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From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:08:19 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>Well, Jeanette is now about 4 months pregnant.

	My hearty congrats, and I'm sure you'll do a great job, John.

>In the words of Lou Reed, "It's the beginning of a great adventure."

	Ah, I've gotta love you for this reference. It would be fun
to post the whole lyric for this song- shall I? you?

>I asked God to bless me with children, so I'm going to seize the
>moment and raise me a kid from scratch.  For those of you that have
>never trusted in God for anything, let me just tell you that in all my
>years of asking God for things and counting my blessings, He has never
>steared me wrong or let me down.  So, you might think of this as an
>invitation to look at the money in your pocket and heed the simple
>advice - "In God We Trust".

	Again, I'm sure you'll do a great job. Good Luck. In saying
goodbye (as I suppose we've already done), I must say that I've
been most impressed with you in the past month in particular. While
I realize I'm not your teacher and not grading you, I wish I could
see the continuation of that growth here in Usenetland. Heck, maybe
we could beg for tx.haughbaby.update? 

-- 
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"They say 'David, what shall I do? They wait for me in the hallway'.
I say 'Don't ask me- I don't know any hallways."- David Bowie, "Scary Monsters"
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Abortion (Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 22:28:16 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <1992Aug12.171157.10933@cactus.org>, rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
 
|> Pro-Choice: Rhetoric "blanks out" the issue of the second life, denies its 
|> humanity,

I'm pro-choice and I don't deny its humanity.  I just don't place the
importance of its humanity quite as high as you do.  It's a matter of
priorities.

|> It's interesting to note how, ten years ago, the pro-choicers were very 
|> adamant about abortion *not* being a birth-control method; yet, that's 
|> precisely what the issue has become.

The solution to this is to educate people about birth control.  Funny
how many of the same people who oppose abortion also don't want their
kids to learn anything about birth control.

|> Without some opposition, what's 
|> to hinder the change to infanticide from birth control?

Easy.  There is major opposition against infanticide.  Would you care
to conduct one of those surveys to see how many people support a
parent's right to kill an infant?  Infanticide is quite illegal, and I
don't see that changing anytime soon.  Your slippery slope argument
doesn't work.

|> I
|> don't like to see anything which cheapens the value of human life, and 
|> unhindered, on-demand abortion does precisely that.  It's a cancer on the 
|> moral and ethical fabric of society.  And I say this from a philosophical, 
|> not religious, perspective.

There's nothing particularly special about human life.  This is a
harsh cruel world we live in.  We're just one of the species trying to
survive and keep our genes going.  And any perspective that assumes a
definable "moral and ethical fabric of society" IS a religious one.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:41:31 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <7144@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>Hey, John. I honestly think that Fred was serious.

That's OK, I was serious too.

>In any case, "fuck you" is hardly an appropriate response to someone's
>congratulatory statement; either it's sincere, and should be appreciated, or
>it's not, in which case treating it like it's serious makes you the good guy,
>instead of a total asshole.

No, it is a valid response.  I have spent countless hours researching
postings that I make.  Fred's responses have in the main been insulting
and demeaning and not the least exemplary of one who cares about the
facts.  He doesn't get brownie points because he suddenly wanted to
pretend he is the good guy.

>I'd congratulate you too, but after a response like that...

I have far respect for you in one of my gray hairs than I do for Fred in
all of my entire body.  I'd suggest that Fred drown in his own puke, but
that would be a waste of good puke.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:45:18 GMT
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Distribution: tx
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Aug12.152130.17198@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> Please demonstrate factually exactly how it is that a lump of tissue,
> no matter how 'human' it may look, which has no human brainwaves can
> qualify as 'human'.  When people achieve that state (no human
> brainwaves), we generally adjudge them to be DEAD (insofar as being
> live people goes).

No, YOU explain how a fetus, which (unless it dies) WILL soon be totally
indistinguishable from a human being (because it is one) months, is somehow
magically NOT human.  Dead people usually don't get brainwaves later.  Babies
do.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:00:26 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug20.153619.27327@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>Yeah, I kind of wondered if I'd missed something, too, since I'd
>assumed that John considered this a Good Thing.  I guess, though, that
>I can't be *too* surprised, given the tone and style of much of
>everything else that he's posted.

You did miss something, Fred.  You missed the fact that you are a complete
and total twit.  You don't abuse, harass, annoy, belittle, etc. someone
for months and then pretend you've made up by offer your congratulations.

Life just doesn't work that way.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
From: huggins@dss1.austin.ibm.com (Jim Huggins         (8-8305))
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:08:43 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Aug05.223356.10180@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:
>In article <BmZZoB3w164w@k5qwb.lonestar.org>, lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org (Mr. Lyn R. Kennedy) writes:
>> 
>> That wasn't the question he was asked.
> 
>Does anyone have a complete transcript of the interview?

