HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Ro Laren leaving leading her to Crosby's position (was: Re: 7th season ?)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:55:23 GMT

Edward V. Wright writes
> [...] and Ensign Ro is leaving.

I think that she's going to fall into the same trap as Denise Crosby  
did.  Crosby said in a TV Guide interview shortly before she left  
ST:TNG that she was afraid of being typecast.  In this article she said  
that she didn't want to be stuck saying things like "Hailing  
frequencies open" all the time.  I've heard (no other sources given)  
from friends that the woman who plays Ro Laren has said the same thing.

I get the feeling that, like Crosby, the offers for her to be in  
anything else will unfortunately be few and far between.  In the case  
of Crosby, and not necessarily the woman who plays Ro Laren, since not  
acting (and thus not making money at one's most-worked-on trade  
[another TV Guide quote from Crosby just prior to her leaving the  
show]) means not making money, a little typecasting (or just keeping  
the role you have been in) might not be so bad.  After all, steady  
money keep you fed and warm.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:18:57 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec15.213615.26359@julian.uwo.ca> cazabon@csd.uwo.ca (Yvan Cazabon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.132949.9419@iscsvax.uni.edu> hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>Mike Hollander suggested a female captian for the E. While he believes it may
>>be ok for stardate 4507 whatever it won't work for 1992.  
>
>...just a short interjection here...
>
>Excuse me folks, but have we all forgotten about "Yesterday's Enterprise" and
>her captain?
>

I get the feeling the original poster was talking about a regular
series with a female capt., not just a guest appearance. At the risk
of starting something that may get ugly,  I think the original poster
is correct, that American audiences aren't ready for strong female
leads that are equivalents to Picard.  The TV stereotypes are still
to strong to overcome even for an `enlightened' show like TNG.

 
-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where are the Yeomans? (was Re: Officer ranks)
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:38:15 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec11.001939.1822@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:

>All right, the Commodore question seems to be setteled. So in keeping with the
>navy tradition, where are the Yeomans? TOS had plenty with Janice Rand being
>the best known Yeoman. Anoyne seen any on TNG?

Why?  The only thing yeomen ever seemed to do was stand around 
holding clipboards.  Maybe Star Fleet's auditing department
finally figured out that any Captain fit for active duty could 
do that for himself.
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Why no brand names on TNG-Why Not?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:31:26 EST

    Has anyone in the earlier thread mentionned the following?
   1):  Would it make a difference which brand of a good the officers get?
If Starfleet obtains its goods (or replicator templates) like some military
operations, there would be only one brand available anyway.  For example,
taking the tea example, Starfleet deals with (say) Twining for all its
Earl Grey flavored tea, and other brands are not available through the
official channels (because Starfleet feels that the flavor of the other
brands are not substantially different.)
   2)  Some equipment names are indeed trademarks:  As we refer to
"photocopying" as xeroxing, or "adhesive tapes" as Scotch tapes,
perhaps "Tricorders" were originally recording/computer-link devices
first produced by Tricorders Inc.
     Sorry if these were already mentionned, but this is the first time
I'm reading this particular thread.
 
                Junsok Yang
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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Every Good Boy Deserves Favor?
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:33:34

Please forgive me if I have committed the unpardonable sin of reviving
a subject already beaten to death, but has anyone heard of a play
called Every Good Boy Deserves Favor?  I heard it advertised as one
show only in Chicago on (I believe) April 10, with Patrick Stewart,
Jonathan Frakes, Gates McFadden, Brent Spiner, Colm Meaney and at
least one other person whose name I did not recognize.  Any info would
be greatly appreciated.
BTW, I might be mistaken about the title and may have left out an
actor or two.  Or I might have significantly misspelled some names.
But I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the vicinity of the words above.

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:48:47 GMT

In article <78213@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>Everyone talks about how great an actor Stewart is, and how he out-shines
>all the other actors on the show (possible exception - Spiner).  Well, I'm
>going to have to take your word for it, because with few exceptions, there's
>no way to tell.

	Wanna bet?

  Let's face it, discouting such rare gems as "The Inner
>Light", what have we seen Stewart do that's so damn good?  When your story
>sucks (or, let's not say it sucks, let's just say it's "average"), there's
>not a whole lot a great actor can do about it.  You need a great story
>first,

	Ever hear of rising above your material?

	Try WE SHALL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS, etc.

	Actors frequently outshine their material, and Stewart has done
this quite a bit. If he wants to leave, all the best to him....





-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon origins
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:29:25 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Dec11.073323.5066@news.vanderbilt.edu>, GORDONKA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu () writes:
>    Actually, I seem to remember reading somewhere (either one of the Star
> Trek novels or the ST:TNG tech manualthat the reason that Klingons look
> different in the present show as opposed to their faintly oriental "fu 
> manchu" look of the original is that during the time period between the two
> eras, the more aggressive, present-day race of Klingons came into power on
> the Klingon home world and thus affected the gene pool, as it were, all but
> eliminating the previous race of Klingons through a generation of breeding.
> 
>                               ................... The Reverend
> 
> 
> ===========================================================================
> The Reverend Keith A. Gordon                 GordonKA@CtrVax.Vanderbilt.Edu
> The Tabernacle of the Holy
>    Absurdity/Bar & Grill                     MONDO GORDO! BBS 615.791.8050
> ===========================================================================

I also recall reading in one of the manuals that the Klingons we see
in TOS are actually genetic hybrids bred specifically to infaltate federation
territories. Was not till ST 1 movie where the federation was STUNNED to see
what a real klingon looked like when they intercepted the signal from the 
klingon command ship while it was battleing V'GER

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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Re: STVI Continuity error ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:23:12 GMT

This was (kinda) mentioned on .misc a few months back...

The general consensus was that the Excelsior was NOT actually charting
gaseous anomalies... it was patrolling the border of the Klingon-Federation
Neutral Zone so as to achieve a tactical advantage.

Of COURSE they were ostensibly checking out gaseous anomalies.

And the US Navy has deployed some submarines in the past scant miles off the
coast of Asia for 'wargaming scenarios'.  Hmm.

This was just a thought (conceived by few, shared by many)

* * * * * * * * * *

Marius
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

* * * * * * * * * *

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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)
Subject: Chain of Command thoughts (maybe Spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:37:49 GMT

Here's my call regarding Chain of Command...

Note that this comes from the 'title reflects episode content'
theory... one which has not been conclusively proven as valid...

* * *

















____________________

I believe the episode's title has not been borne out yet.  I
certainly don't think the title "Chain of Command" refers to
any transfer of command of the Enterprise.  That would just
be a stupid idea (let me admit here, however, that the writers
are perfectly capable of stupid ideas).

I think the title "Chain of Command" hints at some deeper
conspiracy... possibly a Cardassian-Federation cooperation, or
some other interest entirely.  The title tends to lend itself
to the plot unfolding of a conspiracy high-up in the ranks.

Or, possibly, the title might refer to a VIOLATION of the
"Chain of Command" -- in essence, Riker taking over command,
or the Enterprise crew arranging a mutiny to overthrow the
hated actions of Capt. Jellico, or Jellico himself experiencing
a change of heart regarding his actions and violating Starfleet
orders to rescue Picard.  I think this would be an interesting
twist of events -- we got to see Riker yelling at Jellico about
"You can't just leave the Captain there to die!" and Jellico
shouts back, "Are you questioning my authority, Commander?"
Perhaps Jellico will decide that he's been a huge penis and
will go mount a mission to rescue Picard... stranger things
have happened.

They could wrap this one up (continuing along these lines)
with Jellico being court-martialled after successfully saving
the Captain... this would put Picard back into the swing of
things, and would put Jellico in a good-guy role.

Comments welcome -- I won't be catching Part II for a little
while (I have to go home to New England for break, and the
TV schedules are way out of whack).

____________________

Marius
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

____________________

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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: I, BORG ... or am I????
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1992Dec12.001029.27295@netcom.com> <1gbncqINN70@transfer.stratus.com>
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:53:32

In article <1gbncqINN70@transfer.stratus.com> det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.001029.27295@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>>Just as speculation, maybe the Borg home world was in the Dyson's sphere in
>>"Relics". It's not out of their technological grasp.
> 
> I think you're vastly underestimating the engineering required to construct
> a rigid Dyson shell.  I don't believe the Borg are remotely capable of
> that kind of accomplishment.
> 

You might be interested in `Spinneret', a novel by Timothy Zahn which
touched on these and related issues (I don't want to give anything
away, it's worth reading).  Wouldn't be the first time TNG has used
some of his ideas :-)

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
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From: gkatz@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: Action Figure Observation
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:33:11 GMT

In article <rccarm00.724290364@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
>   Speaking of action figures, does anyone know why the Riker figure
>has rips in his uniform??  I am quite curious..
>
>RC Carman

Perhaps Riker just had sex with a Klingon woman. ;-)

gkatz
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The Inner Light on Video ??
Keywords: Picard, Flutes, Probes
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:26:43 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


  To all R.A.S.C readers in the UK :

Has anyone spotted "The Inner Light" episode on video in any
shops yet?  I have been after this episode for a while, but there
don't seem to have been any new releases on video for a while.
Does anyone know when this episode is likely to come out?

pete j suters ---- bath university ---- email: p.j.suters@uk.ac.swurcc 
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From: kboss35@ursa.calvin.edu (Karen Boss)
Subject: Re: TNG: Is it over??????
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:03:42 GMT

There are a lot of people who think that STNG is going to end within a year or so....I've heard two different answers to this question....which is it?  I heard that it's just a rumor, but I've also heard that most of the cast is getting tired of doing the show!  Can it be true?

Hopefully, it will endure all of these rumors and continue to go where no one  has gone before!

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From: seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner)
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Organization: Kernforschungszentrum Karlsruhe (Germany)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.040258.6247@zooid.guild.org>, Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
|> In article <By5zs1.H4s@iai.kfk.de> seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner)
|> writes:
|> > Psychologically, men who have beards want to
|> > hide something, they don't want to "show their face".
|> 
|> 
|> AIYYYEEEEE!  AAAAARGH!!!!!  Another Pop Psychologist!
|> 
|> KILL!!  KILL!!!!  KILL!!!!!!!!!!!
|> 
Okay, okay, next time I'll keep my thoughts to myself ... 
But, seriously, I'm sorry for having posted to rec.arts.startrek.*.
The first posting I read on this subject was in soc.men and I hadn't
realized where it came from. Sorry about that!
|> 
|> (Just kidding, David...)
|> 
No biggie! I'm not oversensitive.
|> ---
|> Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org                      "Neil Hull is GOiD"
|> ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids            "GOiDS Rule"
|> (416) 322-7876
|> 
|> "Cthulhu for President in '92 - Why vote for the _lesser_ of two evils?"
|>                                                           - Bronis Vidugiris
|> ---
|>  * SLMR 2.1a * Hey... the show is doing GREAT, lets replace it!

-- 
dave
seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de
From: am001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: replicator question
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:23:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Shark

-- 
"My doctor says that I have a malformed public duty gland and a natural
deficiency in moral fiber," he muttered to himself, "and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."		--Ford Prefect
Shark (aka Adam Mackenroth)		am001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: gkatz@csws6.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.010527.12853@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:

>I think that your reasoning is kind of circular.  In order for women to be
>accepted as leaders, we need to have more women leaders, but they won't be
>accepted because there aren't very many, and around and around and around.
>The way to break this is to put women in positions of leadership and by
>doing so change people's perceptions.  I vote for a female captain!
>
>Amy
>aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu
>

Let's not forget, and certainly hope it's the case, that for woman to be captain of a ship,
or a political leader, that she received that positoin because she was the best
person for the job at the time of its availability.  In other words, I do not want
a woman in any position of authority just because she's a woman, and I don't want
a man in any position of authority just because he's a man.

I have no problem with a woman commanding the Enterprise, but should there be one
in the future, I pray that it's not going to be another "a woman can do just as much
as a man" type of episode seen in many television shows of women suddenly in
positions held only by men in the past.  

That is why, for instance, I like Murphy Brown.  Here there is a strong
female character of considerable authority and deserved respect, but she
doesn't shove it in your face that's she's female.  She lets her work
and abilities speak for how terrific she is at what she does.  She doesn't
try to prove anything.

gkatz

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: How do you start a flame war? Glad you asked ...
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:51:23 GMT

In article <sfl23mp@rpi.edu> plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.202616.27199@panix.com> jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau) writes:
>>falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:
>>
>>>The top ten things ways to start a flame war on rec.arts.startrek.current:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>> 1.  Gene who?
>>
>>Shouldn't this be "Jean who?"
>
>Check the credits dude, Gene  is the correct spelling, always has been, 
>always will be...
>

Where has he been? Where have YOU been?!?!

Ok, before this degenerates into a full flame war, the reference to "Jean"
was from a posting over on r.a.s.misc, I think it was, in which someone
posted to the net his newsbreak that he had just heard that "Jean Rodanbury" 
had died. A lot of people think, because of the way that the message was 
written, that it was just an attempt to get a raise out of r.a.s.er's, and 
start a flame war. (the poster said things to the effect of Star Trek being
great because Data has nice hair) 
-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command, Part I (comment):....who knows....
Keywords: TNG
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:39:48 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Libraries
NNTP-Posting-Host: standdx26.kerr.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec20.044629.9170@blkbox> egan@blkbox (Doug Egan) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
>Path: gaia.ucs.orst.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!udel!intercon!psinntp!blkbox!egan
>From: egan@blkbox (Doug Egan)
>Subject: Chain of Command, Part I (comment)
>Organization: CVR
>Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:46:29 GMT
>Message-ID: <1992Dec20.044629.9170@blkbox>
>Keywords: TNG
>Lines: 10
>
>	I'll lay odds that the new captain of the Enterprise is a
>     Cortasian (sp) spy!!!
>
>Doug
>-- 
>Doug Egan    CompuVision Research                                         
>Internet:    egan@blkbox.com                                              
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>--------------------------------------------------------------------------  

You may have something here
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:14:32 GMT

In <ewright.724461900@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1992Dec13.100634.25440@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>>	Perhaps Riker WOULD make a good captain, but let's
>>consider this:  the Enterprise is often being referred to as
>>the "flagship of the Federation" (whatever THAT is), and is
>>certainly Starfleet's most powerful vessel.  Regardless of how
>>good ANY first officer is, would he really be given the
>>Enterprise as his FIRST command.  I doubt it.

>Perhaps your memory is failing you, then.  Riker *was* given
>command of the Enterprise, in Best of Both Worlds.  Not "temporary
>command," either -- no one expected to get Picard back at that point.

Wasn't he given a FIELD promotion to captain?  That implies to me (especially
since he went back to being a Commander after Picard returned) that the rank
and position were both INTENDED to be temporary, until the end of the
then-crisis, due to the lack of time or resources to put someone more
qualified in the center seat of the Enterprise.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Coming soon to a Massachusetts near you! )

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
 kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
 next 55 minutes about what to do.  My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
 is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
 love with a beautiful alien babe, which Spock calls illogical, and where a
 bunch of security guys die.  You know the one?"
							- A friend
From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:24:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <1992Dec20.130609.1123@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
>In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> <MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>I am sorry if there is a better place to find out this info, but I
>>am fairly new to the net, and I didn't see anyhting in the FAQ lists
>>in here or in rec.arts.startrek.info.
>>
>>Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
>>
>>A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
>>voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
>>it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
>
>I have also heard the same thing your friends is claiming, Roddenberry's wife
>played nurse Chapel in TOS, and is the computer voice in TNG. 


I just thought, isn't she the same actress that played No 1 in the first pilot
.    

Helene
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From: brewster@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Urgent-Read before Swan Song.
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:57:57 GMT

I must offer my deepest appolagizes (sp?) to anyone who read Swan Song.  It
contains information which you might not want to see if you have not seen Chain
of Command Part I.  I did not realize that they aired these shows at different
times across the country.  I am smarter for the experience and it will not
happen again. Thanks for you understanding.  
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