From: drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr)
Subject: Re: ignorance
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:51:05 GMT


In article <1iki4uINNfd3@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Monte Olsen
<olsenm@ucs.orst.edu> writes:
>Actually, Dave, I hope you don't shutup.

Then why did you say it in the first place?

>Mainly because you continue to remind of the people who got in my face
>when I made the mistake of wearing my uniform when I first hit SF airport
>after getting back from Nam. That is something I choose never to forget.

Have I ever harassed anyone in this newsgroup because they were a Vietnam
Vet?  No.  Have I called anyone any names?  No.

Have I expressed any opinions you don't agree with?  Yes.  And that is part
of what USENET is for.

>BTW, I was called a baby killer before. Your use of the term here is cute
>but it doesn't anger me anymore.

And if you read the entire text of what I wrote:

	Now if I were to post an equally cowardly and puerile insult, such
	as:

		Not that I would EVER suggest that there are Killers of
		Vietnamese Babies in our midst.

	as a hateful indirect reference to the VN Vets who read this
	newsgroup, would you "take umbrage" at that?  (I am only putting
	this forth as an example, and do *not* mean it to be taken
	seriously at all.)

you would see very clearly that this was intended as a strong example of
why drieux's trash pisses me off (this time, it was an insinuation that I
am a "historical revisionist"), NOT an insult against the Vets who read
this group.

>By calling someone's words cowardly and puerile, you are, in my opinion,
>calling them the same thing.

In my opinion, insults, name-calling, unfounded accusations, and complete
misquotation have no place on USENET.  If people do this to me (as drieux
has done repeatedly), I will point it out in terms which describe the
nature of the attack against me.

>Drieux, to the best of my knowledge, has never responded in kind to you.

Your memory has failed you.  This is a typical drieuxism, from a thread a
while ago:

	You are NOT upset that I call You a
	LimpWristedPinkoStoogeOfTheInternationalCommunistConspiracy

It is just one in a long line of insinuations, misquotations, and outright
insults.

>You've chosen a focused set of references that support your point of view
>and have continued to cite them ad nauseum.

What "focused set of references" is this?  Don't throw out vague bullshit
accusations like Larry Jewell has been doing.

>I am absolutely convinced there are American veterans in SE Asia, my
>brothers, who need to come home. I will never give up on them

Fine, believe what you want. I don't believe this, and I've already said
why.  Why don't you do the same?

>I refer you to an article that was carried on the national wire only three
>days ago detailing exactly what Tricky Dick did (or perhaps it would be
>better to say didn't do) when he closed out our involvement in the war.

Are you talking about the apparent cover-up of evidence in 1973 (as the US
withdrew) that there were still MIA/POW's left in Laos (and possibly
Vietnam)?  (Some of this came out during the recent hearings in
Washington.)

If so, then yes, I've heard of it.  And yes, there's good reason to believe
POW's were left behind (in Laos, at least) when the US withdrew.  But of
course that was 20 years ago.  Doesn't say much about whether these men are
still alive. And as I recall, there wasn't much evidence in the case of
Vietnam, which is the only country I have been talking about.

>Larry, thanks for your comments.

Good move, Monte.  Congratulate Larry for spewing out a torrent of insults,
curses, and misquotations of my postings.  Way to keep the flame-war going.
(Yes this is sarcasm.)
-- 
Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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