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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:21:24 -0400
From:         uel111r2a%tferi4@UNI-LJ.AC.MAIL.YU
Subject:      A4000 and A1200 (!!)

Finally!
The Amiga 4000 is real. Not that I don't trust the guys on GEnie, but
seeing is believing :-). The german Amiga Magazine has published photos
of A4000. The tech data that has been posted here recently is ok.
(If I had a video digitizer I'd upload some pictures, but I don't have one :-(
)

And another surprise: Commodore plans to build an A1200 till the end of the
year. Tech info: 68020 at 14Mhz, Kick/WB 3.0 (like A4000), AA chipset, builtin
AT bus harddrive, 2Mb RAM. Price: below 2000 DEM (about $1300).

Let's hope that it will be available soon!

Greetings,
	Blaz
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:15:05 -0400
From:         CAMACHO@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      Amiga A4000

Hello all, today I didn't go to my dealer. While I wasn't at my dealer,
he didn't show me a press release (to dealers) about prices for the
A600, and A4000. He also didn't say that street price might be around
$2999, although it could change...

Well, it looks like this next Amiga World show , and Comdex should
be a big step forward for us all. (Yeah!)

Carlos Camacho
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:27:39 -0500
From:         bryan@JUDY.INDSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Prolog Compiler

Does anyone out there know where I can find a good Prolog Compiler for the
Amiga (preferably PD).

Thanks in advance,

Bryan C. Everly
bryan@judy.indstate.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:48:55 EDT
From:         Cocteau <IBY141@URIACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Amiga A4000
              8 Sep 1992 18:15:05 -0400 from <CAMACHO@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU>

  Does anyone here know if a Blue Wave mail reader exists for the Amiga
OTHER than Q-Blue?  I have Q-Blue 0.7unregistered,  and I'm not all that
impressed.  Unless they've done some MAJOR changes and have a much more
improved version above 0.7.

Andrew Cerreault
Iby141@URIACC.URI.EDU
Iby141@URIACC
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:29:27 CST
From:         "Alejandro J. Kurczyn S." <AKURCZYN@ITESMVF1.BITNET>
Subject:      Software for the A4000?

Does anyone know if all our fantastic graphic programs are/will being
upgraded to support the new graphic modes? I am wondering about:

DeLuxe Paint
Imagine
ADPro

Did anyone saw an 256K color animation? how fast does it move?

-Alejandro K.
From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga)
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Quoted from <...unknown> by yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov:
> In article <overlord.0agr@megalith.miami.fl.us>, (Carlos Amezaga) writes:
> 
> At least you received a response.  I e-mailed him a message telling him the 
> same thing, and received no reply.  Maybe it's delayed.  :)   
> 
> > % \\//Amiga %  GEnie: C.Amezaga                      %        --D.Atkins-- %
> 
> -- 
> *****************************************************************************
> *  Joe Yurick         California U.S.A.       E-Mail : yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov *
> *** My thoughts & views are rarely my own, much less that of my employer! ***
> *****************************************************************************
>                I think, therefore I am...an Amiga owner!              

	The postmaster@UUNET forwarded my message to the person who
maintains this E-Mail Groups Mailing list.  Anytime time now we shall be
free of this. :-)

Carlos
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	I live in Miami, FL which is close to the Cutler Ridge and
Homestead areas.  If you wish to contact someone you have been unable to
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re:      Re: A4000 and A1200 (!!)
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:13:38 GMT

In article <9209131916.AA108926@eagle.TC.CORNELL.EDU> Calvin Chu <ngk@EAGLE.TC.CORNELL.EDU> writes:
>
>So why the descrepency between the versions 2.1 and 3.0? If Commodore issues
>3.0 which is essentially the same except for a ew things, it shuldn't be
>3.0, it shouldn't be an integral release at all.. I consider a release

   I said it once already, and I will say it again:
   Workbench 2.1 does not require a new ROM, and it does not support AGA.
   Workbench 3.0 does require a new ROM, and it does support AGA. 
   If you don't understand the complexity involved in supporting entirely new
graphic chips in an operating system, say so, but being so emphatic about such
pointless questions. It really doesn't matter what the version is called, as
long as it's available.
   
>Frankly, other than the AGA, I don't think
>too much work was done to give the OS itself a boost.

   All shall become clear, grasshopper. Stop flaming Commodore for things that
you do no yet understand. 


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Subject:      Re: Hello AMIGALAND!

Yes, we got it
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:34:05 -0400
From:         cultural elite <dsr@LNS598.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A4000

JANR.WILKENS@DATA.AID.NO writes:
>I'm tired of Commodore never releasing any information to the public, and
>also all the wild romours about A4000 and such, so here is some information
>for all of you.

Let me get this straight--you are tired of A4000 rumours, so you decide
to spread some yourself?  (Commodore, by the way, does release information
to the public--when they think it is time to.)

>OK. This is all for now. Hope this helps a bit.

I've got only one thing to say--if you want facts about the A4000, the AA
chipset, and whatever other favorite rumour topics you may have, wait and
see if there are any official Commodore announcements.  Anything else is
just rumour, and lots of the stuff being passed around as "information"
contains very little real information.
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From: LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET (Jim Loomis)
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Subject: Re: Portable Amiga
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:28:00 GMT
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Let's see Stef...  That would be about 8 1/2" X 11 3/4" X 1 3/4", right?

That would be a pretty competitive package.  Let us know about price, battery
life and display quality if you can find out.

Jim Loomis      LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET        607-274-3913
        Director, Telecommunications Facilities
        Roy H. Park School of Communications
        Ithaca College, Ithaca, NY 14850-7256 USA
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:47:45 +0100
From:         "F.P.M. Wetzels" <wetzels@AMC.UVA.NL>
Subject:      RE: A4000, 1200

>I was the one who posted that.  According to BYTE magazine a few months ago,
>they were anticipating that the MC68060 would have a 128 bit internal bus.

Humpf? MC68060? What's that for a beast? Do you rember inwhat BYTE it was
published?


Frank
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:37:54 -0400
From:         CAMACHO@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      Music player

Hello all, I need some advice.
I want to put a bunch of IFFs on a disk and use something like the
director to produce a repeating slide show. I would also like to put
several Sound Tracker mods on this disk and have a program play
the songs, and also repeat them after the last song is played.
IS there a PD program that could allow to enter a list of songs and have
them continously play?? (Also, I need the program to be able to run from
the cli because I want this musical slideshow to be self-running/Booting.

Thanks
Carlos
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From:         RICO JANSEN <JANSEN@RUUMTC.TCU.RUU.NL>
Subject:      RE: C++ (?)

I know that there is a port of the GNU C++ compiler. If I recall correctly
it needed quite a lot of ram. Look at one of the known ftp-sites for it.


Rico Jansen
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:42:40 -0400
From:         Calvin Chu <ngk@EAGLE.TC.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A4000 and A1200 (!!)

This whole deal with the cpu modularity is wonderful.  I wonder if it's just
normal looking cards that are plugged in.  It makes me wonder, there is a
rumor of a RISC card that may be developed if enough interest exists.  With
this modularity stuff, the possibility of multiprocessing exists.  Of any
PC operating system, I think the Amiga OS will be easiest to multiprocess.

Also, the thing with Kickstart 3.0, what bologna!!!!! Kickstart 3.0 should
be 2.2 for all the new features they put in!! Geez!! If anything deserved
an integral version upgrade it was 1.x to 2.x, the purpose of Kickstart 3.0?
What is this commodore's way of making its operating system comparable to
Windows 3.0 or something? GEeez.
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From: ah739@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leslie J. Somos)
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Subject: Re: What is Internet, ?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:09:50 GMT
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In a previous article, lamptey@ACSE.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (d lamptey msc) says:

>Hi aLL:
>
>Can someone tell me some things about internet:
>
>* Who "owns" it, how it is funded, What it is (academic network?)
>
>* I guess it is a world-wide network?
>
>------------------
>
>The big question:  Why do I need to know this ?
>
>Well I have made a reference in my thesis to some stuff I found on InterNet,
>and need to appendicize some blurb about Internet!!!!
>
>
>
>Derryck.
>
>
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This book probably has more in it than you would ever want to know,
but if it is available, see  'The Matrix'  by John Quatermain.
It is incredibly detailed, a chapter apiece about the Internet in
each major geographicalarea, and introductory chapters, etc, etc.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:46:00 EDT
From:         Ernest Crvich <GENERAL@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      REXX 'variables'

   Since a few more people seem to be interested in REXX, I thought I'd
toss in a quick piece of REXX trivia.
   The values of REXX variables and expressions are always character
strings.  (!)  It's true.
   For example, the following snippet :

number = 13.5  /* or is it?  nope...stored internally as the string "13.5" */
string = number||"0 grams."
say string

   will print the text '13.50 grams.'
   Of course, you can still do mathematical operations on 'number'...

number = number + 1.5
say number||"0 grams."

   If the above code is added to the first snippet, the additional line
of output will result in : '15.00 grams.'  It is interesting to note that
'15.00' is printed instead of '150'.
   More interesting is that you can change the first line of the original
snippet to 'number = "13.5"', and everything works the same.  That is :

number = "13.5"
number = number + "1.5"  /* string addition... :) */
say number

   This will print '15.0'.  Neat, eh?  :)

   This fact (universal string representation) makes output formatting
very easy, but is a bit disconcerting to think about (if you're used to
explicitly defining variable types).
   Hope this was informative to some folks...
   Later,
--
Ernest Crvich                    ''Life can suck, even when you're
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                 having a good time.''
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu                           -- Jan Dujardin
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From: sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada)
Subject: Re: Other Bucky stuff: Critical Path hAIR
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:34:47 GMT

In <BuCrpM.C5@csn.org> van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn) writes:

>Since this is the only newsgroup I could find that talked about anything
>Bucky did,  I ws wondering if it was O.K. to discuss other of his theories
>besides the Geodesic Dome?

>I was particularly interested in the book Critical Path, and its aplication
>to the world situation we are now in, where people exceed usefull jobs.

>Any comments?

I've always liked Bucky's assertion that, contrary to common opinion, there
are enough resources on Spaceship Earth ( :-) to give every human adequate
living conditions. With systematic application of scientific and technological
principles, we can give everyone food, shelter, and education. Each person 
would have the option of working or not, learning or not, but everyone would
be given basic needs.

The part of the above statement that hits the nerve of the "working American"
is that noone would be forced to work in order to "make a living". Many people
think that noone should get anything for free. But if the resources are 
available, they should be used for the purpose of diminishing human 
sufferring and increasing human productivity.

Yes, I said _increasing_. I also agree with Fuller's assertion that if people
were not enslaved by the work they have to do to "make a living", and if
they were given the opportunity to do self-directed learning in any field
they wished, they would not become lazy, but become highly productive.
They would work in a field that they liked, at a pace that they liked, without
the restrictions imposed by the need to make money. The motivation to work
would be a combination of a natural desire to improve oneself and a
socially imposed desire to gather more material goods (although this desire
would slowly work it's way out of the collective consciousness as it was
replaced by the first).



Please don't flame me if you find that something ommitted or unclear
(feel free, of course, to ask me nicely to elucidate :-)). This is just
a quick overview off the top of my head.


Fuller has written quite a bit about these ideas, with much more skill than
I have. I recommend going to the nearest library and reading everything by
Fuller...


                     Later,
                       Steven Ourada
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From:         Seth <RSCH281C@UHCL2.BITNET>
Subject:      Fuller at Future Studies Program

I am pleased to say that the University of Houston-Clear Lake

now has Fuller's chapter on the World Game from _Critical_Path_ as

required reading in their Introductory course on Studies of the Future.


They also will be reading an article by Barbara Marx Hubbard about Bucky

which was published in thFuturist.

Its a small measure, but an important one.

For your interest, the University of Houston-Clear Lake has a graduate

program in Studies of the Future.  Future studies is its own department,

and as such is the only such one in the country.
From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
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Date: 11 Sep 92 07:38:45 GMT
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Hey Steve, maybe I got something started again that will really go somewhere!
I hope other fans and critics of Fuller will take up the challange and pull
buckey back off the shelf!

Van!!
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From:         Richard Everman <reverman@KA.REG.UCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Domes to replace mobile Homes?

In message <9209102311.AA06188@ka.reg.uci.edu> List for the discussion of
Buckminster Fuller's works
              writes:
> With all the movement by the various levels of government to either
> ban or severely restrict mobile homes in Southern Florida (post-Andrew),
> I was wondering if the various dome manufacturers have looked upon
> this as a way to expand their marketplace??
>
> I would think an inexpensive dome would be an admirable replacement and
> far more wind resistant than a mobile home...
>
> Just a stray thought on the commute home last night....
>
> 	-Steve Cary

Steve

I like the idea.  Do you have cost comparisons between a dome and mobile homes?

Thanks

Richard
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From:         "A Page in the Life of ..." <adam@CHAOS.CS.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Subject:      Domes to replace mobile Homes?

   From: Steve Cary <cary@SCRIPPS.EDU>

   With all the movement by the various levels of government to either
   ban or severely restrict mobile homes in Southern Florida (post-Andrew),
   I was wondering if the various dome manufacturers have looked upon
   this as a way to expand their marketplace??

   I would think an inexpensive dome would be an admirable replacement and
   far more wind resistant than a mobile home...

   Just a stray thought on the commute home last night....

	   -Steve Cary

I heard on the radio (yes I was down in florida for the debicle ...) down
there that there were a few plastic houses being blown (as in inflated) and
the guy who apparently does the living specks on habitats was quoted to say
that he thought it was rediculous, but if it works, he might allow it.

Remember in Kissimee (sp?) florida Xanadu was built.

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