From: nguyend@netcom.com (Quang Dinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re :[MISC] Tra<m ho. ( part II )
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:29:25 PDT
Message-Id: <9204062029.AA12063@netcom.netcom.com>
Reply-To: nguyend@netcom.com
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      Sau dda^y tui se~ tri'ch 1 ddoa.n co' lie^n quan dde^'n 1 so^' ho.
 cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ( tri'ch trong sa'ch Vie^.t NAm Trong Quy~ Dda.o The^'
 Gio+'i. Ta'c gia? : Ha'n Chu+o+ng Vu~ Ddi`nh Tra'c . Sa'ch xua^'t ba?n na<m
 1985 o+? Ha?i ngoa.i ). Ddoa.n na`y ddu+o=.c tri'ch trong trang 37-38 cu?a
 quye^?n sa'ch tre^n .

 " 1. NGUO^`N GO^'C NHO HO.C VIE^.T NAM

      O+? dda^y chu'ng ta kho^ng ca^`n dda<.t na<.ng va^'n dde^` : Chu+~ Ha'n
 va` Nho ho.c  nguye^n lai do Vie^.t to^.c hay Ha'nto^.c . Chu'ng ta co' the^?
 ti`m ve^` nguo^`n Nho ho.c  xa xu+a , ba<'t nguo^`n tu+` do`ng Ba'ch Vie^.t,
 ngay chi'nh trong lo`ng Trung Hoa.

     Ba'ch Vie^.t ,theo Chi'nh Su+? . la` ha^.u due^. cu?a vua Tha^`n No^ng.
 Nhu+ng su+? lie^.u tu+` Tha^` No^ng dde^'n Ho^`ng Ba`ng di~ nhie^n co`n o+?
 trong vo`ng ho^~n mang . I't nha^'t chu'ng ta co' the^? khai tha'c va<n hoa'
 Ba'ch Vie^.t tu+` tho+`i , ma` Trie^'t Giang ( 1 ti?nh o+? Trung hoa) co`n
 me^.nh danh la` U+ Vie^.t, Giang Ta^y (1 ti?nh o+? Trung hoa) la` Du+o+ng       Vie^.t, Phu'c Kie^'n ( 1 ti?nh o+? Trung hoa) la` Ma^n Vie^.t, Qua?ng Ddo^ng (1
 ti?nh o+? Trung hoa) la` Ddo^ng Vie^.t, Qua?ng Ta^y (1 ti?nh o+? Trung hoa sa't
 vo+'i mie^`n Ba<'c Vie^.t Nam) la` A^u Vie^.t , Ba<'c Vie^.t (mie^`n Ba<'c 
 Vie^.t Nam) la` La.c Vie^.t  va` Trung Vie^.t ( mie^`n Trung Ba<'c Vie^.t Nam)
 la` Vie^.t Thu+o+`ng. Tho+`i ddo' la` tho+`i nguye^n Nho cho ca? Trung hoa.

  Chu'ng to^i xin long tro.ng gio+'i thie^.u : Chu'ng ta co`n ddu+o+`ng ddi
 va` nhu+~ng da^'u ve^'t linh ddo^.ng cu?a tu+ tu+o+?ng Ba'ch Vie^.t qua ta^.p
 co^? thu+ BA'CH VIE^.T TIE^N HIE^`N CHI' vo+'i ha<`ng tra<m vi. Hie^`n trie^'t
 cu?a do`ng Ba'ch Vie^.t , tri'ch trong dda.i bo^. da~ su+? Trung quo^'c,du+o+'i to^?ng nhan dde^` Li~nh Nam Di Thu+ . Cuo^'n Ba'ch Vie^.t Tie^n Hie^`n Chi' do
 A^u Dda.i Nha^.m va` Tri.nh Ba' tuye^?n soa.n , go^`m 102 nha` Hie^`n trie^'t
 Ba'ch Vie^.t.  "


