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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Another look at plane shooting over the gulf
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:20:25 GMT

In article <BszFoK.7CB@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>I just heard something very interesting about the shooting down of the
>airplane over gulf. I was told that there was another military plane over
>the passenger plane on a mission on US navies. The military plane was right
>above the passenger plane so the radar couldn't trace it and the passenger
>plane was warnned by US navy a few times to change direction. So does this
>mean that Iran is responslible for 290 death of innocent people ?
>
>Any supportive or anti comments??

	What was your source for this?  There has been a lot of discussion
	in the Naval press recently and there was no mention of this.

	When the plane was shot down, the radar echo of the rider plane
	should have become clear.  There doesn't seem to have been a
	mention of this.

	I'm inclined to go for the original awful mistake theory.

	Alec Chambers.
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Azad University
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:45:32 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>In article <BssG45.23y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

> @a small apartment in a less nicer part of Tehran.  He thought for Shahrestaan
> @the housing problem is less severe. But he also indicated that the job
> @opportunities in Tehraan is almost unlimited.  You can work on a 24 hour
> @basis in Tehraan if you want, he said.  The base salary for teaching in
> @Tehraan, according to him, is between 30 to 35K for M.S. and 40-45K for Ph.D.

>The pay in shahrestaan is also higher, as much as twice for the same job,
>maybe even higher.
>    
> @This is for 10 hours of teaching an appropriate office hour.  He said most
> @people take a double load and can make as much as 80-90K per month.  According

>Is this 10 hours per week? It can't be 10 hours per day since a person
>can not then possibly take a double load (which would be 20 hours a day).

Yes it is 10 hours per week of teaching.  Those people who have taught
before now that for every hour of teaching you usually need to spend
another 3 hours for preparation for class.  This includes office hour,
homeworks, exams, updating the notes and etc.  So in effect that 10 hours
is equivalent to 40 hours per week which is a full time job.  In double
or even triple load there is no time to be spent for class preparation
and the instructor does not even get the time to update himself/herself.
Then class becomes like a dukkaan-baghghaali. You pay money for a service.
and the instructor becomes more like a dureh-gard going from one city
and school to another to repeat the same thing.

> @to him a decent apartment in Tehraan would cost about 40K/month but one
> @can find a less decent apartment for as low as 20K toman/month.

>... and ofcourse the rents in shahrestaan are lower.
>   
> - Farzin
>             

I talked to many Shahrestaanis in that meeting.  All wanted to go to
Tehraan.  I wondered why?  If their relatives are there why are they willing to
be separated from their home to live in Tehraan?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bhushan@fmiapd.com (Bhushan Kerur)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:34:31 GMT

TEST TEST TEST
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Conscription/Cambridge History of Iran
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:28:34 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <qvj.cv5o7@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>In article <26413@life.ai.mit.edu> reza@ai.mit.edu (Reza Shadmehr) writes:
>
> @For those of you interested in reading more about the changes
> @that have taken place in Iran in this century---from the loose collection
> @of tribes which formed a people under virtual rule by Russians in the north
> @and the British in the south, to a country that the American President
> @Johnson put on the list of "Developed Nations" in 1965, and
> @finally, the mass uprising that toppled the monarch, I highly
> @recommend the seventh volume of a seminal work called "The Cambridge
> @History of Iran".  This last volume (about a thousand pages) was 
> @published a few months ago, and it gives an eye opening, scholarly 
> @account of this incredible journey.  For me, the most important
> @pages are those which describe Iran before the rise of the Pahlavi
> @autocracy.  I find so many of the currents in today's Iran rooted
> @in the beliefs and practices of what was Iran before the Pahlavis.
> @
> @Having left Iran when I was only 14, the year before the revolution, 
> @my education at Alborz told me nothing of the deeply religous people
> @that we are, and the dissatisfaction that would lead to the forced
> @abdication of the most powerful Shah in half of a millenia.  This
> @book should be useful for those who feel a need to educate themselves
> @on the role of global powers in shaping 20th century Iran, the roots
> @of today's xenophobia, and possibly, our future in the face of finite
> @natural resources and diminished strategic importance.
>
>
>I recommend also reading books written about the same topic in Farsi
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>by Iranian authors just so that you know you have explored this
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>important topic from different angles.
>  
> - Farzin
>   

Farzin, I think our ignorant, beesavaad sci ahaalee are waiting
impatiently for your version of our history to come out, so we
can get a clear picture of our history based on an unbiased
Iranian view.

