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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: Another Anwers
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:21:55 GMT

In article <85932@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>        Have you ever think why we have such lousy government?
>        Lousy government makes lousy citizens but lousy citizens also
>        make lousy government.  The quality of political system is merely 
>        reflection of that of citizens.
> 

right! this is what i have been saying!
don't forget what MINJJA promised to do during campaign
and if they keep their promises, vote for them when they promise 
good things in next election
anf if they don't, vote against them in next election!

let's see this election.
in last election, Rho promised to do several good things when he got elected.
such as, Ji-Bang-Ja-Chi-Jae, Geum-Yung-Sil-Myung-Jae and Public-concept-of-land.
but they didn't. 
some netter said it was to save our economy.
come on, if they didn't think how those things would affect our economy
when they promised during campaign, they are stupid so that
we cannot let them govern our country.
or if they said so just to be elected, they lied!
again we should not let them govern our country.

but in this election, it turned out that our people didn't remember
or didn't care about what they promised.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:parliamentary System
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:02:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:
>In article <85819@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>       
>>    After Roh's election, I  am very confused with the concept of "political
>>      prisoners."  
>>

>a few days ago, Rho released Im SooKyung and Moon GyuHyun.
>do you think they can be put into the same category with general criminals?

      So what?  you did not answer to my question: In genral what is your
      definition of "political prisoners" which you said, were doubled during
      6th government?
      Do you believe that still korean justice or legal system wholely works
      for government?  When do you think student should stop Molotov cocktails?
      Im and Moon were charged for violating "Security laws and anti-
      communism activities something like that"?  Do you believe that at that
      time, goverment maintained those laws against poeple's will?
      When they entered North Korea, didn't they expect the consequences?
      I think they did.
 
      I do hate those outdate laws. However, my personal preference has nothing
      to do with social concensus. Legal system is the result of majority
      agreement especially after mass demonstration in 1987.
      If so-called intelligents do not respect laws, when can we have a society      ruled by laws?  Current labor disputing laws was passed by parliament of 
      opposition-majority.  

>>      I know my oppinion can be labeled as ultra-conservative or something like
>>      that. 

>no, you're not conservative
>you're just a far-right-extremist.

      Thank for your identifying my political stands. However, could you 
      elaborate in more detail about your definition. What I wanted to say was
      whoever violated the "laws" must be charged and we should build legal
      justice. I respect all different opinions. But after long history of 
      political struggling history, aren't we accepting the concept of "all-
      means-for-my-purpose"?  I really want to hear more than slogans.
      Moreover, I began to comdemn any violance whowever commit. 
      For more matured society, now I believe Korean society should be
      liberated from "premature" students' movement as well as many
      other "evils".  I believe after late 80's, Korean students movement 
      became "problematic" rather than keen alarming role.
      Some people say that it was because of "CHOOSA".  
      However, it is clearly not what I supported for and what I wanted to live
      for when I was a college student.   I can not guess your age. But
      I still clearly remeber my endless anger and desparate when we were under     "YooSin."   I miss the student movement of that time.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Looking for Korean Playboy
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:25:08 GMT

In article <1i5ps0INNo60@menudo.uh.edu>, wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>
>As far as I know, there are no such Korean versions.

How about 'Wolkan Kongang'? :)
That magazine is the closest to Playboy, though people in the magazine
are Western and usually they are wearing swimsuit.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.182515.21087@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.121400.48@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.100424.27476@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>>>Are you a student in University of Penn. or University of Hamheung?
>>>
>>
>>I happended to finger him (not her - i think)
>>according to the following, his REAL name is Hyunsuk Seung.
>>and studing anatomy in penn.
>>
>>Hey, Hyunsuk.
>>tell the truth, who really you are and what your real opinion is.
>>or shut up, ok?
>>
>
>
>Geez, guys.  
>
>Please take that cucumber out and relax.
>
>Why is it so important to you what his real name is?  He apparently didn't
>try to hide his name.  I am sure he knew about "finger" and could have beat
>that program if he wanted to.
>
>If you are not familiar with him, Mr. Hyunsuk Seung (a.k.a. Roland H Seung,
>Rachel H Seung, Ho-Dor Seung) is the resident contributor of s.c.k. with
>his MPS (Multi-Personality Syndrome) babbles and incredible appetite for
>Korean food.  I am pretty sure he is a pretty sick human being, but I, for
>one, have found his articles funny, amusing and well-written.  If you
>cannot stand him or his style, there is always a KILL file.  Election is
>important and everything, but this group can always use some spice.
>
>Inhale.  
>
>Good.
>
>Andy Kim

I am sorry, Ho Dor Seung.  I thought you were a normal person.
I understand that blaming an abnormal person is a heavy sin.
Please accept my apology. 
(Hui... what a weird world! I feel goosefresh.)
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Footnotes to this overheated thread
Date: 2 Jan 93 02:29:39 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


I do agree with Mr.SangJin Lee's views.
and it has been a pleasure to read his thoughtful articles.
Here i would like to add just a few comments on his view on our parties.
seems we all do agree that we need the party which is worthy of the name.
the real party which is based on policies not on region.

* Regionalism as a governing ideology
In addition to Mr.Sangjin Lee's article on regionalism,
I'd like to add the fact that since 1980, regionalism has been
used by government as a governing ideology.
Before 1980, anti-communism had perfectly worked as a governing
ideology in korea, as we all know.
all anti-YooShin had been accused to be pro-communism, even though
most anti-YooShin activists were basically conservative at that time.
(it was the limit of the movement. look at Kim DongGil)

But since 1980, the governing group found that it is getting
difficult to manipulate people with anti-communism.
 (although in this election, Saek-GGal-Rhon by Chung WonSik worked.
  and it is another reason that I was disappointed in this election)
They needed another governing ideology which is regionalism.
All they want is to stay in power even by dividing 
the small country into west and east. 

And the Grand Merge of three parties achieved this perfectly.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: forward from s.c.a.a.
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:46:48 GMT


In article 72289@cup.portal.com, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com () writes:
>Spring disturbance??? What the heck is that? It was a riot, and the
>Koreans didn't do anything wrong except be stupid enough to set up
                                            ^^^^^^
>business in black areas. Do the Right Thing did make things worse becase
>it didn't state the proper conclusion that looting and rioting is wrong,
>and anyone who thinks this sort of behavior is fine shouldn't be surprised
>when the Texas Southern University Band shamed America, and blacks in
>particular by looting CD players and walkmen en masse just because it
>seemed to be the thing to do at the time.
From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Slaves
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:00:15 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.

In article <1992Dec21.175411.3386@ttinews.tti.com> sophia@sophia.TTI.COM writes:
[...]
>ancient clothes, etc. that prove that their ancestors came from Korea.
>It seems that some hundreds of years ago, Koreans that were captured
>during a war with Japan were sold as slaves in this particular
>providence of Italy and settled down there for several hundred years. 
>
>Can anybody clarify me what century or war this could have been? 

The first thing that comes to mind was the war initiated by Toyotomi
Hideyoshi during the late 1580s.  He battled Korean and Chinese troops in
the Korean peninsula for 2 years before his death.  At that time...Japan
already had contact with the Dutch and Spanish traders. Need more research to
verify this assumption....

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From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: S.C.K Manner (Re: To Ho Dor Seung)
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:36:40 GMT


In article <1992Dec22.121400.48@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.100424.27476@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
> >Are you a student in University of Penn. or University of Hamheung?
> >
> 
> I happended to finger him (not her - i think)
> according to the following, his REAL name is Hyunsuk Seung.
> and studing anatomy in penn.
> 
> Hey, Hyunsuk.
> tell the truth, who really you are and what your real opinion is.
> or shut up, ok?
> 
> 

Hey, guys, You do not know how to use email?
If you don't, E-Mail me, I will let you know. 
What kind of education have you got?


> ********************************************************************
> anyone will see the following by typing 
> 	hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
> or	hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu
> 
> 
> [anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu]
> Login name: hseung    			In real life: Hyunsuk Seung
> Directory: /lab1/neuron/hseung      	Shell: /usr/local/bin/tcsh
> On since Dec 21 01:28:56 on ttyq0   	8 hours 9 minutes Idle Time
> Project: Machine learning and 3D imaging.
> Plan:
> Home: 4001 Pine St.                     Office: Anatomy Building Rm 123
>       Philadelphia, PA 19104    ywctS           School of Medicine
>       (215) 386-9480            AHRto           Univ. of Pennsylvania
>                                 oUnu?           Philadelphia, PA 19104
>                               @}-,`-,---        (215) 898-7536/6278
> 
> 
> [salsa.seas.upenn.edu]
> Login name: hseung    			In real life: Hyunsuk Seung
> Directory: /home3/h/hseung          	Shell: /usr/local/bin/tcsh
> Last login Mon Dec 21 00:09 on ttyp0
> New mail received Mon Dec 21 18:29:11 1992;
>   unread since Mon Dec 21 14:31:22 1992
> Project:
>   Machine learning and 3D imaging.
> Plan:
> Home: 4001 Pine St.                     Office: Anatomy Building Rm 123
>       Philadelphia, PA 19104    ywctS           School of Medicine
>       (215) 386-9480            AHRto           Univ. of Pennsylvania
>                                 oUnu?           Philadelphia, PA 19104
>                               @}-,`-,---        (215) 898-7536/6278

