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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Alien 3
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:03:07 GMT


ken@batman.aust\in.ibm.com writes...

>> Didja ever stop to think that THERE WERE NO CANNONS IN THE FIRST
>> FILM! NO GUNS! NO NOTHING!

 >  Oh yes there was! At the point where the crew are about to go outside
>on the planet to investigate the beacon, Dallas clearly says "Let's
>break out the weapons". Later when they first discover the alien ship,
>Dallas can be seen carrying a multi-barrelled thing - definately a gun
>of some sort. The fact that they never used these against the alien is
>never explained (flaw in the film?) I put down to them knowing that the
>acid blood would be big trouble if it leaked on the Nostromo. I reckon
>if they had fired it at the alien it would have blown up just as
>spectacularly as those in "Aliens", but that would have been the end of
>the Nostromo.

	It was a good observation to see that Dallas was carrying something.
	HOWEVER, it is really wishful thinking that the Nostromo, an
	M class starfreighter, NOT a military frigate, would have such
	a heavy piece of equipment.  Such a weapon would not be practical
	or even allowed for a seven-man crew of a space tug.

	The Nostromo did have weapons, though.  The flamethrowers, namely.
	The are safe enough to use in starships because it removes the threat
	of penetrating the hull and having explosive decompression take
	place.  They also had to resort to jury rigging some devices,
	cattle prods and motion trackers.  In other words, they were not
	well equipped to handle their situation.  Face it, these guys are
	essentially techno truck drivers!

	What you probably DID see was a portable winch that was used to lower
	Cain into to the egg nest area.  Somebody had to bring it there!


			"What the hell is this??"
				- Cain,  Alien


						- Rob

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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Disney teams with Merchant-Ivory
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:49:13 GMT

In article <Bs5ots.8KD@cs.columbia.edu> d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang) writes:
>From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
>> 
>> Very interesting news in the "Daily Magazine" section of the Philadelphia
>> Inquirer today...
>> 
>> 	Walt Disney Studios has signed a three-year deal with the
>> 	director/producer team Ismail Merchant and James Ivory, 
>
>I thought at first that the $12 million upper limit was a bit tight,
>but, as reported in the NY Times, A Room with a View cost only $3 million,
>and Howards End just $8 million.  The Disney people were understandably
>shocked at the low budgets and estimated that Howards End would've cost
>them at least $20 million.  

I don't really know for certain, but have Merchant and Ivory typically
worked with union crews?  Not using union crews is one way of limiting
expenses (especially when you've already lopped off the immense star
and director salaries and still need to cut more).  However, if they are
working under the Disney banner, they will be required to use union crews,
since Disney has a contract with the various unions.  That might edge their
budgets up, a bit, but, unless they practice other Hollywood money-spending
ways, they'll still stay under $12 million.

Disney has recent experiences with fairly low budgets, themselves.  "White
Fang", a picture requiring difficult location shooting and historical
costume, came in for well under $10 million.  It's amazing how much you
can save when none of the actors gets paid anything close to $1 million.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Dr. Strangelove - last line ???
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:01:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.040144.55906@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dfk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (David F. Keppel) writes:
> Great movie!!!
>
> For the ending I got the dialog, but I cant figure out exactly what
> the Soviet Ambassador is operating when he goes off to the side. Is
> this some kind of transmitter or a detonator? Is he helping blow up the
> world right from the War-room?

No, I think it's a spy camera.  He's taking pictures of the big map.

> Another trivial note: The B-52 that drops the bombs had something inscribed
> on the back of each. Something like "Hi Bob!" or something, dont remember
> off hand.  Does anybody know the significance of this?

It's a common practice in the military topaint messages or jokes on
the warheads of bombs and missiles.

Paul
-- 
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                   differently.
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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: BOOMERANG
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:00:10 GMT

lmiller@lucy.claremont.edu writes:

>Getting worse?!  He has matured and that maturity is evident through not only
>his choice in movies but interviews and articles he, himself, has written.  

Yeah, but he just ain't funny anymore.  He used to come on talk shows (esp.
Arsenic) and just do non-stop schtick.  Now he comes on and dazzles us with
his brilliant(!) insights on religion and the electoral process.  Even
worse, he's disavowed much of his previous material (e.g. Raw), much of
which was "angry-young-man", but was also reasonably insightful.

Eddie has become one with the sensitive 90's, and it just makes me sick.  Sorry kids, but if I want to see a black Cary Grant, I'd rather watch Denzel.
--
Dave!
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:53:06 -0400 
From: "H. Scott Matthews" <hm0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: What happened to quote results?

Has anybody seen the answers / results to steve hammond's last movie
quote quiz?  I think repsonses were due around the 14th, but I havent
seen anything since...

steve?
anybody?

thanks
scott

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From: maureenw@sco.COM (Maureen Wilkes)
Subject: Re: Midnight Movies
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.023520.27824@walter.cray.com> matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese) writes:
>
>4) Plan Nine From Outer Space (Is it "The Worst Movie ever Made?". Watch
>			       and decide for yourself. Can you prove that
>			       it DIDN'T happen?)
>
Yes this is the BEST worst movie ever made!  
The scenery, the strings attached to the UFOs, the fact that Bela Lugosi 
(sp?) died in the middle of filming, the lead actress who is reminiscent
of Morticia Addams on ludes, the announcer, and the SCRIPT!  What a script!   
Yup, for an evening of side splitting, bladder bursting hilarity, PLAN 9
can't be beat!
From: chan_r@wdi.COM (Robin Chan x2508)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Woman in For Your Eyes Only
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:24:19 GMT
Organization: Western Digital - Imaging, Mtn. View, CA

In article <1992Jul22.021919.10897@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui) writes:
> What other films has Carol Bouquet (sp?) (the crossbow lady) of
> For Your Eyes Only been in?  I seem to remember her in Bunuel's
> The Obscure Object of Desire but I'm not sure.  Anything else?
> Curt Tsui            

  Yes, she's one of the 2 ladies in "The Obscure Object of Desire".
  And she was also in "Too Beautiful for Me" as Depardieu's wife.
  Robin
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Subject: Re: RASPUTIN
From: john@spss.com (John Przyborowski)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:54:08 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.



"much of the film is static and slow, as Russian films often are"?

what?


"The Battleship Potemkin" by Sergei Eisenstein, the film that anyone
who's ever taken a film class has seen, is "static and slow"?

Why don't add--

"much of the film is gratuitous violence and sex, poorly written at that,
as American films often are"  :) :) :) 


Then you could call "Citizen Kane" a the archetypical American film with
*real* conviction. :)

john
SPSS
From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Myths or Movies? (Batman 3)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:25:11 GMT


In a previous article, bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon) says:

>
>My knowledge of batman 3 is that it is only in the 'thinking about it' 
>stage at the moment, but recent rumour at the Burbank studios was that
>they were thinking of bringing robin into it... ARGG ! NO. And even worse
>they are thinking that robin will be a woman (current suggestion being
>winona ryder) or black ( current suggestion michael jackson ). Now I hope
>this rumour is a mistake, for the sake of the film and everyone working
>on it. Can you really see mr jackson as robin.

I don't have any problems with Robin being a woman and/or black as long
as they do it intelligently.  Good script and good casting.  Of course,
that takes miracles these days from Hollywood.

C. Gibbs
From: traveler@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: pornocchio (1992- A.K.A. Cool World)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:21:46 GMT
Reply-To: traveler
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Jul25.145338.24068@news.acns.nwu.edu>, bart@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bart Gold) writes...
> 
>     Pornocchio- the story of an animated character trying to become real
>through sex.
> 
>     P.S.- it's not worth six bucks.
> 
>   +-----+  Bart@Casbah.acns.nwu.edu |  Q: What do you get when you cross   
> B |   79|                           |   a deadhead with a skinhead?
>   | Au  |  "What are the armaments  |  
>   +-----+   on the lollipop?"       |  A: Dandruff.
	Agreed.
	No plot, stupid dialogue, cheesy sets, weird and pointless
animation.  I could have written the story in 2 minutes, but it
sucked so bad I would have thrown it away.  It's amazing to me
how huge gobs of money can be foudn for tripe like this, while
quality films go unmade.
	(I liked the soundtrack though...I have a weakness for
techno-industrial dance music...  :)    :

-----------------------------------------------------
Max Clarke				/o)\
TRAVELER				\(o/
-----------------------------------------------------
"It's just bad...though it's not drawn that way."
From: kristinat@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Favorite movie musicals
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:12:01 GMT
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

This one's no contest:  Singin' In the Rain

Also:  Gigi, My Fair Lady, Music Man, 1776, and Oliver!

