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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Dating Vs peNNukANal (was Re: girl see)
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:23:00 GMT

In article <1dsqmrINN3t8@gap.caltech.edu> milhouse.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai) writes:
>There's no point in saying that dating has advantages over peNNukANal.
>What works for one person may not work for another person. It all
>depends on the character of the individual. 

My point is that it isn't even a choice between two comparable
systems. There is an asymmetry and bias involved in the typical PKANal
situation.

>	And as far as "good families" go: BALONEY!!!!!!! There may be
>good families with bad secrets, which you may get to know only after 
>marriage. A "good family" might provide you with a girl spoiled
>beyond all redemption.

True. You are taking away the most oft-repeated argument in favour of
PK system.

>	And do you think it's easy to call off a marriage one or two
>months after the arrangement, and just before the wedding (when you 
>have suddenly realised a major fault that she may have and that you can't
>live with)?????

True again.

>	Life is full of risks. Marriage is one of them. peNNukANal and
>dating are others.

Don't agree with that.

>Sateesh

PJN

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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Re: WEDDING
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:11:17 GMT

In article 23997@rigel.econ.uga.edu, molly@uga.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.151556.6000@nynexst.com> jacobt@nynexst.com writes:
>>In article 22763@rigel.econ.uga.edu, molly@uga.edu () writes:
>>>Would like to see more about malayalm movies.  Recently I found out that
>>>JAYARMA AND PARVATHI (malayalam movie actors)
>>>got married a couple of months ago.  
>>>
>>>MR
>>Apparently they decided to get married a while ago, '88 I think, but had to wait this long to get full family approval.
>>
>>Jacob
>>-----
>>
>>
>>
>
>Since 1988?  Was it a secret till now or everybody in Kerala new about this.  I
>had no idea about it and I used to tell everyone when I watched their movies
>that these two look good together and won't be surprised if they get married in
>real life.  That is why I am bit surprised about it.
>
>
>MR
I believe it was kept a secret. That must account for the special magic you noticed between the two on the screen.

Jacob
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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Saahithyam
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:21:36 GMT


I had fun translating a stanza from a poem Jose Thekkumthala posted a while ago. Here is the result. All comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks to Mathai for publishing the aksharamaala. 


>   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   +                                           +         
>   +           AN ODE TO DARKNESS              +
>   +                                           +         
>   +             A  poem  by                   +
>   +                                           +
>   +                Jose                       + 
>   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   
>   
>   
>  And Now For Something Completely Different...
>  ------------------------------------------
>  
>  
>  Oh Darkness, mistress of the mischievous night
>  
>  When wilt thou vanish bringing forth tomorrow
>  
>  Lit with a bubbling hope and a bright morning light
>  
>  And a smiling sun awake after a night-long slumber?
>  


                     iruLinOd~

iruLE, yAminithan kusR~thi kAmuki nee

maRannJu pOvatheppOL? aNayum putthan nALe

thiLangum pulaRvetta kAnthiyil, pRatheekshakaL

nurayum, chirithookiyuNarum dinakaran


Jacob
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: Cochin
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.071339.2653@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Magical_Flute) writes:

>Anu comments from the moderator???

I don't think this newsgroup has a moderator. If it did, I don't think
Yesudas' article of choice abuses (remember that one? ) would have been
let through...

Mahesh.
Organization: Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 1992 19:03:51 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: test
From: milhouse.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: girl see
Date: 12 Nov 1992 05:39:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: milhouse.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@milhouse

	For the guys: If you have the time and money (and the luck to
find the right Indian girl), date her and get married (if you want).
If you are shy, and don't know what to talk about, then go see a peNNu.

There's no point in saying that dating has advantages over peNNukANal.
What works for one person may not work for another person. It all
depends on the character of the individual. 
	As far as getting to know the girl is concerned, in either 
case, I doubt if you will ever get to know the person real well. 
	And as far as "good families" go: BALONEY!!!!!!! There may be
good families with bad secrets, which you may get to know only after 
marriage. A "good family" might provide you with a girl spoiled
beyond all redemption. And then you will be stuck with that person for
the rest of your life!! Playing around with that person may be fun, 
but she would be inept at doing anything on her own!!
	And do you think it's easy to call off a marriage one or two
months after the arrangement, and just before the wedding (when you 
have suddenly realised a major fault that she may have and that you can't
live with)?????
	And if she has you in her "spell", you may not even notice the
faults!!! Love is blind indeed!

	Life is full of risks. Marriage is one of them. peNNukANal and
dating are others.

TATA!
Sateesh
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From: jose@csd.uwo.ca (Jose Thekkumthala)
Subject: Re: Bus Yatra
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:09:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.043824.17123@watson.ibm.com> kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com () writes:
> And then there are more stops on the way and more
>and more people will get on to test the incredible power
>of humans beings to shrink and adjust. 
                     ^^^^^

       like in "Incredible Shrinking Woman" alias Lily Tomlin?

>By convention buses
>seat the women in the front and men in the back. But in a 
>situation where humans are packed like sardines and every
>body is trying to hold on their books with one hand and
>to something that will keep them from loosing their balances
>with their other hand, this seperation vanishes. May be
>I like many others took advantage of this situation.
>May be those girls were equally guilty (If I am guilty).

>But those bus yatras were my first sexual experiences
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

       Now I am feeling guilty that I did not take bus to go to college.
       
       Why is it that noone is introducing BusYatra as an alternative
       to PennuKanal or dating?

       On second thought, forget it. I do not want to lose my dowry.      



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Jose (from the basement of my ivory tower)


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From: jsilve@pluton.matrox.com (Joseph Silvester)
Subject: Re: Cochin
Organization: Matrox Ltd.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:00:18 GMT

st1s0@rosie.uh.edu (Hans, Samir) writes:


>I was wondering if anyone on the net is familiar with Cochin. I plan going 
>there this December. Would love to know about it. Places of interest, action
>places for young people and the works. More the information, the better it is.
>Also, some good hotels where one could stay.

Howdy

Ernakulam, is the place I know about - I guess it's sort of the downtown. Couple
of nice hotels there Grand ( my choice & Jackie O's aswell ) and Abad Plaza. Places to vist couple beaches outside cohin is good like Kovalum and varkala.
Hotspots for young people from what I could see in Cohin - would be Bombay.

You'all have a good trip 
Joe. S.


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From: molly@uga.edu ()
Subject: Re: WEDDING
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151556.6000@nynexst.com> jacobt@nynexst.com writes:
>In article 22763@rigel.econ.uga.edu, molly@uga.edu () writes:
>>Would like to see more about malayalm movies.  Recently I found out that
>>JAYARMA AND PARVATHI (malayalam movie actors)
>>got married a couple of months ago.  
>>
>>MR
>Apparently they decided to get married a while ago, '88 I think, but had to wait this long to get full family approval.
>
>Jacob
>-----
>
>
>

Since 1988?  Was it a secret till now or everybody in Kerala new about this.  I
had no idea about it and I used to tell everyone when I watched their movies
that these two look good together and won't be surprised if they get married in
real life.  That is why I am bit surprised about it.


MR
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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Re: malayaaLam aksharamaala
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:01:04 GMT


I find Mathai's suggestion for the aksharamaala very convenient to use except for 'csaaya-image', 'padtanam-study', and  'katda-story'. 

I have the following suggestions for the 'cha', 'da', and 'tha' vargams:

cha		Cha		ja		jha		nJa
chaaya-tea  Chaaya-image   jalam-water jhalam-the river	 nJaan- I
ccha        -----------         jja      ---------              nnJa


da 		dta		da		dha		Na
kaad-forest padtanam-study  daadi-daddy peedham-chair	paNam-money
tta          ----------          dda       -------             NNa

tha		Tha		Da		Dha		na (?)
thala-head  kaTha-story   kaDanam-sorrow   Dhanam-wealth     naaya-dog
ttha        -----------         DDa         -----------      	nna            

Note that I have switched 'dha' and 'Dha' in the original proposal.

My objective is to have similarities between letters of the same vargam, in addition to using existing combinations of letters. This would help me while I write, so that I don't have to refer to an aksharamaala frequently. Reading would be easier too, of course the context of the letters also helps.

