HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Freshman Dorm... a review
Keywords: freshman dorm show sex
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:28:21 GMT

mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.073947.4082@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> tjoa@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Tjoa) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.154226.2472@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:

>>I agree.  In general, most people would rather be out in their own place,
>>but aren't because of $$ and the variability of rental units.

>Here in Bloomington, it's usually much cheaper to rent than to live in the
>dorm.  Yes, Freshmen have no choice but to live on campus or at home.

>I paid $525/month to live in a "big" dorm room, which normally would have
>been for two people.  I could've had a small room for $425/month (or a
>roommate).  However, the small room was ~7 feet wide and maybe 13 feet long.
>My room was nearly a 13x13 square.

>Renting, you can pay $200/month and live closer to the classes, but with
>other people.  I had to walk a mile to class, but that was fine with me.
>It's great exercise.

>Right now, I'm renting a trailer 2 miles out of town for $200/month.  I could
>get a fancy apartment for $400/month.

>Anyway, the bottom line is this: dorms are expensive.  I'd suggest renting
>for a number of reasons.

Unless you go to Stanford, situated in beautiful, expensive Palo Alto,
where housing prices are incredible and off-campus rental would be way
too expensive.  Oh well -- I guess that's why we have over 90% of
students on campus...

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: cb705@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason K. Green)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Freenet at CWRU ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:11:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Aug19.211158.26245
Reply-To: cb705@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason K. Green)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, mw4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Paul Wakefield) says:

>can anybody out there give me some info on freenet at case western?
>such as what is the address and how are userid's defined

The best way to learn about the  Cleveland Freenet is to try it.
The freenet has a visitor feature.  Just telnet to 

freenet-in-a.cwru.edu
freenet-in-b.cwru.edu
or
freenet-in-c.cwru.edu

and follow the menus

freenet login id's are two letters + three numbers 
	(example ad353)
administrator id's are xx + three numbers
The administrator addresses are listed in the help desk in the 
administration area.

to e-mail to the freenet
the addresses are loginid@cleveland.freenet.edu

Jason K. Green
cb705@cleveland.freenet.edu
jkg4286@hobbes.NebrWesleyan.edu
From: gt7237a@prism.gatech.EDU (Matt Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Fresno State
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:29:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Does anyone know if Fresno State has access to the Internet or e-mail?  
Thanks for any replies,
				Matt Le Blanc

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: egodoy@trauco.dcc.uchile.cl (GODOY VEGA EDUARDO SALVADOR)
Subject: BACKES !!
Originator: egodoy@trauco
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:12:35 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

 WHO KNOWS TO ANDREW BACKES FROM MILWAKEE !!!
I WANNA TO TALK WITH HIM !!

THANK !!

-- 
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  egodoy@dcc.uchile.cl                 | Ingenieria Civil Computacion      |
|  Eduardo Godoy Vega                   | U. de Chile.                      | 
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Xref: sparky soc.college:3660 comp.sys.mac.programmer:14325 misc.education:3188
From: orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne)
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.sys.mac.programmer,misc.education
Subject: Re: Computer Science Programs
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:00:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug21.170006.27329
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


  mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:
: Indeed.  Worse than the people I decribed in the previous paragraph are
: those who can't write even elementary algorithms, like sort routines.

  solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
: Any scheme course which allows somebody to pass without being able to
: make a sorting program is seriously deficient. The problem here is not
: the language, but the course.


  I took this to mean (in the light of the entire thread) that CS majors
should be able write simple sort routines without looking the algorithm up
first. It made me go off and check myself to see if I could write selection
and insertion sort on my own. I can, but I'm not sure that I can cite the
compares and swaps proportions for them off the top of my head.

  The point being that merely being able to type an algorithm in from a
book should not be the sole requirement. Understanding algorithms well
enough to implement them solo is better, of course. Knowing all of their
performance characteristics as well is ideal.

  As for implementng simple algorithms that run perfectly on the very first
compile, well... (Maybe I'm just too impatient? :^)

  Theus (orpheus@reed.edu)
Xref: sparky soc.college.grad:1711 soc.college.gradinfo:1177
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: PhD Qualifier Survey
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:24:38 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park


   As much as I too would like to avoid the qualifier (and I may
if I don't get admitted into the Ph.D. program, but that's
not exactly the way I want to do it),  I do see some benefits
in having it.  The main one is that it forces you to study
the fundamentals of the field in a good deal of depth.  Often
without the test, one might not be so inclined to learn the
material when there are other matters pressing.  After all,
how many people after taking the qualifying exam decide
to spend oodles of months figuring out some basic to some
ideas which is unrelated to research.

   However, I also think that the qualifier has to be kept
somewhat fair.  It ought to be consistent in the way
that some test like the SAT or GRE general exam is
consistent.  It shouldn't matter who is putting questions
on the exams, the kind of questions should be moderately
predictable.   It shouldn't be the case that there should
be some obscure topic taught by only one professor that
becomes a question on a qualifier.  One way might be
to have a strict reading list, and then have perhaps
a list of what is considered a major topic and minor ones.
Then, the solution to the exams should point out what 
sources were used to come up with the idea for the
question.    

     Sure one can have hard questions, but some questions
are hard but easily stated and don't use too much terminology.
Also, there ought to be some sort of grading guide so that
some points aren't being taken off too arbitrarily between
papers.   I know one professor who believes that all equations
should be derived from Maxwell's equations and is prepared to
take lots of points of if this is not done.   If you know
this ahead of time, you can prepare for it.  If not, then
you may think that some steps are obvious and shouldn't
have to be shown or known.

   So, I can see benefits in the qualifying exam which have
to be weighed against the kind of exam that is offered.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Statements of purpose
Keywords: SOP
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:56:51 GMT
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.

>In article <1992Aug12.023007.10597@sophia.smith.edu> smitra@sophia.smith.edu (Sramana Mitra) writes:

>been admitted to good schools. If some of you do have well-written
>(and hopefully successful) SOPs that you do not mind sharing, I would
>greatly appreciate it if you mail it to me. Any general guideline
>regarding what admission committees look for in SOPs is also welcome.


I was at the bookstore today and in the how to get into college
section was the following book.

Stelzer, Richard J., 1949-
How to write a winning personal statement for graduate and professional
school / Richard J. Stelzer.  Princeton, N.J. : Peterson's Guides, c1989.


It included samples.

With any lucky you soon be in graduate school and singing along
with the old Tom Lehrer tune, "Plagerize, Plagerize, Plagerize
... and call it Research".


mark
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From: kumar@billings.cs.unc.edu (Subodh Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Re: Statements of purpose
Keywords: SOP
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:05:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.college.grad
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Aug12.023007.10597@sophia.smith.edu> smitra@sophia.smith.edu (Sramana Mitra) writes:

>been admitted to good schools. If some of you do have well-written
>(and hopefully successful) SOPs that you do not mind sharing, I would
>greatly appreciate it if you mail it to me. Any general guideline
>regarding what admission committees look for in SOPs is also welcome.

I think it would be a good idea to post any such SOP available.
-- 
	You can either win or lose - there is no third option.
Subodh Kumar		Department of Computer Science 
			University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
			NC 27599 	Tel: (919) 962-1943
From: aec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alistair Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: PhD Qualifier Survey
Keywords: Schools Grad Graduate PhD Doctoral Qualifier Exam
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:44:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <nh2m9t_.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>The idea that students should design the PhD Qualifier Exam, even in
>part, is equivalent to putting the inmates in charge of the asylum.
>That a student group proposes this is arrogance run amok.

The idea that graduate students would have no voice in controlling
this very important aspect of their scholarly careers is frightening
to say the least.  If indeed only 3 out of 20 students are passing the
quals, then something is clearly wrong with the testing system and the
students have every right to investigate alternatives.  The only
arrogance I see would be on the part of the faculty members (if any)
who refuse to recognize this right.  And the only way we grad students
will ever be properly compared to inmates in an asylum is when we are
driven insane by policies which treat us like third-graders.

		Alistair

---
Alistair Campbell
Department of Computer Science
SUNY at Buffalo
From: mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: PhD Qualifier Survey
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:19:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.

In article <JBARNETT.92Aug20150241@vashi.WPI.EDU> jbarnett@vashi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan R Barnett) writes:
>
>One might even question why do we need a qualifier?  It seems to me
>that if you are admitted to a graduate program, you ought to be
>qualified enough to pursue a degree.  If schools tightened up on the
>admission process, they wouldn't need such exams.  It is my
>understanding that this is the policy used in some of the best schools
>in the country (although sad to say, not at WPI)

Having a qualifier allows universities to take a chance.  Its
fine that some school are willing to say we admit you and
thats that.  The best schools are turing away people they
might like to accept.  But I think it excludes too many 
people in the "good potential" catagory to make the 
admission policy that tight everywhere.

Not everyone know what they want to do as they are working 
their way thru a BS.  Maybe they don't catch fire until their 
last semester senior year and discover that computing not 
chemistry is what they want to do.  Or, maybe they have been 
working for a while and now have the maturity and vision to 
complete a PhD program.  That show of promise is present on 
their application, but its not a sure thing.  They need a 
chance to prove themselves.

Why should the admission process exclude these people?

Sure the qualifiers were a pain in the butt, but I, for one, 
sure gained a lot from studying for them.

The processes that follow the qualifiers (getting grants,
getting papers accepted, getting hired for jobs, getting 
tenure) are just as much subject to human folly.  You are
right in wanting to reform it, but its just not a matter
of rubber checking one decision made by an admission
committee.

mark
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (and a thousand battles shall be won..)
Subject: Information needed on Center
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:56:29 GMT


Hi,

Can anyone give me any information (including address) of a:

Center for Partnership Studies in Pacific Grove, California.

Riane Eisler is the co-director (author of 'The Chalice and
the Blade - our history , our future).

Thanks in advance,

Vera B.
From: binlee@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: GRADUATE STUDY IN FINANCE
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:23:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hi,all your guys:

   My friend will get his  master degree from EE,and he is going to apply for 
graduate study for Ph.D in finance or marketing.Can any of you tell us if it 
possible for him to get financial aid in above area with his EE background,
and which graduate school will you suggest him to apply.He would like to do
finance and marketing research with extensive application of maths and computer
Since I don't read the news regularly,would you plaese send email to me. 

Many thanks in advance!

B.Lee


Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: jbarnett@vashi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan R Barnett)
Subject: Re: PhD Qualifier Survey
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<Bt8rxo.KKJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:02:41 GMT


> In article <nh2m9t_.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
> >
> >The idea that students should design the PhD Qualifier Exam, even in
> >part, is equivalent to putting the inmates in charge of the asylum.
> >That a student group proposes this is arrogance run amok.
> 
> The idea that graduate students would have no voice in controlling
> this very important aspect of their scholarly careers is frightening
> to say the least.  If indeed only 3 out of 20 students are passing the
> quals, then something is clearly wrong with the testing system and the
> students have every right to investigate alternatives.  The only
> 		Alistair
One might even question why do we need a qualifier?  It seems to me
that if you are admitted to a graduate program, you ought to be
qualified enough to pursue a degree.  If schools tightened up on the
admission process, they wouldn't need such exams.  It is my
understanding that this is the policy used in some of the best schools
in the country (although sad to say, not at WPI)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN AND NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF WPI, THE
         FPE DEPARTMENT, OR ANY ORGANIZATION I AM AFFILIATED WITH
   Dr. Jonathan R. Barnett                       |  jbarnett@wpi.wpi.edu
      Assistant Professor                        |  
      Fire Protection Engineering                |  Work: (508) 831-5113
   Interests: Fire, backpacking, cats, Theta Chi |  Home: (508) 754-2898
   Member: Salamander Honorary Society, SFPE, ASCE, ASME, NFPA, ASTM
   Editor: The Journal of Fire Protection Engineering
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: fotedar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sanjay Fotedar)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Need info on ECFMG  and  UNLE exams (medical students)
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:06:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


 Hi, I need info on the ECFMG exam which overseas medical students have to pass
 to carry on graduate studies here.

 What is the format of this exam and is it being scrapped soon ??
 
 An exam called UNLE is to be given instead of the ECFMG  ??

 What is the difference between these exams ??? 

 Is there an address & tel. no. for the organisation conducting these exams ?

 Thanks

 Sanjay
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: Statements of purpose
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 23:11:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: SOP

mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson) writes:
>I was at the bookstore today and in the how to get into college
>section was the following book.

>Stelzer, Richard J., 1949-
>How to write a winning personal statement for graduate and professional
>school / Richard J. Stelzer.  Princeton, N.J. : Peterson's Guides, c1989.

you might find it in your library (LB2351.52 .U6 S74 1989) or in
your academic advising dept.

>It included samples.

most of which are ok.  it also includes a section on "advice from
admissions repr. from leading prof. & grad schools" which specializes
in B schools, med school, law school, and "other selected grad
programs" like IR, english, EE, and Bio.  its a good book, but borrow
it rather than buying it :-)

as i was reading it i abstracted the salient points which i'm happy to
reproduce for you.  these are notes, use your imagination.

not too modest, but not too self-glorifying
clear, concise, balance thorough vs. terse, balance detail vs. superficial
thoughtful & honest: be yourself
don't try to psych-out, stereotype or decide what the reader wants
take slight risks, dont be too cautious
stress/enhance your uniquenesses, distinctiveness, originality, but no gimmicks
presentation--spelling, grammer, looks, organization-- must be exemplary
stick to limits (words/pages)
show your personality, interests, problem solving ability; be personal
your essay should fit your personality & be consistent with your application
not a list of accomplishments
concentrate on your immediate past & future, not distant P & F
dont portray yourself as running away from something, but as heading towards
express your own sense of what's important
be natural 
answer the question
be careful & accurate
persuasive & compelling
show a lack of naivete
business-like & simple
use a seperately typped sheet.

>With any lucky you soon be in graduate school and singing along
>with the old Tom Lehrer tune, "Plagerize, Plagerize, Plagerize
>... and call it Research".

only using one source is plagerism; two or more is research!!

hope this helps

if anyone is interested in forming a small group of folks to read & critique
each others SOPs, let me know.

-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: yucao001@sirius.spd.louisville.edu (Yu Cao)
Subject: e-mail addr for CS CSE EE grad program??
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:59:57 GMT

Hi, everyone,

It's season for hunting schools again. Does anyone have some e-mail addr
for CS, or CSE or EE graduate programs? I got some for CS:

	MIT:                     corbato@xx.lcs.mit.edu
	U of Washington:         grad-admission@cs.washington.edu
	U of Kansas:             bulgren@csvax.cs.ukans.edu
	Caltech:                 dian@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu
	Boston Univ.:            rmb@bu-cs.bu.edu
	U of california,Davis:   matloff@iris.ucdavis.edu
	
Not really tried, though.

Thanks in advance.

Yu
From: haneins@acf3.nyu.edu (shirley hanein)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: info on grad admissions in israel
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:04:58 GMT
Organization: New York University

i'm interested in continuing my grad studies in israel. however,
i'm not sure if there are any programs that i can transfer my
credits to -- i'm in  a program for environmental education.
furthermore, i'm not sure of admissions processes. 

does anyone out there know what to do?

and, i have taken a loan out for last year. if i want to change
programs (or schools) can i defer payment? what about leave of
absense? does that depend on the lender or my school.

thanks in advance.

shirley
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haneins@acfcluster.nyu.edu		haneins@acf3.nyu.edu
=============================================================================
From: cson@almaak.usc.edu (Christian Son)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Looking for a housing at Cornell
Date: 14 Aug 1992 02:05:01 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

Hi, fellows...

I am going to master of engineering program at Cornell this fall but, 
I don't have a housing yet. If you are living in that area and looking for
a roommate or know someone who is looking, please send me a e-mail.

	cson@almaak.usc.edu

I will take any housing info. also.  Thanks a lot.

Chris
From: jtu@berlioz.nsc.com (James Tu)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Need email list for EE grad programs
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:22:06 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

I am looking for an e-mailing list for EE grad programs here in the US.
Please repond by posting and sending a copy to :

jtu@berlioz.nsc.com     AND    sgu@cornella.cit.cornell.edu

Thanks a lot.

-J2-
From: slk3s@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: A place in Boston
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:36:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Feamle graduate student to attend Harvard GSD in the fall is looking for a
place to live in Boston.  Would like to rent or share apartment/ house,
preferably within walking distance from Harvard.  Please respond to this
address or call Elisabeta from 9 to 5 Mountain time at (801) 7503748
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: tuku@IASTATE.EDU (Sukanta K Mishra)
Subject: HELP NEEDED IN CAD/CAM 
Reply-To: tuku@IASTATE.EDU (Sukanta K Mishra)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:17:04 GMT


Hi friends,
	I would feel very much privileged if somebody can send me the 
latest rankings in Indusrial engg and also in Mechanical engg.
	I am presently doing M.S. in Industial Engg.(with specialization
in CAD/CAM, Manufacturing) at Iowa State Univ. I would like to pursue Ph. D.
in the same area. It would be very helpful to receive any expert advice from
those of you who are already doing specialization in the same field. I would
certainly appreciate any necessary suggestions regarding good schools in the
relevant area of research and may be with good funding potential.  
Thanks.
	Sukanta Mishra
	(tuku@iastate.edu)
From: PNCSPPC@CCVAX1.CC.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Low-Cost Health Insurance
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:40:26 GMT

What are the best deals out there for health insurance?  Cost is rather
important to me because I'm on a tight budget.  Previously I was covered
by student health insurance.  But now I am between degree programs and I
need a new policy to tide me over until the fall of '93.  Thanks in
advance for any help (which would be greatly appreciated).
 
Phil Calvert
 
<Bitnet: pncsppc@ncsuvax / Internet: pncsppc@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: bondir@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (RICHARD BONDI)
Subject: Health Insurance Increases
Summary: Advice sought to fight student body health ins. increases
Keywords: Health Insurance Protest
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:11:18 GMT

University of Virginia Health Insurance costs:
Year Before Last: $280
Last Year: $360
This Year: $480, a 33% increase.

Furthermore, there is plenty this plan doesn't even cover, like for example 
injuries obtained in a car accident.  Incredible but true.

We want to fight this, somehow.  Does anyone out there know of any 
successful student body/university campaigns against health insurance 
increases?

Please send email to rsb5c@Virginia.edu if not posting answers.

Thank you in advance.

Richard Bondi, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, University of Virginia.
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad