HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Methods file
Keywords: chlorine, cl, pain
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:03:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>even the masochists would do well to consider other means.
>
You mean like using a Hydroflouric acid underarm deoderant, perhaps?
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From: wr@bara.oche.de (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: Re: Methods file
Keywords: chlorine, cl, pain
Summary: chlorine gas update
Organization: Private UUCP site, Aachen, FRG
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 16:47:44 MEZ

In <103899@netnews.upenn.edu>, Lionel Ginzburg (lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:

(about chlorine gas)
LG>(and keep in mind, people, that the stuff was outlawed after WWI, and
LG>was so horrible that not even the Nazis used it in WWII)

Rubbish, nothing was too horrible for the nazis to use it.
The only reason they didn't use poison gas was that Hitler had
gotten into a gas attack during WW1 and was panically afraid of the stuff.
(Pity he didn't inhale more of it.) I mean, they didn't refrain from
using it because of some "we don't want to do that to our enemy" sentimentality.
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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Request:  Methods file.  Mail me a copy?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:33:18 GMT


I seem to have lost (erased?) my copies of the methods file.  Could
someone mail me a copy please?  Otherwise I'll make do on my own.


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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:59:59 GMT

In article <16B54AAE6.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.234303.26679@udel.edu>
>awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
> 
>>	...so long...
>>
>>	Psycho Kitten
>>
>     Good luck.  Write if/when you get back; at least one virtual hug shall
> be waiting for you.
> 
>euclid
>   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
>and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
>This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
> 
>Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
>standard disclaimers apply

	*(exasperated)sigh*

	I suppose I should have made myself more clear... 

	"...so long..." refered to me fighting my urges for so long - not
my leaving (or dying soon).

	I'm not leaving yet...

	...not without giving thanks for all the fish first...  ;)

	
		Psycho Kitten

	
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Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: too much rope
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:24:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1idh32INNsbn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (mMaEtYtER) writes:

>Ths saddest thing right now is that this pc, this archaic little 286
>has been my best friend for the last 4 weeks.  I, for all intensive
>purposes, spent the holidays alone.  I spend  4 or 5 hours logged on 
>reading news to keep my mind off being as fucking lonely as i am.

You're not the only one.  My Amiga (Girl-friend in spanish.  The only
one I've ever had, or will have.) computer has been my entire life for
longer than I'd care to think about.

>shit. I am one of those ppl whoallways hears about events after they
>happen,  Somehow  get oleft off mailing lists.  I love it when ppl 
>ask "why weren't you at so & so's last nyt?' -maybe cuz this is the
>first i've fucking heard about it (there's one <---).  And these are
>the same ppl i take calsses with, do extracurriculars with, who 
>i've invited to my place for chili and nachos.... What the fuck?!
You missed this one!----------------------------------------^^^^

I definately know how you feel here.  As I wrote about recently, my 2
"best friends" had a great time on New Years Eve... this I found out
Jan. 2nd.

>The easy answer is - hey everyone thinks your an asshole-  maybe 
>taht's ,true.  sometimes i want to beleive that. I would just go 
>and find new friends, but i don't think that's it.  I just seem to be this
>flooating variant/variable.  Yeah i know lotsa ppl, they know me, but i get 
>lost in the shuffle all the time, end up the deuce of spades lying 
>in the shadow of a card table.  The ppl i seemingly can depend on 
>now live an hour plus away... and lately even they have bbeen 
>blowing me off.  I was over a friends last night.  There were a few
>of us there. We watched a movie talked,played some games - a mellow
>night.  And she's liek yeah we'lll be around all week, drop by anytime
>or call. "your more than welcome to come over"  Of course when it came 

At least you have people who even _say_ these things.

>to making plans this eve i heard nothing of it.  she's out somewhere
>with some group of firiends.  In case your wondering, classes are still
>out but i am up here at school any way.

Personally, I _wish_ I could go to school again.  Gakk...

