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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:42:36 GMT


   
  I remember there being an annual game called the "Oyster Bowl" that was played every year in Virginia. I think it was played during the regular season between a I-AA team and a service academy. I might be wrong, perhaps the folks from
 Virginia would know more about it.  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Ack thfppt to the fat guy!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 23:41:30 GMT

In article <lJS=dhC@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
wrote:

> BTW, when I watched the Rose Bowl last year, one of the commentator (I think 
> he was Keith Jackson) said that Heisman Trophy winners in the past few years
> were not very lucky in the subsequent bowl games.  Specially, the team with the
> Heisman award winner used to lose in bowl game in that year.  He mentioned Ty 
> Detmer in 1990 and two other guys.  Interestingly, Michigan lost as well after
> Desmond Howard grabbed the award.

> Any more info. to confirm his claim?

Bo Jackson (1985), Tim Brown (1987) and Ty Detmer (1990) all lost big
to TAMU in their final bowl games [35-7, 35-10 and 65-14]. Detmer also 
got whooped up on by Hawaii in the final regular season game, and then 
started off on the wrong foot against FSU in the Pigskin Classic.

You mention Desmond (1991), and my list is missing 1986, 1988-1989.
What happened to those missing years? 

No, the Heismans don't seem to fare well after winning, even when/if
they make it to the pro's.

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:53:28 GMT

<LNF@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The obvious choice:
>
>   The Rocket   1990

PSUVM: the tradition continues.


--Gidi
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:59:47 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:

}I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
}net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
}far I have five and only one location, as follows:
}
}Bowl			Location
}----			--------
}California Raisin	Fresno CA
}Bluebonnet	        Houston, TX
}Tangerine 		??

This bowl still exists under the name Florida Citrus Bowl.

All-American		Birmingham, AL
[Originally called the Hall of Fame Classic]

The remaining defunct bowls and their results are reproduced
below:

Alamo Bowl, San Antonio, TX:	1-4-47		Hardin-Simmons 20, Denver 0
Aviation Bowl, Dayton, OH:	12-9-61		New Mexico 28, W. Michigan 12
Bicardi Bowl, Havana, Cuba:	1-1-37		Auburn 7, Villanova 7
Bluegrass Bowl, Louisville, KY:	12-13-58	Oklahoma St. 15, Florida St. 6
Camellia Bowl, Lafayette, LA:	12-30-48	Hardon-Simmons 48, Wich. St. 12
Cherry Bowl, Pontiac, MI:	12-22-84	Army 10, Michigan St. 6
				12-21-85	Maryland 35, Syracuse 18
Delta Bowl, Memphis, TN:	1-1-48		Ole Miss 13, TCU 9
				1-1-49		William & Mary 20, Okla. St. 0
Dixie Bowl, Birmingham, AL:	1-1-48		Arkansas 21, William & Mary 19
				1-1-49		Baylor 20, Wake Forest 7
Dixie Classic, Dallas, TX:	1-2-22		Texas A&M 22, Centre 14
				1-1-25		WV Wesleyan 9, SMU 7
				1-1-34		Arkansas 7, Centenary 7
Fort Worth (TX) Classic:	1-1-21		Centre 63, TCU 7
Garden State Bowl, E. Ruth, NJ:	12-16-78	Arizona St. 34, Rutgers 18
				12-15-79	Temple 28, Cal 17
				12-14-80	Houston 35, Navy 0
				12-13-81	Tennessee 28, Wisconsin 21
Gotham Bowl, NYC, NY:		12-9-61		Baylor 24, Utah St. 9
				12-15-62	Nebraska 36, Miami (FL) 34
Gr. Lakes Bowl, Cleveland, OH:	12-6-47		Kentucky 24, Villanova 14
Harbor Bowl, San Diego, CA:	1-1-47		New Mexico 13, Montana St. 13
				1-1-48		Hardon-Simmons 53, SD St. 0
				1-1-49		Villanova 27, Nevada 7
LA Christmas Festival, LA, CA:	12-25-24	Southern Cal 20, Missouri 7
Mercy Bowl, Los Angeles, CA:	11-23-61	Fresno St. 36, Bowling Green 6
Oil Bowl, Houston, TX:		1-1-46		Georgia 20, Tulsa 6
				1-1-47		Georgia Tech 41, St. Mary's 19
Pasadena Bowl, Pasadena, CA:	12-2-67		W. Texas St. 35, Cal St.-NR 13
(a.k.a. Junior Rose Bowl)	12-6-69		San Diego St. 28, Boston 7
				12-19-70	Louisville 24, Long Beach St 24
				12-18-71	Memphis St. 28, San Jose St 9
Presidential Cup, C. Park, MD:	12-9-50		Texas A&M 40, Georgia 20
Salad Bowl, Phoenix, AZ:	1-1-48		Nevada 13, N. Texas St. 6
				1-1-49		Drake 14, Arizona 13
				1-1-50		Xavier (OH) 33, Arizona St. 21
				1-1-51		Miami (OH) 34, Arizona St. 21
				1-1-52		Houston 26, Dayton 21
San Diego (CA) Xmas Classic:	12-26-21	Centre 38, Arizona 0
				12-25-22	W. Virginia 21, Gonzaga 13
Shrine Bowl, Little Rock, AK:	12-18-48	Hardin-Simmons 40, Ouachita 12

