HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Health Care Reform info needed
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:34:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

Heard on the news yesterday that Clinton is requesting ideas on how to reform
health care. He gave a 1-800 number and an address to send ideas to. Does
anyone have this info?

And while I'm on the subject, anyone have any ideas?

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,rec.arts.tv,misc.wanted,misc.misc
From: wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: *** URGENT: need copies of inaugural events.. PLEASE ***
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:04:25 GMT

Dear Netters:

I am seeking copies of any and all of inagural night celebrations.

I set my vcr to record and it failed to do so (damned VCR plus got knocked over
by my cats :-(.)

If anyone taped any of it, or all of it (especially, but not limited
to,  the ones where Bill played sax) I would be very grateful for VHS
copies.  

I will either send you a blank tape(s) and postage, if you  have the
facilities to copy, or I will gladly copy your original (if you want
to trust me with it) and pay for postage and handling both ways.  I
will even throw in a hi-grade blank for your trouble, or equivalent
cash.

If you live near Chicago, I will pick it up.

I am very anxious to have as much of this as I can get my hands on.  I
am very sad to have missed it, but I was working and only saw snippets
on the news.

Please send me e-mail as to what you have on tape and how you would
like to work the transfer.  I am open to discussion on terms.

Please respond.

Bill
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From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:00:36 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <athos-200193213059@kip2-10.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.204342.3121@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, Dr. Norman J. LaFave
><lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Jeeeeez!!!!! Clinton hasn't been president for two hours and you want
>> a plan presented to the hill???? ...
>
>But didn't he PROMISE to have a plan on day one to present to the Congress?

No, he didn't, unless you are decimally challenged.  He promised to do his
best to have a medical insurance reform bill to present to Congress within
100 days of his inauguration.  That's ONE HUNDRED, not one.  That's "do his
best ... to present", not "present".  What you or the unspeakable Limbaurgher
promise those of the American people who are stupid enough to believe you or
him has nothing to do with anything Clinton ever said, is saying, or will
say.

If you weren't too busy inventing promises to accuse other people of breaking
you'd have the time to find out what Clinton has already done in office.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244     ----------------------------+
|  There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.     |
|					   --     Mark Twain		      |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: johnch@test22.sun.com (Slam the Crank from Wheezer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.president.clinton,soc.men
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:29:48
Organization: Impossible Missions Force
	<1993Jan7.183239.12755@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
	<1993Jan8.224133.2217@cis.ohio-state.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: test22
In-reply-to: csmith@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu's message of Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:41:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.224133.2217@cis.ohio-state.edu> csmith@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:

   From: csmith@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
   Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
   Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:41:33 GMT

   In article <1993Jan7.183239.12755@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
   >In article <C0GMz8.4AA@ns1.nodak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
   >>campaign workers don't get paid, she took along her boyfriend (who's been
   >                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^
   >>accused of sexual harassment), who was being paid $15,000 a month as her
   > *******^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   >Key word.

   Absolutely correct! "Accused" the the key word. Clarence Thomas was only
   "accused" of sexual harassment, yet we have been barraged with this
   accusation as if it were FACT for over a year. 

And, by others, denied as if it were sheer fantasy.

And as a result, the guy takes no heat for his incredible statement
that he never had an opinion on Roe v. Wade, which he himself said was
one of the most important Supreme Court decisions handed down during
his life.  Come on -- is he lying or unqualified?

-- John C
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From: ryanr@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Richard Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Chelsea, Schools, PLUS: slander? Limbaugh? Re: The New Education President
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:59:57 GMT
	<1993Jan08.180337.17400@watson.ibm.com>
	<JOHNCH.93Jan21170128@test22.sun.com>
Organization: College of Natural Sciences, Colorado State University

Hi,

Does anyone have an E-mail address for Rush Limbaugh that they could send
me?

Thanks, Richard.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: bayram@willis.cis.uab.edu (Zeki Bayram)
Subject: Read this if you are straight!
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:02:49 GMT

In article <C1Htn6.7KH@agora.rain.com> taurus@agora.rain.com (Scott Burch) writes:

>Gay people are forced to watch straight sex on TV constantly, what if 
>straight people were forced to watch gay sex.  Not to say that you have to 
>watch that show.  But, if I want to go see a movie, we must suffer through
>a sex scene that is very offensive to us.  Almost all movies and TV shows
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>have at least one.
>
>			  Scott
>

Isn't it a pitty that you were born into this world through such offensive 
and despicable acts of your parents? Wouldn't it be great if both your
parents could somehow be gay males?

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:38:04 CST


In article <1jmdkhINNqjf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
> In a previous article, matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris) says:
> 
> >Approval seems to be around 67% at present. Glad you couldn't wait to
> >hear.
> 
>       Yes, the polls say this.  This is the saddest part of the whole
>    thing.  Here we have Russ calling for Clinton's nominee to resign,
>    Haiti, BIG goof-up on Saddam, etc.  
> 
>       I'm interested in seeing what the polls say...
> 
>       After Clinton backpedals on his promise that " 1 + 1 = 3 "

Just so their is no confusion (I assume your refering to me), I support
Clinton but think Zoe Baird should step down because her answers in the
confirmation hearings (generally) made me sick.  She knowingly violated
the law & now wants to be in charge of enforcing those same laws.
Clinton can find a better nominee (assuming, of course, that not all
lawyers are corrupt).

As for Clinton's alleged broken promises, it seems that most of the 
criticism is coming from those that opposed what he promised.  They 
criticized him when he made the promises, they criticise him now, and
they'll criticise him when he keeps his promises.

The public (generally) cares about the results.  "The economy, stupid."
If the economy keeps growing, unemployment goes down, Clinton will
be fine (and re-elected) regardless of his campaign promises.  If the
economy sucks, people won't care if Clinton keeps all his promises.

Anyone notice the bond rally?  Yields on 30-year bonds are down to 7.3%.
That says that the market believes that inflation will remain low and
are willing to back that belief with their money.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:08:06 GMT

In article <athos-210193174745@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.192342.29373@pwcs.stpaul.gov>, chrisl@stpaul.gov
>(Chris A Lyman) wrote:
>> Finally, remember how long it took for the Bush Administration to
>> acknowledge that there is a recession.
>
>Definition of recession: 2 quarters of downturn.  In Bush's presidency,
>there were *only* 2 quarters of downturn.  The rest were <gasp> growth. 
>Sorry.

Actually, the definition of a recession is a bit more complicated than
that.  If it were that simple, NBER would have said, "We're in a
recession," within a couple of months of it happening.  In any case,
there were about 9 months of recession, followed by a week recovery.
The timing of the recession was such that Bush didn't acknowledge
there was a downturn until, oh, after it was over.

Further, there may be real growth, but the economy is not at full
employment (unless somehow full employment for the US economy suddenly
became around 7.5% from 6%).




--
<Phone rings> "Hello?...  He did what?...  Bomb 'em....  I'm still
President."
			-- Dana Carvey's George Bush, 1/16 SNL
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,misc.education
From: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A small wager for Mulac (was: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE...)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:46:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) says:

>In <1jkblvINNg2q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu sez:
>>
>>                           PREDICTION
>>
>>In one year an attempt will be made to hold a recall election for
>>the office of President of the United States.
>>
>>Richard Mulac
>
>
>I have 365 dollars here, and they all say you're a gutless blowhard
>who isn't willing to stake a bet on his words for the low, low price
>of a dollar a day.
>
>Terms: 
>
> ...
>
>3) "Attempt" means an actual national referendum, or even a vote by
>the full membership of both houses of Congress.  It does not include
>bug-eyed letters to the Editor of _National Review_ or _American
>Spectator_, nor floor speeches by Bob Dornan.

BZZZZT!  Sorry, but who says YOU get to define attempt.  I could 
satisfy it by merely posting an article calling for his recall.
But then again, maybe I'm just a gutless blowhard.  {:^)

-- 
Richard Mulac                                       ck347@cleveland.freenet.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       1996 election countdown - 1383 more days         | These pontifications 
 until the Democrats are thrown out of the White House  |      are my own!     
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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Those PESKY Deficit Numbers!
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:30:02 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

From The Wall Street Journal, Jan. 25:

"The federal budget deficit will reach $319 billion by the end of
President Clinton's term and will double in 10 years without tax
increases and spending cuts, according to new Congressional Budget
Office estimates. 

"The deficit estimate for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 1997 is
$29 billion larger than the CBO projected six months ago... 
THE NEW FIGURES UNDERCUT THE CLAIM by Mr. Clinton and his advisers
that the fiscal 1997 deficit is $50 billion to $60 billion more than
they anticipated during the campaign."    [emphasis added]

No word from the Clinton White House as yet.

------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ 

Paul Havemann   (Internet: paul@hsh.com)

   * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *
         ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:34:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
$m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
$>Wrong.
$>
$>FIRST 100-DAYS ECONOMIC PLAN:
Quote from:
$>Clinton in interview on ABC's "Good Morning America", June 23, 1992
deleted.

$	 This was before we found out that Bush had mis-lead
$the American people, which was normal for him, concerning the
$size of the national debt. 

$	This is really funny, watching you hard core
$conservatives go through "abussive power" withdrawal. Just
$think FOUR YEARS.....

I already included a quote from Oct 11 1992 in a previous post, as well
as my .signature file. It's just as wonderful to see you Clinton
supporters reason why Clinton says he can't do ANYTHING about the debt
because of the adjusted figures, even though 90B $ is relatively loose
change with respect to the current national debt which is in the
trillions in magnitude. He won't even implement his plan to cut the
budget deficit (using the old figures) in half (even if it isn't exactly
50% via the new figures).

So far, Clinton hasn't yet abused his power, but we'll see how much
Clinton will mislead you in four years.

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	BSE in BME in 1993
"You just can't promise something like that just to get elected if you
 know there's a good chance that circumstances may overtake you."
	- Bill Clinton, East Lansing MI debate, Mon Oct 19 1992
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From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Administration of the elite!
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:21:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Not that it has any real meaning other than symbolism, but I heard on
the radio this morning as I drove to work that it's official; The
Clinton administration contains more millionaires than any other 
administration in history.

I would have heard te exact numbers they reported but I was to busy 
laughing and trying to stay on the road.

PSG
-- 
Looking at the condition and politics of the public
school systems and Hollywood in the 90's, it seems in
retrospect that the only mistakes Joseph McCarthy made
were; not uncovering the right people and not finishing the job.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,misc.education,talk.politics.misc,sci.edu
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Why can't the liberals just admit that public education has failed?
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:49:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.112126.2519@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

			.......................

>> 	Which is why people say "money isn't the solution".
>> 	In a way, they are right.  Throw open the field to anyone (not just
>> those who have plodded through the certification process) and you'll get more
>> qualified people.  The level of teaching in all schools will improve and we'll
>> see kids with better educations.

>Oh, I see...do you mean hire non-teachers, such as business people for example,
>to teach math or business, and so on?  I have heard of that theory....there is
>a certain skill/art to *teaching* that non-teachers sometimes lack.  For
>example, *talking to someone* doesn't mean that they're learning anything. 
>That theory may be OK in the college level, where lecture is more standard, and
>practical knowledge very useful.  I think K-8 need to have some teaching
>theory/practicum.

Or is it that the schools of education train their students to "teach" in
such a way as to be, in some cases, worse than useless?  I do not think that
straight  lecturing for a period is a good way to present material.  This
would apply also to seeing a film or a TV presentation; the principle is
the same.  

