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From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lyme Disease shots
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:57:43 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center

I got both of my dogs vaccinated.  In fact, we go back on Sat. for the second
shot.  My vet said that you need two shots the first time you start the
vaccination. 

My vet attended a lecture at the Univ. of Penn. vet hospital about lyme
disease.  He said that the "dog" tick is also a carrier of lyme disease.

I live in a very wooded area and have deer run through my property daily. 
Everytime my animals go out for even 2 min. to go do their thing they come back
in with at least one tick crawling on their face.  They are mostly very small
ticks with a black dot on their head.  I examine them every day for embedded
ticks and usually find one or more.  I found that brushing them when they come
in helps because it will remove any ticks that are just crawling on them.

I have been worrying about the lyme disease for my pets since we have such a
tick infestation (no problems with fleas - not a one this year!) in the area
that I live.  Our secretary at work had lyme disease last year!! Thats how bad
it is here. And she isn't out rolling in the woods and she got it!!

I volunteer at the SPCA and our canine officers picked up a stray great dane
and the dane was very sickly and when they got the dog back to the shelter and
examined him. They removed over 400 ticks off this dog.  With a little time,
medicine and TLC he was nursed back to health and got adopted!!!  Yes, this dog
did have lyme disease.

I would strongly advise anyone who lives in an area that has a high
concentration of ticks consider the vaccination for your dogs.  I just wish
their was something for cats.  My cats get more ticks than my dogs do.

Karen Roop
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: mini rescue story
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:25:32 EST

In article <1992Nov9.042749.13338@midway.uchicago.edu>
betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
 
>
>A good friend of mine seems to have her own unofficial shelter.  She's always
>wanted one dog.  Just one.  But she's always got three--the legal limit.  Her
>all time favorite dog passed away recently and she explained to me how he
>came into her life and started this whole shelter off.
>
Three is a legal limit?  I didn't realize that some places HAD legal limits
on the number of dogs a person could own.  I don't think I like that idea.
If a person can prove that he/she has the ability to care for a dog, he/she
should be allowed to choose how many dogs to own.
 
Comments, anyone?
 
 
 
 
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:51:03 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
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  I think dogs left alone in the house who distroy something are the
most common victims of animal abuse.
  Before I knew about my responsibility to crate the dog, or put it in
a run when I could not supervise it, I have yelled at and smacked my
dogs for distroying my home.
  It is a common story of basically kind and gentle people being
pushed over the edge at having their homes wrecked.
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: EUTHANASIA: Winston
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:55:28 GMT

<Janice writes about biting/attacking problem with her dog Winston>

Janice,

  There is an article in the current issue of "Dog World" magazine
about what they call "Canine Rage Syndrom",  you might want to 
read it.

My thoughts are with you,

-Kayti
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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Scared Dogs
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: int402h@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au

MRW>Could someone please tell me what to do with my dog who is scared of our li
MRW>floor.  She will only enter the room(the kitchen) when she is given food.
MRW>that is becoming a problem.  When she was a puppy she would run around in t
MRW>room and now that she is slightly bigger (still not fully grown) she slips
MRW>slides all over the floor.
MRW>We have tried most ways to get her used to the floor but nothing works.
MRW>Please Help as that room is the main room for her for most of the day.

If I understand this the dog is afraid of the floor because she slips on
it when she walks, right. OK there is a product I think it is called
Tuff Paws (Obedience People help me out here!!) it is like a glue that
you spray on the paws that makes them a little sticky. This will keep
the dog from slipping on the floor. Obedience people use it when they
have to show on a floor that is not matted. I know you can buy it from a
show vendor, I don't know if it is available at a pet store, but you
could look.
It is not something that you would want to use for the rest of the dogs
life, but it may work till she gets more coordinated and would help to
build her confidence on the floor.
Hope this helps!
Kathleen Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:52:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
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In a previous article, honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig) says:

>In article <1992Nov9.222442.12744@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>>Joseph Weinstein writes:
>>> seems to be a rough consensus among those whose job or avocation
>>> is the reliable production of working dogs, that the most important
>>> predictor of success is breeding for the correct temperament.
>>
>>It's not hard to find folks who hold this opinion.  There are any
>>number of anecdotal accounts and uncontrolled comparisons that support
>>it.  The relevant science does not support it.
>>
>
>As I believe you've often asked of others, please post references to
>the "relevant science" that does not support this.  Thanks.
>
>Sue Utter Honig
>honig@cs.cornell.edu
>
>
>

I'll provide some evidence.

