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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Schumacher's starting position, possible spoilers
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:56:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCpuA.9sn
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:

>I have a question about the rules on this.  Schumacher made the parade lap with
>the rest of the field.  Shouldn't he have been allowed to take his starting 
>position on row 3 before the race started?

>Also, has anyone else noticed the incredible drives by Schumacher the last two 
>races.  In both races he has been down early in the race and been able to come 
>back into serious contention for the points.  I just wish they would leave the 
>in-car shots on longer.

>Thanks for any information.

>Deron Wood

	Alan F. Perry said that he should have been able to, but that the
track along the front straight was too narrow to drive his car between the
other cars already lined up.
	I have also been very impressed with Schu's performances in the last
two races!! He has been very impressive all season, but especially now. But
you would never think so if you listened to David Hobbs. He actually said 
that, although, Schu was beating Brundle regularly at the beginning of the 
year, Brundle has been much better of late. If Schu had not have been at the
rear of th efield at both races, he would have beaten Brundle! Oh well, Dave
is still one of the FUNNIEST dudes around. 

TOBY...
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: race car project: ITB Alfetta Sedan
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:46:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.181407.17301@stsci.edu> lallo@stsci.edu writes:
> but as for braking, I'd vote for the proportioning valve. In fact I'm going
>to call up Pegasus and see if they have something that I'll be able to put
>on my Fiat.  Those things are invaluable, especially for the wet.
>Wouldn't that be great if you rigged it to be cockpit-controllable?

as it happens, Pegasus has a seven position tilton which would serve this
purpose (this is the one i alluded to for $85.)  you need to reroute the
brake line to the rear down the top of the transmission tunnel, with
adjustable valve on top of the tunnel next to the shift lever.  if there
is a fixed proportioning valve already, it would probably have to come
out of the circuit.

>Bigger brakes aren't allowed in ITB, are they?

nope; you can add cooling ducts, change/reroute brake lines, use any
brake pad you wish, and add a proportioning valve.  you may not change
the master cylinder, the rotors, or the calipers from OE.

richard
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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda to Indy?
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:30:46 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Even though Honda's F1 engine program is now "officially" dead,
>I hear that the factory engineers who have been working the last
>several years in England are remaining there for the purpose of
>working with the engines to run on methanol.
>
>Now, name all the racing series that utilize methanol fuel, and
>I think you can deduce which direction Honda is going in racing.

McLaren have been looking at running at Indy for a few years now.
Their main problem was that they would never be able to contract 
a quick driver with experience of the brickyard for a single race.
Now that they've got Michael Andretti on the payroll, that isn't
such a problem.

So are we going to see Michael Andretti in a McLaren Honda after all ?
The Motoring News mentioned that McLaren might enter Indy in 1994. 

			
			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Re: Please Post Martinsville Results
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: NASCAR, Results
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.141221.22101@sarah.albany.edu>, rs3596@eve.albany.edu (Robert B. Scott) writes...
>Well the subject says it all.  I had to work all day yesterday, lastnight, and 
>again today. I haven't gotten a chance to buy a paper.  If someone could please
>post the results I would appreciate it.  Please include any info on how Mark 
>Martin faired.
> 
>Thanx in advance,
>Rob...

Rob,

Martinsville was rained out on Sunday.  The race was to be held today, 
weather permitting, and was to begin at 10 AM EST.  My wife agreed 
that NASCAR was more important that soap operas, so our VCR is set. :)

david mclellan
mclellan@mcc.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: denis@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Denis Schiozer)
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:42:21 GMT

In article <Bvnwpp.3s5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
>      This is an interesting thread. I would like to include more
>than just 5/3. For drivers, I think most would agree to the following
>as leading drivers:
>   1. Al Prost- the best. Senna isn't better, neither is Mansell. Period.
>   2. Ayrton Senna- what needs to be said about him. He clearly is
>		    stunning with a good car and motivation.
>   3. Nigel Mansell- if he can go 2 secs a lap faster than Patrese in
>		     in the same car, then he truly is fast.
>   4. Mike Schu- the hottest up-and-coming driver. The next Senna.
                                                    --------------

That one was funny. You say Prost is better but deep inside you know
Senna is better than Prost because you can Schumacher "the next Senna".

P.S. I'm not saying Senna is the best. I prefer his style comparing to
     Prost's and Mansell's but I don't think we can say one is better
     than the other. 
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: MIS, new home of the USGP?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:40:55 GMT

In article <16872A2DC.GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu> GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes) writes:
>I think MIS also has a version of the road course which runs
>only within the infield/speedway, like Charlotte, Daytona, and
>now Atlanta. I'm pretty sure this was the configuration IMSA
>used. Also at one time there was talk that MIS was going
>to get a NHRA National quality drag strip, though I don't
>think this ever went through.
> 
Coincidently, we talked a little on this subject with Parker Johnstone
last night, on the subject of Phoenix.  We all pretty much agreed that
perhaps IMSA could better itself by running more of these (like Greg
indicates - Charlotte, Daytona, now Atlanta, maybe Michigan along with
the new track I'm building up here in the Northwest :-)).  Much better
show for the fans to be able to see more of the overall race, rather
than watch them go by........here they come again..there they go......
here they come....etc. and you can't see what's happening on the other
side of the track.   Just some thoughts.

and road racing purists - don't shoot the messenger :-)

-cball-
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Date: 4 Oct 1992 15:44:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) says:

>Except that the Circuito Hermanos Rodriguez isn't on the F1 calendar any more!
>Grrr!

What has replaced it?  I think FISA was right not to them race there until
they resurface the track.  And they never should have reduced the Parabolica
banking.  
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: F1: Berger:Patrese
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 08:16:17 GMT

In <1992Oct3.082227.7552@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:

>In article <183750@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com
>(Dan Jones) writes:
>|> Leo Smiths writes:
>|> > Personally I think Berger intended to give Patrese a bit of a fright,
>|> > and maybe a flat spot and a bent wing, but it all went a lot further
>|> > than Berger ever intended. But we will never no. I base that on
>|> > Bergers history as a nice guy but given to pranks.
>|> 
>|> What total bullshit.  It seems to me that F1 and r.a.s. are going in
>|> the same direction of boring trash.

>I absolutely agree with Dan.

Count me in to.  This comment (above) is total crap.

Doigman.
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Keywords: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:09:02 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>I saw the end of an interview with Max Mosely on Sky News (european news
>channel) who was commenting on Nigel Mansells move to Indycar. He said
>that he couldn't see why Mansell would want to move to Indycar, as compared
>to F1 it is technically backward and ( I forget his exact words) and does not
>have such close racing as F1, it being more comparable to F3000 ( and therefore
>a step down from F1). He compared the move with a star football player moving
>from a premier league club to a third, or at very best, a second division
>club.
>
>He also said that Mansell would bring more to Indycar than Indycar would bring to Mansell and that, in his opinion, Mansells move to Indycar is a big mistake.
>
>Max Mosely has suddenly risen in my estimation  :-) :-).

I was disappointed to hear these comments from Mosley.  I'm sure most would not
be surprised to hear stuff like this from JMB or Bernie.  Is Max, Bernie's 
puppet?

Just because one series has higher technology than another doesn't mean that
it holds more status.  I would think that most drivers in F1 or CART would find
a Winston Cup championship more rewarding than an IMSA championship.

I agree with Mosley's statement that Mansell will bring more to Indycars than 
Indycars will bring to Mansell.  It obvious that Mansell going to Indycars is 
very good for the series, just look at the sudden interest on the net from the 
folks on the other sides of the ponds.  But just because a driver brings more
to a series than a series can bring to the driver, does this mean that it's a 
mistake on the drivers side?  I doubt it.  And how do you determine  *brings 
more* anyway?  At any rate, Mansell can continue to race in the second fastest 
open wheel series in the world, make some $US7M, have a much easier travel 
schedule and have less bullshit to deal with.   It makes sense to me.

Dan Jones
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 1992 01:45:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, koslowj@math.ksu.edu (Juergen Koslowski) says:

>1. Mansell
>2. Berger
>3. Senna
>4. Brundle
>5. Hakkinen
>6. Alboretto
>7. Schumacher
>
>Patrese had a nasty accident when running into Berger's back as Berger
>turned into the pits, around lap 40. But fortuantely Patrese walked away

Did Berger get affected?
What happened to Alesi?
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1:  Schumacher in F3000 ?
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:51:00 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

Did Michael Schumacher ever drive in F3000 ?

If he didn't, it means that no one who has won in F1 has driven
in F3000.  I saw Schumacher race a couple of times in the 1989
German F3 series, but I never really followed his career until
he drove in the SWC Mercedes junior team.


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren to use BMW V-10
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:02:02 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

>norm goldberg writes:

>>    As well, Carl Haas was asked if he had a replacement for Micheal A.
>>Yet and he responded by saying the deal is done it just needs to be put on
>>paper.When asked who it was,he said ....." He ain't from this part of the
>>world.." When the reporteer asked hime if he was from F1, Carl said
>>...."you can call him a rookie,but he ain't no rookie.." Followed by a big
>>smile and a bite on his cigar.

>Warwick or Brundle?  No, not Senna!  Keke.

None of them: I think that Nigel Mansell is the man, after retiring from
              F1 after the 92 season
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From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren and Renault
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:03:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Sorry, the deal was complete speculation.  No announcement
has been made to my knowledge.

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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: FYI - WC Points
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:11:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: zia.1992Sep29.191119.15731
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

Winston Cup Point Standings for top 15 positions as of 29-sep-1992
 ( Albuquerque Journal )

1.	Bill Elliott (11)		Ford	3490
2.	Davey Allison (28)		Ford	3378
3.	Alan Kulwicki (7)		Ford	3299
4.	Harry Gant (33)			Olds	3284
5. 	Mark Martin (6)			Ford	3207

6.	Kyle Petty (42)			Pont	3194
7.	Ricky Rudd (5)			Chev	3135
8.	Darrell Waltrip (17)		Chev 	3099
9.	Morgan Shepherd (21)		Ford	3010 
10.	Rusty Wallace (2)		Pont	3000

11.	Terry Labonte (94)		Chev	2992
12.	Dale Earnhardt (3)		Chev	2981
13.	Ernie Irvan (4)			Chev	2958
14.	Brett Bodine (26)		Ford	2945
15.	Ken Schrader (25)	 		2887

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Subject: Anybody got the bay area autoX schedule?
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:31:38 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

Anybody know of any autox events in the next few months or weeks in the
east bay area or general bay area?

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From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Alan Jones (was Re: More Rumours from Portugal ...)
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:28:58 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <thos.717633232@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>
>After the GP telecast is finished, the local commentators at Channel 9
>in Australia give tidbits of gossip that they pick up. As one of them
>is Alan Jones ('80 WC in a Williams-Ford) they can often have some inside
>dope.
>

Can you tell us more about Alan Jones and/or the things he's said?  We don't
hear anything about him here in the U.S. since he left F1.  I recall him
making a brief effort to come back to F1 out of retirement some time ago,
but he seemed to quickly vanish again.  Anyone recall what happened?  Any
news about his current activities?

Dave Wilson
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Denney Hulme
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:17:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5375
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Another sad day in motor racing:

I heard on BBC World Service that Denney Hulme died in a racing
accident during the Bathurst 1000.  The news was that he may have
suffered a massive heart attack.

He'll be missed.  I have vivid memories of Hulme and McLaren storming
around Laguna Seca in those orange McLarens back in the Grp 7 days...

Jim
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:28:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Portugal
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


In article <1aqem1INNi2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I was just doing my work when suddenly this thought popped into my mind:
|> In 1992 at the Portugal Grand Prix, Mansell has perfect pit stop, the
|> crew does their job and gets him out with no problems.
|> Then Patrese pits and something goes wrong on his left rear.
|> I'm not accusing anyone, but I wonder if a Williams member purposely
|> disabled the air jack?  The air jacks worked fine for Mansell.

	Don't be silly !!

	There have been a lot of these sort of posts lately.

	No team would purposefully cause one or any of it's ,drivers to
	lose. They're all out there to WIN.

	What's WRONG with you people ?


	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What is indy car about....
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:46:11 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello) writes:

> So why not run a spec fuel? M85 could be used, as it's readily
> available. Since everyone buys their fuel from one supplier now, I
> don't see how this would affect *relative* performance. Sponsorship
> shouldn't be an issue (as it is in F1). 

The writers in this thread have assumed that Indy fuel choice resembles
that in other kinds of racing.  At the Indianapolis Motor Speedway
there are some traditional looking fuel pumps in the garage area. 
Before race day, everyone takes their cars to the pumps to add fuel and
everyone uses the same fuel.

For a race, there is a Valvoline tank truck that goes up and down pit
lane and fills the tanks that the teams use to add fuel to the car
during the race.

The point is, everyone uses fuel out of the same bottle.  It is not
just a spec fuel, it is the same fuel.

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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Portugal and Schumacher (SPOILER!!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Does anyone have the OFFICIAL results of the Portuguese G.P.????
I saw on ESPN and from people on r.a.s that Alboreto was 6th and Schu was
7th, but on the last lap, a Benetton passed Alboreto, and almost caught up   
to Mansell. Brundle was only a few seconds behind Senna, who finished quite
a long way behind Mansell on the track. So, as I saw it, it looked like
Schumacher finished in 6th. IF someone knows better (like that Benetton was
Brundle, or Schu was a lap down to Albo) I would appreciate it very much...


Thanks,
TOBY...
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Patrese's Accident and Commentators' Comments
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:20:27 GMT

From article <1992Sep29.142912.20582@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, by marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti):
> |> Nothing I read here in the SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS thread had
> |> prepared me for actually seeing the crash last night (when ESPN finally got
> |> around to showing it). I've always felt that under pressure Berger has
> |> a tendency to lose his head and do something wildly irresponsible
> |> (Monaco a few years ago, for instance), but this was unprecedented. A
> |> multi-race suspension would not be inappropriate...
> 
> In a phone interview on Austrian TV Monday night, Berger claimed that
> Patrese agreed that there wasn't much that Berger could have done to
> avoid the incident after seeing the tapes.
> 
> |> Hobbs and Varsha were both scathing about Berger's action. How did
> |> the other commentators characterise it?
> 
> Lauda called it a "racing accident" on Austrian TV, one of those things
> that can happen in F1.
> 
On the BBC satellite live feed, James made some interesting comments during
the third set of interviews, by which point the James & Murray show was over.
Murray to James:  "That was a nice job of back-pedalling you made there after
    what you said about Patrese's observation of the incident" (not verbatim)

James to Murray:  "Well word got back third-hand that it had displeased some
    people, but really, he must have been asleep or something.  I still simply
    cannot believe he thought that.  He had to have been asleep." (fairly close)

At this point Jonathan Palmer said something barely audible and unintelligible.

James to whomever:  "Yes, but Riccardo simply wasn't paying attention.  It's
    clear that Berger was making a straight line from the corner across to
    the pit entrance, but he just followed him all the way and drove into 
    the back of him."


NOTE:  These quotes are all strictly from memory, heard while getting dressed,
       and should not be taken as verbatim statements.  Oh, how I wish I'd 
       had a tape Sunday morning...




Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:33:48 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <1992Sep29.215625.4101@igor.tamri.com> salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) writes:
>Instead [Berger] went through the pit lane and back on to the race track, 
>[perhaps the McLaren boys weren't ready for him]
>I find this last statment a bit hard to believe.  If Berger was trying to pit,
>the McLaren pit crew would have definetly known and would have been ready.

Perhaps Berger was rattled and overshot his pit, so he had to go
around again. Under the circumstances, I'd be quite willing to 
believe this. Also, radios have been known to fail in F1 cars. 
The pit crew may not have known of Berger's intention. 
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