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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: not everybody uses UNIX, but so what?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:11:59 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr):
>Gene Spafford (spaf@cs.purdue.EDU) writes in news.announce.newusers:

No, _I_ write.  "What Is Usenet?" is my essay; Gene just posts it.

>>11. Usenet is not a UNIX network.
>>
>>    Don't assume that everyone is using "rn" on a UNIX machine.  Among
>>    the systems used to read and post to Usenet are Vaxen running VMS,
>>    IBM mainframes, Amigas, and MS-DOS PCs.

As the author of this little paragraph, allow me to expand on its
meaning.  It is true, as Joel observes, that:

>Killfiles are NOT mandatory for USENET participation.

However, Joel, you missed the point entirely.

If you want to participate in Usenet without having KILL files, fine!
More power to you.  But DON'T COMPLAIN TO US ABOUT YOUR CHOICE.  You
_chose_ to drive without windshield wipers; if that choice has
repercussions -- i.e. you can't see when it rains -- well, that's
_your_ responsibility, now, isn't it?

It never rains, but it pours.  And Usenet waits for no sentient being.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
    "My favorite phenomenon is when someone mails me or posts to this
     group, either calling me a newbie or telling me that my postings
     are not relevant to alt.non.sequitur."           -- Matt Welsh
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
From: bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (Bob Cannard @ PCB x5565)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu
Originator: bcannard@hppcb36
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 09:01:09 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <Bvr5rF.A91@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.180608.15946@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) writes:
|> 
|> >I'd suggest something more like
|> >alt.horror.cthulhu-mythos
|> >or even
|> >alt.horror.lovecraft-mythos
|> 
|> The problem with "Lovecraft" is that people are less likely to make
|> the connection, especially if part of the reason for the group is to
|> get them out of alt.folklore.ghost-stories.  Besides,
|> "lovecraft-mythos" is too long.  "cthulhu-mythos" just fits.

Let's keep the name short, recognizable, and to the point, i.e.
alt.horror.cthulhu. And if anyone starts arguing that Yog Sothoth
or the Necronomicon or August Derleth (arg! -10 sanity points!)
or something doesn't belong, bring out the group charter - after
all, that's what defines what the group is for, not the group name.

Erm - is anyone creating a group charter?

Looking forward to the new group with eager anticipation.
-- 
"Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet He spies Them only dimly."
                                             - Necronomicon
(So who the **** are They?)
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.fraternities.sororities
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:04:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config,alt.geek,soc.culture.greek
Organization: me myself and i

In alt.config, dcg5662@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Grabowski (KxiK)) proposes:

|Proposal for newsgroup alt.fraternities.sororities
|--------------------------------------------------
| 
|  Geek life is an important social aspect of many college 
|campuses. Geek life provides for social interaction, 
|community invlovement, and helps with one's academic career. 
|Recently, there have been incidents where fraternities have 
|come under fire from both campus administrations and legal 
|authorities. These incidents have ranged from 
|pledging/hazing programs, excessive use/abuse of alcohol, 
|rape, to all sorts of other misdeeds.
|  This author feels that a nationwide forum on Usenet would 
|provide a medium that would allow members of many Geek 
|organizations, spanning across the world to discuss these 
|and other issues that we face with our schools, communities, 
|and our own members.
| 
|  If you have any opinion to this proposal, please respond.

I would like to point out that two groups already exist in which to
discuss such matters: soc.culture.greek and alt.geek. I do not see the
need to clutter up the alt hierarchy any further with a group whose
name I can only pronounce when sober.

Tx. [is there something wrong with my include function?]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: Jim.Bynum@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jim Bynum)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Missing
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:18:20 GMT

Quoting The Reverend to All

TR> 1 19 year old Red headed female with good complextion, no nasal hairs, nic
TR> perfume, a neat-o sex drive, and is housebroken.
TR> Goes by the name of ANYTHING, so long as she fucks.
TR>  
TR> If found, please mail her to the following address:
TR>  
TR> 8845 SW 79 Ave.
TR> Miami, FL  33148
TR>  
TR> Frantic,
TR> Don Noe

What the heck kind of message is that to put on this echo.  Do you think 
Missing Children is a big joke or something?  Additionally, profanity is 
not allowed in any of the echos.
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Videos
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:13:00 GMT

MO>I would like to know if anyone has seen Disney's "Too Smart for Strangers."
MO>It dealt with many of the aspects discussed in this area, from what to do
if
MO>approached by a stranger to improper touching (whether by stranger or a
know
MO>person.)  It seemed to present facts in a non-threatening manner and kept
th
MO>attention of the 4 year old in our house.  If anyone saw it, I would like
MO>their
MO>opinion.  Also would appreciate the titles of any others that you have seen
MO>and could recommend.


