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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: CELTS FANS---WHINERS!!!! Re: CELTICS---AWESOME!!!!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.043818.19978@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:
>halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes

>>	The refs tried their best to give the Pistons the game at the end. With
>>about 14 seconds to play and the C's up by 4, Lewis made a clean block of a
>>Dumars' jumper. No body contact, no contact with Dumars' shooting arm, just
>>Lewis' palm on the ball! *tweet* And some people say only the Celtic's get
>>calls at home from the Refs! :-) Dumars had a chance to tie with 2 seconds
>>left, drove into the paint, and was blocked by both Lewis and Pinckney, but no
>>whistle this time! Replays showed that block was clean also!

And you have a problem with this?
>
>That's nothing compared to the last time the Celtics played at the
>Palace.  The fourth quarter started with a huge Celtic lead, but the
>refs put Detroit on the line *every* time they missed, for the whole
>quarter.  What they called a charge at one end, they called a blocking
>foul at the other.  And one of them was the same thing--an
>unmistakably clean block called as a foul.  Too bad for the refs the
>Celts smacked Detroit around so bad in OT that no amount of bad calls
>could steal the game away from them.

Complain, complain, complain!
Whine, whine, whine!

Boston *won* both f*uckin' games!
Put a sock in it!

>Is there some system for getting rid of refs who frequently make
>clearly biased calls?  That game was an outrage.

Likewise is there a system to get rid of whiney Celtics fans who
complain about refs when the Celts win?

--Eric
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE orl73dal73.01apr92
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:33:17 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Does anybody remember when Randy White was drafted right behind Stacy King and
more than a few commentators said he was the steal of the draft and that he
would be the next Karl Malone? Well, the verdict is in. BUST. Tim Hardaway and
Sean Elliot can be said to be the 2 best. I'd put them there, then maybe
Pervis and Pooh Richardson. Certainly not Danny Ferry.
From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:17:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr13.191716.25422
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr13.145911.2786@infonode.ingr.com> prasad@infonode.ingr.com (Prasad Challa) writes:
>>In article <JAVS.92Apr10131512@sabrina.inesc.pt> javs@sabrina.inesc.pt (Joao Antonio do Vale de Sousa) writes:
>>>
>>
>>Can you say D-A-N-N-Y M-A-N-N-I-N-G???
>>
>>Ok, so it's a longshot, but I think a very worthy choice, 'specially if they
>>clobber the Warriors in the first round & then the FrailBlazers in the 2nd,
>>Hell, they can easily take Phoenix in the Western Conf. finals, so Manning'll
>>get it even if the mighty Bulls kill us in the championships.
>>
>
>Correct me if I am wrong. But I think these COTY, MVP, etc. awards are all
>based on regular season performance. Playoffs dont matter.

Well, ok, if that's the case, then how do they distinguish between players at
different positions?  I mean, Robinson might get a lot of blocks/rebounds, but
Jordan might get more points & assists...  Similarly, how would you distinguish
between players like Pippen & Manning, whose numbers are similar in almost 
every category, but one of which might be involved in a championship team &
the other might not?  Wouldn't playoff performance have the slightest effect on
the outcome?  Same for COTY.  Wouldn't Brown's chances be just a teency bit 
higher if say he led the Clips to the Conference Finals?  Or to the 
Championship?  Say he beats Nellie in the first round & goes on to the Finals
& loses to Phil Jackson, then still wouldn't Brown be favored over Nellie,
regardless of the regular season outcome (Nellie's got a better record with
GS)?  

I just have a hard time believing that playoffs don't matter.

Terra
From: schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Oh that Larry Bird
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:51:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkcs2.ku8mf8INN5k7
Reply-To: schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra2b.cs.utk.edu

>>Drafted 1st round 6th pick 1978, staying in college, probably would have been
>>the first pick in '79.

>You mean that the Lakers would have taken Bird instead of Magic?

>I doubt it.

>--Gidi
I think there is a very good chance.  But as anyone should admit, either one
would have been a great choice, Bird being a super forward, and Johnson a 
guard.  But as with anything else, it depends on what the franchise needs,
did the lakers need a super forward?

Neil
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From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Subject: Re: Michael Williams
    <1992Apr9.213436.11473@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> 
    <1992Apr10.140503.16306@ncsu.edu> <1992Apr11.053946.1@galluj>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:26:29 GMT
Originator: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1680

>In article <1992Apr10.140503.16306@ncsu.edu>, pabouki@eos.ncsu.edu (PERRY ANDREW BOUKIDIS) writes:
>>
>>
>>      In the coming NBA draft the Hornets are going to try to shore up
>> some areas on their roster.  Particularly at the 5 and 1.  It really is
>> a shame the Hornets let Michael Williams slip right through their hands.  He
>> would be a perfect fit in Bristow's system.  Williams is making a move on the
>> NBA Defensive Player OTY.  He really has established himself in Indiana.
>> Imagine Mugsy Bogues and Williams combining at PG on the same team!  That
>> would be an opposing PG's worst nightmare.  The Hornets really kicked
>> themselves on the shin with that blunder.

         Yeah, I want to scream whenever I hear about Micheal.  The Hornets
cut Williams when Littles was coach and the Hornets played a half-court game.
I really didn't think Williams was that good when I saw him play in this
offense.  He would bring the ball up, basically dribble at the top of the circle
and pass the ball off with 3 seconds on the shot clock.  He couldn't create
or anything.  It would definitely be a different story now though.

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From: jcaproni@gelfand (Joseph Barry Caproni)
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
	<1992Apr14.151848.48518@uvmark.uucp>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:27:00 GMT



   leader Bird was.  However, the Cs overall defense picks up without Bird,
   though their offense suffers...

Actually, during this streak at least, their defense AND offense have picked
up. Even after Bird left, the Celtics shot over 50% consistently, and even
shot over 60% a couple days ago. Their average team score per game is rising,
not falling. I think it is safe to say that the Celtics don't need Bird as
much for scoring..even while he was playing during this streak he wasn't
breaking 20 often. Rebounding isn't a problem with Pickney, McHale and Klein
(hell even Gamble got 12 bounds the other night).
The areas that Bird is most needed are his leadership (for those nights when
they aren't blowing out a team by 25) and his passing skills.
And with the passing of Bags & Sherm, they still move the ball around enough
to win.

However, if Dee Brown comes back then Bird will be needed. Brown cannot run
the offense by himself at this time. I think that it is very fourtunate that
Brown went out after Bird. Without Bird on the floor, I think Dee might have
lost some of the recent games if Ford decided to use him at point guard.

Finally, considering that their replacements are shooting far better than
they are, I would keep Bird & Brown as reserves until another team's
defense finally figures out how to handle the current lineup.

.                                                    -Joe
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From: jerry@MicroUnity.com (Jerry Kreuscher)
Subject: Re: Brueur to Golden State?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:41:07

In article <563@nachos.SSESCO.com> tmorgan@nachos.SSESCO.com (Toni Morgan) writes:
   We had our final "chalk talk" of the season last night before the
   Golden State T'wolves game, and Nellie was the guest of honor.  He
   babbled some not too intesting stuff, then we got to ask questions.
   My favourite question was from someone who pointed out that the
   Warriors are eternally without a true center, and the Wolves have
   three seven-footers (soon to become 4?), and did Nellie
   think that there might be a match there during the off season.

   On top of things as ever, he immediately answered that Randy Brueur, who has
   played for him previously at Milwaukee, would be a free agent after this
   season.  Then he verbally sought out Randy, who was shooting around nearby,
   and asked how old he was.  Without missing a beat, Bru sez "29," getting a
   good laugh.  Then Nellie one-ups him by remarking "He isn't usually that
   smart."  Bigger laugh.

Being familiar with Breuer, Nelson would have expected Breuer to stomp
his foot twenty-nine times instead of answer aloud.  No, on second
thought, Breuer would stomp his foot a few times and then lose count.

   So, does anyone think that Nellie would be seriously interested in seeing
   Bru in a Warriors uniform next year?

It wouldn't surprise me.  Nelson kept that stiff around for five years
with the Bucks.  Nelson always seems to have a problem when it comes
to centers.

Jerry
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: What will they do next?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 19:42:32 GMT

In article <92107.213311IO11087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>in being the consumate fan, I began exclusively using
>the green colored meal trays in the dining commons here
>at the university.  Since that time, the Celtics have
>done me a favor by winning 14 of 15, the only loss to
>Indiana, which was in the same week that I got a blue
>tray by mistake.  That is strange, no?  I also made Larry
>get injured again.  Sorry, fellow C's fans.      8)
>-GumbyJr

when does your school year end?  :-)

- nate
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: The name is Lewis
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Apr7.191851.2343@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<1992Apr8.124525.22480@ll.mit.edu> <8APR199210132128@rigel.tamu.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:26:43 GMT

In article <8APR199210132128@rigel.tamu.edu> h0j1297@rigel.tamu.edu (BURT J.) wrote:
> Way to go Celts!  Down the Cavs and the Bulls and the Pistons!  Finals here
> we come!
> 
> Go Celtics!

Geez Nate, what is this, your own cheerleading squad?

