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From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Ty Bower)
Subject: Re: Paradigm speaker comparisons
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:56:46 GMT

[Gentle corrections to follow...]

>The passive radiator in the 9se adds a bit more bass. Sonically there
>isn't that big a diff between the 7 and 9. 

There is no passive radiator in any Paradigm loudspeakers.  The 9se
use a single 1 inch tweeter and two 8 inch bass/mid units.  Both bass
drivers are powered and active.  Sonically, I think there is an  
easily discernable difference between the 9se and the 7se.  

>series. The Export monitor is a 2 way speaker, the 11s are floor standing
>3-ways. Again I personally prefer the Export Monitor to the 11se.

You are thinking of the Studio Monitors (~$1800).  They are 3-ways.
The 11seMkII that I have sitting on the floor behind me are definitely
two-way design.

>Whichever speaker you get, make sure you get stands and heavy gauge wire.

Good advice.  ('Cept for the 11se, and the Studio Monitor.  They are
already tall enough, and don't require stands.)

 
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:06:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Surge Protector/Line Conditioner: Panamax Max 1000
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

You can get about the same thing from a computer supermarket for $15.
Look for a power strip with both surge and emi supression.  You can do
the sequencing thing yourself unless you really want to switch everything
on at once and don't mind reaching back to the power strip.  Some of the
strips for >$100 isolate the grounds so you can add teflon screws to the
metal $15 strips for the same effect.  

Did this with my system that had a small ground hum problem that was
bothering me.  Now I can turn my amp up to 3:00 (with a test tone CD at
-60 db) and hear no hum (there is significant noise from the CD or the
player - not sure yet).

Kirk out
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From: strassbm@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: RE: MUSIC of THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:09:50 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <C1GqEJ.3pp@world.std.com>, DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan25.192632.3325@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>>
>>>     The "ECKANKAR" Organization, referred to in the following article, has
>>>been producing some of the MOST BEAUTIFUL MUSIC that I have ever heard!  This
>>>includes the audio cassette tape albums "Songs of the Golden Heart", "Dance of
>>>the HU", and "Come Share the Dream".
>>>                             THE DIVINE MASTERS       
>>
>><lots of inane banter deleted, having nothing whatsoever to do with audio>
>>
>>>                                           Robert E. McElwaine
>>>                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar
>                                              ^^^
>                                              And, we do hope, the last.
> 
> Oh, by the way, he posted this same article to at least one other
> newsgroup (sci.astro) under a completely different heading. Be prepared
> for a dramatic decrease in the net signal to noise ratio
> 
> -- 
> |                Dick Pierce                |
> |    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |
> | 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |
> |       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |


   Bob McElwaine attends the same school that I do.  He's been taking one
class per semester here in order to justify his otherwise meaningless
existence.  He used to post all this bulls**t that he writes to our local
notes conference...until we got our news feed.  We apologize for unleashing
him upon you and we're looking for a way to control him (perhaps with
Russian mind-control lasers mounted on those nifty cosmospheres... :-) ).
 
Oh, and to bring this back to something audio...anyone have an opinion
on the Optimus DCC deck?
 
                                 Brian M. Strassman
                                 strassbm@cnsvax.uwec.edu

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From: slr3e@Virginia.EDU ("Stacy Lee Roach")
Subject: Speaker Stands? 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:52:50 GMT

I have a pair of floorstanding speakers that do not require
speaker stands.(NHT 1.8's) I was recently told however that if
they were placed on small speaker stands they would sound even
better.  I was told they would have a more open sound to them.
What would speaker stands do for the sound of my speakers and
are they necessary?
					SLR3e@Virginia.edu
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From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
Subject: Re: Audio ...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:42:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.235538.14015@borland.com> dominic@borland.com (Dominic Yip) writes:
>
>If you guys really think CD is better, why are the price of CD player
>comming down while good turntable system keep going up.
>
It's what called "charging what the market will bear." Also, getting more
cd players out in the world means that more people will be buying more CDs.
Take for example, a small, humble CD player manufacturer like Sony, who
also just happens to own a CD company (Columbia). Or Phillips, and so on.

Very little vinyl is being manufactured anymore (by comparison), so
there's little economic interest in it.

A turntable system sells for $25K because it can. No matter whether the
materials, engineering and labor that go into it make it intrinsically
worth that price or not, it will sell for $25K simply because some guy who
may or may not be a nutcase is willing to spend the money.

Please note: this is an economic discussion, not a technological or
perceptual or musical discussion.

-- 
|                Dick Pierce                |
|    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |
| 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |
|       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: thumper@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jeff Swarm)
Subject: RE: Advice on bookshelf speakers 
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:32:09 GMT


	Haven't heard the NHT, but people say it is good.  I own a pair of 
Advent Babys, which are just a bit smaller than the Graduate, and are nice,
but they leave you wanting more.  Just last night I listened to a pair of
Paradigm Phantoms at a local Hi-Fi shop.  DEFINITELY audition these bad boys.
I think they run a little under $300, and they are VERY good speakers.  With
or without the sub, the Phantoms will do the trick on anything from Mahler to 
Ministry.
	You might also want to look up a Boston Acoustics dealer and listen
to some of their smaller models.  They aren't as precise as the Paradigms, but 
they still sound wonderful.  I think the model numbers are HD-5, HD-7, etc.  I
could be wrong on that.  You might also want to listen to Infinity SM-82s.
They have strong upper bass, and are very efficient.  They are 'rock'n'roll'
speakers, and may not do well for classical, but they are very nice with 100db
of Van Halen!  Those should run you about $400, as they are a bit expensive.
	Godd luck hunting, and don't buy Bose!  :)
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From: ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2751 P7091)
Subject: Bose BULLSHIT
Reply-To: ep502ca@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:23:28 GMT

Enough already!  I'm sure I'm safe in assuming that most of us out
here have heard about all we want about the Bose issue.  If you have
comments concerning stereo equiptment let's hear it.  I could really
care less about what you think about Bose equiptment, marketing, the
man...

Bottom line, if you're interested in a pair of speakers listen to them.
If they sound good to YOU then buy them.  Buying speakers based upon
what someone says or thinks they hear is stupid.  So go out and listen
for yourself and keep your inmature comments to yourself.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Turntable/cartridge reccomendations wanted
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:41:30 GMT
Organization: BNR Ltd.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:32:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.190117.4022@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Shiv Naimpally, shiv@bnr.ca
writes:
>that analog does sound so great, can anyone make some reccomendations
>for a good turntable/cartridge combo that is reasonably priced ?

For under $1000, you can either go new or used;  you'll generally get
a much better deal going used, as there are still a lot of folks
out there replacing their LP collections with CD. I'd caution against
buying a used cartridge as you never know just how old it is.

I see your from Ottawa!!  Hey, I just spent 3 months looking for used
a used turntable around here!  I eventually picked up a Sota Saphire with a 
Syrinx PU2 Gold, but it ran $1250, a little more expensive than you
were looking for.   Actually, it'll be impossible to find a used Saphire or
used VPI Mk III (+ good arm) for under $1000 (I tried!).  But there are other
very good options:

Euphonics on Bank street carries used turntables still, and they give
discounts to BNR employess (the owner works at Carling!).  If you see
a used Rega planar III in good shape, you should get a really
good deal.  This is a decent table, especially with the RB300 arm.
Actually, I'd put that arm on almost any table.  For the
price, it's really hard to beat!   The best price in the city on
a new one is at Distinctive Audio (around $350).  Riel (the owner)
also had a used VPI junior, also a real good table, for a very
reasonable price;  Check it out!

A friend of mine bought a new Revolver turntable with an RB300:
the sound was excellent considering the low cost of the deck.

On to inexpensive cartridges:

Between myself and my brother, we must have purchased at least
8 or 9 different moving magnet cartridges in the last 5 years.

We both found the absolute best buy, hands down, was, beleive it or
not, the Stanton 881(MkIIS, I think).  This is very smooth
and neutral and a great tracker (greta dynamic control).  It'll treat your
albums well due to its line contact stylus.  The best price I found was
$100 US via mail order through Lyle cartridges in New York.  Their
service is excellent and delivery speedy.  And I thought Stanton only made
crappo DJ gear!  Oh, one word of warning: don't use the integral-brush!!!
It only adds noise and kills detail.  I also found that adding a very
small amount of stick-tack in the stylus assembly cavity (well away from
any moving parts!!) helps make it even smoother. It must damp out 
vibrations in the stylus housing.

Others we tried were: Grado ZTE+1 (cheapo for $30 bucks, sounds OK
for 1 month then goes to shit);  Grado 8MR (much better, but somewhat dark
and lacking in detail), Sumiko Blue point (good cartridge but bettered
by the Stanton IMHO), AKG something or other (<$100 but sound = yeeeccch),
others not worth mentioning.

Happy hunting!

Dave Dal Farra
BNR Ottawa
Audio and Acoustics Group
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From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
Subject: Re: Surround speakers--Definitive Tech vs. Cambridge Soundworks
Keywords: surround speaker definitive technology versus cambridge soundworks dol
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:03:13 GMT
Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL

In article <C1FoDn.2FL@ampex.com> dna@ampex.com (David Altekruse) writes:
>I don't know if they are wired out of phase but I seriously doubt it.  If
>the woofers were, they would haven't nearly as much bass.  

I am thinking that the only way you could get bipolar performance would
be to wire them out of phase.  Otherwise, you won't get as much of a 
"null" area.


Tonal match is important.  When the Lexicon pans stuff from Maggies
to those Yamaha skinny surround speakers, it sounds bizarre.


I have not made any equalizer investments yet.  I find the high-end
frequency response of the Yamaha's to be brighter than the Maggies.
Still need to check if that is because of the Amp I am using on the front.
Sigh.


I am considering getting Cambridge Surrounds for the sides and moving
the Yamaha's to the rear channels (six available with the Lexicon).


Robert
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:55:31 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan21.185036.3690@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>
>Thanks for the support. Once I got a CD player I almost completely
>stopped listening to vinyl because (a) its inconvenient since you
>have to keep flipping  and (b) the surface noise and occassional pops and
>ticks are annoying. When I played the album recently and listened to
>it, I was shocked by how good it sounded - the smoothness, the
>depth of the soundstage. I hadn't expected it to sound that good !
>(I'm sure my recently acquired KEF 103.4s have something to do with it).
>People have to experience it for themselves - it seems so contrary to
>what you would expect.
>
    It IS contrary to what you would expect....but unfortunately
    MOST of the universe has a really nasty habit of contradicting
    human thought.

    However, it is NOT contrary to human knowledge....many of the
    fundamental reasons were actually documented long before records
    were invented.   


>CD has come a long way though, and some of the new techniques help - Sony
>has a new 18 bit encoding scheme that is played back on existing
>players with improved resolution.  

    These will actually make things worse for many listeners.  The
    cleaner the CD sound, the more quite a few listeners will
    characterize it as cold and sterile.  A common description is
    "very accurate" said with a tone that clearly implies the cold
    and sterile.  

    This is NOT a slap at the LP fans, it is an acknowledgement that
    the two media sound drastically different in character--and even
    moreso at the extremes of their approach to perfection for the
    technology.  

    I am personally amazed that Bob Carver hasn't created a custom
    DSP chip to modify the sound of [a good] CD to make it sound
    more like a top quality LP played back through state of the art
    turntable, cartridge, tube amplifier, and electrostatic or
    ribbon speakers.  His infamous "Digital Time Lens" was hopefully
    just an April Fool's joke.

    I'd much prefer some of the additional bandwidth of future
    digital audio standards be allocated to recording additional
    channels of information.  Say, front main, front ambience, and
    rear ambience...and possibly front center.  That way you'd have
    a pretty good odds of capturing the real sound of the original
    performance as if you were there.  



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From: clee@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Cassian Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
Subject: Re: Denon AVR-2000
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:34:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1H263.Bn2
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Originator: clee@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu


In article <9301251842.AA24202@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM>, Boniface Lee #2 <bonl2@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
|> I am interested in buying a Surround Sound Receiver.  Any comments on
|> the Denon AVR-2000?  Which mail-order company has the lowest price?
|> Thanks for the info!
|> 
|> --
|> Boniface K. Lee (bonl2@cfsmo.honeywell.com)
|> Honeywell Commercial Flight Systems - Minneapolis Operations
|> (612) 785-4629

You are better off with a YAMAHA DSP A-1000, it might cost you a little
more, but getting the extra DSP features, and the two extra front
effect channels are worth it...IMO.

cassian
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: nnhut@bnr.ca (Nhut Nguyen)
Subject: Comments on Yamaha's subwoofers, please.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:24:53 GMT

Hello netters,

I am tempted to buy a (powered) subwoofer for my system, and a local
store has the Yamaha's 70watts model on sale for around 450$CAN.

I would like to hear your opinion about this price and this model.
Is this a good buy? My main use is for music and movies.

Thanks in advance for any comments.
--
+=============================================================================+
| Nhut Nguyen                  |    Internet:   nnhut@bnr.ca                  |
| BNR Ltd., Ottawa, Canada     |    "Oogawa oto wo tatezu..."                 |
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb)
Subject: MOSFET power amps?
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:14:00 GMT

Greetings!

  I have an amplifier question I hope somebody here can answer.  I
was recently reading some literature from a company called
TubeWorks, which builds musical instrument (read: guitar, bass,
keyboard) amplifiers.  They started out tube-only (thus the name).
However, they now have a product line called MosValve, which uses
MOSFETs, but wired up more like tubes than transistors, such
that their natural tube-like properties come out.  They claim (and
apparently some reviewers agree), that this produces better tone,
more volume/watt, and even-harmonic-only distortion.

  I was wondering if any of the audiophile companies have employed a
similar approach to home audio amps to get a warmer, more tube-like
tone out of their hardware, without the extra size, heat, expense,
etc. of tubes.  Since I'm considering putting a new amp system based
around the Sony TA-E2000ESD, and will need power amps, I thought I
might try to find something a little tube-like.

  Anybody?

Thanks!
--Mike

PS: I'm sure that some of you will argue that tubes are just better,
period.  I'd probably agree with you on a tone-only basis, but there
are obviously practicality issues, too.  If this is a case of
personal preference, please keep it short.  If, however, you have
some sort of technical shortcomings of MOSFET to bring up, yell
away!
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:27:24 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <MJKOBB.93Jan18191506@media-lab.media.mit.edu> mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) writes:
<In article <30339@castle.ed.ac.uk> sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock) writes:
<
<   Play a disc without and the bass lacks guts, vocals are distant and
<   scibilant, treble is mushy and all over the shop, put the disc on top and
<   the bass gets more grunt, vocals come more to life (still not as good as
<   vinyl by a long chalk) and the top end smooths out and focuses.  Take the
<   disc out and the sound returns to state #1, what else is it going to be?
<   Just don't ask why.
<
<So sue me.  Why does it work?  Have you tried blind A/B tests of
<this phenomenon to ensure that you're not hearing what you want to
<hear?  Spectrum analysis?

	Note: I'm not sure I got the attribution lines correctly.  Anyway:
This subject has been discussed so many times.  Last time I looked the
consensus seemed to be: CD players are not shielded properly.  Without
the disc the CD vibrates a bit more and the focusing servo works harder.
The resulting EM noise is picked up by the improperly shielded analog
stages.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@verdix.com (William Spencer)
Subject: Re: Advice for the budding Speaker Designer (was: Re: WANTED: Info on building speakers, speaker software, etc.)
Organization: Verdix Corp
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:37:51 GMT

Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
>In article <m7=3fdb@rpi.edu> dinsmm@aix.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore) writes:
>>I am interested in building some speakers.  At the moment I 
>>am just trying to get some preliminary work done - basic 
>>knowledge of acoustics that would be beneficial.

>The best avenue for the beginner is to first understand the
                         ^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^
>Theil/Small papers printed in the Journals of the Audio Enginnering
>Society (JAES). 

Ha Ha! Good one!

Bill s

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Help, need more bass
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:33:10 GMT

In article <93021.154227KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I have an Aiwa NSX350 bookshelf system that I like very much except I would
|> like to get more bass out of it.  The output is 30 watts at 6 ohms.  I talked
|> to the so-called "expert" at Cambridge Soundworks to see if it could power
|> their Ensemble II system but she couldn't tell me anything at all.  Then I
|> went to the audio store and the salesman just put his nose up in the air and
|> said he onlys deals with "high-end" sound equipment.  Since then I've wondered
|> if an unpowered subwoofer like the Cerwin Vega 12-inch subwoofer would work
|> without blowing the amp.  I'd appreciate any viewpoints or experiences.  Please
|> E-mail it,though,and I'll post if there's a large response.  Thanks in advance.

Get a powered subwoofer. Mirage, Energy, M&K, Velodyne, HSU, etc.
all have powered subs. Your mini system will not be able to power
an unpowered 12" sub !
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Home Theater Advice
Keywords: JVC Infinity
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:09:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.205900.1405@news.duc.auburn.edu>, mcilwain@eng.auburn.edu (Frank H. McIlwain) writes:
|> 
|> I need some opinions on the following home theater system:
|> 
|> JVC RX-807VTN           (A/V Receiver)
|> Infinity Reference Five (Mains)
|> Infinity Video One      (Center)
|> Infinity Reference E-L  (Rear)
|> JVC HR-DX62U            (Hi-Fi 4-head VCR)
|> Pioneer CLD-D301 or 501 (LD/CD Player)
|> JVC AV-31BP3            (31" TV)
|> 

I would go with the following:

   Yamaha RX-V1050         (A/V Receiver)
   Definitive BP10         (Mains)
   Definitive C1           (Center)
   Definitive BP2          (Surrounds)
   Mitsubishi HS-U56       (HIFI 4 Head VCR)
   Pioneer CLD-D701        (LD/CD Player)
   Panasonic SuperFlat     (31" TV)

-- 
   __ ___  
  /\ \ \ \  Anshu Prasad                        stud1b53@bnr.ca
 /--\ \/_/  Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
/_/  \_\    All opinions are my own, not my employer's, BNR Ltd

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From: ahchan@rd.hydro.on.ca (Arthur Chan)
Subject: Re: turntable to aux input black box wanted.
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:59:39 GMT

rbatt@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Richard Batt) writes:
: 
: Hi!
: 
: I would like to connect a record player turntable to a hi-fi system that
: only has an 'aux' input.  I understand that this cannot be done directly
: as the signal 'levels' are different  (I'm not sure in what way).
: Does anyone have information about doing this.  For example can you buy
: a black box that will act as a 'converter' or could an audio technician
: make up such a thing?
:

You need a phono preamp.  I am assuming it uses a magnetic catridge.  Radio
Shack used to carry such a thing, but I am not sure now.  You can easily build
one using inexpensive ICs such as 5532.  If you really want hi-fi, than you may
want to use more exotic ICs or discrete transitors or tubes.  Or, Accoustic
Research makes one for over $2000.  An audio technician can definitely make up
such a thing for you.

Arthur Chan
-- 
Arthur Chan
Operations Research
KR297 (6173)
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