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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Swedes of the year
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:07:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.114637.4719@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:

>Given that the book that told his version of the murder-hunt had the 
>title "Olof Palme {r skjuten" ("Olof Palme has been shot"), I'd say his 
>talents as an author are rather limited, just as his police talents 
>were... Who *didn't* know that Palme had been shot several years after?

Holmer's theories about Palme murder were so close to fiction that I'd say
he has fairly good chances of becoming a fine author. I believe he has
really moved from 'fact' to fiction since "Olof Palme {r skjuten".
His novels are supposed to be realistic descriptions of police work.

>Tomas

Janne Kivela"
From: pem@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:46:45 GMT
	<1992Sep8.015939.21382@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Student

In article <1992Sep8.015939.21382@athena.mit.edu> raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.224842.24474@corax.udac.uu.se>, pem@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin) writes:
>|> 
>|> Why the Norwegian name? Both the letter and the person who named the unit
>|> Angstrom are Swedish. The letter was adopted in Norwegian and Danish in
>|> this century.

>Sorry.  Swedes like to take credit for that letter, but I read in an 
>encyclopedia that it originated in Germany (yes, really!), and got to Sweden 
>via Denmark.  It was discarded in both German and Danish (where it 
>eventually reappeared), but the Swedes adopted it into their own language.  
>Later on, of course, Norway and Denmark also adopted it.

What encyclopedia and what did it say excactly?

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From: dgolber@aero.org (Dave Golber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:53:23 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: midnight.aero.org

>
>   For about 15 years there has been a scavenger hunt* in Silicon Valle
>   to find the word in Norwegian that is the name for the little circle
>   above the A in the character (some character, I don't know then
>   name of the character either) that starts the name of Angstrom.
>
>To the best of my knowledge, it has no particular name. "The a with a ring
>over it" is not regarded as a composite character; it is the 29th letter of
>the Norwegian alphabet. When referring to that particular *part* of the
>letter, it is called "ringen i }" --- "the ring in }" ( } represents "the 
>a with a ring over it" ) 
>
>Thus, the status of the ring is not like that of an accent, but (more)
>like that of the dot in such characters as `i' and `j'. 
>

I suggest that when people consider questions like "what is the name of
the letter that's like an A with a little circle on top?" ... or ANY
question about other countries and cultures, it is helpful to orient
yourself by asking a similar question about your own country and culture.

So: for all you native English speakers: What is the name of the letter "A"?

Does this answer the question?

Dave Golber


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Keywords: Norwegian Alphabet
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:40:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.094846.27323@odin.diku.dk> zaphod@diku.dk (Ole D. M. Lennert) writes:
>The verb "bolle" means "to fuck", so no, that is not (I think) why
>it's called "bolle-\{aa}".

Sorry, forgot the smiley. And the official English translation of "bolle-}"
must be "a river used for procreation".
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From: singer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Interest rates (ala Eriksson)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:15:32 GMT

Tomas Eriksson's very extensive analysis of the Finnish-Swedish Disease was
very interesting. I shall nominate him for the Swede of the Year Award if he
can inform those of us outside the Sjukhus whether we should be buying
short-term Swedish Treasury Notes or their equivalent. --
From: zaphod@diku.dk (Ole D. M. Lennert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Keywords: Norwegian Alphabet
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:48:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.212531.20675@odin.diku.dk> zaphod@diku.dk (Ole D. M. Lennert) writes:
>>No no no. It's "bolle" - at least, that's what my old school teacher
>>told me. A "bolle" is a round cake. The thing over {\aa} is also
>>round. 

>Bolle? As in "bolle" - the verb? Is that why it's called "bolle-}"?

The verb "bolle" means "to fuck", so no, that is not (I think) why
it's called "bolle-\{aa}".

Ole Lennert
E-mail: zaphod@diku.dk

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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Swedes of the year
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.131510.3463@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:

>business; one (Hans Holmer) used to head the Swedish counter-intelligence
>in the 1970's (which didn't catch a single Soviet spy during his years
>as head of it...), nominated becuase he led the hunt for Olof Palme's
>killer... 

Hans Holmer is currently a writer. Does anybody know if his books have
been great successes or miserable failures? I saw him about a year
ago promoting his new novel in a bookstore in Helsinki.

