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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:01:21 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1960

> In article <rjg.712346442@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
>>The Ottawa bike paths have an interesting obstacle that the streets do not,
>>pedestrians! 
> 
> [some stuff about the dangers of pedestrians etc written in a very
> [entertaining style]
>

  I mentioned another obstacle to watch out for in an earlier posting:-

  People taking dogs for walks along one side of the path while they walk
  on the other, the lead hanging about 12 inches above the center of the
  bicycle path.

  These obstacles are a more sophisticated form of Random Ballistic Object.

  To begin with, a cyclist may not even be aware that there is a leather
  strap capable of tripping his bike over until it is too late - a very
  cunning device that!

  The "RBO" itself is made of not one, but three, major moving parts:

  1) The dog:       This part can suddenly move into the path of a bicycle
                    without warning. It can move faster than a kid!

  2) The lead:      This part can be raised suddenly to cause a possible
                    infringement of the cyclists breathing equipment.

  3) The dog-owner: Moves like most other adult pedestrians but is slightly
                    more predictable because of its attachment to the rest of
                    the RBO.  

  One possible consolation for a cyclist falling victim to one of these is
  that the dog-owner part may feel some responsibility for the inability of
  the dog part to cause damage to other cyclists once its neck is broken!


  I use an air horn - distinctive sound, more easily recognised by
  pedestrians; it has a better range; most effective.


  
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:51:10 GMT

In <1992Jul29.085502.17038@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:

>From article <1992Jul28.154005.12742@csi.uottawa.ca>, by mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca
> (Maria Lantin writes:-

>> [stuff about path safety]
>>
>> had a mishap or some of their friends did.  The message I got from all that 
>> is that bike paths are not THAT safe and that one should be very careful 
>> (yelling out one's intentions before acting on them) while maneuvering on
>> them. Sorry didn't mean to babble :)
>> 

>  I would estimate that on my 35-40 minute, 15km journey home from work I
>  use my horn an average of 3 times to avoid an accident. Usually this is
>  to alert an otherwise oblivious jay walker that if he doesn't move his
>  A** off the path he might be in some sort of danger or to alert cyclists
>  riding 2 (or 3!) abreast that I am coming through and need some space.

Hmm, I can see in now in rec.autos: "...Usually this is to alert an
otherwise oblivious bicyclist that if he doesn't move his a** off the
road he might be in some sort of danger...".  You sound *exactly* like
cagers bitching about cyclists on "their" road.


>  What does everybody else think?

I think that *we* should not be road segregationists.  I'm sickened by
this whole thread.  You want *exclusive* access to right-of-ways built
with public money?  That's *exactly* what the cagers say about roads.
"Those damned cyclists are too slow, they're erratic, they don't pay
attention (i.e.  they don't move out of the sacred way), they break
laws.  They should be banned from the roads."  If pedestrians using a
"bike path" are too slow for you, don't ride on the "bike path".
Otherwise, obey the overtaking laws; if there's no room to pass, slow
down and stay behind until it's safe to pass.

How can you claim a right to use the road if you're unwilling to give
it to others?

>-- 
>  ///==================================================================\\\
>  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
>  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
>  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:28:32 GMT
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Computer Consoles, Inc.  Rochester, NY


rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) wrote this about Signalling right turns:
>There is a push in this province (Alberta) to change the right turn hand signal
>from one done with the left hand pointing upward with the arm bent at the elbow
>to a right turn hand signal done with the right hand pointed straight out to 
>the right.  I would like to know which is the legally recognized right turn 
>hand signal in your area.
> 

In NY State both are legal.  I prefer to use my right hand to point the
direction I intend to turn.  Others I know still like to use the left arm up
signal.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Numb fingers
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:43:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I've noticed a few postings recently about numbness in the fingers and
hands.  Here are some comments.

I have had numbness and tingling in the little and ring fingers of both 
hands since 1988. (This is not the classic "carpal tunnel syndrome" sign, 
which usually involves the first two fingers.) I've seen several doctors 
about it, have had extensive X-rays done, and the conclusion is just that 
it is uncorrectable, irreversible nerve damage.  In other words: live with 
it!

When I was riding long randonees (including PBP) in the early and mid
'80s, I often suffered temporary finger numbness after a ride, but it
usually went away after a few days.  Now it's permanent.

Note that I have been riding bicycles (as well as motorcycles) a lot for 
over 30 years, so have had a lot of stress to my hands and wrists. You 
might want to think about using a lot of padding (not just gloves, but 
padded bars as well) if you are into long rides, or ride a lot.

But be aware also that propensity for this kind of nerve damage varies 
quite a bit among individuals.  I am *not* claiming that if you ride lots 
of double centuries with unpadded bars you will inevitably wind up with 
permanently numbed fingers, or that you will inevitably wind up with 
permanent nerve damage if you ever experienced temporary numbness.

This kind of nerve damage isn't disabling, just uncomfortable.

Ride bike!

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)
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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: mtb chainrings - which are the best?
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Distribution: usa,rec
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:53:59 GMT

pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.133315.11240@vicorp.com>,
>chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes: 
>> I'm about to overhaul my SuperGlide chainrings (as well as the chain
>> and cassette).  Originally, I was going to purchase Sugino rings,
>> because they seem to be of decent quality and not too expensive - I
>> don't want to go back to SuperGlide because they wore down extremely
>> quickly, and I don't find any great advantage to the pre-worn teeth.

>I recently replaced the two smaller superglide chainrings on my mtb
>with a 24 tooth stainless NINJA and a 36 tooth stainless ONZA. I left
>my 46 tooth SG alone since it wasn't nearly as badly worn as the other
>two.
>I paid about $3 more for the stainless steel in hopes of avoiding tooth
>deformation/wearing and hopefully a much longer lifespan than the 2 seasons
>I had on the alloy.
>So far they are working great, and they seem stiffer when pounded on. They 
>do weigh more, but its not something you notice while covered in 20 lbs
>of mud.

Those SG chainrings don't last more than three or four months on my bike.
Also, i didn't have the best experiences with Specialized chainrings,
they are very 'soft' and tend to wear out as fast as the SG chainrings.

I could not get the ONZA stainless rings here last week so i bought 
some aluminum chainrings from Pace which should last much longer than
ordinary SG ones. Unfortunately they cost much more here (~$54), so i
hope they hold at least eight months.

Adrian
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alh@einoed.in-berlin.de   Berlin 36. Tel.: 030/611 31 26,  Fax.: 030/826 98 75
                                         "Christianity Is Stupid" -Negativland
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Moab, Utah
From: course355@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (CCIT COURSE)
Date: 23 Jul 1992 03:49 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Has anyone here been to Moab, Utah.  The trails are amazing, and the terrain
is widely varied.  If you know about Moab, talk to me on email, as I am not
exactly sure how to use this posting facility yet.

  JBRODSKY@hacks.arizona.edu

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From: bdaniels@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Brett Daniels)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:35:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.181242.23176@informix.com> cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi) writes:
>From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
>Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
>Date: 28 Jul 92 18:12:42 GMT
>In article <1992Jul27.162929.13123@news.eng.convex.com>,
>pvogel@convex.com (Peter A. Vogel) writes regarding NBC's
>cycling soap opera:
>> ...they're trying to disgust you 
>> into paying $29.95/day (or 125 for all 15 days) of triplecast subscription.
>> 
>> Of course, if you have triplecast, you would get to see the Women's Road 
>> Race in its entirety... On August 6th (according to TV guide).  So you 
>> have a choice, kinda like the presidential choice.
>
>That is the *ONLY* appearance of "cycling" in the triplecast
>program guide -- 36 hours of programming a day, and they schedule
>more time for Equestrian events than Cycling events :-(
>At least there's not much synchronized swimming...
>
>For what it covers, the triplecast so far is much, much better than
>the reader's-digest-condensed evening coverage.  The commentators 
>(for diving and gymnastics, at least) are knowledgeable, and they
>are talking real-time, so their reactions are genuine, not scripted.
>The woman doing commentary on the women's platform diving was awesome,
>she was predicting the judges' scores for every dive before the
>diver's head popped up, and was right most of the time.
>
>Which makes it all the sadder that the triplecast plans so little
>cycling coverage.

In Australia we have had quite a bit of cycling coverage, especially because 
of KAthy Watt winning the gold, with Phil Liggett as the commentator.  He is 
just as good as he was in the TdF.

Brett
___________________________________________________________________________________
Brett Daniels                  |     "The blackberry jam tastes like fish"
Department of Psychology       |
University of Tasmania         |                  possibly a Marx brother
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general,kingston.general
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: TDF: First American Mountain stage win
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:45:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


In article <5429@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
|> TDF stages are of 5 types (as classified for green jersey points) -
|> 
|> 	Mountain
|> 	Hilly
|> 	Flat
|> 	ITT (& prologue)
|> 	TTT
|> 
|> It might be true that Lemond won Hilly stages before but perhaps not
|> mountainous (although in my eyes the joint finish with Hinault should have
|> been classified as a draw). I don't know what criteria they use, but this
|> year mountain stages were definitely the 2 big ones, stages 11 and 12, 1
|> and 2 were all hilly and they had some fair climbs in - so my bets are
|> that the Superbagneres and/or Aix-le-Bains (I cannot remember them, but
|> I will trust the other netters) could well have been hilly stages 
|> leaving Pyrennes and Alps respectively.
|> 
|> This all hypothesis; does anyone know how many official mountain stages
|> there are in this years event?
|> 
|> Anybody else impressed with Vona - 2 2nd places on the hardest stages, I
|> hadn't heard of him before.

he did shine in this year's giro, didn't he?
|> 
|> Jaermann was likewise impressive the way he kept up with Delgado, I seem
|> to remember the runner up in last years green jersey having a similar name,
|> anyone remember?
|> 
|> What can you say about Lino, after his inspired performance in the last
|> ITT, he could give Hampsten a run for his money. Looks like he took over
|> Luc Leblanc's mantle from last year as top French outsider!

hopefully he will fare better than vincent barteau who defended his
yellow for days against all expectations in '84 ('85?) but did not
turn out to be a star.

|> --
|>         John M Kewley
|>  
|> ICL Computers Limited, Wenlock Way, West Gorton, Manchester. M12 5DR
|> Tel: (+44) 61 223 1301 X2138  Email: jk@fiveg.icl.co.uk or jk@cs.man.ac.uk

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:20:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

I guess I ought to make some sort of posting on this
subject to make myself a little more clear.

I was seriously into motorcycle road racing. I was a member of 
the American Federation of Motorcyclists, a board member and
the safety director for that organization for awhile. I worked
in the motorcycle business during the electronics depression
of the late 60's early 70's.

After the government began regulating motorcycles and requiring
all sorts of fees and licences (You just _have to read the California
drivers test for motorcyclists which contain _numerous_ incorrect
answers to the questions and which were unable to have properly
restated) the business began to fall until now there is essentially
no new market for motorcycles at all.

Precisely the same thing happened in the marine industry. I was
involved in sailboat racing including crewing on the season IOR
championship boat here on SF bay. But when the various governmental
agencies began it all ended the marine business. There are no longer
any more major sailboat manufacturers in the U.S. and the market for
a used boat is nil.

Bicycling is now approaching these problems. If governmental agencies
begin regulating bicycling it will only be a short time before they
start taxing us to support to regulatory bodies. Since bicycling
works on the slimmest of profit margins now that will pretty much
sound the swan song of bicycle shops in general.

And a large percentage of bicyclists that bicycle as a means to 
get away from the general hubub will simply disappear from the
sport.

Regulations and taxations will tend to drive away the people that
the sports most need to survive. If you think that you want to
see your sport become a business of a few custom frame manufacturers 
and some used equipment dealers that sell used groupos like gold
because there isn't enough business out ther to support companies
like Shimano then just support helmet laws, quality assurance via
governmental regulation and "this is for your own good" laws.
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:53:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Jul28.195345.40317
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <jh.1@scs.uiuc.edu> jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) writes:
>The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap over
>the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels and 3 into 32 does not
>go, i.e. there's always at least one spoke in the way.  The manual recommends
>cutting off the tabs and attaching the ring with electrical ties to the
>nearest spoke crossings.  This solution is sub-optimal given that the
>electrical ties won't match up neatly either.  Is there a clever solution
>that I am missing.  Any advice appreciated.        jh.

Heh, I had the same problems. Basicly I "force fitted" the ring in there.
(I didn't cut the clips, I didn't use straps. I have shimano 105 hubs)
No, it isn't perfect, and doesn't make an exact circle when the wheel
spins, but it works. (At least for a year now it has.)

