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From: jhowatt@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (Jim Howatt)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: C language tutorials
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Dec16.110901.1875
Followup-To: comp.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: St. Cloud State Univ., MN

I've got a couple of students fluent in Modula-2 that need to come
up to speed in C very quickly. (No flames, please.  They're going
to use C regardless of any arguments against it).

Can anyone recommend self-paced tutorials (paper or programs).

Thanks in advance.

Dr. James W. (Jim) Howatt
Department of Computer Science
139 Engineering and Computing Center
St. Cloud State University
St. Cloud, MN 56301-4498
email: jhowatt@eeyore.StCloud.MSUS.edu
Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.misc,comp.software-eng
From: mcgregor@netcom.com (Scott Mcgregor)
Subject: Re: Programming language evaluation criteria
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:08:04 GMT


One little remembered TECHNICAL reason for selecting or rejecting a
programming language is how easy it is to make a coding mistake in the
language which you don't discover (this is in part related to how
forgiving the compiler is).  You can even break that down to a measure
of the probability of making a mistake and the probability of catching
it.  The cost of detecting defects, and of fixing them are both
relatively high, so languages which limit or prevent many defects, or
which ensure their recognition can be a business advantage. The above
could be a justification for languages like Prograph which make
impossible a whole set of syntactic errors.

One little remembered BUSINESS reason for selecting or rejecting a
programming language is the availability of trained  programmers in
that language, the cost and time of training an existing programmer in
that new language and the opportunity cost of doing the training
instead of using  a language they already knew. I think this accounts
for the continued use of COBOL and FORTRAN in many settings.

-- 

Scott L. McGregor		mcgregor@netcom.com
President			tel: 408-985-1824
Prescient Software, Inc.	fax: 408-985-1936
3494 Yuba Avenue
San Jose, CA 95117-2967

Prescient Software sells Merge Ahead, the tool for Merging Text or Code and
offers consulting  & training in project management and design for usability.
From: konrad@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Konrad Michalski)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: item bank
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:32:08 GMT



We are looking for an item bank which runs on UNIX, or VMS 
(if it's micro based we would also consider it).

We would appreciate if someone could give us contact information about
existing item banks.

The following are our requirements, but we are open to any suggestions.

Detailed requirements are available upon request.



The course outline includes the course ID, the full course name. In
addition, the course structure of units and sub-units or objectives is
specified.

Course outline input
	Interactive (prompted screen entry)
	Off-line creation (ASCII off-line editing format)

Course outline editing
	Interactive editing (prompted screen edit)

Course outline output
	Screen display
	Print

Item types
	Multiple choice
	True/False
	Fill in the blanks
	Matching
	Subjective (Essay)

Item contents
	Identification
	Graphics
	difficulty level
	Feedback (an explanation of the correct/wrong answer)
	Answer reference (reference of the course materials)

Item creation/editing

Item bank display/output (screen, print)

Assessment development and management (assessments are stored as
"profiles"). Profiles contain all information about the assessment except
the actual body of the items.

Test management (randomization, timing, navigation)

Record keeping and reporting

Item analysis

Documentation
Newsgroups: comp.edu
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Subject: Tax DEDUCTIONS for 1992
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:08:11 -0600
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        I am co-chairman of the "PTF Education Committee" (PTF is
Parent-Teacher-Fellowship) for a private, non-profit, Christian elementary/
middle school in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. We have two known-to-be-working Apples
and one IBM PC. We also have an Apple that I have not looked at yet. The
school's name is Isaac Newton Christian Academy. Money is tight, and
the roof needs repair, so usually fund raising tends to be directed towards
things other than computers. :-(

        We are, right now, working on establishing a "Computer Lab", and have
been talking about soliciting donations.

	We ask that if you have ANY Apple, Atari ST, Amiga or MS-DOS
hardware/ software items, partial systems, or complete systems, you
would SERIOUSLY consider donating these to our school. Even if it is an
item that needs repair, we'd be happy to accept it IF we know the
repair costs involved before it is
shipped to us.

