From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Hariri's corporation
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.151824.27357@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.100233.19502@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
>("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>I am not on any smear campain, and I am not afraid to present my cards on the
>table.
>
>If I din't like Hariri I would have said so. I am afraid of no one but God!
>
>I stated my reasons for my questioning and I don't care if it were my father, I
>do not need to repat them again.
>
>No offence though.
>
Nobody is trying to threaten you, I am not in a position to do that so don't be
affraid and I agree you should fear no one but God.

It is your absolute right to like and to hate whoever you want, no one is 
forcing you to love the man. All what I want is to to show us some objectivity!
The questions you asked, do you call them abjective, constructive and you ask
me to take them seriously! Don't insult me please.

>>
>>You have never bothered about presidents who had well established connections
>>with outsiders (France, Israel, USA..), you never bothered about about the
>>millions that were squandered from our central bank, you never bothered that
>>our countrymen wake up in the morining and head for the rubbish mountains in 
>>order to find something to sell and get some bread to their families.
>
>How do you know that? How do you know how many times I have opposed such
>squandering? how do you know whom I have opposed, ask me and you will get a
>straight andswer. How do you know what I bother about? What do you know what I
>wake up to see each mornining? How do you know how my parents live and under
>which conditions? How do you know? How do you know what bothers me or not?
>
Oh I know what is bothering you. It bothers you to see sincere people to come
to government! I know that you are willing to go as long as it takes to prove 
that we can't be trusted to take up high offices. I know that you want the PM
to obtain his record from the justice ministry to show that he has no criminal
offences! I know that you were willing to do everything to prove that the PM
has got no right to be a PM because he worked in Saudi Arabia. I know you
forgot that some time ago you were calling on the government to allow the
people who emigrated 70000 years ago to vote but you asked us to allow you to
question Mr Hariri and what he has done with his passport! Whether he measures
up to be called Lebanese or not!
Yes, I know what bothers you.

>Is it wrong of me to oppose or question the accession to power of persons who
>have vested ineterests to the extant that Hariri and his team has? I would deem
>a country doomed if they did not ask themselves such questions. We should learn
>from our mistakes. Sulayman Frangieh was a criminal and had to seek refuge in a
>foreign country to escape Lebanese justice, we then go and make him
>president!!!! (yes Hariri is not a criminal)

Nobody is denying you any right to question anything. But I am asking you to
use the same standard for all your measurements.
You have chosen to accept the presidency of Bashir Gemayel despite the fact 
at least have of the population did not want him (I wont mention his record
and the things that had done to us) and you oppose a man who has never done
us any harm and I challenge you (and the overzealots) to prove me wrong.

>
>we need to be critical!
>

Critical, yes not Synical and Hypocritical!

[.........]
>
>Money does not bother me. I do not have money, but I am not disturbed with fact
>that others are rich. I will always defend free enterprise and the right of
>individuals to gain wealth.
>
>My problem is with the principles with which we want to run our country.

Principals! Spare me please. Did you hear me calling for corruptive people
to take charge! Did I say that you should not allow a proper procedure to chose
the PM? Did I say that we should forgive him if he betrays?
All what I am asking is not to create hypothetical circumstances in order to
raise question marks about his conducts, his contacts, his objectives and 
above all his good reputation. 

I did not say that he should be a PM because he is rich. I said he is rich and
he certainly does not need our empty pockets!

>
>NOte however that in the last presidential elections I was 21 years old. even
>then I had my critical views (Though I did support Bashir Gemayel, especially
>becuase I saw him as one who opposed corruption), but I can assure you that I
>will always do my best to promote principles and not follow my heart.
>

I was 21 too, and looking back at that time, it astonishes me to hear that he
opposed corruption! Does anybody else share Mr Wardini's opinion that the
militia did not corrupt the country? Does anybody beleives that the militias
and their leadres did us good?

Please forgive my ignorance and give me some examples and DO NOT shower me 
with speaches! Show me the actions that were taken to fight corruption!

>>Have you heard about Nature VS Nurture? This what it is, Some people tried
>very
>>heard to conceal their feelings and at the end, their Nature prevailed.
>
>exactly, I agree fully.
>

Glad you agree. We have something in common, so it turned out to be!

>>
>>I.Ballouz
>
>elie wardini

I. Ballouz.

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