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From: bushman@che.utexas.edu (Scott Bushman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Keyboard Problems / lock-up on GATEWAY 2000
Keywords: Gateway keyboard problems lock-up
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:53:42 GMT
Reply-To: bushman@che.utexas.edu (Scott Bushman)
Organization: UT Department of Chemical Engineering
Originator: bushman@ward.che.utexas.edu


First off, I  *do* enjoy OS/2 2.0.  It is certainly a better DOS than
DOS, however, whether it is a better WINDOWS than WINDOWS remains to
be seen (although I am not a frequent user this much is clear).

In any case, My PROBLEM:

I have occations where I loose control of some of the keyboard
functions.  Specifically, The CRTL and ALT keys do not operate
properly. 

The computer which I use is a 486DX2/50 from Gateway 2000 with 8 Meg
ram.  Gateway has a special keyboard they use called the AnyKey, which
allows the user to program key sequences to other keys.  For example,
I have my email address, assigned to CRTL-0 for convinence.  While
running CUTE/CP, I experience intermitent loss of this function.
While this is not a tragedy, the eventual result to crash the system.

Has ANYBODY out there in net-land experienced similar problems???
Maybe on other systems???

Reading through various literatures (OS2 TNT, OS2 Info Guide, manuals,
FAQ) I have not found any references to this type of problem.  (For
those who don't know, the OS2 Tips and Techniques and the OS2
Information and Planning Guide are available from ftp at
hobbes.nmsu.edu in pub/os2/2.0/info).


thanks,

Scott Bushman
Dept. of Chemical Engineering 60400        phone:   (512) 471-1046
University of Texas @ Austin	           FAX:     (512) 471-7060
Austin, TX  78712-1062		           e-mail:  bushman@che.utexas.edu


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University of Texas @ Austin	           FAX:     (512) 471-7060
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: Adding a Hard Drive
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:28:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.122333.13077@linus.mitre.org> dbrake@cyclone.mitre.org (Dennis Brake (PSI) X7767) writes:
>   1) I've added this disk to the BIOS (AMI 5/90) using 1272 cylinders
>      and it reports 211 Mb. When I run FDISK it only reports 161 Mb for 
>      the drive. It seems that the BIOS or OS/2 is only allowing 1024 
>      cyl.  So, I changed the BIOS setup per Segate's extensive :-)
>      documentation to have less than 1024 cyl. The BIOS and FDISK now 
>      report 201 Mb.  My question is, where is the cyl. limit being applied
>      and can I get my 10 Mb back?

The correct values for a ST-1239A (assuming you have a USER TYPE
setting in your BIOS but most AMI ones have one) are 818 cylinders, 14
heads and 36 sectors. This gives 201MB which is correct. Ad's normally
say this HD has 211MB but that's exactly 211 Million bytes, i.e. 211 *
1000 * 1000 bytes. Actually, 211 * 1000 * 1000 ~= 201 * 1024 * 1024
which is 201MB. If you had another setting with 211MB displayed, you
would shortly have experienced problems when writing near the end of you
HD ...

>   2) I would like to keep C: as it is (FAT with dual boot) and put 
>      OS/2 on D: (HPFS). This way I can boot DOS using dual boot 
>      or from a floppy and access all the files on C:. The big question 
>      how do I acomplish this? I've tried to reinstall OS/2 on D: and
>      FDISK will only allow me to create or delete a partition.

You will have to install BootManager on the first HD and completely
reinstall from floppies, but onto D:.

But why not moving the Apps to D: and keep the OSes on C:, for
simplicity? 

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: "kenneth tam" <kenneth.tam@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: pmterm full screen?
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:35:52 EST
Reply-To: "kenneth tam" <kenneth.tam@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> >Is there anyway to run PM Terminal full-screen?
->
-> Since it is a Presentation Manager application the most you can get
-> is Maximize.

This brings up something that's been bothering me for awhile.  Is there
a good reason why we can't switch an OS/2 CMD.EXE session between
Windowed and FullScreen modes (like DOS sessions via Alt-Home)?  This
would _really_ come in handy sometimes.

kenneth.tam@canrem.com
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From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: no service after 1994 ?
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:06:10 GMT
Organization: Private Site

Well, what does this mean?

 Service expiration date :

 4/30/94 No program services are available after this date


One can read this on all packages of OS/2.

 Marten

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From: anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ATI Ultra - Diamond Stealth Drivers Available
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:47:38 GMT
Organization: Mayo Foundation

It is my understanding that the ATI Graphics Ultra card can emulate an 8514/
a and thus not require drivers other than those normally supplied with OS/2 
ver 2.0 to function.  Right?


Question:  Do OS/2 2.0 drivers exist for either the Ultra or the Diamond 
Stealth that will take advantage of OS/2?  I'm looking for at least 
800x600.


My calls to Diamond to see if they have OS/2 drivers available have not been 
returned by them.


(PS: For those in the know - if you were purchasing one or the other of 
these video cards to use in a 486DX with the intended purpose of OS/2 Ver 2.
0 development as well as MS Win 3.1 development......which would you choose?)

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 13:19:05 EDT
From: <RICHARD@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Fastback and OS/2
Distribution: sqnt
 <1992Jul28.061939.21789@sequent.com>

I used Fastback 1.xx and 2.xx happily for 8 years in DOS.
I moved to 3.xx, found it wouldn't work under OS/2 (possibly
for the reasons mentioned in earlier articles) but found it would
backup ok in DOS.

I recently switched machines and discovered to my horror that
restoration was erratic!  After much hair pulling, I moved to
Norton Backup 2.0 for DOS, found it much more intuitive than Fastback 3.xx
and, best of all, it works.

Hopefully, good OS/2 backup packages will come along one of these days.
In the meanwhile, I am extremely pleased with Norton Backup in DOS.
(Yes, I paid about $100 to make the move, but it's a small price for
peace of mind.)

Richard
The American University
Washington, DC
From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Any Body know the IBM OS/2 toll free support line??
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:38:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: sundaram@indian.cps.msu.edu


Hi all,

Could some kind soul tell me the IBM support number for OS/2 2.0?

Thanks
Divya
(sundaram@cps.msu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: des@frogland.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Deskjet 500 printing problem
Organization: INMOS architecture group
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:34:09 BST

In article <1992Jul28.235753.22944@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, hamzy@cse.fau.edu (Mark Hamzy) writes:
>Some tests to make sure that the OS/2 side printing works is: a print screen
>of the desktop or drag and drop config.sys and select plain text.

i got a wierd problem with by dj500 doing this. it appeared that
my config.sys was about 1 or 2 lines of "pixels" too long to
fit on one page so it printed the second page with this vague
dotted line at the top and then proceded to empty the paper in
tray printing blank pages .... this *wasn't* the "usual" one
extra page bug ... it appeared to be in a infinite formfeed
loop!

anyone else seen this, know a fix.

things seem happier with other files or with other methods of
printing.

btw ... why doesn't the printer know about breaking pages on
line breaks rather than at the relevant pixel line
-- its current mode is a bit irritating as you get a line
split between two pages.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Improving OS2 performance question
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:08:47 GMT

In article <2178727@overmind.citadel> uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.!ivan@overmind.mind.org writes:
> >
> >NOTHING is going to help you like 4 more MB of RAM is going to help
> >you.  Get the RAM, change to HPFS, and you'll find that OS/2 literally
> >runs several times faster.
> >-- 
> 
> I've heard that there are a few bugs with HPFS.  Is it safe to use and can I 
> convert HPFS file back to FAT at a later date?

Are we getting an echo in this newsgroup? I thought I replied to this a couple
of days ago........
 
Anyway......HPFS works great. After three months of daily use, i have had no
problems at all. I leave it alone and it leaves me alone. I do a CHKDSK /F
once a week but it never shows any problems....
 
Steve
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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  and bright in my eyes, 
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            |  And the stars going round in 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Help, I've sorted and I can't get up!
From: Dan Karipides <DK6TOPER@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 13:07:54 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I ran into a strange problem with the OS/2 Desktop.
 
I clicked MB2 on the backround and selected "Sort..."  As expected, the
Dsektop icons were sorted alphabetically.  I decided, however, that this
wasn't what I wanted.  So I tried sorting the icons in a number of different
ways; i.e., by type, by creation date, etc.  None of these put the icons
exactly the way I wanted them.
 
Fine, I said.  I'll just go back to the default ordering of the icons.
The only questions is: How?  I even tried moving the by hand (OK, by mouse),
but clicking on "Arrange" flips them back to the last sorted order.
 
Is there something I'm missing?
 
Thanks in advance.
                                                      -Dan
From: mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PC Week dumping on MS
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:36:31 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel) writes:

> Someone recently posted a description of the latest PC Week's article
> on NT and how it won't run all DOS and Windows programs.  As I read
> through the magazine, I was amazed to find article after article
> dumping on NT or raising doubts about its capabilities in the initial
> release.
> Talk about an about face!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu
> Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391
> When asked his position on euthanasia, our local state rep. responded:
> "I support youth all over the world."

 
All the more reason not to buy PC Week.  To put it simply:
 
NT's architecture, or operations specifications, are quite extensive and
in order to achieve some results, others such as "complete DOS 
compatibility" must be discarded.  Security and other measures were
addressed.
 
PC Week appears to be under the hallucination that an Operating System
can cover all the bases.  In fact, PC Week would like to see:
 
The Killer OS
-------------
This baby will run everything!
 
1. Badly behaved DOS applications.
2. VCPI/DPMI/386-control applications.
3. MAC System 7, 6, 5, 4...
4. DOS 1.0 up.
5. OS/2 1.x, 2.x
6. Unix
7. Name your Operating System
 
Only then, would PC Week have an unbiased article.
 

mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us
 
- A warning to anyone, still in command...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Irwin Tape Drives
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:24:38 GMT

johnb@am.dsir.govt.nz (John Burnell) writes:


>The Irwin tape drives are supposed to support OS/2 through EZTape PM. Does
>anyone have any experience with these drives? Does EZTape run under V2.0? How
>much does it cost?

Last time I checked EZTape for OS/2 2.0 wasn't out yet. I haven't checked
lately.

>I am considering purchasing one of these drives when I visit the States next
>month, and would like to get some information about them. I have seen the
>250MB Accutrak+ advertised for around $300. Does this include the controllers
>etc required to operate the drive?

The latest version doesn't require a controller. It works off the floppy
controller, even with two floppy drives installed. I believe the "+"
version is the drive with the EZTape Windows software. I think the
normal version will be what you want.

>Thanks in advance for any help
>John Burnell



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From: mg15@prism.gatech.EDU (Glynn,Mike)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Image adapter/A driver for OS/2 2.0..WHERE?
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:44:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I know it is on Compuserve but I don't have access.
I just installed the adapter and need the driver.
Where can I get it via FTP?

Thanks 
Mike Glynn

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.periphs.scsi
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: OS/2 and SCSI
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:33:21 GMT

Could someone please offer me some advice about the following setup:
40 Mb IDE
200 Mb SCSI (AHA1542b)

I am trying to get OS/2 2.0 to allow me to boot from the second disk, the SCSI
disk, and allow access to the IDE disk, as well.  I set up a Boot Manager
partition at the beginning of the first disk, and a 32 Mb OS/2 boot partition
at the end of the SCSI disk, and installed the OS/2 boot partition into boot
manager.  When I had primary DOS partitions on the IDE and the SCSI, I was
unable to access the IDE disk at all from OS/2.  I changed the primary DOS
partitions to extended partitions, and OS/2 starts to boot, then gives me a
CANNOT FIND COUNTRY.SYS in line 33, error.  Well, I tried booting the OS/2
floppy, and my OS/2 partition is still there, and the config.sys is intact, and
correct.  So, why the error?  And, is there any way to get this setup to 
work?

I called IBM's technical support, and they just told me that I shouldn't
use an IDE and a SCSI disk, and that I can't boot with a 1542.  Well, since
I know that that is incorrect, maybe someone on the net can tell me the real
scoop about partitioning, and how to get OS/2 to boot from the second drive
and still recognize the first.

Sorry for the lengthy post, and thanks for any help you can give.
Meir

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca (Pat Duffy)
Subject: Interesting places that use OS/2.
Keywords: jumbo, tape, backup, colorado
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:19:05 GMT

Hi All,

I was just on the phone with SemWare this morning ordering QEdit for OS/2 from
them and found out that they run their DOS QEdit under the DOS emulation of
OS/2.  Kinda neat.  The tech. there said he spends most of his day in DOS boxes.

I also asked about a 2.0-specific version and was told that yes, they were 
working on one (or would be soon), and that it would support HPFS and likely be
a PM app.  Cool.

I was also told (by a friend) that Borland runs BC++ 3.1 in a DOS box under
OS/2 (at least the tech that my friend spoke to did).

Things are looking better and better... :-)
-- 
Patrick Duffy, duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca 

May our nation continue to be the beakon of hope to the world.
                -- The Quayle's 1989 Christmas card.
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions of Windows NT
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:19:47 GMT
 <y=qmc2#.msmith@netcom.com>
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <y=qmc2
>Give me a Mother F..... break I do not think anybody would seriously think
>that
>a system that does not support CONCURRENT  multiple users is a multi user     m
>syste
>
>If multiple user profiles is considered enough to make a system multi user
>then
>DOS can be made multi user. Just create a little old routine that stores
>different autoexec.bats and a baby menu that allows you to enter a name and
>voila MULTI-USER DOS.
>
>Microsoft must hope that we are all morons who believe what they say all the
>time.
>
>Please get a grip multiple user profiles does not equate to multi user.
>
Even CP/M on my 14 year old Trash 80 computer was multiuser. There was a USERx
command which allowed me to see  only the files of USER x on the floppy.

Michael Bode.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Subject: A couple of questiosn on how to ....
Originator: sundaram@indian.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:15:11 GMT


Hi all,

	I installed OS/2 (finally ;,) and now have buko questions about how to
	do stuff.. Is there any source where I can get this info readily. I
	have read the FAQ. But ....

	1) How do I set up WPS so that when I click on an icon it starts a 
	second session of the object?

	2) Where can I get Qedit for OS/2?

	3) How do I edit the configs on the DOS sessions?

	4) Any tips on how to actually get good info from the help index ?

	5) Any recommendations on good communications packages for OS/2. I 
		have a 9600 baud modem and Procomm/DOS really F*cks things 
		up - loses characters etc.

Thanks for any advice.
Later
Divya
(sundaram@cps.msu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re:  Dvorak switches to OS/2!!
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:13:34 GMT

In article <heinz.02pw@edohwg.UUCP> heinz@edohwg.UUCP (Heinz Wrobel) writes:
>IMHO you need at least 8MB to get something done with OS/2 but that's
>debatable. He's right with most ET4000 boards, though. With the OS/2
>package I can buy at any store, I eventually get nice flashy fireworks with
>my ET4000. Poor B.J. user won't be able to get patches and updates easily.
>It took me almost three weeks to get my OS/2 package running just becuase I
>couldn't get a hold of a driver update...

I don't think that saying most ET4000 boards will not work with OS/2
is correct. It is only the newer version of the chip that has
problems. I could be wrong but I was assuming that the newer chip was
so new that they did not have time to test it. At any rate, I would
set the number around 30% if that high...

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From: jwty@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Strange problems...
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:18:55 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Okay, here's one for the wizards:

  May be one problem, might be several.  Icons stay grayed after apps
are shut down.  Shredding a folder on the desktop causes an error that
requires the WPS to close down and restart.  And (like some other unlucky
users) the Shutdown procedure... doesn't.


  Any ideas?

	Chris Koresko
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 13:38:59 EDT
From: Jerry Bryan <BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: os/2 ram drive
Distribution: comp

1. VDISK.SYS is a part of OS/2.

2. It can be installed on a case by case basis for DOS sessions in
   the DOS settings.

3. It can be installed in CONFIG.SYS, in which case it becomes
   accessible to all DOS, Windows, and OS/2 sessions.

4. It is FAT only (yuck).

5. OS/2 developers apparently believe that a RAM disk is not important
   in the OS/2 environment due to large memory (just keep the data in
   memory and never write it to disk) and/or disk caching.  I
   humbly disagree.

6. A RAM disk can totally eliminate disk I/O if you have enough memory.
   Disk caching does not eliminate all I/O because all writes happen
   eventually, even with lazy write.


There is a side issue to which this discussion is peripherally related.
IBM talks about a better DOS than DOS and a better Windows than Windows.
The first half of this claim seems to me to be true in nearly all cases,
and the second half is arguably true at least some of the time. However,
it seems to me that in some ways OS/2 provides a better DOS than OS/2,
and I think that is unfortunate.  What I mean by that is that a DOS
window supports numerous settings that are local to the window, but
OS/2 settings are global.  For example, it is possible for DOS windows
to have private RAM disks of varying sizes, but it is not possible
(to my knowledge -- corrections, please) for OS/2 windows to have
private RAM disks of varying sizes.  Also, any settings private to
a DOS window can be set without rebooting your hardware, but many
OS/2 settings can only be established in CONFIG.SYS and therefore
require a hardware reboot.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Subject: Re: OO File system (was re: os/2's som)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:44:29 GMT

In article <BrssDz.Dyw@apollo.hp.com> ced@APOLLO.HP.COM (Carl Davidson) writes:
>
>The best example of an object-oriented file system I know of is the 
>Apollo Domain file system. It does *precisely* what Pete describes, 
>i.e. the I/O system knows how to determine the type of object you are 
>

Hahahahhahha!

If NT has an operating system like Domain, it'll fall flat on it's
face! Domain's BSD type UNIX sucked rocks! Incompatible, unstable, 
unpredictable, etc.

Gimme Sun hardware/software any day over Apollo. Good thing HP bailed
Apollo out.

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>Chelmsford System Software Lab | Microkernels: Where less is more.
>The Hewlett-Packard Company    | 
>DOMAIN: ced@apollo.hp.com      |


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