HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:22:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.012931.103@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>: My SO, on the other hand, has completely lost patience with the
>: pace and quality of service in the UK, *and* he is completely
>: smoke-intolerant.  Luckily we didn't have to eat out together
>: very many times.  :-)  He also created quite a ruckus at the
>: village whist drive by requesting that the girl at his table
>: not inhale in his face.  I wanted to slide under the table.
>
>  You are remarkably tolerant - MY wife would be pretty angry if another
>woman INhaled in my face in public (or private, come to that)
>
>

Well, he *was* asking her not to.  :-)
From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:24:52 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

Some more:

Paddy Ashdown (Cheated on wife but trusted to run party)
Lloyd George (Cheated on wife but trusted to run country)
Michael Havers (Former Attorney/Solicitor General) Had to resign I think?
Heseltine/Brittan (One of them was definitely lying about Sikorski)
John Nott (Lied about Belgrano - repeatedly)
Kenneth Clarke (Hasn't read Maastricht Treaty)
Norman Tebbit (Has read Maastricht Treaty but obviously didn't read SEA)
Minister for Transport at time of Lockerbie (Can't remember name but part of
Guinnless clan)
Howe,Lawson,Major,Lamont ("bottoming out", "upturn around the corner", etc.)
The sleezeball from Liverpool who advertises Sekonda watches
The woman who runs Westminster City Council
North Cornwall District Council Planning Committee


Nick.
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:29:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BvxI9L.51o@CAM.ORG> dunn@CAM.ORG (Ray Dunn) writes:
~In referenced article, h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers) writes:
~>Another one of my favourites is Culzean Castle (or Glamis).
~
~I hope this isn't meant to suggest that Culzean and Glamis is one and
~the same castle?  Culzean is not quite old enough!
~
~>By the way, something different, what's the correct pronunciation of
~>the name "John Menzies"?
~
~To me it's always been "Mingis", but I was reading something,
~somewhere, just recently about something, no, about the fact that
~since the John Menzies chain has spread south of the border they have
~decided that the obvious pronounciation should be used.

But but but......

In "Another Country", excellent film about Guy Burgess at Eton, all the little
English chappies say "Mingis", so that pronunciation seems to be current in at
least *some* circles in England.


-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
                        Naetmagen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tim@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com
 (Tim Phipps)
Subject: Names of naughty politicians
Reply-To: tim%hpcpbla.bri.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Computer Peripherals Division, Bristol, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:56:09 GMT


Thanks everyone,
	When confronted with the list of possible hostnames we all decided
to give up with the theme idea, which is what I wanted.  Now I can call my
computer computer.

Cheers,
Tim.

PS Here's the list (names over 8 characters could not be used)
Archer
Ashdown
Best
Blunt
Bough
Brittan
Brookes
Brown
Burgess
Delorean
Fergie
Hatton
Havers
Kagan
Keeler
Lewellyn
Lucan
Maclean
Maudling
Maxwell
Mellor
Payne
Philby
Poulson
Proctor
Profumo
Rackman
Ridley
Rowlands
Saunders
Smith
Thorpe
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:14225 alt.politics.british:288 soc.culture.celtic:6849
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:55:11 GMT
	<cmp0136.718987750@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk>
	<1992Oct13.232949.16429@maths.tcd.ie>
	<1992Oct14.073008.12777@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
	<Bw5orA.7LM@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <Bw5orA.7LM@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:

     I wish this was true.  But the English government has no only political
     and economic control of the place,  which they are not willing to release,
     but there is no way to resist their efforts.

There is one way - get the people of Northern Ireland to vote against
Northern Ireland's current status.  So far most of them have been pretty
happy with it the way it is.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:16:09 GMT

In article <JIM.92Oct15112650@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk>, jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
|> For example Royal Ordnance was sold for #50M (I think) when the land
|> around just 1 of its factories was worth more than that. BAe, owners
|> of RO, are now asset-stripping.

|> Taxpayers 0, BAe shareholders 1

... but the Govt. also managed to get shot of that Albatross called the
Austin-Rover group to the self same BAe.

Taxpayers 1, BAe shareholders --- 0.5

Now you might argue that the Govt. had also invested a lot of taxpayers
money in Rover Group.  However as no Govt. ever seems to run car companies
at a profit it's better to be shot of it.  I mean it's such a small company
now that you couldn't even say it was a strategic industry.

If BAe do turn Rover Group around they will pay taxes on the profits they make.

Taxpayers 2, BAe shareholders - 1.


How about the thought of giving private companies money ?  Well beats giving
it to nationalised companies if you ask me.  Another question, just who are
Britain's biggest shareholders ?  Lord Hanson ? Duke of Westminster ?  NO
the pension funds, that means anyone from a Miner (or ex miner) to a Director
could be a shareholder in BAe.  As people with private or company pension funds
must by definition, be taxpayers we can say:

Taxpayers 2.5, BAE shareholders - 2.


You see the world isn't so black and white as you'll'd paint it, but then being
at Uni. you can be excused for not having seen too much of it.


David.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:36:00 GMT

In article <Bvrq5o.4AM@math.uwaterloo.ca>, arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper writes...
> 
>Hmm.  Self-flaming.  Is this a particularly British kind of thing?
> 
>Adrian.
>arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca

Absolutely.  It is a kind of masochism, what the French like to call the
English disease.  They teach it at British public schools.  In my opinion
it is the reason that Mrs Thatcher became Prime Minister and remained in
power for so long.

Laurence
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:02:08 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <26839@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
> hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne) writes:
> 
>>In <26798@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>>>[...] *compulsory* contribution to welfare is wrong.
> 
>>As a point of interest: are you also against compulsory contribution to
>>defence?
> 
> No, I'm not. the main difference between minarchists (most libertarians)
> and anarchists is that minarchists believe that the state is necessary to
> provide defence of people's rights and property. That requires the
> Police, an army, and a Justice system. 

So you think it's alright to beat the population into submission, but not to
help them get up afterwards?
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:17:47 GMT

In article <thos.718421370@suite.sw.oz.au>, thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
> In <1992Oct2.145442.14354@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> 
> >Daan Sandee writes:
> 
> >Wrong!!  Chris Malcolm said that a LORY was an Australasian parrot.
> >As any decent English or American dictionary will tell you.
> 
> Ahem. Actually a lorikeet. I've never heard them called "Lory"s before.

Try using a dictionary. I did, it was right there, spelt Lory.
 
> What do people over in the UK call Tractor-trailer rigs (to use the 
> American parlance)? We call them Semi's (from semi-trailer or
> semi-articulated, which doesn't really make a lot of sense).

Juganaut perhaps?

Simon.

-- 
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  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
  2 Avenue De Vignate				Email: sp@gr.osf.org
  38610 Gieres, France				       uunet!gr.osf.org!sp
From: nroworth@nl.oracle.com (Nick Roworth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 Longwave
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:46:21 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <1992Oct8.134220.17155@edscom.demon.co.uk>, rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk
(Richard Tomlinson) writes:

|>I
|>would also point out that people outside the UK should not enter the argument
|>as they don't pay a licence fee. Remember that the World Service is paid for
|>by the foreign office.

The only people who pay a licence fee are those with televisions. So what you 
are suggesting is that only those people with televisions, who might not listen
to or watch any BBC programs, should be allowed to decide what the rest of us
have to listen to on Radio 4 Longwave?

-- 
Nick Roworth, ORACLE Europe             "Bugs Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!"
Rijnzathe 6, NL-3454 PV De Meern        Starship Troopers - Robert A. Heinlein
Phone: +31-3406-94211                     
nroworth@nl.oracle.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13821 rec.arts.books:17980
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading scripts and scores
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:59:57 GMT
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

[stuff deleted]
>
>But let's go back to the plain old score on its own.  Is it worth studying?
>
>Mart

At least when it comes to Stockhausen -- it might be the *only* way to
"experience" that particular work, at least until the Stockhausen CDs were
reissued. Incidentally, KS prepared special "listeners' scores" for some of his
works (e.g. *Hymmen*); specially for "reading" with the music... Some scores
by e.g. Cage are "works of art" in themselves, but that's another story...

Bill
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\               /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
| Bill Harrison,            \             /       "Be as radical as... |
| University of Houston, TX  >-----------<         reality itself"     |
| CHEM91@JETSON.BITNET      /             \                V. I. Lenin |
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/               \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Salaries
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:47:45 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct12.232336.12072@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
~
~Question:
~	Assume a basic salary of 17,000 pounds a year. Before tax.
~	Assume that there is sufficient capital to buy house without
~having to take out a mortgage.
~	Is the salary enough to live on in S.W. England (husband, wife
~two small children)?
~	What do people think (restrain yourself, Laurence)?

 That seems to me to be sufficient for a very pleasant lifestyle - not
luxurious but quite comfortable.


-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
                        Naetmagen
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13910 rec.motorcycles:35597
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Know someone at Triumph or Norton???
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:45:46 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct8.155232.23976@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:

>  Maybe you could help me out cause I don't have a clue. Are these bikes
>manufactured in the old Triumph factory? 

No.

>How much of the old Triumph
>staff, designers, workers, administration, still remains?

None. The new company was very careful to avoid association with the
old Triumph because it wanted to produce modern reliable motorcycles
that would sell well.

>Did they buy
>the rights to the name?

Yes.

>I'm not opposed to a new Brit bike, I'm just not
>shure where this strong connection to Triumph comes from.

Only because they are British, and the modular design concept on which
they are based is similar to one that was rejected by the old Triumph
management. They are unlike other recent Brit bike revivals (and the
traditional Brit bike industry!) in the very extensive use they have
made of the latest high-tech engine design consultancy expertise, in
planning from the start for modern high-volume manufacturing, and in
the speed with which they are reacting to market forces and advice.

>Will they sell
>to the same market that Triumph sold to? I suspect they will be in the
>Ducati, BMW, etc. market.

The old Triumph made models for a variety of markets, from single-carb
low-tuned well-enclosed touring "captain sensible" models to
lumpy-cammed high-tuned cafe racers. In its late and sadly
uncompetitive days Triumph sold to the nostalgia market, to those old
faithfuls who did their own maintenance and knew and loved Triumphs,
and to those who liked big simple grunting engines in relatively small
light bikes.

Predicting what kind of biker will buy a new kind of bike is a very
chancy business. In the UK dealers report a lot of BMWs are being
traded in for new Triumphs, but that may simply be because the new
Triumphs are still new and expensive. There are lots of bikers who
only buy cheap second-hand bikes, but whose opinions and visibility on
the roads has an effect on new bike sales. What can be said is that
the new Triumphs are selling very well indeed, with the favourites
being the 900cc triples.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you want peace work for justice)
Subject: Information needed
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:59:23 GMT

Hello,

I am doing a project concerning existing men's groups or organizations
that deal with violence against women - such as one here in the
States called 'Men Against Violence Against Women'. Can anyone inform
me of any such groups in the u.k.? (address or contact info appreciated)

Thank you,

Vera B.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Accents
Keywords: English xenophobia
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:56:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.134716.20027@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr) writes:
> >Simon (adhering to the s.c.b tradition)
> >
> >-- 
> The s.c.b tradition is obviously one that appeals to tiny minds.
>
> Neil Orr

Which is presumably why you read this newsgroup.

Simon.

-- 
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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Cities with 7 hills (keep dreaming, Edinburgh)
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:13:19 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <CC.92Oct15124749@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
~In article <26904@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
~
~   Any city can be imagined to be built on seven hills if you're sufficiently
~   careful with your definition of "hill" (well, maybe not Cambridge). Saying
~   that Edinburgh shares anything with Rome is just as fatuous as calling it
~   "The Athens of the north".
~
~They just said it was nicer, not that it shares things with it.

Who are "they". I don't think that my posting specified *who* says what.
~
~Edinburgh still has quite a large number of Parthenons (or do I mean
~Atheniums?) scattered about,

but, strangely, no Greek restaurants, now that the horrible place on
Cockburn Street has closed down

~ and the city council is warning us that we'll
~suffer terrible smog in a few years time, so we have something in
~common with Athens.  :-)

Great - all the problems and none of the compensations. Now if the council
could just arrange for a little *sunshine*!

-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

"Telling people how to think doesn't work. They always have stupid
 ideas of their own."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:48:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: martin.baines@uk.sun.com's message of 8 Oct 92 17:28:26 GMT

In article <1b1r3qINN5sm@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:

   This was also an argument when the "parts of the English water
   industry that were not already private" was privatise. In the
   1974 local government re-org the Water Authorities were created
   from the assets of the old local aunthorities. They used
   exactly the same argument and didn't get anywhere.

   >Was a letter on the subject in one of the Scottish papers last I was up
   >visiting there.  Missed the beginnings of the exchange, but it was
   >possible to work out the whole thing from this letter.  It appears that
   >one of the local Scottish councils had taken a stand against the
   >privatisation of Scottish water.