So, What?

Han
From: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Vincent Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Slaves
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector


	There was an article in Joong-Ang-Il-Bo(Korean Central News Paper) about
the portrait of a man. The portrait was painted by famouse painter, I think it
was Rubens, the subject in his portrait was waring Mang-Gun and Do-Po, it was
Korean young man. This article also talked about this samll village, where most
of the villagers are believed to be descendants of that young man and they are
trying to find how their ancestor got there.

	This article was rather specific about this young man and how he ended up
in Italy. This article speculates, this young man followed the missionaries to
France then to Italy. He studied theology for a while but gave up and got married. 

	Story was in "Boon-Soo-Dae" or "Boon-Soo-Lyung" section of paper about a month or two ago. I will try to fine the article if I can.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RE:TO BYUNGTAE
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:40:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>I appreciate your sharing time.
>I am willing to accept your suggestion,  COOLING TIME,   even if
>I have  pretty much more things to respond to your opinions.
>I agree with discussions will go out of rationality if we are
>out of control.

      I welcome the different opinions anytime unless you mix personal
      emotion and naming games. In fact I did not suggest COOLING TIME. 
      I suggested cool heads.   I do not agree that I was out of control 
      either.

>PS:  I may post soon my diagnostics on the election in diffrent ways
>     from yours.

      I am looking forward to that even though I am not sure it is still
      interesting topic here.  


      Byungtae Lee.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sl26@ellis.uchicago.edu (sangjin  lee)
Subject: ps (demonstration)
Reply-To: sl26@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:42:11 GMT

( I forgot to answer one question. )

(3) Demonstration:

As far as I know, the anti-abortion demonstrators were arrested not by any
law about the demonstration but because they trespassed a private property
or hindered the operation of the clinic. So that's got nothing to do with
the demonstration law. And I think that's the case in any stop of
demonstration in USA. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, as far as I know, any form of demonstration is allowed in USA unless
it's violent or gives damage to the private property, public facility, etc.

I'm not arguing about the existence of such minimal restrctions.
What matters in case of Korea, however, is the Law on the Assembly and
Demonstration has political targets and the restriction is rather extensive
enough to restrict the basic freedom of the society.

1. poltical target
It's specifically aimed at the anti-government movements. When they block
the demonstrations, the apparent reason is the damage or inconvenience to
the public, as Mr. Lee correctly pointed out. But that's not the real
reason. It's been operated as a tool to suppress any anti-government
activities, and it is now, too. The reason will become clearer with the
second point.

2. Extensive restriction
Until 1989(1990?), the Law stated that the government had the right to
allow or disallow demonstrations. So, it was a sort of allowance system.
As you would imagine without any difficulty, it was used to ban any kind of
anti-gov demonstrations. Under this law, the freedom of assembly or
something was totally restricted.
The government reluctantly changed that element.(I guess that was one of
the campain promises of Mr. Roh) Now if a certain group wants a
demonstration, they only have to notice the authority. But the problem is
this notice system hardly works. Nowadays, even hard-line anti-government
groups notice their demonstration to the authority. But whenever the
authority wants, they "block it from the beginning(Won-Chon Bong-Soe)"
saying that it MAY become violent.
Thus the notice system is almost dead under this kind of application. Still
the government enjoys the previlege to block any demonstration they don't
want. I guess it's illegal even under that law.

