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From: john@aquarius.unm.edu (John Prentice)
Subject: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 06:10:19 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astro, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I am arranging a trip to Argentina.  One way of getting to where I am
going is to fly to Santiago, Chile.  I change planes there and go on
to Argentina.  I would not have to leave the airport to make my plane
change.  Anyone know if I have to clear customs in Chile, or do I just
go on to Argentina and clear customs there?  I appreciate any thoughts.

John
-- 
Dr. John K. Prentice                      
Quetzal Computational Associates    
3200 Carlisle N.E., Albuquerque, NM   87110-1664  USA
Phone: 505-889-4543  E-mail: quetzal@pinet.aip.org -or- jkprent@cs.sandia.gov
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Should I reschedule?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:18:50 GMT


I was all set to go to Hawaii (specifically the Big Island) over Thanksgiving.
Last week I broke my ankle.

Should I go anyway, lie on the beach and try to take bus tours?  Or
should I attempt to reschedule so that I can actually walk around petroglyph
fields and go swimming (well, at least in the hotel pool), neither of which
I can do with a cast on my leg?  

Surely someone out there has had travel plans disrupted by an injury and
has some insight?  I'm leaning towards rescheduling since I understand the
airlines just hit you for $25 nowadays but is there anything else I should
consider?

Miriam Nadel
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Kauai after the hurricane?
Keywords: Hawaii Kauai
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:33:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Nov10.213324.21224
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|> is it reasonable to go to Kauai in the first half
|> of january?

At least one of the major hotels is now fully operational.
Others plan to open by Christmas.  You should have a nice time.
Make sure you reserve your accomodations in advance, though.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: braker@dutiws.tudelft.nl (J.G.Braker.TA-tel-3689)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: World Travel
Summary: travellers group ... good idea
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:32:31 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands

In article <1992Oct30.200454.2169@knight.vf.ge.com>, connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Connolly Sean) writes:
> 
> P.S.  BTW, has anyone ever suggested starting a travellers group?  Not a 
> tourist group like this one mostly is ("My husband and I want to go someplace 
> exotic for our Honeymoon", "What's Munich like?", "What's a great hotel in 
> Switzerland?"), but, instead, a group dedicated to the serious, but poor,
> traveller who wants to see the real world "through the back door", not the 
> glitzy, touristy one.  Just a stray thought, but I would appreciate feedback.
> Hope I don't start a "not another group!" thread with this one, but I at least
> think it is a good idea.

I think this is not a bad idea. I myself am not a traveller in the sense that I
can afford to spend months abroad, but when I can get away for some weeks I like
to stay away from the big-spending aircon tourist groups. My wife and I like
doing some exploring, using local transport, going to the lesser known 
places preferably with few tourists. However, we don't mind taking some local 
flight or occasionally some lodge/hotel that is not really rock-bottom.
We call ourselves medium-budget travellers. We often feel the information in 
travel guides is too restricted and want to see some places which are really off
the tourist routes. I think for this group of people as well as the `real' 
travellers such a new newsgroup is very interesting. 

Hans
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.canada
From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: Toronto-area trip
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:55:31 GMT
Keywords: Toronto

>In article <Bx7vBv.Mu2@Novell.COM>, dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
>    
>    A colleague and I will be attending a conference held at the University of  
>    Waterloo Nov 18-21 and will be staying in nearby Kitchener. Although we  

Hi, I tried to e-mail you too, but it didn't go through.

Toronto is a good hour-and-a-half drive from Waterloo (my home town),
so if you go, you'll want to make a day of it.  There's also hourly
bus service from Kitchener, but the train service isn't so great anymore.

In Waterloo, don't miss the Seagram Museum (of wine and spirits).
It's always entertaining.

In Toronto, the Royal Winter Agricultural Fair and Horse Show has just
opened, and closes on the 21st.  It's a truly wonderful fair,
absolutely enormous.  The second week of the fair is horses (of
course), dairy cattle, sheep, and poultry.  The best horse shows
require separate tickets, but lots of stuff is included in the $9.50
admission price - and the cinnamon rolls are truly heavenly!

Hope you enjoy your visit!

Stephanie Fysh
Univ. of Toronto
(sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca
From: U17375@uicvm.uic.edu (Ed Zawacki [Postmaster])
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japan to China - Traveller cheque problem
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:28:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92314.122824U17375
 <1992Nov6.195713.12109@Princeton.EDU> <1992Nov6.200417.13872@Princeton.EDU>
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

>I left this crucial word out of my previous post;  I also saw another
>poster say that some small shops won't accept FEC.  I have been to China
>four times, in big places and small, and have never had this happen.
>Must be some extraordinarily law-abiding person this poster ran into, the
>equivalent of the American who's afraid to rip the tag from the mattress.

