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From: john@ice.stx.com (John DiMarzio)
Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
Reply-To: john@ice.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:25:54 GMT

In article <1ic8brINNs68@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>, fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz) writes:
}John DiMarzio (john@ice.stx.com) wrote:
}: I don't personally own one, but, my brother has a Welbilt model 
}: that came highly reccommended.
}
}Different strokes, I guess.  I have a low opinion of the DAK/Welbilt machines.
}Here's my standard posting on that:
}
}
}From my observations of several years of DAK-comments on the net, 
}including following the entire history of the bread-machine mailing list:
}(note, the list is now defunct, so don't bother asking how to subscribe)
}
}  - I don't recall EVER seeing a complaint for Hitachi, Panasonic,
}    Zojirushi, et al breadmakers.  I DO recall seeing comments and
}    recommendations from *many* happy owners of these machines.
}
}  - Many owners of DAK/Welbilt breadmakers are happy with their machines.
}
}  - MANY owners of DAK/Welbilt breadmakers are NOT happy with their
}    machines, myself included.  I have heard many dozens of complaints,
}    ranging from "it started making gooey-centered bread" to "it locked up
}    while baking, filled my house with smoke, and melted the plastic casing
}    before I got home and pulled the plug on it."
}
}  - The people who had problems with DAK/Welbilt machines have had virtually
}    NO satisfaction from the DAK and Welbilt "customer service" organizations,
}    ranging from "couldn't call the number, I tried for weeks and it was
}    always busy" to "They sent me back the same machine with no apparent
}    fixes or improvement."
}
}  - Many, many people have sent their machines in for repairs and had it
}    replaced, or were so unsatisfied with their machines that they just
}    returned them.  My conjecture is that these unsatisfactory machines
}    are "buffed up" and sold as "reconditioned" models.  (If they didn't
}    fix the damn things when they were repeatedly sent in for repair while
}    under warrantee, why would they fix them before reselling them?)
}
}My conclusion from the above, AND the frequent complaints on the net
}about DAK's service, products, hype, etc., is that I would definitely
}recommend that someone spend the $30 to $100 more to get a *good*
}breadmaker.  Get one that you can enjoy, and avoid the ruined loaves,
}frustration, returns for repair, etc.  It's WORTH the extra money.
}
}Gary

Welbilt products are not made exclusively for DAK and are not available
exclusively through DAK.  DAK often markets remanufactured products.  
Sometimes without even labelling them as such.  My brother's Breadmaker
did not come from DAK and has performed well since he got it.

John DiMarzio  
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From: wcurtiss@travis.csd.harris.com (William Curtiss)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rechargable Battery Source Needed (and a Query)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:45:09 -0500
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: na
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In article <1993Jan4.150614.6635@kodak.kodak.com> marulli@kodak.kodak.com (Dave x71244/RDCS/2-205-KO) writes:
>
>Also, does anyone have hints about uses of NiCads?

NiCads are great for photoflashes, but make sure you have a second pair.
It seems that NiCads dump their energy quicker than alkalines.  This results
in quicker "cycle" times for the flash.  (A very compelling reason to use
NiCads in flashes, versus other types of batteries.)  The downside is that
NiCads do not taper off when they get weak, like other types of batteries --
they just pretty much flat-out quit. You don't get the warning you do with
other types, i.e. longer and longer cycle times.  For this reason, if you
depend on your flash, keep a second pair handy and charged.

> ... In addition, my Mom's point and shoot 35MM camera has
>a 'No NiCad' symbol in the battery compartment.

Does it have a flash?  It may then be related to the above reason.  The
batteries give another change, then they're spent and can't advance the motor.
Then, installing new batteries may confuse the camera.  Did it just take a
picture and should advance or not?  Maybe the dump rate it too fast for the
flash?  This is all just conjecture, though.

>Anything anyone knows would be a help.  Thanks!