Therefore, what I want to say is that the argument about the Law on the
Assembly and the Demonstration in Korea has a totally different dimension
from that of the situation in US.
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: S.C.K MANNER-2 (Re: (CFD): GePoDong MaEul Bus (GePo Village Bus))
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:39:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu writes:
| > Dear Fellow Netters, 
| > 
| > It brings great pain to inform you that our trusty MaEul Bus service
| > ...
| > Huh-Poong Seung                   E-Mail: hseung@gmbug.gepodong.or.kr
| > Chief Executive Driver             Phone: 011-82-2-000-DEPO ---- /\o
| > GePoDong MaEul Bus Users Group       Fax: 011-82-2-000-GEPO --- \_/\_
| > Seoul, Republic of Korea           Pager: 011-82-2-000-JIPO ----  > run!
| ...
| However, you deprive other netters of the chance to reply to your posting.
| I suggest you that, if you don't want to have reply mails or to hide yourself
| from the public, just leave the 'from: ' and 'signature'  section empty. 
| Or, if it is to maximize the effect of your article, please notify that those
| are fictionary. 

It was a bad huh-poong...


Hyunsuk Seung                           THIS ONE IS REAL!  REALLY!  TRUST ME!
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu  <---  IT IS SO REAL YOU CAN FINGER IT!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: won@seas.gwu.edu (Won Lee)
Subject: Re: Personal feeling about Articles of Mr.Jo and Mr.Lee 
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:31:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.033518.24285@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>
>
>
        To Mr. Jo Minho and Mr. Lee Byung tae 
        
        First I want to say thanks to Mr. Jo and Mr. Lee.
	I read all your articles carefully.
	It was very interisting to me. 
        And your postings made me realise many things which I 
        could not figure out before. Even though, your artcles prohibit my
        research :) 

        I write just my personal feelings after read your articles.

        I think everybody can blame to every politician include DJ and YS
        DJ is one of outstanding politicians but he is not perfect.
        I darely say one of DJ`s fail is because of that kind of persons
        who support DJ without any criticism whatever he do/did.

        To me, Mr. Lee's article has more logic. 
        And he has better attitude. (maybe because of age)
         
        He criticize DJ but he did not blame Mr.Jo personally.  
        But Mr.Jo named him "far-right-extremest" without reasonable reason.
        and comment "pig and perl ....". 

        I wish good debate without personal blame eventhough he has different
        opinion.

>
>
>
>                  Minho Jo, Lehigh University
>                  Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
>                  Industrial Engineering Department
>                  MJ03@Lehigh.edu
>
>
>My ultimate goal is to build, "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"
>
>###############################################################################


-- 
_______________________________________________________________
Won  Lee                     Dept. of EE&CS 
won@seas.gwu.edu       The George Washington University
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: To Hankyu Lee
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:08:51 GMT

In article <20DEC92.06580130@don.waisman.wisc.edu>
lee@don.waisman.wisc.edu writes:

>I think you expect too much from one politician. It is not desirable that
>the future of a nation is at the hand of a single person, although I admit 
>that the president is an enormously important position in Korea.

President Roosevelt dealt successfully with American great panic. I'm not
saying that it is because only his distinguished services.  But, you can't
deny that he well guided the right way and the normal politician simply 
couldn't do that.

President Reagan's incontinent forein debt became one of the most important 
cause of economic crisis of current America.  I'm not gonna saying that
American economic crisis is originated because of only him.  But, it is 
true that he advanced the crisis at least ten years earlier.

I understand what you were trying to say.  You don't like the dictatorship
like ex-President Park's and Chun's.  However, even in America, thoroughly
democratic society, the president is also "an enormously important position".
The rise and fall of a nation depends on a leader of the nation, not entirely
but in large portion.  You may think that the attitude of nation's people
is the most important factor of the nation's development, but the leader can
lead the people.  For example, LET'S ASSUME that one of the most important
problem of America is "extravagance" and "Inefficiency".  If there is a 
president of ability, definitely he can improve this problem even how serious
it is.  (The racial problem is an exception.)

My expection toward YS is not too much at all.

>Hankyu Lee


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong)
Subject: The 14th Korean Presidential Election
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:21:27 GMT

           THE 14TH KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ON-LINE REPORT

Current Time: 20:00KST

Current Status: POLL COMPLETED, COUNTING THE VOTES
80.4% of total eligible voter has voted.

Current Result: NOT ANY RESULT YET

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Slaves
From: <CHOI@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:34:47 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

: ...joong-all..joong-all ...
: ... same as the above.......  ...(excuse me..)...

Yeah, I remember reading about the story on Han-Kuk daily newspaper about 2-3
years ago.  I think that some descendant use Corea as their last name.