HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.c
Subject: The foreign prince left without even his clothes
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

ulture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history

Quoting Mutlu (and catching him in a lie again)
HM>>>Even more humiliating was the fact that because of their inability
HM>>>to form a stable government they had had to recruit a foreign prince
HM>>>(Otto of Bavaria) to rule their country - a ruler who, in turn, had
MP>> First, we did not recruit the jerk, the European powers thought that
MP>>they could make a little colony out of Greece, and shipped us this 19th
MP>>century equivalent of Danny Quayle. He held power for a few years, then

HA>You might not be intentionally lying, but intuition tells me that
HA>you reached the same conclusions I did. Thus, your theories and
HA>myths about 'Greek democracy' don't stand up to the realities on
HA>the ground.

   What?????????????????????????????????????????????????
   Your 'Intuition'? I could not reach the same conclusion as you if
   they asked me what day of the week it is!

MP>> I've heard of this German racist pseudo-scientist before. My
MP>>grandmothers village, Arna Lakonias, has prominent place in his writings
MP>>as a 'study' of his theories.
HA>Excuses, excuses,...Sorry, but your argument falls flat on its face.

   Who's making excuses? (except you,that is). I am just stating the fact.
   You are using a piece of German racist propaganda as your guide.

Michael.

---
 . SLMR 2.1a . Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: to Kocabas on "The Qur'an and The Bi
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:46:00 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <73756.229925863@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:

>Allah is my witness that neither Allah nor his Prophet said  
>such a thing:  
>  
>> whatever Allah SWA revealed to Moses (pbuh) as Torah  
>> and to Jesus (pbuh) as Injil did not remained same.   
>  
>These are your words...bring your book Man!  


As far as I know, Holy Qur'an speaks of Injil as being revealed
to Jesus (pbuh).  However, what Christian fellows have is
'Gospels according to John, Math., Luke,' and one more that I cannot
remember, but certainly not Jesus(pbuh).  Therefore I can not see
how you can think that Bible which consists of Old Testament and New
Testament is original Injil?  Or may be I understood it wrong.

As there is no difference of opinion among even Christian scholars
that none of these is 'The Gospel of Jesus' which may mean Injil.
If someone said that I have 'The Gospel acc. to Jesus', even then
I would think that this is written by someone else, and I would question
its authenticity.  Therefore it is hard to think that those four canonical 
Gospels are really OF the person that they are referred since they have this
'acc. to' added to them.

please set me right if I am wrong,

 peace

hamid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Bill Of 'Rotens: ' Rotten Wood Cannot Be Carved.
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 09:16:49 GMT

In article <m0mLhmi-000MSVC@ddsw1.mcs.com> hbm@ddsw1.mcs.com 
(Hasan B. [Bullshit] Mutlu) writes:

>roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
><ROTEN.92Aug18132743@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov>

>>Opening scene: Half a dozen fantical Armenian terrorists are plotting 
>>strategy late at night, around a table on which stands a guttering candle.  

>Does this change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, Armenian
>Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide
>of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national
>origin?

Hasan, old buddy, logic and history alone are enough to inform me that 
there are, and have been, a hell of a lot of really *sharp* Turkish 
folks.  Unfortunately, you are not one of them.  

I am, in a perverse way, kind of proud that you took my joke post so 
seriously that you hung one of your diatribes off of it.  

But I _do_ so much look forward to the day when folks who are interested 
in history can discuss it in soc.history without your b*llsh*t 
interfering in the process.  

May that day come soon !!  

--
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From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Subject: Re: You are a liar Armenian Terrorist Apologist Davidian!!!(Part 1)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.143541.2662@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>
>Of course that time was August of 1990. Time has a deteriorating effect when
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is this what you call:

	>A series of emails I received from (Ahmet Cosar) cosar@
	>tera.cs.umn.edu prompted the posting of this series.

Aren't you a bit off history Davutcuk? I knew that you are a little weakling
on Math(1.3Million-1.Million = 1.5 Million Modulo Armenian-liars), but
please try to update your oldies before reposting, will you?

Anyway, I will dig my own archives and begin reposting them.


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: 'Muslim Women And Children Are Being Openly Murdered.'
Date: 12 Aug 92 01:42:16 GMT





<1992Aug12.061916.10893@cs.mun.ca>
brian@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)

>Come on there Mutlu Only one quote?
>Am I that undeserving? <drip drip of sarcasim>

Too bad you don't have the advantages of modern technology and the 
scientific mind.

>THis is why people are pissed.

The theory is that the hollering kills the spirit of 'non-paquets.'

>Look at the quote from me.
>Look at the way you respond.

Here we go again. The issue at hand is the Armenian genocide of the
Turkish people. Sank in?

