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From: lancer@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: new order live
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:36:41 GMT
	<1992Aug18.122022.5961@cs.tcd.ie>
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
X-Cheese-Type: Muenster


>>>>> "droe" == David Roe <droe@cs.tcd.ie> writes:
droe> I remember some interview where Steve and Gillian said they had yet
droe> to see Barney do a live show without being at least halfway pissed
droe> before it begins, and near collapse near the end.

Check out the Pumped Full of Drugs vid, too.  Barney's guitar is completely
mixed out and he has trouble hearing it on the monitors too.  Boy does he
get pissed...  He practically blows a vein in his neck emphasizing "I found
myself forgotten too" in Way of Life, introduces songs saying things like
"now here's something else you don't know" and "this ones called pumped
full of drugs" and scolds the audience for applauding the sequencer.  He
hammers so hard on the guitar trying to get some noise out of it, he keeps
breaking picks and says to the audience "this is costing me an awful lot of
money on guitar picks, so I wish you'd applaud louder".  The thing is, it's
in Tokyo, so most of the audience probably missed these comments, not
understanding his Manchester-tinged English...

Though I saw one concert where they weren't pissed...  On the substance
tour in Connecticut, a friend of mine started singing "Happy birthday,
Ian", since it was a couple of days from Ian Curtises birthday.  The band
just stood there for a few minutes looking happy and sad at the same time,
and then played a virtuoso performance without so much as a swear or a gulp
of beer on stage!

Generally, though, Barney gets pissed, Steve & Gillian get annoyed at
Barney, and Peter ignores them all.  At least thats what it looks like on
stage every time I've seen them...

.s.

BTW:  anyone want to trade NO/JD/other boots?  I've got some...  Drop me
some email if you do...
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From: Bo Orloff <bo@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:01 PDT
Subject: Re: Techno TMBG?
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dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Pat Rourke) writes:


> On the TV the other day I heard a techno version of "The
> Guitar" (the second single, in Australia anyway, from They
> Might Be Giants' Apollo 18). I've bought the CD single,
> looking for this version, but it is neither of the mixes on
> the disc. Can anyone help me locate it? - I think it runs at
> least six minutes.

There are 2 techno mixes of "The Guitar", both done by Coldcut-
"The Outer Planet Mix" and "The Even Further Outer Planet Mix"-
both are available on the U.S. CD single of "The Guitar" (along
with 3 non-album b-sides, "Moving To The Sun", "I Blame You" and
"Welcome To The Jungle"). The cd-single you bought is the ex-US
version. If you can't find the US version in OZ, you can mail order
it direct from TMBG's catalog for $6.50 (US $) + shipping & handling.
(For overseas orders up to $30 in values, the shipping charge would be
$9). The address is:
                     TMB Productions
                     Dept. PPFNP
                     PO Box 110553-i
                     Williamsburg Station
                     Brooklyn, NY 11211-0003
                     USA


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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion - personnel 
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:32:27 GMT

gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland) writes:

>Can anyone tell me if there any other Bad Religion albums apart from
>the following:
> 
>        Suffer
>        No Control
>        Against the Grain
>        Generator
>        80-85

Well, there's _How Could Hell Be Any Worse?_ and _Into The Unknown_, and
the "Back To The Known" EP, but _80-85_ makes them redundant. (I'm not
sure if they're available in Britain, anyway...)

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From: asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: REM sound-alike?  I don't think so!
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:07:43 GMT

In article <BsuAtI.2Dy@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>
>"Driver 8"?  Never heard of it.  I gave up on them after Radio Free Europe.
>


Oh no. Is this going to start one of those "I'm so cool that I hated a
band before they were even popular" threads? Sheesh.

Alan
From:  (Lisa Nixon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: The Cure In Brisbane
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:28:19 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: NTU

Could someone let me know how the show was in Brisbane.  I'm supposed to be
there but it's a bit far to go for a weekend from Darwin.

Thanks!