	Even though we will appreciate any donation, here are some specific
	things we are looking for at this time:

		o  EGA graphics card/monitor for an IBM XT
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Newsgroups: comp.edu,misc.kids,sci.edu,misc.education,k12.ed.science
From: jacksonR@moravian.edu (Ron Ford Jackson)
Subject: elementary ed in comp sci?
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: elementary ed., computer science, teaching materials
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:58:46 EST


The son (12 years old) of a friend is very interested
in learning to "program."  He seems to be intelligent,
has a PC, and plays with basic.  (ok, ok,..  he's
12 years old :-).  well, he has expressed an interest
in a more structured approach to learning.  not just
everyday hacking.  his dad is willing to buy him a
course, or learning materials...  they have looked
at computer camps for kids; but, they all seem to be
courses for learning to use specific applications (i.e.,
WordPerfect)...  which is NOT what he wants to do..

Does anybody know of courses, tapes, materials, or
software for elementary education in computer science?

Please respond via email.

		thanks,

			Ron jackson


 Ron Jackson		  ~  "it is right before your eyes"
			  ~  "why do i not see it for myself?" 
 jacksonR@moravian.edu	  ~  "because you are thinking of yourself" - zen koan

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From: LMEBGO@kiera.ericsson.se (Bengt G{llmo, L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Telecom MSc programs
Date: 13 Dec 1992 17:59:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I would like to know what master's programs exist that address
telecommunications *broadly*, i.e. include courses not only in
telecom engineering, but also in related disciplines, like telecom 
management, computer science, business, public policy, etc.  I know 
of one such program, Carnegie Mellon's Information Networking program.  
IEEE Spectrum October 1991 hints that similar programs exist at
Polytechnic Inst of NY, U. of Colorado, U. of Pittsburgh, and George 
Washington University.  If you can provide information about these 
programs or others, or have e-mail addresses of suitable people to ask, 
please let me know, probably best by e-mail to lmebgo@kiera.ericsson.se

Bengt    
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SWEDEN

The bad thing about good things is that they usually come to an end.
The good thing about bad things is that they, also, usually come to an end.
From: kaplan@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Alan Kaplan)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Educational S/W For College Students
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:44:17 GMT
Reply-To: kaplan@zoo.cs.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

I am looking for information regarding software (Macintosh preferred)
that aids students with college-level subjects, such as Calculus,
English, etc. Any pointers would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Alan
--

                             Regards,

                             Alan 

                             kaplan@cs.umass.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.misc,comp.software-eng
Subject: Programming language evaluation criteria
From: jhowatt@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (Jim Howatt)
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:18:18 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: St. Cloud State Univ., MN

I'm teaching a comparative programming languages class next quarter using
Sebesta's second edition as the primary text.  In the first chapter he lists
several language selection/evaluation criteria; but the list "feels"
uncomfortably incomplete and subjective.  In view of the flame wars that we
often see among proponents of different languages, I'd like to present my
students with a set of reasonably objective criteria for selecting a 
language for a given task.

I've already been thru a half-dozen programming language texts and many
articles, but think that there must be more criteria to consider, especially 
from practitioners who've had to evaluate and select languages for real
projects.

I'd appreciate any insight and pointers to insight that you may have.

Thanks in advance for your help.  As always, if there's sufficient interest, 
I'll be more than happy to post a summary of responses.

Dr. James W. (Jim) Howatt
Department of Computer Science
139 Engineering and Computing Center
St. Cloud State University
St. Cloud, MN 56301-4498
email: jhowatt@eeyore.StCloud.MSUS.edu
Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.misc,comp.software-eng
From: michaelw@karl.cs.su.oz.au (Michael Wise)
Subject: Visualization Tool for Pascal Programs Sought
Expires: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 12:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: michaelw@cs.su.oz.au (Michael Wise)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:17:27 GMT

What is being sought is a X-windows based visualization/animation
tool for Pascal programs to run on our MIPS boxes (operating under
Sys V UNIX). The target audience for the tool would be our First
Year computer science students who are having great difficulties
seeing how to properly traverse an array (let alone how to
manipulate pointers). As I imagine it, there would be a box for
each variable and partitioned boxes for arrays/records. Students
would be able to step through their programs, watching the
values stored in the boxes changing. When they get to pointer
manipulation, memory from the heap would be a fresh box,
and pointers would be arrows to boxes. A procedure call
could perhaps be a new window.

Some tools doing similar things already exist, e.g. some time ago
I came across a rather simple minded Mac program for visualizing
pointer manipulation (it provided a small number of pointers,
as I recall it, p, q and r!). Pascal source level debuggers provide
only part of the answer for students in need of this level of
assistance (and in any case seem few and far between in the
UNIX world, a la MIPS).

Suggestions greatfully received. As my building will be shut from
Christmas for rewiring, could you mail suggestions to me directly
(they will be stored) rather than/as well as replying via news
(which may be deleted before I have a chance to read it).

Many Thanks
MichaelW

Michael J. Wise
Basser Department of Computer Science, F09
Sydney University, N.S.W. 2006
Australia

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Messages:	+61 2 692 3423
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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Clarification (5)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:30:37 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:41:44 -0500
From: MIKE <benedict@FOX.FCASD.EDU>
Subject: Clarification (5)
Message-id: <01GSEHDMVUQ88WXY6Q@ulkyvx.bitnet>
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

         Greetings all,

         I'd like to thank Susan of BREADNet for her taste in jokes.
         Do you know what you call a cow who just gave birth?
         Decaffinated.

         I would like to make one correction in Susan's description
         of my presentation.  I did not mean to say that e-mail would
         be giving us ease in administering and scoring tests.  I was
         trying to describe a program we are using called LMS/LMX
         distributed by Campus America. We are using this program to
         put our curricula on line.  We then are developing test
         questions of various levels of complexity tied into the
         objectives of any given lesson.  We can then generate
         criterion-referenced tests and teaching/learning modules
         geared to the objectives.  The test questions can be
         randomized we we could generate several different forms of a
         test.  Students will eventually be able to work through
         learning modules on-line, take a test on-line when they are
         through with thelearning modules and have their scores
         automatically put into a teacher's on-line grade book.

         I hope you all have a good semester/holiday break.

         Mike Benedict

                :-} benedict@chapel.fcasd.edu {-:

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: clam@huracan.cr (Carlos Lam)
Subject: Need help with F. de la Rochefoucauld research paper
Organization: Panama Canal College
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 07:09:30 CAM



I need information on Francois de la Rochefoucauld for a research
paper that I must complete for my English class. 
 
My paper will focus on the maxim, Rochefoucauld's tool for
getting his observations on human behavior across.
 
I appreciate any help you can give me. Please write to my
Internet E-Mail address: clam@huracan.cr  
 
Thanks. 
 
Carlos Lam
P.S. I am in Panama. Resources are limited here.

Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: So much CS,  so little time [LONG] (2) (*MBU*) (10)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:31:20 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:18:00 EST
From: Marcy Bauman <MLB14@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject: RE: RE: So much CS,  so little time [LONG] (2) (*MBU*) (10)
Message-id: <01GSE1VD6FEO8WXU8G@ulkyvx.bitnet>
Reply-to: "Megabyte University (Computers & Writing)" <MBU-L@TTUVM1.BITNET>

Jonathan,

What is "Mil-Std 2167/2167A"?

I think you're right; my experience in industry has shown that software is
rarely designed, and that it does indeed get written in a very haphazard, ad
hoc fashion.

It also seems that more often than not, producing documentation for software
(which was supposed to be on-line yesterday) rates very low on the priority
list.  It's a rare manager who understands either the need for good
documentation or the time it takes to produce it.


Marcy Bauman Penn State-Erie

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Appropriate discussion for me? (9)
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:16:00 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:47.28.87
From: Timothy L. Trimble <ttrimble@timinator.win.net>
Subject: Appropriate discussion for me? (9)
Message-id: <3@timinator.win.net>
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

After viewing a few of the discussions I was wondering if this is an
appropriate area for my involvement?  I am a freelance writer and a
fulltime programmer and software designer. I hope to have my freelancing
become my full time employment in the near future.  Most of my writing is
of a technical nature for various computer related magazines but I also
write a column for Computer Gaming World and I am working on my first book
for Microsoft Press.  I do not have a formal education in writing and aside
from proposals and project plans I do not do any technical writing in my
employment.  Can I gain anything from this discussion and also have
something to offer to the others?

Tim "The Timinator" Trimble
ttrimble@timinator.win.net


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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Relationship between CCD, MBU and comp.edu.composition (2)
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:32:02 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:25:46 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Dec11.202546.v7.043.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: Relationship between CCD, MBU and comp.edu.composition (2)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

This is in response to a query about the List-o-Lists description of C&CD
(woefully out of date), MBU and C&CD relations, and why there's so much
overlap.

C&CD began when there wasn't as much in the way of unmoderated groups on
Bitnet. Most were on usenet then. Digests were the preferred method for
many of the Bitnet nodes. Then there were about 20 of us in industry and
composition interested in computers in the class and in word-processor
design. There were few LANs at that time. After C&CD was created someone
from Berkeley contacted me wanting to port the Digest messages over to
usenet and comp.edu.composition was born. A year later at CCCC there was
little interest in Bitnet in the US, but a number of Canadian teachers
joined. About two years later Fred Kemp started MBU-L and subscribed me.
The Digest automatically included the MBU postings.  Eventually the MBU
volume became so large that I had to begin sending the Digest on a daily
basis (at least most days).

We still get some non-MBU material (probably enough for a bi-weekly
Digest), but my software automatically reflects that back to MBU and
comp.edu.composition, so it becomes MBU-L mail also. I think the two basic
groups C&CD and MBU-L serve the same community, but some people prefer to
read the messages coagulated together in one package while others want each
one separate. I still get a few people each month who drop one to move to
the other

The description of the list is difficult to change because the CCD list is
not a real list at all. We have no server site and although I moderate the
list, I do not even own the account it's on. Even the account name has
changed, so my attempts to get action on changing the description go
unanswered because to anyone reading a request from me it looks as though I
have no business requesting a change in the description. The original
description came from COMPOS01@ULKYVX03.BITNET; my current (borrowed)
account is R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU. It was set up in 1985. I haven't
even been able to get the guys at Berkeley to re-alias the
comp.edu.composition "reflector." Mail still goes through that list to
COMPOS01. I have no idea how it gets aliased to my borrowed account--but it
does.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The guerrilla lives among the people like the fish in the sea."
                                                              - Mao Zedong

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: So much CS,  so little time [LONG] (2) (*MBU*) (10)
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:06:45 GMT

Shalom, Marcy!

In article <1992Dec16.203120.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> you write:

>What is "Mil-Std 2167/2167A"?

DOD-STD-2167/2167A ("MIL" was incorrect) is the standard of the US
Department of Defense for System Software Development. While not
requiring a particular software design methodology, it makes some
broad assumptions about a contractor's development process.

Specifically, it assumes that development begins with the analysis
and definition of the software requirements, and then proceeds to
a high-level design phase, followed in turn by a detailed design
phase, a coding phase, an integration-and-test phase, and an
acceptance test phase.

Regardless of whether or not a software developer is contracting for
the US Department of Defense, using the framework of DOD-STD-2167/2167A
provides one of the best (if not *the* best) "insurance policies" for
successfully traversing the Product Life-Cycle.

Copies of the following US Government standards can be obtained
by writing to the:

	Naval Publications and Forms Center
	5801 Tabor Avenue
	Philadelphia, PA 19120

DOD-STD-2167, "Defense System Software Development"

DI-MCCR-80025, "Software Requirements Specification"

DI-CMAN-80008, "System/Segment Specification"

DI-MCCR-80012, "Software Top-Level Design Document"

DI-MCCR-80031, "Software Detailed Design Document"


Jonathan B. Horen
Sun System Administrator/Sr. Technical Writer
tel: (408) 736-3923 | email: horen@netcom.com
From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Joe Chew)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Appropriate discussion for me? (9)
Followup-To: comp.edu.composition
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:09:16 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.152

You might also try misc.writing, where there hangeth out a few
tech writers and journalists.

Random Usenet Rule #33:  Ask people whether a newsgroup is appropriate
for you, and they'll tell you whether it is appropriate for them.  :)

Joe
"Broken English is the official language of science"
                         -- Francois Kourilsky, CNRS
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition