HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: priv.au namespace
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  3 Sep 92 04:52:08 GMT

kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:
 >Which is all why some basically meaningless "ident" is a reasonable
 >idea - if there's any (particular) meaning there then they aren't
 >all essentially equal, and people will want some particular one over
 >others.  With random names (even though they're not nice) there should
 >not be any particular reason to prefer one over another - some individuals
 >may prefer one, some another, but in general they should all be roughly
 >equal.

I think there is some merit here, from an administrative point of
view.  However, I believe that the address should contain some kind
of useful mnemonic (whoever requests the address should know what
constitutes "useful").

An address like "F76xm42gZ@priv.au" means absolutely nothing to
anyone.  Until the use of Organization:, nslookup, mail aliasing, etc.
is commonplace, I think the idea of meaningless names should be
ditched.  It sounds like a lot less work for one person, and a hell
of a lot more work for everyone else.

Also, isn't "priv.au" a slight misnomer?  Can't think of any alternatives,
though.


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Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: gnb@duke.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Transition away from .oz.au (was Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem)
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:33:25 GMT
	<jwb.714802730@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> <ggm.714811073@brolga>
	<9224017.23317@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia

>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 07:48:17 GMT, kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) said:

kre> Similarly, while registering in oz.au is trivially easy, you just
kre> have to make your node visible on ACSnet - you do have to do that,
kre> if you're not visible, then an oz.au MX won't be installed.  (Visibility
kre> can be achieved by either actually connecting to ACSnet using MHSnet
kre> or SunIII, or by connecting, directly or indirectly, to an ACSnet site
kre> and getting them to broadcast a connection to you over ACSnet).

What sort of options are available for sites that move away from
SUN-III transport?  You can start using new .com.au names in outgoing
mail etc, but a lot of people know and use the old .oz.au one.  Will
the MX czar allow .oz.au MX records to remain in this case?  What else
will I need to arrange?

Greg.
--
Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia
``USL has never sold long distance.  You're going after the wrong men in black 
  hats.  (Or, in the case of Plan 9, black space suits)'' - Tom Limoncelli
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

I just noticed this thread, and as the president of BrisNet, I should say a
few things about it.  As George Michaelson indicated, we have applied for
not-for-profit status, which should be forthcoming.  We have also registered
(and paid for) our MX with AARNet/AVCC.  The MX hasn't appeared in the DNS as
yet, probably because we aren't "official" with Prentice as yet, and George is
reluctant to set up the name on bunyip until we are official (understandably).

Some testing has been taking place, and we try as much as possible to set our
Reply-To lines to the percent path George mentioned.  The mentioned article
must have slipped through the cracks, or the software the replier was using
didn't understand Reply-To lines.  I'd like to see the original message if it
is still available.

BrisNet will be offering UUCP connections and dial-in mailboxes at the low
end of the market in the Brisbane area - private individuals with little cash
to spend getting a feed directly through the "big boys".  I have further
information available on BrisNet that I can send to people via e-mail if they
wish.

Sorry about the confusion, but as I said, we are waiting on Prentice.

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Reply-To: G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:55:40 GMT

In article <ggm.714811073@brolga>, ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
|> I think that if somebody claims to be an outfit, pays money to become legally
|> known as that outfit, and fronts to buy an MX, then once Geoff/Peter accept
|> it, surely we can't refuse at that point to give them an MX?

Exactly - if the application comes through the pipes in the usual way then
they enter the namespace.

Geoff
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:53:19 GMT

In <1992Aug26.143358.28814@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:

| OK here's my 2 cents, why not combine the two and have:

| 	node.state.priv.au
| 	eg:
| 	node.vic.priv.au

Because I'd prefer not to have anything geographic in the name at all,
or not for a private system that is quite likely at some time to decide
to relocate to some other state.   Not because anything would need to alter
if that happened, but because people would always wonder why the system
belonging to someone living in Melbourne is called bloggs.wa.priv.au
or something - there'd be a lot of pressure (and perhaps some people
thinking it was necessary) to change the name to bloggs.vic.priv.au
which is the very thing that shouldn't be necessary.

| Could you really see the demand getting that big that you'd want
| a seperate letter to break them up?

Even if it was divided based on states - yes - I'd hate to be the poor
sucker stuck with the job of maintaining a list of every home computer
in Melbourne, let alone the rest of the state.

| What about the private (or some anyway) systems in the .pub.uu.oz.au
| domain?

I don't want to even think about that lot - other than to say that
as far as the oz.au domain goes they're fine.

| ps: whatever happened to the great aus.* news reorg? :)

One day, one day...

kre
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:50:45 GMT

In <jwb.714788292@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:

| rob@contempt.brisnet.org.au

| All attempts to reply result in a bounce. Can anyone help?

That's my fault (in a sense) - I've been unable to convince myself
that brisnet.org.au belongs as an org.au domain, so I haven't
registered it.   You can probably get there if you explicitly route
via bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au

While I'm here, the problem ...

This is one of a group of similar domains, which is really a placeholder
for personal (home) systems, which is something not currently covered
in our naming scheme, and which should be.   I don't think that
inventing "organisations" and registering them in org.au is the way
to go.

I have no great idea on what is though - with the obvious caveat that
it should be something distributed (e: all the home systems in Aust
shouln't get lumped into one domain) and which allows for more and
more separation of responsibility as the demand grows.

I'm not much enamoured of geographic domains (as name.town.state.us)
especially in that rigid format, but nor am I sure what else is
better, perhaps just "a.priv.au" or something, where "a" is just
a random letter of the alphabet chosen just to divide up the
domains into groups (could be multi letter eventually, or even
immediately if there's a reason).

Suggestions welcome.

kre
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: priv.au namespace (was Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:33:28 GMT

In <1992Aug31.194310.5101@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:

| The point that I was trying to make wasn't about MX's, it was about
| AARNet. Would AARNet (Geoff etc) accept a single priv.au domain, with
| it's members, however split up coming up with the $1,000, or would they 
| be greedy and want members of domains *below* priv.au (not talking 
| about MX's here at all kre :) ), to come up with $1,000 each.

You still don't understand, as soon as you mention names/domains/mx's
or anything like that in the context of aarnet fees you're off the track.

What I think you want to ask is whether AARNet will allow a group of
otherwise unrelated sites/organisations/people to join together for
the sole purpose of paying a combined fee to aarnet rather than each
paying separately, and if so, under what conditions?

| while the whole domain (ie: priv.au) might become unmanagable
| compared to the gain (to AARNet) of providing it. 

AARNet has nothing to do with providing domains, or the DNS, or
anything else - AARNet (mostly) provides communications capacity
(ie: wires & routers).

The issue of managing the DNS for a site is something for which whoever
is doing it might reasonably charge (uunet does that for example, if
you're not a client of theirs in the usual way, paying for data transfer,
you can still get them to manage your DNS domain, for which they charge
a small annual fee).

| Perhaps it's time Geoff or Peter put in a word here?

Perhaps.

kre
From: markd@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Delany)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:43:32 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.pub.uu.oz.au

kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:

>Please, someone suggest one - but first work out what it should be
>a mnemonic for ...

Absolutely. Domain names often convey useful information, let's not
have names that are random for the sake of avoiding a possible
inconvenience.

>I'd really prefer not to do the state based thing, as I would like

In many senses, the administrative orientation of domain addresses
does in fact represent a geographic/topological region. Eg. It is hard
to imagine .au being anywhere but Australia or .monash.edu.au being
anywhere but Victoria (although that my come).

I'm certainly no advocate of geographic domains in general, but in the
cases where there is no sensible administrative overlay, perhaps
geographic is the next best thing?


>people's mail addresses to remain unchanged should they move from
>miserable Melbourne to sunny Qld or such ... sticking "vic" or something
>in the address means that people either want to change it, or it seems
>stupid (even if it works just fine) after the move.

Perhaps the 'cost' that non-administrative domain users 'pay' is that
their domain name has to change if they move topologically?

In general, given:

	o	the small number of sites

	o	the small amount of inbound traffic to such systems in
		the sense of number of different originators

	o	the frequency of moves to sunny QLD from miserable Vic
		(hmm, maybe this will be high)

It should not present too much confusion if fred.vic.au is actually in
QLD during it's name transition to fred.qld.au. Especially since it's
likely so infrequently!



--
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                                        (Soon to be markd@werple.apana.org.au
					 and I'm still in miserable Melbourne!)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:37:53 GMT

kre is not completely correct in writing off brisnet as a bunch of home
addresses. they have applied to the qld courts to register as a not-for-profit
organization and will be a legal entity, capable of entering into binding
contracts. 

I think that if somebody claims to be an outfit, pays money to become legally
known as that outfit, and fronts to buy an MX, then once Geoff/Peter accept
it, surely we can't refuse at that point to give them an MX?

I agree that individuals require some kind of reggo method, I dont think
brisnet is a good basis to argue the point.

On a more technical note, although this link works via a node called
meteor at present, until I receive the goahead from my computer centre
director I will NOT accept *.brisnet.org.au as a valid destination. Meteor
works because we are testing the link. They claim to be the MX name they
applied for, but I wont accept it yet.

I'd mail to user%wherever%meteor@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au If I were you...

	-George

--
                         George Michaelson
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                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: smac@iconix.oz.au (Stuart McCormack)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:01:03 GMT

In <1992Aug25.035217.25758@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au> Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au> writes:

>Never underestimate the resolution of a (spy) satellite photo.  The
>exact resolution has never been disclosed but I've heard anecdotal
>evidence to say it's about 10cm.  In that case the scenario depicted
>in Patriot Games (namely identifying a person not so much by their
>face but by their body characteristics matching one of a known set)
>is quite reasonable.

>Remember that the SR-71 Blackbird reconnaisance planes (which could
>reportedly photograph golf balls from their cruising altitude
>of somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000 feet) were taken out of
>service because a) they were expensive and b) the satellites could do
>just as good a job.

First off, add about 30,000 ft to the cruising altitude of the SR-71's
( which are now, unfortunately, out of service. Pity, an amazing
aircraft. )

REAL-TIME high resolution imaging can only be achieved optically. The
largest CCD I know of is 3K x 2K x 12 bits monochrome, costs around
US$500,000 ( flawless ), and takes at least 2 seconds to drain the
image from the CCD.

To get a close up, real-time image requires very, very good optics and
a better than average CCD or tube. I doubt that this method is used
often, however, as it's very hard to get a satellite to stay where
you want it.

I believe that the usual method is to use a high resolution LINE SCAN
( one dimensional ) CCD. Because these devices are one dimensional
they are much easier to fabricate than the array species and could
easily be extended to significant resolutions ( say > 16K ).

The method used is to point the camera out the bottom of the satellite
and then "drag" it across the landscape using the satellites motion
to provide the second dimension. ( Just like a fax machine, only
crunchy. )

Like you I have no idea what resolution is achieved, but we've played 
around with some de-classified 8K x 8K images out here and one, of
Chernobyl, shows guys lugging around boxes and you can almost read
the labels on the boxes.

Pretty speccy stuff, but.

	smac

Newsgroups: aus.films
From: schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller)
Subject: Twin Peaks fans look here!
Summary: I would like to contact other twin peaks fans/groupies etc.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:57:01 GMT

I am a huge fan of the series Twin Peaks and would like to hear from other
fans of the TV series and up and coming film. If you would like to mail me
I would be very pleased. So all you T.P. fans out there send in a message to NN or to me!
	One question: Does anybody know where to get the last series on video?
	Another     : Has anyone actually been to Twin Peaks?  
	One more.   : Does anyone have a complete listing of all the books and  other merchandise available from the show? 

	So if you think it is one of the best television series' ever made then why communicate with others who do! (There aren't many of us!)

		Wayne Schuller . Schuller@mullauna.mu.cs.OZ.AU.
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: smac@iconix.oz.au (Stuart McCormack)
Subject: Who's got a strong stomach?
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:23:06 GMT

G'day.  Spent a couple of hours last night watching Catch Fire.
Not a bad cast; Joe D Foster, Charlie Sheen ( probably his best
ever part ), whosit Pesci, Dennis Hopper, et al.

Anyway, it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen ( although
the first 15 mins is worth watching just for the Charlie Sheen
part; his agent should have sued ) and so I'm interested in 
finding out how it ended up. ( Not so interested that I'd want
to sit thru it again but. )

Does Hopper "hit" the mafia guys and they all live happily ever
after? Naw.  Does he hit them and have Jodi hit him? Naw. Does
it suddenly turn completely around, become well scripted and
tightly acted and add a bit of spice to the supposedly erotic
bits? Naw. Does it just wind off the end of the tape? Hmm.

Anyway, does anyone know what happened.  Neatest correct entry
wins the QIKEZE award for 1992.

	smac
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks fans look here!
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:23:07 +1200
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9224413.21477@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:
> I am a huge fan of the series Twin Peaks and would like to hear from other
> fans of the TV series and up and coming film. If you would like to mail me
> I would be very pleased. So all you T.P. fans out there send in a message to NN or to me!
> 	One question: Does anybody know where to get the last series on video?
> 	Another     : Has anyone actually been to Twin Peaks?  
> 	One more.   : Does anyone have a complete listing of all the books and  other merchandise available from the show? 
> 
> 	So if you think it is one of the best television series' ever made then why communicate with others who do! (There aren't many of us!)
> 
> 		Wayne Schuller . Schuller@mullauna.mu.cs.OZ.AU.

You are aware of the alt.tv.twinpeaks newsgroup, I trust.
Just making sure...

Richard.

Newsgroups: aus.films
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  4 Sep 92 02:47:29 GMT

In <1992Sep3.045722.20083@cs.uow.edu.au> u9245340@cs.uow.edu.au (Nicholas Daniel Boyle) writes:

>bullshit... the SR-71 Blackbird's crusing altitude is more like 100,000 to
>120,000 feet because anyone can shoot down a plane at 30,000 feet that is
>NORMAL crusing altitude for a jumbo.... SR-71's can only achieve the speeds
>they do because there is no wind resistance that far up.... thus the 
>resolution of the photos would have to pretty good for anyone to see anything.

SR-71s could achieve their speed partially because the atmosphere is 
much thinner up there, but also because they've got one heck of a lot
of thrust, plus some very clever variable-nozzle intakes on their
engines. They could probably get to not dissimilar speeds down around
the 60000 ft mark.

And yes, the resolution of the photos is pretty good. But don't forget,
they were using aerial photography in WW1, and have been constantly
working on it since then. With cameras with focal lengths in feet it
is quite easy to have useful resolution down to a decimeter or so.
It is dependent on atmospheric conditions - with a heavy ground haze 
you would lose a lot of information. But image processing could regain
some of that for you.

regards,
-- 
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From: u9245340@cs.uow.edu.au (Nicholas Daniel Boyle)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:50:34 GMT

cmg@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Chris Gersch) writes:

>There were ridiculous things like satellite photos of terrorist camps.
>Fair enough, you say, but in these photos you could make out people's
>faces!

>The person I saw it with said that during the Gulf war, he read an article
>in the paper (probably the Age) that said the American satellites could 
>detect the difference between 3 oranges sitting on a runway, and 2. Yeah right.

i haven't seen patriot games but i heard that they used the cia's computer
image enhancement system to blow up those fotos.... apparently that sort of 
thing is possible with fuzzy logic supercomputers

-- 
-===========================================================================-
          Nick Boyle u9245340@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
  Strike any user when ready  | Strike any Guns & Roses guitarist when ready
-===========================================================================-
From: MATMNB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BRAZIL,Marcus N)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: The Player
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:37:24 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22


In <1992Aug19.085140.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> matap@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:

> > I did particularly like the reference to the worlds longest tracking shot,
> > during an even longer tracking shot.
> > -- 
> > Harry the Dirty Dog		"That's one...small step...for a six foot dog...
> 
> Are you talking about the opening shot?  Was it really longer than the 
> shots in Hitchcocks Rope?  (I've heard there are only seven shots in Rope.)

From memory, the references in The Player were to long _opening_ tracking shots
in films. Rope actually has a fairly short opening shot. The only 
non-disguised cut in the film, a cut from an exterior shot to an interior
shot of the student being strangled, occurs only two or three minutes into the
film.
     ......Marcus Brazil.....
Newsgroups: aus.films,soc.singles,soc.couples
From: probst@selkirk.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: Film suggestions welcomed
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:27:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.015425.21528@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au> Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au> writes:
>In article <dld.715330512@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> Film date,
>dld@cs.monash.edu.au writes:
>>   Hello, humanity.   I am looking for a film to take a fairly new lady
>>friend of mine to.  So far, we've only had a couple of lunches and a
>phone
>>call or 2 or 3.  Something with either some "humanitarian" meaning or
>comedy
>>would be nice.  I am inclined not to opt for an "adventure" film at this
>
>In article <3053@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> Ross Howden,
>ross@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU replies:
>>Try "Strictly Ballroom" it is very entertaining and has a lot of
>unexpected 
>>humour. The old cine newsreel that shows with it in the city is also
>worth
>>a look.
>>Lets not forget to support Australian films  .
>
>Who cares if it's Australian, it's a wonderful film.  And with cross
>platform applicability (so to speak).  Definitely recommended
>for that "mission critical film experience".
>
not an aus film, but try _thunderheart_. it's really funny, and very 
powerful. the subject is quite serious, though - making a number of
headlines in north america right now.

scotty - the voice of the catholic church  <now that my machine doesn't
                                            put up my sigfile any more>

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