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From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:54:23 GMT

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
>|smith@wesson.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>|>bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>|>>smith@wesson.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>|>>>[someone since lost in the shuffle said:]
>|>>>>What is TL&EH, please ?
>|>>>>
>|>>>True Love and Eternal Happiness (Is there such an animal?) . . . 
>|>>>
>|>>Of course there is, Nina.
>|>>I found it just the other night with the Ferguson Twins, Bambi and Bunni.
>|>>
>|>Hmmmm . . . you and John Fereira appear to have a fair bit in common
>|>with the choice of women -- Swedish Bikini Team and Playboy Playmates
>|>- perhaps you could teach the net.SO-less guys a thing or too :)
>|>
>|
>|What, drooling over beer commercials and Playboy magazines?  I think
>|I've got that covered already...
> 
>Who said anything about commercials and magazines.   The Swedish bikini
>team comes over and cleans my house every other weekend.
>

And then you wake up...  :)


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From: DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Net.Dinner
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:56:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba
  <1992Nov13.005734.5768@berlioz.nsc.com> <15482@auspex-gw.auspex.com>

>
>True, however as Aahz mentioned (because I neglected to),  "Golden Chopsticks"
>is has Vietnamese food.  The dungeness crab may be one item that is not
>authentic Vietnamese.  It however is not a "pho" place.  As I said, the
>atmosphere is more like a continental place that the lower key approach to
>many ethnic places.  Whether it is authentic or not the food is very good.
>The service was excellent both times I was there.  It's a little pricey 
>compared to many chinese restaurants but I felt that it was worth it.
>

	speaking of authenticity, my best friend just moved to Austin Texas
for PHD study at UTAustin, and calls me regularly bitching about not having 
any decent chinese food to eat in Austin. So, he and I are working on opening
up a really good chinese restaurant there, since I cook; We have decided to
call the restaurant "golden long horn" and so far, we have come up with some 
really groovy dishes -- like  winter mellon and gun powder soup, twice cooked
armadillo, and of course, sweet and sour road kill... ;-)
>-- 
>+==========================================================================+
>| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
>| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
>+==========================================================================+

------
/bruce

"who saw the best minds of his generation destroyed by flamers on usenet, 
	starving for affection,
 dragging themselves through the electronic highways at dawn looking for an
	angry fix"
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: ala@fico.uucp
Subject: Re: meeting women
Keywords: stealth.sig
Reply-To: ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.012320.10929@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>Adryenn, I know you were not offering to coordinate an event, but would you
>consider it?

If I did, I would do it in Marin or in the Marina some where (but with the
amount of cars getting ripped off in the city lately I think I'll stick 
close to home).  So, are there enough people willing to trek all the way
up here?

Adryenn
From: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: looking for women, looking for men...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:30:10 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov

In article <27523@dog.ee.lbl.gov> veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov) writes:
>In article <1ecfirINNrgk@overload.lbl.gov> I (Asya Kamsky) write:
>> I might find an excuse to talk to him anyway.  If he looks like a
>> loser, then I won't talk to him no matter how cute the puppy is.
>That sounds almost like the following statement.  If a product is good,
>people will buy it anyway.  If it is not, nobody will buy it and
>no amount of advertisement will change that.

No, the analogy would be that if the product is bad, no matter how well
you market it, I won't consume it.

>A simple fact of life is that, as far as new products are concerned,
>the marketing strategy is 80% of their success.

Goodie, but the fact is that the analogy simply doesn't hold for some 
of us.  There are always women (rumored to be hanging out on soc.singles
and rejecting nice guys(tm) over there) who go for the product in a
Porche, no matter how poorly designed.
-- 
"In nature there are no rewards or punishments, only consequences"

Asya Kamsky	      e-mail: asya@ux5.lbl.gov                   Go Red Sox
"In order to command you must first learn to submit" - chinese fortune cookie
From: DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Do you know the way to San Jose?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:09:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba
  <1992Nov20.225128.15196@netcom.com>

>In article <1ejci6INNqri@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Li
s
>a A. Haupt) writes:
><cutesy shit deleted for sanity>
>
>> Any suggestions out there?
>
>	Yea, get a life, return key and new nom de net.
>
	Oooooo Desiree . . .  <shaking head in metronome style, like
a dumb blonde> You speak french!	<hairflip>

	:-)
>
>Desiree
---
/bruce
From: HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Does your cup runneth over
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:58:45 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

>I've noticed a trend here...  In this and a one or two other postings Bob
>waxes poetic (just how large is a 'poetic', and how much wax does it
>need?), and Lisa flames him.
>
>Hmmm.  What's the reason for this?...
>
>Craig Keithley


Craig,

The reason is......... Bob happens to be a good friend of mine and I just can't
help f..... with him on the net.  But of course he will deny this.  So I can get
away with it this week, because I know he's at Comdex.

the seahag
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft

rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:
>>Did you really have to quote the entire series of posts and response
>>just to give your electronic horse laugh?  
>     If that is what he wants to do, then fine.

Please see news.announce.newuser for valuable tips about USENET ettiquette
and the reasons why the established conventions make sense.

>>And, if you don't have anything >>to say, don't say it.
>     He did have something to say and said it.  

He could have delivered his 2 lines worth of wisdom in a package that was
shorter than 50 lines.  
-- 
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: Filk Reminder
Organization: Netcom - San Jose, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:02:37 GMT

In article <1ee8f6INN8ec@agate.berkeley.edu> jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes:
>So, when's it gonna be answered: 
>What's a FILK???
>

     If you want an answer, then you may want to browse the filk newsgroup(s).

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Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: estephen@netcom.com (E. Stephen Mack)
Subject: PJ Harvey at Slim's (SF) on 11/24 -- carpool?
Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:00:59 GMT

I'm interested in seeing PJ Harvey at Slim's on Tuesday, November 24,
9:00 p.m.  Tickets are $10 advance / $10 at the door.

None of my friends want to see this show with me.  (Philistines.)  I'm
interested in finding someone to carpool with me from Berkeley or
thereabouts.  The main thing is that I hate going to shows alone.

I could drive or you could.  If you're interested, write me and
we'll thresh out the details.

If you haven't heard of PJ Harvey: they are from England and they do
that Sheela-Na-Gig song that Live 105 played a lot recently.  "Dry" is
(in my opinion) by far one of the best CDs put out recently.

Slim's is in San Francisco, 333 Eleventh Street between Folsom and
Harrison.  The phone number is (415) 621-3330.

Write me at estephen@netcom.com and we'll talk.

	[estephen]
From: crs@sybase.com (Craig Saunders)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: How to meet women!
Date: 15 Nov 92 06:49:34 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.191933.29147@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>
>I love it when a guy cooks dinner for me.  It's more impressive than
>being taken out to dinner: it shows he has a creative side, and doesn't
>have any macho hangups about cooking being a woman's domain.  This only
>works if you are a decent cook, of course.  I dated one fellow who
>cooked dinner for me several Mondays in a row.  It worked.
>
>We now return you to our regularly scheduled sarcasm.
>

Now let me get this straight for the Common Sense Impaired:  To meet women,
men should follow them home, force their way into the kitchen and cook for
them? :*)

I think that most of the "babeless" (to use your term)  believe they know how
to attract them once they get close.  The problem is usually getting
possible victims, er, babes, er, candidates (!?!!) within range in an
environment that will let them preen...

It was real easy in college since they were thrown together in lots of
different groups of people every day.  (Assuming that they went to class...)
Now in the real world, they find that no one is doing this kind of forced
social mixing for them and some want to whine about it...

You could say that I'm "babeless" right now.  But I'm not worried.  First,
I'm one of those old fuddy-duddies who doesn't want a "babe".  (You know,
it used to be special to be over thirty.  First there was "Don't trust anyone
over thirty."  Then there was that "thirtysomething" show.  Now there's
nothing.  I'm not even old enough to be a "dirty old man".)

I'm also not worried because the last time that I was concerned about my
social opportunities, I took a bridge class.  The result was that I learned
how to play bridge (which I wanted to since school) and met someone who I
dated for over 18 months.  In addition, she got me to start learning
ballroom dance, something else that I've wanted to learn for a long time...

So, take some of the previous advice and get out and do stuff!  You'll become
a better person while you meet new people!

And if anyone out there wants me to teach them bridge or cook chili or step
on their toes on the dance floor, I'd be happy to oblige...

Craig R. Saunders, crs@sybase.com
--
Craig R. Saunders, gaia!crs, x8521
From: merblich@imola.EBay.Sun.COM (Mitchell Erblich user)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: What's a FILK???-Ask Maddi. EOM
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:34:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: merblich@imola.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: imola.ebay.sun.com
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: meeting women
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:34:32 GMT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

ala@fico.uucp writes:

-> In article <26436@megatest.UUCP> jlacki@megatest.UUCP (Jeff Lacki) writes:
-> >
-> >I think that meeting women is much harder now after college than it
-> >was when I was IN college for obvious reasons...  
-> >
-> >Just where ARE the good women these days!?
-> 
-> Back in college.  In my class the average age is 40, but there are quite
-> a few late 20's to early 30's women, very nice, pretty, single.  Try 
-> taking a class in something YOU enjoy, or that will further your career.
-> That's where all my friends are, and they are all good women.

That's where *I* am, anyway--and I fit the above description nicely,
nor am I the only late-20s-early-30s type there.  And no, I don't
know Adryenn :-)  There are a *lot* of single women out there, some
with brains, too.  There aren't enough in the engineering fields,
true, but that's not the only place to find intelligent or
technically competent women.  Try the hard sciences, and try
business, esp. information management.

-> So here's the problem, I know where there are women and most of you guys
-> out there know where the men are, maybe we should define what we mean
-> when we say 'good women' and 'good men'.  Because somewhere out there,
-> we are missing each other.

Yep.  But more than defining "good" perhaps we should concentrate on
defining "suitable."  I think we all have checklists in mind, some
more detailed than others.  For me, very few things are musts, but
they *are* musts (male, child-friendly).  Others are very, very
strong preferences (non-smoker, gainfully employed or employable).
Other preferences are nice if present, but unnecessary (taller than I
am, classically-trained singer).

Obviously by this preference list, if you're female or not
child-friendly, you wouldn't make a suitable mate for *me*.  I may
wail on about where *are* all the good ones.  But that isn't really
what I mean--I mean "where are all the *suitable* ones?".
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: jmw@angelo.amd.com (jmw)
Subject: Trivia (was: Re: Where to meet women?)  
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:32:50 GMT

In article <75A4030HbcIO00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> dmax@uts.amdahl.com (Max Goff) writes:
[...]
>7.  Take out an ad in the Merky news

Actually, the correct spelling is "M U R K Y", and with good reason: the
name "Murky News" is frequently an accurate description of what you get
for $0.35.
--
J. M. Wincn                           jmw@angelo.amd.com (408) YUP-BEER 
               Standard DISCLAIMER available on request. 
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: lnz@lucid.com (Leonard N. Zubkoff)
Subject: Re: Filk Reminder
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:30:15 GMT

A fil or filksing is when people get together to share in performing and
listening to filk music.  As for what filk music is, this explanantion from
alt.music.filk may ne enlightening:

WHAT THE HECK IS FILK MUSIC? 

by Nick Smith (of LA Filkharmonics) 
  
Well, it's sort of like folk music.  It is a mixture of song parodies and
original music, humorous and serious, about subjects like science fiction,
fantasy, computers, cats, politics, the space program, books, movies, TV
shows, love, war, death. . . 
  
Filk music started off forty or fifty years ago, at science fiction
conventions, where people got together late at night to have good
old-fashioned folk music song circles.  Well, late night circles being what
they are, some folks got a little silly and started singing song parodies
about their favorite SF books and authors.  Fans started writing song parodies 
about themselves or each other.  Some started composing serious songs about
favorite topics.  Some authors started composing original songs for their
books.  If the author didn't list a tune, fans made up one.  Sometimes two. 
Sometimes several. 
  
Eventually, Filk songs wre written for just about every major science fiction 
or fantasy work.  Some of them were actually good enough that people wanted to 
learn them, or just listen to them more than just at conventions.  At that
point, song books and recordings started being made. 
  Over the last decade, Filk Music has reached the point where there are
entire Filk Music gatherings, conventions, recording companies, and
publications.  Filk Music includes song parodies, original songs, and slightly 
musical poetry.  It's a fun way to indulge in a little musical creativity,
especially if you are a science fiction or fantasy fan as well as musically
inclined.  If you are only a fan, but not musical, you can still listen.  Filk 
circles aren't pushy about requiring you to play or sing.  If you are only
musical, but not a fan, no one will hold it against you.  Remember, we're in
this thing for fun! 

What Nick didn't tell you is that the name started out as a typo of "folk"
and was gleefully adopted by all and sundry as a term for what is after
all a somewhat unusual subset.
From: keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Does your cup runneth over
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:25:38 GMT
Followup-To: ba.singles
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


In article <1du6dtINN664@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu
(Lisa A. Haupt) wrote:
> 
>>In article <1992Nov9.204237.28221@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
> 
>>The main point, though, is to get out and do "things".  Lots and
>>lots of "things".  Smile, be friendly, and TL&EH shall be yours.
> 
> Yeh Bob, what was the last thing you went out and did?
> 

I've noticed a trend here...  In this and a one or two other postings Bob
waxes poetic (just how large is a 'poetic', and how much wax does it
need?), and Lisa flames him.

