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From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: PC-clone UNIX Software Buyer's Guide
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:47:32 GMT

In article <2525@news.cerf.net> preston@nic.cerf.net (Preston L. Bannister) writes:
> Peter has a good point about backwards compatibility and support, but
> as Eric's rhetorical questions suggests, that is not the focus of the FAQ.

It should be. Or do you want to buy a new cutting edge system every two years?
If you do, and can afford that, you can probably afford to ignore Eric's guide
and just buy one of everything.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: SVR4 tar
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:13:08 GMT

ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:

>I found some troubles  reading on SVR3.2 computer  tar archives created
>on SVR4 machine. It seems to that format is slightly different on the SVR4.

there was a bug in tar as distributed in the SVR4 source code -- and
Dell was the only vendor to find and fix the bug before shipping --

check with your vendor..


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: roe@Unibase.SK.CA (Roe Peterson)
Subject: Re: Streams FAS drivers
Keywords: Streams FAS SAS
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:25:54 GMT

pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) writes:

>hackney@moxie.hou.tx.us (Greg Hackney) writes:

>>SAS was written by Roe Peterson and Roman Dumych, who took Uwe Doering's
>>FAS driver and made it work with S5R4 STREAMS.

>Does it work for S5R3 STREAMS as well ?

No.  SAS depends on a few features introduced in SVR4, notably autopush and
the communication between ldterm and lower streams drivers.  Sorry.

I've had good success with FAS 2.09 on SVR3, however.
From: av@kielo.uta.fi (Arto V. Viitanen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: USL SVR4.2 for 386
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:56:57 GMT
Reply-To: av@uta.fi (Arto V. Viitanen)
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

On the "UNIX Vision" Summer 1992 USL presents the new System V Release 4.2.
It seems like it is fine environment: (page 12)

	"UNIX SVR4.2's Desktop Manager supports Adobe System's Adobe Type
	Manager (ATM) font technology. In addition to MOTIF and OPEN LOOK, it
	is compatible with XENIX, SunOS(tm), SCO UNIX, and previous releases
	of UNIX System V, and it supports MS-DOS(r) and MS-Windows(r)
	applications". 

Better OS/2 than OS/2 ?!

What I am asking is: when will 386 Unices contain SVR4.2 ?
--
Arto V. Viitanen				               email: av@uta.fi
University Of Tampere,				   	           av@cs.uta.fi
Finland
From: jacek@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Jacek Kruszelnicki)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Free, ftp-able X11R4 (R5) BINARIES for SCO Unix. Where ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:03:57 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.


I could see the question posted several times. Never seen an answer.
I'll post sites if I get reasonable answers....


				Thanks,


					Jacek Kruszelnicki (J.Kruszelnicki@bull.com)
					Bull HN Information Systems, Inc.
					US Applied Research Lab
From: pjh@mccc.edu (P. J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted on PC Unix system purchase
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:50:42 GMT
Organization: The College on the Other Side of U. S. 1
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Karl Denninger (kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com) wrote:
: The new release is extremely nice; those of you who haven't seen it owe yourself
: a check-out of the package.  They've cleaned up most of the little annoyances in
: the product, and included a few new things (including one very annoying one; a
: demo copy of Framemaker.  Now I'm going to have to spend some real money ;-)

How does one get a "check-out"? Hmmm...I wonder if I could then test my
StarLAN1 stuff on SVR4.....
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Sendmail on SCO Unix
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:46:09 GMT

davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander) writes:

>>rather than the MMDF default.  Please don't flame me for this ;-).

>OK, but I still think it's a mistake.

different strokes for different folks --

I had the option of installing mmdf or sendmail on my
machine -- and I decided on smail3 -- 

>vanilla, and about four years old.  If you _really_ like
>sendmail, and want to talk to the nameserver, then you are
>going to have to buy an SCO DevSys, the TCP/IP DevSys, and find
>sendmail sources on the net somewhere (try uunet).

why in earth would SCO ship a 4 year old version of sendmail?

