HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:53:12 GMT

In <1992Aug18.120553.21519@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
>Initially I thought there was a good point in that the traffic on alt.rave
>doesn't warrant the creation of a new newsgroup, but it just occurred to me
>that this is just the summer traffic we're looking at now... all the kids
>haven't come back to school yet.  I'm sure traffic will double as people
>start getting their accounts back and new people come onto the net.


I really don't think that's germain.  *IF* the traffic doubles, and *IF*
it's really so horrible for "techno people" to be talking along side
"party people", THEN maybe talk about splitting the group.  Right now
that's pretty ridiculously unnecessary.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
        People say that I'm out of touch with reality.  That I'm insane.
    Sometimes I forget things.  Who I am.  Where I am.  Unimportant things.
                       But I'm not insane.  I am a tick.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: Re: >>YES to alt.music.techno
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:12:32 GMT

true, the people out there who make the techno as well as buy it (i consider 
myself one of these people) would like to hear much more about techno. this 
should involve dj's, techno groups from around the world, record labels, as 
well as ravers and those who are just really into the music a lot. i send my 
regards in hope that there someday might be an alt.music.techno...

sines

    respond>>
    **todd sines----email at: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu---digitally.**
    **384 E.17th/Columbus, OH 43201 tel614.299.9529---the rest of the world**
-- 
    respond>>
    **todd sines----email at: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu---digitally.**
    **384 E.17th/Columbus, OH 43201 tel614.299.9529---the rest of the world**
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: alt.mult-sclerosis, where are you?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:21:49 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <7y5mmgf@lynx.unm.edu> jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.174738.2250@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>>What happened to alt.mult-sclerosis?
>>
>>Good question ... after all that discussion about The Right Name, we
>>never received a newgroup for it.  :(
>>
>OK, I tried to newgroup it, but apparently failed, and my news admin is
>not answering my mail.  Any advice from someone on how I do this?  I
>used Pnews to post a message like a newgroup message I found in the
>control newsgroup.

Someone created it; it just showed up her on netcom.  I've not yet
looked in control to see who did it, but thanks to  whoever it was.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: alt.pgp or alt.privacy.pgp
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:04:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.170456.9651@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.063853.228@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
>:One of the problems with this public key system remains key distribution.  If
>:you distribute keys via e-mail there is no way to verify the key you sent
>:is the same as the key received.  To counter this a number of people (again,
>:me included) have taken to placing the PGP public key in uuencoded format at
>:the end of news postings.  This allows a way to independently verify that
>:indeed the key was sent as intended.
>
>Hmm.  I am not sure why news is so much safer than email.  If someone can
>forge email, then they can forge usenet postings, right?

The benefit of the multicast medium of Usenet is that you can go to
an arbitrary machine and verify that the key you transmitted was
received as sent.

No matter what happens people will be able to attach false labels to
themselves.  The advantage of public keys is that no one can appropriate
*my* label if I takes some effort to protect it.

Bill
-- 
SEANEWS  []  Seattle News + Mail  []  Public Access  []  +1 206 937 9529
(hit 'n' to skip uuencoded PGP Public Key)

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Why Alt.Music techno? Read this....
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:56:35 GMT

arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:

>   "Rave" is not music.  It is a kind of event that includes music --
>especially techno -- but much more besides.  "Narcs at raves," "rave
>clothing," "why can't ravers really dance," etc. -- these are rave
>issues that belong in alt.rave.  But techno isn't just a subset of
>raves.  It has a musical language of its own, and it raises issues that
>go beyond the rave scene. Furthermore, techno has other contexts than
>raves (see my number three above).  

So what is the argument behind not using rec.music.industrial?  You and
EIVERSO seem to keep slagging the fact that you can't post music specific
content in alt.rave, when in fact, nobody has ever been flamed for it.  Then
you ignore the existence of rec.music.industrial, a group with a much wider
distribution than you'd ever get from the creation of alt.music.techno.  I've
seen some decent discussions regarding Moby, Kraftwerk, Derrick May, Detroit
techno, and other related topics that absolutely thrived in
rec.music.industrial.  Surprisingly enough, neither of you come to mind as a
person who fertilized any of them.

>   Finally, I think that "just because we want to" is one -- though not
>the only -- good reason for starting alt.techno.rave.