   See above: I don't think they will get very far.

Well the reason that Scottish water hasn't been privatised is because
the industry belongs to the local authorities, not central government
or quasi-autonomous water authorities as used to exist in England and
Wales. The government admitted this at the time when they privatised
these water authorities.

Another obstacle to selling off the Scottish water industry is the
government's plans to take a chainsaw to local government in Scotland.
They want to abolish the regional authorities who happen to own the
water and sewerage service. Since the proceeds of a privatisation
would have to go to these councils, it's not clear how these funds
would get spread amongst the new local authorities after the regional
councils were abolished.

There is also massive opposition to water privatisation: about 90% of
the Scottish population are against it according to the opinion polls.
The people who work in the industry also oppose it - including the
senior management. It's amazing that after a dozen years of
money-grabbing Thatcherism, that some people put the ethos of
providing a valuable and well-run public service before their personal
gain from massive salaries and juicy share options.

		Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca (Sean P Goggin)
Subject: King of The Republic of Ireland.
Organization: U36 Research
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:23:56 GMT

The following is a transcription of a newspaper
clipping given to me some thirty years ago.
It was culled from a Dublin daily paper sometime
in the late 50's, the exact date and publication
are unknown to me.

Begin quote.

Where Edward VIII is King.

The Irish can always be relied upon for a capital 
turn-up for the books.

A distinguished Irish constitional lawyer, Rex Mackey,
comes up with a corker in his book "Windward of the Law." *

He states categorically that the Duke of Windsor is still
King of Ireland.

The arguement is a highly technical one. In an abbreviated
form it runs thus:

	In 1921 Ireland acquired Dominion status. This meant
that no law passed in Britain applied to Ireland without her
assent.

	In 1922 it was made clear that all laws existing in
Ireland were valid unless repealed. At that time Ireland had 
no power to alter rpyal succession. No law has been passed 
to give her that power.

	On December 11, 1937, Britain passed an act agreeing 
to Edward VIII's abdication. All the Dominions assented. 
Exceot the Irish Free State.

	On December 11 Ireland merely stripped the King of
his domestic functions. It did not take away his title or
perogatives.

	On the next day the Irish Parliament, independently,
passed an act agreeing to the King's Instrument of Abdication.
This was invalid.

First, what they agreed to was nothing but an expression of
desire by the King. It was not the Abdication Act.

Secondly, they had no power to alter the succession on their
own.

Thirdly, they referred to him as Edward, King of Great Britain,
which on that day he was not.

Almost undoubtedly the Duke of Windsor is the King of the Republic
of Ireland. And the Duchess is Queen.

Mr. Mackey assures me that this theory has been vetted and passsed
by both British and Irish constitutional lawyers.

* W.H. Allen, 25s.

End quote.

I thought this little titbit might elicit some interesting and 
thought provoking response. :-)

Have fun.

	SP

Sea/n Pearse Goggin
251, Bridge Street West, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2K 1L1
Voice +1 519 746 7535 Fax +1 519 747 2933 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Subject: Re: VNS: The Vogon News Service
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:02:03 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.215559.4076@syacus.acus.oz.au> james@syacus.acus.oz.au (James Smith) writes:
>jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
>
>>I would like to thank the guys who keep VNS going for providing 
>>us poor expats with the most reliable and unbiased news service
>>we could wish for.
>
>>Keep up the good work. One suggestion, less world news we can all get that 
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>from the local media. More UK news and more rugby coverage.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>

I too like the VNS but must plead for more world news, as i) I like 
the UK style of world news coverage and ii) I can get world news from
local US media???!!!! Sadly no I can't.


Tony Mossop, geophysics, Stanford






>Hear, Hear ! VNS is much appreciated. More UK news would be very welcome.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS:The Vogon News Service
Summary: 
Expires: 
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In article <1992Oct8.215559.4076@syacus.acus.oz.au> james@syacus.acus.oz.au (James Smith) writes:
>jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
>
>>I would like to thank the guys who keep VNS going for providing 
>>us poor expats with the most reliable and unbiased news service
>>we could wish for.
>
>>Keep up the good work. One suggestion, less world news we can all get that 
>>from the local media. More UK news and more rugby coverage.
>
>
>Hear, Hear ! VNS is much appreciated. More UK news would be very welcome.

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