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From: xrandy@unixg.ubc.ca (Randy J. Thomson)
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Organization: UBC Pulmonary Research Lab., St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:52:56 GMT

In article <w46coB4w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
>circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
>with the help of Jamie.
>However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
>from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
>this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
>of his memory cells?
>
> Opinions? Theories? Anyone?
>
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee

Perhaps Doctor #5 did remember that Peri was going to travel with him, but 
didn't know the circumstances of her joining him on his tardis.  Since a
cardinal rule of time travel is don't change the past, perhaps he was
reluctant to give Peri any indication that he already knew her which might
change the way she would react in his immediate future and therefore his
past (ha ha).

RJT

--

- Randall J. Thomson            << rthomson@pulmonary.ubc.ca >>

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't be childish when you want to!"
From: kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Status of New Dr. Who Series
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:14:02 GMT
Organization: University of Denver
Originator: kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu

I haven't been keeping up with this newsgroup (sorry!) and would like
to know what the status is on the advent of the new Dr. Who series.
Is it on?  Not on?  Planned?  Not planned?

And if, by the gods, a new series is being planned, any notice on whether
Sylvester McCoy and Ace (don't know the actress) will be back?  I, for
one (and I think I am in the minority) _liked_ Syl and Ace--what a team!

Any info appreciated...

Kip
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From: jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com (Joseph Ogulin)
Subject: Re: Gold and Cybermen
Organization: The Rift from Here to There
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.143811.11862@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
|> xrandy@unixg.ubc.ca (Randy J. Thomson) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul18.130248.11746@aber.ac.uk> mhr@aber.ac.uk (Michael Richards) writes:  << Much deleted... >>
|> >>Theories: Well at a wild guess here goes, the Cybermen are not machines, there
|> >>is no point kidnapping people just to remove all the organic bits, and besides
|> >>you can see the chin of the person in the most recent design. So they will
|> >I completely  agree about the organic bits, but I think that the person's 
|> >chin that we say was a camera angle mistake.
|> I wouldn't be so sure of that.  I think the view of the chin may have
|> been a deliberate move to hint at the organic nature of the Cybermen.
|> (There is a nice article about the Cybermen in the most recent issue
|> of DWM which address this issue, among others.)

Cybermen cannot be built from mechanical parts.  Humans (or other humanoids)
are required as a base.  Go back and watch some of the older cyberstories.
(The Colin Baker story is the absolute confirmation.)

-- 
==> "You never f**king know the answer when it's important." --The Doctor <==
Joe Ogulin

jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com		joe@monroe.pilot.dmg.ml.com
jogulin@apollo.stevens-tech.edu		gcs_jogulin@stevens.bitnet

Disclaimer:  The above article is solely my opinion and does not necessar-
ily reflect that of my employer.  The content is my responsibility alone.
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Time Lord Recognition (***SPOILERS*** for "The War Games")
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:26:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.024453.16397@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan) writes:
>
>Just rewatched "The War Games" episodes 1-5 last night, and
>I have a teensy question.
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>seen stories, I think I'll put in a spoiler thingy.
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>How did the War Chief recognize the Doctor in the Alien Lecture
>Room? The War Chief had not seen the Doctor in this form (there
>is a line to that effect later on) but still knew Who he was.
>
>The Doctor also recognized the War Chief, but I believe that the
>WC was young enough to still be in his first incarnation, so the
>Doctor maybe would have seen him before.
>
>Do Time Lords have an inbuilt sense that tells them when another
>of their race is present? Something to do with artron energy or
>the double pulse?
>
>By the way, is this topic old enough that I'm allowed restart it?
>
>-- 
>Ace Quote O' The Week:
>	"You're just an aging hippie, Professor."
>(Sylvester McCoy was a hippie in the sixties)
>	From Doctor Who, "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."

Yes, they have an extra sense, a "touching of minds" referenced in 
"The Brain of Morbius" as the Doctor faints and senses Morbius' brain
down the hall.  I use this story for reference becasue in the same story,
the Doctor explains that Morbius could be hiding his mind signature
from the Sisterhood with a "barrier around his mind."  
Presumably, a Time Lord or Lady can place such a barrier around themselves
and thus prevent others from recognizing them (if they want to be in
disguise as the Master often did), but they have to be prepared for it.
Both the Doctor and the War Chief in "The War Games" certainly were not
ready for each other.
From: glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who
Keywords: Dr. WHO WILL BE UNCUT
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:49:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <2425@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.211816.1630@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>> 
>The Sci-Fi Channel's newsletter has stated that Dr. Who WILL BE UNCUT.  They
>are fitting in a one hour slot, with interviews and behind the scenes pieces
>before the show and convention reports and club information (?) after the
>show.  It will air M-F at 12 noon and at 1:00 AM.  I forget the weekend slot.
>
>Neil Marsh
>The Whoosier Network

Here begins the massive letter writing campain to put Doctor Who in
a time slot that people who have to go to work can actually watch!

Jerry Reno (employed... for now) glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: mrmuon@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:44:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.172107.11476@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu  
(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.195037.7582@wam.umd.edu>  
mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
 >  I am a quantum physicist. I do not rule out the possibility of time  
> >travel.
> 
> Big deal. Do you INVESTIGATE it? Not all fo quantum physics deals with  
time,
> and many areas hardly even brush it. Look, chaps, if you want the  
opinions of
> hundreds upon hundreds of scientiscs, I'll get 'em for you. And 99% of  
them
> say Time Travel is NOT possible. I would like to ask you all a  
question...
> 
> In 1900, I am 20. A build a Time Machine and travel back in time to  
1881. I
> kille me as an infant. Now, where the hell did the 1900 me come from?  
Huh?

   There are space-time structures, such as the Kerr metric for very high  
angular momentum, which are predicted by general relativity and which  
allow the existence of closed time-like curves. Those can be world lines  
of material objects (people) going back and meeting their own pasts; in  
other words, time travel. To the extent that general relativity describes  
things you could not kill yourself as an infant, you cold merely go back  
and form an inevitable part of your own past. However, general relativity  
is not yet complete; it has not yet been merged with quantum mechanics.  
From my current knowledge I think the truth of quantum mechanics is  
something similar to the "many worlds" view. With this taken into account  
it might actually be possible to go back and kill yourself as an infant;  
it would involve crossing over from one version of reality to another. I'm  
not saying this is likely, but it is not ruled out.
   There are also unanswered questions about the stability of these sorts  
of space-times. Even if time machines are possible, creating one would  
involve the precise manipulation of vast quantities mass-energy. This is  
eons beyond our engineering. The point is that physics has not ruled out  
the possibility of time travel.
   Now stop flaming people or someone might go back and kill you as an  
infant!  :)
From: EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: PHOTONOVELS and TITLE SEQUENCES
Date: 28 Jul 1992 08:40:58 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Sorry I can't quote past messages.......but...............

RE: PHOTONOVELS

I actually find them quite boring.  Certainly the ones done by DWB & DWM
reproduce the photographs far too small and the text alongside isn't in
"sync" with the photos next to it.  I found this very anoying in "The Power
Of The Daleks".

However, you can't deny the IMPORTANCE of publishing these, when they come
to light, as they are the closest thing to a record of the missing episodes
that exist, so for people researching the series I'd guess they're invaluble.

It's said that the guy who took these photos, John Cura, did it for ALL of
the sixties stories to sell to the actors within a story for publicity
purposes.  So I look forward to "Fury From The Deep" and "Evil Of The Daleks"
photonovels.....some hope......

RE: TITLE SEQUENCES

Yes, the first two (Hartnell & Troughton) are very easy to duplicate, except
for perhaps the logo and Troughton's face.  How did you cope with that ?

The initial Pertwee sequence too is fairly easy.  Just more feedback with
some coloured gel.....the face again though is the problem...

As for the Pertwee and Baker slit-scans....good luck!

IMHO the Pertwee slit-scan effect was the best sequence the programme ever
had, the Baker version had a funny concentric-ring effect spoiling it.

