From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly (perhaps grotesquely rotund, spheroid)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:11:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.173356.24284@utkux1.utk.edu> kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.180759.10380@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:

>>i'm tall, smart, and i do have big boobs. it doesn't make a difference. the
>>smart part scares 'em every time....

>This is something I don't understand.  It happens, and it's totally weird.
>I have this female friend who is very intelligent, who just got a Master's
>degree in an engineering field.  She's physically attractive, and not just
>bright, but when she tries to meet men, they seem to go out of their way 
>to ignore her.  


Gee, how can I meet this friend of yours?


>If she goes to a "meat market" no one will hit on her, even
>though that is sort of what she wants (maybe to build her self-confidence--
>I dunno). 

Oh, so she's actually interested in flirting with guys who have the
genes of Denny Tario, then.  No wonder that experience has been
unfulfilling.  Has she thought about raising her sights a little higher
than the "meat market"?  What kind of social barometer is that?  The
"market" has very little to do with reality, and a whole hell of a lot
to do with alcohol.


> How do guys spot her as a non-bimbo without even speaking to
>her, I dunno.  But it happens, and it makes her mad.  

Then I must be equally skewed for being interested in the "non-bimbo"
type.  I have to admit I'm having a hard time experiencing a lot of
sympathy here.  It almost sounds as though this person would like to
have the opportunity to be mis-identified as Ms. Bimbette.  That would
certainly get her foot in the door, but then what?  Talk about the
latest performance statistics of the Philadelphia Eagles?  

This reminds me of a time that I was in said meat market with an
extremely attractive friend.  I didn't get to talk to her much that
evening because she was too busy fending off potential mating partners.
At one point in the evening, Moose from the Archie series actually came
out and asked "so, will you sleep with me tonight?".  It didn't work,
but it made me wonder what planet I was on.  I must be really out of
touch with reality to think that there's something wrong with this
approach.  Guess I'm just not up to '90's social standards yet.


>Personally, I am attracted to intelligence.  In this Land O Barbie dolls
>that is a rare commodity.

It's almost beyond rare.  Closer to "precious".


>Rachel, the intelligence thing can work both ways....  Here in TN, I 
>get the feeling that if you aren't a "jock"-type guy, women will not be
>interested in you.   Brains is out.


I can understand this if you're very intelligent, but physically
repulsive.  However, in most cases it seems to be true.  I think I've
been unsuccessful recently due to my lack of a Gold's Gym membership
card and obligatory ear ring.

>  Money might be in as a pheromone
>to attract members of the opposite sex.  But it is more the appearance
>of money, rather than actual substance that is actually at work.  The
>typical TN male peacock will be dirt poor, but drive a 30,000 dollar,
>flaming orange, racing-striped, souped-up pickup truck with rollbars
>and oversized wheels, and live in a trailer or tar-paper shack, and
>he will attract more women than an engineer, or Ph.D., or M.D. or lawyer.  
>Flamboyance is in, substance is out.

Hey, that's not just TN you're describing there.  You might as well be
talking about this area.  Cool truck?  Great.  No job?  Even better.  No
prospects?  Let's get married.  Oh, wait.  I almost forgot the most
important criteria:  how many watts can your truck's subwoofer handle?

Typical personal in this area:  "must have 90210-style sideburns and a
nice truck".  I swear I'm not making this one up.


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