Under this scheme, father would be acChan; priest would be acchan. I don't have a good suggestion for 'padtanam-study'. It will take time to get used to this scheme too, but hopefully, it is easier to remember.

Jacob
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: molly@uga.edu ()
Subject: WEDDING
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:08:53 GMT

Would like to see more about malayalm movies.  Recently I found out that
JAYARMA AND PARVATHI (malayalam movie actors)
got married a couple of months ago.  

MR
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: mallu claims to fame
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:38:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.060050.29372@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>In article <BwwvKw.80w@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:

>>Women : Most favourable women to men ratio among all the Indian states

>I am curious. What is this "most favorable women to men ratio"? And how
>does that affect me (us)? 
>
>Help.....!

"Most favourable" as in "highest". And how does that affect you? That's
left to your imagination...let it run wild!

Mahesh.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: WEDDING
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:49:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Nov6.164405.23997@rigel.econ.uga.edu> molly@uga.edu () writes:
>
>Since 1988?  Was it a secret till now or everybody in Kerala new about this.  I
>had no idea about it and I used to tell everyone when I watched their movies
>that these two look good together

aanayum thaappaanum pOle. allE?

>and won't be surprised if they get married in
>real life.  That is why I am bit surprised about it.
>
>
>MR

Mathai
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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: News clip with an inappropriate heading
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:13:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.163044.387@news2.cis.umn.edu> ganesh@mega.cs.umn.edu (M. Ganesh) writes:
>	Netter may remember that some time back there was a demand by some
>Muslim students that they be allowed to sing Koranic verses instead of the
>national anthem in school. Karunakaran the CM, allowed this, (I think).
>
>I would like to hear about your opinions about this. Is this a case of 
>individual freedom too? Please post.
>ganesh.

I don't remember this, but the Seventh Dat Adventist group wanted the
right to remain silent when the national anthem is being sung, as their
religion doesn't believe in praising any entity other than God. They
were granted that right by the courts (I think it went to the Supreme
Court). They have been granted similar rights in the USA too.

I think the option of NOT to sing the national anthem should be a part of
individual freedom. After all, we are not making anyone more "patriotic"
by forcing them to sing the national anthem against their will.

I don't think Koranic verses (or verses from the Gita or Bible) should
be substituted for the national anthem as they are different types of
entities. If schools have religious functions, I think individual
students should be able to opt out of it, or substitute it with the
function of their chosen religion.

PJN

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: mallu claims to fame
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.050612.20794@cs.uow.edu.au> g9133666@cs.uow.edu.au (Moothedath Padmaraj) writes:
>>If you want to talk about famous Mallu's, start with MDR!
>                                                      ^^^^
>>Njan
>
>
>I am sure this is a reference to the famous "MGR".He was certainly one
>of the most famous mallus.The only anomaly here could be that some

No it wasn't! I meant M. D. Ramanathan, the great classical vocalist.
He was born in Palghat which makes him a Malayalee.

Please don't insult MDR by confusing him to some third rate politician.

>Padmaraj

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pjoseph@eng.auburn.edu (Paul Joseph)
Subject: pennukaanal and dating......
Reply-To: pjoseph@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:26:01 GMT


to the so called men and women in ACK who keep arguing their view points about pennukaanal and  dating.......

 we marry illusions and images of the other person. be it PK or dating. The picture is never clear unless U live with her/him for a while. both PK and dating have its + and - points. The adventure starts after the marriage when you really get to know the other person. Thats when the cups and saucers fly etc etc.... i hope you get what i mean. so good luck to the people who are still single. as for me the adventure started about 2.5 months back. we still havent reached the cup and saucer part.

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From: mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Magical_Flute)
Subject: Re: Cochin
Organization: Dwaraka  
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:13:39 GMT

How about saving such information under a file
called FAQ_KERALA???
Anu comments from the moderator???


