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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: ace wicked
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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Date: 11 Nov 92 01:23:47 EST

Re:  Ongoing Ace like/hate controversy:

Hello, I'd like to have an arguement.
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From: kihlstro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Merlin)
Subject: HELP!!!!!
Keywords: WTTW channel 11 chicago ...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:18:48 GMT


Can anyone help me and tell me when Dr.WHO is returning to the  Chicagoland
area?


Thank-you very much ...


cory c. kihlstrom
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From: prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?       
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 18:15:27 CST
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 -=> Quoting Stephen Gilmour to All <=-


 SG> I saw a show on tv today called "Dr Who". It was really good.....
 SG> anyone know anything about it? 
 SG> S Gilmour

	Hiya Steve! Sure, we know about Doctor Who! Ask me a specific question,
I'll give you a specific answer! But in the meantime, keep watchin'! Enjoy 
it, it's a very imaginitive programme. 

			See ya!
			Timelord Pat

... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
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From: duzan@tweety.cis.udel.edu (Gary D. Duzan)
Subject: Re: Stallone buys TARDIS
Organization: Your Organization Could Be Here!
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:09:15 GMT

In article <WHITEHEC.92Nov5113908@panda.cs.man.ac.uk> whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (C J Whitehead) writes:
=>
=>Apparently Sylvester Stallone bought a police box at an auction
=>of TV memorobilia.  It wasn't the Doctor Who prop,  but an identical
=>one from Dixon of Dock Green.  God knows what he wants it for!

   Maybe he is planning on playing the Doctor in the Doctor Who movie
and is wanting to practice. :-)

                                        Gary Duzan
                                        Time  Lord
                                    Third Regeneration



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From: davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!  AND SO DO I
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:16:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Ah. Well, catching up on news, (Wow it's been a while, but things haven't 
changed at all! :-)) ...

I wasn't going to say anything about this argument about Ace. I really think
it's a silly thing to argue about (Well, ya could be arguing about the Doc's
age again or something ... so it's not quite that silly yet), but anyhow ...
it seems kind of pointless. Personally, I like Ace. She's a favorite of mine.
I think she's pretty tough, and a refreshing change that reflects the chang-
ing role of women, and, more importantly, the changing perceptions of them.
Make sense? Regardless of whether one likes the character or not, one must
(I think anyway) concede that it's a nice step towards putting women in a 
position of some equality to men in the show--intellectually, and the other
things, like ... just the way that situations were handled, i.e. taking ac-
tion rather than whining and screaming. Whether you like the way it was done,
it was a positive step, I think, on the part of the show. 

This brings me back some ways to some thread of "Is Doctor Who Sexist" that 
I recall from way back. I don't know why, or what relevance that particular
thread has. 

Anyway ... each to his own opinion. I see this (and other) newsgroups as an
exchange of ideas and of thought. Personal attacks (I speak generally here)
detract from one's argument and serve really no useful purpose. Let's keep
that in mind ... and try to argue the merits of an idea, or the flaws in it,
rather than attack the character of the posters. Seems that all of our news
reading will be much more enjoyable and informative that way.

For what it's worth, my response to the Ace thing ... I like Ace and, regard-
less of her shortcomings, see her as a positive step in the show. Looking 
forward to more (should there be more to come) in future from The Beeb.


-- 
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Riff-Raff #4
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From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Baggs Latest (spoilers)
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:48:19 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

C.J.Malley1@lut.ac.uk (CJ Malley) writes:

Spoilers ahead......................



















>Has anyone got any news about Bill Baggs' latest project? I read the plot
>teaser in CT, but I'm anxious to find out more.
>For anyone who hasn't seen More Than A Messiah yet, it is brill, and comes
>highly recommended.

Who are you trying to kid.  I watched More than a Messiah last night and it was
awfull!!

For a start, the duplication was poor.  There was a lot of dropout on the tape
and it was in mono lo-fi.

Then the picture quality was poor.  There were fuzzy edges to objects and any
areas of saturated colour were dropping into B/W, especially at the top of the
screen.

Now to the direction....

    There were at least two continuity errors:-  Once the sky was seen but it
was not greenified.
    When Colin put his coat around Sophie, it cut to both Colin and Sophie
wearing coats, even though colin had taken his off.

    The special effect for the green sky looked poor, 'cos non of the light on
the planet was in the slightest bit green.  Also one or  two of the efects
looked very cheap.

    The shot with Nicola reading the computer screen was an overlayed video
pause.  It looked bad.

    When, in the caves, Sophie was standing facing colin, with sophie facing to
the left, she fell to the right, then facing right, stood up, and the  next cut
had her facing left towards colin again.  It really jarred.

When Peter Miles shot his gun it looked like he was play acting on playschool,
(Not Peter's fault, but the directors).

The face of the ape looked very plasticy.  Like a child's play mask.

Apart from that, the plot was poor, and iit took colin at the end to explain to
the viewers what had happened....

I wouldn't have complained so much about Baggs' production, but with having
proper actors, and charging over 10 pounds for the 45 minute tape he must be
considered at least semi-professional.  If people pay for his productions they
must at least know that what they are getting is a very amatuer production with
bland and bad direction and dodgy sfx.  BTW, the incidental music is quite
good, but very twee and cliched.


>If there are any rumours about which stories are to be repeated next year,
>I'm sure a great many people would be interested.
>I wrote the Isle of Wight review in this month's CT, and will try to field any
>questions about the exhibition.
>Thanks.

  Graeme,

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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Seventh Doc Quality
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:09:49 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov10.122121.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.022953.24751@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>> overacted like crazy.  I couldn't *stand* her...I have no idea why, as you
>> say, she's the most popular companion.  Please enlighten me.  Personally, I
>> find it hard to believe that people like this baseball-bat wielding
>> two-year-old mentality companion better than, say, the incomparable Romana
>> or the fascinating Jamie.  Come on, even Turlough was more fun than Ace!

>I liked Ace because she had real human emotions. She hurt. She cared. She had
>the impulsiveness of teenagers. She had guts. Sophie Alred is a good actress.
>The character was given depth. She was anti-ractist (and too many kids I know
>are racist, even if they wouldn't consider themselves so). She lived in a world
>of broken families, firebombed flats, rock music. I can forgive the Nitro-9.
>It's just one element of the girl (and not the most important, even if the
>most obvious). And she got really annoyed with the Doctor. 

>Nobody I know hates her. My 14-year-old niece only watches post-Tom Baker 
>stories that have Ace in them. So she appealed to some.

>Edward

Well, now you know someone who hates her.

Drewcifer
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: city of death
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:14:36 EST

The last I heard was that they might never be done----apparently D.A.
holds the rights on these stories, but Target can't pay him enought to
novelize them.  So, no one else is going to and he's not.  I suggest fan
mail via his "Dirk Gently/Hitchhiker's" publishers to get him to "soften
up".  Also, check the Dirk books for snippets of Shada.
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From: jeffv@physics.ubc.ca (Jeff Vavasour)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Off-screen adventures
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:26:36 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca

domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:

>In <BxI9M9.LJB@newcastle.ac.uk> B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams) writes:

>>otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein) writes:

>>>If not, would any qualified people care
>>>to put together such a list including the story which refers to the
>>>previous adventure and any details about it which are revealed.

>>Well I'm prepared to start the ball rolling. Here's what I thought of:

>[list deleted]

>>That's about all I can think of at the moment. Any more takers?

>Shada: The Doctor mentions that he visited Chronotis on 4 (or 5) other
>occasions.

What about the references to "Merlin"'s earlier visit in Battlefield?
It'd be neat to see the first/next adventure in that one.  The Doctor ought
to have a decided advantage upon his next encounter with Morgaine and 
Arthur.

- Jeff
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace?  More like deuce... here's a new slant
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:38:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Nov12.183823.8685
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov12.152726.319@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

[What do you think about Leela]

I found Leela to be a fun character, but she didn't have much leeway in her 
character (does any Who character have depth?).  If you don't like it, or 
if it in the least bit threatening kill it with a janus thorn.  Well, that 
is rather flat.  But when you combine Leela's Eliza Doolittle type 
characteristics with the action, you get some fun.  And then you also have 
to remember that she had K-9 for the most part to also play off of.

Is Ace a modern Leela?  Yes, no - some similarities, some differences.  
Both don't take much crap, or have much fear, and they both take a rather 
aggressive approach to solutions.  Both are keenly intuitive to a 
certain degree, though Leela has a hunter's - predator's - intuition.  Ace
rationalizes more, and is smarter.  

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

It was a dark and stormy night, a shot range out, and the butler died.  
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: i like ace, dag-nabbit!
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:35:30 EST

I just haven't seen enough of the McCoys to decide if I like Ace in the
show, but she did pretty well in the Virgin New Adventures that I've
read.  However, they have used the same Ace-related plot devices in
*every* novel I've read and show I've seen, and if it is really every
one (and not just my bad luck), then I could see where a viewer would
get tired of it.

On the other hand, that seems to be more a problem with plotting than
character.  The character I like.
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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: Missing episode list needs to be posted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:23:59 GMT

danaf@rs6405.ecs.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.124506.263@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>|> In article <Bx7zKE.8K9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:
>|> 
>|> THE MISSING EPISODES  (by story names only)
>|> 
>|> FIRST DOCTOR - WILLIAM HARTNELL
>|> 
>|> Season Four
>|> 	The Smugglers (all 4)

>Aren't we being optimistic, removing The Tenth Planet?   8)

 NO, NOT REALLY, CONSIDERING THE TENTH PLANET 4 IS DEFINITELY BACK AT THE BBC.
 WHY IS IT SOME PEOPLE WILL JUST NOT BELIEVE?
 ITS NOT BEING OPTIMISTIC, IT WAS JUST UPDATING THE FILE.....

>|> Steve.K.Manfred

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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace...is there a real life comparison?
Keywords: lkjhbkijgfkijgbkjb
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:29:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BxI8pE.Jy2@newcastle.ac.uk> B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams) writes:

>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:


>[LOADS of stuff edited]


>>Everyone says that because of <insert argument here>, the show lasted 26
>>years.  It lasted 26 years because People Loved It.  End of story.  Note
>>that it ended soon after Ace arrived.

>??????????

>Is this guy for real?????

No, I'm imaginary.  :)

>Is he really saying that it ended because Ace arrived??????

>Well I'm convinced. :-)

>Barry.

No, and this is really my last word on this, *honest*, I wasn't saying that
at all.  I was just being mischievous and annoying.  It amuses me to think
that, however....

Drewcifer
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From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: Re: Logopolis title theory
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:53:46 GMT

In article <Bx5C8x.6A3@newcastle.ac.uk> G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>
> Here's a theory ....
>
>      the LOGO of the POLIS.            TA-DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Coinicidence? Can anyone shed any more light on how Christopher H. Bidmead
>came up with the title?
>
> So if my theory holds, what does CASTROVALVA and FRONTIOS have to do with the
>content of their stories??

A quick (note, quick) scrounge through the dictionary and Latin and Greek
textbooks yields the following alternatives:

  Logopolis:  City of Discourse; City of Study ... The Logopolitans "mutter".
	      :-) I think I prefer the Logo of the Polis idea.
  Castrovalva:  Cut into small pieces and rolled or wrapped up ... that does
		kind of describe what happened to Castrovalva.
  Frontios:  On the very edge (or limit) ... Wasn't Frontios a planet on the
	     farthest edge of the galaxy, inhabited by the last of the humans?
	     (been a while since I watched that one)

The Castrovalva design looks like M.C.Escher art, IMHO.  Was "Castrovalva"
something he drew?

And, anyway, would the authors etc. of Dr. Who *really* have gone into all
that etymology for their titles?

Robin Hilp  rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com
"All most of us get is Mind that bus, What bus, Splat."
Beliefs, opinions, and attitudes expressed herein are mine.

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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Subject: Re: All the Doctors are the Best
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:29:53 GMT

In article <1335@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labaks@emory.edu (Abraham Song) writes:
>You know I am sick of hearing about which Doctor was the best and
>which was the worst.  If you are a *TRUE* fan of Doctor Who (the
>Greatest Science Fiction Series of all time) then you should not be
>stating which Doctor is the best!!  


Ah, yes, the cry of the self-proclaimed "true fan". They show up in
every newsgroup. There are "true fans" of Star Trek, "true fans" of
various musical groups, etc. They all have a few things in common:

1. Criticism of <insert subject here> of which they are a 
   "true fan" is not tolerated. When criticism rears its ugly 
   head, the "true fan" sticks his own head into a hole in the 
   ground, so as not to have to hear it.

   If said action does not work, the "true fan" always yells, "Enough!
   How dare you criticize! You are not *true fans*, for *true fans*
   never say anything bad about <insert subject here>!!"

2. "True fans" worship <insert subject here>. Everyone associated
   with <insert subject here> is deemed to be of minor-deity 
   proportions by the "true fan". Because of this god-like status,
   those associated with <insert subject here> are, of course, 
   incapable of error. Thus, anyone who sings anything but praises 
   of <insert subject here> is committing blasphemy.

3.  "True fans" are closed-minded fanatics who refuse to hear any
   arguments that <insert subject here> might have not have lived
   up to its potential, or that parts of it may, in fact, be just
   plain bad.
 
4. "True fans" never realize that people's opinions vary, and they
   labor under the delusion that anyone who doesn't share *their*
   opinion is not showing the proper reverence for <insert subject
   here>. 

5. In short, "true fans" are a pain in the ass. Thank god I'm a *FAKE*
   fan.

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From: bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Colin Baker poll
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:12:10 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

What is the general opinion of Colin Baker's version of the Doctor?  My local
PBS station recently started showing the episodes where he portrays the Doctor,
and so far, I'm not impressed.  I've seen Pertwee, Tom Baker, and Davison, and
I've liked each of them much better than Colin Baker.  What are some other
opinions out there?


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From: fnord@cs.mcgill.ca (Andrew KUCHLING)
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!  Well, some don't.
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:11:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.163226.281@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>You don't care whether or not you can relate to the characters you're
>watching?  That IS what makes a character interesting!
>That was the point of having companions in the first place, and for the
>first time in the series' history they had a kid who was much more realistic
>in her attitudes and actions than in the past and it worked wonders.

So to be interested by Silence of the Lambs, I must relate to a serial killer?
Nonsense!  While being able to relate to a character does make things more
interesting, it is not a requirement.  Think of the concept of an antihero:
someone can be interesting while inspiring absolutely no sympathetic
reaction of "I'm a lot like that."  

	I don't find Ace the most annoying character in DW, but I'm amazed 
by this constant lionizing of her, and I actively dislike the focus 
upon her in the later stories and in the novels.  The major focus must
always be the Doctor; the development of secondary characters is merely
trimming.  After all, if I really cared about the state of British teenagers
I'd be watching documentaries!

	Andrew Kuchling
	fnord@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Ace?  More like deuce... here's a new slant
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:27:26 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> Gorden Bennett, I *couldn't* believe anyone does like her!
> 
> Drewcifer


Here's a new slant on this Drew.  Did you like Leela?  
I can recall someone near me at a convention calling Ace "a modern-day
Earth version of Leela,"  and thinking that that did apply well.
What do you lot think, not just Drew.

Steven.K.Manfred



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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: DOUGLAS ADAMS IN CHICAGO TONIGHT!!!!!!
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:21:40 GMT

this might be too late, but douglas adams will be at the krochs & brentanos
tonight in evanston, illinois, for those of you in the greater chicagoland
area, at 7:30!  BE THERE!!!!!
 
                            ggreg
 
 
 
 
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: episodes vs. stories
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:47:04 EST

Steve Manfred wrote:
-------------------
-> I would, however, like to point out the words "story" and "movie" as
-> acceptable synonyms for "serial," especially "story."  (Movie is a
-> little inaccurate.)

 I agree with the useage "story". I define "episode" as a _part_ of a
story.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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