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From: flynn@ocf.berkeley.edu (Owen John Flynn III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal vs. Purdue (was: Weekly top 25)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:29:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Sep10.152347.7840@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>
>>>I can't see Cal winning by less than 20 at Purdue.  Purdue is better
>>>than they have been, but that's like saying George Bush is getting
>>>better on environmental policy.
>>>
>>>My prediction:  Cal 31 Purdue 10
>>>
>>>sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
>>
>>  ...and that coming from a Boilermaker! :-)
>>
>...and it has anti-woof written all over it...  :-)
>
>cmuck

...and oh how the Woofing Gods have listened! Purdue trod heavily all over
our hopes of a top 10 team by midseason, as well as spoiling Russell White's
chance at the Heisman his final year.  About the only hope for respect by
season's end is to BLOW OUT several games (and the nationally televised
Kansas game would be a great start), and a win at UW (not with this week's
team, of course) would put things back on track. I'm posting quite late,
so I haven't seen all the inevitable net.slamfest.Kal and the wounded
retorts of my fellow fans, but here is the only explaination I've heard so
far: the team was so damn cocky coming off the SJSU pasting that they
"played like they practiced; little intensity and sloppy execution," 
according to Head Coach Keith Gilbertson. Not to take anything away from
Colleto and his Boilermakers, but I can't believe that they should've been
able to do that! Preparation must have really sucked on our side.

	Congratulations, Boilermakers. I hope to God that you go 11-0
  this season, and we get our rematch in Pasadena come Jan. 1!8^)
  Cal is still undefeated in conference play, anyway, and if the team
  starts practicing instead of reading their press, who knows?
  I will post after I see the game film this week (I have some friends
  who work in media relations and student-managing the team, so I
  will have a chance to see what the hell happened for myself. I'm sure
  the coach will tell the local press his version of what went wrong and
  how to fix it.

							GO BEARS!
							Go Boilermakers!
							Owen John Flynn III


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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Bama, God, and Bear Bryant
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:54:15 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

>Well, of course in Alabama don't they still tell the story of the Bama
>fan who died and went to heaven, and saw a mysterious figure there
>walking around in a familiar houndstooth hat?   When he asked who it 
>was, one of the angels there said "It's God, but he thinks he's Bear
>Bryant."

   Clemson's legendary Frank Howard likes to tell the story of the time he
went out to 'Bama and visited with Bear Bryant in his office.  He saw a 
red phone and asked the Bear what it it was for.  Bryant told him it was
a telephone line to God.  "You mean I can call God?" asked Howard. 
   "Sure can," Bryant told him.
   "How much would it cost?"
   "Only about twenty dollars."
    The next year, Bryant returned the visit to Howard at Clemson.  He
spotted an orange phone on Howard's desk.   "What's that for?" Bear 
asked Howard.
    "Special line to God..."
    "How much would it cost to call from here?" asked Bryant.
    "Doesn't cost a thing," Howard exclaimed.  "Around here, that's a
local call."

    Frank Howard also claims he had a chance to hire Bryant as an
assistant in 1941, but decided against it.
    "Smartest thing I ever did in not hiring Bryant," he says.  "Why, 
in three months he would have cut my throat, drunk my blood, had my
job and had us on probation."

    Bryant once said "I don't want no dumbells on my squad.  If there
are any dumbells in this room, stand up."  After a minute or so, Joe
Namath stood up.  Bryant says, "Joe, you ain't no dumbell.  Why are
you standing?"
    "I hate to see you standing there all by yourself, coach," Namath 
said.

Priceless...
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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Subject: Re: ACC Predictions 9/5/92
From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:26:39 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <Bu03HI.IIv@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
(Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>
>Haven't seen any yet, so I thought I'd post some ACC predictions for
>discussion.
>
>Ball State at Clemson 
>---------------------
>This is Clemson's usual cakewalk opener. The Tigers will look
>ahead to next week's meeting with Florida State. This should be a
>nice warm-up for them.
>Clemson 51 Ball State 7
>
>Duke at Florida State 
>---------------------
>The Seminoles begin conference play with what should be an easy game.
>Duke is very thin especially after Senior QB Dave Brown unexpectedly
>decided to turn pro after last season. Charlie Ward will start at QB for
>the Seminoles. 
>Florida State 41 Duke 14
>
>Maryland at Virginia  
>--------------------
>Maryland has upset Virginia two years in a row. Most of the starters for
>Virginia are returning, with the only major question mark at QB, where
>fifth-yearman Bobby Goodman will start.  Look for Terry Kirby to get
>plenty of carries - UVa will try to win with a strong running game. 
>Mark Duffner brings the run and shoot to Maryland. The Terps have a
>good Offensive Line, but no proven QB. 
>Virginia 24 Maryland 17
>
>North Carolina at Wake Forest  (JP Sports ACC Game of The Week)
>-----------------------------
>Bill Dooley will be leaving Wake Forest after this season. Wake does not
>have the talent or depth to compete in the ACC.  North Carolina is projected
>for a big improvement this season and may get a bowl bid if things
>go well.
>North Carolina 34 Wake Forest 17
>
>Appalachian State at North Carolina State  
>-----------------------------------------
>NC State is coming off of a great Kickoff Classic win. This one should
>be no problem. 
>NC State 21 Appalachian State 7  
>-- 
>Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
>NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
>U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB
Champs.
>(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional
Champs.
>

Lacking the time to type in the actual data, congrats on some very astute
predictions.

BTW, I travelled to C-ville to see the Terps play UVA. My only observation is
that with a runner like Kirby, he should get the ball a lot more.

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: record for rushing yardage?
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:03:24 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

Jeff@cs.tamu.edu wrote:

}After reading about Faulk's big day rushing, I was wondering in what range
}might the absolute record be for college football, and who is the holder?

Faulk held the record briefly last season after he rushed for 386 yards
on 37 carries versus Pacific Sept. 14.  His record was broken by Tony Sands 
of Kansas, who rushed for 396 yards on 58 (!!!) carries against Missouri
Nov. 23.

Here is the complete all-time top ten:

Yds.    Player, Team  (Opponent)                      Date
=======================================================================
396     Tony Sands, Kansas (Missouri)                 Nov. 23, 1991
386     Marshall Faulk, San Diego State (Pacific)     Sept. 14, 1991
377     Anthony Thompson, Indiana (Wisconsin)         Nov. 11, 1989
357     Mike Pringle, Cal St.-Fullerton (N. Mex. St.) Nov. 4, 1989
357     Rueben Mayes, Washington St. (Oregon)         Oct. 17, 1984

356     Eddie Lee Ivery, Georgia Tech (Air Force)     Nov. 11, 1978
350     Eric Allen, Michigan State (Purdue)           Oct. 30, 1971
349     Paul Palmer, Temple (East Carolina)           Oct. 11, 1986
347     Ricky Bell, Southern Cal (Washington St.)     Oct. 9, 1976
347     Ron Johnson, Michigan (Wisconsin)             Nov. 16, 1968

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Week #1 results
Keywords: n
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:19:57 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>|  521.65 | 08/18  44% | 03-03-02 |   521.65 | 008/018  44% | Gary "Goober" S |
>|  519.50 | 08/18  44% | 03-03-02 |   519.50 | 008/018  44% | John Seitters   |
>|  455.52 | 08/18  44% | 03-01-04 |   455.52 | 008/018  44% | C. John Mace    |
>+---------+------------+----------+----------+--------------+-----------------+

goob and I decided to give everyone a head start...  :-)

Watch out next week, I might move up 10 positions!!!

cmuck
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Hmmm  Texas to Big 10!!!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:37:58 GMT

In article <laubrpINNnqe@cronkite> andy@misha.central.sun.com writes:
>In article 23991@den.mmc.com, kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>>I think Colorado's closest conference foes are Nebraska and Oklahoma,
>>both (Lincoln and Norman) 12 hours away by car.
>
No.  Both Kansas and Kansas State are closer than Oklahoma.  So is
Oklahoma State.

Dave


-- 

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: DESPERATE PSU FAN
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:37:29 GMT
Distribution: na

Thomas A Weston writes
+ PLEASE, ANYONE WHO HAS AN UP TO DATE PENN STATE SCORE (PSU vs. Cincy) POST  
THEM ON
+ THIS NEWSGROUP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

24-20 Pepsi state

I think Cinncy's rally cry was: Remember 81-0!

James
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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:59:02 GMT

In article <1685CB9EC.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>, JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes...
>Notre Dame has a new Defensive coordinator.  He instituted an "attacking"
>rather than "reacting" defense (although I don't think I saw it against
>Northwestern - I hope that wasn't it!!!!).  Now I read that Michigan has
>a new defensive coach - not sure if he's the coordinator - and he is
>instituting an "attacking" rather than "reacting" defense.  He is from
>Texas A&M and he says he wants to get to a platoon system eventually on
>defense.
> 
>I wonder how effective Michigan will be in their first game with this new
>defense.  With Grbac and Mirer, these defenses had better hope that they
>don't gamble because these two QB's are among the best in reading and
>reacting to defensive sets.  Can Michigan stop Bettis as well as they
>did last year?  Can they control the ball (their possession difference last
>year was lopsided)?  Can ND stop Derrick Alexander, who approximates
>Howard (oh flame me please)?  Is Hentrich healthy?  Is Michigan's kicker
>shaving yet?
> 
>My brazen prediction:  Notre Dame 28
>                       Michigan   20
===============================================================================
After watching ND wear down Northwestern on Saturday (as ugly a 35 point win as 
I have ever seen), Irish fans had best hope ND was saving the defense for UM. 
If not, its going to be a lot like last season. Hentrich certainly appeared to 
be healthy putting several kickoffs deep into the endzone (with the wind) and 
near the goalline (into the wind). Mirer also showed an ability to punt, 
putting the ball out of bounds at the three. Mike Miller showed an ability to 
go deep giving their offense yet another weapon. Now that Derrick Brown has 
graduated, the pass to the tight end has entered the play book.
Go Irish! Beat Michigan
From: jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Jeff Mejia))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SEC Championship game (Was Re: Conference realignments)
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:06:54 GMT

In article <68000@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Jeff Mejia)) wrote:
> }                 The reported take for the SEC championship game RIGHT NOW is a
> }cool $12 million ...
> 
> I think the payout is not quite this high - the deal with Birmingham 
> guarantees a $7 million gate and the TV rights have been sold for
> $1.5 million, for a total of $8.5 million.  I think the TV rights
> went a little cheap, so that could increase in the future, and there
> is also the possibility of <trumpet blare> corporate sponsorship.
> 
> "Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Goody's Headache
> Powder SEC Championship Game!"
> 
> -- 
> Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>  "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
>     footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."

I understand that the initial take was $8.5 million, but does this also include
the (mandatory) donations that ticket-buyers had to make to the SEC in order to
get the tickets? If so, the $12 million number (heard on a local sports talk
show) possibly could have included ancillary proceeds, such as corporate
donations and the like.
-- 
	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
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From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal vs. Purdue (was: Weekly top 25)
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:55:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <ASAMI.92Sep12220313@anaconda.cs.Berkeley.EDU> asami@cs.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi ASAMI) writes:
>By the way, were you among the crowd that stormed into the field and
>teared down the goal post?  I wanted to do it once. :)

No.  Even though we had a tickets for the endzone, we found seats in
the John Purdue section, hardly known for their propensity to storm
the field.  Heck, when Purdue beat IU in basketball at the end of last
season, it was a surprise to most to see the fans rush onto the floor.
It was nice to see fans have a reason to celebrate a football win
though.  Its been a while.

>Yes, and you also committed very few penalties.  I heard on the radio
>you had only two penalties in the first half, one for offside and the
>other for celebrating too much after a touchdown (although since the
>Cal announcers were saying "did they celebrate _that_ much?" I doubt
>if it was really a deserved penalty).

Actually, each team had a total of six penalties (this included the
skirmish at the end of the game).  The celebration penalty was pretty
lame.  Nobody around me saw anything which resembled extra-ordinary
celebrating.  We concluded that a Purdue player must have said
something to taunt the Cal players or something to that effect.

>On the contrary, in some arguments+ near the end of the game, the
>defensive co-captains of the Bears (Barsala and Travis) were thrown
>out of the game.  What a shame.  I'd like to apologize to the Purdue
>team and fans.

After the final gun I was watching Colletto.  Colletto shook hands
with the Cal coach and then went explicity up to a few Cal players and
said something to them very forcefully.  I assume it was about the
skirmish (but I didn't recognize any of the players).  Colletto did
say in the papers that it seemed that the Cal players, although
probably not the coaches, didn't expect a tough game from Purdue and
paid for it.  I'm hoping that Colletto can convince his players that
Toledo could come in and reverse the tables on Purdue, if the Boiler
players make the same mistake.  Toledo losing to Akron yesterday isn't
going to help.

>next opportunity is the 1993 Rose Bowl but nobody thinks we will be
>there ;).

Cal has a shot at the Rose Bowl.  Purdue does not.  Purdue would be
ecstatic about a .500 record in the Big Ten.