Lisa
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From: hudson@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (David Hudson)
Subject: Re: Feelies info ===>> Read it!
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:02:29 PDT

In article <1992Aug13.133414.5674@infonode.ingr.com> james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James) writes:

[Deleted Text]    

>
>I've put together a Feelies discography that I can post if anyone is
>interested.
>

I am very interested in a discography and any information of where I
can get the Yung Wu and the Trypes stuff.

					Dave


From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:19:00 GMT
Subject: Re: INDIE NET - Debate
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative


   Isn't this just the sort of argument everybody said was going
 to happen when alt.music.alternative was being debated?

	arf - "Independent of what? Talent?"
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From: rmm@dinsdale.ipac.caltech.edu (Mike Melnyk)
Subject: Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:00:49 GMT

> ...The thing that
> I like Morrissey is that he does read poetry and reads the works of
> authors like Oscar Wilde. I don't know if the fans are into it though.

Upon reading this I am reminded of one of my favorite Oscar Wilde
quotes: 

    "The first duty in life is to assume a pose. What the second is,
no one has yet discovered."

No wonder Morrissey admires Oscar Wilde so much.

Sincerely,


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From: dangaio@cats.ucsc.edu (The One Who Must Be Kept)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: The Cure - live at wembley - 24th of july, 1989
Date: 22 Aug 1992 16:32:26 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 I have bootlegs of of the concert at wembley, from july 24th 1989....
it just fits on 2 100 minute tapes.. and the sound is pretty good... since
the copies were made from being plugged into the sound system.. but anyway,
they have had a lot of the noise and shit in between songs editted out, so it
is pretty 'clean'. i was wondering what these are worth...

any ideas?
From: kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Kevin Y. Kawado)
Subject: Re: Smiths releases
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: kkawado@ics.uci.edu (Kevin Y. Kawado)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:49:19 GMT

Greetings.

In article <1992Aug13.173732.24639@news2.cis.umn.edu> nock@tera.cs.umn.edu (Clifton M. Nock) writes:
>I hear that there will be some Smiths releases on August 25.  Namely,
>
>- a "Best of" the Smiths album
>- This Charming Man cd single
>- Morrissey "Tomorrow" cd single
>
>Can anyone confirm this?  Does anybody know track listings?

The "Best of the Smiths, Volume One" will be released on August 25th.
Don't ask what "volume one" means cuz it's highly unlikely "volume two"
will ever be released :-).  I was having an amusing discussion with a
record store owner about this.  It's probably another marketting ploy
by WEA to make more money off of the Smiths.  I suppose WEA will also
want to re-re-release the Smiths singles again on CD format with some
kind of special packaging ploy or limited edition crap (ie. see "This
Charming Man" section below).  Granted, however, the "This Charming Man"
has songs that weren't readily available on CD format prior to this
release.

The "This Charming Man" single is already out (rather sold out).  It's a
two CD set which features on one disk all seven different versions of
"This Charming Man" and on the second disk, the various B-sides of the
single...if I remember correctly: Jeane, Wonderful Woman and Handsome Devil.
If you can get this, I strongly suggest doing so very soon.  BTW, this is
by WEA and (as far as I know) only available from the UK.

As for "Tomorrow", I've heard it will be out at the end of the month, so
August 25th is probably a good guess.

=K=
Kevin Kawado
From: scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: TMBG Tee-shirts
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:30:34 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Samuel Castro) writes:

>From article <9222715.29698@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by adamw@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Adam Douglas WEISSER):
>> Where can I get my hands on a They Might Be Giants Tee-shirt or underpants or
>> anything??! I'd love to show everyone what awesome taste in music I have...
>> 
>> 		Ads
>> 
>> 

>I would also like to get my grubby little hands on TMBG items.
>I have searched the earth relentlessly to find these items, to no avail.

well guys, you might try just going to one of their concerts - that's
pretty easy.

- Lou
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From: steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.config,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Ravers don't want techno newsgroup
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:49:55 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

I simlpy don't think another group is necessary but if it must happen,
let it be REC.music.techno rather than ALT.music.techno.  If it's worth
doing, it's worth doing right.
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From: martin@specialix.co.uk (Martin)
Subject: Re: live version "the forest" (was cure thread)
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09:07:47 GMT

tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy) writes:

>    Not only this, but they also have a brand new concert video (called "Play
>Out" I believe) coming out any day now that's a video recording of their
>Detroit Silverdome show during their Wish tour.  This has in it, like all their
>other shows on this tour did, the 15-17 minute (!) version of "A Forest" as    
>the final encore song of the concert.

BZZT!  Wrong.

Play Out was filmed in early 1991, for their appearance at the Brits Awards
in London and the warm up gig at the Town and Country Club 2.  Plus other junk
like Unplugged.

One of the shows from the Wish US tour will be released, but it's not Play Out,
and I can't see it coming out for a couple of months yet.

Martin
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From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Matthew Sweet
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:11:17 GMT
Organization: Space CUDets Int'l

In the referenced article, woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>In article <6+_ncm+.cass@netcom.com> cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher) writes:
>>allie@sequent.com (Alexandra Krull) writes:
>>
>>>I am trying to find out all of Matthew Sweet's albums,
>>Album Title - _Inside_  
>>Album Title - _Earth_
>>Album Title - _Girlfriend_
>
>Also, Matthew Sweet was in a band called Oh OK with Michael (REM)
>Stipe's sisters that released an EP "Furthermore What" which was
>produced by Mitch (Let's Active) Easter.

Matthew Sweet also sang on at least one Golden Palominoes record.

Does anybody have a full discography for Matthew Sweet.  If so, please
submit it to rec.music.info or Dave Datta's Discography Database (at
cs.uwp.edu).  Thanks,

	-- John
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From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Subject: Re: Feelies info ===>> Read it!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
 Re: the new band with Stan Demeski and people from Chills/Galaxie:
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:45:20 GMT


The band is Luna, there's a CD or CD-EP or something coming out on some major-- I think Elektra-- and they've already done a single, sometimes labeled "Dean Wareham," on  No. 6 records.  It's got a bright yellow sleeve and two OK songs, and Stanley Demeski does not play drums on it.  The guy from G500 is, obviously by now, Dean Wareham, who plays guitar.  The guy from the Chills is Justin Harwood, who plays bass.  There's a very long, very interesting interview with 
Dean W and Justin H (but not Stanley D) in a zine called Non-Stop Diatribe, 
which is I think available from Parasol, Cargo, and other indie-rock mail-
order venues, though not Ajax. It's worth reading and also includes a 
complete Go-Betweens discography and a Hamish Kilgour interview.

steve burt from WHRB
ben@athena.mit.edu
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:56:52 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Aug16.230036.17611@Princeton.EDU> jcgoh@hop.Princeton.EDU (Justin C. Goh) writes:
>
>That's pretty funny.  I pose to you this scenario:  you have a band
>and you are offered a deal with a major label.  By contract, they
>agree to put out your next two albums and you have complete artistic
>control - in other words, you can still make music the way you want
>to.  Obviously, you have a chance to make more money.  Would you
>say "Well, I don't want to sell out.  I happen to like trying to 
>eke out a living day-by-day.  I don't need your money so go away."  
>Come on, get realistic.  I find absolutely nothing wrong with a band 
>trying to feed themselves. As long as a band doesn't compromise 
>themselves artistically, I don't see anything wrong with them being 
>on a major.  
>
>as good a living as possible?  So all of you should get off your
>high horses and stop being hypocrites.  Stop subjecting bands to
>standards which you yourself do not follow.
>
  [ Stuff deleted]

Do you actually have the numbers that bands on these labels make?
While some of them may make more on major labels, most of them
are too radical to be accepted by major labels, and if they were
they'd have to tone down their sound or message (as many bands have done
to make the majors happy).  

Face it!  The only bands that get artistic control at major labels
are ones that have already proven themselves commercially.  A band
with a radical sound or message isn't likely to be successful 
commercially in these conservative times. 

>And as for Fugazi, I think the reason they are still "on" Dischord
>has more to do with the fact that Ian OWNS Dischord than a commitment
>to staying on a label just because it's independent.
>

This rather nullifies your previous point that bands can't make
money on independent labels.  Here's what you say, "you people
are fools to expect bands to starve to stay independent"  Then
you go on to suggest that Fugazi is a band that is making it
only because a band member owns an independent label  nonetheless
they are making it (money that is) and they are on an 
independent label, thus you nullify your own point.
From: scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: what is SHONEN KNIFE
Summary: what is SHONEN KNIFE?
Keywords: SHONEN KNIFE
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:52:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Anybody know anything about this band from japan called Shonen Knife?

What do they sound like, for instance?

Thanks,


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From: vjohm@cirrus.com (Valerie J. Ohm)
Subject: Re: Pigface
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.131513.9510@uoft02.utoledo.edu> chris@astro1.phya.utoledo.edu (C. Strom) writes:
>
>Pigface is yet another mixup of former WaxTrax crew, including
>Jourgensen, Barker, Reznor, Connelly.. fun fun fun..

Nope.  Unca Al is not part of Pigface, but certainly was an influence.

>Some good tracks on the album, highly recommend.

Seconded.  Sad to see so many people bash it because it doesn't sound
just like Ministry.

-v
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From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Flipper
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:04:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space CUDets Int'l

In the referenced article, jcgoh@page.Princeton.EDU.mu.edu writes:
>
>Hey, hey, hey.  Def American just rereleased Flipper's 1982 debut
>opus "Generic."

Here's a question for all youse Flipper fans: Which song on which
Flipper album or single ends with the words "Nevermind, you
wouldn't understand anyway..."??

Pe,

	-- John
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From: saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe)
Subject: Pigface album (WASRe: New Nine Inch Nails Single ????)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:35:40 GMT

In article <4777@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> cwvst+@pitt.edu (Charles W Van Keuren) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.211453.698@rice.edu> mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi) writes:
>>New single 'Suck, Suck, Suck' ?!?!  By Nine Inch Nails ?!?!
>>What you heard was 'Suck' by Pigface, released at least a year
>>ago.  Pigface is just about every Wax Trax guru + Trent Reznor.
>>If you liked the song, go buy the album by Pigface.  But I must say,
>>it's not very good.
Yeah I would have to agree, I bought the album for the song "SucK" and that
is just what the album does, it SUCKS!
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From: visnurpk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Rich Kernin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: IMAGES IN VOGUE (IIV)
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Images in Vogue's last album was called _The Spell_, and this was their
*only* album issued on CD.  The rest of the back catalog is on 12" or
cassette.  _The Spell_ was released sometime around '87-'88, and was in
the shops around here for some time.  It is now *very* hard to find since
it is out of print (as well as the rest of the stuff).  I was lucky enough
to have a net friend who lives in Toronto find it at a record store going
out of business.  Also have a 12" single/remix of "So Careful", but that
will be *long* out of print, and very rare by now.  If you want catalog
number of the stuff I have (2 cassettes, 1 CD, 1 12") I'd be will to give
them to you, along with track listings, but don't count on ordering it.
It is probably one of those things you find in the used bins now...

Hope this helps!

-Rich

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From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:09:25 GMT
Organization: Human Communication Research Center
In-reply-to: bobc@FUTIQUE.SCS.unr.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 15:51:55 GMT

In article <Fvb-9F_@engin.umich.edu>, Mr. Q (mq) writes:

mq> Majors promise more money and more exposure: are these what true
mq> artists are looking for?

`True artists' have to eat too. Also, if a `true artist' wasn't
interested in exposure they wouldn't have a record contract at all,
they'd just sing in the bath or something. Seems silly to go at it
half heartedly, if you want people to hear the music then you want to
get it into as many shops as possible so that they can find it. Half
the time, `alternative' just means `has a crummy and amaturish record
company', that's why KaTe was for so long labled `alternative' in the
US.

The fact that it's hard to  get hold of something may make it a
collectors item, but it doesn't make it good. Some people seem to
think so though which is why so many of the big record companies (a)
produce limited eitions of various kinds and (b) have small
subsiduaries. 

Bands which seriosusly want to avoid the big companies can do so and
still get the records into the shops. The most sucessful ones seem to
be those who sign for a major to get the initial publicity and then
set off on their own. Grunt and EG are good examples. Other people do
it by having a distribution deal with a major company.

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