Actually this happened many times. Perhaps it was the location (Harbin),
perhaps not. My cousin-in-law who was showing me around was pretty much
surprised when many of the smaller vendors *did* accept FEC (she lives in
and is a native of Harbin). There was one time where I had a vendor in Beijing
refuse to accept FEC as well. I think the prevailing attitude these days is
that a large amount of FEC is useful, while a small amount is worthless. I
was told this by a shopkeeper in Harbin....she wanted RMB...she said "What use
do I have for $40 FEC??"

As for taxis, in all the time I was there I *never* paid for a taxi in FEC
(and I took many taxis...though the buses were more fun)....

Barbara Vaughan
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Avis rental car
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:04:45 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <1992Oct15.202755.12866@leland.Stanford.EDU> pkuo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paohua Kuo) writes:
> I almost had to pay more than the quoted rate with Avis.  I wonder if I
> was just unlucky - or if others had the same experience?

Avis is a very sleezy company--do not rent from them at any price.  The
problems that you get from Avis are simply not worth it.  In the future,
I would rather walk than deal with Avis.

I just got bit the other day by Avis' latest scam, "unilimted miles/free
miles" program.  I was planning to drive a rental car 600 miles, so I called
around to find a car with "unlimited milage".  Avis quoted me a rate of $25
per day with "free and unlimited miles".  I took this to mean that I would
not be charged for milage.  Avis took this to mean that I could drive the
car as far as I wanted (the unlimited part), but that only the first 75
miles each day would be at no charge--the rest of the unlimited miles
were charged at 10 cents a mile.  They did not explain this even though
I asked both the reservation clerk and the desk clerk, nor was it mentioned
on the contract.  All the contract had was a box for "unlimited miles", and
it was filled in with a "yes".  After I received the bill, I called Avis to
point out what I thought was their billing error.  It turned out that the
Avis location where I rented the car (Midland Texas) was an independent
dealer and not under the control of Avis.  Avis refused to do anything.
After talking with several layers of supervisors, they finally gave me
some coupons for discounts on future rentals.

The part that really irks me is National was right next door, but I
passed them up because they were $1 per day more expensive.  As it turns
out, National would have been far cheaper because of the free milage,
not to mention no hassles.

The pervious time that I tried to rent an Avis vehicle, I reserved and
prepaid for a van to take a group to Chicago.  I even called Avis to
make sure that they had the reservation a day before the trip.  When
I tried to pick up the van, they said that they were all out of vehicles.
When I pointed out that I had a prepaid reservation, they said sorry, and
refunded my money.  Since I had a group of people waiting, I wanted a
vehicle.  When I asked them what good a reservation was, they said that
the only thing an Avis reservation does is lock in a price--it does not
promise that you will have a vehicle to rent.

Again, had I known that they were going to do this to me, I could have
reserved at another rental place and avoided the problems.

-john-

-- 
==============================================================================
John A. Weeks III		(612) 942-6969		    john@newave.mn.org
Newave Communications, Ltd.			    ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ramsey@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (curtis ramsey)
Subject: Old Soviet Central Asia to China
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:37:32 GMT

I know this is probably a long shot, but does anyone have any info on
traveling through the old Soviet central Asian republics? Specifically
how much it will cost me through Intourist and if it is possible (as
reported in the last couple of issues of Great Expeditions Magazine)
to cross from Alma Ata to Urumqi in Xinjiang Province in China?

Thanks
From: DOLHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Don Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Easter Island info wanted
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:18:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.92312.131821DOLHC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I am interested in visiting Easter Island but have found the air
fares prohibitive (about $2000 r/t from NYC). Are there any ways
to travel there more cheaply? Has anyone viisted Easter Island?
Can you make suggestions about where to stay, what to do, etc.?
Please respond directly
   Don
   DOLHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 09:12:18 CET
From: <SHEERD@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Australia: Car advice needed

A friend is planning to visit Australia for two month. He would like to know
waether it is cheaper to buy or to rent a car. What about registering the car
and how is the chance of getting rid of it after the trip.
If anyone out there knows anything about buying and selling cars or even
motorbikes in down under, I would appriciate your mail.
Stefan
ykes
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 14:45:51 -0500 
From: Gus Bechara Chkaiban <gc2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DUBAI, UAE

Does anyone know where I can find the cheapest airfare rates (2 way)
from NY to Dubai?

Please reply to gc2j@andrew.cmu.edu

Thanks in advance..
From: schuyler@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Carlton Schuyler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cheap places to stay in Miami or new Orleans
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:32:34 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


I'm driving to New Orleans or Miami to pick up my girlfriend (she's
flying in from overseas), and as a poor grad student am looking for
some presentable, but inexpensive accommodations for a night or two.
Anyone who has hearsay or otherwsie information about such a place,
I'd love to hear about it!  Please e-mail, otherwise I will most
likely miss the post (so much information, so little time!) -- Thanks.


