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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:41:46 GMT

In article <C1A1FM.Bws@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.180342.27475W@viper.edb.tih.no> jorni@edb.tih.no writes:
>>Commodore in Norway has more or less confermed the availability of
>>an Amiga 4000 with a 68EC030, 4MB ram and an 85 MB harddisk.
>>
>>The price was the biggest shock of them all: NOK 14500,- incl. tax.
>>
>>That translates to about $1900-$2000 with an exchange rate of 
>>approximately 6.5-7.
>>
>>Release (in Norway): Febr. 15th.
>>
>>This might not be too cheap in the US, but it sure caused quite a 
>>stir here in Norway!
>
>   If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  

US$2000 in Norway is not the same thing as $2000 in the US.  :-)

To get an idea of the US price of the A4000/EC30, you'd need to know how
much A4000/040s cost in Norway, then scale appropriately.  My guess is that
the US price would be well under $2000, given the power-up pricing of the
A4000/040.

>Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
>the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
>and a detached keyboard would be nice.

Sounds good, although I'd prefer a system with an MMU.  I'd also like slots
and room for internal drives in a midrange system.  Sounds like I've just
described an A4000....  Really, what could you cut out of an A4000 to make a
midrange system, while retaining the detatched keyboard/cpu box design?  It
doesn't even have a SCSI interface built in, that could be removed from the
design.  It seems to me that the A4000 IS the mid-range AGA system.


> However, Commodore has a history of
>not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
>marketing one now.

True enough.  The competition's greatest in the middle - it's hardest for
them there.  Commodore can compete well at the low end with the A1200, while
the high end isn't too price sensitive - people know what they want, and they
buy it.  In the mid-range, I don't know how anything could ever compete with
current 486 pricing.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB- |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: atari falcon makes it
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:11:10 EST


TC>While it appears that the machine remains rather elusive, the February issue
TC>of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article entitled "Falcon030
TC>Leads the Pack" (p. 58). Much of the review is devoted to the fact that
TC>the Falcon is the first consumer-level desktop computer to offer an on-board
TC>DSP (MC 56001). The article concludes with the comment that "Atari is
TC>offering a tantalizing and affordable preview of things to come."

TC>Of particular interest is the fact that the article mentions that IBM will
TC>soon be equipping their Ultimedia systems with the MWave DSP (developed in
TC>conjunction with TI). Even more interesting is the fact that Apple has
TC>apparently adopted AT&T's DSP 3210 for its future Mac platforms. Ring any
TC>bells? :).

It might also suprise you that Commodore talked about their DSP chip, the 
new Amigas/Super AGA Chipset and the direction Commodore is headed at the
World Of Commodore show in Toronto!
 
And to top it off, they will probaly have it out before Atari gets their
Falcon out on the streets hehe.

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Amiga A1200.....
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:35:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>In <1993Jan20.192050.3357@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>>I see that you are in the UK. Would the 'high street computer store'
>>happen to be Dixons? Don't you know Dixons is paid by B*ll G*tes to 
>>discredit Commodore?

Details please. Why would BillG have to pay someone to
discredit Commodore when Commodore does such a fine job
if discrediting itself?

Ian.
-- 
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pack COMPLETE WITH the economy "Saturday-Night-Special" 12-ga. dubble-ought
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MAIL : IANK@MICROSOFT.COM
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.203420.28063@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.195853.7894@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis) writes:
>
> > I used to miss '..' and '.' on my Amiga system.  However, I got over '..'.
> > Use of '/' to accomplish the same thing is actually easier to type.  To
> > back out of my current directory and enter a new one, I just type
> > '/newdir' at the shell prompt.  I like that -- better than '..' now.
>
>BUT why is there no '.'?  I find myself cding to the destination directory, then
>including the full path in the copy command anyway, since there's no '.'.  (Well,
>I used to, now I use SKsh :)
>
> > -bevis
>
>-Eyvind


In standard AmigaDOS, a null string indicates current directory.  So you
can do things like:


copy ram: "" all

to copy the entire ram disk to the current directory, or

rename dog/cat/#?.c ""

to move all the .c files in the cat subdirectory up two levels to the
current directory.

			andy

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colleague's physics paper presented to him for review.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:38:25 GMT
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Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
:
: >: >It isn't.  DOS3Call() is just a bad way to do something that can be done
: >: >another way.  It's there for the same reason that "goto" is part of C.
: >:
: >:   It figures all too plainly that you'd think goto's are harmful.  Even K&R
: >: shows that it has it's uses, albeit judiciously.
: >:
:
: >Goto's aren't harmful?  Have you ever had to look through a 5000-line FORTRAN
: >subroutine in which every third statement is a goto?
:
:   Another of Jerry's Real World Examples(tm), eh?  
:

It is a real-world example, although slightly exaggerated, obviously.
Unfortunately, company policy prohibits me from posting the subroutine in
question.

:
:   Read my quote again, using a goto every third line definately falls outside 
: the relm of judicious use, at least to a reasonable person.
:

You have to take human nature into account.  Goto's are a dangerous short cut,
which people will abuse if not discouraged.  I really wish I could post the
example.

:
:   Very few things are harmless if used carelessly, even knowledge,
:

Ah, but some things are more harmful than others.

:   -jack-
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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:51:18 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan27.113851.14179@ifi.uio.no>, stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig A. Olsen) writes:

 > The PC is better for vector and dungeon type games, the amiga is best

Just what is a 'dungeon type game'?  If you mean a Dungeon Master-type game, then,
well, the original was an ST game, wasn't it?  If, on the other hand, you mean an
Ultima Underworld-type game, well, we'll see when it gets out...

 > for action/multiple playfield games like shoot-em-ups, platform etc. 

Anyway, how can you separate computers into genres?  Games are as good as the
programmers that wrote them, so if the best flight-sim programmers program the PC,
you may be right.  But it doesn't necessarily have much to do with the hardware.

 > Just for the record, I have both an Amiga and a PC.

YOU PERVERT!  YOU SICK, DEMENTED, erm...  oh yes.  Haha.  Just kidding.  No,
really, I was...

 > |    Stig A. Olsen  |  stigo@ifi.uio.no  |  "Ja til EF"       |   
                                                ^^^^^^^^^
Dette, derimot, er jeg enig i :)

-Eyvind

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:51:57 GMT
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Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <1993Jan26.162343.14030@fcom.cc.utah.edu> carl@jordan.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:
>In article <10583@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>
>>ago. Thus also electricity is no solution either, as you have to produce
>>it in powerstations that a) produce masses of carbon dioxide either, or
>>b) are nuclear and will transform the whole world into Tchernobyl area
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>earlier or later.
>
>I don't believe fission is the ultimate answer to our energy problems, but your
>statement above is ludicrous (IMHO).  Do you know anything about MODERN reactor
>design (not Chernobyl) or do you just believe everything you hear in the media?
>
>BTW, I agree that harnessing energy from the sun is the ultimate goal for an
>energy source, but for now nuclear power is one of the most environmentally
>safe major sources of energy available today.

Except that we're rapidly running out of places to put the waste.  The
new government underground storage facility is 3 years behind schedule
(trust me, it did a research paper on this last year).  The storage
facilities at the power plants and nuclear research facilities are
operating beyond what is considered 'normally safe operating
parameters'.  The waste stays at a radioactivity level that is
considered by our government not to be safe for a minimum of 5000 years
(somtimes as much as 25,000 years), depending on the grade of materials
used.  To put this in perspective, remember that civilization has only
been around for about 10,000 years.

While nuclear fission causes a lot of problems, I do see hope for
fusion.  According to what I've read, the only known waste product is
hydrogen (in a couple of different forms).  If some of you recall, a
couple of years ago, a UK research group had some success with a model
fusion reactor, but they said any commercial application is at least 50
years away.

Anyway, to keep this on topic with the newsgroup (or sort of), can
anyone tell me how well the fusion-forty board works? :-)

>-Carl
>
>>-- 
>>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>>Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             Carl W. Howard    email-> carl@mines.utah.edu
>       System Administrator - College of Mines and Earth Sciences
> 102 WBB - University of Utah - Salt Lake City, UT  84112 - (801) 581-3485  

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:17:44 GMT
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Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan22.180342.27475W@viper.edb.tih.no> jorni@edb.tih.no writes:
: >Commodore in Norway has more or less confermed the availability of
: >an Amiga 4000 with a 68EC030, 4MB ram and an 85 MB harddisk.
: >
: >The price was the biggest shock of them all: NOK 14500,- incl. tax.
: >
: >That translates to about $1900-$2000 with an exchange rate of 
: >approximately 6.5-7.
: >
: >Release (in Norway): Febr. 15th.
: >
: >This might not be too cheap in the US, but it sure caused quite a 
: >stir here in Norway!

:    If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
: Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
: Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
: the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
: and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
: not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
: marketing one now.

Shut up Marc.

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Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:52:09 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
 <1993Jan24.101614.14124@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

In article <1993Jan24.101614.14124@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu
(Matt Simmons) says:
>Ian Kennedy (iank@microsoft.com) wrote:
>: P.S. they also cause respiratory disease, cancer, smog and
>: global warming. (to be debated).
>The fact that global warming, aka the "greenhouse effect" doesn't exist/is not
>happening notwithstanding...

The fact is that it is NOT a "fact" that global warming does not exist.
Global warming is still being debated. There is some evidence for it and
a method by which it may be happening, but not enough evidence to really
prove it. YET.

     "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
   DISCLAIMER: Penn State University cares about my money, not my opinions.
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:21:03 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.152532.8647@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
>>
>
>At least you can fix this under AmigaDOS. I challenge any PC user or programmer
>to fix the "\" to be a "/".
>
>Mike Danielsen


Actually, Microsoft tried to fix this mistake...back in DOS 2.0 they
had a config.sys option that would do it;  the option was called
SWITCHAR= .  It would exchange the character used in switches (/)
with the character used as a directory seperator.  Sounds good, right ?

They had to pull it, because too many applications hardcode their
path names within the application.  So Microsoft pulled the option
from the user interface.   However, they left the programatic access it in 
there, as INT21h function 3701h.  

If you use DOS 3, you'll find it reasonably useful.

Starting with DOS 4, when they rewrote command.com, they stopped
calling Int21h function 3700h (get switchar) in most places internally, so
things got kind of strange.   

These days you can get ports of Unix-like shells, so its not that
bad.  I know of no solution for use with Windows, though.  (joke :-)  )

		andy
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colleague's physics paper presented to him for review.

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & glo
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:10:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>I'd be getting out the flamethrower and TORCHING the thing

Could you send it to me instead. I promise to burn it after I'm through.

>For that matter, the day the Swedish Bikini Team has equal
>numbers of hung males in Speeds as female bouncing bimboes in bikinis, I'll
>have less disrespect for its purveyors, too.

Well, if that doesn't get them to stop, I don't know what will.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpb1001@phx.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:49:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203420.28063@ugle.unit.no>, eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.195853.7894@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis) writes:
|> 
|>  > I used to miss '..' and '.' on my Amiga system.  However, I got over '..'.
|>  > Use of '/' to accomplish the same thing is actually easier to type.  To
|>  > back out of my current directory and enter a new one, I just type
|>  > '/newdir' at the shell prompt.  I like that -- better than '..' now.
|> 
|> BUT why is there no '.'?  I find myself cding to the destination directory, then
|> including the full path in the copy command anyway, since there's no '.'.  (Well,
|> I used to, now I use SKsh :)

This is simple to do. To refer to the current directory under AmigaDOS, just use
"" (eg copy DH1:Games/Civilisation "")

Chris Brown
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:08:11 GMT
Organization: Commodore Germany

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Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: 
Organization: Commodore Germany
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan26.121123.18965@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
 >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
 >: In article <1993Jan25.064208.3478@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
 >:>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
 >
 >:>: 	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
 >:>: risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.
 >:>
 >:>You're kidding... I thought it was getting cooler...
 >
 >: 	Sorry, I meant the past 100 years...
 >
 >I was being serious... I thought I had noticed a trend of cooler summers over
 >the past 2-3 years... But then that could just be from Mt. Pinatubo...

Perhaps, at your place. What I read is that the ice of Arctic and
Antarctic is fewer than ever, and that the average earth temperature
raised significantly (was it 1 whole centigrade) over the last 50 years.
That's MUCH.

-- 
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Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:21:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.222107.23146@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.214147.13439@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
> > Nope.  You think I was talking about MSDOS when I write about
> > directories like 'D:\Games\Falcon3.0 which Amigans ain't got'?
> > It was OS/2.
> > 
> > MSDOS is old, and archaic, but still plays the best RPGs and Flight/Fighter
> > Sims in the private world.
>
>Not Falcon3.0, according to your description above - maybe D:\GAMES\FALCON30.EXE,
>but not 'D:\Games\Falcon3.0 which Amigans ain't got'.

Look, here is a directory I just made in OS/2.  I could, in one fell swoop, 
move the whole of my real Falcon3 directory and put it ALL in the one
shown below.  I could go into the directory, annd type 'falcon', and
viola, Falcon 3.0 fires up.

[D:\Games]mkdir "Falcon 3.0 which Amigans ain't got."

[D:\Games]dir

 The volume label in drive D is OS2.
 The Volume Serial Number is 25CB:8C14
 Directory of D:\Games

 1-23-93  11:18p     <DIR>           0  .
 1-23-93  11:18p     <DIR>           0  ..
 1-23-93  11:18p     <DIR>           0  Falcon 3.0 which Amigans ain't got
         3 file(s)          0 bytes used
                     11754496 bytes free

[D:\Games]


Now, mind you, I don't play Falcon under OS/2, the framerate is somewhat slower.
So I play it under DOS.  But, so what?  I was just using the "Falcon which..."
line to example OS/2's HPFS, not mega-DOS game playing under OS/2's HPFS.

>-Eyvind
How do you pronounse that?  sorta like "Eh-vend"?

> \X/   |         eyvind@lise.unit.no | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!  Ackpth!
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