Let me know if anyone has any better ideas.
Regards,
-Pete
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Pete Ikusz	Introl Corporation	pete@introl.com
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject:  '92 WC (was  ?? on world champ colors)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:39:00 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: world championship
Followup-To: '92 WC (was  ?? on world champ colors)

In article <_0gm_zp@lynx.unm.edu>, sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery) writes:
|> Oscar S. Cavazos writes:
|> >
|> > [...stuff deleted...]
|> >
|> >Also, does anyone have the date and location for this years WC race.
|> >
|> >Thanks.
|> 
|> There are no amateur WC in Olympic years except in the track events that
|> aren't Olympic events like tandem sprints, motor paced, etc.
|> 
|> I believe the pro WC are in San Sabastian(sp?), Spain.
|> 
|> I don't know when but they're typically in September.
|> 
|> Paul Sery
|> Albuquerque, NM
|> 
|> 
|> 

-- 
the professional wc road race is this year in barcelona, 9:30, sun., 6/9.
the course is 21.8km loop, i think, 13 times. it climbs almost 400m in 7km,
then it' mostly downhill with a couple of steep bumps and a real fast decent
in the last 2km with a slightly uphill finish.

aaron
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:02:43 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul28.155125.8726@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>Maybe the outcome of this will be a little more driver education. I'm sick of
>cars who think they own the roads and it's their prerogative to crowd
>bicyclists into the curb.

"cars who think"?  Wow, didn't know they had these yet! :-)  Seriously,
ever stop to listen to yourself when talking about motorists and crashes?
I was amazed to notice one day that I was talking about cars having
accidents.  These weren't accidents, and the cars weren't driving themselves.
Better to say "motorists causing collisions".  We in the US have a
real tendency to forget (at least in our language) that there is a human
being in control of that vehicle, and supposedly responsible for the
actions of themselves and the vehicle they're controlling.

Hence, accidents instead of collisions, accidental death instead of
manslaughter or vehicular homocide, cars instead of motorists, 'get a 
ticket' instead of being caught breaking the law,  etc.

Interesting how motor double-think has crept into the language.

Ken
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Keywords: Sarcasm, wit
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:09:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I most certainly wouldn't come under the heading of LeMond
basher -- but I think that much too much is made of LeMond and
his effect on the sport.

He _did_ get large salary increases for the peloton and that was
positive. He is a great rider. But I certainly don't idolize him.

I was sort of hoping that Stephen Roche would do even better this
year. And my day was complete when the Hampster won the hardest
mountain stage in the world.
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:30:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul22.153003.3774
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 64074@hydra.gatech.EDU, ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:
>
> Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
>Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.

I've ordered from them several times and always had good luck.  They offer
overnight UPS for $2.85 extra (I think).  Nice for when you need it _now_.
They won't give you advice, though, so you had better know exactly what you
need.

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
From: deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Summary: They work fine
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:22:15 GMT
Reply-To: deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul20.183359.6385@cs.yale.edu> black-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Black) writes:
>
>There have recently been many negative comments about the
>use of mountain bikes for road touring.
> (stuff deleted)
>Are these things true, and do they doom the mountain bike for
>touring?  Are there other important factors?
>
> (more stuff deleted)
>I am curious about people's experiences.  Has anyone out there
>actually tried touring on an appropriately equipped mtn bike?

Hogwash.  Touring on a mtn bike is a dream.  I did a small ride covering
250 miles over two days (Chico, CA to San Jose CA) on my Mountain Goat.
Had a helluva time.  I went with 1.25" Specialized Fat-boy slicks.  That was
the only thing I changed on the entire bike.  All the arguements roadies make
against touring on a mtn bike are easily shot down.  

1.  rolling resistance almost nil with Fat-boys (or other slick)
2.  with bar-ends and/or clip-ons, had positions are infinite
    (if you really need to, put on drop-bars)
3.  lack of stability?  Gimme a break.  
4.  short chain-stays.  I found that the tighter wheel-base helped
    me climb the hills.  Also, my bike has somewhat more agressive angles
    than non-race type bikes.  The bike was somewhat twitchy during fast
    decents.  Roadies should be used to that. 

You wanna tour?  Take the mtn bike.  Leave the skinny tire at home and use it
to race.  For comfort, ADDED stability and durability, you can't beat an ATB
for touring. 

-- 


I don't need a .sig.
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Riding with a cold
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.124849.1246@bmers145.bnr.ca>, suescoop@bmerh72.BNR.CA (Jeromy Carriere) writes:
>
> 	I'd like to know what people think about riding while sick.
>
> 	I have a chest cold, and it's very difficult to ride with any intensity
> 	without having a coughing fit.  So, I have two questions:
>
> 		1) How much, if any, time do people take off with
> 			illnesses like this?

Ask Andy Hampsten!   :-)

  --scott

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