-- 
--
DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed here are my own; | 
     they in no way reflect the opinion or policies | wcurtiss@csd.harris.com
     of Harris Corporation nor John Hartley.        |
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From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:44:53 GMT

I knew this would eventually happen:

In article <thomasd.59.726252693@tps.COM> thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day) writes:
| In article <1993Jan4.201248.4828@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
| 
| >Ever hear of Harley-Davidson? It's conveniently located (at least, 
| >corporate headquarters) right there in "the formerly strong midwest of this 
| >country".
| 
| I really don't think using Harley as evidence that U.S. companies are 
| capable of competing is valid.  Harley sells a marginal quality, specific 
| market motorcycle to people who have more money than sense.  In no area is 
| Harley able to field a motorcycle that can compete with the Japanese 
| majors.  Harley exists for its value as a keepsake, not as a motorcycle.  
| For instance, Harley makes a bike that is matched in performance and 
| function by all of the Japanese manufacturers, but Harley doesn't make a 
| sport touring bike, a dirt bike, or a multi-purpose bike.  Harley isn't 
| even the lowest cost, highest quality producer in their small niche.  In 
| effect, they are making the same bike they have been making for 50 years 
| with minor "improvements."  They are in the same status vehicle group as 
| Rolls Royce.  
| 
| Because they have been successful in finding a small niche of 
| the motorcycle market to participate in and are the sole American 
| manufacturer in that market, they are a popular benchmark for American 
| manufacturing success.  They are less of a success than is popularly 
| believed.  
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery"
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:01:16 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) writes:

>What's the difference between a dill pickle and a Kosher dill pickle,
>other than rabbinical supervision?  In the supermarket, the ingredient
>lists on the two jars are identical, as are the prices, but the Kosher
>bottle also includes several dozen small yellow spheroids that I don't
>recognize.

I'm neither Jewish nor an expert on kosher food, but I'll pass along
some recollections I have from growing up with a father who ran a
cheese factory which produced some Kosher product.

Some states (maybe all? maybe FDA?) restrict use of the term "Kosher"
such that it may appear only on products which are, in fact, certified
Kosher by a rabbinical organization.  There are more than one of
these, though they may all have reciprocity agreements.

However - it's possible that your kosher pickle may in fact be a "kosher
_style_ dill", which refers to a recipe/flavor/preparation method
traditionally associated with Kosher pickles.  

Assuming it's really Kosher, certified under rabbinical supervision,
the differences probably are:

- most likely absolutely no difference in ingredients.
- possibly, though not likely, some preparation differences.

Kosher refers to more than ingredients, some standards of cleanliness
and methodology are required.  These standards are more complicated
for animal products, extending to the method of slaughter.  And even
for primarily vegetable products, all the component ingredients,
methods, containers, and material which ever touches the product must
be certified kosher.

With our cheese, it was easiest to make ALL the cheese according to
Kosher methods, using all Kosher ingredients, etc. Even though only a
fraction of it was labelled as Kosher, it was, in fact, all Kosher.  I
expect that many certified food products also use this method.

The requirements weren't difficult, as I recall; the most troublesome
element was rennet (made from cow entrails of some sort).  It was
difficult to get Kosher rennet, but possible - and very little is
used in making farmer's cheese.  Other than this, the only changes in
the cheese plant were having an inspection every few months, at a
fairly reasonable cost.

--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: Washer,Dryer,Fridge & Stove All At Once!
Organization: OSF Research Institute
	<1993Jan5.164750.20041@wybbs.mi.org>
	<1993Jan5.210123.26528@informix.com> <1993Jan6.140244.24023@crd.ge.com>
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:09:37

In article <1993Jan6.140244.24023@crd.ge.com> meltsner@crd.ge.com (Kenneth J. Meltsner) writes:

   As to noise of washers, CR rated the top-end Kitchen-Aid as the
   quietest washer.

CR has the nasty habit of not reviewing the full range of products,
and not even mentioning their existence.  Asko Asea dishwashers are
far quieter than Kitchenaid, for instance.  They also cost a lot more.

	-s
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: shall@obiwan.nosc.mil (Scott R. Hall)
Subject: Wanted: Info on Z-33 and Z-45 Zenith upgrade
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:51:17 GMT

I would like any information I can get on the Z-33, and Z-45 motherboards  
for Zenith upgrades. Especially from people who have used these products,  
and have information on advantages and drawbacks. Thanks in advance.