Try reading a classic book on the subject:

"The new Knowledge of Dog Behavior by Clarence Pfaffenberger

c 1963 by Howell Book House.

Mr Pfaffenberger wrote this book based on his own experiences working with
the breeding program at Guide Dogs for the Blind and the research of Dr. J.
Paul Scott of the Animal Behavior Division at Roscoe B. Jackson Memorial
Laboratory in Bar Harbor, Maine.

As a measure of the success of the work at Guide Dogs for the Blind, in the
late 1940's, only nine percent of the dogs that started training could
become responsible guides.  In 1958 and 1959, all the dogs bred and
developed according to the knowledge gained by Pfaffenbarger were as good
or better than the dogs of 1946 and 90% became guide dogs despite stricter
requirements from the 1946 standard.

It was true 40 years ago and it's still true.  Breeding does make the dog
and breeding for temperament stacks the deck in your favor if you want a
good working dog.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 13:06:17 -0500 
From: Robert Rittiger <rr3n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Shepard Mix Needs a Home

   I have a 4 month old female German Shep. mix that I found wandering
the streets a month ago. She was cold, dirty and very hungry so my wife
and I took
her in. Unfortunatley, we also have a four month old male human and have found
that it is just too much trying to care for both babies. So we are looking for
a home for the pup. 
    We don't want to give her to a shelter. We have asked all friends
and family
if they would like a pup, but no one we know wants a dog. 
    Any suggestions on where we can find her a loving home??? We live in the
Pittsburgh PA area.
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From: gruiz@Cadence.COM (Gil Ruiz)
Subject: Obedieance schools in Bay Area 
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: Bay Area
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:03:29 GMT

I recently got an American Staffordshire Terrier puppy and I want to take her
to obedieance school. I was wondering if anyone on the net new of any good 
schools in the Bay Area, perferably in the South Bay. Also, how much does it
usually cost. The puppy is 3.5 months old, if that makes a difference. Please
e-mail at gruiz@cadence.com.

Thanks in advance,

Gil Ruiz
From: dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Keywords: uh oh
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:34:05 GMT

My mother-in-law left her 6-month old yellow lab puppy in her car while
she went in to pick up a few groceries one day.  The windows were down
and it was a cool (50 degree) day so she didn't think anything of it.
The pup was laying in the passengers bucket seat (this was before she
knew about crating her dog in the car) and the gear shift knob was just
within reach while laying down.  By the time she got back to the car
(10-15 minutes later), the dog had devoured the gear shift knob and the
upholstery on both front seats.  The pup is know nearly eight years old,
with her CD, CDX, and UD titles.  Hard to believe what those puppies
will do.

-dave
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Recurring vaginal infection in bitch?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 20:37:07 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov7.153348.412@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>Anyone have experience w. recurring vaginal infections in an unspayed,
>non-pregnant bitch?

One of my bitches seemed to have puppy vaginitis (never truly diagnosed by
microscope, but the vet said it seemed likely from the itching, etc, and
treated her with antibiotics once.

I decided to try giving her some yogurt -- if it works for people, who knows???

I *think* it helped.  And I don't think it can hurt....
From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:16:04 GMT
Subject: Re: dog-racing vs. horse-racing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Not to  mention  the fact  that  racing a two year old  horse is a very
serious labor.  Horses need a minimum of 3-4years to mature This is why
4 yr old race horses are considered  "old"!!  That is just about when a
lucky  non-race  horse begins serious  training..  Note that  endurance
races do not allow horses under 4 to race.

Also, how many LIVE horses have you ever seen leave the track in
the "horsey" ambulance.. Most are put down since rehabilitation is
very expensive and the some humans like horsemeat..

Notice that there is not a big problem with "old" race horses, like
old greyhounds...No clubs to adopt them out.. (I grieve equally for
all of them, its just that there are hardly any surviving race
horses)

Seriously, I have had several 20 yr+ horses going strong, they were not
ridden until they were 3/4 years old.

sadly,

Donna "horse lover" G.

sorry this is long.. its a sad world

P.S
Remember the breeders cup when Mel Brooks' horse was "put down"?
I cried.
It was partially attributed to the shortness of the race..
Why can't they eliminate the shorter races that cause most of the
injuries? (you know the old 80/20 rule)
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with Shepherds
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Nov9.224400.2930
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <24123@alice.att.com> rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>If it's a good course, you won't be the pack leader; for example
>with an indominable dog, you do not dominate him.  Obedience
>nevertheless works - it works on a cooperation drive, not a
>dominance/submission drive.

If it is a good course, you will learn how to communicate with your dog.

>
>It is very impoverishing to the idea of relationships between
>masters and dogs to think of it as alpha wolf.  It sounds very

No more impovershing than viewing the entire dog world through
Kohler lenses.  One should be more flexible, and view the relationship
on many levels.

>expert, as if we were all little Konrad Lorenz's in here, but
>it doesn't apply.  It's a way to avoid responsibility, is all.

No, it is a way of understanding *some* canine behavior.  It is
not a training method, not a method of disipline, not a method of
"dominating" a dog, or dogs, into doing something, not a general
way to look at a relationship of ALL dogs to ALL humans at ALL
times.  It is a way of understanding some canine behavior, thereby
improving communication.  Period.

[more stuff delted]

>
>The teddy-bear school has more idea of that, but doesn't see
>their part in achieving it.  The pack-leader school sees the
>necessity of training, but loses the original point, if I can
>put things that way.

I know I have said this before, but I'll say it again.  The schools
are the problem.  No flexibility.  "My training method works all the
time, guarranteed.  Yours stinks."  Whenever one establishes him/herself 
in any one school, it is very limiting in my opinion, and does quite a 
disservice to the intelligence of dogs, in general, and ignores dogs as 
individuals.  Note, I am not being critical of any *one* training method.
That is the point.  One should evaluate different dogs and choose a method
best suited to that particular dog and owner.  Methods are but the tools.
We should apply the tools as the situation calls for them.


>
>Good obedience courses look to developing the character of the dog,
>and it is the character that you see forever after.

I suppose I would extend this to say that good obedience courses develop
the human counterpart, providing them with the means to understand and
communicate with their dogs, as well as a variety of training tools to
use.  Tools in the methodology sense.  Kohler is one method.  There are
lots of others.  None are fool proof in all given situations.  Dogs are
individuals and should be treated as such.  Obedience classes that develop
the human side of the equation in this manner naturally cause the character
of the dog, the human, and the relationship to be elevated.

[stuff deleted]

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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: running w/golden retreiver
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.183231.2920@schbbs.mot.com>, cdis76@email.mot.com (Deena 
Snell) writes:

>I recently started taking my 5 month old golden retreiver running with me.
>The furthest we've gone is 2 1/2 miles at about 7:30 pace.  She slows down 
>toward the end but is still able to keep up.  I was wondering how far these
>dogs are able to run.  Will I be able to work her up to running 10 or 11
>miles when she's fully grown?  Any comments are appreciated. Thanks.  

Don't run your girl now.  She's not strong enough.  Wait until she's 9 months
or older, then do the 2-3 miles for a month or so, build up to 4-5 and see how
she does.  She might not want to do 10 or 11 miles on a lead, but off-lead,
maybe.  I run my Lab no more than 5 miles at a time because he gets bored with
the steady monotonous pace; he prefers to canter, sniff, sprint, sniff, canter,
sprint, sniff...which is hard to do during my runs.  We can walk for hours,
though, so do consider that to be a viable exercise for both of you that will
spare *your* knees (wink).  Another compromise is for you to do part of your
usual mileage alone, come home and get the dog, and then walk the rest of the
mileage.

Katie
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From: hobright@src.honeywell.com (Lesa Hobright Turner)
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:20:19 GMT



Puppy chewing stories?  Have I got a few!!

When Chaska (our Keeshond) was 6 months old, he CHEWED UP MY WEDDING DRESS!
his only saving grace was I wore it two days before!

He's also taken down strips of wallpaper in the bathroom - twice.  (a roll
of this wallpaper is $37.00)

And then there was the time when we were going up north and left Mr. Chaska in
the car for about 20 minutes on a cool cloudy day and he got the explodes
(diahreah -sp?) ALL over my husbands new car!  After we got the car cleaned out
and were continuing up north with the windows wide open, it started to
downpour!  We had to close the windows and put up with the stench.  Talk about
insult to injury!

And as long as I'm on the subject of poop, Chaska had the explodes one day when
we weren't home and ran down the stairs as he was getting sick.  I came home to
a stairwell full of dog poop on the walls, ceiling, light grey carpet, etc.

It's a good thing he's so damn cute and loveable!

Lesa Hobright-Turner
and Chaska the FurMonster
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: <None>
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:45:40 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I have only been to the shelter once, since I just started volunteering.
I walked SEVERAL dogs and spent sometime with them.  About 7 I would say.
They licked my hands, tried to lich my face, and were really all over me.
I thought about the possibility of bringing something home to MIn,
but I am told that is what their shots are for.  Now let me say, before
anyone flames me, I am aware that they do not get shots for EVERYTHING.
But the dogs I came into contact with are all ready for adoption.  There
were not any animals quarintined (spelling) when I was there.  I would 
not think of taking Min there, so as not to risk her coming into contact
with a new dog who does have a problem, but I really do not feel that
there is a chance for her to catch something from my clothes.  It is a 
good 20-30 minute drive for me, and I make sure I wash my hands and arms
real well before I leave there.

Does anyone know if this COULD be a danger?  I would like to know
if I am not worrying ENOUGH about this....!

Have a great weekend!

Suzanne
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: EUTHANASIA: Winston
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:36:38 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

r hardin writes:
> there isn't a cause of biting

Incorrect.  The literature lists some known causes.

-- Jon
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with Shepherds
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:37:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24160
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Kathleen Brewer writes:
>But she does listen and obey you, that means to me that you are the pack
>leader. Being a pack leader does not mean, beating your dog, or
>dominating it to the extent that it cowers. It means that the dog know
>that you are boss, and that you require it to behave. If you have
>trained properly and taken the dog into consideration you will have an
>obedienent and happy dog!

But I'm not the pack leader of my dog.  The term directs thoughts into
particular ways of correcting and thinking about what you're trying to do.
(In particular, it tempts you to threaten, and to make the dog responsible
for your feelings.  Both egregious training faults.)

What I'm trying to say is: direct the thoughts instead into absolute
obedience.  Absolute obedience as a wonderful thing;  it's an unlimited
obligation that opens a new space for the dog - because it's his introduction
into new forms of responsibility.  You can only say: look at this,
and show it to him.

It gives him a new freedom.

Remember always the dog stories!  That's where they come from.
Why in the world have dog stories disappeared from training?
---

Look, it's EASY to show the dog what's expected, what you WANT him to do.
Any dog.  There's a hundred ways; what Koehler gives happens to work for
any dog.  That ``communication'' simply isn't the problem I'm talking
about.  I can't believe anybody is still worried about it, as if it
were a mystery how to do it.

But what Koehler stresses, always, at every step, is the goal of all this.
A glorious dog, in a new space that the dog creates.  That's what you
have to show him.

It's what you do after you've made it clear what the dog has to do,
that makes all the difference.
---

Communication:  You're coming home at night with your dog, and you hear
a scream from behind your house.  You and the dog alert; you look at the
dog, and the dog shrugs, ``I think it's just the neighbor's kid playing out
back.''

You're interested in your dog's opinion, that it's nothing to worry about,
the neighbor kid is just of the age when this sort of thing is done.

That's the new space the dog occupies.
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