internet)
Bell-Northern Research             
Box 3511 Station C                 
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7    I work for BNR; I do not speak for it.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: NHL Salaries
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.150057.2920@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:

>I wonder if the owners have any kind of loop-detection built into this
>type of contract? I mean, what if Lindros signs a deal guaranteeing him
>the, say, 2nd highest salary. Then eventually everyone meets at
>Gretzky's (or whoever has the "number 1" contract). Of course if there
>are two people with "number 1", the spiral never stops. Well,
>algorithms was never my strong point, but you get the picture.

This might have been one reason why Eric refused to sign with Quebec. :-)  Joe
Sakic has a clause that says that he must be the highest paid player on the
team, I believe...  If Gretzky ever gets traded to Quebec, things can get
really interesting...

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EvaN PritcHarD)
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:59:52 GMT

hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel) writes:

>In article <Sep03.040044.58615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>>Some details:
>>
>>--25 regular season games (mostly on Fridays)
>>--up to 37 playoff games
>>--Full Stanley Cup Finals
>>--$80 million over 5 years (comprable to $50/3 year with Sports Channel
>>   parts of America)
>>--Provisions for future network TV coverage
>>--First game will be Oct. 6 (Tue.) - Phila. vs. Pitt. (Lindros vs. Lemieux)
>>
>>Enjoy

>I'm not sure that this is a great deal for hockey fans that already get
>good coverage. It might be good for places like Tampa or SanJose that
>don't have decent coverage. Last year I had great viewing options.
>SportsChannel NY gave me NYI, NJ and MSG gave me the Rangers. We also
>get HNIC. SOme occasional late games from from SC Chicago and their
>wonderful anchor at his wonderful set. A choice of over 10 games a week
>and almost every night! wife? child? thesis? my job....? huh? what?
>But I only play two nights a week.

HEY!  I live in the network area of SC Small Time - er, Chicago, and I
have to put up with 'their wonderful anchor at his wonderful set,' and
I don't like it.  You've seen all the posts that come out from time to
time about how horrendous SC is.  I would love to have access to HNIC!
(I'm from Winnipeg)  In upstate NY the situation is different, but
here in Illinois I am glad that there this deal went through, as we
can now be assured of some good coverage, which won't be blacked-out or
tape delayed for Bulls games that are also being shown on another
channel or for pre-season baseball (don't laugh; it's happened).  

[comments on the chances of hockey in the south noted, but deleted] 

=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- Waiting for the hockey season to begin  
Winner of the rec.sport.hockey trivia competition :-)  

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Subject: Bruins Mailing list
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:29:10 GMT

Could the Moderator of the Bruins mailing list please send me an email as
to entry of the mailing list. I once had an address and sent to it, but 
unfortunately, it bounced and I since then have forgotten the address.

Thank you,

-- 
Daniel Mcvay	11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu	11dmcvay@gallux.gallaudet.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: NHL Salaries
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:49:24 GMT

seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

>A substantial portion of that 3.5 million for Eric includes his signing bonus.
>I believe that the bonus was 2 million.

Lindros has a base salary of $3 million for the 1992-93 season and
will also receive a $3 million signing bonus spread evenly in $500,000
payments over six years.

He stands to make even more because his contract calls for individual
bonuses and salary revisions based on the bonuses.

He'd better perform or there will be a lot of unhappy campers
(or empty seats) at the Spectrum (I or II)!!

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Are the Oilers leaving Edmonton?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:58:25 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <allan.714805928@swanlake> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
>Subject: Are the Oilers leaving Edmonton?
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:12:08 GMT

>According to the newscast, other teams are having similar problems
>selling season tickets (most notably, Hartford and Washington).

In DC, I believe many people can afford the tickets (even at the higher 
price), but many of us are tired of Caps management.  The team gets to keep 
zero dollars from parking and concessions and thus tells its fans it can't 
afford higher priced players.  

Ciccarelli was traded for a younger player with potential, but Dino was a 
star player with high entertainment value.  Bobby Carpenter and Ivan 
Corriveu (sp?) simply don't replace him.  Neither does the brothers Miller 
and Hunter.  With Liut retired, the Caps have no (even slightly) proven back-
up goalie.  Pittsburgh, coming off two championship years, signs dave Tippet 
when the Caps say they have no room for an older player...the same thing 
they said when Trottier signed with the Pens a few years back.

We've been pitched Pivonka until we're sick.  Khristich and Bondra may be 
exciting, shooting stars, but where were they in the playoffs?  Poile says 
Dino was done.  Langway says Dino was getting blown off his skates game in 
and game out.  But, at least the guy did what he was supposed to do.  
And Langway's comments at a meeting with fans that "common fans don't know 
the game" hardly helped make me grab the Visa card. 

They bid for Manson, but it was a stunt.  Two weeks ago, Pollin FINALLY says 
it was a mistake to let Scott Stevens go.

In today's paper, they re-sign Paul MacDermid for three years.  Big deal.  
Nothing against Paul, but I don't plan to take the wife and kids to see him 
and his teammates at $150 bucks a night this year.

Pollin cries "poor" while his Bullets signed Harvey Grant for $17-million 
dollars.  There's many Caps parking dollars going to Harvey Grant, and for 
many of us, we'll keep the cars in the garage until this team proves it 
wants to be a winner.

Hope things go better in Edmonton...at least you won a few Cups, but if the 
situation out there is anything like it is in DC, pretty soon you may not 
care whether the teams moves, stays, or even plays....just like the players 
and owners didn't care about playing during the strike.

Go Flyers.
Go Rangers.
Go Pens.
Go Devils.
Go Islanders.

Go Caps: 1974 in 1992.

Warren

A "common fan" of Rod "never too old" Langway
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: High sticking rule for Pre-season only
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:33:14 GMT


Accordingt to Joe LaPointe of the NY times (who thinks that the rule
changes are pitiful, that they don't go far enough), the high sticking
above the waist is ONLY for the preseason.
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Subject: Re: Damphouse
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:51:32 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>>	Well, in my opinion, the Oilers will NEVER have it as good as
>>they had it in the 80's when they had Gretz, Coffey and the boys.  It's a
>>shame that the hockey standards in Edmonton aren't so high anymore because,
>>since the fans were a bit spoiled from it, they now don't really care about
>>the Oilers (well, not as much as they used to).
>>

>As for standards, Oilers hockey (which owes much to Canadiens hockey
>of earlier eras) is becoming the norm in the NHL.  Sather bucked the
>trend to defensive hockey in the early eighties, and reversed the
>direction of the NHL game.

>The fans are still in post-Gretzky-trauma syndrome...however there is a method
>to Sather's "madness"...he's not going to make the mistakes Bill Torrey
>made...the Oilers are still in transition to the post-Gretzky era and
>this is aggravated by the financial re-ordering of the league.

>The Oilers are extremely well-positioned to be a good team on the ice
>during the nineties...when the recession is over and the roster
>stabilizes a bit more, the fans will be back.  It would have been
>extremely easy for Sather to stand pat and not make bold changes... 
>to be content with mediocrity rather than gambling on excellence.

>But then the Oilers aren't the Washington Capitals!

	Well, I am basically basing my opinion on the fact that the Oilers
are alledgedly having a hard time selling season tickets, and also the fact
that they couldn't sellout in the playoffs very easily - I guess the recession
plays a big part in that.  If it wasn't for Sather (one of the best GMs as is
Fletcher) then I think that they would be a lot worse off now, however.

-- 
--
Don Graves
Acadia University, Wolfville, N.S. Canada
don.graves@dragon.acadiau.ca || 890491g@ace.acadiau.ca
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 14:09:48 -0400 
From: Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DYANSTY-Pens


If you question the greatness of the Pens, look at their depth chart
(top 2 lines - write me if you want the full depth char)

Left WIng                          Center                     Right WIng
K. STevens(all time single         Mario Lemiuex              Jaromir Jagr
   season point record for         (greatest player ever)     (2nd best today?)
   LeftWings)

Bob Errey(20 goals/season)         Ron Francis(all time       RIck Tocchet
                                    Whaler scoring leader)    (could put up
                                                              Stevens type 
                                                             numbers if
healthy)            

        
Defense:  ULF(how is your knee, Cam?)
          Murphy - Mike Keenan called him a "superstar"
          Stanton - Paek - both solid
 
Goalie:  Tom Barasso ( Best playoff goalie)
         Ken Wregget         
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:58:09 -0400 
From: Paul Andrew Platosh <pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
	<1992Aug20.123415.7698@rz-berlin.mpg.de>

Being an avid fan of the Whalers all my life, I can tell you that rsh
does exist in Hartford.  I'm not sure if Baldwin was ever connected with
the Whalers organization, but recently fired GM Eddie Johnson was good
friends with Baldwin, since he spent a number of years in the Pittsburgh
organization.
==Paul
P.S. What do you guys think of the new Whalers uniform - kinda catchy, no?
From: dstein@dione.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup odds
Date: 25 Aug 92 08:02:48 GMT
Reply-To: dstein@dione.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department

In article <VANDER.92Aug25151442@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp>,
vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
 
|> Hmmm... I'm (obviously) no statistician, but if I add 1/3, 1/4, 1/7,
|> ... 1/300, I end up with 2.8961688.  Does that mean that there is 
|> almost a 300% chance that someone will win the Stanley Cup in 1993?  :-)

   No, no...  it means there will be three Stanley Cup winners next year.
   It's the newest NHL measure to make hockey more popular--America likes
   *winners*.

