HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.231953.20713@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
(Chunde Shi) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.222042.6238@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug26.214839.18126@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
> >
> >Oh, did you?! Good! So, at least you are claiming that you have a little bit  
of  
> >something respectful.
> >
> >Carl
> Please do not play game with me! 
> focus on issue, the original one, or leave along.

Ok, I was talking about a group of anti-social people who will not fit in any  
societies. They will complain in all kinds of societies. It has nothing to do  
with whether they love their motherland or not. Their are simply losers. If you  
think you are among them, then I am sorry. If not, then welcome you to join in  
the discussion.

Also, do not always relate anything with patriotism. You are here not only for  
just showing your patriotism. If you relate anything with patriotism, then I  
bet you will feel insulted almost everyday. Please try to keep your  
blood-presure low.

Regards

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:32:46 GMT

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>Not interested.  I am not interested in making China, or any nation, a
>superpower.  That will bring that country uncontested leverage elsewhere in
>the world, and create problems for other nations.

Yes, Saint Nelson.

Anyway, I want suggestions to improve China.  Whatever the motivation or
goal....... it seems that nelson is attacking my motivation, and not
really contributing to how to improve China.

Even if you don't want China to become a superpower (only a country which
grows Bananas overseas), you can at least think about how to improve
the country's economy, by creating more middle class, while at the
same time, keep the agricultural industries strong.  Or how to boast
exports, how to make things more efficient, how to improve people's
living standards (which are far behind HKG and Taiwan).

My suggestion:

Expand light industries, like plastic products, semi-conductors,
garments, printings, etc, etc....

Start a computer industry, which will help export, plus help
Chinese computer knowledge grow.

Find more fertile land, to keep the Agricultural industry going,
growing.

Investment in research and development, especially in alternative
energy... as the coal power stations are huge environmental threats.

Start a heavy industry... in building cars, ships, etc.  I mean,
China can build weapons and exports them, why doesn't China build
cars/boats/transport_equipments, and exports them?

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
From: hbonney@io.Tymnet.COM (Hugh Bonney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Science in China ques
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:22:14 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)
Originator: hbonney@io


  >>From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
  >>Science in China (Part 11)
  >>
  >>In 688 AD, the empress Wu Tse of China has a pagoda 90 m (294 ft)
  >>tall built of cast iron.
  >>
  >>In 695 AD, the empress Wu Tse of China has a cast-iron column
  >>made from about 1325 tons of iron to commemorate the Chou dynasty.

  There is a saying quoted in various places that "You may have an
  iron threshold for a thousand years, but the end is always a grave."
  One can see more or less what this means as we are all mortal, but
  I was puzzled by "iron threshold". Does the above imply that there
  was a time when iron was a symbol of wealth and power as well as
  strength? That is, the Bronze Age was long over in 695 AD, but was
  iron still a luxury or restricted in distribution? Or just 1325
  ton chunks of it :-) ? The Romans used Bronze beams in the Pantheon,
  but I thought it was because they were expensive and didn't rust.
  They used iron staples and pins in other construction. Perhaps
  putting together Wu Tse and the saying is anachronistic, I hope
  someone will be gracious enough and tell me..

  And thanks very much  to Mr. Yong for this series of posts.

  Hugh

  --415-961-6286---408-922-6198-work------------Hugh-Bonney-------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: NGFZH@livid.uib.no
Subject: Re: What about Tibet?
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 2 Sep 1992 10:25:37 EMT


Yes, in this summer, only 15 days ago, I saw the saling of a
human skull in Xigarze Hotal, Xigarze, the second city in Tibet.
I think we still can buy it now. It is information to the persons
who don't belive or interested in.
ZH

