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From: Ronald.Bollschweiler@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ronald Bollschweiler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Best Relationships/Characters/Episodes
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:28:06 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I would like to join those who have noted that the Joel/Maggie relationship
is the least interesting part of the show.  This type of *sexual tension* 
relationship is overdone in Television.(Cheers, Moonlighting etc.)  Some 
of the relationships that I prefer are Joel/Ed , Ruth Ann/Ed, Shelly/Holling,
and Joel/Adam.

If Joel and Maggie do it, then Joel would have to eat a sattlite or something.  
(This would solve any contract disputes with Rob Morrow)  Maurice would need
to purchase another Doctor and the show would go on.  Although I like Joel,
I would not stop watching the show if he leaves.  He will be leaving
after his time is up anyway.  Without Joel the show would probably not
have been a hit.  But now that we have been introduced to the residents
of Cicely AK, they can hold up the show on thier own.  

My favorite character is Ed.  Others favorites include Chris, Marilin,
and Holling.  I have no specific favorite episodes but the best plots
are Ed searching for his parents, Marilin's relationship with the flying
man, The entire Christmas show, Maurice and Holling taking their friend
into the wilderness, and Joel becoming an member of the tribe.  


Ronald Bollschweiler				bolls@math.arizona.edu 




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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:59:54 GMT

In article <treilly.716244836@vincent2.iastate.edu> treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly) writes:
>In regards to questions about what happens to the series after Joel's
>four year commitment runs out:
>
>     Let us not forget that Hawkeye, Hot-Lips, Klinger, et al served in
>the Korean war, which had an analog time of two years.  However the series
> M*A*S*H was on the air for ten seaons.  

Yep, marching steadily downhill after the first few. Would that Falsey-
Brand have the guts to say "well, he's been here 4 years, and now he
goes home" after Joel suffered his 4 winters. From looking at the
digest, it seems that the first (summer) set of shows wasn't
terribly seasonal, but since then they have done "Spring Break" and 
"Wake-up Call", so that's two winters down for Dr. Joel. If they want
to have it both ways, honorably killing the show after Joel's four
years, but still getting to the 100-show syndication level, they'd
better slow time a little.  

After killing N-EX, they could do 
a new show with Joel or any of the characters in a new setting,
a la Lou Grant's move to LA after Mary Tyler Moore went off the air.

Nah, it'll never happen. Money talks too loud; our only hope is that
the ratings dive before the quality does.

Ken B.
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 8 Sep 1992 21:04:21 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
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>I watch the show as much
>to see if Maggie and Joell are going to "do it" as much as for any other
>reason.

Urk...  Reminds me of moonlighting when all anyone cared about was
"when will they do it".  No one even gave a damn about them actually
falling in love first, or any of those annoying things.

What gives?  If this is supposed to be such a modern show, why
would you want them to resort to this?  If they do "do it", I
would hope that there are a lot of episodes afterwords where the
consequences show up.
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From: earp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James K Earp)
Subject: Re: replies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:57:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.235417.2456@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Maggie come to mind.) However, I think that even hoping that Adam and Eve's
>offspring will appear on the show, is a mistake. The sad fact, friends, is
>that unwashed, surly, juvenile hypochondriacs are a. all too common and
>b. just not funny. Having been a camp counelor, I _know_ what I'm talking
>about.
>			Rosaleen Dhu

Here's a "whatif" for you, Rosaleen.  What if Adam and Eve's child is
the complete opposite of his parents.  Their consternation at the
child's (don't know if I'd prefer a boy or girl here) developing
personality could be hilarious!

Tah!
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:23:17 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <18mdkmINNai2@network.ucsd.edu>, djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu 
(Darin Johnson) writes:

> TV today is obsessed with sex.  
Hey, people are obsessed with sex.  It's a biological urge.  We are a product
of evolution.  It's *natural*.  I think they handled things in a responsible
way.  "We are both consenting adults, single, HIV negative"  Or something like
that.  I was proud of Maggie.  (Even if she did go psycho the next episode)

> And if they *must*, why not just have the lights go out while
> they're kissing, and the perverts can imagine them sleeping
> together, and other people can imagine them being honorable.
HUH???  How is sex under the above conditions only for perverts? 
Please define your terms...  I agree they don't need to show it.  (ala LA Law)
But if you think Joel and Maggie have never had sex out of wedlock (with other
people) you've been watching the wrong show.

> Perhaps I'm the only liberal in the world with conservative
> views on sex though...
I certainly doubt that.

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From: jason@jazz.cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:18:58 GMT
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In article <1992Sep11.212228.8408@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cad0410@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Cecelia A. Dorn) writes:

   Re fave shows: I just don't get the "fling" thing at all.  What's the 
   attraction?  "It's not what you fling, the flings the thing"?  HUH?   
   I just didn't get any feeling while watching the piano soar; no awe, 
   no wonder, no excitement.  It just went up and came down.  Hmmm,
   disappointment would sum up what I felt the best I guess.

Whooo! For me, it was the anticipation of the *sound* it would make when it
hit the ground; the juxtaposition of the hard-core earth-bound (you ever
help lift a piano?) with soaring flight; the exultation on Chris' face when
that sucker *flew*; the rush of creative energy when he found the piano, the
melted men from Maggie's shrine; and more.

The other episodes you mentioned contained as much, if not more; but nothing
has yet duplicated the delicious thrill of that *sound* !

Jazz

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From: ljohanne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leila J Johannesen)
Subject: changing the world
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:57:47 GMT



In article <1992Sep15.124255.1793@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.
com (Scott Walker) writes:
>I'm sure no one has missed this, but don't you get the strong feeling after
>the last few well-done minutes of "Cicely", that Joel may not be so longing
>to leave the town anymore?  And something else which I would like to hear
>the net.opinion on...
>    At the end, when Joel is sitting in the Brick hearing the sounds of
>that far away year, his last thought is what Ned said, something like
>"One person can make a difference, but two people..., well two people can
>change the world".  Who are the two people?  I could understand if Ned
>had said that "One person could change the world"; it would be easy to see
>that person as being Joel.  But Ned specifies 2 people.  Is he speaking
>figuratively here?  Like he meant that any more than one can change the
>world, meaning everyone in Cicely?  I couldn't help but think that there is
>more to that than it seems, and being the last image from this season makes
>it even more significant.
>******************************************************
>Scott C. Walker


I got shivers during that little scene. The stuff about two people 
changing the world is wonderful; the way I interpreted it:
one person ``can have a profound effect on another ''(I think was 
the quote), but two people together achieve a transcendance that can 
change the world through the sharing of minds, through their 
inspired creativity, and most of all through their love.

I remember a similar sense of the magical nature of `the two' at the
end of Bergman's Seventh Seal; death grabs the people who are alone,
but it passes over the family. Figuratively, what it means is that
their love is a trancendence of death. (In addition the physical creativity
that stems from man and woman is a trancendance, though this last item is not
emphasized in the NE episode.)

While I'm babbling, I wanted to express my opinion that it bugs me
a little bit that film or tv doesn't highlight `tough, independent women'
often unless they're lesbians. I like the NE as is, but I lament
what appears to me a general problem in the entertainment media, and
our society that straight women are often not cast in roles of
`rugged, individualistic achievers' and `heroes.'

L
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: It on during football
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:24:47 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu

>|>    > 	That's Texan, not Kreton.    :-) 
>|>    That's creton not Kreton.
>|> That's cretin, not creton.
>That's cretine, not cretin.

Huh?  Did I miss the episode about croutons?
-- 
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From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
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Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:30:04 GMT
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.124014.3916@infonode.ingr.com>, stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:
|>                                                                   Maybe
|> Adam and Eve will provide this to some extent (what a parental couple!!!).
|> What do you think?

Well, Eve is pregnant(sp?) isn't she?  That's why Adam insisted upon getting
married.  What do you think they'll name the kid?  (Cain or Abel? ;-)
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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:05:46 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
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>	However, I have to agree (with Alexandria) that I had 
>   a hard time believing that _Chris_ was going to fling the 
>   cow, since he seems to be the most PC fellow in town. 

I think this was a key point also.  Cicely is not in California.
Massachusetts, etc.  To assume that all socially or politically
"advanced" people must agree with each other on everything is absurd.
The people of Cicely don't get their values from the mass media, so
you can't expect them to be homogenous with everyone else.

It is also perfectly possible for the ultimate left-wing bleeding
heart liberal up there to own several guns, go hunting every weekend,
eat whale, and not realize anything was wrong...  Of course, for all
we know, Maurice could be democrat and Chris republican...
(I missed the election episode though)
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From: ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon)
Subject: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:22:38 GMT
Distribution: usa

Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
of a particular character or set of characters?

Curious,

Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)
From: wdao@aludra.usc.edu (Walter Dao)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Best and Worst episode
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:53:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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My Favorite Episode : The one with Rosalyn and Cicely.
It got me GLUED to the TV. I said WOW at the end. It hit that little tender 
center deep inside me. 
(by the way, was the woman who played Rosalyn in Blade Runner as the Snake 
dancer ?) 

The Least enjoyable episode : The one where Joel gets kidnapped by that 
lost in the wilderness couple (that sick in her mind woman and that master 
chief). 
The story bugs the hell out of me . (there is that "HAAAOoooo cooommeee on !")


Enjoyable Scene :
I dont remember from what episode (maybe the one where the radio guy is
planning a trip to Africa and his twin bro is in the show). 
The scene is inside the restaurant (taken over by the wild master chief) and 
he starts describing the perfect way to visit culinary africa and which book
to pick and what city is to be avoided. (there is something like "the art of 
cooking manioc !") 

Another one is from another episode : It is the scene with the coffin for that
guy who got a satellite fused to his body . 

						Walt
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From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: "Cicely" and the Future
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:42:55 GMT

I'm sure no one has missed this, but don't you get the strong feeling after
the last few well-done minutes of "Cicely", that Joel may not be so longing
to leave the town anymore?  And something else which I would like to hear
the net.opinion on...  
    At the end, when Joel is sitting in the Brick hearing the sounds of 
that far away year, his last thought is what Ned said, something like
"One person can make a difference, but two people..., well two people can
change the world".  Who are the two people?  I could understand if Ned
had said that "One person could change the world"; it would be easy to see
that person as being Joel.  But Ned specifies 2 people.  Is he speaking
figuratively here?  Like he meant that any more than one can change the 
world, meaning everyone in Cicely?  I couldn't help but think that there is
more to that than it seems, and being the last image from this season makes
it even more significant.
     What a teriffic episode.  Was it by chance nominated for a costume Emmy?

I, for one, would save the cat, since OJ and Socks would kill me if I said
otherwise!  :-)

******************************************************
Scott C. Walker
walkersc@esvax.dnet.dupont.com

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from Groucho Marx.
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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Where are the children?? (And who needs 'em! :-)
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:40:58 GMT

There was a show where Ed did a movie of the town. At the end of the show, Ed 
showed the movie. I'm sure there were scenes in that movie that had kids in 
them. Many if I remember correctly. So there are kids, we justs aren't in 
those parts of the town were you would get a chance to see them (I guess).
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Subplots, subplots...
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:54:52 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <7m+vHlc*i9@atlantis.psu.edu>, cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer) writes:

> I guess
> I didn't like the way they had 3 unrelated topics at the same time...it can
> work and work well sometimes...just last night...it didn't. 

Practically *every* series show now has a bunch of unrelated subplots.
It seems like the writers want to make sure, if one of the threads
doesn't grab you, one of the others will.  I kind of bugs me, that
they can't write one whole plot anymore...

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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: I had a dream...
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:45:19 GMT
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In article <1992Sep7.131149.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> perry@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>	I had a dream once.  I was in Cicely, Al.  I had
>driven there in my car ('77 ToyotaLandCruiser), which had
>preceded to have problems.  I had to spend the afternoon in
>the town, where I had found out Ed had died.  Everyone including
>me were very sad.  Also, John Anderson (the original Gomez Adams
                               --------
>in the t.v. show, Adams Family)'s 
>
	Um, don't you mean John Astin?  Also, Alaska is abbreviated 'AK.'

				- Derek
	

Derek Toten
From: cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer)
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Subject: Stepping out of character episode....
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:52:22 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I just thought i'd add my two-cents concerning the re-run last night...

I had never seen that episode before....I just started watching NX religiously
last semester...this was my first impression: I thought it was a very poor
example of NX. Granted, it was great for TV in general, but it didn't have
the amazing quality that most episodes have. I liked the Maurice/Russian 
conflict...both characters worked together well...but the little thing with
Ed and "Lightfeather" or whoever just didn't seem to fit. And Holling's
sleep problem was interesting...but they didn't do much with it....I guess
I didn't like the way they had 3 unrelated topics at the same time...it can
work and work well sometimes...just last night...it didn't. 

I didn't so much mind the stepping out of character part...it was better than
anything else they could have done with it...and it broke up the monotony
of an otherwise mediocere episode. I can't wait for the new season...

p.s. Does anyone know if they're gonna put NX into syndication anytime soon?
     It seems like it would be a decent addition to _Lifetime_'s collection
     of off-beat stuff...

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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: very little
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 06:20:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.012238.15277@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?
>


The writing is great, with a lot of zany twists that operate on
several levels.  They are always coming up with something completely
unexpected, like the story about Jean Paul Sarte having supposedly
lived in Cicely, or the one where Maurice and the Russian are about
to have a duel, and everyone starts stepping out of character and
analyzing the plot.

I love all of the great character actors.  Its really the only
TV show I watch.  My mom was bugging me for a long time to watch
it, and finally gave me a tape of several episodes.  I watched
them, and now I am hooked.


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From: kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Ken Cox)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.185233.28695@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.150917.5895@wuecl.wustl.edu>
	kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Ken Cox) writes:

>>2)  They BOTH fire into the air at "ten".  This would not really be in
>>    character for Maurice, of course.

>Yes.  Even though you would think Maurice would shoot the Russian, his
>character says he won't.

Oh, I quite agree that he wouldn't shoot the fellow -- what I meant
was that I don't see Maurice, in a duel with a man whom he doesn't
really trust (both personally and politically), disarming himself.
I'm sure he would turn, quite _ready_ to fire, but wouldn't if he
saw that the other man was not going to fire on him.

Ken Cox
kcc@wucs1.wustl.edu
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