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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:29:07 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      NBSTART.INT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

This may be an unnecessary remark for most NB 4.0 users,
but I write it for the record.

NBSTART.INT, the file replacing the old STARTUP, runs in
display-off mode. This means that you do not see on the
command line the commands you have entered in the file.
This does not cause any problem, naturally, unless you
use NBSTART.INT to run an add-on, or a HELP screen for
installation of additional features. HELP screens which
cannot work in display-off mode (DX, or NB vx, or OV {ascii 30}X).
I encountered this problem when I had to re-install my screen
for customizing French, Swedish, and Hebrew date formats
(see NB-DAT01.ZIP). Regretfully, although NB 4.0 has many
improvements with the date formats (you can now type TODAY M.DD.YY
etc. directly on the command line to get the desired today's
date format), there is no built-in feature for any langauge
other than English. A multilingual pgm like NBLINGUA could have
used my old screen, at least!

The solution for this -- and similar -- problems, is to introduce
a display-on code (DO) before the running of the screen (or any
other add-on that so requires).

Of course, if for some reason you feel safer with the older
format of STARTUP (which used to show you what's going on
in detail; now you get short [but effective] messages),
you can put DO at the very top of the file.

Itamar E-Z


PS. I would like to prepare a short report of NB 4.0 with
'innovations and imrovements', 'bugs and problems', and
'missing features', as main headings. If you are willing
to contribute, please send me items (short, please; bewtween
3-7 lines), and I'll integrate them in this doc. I will
then post the report for everybody's inspection.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 22:01:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: Problems with nb4 and Lingua printing
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Thanks Paul for answering, but I don't quite understand what you are
suggesting.  How does F2 bring up the default printer?  And where do I set
up the default Lingua printer to overide the default Nota Bene printer
(which is the same printer, just different fonts I guess.  I also am not
sure where Lingua picks up that I have a Microsoft cartridge (the old "z"
cartridge) in my printer.  ANy help would be appreciated.
  Allen (itf
@psuvm.psu.edu)
From: GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA.BITNET (Gerald W. Schlabach)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
Subject: Space requirements for NB4 components
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:51:09 GMT
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Dear friends:

Can anyone post a component-by-component listing of how much space one
should expect NB4, Lingua, Orbis, additional Ibid files, etc. will take
up on a hard drive?  Someone mentioned 3.6 Mb total for their configuration
but I for example won't be running Lingua.  By the way, Waldo (NB4)
arrived here in South Bend late last week.  Besides the fact that I am running
low on HD space, I hesitate to install because I know I'll need at least
a day to rewrite my keyboard.  Always the downside of an NB upgrade, even
in the best of times.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
From: DICK@SIENA.BITNET (Michael Dick)
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Subject: Re: LBase
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:22:54 GMT
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Yes, Paul, I did edit Lbase.cfg to change it from output nb to output lingua.
        M. Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:53:10 -0400
From:         "Thomas O. Mammoser" <tom9e@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 arrival
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NB 4.0 arrived in Virginia this afternoon, and the two important
statements concerning missing documentation and the beginning of
the warranty period are included at the bottom of the "NB Read Me
First Installation" page under "Documentation."  It installed
very easily and so far seems to be working very well.  Thanks to
all of you who have supplied hints for installation over the last
month.  Knowing what to expect was a big help giving the sketchy
installation instructions.

        Tom Mammoser
        tom9e@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:52:43 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Quest for the eschatological RAMbyte
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Jerome Walsh writes:

> ... do you have any advice, warnings, or
> other insights into either of these programs or their ilk?  Some spe-
> cific questions that occur to me:  (1) What use is expanded memory for
> NB3.x?  How about for the eschatological NB4?  (2) Does anybody have
> any advice on how to juggle a Stackered RAMdrive, PC-CACHE, and VRAM
> in 1 Mbyte of extended memory?  (3) If I use VRAM in my AUTOEXEC.BAT
> in TSR mode to create permanent expanded memory, is it possible to
> load any of the device drivers there?  (I doubt it, since they've al-
> ready been loaded by CONFIG.SYS, but who am I to set limits to magic?)

