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From: Linda.Cummings@f34.n375.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Cummings)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Wheelchair
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:31:04 GMT
Reply-To: Linda.Cummings@f34.n375.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:375/34 - Batteries Included, Montgomery AL

Index Number: 23446

Just thought I'd write down my experience last night.  I sure got a
better understanding of what it's like to be in a wheelchair!

After Eddie and I went to Sizzler for (me) Steak and Lobster Tail
and (him) King Cut Prime Rib to celebrate our 10th Anniversary, we
decided to go do the grocery shopping at about 11pm.  It was
planned.

You all know what it's like for me to go shopping, right?  Usually
don't get down one aisle before the hyperflexia kicks in and I
start perspiring like I'm "Waterfall Woman" or something.  Then, by
the end of the second aisle, I'm hurting so badly that I don't know
how I'm going to make it through the entire store.

Well, since there weren't too many people in the store, I decided
that I'd go ahead, swallow my pride, and ride around in the
wheelchair they had there (with the basket on the front for a few
groceries).  The only thing I did wrong, though, was not take my
pillow in to sit on.  My tailbone was killing me by the end of our
shopping trip.

Anyway, Eddie pushed the shopping cart and I tagged along behind
him, directing him to what we needed as I crossed off the items on
my list. At one point, he had to excuse himself, and just told me
to wait.  I was by the dairy section, alone, in the wheelchair, and
a shopping cart. One of the items I needed was shredded cheese.  It
was beyond reach.  I sat there, thinking long and hard, about
people who have to be in wheelchairs.  How high the items are on
the shelves, and how terrible it must be to go into a store and not
be able to reach something yourself.

On the other hand, I was able to reach the items on the lowest
shelf by myself for a change.  Those items I pointed out to Eddie
on the bottom shelf (that he couldn't see).

You know, when walking through the store, pushing a shopping cart,
hardly anybody notices you.  People hardly make eye contact or
smile at each other, unless somebody says "excuse me" when trying
to get around another person who may be blocking the aisle a
little.  But, even with the few people that were there, everyone
would look in my direction. Of course, when walking in a store with
my cane, I would also get this reaction, so I was used to it.

I guess I just wanted to say that, one...I finally did what I said
I was going to do, and it was the most pleasant and relaxing
shopping trip I'd had in years (no hyperflexia, no increase in
sciatic pain); and two...when I got home, I didn't have to wait for
an hour before putting the groceries away!  I did have a little
increase in pain, but nothing like before.  Only from the dining
out and riding in the van.

And, oh yes, three...now I know a little bit of what it's like to
have to be in a wheelchair and resume normal activites (at least
shopping)! My hat's off to each and every one of you!

Linda

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From: Tom.Gerhart@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Gerhart)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: nfb bbs censorship??
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:06:53 GMT
Reply-To: Tom.Gerhart@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23409

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 MF> skillfully enough  that someone not thoroughly acquainted with the
 MF> events described in  passing wouldn't know it.  Although we could
 MF> refute the article, point  by point, it would take quite a ptome
 MF> (since, without chapter-and-verse  proof, no one who opposed us would
 MF> believe us) and, frankly, we don't  have the time to put in on that
 MF> sort of no-win situation; our time is  better spent dealing with the
 MF> real problems of the blind.
Mike,
I have not said much about this subject but felt the need to respond to
your mesg. What about all the time that has been spent on the air plane
seating issue?   I once heard an nfb leader call this issue the Vietnam
for the federation.  As one who has had first hand experience with the
federation for ten years, I would like to hear the untrue claims that
were made in this article.  You complained that she did not use comments
made by Dean Blazie, she also did not have any comments by James Bliss.
Oh, one last question, when was the last time you carried a cup of
coffee around at the center?  Tom g

... Catch the Blue Wave!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: rnelson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Randy Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Disability and Sexuality
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:49:13 GMT
Reply-To: rnelson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Randy Nelson)

Index Number: 23437

A Disabled Canadian woman is interested in doing a quarterly
newsletter on "Disability and Sexuality".  She would like to
know if there are any other newsletters out there written by
consumers.  She does not want to re-invent the wheel.
Please send a note to rnelson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca if you can
offer any assistance.
Thanks,
Randy
From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: B n s and grade 2
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:40:02 GMT
Reply-To: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23189

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 TW> turns the tranlator on and brailles in grade two. then when she
 TW> prints it she does I think she said a cord b and a cord t and
 TW> the paper product comes out in grade 2.  so you all figure this
 TW> one out.

Tandy,
    I think this thread was getting too confusing to follow, but here's
my understanding of the situation.

     If you use the translator when you create your file, it is, of
course, in the form of grade 2 braille.  If you then transmit it to a
print printer, or want it stored as straight ASCII on whatever source
you're sending it to, you turn the translator on in the status menu.  In
other words, it "reverse translates" the braille file to an ASCII file.
    If, however, you are sending it to a braille printer, and you want
it to be printed as the braille file it was composed as, you turn the
braille translator off in the status menu.  This way, it will be sent
out just as you composed it, no reverse translation taking place, and
assuming you formatted it correctly, it should at the least be readable
grade 2 braille in hard copy.
     The commands your friend is using to do this is probably a chord P
for the status menu, then a simple t for translator, then an n for no.

    I honestly seldomly use the braille translator when creating a file,
mainly because I seldomly take more than a few notes with my Braille 'n
Speak, and hardly ever want hard copy braille of those I do take.  If,
however, I did, I would probably still want to send it to a PC and do a
good translation with Turbo-Braille, so I would still probably not use
the translator in my creation of the file.  If one does do alot of
sending directly to a braille printer from their Braille n Speak, I
think what I've said above is how to do it though.
                                        Willie

... BlinkTalk, Commo and Silver in Pittsburgh!

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From: ANDY.ANDERSON@p11.f116.n138.z1.fidonet.org (ANDY ANDERSON)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: scooters
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:14:04 GMT
Reply-To: ANDY.ANDERSON@p11.f116.n138.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/116.11 - Group Medical BBS, Tacoma WA

Index Number: 23255

Hello Joan!

Wednesday July 15 1992 00:45, Joan Thomas wrote to ANDY ANDERSON:

 JT> Flyer and I was very impressed with it. It's lighter, has no wires to
 JT> connect and turns much easier than the fortress.

My Amigo  originally had a couple wires that needed connecting,but
they have since Waaaaaaaaaay back then replaced them with a "Quick
Disconnect".

 JT> I also have a Bruno outsider on my car. I have hand controls and I drive
 JT> JT> my car the same way I drive my scooter <grin>

I also have hand controls on my car,but I use a walker unless
someone goes along to load and unload my chair or scooter.
Needless to say,I don't go just anywhere,If I can't manage with my
walker after I get there,I don't go.

 JT> Andy either you are new on the Echo or my memory is going which is
 JT> possible if not probable, if I'm not being to nosy why do you need a
 JT> scooter.

I have been here awhile but just didn't post all that much,;-) and
No,you aren't being too nosy,(unless of course,you knock things
over whenever you turn your head)excuse me please,that is just a
feeble attempt at humor.;-)Oh,and the reason I use a scooter,I had
an operation on my (Brain?),that left me partially paralyzed,now I
can't walk or stand for long periods,thus the walker and scooters.

 JT> Do you run your own BBS?

No,I am just a point system,I have been considering it tho.;-)

ANDY

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From: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Stu Turk)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Hi there
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:13:46 GMT
Reply-To: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.2 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 23254

 > MJ: Computers open worlds!  But how does the deaf-blind use a computer?
 > MJ: A speech synthesize is out.  Does your printer print in braille, or
 > MJ: does the screen produce a braille image?  It seems it would take a
 > MJ: long time to read all the messages.  Still, I imagilne you feel you

Not all deaf/blind people are both totally deaf and totally blind.
Most have either enough hearing to get by with a hearing aid, or
some usable sight.  I'm deaf/blind but can read the screen
normally, even though I can't see the entire screen at the same
time (due to my narrow angle of vision.)

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From: ronald@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Ronald Amundson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: HR 4993 -- Amendments to ADA
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:07:14 GMT
Reply-To: ronald@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Ronald Amundson)
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa

Index Number: 23236

I recently learned that Congressman Dannemeyer introduced the "1992
Amendments to the ADA" as HR 4993 in April.  The bill sets limits on
the amounts of money businesses have to spend in order to make
themselves accessible to employees or the public.

It looks like a pretty bad bill to me.  Does anyone else know anything
about it?

Does anyone know the status of the bill?  Should we be shouting loudly
quickly?

Thanks.

Ron Amundson
DRAGW/OAN  (Disability Rights Advocacy Group w/o a Name)
From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: consumer organizations
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:45:50 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23440

I think the first requirement is membership in good standing then
maybe you get a call back.  These consumer organizations are into
hard times financially but that's to be expected when most of your
membership base is unemployed.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: Tom.Gerhart@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Gerhart)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: dogs and landlords
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:04:45 GMT
Reply-To: Tom.Gerhart@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23329

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 KW> So how is it that I can be charged a pet deposit for a dog guide being
 KW> present in my home when California Civil Code says that a
 KW> landlord cannot levy any such extra charge? Also, why does
 KW> the same Civil Code make it very clear that even though
 KW> such an extra charge cannot be levied, just the same, the
 KW> dog guide user is responsible for any damage done by the
 KW> dog guide.

Karen,
I think according to the code you mentioned you should ask for a refund
of the $200.  The second point you made is whether the blind person
should be responsible for the actions of his or her dog. I think
that is very reasonable. tom G.

... Catch the Blue Wave!
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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: acb/nfb feud
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23234

Either I didn't explain my position adequately or it was
somewhat misunderstood.

The only agreement I am interested in having between the ACB and
NFB is on what are accepted as common goals and common approaches
to those goals.  Where differences exist I don't expect them to be
submerged.

My reason for an interest in getting such agreement is so that the
two organizations can form a front.  Fronts are put together so
that where organizations have common issues and common approaches
to those goals the legislatures won't be able to claim there's
disagreement in the blind community on all issues.  Because the
front would be in their way and prevent that kind of
misinformation.

In reality such a front is likely to accomplish very little if the
points of contention are so frequent but I think it would be nice
to be able to spike at least one legislative misinformation
campaign before it's all over.

Such a front if built might make it necessary for organizations
which haven't thought out clear positions on issues to do some
thinking communicating and work towards these goals.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: TALKING TO DEAF PEOPLE
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23340

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Karen,

I came across a comment you made, in a message to Betty McBroom
about how some people would get after you for "talking too loud"
and how as a result, you now often speak too softly.

I suppose, like many of us who have progressive hearing loss (And
perhaps even some born deaf?) I certainly can relate to that
problem.

I started really "yelling" just after they stuck hearing aids on my
ears. I would especially yell if I were really excited. It's true,
some people can really be irritated by that and "some" of them can
be quite rude about letting you know you are speaking quite
loudly.

Besides being hearing impaired, I am legally blind and mobility
impaired, so I am fortunate in a way, because there is almost
always someone very close to me at my side when I am public.  I
have told my friends and family members that when I begin to speak
too loudly or even yell, in public, to gently nudge me in the arm.
This system works really well in my case. Of course, when I am out
and about alone, then I am on my own.

Also, when me and my hearing aids leave a quiet environment and I
must use my TELEX, I also experience another problem similar to
yours, that being, I find talking sort of a strain and difficult
because while I can hear the other person through the TELEX, I am
unable to hear my own voice at all.

Oh well, life is hard, but you're not alone! Being oral is a
wonderful thing, but thank goodness for ASL!!!

Keepin' the faith!

.                                Vixen

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From: polly@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Pauline O'Connor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Info wanted: Deakin Uni 1991 conference on students with disabilities
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: polly@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Pauline O'Connor)
Organization: YES Centre, University of Tasmania, Australia.

Index Number: 23278

I urgently need basic information about the Conference held late last year
at Deakin University in Geelong, Victoria, Australia, about students with
disabilities.

If anybody attended this Conference I would be grateful if you would contact
me asap.

Thank you.

Pauline O'Connor

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Centre For Education            |       Fax: (002) 20 7839
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GPO Box 252C
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From: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Weather factors
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23245

On  7/23/92 you said:
|
| >    I've decided that since I can't work as a paramedic anymore I'm
| > going to be a weather forecaster.  I'm a whole lot more accurate
| > than the guys on TV.  For me, it seems to be related to the
| > barometric pressure.  I thought it was when it dropped below 30,
| > but my husband thinks (having listened to my complaint :_) that
| > it's more to do with the direction.  Whenever a low front is over
| > us or coming in it's a killer!
|
|What a coincidence!  I've watched the weather channel when my pain
|increases and the first thing I see is the little "down" area with
|the barometric pressure.  Yup...you guessed it!  My pain also
|increases when the barometric pressure falls below 30.  I am also
|pretty accurate with forcasting a front moving in, even days before
|the weather channel says anything about it.

You guys might be missing a great career opportunity as seafarers!
Any Captain worthy of the name would pay dearly to have someone aboard
who could forecast impending storms that accurately!  :-)

Sez me,

W. K. (Bill) Gorman
From: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Dogs And Landlords
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:45:02 GMT
Reply-To: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/730 - QST, Sacramento CA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23299

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 KW> After speaking with the social department at Guide Dogs for the Blind
 KW> here in  California, I was informed that they believed although it was
 KW> in very poor  taste, the owners of my aparytment complex most certainly
 KW> could charge me a  pet deposit for my Guide Dog. So, of course, I
 KW> figured that was that and I  paid that two hundred bucks.
 KW> Yet, going through the California Civil Code concerning itself with
 KW> dog  guides, it very clearly states " No extra charge can be levied by
 KW> a public  accomodation, common carrier or landlord because of the dog

karen, i don't know who you talked to at gdfb's social services
department but they are clearly wrong in their facts and as you
pointed out, the civil code contridicts them and your manager.  i
would work either with your nfb chapter in resolving this or
contact a civil rights attorney.  also, you might contact the
california state board of guide dogs, pat urena at 916-445-9041.
remember that the nfb does not support the board but if you cannot
get any assistance from your nfb chapter, contact them.  dan
... "OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MY MIND!"

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From: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen review software for pc Unix system?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:00:25 GMT
Reply-To: David.Andrews@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23393

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Walt Grueninger to All <=-
WG> I am also looking for some advice.  The primary computer here at
 WG> work is a Sun system running Sun's Unix (Solaris).  I access this
 WG> system through a pc running Articvision screen review software and
 WG> Procomm terminal emulator.  I should like to set up a system in my
 WG> home but don't want to have to set up a double system there (Sun
 WG> plus pc).  Is there any screen review software that will run
 WG> directly on a Sun computer?  Is it possible to run any screen
 WG> review software on a pc Unix system.  I would appreciate any
 WG> suggestions.

I have not heard of any commercial products that support Unix
directly.  I talked to a NSA employee who said that they wrote her
and others a basic access program for Unix, but it wasn't fancy,
and I don't know for what flavor of Unix it was for.  I also don't
know of it would be available.

David Andrews

... "Don't mince words, Walt ... what do you *REALLY* think?"

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From: Wayne.Briggs@p3.f26.n392.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Briggs)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Vicodin
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: Wayne.Briggs@p3.f26.n392.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:392/26.3 - Star Express, Abilene Tx

Index Number: 23428

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

What ever helps some of the time.

Personally, if I take any of that stuff after two doses, it makes
makes me stuck up.

IWhile 1 person may react or perhaps be allergic to 1 drug. Codine,
hydrocdine & trade names like Vicoden, Lora-Tab, Tylox according to
my doctors & pharmacist are all about the same thing. I try to
limit use to 16 hours max & avoid any AM use, try rest, heat, cold
& TENS as alternative so that the stuff still works some when I
need it.

I've thought of myself as having a rather low pain tolerance - but
todsay felt kind of good when my doctor told my my 1 good shoulder
had beemn dislocated for a week and that was why I was
"uncomfortable."  I was also greatly releaved that the RSD hadn't
travelled from 1 arm to the other.

May your infection always benever or mild.

P.S. I've been able to save $ with generic pain meds - however
generic nti-depressants are not always biologically equivalent. Are
you able to take Asprin & have to tried the 6 hour time release
stuff ?

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From: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Do You Have The Nac
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:34:55 GMT
Reply-To: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/730 - QST, Sacramento CA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23182

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BK>   However, Dan seems to think that nac makes
 BK> little difference, so I was wanting his thoughts on the subject of why
 BK> he thinks so.

what i infurred is that in the overall picture of things, nac isn't what
the majority of blind folks are concerned with.  i don't mean to suggest
that nac is a body we as blind folks would like see remain and i applaud
nfb's efforts in fighting their existence but the priorities are
assbackwards in that unemployment and access and rehabilitation are what we
are concerned with.  hope this helps
dan
... "I SURE FEEL MORE LIKE NOW THAN I DID AWHILE AGO!"

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