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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:53:11 GMT

cw> Chris Waters
gs> Gary Strand

gs> Like I said, I'm a anti-niner-whiner. You guys still have a long ways to go
    to come back from last year's flood of whining. I've never seen anything so
    pathetic. Apparently, unless SF is in the Super Bowl, something is wrong
    with the NFL. Nuts to that attitude!

cw> Oh yeah, like this is the only whining that's ever gone on on the net. 

  Is that what I said? That only 49ers fans whine? Give me a break! Last year
  the Niner Whiners were deafening -- "A Hail Mary pass shouldn't decide an
  entire game"; "The teams playing well at the *end* of the season should go
  to the playoffs too"; "It isn't fair that a 10-6 NFC team stays home and a
  8-8 AFC team goes"; "Waah waah waah waah" and so on on.

cw> But to suggest that Niner fans are any more guilty of excessive whining
    than any other fans of any other team that has an unexpected setback is
    ridiculous.

  Not ridiculous, but merely pointing out the facts. As I said, last year's
  whining by Niner fans set an r.s.f.p. record, and it's pushed 49er fandom
  so far into the "Go away, silly boys" category that it will take at least 
  a couple of seasons of non-woofing non-whining to climb back to zero. And,
  of course, M. Gloria isn't helping. Indeed, one stupid post (excuse me,
  they're *all* stupid) from him negates the positive effect of several good
  well-reasoned 49er fan posts.

  Do us all a favor -- tell the world that Gloria is actually a Saints fan in
  disguise, trying to make 49ers fans look like idiots and nincompoops.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: salsibury
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:48:40 GMT

i am corrected. gannon held out until after the first preseason game
against the bills when salsibury looked good. upon returing to the team,
gannon beat out steak man for the starting spot. 

							vinnie
From: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM (Riley Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: UPDATES - Early scores
Date: 27 Dec 1992 21:35:27 GMT
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Miami is lucky.  Now if us Miami fans can just have the pleasure
of watching Buffalo lose tonight...


In article 2259@PacBell.COM, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>Miami  16				New England  13  **OT FINAL
> Aren't the FISH the luckiest team alive. :-)





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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:19:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.194328.21159@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
><1992Dec21.213529.8894@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) said:
>><1992Dec21.210943.23105@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>>><1992Dec20.170701.7522@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>>>Gary, you just don't give up do you. :-) Tell you what, 
>>>>practically the WHOLE world has the Niners as favorites to
>>>>go all the way despite their winning margin. Check out
>>>>their record, 13-2. Also check out their QBs: Young, Bono,
>>>>and that other guy, hmmm, oh yeah, JOE MONTANA. Hmmm,
>>>
>>>Montana WAS great,  Young is OK,  Bono's a wannabe.
>>>
>>Young is OK! Incredulous! Are we a bit jealous Steve? Check out the 
>>stats Steve, re: Highest rated QB in the NFL. Bono, in your eyes might 
>>be a wannabe, but Bono is a BONOfide QB in the NFL and could easily be 
>>a starting QB anywhere else.  Your response is typical of certain
>   ^^^^^^^^
>>net.whiners. :-)
>
>Please keep these words about Bono in mind when the whining starts about
>Young being the MVP.  How can he be the MVP when they have 3 starting QBs,
>right?  Young gets hurt?  Just put in Bono and they don't miss a beat,
>right?  Heck if Bono gets hurt you put in Montana, right?  What makes
>Young so valuable?
>
Gordon, do you have a problem? Again you are taking things out of context.
My initial response was to Steve's increduous statement that "Young is OK".
I NEVER mentioned he should be the MVP. I only referred to his stats, you know,
the stats certain netters are engrossed over. I will not be so foolish as
to publicly state that Young should be the MVP of the NFL. I will say that
he is a contender. In fact, the media, by all account that I either read or
heard on during the various sports shows, mention Young as the NFL's MVP.
Frankly, I don't give a hoot who win's the MVP. I only care that Young wins
the SB and the SB MVP!

>Emmitt Smith is the MVP.  After MNF there should be no doubt.
>
You are entitled to your opinion and if E.Smith wins it, you will find
no arguments from me. I wonder if you would do the same if Young won
it. NOT! :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman a weakness?!? (was Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON))
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:55:02 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <3209@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.155317.11678@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>>He has been there for 4 years and should
>>no longer have fans justifying his weaknesses by saying he is just young.
>
>What weaknesses are you talking about?  The only weakness Troy has is that
>he throws too many interceptions.  That's a bad one, to be sure.  Sometimes
>he just doesn't see the defender waiting for the INT.  But it's the only
>weakness he has, and he has improved upon it every year.
>
>Other than that, he is currently the second-ranked QB this year.  He also
>has the third-highest completion percentage *lifetime*, behind Kelly and
>Saint Joe.  He's big, strong, and throws beautiful passes.  Staubach, of
>all people, said he wished that he had been that physically talented.
>
>Troy has the second-most yards this year, behind only Marino; third-most
>touchdowns, behind Young and Marino (and tied with Kelly).  Pretty good
>company all around, people mentioned as almost sure future hall-of-famers.

Great post Dan!  I think you speak for all us Cowboys fans in answering
Troy's critics.




Ray     GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






















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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Broncos/Reeves: A Mistake ???
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.233111.17857@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>
>Yeah, best of luck in the next two rebuilding years ... not a good sign
>when you fire someone who is consistently putting together winning
>records in a tough division ...
>

The brilliance of Elway in the last two minutes has made Reeves and
a consistently mediocre team look a lot better than they have been.

It is a sad commentary of the offensive coaching in Denver, that Elway
was a better quarterback when he was improvising on his own scoring last
minute touchdowns, than when he was running the Denver offense by the
book.

Reeves maintained an undersized defense for years after it was proven
ineffective against NFC teams, and ran an unoriginal, uninspired
offense. 

Reeves is a competent but mediocre coach.

>
>I concur here ... Reeves and Gibbs were hired by their respective teams in
>the same years, and I have always felt that the pressure to win year in and
>year out is very hard here in Washington.  Gibbs did miss the playoffs in
>four of his twelve years, and started out 0-5 in his first season.  Gibbs
>missed the playoffs in 1985, 1988 and 1989, had a losing record in '88 ...
>
>... and with Jack Kent Cooke as volatile an owner as he is (the recent tirade
>with his stadium), some would have thought Gibbs would have not survived, but
>he is still around.
>

Beatherd started out 0-5 with Gibbs in his first season, and the
Redskins missed the playoffs by one win, I think, finishing 9-6-1, in
that first season...which sort of parallels what happened in San Diego
this year with Bobby Ross and Beatherd.

Gerald
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bermanisms
Keywords: primetime primetime primetime
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:28:07 GMT
Organization: .


Updated Bermanism list:
(addition at end)

   Scott "Won't you let me take you on a" Secules
   Reggie "Foghorn" Langhorne
   Vince Workman "my way back to you, babe"
   Thermal Thomas
   Brad "Colonel" Muster "with the football, in the endzone"

   "Who Framed" Roger Ruzek
   Steve "I got you babe" Bono
   Eric "Sleeping with" Bieniemy.
   Steve "A-Tisker-A" Taskers
   Toi's "In the Attic" Cook 

   Andre "Bad Moon" Rison
   Barry "Never a discouraging" Word
   Jeff "Mick" Jaeger
   John "Deep" Friez
   Dwight "and the Family" Stone

   Jeff "Boy" George
   Michael "Purple" Haynes
   JJ "the beast of" Birden
   Carl "Slim" Pickens
   Willie "The color of money" Green

   Ed "GO" West "Young man"
   Emile "Debbie" Harry
   Willie "Soviet" Drewrey (Drury?)
   Harry Sydney "Down Under"
   Sanjay "Muscle" Beach

   Kevin Butler "DID IT!"
   Tony "Turn the" Page
   Ethan Horton "Hears a Who"
   Sean Salisbury "Steak"
   Lo White "and the Seven Dwarfs"

   Rickey Watters "under the bridge"
   Reggie "Rollin' on the" Rivers
   William Schultz "I KNOW NUSSING!"
   Vai "Ask Vai" Sikahema
   Larry "Self" Centers

   Scott "Za Zaa Za Zaa Zoooolak"
   Lawyer's "in Love" Tillman
   Jeff Alm "for the poor"
   Tommy "Citizen" Kane
   Peter Tom "John, Paul, George, and Ringo" Willis
     
   Eric "couldn't handle the" Ball
   Ricky Proel "Shampoo"
   Barry "Bananas" Foster
   Keith Cash "n' Carry"
   "Simon, Theodore and" Alvoid Mays.
   Roland "The Headless Thompson Gunner" Mitchell (Warren Zevon song)

From this past Sunday:
   "Derrick Thomas:  5 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 
			and a TD in a pear tree"
   
Any more?

--J.J.
GEAUX CHIEFS!
(saints don't have a prayer against da minister of defense)
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: FINALS - 17th week
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:18:43 GMT

New Orleans  20	NY Jets   0 * FINAL SATURDAY
LA Raiders  21		Washington  20 * FINAL SATURDAY
Green Bay  7		Minnesota  27  * FINAL
NY Giants  10		Philadelphia   20  * FINAL
Cleveland  13		Pittsburgh  23  * FINAL 
Denver  20		Kansas City  42  * FINAL
Indianapolis  21	Cincinnati  17  * FINAL
Miami  16			New England  13  **OT FINAL
Atlanta  27		LA Rams  38  * FINAL
Chicago  14		Dallas  27  * FINAL
Tampa Bay  7		Phoenix  3  * FINAL
San Diego	 31		Seattle  14  * FINAL
Buffalo  3			Houston  27  * FINAL
Detroit  6			San Francisco  24  * FINAL
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 10:21:49 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
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Subject: Divisional statisitics, week 16

Hi all,

here are this week's divisional sucesses:

Divisional statistics for week 16
---------------------------------
           All games     Outside div.
AFC East     3-2            2-1
AFC Central  2-2            1-1
AFC West     2-3            0-1

NFC East     3-2            2-1
NFC Central  3-2            2-1
NFC West     1-3            1-3

AFC - NFC matchups for week 16
------------------------------
AFC - NFC     2 - 2

Cumulative divisional statistics up to week 16 (including)
----------------------------------------------------------
             All games     Outside div.
AFC East    35-40          16-21  (0.4324)
AFC Central 31-29          20-18  (0.5263)
AFC West    35-40          18-23  (0.4390)

NFC East    41-34          22-15  (0.5946)
NFC Central 33-42          14-23  (0.3784)
NFC West    35-25          24-14  (0.6316)

Cumulative AFC - NFC matchups up to week 16 (including)
-------------------------------------------------------
AFC - NFC    21 - 29

Cheers,
             Rene Zandbergen
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Niners Win (Montana is Back - I hope)
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In article <1992Dec29.051026.12084@PacBell.COM> JOHN,
jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>Joe Montana, though playing in a blustering, windy, rainy
>cold Candlestick park did not do too bad considering his lengthy
>absence from the game. Now I know that despite what he
>accomplished tonight, there will always be the detractors.
>They will not consider this is Montana's FIRST game in almost
>two years.  In fact, I don't believe they give him credit
>for anything he does. They will point out that any QB could
>play in the Niner system and excel. NOT! Joe was able to 
>demonstrate his skill to put the ball where necessary as the 
>game progressed.  Any student of the game could detect his
>composure and control under the conditions.  I for one
>was impressed. For certain, the faithful 49ers fans who
>were at Candlestick to watch the game thought it was all
>worth it to see him throw a perfect strike to Brent Jones 
>for his FIRST TD!   Montana received a well deserved
>ovation from the Candlestick faithful and I can assure 
>you that the patrons at the MNF game at Charlie Browns
>were equally ethused!  His performance for 2 quarters was
>pretty good, I'd say. Two TD's, and 126 yards passing, NO INTs.
>Better than some QBs did this year playing 4 qtrs and playing
>all year long!

Although I am a 9er and Joe hater, I must say he still has what it takes
if this was any indication.  One touch pass to Amp Lee stands out in my
mind.  It seems to me that a touch pass would be the toughest thing to
throw after a long absence.

HOWEVER, I think this is not necessarily a good thing for the 9ers.  Can
any 9er fan honestly tell me that you would put Young on the back burner
so Joe could come back and make his Hall-of-Fame exit.  Do y'all want a
37 year old QB?  He is great and all, but stick with Young.  After being
at the helm for a while, he won't take the backup role so easily this
time.

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
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Subject: Re: NEW VIKING QB?!
From: rykhus@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:58:16 -0600
 <wfEWWkC00WBO82UHQR@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Dec30.233749.7514@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Mankato State University

>>> 
>>>Do u think that the 9er front office would be foolish enough
>>>to trade Joe to a tough NFC rival like the Vikings. In the
>>>same breath, I do not know whether Joe is allowed to have
>>>his choice or the 9er front office decides it for him as to
>>>which team he will go to.
>>
>>I think Joe is a free agent after this year.
> 
> 
> NOT!!  He has one year left on his contract with San Francisco.
> Look for Joe to be traded to a team in need of a QB that is agreeable to
> him and to the niners and for an acceptable offer.  Joe will provide a great
> lift to any team that utilizes him well and will also help to sell tickets.


What would it take to make Minneasota disagreeable with him? Especially 
after the Walker disaster we don't want a trade for an almost over the 
hill QB.

Al
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From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: Green Coach of Year? I don't think so.
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:41:59 CST

In article 103024@netnews.upenn.edu, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>
>
>I disagree about the all of the Vikings offense sucking.  Terry Allen had a
>good year (rushing for 1000 yards... when was the last time a Vikes rusher
>did that... wonder how much Herschel has this year:-) Also, they have good
>deep threats in the two Carters and a good to guy in Steve Jordan (from
>Brown University).  It really is their lack of a decent QB which has hurt
>them and yes a QB really does mean that much to an offense based on the
>Redskins' (just ask Rypien). Green has done wonders with a team that was 
>getting fat on its past laurels.  That's more than anyone could ask for from
>a rookie coach... my vote: Dennis Green coach of the year.
>
>satish nair
>giants (is ray gone yet?)
>

Green coach of the year?  Why?  I can think of at least four coaches who deserve
it far more than Green.  Let's look at team improvement from last year:

                     1991    1992
Green (Vikings)      8-8     10-5
Marchibroda (Colts)  1-15     8-7
Holmgren (Packers)   4-12     9-6
Ross (Chargers)      4-12(?) 10-5
Cowher (Steelers)    4-12(?) 10-5

I don't recall the Steelers and Chargers exact records from last year, but I don't
think either finished better than 4-12.  Regardless, from a team improvement
standpoint, Green doesn't hold a candle to the other four guys.  Being a Packer
fan, I'd like to see Holmgren win it, but my vote would go to Ted Marchibroda.


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From: yhl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Stallion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Munoz Retires :( :( :(
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:55:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec22.132713.14913@ms.uky.edu> thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:
>Sorry to interrupt you NFC bozos.. but, Anthony Munoz is retiring
>from the NFL after the game on Sunday... ;(  It is a sad day for
>Bengals fans everywhere to see one of the best offensive linemen
>of all time to retire.  We now return you to your NFC squabbling...
>

I am not a Bengals fan; as a matter of fact, I HATE the Bengals.  However, it
is indeed sad to see such a great player like Anthony Munoz retire.  I think
Munoz is the greatest offensive lineman in football.
Best of luck to Munoz

Stallion


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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Answers to Super Bowl Trivia Time!
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 00:52:00 GMT

<1992Dec23.025827.25843@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) said:
>When did Mike Ditka win a Super Bowl as a player?

1972, he was a Dallas tight-end and caught a TD in the SB slaughter of the
Dolphins.


Gordon
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Date: Thursday, 31 Dec 1992 18:08:39 EST
From: <IO81144@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: RE: Bad Boy Green Bay Bob

Yep, one thing you can say about the Packer fans, there loyal in a real
crazy kind of way.  Know that Minn. plays indoors they have coldest stadium
(in any given week) and one of the consistently poor teams (win-loss) over
the last 20 years, but I seen them listed this summer as one of the most
stable organizations due to such incredible fan support, ie. almost consistent
sellouts.(just think if they were winning more often)  The article listed
them up there with the Celtics, Lakers, and Dodgers.(Due to high fan support
or large external revenues)  Notice, most of these other teams have had
substantial success recently.  I've never managed to make it to a Packer game,
but the whole state pretty much tends to revolve around Packer games come
sunday, regardless of their record.  Of course, we've all seen the drunken
fools shirtless in December.  Maybe there lies the truth in the matter, like
the Brewer games(but more extreme conditions) the draw of the tailgating serves
to draw them from far and wide.  Just a perspective.
Brian Scheller
Proud to be known as, Mr. Cheese
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Winner of The Bet IV
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:19:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan4.031939.4754
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

Well, I don't have the exact numbers, but the Seahawks' offense finished
with more than the 8 TDs that the Vikings' defense managed.  Congratulations
go to...

          Eric Sybesma

who was the only person to pick the Hawks offense.  What does Eric win?
Hmmm... I don't know... no one ever offered any suggestions.  Any ideas?
Here's a few...

* An audio cassete of me screaming as Salisbury floated the second int
  in Saturday's game

* A John Gloria Fan Club T-shirt

* Seahawks season tickets

The above gifts are all fairly comparable in value.  

Oh well, time to switch gears to college hoops.

(Actually, I don't mean to pick on JPG above... he's really been pretty
mild of late).

Jim 
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Forget Reeves What about the Broncos
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:28:17 GMT

In article <30DEC199200540930@cc.utah.edu> djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:

>I don't think that Dan Reeves will have a problem finding a job, but who is 
>going to go to Denver and coach the Broncos?  It's the team that I'm worried 
>about.  Yes Dan was a GREAT coach,so who is left to come to Denver?  Shanahan?
>I don' think so.  Just because he was a friend of John's.  If he was such a 
>good coach why was he let go?  Wade, well maybe, then they'll be looking for a
>new defensive coash.  It's all such a terrible mess!!!  I guess we should just
>sit tight and wait a couple of years until the Broncos get back on their feet,
>go to the SuperBowl and KICK SOME ASS!
>
>Sheila Cobb

Sigh.  If we have to let women back into this newsgroup, can't we
do better than this?

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