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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Cleveland GP Results and IndyCar stuff
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:29:26 GMT

In article <183113@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>Jay C. Smith writes:
>
>>AW says CART/IndyCar's '93 schedule may include a street race in Houston,
>>and there is talk of a '94 schedule with a January race in Brazil, followed
>>by a race at a new North Miami course before setting off for Australia.  The
>>season would end in early September.  
>
>Say what?  What is going to happen to Laguna Seca's traditional October date?
>I believe that LS has had an October race since the start (~1957) and can't 
>see them moving the IndyCar race up that far.  Or does this mean LS is going
>to lose the IndyCar event to North Miami or Brazil. :-(
>

Not to worry Dan.  LS will continue on the schedule in years to come,
mark my word.  I wouldn't put too much worry out about Houston or North
Miami also, at least in the next couple of years.  Brazil is another
thing though, and I really believe that it'll be the next 'furrin'
country which IndyCar will go into.

I hear scuttlebutt surrounding the continuation of the Vancouver event
after this year, and that'd open up a date.  And don't forget about the
Manhattan race scheduled for next July.  That current bruha surrounding
the Marlboro sponsorship of the event between the public interests
groups and the City of New York will be a real battle in the upcoming
months.  Right now, I'd give it about a 50-50 chance of happening (I
should've been a weatherman  - non-committal) :-)

I've said it before - I DON'T LIKE street races, but have to accept them
anyhow.  If the date for a permanent track is dumped in favor of some
wealthy promoter(s) wanting to throw up concrete walls on city streets
to put on a race - well I think that's a travesty.

Remembering Denver.....

-c'ball-
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Subject: Senna & Prost to Williams. Mansell retires.
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 00:16:54 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Sorry, the subject line is not the news.
It's just what I think.
Now that Mansell has won the world championship finally,
he will not want to fight for a seed in the Williams.
Especially, as Williams looks like preferring both Senna and Prost
over Mansell.
 
Frans
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Hungarian GP trivia
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:45:08 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

From the Motoring News ...

Martin Brundle lost 6th gear after 40 laps, which made it easy for
Schumacher to repass him on the straight.

Mauricio Gugelmin on his Yamaha engine:

  "I lost fuel pressure with 40 laps to go.  The shitty thing was down
   on revs and had a misfire.  It doesn't go and still you have problems!"

Some people from Engine Developments (run by John Judd) were with the
Jordan team at a recent test at Silverstone, and at the race in Hungary.  
There is a rumour that they will be helping Yamaha with a totally new 
engine for 1993/4.

Perry McCarthy on being let out for the last 45s of the prequalifying session:

  "I had a big wobbly about it, I'm afraid.  I've tried to be patient 
   all year because I understand the team's situation, but there was 
   just no need for this.  I think they are all aware of the full range 
   of Anglo-Saxon words now!"

Scuderia Italia and Lola are going to collaborate for next year.  Lola
will design and manufacture the cars in the UK around Ferrari engines.
Scuderia Italia will then run the cars from their factory in Italy.
Eric Broadly,founder of Lola, stressed that it was a true partnership
and not a customer-supplier relationship like the one with Larousse.

At the end of the race Mika Hakkinen's tyres were in better shape than
any of the other cars which went through the race without a tyre stop.
Hakkinen matched the three points he got in Hungary with three points
on his license and a 100 pound fine in Towcester Magistrates Court for
speeding on the way to the race at Silverstone.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: bob@tv.tv.tek.com (Bob Wakehouse)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RALLYE: ANOTHER FIAT ANSWER
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:59:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR

Karl Brown asks:

> I just purchased a 1980 Fiat Spider 2000, and noticed that the right
> rear back-up light was not working.  I checked all the fuses and
> replaced the bulb, but it still does not work.  Does anyone have any
> idea of what else I can check?  Thanks!

I have a 79 Spider, and feel compelled to respond.  Email bounced and the
only newsgroup the original article was posted to was rec.autos.sport, so
I'm going to add to the crop of inappropriate posts.  First, however, I'll
mention that rec.autos.sport is NOT a newsgroup for sports cars.  It is a
newsgroup for automotive sports (generally, racing).  Also, I don't think
the question needs to be asked all around the world at this point (maybe
if there's no response in a week or two), so this reply's staying in the
country.  You might want to post your question in rec.autos.tech (only),
distributed to usa (only).