 - David

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
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From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: More Penguin News From Toronto
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:40:32 GMT

Today's Sun carried a story saying that EJ is at the top of Patrick's
list as the new coach. Mario is also reported to be lobbying hard on
EJ's behalf. The article also mentioned that Bowman is near to signing
a 5-year deal in the Pens' front office.

Marc Green
Trent University
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Die! NASTY-Pens
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:33:48 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Sep3.232517.26294@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu (some guy without a name) wrote:

>>> Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>>>If you question the greatness of the Pens, look at their depth chart

>>> WILSON@cs.ucf.edu (Tom Wilson) wrote:
>>> I question both their greatness and your arrogance. I'll admit Pittsburgh is

Tell ya what, we'll try your tact. I was simply reacting to your claim that
Gary had demonstrated ARROGANCE in his post. I reacted, very plainly, to
what I believe is your arrogance about the definition of what a great team
is truly composed of. Most of the things I wrote referred to NHL teams, and
so you could give a cute response you decided to refer to yourself
as a team. Cute and creative. 

>> That doesn't mean much in Boston. Find a map.

Well, for one thing, your Central Florida address gives us no clue as to
your team loyalty. Besides, if your think I sit here writing down everyone's
name and their favorite team you are out of your frigggin mind.

> In two years, I can't remember starting a thread that contained a bunch of
> cheerleading for Boston. In two years, I can remember following up to a lot
> of threads that contained cheerleading for other teams. Sorry to point that
> out to you.
 
Well, I have seen your work before and I truly thank you for monitoring the 
newsgroup for us. WHO is on their high horse? I'll refrain from responding to 
a lot of your b.s. simply because its not worth the waste of space. I'm sorry
if I offended the only person on this earth that has never found the need to
boast about anything. The nice thing that seperates me from you, though, is
that I didnt pick a champion from the beginning. Pens fans took a lot
of shit from people like you since the BEGINNING and if you dont like it back,
than that's tough. And I may be an asshole, but I do not tell other people
what they should and should not post. Mr. Monitor, that path has been 
followed by you, and I'd rather be called an asshole than to be sitting in
those shoes, any day. How about YOU come back to reality.


some guy with no name
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: It's the refs...not the rules !
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:19:10 GMT
Reply-To: kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Irvine


In article <350@usday32.Dayton.NCR.COM> mcp@usday32.UUCP (Mike
Perkins) writes:
>
>	Does anyone out there actually beleive that the new rules
>	will actually make a difference, especially when the 
>	ones enforcing the rules are named Koharski, Stewart,
>	VanHellemond, et all...
>
>	Just look at last years play-offs as an example.  In the 
>	Boston-Buffalo series high-sticks where flying all over the
>	place in both directions.  Dale Hawerchuk got a 10 stitcher 
>	around the eye right in full view of the ref ... no call!
>
>-- 
>Mike Perkins



You forgot to add one ref to your list -- the completely blind Frazier! 

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

--
From: micbrian@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAD MAX - THE ROAD WARRIOR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: David Littman goes to Tampa
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

David Littman, the #1 goalie for the Rochester Americans last year and
a top prospect in the Buffalo Sabres organization, has been signed by the
Tampa Bay Lightning.

Littman, 25, was recently declared a free agent w/o compensation due to
the new collective bargaining agreement.  He will receive $200,000 if he
stays with Tampa, $65,000 if he goes to the minors.

Littman was a phenomenal goalie, and even though he most likely will not
have played for the Sabres this year, he was a prospect with a future.
Perhaps the Sean Burke rumors make a little more sense now.

Brian
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: John Davidson's comments on new rule changes
Keywords: new rules, John Davidson
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:56:24 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) wrote:
>terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>> First he said that the fight instigator rule is not strong enough.  He felt
>> that the instigator of the fight should not only be thrown out of the 
>> current game but the following game as well to be really effective.
>How about this for an idea: Make it a 60 MINUTE suspension.  This prevents
>the tendency to "go for broke" in the last 4 minutes of a game, making a
>game misconduct meaningless.

You'd need provisions to deal with players being scratched, sent to the minors,
or declared as being injured. What if a player was traded? That would cause
some controversy. I'm sure there is some workable system.

Tom
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