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From: cas30@uts.amdahl.com (Chris Swartout)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: VOTE FOR SLITTING rec.scouting
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:54:12 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Mar30.200416.16976@odin.corp.sgi.com> markm@marcus.esd.sgi.com (Mark Miller) writes:

>Does it not seem to be appropiate to start defining the obvious subtopics that
>have manifsted in rec.scouting?   Who has the ablility to start this process?
>
>Maybe:  rec.scouting.flame, rec.scouting.girls, rec.scouting.policies,
> rec.scouting.cubs, rec.scouting.boys, rec.scouting.pictures (gif's or jpg's
> would be great). 

Hear! Hear!   I second the motion wholeheartedly!  At least break the group
in two groups.  Something like rec.scouting.politics and rec.scouting.misc.

Chris A. Swartout  cas30@uts.amdahl.com  Cubmaster Pack 121, Santa Clara, CA
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Proposal? (girls, atheists, sexuality)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:37:59 -0500

In article <1992Apr08.034519.12993@CS.ORST.EDU> johnh@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Holeman) writes:
>>ship.  The organization does not encourage atheism.
>>
>Nor does the BSA discourage atheism.  It encourages the boys to come to terms
>with their beliefs and take their place accordingly.  God is used as a 
>generalization for the embodiment(sp?)of those beliefs.  Whether that God
>is God = Jehova or God = Allah or God = {}. 

Um, you do realize that atheists do not believe in any god whatsoever
don't you?  Which, because of the Code, cuts them out of Scouting.

>I am not personally athiest, but
>at the same time I do not conform to the specific beliefs of any church
>(or religious) organization.  When a Scout realizes what his beliefs are, then
>it is his place to uphold and carry out the duties mandated by that belief.  
>BSA does not mandate those beliefs.

SCOUT LAW

12.  A SCOUT IS REVERENT.  He is reverent toward God.  He is faithful
in his religious duties, and respects the convictions of others in
matters of custom and religion.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Proposal? (girls, atheists, sexuality)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:05:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.001923.15700@ulowell.ulowell.edu> rcashman@cs.ulowell.edu (The Jester) writes:
>It is atypical.  The definition of typical is "that which the majority prac-
>tices."  The majority of people in America do not practice [sic] same-sex
>"marriages".  I don't care how wonderful your relationship is, it is not
>typical in terms of the participants.

According to that reasoning, the BSA should not allow scoutmasters who marry
someone of a different race.  After all, that's not "typical" in the sense of
not being practiced by the majority.
--
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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: smh@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (s.m.henning)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Spanish Scouting
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:22:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Yes, the BSA has an extensive set of materials in Spanish since it
is necessary to reach about 10% of the Scout age youth in the USA.

Some other scouting associations are:
Spain	FEDERACION DE ESCULTISMO EN ESPANA (The Federation of Scouting in Spain)
Mexico	ASOCIACION DE SCOUTS DE MEXICO (Scout Association of Mexico)
Costa Rico ASOCIACION DE GUIAS Y SCOUTS DE COSTA RICA (Association of Guides and Scouts of Costa Rica)

Cheers,  Steve Henning, NE-V-70 Beaver
Lang May Your Lum Reek
(Long may your chimney smoke, i.e. longevity and prosperity)
Note: I am not able to receive mail on Unix.
My Prodigy ID is RHCC62A. and my AOL ID is Rhodyman.
From: ae313406@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Vance Kochenderfer)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Martial arts
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:19:00 GMT

think that martial arts can do nothing but compliment the values which
Scouting tries to teach.  But in the US (land of the free, and the home
of the lawsuit) the lack of a way to tell reliable and scrupulous
instructors apart from hacks might be a problem...
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    

Vance Kochenderfer
Eagle Scout, Asst. Scoutmaster Troop 967, Baltimore Area Council, etc..
Virginia Tech           |'You want to know how to get ahold of Mrs. Parks? I
ae313406@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu| don't know, she's awfully ticklish'  -Groucho Marx

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:52:39 GMT

daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg) writes:

>In article <1992Apr09.132548.7059@digibd.com>, merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes:
[...]
>  If United Way doesn't like BSA's clearly stated
>membership requirements, requirements that BSA has repeatedly defended
>in court, then they are free to withhold funding from BSA.  However,
>they would be wise to consider the repercusions of doing so.  Should
>this become United policy, quite a few contributors, myself included,
>would withhold donations from United Way.  
[...]

