HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Re: What computer is the "Coruba, DO DA" ad done on?
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:59:44 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec23.100444.453@otago.ac.nz> by athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson):

> > Have you seen Todd Rundren's "Theology" video? I asked about it on
> > comp.graphics.animation, and was told that it was done entirely on Amigas
> > and Macs.
> 
> I haven't seen it, my question would be what was done on Amiga, and what on
> Mac, there are some very good packages available for Mac (includeing MacTopas)

    Todd Rundren has done a video almost completely with a bank of
    Amigas equipped with VideoToasters. The software that comes with
    that for rendering is Lightwave, but I'd guess that the video
    depends as much on the hardware tricks the VT does as it does on
    the rendering software.

    There are a few people who are making a living with Amiga
    animation in comp.sys.amiga.graphics, and they are quite
    enthusiastic about a show called Babylon 5, which should live or
    die sometime in '93. The computer graphics are done with Amigas
    and Lightwave. Apparently Lightwave won't run without a VT
    connected to the computer, but they aren't putting the output
    through the VT, they are writing the 24-bit images directly to
    tape.

> Amiga/PC/Mac can/cannot do, just the attitude of some to others who clearly have
> the experience to make at least some judegment about broadcast quality
> animation. 8-)

    It has been very interesting to read about this stuff.

> Alastair Thomson,                   | Phone +64-3-479-8347
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From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: nz.comp
Subject: Connect Magazine
Date: 25 Dec 1992 22:42:15 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

This was posted to one of the Atari groups, but as its not 
Atari specific, I though it would be nice to post a copy here....


Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000

92Dec22.125005.3874@cc.umontreal.ca>
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000


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Newsgroups: nz.archives
From: lundman@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (L Lundman)
Subject: Re: ftphost.vuw.ac.nz AMIGA Archive Administrivia
Organization: Disorganised.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:15:31 GMT


In article <jbickers.0mg8@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

       I would, but Citynet has disabled ftp (and Maranatha only has
       about 9MB free at the moment :).

Heh, Illegal move from the wcc, anyway, I can upload the winners of all
4 categories (sp?). And Someone esle can uploaded the runnerup's.

Kef





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Newsgroups: nz.archives
From: lundman@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (L Lundman)
Subject: Re: ftphost.vuw.ac.nz AMIGA Archive Administrivia
Organization: Disorganised.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:32:11 GMT
	<LUNDMAN.93Jan2143415@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>
	<jbickers.0mex@templar.actrix.gen.nz>

In article <jbickers.0mex@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

       By way of a hint to people with both ftp access to Vic and BBS
       access, it would be nice to see these appear on Maranatha... :)

Heh, yeah, nice idea :) Uhmm, you do it... :) I'm not about to ul
all 48 megs of it with 2400 baud :)

Kef

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New Zealand            wrong here is actually my fault."
Phone: +64 4 478 2724 (GMT+11 hrs) Amiga Archive Admin on ftphost.vuw.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.archives
From: root@comp.vuw.ac.nz (The Superuser)
Subject: Recent additions to VUW Computer Science Archive
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:54:59 GMT

The Dept. of Computer Science maintains a public access archive
for software and computer related documents.

The following files have been added to the archive in the last fortnight:

   319265 Jan  2 03:56 pub/ls-lR.Z
  1858503 Dec 23 17:11 pub/ethermon_v241.bck.Z
   682383 Dec 24 10:26 pub/mail/msdos/pmail235.exe
      375 Dec 23 17:11 pub/ethermon_v241.fdl.Z
   207695 Dec 23 22:16 pub/packages/gnu/autoconf-1.2.tar.Z
     4562 Dec 23 22:20 pub/packages/gnu/config.subr-1.0
    78075 Dec 30 23:43 pub/packages/gnu/gcc-2.3.2-2.3.3.diff.Z
   511275 Dec 23 16:21 pub/packages/gnu/emacs.diff-18.58-18.59.Z
    26362 Dec 21 10:03 pub/packages/X/R5/fixes/fix-21
    64049 Dec 23 07:31 pub/packages/X/R5/fixes/sunkbd.921216.tar.Z
    83707 Dec 23 10:42 pub/languages/tcl/vuw_meters_widgets.tar.Z
   172092 Jan  3 05:31 rfc/rfc-index
    30628 Dec 20 19:08 rfc/rfc733.Z
     5182 Dec 23 12:23 rfc/rfc1326.Z

Additionally recent traffic in the comp.sources.* and alt.sources
groups is archived in the archive subtree.  See the relevant "toc" files
for new listings.

For details on how to access the archive see the monthly posting in
this group.
Newsgroups: nz.archives
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.archives
Subject: Re: ftphost.vuw.ac.nz AMIGA Archive Administrivia
Date: 3 Jan 93 09:56:32 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <LUNDMAN.93Jan2213211@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz> by lundman@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (L Lundman):

> Heh, yeah, nice idea :) Uhmm, you do it... :) I'm not about to ul
> all 48 megs of it with 2400 baud :)

    I would, but Citynet has disabled ftp (and Maranatha only has
    about 9MB free at the moment :).

> Kef
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.archives
Subject: Re: ftphost.vuw.ac.nz AMIGA Archive Administrivia
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:48:46 PST
Organization: TAP

    [Re stuff from Party II]

    By way of a hint to people with both ftp access to Vic and BBS
    access, it would be nice to see these appear on Maranatha... :)

> 	Kef
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Newsgroups: nz.archives
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.archives
Subject: Re: ftphost.vuw.ac.nz AMIGA Archive Administrivia
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:43:52 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <dgold.0uy8@basso.actrix.gen.nz> by dgold@basso.actrix.gen.nz (Dale Gold):

> I've got quite a few of them in /files/amiga/new on Actrix overnight.

    Ahem. Let me just cancel TrapDoor's interference with my serial
    port so I can dial Actrix immediately...!

> Dale
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Newsgroups: capdist.misc
From: BH4781@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Hoyts raises Movie ticket prices
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:00:03 EST

In article <1mr2gh_@rpi.edu>
xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:
 
>In article <rfp205@rpi.edu> night@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>>In <abp2nrq@rpi.edu> sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan) writes:
>>
>>>Hoyts Cinema, who runs the movie theater at Crossgates
>>>(among others), has announced that they are increasing
>>>their ticket prices for adults.
>>
>>Raised 50 cents to $7.25.
>>
>>>It just seems ridiculous to me.
>
>If you pay full price for a Hoyts movie, you're crazy.  It's far better
>to buy their Cinema Cash, which costs $50 for a book for 10 tickets.
>That also includes 10 coupons for $1 off their outrageously overpriced
>refreshments, so it really comes out to $4 per ticket.
>
>Personally, I'm more upset that Hoyts has raised the price of its
>refreshments and decreased the size of its "small" sodas and popcorn.
>
>I doubt that ticket prices are driven by costs.  Film distributors
>typically get a percentage of the gross box office receipts.  Ticket
>prices, like everything else, are driven by market forces.  Hoyts has
>a monopoly in this area, and they charge as much as people are willing
>to pay.  Simple as that.
>
>By the way, I'm pretty sure that theaters make most of their money
>from selling refreshments.  Stuff like popcorn and soda are almost
>pure profit.  If you want to save money, bring your own food.
 
Hoyt's also changed its Cinema 10 -- the one behind Northway Mall by
BJ's and Lechmere -- to a second run discount movie house. So you can
get bargains there if you are willing to wait. They also now have
a discount night -- on Tuesday you pay aprox. $4 for a ticket all day.
 
You can always visit the Madison theatre or the Spectrum and see
quality films for less. But I do agree about the monopoly buisness --
we need other theatre chains in the area to increase competitiveness
and lower prices and make for better service!
Newsgroups: capdist.misc
From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Hoyts raises Movie ticket prices
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: capdist
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:08:06 GMT



Mitchell, I for one would like to thank you for all of your research!!!!
What a service for all moviegoers in the Capital Region...Did you post
anywhere else?

Cheers,

Donna :>




Newsgroups: capdist.misc
From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Hoyts raises Movie ticket prices
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: capdist
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:02:30 GMT


Why not protest and try to get your friends to view movies at the
$1.99 and second-run houses.  They will make more $$ with many seats
filled than the first run theaters will with 6 people total.  Last
nite I viewed a first-run film, "Leap of Faith" (with free passes, not
paid admission - gift I might add!)  at the Wilton Mall Hoyt's.  Guess what?
Six people.

Saratoga has a second-run theater $1.99 per seat.  Saw Singles last week.
Full theater there!!!

They WILL get the message!!!

Donna :>
Newsgroups: capdist.misc
From: goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold)
Subject: Re: Hoyts raises Movie ticket prices
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: capdist
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:08:00 GMT

I finally contacted the Madison, the information is:

Madison Theater (489-5431) [1036 Madison Ave, Albany] second-run movies
Prices: $4.50 adult and senior citizens
        $2.50 children
        $5.50 for first-run movies

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Newsgroups: capdist.misc
From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Hoyts raises Movie ticket prices
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Distribution: capdist
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:56:59 GMT

In article <rfp205@rpi.edu> night@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>In <abp2nrq@rpi.edu> sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan) writes:
>
>>Hoyts Cinema, who runs the movie theater at Crossgates
>>(among others), has announced that they are increasing
>>their ticket prices for adults.
>
>>Offhand, I don't remember the exact new pricing.
>
>Raised 50 cents to $7.25.
>
>>It just seems ridiculous to me.
>
>I agree totally.  They claim it's because of cost increases, but given 
>the current rate of inflation, I find that hard to believe.

If you pay full price for a Hoyts movie, you're crazy.  It's far better
to buy their Cinema Cash, which costs $50 for a book for 10 tickets.
That also includes 10 coupons for $1 off their outrageously overpriced
refreshments, so it really comes out to $4 per ticket.

Personally, I'm more upset that Hoyts has raised the price of its 
refreshments and decreased the size of its "small" sodas and popcorn.

I doubt that ticket prices are driven by costs.  Film distributors
typically get a percentage of the gross box office receipts.  Ticket
prices, like everything else, are driven by market forces.  Hoyts has
a monopoly in this area, and they charge as much as people are willing
to pay.  Simple as that.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that theaters make most of their money
from selling refreshments.  Stuff like popcorn and soda are almost
pure profit.  If you want to save money, bring your own food.
-- 
Joe Schwartz       E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu
MapInfo Corp.
200 Broadway       Disclaimer: "Everything I know is wrong."
Troy, NY 12180     Corollary:  "Nothing I say represents MapInfo Corp."
Newsgroups: dc.housing
From: bnixon@fnma.com (Bill Nixon)
Subject:  Apartment to share in Alexandria, VA
Organization: FannieMae, Washington, DC
Distribution: dc
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:09:52 GMT


My current roommate is moving out and I'd like to stay where I am.

Details:

2 floor, 2 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath apartment with balcony, kitchen,
den and living/dinning room apartment located in Alexandria, Va
(Foxchase).  Close to I-395, I-495, Landmark Mall and Old Town
Alexandria.  Current rent is $450/person, which will probably
increase slightly with the new tenant.  Utilities are not included,
but have been running about $50/person per month, including telephone,
cable, gas, and electric.

Available March 1, 1993.  Need lease signed around the end of
January, since I will need to give 30-days notice to stay or go.

Non-smokers preferred.  I *think* cats are welcome with a small
fee.

Please contact me at work (8am-6pm) 202-752-5468, home (6pm - 11pm)
703-370-8267 or email bnixon@fnma.com.

Bill
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FannieMae, 3900 Wisconsin Ave NW, Washington, DC 22016  (202) 752-5468
Newsgroups: dc.housing
From: watug@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Washington Area Transputer Users Group)
Subject: Roommate wanted to share 2 bedroom apt. in Rockville, MD
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:10:46 GMT


Roommate Wanted to share 2 bedroom Rockville Apartment

- Located on Twinbrook Pkwy between Viers Mill Rd and Rt 355
- Near to Twinbrook METRO
- Ground level
- Door to outside w/ patio
- $348/month + 1/2 gas
- Water and electric included
- Available immediately

Please contact Sheryl at 301-770-8622.
Please do not post or send email to this account.

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Newsgroups: dc.housing
From: Scott C. Dawson <dawson@mizzen.niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Sublet 3BR house in Alexandria
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Dec 92 09: 39:37 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University Medical School
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:33:21 GMT

House available for rent in Alex/Belleview area, available Jan 1, 1993

Located off GW parkway

3BR, 1 1/2 baths, W/D , central air
Big Back yard, with view of Potomac
Small toolshed, and ample attic storage

Driveway parking

Sublet Jan-Aug 1993

Contact Scott or Jenny at (703)-768-5696

or dawson@mizzen.niaid.nih.gov
From: m22495@mwunix (Ronald W. Williams)
Newsgroups: dc.housing
Subject: TH to share in Fairfax
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:42:16 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

Fairfax.

One (or two) NS F/M to share TH.  3 LVL, 3 BR, 2 full &
2 half BA, large kitchen and basement.  D/W, W/D, 
Hardwood FLR, cable, ample parking.  Nice area.

Close to I66, I495, GMU, Metro, Fair Oaks Mall, shopping.

Share with one M prof/p-t grad student/home brewer/SCUBA diver.
I am considerate and trustworthy, and I expect the same from you.

Available 1 Feb 93.  Slightly earlier is possible also, but I need
to know ASAP.

Rent: $475 + 1/2 utils (if one)
      $316 + 1/3 utils (if two)
      security deposit

Contact: Ron  (before Dec 23 or after Dec 27)
  703-883-6674 (days)
  703-273-5244 (eves)
  m22495@mitre.org (email)
Xref: sparky dc.housing:301 um.housing:29
From: fmc@mimsy.umd.edu (Frank McFadden)
Newsgroups: dc.housing,um.housing
Subject: Rooms in House to Share - Adelphi
Date: 26 Dec 92 15:35:24 GMT
Followup-To: dc.housing
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


			HOUSE TO SHARE IN ADELPHI

	- Classy 4 bedroom house with 1 1/2 bathrooms
	- NEW carpet!
	- Very nice, quiet neighborhood
	- Close to UMD, 95, and 495.
	- 2.5 mi from Stamp Union, and near shuttle stop
	- Eat-in kitchen, dining room, recreation room
	- Central AC, heating, and humidifier.
	- Washer/drier
	- Fireplace
	- Patio
	- Jogging/biking path begins across the street.
	- Three of four rooms available:
		$240/mo + ut. 
		$260/mo + ut.
		$265/mo + ut.  (extra large, in basement)
		$335/mo + ut.  (master bedroom with 1/2 bath)

	Professionals or grad students preferred.

	Call Frank  	353-9634   
			or 431-4062 
	or send mail to fmc@cs

Newsgroups: dc.housing
From: Scott C. Dawson <dawson@mizzen.niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Housemate Sought --Alexandria/Belleview
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Dec 92 09: 46:56 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University Medical School
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:40:38 GMT

Room for rent in 3-bedroom house in Alexandria/Belleview, just 1/2 mile
from Old Town.

Parking space, washer/dryer, central air, cable TV

1 1/2 bathrooms

Nice backporch, backyard

Great for student/ young professional

Available immediately (12/12/92)


$275/mo + 1/3 utilities

Respond e-mail to dawson@mizzen.niaid.nih.gov or (703)-768-5676
Newsgroups: dc.smithsonian
From: gaueao@fnma.COM (Edward A. Overly)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Exhibit
Reply-To: gaueao@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:02:43 GMT

Check the Weekend section in Friday's Washington Post.  It lists
exhibits and dates.
---
Ed Overly
gaueao@fnma.com
From: M15841@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: dc.smithsonian
Subject: Star Trek Exhibit
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:14:34 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102


 
Does anybody know the exact date the Star Trek exhibit will leave town?
 
Mary Brick
e-mail:  m15841@mitre.org
From: kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: dc.smithsonian
Subject: Am Hist Exhibit Question
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I heard a while back there was a Vietnam exhibit in the
American History Museum which was a display of the things
gathered that people left at the Wall.

Does anyone know if this exhibit is still going on?  And
if so, how one goes about seeing it.  Is it just as simple
as walking into the Am.Hist. Museum during regular business
hours?

Thanks ,
Andrew
From: M02449@mwvm.mitre.org (Joe Gems)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Goodbye dc.general
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:41:40 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1haftbINNrm4@mirror.digex.com>
mayhem@access.digex.com (Sgt. Mayhem) writes:
 
>
>Anyone every hear of a kill file? Just add the poster and the subject gun
>to your kill file and you won't have to worry!
>
Unfortunately, software (and capabilities) vary from site to site on the net.
Some of us (self included) don't have a kill file capability. (We can, though,
review article subject, so if people only used the subject line intelligently,
that would help!)
>
In any event, though, can we get that stuff posted elsewhere? It basically has
nothing directly to do with D.C., it's degenerated into pure debate, stripped
of any real relevance to anything, and it's incredibly repetitious close-minded
dogmatic drivel (on BOTH sides!).
Newsgroups: dc.general