>Already several years ago, phrases like "you qualify as the Swede of the 
>Year" were serious insults :-)

Does anybody have a complete list of the winners of the award for the last
ten years? Do they still have this award?

>Tomas

Janne Kivela"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Swedes of the year
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.075426.9246@nntp.hut.fi>, f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.131510.3463@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>
>>business; one (Hans Holmer) used to head the Swedish counter-intelligence
>>in the 1970's (which didn't catch a single Soviet spy during his years
>>as head of it...), nominated becuase he led the hunt for Olof Palme's
>>killer... 
>
>Hans Holmer is currently a writer. Does anybody know if his books have
>been great successes or miserable failures? I saw him about a year
>ago promoting his new novel in a bookstore in Helsinki.

Given that the book that told his version of the murder-hunt had the 
title "Olof Palme {r skjuten" ("Olof Palme has been shot"), I'd say his 
talents as an author are rather limited, just as his police talents 
were... Who *didn't* know that Palme had been shot several years after?

>>Already several years ago, phrases like "you qualify as the Swede of the 
>>Year" were serious insults :-)
>
>Do they still have this award?

I don't think so.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: steve@oceania.com (Steve Dakin)
Subject: Need help finding font for Swedish email
Reply-To: steve@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:13:38 GMT


Hi all,

I'm looking for a font that I can use to improve the appearance of email I  
receive from a friend in Sweden.  What I would like is to have the characters  
that show up as brackets {,},[,] and |,\ on my screen to be 'magically'  
transposed to the proper Swedish letters (the a and o with two dots over it and  
the a with a ring over it).  I'm using a NeXT, so a NeXT-compatible font would  
be great, but I could probably use a Mac font as well (I've been able to  
translate Mac fonts to NeXT format in the past).

NOTE: I can generate those characters on my keyboard, and as such am currently  
able to do a search and replace, it's just rather tedious.  Hey, anything I can  
get the computer to do for me...

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide,

Steve
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 steve@oceania.com (NeXT mail)       Palo Alto, CA (415) 322-0127
 jester@oceania.com                  "That one deserves a...WOW!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Interest rates
Summary: sorry...
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:55:58 GMT

>The finns decided to pull the Finnmark (FM) out of the European
>Monetary System (EMS),

What did Norway say to that?

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Finnish newspapers/birthday traditions
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<1992Sep15.084056.10955@hellgate.utah.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:38:31 GMT


>>>>> On 15 Sep 92 08:40:56 MDT, lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette) said:
 >   In a few weeks it will be my girlfriend's birthday, and she is Finnish.
 > I would like to get a copy of the front page of any major Finnish newspapers
 > from her birthday, September 30 1972.[...]

Lee> You want to give her a bunch of advertisements for her birthday?  :-)

Lee> (Sorry, couldn't resist.  I could never figure out why the Helsingin sanomat
Lee> would often put nothing but ads on that valuable front page.)

Another Finnish newspaper Uusi Suomi made a joke of that. Something
remarkable happened (I don't remember anymore what it was) and Uusi
Suomi had pics of front pages of several newspapers around the
world including Helsingin Sanomat. All the other newspapers had big
headlines and pictures of that important incident and Helsingin Sanomat
had those usual advertisements. Kind of funny.

btw Uusi Suomi is not published anymore due to financial problems.
Maybe they should have put ads on front page too....

-Heikki
--
   Heikki Suopanki          *     Mother stands for comfort
   suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi *     Mother will hide the murderer
   University of Oulu       *     Mother hides the madman
   Finland                  *     Mother will stay mum
From: evans_t@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: lost friend in finland.
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:10:16 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

I am looking for a young Finnish Girl  by the name of Tuija Johanna Videnoja.
She would be turning 22 years old at the end of the month.  Her home is in
Mustanlahdentie Finland  and I know that she is attending a school in Kokkola
Finland.  She is a nursing major .  I would appreciate any help in locating
her.  She is a very dear friend of mine and I haven't been able to contact her
in quite some time.  If anyone knows her or knows how I might get in touch with
her please let me know or have her write me at school.



                                                Tammi Evans LD#3
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Finnish newspapers/birthday traditions
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:40:56 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Sep15.020212.22182@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
u920487@postoffice.utas.edu.au (David Allingham) writes:
 >   In a few weeks it will be my girlfriend's birthday, and she is Finnish.
 > I would like to get a copy of the front page of any major Finnish newspapers
 > from her birthday, September 30 1972.[...]

You want to give her a bunch of advertisements for her birthday?  :-)

(Sorry, couldn't resist.  I could never figure out why the Helsingin sanomat
would often put nothing but ads on that valuable front page.)
  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   . . . . Lee Choquette . . . . . . We're going to keep having these  . . .
  . . lchoqu@asylum.cs.utah.edu . . . meetings until we find out why  . . .
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . nothing is getting done . . . . .
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:00:20 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:

>> O"

>How about "but"

With a severe norwegian accent :-) !
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From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: Unnecessary polluation
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.114456.25585@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
}Down with the Rally of Thousands of Polluated Lakes.
}
}>I remember hearing that one transatlantic flight consumes more fuel than
}>all the F1 cars during the entire season.
}>
}It is however not "sports"...like F 1 is said to be.

Yes it is.  The vast majority of tansatlantic flights are strictly for
entertainment.  Sort of like a sports rally.  

I've made 6 transatlantic flights from Seattle to Europe, every one for
sheer enjoyment.  And the pollution generated from those flights was
deposited directly in the stratosphere--where it will do the most
damage.  So there.  :-)

-- 

Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Finnish newspapers/birthday traditions
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:17:12 GMT

In article <SUOPANKI.92Sep16023831@zombie.oulu.fi> suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi writes:
>
>>>>>> On 15 Sep 92 08:40:56 MDT, lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette) said:
Lee> You want to give her a bunch of advertisements for her birthday?  :-)

Why not? Wouldn't it be nice to know the special offers of her birthday?

Lee> (Sorry, couldn't resist.  I could never figure out why the Helsingin sanomat
Lee> would often put nothing but ads on that valuable front page.)

In Finland newspapers apparently have a front page and an "editorial
front page", which is the (2*n+1)th page. N is 0 most notably for
Hufvudstadsbladet (although they do have an ad on the front page
quite frequently), 1 for many papers, like HeSa, and even 2 or 3, if
the interest of local grocery stores so demands.

>Another Finnish newspaper Uusi Suomi made a joke of that. Something
>remarkable happened (I don't remember anymore what it was) and Uusi
>Suomi had pics of front pages of several newspapers around the
>world including Helsingin Sanomat. All the other newspapers had big
>headlines and pictures of that important incident and Helsingin Sanomat
>had those usual advertisements. Kind of funny.

Maybe in a country as expensive as Finland the most important piece of
news is whether maksalaatikko is cheaper at Valintalato or Elanto.
And I do think tkat they should have compared the subscription prices
of these newspapers as well. HeSa and Hbl cost around 800 mk/year,
whereas, say, Politiken or Berlingske cost ca. 2000 kr (1500 mk)/year.
I'm not necessary willing to pay that much for getting editorial
material on the front page, even though I'm paying the difference in
my groceries. Besides, isn't the front page most prone to damage
during transport? 

BTW, both HeSa and Hbl have the most important information of the
paper on the last page. Whatever that is, is left as an excercise
for the reader B-).
--


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: Accents/Dialect in Tromsoe
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:40:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.072541.10162@ugle.unit.no> hallvard@immhp3.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.215526.20856@nas.nasa.gov>, mkoblas@sun422.nas.nasa.gov (Michelle R. Koblas) writes:
>Michelle,
>|> What can anyone tell me about the accents in Tromsoe?  I've lived in 
>|> Norway (Bergen) and have begun corresponding with some folks in Tromsoe
>|> (currently in English and via e-mail), but I'm curious how well my 
>|> Norwegian will stand up getting involved in actual conversations.  I know
>|> that some areas (like Trondheim) have pretty strong accents/dialects.
>|> 
>|> What can folks tell me about Tromsoe? 
>|> 
>|> Thanks!
>|> 
>
>	I'm sorry to say: It's the people in Bergen who has the
>strongest accent of any of the above mentioned cities! ;-)
>
>	Hallvard (the horrible) Paulsen

'Ka???  Vi ha'kkje akkksang herrr  (please insert your own skarre 'r' ;-)

Hilsen,
Thor
Universitetet i B{hrgen
Norway



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From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.134026.22540@kth.se>, tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
> >In Swedish handwriting you often
> >see something that looks like a tilde (~) instead of the two dots.
> 
> I'd say it's more common to see a "bar", i.e. _ (but higher up), than 
> something wavy, like a ~, above a or o to make a" ({) or o" (|). (When 
> I've corrected exams and lab reports I've sampled a lot of handwriting.) 
> I have a feeling that deviations from " (towards ~ or _) is more common
> among females than males.

