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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Scourge Hit List
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:36:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <C1G8K6.Bpn@ns1.nodak.edu> shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson) writes:
>Here is the list from OHMU:
>
> Enforcer
>Miracle Man
>Hate-Monger III
>Megatak
>Melter
>Titania (the wrestler from the Thing)
>Basilisk
>Hammer
>Anvil
>Fly
>Death Adder
>Blue Streak
>Wraith
>Bird-Man II
>Turner D. Century
>Cheetah
>Commader Kraken
>Cyclone
>Firebrand
>Grappler
>Hellrazor
>Hijacker
>Jaguar
>Letha
>Mindwave
>Mirage
>Rapier
>Ringer
>Shellshock
>Streeplejack II (who remembers the first?)
>Vamp
>Scourge I ?
>
> Scourges' first appearance is Iron Man #194, the death of the 
>first Scourge was Cap. America #320.  Scourge has been shown as 
>a henchman of the Red Skull in Cap America recently. 
>  Most of these characters were in desperate need of being toasted,
>and so we ended up with a whole loaf of toast. :-)
>  This list is from 1986, so its probably a little out of date.

Obscure Trivia Lad says that Scourge also killed Red Skull II (the
communist one who operated during the 50's).  Also, in a USAgent
backup story in Captain America, Scourge went after the Power
Broker.  Scourge left PB alive, and was captured by USAgent, only
to be killed shortly afterwards (allegedly by another Scourge).

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Timber Wolf  (was: DC tries to Out-Marvel Marvel)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:21:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > >Okay, the primary thing I liked is the art.  Joe Phillips has a re
 > >nice style.  I understand he's mostly worked on horror comics befo
 > >but I don't think it really shows here.
 > 
 > Horror comics?  Well, I suppose that's one place to pigeonhole
 > Anne Rice's The Vampire Lestat.  "Dark Gothic Romance" is beter,
 > though.

Hey or, "Harlequin Trash" would work good too.  But I just calls 'em as
I hears 'em.  I was told that in the past Joe Phillips has mostly worked
on "horror comics".

 > >I particularly liked the character named Thrust, though.  He
 > >had a really cool look to him.
 > 
 > All of Lobo's progeny loom "cool."  It's in their contracts.

I'll assume that's a "k", and I'll assume that in an earlier issue of
this series Thrust was introduced as being one of Lobo's many offspring.

 > >The main criticism of the storyline seems to be that it's a Wolver
 > >ripoff.
 > 
 > No, the complaint is that it was *marketed* as a Wolverine riff.

So what?  YOUNGBLOOD was marketed as the greatest comic to come around
in the last ten years.  Don't believe everything you read.

 > >Timber Wolf apparently has a girlfriend; not
 > >some Japanese lady whom he worships and honors and whatever-all lo
 > >crap, but someone he cares about and has some self-doubt about whe
 > >the feelings are mutual.
 > 
 > Apparently is right.  Before Aria become the goddess Gemini and
 > Brin reverted from his Furrball form, he was her pet.  The
 > characterization of their continuing relationship is so unformed
 > at to be nonexistant.  Does he love her?  Is it just "puppy
 > (literally) love?"  Does she love him?  Or is he still just a pet
 > to her?  Since she's now a goddess (she killed Darkseid, you
 > know), is *everyone* merely a pet to her?  Are answers
 > forthcoming?

Don't know much about any of this, but I figure it could make for a 
story.  I'm still not clear as to whether or not they're doing a
full-length series after the limited series or not...

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From: jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:21:20 GMT

In article <C180q1.L2J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
> In article <93020.111835U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>
>>[Phantom Stranger is a neutral angel]  
> Well, it isn't very original.  Dante, in Canto III of Inferno, introduces us
> to the "coward angels."  They sit by the gateway to Hell.  According to 

Weren't they in the first circle, Limbo, and not by the gate? 

> Paradise Lost, 1/3 of the angels revolted, and kicked some major butt until 
> the Son came on the field.  Now 1/3 is 1/3 of infinity, which is still infinity,
> but we won't go into that.  But how could 1/3 POSSIBLY beat the reamining 2/3
> of the angels?  Well, that's because 1/3 remained neutral, evening the odds.
> So there's a heck of a lot more than one half angel wandering around. 

Wherever did you get the idea that Angels are infinite in number? There have
been various methods to calculate the number of Angels (and Demons) but 
nowhere have I read that they would be infinite in number. Or is
this the official view held by the contemporary Protestant/Catholic church?
Also, Paradise Lost (if I remember correctly) doesn't indicate that the
rebelling Angels could have "beat" the loyal Angels. ALSO, according to
to Milton, there was no neutral third group of angels, so you might as well
as well believe the version that says that one-tenth of the Angelic Host fell 
and say that this means that 80% of angels remained neutral.

BTW, if neutral Angels exist in the DC universe, could Remiel not have chosen
to remain neutral and join them instead of going to Hell? (Season of Mists)																																				
								
> 
> -- 
> I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
> man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
> wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
> 	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  

Can I borrow the "It's a Zen thing -you woulstand." ?

Cease purpose and die.

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/ Hope is the beginning of unhappiness /          jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Wayne A. Wong)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Distribution: na
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:14 EST  


Here's a couple:
- Randal (of was it Malcolm?  The one with the moustache), one of Bishop's
  XSE buddies from Uncanny X-Men looks like a long haired version of Whilce 
  Portacio.
- Boris Vallejo (He did comics work a long time ago, didn't he?) always 
  depicts himself in his pieces.

When I was younger, I always imagined Mike Grell looked like his version of 
Superboy from the 70's LSH.  Back then, I was a real Grell-boy.  I still 
don't know what "Iron Mike" looks like.  Maybe he looks like Green Arrow 
now.    :)

 - Wayne.
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:09:12 GMT

In article <C1Hz1K.6r1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>As far as I remember, the only time Dream can kill is when there is a
>vortex.  Only then can he take a life ('member Rose Walker?) instead
>of his sister doing the honours I suppose.  Have to go back and reread
>Doll's House.
>
>
>LJC
>

That's what was said, I believe -- but (aha! Neil, caught you in a 
contradiction, I think) in Preludes, after the ruby is destroyed, John Dee
asks Dream what he (Dream) is going to do with him (Dee) and asks if he will
be killed, and Dream says he could kill him if he wanted to.



Firestar

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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Sandman Art
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:09:47 GMT

From article <1993Jan23.070100.9790@netcom.com>, by dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig):
> It's not just the coloring.  Jill Thompson's art on this story has
> been unattractive, uneven, and often sloppy.  The result is that we
> can't really trust the artwork to convey subtleties.  For example,
> when Kris lets his passengers off, is Delerium standing on the water
> because Gaiman wanted her to, or because Thompson got sloppy?

	Last month when people were bitching about the Brief Lives art,
I was among those who defended it...not this month.  I'm really astounded
that is *is* so uneven.  I wouldn't call it bad (like I would Liefield and
the majority Marvel and Dc's herds) but it just could have been
done so much better.  I really like Jill's layouts, but honestly,
either she should spend more time pencilling or the inker should
spend a better time inking (anyone remember episode oo of Seasons of Mists
 -yeck!!!!!!!!).

 TTYL
 Chris

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From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.sandman
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:43:12 GMT

In article <rdippold.728001648@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>>Although Sandman itself may not justify a new newsgroup, certainly there
>>is enough interest in "mature" comics (Vertigo and its ilk, along with
>>limited runs and one-shots like _Maus_ or Gaiman's _Signal to Noise_)
>>to consider rec.arts.comics.mature.  What do folks think?
>
>Just thinking of the big debate over what's mature...  Is Lobo mature?
>Are all comics that don't have the comics code seal mature and all
>that do, not?  In some cases it's extremely obvious, but in many cases
>not.  rac.vertigo at least makes it fairly easy to place things.

But the name "rac.vertigo" implies that *only* Vertigo titles would be
appropriate to discuss, whereas I think it would follow the split in
interests more to have one group for standard, super-hero stuff, and
one group for Vertigo *and related stuff*.  As far as definitions, I
figure that that would work itself out on its own.  If the group
reading rac.mature doesn't want to talk about Lobo, then it wouldn't
get talked about.

- michael


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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:00:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.053549.24931@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>lintz@balin.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz):

>>However, the suggestion a while back about creating rec.arts.comics.vertigo.

>This may be a good idea.  It's certainly a better idea now that Vertigo
>is a separate imprint than it was when people were trying to draw lines
>between rac.mature and rac.notmature.  My own preference would be to hold
>off for a while, though, to see whether Vertigo looks to have staying power.

I think both of Dani's suggestions are good.  This is a discrete group
with heavy traffic that ain't gonna go away.  But it seems a wee bit
premature (no pun intended).

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"As soon as Roger saw the costume, his mind assumed the proportions of
 an industrial revolution unaware of the ecological damage it was
 causing"
   --- Enigma
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
"But why would you not want Apollo as your lover"
"Well, for one thing, I kept getting sunburned in the most embarassing 
   places!"
     --- Plato and Cassandra
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:23:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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I didn't.
Could someone who did post a summary or transcript?
Thnx.
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Saru  : "Ahem, ahem"
Yakumo: "Saru, do you believe me?"
Saru  : "Where's my Hong Kong souvenir?"
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:29:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.215000.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>	When Death met Capax, she said "You got a lifetime.  That's all
>anyone gets."
>	When Dream told Delirium they were going to see Orpheus, he called
>him "very young".
>	Thereupon, the meaning of the title is made clear:  All lives are
>brief, compared to the Endless.

Yeah, I think this is right.  I had the inkling of this thought with
Capax and Etain.  Everyone, even Orpheus who is of the family, is
"little people" (he says whilst setting down his origami dog :).  But
I'm still not clear how this relates to the arc thematically.
Because, it still seems to be a tale of the Endless, even if there is
a bit on how they relate to mortals.  Due to the title I'd expect more
emphasis on mortals than we've seen, if only to underscore their
briefness and Endless' lack thereof :").  And, does he mean to say the
same thing of the deities Ishtar, Faramond, and Bast?  It would seem
so, I think.  Gaiman's portrayal of them is not immortal, at least not
in the normal sense.

And, what do we make of calling attention to the fact that Morpheus is
not Apollo?  'Course I'm probably reading too much into that, could be
a throwaway I suppose.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"As soon as Roger saw the costume, his mind assumed the proportions of
 an industrial revolution unaware of the ecological damage it was
 causing"
   --- Enigma
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman TPBs--Different Covers?
Organization: The Little Answer Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:00:12 GMT

In article <C182H7.BKA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) asks:
>
>BTW, any1 know why _Original Sins_ has 2 different covers?

One is a DC book and one is a Warner book. They have the same contents,
but are usually handled by different distributors. (Though some comic
distributors, like Cap City, will solicit for both.) The same thing 
was done for _Preludes and Nocturnes_ when it first came out. Scared
me silly to think that there was some Sandshit [tm] that I didn't own.

(Can anyone remind me what the Warner cover for P&N looked like? I've
 completely forgotten it.)

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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  all over the South. It was falling on all of the
    Feeling just slightly   |  empty peanut fields and softly upon the Planters	
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From: lbonham@escp10.xerox.com (Larry Dean Bonham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Nine Princes in Amber (Zelazny)
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:54:09 GMT
Organization: xerox

If anyone has the time, I would appreciate a post on any information
which is available wrt/ the upcoming graphic novel on "Nine Princes
in Amber".

Thanks,

Larry
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Most dangerous job
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:32:27 GMT

For years everybody has made fun over the number of "disposable crew
members" on board the original Enterprise. The joke goes that it would
be the last job that you would possibly want.

Well folks, I think I can top it.

After reading Legends of the Dark Knight #42 ("Hothouse"), I have come
to the conclusion that being a Gotham City Councillor would be much more
dangerous. Yet another one died in this issue (granted, a former one,
but still...) and I have lost count of the number that have died over
the years. It must be well up in the double digets.

No wonder Gordon wants to stay as Police Commissioner, it's a hell of a
lot more safe. ;->

_craig
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Defiant looks interesting...
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I

In article <C1Ix4A.LE2@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> andrew@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker) writes:
>
>On another point I have heard people saying that Valiant have gone downhill
>ever since Shooter left. Does anyone agree? Personally, I have only just
>started buying Valiant titles, and I like most of them, particularly
>Archer and Armstrong.
>
>cheers,
>Andy W

While some of the titles have slipped a bit since he left, some have also
improved. For example, I'm not too fond of Magnus and Bloodshot, but I feel
that books like Shadowman have had some drastic improvement. (Compare issue
#6 [YECHHH!!] to #12 - see the difference?) Also, I heard somewhere that
Shooter had the plots of the Valiant titles planned out for the next year or 
so, and that the books are still following the direction that he had planned
for them.

On a different note, I attended the convention in NYC on Sunday and spoke to
a marketting guy from Valiant. He hinted at the possibility that BWS might
leave Archer and Armstrong by the end of the year. "Even if he leaves the
book, he'll still be with us." or something like that. Considering how 
good this book is, this will be a real shame.

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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:05:33 GMT

royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:

>In article <C12Aoq.7rp@news2.cis.umn.edu> bert@snowman.med.umn.edu (Albert Nakano  CBN) writes:
>>A few days ago, someone posted saying what was the use of Death having a day
>>every century to herself if she remembers everything about her?
>>
>>Well, to counter that, I would like to suggest the following.  How would you
>>like to be working day in and day out, with no weekends off, no holidays off,
>>not even sick leave for a whole 100 long years?  It would drive you insane!
>>Unless you had something to look forward to, like a day off.  That's what I
>>think is happening.  It's Death's vacation.  Give her a break.
>>
>Actually, I think it is more of an experiment; being always an outsider, she
>has no insight as to what LIFE looks like; Destiny, Desire, Dream, Despair,
>Delirium, they all get to see well what is happening, the shaping of what they 
>are. As for Didi (gee, do I love this name!), all she knows of is death, and 
>she would be missing an interesting perspective if she wouldn't study life.

>In Season of Mists part 0, we are told that Dream "heard that Death becomes 
>mortal once every century, but he doesn't ask her if it's true; maybe he is 
>afraid to know the answer". Would that mean that this mortalisation is more
>than a joyride? Also, why does Didi (sorry, couldn't help it.) always become
>mortal on OUR planet? Mad Hettie suggests that last time it was also here, so
>would that mean that she becomes mortal every century on EVERY planet of the
>multiverse? That would mean she is on constant holyday, then.

Hmmm....  Maybe she does the mortal thing simultaneously on all planets?
Or, she chooses whichever one she wants each time?  When Mad Hettie said
she missed her last time, it could just be because she was on the wrong
planet.  :)

>Gee, my head hurts...

>Daniel Roy

		-Darkmage

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Very Few Death #1 comments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:14:57 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>In article <C1Htxq.4CE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>>Can't stand beer...

>And you call yourself a Constantine.

Constantine yes.

John, no.

there can be *some* variation in a family you know.

If it's any conselation,  I smoke like a fiend.
And, ask anyone, I wear a rumpled trenchcoat.

Okay, so only Glenn C. and Enrique (tho he doens't remember) have seen me in
person.

Oh, and Thanantos too.

LJC
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Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Sandman TPBs--Different Covers?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:31:36 GMT

lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> In article <C182H7.BKA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) asks:
> >
> >BTW, any1 know why _Original Sins_ has 2 different covers?

What is Original Sins?


> (Can anyone remind me what the Warner cover for P&N looked like? I've
>  completely forgotten it.)

I think it was the cover to the first issue....
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Sandman #47 (APA! SPOILERS!)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:34:34 GMT

jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:

>Major spoilers here, so go no further unless you've read the issue.
>You've been warned.




>  Other nice touches included the delight statue, the limitations on
>Destiny's book, and the promise that we will find out the mystery
>woman's identity soon.

I liked the statues in the garden.  Destruction's was facing a different
direction that the others.  Nice touch.

Sue
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