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

           "You're living in your own private Idaho."
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Still *more* trouble at the UW?
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:32:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec13.223219.2444
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec12.032847.29980@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>The evening news reported something about an illegal phone call operation
>that was set up at the UW.  It was reported during the sports segment, but
>they didn't say whether or not it was connected with the football program,
>and I didn't catch the whole story.  Does anyone over there have any more
>details?  Has anyone else even heard of this?  

Sigh.  Yes.  Apparently several players (including Darius Turner, starting
FB) have testified for the secret service (who is in charge of investigating
this sort of thing).  There really hasn't been much said, other than that
the investigation has been going on for about a year.  I don't know how
intimately this thing is connected to the football team, but there has been
precious little released so far, as the investigation is still ongoing.
More egg on our face....

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:53:25 GMT

In article MvL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt) writes:
>Face it everyone, the University of Notre Dame is the
>greatest college football institution on the PLANET!!
>No one has the history, the tradition, nor the
>excellence that the Fighting Irish have and that's
>final.  Most schools (like some in the state of FL)
>are jealous of ND's record and media hype.
>
>Notre Dame will kick Texas A&M's *** in the Cotton Bowl!
>Then we'll listen to the Aggies talk about how they
>should have played someone higher ranked than ND.
>Give Lou Holtz six weeks to prepare for a game and
>he'll come out a winner.
>
>Also Rick Mirer will get drafted light years ahead of
>that guy in Miami who won the Heisman!!
>
>
>Chris Brandt
>
>Flame all you want, but you know its true!
>
>e-mail:  brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>


If the woof gods are listening, they are certainly pissed now. Or is
Notre Dame "(the woof) god's team" as you arrogant Fighting Frenchman
so often believe. The Aggies will put up a good game and will probably
win.

Jeff Gracey
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes)
Subject: UNI loses....thanks to turnovers
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:42:28 GMT

UNI loses to Youngstown State at the UNI dome. 19-7
told you UNI folks the woofing gods are listening/watching....
*sigh* just one game short......Youngstown played a very good game but it 
was turnovers that really decided the game. 

YSU took the first punt return for a TD and continued to lead for the entire
game. UNI clearly miss Kenny Shedd(who should go pro, i think). The game was
televised on Public TV.  


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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Let the games begin!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:29:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.045322.255@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison) writes:
>May all this year's bowl games be as exciting as the Nevada-Bowling
>Green game!
 
   How about the Marshall-Youngstown State game !  Wow !
From: hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: questions
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:59:12 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tamu.edu


Can somebody tell me about different passing routes, i.e.,
crossing routes, etc. You know it's a lot easier to understand 
running plays, but I just don't know much about passing plays, 
especially WRs' different routs. I know there are maybe tens of 
different routes, you can tell me some basic ones.
Also, how many referees are there in a football game, what are their
names, positions in field, duties?
I am sure it will help me understand more about the games.
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bear and A&M       (was: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:00:50 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec11.215558.15586@b11.b11.ingr.com> jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>  Since you seem to have an explanation for the A&M turnaround, how do you
>explain those at Maryland, Kentucky, and Alabama (Bama won 3 games in 4 years
>before Coach Bryant); none of those programs were on probation and Bama was never
>investigated.  How do you explain only 1 losing season in 38 years?