 ** Sau ddo' la`  danh sa'ch go^`m te^n cu?a nhu+~ng vi. Hie^`n trie^'t na`y.

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 Tui du+.a va`o danh sa'ch na`y dde^? bo^? tu'c the^m cho ca'i list cu?a ba.n
 QP . Nhu+~ng ho. na`o ma` co' trong ca'i list cu?a ba.n QP ro^`i thi` to^i
 se~ kho^ng nha<'c to+'i. Cho ne^n ca'i list cu?a tui ddu+a ra dde^? bo^? tu'c
 the^m se~ kho^ng ddu? 102 vi. Tie^n hie^`n ( Hie^`n trie^'t ) cu?a do`ng Ba'ch
 Vie^.t ( to^? tie^n cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam chu'ng ta )


  Qua ca'i list na`y, cu~ng nhu+ qua nhu+~ng ta`i lie^.u ve^` li.ch su+? cu?a
 Trung Hoa va` Vie^.t Nam , chu'ng ta co' the^? ddu+a ra 1 y' kie^'n la`
 Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam Kho^ng  Co'p Nha<.t Hay Bi. A?nh Hu+o+?ng Ve^`
 Va<n Hoa' ,Tu+ Tu+o+?ng Bo+?i Trung Hoa. Ma` Vie^.t Nam Chi? Bo^? Tu'c Ho.c
 Ho?i The^m Ne^`n Va<n Hoa' Go^'c Cu?a Mi`nh Tu+` 88 bo^. la.c Ba'ch Vie^.t
 Anh Em Kha'c O+? Trung Hoa .

  Ma^'y ho. cu?a ngu+o=`i Vie^.t kho^ng pho^? bie^'n la<'m ( nhu+ ho. Ba`nh,
 U+ng, Kha^u..etc..) chu+a ha<?n la` pha't xua^'t tu+` ngu+o+`i Ha'n ma` la`
 tu+` 88 bo^. la.c Ba'ch Vie^.t .


 Good day!

nguyend.


   
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jj> Nghe no'i ngu+o+`i Vie^.t co' -de^'n 100 ho. . To^i chi? bie^'t co' 81,
> xin ba` con bo^? tu'c cho:
> 
> (ca'c vi' du. du+o+'i -da^y la` te^n ngu+o+`i tha^.t, nha^n va^.t li.ch su+?,
>  nha` va(n, nha` tho+ v.v.)
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>  1/ A^u:      A^u Co+
>  2/ A^'u:     A^'u Mai
>  3/ Ba.ch:    Ba.ch Tha'i Bu+o+?i
>  3/ Ba`ng:    Ba`ng Ba' La^n
>  4/ Ba`nh:    Ba`nh Va(n Ba?y 
>  5/ Bu`i:     Bu`i -Di`nh Die^.m (Quang Du~ng), Bu`i Gia'ng
>  6/ Ca:       Ca Le^ Thua^`n    
>  7/ Cao:      Cao Huy I'ch
   
   Co^' Phu`ng 
   Co^ng Su+ Ngung

>  8/ Cu`:      Cu` Huy Ca^.n
>  9/ Cung:     Cung Tra^`m Tu+o+?ng
> 10/ Cha^u:    Cha^u -Di`nh An

 Chie^u Ma~nh

> 11/ Chu:      Chu Va(n An

  Chu+ Ke^ Ddi~nh

> 12/ Chung:    Chung Tu+? Lu+u
> 13/ Chu+~:    Chu+~ -Do^`ng Tu+?, Chu+~ Ba' Anh 

  DDa.m Dda`i Ki'nh Ba'
> 14/ Die^.p:   Die^.p Chu Xe?

  Die^u Va<n Thu+'c
   
> 15/ Dung:     Dung Ta^'n Trung 
> 16/ Du+o+ng:  Du+o+ng Thu Hu+o+ng, Du+o+ng Nghie^~m Ma^.u
> 17/ -Da'i:    -Da'i -Du+'c Tua^'n

  Dda.i Phu Chu?ng

> 18/ -Da(.ng:   -Da(.ng Dung, -Da(.ng Tra^`n Co^n 
> 19/ -Da`o:    -Da`o Duy Anh, -Da`o -du+o+.c Va`ng
> 20/ -Dinh:    -Dinh Bo^. Li~nh
> 21/-Doa`n:   -Doa`n Chua^?n, -Doa`n Thoa.i (Qua'ch Thoa.i), -Doa`n thi. -Die^?m
> 22/ -Do^~:    -Do^~ Quy' Toa`n
> 23/ -Do^`ng:  -Do^`ng Si~ Nga
 
 Ddo^?ng Chi'nh
 Ddo^'n Ky`
 Ddo+'i Tu+.u
 Ddu+o+`ng Tra^n

> E
> G
> 24/ Ha`:      Ha` Thu'c Sinh, Ha` Mai Anh

  Ha. Thua^`n 

> 25/ Hoa`ng:   Hoa`ng Hoa Tha'm
> 26/ Ho^`:     Ho^` -Di`nh Phu+o+ng, Ho^` Xua^n Hu+o+ng
> 27/ Ho^`ng:   Ho^`ng Quang -Di.ch, Ho^`ng thi. Minh Ca^`u
> 28/ Huy`nh:   Huy`nh Thu'c Kha'ng, Huy`nh Phu' So^? 
> I

 Ke^' Nhi
 Ky` Ma^~u Tua^'n
 Kha^u Tru+o+`ng 
> 29/ Kie^`u:   Kie^`u Co^ng Tie^~n
> 30/ Kim:      Kim -Do^`ng (?)
> 31/ La:       La Thoa.i Ta^n


> 27/ 
> 32/ La.c:     La.c Long Qua^n
> 28/ 
> 33/ Le^:      Le^ Lai, Le^ Lo+.i

 Lie^u Xung 
 Lu.c Tu.c

> 34/ Lu+~:     Lu+~ Gia, Lu+~ Phu+o+ng
> 29/ 
> 35/ Lu+:      Lu+ The^' Chi'
> 36/ Lu+o+ng:  Lu+o+ng -Du+'c Ba(`ng (bo^. tru+o+?ng bo^. ta`i cha'nh ?,
>                     
>   "Ba'c Lu+o+ng -Du+'c Ba(`ng, ma^'y ai lu+o+ng ba(`ng lu+o+ng ba'c
>    O^ng To^n -Du+'c Tha('ng, nhie^`u ngu+o+`i -du+'c tha('ng -du+'c o^ng")
> 37/ Lu+u:     Lu+u Tro.ng Lu+, Lu+u Hu+~u Phu+o+'c       
> 38/ Ly':      Ly' Bo^n, Ly' Co^ng Ua^?n
> 39/ Ma:       Ma Va(n Kha'ng
> 40/ Ma.c:     Ma.c -Di?nh Chi, Ma.c -Da(ng Dung
      Ma<.c Tuye^n Khanh

]j
> 41/ Mai:      Mai Thu'c Loan, Mai Va(n Bo^.

      Ma.nh Thu+o+`ng

> 42/ Mie^n:    Mie^n -Du+'c Tha('ng

 Nhan O^

> 43/ Ninh:     Ninh Ngo.c Nam
> 44/ No+:      No+ Trang Long
> 45/ No^ng:    No^ng Quo^'c Cha^'n
> 47/ Nu`ng:    Nu`ng Chi' Cao
> 48/ Nghie^m:  Nghie^m Phu' Phi
> 49/ Ngo^:     Ngo^ Quye^`n, Ngo^ Thi` Nha^.m (Ngo^ Tho+`i Nhie^.m)

  Ngu Quo^'c
> 50/ Ngu.y:    Ngu.y Nhu+ Co^ng Tum
> 51/ Nguye^~n: Nguye^~n Tra~i, Nguye^~n Du, Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p
>     Nguye^~n-Phu+o+'c: Nguye^~n-Phu+o+'c A'nh (vua Gia Long), 
>                    Nguye^~n-Phu+o+'c Vi~nh To^'ng
>     Nguye^~n-Khoa:     Nguye^~n-Khoa Nam, Nguye^~n-Khoa Die^.u Lie^~u
> O
> 52/ O^ng:     O^ng I'ch Khie^m (1 nha^n va^.t trong su+?, co' ai nho+' ?)     
> 54/ Pha.m:    Pha.m Duy, Pha.m -Di`nh Chu+o+ng
> 55/ Phan:     Phan Bo^.i Cha^u, Phan -Di`nh Phu`ng
> 56/ Phi':     Phi' Kim Nga^n
> 57/ Pho':     Pho' -Du+'c Chi'nh
> 47/ 
> 58/ Phu`ng:   Phu`ng Kha('c Khoan, Phu`ng Qua'n
> 48/ 
> 59/ Qua'ch:   Qua'ch Ta^'n 
> R
> 60/ Su+?:     Su+? Duy Cu+.
> 61/ Ta.:      Ta. Thu Tha^u, K.B Ta.
> 62/ Ta(ng:    Ta(ng Ba.t Ho^?

 Ta^'t Thu?
 Ta^?y Ki'nh
 Tie^'t Chu'c

> 63/ To^:      To^ Hoa`i, To^ Thu`y Ye^n
> 64/ To^n:     To^n -Du+'c Tha(ng
> 65/ Tu+`:     Tu+` Co^ng Phu.ng, Tu+` -Da.o Ha.nh
> 66/ Tha'i:    Tha'i Va(n Kie^?m
> 67/ Tha^?m:   Tha^?m The^. Ha`, Tha^?m Thu'y Ha(`ng

 Tha^n So'c
> 68/ Thi:      Thi Sa'ch

 Thi.nh Hie^'n
> 69/ Thu.c:    Thu.c Pha'n
> 70/ Trang:    Trang Thie^n Kim
 
 Tra^`m Phong
 71/ Tra^`n:   Tra^`n Thu? -Do^.
> 72/ Trie^.u:  Trie^.u Thi. Trinh (Ba` Trie^.u)
> 73/ Tru+ng:   Tru+ng Tra('c, Tru+ng Nhi.
> 74/ Tri.nh:   Tri.nh Cung
> 75/ Tru+o+ng: Tru+o+ng Co^ng -Di.nh
 
  Tru` Vo^ Du+


> U
> 65/ 
> 76/ Va(n:     Va(n -Di`nh Hy

 Vi Thie^.n Dda.o

> 77/ Vie^n:    Vie^n Ha?i Phu+o+'c
> 78/ Vo~:      Vo~ Ta'nh, Vo~ Phie^'n
> 79/ Vu~:      Vu~ Va(n Nha^.m
> 80/ Vu+o+ng:  Vu+o+ng Ho^`ng Se^?n
> X
> 81/ Ye^'t:    Ye^'t Kie^u
> 
 Y Nha 
>      
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> PS Ho. thu+' ??? (for men only) SO+?:  So+? Khanh
> 
> Nha^n -da^y to^i co' 1 tha('c ma('c (lo+'n), mong -du+o+.c chi? gia'o cho:
> 
> Ta.i sao no'i Vie^.t Nam la` mo^.t nu+o+'c -do^.c la^.p, co' nguo^`n
> go^'c kha'c vo+'i Ta`u ma` nha^n va^.t Huye^`n Su+?, to^? tie^n
> cu?a chu'ng ta : La.c Long Qua^n la.i co' te^n Ha'n Vie^.t ? Ta.i
> sao trong su+? no'i tho+`i ca'c vua Hu`ng co' "La.c Ha^`u" va` 
> "La.c Tu+o+'ng", chu+~ "Ha^`u" va` "Tu+o+'ng" kho^ng pha?i la` chu+'c
> sa('c cu?a quan la.i Ta`u hay sao ?
> 
> Mong ca'c ba^.c cao minh chi? gia'o du`m, vi` to^i ra^'t tha('c ma('c
> (va` lo nu+~a).
> QP
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