-- 
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Gator Communications                              uucp: ..!uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.os.linux
From: kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski)
Subject: Re: What the 17" monitor reviews never tell you
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:20:44 GMT

In article <yPgiPB1w165w@questor.wimsey.bc.ca> sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing) writes:
>exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>
>=> >I have an Eizo (which is the nanao in german) 9080i with the same
>=> >symptoms. I gave it back to get a new monitor, but got a letter from
>=> >Eizo, which said, that these 'moire' (thats the word with 'm' :-) )
>=> >pattern are a characteristic for 17" monitors. My solution is to have
>=> >a 'cornflowerblue' root window...
>
>I wonder if "moire" patterns are also visible on Sony's large (trinitron)
>monitors?  Anybody??

    You can probably count on it. I've seen some very nice monitors (like my
non-interlaced 14" ViewSonic 6 and these really cool monitors RPI has on their
Suns (I have no idea what company makes them, but I know they cost plenty and
are of generally high quality)) all go moire on that default gray that comes
up in X. I solve my problem the same way, by bringing up blue instead.

--
   Phillip Andrew Rzewski                      Internet: kutcha@acm.rpi.edu
   "I was very let down with the budget. I was expecting a one-million quid
      handout. I was very disappointed. It was the government's fault."
                            --- Mark E. Smith
From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell")
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Need help getting X running under SysV R4
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:44:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ilinx.1992Aug14.164414.4121
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.

rick@rei2.uucp (Richard J. Barton) writes:

>resnicks@netcom.com (Steve Resnick) writes:


>>Okay, so I just went out and got ESIX Sys V R4. I got it all installed,
>>and voila! No X-windows. X is installed, but I get the error message:

>>	Fatal server bug
>>	No screens found!

>I don't know about ESIX, but you might want to ensure that you can
>ping to yourself.  You might want to make sure that the environment
>variable DISPLAY is set to your-system-name:0.  Also check for a
>configuration file under the X directory.  It might have some settings
>needed to be taylored.  Good luck.

NOT!!

the problem here is that the X server needs a vt?? virtual console 
device to run.  

the poster here probally enabled all of the vt devices in his/her 
/dev directory.

the solution is to disable one or create a new one and not enable
it.  I could not for the life of me understand why one would have
all of the virtual consoles enabled if one wanted to run the
machine as an X workstation!!

brian
-- 
Brian J. Murrell                                        brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca
InterLinx Support Services, Inc.                        uunet!van-bc!ilinx!brian
North Vancouver, B.C.
        Platform and Brand Independent UNIX Support - R3.2 - R4 - BSD
From: kbahey@ncrsaud.SaudiArabia.NCR.COM (Khalid Bahey-elDin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Posting source to non-source groups (was: Re: FAS 2.10 ...)
Summary: Source should be restricted to source groups?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:20:22 GMT
Reply-To: kbahey@ncrsaud.SaudiArabia.NCR.COM (Khalid Bahey-elDin)
Organization: NCR Corp., Saudi Arabia

In article <1992Aug18.113842.28354@pixie.aii.com> jbh@aii.com and article
<102.26574@incc.com> jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) article
<F5557UC@geminix.in-berlin.de>, gemini@geminix.in-berlin.de (Uwe Doering)
and other articles as well.

First, FAS is indeed a useful utility, and thanks for Uwe for spending the time
to write, and enhance it.

However, Jerry's idea is right, although I don't agree with the method
(flaming, that is).

Our site too has to pay for the news feed, that is the company pays for it.
We only get a few Usenet groups for that reason, because we get charged by both
TIME and VOLUME, since this is an international X.25 connection, and the speed
is only 2400 baud.

Therefore, if the posting of source will be lengthy, I'd prefer, IMHO, that it
be only *announced* in non-source groups, and those who want it can ftp/uucp/
ftpmail/e-mail, ..etc. from the appropriate archives/persons.

I think this is more appropriate in a international network like Usenet, and to
ease bandwidth load.

