HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Cable Lobby for Bush?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:19:35 GMT

There was a "public service" announcement on CNN last night, telling
viewers how to find out more about the "Points of Light Foundation" or
some such organization that is working to make America great. The piece
was sponsored by the cable TV association.

I'm sure it was their way of saying, "Thank you, George."

---
Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: sug6@amber.uchicago.edu (Patrick Sugent)
Subject: Re: Veto Override
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.050303.23654@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
>  If you haven't heard already, the Cable TV Re-regulation bill became the 
>first bill to be have a veto by President Bush overridden.  The votes were
>something like 75-24 (Senate) and 308-114 (House).
>
>  Any comments on possible effects on the upcoming election ?
>
>Greg

  I tend to think it isn't a bad indicator that the Republicans in
congress (and therefore probably in general) have given up on
Bush as not having a chance to win in November.  Whether or not
this was true, this sort of attitude by GOP members is a self-fulfilling
prophecy.  

Pat

-- 
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From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush and Iran Contra
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:19:53 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:

>	Now I would like to ask, again, how did the sales of weapons
>to Iran do more than violate 'proper procedure?'  That sale, that operation,
>and those weapons have not been used against the U.S. or its alies.

Well now, let's think about this.  We can ignore any damage to the
US political system from finding out that the executive is hypocritical
and lies, because everyone knows that anyway. :-)  But who were
the arms used against?  If my time scale is right, they were
probably used against Iraq in that war, when the US was overtly
(and covertly) aiding Saddam Hussein.  So by aiding both sides,
the US enabled the war to go on for longer, probably making the
war more deadly and increasing its impact on the two countries.
Of course, one of the causes of the Iraq/Kuwait war was that
Iraq was so far in debt, due to the war with Iran...

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Bill Clinton T-shirts
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:19:54 GMT

e-mail if interested. or call 518- 235-0994 to order from Dynamic
Graphics.



Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Bush cowardice? I think not (RE More Bush Cowardice)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:59:27 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
: This does not preclude providing suffient textbooks (up to date ones,
: and not the 10 year-old discards from other districts) for all the
: students, lab equipment, plugging holes in the ceiling, etc.  This is
: the main thrust of Kozol's argument.  He also brings up a number of
: court decisions in Texas and somewhere else (I don't recall where)
: that stated that there is no reasonable excuse for the enormous
: disparities in the facilities between wealthy and poor districts.  For
: instance, a lack of good textbooks would crimp anyone's ability to do
: homework, even if they are well motivated.

One of the biggest problems that I have with funding patterns between
"inner city" and suburban school districts is that many of the inner
city schools are physically in bad shape -- holes in the ceiling (as you
indicated), lead in the drinking water, faulty or exposed wiring, 
the building not meeting fire codes, etc.

I agree that a properly motivated student can learn, even if the 
local or state government isn't spending that much money on him/her.
However, it would be nice if school systems had the funding to keep
their buildings in decent shape.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92
From: khanh@curtiss.seas.ucla.edu (Khanh V. Nguyen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: A NEW WAY TO REDUCE THE PUBLIC DEBT
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:15:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

This is the answer to the criticisms of my proposed plan to reduce the 
public debt thru inflation:

A continuous public debt is not unusual, but America's debt has reached
a point that it is no longer manageable. The govt. has to borrow more
and more to pay the interest. This pyramid game sooner or later will 
explode. The only thing to do then is to declare the bankrupcy of the
United States and to auction America. My plan is painful, but it is
a kind of Shock Therapy. As soon as the debt has been devalued to a 
certain point, a new currency will be established to eliminate the high
inflation.

Many people point to Brazil, Argentina, ....  as counter examples
to my plan. They miss the point that most of the debts of these nations
are in foreign currencies, therefore no matter how high their inflation
is, their debt will not be significantly reduced.

In the case of Germany's hyper-inflation after W.W.I, see how the bankrupted
nation became the dominating power in Europe ten years later. After all, 
I do not call for a hyper-inflation. A 30% inflation in two years is enough
to reduce the public debt to half (While it needs to double the income tax
of all Americans just to eliminate this year's deficit, not to mention to
reduce the debt, source: Perot's "United We Stand")

I believe that given the current public debt, inflation is inevitable. But
the sooner we accept it, the less painful it is. 

The problem is that most Americans underestimate the size of the public
debt and overestimate America's ability to pay. They still think that
the debt can be reduce by traditional ways (cut spending, increase tax ...)
That's why my painful but efficient plan is not understood.

Kan Nuel.


     "This note is LEGAL tender for all debts, PUBLIC and private"
                                 Quoted from US's one dollar bill.

 



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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:23:15 GMT
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: Netcom San Jose

Note follup to t.a.

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes ...
>An unborn child is innocent, and deserves a chance to live.

Plants and animals are also innocent.  What'd you have for lunch?
Mother's may also be innocent, why should they be punished?

Or do you consider sex to be a crime?

> A murderer has
>obviously done something heinous-execution is not just some arbitrary
>killing.  Abortion has the potential to be used liked this.  I'm
>concerened about abortion being used as a method of eugenics, abortion
>when an unborn child is deemed "inferior" or "undesirable" by someone
>else's standards.

Which is, of course, different than you deciding a mother's wishes are 
to be deemed inferior to your standards.  (yes, that _was_ sarcastic)

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Every improvement in communication
ray@netcom.com                 makes the bore more terrible"  Frank Moore Colby
From: bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Bush's "Agenda" -- where's my copy?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:25:40 GMT
Organization: End of the Road
NNTP-Posting-Host: s27w007.pswfs.gov
Keywords: Bush

In article <30SEP199210302828@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:
>	It has been three weeks now since I called up that 800 number to
>order Bush's "Agenda for American Renewal", and I still haven't received it.


The Bush campaign has pulled the plug on the 800 number.
Apparently they did not want the public actually reading the thing.

    --Brad Sherman

It's certainly one of the more boring titles I've seen; especially
considering that it doesn't even have a colon in it.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice
Organization: gte
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.201354.25128@morrow.stanford.edu>, GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.192058.23973@cs.mcgill.ca>,
> costin@cs.mcgill.ca (Costin RIZAN) writes:
> >>Bush's position is that a woman should be forcibly prevented from
> >>paying someone to perform an abortion, even if she considers it morally
> >>permissible to do so.  Clinton's position is that a woman should be
> >>forcibly compelled to pay someone to perform an abortion, even if she
> >>considers it morally reprehensible to do so.  Neither one of them is
> >>pro-choice.
> >>
> >        Please explain what you mean by forcibly compelled. How can
> >        Clinton force a woman to get an abortion? I don't get it.
> 
> He didn't say "force a woman to get an abortion" he said said forced
> to pay for "someone"'s abortion.  This happens when abortions are
> financed with tax dollars since the government does not provide any
> moral exemptions from taxation.
> 

The abortion paid for by tax dollars is a lot cheaper than 18 years
of AFDC/Welfare/Food Stamps/etc that will be paid if the abortion 
is not had (face it, if she/they cannot pay for an abortion, they
cannot afford to raise a child.)



-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Polls
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.081935.1@azcc.arizona.edu> kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu writes:
>
>P.S. Forget about all these polls that everyone keeps posting. Without
>details as to who the people polled are or the type of polls, they are
>useless. Lets see what they national polls are like.

Actually, state-level polls are the ones that really count,
since states (via the electoral college) are the entities which
elect a President.  I like seeing the state-level polls
posted here, and thanks to those who post them.

>I hope Clinton
>doesn't coast too much more or he may find himself behind.

Me, too.

>Look for a
>big surprise from the Bush camp soon. Remember Ferraro, she had a 20 point
>lead in the polls 2 weeks before the election!!

During the past weekend, I watched a few tv pundit discussion
shows.  Even fans of the Bush admitted that Clinton's core support
is pretty strong.  Most of the pundits said that there is little
GHWB can do to improve his standing enough to win the election.
However, they also seemed to agree that a major flub by
Clinton (unlikely) or an international shock could tip
enough votes to GHWB.  One person suggested something of
the magnitude of a hard-liner overthrow of Boris Yeltsin
would do the trick.

You don't suppose that the RepublCons would attempt to
manipulate an international crisis to enhance their
election possibilities?  Nah, couldn't happen ...


-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: the abyss
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:44:07 GMT

let's face it, we have peered into the political abyss
and we have seen its face: Ross Perot.
Mr Schneider on CNN, obviously very anti-Perot,
stated that Perot is similar to a Mega-PAC.
Although this is a good point, it is not
accurate. The point is that the two parties
have been PACed to death and are now brain-dead.
The parade of Democrats and Republicans
all claiming to be SOOOO much in agreement
with Perot is very sickening. The parties
have turned Washinton into a Las Vegas gambling
casino.  When Perot comes in and asks to understand
the "House" rules, no one knows what to do and we
get this parade of zombies in Dallas.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: New Indiana Poll
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:17:46 GMT

A new poll of 800 some odd "registered voters" this weekend showed a
dead heat with a lot of undecideds.  IUPUI, who are the most accepted
pollsters in the state found:

Bush    %33.5
Clinton %32.8
Perot   %3.8
Undecided %30

I see that this adds up to slightly more than %100 so obviously I
misremembered the exact percentages, but this is very close to what
IUPUI reported.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.censorship
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Mike Royko: Schwarzenegger and Family Values
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:44:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.144840.10335@midway.uchicago.edu> shou@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <28SEP92.22145685@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>The columnist had an amusing editorial the other day. The general point
>>involved the irony of the chairman of the President's Council for Physical
>>Fitness making movies in which he (Schwarzenegger, not the Presid) breaks
>>into police stations and uses an automatic weapon to mow down officers.
>
>What a completely nonsensical view.  Take note:  Arnold was playing a
>_bad guy_.  In the end, he gets killed by the _good guys_.  I know this
>is a hard concept to grasp among those who have a hard time telling the
>difference, but still it's an important one.

Gee, when Ice-T portrays a character in one of his songs that supports
killing police, the Republicans are up in arms.
-- 
           .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: I HEARD ROSS PEROT WILL BE BACK
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:56:01 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

joseph.m.knapp writes:
>
>After seeing his press conference just now with the Democrats in Dallas 
>(C-SPAN), I no longer doubt that whatever he's doing, it's in the benefit 
>of Bill Clinton. He more or less endorsed the Clinton side of the question 
>of whether we should have an activist government program to revive the 
>economy. He also acknowledged that there is some reasonable question as
>to whether right now is the time to apply the "brakes" or the "accelerator"
>(i.e., government investment).
>

Do a little analysis about who benefits from a Perot campaign: George Bush.
If Perot's stated positions more closely resemble Clinton's (and they
superficially do) whose vote will be split: Bill Clinton's. 

Am I accusing Perot of running a similar campaign to Pat Buchanan's...i.e.
Buchanan ran to defuse a potential thorn-in-the-side, in-for-keeps campaign
by David Duke...I think the answer is "yes." Perot's former supporters
split almost 4-1 for Clinton when Perot dropped from the race. He is
in there solely to re-elect George Bush.

A vote for Perot is a vote for Bush.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Media Bias
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:43:44 GMT

Hello, beloved world, this is an example of media bias;
In the Saturday Chicago Tribune the story in Section 'A' with 'Perot'
in the headline includes a segment about Bush's stop in Chicago.
I was at this stop, and I can personally vouch that there were
not '250 chanting students,' primarily since the school year does
not start until next week, and thus most students are not around.
There were bunches of old people, people driven in from California
the East Coast and every in between, old people, some graduate students,
and a few undergards like me who got jobs in Hyde Park over the summer.
I wasn't protesting Bush so much as the protesters.  You should see
me with the sign saying [Protest the "Protesters"("Political Pawns"
more apropriate)] standing in the midst of a group of about fifty people.
[250, yah right!]  Hopefully the sign will be seen in any press pictures,
but then the press and the crowd did some funny things;
	1)Tried to censor me; "Don't talk to him..."
	2)Made fun of and tried to intimidate me...
	3)Some live-action camera crews zoomed in to the dancing chicken,
for a close up, purposefully getting my sign out of the picture despite
the fact that I was right behind the 'chicken.'  For those who wonder,
they got reeeaall close physically.

	There were some people willing to conduct intelligent discussions
and these included a graduate student in history, and some girl from 
California. There was some old couple who were really annoyed with and kept  
bugging me.  The whole 'protest' was more like a party... Let me explain...
	As the conventioneers were leaving the building, the whole crowd starte
d following a few cheerleaders who would yell '4 more months,' or
'Bush is a liar,' or some such blather.  At the 'months,' I would
yell 'years,' real loud since obviously no-one was talking to me and there
was nothing better to do...They changed the yell to 'no more years.' How
silly.  Someone in the crowd asked 'isn't there anything positive we
can shout for Clinton?' Nobody answered but me, after a pause' nope.'
	It was great. The yelled 'we want Bill!' 'We want Bill!' I
added a 'the' before 'bill'-'We want [the] Bill!' The whole crowd broke
up. It was great. Finally admitting that Democrats like to pay taxes!
Anyway, I didn't get to urinate on anyone because of all the police.
But I'm sure at least someone out there, if only secret service agents,
got a laugh at all the idiots who were claiming to be 'protesting.'

			J. Wagner

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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:16:18 GMT


What I am upset about is the way abortion is sometimes used as a method
of birth control.

You've got to admit, there some hypocrisy on the part of some pro-choice
promoters- they say abortion is ok, then talk about the "tragedy" of the
death penalty.

Simon

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: call 1-800-925-1300 if you want Perot to run
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.015238.19372@b30.ingr.com>, pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick
Fitzgerald) writes:

|>joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
|>
|>
|>>Over 500,000 calls were logged in the first 30 minutes and over a million
|>>calls by this morning.
|>
|>I read in the paper that some people are upset, because they called the
|>number to tell him _not_ to run.  The number is just an automated counter,
|>so they inadvertently logged a "yes" vote.
|>
|>So take the above numbers with a grain of salt.

Sounds like Bush and Clinton should get together to fund a dump Perot line.

How many of these calls were made by Perot himself? 500,000 calls in 30 minutes
can only be a lie. If each call lasts no more than 10s they must have over 1500
lines kept continuously busy. They may be able to by a switchboard that can
theoreticaly do that but the underlying comms infrastructure would not be able
to support it.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Clinton Vs. OK Governer in DC?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 01:04:15 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Is there any truth to the rumor that Bill Clinton and the governer of
Oklahoma made a bet to see who could get laid more in DC, and that the
governer of Oklahoma won?  If this has any truth to it, what was the
score?

:)

Stratocaster
-- 
	   Steve Davis (I'm a student, not a spokesperson!)
      strat@cis.ksu.edu - Kansas State University - Manhattan KS
				   
   "I *AM* Doctor Spin!" - The Vice President of the United States
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Perot, the contradictions tally.
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:29:25 GMT

Here's  a new game for all the familly based on the old favorite card game
"Snap" and Perots "United we stand".

Rules:-

1: Chose a section from UWS or other Perot propaganda

2: Find the matching section that says the opposite!

For example:-

# Ring this number and tell me if I should stand!

Matches with:-

# When he was suddenly faced with the opportunity to make the Louisiana
# Purchase, Thomas Jefferson didn't take a poll. He acted.
#
# When he was confronted by the devastation of Western Europe after the war,
# Harry Truman didn't hesitate. He acted.
#
# An American President is supposed to be able to see past the moment. He
should
# be able to see history in the making. He should be capable for shaping
history
# in America's interest.
#
# That is the standard by which our Presidents should be measured.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion