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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: C-section Incision Pain, 30 months later
Date: 3 Jan 93 12:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <glen.725661828@cs.wisc.edu>, glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes...
>dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
> 
>>I'd like to hear from anyone who had some lingering pain from a c-section
>>incision, or anyone that knows a good source of information.
> 
>My wife has had recurring problems with her incision (2.5 years), and just found
>significant relief from an alternative source called "scar tissue release."
>The idea, as I understand it, is that scar tissue can make bridges which then
>get pulled easily.  What this guy did was to push on the scar tissue and
>tear it.  My wife said it helped.  She heard about this guy from her Physical
>Therapist.  It sounds like some doctors have good opinions about it.
>Maybe it will be mainstream in a few years.
>-- 
>Every child shall be treated with complete respect.
> 
>Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y
>Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St., Room 3355
>University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.

Those "bridges" sound like adhesions???  Adhesions can occur 
after any type of major incision.  That's one of the reasons why 
people are told not to do anything strenuous while healing.  I 
think they're more common after abdominal surgery.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare vs. Nanny; FT vs. PT for an Infant
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:34:21 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis MD

In misc.kids, amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
>However, I'm sure at SOME age the stimulation of other children
>wins out over staying at home with a nanny.  What's that age?

My daughter started going to a daycare home with other children when
she was about 18 months old.  She's a shy child, but by that age she
was thrilled to have the other kids to play with.  So I'd say the age
is between 12 to 18 months.  I think that one-on-one care is great for
infants.

			     Lynn Cooper
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Subject: Re: Circum.: When Parents Disagree :-(
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.212132.22722@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.UUCP (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
>
>I'm counting on you, misc.kidder's .... not to make the decision, but
>to give some helpful advice ... NOT to debate circumcision, but to
>relate experiences when the parents disagree strongly about it ...
>
>What to do?
>
Were it my husband, I would make the following suggestions:

1) If you are going to insist that our son be circumsized, I insist
   that you first watch another baby be circumsized.  If not, then I
   will not allow it.

2) If you watched the baby getting circumsized, and still want to 
   have it done, let's talk about the pros and cons, including anything
   you learned by watching the procedure.

3) If we still cannot agree, choose an acceptable arbiter.

I base this on my opinion that if two people cannot agree, they should
try to become as informed about the issue as they can, then try to talk
it through, and if all else fails, have someone help them come to 
consensus.

Personally, I see no real difference between circumsizing a boy or
circumsizing a girl, and would be about as likely to have it done in
either case.  Fortunately, my husband is agreeable to my non-interventionist
approach... 8-)
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From: jxl@philabs.philips.com (Judith A. Lucian)
Subject: Thanks!
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:55:03 GMT


I just wanted to thank all the people who replied to my posting about helping
my daughter get rid of her pacifier and bottle.  I had a very good response
and also some very good suggestions. So far my daughter hasn't had a bottle in
three days and has only had a pacifier at night for sleeping, so it's a start
anyway.
Thanks again,
Judy Lucian

Have a Happy Holiday!!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ByronB@sunfish.ratsys.com (Byron Bollas)
Subject: Single Parents
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:41:27 GMT

I'm new to this list so please forgive me if this subject has been discussed 
to death already. 

I am a single parent father of two daughters (10 & 6) and I am interested in 
corresponding with other single parents (especially fathers, if there are 
any). My children see their mother regularly, although she is not heavily 
involved in their day to day lives (homework, afterschool activities, etc.).
They are doing very well in school and we all seem to have adjusted well to 
our new lives.

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone else in the same situation 
about any pertinent topic.

Byron Bollas
ByronB@ratsys.com
Byron Bollas
byronb@ratsys.com
Rational Systems, Inc.
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:35:51 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Organization: (Evil Eye Creature from Mars, Inc.)

In article <C002FG.1zz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Michalis  Syrimis) wrote:
> Is it true that many americans,irrespective of relegious
> or ethnic background  have their newborn sons 
> circumsised today?  If this is indeed so, what are the
> reasons behind it?

Well, when we got our son the nurses were jumping around in the 
room wondering why we didn't want to circumsize our son. By which
I answered "He's had a painful experience already, leave him alone".

Yes, it seems this is something based on American tradition, and 
where Europeans will get a shock if they have babies over here.

Kent
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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Celebrating Xmas and Hannakuh
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:07:17 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Dec29.151853.16466@trentu.ca>, xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
> 
> You culture does rub off on you. My brother started to forget to send
> Christmas parcels home. Then he moved to Rome and this year he sent
> cards and presents to everyone. I expect that's because of all the
> reminders the surrounding culture gave him.


Well, yes.  As they say "When in Rome..." :) :)

Sorry, Kate, I couldn't resist!  Hope your holidays were lovely :)

Ann Helmers
From: murthy+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Sesh Murthy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: LEGO penumatic; great toy for 6 year olds.
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:57:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C01GvI.L4y.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

My brother presented a LEGO pneumatic set to my 6 yr old daughter.
I was a little apprehensive since it said it was for kids 9-14
years old.  

The set is just great.  The instuctions are easy to follow. My daughter
did most of the building but I had to help with some truly tough parts.
She has built a fork lift and a crane till now and is really proud of
her achievement.  She now knows how a rack and pinion steering works
and how gears work and has a chance to play with various mechanisms.

I think this is a great toy for any kids who can read and count.  

We had tried the various other lego toys like building houses
but she got bored easily.  Now she is not bored as she knows that
the final toy can DO something.

BTW they are wrong about the 14 year old part too.  I loved playing
with the set too.

A few questions:

Is the LEGO club worth joining?  

I remember playing with Mecano sets as a kid.  Where can I buy this
now.  Can you get any sets where you build an engine?  

I will tell you guys about the toy robots I am going to build with 
my daughter this summer.

Any suggestions for good toys of this type will be welcome.

Regards,
Sesh Murthy
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Circum.: When Parents Disagree : -(
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:02:03 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 1844@netcom.com, shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Dec23.212132.22722@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.UUCP (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
> >
> >I'm counting on you, misc.kidder's .... not to make the decision, but
> >to give some helpful advice ... NOT to debate circumcision, but to
> >relate experiences when the parents disagree strongly about it ...
> >
> >What to do?
> >
> Were it my husband, I would make the following suggestions:
> 
> 1) If you are going to insist that our son be circumsized, I insist
>    that you first watch another baby be circumsized.  If not, then I
>    will not allow it.
> 
> 2) If you watched the baby getting circumsized, and still want to 
>    have it done, let's talk about the pros and cons, including anything
>    you learned by watching the procedure.
> 
> 3) If we still cannot agree, choose an acceptable arbiter.
> 
> I base this on my opinion that if two people cannot agree, they should
> try to become as informed about the issue as they can, then try to talk
> it through, and if all else fails, have someone help them come to 
> consensus.
> 
> Teri Miller                    tmiller@cisco.com -or- shannah@netcom.com
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Teri,

Sounds like the husband get a no win situation.  

Shouldn't you also watch the circumcision?

They way some people talk about circumcision you would think that huge bulky
knives are used without any safeguards.

It's been a few years since I watched my oldest get circumsized. I was amazed
at how fast it took place (less than five minutes).

The first thing that happened (not counted in time) was that my son was given
his bath (all the babies got baths each morning).  

Then he was placed in his bassenet in the nurses station along with the other
two boys to be circumsized that day.

From what I remember the actual circumcision took place like this.

1.  Penis wiped with alcohol.

2.  Numbing agent (lotion/gel) applied. (note:  not all doctors use).

3.  A two piece plastic ring was put on.  One piece under the foreskin and one
    above (they "snapped" together).

4.  A string was tied along the grove in the top ring.

5.  The doctor cut along one side of the string in the grove.  The the plastic
    ring under the foreskin insured that the doctor wouldn't accidently cut 
    more then he was supposed to.