Behzad
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From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: Iranian entertainer murdered in Germany
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.153311.6916@ac.dal.ca> 01saeid@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.015256.17469@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
>> 
>> 	BONN, Germany (UPI) -- A former leading Iranian entertainer who had
>> links to Iranian dissidents was found dead in his home in Bonn, and
>> police said Sunday they believed he had been murdered.
>> 	Fereydoon Mehrdad Farokhzad-Araghi had apparently been stabbed to
>> death, a crime squad spokesman said.
>============================================
>I can not recall this name as a famous iranian ententainer.
>Is he our own Farokhzad with the famous song "Shab Bood Beyaban Bood Zemestan
>Bood" or somebody else.

 I believe so. It has been confirmed by other people too.

>
>Saeid

 Amir

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From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: True Iranians
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:48:13 GMT
Organization: none



 kambizm@fidibus.uio.no:
 @ After Ala accused me of not being a true Iranian, I went through one of
 @ my harshest life crisis. I looked myself in a mirror to check it out and
 @ it didn't help much I confess. This person could have come from anywhere
 @ but Mars, I told myself.
 @
 @                                              Kambiz


Why not Mars?!    8-)
    
 - Farzin
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iran to pay oil firms for expropriation losses
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:23:55 GMT
Organization: none


From Japan Times, Aug. 20, 1992
-----------------------------------------------------------------
    
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) Iran has agreed to pay two U.S. oil
companies $130.45 million each for losses suffered following the
1979 Islamic Revolution.
    
It was described as the last major oil-related claim at the
11-year-old Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal here in The Hague.
  
 .
 .
 .   
   
Earlier reports indicated that the total value of oil claims
submitted by U.S. companies, including Arco and Sun, reached
several billion dollars.
------------------------------------------------------------------
   
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
            

  
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From: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: Food for thought (correction) 
Reply-To: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:55:10 GMT

I wrote:

  accomplishment is the outcome of accidents and statistics.
  Look at yourself and some one dying of hunger in the horn of
  Africa. You weren't born in that famine area by accident.

The last statment might imply "you were born there". I meant:
It was an accident that you (he) weren't born in the famine areas.

Anwar Saleh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: TEST
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:42:55 GMT
From: ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Olympic update - Iran finishes *3rd* in wrestling
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:37:10 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <tooraj.713336877@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au> tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati) writes:
>marand@eagle.wpd.sgi.com (Najmeh Marand) writes:
>
>>My thanks to Siamak for the updates.  Does anyone know 
>>where the 96 games will be? 
>
>It is going to be in Atlanta, USA. It came very close to be in
>Melbourne, Australia. But, damn, the yankees stole it. Which I
>personally think it is not fair, USA had the '84 Olympic.
>
I guess you can say might is right! I'm glad we didn't get the games in
Toronto. God knows how poorly they'd manage the financing, and ordinary
citizens would end up paying for the games for years to come through
already heavy taxes, as was the case with the Montreal games in '76.

-Ramin
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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:54:12 GMT

In article <sehari.714202945@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>You should review your history, before jumping in.  Iran was before and
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You shouls stop all these history crap postings. Day in- day out, same
stupid remarks about the "proud Iranian history" and their achievements.
And the same backward people, commenting about this, already beaten to
death, subjet.

Why don't you all get a life!

Behzad
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: republican convention
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:13:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: du139-20.sehari.714248012
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@du139-203.cc.iastate.edu

In <1992Aug19.125326.8065@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:


>Frankly I can't believe anyone could listen to the palaver, blatant hypocrisy,
>and posturing the Republicans are doing.  Pat Buchanon is a moron.  What do we
>want?  An American Khomeni?  Forget it.  I figure I will go down fighting to
>the last against his type.  The Republican party stands for freedom for all of
>the rich white people, and that's it.  If it stands in the way of big
>enterprize, the Republicans are against it.  I am positive that a truly
>Republican administration would speak loudly against the evils of pornography
>(for example) and look the other way if it were a big enough business.  They
>are liars and hypocrits--DON'T BE REPUBLICAN!  They represent the biggest
>threat to everything our constitution stands for.  Pat Buchanon is a fascist
>in a thin disguise.   I can't believe anybody would support him.   

