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From: Janet_Tait@ucsdlibrary.ucsd.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Lisle and Lackey
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:56:49 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Someone please let me know if Holly Lisle's single-author books
>are any good.  This book hasn't inspired me to find out the hard
>way.

Although I agree with your assessment of Lackey's solo books vs. her
          co-authored books, Holly Lisle is actually a pretty decent
          writer. Her first novel, _Fire in the Mist_, is an above
          average fantasy that's doing surprisingly well on the
          _Locus_ bestseller list. The sequel, which I think is called
          _Bones of the Past_, should be out soon. I heard her read
          from it at Worldcon and was impressed.

          I do wish Lackey would quit doing these lackluster
          co-authored books and concentrate on her solo Diana Tregarde
          and Valdemar series. As a Darkover fan I dread what
          _Rediscovery_ will be like when it comes out in a few
          months, although her collaborations with more established
          authors seem a bit better than the ones with the junior
          authors. I certainly understand Lackey's desire to make a
          living, but her audience may desert her if her quality
          doesn't improve (then again, look at Piers Anthony...:)  )

          Janet Tait
          jtait@ucsd.edu
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: George RR Martin
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:44:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.144202@axion.bt.co.uk> jgraham@axion.bt.co.uk (John Graham) writes:
>- Can anyone describe the extent of his contribution to Wild Cards (yes I know
>he is, or was, editor) and 

Still primary editor and a writer in the mosaics and short story volumes.

>- What other fiction he has written since the mid-eighties

Quite a bit...unfortunately just about all of it has been either for Wild
Cards or television. Around the mid-80s he did an adaptation of Zelazny's
Last Defender of Camelot for Twilight Zone. The producers/writing staff
liked it enough that he got hired as a staff writer/story editor for the
show. After that got cancelled, he worked on Beauty and the Beast (the
tv show, not the Disney film). Lately he's been working on a prospective
series originally titled Doors, now tentatively titled Doorways, which
has had its pilot shot. The pilot will be released theatrically in
Europe, and there's as yet no word on whether it'll become a series or
not. Between the tv work (oh, and he and Melinda Snodgrass were writing
a Wild Cards movie script for Disney for a while at least) and Wild
Cards, he's not had time for solo written fiction, much to my own regret.
I mean, I like Wild Cards and his television work, but I've liked his
solo novels more.

tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:07:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.175614.2368@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Before embarking too enthusiastically on this topic, please read the FAQ.
>It may save you the trouble of repeating history.
>

	Heck,  I don't  read documentation: why should I read the
FAQ?

							James Nicoll

	Garlane:   the preceding was *sarcasm*.
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From: knott@sfu.ca (Dave Knott)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:35:27 GMT

> In article <1993Jan7.191415.9908@news.uiowa.edu>  
williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
> >It is sad.  I can actually remember being able to WAIT IN ANTICIPATION  
FOR THE
> >NEXT Philip K Dick to come out.  Can any claim now to be waiting for  
anything
> >that momentous?
> 

If William Gibson publishes anything again soon I will cream in my jeans.
I've heard about that electronic book that he wrote, but I don't think  
that counts, since it costs something like $500. God, what a stupid  
concept. Too bad you can't pirate that book somehow. Does anyone out there  
have a videotape of it, perhaps??


Dave Knott
KNOTT@SFU.CA
Organization: Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:41:07 -0500 
From: John Robert Leavitt <jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Author Polls: Anne McCaffrey

Welcome to the author polls.  This week's author is Anne McCaffrey.

INTRO to AUTHOR POLLS  (skip if you've participated before):

   Since no two readers can generally be expected to agree
   about the quality of a given author, an overall poll
   like that used in rec.arts.movies would be useless
   except as an incendiary.  However, there is often good
   agreement about which books by a given author are most
   worthy: thus this poll.

IF YOU MISSED AN EARLIER POLL and want to contribute, please
   feel free to DO SO.

BALLOT FORMAT  (read this once):

   You have four votes, one each at +3, +2, +1, and -1. You
   may vote for a work of any length, though you may wish
   to restrict yourself to the form in which the author was
   most prolific.

SAMPLE BALLOT (just a reminder):

   + 3 <vote for at most one work>
   + 2 <vote for at most one work>
   + 1 <vote for at most one work>
   - 1 <vote for at most one work>

SEND BALLOTS TO THIS ADDRESS (jl3j@andrew.cmu.edu).  If you prefer
multiple choice, you can obtain fairly complete bibliographies by
anonymous ftp from gandalf.rutgers.edu, in /pub/sfl/authorlists.