MO>... America, worst nation in the world save for all the rest.
MO>--- Renegade v8-27 Beta
MO> * Origin: East Valley Portal - Mesa, AZ (1:114/107)

  No I haven't, but I will look for it.  We are going to be working on a
  tape of that sort also.
   Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Purpose this Area
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:36:22 GMT


  A message has been posted on the USENET side encouraging people to
voice complaints, flame, other users.  As one of the three people who
began this Echo/Message area in September 1990 I feel that I need to
discuss the purpose for this area.  First this area began on FIDO net
after quite a bit of hard work and it migrated to other nets, including
USENET.  Second this area was begun because of the abduction and murder
of two young girls in August 1990.
   Heidi was abducted on Aug. 4th 1990 walking home form spending the
evening at a friends house, it is surmised that she was killed within 72
hours of being abducted. Her body was foldeded at the waist and knees
and tied. She was then stuffed into two garbage bags and tied like a
piece of luggage for easy carrying. Her body was left in some bushes on
a back road where it was torn by animals during before she was found
three weeks later.
  Erica was playing with friends in front of her home while her father
was in their apartment making dinner.  She went around the corner to
throw some trash in a dumpster and did not return.  It is believed she
was killed within two hours of her abduction.  Her body was found 3 days
later stuffed in a sewer within two blocks of her home.  The person who
found her, an 18 year old airman from Lackland Air Force Base still has
nightmares.
  I saw Erica's father the evening we began looking for her, he just
wanted his daughter back.  I held the hands and looked into the eyes of
Heidi's mother and father the day of her services.  It is not a good
feeling.
  It is for all of the Heidi's and Erica's that we began this
Echo/Message area.  It is to help find missing children and to ehlp
prevent what happened to them from happening to another child.
  If you want to debate or complain or to flame their are more
appropriate areas.  This one is for the children.
    Marv Cotton
From: John.Le.Duc@fquest.FidoNet.Org (John Le Duc)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Filebone mischild
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:47:56 GMT

Hello Craig!

Wednesday October 07 1992 02:09, Craig Castleberry wrote to Marv Cotten:

 CC> Im writing to you to find out more info on the missing child file area on
 CC> the fidonet filebone. I'm going to start to work with Nevada child
 CC> seekers and told them about the file area that sends gifs out. they are
 CC> intrested in the doing the same. is there someone that i can talk to
 CC> about making gifs and about scanning?

If your going to do it too, I'll drop out, I am working on the same thing.
Wanna get together on it?


John
From: Dan.Ross@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: missing children
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:08:00 GMT

it just warms my heart to see this message conference light up with the fact 
that missing children are being talked about. i do love children with all my 
heart and soul. i pas out posters and try my very very best to get the word 
out. i want to run a missing childrens bbs and have all of you help me. i 
think it's great that people like you would take the time to talk about this 
matter! in my deep feelings with missing children, you don't see it all the 
time, it's hidden in the world, some don't want to think about it. some think
that the lost child are in good hands. and it's never talked about on tv, 
unless it just happend. but we need to let ALL Everyone know, that missing 
children need to be found. i pray for them, and i beilve that one day, we will 
get more of them home. i am gonna work real hard on my bbs, to make it a all 
bulletin brand cast on missing children. if you have the gif files on them, 
please upload them to me,  my bbs will be up, and the name will me called 
A.M.C.U AMERICA'S MISSING CHILDRENS UNIT BBS 712-328-8385 24hr's 7 days aweek. 
please anyone want to help? you know what to do. i will be so happy, that you
all can help me get the word out. MISSING CHILDREN ARE MY LIFE! and we need 
than back home! i thanks each and everyone of you! God Bless You All, And 
please pray for missing children!!!!!
                                          Dan Ross
                                       A.M.C.U BBS
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: jody
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:59:00 GMT

DR>Jody Lee Ledkins
DR>Endangered Runaway

DR>Date Missing: 05/23/85          Missing From: Kansas City, Missouri

DR>Date of Birth: 09/20/70         Age at Disappearance: 14 years old

DR>Sex: Female                     Race: White

DR>Height: 5 ft. 1 in.             Weight: 90 lbs

DR>Hair: Brown                     Eyes: Blue

DR>Identifying Information:  Child has a small mole under chin;
DR>large mark under arm; appendix removed; wears glasses.

DR>Anyone having infomation should contact
DR>The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
DR>1-800-843-5678


  Dan, thank you for the postings and the information.  This is what the
  echo is all about.
    Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Marilyn.Orsborn@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marilyn Orsborn)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Videos
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:13:26 GMT

I would like to know if anyone has seen Disney's "Too Smart for Strangers."
It dealt with many of the aspects discussed in this area, from what to do if
approached by a stranger to improper touching (whether by stranger or a known
person.)  It seemed to present facts in a non-threatening manner and kept the
attention of the 4 year old in our house.  If anyone saw it, I would like
their
opinion.  Also would appreciate the titles of any others that you have seen 
and could recommend.


... America, worst nation in the world save for all the rest.
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Echo Rules PT II
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:17:00 GMT

The nature of things:
 =====================
 Perhaps the most important rules in MISSING_CHILD echo are simply
 these:

   1) Do not be easily offended.

   2) Do not easily offend.

 Since the very nature of MISSING_CHILD echo deals with a highly
 emotional subject, Missing/Abducted children, you must realize
 that people may react strongly to messages you may post.  Please
 remember the purpose of this echo is to find missing and abducted
 children.

 When you post something in MISSING_CHILD, do so with the
 expectation that someone might take exception to it.  Some
 subjects provoke almost violent reactions among some conference
 users, and you should not be surprised to receive fierce and
 intemperant replies from time to time.     This is inevitable in
 MISSING_CHILD, and it is considered bad form to run to the
 Moderator when it happens, unless specific violations of the
 topic rules above have taken place.

 Feelings run high in the MISSING_CHILD echo.
 The Moderators reserves the right to make these fine
 judgment calls as they see fit.

 In general:
 ===========
 The Moderator feels that origin lines, at least, ought to be
 verifiable and legitimate.

 Complaints to the Moderator should be sent in private Netmail,
 if offered by your sysop, to 1:387/622, or 1:109/607.  Post
 complaints on the conference itself only if there is no other
 way.

 The Moderator reserves the right to take part in any or all
 discussions on the conference, without regard to his status as
 Moderator.  When he is acting specifically as Moderator, he will
 sign his message as:


 Marv Cotton, 1:387/622
 Russell Coombs, 1:2612/107

 MISSING_CHILD Conference Moderators
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: greg@halcyon.com (greg naber)
Subject: Re: Child Quest Booth at Blue Angels Show This Weekend
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:33:31 GMT

lindae@netcom.com writes:

>If you are planning to attend the last Blue Angels show this weekend
>at Moffett Air Field, please note:  Child Quest International will
>be staffing a food and beverage booth at the show.  Please visit the
>Child Quest volunteers at this booth.  Stop by to lend your support or
>to purchase food and beverages -- a portion of the proceeds will 
>be donated to Child Quest.


What has this to do with finding children? I am up here in Washington
and already have seen the Angels at Lake Washington;-)
From: Russell.Coombs@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Russell Coombs)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Another linkup
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:54:00 GMT

Welcome aboard...
         Russell Coombs & Marv Cotton, Moderators..
From: Greg.Naber@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Greg Naber)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Prevention
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:00:00 GMT

Evaluate the extent to which you lead a security concious lifestyle by
taking the following survey.

The Personal Safety Check List.

IN THE HOME:

Yes No
__  __  Do you keep doors and windows locked at all times?
__  __  Do you have a ppehole so that you can see who is outside without
        having to open the door?
__  __  Do you always verify a person's identification before opeening
        your door?
__  __  If a stranger asks to use your phone, do you refuse to let them
        into your home and offer to make th call yourself?
__  __  Do you, as a women living alone, use your first initials only in
        telephone directories, on mailboxes, etc.?
__  __  Do you refuse to reveal personal information to anyone on the
        phone or at your door?
__  __  Do you always have your keys ready when approching your home?
__  __  If you return home to find windows and doors tampered with,
        would you avoid entering and go to a neighbor's house to call
        the police?

TELEPHONE ANSWERING:

Yes No
__  __  Do you teach family members not to give personal or family
        information to strangers over the phone?
__  __  Do you record only non-specific messages on your answering
        machine and avoid messages like "we'll be back at 7 o'clock on
        Sunday"?
__  __  If you receive an obscene or crank call, would you hang up
        immediately, saying nothing?
From: Jinny.Husty@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jinny Husty)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Custody In Colorado?
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:00:00 GMT

SS>>Here's a scenario that makes sense:  he's already *got* sole custody,
SS>>and she's vanished with the child.
 
NO.  She can not vanish with the child if the father has sole custody.
That is kidnapping and punishable by 2 years in prison, NO visitation
rights whatsoever.  And all 50 states are working hand-in-hand now
and enforcing this law.  Furthermore, NO ONE can take the child and
leave even if they ARE married.  It is still parental kidnapping and
a trial could be held without the absent parent, giving the parent
who was left behind SOLE custody...meaning a warrant will be issued
for the missing parent's arrest.
 
SS>isn't joint custody assumed, and isn't she violating her daughter's
SS>right to be with her father?
 
Yes.  She is violating his right to be with his child, but more so, she
is violating her child's right, thus making her one of the most unfit
mothers there is.  
 
SS>My feeling is that she just wants him out of her life, and the
SS>desire to get him out takes priority over the girl's rights to
SS>her father, and his parental rights.
 
What people don't understand about divorce, is that there is no such
thing as divorce when children are involved.  People will always be
married to one another if they have children...and that includes grown
children.  
 
SS>>states, it's darned hard for a father to get sole custody unless there
SS>>are some d*mned good reasons.
 
This is not exactly true considering there are over 1.2 million mothers
out there who do not have custody of their children.  The reason why
most mothers have custody (some 90% of women) is because most men do
not fight for custody of their children.  When men do decide to fight,
they win 67% of the time.  
***
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From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Child Quest...
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:18:19 GMT
Expires: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



Child Quest International is a non-profit organization, devoted to
the protection and recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children.
If you need help searching for your missing child, please call them
at (408) 492-1122.  If you have sighting information, please call
Child Quest's 24-hour sighting hotline at (800) 248-8020.

If you've ever wondered what goes on at an agency such as Child Quest,
here are some interesting facts you may be interested to know...

By the end of 1991, Child Quest (founded in 1990) had:

	- disseminated more than 100,000 posters of missing children
	- distributed more than 3,000 safety tips
	- fingerprinted over 1,000 children
	- registered 221 new cases
	- assisted in the recovery of 83 children

Obviously now that we are almost at then end of 1992 those numbers are
now much higher.  That should give you just a glimpse at what these
types of agencies are doing.
From: Jim.Bynum@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jim Bynum)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Missing
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:54:17 GMT

Quoting Marv Cotton to Jim Bynum

MC> JB>Quoting Marv Cotton to The Reverend
MC> 
MC> JB>MC> TR>1 19 year old Red headed female with good complextion, no nasal
MC> hairs
MC> 
MC> JB>MC>
MC> JB>MC>   You are obviously an extremely uncaring individual based on the t
MC> JB>MC>   of your message.  Do not post in this message area again.
MC> JB>MC>        Marv Cotton, Moderator
MC> 
MC> JB>Marv,
MC> 
MC> JB>I sent a message to the sysop of the board that the message originated
MC> JB>from and let him know how disgusted I was with what the guy said.  I
MC> JB>received an immediate response that the guy has been locked out of that
MC> JB>board.
MC> 
MC>   Yes, I believe several people did.  The SysOp reacted quickly and
MC>   quite effectively.  The message was not his fault and should not
MC>   reflect on him in any way.

I agree whole-heartedly.
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found Child List
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:45:00 GMT

GF>MC>   Russ and I would like to thank everyone for participating and
GF>MC>helping.
GF>MC>
GF>MC>   Marv Cotton and Russ Coombs, Moderators

GF>I would like to display these missing childern GIF files here on my board.
GF>I am living in Orlando, Fl and would like to help in anyway I can to show
GF>people these pictures of the missing and found childern.

GF>Here is my info:

GF>Glenn Fluehr
GF>Mobile Log, Inc.
GF>Data Processing Manager
GF>4600 Oak Creek Street #102
GF>Orlando, Fl  32835-2878
GF>Voice: 407-296-0584

GF>I would like to hear from you about this more...  Thanks in advance...

GF>...Glenn
GF>***
GF> * EZ 1.33 * Mobile Log BBS 407-296-0984 Orlando, Florida
GF> * PostLink(tm) v1.02  MOBILE (#216) :


GF>--- TriDog 4.0
GF> * Origin: The Lobster Buoy - Home of TriBBS (1:328/104)

  I will get in touch with you Glenn.
    Later, Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com
Subject: Unique Safety Tips
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:38:47 GMT
Expires: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 08:00:00 GMT


I am collecting a list of safety tips that parents are sharing with
their children.  I need your help in creating this list.

If you have thought of some special safety tips or a good way of
sharing this information with your child in a way that doesn't
create fear, please post them in alt.missing-kids.

(I would prefer that you post them here, rather than e-mail, please)


Thanks,
lindae@netcom.com
From: Jinny.Husty@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jinny Husty)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing Children
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:00:00 GMT

ML>would Ask another Question and see. I have visitation rights to see my
ML>chirldern once a month but I don't get to because I live 250 miles away but
I
 
You need to have the original court order changed to something that would
be more suitable.
 
ML>did want to get my children threw spring break but when I go to get then
they
ML>are not to be found any where and the attorny general office tell me they
can
ML>help untill the child support paymant is returned no one at this adress by
th
 
You need to take her to court...repeatedly.  Eventually, they will throw
her in jail for doing this, but the important thing is to be very strong
and show her that you are not giving up.
 
ML>name.  I went to jail because I quit paying child sup. Because my X would
not
ML>let me see them I then took he to court two times after that and the courts
ML>still did nothing. I thing the system Stinks..
 
Child support and visitation rights are two separate court issues.  You
can be 3 years behind on your child support and still be able to see your
children.  
 
ML>My Chrildren don't even know me now, because the x keeps them away.
 
It's an impossible situation, but you can still win.
***
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