So, by analogy, it is OK for a Boy Scout of America to take 40 items
through the 10-item-or-less line at a supermarket if he doesn't lie
about the number of items? And it is OK for the Boy Scout (of A) to
say, if you don't let me use this line, I and quite a few of my
friends will stop using this supermarket. (And if the people in line
behind the Boy Scout (of A) complain, the Boy Scout can say "they are
just troublemakers.")

There is more to honesty than not lying.

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (24411-sohl)
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Reply-To: whs70@dancer.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.135239.10380@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr09.132548.7059@digibd.com>, merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes:
>[...]
>>  If United Way doesn't like BSA's clearly stated
>>membership requirements, requirements that BSA has repeatedly defended
>>in court, then they are free to withhold funding from BSA.  However,
>>they would be wise to consider the repercusions of doing so.  Should
>>this become United policy, quite a few contributors, myself included,
>>would withhold donations from United Way.  
>[...]
>
>So, by analogy, it is OK for a Boy Scout of America to take 40 items
>through the 10-item-or-less line at a supermarket if he doesn't lie
>about the number of items? And it is OK for the Boy Scout (of A) to
>say, if you don't let me use this line, I and quite a few of my
>friends will stop using this supermarket. (And if the people in line
>behind the Boy Scout (of A) complain, the Boy Scout can say "they are
>just troublemakers.")
>
>There is more to honesty than not lying.
>- Carl

Give me a break, Carl.  You just can't seem to understand.  Just as
you and others want the BSA to change, we (those of us that might tell
UW that we no longer wish to donate) are doing so in OUR effort to
have UW change its guidelines.  If UW doesn't reinstate BSA donations,
that's UW's right, if UW does reinstate, then they (UW) have clearly
changed their (UW) position.  This has nothing to do with lying and/or
honesty.  Their's nothing dishonest about my telling UW to get lost
if they don't fund BSA.

Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: BSA: Eagle in Jeopardy
Keywords: eagle BSA theft
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:39:25 -0500

In article <1992Apr11.070912.11906@muddcs.claremont.edu> jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jeff R. Allen) writes:
>
>This is the first thing the boy has ever done wrong. It is undeniably
>wrong, and pretty stupid, to steal from the police. The Sherrif wants
>his Eagle scout award taken away. My opinion is that he should keep
>the rank, but that there should be no Court of Honor immediately, possibly
>at all. I feel this way because I think the Eagle Rank is irrevokeable
>once National has awarded it. Yet, I feel that there would be no _honor_
>in a court of honor under these circumstances.
>
>I think the boy made a mistake. A terrible, stupid mistake, but a mistake
>nonetheless. I believe that he can learn from it, but the integrity of Eagle
>Scouts everywhere must be upheld.

Glad I've never had to deal with something like this.  I think
my tendency would be to cut the student out (however painful it might
be) simply as an example to the rest that Scout Law means what it says
(if you have a code of behaviour, and you don't enforce it, it will
soon mean nothing).  I guess the other option is to make him re-earn
the Eagle rank through community service related to the offense (if
he is truly sorry, he'll be happy to work off the offense; if not, he
will hate the service, and possibly not finish it because he feels
put upon).

Good luck!

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard)
Subject: Re: BSA: Eagle in Jeopardy
Summary: Future Eagle scout caught stealing, may lose rank.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: eagle BSA theft
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.070912.11906@muddcs.claremont.edu>, jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jeff R. Allen) writes...
>There is an boy in our troop that has just recently gotten his Eagle
>scout rank. The boy's application has been approved by the National
>Office and he has received the patch and certificate in the mail. He
>was planning on holding a Court of Honor in May.
> 
>The problem is that he was caught stealing recently by the Sherrif's office
>that he works in in connection with his Explorer Post (A law enforcement/
>search and rescue post). Apparently the office had been losing things, and
>set a trap for the scout.
> 
>This is the first thing the boy has ever done wrong. It is undeniably
>wrong, and pretty stupid, to steal from the police. The Sherrif wants
>his Eagle scout award taken away. My opinion is that he should keep
>the rank, but that there should be no Court of Honor immediately, possibly
>at all. I feel this way because I think the Eagle Rank is irrevokeable
>once National has awarded it. Yet, I feel that there would be no _honor_
>in a court of honor under these circumstances.
>  
>What would you do? Has anyone out there ever dealt with this sort of
>problem? What might the National Office say about this?
> 
>Please post and e-mail your opinions... I'd like to hear them, and this
>is an important topic for discussion. Please, however, stay on the topic, 
>and don't flame each other! Let's make this thread an example for the group.
> 
>--
>Jeff Allen (IRC: Itter)         /  Q. What's so unpleasant about
>Freshman, Harvey Mudd College   \     being drunk?
>                                /  A. Why don't you ask a glass
>jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu    \     of water?
>Eagle Scout, Class of 1989.
Well, I can't speak for the national office, but my instinct says that anyone 
who earned the award should receive it.  Given the circumstances, an actual 
court of honor would be awkward at best, and perhaps should be postponed, but 
the award should in no way be revoked.
    One of the things that made my scouting experience profitable was that I 
was allowed to make mistakes, and was offered guidance to help me learn from 
them.  Taking awathe recognition for all the boy's hard work because of petty 
theft is a punishment entirely out of proportion. Your description of his 
stealing seems to indicate that he was not doing it out of any financial need, 
so it's entirely possible the stealing was simply a bid for attention.  The boy 
should sit down with his parents and the adult leaders of the troop and figure 
out why he did what he did.  Then his parents should try to settle matters with 
the Sheriff.  If he's a reasonable man, and if he REALLY wants to set a 
suitable example, he should be willing to forgive the boy for his actions if he 
seems genuinely contrite.

