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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga No OS?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:48:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.195723.14013@cco.caltech.edu> hyongel@cco.caltech.edu (Hyong Chol Lee) writes:
>BTW, the A600 isn't much of an improvement over the A500 ...

I neer caught _exactly_ to point behind the A600.  I gather it is a slicker
A500 + hard drive internally, right?  Does anybody know the real differences?

A PCer wants to know:

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:45:07 GMT

>>	I would say Ultima Underworld is pretty inovative.
>
>I haven't seen this.  How much hard-drive real-estate does it take up?  None 
>of my PC owning friends seem to want to spend more than 5meg (of h/d real-
>estate) on a game and won't pay more than $0 dollars for it.  So I doubt I 
>see it in action.  I've haven't seen Wing Commander yet either...  Piracy is 
>getting pretty rampant over on the pc-side.  I don't know anyone who has the 
>original Windows package!

	Ultima Underworld takes up about 13 meg of HD if I remember right. 
   It also works under OS2, which is a bonus for me.  Great game.  I actually
   bought mine ( along with everything else I own ) from Software Etc.

							G.Greene


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From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: test
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 04:15:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>dtiberio@pdnfido.fidonet.org WRITES:
>TEST test

test test
test test
test test
Lovely test, Wonderful test

[suddenly a can of SPAM falls out of the sky and bonks you on the head]

Eureka Watson!  It worked!

-Gleeep
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Commodore Announces CD Solution Promotion
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:43:43 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.225740.1795@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>[please, don't make me repeat any of that, ok?]

As you will all remember, long ago I predicted that when Commodore
announced the "buy an A3000, get a free CDTV" promotion, MB's immediate
response would be a minimum of two full screens of complaining and
whining.

Once again I have demonstrated my omniscience, omnipotence and
omnipresence where MB is concerned.
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From: peter@blade (Peter Korsten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:17:04 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
: 
: I must say that Commodore has done a good job with the A4000.  I like
: the modular design allowing the CPU to be upgraded.  The new graphics
: capabilities are excellent.  The best part about the new system is the
: surprisingly low price.  I still wonder about the recently advertised
: A3000T/040 ($6000!).
: 
: There are a few things Commodore should be doing immediately:
: [I skipped the parts I agree with]

: 2>  Drop the A600.  The base Amiga should at least include AmigaDOS 3.0
:     and the AGA chips.

A600 -> low cost -> high sales -> much profit

You should consider the fact that the Amiga isn't quite the standard
business machine. Instead, most people (who don't know sh*t about
computers) buy PCs instead. The A600 is a nice entry model, you can
play all kinds of games on it, with even better quality than the
normal Sega/Nintendo consoles and you can run small business or
educative programs on it. The A600 can bring in the cash, so that
more hardware for the entire range could be developed.

: 4>  Take advantage of the expansion provided in the A4000.  If third
:     parties do not immediately release certain products, then Commodore
:     should.
:     a>  A 386 BrideBoard for less than $500.  Such a board can use the
:         standard AGA graphics to provide full SVGA support.

The AA-chipset doesn't support all SVGA features, like 800x600 or
1024x768 in 256 colors.

Furthermore, I have always doubted the use of a bridgeboard. Well,
they've made the SX board, so why not a real 386? Maybe because
designing a full 32-bit bridgeboard is more complex and because
you would have to make it a Zorro III board (-> no A2000) to make
full use of the 32 bit bus. Well, at least we would see a
Zorro III board...

:     b>  A 24-bit display board.  This is an easy and inexpensive upgrade
:         for the A4000.  The boards available now must create a 24-bit
:         palette, while the A4000 already has this.

There are numbers of 24-bit boards. I don't know about 3.0, but system
software supporting these would do the trick.

:     c>  An 040/33MHz package would be nice.  They could include the 24-bit
:         display as Apple does with the Quadra 950.

It won't take too long for third party developers to make those boards.
If there would be a possibility to get a refund from Commodore when
you would trade in your standard processor board...

: -- Gerald

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From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falc
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:11:03 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>In article <tony.716080993@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>>
>>>No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer is
>>>a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the Intel CPU.
>>
>>Heh.....funny you don't think that about one operating system grafted on top
>>of another as being a kludge.  Or, do you actually feel this way about
>>Windows?
>>
OK, then when my 040 Amiga runs a software PC emulator, it's not a kludge,
right?  I wanna know this, cause you've indicated in the past that it is.


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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:36:51 GMT

lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop) writes:

>    Interesting enough how you are making your own assumptions based upon
>second and third hand reports.  In actuality, it depends on personal opinion
>as to how fast the new chipset is under high resolution, 256 color mode.
>Most liken it to the speed of an A3000 under a 640x400 interlaced 16 color
>WorkBench.  Under lesser modes the machine is very snappy indeed.  Please
>do not make unfair comparisons before you've actually seen the system Marc.

He wasn't using a second hand report.  He was using mine.  I tried one of the
things out, and it was much slower (in 256 color mode) than my A3000 in
16 color mode.

But, in the lower color modes, it was great...

keith
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does AGA = HAME on a chip(s)?
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep15.162549.20789@javelin.sim.es.com> dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) writes:
> 
> I don't remember the exact specs on the HAME board, BUT after thinking
> a bit last night, it seems that the AGA chips have some of the flavor
> of the HAME board.

AGA owes *nothing* to Black Belt.  AGA has a rather obvious extension of
the original 6-bit HAM modes to make use of the 8-bitplane support in
AGA.

>                       Also, weren't there rumors at one time that there
> was collaboration between Black Belt and CBM?

Black Belt once made some rather cryptic comments which could be interperted
in this way by the credulous.
From: i897515@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (DERF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:21:03 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <kkrebs.013j@amilink.UUCP> amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs) writes:
>
[bit on DSP deleted]


>Also - I've heard that the A4000 has CPU modules and the actual machine
>comes without a processor in it.  You have to decide which processor module
>you want included in it.  If this is true, it sounds pretty nifty.  This
>particluar rumor sounds wrong, though.  It sounds like someone was reading
>a clone magazine and saw an ad for some clone that had this capability
>(I've seen some ads that showed these CPU modules) and then formulated it
>into an A4000 rumor.
>
I remember Dave Haynie saying once that he designed into the A3000 the
ability for it to have no on board CPU and that it could be booted off
an internal card in the FAST slot (as the A3000T '040 does).  This
sounds like a rumor with the POTENTIAL to be factual as relevant to
any A4000 that may exist.  
Personally, I like the idea.  An '020 is about all I could afford
anyway.
Also saves paying for two CPU's if you ever decide to upgrade
to something better. ie. A3000's today. + '040.

Craig Arnoldt

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>
>So....anyone else have any juicy stuff they know/have heard about the
>A4000?
>
>
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY'S TRUE DANGER REVEALED!
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:45:27 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <torrie.715668061@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> by torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie):

> >   PHASE 6 "...CDTV is dead..."

    ...

>   So it would appear you're well-entrenched in Phase 6 then Mike?

    Seems to me from that article that he is actually in the humor
    phase.

> Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 01:06:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.234454.24261@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>
>Same here.  I have no problem with backing up to floppy.

   My hard drive was corrupted last week. I swore then and there I would never
backup and restore to disks again. It takes too much time that I would much
rather do something else with. The idea of feeding a computer disks isn't all
that exciting. I'd much rather set up a tape backup, tell it to backup my 
drive, go watch TV for half an hour, and then come back and get to work.
   Life is much too short for disk backups. My tape backup will be SCSI - and
probably Commodore's A3070 to boot. 

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:23:13 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>>I think you're wrong on that one.  Standard VGA use 31.5 KHz horizontal
>>syncing frequency and 60 Hz vertical non-interlaced refresh.  And I don't
>>think EGA and CGA is interlaced either.
>
>I though I'd inject here that IBMs vaunted XGA and 8514 cards are
>interlaced video. How more official can you get? IBM uses interlaced video.
>

So?  IBM also displays that video on their 8514 fixed-frequency monitor
with extended-duration phosphor.  The long-delay phosphor makes it a little
more bearable, but it still looks worse than a cheap non-interlaced monitor,
and moving the mouse leaves a "smoke trail".

>
>If one does not like interlace flicker on their Amiga then they can
>get hardware to fix it. It's cheap and you can fix ANY amiga to solve the
>interlaced video flicker "problem".
>

How much does it cost?

>
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:02:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>
>>Yes, it does.  Please get informed, Philip.  Maybe that way you won't post
>>any more lies.
>
>Try using language other than lying. It is rather upsetting.
>

Sorry, but when you keep repeating the same "falsehood" over and over, it's
rather upsetting, too.

>
>I don't call
>bank switching getting around the 640k barrier. You can't address, in a
>linear fashion, 16megs with Windows and you very well know it.
>

It's not linear (it's segmented), but it's *not* bank switching like EMS.

>
>You might as 
>well say that LIM4.0 gets around the 640k barrier. Please try to give a
>reasonable explanation about how Windows gets around the 640k barrier. 
>Several people here would like to know. By here, I mean our systems' people.
>

If you want to know how Windows gets around the 640KB barrier, read a book
about the 286 CPU, especially about Protected Mode operation.

>>
>>Windows applications run in protected mode, where the 640K limit does not
>>apply.  A Windows application's code and/or data may be larger than 640K.
>
>Fine. Does it use 64k bank switching or not? I'd really suggest you get
>in touch with a whole lot of vendors who would love to have your secrets.
>I won't accuse you of lying, but I suspect you are withholding information
>in order to make Windows appear to be something it is not.
>

I'm withholding nothing.  Memory access is segmented.  Code segments are
each limited to 64K, but an application may have multiple code segments.
Data segments are each limited to 64K, but an application may have multiple
data segments.  Furthermore, data segments may be tiled (read a book) to
create objects that are larger than 64K.  All of this complexity is hidden
when you use Windows calls.  Everyone who develops for Windows knows this.
Take a look at the PageMaker executable.  It has something like 99 code
segments of various sizes, and the executable is well over a megabyte (and no,
there are no overlays in Windows applications).

But, I suppose that as long as you're too lazy to get informed, you'll keep
saying that Windows has a 640K limit.
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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: number of infinite loops
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:00:47 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep10.120126.2945@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>- There are a finite number of computers in the world, C
>- There exists a set of C elements, P containing the 
>...

>Go on Skip, prove my assumptions wrong! :)

Well, I'm not Skip, and I've never played one on TV, but I'l give it a crock.

"It's probably quantum"

Due to the uncertainty principle, an infinite number of computers can exist for
an infinitesimal amount of time.  It is therefore reasonable to expect
that an infinite number of computers exist at any time-slice of the time-space
continuum which are in infinite loops.  Unfortunately the existence of these
beasts is ephemeral (unless they're Macs, in which case they're ethereal, but
that's a different story) at best.  In fact, the continuity of their existence
is provably disjoint -- which I suppose means that the "noise" of their
reality is lost on the "signal" of ours.  Either that or it means they've never
smoked pot -- or perhaps they never inhaled.

This could be explained by the fact that computer fans generally "blow"
instead of "suck", but that's another story too....

And as there are quite a number of computer fans here in csaa, this in turn
explains the general good humour around here ;}

But I digress.  You assume continuity over a finite, non-zero space-time
region, whereas the claim was that "at any given instance", which implies
a ZERO length time dimension.

QED

>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 

How'd I do?

"No one likes a smart-ass, Dave" -- my father.

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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FLASH a4000 price
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:51:41 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Sep10.133656.4304@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
=>	Safe Harbor, a rather large local and mail-order company is reporting
=>a price of $2859 on the a4000.  The owner has been very very _very_ reliable
=>in the past and has never spread false information before.  Thats about it.
=>Again, I take this price seriously.  No indication of what it includes
=>or anything.      
=
=	Speaking of the A4000 and mail order companines, does Commodore allow
=   you to buy the higher-end Amigas through mail order now?  I know for a 
=   long time only the A500 seemed to be available through it.
=
	If they get it through Mericel then what's C= going to do? Anybody
	with a Mericel account can get any Amiga they want, that's the
	POINT of the Mericel deal...

		-Rob
From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Enough AGA!  WANTED:  WRKBNCH2.1 SPEED INCREASE INFO!
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:33:01 GMT
Organization: Utah State University



  I used to be worried about the AGA not fitting in A3000s (like mine),
  but have decided for my purposes, 256 color 800x600 mode isn't quite
  needed.  I don't view GIFs all day long...

  Anyways, now my concerns have changed from AGA to Workbench 2.1

  Ok, so the preferences have been updated, the Icon Editor a little
  better, CrossDOS, and the fabled "locale.library"

  Those are nice features, but what I am looking for is SPEED!
  I am assuming (not to make an ass out of me and you or something)
  that SOME code has been changed for better efficiency.  So, what
  speed increase is there?  Any?  Or is 2.1 just 2.04 with some
  "extras" programs, a library, and new preference editors.

  And, when can I order 2.1?  And what cost?

  Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu
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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:25:56 GMT

>> GVP EGS? Well, it does 1600*1280 in 16M colors too...
>>
>
>Has anyone seen this EGS for real?

	It was on display at the CBM show in Sydney. Basicaly what you have
is an accelarator replacing the A2000 68000 and a grafx card replacing the chip set. So You are buying another computer minus the keayboard.

>
>> --
>> Jarkko Lindblad
>> lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
>
	George
From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The BOOK that will CHANGE YOUR LIFE
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:43:20 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <ALANB.92Sep9162913@swordfish.sdl.mdcbbs.com> alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins) writes:
}>>>>> On 8 Sep 92 20:35:03 GMT, barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) said:
}
}> 	o	How to win at BLAZEMONGER and lose only 2 limbs!
}
}> ?	Can't win at BLAZEMONGER?  [See page 3,719 to learn why it's
}>       not possible.
}
}Shome mishtake here, shurely??

Read the book!



Lance "1-800-THE-BOOK" Franklin

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