But the educationists strongly push memorization and "learning how to do
practical problems", which means learning algorithms.  They do not consider
as being important learning structure, different children learning at 
different rates, and even in different manners, as particularly important.
On the other hand, they consider being with the age group as important.

So maybe we would be better off in considering the current teaching method
credentials a reason not to hire, rather than a requirement?
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
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From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,misc.education
Subject: Re: Why can't the liberals just admit that public education has failed?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:05:11 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:

>>Is this a good thing?  No.  But my point was that the average suburban
>>public school *offers* the same chance for a good education that the
>>average private school does.  It doesn't ram it down your throat, but it
>>offers it.  

>Well, they do "offer" some snippets of education, but they do everything they
>can to keep it "locked away in a safe" away from the students.  To say that
>they don't ram it down your throat is an understatement.

I have a literal example of this.  I'm reading a book right now, called
"36 Children".  It's actually an education classic, about a teacher's experience
with his class in Harlem, and a demonstration that the problems of the inner-city
schools are not so much with the students as with the system.  The book is often
read in education courses and a number of friends of mine read it when they were
in school.  I've met the author, Herbert Kohl - his son and daughter-in-law are
good friends of mine.  He lives now on an idyllic piece of land in PointArena, in
northern California, where he teaches, writes, and sometimes conducts
conferences, workshops, etc.

Well, enough background; here's the example.  At one point in the school year, in
fact fairly early in the year, some of the students in the class had expressed an
interest in chemistry.  Kohl asked the Assistant Principal if the school had any
such materials which could be used, and was told that they didn't.  The students
knew better, however, and quickly and quietly retrieved the chemistry set from
the closet in which it was kept locked away, never used.  The principal was a
little more helpful than the assistant principal, when Kohl questioned him about
the matter.  He gave him a key to the closet, and permission to get anything he
wanted from it whenever he wanted.  He did ask Kohl if he really thought the
students would be able to get anything out of it.  Needless to say, they did.

   - Dave Borden
     borden@m5.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,misc.education,talk.politics.misc,sci.edu
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Subject: Re: Why can't the liberals just admit that public education has failed?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 04:34:09 GMT

susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman) writes:

>In article <1993Jan19.125900.2492@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>grade after grade, seen the same homework packet come home child after
>child, and still don't see homework graded often if ever.  And hours are
>8-4, good luck finding many of these people as late as 3:45.  And I also
>think that tenure is worth something.  I certainly don't have that kind
>of security.

>This is not true for all teachers, my kids have had exceptional people
>who should be rewarded for their work and dedication, but it's not the
>majority of the ones I've seen.

I agreee, there a many DAMN good teachers out there. Who would want to
put up with what they do if they were not personally into teaching ?

After 3:45 ? For me I can find them, if it is a game night, no problem.
Only one academic teacher can be found for the kid I was helping. She
was the math teacher, she will not last long.

Can I blame the teachers, NO, They are doing what they were 'hired' to
do.

Am I bitter ? Yes.

Sorry but this is a hot topic for me.

-pete
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: NO! President Bill, 72% of Americans are NOT lawyers!
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<ATAYLOR.93Jan20134251@gauss.nmsu.edu>
	<1993Jan21.162630.18361@kadsma.kodak.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:50:31 GMT

<In article <1993Jan21.162630.18361@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
<In article <ATAYLOR.93Jan20134251@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
<>
<>	So, either Clinton promised the impossible (sorta like lying),
<>	or is a fool; take your choice.

<Right, Nosy, I get it. Everyone's a fool except you.

	Tsk, tsk. If this is how Pajerek reacts when it is shown
	that Clintoon has broken just one of the smaller promises,
	he's in for a most unhealthful 4 years.

	Just think what will happen when Pajerek finally figures
	out that the deficit won't be cut in half by 1996, for
	example.....
	
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