Regards.
-- 
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Systems Services Division   | Email: Khalid.Bahey-elDin@SaudiArabia.NCR.COM
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From: jochen@mrz.sub.org (Jochen Fahrner)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: How to replace disk driver in SCO Unix ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:47:30 GMT
Organization: Muenchener Rechenzentrum, Munich/Bavaria
X-Md4-Signature: 604239051097c61b5ec4fc1b11797fe4

I want to replace my Adaptec 1542 hostadapter with an Adaptec 1522,
which is also supported in SCO Unix 3.2v4.

How can I do that, without reinstalling the operating system and
therefore loosing all my configuration work ?
It must be possible to edit some files in /etc/conf to configure the
system to another hostadapter. But the looser at our german sco
distributor don't know how to do that. They say, I have to reinstall
the operating system.

So I ask the net.

P.S.: Can someone recommend a german SCO distributor which has a good
support ? We tried two different distributors, both have a very poor
support. The guys at their "hotlines" don't know much about SCO or
unix in general. If I tell them, there is a bug in the Microsoft C
6.0, it can't compile the following statement:

	const char *p[2];
	p[0] = "wrzlbrmpft";

they tell me, my code is wrong, the compiler is ok !!!

If we don't find a better SCO distributor, we have to switch to
another brand of unix. We don't care if our unix is from SCO, ISC,
Dell or whatever. What we need is a working unix and a good support !
--
Jochen Fahrner, jochen@mrz.sub.org, Home: jochen@busybit.mrz.sub.org
From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: FAQ maintainer needs some leverage on Dell
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:09:58 GMT

In <1992Aug21.000654.6386@wrangler.WLK.COM> Bill Kennedy wrote:
> I suppose that my remarks and questions could be misconstrued as twisting
> Eric's tail, so be it.  I'm not impatient (well maybe a little) that it's
> not done, I'm impatient because I followed up to a black hole.  Has there
> not been enough time to collect the vendors' equipment?  Was some of it
> broken and therefore delayed its evaluation?  I can't believe that Eric's
> too busy to tell us what's going on, he has been quite vocal answering
> other items.  So what's the score?  I'm going to keep asking until someone
> answers.

No offense taken.  The Bake-Off is still happening...very slowly.  I've
received one machine from Swan Technologies.  I'm expecting another from
Gateway.  Two other well-known vendors have said they want to participate,
but for various reasons haven't pushed systems through their pipeline yet.

Yes, indeed, I expected to have completed the whole thing by now.  But I
reckoned without the bureaucratic-inertia factor.  I expect now that I'll
be receiving and testing machines until almost the beginning of '93.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: implementing sas on SVR4
Organization: 3-B Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:46:13 GMT

I'm trying to get sas 1.25 installed on my system at home, to allow
bidirectional movement thru my modem (a WorldBlazer).

I'm seeing an error 6: cannot open device error, after going thru
and following the installation information, along with that of the
FAS 2.09 distribution.

Can anyone shed some light on this subject?  I'm trying to get this
bidirection going, to allow me to offer my machine as another possible
news site in DFW.

-bob

Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: jkh@sparc3.lotus.com (Jordan K Hubbard)
Subject: Re: FAQ maintainer needs some leverage on Dell
Organization: Lotus Ireland
	<1992Jul31.120212.18324@virtech.uucp>
	<1992Aug2.140227.12578@phillip.edu.au>
	<1992Aug3.133049.14513@virtech.uucp>
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:47:14

>>Do you have the same objections
>>to Dvorak and Pournelle reviewing systems?
>
>I doubt that they got the systems for free. (They may have gotten a loaner 
>system for free, but I doubt very much that they got to keep the system). If
>they did, I would tend to doubt the objectivity of thier review.  

This will probably be pointed out by others, but Pournelle at least gets
the systems free and yes, he gets to keep most if not all of them.
Read his column carefully (if you can stand to :-).

