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From: catapcnl@Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:16:57 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.004341.16421@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu  
(Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
:Since Marc Barrett has repeatedly pointed out that the Amiga's "lack"
:of Virtual Memory is a problem, I sent him the following info... it
:appears to me that the program described below is a rather sophisticated
:implementation of Virtual Memory, as far as it can be taken on the Amiga
:currently.
:
:It might be to C='s advantage to purchase this program and package it with
:the next version of the OS.
: {stuff deleted}
:The program has been released and is available in Germany under
:the name of `GigaMem'. It *requires* an Amiga with MMU (68020
:with 68851 or real 68030). GigaMem can make secondary memory 
:(e.g. space on a hard drive) available as primary memory (RAM).
:
:It's fully transparent, this means applications don't have to
:specify that they want virtual memory (e.g. with a MEMF_VIRTUAL
:flag for AllocMem), they just get it. That way, GigaMem is compatible
:with almost any existing application program. It even allows
:you to specify well-behaving programs and decides according to
:this information which programs will get virtual memory and which
:won't.
:-- 
:Martin A. Blatter - ICU
:blatter@ifi.unizh.ch, blatter@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
:
How does it work?  Does it involve detecting failed AllocMem() calls and then  
paging memory to disk, or does it manage itself without this sort of stuff).
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From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Presidential predictions Re: Perot?
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:50:30 GMT
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX

In article <dano.711761245@srl01> dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:
>[deleted]  Their 'CHANGE change CHANGE
>change CHANGE change CHANGE!' fanaticism will be turned on the Congress
>once they've been told the truth that the Congress is _the_ source of
>legislation in the U.S..  Not George Bush.  He *executes* the laws the
>Congress passes and he signs.  George Bush has no direct control over
>what money gets spent, raising taxes, regulations, etc.

This is a common cop-out espoused by Republicans.  While Congress is
indeed a serious problem, I really would like to see a President who
has the nerve to VETO any budget proposal which is _not_balanced_!

It may be naive of me to believe it, but I still think that Perot 
might actually have the audacity to do such a thing...

>[deleted]    What is a president to do? simply prevent the government
>from running?

Simply, yes.  You want to talk about breaking a gridlock in Congress?
Stop their paychecks!  Stop all government paychecks!  Then, you will
see ACTION out of the Congress which you never BELIEVED possible!

When they inevitably overrode the veto in favor of further deficit
spending, they would do so with Republican complicity.  Rather
than doing nothing and pointing fingers at one another, the stooges
would have to ANSWER TO THE VOTERS!!

>that there would be NO 'gridlock' if the Congress didn't keep preventing
>his *proposals* from going through (and then, of course, they slam him
>for 'inaction') and if George Bush had line-item veto powers (like many
>governors do)

The line item veto, proposed by so many, have its negative aspects
also.  In your post, you correctly explain that the Executive is to
*enforce* the laws.  The line item veto, in my opinion, gives the 
President too much influence in *making* the laws...

>
>My Popular vote predictions:
>
>George Bush:  55%
>Bill Clinton: 35%
>Ross Perot:   10%
>
>Indeed, I do think Ross Perot _will_ get such a large percentage.

I hope it's a lot more than that (say, 65% :^)).  Of course, were it
so, old H. Ross probably wouldn't live long enough to move into the
Presidential palace anyway...

Speaking of not living long enough, who could _seriously_ advocate
a ticket wherein there is even the remotest possibility that a
simpleton the likes of Dan Quayle could assume the Presidency?
(note NO smiley here!!)

	Dave Scharfe

P.S.  Hmm... Amiga advocacy, lets see...

Microsoft WinBlows... holding back science, and the sole reason Mankind
   has yet to achieve interstellar travel...
MacIntosh... rotten to the core, and overpriced because of those
   goddamn farm subsidies!
Next...  what's next?
Atari...  wait, isn't that a great game machine?

Amiga...  the computer for the creative mind!

There!  Now don't complain about the irrelevence of my post :^)
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:09:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>Marc - the problem with Amiga image processing software is that they should
>provide their own VM and should overlay the program, if needed, to make room.
>No general purpose VM scheme is going to be as fast or slick as a custom one
>designed for the App.
>

A-ha.  And how do they decide how much actual RAM to use?  This is a losing
argument, Mike.  OS features belong in the OS.

>
>Imagine the thrashing a GP VM algorithm does when you have 1Meg of real RAM
>and want to use 1Meg plus 128 bytes of VM.  You will be constantly paging
>in and out 128 byte blocks, spending lots of CPU time inside of VM routines,
>etc.
>

The "thrashing" you describe would only happen if your program kept looping
through and accessing the entire 1M+128 bytes.

My UNIX machine routinely overcommits memory (and by a lot more than 128
bytes!), and I've yet to see it *thrash*.  I've seen the Suns at work do this
once in a blue moon, and only when something went seriously wrong (like a 15MB
process which kept forking itself indefinitely).

>
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>
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From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:30:04 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <1992Jul27.131609.29947@crash.cts.com> hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson) writes:
>
>Go for it now, Skip. If the Amiga doesn't fit your needs then buy a computer
>that does. No one's stopping you.                                           
>
Hey John, this is comp.sys.amgia.advocacy!
				 ^^^^^^^^

Nat!
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From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:27:40 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <9402@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.145823.24015@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>>he visited a friend of his (I  know, I know, this sounds far fetched, but
>>>it will become clear) at work. His friend worked for DEC. Now, he said
>>>that the dude was working on an Clayton's AMiga 3000, that is, an Amiga 3000
> >>with a DEC badge on it. 
> >
> >I haven't seen this yet, but DEC already has PCs with DEC badges on them.
> >The lower end machines have the same cases as the Tandy PCs.
>
>And DEC Germany uses and sells PCs that remind me very much of Commodore PCs
>:-)

So Commodore's PCs are really re-badged Tandys?  :-)

>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>				   or  peterk@public.sub.org

Skip Sauls                 
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Rumor IS Real!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:39:17 GMT

peter@blade (Peter Korsten) writes:
: Talking about rumors: what the heck IS the Ranger? Or the AA chipset?
: I heard about the AA chipset, but how real is it?

It's as real as the falcon.  Once it's released, it'll be more real.  :)

Greg

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:53:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <62764@cup.portal.com> <mykes.0a6g@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>

>Seems like 99.9% of all cards you can get are ISA

I'll bet that statistic is entirely accurate.

Yet, by the same logic, there's no sense in getting an EISA bus either.

If the machines start to sell, I think you'll see more MCA cards come
out. 

Its just a heck of a lot more elegant and workable than trying to
figure out what interrupts are left after you've plugged in your
new SuperVGA card and Soundblaster, and then you have the nerve to
want a 3rd serial port.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Commodore's Reply
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:53:27 GMT

mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
:   Now honestly how many people disagree and really find it
:   MOST EXCITING time for an Amigan ?

A lot of users, and a WHOLE LOT of developers.

Greg

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:29:25 GMT

chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>Okay, so the A500 and 386 system have roughly the same price.  That meets
>>one of your comparison criteria.  They do not have roughly the same perform-
>>ance or capabilities.  You may as well compare 386 systems to component
>>stereo systems.
>
>That's gotta be just a little bit of a joke right?  I mean for the performance
>of RAW cpu, a 386 already matches up to a 030 processor, take for example of
>Mac ads on their POWERBOOKS, I think I have already posted the ad info before.
>Anyways unless your A600 is carrying a 030-16, it wouldn't be at the performance
>of a 386SX20.  

You are agreeing with my post.  Is that your point?

-- Gerald
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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:33:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <oleg.02tr@crumpet.cts.com> oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes:
>
>Bullshit. Both Democrats and Republicans have done a fair share of mud
>slinging, but Democrats are much more notorious for having run quite
>a few poltical machines, which did EVERYTHING to crush any opposition.
>As far as democratic mudslinging, let's take a closer look at the Anita
>Hill testimony, and the involvement of Democratic senatorial aides in it,
>or the Robert Bork hearings, or Judge Ginsburg. I won't even  mention the
>smearing of Ronald Reagan... Neither party can survive without the
>mudslinging since they are now virtually equivalent in philosophy.

(Note: I regret this already): Although both camps do tons of mud
slinging, the republicans are usually far more unified. When a
"Republican" bill goes through congress it is guaranteed to get
almost every republican vote. The democrats cannot manage to get
their members of congress to act so monolithically.

	And as to Anita Hill, while almost certainly it was a
democrat who leaked the story, that isn't really as relevant as
the fact that the democrats chose not to display all evidence and
just allow her to be crucified. Who was telling the truth? I
don't know. I tend to think her, but I could be wrong. But I
would be kidding myself if I thought that we were told the whole
story and given all the facts.
	-- Ethan
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave Hanie for C= Chairman of Board of Diretors! was Re: LET'S RESC
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:08:55 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul30.184708.4680@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> In article <Mike_Whalen.0kmq@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen) writes:
> >  Not to mention the fact that Commodore FIRED the original developers.
> >
> >  Why?
> >
> >  Does anyone know why?
>
>    They weren't fired; they merely left.  Commodore wanted to close the
> Los Gatos facility where the Amiga was developed, and consolidate operations
> at West Chester.  Since the majority of the Amiga dudes did not want to leave
> California and move to a boring edge of the woods right ouf of a Bob Newhart
> episode, they just left the company.  A few signed on later as temporary
> consultants, but the majority never had anything to do with Commdoore ever
> again.
>

The Los Gatos facility, or at least some form of it, was open well after
the original team members left.  The Amiga team never really finished what
they started, nor did they believe CBM doing most of the work in house would
be very rewarding.  Equally important is the fact that CBM bought Amiga Corp.
giving those Amiga guys a bunch of CBM stock in the process.  Once you have
a bunch of stock in an already public company, people tend to look for new
avenues...

>    I think this was the single biggest blunder on Commodore's part.  This is
> what caused the A2000 to be a piece of crud system compared to what it should
> have been; the A2000 was released almost two years after the A1000, and
> contained no improvements at all other than some slots.
>

CBM didn't blunder as much as you imply.  As I already said, the Amiga 1000 was
an incompetent product and fell flat on its face and besmirched the Amiga's
reputation forever.  The real blunder was in letting Jay Miner get away instead
of getting him to do enhanced chipsets!

> >---------
> >Phillip Robinson author of Washington Post/San Jose Mercury
> >article is RIGHT about Commodore atrocities regarding the Amiga!
> >Let's make HIM our voice! Since Commodore won't listen to us!
> >
> >                              Phil Robinson
> >                              P.O. Box 1377
> >                           Sausalito, CA  94966
> >---------

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From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC World's John C. Dvorak Speaks Out...
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:45:55 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <192109@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov>, pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
> In article <23JUL199217572124@zeus.tamu.edu>, cpw8034@zeus.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924) writes:
>> Here's an excerpt from John Dvorak about AmigaDOS in the August issue of PC 
>> World...
> [excerpt deleted]
> 
> In Jerry Pournelle's column in the August issue of Byte, he mentions that his
> next column will discuss the Amiga.  Any guesses on what he'll say?
> 

Anyone think that it will be favorable? Of course not; Commodore probably
didn't give him enough free hardware. 
 
Can anyone tell me how to become a guru? I mean, I'm not that amazing, but
neither is Jerry or John. Seems like a great way to accumulate some neat
systems and gather 'incentives'. 
 
Those of you in Melbourne Aust. might be familiar with that other guy who
writes for the 'Green Guide', Charles Wright. If he can do it, well...!

I like some of Jerry's writing, the stuff that comes in paperback novels.
I don't care much for his other fiction, the stuff printed in Byte.

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Lynx and Amiga   Re: Falcon Rumor?
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:53:50 GMT
Organization: Neanderthal Speech Institute

In article <1992Jul25.175314.28119@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>In article <oleg.02o7@crumpet.cts.com> oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes:
>>> Now Atari is showing lots of COLOR commercials for Lynx on Star Trek
>>> show.  Gameboy commercials mostly on CARTOON and WRESTLING shows.
>>> Many smart people watching Star Trek so they are buying Atari Lynxs
>>> not Gameboy.  
>>
>>As far as "many smart people watching Star Trek", what's your point?
>>Intelligence distribution is a bell curve, so if you want mass-marketing
>>you play for the middle.
>
>Since many more smart people watch Star Trek than Wrestling they will
>like good features and games of Atari Lynx.  WHY would company like
>National Geographic show ads on Star Trek? Because it is BIG WASTE
>of money to show ads on Wrestling shows if people watching are on
>dumbbell curve!!

Your grammar and logic suggest that you prefer wrestling.  Where does
National Geographic fit in?  Who let you out of your cage?

>Many smart people use Amigas and like brain puzzle games like Lemmings
>and Rampart so Atari Lynx will soon have Lemmings, Eye of the Beholder,
>Baseball Heros, Real Casino, Dracula Adventure, Shadow of the Beast.. 

Where do you come up with this Amiga<->Lynx business?  Oh I forgot, some
of the original Amiga designers also designed the Lynx, so that means 
all Amiga owners will want a Lynx.  Sheesh.

>>The Lynx is a good product that has been supported and marketed with Atari's
>>usual concern and brilliance. One can only wonder what would have happened
>>if Epyx retained its rights.
>
>Person from England put up news that now Atari is showing ads on movie
>screen!! That is proof Jack Tramiel is BACK IN CHARGE and will sell 
>many millions of Lynxs (and soon Falcons). 

I guess that movie ads are the sole creation of Jack Tramiel and that there
is no way that anyone else at Atari could come up with such a thing.  Why
do you believe that putting Jack back in charge is going to save Atari?  He
tried once and failed miserably to promote the ST, why should he do any
better with a Super ST (Falcon)?

>Warner company made Batman movies and people said they own BIG part
>of Atari so they will help with ads on TV, magazines, and now movie
>screen!

I just hope that none of those people suggest that jumping off of a bridge
will help Atari.

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:34:55 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>: Interesting.  And just how did you implement MP on a 68000?  If this was
>: on a 68030 or a 68020+PMMU, maybe this indicates a flaw in the 68K line,
>: because there sure isn't that much of a slowdown on the x86!
>
>Make that a 2.  Sorry.  And no, it doesn't indicate a flaw.  You just
>can't seem to get this through your head:  You didn't know of any
>operating systems that had the option of running or not running under
>MP, and you don't really know the difference between them.
>

I didn't know any OS's that had the option of running with or without MP?!
Sure I did -- MS-DOS (plain or under OS/2 2.0)!  Read my article, please.

I don't know the difference between MP and no MP?!  I beg to differ.

>
>I just
>gave you two, so un-bury your head.
>

Thanks for the advice...

I still say you were using shitty hardware if performance went down by that
much.  It sure isn't so with x86 CPUs.

>
>Greg
>
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upgrade Amiga OR buy 486??
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 14:06:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul25.140756.3748@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au>

Like everyone else, I'm hedging my bets. My upgrades lately have consisted
of generic stuff: SCSI tape drives, hard drives, laser printers, nicer
monitors.

All of it can plug into virtually anything else.

We sit here, waiting, watching....
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