Dan Sissman, Troop 277 Alumnus, Eagle Class of 1987
From: kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: where is that dictionary....
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:12:30 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

Reverent  adjective
feeling, exhibiting, or characterized by reverence, deeply respectful.


God (capitalized)  noun
1) the Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2) /christian science/ the Supreme Being considered with reference to the
sum of His attributes.


god (lower case) noun
1) one of several dieties, especially a male diety presiding over some
portion of worldly affairs.
2) any deified person or object.


deified  verb
1) to make a god of; exalt to the rank of or personify as a deity.
2) to adore or regard as a deity.


Buddha  noun
1) also called Butsu, Gautama, Gautama Buddha.  (Prince Siddhattha or
Siddhartha) 566? - c480 B.C., Indian religious leader.
2) (sometimes lower case) Buddhism.  A person who has attained full prajna
or enlightenment; Arhat.
3) a representative of Buddha.


Buddhism  noun
a religion, originated in India by the Buddha (Gautama) and later spreading
to China, Burma, Japan, Tibet, and parts of southeast Asia, holding that
suffering is caused by desire and that the way to enlightenment that
enables on to halt the endless sequence of births and deaths to which one
is otherwise subject.


Confucius  noun
(K'ung Ch'iu) 5th - 6th century B.C..  Chinese philosopher and teacher.


Confucianism  noun
the system of ethics, education, and statesmanship taught by Confucius and
his desciples, stressing love for humanity, ancestor worship, reverence for
parents, and harmony in thought and conduct.


**** Spelling and capitalization mistakes are my own... ****

taken from "The Random House College Dictionary".

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: bones@u36.uucp (Lance Sibley)
Subject: Re: Greetings, intolerant fascists
Organization: U36 Research
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:46:14 GMT

In article <MEC.92Mar27135820@cantor.math.ufl.edu> sirotto%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:

>[...]Burning the flag is disrespectful to all those who fought and died to
>guarentee us that right.

I see. By logical extension, then, a black person asserting his or her rights
is showing disrespect for the memory of Martin Luther King. 
 
You know, I recently found out that about a year and a half ago, a Quebecer
used a Canadian flag to wipe his behind. Never heard about it at the time,
though (probably because people in Ontario were walking on Quebec flags, and
getting angry at that was much more politically correct).

I get amused when Americans start waving the flag, I really do.

-- 
Lance A. Sibley     "Sybok! This Sybok is a madman!"
Waterloo, Ontario   "Not so, Captain; in fact, he has cured me of my delusion
bones@u36.uucp       that I was Shirley MacLaine in a previous life."
                          - Kirk/Caitlin Dar, "Star Trek V: The Funny Frontier"
From: johnh@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Holeman)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Proposal? (girls, atheists, sexuality)
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:45:19 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Apr7.233424.14974@ulowell.ulowell.edu> rcashman@cs.ulowell.edu (The Jester) writes:
>
>You can claim anything you want, Mr. Strom.  But you should get your
>facts straight before you do.  In point of fact, there is a point of
>the Scout Law and a clause in the Scout Oath that specifically refer
>to being dutiful to one's religion.  The BSA encourages young men to
>develop a lasting relationship with whatever God they choose to wor-
>ship.  The organization does not encourage atheism.
>
Nor does the BSA discourage atheism.  It encourages the boys to come to terms
with their beliefs and take their place accordingly.  God is used as a 
generalization for the embodiment(sp?)of those beliefs.  Whether that God
is God = Jehova or God = Allah or God = {}.  I am not personally athiest, but
at the same time I do not conform to the specific beliefs of any church
(or religious) organization.  When a Scout realizes what his beliefs are, then
it is his place to uphold and carry out the duties mandated by that belief.  
BSA does not mandate those beliefs.

John Holeman
Eagle Scout 1991
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Proposal? (girls, atheists, sexuality)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:51:22 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Apr7.001923.15700@ulowell.ulowell.edu> rcashman@cs.ulowell.edu (The Jester) writes:

> [story about being asked to leave a gay bar for being "obviously straight"]

Is the BSA intended to be a social club for straights?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (I Elmo)
Subject: SANDMAN: Annotations Meta
Organization: bim bim bim!
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:30:43 GMT

	I have been approached about placing the Annotated Sandman on a service
called America Online.  I wasn't too worried about authorizing the appearance
of AS on Comics-L (where I was doing the posting) or on GEnie or Compu$erve,
since I was familiar with those services, and there are quite a few people on
both r.a.c. and those services.
	I'd like to make sure I'm not overstepping my bounds for what I have
done, and to inquire generally what folks think of putting AS on America
Online.
        So what do you think?
-- 
"On the campaign trail, the President tends to jerk his arms around a lot and
 speak in little bursts of sentence fragments that sound as if they might be
 part of some other conversation carried on by two other people somewhere else 
 on a different subject."
--Calvin Trillin

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Thoughts on the third aardvark
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<4dqCGaq00Vos05Gdwo@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Apr06.233405.27595@sco.COM>
	<32415@darkstar.ucsc.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:23:25 GMT

In article <32415@darkstar.ucsc.edu> elder@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Elder Dan) writes:

   However, I suspect it's most likely Suenteus Po = Aardvark Curtain #3,
   because he's the only key player we haven't ever crossed paths with in
   a very material sense, and (if you'll recall) there's the added tidbit
   from Weisshaupt's death-- the bug was told not to stare at Weisshaupt's
   uncle, who is Po. Why would the bug stare at Po? Well, if Po were a squat
   furry, gray aardvark, it would explain why Weisshaupt wouldn't want
   people staring at him.

   Just my .02 crowns

	   --The Elder Dan
	   "Ignore alien orders."




Unlikely when you consider how many people have any reaction to Cerebus'
non-humanness.
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Traitor Theory Summary
Keywords: X-Men
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:51:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Biochemistry&Biophysics, UC Davis

Hi,
	I don't normally join in on these sort of plot pondering discussions.
Because of this, I haven't been reading this topic much but I have read a 
few that I thought were rather intriguing.  So... I was kinda hoping that
someone that had his/her hand on the pulse of this issue could write a 
summary of what all these theories were and which one they supported the
most.

					Thanks,
					Mike Oda
					fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: joev@pawnee.ugrad.ee.ufl.edu (Joseph Versagg)
Subject: Excaliber question
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 21:31:21 GMT


Hello,

I have been out of the comic biz for about a year, and recently got back in(ie. I can again afford the massive financial drain involved). one of the books I tried to find was Excaliber. I stopped getting when it was spinning its wheels in that cross time story line. 
Has it been canceled? If so, do you know the number of the last issue?
Thanks
Joe
	...he knows that changes aren't permanent, but change is...
								RUSH
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Traitor Theory Summary
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:21:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

To Mike Oda:
      As it turns out, it's all a moot point anyway, because
apparently the writers themselves don't even know.  So, as of
right now, the X-Judas is nobody - except in the imaginations
of the netters.
                                             --THARIZDUN

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             "You bloated sack of protoplasm!" - Ren Hoek
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From: praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson)
Subject: Underated Comics (was Re: Voice your opinions!)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:05:42 GMT

	You'd do well to pick up all 16 issues of the sadly canceled El
Diablo, a book with heart and >real< realism (ie, no gratuitous automatic
weapons fire.) You'll be apalled that this was cancelled while lots of crap
thrives. I know I am.
		Library Guy!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 03:18:24 EDT
From: ISHKATE <JAM184@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
 <1992Apr13.043805.11548@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <sbcrrINN26p@agate.berkeley.edu>

just one little idea on this whole sexual harassment thing...  Could be that
they're setting it up as a lesson..  Eventually (around 295 or so) Gambit
touches Rogue...  Gambit gets zapped...  Kids.dont.do.this ....  etc., etc.,
etc.?
  Just an idea... maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't.  Oh yeah, this is
Marvel.  Maybe it doesn't.
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