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From:         Mr Liang Rao <JCDR01@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: UK Arc/Info discussion group address
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On Thu, 2 Apr 1992 19:05:51 GMT msc9205@UK.AC.EDINBURGH.GEOVAX said:

>Thee Arc/Info mailbox address given in articles 744 and 764 appears to be
>incorrect, and the correct one should be:
>
>	mailbox@uk.ac.newcastle if you're in the UK
>    or  mailbox@newcastle.ac.uk from elsewhere
>
>Lars Calvert

No, your infomation is out of date!

About two mouths ago, the MAILBASE has changed its address from
NEWCASTLE to MAILBASE. Therefore, the correct address for Arc/Info
Discussion List is:

from UK:          MAILBASE@UK.AC.MAILBASE
from elsewhere:   MAILBASE@MAILBASE.AC.UK

You send an e-mail to the owner at the following address:
                 CHEST-ARC-INFO-REQUEST at (as above)

I hope more people could join this group.

Liang Rao, University of Liverpoo
JANET: jcdr01 @uk.ac.liverpool     or    raol@uk.ac.liv.uxb
From: boss@geovax.ed.ac.uk (Bruce Gittings)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: ARC/INFO Rev 6 for VMS
Date: 12 Apr 92 12:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

All of the discussion about versions of GIS software brings me to an extremely
mundane (but important) question,  which I'm sure one of our friends from ESRI
will be brave enough to answer...

When will ARC/INFO Rev 6 start shipping for VAX/VMS?  Many of us have seen it
for UNIX but those who are not entirely UNIX based would quite like to get our
hands on it before too long :-)

Regards,

Bruce.
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From:         Tom Poiker <poiker@SFU.CA>
Subject:      perspective on Geographic
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GIS is one of the few disciplines that has the same name for its
conceptual body and its tools. THis is very confusing to outsiders
and has caused many misunderstandings.
For example, there are many people who think that just by taking a
course in how to run a particular program makes you a GIS expert.
Equally, many people, especially managers and surveyors, believe that
all that GIS is can be seen in a map and since everybody can draw a
map, GIS is easy. At least here in British Columbia, wGIS
experts, i.e., people who have taken a series of courses in GIS theory
within one of the parent subjects, GIS experts get very low pay and
have difficulties to move up the ladder because they are treated as
draftspeople.

Any suggestions?

Tom Poiker
poiker@sfu.ca
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From:         Darius Bartlett <STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      Re: IS and ARE.
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Steve,

Since you posted to the list, I feel I need to reply via there too.
But let's keep any follow-ups to direct mail, to save bandwidth, okay?

>It's been weighing on my mind...you always use the plural when
>referring to a company (for example, "ESRI *are* (not *is*) shipping
>V6) rather than the singular. Can you tell me if that is a feature of
>English as you know it and the use of the singular is a feature of
>American as I know it, or ...

Touche! You are right and I am wrong...it was my sloppy writing (and
it is embarrasing because just this week I pulled a student up for just
such a slip! Mea maxima culpa!). A company is a single entity, with a
corporate identity, therefore should be in the singular. However, in the
edxample you quote, I could also argue that in referring to ESRI, I
was really meaning "the folks at ESRI", but was being lazy. In that
case it would be "the folks from ESRI are....").

But I don't think GIS-L is the place for English lessons really :-)
Darius
From: nondas@idtuva.kfk.de (Nondas Kapetanios)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: GIS for atmosphere research
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:47:44 GMT
Organization: Institute for Data processing in Technology
              Nuclear Research Center 
              Karlsruhe, Germany

Hello!

I'm looking for information about GIS and GIS-Software supporting global
maps concerning atmosphere research. It should support the mapping of
the various trace gases in the atmosphere on the surface of the earth and
their representation with 2-3D images. The central point should be the 
representation of parts of the earth, and the whole of it too, in
connection with the trace gas distribution in the atmosphere. 

With many thanks in advance
Ep. Kapetanios

P.S. Please answer to me using my email-address: nondas@kfk.de
 
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From:         PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: DEM merging & creating subsets

  Does anyone know if the file structure(s) for ARC/INFO (on all platforms)
are publicly available? A brief discussion with one individual from ESRI
indicated that ESRI treats these formats as something of a secret, and
certainly not available easily and without a lot of red tape (i.e.
some sort of "license"). As a corollary to this, I'm also interested in
the formats for all other popular GIS packages.
   Any pointers to the right sources would be greatly appreciated. This
information doesn't seem easy to find, otherwise I wouldn't trouble anyone
on BITNET...

Phil Oliver  Bitnet PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU

P.S.: If ARC/INFO formats are in fact legally secret, that would also be
useful information.
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From:         "Armando H. Scalise" <ARGG6029@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      TIFF files.
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Hello,

A friend of mine is looking for a low cost GIS package, with capacity
to import TIFF files generated by a Microtek 600G scanner.  He is planning
to use the software to calculate leaf areas, and perimeters, so the
package itself does not need to be too sophisticated.

Can anybody give any pointers towards packages with those characterisitics,
or else, public domain software to translate TIFF format to some other
format?

Thanks
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PS: By mistake, I sent my friend's  original message in spanish to the list.
    My apologies to all GIS-L members for the unnecesary noise.
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From:         LSHYTSUI@HKPCC.HKP.HK
Subject:      Re: Interlayer or 3D analysis
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Dear netters,

Correction of my last email " we should keep in mind not to use MAP, a 2D
..."

Has anyone ever thought the following question before?
"To do spatial analysis of a perpective view (having original topology) of
a (or more than one) GIS coverage?" - 3D visibilty study!


Any more application of 3D GIS?

Thomas Lee
GIS and Land Surveying Specialist from Hong Kong.
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From:         MFLTL@ECNUXA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Great Circle Maps
              Apr

I think Microcam will do azimuthal projections.  It does about every kind of
projection there is.  I believe that it is shareware, and inexpensive.  You
can contact Bob Sechrist of the AAG Microcomputer Speciality Group. He will
either be able to provide a copy or tell you where to get it.  His address
is rpsecrst@iup.bitnet

Regards,
Larry Lewis
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From:         Ferenc Csillag <FCSILLAG@SUNRISE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Digitiser for the MAC

        Try to contact Delta-T Devices Ltd. for leaf-digitizer (use this word
carefully on this list). They are located near Cambridge, UK, but they have
an Australian representative (if I remember correctly). Although I have
used it only with IBM (via RS232), I was quite pleased with their
performance.

*Ferenc Csillag
 Geography / Syracuse

PS> If you need "on-line" technical information, write to
    h2295pas@ella.hu
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From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: Biggest problem with GIS?
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:30:24 GMT


You tell me.  What most irks you or other users you know?

I'm actually in communication with some GIS vendors about
this topic.  Most seem pleased as punch with their products.
Should they be?  What is the central problem which you find
most important to solve?

Thanks for your input.

Bob Jacobson
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:00:00 +1300
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From:         BENWELL@OTAGO.AC.NZ
Subject:      Re: Centrographic analysis
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To Alan Fiermonte re tourism;
Can I strongly suggets that you should contact Dr. Geoff Kearsley (on
Email TOUR1@otago.ac.nz).  He and fellow staff and students have a large
extended research program in this area.


George Benwell
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From:         "Michael A. Neacsu" <neacsu@NCSC.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Interlayer or 3D analysis
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              at Apr 10, 92 12:27 am

Not only is this an actively researched area, but the most significant
result concerns the impact of error on intervisibility analysis.  Most
sophisticated approaches are pursued in a High Performance Computing
environment with Massively Parallel computers.  See the June/July 1991
issue of parallel Computing News, vol. 4, num. 3.


Michael Neacsu
NC Supercomputing Center
GIS Technocrat and Minister of Information :-}



>
> Dear netters,
>
> Correction of my last email " we should keep in mind not to use MAP, a 2D
> ..."
>
> Has anyone ever thought the following question before?
> "To do spatial analysis of a perpective view (having original topology) of
> a (or more than one) GIS coverage?" - 3D visibilty study!
>
>
> Any more application of 3D GIS?
>
> Thomas Lee
> GIS and Land Surveying Specialist from Hong Kong.
>
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From:         Steve Smyth <stevesmy@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      IS / ARE

Darius...


Oops! I didn't mean to send out a grammar lesson. I also didn't mean to
send it out on the *list*, but I must have hit the wrong button on my emailer.

It was actually a serious question as to whether you or a lot of people
speaking English as opposed to American thought of companies as one
enitity or a bag containing a group of employees.

Anyway, I did get the forms that you faxed to me. Thanks. I haven't
looked at them closely yet, but I will shortly.

Thanks...


...steve smyth (ss4370@u.washington.edu)
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From:         Stacey Poulson <stacey@GIS.WSC.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: SUMMARY AND COMPARISON OF DIFFERENT GIS'S
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try the software chart put together by GIS World, it gives a summary
of software packages, price, company, compatibility and use of each program.
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              creating subsets" (Apr 16,  2:59am)

Phil Oliver asks:
 Does anyone know if the file structure(s) for ARC/INFO (on all platforms)
are publicly available? A brief discussion with one individual from ESRI
indicated that ESRI treats these formats as something of a secret, and
certainly not available easily and without a lot of red tape (i.e.
some sort of "license").
-----------
Once again, the need for the Spatial Data Transfer Standards has been made
obvious. These standards, now extremely close to becoming a FIPS (Federal
Information Processing Standard), will revolutionize the way GISers do
business. For perhaps the first time, the transfer of data from system to
system should go smoothly. I suggest that instead of bugging ESRI about
their proprietary file structures, ask them when their module will be
ready to read and write data in SDTS format. These formats will be free and
open to all.
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From:         Eric Fielding <eric@GEOLOGY.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The "G" in GIS
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Us geologists sometimes use the "G" in GIS for "geology". We're the "other"
geoscience.

				++Eric Fielding
Department of Geological Sciences
Cornell University
eric@geology.cornell.edu
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              "Chaitanya S. Rajguru" at Apr 15, 92 10:12 am

I know two references:

1. Levine, J. and Landis, J.D. "Geographic Information Systems for local
planning", Journal of the American Planning Association, Spring, 1989, pp.
209-220.

This paper reviews and compares Atlas Graphics, LandTrak, MapInfo and PC
Arc/Info.

2. Kendall, R. "Mapping Software: Analyzing a World of Data", PC Magazine, July
1991, pp. 249-299.

This article reviews Atlas*GIS, GisPlus, and MapInfo for Windows, all priced
under $3,000.

Yong Lao
Department of Geography
The Ohio State University
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SUB Cristian Lopez F.
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From:         kchiang@ALBERT.MANNLIB.CORNELL.EDU
Subject:      Re: Short story about library people and GIS...
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    As  librarians on this list, I have to join in on this topic.
    My response is only remotely related to GIS, it is rather related to
publications in the sciences in general, and what scientists can do to ease
the process of information retrieval.
     When you cite a conference proceeding or a journal article what do you
use? - the cover or title page of that proceedings volume, or journal, not
what the proceeding was called the previous year, or the previous title of
the journal.  Catalogers can only reliably use that cover information.
They do try to 'connect' titles so that when someone searches for an
alternate version it will be retrieved, but they are at the mercy of the
people generating the information.  Do the editors of the conference
proceedings explain their proceedings used to be called 'x' somewhere in
the introduction of the new volume?
    If an author publishes one article as B.G. Smith, another one as Bill
G. Smith, and later as William G. Smith there is no system in the world
that can, with 100% accuracy, tell that those three names are actually the
same person.  Especially when that system is dealing with millions of new
citations each year.  Maybe there is actually another Brian G. Smith also
publishing in the same field.

    Librarians, more than any other discipline, are aware of the need for
standards for information exchange.  They must deal with publications from
thousands of publishers (none adhering to any standard description of their
work), and somehow create a consistent description of each item.  But they
did create standards and have used them for over 30 years, first on those
revolting 3x5 cards, and then on computer databanks.  The two largest
bibliographic utilities now contain over 65 million cataloging records for
books, serials, and other material. I can't, offhand, think of any other
discipline that could make such a statement.

    Messages on this list have bemoaned the lack of standards for data
exchange.  The proposed ASTM standard for spatial data documentation is an
important step.  But publishers and authors have to remember there is a
link between what they put on the cover page of their volume, or journal
article, and how it affects subsequent indexing (in commercial indexing and
abstracting services, and library bibliographic catalogs.)  The ease with
which a document is retrieved depends on how the producer labels it.

    It's only going to get more confusing as electronic forms proliferate.
How do you cite information retrieved from a database that is revised every
week?  Or one that is purchased by an institution, which then alters it's
content slightly?
     Librarians are living the Chinese curse: May you live in interesting
times.
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From: charles@uunet.uu.net (Charles T. J. Bennington)
Subject: Re: Rob Levrant's Statement of Correction
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:48:48 GMT

In article <GIS-L%92041710150107@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> 815 Terry Frye 753-9445 <A01TMF1@NIU.BITNET> writes:
>Ok, standard disclaimer applies here.  I have never contacted or been
>contacted by GeoLink and the thoughts/words here are my own and no
>one elses.  My sister has been in contact with GeoLink and we have,
>on occasion, discussed the company briefly.  From what she has said,
>I got the impression that GeoLink was indeed expanding.  I had not
>seen Rob Levrant's original posting, and was surprised when I saw
>the correction.  I was also glad to see that he was attempting to
>set the record straight.  There is alot of mistrust of companies
>by individuals and companies are often made out to be the bad guy.
>Well, I say, give the company a break.  If anyone doesn't believe
>what Rob said, or think he might have been coerced into saying it,
>they might consider going to the source, he gave GeoLink's address
>in his Statement of Correction.
>
>Terry Frye

I believe that it would be more appropriate for Geo Research to defend them-
selves.  Though it can be potentially damaging to a company to be
misrepresented by a posting on the net, such statements of correction will
always smack of coersion.

In particular, the paragrapg in Rod Leverant's posting which stated "Geo
Research is the leader in..." obviously was not part of the actual correction
and sounds more like a corporate slogan that he was instructed to put in
his posting.

Companies should be more sensitive to the fact that forums like this are
designed to allow us, as persons working in the GIS field to make better
educated decisions abouts products and moethodology.  To create innuendo
such as this can only serve to confuse the situation.

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