From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: This News Group Surprises Me!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:15:09 +1100
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In article <1992Nov3.214331.18524@eng.ufl.edu>, jfl@mojave.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu) writes:
|> In article <1d5o0jINNog6@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>, jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Nov3.000918.7891@wuecl.wustl.edu>, esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
|> |> |> The Bristish never gave us any political freedom.
|> |> |> But they do gave us a hell lot of social freedom such as cultural preservation.
|> |> |> We can disscussed all these because we never creat threat for them.
|> |> |> They also gave the gangster and prostitutes a lot of freedom to do business.
|> |> |> >But, if you do care about your life style after 1997, do something about it
|> |> |> >yourself!
|> k|> |> the horse racing, the lottery... etc. 
|> |> |> Deng said all of these life style won't change for at least 50 years.
|> |>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> |> If you believe in that, you can believe in anything. Another 50 years? CCP hasn't
|> |> even last for 50 years. Deng doesn't appear to me to have another 10 years. 
|> |> Be realistic, what do most HK people want? I would say a politically safe and
|> |> economically prosperous place to live. For many, it is a place when they were
|> |> born, a place where their lives are based on. It is not because China regain
|> |> HK a problem, it is the CCP, which kills its own people, that takes over HK is
|> |> a problem. HK people do not mind to be part of China, but most would be scared
|> |> to death to be under CCP. However, there are people from mainland who treats
|> |> "party as country", they will never then understand the reason why HK people
|> |> would reject their party, since to them, it is equivalent to the motherland. 
|> |> Because of that, they showed hostilities. Most HK people are not against China, 
|> |> but for sure many against CCP.
|> 
|> I am not sure about what Deng agree on. It seem to me that He said "nothing
|> will be changed for 50 years". Since the Bristish never gave us political
|> freedom except social freedom such as the right to visit night club...etc.
|> It is very easy and happy for him to promise at that moment.
|> Every ruler in world would prefer HKese characters and willing to
|> keep them in the same old way.
|> The fact is that we are asking him to change to break his promise. 
|> Do you think he will appreciate these kind of change especially most of
|> us insist openly that we don't like him or his government?
|> Do you think he would agree to share the power with someone who always
|> enjoy to be his enemy?
|> Look! It is the same thing everywhere. For example, president Bush doesn't
|> like the US congress and the US congress doesn't like Bush.
|> Do you think Bush and the US congress can share power to help each other?
|> Why do you think it will be better to lean to the Bristish who just
|> use us as a chess?

So what do you think the CCP would treat HK people? King? Be realistic, do you
think they would treat HK people better than the British? Do you think the CCP
would give HK people more freedom than the British? Why do you think that so
many people are leaving HK because of 1997? Why do you think there is a 
confidence problem of HK regarding 1997? 

Sure the British wasn't good, but are you willing, for the sake of driving the
British away, to let the communists in?? It is an unbalanced situation.

|> |> Before the issue of 1997 came into being, HK people were not politically minded, 
|> |> they didn't need it. Was that "slave mentality", the fact is living in HK as a 
|> |> so-called "slave" is far better than materially than many other places in the 
|> |> world. HK people now want a more democratic government, because they now realized
|> |> that some basic freedmom that they have taken for granted are threatened. For
|> |> many HK poeple, these are real issues. It is not who rules HK is the major
|> |> question, it is who that can rule better is a question. Toward the issue of having
|> |> a prosperous HK, the British would have a much better chance to succeed in doing 
|> |> so than the CCP. Plainly, the British will do better than the CCP as far as
|> |> developing HK is concerned.
|> 
|> How much you did to make Chinese richer than before?
|> How much you did to protect Chinese when they suffer a external threat from
|> Japan, US(in Korea, 50), Soviet(Northern China, 60), Vietname(80)?
|> Did our "dear MASTER" help chinese to fight against invasion and robbery?
|> Unfortunately, our dear Master commited the same crime against us many years
|> ago and still now.
|> Before you claim a forign king is better than a chinese ruler, you
|> want to find out what is your constribution to your own land?
|> Before you claimed the life of a "slave" is better, please look at the life
|> of the "slave" during 20,30,50,60,70,80,90. 
|> HK will have a democratic government sooner or later.

Sooner or later? Before you and I die? I do not reincarnate, do you?

|> But I am tired of being the chess of Bristish. 
|> We, as HK chinese desire the respect of being a human, not a chess.

Is that your only justification of welcoming the CCP?

|> |> The judiciary system that has been established in HK is far better than that in
|> |> China. The people who now run the system have better qualities than those who
|> |> run China. The People's Congress is just a formality to approved things
|> |> with its rubber stamp. The media is a state-run propanganda machine. The 
|> |> judiciary system is bad, party goes over the top of the Constitution. Everything
|> |> is written for presentation. Corruptions among officals are everywhere. 
|> |> Anyone who is realistic would not put faith in such a system.
|> 
|> What the hell all of these has to do with HK?
|> Who care! These is not the system we are going to use!

Are you sure? You'd better check with Deng before he dies. You have too much
faith in CCP, haven't you?

|> Beside, it is the government which is corrupted in China.
|> But it is the special interest group which is corrupted in HK.

Without a more democratic government, the government and the interest groups
will both corrupt in HK? So what is your point?

|> Does Miss A, B, C and "one chicken one building" sound new to you.
|> How much effort our "dear master" spend on all these.
|> It doesn't bother you that more and more chillren become the gangsters.
|> It doesn't bother you that more and more teenage work in the "fish-ball market".
|> May be all of these doesn't bother you because you are not going to 
|> live in HK for the rest your life.
|> But all of these does bother me!!! 
|> To be honest with you! I don't trust the Bristish if they never concern
|> all of these!!!

You are really out of balance, you prefer to have a communist government than
to have a government which let you to have freedom. Just a question? Do you
belong to one of these "interest groups"? I can live with the present system
with a lot more peace in mind than with the CCP who kills it own people.

|> |> Finally, I would say that the suffering of Chinese people in the past and
|> |> present is largely due to Chinese themselves. It is easy for us to blame the
|> |> British, the Japanese, who had done harm to us decades or a hundered years ago.
|> |> China has the largest population in the world, but when it comes to running a
|> |> country successfully, it is not the quantities that counts, it is the quality of
|> |> the people.
|> 
|> I see! It is legal to rob people as soon as they are "low quality"!!!
|>        It is legal to slave those people as soon as they are "low quality"!!!
|> 
|> In the conculsion, It is legal to slave anyone as soon as they are "low quality".
|> 
|> P.S what so called "quality" in your eyes is only power! 

I just don't know how you could derive such conclusions, it is appalling to the
extreme.

Lin Can