So anyhow, the answer is (perhaps):

As I recall from adventures with my '79, the backup light has its bulb 
socket soldered to the taillight circuit board, which contains most of
the rear lights.  I had many problems with the sockets on the boards, until
I gave up and replaced the circuit-board/bulb-socket assemblies.  I think
they were about $25-40 each.  Now I have only occasional problems with the
bulb sockets.  I think those assemblies are just cheaply done and don't stand
up well to age.  Or vibration.  Or dust.  Or rust.  Generally speaking, they
don't hold up well to rallying, for example.

Which brings to mind some insider's comment, moons ago, regarding the Fiat
Spider factory rallye cars which served as bridesmaids to the Lancias for
a portion of the '70s: "The Spiders have proved to be very reliable cars.
Of course, they have to be completely rebuilt from scratch after each event."

Good luck.

Bob Wakehouse
bobw@tv.tv.tek.com
Aloha, Oregon
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Driver-owned teams; are they the best?
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:48:48 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <1992Aug20.015631.8313@dracut.keps.kodak.com> rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts) writes:

>Once he built his first car in 1947, I don't believe Chapman drove anybody
>else's cars!

He was either 4th driver, or test driver for Vanwall for at least 1 GP
although I don't know if he actually started.

>But as far as F1 goes, Chapman had drivers working for him by the time
>he got 'round to F1.

True 'nuff. Did the Team Lotus drivers ever drive any of the Galaxies
that revolutionised British Saloon car racing in the early 60s?


regards
-- 
thos cohen  				       |Softway Pty Ltd
 The best way to make a Japanese engineer wince|ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
 is (when talking about an NSX) to say slowly  |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
 'but its _not a Ferrari_ is it?' R.Bulgin, CAR|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: On Board Cameras
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:34:00 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug19.080609.11921@hplb.hpl.hp.com> rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com writes:
>
>	I don't understand. Why do they go to all the trouble of fitting
>	On Board Cameras to several cars in different positions, and 
>	imposing an extra weight limit for those without one, when in a 
>	2 hour GP all you see is a quick few seconds glimpse through them ?
>
>	Cheers,
>
>		RIK
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Rik O'Chet, Bristol, England.		
>Email: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com		One's never alone with a Rubber Duck !
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My thoughts -exactly- !!  It is SO aggravating to have that view 

 (a) displayed for <= 6 seconds and/or 
 (b) blocked by having the latest race standings displayed via character
     generator on top of it as they go to commercial.

REALLY ticks me.  This happens in all the forms of televised racing here
(drag racing doesn't count - the race is -over- in <= 6 seconds :))

       +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +
       Brian Jackson    Amiga Networking Group, Commodore-Amiga Inc.
                        bj@cbmvax.commodore.com
     {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!bj    or   networking@cbmvax.commodore.com
 "Pennsylvania - Land of (really) Bad Drivers."   Uva uvam vivendo varia fit 
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From: vincent@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Jean-Francois Vincent)
Subject: Villeneuve and Villeneuve at Trois-Rivieres
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:29:11 GMT

So on the starting grid for tomorrow: (From what I can remember)
1- Stewart Crow
2- Christopher Smith
3- Charles Nearburg
5- Patrick Carpentier   (See previous posting)
7- Claude Bourbonnais
11- Jacques Villeneuve
12- Jacques Villeneuve

Sorry, I don't remember which Jacques will be 11 and 12.   :(

I can assure you that it'll be an exciting race with the fastest men starting
in the middle of the field and all those Quebecois.  (Oops, you already
guessed it, I am a Quebecois)

Well, that's about it!   I'll post you the results tomorrow after the race.

It's my first time I post here so if you have come backs for me or something
I did wrong, please e-mail me directly to tell me.   Thanks,

Jean-Luc       brousso@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Motorsport on TV
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 14:38:38 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:

> 
> Hey Andrew,
> 
> If you want to watch "loads" of motorsport then get a satellite system.
> Its 12.02am at the moment and i am taping F1 from Hungary.
> 
> 
> I can watch motorsport every night if i want.
> 
> Al
> 
>    GO BUY A SATELLITE EVERYBODY.

This is worse than calling a microwave oven a "microwave."

Satellite system is a reasonable description.  How about "satellite
receiver"?  Best, probably, is TVRO for "TV Receive Only".  Nice and
impressive is "earth station".

Nowadays, the kinds of satellites you are talking about cost hundreds
of millions of dollars.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh 

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Mansell and Prost
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:17:00 GMT


In article <961@pico.OZ>, conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake) writes:

|>Schumacher had been in that
|>battle but his rear wind exitted stage-left halfway down the main
|>straight after a shunt from Brundle.

It looked to me as if this occurred because Schumacher moved over on Brundle,
i.e., it was Schumacher's own fault that Brundle took his rear wing off.

