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From: ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (The Dark Kitty)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:25:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.023412.26766@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <BxMys9.8vL@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) 
>writes:
>>
>>What is it about gay people and cats?  Why do these independent, selfish, 
>>aloof creatures strike such a chord with us?
>
>I don't like cats.  I know a number of people who don't like cats.  I think
>cats have become more popular because they're not as much work as dogs. 

No I think cats are more popular because dogs are dumber than a red
brick.  I'll have to dig out an issue of Cat Fancy where they reported
on some researchers who found that dogs have a memory span of about 30
seconds and cats can remember stuff for 8 hours.  They could only
explain it if the cats have a better form of symbol making in their
cute little brains.

>
>>I used to be a dog-person, 
>>but now I'm a confirmed cat lover, largely because of the Bombay mix purring 
>>in my lap right this very moment.
>
>Situational catophilia, someone similiar to situational homosexuality on
>submarines. 

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here but it sounds like the
kind of thing Rush Limbaugh would say.

Well, I haven't noticed that most gay people like cats, but I HAVE
noticed that all the people that I like and can get along with because
of their basic personality traits also happen to like cats.

A friend of mind who posts here occasionally has gone so far as to
pick boyfriends on the basis of whether or not they like cats.  It's
actually quite reasonable.  A love for a particular type of animal
does reveal basic personality traits.

Anthony Clifton
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

> In article <1992Nov10.174049.26088@Princeton.EDU>,  
spencer@shine.Princeton.EDU
> (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
|> I think you can
|> draw a similar parallel to race here.  I happen to be Chinese also, but
|> I don't feel compelled to draw attention to it while I'm having dinner
|> with my friends, or discussing music, or bitching about asshole
|> professors.  If I mentioned "Oh by the way, I'm Chinese" into any of
|> those conversations, they'd look at me funny and say "What's your
|> point?"

Of course. It is obvious that you are not white, so you don't have to say  
it.

Oh, how I wish that my queerness were as obvious as skin color! Consider  
yourself lucky that you don't *have* to mention offhand that you are not  
white. One of the most annoying things about being gay for me right now is  
that I *do* have to tell people, for the simple reason that it is  
impossible to have a meaningful conversation without revealing that fact.  
When I do, it immediately becomes an issue unto itself. Casual phrases,  
like "my lover" in a context that indicates the gender instantly change  
the direction of any conversation. 

It would all be so much easier if all gays and lesbians were simply born  
with purple skin.

By the way, that was a really dense posting.

-Anthony
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:24:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov18.071134.8129@reed.edu>

Nelson Minar writes:
>Feh! I eat butter and cheese a lot. Life's too short for margerine!

Truer words were never spoken.  I'm just glad the truth finally
came out -- margerine is no healthier for you than butter, and
REAL butter tastes *SO* *MUCH* *BETTER*!

>But you're right - I bet it undoes any health benefits I gain from
>being vegetarian.

I tend to doubt this.... but get your blood cholesterol and
HDL/LDL levels checked and find out for yourself.  As I noted in
another message, mine are below normal (this is good) despite
the large quantities of butter I consume.

I have to say that my favorite cheese of all is Tillamook Medium
Cheddar; imagine my horror upon moving to California and finding
out that every supermarket does NOT carry it, as is the case in 
most of Oregon.... In fact, a while back I switched from the
local Lucky's to Vons because the former stopped carrying my
favorite cheese....(!)

 
() An age is called Dark not because the light fails to
() shine, but because people refuse to see it.
()      --James A. Michener, "Space"
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.054551.5904@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov13.205736.9819@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>
>> Let's say that I have a store. Let's say that I have a Gay employee and that
>> the people on this town do not like Gays for some reason. Let's say that
>> I ahve nothing against Gays but that my bussiness is going straight into
>> collapse because these people do not buy from my store due to the Gay 
>> employee.
>> Should I be able to fire him and start making some money with my store, or
>> should I go into bankrupcy just because there is a law that says that I
>> should not discriminate against Gays, when it was not me but my customers?
>> So, the solution is: Keep the Gay until you both are out of bussiness?
>>
>  How do they know your employee is gay?  I think, as an employer, that you
>should have the right to implement a reasonable dress code on your
>employees.  So, if the problem is a SILENCE=DEATH T', or other possibly
>offensive, definitely political accessories, merely implement a policy
>which prevents people from voicing political views while on the job in
>your store.  Most stores have such policies anyway, to prevent their 
>employees from driving off customers who are easily offended.
>  If the scenario you are trying to conjure up is one in which a small town
>of conservatives bands together to boycott your store just because you have
>an employee who is known to be gay, then your best response is to ignore them.
>Setting aside for the momment that:
>  1) fanatics willing to stick to a boycott are excedingly rare
>  2) if you are providing a service valued by the community, then
>       economics will force your customers back to you.
>Eventually, they will see that boycotting you hurts not only the person
>they wish to, but innocents as well.
>  I should also note that I don't know of any political organization that
>maintains (publicly) that gays should be denied employment in the private
>sector.  Do you know of any?
> 
> 
>                              Bri...
> 
>  
> 


<*>  You know, everytime I see someone use (post) the word 'gay', as 
was said in an earlier comment  "Suppose people in mu town don't like
gays..."  I substitute that word with ' black'  as in: " suppose 
people in my town don't like 'black' people..."  Give it up folks!
Why don't you put down your fuckin National Enquirer's, and start
treating people like YOU  would want to be treated.  Stop all this 
nonsense over hiring this person or that person, AND JUST GET THE 
FUCKIN JOB DONE WITHOUT REGARD TO WHO THE HELL IS DOING THE FUCKIN
JOB.   GET FUCKIN REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Today's NY Times
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:54:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <74448@apple.apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
wrote:

> *to* *die* *for*.

No, *no*, darling.  Do not stress every word!  Only stress *die*!  As
in "To *die* for!  To *die* for!" 

Or, in the case of the little Willie Wheaton postcard you didn't
send me:  To *DIE* for!

*X*
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.230924.4289
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <mattm-161192093800@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>As per Lilly Tomlins fabu spoof of "Babawa Wawa intewviewing Mawena
>Deetweek.  How ah you, Mawena?  ---Oh, I'm fine, thank you, Babawa"

That was Gilda Radner, Mel, hon.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:52:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov20.025207.6426
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov18.164556.25749@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>I thought stiff brie was anathema to true connoisseurs.

Oh, probably. I don't like it stiff - I prefer it soft, but not runny.
It's very important that the brie not be cold.

>To get it appropriately runny, isn't it generally sufficient to let
>it stand at room temperature for half an hour or so?

yep! Problem, though - if the brie is old or strong, then letting it
sit for that long will emphasize the ammonia and other chemicals that
make a brie taste strong (and in my mind, bad). So there's a tricky
balance between proper consistency and proper taste, all
counterbalanced against the age of the cheese.

>> Maybe my tastes are just too delicate?
>Oh, I don't think so. :-)

hmm, well. There are so many other pleasures, like blueberries picked
from bushes, or fresh squeezed orange juice in the morning (but not
too early morning!), or blueberry tarts, or.. Are these delicate?

>>Could we make it St. Patrick's day, though? By then I'll be able to
>>legally go to those wine shops and microbreweries..
>Aha. I wondered when that magical moment was to be. Well, I've got it
>narrowed down to a span of 31 days, anyway.

Well, my birthday is the same number of days into the year as Ultrix
(BSD 4.2 derivative) defines the constant for an error message
indicating "too many levels of symbolic links".
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     In a totally sane society, madness is the only freedom
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:09:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.160946.17622
Distribution: na,uk
Organization: insert anything here

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>mccombj@alleg.edu (The Great Gazoo) writes:
>>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>> > >I know a lot of gay people and I respect them,
>> > >and you don't have to worry about getting stuck up by a gay dude.
>> > >Yo, if you're gay you're in the house, just don't do that shit
>> > >around me! Don't try to fuck me!...

>> > 	THIS is *SUPPORT*?

>> "Don't try to fuck me" does not imply a lack of support; it only states  
>> that such is not _his_ orientation.

>  After reading it about three times, I think you're probably
>right. It is, however, incredibly crass though. I guess it
>is just an artifact of being from Boston though. Right Bob? :-)

	Huh? Too many pronouns!

	The beef I have is mostly with the 2nd to last clause,
"just don't do that shit around me"...  which can imply open sexual
acts (which is absurd) and carries with it some kind of
"all gays just have sex with anything at the drop of a hat" or
"All fags want to fuck me" (free clue, hon we don't...) or implies
just openly homosexual social behavior which translates to the
 "I support gays if they would just keep it to themselves and not 
flaunt it" canard.  It would have been easier had he been more explicit
as to what "that shit" meant, I doubt it was positive.  Poor Mikey
probably didn't have time for English classes...

	So which is it?  Neither is very appealing nor supportive.
Finding someone *isn't* outwardly homophobic doesn't mean they are
"OK".  Earlier in the interview he more or less makes it plain
that he likes the $$$ his homosexual fans give him... and that is
about it.  Hey, fine by me - we all spend $$$ in frivolous ways,
and better him than say Axl Rose or Eddie Murphy...

	Now I assume you mean that Marky is the crass party, so that
isn't too difficult.

	Is he from Boston?  (That's what I'm inferring...)
Well, you know how uptight those Bostonians are..... (or just
"tight"), right Mike?  :-)

Cheers, BBC
BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:20:40 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>*grins* I know having a 90% Dutch family would come in useful one of
>these days.  Not only do I know, I *have* a kaasschaaf.  So are you
>going to propose to me?

If having a kaasschaaf is your claim on eternal wedded bliss with me,
I'd like you to pronounce it first, just to see how big this claim is.

You can do ABN, Rotterdam, Amsterdam, and Southern accents. Utrechts
and Achterhoeks are right out.

							FJ!!
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:01:56 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>>>Space Aliens?  

>>	No they're pretty hairless...

>Oh yea,  Tell that to a Wookie or Klingon!

	No, silly I was referring to the "real" space aliens....  :-)

BBC
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS pix
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:42:25 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <17702@bcars664.bnr.ca> Henry.Troup@BNR.CA writes:
>Methinks that the installed kernel ( /vmunix) is not the running kernel
>and the boot time pointer points at zeros - the epoch being 1 January 1970.

No, it appears to be a bug in this system's rpc.rstatd.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:09:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cwis.thaaang.721933758
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>He also has a penchant for dropping his trousers in public.

My lord, you're twisted. Would you be bitching about this if you
were attracted to him? Stop looking for reasons to be annoyed.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rap (Yes, you're still in soc.motss) (Re: Marky Mark
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:55:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: mizar.1ercvsINN3mu
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov23.194252.2446@sei.cmu.edu> 
dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> |> ...i like rap.  even when it is mysogynist and
> |> homophobic.

And you think *I'm* insane and have no taste?!  Sheesh!

[...]
> Anyway, I think rap and punk are
> both basically music for disaffected youth,

No!

> so similarities shouldn't be surprising.

Like that they're both loud and irritating?

Arne (wh spent the better part of yesterday listening
to the Schwarzkopf/Fischer-Dieskau recording of Wolf's
Italienisches Liederbuch and to several sides of the
big Wolf Society set)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:48:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.164416.17118@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>And it's easy for people who aren't affected by Amendment #2 to claim
>that people should be more moderate.

>...

>What *would* you have people do?

Just out of curiosity, why not target the boycott specifically at 
businesses/landlords that discriminate? (The goal is, after all,
reducing discrimination; not having particular laws in place...)

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder

Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: clarisse@keyhole.rain.com (Clarisse)
Subject: Protest Song from Oregon
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: OCA, Measure 9
Organization: none apparent
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:51:41 GMT



The following lyrics were inspired by Oregon's Measure 9 and similar
legislation and agitation in Colorado and New York.  Feel free to 
redistribute and/or perform as long as the copyright and tune byline 
remain attached.

Clarisse
-------------------------


                Disinformation

       It starts with the O.C.A. bigotry team,
       they wear somber colors and spend lots of green,
       they write propositions and campaign positions
       and they'll tell you just what they mean, for they know...

       Red is for purity, white is for blood, 
       and good Fundamentalists are blessed by God, 
       and all Gays and Lesbians ought to be banned because 
       they'll fill your kids' heads with crud.

       The O.C.A. has its own well-revered shrink,
       who helps them to justify strange things they think,
       his A.P.A. buddies refute his skewed studies
        'cause gays and molesters aren't linked, but he knows...

       Red is for purity, white is for blood, 
       and good Fundamentalists are blessed by God, 
       and all Gays and Lesbians ought to be banned because 
       they'll fill your kids' heads with crud.

       They're banning curriculum and passing laws,
       They've recruited ignorant folk to their cause,
       In New York and Juneau and Denver and Fresno
       They attack civil rights without pause, for they know...

       Red is for purity, white is for blood, 
       and Aryan Supremacists are blessed by God, 
       and Jews, Gays and Lesbians ought to be banned because 
       they're not like us so they're flawed.

       So reach in your pockets and pull out your purse,
       we hope you're inspired by this little verse,
       to make large donations, help save our great nation
       and oust the obscene and perverse, or live with...

       Red is for purity, white is for blood, 
       and Aryan Supremacists are blessed by God, 
       and Jews, Gays and Lesbians ought to be banned because 
       they're not like us so they're flawed.


	   Lyrics (c) 1992 by Arlene Hills Peterson
	   Tune from "Red is for Purity, White is for Blood" 
		by Heather Rose Jones

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:09:26 GMT


Where is Patrick Stewart from, and whence his manner of
speaking?  If you've been watching the PBS series "Space
Age," he's the narrator.  His speaking style sounds to me
rather different here from his role in ST:TNG, more rounded,
less "natural" (somehow), more self-conscious.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:28:04 GMT

mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:

>Jim Hubbs (jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu) wrote:
>> >Kinda makes you wonder if there shouldn't be a kids' group
>> >to complement P-FLAG.
>> There is such a thing.  It's called: Just For Us and it is associated
>Do they meet?  Have you been?  Do you get the newsletter? 

They meet in association with G&L parenting groups around the country.
From the September "Just For Us" Newsletter the following cities
are listed with groups for children of gays and lesbians:
Boston, Windham, CT, Dallas, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, New York,
Orlando, San Diego, Toronto, and two here in Washington, DC.
The groups are not all called "Just For Us".

I have not yet attended any Just For Us functions yet.  Somehow my
daughter's schedule is worse than mine.  

For info on Just for Us or the Gay and Lesbian Parents Coalition
International, write to:

Gay and Lesbian Parents Coalition International
PO Box 50360
Washington, DC 20091

or call 202-583-8029

GLPCI membership is a $15 donation.  

Jim Hubbs
Johns Hopkins APL
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:58:00 GMT

In article <17030@umd5.umd.edu>, jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> 
> Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
>  
> > You mean I'm about to become an official Yahweh cult now?
> 
> Jahowl!

  Oh dear, oh dear. What have I done? Perhaps the best I can 
hope for is when Webster's puts it into the dictionary the
origin is quoted as "obscure"...
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Letter from OCA post-election: real or hoax?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:08:31 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.153622.10267@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>	I would have no problem seeing it printed in pro-GBLO* things
>>with ellipses placed in strategic locations.  After all those-who-hate
>>have no problem twisting our words...

>They also have no problem with beating us up with clubs. Would
>that make it right for us to do it to them?

>I, for one, prefer to hold myself to a higher standard.

I'll remember that at your funeral.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.libraries.talk
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Disagreement No Reason for Inaction
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 15:14:04 GMT


Thanks to Jack Newsbaum for posting the items from GLAAD.  I
think such information is useful.  I also agree with Jack
that taking action is worth the effort.

Stimulated by one of the recent items, I wrote to the person
who chairs a committee developing guidelines for accrediting
higher-education institutions, whose draft document
explicitly exempts affected institutions from having to
include sexual minorities in their diversity policies.

I mention this here to point out that despite sometimes very
sharp disagreement over political philosophy, there are good
reasons not to let such issues divide us in any way that
prevents action for the common good on matters we do agree
about.
-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
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