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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:08:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.125207.5765@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>In addition to the previously stated property
>>>that pig body posesses, it has another property i.e:  
>>>
>>>	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
>>>uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>>>dirty act and no other animals does it.  
>> 
>> I don't understand the significance of the above point.  Biologically
>> speaking only one sperm will fertilize an egg producing an offspring
>> (not that even this has any significance but still, I wanted to clarify).
>> In an uncontrolled atmosphere I believe all (or most) animals engage in
>> non-monogamous activity concerning their sexual behavior.  How is this
>                                                             -----------
>> act dirty?  I mean they are animals.  They have no capability for
>  ---------                             ---------------------------
>> moral judgments (assuming humans do, which is a big assumption!).  So
>  ---------------
>> what's the deal?  What does this have to do with the benefits and costs
>> of consuming pig flesh?

>	It may not be for you but it is.  Yes, the animal do not have 
>capability for moral judgements but they (except swine) are that way (good way)
>and you have the capability for moral judgments.  So, why not use our mind and 
>not do what is illogical and hurting to us (our body.)  May Allah give guidance
>to those who seek for it.

I still don't understand the correlation between the sexual practices of
pigs and the consumption of pigs by humans.  Moral judgments are something
we impose on ourselves (and some unsavory characters impose them on others)
but what do animals have to do with it?  The question of health and their
benefits or harm to humans is the factor which should be weighed in 
consumption.  If one believes (as I do) that the benefit of eating pigs
outweighs the costs to the body, one should avoid eating pig flesh.
Their sexual habits however don't figure into it.

Yasmin


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From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct8.213439.20362
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: ahasan@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu



|> 
|> Dear Sister Farha,
|> 
|> 	It does not matter where the cell is from as long as the relevant genes
|>                                                                  --------------
|> are turned on, those which help is cell division.The cell can be from an Embryo 
|> -----------
|> (male/female), adult female, and adult male.  I did not say that the cell
|> should not be from an Embryo, what I said was it can be from adult female body,
|> which can be the same female who owns the ova.  If you still have any doubt,
|> pleace, check with your teacher. I am positive about what I stated, even then, I
|> checked it with my teacher, just now.
|> 
|> 
|> Your Brother,
|> 
|> Akhtar Waqas
|> 
	
  Dear (brother(!) Akhtar and other brothers and sisters) - (set of any 
eligible women who might be reading this + blondes), :-)

			Are you implying that God needs to turn genes on
in order for a baby to be born? Personally I think that God can bring a
baby out of a water melon.

Whats happening here is that we are mixing science and religion, which is
a dangerous past-time in the best of times. Next we have to ask questions
like $ Was there God before the Big Bang? $ Will there be God after the
Big Bang? $ Is God responsible for only our Solar System, or our Galaxy
or our Cluster or our Super Cluster .. etc. $ Are we just an accident in this
unthinkably large universe or is there a reason? Where is Heaven/Hell?
In this universe or in an alternate dimension/reality? What is the soul?
Can we be concious after we die? Can we think without our brain? Can
we be punished/rewarded after we die and our body and mind turn to dust?

I have thousands of questions like these. The only way to keep my sanity
is to keep religion and science completely seperate. 

I would appreciate if someone can help me out here.

							--ali.


"Black holes are places where Mother Nature is dividing by zero."

					Donald Nichols	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu (Venu Dasigi)
Subject: Re: Visa to India
Reply-To: vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu
Organization: Wright State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:36:31 GMT

From article <1bhhgkINNl9m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan):
> 
> 
> 	I received an application for Visa to the Republic of India
> few days ago. This application form is designed especially for citizens
> of Pakistan. I have two questions :
> 
> 	1) Why do they want to know religion of the applicant. Republic
> 	   of India being secular (atleast by constitution) should not
> 	   indulge in such questions ! Will someone ( from India)
> 	   clarify this.

I agree with your observation. I believe it could be used for
statistical purposes, and don't have any information that it has ever
been used for any other purpose. Ideally, they should make it optional
question, and clearly say that it is used for statistical purposes
only, since that seems to be the intended use.

I recall how when I was an undergrad student, and was supposed to fill
out some routine form (e.g., application for a library card or some
such), and was very irked to see the religion question in there. I
made a lot of fuss over it, and refused to answer that question. The
clerk, whose ego was hurt by my refusal to answer the question, was
equally stubborn insisting that the form might not be processed if
"incomplete." I held my ground, and "got away" with it at least that
once. (I wonder what they had done with my suggestion that it must be
an optional question in a secular India, though.)

In retrospect, it is an amusing incident, but I distinctly remember
how it affected me at that time.

--- Venu Dasigi
Dr. Venu Dasigi      vdasigi@cs.wright.edu    vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu
Dept. of CS&Eng, Wright State U, 3640 Col. Glenn Highway, Dayton, OH 45435
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:15551 soc.culture.arabic:4176 soc.culture.iranian:8745
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: NATIONWIDE DEMO FOR BOSNIA [Fri,Oct 16]
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:26:07 GMT



                 NATIONWIDE DEMO TO STOP GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA!

                             FRIDAY, OCT. 16, 1992.


       All people of conscience are encouraged to join in a nationwide
       demonstration [to be held in United States and Canada] to bring
       attention to the situation in Bosnia, so that serious efforts
       can be made to stop the genocide of MUSLIMS and CATHOLICS in
       that region of the world.

       Please take some time out on Friday, October 16 to join
       in your local group. You may contact the people listed below
       for more information:

       The demo will be held in over 70 cities in US and Canada.

       #.     Phone no.          Name.
       --     ---------          -------

       1.  313-743-0680    Dr. Haytham Al-Midani.
           313-732-8883    same, in East Lansing, Michigan.
       2.  718-658-1199    Zahid Bukhari, New York City.
       3.  510-527-3283    Malik Alvi, Berkeley/San Francisco, Calif.
       4.  408-926-8720    Abdul Sattar Rydhan, San Jose, Calif.
       5.  703-750-9807    Yassir Bushnaq, Washington DC.
       6.  708-335-0639    Abdul Malik Mujahid, Chicago, Ill.
       7.  713-975-0768    Masroor Khan, Houston, Texas.
       8.  708-547-8012    Ikram Hussain, Bellwood, Ill.
       9.  301-431-2647    Abu al-Qasim, Langley Park, Maryland.
       10. 215-222-5539    Sulaiman Syed, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
       11. 714-557-8675    Sakib Sokolovich [Bosnian], Los Angeles, Calif.
       12. 201-585-8128    Waheed Khalid, Teaneck, New Jersey.
       13. 904-785-6048    Dr. Riaz Albibi, Panama City, Florida.
       14. 306-757-6688    Anwaar ul-Haq, CANADA.

      Please contact your local representatives for exact schedule.
TV and media are invited to cover the event. The above fourteen
persons are some of the organizers. You can get phone numbers of
other organizers in other cities from the above listed people.
The demo will be in over 70 cities in the North American continent.

      GOOD PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS ARE INVITED TO JOIN US!

      GOD BLESS!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject:   spelling problems..... ;-)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:41:58 GMT



Hello you amreekaanoz.......do you all have the same promlems with US/British
spellings that I do.....you know, humor is not really humour?  If so, you might
find this of interest:


If an S and an I and an O and a U
With an X at the end spell Su;
And an E and a Y and an E spell I,
Pray what is a speller to do?
Then, if also an S and an I and a G
And an HED spell side,
There's nothing much left for a speller to do
But to go commit siouxeyesighed.
                -- Charles Follen Adams, "An Orthographic Lament"

with special regards to SCP's resident spelling scholar, Afshaan Alam ;-)


ADIL [I hope when I am dead
      then it shall be said
      yes, his sins were scarlet
      but his posts were read] NAJAM
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:15696 soc.culture.arabic:4263
From: azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Modern Education is Misleading
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:20:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct12.121754.688@hls.com>, silatman@hls.com writes...
> 
> 
>    I see a few people on the net who are under the influence
>of "modern" education system which is based on a foundation

Who told you that modern education denies the Test presented
by Allah (SWT)? You are blinded by your ignorance and short
sightedness. Modern education only reveals Allah's (SWT) 
manifestations. Wake up and go read, i.e. if you can.

>that denies the Test presented by Allah swt, and wants to make
>everything ongoing and Uncertain, thus producing "graduates"
>who deep inside start denying Islam, and even mocking it
>with "scientific" theories.
> 
> 
>    You can attend colleges and universities for

When you say you who are you talking about. Don't point
your finger at me or I'll show you where you belong. I
can't seem to understand "your" generalizations and don't
point the gun at the masses and fire. "You are making a
fool of yourself.

>more knowledge but never become arrogant and challenge
>the validity of the Quran and the Sunnah, and 
>the teachings of the Awliya Ikram. Unfortunately, today's
>education system indoctrinates you in becoming Uncertain,
>and the end-product is a bunch of people who think
>they know the process with which to analyze the universe.
> 
>                   was salam, Khalid Habib Khan


     		Wake up! Dark ages have passed long ago.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yousuf@bnr.ca (Yousuf Saifullah)
Subject: Ashar from Ibn-e-Insha
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 22:01:22 GMT

Thanks Atiya for the name of book. 
Some ashaar from Ibn-e-Insha

tunhaee maiN lay ja-ayN gay sumjha-ayN gay dil ko
yay(THIS) maan bhi ja-ay ga yay dawa na kur-ayN gay
itna hay kay chooray gay yay diwanooN kee see soorat
hum kul say sur-e-rah bhi baytha na kurayN gay
ho ja-ayN gay ja kur kaheeN purdays maiN nokar
yaN saal maiN aik bar bhi aaya na kurayN gay
				( True for most of us )
is shayr maiN na daykhayN gay wo aaj say hum ko
kaya kaya na kiya ishq maiN kaya kaya na kur-ayN gay

One more...
aab yay socha hay kay puth-thar kay sanam poojayN gay
takay ghubra-ayN to tukra bhi sukayN mur bhi sukayN


Enjoy,
Yousuf Saifullah.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:40:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.100009.5666@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>ASalam-O-Alaikum,
>
>		I would like to inform you about a latest research going on in
>the field of biology called CLONNING.  What is Clonning?  Well, it a process by
>which a baby is born without any male intervention.  How?  What they do is:
>
>	1.	Take OVA out of FEMALE body.
>	2.	Take CELL out of FEMALE body.
>	3.	Take the NUCLEIUS out of the CELL.
>	4.	TURN ON all the GENES and place it on the OVA.
>	5.	It starts dividing into cells.
>	6.	Ultimately develops into a FETUS.
>
>	This research is done by Americans (Christians) and not Muslims.  Now
>the Christian beleive that respected Jesus (peace be on him) is son of God 
>because he (pboh) did not had any human father and God must be his father.  The

I can already see future Newspapers screaming 
"Evidence of clonning found in Jesuit era. Hallaloueyaaa...". 

;-) 

regards,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Visa to India
Summary: Civilized discussion requested !
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:33:21 GMT

In article <Bw8HDn.FKu@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
> >
> >	How many Pakistanis HAve you met in your whole life. Hindus and
> >Christians together are less than  a coupel of percent. Most of the people
> >have not met any Hindu from Pakistan in U.S. So who the flying fuck
> >you are. Why dont you put an ad in newspapers around U.S. asking
> >for PAkistani Hindus. May be some of my Pakistani Hindu friends will
> >respond to it. The fact that you have not met any Hindu from Pakistan
> >does not mean a shit! Do not try to respond to every post on the net.
> >
> >Mansoor
> >
> If it does not mean a shit why are you getting worked up?  Does this
> network belong to you, if not don't tell me what to do.  Who the
> fuck am I?  I am one dude who likes to fuck people's mind on the
> net, I think I have done a good job on you.  Hindus and Christians
> together are less than a couple of percent in Pakistan,
> that was not always so, why is it so now?  
> 
> manoj


Dear Mansoor and Manoj:

 Both of you are very decent and civilized persons, I would like
to see your personal open-ness and civilized attitudes reflected
in your posts.

 I call for tolerance and open-minded debate rather than hot exchanges
which do good for nobody.

regards,

-Naveed
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:15592 soc.culture.iranian:8817 soc.culture.arabic:4206
From: axa6244@hertz.njit.edu (Amna Akhtar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: when is Omar Sharif is performing in N.J?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:34:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: axa6244@hertz.njit.edu


   



   Omar Sharif and hs group are performing on the

	11 th  of october 


		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za (Lt Sajid Rahim)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:35:16 GMT


After having gone through all the previous letters, I think I must
also express my opinion. 

Firstly, I dont think there is anything wrong with modeling. It is
a completely respectable career and should NOT at all be equated
to as by some to prostition and what not. Those of you who think 
like that, let me express my sympathy for you. You people are
the one who keep your women under chador and dont allow them to
come out of the house. It is you mistreat them. It is you who think
of them as animals. My friends, THEY ARE ALSO HUMANS AND OUR EQUALS.
It is fine for you to what other women but if your woman looks at
any other man then she is bad and deserves punishment. It is not
your fault but the fault of the society and religion that you
grew up in.

Then, as the discussion moved on, mention was made of liquor. There
is frankly nothing wrong in taking liquor. So many of your muslims
brethern and revolutionaries claiming to be champions of your 
religous cause do it anyway under the cover of darkness. Where lies
the guilt when the ulema are corrupt. Just as Khalil Gibran says in
his the Satan, relating the dialogue between a priest and Satan.
"without me (Satan) you will be what you are. The rewards you get
by telling the people that I (Satan) am evil, shall no longer be
there. Without me, you are not there". ALthought I do disagree with
him, there is no such thing as satan or god. It is just humans
imagination and weakness which have brought about these concepts.
I would urge all of you out there to get the book called
"Breaking the Curfew"- I am forgetting the name of the author.
Find out the corruptions and prostition which goes on in your own
back garden before pointing fingers. Go out into the red light 
districts of your cities ie. Lahore, Karachi and you name it. See
for yourself. 

Then make up your mind about modelling or westrenism. My friends,
it is a dust which is covering your eyes. Remove it and see life
as it is. Donot try to judge others. 

Sincerely

Sajid

PS: These are my remarks. I mean no offence to anyone.    
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject: ....on dissent.......
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:04:20 GMT





	kitna aasaan hai taeed ki khoo bhar laina
	kitna dushwaar hai, apni koee raa-aye rakhna


	[how easy it is to nod at what everone says
	 how difficult it is to have a mind of your own]





	ADIL [ehl-e-qaram bazid haiN kay humm iltija karaiN
	      aur iltija gaada-ee hai, mushkil yeh-he tou hai] NAJAM



		[they are ready to show me with blessings if 
			only I were to plead,
		 but to plead is to beg.....ah, that is the issue]
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:31:57 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct10.234954.23589@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> In article <1992Oct10.165044.5739@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>	THE PROHIBITION OF SWINE IN ISLAM, JUDAISM, AND  CHRISTIANITY
>>
>>through its system, is absorved, and comes back as part of its flesh.  If that
>>same pig is killed three hours after it has had its meal of trash and other
>>impurites, and a dish of pork , or whatever other type, is prepared, then you
>>would actually have a dish of trash.  There might also be a number of germs,
>>bacteria, and parasites which infest the pig and live in its flesh.
>>
>>	Thus, it may be concluded without doubt that the swine or pig is
>>definitely an impious and unsanitary animal.  It is important to establish this
> 
> This reasoning is not only too simplistic but also fallacious. 
> 
> 1) Times have changed and almost all pork eaten in western countries 
> are raised on farms that are fed nothing but the best stuff (far more 
> hygenic than the chemical contaminated grasses that Asian cows/goats eat).
> If I read your definition of trash right, then the modern swines have never 
> tasted trash. 

Dear Brother Gopal,

	You are right when you talk about the pigs fed and grown at different
forms (not wild pigs) for business purposes in the Western Countries.  But 
Western countries  does not make the whole world. What I stated was in general 
and not for Western countries (pigs grown in forms) only. 


> 
> 2) Biologically speaking, the trash that the pigs eat would remain only
> in the intestines. Infact the food that all other animals consumes also 
> turns into trash by the time it half way down the intestines.  The intestines
> are responsible for absorbing only the useful nutrients (even trash can have 
> some nutritional value). The actual non-digestible stuff is simply passed 
> down. Thus there is no possibility of traces of trash (shit) being found 
> in swines blood or in its non-intestinal meat. 
> 
> [I do not eat swine]
> 
> regards,
> --   
> E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.

	Again, I urge you to read some books about pig's intestine and see how
it is different from other animal's intestine.  Do not only use your common-
sense but also read research done by scientists.  Pig's intestine is different
from other animals (as I stated.)  All the dirt and filth becomes part of flesh
(flesh: means meat not what is in the intestine.)  Please, read some books and
do some research.  May Allah (God) give guidance to those who seek for it.


Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: NoMoreItemsFromMe(Waqas).
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:20:33 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Dear brothers/sisters,

	I would love to respond in detail but I really have no time as of now. 
My exams are coming up and I have to catch up with my assignments.  I will tune
in when I have time.  Excuse me till then.

	This does not mean that I am avoiding replies.  I will reply whenever
possible but don't expect items from me in the near future.

Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan