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From: budnick@cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:42:32 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center


This stirs up some old memories for me.  Several years ago (maybe as many as 
10yrs), I recall that the Iron county area had declared their own Wod.  I
remember reading, and even seeing reports on those bogus "current affair"
style TV shows, of "major" drug busts in that region.  They paraded some
small time high school kids before the camaras making them out as sinister
criminals dealing in drugs to the innocent and vulnerable blah blah blah.
You know the story.  I suspect that, while there may be some truth to the
"designer drug," the extent of its use and the extent of the "problem" is
blown far out of proportion.  This is a rural area (I've spent much time
in that region) that has been heavily seeded with drug hystaria.  

Peter Budnick

P.S. This is the same place that the "giant fungus" was found several months
     ago.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 04:09:59 GMT


  carnes@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Richard Carnes) says:

>>>There is plenty of evidence in the research literature that many,
>>>perhaps most people with addictions outgrow their problem without
>>>treatment (it's called "maturing out", originally a street term). 
>>
>>What is the source of the funding for these studies?
>>What is the political agenda of the researchers?
>
>I don't know the sources of funding for these studies,.............

It's surprising what some people will do when their
purse strings are tied to the government.

>...................................................... nor am I aware
>of any political agendas of the researchers. 

EVERYONE has a political agenda.



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Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15165 talk.politics.drugs:6022
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: The Biggest Cause of Street Crime
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:48:04 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting


Despite the  radical differences  between the Republican and
Democratic platforms,  both parties  still agree  on  taking
ever more  drastic measures  to fight  crime.  Neither party
will admit  this truth: that the War on Drugs is in fact the
major cause  of street crime in the U.S. Today.  Most of the
crime which  people are upset about today comes not from the
use of drugs, but from the consequences of the War on Drugs:
gangs fighting  turf battles  over drug  sales  territories,
people stealing  to support  expensive drug  habits, out-of-
control SWAT  teams and  corrupt law  enforement  officials.
Very little  street crime  is  committed  by  people  simply
because they have taken drugs(alcohol excepted).

The major  premise that  drugs are  dangerous to  society is
propaganda, not  fact. How  many people  trumpeting the need
for ever  tougher measures  to fight  drug crimes  have  any
knowledge  whatsoever   of  the  documented  pharmacological
effects of  the drugs they denounce so vehemently? Given the
epidemic of drug use in the U.S. today, why are there so few
deaths from  consumption of  illegal drugs  reported?    The
relatively benign effects of currently illegal drugs and the
political motivation  behind the history of the War on Drugs
is thoroughly  documented from  mostly government sources in
Richard  Miller's   book  The   Case  for  Legalizing  Drugs
(Praeger,1991). More  people die in the U.S. every year from
medical malpractice  than die  from either gunshot wounds or
from consumption of currently illegal drugs. Maybe we should
outlaw the practice of medicine.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
( New .sig under construction. Watch this space! )
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.war
From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Subject: Re: Amphetamines in Gulf War (was Re: Vikings etc.)
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.195518.4107@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> 
> >|> Other drugs such as alcohol,
> >|> cannabis and opiates apparently are widely available on bases, though
> >|> admittedly for recreational purposes rather than "rage" purposes.
> >
> >Alcohol is widely available, but cannabis and opiates are not (at
> >least, not any more).
> 
> Says who?  I remember reading about at least one and vaguely about
> several storries in mainstream media about how widespread drug use is
> in U.S. military bases abroad, like in Europe.  Now, it might not be
> necessarily provided by the base and legal like alcohol, but that
> doesn't make it nonexistent.
> 
> //Jyrki
> 

With the random urinalysis testing, the use of drugs such as cannabis and 
opiates has become much more risky.  For those who may not know, cannabis
(or pot if you prefer) can be detected for 30 days after use.  Cocaine can 
also be detected but the time after use is much shorter (within a week, but
don't quote me on this).

Most people in the military can expect to be tested 2-3 times a year under the
random system.  Of course, if your behaviour changes or your job performance
goes down, you may get told to take "pee in the bottle" when you least expect
it.

Don Palmrose






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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: LSD freezerburn?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:36:30 GMT

LSD, if I recall correctly (and since I seem to post this info once a month,
and no one ever corrects me...), has a half-life of 12 years when stored 
correctly.  "Stored correctly" basically means cold, dark, dry, and perhaps
no oxygen.  I have heard of people storing it with argon gas.  "Half-life"
means in 12 years, half the molecules will have decided to become something
other than LSD.

