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From: mochang@aludra.usc.edu (Morrison J. Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: FTP site for flight sim reviews ?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:38:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: reviews FTP Flight Simulator FS Mallard

In article <uoNZwB3w165w@savanna.UUCP> jao@savanna.UUCP (J. A. Ollinger) writes:
>mochang@aludra.usc.edu (Morrison J. Chang) writes:
>
>... I've got just about everything that can be bought
>for FS4.  Which do you want described?

Well, I've heard that it is a good sim for single engine type designs,
but "loses realism" with multiple engines - true or false?

What's the difference between Microsoft's Aircraft and Scenery Designer,
and Mallard's Aircraft and Adventure Factory?

I'm interested in building my own airplane, for example could I build
a 4 engine turboprop with either the add-on by Microsoft or with the
Mallard products?

>Good points: it's more "realistic" than air combat games in the way it
>flies.  You learn real aeronautics, like holding an angle of attack
>during level flight, and how to navigate with omni beacons.  If you're
>interested in true civil aviation, it's a good program.

So how is the manual that comes with FS4 since real aeronautics is probably
more complicated than what could fit in the box? 

>Bad points: if you want action, it's not too swift.  It's also going on 4
>years old.  It runs 16 colors in 640x350 resolution and has polygon
>graphics, which are fairly smooth but don't look particularly good.
>Add-ons will increase the resolution for SVGA, but won't increase the
>number of colors.  Sound board support comes *only* from add-ons.  FS4 is
>being left in the dust, in terms of graphics and gee-whiz effects, by the
>newer air combat games.

Tower commands/instructions available as a voice over the speaker as an
add-on product?

Thanks for the info.

-Morrison

From: ronk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ron King)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:08:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Formation Flying...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators

     I dont know of any simulators, but do know a small bit about tight
formation flying.  Bill "Burner" Berdsley, former Blue Angel pilot says
that each plane in the diamond formation is trimed differently, depending
upon the position in the formation.  When flying the left wing position
he puts in down trim, so he must pull the stick with pressure to maintain
level altitude.  He used left aileron trim to counter act wing vortex from
the lead aircraft, and right rudder trim because turbulence from the lead
plane tended to push the tail of his plane left.  With this setting he could
fly straight and level in tight formation by pulling back on the stick, it
seems he set it up for about a 40lbs pull, which he commented made your
arm totally wipped out after 40min. of flying.  The right wing would trim
just opposite aileron, and rudder, but would still use nose down trim on
elevator.  He comments that the excessive down trim setting tends to dampen
out any pilot induced oscillations.  For example, if the plane next to you
moves up, the greater stick force required to pull up causes the plane to 
seem to react slower to pilot input.   The plane responce time is the same
but the pilot input happens slower, so as to smooth out the whole formation.
    He talks of living within a 1 foot window!  You watch the palne next to
you not the ground, or instruments!  You pick a spot on the near by plane
near your wing tip, and you must at all costs not vary your position more
than a foot in realtionship to the spot of reference on the other plane!
    I realize this is more than you asked for, and no simulator could
duplicate completely flying in real tight formation.  It is interesting
though to hear from one who has done it, what it is really like.
    This information is from a video tape thats out called something like
"In the Sky with Burner Beardsley" or something like that.  If anyone would
like the specifics on the real name, and producer please Email me.
    I have nothing to do with the sale or production of this film, and Bill
comments on the F4, which the Angels flew when he was with them.  I dont
know if the F18 is set up the same way.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: rroman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Randall Roman)
Subject: ACM 3.0?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:40:19 GMT

A while ago it was posted that ACM 3.0 was to be released in December
'92.  Has this happened, and if so, where can I get the source.

Thanks.

--
Randy Roman
r-roman@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: eyal@echo.canberra.edu.au (Eyal Lebedinsky)
Subject: More Qs abot F15/SEIII
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:51:57 GMT

Hello again,

For the first round of Qs I got some replies, but not enough to give me
a conclusive idea about these things.

I did learn that there is the 'reality' settings to do, so now these are
all on max. Still some strange things:

Speed: It tells me that I do m1.0 at 660 knots at sea level (this is
correct) but then at 35,000 feet it tells me that I do m1.0 at 330
knots. sos at 35000 is 576 (if you trust the books). Cheking the doco I
find that the F16 has a max speed of 770. Is this sea-level max speed?