--PSW
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:48:15 GMT

>
>for my money, the best part of the race was berger/schumacher/brundel/
>hakkinen, complete with the brief interlude with nigel.  nice of the
>broadcasters to pick up on _why_ michael schumacher's rear wing decided
>to part ways with him.

Have to agree.  It was a pretty good race there.

Good for old Nige.  I wonder if this marks the beginning of the end
of his last season?  Do I get the idea that Williams is considering a
completely new team for next year???

>
>i wonder if there were fisticuffs in the beneton pits later?

Kinda doubt it.  But I do think that Billy Bob's seat will be open at
the end of the year.  Schumacher's clearly earned his spurs. 

I wonder if Nige and Gerhard will be speaking.  Berger, for my tastes,
tried a little TOO hard to squeeze nige on the two times Nige passed him.
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
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Subject: I'm confused
From: Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:09:19 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

No you are not confused Bob just take two Asprins and that nasty smelly
noisy little German car will go away. I hope.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: F1 tires and teams
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:03:35 GMT

In article <9223117.26349@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> neoh@ee.mu.OZ.AU (cheow hee neoh) writes:

> i. How does a tire get blistered?

tires blister because of heat buildup in the layers of rubber under
the tread; the tread ends up separating in small localized areas directly
over these hot spots and starts coming off in pieces.

> And, can a tire return to its 'unblistered'
>    state if the driver takes it easy for the next few laps??

not if a tire is well and truly blistered.

richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Senna, Prost & Mansell
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:01:33 GMT

>Nicos Kontopoulos writes:
>>So I guess the drivers competition in 1993 will be within the Williams
>>drivers. And now for the historians: Has there been such a case in RECENT
>>years (after lets say the 70s)?
>
The 1984 McLaren team was THE championship race. Lauda vs. Prost. Lauda
won the WC by .5 points. This was Prost's OJT period. As I recall, the
racing was interesting. To borrow a phrase from Brundle, "I don't want
to sound Mansellish", but Prost and Senna are not Lauda.
-- 
Grayson Walker                                              AGWIII@fang.att.com
CHC, Maitland, FL                     Big brown river..... Tuli Kupferberg, 1964
From: bsherman@pyrxbooter.eng.pyramid.com (Brad Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR - Champion Spark Plug 400
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:13:52 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

The Champion Spark Plug 400 was a very good race.  It was odd to see
10 or so cars battling throughout the course of the afternoon.  

I realize that fuel economy has a great deal to do with a few team's
strategy but sometime's it difficult to watch cars that were strong
*all* afternoon lose to a much weaker car because of fuel economy.  I
guess if there weren't lots of strategy involved it would be a much
more boring sport.  My hat's off to Harry Gant's team for their strategy in
this area.  It has succeeded in moving him from fourth to third in the
overall points standing.

It was also good to see DW running *strong* at a superspeedway.  Might
this have something to do with his in-house engine program?  Has he
started using his own engines yet or is he still buying engines from
Hendrick Motor sports?  After watching him during the first half of
the season he seemed to never have the needed power; now all of the
sudden he does.

On a more humorous note, did anyone notice how the ESPN team got
tongue tied a lot?  The most notable quote of the afternoon came at
the end of the first lap when Benny Parsons said "Kulwicki wins the
first lap back to the fart/stinish, er start/finish line."

Brad
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Re: NASCAR at INDY??
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:27:57 EDT

Frankly, if there is a large group of people
who do NOT want NASCAR at Indy, so be it.
 
There are lots of other places ready, willing,
and able to add a Winston Cup race at a
moments notice, e.g. NHIS, Heartland Park
in Topeka, Milwaukee, heck even SANAIR
up in Quebec would be a possibility.
From: roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (roberto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Who will drive for Williams in 93?
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:26:10 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

I have just read some news in a Brazilian eletronic newspaper.

It says Prost has already signed and that this will be officially confirmed 
this weekend. It also says this was an imposition(?) by Renault and ELF.

It also says Frank Williams is trying to solve political problems in order 
to be able to sign Senna.
Believe it or not, the problem seems to be Marlboro which has been sponsoring 
Senna for some years and don't want to let him go for Camel again. 

Is there a possibility of a Senna/Prost in a Williams/Marlboro in 93?

Finally, it says the only possibility of Senna staying with McLaren is 
if Honda decides to stay in F1.

Roberto Barros.

PS- for the ones who can read portuguese, here is the original article.



