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From: hedin@diku.dk (Carsten S|rensen)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:52:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

>	We should also note that the world Hell is derived from the Norse  
>goddess Hel (Hel is a goddess-- I don't think that has been mentioned yet,  
>and might disqualify her as a "god of the underworld").
>	Previous to the appropriation of the easy-to-say word "Hell", the  
>Christian land of the damned was called all sorts of things-- Pandemonium,  
>the Inferno, etc.
>	The use of the word Hell, like the reverence of the Virgin Mary,  
>the celebration of Christmas in December, trees on Christmas, eggs on  

What was the meaning of trees in the pagan winter-solstice rituals ?

>Easter, etc.  is an interesting pagan carry-over in modern Christianity.   
>I think that this mixture of myths might be an interesting discussion  
>topic-- anyone going to bite?
>					Ben Cushman
>					Reed College

What about christian children being named after old gods like Thor and Frey ?

I think those things are good evidence of public resistance to cristianity
when it was new in the northern countries. 

It is a historical fact that christianity was brought into Saxony and the
Netherlands by Charlemagne by brutal force. I Scandinavia christianity
was introdused by kings and chiefs, whith stong international connections,
but people at home often had to be convinced by force.

When king Horik allowed Ansgar to build his first chirch in Hedeby in Denmark
the citicens were so outraged about the ringing that they took the bell
and threw it into the harbour. (This is not historical fact but the bell has
really been found in the harbour during excavations). And it is known that
the bishop Ansgar was attacked by pagans during his travels in Scandinava
and robbed all his prescious books. And later his whole town Hamborg was
plundered and burnt by vikings.

Later there was some kind of civil war between the christian Harald Bluetooth
and his pagan son Svend Forkbeard, where Harald was killed.

I have also heard about some Norwegian king making a cruel crusade against
the asatro.

And late in the middleages christian priests had to confiscate odin- and
thorstatues from people in order to stop the paganism.

Carsten Soerensen
hedin@freja.diku.dk
From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Whence the dragon?
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:33:52 GMT
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <dp5tpa+@rpi.edu>, mccombt@cs.rpi.edu (Todd McComb) writes:
|> Regarding the eastern "dragon", another potential name which pops
|> up in very many places is naga.  One finds this name in the Sanskrit
|> epics, se asian tribal names, and modern cultural ceremonies.
|> 
|> There is a very interesting recent book by Sumet Jumsai (of Thailand)
|> entitled Naga: Cultural Origins.  For the most part the topic is prehistory
|> of southeast asia, but the connection with mythology is unavoidable.
|> There is also an introduction by Buckminster Fuller.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Todd McComb                             mccombt@turing.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.1.1]

I certainly hope that the importation of the hide of said beast for 
upholstery use has been banned.

Rick C.
From: aljones@roku.claremont.edu (Alex Jones)
Subject: Urborus
Keywords: Urborus
Reply-To: aLTERNATIVE mUSIC
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:33:06 GMT

Hey--
	I am very interested in a mythical beast called
the Urborus. I know nothing about it except that it is a 
dragon that swallows its tale and because of that it gets
larger and on  and on etc. Please send me any info. I don't
get to check these groups alot
	Thanks!

		-Alex

aljones@ptnext.claremont.edu
aljones@pitzer.claremont.edu
From: hassink@cs.UAlberta.CA (Hassink Brian John)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Whence the dragon?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:54:44 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

>Hello all, just a quick question for some mythologist. My girlfriend and i
>were at the museum and saw in a display on the Orient that dragons 
>only started popping up in their mythology in the 7th century AD (or 
>some date like that). This seemed late. Did dragons sprout up earlier 
>anywhere else? (Some friends seem to think that ancient Celtic myth had
>dragons, but this is just a guess.) Did the Chinese originate it, and if
>so how did it get into western culture (and when). Is it possible that
>the Kimodo dragons have anything to do with the origin of the myth.

From what I recall of my mythology, one of the epics of Gilgamesh
dealt with travelling to the land of cedars (Lebanon) where Gilgamesh
and Enkidu encountered a Dragon who's name escapes me. This mythology
is well over 3000 years old, but the modern translation may have 
substituted 'dragon' for lack of a better descriptive term of the
monster.

There are also occurences of 'Great Snakes', which could be considered
dragons, in Greek myth as well. Jason killed a great snake gaurdian of
the golden fleece, and I think the founding of Thebes had something to
do with the teeth of a great snake though I'm not positive on this. So
the term 'Dragon' could aptly describe these creatures. 
 
That '7th century AD' date seems wrong to me as well, but my knowledge 
of asian myth is zilch. `8^)

		   Brian.
	           hassink@manning.cs.ulaberta.ca

P.S. Your email address is quite appropriate for this newsgroup. `8^)
From: MFP101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: CMC, Arachne, and Pygmalion
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:58:46 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I am writing a monograph about computer-mediated communication in distance
education, and would like to ask if the following dedication is appropriate:

This monograph is dedicated to Arachne--the finest mortal weaver ever, and
Pygmalion--the talented sculptor who's passionate love literally enlivened
his creations. May their spirits be guardians for cmc networks--the finest
and most vivid networks ever woven.


Having English and Mythology as my second and third languages,
I appreciate comments and suggested improvements.

Morten Flate Paulsen
MFP101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
From: trent@termnet.chi.il.us (Brian Issleb)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Whence the dragon?
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:49:24 GMT
Organization: Temple of Pong BBS

In article <hassink.702683684@manning>, hassink@cs.UAlberta.CA (Hassink Brian
John) writes:
>>Hello all, just a quick question for some mythologist. My girlfriend and i
>>were at the museum and saw in a display on the Orient that dragons 
>>only started popping up in their mythology in the 7th century AD (or 
>>some date like that). This seemed late. Did dragons sprout up earlier 
>>anywhere else? (Some friends seem to think that ancient Celtic myth had
>>dragons, but this is just a guess.) Did the Chinese originate it, and if
>>so how did it get into western culture (and when). Is it possible that
>>the Kimodo dragons have anything to do with the origin of the myth.
>
>From what I recall of my mythology, one of the epics of Gilgamesh
>dealt with travelling to the land of cedars (Lebanon) where Gilgamesh
>and Enkidu encountered a Dragon who's name escapes me. This mythology
>is well over 3000 years old, but the modern translation may have 
>substituted 'dragon' for lack of a better descriptive term of the
>monster.
>
>There are also occurences of 'Great Snakes', which could be considered
>dragons, in Greek myth as well. Jason killed a great snake gaurdian of
>the golden fleece, and I think the founding of Thebes had something to
>do with the teeth of a great snake though I'm not positive on this. So
>the term 'Dragon' could aptly describe these creatures. 
> 
>That '7th century AD' date seems wrong to me as well, but my knowledge 
>of asian myth is zilch. `8^)
>
>		   Brian.
>	           hassink@manning.cs.ulaberta.ca
>
>P.S. Your email address is quite appropriate for this newsgroup. `8^)


Yes, Cadmus founded Thebes with the help of five men who sprung up from some
dragon's teeth he had sown (he got the teeth from a dragon he had killed.) 
Jason also sows dragon's teeth.  There is aslo the great serpent of Norse
nythology, who continually gnawed at the roots of Yggdrasil.
From: jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us (Jack Prevost)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:56:52 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: The Visual Market Public Access Site - Spokane, WA

