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From: gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Questions about Angola
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:56:41 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

The Wise Man from the East writes
> >> >P.S. Congratulations Makala, I see you got your African name back in the  
> >> >password file at pitt.edu - good for you.
> >> 
> >> Mindless talk! He doesn't need any European to comment on his name.
> >
> >So?  I don't see any European is commenting on his name.    ;-)
> 
> Smart ass..:-) Have you looked at the mirror lately?? You have even forgotten
> your [European] grammar :-)

OK, let's see... mirror mirror on the wall... Nope, no European in the mirror  
either.  Wonder where that European is hiding.  Them with their proper grammer  
and all, mumble, mumble...

Have a good one.
--
Riel Smit                                                 gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Computer Science                             gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
University of Cape Town      "..and he walked his days under African skies"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: jpi@uk.ac.bham.cs (Jon Iles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Info. on Eldoret, Kenya Please !
Date: 20 Jan 93 16:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: jpi@uk.ac.bham.cs
Organization: University of Birmingham

Hi, 

I am posting this on behalf of someone who does not have internet access
normally, and as I am not a regular reader of this group could you please
e-mail any replies...

"I will be working with Psychiatrists in Eldoret at Moi University Hospital
from 15th March 1993 to 14th of April, and I would be grateful if anyone
who knows Eldoret could advise me on the whereabouts and costs of accomodation.
Any general information or advice about Eldoret and surrounding area would
be most welcome!"

Thanks in anticipation,

Jon

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From: sargeant@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Winslow Sargeant)
Subject: Re: African Borders
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:46:39 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


In article <1993Jan21.111312.14167@kth.se>, tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren) writes:
|> In article <1jka20INNgie@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor) writes:
|> 
|> >|> All of them made by foreigners. Ironically, Africa is geographically
|> >|> smaller than Russia.
|> 
|> >I agree so much with the knowledge you put out, except for this point.
|> >No country on the planet is larger than Africa. Russia is only 8.7 million
|> >square miles whereas Africa is 11.6 million. Even the world maps are racist
|> >is their representation of the continents.
|> 
|>  I take this last statement as a joke, but just for the record, Earth is
|> a globe, a map is flat. The higher up or the lower down a country or
|> continent is the bigger it will seem on a map, like Russia to Afrika.
|>  I wouldn't call Africa a country either.. ;)

   The United Nations has come up with a new global map.  The map is	
 called the equal areas map.  This map set all the continents in proper		
proportions.  I recommend this map to anyone.  		


 Winslow (formerly of Madison)

 internet: sargeant@rchvmx.vnet.ibm.com
	
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: boina@ece.scarolina.edu (Ibrahim Boina)
Subject: Is there some one from the Comoros Islands?
Summary: I would like to know whether there is some one from the Comoros so that we can have contact through e-mail.  If you are interested, let me knowThank you.   
Keywords: Information please?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:50:21 GMT
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Borders
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:16:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1993Jan22.112915.5434@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>In article <C17M8t.83H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>
>>If memory serves, the usual maps "preserve" the angle measured from the center
>>of the earch (while the one Winslow is talking 'bout "preseves" the surface 
>>area).
>>Coincedentally, this means the usual maps belittle the area size as one goes
>>closer to the equator.
>>So the usual format is much in line with Eurocentric mentality, hence has 
>>survived thus far.
>>This might explain the attitudes of the two Europeans who got onto this thread
>
> if you're referring to me as one of the Europeans, you're repeating what
>I explained about maps, plus world maps are not centered on Europe, they're
>centered around Ghana (sort of). Are you suggesting we'd pick +40 degrees,
>1 hours east as a center for a world map? that would be as stupid as picking
>the northpole...


Picking the north pole, south pole or any place else as the center for a
world map may not as stupid as you seem to want us believe. There really
ain't any reason why once some point gets picked people would eventually
get used to whatever the world map looks like. God didn't ordain that Ghana
or a neighborhood thereof should be the center of the world maps.

You know there really wouldn't be any loss in changing the center of these
maps. I would still have my butt fixed right here typing away garbage and
you would still be where you are happily reading this and thinking "this
guy is crazy". All that would need to be changed is the mind set, and too
bad for people whose craniums are full of empty space! :-)



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From: kyne@think.com (Shalty Kyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Liberia
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:01:02 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation


Could anyone help me with information on the situation in Liberia,
I would very much appreciate this help.

thanks

shalty
From: gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Borders
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:10:25 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

Barney Taylor writes
> Russia is only 8.7 million
> square miles whereas Africa is 11.6 million. Even the world maps are racist
> is their representation of the continents.

