From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:54:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1hq9obINNqpi@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>> 
>> I feel that if sex education is to be taught in school it should be optional
>> and it must include homosexuality as an equal sexuality.  
>
>Hmmmmmm.....what exactly would you teach as 'homosexuality'?  

That it ain't just a sexual thing like many sexually obsesed rightwingers
think it is.  Maybe what needs to be taught in school is a cultural
diversity class...

And what 
>about bisexuality?

No problem.

> (or abstinance, for that matter) Should it include

Yes, is should be taught in a sexual education class....


>a module on bestiality?

How about heterosexuality where fathers rape their daughters and 
where women aren't able to walk at night because of the heterosexually
dominant practice of RAPE....Maybe we should teach people that rape as a 
heterosexual ritual is alright!!!

  Bondage?  etc??  (not trying to be flip, this 
>is a straightforeward question)

This last statement doesn't qualify the fact that you weren't being flip.
Saying something nasty then saying I am not being flip just doesn't work
for me....


>
>> I do feel that
>> all school should be required to have Counsoling for 'sexuality confused'
>> students.  I am tired of the suicides of Gay teens in this country.
>
>Now that's a good idea.  Any schools that you know of currently training 
>their guidance counselors to handle (in a proficient manner) this?  Or 
>would you rather see a counselor who specializes in such things?  


Project 10 in Los Angeles.....


>Anyone here ever talk to their school counselor about 'sexual confusion' 
>and have any success in getting help? 


I wish I would have had someone to talk to when I was 11........

>> 
>> And of course you feel the same way about pray in school activities?
>> You must respect other's values in the school also, the Jew, the Hindu and so
>> on. 
>
>You also have to take a sensible approach; only a small number of people are 
>offended by prayer at school functions, and even they are beginning to be
heard.

Nope I will protect the rights of the minority just like the Constitution
was set up to do.  I wouldn't want some Baptist prayer to my child.  I,
my personal values, believe that they just don't pray right......I don't 
want my child influenced by them......


>The 'seperation of church and state' has been cited here over and over 
>in this group; over and over out of context.  If the majority of people 
>think homosexuality is not a 'good' thing, then it is not proper for the 
>public school system to teach otherwise; some posters have said that if 
>straight people don't want it being taught to their kids, put them in 
>private school. 

Fine....then I shouldn't be paying taxes for something that says I 
am wrong.  I shouldn't pay for breeders to continue to have children
they cannot afford to clothe house and feed.  I shouldn't be paying for
spousal insurance through my premiums for Child birthing and Spousal
Benefits.....How dare your type call me equal when it comes to taking
money from me but don't allow me basic human rights.  And as far
as the seperations of Church and State goes, it has nothing to do
with this discussion....

 That isn't something the majority should be expected 
>to do.   (dismounting soapbox..) 

Our country isn't ruled by a majority.  It is a republic.  A fantastic
system that provides minorities protection from the ignorant public...
ie slavery, womens sufferage...


>
>Walter
>
>


Walter I am astounded that the person I was addressing talked about
personal values and how the state shouldn't interfer with his families
rights and values, I agreed, and now you are telling me that because
I am not in the majority I shouldn't expect the state to respect my
values?  


>> 
>> Bil Snodgrass III
>> 
>> P.S.  My only issue with this supposed Christian is his claim to be a 
>> Christian....but that is another topic matter....
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