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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:20:51 GMT

Well I have to admit that you are right in a way. Also as evil as Lore is he
did have a point when he said Data should have been much higher rank than he
is. If Data had been a Human that had accomplished as much and was as capable
as much he'd have been an Admiral LONG ago. Dumb Geordi gets a promotion a
year for his first three years on the Enterprise and Data works his ass off and
even in the show's 6th Season he is till a Lt. Commander. He is long over due
for his Commander promotion.

I think the crew, including Picard, do like Data, but don't give him the breaks
he deserves because he appears on the face of it to have no ambitions. I think
he's even stated as much directly on occasion. I don't believe it for a minute.
Why would Data have wanted to be Captain of that one ship during that crisis
if he had no ambition? He may not be the kind of guy that busts into the
bosses office to get a raise once a year, but that doesn't mean he isn't
due for one!
From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Times Arrow II - The WATCH!
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:04:05 GMT
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.

Okay, here's how it works...

	1. Present Day (24th Century) - A watch is found by someone 
	   excavating a cave and Geordi takes the watch (along with
	   Data's head) up to the Enterprise.

	2. They determine what planet to go to, get there and get
	   transported back to the 19th century BEFORE there's
	   *ANYTHING* in the cave.

	3. They all make it to the cave, including Clemens, an
	   explosion occurs, Data loses his head & Clemens loses
	   his watch.

	4. Clemens jumps into the 24th century and is beamed up
	   to the Enterprise.

	5. Clemens sees Geordi working on Data's head *AND* sees
	   his watch, winds it a bit *AND STICKS IT IN HIS POCKET*

	6. Clemens eventually returns to the 19th century and the
	   cave, makes sure Guinan is okay, picks up the watch
	   *THAT HE DROPPED DURING THE EXPLOSION*, and starts to
	   put it into his pocket.

	7. *NOW* IMHO...he feels the 500 year old watch that he
	   got from the Enterprise in his pocket, and places the
	   (original) watch *in his hand* back on the ground.

So, when Clemens first entered the cave his watch was only a year or
so old.  BUT...when he finally leaves the cave with Guinan on the
stretcher he has a 500+ year old watch with him for the rest of his
life.  The watch doesn't keep on *looping* through time.  If this were
true then Data's head would also have been *looping* through time.

What I would like to know is how did the watch stay in such a
wonderful condition after lying in a cave for 500 years.

Ron
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Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Time's Arrow, Part II"
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:38:28 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep28.172727.9285@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes:
> Tim Lynch writes:
> 
> [lots of stuff deleted]
> 
>>Here's another, for instance:  Why, *why*, did the away team not try to 
>>simply find Data via communicator?  We're given the clear impression from the 
>>hospital scene that they work; why not try it?  If in fact Data *had* lost 
>>the communicator in last show's poker game, then we'd be the wiser for it, 
>>and the show would look very bright for having thought of *and blocked* that 
>>easy way out.  Instead, it looks like they forgot.  Sigh.
> 
> Data sold his communicator for $3.00 to the poker player in order
> to have money to play, remember?  It is odd that the crew didn't try
> to contact him via communicator anyways. Unless they did try while they
> were getting their clothing.(How they did that, I don't know)

     I would have suspected that he would've won back the watch, along
with all the money, that hat, and that vest he was wearing. 

     I think the technical manual has a good explaination about the
limited range of the communicators, and the fact that they require the
Enterprise to boost the signals so they can communicate on the surface.

Later.......

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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II *SPOILERS*
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:23:15 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Sep21.221539.5342@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>*SPOILERS* for Time's Arrow Part II

>
>I'm still trying to figure out how Geordi made Data's 500-year-old head work
>so well, considering that it had a 12% degradation in the metal...
>
>How Mark Twain could see the Enterprise and not ever write it down somewhere
>in his memoirs...
>
>Or how these aliens came to depend ENTIRELY on human neural energy...
>
Yes, and how the Away Team got their 19th Century clothing so fast (did
they jump into a store, by chance?

>But, hey, that's literary license, no?
>
No.

-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon home world's name revealed!
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:54:06 GMT
 <1992Sep23.152022.29141@bnlux1.bnl.gov> <92268.200645IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
 <1992Sep28.150840.6453@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Sep28.150840.6453@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary
l. schroeder) says:
>
>>Hmmm. KLINGon people.  "traitors of KLING."  Sounds like the homeworld
>>to me. :)
>
>If an Islamic warrior said to a fellow warrior : "You and all of your
>kind are traitors to Allah" or "Islam", would you assume that they were
>from the planet Allah?  [we're assuming, of course, that you're an
>extraplanetery observer.]

Assuming I didn't know the name of the planet, at worst probably.  Otherwise
I'd question them as to what they were referring.


>Actually, no writer that I know of ever claimed that "Kling" referred to
>a leader or a god, I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to show

I recall a thread a few months ago where this was brought up and someone
mentioned that a writer had said it was, I think, an old warrior leader.


>that while the above sentence is highly suggestive of the idea that the
>Homeowrld is called Kling, it is by no means proof positive; something
>that everyone around here seesm to demand before accepting anything as
>canonical.

In "The Trouble with Tribbles" the second in command stated that the
rest of the galaxy was learning Klingonese.  Since the Vulcan language
is called, interestingly enough, Vulcan, I think this strengthens my
position that Klingon is the homeworld.

___

  Nicholas  Hester                  "I'm a virgin...I'm just not good at it."
ia80024@Maine.bitnet                                 -Ramada, "Hot Shots!"
ia80024@Maine.maine.edu
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Oh my *GOD* .... is it.... *CONTINUITY*?!?!?!?! (Spoilers)
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:13:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep29.181359.3243
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <29SEP199213162212@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>
afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:

>Here's one for those who haven't seen Time's Arrow II ...
>
>Ok, here's another one for those who haven't seen Booby Trap ...
>
>Ok, here's one more for all the people who agree with Rawdon ... oh, wait a 
>minute... that one would be wasted. :-)
>
>OK, so here it is. I'm watching the Sunday night TNG re-runs and up pops 
>Booby Trap ... I just finished watching the tape of TA II (Sorry, I 
>*worked* Sat. night... sue me ! :-)) and a line in Booby Trap struck me as 
>incredibly well threaded to TA II. 
>
>Geordie asks Guinan what she looks at first in a man ... she replies "His 
>head."... Geordi thinks she means his *brain* ... Guinan goes on to explain 
>that she's attracted to bald men ... Geordi asks why... Guinan says ...
>
>{Paraphrase Alert}
>
>"A long time ago, a bald man was kind to me when I was hurt" or words to 
>that effect. 
>
>Ah-HEM ! Need I continue ? 
>
>*Was* this continuity or a lucky happenstance for the writers ? You be the 
>judge ! (Also, this *has* to mean that Guinan *knew* about Data's head and 
>the problems that were about to unfold. Boy, that woman sure can keep a 
>secret !)
>
>
>-- Stephen
>
>	"Some people live their dreams, some people close their eyes.
>	 Some people's destiny... passes by"
>
>					"I'll Be Over You"   -- Toto



Ack!! Call the cannon cops!! It....it....it...is....*CONTINUNITY* !! This
is Star Trek -- That just is not supposed to happen!! :)

Dave
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.163411.1227@ncsu.edu> rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes:
>
>
>|> Tim> (Another had to be Geordi's crack about Reg looking pale,
>|> Tim> however.  Er...Geordi, pardon me for asking, but isn't it a *wee*
>|> Tim> bit difficult for you to tell?)
>|> 
>|> This happens so much with Geordi that I've come to suspect that they
>|> are doing it on purpose.  Geordi is always saying "I see." or "See you
>|> later." or "It looks like..." or else someone is saying these things
>|> to him.  I know that's just standard usage, so much so that we usually
>|> don't notice it, but since I noticed it the first few times it seems
>|> like it happens a lot.
>|> 

>
>Remember the episode where Data was on trial to determine if
>he was a life force.  A conversation between Data and Picard
>revealed that Geordi's vision is highly superior to a normal
>human's vision.  I would then assume that he could tell if
>someone is pale just as he can differentiate between the colors
>on them damn computer control panels.  :-]  
>
>Rob 

And he might not have to see paleness in terms of colour -- he might just
see a lack of blood flow or a lack of heat or something, and call it "pale".

Firestar


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From: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu (Gerald George Marfoe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Keywords: Brinksmanship
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:19:13 GMT
Reply-To: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article 9035@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com, sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com () writes:
> Does anyone know what Picard says at the end of the episode (I think "The
> Enemy") where Geordie and a Romulan are stranded on a planet and learn to
> help each other barely making it back to the Enterprise at the end when the
> big E and a Romulan warbird are about to blast each other.  It is something
> like "______manship is a dangerous game."  We have rewatched it several times
> and cannot figure it out.  Thanks
> 
> Ted			Sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com


"Brinksmanship is a dangerous game" - Brinksmanship is a term that evolved 
during the Cold War. Basically, each adversary keeps building its forces to 
deter the other and constantly challenges its opponent's moves to test its 
strength and nerve. Thus, each side brings the other closer to the brink of 
war. It's been a while since I had a political science course (the term is
frequently seen in national security and military history courses), so if 
any one else can offer a better definition of brinksmanship, feel free to 
add your thoughts.
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From: tri@niksula.hut.fi (Timo Rinne)
Subject: Question about TNG Vidiot's Guide
Reply-To: Timo.Rinne@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:28:07

Is version 5.09 of the Program Guide final version considering the
fifth season and is there anywhere available troff source code of this
version? In ftp.coe.montana.edu there is troff code for version 5.08
and patches for 5.09, but since diffs seems to be more about 1.4M, I'd
like to have complete set of sources.

Thanks,
//tri
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: star trek TNG censorship: I.R.A. victory
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 19:16:34 EDT

In article <1992Oct6.171326.10146@bsu-ucs.uucp>
00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
 
>
>In article <DEMILLO.92Oct6162905@egeus.juliet.ll.mit.edu>, demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes:
>> In article <pmcgttgn.718377094@unix1.tcd.ie> pmcgttgn@unix1.tcd.ie (Paul Mc Gettigan ) writes:
>>
>>
>>> Do any of you trekkies out there know the title of the episode in ST/new generation in which
>>> a reference is made to a 'fictional' victory of the IRA (Irish Republican Army) over the
>>> British forces sometime in the 21st century.
>
>yeah it was an episode dealing with terrorism.  Bev gets kidnapped to help
>care for injured terrorists and one thing leads to another.  In it Data
>refers to how force has been shown to be effective to bring about political
>change, as seen in the Irish Unification of 2017 (Note this is from memory,
>some of it may be wrong, like the date)
>
   The name of the episode is "The High Ground" from the third season.
The tape is not available in the US, but it may be available in UK.  My
recollection was that neither side came off looking too well, but from
the title, that was the whole point.
 
   A previous post refers to an episode on Ensign Ro's home planet.  The
title of that episode was (surprise!)  "Ensign Ro."  My recollection of
that episode was that the Bajorans were based on Palestinians more than
the Irish.  Perhaps there was a small Irish reference which I missed.
   Another episode which deals with the Irish was "Up the Long Ladder"
where the Enterprise had to ferry a community of (cartoonish) Irish
settlers.
 
                                      Junsok Yang (YANJUNA @YALEVM)
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From: tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Organization: Northern Telecom, Network Applications Systems, Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:59:16 GMT

In article <1aldh0INN8lp@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>WARNING:  The following post contains particularly frightening spoilers for 
>this week's TNG offering, "Realm of Fear".  Those afraid of spoilers should 
>either get over their fears or skip over this post.

I rarely have anything to say about your reviews, Tim, but just a
couple of points:

>First of all, I do have a minor problem with the plausibility of the whole 
>setup.  Let's see:  sensors can't penetrate the plasma stream well enough to 
>even check for life signs, yet somehow the Enterprise can *confidently* 
>manipulate the Yosemite's transporter system well enough to link it to the 
>Enterprise's own?  Reg had a point; I wouldn't have trusted that linkup to 
>speak my weight.  Along similar lines, if they had computer control good 
>enough to engage the Yosemite's transporters, why couldn't they just power up 
>the engines and get it out of the stream by itself, *then* beam over safely?  
>("Because then there wouldn't be a story; c'mon, Tim."  "Shh.")

I had no problem with not detecting life forms.  Perhaps they didn't
have the darn sensor set to look for life forms.  And if they said
that the engines were still working I didn't hear.

