HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:58:51 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

cogen@ll.mit.edu (David Cogen) writes:

> 
> In article <oDqwVB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP>, gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
> |> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
> |> 
> |> > Is it against code to run tv cable to the second floor through the cold-
> |> > intake??
> |> 
> |> Only if it's plenum-grade (i.e., Teflon insulated) cable. Otherwise,
> |> no.
> 
> So, what is it about cold air intake ducts that makes for a harsh environment
> I can't see why any standard cable would not be sufficient. Please explain.

It's not a matter of harsh environment (which plenum cable isn't 
suited for); it's a matter of fire code. Conventional PVC cable 
releases poisonous gasses when it burns; the last place you want
that is in the primary fresh air supply for the structure. Plenum
grade cable is simply fire-resistent to a higher point, and won't
give off anything toxic in any circumstance that might still permit
survivors.

Using PVC cable would allow a small, localized fire to kill an
entire household, if the cables were in the ducts. Either use plenum
grade, or run the cables outside the ducts.

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: PRODIGY New and improved STILL SUCKS, HORRIBLE as before
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:21:59 GMT

In article <zkessin.724555976@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac) writes:
>
>DON'T use Prodigy, well not unless you dont care that other people may
>be snooping on *YOUR* files. I just read on alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
>something about Prodigy uploading stuff from peoples HD's. I think the
>EFF has more info.
>
>just a warning.
>
>Zach
>zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu

I thought this bit about Prodigy (which is awful as an on-line service,
if you ask me) "snooping around one's disk" was sort of an urban myth.
If I recall correctly, there is a file, STAGE.DAT, that Prodigy uses as
a temporary cache-like storage area, and it's this file that gets
written to (and read?), hence the time stamp changes often.  I don't
recall anyone demonstrating that the evil Prodigy empire was out there
looking for major industrial secrets on your hd :)  

America On-Line does something similar, in fact they will update some of
the software you have (or needed data files) automatically when you log
on from time to time.  I don't think it's all the nefarious; but then, I
don't have anything all that interesting on my drive...

jmalloy@hamilton.edu

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White)
Subject: Bill, Bill ,Bill
Keywords: Bill
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:56:18 EST

In article <1992Dec14.093428.20549@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

Slow day today Bill ?

Just kidding,
Brian


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Subject: Re: OK..why shouldnt I get an extended car warranty?
Organization: Gordon Burditt
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:53:02 GMT

>I just bought my new car, a Mercury Tracer LTS.  Today's session with
>the sales people was to talk financing and "other options".  They made
>the extended car warranty sound OH SO GOOD.  After listening to him,
>I couldnt remember anything the net has said about these warranties.
>I need to be reminded...why are they such a bad deal?  On principle, it
>sounds great.  For $660 I can get an extra 2 years of coverage.  And the

It might be a good deal if they gave you 4 years for that price.  The
harder they try to $ell it to you, the more profit margin there must
be in it.  Remember, if the extended warranty costs a lot, maybe the
thing breaks down so much you shouldn't buy it at all.

>brochure they give indicates a lot of things that are covered.  I have

Just as an exercise, ask for a complete list of parts in the car.
Add in "parts" that aren't normally considered parts, like gasoline,
battery acid, air in the tires, brake fluid, paint, grease on various 
parts, etc.  Now add in every service procedure on their shop's price
list.  Now ask what's *NOT* covered.  Try to get them to write the 
contract that way.  Remember, phrases like "abuse" may include driving 
the car at the speed limit, or driving it through puddles, or leaving 
it out in the sun.

>a lot of power options like door locks and windows.  Couldnt they fail
>during years 4 and 5?  What didnt the sales guy tell me?  What was he
>leaving out?

Find out who's backing the warranty.  If it's not the manufacturer of
the car, (e.g. it's the dealer or some company that only does 
warranty service) and maybe even if it is, ask for financial statements 
and a credit report on the warranty company.  Having the company go 
Chapter 11 before the warranty expires (or even starts) might be more 
likely than power door locks failing.

>Yeah, I turned it down.  But they will be "giving me another chance" to
>take it when I pick up the car.  I wonder how many other chances will I
>get afterwards?

					Gordon L. Burditt
					sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From:  "Sergej A Kondratev" <kca@inteh.pccentre.msk.su>
Distribution: world
Subject: ACHTUNG!!! Firm "KARO","NORTON","KORBORUNDUM"
Organization: firm inteh
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 05:56:31 +0300
Reply-To: kca@inteh.pccentre.msk.su


   Achtung der Vertreter der Geschafte "Karo", "Norton",
   "Korborundum".
   Unser Kaufer will ein Vertrag fur die momtlichen  Lieferungen
   der ringgeschlossen Schleifband schlie..en.
   
   Lange  2975 (mm)       3200         2975 (mm)
   Breite 1930 (mm)       1930         1930 (mm)
   Kornigkeit 40          40           60
   Anzah1     50st/monat  100st/monat  50 st/monat

   Die Lieferungen aus Deutschland franko Grenze "Brest".
   Die Bezahlung in DM; oder $, oder Warenaustousch ist
   moglich.
   Verbindung durch electron Post.
   E-mail.

       Sergey Kondratev      === UA3YDU ===      kca@inteh.pccentre.msk.su 
    Firma " INTEH "                              
    23-3,Fokina str,Dyatkovo,242630
    Bryansk region, RUSSIA.
From: dmh40@papaya.eng.amdahl.com (Doreen Singewald)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Auto Windshield Replacement; Orig. Equip. vs Brand X
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:14:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


In article <1992Dec16.174448.28797@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude) writes:
|> 
|> I mean, will the first gnat/snow-flake to hit the shiny new non-Honda
|> windshield cause the glass to shatter into a bizillion pieces?
|> 
|> Opinions anyone?
|> -- 
|> Harlan B. Braude
|> hbb@karin.att.com

I had my Honda windshield replaced by my insurance company's preferred auto-
glass franchise a number of years ago, and never had a problem with it! Go 
for the non-dealer choice... I think you will get better service and work-
manship.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: simoni@strat.Stanford.EDU (Richard Simoni)
Subject: Leather tennis shoe cleaning solution: does it work?
Reply-To: simoni@strat.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:26:11 GMT


I've noticed various cleaning solutions for white leather tennis shoes
available in shoe stores like Foot Locker, Athlete's Foot, etc.  Does this
kind of stuff really work?  I've got a comfy pair of shoes I'd like to
continue wearing, but they look pretty bad.  (Of course, so far this hasn't
stopped me from wearing them :-) )

Or does anyone know any other helpful hints for cleaning white leather
tennis shoes?

Thanks!

Rich Simoni
simoni@strat.stanford.edu



Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.japan,sci.electronics,alt.sex,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs,soc.culture.usa
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Help !! == cable TV on second floor ==
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:51:24 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1992Dec17.164351.29163@cpqhou.compaq.com> thomasr@cpqhou.UUCP (Thomas Rush) writes:
>In article <1gl56rINNe5g@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
>>Is it against code to run tv cable to the second floor through the cold-air
>>intake??
>
>	Yes, and furthermore, in the summer it will be against hot.

What??
From: ehsan@attila.weitek.COM (Ehsan Kalami)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: which camera is good
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:54:18 GMT
Reply-To: ehsan@attila.UUCP ()
Organization: WEITEK, Sunnyvale CA


 Hi, I thought before I go and buy it, find out about experieces of camera
experts on the net. anyways, I am in the market to buy one of those fully
automatic cameras, and I am willing to pay 100 to 200 $$. With so many 
different brands and models around I am lost as where to start.
help me please. I like to have the auto rewind/load and date stamp feature
if I can afford it.

thanks all
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:20940 misc.consumers.house:15955
From: briang@bari.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Gordon)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Help !! == cable TV on second floor ==
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:55:21 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bari

In article <oDqwVB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
<vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
<
<< Is it against code to run tv cable to the second floor through the cold-air
<< intake??
<
<Only if it's plenum-grade (i.e., Teflon insulated) cable. Otherwise,
<no.
<

I think this came out backwards.  The question was "is it against code" and the
answer says it is for teflon but not for others, when, I am sure, it meant to
say just the opposite ...
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: CHP can't use radar?(Was: What radar d
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:50:09 GMT

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
: In article 723401600@uclagsm, ashabana@agsm.ucla.edu (Ahmed Shabana) writes:
: In article 20783@hubcap.clemson.edu, hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
: In article 17552@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
: In article It3@ssesco.com, nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
: 
: [they time you between lines in the road]
: 
: The original radar question was about CA.  In CA, determining the speed
: of an automobile by timing it through a known distance is illegal.
: It's prohibited in the Vehicle Code.  They may do it, but if you
: challenge the ticket in court there is no way you can be conviced for
: it.

Please post some documentation of this fact. I have seen the markings on
the roads. Funny they would be there if they cannot be used. I also doubt
that such a method would be illegal - it is the only accurate way to clock
speed from an aircraft.

Bill
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for Nursery Monitors
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:41:12 GMT

In article <lipjr6INN1a2@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> tomfox@cs.utexas.edu  
(Thomas Y.C. Woo) writes:
> 
> I remember seeing some discussion on nursery monitors earlier.
> I seem to recall that a lot of people are happy with Playskool.
> I did not pay much attention then. I would appreciate it if
> someone could let me know what would be a good one to buy.
> I know that Gerry, Playskool, Fisher Price and Sony all make
> such monitors. What are the pros and cons of each brand?
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas Woo
> 

	We have a Fisher Price and have been happy with it.  My wife  
especially likes the led display which lights up when noise is  
broadcast over the moniter, as she doesn't hear well.

Jim Cavanaugh
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: PRODIGY New and improved STILL SUCKS, HORRIBLE as before
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:50:03 GMT

In <zkessin.724555976@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac) writes:

>DON'T use Prodigy, well not unless you dont care that other people may
>be snooping on *YOUR* files. I just read on alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
>something about Prodigy uploading stuff from peoples HD's. I think the
>EFF has more info.

>just a warning.

>Zach
>zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu

Zach,

I don't mean this to offend you personally, but that rumor is the biggest
bunch of **** that's hit the rumor circuit in some time.

I think the people who first accused Prodigy of that are very embarrassed.
Leading compu-wizards have since disproven the silly allegations.

The perception, in part, was caused by dos-idiots noticing "pieces of their
text files" embedded in a cache file created by Prodigy.  The "pieces of info"
were just deleted text segments that DOS took over when a new file was
created.  Forgive me for my inelegant response.  I'm paying long distance
costs to access this, so I'm not gonna try to go into more detail.

Knowledgeable net people, help me out.  Every reputable source I've read says
the accusations are a crock... Any one else wanna jump in on this one?

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK

P.S. Methinks Imran holds stock in Compu$erve.

Prodigy has:
---stronger and more utilized bulletin boards
--More services offered for a flat fee
--A $2 a MONTH surcharge for 9600 baud, which would get you about 10 minutes
of use on Compu$erve at the same speed.
--Plans to open an internet connection within 3 months.
--A computer bulletin board INCLUDED in flat rate service (HA!)
--More national members than Compu$erve.
--a more diverse user base (that's my subjective opinion, however)

In my opinion, Compu$erve is highly overrated, ridiculously overpriced, and
terribly unfriendly.  So there.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Cover Charge for Restaurant?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:12:21 GMT

ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>What do people think?  I should mention that I rarely go out to niteclubs
>but often to restaurants so from my perspective this was a case of a
>restaurant charging a cover charge--a highly irregular practice.  But maybe
>I'm not looking at it from their perspective.

I wouldn't pay a cover charge for a RESTAURANT either.  However I feel
that IF there IS such a charge, it should apply to everyone.

-- 
heiser@world.std.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: andy@b30.ingr.com (Andrew Brezinski)
Subject: Re: OK..why shouldnt I get an extended car warranty?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:58:58 GMT

In article <BzBxu0.M4@cup.hp.com> staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:
>I just bought my new car, a Mercury Tracer LTS.  Today's session with
>the sales people was to talk financing and "other options".  They made
>the extended car warranty sound OH SO GOOD.  After listening to him,
>I couldnt remember anything the net has said about these warranties.
>I need to be reminded...why are they such a bad deal?  On principle, it
>sounds great.  For $660 I can get an extra 2 years of coverage.  And the
>brochure they give indicates a lot of things that are covered.  I have
>a lot of power options like door locks and windows.  Couldnt they fail
>during years 4 and 5?  What didnt the sales guy tell me?  What was he
>leaving out?
>
>Yeah, I turned it down.  But they will be "giving me another chance" to
>take it when I pick up the car.  I wonder how many other chances will I
>get afterwards?
>
>--Ken
>  staggers@cup.hp.com

Never buy one of these from the dealer.  I once heard that the extended
warranty program represented a 98% profit for Ford.  That meant that they
were only paying out 2% of what they were charging for these things.

You'll get another chance at least every three months during the first
year, I did on my '89 Mustang GT.  After that they stopped because the
base warranty ran out.  With your three year base warranty, you may 
continue to be solicited on this until that warranty is out, but the price
will probably increase, especially if you make a claim on the base
warranty.

If you really want to buy one, though, get it from a reputable insurance
company.  After all, that's basically what you are buying is reliability
insurance.  I was solicited by several companies and eventually settled
on one that cost about half of Ford wanted and covered a great deal
more, but I've never had to make a claim on it.

Andy Brezinski
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,sci.electronics,soc.culture.japan,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:08:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.205739.11193@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>The Japan discussion is rather interesting...
>

It sounds like you haven't read the article, you may want to do this before
commenting on this subject as several of your statements seem to be
misguided.
You can get an FTP copy at monu6.cc.monash.edu.au in pub/nihongo as JAPANYES.
I'd be interested in hearing your comments once you've read it.
-Andre

>
>2) (And this is the one I care more about) There is simply no American
>competition in some products that I really like; for instance, some
>Japanese made products that I could NOT buy "Made in the U.S.A." even if I
>wanted to: My Casio DBX-1000 touchscreen databank watch, my Technics
deleted
>
>I really think that people should buy whatever they want from whomever can
>provide it at the best price, keeping in mind that product quality
>contributes a lot to the overall price of a product.  As long as you have
>skills that are in demand somewhere in the world, you'll be able to get a
>job.  
>
deleted
>them out of business is interesting, but I don't think that the government
>needs to intervene.  The mass media these days will be happy to point out


...again, please read the article, then comment...you will see why what
you have said is incorrect.

Thank you
-Andre
From: PNCSPPC@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: TV signal amplifiers
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:20:51 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

My parents live in a remote area where TV reception is rather poor.  I was
wondering if a TV signal amplifier might improve reception.  Do those
things really work?  If so, I'd be interested in hearing recommendations.
Since my Usenet newsgroup access is variable I'd appreciate replies by
e-mail.  Thanks.
 
 
Phil Calvert
 
<Bitnet: pncsppc@ncsuvax / Internet: pncsppc@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: PRODIGY New and improved STILL SUCKS, HORRIBLE as before
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:51:36 GMT

In article <zkessin.724650697@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac) writes:
>>>
>>>DON'T use Prodigy, well not unless you dont care that other people may
>>>be snooping on *YOUR* files. I just read on alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
>>>something about Prodigy uploading stuff from peoples HD's. I think the
>>>EFF has more info.
>>>
>>>Zach
>>>zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu
>
>From what I know the Prodigy contract that you agree to when Loging on
>does give them this right. However I dont know if they do do this. I
>would not trust them myself, But I am paranoid in some ways. Also for
>consumer survays this would be a VERY effective way of runing survays
>to sell data on custemers. 
>I advise caution.
>I dont use prodigy and for this reason alone would not, (well the
>censoring of online forums and e-mail annoys me too)
>
>--Zach

What a wonderful way for all those vendors out there to locate pirated
copies of those expensive programs, say Lotus, Quattro, Excell, Word, Autocad,
Orcad,.....  you get the idea....

True?..... False?.......

Does anyone really know for sure?.....

-steve
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: 6TH AVE ELECTRONICS CITY
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 00:11:56 GMT

In article <9324.2546.uupcb@factory.com> ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau)  writes:
>-> I saw some ads of 6th Ave Electronics City and Audio/Video while
>-> flipping through a copy of Stereo Review.
>
>                                                                                                                
	There is chain of them in NY, and N.J. area, I use them for
quotes, say the Have Item X advertized for $500, I go the WIZ or any
other company that does price protection gurantee, Show them the
listing and you have the equipment for that price.  I have even
visited them on the account for a 35 MM camera, went down there they
gave me higher price then what I was getting it locally, and the sales
person was also rude -- he said buy it where you get it cheaper (nice
way to maintain a customer base).  
	With reference to the price protection, I had bought camcorder
which they advertized and I took the add. over to The WIZ; 
which is also a chain, but usually you get better service from them 
or that has been my experience and bought it there for the same rate.


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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Legal Tender???
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:57:46 GMT

a sorta-related issue: why are usans so squirrely about
large-denomination banknotes?  if you read other newsgroups then you
know i travel the world; i've only seen this sort of braindeath in the
usa ... i have a hundred-guilder note from the netherlands in my billfold,
and if i go to a dutch newsstand and buy a three-guilder newspaper the
merchant will make change cheerfully, will not fret and fuss over the
denomination, and i'll be on my way in minutes.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.usa