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 88," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer 
        No: 3, File No: 527, Section No: 732(2057), Contents No: 26-7.
        (To the Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - 9th Army Commander
        Sevki)

"For 4-5 months, Armenians in Erivan, Karabag and Nahcivan have been 
 committing all kinds of cruelties on the Moslem population. Particularly
 in Erivan and Karabag, the Armenians have annihilated the Moslem 
 population by massacres, plunders and by forcing them to leave. Up-to-date,
 thousands of Moslem families, have been forced to flee for their lives
 in starvation to the Kars region. Those who could not flee or migrate
 were annihilated. Files, documents and reports on this matter have been
 from time to time submitted to the Supreme Command.

 The Gang Leader named Antranik, who has directed the Armenian policy
 of cruelty and brutality, has so far shed the blood of hundreds of
 thousands of people. Also destroyed all the houses, still continuing
 the same destruction in Karabag."
          
Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: hbm@ddsw1.mcs.com (Hasan B. Mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Armenian Genocide Of 2.5 Million Muslims Between 1914 And 1920.
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:30:00 GMT



<16pdh4INNquu@agate.berkeley.edu>
hhrant@ocf.berkeley.edu (Helgge Minassian)

>Mutlu, what do you know about Vicken Shant?

I have the recipe for his 'minassian' barbecue sauce. Now where were we?
The Dashnaktsutiun revolutionary party had embarked into action without
losing time; it had initiated massacres even before a treaty was signed
between the Ottomans and the Russians. General Tovmas Nazarbekov 
(Nazarbekian), who was responsible for the Armenian massacres of the Muslims
between 1914 and 1917, was appointed commander to the Armenian army. This
army was established with the approval of General Przhevalsky, the Chief of
General Staff of the Russian Caucasian Armies, and was composed of three
brigades. The first brigade was placed under the command of bloodthirsty
adventurer General Dro (Drastamar Kanaian) who had massacred Muslims in
1914 and 1915; the second brigade was placed under the command of Colonel
Silikian, and the third one under the command of Antranik who had slaughtered
more than 600,000 Kurds between 1915 and 1916. These armies committed massacres
against the Muslims.[1]

[1] A. N. Kurat, "Turkiye ve Rusya, 1798-1919" (Ankara, 1975), p. 364-371. 

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Where Does 'Tam*'s Frustration Stem From? Nightmarish Threat.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:51:44 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BssD4n.150@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>I've told you to SHUT UP AND CLOSE YOUR BIG MOUTH. Can't you read?

>Wow. Nightmarish threat. But, I still fail to see how you can
>challenge the following source?

 Same applies to all of you who are using mutlu's accounts to post
 your crap.

 By the way, today a different asshole is answering me.  Yo, scum, what
 happened to yesterday's geek?  Its your turn eh?


---> Panos Tamamidis
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^ Attention !!!!!!!  Be aware of the following new viruses:            ^
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From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:25:12 GMT

In article <Aug.14.13.21.37.1992.11105@pilot.njin.net> you write:
>It depends on what you mean by 'opposite'. In a mathematical problem
>it's easy to define positive or negative.  Applying it to humans
>we have to consider it to be a point in n-dimensional behaviour
>space.
>In a simple example, a positive feedback is when we give praise to
>some action or reward it so that it continues or get magnified. IF we
>cheer being 'bad' it gets worse. Negative feedback could be anything
>from a mean look (to a child) to spanking or to censure, jail, etc.

I'm glad you pointed out that applying these concepts to humans
is difficult. The main reason is that you need to take into account
how they perceive your behavior. Spanking a kid who is trowing stones
can be a positive reinforcement if the kid is mainly looking for
attention.
This example is not out of place. There are terroristic actions 
that have no meaning but to bring international attention to a
particular problem.

>'Violence begets violence' is either a simplistic attitude or
>is confusing a more complex phenomena (learning) with something
>else. There's no more certain deterrent than the 100% guarantee
>of swift punishment. Every human society has been practicing
>this and as long the justice systems and the firepower behind
>them in the form of police forces remain, the system proves
>its validity.

violence begets violence may be simplistic, but so is your
statement that negative feedback is the ONLY way the solve
an international problem.
As to the justice system, I do not know of a clear negative 
correlation between the severity of the system and the number 
of crimes. Of course a justice system is necessary, but its
efficency depends much more on its fairness than on its guns.

>	mark	

ciao,  Marco
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: It's not funny anymore!
Date: 12 Aug 92 02:18:08 GMT





<86017@netnews.upenn.edu>
kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)

>Dear Mr Mutlu,
>Why are you flooding THIS PARTICULAR group with your postings? I can

The Turkish History  <-  'soc.history.'
The Turkish Genocide  <-  'soc.history.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sadun Anik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.ethnic-war.greeks-turks
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:26:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: lyra.ANIK.92Aug13162629
	<1992Aug12.023910.14531@ni.umd.edu> <Bsvw62.Byq@mtholyoke.edu>
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: lyra.crhc.uiuc.edu
In-reply-to: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu's message of 12 Aug 92 18:46:49 GMT


In article <Bsvw62.Byq@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:

>  I stronly encourage the participants of this widely cross-posted
>  thread to create the proposed group (see subject line), and take their
>  war there.

  Though irrelevant, you may want to know that creating a newsgroup in
the alt.* hierarchy doesn't require RFD. 

   Just out of curiosity, Why did the original message got posted to
news.sysadmin, soc.history, soc.culture.europe, and
talk.politics.mideast? I belive SCT and SCG would be enough, that 
is if you really need to post beyond SCT. 

I would suggest alt.soc.culture.turkish.crossposts.1
and alt.soc.culture.turkish.crossposts.2 so that anyone posting to SCT
can have the pleasure of posting to at least two other newsgroups
without hassle.


--
Sadun Anik, U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Center for Reliable and High-performance Computing
e-mail: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: armenian-kurdish relations
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:25:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Aug16.032527.1814
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Among those who advocate an indepenent Armenia including parts of present-day
Turkey and those who advocate an independent Kurdistan,including parts of
present day Turkey, what is the general relationship?

For example, Is there disputed territory in Eastern Turkey between these two
 groups, is the an established border, or is there a corridor or non-disputed
 territory between them? Is there disputed territory in Iran?

What is the position of various groups in the Kurdish leadership about a 
possible armenian vs. Azerbajani (and possibly Turkish) War other than my
enemies troubles are my joy etc.

Also,
As I remember my map, Turkey has 8 countries that border it on land:
Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbajan, Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

Please rate their political relationship with Turkey on a scale from 0 to 10
with 0 being very close to a war that most ethnic turks would support,
to 10 being a country that turkey would probably ally to the point
of sending troops if this coutry is attacked.

For example: IMHO
for the countries the USA "borders":
Canada: 10
Mexico: 7
Russia:	5
Cuba:	2

Randy Finder
naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
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From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Forger Viznyuk strikes in "talk.politics.soviet"
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:14:57 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <9208131658.AA11651@hpsdlo.sdd.hp.com> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>In article <9208130012.AA18576@zoro.cis.temple.edu> zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU
>(Zaphiris Christidis) writes:
>

The path of the forgery was:

>Path: news.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!paperboy.micro.umn.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mips!apple!ig!micro.cs.umn.edu!cosar
                                                ^^^^^^^^^
The server of U of MN is "news.cis.umn.edu" nothing can get to your dirty nest
at "ohio-state" without passing thru it, Viznyuk.

Are you the one forging those zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU articles, Viznyuk?


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   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________
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From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:48:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug12.220119.14110@src.umd.edu> tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:

> I agree totally with your statement.  Military terror is not going to
> stop the conflict for the long-term, and that's where we should be
> looking.  


First off, I agree that long term solutions should be sought. However,
your other statement is off. Military terror stopped the Nazis
and Mussolini's fascisti. In fact, military terror is the only
thing that stops military terror.


The reasons can be sought in Control Theory:

1) Positive feedback is neither necessary nor sufficient.
2) Negative feedback is both sufficient and necessary.

Which means that if you want to stop crime you have to provide
some negative feedback (which is necessary). And it certainly
would be nice it positive feedback could be employed alone but
it is not sufficient.

If you want to think about it for a while, think about why police
forces are necessary in every country and will always be
necessary. If it wasn't for all the negative feedback (i.e.
jails, sentencing, punishment, judges) and all the 'force'
that backs it up in the form of police and firearms, no
country would be able to exist in any form that resembles
what we associate with civilized society.

If world order is to be preserved or is in any way expected
to resemble what we might consider 'civil', force will be
necessary, and the UN should start acting like the
world's police because that's what they are.
-- 

	mark	


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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.ethnic-war
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:25:35 GMT






<ZN7JPB5w165w@willard.UUCP>
dawson@willard.UUCP

>Boards???  Ah, that's what happens when you let the unwashed masses into the
>Usenet.  Perhaps the problem really lies with allowing PCBoards to gate Usenet

Personally, I'd reserve judgement before accepting 'Pol*'s drivel as
true. 'Pol*' has been known to fabricate and lie when it serves his 
interests to do so. Besides, he is a historical revisionist and a 
genocide apologist.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Mr. Mutlu, what is your point?
Date: 23 Aug 1992 05:53:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <BtCKBq.ty@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>  When was the last time you visited your mental therapist?

 Isn't it really interesting that *you* are asking me such a
question? Now, Compare what I wrote to what you wrote before,
and see if you should ask the same question to yourself.

 Sa`di
-- 
Disclaimer: My opinions are only mine. They are not necessarily
shared by the other members of my nation, ethnic group and/or religion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Word matching at random  (was  Re: Turko-Sumerians
Keywords: language random probability algorithm communication coding speech
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:59:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Thanks for the compliments.

When I first started to look this problem, it looked really simple
but after a while I see it's more complicated. In fact, it's
not just complicated but seems to have some interesting properties.

My first attempt was along the lines of the Binomial. In fact
someone wrote to me and said that it was the Binomial. It's not
correct but for large n and small k it's not a bad approximation.

Your results are interesting too. I'm looking at yours and another
person's too see if I can get a short derivation with all of its
interesting properties.

I'll comment on your comments on the linguistics aspects later.
-- 

	mark	


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