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:36:00 GMT

In article <65500075@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes..
>esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.053313.10212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>>yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>>Actually, both statement are true, Dalai Lama and most his f
>>So were those christians who believed Jesus refused to punish the
>>Roman with storm. Do you know how many people they killed in the
>>"Dark age". Whether Dalai is one of the salves holders is still a
>>a question for me?
>
>
>>>>Were slave holder, they kill their slaves and use their slave's blood
>>>
>>>This lie is so ridiculous it's pathetic.  You would have us believe that
>>>THe Dalai Lama, a man who opposes killing (it is completely against
>>>Buddha Dharma), has killed people and used their blood as a sacrifice?
>
>>>You insult our intelligence.
>>>
>>>P.S.  Please don't take this personally. I'm not calling you a liar since
>>>you probably believe this fiction created by your government.
>
>Mr. Calvert's original post was not seen by me before, I still cannot
>find it.(It's that because of our system's problem?), Tibeta did practice
>slavery system, you like it or not, that is the fact, the USA practiced
>slavery just 150 years ago, you can not imagine that either, Dalai
>Lama did use the slave's blood as a sacrifice, you have difficulty
>to understand that? Christianality also opposes killing, so what?
>
>Mr. Calvert should not trust his intelligence too much, should base
>his understanding on the fact, should read more history book published
>in your own country first. (In your words, the fiction produced by
>your own government)
>
>Ze Yang
When I visited Qing Hai in 1984, I saw drum made of human skin and rice
bowl made of human bone!! Those were on exhibition. I was told that those
were made by the Slave Masters in old Tibet. I just do not believe that
this was a communist propaganda and those were actually made by somebody
else. What Dalai says today does not necessarily in accord with what he
did yesterday and what he will do tomorrow.
c.q.
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:22:16 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug31085204@math12.dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Aug29.000335.319@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
>>>>>> "Shiping" == Shiping Zhang <ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov> writes:
>
>...
>>What's wrong to ask others do the same? Even being asked, it's still your
>>choice.
>
>  Shiping>   Not if asked under gun point.  :-)
>
>You still have a choice even being asked under gun point, but you better
>know what you are doing ;-).

  Yea, you always have one choice under any circumstances.  Here your choice,
  the only choice, is sacrifice -- either what is asked or your life.

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tyoung@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tony Young)
Subject: Re: Anonymous Post!
Keywords: anonymous posting IS possible
Organization: Unknown
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:57:33 GMT

This is a test.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re:  Request for Anonymous post!
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:01:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.194811.13409@menudo.uh.edu>, zou@bluebonnet.egr.uh.edu (Xiang  Zou) writes:
|> In soc.culture.china article  
|> <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> you wrote:
|> > Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
|> > originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
|> > 					            A.P.
|> 
|> It is a kind interest to know that one can post anonymously and read the  
|> discussion about this.
|> 
|> I really want to share this fun but, however, I do not know how to do  
|> this. Would you please tell me
|> 
|> how can I post anonymously and what the basic step to trace back.

Only "a interest"? Hmmm, I doubt about your motivation so I keep the secret, other
wise there could be another "Mao" in the net. Sorry.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:31:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:

    >  Top ten most fashionable words:

    >  10.  you jerk
    >   9.  you idiot
    >   8.  you hypercrotic
    >   7.  dogshit
    >   6.  bullshit
    >   5.  what-so-ever shit
    >   4.  ass
    >   3.  asshole
    >   2.  f**k

    >   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:

    >   you communist running dog!  

Good summary.  I often browse other news group, and I seldom see
these words and accusation in other groups.  There are many
debate going on, but seldom do they have to use these words.

When can we learn to debate without raising our voice?
When can we learn to be passionate and yet be tolerant of
differing opinion?  When can we learn to express ourselves
without resorting to slanders, shouts, condescending or vulgar
words?  When can we learn to agree to disagree?

-cw-
P.S. No offense to the majority of the posting.  It is just a few
that got me.
_____________________________________________________________________________
C.W.Chung       Objectivity Inc.      Object-Oriented DBMS  Tel: 415/688-8023
                800 El Camino Real,   Menlo Park CA 94025   Fax: 415/325-0939
                                      email: cw@objy.com    or  uunet!objy!cw
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From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject: Re: Tibet and Taxes
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:18:27 GMT

In article <715009644.21302@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Information about Tibet
>
>Chinese observor, Yishan ZHANG (who attends a meeting of Human Right
>Committee of the United Nations), spoke in Geneva about the situation in
>Tibet on 21th August 1992. He said that  Tibetan population in Tibet is
>2.19 millions, which is a double of Tibetan population in 1950,
>according to 1990 Census of China. Among the whole population in Tibet,
>Tibetans occupy 95.46% and Han Chinese occupy 3.7%. Since 1952, the
>central government has invested near US$3 billions in Tibet and collects
>no single penny of taxes out from Tibet.


I heard a `rumor' many years ago that some money China returned to USSR was 
from a special mine in Tibet. Can anybody prove it ? Even it is true I think 
it is believable that central government invested much more than what
it took.