>they wont even let me modify my chfn file fuckin' a (that's 2!)

Its 3!

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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:50:59 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

In article <Jan.6.19.37.42.1993.2105@andromeda.rutgers.edu> giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:
>   I am in desparate need of someone to talk to
>does anyone have any ideas

Sure, send me email, or a talk if I'm on... My phone number is in my finger 
file, the 508 number...

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From: szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Subject: Re: just a simple cry for help
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:00:31 GMT

In <1993Jan11.033138.17114@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@cardinal.stanford.edu (Joe Dwight) writes:

>Hello.  I am reposting the following because I _really_ would like to know
>the answer to the question.  No.  I don't know why Liz-chan no longer responds
>to my posts; insightful comments (whose anonymity I guarantee, _of_ 
>_course_) would be appreciated.

>(Actually, I have met a number of women like Liz-chan.  They are sort of
>kook-y, but they are nice in a quaint sort of way.  Just don't get too
>involved.)

>If you are too shy to reply in public, e-mail is fine, too.

>In article <16B4EBC2E.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
>(Elizabeth C. Kupfer) writes:
>>...eventually needed to see a councelor and take prozac for a few months.

>Could someone tell me what "prozac" is and how much it might cost?
>Is it similar to lithium?

>Elizabeth doesn't respond to my posts any more, so could someone else
>post an answer?


Prozac (or fluoxetine) is part of a new class of antidepressants.  A
couple of years ago it was the "new wonder drug for depression".
Neurochemically it blocks the reuptake of serotonin, and this action
is thought to produce the antidepressant effect.  Truth is...the
story's not that simple.  I've had some bad experiences with Prozac
and won't take it again.  It's expensive (I'm Canadian and a month's
supply at 20mg/day cost $117)

As far as lithium is concerned, it's usually Rx'd for
manic-depressives.  Its cost--I don't know.  Because you can't have a
patent on an element I assume it's a lot cheaper.  If you're suffering
from depression and not manic-depression I don't see why you would
take it.

Make sure you're being treated by a specialist--not a GP.
Trust your psychiatrist and/or counsellor.  If you don't like him or
her..get another one.

Feel free to write
Steve
szikopou@ccs.carleton.ca
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
 
	*thunK*thunK*thunK*cough*
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:34:09 GMT

	...how wonderful...

	...I take a day off work (which I have to make up on Sat.) to
	spend several hours with TBG and his 'wife' and what happens???

	...I spend the day sick in bed (and he hasn't bothered to call me
	yet -- I have no way of reaching him now)...

	...nothing like getting a cold (esp. when you _have_ to go out
	jogging at 8am in 35 degree weather) to improve one's depressed
	state...

	=P    *thunk*

		Psycho Kitten
	
		(*thunk*ing against the cement wall by my bed...)

-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: just a simple cry for help
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:03:15 GMT

In article <16B4EBC2E.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
(Elizabeth C. Kupfer) writes:
>...eventually needed to see a councelor and take prozac for a few months.

Could someone tell me what "prozac" is and how much it might cost?
Is it similar to lithium?

Elizabeth doesn't respond to my posts any more, so could someone else
post an answer?

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From: harrison@cs.ubc.ca (James Harrison)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help and taping conversations
Date: 9 Jan 1993 09:13:02 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: popeye.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1im7m9INNlqn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>And just so you know, I check on this. It is ok to tape a phone call if ONE
>person on the line knows it is being taped... SO the person at the other
>end could tape you too... I don't know how admissable that would be, but it
>is something to keep in mind.

It should be completely admissible as it is a correct copy of the conversation 
that was recorded for personal reasons by one of the persons involved in 
the conversation.  It's similar to hanging up the phone and immediately
scrawling in your diary/memo/etc "talked to <name> s/he continues to be
depressed about...."  which would be admissible in court if you were called
in as a witness.

You can even have your diary subpoenaed!  That's right that wonderful book
of all of your inner most thoughts read and reviewed by the other guys:
"Your honor, what we are trying to establish here is the defendent's frame
of mind during the days leading up to....and show that s/he had experienced
similar mental states in the recent past."

I'm not sure how admissible a conversation with an "anonymous help line"
would be because you could argue that there was "an atmosphere of anonymity
and privacy created by the witness which has now been shattered..."

But if were really worried about big brother would we be posting here?

James,
content but waiting for the other shoe to drop
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:34:52 GMT

In article <mjc.726697879@NL.CS.CMU.EDU> mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica
Cellio) writes: 
   Stuff deleted 
>The proper response to "Do this voluntarily or we'll commit you" is "Go
>ahead and try".  You'll be no worse off, near as I can tell.
>
>Monica

What do you mean you'll be no worse off?  Once you say that, then you
also are paranoid.  After all, they're just trying to help you...
(Yeah right...).

"Inside me a voice is repeating this phrase, 'You've lost it, you'll
never get out of this maze..." (from a great paranoid song by Phish)

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: And so it starts again...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:53:51 GMT

In article <1ie35qINN7ep@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <C0BG7G.Bs7@news.udel.edu> zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson) writes:
>>_anything_... I opted for some chicken tenders and curly fries for
>
>AH... Dinner with the King... Does anyone else want the creator of those BKTV
>ads strung up?
>
	Ah no. Dining Services have take-out shops here (too bad the one
nearby doesn't open before dinner).  The food is actually better than fast
food... I'm not sure about the dining halls (Haven't eaten there much).
I'm surprised by how much I ate last night.

		Psycho Kitten
		(back in her e-home!!!)


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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:59:32 GMT

megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>In article <C0I08M.95r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) writes:
>>I don't know that being political (social) animals precludes being nasty to ea

>Oh, it doesn't by any means...

>>other.  And, really, how nasty *could* people be if they avoided each other  
>>except during mating season...when their minds are on other things? Hmmm. I 

>Mating season peaceful? Ever see mountain goats fight over the female? Two
>tom cats fighting over a female in heat? Birds dogfighting for supremecy?

>Mating season is hardly peaceful. When basic instinct takes precedence all
>peaceful pretence goes out the window... The only thing that matters is
>mating, kill anyone in your way... No, hardly peaceful...
    
   The bit about mating season was at least 50% tongue-in-cheek.  But you
bring up a good point.  What i was hinting at is that people generally have
to get together to *be* violent-n-nasty to each other.  Even long-range
weapons, from the blunderbuss and up, owe their existence to the fact people
do get together (and yes, i'm aware the firearm i mention above is hardly the
gun of choice for shooting long distance...i'm here refering to the level
of technological sophistication).
   In fact, basic instincts like mating and eating are good arguments for
saying violence and mayhem shall always be with us and among us.  The
mountain goats fight, after all, for the female.  They don't draw straws, the
loser quietly going away.   I feed the squirrels on campus.  Almost inevitably
three or four of 'em converge on me....and two or three go away hungry unless
i make a point of scattering the feed. Why?  One of the squirrels always beats
on and chases away the others if i put the sunflower seeds all in one place.
Since i know i have enough seeds to feed all the squirrels that show up, i
might consider the dominant squirrel greedy...but the dominant squirrel
probably doesn't see it that way.  The same act may be considered hoarding or
stockpiling, depending on the point of view you take...dominant squirrel (DS)
doesn't know the size of my pockets, and is taking his fill.  When he's had
enough he goes away, and then the other squirrels can get some (unless i
scatter, as mentioned before).  Maybe we can teach all of humanity there is
enough for all....maybe we can teach everyone to think the same?----NOT!!!

euclid
--
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standard disclaimers apply
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
                                     ----Charles Dickens
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:31:19 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

>>Also, doctors do not have to keep a confidence; if they did, it would be
>>a lot more difficult to commit people.  Some doctors are slime and will 
>>tell you information is confidential when it isn't; 

>Or that if you commit yourself voluntarily you can leave when you want.
>I don't know about other states, but in Ohio that's simply false.

PA, too.  They can lie about everything to get you to "voluntarily" admit
yourself to the hospital, and there's nothing you can do if you fall for it
-- including, in at least some cases, contact a lawyer.

The proper response to "Do this voluntarily or we'll commit you" is "Go
ahead and try".  You'll be no worse off, near as I can tell.

Monica

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From: t35123n@taltta.hut.fi (Yoghurt (Tapio Vorlund))
Subject: Re: Request:  Methods file.  Mail me a copy?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:10:18 GMT

In article <C0CpBI.9C1@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>
>I seem to have lost (erased?) my copies of the methods file.  Could
>someone mail me a copy please?  Otherwise I'll make do on my own.
>

   For me too!! 

 And here comes the .signature
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   :   ...  :...: : :   :    . .  :   : :...: :     :   :  ::. : :  :
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 06:50:23 GMT

In article <Jan.6.19.37.42.1993.2105@andromeda.rutgers.edu> giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:
>   I am in desparate need of someone to talk to
>does anyone have any ideas

Here are some suggestions.

(1) 1-800 numbers (crisis hotline, for example)
(2) priest
(3) friends

#1 is the most anonymous, if you are looking for that.  (I left out
"psychologists, on purpose.)

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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: I am more than this.
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:51:52 GMT


I am more than this.

I'm sure of it.
But how to express it?
How to release it?

I am more than this.

But this is all I know.
I exist.
But little more.

I am more than this.

Potential unrealised,
Intelligence untested.
Creativity untapped.

I am more than this.

I can be more than this.
But I am not.
That is the ultimate failure.
-- 
)                    )  I am more than this...  )               )
) rpowers@panix.com  )                          )   Apathy...   )
)                    )      Continue...?        )               )
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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:39:43 GMT

In <1ij05nINNk9@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <C0I6yo.892@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>>It depends what you mean by anonymous.  1-800 numbers automatically
>>receive a list of all numbers that called them with their bill.
>><Just color me paranoid.  But the above *is* true.  (Or close to it)>

>With digital switching every number you dial, including hitting a button and
>hanging up can and most likely is recorded by the phone company computers.
>Most police agencies, ambulances, etc have the call tracing feature which
>displays the caller's number. Calls are in effect 'traced' before the first
>ring, the computer does it as a matter of course. Hence the service offered
>by some states for a private residence to see the caller's number, or call
>blocking - refusing calls from a number, etc....
[...]

The potential for all calls to be traced does exist.  But the fact is
that this does not go on for all calls.  1-800 numbers, on the other
hand, routinely supply _all_ calling numbers with the monthly bill.  
With regular calls, odds are (assuming no caller ID) your call _will_
be anonymous.  With an 800 number, you are almost gauranteed to be
giving your number to the owner of the line.

-- 
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rpowers@panix.com / his microphone with a rubber hose. /
	         /  No, wait!  Thats beef jerky!      /   Hail Eris! 

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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:04:57 GMT

In <1ij0buINNl3@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>Don't be so sure... some places have laws requiring doctor's to report 
>certain things.. They could be liable if you off yourself and they knew you
>were thinking about it... I don't think priests are liable - seperation of
>church and state and all that - but they can still drop hints to authorities
>if they feel it 'is in your best interest'. And I've seen crooked priests..

Can't speak for other religions but in a catholic confessional, it's
you, the priest and the (assumed) God. Catholic priests are bound to
keep the confidentialty of the confessional sacred (hence all those
films where the priest witnesses the murder and the murderer seals his
lips by confessing to him.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:11:24 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>	...nothing like getting a cold (esp. when you _have_ to go out
>	jogging at 8am in 35 degree weather) to improve one's depressed
>	state...
>

_have_ to go jogging? Unneccessary excercise is