HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why was 1984 such a good year
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:30:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Nov16.193033.9224
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <97472@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>In regards to why so many NFL records were broken in 1984, I have two
>words for you: 
>
>			Dan Marino! 
>
>

Dan can only account for a few of the records I have listed.  

Dickerson set the rushing mark.
Lomax busted the top ten of passers.
Monk set the recieving mark.

It wasn't just Danny having a banner year.  They were doing it
all over the league.  So the question again is WHY?  Did
they change some rule that year?  Was some new defensive
strategy that worked like a seive installed that year?
WHY?

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: STEELERS VS. LIONS - WHAT HAPPENED???
From: rollins+@cs.cmu.edu (Gene Rollins)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:11:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


Just saying that both teams were lousy doesn't give much insight.

Steeler Head Coach Bill Cower, formerly def. coor. of KC has brought the
aggressive big-play defense and special teams style of the Chiefs to the
Steelers.  There is nothing more exciting than a loose football.  In the
Lions game, after the blocked punt and two forced fumbles, it was incredible
to see a horde of Steelers, wild-eyed, chasing the loose ball.  It looked just
like the Chiefs.  

The concern I have is that they don't make the other team punt enough.
In the Bills game, they didn't get the turnovers and didn't stop third-down
conversions, and they lost.  The first game of the season, I don't
think the Oilers ever punted, but the Steelers won on the strength of
5 take-aways.

Local TV says that Neil O'Donnell is out for Sunday, and Bubby Brister
will start with Rick Strom on call.  Colt's QB Jeff George is also out.
......gene
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:01:12 GMT

In article <1e6on2INNc3j@sal-sun99.usc.edu> tehyang@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>RAMS 27 DALLAS 23 !! 
>
>Is this the upset of the year? Nah... the Cowboys were overrated and I was
>picking the Rams to sneak up on them in this game. 
>
>The Rams have not played this good since 89'! Everett was perfect,
>Cleveland Gary rushed for 100 yards, and the defense stopped Dallas on their
>final desparate drive. 
>
>Thank you, Rams!! I'm going to respect you much more in the future. You've
>just made a dejected Eagles fan's day!!


The Eagles lost to the Packers of all teams so what are you all excited
about?

Eric

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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagon
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:08:46 GMT

In article 29080@athena.mit.edu, Planet X writes:
> Hi, I have been a Cowboys fan for 1034 years.  I lived
> on the planet Neptune where they devour Cowboy fans
> for dinner, so you know how much of a fan I have been
> to live through such hostility and wear my Cowboy cap
> and Cowboy jacket and wave my Cowboy flag and bounce on my
> knee my inflatable Cowboy Cheerleader doll.  I had to go
> through a lot hiding in caves and sleeping in mailboxes to
> evade detection, but now that they're finally winning again,
> I feel that it is safe to come out and voice my objective
> and intelligent opinions...
> 
> 
> COWBOYS RUUUUULLLLLLEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
> EVERYBODY ELSE SUCKS!!!!!
> TEAM OF THE NEXT CENTURY, MAN!!!!!!
> WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Deep down inside of your Cowboy hearts, and
> Cowboy minds, you're ALL thinking that.
> 
>    O O
>   \___/

Wrong interplanetary breath...

I LOVE THE RAMS (no matter how painful it can be at times)...
I WILL ALWAYS LOVE THE RAMS AND ALWAYS HATE THE COWBOYS!!!!

===========================================================
Jonathan Saari                 | The views expressed here
saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com      | are my own...
Test Engineer                  | They are not my employers.
Motorola, Incorporated         | Although they should be...
Chandler, AZ                   | GO RAMS!!
===========================================================
When in doubt, use brute force.
		-- Ken Thompson
From: jan10@cd.amdahl.com (Jim Nimmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers starting QB
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:53:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Does anyone know if Farve will start Sunday against the Bears?

Thanks - Jim

Packer victory on Sunday = Final nail in the coffin for the Ditka era.
GO PACK!

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: FINALS - 12th week
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:50:16 GMT

12th Week - Updates

Houston  16				Miami  19  * FINAL - Stoyvanonich 52 yd FG!
Atlanta  14				Buffalo  41  * FINAL
Detroit	19 			Cincinnati  13  * FINAL
Green Bay  17			Chicago  3  * FINAL
Philadelphia  47		NY Giants  34  * FINAL
Cleveland  13		   Minnesota  17  * FINAL
Indianapolis  14		Pittsburgh  30  * FINAL
Dallas  16				Phoenix  7  * FINAL
San Francisco	27	   Rams  10  * FINAL
Tampa Bay  14			San Diego  29  * FINAL
Denver  0				LA Raiders  24  * FINAL
NY Jets  3				New England  24  * FINAL


Question: were there any upsets this week?
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagon
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:58:42 GMT

In article <1dr5haINNjrf@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:
>In article <JOHNDOE92Nov10.163004@samadams.inmet> johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped) writes:

>>                                               i maintained during landry's
>>last season at 3-13 that the cowboys were only 7 plays from 10-6 and a
>>division crown ... not 7 80 yard td strikes or 100 yd kickoff returns, but 7
>>plays that they executed and executed poorly.

>I'm glad to hear somebody else say this.  I've always thought the
>same thing about that 1988 team.  They'll go down in history as
>a 3-13 last place team, but they were also a team with an incredible
>amount of bad luck.  They started the year at 2-2 and both of the losses
>could have been wins with two of the seven plays you mention.

No, they never stood a chance, and for one simple reason.  Over the past
decade, the team had too intricately tied its fate in with Tony Dorsett.
Never, it seemed, could a week go by, win or lose, without Pat Summerall
saying that whenever Dorsett rushed for 100 yards, Dallas won, and when
he didn't, they lost.

The Cowboys made their fatal mistake in letting Dorsett go before that
season -- TO DENVER.  Had he wound up with the Giants or Chicago or some
other run-oriented team, they would have had a chance.  But no, he went
to the pass-happy home of John Elway and his Three Amigos.  

Even Dorsett's presence couldn't balance Denver's offense.  The novelty
was there for a few weeks.  In two of the first four weeks, Tony ran for
100+ yards.  And Dallas won.  In the other two, he didn't, and they
lost.

But in subsequent weeks, something happened.  Other Bronco carriers
would get the ball.  Denver would be forced into must-pass situations.
The aging Dorsett would get himself hurt.  Regardless, for the next ten
weeks, he did not crack the 100 yard barrier.  And the Cowboys, by any
means possible, had no choice but to lose.  Go to the library and look
up Dallas and Denver statistics for that year.  It was uncanny.

Finally, the spell was broken.  Over the last two weeks of the season,
the fates of Dorsett and Dallas were irrevocably split.  He managed a
100-yard game when they lost and didn't achieve one when they won.  The
curse was finally broken.

Or was it?  Nowadays, we hear murmurs of the Cowboys' winning being tied
to the amount of times Emmitt Smith is handed the ball.  Don't they ever
learn?  The franchise might be in for even deeper trouble than their
recent decline if something happens like Smith being declared a free agent
by the courts and signing with a Miami.  Stranger things have happened, as
recently as 1988.


BTW:  WoofWatch - How many people proclaimed the NFC East the greatest
division in the history of football last week?  :-)

==Ken
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: 49ers beat Buffalo in SuperBowl
Originator: delarocq@c00523-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:52:51 GMT




 You had better tell Joe to keep his elbow out of the stadium. The Bills
will have him on his back, or a pass picked off!! Joe hasn't played against
the Bills of the late 80's and the 90's but once or twice. Which means,
Henry Jones, interception!!! :) :) :)

The 49ers would be better off to leave Young in there.. sheesh!!! :) :)
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:41:53 GMT

From article <1992Nov15.173511.15447@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, by sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma):
>>Consider, for a moment the strings "NNNNNNNN" and "NANANNAA".
>>Choosing from a random collection of strings of length 8 over
>>the alphabet {N,A}, what is the probability of choosing each
>>of the above strings?  Exactly the same.  Yes, it is a mere 
>>coincidence.
>>
>>Curtis Dyreson
> 
> Sorry Curtis.  Go back and read your probablility book.  You
> have assumed that N, A are chosen with identical probability.
> Given the a posteriori distribution on "NNNNNNNN" one would
> sensibly alter the estimate of P, the probability of the
> NFC winning.  Your logic is primitive.

To show the absurdity of this whole argument, I hereby 
advance the "Human Mascot Theory."  Teams with Human-like Mascots
(49ers/Redskins/Giants) have beaten teams with non Human-like
Mascots (Bengals/Broncos/Bills) in seven of the last eight Super Bowls.
You would urge me to conclude that there is a 7/8 of a chance (or something
better than uniform) that a team with a Human-based Mascot will prevail 
this year.  Even though there is absolutely nothing to suggest that 
having a human based mascot is any factor at all in winning!  It is 
merely coincidence!  

I have an even better theory based on the numerology of the coach's
names, but I shall save it for later.  

The contention that "N" is more likely simply in lieu of the
fact that it is an "N" is exactly what I am contending here.
There is no reason to make anything other than a uniform probability
assumption on such a limited sample and without any other causal
agent that makes it an a priori fact that "N" is more likely.  
Show me a causal correlation between merely being an "N" and winning the
SuperBowl and then we can talk about making non-uniform 
distribution assumptions.  Noone would "sensibly alter" their 
estimations without such a causal agent (either a posteriori or a priori).

To avert a whole run of random/non-football postings about 
how to use probabilities, I promise not to respond to any more 
unreasonable postings on the subject and hereafter will allow the reader 
to puzzle through the probabilities on their own.

Curtis Dyreson
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Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predict/track NFL scores
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:02:02 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

If any of you are interested in a football-pool-type program that runs on a
PC under MS Windows, I suggest trying a program at wuarchive.wustl.edu
called NFL_1992 Scoreboard.  It's in the directory /mirrors/win3/misc
under the filename nfl92.zip.  It was written by a man named Thomas Kerr,
and he's marketing it as shareware.

For practice, I entered the first 11 weeks of NFL scores (also at wuarchive,
thanks Gidi).  I then produced a couple of reports, which I'll post in
subsequent messages.  The program apparently uses 1991 results (playoffs
included) and 1992 game data to predict scores and assign "power" ratings.
You be the judge.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: Tie Breaker: NFC playoffs
Originator: jawiles@c00477-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:12:07 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.214540.29531@seq.uncwil.edu>, rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
|> Path: taco!rock!concert!seq!rsmith
|> From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
|> Subject: Re: Tie Breaker: NFC playoffs
|> Message-ID: <1992Nov18.214540.29531@seq.uncwil.edu>
|> Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
|> References: <1ee8ksINNrao@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
|> Distribution: na
|> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:45:40 EST
|> Lines: 18
|> 
|> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
|> >I tried to follow a thread in here about tiebreakers and the playoffs
|> >but it got too complicated. Just who leads the NFC, Dallas or the
|> >49'ers?
|> >                        Won   Lost   Tie   Pct.   PF    PA
|> > Dallas (NFC E)         8      2      0    .800   247   152	
|> > SF     (NFC W)         8      2      0    .800   292   172
|> 
|> You left out the important issue in this case: SF has the better NFC
|> winning pct (one NFC loss, while both of Dallases losses are NFC losses).
|> 
|> Therefore, SF has the tie-breaker over big D at this point in the season...
 
Woa!! TIME OUT!!  SF lost to an AFC team... Dallas should win the tiebreaker
by virtue of the fact they haven't lost to the weakest conference in the NFL :)

My flame suit is ON :) :) :) :) :)

### jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu # WASHINGTON REDSKINS - RYP-PEAT SUPERBOWL CHAMPS! #
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Intentional Grounding?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:17:15 GMT

In <19091.2b0c207c@ecs.umass.edu> bell@ecs.umass.edu writes:

>     With all this talk about intentional grounding I was wondering if anyone
>had access to the NFL rule book to give us the rule word for word.  I know alot

Last year's rule book:
Rule 8-3-1: It is Intentional Grounding when the defensive rushers
have precluded a passer's ability to throw the ball downfield and
his only option to prevent a loss of yardage is to discard the ball
without a realistic chance for completion.  This penalty shall be the
sole responsibility of the Referee and his judgment must be predicated
only on the action of the passer.  It is not intentional grounding
when the defensive rushers have not put sufficient pressure on the
passer to prevent him, for strategic purposes, from throwing the
ball downfield in a natural and effective motion even though there
is no apparent chance of completion.

Note: A passer is prohibited from throwing the ball to the ground
in front of him after he delays his passing action, even though
he is throwing the ball away for strategic purposes.

(a) Care shoudl be exercised by the referee to insure ample
protection of the passer after the ball has left his hand by
any means. (Watching or determining the flight of the pass
by the referee is a secondary responsibility under these
conditions.)

(b) A passer is permitted to legally stop the clock to save
time if immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins
a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball forward in
the direction of the sideline.

*END QUOTE*

So I was wrong with my earlier posting about the way I.G.
is called, the referee must flag it immediately if he
thinks the situation warrants it.
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Have the Bears quit?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:01:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I couldn't watch yesterday's Bears-Packers game, since it wasn't
televised in my area, but I couldn't believe the score. They could
only manage 3 points against the Packers? Absolutely pathetic. Is
this another case like 1989 when the team just vanishes once they
are out of the playoff race (well, actually, they vanished a little
before then...) I am extremely disappointed in their lackluster season.
Maybe they don't have the talent to compete with the top teams in the
league, but they should be at least able to finish above .500. I
wonder if Ditka wants to bother putting up with this sort of crap
much longer. It seems to me that the team has quit for the season a
bit early this year.

At least there are still the Bulls...


Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Rules question (trivia?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:08:50 GMT


	You Make the Call:

	It's first and ten at the 25. The Steelers are 25 yards from the
	winning touchdown. Brister hits Foster for a 3 yard screen pass.
	Foster scrambles down the sideline, and dives for the corner of the
        end zone with the ball held close to his chest. After passing the
	goal line, he extends the ball into the end zone from out of bounds
	and lands with the ball in the end zone, and his body out of bounds.
	The ball never passed over the goal line, but did end up in the end 
	zone. Touchdown?


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"I didn't lose, the Team lost" - Coach
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:45:51 EST
From: Thomas A. Gryn <TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
 <1992Nov16.144217.3064@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <56954@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>

In article <56954@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ
Smith) says:
>In article <1992Nov16.144217.3064@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>                         u
>mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu(Miguel . Figueroa) writes:
>> ...The Cowboys on the other hand have to go play at "THE TRAP" against a
very underrated Cardinal team.
>Oh please, what do you take us for, how can a team who can't beat the Falcons
>(does 56-17 and 41-3 ring a bell?) possibly threaten the mighty Cowboys?
>How can a team that loses 2 fumbles, 2 interceptions and has 2 field goals
>blocked by Atlanta and puts only 17 points on the board(only 10 by the
>offense) against the worst defense in the NFL possibly challenge the Cowboys
>with the top rated Defense and the great Emmitt Smith.

(I can't resist)

Yes, and I'm sure 49er fans were saying the same thing a couple of weeks
ago. I'm glad the Eagles (who I root for) are finished playing Phoenix.
The Cardinals are very, very inconsistent. On any given week they can rise
up and beat anybody, though most of the time they beat themselves. With their
WR corps of Phrohl (sp), Randall Hill, and Ernie Jones, and QBs like Rosenbach
and Chandler, they can play catch-up with any team in the league, and they've
got a number of solid if unspectacular runners. Their defensive secondary is
weak, but their LBs are practically all #1 picks, and they often play well
(defying the Cards history of off-the-wall draft picks). This isn't a sure
win, especially considering it's an away game & Dallas is coming off a loss.

Tom Gryn...........................................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu
"...see life through a dog's eyes. You're doing alright if you've
 got food, a place to sleep and someone to pet you."
                               - Izzy Stradlin'.