From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: I'm God.
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:33:39 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <fTGg9M0@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
|In article <70498@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
|rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
|>Agreed.  And we have Christianity spread thoughout the world.  It spread 
|>from Jerusalem out rather quickly.  Within a few days of Pentecost there
|>were 3,000 (Acts 2:41) and then 5,000 (Acts 4:4) believers within 
|>Jerusalem.  
|
|Huh? Are you confusing facts with myth? Christianity was a total dud
|amongst the Hellenistic Jews. It was in the crumbling remains of the
|Greco/Roman empire that Christianity found it's converts. Of course,
|"convert or die" is one offer that is hard to refuse.

Were the Hellenistic Jews the only Jews?  I think not.  On the day
of Pentecost, a big feast day, there were Jews from all over the region -
not just from Jerusalem.

|>Oh.  What is the volume of books we call the Bible that predicts and
|>confirms this one man Jesus the Christ as he was to come, was here,
|>and will come again?  I understand that's not enough.  
|
|Man? Did you say man? I thought Jesus was a God or Son of God or
|something like that. And the "New Testament" was written after the
|facts. Makes prediction rather easy, don't you think?

That's right he was a man, but he was God.  Don't get too excited
about your perception of Jesus being only a man, for he was the fullness
of God in human flesh.

|>Where are their bodies today?   Jesus never died again - he is alive.
|
|Where is His body today? Don't tell me, He's behind one of those red
|curtains in a Lynch movie with all the rest of the claimers of
|reincarnation.

It is in heaven and is ALIVE and is at the right hand of the Father.

|>I think Budda's body is spread across the region and there are temples
|>built over parts of his body - I think he did die.
|
|What? Buddha acheived enlightenment, that is transcendence of death, yet
|he came back to play with the children. Once you are enlightened, you
|are beyond death. But, being a Jesus freak, this is all beyond you.

What is the after death, if one is enlightened as such and is beyond death?

|>He died and rose never to die again - did your men above do that?
|
|Men? I thought Jesus WAS GOD? Who cares if a God dies and rises to never
|die again. Gods do that all the time. G, even Elvis did that.

It says "YOUR MEN".  Jesus was God and man.

|>A afterlife is promised for all who follow Jesus.
|
|Hey, according to Christanity, everyone gets an after life. Even
|non-believers, what's the big deal? Personally, I can't see spending
|eteranity with a bunch of TV/fundy/EVILgelicals so the choice seems
|fairly obvious. If opposites attract then I'm on your side, if you know
|what I mean.

If you made it to heaven, regardless of you thoughts towared fundies,
you would be over that concern, for then we will know fully.

|>Jesus rose and proved
|>there was life beyond the grave and death had no more power over him nor
|>will it have power over those who believe, for we will overcome death
|>at the resurrection.
|
|Oh really, so you predict that you won't die? And where will you go when
|you die? The heavens? What like the moon? Outside of the universe? Even
|at the speed of light, the first Christians haven't yet left the
|universe. Where are you predicting yourself to go?

Ultimately, we will be here on earth (Rev 20-22), but before that
we will be with Jesus, but we are not told much about that.

|>Who said there was an earthly father even know his name?  All of the
|>information and understanding I have says that Mary conceived - if
|>God can created mankind, then surely he can cause a woman to conceive,
|>without a man.
|
|So, Mary used artificial insemination? I thought Christians were against
|that sort of thing? And how come we don't have any stories of the

Oh.

|childhood of Jesus? Or did Mary give birth to a full grown Jesus? And

We do have a couple of stories.  One was his birth - how many other
people have such a documented birth????   Jesus didn't start his ministry
until his late twenties or so.  He most likely worked as a carpenter
before then, but it is clear that he knew the scriptures very well and
so he may have studied, but not formally.

|Mary was born of her mother and thus a sinner, right? So Jesus was born
|of a sinner? Or was Mary also born of virgin birth? So Mary was a
|Goddess, wasn't she? If Mary was the Mother of Jesus, doesn't that make
|Her more important than Her Son?

Mary is special, but Jesus said anyone who does the will of the Father
is his brother, sister, AND mother.

|>They had them figured out.  Joseph was not the father.  Mary was the
|>mother.  The legal line came through Joseph, as Matthew presents it.
|>Matthew does not say Joseph was Jesus' father.  Luke gives the
|>male ancestorial line and so the blood line of Jesus through Mary to 
|>David -  Jesus was the son of each of those in Luke's geneology.  Both 
|>of them mention Joseph.
|
|Hmm, seems like kind of a screw up, don't you think?

Oh.  Could you elaborate?

|>rpitts@cerl.gatech.edu       |    
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|That icon of yours reminds me of only one thing, the KKK. Is that what
|you are symbolizing?

They are not flaming, are they.  Have you ever heard that Jesus was
crucified between two criminals?  Do you not believe someone can 
display a cross without displaying hatred?

Jesus the Christ died on the cross and that is what we preach.  He
as buried and rose from death on the third day.  This three cross
symbol (not an idol) is a reminder of that.

For Christ and His Kingdom,
Richard Pitts

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