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From: crathina@norton.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu)
Subject: Kalyanam.
Originator: crathina@norton.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:46:02 GMT


       idu oru karpanai villakkam
       --------------------------

 Countamani: "kalyanam engirathu oru gelaepikkaga oru sweet kadaiyai
 ----------            
             vangukira madiri waste".


  Senthil  : "avar kidakkirar sarkarai viyadikkarar. Kalyanam engirathu
  -------        
             chonthamaga oru scooter vanghukira madiri. Adikkadi
             
             vadaghaikku edutha panamum pogum, vandi repair aagi
     
             vudampum pogum". 

             Which one is correct? For some people it is a loss (waste)
             
             and for someother people it is a gain (profit by dowry/some
            
             other means).
             
             Is this correct?

 Just kidding,
 C.Rathinavelu

  "vummuna moonchi kuda sirikuthu ithai parthu/kaettu"
From: n2skr@iastate.edu (Suresh K Reddy)
Subject: America lo YAMAGOLA
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:24:05 GMT


 Triloka sanchaaram chestunna NARADUDU narakam lo
 YamaDharmaRaju, ChitraGuptudu et. al. elaa unnaraa
 chooddamani narakaniki cherenu..

 NARA: Narayana, Narayana

 YAMA: Narada Muneendrulaku susvagatamu

 C-GUPTA: Triloka sancharulu ilaa vachutaku karanam,
          mallaa emi muppu pattukochaaro, kindati saari
          YAMAGOLA lo bhoolokamu naku pampaaru...

 NARA: Narayana, ikkada meeru kusalemaana ani choochutaku vachanu ante..

 C-GUPTA: aa yemi kusalamo, eemadhyana vinta manushulu vachuchunnaru ikkadiki,
          meere choostaru aagandi, ....SOMALINGAM urf JOHN...

 JOHN: Yeah, comin' along...

 YAMA: itanu kooda bahrateeyudu lagunnadu, vichitramu gaa maatladuchunnade

 C-GUPTA: ide narada muneendra, yee vaipareetyam emito ardham kavadamledu,
          paigaa itani accent karna-katoramugaa unnadi...

 NARA: (manasulo: veeru batikunnapude kaaka ippudu kooda peedinchuchunnaru janaalani)
      ee madhyana bharateeyulu kuppalu kuppalugaa America povuchunnaru,
      daani prabhavame idi...

 YAMA: AMERICA????

 NARA: Bhoolokamuna svargamu ani chaala mandi bhavinturu, kaani ati bhayankaramaina
       papa kaaryamulu koodaa jarugunu AMERICA lo, akkadiki gaani velleru dadusukuntaaru.

 YAMA: AAEH..(full kopam gaa, SV Rangarao or SatyaNarayana)..
       veerati veerulaina nemi, narakamunaku ravutaku sahasinchare..
       devatalu kooda ikkadiki vachutaku samsayinture....
       atuvanti yee narakamunaku adipathini nenu..
       sakala loka palakunda, YAMUNDA..naaku bhayamaa...ChitraGupta ventane
       AMERICA prayanamunaku siddamu kammu...

 C-GUPTA: kalaha-bhoji tamaru raangane anukunna, edo muppu vachunani..

 NARA: Narayana... (with a smile exits the place)
 
 To be Continued.....

( Mythological language pettinchadaaniki tega prayatninchaanu
 kaani, mana telugu antanta-maatram....)

 sury
(cgsuryan@pyr.swan.ac.uk)

p.s. If some netters can share their funny/starnge experiences in
 America, I can include that in this kadha/natika..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
From: srini@engin.umich.edu (Srinivasan Pichumani)
Subject: Re: Similarity between Telugu and Tamil
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:03:27 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BtJxBC.ID9@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada) writes:
>RC>It is quite commonly said that the languages Telugu and Tamil are
>RC>similar. However, this opinion seems to have been voiced by Tamilians
>RC>who do not know Telugu.
>
>Irrespective of the acceptance of my points and views, I can not understand,
>why dis-association with Tamil is all that important for some.

This is a very interesting observation. You can ascribe a few reasons to 
this phenomenon :

1. A certain wish, conscious or unconscious, to be part of the pan-Indian,
Sanskritic, "hochkultur" (high-culture) tradition; since their language is
the source for this world-view, it would do not very much good to be 
associated with a "regional" language like Tamil, or stress its associations
with Tamil.