Then geometry is racist.  Actually, it is ironic: it is exactly the fact that  
Africa is usually shown in the "centre" of the world on a normal world map that  
under some projections causes other continents to be shown larger than what  
they are.   Maybe you should start campaigning for some other other place to  
take centre stage, then Africa can look bigger :-) 
--
Riel Smit                                                 gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Computer Science                             gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
University of Cape Town      "..and he walked his days under African skies"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:NIGERIA: MIXED REACTIONS OVER CLINTON
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:09:21 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1993, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: NIGERIA: MIXED REACTIONS OVER CLINTON


lagos, jan 19 (ips/remi oyo) -- the inauguration wednesday of
bill clinton as the new u.s. president does not cut much ice in
africa's most populous country.

making ends meet is the preoccupation of most of the 86
million nigerians. ''i am concerned with survival'', danmola
alabi, a carpenter told ips here tuesday.

alabi said his major worry is when his two children will
be allowed to resume school closed by the 49 day strike by
teachers. the carpenter and his neighbour, a fishmonger aduke
omoba, had never heard of clinton or that there had been a u.s.
election.

nigerian professionals however have mixed reactions over
what clinton's four year term could spell for africa.

''it obviously must signify some positive development for
africa. i expect for instance that there will be a reappraisal
of africa's high-level of indebtedness'', says ayo akinbobola, a
political scientist at the university of lagos.

''while i don't expect president clinton to be a father
chirstmas to write off africa's debt, i expect that he will make
such pronouncements as to give the african nations a ray of
hope'', he said.

around 10 percent of africa's total 300 billion dollar debt
burden is owed by nigeria.

but onome agofure, an economist with a private financial
institution believes clinton is not going to spare too much
though for the continent.

''clinton made it clear during and after the election that
his priority will be america's domestic economic problems.
i believe he will be more inward looking in his outlook,''
the economist said.

but akinbobola pointed out that clinton cannot afford to
ignore africa, especially in the political arena.

the u.s. is already involved in somalia and ''there is crisis
in almost every region of africa'', the political scientist
said.

but, ''with clinton, i think the world will witness a more
responsive attitude on the part of the united states and its
allies in critical areas requiring america's attention'',
akinbobola added. (end/ips/ro/oa/93)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: African Borders
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:12:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.134639.33290@rchland.ibm.com> sargeant@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Winslow Sargeant) writes:

>   The United Nations has come up with a new global map.  The map is	
> called the equal areas map.  This map set all the continents in proper		
>proportions.  I recommend this map to anyone.  		
>
>
> Winslow (formerly of Madison)
>

A much saner contribution to this thread, this is.

Just my 2 cents:

If memory serves, the usual maps "preserve" the angle measured from the center
of the earch (while the one Winslow is talking 'bout "preseves" the surface 
area).

Coincedentally, this means the usual maps belittle the area size as one goes
closer to the equator.

.......OR SO THEY SAY :-)

So the usual format is much in line with Eurocentric mentality, hence has 
survived thus far. If my man, Amadou M'bou (sp?) from Senagal was still head
of UNESCO, he would have staightened this out long time ago! Where is he, BTW?
He is a much better Afrikan than Butros Ghali, the "House nigga".

This might explain the attitudes of the two Europeans who got onto this thread
-- Riel Smit and Company.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: lpachter@cco.caltech.edu (Lior S. Pachter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Pretoria Boys' High School
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:15:40 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

I was just wondering if there are any Old Boys out there from PBHS?
I would be interested in getting in touch.

     -Lior Pachter Himself-

P.S. mail lpachter@cco.caltech.edu (left during form IV 1988)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Origin of the name "Dhaka"
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:40:38 GMT


Does anyone know how the name "Dhaka" originated ?

-Sayan.
From: agboyibor@vogan.essi.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Quoi de neuf au Togo
Keywords: togo, lome
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:29:39 GMT
Reply-To: agboyibor@vogan.essi.com
Organization: ESSI Communications

Quelqu'un a-t-il des nouvelles du Togo ?
Les bulletins de IPS dans ce newgroup n'en parlent pas.
Il y aurait des incidents depuis hier Mardi 25 Janvier.
Akouete.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: AIDS was 'Africa's dysfunctional politics'
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:05:48 GMT

In <1jkbvaINNgie@rave.larc.nasa.gov> taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor) writes:


>Does anyone (fellow brother and sisters) find it interesting that...
>ALL OF A SUDDEN Africa (Alkebulan) has a terrible problem with HIV and AIDS?

>I mean African's have no history, before European contact, of any of the qualities
>associated with the creation of AIDS e.g., beastyality (sp.) homosexuality etc etc etc. Also how is it that a people who have been around millions and millions of years
>having intercourse, reproducing, and all of the normal things men and women do, only 
>NOW  have caused some nonnaturally occuring disease, and never caused this disease before recently.

[stuff deleted}

Although I think that Africa needs to know where and who started this
disease so that it may not be allowed to happen to us again, I think our
time should be spent (at this stage of the spread) disscussing solutions
to steming the spread.
The majority of Africans would agree that the disease did not start on the
continent, and when those who started it are caught they should be
injected with the disease then locked up in a room with no medicine.
But because of the numbers of people who are perishing and going to
perish, we should discuss ways to stop the spread before the continent is
depopulated and others move in to bask in our sunshine.

Should ALL African governments give out FREE condoms on demand to anyone
who asks no matter what the financial cost?????
I say any cost because the financial cost of looking after the victims
when they get sick is breaking the budgets of African countries.

Should all soldiers and government workers undergo mandatory testing so
that those who find out they have the disease can take care not to spread it??
I picked these groups (civil servants etc) because they are the largest
urbanised sector of any African economy.

Should all couples getting married have mandatory AIDS or HIV test??

Will preaching abstinence to avoid AIDS work in Africa TODAY???
If not, are those who advocate abstinence in reality condeming the youth
to the effects of this disease??

In what class should schools start teaching sex education, if at all????

Maybe someone has other ideas out there, or does not agree with any of the
above questions.

Drastic situations need drastic actions and you can forget economic
development on the continent if we do not start moving on this issue in the
next five years!!


Kiggundu.

*******************May your rubber never break*************************
From: csa33@seq1.keele.ac.uk (H.S. Nwana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: CAMEROON: Bilingualism and Cameroon's Future...
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:07:07 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan.25.21.49.56.1993.1598@occlusal.rutgers.edu>, by shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon):
> In article <16B60109C2.UC475653@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, UC475653@mizzou1.missouri.edu writes:
>> Dear Shemlon,
>> do anglophones really feel inferior? This is news to me. 
>

Of course, YES!

I want to STRONGLY agree with Shemlon here.  

The point is even if anglophones do not feel inferior (I don't), THEY ARE OR
WILL BE MADE TO FEEL INFERIOR. I know some who speak French better than
francophones but they still get a rough deal. 

I was given a rough deal driving to Yaounde once without saying a word
because my number plate bore 'NW'. Do I need to continue?

Read some psychology my friend. If you are treated like a dog long enough, 
you start believing you are one sooner or later. Similarly, in anglophones 
are MADE TO FEEL INFERIOR, the consequence is they may soon believe that 
they are. This process is called CONDITIONING. The fact that this experiment has
been going on for 20 years (since 1972) only makes this more plausible.

You see knowing that you have a problem is already half-way to solving it.
But not knowing that a problem exists is nothing but a recipe for disaster.

I say this because may of our leaders including Biya and co. think this
way. Then they wonder why the country erupts in front of their very eyes!

Hyacinth Sama Nwana.
From: tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Borders
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:29:15 GMT
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden

In article <C17M8t.83H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:

>If memory serves, the usual maps "preserve" the angle measured from the center
>of the earch (while the one Winslow is talking 'bout "preseves" the surface 
>area).
>Coincedentally, this means the usual maps belittle the area size as one goes
>closer to the equator.
>So the usual format is much in line with Eurocentric mentality, hence has 
>survived thus far.
>This might explain the attitudes of the two Europeans who got onto this thread

 if you're referring to me as one of the Europeans, you're repeating what
I explained about maps, plus world maps are not centered on Europe, they're
centered around Ghana (sort of). Are you suggesting we'd pick +40 degrees,
1 hours east as a center for a world map? that would be as stupid as picking
the northpole...




---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
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               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Mental Disorders in the African American Community Caused by American Slavery
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:07:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.003921.23500@watson.ibm.com> magerman@watson.ibm.com (David Magerman;046923) writes:
>I don't claim to be an expert on any of this, but I can answer your
>question with an opinion.
>
>In article <1993Jan25.213934.10482@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>>
>>Is this meant to imply that there is a group behind this which is
>>seeking to blame the disorders of people today with events which occured
>>100 or more years ago?  Events where all involved are long dead?
>
>Just because those directly involved with slavery are dead, doesn't
>mean those who remained behind cannot be affected by the fact that
>slavery existed.  For instance, I'm sure there are people alive today
>who are deeply affected, even psychologically damaged by the
>Holocaust.  Knowing that most of your family lineage disappeared off
>the face of the earth can be pretty disturbing.  I know a little bit
>what it's like to know that your recent ancestors were enslaved by
>people not much different from the people who you now attend classes
>with.  	In high school, I encountered an exchange student from Germany
>whose family had been Nazis and who insisted that the Holocaust could
>not have happened.  I am still affected by my experiences with him.

I am not an expert, either, but I'm far less likely to apologize for it.

Are you crazy (the original poster)?  The past CREATES the present!  How
can you ask what bearing it has on us in the here and now?  It MADE the
here and now!!!  (The followup addressed this far more eloquently, but I
think missed this fundamental point.)  Are you saying that each person
starts life as a totally blank slate, completely uninfluenced by what
went before?  How the hell are we typing on computers, then, if the past
has such minimal impact on the present?  Why aren't we all living in
caves?  How else can you explain how much more liekly an AfAm man is to
be in jail than to be in college?  Is this genetics or something?  The
fact remains we HAVE this situation and it has to be explained somehow.

Saying that "they just don't have a sense of community/responsibility/
whatever" is just appealing to the logic you've just thrown out as
unsatisfactory -- saying that what came before does and will continue to
influence the present.  

Regards,
Janis C.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: RELIGIOUS POSTINGS...
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1993Jan19.133509.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:23:41

In article <1993Jan19.133509.1@vax1.umkc.edu> aali@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>The original article that you complained about was more of a news than 
>a religious one.  It merely informed us  about a particular event taking
>place in Canada and such an article is valid for this newsgroup.  Your
>irration seem to be a deep anti_muslim in your part and i hape you get
>over it soon.

  I don't have the original article here anymore, but I'd say it was
  an announcement of a demonstration about things, none of which had
  anything to do about Africa. And as that demonstration was in Canada,
  I think it really was not appropriate to put it here.

  But to err is human, even I do it :-) There really are more important
  things to do than to check every article, whether it is in its right
  place.
--
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From: nemo@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Capt. Nemo Semret)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Re:(Was: Re: THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS FORUM)- a Repost
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:33:12 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

>In article <2094@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>
>>First of all nothing that you wrote above belies the fact that "Many Africans
>>resisted European colonialism on the basis of Islam." 
>
>Please give an example of this in sub-saharan Africa...
>makala
>
Well I have just such an example. The "Mad Mullah of Somaliland" (he was
neither mad nor a mullah, the name was given by the British) fought one of
the longest anti-colonial wars in history against the British
in Somaliland and, to a lesser extent, against the Italians in Somalia.
From 1899 to 1905, and from 1908 to 1920, he conducted a fearsome guerilla
war, and had at one point, a cavalry of 10,000 men. 
His military successes are well documented. For example, on August 9th, 1913,
he wiped out a whole unit of the British colonial army, the Camel Constabulary 
Corps under the famous Col. Corfield. He was defeated when W. Churchill, who 
I think was Minister of War at the time, ordered the use of aircraft against 
him.

He was a devout Muslim, and the initial basis of his revolt was completely
religious. He would preach to his followers, made alliances with other
Muslim forces (Lidj Iyasou of Ethiopia, the Turks), and imposed a very
strict religious discipline (violently enforced) on his soldiers as well 
as the civilians in areas he controlled.
He was definitely an African (not the slightest trace of Arab blood in him), 
from the Darod Clan in Ogaden. If that's not African, nobody is.
-- 
----------------------------------
| Capt. Nemo Semret		 |
| e-mail: nemo@mcrcim.mcgill.edu |
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: FELA KUTI ARRESTED FOR MURDER????
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:59:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

A buddy of mine said that he heard on the radio yesterday (Tuesday 26th
Jan 93) that Fela had been arrested for murder.  Details are sketchy but
something about an argument over money and his body guard killing the
other guy.  Anyone with any info please mail me or post.

Thanks a million in advance

Kiggundu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african