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From: davidv@sco.COM (Uncle David)
Subject: Comic Strips that acknowlege they're a comic strip...
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:22:45 GMT


one of the things i really really really like in comic strips is when
they acknowledge they are simply that. the best example of this is 
The Fusco Brothers, which seems to do that with a lot of regularity.
another example of this is the Far Side. there's one particular Far
Side where you see a audience full of scientists, and someone is 
introducing a speaker and the caption reads something like: "And
now Dr. Furkleham will present his paper titled 'The possibilty of
Life elsewhere on the Funny page", only Larson's original caption
was far more humorous. i remember Bloom County reaching out to the
user as well, especially towards the end of the strip when you see
that Steve Dallas has gotten a job in Cathy (complete with appropiate
art-work, etc). 

a local strip that runs in the San Francisco Chronicle: Farley (by
Phil Frank) (and in my humble opinion, the only reason to buy the
Chronicle) has also done this on numerous occassions. soon after
the great Quake of '89 (and damnit, it was not the San Franciso
quake, not when the dan epicenter was less than 10 miles from i 
live here in Santa Cruz), there was a few days of strips where
someone from the Federal Comics Commission is doing a structural
integrity check of the panels to determine if the strip surrvived
the quake and can continue to run. when Phil Frank took the strip
local (it used to be known as Travels with Farley, nationally 
syndicated and all that), he did similar silly stuff with the strip.

the funny page(s) is/are the first thing i generally read when i
read the paper. i figure that you gotta start the day off with a 
laugh or two. 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: The literate Calvin and Hobbes (& mom)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:07:55 GMT

lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:

>carruthers@brandonu.ca (Kai'ckul) writes:
>> Saturday's Calvin and Hobbes was probably one of the funniest strips in
>> a looonnnnnnnggggg time.  I'm STILL smiling thinking about it.  Can anyone
>> place those quotes?  I sure can't, which doesn't make it any less funny.
>> Sure sounds like Shakespeare.
>> 
>> Sean
>> carruthers@tkm.BrandonU.ca
>> 

>I don't think they were quotes; just Calvin & Mom talking in Shakespearian.
>I loved it!

>-LJ.
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>lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
>Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.

I missed this cartoon and this discussion has made me incredibly curious.
Could someone please print the discussion between Calvin and his mother?
Thanks in advance.
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Comic strip cencorship WAS Re: Calvin & Hobbes 7-15-92?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:41:04 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

[C&H censored on 7-15-92, discussion deleted]

>
>Here is my two cents worth gripe about such censorship:
>
>It is totally asinine for newspaper editors to censor comic strips.  It is
[deletia...]
>
>People should drop their subscriptions to such newspapers that mock our
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I did just this when the San Jose Mercury News censored the Dan Quale Doonsebury strips.
And I don't even read Doonsebury (sp?).   


   -barry h.


>
>-Zak.


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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: Comic Strips that acknowlege they're a comic strip...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23959]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:51:24 GMT

	My absolute favorite example of this was a "Blondie" Sunday strip circa
1978.  Dagwood gets up early, dresses and shaves comfortably.  Has a leisurely,
delicious breakfast.  He greats the mailman at the door without knocking him
down (much to Mr. Beasely's surprise) and gets to the bustop in plenty of time.
At work, Mr. Dithers comes rushing up to his desk and congratulates him for
landing that important account.  He gives him a raise on the spot and tells 
him to take the rest of the day off.  Later, at home, Blondie has made him
his favorite meal for dinner.  Dagwood eats his fill and lays down for a 
luxurious nap.  Later still, Herb stiks his head in the window and whispers
to Dagwood that the guys are getting a clandestine poker game together in
someone's garage.  Blondie pops in and tells Dagwood to go on and have fun.
At the game, Dagwood has a huge pile of chips in front of him as he lays down
what is clearly not his first winning hand.  In the vary last panel, we see
Blondie lieing in bed, a book in her lap.  Looking directly at the reader,
she says, "You know, after fifty years of this comic strip, he deserves a
day like this."
	I wish I'd saved it...

				Derek



Derek Toten
From: jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The literate Calvin and Hobbes (& mom)
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:43:42 GMT
Reply-To: jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>>I didn't understand the "cop show" reference (but then again I don't watch
>>much TV these days).  Was there some significance to this?  Is there a
>>cop show these days where the characters talk like medieval knights?
>
>I think he meant that he'd *rather* be watching a cop show than what
>Mom was watching, which was presumably a Shakespeare play or something
>similar.


That was part of the joke--that his idea of great dialog is what he
hears in cop shows, which typically are the worst-written, most low-brow
of all TV show genres.


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From: marx@remus.rutgers.edu (Mitchell Marx)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: A Wish For Wings That Work
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:23:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Any chance of this special being put out on video?  My taped copy got
screwed up.  At least I still have the TV Guide article by Berke
Breathed that I wrapped it in. :-)

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From: dolf@echo.philips.nl (Dolf Grunbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Comics controversies?
Keywords: popeye
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:47:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department

bovik@eecs.nwu.edu (James Salsman) writes:
>I just heard that Popeye was pulled by the syndicate (!) because
>they didn't think it was appropriate.
I read something about this.

>At issue was Olyve Oyl (I've probably spelled the name of Popeye's
>girlfriend wrong) who was tricking a priest into thinking that she
>was having an abortion, when in fact she was not even pregnant.

What I read (in Dutch) was that she got a baby (or just a doll ?) from
Brutus the biggest enemy of Popeye. She *got* it, she never was pregnant.
She gave it back to Brutus use a phrase like:

           "If I didn't ask for it, I don't want to keep it"

This is supposed to be a motto of the pro-abortion movement in the USA.
(remember I am translating a phrase from Dutch into English, while someone
 else has done the reverse before me, so the original English phrase could
 be much different).

>Has anyone seen the strip in question?
Unfortunately I didn't.
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From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: Comics controversies?
Keywords: popeye
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:21:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.162122.28160@cc.umontreal.ca> duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent) writes:
>
>Actually, Olive gets a baby in a basket and tells Popeye she has the right to
>decide if she wants to keep it or not.  A priest overhears and thinks she's
>talking about abortion.  From there, it turns into a pro-life propagand (for

  This is not the story I heard.  In the San Jose Mercury News, they
said that the strip was very pro-abortion rights, and that this didn't
set well with the conservative King Features Synd.


--Raymond Flournoy        
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From: marx@remus.rutgers.edu (Mitchell Marx)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Doonesbury books
Keywords: missing some, any leads?
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:20:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have most of the Doonesbury books (including a trivia book and the 
original Yale cartoons), but I'm looking for the following:

	Still A Few Bugs In The System
	The President Is A Lot Smarter Than You Think
	You're Never Too Old For Nuts And Berries
	Stalking The Perfect Tan
	But The Pension Fund Was Just Sitting There
	We're Not Out Of The Woods Yet
	
Anybody know where I could get these?  Either a mail order house or
somewhere in the NY/NJ area.


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From: guy@world.std.com (Guy K Hillyer)
Subject: Re: Popeye bites the dust
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:10:29 GMT

In article <8hkmb3+@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies) writes:
>
>> I just saw that the artist who is drawing the current incarnation of
>> Popeye has been fired by his syndicate because he had Olive Oyl voice an
>> opinion on abortion rights. 
>
>None of the articles I've seen have mentioned it -- was this Bobby London?
>I saw some of his Popeye work once, and liked it more than most of the
>recent revivals of classic strips. 
>

Didn't Bobby London do "Dirty Duck" years ago in the Nat'l Lampoon?


