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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:33:44 GMT

Orin Day writes:
>Scott Harper writes:
>> Now, what I found interesting was the PAC-10 commission's reccomendation
>> that Hobert's loan not cause any forfeitures, because something like that
>> should have no bearing on "on-field performances".  We are talking about
>> a questionable $50,000 deal here.  Several (not all) of A&M's 20 or so 
>> violations were along the lines of "recruits were given caps on official 
>> visits", "recruit was given a ride to the airport by an assistant coach", 
>> etc.  These violations were certainly allowed to have an effect on
>> "on-field" performances.
>
>My opinion of the Tulsa thing is that the NCAA sucks, but they are
>quite consistent on the crackdown of so-called recruiting "violations."

Then how do you explain the recent NCAA probation for the Oklahoma State
wrestling program, where the only violation that was even recruiting
related was a pre-Freshman working a summer camp, and that OkState provided
transportation to work at summer camps for team members? There really weren't
any recruiting edge violations and really nothing even in the league of a star
athlete receiving an unsecured $50,000 loan, yet the NCAA came down hard...

Teresa
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:28:17 GMT

In article <Qf1qDIS00WAwQjY0p_@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason
>Fawcett) writes:
>
>>AP
>>
>>1. Miami
>>2. Alabama
>>3. FSU
>>4. Texas A&M
>>
>>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>>
>>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU >and
>>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The >most
>>POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the
>
>At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule didn't rear it's
>head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of the top five
>atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a PAC-10 fan,
>just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better schedule than
>A&M. What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3 spot???? 
>Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of Alabama
>and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not played
>anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest opponent
>was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and has
>rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, are you forgetting Clemson, GaTech,UVa... We have not been "rolling
over" opponents until recently, and those two opponents were simply out
gunned in every aspect. Don't go woofing about FSU until Jan. 2nd, or we
will find ourselves victims of the woof gawds.

>Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  Arizona's schedule has been
>tougher than Alabama's and TAMU's crap schedules combined!
>
>Will

Kevin
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:14:55 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.225832.8543@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W  
> Turner) writes:
>> If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
>> Michigan state loses to Illinois, both very
>> real possibilities, then Iowa will be (6-6) and
>> will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.
> 
>> I think this would be a travesty
> 
> No 6-6 team deserves a bowl bid.  I wouldn't be
> suprised if Iowa would decline if possible.
> 
> But it is the "Thrifty" Holiday Bowl, so maybe the
> Hawkeyes will line their pockets...I'm sure the
> Big-10 will make them go if all other Big-10 teams
> that are elgible to bowl go somewhere else.

	The Big-10 has no say.  OSU stated flately that there would be no bowl
games when they fired Bruce, even though OSU won to go 6-4-1.

Brett
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:56:30 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <cf2q4t600aw4E8bUUX@andrew.cmu.edu> William writes:

> Stick a foot in your mouth and the other up your ass because you just
> played yourself!

[something vaguely resembling rational discourse deleted]

> That just goes to show how much of a cock-sucking fag artist you are.  

  Tsk, tsk, Billy.  Too much caffeine?


semper fi,

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: fichigan fumbles
Organization: American Math. Society
	<ASH.92Nov16085655@ulysses.mr.ams.com> <BxtF22.Hn1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:56:36 GMT

In article <BxtF22.Hn1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg ) writes:
   >ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

   >>In article <1992Nov15.002637.17707@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

   >>   >I got two words for ya fichigan folk:
   >>   >national championship.

   >>   >WRONG!

   >>   >Sure made this illini alum happy to at least kick the wolves
   >>   >out of the national championship lottery...
   >>   >makes amends for some rather pathetic games this year.

   >>   >c'mon buckeys, do it to em next.  fichigan blows.

   >>   >::j


   >>Don't listen to him, people.  He's just an anti-Michigan stooge.
   >>Exby's anti-Michigan sentiments are well-know on the net, so take
   >>anything he posts about Michigan with a truckload of salt.  That'll
   >>make the truckload of bullshit taste better.

   >If you are insinuating that Michigan has a prayer at a national championship
   >this year, you are even more naive than you are rude and arrogant.


No, I don't think Michigan has a chance at an MNC.  And my rudeness
sprouted from the seeds of "fichigan blows".  Didn't you think that
was rude?  Or is it your opinion that it's not rude if it's
anti-Michigan?  Oh, that's right, you posted some blatant
anti-Michigan stuff yourself, didn't you?  Now I understand.



-Alan Harder
 
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Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:29:50 -0500 
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In an article <1992Nov16.203843.4659@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>And on the subject of the NFL, who kept Woods from dancing after scores?

First of all, I think his injury kept him from dancing.  Second, I think
the commission was lame enough to make a shuffle zone, somewhere between
the 25 and the 35 I believe, and that was the only place he could do it,
if I'm not mistaken.