The biggest problem I had was that four people went into the
transporter (Riker, Worf, Geordi, and Barclay) and only Barclay was
(1) infected and (2) the only one to notice the "worms".  And if he
claims to have seen something during the beaming why couldn't they
either try beaming someone else to check or build a probe to monitor
what happens during transport?  They still could have had a story,
maybe a better one, that's arguable.

>--All 3 of the final Yosemite crewmembers are brought back at once.  Excuse 
>me, but I *do* seem to recall the point being made that there was only 
>bandwidth enough to beam one person around at a time here.  What gives?

They weren't transporting to the other ship, which is the reason I
thought that they were restricted to one at a time.  They weren't
going to the Yosemite for that transport.  Seemed reasonable enough to
me.

>TOTAL:  8, rounding up a bit for decent music and terrific FX.  "Darmok" it 
>isn't, but it beats the opener all hollow.

I agree with this.

>Tim Lynch (Harvard-Westlake School, Science Dept.)
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>"You know, I think this is the first time we've talked outside the 
>transporter room."
>"Well, to be honest, I've always avoided you."
>--
>Copyright 1992, Timothy W. Lynch.  All rights reserved, but feel free to ask...

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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: TAII - SPOILER Question
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:05:14 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

adamsf@gw.wmich.edu wrote:

Possible Spoiler for Times Arrow II

>My daughter called ... Finally she said, "Put this
>on the net, mom. You always said anything I ever needed to know
>about ST you could find out."  So please,  can someone give me
>a step by step on this question?

You may receive many of these.  Here's my take

Events of interest to your question

0. Data is first created
1. Crew (including Data) finds Data's head.
2. Away party travels into past.
  2a. Party leaves future
  2b. Party arrives past
3. Fight in cave and Data loses his head (head stays, body goes)
  3a. Party leaves past, leaving Data's head behind in the past
  3b. Party arrives future with Data's body
4. Geordi attaches Data's Head to Data's body

Now the time line

Past                                                             Future
	 ============ ...many years ... =====================
           ^   ^                         ^ ^  ^  ^
	   2b  3a                        0 2a 3b 4



Now for the complicated approach

                      HEAD/BODY timelines

    PAST                                                              FUTURE
          .-------------<--------------------<-------------.
         /                                                  \
Head    /                                                   /
        \                                       1---->-----2a
         2b---3a---------->----------------->---1--------------------4->
time...................>...................>................................
	 2b---3a                                1---->-----2a   3b---4->
Body	/      \____________>________________>______________|__/
	\                                                   /
         `------------<-----------<------------------------'

The point being that at point 3a "Head stays, body goes".   
So at point 1, both head/body created and go forward.  At point 2a,
head/body jump back in time to 2b.  At point 3a, head and body part
company and head hangs around in the dark to be discovered again at
point 1.  In the meantime, body has jumped around point one and
gotten to point 3b.  At point 3b, the head discovered at point 1
was still on the ship, and the body had just be transported up from
the surface.  Hence, at point 4, Geordie reattached the head and the
body.  Notice that the head is now older than the body by several
hundred years, because the body jumped to point 3b, while the head
had to lie around in a cave till point 1.  Also, the head discovered
at point 1 was not taken back at piont 2a, or things could have 
become difficult.

Mark Runyan
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:42:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct5.184237.18059
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <BvMnqM.Ao0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
>
>   I think a have an answer that actually makes sense.  If you watch closely, 
>it seems that O'Brian's formers pips were silver, not the normal gold of
>commissioned officers.  So perhaps the enlisted insignia in Star Fleet are
>silver, thus differentiating them from the officers.  
>   He clearly is a chief petty officer.  He has been referred to as a CPO on
>several occasions.  That's why he's called "chief."  You never hear Warf 
>referred to as Chief Warf, of Geordi as Chief La Fodge.
>   Perhaps the new insignia means he's been promoted to Senior Chief Petty
>Officer.  If this were the case, he would still be referred to as Chief O'Brian.   

I'll take a close look at this myself tonight, so yes, maybe he has been
promoted, but I wouldn't think to another CPO.  Since one hollow pip
seems most logically to be directly beneath ensign, how about Warrant 
Officer?