HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: kashrut howls
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:38:30 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <1gt04bINNiom@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>I can CMLOR, but if anyone happens to know offhand. . .
>Last night we accidentally (of course!) washed a fleishig pot with a 
>dairy sponge.  I assume the former now has to be re-kashered?  Not 100%
>sure about this (if we'd put dairy food into it, I'd have no question about
>that, but if it's a clean but-not-new sponge used for dairy utensils--?).
>
>Sigh.
>
>			. . .Alexandra
>
I am now, as they say, none the wiser but considerably better informed.
The rabbi wanted to know:

1) were the dishes washed by hand?  (yes)
2) when had the dairy sponge last been used? (earlier in the day)
3) was the sponge clean and free of any 'dairy residue'? (yes, it was almost
   new and is rinsed between uses)
4) what was the pot made of? (enameled cast iron)

Because the sponge was clean and the water being used, though warm, was not
hot enough to burn the hand (and thus not hot enough to be considered 
'cooking' with the pot), he said it would not require rekashering.

Thank you to Hillel, Matthew, and Jonathan for their informed comments as well.

			. . .A.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: atonement thru death of righteous person
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:03:04 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22334]: bourbon

In article <1992Dec11.202334.13191@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:
>In article <1gaoa6INNlj0@coral.bucknell.edu>, () writes:
>|>      
>|> 
>|> is it a valid JEWISH concept that the death of a righteous person will
>|> expiate the sins of an entire generation,and if so,where does scripture
>|> affirm such aprinciple
>|> 
>|> michael
>
>No.
>-- 
>
Sorry, but the answer is yes. See Rashi on the death of Miriam, I
believe.(Numbers 20:1, quoting Moed KAtan 28) Of course, the Jewish
conception of this is far different than that of another religion.



David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: West Coast S.C.J. Chanukah Party
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:20:03 GMT


Since I can't make it to the East coast get-together or the Israel
get-together, I've let myself be persuaded that the west coast needs
such an event.  (Since I got caught on Long Island in the nor'easter, I'm
not remarkably willing to travel right now...)

Here's the plan - a Chanukah party at my apartment in Los Angeles (in lovely
and centrally located Pico-Robertson.)   Michelle Gross and I
will be doing the organizing and we've picked two tentative dates.
Either Sunday Dec. 20th or Sunday Dec. 27th, in the afternoon (say 4 till
7 or 8).  

Send mail to me (nadel@aero.org should work) and let me know which
is better.   We'll make a decision soon (we more or less have to if this
is going to happen) and will send directions to all.


Miriam Nadel
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus: Miracles in the Talmud
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)

SCJ is for the discussion of Judaism, not Christianity.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: atonement thru death of righteous person
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:57:10 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macl54.bucknell.edu

     







is it a valid JEWISH concept that the death of a righteous person will
expiate the sins of an entire generation,and if so,where does scripture
affirm such aprinciple

michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Finally- a straight line about noses
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:51:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.014619.1560@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi
Hausmann) writes:

>Nose jokes?  Who nose any jokes?

>I sure would hate to see the grindstone.
>Is your name Dick?
>You must love the little birdies, to give them a place to perch.
>You should try wearing something to de-emphasize your nose.  Like Canada.
>At least you can please two women at once.

>    (These are from _Roxanne_)

So that the other 20 shouldn't be left out.....

1.  Obvious: "Excuse me, is that your nose, or did a bus park on your face?"
2.  Meteorological: "Everybody take cover, she's going to blow!"
4.  Personal: "Well, here we are, just the three of us."
5.  Punctual: "All right Dellman, your nose was on time, but you were
    fifteen minutes late."
6.  Envious: "Ooh, I wish I were you, to be able to smell your own ear."
7.  Naughty: "Pardon me sir, some of the ladies have asked if you
    wouldn't mind putting that thing away."
8.  Philosophical: "You know, it's not the size of a nose that's
    important, it's what's in it what matters."
9.  Humorous: "Laugh and the world laughs with you; sneeze and it's
    goodbye Seattle."
10. Commercial: "Hi, I'm Earl Scheib, and I can paint that nose for
    Thirty-Nine Ninety-Five."
11. Polite: "Ah, would you mind not bobbing your head?  The, ah,
    orchestra keeps changing tempo."
12. Melodic: (Everybody) "He's got the whole world.. in his nose."
13. Sympathetic: "Ooh, what happened, did your parents lose a bet with God?"
15. Scientific: "Say, does that thing there influence the tides?"
17. Enquiry: "When you stop and smell the flowers, are they afraid?"
18. French: "Sir, ze pigs have refused to find any more truffles until
20. Religious: "The Lord giveth, and he just kept on giving, didn't he?"
21. Disgusting: "Say, who mows your nose hair?"
22. Paranoid: "Keep that guy away from my cocaine."
23. Romantic: "It must be wonderful to wake up in the morning and smell
    the coffee ... in Brazil."
24. Appreciative: "Ooh how original, most people have their teeth capped."

-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Hamaayan ... Vayishlach
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:02:37 GMT

In: <1992Dec10.153107.23174@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) replied to a R. Schwab
quotation:

>In article <Bz0s1v.H7@access.digex.com> ajb@access.digex.com (Alan J. Broder)
>>              ************************************
>>
>>   The Torah never says that Yaakov bowed down to Esav, notes R'
>>Shimon Schwab, shlita.  Yaakov just bowed, and since he always had
>>Hashem before his eyes, in his own view he was merely bowing before
>>G-d.  If Esav misunderstood, that was Esav's problem.
>>
>>   Chazal teach that this Parasha is our primer on how to relate to
>>our gentile masters.  Some people say that it is our "Galus
>>mentality" which leads us to bow down.  If they only knew that we
>>were merely imitating Yaakov, bowing before Hashem's will, and
>>letting the bystanders think what they may!
>>
>>                                        (Selected Writings p.295)

So asked Joel rightly:

> So, what gives with Mordechai, who was a member of the Sanhedrin.

Besides Joel  repeating the  odd Talmudic claim  that Mordechai  was a
member  of the  Sanhedrin, his  point is  well taken.   R.  Schwab  is
especially strong in  his anti historical attitude.  He  does not like
history unless it can  be presented in a way to  support his own views
on how things should have happened.  There  is no need to go as far as
Mordechai, as an counterexample of  the "Galus mentality" so many Jews
even among their  leaders held.  The grandfather of  Yaaqov, the great
Avraham himself is said  to have bowed to some "goyim"  as can be read
just a  three parashot earlier, in  Breshit (Genesis) 23 verses  7 and
12.

I am not so  naive as to think that Rabbi Schwab  and some others will
not find some way to explain away and twist that simple and clear text
of the Torah to fit their philosophy.

Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Finally- a straight line about noses
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:04:56 GMT

In article <Dec17.215115.38291@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>> Can anyone explain how this myth got started ?
>
>]Which one, the one about the noses being big or the noses being hooked??
>]...
>]The big nose myth is nonsense. It arises from the fact that Northern European
>]people have unusually small noses as compared to other white people. They
>]naturally thought that the Jews living amomg them had large noses. In
>]comparison with Southern and Western European people Jews do not have larger
>]noses.
>
>Thank you , Colin, for you answer. It was the only 
>serious one I received.  It saddens me to know that
>so many Jews support this stereotype.  I received
>lots of replies in the form of nose jokes.

I'm still betting on "because air is free." A close runner-up is
"someone dropped a quarter."
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:30:43 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <4443@cvbnetPrime.COM> hsiegel@cvbnet.prime.com (mailhost) writes:
>I found both the tone and the content of Ronald Cohen's article
><14Dec92.024858.8800@granite.ciw.edu> fully in keeping with the
>standards of menschlichkeit that we all ought to keep to.  There
>is one paragraph to which I wish to respond, however.
>
>> There are real critical differences though: O doesn't consider my kids
>> Jewish, which makes me think: if your movement doesn't accept me and my
>> family, why should I consider your opinions at all?  
>
>It was plain to me in reading this in context that it was not at all
>intended to be nasty or a flame, and I hope it will be plain that my
>response is intended the same way.

>Similarly, since O people subscribe to the binding nature of the
>traditional halacha (as developed over at least the last couple of
>thousand years), if John Smith's children have not converted to
>Judaism according to the traditional halacha, they cannot consider
>Mr Smith's children to be Jewish.

Ah, but their mother had converted to Judaism according to the
traditional halach!  The problem according to O is that they
will not recognize a C beit din.  So by O's definition it is
"not according to halacha."  Now if that is the point of O, that
only O's are kosher, than I cannot accept the O philosophy.
Note that if the O position was that the status of the
conversion is unclear until investigation, I would have no
conflict with O on this. 

I find the O point of view presumptious here, and it is a very
serious one since it affects, for instance, aliyot to Israel.

Actually, I find this confusing since the "who is a Jew law" I
thought did not pass.  Is it de facto in effect?  What about all
of the Ethiopian, Russian, etc emigrees?  Is it assumed that they
are all kosher, or not?
-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: VERED HAGALIL (was: Cholov Yisrael)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:34:57 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

I got a letter from Rav Smuel Aliyhu, the RAV of Tzfat. He 
says that since AV 5752, all milk (and dry milk) in Vered-HaGalil
factory is CHALV YISRAEL !!! (b4 that only most of the milk was).

NOTE that that makes Vered Hagalil the only producer of CHALAV-
YISRAEL white-chocolate n Israel.
-- 

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 
/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		Better    the   Golan 
/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then peace without it.
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From: rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish joke
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:05:38 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
NNTP-Posting-Host: vms.huji.ac.il
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92352.094517HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>, 
            Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> writes...

>Did you know that automobile air-conditioning was invented by
>three little old Jewish guys? Sure... I can prove it.
>Their names are on your dashboard: Max, Norm and Hi.

**************************************

Max No Difference, Norm Mativ and Hi Dere, of course.

[courtesy of Jerry Phillips]
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kach? Koach? Kahane Hai?
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:23:34 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

ZU NEVELA VEZU TREFA.
-- 

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/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		Better    the   Golan 
/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then peace without it.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: M.Haussman - get a life
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:46:56 GMT

In article <Dec19.211401.68995@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>*************************************************************************
>** You know M.H. ( I don't feel like typing out your dumb name), you think
>you've got one over me, well you don't.  I'm not going to get into a personal
>argument on the net because that would be against "netiquette" and I wouldn't
>want to break the rules, would I?  Maybe you think that I just want to hear you
>say "You're right", but that's not it.   Not once did you defend your opinion with
>anything other than snappy remarks and a lot of arrogant B.S.    So don't go 
>around using my name on this net or I'll have your account pulled too.  I've said
>what is necessary to open your eyes, but you're blind.  Let God judge you when
>your time comes.  If you think God  would approve of your actions, then keep doing it.
>Until then, I'd drop the phone number off the signature.  It's not a smart thing to show
>the world.

Well, MH knows how to quote included text, and she knows how to
use word-wrap. That gives her a lot more credibility than you in
USENET circles.

ObSlur: And the Rabbi says, "Give it a try! It sure beats ham!"
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Rosenbergs
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:04:51 GMT
Organization: The Devil's Advocate

In <92351.1519592893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Regardless, it has been argued that the execution of the Rosenbergs' was
>illegal as according to the law, one can only be executed for treason in
>times of war (or was it for treason committed during war), the US was not
>at war with the USSR at the time of the trial or the alleged crime. I'm
>not sure about the timing of the Korean War but in any case, the Rosenbergs'
>were not accused of treason on behalf of North Korea.


Although I agree that the execution of the Rosenbergs was a moral
outrage conducted after scandalously inadequate trial, the above
statement is inaccurate.

The Rosenbergs were executed for "Espionage" not "Treason."  Espionage
is defined as giving state secrets to a foreign powers  At the time the
Rosenbergs allegedly gave the atomic secrets to the Russians, this
crime was punishable by death.

Sometime in the 60s I believe, all federal death penalty statutes were
ruled unconstitutional.  I don't beleive the death penalty for
espionage has been reinstituted.

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern)
Subject: Re: Syrian Food, Pistachios (Was Re: HALVAH Recipies Please)
Reply-To: esafern@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:50:38 GMT

In article 3722@news.uiowa.edu, jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
> From article <3462@voodoo.UUCP>, by das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz):
> >>
> > The best halvah I have ever had (and I've eaten a lot of it) was from 
> > a Muslim-owned middle-eastern store called The Souk, right here in Seattle. 
> > They have a huge wheel of halvah, embedded with pistachio nuts, ...
> 
> The presence of pistachio nuts points to Iraq or neighboring regions of
> Iran and Jordan.  The one Iraqui student I've had informed me that
> pistachios are native to that area, and that the Iraquis put pistachios
> in bothe Halvah and Baklava.  She gave me some of the latter, cooked
> by her mother and sent in a care package, and it was very good, although
> the green layer of nuts in the middle was a bit of a surprise.
> 
> 				Doug Jones
> 				jones@cs.uiowa.edu

Baklava SHOULD be made with Pistachios!!  Only Decadent Americans (tm)
make it without.

Most Syrian sweets are made with honey and pistachios.  For authentic
(expensive), and fabulous stuff. try Mansouris Bakery on Kings Highway
in Brooklyn.

Everything they make (that I've tried) was GREAT!


---
							Eric Safern
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From: z_waldorfde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Help! I need a summer job in Berkeley/San Francisco
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:22:41 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I am interested in obtaining a job in the Berkeley / San Francisco area over
the summer.

The catch is ... I want a job that is connected with Judaism.
I would prefer NOT to work in a day camp... they really do not pay enough. 
Does anyone know of an internship that may be open over the summer?

I have sent my resume to many area temples and JCC`s and was wondering
if anyone had any other ideas? (I plan to talk to AIPAC this week)

ANy responses to this post would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely
Z_waldorfde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Debra Waldorf
President of Jewish Student Fellowship
at Stephen F. Austin State University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Peace for Peace
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164520.19962@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

> 
>	That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen.  Now
>I know why Skoll posts the lies he does about Kach.  He obviously does
>not want him to take us seriously.
>

WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING "IGNORANT" AND POSTING
"LIES"??  I DON'T GET IT.
-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: MISSIONARY MADNESS!
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:43:05 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Missionaries: If you go and learn Judaism (if you are Jewish) or Noahidism (if
you are not Jewish) and you learn it 1/10th as well as you know your Xian
rhetoric you would realise the absurdity of your stand and would not bombard
this newsgroup with your messages.
..................So go learn, and when you understand you will be welcome back.
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: To all Jews: STOP the negative Jewish
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:59:32 GMT
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: stove.ai.cs.yale.edu


In article <9212161855.AA06778@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>, tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
|> On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:54:30 GMT, yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Art Yaffe) said:
|>  > In article 724430329@ro, emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
|> >>In <1992Dec15.024433.4412@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
|> >>
|> >>>   Jews like to argue
|> >>
|> >>They do not!
|> 
|>  > Do SO!
|> 
|> 	Sources!  Quote me sources!

Now you look here!  We don't need any sources for this, it's a LEGITIMATE
JEWISH INTERPRETATION!!!  They're both Jewish interpretations---you may have
yours, but mine is *just as legitimate*, dammit!  I'm sick and tired of people
arguing about whether Jews like to argue, asking for sources, and making
ridiculous authoritarian claims!  My position is that they do, and you can't
say otherwise, because it's a legitimate interpretation!  Got it?  

	-Shlomo-

-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:11:37 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)

In article <1992Dec15.045757.5876@cs.tulane.edu>, david@bourbon (David Kaufmann) writes:
>A cute story about Rav Moshe Feinstein, z"l, who of course was no
>misnaged.

Which reminds me of _another_ "what's a chasid" story.  It seems a bunch
of chasidim were discussing the essense of hassidut, and the more they
discussed it, the less hasidic they felt they really were, just doing
the motions.  Then one of them said, "Well, maybe we can't call ourselves
Chasidim, but Baruch Atah Hashem -- Shelo Asoni Misnagid!!", and they all
cheered and had a round of l'chaims.

>I wonder, though, how many observant people would feel complimented by
>the conclusion about what gets double-checked.

Of course, you had to have been there.

>					        (We assume, of course
>that both the heksher and the expiration date get checked at least
>once by all.)

The chasids I know of course don't bother double checking the expiration
date on their milk, considering that they buy 5 or 6 half-gallons at a
time and freeze them.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)