In article <1992Apr13.034654.3919@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>In article <s877rINNnkg@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes in response to another's list of names of "any god of the
>underworld.":
>
>>>Dis    - Roman
>>>Pluto  - Grecian
>>>Hel    - Norse/Teutonic
>>>Anubis - Egyptian
>>>	Thats all I can recall without a reference.
>
>>Eeek! No, no, no!
>>Pluto - Roman, identified with
>>Hades - Greek
>>Anubis - Egyptian, assistant to
>>Osiris - Egyptian, and really in charge
>>Yama - Hindu
>>  The name of the Chinese god escapes me at the moment. Persephone
>>(L. Proserpina) was the classical _goddess_ of the dead, & Hades/Pluto's
>>wife. Dis was a Roman god of the earth/soil, who became identified with
>>death in the obvious way.
>
>
>	Cosma's post brings up some good points--  most important of which,
>I think, is that even within one group of myths, there are several deities
>affliated with the underworld.  To take classical Greco-Roman mythology, for
>instance, there is Hades/Pluto as the ruler and Persephone/Proserpine as his
>queen.  There are plenty of other divine beings associated with the under-
>world though--  the Titans, the Furies, Sleep, Death, Night, etc.  I suspect
>that the original poster was just looking for the name of just one god, but
>this does seem like an important point to keep in mind. 
>
>	But, just to add to the list of one name/mythos/one underworld, let
>us not forget the biggie of Christian myth--  Satan/Lucifer.
>
>	--  Jim C.  jchokey@leland.stanford.edu

Hmmm.  I think that in the scope of this, Satan and JHVH are both the
rulers of the underworld.  The underworld is a term that in most
religions applies to the realm of the dead, not the realm of the damned.
As an example, in Hellenic mythology, Hades ruled over all the dead,
with the heroes in the Elysian Fields, the villains in Tartarus, and the
rest in a kind of purgatory before they were sent back into life.  Using
this meaning, Satan would be ruler of the equivalent of Tartarus, and
JHVH the ruler of the Elysian Fields.
 
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Gilgamesh's Dragon (was Re: Whence the dragon)
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:47:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Apr17.114734.1
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Apr16.184325.21052@willamette.edu>, jpatters@willamette.edu (Jane Patterson) writes:
> In article <1992Apr16.034210.15704@reed.edu> bcushman@gluttony.reed.edu (Ben Cushman) writes:
>>> >From what I recall of my mythology, one of the epics of Gilgamesh
>>> >dealt with travelling to the land of cedars (Lebanon) where Gilgamesh
>>> >and Enkidu encountered a Dragon who's name escapes me. This mythology
>>> >is well over 3000 years old, but the modern translation may have 
>>> >substituted 'dragon' for lack of a better descriptive term of the
>>> >monster.
>>
>>
>>I believe that the name of this dragon was Tiamut-- although I might be  
>>misremembering.
>>
>>					Ben Cushman
>>					Reed College
> 
> Actually, Tiamat is the mother of all the Babylonian gods, who was slain by
> Marduk, her ?great-grandson.  The "dragon" in Gilgamesh was Humbaba, but in 
> one translation (by Herbert Mason) Humbaba was described as more of a giant,
> and  in the translation in Pritchard's_Ancient Near East Vol. 1_, he is named
> Huwawa and is referred to merely as "monstrous".
> 
> 	Jayn Patterson
> 

I recall a description of Humbaba as a giant with a lionlike head and something
like a breath weapon. Perhaps this last was where the confusion arose? Also
that he was actually the favored of a god, whose name escapes me.

--Semhaza, A.C.
From: c9e-al@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Origin of the Word 'Orc'
Summary: Where did that word come from?
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:17:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr9.191759.16531
Organization: Paper-due-tomorrow-inc.

Is the word 'Orc' a fictional creation? Besides it's use by 
Tolkien in _The_Lord_Of_The_Rings_, William Blake also uses
it in his poem _America_. 

Is it just a coincidence? Also, to which culture did
the deity Orcus belong to? Any possible relation to the
works of the two aforementioned authors?

Thanks for any help!
Chua
====
From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: The name Hearn
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:46:01 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Apr2.072013.10739@serval.net.wsu.edu> 97549759@frodo.eecs.wsu.edu (Dayton) writes:

>Does anybody know any sources where the name Hearn,Herne,Hern,Ahearne, or Hurn 
>could be found.  I already found Herne the Hunter out of famed Robin Hood tales
>but is there any other places I might find this name?  Thanks

          try researching Celtic myths...