I don't think freezer burn would be a problem, though it's best to keep it
dry (unless it's liquid :-)

bobo
bowman@reed.edu

Xref: sparky alt.co-evolution:69 rec.mag:160
From: danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution,rec.mag
Subject: Re: Whole Earth Review "Manifesto" (comments welcome)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 00:22:52 GMT
Organization: Obfuscation Eschewers, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: earlybird

(Hank Roberts) writes in "The Whole Earth Review Manifesto"
 WER #74, Spring 1992:

     -o- WE ARE DELIBERATELY ECLECTIC.
 
     Our content is addressed to many communities of readers who lead 
     different kinds of lives, and who may disagree with one another about 
     many things.  We provide tools for environmental activists; we give 
     technology-watchers and tinkerers a window on tomorrow's scientific 
     trends.  Our readers are men and women, young and old, urban and 
     rural, from all around the world.  They like to have their worldviews 
     expanded and their assumptions challenged.  They don't mind taking 
     the time to read, to think, and to discuss new ideas.  We offer tools for 
     generalists.

Yet WER's audience and its focus are almost entirely on the
concerns and interests of what has been called the "middle"
and "upper-middle" class, and certainly on those able to 
afford the books, tools, and adventures your reviews and 
articles so elegantly describe.

I was excited when the 'WELL first started up and a phone number
was listed. I eagerly called it up on a borrowed terminal and modem
only to be first asked for a MasterCard number.

I have since learned that the 'WELL is an important source of
funds for the Point, WER, etc., but it seemed to me at the time
to contradict the idea of global access to ideas and tools.

Perhaps I ask too much. I would not presume to know all the
difficulties WER and its related organizations have had to muddle
through to stay afloat financially and to fund new and interesting
projects, but I do worry that access to the tools and ideas WER
provides is limited by one's checkbook.

Don't get me wrong, I am a "long-time subscriber" and enjoy
WER, but along the way I have found something missing that
is difficult to describe.

It is as if there is no "soul" to the enterprise. Sometimes
the contents seems a bit random, even given the changing theme
of each issue.

Perhaps either there is an unarticulated value system illuminating
the editorial vision of WER, or perhaps there is something to be
mourned in an enterprise which does so well at so many things, yet
seemingly fails to provide a consistent context for its mostly
excellent contents. 

Dan O'Connell
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution
From: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M O Donnell)
Subject: Re: Sustainable Communities
Originator: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:24:12 GMT

From article <1992Aug28.191242.673@samba.oit.unc.edu>, by Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London):
> Does anyone have any interest in the concept of sustainable 
> communities? I would be interested in references to any publications
> on the subject, i.e. back issues of WER. This is similar to 
> co-housing but done on a grander scale, offering more options to
> inhabitants. Are there any examples of successful s.c.'s anywhere?



Lawrence,

I'm interested in the topic, but I am uncertain about the scope
of the term "sustainable community".  Are they to be wholly independent
in terms of housing, food supply, waste removal, etc. or are they
(forgive the inadequacy of the words) responsible elements of a greater
community?

Anyway, to point towards some sources of info., Sim Van der Ryn & Petere Calthorpe
wrote a book entitled "Sustainable Communities: A New Design Syntesis for Cities,
Suburbs and Towns".  In the book, they and several other contributers, discuss
the topic in Chapters like: The New Suburban Fabric, Design as if People Mattered,
Local Self Reliance, Architecture and Biology...

This book leads to Calthorpe's current work on the concept of "Pedestrian
Pockets", which are mixed-use communities at urban densities, and that
are based around regional mass transportation networks like light rail.
As the name suggests, walking is actively promoted by the design and the 
communities are compact.

Calthorpe's firm has master planned several villages, including Laguna
West, a new community of 5200 people, near Sacramento, CA and he has also
presented his ideas in "The Pedestrian Pocket Book: A New Suburban Design
Strategy", Princeton Architectural Press, 1989.  (There also was an article
in the Whole Earth Review about 4 years ago, I think.)

You also might contact the US Department of Transportation and ask for
two publications of theirs, entitled The New Suburb and Guidelines for
Transit-Sensative Land Use Design.  The first provides a nice summary
of recent neo-traditional community designs.

On the East Coast, the Florida-based firm of Duany-Plater Zyberk has been
very active in neo-traditional (sustainable?) community design and there
are several books out about their work.

I can go on and on about this, so I'll stop here and if this is what you're
looking for let me know, and I'll start-up again.

Take care,

Sean


>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution
From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: Seed Savers (was 'rock dust')
Keywords: gardening Findhorn Perelandra
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:51:33 GMT

In <BtLno5.Etp.1@cs.cmu.edu> dwp+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Philips) writes:
>I have come across (and subsequently lost or misplaced :-( ) info on various
>organizations that are basicly seed preservation societies.  Some of them
>"preserve" by spreading some of the seed around to members who grow them and
>send more seed back, etc.

>-Doug

Seed Savers in Decorah, Iowa, is the one WEC has recommended frequently.
Great project.
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution
From: dwp+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Philips)
Subject: Re: Rock dust (was Perelandra, was Whole Earth)
Summary: something salient, shortly stated, sadly seldom satoric
Keywords: gardening Findhorn Perelandra
Organization: EIEI-U
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.160059.18895@samba.oit.unc.edu>
        Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London) writes:
+In article <BtFu3x.77D.1@cs.cmu.edu> dwp+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Philips) writes:
+>from one area to support another area, is the underlying philosophy that
+>bothers me, not whether the resource is oil based fertilizer or rock powder.

+We're talking about growing food/fiber/herb-medicinal/culinary crops for
+home use and/or market.
[Benefits of rock dust elided, and not disputed. -dwp]
+                                    _Any_ rock powders are beneficial in
+farm soil. Rendering rock into dust is the problem; quarries are good at this,
+all the better if they're local to you.

Indeed.  Perhaps I am reading too much into what you said, but simply
because we are talking about home use/market does not reassure me,
considering that the amount of oil improperly disposed of by DIYers changing
their own (vehicle) oil far exceeds the amount spilled by the Exxon Valdez.
So it is clear that individuals acting locally can have a massive effect.
For this reason, I am very leary of the defense (if this is in fact what you
were saying):  But it is only for individuals working non-collectively.
 
+Growing food crops that are well-adapted to local conditions are an
+excellent idea; discovering them is a challenge, esp. the local wild ones.
+Growing established open-pollinated varieties of fruits and vegetables that
+are _really well-adapted_ to the various micro-climates that exist in any area
+is someting to work for. Those crops could be marketed between those
+microclimates as well as out of the area when necessary.

I have come across (and subsequently lost or misplaced :-( ) info on various
organizations that are basicly seed preservation societies.  Some of them
"preserve" by spreading some of the seed around to members who grow them and
send more seed back, etc.

-Doug
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution,rec.mag
From: dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B. Smith)
Subject: Fear and loathing at Whole Earth? (was: Re: "Manifesto")
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:57:55 GMT

Re Dan O'Connell's remark: I must have been half asleep when I read the 
last issue, but the just-out issue (Neo-Darwinism, etc.) makes it clear
that some kind of massive identity crisis is in progress there.

I'd vaguely noticed that Howard Rheingold had become editor, but the
letter/backscatter/etc. stuff in the back of this issue makes it clear
that people are resigning left and right, both from Whole Earth Review
and The Well, and that Rheingold, immediately after taking over, is now
going on sabbatical, while assuring us that although previously "on
sabbatical" meant "adios," it doesn't this time.  Mentions that a new
editorial assistant has cleverly restructured the job so that THIS
editorial assistant won't burn out as quickly as all the other have, etc. 

I've been reading Co-Evolution/Whole Earth since about 1977, find it the ONLY pperiodical I read that is fresh and new every time.  (Of course, I also
liked Whole Earth Software Review).  I keep toying with the idea of becoming
a "maniacal subscriber" on the grounds that it would actually save me money 
if I keep reading it for the rest of my life, but, well, ... I believe I 
won't renew for more than a year at a time now.


-- 
Daniel P. B. Smith
dpbsmith@world.std.com
Xref: sparky alt.co-evolution:66 rec.mag:159
From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution
Subject: Sustainable Communities
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:12:42 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Does anyone have any interest in the concept of sustainable 
communities? I would be interested in references to any publications
on the subject, i.e. back issues of WER. This is similar to 
co-housing but done on a grander scale, offering more options to
inhabitants. Are there any examples of successful s.c.'s anywhere?
repositories of information for prospective planners
of such projects? An architect friend of mine here in Chapel Hill
is ramroding a sustainable community on 30 acres they hope to purchase 
soon and could use more information on the subject.

