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From: sjs@torque.bae.bellcore.com (Stephen Szymanski)
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
Keywords: shattered
Reply-To: ricks@berkeley.edu
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:00:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.160544.5750@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, brazeal@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (susan.k.brazeal) writes:
|> As I was driving home last night, I heard a loud pop, glimpsed a flash of
|> light in the rear view mirror and saw that the rear windshield had filled
|> with cracks, no more than a quarter inch apart.  As soon as I drove over
|> a bump large enough to bounce the car a little, the windshield began falling
|> out in pieces.
|> 
|> Car:  1989 Chevy Cavalier (warranty expired 7 months ago, of course)
|> 
|> Related info:  rear defogger had been on about 10 minutes.
|> 
|> Theory: something overheated and the defogger shorted out.
|> 
|> BUT THIS STILL SHOULDN'T CAUSE THE WINDSHIELD TO SHATTER!
|> 

This occurred to me a couple of years in a 85 T-Bird.  The rear
defroster lead was not properly attached (it had fallen off
and I short-cutted re-attaching it).  I turned on the rear
grid and about 5 minutes later, the whole window shattered.
Luckily I have removed glass before, so I was able to install
a used rear glass myself.

I am not sure, however rather than terminating the current on
the body where the other lead ends up, it seems that it terminated
on the glass, hence the shattering.

Steve
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Tempo + SHO engine = ?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:07 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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Ford Tempo + SHO engine = semiguided missile.  I've never driven 
the Tempo with the sport suspension (GLS?) that was recently 
discontinued, but I've driven a lot of Tempos.  They tend to be 
budget family transportation modules, decent but with no sporting
pretensions whatsoever.  They uniformly gave me the impression that
the steering wheel was connected to the road with a big rubber band,
which typifies cheap front-wheel-drives of the last generation.  One
would hope that a Tempo with serious power would have some suspension
and brake upgrades to go with it -- any word on that?

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:07:34 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <184194@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com 
(Lon Stowell) writes:
>  No, there's no repeal of the laws of physics in an alternator
>    either.   Current output goes up with rpm...after all work out 
>    is related to work in.  
> 
>    The output current increases until the voltage regulator kicks in
>    and then stays pretty constant.  Some have multi-stage regulators
>    to help produce high current at low rpm....as driving at night
>    with the A/C, radio, and lights on can easily discharge a battery
>    if this isn't done.  (And if that low-rpm stage fails, as it did
>    on one of my cars, your battery DOES go flat in town...)

What was decided off-line was that the alternator has excess power
to offer, and so when at low RPM generally is still putting out 
sufficient power.  Therefore, I imagine (don't know for sure) that
with an underdrive pulley set, the alternator output is still 
sufficient for automotive uses.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Need Advice (URGENTLY) !!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:11:20 GMT

In article <CARL.92Nov5132741@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>
>>will become Ford.  Jag has a well deserved reputation for poor quality.
>>Ford is trying to change that.  (while maintaing the Jag classy styling)
>
>I haven't had a laugh as good as this one in quite some time.  Ford,
>trying to teach another company how to improve quality....
>HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH
>
>(Sorry, I just couldn't resist).
>
>-Carl-
>--

yea, i bought a new *quality is job1* escort gt in 1986 and went thru:
3 egr valves
1 exhaust
mass/airflow meter
stater
rack
starter
battery
inner and outer tie-rod ends
struts
timing belt
head gasket
spark-plug wires
3 headlite bulbs
3 brakelite bulbs
hatchback lift struts
in just 21 months of ownership(47k miles)
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How To Drive the RIGHT way!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 04:48:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:

[rules deleted]
>any size, and you approach a car going slower than yourself, move left to
>pass, and then as soon as your front bumper is just even with the back of their
>door(s), FOR GODS SAKE SLOW DOWN TO EXACTLY THE SPEED OF THE CAR YOU WERE PAS-
>SING!!!  Sit out there, right where the guy you're passing can't really see
>you, for a minute or longer, or at least until you think he's forgotten you.
>Now continue to wait.  Before long, the driver on your right will do something
>rude, namely speed up or slow down.  He's trying to lose you!  So adjust your
>speed accordingly to stay right in his blind spot some more.  Now, after about
>ten minutes of speed matching, zoom forward, preferably with extended digit,
>and pull in front of that rude person you just passed.  Slow down ten miles per
>hour or more.
>
>Sometimes I wish my car had an on-board howitzer.....

picture it..blonde "bitch"(sorry to be sterotypical..but she DID look like one)
in her convertible bimmer 3XXX...pulls onto the interstate(3lanes)..me..in 
center...she pulls directly into the center lane(it was raining, BTW)....and 
immediately slows down to 10 mph slower than i..mind you ..no cars in
either of the other two lanes..i pulled over to let her in...and so..i pull 
over agian into the fast lane(even worse than the other two for driving in the
rain, but i needed around!)..she immediately followed the above rule....only
on my right..wich was REALLY annoying, cuz that lane held water badly..so i
didn't want to sit in it...so..after about three miles of playing the 70-60 
game to try and get her to pass or fall behind....i just let her catch up to 
her happy on my ass side state..promptly nailed the brakes, let her go by, 
tossed it into the far right, dropped it into 3rd, and lost her by going by
at abt 80 on the right, while i actually saw her looking for me on the left!
(yeah.. know..not the sanest thing to do in the rain..but she was realy gettin
to me!..it was so funny to see her whip her head around to see where i went..
and then ...aww..it was FUNNY!).
DREW
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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:47:45 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1doismINNdvh@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>Why would the Suzuki Samauri, something CU trashed have an excellent
>>reliability rating.
>
>CU trashed them as being unstable, not unreliable.  I was rather
>surprised they did this since they never mentioned that all of the
>open-air jeeps are likewise unstable.  That was when I decided CU
>really wasn't impartial.

I remember reading that issue.  Apparently, the Samurai flipped over as
the test driver was bringing it out to their test track, something that
(while not a controlled experiment) had never happened before.  That
singled it out for further testing.  I remember that they did follow-up
with similar tests for the other models they examined, but none of them
did quite as badly as the Samurai.  Like the Pinto, the Samurai got the
reputation, and there's probably nothing anyone can do to remove it,
short of redesigning its sheetmetal and rebadging it.


>>As far as I can tell you at least grant that CU can provide a
>>general guide as to ow well a car will do. I have never said
>>it was perfect. But, if for example, the plymouth acclaim
>>had black for it's transmission for the last 5 years. Would you
>>even be concerned about it? 
>
>Certainly.  It's the "general reliability" question that I feel is
>subject to societal influence.

...which is why this index should not be used to justify sweeping
generalizations like "Japanese cars are superior to American cars".
The citation of this piece of "evidence" prompted the earlier thread,
from which this theory arose.
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
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From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Analog Brake Light
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:58:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <4467@news.chips.com>, by deanf@chips.com (Dean Frazier):
> Has anyone seen or heard of a brake light system that indicates the degree
> of deceleration of the vehicle?   Maybe a different number of lights, or
> increasing light intensity, or flashing lights, etc.

A device along these lines was devised by a guy in Arizona ten, or so, 
years ago and Yellow Cab put it on all their cars in San Francisco.  It
was a higher than normal intensity yellow light that ranged from solid,
through low to high blink rates to indicate how hard the brakes were
applied.  IT WAS A DANGEROUS ABOMINATION!

The device had the basic effect of riviting the attention of most
following drivers on the car with the brake blinker.  This produced an
increase in the frequency of rear-end accidents in San Francisco.  Sober
drivers tended to stare at the blinker in another lane a drive into the
car in front of them.  Drunks tended to lock onto the car with the
blinker and drive into it.
> 
> It sure would be nice to have such a device during rush-hour traffic!

Only if you enjoy collisions!
> 
> If you've heard of anything like this please e-mail me (or post if you
> think others would be interested...)

Sure.  Drop it!  It's been tried and it was really stupid.

Chris Prael
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona?????
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.133324.15478@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>$sawchukjr@brandonu.ca writes:
>
>>I am thinking of purchasing a brand new car.  I have narrowed it
>>down to either a '92 Chevy Camaro or a '92 Dodge Iroc Daytona.
>>The Iroc Daytona I am looking at only has the 3.0 L V6.
>>As for the Camaro, it would either have a 305 ci V8 or a 3.1 L V6.
>>I think a V6 in a big Camaro would be pretty poor on power, yet
>>good on gas.
>>Anyway, I would like your opinions as to which car would be better,
>>and more importantly, which one would have a higher resale value in
>>about 3 years.  Please E-mail any responses.  It would be greatly
>>appreciated.  Thanks!!!
>
>>Jason
>
>  That depends on you.  Here in New England, the Daytona is simply an all
>  around better vehicle.  Better fuel economy, better traction in bad
>  conditions (even with performance tires), comparable if not better
>  performance than the V6 Camaro, by far better quality control and paint,
>  better warranty, better safety features (at least the last time I looked,
>  the Camaro still had the suicide seat belts that attach to the door, the
       ^^^^^^                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Daytona has conventional belts and an air bag), anti-lock brakes
>  available on the Daytona, Daytona has a larger cargo area (with the rear
>  seats folded down), Daytona will likely have a better insurance
>  rating and not be on the "frequently stolen" list, and most importantly,
>  you won't be viewed as just another follow-the-crowd-Camaro-owner.
>
>  So, if the roads are always dry, gas is cheap, insurance is cheap, crime
>  is low, you don't wear your seatbelt, and you like to be "just another
>  face in the crowd", the Camaro is the obvious choice.
>
>  But then again, I'm biased... :-)

  And you obviously havent been in a Camaro in the last 5 years.  They've
had airbags since what, '89?  And the last time I looked, the belts
were not in the doors.

  Perhaps you were thinking of the Lumina/Grand Prix?

>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

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From: cwhsu@syl.dl.nec.com (James Hsu (214)518-3584)
Subject: Turning: rear-wheel drive vs. front-wheel drive cars
Organization: NEC Systems Lab., C&C Software Technology Center (Dallas, TX)
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:12:06 GMT

I am posting this for a friend.  Please respond directly to him.  Thank
you.

=========================================================================
In rear-wheel drive cars, if a corner is entered too fast, I am
told that the smart thing to do is to maintain the throttle and
use it to steer the car around a corner.  I may be completely
out to lunch on this, but I figure it is because if one brakes,
and the  rear of the car is at the traction limit, the sudden
transfer of weight forward will cause the rear end to break loose.
By keeping the throttle down, the transfer of weight does not occur
and if the rear end does break loose, there is still a velocity 
vector which keeps the car pointed to the center of the turn. I think
this is called throttle steering. 

Now if the car is a front wheel drive car, how does this work or 
can you even attempt this.  In a rear drive car, atleast the turning 
wheels and the driving wheels are separate.  In a front drive car
all forces act on the front.  Seems to me that at the conering at the
limit could cause problems.

Any one out there care to shed some light on this situation ?

A. Biman
biman@eleceng.ee.queensu.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney)
Subject: Responses on Buying vs Leasing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:57:30 GMT

Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions on buying vs leasing a car.
The consensus seemed to be that is was better to buy a car. The reasons seemed
to be that leasing puts restrictions on how much you can drive without being
penalized at the end of the lease. Also at the end of the lease you usually
have to pay higher than market value for the car to keep it (or walk away
losing your equity). The major benefit seemed to be that you pay less up front
and generally less per month than with a loan. This tends to let you have a
car from a higher price range than you would have been able to get through a
loan. Or as one person said "leasing lets you get a car you really can't afford
to have". I think I'll buy.

Thanks again

Jim Feeney
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FALCON GT
From: pzh@myna.dsto.gov.au (Paul Heuer)
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:21:56 CST

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>In article <Bx7G4J.4JB@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>In article <3360194@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni) writes:

<< lots of stuff was here...>>

The Ford Falcon is still made here in Oz. These days it's __VERY__ similar in
style to the English Ford Granada though it runs an Aussie designed 4.0 litre
six or a US 5.0 V8.

The US motor is lifted out of the Mustang (I think), ant the GT is to run the
High Output Mustang donk. There is also a GTHO version due out in very small
quantities. This was developed by Tickford in England and is damn quick.
You have to laugh though, an Australian car with an American motor that is
tweaked by a Pommie performance company. Put in a German ABS, Pirrelli tyres,
etc and you've got a 'World Car' again!

Cheers,

Paul Heuer. (pzh@aeg.dsto.gov.au)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Car&Driver LIDAR Detector Test
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:52:17 GMT

hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:


> The new issue of Car&Driver has a test of LIDAR detectors.

> The Bell bested both the Cobra and Escort models.

> From reading the article, lidar is suppose to be something
> to be feared.  Low to No reaction time, limited detectability,
> limited scatter detection.  The time reading with one model
> is instantaneous, the beam is only 4.5 feet wide at 1000 feet,
> and the lidar detector's detection width is less than 110
> degrees.

> The cop interviewed brags that he gets 80 speeders in 3 hours.
> Though the lidar gun has multi-mile detection range, he usually
> waits until the target vehicle is less than 700 feet.  Under
> these conditions, the lidar detector is only good for telling
> you that you just got caught.

> Shucks, and we were just getting geared up for Ka Wideband.

We obviously need active counter measures here, passive is just not going
to cut it.  Has anyonme seen active LIDAR counter-measure units yet?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Is GM going bankrupt ???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:51:40 GMT

>>I am curious to know if a rumor the GM is going bankrupt is true 
>>or not?  I live in Indiana where GM is a very big employer.  I am 
>>curious to know because if GM is going to go under, it could have 
>>a devistating effect on the state's economy.
>>Any insights greatly appreciated,
>

	If GM goes out of business, that's all she wrote for the US.  The 
government might as well go out of business.  Anyway, the government bailed
out Chrysler, and I see no reason why it would not do the same if times were
that bad.  As for now, It WILL NOT HAPPEN.  Don't worry.
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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona??
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:01:33 GMT



WRT = With Respect To.

Torque Monger

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:02:51 GMT

In article <1dn1s8INN6t5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) says:
>
>>Ok, I prefer a stick over an auto ANYDAY!  They are flat out more fun to 
>>drive... HOWEVER...
>>
>>autos should be used by ..
>>
>>A> "new" drivers.  Learning the road with an auto can make one a bit more at 
>>ease.. as its one less thing you must do.  Later like a year or so down the 
>>road.. learn stick..
>
>WRONG!!...that is what drivers ed is for..this is why they should be taught
>in sticks...after you learn to do it all in a stick..the autos are a piece
>of cake!...going auto to stick is quite a traumatizing experience..much more
>so than going stick to auto.

    here we go again !  Ok.  How would you like to be driving along and have 
a drivers ed car suddenly swerve into your lane because the driver, first 
time on the road, is too busy trying to find the next gear instead of 
watching where he/she is on the road !!!
    Learn your basic driving skills on an auto and then switch to a manual 
if you so choose.  It is much safer for all concerned ( everyone on the 
road ) this way.

>
>>B> Old folks.  Less reflexs, more movement, perhaps hip problems...
>
>agree..but only on THEIR choice.
>
>>C> People who are in traffic most of the time.
>same as B>
>>D> People who just dont ENJOY driving, or having TOTAL control over thier 
>>car.
>debatable, as we have seen...i agree..also at their choice..
>
>DREW  

    You keep saying " It's Their Choice ",  so don't condem people if their 
choice is to not learn a stick.  If it limits their choice of cars etc. that 
is their problem.  It's never to late to learn if some day in the future 
they change their minds.

- Trevor
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From: sinclair65@desci (John T. Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: buyinng a used BMW 325
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:12:49 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: desci


I am graduating from school in May and decided to start doing homework
on cars now. I am very picky when it comes to cars, and must have a good
one. Hopefully I will be able to afford one. I am thinking about buying
a late 80's 325i. Does anybody have any info on these cars? Stuff I should
avoid, etc. Also, since I am looking for cars between $13,000 and $17,000
Does anybody have any suggestions? I like the new corrado, but it might be
a little pricy. The new probe is a possibility, but I am very hesitant to go
american, (I realize the probe might as well be japanese though). Any help
would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Jack Sinclair
University of Pennsylvania