Hmmm.  What's the reason for this?...

Craig Keithley
Apple Computer, Inc.
keithley@apple.com
"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Do you know the way to San Jose?
Summary: Nothing ever changes, I suppose
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:51:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: <secret>

In article <1ejci6INNqri@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
<cutesy shit deleted for sanity>

> Any suggestions out there?

	Yea, get a life, return key and new nom de net.


Desiree
From: DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: These women know how to train big dumb aniamals
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:01:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba
  <Nov.13.11.23.23.1992.28573@presto.ig.com>

>
>
>
>What is it about bouncing up and down, spread eagled for hours on a
>large, warm 2,000 lb. animal that appeals more to women than
>m...................oh, forget it.
>
>
>-MArty

	[A letter to Catherine the Great]


	Your royal highness

	Would you be kind enough to allow this gentleman to arrange an
	audience with you -- if you deign to address him in your court --
	and kindly elucidate the points of his pondering?

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/deadhead 
		
	Razors pain you;
	Rivers are damp;
	Acids stain you;
	And drugs cause cramp;
	Guns aren't lawful;
	Nooses give;
	Gas smells awful;
	You might as well live.		- Dorothy Parker "Re'sume'"
From: ldow@biosys.apldbio.COM (Leslie Johnston-Dow)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Filk Reminder
Summary: I want to know too...
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:15:24 GMT
Organization: Applied Biosystems, Inc., Foster City, CA

In article <1ee8f6INN8ec@agate.berkeley.edu>, jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes:
> So, when's it gonna be answered: 
> What's a FILK???
> 
 Please someone answer this question!!!! The Joels sanity may be at
risk here......8->
.....uh... er.....I'd like to know too.

-- 
Leslie Johnston-Dow
ldow@apldbio.com
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Does your cup runneth over
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:45:19 GMT

In article <1edso5INNij6@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
>>I've noticed a trend here...  In this and a one or two other postings Bob
>>waxes poetic (just how large is a 'poetic', and how much wax does it
>>need?), and Lisa flames him.
>>Hmmm.  What's the reason for this?...
>>Craig Keithley
>
>The reason is......... Bob happens to be a good friend of mine and I just can't
>help f..... with him on the net.  But of course he will deny this.  So I can get
      ^^^^^^  Funning? Does this mean funning, as in "having fun with"?

>away with it this week, because I know he's at Comdex.
>
Lisa is correct.  I *will* deny this.
I was a t Comdex, but I'm back.  
It's nice to know that Lisa missed me.
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Comdex
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:55:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov15.005030.5693@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>I'm off to Las Vegas for a week of Comdexing.
>I know you're all going to miss me.
>I'm just leaving this message so you can all start missing me
>as soon as possible.
>
>Just think of it.....
>130,000 nerds all together in Las Vegas at the same time.
>Over 2,000 computer realted exhibits.
>
>Makes your pocket protector all warm and slippery just thinking
>about it, doesn't it?
>
Igor, you idiot!  Where did you hide my tactical nuke??!  Fool!  Our best
chance in the entire year, and you have to play games!?  Aaaarrrrrrgh!!!


-- 
-- If I ain't programmin' I ain't awake! --
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: ala@fico.uucp
Subject: Re: meeting women
Reply-To: ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:50:05 GMT

In article <26436@megatest.UUCP> jlacki@megatest.UUCP (Jeff Lacki) writes:
>
>I think that meeting women is much harder now after college than it
>was when I was IN college for obvious reasons...  
>
>Just where ARE the good women these days!?

Back in college.  In my class the average age is 40, but there are quite
a few late 20's to early 30's women, very nice, pretty, single.  Try 
taking a class in something YOU enjoy, or that will further your career.
That's where all my friends are, and they are all good women.

So here's the problem, I know where there are women and most of you guys
out there know where the men are, maybe we should define what we mean
when we say 'good women' and 'good men'.  Because somewhere out there,
we are missing each other.


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From: HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:05:59 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov13.221946.10482@netcom.com>,
bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>In article <1e101bINNadj@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
>>
>>>        I have a great sense of humor, ask Bob Becker.
>>
>No!!!!  Don't ask me anything!  I know nothing.
>I have no sense of humor.  I couldn't possible recognize one in
>anyone else.  Trust me.  I ddon't even like people who have
>humors.  I'm glum.  I'm dour.  I'm morose.  I'm not a nice person.
>Please don't ask me anything.
>
>
Bob,

You're a schmuck.  Here I thought you would come to my defense!  You must play
for the Saints!

the seahag