HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)
Subject: Re: Lies, D**n Lies, etc (Re: PSU is Overrated!)
Reply-To: rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:30:07 GMT

-> The interesting thing about this is that I don't believe Paterno would have 
-> ever won a championship if there had been a playoff. He did not have the 
-> best team in the country in either of years they won it. In either year, 
-> Oklahoma or Nebraska would have overpowered him.    By they way, I just 

When Penn State won the MNC in '82 it played and beat Nebraska. 
It would have beaten Oklahoma too, if I'm not mistaken those
were the down years for Switzer with Marcus Dupree giving him
a lot of head-aches.

BTW, that year the Penn State schedule included 7 bowl teams 
	Alabama under Bear Bryant (only loss of the year)
	Nebraska
	Boston College (with Doug Floutie)
	Pittsburgh (with Dan Marino)
	West Virginia
	Georgia (in the Sugar Bowl)
	Syracuse	

The '82 team was very good and would have fared very well in a play-off.
I agree with you on the '86 championship team though.

Rajiv
From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct9.075224.19670@wam.umd.edu>, mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary
Louise Cassidy) writes:
|> 
|> Big win over small teams..gee UVA seems to be the master of that!!
|> Your schedule is a damn cakewalk...it's too bad the bullshit polls
don't
|> factor this.  Ah well......keep on posing!!!
|> 

	Gee Mary, are you that bitter about our beating you this year ?  We'll
have to see if we can't send someone to hold your hand after Georgia
Tech beats you this weekend :)

	Don't worry about the overly optimistic UVa posters, if Clemson doesn't
shut them up, Florida State certainly will.  Still, we gotta dream.
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From: willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com (Royce Willmschen)
Subject: Re: ACC officiating (long)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:02:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: Honor, Dignity, Penalty?,  

In article <1992Oct7.154900.9707@makesys.com>, john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:

> I don't know if anyone took note of this at the start of the FSU/Miami
> game but the entire officiating crew was from the ACC. That said I made
> a few observations during the game that I would now like to share with
> anyone who cares about that game.
> 
> 1. On the opening kickoff, there were 2 Hurricane players that were
> illegally blocked from behind. Both were flagrant violations that the
> ACC officials chose not to see.
> ...

I may be a Pollyanna, but I find it hard to believe that these ACC officials
conspired to cheat against Miami.  The game was on national television, putting
a fairly large microscope on the officiating.  And while there may be 
conference biases among officials, I doubt that these officials could be THAT
biased.  Did Erickson complain?

Maybe Oliver Stone should make a movie about it.

-- 
Royce Willmschen                    
Data General Corp.			"Generic Quote"
willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Division III rankings
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:27:03 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.4.718484346.pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>Here is the first Division III poll:
>
>South:
>1) Washington & Jefferson (Va) (4-0)

By any chance, do you mean Washington and Lee? W&L is located in
Lexington (same town as VMI). I've never heard of a Washington and
Jefferson. 



-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: chyang@andalusian.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:47:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@andalusian.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct14.051125.14443@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
> In article <W_7-k#_@engin.umich.edu> chyang@langshan.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> >
> >
> >	That was the 2nd or 3rd game of the season.  How can you tell 
> >how good a teams is that early?  
> 
> Well, the same reasoning applies to Nebraska too.. how do you know they 
> *didn't* improve by the end of the season?

	That is the point!  They may have improved, but then again they
may not.  And to use that as a measureing factor is absolutely useless.

> 
> >	There has not been a team that dominate since the 1972 USC squad.
> >I think it will be a while before we see any team like the 91-92' Huskies
> >again.
> 
> Well, last years Miami is a better bet.

	72' USC squad was legendary.  Lets wait seveal years down the 
road and see which team people talk about the most.  Part of the success
of the 72 USC squad was that it produced some NFL legends.  We'll have 
to see how Etmman an Co do in the PROs.  If he is successful, the legend
lives on and people will remember Washington.  But if he or his team mates
sucks in the PRO.  who is going to remember the 91 Huskies years down the 
road???

> >	Just look at NFL and count how many PAC-10 players are drafted last
> >year and how many starting Quarterback (and back up) are from PAC-10 and 
> >you will get an idea how good PAC-10 is.  
> 
> NFL is different from college football.. many of the stars didn't even play
> div 1-A ( Eagle's Cunningham ?). Also, many players became good after being
> a pro for a while (Moon, Ripen). What does that got to do with the conference
> they played in?

	When arguing individual players. Yes you have a point.  But when 
arguing about the sheer number and the consistency of a conference putting out
quality pro players.  That has got to ring a bell in peoples mind.  
The number of quality players produced = quality conference.  The reason for 
the quality players is quality competition.  This is what catches people's 
eyes when this statistic pops up.

	On the other hand, why would the pro scouts look to take players 
from a sub-par conference?  They would go where they think they can get 
good players.  And many of them went looking in PAC-10 the past several 
years.   

> On the other hand, take a look at the # of NCs PAC 10 has won in the last
> 10 years. How many PAC 10 teams has won? Even big 8 has more NCs and
> probably more top 5 finishes.
> 
	
	That is very easy.  The answer is very few!  And it should be
because teams beat up on each other in tough conferences.  And as a result
when a team finished unbeaten in the PAC-10, people take notice.  

> 
> Njan

- Chung.
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Whining (Re: ACC officiating (long))
Keywords: Honor, Dignity, Penalty?,
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:03:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct8.150302.27406
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia


please spare us your whining shit!@ declare a forfiet?!@ OH PLEASE!

Im glad Erickson has more dignity and sportsmanship than you, you 
pathetic whiner. newsflash: YOU WON. STOP BITCHING.
From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS 34 ou 24
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:24:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin


Having endured the week of ridiculous hype preceding this game, I felt
obligated to watch it.  It was a great game, and one I'm sure the faithful
from both sides will be ceaselessly recounting.  Being a neutral fan, however,
I was more interested in the quality of play than the actual outcome.

I came away extremely impressed by John Mackovic's playcalling abilities.
Gardere had a good game, but honestly, the guy is just an avarage college
quarterback.  The ingenuity in playcalling kept the offense rolling.
Every time Oklahoma tried something different on defense, Texas had the
correct play called to take advantage of the change.  Very impressive.

Oklahoma, on the other hand, was predictable.  Sure, they passed a lot,
but it was still predictable.  Kind of like the wishbone of the air: they
let you know what's coming and dare you to stop it.  It's certainly more
effective than their all-ground game has been, but a little mix in the
playcalling (and misdirection, for crying out loud) would help them a lot.
Spoken like a true arm-chair quarterback, eh?

More interestingly, I suspect that this year, with UT's depleted defensive
front line, a ground based attack might have been very successful.  Gibbs
probably just figured that he'd be shot if he tried that again after the
flops of the last couple of years.


Anyway, UT has a keeper for a coach.  If Mr. Button-Downed-Shirt can
recruit in this good ole boy state, they're going to be awesome.




					Al
					alan@wraith.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:43:21 GMT

In article <Bvrq0H.n31@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>In article <BvrBxu.Lv5@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>>
>>The Uva band...what can you say about them???  They are simply a rag-tag band,
>>if you can call them that.  They have no taste, not to mention that they suck!
>
>UVa does not have a marching band. The Pep Band is not a marching band and
>is not designed to be one. The Pep Band is
>designed to be entertaining with their halftime and pre-game shows in
>which they rip apart not only the school we're playing but any other
>topic they can think of. The Pep Band used to be a lot funnier - they've
>instituted a review board which screens all of the jokes now. 

The UVa band used to get in a *lot* of trouble.  On one trip to Maryland
in the seventies, they based their show on the fact that the sitting and
previous several Lt Governors and Governors of Maryland (including Spiro 
agnew) had been indicted by Grand Juries. Even though the band had all their 
facts correct, some folks up that way got pretty steamed, and 
threatened never to let the band back in the *state.* 

I suspect that satire bands like Virginia's and Stanford's are much
easier to take when the associated team is lousy. Snotty humour 
seems funnier from backers of losing causes. 

>
>>They can't play or march, and they repeatedly play
>>Auld Lang Syne for some sort of fight song... boy, that's a crowd rouser!!!!!
>
>That's not Auld Lang Syne - it's the Good Old Song, the unofficial
>alma mater of U.Va.

The original poster clearly has no clue about the intent of this
kind of band. Here's a little clue: the tune of ALS/GOs is intended
to accompany drinking, not precision marching. 

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:21:42 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Oct12.225405.3248@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

| >When Miami played Arizona, they did not
| >look that good- a tie with Oregon St. for example.  Miami simply overlooked
| >them because FSU was coming up and Penn St. the week after.
| 
|   >Doug
| 
| How could they overlook a team from (drumroll, please) THE TOUGHEST CONFERENCE
| IN THE HISTORY OF ORGANIZED FOOTBALL? 

 Teams don't play conference,  they only play other teams.
From: fath1@husc11.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MAC preview for October 17, 1992
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:59:13 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Thank you for the coverage of the MAC!!!
Please keep us posted of interesting developments.


-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Arizona beats UCLA
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:56:00 GMT

In article <1anmm8INNgmk@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>
>The only teams which really threaten the Huskies chances are Stanford
>and Cal, and Washington plays both of those teams at home.
>
>William F. Tell
>UC Berkeley

I don't think the Huskies can overlook two very big games:

Arizona			3-2-1	(remember the Miami, UCLA games?)
Washington State	5-0	(Surprise team of the PAC-10)

These are both away games.
Interesting... there is a chance that the Apple Cup this year could
feature the 10-0 Cougars vs. the 10-0 Huskies.  As long as I'm talking
about WSU, why aren't they in the top 25 despite being one of only 6
unbeaten, untied division 1 teams?

-- 
Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
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From: holt@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Richard Holt)
Subject: Re: Big Game Tickets
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.020027.11769@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.015031.1489@morrow.stanford.edu> holt@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Richard Holt) writes:
>>I have two tickets to the Cal/Stanford game. These are
>>for the Stanford section (Sec. KK).
>>
>>I will trade these for two tickets on the Cal side.
>>
>>Richard Holt
>>
>
>  TRAITOR !!!
>
>
>========================================================
>| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
>| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
>========================================================

I am not a traitor, Mark, I am a grad student here at Stanford
but graduated in 1990 from CAL. 

Richard Holt

(If I were to become a Stanford fan, then I would be a traitor)
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:46:40 EDT
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State QB situation
Distribution: usa
 <1992Oct7.072251.19618@icf.hrb.com>

         There is absolutely no way Kerry Collins will play this week
      unless a small nuclear device is detonated over the Lions locker
      room.  John Sacca will definitely start, true frosh Wally Richardson
      will back him up, and (God forbid) they both go out, Joepa may put
      in Chip LaBarca before Collins.  By the way anybody know what happened
      to Matt "Say, nice bench we got here" Nardolillo?


      Go Lions!!!!!        Crush the 'Canes!!!!
-------
========================================================================
  Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
                                         1991 National League Champions!!

  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu

 "Who cares about grades? Who cares about life? Who cares about me?....
  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: schedules
Keywords: starting a pool
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 18:37:31 GMT


Ok, here's the deal. I am starting a football pool on a MUD and I need to have
the schedules for the rest of the year. What I need is a complete listing of
all of the ACC,SEC,Big-10,Pac-10,Big-8,Big East,WAC,SWC,Major Independants 
(ND, etc.), and any others I might have missed in IA. If someone has a 
complete listing of all these schedules and can e-mail them to me I would be
very greatful. My address is kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu. 

Thanks, 
Kevin.



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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:54:49 GMT

Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>The University of Virginia Pep Band is the most entertaining (if not the
>most talented) "marching" band.

Yeah, right.  You actually think that it takes talent to do what they do?  How
much 'talent' does it take to form a circle in the center of the field, march 
around the circle following the leader, play Auld Lang Syne, and call it the 
world's first CD on a fottball field.  If that's a 'talented' band, I'd hate to
see what an 'untalented' band would look like.  

>Anyone know how many "marching" bands have been asked not to return to
>opposing team stadiums?

Now THAT'S something to be proud of... NOT!



  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 			 	      			       Marching Illini 
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
				   --------------------------------------------
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Top Ten Opponents
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:42:35 GMT
Keywords: Opponents

Here are a few numbers based on the October 11 1992 AP Poll
	***** draw your own conclusions *****

------------------------------------------------------------
Rank       Name        Record       Opponent Record   Rank(a)
				     (this year)
------------------------------------------------------------
 1.	Washington	5-0		14- 9-1		4
 2.	Miami		5-0		19- 9-1	 	1
 3.	Michigan	4-0-1		11-14-1		5
 4.	Alabama		6-0		12-21		8
 5.	Texas A&M	5-0		11-18		7
 6.	Florida St.	5-1		21-12		2
 7.	Colorado	5-0		 9-19	       10
 8.	Stanford	5-1		20-12-1		3
 9.	Penn St.	5-1		11-22		9
10.	Georgia		5-1		11-17		6(b)


------------------------------------------------------------
Rank       Name        Record       Opponent Record   Rank(a)
				      (last year)
------------------------------------------------------------
 1.	Washington	5-0		57-66-1		9		
 2.	Miami		5-0		80-47-2		1	
 3.	Michigan	4-0-1		56-67-3	       10
 4.	Alabama		6-0		58-62-4		7	
 5.	Texas A&M	5-0		63-71-1		8	
 6.	Florida St.	5-1		73-52-3		2	
 7.	Colorado	5-0		60-60-5		5	
 8.	Stanford	5-1		75-62-1		3	
 9.	Penn St.	5-1		62-60-3		4	
10.	Georgia		5-1		56-57-2		6(b)	

(a) This rank is simply based on opponents win percentage.
(b) The Ga. Southern record was not in my paper
From: bml2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN MICHAEL LUCY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Biggest Rivalry(Lehigh - Lafayette)
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:51:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <!ctz=bm@rpi.edu>, blythes@cs.rpi.edu (Stephen Blythe) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu
(Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>|>
>|> What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>|> they as intense to both teams?
>|>
>
>just in case folks out there might be interested, the oldest rivalry in the
>country is Lehigh U. vs Lafayette Coll., currently two patriot league teams. I
>*believe* they are somewhere around the 200 game mark ....

 You're close, but this years game Nov 21 is something like #130.  You're
 absolutely right about the rivalry though.  Lafayette has been forced to
 change game time and install metal goalposts to prevent violence after
 what will be Lehigh's 500+ school win.
 - Brian @Lehigh
>

>-steve
>  ==================================================================
>  Stephen A. Blythe                |    RPI
>  Dept. of Computer Science        |  "where Hell is getting
>  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute |      colder ..."
>  blythes@cs.rpi.edu              |
>  ==================================================================
>
> My views do not necessarily reflect those of the bozos surrounding me.
>
>                               "NO MORE
>                              BU__ SH__"
>
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From: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Napolean Kaufman, was California - Washington game
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:23:25 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct9.225231.23531@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, Scottl@mot.com (Scott Lindsey) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.205649.9048@u.washington.edu>, tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
> > 

> Speaking of Napolean Kaufman, an anouncer stated a couple of weeks ago that this individual
> was the best broken field runner in the nation. He is a sophomore out of Lompoc High in CA where
> he broke all kinds of track and football records but has he done anything of significance at
> the college level to merit that kind of praise??? BTW, if you are from Lompoc, you can not
> be expected to reply objectively.

How about 208 yards and two TD vs. CAL?  That is pretty good.

- Chung Yang
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:44:15 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) wrote:
}
}What I would like to know is,  Why are the Referees paid by the conference
}and not the NCAA.
}
}This game has no value, unless the referee's are impartial.  

The NCAA?  Now there's an impartial organization for you!

With all due respect to your suggestion, Jason, I think I'd rather
have the Mafia or the Miami financial aid office in charge of the
refs than the NCAA.  

}If Notre Dame had their own referees that are paid by ND, would you trust
}them to be fair in a game.  Would you trust someone like Florida that has
}paid player, to control the game referees. Ok, how about Miami.

Your incessant whining about the refs for Miami-FSU is amusing.
Do you really suppose the ACC officials have developed any bias
towards Florida State?  On the contrary most of these guys live
in the Carolinas or Virginia and probably aren't particularly 
enjoying having a new kid on the block kicking the old familiar
teams around.  I don't see how they are supposed to have 
developed a bias of such magnitude in the *one month* FSU has
been competing in ACC football that they are trying to throw
games.

This is what the Blowhards are like when they have 2 close 
shaves - imagine the moaning when they actually lose one!

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
       "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
         swords is no basis for a system of government!"
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