HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: creubank@is.crl.sony.co.jp (Curtis Eubanks)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Etymological dictionary
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:30:40 GMT
    <Bxntnr.4Eq@andy.bgsu.edu>
Reply-To: creubank@is.crl.sony.co.jp (Curtis Eubanks)
Organization: Sony Corporation, Corporate Research Laboratories, Shinagawa, 
    Tokyo, Japan.
X-Bytes: 1034

In article <Bxntnr.4Eq@andy.bgsu.edu> chawley@andy.bgsu.edu (Chris Hawley) writes:

  >
  >Two years ago, I was an exchange student in Japan.  My host father taught
  >Chinese,and he once showed me a Chinese dictionary he used that used a very 
  >interesting reference system.
  >
(description deleted)
  >Does anybody know of the system I'm talking about?  Is there a Japanese
  >dictionary that uses the same system?

I have a 1971 Chinese dictionary ($@?72Z;zE5!"(Jpublished by China's $@>&L3(J
$@0u=q4[(J) that uses this system.  The system is call $@Im;M3QiKb{8!::(J in
Chinese.  I haven't learned how to use it, though.  I still stick with
the traditional radicals.

				-creubank
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From: anil@CS.TITECH.AC.JP
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: sending e-mail
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:28:24 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Taken from newsnet:

How to contact specific researchers in Japan by email.  While there's no
foolproof
 way, oftentimes you can guess an email address from the researcher's
 affiliation. The translation from affiliation to email domain can
 be made with the help of the standard list of active domains in Japan,
 the most recent version of which I've appended below.  As an example,
 to contact someone at Akita University, you might try

         loginname@akita-u.ac.jp

 where "loginname" is something reasonable like the person's last name,
 their first initial followed by last name, etc.  If that doesn't work
 and you know the person is in, say, the CS department, you might try

         loginname@cs.akita-u.ac.jp

 If all else fails, sending a query to the loginname "postmaster" at
 that site will usually elicit a response.

 This list of active domains is also available for anonymous FTP from
 site cs.arizona.edu [192.12.69.5] as file "japan/email.domains.

 Good luck!
-----

Anil
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,soc.culture.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Next version of edict
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:51:55 GMT


I hope to put out the next version of edict in about a week.
My current working version is about 31,400 entries, and more
are trickling in. 

Anyone wanting to see their additions & corrections in V30
should mail them to me now.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: How about go over e-mail? was Re: Go
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:15:07 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <92328.1453263363379@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Fraser Will <3363379@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> 
>     Does anyone on this message base play the game of go?  I've been
> introduced to the game recently, and could use some tips to strategy.
> It is the most interesting game I've ever seen in my life: I'll never play
> chess again.

There are several "go" games available on different platforms.  On
Amiga there is a PD and a commercial game.

Maybe we could start a "go" club over the net and use an ascii board
and change the stones as 'W' or 'B' characters.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: -mancer in japanese
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:57:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

I'm not sure if this was asked here before, so if it was, just repost and
sorry for the bandwidth.
If not, I'm looking for the equivalent in Japanese to the english suffix
-mancer. -mancer is usually used as a suffix for magicians, as in
pyromancer (fire magician), cryomancer (cold magician), etc. It can also
be used to describe someone who uses something or does something so well it
looks like 'magic'. Willaim Gibson's book "Neuromancer" gets its title
from the fact that Case is essentially doing the hacking in his mind, hence 
Neuro (mind/mental activity) Mancer (wizard, etc).

I'm not sure if -ka or -in are the suffixes I'm looking for, since -mancer
is not quite as simple as "one who does or uses", there is an element of the
fantastic to the suffix.

Any help is appreciated.

From: arnet@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Arne Thormodsen)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:50:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Etymological dictionary
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan

>Two years ago, I was an exchange student in Japan.  My host father taught
>Chinese,and he once showed me a Chinese dictionary he used that used a very 
>interesting reference system.
>
>To find out what a certain character meant, you looked at the four corners
>of the character.  The 10 or so different corner patterns had numbers (0-9)
>that corresponded to them.  For instance, the right angle in the upper left
>corner of the character "hi" (sun) might be a 3, the right angle going the
>other way in the upper right might be, say, a 5.  You then put the numbers
>together (going clockwise) to get a 4-digit number.  You looked up the
>four-digit number, and ta-da- there was the character you were looking for!
>
>This reference system was much, much faster than trying to count strokes or 
>identify radicals, and it worked for any character.  I never saw a kanji 
>dictionary that worked the same way, and I have never met a Japanese who has
>heard of such a system.
>
>Does anybody know of the system I'm talking about?  Is there a Japanese
>dictionary that uses the same system?

The so-called "4-corner" system is used as the basis for a high-speed
input method on Chinese-language computers.

I have been told that character-shape-based methods of any kind are
not popular in Japan because Japanese are not as attentive to stroke
order, etc. as Chinese are.  This is simply a feature of how they are
educated to read and write.  I have no idea if this is really true,
but it came from Japanese sources.  Japanese seem to prefer phonetic
input methods.

I doubt this helps the original poster too much.  To relate this back
to his question, my general impression is that texts on the Chinese
language often give character derivations for even fairly complex
characters.  Japanese-language books tend to only do this for simpler
characters.  My guess is that this approach is not too useful for the
Japanese language.

--arne

DISCLAIMER:  These views are my own, and do not represent a position
or policy of the Hewlett-Packard Company.

>
>************************************
>Chris Hawley
>chawley@andy.bgsu.edu
>************************************
>Bowling Green State University
>************************************
> 
>----------
From: gt7300a@prism.gatech.EDU (Russell S Peak)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: FAQ list? / public domain nihongo word processors?
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:35:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Is there a FAQ list for this group? Please post if so.

My immediate interest is in public domain word processors
that support at least hiragana/katakana, and hopefully kanji as well.
I'm particulary interested in something that works under
MS Windows 3.1, or X Windows.

Suggestions on commercial products are also welcome.

Thanks,
Russell Peak ------------------------- Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Mechanical Engineering, ME Box 623      Atlanta GA 30332 USA
Internet: russell.peak@cad.gatech.edu   Phone: 404-894-8528 FAX: x9342
-- 
Russell Peak ------------------------- Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Mechanical Engineering, ME Box 623      Atlanta GA 30332 USA
Internet: russell.peak@cad.gatech.edu   Phone: 404-894-8528 FAX: x9342
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: david_f@S3DUB.IE (David French)
Subject: Re: JEI
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:05:36 GMT

JET is a program whereby non-Japanese( and not necessarily
Japanese speakers) can teach English/German/French etc to Japanese
high school age-group. Most of the organisation of
the program is done with the relevant Embassy.

Pay is about 3200000 yen and there is an option to renew the contract for a
 second or third year.

David French
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: KDPLUS
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:34:00 GMT

Please reply via E-Mail.

Is there any FTP site in which I can find the KDPLUS, a Japanese word processor
for DOS?  

Also, which is better, KDPLUS or NJSTAR?  I heard both of these are better than
MOKE(though it may not be true).  I tried both MOKE and NJSTAR and thought 
NJSTAR was much better.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
$@EDJU>08<!wKL%F%-%5%9=#N)Bg(J
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: OGAWAJ@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject: RE: talnet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16: 39:21 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:40:17 GMT

Dear Pnag
I am sorry.  I don't know anything about "talnet" command.
When you get any information about it please let me know.
                                        Thanks
                                             Jyunko
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: huttar@hp750.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar)
Subject: Re: FAQ list? / public domain nihongo word processors?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:28:43 GMT
Organization: IEF Development, Texas Instruments Inc., Plano Texas
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at Texas Instruments Inc.
              The opinions expressed within are those of the user and not
              necessarily those of Texas Instruments.
                                                     

> From: gt7300a@prism.gatech.EDU (Russell S Peak)
> Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
> Date: 23 Nov 92 17:35:41 GMT
> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

> Is there a FAQ list for this group? Please post if so.

I'm working on one.  It's not ready yet.

> My immediate interest is in public domain word processors
> that support at least hiragana/katakana, and hopefully kanji as well.
> I'm particulary interested in something that works under
> MS Windows 3.1, or X Windows.

I use Mule, which is based on GNU Emacs, and is in its beta-test
stage.  It runs under X, and works great for displaying and entering
kana and kanji.
(You need Wnn 4.108 to enter kana/kanji.  You can get it at the
same place.)
Here's how to get it (excerpt from the README.Mule file):

] 6. DISTRIBUTION
] 
] Mule is available by anonymous ftp from:
] 
] 	etlport.etl.go.jp [192.31.197.99]:/pub/mule
] 	sh.wide.ad.jp [133.4.11.11]:/JAPAN/mule
] 
] If you are accessing from out of Japan, please use the
] latter site, which is faster.  Either ftp the complete tar
] file (mule-0.9.6.tar.Z), *or* if you have an unmodified GNU
] Emacs 18.58 you can ftp just the patch file
] (diff-18.58-0.9.6.Z) and apply that.  If you find a patch
] with version number higher than 0.9.6, apply that also.
] 
] These directories contain several other useful files such as
] X's fonts and contributed softwares.  See the file '00README'.
] 
] We are looking for ftp sites out of Japan.  If you can
] kindly provide this service, please send mail to
] handa@etl.go.jp.
] 
] If you can't get Mule by ftp, please send request to
] mule-request@etl.go.jp.  We send you patches by mail.

(Technically Mule isn't public domain, it's "free software"
a la GNU General Public License.)

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From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kanji of the day ?64
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:13:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.181342.12395
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>> ...
>>SUteneko    -   stray cat

This is quite minor, but "sute-neko" is literally "abandoned cat".
IMHO, stray cat would be "nora-neko".  Similarly "nora-inu" for stray
dog.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ron@rss.dl.nec.com (Ron Guest)
Subject: Japanese on a Macintosh
Reply-To: ron.guest@rss.dl.nec.com
Organization: NEC America
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:10:29 GMT

I want to be able to read and write kana and kanji files
(with some English mixed in) on my Macintosh.  I had 
hoped that System 7.1 would include what I needed.  But
it turns out it doesn't.  Worse yet, Apple says they will
not sell me what I need.  They actually suggested I go
to Japan to get it.  Very helpful, huh?  The Mac is
world ready, as long as you live in the right part of the
world (they reassured me this same stupid policy existed
for other languages, like Spanish).  

Is there anyway to do what I want short of this (and that
doesn't cost too much)?  Is WorldScript/Kanjitalk actually
required?  Or is there a public domain environment I could
use?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Ronald Guest
Manager, Software Development    |    ron.guest@rss.dl.nec.com
NEC America                      |    Voice: (214) 907-4490
383 Omni Drive                   |    FAX:   (214) 907-4479
Richardson, Texas  75080         |    More to this life...


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: 601664@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA (PANG)
Subject: Re: RE: talnet
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:56:14 GMT

hi there:

        i have accessed telnet by the getdisk command on the vm/cms
terminal... :) ....you can try : getdisk ftp
        then enter the ftp address..:)


        nice chatting to you..:)



                                                               pang
From: lenam@ausch.msk.su (Maslova Elena R.)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: kanji texts for "Japanese for beginners" textbook
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:52:17 GMT
Reply-To: lenam@ausch.msk.su
Organization: AUSCH


   Dear networkers!
   My friend asked me to type lessons in the hiragana and
kanji for textbook "Japanese for beginners" (authors: Yasuo YOSHIDA,
Naoomi KURATANI, Shunsuke OKUNISHI; Osaka University of Foreign
Studies, GAKKEN).
   I began this work, but suddenly thought: maybe someone
already done it? If so, could somebody e-mail me it?
My address: lenam@ausch.msk.su

   Thanks a lot in advance.
   ijou, yoroshiku onegaishimasu.

   Lena M.
From: cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Etymological dictionary
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:33:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.033323.24482
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov14.174916.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:
>In article <Bxntnr.4Eq@andy.bgsu.edu>, chawley@andy.bgsu.edu (Chris Hawley) writes:
>
>> To find out what a certain character meant, you looked at the four corners
>> of the character.  The 10 or so different corner patterns had numbers (0-9)
>> that corresponded to them.  For instance, the right angle in the upper left
>> corner of the character "hi" (sun) might be a 3, the right angle going the
>> other way in the upper right might be, say, a 5.  You then put the numbers
>> together (going clockwise) to get a 4-digit number.  You looked up the
>> four-digit number, and ta-da- there was the character you were looking for!
>
>> Does anybody know of the system I'm talking about?  Is there a Japanese
>> dictionary that uses the same system?
>
I don't know the dictionary in question, but a similar system can be
found in the _New Japanese-English Character Dictionary_ Halpern, ed.,
published by Kenkyusha, 1990.  You look up kanji based on the type of
radical (left, right, enclosure, or whole kanji) and then the number
of strokes in the radical/number in rest of kanji.  Along with a detailed
introduction and several useful apprendixes, this is a book to keep for
life!  It's the _one_ book I don't lend out.

If it's etymology you are after, "A Guide to Rembering Japanese 
Characters" by Kenneth G. Henshall is the best English reference for 
kanji that I have seen.  (Plus, I like the silver cover.)  Other books
may list mnemonics to help you memorize kanji, but this one gives you
true origins and mnemonics!  The calligraphy is both clear and
elegant.  

Both these books can be ordered from the University Book Store in
Seattle, Washington.  They ship for free within the US.

Other questions -- email me at cw@hardy.u.washington.edu.  I'm no
expert on Japanese, but I do know what's available stateside in
reference books.
From: 3363379@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Fraser Will)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Go
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: QUCDN.92328.1453263363379
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston


    Does anyone on this message base play the game of go?  I've been
introduced to the game recently, and could use some tips to strategy.
It is the most interesting game I've ever seen in my life: I'll never play
chess again.
From: isc30176@NUSUNIX1.NUS.SG (CHEN JIA TYAN)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kanji of the day ?64
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:22:16 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Where did you get the origins of the words?
--
CHEN JiaTyan
isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg
chenjiat@nusdiscs.bitnet
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Q: Categories of boy/girl friends
Reply-To: sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:01:56 GMT

I think it was about 12-18 months ago that someone (maybe Maiko 
Covington?) posted a collection of terms that Japanese girls use to 
describe different kinds of boyfriends.
	dating only; running errands only; good lover; timid; bold;
	etc. 

If anyone still has that list, can they repost or mail it to me 
please? Is there an analogous list of terms that boys use for types of
girlfriends? Please send that, too! 

Much appreciated. 

Arigato. (<-- My Japanese lessons shouldn't go entirely to waste.)

sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Follow-up: JIS Technical Lit.
Reply-To: sommer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:31:18 GMT

In reply to my query:

> Can anyone out there direct me to technical literature regarding JIS?
> Is there some "order" to the characters? (Stroke count; radicals; 
> roots; pronunciation; etc.) Reserved codes? Simplified characters?
> Combinations?

JAMILLER@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu and lunde@mv.us.adobe.com 

replied with directives to Ken Lunde's own materials (see below).
-----------------------------
jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi wrote:

The following is based on my own experiences. I can give no absolute
guarantee for the accuracy of the data.

Kanji characters are represented twice in the two-byte code space,
first in kana-alphabetical order, then in stroke count order. All
the codes map to printable ASCII characters (from hex 21 to the
vicinity of hex 7E). The escape sequences that switch the Japanese
screen drivers in and out of Kanji mode also contain the Escape
character (hex 1B).

Before the Kanji codes there is a code zone which represents
many of the ASCII symbols, various graphic symbols and Japanese
punctuation characters and Greek and Russian alphabets. Interspersed
among these there are some blank (undefined or reserved) codes
that may contain characters specific to each hardware or firmware
installation.

Two-byte ASCII characters (shown in double size on the screen)
reside on the same line in the table so that the first byte is
hex 23 and the following byte is the same as the corresponding
one-byte ASCII character. The set contains at least lowercase and
uppercase letters and numbers. For hiragana the first byte is
hex 24 and for katakana hex 25.
-----------------------
huttar@hp750.itg.ti.com wrote:

There is a great article by Ken R. Lunde about JIS encoding.
Here is the first page, which tells where to get it by ftp.

  JAPAN.INF Version 1.1
  
  ELECTRONIC TRANSFER OF JAPANESE
  
  August 19, 1991
  
  Ken R. Lunde ($B>.NS(B $B7u(B)
  Adobe Systems Incorporated
  1585 Charleston Road
  P.O. Box 7900
  Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  (415)361-1702 (home)
  (415)962-3866 (office)
  (415)960-0886 (fax)
  lunde@adobe.com
  
       This article is a description of how to send and receive *real* Japanese 
  text (i.e., kana and kanji) using electronic mail. I am absolutely delighted 
  to share this information with others, and I would appreciate any comments on 
  its content. Since some of the information contained within changes on a 
  monthly, even weekly basis, I keep the current copy in electronic form. The 
  current version of this article will be made available at two places: by 
  anonymous FTP at ucdavis.edu (128.120.2.1) in the pub/JIS directory under the 
  name japan.inf; and by contacting me directly through electronic mail to 
  request a copy -- my electronic mail address is given above.
  
  Internet address:                     lunde@adobe.com
  Addressing template on CompuServe:    >INTERNET:lunde@adobe.com
-------------------
I thank again those who replied with great info.

I hope this helps those of you out there with similar Qs.
From: zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Etymological dictionary
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:59:55 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Nov16.040217.24038@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
>Chris Hawley (chawley@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>> To find out what a certain character meant, you looked at the four corners
>> of the character.  The 10 or so different corner patterns had numbers (0-9)
>> that corresponded to them.  For instance, the right angle in the upper left
>> corner of the character "hi" (sun) might be a 3, the right angle going the
>> other way in the upper right might be, say, a 5.  You then put the numbers
>> together (going clockwise) to get a 4-digit number.  You looked up the
>> four-digit number, and ta-da- there was the character you were looking for!
>
>I think this is one of the chinese computer input.  Maybe you can look
>up some chinese word processors to find the name. 
>Isn't remembering the numbers more difficult than remembering the
>radicals?
 
First of all, you do not have to remember the number for every word.
You just have to remember ten different patterns, which is
pretty easy.

I believe the system is "Si Jiao Hao Ma" in Chinese, and from 
my own experience this system is definitely a faster one.  For
complex characters, this system works well, but for some simple
charaters, this system is difficult to use unless you are very
killful.  There are a lot of Chinese dictionaries using this
system but I do not know whether there is a Japanese dictionary
which use the same system too.

Yaoen Zhang

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