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From: Lisa S. Lewis <lisas@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: later milestones
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton  University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:50:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.220840.8095@ast.saic.com> Buffy Hyler,
hyler@ast.saic.com writes:

>
>BTW, do kids learn to skip on their own or does that fall into a
>learned skill?  I believe it is the latter.  When my son was going
>through a kindergarten readiness evaluation the evaluator put down that
>he did not know how to skip.  She was going through each of them with
>me.  I told her that to my knowledge no one had ever shown him how to
>skip.  I asked if they taught that skill in the pre-K class.  She said
>"no", but the children do skip around the playground on their own.  I
>sort of made a disbelieving sound that this could be on the test and
>she kind of brushed it off with a comment about it showing
>coordination.  I've noticed that my son is a little slow in wanting to
>try out some of these physically oriented activities but that once he
>makes up his mind he wants to do it he can learn it in a few days/weeks
>(depending on the skill).
>
My child has had some gross motor delays, but oddly enough he began to
skip spontaneously a few months ago.  He was about 4 yrs three months
when he did this.  He now skips all the time, and he has added galloping
to his repertoire.  I was convinced that his occupational therapist must
have taught him this, but she  did not.  And his IEP (individualized
education plan) had skipping down as a gross motor skill to be worked on
in the fourth quarter of the school year.  Since he is in a 12 month
program, this would be in the summer (when he turns five.)  So I guess
the answer is that some kids just figure out how to skip on their own,
but it for those who don't, it's a skill that can be taught around 4 1/2
or 5.

I can't believe that skipping is a prerequisite for kindergarten, though.
 I'm sure they are just looking for indications of gross motor ability,
and that's a common skill that preschoolers do figure out.  		

Lisa
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:20:00 GMT
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>In any event, getting back to the original question: should I "tell"
>or "not tell" if I come across a friend's children indulging in pre-
>teen sex play, I'd say it's important to realize that _they aren't my
>kids_. Making a stealthy suggestion to the parents that their kids
>might be developing sexually is about as far as I personally would
>feel comfortable sticking my nose into their business.

Okay, one last post on this topic and then I promise to butt-out.
If I remember the original post (correct me if I'm wrong), 
the kid in question was not a friend's kid, but rather was a family
member.  Kids in my extended family are not my kids, but I feel a
much greater responsibility to them than I do for a friend's kid.
[drift alert:
I recently had something going on in my extended family that I felt
driven to butt-in.  My niece is 3 and she doesn't talk.  My BIL and
SIL seemed to be doing almost nothing to help her get diagnosed because
they are trying to ignore the problem, thinking that it will go away
on it's own.  Stealthy suggestions did absolutely no good.  So another
family member and I have been really putting pressure on to get something
to happen.  True, my niece is not my kid, and my BIL and SIL may resent
my interference.  Butting-in certainly will not make me popular, but
I have come to the point where I feel it is necessary for the sake of
the child.  Note that by butting-in, I mean talking with the parents.  I
do not mean making unilateral decisions on behalf of the child.]

Parents sometimes need help.  I know that I need help sometimes in raising
my own kids (that's why I subscribe to misc.kids after all :-).  If my
child were in a potentially dangerous situation, I would want somebody to
alert me, especially if I could do something to help.  Now, the question
is:  do you think that sex experimentation is a potentially dangerous 
activity?  Obviously, I do, but of course we may disagree.  I heard on 
the radio that AIDS has become a major cause of death among kids.  It is 
projected that by next year, AIDS will be the 5th leading cause of death 
among kids.  In my opinion, this is too serious to ignore when it comes 
to kids experimenting with sex.  

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: nipple confusion and feeding newborn glucose-water???
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:16:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.193105.19919@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:

>She also told me that even though I had requested no bottles, Marie
>probably (almost definitely) got one.  This made sense in hindsight to
>me since the nurse who brought Marie to me initially told me she had a
>good suck (how would she know if she hadn't given her a bottle?), yet
>Marie had trouble nursing at first.
>
>I may be paranoid, but I would suggest keeping someone you trust with
>the baby at all times.  

If you can, get the pediatrician to specify in the written orders
for the baby that it should have nothing by mouth other than breast
milk.  If the nurses violate the doctor's written orders, see to it
that they get reamed for it.

By the way, it's a good idea to work out a separate neonatal plan
(analogous to the birth plan) with the pediatrician.  Items about the
care of the baby are the pede's concern; it's worthless putting them in
a plan for the OB.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things to do with 10 mth old
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:05:48 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Oh, and Robin (almost 11 mo) is into manipulating objects - dropping
balls into cups, then taking them out (these are small balls - not
choke hazards, but easy for him to handle - he stole them from our
loved Discovery Toy Strike a Ball). I also found a Fisher Price House
meant for the old large 'little people' that has a door that opens and
shuts, a roof that can be opened, and a hole in the roof leading to a
slide that drops the small objects dropped in out the side of the
house. He loves manipulating it.

So some easy to handle balls and cups (we use both our commercial
stacking cup set and various plastic containers from food) can make
for a fun playing session, with the baby doing most of the work. 

He also enjoys manipulating large objects, like long wooden spoons and
other long objects. He holds them and sits there just waving them back
and forth, just by moving his wrist. I think he's experimenting with
the feel of it. He also pushes his little Tykes car/walker around the
house instead of riding on it. Sometimes he pushes it around the house
with his sister (32 lbs!) riding on it, and she's holding her feet up,
she's not helping!
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:06:56 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

dld@litwin.com (Deanna Delapasse) writes:
|> I'm curious about half-time versus 3 days a week part-time
|> employment.  The astronomical day-care prices make part-time
|> unaffordable (you pay full price if you're there at all),
|> but every other day seems tougher on the Mom.  What do you
|> think ??

I work three days a week (MWF all day).  Due to the nature
of my job (academic), that doesn't mean that I'm off
Tuesday/Thursday as much as it means that I just don't go in
those days.  I sometimes work from home on my off days
(including weekends), and occasionally come in those days
(bringing baby with).

Day-care is still expensive.  Jordan is in an in-home
arrangement.  She charges $2/hour for part-time, $1.60/hour
for full-time, so I pay $60 for 3 days (as opposed to $80
for 5).

On the other hand, I have two days a week where I don't
really _have_ to do anything.  If I had a job that didn't
reach out and grab all the time I would give it (i.e. a
scheduled office job of some sort), then I really would only
be working every other day.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:54:13 GMT
Reply-To: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Corporate Customer Services  NCR Dayton WHQ-4E

In article <1jmncaINNcg4@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>I used them for a couple of years and loved them. I never got pregnant, but
>that is hardly a recomendation. When I did stop using them, and tried to get
>pregnant it took 1.5 years and help from an accupuncturist to get pregnant.
>
>Laura Floom



Just to add another data point, my wife has used sponges for 3-4 years and
we've never had an accident (cross your fingers :)).  Both times she
has been pregnant it occurred within a couple of months of trying.

Kurt Staiger
From: onn@hertz.njit.edu (ruth onn ece fac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Summary: Euphemisms
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:51:43 GMT
Followup-To: onn@hertz.njit.edu
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan20.215406.18366@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>I don't really like the label "gifted".  One reason is because I don't
>like the unspoken implication that the _other_ children didn't get "gifts".
>In the 60's? 70's?, in New York State, certain children were "accelerated".  
>This term didn't bother me as much

Isn't it funny that there are euphemisms for "smart", a supposedly
positive attribute, as well as for "dumb".

Ruth. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: jacuzzis in labor rooms
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:36:06 GMT

In article <9301241600.AA07282@crl.ucsd.edu> dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson) writes:
>Reid Kneeland writes of tubs/whirlpools in labor rooms:
>
>>Sterile?  Unless they boil the water first (not likely), the tub in the
>>hospital is absolutely NOT sterile.  And your body is at least
>>accustomed (resistant) to most of the bacteria in your house.

>Well, speaking as a former physcial therapist who "sterilized" many 
>whirlpools where yucky, infected wounds and burns were cleaned, I
>can tell you that there are indeed ways to brings the bacterial count
>in such places to nil, using lots of disinfectant, hot water, and 
>elbow grease.  I am sure no less would be done for the whirlpools/tubs
>in labor rooms.  (I know this is technically not sterile, but it is
>definately cleaner than home bathtubs.)

