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From: baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: China Lake
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:53:54 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dep't., U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD
In-reply-to: srbechte@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 23:29:35 -0400

In article <1992Dec16.032935.3096@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
srbechte@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Bechtel) writes:
>    know this may be out of the scope of this group but I am am trying
>to find the address of China Lake mil. base.  I am friends with super
>user but have forgotten the address.  it is something like
>merlinp@something.ARPA.MIL but can't find all the information. 

Try postmaster@chinalake.navy.mil, or @scfb.chinalake.navy.mil.

I got this by telnetting to "nic" and typing "whois naval weapons."
Worked like a charm.

> Help please.  This is a base in lower cal. for mil. research.

We normally call it "Southern California."  Unless of course you have
something against it.
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From: trujillo@optima.UUCP (Clorinda Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: ROTC Cadets
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:55:48 GMT

From article <0096518A.D3738B60@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu:
> In Air Force ROTC, and I'm assuming in all U.S. ROTC programs, rank in the 
> cadet officer positions depends on what your position is.  
  <<stuff deleted>>
> The thing you have to remember though is that all cadet officer positions
> change at the end of the semester.  The person who was two levels below you
> one semester can possibility be two or more levels superior to you the next 
> semester.
> At the end though, no matter what positions and rank you held, you are 
> commissioned a 2nd Lt.
> 
> Bill (I was a C/Major, now I'm a C/2nd Lt.) O'Connor
> 
> Bill O'Connor              | In the course of human events,
> Marquette University       | there is always one person who
> 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu| will mess things up.

This varies from detachment to detachment when it comes to cadet officer
positions (yes, freshmen and sophomores remain at one rank throughout the
year).  After field training at the end of the sophomore year (usually),
cadets are C/2Lt's.  At some detachments, rank is based on position.
However, at others, e.g. University of Arizona, rank is awarded through
promotion boards.  The only positions here that are assured a given rank
are the Group Commander (C/Col), Deputy Commander (C/LtCol), and squadron
commanders (C/Maj).  The maximum rank attainable is determined by the
Unit Manning Document--squadron commanders are promotable to C/LtCol.
Positions do rotate from semester to semester and, in some rare cases,
cadets may get demoted, e.g. Deputy Commander going to Safety Officer--a
C/Maj position.
  In the end, everyone does get commissioned as a 2nd Lt.  In some cases,
however, what positions you held may help you go into a particular job.
For example, if you wish to apply for the Gold Bar Recruiting Program,
it is very helpful if you have been a Group Commander (or above) and are
a distinguished graduate.
  In my case, I was a C/Col this past semester and will remain one for
next semester as the Group Commander Advisor and Quality Improvement
Officer.

--Clo
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: nachand@CS.ColoState.EDU (Christopher D. Nachand)
Subject: Re: Cadets
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:30:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec13.221643.25390@epas.toronto.edu> nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher) writes:
>
>Are ROTC cadets treated like officers or like other ranks?  Do they

ROTC is kind of a weird situation - cadets are actually lower than a basic
enlistee, since their rank is that of a C/<rank>, i.e. a cadet rank.  All
NCOs are higher than a cadet, and if a cadet fails out of school or for
whatever other reason is dismissed from the program (on less than honorable
grounds), they are required to fulfill an enlistment contract - they will
be an enlisted member of the armed forces at the rank of E-3 (usually).
As far as treatment goes, in Army ROTC, the only time cadets are sent anywhere
for training outside of the university is if they are selected for airborne
or air assault school (where there are NO ranks - Cpt = Pvt), or when they
go to advanced camp.  At camp, everyone is an equal among the cadets, and the
cadre are all regular NCOs and Officers.  The cadets mess with themselves, 
and from what the cadets have told me, are treated as low man on the totem
pole, which they are.


>mess with officers, or on their own?  Do they have ongoing contact
>with neighbouring reserve units, or even with neighbouring regular
>units? The question of morale problems amongst ROTC cadets seems

Once uppon a time, the Simultaneous Membership Program was in full swing,
which allowed a contracted cadet to drill with a local Reserve unit and get
paid as an E-5.  They would basically play shaddow to an officer and be charged
with officer-like duties, e.g. acting adjudent, officer platoon leader (I'm
in a medical unit where the officers have their own platoon), etc.  The SMP
that is involved with my unit also helps the folks in operations and training
doing the small things that the staff officers don't have the time to do.
Training exercises (like the fall and spring FTXs, dining-in/out, etc.) 
often are done with some contact with area units, but this is not always the
case.

>Aryk Nusbacher
>2LT 48th Highlanders of Canada

It would be interresting to hear from former ROTC cadets from other countries
like Canada (if the program exists) to see what the differences are....


Christopher D. Nachand
SGT  USAR
NCOIC NESD
406 CSH, Denver, CO

-- 
Christopher D. Nachand                "If you're going to dine with the devil 
Computer Science Department            you'll need a long spoon."
Colorado State University              - Jack Palance 
nachand@mozart.cs.colostate.edu        
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca (David Lamb)
Subject: USAFA and USMA now in college e-mail FAQ
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:47:12 GMT

I maintain the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) on college e-mail addresses,
posted monthly to soc.college, soc.net-people, and news.answers.  It contains
advice on how to guess network addresses for people at colleges and
universities around the world.  Based on information somebody forwarded to me,
that originally was posted to this newsgroup, I've added the following two
entries:

United States Air Force Academy
	Cadets: CDTnnnn@saturn.usafa.af.mil
	Computer science: host kirk.usafa.af.mil
	Finger works at both sites.


West Point, the United States Military Academy
	Host names are of the form usmaX.usma.edu, for X from 1 to 18.
	Try 'finger lastname@host', starting with usma18 (since lower-numbered
	machines tend to refuse a finger connection).  Actual mailboxes for
	cadets are of the form xYNNNNCC where x is the letter x, Y is last
	digit of graduating year (e.g. 6 for 1996), NNNN is a student ID code,
	and CC is company (letter-digit, e.g. D4).

Feel free to send me corrections.  If you want to see the full posting,
consult on of the newsgroups I mentioned earlier.
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From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:52:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com


Why do you guys take this kinda crap from your staff? After all,
it's as much your corps as it is theirs. Santa Clara members
would have never stood for that.

Organize yourselves. Threaten to boycott shows until you get what
you want. This is the real world folks, take it from a vet, the
illusion that there's some special little reality called 'drum corps'
is just that, an illusion.

Don't boycott practices, you don't want to hurt yourselves. And,
whomever does the organizing, keep them secret. Ringleaders can be
gotten rid of, whole drum or horn lines can't.

I mean seriously folks, it isn't like you were getting paid!

Greg
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:11:53 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
Reply-To: chinchilla!niel@cars.com
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In article <Qf9gy9u00Zk2IAF0U1@andrew.cmu.edu> (alt.drumcorps), dg4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (David E. Gardner) writes:
> That special pair of socks that knows the show better than you.   Tell
>us stories of your grime and filth, bring us your huddled masses of
>stinking clothes.

I once wore the same pair of black socks for about 2 weeks.  It was
pretty nasty, but since I only wore them for a couple of hours a
night and let them hang out in the sun all day, it was ok.

Niel

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: CURRENT Alumni List - ATTN: Rob Dorocke
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:40:32 GMT

rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:


>If you still want to be added, email me at (rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu).

I've tried emailing you several times, and all of them have bounced.
As a last resort I'm posting this, sorry about wasting bandwidth.

>This information is in the form:

>Name >  Robert Berry 
>Instrument(s) >  Soprano - 77, French Horn 78-79, Xylophone 80, Snare 81, 
                  Multi-tenor - 82, Flugelhorn - 85
>Other Corps > Black Knights - 1977-1982, Suncoast Sound 1985.  
>Age out year > 1985 
>High School > Freeburg High School, Freeburg, IL
>College, Year, Major >  BSCS - University of Mississippi - 1988
            			 Master's - Clemson University

Later,
Bob

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Popcorn Survey #3
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Popcorn Survey (part #3)

With regard to the future of drum corps, it is my hope that DCI will not lose
sight and become hostage to audience appeal.  An art-form judged or evaluated
by any unqualified group of people will no longer be progressive and is
destined to become stagnant.  Perhaps it is to late.  From the results of the
1991 cahmpionship, most in the viewing audience expressed their dissatisfaction
with boos and obscene comments regarding Star's performance and cooperate
sponsorship.  As for the 1992 championship, I believe DCI was pressured too
much from audience appeal; thus, a new champion was crowned.  Congratulation
Calvliers!!!!  I salute you as well as all individual corps taking part in this
most entertaining and unforgettable season.

Sincerely yours,

Don A. Pack
Louisville, KY


Xref: sparky alt.drumcorps:2672 rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:164
From: dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Judge kills (Was Re: Tour stories...)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:02:17 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec16.092646.9443@iscsvax.uni.edu>, phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.133745.6937@hubcap.clemson.edu>, rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>> 
>>>I also took out a judge in 1990.  I am not talking about bumbing him, I
>>>am talking about knocking him on his butt!  What a rush!  I had one of
>>>my better shows that season because my adreneline(sp) really started to
>>>flow.
>> 
>> When I was little, running into a judge was a big rush, but when I got
>> to Suncoast we were told to say "excuse me" if you hit a judge.  Not to
>> mention the fact that often you run into them moving backwards and end
>> up on your butt with about 5 people on top of you real quick.
> 
> We also, have been instructed the last few years to say "excuse me". We get to
> practice while the marching staff walk around in the middle of rehearsal. That
> doesn't mean that we don't talk about our 'kills' amongst ourselves, though! ;)
> (our staff did give us an out...if he didn't hear, or it was to quick to
> prevent, just run 'em over!)
> 
> I remember the time in '89 quarterfinals when Judy got in my way.....pity, they
> ALMOST got it on tape.
> 
> Brooke

Brooke, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on the "excuse me" thing.  I
have marched with you for two years and *not once* have I ever been told to say
"excuse me" for bashing a judge or a staff member.  Not to mention that it's a
little difficult to do this while playing, which is what normally happens.  

I LOVE 'kills'.  I just never seem to be a part of them.  Once this season,
however, the Colts had a move in drum solo with 4 lines passing through each
other like this:

                * * * * * * * 
                              * * * * * * *
                * * * * * * * 
         --->                 * * * * * * *
                * * * * * * *                <---
                              * * * * * * *
                * * * * * * 0   X
                              * * * * * * *

The judge was at the X and managed to go up through the whole thing and get hit
*several* times.  Me being the 0, I got him first.

I guess that shows how we think about 'kills'.  We never want to forget them
for some reason.  And "excuse me" hardly seems appropriate at the time.

Merry Xmas

Jack Dostal
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Early DCI Scores 1972-1979
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:56:48 GMT

greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:

>>1 Vanguard               Santa Clara, CA    91.55

><sigh>

I wouldn't sigh too hard.  I'd imagine SCV will be back on top shortly,
especially with the *incredible* staff they've amassed for next season.

The thing that kills me is all of the former finalists that have went
the way of the dodo:


    DCI World Championships corps placements and scores

    August 17-18, 1972         Whitewater, WI
                                               Finals   Prelims
      1 Kingsmen               Anaheim, CA        88.10
      4 27th Lancers           Revere, MA         86.00
      5 Argonne Rebels         Great Bend, KS     82.90
      7 Vanguard               Des Plaines, IL    81.25
      8 Kilts                  Racine, WI         81.20
     10 Muchachos              Hawthorne, NJ      78.45
     11 St. Andrew's Bridgemen Bayonne, MJ        75.40
     12 Bleu Raeders           Kenner, LA         73.95

    August 15-17, 1973         Whitewater, WI
                                               Finals   Prelims
     10 Black Knights          Belleville, IL     75.75
     12 Commodores             Stockton, CA       72.25

    August 15-17, 1974         Ithaca, NY
                                               Finals   Prelims
      7 DeLaSalle Oaklands     Toronto, Ont       79.95
     10 Purple Lancers         Auburn, NY         77.15

    August 13-16, 1975         Philadelphia, PA
                                               Finals   Prelims
      9 Royal Crusaders        Finleyville, PA    82.40

    August 18-21, 1976         Philadelphia, PA
                                               Finals   Prelims
     10 Seneca Optimists       Toronto, Ont       78.80
     12 Guardsmen              Schaumburg, IL     74.25

    August 1978               Denver, CO
                                               Finals   Prelims
     10 North Star             Boston, MA         81.35

RIP.

Later,
Bob

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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: And now for the awards.........
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:14:19 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <Dec.3.14.28.26.1992.27269@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) wrote (And now for
the awards.........):
 
|>To Michael Fath for printing the article in DCW alerting
|>me to the fact that alt.drumcorps existed, and for its
|>creation, and for being generous enough to post my articles
|>when I was having trouble doing so....., Thanks!
 
Ditto from me.  It was really frustrating to read the newsgroup and
not be able to post to it.  Michael helped me through that until I
found a mail-to-news gateway.
 
Also to D. J. Foremsky (sp?) (df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu, in any case),
who introduced me to this group during the waning days of OTL.
 
Ken continues: 
 
|>To Chris Angelli, I hope you will join the discussion again soon
|>and I hope you weren't scared off by these guys?  BTW, did you
|>ever get to see the DCI broadcast for '92?
 
I hope so, too.  There are damned few North Star alums on the net
(3 total, including me) and I want us all talking.
 
|>To Donald Chinn.. who never found a discussion he didn't like
|>(not an insult), thanks, and keep us informed through FAQ.
 
Oh, he rarely picked up one of my threads :-).  But maintaining the
FAQ is a valuable task.
 
|>To Phil Earnhardt, thanks for the 1989 DCI audio tapes, they
|>arrived in perfect condition....  and thanks for your work 
|>towards the new newsgroups.
 
Thanks for running the successful rec.arts.marching votes from me!
 
|>To Patrick Sloan and Co. for keeping the poll going during
|>the season...  hope it continues...
 
I hope so, too.  I enjoyed being a voter in the poll and am looking
forward to keeping it running.  I have even approached Dolittle about
running the poll if he is marching and can't keep it going over the
summer.  He hasn't responded, though.  App. State must be having
finals.
 
|>To Vince, your alright for a North Star!  (Ha, Ha), said the
|>Two-seven fan.  Catcha soon!
 
Well, you're welcome!  I suppose being the only Anaheim Kingsmen 
alum on the net makes me more your style :-)!
 
|>And to the rest of you folks, Scott, George, Tom, Brad, Brian,
|>Cameron, Cathy, Curtis, Jeff, Lisa, Barry, Neil, Charles, Mick....
|> 
|>..... and anyone else I forgot.... see you on the new newsgroup!
 
Same from me!
 
Vince
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: crossmaN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:04:27 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
Reply-To: chinchilla!niel@cars.com
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In article <18222907@um.cc.umich.edu> (alt.drumcorps), R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>In article 2695 of alt.drumcorps and 51 of rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,
>jerger@d0msu7.fnal.gov wrote:
> 
>|>Also, I remember hearing stories about
>|>the Crossmen, back in the late 70's/early 80's, turning backfield and
>|>spelling "NICE TITS" with their sticks....
> 
>That was probably 1980 or 1981.  Both those years, the out-of-concert
>production was a tune called "Bustline" (No, I'm not kidding!).

Ya know, I always wondered about that.  I bought the Louis Bellson
album last year and finally discovered that the chart is actually
called "Bustling."

It was 81, BTW.  In 80 they did "Tiger of San Pedro" and "Jack Miraculous",
one of the best corps versions of a Gino Vanelli song ever.

Niel

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Tour stories and the BAC
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:38:41 GMT

phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>I remember the time in '89 quarterfinals when Judy got in my way.....pity, they
>ALMOST got it on tape.

Ahhh, Judy!  I knocked Ms. Tomko on her butt at a show in Ohio
somewhere (I don't remember where, just that it was a baseball stadium,
and I tripped backing up over the pitcher's mound.)

She stayed around after the show to help us deal with a morale problem
we were having (namely, we couldn't catch up to Spirit) and I
apologized to her then.  She said it wasn't the first time, and
wouldn't be the last either.  She also said that in the future she
would know what to watch for at that particular spot in the show to keep
from getting decked again.

Later,
Bob

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Popcorn Survey #1
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:19:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Dear DCI Fans:

This letter was sent to DCI Headquarters in response to the opinion survey
conducted by "... a loyalist group of dedicated drum coprs fans" known as
"Popcorn".  

A survey form was distributed to the viewing audience during the final night of
the 1992 DCI competition.  After reading their propaganda, I new right away
that DCI did not endorse this group.  Comments such as "... today's music
selection ... lack fundamental audience appeal, and visual presentation ...
resemble stands of spaghetti being pushed around a plate, or an ashtray at the
end of a long night of socializing" are in appropriate in eliciting a valid
survey response.  Furthermore, I question the rationale and timing in
conducting this survey.  Why did Popcorn wait until the final night of
competition to distribute  their survey?  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
conclude that audience appeal was in favor of the Velvet Knights and the
Cavaliers.  An applause meter would have been more valid in gathering data for
Popcorn's survey.  I feel that Popcorn's real intention was to undermine the
entire judging process of the DCI World Championship.  For example, if the
Cadets of Bergen County of the Star of Indiana was given the honors of
champion, the majority of the audience would probably voice their
dissatisfaction resulting in an escalation of survey response.  Furthermore,
Popcorn could use the results of their survey as political ammunition when
there is discrepancies between audience appeal and the professinal judging
process.  (end of part #1)