2. Another reason is the stridency with which linguistic chauvinists in this
century have staked their language's claims to a distinct identity, hoary
antiquity, and originality. In this process, all links, associations, and
assimilations have to be denied, exorcised, or revised. In the case of Tamil,
this has occured vis-a-vis Sanskrit. In the case of other Indian languages,
this process has occured if the link is not with a
"deva-bhAshA", but with a "pAmara-bhAshA" or a prAkrit
or a apabrahmsha.

3. Another reason is maybe the "oversell" that has been going on in this
century by the zealous proponents of Tamil. While these people would like
to embrace the other South Indian languages, and gain "strength" from such
an exercise, the other language proponents probably consider such inclusion
unwelcome, "suffocating", and retrogressive.

--Srini.

ps: Actually, the vehemence with which some Kannadigas deny their language's
links with Tamil more intriguing than the present debate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B)
Subject: ADAMI - HP LASERWRITER
Keywords: PRINTING OPTIONS
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:33:35 GMT


Dear Netters,


	I have got the latest ADAMI software with me. I want to

print using HP laserwriter. Is it possible ? I tried my best. I

could not. If there is no direct way possible, Can I use some

other way of converting my fonts to somestyle. But the net result,

is that I should be able to print using HP Laserwriter.

	Thanx in advance.


				Raghu, Balasubramanian
				

--------------------------------------------------------------------

     "enna thann nadakkanun nadakkattumE
      iruttinil needhi maraiyattumE
      thannalE Odi vidum mayangathE
      nam thalaivi irukkiRaL kalangathE

            puratchi thalaivi irukkiRal kalangathE "

					kannidasan
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: hazel@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (sriram)
Subject: Re: Salutations to Thiru.Vi.Ka
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:51:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.030122.4513@nuscc.nus.sg> krishna@iss.nus.sg (Krishnamoorthy Subrahmanyam) writes:
>
>   26th August - A good day to remember in history of Tamil literature.  Yes, 
>   it is a birth day of Thiru.Vi.Kalyanasundharanar (dhiru.vi.ka). Yesterday, 
>   26th August, was his 109th birthday. 
>
>   In Tamil,  the  classical  literature consists of Iyal, Isai, NAdagam, and 
>   everybody knows it as Muththamiz. The puthinam(Novel) and urainadai(Essay)
>   are very new and recent addition to the age old language. 


	[lot of good stuff about thiru. vi. ka deleted]
>
>   -Krishnamoorthy.
>

I have to agree with you that Thiru. Vi. Ka was one of the best essayist
in tamil. I have read a collection of his essays on tamil literature
called "katturai thiRattu" which I heartily recommend to anyone interested
in the subject. But be prepared for a very stilted prose(!). He has got
to be one of the most prolific writers of this century. Most of his writings 
were about Indian freedom movement, religion and social reformation. I have
also read a book of his on Saiva SidhdhAntham called "saivaththul samarasam".
Since I am not religious I tend to appreciate his writings on literature
more. Apparently he edited a nationalist newspaper named Nava Shakthi along
with Kalki. 

Actually,  yet another tamil scholar's, Sa. Vaiyapuri Pillai's birth 
anniversary went by. SVP supposedly set the modalities for modern day 
research in tamil. And was also known to be free of political biases 
in his research.

sriram
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: thiruvaaymozhi 1.1.6 (of 1102) of nammaazhvaar
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:45:18 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

\(TAMIL) thiruvaay mozhi 1.1.6
ninRanar irundhanar kidandhanar thirindhanar
ninRilar irundhilar kidandhilar thirindhilar
enRum Or iyalvinar ena ninaivu ariyavar
enRum Or iyalvOdu ninRa em thidarE

\J \(ROMAN) Those who are standing (ninRanar), those who are
sitting (irundhanar), those who are lying down (kidandhanar), those who are
walking (thirindhanar), those who are not standing (ninRilar), those who are
not sitting (irundhilar), those who are not lying down (kidandhilar), those
who are not walking (thirindhilar), do not have the same nature (Or iyalvinar)
always (enRum), and it is rare (ariyavar) for them to having stable thoughts
(ena ninaivu).

Our (em) Lord (thidarE) graces (ninRa) always (enRum) with
unchanging nature (Or iyalvOdu). \j

(Parama Atma is the only constant, which controls all the other variable
things in nature)

K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
------------------------------------------
It is interesting to note that 'iru' is used in the meaning as in Kerala
and yaazhpaaNam, and not common sense of today's TN.
From: rgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu (Ramesh K. Gopi)
Subject: apology
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Reply-To: rgopi@calypso.eng.uci.edu (Ramesh K. Gopi)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:52:01 GMT

  This is an apology for multiple postings on the music club.  I tried many times to post this article unsuccessfully, and finally realized that I had posted the same article twice.  

Ramesh K. Gopi
From: rbk@avi.umiacs.umd.edu (Balaji Raghavachari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: O  rasikkum ceemanE
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:43:38 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
In-reply-to: Venkatachalam Aruna's message of 28 Aug 92 22:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.220837.16767@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna (Affable) writes:

   Could anybody complete this good old movie song?
     O rasikkum ceemanE
     vaa jolikkum udai aninthu
     kalikkum nadanam purivomE.
   paadiyavar, padap peyar, nadiththavarkal, padalai iyaRRivar pOnRa
   vivarankalum pirasurikkupattaal mika nallathu.

   Cheers,
   Venkat
   --

I am not sure of the other details; let me have a try to get the song
right. Pardon my hopeless transliteration.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
O rasikkum ceemanE! 
vaa jolikkum udai aninthu
kalikkum nadanam purivOm

Adai ninaikum pozhudhu 
manam inikkum vidhathil
sugam aLikkum kalaigal arivOm

O rasikkum ceemanE! ....


Karchilaiyum arpudhamum kandu
adhan kattazhagilE mayakkam kondu
karchilaiyum arpudhamum kandu
adhan kattazhagilE mayakkam kondu, karchilayin kattazhagilE mayakkam kondu

veeN karpanaiyellAm manadhil 
arpudham enrE magizhndhu
virpanai seyyAdhE madhiyE

adai ninaikum pozhudhu 
manam inikkum vidhathil
sugam aLikkum kalaigal arivom

O rasikkum ceemanE! ....

VAnulagam sorgamadai nAdi
inba vAzhkaiyai izhandhavargal kOdi
vAnulagam sorgamadai nAdi
inba vAzhkaiyai izhandhavargal kOdi, pengalinba vAzhkaiyai izhandhavargal kOdi

verum AnavathinAlE perum 
gnaniyai pOlE ninaithu
veenilE alaiya vEndAm

adai ninaikum pozhudhu 
manam inikkum vidhathil
sugam aLikkum kalaigal arivom

O rasikkum ceemanE! ....
----------------------------------------------------------------------



Regards,
--Balaji
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Subject: Re: A poem
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:03:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.050550.28455@cis.ohio-state.edu> sundar@golf.cis.ohio-state.edu (N Sundar) writes:
>
>Here is an interesting poem I once read about Hanuman.
>
>	anjilae  onRu peRRAn anjilae onRaith thAvi
>	anjilae  onRARAna AriyarkkAga  aegi
>	anjilae  onRu peRRa aNangaik kandu  ayalAr ooril
>	anjilae  onRu vaiththAn avan emmai aLithuk kAppAn.
>
>The meaning so far as I am able to make out:
>	anjilae onRu peRRan : the son of one of the five elements (i.e.
>			      pancha-bhuthas) viz. air; a reference to Hanuman
>	anjilae onRaith thAvi:
				Here it means, crossing one of the five
				elements (i.e, sea)

>	anjilae onRARAna Ariyar: This is interesting. When Ram meets Guha near
>				Ganga, he accepts him as a brother. When he 
>				meets SugrIva, he accepts him as a sixth
>				brother. So, this is a reference to Sugriva.

				The phrase I recollect is 
			'anjile onRARAga'
				which means, 'AgAya MArkamAga'
				( ARu - MArkkam, vazhi). 

>		AriyarkkAga aegi: having set forth for Sugriva

		Aryan is Raman 

 	Note that the poet has connected all the five elements with
Hanuman, implicitly implying that Hanuman's grace is equivalent to 
the grace of the pancha poothangaL.

	The poem looks good enough to be from kambarAmAyaNam.


Bye
Babu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: akg0819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nall'a Paiyan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Vinayaga (Pillaiyar) Sadurthi.
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:40:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


gt4084c@prism.gatech.EDU (SRINIVASAN,K) writes:

[Stuff deleted] 

>Ungal paavathirku parigaaramaaga udane ELLurundaiyaavadhu anuppi
>vaickavum-:)
>-- 
>SRINIVASAN,K
[Stuff deleted] 

OK, you asked for it...

		lll
	       lllll
	      lllllll    = "l" urundai. :-)
	      lllllll
	       llllll
		llll

Arun ( very hungry ) Krishnan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Literary Awards in Tamil (was Re: What is Literature)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:17:33 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <17tfscINNbt3@hilbert.math.ksu.edu> ravi@math.ksu.edu (Kuppusamy Ravindran) writes:
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>
>
>>	The only 'Gyanpith Award' winner in Tamil was the 'idealist' writer
>>	Akilan for his 'multi-cornered' love story 'chiththirappaavai'.
>>	(This was made into a TV serial and the cassettes are available in US).
>>	This was disputed by many Tamil critics. If 'chiththirappaavai'
>>	deserves the highest literary honor of India, there were more than 
>>	100 better novels written in Tamil by then.
>
>        As a foot note, he also got the Sahitya Academy award for his
>        `historical novel': Vengaiyin Mindan.
	
	He got Tamil Nadu goverment award also for his another
	'historical novel': kayal vizhi.

	This was made into a 'famous movie': 'Maduraiyai meetta Sundara 
 	Pandiyan'. MGR was SP in the movie.
>
>        Ravi
>
>>	
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>>sundar@esv1.hsis.uci.edu
>-- 
>Kuppusamy Ravindran                                  ravi@hilbert.math.ksu.edu
>Department of Mathematics                            ravi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu  
>Kansas State University                              ravi@ksuvm.ksu.edu 
>Manhattan, KS 66506                                  (913) 532-6750 

	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
From: uds@parvathi.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Subject: Re: Similarity between Telugu and Tamil
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:54:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.235301.8870@news.uiowa.edu> rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada) writes:
>In article <2A9A8444.18620@orion.oac.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>	(2). I remember reading a 'letter to the editor' in 'The Hindu',
>>	in which the reader compared the Delhi News of AIR in Tamil and
>>	Telugu. He claimed that while Tamils are more consious about using
>>	good Tamil words, Telugus have not made any worthy attempt towards
>>	that. The result, he claimed, is more usage of Sanskrit and Hindi
>>	words and hence, making the 'news' less popular.
>
>Less popular, I doubt it. I haven't heard any such comment about AIR news.
>No, I am not calling for a survey on that :-).


I heard a lot of AIR telugu news whenever I went to India, just
to know the govt position (as also due to nostalgic feelings).
My opinion is that AIR telugu news contains a lot of Hindi/Urdu
words as much as it contains pure sam mskrit words.



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


>>
>>	I heard that in M.A. Telugu course there is a compulsory Sanskrit Paper.
>>	Does it have anything to do with this trend continuing still?.

I fell this is necessary to be able to `study' the old literary
jewels by the various literary giants of the 10th to 15 centuries.
I think almost all tamil literature can be `studied' (with a little
outsiode help for some exceptional cases), without any knowledge of
samskritam.

This should tell you samskritam and bramhinism, has telugu literature in
its grip...


>>
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>
>Ramakrishna


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: What is literature ?
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:00:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MecEnKe00awD86JlFu
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It's unfortunate that such a state exists where most magazines cator 
too much to movie interests.  I've seen all such magazines. They are 
worse than what they were just 5 yrs ago. But, there are journals like
Ambuli Mama (for kids) that I enjoyed reading when I was back in Jaffna.
They had good short stories and mythical advenures. 

At this point, I would like to point out the state of journalism among
Tamils of
Eelam(proposed only....).  Literary work is still popular and doesn't
receive backstage seat to cimema commentories. One needs only to look at
the steady stream of  more than 6 Tamil newspaper-jounals being
published in Canada. I had a chance to look at all of them during the
summer.  
It was good to know that good journalism and literary activity are 
alive and well even in a distant land. Then again Canada might be the
place where our Tamil culture has taken its root under a safe roof
.....for now.

Even in the annual memorial day event(for all the Tamils killed so far
since 1983) in Queens, NY and the extravagent KaLlaiviLla held in
Boston, poetry, art and of course Bharathiyar were given their full
dues.  Both programs had some Tamil Nadu Tamils' participation. 

For anyone interested, an edited video tape of the cultural programs
held in Boston by the Boston Tamil Youth Association  will be available
soon for buying.


-Suresh
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: SCT is 40th in the list of per-reader cost
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:12:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Sep3.162819.12028@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:

>all those quotations make sense to begin with.) I don't
>know if this affects the cost aspect referred to, however.
>
>My () cents, obviously.
>
>Sthan.

	I agree with Sthan. IF some informed people can post what are
	all the cost determining factors, we can reduce very much.

	IMHO, considering the quality of postings in the SCT, it is not
	really worth spending so much (whoever pays for it). 

	A committee may be formed to chart out various aspects of cost
	reducing aspects, universal tranliteration scheme and other
	guidelines. All the suggestions regarding this may be directly,
	sent via e-mail to the committee members. And the guidelines
	may be posted first day of every month. 

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu

P.S: On my part, I will limit two postings or less per week.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan)
Subject: Re: SILADAI
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:12:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.021722.6420@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
[...]
>>Asokan writes:
>>
>>>Just to pick nits:
>>
>>>veLLi is, IMHO, not a reference to the sun.  It is a reference
>>>to vidiveLLi, the morning star, aka venus.  Not that it changes
>>>the meaning or SP's lucid description in any significant way....
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>- Asokan
>  
> From the movie `ThiruviLaiyaadal' : 
>    `paattezhudhip peyar vaangum pulavarkaL irukkiRaarkaL, kuRRam
> kaNdupidiththE peyar vaangum pulavarkaLum irukkiRaarkaL, idhil
> neer endha vagaiyaich chErndhavar enRu umakkE theriyum..'[ NagEsh ]

Probably from the same movie:
	`neRRikkaNNaith thiRandhaalum kuRRam kuRRamE` - nakkeerar(?)

Sorry, it was too tempting to give it a miss. :-)

Regards,

- Asokan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: kamban-Ramaayanam
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:53:14 GMT

In article <67513@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4084c@prism.gatech.EDU (SRINIVASAN,K) writes:
>In article <kat.715463345@sarek> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>
><deleted some sandham konjum paadalgaL>
>
>There is one more that I remember in which Kamban uses a sandham
>reflecting what is going on in the story:
>
>When Kumbakarnan had to be woken up for the war, it seems they used
>ulakkais.  I remember only the first two lines of the verse which
>sounds like the action:
>
>uRanguginRa kumbakarNa, ungaL maaya vazhvelaam
>iRanguginRa dhinRu kaaN, ezhundiraay, ezhundhiraay
>----------------
>
>iRanguginRadhu + inRu 
>
>Can anybody complete the verse?  Also can somebody post a translation
>for the verse posted by Kathiravan?  Thanks.
>-- 
>SRINIVASAN,K
>School of Textile Engineering   Georgia Tech.
>uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt4084c
>ARPA: gt4084c@prism.gatech.edu




I remember the verse as

	urangukinRa kumbakarana ungal mAyavAzhvelAm
	irangukinRa kAlaikAAn, ezundhirai  ezundhirai 
	ThiRangar Pola vil pidiththa kaLa veerar kaiyale
	uranguvai uranguvai enikkiddhandhey uranguvai.

	(I think the first word in third line is ThiRangar, I am not
	too sure. Intended meaning Yama Thudhars, kingarars)

the meaning is:


	Get up,  Kumba Karna, Get up.
	Quit your sleep and see the morning on which your illusionary
	life is about to take a definite downturn.

	In the hands of the bold warrior, which hold a bow and
 	who resembles an ambassador of the angel of death,
	you can stay and fall asleep, and fall asleep ...



In addition to he rhythm, the choice of words to describe something
as bad as death is commendable. There is nothing new in describing
death as a deep, permanent or ever-lasting slumber.
	

Kamabar describes the act of killing effortlessly. He simply says
"kaiyale uranguvai". What can be more natural? At birth, the
baby falls asleep the same way.

	The difference is
		Baby sleeps (ammavin) pAal koduttha kaiyale

		Kumbakaranan is going to sleep (ramanin) vil pidiththa
		kaiyale; kol (ambu) thodukkum kaiyale.

	Kamban alludes to the permanent nature of Kumbakarnan's sleep (death)
	in two words

		ini - here after
		kiddhandhey  - the last letter of this word
			conveys the everlasting nature of the final sleep

		        He did not say kiddandhu; He said kiddandhey 
			with a tone of finality.


I don't think my recollection is 100% right. But I am not completely
off the target either.

vanakkam
Ram Kumar