-Carl [schuyler@cis.ohio-state.edu]     The Ohio State University
 2405 East Avenue                       Department of Computer Science
 Columbus, Ohio 43202  USA              Bolz Hall, Room 228
 Tel: (614) 268-0080                    Columbus, Ohio 43210  USA
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ag639@yfn.ysu.edu (Les Casey)
Subject: Rio de Janerio - Accomodation wanted
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:38:04 GMT


I am interested in travelling to Rio de Janerio for one
month from approximately Jan 15 - Feb 15 1993.
 
Instead of hotels, it was suggested that I ask if someone
can allow me to use their apartment for one month in exchange
for American dollars.
 
- I have been there three times, always in Ipanema and know
   the city reasonably well
- I will leave town before Carnival
- I expect clean accomdation but nothing fancy
- I would prefer near Ipanema, but Botafogo and Flamengo are OK
- Sole use of the apartment is expected, not just one room
- I will pay several hundred American dollars cash
     20% in advance, the remainder on a weekly basis
 
If somebody could provide me several internet email
addresses of people living in Rio, it would be helpful.
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: cheap (but safe) lodging in Chicago
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:11:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences

In article <1992Nov3.184002.12171@ohsu.edu> bellutta@cascade.ohsu.EDU (Paolo
Bellutta) writes:
>In my Chrismas flight to Europe I'll fly through Chicago and I'd like to 
>stop for a couple of days.  Anybody have suggestions for a cheap, but
>"safe" place to stay in downtown Chicago?  Moreover, I read in the past
>suggestions on how to take advantage of the train that takes from the 
>airport to downtown, but unfortunately I didn't save the message.  If
>anybody has a copy, or knows the details on how to get from the airport
>to downtown...   Last question.  Are there any lockers where I could leave
>part of my luggage for a couple of days at the Airport (international
flights)?
>
a nice cheap place in downtown is the LENOX HOUSE on Rush and Ontario.  All the
rooms are mini-suites and have little kitchens in them so you can soave some
money and cook for yourself (even though Chicago has some damn good
restaurants).  The rooms are usually around 70 or so per night.

There's only one subway train that goes into O'Hare so that should be pretty
easy to find (its underground, signs everywhere to find it).  Get off at (I
think) Dearborn and Washington and take a taxi to wherever.

hope this helps
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: French train fares soar
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:34:47 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <haertig.721315918@gmd.de> haertig@gmd.de (Hermann Haertig) writes:
 > In <1460300129@igc.apc.org> Eric Fenster <efenster@igc.apc.org> writes:
 > 
 > > Finally, the Inter Rail card which allowed European youth to travel at a
 > >fixed price (like the Eurail Pass) is being abandoned, largely on the
 > >argument that it's "old" and it's time for a change.
 > 
 > No! It is still available (currently for DM 510.-).
 > 
Is it valid currently in France?  Either now or on the start of the next
summer timetable the Inter Rail will no longer be valid in France, Italy,
Spain and Portugal.  The reason is simple.  Most people buying those passes
come from the North European countries and most travel was in the South
European countries.  So the benefit was for the Northern Europeans.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY)
Subject: Re: Japan to China - Traveller cheque problem
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: rec
Date:  9 NOV 92 13:00:21    


>>I left this crucial word out of my previous post;  I also saw another
>>poster say that some small shops won't accept FEC.  I have been to China
>>four times, in big places and small, and have never had this happen.
>>Must be some extraordinarily law-abiding person this poster ran into, the
>>equivalent of the American who's afraid to rip the tag from the mattress.
> 

I actually had a street vendor in Beijing refuse a 1 Yuan FEC- she passed
it to the guy standing next to her, they discussed it, and claerly didn't
trust it as real money. They were much happier when I offered an RMB yuan.
From: Timothy.P.Stammers@dartmouth.edu (Timothy P. Stammers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cruise/Bahamas/Disney/MGM ???
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:41:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

This coming March, my wife and I will be going on a trip to Florida for
a 4 day stay in Disney/Epcot and then for a 4 day cruise around the
Bahamas.  I have never been to either of these places before, let alone
a cruise ship.  Can anyone give me some information on what to watch
out for, must do's and any type of information that would be helpful? 
I would really appreciate any help I could get.  Please e-mail the
information to me, if you can.  Thank you very much in advance.     -
Tim

Tim.Stammers@Dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nguyen@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: World Travel adventures...
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:02:37 GMT

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From: braker@dutiws.tudelft.nl (J.G.Braker.TA-tel-3689)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: World Travel
Summary: travellers group ... good idea
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:32:31 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands

In article <1992Oct30.200454.2169@knight.vf.ge.com>, connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Connolly Sean) writes:
>> 
>> P.S.  BTW, has anyone ever suggested starting a travellers group? 

>I think this is not a bad idea. I myself am not a traveller in the sense that I
>can afford to spend months abroad, but when I can get away for some weeks I like
>to stay away from the big-spending aircon tourist groups. ............
>.......I think for this group of people as well as the `real' 
>travellers such a new newsgroup is very interesting. 

>Hans

That's an excellent suggestion.  I hold a fulltime job but do get away from time
to time.  I just think a traveler is borned with the itch in his/her blood.  Got
to get someplace, got to see something, always looking for things that are
different and I got that itch all the time.  Hope there'll be enough responses
out there to start up something like that.

Minh

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Re: Do you clear customs when changing planes?
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 00:58:41 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov8.01823.5523@ms.uky.edu> serich00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson) writes:
>
>You most likely won't have to do anything for customs.  Most airports I've  
>been thru outside the US are setup so anyone could make connecting flights  
>in a special "international" terminal .. and you would only go thru  
>customs if leaving the airport.
>
>Steve

So if I go through Madrid airport, picking up a flight to another city in
Spain, do I have to go through customes in Madrid or wait until I reach my
final destination?  I am confused about this.

Thanks.

Alice
From: toddnguy@megatest.UUCP (toddnguy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Trip to Los Angeles (LA)
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: megatest.25317
Organization: Megatest Corporation, San Jose, Ca


 Hello everyone,

 I going down LA next weekend for 3 days for our six aniversary.  I
 would like to know any romantic place in LA that we can go with the
 fare price.     
               
   
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: 35002_3175@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Columbia travel: info wanted
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:55:33 GMT

I am planning on travel in Columbia in January and was wondering
what the state of travel is in that country now that there has been
imposed a state of emergency??I'm planning on doing bird research
in the Santa Marta mountains and some of the rural areas around 
Bogota...si possible...Mucho gracias Katie Thomas
From: endecotp@cs.man.ac.uk (PB Endecott (PhD SFurber))
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: French train fares soar
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:28:12 GMT

haertig@gmd.de (Hermann Haertig) writes:

>In <1460300129@igc.apc.org> Eric Fenster <efenster@igc.apc.org> writes:

>> Finally, the Inter Rail card which allowed European youth to travel at a
>>fixed price (like the Eurail Pass) is being abandoned, largely on the
>>argument that it's "old" and it's time for a change.

>No! It is still available (currently for DM 510.-).

>--hermann haertig

Yes!  It is true, France is pulling out of InterRail, as are (I think)
Italy and Spain.  Most of the other countries remain for the time being,
but with only the British Isles, Germany, Benelux, Scandinavia, and Eastern
Europe, and none of the atractive "sunny" contries, there is a good chance
that the whole scheme will colapse.

--Phil.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: hwc@sei.cmu.edu (Howard Chien)
Subject: Test
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:36:21 GMT



This is just a test to see the capabilities of our new news handler.  This is
only part of our new X-windows emulator; MacX.



Thanks.
From: connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Connolly Sean)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: VAT refunds ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:30:39 GMT
Reply-To: connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com
Organization: GE M&DSO - VF

In article <1992Nov4.150121.3888@westford.ccur.com>, black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black) writes:
[about VAT]
> 
> It only applies to goods being taken out of the country.  So, not only does it
> not apply on hotel and auto rentals, but it doesn't apply to items bought and
> left behind in the UK.

	In regards to this, make sure you get you VAT back *before* leaving
the country.  They (at least in Ireland) have a mail slot at the airport you 
can slip the form into, but if it's no stamped by customs, you'll get a letter,
several months later, asking you to prove the goods did indeed leave the 
country.  Just means you have to go to your local police department, show the 
goods, the receipts, and have them stamp the form.  Not a big deal, but still 
a pain.  Especially if the items were gifts to people in different parts of 
the country :-(  

-- 
Sean Connolly
connolly@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: u9227164@cc.uow.edu.au (Neil P Dillon)
Subject: thanks about customs
Summary: thanks about customs
Keywords: customs
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:46:58 GMT

I just want to thank everyone who wrote to me explaining about 
the customs in L.A. or Chicago dilemma.  You have been a great help.
Also, I accidentally deleted the mail from the woman from Canberra
who was from Chicago originally.  If you read this please E-mail
me again as I was also born in Chicago and raised in Rockford!!!

Again thank you very much!!!!

Neil P. Dillon
u9227164@cc.uow.edu.au

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