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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Petitebon In Line for Bears
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:36:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan8.203615.14479
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1ifdu7INN726@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.154945.10871@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>>In today's Washington Post, it was stated that the Bears organization is
>>interested in Rich Petitebon, the Skins Assistant Head Coach/Defense, for
>>the head job in Chicago.  For years I've heard announcers and other 
>>coaches give Petitebon as much credit for the Skins success as Gibbs.  It
>>is a truly fine coach who can win with only three "star" caliber players
>>(Mann, Greene, and Marshall).  I wondered last year why he wasn't at
>
>I dunno.  I've thought for a while that Fred Stokes, Kurt Gouveiea, and
>Martin Mayhew were all star *caliber* players...
>
Steve, I'll still stand by my original statement.  Yes, Stokes, Gouviea, and 
Mayhew are quality players (as are Edwards, Copeland, and A. Collins) but
the three I listed in my initial post are the players that have made the
pro bowl more than once, and Green, at least was considered the best at
his position in the league, at one time -- probably still would be if not
for his series of injuries this year.  This is what I meant by "star"
caliber, though granted its a vague description.  For many non-Skins 
fans, these are the only defensive players they could name on the Skins.

>>least interviewed for one of the 9 or 10 jobs that opened up.  Petitebon
>
>Pettibon has been looked at by many teams in the past few years, but they
>all have ended up finding someone else before the Skins' get out of the
>playoffs.  This is *not* necessarily a bad thing in my opinion....8-)
>
The Washington Post said the only head coaching job Petitbon has ever been 
interviewed for was the Saints job in 86.  The media may bandy his name
about, but its sounds to me like no NFL management has been serious about 
him if they've never interviewed him.

Personally, I think it's silly to be in a hurry to get a new coach.  Yes,
I know you've got the college draft, etc., but if you're serious about
building a dynasty, then I'd think you'd wait the extra three weeks to
be able to interview a someone with proven coaching skills.  

schalene
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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: SF Bashing
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 06:13:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.035708.21453@Princeton.EDU>, frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti) writes:
>	As far as Candlestick park goes, if y'ou like it, you can have it. 
>Although something might be done about that tear-away turf that is not
>only detrimental to running and cutting, but also unsafe and can lead to
>injuries.
>__________________________________________
>Go 'Canes & Cowboys

Ah, yes, let's replace it with Astroturf like your Cowboys play on. That
would be much safer and no one would ever get hurt, since everyone knows
how safe it is to play on Astroturf.

If you knew anything about football injuries, you would know that tear-
away turf is much better than turf that does *NOT* tear away, like Astroturf.

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From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:44:33 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1993Jan7.132435.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>hi there it,s hamish here again, with just a few points to take up with all
>you flammers.
>Firstly i am SCOTTISH not bloody English so cut out your references to soccer
>violence.This as always been a problem in England, but even they have it under
Yeah sure, Rangers v Celtic twice a year. Spit in my face arsehole.

>control know.In Scotland we have the best behaved fans in the world,at the
>last world cup we were congratulated for our impecable behaviou in italy and at
>the european championships this summer u.e.f.a gave out medals to all the
>scottish fans who traveled to sweeden, because they were the best behaved fans
>there, and had noone arrested.There has,nt been any serious troulble in home
>matches, since we stoped playing the english, as they just came up here looking
>for a barny.So get your facts right Scottish and English football are two
>diffrent ball games.
You're not wrong there. English football is MUCH BETTER.

>As for someone saying soccer also has a drugs problem, well mayby it does in
>america but it does,nt here.No Scottish footballler as far as l know has
>ever been caught using drugs, and there are stingent tests carried out at
>random,can you say the same about american football.
No Scottish player has ever been caught doing anything? What a bore.

>Oh what about those people whose best comeback is we won the war for you.
>so what if you did,america had know need to get involved in any of the wars,
>but they did saving british lives at the the expense of american lives.I
>don,t know about you but I think we got the better deal.
Leave the war in the past. 

>By the way I know my spelling is terrible, but what's the differance
>I am just writing a quick message to a newsgroup not a bloody theseis.
>
thesis. Bod spolling is one thing but this is anuther. Are you studying the
NEW national curriculum or what?