Ciao
J G Currie
From: rose@acf9.nyu.edu (David Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:30:37 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: New York University

gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu (gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu) writes:

>I'm trying to figure out the god of the fucking underworld is.  Any underworld
>would be fine.

  Greeks:     Hades
  Romans:     Pluto
  Christians: Satan (not a god, tho')

the Japanese Shinto religion has someone (or ones, its a beauracracy
apparently) but I don't know the names.

--
David Rose
Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
251 Mercer Street, New York, NY 10012
rose@math12.cims.nyu.edu
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From: mccombt@cs.rpi.edu (Todd McComb)
Subject: Re: Whence the dragon?
Organization: Rensselaer Mathematics Dept., Troy NY
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:27:47 GMT

In article <trent.05ga@termnet.chi.il.us> Brian Issleb writes:
>Wasn't the naga a crossbreed between humans and serpents?  At least that's
>what I remember reading somewhere.

Nagas are described differently in different contexts.  From my own
limited knowledge, I cannot assign priority to any particular description.

-- 
Todd McComb                             mccombt@turing.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.1.1]
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From: mc7b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Donald Celeskey)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:53:42 GMT
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Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mictlantecuhtli ->Aztec
Nergal (?) ->Babylonian


my huge contribution.
Matt.
From: jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us (Jack Prevost)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:52:39 GMT
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Organization: The Visual Market Public Access Site - Spokane, WA

In article <s877rINNnkg@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.204356.29701@acsu.buffalo.edu> bohm@acsu.buffalo.edu (Eric J. Bohm) writes:
>>In article <9835@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu (gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu) writes:
>>>I'm trying to figure out the god of the fucking underworld is.  Any underworld
>>>would be fine.
>>Dis    - Roman
>>Pluto  - Grecian
>>Hel    - Norse/Teutonic
>>Anubis - Egyptian
>>	Thats all I can recall without a reference.
>>Gothmog AKA Eric Bohm
>Eeek! No, no, no!
>Pluto - Roman, identified with
>Hades - Greek
>Anubis - Egyptian, assistant to
>Osiris - Egyptian, and really in charge
>Yama - Hindu
>  The name of the Chinese god escapes me at the moment. Persephone
>(L. Proserpina) was the classical _goddess_ of the dead, & Hades/Pluto's
>wife. Dis was a Roman god of the earth/soil, who became identified with
>death in the obvious way.

It should also be noted that not only was Hades the name of the Hellenic
God of the Dead, but also the underworld itself.

 
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From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 12 Apr 1992 02:28:11 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
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In article <1992Apr11.204356.29701@acsu.buffalo.edu> bohm@acsu.buffalo.edu (Eric J. Bohm) writes:
>In article <9835@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu (gjg2001@andy.bgsu.edu) writes:
>>I'm trying to figure out the god of the fucking underworld is.  Any underworld
>>would be fine.
>Dis    - Roman
>Pluto  - Grecian
>Hel    - Norse/Teutonic
>Anubis - Egyptian
>	Thats all I can recall without a reference.
>Gothmog AKA Eric Bohm
Eeek! No, no, no!
Pluto - Roman, identified with
Hades - Greek
Anubis - Egyptian, assistant to
Osiris - Egyptian, and really in charge
Yama - Hindu
  The name of the Chinese god escapes me at the moment. Persephone
(L. Proserpina) was the classical _goddess_ of the dead, & Hades/Pluto's
wife. Dis was a Roman god of the earth/soil, who became identified with
death in the obvious way.
Cosma Shalizi (lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu to friends)
professional biff

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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:46:54 GMT

In article <s877rINNnkg@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes in response to another's list of names of "any god of the
underworld.":

>>Dis    - Roman
>>Pluto  - Grecian
>>Hel    - Norse/Teutonic
>>Anubis - Egyptian
>>	Thats all I can recall without a reference.

>Eeek! No, no, no!
>Pluto - Roman, identified with
>Hades - Greek
>Anubis - Egyptian, assistant to
>Osiris - Egyptian, and really in charge
>Yama - Hindu
>  The name of the Chinese god escapes me at the moment. Persephone
>(L. Proserpina) was the classical _goddess_ of the dead, & Hades/Pluto's
>wife. Dis was a Roman god of the earth/soil, who became identified with
>death in the obvious way.


	Cosma's post brings up some good points--  most important of which,
I think, is that even within one group of myths, there are several deities
affliated with the underworld.  To take classical Greco-Roman mythology, for
instance, there is Hades/Pluto as the ruler and Persephone/Proserpine as his
queen.  There are plenty of other divine beings associated with the under-
world though--  the Titans, the Furies, Sleep, Death, Night, etc.  I suspect
that the original poster was just looking for the name of just one god, but
this does seem like an important point to keep in mind. 

	But, just to add to the list of one name/mythos/one underworld, let
us not forget the biggie of Christian myth--  Satan/Lucifer.

	--  Jim C.  jchokey@leland.stanford.edu
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Who is god of the underworlds?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:25:07 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
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Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
> lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes in response
> to another's list of names of "any god of the underworld.":
>>> Hel    - Norse/Teutonic

Hel is a *goddess*.  Names escape me, but there are quite a few female
deities of death and the underworld; the only deity of death in the
Polynesian pantheon is Hine nui o te po, "great woman of the void".  One of
the central legends of Polynesia is of the culture-hero Maui (rather like
Herakles) attempting to kill her and thereby rid humanity of death; he
takes his favourite weapon, his grandmother's jawbone (she lends it to him
whenever he needs it), collects together all the birds of the forest, and
creeps into her vagina while she is asleep.  But one of the birds - the
bellbird? - chirps at the wrong moment, Hine nui o te po wakes up, and Maui
is crushed to death inside her.  (Victorian anthologies censor this legend,
making Maui and the birds go into her mouth).

Do any other mythologies make essential use of the femaleness of the
underworld deity like this?  Anyone know what the implications of making
death female are?


-- 
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From: duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: _Mare_Tenebrarum_
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:07:36 GMT
Reply-To: duve@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr12.034554.18600@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>I'm reading Edgar Allen Poe's strange cosmogony work, "Eureka,"
>and it has a reference to the _Mare_Tenebrarum_ (Sea of Darkness?),
>supposedly described by Ptolemy.  Anyone know what this thing
>is?  A mythological entity?  References?
>
>					--clueless,
>
>						Fiona Webster
>						fi@grebyn.com

Try an atlas of the moon.
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From: bcushman@gluttony.reed.edu (Ben Cushman)
Subject: Gilgamesh's Dragon (was Re: Whence the dragon)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:42:10 GMT

> >From what I recall of my mythology, one of the epics of Gilgamesh
> >dealt with travelling to the land of cedars (Lebanon) where Gilgamesh
> >and Enkidu encountered a Dragon who's name escapes me. This mythology
> >is well over 3000 years old, but the modern translation may have 
> >substituted 'dragon' for lack of a better descriptive term of the
> >monster.


I believe that the name of this dragon was Tiamut-- although I might be  
misremembering.

					Ben Cushman
					Reed College
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From: n8743494@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Stranger)
Subject: Re: Whence the dragon?
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:30:54 GMT

I remember a book called _The Flight of th Dragon_, can't remember the 
authur.  The book was about dragons (Western I believe) and how they
could have lived from a mundane viewpoint.  The authur even showed his
logic and the refereces he used.
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Whence the dragon?
Summary: Nag nag nag
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:25:33 GMT
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In article <1992Apr8.034742.15758@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
...start of thread deleted...
>there are also the Python slain by Apollo at the founding of Athens, the 
>	-- Jim C/  <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
 1) Apollo did not found Athens. That was disputed between Athena and
Posideon, and for once there were no snakes involved.
   2) Apollo (in some versions, with Artemis), killed the Python at Delphi
and took over the oracle there from Gaia.
Cosma Shalizi (lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu to friends)
physicist-in-training, raised carefully on Asimov and the classics
"For friends, anything. For enemies - the law!" -my grandfather
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