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From: ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Rob Althoff)
Subject: 286 Sequencing Software
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:30:44 GMT

Hi,

A friend of mine was wondering the following.  He has a Yamaha PSR-500
and was wanting to know if a 286 could take a MIDI bulk dump with recall
or if, in general, there is any sequencing software that is supportable
with a 286.  Does it all require Windows and, if so, how slowly would it
run on a 286.

The reason that he asks is that he already has a 286 that was given to
him free that hw would like to use since he can't really afford to get a
386.

Thanks much,
Rob
--
Rob Althoff
Neuroscience Program and College of Medicine
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
email to : ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:35:28 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <90927@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep29.190033.6432@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
|> >
|> >   Technically, even copying a single song for someone else is
|> >illegal.
|> >
|> 
|> I like to make tapes off of my CDs, sampler tapes of my favorites or
|> "mood" tapes that I play on certain occasions.  I'm not selling them to
|> anyone, though I do lend them.  On two occasions, I've given them to
|> people.  Would the latter be illegal but the former be legal?  If I just
|> listen to them myself, is that legal?  

   If the copy is in your possession, it is legal. It's the 
distribution of copies that is illegal. Many people make copies
of their music to play in the car or on their Walkmen which is
legal since YOU are still the owner of the legally purchased
recording. Some people even think that making ANY copies at all
is illegal. I don't think that is the spirit of the law though.
The law is designed to stop people from making copies of music
and giving/selling it to others thereby depriving the artist or
music company of the money that they WOULD HAVE gotten had the 
person purchased a copy legally.
   I have not read the actual copyright laws, but this is what I've
gleaned from my conversations with people who have read the laws.

-- Tim
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From: sci40027@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO CHOO LIANG)
Subject: Christian ftp sites?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:18:21 GMT

Hello!
Are there any ftp sites which contain Christian stuff ?
( it could be Christian music / shareware / anything ! )

Thanks !

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  O   O 
    l              Ho Choo Liang 
  \===/
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From: JLow@mdssc-hci.mdc.com (Jerry Low)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W on Regis and Kathy Lee
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:03:32 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.165152.1610@intelhf.hf.intel.com> David Covell,
dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com writes:
>I've asked several of these groups about their reasoning about this and
the
>answer is usually something like "we need the right image so we can
minister
>to people who don't normally listen to christian music". Hmmmm.....
>Granted, I'd look pretty silly in a Stryper-type band since I'm nearly 40
>with short hair, bald spots, glasses, typical computer-nerd look, but
then I
>wouldn't want to play in that sort of band anyway. It does bother me that
>my appearance has prevented me from being in some sort of christian
"classic
>rock" group, though. Looks like I'm "doomed" to remain a studio session
>player.  ;^)
>Guess I probably wouldn't qualify for the worship team at Crystal
Cathedral
>either. I can live with that....  ;^)   ;^)

Hey you sound like me.  Maybe we can start a band called "Pushing 77's"
or "Tea time with Amy"?
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Fighter: BANG THE DRUM review
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:36:01 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

FIGHTER  *BANG THE DRUM*  Let Your Freedom Ring
-----------------------------------------------
c 1992 WONDERLAND (Word)

Recorded at: The Sonic Temple, Elgin, IL
Mixed at: Catamount Recording, Cedar Falls, IA

BILLY HELLER: all guitars, bass on "Faithfully"
MARK PENCE: keyboards, drum programming
SEAN MURPHY: lead vocals and BGVs, drums, acoustic guitars on "Where Can Love
                                                                Be Found"
AMY WOLTER: lead vocals and BGVs
JIM WOLTER: bass


Tracks: 1.  Time Out
        2.  Alone With You
        3.  Bang The Drum
        4.  When Will We Learn
        5.  Faithfully
        6.  Avalanche
        7.  Try
        8.  So Much To Learn
        9.  Without You
       10.  Your Hand
       11.  Where Can Love Be Found


This album is fantastic!!!  Much different than their first album, "The
Waiting".  "Bang The Drum" is very polished and commercial.  It kind of reminds 
me of Petra on the vocals, which are full and clean.  The guitar lines are full
of the Billy H. complexity, and the bass and drum lines are so solid that it
scares me.