For NB's use the RAMdrive is probably the best single asset on a 286
platform.  PC-Cache will speed up disk access, but a word processor is
not a disk-intensive application most of the time.  VRAM on a 286
*emulates* expanded memory--such emulations are unfortunately not very
stable and usually use a fairly big chunk of conventional memory for a
page frame emulation.  The resulting virtual EMS is not fully LIM 4.0
compliant, and cannot be used to create UMBs for such operations as
loadhi.  The resulting EMS *might* be stable enough to use for the
speller feature in NB 4.0 (MX=10), but then again it might not.  If
you are really squeezed for memory it is worth a try, but exercise
caution.  Other than that it can't be used for any adjunct to NB.

The use of video RAM as supplementary conventional memory when in text
mode is an ingenious technique.  On a 386 the actual video memory can
be mapped out and replaced by fast RAM from the mother board and the
result is a very useful improvement.  On a 286 platform such devices
use the actual video memory on the video card instead of fast
motherboard RAM.  Remember that no matter how fast your computer is,
this memory is usually running at 8 Mhz!  That means unless you have
an 8 Mhz AT the extra memory will be significantly slower than the
rest of your conventional memory.  This will usually not cause
problems like crashes, but it *can* cause noticeable degradation of
performance in the programs that use this extra memory.  Be prepared
for occasional unexpected slow-downs.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
From: B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
Subject: Re: misc
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:13:27 GMT
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              16 Oct 92 16:59:08 BST from <M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK>

Re: switching back and forth (again)

What I mean is this: NB 4.0 offers 2 different versions,
one called NB 4.0, and the other called NBLINGUA. NB 4.0
is a monolingual pgm; it cannot handle Hebrew, Greek,
extra accented characters, etc. It takes less memory than
NBLINGUA, and its display is less shaky and more pleasant.
It does not save accented characters as 3-bytes combinations,
etc.

When you do work, I presume that even if you are a heavy multilingual
scholar, at times you would prefer to get free from the whole
heavy machinery, and work with a 'lighter' pgm. I used to do
that in 3.0 and 3.1 (where the 'monolingual' also could
handle Hebrew, but not several non-Roman lanaguges together).
If you are interested, have a look at my NB-HRC01.ZIP, where
you will find fonts, screens for switching, etc.

My contention is that working with Greek, Russian, Hebrew.,etc.,
accessible all the time is not what one would like to have ALL
THE TIME. So switching from the multilingual module to a
mono (and hopefully bilingual) module is most desirable.

NBLINGUA enables you to cancel the NBLINGUA mode going through
SET-symbol set, then choose ASCII. This is fine indeed. But
when I then try to go back to MULTILINGUAL mode through the
same screen, I am requested to insert the installation diskette.
I wonder if this is what all of you experience. If I am
wrong, then switching IS possible in this new version.
If I am right, then it is not.

A word of warning, throigh: before trying, copy NB.COM
to a safe place. If you can't switch back to NBLINGUA through
the screen, quit, copy this NB.COM back to your NB 4.0
subdirectiry, and reload. No harm done.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:10:06 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Lingua and Trident VGA
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I can echo Bill TeBrake's encouragement to Marilyn Edelstein not
to let the installations problems reported here for NB4 deter her
from biting the bullet and doing it. Once I got some space
cleared out on my hard disk, I first installed my whole upgrade
package (NB4, Lingua, Orbis, and Ibid) on my partitioned hard
disk. I put NB4 etc. into a separate directory on drive D,
leaving 3.1 and Ibid on drive C. I used my original diskettes in
drive B during the installation rather than send the installing
program to 3.1 in drive C. The installation went like a charm.
The only problem came when I rebooted my system and tried to call
up NB4. I got nothing but a screen full of garbage (mainly lines
of a single character, one of the box corner characters, as I
recall). Remembering that someone had said that Lingua was
reported not to be compatible with the Trident VGA chip, I erased
all files in my NB4 directory and reinstalled NB4 without Lingua
(and also without Orbis and Ibid). Since then I have been happily
exploring the new features of NB4. I suppose that I could install
Orbis and Ibid without problem, though I haven't tried. To use
Lingua, it appears that I will have to junk my Trident card. But
that presents a problem. When the system board in my Gateway 2000
386SX went kaput, I replaced it a DTK board and my ATI WonderCard
no longer worked. That is why I'm using a Trident VGA display. If
not an ATI card, what video card would be a good choice?