Yes, my son did cry, but it wasn't a pain cry, it was more of why don't you leave
me alone I want to go back to sleep cry.  He started crying at the bath and stop
a few minutes after the circumcision was completed (he went back to sleep).

-Serena

P.S.  The ring fell off in about five days when it was completely healed.
From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: embarrassing things they do
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:54:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell Inc., Austin, TX.

In article <1992Dec28.211222.8252@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>
>My daughter (20 mo.) who we really did try to de-emphasize Santa 
>around went post Christmas shopping with me Saturday.  We were standing 
>in line to check out ande Cameron says "Hi Claus" just as plain as day.
>I turned around and there was this large man in line behind us with
>white shoulder length hair and a full white beard. He really did look 
>like Santa. It wouldn't have been so embarrassing had he at least
>acknowledged her saying hi, but he was obviously unamused. He ignored her
>as she got louder and louder and more insistant. It was rerally hard
>not to laugh.  I drug her out of the store screaming "Claus, Claus Hi Claus"
>at the top of her lungs.


I think the only person in this story who should be feel embarrassed
is the *Grouch* who couldn't even spare a smile and a hello for your
daughter.  Perhaps he had enough of being called "Santa" by hordes
of children, but really....what does a smile cost???  For that matter
forget the "Claus" part, it was VERY rude of him not to respond when
your child said "Hi".  So what if she got his name wrong.

Hrrrrumphhhh......  I hope he gets a lump of coal in his stocking.

M'Linda

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From: jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Preventive Antibiotics
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:08:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec29.174824.9895@cbnews.cb.att.com> klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr) writes:
>In article <29059@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>> What have people's experiences been with preventive antibiotics?  Brad
>> was on them for a month or so, but it was near the end of the winter.
>> He didn't get any more ear infections, but with cold season really over
>> by then, he might not have gotten any in any case.  The antibiotics
>> gave him TERRIBLE diaper rash, so that he would cry whenever he had
>> a dirty diaper.  I almost think the preventive medicine was worse than
>> getting another ear infection would have been.
>
>Please post (or post a summary)!  Alison is about to end this dose of 
>antibiotics for the latest ear infection (by their count, #4 even though #3
>lasted about 1 month with 3 different types of antibiotics taken) and will
>immediately start 1 month of a low grade antibiotic (Batrim (sp?)).  The
>one she is one now causes her to have diarrhea (and then diaper rash if we
>aren't careful), but the Batrim doesn't (she was on it not too long ago and
>did fine).
>
>Also, I would like people's opinions on tubes.  In particular, Alison's
>doctor said that tubes don't prevent ear infections; they just help drain
>the fluid in the ears and relieve the pressure/pain.  Kids still get ear
>infections.  So, if one is worried about language delay (which doesn't seem
>to be a problem with Alison at this point!), then tubes are the solution.
>Otherwise, just treat the infections (either with spot antibiotics or
>continual antibiotics).  Anyone else told this?
>
>	Karen
>
I've never posted to misc.kids before, so hello to you all.  When I saw the
question about tubes, I really wanted to jump in.

I was told by my pediatrician that tubes were not a good solution.  We did the
whole antibiotic thing, but my daughter Rebekah (now 4) still had breakthroughs
and developed an allergy to Ceclor( which is really unfortunate, since it's the
most effective drug against strep).  After two eardrums burst because of    
pressure, I took her to an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist.  He recommended 
doing the tubes.  He explained that with each infection, the tubes don't 
always drain and can easily become reinfected.  He described the consist-
ency of the fluid in her ears as "like tacky glue".  Not very fluid like in
my book. 

Well, we had the tubes inserted, and have had no problems since.  I know some
children have recurrent problems, but our experience was fantastic.
-- 
Janet Tilander
Chevron Exploration and Production Services Co.
San Ramon, CA
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From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 24 Dec 92 23:39:01 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>  Heck, since I am Asian American, I might as well have had my parents
>  cut my eyelids when I was born.  It certainly would have spared me
>  all those "ching-chong" jokes where people run up to your face and
>  pull their eyes into slits.  But if you're a Westerner living in
>  China, you might as well go get those lids stitched up.  Wouldn't
>  want to be different, now would we?  Tee hee...