Lawrence London

lawrence.london@bbs.oit.unc.edu
larry@wolves.durham.nc.us
FidoNet 1:151/502

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Newsgroups: alt.books.reviews,alt.native
From: jdt@kd4edw.dixie.com (James Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.books.technical,comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: SNMP publications
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:58:31 GMT
Organization: Radio Flyers

jlw@improb.cls.com (Jeff Wannamaker) writes:

>(2) request others that know of commercially available SNMP manuals or
>    publications (not RFC's) to post a message identifying the
>    publisher and author.

I have "The Simple Book:An Introduction to Management of TCP/IP-based Internets"
written by Marshall T. Rose, and published by Prentice Hall. I have just begun
reading it, so I can't really comment on the content. You might examine a copy
if you can find one.  I got it mail-order through the Library of Information
and Computer Science.

================================================================================
James Taylor    jdt@kd4edw.dixie.com	   "The Center for Artificial Ignorance"
================================================================================
From: steef.jacobson@factory.com (Steef Jacobson) 
Newsgroups: alt.books.technical
Subject: book club
Date: 24 Aug 92 10:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: steef.jacobson@factory.com (Steef Jacobson) 

 .................................
.. Does anybody know how good the Library of Science book club is?
.. (i think it is run by the people that publish scientific american)
.. do they have a good selection?  what about prices?
 .................................
Andy,
        I've been a member for about 4 years and have a stack of books
from them. They have good prices and if you get free books if you sign
someone else up (HINT). They also are part of other similar clubs (like
the Library of Science) so you also get a ton of mail along with your
orders. I don't have a recent blurb from them to give you a sample but
the price are arround $20 - $40 with bonus books after the initial...

                                        Steef

---
 . The Stee. . 2 kinds of fans: Met fans & people going to be Met fans
                                                                                 
Newsgroups: alt.books.technical,misc.books.technical
From: hal@cs.cornell.edu (Hal Perkins)
Subject: Re: book club
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:18:58 GMT

>In article <1992Aug26.004822.12022@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
>	pattis@cs.washington.edu (Richard Pattis) writes:
>>One word of caution; I've found some book clubs, including the main one
>>mentioned, charge a hefty shipping and handling fee. For some of the less
>>expensive books, this fee increases the total cost beyond my local bookstore.

rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
>As another poster mentioned, the real benefit of buying books through
>the club is the discount credits.

Something else to consider.  If you and the book club are in different
states you won't pay sales tax.  I've found that the shipping and
handling charges are generally less than the 7% sales tax I would pay
if I bought the book locally.  Given that and the regular discount,
the total charge has always been less than the list price of the book
(at least for me), and can be a lot less.

Hal Perkins                 hal@cs.cornell.edu
Cornell CS
Xref: sparky alt.books.technical:236 comp.protocols.snmp:590
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 16:42:03 CDT
From: Tim Eisler <U18983@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.books.technical,comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: SNMP publications


In article <q091PB2w165w@improb.cls.com>, jlw@improb.cls.com
(Jeff Wannamaker) says:
>              For the sake of past dialogue regarding the lack of
>written SNMP books, I am hoping to:
>
>(1) inform publishers about the deficiency of SNMP reference materials.
>
>(2) request others that know of commercially available SNMP manuals or
>    publications (not RFC's) to post a message identifying the
>    publisher and author.

Here's one:

    Title: The Simple Book
 SubTitle: An Introduction to Management of TCP/IP-based internets
   Author: Marshall T. Rose
Publisher: Prentice-Hall
     ISBN: 0-13-812611-9
CopyRight: 1991 by Prentice-Hall, a division of Simon&Schuster
  PubAddr: Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey 07632


Tim Eisler
Systems Programmer
Computer Center
University of Illinois at Chicago
Xref: sparky alt.books.technical:232 misc.books.technical:1327
From: rbatt@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Richard Batt)
Newsgroups: alt.books.technical,misc.books.technical
Subject: Re: book club
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:38:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.books.technical
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia

In article <1992Aug24.221759.14538@mtu.edu> vrkaramc@mtu.edu (Karamchedu) writes:
>arao@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Andy Rao) writes:
>>Does anybody know how good the Library of Science book club is?
>>(i think it is run by the people that publish scientific american)
>>do they have a good selection?  what about prices?

From the info given this sounds excellent. Does anyone have details of
the cost of joining, who to contact etc?

cheers,

Richard.
Newsgroups: alt.books.technical,misc.books.technical