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Subject: Re: Comic Strips that acknowlege they're a comic strip...
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 21:01:35 GMT


In a previous article, davidv@sco.COM (Uncle David) says:

>
>one of the things i really really really like in comic strips is when
>they acknowledge they are simply that. the best example of this is 
>The Fusco Brothers, which seems to do that with a lot of regularity.
>aother example of this is the Far Side. there's one particular Far
>Side where you see a audience full of scientists, and someone is 
>introducing a speaker and the caption reads something like: "And
>now Dr. Furkleham will present his paper titled 'The possibilty of
>Life elsewhere on the Funny page", only Larson's original caption
>was far more humorous. i remember Bloom County reaching out to the
>user as well, especially towards the end of the strip when you see
>that Steve Dallas has gotten a job in Cathy (complete with appropiate
>art-work, etc). 
>
>a local strip that runs in the San Francisco Chronicle: Farley (by
>Phil Frank) (and in my humble opinion, the only reason to buy the
>Chronicle) has also done this on numerous occassions. soon after
>the great Quake of '89 (and damnit, it was not the San Franciso
>quake, not when the dan epicenter was less than 10 miles from i 
>live here in Santa Cruz), there was a few days of strips where
>someone from the Federal Comics Commission is doing a structural
>integrity check of the panels to determine if the strip surrvived
>the quake and can continue to run. when Phil Frank took the strip
>local (it used to be known as Travels with Farley, nationally 
>syndicated and all that), he did similar silly stuff with the strip.
>
>the funny page(s) is/are the first thing i generally read when i
>read the paper. i figure that you gotta start the day off with a 
>laugh or two. 
>
>-- 
>David Vangerov, Systems Analyst - Advanced Technologies, Information Services.
>Voice: 408-425-7222, x4357 | Email: ...!uunet!sco!davidv | SCO would never say 
>Fax:   408-427-5460        |        davidv@sco.com       | something this lame
>  "First rule of bicycling: you're always going up a hill and into the wind"
>

Herriman did the same thing in many panels of Krazy Kat, especially in the
1940's.  And of course there were the cartoons like Out of the Inkwell and the
absolute classic Duck Amuck, in which Bugs Bunny draws Daffy Duck in various
insane getups and incarnations. (Or at least that's what I think happens; it's
been a long time ((too long)) since I've watched it.)

J. Del Col
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From: duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Comics controversies?
Keywords: popeye
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:21:22 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Jul23.114730.26253@echo.philips.nl> dolf@echo.philips.nl (Dolf Grunbauer) writes:
>bovik@eecs.nwu.edu (James Salsman) writes:
>>I just heard that Popeye was pulled by the syndicate (!) because
>>they didn't think it was appropriate.
>I read something about this.
>

Actually, it's even worse than that: the author got fired for the story line.

>>At issue was Olyve Oyl (I've probably spelled the name of Popeye's
>>girlfriend wrong) who was tricking a priest into thinking that she
>>was having an abortion, when in fact she was not even pregnant.
>
>What I read (in Dutch) was that she got a baby (or just a doll ?) from
>Brutus the biggest enemy of Popeye. She *got* it, she never was pregnant.
>She gave it back to Brutus use a phrase like:
>
>           "If I didn't ask for it, I don't want to keep it"
>

Actually, Olive gets a baby in a basket and tells Popeye she has the right to
decide if she wants to keep it or not.  A priest overhears and thinks she's
talking about abortion.  From there, it turns into a pro-life propagand (for
lack of a better word; no need to flame).  King Features Syndicate didn't like
it and dropped the whole story and fired the author.  Seems it wasn't the
first time the big brass was at odds with him.

>This is supposed to be a motto of the pro-abortion movement in the USA.
>(remember I am translating a phrase from Dutch into English, while someone
> else has done the reverse before me, so the original English phrase could
> be much different).
>
>>Has anyone seen the strip in question?
>Unfortunately I didn't.


Seems it's only carried by about two dozen newspapers in the US.  If someone
avtually managed to see it, maybe (s)he could scan and post it.

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From: dylan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Comic Strips Faxed to Newspapers?
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:13:24 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Opening today's Philadelphia Inquirer I noticed something strange:

Several of the daily strips were kind of fuzzy, not as crisp and
clear as they usually are.  They look like they were faxed to
the Inquirer.  The distributors are King and Universal Press so 
it isn't just one distributor and there are several strips from
both that aren't faxed.  The faxed ones are

Hagar the Horrible
Sally Forth
For Better or for Worse
Hi & Lois
Horrorscope
Cathy
Peanuts
Beetle Bailey

I've never seen anything quite like this. Has anyone else seen it too?
Maybe the paper lost the strips somehow and the replacements were faxed.
I just hope that this isn't a trend, it looks terrible.

john d. murray
dylan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The literate Calvin and Hobbes (& mom)
Keywords: Saturday's C&H
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:30:32 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Jul22.134429.14786@rsg1.er.usgs.gov> ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder) writes:
>>>> [Discussion about Saturday's Calvin & Hobbes]
>
>Panel 4- [Calvin (with disgusted look on face) and mom on couch 
>         watching TV.]
>         Calvin: "Holy schlaMOLY, isn't there a cop show on where
>           they talk like real people?"
>         Mom:  "Shhh"

I didn't understand the "cop show" reference (but then again I don't watch
much TV these days).  Was there some significance to this?  Is there a
cop show these days where the characters talk like medieval knights?
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Popeye bites the dust
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:24:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: QueerNet

In article <Bs0wLI.1xK@world.std.com> guy@world.std.com (Guy K Hillyer) writes:
>Didn't Bobby London do "Dirty Duck" years ago in the Nat'l Lampoon?

Yes, he did.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes 7-15-92?
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:23:50 GMT

>sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:
>
>It is totally asinine for newspaper editors to censor comic strips.  It is
>tragic that such things happen in a country with a "free press." 

Free press means the government can't oppress the media.  Newspapers are
private industry and choose to print or choose to censor anything they
want.  If you don't like what they choose to print or not print,
don't support their decision by buying their product.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
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From: marx@remus.rutgers.edu (Mitchell Marx)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Comic Strips that acknowlege they're a comic strip...
Summary: Doonesbury too
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:13:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Doonesbury has done that many times.  The one that stands out is where
Trudeau has spilled ink all over the strips and the characters spend a week
getting it out.  The latest book "What Is It Tink, Is Pan In Trouble?"
contains a coup by the supporting characters and a character family tree.

I know there are lots more, but those are the ones that stick out.


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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Popeye bites the dust
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:09:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

I just saw that the artist who is drawing the current incarnation of Popeye
has been fired by his syndicate because he had Olive Oyl voice
an opinion on abortion rights.  Very few people are likely to care because
the strip was only carried by 20 newspapers, but I thought it was kind of
clever (especially a recent series on the evil effects of comic character
licensing).

Oh, well, not everybody can be Garry Trudeau...
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From: otto@gawain.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Subject: Re: Comic Strips that acknowlege they're a comic strip...
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.012245.26515@sco.COM> davidv@sco.COM (Uncle David) writes:
   one of the things i really really really like in comic strips is when
   they acknowledge they are simply that.

B.C. has done that countless times, one of the reasons I like it.
Sam's strip did it.  Robotman has done it on numerous occasions.
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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Comics controversies?
Keywords: popeye
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:25:17 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Jul24.162122.28160@cc.umontreal.ca> duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent) writes:
>>bovik@eecs.nwu.edu (James Salsman) writes:
>>>I just heard that Popeye was pulled by the syndicate (!) because
>>>they didn't think it was appropriate.
>>
> King Features Syndicate didn't like
>it and dropped the whole story and fired the author.  Seems it wasn't the
>first time the big brass was at odds with him.

I haven't seen the offending strip, but the first part of this story line
was in Strips last week.  The last previous story line was about product
licensing (all of the characters were turning into softheaded idiots when
they donned a certain type of "stupid little hat"), and it turned out that
the culprit responsible was the King of licensing...maybe the syndicate
didn't like this thinly-veiled slam at them and used the abortion thing
as an excuse to can the guy.

I thought the strip was crudely drawn, but funny in a sarcastic sort of way.
I can think of several others that I'd like to see vanish instead.