ESPORTE
=======
. WILLIANS DA' PRIMEIRA CARTA NO JOGO DA F1.
  Ayrton depende da Marlboro para ser da Camel outra vez.
  As carta das mais importantes do mercado de pilotos e equipes foram
  jogadas nas duas semanas em que a F1 viveu na sombra da Olimpiada. A
  primeira grande definicao do ano deve ser anunciada ao publico no
  proximo final de semana. A Willians, melhor equipe do momento, abre os
  trabalhos. A equipe inglesa ja' garantiu a presenca de Alan Prost, a
  atendendo a imposicao financeira da Renault e da ELF. Frank Willians
  tenta agora desvendar o emaranhado de problemas comerciais para
  incluir no time o seu piloto predileto, Ayrton Senna.
  O principal obstaculo entre o brasileiro e a Willians e' a Philip
  Morris. Senna e' o piloto simbolo da terra de Marlboro ha' muito
  tempo. Seria um terremoto de marketing ve-lo vestir de novo a camisa da
  Camel. Ayrton ja' disse que seu futuro depende tambem de uma decisao da
  Honda. Se a casa japonesa decidir prolongar sua presenca na F1, entao
  Senna pode ate' ser forcado a rever seus planos de mudancas radicais,
  estudando uma permanencia na McLaren.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Economaki on PITSTOP
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:01:30 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.164552.14007@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|>
|>One thing I want to get to right up front, and those of you who
|>do not care for Chris as a TV commentator might want to consider
|>this for the future.  Perhaps it's his style in comparison with
|>today's style of analysts.  As a novice in this field right now,
|>he taught me a very quick lesson last night.
|>
|>Chris is a newspaper reporter, first and foremost.  His pet peeve
|>with others within the (especially TV field) is that the interviewer
|>is doing more of a personal commentary when in front of the camera
|>and trying to show off his knowledge of the sport.  By the time the
|>interviewer is finished with his comments, the driver being interviewed
|>has nothing more to add, so therefore just goes into the requisite
|>sponsor mentions.  The interviewer should hit the driver (or whomever)
|>with a question right up front and the interviewee should take it from
|>there.

A philosophy that I agree with.  I personally have never had any problem with
Chris Economaki on TV when he does interviews.  He's good at that.  My
problem has been when he tries to do play-by-play.  I think it takes a special
skill to listen to a producer yammering in your earplug while trying to watch
the race on a tiny monitor and talk intelligently about what's going on while
you're seeing it.  Varsha's not too bad at it, but Chris and Paul Page don't
posess the skill.

Chris's print articles are very good.

--PSW
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Reply-To: csroach@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:32:45 GMT

Does anyone out there know if, now that they've got the driver's title and a few more
points will win them the constructor's championship, Williams will bring out the
FW-15 for a few races?  If I read the rules changes correctly, all of this year's 
cars will be illegal next year, so unless Team Willy want the FW-15 to be a virgin
museum piece, they'll have to run it this year.  I know I want to see it.  


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu



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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Rahal Rumor
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:37:45 GMT

From article <1992Aug14.033431.13711@cbnews.cb.att.com>, by jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota):
> 
> More news from Columbus, they just announced on the news that there will
> be a news conference tomorrow morning (Friday the 14th) at Truesports.
> No details about what they are going to announce, but Barbara Trueman and 
> Bobby Rahal will be present ... hmmmmmm.

No word on the official announcement yet but this morning's paper
claims (from memory here) that Rahal will be leasing the Truesports
facility here in Columbus (actually Hillaird).  Red Roof Inns will 
become a partial sponsor of the Miller team.  The Truesports team will
be defunct.  Some personnel may be picked up by the Miller team to
fill in for people who don't want to leave Indy but no word on Pruett's
future.  As I recall, Pruett had just signed a multi-year contract with
Truesports.

There was no mention of MidOhio being part of the deal. 


"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
                                          AT&T Network Systems
                                          att!cbnews!nrc
                                          nrc@cbnews.att.com
From: dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donald Jackson Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren's newfound speed
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:28:27 GMT
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Re: All that jazz,

Autoweek's F1 correspondent (can't remember if it was Nigel Roebuck or
Alan Henry this week) explained McLaren's speed with the new fuel regs.
Apparently Elf - William's supplier - had a leg up on everybody in
brewing super fuels. When the regs mandated "pump" petrol, they lost the
most.

Way to go Nige - it's about bloody time!

Don
---
dp32@andrew.cmu.edu                     Gregory Peck/Hunter Thompson in '92. 
"We have bad news for you - Hell just froze over."
         - excerpt of a recent letter from home. 
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