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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Luther references
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.215559.813@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>
>	Recently in personal correspondence, while
>trying to explain why Jews tend to be sensitive about
>prostyletizing, I paraphrased some things I had read about Martin Luther
>and his feelings about Jews.
>
>	I mentioned how Martin claimed to love Jews and felt the
>only reason we hadn't accepted Jesus and Chrisitianity was the 
>Bible was in Latin. He was sure that as soon as he was done with
>his translation into German, we'd "see the light".
>
>	When he was finished and the Jews said "That's nice, we
>still don't believe", Martin suggested (to the best of my recollections)
>that Synagogues be burned and Jews driven from their villages.
>
>	I last read this stuff in high school and have no
>references or quotes. Could someone please help?

You can get it all from Luther's own essays. The "tolerant,"
proselytizing Luther wrote an essay called "Jesus Was Born a
Jew". The later Luther wrote an essay called "On the Jews and
their Lies", which advocated (among other things) burning
synagogues and Jewish books, seizing Jewish possesions, etc.

I don't know of any books with these essays, but they shouldn't
be hard to find.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:03:55 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
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Marc Krawitz (mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu) wrote:
> As a young, Jewish college student, I am tired of hearing about attempts
> by other Jews to interfere with healthy, interracial and intercultural
> relationships.  

Interestingly, Judiasm doesn't oppose interracial relationships if they are
between Jews.  Afterall, Israel is a country made up of Jews from almost 
every race.  Hence black Jews can marry brown Jews, who can marry white Jews,
who can marry yellow Jews, etc.  

> I believe that the needs and desires of the individual
> come before those of his/her culture, and furthermore, I believe that
> any attempts to undermine these rights are unethical.

Of course, you may believe as you choose.  Attempts to "undermine these rights"
may indeed be unethical according to your standard.  Nevertheless, Judiasm 
does oppose "intermarriage", i.e. marriages to people outside of the Jewish 
faith without proper conversion.  Such marriages are immoral as opposed to
unethical according to the absolute standard of law provided in the Torah.

Racial biases or prejudices, you may have encountered are not representative
of the Jewish religion, but of individuals.  Nevertheless, the continuation
of our belief system rests on the establishment of the Jewish family and 
marriages between those of different religions fail in this reguard.

--
		-- Jeff Spiegel		jspiegel@lsil.com	408-433-4291
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews on the US Supreme Court
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:26:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct16.150444.14502@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, friedenb@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
> 
> I was playing Tradition (basically Jewish-Trivial Pursuit), and got a
> question about the first Jewish US Supreme Court Justice.  I guessed
> Louis Brandeis because I figured that he (Brandeis) was the *only*
> Jewish Supreme Court Justice.  I was wrong.  (Unfortunately I do not
> have the question card with me, and I don't remember the name of the
> correct answer).
> 
> How many Jewish Supreme Court Justices have there been in the US?  
> At least two (Brandies, and the man from the Tradition question)?
		^^^^^xx^
	(i'll have two brandies too please -:))
> 

That's Brandeis.

Also:

Benjamin Cardozo
Arthur Goldberg
Felix Frankfurter


		Seth Rosenthal (no not a supreme court justice)
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: BIG NOSES
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:43:42 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <Oct09.223603.40002@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:

> I'm Jewish so don't get mad but why do so many of us have
> large noses?  Is this some ethnic trait?  I know it's not 
> all Jews , of course, but I wonder how this whole "nose"
> thing got started in the first place.


This is from an article quoted from the daily "Did You Know" column in THE AGE
newspaper (21 May 92, Melbourne, Australia) and written by Graeme Donald.

"...the so-called Jewish nose is a figment of the anti-semitic imagination.
Such shaped noses are more prevalent in other racial groups, notably native
Americans. A US survey established that only 12 per cent of New York Jews
posessed the "typical nose", which on the other hand was to be found in about
80 per cent of American Indians."
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From: chips@eskimo.celestial.com (:crp:)
Subject: Kosher Honey
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:23:29 GMT

Why is honey kosher?
Is there any other food that comes from something treif that is kosher?
Does honey need a hechsher?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Jewish vs Arabs
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:19:12 GMT

In article <exposim.718993469@hp9k> exposim@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Simposium de Sistemas) writes:

>    I'm here again with a question.

>    I have received some answers to my two questions, i'm very glad to you
>   by your cooperation. Now i have another one:

>    If Israel is the most democratic country in Middle East, why 
>    is he so punished (i think it's the right word), by the Arabs.

What does one have to do with the other?  Most of those Arabic countries
are not democracies, nor do they care about democracy.  Most are actively
anti-democratic.

>    Maybe the U.S. has something to see there? Maybe because the 
>    jewish in Israel are trying to insitutionalize the Apartheid vs
>    the non-jewish people (Arabs, Palestinians,etc).

Huh?  Arab countries were trying to destroy Israel root and branch
long before *anything* was institutionalized there.  The invasion
of Israel occurred, if memory serves, about 24 hours after the new
state was procvlaimed in 1948.  The goal was to "drive the Jews into
the sea."  Still is.

Moreover, the Palestinians' plight was hardly ever even mentioned
in Arab anti-Israeli rhetoric until after the Six-Day War in 1967.
(Also, the "institutionalized Apartheid" you refer to is practiced
far more rigorously in some Arab countries -- with regard to the
Palestinians, and despite there being no pressing need.  Israel
is effectively at war for its survival; can Kuwait make this claim?

>    Can we say it's more a problem of religion than a problem of 
>    economics, the most important problems in Israel???

Well, insofar as Israel itself represents "a problem of religion"
in the area, some factions wanting *all* Jews dead, yes, I suppose so.

>                                             Thanks a lot.

Hey, anytime!

Roger

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From: jfinger@adobe.com (Jeff Finger)
Subject: Babysitter Wanted
Organization: Adobe Systems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:21:02 GMT

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        in the afternoons. Some light housework. Own transportation.
        Please call Debbie at (415) 964-4277.

Please do not respond to this email address.
Thank you.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JEWISH HERITAGE MONTH paragraphs
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (mark.r.leeper)

In article <1992Oct9.004449.1649@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, leeper@cbnewsj (mark.r.leeper) writes:
>Shmuel Agnon (1988-1970) was born Shmuel Yosef Czaczkes in Galicia,

Among other things, he is also the author of DAYS OF AWE.  There's a
famous, perhaps apocryphal, story, regarding his response to winning
the Nobel Prize.  When told about the awards procedure, he got all
excited when told the King of Sweden would be giving him the medal
personally.  It meant he had the chance to say the brocha on meeting
a king.

>Melvin Jerome Blanc was born on May 30, 1908.

Among his famous voices was also Barney Rubble.  The first season of
"The Flintstones" was recorded from his hospital room, where he was
recuperating from a severe automobile accident.  There's a remarkable
story behind his recovery.  He had been in a coma for some time, when
one Saturday morning his doctor got an inspiration--he went over to
Mel and said "what's up doc?" and Bugs Bunny responded.  The doctor
then got Porky Pig to respond, and Mel was conscious again within a
day.

Mel Blanc hated carrots, but unfortunately for him, he could not fake
that particular sound!
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:37:14 EDT
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Whence the minyan?

When the twelve spies that Moshe sent into the Land came back and said
that the Israelites couldn't conquer it, God said "how long must I put
up with this evil congregation" ('edah raah). But, since Joshua and Caleb
brought back a minority opinion, the evil congregation is not twelve
but ten, or 12 - 2. Thus the Rabbis derived that a congregation is ten.

As to whether this requirement is post-biblical, this is I suppose a question
of interpretation. I suspect traditionalists would say it is biblical, being
inherent in the text, though there is no place in the Tanach where it
says in so many words "thou shalt have a minyan, and the minyan shall
consist of ten."

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17617 soc.culture.polish:3172
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Polish Anti-semitism or is it?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:06:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: liver ---> spleen

In article <qxhpsmk@lynx.unm.edu> osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek
Osinski) writes:

>I think it is important to realize that when you speak of
>Jews of Poland, you are referring only to a fraction (albeit by far
>dominant) of people of Jewish ethnic background who would declare
>their religion as Jewish. Those who were atheists (and there were
>quite a few...) and especially those who abandoned Judaism for 
>Christianity would not be subject to those restrictions. 

I think it is pretty damn close to antisemitism to demand I must reject
Judaism in order to be accepted.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:14:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Small correction to my previous text: the book I was quoting from
was written by Yisrael Gutman & Shmuel Krakowski, NOT by
Schmul&Krakowski as I erroneously put.




--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania |Due to circumstances beyond
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter |your control, you're master of 
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                |your fate and captain of your soul
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From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Israeli stocks on the NYSE
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


Can anyone post a list of the Israeli companies who trade stock
on the New York Stock Exchange?

I cannot afford to invest heavily in the Israeli economy, but I have
a few $ to put into investment.  

Thanks,

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: More Questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:35:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Oct13.164441.28834@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>1) The Torah (five books of Moses only) were not only divinly
>   inspired, but were divinely authored.

This is orthodox belief.  Conservative belief is divinely inspired.

>3) The Oral tradition was given directly to Moses.  It was passed on
>   via word of mouth for many many generations.  The Mishna (and the
>Talmud and all the commentaries) is based on this Oral tradition, but
>is not the literal word of the Oral traditions.  It is a huge
>compilation of discussions designed to clarify and explain the Oral
>traditions, since the original word-of-mouth wording was lost long
>ago.  The decisions of the Rabbis in these works are considered
>binding as if God, himself made them.
>
>The liberal Jews believe that part 3 is purely a concoction of the
>Rabbis, and has no basis in Jewish Law.  They believe that since a

If so, and it isn't so, why in the world are the rabbis who serve on
the RA's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards spending their time
writing responsa and following Halacha?  Of course, some readers
will deny that Halacha is being followed, but denying does not make
for truth.

In fact, within the largest body of conservative rabbis in the world
is the Committee on Jewish Law which continually meets and reviews
Halacha and from time to time issues responsa. Not coincidentally,
many of the responsa deal with current issues in the world in which
we live, and differ from practices held by most orthodox
practitioners.  SOmetimes the responsa agree, such as issues
involving organ transplants, and other times they disagree, such as
those dealing with women's roles in Jewish life.

>bunch of men made it up (a premise the Orthodox deny 100%) it can be
>accepted, altered or discarded at will.  Obviously, some groups are
>more liberal than others.

What?  Do you think Halacha is clay?  Or is the Yom Kippur influence
creeping in the wrong direction, and becioming invective instead of
a positive force in our lives?
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: * Yeshu ? *
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:38:20 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Oct14.220853.3585@cbnews.cb.att.com>,
by ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet):
> 
> A positive integer less than two; else we could talk of the Pi-th
> coming, ...

This has great potential.  In the book "The Phantom Tollbooth", there is
a secondary character who is only 0.5 (or so) there because the average
american family has 2.5 children, and his is a truly average family.
He complains that there used to be a bit more of him, but he's been
shrinking recently.   ___
                     /   th
Similarly, for the \/  2    coming, one only needs 0.414 of a messiah
(after the first whole one) to satisfy the bill of particulars.  I don't
know what the law says on fractional qualifications, but perhaps being
human might fill out this quite nicely.  Thus, while I have serious
doubts about the Reverend Moon or the Maharishi's claims, they may well
satisfy the requirements for, by way of example, the 1/e th coming.

						Doug Jones
						jones@cs.uiowa.edu
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From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:10:33 GMT

In article <1b7sucINNhtj@agate.berkeley.edu> lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>Why is it always predominantly men who invoke the argument of
>the word of G-d and the argument that they see nothing unfair
>to women in Orthodox tradition?

How does the gender of the person making an argument affects the argument
itself ?  If the majority of persons claiming that women are degraded
in Orthodox tradition happen to be women, should that discredit the
claim itself ?

>
>Leslie
>

Dov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:11:47 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford NY

In article <2AD3FFFF.13320@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) writes:
>This is a blatant misrepresentation of my earlier post.  I do NOT believe
>that the destruction of Judaism is healthy, nor am I implying that those
>who do not intermarry are racists.  What I am implying (see my original
>article) is that Jews deserve a choice in this matter, without having
>to endure harassment from friends, family, or colleagues.  The key word
>here is *choice*.  I am not saying that it is wrong, or racist to marry
>other Jews, I am only saying that Jews (particularly non-religious Jews
>like myself) have a right to marry anyone they wish.  Is that not a
>fundamental right in any democracy?  If the idea of intermarriage
>represents some kind of irrelevant, extremist philosophy, than why
>is the intermarriage rate among Jews so high?


Wow, so much material, and so little time.

a. Intermarriage is destructive to the Jewish people.  The descendants of 
   intermarried couples generally are lost to Judaism.  And yes we can all
   hear tails of Rob Strom and his Jewish kids, or any of a dozen other
   cases you want to site, BUT, the statistics bear out that intermarriage
   of Jew to a non-Jew results in non-Jewish children, grandchildren.  The
   reason most of us don't know about them is that they are lost to our
   general experience.  I have had several people come up to me and say:
   my grandfather was Jewish.  They, and their parents and their siblings
   and children, are good Christians.  

   Overall, the Jewish people is reduced by intermarriage. 

b. Jews have a right to marry anyone they choose.  Surely this is true.
   But Jews have a right to criticize those who opt out.  And who said
   Judaism is a democracy.  Last time I looked it was a dictatorship,
   God spoke and we acted.

c. The reason that intermarriage is so high is that many of those 
   intermarrying come from homes with little or no Jewish content.  The
   knowledge of why Jews must marry Jews is lost.  The joy of Judaism
   is lost. 

d. If you do not believe that the destruction of the Jewish people is
   healthy, how do you propose that we continue if our children and
   our children's children are not Jews?


>I would like to conclude this post by apologizing to anybody who was
>offended by my earlier post.  I guess I just wanted the readers of
>s.c.j. to hear another point of view, particularly from a young person
>like myself, who is strongly effected by this volatile issue.

We are all affected by this is issue.  I doubt there is a person on the 
net who does not have a relative who intermarried.  Those of us with
children must consider this question each day, and if we do not want 
intermarriage to occur, we must consider how to stop it.

-- 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -->     David Esan      de@moscom.com  
 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:09:52 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <2677@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <9210141950.AA23467@ptms_dev.sbi.com> gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler) writes:
>
>>Let's have the statistical evidence that it
>>is "always predominantly men who invoke the argument of the word of
>>G-d and the argument that they see nothing unfair to women in Orthodox
>>tradition."
>
>I suppose that one could go through this thread and tally the number
>of men vs. women who stated that they found nothing unfair to women in
>O.  Whether that's a large enough sample or not, I don't know.  I'm
> ...

I'd like to ask a related question, which I think (hope) will
illustrate my point that these statistics are totally meaningless.

I have 4 young children. I have no doubt that were you to take a survey
of their opinions, they would tell you that at times
I am not fair. (If you don't like me as an example, take any other
parent in the world. I suspect the results will be pretty similiar.)

Now, does that mean that I am unfair as a parent, or does it mean
that my children do not have the wisdom and maturity to understand
me?

Hayim Hendeles
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From: lhsux@swingset.bae.bellcore.com (Lorne Schachter)
Subject: Re: The I-can't-believe-they-got-a-hescher-on-this thread
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:11:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.170354.2211@nynexst.com>, schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:
|> 
|> In article <92121@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
|> 
|> For what it's worth, I've seen perfectly acceptable hechsherim on
|> hot cross buns and Easter egg candies.  Most likely, the manufacturer
|> has a blanket hechsher on all products from factory X.

For those who are interested, the latest issue of Jewish Action, the OU
magazine has a fascinating article by Rabbi Yaakov Luban about what a
company has to go through to get an OU hechsher.  I imagine all the other
major hechsherim have very similar procedures, since they will accept
ingredients that the others have certified.

					Lorne
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