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From: masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason)
Subject: Re: Health
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:58:06 GMT

In article <sPRJPB4w165w@king.dist7040.rotary.org> king!gerritse@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Terry Gerritsen) writes:
>
>
>           If the following common diseases run in your      
> family, learn how you can lower your risks and improve          
> your health and longevity.

much stuff deleted in the following included bit...
>
> *  HEART DISEASE:  If older members of your family have... 
> *  HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE: If one parent has high blood ....
> *  COLON CANCER:  A clear progression of genetic changes leads...
> * BREAST CANCER:  Both men and women are at risk for developing...
> * CERVICAL CANCER:  All women are at risk for developing cervical...
> * DIABETES: A family history of diabetes increases a person's risk...
> * OSTEOPOROSIS: Reasearch suggests that some forms of osteoporosis...
> * Written by Lair Jackson M.D., who is Director of the Center
> for Genetics and Fetal Medicine at Thomas Jefferson University
> in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
>

I would like to point out that if you want to make one change to
your lifestyle that will take care of most of these problems and
reams of others, simply stop eating meat.  It's not that hard.

Have you ever seen a health recommendation that reads: "Try to 
eat more meat and cut down on vegetables, fruit, and fibre" ?

peace,


Peter

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From: gerritse@king.dist7040.rotary.org (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Former Soviet Leader
Keywords: Rotary
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:02:15 GMT
Reply-To: king!gerritse@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: ont
Organization: Kingston Rotary System, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078

Mikhail Gorbachev, the former president of the Soviet Union,
was a surprise guest at the recent R.I. District 2650 
conference in Kyoto, Japan.
The Statesman visit was arranged by R.I. Past Director
Sadao Kuranami (1990-92) of Japan.
Mr. Gorbachev, who is a Paul Harris Fellow, spoke to the
conference for about 10 minutes.
During the meeting, Mr. Gorbachev, who now runs a think tank
in Moscow, expressed his gratitude to Rotary International 
for its work to help develop the former Soviet Union. "Rotary
effords to assist with the structuring of free-market
economy are very important," he said. Gorbachev added he is 
extremely pleased at the formation of Rotary clubs there.




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From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:46:55 GMT
Distribution: can

emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
> > It's also the law.  But any speeder is *far* more dangerous than any
> > other kind of driver, except anybody with a blood alcohol level greater
> > than .08, so the police leave "left lane bandits" and every other type
> > of traffic offender alone.
> > 
> 
> What absolute unsubstantiated bullshit!

Sigh.  Never, ever, ever, ever, post a sarcastic remark without
clearly labeling it as such.  Never.

> Speeding, by itself, is only the 
> violation of an arbitrary limit that is set for reasons that often have 
> little to do with traffic safety [...]
> The myth that speeding is in itself dangerous leads to concentrating 
> traffic law enforcement on speeding [...]

It has nothing to do with this myth;  speed limits are strictly
enforced as a method of revenue generation.

> We could reduce traffic accidents far more by concentrating enforcement 
> on really dangerous driving habits, ensuring that drivers had higher 
> levels of driving skills and vehicles were examined more often for safety 
> related conditions than by issuing speeding tickets. That governments 
> often choose the latter leads to less and less respect from the motoring 
> public for other traffic laws in general.

Hmmm,  this has all been said before.  Obviously you just started
reading this thread.

I think the easiest way to improve safety would be to make the driving
tests more difficult (is it true that the don't even test parallel
parking anymore?) and, instead of handing out tickets, expire the bozos
license and make them retest for it.

Rob.
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: snark@nrcbsa.bio.nrc.ca (S. Chisholm)
Subject: Re: Highways/freeways (was sidebar re 401)
Organization: National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:04:50 GMT

In article <13AUG92.09708622.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>
>I'm also not sure it's accurate to say that the Trans-Canada is
>mostly limited access.  This *is* true here in Quebec, but surely
>Highway 17 isn't limited access all the way across northern Ontario,
>nor is Highway 2 in New Brunswick.  I'm not sure about further east
>or west.
>

In Nova Scotia, the trans-canada is limited access in only a few places.

There are parts of it when it really slows down due to local trafic and school

zones.  There are alot of people who live along them(what kind of address would

that be -> 458734985 trans-canada high way?).             

personal gripe:  Ontarians never stop at crosswalks.

chiz

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From: meier@Software.Mitel.COM (Rolf Meier)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:14:40 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Aug11.023252.13237@ctr.columbia.edu> GreyOwl@uiuc.edu writes:

>Actually, depending on what part of the US you live in, they are called
>freeways, expressways, or interstates (regardless of whether or not the
>road is designated an interstate highway)

And if you have to pay a toll, they are called turnpikes.

___________________________________________________________________________
Rolf Meier						Mitel Corporation
Newsgroups: ont.general,ott.general
From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:16:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.194338.4028@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
>I read in the {Ottawa Spitizen} recently that along King Edward Avenue 
>they are going to _narrow_ the street and _add_ more traffic signals 
>with the express purpose of _slowing_down_ and _discouraging_ traffic.
>For our granola-crunching car-hating cyclists and other enviro-Nazis, this 
>is good news, but I think it's ass-backwards urban planning.

To bring some *facts* into this discussion ...

The King Edward Street redesign was done at the request of the residents
of the area, who (not surprisingly) got tired of the constant noise
and fumes from the truck, bus, and car traffic. These are also the same
people who were pushing for the Vanier Parkway extension through
New Edinburgh to get traffic off King Edward.

I am a member of the City of Ottawa Cycling Advisory Group and an
executive member of Citizens for Safe Cycling, the main cycling advocacy
group in Ottawa. I can assure you that neither group made any comments
about King Edward Ave., nor were we asked to by any politicians, citizens
groups, or city staff. The change wasn't made for cyclists.

I've travelled down KE on my bicycle fairly often. The section from Sussex
to Boteler is horrendous, because you end up in the middle of four lanes of
traffic. The remainder is no worse than any other busy road, and better
than many.

As for whether it's a good idea ... it may make the area a little more
bearable for residents if drivers are discouraged from going down KE.
Ultimately, though, the only way to improve the area is to reduce the
need for traffic to go down KE, which means either (a) another method of
transporting goods besides trucks, and fewer one-person cars, and/or
(b) another bridge from Quebec to Ontario to get to the 417.
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: ont.bikes
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:09:54 GMT

Ok, I take it back.  Somebody suggested we create ont.bikes, but I said that
we just use a Distribution of ont in postings in rec.bicycles.  Well, my
posting appeared in California, so I guess the Distribution isn't working.
(And no, it wasn't Ontario, California).

So - anybody want to create ont.bikes?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
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    --  Sigmund Freud
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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:15:20 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: ont
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George) writes:

> I was driving to Montreal last Friday and there was someone in the left lane
> of the highway driving *exactly* 100 km/h.  Now, on a nice clear day with dry
> roads, how many people do you think were driving at that speed? Not many, I c
> tell you (I was doing about 115-120).  Anyway, this person absolutely REFUSED
> to move out of the way, even though cars were tailgating, flashing their head
> and one person even honked their horn!  It was just plain stupid.  That perso
> made everyone in the left lane move over and pass them on the right.  Really,
> really dumb. What's the point of pissing off everyone on the road?

And then they wonder why people in LA shoot at them.  It's only a matter 
of time before this beings to happen elsewhere.

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frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
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From: Krzysztof@netxsys.guild.org (Krzysztof Adamski)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:04:04 EDT
Organization: NetX Systems Inc.

From article <equPPB2w165w@beltrix.guild.org>, by peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs):
> marc@meadow.uucp (Marc Riehm) writes:
> 
>> You must have been driving in a different Toronto than the one I'm familiar
>> with :).  Sometimes when I push the end of a yellow light in Toronto I take a
>> paranoid look in my rear-view mirror for a police car and I'm happy to see 2
>> or 3 other cars following through the light behind me.
> 
> Out here in Mississauga you look behind and find a cop has followed you
> through :)
This problem was created by some "bright" designer of traffic light. If as soon
as the light changed to red one way the other changed to green people would not
risk going through the red light, but since there is a grace period of about
2 seconds (I think it's getting longer and longer) it is "safe" to continue
on yellow.

Krzysztof
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:47:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.032748.18690@sq.sq.com> rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH)) writes:
>I've never quite understood the ongoing Toronto fuss about
>2. passing on the right.
>
>If somebody can come up with a good argument for why any highway driver
>*shouldn't* "Gravitate To The Right", I'd be interested in hearing it.

Some highways have an annoying tendency to lose the right lane as they
pass through cities.  Not only right lane must exit but numerous right lane
merges.  Constantly moving left into heavy traffic is tiring.



Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:26:45 GMT

In article <3078@isgtec.isgtec.com>
	robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:

>> 	Gravitate to the right.
>
>It's also the law.  But any speeder is *far* more dangerous than any
>other kind of driver,

I don't believe this. This is a myth propogated by police to justify
their going after speeders to the detriment of all other infractions.
(except, of course, for Robert's exception of DWI).

The big difference is that it's easier to get a conviction for speeding,
because cops have little radar boxes to do their jobs for them. Catching
people in the wrong lanes, or blocking traffic flow, or recklessly
changing lanes, requires keen observation and is more open to challenge
in court.

It's easier to blame speeders because it's so much lazier to catch them.
You can't just sit on the side of the road all day catching people in
the wrong lanes, aided by a black box that tells you who to pull over.

-- 
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: jmm@eci2.uucp (John Macdonald)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: where absolutely required
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:52:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.181640.11979@eci386.uucp> rstory@eci386.uucp (Robert Story) writes:

   [ ... ]

|                  I wonder if politeness could be written into
|the constitution?  It certainly doesn't sound like it's too
|late to add *new* items! :-)

   [ ... ]

|Maybe the busses could have someone riding "shotgun" ... she
|could shoot out the car's front/rear lights if the driver didn't
|let the bus go first!  Well, just an idea, mind you.

Gee, Robert, that sounds *real* polite to me :-)
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park on a Sunday afternoon. [...] luckily, most of  |   jmm@eci386
the people are staying on the paths and not pissing |
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:29:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.152401.9206@bwdls61.bnr.ca> pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) writes:
>Things Montreal drivers know how to do:  merge, yield (only to those
>drivers who meet the cooperation proviso above), pass, park (in spaces
>physically smaller than their vehicles), control their vehicles at any
>speed.
>
Things Montreal drivers need to know: don't signal a lane change, or
you will be cut off.  Just merge right in and you are considered one
of the family (from experience *smile*)

>Accidents in Toronto are caused by:  roads being used at 100% capacity
>and beyond.
>
Drivers from Montreal driving 'normally'

marc
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: mennie@bcrki39.bnr.ca (Bill Mennie 3-4473)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Reply-To: mennie@bcrki39.bnr.ca (Bill Mennie 3-4473)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:32:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.232621.4155@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, jnetto@bnr.ca (John
Netto) writes:
> 
>  The HTA (Ontario) does not refer to lines anywhere. I have the latest copy
>  and I searched in vain. With respect to passing, it is only stated that
>  it is forbidden within 50 m (or whatever) of a hill/curve/intersection on
>  single lane highways. The lines are there for our convenience as already
>  pointed out; I cross lines when I need to. I assume the pOLICE could fine
>  you for dangerous driving however; but that would be hard to prove in court.
> 
>  When I told my coworkers about the line 'no-rule', they did not
believe me till
>  I brought in the HTA copy !! You would be amazed what else is in there....
> 
>  John

My son is taking the Young Drivers of Canada course.  A couple of weeks
ago, he was told that passing on solid lines is not illegal and I was
flabbergasted.  Yes, I suppose I would be amazed...

Cheers,

Bill

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Bell-Northern Research   | Internet: mennie@bnr.ca  | responsible for the
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: chris@mks.com (Chris Retterath)
Subject: Re: Risks and Bicycle Helmets
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:01:11 GMT

Marc Thibault writes:

>            a:  Number of cycle deaths last year       29
>            b:  Number of frequent cyclists       270,000
>            c:  Annualized risk (a/b)             1.1E-04
>            d:  Average trips annually                 20
>            e:  Per-trip risk   (c/d)             5.4E-06
>            f:  Per-trip risk with helmet (e/4)   1.4E-06

Excellent posting! The vanishing *small* risks associated with riding
without helmets are overblown. Good to see some even conservative
estimates that bear this out.

>        Last year somebody published a table of the risks of various
>        activities. What I remember is that the thing one really
>        should avoid is sport fishing in Northern Ontario. This is
>        vastly more dangerous than cycling without a helmet!

And what about the *amazingly* dangerous sport of bungee jumping!
It very nearly was banned in Ontario .. based on a handful of deaths.
Did anyone analyze the deaths/number of jumps? It must be vanishingly
small, when you see how many do it and how few die..

Parachuting had some nasty deaths in the past few years .. so has skiing
and boating, and <insert your favorite sport>

For example, golf is quite dangerous...
Main killer in golf is the lightening .. standing in an exposed green
shaking a metal club at the skies. When will we ban golfing in the rain?

This is Mrs Grundy of the '90s come back to life; not to preach about
our 'morals' (meaning sex), but to say how other people should live.
If it's dangerous, it should be banned.

And to reinforce our disapproval, the nattering about 'health care costs'.
Don't do it -- we'll all have to pay to put you back together!
Perhaps they should be glad -- there will be more to go around if
the dangerous lot are killed :-)

Our children will look back at us and laugh. The 'cautious 90s'.
The hyper-legal and overbearing laws. No wonder they rebel.

	Chris Retterath


Newsgroups: ont.general
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Distribution: can
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
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	<1992Aug10.183008.15140@bcrka451.bnr.ca> <davecb.713553315@yorku.ca>
	<1992Aug12.032748.18690@sq.sq.com>
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:32:06 -0700

In <1992Aug12.032748.18690@sq.sq.com>, Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH writes:
>I've never quite understood the ongoing Toronto fuss about
>
>1. tailgating, and
>2. passing on the right.
>
>I've been driving highways regularly for about 6 years now in Toronto and I
>almost *never* get tailgated or passed on the right. Honest. My secret?
>It's no secret. It's well known in other parts of the world.
>
>	Gravitate to the right.
>
	I think there'd be a great market for a bumper sticker that said
" If you're being passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane"


-- 
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca 	

Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: 401 and Interstate contrasts
Organization: SoftQuad Inc.
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:15:53 GMT

crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan) writes:

>Sorry, the US is not that consistent.  It's like that in the west, but
>in the east it is quite common for a highway, even an interstate (which
>is probably an old road that was re-labeled to get federal money) to
>have really short, dangerous, crappy on and off ramps, that can
>frequently be on the left.  In fact, most Canadians have a very negative
>impression of US roads because a large fraction of Canadians live
>adjacent to NY or Michigan, which both have particularly bad roads.  I
>used to think that the US had universally bad roads until I started
>driving a lot outside of these states.

OK let's get specific.  I was speaking of my experience driving from
Houlton, ME to Buffalo, NY, using I-95, I-495, I-90, and I-87.
These roads were consistantly good for travel, with a medium to
low rate of traffic, and consistant design.  Most of the routes
were also toll roads.  If this is completely rare to find in the U.S.,
then my impressions have been wrong to generalize.  However, it
was interesting to see what possible differences there might be
between drivers in different areas because of the designs of the roads.
Bad designs lead to frantic behaviour, which leads to frettered
driving, which creates bad habits, which have various results
on different people, depending on their disposition.

--Donald Teed