From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: MUTLU
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:33:09 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:
>In article <7182@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik.T. Winter) writes
>>In article <83T8PB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de> tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
>                                          (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:


[Speculation about JP leaving debts behind]

>  I find it very unfair to write someting like this about somebody that can
>  not defend himself (I am sure John Palmer doesn't read TPM and others).
>  Even if it is true, this is not the right place to write about it. In the 
>  meantime I wrote to the postmaster (John Palmer)of michigan.com and here
>  is his reply:

From what I understand JP has filed for Chapter 11 in the US - court protection
against creditors.

>From: jp@tygra.michigan.com (John Palmer)
>Subject: Re: Misusing USENET
>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 1:48:50 EDT

>> Now, if you calculate that this sum must be multiplied by the number of news-
>> groups where he distributes, it adds to enormous sums in space, time AND
>> money, yours, mine and that of the many backbones and sites where Mutlu's
>> news arrive.

Cross-posting only occupies a few extra bytes of disk space containing pointers
to the groups. It doesn't save multiple copies of the article on your disk for
easch newsgroup cross-posted to, just one copy and the pointers.

[ Stuff about the cost to users of downloading 'junk']

>As for sending posts back, I URGE YOU to drop that idea. I will do every
>thing in my power to see to it that you never get the chance to do it 
>again. You will be in violation of federal law, many state laws, most 
>system user policies and perhaps the laws in your own country. Right now
>mail to anyuser at anadolu.michigan.com bounces as their feed is turned
>off till we get into a new office.

Mr Palmer obvious has some difficulty in distinguishing between junk mail
and legitemate stuff. I'd be interested to know what federal, state or 
international law returning unsolicited junk to it's source is. The answer is
of course none. If someone sends me unsolicited junk, I'm quite entitled to
return it to the sender with a polite "No thank you" or otherwise.
 
>I have no patience with e-mail terrorists and will vigorously work to 
>get their access revoked. 

AHH..and JP shows his true colours..with the oft used threat of virtual lawyers.
Anyone interested in JPs antics can read about them in the newsgroup
alt.fan.john-palmer - he's quite a boy for threatening legal action.
 
[Rest of JPs letter deleted]

>invite everybody who feels that Mutlu is misusing USENET to write to John
>Palmer AND to  postmaster@berkeley.edu and complain. If no one of them 
>answers then you might act as you feel, for example to mail to mr.Mutlu his
>posters. BUT PLEASE DO IT ONLY IF :

Yoyr wasting your time, mcs.com have gone bust.

Run a kill file on Mutlu if it bothers you that much.

Anyone can go into a shop, buy a bull-horn and rave at passers by in a park
who stray too close about some crazy conspiracy theory you've cooked up.

Someone (Ken Aromdee I think?) said running a kill file on Mutlu is how he
'wins'. I don't agree. No one in there right mind is going to make sure they
spend every day listening to some certified loon in the park with a bull-horn
fearing that if they don't, the loon would 'win'. Mutlu is the Usenet
equivalent. The more he bull-horns the net, the more looney he looks.

Kill files give you the net equivalent of ear defenders. Wear them and ignore
the loon.


Dave
[PS Sorry if I spelt your name wrong Ken]

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