--
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
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From: jds@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Blazer Status?
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:52:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.211445.221@lclark.edu> erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson) writes:
>In article <74313@netnews.upenn.edu> liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang) writes:
>>
>>  I saw the box score for the Dallas game last night and noticed that
>>not only Drexler didn't play but Kersey didn't either.  How's Clyde
>>looking and what's Kersey's status?  Has Duckworth continued his
>>improved play and attitude?  What's a Whatley?
>
>
>Drexler and Kersey both sat out to rest up for the playoffs and to tend
>to relatively unimportant injuries.  Drexler had his knee drained about
>two weeks ago, now, and it hasn't been quite perfect since one of the Sonics'
>forwards fell on him (and it) his first game back from the drainage.  He
>has been able to play with the knee as it is, so it probably isn't much 
>of a concern.
>


   I hope this is the real level of concern anyway. Apparently Drexler's
wife called the team doctor to let him know that clyde wasn't really telling
him the full extent of how much the injury was bothering him. (This as reported
on the %th Quarter show on KEX radio).

Clyde will play in pain, and knee's make me nervous. They don't heal that
quickly or that thoroughly often times. I know i had knee problems and the
doctor basically told me i was a wimp and nothing was wrong with my knees. But.
i couldn't hardly walk the next morning after playing b-ball.

One Western Conference Playoff Paranoid Blazer Fan....
-- 
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben)
Subject: Re: Sonics / Portland
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:37:57 GMT

just a quick note on the sonics themselves.  they really have repuatation for
being an agressive team.  Even though I think they aren't that aggressive, 
(except Kemp), that has been tradition, so traditionally they do not get as 
many calls.  I know there are exceptions (games and incidents), but when I see
sonics games , EVEN AT HOME!!, they usually don't get calls.  
McDaniel probably helped carry the tradition, just as Kemp is doing so now 
because of his hunger for monster plays (dunks and blocks)
and of course Payton's trash talk helps the tradition too.

I'm not sure how it is going now, but last time I checked (x-mas), they still
weren't getting calls.

does someone have some stats about Sonic fouls vs. opponents fouls to either
flame or support me?  i noticed that in some box-scores posted, there is
no foul column (i'm interested in seeing how many fouls Shawn gets called
for with the minutes he's playing).

thanks
ben

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From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: Larry Bird *IS* GREAT!
Organization: Bis Information Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.151212.9038@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.025346.19469@news.cs.brandeis.edu> bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:
>>>Let's see whether Larry can average 10.1 ppg in 1999 before you put
>>>Kareem into the picture, OK?
>>
>>Remind me which year it was that Jabbar had a slipped disk.  I don't
>>seem to recall...
>
>Remind me which year it was that Larry Bird ***WAS*** 42 years old. I don't
>seem to recall either .....

Next time read and understand the article before responding, that way
you won't miss the point.
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: point guards (who is best?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:25:20 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Apr13.095142.54410@cc.usu.edu> alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>They also took a poll of head coaches as to who was the best point guard.  This
>was the result:
>
>Stockton        15
>Hardaway         7
>Johnson          3
>Thomas           0
>Price            0
>(I guess that 2 coaches didn't answer.)

In his USA Today column, Peter Vecsey reported the results as you said,
except with Price getting three votes and KJ getting none.  I figure
you're probably a more reliable source than Vecsey, though.
From: sdo@claude.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lottery Update! (4/7/92)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:19:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr9.151940.28620
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <matthew.702665022@pram.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>Lottery Race
>
>Note: GB is games behind amongst the current lottery teams.  If Miami 
>actually won 6 in a row and passed Houston, they'd certainly be in the 
>playoffs and ineligible for the lottery anyhow.
>
>GB  Balls Team Record  Worst possible pick
>-     1   HOU  (39-36) 11th
>5.5   2   MIA  (34-42) 11th
>6     3   PHI  (33-42) 11th
>8.5   4   CHA  (30-44) 11th [ The most unlikely event in the lottery ]
>9     5   MIL  (30-45) 10th
>14.5  6   SAC  (25-51) 9th
>15.5  7   WAS  (23-51) 8th
>16    8   DEN  (23-52) 7th
>20    9   DAL  (19-56) 6th
>21   10   ORL  (18-57) 5th
>24.5 11   MIN  (14-60) 4th
>
>In spite of their 3-game winning streak, looks like the T'Wolves have just 
>about wrapped up 11 balls in the ol' bin.

Wait a minute, I'm terribly confused.  I thought that the team with the
BEST record in the lottery got 11 balls, the next best 10 balls, and so
on until the TWolves got 1 ball.  Then, the four teams with the best
records put their balls into the bin, and one gets picked--that
team gets the #11 pick.  All its balls are then removed from the
tumbler and the 7 balls for the team with the 5th best record are put in,
a ball is picked, and that team gets the #10 pick, and so on.

I could understand how it might work with Minnesota getting 11 balls
if they first chose the #1 pick, and worked their way up, but then
how do they guarantee that Minnesota gets no worse than the #4 pick?

Confused
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: CELTICS---AWESOME!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:02:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr16.023127.13281@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, foxjl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (James L Fox) writes:
> 
> They play Miami Sunday, this should be an easy game for the CELTS.
> 

	Ya right. If Miami beats the Bucks at home tonite and the Hawks lose
to the Bulls on Friday, then on Sunday the Heat will be fighting to keep
their playoff hopes alive! Easy my foot! Kevin Gamble trying to guard Glen
Rice gives me nightmares!!!!

	As a Celtic fan, I'm just thrilled at last night's win over the Pistons!
Not because of any playoff ramifications, just because it was the Pistons! :-)

	Some general comments on the game:

	The Pistons never lead the whole game. C's jumper out to a 14-2 lead.
The rest of the game consisted of the Pistons making a run to get close
or tie, followed by a C's run back to a 8-10 point lead.

	The refs tried their best to give the Pistons the game at the end. With
about 14 seconds to play and the C's up by 4, Lewis made a clean block of a 
Dumars' jumper. No body contact, no contact with Dumars' shooting arm, just 
Lewis' palm on the ball! *tweet* And some people say only the Celtic's get
calls at home from the Refs! :-) Dumars had a chance to tie with 2 seconds
left, drove into the paint, and was blocked by both Lewis and Pinckney, but no
whistle this time! Replays showed that block was clean also!

	It must be NBA Playoff time. The Refs are letting the Piston's get
away with their 'WWF Low-post Defense". The Pistons wrestled, doubled teamed,
and completely frustrated McHale (3-10 FG) all night long! But for some strange
reason they didn't double Parish down low???

	Isiah Thomas had a game that only Ed Lor could love! :-)  Mostly invisible
all night long, then down by 6 with 51 seconds left, Thomas drilled a 3-pointer
to keep the Piston's hopes alive. But he was basically out played by Bags all
night long! Bags line: 33 min, 8-14, 1-2, 7 Reb, 9 ast, 18 points, and 1-1 from
3-point land. The Trey came with about a minute to go, to give the C's that
6-point lead!!!

	Reggie Lewis, smothered on the offensive end by Rodman, played a 
monster Defensive game of his own! 5 steals and 2 blocks and he held Dumars to
6-15 shooting and 16 points!

	They probably *didn't* show this on Detroit TV, but in Boston they showed
Aguirre after the game, stop just before he walked off the court, look across
court with a very disgusted stare (presumeably at the refs?), SLAM
the ball to the floor as hard as he could, and storm towards the locker room!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! :-)

	Celtics' win streak is now 7 games.

	Pistons' win streak is now 0 games. 
-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Matt Young is so pathetic, he can even screw up a no-hitter!!!
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: TNT playoff coverage
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:43:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


Does anyone know which games TNT will be covering in the 
first round of the playoffs?  How many games will TNT
cover - will it be two a night (an Eastern game followed
by a Western game)?  Thanks in advance,

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers no playoffs-enter Shaq lottery
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:23:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.16APR199211232348
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92107.092346JDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>In article <1992Apr16.063426.9548@agora.uucp>, robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton)
>says:
>>
>>  What odds would you Philly fans give on Barkley being back next year?
>>

I think that there will be less interest in Charles than some people might 
think. I think that the Hakeem for Barkley trade is ludicrous, and that 
Philley would have to throw in a lot more for me to make that trade.

Charles might just be frustrated, but lets look at him a little closer. 
Would a contender want to bring him in by trading away draft picks, or 
other all star talent? He is controversial, makes a lot, and plays the game 
on his jumping ability. With the weight that he carries, he could be one 
fall away from the end of his career. Also, he's played for a number of 
years already (6-8?), and with his weight and playing style, I don't see 
much of a market for him.

Also, I'd like to clarify, I do like him, and like the Sixers in the 
Atlantic, mainly because of my hatred of the Celtics and Knicks, so I'm not 
just bashing. 

Any other comments?

Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: Warriors
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Apr 1992 15:02 EST  

> 
>Because Nellie always finds a way?  <YES!!>
> 
>And the only reason the Jazz beat you so soundly is because Nellie
>threw the game on purpose, showing a big lineup that he doesn't even
>intend to use in the playoffs, so he lost the battle but eventually
>will win the war, out-coaching the gullible Jerry Sloan and again
>out-foxing every coach and GM in the league?  <YES!!! YEAHH!!! YIPPPEEE!!!
>NELLIE!  NELLIE!  NELLIE!  WOOF-WOOF-WOOFFFF!!!>
> 
>--Gidi

Take a lude, man. How many titles has he won?

Vic 

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