HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: weber@hale.ifa.hawaii.edu (Mark Weber)
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:30:18 GMT

    Also present... 

- - - 
 Mark Weber  weber@uhifa.ifa.hawaii.edu
    Who claims authorship of the universally misatributed phrase: 
       'Wherever you go - There you are.'  Launched Cairo '76 , Singapore '78
       (Buckaroo B. et al can get their own sig.)

 
--
- - - 
 Mark Weber  weber@uhifa.ifa.hawaii.edu
    Who claims authorship of the universally misatributed phrase: 
       'Wherever you go - There you are.'  Launched Cairo '76 , Singapore '78
From: ziemniak@cl-next4.msu.edu (Terrence Ziemniak)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Roll Call!
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:00:54 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University


i think i am up for a little of this action. 
(but then again i also thought chicks were impressed with guys who wear
paisley)

pteri     < lost in a world he never created >   
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From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Roll Call!
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:50:02 GMT

Greetings!  I have no idea what this group is [got news less than 24 hours
ago], but I'm here.  I thought the name sounded like it had possibilites.

-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
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From: siemerin@cs.utwente.nl (Ben Siemerink)
Subject: Marketing Director
Keywords: marketing, directory, bla bla
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:08:07 GMT

Emily Freeman wrote:

> ... [whole lot of bla bla deleted] ...
> ---------------------------------AIESEC   RMIT----------------------------------
>                                                                       
> Emily Freeman		Exchange Marketing Director           ph. 660 3458

If you're writing so much nonsense, how can you be a marketing director?


Me wondering, though I thought I knew where my towel is.


Maybe you can write an artical about "How to get marketing director, while not
being qualified for the job."


Ben, student.
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: ANG - Library Theft
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:27:04 GMT

ROTFLOL!

That was GREAT!

<very, very quiet applause>  ...who knows where them ol' librarians are lurking.

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From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: ADMIN:  Article Format Guidelines
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:44:20 GMT

Article 560 of alt.galactic-guide:
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From: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Roll Call!
Originator: kmludvic@c00392-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:13:35 GMT


I'm new but I'm Here!!!
From: megazone@granite.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:32:48 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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You've left your pain behind, moved off of this world.

Merry part Dave, rest well.

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From: tb2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Timothy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:18:38 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak6.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <16873F798.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <9227603.5737@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
>fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
>>OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?
>   Gosh, does it count if you take anyone with you?
>  Seems to me the most expensive would be to trigger a nuclear world war,
>and make sure you're out there at ground zero of one of the target cities.
>Hey! Let's go!
>e.k.

Mmm, if you accidentally take someone with you, that's possibly OK, but
a whole cit[y|ies]?  That would be irresposible.  Anyway, it may be
possible to manage this at no cost to your person - but at great expense
to everyone else.  (This may not therefore be the most PERSONALLY expensive
method).

Not that I disapprove of ending it that way.  It may be though that this
method don't quite adhere to the rules.

Oh, you could hire some terrorists to steal the fuel, build the bomb, and
place it for you.  That would cost you quite a bit (so I'm told).  You'll
have to pay cash up front though!  I mean if you died in the ensuing war
they won't be very pleased with you!!  

But odds are they won't be very much of anything anyway... like the rest
of us.

Tim B.


PS Kali, wheres my owl?

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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Elizabeth Kupfer)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: hi again
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:41:46 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN) writes:


>Whats been happening ?
>Who else is back on ASH ? All the old regulars I hope,

  'ullo.  
 The groups's been awfully quiet lately, Khare, so i'm not sure who's still
listening.  Not much different to report; the usual spate of novelty suicides
, some poems, and alot of "my pain's bigger than yours".  There was also a
some odd person from California who claims to want to watch someone commit
suicide, which apparently got Psycho Kitten's goat.  I suspect that was his
real objective.  Grand to have you back.

--
elizabeth kupfer, euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Hemlock Milkshakes for everyone...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.095539.2916@wkuvx1.bitnet>, traveja@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mathmagician/Fizix Geek) writes:
>I have been very down for the past week, and I haven't been able to
>read any posts. I suspect I may be asking a dreadfully terrible
>question, but will someone tell me about the situation with David.
>I can see that several people are upset, and I am assuming that David
>killed himself. Is this true?  

According to somebody else at the same place, it's true.  Here's his goodbye
article.

In article <conibear.717873559@cunews>, conibear@sol.carleton.ca writes:
>Hey, fellow ASHers!  Listen up, because this is the closest thing to
>A Note that I'm going to write.
>
>After a lot of research and a lot more thought, I've gone with the KCN
>dissolved in cold water.  I'm not quite sure about the volume of 1.5g
>of KCN, so I'm erring on the high side.  Yes, I know I'm subject to
>"throat irritation" if I do that... sometimes, ya just gotta live on
>the edge.  :)
>
>I'm expecting unconsciousness after about 1 minute.  I've skipped all
>meals for the past 24 hours to make sure I've got a nice acidic
>stomach (HCl + KCN -> KCl + HCN(g), I hope), and when my stomach
>started rumbling embarrassingly, I quaffed a grapefruit juice (most
>acidic thing I could think of offhand).
>
>I'll be going with the "plastic bag and rubber band" backup system...
>a nice big garbage bag, so I won't be uncomfortable for that minute of
>consciousness.
>
>The computer is programmed to wait 36 hours and then phone 911, to
>prevent any of my friends discovering the body.  This news message is
>also on a delay timer, just in case there are any closet
>interventionists lurking.

[But it certainly wasn't a 36 hour timer.  I fingered him half an hour after
the article was posted and found he'd logged in a mere 4 hours earlier.  I
tried again 5 days later, and he hasn't been on since.]

>If this DOESN'T work, I'll try to get someone to post that tidbit to
>a.s.h. so none of you ends up making the same mistake.
>
>Oh, a final note... in case the group gets any flak about this, let it
>be known that a.s.h. was not a promoting cause in my suicide.  Had it
>not been for this group, my best plan to date was to get pissed drunk
>and dive off the roof of my apartment building (yes, I have a key).  I
>think this is cleaner all 'round.
>
>Have a nice life!
>
>Dave

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I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:12:25 GMT

In article <jpl.718062324@keiko>, jpl@doe.carleton.ca (Jeff P. Lariviere) writes:
>Dave was serious.  He went through with it.  Take a lesson from the grief he's
>caused his friends and family.

We don't know his friends and family (are you a friend?) or what kind of
grief they feel.   His posting expressed his intentions, but it did not give
his reasons.  I'm sure he had them.  Personal pain that will be ended by
suicide must be weighed against the pain you inflict on those you care about
by doing it.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Subject: theme song?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:08:26 GMT


Does this group have a theme song? 
Hope this cheers someone up.

(Goin) on a suicide holiday
I Got-ta find a better way,
To kill the time of day
I'm Gonna reach a higher plain.

If you come I will meet you there
If you don't go you'll go nowhere,
Don't wonder why the people stare
I hope you're got-ta meet me there.

Look around for a brighter day
If things are drab just move away
And if you're going go to stay
Come on a suicide holiday.


...Well one of us feels better...

S. R. Williams
From: xine@wpi.WPI.EDU (a poor excuse for a red m+m)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Old fogeys
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:58:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct6.204904.20077@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>In article <1aps62INNs3q@bigboote.WPI.EDU> i wrote:
>>	wasted what he had].  in the course of the paper, i found a study
>>	that said people with borderline personality disorder (mike/fmeyer
>>	fit the profile perfectly) along with a major depression (yep) were
>>	50 TIMES more likely to kill themselves than a 'normal' person.  so
>>	now i don't feel guilty, and i realize that i-- we-- did all i/we 
>>	could for him.
>>							--xine
>
>    Is it possible you could post a reference to this study.  I'd be quite
>interested in seeing what the definition of a 'borderline personality
>disorder' is.

	"Suicide in Borderline and Other Adolescents." Michael Stone, 
	University of Chicago, 1989.  
	BPD (this is in laymen's terms, of course) makes someone unhappy, 
	and they are only content when sharing (read: pushing off on) 
	their misery with someone else.  they are really emotionally 
	unstable, and will 'suck dry emotionally' (words of an adolescent 
	psychiatric nurse) anyone who cares about them.  they end up 
	relieving their misery by making someone else miserable, by 
	dragging them down.
	everyone, of course, feels the need to share their misery with 
	someone, but BPD's need to bring someone down to be content.
	make any sense?
	if you would really like a copy of it, i could mail it to anyone,
	or, if your library has UnCover, go there and get yer own fax
	(what i did).
						--xine


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 06:06:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.181225.3285@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org
(Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <jpl.718062324@keiko>, jpl@doe.carleton.ca (Jeff P. Lariviere)
>writes:
>>Dave was serious.  He went through with it.  Take a lesson from the grief
>>he's caused his friends and family.
>We don't know his friends and family (are you a friend?) or what kind of
>grief they feel.   His posting expressed his intentions, but it did not give
>his reasons.  I'm sure he had them.  Personal pain that will be ended by
>suicide must be weighed against the pain you inflict on those you care about
>by doing it.
>...

That's essentially the key.

People often either (1) overlook the personal pain that led to the suicide
or (2) pretend to really know the pain and advice against suicide.  With
regards to #2, no one can really know another person's pain to be able
to judge whether that pain is bearable or not.  In order to know another
person's pain, you must have lived his life, but you didn't.  Only he has
lived his life, you haven't.

I wish Dave the best of luck, and I hope that he has found the peace that
he could not find among us.

The world isn't fair; we just have to accept it as it is.

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:02:18 GMT

In article <conibear.717873559@cunews>, conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear) writes:
>The computer is programmed to wait 36 hours and then phone 911, to
>prevent any of my friends discovering the body.  This news message is
>also on a delay timer, just in case there are any closet
>interventionists lurking.

Seems like he's telling the truth -- about the delayed posting, at least. 
Finger says he's definitely not logged in now (30 minutes after the time on
the post); his last login was four hours ago.  I'll have to try again in a 
few days to see if he chickened out (or was putting us on).

>If this DOESN'T work, I'll try to get someone to post that tidbit to
>a.s.h. so none of you ends up making the same mistake.

If it doesn't work, perhaps *you* could post.  Unless you turned yourself
into a veggie, that is.

>Have a nice life!

Thanks.  Have a nice afterlife, if there is one.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: jaffray@beirut.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 6 Oct 1992 04:12:59 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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cynthia@mardi.East.Sun.COM writes:
> dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
>> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>>    ... life's just
>>    too oppressive now.  Reading Conibear's post didn't help either... 
 
>> I'm just glad that someone else was distrubed by that post.  Most of
>> the responses (other than those calling it a hoax, which I can only
>> hope is true) seemed to be lightheartedly supportive.  I can
>> understand that reacation, kind of like the Code of the ASHers, or
>> some such thing, but I was wondering if I was the only one to be
>> bothered by it.

>You're not the only one. I guess I just expected more people to react,
>however they chose, but at least to react one way or another. [...]
>I guess it just disturbs me to think that
>someone else had been so lonely and depressed that they reached that point,
>a point I and others out there have faced in our own individual ways, it scares
>me to remember how close I really was, so terrifyingly close that it will always
>be with me.

When I first saw the post I didn't really react too strongly to it...
after all, it might be a hoax, certainly the tone of the writing made
that a possibility, and it's happened before...