Scott
From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Chase Visa Gold -- your opinion wanted.
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:27:07 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated
In-reply-to: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu's message of 8 Jan 93 23:13:48 GMT

There are lots of free gold cards available these days, the major
difference is in interest rate, and I bet Chase is pretty high!
This months Money magazine lists cards that are guaranteed to be free
for life (with certain conditions, like transferring an existing
credit card balance).


--
				Bernard Silver
				GTE Laboratories
				bsilver@gte.com
				(617) 466-2663
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From: sean@cobra.dra.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.legal,soc.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: How does a PI locate somebody?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:59:22 CST
Organization: Data Research Associates, Inc.

In article, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>A friend tells me that she used the services of a private
>investigator to locate a boyfriend from high school days (25
>years ago), mainly out of curiosity as to what had become of
>him. She paid the PI something around $150-$200 for this, as I
>recall, contingent on success in the search. 

Your friend overpaid.  It normally costs less than $25 to locate an adult
in the U.S. unless they are trying not to be found.  Men tend to be very
easy to locate in the U.S., women are a bit harder for a variety of reasons.
The most expensive part of the whole process is likely the telephone bill
for long-distance calls to verify that you've located the correct person.

-- 
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
From: bp816@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Krivis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Fleece (polyester pile type) Robes
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:15:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Beans had a fleece robe, but I don't know if they still carry
it. I think Land's End has them too.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Electric razors
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:16:39 GMT

  I first started reading misc.consumers just in time to see the
last few messages of the previous electric shaver thread.  Rather
than ask you all to repeat the previous discussion:  could someone
who saved those messages mail them to me?  Alternatively, is this
newsgroup archived?  Thanks.
-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: ajg@controls.ccd.harris.com (Arnold Goldberg)
Subject: WHAT'S A DEFUND? (WAS:Re: Levi Strauss DEFUNDS Boy Scouts)
Organization: Harris Controls and Compositions
	<1993Jan2.091653.792@druid.uucp>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:25:47 GMT


subject says all

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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:50:37 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 28902@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>In article <1iepa2INNnav@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>>Simple.  Every rental agreement I've ever seen has the simple clause,
>>"tenant agrees to all terms of this agreement, as may be from time to
>>time reasonably amended by the management, with 30 days written
>>notice," or something to that effect.
>
>Perhaps with a month-to-month tenancy, but with a lease, how could this
>stand up in court?  A contract must specify the obligations of both
>parties.  By making the obligations vague in this manner, it seems to
>me (no legal expert) that this is no legal contract.

You seriously believe no contract is written that allows one or the
other party to change its terms?!?  There is nothing wrong with it, IT
IS IN THE CONTRACT!  The tenant agrees to the possibility of change in
terms, and the restrictions on such change, when he signs the thing!

>>Theft attractiveness via holding large amounts of cash on a regular
>>schedule is a legitimate concern.  If the 7-11 doesn't have to accept
>>your $100 bill after dark, your landlord is certainly not going to be
>>forced to accept six of them, from multiple parties, on the same day.
>
>The difference is that the 7-11 is not obligated to do business with
>you.  The landlord, once he/she has signed the lease, is obligated to
>do business for the duration of the lease.  If the lease specifies
>payment to be made by check or money order then fine, but otherwise it
>seems like cash should be acceptable.

The landlord is obligated by exactly and precisely what is stated in
the contract, no more and no less (except for applicable laws).  He is
not "obligated to do business for the duration of the lease" if the
tenant terminates the lease by breaking any clause contained in it.  If
the contract allows him to adopt new policies, he may do so, under
whatever restrictions are in the contract (advance notice, etc.).

Dig out your insurance policy and read it.  I'll bet you a dollar to a
doughnut there is a similar clause in there somewhere.  They specify
they reserve the right to amend the lease in any way they wish, so long
as you are notified in writing n days in advance.  They probably also
state that them mailing the notice constitutes you having received it!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Canadian proof (not) that taxation lowers cigarette consumption
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:18:33 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson) writes:

>illegal things to get the smokes they need. Nicotine is no different than
>pot or cocaine or alcohol or gambling, .... it gives SOME people a fix they
>just can't live without.

