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From: gledbet@heartland.bradley.edu (Gene Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eurocentrism [was Three-Syllable Words]
Date: 20 Jul 1992 16:59:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: gledbet@heartland.bradley.edu



Austin, abroad:
>>> Hey! Watch where you're going, fuck face!

Ledbetter, at home abroad:
>> such greetings are so awfully democratic.

Huntbach, at home:
> What is democratic about this? Why is it that Americans
> often use the word "democratic" in contexts where it has
> nothing at all to do with the people having real power
> over government, which is what "democratic" actually
> means?

Point well taken.  In some quarters hereabouts, the 
liberally inclined (if not Maoist) use the word "democratic" 
to describe conditions that are in fact perversely 
egalitarian.  This is the egalitarianism of the French and 
Bolshevik revolutions, after all vestiges of aristocracy 
have been annihilated.  Having reduced society to the lowest 
cultural level, one is then free to greet one's fellows as 
Citizen, Comrade, or Fuck face.

--
And when all was peace and order   Much I wept because my warder
Save one planet nailed askew,      Would not let me set it true.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Derogatory fanny pack
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:52:47 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:


>Incidentally these bags seem to been worn by little dumpy American girls in front, not behind, suggesting that 'fanny pack' is indeed the more correct usage.

But does it have 'wings'?   :-)


Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: In re the Minister of Rumpo
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.125630.11995@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org () writes:

|>Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

|>In article <150ngvINNgla@early-bird.think.com> sandee@Think.COM (Daan
|>Sandee) writes:
|>>In article <1992Jul27.103214.7761@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org () writes:

|>>Always glad to pick a nit ... In Elvish, "friend" is "mellon", not "mellor".
|>>And before somebody else comes up with a similar story, the gamekeeper in
|>>"Lady Chatterley's Lover", who has figured in these pages before, is
|>"Mellors."
|>>Mellor was the chap who wrote a standard text on Inorganic
|>Chemistry.
|>
|>	I don't have the references with me but I think you'll
|>	find that "Mellon" is actually Elvish for "friend of Carnegie"
|>	(substantive creep case).  The standard text on inorganic was
|>	written by Cotton & Wilkinson (before you object, check the
|>	organization line).

Could this be a quick chance at a plug by any chance? I suppose you
don't get the chance to do it on Wogan like everyone else, would be
rather unusual:

Terry (for it is he): And now my next guest is an avid writter on the
subject of Inorganic Chemistry.

(Skip the intros, -ed)

Prof: I have always been interested in Inorganic Chemistry since I was a
small child. I remember looking at a tube of copper sulphate and
wondering, I wonder what the enthalpy... (thats enough chemistry - ed)


Phill
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:46:15 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Jul28.124514.14930@cs.hw.ac.uk> nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor) writes:
>
>Anybody got any more? We must be called the UK in something!

We used to be called the UK ( or Royaume Uni) in Jeux Sans Frontieres!

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:14:53 GMT
Organization: Channel Light Vessel Automatic

(   There is only one GB team in cricket.  It's called England,

 ) No it isn't, it's called the Marleybone Cricket Club (MCC).
(  	   Alec.

It's England (or indeed england) when it plays at home; the tours are by MCC.

	Smart Alec.
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From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:06:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent1.sooz.711929216
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV

In <rhaller-230792084447@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:

>In article <sooz.711863381@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F
>Bradley) wrote:
>> 
>>    I don't know whether or not Ms. Johnson knew that "school" did not mean uni-
>> versity in the UK, but perhaps British readers of this net should know that it
>> is also quite common and often obligatory for high school students in the US to
>> hold part-time jobs
>> 
>> Susan Bradley 

>That's news to me. It is definitely common, but it isn't 'often obligatory'
>in high school.

>Where it's often 'obligatory' is at university or college where a job is
>part of the financial aid package. Most people who attend private schools
>(US) these days can't afford to pay the basic costs (much higher tuition
>compared to a public school in your own state) without financial aid. A
>typical package includes a grant (scholarship), a work study job, a student
>loan, a suggested family contribution, and a suggested personal
>contribution, which usually includes projected earnings from a summer job
>as well.  All of these add up to the total projected cost for a year of
>school including books and travel to/from home.

>Of course, the university just wants you to pay your bills, so if you
>manage to do so without working, they don't care.

>That said, there was  (and may still be) a least one college that
>_required_ students to work, for philosophical/pedogogical reasons rather
>than financial. As I recall, students worked full time and went to school
>full time during alternate terms. This required cooperation of several
>businesses corporations who agreed to provide appropriate jobs on these
>terms.  I suppose their may be some high schools with a similar
>arrangement, but it is not common.

>-Rich Haller


Okay, Okay! I'm terribly sorry. I misused the word "obligatory."  What I meant
was that many American kids _have_ to work while they are in high school - 
either for financial reasons or simply because parents think it will be one of
those ever popular "character-building experiences."  I realized about one 
nanosecond after I'd done the posting that I should have worded it differently.

Can you ever forgive me?

Sooz 

*Please, Don Muench - believe that I meant no ill feelings to you and that I
 did understand your comment about accents*
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truth with a capital T
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:14:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
>In article <1992Jul10.082726.2357@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew >Huntbach) writes:
>> From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
>>>I do wonder about this "God became Man and....founded the Catholic Church"
>>>bit though.
>>
>> You should indeed, because standard Anglican theology agrees
>> entirely with the Roman Catholics about the foundation of the
>> Church, and sees the Church of England as the English branch of
>> the universal Catholic Church. It just disagrees about the
>> little local difficulties in the sixteenth century (as "1066
>> and All That" puts it, when the Roman Catholics broke away from
>> the Anglican Church).
>>
>I know that, but does the poster I was replying to? You see, up there in the
>first line of the second paragraph is a quote from him (her?) that seems to
>suggest he thinks that Jesus himself founded the Church. I, for one,
>find that a very strange statement, and I would put money, if I were a
>betting man, on "official" theology thinking the same.

Well, you would lose. Official Catholic theology states
precisely that Christ founded the Catholic Church. It is very
clear from the Gospels that an organisation was set up, headed
by the Twelve Apostles, and commanded to do various tasks by
Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church is seen as the direct
descendant of this organisation. Roman Catholics go further
and see Peter, who was clearly the chief spokesperson for
the group, as the first Pope.

As for the case of the Anglican Church being part of the
universal Catholic Church, I refer you to the article by John
Selwyn Gummer in this week's "Spectator" where he is arguing on
precisely these grounds.

It is an indication of how the Fundamentalists have got hold
of Christianity and twisted it about to fit their position that
these orthodox beliefs are so little known, and many go under
the illusion that the Bible is the foundation of the Christian
Church rather than the other way round.

Matthew Huntbach
From: heavy@z.eecs.umich.edu (Richard Scott Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Internships in Britain
Summary: I want to find one...
Keywords: Britain, Intern
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:24:01 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

I don't know if this is the proper place to post this message,
but I am greatly interested in spending next summer in Britain
and I was wondering if anyone knew of or could direct me to
possible internships.  I am a graduate Computer Engineer hoping
for work in this area, but anything would be considered.  I want
this experience before I have to get a REAL job...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Richard Hall

-- 
            Richard Hall - University of Colorado at Boulder

                "Life's like holding water in your hands,
                 No grip is tight enough to keep it in." - me


-- 

Standard disclaimer:  I am not me, I am who you think you are...
                      so don't blame me.
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:19:07 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Jul27.205832.18009@macc.wisc.edu> dsals@vms.macc.wisc.edu (David Sals) writes:
>
>>Hell we are now getting products with bad American spelling like
>>the new 'Ariel Color'. I think Proctor and Gamble (the makers)
>>are being a little crass using the same packaging. I'm sure
>>the American public would pass comment if Uk products had the
>>proper UK spelling on it for sale there.
>> 
>>Neil
>
>As opposed to the "improper" UK spelling?  Or are you trying to say 
>that the UK spelling is the only proper way, whether you are British
>or not?  I hope not.  If it makes you feel any better, British 
>spelling is used here to emphasize "high class."  I suppose that was 

No, no, no.

Bad spelling (compared to the accepted national way) being promoted as
the normal is what I object to.

If you were at school and in an essay you wrote "I use Ariel Colour", I
would say you get a mark off for bad spelling, IN THE USA.

You keep your spelling, and we'll have ours.

Or should we all speak/write American English.

Neil
From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truth with a capital T
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:32:43 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <92205.141605RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.141015.21412@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew
>Huntbach) says:
>>
>>"1066 and All That" ends with a sad little note that since World War I,
>>America had become Top Nation and History had come to a.
>
>Come to a period? That's how this thread got started again!
>Lurkers who don't speak the same language as the rest of us.
>
Confused are we? That's probably because Matthew omitted the space between the
indefinite article (a) and the full stop (.).

Tim

"Will you all please SHUT UP" - G. Bush.


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From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:06:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <l6gtc0INNl0e@news.bbn.com> saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin) writes:
>rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>
>I used to have problems when first in the States.  I used to say
>(without thinking about it) "sorry" when people bumped into me
>(e.g. when somebody is walking and gabbing to a friend/taking in
>the sights).  I have now replaced this reaction with the US
>traditional
>
>	Hey! Watch where you're going, fuck face!
>

I think you probably mean East Coast US traditional. Here in California, one
is much more likely to hear: "Oh excuse me, I didn't see you, are you OK?, HAve
a nice day!"


Jim Munro


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: lowry@arco.com (Phil Lowry)
Subject: BBC TV world service
Organization: ARCO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:25:22 GMT

Is it possible to pick up the BBC World Service TV Broadcast in the US?

If so does anyone know what satelitte and bands it is on?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:55:04 EDT
From: jeremy <ELE@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
 <4874@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>

In article <4874@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU
(Tim Streater) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul27.160434.10173@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil
>Postlethwaite) writes:
>>Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
>>had really gotten out of hand.
>            ~~~~~~
>              |
>              |
> +------------+
> |
>Yers, well, that's an example of an Americanism right there (and there went
>another!). Fellow should be drummed out.
>
>Tim.

False.  "Gotten" is a perfectly ordinary English (ie, from England) word.
We here in Blighty *used* to use it, it went to the US and stayed, meanwhile
it died out over here (although is survived in words like "forgotten").



--
jeremy..
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Biggles Books
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:29:00 GMT

Before the War we lived in Wimbledon, just off the Common. Round the
corner, on Ridgway, was a Lending Library. Not the Public Library, which 
was down the Hill, but a small, private lending library. Tuppence per
volume per week if I remember right. The only two authors I can remember
getting out were Capt. W.E.Johns and Leslie Charteris. Biggles and The
Saint. The only other detective stuff was the Sexton Blake series. Almost
short stories, they were thin, paper things that I bought at the Newsagent
for, maybe, threepence? I am fairly sure that thew Sexton Blakes were 
written by a variety of authors. One attraction of Sexton Blake was that
he had a boy side-kick. Anyone remember his name?

							Fido

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Go suck a soldier! (was Re: marmite)
Supersedes: <prevert@vadier.gr.osf.org>
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:31:36 GMT

mckeonj@ul.ie writes:
>I think we may have invented a new insult:
>"Oh, go suck a soldier!"
>which would have different connotations on each side of the ocean,
>but be equally insulting.

In fact I don't find either of the possible meanings insulting, but
perhaps that is just me.

,
Eamonn
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10747 rec.games.empire:2341 alt.war:1584
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:13:31 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <NIGEL.92Jul27133549@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>, by nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov:
> In article <1992Jul24.050033.18743@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
>    |>Good thing we got our asses kicked?  Maybe...we've learned a lot of
>    |>lessons from that war and the Gulf conflict proved it.
 
>    What like how to aim rockets?

> Yes...and I suppose that there is some "sin" in using techno-wizardy
> in warfare? 

Exactly.  It is a sin, in military terms, if you place too much
reliance on it and then lose, i.e., you get punished for it.

Btw, you are evading his point, namely that the Gulf War tells nothing
on how the US military would go about a guerilla war in not-so-perfect
terrain nowadays.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: New banknotes
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:05:52 GMT

In article <5377@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>, zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
|> 
|> American artist living in London who speciallised in drawing pictures of 
|> banknotes using crayon.

|> Eventually this came to the
|> attention of the Bank of England who were not pleased and had him charged
|> with attempting to pass forged notes.

Designs such as banknotes would be copyright whether or not this is explicitly stated.  The Bank of England could have prosecuted on these grounds.  As the notes were accepted as 'works of art' and not as 'real money' the charge brought was the wrong one - looks like the Bank of England were wasting public money.

|> The trial was widely reported but eventually the charges were dismissed as 
|> nobody could find anything of which he was guilty.

What does the Bank of England/Scotland etc. gain out of issuing banknotes ?  It
seems like a con to me, I persuade a group of people to use a worthless chitty with no real assets backing it, which represents goods and services provided by them, hmmmm sounds like I'm getting a huge interest free loan here.  Imagine if the plumber called and I gave him an IOU which I said all the local shops would accept on the basis that if asked I would exchange it for.... another IOU.