Speaking of musicals, what ever happened to the movie version of Les
Miserables?  Anyone know its status?  

Be seeing you,
Little Pine Weasel

"I feel like I've sat through back-to-back operas."  -- Doc Hayward
From: adam@zooid.guild.org (Adam Lawrence Salter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: RE: Info wanted on Jeffery Norton, READ THIS!
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:39:13 GMT


  Thanks, to the people who replied to my question about Jeffery Norton
publishers. I've got their address and number, they are now called Audio Forum 
and the info is:
 
        Try this address: On-The-Green, Guilford, CT  06437. 
        Or phone:  800-243-1234 

in case anyone wanted to know.


                                                              adam
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From: hedges@pilot.njin.net (Douglas Hedges)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: george miller
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:07:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

PAK114@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Ok, how about this.  Which George Miller produced DEAD CALM for Phil Noyce?
>I say DR. George...

Correct.  Dr. George who was also a 2nd unit director on
that film if I recall correctly.
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:07:05 GMT
	<1992Jul24.222204.11042@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
In-reply-to: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com's message of 24 Jul 92 22:22:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222204.11042@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

> Also, I agree with much of your list, and consider Wonderful Life
> as a personal favorite, but what is it that makes it so much more
> complicated (or "rich in plot") than T2?

Real people enduring real crises and confronted with
real moral dillemas and real decisions, combined with
real dialogue involving real issues (large and small)
and real losses and real victories and ...
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: james bond trivia
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:04:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.1489.25003@channel1>, eric.walker@channel1.com (eric walker) writes...

}PI> came out cira 1978 (approximately), and before the movie "Never Say
}PI> Never Again" cira 1985 (approximately) with Sean Connery. He says
}PI> that NSNA came out in the 1960-1970's, BEFORE "Moonraker". We have
}PI> twenty dollars riding on thi

} Leonard Maltin's Video Movie Guide lists the release date of
} "Never Say Never Again" as 1983.

NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN came out the same year as OCTOPUSSY. In fact, the
original plan was that Warner would release NSNA at about the same time
as OCTOPUSSY and play up their ad campaign around a "battle of the Bonds"
and the fact that the "real Bond" is back. But they chickened out, and
UA released OCTOPUSSY during the summer while Warner held off on NSNA
until November of that year.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: HK Movies (Was: Diary of a Hitman)
Keywords: frogs evil
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:05:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul28.170549.14019
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Jul28.073210.2981@athena.mit.edu> eprice@sql.sybase.com writes:

>>In my opinion, A BETTER TOMORROW 3 was much worse than LETHAL WEAPONS 3.
>
>Well, that I find shocking.  I always try to make allowances for
>differences of taste, but I thought LW3 was horrendously bad.  It was
>boring, predictable, stupid, no excitement at all, and had a truly
>moronic script (the few good lines of which were all in the previews).
>
>>At least LW3 has entertainment value with a not-that-difficult-to-believe
>>storyline.
>
>No, it didn't entertain me at all.  The storyline was idiotic and
>incoherent.
>
>>And the direction is at least not bad.
>
>I thought it sucked.  NB: I am not going to give reasons for this
>statement, because to do so I would have to watch the movie again.
>Please spare me that! :-)

You know, reverse the films here and I could agree with almost everything
that was said.  I perhaps wouldn't say that "A Better Tomorrow III" was
"horrendously bad", but I would call it a truly mediocre film, and 
all of the other decriptive phrases above would seem reasonable to me.
Just goes to show that taste is a funny thing.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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From: marck@nwu.edu (Jater & Co.)
Subject: Re: The QUIET EARTH- what happenned? (***kind of SPOILER***)
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: NU ACNS
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:42:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.170417.3895@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
bart@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bart Gold) wrote:
> 
>      I just saw the Quiet earth yesterday.
> 
>      I'd like your opinions what happenned at the end?
>      Where was zac? What was it like on earth at that same point if zac
> wasn't on earth??