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|  Steve P                    (..)  |
|  eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk   ()   |
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From: xrandy@unixg.ubc.ca (Randy J. Thomson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Battlefield and other plot synopsis !SPOILERS*!
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:18:10 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho,theStormsOverAvallion
Organization: UBC Pulmonary Research Lab., St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Steven Manfred explained to us in an earlier posting that he didn't keep a
copy of the Spoilers which he posted for us.  I did keep a copy, and after
talking to Steven, I have agreed to provide copies of parts which you may
have missed.  If you missed some part(s), mail me and I will mail a copy
of that part back to you.  Although mailing through your mail program
to my news account will work (xrandy@pulmonary.ubc.ca) due to mail
forwarding, I would perfer if you mail to my main account:

      rthomson@pulmonary.ubc.ca

Cheers,
RJT


--

- Randall J. Thomson            << rthomson@pulmonary.ubc.ca >>

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't be childish when you want to!"
From: gu@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Ushaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Question on the Doctor's Future
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:07:09 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

It could just be that his contract has expired and the Beeb have to call
him a former Doc or renew his contract. Or something.
From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: For Jean Airey...
Keywords: Can't get through...still.
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:20:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

I can never seem to write addresses correctly.  I only got through to you
before because I was responding to your post!

Here's my response to your response...

>>>>

Ebunny, the black bunny you heard all about, died in the summer of 1990.  We
adopted a blue angora named Abigail two weeks later and the legacy lives on.
She's a princess with an attitude.

Take care and see you soon!

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1925 High Eagle Trail                   <* The Whoosier Network *>
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Time Loops
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:09:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.235003.29132@afterlife.ncsc.mil> glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno) writes:
>In the interests of getting back to Doctor Who and away from
>Christianity, I'm going to ask a Star Trek question.
>
>***Begin Asbestos
>
>I am asking this here because 1) I don't have the month needed
>to catch up on rec.arts.startrek.tech and 2) this is where the
>heavy-duty time-travel question answerers hang out.
>
>***End Asbestos
>
>I just saw the NexGen episode "Cause and Effect", wherein the
>Enterprise gets caught in a time-loop, at the end of which it
>explodes (hence starting the time-loop, etc). It brings up two
>questions:
>
>1) Where was the Big E's resident Time Lady, Guinan? Can the
>fact that she DIDN'T speak up be the final disproof of her
>origins?

Good question.  Whoopi Goldberg being in South Africa most of the year
is the only explanation I can give you.  Probably annoyed the writer
of this one.

>Actually, no one can really answer that until next season's
>premier.
>
>2) Right at the end of the loop, when they first try, and fail,
>to dump the warp core (I ddn't know starships could seg fault),
>Riker orders all crew to the escape pods, and then, seconds
>before the explosion, Picard orders all hands to abandon ship.
>Now: If we assume that some of the crew actually managed to
>eject, and managed to get out of the blast radius of an
>exploding warp drive (big assumptions, I know), what would
>happen to them? Would they dissappear back into the time loop?
>Or would they escape from the loop, repeatedly?

The pods, even id they cleared the hull, probably didn't have nearly
enough time to clear the blast radius, but if they did, then they
would probably get sucked back in with the rest of the loop,
I think.  Motion in space can do nothing to get one out of a time
loop, once the loop is formed.  If that were true, then stopping the
Time Rotor in "Meglos" could have worked then, but the Doctor said
it wouldn't.


>This hinges on the size of the loop, of course. Variables: The
>Enterprise spent seventeen days on the outside in the loop. The
>loop apparently covered one night's time (from the middle of the
>Tuesday poker game, with time for the resident redhead to get a
>night's sleep, and a staff meeting, presumably the next morning).
>There is no reference to the Enterprises speed during this, but
>views through the ports did not show stars moving, which
>special-effects-wise means they weren't in warp drive.
>
>Comments?
>
>Jerry Reno (Cmdr Steve C. Loser) glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil
>"Oh, blast! Here we go again..." "What's the matter?" "Well, now
>his probe circuits jammed." "Oh, that's easy, just waggle his tail!"
>"Oh, blast! Here we go again..." "What's the matter?" "Well, now
>his probe circuits jammed." "Oh, that's easy, just waggle his tail!"
>"Oh, blast! Here we go again..." "What's the matter?" "Well, now
>his probe circuits jammed." "Oh, that's easy, just waggle his tail!"
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Franks Brain?
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:18:50 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <12377@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
>
>Seriously though, I truly believe that Frank's arrival has been one
>of the more stimulating things to happen to this BB so far.
>

I'll agree with you Lawrence.  Good drama usually occurs when we have a good
villain to fight against.  :)
From: jneff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph D. Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Resurrection of the Daleks w/o sound effects?
Keywords: Resurrection Daleks
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:16:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I just saw Resurrection (for those like me who get confused about
R* of the Daleks, this was the Davison story) taped from Saturday's showing
on NJN.  I noticed a lack of sound effects for ray-guns, explosions, and
the TARDIS door.  Also, no incidental music.  Though it seemed rather
strange at the time, at least we got some insight into what the actors
really hear on the set.  Anyone know what happened to the distribution of
this story?
			--Joe
--
Joe Neff, aka jneff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
If God had meant for us to vote, He would have given us candidates! -J Leno
From: glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England, BBs on SNL
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:29:55 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

>And the Doctor never said that bumblebees couldn't fly.  He said that
>according to conventional aerodynamic theory they couldn't fly... BUT THEY
>DID ANYWAY.  They had to develop new theory to understand bumblebeehavior,
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to coin a word.

New theories to explain John Belushi's behavior?
From: twhjr@iasdvc.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:49:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Jul23.154949.7267
Reply-To: twhjr@iasdvc.honeywell.com ()
Organization: HONEYWELL_IAC


 
|> In article <1992Jul22.152014.7872@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
|> 
|> Look, you completely dense people...You cannot compare time travel
|> to the production of a television show. Face it. Nor can you compare
|> it to bumblebees. If you want me to have some Quantum Physicists 
|> send you crap loads upon crap loads of info on why going back in time
|> is impossible, I will have it for you. Just tell me your post address.

Greetings,

All I really want to know is "what does this have to do with 'PBs in England'"?

						Have Fun,
						  twhjr

P.S. Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
     mediocre minds..... Albert Einstein
From: nkp@ausom.oz.au (Nicholas Pyers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Help:  is anyone posting here any more
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:27:05 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Sorry to waste bandwidth - but my site used to receive rec.arts.drwho no
problems.  but for about a month now we have not received anything from this
group.  Our feed says it should be coming through but it isn't.  They
suggested I post and see if any can read this message and if so reply via
e-mail.

Try auto-reply, but as it has beening having a few problems, you may need to
e-mail me at nkp%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:04:35 GMT

>>  I am a quantum physicist. I do not rule out the possibility of time  
>>travel.
>
>Big deal. Do you INVESTIGATE it? Not all fo quantum physics deals with time,
>and many areas hardly even brush it. Look, chaps, if you want the opinions of
>hundreds upon hundreds of scientiscs, I'll get 'em for you. And 99% of them
>say Time Travel is NOT possible. I would like to ask you all a question...
>
>In 1900, I am 20. A build a Time Machine and travel back in time to 1881. I
>kille me as an infant. Now, where the hell did the 1900 me come from? Huh?
>

Dear Frank,
	 Would you care to tell me where your figure of 99% came from?
Please publish us your polling results, data, and techniques before you
make such a broad statement.
	As for your paradox, the simple solution is the 1900 you comes
from a now-parallel time-line.  By killing yourself in your past you
construct a new time-line where you don't exist.  In effect, your action
in 1881 passes you into another temporal universe.  (Sideways in time)
Now, you ask, how do I get back?  simple.  Travel back to where you
first arrived and kill or stop yourself from killing yourself.  If you
want to stay sane and not tie up the timelines into too big of a knot,
I would try not to use deadly force if I were you.
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Romana N Dave
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Was/is there a reason behind the Romana and Dave stories?  Did Dave ever
have one of the Romanas on his show?  Perhaps he was in love with one of
them?  Or did someone just need a stupid straight man for Romana?  Has Dave
ever even heard of the Doctor?

-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :
From: mdowning@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: New (Old?) Question
Organization: Clark University
Date: 30 JUL 92 17:17:44 GMT

Hello all -

        I have a question which may have been answered on this net sometime in the past, but I haven't been here very long and wouldn't know.

        In the "Masque of Mandragora", the Doctor knew Sarah Jane was not in control of herself when she asked him how she could understand the people in 15th(?) century Italy.  1st question (did I mention there are two questions?) -

What *exactly* clued the doctor in to her being controlled?  Was it just that she never asked such questions before, such as "How the hell do we understand peole on Exxilon, or Skaro etc?"

Second question - *HOW DO* the doctor & companions understand aliens, ancient Romans, and every other species of creature that does something other than give a big "ROAR"?

        Has the subject ever come up in other stories to anyone's knowledge?

Greatly appreciative of any comments, explanations, or other tidbits -

Sky.......................................

PS If any other series such as Trek has its own explanation, I'm interested in that as well.
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