Frame rate: I did AltF and it says between 100 and 200 frames/sec. Well
this should be wonderful but it still is not smooth! So I fired up JF2
and sure enough it's as smooth as can be. I think that the problem is in
the way the picture contents is handled - it jumps a lot. Also there are
zillion of black dashes running on the ground all the time - I'd say we
got here a severe aliasing problem (never seen it so bad before).

Password: bloody hell! do I hate paying for a game and geting a program
that forces me to do spring cleaning every time it runs just to find the
book! Having known this I would not have bought the game (I mean it).
DOes anyone know of a fix to remove this stupid thing? [please no flame
wars here, this is just my personal feeling - if there is any justice
then when MicroProse gets to Hell it will be asked to quote the first
letter of the second sentence of the 10th paragraph in Genesis... I
already feel much better]

Binding: pages started falling off the book as soon as I started reading
it (they did not expect me to, did they!). I can live with this.

Behaviour: It now does not allow me to do a 300 feet turn at 700
knots... but the velocity vector still moves very little. Let's see,
under normal conditions (with target stable) the piper (for M61) should
move about in concert with the velocity-vector. It sure does not.

Main screen: I find it a pain to use the joystich to pick 'quick start'
(the mouse driver wont fit in memory, I had to strip everything off. I
only have my wristwatch on...)

Quick start: I hate nigh flight, so I abort mission when it comes up -
but then it keeps coming up. I have to kill the plane (eject) to force a
new scene. Is there a simpler way? I understand that night/day is at my
command only in training mode.

Joystick: I can recalibrate untill I.m blue in the face - it will not
save it! next time I have to do it again. What am I doing wrong? (I use
Esc, control, joystick, recalibrate) there is no 'save setting'
selection.

Roll: When I center the stick the roll stops, immediately. I expected
some inertia in the response.

Flaps: do I have any? Does the F15 not have any?

Thats enough for now. In general, this one feels strange. Are there
opinions from people who flew the real thing (or anything similar)? I
would like to hear it.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: mstudent@bnr.ca (Kevin Dunn)
Subject: Re: Upside down Boeings?
Reply-To: mstudent@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:02:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.170034.17710@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, med2p@receptor.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Marc. Durieux) writes:
|> I noted that it is fairly straightforward to fly the planes in ATP
|> upside down.  Just get a good bit of speed, and then turn over with
|> a full roll.  And remember that all your stick movements are now
|> reversed.  It works even with the 747.  Anyone who knows if this would
|> in fact be possible with these aircraft?  I realize they're not
|> designed for it, but still...
|> 
|> Marcel Durieux
|> med2p@virginia.edu 

 No. it is impossible to fly inverted in a 747. the wing is not disigned for inverted flight. it would drop quite fast.

Kevin Dunn
mstudent@bnr.ca
AKA Falcon **the electric Jet**
Tailwind Video
From: laurens@wsinfo01.win.tue.nl (Laurens de Vries)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Upside down Boeings?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:01:33 GMT
Reply-To: laurens@win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <82356@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> gedwards@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Gordon Edwards) writes:
>MS FS4 will also let you fly the 747 upside down, and even do a loop in
>it (if you start out really really high).
>

Using MS FS3 I was even able to LAND upside down. The plane
returned to the normal position only after touchdown. Since
FS4 I've not been able to repeat the experiment.

Laurens
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: med2p@receptor.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Marc. Durieux)
Subject: Upside down Boeings?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:00:34 GMT

I noted that it is fairly straightforward to fly the planes in ATP
upside down.  Just get a good bit of speed, and then turn over with
a full roll.  And remember that all your stick movements are now
reversed.  It works even with the 747.  Anyone who knows if this would
in fact be possible with these aircraft?  I realize they're not
designed for it, but still...

Marcel Durieux
med2p@virginia.edu
From: gedwards@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Gordon Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Upside down Boeings?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:08:38 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan7.170034.17710@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> med2p@receptor.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Marc. Durieux) writes:
>I noted that it is fairly straightforward to fly the planes in ATP
>upside down.  Just get a good bit of speed, and then turn over with
>a full roll.  And remember that all your stick movements are now
>reversed.  It works even with the 747.  Anyone who knows if this would
>in fact be possible with these aircraft?  I realize they're not
>designed for it, but still...

MS FS4 will also let you fly the 747 upside down, and even do a loop in
it (if you start out really really high).

I'm sure it really upsets the passengers though.

-- Gordon

-- 
=============================================================================
Gordon Edwards, N4VPH              |         "Nothing Unreal Exists"
NCR Engineering & Manufacturing    |
gedwards@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com  |  Kiri-Kin-Tha's First Law of Metaphysics
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
From: venky@thelonious.bellcore.com (G A Venkatesh)
Subject: Re: flying with disabilities
Reply-To: venky@thelonious.bellcore.com (G A Venkatesh)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:39:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.063619.21079@peck.com> geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:
>Actually, I was just thinking about this, Bonnie, and I had an amusing
>thought.  You could learn to fly in an absolutely ordinary Cessna or
>Piper.  No special equipment needed.  What, you say?  How can this be?
>
>Simply learn to fly from the right seat.  You have full use of your
>left arm, and you can easily learn to never have to touch the throttle
>and the yoke at the same time.  (There are a few exceptions, which are
>the soft-field landing and possibly the crosswind landing.  Something
>innovative could probably be worked out for these two...indeed, except
>for a severe crosswind, I can already suggest how the crosswind landing
>could be accomplished.)  At *all* other times (barring some mental
>lapse on my part), you should be able to remove your hand from the yoke
>for a moment in order to adjust the throttle.
>

What about go-arounds?

venky
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rex@eng.umd.edu (Rex Root)
Subject: Re: Ski Resorts
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 14:10:31 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec31.140402.13087@talos.pm.com> vincent@talos.UUCP (Andy Vincent) writes:
>Does anyone know of any ski resorts on the east coast that have
>landing facilites (real) close by?


W92 .. Sky Bryce at Basye, VA.  The ski slopes and lounge at The Bryce Resort
are well within walking distance.

W92 is on the Washington sectional.



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From: sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: loss of hair
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:18 EST
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax.cc.williams.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

More on blankets and rubbing:  (I can't remember HOW I know this, but
I KNOW it!!!!!).  A poor fit may indeed rub a bald spot on a horse.
But a restless horse who simply moves around a lot will create rubs
no matter what kind of blanket it has on and how well it fits.  My
mare is in this category.  I think the only time she's not moving
is when she's asleep (and yes, she does get turned out for at least
six hours a day--more in summer).  Wundercover has solved ALL my
problems.

SHerron and "Judy"
Williamstown, MA
sknopp@williams.edu

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington)
Subject: Re: Net wisdom needed on nerving
Summary: Thumbs up or down on nerving for navicular?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: 1st Kentucky Cavalry Co. C
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:01 EST  

In article <1993Jan8.195457.23068@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Penny E. Breyer) writes...
>Hello everyone!  Faced with a horsey dilemma, I too turn to
>the wisdom of the net for more experienced opinions on what
>to do.
> 
>Here's the problem:  My mother's 11 year old Quarter Horse, Tex,
>has been diagnosed with navicular.  She has been trying everything
>(wedge pads, bar shoes, etc.) and he is still dead lame.  Someone
>has suggested nerving him, which (I believe - correct me if I am
>wrong!) involves cutting the main nerve in his foot so he can
>be ridden without pain.  This is a pretty drastic step, so my
>mom has asked me to see if anyone could give opinions or relate
>similar experiences and decisions made.
> 
-additional case history deleted-

>Penny Breyer, her mom Kay, and Dahl's Last Decision (aka Tex!)
>send email to: peb2g@virginia.edu
>  
Don't nerve Tex... yet.  Nerving is the last resort and there are other 
treatments that can help.  My QH, Mason, was diagnosed with navicular 2 
summers ago and since that time has had long periods of being sound with 
some short lame stretches (the lame times seem to occur just when something 
fun is planned).  Anyway, we have had him on isoxuprine hydrochloride (10 
20mg pills am and pm) and bute basically since he was diagnosed.  The 
isoxuprine is a vascular dialator (sounds llike the right terms...in short, 
the medication helps to increase the bloodflow to the navicular bone).  
Mason has responded well to the medication.  We have tried to wean him off 
the bute and reduce the osoxuprine with some success (we started with two 
bute am and pm and have reduced that to one bute am only).  Mason also has 
pade on both front feet.  We have also used Cortisone shots into the ankles 
(to jump start Mason after a bout of lameness).  We generally have Mason's 
feet trimmed avery 6 weeks.  A big key is work; keep the blood flowing; if 
he is off so that you cannot ride, turnout is great (just keep an eye on
his feet).  

Good luck!  

E. Allen Arrington  
        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
and Mason (a darn fine horse)
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Help! My horse won't drink!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:55:05 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: mlr21@cas.org's message of 11 Jan 93 20:15:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.201518.11113@cas.org> mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:

   In article <1993Jan9.144448.1192@mala.bc.ca>, bigrasl@mala.bc.ca writes:
   |> HELP!!! My horse is drinking hardley any water.  We have had ... snow
   |> for the past 10 days.  The last 3 days my horse's water consumption has
   |> dropped to 1/4 of what she normally drinks ....
   |> I have tried giving her warmer water but
   |> but the time she thinks about drinking it has gone cold.  ...
   |> Any suggestions?
   |> 	Lydia & Oriah Dawn

   ...  If I remember right, horses supposedly won't drink water 
   if it is too hot or too cold (think this was in an Equus and it listed the 
   temperatures), but then again, if they're thirsty enough, they'll drink.

   Mary Lee

The desire to drink cold water seems to vary with individual equines.
On the rare occasions when it gets cold enough here (central coastal
California) to make ice on the water, I find that my pinto donkey
simply won't drink until I've broken the ice, removed the icebergs,
and added hot tap water.  She is clearly thirsty, as she immediately
"tanks up", then apparently doesn't drink until I come out to warm it
up again, 12 hours later.  Her breeder and my neighbor (who has
Paints) both report similar problems.  This is worrysome, since
insufficient water, along with dry feed like hay, can lead to
impaction colic.

My 3 Norwegian Fjords, on the other hand, find ice-cold water to be
perfectly acceptable.  If their water tub "gets too hard on top", one
of them will simply bash on the ice for a while with a big steel-shod
hoof, until it "softens up" enough to drink---they have kept us busy
hauling water to them when the pipes freeze up!  Granted, they do
drink less during cold weather than in the summer, when most of that
water is used to make sweat, for cooling them.

Given that your horse is drinking some of the water, and isn't
drastically thirsty when you do give her warmer water, you probably
don't have a serious problem.  Certainly, the bran mashes, carrots,
etc won't hurt.  If you are worried about it, you may want to invest
in a heated or an insulated water bucket, so the water will stay
warmer longer.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:40:08 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.larc.nasa.gov

Bill,

I tried to send this e-mail, but for some reason you're an
'unknown host.' hmmmmm
Apologies to the net ...

Patty
________________________


Saw your post on rec.equestrian and just thought I'd say 'hi'
to another Virginian...
I live in Yorktown, but ride way up in Toano at my trainer's
place. (I think that's about half way between Yorktown and 
Richmond ??) 

So, sounds like you have many years under your belt with horses -
tell me about yourself. Comments like "the three continents that
I have worked on" definitely intrigue me! 

I'm sure you get this all the time, but I just have to ask....
You aren't per chance related to THE General Chamberlain
are you?

Patty
From: micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Michael Bongartz, private UUCP site, Saarbruecken/Germany
Subject:  Lipizzan dressage on the air
Reply-To: micha@moko.saar.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 20:33:16 +0100

In <1993Jan6.230929.4228@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, Tracy Scheinkman writes:
> In Article 10812 in rec.equestrian:
> From: jd@rust.zso.dec.com (John D'Addamio)
> 	Fascinating, then I guess they are doing the pesade, although
> it is hard to measure angles when you are sitting on the horse :-) .
Pesade
> Now how to get her to do it when I ask her ... :-) 
> (Since she is still a Training level horse, I think I'll wait until 
> we have more experience to try.  I wonder what she could do with a better
> trained rider?)

Dressage on the air.

if you really want to train your horse to the dresage on the air
beginning with the pesade, levade is more difficult and capriole is
for the most horse impossible. In Lipica a trainer sayed me that only
5 until 10% of the horses which can go high dressage lessons including
levade can make a capriole. Don't worry.
If you want to train your horse to pesade, you must do it from the 
ground, n o t riding. Classically you have to use 'pilare', that are two
strong posts, 6 feet from eachother. You need a 'Kappzaum' for the horse.
That is a headstall without bit, stronger than a bosal, often use to
train the horse go around you on a long rope ('Longieren').
train it to stand quiet between the posts if it is tied on each side.
First you teach piaffe, you use a long whip to touch the horse on the 
legs s o f t l y. The horse can't go foreward or backward, so it moves
his legs in the high. That is the first beginning to teach horses 
dressage on the air. If the horse learned to move his legs high, you
can teach him in the same way to move his both frontlegs high
-> pesade. But it is very difficult, my dressage trainer had teached
some years ago a horse levade this way.
But my opinion is: go with your horse to a very good, very gentle and
soft trainer to learn it you and the horse. 
Train first passage and piaffe, this you can teach your horse riding,
it's not so difficult and there aren't so many possibilities to make
mistakes.

Bye Claudia and Lucky

c/o micha@moko.saar.de
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