Carl
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Alliance
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Distribution: USA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:13:16 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Could anyone post a chart/explanation of the bowl alliance(s)??
BTW, don't put spoilers in your subject.
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From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Keywords: beat the hoos!
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:08:05 GMT

Last week: 
JMU 20 @ Va Tech 49
predicted: VT 31 JMU 17

Maryland 15 @ UVa 28
predicted: UVa 21 Maryland 17

record 2-0

Va Tech @ ECU

ECU passed for jillion yards against Syracuse, but still got
beat up pretty bad.  VT's secondary is questionable.
VT QB DeShazo looked promising, so did WR A. Freeman.  Will the
home crowd be up for the next game, or will the be disillusioned?
I think this will go Tech's way.  No woofing here - just a quiet
(dumb?) optimism.  In the ECU series, the home team
generally loses.

VT 24 ECU 21

UVa @ Navy

The hoos looked promising last week and actually made it past a 
pretty decent Maryland team.   Does anyone think Navy will win?
Does anyone care?  Navy should be better than they were last year,
and UVa might (doubtful) be looking toward GT next week.  It doesn't
matter - UVa got going pretty early this season.

UVa 35 Navy 7

Michael Nelson

Go Hokies!  Go Middies!   :-)
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:13:16 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Notre Dame has a new Defensive coordinator.  He instituted an "attacking"
rather than "reacting" defense (although I don't think I saw it against
Northwestern - I hope that wasn't it!!!!).  Now I read that Michigan has
a new defensive coach - not sure if he's the coordinator - and he is
instituting an "attacking" rather than "reacting" defense.  He is from
Texas A&M and he says he wants to get to a platoon system eventually on
defense.

I wonder how effective Michigan will be in their first game with this new
defense.  With Grbac and Mirer, these defenses had better hope that they
don't gamble because these two QB's are among the best in reading and
reacting to defensive sets.  Can Michigan stop Bettis as well as they
did last year?  Can they control the ball (their possession difference last
year was lopsided)?  Can ND stop Derrick Alexander, who approximates
Howard (oh flame me please)?  Is Hentrich healthy?  Is Michigan's kicker
shaving yet?

My brazen prediction:  Notre Dame 28
                       Michigan   20
From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ND/Mich: a tie; Lou Holtz is a hypocrite...
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:51:16 GMT
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL


A game that rocked back and forth, with Michigan having the better of
the exchanges ended in a tie.  First, the most inexplicable thing.
With a minute plus and 3 timeouts, Mich were on the edge of field goal
range in ND territory.  One first down, Michigan called a deep pass
play; Grbac was tapped as he threw and was about 20 degrees off and
was intercepted.   

The play call was inexplicable.  Even if the play had resulted in a
touchdown, it would still have been bad, because ND would have had
1:30 left and a chance to tie or win.  And, until then they had played
it perfectly churning up time as they moved about 30-40 yards and used
up 3+ minutes.  A deep pass earlier would have made sense, but at this
juncture it was asking for trouble.  Much better to keep moving it up
the field and try and kick the field goal with very little time
left...

The second was Lou Holtz essentially running out the clock with about
a minute left.  Actually, I think running the ball was sound.  If they
tried to pass and failed, Michigan could call timeouts and if ND
punted, Mich would have the ball with about a minute at midfield.
Plenty on time to set up for a field goal.  After all, MICHIGAN too
could have called a timeout after the first down play -- for sure
after the second down play when a penalty resulted in 2nd and 10+.
THAT was gutless on Moellers's part (see below).

But, what was worse was Holtz trying to hold forth that he was playing
for the win.  Bullshit; he was ensuring that they didn't lose; trying
to get a first down  and then take a few pot shots with 20-30 seconds
left.  Obviously, if they were down by 1 point the strategy Holtz
would have used would have been VERY different.  IMO, there is NOTHING
wrong in what he did -- lying about it was gutless.

One further point that struck me was that when MOELLER ELECTED NOT TO 
CALL TIMEOUT, he let ND run the clock down to 112-13 seconds and 3rd
and long.  This essentially gave the Irish two free shots at winnig
with very little chance of losing.

Oh well, I am sure we will be hearing more about "playing for a tie"
in the coming days.  Never struck me as a particularly bad thing, when
the odds of winning were very slim, and the odds of losing much larger
(IMO, you have much better win-loss ods say by trying say a 2 point
conversion, than ND had when they got the ball with a minute plus, one
TO, and Mich had 3 TOs).  Holtz made the %age play -- he just is too
scared to admit thats what he did (quick thinking to come up with "I
wanted to see their coverage, but weak!").

Bharat

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