Will


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From: c162-cc@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Subject: Re: Cal sucks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:56:11 GMT

In article <1emkhaINNiuf@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>I must agree with this.  In my 4 years at Berkeley, Cal has been
>defeated by Stanford.  In 1989 it was a boring 24-14 loss.  In 1990
>it was a nightmare at the last second 27-25 loss.  In 1991 it was a
>close until the 4th quarter 38-21 loss.  Now we have the ultimate
>insult, a 1992 41-21 loss that really wasn't that close, ending a
>pitiful 4-7 season.    
>
>Coach Gilbertson should resign as head coach.  
Sigh, ok, remember that it's his first season here, but his
coaching does need more imagination. I'm not asking for the
fumblerooski, but maybe some feints, reverse plays etc? Our
defense is good, but weirdly enuf, it's the offensive line
that really, really needs help. Considering Gilbertson was
offensive coordinator at UW, and he has such weapons as
Russell White and Sean Dawkins at his disposal, that's
surprising. I think they're going to him another year; if things
don't work out, he's gotta look for a new job....

Sigh. Another year of getting ribbed by Stanford. Most
pathetic thingie was the Cal student section shouting "It doesn't 
really matter." COME ON!! Who are you trying to fool?????

>
>--William F. Tell
>UC Berkeley
>

Chua - I would have gone naked for a week if Cal had won =(
+==+
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Two Losses Could Cost Cooper His Job
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:58:53 GMT

Michael Doel writes:

>If he wants to make the best decision for the university, then he should get
>some juevos and stand behind the coach. 

Waitaminute.  You just suggested that E. Gordon Gee get some eggs and stand 
behind Cooper.  Is this really what you want?  Well, if the initials fit . . .

     - Pat
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From: zklf0b@gs144.uucp (Fergason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:34:27 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production


In article <1ej9o8INNgsk@early-bird.think.com> krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall) writes:
>
>To put this *stuff* in perspective:
>
> Minnesota beat Illinois, who beat Ohio State, who beat Syracuse, who beat Texas, 
>who will beat A&M, who beat Stanford, who beat Notre Dame, who tied Michigan, who
>tied Illinois.
>
>Therefore at 1-9, Minnesota should be in the Rose bowl vs Oregon.


This is what makes reading this group worthwhile.

Kelly
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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: fichigan fumbles
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:44:14 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>In article <1992Nov15.002637.17707@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

>   > [WOOF deleted]

> [mindless flame deleted]

Mr. Harder,

I am an Illini fan and wrote an article over the weekend admitting
that Michigan was a better team.  I too wish that some of my Illini
brethren had been more magnanimous in victory .. er.. equality.

But all this pales in comparison with your mindless drivel that you
have been repeatedly posting.  One or even two articles suggesting
that perhaps Illini fans should have been more temprate would have
been OK.  Yet, today morning I have seen 4 articles by you (and missed
many others I am sure in my spot-reading), all of which have
ZERO-content and consist of viscously and vociferously attacking
someone who dared attack your beloved school.

Its an overused cliche, but really, get some other interests.  

Also, do remember that, while the Illini fans should have been less
viciferous in their appreciation of a tie, they have no doubt been
subjected to postings that rather than woof, simply ignore the
Illini's existance as a threat to Michigan.  Yes, Michigan was HUGELY
favored.  Yes, Michigan stunk up the place ::> maybe some crow, or at
least dignified restraint is in order.

Here's hoping not to generate yet annuder anger-filled response..

>-Alan Harder

Bharat

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From: mangla@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Good luck Michigan - Rose Bowl
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:48:52 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


I know Michigan has three ties, and  I really hate that, but the fact is
that they are still "unbeaten", they could have won or lost all three games
then the situation would be different. Just like Miami, I really hate them
and they ALWAYS seem to get LUCKY and end up with a win, but you have to
give them some credit, they are also unbeaten.

I know Michigan is not a championship team, but I guess you can say that
they are better than all the other big-10 teams this year.

Oh well, I still congratulate Michigan on an undefeated season and wish
them  luck in the Rose Bowl.
From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: Great Big 8 QBs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:14:57 GMT

marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:


>   Jack Mildren - OU alum - ??

Lieutenant Governor of Oklahoma, 1990-present.

>   Thomas Lott - OU alum - NFL???
>                           Holds an elected office in Okla, Preacher
>   
>   Mike Gundy - OSU Alum - ??
coach with OSU

One other JC Watts is a member of the Okla. Corporation Commission and gave 
a seconding speech at this year's Republican National Convention.

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From: atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: OSU beats Michigan: 13-13
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:27:12 GMT

In article <1eognrINN4s0@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>I'm a little more upset at the punt coverage in the last minute.  The
>only chance they had was for a muffed punt.  The Michigan receiver
>obliged (Alexander?), but two or three Buckeyes were busy converging
>on him, and were not ready to recover the muff.  Tovar almost managed,
>but didn't quite.  Oh, so close...
>
>I should also have pointed out that he had signalled a fair catch, so
>there was no point in the Buckeyes charging down on him.  A mental
>error, that cost the Bucks a victory.

Interesting point.  I've never heard of anyone coaching their players to "play
for the muff" in a fair catch situation, but it makes sense, I suppose.  Still,
I don't see how you could really call it a mental error.  It was just one of a
series of several breaks the Bucks didn't quite get.  Among them:  Grbac's knee
touching down on the play before the first touchdown -- should'a been on the
6 instead of the 1; Grbac *just* making it into the end zone before Chico 
Nelson decapitated him; the oft-mentioned muffed punt with 1:06 to play that
the lone Michigan freshman fell on in the middle of 4 Buckeyes; and the 
not-oft-mentioned "inadvertent flag" on the game's final play.  Ohio State 
safety Walter Taylor returned Collins' Hail Mary at 0:01 to the Michigan 34, 
and at least one referee threw a personal foul flag on the Michigan tackle.  
Game can't end on a defensive penalty.  Such a penalty would have given OSU a
36 yard field goal with 0:00 on the clock!?!  Sound like 1990?  ;^)



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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:05:01 GMT
Organization: .

(Scott Barman) writes:
>>Georgia 14
>>Auburn 10
>
>How Bout Them Dawgs.
>
>BTW: This was the 100th Anniversary of the first meeting between the two
>schools.  At 100 years, this is the oldest rivalry in the South.

I think the LSU-TooLame "rivalry" is also 100 years old as of this year.

--J.J.
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From: jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: WAC Has 5 Bowl Teams + BYU Notes
Keywords: BYU football
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:54:49 GMT

FIVE WAC TEAMS IN BOWLS
-----------------------

For the first time in its history, the WAC will send 5 teams to bowl
games. In addition, if Fresno State beats UTEP on Saturday, the WAC
championship will end it a three-way tie between Hawaii, BYU, and
Fresno State.

Holiday Bowl: Hawaii vs. Illinois.

Aloha Bowl: BYU vs. Oklahoma or Kansas.

Liberty Bowl: Air Force vs. Mississippi.

Copper Bowl: Utah vs. Washington State.

Freedom Bowl: Fresno State vs. Southern Cal.

Utah received its first bowl bid in 28 years.



BYU NOTES
---------

BYU will enter the Aloha bowl with their fourth starting QB of the
year, Tom Young - brother of 49er's QB Steve Young. Young started the
year fourth on the depth chart and moved up after injuries to John
Walsh, Steve Clements, and Ryan Hancock. Lavell Edwards said he would
not consider voiding John Walsh's medical redshirt year by playing him
in the bowl game, but might activate freshman Paul Shoemaker.
Otherwise, the backup QB will be walk-on Chris Gulstad.

Sophomore Ryan Hancock - who went 7 and 1 as BYU's starting QB, losing
only the Notre Dame - will have knee surgery Saturday. Hancock, a
pitcher for the BYU baseball team, will miss the college baseball
season, but should be throwing again by June. Hancock had talked about
playing pro baseball this summer and returning to BYU for football,
but the injury will delay those plans.

Playing only nine games, eight as a starter, Hancock finished third in
the country in total offense and pass efficiency.

Before allowing 22 fourth-quarter points to Utah, the Cougar defense
had surrendered only seven points in 11 quarters. BYU finished as the
WAC's total-defense leader.

Halfback Jamal Willis' 1,004 yard season featured a strong finish. He
collected 515 yards in the last four games while playing with a
shoulder separation.

Brad Hunter punted eight times against Utah, but that was not enough
to qualify him for the NCAA season statistics. he would have finished
second with a 47.6 yard average.

--John

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU's uniforms
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:44:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.224820.10619@b30.ingr.com> rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com writes:
>I caught a few highlights from the FSU - Tulane game on ESPN.  Where did 
>those ugly Garnet and Garnet uniforms come from.  I think they make FSU 
>look like a Division III team.  They're almost as ugly as Kansas' blue on 
>blue uniforms.

The new unis' were a gift from Burt Reynolds (former FSU player). He is also
the guy that gave our all white unis a few years back. I personally can't
stand the all whites, but I did rather like the all garnet uniforms.

>
>rick "Garnet and Gold" hopkins
>rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com
>

Kevin

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From: jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Organization: Heavy Petting Zoo
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:35:02 GMT

Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
ago).  And Miami has the best college football team in world history.  There
is only one question left to be decided: which college has the best looking
cheerleaders?

This weekend should provide ample ;-) evidence that the University of
Southern California has without a doubt the best looking cheerleaders. 
There should be plenty of gratuitous coverage of these buxom beauties when
USC plays Note Dame on Saturday.  They just can't be denied.

jc
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M beats TCU...
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:35:11 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

In article <1992Nov19.224712.6639@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>(WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>
>>Just to shut them up.  (they,
>>r.s.f.c fsu, sure do talk a lot of shit)
>
>And aggies as a whole dont talk shit at all.  RIGHT.
>
>-Chris (in UT student section Thanksgiving night!!!)

When your team can win 8 games or more/year, then you can start talking
shit...   :-P

cmuck
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: More Auburn - Alabama predictions
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:42:43 GMT

I just ran into Elvis Presley at Burger King and he told me that Bear Bryant 
was going to be at this year's Auburn - Alabama game.  I know that the woof
gods do not consider this a game, but merely a waste of Alabama's time.  But
since my reliable source has given this precious information, we should all
watch TV and see if we can locate him.

If this is a lie, at least we can still see Palmer run by like a tornado,
the AU offense gunned down, etc.

David

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