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From: mng@pca54.mng.com (Mark Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Good book on PC hardware programming ??????
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:58:53 GMT
Organization: Private site

In article <1992Dec22.205343.8932@mark-one.inet-uk.co.uk> mark@mark-one.inet-uk.co.uk (Mark Powell) writes:
>Anyone out there know of a good book, or possibly some ftpable docs,
>on low level PC hardware programming. eg the ins & outs of the FDC
>and how to format tracks, etc. etc.

There is documentation on the FDC and sample code in this book:
Sanchez, Julio, and Maria Canton. IBM Microcomputers: A Programmer's
  Handbook. McGraw-Hill, 1990. ISBN 0-07-054594-4.

You can also ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu:/mirrors/msdos/sysutl/-
bios-asm.arc. This is source code for a BIOS, looks much the
same as the code in the above book.

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Mark Ng
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From: rlee@bgsu.edu (Bob Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Surge surpressors
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:40:15 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.

I read this ad in PC week about a device that's the end-all-be-all of
power surge protectors for computers. I can't remember the name but the
surge protector has a readout of the current voltage level on the AC line,
outlets and on/off switches for computer, monitor, printer, and two
auxileries. It also has a telephone surge protector for modems.

Now, this ad insists that this device assures that a constant AC voltage
is always delivered to your computer, free of even the smallest spikes.
They also stated that it is these small spikes that constantly chip away
at your computer and decreases its lifespan. That's what leads to hard
drive crashes, memory malfunctions, and floppy failures. 

If there is definite truth behind what they state and their device does
what it says, then it seems to me that their device would be the best
thing to get for your computer.

Anyone experienced with surge protectors that can comment on this?

-BOB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: sct@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen Tenbrink)
Subject: Re: The maxtor 213 meg drive is NOT 213 megs!
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:06:01 GMT


Kevin Lew writes:

> 213,000,000 bytes *IS* 213 Megabytes.  MS-DOS lists the free space
> you have on your hard drive in bytes.  Since MEGA = 10^6,
> 213 Megabytes is 213,000,000 bytes.  In addition, 1 kilobyte is not
> 1,024 bytes.  It is 1,000 bytes.  I just studied this stuff in
> a communication networks course and when I was studying for the CS GRE..


I don't know what they are teaching CS people these days, but one KB of RAM
has always been 1024 bytes which corresponds to the number of address
lines.  Also, by the same reasoning, 1 MByte, is 1024 x 1024.  Now, the
question is:  do disk manufacturers follow this convention or do they use
the Mega = 10^6 value?  If they do, it is another marketing ploy to use
the largest number they can get away with (similar to unformatted disk
capacity).

-Steve 

ps Maybe the different convention determines whether you are hardware or
  software oriented.

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From: dcg5662@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Grabowski (KxiK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Tape backups: SCSI and Floppy-Type
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:56:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: dcg5662@hertz.njit.edu


  Question for those of you who have ever had experience with tape
backups: How compatible are they with each other? Here's my specific
problem. I'm running SCSI, whereas my father is running IDE. I want to
be able to backup my data and bring the tape to his computer and restore
any file (or perhaps ALL files). Obviously, if I get a SCSI tape backup,
he won't be able to get the same model. Are all "QIC-150" models
compatible, assuming that I use the same backup program (or does the
software not matter)? Also, for the tape drives that claim to run off
the floppy controller: do they actually have to REPLACE one of my floppy
drives? (i.e., I lose drive B: entirely, forever?)

  Any help is greatly appreciated!

-Dave
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From: fbruno@ysw526 (F. Bruno)
Subject: Local Bus?
Organization: Lockheed Sanders
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:41:31 GMT

Hi!
I have just side-graded to a 486-50 FOREX motherboard w/ local bus. Side
grading meaning that I used to have a buggy Opti 486-50 MB. Now I am stuck.
I already have a Diamond Stealth VRAM and I don't know whether I should shell
out the extra $150. for the local bus video or not. Please help. Will the
local bus give me better performance than the Stealth? I am happy w/ the
stealth, but if the LB card would be significantly faster, then it may be
worth it.
			Thanks,
Please E-mail me: fbruno@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: fsaleem@admiral.uucp (Farzan Saleem)
Subject: "Thanks" replies...
Reply-To: fsaleem@admiral.uucp (Farzan Saleem)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 20:58:49 GMT

Please send all "thanks for the info" replies off the net and
send them directly to the person who responded to your query.
This will help keep net mail levels down...
 


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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.114523.5076@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>Cyrix's 486 goes beyond the 386 but doesn't equal the 486, so it is in fact
>a 386.5. The number 486 is correct in the sense that it is more than a 386,
>but it is misleading when compared to the i486.

Hmmmm... wouln't that be a (3.5)86 instead? Or a 436 (386 + 50)?   9-) 9-) 
9-)



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chung820@cs.cuhk.hk (CHUNG Wing Chung)
Subject: ATI Ultra Pro info needed
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:28:49 GMT

Can anybody mail me the specification of this card?
Thank you very much.

chung820@cs.cuhk.hk
From: wbedard@wezea.usc.edu (William Bedard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ISA vs EISA vs Local Bus, 486/50, which chipset to buy, from who?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:34:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wezea.usc.edu


Hello All,

In a previous post, an individual was/is in the market for a new system and cited
several chipset manufacturers he wanted to know about...

   - Chipsets : Vega, Opti, American Digicom, Micronics, AMI, Compat, Free ...
     - Any specific chipsets to look for / avoid?
     - Any 'quirks' to look for / avoid ?
       ( right now I'm running OS/2 and DOS, and plan to play w/ Linux later )

My question is, can anyone out there recommend a journal of sorts that print INFO
on these chipsets as opposed to just referencing them (Computer Shopper).  I
would imagine that most people out there have little or no idea what a given
chipset does for them anyhow (the info I've seen doesn't do anything for me, at
least) and I'll bet some people would like to have said clue about said product.

						Sincerely,

						William A. Bedard III
						email:wbedard@ucs.usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Subject: Re: NE2100 ethernet card info needed
Reply-To: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:02:44 GMT
Keywords: ethernet card, NE2100, info needed

In article <1992Dec27.025501.3269@sol.cs.wmich.edu>, ishwar@sol.cs.wmich.edu
 (Ishwar Rattan) wrote:
>where can i find more info on NE2100?

The manufacturer of the NE2100 (and NE1000/NE2000) is Eagle Technology.
They can be reached at 800-733-2453.

The NE2100 is at around the price of a NE2000.

...Sam
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From: rob@sound.demon.co.uk (Robert J Barth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Fujitsu hard disk M2227D2
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: rob@sound.demon.co.uk
Organization: Sound & Vision BBS (UK) 0932 252323
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $

>Can anyone tell me anything about this Fujitsu Hard Disk ?
>i.e. size, type, likelihood to break down ?
>
>Fujitsu M2227D2 (Part B03B-4815-B104A#B) 1989-1

cheers
-rob-
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:54:02 EST
From: Mythos / Xcalbrin <JKK103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 486dx-33 VESA LB place to buy?

Hello, after scanning the computer shopper, I saw a great deal from Fast
Micro.  On paper at least it looks great.  What I would like to know is has
anyone had experience with Fast Micro (good or bad)?

The following is some of the specs that were in the article:
i486 processor with 8k internal cache
high speed 128k external static ram write-back cache
upgradable to overdrive processors
8 megs of high speed ram
212mb 12ms Conner IDE hard disk
1.2mb 5.25" and 1.44mb 3.5" toshiba floppy drives
VESA local bus SVGA Windows Accelerator Card with 16.7 Million colors max.
VESA Std. NI 14" SVGA color monitor with 800x600 @ 72hz & 1024x768@70hz with
     edge to edge video
Dual intelligent cooling fans
clock calendar, parallel port, game port and 2 serial ports
8 expansion slots, 2 occupied
fourth generation desktop case (7 drive bay desktop)
200 watt UL listed power supply
MS-DOS
Microsoft windows 3.1 and microsoft serial mouse
Choice of 2 (of the following) major software applicatsions:
     Wordperfect for windows
     Quattro Pro for windows
     Paradox 4.0
     PC tools 8.0
     Graphics works for windows

price: $1999
(this was just what was in the add)

What I want to know is, would this be a good choice for the above hardware?
Is FastMicro a legit company? How is their tech support, etc...

Please respond as soon as possible via email, I would like to make my  choice
for a computer this week or next at the latest so it is set up in time for
the spring semester.

                   Thanks a LOT in advance :)

                                         Joe
DISCLAIMER:
    I have no connection with FastMicro at all, I just want to know some more
about them before becoming a customer.


========================================================================
'Whoever said that life was fair must have been giving their opinion
 about either the cereal or the magazine.' - Joe Krug

Joe Krug (JKK103@PSUVM.PSU.EDU)
State College, PA 16801
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: fjd@eskimo.com (Frederick Dickey)
Subject: Re: Help with Maxtor Hard Drive!! 
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:41:47 GMT

chan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Vi Chi Chan) writes:

>Hello there,

>	Last week I was playing around with my Maxtor 7120A hard
>	drive's jumper setting, trying to add another IDE drive (
>	a Seagate ST-157A ) to my pc. But the pc just crashed all a
>	sudden. When I restored the previous setting, The hard drive
>	setting in the CMOS BIO was gone! I tried to look up some refer
>	ence to get the setting (since I don't have the manual) But I
>	can't get anything for Lzone and WPcom. And worse, The hard 
>	drive can't boot! 

I think I have the same drive. Is it supposed to be a 130 MB drive? The 
following are the settings for an AMI BIOS:

cyln	936
heads	16
wpcomm	0
lzone	936
sec	17

This is what the guy at the compter store said the settings were.

Fred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Is there any merit to the 486SX?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:13:54 GMT

In <1992Dec31.193905.3806@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>If you run UNIX on it, of course, you are then using X for your GUI,
>which *does* use the coprocessor.

 I'm not so certain about that.  This has been debated fairly heavily.
But it's my understanding that the X server does not use much in the way of
math functions anyway, mostly just integer math.

 However, a lot of Unix software does use the coprocessor, including many X
programs.  So it is useful.
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From: ccasted@prism.gatech.EDU (Edward Deering Boykin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Ulrastore 34f Local bus controller
Date: 25 Dec 92 04:21:05 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I just found out that Gateway 2000 is offering the Ultrastore 34F Local Bus
SCSI controller for $215.00. Is this a good price? What are the specs on the
card? Is it scsi-1 and scsi-2? I tried gateway but as usual their lines
were real busy and I thought I'de ty here. Anyone with any info please e-mail
me. Thanks ahead of time.

Merry X-Mass to those who celebrate it and Happy New Year to all.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: RFD: how about comp.sys.ibm.pc.advocacy?
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:52:19 GMT

sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
>In <1992Dec22.022437.10504@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy) writes:
>
>>In article <1h5k1sINNj9k@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:
>>>I've been away from the net for a couple of months now, got tangled up
>>>with school and finals, and when I came back, I see page after page of
>>>flame wars in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.  And I got to thinking: isn't it
>>>about time to create a comp.sys.ibm.pc.advocacy?  So that all the flames
>>>and debates can go there and leave c.s.i.p.hardware for people who
>>>wish to discuss hardware topics.  People may think an advocacy group
>>>will itself generate more flames, while this may be true, at least it'll
>>>keep the religious flame wars from spilling over to the other groups.
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Nan
>
> Bah! These advocacy groups do absolutely no good.  You still get just as
>many flame wars in the regular .misc groups as ever, the only difference
>is that they're increased in size by the stupid:
>
> 'Take this to advocacy you bonehead'
>
> messages.  For an example of the futility of this take a look at the
>comp.sys.amiga heirarchy.
>
> If I see another advocacy group up for vote, I'm voting against it.
>
>
>
>-- 
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>                                   Iowa State University


What I would rather see, is the creation of a newsgroup where people can post
their suggestions, bug reports, comments on OS/2 2.x. This way, people from
IBM can read the conference and get the latest without going through tons of
mail. So something like comp.os.os2.reports would be good. I think there
should be an comp.os.os2.announcements newsgroup as well. All announcements
can be posted there as well.

Just my suggestions...

Sincerely,
Mark K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: Can SCSI Transfer Rate be Increased??????
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:54:17 GMT

In <Dec.22.17.59.16.1992.14560@pilot.njin.net> hardgrov@pilot.njin.net (Roy Hardgrove) writes:
>Hello,

Hi.

>Currenly I am using a Future Domain 1660 with a Rodime 3259T and am
>obtaining XFER rates of about 860KB/s.  This is not why I chose SCSI.
>I would like to increase the XFER value and would like a suggestion as
>to how this may be accomplished.  I have a very knowlegeable friend who
>informed me that I would receive little or no performance boost by
>purchasing another mgfs. controller.

That is probably true.  ISA SCSI boards don't vary much as far as
throughput is concerned.  You could get faster response times by
using a caching controller, but your transfer rate probably would
stay about the same.  It's also likely that your drive already has
its own cache.

>                                      His stipulation is that the only
>way that  I  would receive any performance boost is by purchasing
>another SCSI drive that supports a higher RPM rate.  Is this true?
>Am I forever stuck with this IDE like transfer rate, unless I spend
>the bucks for another drive?  Any insights you can provide will be
>appreciated.

While it is true that drives with faster RPM in general give better
performance, I doubt that one would help your situation.  The best
thing you can do to improve performance is to get either an EISA
or VESA Local Bus system with a corresponding controller.  The ISA
bus is just not up to consistently high transfer rates.  It's a
circa 1984 technology and it is almost 1993.  It is unfortunate that
while performance for most things have increased dramatically, PC
users are still for the most part stuck with a nearly decade old
bus design.

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: ATI is making me mad
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:12:53 GMT

In article <92356.215207COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> Bill Laird <COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <BzMo3t.5Fz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>(Iskandar Taib) says:
>
>[:stuff deleted:]
>
>
>>Anyone who can call anything associated with Trident "HOT" deserves to
>>use their cards 9-) No thanks. I'll wait till NT, meanwhile Windows 3.1
>>works fine.
>>
>That is a matter of opinion. Trident offers a viable solution to os/2 users
>who want high resolution. They are one of the few manufacturers who have not
>been blinded by the annoying reflection of windoze. While you wait for NT
>(aka OS/2 3.0), you may want to upgrade your hardware unless you already have a
>486 50 with 16 mb of ram. Initial reviews are that it is a memory hog
>even by os/2's standards!

Heh... thats ironic indeed. I'd like to see Tridents perform faster
under OS/2. Seamless Windows already incurs a speed penalty. How does
making slow video constitute "not being blinded by the annoying reflec-
tion of windoze?" Sounds funny to me, since they do have a variety of
Windows drivers out. The hardware is just poor.

No thanks. I'll wait till NT comes out, then upgrade. Meanwhile I'll
happily hobble along with my 386-40 and Tseng ET4000 card (same price
as a Trident, about 4X faster) with Windows 3.1 and get some work done..






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From: rohling@westwood.mech.ubc.ca (Gerry Rohling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Information required on FUYU motherboards
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:02:03 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: westwood.mech.ubc.ca
Keywords: Motherboards FUYU information


I am still looking for information on this motherboard I got here. My
last post got very few responses so I thought I might give it one more
shot.

In a box here is a new motherboard. Opening the anti-static bag and looking
at the board I have gleaned the following information:

	  Board: FUYU 20U0 manufactured 92/10
	    CPU: Intel 486sx-25
	Chipset: SIS
	   BIOS: AMI 486 1990 bios

The board has a 33Mhz. crystal on it, making me belive it is quite possibly
running the 486 at 33 instead of 25 Mhz. I need to know what the jumpers do
on this things for setting up the SIMMs and whether I can replace the 486sx
with a 486dx at a later date.

Anyone out there that can help???

Thanks.

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Mechanical Engineering
University of British Columbia
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From: ergo@netcom.com (Isaac Rabinovitch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Will Windows crawl on my system?
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:33:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UESPA

In <1gqtpqINNiel@hpscit.sc.hp.com> matthias@nsr.hp.com (Matthias Kamm) writes:


>Believe it or not, I was perfectly happy running Excel and WinWord
>with Windows 3.0 on my old 286 machine with lots of RAM.  The main
>time killer was switching back and forth between DOS and windows
>(286 "brain dead" processor feature).  You'll have no such problems.

There's a certain mythology connected with the 286 and Windows.  Most
people are under the impression that the 286 "isn't powerful enough"
for Windows 3.0 or 3.1.  The truth is that, as far as Windows is
concerned, the only difference betweeen the two is Windows enhanced
mode, which won't work on a 286.  So no DOS box, modem communication isn't
as smooth, etc.

What *is* crucial is processor speed.  Intel apparently never bothered
to make 386s slower than 16 mhz, and by the time the 286/16 appeared,
386/16 systems were begining to compete for shelf space, so few people
have 286 systems faster than 12mhz.  But I keep hearing of people who
are happy with Windows running on ATs, and after all 75% of a 386/16's
performance is still pretty good.  

The memory weirdness of DOS is probably a factor here.  Since few DOS
programs make use of extended memory, and memory was expensive, most
ATs were used with about 1 meg.  Now memory is cheep, and Windows
needs tons and tons of it.  So a 286 that's gonna become a Windows
beast probably needs a *major* memory upgrade -- which is still
cheaper than somehow upgrading or replacing the motherboard.
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