I remember that there are aroud 4 millions Tibetan live out of XiZang, but in
Sichun, Qinghai ...., Do TIs want all of these regions?
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese reform (1980 - 1991)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:08:18 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <714923644.23762@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Chinese reform (1980 - 1991)
>
>	China GNP		GNP per capita
>1980 	US$81.27 billions	US$82.90
>1991	$356 billions		$307.45

Your figures make me very confused. I remember in early 1980's,
Deng Xiaoping said China should double twice in 20 years so that
the GNP per capital will be $1000 in 2000. That is to say, the
GNP per capital at that time was about $250. After 11 years, the
GNP per capital increased only about $60, or 24 percent.

Where does your 1980 GNP per capital $82.90 come from?

Xiao Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:27:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.113239.12546@cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au (Joyous Dave) writes:
>I'm very disappointed in Chinese people.
>
>I want to improve China, improve its people's living standard,
>improve its productivity, improve its economy, improve its
>stand in the world.  And I asked people to contribute suggestions
>to how to improve China.
>
>I got handful of constructive suggestions, but tons of noise and
>flames on ideological differences, history, general complains, or
>pure noise.

So all you want are people who agree with you, huh?  Can't stand people who
disagree with you?  Then try to become the next Mao, and no one will dare to
disagree with you.
>
>I feel that Chinese nowadays like to feel pride that they belong
>to the oldest civilization in the world which still exists; but
>when asked to do something to contribute, they hold back.
>
>It seems that people don't care about China anymore, and lack
>a nationalist spirit (remember the songs you used to sing? like:
>"I am Chinese", "Desendants of Dragon", "Be a Brave Chinese"??)
>people become too comfortable in Western societies, and don't care
>less about helping their root, and blood brothers!

But the point is, if we do what you suggest (suppress Tibet, invade
Mongolia, etc) that will *not* improve the condition of China.  It will only
make China a bigger version of Serbia.
>
>"Drink Water, Think Source"

The ancient Chinese loved peace.  Think of *that* source.  The spirit of the
Chinese is not to go around and annex territories.
>
>Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
>PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
>the country!

OK, here we go.  (Not that anyone has the power to make this happen all at
once)

1.	Have democratic elections.

2.	Let all provinces that wish to become independent or wish to become
	a part of another country (e. g., Inner Mongolia) become independent.
	They might be better or worse off because of the independence, but
	it's their own choice.  Better to let them depart peacefully than to
	let them stick around disgruntled.

3.	Decentralize the government.  Having all decisions made by one
	central government will *not* work, even if that government were
	democratic, since the Chinese are a diverse people and the geographic
	and other features of the various provinces are very different.

4.	Reinstitute the sense of morality into society, and give it new
	meaning.  Set strong penalties for sexual discrimination/harassment,
	for example.  Crack down on pimping/slavedealing.

Do you feel better now?  But have you realized that my suggestions, good or
bad, and even if they were the most brilliant ideas in the world, cannot be
carried out by anyone?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>> ...
> I am too old to feel flattered for that.
> ...
>I do plan to go back to China, and believe it is a good choice for me, myself
>too. It was carfully thought dicision, not only on personal basis, also on
>observation the society of States.

What's so hurting that makes you post two responses in 1.5 hours?  Are you
really too old to survive here? :-)

The original message was CLEARLY addressed to some of the overseas CSS
who are FGNCing and ass-kissing CCP/CG at same time, your original message
merely happened to be chosen to start the topic/discussion :-)

It's fine that you plan to go back, there was a Cambridge Ph.D. on SCC who
announced that he would go back and he did it in a few months in 1991, and
his return is verifiable - his big name is printed on People's Daily from 
time to time, page 1 or page 3, don't know if you can make yourself 
verifiable like that Cambridge Ph.D. :-)

Anyway, don't bother to start the mess on which system is better (or your
"observation"), simply watch the direction of main stream of immigration,
people always vote by their feet like yourself!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaos@ee.ubc.ca (xiaotian shi)
Subject: LOOKING FOR Xu, Xiaoliang in U. of Minnesota
Keywords: Xu, Xiaoliang from Zhejiang U.
Reply-To: daveg@ee.ubc.ca
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:15:49 GMT

 I am looking for Mr. Xu, Xiaoliang who may study or work in the Dept. of
 Electrical Engineering at the University of Minnesota now. Could you please
 tell me, if you know his e-mail address and tel-number? 

 Thank you for all of you.
  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re:What Would Lu Xun Say?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:23:00 GMT

In article <92239.225131XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>, <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>>From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
>>Subject: What Would Lu Xun Say?
>>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:25 GMT
> 
> 
>>I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu Xun,
>>one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even
> 
>      What do you mean by Zhong1guo2-tong1 here?  Seems like a japanese
>      who knows China well.
> 
>>fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you
>>think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?
> 
>>Robert Sanders
> 
>          Lu Xun already answered that kind of questions many times:
>          Mei1 Jiou4 Le.
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Do you mean "Unsavable"? Then Mei2, not 1. Any way good call.
> 
>          X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:01:54 GMT

cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) wrote:
>A lot of Chinese students became "pro"-CCP after they came to the West, 
>before that they were "anti"-CCP. I am one of them.

I admire your courage to admit this, however it would be great tragedy
if the nowaday's overseas Chinese Students and Scholars follow the
pace of their upper/older generations overseas Chinese: they didn't
like KMT/CCP, and they left China for good, when they settle down abroad,
therefore had NO FEAR about KMT/CCP, they go back to kiss KMT/CCP --
in the guise of loving China, loving her more only when they are abroad,
and enjoying their "superior Chinese status" but NENER go back to live 
under KMT/CCP (they know what they will be if they go back to live there :-)

What's the immigration inequality?  Here it is:

The love to CCP/CG of American Chinese >= that of foreign permanent
resident (Chinese) >= that of Chinese who are applying for foreign
PR >= that of overseas CSS >= that of CSS still in China   :-)  :-)

>I am so glad that a lot of people from mainland are really matured
>politically. I guesss this is one of the good effect of Culture Revolution,
>among other effects(good or bad).

Congratulation on your NEW FGNC theory!!!!  And thanks to the "Great
Proletarian Culture Revolution" that killed millions of Chinese and
created such bloody theory/such a wise Chinese :-)

Can't agree any more on this "matured pollitically": unlike those 
upper/older generations overseas Chinese, who stupidly cursed KMT/CCP 
when they just came abroad, then they had to eat back their own sh*t  
when they went back to kiss KMT/CCP (or eat KMT/CCP's sh*t :-).

Nowaday's overseas CSS know how bad KMT/CCP WAS/IS and SOME of them know 
how to play to achieve their maximum effect in this no-risk-to-lose game,
(most of them will go quietly claim the benefit of of the "bloody" greencard
anyway, just like they have done in changing J-1 to F-1/H-1, though they 
cried loudly against it) nor they will have to eat back their own sh*t :-)

What's the Chinese traditional idiom describing such a wisdom?  Here it
is:  You4 Yao4 Dang1 Biao3 Zi0, You4 Yao4 Li4 Pai2 Fang3   :-) :-)

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
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From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re:      Shen Tong's Showdown
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:21:00 GMT

In article <BtyKnw.932@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, "T. Bao" <I990002@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU> writes...
> 
>It is really interesting that Shen Tong's timing to trigger the most
>sensitive nerve between China and US coincided with several big things.
>His wisdom and calculation was used to the best. Very impressive.
>His sacrifice will definitely trade off: passage of greencard bill,
>endorsement of congresspersons and Democrat's precident candidate.
>No, he won't sacrifice that much because the US will take care of him
>very well. That's for sure. Masters always take care of their running
>dogs.
> 
>Shen is giving Bush a pair of small, yes, very small, shoes to wear. The
>shoes are so small that Bush is in real miserable situation. I feel sorry
>for George that even with his well established political skill he may
>still lose his career in the hands of a young democrat from China. Who says
>that Chinese Americans are not very good at politics?! Look at the
>new immigrants from China and you will get encouraged. Some of them
>may get into Clinton's cabinet. If I were Clinton, I would promote Shen
>to be the embassador to Beijing. The reason: Yellow can only be beat
>by Yellow ( Yi3 Huang2 Zhi4 Huang2). ;0
> 
>Well, it may be a good idea to change my major to political science so that
>I can get some leftover in time. Oh, I should cover up my political
>ambition. Yes, I am gonna fight for democracy and human rights in China.
>The most glorious job ever existing in this confusing world.
> 
>Democracy fighter, what a beautiful name!
> 
>T. Bao

Deng Xiaoping once reportedly said that Bush's being a president would
benifit China more than Democrats. China need to do something for his
re-election. If this is true, then, Shen would be released very soon.
Also, Bush at this moment decide to sale F-16 to Taiwan. Beijing is 
going to protest. But listen to the tone. I doubt that it will be as
loudly as Beijing did to Paris. Again, Bush will get another help hand
from his old friend in Beijing.

After all the politics in Washington will not depend on the politics 
of Beijing or IFCSS. Economy is a much bigger concern. Is American
ready to have a governor of a second class to run this "first class"
country? Reamain to be checked!

c.q.