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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:08:20 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Oct7.175954.8650@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>  These stereotypes really do affect people.  In my case I had
On that we agree.  They affect people, nearly always to bad
effect, and more or less continuously, without respite.
>  two stereotypes being applied to me and they sort of canceled
>  out.  I was good in math and science, as well as English, and social
>  studies, etc.  Since I am female, a lot of people would just as
>  well apply the "feminine" stereotype of being bad in Math
>  and good in English.  However I am also Asian American and
>  the stereotype for Asian Americans is to be bad in English
>  and good in math. 
Yeah, not surprising. Sad, but hardly surprising. What IS
surprising is that they didn't do what I'm sure they would
have done around where I grew up, which was to apply both
of the negative stereotypes, without any attention to the
positive stereotypes, and you would have been expected to
be both un-understandable verbally and inept at mathmatics.
I'm glad it didn't happen.  I must note that in a lot of
places, say 1960's Ohio, the negative stereotypes would be all
that was applied.  These stereotypes applied to everyone, of course,
not just females.  JJ, for example, was required to be inarticulate,
because labor *boy* were inarticulate.  To be otherwise was to be a
'smartass troublemaker'.  (Lots of other stereotypes also applied,
to everyone that I can think of, including me. I'm actually naming
one of the least damaging ones in this particular case.)

Oh, *&^(*&, can't we ever get rid of these stereotypes?

I'm not likely to buy a Barbie for my 2yr old female offspring
anyhow (I'd rather get a hammer and pliers, personally, and
she likes to bang on things. GO KID), but now I'm real *(&^*&
sure I won't.  If she wants a Barbie, she can get a job :-)
doing carpentry :-).
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:24:25 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <3746@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>In article <3363@isgtec.isgtec.com> mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
>>
>>My top choice for livability, cost, etc., especially considering factors 
>>like gardening, traffic, crime, climate, schools, and other family needs,
>>is still the Portland area, specifically Tualatin/Sherwood, without question.
>>The entire Pacific NorthWest ("upper left coast" :-) ) is quite good...

>Actually, Oregon (and the whole Pacific Northwest, for that matter) is
>a TERRIBLE place to live!!  It's cold, wet, damp here--terrible climate,
>really unfriendly people, awful schools.  Oh yeah, and crime--LOTS of
>crime.  And I almost forgot--no jobs here either.  Not to mention a
>bunch of active volcanoes.  No point in coming here at all, actually!  
>California is much, much nicer.

You forgot the mould, homophobes, floods, pollen (terrible allergy 
problems), traffic, the fact that the state is owned by the NRA and 
that you can legally carry a visible firearm anywhere (you do have to
check them behind the bar in taverns), state wide leash law (if your
dog chases your neighbors animals, he can legally shoot it and the county
bills you for the damage your animals caused him; if he doesn't shoot it,
the county will, and bill you for the damage and the cost of the ammunition), 
deer hunters, loggers, trappers, rednecks, and other types. Civilizing the
neighbors is down right dangerous in Oregon. If you suggest that your
neighbor stop terrorizing the wildlife and eat vegetables, you're apt to
find no one in the neighborhood will ever talk to you or your kids. Let
your dog run? Well, it'll just up and vanish some day. Not a place for
folks who are used to not being ultra-responsible all the time. Let your
kid walk into the neighbors yard through a latched gate? Well, it's your
problem when the pit bull eats him. 

Lots of crime - highest violent crime rates in the country. White people
walking through east Oakland at night are safer than white people in your
average white neighborhood in the PNW. Folks there are used to travelling
long distances; so thieves and muggers out of Foster Road and Albina happily
come over to Tualatin and Lake Oswego to loot and rape. California thieves
seem to stay in their own neighborhoods. I've found that the East Palo Alto
criminals don't come into Palo Alto; this is a real change from Portland
where a guy from Foster Road forced himself into a friend of mine's home
in Beaverton.

In fact, since I moved to California from Portland, I go walking alone at
night, all over SF, Oakland and SJ. Much, much safer. 
-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams/Cute Things (2 yrs)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.000520.7398@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>
>Well, Daniel (age 3) has nightmares about his sister playing with
>his toys -- he's been known to wake up screaming, ``Abecca -- give
>me back my toys!''
>
>It's happened more than once, too....

When Mitchell was a tiny tot (about 1) he and the dog frequently fought over
balls.  We'd hear him screaming in his sleep "No!  My ball!  My ball!".  





-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Early pregnancy problems: ACIDITY ???
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:06:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1992Oct8.023930.15976@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Jimmy writes;
>
>Hi,
>My wife is about 2 months pregnant. She has nausea all day; which
>I guess is normal. However, lately she has been suffering from
>all-day stomach acidity. Is this a usual complaint as well ? If yes,
>any suggested solutions ?
>Thanks, 
>Jimmy
>
>Please email to: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
>--
>jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
>
 
I will e-mail also, but thought some others might benefit from this...
During my pregnancy with Melissa, I was *always* nauseous.  Awful.
My ob/gyn recommended Tums (or Rolaids).  He said there was no risk
as it was only antacid, and even contained some beneficial calcium.
I went through 2-1/2 large bottles of Tums by the time she was born
(& she was even early!)  Fruit-flavored Tums were the best, and they
really did help to relieve the nausea.  As always, check with your
doctor.
Good luck!
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/93) -- and only suffering
  from allergies so far!!!! (no nausea)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Oct7.120343.12568@ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct7.223355.5237@jetsun.weitek.COM>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:05:42 GMT

On Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:33:55 GMT, nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) said:

Nadja> In article <1992Oct7.120343.12568@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

>	Oh.  We've got a 5th food group!

Nadja> Yes, we always have had. (Originally we had seven, and now we have 4.)
Nadja> There is a fifth one (fats and sugars) on the charts and wheels.

No, originally we had _twelve_ food groups.  My 52-year-old husband
learned twelve in the 40's, as did my mother in the 30's.  By the time
I got to school in the 50's we were down to only seven.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:19:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Oct7.223842.5451@jetsun.weitek.COM>
	<1992Oct8.151801.28427@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Oct8.151801.28427@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
 > Good for you.
 > As has been pointed out to me on email the first time 22month old
 > Dylan comes home with a bloody nose he'll be in karate the next day. 
 > 
 >  Now Andy lets hear your diatribe about how Nadja is a macho women hater
 > who has arrested the development of man/womankind.
 >                                     ^-- Thats for you Andy, your so sensitive.

When has anybody in this entire thread ever claimed that violence is
not justified as self-defense against violence?  When has anybody ever
claimed that one should not prepare one's children to defend
themselves?

You know what?  This just isn't worth it.  I'm going to drop out of
this discussion, if you don't mind.  Feel free to interpret this as a
victory if you want.  Maybe you can hook up with the father of the
bully---the man Diane had her confrontation with way back when this
discussion started---and the two of you will be able to gloat over
your "victories."  It astounds me that we've just reenacted the
episode that started this whole thing!
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: children's shelter needs donated clothes & shoes
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:26:52 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

I just read in my church's newsletter that the Austin/Travis
County Shelter for Infants and Children is in need of clothes
and shoes for ages newborn to 12.  I hope others besides me
might want to check through the wardrobe for some outgrown
things to donate ... call 258-4579.

They're at 1503 West Lynn, near Enfield; they will arrange to
pick up or items can be dropped off.  They're open 24 hours but
would prefer that you call first (so they know why a car
stopped, they said).

I'd never heard of this organization, has anyone else?
-- 
Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)  When in danger or in doubt,
(512) 471-5573, 450-1694                     run in circles,
Center for Space Research                    scream and shout.
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: camping with babies
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:39:37 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu



I got all sorts of wonderful information in response to my posting a 
couple of weeks ago, asking (1) whether I really needed a Tough Traveler 
backpack instead of a Gerry, (2) what to use for a sleeping bag, and 
(3) what to do about dirt.

Very brief summary: (1) Almost everyone says that the Tough Traveler is 
so much better than a Gerry that you shouldn't even bother with the 
latter, although a couple of families had success with adding a hipbelt 
from a real backpack to the Gerry pack. (2) For a sleeping bag, you 
can substitute a couple of blanket sleepers, use an adult's parka, or 
buy polarfleece from the Rain Shed and make stuff. (3) As far as dirt 
goes, remember what Connie Leinan says: "A dirty child is a happy child. 
(Repeat this over and over...)"

I've mailed the long version to Karla Perdue <kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com>, 
who keeps the "Outdoor Activity with Young Kids" FAQ, and she will 
eventually incorporate the two into one. Meanwhile, though, anyone who 
wants it can get it from me if you like. 

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, my husband says the TT Kid Carrier just arrived 
from REI this morning, and I got my fabric swatches plus a beautiful 
3' x 5' piece of Polartech fleece in the mail yesterday from the Rain 
Shed. There are scads of great patterns in the Rain Shed's catalog 
(503-753-8900), for baby stuff, sports clothing, sleeping bags, 
luggage, etc.--and all of the specialized materials needed to make 
any of this. I just wish I had more time to do anything. The stretch
Polartech 200s looks like the ideal material for winter baby clothes.
(I'm not going to use a pattern, because I think it's more fun without
it.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brein@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry Rein)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Wine sauce
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:34:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.140941.16748@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>,
mnj@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (madhuri.jarwala) wrote:
> 
> Hello! I am a new reader of this newsgroup and I have found it very useful.
> I don't know if this has been discussed before. I know that you don't drink 
> alcohol when pregnant. But is food cooked in wine a problem? 
> I am pregnat and may be going to France in my second trimester. I certainly 
> would not drink; but I would love to eat good French food. And from what I 
> hear, wine is commonly used in French sauces. 
> Will that be harmful to the baby? But doesn't most of the alcohol evaporate
> in the cooking process? I don't want to be foolish, but on the other hand,
> I don't want to be paronoid either.  
> I want to enjoy this trip because I have never been to Europe before and 
> probably it may be a few years before we go again. And now that my appetite is
> returning, I do want to enjoy French cuisine. But obviously, the well being
> of baby is more important than my gluttany ;-)
> So can you experienced parents give me some advice? Post if you think it is
> of general interest. If I get emails, I will summarize.
> Thank you.
> 
> --Madhuri Jarwala
> mnj@att.cbnewsk.com

When you say "I know that you don't drink alcohol when pregnant" it seems
as though you think it is unsafe to drink ANY alcohol at all while
pregnant.

Last June 30th my wife gave birth to a healthy girl.  Our baby was, and is,
perfectly normal.  During her pregnancy my wife drank wine and beer, about
two or three drinks per week, and usually with food.  We discussed this
with her ob/gyn who did not object.
 
I believe the concerns of light drinking during pregnancy are blown far out
of proportion. The absolutist no-alcohol-at-all-during-pregnancy position
makes women feel bad about themselves and their bodies for no good reason,
while depriving them of a little pleasure at a time when they could use
some.


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*                               Barry Rein                                 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Playground Bullies (was Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:13:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.162053.3664@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> 
>>
>> > At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
>>
>>Wow, what a macho phrase!  I take it you don't believe it's important
>>for women to be able to defend themselves against attack.  Else why
>>the gender-specific remark?
> 
> I don't see a lot of bullys man handling girls out on the playground.

  That's because you're not a girl.  Girl bullies exist also.  And
  as for "man-handling", try "sexual harrassment".  As a girl, you
  have to deal with the girl bullies as well as the boy sexual harrassers.
  With girl bullies, you size up the situation, see if you can win
  and give them a quick elbow to the side, or a kick on the knee.
  Don't fight girly, as they usually expect hair-pulling or scratching
  (both ineffective).  Then you tell them, "Don't you try that again."
  Racist bullies are handled the same way, if they are not in a group.
  If they're in a group, the best strategy is to retreat and taunt
  them back, yelling "patty melt" while retreating towards the Black
  and Hispanic kids.  

  Sexual harrassers, i.e. boys in elementary school, junior high,
  or high school who feel that they are entitled to pinch your
  breasts, buttocks, legs, get an elbow punch in the ribs
  and "Stop that, sleazebag." or a quick sidestep as you see
  them approaching with that glint in their eyes.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:33:20 GMT

In article <199210071941.AA05440@tuna.wang.com> JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage") writes:
>RE: Far apart in age
>I am expecting my second child (at the age of 34)  in February. My daughter is
>13 years old. What are experiences with such a siblings relationsship? Anyone i
>n the same situation?
>Jutta

My brothers are ten and twelve years older than I am, and my parents had
me when they were 37.  I can tell you from my experience that I have
*always* liked having much older brothers.  I really enjoyed being the
baby of the family. We are all close and always have been.  It was very similar
to being an only child, only I got to have brothers, too.  I know that seems
contradictory, but when I was five, my brothers were 15 and 17.  They were
getting ready to start their adult lives and weren't really home that often
(well it seemed like that to a 5YO! :-).  I can only remember one or
two family vacations where we all went.  After that, I went with my parents
on vacation while my brothers stayed at home and worked or went to college.
Even now I still enjoy being this much younger.

I've always been considered mature for whatever age I was. (One of my
brothers taught me to spell psychology and independence when I was five.
I didn't know what it meant, but I sure knew how to spell it!) I think
most of the reason for that was because I was always around older people.
Since my brothers were high school age when I was at the age where I
begin to remember, their friends were always at our house and all.
Also I think your daughter will be so much more comfortable with you
having a baby when she's 13.  She'll probably end up being a real help
and a very caring sister.  My brothers' reaction when I was born and they
saw me the first time: "Oh, so _that's_ what a Jacqueline looks like."

And not that this has to do with the sibling part, but I have always
been glad to have an older mom.  My mom's hair has been all-white for
as long as I can remember (I'm the cause I'm told :) and this makes her
look older. I remember quite clearly being at the food store one time
when I was five, and a woman came up to my mom and said, "What a charming
granddaughter you have!" To which I put my hands on my hips, and said
very loudly, "*THIS* is my MOTHER.  Not my Grandma."  Of course my mom
was sooooo embarrassed.  But I've always loved being born when I was.
I wouldn't have had it any other way, and consequently I would much rather
wait until my mid-to-late thirties to have a child if I had to have one.

---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Happiness is...
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:10:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202844.18382@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@csc.afit.af.mil writes:
>when your 3 yr old isn't eating her breakfast because she's too busy 
>playing with her 4 mo old sister.

On a related note -- I was sneaking my shower in before the kids woke up
this morning, and missed by a bit ... I hurried through the rest of the
shower.  When I turned off the water I heard Anna [22 months] saying
"I got a problem", then Timmy [4.5 yrs] saying "Here, Anna, you put your
arms in here ... good."  By the time I got to their bedroom I found
Anna (still in her crib).  She decided to get dressed, so Timmy got
her some clothes, helped her undress, and helped her dress (he was
just coaching I think).  She was almost fully dressed!  Well, not
quite correctly, but it really *was* cute!

-- Misty

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alex@donne.unx.sas.com (Alexandra Bost)
Subject: Re: The new Thermoscan ear thermometer
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:41:25 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

In article <23556@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes:
>
>I just purchased the new Thermoscan ear thermometer at a price
>of $119.95.  I'm not sure how accurate it is though.

I have had this thermometer for almost a year now and have been
VERY pleased with it.  I bought it when I was pregnant and have
been using it on my 3-month old son since he was a newborn.

Being a Paranoid New Mom [tm], the first few times I used it in
my son's ear, I also took his temperature rectally.  The comparison
was always very close (maybe a point or two difference).  

I have discovered the price of the thermometer was well worth the 
avoidance of taking a temperature rectally. (Plus, my husband is 
scared to death to take our son's temperature rectally -- but he 
will use the Thermoscan in a heartbeat!)

>When I take one of my daughter's temperature, I get a slightly
>different reading each time.  Some times it can be as much as
>1 degree.

Is your daughter moving her head?  The instructions recommend 
pulling the ear so you can point the thermometer into the ear 
canal.  I usually take my son's temperature when he is asleep --
I can gently tug his ear, insert the thermometer, and he never 
wakes up! 

I usually take three or four readings (since they only take one
second each) on my son and average them.  I think the manual 
recommends doing that on children.

>When I take my own temperature, it is usually within a couple
>tenths of a degree.

Yeah, the Thermoscan works great on adults, too.  :-)

>I want to use it from now on, instead of the old rectal method,
>with the digital thermometer, because my 2 year old is terrified
>of having her temperature taken.  My 9 month old is starting to
>fight the rectal thermometer method also.  

Fortunately, my son has never had a fever.  I have found I am 
more likely to check his temperature with the Thermoscan than 
I would if I had to do it rectally or under the arm.  So, for me,
the Thermoscan was a real bargain.

>I don't want to rush
>down to the doctor's and have them tell me that my daughters'
>temperatures are normal.

My pediatrician does not use the ear method to take temperatures,
but my Health Care provider does.  The pediatrician said it was 
a great way to take a temperature -- reading heat from the ear
canal is a lot more accurate than the oral method.

Just keep practicing with the Thermoscan.  I am sure you will 
come to like it!



Alex
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