This is your mistake.  There are over 1500 newsgroups coming to my site right
now.  A large percentage of them (like alt.wolves, alt.music.enya, and other
groups I have protested the creation of) have little to no traffic at all.
Minor groups like that are a waste of space, have poor distribution, and
detract from discussions that could do better in larger groups.

>If a number of
>people feel strongly that they want to get together on USENET and talk
>about what interests them, shouldn't we respect them enough to let them
>try out their idea?

FOR				AGAINST
--------------------------------------------------------
EIVERSO				Pete Hartman
Arthur Chandler			Pete Ashdown
edd586ysft			laura.l.la gassa
Todd J Sines			Peter Alexander Merel
Curt Malouin			Vitamin B
				Mike J. Brown
				Bloo Square
				Greg Earle
				Lazlo Nibble
				hawkeye
				John Davison
				JAC
				Steve Smith

So almost three times as many people have spoken against alt.music.techno as
for it.  Shouldn't you "respect" these people's wishes as well?

>There are already enough people and institutions in
>our lives that prohibit things we want because they "know what's good
>for us."  Why not, in USENET at least, let the people who want a techno
>group decide what's good for them?

Unfortunately, the minority does not rule the majority.
-- 
			  I'm not wearing any pants.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Xref: sparky alt.config:5282 alt.rave:2525
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 22 Aug 1992 12:41:15 CDT
From: <U37424@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
 <1992Aug15.203206.15752@bnr.ca> <168459DB0.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
 <1992Aug17.005222.23212@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>

Well, if anyone cares what I think....


3There should be a rec.music.techno created.... My site doesnt get

alot of the alt* groups, including alt.rave... (That is my primary site

doesnt.. if I really want I can get alt.rave, but I have to use this

crummy CMS crap, when I prefer UIUC's 'nn' so much more)...

so thats my 2 cents


-Dan
Xref: sparky alt.config:5245 alt.folklore.computers:12805
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: suggestion for alt.religion.computers.assembler
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 11:03:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

Given the appearance Yet Again of the Charles Lasner vs Everybody else
assembler discussion (aka "assembler is better than
C/Pascal/Forth/Basic/Intercal" "is not" "is too" "is not") in
alt.folklore.computers I will send out newgrps tomorrow for
alt.religion.computers.assembler, barring any suggestions in the meantime
for a better name.

					- k
					(the highlight of this suggestion
					 is that it gives Chris and Susan
					 Colvin *another* 'froup to
					 inappropriately cross-post to!)

-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: problem with alt.uu.* groups?
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:50:16 GMT

In article <0ncpbwxr@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, cudep@warwick (Ian Dickinson) writes,
flaming esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington):

>>I have thought of suggesting alt.utopianism as a forum where people
>>can put forward ideas and have them discussed in an atmosphere where
>>utopianism is the norm.
>
>As yet another newsgroup from your fertile mind, which you discard soon after?

No, no!  You are mixing up people, I am the guy you are supposed to
flame for creating too many newsgroups (in the alt.society and alt.uu
hierarchies) and being part of a contest of who gets the most
newsgroups created, Will is just an innocent bystander who gave some
suggestions for the alt.uu groups and has contributed to UU.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:57:09 GMT

    I'm all for it -- a group just for us techno philes! Count me in!
Let me know when it's started!!
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Please include For your newsgroups file: line
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Aug12.174554.2139@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Aug12.150831.42295@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
	<1992Aug12.222848.17211@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Aug13.085645.42309@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.085645.42309@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:

   In article <1992Aug12.222848.17211@midway.uchicago.edu>,
    elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
   > Somebody needs to be clearer about creating lines for the "newsgroups"
   > file, then:
   > 
   >   alt.sewing              Working with needle and thread.
   >   rec.crafts.textiles     Sewing, weaving, knitting and other fiber arts.

   Spaf made up the "Working with needle and thread", not me.  The
   alt.sewing group was always intended to include everything related to
   sewing including fabric making (weaving) and knitting and such. There
   were quite a few weaving and loom discussions on the group before
   rec.crafts.textiles was even thought of.

I know there's no requirement in alt, but please include a Spaf-style
For your newsgroups file: line when you issue a newgroup control message.
(This is an example of what can happen when it's left out.)
--
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YESSS!!!
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.rave
Summary: NOOO!!!
Keywords: Techno
Organization: Sun Microsystems - JPL on-site Software Support
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:29:30 GMT

Techno and Raves are inextricably entwined; I see no reason (no traffic) to
have a separate newsgroup for the music.  alt.rave and rec.music.industrial
can more than handle the minimal load that discussion of Techno now
generates.

I vote no.

Xref: sparky alt.config:5120 talk.bizarre:25628 alt.elvis.sighting:8
From: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.elvis.sighting
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.elvis.sighting
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:14:03 GMT
Followup-To: control,alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.elvis.sighting
Organization: 'Be at Peace, and Peace will be with you.'

root@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (PENIS-MAN Network Administration) writes:
)
)Another tiresome newsgroup created by carASSo@netcom.

Very clever indeed.
First, this newsgroup is not tiresome, unlike your personality.

Within the first day, at the new sites it was received, 
twenty individuals took the time to post to alt.elvis.sighting.
On subject such as:

	Subject: 57-year-old Elvis MARRIES Mississippi Waitress
	Subject: Elvis is alive and living in Luella Valley!
	Subject: Elvis is...
	Subject: Elvis manifestation in my toner smudge.
	Subject: Honeymoon in Vegas
	Subject: How much does Elvis weigh?
	Subject: I saw Elvis Twice!
	Subject: I saw Elvis two or three years ago! 
	Subject: I saw him!
	Subject: Re: 57-year-old Elvis MARRIES Mississippi Waitress
	Subject: Re: ELVIS
	Subject: Re: GOOLEY: I SAW ELVIS
	Subject: recent news from jpl
	Subject: sighting, 1989
)
)Not discussed in alt.config, per standard altnet newsgroup creation 
)guidelines. 

I will not tolerate a vote that would slow down the creation of an
obviously popular newsgroup, especially given that the death of Elvis
will have been 15 year, THIS WEEK.


)Please remove.

Please fuck off.

Let each site make the decision as to whether to keep a.e.s.


Roger David Carasso,
Net Personality

p.s. any further annoyances will cause
     alt.send.junk.mail.to.root@anomaly.sbs.risc.net to be created.

-- 
____________________________________________________________
___________________________ If you'd like my phone number,
Roger David Carasso,        please me ask and I will give it,
Celebrity                   so that we may talk about life.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.good.news
Subject: alt.inappropriate.followup
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:55:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: me myself and i

When you followup, have you ever been struck by that "I wonder is this
an *appropriate* followup feeling?" For example, you're reading
alt.good.news, you hit f/F, and then you wonder "does my followup
really contain enough GoodNews for the readers of alt.good.news?" If
you have ever experienceed this feeling, then take heed, for I have the
solution.  You simply xpost your followup to alt.inappropriate.followup
as well. In fact, I can see alt.inappropriate.followup being the root
of a whole modality hierarchy, eg:

alt.inappropriate.followup.probably
alt.inappropriate.followup.maybe
alt.inappropriate.followup.well.mom.says.it.is

People not wishing to read inappropriate followups can then simply kill
anything xposted to alt.inappropriate.followup.*.

If there are no serious objections to the alt.inappropriate.followup
hierarchy, I will send out newgrps on the next blue moon.

Tx. [problem solved]
--
check my header - "give me a smart bear and fuck the nazis," freud said.
From: madavis@nmsu.edu (Mark Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: rmgroup alt.peace.corps
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:37:27 GMT
Distribution: alt.config
Organization: Computing Research Lab


With the co-existence of alt.peace-corps, alt.peace.corps
should prolly be rm'd.  The forgery of alt.peace-corps was
the result, ultimately, of someone's inability to
appreciate anarchy.  But we go on as best we can.

mark
--
*************************************************************
***   M. W. Davis,             madavis@NMSU.edu           ***
*************************************************************
***       "Crap and Art still toiling together"           ***
*************************************************************
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:08:30 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Aug12.174554.2139@midway.uchicago.edu>,
 elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> Not analogous.  Alt.aquaria, so far as I can tell, is for people who
> aren't taking sides in the endless rec-vs-sci-aquaria war.  Alt.sewing
> is for a _subset_ of textile crafts.