	Oooh. Is this possible? I always hear of people getting 'the
operation" to make their eyes bigger, but I've never heard of anyone
wanting to make it smaller.
	However, one thing I HATE here in San Diego is I've had
several people tease me for being a white person from Japan and
speaking Japanese all the time and stuff, they have said "Why don't
you go get slanted eyes already" and laugh. OOOOHHH I hate this.
	Maiko
(guess these stupid jokes go both ways, unfortunately ^_^)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:39:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.131744.14414@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.191816.8746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.173429.5492@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>>[snip, snip]
>>>
>>>As I've said before, I'm glad I circumcised because it makes body
>>>maintenance so much easier.  Sure, some of you have said that taking care of
>>>an uncirucmcised penis isn't that difficult, but let's face it, I don't
>>>remember to floss every morning and that's supposed to be easy too.  I gave
>>>up on wearing contacts because as easy as they were to deal with, they were
>>>more complicated than just reaching for a pair of glasses and being done
>>>with it. 
>>
>>These are reasons for *you* to be circumcised, none of them are reasons for
>>you to have your son circumcised.
>
>	What an illogical statement.  I mean on WHAT OTHER BASIS
>	would someone make a judgement about something other than
>	personal experience?

Well, let's see.  How about REASON, or maybe HUMAN RIGHTS?  I don't understand
your complaint.  Are you saying that just because you feel a certain way that
we can automatically assume that your child will feel the same way?  How
illogical, indeed!

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Here a study, there a study....
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:16:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Dec22.112738.119689@marshall.wvnet.edu>
swk004@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:

>Hey!  I am not entirely against studies.  But tell me, which study do 
>I adopt.

The $64,000 question.

Scientists and statisticians don't seem to do enough work on
the problem of presenting conclusions from empirical studies
in a manner which allows them to be balanced against other
arguments, by lay people.

This is particularly a problem in court cases involving "expert
witnesses".

But it's also a very general problem of the fragmentation of knowledge
in technologically advanced societies. I have very little idea even of
what kind of thing could be a solution to the problem. Scientific
knowledge just doesn't get disseminated properly.

Sorry to be of no help whatsoever! :-)
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, |  [Profound thought for 1993]
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End |     "Philishave is about
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 |      personal choice" 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk |             -- TV advert
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: **> DISCOVERY TOYS <**
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:53:15 GMT
Summary: where's tupperware when you need it?


I also have found hawking of Discovery Toys to be on the increase.
Lots of little ads in the local paper and the Chicagoland parents-of-kids
publications.  And I agree that they are very nice toys, but premium-priced.
Out of our range, usually.

But conversely, it seems increasingly harder to find anyone who
sells Tupperware.  Tupperware is a good product, so I only want to
place a small order about once a year (since most items I already 
have aren't wearing out), but darned if I can find any Tupperware
dealers any more.   I've been on the lookout for months, since
I wanted to get my mother-in-law some tall tumblers for the
school-age grandhildren's visits (I already supplied her with a 
a set of sipper cups).  (Gift Tip note for misc.kidders -- if
you get the grandparents a basic set of toddler equipment, you'll
save yourselves lots of lugging and packing.)   I also want to replace
my A-B-C nesting book, as my two kids wore it out from loving
it so much (Tupperware has a "never-wear-out" guarantee).


And why does the "Party" concept still linger?  One Tupperware/Discovery
Toys party is enough to last 5 years.   I'd rather just page through the
catalog and fill out my order.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Male daycare provider/center worker
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:11:01 GMT

The  preschool that Tim goes to also has a male provider.  He is not
in Tim's room, but in the adjacent room.  At the end of the day the
door between the two rooms is open and the two groups mingle freely
(they both have kids in the same age range).  Tim really likes the
male teacher (whose name is very strange and I tend to forget it),
and I think that their friendship is a good thing.  I don't know him
too well, though.

-- Misty
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