QUESTION: Is anyone successfully using Lingua with a Trident
TVGA-8900LC2 or similar model Trident card?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:09:58 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 arrival &c
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

In response to Tom Settle:

First, I did not roundly castigate anybody in particular--he no doubt
failed to notice that I removed *any* names or other personal
references from my message.

Second, I continue to find ill-informed doomsaying in regards to NBI's
future to be an most noisome pastime.

Third, I find the phrase "self appointed high inquisitor" to be a
perfect example of the personal aspersions I was decrying.  Methinks
he doth protest too much...

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
From: DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Dorothy Day)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene
Subject: RE: NB4 mailing
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:52:56 GMT
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Mike Agnes suffers in non-silence over the non-arrival of his NB4
package. I suspect the clinker in the order is Ibid+, which boots him
to the end of the list along with me. I really do believe it will come
(even expect a UPS truck's arrive to be the Very One--though not so,
so far), but having seen the betas, I may be more sure of what's
coming and hence less impatient (or should I be more impatient?)

My reading of Ed Mendelson's partisanship for NB is that he really
thinks it's better than All The Rest, which he sees all around him in
more depth than most of us. I work with users of the Others a lot, and
while there's occasionally a function (graphical) that I could use in
NB that isn't there, by and large the others drive me to distraction.
I simply can't edit as quickly in any other package I know of.
And lately, I've been impressed anew at how Very Slowly most Mac
applications load, even on pretty fast, powerful new IIsi's, IIci's,
IIcx's with plenty of memory...

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 16:26:34 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      NB 4.0 - TOC with virtual page numbers
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I was very impressed by the innovations in NB 4.0 TOC.
There are various new codes/deltas with which you get
much easier control of the TOC variables than in previous
versions. However, I was disappointed that one of the
best adds-on I've ever written for NB, creating TOC
with virtual page numbers, has not been integrated into NB 4.0.
I hardly ever use the regular numebrs TOC any more;
when you change your text, or use a different format,
or a different printer, you must re-do the whole thing,
which is exasperating, esp. for large manuscripts.

I have now decided to try and customize once more this simple
utility in NB 4.0. The procedure this time is even simpler
than it was before, because happily NBI have not encrypted
this time the process: it's all in NB.HLP. I therefore had to
add various segments in a number of places, and the feature
seems to work.

To make matters easier for prospective users, I've written
an XPL pgm to make the whole installation. So all one has to
do is make an extra copy of NB.HLP (renaming one copy),
call it to screen, then run the program.

If anybody is interested in testing this (I am not yet putting
it in any archive, because it hasn't been fully debugged),
please drop me a line (B10@taunivm / B10@vm.tau.ac.il).

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:35:49 BST
From:         M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: NB4 Video and Screensavers
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

> I would certainly appreciate a copy of DIMMER.COM. Thanks for offering it.
>
> Robert Lavenda     lavenda@msus1

Paul,

I second that request!

Mateen Elass (m.a.elass@uk.ac.durham)
Dept of Theology, Univ of Durham
From: robin@UTAFLL.UTA.EDU (Robin Cover)
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Subject: Huddle in SF
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:32:16 GMT
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Paul -

I'm Program Chair for the Computer Assisted Research Group (CARG), so
I should be willing to help you feel comfortable.  CARG always has a
dedicated room (don't have my schedule here just now), so the huddle
could happen there, or begin there, so long as it does not conflict
with a demonstration or one of the three main sessions.

Get back to me on a private line (you and whoever want to do this)
and we'll work out something.  It would help if other AAR/SBL
interested persons would coordinate w/ Paul perhaps at this
point, since I'm swamped.

Steve and Deborah have been at AAR/SBL from the beginning of time, it
seems (that's 1984 about), but I don't see their NBI name in the
program this year.  Their booth is typically flooded, attracting human bodies t
that block the aisle forever.  'Twould be sad to have them miss this
year.

rcc

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From: RMB@CUNYVMS1.BITNET (Robert Braham)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 20:01:44 GMT
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>From: J.BERG@ACAD.SUFFOLK.EDU

>I have another question--I cannot find anything in the documentation
>about the old STARTUP.INT file. Can I just copy it into NBSTART.INT
>[if I remember the new name right], or is it more complicated?

As far as I know both nbstart.int and startup.int are plain old
XPL files, so there should be no problem w/ the settings (although
I must say I can't be too helpful on whether some syntax of the
settings, eg, "default xx," etc., are the same).  I did find
that of the stuff I had in startup.int--default paths for
Ibid, loading up personal spellers and phrase libraries, change
directories, etc.--almost all of them aren't required: these
procedures are all set through various branches of the SET
tree, and written to NBCUSTOM.set.

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From: B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics)
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Subject: Re: Symbol set switching
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:27:55 GMT
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              16 Oct 92 16:20:25 -0400 from <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Re: Steve Siebert and switching

I am puzzled by Roy's report that Steve was able to make
the switch back without installation. I have gone through
the HELP files (NB.HLP and NBSETUP.HLP), and could not find
any trace of non-installatory return. There are, of course,
codes I haven't been able to decipher (many OV codes are
inaccessible). The matter is really intriguing.
I would really appreciate it if NBLINGUA users would test this
and let us know.

Itamar
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:21:53 EST
From:         Harold Sjursen <HSJURSEN@POLYVM>
Subject:      Chinese and Nota Bene
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Has anyone had any experience using ETEN with NB?  It is said to work
with most DOS applications, but I would like to be sure about its
success with NB before I lay out the money.

Thanks in advance.

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From: sanjay@KIN.LAP.UPENN.EDU (Sanjay Sinha)
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Subject: Notabene and Georgian
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:25:03 GMT
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The specific problem being faced by me is -

Get Notabene to work with the Georgian language.

From the news I have been following here, it seems that it is
possible to modify the screen fonts or simply subsititute the files.
Can someone please point me the right direction as how to go about it.
It seems there are certain programs which will take a certain screen font
file and allow us to modify it. I was of the opinion that I copy a existing
screen font file and then make changes to it.

Since keyboard assignments are ((easy)), I was planning to use a
phonetic keyboard .
I have NB version 3 and SLS.
I also have the long awaited verison 4 with Lingua.
I have access to Fontographer and Fontmonger.

I am aware of my limitations in expressing myself in written english,
and hope I have been reasonable clear.
Please feel free to ask for clarifiactions.

Thanks
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From:         VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL
Subject:      Re: large files into smaller ones
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As promised, I wrote a (dos) utility called NBCLIP01 that chops
notabene files in x pieces (CLIP01, CLIP02, etc.) but preserves
the NB paragraph format, so that files remain readable and easily
mergeable again. It works for any size of file that fits your DOS
memory (or if you put it on a large RAM disk, any file that will
fit there). Takes about a minute to chop up a 1 Mb file. I'll
send the program to Itamar for his critical examination and
possibly for distribution.

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl
For Notabene messages: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl

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Organization: Emory University - Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:26:11 EDT
From:         "David H. Hesla" <ILADHH@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      NB4.0 AND HELP
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O frabjous day, I suppose. . . .
I count 130 headings offered by the NB4.0 HELP screen (FILE has 16, EDIT 13
etc.).  Some of these have as many as ten subheadings.  If one takes five as th
the average, that is still 650 operations, some of which affect the operation o
of others.  This does not take into account NB4.0's interaction with LINGUA,
ORBIS, or the IBID.s.  Pondering this I have a little more patience with the
slowness of the shipping, more admiration for the skill of programmers, and mor
more doubts as to the wisdom of transferring to authors the tasks once per-
formed by editors, typesetters, and linotype operators.  Little wonder thatk
NOTABENE itself is so important.  Could even Borges's Funes have mastered all
the details?


DAVID H. HESLA
GRADUATE INSTITUTE OF THE LIBERAL ARTS
EMORY UNIVERSITY
ATLANTA GA 30322
ILADHH@EMUVM1
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