Overall the rock highlights are:  Time Out, Bang the Drum, When Will We Learn,
and Avalanche.  The mellow highlights: Faithfully and Where Can Love Be Found.

Actually, the song, "Where Can Love Be Found" is a song that they have been
playing since way before "THE WAITING" tour started.  It's a great song and I'm
glad that they finally recorded it!

Overall I am overjoyed by the power of some of the messages on this album. 
They are straight to the point.  Again, great work!


-- 
Evan Marshall                            ************************************
University of Northern Iowa              *           BANG THE DRUM          *
(319) 266-0931                           *       Let Your Freedom Ring      *
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu             ************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: smyers@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Garfield)
Subject: Alternitive Music Review
Organization: Radford University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:15:42 GMT


 Once again, with permision from the author, I present another review
by Joe McLaughlin that was published in COLLEGE DAZE, the October issue.

12th Tribe - Livin' in Babylon

   I have to start out by saying I'm not really a rap connoisseur, but
I do like this album.  Jimmy Brown (from Deliverence) comes on board to
add some crunching guitar rifts, sort of giving it a heavy bass, Body
Count feel.  Definately a good mix, which should be expected from house,
master mixer Scott Blackwell.  The voices, however, don't really click
with me for some reason. Nonetheless, there are definitely some points
worth mentioning.  The Scripture reading on Dreams is pretty cool.
Master Master is neat although they should have made a whole spread
song out of it.  The poetry reading on Hush is also a nice touch. The
chours for 1 Day at a Time sounds like a 70's T.V. musak theme song.
Run Devil Run has a kicking grove with a smooth blend of horns, cheesy
organ and crunch guitar.  Lyrically straight forward, the album's one
really strong song,  Madness, is about child molestation. Overall, a
good recording.     3.95 out of 5

Lust Control - We Are Not Ashamed

   Awsome! A classic!  Every song should be played in continuous cycles
'til Jesus comes back!  Seriously, the words to this album are more 
straight forward than any album in existance.  The only reason it's
not played over and over in the store is from fear that one of the more 
honest songs, like The Big 'M', Virginity Disease, or You Make Me Puke, 
might be playing while some little old lady wanders in.
  Musically, it's a break from metal, even though some songs, like P.P.
and If You Fail, lean more to the metalcore.  The music is light-hearted
punk.  Most songs are funny while being serious, like Get Married, You
Make Me Puke, The Big 'M', and Mad at the Girls.  Some lean on the more
serious side, like Deliverence, If You Fail, and Pray for the City. 
Speaking In Tongues throws a doctrinal whack at people on both sides of
the theological subject.
  The Bible study included is really interesting.  It covers subject such
as failure, masturbation, virginity, and deliverence.
  Excellent album, musically, lyrically, and spiritually.
	      5 out of 5

  B/W - The B/W Project

   This album should never have been made.
    .000029 out of 5  and still I'm being generous.

********
 Any comments or questions in regards to the reviews will be forwarded to
the author.
   -Stanley Myers
    smyers@rucs2.runet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: swansond@nextnet.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson)
Subject: Re: Metallica
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:01:11 GMT

In article <69869@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>>>I like Metallica. Now, I'm a registered Republican, besides the fact 
>that I'm a Christian, so I don't agree with their views politically or morally.
>But I still like their music.
>
>
>Just curious...  What does being a Republican have to do with disliking
>Metallica's moral standpoint?

Nothing -- why do you ask? Yours wasn't by any chance a knee-jerk post,
was it? If you reread his/her (what happened to the name?) post slowly
this time, you might see that it goes something like this: I'm a Christian,
and don't agree with Metallica's views morally, and I'm also a Republican,
so I don't agree with their views politically either.                     

I have a question for the misunderstood person (whoever you are!). Metallica's
most recent album certainly sets off my moral offensometer in some places, so
I can definitely understand your disagreement with their views on that basis,
but I'm wondering what are some of the views they express that you disagree
with on political grounds?

	In Him,

		Den

-- 
..................................................................
: Dennis M. Swanson : "No matter how long you live, remember that :
: swansond@csus.edu : you will be dead much longer."  Eccl. 11:8b :
:...................:.............................................:
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Re: All Saved Freak Band
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.191914.6806@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> bmoore@alvin.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>Has anyone in rec.music.christian land ever heard of this group?
>
>I had a tape of theirs called "For Christians, Elves and Lovers"
>or something close to that...and I lost it. :-(. It is a great
>album. I would be very much interested in getting another
>copy or original, or any other albums by this band. I think they
>had at least one other album. Please e-mail or post if you can
>help. Thanks!
>
>-Bryan

Contrary to some of the thoughts on this newsgroup, I'm pretty sure
there was at LEAST one more All-Saved Freak Band album.  I've never
heard this stuff but these albums seem to be in pretty high demand in
collectors' circles.  When I was through Chicago and visited True Tunes,
in their collectible album bin they had at least one copy of "FCE&L."
Call 1-800-669-TRUE and ask for Terry Martin.  If he's not in ask
whoever answers about any copies of A-SFB LPs they may have left.
The one I saw was in VG condition (definitely worn but okay) and priced
somewhere in the $20s I think...

Michael.


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From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Subject: Re: Michael W on Regis and Kathy Lee
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.133018.25131@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|> [ stuff deleted]
|> 
|> In contrast, Amy's and Michael's latest albums show their beautiful
|> mugs and three-day-growth stubbles (time to shave, Amy), right up 
|> close and personal.  Hey, I have no problems with Amy or Michael,
|> and it's surely not a sin to be beautiful.  But I *do* have a problem
|> with the way Christian labels pander to the world by emphasizing
|> image.  And I *do* see a change in the way Christian labels operate
|> today verses how they operated, say, fifteen years ago.  

Image sells.  Bottom line.  If you show the scars and the weight,
your not likely to sell as much as if you hid all that stuff.  Its
the unfortunate reality of marketing.  For Christian labels to be
successful, they have to sell records.  To sell records, they have to
employ proven marketing techniques.  (Anything risky = loss of sales.)
In the end CCM is just business.  

-- 
 Bill Wilhelmi    
 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
 bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Metallica
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:06:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>>>I like Metallica. Now, I'm a registered Republican, besides the fact
>>that I'm a Christian, so I don't agree with their views politically or
>morally.

>>Just curious...  What does being a Republican have to do with disliking
>>Metallica's moral standpoint?

>>This does NOT imply that Repub. = DisagreePolitically
>or that Xian = DiagreeMorally.

On strictly logical grounds, no it does not. However, in giving the original
poster the benefit of the doubt, I would infer this. Unless I was aware of
him/her having a past history of confusing his/her sense of morality with
his/her sense of politics,


Since when do people separate their sense of morality from their political
views?  "I'll never vote for Candidate X, because he supports killing 
babies..."  My assumption is that the original poster did combine the two.

>>I was merely trying to offer a much more reasonable
interpretation.

The most reasonable "interpretation" is usually to interpret a statement
as the person SAID IT, not as you think they meant it.

>>I am not completely sure about this either. The problem I have with their
latest album is similar to my gripe with the news media -- it's not that I
don't agree that George Bush has his faults, it's just that I am tired of
hearing only one side all the time. In that sense I am offended.

No one has yet answered my original question: What does the new album do
to offend you morally?  What is this about "hearing one side all the time?
Can you please be more specific?

I hope it's not more of this "liberal media" crap...

>>I sure hope yours and Brian's reading comprehension skills and thought
processes aren't indicative of the rest of the folks at Georgia Tech.

Thought for the Day: "A soft answer turneth away wrath."

bk

-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Performance package
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:17:33 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER


I am sorry if some folk on this list are weary with this topic.  I
would like to set the record straight in clear language.  I remember
that I was concerned, when I first started to realize I would be doing
worship leader, music performer kinds of stuff that I did it straight
up, leagally and with minimum hassle.

I read Jason's "so there, you lazy person post" and agree that he has
a handle on a piece of the problem, but I think he has presented only
a piece and that his information is therefore misleading

If you are just wanting to play for yourself, buy the songbook, tune
yor guitar or power on your keyboard and have at it.  By buying the
songbook you have the right to have the printed copy of the song and
the right to play that arrangement or a variation of that arrangement
that you create per fair use.

If you want to involve others in the performance of that song, (you
are playing in a group or a worship service) it seems that your songbook
and the arrangement needs to be copied in some way.... the transparency
or copies for the group.  Anyway you slice it right here is where you
end up in trouble w/o a copyright license agreement.

I do agree with Jason's post in that when you (and every performing
member) have/are covered by a legal authorized copyright compliant
musical arrangement you have certain rights for performance including
not for profit.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Questions for further thought:
Why do churches bother signing up and paying CCLI if they are exempt?

Why do artists bother copyrighting their material?

Why do CCM artists get explicit permission to perform each other's work?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let me try to give you a taste of the other side of this discussion.
I currently hold  ten copyrights of my own original work.  In the next
few months I will be submitting two more.  Creating the work takes time.
Going through the copyright process takes time and money.  If you wish
to use my original material, great, but I would like to be compensated in
some way.  Please delay your flames about how greedy I am for a second.
It takes work to create and the workman is worthy of his wages.

If you work a 40 hour, 5 day workweek you expect to get paid right?
And you expect to get paid whether you slap hamburgers, write code,
repair transmissions, or harvest wheat.  The workman is worth of his
wages.  Why oh why is this different?  


Stephen Northcutt
From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Red Dogs?
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:29:11 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct1.123435.11150@waikato.ac.nz>, jcc@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> Hi netters...
> a question for you: 
> I was at our local Christian music store, and I saw a new album. I think the
> name of the band was Red Dogs - it was made up of people like Terry Taylor,
> Derri Dougherty (sp?) etc.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has listened to the album and could possibly tell me
> what you thought of it, what sort of music it is similar to etc.

I think that you are referring to the Lost Dogs. It is comprised of Terry
Taylor, Gene Eugene, Derri Daugherty, and Mike Roe. Surprisingly, it ISN'T
the life-changing alternative mega-album you might think it would be. It is,
in fact, a country album. Even more surprising, it was intended to be a 
country album. Granted, it is probably the best country album I've heard in
a while (I'm from Tennessee, I'm supposed to know these things). Particularly,
"Breathe Deep [The Breath of God]" is an awesome song that may still be on
the Christian ROCK CHARTS. I'm sure I would be in love with it had I been
able to see it performed at the Cornerstone festival this past summer :(

							Richard Vance

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: MWS and Image
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:06:34 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep26.143231.23000@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>
>  It seems that people say things like "don't be conformed to this world"
>  to justify positions such as "don't have long hair." [Noel, I'm not
>  sure if you're saying this]

There are a couple of issues here.  No, I'm not necessarily saying that.  As
one who has had quite long hair in the past (and who is currently growing it
out again), this is something which is hard to deal with.  For instance, if
you look at the Timothy passage dealing with the requirements of a deacon,
"respectability" is one of them.  Now, I'm not going to go into a long-
winded word study of that here, but if you really look at it closely, the
word does carry the connotation of physical and appearance-based 
respectability.  So we need to be careful that we are respectable.  I think
we can have long hair and still be respectable.  However, how do we deal with
the Scripture that says (paraphrase) "long hair is a man's shame."  I don't
know. 

>  antics) is for hte most part silly. is there a way out?

I think a lot has to do with motivation.  Are you wearing long hair just so
you can be rebellious, recognized, or to be "different"?  



--
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: New Amy album?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:29:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Oct5.134909.17868@cs.cornell.edu> lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.162602.9262@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
>>This morning the dj announced (twice, before and after the song) "a brand
>>new song" by Amy Grant.  It was called "On and On".  I've never heard it


  Linda is correct, I think -- sounds like one of her 16-18 albums.

  1) Amy Grant
  2) Father's Eyes
  3) Never Alone 

  My guess is that this song was on "never alone," which is my favorite of
  the teenage years. I'll even be reckless and say it was on side "B"
  .. But it's just a guess. My albums are at home. 
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john r la plante                    graduate student, Ohio State University
jrl+@osu.edu                        political analysis done while you wait
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