I must disagree with this sentence.  Gambling and marijuana produce no
physiological dependence or physiological withdrawal symptoms.
There's dispute over whether cocaine does.  Nicotine and alcohol
definitely produce physical addiction and withdrawal.
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein)
Subject: Re: Remote Control Extender(tm)
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:30:51 GMT

"Joseph S. Mertz" <jm7l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> Damark is advertising a "REMEX Klone/BC, Remote Control Extender"
> which supposedly allows you to extend the control of your TV/VCR
> remote to all areas of your house.

They should.  My understand is that they use RF (radio frequencies)
rather than the infrared remotes commonly in use.  This would be
similar to a cordless phone.

Bruce K.

-- 
Bruce C. Klopfenstein             |  klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu
Department of Telecommunications  |  klopfenstein@bgsuopie.bitnet
Bowling Green State University    |  (419) 372-2138; 372-2224 
Bowling Green, OH  43403-0235     |  fax (419) 372-8600
From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Who prints personalized bank checks?
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:04:55 GMT
Distribution: misc.consumers
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

In article <1993Jan3.044711.6509@brtph560.bnr.ca> bhaskar@brtph181.bnr.ca (Shaji Bhaskar) writes:
>In article <C08t55.H3w@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Hostetler) writes:
>>
>>	I'm about out of checks and need some more.  
>
>By coincidence, I just sent off to one such company after I saw an ad
>in my local newspaper. 
>
>Their address is: Checks in the Mail, P.O. Box 7802, Irvine, CA 91706.
>They also promise a free brochure if you call 1-800-733-4443.

Make sure you have plenty of checks left before you use Checks in the
Mail.  In recent months, they've been known to take 4 to 6 weeks to get
your order to you.  Too bad; they used to be prompt.

Charleen

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,athena.misc
From: bjaspan@athena.mit.edu (Barry Jaspan)
Subject: Re: HELP: how to setup a small corporation/business CHEAP????
Keywords: help corporation setup cheap
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:41:45 GMT

You are not going to get a decent answer to this question in this forum.  The
issues involved in deciding between a sole proprietorship, an S corporation,
or a corporation are complicated.  Trust me: I've done it, and I assure you
that you want to be as informed as possible.

Go to a bookstore or library and do some research.  One good series of books
is "Owning and Operating a Business in <State Name>" (or maybe it is "Starting
and Operating..."), which is distributed in a full-sized three-ring binder. 
I'm sure there are many other good books, too.

-- 
Barry Jaspan, bjaspan@mit.edu
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:11:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1id37uINN97d@sumax.seattleu.edu, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:
>
>As it says on our money, "This note is Legal Tender for all Debts,
>Public and private."  

It also says, "In God We Trust."  The two are equally meaningless.

>I am not certain if this is legal or not... I suspect that a landloard
>CAN specify IN ADVANCE that the terms of the rental are no cash, but I
>doubt that he or she can do so after the rental agreement has been
>established.

Simple.  Every rental agreement I've ever seen has the simple clause,
"tenant agrees to all terms of this agreement, as may be from time to
time reasonably amended by the management, with 30 days written
notice," or something to that effect.

Theft attractiveness via holding large amounts of cash on a regular
schedule is a legitimate concern.  If the 7-11 doesn't have to accept
your $100 bill after dark, your landlord is certainly not going to be
forced to accept six of them, from multiple parties, on the same day.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: knight@netcom.com (John Knight)
Subject: Re: Which answering machine?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:14:51 GMT

cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:

>I want to buy a new answering machine with at least the following features:
>	...

>Any quick recommendations?  I may even buy it tonight (Wednesday 1/6).

AVOID PHONEMATE!!!!

I purchased one from Fry's Electronics, got it home, found it was defective,
returned it for another of the same model, which has slowly been going down-
hill ever since.

While it does have a nice feature set and price, it frequently cuts off
people leaving messages (so they have to call back again) as well as sometimes
forgetting to play the outgoing message.

I have been in contact with their customer support, there line is always busy,
and it is not a toll free number.  When speaking to them, insist that it is a
installation error, (but if I want, I can ship it to L.A. and they will check 
it out; leaving me w/o an answering machine).  It's a big mess.

I've been considering "The Message Center" from Pacific Bell.  Has anyone had
any experience with them?

knight
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From: prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:44:16 GMT

if they are small they may be mustard seeds

Newsgroups: misc.consumers