Unfortunately, I don't think that'll really help here. 

The pure text was something like this:
		(after a quick-fire exchange on the subject)
	King: If your daughter decided to have an abortion, would you
	      support her decision?
	Quayle: I would support her.

But what doesn't come out in the text is the tone of Quayle's response,
which was something like:
	Quayle: I would support *her*.

The point being that Quayle would not want his daughter to have an
abortion, but that he would continue to love and care for her.

Unfortunately, that nuance of tone doesn't come across when reduced
to 'just the words', which has caused this whole flap.

-------------------------
Jim Huggins
From: curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: computers and language instruction
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:16:19 GMT
Reply-To: curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072)
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin, TX


*2   COMPUTERS:  TRANSLATORS FOR FL ENGLISH-DEFICIENT YOUTH
     A new computer program in Dade County, FL, is making
learning more fun and easier for students who are deficient in
English (Crockett, MIAMI HERALD).  English Language Development
includes computerized stories, songs, poems and lessons that help
students broaden their vocabulary and learn the sounds and
rhythms of the English language.
     Early studies show the learning of students using the
program is accelerated compared to traditional teaching methods.
According to the newspaper, FL educators are so confident in the
program they may sell it to other school districts, particularly
in TX and CA.
     The program's results "have been sparkling," said
Morningside Elementary Principal Evelyn Stephens.  She said
"children are learning faster, and the computer allows them to
learn at their own pace.  Lessons can be tailored to address each
student's needs or customized to the classroom curriculum."
     Of FL's 97,000 primary and secondary English-deficient
students, 47,000 reside in Dade County.  The program currently is
available only for grades K-3.  Ed Commissioner Betty Castor said
it should be available for grades 4-12 in a year (8/15).

curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt L. Finch) | AIX NFS/NIS Field Quality 
My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |       Austin, TX
        The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are
          taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.
Xref: sparky tx.politics:4349 alt.politics.clinton:2580
From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

Curt in Austin, yes I'll comment.  First, though, my oversimplistic
explanation was not intended to promote protectionism.  I merely 
wanted to show that a trade imbalance is a serious concern to us.
Your argument (from what I remember about economics) seems pretty
accurate, but I repeat, we have an imbalance.  The economic models
we learned depended on ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, but the problem
is that they aren't.  There are too many variables that make the
playing field uneven, and in my opinion invalidate or at least
mitigate the classic models.  With your good grip on economics,
you probably think I'm being silly, but I do worry that while
we are exporting jobs to poorer countries for short term gains,
we are also importing the third world standard of living to this
country.  

Please, reassure me -- I have kids and grandkids and am very
concerned about the life they are inheriting from us.


	Bye, Judy.
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:21:36 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <7104@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>Those babies (for they've been born) deserve to be treated as any other
>premature infant. How many of the incidents you describe in your first
>sentence really happen?...or is it like what anti-abortionists claim
>pregnancies from rape are: a tiny fraction of total cases?

Several per day.  That's why OR attacked the abortion clinic in Wichita.
They regularly perform 3rd trimester abortions.  Doctors have become very
expert at ignoring the legal restrictions against doing so, and they use
such tricks as re-defining the age of the child.

There are probably no more than one or two thousand abortions in this
country where the child is actually alive when it is aborted.  This is
because saline abortions kill the child before it has a chance to get
out.  Many do come out kicking and screaming, but they are quickly tossed
into a "sanitary" garbage can and covered with other debris.  The
occasional child is born missing limbs that the doctor tried to slice
off in a botched abortion attempt.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Lottery
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:13:46 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <2TgFPB3w164w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
|> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
|> > Well, you could try to vote out the Governor and her big spending cohorts.

This comment is perplexing.  What "big spending" has Ann Richards been
responsible for?  Or are you just saying this because she is a
Democrat and that causes your autonomous nervous system to start the
"tax-and-spend, tax-and-spend" broken record?

|> I tried; I lost.

You voted for Mr. "Lay back and enjoy it" Blatant Millions?

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Abortion (Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:34:08 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <T51iPB2w164w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
> Interesting...I think I'd say that moral and ethical is derived from
> religious beliefs.

	I'll go with that...

>                     But rather than believing that human life is
> "nothing...special", I find it more plausible to believe that it is
> special.

	I almost think I would agree that humans are just another species
fighting for survival on this little rock.  We've achieved great things,
however we do have a biased perspective on the issue.

>           The vast majority of human societies (perhaps all of them) have
> defined a "moral and ethical fabric of society" for themselves.  Which
> means that the vast, vast majority of people are "religious" in some
> sense, and that it is totally natural for them to reflect their beliefs
> in their laws.

	And these "morals and ethics" can be radically different from
society to society.  Ones persons religious sacrament would be a sin in another
culture.  And even animals have a social order to help protect the species
from predation by others.  Ours only more "advanced", but not that much
different (racism, territorialism, child abuse, etc can be found in the
animal kingdom, just as with us "special" humans).

>                 Secondarily, the fact that so many people _are_
> religious might be evidence that their _is_ something supernatural,
> outside of all of us.  I think your viewpoint, John, is very much the
> minority.

	Or it could be the urge to find purpose and order in the world.  Do we
turn to science or religion?  I still like the line from the "Notebooks of
Lazarus Long":  Man created God in his own image.  Do you really think that
an all-powerful being would look like us?  Taking the converse, God created
us in his own image, then he seemed to have created baboons, horses, frogs,
etc in his image as well.  There are striking similarities between species
all across the world.

> -- 
> Chris Winemiller         Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
>                          UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil
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David L. Cathey		                |INET: davidc@montagar.com
Montagar Software Concepts              |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
Xref: sparky tx.politics:4250 alt.politics.clinton:2385
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:37:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Richard Crisp) writes:
>> = Tom Warner:

[re: Crisp's apparent false Hitler quote...]

>>enough time to respond. But all you do is repeat it ... hmmm, begs the 
>>question, who is really behaving like Hitler around here?

>Well I have told you all who is behiving like Hitler: it is Clinton
>and all of you are behaving like the Brownshirts and Hitler youth in 
>you blind following the pied piper.

Uh, sure thing.  Now, just slip into this little white jacket...

Crispy sounds fried.  His "sentence" doesn't even parse.

>To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
>qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
>stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.

This is great.  Why, then, did Americans vote in our favorite Axle Grease
Head in 1980?  Exactly why was he considered qualified?


-- 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
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steven@advtech.USWest.Com
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:19:58 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <21384@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>Path: exucom.exu.ericsson.se!texsun!moxie!wotan.compaq.com!cs.utexas.edu!chinacat!rpp386!jfh
>From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
>Newsgroups: tx.politics
>Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
>Message-ID: <21384@rpp386.lonestar.org>
>Date: 18 Aug 92 12:56:44 GMT
>References: <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org> <1992Aug17.153324.9399@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
>Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
>Distribution: tx
>Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas
>Lines: 12

>In article <1992Aug17.153324.9399@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>In <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>>Well, Jeanette is now about 4 months pregnant.
>>
>>Hey, congratulations.

>Fuck you.

Whoa!

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    "This must be Thursday.  I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinic Defense
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:39:33 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute


>The Houston clinics have been kept operational during the past two weeks
>through the volunteer efforts of about 2,000 defenders.
>-- 
>Jaclyn Brandt
>jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
>--

You are correct, the doors stay open. One correction, we have 4,000
defenders. 

Off to the clinic....
tim
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From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:11:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug20.161727.5659@u.washington.edu> cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:
>In article <wa#nn5c.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>>
>>"The first thing you have to do is disarm the people. A disarmed
>>public can't fight back" -Adolf Hitler
>>
>
>Someone else in this room has repeatedly asked you for a source on this quote,
>to which I have seen no response. Although the analogy to the armed American
>citizen defending against 1990s American military is nothing other than
>laughable machismo, I don't doubt Hitler thought that way. But is the quote
>authentic? Where did you find it? You've obviously been granted more than
>enough time to respond. But all you do is repeat it ... hmmm, begs the 
>question, who is really behaving like Hitler around here?

The source of the quote is long lost, it is something I read many years
ago. I wish I had the source, I simply do not. Of course those of you
in this group that are true Liberals will say "Ah, again Crisp is
ranting bullsh*t and is making things up". To this I say "say what
you want, you always do anyway".

Basically the attribution of the quote is sort of like the attribution 
of the quote from Lincoln "you can fool all of the people some of the
time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't
fool all of the people all of the time". I don't know where to begin looking
up the souorce of that Lincoln quote, but most folks generally accept 
that he said it.

It is a particularly apt quote too considering Clinton's economic
policy, Gore's environmental rhetoric and all of the other crap
these two Bozos keep spouting out. "some of the people all of the
time" Indeed!


-- 
Richard Crisp            Cupertino, Ca.             crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk   "I don't brake for liberals"   (408) 253 4541 fax

To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.
From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Republican Candidates
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:39:01 GMT
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.

judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:

> How can the man who singlehandedly whipped the evil empire into submission,
> making the world safe for all, stand there in front of God and everyone and
> tell us he can't handle the guys in his own Congress?  
> 
 It's called "being a politician" :-)

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