Ok, here's why I think Bear Bryant won:

1. Maryland: ACC
2. Kentucky: He paid the players
3. A&M: He paid the players
4. Alabama: Mama helped him

- goober (it also helped that he was a hell of a coach in addition to
          a cheat) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:14:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.165325.7061@hou.amoco.com> zjsg12@hou.amoco.com writes:
>In article MvL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt) writes:
>>Face it everyone, the University of Notre Dame is the
>>greatest college football institution on the PLANET!!
>>No one has the history, the tradition, nor the
>>excellence that the Fighting Irish have and that's
>>final.  Most schools (like some in the state of FL)
>>are jealous of ND's record and media hype.
>>
>>Notre Dame will kick Texas A&M's *** in the Cotton Bowl!
>>Then we'll listen to the Aggies talk about how they
>>should have played someone higher ranked than ND.
>>Give Lou Holtz six weeks to prepare for a game and
>>he'll come out a winner.
>>
>>Also Rick Mirer will get drafted light years ahead of
>>that guy in Miami who won the Heisman!!
>>
>>
>>Chris Brandt
>>
>>Flame all you want, but you know its true!
>>
>>e-mail:  brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>>
>
>
>If the woof gods are listening, they are certainly pissed now. Or is
>Notre Dame "(the woof) god's team" as you arrogant Fighting Frenchman
>so often believe. The Aggies will put up a good game and will probably
>win.
>
>Jeff Gracey


Please, Aggies, do not take this guy's ranting as indicative of Notre Dame
fans in general.  He probably is not old enough to remember (or just is
blocking out) the Faust years, or the troucing of Jan. 1, 1988.  Most
Notre Dame fans have a very healthy respect for A&M, and even the 
optimistic ones are usually worried about a team of their calibre.

Are you sure he's not a mole who really roots for some other team, but
is trying to get the woof gods on A&M's side?



-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions.
 Well, we shall see." -- Cardinal Ximinez
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: USC should drop the ND series
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:00:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I don't know if this is too late or somebody has already posted similar stuff.
I just came back from Taiwan for a 3-week vacation and found out the Trojans
lost again to the Fighting Irish, for the new record of 10 in a row. 
 
I think it is about time for USC coaches and fans to seriously reconsider the
value of the USC-ND series. IMHO, this series has already costed USC too much:
USC has lost 10 in a row and being casted the image of "owned by ND". It costed
the USC at least 2 potential chances for the NC. And I believe it also costed
USC a lot recruiting opportunities (who want to go to a football team being owned
by another team?)
 
Dropping the series, even temporarily, can give the coaches, players, and fans
an opportunity to regroup themselves, relieve their mental burdens, and give
them a break to come back to the NC pursuit. Keep playing and trying to break
the losing streak may just kill the entire football team. I think at least the
Trojans should consider to change the series, if not dropping it, to something
like playing once every 2 or 3 years, not year after year. 
 
ND is such a team that it is too dangerous to keep them as yearly non-conference
rivarly. ND is the only team who has the overwhelming winning edge against USC.
Playing them every year is just stupid.

ND is not necessarily the best team in the nation. But USC just cannot beat them.
Penn State may be better than ND but USC did beat Penn State twice. So, even
replacing ND by Penn State doesn't weaken USC's schedule strength but I believe
it will relieve USC a lot. Yes, someone will call USC chicken if they drop the
series, but being a chicken is better than being humiliated year after year.
I believe many people will flame on me and they believe the streak will end
someday, but this "someday" hopes may just extend the streak to 11, 12, 13, or N
as well. When you cannot cross a barier you may want to think of bypassing it.
It is not a good choice but I don't see better alternatives. I'd rather see USC
end up 12-0 without playing ND than the other way.

Next year at South Bend, forget it, 11 in a row!! 

  ??    ??        ??????
  ??    ??       ??    ??
  ??    ??       ??               T. J. FAN, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
  ??    ?? ????? ??
  ??    ????   ????    ??         - A Trojan Fan (Used to be)
   ?????? ????    ??????          - and the ND hater (Probably no more)
             ????
          ??   ??
           ?????
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Still *more* trouble at the UW?
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:28:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

The evening news reported something about an illegal phone call operation
that was set up at the UW.  It was reported during the sports segment, but
they didn't say whether or not it was connected with the football program,
and I didn't catch the whole story.  Does anyone over there have any more
details?  Has anyone else even heard of this?  

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 quiz
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:02:13 GMT

conery@fullsail.cs.uoregon.edu (John Conery) writes:
>here is a Pac-10 geography quiz:
>
>(1) Without consulting an atlas, can you arrange the cities where the
>teams play their home games in order from North to South?  The
>cities, in alphabetical order, are:
>
>   Berkeley    Corvallis   Eugene    Los Angeles
>   Palo Alto   Pasadena    Pullman   Seattle
>   Phoenix     Tucson

     Why should we bother?  You don't even know
enough about the Pac-10 to know which ten cities
have schools in the league.

