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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Uplink (was THE CLAREMONT FILES)
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:27:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <uplink.718315998@cwis> uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler) writes:
>v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB) writes:
>
>>ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING AGAINST DRIZZT?!?!  I'LL KILL'EM!! LEMME AT'EM!!  GRRR!!
>
>	Yes.  I did.  I said he was an idiot, and I stand by my observations.
>I don't apologize to anyone, either.

This isn't a flame to either party involved in this 'discussion,' but is
merely an observation.  The intelligence level on this net has been dropping
exponentially in the last few days.  If you don't have anything useful to 
say, don't say it.  Don't waste everybody's time with 'i think [...] is
kewl' posts.  Save your plot theories unless they at least are coherent and
fit with established continuity.  And finally, READ ALL THE MESSAGES IN 
THE GROUP before you respond to a post.  Chances are someone else has 
already answered whatever question you were going to answer.

As a group, X-Fans are looked upon as a bunch of slobbering fanboys.
Let's try to keep the fanboy posts to a minimum and try to have some
interesting, intelligent discussion of the books we like to read.
The sound/noise ratio of this group over the summer was great, but
it's dropping like a rock lately.  So anyway, flame on e-mail and
think about what you're saying BEFORE you post, so you can save the
net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, and avoid pissing off those
of us who read news on a 1200 baud modem :-)

JRjr
-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: jchiu@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (James Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-men tehe animated series
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:25:41 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Anybody know when the tv series of X-men starts, what station, time, day, etc..

I just read the x-men series #1, and it looked pretty good.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who was the Traitor?
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:04:02 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <80647@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>In article <80639@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>>  
>	Sorry bout that last one.  My terminal's been havin' more than a few
>problems.  To sum up my eloquent-yet-vanished-into-hyperspace last message,
>the traitor has not yet come.  In X-Men 8, where Bishop has a cow over the 
>subject and nearly kills Gambit, the bozo gets intoduced to everyone.  He 
>recognizes Forge as "Genesis" -- thus, until Forge changes his name, all will
>be well with the children of the X.
>	Oh, and Bishop not knowing of himself through history recordings 
>means squat.  Gambit (future) erased most of his own records -- why not 
>take out Bishop's altogether (to perserve the space-time vortex or something)?

Well, besides the fact that Bishop's travelling in time caused him to
enter an alternate timeline, there's another possible explaination
as to why he has never heard of himself.  You mention one clue in
your post:  "Genesis."  Forge, obviously, changes his name in the
future.  Maybe Bishop takes on another name, and the name "Bishop"
isn't recorded in the histories.  As long as it occurs before Jubilee
officially joins ("The last X-Man..."), there's no real problem.

Of course, I still believe that there will either be no traitor,
or that they'll introduce some lame character that will obviously
turn out to be the traitor, so they don't sacrifice any "fan[boy]
favorites."

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Storm's Powers
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:23:27 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <1992Sep29.103512.2779@wkuvx1.bitnet>, barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Wasn't it hinted at in X-MEN VS. ALPHA FLIGHT #2 that Storm's powers
>might be magical in nature?  Did Claremont ever follow up on this?  I
>don't remember it if he did.  The only way they could be is if they
>had something to do with the "world-spirit" she called up in Africa.
>Comments?

In Uncanny X-Men #221-226 (when Ororo regained her powers), it was mentioned
by Forge that his device didn't actually erase her powers, but instead merely
did something that denied her access to them (except in dire situations, as
in with the Dire Wraiths in 187-188 and after the Mutant Massacre).  In other
words, she still POSSESSED the powers, but couldn't use them.

Now, in the X-Men vs. Alpha Flight series, anyone who possessed powers that
were magickal in nature started dying.  Storm wasn't affected... so I don't
think she's magickal.

>                                           -Drizzt
> 
>************************************************************************
>Jeff Barnes                   "Mike, if my father were alive today, you
>Western Kentucky University          know what he'd say?"
>BarneJD@WKUVX1.BITNET         "'Help, help, get me out of this coffin'?"
>                                                  -SPIDER-MAN 2099 #1
>My opinions are not necessarily those of WKU, but they should be!  :+)
>************************************************************************

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 35, Temple - 14... a MUCH more satisfying win!  :)
"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
				-- "Frank's Chair" -- 2nu -- Ponderous
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 11:39:28 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: flame war


I'm a newcomer to the net, and at first I was really happy to find a
place where I could just sit back and relax and have a little fun
talking about comics.  It was so casual.  Please, guys, can we make it a
little less intense?  This is supposed to be fun...  I think we're all
taking things a bit too seriously.  Relax!!!

:) ---- The Compulsive Comic Kid
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: General Ideas
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:33:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20767
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>X-Force without Cable and without Liefield is pretty good...16 was the only
>Issue I didn't feel too bad about buying...

GAH! You mean you bought 15 issues of a new series without even enjoying it?
I mean, sure, I'm a bit irrational when it comes to my old Spidey and X-Men
habits, but I've been buying them for, like, decades.

Whoo! No flames, here, it's your money. Just trying to comprehend the new
breed of comics buyer, tha's all.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Jamie Madrox - The Multiple Man
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:01:22 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB) writes:


>	Does anybody know the first appearance of Jamie Madrox and/or his 
>origin (the ish that it appeared in.)?  Please e-mail me!   Thanx alot in 
>advance.

Jamie Madrox aka the Multiple Man first appeared in
Giant-Sized Fantastic Four #4.
(anybody out there remember the Giant-Sized line?)

He grew up an only child on a farm in Kansas (? i think) and
his parents made him wear a "special suit". A couple of years
after his parents died, some elements of the suit wore out
and Jamie (living all alone) went slightly nuts and headed
for the big city where he ran into Ben Grimm. Several splits
later Reed Richards restrains Jamie and Prof Xavier shows up
and explains that the suit inhibited his powers and invited
him to join the school.

Later (Xmen 125 or so), Jamie is living on Muir Isle with
Moira, Alex, and Lorna when Jean Grey comes for her Holiday
visit.

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:29:26 GMT

Here's a question for you:

Currently the only X titles I buy are X-Factor and Excalibur.  Could someone
summarize all the X-Cutioner's Song issues, so I can better read X-Factor
without the rest of the crossovers?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:22:11 GMT

In article <1ah1euINNjqt@maico.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>
>In article <30SEP92.21128598.0091@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP) writes:
>>I suppose this brings up an interesting question: how much does Jamie
>>remember what happened to his dupes when he reassembles himself?  I
>>mean, even if a dupe manages to assert a distinct personality, that
>>personality must disappear or at least it would exist
>>only subconsciously.  If Jamie were to experience his
>>dupe's memories in a flash as if they were a dream, how certain can
>>he be of what really happened?  I think that might be the kind of
>>question Jamie was supposed to have been asking himself at the end of
>>X-Force #16.
>
>Well, seeing as under normal circumstances all of the Jamies are linked
>telepathically, they all know the same thing at the same time, so when
>they regroup into ONE Madrox, it's no great shock.
>
>Now, assuming that the "rogue" Madrox WASN'T linked to the "real" one,
>I'd think that Jamie has all the memories of BOTH of them, and that they
>tend to jumble in places.  So, Jamie could quite literally have "mixed
>feelings" for Siryn...
>
>(I'm still a firm believer in the theory that there's no "real" Jamie...)
>

Well, when the real jamie finally absorbed the rogue one, he says something
like "...And I'll never eat a lobster again."  This, I suppose, has to deal
with events in the Fallen Angels limited series, which means that the real
jamie has, at least, a recollection of those events.  They apparently
aren't strong ones, otherwise he wouldn't have made that comment about not
sharing anything with her.

//Karthik
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From: mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
	<1992Oct06.175201.3194@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:22:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.175201.3194@bmerh85.bnr.ca> stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad) writes:

   In article <maguire-061092091529@128.149.100.151>, maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:

   ...
   |> 3.  Get rid of Gambit.
     At the risk of being labelled a 'fanboy', I think Gambit has some
   potential as a character when written well.  It gets a little boring
   when you're sure everyone is a good guy.

When's the last time he WAS written well?  They're making him into a big cliche
like all of the crap with Wolverine's pseudopast.

   |> Stop overexposing him in every book in the Marvel Universe.

     Definitely!  I don't know anyone who appreciate Wolverine's
   over-exposure in the Marvel Universe.  But, alas, he sells comics...

If they'd write him in an interesting manner I wouldn't hate it so much.

   |> Magneto becomes field leader for X-Men.

     I think this idea has a lot of potential.  Unfortunately, any return
   of Magneto would just contribute to Marvel's growing problem with the
   "Revolving Door of Death".

I don't think you kill the acknowledged master of electromagnetism with an
electromagnetic weapon... Besides, Magneto is a great character... I'll trade
him for, oh, (dare to dream) Liefeld?

   |> 5.  <Stuff Deleted> 
   |>    New Mutants to be focused on the new school.  Scott, Jean, Ororo and
   |> Forge move to this book as faculty, as does Prof. X.

     It would be nice to see these couples in more peaceful, family
   oriented environment.  However, it requires a writer of great ability
   to keep something like this from getting boring after a while.  Are
   you sure current Marvel writers are up to the task?

Not at all.  (I'm sure; that's about the ability, as evidenced lately.)

   |>  Maybe lose Wolverine, as he goes to 
   |> find himself in the woods (in his own book).

     Hey, get rid of Gambit AND Wolverine?!?  You're talking pretty big
   changes here...  I maintain, it's not necessary to get rid of them,
   only to write them well.

Seconded... but then, that should be obvious for comic books that degenerate
into mere printed material.
--
_____________________________________________________________________________
| Michael Chen			| From the depths of our most lucid horrors |
|				| spring our fond hopes and pure desires... |
| mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu	| except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92  |
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:53:52 GMT

In article <lewandow.717480065@cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.140635.2626@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>>In article <19sqooINNglb@ashley.cs.widener.edu>, poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole) writes:
>>> Personally I want to know what happened to the acolytes of Magneto.
>
>>Read AVENGERS #350 for a brief (very brief) mention.  Seems Magneto's 
>>really dead.  Riiiiigghht!  Anyway, there'll be a crossover next year
>>between X-MEN and AVENGERS featuring the Acolytes, in which they
>>decide to go after Luna (Magneto's granddaughter) and use her to carry
>>on his legacy.  Unfortunately, they don't know she doesn't have powers
>
>Incorrect.  The concern is that the Acolytes go after Luna to kill her.
>The Acolytes tout mutantkind's superiority over other humans, with Magneto
>as their 'Savior.'  His *human* grandchild is a blemish on his superiority.
>Thus, it would be best if she were eliminated and forgotten.


You ask me, I think that we'll discover that Luna is possibly the most
powerful mutant ever, and that a part of her power is that no one can ever
prove that she is not a normal human.  Her powers would be somethink like
Bink's (from the first Xanth book), in that they will protect her from all
harm.  And, of course, to best protect her from harm, she should appear
harmless. (It was her powers that prevented Quicksilver from bathing her in
the terran mists, not the Thing -- She manipulated the events so that no
one would realize that she was her own savior.)
	Of course, this would only go on until she joined one of the
X-books, in which they find out that she is one of the twelve, a highlord,
and developes a long-range energy-based attack.  *sigh*


Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".
From: masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Time Travel
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:40:42 GMT

In article <92268.212151EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>, EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes:
> In article <18507.2ac1ceb7@ecs.umass.edu>, masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael
> Sullivan) says:
>>
>>Ok, but can't someone just speed up there rate of travel throuh time to get
>>to a future at a faster rate than anyone else?  Iron Man & Doctor Doom have
>>been there, as have the New Mutants.  Or do you mean there specific future,
>>rather than what may or may not be an alternate timeline?  Basically, does
>>your
>>theory only prohibit travel through to the time line that you will be a part
>>of, but you can travel to alternate timelines, or do you mean to say you
>>can't go to altrenate timelines either. (which, of course has already been
>>done.  This is getting confusing.
> 
> Well, you can travel to an alternate timeline, whose present may be our
> future, but I was only talking about a single timeline.  For all we know,
> these timelines may be created every time we think about doing or not
> doing something.  Physical speed is not a method of time travel.  Physics
> states that you cant go faster than light, so time travel must use some
> sort of dimensional mechanics.
> 
My reference to physical speed effecting time travel has to do with a law of
physics (or something like that) that says if you travel at cloe to the speed
of light, you could travel for, say four years, and when you stopped, five 
years would have passed in the rest of the universe.  (remember the old Discover
commercial  "... By the time I got back the baby would be an old man..")
							Mike S
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: MORE X-ECUTIONER'S SONG SPOILERS
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:49:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20803
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep28.183709.17193@news.columbia.edu> kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:
>In article <20755@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>>>My idea of Mr. Sinister:  He's the most interesting villain the x-men have
>>>gone against in quite a while.  (I rank him up there with Magneto, Nimrod,
>>>and the Master Mold---Dr. Doom doesn't count since they never met the real
>>>one.)
>>
>>This comes as a surprise to this Doom fan, considering his appearance in
>>the semi-blah X-Men vs. Fantastic Four LS.
>
>I believe that was retconned into a DoomBot by FF#352. (Which stated that
>Doom hasn't been keeping in touch much since the battle for the baxter
>building, circa FF#50.  Definitely not the same Doom that knew about
>Kitty's phasing problem.)

I dunno. I think the whole point of Simonson's neo-Doom was to let the whole
mess open for the fans to bicker over whether past appearances were the real
Doom or not (For example:  these posts! :-). I, personally, see no evidence
in characterization or plot to show that the FFvsX-Men Doom was not the real
McCoy, and the Doom in #352 had other things to worry about than reminiscing
over whether he or a Doombot fixed Kitty Pryde.

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: boehmer9694@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Magik, New Mutants(see post)
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:18:53 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm new to this so I messed up my heading. Sorry. "post" was meant to be "Re:
Magik, New Mutants". I'll try to get it right next time.
                                    Stay frosty!
                                    R.J. Boehmer
From: mspst1+@pitt.edu (Marlene S Prokop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Jae Lee
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:13:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: mspst1@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu


	Just thought I'd give my $0.02 on Jae Lee's art in the
X-Factor...I don't read Namor, but as I was reading X-Factor, I
got the distinct opinion that somewhere along the way,
everyone got attacked by famine.

	IMHO that was some nasty art!

Marlene
From: pstrem@the-sap-pitt.East.Sun.COM (Paul Strem - Sun USOPS WSU Production)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: HEY!!!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:06:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 10849@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> pstrem@the-sap-pitt.East.Sun.COM (Paul Strem) writes:
> 
> 
> >		{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
> > 			anyone at all, even my own.}
> 
> Why does this sound familiar?
> 
> 			James Willer
> {the opinions above are probably NOT those of
>  anyone at all}


Sorry,
	Saving all my pennies to afford my own .sig


					    ^
				The Flea   / \^.
					  ^



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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Rachel, Nathan etc...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:45:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.171113.26580@decuk.uvo.dec.com> mobey@arrods.enet.dec.com (arrods::mobey) writes:
>    
>    
>    here's a good one for you net folks to think over....
>    
>    Rachel wasn't an only child
>    in an issue of one or other of the comics she has a flash
>    "back" 
>    she has TWO <--------

I don't know but I think you've been inhalling too much net.fumes :-)

I'm pretty sure that I've read ALL Rachel apps. and I'm  pretty much positive
that she has never had any brothers (other than nathan born in #201)

---SCAVENGER

-- 
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From: mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: MORE X-ECUTIONER'S SONG SPOILERS
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:38:07 GMT
	<1992Sep28.144355.11961@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

First of all, why does everyone have to be a time traveller?  This
doesn't even make sense with Mr. Sinister -- he could have retrieved the
object from the future himself if he were a time traveller.
 Second, I don't believe that the Sinister at the mansion was the real
mccoy. (no pun intended).  He would have been killed if it was him, all
powers aside.  Also, he has proved to be invulnerable to all but
Cyclops, and for Bishop to just blow a hole through him is not
consistent with the past.