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From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Arabic ATM fonts
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:13:14 GMT

In article <19920723.122043.624@almaden.ibm.com> fischths@wmavm7.ibm.com (Scott  
Fischthal) writes:
    *  I'm looking for an Arabic language Type 1 ATM font.  Does anyone know
    *  where I can find one?  Commercial, shareware or public domain are all
    *  acceptable.  Thanks!!!
Linguists Software,
PO Box 580,
Edmonds,
Washington 98020.
(206) 775-1130

	........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: WANTED: composite font generator + ATM-J specs
Followup-To: comp.fonts 
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:42:59 GMT


I have two questions which I've asked many times, but never had answered:

1) I need a tool (a la Fontographer, but it doesn't do it) to make PS
fonts, but which works for composite fonts.  Why composite fonts?
Because this is for a Japanese kana/kanji font.  Ideally it should
be able to rasterize bitmaps as Fontographer - heck I need a Fontographer
that handles true composite fonts!  I will be using bitmaps as a start,
and then polishing everything by hand.  Big job, I know...

2) I have ATM-J with PS fonts for Japanese kanji, but they are in no 
format I know of (but then I'm no hacker, just patient ;-).  Ideally
I would like to use these on a non-macintosk platform, but they have
to be converted _somehow_, or decoded, or I don' know what.  I also
don't know what I have to do to get the system to recognize them if
I manage to get a type 1 or type 3 out of them, but that's a different
problem....:-)

Please reply via email, I rarely read this group.  A summary will be
provided if there is interest.

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no
Universitetet i Bergen
From: cdr@itexjct.jct.ac.il ( driver research)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Need info on bitstream .BCO fonts
Summary: Need information or source
Keywords: postscript font compressed outline jlaser
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:07:00 GMT
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel

Hello there Y'all.

I received a card called Jlaser that came with a software pkg that uses
some kind of font that has a .BCO name. (Bitstream Compressed Outline)

I need to find a source for this type of fonts for a spanish and hebrew
font. I could also use any information about how to go about creating 
fonts in this format.

pls reply by Email to 

maeir@vms.jct.ac.il


Thanks,

Joshua Maeir
Center for Drivers Research
Jerusalem College of Technology 
Jerusalem, Israel

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: robertk@rkrajewski.lotus.com (Robert Krajewski)
Subject: Font Rendering Performance
Organization: Lotus Development Corporation
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:17:58

Can anyone give an example of two different fonts in the same format
that differ by more than, say, 5 %, in the time it takes to image
a given set of characters ? Or are most fonts equally "complex" ?
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Looking for an editor font editor....
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:00:56 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

saud@seas.gwu.edu (Wanes Saud) writes:

>Hi all:
>	
>	For DOS environment
>	-------------------

>MY BE THIS IS A FQA QUESTION  BUT I DO NOT KNOW ANY THING ABOUT THIS
>	GROUP  So please HELP.

>To develop a FONT what type of editor would you use?

>and
>Is there any good books that guide you to develop application using 
>different Fonts? (for example Develp an editor for differnt language than
>english)


>any help or suggestion are welcomed

>Thanks

To develop a font takes anywhere from a couple of months to a couple of years
depending on the quality you wish to achieve. Making a font is definetely
not learnable from a single book. However, if you should choose to migrate
to the Windows environment, I hear the new CorelDraw 3.0 includes an easy way
to edit Postscript, Truetype or whatever fonts you can make it load.
Ulrich Mayring
volksdesign.

       - Herr Otto Mol fuehlt sich unwohl am Pol ohne Atomstrom -     

>Wanes
From: kehres@ima.com (Tim Kehres)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Asian character fonts/typesetting
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:56:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: International Messaging Associates, Menlo Park, California

In article <1992Jul28.160316.7590@leland.Stanford.EDU> ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle) writes:
> I'd like to hear from anyone who has experience using Asian character
> fonts in a desktop environment. Ideally, we'd like our author to be
> able to type in English in a word processing program, and mix the
> occasional Asian word in Asian characters.  Then we'd like to pour
> this into a page make-up system.  It is a tall order, of course, and
> I've spoken to one software distributor who says it can't yet be done.

I have not directly dealt with this company, but you might try contacting:

	Pacific Rim Connections, Inc.
	1838 El Camino Real, Suite 109
	Burlingame, California  94010
	Tel: (415) 697-0911
	Fax: (415) 697-9439

They seem to represent several companies that deal in software packages
localized for various Asian markets (Japan, China, Korea, India, ...).
In addition to this, I believe that Adobe and Aldus both have at least
Japanese versions of their software available if that helps (you did not
indicate which desktop environment or target character set you are interested
in).

Other than this, since you are local, if you would like to stop by, I have
a file of product literature picked up from the recent Communications
Japan '92 that might be of interest.

Best Regards,

Tim Kehres
(415) 326-6532
From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:59:34 GMT
Reply-To: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester UK

In article <1992Jul22.181047.1@hmcvax.claremont.edu>
dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu writes: 

>Monotype also has their vsion of Sabon available in Type 1 format. This is
>presumably also available at roughly the same price.

>As an aside, Monotype's FoneFonts CD is quite an economical way
>to obtain typefaces. The CD lists for $49, periodic upgrades are
>free or cheap, and fonts can be had for $20/face if you shop
>around making Sabon an $80 proposition. Of course you'll need a
>CD ROM drive, but that's not too difficult either.

That sounds great. What I would like to know is exactly what information is
on the CD for each font. Does it include an AFM file? Is the Type1 font a
pfa file or a pfb or some convoluted mac file? Are there screen font
bitmaps, such as bdf files for use in X windows or mac screen fonts?  And
lastly, what format is the CD in, do you need a specific computer to
attatch the CD reader to or can it be anything?

Chris
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: hardiman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul V Hardiman)
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.181533.1@hmcvax.claremont.edu> dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.185416.626@coli.uni-sb.de>, ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
>> Thanks everybody for answering, I summarize:
> 
>> Sabon is available from Adobe ($89 - limited offer) and Linotype-Hell.
>> There is an Adobe publication "Font and Function" which seems to answer these
>> kinds of questions pretty well.
>
>Only if you want to restrict your universe to Adobe. Monotype has
>a version of Sabon which is not listed in F&F. There is no
>universal typeface directory to the best of my knowledge.
>
>-dh


I have a book called "Homage to the Alphabet A Typeface Sourcebook"
self-described as "1488 full alphabets with one-line indexes arranged
by name and characteristics".  It may not be universal, but its a
start.  ISBN 0-935603-47-6.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley)
Subject: Re: Why does ATM hate "Kathlita"?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:43:40 GMT

In <112266@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE) writes:


>I have the font "Kathlita" from mac.archive.

>Why doesn't ATM like this font?  It looks like crap on screen, especially since
>it only comes with 1 tiny bitmap.  (It looks fine on paper though)

>Also if I remember right, the oldish version of Fontographer I have access to
>won't load it. (?)

A NeXT doesn't like Kathlita either. I got rid of it.
I also got a "Limit check" with a font called DavysOtherDingbats

... Richard
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:15:33 PDT

In article <1992Jul22.185416.626@coli.uni-sb.de>, ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
> Thanks everybody for answering, I summarize:
 
> Sabon is available from Adobe ($89 - limited offer) and Linotype-Hell.
> There is an Adobe publication "Font and Function" which seems to answer these
> kinds of questions pretty well.

Only if you want to restrict your universe to Adobe. Monotype has
a version of Sabon which is not listed in F&F. There is no
universal typeface directory to the best of my knowledge.

-dh
From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: True Type, Adobe, & Sys. 7
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:28:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: owl.bjag-240792103020
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <28237@goofy.Apple.COM>, mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Jul9.231221.25921@a.cs.okstate.edu>, norman@a.cs.okstate.edu (Norman Graham) writes:
> > 
> > Also, ATM is supposed to be rolled into Apple's system software soon (7.1 ?)
> > -- 
> > Norman Graham

>[Type 1 font rendering, not ATM, will be built into System 7.1]

> ATM implies a specific interface, backdoor call set and mode of operation that
> Apple will _not_ be including in the system software.
> 
> QuickDraw GX treats Type 1 fonts just like TrueType fonts -- both are full
> graphic citizens and can be skewed, rotated, manipulated (and a whole lot
> more if line layout tables are included).  It does not support the ATM human
> or programming backdoor interface.

============================================================================
> Matt Deatherage, Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.
> Personal mail only -- please POST technical questions, questions about
> Apple and its policies, where to find documents and related inquiries.
> The opinions I express don't represent Apple, which makes us both happy.
> ===========================================================================

What's the interpretation of this for a non-programmer? What will ATM still
do that System 7.1 Type 1 rendering won't do?

For example, will ATM still be required for attaching text to paths and
creating outlines in Illustrator 3.1?

If so, does Adobe still have it's special offer for ATM ($10 for 4 Garamond
fonts & ATM)? And should I be telling everyone to rush out and buy it?

Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Needed: Scalable musical symbols
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul21.154904.1429W@lumina.edb.tih.no>, ketil@edb.tih.no writes...
>For the MS-Windows environment I need a font containing common musical
>symbols: notes, clefs, accents etc. The font must be scalable (ATM or
>TrueType), and either very cheap or freeware.
> 

The font you want is called Lassus.  It is available through America Online,
or through The Underground Phont Archive.  It is truetype, and either
freeware or very cheap.  I have converted it to windows 3.1 from macintosh
format, but haven't found the time to upload it yet.  I am waiting for
a .zip compression program for the mac, and then I'll be able
to upload it to various IBm ftp sites.  If you are impatient, you can
drop me a line.
______________________________________________________________________________
Jason Osborne | Disclaimer: Who'd listen to me anyway?
______________________________________________________________________________
For information on the Underground Phont Archive, drop me a note via email
______________________________________________________________________________
From: try@support.rci.dk (Torben Rybner)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: MICR Font Available?
Keywords: MICR
Date: 17 Jul 92 09:06:10 GMT
Organization: RC International, Copenhagen, Denmark

stctmkf@st.unocal.com (Marc Furon) writes:

>I would like to know if anyone has the MICR font (such as is used in printing
>checks in the US) available for use with PostScript printers.
>
>[Deleted]

I happen to have created a MICR font (Adobe Type 1: PFB, PFM and AFM), but it
is based on the ECMA (European Computer Manufacturers Association) specification
and may not be compatible with the American specifications - still you might
give it a try. It does not print very well on ordinary laserprinters in sizes
like 18 point and below, due to the many individual lines and spaces in the
characters.

If you are interested, please e-mail me directly (try@cube.icl.dk) and I will
send it as soon as possible (That is in about three weeks, due to my vacation).


Regards

Torben Rybner
ICL DATA A/S
Lautrupbjerg 1
DK-2750  Ballerup
Denmark
try@cube.icl.dk
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.161043.2925@coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich  
Mayring) writes:
    *  Does anybody know if Tschichold's SABON has been converted
    *  to postscript? If yes, where would it be available?
    *  Unfortunately I don't possess an Adobe font catalog, thus
    *  I can't find out myself.  (come to think of it, how much
    *  does Adobe charge for it?)
        
Adobe supply two Sabon font packages, both licensed through
Linotype-Hell A. G.

Package number 88 is $185 and contains Sabon Roman, Sabon Italic,
Sabon Bold, and Sabon Bold Italic.

Package number 197 is also $185 and is Sabon small caps and old
style figures, again in Roman, Italic, Bold, and Bold Italic faces.

RightBrain Software in Palo Alto supply Adobe fonts for the NeXT.

        ........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Subject: Re: Editing DOS Windows 3.1 Fonts?
Reply-To: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul)
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:35:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.154151.15541@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:
>Can anyone tell me how to edit or change the DOS-in-a-386-Window 
>font for Win 3.1? 
>
>I was able to edit the windowed font in 3.0 using ZSoft's PTF
>Bitmap editor, but those fonts do not work in 3.1. I have everything
>in font editing and converting but the SDK: PTF, AllType, FontMonger,
>Corel, SoftType.

It is my understanding that (a) the DOS Window font (Non-Windows-App-Font)
in 3.1 MUST be called "Terminal"; that is probably why your old 
fonts don't work;
(b) In order for the Font-Selection menu in 3.1 to work, several fonts
(.FNT) files called "Terminal" need to be combined to a Font Resource
(.FON), and specified as "woafont=" in system.ini

I have not yet found a convenient way to take apart a Font Resource
into its component .FNT files, however, so there is no convenient way
of editing DOSAPP.FON, the 3.1 default fonts for Non-Windows-Apps.
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From: tfb@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Tim Bradshaw)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Reasons for c-t ligature?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:02:43 GMT
Organization: Not

Many oldstyle typefaces have a c-t ligature.  Does anyone have a
coherent explanation of how this came about?  Clearly the simple
answer is that it was there in mid/late 15th century humanist
handwriting -- The only sample I could find this morning has it anyway
-- but I'd like to know why people used it.  Any way I can write these
two letters makes the ligature very unnatural to produce, so there
must be some deeper reason for it -- or perhaps it's just exuberance?

Interestingly, the original Monotype Bembo (I think, might be
Poliphilus) had an equivalent s-t ligature, which presumably is
a back-formation since people would have used long-s there...

--tim
From: jon@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Jon Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Hope this is the right place......
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:55:32 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

I'd like a little advice from someone who knows these things...

Is it possible to use TrueType fonts (Via AmiPro under Windows 3.1) on a
Hewlett-Packard Deskjet 500?  I can't see any reason why not, but I really
need to know in advance and there's no chance to test the printer before I
get to use it for 2 weeks.....

E-mail would be preferable, please....

ADVthanxANCE

Jon
jon@ccl.umist.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Mac ATM with Type 3 fonts
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:54:56 GMT

proth@northwest.eng.uiowa.edu (Phil Roth) writes:

>I have a Type 3 font ( textual description of a type 3 font, that is )
>and I wish to use it through ATM on a Macintosh.  The ATM manual
>claims ATM will recognize ( but not scale ) type 3 fonts.  I have picked
>apart Type 1 font files, and some Type 3, but have as of yet not found
>a Type 3 font that ATM will recognize.

>My question is: what format( resources and data fork ) does the font
>need to be in for ATM to recognize it?  If anyone has gotten a Type 3
>font to be recognized, please mail ( or post ) the format...

>Close to giving up,
>Phil
>proth@eng.uiowa.edu

   Find someone who has something like FontMonger and convert the Type 3 to 
Type 1. I'm pretty sure FontMonger does it. Lots of other app's also.


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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: saud@seas.gwu.edu (Wanes Saud)
Subject: Looking for an editor font editor....
Originator: saud@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:01:59 GMT

Hi all:
	
	For DOS environment
	-------------------

MY BE THIS IS A FQA QUESTION  BUT I DO NOT KNOW ANY THING ABOUT THIS
	GROUP  So please HELP.

To develop a FONT what type of editor would you use?

and
Is there any good books that guide you to develop application using 
different Fonts? (for example Develp an editor for differnt language than
english)


any help or suggestion are welcomed

Thanks

Wanes
From: walsh@cs.umass.edu (Norman Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Mac->PC (was Re: International Phonetics font)
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:39:22 GMT
Reply-To: walsh@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
In-reply-to: churchh@ut-emx.uucp's message of 22 Jul 92 07:32:06 GMT

>>>>> On 22 Jul 92 07:32:06 GMT, churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard) said:
[text deleted]
|> is available on ftp.cica.indiana.edu.  (If you want to convert the
|> others to IBM format, instructions have previously been posted in this
|> newsgroup as to how to do this with publically-available programs,
|> provided that the Macintosh font is distributed with an .AFM file.)

Just a point of clarification: the requirement that the .AFM file be provided
with the Mac Type1 font has been removed.  It is now possible to perform 
the conversion with only the Mac screen font file and the Mac Type1 file.

                                                               norm
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: babb@ucselx.sdsu.edu (babb j)
Subject: a Mac/SoftKeys question
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:18:44 GMT

A friend of mine bought SoftKeys for his Mac IIcx (running Sys 7). When he
dragged a bunch of the font to the system folder as per instructions, he saw
fonts being written to the system file that don't show up later in font menus
 of numerous programs. Ex: he saw Americo(Bold), and Americo(Italic) being
written to his disk but when he starts up Word they aren't on the menu. Americo
itself is on the menu, AND he can bold it (both screen and laserwriter). Please
confirm that SoftKeys did in fact write a screen font to his disk and that
all fonts with a style in parens after the name are screen fonts and there
is no reason for him to panic. For my information, is this a common way for
font companies to do things?

Also, what program do I use to make my own bitmapped fonts and install them in
the system file (or extensions folder, or wherever).
THANX!!,

-- 
Jeff Babb - Programmer/Technical Support - San Diego State University
Language Acquisition Resource Center (L.A.R.C.) (619)594-4475 
babb@ucsvax.sdsu.edu  
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dmandl@kabbalah.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: What does a fonts "Point Size" really mean?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul13.160731.4631@microware.com> steves@microware.com (Steve Simpson) writes:

   [...]
   If you set a captital letter to 72 pt., the height from the bottom of a descender 
   (which is not present in a capital) to the top of the letter WOULD BE 1 INCH (in some
   faces). 
   [...]

FYI, I know of at least one face with descenders in the capitals: Emigre's Matrix Tall.
Very spooky looking font.


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From: ucaqld@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:40:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul21.161043.2925@coli.uni-s:-1810843245:peg:132600006:000:346
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ucaqld    Jul 22 15:40:00 1992



Yes Sabon is available, but i'm not exactly sure where.

It is definately an Adobe Type 1 Postscript typeface ...
as it is used for the text face in 'publish' a US
Desktp Puublishing mag

Soryy I don't know any thing more helpful

Simon Ravenscroft
Unting Church Communications
Queensland

"It's  all fun and games 'til someone loses an eye!"
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Sabon typeface???
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:54:16 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

Thanks everybody for answering, I summarize:

Sabon is available from Adobe ($89 - limited offer) and Linotype-Hell.
There is an Adobe publication "Font and Function" which seems to answer these
kinds of questions pretty well.

Ulrich Mayring
volksdesign.

     I reject generalizations on principle.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts