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From: MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Marty Helgesen)
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Subject: Re: REPLY-RELAYED PRAYER REQUESTS
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:21:35 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Shelby,

RADIO FREE THULCANDRA is a Christian-oriented science fiction fanzine
I edit and publish.  It is not a Christian magazine with a special
interest in science fiction, but a fanzine with a special interest
in Christianity and how it relates to science fiction, fantasy, and
fandom.  I have mentioned it from time to time on Christia before.  As
I did those times I will offer a sample copy to anyone who requests
it.  Since it is printed on paper, anyone who wants it will have to
send me his snail mail address.

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Marty Helgesen
Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm   Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu

"Just say know to Gnosticism"
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For you computer-buffs out there...
------------------------------- Original Message -------------------------------
          I think there is a world market for about five computers.

                            -Thomas J. Watson
                             Chairman of the Board-IBM, 1943
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From:         MICHELE LOFTON <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Subjects discussed here

> Roman Catholic Bashing -- Someone already stating something about not
>                           having strive between believers.  Still, the
>                           RCC needs a serious visitation.
>                           (note: I am not nor have I ever been any form
>                           of Catholic)

Could you please explain some more about these statements, Theodore?
The two sentences seem to contradict each other.

Michele Lofton <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
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From: aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis)
Subject: Re: Trinity...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:00:54 GMT
Reply-To: Arlie Davis <aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Organization: University of Louisville

In <foo> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
> In article <bar> Arlie Davis <aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> writes:
> >In <baz> A16905@ITESO.BITNET writes:
> >> The Alpha and Omega is God and also the Lamb.
> >> The First and the Last is God and also the Lamb.
> >> Worthy of all praise, honoy, glory.....is God and also the Lamb.
> >
> >I'm sorry, but this is terribly poor English.  Could you please elaborate?
> >
> >"The Alpha and Omega is God and also the Lamb."
> >
> >First, "The Alpha and Omega" is the subject of the sentence.  So why is the
> >verb, "to be", singular, along with the nominative subject, "God"?

>    You are incorrect on this tidbit of English grammar.  "The Alpha
> and Omega" is obviously singular, because Christ is both, cf. Christ's
> words, "I am the Alpha and the Omega."  The Alpha and the Omega is
> Christ.  The Alpha and the Omega [ Christ ] is God, and [ Christ is ]
> also the Lamb.

This is exactly what I was looking for: a clarification of what the phrase
means.

> [ more ad hominem attacks deleted ]

Ad hominem attacks?  On the contrary, I have only asked what the post meant,
I in no way insulted the original poster.

> >A little consistency, and simple mastery of the language, will greatly
> >increase your credibility, Christians.

>    If you had examined the author's return address, you might have
> noticed that he is located in Mexico (.mx), and therefore most likely
> a Mexican.  Could you please demonstrate for us your command of the
> _Spanish_ language?

I do not pretend to have any mastery of Spanish at all.  However, that does
nothing to answer my original critique of the post.

The whole concept of this "Trinity" eludes me.  One is the other, and the
other is the last, but none are each other?  Please explain; it makes no
sense at all to me.

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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Prayer request

There was a little five year old girl in our town who was taken from her
porch steps yesterday and attacked.  She returned wearing no clothes and
bleeding.  It is being called the city's worst sexual molestation case
in recent years, and Louisville, KY is not a small city (though not huge
either).

Pray not just for this little girl (who at last report was in the hospital)
and her family, but that the man who could do such a thing will not be able
to live with himself until he turns himself in and gets help.  Pray also
that this kind of madness will stop.

Brenda
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:01:47 -0500
From:         MG_BROWN@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      My Thanksgiving list

I have so many things to thank God for. Here's my list:

1. My family--each and every one of them is so special. I thank God we are
close, healthy, and able to be there for each other.
2. My mom and my 2 kitty-cats who I live with--and who take care of me!

3.  That I am provided for in such and abundant way-- I have never known
hunger or homelessness, and I have freedom to believe in the religion I
want, and to read (and own ) a Bible.
4.My parents and sister for laying a foundation while I was young.
5. The little things that God reveals His wonder in--  stars, a snowflake,
flowers, babies.
6.  God for never letting go of my hand--chastizing me with love, for seeing
me as His child despite my inadequacies and undeservedness.
7. My new friends on Christia and the fellowship I've found there!
You all brighten my days, give me encouragement and make me think!
God Bless you all!

                                Melanie :)
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From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: Prison Ministry

Madge,

I haven't got anything to hand, but I heard at church last night
that this is "Prisoner Week" where the church is asked to think
and pray about prison ministry, the lack of resources to enable
prison to be a place of rehabilitation and learn compassion for
those prisoners it would be easier to forget because of the deeds
that put them there.
There are also prayers for those "victums" of crimes and those
inprisoned for their beliefs and those banged up despite not
committing crimes.
One of the bible bits used was Isa. 56 (?)  (sorry, I can never
remember chapt. & verse) it is the passage that includes giving
food to the hungry, comfort to widows and freeing the captives.
It was used along side an account of a person who through
poverty needed to raise money for his education and so agreed to
carry a package into this country (nobody said if he knew what it
contained, mainly because this doesn't matter now.)  What does
matter is this man feels FREE now - he became a christian.  He faces
great trials when he returns home - his "home" is an islamic place
and to change faith isn't easy.  The conditions he lives in are dire
but he has taken on the task of cleaning the chapel (it seats about
200 - not small) and he uses it as a way to show how he feels about
God - the place is spotless.
Prisons are both hell on earth and places of hope.

Carol A Long,  Southampton Institute of Higher Education, England
        email     :  Z_STAFF_CL@UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE
DISCLAIMER - merely musings unless otherwise stated.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
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Subject: Re: Gays in the military
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:18:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <CHRISTIA%92111705580421@ASUACAD.BITNET> MKLINE@VDH.BITNET (Michael A. Kline) writes:

>This may  well not  happen anyhow. Already  rumors are  circulating from
>several  sources that  if Clinton  does lift  the ban,  resignations and
>early retirement requests will number in the tens of thousands.

This strikes me as extremely hypocritical (not you, Michael, but the
potential resignations you've mentioned).  When I lived in the
Philippines, I lived near the Naval base at Subic Bay.  Occasionally, I
went there to visit, and boy, was it depressing.  The town around the base
became known throughout the Philippines as Sin City because of the huge
prostitution and drug trades that exist there, and that came into
existance only after our forces set up camp there.  The behavior of the
U.S. troops in their off-hours was appalling; I was ashamed to be from the
same country as these guys.  

How can these same men point fingers at homosexuals and say that they're
any better?  The Bible never ranks sin; warped sexuality is warped
sexuality, no matter if it's hetero- or homosexual.  If we let adulterers
and fornicaters into the military, why should we ban homosexuals?

>The Army  *DOES* test for  HIV. There is no  choice in the  matter. Will
>the gays want this  eliminated, or will they be hoping  that if they are
>tested positive they get free health care, again asking all us taxpayers
>to  pay for  their  lifestyle?  Not being  hateful,  I'm  not, but  just
>wondering what the motivation is...

The town in the Philippines that I mentioned now has a monster problem
with HIV infection, moreso than anywhere else in the country (including
Manila).  It _hasn't_ been spread through homosexuals, either; it's been
spread by _heterosexual_ promiscuity, just as is the case in Africa and
the rest of Asia (and, in a few years, in this country, too).  

I'm not advocating homosexuality as a righteous lifestyle before God.  But
it seems to me that in Christian circles, we condone heterosexual
promiscuity above homosexual behavior, and the latest flack over the
military is another example of that.  

You and I, when we gossip, lust, overeat, and fail to love our friends and
family well, are _no_ better or worse in the eyes of God than someone who
is homosexual.



  
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Subject:      Re: "the Lamb Has Prevailed"

Thanks for the song about the Lamb.  I will read this to our congregation
at one of the Services tomorrow.  Keep those songs about the Lamdb and about
the Blood coming.

Pastor Bill
From: fqureshi@VTSSI.VT.EDU (Fayaz Qureshi)
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Subject: The True Word of God.
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:41:48 GMT
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              ___   | |       |  ___   | |  /|  |  | |              |
             |  |  _| |         |  |  _| | /_|  |  | |    |  |  |   |
      o_|__|____| |   | | o |_o____| |   |   |__|__| |  o_|__|__|___|
  ___/   oo    ___|     |___|     ___|              ___/          o

  In   the   name  of   ALLAH,   the    Beneficent,   the    Merciful

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          I seek Allah's Protection from Satan the Rejected One
         In the name of Allah the Most Benificient, Most Merciful


O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and
protectors; They are but friends and protectors to each other.  And he
amongst you that turns to them (for Friendship) is of them.  Verily Allah
guideth not a people unjust.
Those in whose hearts is a disease -- thou seest how eagerly they run about
amongst them, saying:  "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us
disaster."  Ah!  perhaps Allah will give (Thee) victory, or a decision
according to His Will.
Then will they repent of the thoughts they secretly harboured in their
hearts.  And those who believe will say:  "Are these the men who swore their
strongest oaths by Allah, that they were with you?"  All they do will be in
vain, and they will fall into (nothing but) ruin.



                                                         (51-53) Al-Maidah.


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From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Feast of Christ the King (22 Nov)

FOR SUNDAY 22 NOVEMBER 1992 (FEAST OF CHRIST THE KING)

REMARK: The traditional Church Year ends with this celebration,
looking forward to the eternal and glorious kingdom of Our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ. A really first-class sermon on Christ
as Lamb and Christ as Lion, in my judgement a sermon excellent
in every way (except perhaps that its length is better suited to
the presumably longer attention span of an earlier era) is
that of Jonathan Edwards on "The Excellencies of Christ".
     The reader can obtain a copy by sending the message
 GET LION LAMB     to  LISTSERV @ ASUACAD.BITNET
 or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU

READING: Jeremiah 23:1-6
 (God promises Israel a righteous King of the line of David under
whose reign all shall be well.)

PSALM 46
 (God is our refuge and strength.... "Be still and know that I am
God. I will be exalted among the nations. I will be exalted upon the
earth.")

EPISTLE: Colossians 1:11-20
 (The all-surpassing glory of Christ, the image of the invisible
God, the heir of all creation, the head of the church, the pioneer
of the resurrection, having the pre-eminence in all things, through
whom the Father has reconciled all things unto himself.)

THE HOLY GOSPEL: Luke 23:35-43
 (Our Lord, crucified as King of the Jews, promises to the penitent
thief a place with Him in Paradise.)

PRAYER
   Almighty and everlasting God, whose will it is to restore all
   things in thy well-beloved Son, the King of kings and Lord of
   lords: Mercifully grant that the peoples of the earth, divided
   and enslaved by sin, may be freed and brought together under
   his most gracious rule; who liveth and reigneth with thee and
   the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever.
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From: billc@housing.msstate.edu (Bill Chapman)
Subject: Re: "Doctrine of Total Depravity" : Carnes' list
Organization: Housing Department, Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:05:08 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA%92111909405453@ASUACAD.BITNET> Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:57:45 CST
>From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      "Doctrine of Total Depravity" : Carnes' list
>Dear All on Christia ;
>
>I said last week that I would give a group of Reference citations concerning
>the Doctrine of "Total Depravity / Total Inability."
>
>Undoubtedly, many people disagree with the above concept.  It states that
>"Man is completely Affected in ALL of his faculties of mind and body from
>sin imputed to his account from Adam.  He is not ALWAYS completely affected
>to the point that ALL men are equally bad, but that all men are totally
>touched by sin's influence within all parts of their being.  This is total
>depravity." The Total Inabilityidea is that "Man is NO LONGER ABLE to come
>to God and choosethe truly good, as pertains to Spiritual things.
>Adam was not initially affected so, but after his Fall, he and we have been
>reduced to a state where we have a sinful nature and our wills are captive
>to the confines of that nature.  Without the divine Intervention of God,
>NO man can willingly come to Christ, in and of his own power, because MAN's
>will is captive to the inherited sinful nature from Adam.  Romans chap. 5
>brings this out clearly, along with Romans 6 and 8.

Jesse:

You have used quotation marks, and given lists of bible verses, but I cannot 
find references to your sources.  The quotes above look like some material I 
have read by Lorraine Boettner.  Are you using sources, or is the material 
you are calling "Carnes' list" really original with you?  If you are using 
sources, please cite them for us.

Thanks.

--
Bill Chapman, Box 1262, Mississippi State, MS  39762
<BillC@Housing.MSState.edu>           (601) 325-2042
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Gaither...

Bill and Gloria write almost exclusively for the Cathedral Quartet.
I love their songs, and have been singing some of them since I was
a little kid.  One of the most AWESOME songs that Bill and his wife
have ever written is called "ALL THE GLORY BELONGS TO JESUS"
This awesome song appears courtesy of the Cathedral Quartet on
an album titled  "I've Just Started Living".
Check it out....Hey, MAKS.... this would be excellent to hear.
I know that some of you might not *like* "Southern Gospel"
or "Country Gospel" ...but, believe me.  Gaither writes this one
for FULL ORCHESTRA!
Not a stanza of "All the Glory" is 'HICKVILLE'!
ONCE AGAIN, check this out.
IT's worth the listen.
:)
"G"

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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From:         gloria thompson <GTHOMPSO@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gays in the military

Yvonne,
I agree with you totally!!!  Anytime we as Christians try and justify what
the Bible says is wrong is headed for a downfall.  We must awaken to the
fact that God's word does not change--whether we like it or not.  In addition,
we need to stop trying to come up with other scriptures to verify why we
shouldn't pass judgment on something that is as you said "specifically"
outlined as immoral.  We are judging the fruit.  Not only as far as homosexual
is concerned, but for abortion, fornication or whatever.  I have noticed some
people who profess to be born-again believers but support the right for women
to have a choice of whether to keep or kill the baby.  My question to them
is the same as Paul's questions to the church at Rome. "Shall we continue in
sin that grace may abound?" and his answer is "God forbid."
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From:         MICHELE LOFTON <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gays in the military

In reply to note of 11/20 09:04

Janie,
How do you know how a gay person feels?  I have heard many gays express
that what they are feeling is natural.  In fact, I have not heard of ONE
gay person say that he or she has CHOSEN to be homosexual.

Michele Lofton <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
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Subject: Apocrapha
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:53:01 GMT
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Forgive me if this topic has come up before, as I suspect it has.
I've only been reading the group since the summer.

I recently read an article that outlined the apocrapha and gave a brief
summary of each book.  It said that most of them were written in Greek,
not Hebrew, and none were accepted by Jews as canonical, so they were
never included in the Old Testament.  The Christian church
did not initially accept them; they entered the canon around 400 A.D.

Anyone know the politics of all this?  Why were they rejected, then
accepted, and then (by Protestants) rejected again?


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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From:         Terry Howard <TH6335@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanksgiving

I would like to add my note of thanks to Madge and Steven for their work on
the list, and let you know what a blessing it has been to participate for the
last several months.  I have shared several of the postings with the prayer
group whic [D [D [D [Dto whick I belong.  They were blessed by Lon's explanation
Jewish Holidays.  I enjoy all of the many aspects of the list..... the
"discussions" ..... the prayer requests.... and the praise reports.  Madge and
Steven keep up the good work [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D
                                 Terry Howard    TH6335@BROCK1P
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Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 14:04:57 EST
From: World Leader <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Anyone out there from Rochester, NY?

Hi, this is me, Andie.
Thanks for your prayers, the Lord has given me a future and a
new lease on life!  Praise Him!

I'm going to be moving to a suburb of Rochester, NY next month, and
I would like to chat with other Christians who live around the
general area.

Thanks!  My e-mail address is Ik20050@maine.maine.edu

In Christ, Andie.
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From:         "Glenn Radinsky S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu"
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Subject:      Ozzy Osbourne

Dear all:

     There have been a lot of questions floating around
lately about one Mr. Ozzy Osbourne.  I don't know too much
about the guy, and most of my knowledge is pretty dated
(about 8-10 years), but here goes...

     Ozzy used to be part of a rock group called Black
Sabbath.  As the name might suggest, this group was heavily
into satanic songs, occultic images, and other things like
that.  A friend of mine said that the local Christians used
to try to barricade the concerts that were given by this
group to try to keep the fans from seeing this stuff or to
try and convert the fans.

     During one of these infamous concerts, Ozzy claims that
someone gave him what he thought was an artificial bat.  He
got overzealous in one of the songs and bit its head off for
all to see.  Later he was either told or realized that the
bat was not artificial but real.  As far as I know, this
only happened once.

     Black Sabbath has since ceased to exist and apparently
Ozzy is not doing his own thing, and I have no clear what
this is.

     Well, that's what I know.  I am not entirely sure of
the accuracy, but the sources are at least fairly reliable

                         God Bless,



                            Glenn
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