From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: News not forwarding articles!
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:43:04 EST
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <1992Nov12.231504.4412@spcvxb.spc.edu>, terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.094256.44670@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>> I have NEWS.SYS file entryies that are a LOT larger than anything you
>> have here(40+ lines), and they seem to be working OK.  You might try
>> using the SHOW SYS command to see what NEWS thinks the entry actually
>> looks like.  What do you mean by "NOT properly distributed"? Do the
>> article get put in the NEWS.BATCH files? If you delete the magdalen
>> entry, do things start working again? Does moving the magdalen entry
>> around in the NEWS.SYS file make any difference?
> 

I haven't seen this article at my site yet, so I may be replying somewhat out
of context.

What I meant by "not properly distributing" is that news from UUNET is NOT
batched for any downstream nodes AT ALL!!!  It was working fine, then it
stopped.  Yesterday I discovered that the news disk had run out of file
headers, (when it actually ran out, I don't know), but after repairing that,
news is STILL not batching ANYTHING from UUNET to my downstream sites. 
NOTHING, NADA, ZIP!!!  News that originates at my site (such as this message)
IS properly distributed to the appropriate batchs.

If you take a look at the log and news.sys file in the original post, you will
see that [virtually] all of the items SHOULD have been batched to down stream
sites and that NONE of them were.

I include the output of the show sys command (which really should take at least
an /output qualifier) to show that news seems to get all of the news.sys 
figured out.

I'm willing and able to chase this problem myself but I need the sources to ANU
NEWS 6.1 to be able to do so.  I haven't been able to find them, yet.  They
don't seem to be on the US hub.  If someone can give me a pointer, I'll get
them and see what the problem is, otherwise I'm kind of out of luck.

I can't even find newer versionsof NEWS than 6.1A4.  If I could get pointers to
these, I'ld be more than glad to try it just to see if the problem goes away.

I have tried going  back to earlier versions of my news.sys file with no joy.
What other information can I provide to help debug this.  I'm REALLY stumped on
this one.

Here are the news logicals, in case that helps:

  "NEWSMAIL" = "NEWS_MGR_UN"
  "NEWS_ADDRESS" = "dmc.com"
  "NEWS_AUTO_CREGRP" = "YES"
  "NEWS_AUTO_JUNK" = "YES"
  "NEWS_BATCH_NODE" = "HULK"
  "NEWS_BATCH_QUEUE" = "NEWS_BATCH"
  "NEWS_BATCH_QUEUE_BASE_PRIO" = "1"
  "NEWS_BATCH_QUEUE_CONCURRENT_JOBS" = "1"
  "NEWS_BATCH_QUEUE_WSEXTENT" = "10240"
  "NEWS_BATCH_QUEUE_WSQUOTA" = "1024"
  "NEWS_DEVICE" = "UUCP_DISK:[UUCP-20.NEWS.]"
  "NEWS_EXECUTE_CONTROL" = "NO"
  "NEWS_GMT_OFFSET" = "-05:00"
  "NEWS_LOG" = "UUCP_DISK:[UUCP-20.NEWS_LOG]"
  "NEWS_MAIL" = "NEWS_MGR_UN"
  "NEWS_MANAGER" = "USER3:[UUCP-20.NEWS_MGR]"
  "NEWS_MANAGER_DEV" = "USER3:[UUCP-20.NEWS_MGR.]"
  "NEWS_MGR_ID" = "NEWSMANAGER"
  "NEWS_MGR_UN" = "NEWSMGR"
  "NEWS_NEWSSKIM_ARBITRON" = "TRUE"
  "NEWS_NEWSSKIM_FEEDCHECK" = "TRUE"
  "NEWS_NEWSSKIM_INPATHS" = "TRUE"
  "NEWS_NEWSSKIM_SET_ITEMHOLD" = "TRUE"
  "NEWS_NODE" = "thehulk"
  "NEWS_ORGANISATION" = "Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA"
  "NEWS_PATHNAME" = "thehulk"
  "NEWS_ROOT" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[NEWS]"
	= "UUCP_DISK:[UUCP-20.NEWS]"
  "NEWS_TIMEZONE" = "EST"

>   I found a similar strangeness a few weeks ago (6.1B4). A new site that
> I added was receiving traffic fine, but items they posted would arrive
> here and be fed to our other leaf nodes, but not to our main feed. After
> a lot of head-scratching, I found that our main feed had changed to a
> domainless form of their name, while my news.distribution file has them
> listed with a domainized form.
> 
>   I am at a loss to understand how this relates to the problem, and also
> why only 1 of my 4 leaf nodes was affected. Sigh. Just another ANU mystery.
> 
>   BTW, SHOW SYS appears to not be documented in the help.
> 

	VMS News - V6.1 (24-Feb-1992)      [NewsManager Access Enabled]
NEWS - System Configuration (NEWS.SYS)

Node: thehulk (LOCAL NODE)
    Path Filter: dmc.com
    Newsgroups Accepted: alt,bionet,biz,can,comp,control,dmc,general,gnu,jobs,
        junk,k12,local,mail,misc,mtl,ne,news,rec,sci,soc,talk,to,uunet,vmsnet
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)

Node: uunet
    Newsgroups Accepted: alt,bionet,biz,can,comp,control,!dmc,general,gnu,jobs,
        !junk,k12,local,mail,misc,mtl,ne,news,rec,sci,soc,talk,to.uunet,uunet,
        vmsnet
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_uunet]news.batch

Node: desperado-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.desperado
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_desperado]news.batch

Node: ejournal-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.ejournal
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_ejournal]news.batch

Node: faq-maintainers-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.faq-maintainers
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_faq-maintainers]news.batch

Node: gopher-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.gopher
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_gopher]news.batch


Node: info-mm-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.mime
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_mime]news.batch

Node: macapp3tech$-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.apple.macapp3tech$
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_macapp3tech$]news.batch

Node: the-consulting-clearinghouse-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.the-consulting-clearinghouse
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_the-consulting-clearinghouse]news.b

Node: think-c-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.think-c
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mlist_think-c]news.batch

Node: isvnet-gate
    Newsgroups Accepted: dmc.isvnet
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_isvnet]news.txt

Node: assink
    Newsgroups Accepted: alt.sources,!alt.sources.amiga,!alt.sources.d,
        !alt.sources.wanted
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_alt-sources]source.txt

Node: bsssink
    Newsgroups Accepted: biz.sco.sources,!biz.sco.sources.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_biz-sco-sources]source.txt

Node: csmsink
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.sources.misc,!comp.sources.misc.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_comp-sources-misc]source.txt

Node: csrsink
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.sources.reviewed,!comp.sources.reviewed.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_comp-sources-reviewed]source.txt

Node: csusink
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.sources.unix,!comp.sources.unix.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_comp-sources-unix]source.txt

Node: csxsink
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.sources.x,!comp.sources.x.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_comp-sources-x]source.txt

Node: nasink
    Newsgroups Accepted: news.answers,!news.answers.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_news-answers]source.txt

Node: mapsink
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.mail.maps
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[uucp_maps]mapsaver.txt

Node: macsink
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.binaries.mac,!comp.binaries.mac.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_comp-binaries-mac]mac.txt

Node: vmssink
    Newsgroups Accepted: vmsnet.sources,!vmsnet.sources.*
    Distributions Accepted: *
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_command_vmsnet-sources]source.txt

Node: stardot
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.stardot
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mail_stardot]news.batch

Node: batroc
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.batroc
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_batroc]news.batch

Node: centauri
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.centauri
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: m   (Message-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_mail_centauri]news.batch

Node: ads
    Newsgroups Accepted: alt.cd-rom,biz.dec,comp.archive.admin,
        comp.arch.storage,comp.newprod,comp.os.vms,comp.periphs,
        comp.periphs.scsi,control,swnet.sys.dec,to.ads,vmsnet
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_ads]news.batch

Node: northstar
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.northstar
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_northstar]news.batch

Node: mitech
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.mitech
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_mitech]news.batch

Node: kerry
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.kerry
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_kerry]news.batch

Node: bigdrive
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.bigdrive
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_bigdrive]news.batch

Node: blackett
    Newsgroups Accepted: to.blackett
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_blackett]news.batch

Node: 1776
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.bbs.waffle,control,misc.jobs.offered,
        !misc.job.offered.*,ne.jobs,ne.org.bcs,ne.seminars,sci.physics,
        !sci.physics.*,soc.net-people,to.1776
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_1776]news.batch

Node: magdalen
    Path Filter: magdalen.dmc.com
    Newsgroups Accepted: alt.archery,alt.kids.talk,alt.politics.perot,
        bionet.biology.computational,bionet.info-theory,
        bionet.molbio.bio-matrix,bionet.molbio.genome-program,
        bionet.neuroscience,bionet.software,biz.next.newprod,can.jobs,
        comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.compression,comp.databases.oracle,
        comp.databases.sybase,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dsp,comp.graphics,
        comp.graphics.research,comp.graphics.visualization,comp.groupware,
        comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.forth,comp.lang.objective-c,
        comp.lang.perl,comp.lang.postscript,comp.lang.visual,comp.object,
        comp.newprod,comp.parallel,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.mac.apps,
        comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.announce,
        comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,
        comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.super,control,general,
        k12.chat.junior,k12.chat.senior,misc.entrepreneurs,mtl.general,
        ne.general,ne.food,ne.jobs,ne.org.bcs,ne.wanted,rec.aquaria,
        rec.audio.pro,rec.food.cooking,rec.food.drink,rec.food.recipes,
        sci.image.processing,sci.math,sci.math.research,sci.math.stat,
        to.magdalen
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_magdalen]news.batch

Node: thehub
    Path Filter: nynex.dmc.com
    Newsgroups Accepted: news.announce,news.answers,news.software.anu-news,
        to.thehub,vmsnet,!vmsnet.sources
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_thehub]news.batch

Node: admins
    Path Filter: admins.com
    Newsgroups Accepted: comp.databases.informix,comp.databases.oracle,
        comp.lang.c,comp.os.vms,comp.std.c,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.ncr,comp.unix,
        !comp.unix.ultrix,!comp.unix.xenix.sco,control,misc.jobs.offered,
        news.admin,news.announce.newusers,news.answers,news.newusers.questions,
        to.admins
    Distributions Accepted: world,na,usa,ne,ma,local
    Flags: b   (Batch-File)
    Spool Area: news_manager_dev:[post_uucp$cmprs_admins]news.batch


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