From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: Collies and Kilts
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:49:44 GMT

In article <1ee0ogINN7oe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>In a previous article, saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski K-9's)) says:
>
>>
>>Well, I back again to pester you netters with a few more questions.
>>First of all, does anyone know of someone in Scotland that breeds and
>>trains collies?  I'm looking for a breeder/trainer of the old Scotch 
>>Collie, not the Border collie.  (the Scotch collie is the "Lassie" type).
>>I'm specifically looking for someone who still uses their collies for
>>herding (although they are probably not the premere herding dog, I'm
>>still looking for one.)  If I could have a name and address that would
>>be great!
>>
>>Secondly, does anyone know what colours the kilts and tartans are
>>for the Eliot clan?  I've recently had a short conversation
>>with my grandma, and she said that there is/was and Elliot clan
>>that came down from the Highlands.  Also, if you know that clan
>>Symbol that would be great!  
>>    
>>    (PS  before you suggest I look for collies in the US, I
>>    already have three for US stock, and they can't herd
>>    well!  I want some new genes!!!)
>>
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>>Marla Belzowski     saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>>Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
>>Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TD{ CERF  tri-color collies
>>Legend's Year of Jubilee    sable & white collie
>>
>>

>Marla,
>
>The only thing that is Scotch is whiskey.  Everything else is
>either Scottish or Scot's. This is a great way to antagonize
>a Scot.
>
>Evelyn
>-- 
>
Look it up in the AKC or UKC dog book.  The "Lassie" type collie
is known as the "Scotch Collie".  The name collie is believed to come
for the black faced Scottish sheep known as "coalies" in the Early
1800's.  The origional Scottish highland Collies were black and white
and very similar to the Border collies of today.  The "Lassie" type 
collie became popular around 1860.   The origional color of the
Scotch collie was black, white and tan (tri-color), and blue-merle and
white (very stange color -- like blue and black marble with white
markings).  The Tan and white or Sable and White color was not an origional
color.  Collies were once regarded as Shepard's curs and were considered
dogs of the lower class and feared like the current "pit-bull" craize of
today.  When Queen Victoria took a liking to them, the collie became the
pampered pet of the aristocrat.  The first registed collie, Old Cockie,
was of unknown origin and the first sable and white collie of
his time.  All Sable and white collies trace back to him, and I venture
to say over 99% of show collies trace back to him also.  If you
want to know more about one of the beloved pets of the Scots, I'd be
happy to tell you about them over e-mail (so we don't bore the rest
of the net with this).

Oh, yeah, by the way that's Whisky not "Whiskey" if you mean the
Scottish kind.   ;)  (As I sit here sipping my Glenlivet -- Imported
Scottish, 12 year, single malt WHISKY!)


Cheers!!

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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  Sable and white collie