apparently, the makers of the film were *assuming* that you had read the
book, because they didn't make it very obvious precisely what happened.  if
you'd read the book, it would have been clear.

i *didn't* read the book, but i *did* ask the people at the video store
what they thought had happened, and one of them had read the book.  so here
it is, to the best of my recollection:

remember how the three people in the film had discovered what they all had
in common to survive the first wave?  they had all been close to death. 
the two effects of the machine that was operating was to a) make everyone
who wasn't near death disappear, and b) throw the planet into some sort of
"parallel universe," or at least entirely *rearrange* the universe.  that
much we knew from watching the film (if you hung with it.)

okay.  now:  the guy at the end of the film drives the truck with the
explosives into the virtual "center" of the machine and the whole thing
blows up, thus killing him.  right?  well, *so we think.*  what has
actually happened is that the explosion didn't occur in time to stop the
next "wave" (or whatever you want to call what happened) from happening
again ... this time much stronger.  so the other two people he'd met (the
ones who had just had sex) and anyone else in the world who wasn't close to
death was killed.

but the guy driving the truck, by virtue of being in the middle of the
explosion, was, once again *on the verge of death*, and was thus spared
from death again.  only now the universe was entirely rearranged.  the last
image we see is of the last human life standing on an entirely alienated
planet.

does any of this make sense?  god.  i'm sure there are others out there who
can do a better job of explaining than me.  i'm sure some of you have read
the book.

it was an okay movie.



mlb

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From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Comfort of Strangers
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:58:21 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <ataylor.711821083@uclagsm> ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor) writes:
>dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>
>
>>Has anyone seen the movie "Comfort of Strangers" with screenplay by
>>Harold Pinter?
>
>>If you understood the movie, please explain. It was too cryptic for me.
>
>
>I saw the movie and understood that it sucked.
>

Yes it appeared like that to me too. However, as no less than Harold Pinter
wrote it, I thought that there must be some deep meaning in it somewhere
that I missed?

Anybody give me a clue?
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: HONEY, I BLEW UP THE KID & Bored the pants off everyone else.
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:05:41 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Jul27.95507.8919@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)  
writes:
> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
> >
> >At least they had the wit and imagination to come up with a title  
other
> >than HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS II.
> >
> And after that monumental bit of effort, they rested. I was impressed
> into duty over the week end to accompany two small (9 & 11) year
> olds to view this madcap mixup of melody and mirth. They enjoyed it,  
although 
> one has been known to keep a hermit crab as a pet. As for myself, I
> was embarrassed for everyone involved, although I was pleased that
> Marcia Strassman looked as lovely as ever.

I disagree. I liked it.  I thought it was a lot of fun.  The story
line was nice, the characters OK, the effects very good.  There were
also a few nice movie jokes in it.

--
Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer
From: bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Myths or Movies? (Batman 3)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:10:20 GMT
Organization: IXI Ltd.


My knowledge of batman 3 is that it is only in the 'thinking about it' 
stage at the moment, but recent rumour at the Burbank studios was that
they were thinking of bringing robin into it... ARGG ! NO. And even worse
they are thinking that robin will be a woman (current suggestion being
winona ryder) or black ( current suggestion michael jackson ). Now I hope
this rumour is a mistake, for the sake of the film and everyone working
on it. Can you really see mr jackson as robin.


Scene 27 - Dark back alley.

BATMAN:  Quick robin to the batmobile !
ROBIN :  OOW! <Does quick spin>


But on a plus point they are looking at using riddler ( current suggestion
robin williams )

We shall have to wait and see.

-Bov!





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From: gelly@persoft.com (Mitch Gelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Saltgirl: Pulling a fast one
Keywords: lambic, ferment, barleywine
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:15:58 GMT
Organization: Persoft, Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.093755.21336@specialix.co.uk> kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza) writes:
>I think there is just too much emphasis on performance, for instance, I very 
>often like to make my partner cum without actually having an orgasm myself,
>but this can be dangerous - because many women seem to have the attitude that
>you have to ejaculate in order to complete the act - so I find myself
>pretending (hard if you're a guy - but wearing a condom helps) just so she
>will let me off of her. So - you see - it cuts both ways.
>
>Kamal
 
Hmmmm... interesting review. Where can this 'film' be viewed ? ;->

  Mitch

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