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From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk=Musluman Degildir (**maestro**)
Keywords: none
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:26:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <9212161602.AA12109@gway.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu writes:
|sorunudur.Bu radikal muslumanlarin dunyayi yoketmesinden once
|kendilerinin yokedilmesi gereklidir.

Gec bile kaldiniz ? Adamlara sakin yasama sansi vermeyin ? 
Cunku yasarlarsa yazik olur. Bu dunyaniz sizin Cennetiniz.
Baskasiyla paylasmayin. Sirbli kardeslerin bak ne guzel senin
dedigini yapiyorlar. Herhalde sen ve senin gibiler soylemistir.
Aranizda parada toplayip Yunanistanda cikan konvoylara ekleyip
gondermissinizdir. Sarap yerinede musluman kani iciyorsunuzdur.


|Kimsenin fikri sorulmadan belirlenen ve nufus kadiginda yazan Dini=Islam, 
|sadece yazan kisiyi baglar,yazilani degil.Din ve Sosyal Yapi ile ilgili 


Haklisiniz. Unutmaki zaten inanmayan hic kimseye nufus kagidina
bakarak musluman denmiyor Eminim KAYA kafirininde nufus kagidinda
musluman yazar.

|
|Islam, gelmis gecmis en hosgorusuz,en merhametsiz ve en yikici dindir.

Bu senin sahsi gorusundur. Sadece seni baglar.               


|Bilgileri Ilkokul Hayat Bilgisi ile Lise Ahlak arasindaki bir
|cizgide gidip gelen,patalojik temsilcileri gibi kendiside son derece 
|cagdisi'dir.Halk arasinda hic bir ise yaramayan kuru kalabalik,guruh olarak

Bu plagi ne zaman degistireceksin. Yoksa yazacak baska metaryelinmi
yok.



|adlandirabilecegimiz ummet toplumu cocuklaridir bunlar.Liderleri Sn. Bay


Soruyorum tekrar sen kimin cocugusun ?


|Maestro Can



Ercan
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: TRAGEDY OF THE DEADLY BIRDS / TALKS ON KURDS (fwd)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:27:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Forwarded message:
>From cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk!TEX5HAD Mon Dec 14 11:36:23 1992
Via: uk.ac.leeds.ucs.cms1; Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:25:49 +0000
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:24:30 GMT
From: Haluk DEMIRBAG <TEX5HAD@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: TRAGEDY OF THE DEADLY BIRDS / TALKS ON KURDS (fwd)
To: TRH@JACK.SNS.COM
Message-Id: <14 Dec 92 18:25:37 GMT #4543@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1>

TRAGEDY OF THE DEADLY BIRDS

The United States id offering  175 million-dollar firegate to the
Turks after  the USS  Saratoga destroyed  one of  their warships,
killing five crewmen. A recording of the conversation between the
petty officer who  fired two Sea Sparrow missiles  and a startled
lieutenant has  been made  public. "Birds  away," said  the petty
officer  as he  pressed the  firing button.  "What do  you mean?"
demanded the  lieutenant. "I  thought you said  this is  the real
world," replied  the petty  officer. "I never  said this  was the
real world,"  shouted the lieutenant.  "It's all an  exercise!" A
navy inquiry found the petty officer was merely following orders.
But seven high-ranking officers face reprimands that will destroy
their careers.

THE SUNDAY TIMES, 13 Dec 1992

TALKS ON KURDS

Ankara (AFP)  - Senior  British, French,  Turkish and  US foreign
ministry   officials   opened   talks  yesterday   on   extending
humanitarian  aid  to Iraqi  Kurds  under  the "Provide  Comfort"
operation.   There  are   only  three   weeks  left   before  the
multinational forces' planned presence on the Turkish side of the
border runs out.

Some 1,800 allied forces have been stationed near the border with
Iraq since  July 1991, in  the aftermath of  the Gulf war.  It is
likely that "Provide Comfort" will be extended for the third time
since its inception.

THE INDEPENDENT, 12 Dec 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tekman@ecn.purdue.edu (Erkan Tekman)
Subject: Re: Guzel Turkcemiz...(!)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:18:54 GMT

guzel turkce olayina ben de iki tas atayim bari:

In article <0f=vBGe00WB8EAvaYR@andrew.cmu.edu>, hk28+@andrew.cmu.edu (Han
Kiliccote) writes:
|> 1. "Arap saci" veya "arapsaci" yazimlarindan bir tanesi dogrudur.
|> Hangisinin dogru oldugu ise henuz belli degil!?. "Turk Dil Kurumu
|> polemigi" olacagi gerekcesiyle bu konuda tartismak istemiyorum ama "arap
|> saci" diye bir seyin olmadigini soylemek zorundayim.

eski tdk'ya gore ``arapsaci'' idi, simdiki ``arap saci'' diyor, isteyen istedigi
gibi kullaniyor.

|> 2. Unsuzler benzesmesi ("sert unsuzlerin benzesmesi" terimi pek dogru
|> degil), basinda sureksiz yumusak unsuzlerden biri (c, d, g) bulunan
|> cekim veya yapim eklerinin, sert unsuzlerden biri (p, c (c cedilla), t,
|> k, s, s (s cedilla), f, h) ile biten bir kelimeye ulandiklari zaman
|> olur. Dahi anlamina gelen "de", bir ek olmadigi icin "gecip te"
|> yanlistir.

benim bildigim kadariyla burada ses olarak sert sessiz benzemesi olur, yani
``gecip de'' degil de ``gecip te'' deriz, fakat yazim kurali sessiz benzesmesi
olmamis halidir, yani ``gecip de'' yazariz. 

erkan

not: ben de buyuk harf kullanmiyorum, shift tusu bozuk oldugundan degil, daha
kolay geldiginden. yazip da zahmet etmeyin, bu israrla yaptigim bir hata ;-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: Hasan Tayyip <TAYYIP@ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Noel'in Kaynagi ve Maksadi
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:08:00 GMT


Bir arkadas crismis bayram kutlamasin da bulunuyor. Cehaletmi
desem, ihanetmi desem, kultur yozlazmasi mi desem bilmiyorum.
Bu bati hayranligi ve taklitciligi bizleri nerelere goturecek
acaba.  Konuyla ilgili daha once baska biryere yazdigim yaziyi
yeri geldigi icin buraya geciyorum.


Noelin Kaynagi ve Maksadi;
...
Esas olan, bir hiristiyan gelenegi olarak Noel degil, TR de yapilan Noel
kutlamalarinin neyi ifade ettigidir. Bunun icin su soru ya kisaca da ols
cevap vermemiz gerekiyor."Noel kutlamalari toplumumuzun hangi kesimlerin
de itibar gormektedir? Noeli bir bayram olarak kutlayanlar kimlerdir ?
Modern bati ve Hiristiyan dunyasi ile yakin munasabet icine giren cemiye
lerde kulturel degisme homojen olarak ortaya cikmaz. Bati ile ilk munase
bet kuran kesimler, cikarlari geregi modern dunyanin kulturel degerleri
ni benimseyerek kendi kulturlerinin marjinal noktasina itilirken, cemiye
tin asil buyuk kutlesi kendi normal kulturu icinde yasamaya devam eder.
TR de noel kutlamasi yapanlar iste bu marjinal kesimlerdir.Daha yerinde
bir tabirle kulturumuzun bir SAFRA GIBI KUSARAK kendi disina ittigi azin
liklardir. Bu azinliklar, diger azinliklar gibi kendi cikarlarini cemiye
yetin buyuk kesimine ve onun inanc sistemine karsi,Batidan aktardiklari
Noel gibi kulturel ithal urunleri ile savunurlar. Noel'i kutlamak boyle
ce ulkemizde bir kimlik gostergesi, bir statu gostergesi ve bir modern
lik olcusu olarak isler. Ulkemizdeki noel kutlamalari cemiyetin kulturel
azinliklarinin toplum icindeki yerleri icabi, oteden beri karsi oldukla
ri yerli gelenege ve ISLAM'A maksatli bir tepkidir. Kendiliginden bir ha
reket olmadigi icinde sagliksiz, tutarsiz ve zararlidir.

Hasan Tayyip

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From: pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: "Pavlovic" and the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:53:05 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <9212132115@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <1gfrtuINN7g8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>
>>  What's this, what's this? You don't even read Argic's posts with care.
>>If you haven't noticed, his effort is to portray the Armenians in a bad light,
>
>Are you somehow related to "Arromdian" of ASALA/SDPA/ARF? If you feel 
>that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum 
>you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to 
>another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.
>I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, 
>lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan 
>to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is 

Ok, ok, I get the point.  Actually, I hadn't heard about the alleged Armenian
massacre of Turks until I started reading your posts.  However, I must concede
that like Hasan B-) Mutlu's articles, yours also evoke laughter in me.
They are quite amusing,  especially the nicknames - like "sipa of delco", 
"gav*0", "palik", "dandy", etc.  I think you tend to get a bit carried away
though.

And let me make it clear to you that I am in no way 'related to "Arromdian" of 
ASALA/SDPA/ARF', as you put it.

Regards,
Milan
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From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Re: Islamda Kadin
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:49:12 GMT

> From: teoman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith)
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
> Subject: Re: Islamda Kadin

> In article <1992Dec11.234604.10134@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tyanik@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Telat Yanik) writes:
> >BEHCET HALUK AYDINOGLU bey,
> >bey'in KUCUK YAZILMASI LAZIM CUNKU SIZ OYLESINIZ.
> >SIMDI SIZE BIR OLAY ANLATACAGIM VE SIZI MANTIKLI OLMAYA DAVET EDECEGIM.
> > 
> >BAKIN SU ANA KADAR KUFUR YOK.
>
> >KAYA GIBI BIRISININ BABASINA SORMUSLAR;
> >"SOYLE BAKALIM OGLUNMU TEMIZ YOKSA SEN MI?"
> >CEVAPLAMIS;
> >"OGLUM BENDEN DAHA TEMIZ"
> >NEDEN DEDIKLERINDE SU CEVABI VERMIS;
> >"CUNKU O BENDEN DAHA GENC"
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >SIMDI SANA TEKLIFIM ARKADAS SEN KILAVUZUNU DEGISTIR.CUNKU NE DEMISLER;
> >"KILAVUZU KARGA OLANIN BURNU B..'TAN CIKMAZMIS".
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >ADANALI CELAL

>this guy entered my kill file... i hate looking at these caps... 
>since i belive in the freedom of speech of everyone, i disagree with
>having this whole religion argument being carried out in some
>other group... if you don't want to listen to what they say about religion
>just add them to your kill file... 
>
>later
>Teoman Smith

Adanali Celal'in yeri kill file'idir. Ben de oyle yaptim. Artik kufur
gormek istemiyorum ve de gormuyorum.

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992 
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Wieneramus' handlers did massacre Muslims and Jews in the years...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:12:53 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <724630459@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>   Did Serbs really massacre Moslems in the years 1941-45?
>   Note to Vic Wick, Cro, and Matanic:  This is a serious

"Wieneramus the revisionist" in action. What makes you think that is 
what I think? The Armenian government traditionally employed extreme 
means for the sake of the Armenian cause, including terrorism and genocide. 
In World War I, they supported the uprising of the Armenian population in 
the Ottoman empire and exterminated 2.5 million defenseless Muslims between
1914-1920.

As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that 
the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) 

        'leans toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]

At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish
population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.

In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' 

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall 
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.


        Remembering 

       Orhan Gunduz

on his 9th Anniversary of Brutal Assassination by Armenians.

TACS (The Turkish American Cultural Society of New England) 
will hold a memorial service for the Honorary Counsel General 
of Turkey to Boston, late Orhan Gunduz.

Cemetery. Time: 10:30 AM

TACS invites everybody, especially those families who have 
lost their closest ones during the Turkish Genocide, to come 
for the memorial service.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
Subject: Because, no (*Turk*) left alive in (* x-Soviet Armenia *)
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


(*
Ted Schuerzinger writes:
>Remember -- Argic is a computer program.  It can keep up this crap
>endlessly if we let it.  If we just ignore its racist claims, it should
>shut up -- it will have nothing to respond to.
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger
*)

There has to be a way out.... I think my good friend (* Tri* *) tried
with /* */ style comments and failed. But (* MUTLU *) is written in the
(* KEMAL *) language, where the crescent-and-star characters are used
for comments! This has got to work!

(* Michael *)
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Turk = musluman
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:29:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.140820.24373@kth.se> d91-muk@nada.kth.se (Murat Kayihan) writes:
> Turklugu muslumanliktan ayirmak zor ama soc.religion.islam 
>oldugu muddetce soc.culture.turkish'e yazmaniz dogru degil.
>Islam'a camur atmalar ve bu camuru temizleme cabalarini
>kastediyorum.
> Islam'in turk kulturunde yeri buyuk ondan hic suphem yok,
>fakat bu tip yazilarin soc.culture.turkish'e yollanmasi
>anlamsiz.
>
> Turkiye'de bir suru problemler var. Birbirmizi uzmeye calismak-
>tansa gelin hep beraber bu sorunlara cozum arayalim! Bu net'te
>yazi yazanlarin hepsi yuksek tahsil gormus veya gormekte (hemen
>hemen hepsi).Biz kendi ulkemizin sorunlarina cozum getiremezsek
>kim getirecek?
>

Islam'a camur atilmamasi gerektigine katiliyorum. Turk kulturunde yeri de
buyuktur. Ancak bence Subject Line'a biraz daha dikkat etmelisiniz. 
Bu esitlige herkes inanmayabilir.

Ayrica, yuksek tahsil gormus veya gormekte olan o insanlarin ettigi 
kufurleri, hakaretleri hepimiz okuyoruz. Bosuna dememisler, egitim
yalniz cehaleti alir diye...


-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: Re: Meclis'te cigkofte-lahmacun partisi
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 02:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.234936.21707@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.204521.31614@eecs.nwu.edu> toroslu@eecs.nwu.edu (Ismail H. Toroslu) writes:
>>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>"biyik"lilarin geriligin bir gostergesi oldugunu mu dusunuyorsunuz?
>>
>>Hakki
>
>Ya siz burnun altinda  bir takim killar uzatmanin cok cekici mi oldugunu
>dusunuyorsunuz?  
>
>Esen kalin,
>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
>
Ben ki$isel olarak oyle oldugunu du$unmuyorum ama, ne zaman kesmeye 
kalksam hanIm kar$I cikiyor!

AT
>
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Hilmi Eren'in sorusuna cevap
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:51:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: me.1992Dec14185200.AA17119
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering


Esselamun aleykum sevgili kardeslerim, Allah'in selami uzerinize
olsun, Allah cumlemize boyle yazilar ihsan etsin,

*>       From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)
*>       Subject: Carsamba'ya az  kaldi(futbol)-KAYA'ya bir soru!
*>       Message-ID: <1992Dec14.131139.3303@kth.se>

*>       Kardesim Kaya, bu marifetin niye yahu? Neden 
*>       anti-islam propagandasi, sen "University of Dakota,
*>       School of Engineering"'de  okuyup maasli muhendis mi olacaksin,
*>       yoksa parali "anti-propagandasist" mi?

Sevgili Hilmi kardesim, ben ANTI-ISLAM PROPAGANDIST'i degilim,
beni ISLAMCI-MUHALIFI olarak siniflandirabilirsin. Amacim bize soylenen
yalanlari ortaya dokup, dogrusunu soylemek. Daha onceki yazilarimda
dinlerin, sosyal yasama onemli katkilarinin oldugunu belirtmistim,
benim problemim dinlerle degil, olaylari carpitarak dini kendilerine 
cikar kapisi yapanlarla. Bunlarin basinda da Muhammed geliyor.

*>       Icindeki boslugu atman icin cevreni degistir kardesim, hic bir seyin
*>       asirisi iyi degildir...(ebabul=kiz asirisi haric :)   )

Sagol, ben cevremden memnunum. Ben asiri da gitmiyorum kardesim.
Sadece olaylarin, bize anlatildigi gibi olmadigini gosteriyorum. 
Unutmadan, su (ebabul=kiz asirisi haric) lafin guzeldi. 

*>       Stockholm University,
*>       Sweden
*>       InterNet:Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se

vesselam
--------
Kaya
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: CULTURAL GENOCIDE IN YUGOSLAVIA / THE HIGHER, 2 Oct '92 (fwd)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:36:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Forwarded message:
>From cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk!TEX5HAD Wed Dec 16 00:40:50 1992
Via: uk.ac.leeds.ucs.cms1; Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:32:53 +0000
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:30:48 GMT
From: Haluk DEMIRBAG <TEX5HAD@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: CULTURAL GENOCIDE IN YUGOSLAVIA / THE HIGHER, 2 Oct '92 (fwd)
To: TRH@JACK.SNS.COM
Message-Id: <15 Dec 92 23:32:47 GMT #6556@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1>

CULTURAL GENOCIDE IN YUGOSLAVIA

Madam, - During this summer one of the great libraries of Europe,
that of the University of  Sarajevo, was deliberately shelled and
destroyed.  It was  a crime  against learning  comparable to  the
destruction of the library of Louvain  in the First World War but
so much  worse as being part  of a systematic policy  of cultural
genocide. I have as yet failed to hear any outraged cry of horror
and protest from the academic world.

Would it  be too  much to  ask that  every university  in Britain
begin  the first  meeting of  Senate  this academic  year with  a
minute's silence, witnessing to the  lost library of Sarajevo and
to what in cultural destruction 1992 has meant for Europe? Only a
Vandal could say "No".

Adrian Hastings,
Professor of Theology,
Department of Theology and
Religious Studies,
University of Leeds,
Leeds LS2 9JT, UK

THE HIGHER, 2 October 1992 (London)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: guncer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Otomatik Portakal )
Subject: Re: Maestroya
Keywords: none
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:38:10 GMT


Happy Hanukkah to the thor.cf.ac.uk gang!


Selim Guncer
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Maestroya
Keywords: none
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:31:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Dec16.042410.7497@u.washington.edu> teoman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith) writes:
|> Musluman olan herkese selam ve dahi guzel kelam ile
|
|> Ercan
|
|Merry Christmas to you, too...  
|
|later
|Teoman Smith 
|

The logic is wrong!
You should say 'Merry Christmas to all Christians'

Musluman karde$lerime selam ile
Beytullah
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Sampson and Greek Cypriot arms acquisitions
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 18:51:19 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <BzHBqq.7un@news.cso.uiuc.edu> varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine) writes:

>Sampson was tried and convicted to 20 years in prison for his part on the
>July 15 coup.  If he committed any other crimes let him be tried for those
>too, along with everybody else, Greek or Turk.  What I want to know is
>how many people were tried and convicted by the so called TRNC for crimes
>against Greek Cypriots.  I don't understand the fuss about Sampson's release.

You don't get it - do you? Article IV of the 1960 Tripartite Treaty of 
Guarantee among Great Britain, Turkiye, and Greece gave Turkiye the 
right to intervene if the 1960 agreement was violated. When Greece 
invaded the island on July 15, 1974, and then tried to annex it, the 
Turkish government acted to establish an area in northern Cyprus where 
Turkish Cypriots could live free of fear.

The August 30, 1974, "Die Zeit" German newspaper report of "the 
Massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta," proves how 
justified the Turks were in undertaking their intervention.

Turkish forces are stationed in Cyprus in accordance with Turkiye's 
obligations under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee and with the full 
consent of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Turkiye does not 
maintain "occupation forces" on the island, as Hate-the-Turk club 
members allege, but provides effective guarantees for the security 
of the Turkish Cypriots, faced with a hostile and heavily armed 
neighbor in the south.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: An innocent little test...
Summary: All tests are innocent...
 
Keywords: Aboooo..
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:16:15 GMT

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