I admit that Pat was a little bit too much; however, in my opinion the
"biggest threat to everything constitution stand for" are the Democrats,
not the Republicans.  Dems speak very well, but when it comes time for
action they take all the individual rights of everybody.  Demos given a chance
want to regulate all aspects of people life from who should you marry with
to what can you say.  As a mater of fact they are really the communists,
under a polite term.  Their support for hemosextuals makes me to run toward
Republicans, no mater if I do not agree with all the Republican stands. 
Here in Iowa, we see Democrats terror over the state population. 

Even though, I should say that I respect some Democrats like Ted Kennedy,
Jim folly, and I do not think the Pat's attacks on Ted Kennedy wins any votes 
for the Republicans.

                        With highest regards,
                             Babak   Sehari.
From: rsl30@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Looking for Mehdi Mansouri
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:39:55 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I am looking for a friend of mine, Mehdi Mansouri, originally
from Shiraz.  Last I have heard from him was about four years
ago.  He was living in Long Beech, CA back then, and got
married about the same time.  

Please if you know of his where-abouts, send me an e-mail.

Thanks.
Mehrzad
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:48:41 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center

In article <kot.d100g@lab.ntt.jp>, farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes...
>
>
>So far I have posted a couple of articles in which I summarized
>the highlights of Kayhan Havaii. This should have given people
>a taste of the kind of news it has. I like to continue ONLY IF
>there is sufficient interest out there to justify the effort.
>That is why I am asking people to let me know whether they are
>interested in reading those summaries (that is all, you are
>NOT required to believe all of it  :-) ) So if you are
>interested, please post a short message to SCI (so that others
>can see it too) clearly indicating your interest. If you are
>not interested, please do not post a reply at all (negative
>replies will be ignored anyway since those people can simply
>skip to the next article).
>
>So, here we go ...
>
> - Farzin
>
Dear Farzin;
I think it's a very good idea. I don't see anything wrong with it. So go ahead
and make their days.

sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami
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 *  And many of them are forgiven by god. This life is a stage *
 *  of convenience; Live true and resist all wrong, but learn  *
 *  the best way to do it so. On god rely; else no protector   *
 *  will you find. God revelation comes as a guide and mercy:  *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: When was your first time
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 23:09:24 GMT
Organization: sci

In article <1992Aug21.105355.27525@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:
>
>When I saw the subject title I thought that you are going
>to ask about something more exciting! Like, When was your
>first kiss or ...
>
>                               Kambiz

Kambiz khAn, this is just an apetizer. :-)  On a more serious note I would
like to construct the question such that _everyone_ can participate.  Everyone
is hereby defined as those who subscribe to sci and hence there has always been
a first time for them.  Pretty global, ain't it?

First kiss or ... are fine too, but not _everyone_ has done it so it would
logically exclude some netters.  Dig now?

Khob, hAlA shomA nAz nakon, and tell us when was your first time, please.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: news@fmiapd2.uucp
Subject: TEST
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:01:45 GMT

TEST

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: A public apology to seyyed
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:41:31 GMT


>But common mistakes are acceptable from ordinary people like me, not from an
>"ostAde gerAnghadre AlimaghAme lAfe gazAf gooy" like you. If you really are
>unmatched, it means that nobody is better than you. Then how are we supposed
>to improve our knowledge of Farsi? If our "sokhanvare fasih va baligh" makes
>common mistakes, then bAyad fAteheye zabAne sahih va asile pArsi rA khAnd.
>AghA kAmbiz!
>Have another look at your style of writing above! You are no better than
>"baghAle sare kooche!"

>Seyyed.