David.
From: istewart@datlog.co.uk (Ian Stewartson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Roundabouts (was St Albans)
Date: 20 Jul 92 12:21:35 GMT
Organization: Data Logic Limited

gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:

>In article <6767@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> limey@hri.com writes:
>>
>>Anne has obviously never survived the Fresh Pond Parkway roundabouts in
>>Cambridge, Massachusetts. Even with a bloody great sign saying "yield to
>>vehicles on the rotary", people seem to think it's their God-given right
>>to barge onto it, cutting off traffic going around the circles.

>When I was in Germany I noticed that the roundabout rule appears to be
>the opposite of the British rule, namely that traffic coming *onto*
>the roundabout has priority.  (I don't drive, so this is of purely
>intellectual interest for me!)  Is this general throughout continental
>Europe?  It struck me that it must be doubly complicated for drivers
>to switch between "drive on the left, give way to traffic on the
>right" (the British rule), and "drive on the right, give way to
>traffic on the right" (the German rule).

Having just spent 16 months in Belgium, this is the rule in Belgium, except
that 'give way to the right' applies at all road junctions unless otherwise
stated by roadsigns (and even then, you have to watch it).  We came to the
conclusion that the only rule in Belgium was 'there are no rules' - hardly
surprising that the number of fatal accidents in Beglium per car mile (or
kilometre) is about 5 times that in the UK (from what I remember of a EEC
report quoted in the English Language weekly mag there).

From this report, the UK appeared to have the lowest fatal accident rate for
major countries in Europe.  One quote I remember relates to a senio UK
police officer at a conference in France, when asked "Why he thought the
French had so many accidents", replied 'Because, you all right on the wrong
side of the road".

Regards,

Ian Stewartson
Data Logic Ltd, Queens House, Greenhill Way, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 1YR, UK.
(Phone) +44 81 863 0383 (Telex) 888103 (Fax) +44 81 861 2010
(Network) istewart@datlog.co.uk or ukc!datlog!istewart
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Gallows
Date: 22 Jul 1992 22:17:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Phill H.-B.:

> What about hermaphrodites, where do they fit in?

Ouf ! Now why didn't I think of that?  Death to my brilliant 
idea.

Speaking of hermaphrodites, and seeing that H.-B.'s in the 
britische Zone or thereabouts, here's some local vocabulary 
that might enliven his conversation.  I found myself 
sitting next a German and struck up a conversation to 
demonstrate my mastery of his language.  I mentioned a 
portrait of Kaiser Wilhelm II that a friend had recently 
studied (exciting stuff).  I'm strong on cardinal numbers, 
but not as good on ordinals.  I reasoned that drei/dritte must = 
zwei/zwitte and proudly announced Kaiser Wilhelm der Zwitte.  
The fellow never stopped laughing.  Damned rude.

L e d b e t t e r.
From: saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:20:14 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:

->..you don't need to pay more than 450 to get something of professional
->quality.

Particularly in Cambridge, unless you are singularly keen on wealth
redistribution.

	Steve Austin
From: gene_ledbetter@internetqm.llnl.gov (Gene Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: The Gallows [was Cambridge
Date: 22 Jul 1992 12:32:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

         Regarding:               The Gallows [was Cambridge bike]_
              
Someone had the gall to write:

>> ... and I would like to think that even in the most
>> casual of situations a true devotee of British culture
>> can make the effort to get THEIR English grammar correct.

Hang him or her by his or her silly neck!

Someone defended with:

> HIS would be grammatically correct; THEIR is merely
> politically correct.

The shift in number is abominable, and therefore its use is 
growing rapidly.

At the very least:

 ... and I would like to think that even in the most
 casual of situations true DEVOTEES of British culture
 can make the effort to get THEIR English grammar correct.

I used to have a book (burned the damned thing) by two 
feminist writers who invariably wrote she/her/hers.  Well, 
the blasted feminists caused the fuss and they should have 
offered a decent solution but they didn't because all they 
want to do is cause trouble.  It must be admitted that the 
French, who seem to have a firm grip on gender and its 
proper uses, don't need to know the subject's gender because 
they refer to the object's gender.  (A true devotee of 
British culture can make the effort to get ITS English 
grammar correct.)

Unless someone comes up with something better (like using 
he/his/him all the time), I would be willing to follow the 
example of the two incinerated feminists.  Let the gender of 
the object reflect the gender of the writer.