OK, you've got a nice, almost-sterile tub and what do you fill it
with?  The same non-sterile tap water you get at home.  I would also
reiterate my point about the types of bacteria invovled and your
relative resistance to them.  I would also point out the the tub in the
L&D room may indeed have been thouroughly scrubbed after its last use,
but how long ago was that?  There are lots of bacteria floating around
in hospitals; who knows what has settled into the tub since it was
cleaned?  I still maintain that assuming a reasonable level of home
sanitation, the hospital tub is no safer for a woman with ruptured
membranes than a home tub is.  (Note the conditional phrase; if you
only clean your home tub twice a year, that's another story.)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: reading readiness
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:25:37 GMT

Reading readiness hits different kids at different ages.  Rather than wait
until age 7 to teach reading, it makes sense to me to wait, unless you get
clues that a kid wants to read earlier.  I read well before 5, and no one
taught me.  I just did.  I suspect Alex may be the same.  He knew all letters
(untaught) and could spell and recognize his name (taught) by 2 1/2.  He also
reads one other word: NO :-).  He "spells" all the time - random letters as
far as we can tell.  We read, together and separately, all the time.  So I
suspect one day we'll just notice he can actually do it.  I'll wait a couple
years (he's exactly 3) before I pay any attention to reading skills otherwise.
From: rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:12:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.134715.18641@spider.co.uk> alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
#Suppose two people join a company on the same day, work equally hard,
#and are equally valued and appreciated.  5 years later the leave on
#the same day.  One is leaving to work for another company, the other
#to have a baby.  In this country at least, person A will be praised
#and congratulated and told s/he'll be missed.  Person B will be
#gossiped and whispered about and someone will no doubt say "that's
#what you get for employing women, they're just not committed".
#This _really_ annoys me.

This really annoys me too!!!!  I have recently had some sitter
problems and have had to either bring my daughter in to work w/ me
or stay at home (I tried to lobby for work from home for 8 weeks
after my 6-week maternity leave....NOT!!).  We have an employee who
has some severe allergy problems and he is "allowed" much more
leniancy (sp?) than I am.  To top it off, these folks seem to think
they are fairly liberal!  Regardless of the eventual outcome, I
*will not* allow them to make #1job, #2family!!  It's ridiculous,
and people wonder what's wrong w/ the children of today?  I say
what's wrong w/ the adults/society!!

Gee that felt good!

#(I'm not sure how folk would react if person B were a man, staying
#home with his kids, possibly better). 

You're probably right.


 -rhonda
  mom to Cherie 16 weeks!
From: mxc1059@ucs.usl.edu (Carroll Matthew)
Subject: test
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: use
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:05:38 GMT

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From: cstxqbe@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (The Tall BlondE)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:35:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

Hello..

Having just asked around the terminal room we found:


Mary                            Maureen
  Marie                         Matilda
  Maria                         Macey
  Mahrie                        Martha
  Mary - something              Mandy
Misty                           Marcella
Melissa                         Margot
Magdeleine (sp?)                Margeurita
Madeleine                       Margeurite (sp?)
Moira                           Milly
Melody                          Marion   Marian
Margaret                        Marilyn
Marjorie                        Martine  Martina
Maxine                          Meg   Megan
Melony                          Melinda     Melindra    Melanrda
Mercedes  (yeah but true :)     Mercy
Madonna (don't ask :)           Meryl
Michelle (etc on SPellings)     Miranda
Miriam                          Molly
Monica                          Maeve
Maya                            May
Manjit                          Melanie

Not bad for a male-doninated group!  :)

Hope this helps..

Kate.   :)|
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From: bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:56:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com>, alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331) writes:
> Hi, 
> that we BOTH like!! 
> 
> any suggestions that I can put before hubby are appreciated!!
> 
> Thanks in advance
My brother and his wife have 5 kids.  Mary's full name is Mary Margaret,
and she has a lot of monogrammed jewelry.  When they started having kids
they thought it would be nice to give any daughters the same initials so
that her jewelry could be passed down to them.  We all had a great deal
of fun suggesting "M" names whenever she was pregnant - especially 
since they needed two of them!   Their daughters are: Meredith Morley 
(Morley is her mother's maiden name), Meghan Marie and Marguerite Mary.  
The boys (just to be fair :-) ) are David Alden and Philip Kelly.

Some other "M" off the top of my head are:

Marlena/Marlene       Michaela                 Maya 
Marcia                Melody                   Marta
Molly                 Marina                   Mara
Maria                 Maribel                  Melissa
Michelle              Maryann                  Melinda
Marilyn               Maryellen/Mariellen      Madonna

Hope you see one you like!  Good luck!

Beth
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       ___  \   O /  ___   It is better to be a fool than to be dead.
      /    \ \   / /    \            - Robert Louis Stevenson
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    /___/ | <>   <> | \___\   
    O  ___|    ^    |___  O
     /     \  -^-  /    \    Beth Barter
    /   /\  \_____/ /\   \    Bellcore
    \_ / /          \ \_ /   Livingston, NJ
    O   /   /\   /\  \  O   bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com
         \ /  \ /  \ /   
          O    O    O
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Good Dog Carl ( Was: ! ! ! STOLEN  BABIES  ! ! !)
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:53:45 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software

In article 1ji27bINNnk1@mizar.usc.edu, biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
>In article <28048@sybase.sybase.com> peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock) writes:
>>
>>What do the rest of you think of these books?  We would love to love them
>>(wonderful, humorous illustrations, great fun for story-telling with pre-
>>literate babies), but they always open with these rather disturbing remarks
>>from the baby's parent(s), e.g. "I've got to go upstairs [in a department
>>store] to buy Aunt Martha a quilt. Take good care of baby, Carl [very large
>>rottwieler (sp?)]."  Then Mom leaves for the rest of the story and baby and
>>dog cruise the store.
>>
>>This goes on in city parks, at home, any time Mom and/or Dad want to get
>>away for a bit.  As I say the story that follows is invariably charming, 
>>but the setup for it curdles my blood.
>
>I think you're getting curdled up over nothing! From the child's standpoint, 
>I think the dog (isn't it Clifford?) 

No, the dog is definitly Carl.  Carl is a rottweiler.  Clifford, if I remember
correctly, is a big red cartoon dog.

>represents a responsible authority
>figure like an aunt or teenaged sibling. But one which is fun. The idea
>of an oversized pet is also appealing to kids

That's Clifford again.  Carl is a regular-sized rottweiler and is not a caricature.
>
 -- what's wrong with a little
>fantasy in books? If children's books only reflected things that went on in
>real life (or, 'proper' things that went on in real life), they'd be very
>boring indeed. As would be the kids who read them. 
>
>If the issue is teaching responsibility, I think from the context of the 
>books the dog is a responsible babysitter (and this isn't an issue where
>it's a 'bad example' the kids would try to imitate). If the issue is
>child abandonment, I'd say that's a non-issue, that's where the dog comes
>in. And if the issue is 'this can't happen in real life' then you'd better
>go burn all the children's books we've all grown up with!
>
>In my opinion ....
>
>Susan


All of what you say seems plausible, but my gut feeling is the same as the
original poster's.  We were given "Carl's Christmas" as a gift and the first
and only words in the book are the parents saying "We're going to Grandma's
and then to church, take care of the baby, Carl".  Seems to me that not only 
are the parents irresponsible, but what is Grandma going to say when they get
there without her grandchild?  Just a bit too weird for me, no matter how 
much fun Carl & the baby have later on.  Fantasy is fine, let's do Narnia or
the Wizard of Oz, not child abandonment.

Alison
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Developmental Milestones: Humorous
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:41:57 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <2527@shaman.wv.tek.com>, alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan
Jeddeloh) writes:
> MOTOR SKILLS
> 	o Opens OREO and eats filling first

     This is the way Michael (2.5YO) has always eaten Oreos (tm).  It
was natural for him, since he discovered early on that sandwiches
(PBJ, grilled cheese, etc.) disassemble.  It makes cleanup more
difficult, of course, but it felt so good to see him eat an Oreo the
RIGHT way the first time he got one.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | Just crank that volume to the point of pain.
Email is life!   | Why waste good music on a brain?
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Flammability (was: Re: A few Questions)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:42:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.100513.17157@marie.uucp> perryh@marie.uucp (Perry Hutchison) writes:

>> in the USA any infant garment sold as sleepwear has to meet
>> certain levels of inflammability.

>Am I the only one who thinks it a bit peculiar to require sleepwear, but
>not daywear, to be flame-resistant?  Seems to me a kid is far more likely
>to encounter an ignition source while up and around than while asleep.

That's true; the danger is that the time when the kid is most likely
to be up and around without parental supervision is during the night and
early morning.  The legislation was passed in response to cases of children's
clothing being set aflame by stoves and heaters while their parents slept.

Of course, sleepwear is really whatever the child sleeps in, whether
it's marketed as such or not.  The law does not force parents to dress
their children in flame-resistant garments.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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