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: paulchem@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Paul C. Chemmanoor  )
Subject: Re: Cochin
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:42:18 GMT

In article <BxBH1u.LLq@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.071339.2653@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Magical_Flute) writes:
>
>>Anu comments from the moderator???
>
>I don't think this newsgroup has a moderator. If it did, I don't think
>Yesudas' article of choice abuses (remember that one? ) would have been
>let through...
>
>Mahesh.

1] alt.culture.kerala was formed as an unmoderated newsgroup.
    Postings do not have to be approved by anyone.

2]  As for the original question I think  its a good idea.
     As Ill be getting some time this weekend Ill try to put together
      a rough draft of a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) article which
      would be something we could build on. I will need a lot of input 
	from all of you, regarding facts about kerala. And also about
    what you think should go into the FAQ.

	This list then will be periodically (approx two weeks) posted on ack
    so that i) The questions can be answered.
	    ii) Newcomers can find out what happens in this newgroup.

	I personally feel we could attach a introduction of ackers as an 
	article since our active membership seems manageable for such an
	exercise.

3] Mahesh T. , I dont know if you have read so far, but I just wanted to 
say that I intended to answer your question addressed to me about women
and why they needed protection in the past, but sudhas reply to the article
seems to be quite similar to what I think about it, and I couldnt get the
time to send in a reply. Hope it was not rude of me.

					
Later,
Paul Chemmanoor.

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From: arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan)
Subject: Re: malayaaLam aksharamaala
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:47:24 GMT


May I suggest some modifications?

>cha		csa		ja		jha		nJa
>chaaya-tea  csaaya-image   jalam-water jhalam-the river	 nJaan- I
>ccha        -----------         jja      ---------              nnJa

ca              cha             ja              jha             nJa

(this is the convention used in many printed materials)

>
>da 		dta		da		dda (?)		na
>kaad-forest padtanam-study  daadi-daddy peeddam-chair	paNam-money
>tta, Ta       ----------          dda       -------             NNa

Ta              Tha             Da              Dha             Na

(same as above)
>
>tha		tda		Da		dha		na (?)
>thala-head  katda-story   kaDanam-sorrow   dhanam-wealth     naaya-dog
>ttha        -----------         DDa         -----------      	nna            

ta              tha             da              dha             na

>
>ya		  ra		la		va		Sa	
>yaagam-sacrifice  ira-victim   ala-wave      vala-net  Sari-correct
>yya               --------      lla            vva            SSa
>   
>sha		sa		ha		La		zha
>varsham-year sathyam-truth  haranam-division  vaLa-bracelet puzha-river
>---------       ssa           ---------         LLa          -------- 
> 
>Ra
>thaRa-base
>----------

What about double 'R', as in kATT~ (wind)? TT is not good, as it is
confusing. What anout RR (they way it is written in Malayalam)?

>Mathai Chundattu   mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>-- 
>
>

Arun Achyuthan
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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Re: WEDDING
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:15:56 GMT

In article 22763@rigel.econ.uga.edu, molly@uga.edu () writes:
>Would like to see more about malayalm movies.  Recently I found out that
>JAYARMA AND PARVATHI (malayalam movie actors)
>got married a couple of months ago.  
>
>MR
Apparently they decided to get married a while ago, '88 I think, but had to wait this long to get full family approval.

Jacob
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: Dating Vs peNNukANal revisited
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:10:20 GMT

In article <BxMJv2.Ezq@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.032628.25795@watson.ibm.com> kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com () writes:

>>includes most second generation Indians. I think there is a 
>>great number of them who reads this news group silently.

>I don't understand this silence too!

I can think of 3 possible reasons straightaway :

1. They find long articles that cite 35 previous articles (in their
   fullest lengths), too tedious to read...especially when the articles
   just reiterate what has already been reiterated/make no point at all;

2. They agree with/are able to identify themselves with each of the
   authors on this subject and just don't want to waste time, effort &
   bandwidth by stating so publicly on the net;

3. They think most, if not all of the articles on this topic have been
   sufficiently inane that the articles don't warrant a response.

By the way, this is my first posting on this topic & as you can see, it
really has nothing to do with the topic per se. So, you should probably
be able to guess which one or more of those 3 reasons is or are applicable
to me.

Mahesh.