     Don't give a quiz unless you know enough about
the subject to effectively grade it.

--Ralph Kennedy,     {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
   Portland, Eugene,    {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
   heck, what's the                       ^---------------The Wrong Choice
   difference?               internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:11:36 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec17.171122.3224@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.072802.8398@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>>
>>Just one question (well maybe more ...)
>>Does anyone on the net know what happened to the good old
>>Tangerine Bowl? It just doesn't seem to be listed in the papers
>>anywhere!
>
>The old T-bowl is now the Citrus bowl. They changed the name years ago
>for some reason I can't remember.

The name change came about as a result of increased commercialization of the 
bowl games in general. The real name is the Florida Citrus Bowl.. so named 
because the Florida Citrus Growers Assoc. is the main sponsor. Get it? 

Are the babes still unbelievably fine at UCF by the way?!!
-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
Whenever the fates hear someone say, "It can't get any worse than this..." 
They just laugh and double your misery!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:16:13 EST
From: <JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HISTORY QUESTION: Penn State - S.U.

This will be the first meeting ever between Penn State and Stanford
in a bowl game.  It will be the fifth meeting between the Nittany Lions
and the Cardinals.  Penn State won all four of the previous encounters in
a four-game series from 1973-76.  The 1973 game was played at Stanford Stadium
with the other three in Penn State's Beaver Stadium.
Pac-10 opponents have been infrequent on Penn State schedules but the Nittany
Lions are 13-9 in 22 previous games against the conference.  The Lion record
includes a 4-0 mark against Stanford in a four game series.  Penn State's marks
against other Pac-10 foes: California 3-1, Oregon 2-1, Souther Cal 1-3,
UCLA 2-4 and Washington 1-0.  Penn State has played against Pac-10 opponents

in five postseason games and won four, most recently the 1983 Aloha Bowl
with Washington.  Penn State will play USC at Beaver Stadium next year and
the following year to conclude a four-game series.  Of course the Lions are
looking forward in playing in next years Rose Bowl game after winning their
first ever Big 10 championship.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com (Royce Willmschen)
Subject: Mating Dance (was Re: Sheridan Update)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:03:54 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <00964EE4.536D9940@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU>, mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:
> 
> 
> It's unbelievable how tabloid like the "mainstream" papers are getting.
> It sounds to me like the Atlanta Constitution took a gamble and lost.
> I found it odd that they got this story but the papers here in Raleigh
> never mentioned it. It's starting to look like maybe Sheridan is going
> to be in Raleigh for a while yet. Is Auburn serious about anyone else?
> Why is Sheridan the only one who seems to be spurring rumors at the
> moment? I thought Auburn wanted to settle this thing quickly.

Actually, there was a column in yesterday's Raleigh News and Observer saying
that this is the typical mating dance that colleges and coaches use when
coaching positions open up.  Only Sheridan and the Auburn AA really know what's
going on.  Both sides posture in order to save face in case of rejection by the
other.  All the newspapers are working on pure speculation.  

My guess is that nothing concrete will happen with Sheridan until after the
Gator Bowl.

-- 
Royce Willmschen                    
Data General Corp.			"Generic Quote"
willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com
919-248-5910	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 07:28:02 GMT


Just one question (well maybe more ...)
Does anyone on the net know what happened to the good old
Tangerine Bowl? It just doesn't seem to be listed in the papers
anywhere!
And I'm curious, exactly where was the old Bluebonnet Bowl played?
Please post a response if you know, as I'm sure I'm not the only one
who needs to know.




Oh, and how come Gino didn't change out of his game socks for the
award?  Because they looked quite stunning on national TV. They must be
his lucky socks, never taken off since that day as a teenager when he
told his mom he would one day win the Heisman. (About 20 years ago ...)

Unfortunately, that fashion error probably will keep him out of the
first couple of draft pick rounds.  Today's pro multi-millionaires must
look their best at all times. You'd never see Jim Kelly with white socks
under a suit!

-- 
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: School Nicknames with colors???
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:31:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.155545.7666@news.nd.edu> Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu> writes:
>
>I'm trying to find out any/all Division 1-A schools whose nickname
>includes a color.  My weak attempt at a partial list:
>
How about the Stanford Cardinal?  Cardinal is also a color of Red.
Add the Colorado Golden Buffaloes.  The nickname is shortened to
buffs or buffalos.

Dave
Go Big Red -- Beat FSU

-- 
Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093