					Jordan
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: rcp woes on ISC v3.0 TCP/IP v1.3
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:26:04 GMT
Reply-To: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

I have just installed TCP/IP v1.3 on two ISC v3.0 machines: 'aegis'
is on a Dell 386 33MHZ, 'ira' is on a TechPower 486 33MHz.  Both are
running Sureman NE-13 (system says they are WD013EBT when it boots)
and thin Ethernet. In addition, NFS v2.2 is installed.

rlogin, ftp, telnet, rsh and file systems mounted with NFS are OK.
But rcp only works maybe once or twice when ira gives up (usually
when copying a file > 100K, only part of it is copied). The rcp
process hangs (on either machine) and I can't get anything back from
'ping ira' on ira. Rebooting ira lets it run until I do another
couple of rcp's. 

The boards have been switched between the machines (both run the
same strap/DIP settings) and it does the same thing, it's always ira
that ceases to work. 

Thanks in advance for whatever help/ideas you can give me,

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087









Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: BSD compatibility libraries/modules for System V (3.2)
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:03:42 GMT

In article <9208192339.AA21411@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
>It turns out that SysV3.2/386 actually has a ftruncate() call, but they never
>bothered to document it because it's hidden in the Xenix compatibility
>library.  Try using chsize(fd, size) and link in -lx.

On an SCO 3.2v2 machine, in <sys/fcntl.h>:

	#define F_CHSIZE	0x6000 	/* XENIX chsize() system call */	

Experimentation shows that the call is

	fcntl (fd, F_CHSIZE, size);

You don't want to use -lx, in general, because the old, broken readdir() and
company tend to be put in there.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "You can't get lost in in one room, no matter how
sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted on PC Unix system purchase
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:17:49 GMT
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 17 Aug 92 17:59:38 GMT, pjh@mccc.edu (P. J. Holsberg) said:

pjh> So -- at least in theory -- I could use the DAT I have on my UNIX 386
pjh> with any MS-DOS computers that have (a) a SCSI controller and (b) the
pjh> appropriate software.  Hmmm...time to visit comp.sys.ibm.pc!

Yes, in theory. In practice it is also true. Nearly all SCSI tapes
implement _more or less_ the same SCSI packets. So, with software that
does not do funny things you get lucky.

I have just learned of a nice freeware implementation of GNU tar 1.10
for the ASPI drivers supplied by Adaptec with their host adapters.
That's probably a good way to ensure maximum interoperability.

On the hardware front, I have been able to use old Apple DC2000 units,
DATs, QIC-150, and so on tapes with a variety of Macintosh, PC, Unix
boxes. The same goes with discs. Some failures, many successes.

Broadly speaking, nowadays SCSI does give quite a broad
interoperability.
 
--
Piercarlo Grandi                   | JNET: pcg@uk.ac.aber
Dept of CS, University of Wales    | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: stefanb@delos.stgt.sub.org (Stefan Bechtold)
Subject: What X11 version with ISC 3.0 ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:05:17 GMT
Organization: Delos Stuttgart, Germany

Hi !

What version of X11 is delivered with Interactive Unix 3.0 ?

(As I don't have enough space to compile X11R5 :-(


Stefan
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++++++++sed nemo potuit tangere: merda fuit ! (Martial III 17)+++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: UUCP disconnects on ESIX SVR4.0.3 using ZyXEL modem
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:17:09 GMT

jde@esix.everex.com (Jeff Ellis) writes:

>In article <JHPB.92Aug20190016@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us> jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes:
>>I am having a problem with an ESIX SVR4.0.3/ZyXEL modem combination.
>>UUCP won't run more than about 15 to 20 minutes before it drops the
>>connection.  It does this with either inbound or outbound traffic.
>>I'm using the stock ESIX asy driver with a port locked at 38400.
>>
>>Does anyone have any ideas?

>If you are not using a 16550AFN UART chip you will have problems like this,
>at 9600 baud or above you will drop char's and get ALARMS with out the '550.

We have one site who runs an older release of Dell (SVR4 2.1 I believe)
(SVR4 2.0) with a Telebit Trailblazer Plus locked at 19200 with bidirectional
communications using an 16450.  His modem can keep up with the best of them.

