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From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:51:13 GMT

hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>No, there are two types of referee mistakes in most sports. One is in the 
>domain of referee's free judgement, and that is irrevocable even if it is
>clearly a mistake. Examples are: (soccer) not judging a 11-meter after a
>clear foul, which the ref considered not a foul, and (basketball) judging a
>non-existent foot-foul, or personal, or interception in downward path.

And phantom football touchdowns in Rose Bowls.  Sorry, I don't
understand this soccer rule; I'm just an ignorant American.  :-|

>The other type is a material violation of the rules. In basketball, a referee
>can seldom make such a mistake unless it is connected with timing. Example:
>was the last point shot before or after the time expired? If it was judged 
>wrong, it can be overturned.

Not in the US.  Michigan State was eliminated from the men's NCAA
basketball tournament last year (or 2 years ago) on a last-second shot
that videotape subsequently revealed had clearly come after time
expired.  No review in NCAA men's BB, the result stands.  The most
notorious recent result has to be Colorado's TD on 5th down two years
back when they went on to tie for the national championship; the NCAA
admitted error, but by NCAA rules, could not overturn the result.

Officiating is such a thankless job.  Do it perfectly and nobody even
remembers you; do it poorly and you ruin a game, a season, a career,
whatever.  The athletes must be thinking, We busted our butts thirty
hours a week for five years to get here as players; how much time have
you invested as referees?

On the other hand, what alternatives (to referees) are there?  Maybe
eventually, we can have the TV audience subsume the officiating by
voting with special buttons on their remote controls ...

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Tatiana Gutsu (was re: GYMNASTICS: results)
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:56:56 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL


In article <1992Jul29.185431.14013@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>>Is this what's going to happen so that Tatiana Gutsu can enter
>>the all-around individual final? It was so sad to see her fall
>>off the beam ...

Yep.  Last night I heard that because of a teammate's injury, Tatiana
Gutsu will be able to compete in the all-around after all.  Looks like
the EUN hasn't changed its tactics that much.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: SUMMARY: Days Events, News 30-07-92
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:25:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Summary of the days events and news from Thursday, July 30th, 1992.

In the Womens Gymnastics individuals, Tatiana Gutsu of the Unified Team beat
out the US's Shannon Miller by .12 points to take the Gold. Miller took silver
and the Bronze to Lavinia Milosovici from Rumania. Kim Smeskal finished 10th.

In what has to be the comback story of the Olympics, Canadian rower Silken
Laumen, who was severely injured only a few months back, made the finals in,
I think the single sculls, but I'm not totally sure :( Check the rowing
articles for further details.

The US Womens basketball dream team put away the Czechs 111-55....Matt Biondi
and Tom Jaeger of the US finished 2nd and 3rd to the EUNs Alexandre Popov in
Mens 50M freestyle swimming....A US woman, Launi Meili, won only the 2nd gold
ever for US women in shooting in Small Bore rifle....The Australian Pursuit
bicycling team set a world record in their gold medal run....The top two seeds
in Tennis, Jim COurier and Steffi Graf both advanced....The US Mens Volleyball
team needed 5 sets, but put away Spain....Israel got its first Olympic medal-
 Yael Arad took Silver in Womens 61kg Judo....And the US 'Dream Team' basketballsquad goes after Brazil today.

There were 19 Medals awarded:
Equestrian: 3-day event, Individual: Matthew Ryan, Australia
Equestrian: 3-day event, Team: Australia
Fencing: Womens individual foil: Giovana Trillini, Italy
Gymnastics: Womens All around: Tatiana Goutsou, EUN
Judo: Mens 78kg, Hidehiko Yoshida, Japan
Judo: Womens 61kg, Catherine Fleury, France
Shooting: Mens Rapid Fire pistol, Ralf Schumann, Germany
Shooting: Womens Small Bore rifle, 3-positions, Launi Meili, USA
Swimming: Mens 50M freestyle, Alexandre Popov, EUN, Olympic Record
Swimming: Mens 100M backstroke, Mark Tewksbury, Canada, Olympic Record
Swimming: Mens 200M butterfly, Mel Stewart, USA, Olympic Record
Swimming: Womens 200M IM, Lin Li, China, World Record
Swimming: Womens 800M Freestyle, Janet Evans, USA
Swimming: Womens 400M Medley Relay: USA, World Record
Weightlifting: 75kg, Fedor Kassapu, EUN
Wrestling: 57kg, An Han-Bong, S. Korea
Wrestling: 62kg, M. Akif Pirim, Turkey
Wrestling: 82kg, Peter Farkas, Hungary
Wrestling: 90kg, Maik Bullmann, Germany

r.
From: efisch@cs.utexas.edu (Eric A. Fisch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: What is the time difference??
Date: 28 Jul 1992 12:37:38 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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Please excuse this "stupid" question, but what is the time difference
between, say, US central time and Barcelona? How far "ahead" are the
events actually taking place, compared to when they are on TV for the
US?


Thanks,

Eric Fisch
efisch@cs.utexas.edu
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:26:18 GMT


[no need to repeat NBC, Costas diatribe]

I will not go so far as to call NBC's coverage "appalling".

It's too bad that you can't see Costas' sarcasm for what it's worth,
that a lot of this stuff is NO BIG DEAL! We can always go back to
Bryant Gumbel.

Yes, jingoism will be part and parcel of any American coverage. What
did you expect? The American viewer who doesn't watch sports much except 
for the major championships and the Olympics need the prepping that
NBC gives. For us sports junkies, it's repetitive bordering on distraction.

I concede that some of the questioning is macabre. After picking up a 
silver, asking Janet Evans how she lost it late is a bit tasteless.
I'm guessing that the questions came long enough after the event was over
to allow the competitor to get his/her act together, that editing ends
up making it look like the questions were asked immediately.

Give these guys a break, or watch it with the audio down low. Just
quit bitching about it or become a broadcaster yourself!
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From: n2814@ted.cray.com (Jim Stillson)
Subject: Need help, Eagle congrat letter
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:43:45 CDT


A Scout in my troop has earned his Eagle badge (the Eagle application
is in the approval process in Texas).  As I always do, I asked him if
he had anyone from whom he particularly wanted a congratulatory
letter.  Being a swimmer (breast stroke) and captain of the Fridley
High School swim team, he immediately said letters from Matt Biondi
and Mark Spitz (and I would add Esther Williams) would have special
meaning to him.

My problem now is:  where do I contact any of these three to ask if
they are willing to write a letter?  Does anyone know address, phone,
e-mail for any of these?  For that matter; Mr. Biondi, Mr. Spitz, or
Ms. Williams; (if you are on the net) are you willing to pursue the
subject?

Please reply via e-mail as these individuals deserve the privacy they
want for themselves.

Thanks in advance,
Jim

S ~  Jim Stillson; Scoutmaster; Troop 167; Viking Council; Fridley, Minnesota
S ~		   plus many other volunteer positions in BSA.
E ~
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: NBC's Coverage of Men's Gymnastics Team final was BOGUS!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:38:50 GMT

I don't know why your all complaining about NBC's coverage. They show
what the masses (who happen to be asses) want to see. They don't care
about the other athletes, and they know the the people who do care (us)
are locked into watching what they want to show by the NBC monopoly on
coverage. In other words, NBC is only doing what is in its own best
interests. Why should we expect it to do otherwise. Lets not forget what
there are well over 200 million people around here with the attention span
of your average mosquito. (Actually, mosquitos have longer attention spans.
They don't give up until they draw blood or get smacked. My apologies
to the mosquito (sp?) anti-defamation league).

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: JUDO: W's Light-heavyweight Round 4
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:20:02 GMT

JUDO - Women's Light-heavyweight Round 4
========================================
 
TANABE, Yoko			JPN
	defeated
DE KOK, Irene			NED
	by yuko (throw).

KIM, Mi-Jung			KOR
	defeated
HORTON, Josie			GBR
	by waza-ari-awasete-ippon (throw)..
 

** Results complete **

Rod Swift
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 00:05:14 EDT
From: Mervv <IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: USA "Dream Team"

What else is there to say?
From: chuanli@skynyrd.rutgers.edu (chuanli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Coverage
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:25:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <131944@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
> 
> 
> Boring or not, it would be impossible to show ALL the medal ceremonies,
> as some people have indicated that they would like.  It's still early
> in the games, and yesterday 17 gold medals were given out.  At about ten
> minutes per ceremony, it would have taken 170 minutes to show them
> all -- obviously much too much time.  During the last few days, when 
> there will be lots of finals, there will be probably be around 30 
> medal ceremonies each day.  
> 
> Ed

I agree that it would be impossible to show all the medal ceremonies,
but ALL the ceremonies NBC has showed so far were those when Americans
winning the gold medals.  I want to see some gold medalists from other
countries, too. Such as, Fu Mingxia of China (the youngest gold medal
winner in this olympics). 

********************************
Frank 
Department of CS
Rutgers University
New Brunswick
New Jersey
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Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1218 soc.culture.british:10790
From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:45:14 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

All pretty damned confusing innit? It's all historical. There are four
football associations in the UK and they all joined FIFA so they each get to
enter a team in World Cup qualifiers, etc. There is only one Olympic Committee
so it sends just one team to the Olympics (under the wrong name). There is
only one Rugby Union in Ireland so the north and the republic are represented
by one team in rugby union. Cricket, is run by the MCC (Marylebone Cricket
Club) and they have a team which they call "England". In the Commonwealth
Games every little bit of the UK competes separately.

Alternatively, in each sport we split up into just small enough bits to
make sure that we're not the best at it - and other people accuse us of
cheating! Huh! What more proof could you want that we remain the nation(s)
that believe taking part is more important than winning?

Here's an attempt to untangle the spaghetti:

Sport/Event           Names used

Football              England, N.Ireland, Scotland, Wales
Rugby Union           England, Ireland (includes N.Ireland), Scotland, Wales
                      (also British Lions - includes all the above)
Rugby League          Great Britain (includes ?)
Cricket               England (includes all UK)
Olympics              Great Britain (includes all UK and dependencies)
Commonwealth Games    England, N.Ireland, Scotland, Wales, IoM, etc...

Anybody got any more? We must be called the UK in something!

Nick.
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From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Men's Basketball - Munich '72
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:25:21 GMT

Here's my (very old) memory of the game.  Doug Collins hits 2 free throws
with :03 seconds on the clock.  Soviet player takes ball out of bounds.
Apparently, the Soviet coach was trying to get a timeout called, but he
did not do it before a particular event occurred (ball taken out, ball
brought back into play, I'm not sure).  Soviets bring ball into play, fail
to score, time shows :00, pandemonium breaks out.  Someone comes down
from stands (supposedly a high-ranking basketball official, who had
absolutely no power to do anything), orders :03 back on clock, with
Soviet possession.  US coach goes berserk.  Soviets bring ball back in
play, fail to score.  Pandemonium breaks out.  Uh-oh, clock still shows
:03!  Ball given back to Soviets.  US coach has stroke.  Soviets bring
ball back in with full-court pass to Alexandr Belov under the basket.
Two US players fall to the court.  Belov lays it in, game over.

BTW, the head scorekeeper and head timekeeper both filed affadavits in
the subsequent hearing on the game, testifying that the US should have
won the game, under official rules.

Now ask me about how Bob Seagren ended up vaulting in Munich '72 with
a decathlete's poles which he had never seen before! :^(
From: wee@regentdb.uoknor.edu (Wee Win)
Subject: Isn't Olympics for Amateurs?
Organization: Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:39:18 GMT

I always thought(yeah, I know...."I think, therfore I am wrong") that the
Olympics were for Amateurs.  Can someone please explain the "Dream Team"?
And isn't Steve Timons a pro?  And what about the Tennis people?  

Or do I just have the olympic dream wrong?

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-M's 100m Breaststroke
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:43:28 GMT

SWIMMING - Men's 100m Breaststroke Final
========================================

World Record		1:01.29
Olympic Record		1:01.65

Gold	DIEBEL, Nelson		USA	1:01.50 	<-- New Olympic Record
Silver	ROZSA, Norbert		HUN	1:01.68
Bronze	ROGERS, Philip		AUS	1:01.76
------
4	HAYASHI, Akira		JPN	1:01.86
5	IVANOV, Vassili		EUN	1:01.87
6	VOLKOV, Dmitri		EUN	1:02.07
7	GILLINGHAM, Nick	GBR	1:02.32
8	MOORHOUSE, Adrian	GBR	1:02.33


Background - IN qualifying, the quickest competitor was only 0.5sec faster
than the slowest to qualify.

Two finals and two Olympic Records!

** Results complete **

Rod Swift
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From: MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Demonstration Sports in '96
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:06:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

Rebel Yelling will definitely be a demostration event. 8-)
From: duan@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Quanzhu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who is the commentator in the diving?
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:37:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Jul28.153134.15670@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com writes:
>In article KKC@news.cso.uiuc.edu, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>
>Let's face it. You can take the homer commentator from home, but you
>can't take the homer out of the commmentator. Agreed, she may have been
>too strident in her criticism in Fu Mingxha, but she didn't take away
>from the fact that Fu was head and shoulders above the rest. 
>
>Also, Williams was a teammate of the two US divers, so it's natural for 
>her to be rooting for them.
>
>--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com), waiting for the next Charles Barkley
>    technical...




The NBC's coverage makes think they are very narrowminded, aren't they?

Absolutely.




Tony
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From: narsimha@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Narsimha Polkampally)
Subject: Football Results 
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:36:48 GMT

In article <C85PERWE.92Jul29102956@odal24.IDA.LiU.SE> c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se writes:
>
>
>	Sweden beat Marocko 4 to 0 in Football!  Go, Brolin, go!
>

	Could someone please post football results? And Go, LIMPAR, go!

Cheers,
-P
From: rob@cwi.nl (Rob van Rooijen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SOCCER: results group A (complete)
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:29:04 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam



# = number of matches played
W = won
D = draw
L = lost
P = points
F = goals for
A = goals against


Group A
=======

Italy - United States  2-1
14. Melli 1-0
21. Albertini 2-0
65. Moore 2-1
Yellow cards: Verga, Baggio, Albertini (It), Allnutt (US)

Poland - Kuwait  2-0
 7. Juskowiak 1-0
80. Juskowiak 2-0
Yellow cards: Adamczyk, Juskowiak (Pol), Mohammad (Kuw)

                 # W D L  P   F A
                 ================
Poland           1 1 0 0  2   2-0
Italy            1 1 0 0  2   2-1
United States    1 0 0 1  0   1-2
Kuwait           1 0 0 1  0   0-2

remaining matches:

27-7  United States - Kuwait
27-7  Italy - Poland
29-7  United States - Poland
29-7  Italy - Kuwait


-- 

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Rob van Rooijen (rob@cwi.nl)
Library CWI  ++  Amsterdam  ++  The Netherlands
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Summary: Day 2, 27-07-92
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:37:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Summary of Day 2 events at the Olympic games in Barcelona:

13 year old Fu Mingxia won a gold for China in the 10m Womens Platform
diving competition, winning by almost 50 points over her closest rival.

In other blowaways, the US Basketball 'Dream Team' had to work a little,
but had no trouble disposing of the Croatian team 103-70.

The Unified Team took its usual commanding lead as Mens Gymnastics got
underway. The US was in 5th.

There were medals awarded in 12 events:
Cycling: Mens 1km Time trial: Jose Perinan, Spain, Olympic record.
DiviHCz~?ng: Womens 10M platform, Fu Mingxia, China
Judo: Mens heavyweight: David Khakhaleichvili, EUN
Judo: Womens heavyweight: Zhuang Xiaoyan, China
Shooting: Mens air rifle: Iouri Fedkine, EUN
Shooting: Womens sport pistol: Marina Logvineko, EUN
Swimming: Mens 100M Butterfly: Pablo Morales: USA
Swimming: Mens 400M IM: Tanas Darnyi, Hungary, Olympic Record
Swimming: Mens 800M Freestyle relay: EUN, World and Olympic Record
Swimming: Womens 200M Freestyle: Nicole Haislett, USA
Swimming: Womens 200M Breaststroke: Kyoko Iwasaki, Japan
Weightlifting: 56kg class: Chun Byung-Kwan, South Korea, Olympic Record

Scores of note:
Baseball: Cuba 18, Italy 1; USA 10, Taiwan 9
Basketball: USA 103, Crotia 70; Lithuania 87, Venezuela 79; Germany 64, 
Angola 63
Soccer: USA 3, Kuwait 1; Poland 3, Italy 0
Handball: France 18, Spain 16; EUN 25, Germany 15
Roller Hockey: USA 4, Argentina 4; Portugal 38, Japan 0
Field Hockey (women): Australia 2, Canada 0; Netherland 2, Britian 1


r.
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From: mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:37:14 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <CC.92Jul28155243@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

>   Cricket               England (includes all UK)
>
>Scotland has a cricket team, no?  They're not yet allowed to play in
>international matches because they previously played against English
>counties, so the MCC thinks they're an English county too.  Or something.
>--
>	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
>
>		

Ireland ( Not sure if its a cross border effort) and Wales both
have cricket teams. Ireland beat Wales in Dublin earlier this week
I believe. Their status may be that of English minor Counties, 
( Typical Imperialistic attitude :-)) as Ireland anyway annually plays
in the earliest round of the NatWest Trophy. If this is so now it is due
to change as I have heard the next Cricket World Cup will include
some minor (in cricketing terms only of course) nations. Ireland are 
reckoned to be in with a chance of qualification.

I see that the GB Hockey team has a NI player at the olympics. I
thought I heard that the NI players had agreed to play under the Irish
Flag etc. in order that Ireland could compete in the olympics. Did this
agreement fall through or am I mistaken.

Of course Ireland may not have qualified.

MARK
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