>So all you ignoramuses out there,before you flame me, try and think
>of an intelligent point to make first, if that's possible for a bunch
>of couch potatoes.
>notice the use of the dan quale spelling of potato,know there's a clever
>guy.
>
Intelligent point? It would be wasted.

>Football Players Are Dickless
>
>Hamish
Intelligent comment there! (or should that be their? :-)


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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: q!
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:16:59 GMT
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From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Re: Niners Defeat Deadskins, Selves
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:56:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.001717.14544@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com  
(Michael Zimmers) writes:

> o Steve Young almost undoing his fine passing day with 3 (that's not
>   a typo -- THREE) lost fumbles, two of which were truly wierd.  The
>   first wierd one came after a nice run, when Steve slid, *got back up* 
>   and lost the handle.  The second came on Young's attempt to draw the 
>   ball back for a pass and succeeded in flipping the ball ten feet into
>   the air.

Not to try to make excuses for Steve, but the fumble after he got back up  
to keep running was caused by one of his own guys (I forget who) kneeing  
the ball out of Steve's arms. Was quite obvious on the replay, and the  
guys in the booth noted it. And the one where the ball went almost  
straight up into the air seemed to be the result of a poor grasp caused  
either by the rain or cold (or both). Really weird to watch, you're right.
From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buzzards Plucked and Sir Randall Chokes
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:02:20 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc. Plano, Tx.

Ha!

Subject says it all.

Where was the great Minister of Defence?
Where was the great Sir Randall?
 (looking up at the sky from his flat on the back vantage point)

Don't hear much trash coming outta Philly now do we? 

On to San Fran

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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More predictions
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:30:40 GMT
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Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan11.060404.364@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.021315.13521@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>>Dallas 31  SF 21
>>SF doesn't appear to have the defense to stop Dallas. 
>Ahem, how many Bowboy
>defensive players made the Pro Bowl this year?

I don't think there has ever been a pro bowl player from the "Bowboys".
The Cowboys have had many over the years, however.  As for having no
Pro Bowlers this year, that just gives them more incentive to prove
themselves.  This is a team defense, not a superstar plus spare parts.
I'll take that any day.

I'm disappointed in you, Bob.  You're usually more intelligent than this --
a rarity coming out of San Francisco.

Daniel Welch
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:58:30 GMT
Subject: Chad Bergerson - the immature drone
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Subject: fuck you


EAT SHIT, ALL AMERICAN FAGBOY!!!!!!!


EAT SHIT, ALL AMERICAN FAGBOY!!!!!!!


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As my platoon sgt used to say - What the hell is your major malfunction
shit for brains?  It used to crack me up when he'd nail a new guy.  All I
can say, Chad, is that you are a real loser.  Lower than pond scum.  I tried
to send you email but your email address isn't worth crap, so I'll just have
to put your latest wonderful mail here in this group for all to see.  If there
was any doubt as to your immaturity I think you have cleared that up for
all of us.  I won't be so naive as to threaten you given that you'd probably
run to mommy for support.  Suffice it to say that you have chosen an 
appropriate place to work.  After all, the world is a dangerous place and it
must be a great comfort to know that intensive care is just a few steps
away.  

Take care, dear friend.  I look forward with great anticipation to your 
next silver tounged email.

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From: wnielsen@nosun.West.Sun.COM (Walter Nielsen - SUN Portland)
Subject: Re: Eagles-Aints
Summary: It ain't Herberts fault
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Beaverton Oregon
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:51:44 GMT

> On the flip side:  this has to be way aggravating for Saints fans.
> I've been there, so I won't gloat.  Besides, the team should have
> a bright future, provided that it makes one key move:
> 
> dump Hebert.

The problem isn't Hebert, its the coach.  Almost every 'big' game,
I watch the Saints get ahead then sometime around the late 3rd or
4th quarter, they get conservative, try to run the ball, start playing
more  prevent defense, ease up on the rush and boom they get beat.
I don't know how many times I've seen this happen against the Niners.
In spite of what people think of Swilling et al, the Saints have
a good but dominant defense.  Good enough these days to get to the
playoffs but it seems never good enough to win the big ones.



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>(Floyd Goodrich) /  8:11 am  Jan 11, 1993 /

>Maybe your resentment of the Cowboys was based on their winning a little
>too much for your tastes and not from media overhype?

Then why don't I resent the '60s Packers or '70s Steelers or the 17-0
Dolphin team or even the '85-'90 Giants who knocked S. F. out of the
playoffs three times?

- Gary Rosen
From: rorry@cs.umd.edu (Ningda Rorry Li)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Houston Oilers Wk18
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:47:54 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

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TEAM
Houston Oilers (10-7)

NEXT OPPONENT
(unknown)

GAME SUMMARY

           Houston    Buffalo*
Pts        38         41        OT
Rushing    22-82      28-98
Pass Att   36-50-2    21-34-1
Pass Yds   347        268
Fum Lost   0          0
Poss       37:39      25:27

PASSING
Moon       26-50-2-371 4P

RUSHING
White      19-75
Moon       2-7
Montgomery 1-0
           (bad snap on a crucial field-goal try)

RECEIVING
Givins     9-117
Jeffires   8-98 2T
Slaughter  8-73 1T
Duncan     8-57 1T
Harris     2-15
White      1-11

KICKING
Del Greco  4X F(26)

SACKS
Fuller     2
Jones      1

INTERCEPTIONS
McDowell   1

INJURIES
(none)

GAME SUMMARY
28-3 Houston at the half, 35-3 Houston in the third quarter, then 35 straight
Buffalo points. 

NEWS ITEMS
-- Oilers made history by being on the losing end of the biggest comeback in
   NFL history.
-- Sixth straight playoff apparence and never made to the league championship
   game.
-- Moon's INT in OT was the Oilers' last offensive play, almost a replay of
   what happened in Washington last season.

OTHER NOTES 
*= Home Team
P= Touchdown Pass Thrown
T= Touchdowns Scored
F= Field Goal Scored (number in parens is distance)
X= Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions,attempts,interceptions, TD passes

This posting follows the proposed format of the NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT.
Contact Jason Parker - jason@cray.com to sign-up and enter your
favorite team.
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From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What would have happened... (SF-WAS game)
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:15:00 GMT
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kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner) writes:

>   Who gets the call for YOUR next drive - Young or Montana?

Young. Remember when they beat your Saints team at the Stick scoring with
less than a minute remaining.

Michael

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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Relatively Few Posts from 9ers/Redskins Fans
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:50:11 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <1993Jan7.222908.4997@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> jangi@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shrirang Jangi) writes:
 >I think the reason why 9ers/Skins fans do not raise as much cheap talk as do
 >the Eagles/Cowboys fans is because the former fans are at ease with 
 >themselves. For 9ers fans, they know that 49ers are a much stronger team (on
 >paper at least) and I'm sure they're feeling pretty confident. For Skins fans
 >they know that Redskins might be able to beat the 49ers, but by a fairly long
 >shot; if Skins win, great; if they lose, they're expected to anyway. I think
 >the Skins fans will be willing to concede to losing to a better team but are
 >confident that next season they shall be good again. If winning is highly
 >probable (in 49er's case), or losing is acceptable (in Redskins' case), then
 >there's really no need for fans to argue.
 >
 >On the other hand, Eagles/Cowboys fans are insecure, especially Eagles fan, 
 >because the matchup is much tighter. As a result, the fans do feel the need t >o 
 >justify their respective teams as a way to calm their nerves.
 >
 >Anyway, this is just my humble opinion as a neutral observer. 

I agree somewhat, the 9ers and Skins have been there over and over in the 
last few years. As for Cowboys fans, insecure ? no I don't think so. Being
1-15 three years ago we are excited as hell to be where we are, it's fun
again to woof and talk trash like everyone else. I (maybe stupidly) payed
to see every Dallas game when they were 1-15 and heard all the "Mother
pick your kids up at Texas Stadium, they're beatting up the Cowboys" jokes, 
and took a large dose of razzing for being a Cowboys fan. I sort of look
at it as payback time. The media, sports fans and pretty much everyone 
seemed to take great plesure in kicking the Boys when they were down,
I understand this, but now those same people must understand -

We're Kicking back.
Go Cowboys !!!  
tim
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From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Bills were LUCKY!!!!!!
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:51:18 GMT

> = (james e kist) writes:

>Let's not forget the bad call against Bruce Smith for a legitimate tackle
>of Warren Moon. 

C'mon.  He could've just run INTO Moon from his momentum; but Smith
bashed Moon head-first, hard, into the ground.

Smith knew he'd screwed up, and so did his coach.  That wasn't a
"legitimate tackle"; that was unnecessary roughness.

>The non-call against Beebe was just bad officiating (as has
>been the case in SO many games this year), but when Darryl Talley made
>contact with Givins, I think it might have been within five yards of the
>line of scrimmage, making it a legal and heads up play on Talley's part.

Man, talk about Bills-colored glasses.  Did you actually SEE the Talley
play?  Givens was grabbed (that's holding) and nearly TACKLED by Talley.
Definitely, at the least, defensive holding.

BTW, I'm neither a Bills nor an Oilers fan.

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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: NINERS WIN a THRILLER (IMHO)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:04:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.003447.16127@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
>Subject: Re: NINERS WIN a THRILLER (IMHO)
>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:34:47 GMT
><1993Jan10.000759.20838@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>FINAL SCORE:  Niners 20   Redskins  13
>>A game that had eight turnovers, 4 each, but the last TO
>>by the SKINS cost them the game IMHO. Great D on both
>>sides and credit to the Niners D for coming through!
>
>??  What game were you watching?
>
The same one.

What he fails to mention is that Young looked aweful compared to his regular 
season.  Why did he look so bad?  The Skins were DECENT, but not all that 
good.  Was it the weather.  Wasnt Youngs last poorly played game in 
inclimate weather?  

Of all the turnovers, how many of them were youngs fault (fumble, etc)

If the 9ers play against the Boyz like they did against the skins and the 
Boyz play like they did against the Iggs, and If this is Youngs playoff 
posture, the Boyz will roll them for sure!

It was an ugly win IMHO, and nothing to be Big WOOFING about.

ALN
(ob 9er bash)
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:55:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 5A9@ns1.nodak.edu, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
> Here is a Category-wise list of Team of Frustrations. Corrections
> are welcome from fans of other teams and I will post a revised list.
> 
> A) HAVE BEEN TO THE SUPER-BOWL BUT NEVER WON IT
> ------------------------------------------------
> 1) Vikes ... 0-4  
> 2) Broncos   0-4
> 3) Bengals   0-2
> 4) Bills     0-2
> 5) Patriots  0-1
> 6) Rams      0-1
> 7) Eagles    0-1
> -------------------------------------------------
> Categories below are teams who have never even been to a Super Bowl
> B) HAVE NEVER WON A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
> --------------------------------------------------
> 1) Browns    0-2
> 2) Oilers    0-1
> 3) Lions     0-1
> 4)Additions are welcome

Tampa Bay, I believe it was in 1979?????  They lost the the Rams.  I think
that Seattle was also in a Championship game a few years back and lost.

> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> C) HAVE NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 1) Saints     0-3
> 
> D) HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A PLAYOFF GAME
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 1) Tampa Bay
> 2) Sea-Hawks

Both of these are incorrect.  Seahawks were in the playoffs last in 1988
and as previously mentioned, Tampa Bay made it to the NFC Championship
game about a dozen or so years ago.



Bob De Guc
Bills fan in *ANY* country!!
From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys/Eagles will be a tough one
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan7.012426.2800@wam.umd.edu>, macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
writes...
>In article <1993Jan6.163111.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> asif@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

Comments on classless NFC trash teams deleted.

>Others -> who cares...AFC is irrelevant and I live with Skin fans...heard enough
>	  from them.

	You are a real dick.  If the AFC ( the superior conference based on the
outcomes of interconference games over the past several seasons ) were
irrelevant, it wouldn't exist.

>This is my way of saying that the above article has good points and is the 
>essence of competition..blah...blah...blah...blah.
> 
>Mario

Snoopy
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