LAST WEEK'S RESULTS (abridged):

Michael Moorcock
----------------
The War Hound and the World's Pain   + 15
<Elric series>                       + 10
<History of the Runestaff series>    +  8
The Quest For Tanelorn               +  6
Stormbringer                         +  6
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The Distant Suns                     -  1
The Golden Barge                     -  1
Time of the Hawklords                -  1
Count Brass                          -  1
<Chronicles of Castle Brass>         -  1
Elric at the End of Time             -  2

PREVIOUS AUTHOR LISTS are available via Email from this address,
via anonymous ftp from any CMU CS machine (e.g., ftp.cs.cmu.edu
[128.2.206.173]), or through AFS in the directory:

         /afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/jrrl/public/authorpolls/

If accessing this directory through anonymous ftp, it is important to
"cd" to the directory using one operation, as some of the superior
directories on the path are protected from access by anonymous ftp.

PREVIOUS AUTHORS:
  Roger Zelazny
  Orson Scott Card
  Ursula K. Le Guin
  Larry Niven
  C.J. Cherryh
  Robert A. Heinlein
  David Brin
  Arthur C. Clarke
  Isaac Asimov
  John Brunner
  Frank Herbert
  Jack Vance
  Philip K. Dick
  Samuel R. Delany
  Greg Bear
  Robert Silverberg
  Philip Jose Farmer
  Poul Anderson
  Frederick Pohl
  Joe Haldeman
  Stanislaw Lem
  Cordwainer Smith
  Tanith Lee
  Gordon R. Dickson
  Walter Jon Williams
  Fritz Leiber
  Clifford D. Simak
  Harlan Ellison
  Gregory Benford
  Theodore Sturgeon
  George R. R. Martin
  Ray Bradbury
  Charles Sheffield
  Michael Moorcock
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The Gripping Hand
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <1993Jan9.220233.8139@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.173644.2941@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>The sentient pupeteers describe themselves as "male," refering to the
>>non-sentient hosts as "female," hence have egg-producing and sperm-
>>producing males (I'm not at all convinced by the biological liklihhood
>>of this, but never mind).  
>
>Not at all implausible. Remember, the Hindmost says that the "females"
>contribute nothing genetically to the offspring, and that "females"
>actually mate among themselves to produce other "females". This means
>that the "females" must be considered another species altogether. The
>sentient puppeteers implant an embryo in the "female", which grows
>there as a parasite. This is done by many species on earth (e.g. many
>wasps lay eggs in living animals, which act as a food source for the
>baby wasps). Perhaps the puppeteers just have a more refined version
>of this, where they lay implant the embryo in the "female"'s womb.
>
I got the impression that fertilization and implantation occurred at
the same time, and was questioning how distinct male eggs and sperm
would be.  I'm also not sure how much more advanced than parasitic 
wasps puppeteers are -- remember what a great sin casual sex is 
considered to be?  Perhaps this is because it somehow "wastes"
females....

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
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From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: Tubb/Dumarest
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 06:07:11 GMT

In article <1ilrchINNedv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
> 
> This series was recommended to me, but is it even in print?  Is it worth
> the trouble to track down Tubb's works?
> 
Mike,
  These are long out of print. The best source would be a used paperback book
store. It was reasonably good 'space opera' :-), I enjoued them.

   John Rice        K9IJ  
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com  

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From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Forever War and Starship Troopers (was: Heinlein - Politically correct?)
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:53:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.222712.1544@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan11.194413.18935@ll.mit.edu> nanis@ll.mit.edu (Jeff Nanis) writes:
|> >	Yes, but even "Forever War" isn't PC. Although it's still one of 
|> >my favorite books, it's never been the same for me since a female friend
|> >who had read it pointed out to me that the "mandatory promiscuity" orgy
|> >scene on Charon was essentially a gang rape. Shades of Tailhook, eh?
|> 
|> b.  It's an interesting question of just who was being raped.  Not all
|> of the men were willing and some of the women were enthusiastic.
 
 I don't recall it being said that the _men_ were required to participate.
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From: cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Chuck Stringer)
Subject: Re: Stationery & diaries (was 1992 in Review)
Organization: Indiana University, University Computing Services
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:17:39 GMT

dsy@psych.toronto.edu (Desiree Sy) writes:
| I wrote:
|  
| > I only use ink of a easy flowing light weight
| > (Waterman is excellent, but there are others which will do)
| 
| Luke Wagner asks:
| >Which others would you recommend? 
            <Stuff about smell and quality of ink deleted>

What does this have to do with SF? It would be more appropriate in
another group.

----
Chuck Stringer
E-mail cstringe@ucs.indiana.edu
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Subject: Re: Dave Duncan
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:21:37 GMT
Organization: School of Maths and Info Sciences, Massey University, NZ.

In article <TOMW.93Jan8193853@orac.asd.sgi.com> tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein) writes:
>Path: cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!fido!tomw
>From: tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein)
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
>Subject: Re: Dave Duncan
>Message-ID: <TOMW.93Jan8193853@orac.asd.sgi.com>
>Date: 9 Jan 93 03:38:53 GMT
>References: <9301062312.AA15967@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov> <TOMW.93Jan6184310@orac.asd.sgi.com>
>        <1993Jan8.153311.3357@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>
>Reply-To: tomw@asd.sgi.com
>Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
>Lines: 18
>NNTP-Posting-Host: orac.asd.sgi.com
>In-reply-to: you@where.ever.you.are's message of 8 Jan 93 15:33:11 GMT

>In article <1993Jan8.153311.3357@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, you@where.ever.you.are writes:
>> In article <TOMW.93Jan6184310@orac.asd.sgi.com> tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom
>> Weinstein) writes:

>>>I feel the same way.  I just finished _The_Cutting_Edge_, and I loved
>>>it.  At first reading, I didn't like the end of _Emperor_and_Clown_, but
>>>after reading TCE, I think I like it better.

>> Emperor and Clown??  Is that the next one?  Where did you get it??  WHY CAN'T
>> I FIND IT IN MY BOOKSTORE???!!!???  

>EaC is the fourth book in the first series.  TEC is the first book in
>the second series.  You should be able to find Eac.  It's been out for a
>while.

>--
>Love is a conveyor belt of   |   Tom Weinstein  tomw@orac.esd.sgi.com
>warmth  -- Jackie Chan       |                  tomw@bears.ucsb.edu
Hi
is this the same Dave Duncan that worte the Swordsman Books? ( I read the 
first 2 about a	year ago and can't really remember the title - some guy gets 
transported to another world to take the place of a seventh level swordsman )
 
Can anyone give me a list of all the books/series he has written?

Thanx

Brenden

B.C.Phillips@massey.ac.nz
Computer Consultant
School of Maths and Info Sciences
Massey University
Palmerston North
New Zealand
"Du t Gvrnmnt bggt cts ths sgntr hs bn thrgh lssy cmprssn"
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:45:34 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <ABL.93Jan8201842@cybill.inesc.pt>, by abl@cybill.inesc.pt (Antonio Leal):
 
 [Haldeman's Forever War did have mixed outfits;  then, over the centuries,
 first homosexuality became the moral standard, and then Earth became the
 province of a single "perfect" genotype, cloned a million fold.  That's
 probably an object lesson ;-]

Could you elaborate on that?  Basically, I'd say it proves Haldeman
was more flexible in his assumptions than Heinlein was.  Nothing in
that book says the trend is inevitable.  Nothing in that book suggests
that enforced homosexuality (quite as repulsive as enforced
heterosexuality, and indeed portrayed that way) has anything to do
with mixed combat units.
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: The Illuminatus trilogy
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:20:20 GMT

In article <9301071850.AA01473@rutgers.edu> A10JBE8@niu.BITNET writes:

>I am only half way through with the first book in the trilogy and I am
>not only completely enthralled, but I am questioning just how
>fictional the story really is.

   I'm going to give this innocent victim a few hints, and I'm actually
going to break one of the unwritten laws of Illuminatus! and tell the
truth without embellishment.

   Look up the following phrase: Guerrila Ontology.

   It's Wilson and Shea's major strength; they are praticing on _You_
at this very moment.  When I first read the Illuminatus! trilogy, I was
13 years old and the sex made a lot of sense to me.  :-)  When I read
it again at 18, I was heavily into Magick and Alisteir Crowley, and
suddenly LOTS MORE of the book made a lot of sense to me.  When I was
25 and coming out of the closet as queer, I read the book again and
LOTS MORE of the book made sense to me.  In each case, I had joined a
new subculture and, now familiar with the terminology, _knew exactly
what Wilson and Shea were trying to say_.

   How much of the book is true?

   There is not one lie in the entire book.  Oh, sure, much of the book
itself is fiction, but there isn't a single lie in the entire book.
Depending on who you take as authority, of course.  :-)

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
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From: schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk)
Subject: Re: Hugo Nominations (my suggestions)
Reply-To: schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk)
Organization: Dept. of Space Physics, Rice University, Houston TX
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:22:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.000244.2620@ichips.intel.com>, markg@pdx820 (Mark Gonzales) writes:
|> My choices for best novel of the year:
|> 
|> China Mountain Zhang, Maureen F. McHugh (Tor, 1992)

|> Strangely enough, I haven't seen anyone mention this one on the net.

I enjoyed this one quite a bit myself, but in the end decided that it wasn't
a "best of the year". It's been several months, but my impression now is
that McHugh started very well, but the end felt somehow "light". I.e., not
enough development of some of the ideas and themes.

As for my choice for best of the year, I'll have to wimp out. The best sf
book I read last year was a 1991 release: Norman Spinrad's RUSSIAN SPRING.
I don't recall very many 1992 releases that I thought were very good. CHINA
MOUNTAIN ZHANG and Allan Steele's LABYRINTH OF NIGHT were up there, but not
far enough.

-- 
Robert B. Schmunk <schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu>
SPAC, Rice Univ, Box 1892, Houston, TX 77251 USA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[He] turned back to the window and the opaque Houston sky. "You know, there
isn't anything wrong with this town that a couple of really good hurricanes
couldn't fix."                                      --Peter Gent, THE FRANCHISE
From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Covenant/LotR parallels? (Was Re: Amber: )
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1993Jan12.084703.18826@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> (David Ingham) writes:
>In article <1705@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
>wrote:
>> In article <1993Jan11.090716.1677@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> (David Ingham) writes:
>> >But he was[ vanquished forever and destroyed], when Covenant died. :) 

>> 	I don't see any support for that at all. Foul was vanquished AGAIN,
>> but for all time? I see no indication of that. He was weakened, like the 
>> first time, to a vanishingly small power level, but Despite can't be
>> killed off. Like Ahnold, "He'll be back". It may take him twenty thousand

>I am working under the assumption that the Land is not real, that it's all
>in Covenant's mind.  Since Foul is just Covenant's dark side, like the
>Sundbane was Linden's, once Covenant was dead he no longer existed.  How do
>you explain that Foul was vanquished in the last book just after Covenant
>died without anyone touching him?

	There's physical evidence of the existence of Foul and the Reality
of the Land.  First, Linden SEES LORD FOUL in this world. Other people are
also touched by Its power and know what It wants. Linden and Covenant share
experiences and meet things which could not be shared by simple dream
sequences. In the end, Linden has the Ring in her hand... which was never
given to her IN OUR WORLD -- but only in the world of the Land.

	Foul KILLED Covenant himself! What do you mean, no one touching
him? He was dying all along in our world, after the stab wound.

	Then, after Covenant's soul left both bodies -- the one in the Land,
and the one here -- he had accepted that he WAS the White Gold and could
incorporate himself into the Arch of Time. Then, when the Power of Wild Magic
was thrown AGAINST the Arch, Foul was only strengthening Covenant. In fact,
Covenant was using Foul's usual tricks against him.

>Hmm.  In the first 2 books there aren't many noble characters, but we do
>get to see them in the third book.  What I enjoy most about the series so

	I dunno if I can stand to read another two whole books before I
find people I like. The original Chronicles of Thomas Covenant were 
bad enough, and at least in THOSE we got the relief of Mhoram, Foamfollower,
and even Hile Troy. (even if Troy WAS a sucker...)


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Capitol S.F.?
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:25:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.025854.3115@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:

>  Can anyone give me the names of fantasy or science fiction books set in
> Washington, D.C.?

Well, lessee. . .

There's Elizabeth Hand's WINTERLONG, which takes place in a fabulously changed
future Washington, DC.

There's James Blish's THEY SHALL HAVE STARS, the first book of CITIES IN
FLIGHT, approximately half the action of which takes place in WDC.

Hoom.

There's Alan Drury's cycle of novels beginning with ADVISE AND CONSENT.  While
the first two are pretty much "straight" political novels, they descend deeper
and deeper into alternate-world-ism as time goes on; then the fourth book ends
on the eve of a Presidential election.  In the fifth book, one candidate has
been elected; in the sixth, the other. . . so his alternate world spawns its
own alternates.  Weird.

Much of Oliver Butterworth's children's book, THE ENORMOUS EGG, takes place
in and around WDC.

And, for a really scary fantasy set in Washington, read RN: THE MEMOIRS OF 
RICHARD NIXON.  The first few chapters take place in California, but they're
really sort of a prologue.


			I'm your only friend.  I'm not your only friend,
			but I'm your little glowing friend, but actually
			I'm not your friend.  But I am
				--TMBG

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.