But it does sort of disturb me when I think about it.  I mean, from the
article you can clearly see that this was a person who still had a strong
sense of humor, and wasn't too distressed to not be able to make rather
intricate plans, and yet he still became *so* depressed as to decide that
life wasn't worth living.  It bothers me in two ways, first in that he
probably appeared in good spirits to others, his acquaintances might well
have never seen it coming, it's an example of how we might not really
have a clue about those we think we know best... second since although
I've never been really suicidal, I have been very depressed at times,
and I've been using my sense of humor to try to change my viewpoint and
prevent it from happening again, and perhaps that may not be enough...
it didn't work for Dave...  Maybe it's just too superficial.

Anyway, hope he's found peace, or whatever...

-- Alan






There really isn't a right or a wrong reaction, including not
>knowing how to react at all, but to me, it makes me remember, and I truly hope
>that now Conibear is where he wants to be.  It is a fine line that separates 
>the courage to take that so very final step versus the courage to stick out
>this existence just a little longer, neither is a simple or easy choice.
>
>Just my thoughts, as best I can put them into words, as well I am flaming no one.
>
>
>Hazel
From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: theme song?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:55:59 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <jgs1.717860098@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland) writes:
>  The theme song for the group is "Fade to Black" by Metallica.
>  I am sure no one who reads this group knows that since I am the only
>  one left since the group was created years ago.
>  But, that is it.  our theme song.

From the haze of memoery I faintly recall that from discussions years ago.

BTW, when exactly was a.s.h created? I joined on in Sept. 89.

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:12:24 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark


	Just the sound of my head hitting the desk during a coughing
	fit...

	*ug*  What wonderful timing... I always get ill right before
	I realized I have to cram for exams that I've forgotten...

	*COUGH*hack*wheeze*  I wish I knew all the exam dates... =P


-- 

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:28:22 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark


	Just my heart pounding in anticipation...

	I have to wait until around 10pm tonight to get further bad news
from my SO about his work situation... and fin. aid. is still screwing  
with me, so it'll be mid Nov. at best before I get any cash from them...
(if ever).  Oh joy... could someone just shoot me now???

	Maybe I'll make some hemlock milkshakes as a treat for my SO and
myself this weekend...        

	Anyone hear anything about Conibear???	

	Psycho kitten (ripping her nerves to shreads...)



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From: tb2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Timothy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Falling ...
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:36:49 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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In article <1992Oct4.201256.29941@bradford.ac.uk> R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN) writes:
>Don't know if anyone heard on the news but a couple of days ago a first
>year here at Bradford University "fell" from the top of one of the 
>university buildings - a fall of 12 storeys. We don't yet know why
>it happened but it was during the day (ie no alcohol ?) and a first
>year shouldn't have been up there anyway.

A first year?  I hate to say this but Bradford must be incredibly depressing
to cause someone to do that in the FIRST WEEK. :-}

>  When I heard the news I was dumbstruck as 2 weeks before the end
>of last term (3 months ago) I nearly jumped from the same place.
>So I would be dead now too.

At least you know it would have worked.  I mean had you actually tried to
slit your wrists then, or something similarly effective, then you would
still be alive, but feeling rather silly (all be it relieved).

>Anyway, the moral of this story (from my humble point of view) is
>that DON'T use suicide as a way out (MY OPINION ONLY !@!) as it

Er, what should you use suicide for then?

>will (probably) be ok some time in the future. I'm ok now and
>happy to be alive.


Tim B.
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Question
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:40:48 GMT

Now that I'm in a better mood -the kidney stone attack I thought I was
having turned out to be a stomach virus- (as an aside, if you've never
had a kidney stone attack, you don't know the meaning of pain... then
again on this board you never know :@) I have a question.

Why holiday?  Does this have something to do with depression around
Christmas or something.  (I'm sorry if this has already been argued to
death (no pun intended).  I just was curious.  I do think that ash
sounds cooler than as...)
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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