Note that this 'bar' is not to be confused with the actual 'bar' or
'macron' diacritic used on certain vowels in for instance Latvian
(denoting long vowel), just as the more established 'tilde' form has
nothing to do with the actual 'tilde' diacritic used in Portuguese
(over any vowel, I think), Spanish (over 'n') and Estonian (over 'o'
to indicate a sound I don't think I can even identify) print.

Also, this 'bar' writing is more or less invented yesterday, while
the 'tilde' form in various shapes has been used for centuries,
being developed from the original small 'e'.  In 18th century
Swedish handwriting (German script) you may see two dots above 'u'
or 'y', in which case it's just an extra mark to distinguish them
from similar letters, and tell the reader this is just a plain 'u'
or 'y' rather than for instance 'n' or 'g'...  Something like the
way we use a dash across '7' to really make it stand out from '1'.
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Steak (Was : Norway claiming NY (too late))
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:35:08 GMT
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <RPETER.92Sep4141015@praseo.nmsu.edu>, rpeter@nmsu.edu (R. Peter Herman) writes:
|> 
|> All this discussion of Iowa vs Texas steaks is making me hungry!


Me too !


|> Actually, almost all beef in the US is finished on grain in feed lots
|> and (sacrilege of sacrilege) tastes about the same if it is the same
|> USDA (dept. of agriculture) grade.  
|> 
|> 	What makes the difference is if it is range finished or feed
|> lot finished.  The steaks you associate with the cowboys on a West
|> Texas cattle drive are range fed.  They are about fit for grinding
|> into Big Macs or other fast food.  One of my grad school collegues who
|> had a degree in range science used to call them 4-40 steers (metric
|> 1.3-64?? steers:-) ) in that they had to have a mouth 4 feet wide and
|> run 40 miles/hr to get enough to eat on the sparse range out west, an
|> excercise not designed to improve tenderness.  Out here (West Texas
|> and Southern New Mexico) stocking rates can be as low as 1 animal per
|> sq mi (~250 ha).
|> 


So where does all this lead to ?
Serve the steak - I'm starving !


|> 
|> Am I wrong in assuming that there is little beef (as opposed to veal)
|> raised in Norden?  The only cattle I can remember seeing driving
|> around Sweden were clearly dairy cattle.  Also, beef was even more
|> expensive than most other meat at the Livs, which would indicate to
|> me the added cost of import.
|> 
|> 
--


I think almost all cattle in Norway is dairy cattle - but we eat that,
too, I think.
Beef costs about 120 - 180 kr/kg, that is about 20-30 $/kg, in Norway.


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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Interest rates
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:56:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.175745.12656@tdb.uu.se>, t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman) writes:
>zaphod@diku.dk (Ole D. M. Lennert) writes:
>: The swedes then decided to raise the interest rates from 16 to 25%
>: overnight, so foreign investors wouldn't be interested in buying
>: swedish Kronor (SKr). But to be absolutely certain, the swedish
>: national bank then decided to raise the interest rate to 75%!
>
>Ehh? That doesn't make sense to me. The whole purpose of raising the
>interest rate is to make investors buy Swedish crowns, to make money flow into
>Sweden.

Quite correct. Early last week there was a large *out*flow of currency 
from Sweden. If you think Sweden will devaluate, you most definitely 
*don't* want to own Swedish currency, becuase it could become, say, 10% 
less worth overnight. To counteract this currency flow you (1) raise the 
interest rate, which makes it more favourable to own that currency, (2) 
try to convince currency dealers that there won't be a devaluation. 
Last week's raise of the short-term interest rate in Riksbanken (the 
interest rate banks pay) to 75% (plus a reinforcement of the currency 
reserve) was successful insofar as to generate a large *in*flow of 
currency to Sweden. Whether international investors will believe that 
Sweden never will devaluate, or if similar actions will be needed again 
in a few months or so, we'll see.

By the way, Riksbanken lowered their interest rate to 20% this morning.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden