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From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Werewolf Role Playing
Keywords: gaming, RPG, werewolf
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:14:12 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I'm supprised no one has mentiond White Wolf's game called Werewolf the
Apocalypse, which uses there storyteller gaming system.  It's a great
game and I really suggest checking it out, if you haven't yet.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:06:06 EST
From: Bob Simmons <RPS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: is it possible?

  HI, KIDDIES! Here I am again, and, unless I can find a way to renew my
account, for the final time under this number. Just wanted to set Sandman's
mind at ease. I never said that my theory ( I think most of you'ns saw it)
was the only way that lycanthropy could occur. That would be VERY weenie!
I just tried to come up with something that could be possible, and could
withstand most of the shots that you'ns could take at it. There are thousands
of people with a half-assed opinion on how werewolves got started, I tried to
come up with biological backing on my theory, to make it three-quarter-assed.
Or maybe the scientific babbling makes it one-quarter-assed. Who really knows
for sure? I sure as hell don't.
  Do werewolves exist? Maybe. I've never met one face-to-face. I've only seen
Hollywood's interpretations. I'd like to think that they DO exist, and many
scientists would LOVE to be the one to prove their existance, and maybe patent
them( You want to become a werewolf, you have to PAY ME! Heh,heh.)Science
always tries to explain the unknown. Maybe even to discover the truth. I'd
like to think that the truth is that they do exist and that I discovered them,
but I can't say that. I'd like to, but I can't. Perhaps it would be more fun
leaving the mysteries unknown (You're dealing with forces that man was never
meant to know! You're MAD!).
  So as I, the sorta-expert on werewolves, ride off into the sunset, I'd like
to leave you with a few thoughts: don't take this sh*t seriously, be your
own person( or beast), and party 'til you puke, I do! Bye-bye, and see you in
the future!
                                           Bob (Spelledbackwards,too!) S.


ELSETIME!!!
From: z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Role Playing, anyone?
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:51:40 CST
Summary: I may never know the answer
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Well, I'll be out for the next four weeks or so for the Christmas holidays, so
I'll probably not be able to log on.  I thus hate to pose any questions right
now, because I'll never get to see the answers.  None-the-less, here's one.

Does any of you out there role play?  If so, what rule changes have you made in
the major RPGs (particularly AD&D) to accomodate werewolves?  In general, I
find existing role-playing game ways of handling lycanthropy far too reliant on
the silver bullet/full moon routines.  Not that I dislike the game
systems--just their way of lycanthropy.  GURPS terms shapeshifters "weres." 
The word "were" means, of course, "man," so the misnomer gets to me. 
"Lycanthrope" is a little better as a word for shape shifters, but it really
means "wolf+man."  "Were-creature" seems to be the best word choice I have
found.

--Jon Oh-no-its-happening Coolidge
From: z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Stephen King, Re: is it possible?
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:27:14 CST
Summary: Sleepwalkers, DNA controversy
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

About the movie _Sleepwalkers_:
> BTW - Stephen King appears in a cameo role as the graveyard 
> caretaker....

Yes, I caught him when I watched it!  Another casting bit of humor:  One of the
police officers in the movie is played by Ron Pearlman, who was Vincent in the
TV series _Beauty and the Beast_.  Even though he was not a Sleepwalker, I was
expecting him to be.  He looked so much like Vince even without the makeup. 
Well, once a cat, always a cat.

> Also - during the closing credits, a very haunting, melancholy
> melody is played:  Does anyone know what the name of the melody
> is, and who composed it?

I don't know either, but it is possible to tape the music if you can hook up a
VCR to a stereo.  A friend or college library may have such an arrangement if
you don't--I know good stereos don't grow on trees.

On the thread about explaining lycanthropy:
      Many feel that too much is lost if lycanthropy is explained in a story. 
I have to agree.  I doubt I need to say anything more, because no one yet has
disagreed.  The main reason I inquired was for coming up with a fairly complete
explanation that each one of us as an author can have in the back of our heads. 
I might have my character in one of my stories look at some of his cells and
notice how large the nuclei are, or wonder what those strange, octahedral
shapes are in his blood.  I didn't really mean for the story to include an
appendix in the back to suppliment the Human Genome Project, but a little
background on for the author to have handy never hurts.

--Jon Coolidge, .sigs have gone walkabout again...
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: sandler@duck.ee.udel.edu (Sandman)
Subject: Re: is it possible
Organization: Lab Rats
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:52:20 GMT

In article <92344.191954RPS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Bob Simmons <RPS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Sandman- I'm sorry if you're getting pissed because of my trying to unlock the
>       secrets of lycanthropy, but it's what I do. What I say about lycanthropy
>       is not the alpha and omega of the disease, I'm just having fun trying to
>       apply what I know into themystery. Oh yeah, I also love Peter Cushing's
>       works.

Hey, I'm not getting pissed.   I started with defending the scientific
portion on the WW legend.  I think the further you go to "this is the way it
works" the sillier it gets.  My original response was to the comment: WW can't
exist because....  I wrote a few articles back saying that well here is
at least one possibility to disprove your comment (wrecking a bad proof is
easy just come up with a counter example...proving on the other hand)

At this point we have come up with:
WWism must be a virus or a separate race
WW have composite bone structure
...
I liked that "WW could exist" and anything you say against it can at
least have scientific doubt thrown against it.  Saying "this is the way it is"
is a weenie argument (but it was a +3 arrow)_

I like WW!!!!  I hate weenie arguments.

If we change the tone of the talk to "I have a nifty theory and want
one that people can't shoot holes through (for a book or something)"
than that is cool.  Saying WWs in general must work this way is what
I object to.

I like the mystery.  I don't want it explained.  I like the idea of 
changing into a wolf and running free through the forest and feeling
the wet leaves between my paws.  The smell of the cool summer night,
rain and the fear of the animals who I stalk.  The anger and the primal
beast that lurks within me getting out for a romp about town.  The killing
and the feel of fresh blood, hot blood all around as the that which I
stalk breaths its final breathe....perhaps even a final beg of mercy cut
short by my jaws at their throat.  The absolute fear of a hunter with his
gun jammed trying desperately to get it to work before a pounce, me knowing
that it wont help him even if he does....This is what I like; the mystery
need not be even attempted to be explained.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From:  ()
Subject: Re: Questions about werewolves
Followup-To: alt.horror.werewolves
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:14:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.143456.2187@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>,
z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
> Jon Coolidge, .sigs are out on Christmas vacation.
> 
> By the way, if you have a birthday coming up on the 25th and you aren't Christ,
> then you could be a werewolf.  Check out more obscure legends at your local
> video store.  While you're there, look for The Company of Wolves.  It is in my
> opinion the best werewolf movie ever made.  A little weird but quite true to
> the legends (of Europe, anyway.  It's the final countdown dadadoodoo.  Dum dada
> dootdootdoo dum dadadoodoo dum, dadadut dut da...)

Uhh... about the 25th thing... Well...
If I'm a werewolf (i would be that lucky)
then i hannae noticed yet. But I'll keep
my little Lupine eyes out for unusual hair
growth and stuff. Thanks for the warning,
though.

Ozymandias.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves,alt.industrial,alt.horror.cthulhu,alt.vampyres
Subject: House Of Usher - Dec 22nd - Ministry Pre-Party
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:13:17 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

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                             Hours are 9pm - 3am
                          $3 before 10pm - $5 after

                         DJ's- Bat, Mr. Meanor and X
                        Bad Trip videos by Corruption

     1 Bolivar Drive - Aquatic Park - Berkeley  --  INFO (415) 995-4969

Offering the best in both Gothic and Industrial music with two seperate rooms,

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             Ministry giveaways to the first 30 people through
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             CD's, Posters, 12" singles, Videos!, Plus a rare
             quart of Jesus Built My Hot-Rod motor Oil!

       At 2:30am 2 tickets to the Dec 23rd show will also be given away!

To get there, use the same route you would to get to Hwy 80 as if you were
going to the Berkeley campus. (University Drive). Exit University Drive and
head towards the campus. (Away from the water.) The first light will be
6th street. Make a RIGHT on 6th street and continue to the next block which
will be ADDISON. Make another RIGHT on ADDISON and follow it all the way down
till it ends at a T in front of a lake. Make a RIGHT and follow that small
500 foot road into the House Of Usher parking lot.

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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Questions about werewolves
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:42:02 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec16.063014.10864@athena.mit.edu> hetyei@athena.mit.edu (Gabor Hetyei) writes:
>
>2.) Is it true that if a werewolf is seen by a human during the change 
>(s)he stays in wolf form forever? One story I read claims this, but in
>another one a male werewolf reappears in human form in the story after
>having been seen changing by one of the characters. (Unfortunately, this
>is again the "unreliable" source mentioned in question 1.)
>
	Well, i don't know about that,but in the French story "Bisclavret",
a werewolf must hide his clothes when he transforms.  If these clothes are
stolen, he is trapped in wolf form until they are recovered.  The story is
supposedly based on early Western European werewolf legends, probably from
Celtic myth.


							DarkWolf
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: ferret@metaphor.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Stephen King's SleepWalkers
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:25:17 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ferret@metaphor.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Dec11.142309.25897@walter.bellcore.com>, tld@moon.base.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson) writes:
> 
> BTW - Stephen King appears in a cameo role as the graveyard 
> caretaker....
> 
	And in the same scene, Clive Barker has a cameo as one of the paramedics /homicide investigators.

> Also - during the closing credits, a very haunting, melancholy
> melody is played:  Does anyone know what the name of the melody
> is, and who composed it?
> 

	I just saw this movie recently, I believe the song played in the credits was a song by the artist Enya, from her self-titled album.  The song title is "Boadecia" (or some close spelling thereof).  You can find her works under the New Age section in any music store.  I highly recommend her work.

	Ken Lipka
	ferret@engin.umich.edu
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Culkinator! Was: Re: JACOBs LADDER
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:45:10 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec15.040923.14174@vlsi.polymtl.ca>,
d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:
>Elizabeth G. Levy (egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>:
>: _Home Alone 2_ has now grossed over $90 million.
>:
>:       ** Macaulay Culkin: HE MUST BE STOPPED !!!! **
>
>Can't be more right, wow is he a dud.

People like Macaulay Culkin are part of the reason I hate kids so
much.

-Gina
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:35:37 EST
From: <MLH119@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: SHINING soundtrack

I know this has probably been covered before and I am sorry for any
inconvenience, but what is the name of the piece of classical music used for
part of the soundtrack to the Shining?
I do know that the composer is Bela Bartok if that helps.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

Michael Hock --- MLH119 at PSUVM
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:52:11 GMT

>>Predictable?!  You must be the only person (at least, that I know)
>>who thought this.  Most people needed to watch the movie about 5
>>times before they had a gist of what was going on.
>Ron - Since I haven't YET fiigered it out, could you explain it?<g>
Haf the fun of the film is working it out. I LOVED it.
(Sorry... I just had to say summat about it..)

Speaking of predictabillity... thinking JL is predictabe could be
half excusable, but I know someone who told me they thought Naked
Lunch was. I think he has a probem. 

>- Bowen -
MNSio

Schup!
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com (Bruce Reagan)
Subject: Another short story title?
Reply-To: reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Federal Systems-Mapping
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:34:53 GMT

A friend of mine tells me about this short story that was supposed to have been in our 8th grade
lit book.  He says the title is "Wide O..." but I can't seem to find a story by that name.  It's about
this lady whose husband and son go hunting out the woods and while they are away she hangs
out in her room to try to stay warm but it continues to grow cold as it gets dark.  Finally, she gets
up and discovers that no wonder it's cold, the front door is wide o...

If anybody has any idea what the correct title or author of this story is I would really appreciate
it.  Also, if you know of any collections it might have appeared in I would appreciate that too. 
Thanks. 

-- 
Bruce Reagan
reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Horror & Rock N' Roll?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:51:26 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec18.214102.9193@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Exactly!  I was referring to death metal.  And if you think all those
>bands can't play music, just listen to "Necrotism: Descanting the
>Insalubrius" by Carcass.  Those guys are fantastic musicians.  I agree
>that it is pretty mindless.  It's all shock value.  But then again, some
>of my favorite movies are nothing but shock value.
>
>                                                      ->Spice

Maybe you were referring to death metal, but there is better, more
horrific music out there.  As mentioned before, try Diamanda Galas.
 Also The Swans, Christian Death, COIL (a personal fave), Current
93, etc.  This stuff will make you rip our your intestines and wrap
them around your neck.  Great stuff.

-Gina
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Poppy Z. Brite
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:39:41 GMT

Thorin Nielson asks about Brite's _Lost_Souls_, the first hardback in
the Dell Abyss series.  I recommend T. Liam McDonald's review of this
book, which can be found in the Fall '92 issue of _Cemetery_Dance_.
It would be a good excuse to check out _CD_, an excellent magazine
for horror devotees.  I posted the _CD_ subscription info not long
ago (because the same issue contains Stephen King's new "Chattery
Teeth") but if you need it again, just holler.

							--Fiona
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Poppy Z. Brite
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.170014.5327@nmsu.edu> tnielson@kirk.NMSU.Edu (THORIN NIELSON) writes:
>
>Someone, whose opinion I do not completely trust, recommended this persons book  
>to me. I think the title is "Lost Souls" and I don't entirely know what it's  
>about. I also believe it's relatively new.

An absolutely wonderful book. Her short fiction is also first rate.

Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:46:43 GMT

>>
>> Is that kid in Jacob's Ladder the same one who's in those pathetic Home Alone
>>movies?
>
although it was somewhat predictable, i thought that was a fine film. i 
especially like the part where whats-her-name has sex with the deamon on the 
dance floor... :-)

Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Why do people hate Culkin?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:11:30 GMT

Yeh, and on a similar note, what does Culkin have to do with horror?
(...other than a minor role in "Jacob's Ladder," that is.)

							--Fiona  <sigh>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: an1816@anon.penet.fi (an1816)
Subject: Koontz list
X-Anonymously-To: alt.horror
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:46:12 GMT

A while back someone posted a list of Dean Koontz books (using all of his pen
names).
could someone either repost it or e-mail it to me...
Thanx...


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From: shawn.golmon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Shawn Golmon) 
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Dolores Claiborne & Geral
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: shawn.golmon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Shawn Golmon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

KG>From: kjetilgr@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Granlien)
KG>Newsgroups: alt.horror
KG>Subject: Dolores Claiborne & Gerald's Game

  KG>...My question is: What is this about the 'total eclipse'? It
  KG>seems as if SK is obssesed by the thing.. . It is as he thinks of
  it as a  KG>'perfect' occasion for something to go wrong. Is this
  maybe to add some KG>mysticism to 'ordinary' happenings which don't
  have any supernatural 'bout KG>them in the first place?

Hi Kjetil,  I'm brand new to this conference and only just read your
note.  If you had ever experienced a real total solar eclipse, you'd
KNOW.  Its a really startling experience -- all animals cease making
noise. The world feels dark, empty, and full of unknown dangers. Its as
if day (the time of light and normal activity where "consciousness"
rules) has been engulfed by the forces of darkness.  The only analogy to
the level of fear that is tapped here is an experience I had once at the
New York Museum of Natural History over 20 years ago.  You walk through
some sort of tunnel to go from one room to another. The tunnel is not
well lit, and its still somewhat dark when you emerge. Looking to your
right you see that there is an enormous cave bear (its the entrance to a
"caveman" type exhibit) and immediately, with no rational thought at
all, you leap wildly to the left (where the is nothing at all for a
considerable distance suggesting that this is a not uncommon
experience). It can be argued that part of our ancestral memory (we do
come from folks who used to dwell in caves) developed to deal with this
deadlier side of survival (cave bears were huge and deadly in close
quarters).

For primitives, the Sun was (at least) a God, a very strong God. For
many a bit more advanced, he was (is? <g>) the ONLY GOD. To have Him or
Her slain by the forces of darkness would be a truly scary event
leading rapidly to all sorts of chaos. I expect that SK is just
trying to use this as a symbol (or myth or archetype of the
collective unconscious as the Jungians would call it) for its power. If
it feels phony, I'd suggest that its got more to do with SK than with
the image itself.

Haven't read any of his more recent stuff so can't help at all with the
rest of your question.  Hope this is useful anyway.
---
 . SLMR 2.1a . It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Horror & Rock N' Roll?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:21:50 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Maybe you were referring to death metal, but there is better, more
 > horrific music out there.  As mentioned before, try Diamanda
 > Galas.
 >  Also The Swans, Christian Death, COIL (a personal fave), Current
 > 93, etc.  This stuff will make you rip our your intestines and
 > wrap them around your neck.  Great stuff.

Well, I dunno about the goth stuff.  I'm gonna have to throw in my vote
for the Misfits, Samhain, and other music by Glenn Danzig.  He runs the
gamut from horror-inspired hardcore, to Jim Morrison-inspired metal
mostly dealing with anti-Christian and satanic themes, to a symphonic/
creepy soundtrack music album he's recently composed.  A lot of
different musical styles over the years.

Those who love this type of music are, of course, encouraged to see
about joining Plan 9, the Glenn Danzig mailing list.  For information or
to subscribe, contact gregh@cc.gatech.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: Re: The Culkinator! Was: Re: JACOBs LADDER
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:51:41 GMT

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>In article <Bz94MG.E4I@newcastle.ac.uk> S.E.Rigden@newcastle.ac.uk (SER) writes:
>>
>> I don't know if this post belongs in alt.horror, but what I want to know is :
>>
>> Is that kid in Jacob's Ladder the same one who's in those pathetic Home Alone
>>movies?

>Yes.


>_Home Alone 2_ has now grossed over $90 million.

>	** Macaulay Culkin: HE MUST BE STOPPED !!!! **

He will be, Elizabeth.  Considering what happens to child actors in Hollywood,
I think we can book a room for Mac at Betty Ford, or Bellevue when he enters
adolescence.  

christina O'Sullivan
cosulliv@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: alt.horror