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From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:14 CST
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In article <1993Jan12.013109.5013@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes...
>In article <1993Jan9.005000.12393@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
> 
>>Cheap Bastard!!? Why the $(@& should I pay for some other country to
>>kill people?
> 
>Are you suggesting the instead of Uncle Sam sending money to Israel in
>the form of military aid, that the US should station marines there
>instead? 
[...]

  We all wish.

>-- 
>Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
>American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
>My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.


alex
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:55:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan13.005531.6966
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <11JAN199323143628@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.013109.5013@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes...
>>Are you suggesting the instead of Uncle Sam sending money to Israel in
>>the form of military aid, that the US should station marines there
>>instead? 

>  We all wish.

What would you say when US marines start raiding building to seize
weapons?  When one is shot and killed?  When one is stabbed and
killed?

What would be their mission?  Why should Americans risk their life for
such a mission?

Adam


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is  H a m a s  ??
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:15:30 GMT
Expires: 1 Mar 93 00:00:00 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp., Hopkinton Mass.

In article <1993Jan10.211905.6548@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>In article <1ikh41INNh44@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>It is a contradiction, Christians do not worship Jesus, they believe he is
>the son of God. Hence, God is not divided just because of the belief in the
>trinity.

This comment will only prove confusing to Muslims.  All modern
Christians accept that Jesus is the uncreated word of God.  Thus Jesus
in Christianity corresponds theologically to the Quran which all
modern Muslim sects except perhaps for vestigial kharijite groups in
Oman and N.Africa consider the uncreated word of God.  In fact both
the Christian and the Muslim ideas are equally stupid.  Unfortunately,
for Muslims the Qur'an exists in plain Arabic so that the silliness of
this particular bogus uncreated word of a bogus god is in plain view
for every one to read who so wishes.  Christians are fortunate
relative to the stupidity of their religion in that Jesus long ago
passed from the mortal plane.

The trinity is merely an ornate way to describe aspects of the bogus
Christian god.  Muslim and Jewish theologians discuss similar aspects
of their bogus gods but have not elevated these discussions to
fundamental creed status.

>A.Faris

Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "Palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:11:32 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <1993Jan7.005450.20297@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:

> Uh oh, another idiot on the net. Do you think Arab women are not intellectual?
Listen, I was just being sarcastic.  I think it is great that Arab women say
what they please to say. It is not usually the case when they are in their
home countries!

>Could the Israelis' be one of the factors behind the violence in Lebanon?.
>It seems that you could pull your eyes away from the Israeli propaganda book.

That's what I like about my fellow cousins! They never take responsibility
for anything. Tell me, did Israel start the civil war in Lebanon in 1975?
There is no point discussing, since the Jews are always wrong, right ?

>So Shamir the terrorist is your idol. 
I'm no fan of Shamir. It is not because I quoted him that I am his my fan.
Get a life.

>Shall we beleive the Jewish Bible perhaps how a loving and kind God
>told the Jewish tribes to commit genocide against the Canaanites and take
>their land?. Shall we beleive how you were in Egypt and how the sea was parted
>yet there is no evidence the Jewish tribes were ever there?. What other things
>do you recommend we should beleive?.

I can't make you believe anything, and I wont even try.

>
>Yub you have it and you will keep it as long as you do not make peace. The
>question is for how long can you keep it while blaming the Palestinians
>and being armed to the teeth?.

As long as you and your brothers realize that Israel is here to stay!

Tsiel
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:21:21 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan8.183031.21313@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>>p.s. It is still a big waste of money. I would rather that my country
>>did its part and stopped fueling these military machines.
>
>It's not a big waste of money:  $1.25 per year you personally spend.
>What a cheap bastard.
>
>carasso.

It isn't a question of being "cheap". I don't want to contribute any
money at all to the Israeli war machine, because I don't want to
assist in the oppression of the Palestinians. How much my share comes
to is beside the point.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Subject: Re: Hieroglyphics
Summary: What *did* the pharoahs sound like?
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 08:02:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.013914.2366@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>an egyptian does not even know his own history! hieroglyphics are by and large

If you had that much history, you'd have trouble remembering it all too ;-)

>letters. there are some symbols here and there, but the vast majority are
>letters, in fact the names sound like arabic/hebrew (aleph, beth, etc.).
>

I was always under the impression that most of the characters represented
words, rather than letters.  More like Chinese rather than Arabic.  I'll
look it up and post later.

How can *anyone* know what the *names* of the characters sound like?  I
can see that you can guess how some of the characters are pronounced by
identifying some proper names on the Rosetta stone (even then, you 
wouldn't be sure that the name was pronounced the same way in hieroglyphics
as it would be in Greek; Egypt/Mesr for example), but that would give you
a guess as to how only those characters that appear in names on the stone
are pronounced.  And you cannot extrapolate sounds the same way you can
extrapolate meaning.

This leads me to believe that hieroglyphic 'sounds' are fabricated, rather
than being the original sounds used by pharoahs.
 
Tamer Abdelgawad
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: An Arabic language question
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:24:44 GMT
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <1993Jan08.063654.2032@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> rteasdal@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Rusty) writes:
>
>	The word, as best I remember, was "taqiyeh"?
>
>	Can someone expand on this topic and provide me with some
>details? I certainly would not want to use the word in an incorrect
>manner out of ignorance.

I hope you did not read about SHia/Sunnah issues, because if you did,
you would be fishing, at any rate I will avoid the issue altogether:

Taqiyah is the act of hiding your belief when you fear persecution.
The Muslims during inquisition were allowed to claim they converted
to christianity but migration was prefered.  Some Muslim sects used
this concept to preserve their belief system when they feared persecution
by Tyrannical rulers throughout the history of the Muslim world.
 
When there is no fear of persecution, there is no room for Taqiyah
and it becomes hypocricy.

The litteral meaning is "avoiding harm"
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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:29:56 GMT
	<1ide8iINNchv@shelley.u.washington.edu>
	<1993Jan6.222732.11871@bony1.bony.com>
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1993Jan6.222732.11871@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>   "Occupied their territory"?  Unlike Egypt and Lebanon, say, there has
>   never in history been a Palestinean empire, kingdom, country or state.

The same can be said of Massachusetts.  It is not a terribly
enlightening statement.

>   If the West Bank has been "occupied" by Israel, wouldn't it be exactly
>   equally true to say that the East Bank has been "occupied" by Jordan?

Tell you what, if you argue that Israel should give up the West Bank,
I'll argue that Jordan should give up the East Bank.  If you don't
agree to this, then you are just blowing hot air.

=Jim
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is H a m a s ??
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:35:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
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carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:

>"Kidnapping your enemy and killing him is an abomination.  You should
>kidnap him, explain to him how he is causing you pain, let him see
>your family, let him go, knowing that you may have educated one more
>person."
>		--Qu'uaran

>carasso

It looks this jew is following the path of his ancestors of modifying
the torah as they wish.  Sorry, quran is not the same as torah.

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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Al-Baqarah #143
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:41:41 GMT

In article <1ifikpINNe8i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> Al Baqarah #143
|> 
|> Found this interesting fact about this verse in Sorat Al-Baqarah:
|> 
|> 143. And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you
|> may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the
|> Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
|> that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might
|> distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back
|> upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom
|> Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your
|> faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate,
|> Merciful to the people.
|>      
|> Note that the total number of verses in this Sorat is 286.
|> Half of it is 143, which is the number of this verse.  This
|> verse also says "And thus we have made you a  m e d i u m  
|> nation."  
|> 
|> "Can't they study the Quran?  And if it were not the words of 
|> God, they would have found so many differences and disputes."
|> -- 

Some one has posted a similar analysis on the Jewish and Christian books
and found that all verses are a multiple of seven. If this is used as proof
that it is the word of God, then Islam cannot continiously claim that the
Jewish and Christian books have been modified.

Hence, We can conclude that Muhammad is not the awaited Messiah, as it has been
claimed by Dr. Siddiqui a number of times on SRI.

A.Faris
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Enough stupidity (Re: What is  H a m a s  ??)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:33:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
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oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:

>Hamza writes:
>>If you don't like what I say, recommend to all sca netters what
>>you recommended to carasso.  Tell them to either leave me
>>alone by not replying on my messages, or use kill file process.

>  For one reason, carasso is the kind of people i'll never live with in the
>same country. On the other side, you are an Arab, and there MUST be a
>possible dialog between us.

I agree.  But how do you compare what you're saying to this:

"  Sure, why don't you apply that on yourself, BTW ?. Better, why don't you
definitly SHUT UP instead of trying to convience everyone that your religion
teachs you to hate people just because they are different. With freinds like
you who needs ennemies ?. Can't you understand that what you expream in your
articles is deeply offending and even RACIST ?. And that each time you try
to defend the cause of those 415 deported Palestinians you are discrediting
their cause with your blind attacks on people."


ibaa, 

do you think that the deportees when they welcomed the slain of shin
bet member was wrong?  are they dicrediting their cause saying this?  
since when do world public opinion matter?  these deportees are left
in cold, and if there were animals you will see all people in the
world cry for helping them as we saw in the Gulf war as was the result
of some oil spills caused by iraq.  they called it "the biggest environment
disaster in the history of the world."  it turned they were telling lies.
Do they call this "the biggest inhuman disaster?"  They rather say let 
them die, they are junk and garbage.

One more example is the plo.  is the plo as popular inside and outside
palestine since it changed its course?  sadly speaking no.

The bottom line is that the right has to be said even if you, i, and others
can't swallow it.  public opinion doesn't matter much, and if it matters
it will not be to our advantage, i.e. arab advantage.  this is what i learned
all my life.  what matters is one thing, that is there is a God who
is watching.  Afterall, that is why there must be God, so all people will
be judged by their doings.
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:35:22 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <EGGERTJ.93Jan5110057@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:

>There is no indication that the deportation has protected or will
>protect Israeli lives.  Indeed, there is every indication that the
>Israeli authorities expected the deportation to cost Israeli lives.
>I quote a recent news release:
>
>|        But Rabin has been unapologetic about the mass expulsion and military
>| commanders said they have been expecting reprisals.
>|        ``No one who decided on the deportations imagined that terrorist
>| activity would stop on that day,'' said Maj. Gen. Danny Rothschild,
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>| coordinator of Israel's military government in the occupied West Bank
>| and Gaza Strip.
>|    ``We were expecting the terrorist organizations would try to
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|      prove  they still exist,'' he said at a Tel Aviv news conference.

>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

A partial quote.

 Maj. Gen. Danny said in that conference that he expect the terrorist
organization to try prove they still exist namely that they can
continue murdering, but he is sure that for the long run taking away
the terrorist leadership will have a very positive outcome.
It turns out that Gen. Danny was not correct. Yesterday evening the
commander of the Gaza strip said on a T.V. interview that putting away
the Hammass leadership proved itself to be a very moderating action
from that same day on. And that the Hamas ability to function is
deienitely much lower now than before.
Simply saying : several human being expected to be dead if Hanass
                leaders where not taken away are alive.

Lets hope that Israel will stop the functioning ability of the PLO
leadership  as well.

We shell overcome    Gideon Ehrlich  ERETZ   YISRAEL
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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Al-Baqarah #143
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:18:46 GMT

In article <1ikgspINNh06@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> 
|> Who said, "i am posting this to prove that it is the word of God....?"
|> i just found it interesting to tell arab muslims it is "interesting."

You were surmising since it has 286 versus and its number is 143 which exactly
one half that this must be of devine consequence rather than an accident.

|> 
|> conclude what ???  what a logic from a highly educated social behavior
|> knowlegeble intellectual?

I hope one day you will cut the crap and stop being defensive and
calling your faith the true faith and every one else is wrong. Also hopefully
by then you will argue with facts not propaganda.

As for your description of myself, you are wrong as usual. Will you ever get
anything right?.
 
|> 
|> you're jumping from one subject to another...

And those subjects are?.

A.Faris
From: bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bashar Khairi Abouseido)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Are Lebanese considered ARABS?????
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:32:34 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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=>From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
=>Date: 8 Jan 93 16:07:37 -0400
=>
=>I was wondering....do most Arabs consider the Lebanese as Arabs?
=>
=>Is it a given that Arabs must be Muslim? (the majority are).
=>If Lebanese are arabs, why do most Christian Lebanese consider 
=>themselves as not being ARAB?
=>
=>I am a Lebanese, who has fought on both sides of the matter.  I use
=>to think that Lebanese were Arabs.  Not anymore.  Perhaps politically
=>only....  What have the Arabs done for us, except force Palestians
=>unto our land, with their guns and all.  Why do most Lebanese
=>fear these "Phadaeey"?  Palestians are arabs aren't they?  Who gives
=>them the bloody rite to come onto our lands, take what they want,
=>kill you they desire, just because Israel has replaced what
=>was known as Palestine.  The Lebanese government can only help
=>to a degree.  Why do the arabs in their Arabic League decide
=>on the fate of Lebanon with others like Syria. 
=>
=>All these questions keep floating in my head.  Would someone
=>please help answer these questions.  I have nothing against
=>the Palestians or their cause, or any other Arab party.
=>A while ago, when I heard the rumor that Lebanon was to be no more,
=>and Palestine was to be in it's place, I was going to...3@#$@$#@$
=>
=>You give em an inch they want it all.....
=>
=>
=>
=>Anyway....would someone please enlighten the situation for me and others..
=>
=>
=>
=>John LAWEN                 
=>
=>No offence to anyone.....
=>
=>

Fake Lebanese person !! You sound like a non-Lebanese and non-Arab
person ... I won't bother responding to your "full of contradictions"
post. GET LOST !!
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From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "Palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:06 CST
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In article <4632@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes...
>In article <244@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel
>Ohayon) writes:

>>Israeli Arabs do not serve in the Army, unless they make a formal
>> request.

>Tsiel is right. Arabs do have the privilage to serve in the Israeli
>army , as well as in the Israeli police , Israeli education system and
>Israeli health system according to their free willo only.

>>Druzes and Bedouins do on the other hand.
>>  Druzes are not Arabs! They are a sect of their own.

>Right!


From the Oxford English Dictionary, concise edition, 1982, reprinted 1985:

Druse: Member of a political and religious sect of Muslim origin living near 
	and around Mt. Lebanon.

Sect: [..] Religious denomination. Followers of a particular philosopher or
	philosophy or school of thought in politics etc..

Arab: (one) of the Semitic people originally inhabiting Saudi Arabia and 
	neighbouring countries, now the Middle East generally.

  It seems that Arabs are not *a sect*, as they are not defined -at least 
by the OED- as a religious, philosophic or political group.

  Just my two cents worth


>>Tsiel

alex khalil
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