Excuse me, but I created alt.sewing, and participated in the move to
rec.crafts.textiles.  The groups have identical charters.  Trust me.

> Did you object when rmgroups were issued for groups like alt.tennis
> and alt.restaurants, when they were superseded by Big Seven groups?

I didn't object to this rmgroup until it turned into one per week.  I
still don't object to it. What I object to is the ongoing rmgroup war.
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: How does Alt.Bloom-County sound?
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:50:54 GMT

alberti@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Albatross) writes:
>In <94265@bu.edu> navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria) writes:
>>How would people feel about an alt.bloom-county group?
>>I don't _think_ there's anything out there which would be appropriate ...
>
>Other wise, there's rec.arts.comics...

...strips.  

Since Breathed's work is already discussed regularly in r.a.c.strips,
I'm a little perplexed about why it's not "appropriate".

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:05:23 GMT

In article <16843E6A8.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Well, how about it?

Have you read alt.rave?  It includes lots of discussion of music, postings 
of rave flyers, reviews of performances, raves, records, and compilations.
It might be just what you've been looking for.

Laura
Xref: sparky alt.config:5163 soc.culture.nordic:5112
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: alt.whale-hunting
Keywords: whale-hunting, Norway
Date: 15 Aug 1992 17:52:24 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config,soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Aug15.125535.18867@news.uit.no>, tomg@stud.cs.uit.no (Tom Grydeland) writes:
> 
> The newsgroup is intended to take the discussion out of soc.culture.nordic
> where it has a doubtable place today. I know this is a hot issue, but it
> has no real place to be discussed.


Two comments:

1) The creation of a group will not 'take the discussion out of scn'. The
creation of a group to remove a flame from an exsiting group has never been
successful in this aim; the new group has simply provided ONE MORE group to
include in the cross-post

2) The subject matter already has two potential groups for discussion already;
talk.politics.animals and talk.environment. We do not need a third











-- 
Richard H. Miller                 Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu
Asst. Dir. for Technical Support  Voice: (713)798-3532
Baylor College of Medicine        US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H
                                           Houston, Texas 77030
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:28:38 GMT

     We were calling Thomas Dolby and Flock of Seagulls
"techno-pop" way back in the old days of 1983, well before the
concept of a "rave" existed.

     As far as I can tell, there's a continuing tradition there.
I assume TECHNO is stuff like The KLF?  Wouldn't have been out
of place in 1983.

     Of course, if The KLF are Antichrists of TECHNO, I stand
corrected.

--J.
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:33:35 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1984@dutiws.tudelft.nl>, maas@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Frank Maas) writes:
> And by the way, Jef isn't playing net.god (there is only one :) ), but he
> is doing the right thing. At this moment the charter for comp.graphics is 
> the same as that for alt.graphics. However, those who post in alt.graphics 
> have a fast less distribution than the comp-gr-posters.

So? There are a lot of alt groups that duplicate mainstream groups.
Are you now going to start issuing rmgroups for alt.aquaria and
alt.sewing just because they are duplicated by rec/sci.aquaria and
rec.crafts.textiles?
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:42:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Aug17.214844.25287@ima.isc.com>, karl@ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.091736.42353@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>>In <4721@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>>> Is alt.sewing supposed to be aliased to rec.crafts.textiles?
>>
>>No.  I see no reason why the two groups can't co-exist.
> 
> Let's ask the other way around, then. Do you see any reason why I *shouldn't*
> alias them?  It does make things simpler for the users if they can read one
> group rather than two identically-chartered ones, after all.

That depends on how your news software works.  If followups in the
merged groups end up in the original group, even though it doesn't
exist on your system, then the only objection I see is some confusion
on the part of your users as to why poeple are taling about the group
alt.sewing when the article clearly appears in rec.crafts.textiles.

When you follow up an article that was posted to alt.sewing, will the
followup end up going to alt.sewing?  If it goes to alt.sewing, and
you don't carry alt.sewing, will it propgate correctly to other
systems and show up in alt.sewing there? If the answer to either of
these questions is NO, then I wouldn't recommend doing the alias.
Otherwise you will end up merging the two groups on more than just
your system, but mixing the discussion between the two group.
Currently there is very little crossposting between the two groups.
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444