HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: norm@modcomp.com (Norm Brake)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to Motorola 88000 chips
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:07:50 GMT

mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.224854.14746@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.121334.2598@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>>>  I recall hearing about Motorola's follow-on to the 68000 series
>>>of CPU's, the 88000 series. It featured (initially) a CPU chip
>>>paired with twin memory managers running as cache's and IP units
>>>or somesuch. Sounded like a fascinating chip set, but it sorta faded
>>>away. Did the RISC revolution kill them off or what?
>>>
>>Motorola's 88K series is totally separate from the 68K.  In fact the 
>>88K is a RISC processor series.  There are 2 or 3 different versions
>>and they are being used as CPUs in some computers.

>In particular Data General sells computers with 88K chips in them (Aviion).
>I can't think of any others off hand, other than the defunct Tektronix
>XD88 workstations.

The MODCOMP REAL/STAR line of real time computers is based on the 88K.
From 1 to 4 of them working together.

>Mark
>-- 
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Norm Brake                                    MODCOMP
(norm@modcomp.com)                            P.O. Box 6099                   
                                              Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33340-6099
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:15029 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:26411
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Thoughts
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:11:40 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: peter@NeoSoft.com's message of 9 Oct 92 12:03:18 GMT
Followup: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

>>>>> On 9 Oct 92 12:03:18 GMT, peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) said:

> In article <1992Oct8.145304.3551@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com writes:
>> If you want to talk about *real* computers, start your own thread.  Do it
>> in another group, though; only Macs, PCs and Amigas are appropriate for
>> rec.humor.

> Amigas are, and always have been, real computers. A real computer is defined
> as any computer shipped with a real operating system: one that manages all
> resources available to the user, including memory, CPU time, disk space, all
> devices, screen real estate, user input, and software resources such as
> drivers, file systems, and libraries.

> Operating systems that force application programs to manage any of these
> resources, such as DOS (everything), Windows (devices, CPU time), MacOS
> (CPU time, user input), or UNIX (libraries, screen real estate), VMS (file
> systems), and so on do not count as real operating systems. You want a real
> operating system, get an Amiga.

And find that if you count memory protection, virtual memory, or resource tracking
as part of managing memory, it doesn't count either. It's nice, but I wouldn't
say it was "more real" than UNIX or VMS.
--
     Alan Braggins, alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com, abraggins@cix.compulink.co.uk
Shape Data - A division of EDS-Scicon Limited.   Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: TI-99/4A Info wanted!
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <0eojuXK00iUzQ2Lqcc@andrew.cmu.edu> Samuel Roy Helwig <sh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.computers: 7-Oct-92 Re: TI-99/4A Info
>wanted! by Jimmy Malcolm Pierce@wha 
>
>>      Well, the story I heard about the TI 99/4 was that certain keyboard
>> sequences would short line-voltage to the keyboard, possibly killing you...
>> Thats why the quick changeover from TI 99/4 to TI 99/4A. Is this true ?
>
>    I had an early TI-99/4A and was issued (along with some long lost
>explanation) a little fused box to plug into the power supply.  I forget
>exactly why TI said they were needed, but they made a big deal about it
>at the time.  Perhaps this is some relation to what Jimmy was talking
>about.

Actually, you had one of the later models.  I had an early TI-99/4A for
which I paid $650 for the base unit.  It was black, and came with a
power supply that plugged directly into the AC outlet.  I also had a
later tan (off white) model that I bought when the price hit bottom($40).
It came with a power supply that sat directly on the floor, and had a line
cord that ran up to the AC outlet.  It came with a fuse box to go between the
line card and the AC outlet.  The reason was that a user could step on the
line cord and separate it from the power supply, causing a short.  The fix
was required for UL certification.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Connection Machine posters 
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:52:01 GMT

eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>Real programmers don't need posters.
>They MAKE their own. Others ask for THEIR posters.
>Silly request.	;^)

Speaking of which - can somebody post a gif or jpeg of the CM-5 poster?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read"
 -- Joshua Heller (heller2@husc.harvard.edu) on rec.humor.funny
From: clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Strange streets (was: Thoughts)
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:17:54 GMT
Organization: IXI Limited, Cambridge, UK

In article <1992Sep29.194956.17456@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
> Metropolitan Toronto also has at least one example of a self-intersecting
> street: I used to know someone who lived on a street shaped like the
> letter P.  The street name was Abbeywood Crescent.  If there's one there
> are probably others.

I have vague memories that Saskatoon (Saskatchewan) has a complex shaped
street that intersects itself several times. It's 16 years since I was
there, though, so I may be mistaken.