So it might be slightly OS dependent as well as hardware limited.  It's
pretty bad if an OS can't support at least one regular serial line at 
19200.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: wht@n4hgf.Mt-Park.GA.US (Warren Tucker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: TCXONC hangs on SCO 3.2.2
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:15:37 GMT
Organization: TuckerWare, Roswell GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes:
: If I do:
: fd = open("/dev/tty01",O_RDWR|O_NDELAY);
: 
: followed by:
: ioctl(fd, TCXONC, 0);
: 
: On SCO 3.2.4, it works fine (stopping output on tty01).
: 
: If I do it on 3.2.2, the ioctl hangs.  (the output also slows down, as if
: something is trying to stop it but failing)
: 
: Needless to say, I need it to work on 3.2.2
: 
: Can anyone throw some light on this problem?
: 
: Andrew (gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk)

Use signal(SIGTTOU,SIG_IGN) before you open any ttys.
This is not necessary for 3.2v4.
 
Warren Tucker, Mountain Park, GA      n4hgf!wht -or- wht@n4hgf.Mt-Park.GA.US
"Is there enough magic out there in the moonlight to make dreams come true?"
"What would you say if I said, 'Yes'?"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Keyboard problem under SCO Unix 4.0
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:58:45 GMT
Keywords: keyboard, control, lockup, unterminal

In article <Bt3L5x.Lw8@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>kirkenda@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Steve Kirkendall) writes:
>
>>I'm having a keyboard problem under SCO Unix 4.0.  Occasionally, the system
>
>SCO doesn't sell Unix 4.0 -- only Unix 3.2 -- which they have been
>selling for the last 3 years

Of course they do.  They sell SCO UNIX System V Release 3.2 Version 4.0.
Just because they don't sell whay *you* think is "Unix 4.0"... if I were
to parse that phrase in a vacuum, I'd read it as S4, not SVR4, so by your
definition *nobody* sells "Unix 4.0"...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: TCXONC hangs on SCO 3.2.2
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:54:29 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

If I do:
fd = open("/dev/tty01",O_RDWR|O_NDELAY);

followed by:
ioctl(fd, TCXONC, 0);

On SCO 3.2.4, it works fine (stopping output on tty01).

If I do it on 3.2.2, the ioctl hangs.  (the output also slows down, as if
something is trying to stop it but failing)

Needless to say, I need it to work on 3.2.2

Can anyone throw some light on this problem?

Andrew (gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: ATI ultra video board
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:19:16 GMT

In article <BtA6Fy.E09@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com
	(Larry Snyder) writes: looking at the Tech Data catalog I see a:

> o Ultra 8514 with 512K
> o Ultra 8514 with 1 Meg
> o Ultra with 512K
> o Ultra with 1 Meg
> o Ultra with 1 Meg with build in VGA and mouse

>I assume the top 4 require an existing VGA board where as
>the item on the bottom contains the VGA.  The point is, will
>all of these boards run with the X386 server from Dell?

Assuming Dell supports the ATI 8514 chipset, yes, all of them.

The names of the cards, from the ATI literature, are exactly as follows:

GRAPHICS ULTRA
Includes VGA, Super VGA (compatible with ATI VGAWonder chipset), 8514
accelerator, and mouse. Top of the line.

8514*ULTRA 
This card requires a VGA for bootup. It's unusual, as the same card works
in both ISA and Micro Channel. Fine if your system already has a mouse & VGA.

GRAPHICS VANTAGE
This card is exactly hardware compatible with the Graphics Ultra, except
that it uses DRAM rather than VRAM. Performance, and price, is about
half of the Graphics Ultra. Also includes mouse, and VGA.

>Is the mouse supported with the X386 driver?

From the brochure photos, the actual mouse connection into the ATI boards
is a PS/2-type DIN connector, and the mouse definitely has three buttons
(earlier ATI built-ins only had two-button mice).

Not sure about software support in X386. ESIX R4 (4.0.3 and 4.0.4)
explicitly supports the ATI mouse.

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 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
    Was "Trouble" (from the Broadway Show, Music Man) the first rap song?