     An apology to Seyyed necessiated by his Tablighate SooE

Aghaye Seyyed khan Hala Ma Goozidim shoma az laye sebile bozorgvaretan 
yavashyeki der konid. When I said unmatched it was a TaAne to the one who
was so picky on me and thought he is unmatched himself. But he has not
grasped the sarcasm as usual and continues to be picky. If I was so 
unclear that time, my due apologies to all who thought I could really
mean such a horrible thing (I really have not eaten Maghze khar to
mean such a thing seriuosly). Savade farsi ma ham be Elate zendegi der
farangestan (khareje) nam keshide ast, no denying that. Next time try
to get the point Seyyed and do not bother to count the commas, since 
many of them are really misplaced.

                                        Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran)
Subject: Joke
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:25:36 GMT
Originator: kamrani@gyda.ifi.uio.no


Today's joke:

Somebody told a shireii(drug adict) :Baba In Musawi ham dahan ma
ra service kard

-Mushavi deegeh kieh.

_ Nokhost vazir (Prime minister)

-E, Moshadeq avaz shodeh ?

By the way who is the prime minister in Iran, or does such a title exist
 at  al?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Report: Iran threatening to sue Hyundai
Keywords: Iran
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:08:23 GMT


	SEOUL, South Korea (UPI) -- Iran recently informed South Korea that it
may sue Hyundai Engineering and Construction Co. if the Seoul firm does
not resume construction of a shipyard at Bandar Abbas abandoned 13 years
ago because of turmoil in Iran, a published report said Wednesday.
	The domestic Yonhap News Agency said, quoting ``officials,'' that
Hyundai and Iran have been unable to agree on payment to Hyundai for
completing the project initially contracted for $196 million with the
government of the former Shah of Iran before the Islamic Revolution.
	Yonhap said Hyundai, citing inflation, is now asking for $750
million,including $350 million in U.S. currency and the rest in the
Iranian riyal.
	``Iran says it is willing to pay slightly over half this amount,''
Yonhap said.
	Hyundai signed the shipyard contract in March 1978 but pulled out a
year later after three Hyundai workers were killed in the throes of the
Iranian revolution.
	Yonhap said Hyundai insists the pullout was justified because of the
``unforeseen circumstances'' but is ready to renew the contract. Iran,
however, is accusing Hyundai of a breach of agreement, Yonhap said.
	The two governments will meet in Tehran to pursue a diplomatic
solution, Yonhap added.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Sharia law
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:36:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.080817.24852@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh) writes:

> I have never supported murderers.

Excellent!

>                                   It is you who give some of them special
> chances to pay "dieh" with so and so many camels. 

Did you understand at all what I posted previously? Ok, sorry, I overestimated
your intelligence. In simple words: don't worry about murderers who threathen
the security of the community, Mr. Khalkhaali will take care of them.
Now if a killer does not threaten the community (e.g. he killed because of
temporal anger, ...) and the family of victim wants to forgive, then it is
none of your business.

>                                                   Hey by the way have you
> been working with Mac Arthy anytime, you seem to be paranoid with communism.
> 
> 
>                                            Kambiz 

When you become angry, I understand that I hit right on target :-)
By the way, now that your time is free, why don't you try to fix the misspelling
of your name which is posted as "Iranpovr" instead of "Iranpour" or "Iranpoor".
You see, it's not good at all for a "ostAte adabiyyAte pArsi" that his name be
misspelled. Furthermore, it should keep you busy for sometime and you won't get
into the trouble of the consequences of posting garbage on the net.

Seyyed.
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: News of Iran
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:05:55 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BsIGrz.7p4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>KH is like CHOOPAANE DOROOGH-GOO.  Even if it does report the truth
>people would not buy it.  A few months back I had the shock of reading
>the front page of KH.  It reported about a baby born somewhere in Europe
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that is half pig!  Apparently it indicated the sexual abuse of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe that is the next Saddam ...  ???   :-) 


Ramin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Subject: Re: Iranian women in U.S.
Reply-To: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:51:54 GMT

As Alireza said: "Some of you guys make all Iranian men look like monsters."
There are as much (if not more) cases of battered wives in the States as
there are in Iran.  There are also so many sexual abuse cases (by relatives)
reported in the U.S.A. which is incredible.  

So, please stop looking down at yourself based on the image that is portrayed
by the media.


Regards;
Ramin Moshiri
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