-- 
Clive D.W. Feather     | IXI Limited         | If you lie to the compiler,
clive@x.co.uk          | Vision Park         | it will get its revenge.
Phone: +44 223 236 555 | Cambridge   CB4 4RZ |   - Henry Spencer
Fax:   +44 223 236 550 | United Kingdom      |
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:15025 comp.unix.admin:5513
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:22:29 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <W1NRB20H@cc.swarthmore.edu>, hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:

> (4) I heard this from a fellow sysadmin friend.  My friend was forced to
> work with some sysadmins who didn't have their act together.  One day, one
> of them was "cleaning" the filesytem and saw a file called "vmunix" in /.
> "Hmm, this is taking up a lot of space - let's delete it".  "rm /vmunix".
> 
> My friend had to reinstall the entire OS on that machine after his coworker
> did this "cleanup".  Ahh, the hazards of working with sysadmins who really
> shouldn't be sysadmins in the first place.

Hmm. A colleague of mine did much the same by accident on one of
our test machines. After discovering it, fortunately while the machine
was still up & running, he FTPed a copy of /vmunix from the other lab
system (both running exactly the same kernel).

After rebooting his machine everything (to his relief) worked fine.

-- 
Steve McKinty
SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
From: jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph M. Newcomer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:59:57 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.computers: 13-Oct-92 Re: WANTED: Unix
administra.. by Obi Thomas@gumby.ocs.com 
> Now when I partition a disk I sit there with a calculator and make sure
> all the numbers add up correctly (offsets, number of cylinders, number of
> blocks, and so on).

Hey!  Just the job for a computer!  (I wonder sometimes if we have ever
made any progress in this field.  Only a totally brain-dead programmer
would REQUIRE that the sysadmin do this by hand, but I've found that some
of the most important code, such as partitioning code, which SHOULD be
automated, check for sensibility, etc. has been designed and implemented
by high school students on summer jobs, or so it appears)
                                        joe
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: scs@adam.mit.edu (Steve Summit)
Subject: Re: dirty tricks
Organization: none, at the moment
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:31:42 GMT

In article <ALANB.92Oct7125320@sdlhpp13.sdl.mdcbbs.com>,
alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins) writes:
> [somebody else had written:]
>> Under UNIX try putting the following at the start of someone's .profile:
>> echo "No home"; sleep 5; exit
> 
> Wrong group I know, but what is the Unix equivalent of VMS 
> LOGIN/COMMAND=NOTLOGIN.COM ?

     1.	Bang on control-C real fast

     2.	If you have an account on a nearby and trusted host, use
		rsh brokenhost sh -i

This is one thing VMS did right; I'd love to have more login flexibility.

> ObFolklore: You know you've been hacking too long when it takes a while to 
> remember growing out of these kind of tricks... (and of course there isn't
> a lot of scope for screen hacks on a teletype).

I'm not sure whether I remember when I first outgrew them, but I
definitely remember being the clueless old fogey from the glass
tty era pecking away at my single window on an X workstation in a
cluster full of young whippersnappers who were gleefully running
xmelt or xflip or xthisweekslatesthack on my display when I
wasn't looking and not being amused at all.  (I learned about
xrefresh right away; eventually I learned about xlock, which they
didn't know about, and they sat there and pouted since they
couldn't understand why their tricks weren't working.  I don't
think they ever figured out what was going on when I typed

	rsh theirmachine stty erase t \> /dev/theirpty

, either, which I did whenever I caught any of them at it.)

					Steve Summit
					scs@adam.mit.edu
From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What does SPARC stand for?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:53:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: crashnburn

In article <9210081944.AA01167@aitgw.ge.com> HEDDEN@ESDSDF.dnet.ge.com (Jerry D. Hedden) writes:
As the subject says, what does "SPARC" stand for?

/******/
Its Sun-ese for SCaleable Processor ARChitecure (sorry about the spelling).
The SPARC is Sun's RISC processor.

Rick
--
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NOT!
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: fstuart@eng.auburn.edu (Frank Stuart)
Subject: Re: What is RPG ???
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:15:40 GMT

In article <jcmorris.718941088@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>Someone once pointed out that in some quarters, RPG stands for "Role
>Playing Game..."

Or "Rocket Propelled Grenade", but that probably isn't what you had in
mind.  :>


Frank Stuart           |   Slower traffic keep right.  |  Don't Panic
fstuart@eng.auburn.edu |   MMMMMmmmmm lutefisk.        |  Never moon a werewolf
From: jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph M. Newcomer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: reinventing wheels
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:56:26 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

"I don't mind occasionally having to reinvent a wheel; I don't even
mind using someone's reinvented wheel occassionally.  But it helps a
lot if it is symmetric, contains no fewer than ten sides, and has the
axle centered.  I do tire of trapezoidal wheels with offset axles"
                    - Joseph M. Newcomer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Gears. (was Re: The need for an assem)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:38:21 GMT

phillips@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Christopher Phillips) writes:
>But the more 'intelligent' automatics (admittedly very rare at the moment)
>guess whether you are after power or efficiency by the way you are driving.
>So if you slam the accelerator, you get all the 'low-end torque' you could
>possibly want!

I don't know if it's all that rare.  If I stomp the accelerator, my
Taurus will stay in the same gear until I ease up slightly.  I've
taken it up into the yellow zone without it showing any signs of
switching gears.  Add that to a V6 and you have all the instant
acceleration you need for most purposes.
-- 
Everybody talks about reality, but nobody does anything about it.
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What was the intended advantage of using 36bits CPU?
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:09:06 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <14934@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
 > (Followups to "alt.folklore.computers".)
 > 
 > >Besides, what was the advantage at that time of a word length which
 > >was a multiple of 8? There was no agreed upon character coding scheme
 > >of that length (IBM's EBCDIC was 12 bits, CDC used 6 bits, ...)
 > 
 > No, EBCDIC was 8 bits, but I don't think it emerged until the 8-bit-byte
 > 360 did.  I think IBM's BCD used 6 bits;
As has been mentioned already, the IBM 7030 (aka Stretch) was the first using
8-bit character codes.  And CDC used 12-bit bytes (but 6-bit characters).
I have a copy from an article out of CACM from late 1960 or early 1961
(tables are dated October 1960):  R.W.Bemer, Survey of Coded Character
Representation.  It lists the codes of quite a lot of machines.  The 7030
is indeed the only one listed that has an 8-bit code.  Further on this,
that same Bemer (from IBM) has also written a book about the history of
character codes (I think it is called plainly Character Codes) that
describes the history of, mainly, EBCDIC (yes, highly biased).  When I
read it I did not find anywhere support for the claim that EBCDIC
originally was a 12-bit code, as some other respondent mentioned.

It is perhaps also worthwhile to mention that the first ASCII standard (by
ASA, now named ANSI), and the related ISO standard did define both a 7-bit
character standard (as we know it) and a 6-bit character standard.
For those interested, here is that 6-bit code (and from now on use that
form of ASCII please):
		0	1	2	3
	00	Space	0	NUL	P
	01	HT	1	A	Q
	02	LF	2	B	R
	03	VT	3	C	S
	04	FF	4	D	T
	05	CR	5	E	U
	06	SO	6	F	V
	07	SI	7	G	W
	08	(	8	H	X
	09	)	9	I	Y
	10	*	:	J	Z
	11	+	;	K	[ (%)
	12	,	< (%)	L	$ (%)
	13	-	= (%)	M	] (%)
	14	.	> (%)	N	ESC
	15	/	'	O	DEL
%: left free for national use.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
From: wilson@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Bob Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What was the intended advantage of using 36bits CPU?
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:36:08 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>(Followups to "alt.folklore.computers".)

>>Besides, what was the advantage at that time of a word length which
>>was a multiple of 8? There was no agreed upon character coding scheme
>>of that length (IBM's EBCDIC was 12 bits, CDC used 6 bits, ...)

>No, EBCDIC was 8 bits, but I don't think it emerged until the 8-bit-byte
>360 did.  I think IBM's BCD used 6 bits; IBM *punched cards* used 12
>bits, but which IBM machines, if any, stored character strings in
>punched-card code (which doesn't include reading raw punched card code
>into memory and then converting it to BCD for processing)?
I am pretty sure EBCDIC at first WAS 12 bits and later was revised. In
the second matter, though, there were two ways IBM's machines read raw
codes. In the 704, for example, a card came in as an array of (36 bit)
words. The first word was the first 36 hole positions in the top row,
a 1 for a hole and a 0 for no punch. The other words were the other 36 
bit positions, to the right or below: that's why the last 8 columns of
a card weren't readable and why Fortran ignored anything after column
72. Other machines read "columnwise" so a character was entirely in
one word rather than being 1 bit from each of 12 words.
Bob Wilson
wilson@math.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Joel Sumner <js17@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Computer hate slogans
X-Xxdate: Thu, 8 Oct 92 02: 38:39 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: js17@cornell.edu
Organization: Trapped at Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:32:54 GMT

In article <J.Newman.150.718012595@icarus.curtin.edu.au> John Newman,
J.Newman@icarus.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Some collected jottings from a bunch of disgruntled
>computer users:
>
>(Feel free to add to list.)

Never forget:

Nothing Sucks Like a VAX...


(I am still looking for one of those pins to send to a friend of mine...)
From: bqt@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: wanted: unused pdp-8?
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:17:25 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In <19929.4624.19475@dosgate> "scott gregory" <scott.gregory@canrem.com> writes:

><<<Zcookbruc> said to All> on 10-07-92>

>ZC>You also might try to find a DECmate - This is a single chip PDP-8.
>ZC>Don't know if that's what you're looking for but I know a source of
>ZC>these without keyboards - Just supply your own LK201, and it's running.

>Just got me one of those...  Know where to get software for it?

DECUS has a lot of stuff you might want. I think much of it also is
available by anon. ftp from ftp.telebit.com in /pub/pdp8, but
you can check that on eout yourself. Also, I think some people
reading news might be able to help you. I'd also suggest that you
subscribe to pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu.
(And this is also directed to anybode else interested in vintage dec
computers, not just the pdp8...)
--
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
CS student at Uppsala University  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se       ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Oldest ARPAnet messages?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:28:25 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

I believe the first user of the ARPAnet was Charlie Kline
at UCLA.  He lives in Sherman Oaks, CA (area code 818).

Dave
-- 
	Truth is an evaluation of a statement within a context.
From: regebro@stacken.kth.se (Lennart Regebro)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Got some help with the LMI.
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:44:21 GMT
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden

Thanks again to those who gave me hints on how to get the LMI Lambda working.
It is now talking to us, althogh it does not feel very well yet.

Now we have to set up the CMOS Configuration RAM, since the information had 
been lost. Any hints on that is appriciated, since the manuals best hint is
to read a file which we don't have. Otherwise it seems like the disk is
working, The tape drive is definitely working, we even managed to run tar (we 
think). :-)

And we also still need info on the video cables and the mice. Thought We have
received some hints there too.

Things are looking quite good!

---
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: clc@gloin.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason)
Subject: Re: Not really Re: Total erasure of hard drive data??
Organization: Holy Church of the Llama
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:44:55 GMT

In article <7524@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
>In article <aldavi01.718662098@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis) writes:
> > Yes, but the GNU hello-world can read mail, news, can fake mail, can print
>But why read news with the GNU hello-world program if it goes just as well
>with:
>	yes ' ' | rn
>?  (Are there other uses for the infamous yes program?)

The only good one is to:

		y > erotica.gif

Into whatever directory you can find that's open.  Then background, log out,
and do some serious quota smashing.

					Christian


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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:07:10 -0400 
From: "Joseph M. Newcomer" <jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What was the intended advantage of using 36bits CPU?

Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.computers: 14-Oct-92 Re: What was the
intended a.. by Rich Greenberg@hatch.soc 
> The applications area was converting an EAM system to the computer.
> As part of the conversion, they needed to read the current master
> file (trays and trays of cards) onto tape.  This didn't work,
> and some investigation showed that some small percentage of the
> cards had "extra" punchs in them at random places.  This hadn't
> bothered the EAM equipment, but  gave read checks on the IBM 2540
> reader/punch.

Ahh, yes.  We had to convert something, I forget what, from some EDP 
system, I think a manual card-sort system, which was full of invalid
codes.  It seems that they ran out of columns on the 80-column card so
just started punching booleans in as random holes in certain columns
that were otherwise not needed, e.g., it was originall "blank or 1" but
now it could be "blank or 1" meaning one thing but rows 2,3,4,etc. now
represented binary conditions.  The idea was that you disabled selection
on the card sorter by switching off recognition of those rows when sorting
(there were twelve sliders arranged radially inside the recognition drum
of the sorter, and if you slid one towards the center of the drum it would
not see that row as the card went by).  For some reason our 1442 card reader
had column-binary, reading each character into, as I recall, two adjacent
characters.  What was weird about this feature was that it could intermix
binary and image modes.  So I got to program it up, and then translate
the funnycolumns into sensible blank/nonblank characters in the disk record.
We successfully convinced them that they never again needed to see these
cards, and we quoted them some outrageous price for punching out cards in
this format (I think it was because we had to get the card image feature
on our 1444 card punch, and that was BIG bucks).

Image card formats were used to read object decks into 709x computers, but
the /360 used only one column per byte and used only 256 of the possible
2**12 column codes.  I remember having to patch a /360 boot deck the
hard way.
                            joe
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA