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From: 20676JAE@MSU
Subject: Re: DEATH OF A SCHOOL HORSE
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 10 Apr 1992 11:48:19 EDT

I know how you feel.  When I was taking lessons at a stable we lost one of our
best horses to tetanus.  What a tragedy. Gabriel was only 10yrs old. A handsome
chestnut with a blaze, four socks and a flaxen mane and tail.  He was one of
the youngest horses on the farm and had a personality that wouldn't quit.  His
stall was the first one when you came in the barn, and he always had a nicker
for everyone.  The barn seemed very empty and lonely without him, even when it
was full of all the other horses.  He was probably only about 14hands tall, but
beleived himself to be much bigger.  I sympathize with you very much.  I don't
know what I will do if I ever loose my mare, I'm so attached to her.
                                       Jenn
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Reoccuring Strangles
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:26:25 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>>        Are you -sure- your mare has strangles? From what I recall,
>>strangles is a viral disease that has a developed immunity, i.e., once
>>contracted, it cannot reoccur because the body can now produce antibodies to
>>counteract the pathogen.

No I'm not sure she HAS strangles, but I know she DID have it last May.  I
know it IS a strep. bacteria.  Horses CAN get it after they have already had it
once, but it's not common and they don't get it as severe as the first time.  I
don't think that's what she has because she has no fever or swollen lumph nodes
and her appetite is normal.  The only symptoms she has is congestion, a cough
and a runny nose.  The equivelent to the human cold.  I just thought I would
ask if anyone has had reoccurent strangles so we could compare notes.

>Actually, it's a bacteria - the equine version of strep.  Recovery was
>previously thought to provide permanent immunity, but current belief
>is that this immunity does not last.  An annual booster (without the
>initial series of shots) will provide lasting immunity for these
>horses.

>>Is this a diagnosis from the vet? If not, I would
>>*definitely* have the vet out: lot's of diseases can begin with these
>>symptoms...

If I had a diagnosis from the vet I would not have asked your opinions on the
matter.  Currently we (the stable manager and I) are watching the mare closely
for any changes, and taking her temperature daily.  She is normal except for
her congestion (which has reduced in the past 2 days) and the fact that she is
pregnant.  I will call the vet if she has ANY changes for the worse.  Thanks
for your advice.

>We're in complete agreement here.  There are LOTS of airborn viruses
>being blown around at this time of year.  She should definitely have a
>vet look at her mare ASAP.
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:50:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.JON.92Apr6105020
	<1992Apr5.003358.12464@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Organization: Foo

In article <1992Apr5.003358.12464@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:


	   speaking of which, has anyone ironed/drycleaned a hakama? "don't, or
   the pleats will go!" shrieked a black belt when i asked him. "never
   have...ever" is the other comment i have heard. 

i do iron my hakama occasionally, but i have found that proper folding
is the best way to preserve the garment.  come to think of it, proper
folding is also necessary in order to iron the hakama.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Classical Karate
    <kuc4o3INN8td@aludra.usc.edu> 
    <1992Apr10.220212.25047@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:05:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr10.220212.25047@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>Just to start a flame war...
>
>Bruce Lee was in marvelous shape, and had a very good self-defense
>system (when he wasn't posing for the cameras) and even had a good
>side kick, but his roundhouse kick was not that good and he really
>could not do any "advanced" kicks.  The chinese stylist they got
>to stand in for him on the Game of Death fight scenes that had 
>not been filmed is a much better kicker (although he does not
>have Bruce's charisma; but then, who does?).  
>
>Dakin
>burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
>

What, Bruce Lee had flaws?  

Seriously, this is interesting.  I recall from the series of books
by Bruce Lee that he advocated only a small number of kicks, 
front kicks, side kick and a sort of back hook kick.  Your post 
leads me to wonder if there was a reason other than combat
efficiency that these kicks were selected.

Charles Yeomans
yeomans@austin.onu.edu
cyeomans@ms.uky.edu

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: billc@atl.mcd.mot.com (Bill Cutts)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Classical Karate
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:23:59 GMT
Organization: Motorola Technical Systems Division (TSD), Atlanta, GA


In article <1992Apr11.163348.14635@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:

  <snip>

>	When I do these one-step sparring things, I'm very often
>putting myuself through weird contortions to get all the techniques on
>target. Why would I want to lean down and do an uppercut to someone's
>ribs, when their face is right at my shoulder level? 

So you can see how awkward that technique is under those circumstances
and not attempt it when you really need to? :-)

>	Another thing that really bothers me a lot about these
>one-step things is that you know the exact attack and the exact
>defense. That is so far from what would actually happen in a fight as
>to make me wonder what value these one-step things have, regardless of
>the other things I've already learned. 

What good is kata practice when there isn't even an opponent with
pre-arranged moves there? (Excluding two man kata of course.)
I view one-step sparing techniques as being a "step down" from kata
practice. Most of the combinations which we do in these controlled
sparring situations are taken from the kata and let the students (and
instructors :-) ) see how the moves from the kata might be applied to a
real situation. Having seen an application of a piece of the kata may
help to perform the kata in a more aware state, i.e. rather than the
kata being simply move here, do this,  the movements as a whole begin to
make logical sense. IMO katas form the framework upon which you hang
your individual interpretation of your art. One-step sparring is simply
a tool with which to better understand the kata. 

It sometimes works in reverse also. I have seen beginning students come
to a sequence of moves in a kata and say "Oh, I've seen this before,
this is a self-defense move which you showed us two months ago." And I
thought it was original, oh well. :-)

Bill.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Reply-To: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:59:41 GMT


In a previous article, cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) says:

>1)
>	In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street somewhere, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before and during training, how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be as high,


Hmm...I always try to do a minimum amount of stretching in the morning.  No
need for the splits.  Just enough to loosen you up a bit.  Also this comes
in handy for me just in case I miss the bus and have to walk to school or
work.  ;)

If you didn't stretch a little in the morning to be "combat ready," if
you're caught in this situation you described in your street clothes, there's
no way you can go for a high kick without ripping your pants.  Besides,
the quicker hand techniques would serve better, IMHO.

>2)
>	When sparring, what goes through your head?
>
First round :  "What's open?  What's open?"
Last round : "*pant* *gasp*  PLEASE let the time be up!!"  :)

-- Gil
From: kurto@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: ***** is not god (was Re: Bruce Lee on...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:35:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr14.035731.3198@cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
> 
> alright everyone, repeat after me:
> 
[ abulations(?) deleted ]
> 
> steven seagal on the other hand...
> 

steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.
steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.
steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.
steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.
steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.
steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.
steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.

(about a hundred more of the above go here.)

steven seagal is not dead.   he is not god.  (I hope :)


::   ::

--   --
 -----

Kurt Olsen
nobody really important (ie. I'm not god either.)

Have a nice day everyone.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Here we go again...
Keywords: Crunch, Break, Ow!
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:31:40 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Apr13.234542.21579@leland.Stanford.EDU> sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger) writes:
>Judo is not a martial art.  It is a sport.  

	Nahhhh, it's a desert topping...

	Listen, bub, judo is a martial art that can be practiced as a sport.
The rules are there so that judokas don't all end up in wheelchairs before
they reach the fourth kyu.

>adequate training for serious combat because you don't practice either 
>delivering or dealing with the really lethal stuff. 

	You mean like chokes and armbars?  What "really lethal stuff" ?
The Secret Dim Mak Delayed Death Foot Sweep? What?

>Aikido has many of the same [...] however, you are required to have a much 
>better knowledge of anatomy.  

	Huh?

> a less aggressive approach [ is always bad ]

	Isn't it much easier to respond to an attack than to succesfully 
initiate one?  By the way, the basic aikido strategy for multiple opponents
is to move in such a way as to cause them to be in each other's way while 
avoiding their attacks.  Not to stand there and take shots until you can
apply kote-gaeshi.

	The drawback to aikido as self defense is that it takes a 
relatively long time to master to the extent that you can use it against
a skilled and determined opponent.  The drawback to judo as self defense is
that strikes are seldom taught and almost never studied in depth. It
can also be weak against multiple attackers.

							the wharf rat
From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Reps
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <ku3g8dINN6al@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid) writes:
>
>The book is still available in paperback. See your
>local bookdealer. It's readily available.

It is also available in hardback. I finally picked up a hardback last year. My
paper was almost 20 years old and the worst for wear.

neil
-- 
Only 2825 shopping days left till the next millenium! 
Neil F. Richmond         INTERNET: celia!neil@usc.edu
Rhythm & Hues Inc.       UUCP: ...{ames,hplabs}!lll-tis!celia!neil)
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:09:50 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <12438@auspex-gw.auspex.com> bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
>	No - I was referring to Col. Jeff Cooper.  He's never been in any
>movies that I am aware of, though he may have done some training films.

Is this Jeff Cooper of Cooper's Corner fame? The NRA guy? If so, what
does he know about hand to hand combat? (I'm quite sure his firearm
skills are high!)

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: scottb@col.hp.com (Scott Brunton)
Subject: Universal Kempo Karate
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:25:56 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

	I would be interested to hear if anyone has had any experiences
with this form of karate.  There is a large presence here in Colorado Springs
and would appreciate any related info/reflections/history.

	This instructors that I know have been very presentable and my
impressions thus far are positive ... your inputs are appreciated!

Thanks, Scott
From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:14:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: bkhouse.nkraft.030m
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <1299@hydra.bucknell.edu> cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) writes:
>
>	 A couple of quick questions I'd like some opinions on:
>1)
>	In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street 
>somewhere, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before and during 
>training, how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be as 
>high, and the danger of a sprain or tear is much higher.  How do you cope?  
>Any special ideas out there?

Nothing special. High kicks are, in my experience, primarily a training
tool, not a combat tool. There are some that would disagree with this, but
when facing experienced fighters, high kicks are an exposure that none
of us need and have resulted in not a few quick and easy groin shots.

For both street encounters and full contact sparring, low- and mid- high
kicks are it for me. Quick to execute, lots of damage, hard to duck,
minimal exposure. 

>2)
>	When sparring, what goes through your head?

Anything and everything. Mostly, though, "relax, relax, relax, etc, etc."
Once in a while, I even catch myself at a bit of tactical thought. ;)

Norm.

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From: weigand@pecan.udel.edu (Steve Weigand)
Subject: Re: What's the point?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:00:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.223017.6948@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>	Bringing me to my point... What do you all get out of karate? I have
>three things that I think most people get out of karate no matter what style or
>school they come from. Those are: 1). Self defense abilities, 2). Self-esteem
>(at least a little), 3). More or less physical fitness.
>
>Sonya Chang
>fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu

There's one other thing you forgot... A feeling of inner-peace, strength, and
harmony. Mental fitness, if you will. Perhaps even beyond just "fitness".

Ciao!
  -Steve Weigand
   (weigand@freezer.cns.udel.edu)
From: cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu (Laura Cuzzillo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A new belt question
Keywords: belts, floor
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Chicago

In article <702916120@romeo.cs.duke.edu> jfh@duke.cs.duke.edu (Fran Heidlage) writes:
>
>	and an interesting question arose.  I was told, somwhere in
>	the distant past, that your belt must never touch the floor
>	unless you were wearing it (e.g. rolls, breakfalls, ground-
>	work, etc.)  Has anyone else out there in rec.ma land heard
>	of such a thing?  Do you have any ideas about the origin of
>	this tradition?  Or did I make it up in my sleep one night?
>

At promotion belt awarding ceremonies, I've heard my sensei say 
that symbolically, your belt has carried you through the rank you
are leaving.  It contains all the blood, sweat and tears you
have shed while you trained in that rank.  Those receiving new
belts sit seiza, and she tells them to take off their belts, fold
them up, and hold them in their left hands.  Then each stands to
receive the new belt.  Invariably, someone leaves the belt on the
floor.  Then she says don't leave your belt on the floor.  Have 
respect for it for carrying you through the last months, etc.

Laura
cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:58:42 GMT

In article <barry.702876438@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott) writes:
>
>>  In my _opinion_ if you want to learn to protect yourself take a street 
>>safe or Anti rape/mugging (yes I _know_ you're a guy) type course. I've 
>>found that to learn to properly protect yourself using a martial is not a 
>>good idea. A martial art takes hours of practice and years of training 
>>before you get to the point where the moves become instinctive. On the 
>>other hand, a street self-defence cource at the YWMCA (or whereever) takes 
>>less money and time to learn. Also, a street course does require you to be 
>>in great shape (ie. hours of weight training and flexibility exercices)
>
>	There is considerable weight of net.opinion suggesting that
>short courses (such as you describe) are entirely too short to have any
>useful results.  Some have even suggested that they may engender a 
>false sense of security, although some degree of self-confidence
>(even if ill-founded) may be a good thing (IMHO).
>
>	Think of it this way: If there exist a few simple techniques, 
>which can be taught and learnt in 6 weeks, and which are always
>effective, why are so many of us working so hard? :^)  
>
>	Barry.
>

	I have taken (and, in one case, helped teach) several such
courses, and I agree that they are of very limited use. Two months at
a couple hours a week just is not going to help much. I have known
several women, after taking such a course, who seemed to think they
were totally safe anywhere, when, in fact, I doubt they got a single
thing out of the course. I think, for people who have no other
training, the only good thing that can be said about them is that
they're better than nothing. 
	However, I (and other MAs I knew) got a lot out of the course(s).
Firstly, we knew how to train hard, and pay attantion, etc., which
most people taking the course didn't. Secondly, we could immediately
fit it into our MA framework. So I highly recomend such courses for
MAs, as they can provide a nice supplement in very practical and
simple self-defense, not to mention a moderate work-out too. I enjoyed
them very much.
	One other good thing about them though, is that they might
encourage someone to study MA, who normally wouldn't. 
			Ed Hartnett
From: geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dangerous Pole!
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:43:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: mlb.1992Apr7.024357.16223
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, HSS

just get some carpet scraps and wrap it with 7-8 thicknesses.

-- 
Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force

MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883, 
Melbourne  FL 32905.  geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com

"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."
From: mchui@spinner.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Chui)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce [and others] flame
Keywords: request for proof/documentation....
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:33:14 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Apr13.025331.11539@eng.umd.edu> doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
[Ker-snip]
>	and while we're on the subject of qualifications, would you mind
>publically stating your personal martial arts qualifications?  for example,
>i would be interested to see what style(s) you studied, for how long, and
>under which instructors(s), and what levels (recognized and documented, and
>by/from who) you attained.

	I think the net.consensus is that, in general, we're not interested.
People's posts will stand, sit, fall, burn, or take ukemi on their own merits,
without regard to rank, etc.  I read this newsgroup to participate a
cross-stylistic exchange of ideas about MA, not to awe or be awed by
net.claims.of.m-a.experience.  But please, let the lively point-counterpoint
continue...

Michael Chui
mchui@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Effectiveness, swords, etc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:29:22 GMT

>True.  In fact, at my old fencing club we pitted a sabre against an epee
>(using epee targets, ie. a touch *anywhere* scored).  The sabre and epee
>fencers were always arguing which was the most effective weapon--the
>point weapon or the edge weapon.  We found that the epee won 75% of the
>time.  Typically, as soon as the sabreist took his point off target to
>deliver a cut, the epeeist could simply thrust into the sabreist's
>attacking arm.  If the epee  thrust missed, then the sabreist often
>scored.  Even then, the epee blade was plenty strong enough to parry
>sabre cuts.

There is a movie called "Challenge of the Ninja," ...yes, it is only a movie,
but if you want an explication of the Chinese stylists' prejudice about sword
fighting, it is a good reference because it cites all the reasons why Japanese
sword fighting is inferior (in their opinions).  

BTW, I have a friend who is a Japanese sword expert (former curator at the
Boston Museum) who really really loves (I do too) Japanese swords and the
technology.  He, however, says the Chinese *did* (do) have comparable swords,
and that a number of the Japanese styles were copied from the Chinese (what's
new?).  If you care to challenge this assertion, I will be happy to convey a
phone number to you.

My own opinion is that as a fighting tool Japanese swords are cumbersome, and
that any practitioner, no matter how skilled, would quickly fall victim to the
(above mentioned) "epee effect" which is all about how the Chinese styles use
swords--quick stabs to vital arteries and organs.  It's like a .44 magnum,
it's only effective if you get it out of the holster in time--basically no
way, irrespective of my regard for their extreme beauty.

But then I guess this is just another eternal jingoistic argument.