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From: kclark@cevax.simpact.com (Ken J. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: B&O, BR&P, B&S, WA&G (was Re: Railway Lantern)
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:50:39 GMT
Organization: Simpact Associates, Reston VA

In Message-ID: <IdrDKVu00Uh_A8Zy1I@andrew.cmu.edu>,
ap2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan Edward Petrillo) writes:

> The Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh connected its namesake cities from
> the late 1800's until the diesel era, when B&O took over.  Sorry I can't
> be more specific, but I'm not really an expert - I just thought this
> could be a possible origin of your lantern.

Actually, the B&O gained control of the BR&P in 1921.  It became the BR&P 
sub-division of their Buffalo Division.  The ICC also required as part of 
the deal that the B&O take control of the parallel but less healthy 
Buffalo & Susquehanna (B&S) Ry.  This was part of the then ICC's general 
policy of trying to get the bigger healthier railroad to take control of 
less healthy ones.

The B&S at one time ran from the coal fields near DuBoise, PA to Buffalo, 
NY, by way of Galeton, PA and Wellsville, NY.  The extention of the line 
from Wellsville to Buffalo was built in 1906; it was abandoned in 1916, one 
of the shortest lived railroads in the US.

Under B&O control, the B&S lived out its life with little to be noted.  The 
line south of Galeton to the coal fields was lifted after most of the line 
was washed out by a flood in 1942.  This left the Wellsville to Addison, NY 
branch isolated from the rest of the B&O system.  The B&O continued to 
operate the isolated branch until 1956 when they sold it to 
M.M. Salzberg & Co. of New York (a salvage company).  Salzberg had gotten 
into the business of operating some of its purchased line prior to 
salvaging them.

Salzberg formed the Wellsville, Addison & Galeton Railroad (WAG) to operate 
the line.  The branch from Galeton to Wellsville was operated until 1974, 
the rest of the line (to Elkland, PA and Ansonia, PA) was operated until 
1979 when operations were abandoned.

The WAG was best known for its former B&M outside braced wooden boxcars.  
Painted boxcar red, the words "Wellsville, Addison & Gateton" zig-zagged up 
and down around the outside braces.  They were interchanged primarily with 
the EL at Wellsville.  They were used to ship in hides from slauter houses 
in the mid-west.  You definitely did *not* want to get down-wind from a WAG 
boxcar in summer. :-)

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From: Charlie.Baden@f178.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Baden)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Rail Maps in General (was Re: Rail Maps - Wisc,Mich)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:20:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintir.702658249.F00002

> Are maps of this sort which show all rail lines and perhaps
> abandoned
> rights-of-way on a larger scale than tourist maps available
 
You have two choices, basically: get the HANDY RAILROAD ATLAS (which has been
published by Rand McNally; Kalmbach has reprints of two old editions from the
earlier part of the century, and Carstens can sell you the current edition).
 
Or, get the RAILROADS OF NORTH AMERICA wall map. Look in your TRAINS or RAILFAN
magazine for a display ad from "Railroad Information Service" out of Texas. They
even have an 800-number you can charge by phone.
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Rail Maps - Wisc,Mich
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:36:57 GMT
Distribution: usa

George Robbins writes:

>The problem with topographic maps is that they have so much detail that
>each map shows only a small area.

There is also a 1:250,000 series of topo maps, which is a better scale for
anything other than facilities (e.g. yards and interlockings).  These are
physically rather bulky-- they're about the size of 6 or 8 of the 7.5'
minute maps.  For a sample, let me say that two of these maps neatly covers
Maryland from the bay west and DC north.

If you ever visit DC, there is a fed store (in the vicinity of 17th & E NW)
which sells the maps at fed prices, plus DC sales tax of course.

I believe that the LC and the Nat. Archives have antique map series,
including older topo maps.  Incidentally, there was an article in the last
Smithsonian about the end of the 7.5' project; they've just finished.

-- 
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From: kkelley@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kevin Kelley)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:17:05 GMT
Subject: Re: More SPSF merger sightings
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.railroad


Gregg Fuhriman posts (in part):

> I've also read reports that Morrison-Knudson in Boise, ID owns
> at least one merger-painted unit, and uses it as their shop
> switcher.  I think it's an ex-SP SD45 ?  Is it still there ?

					FCF

When I took a tour of M-K's facility about a year or 18 months ago,
I noticed this SD45 that you are referring to.  It is/was indeed in
Kodachrome.  M-K rebuilt numerous SD-45's into units that are internally
close to SD-40-2's.  Whether the SD-45 that you are referring to ended up
getting converted is a question that I can't answer.  It seems strange to
use a SD-45 as a local yard switcher, but if the price is right.....

Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: charyd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david chary)
Subject: ATSF CW's now being delivered
Reply-To: fbcb@iunsys.iun.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:39:43 -0500

I just saw ATSF CW's 800, 802, and 804 come through NW Indiana on
Conrail. This is the fist set of CW's to be delivered. The BW delivery
set is now complete.

Also, Conrail UBH-138 (Loaded coal cars to Burns Harbor, IN via
interchange from Norfolk Southern in Toledo, OH) today had NS 3295, 
GT 5861, NS 6146. I have seen GT power on one other NS mainline train
a few weeks ago.

I also saw new Johnstown America/ Bethlehem Steel Rail Freight Car
PGEX coal cars (400's and 500's) deing delivered loaded. The reporting
marks are black on white, with a red stripe on the side, and a rose
symbol to the right of the car number.



-- 
Dave Chary **Indiana University Northwest (fbcb@iunsys.iun.indiana.edu)**
From: diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Thomas Diessel)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: TGV trains list
Keywords: TGV,SNCF,trains,list
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:35:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: gretchen.diessel.702668156
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)


I'm looking for a list of all existing, being built or planned TGV models:
- TGV Sud Est
- TGV Atlantique
- TMST
- TGV Reseau
- TGV Continental
- TGV 2N
- AVE (Spanien)
- Texas
I'm not only interested in technical details but also in:
- excact type name/number (e.g. TGV Atlantique = TGV 24000)
- vehicle numbers (single locos and complete trains)
- year of construction
- manufacturer
- yard/shop
Maybe somebody knows such literature about the TGV.

Thomas Diessel

--
Thomas Diessel
Federal Armed Forces University, Munich
Computer Science Department
Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 17:44:05 MES
From: Ruediger Gaensfuss <FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Crossing Accidents and Train Crews

In article <12617@umd5.umd.edu>, djmurphy@wam.umd.edu (Dave Murphy) says:
>From the Washington Post, Monday 13 April 1992, page A6.
>(w/out permission)
>ACCIDENTS HAVE IMPACT ON ENGINEERS AS WELL
>by Don Phillips, Washington Post Staff Writer
>...
>   "The problem was a lot of the time, if the train wasn't
>damaged, the engineer continued on his trip after killing a fam-
>ily of four," said D.B. Ditzel, Montana state legislative direc-
>tor for the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers.
Hard to believe what has happened in Germany about 20 years ago:
There was an engineer of a passenger train who hit a car at a
crossing: car damaged, but only two or so light injuries. The
engineer was asked whether he will continue the trip or not and
he answered "yes" although there was another stand-by engineer
available. Some little two hours later his train hit another car,
this time causing three or four deaths. Poor man!

Ruediger Gaensfuss (FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET) University of Muenster, Germany
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SPV (Was Re: RDC's and SPV's?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:55:53 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr14.124655.19665@stsci.edu>, stevray@stsci.edu (Don Stevens-Rayburn) writes:

|> Back in the sixties, I worked as a interlocking operator for CP
|> in Calgary.  CP then had upgraded the trackbed from Calgary to
|> Edmonton (about 200 mi) and had bought some specially geared
|> RDCs (we called 'em Budd Cars 'cause they were made by the
|> Budd Corp). For a period of about a year, CP ran the RDCs at 
|> a scheduled speed of 115 mph on that track!
|> 
|> The reason that the trial ended was not that the RDCs couldn't
|> handle it.  The problem was that the line passes through 190 mi.
|> of open prairie between Calgary and Edmonton.  There were (probably still
|> are) a lot of unprotected, at-grade, private crossings along the track
|> and folks just couldn't get used to the idea that that horn you hear off
|> in the distance and that little light way down the track was barrelling
|> down on you at 115 mph.

Is this why there is no longer any scheduled rail passenger service
between Edmonton and Calgary?

Seems a damn shame; certainly that service was a lot faster than
any automobile or bus could be.  (I assume that people now normally
travel between the two cities by driving;  am I wrong?)

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David A Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Galveston Dinner Train Operation?
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:09:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr17.200911.20380
Distribution: na
Organization: UW-Milwaukee Computing Services Division
Originator: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Could anyone please inform me on the current operation schedule and
perhaps other details like phone number for the outfit that runs the train
down from Galveston to Corpus Christi or wherever?

I want to try to plan an amtrak layover with the damn 3 day service
on the Sunset to take in the dinner train without spending a whole three days
there.

-- 
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Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 23:11:07 EDT
From: John D. Balogh <JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Hobos on Prime Time Live

I just saw a segment of ABC-TV's Prime Time Live show that covered
some Hobos and their travels. It aired from 10:30 - 10:45 ES
B
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 16:16:10 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Diesel-electric in Germany (was: Re: TRAVELOGUE ...)

Of course you are right about the 201 and 202, I forgot them.
But what is the 259? I could not find this class in my "Obermayer"
handbook of German Diesel locomotives.
The same with the Koef II - all I saw listed were diesel-hydraulic or
diesel-mechanic.
Or do you mean the Kbs 4072-4077 dual power shunters (the V 16 seems to
belong in the same class?)
Regards, Lutz Massonne

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Washington DC question
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:47:20 GMT

In article <12190@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
|> 
|> The Metro line I was on parallels a number of railroad tracks for a
|> good part of the distance it travels.  Looking West (I think) out
|> of the Metro car I was in, we passed a string of nicely painted
|> RFP diesels (Richmond, Fredricksburgh and Potomac?)  We also passed
|> a large yard area that looked like it had once seen better times, and
|> my primary questions surround the structures in that yard.
|> 
|> The yard contained a number of grey painted I-beams that pointed up and
|> sometimes angled over.  They looked like they could become or could have
|> been catenary supports.  The grey-painted ones looked fairly new, and
|> that makes me wonder -- are these part of an attempt to extend the
|> North East Corridor electrification across the Potomac, or are they the
|> remains of an old extension across the Potomac that must have seen some
|> maintenance after the 1960's to get that kind of I-beam used for catenary
|> support.
 
 Coincidentally enough, there was an article about this very thing in this
month's issue of _Trains_. What you passed was the old Potomac Yard, or 
"Pot Yard". Those things that looked like catenary supports were indeed 
catenary supports in the past, but they will probably never be so again. 
Pot Yard is being downsized in a big way, since the demand for classification
and servicing which led to its creation is no longer there. A lot of the 
tracks have been, or will be, removed, and the former right-of-way used for
new urban development. The old catenary supports are probably still around 
only because it was never worth anyone's trouble to tear them down. I suspect
they won't be around for too much longer.
 
(note: I'm still fairly new to the railfanning thing, so corrections are 
welcome if I made any grave errors.)
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From: eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Montrealer Notice
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:51:38 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Railnet BBS (phone # changing April 1992)

From the Current Amtrak Timetable 4-5-92 to 10-24-92

MONTREALER

The Schedule and Services of the Montrealer,
Trains 60 and 61, are subject to change.  At
press time of this timetable, the final
schedule was not available.  Please consult
an Amtrak agent for further details on
Montrealer service.  A printed timetable
will be available at a later date.


--
eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
Railnet BBS (phone # changing April 1992)
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 08:55:19 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Diesel-Electric vs. Diesel-hydraulic

In a Diesel-hydraulic locomotive, the power transmission from the
Diesel engine to the wheels is done using a fluid.
In principle, the engine drives a vane wheel inside a box filled
with oil, and on the wheels side another vane wheel is driven
by the streaming oil. (Sorry if I didn't get the technical wording correct)

This way you can get rid of the fundamental problem that a Diesel motor
delivers maximum momentum at a certain speed while you need max power
to start a train from zero, which is difficult to achieve with
mechanical gearboxes.

(Maybe someone more fluent in English can explain the priciple better)

Regards, Lutz

PS. Regarding the use of Diesel-electric transmission in early German
shunters - maybe there the existing technology from tramways could be used,
while the construction of high-power motors for main-line locomotives
was still in its infancy?
From: stevray@stsci.edu (Don Stevens-Rayburn)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SPV (Was Re: RDC's and SPV's?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:46:55 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Originator: stevray@yumnuska.stsci.edu


Back in the sixties, I worked as a interlocking operator for CP
in Calgary.  CP then had upgraded the trackbed from Calgary to
Edmonton (about 200 mi) and had bought some specially geared
RDCs (we called 'em Budd Cars 'cause they were made by the
Budd Corp). For a period of about a year, CP ran the RDCs at 
a scheduled speed of 115 mph on that track!

The reason that the trial ended was not that the RDCs couldn't
handle it.  The problem was that the line passes through 190 mi.
of open prairie between Calgary and Edmonton.  There were (probably still
are) a lot of unprotected, at-grade, private crossings along the track
and folks just couldn't get used to the idea that that horn you hear off
in the distance and that little light way down the track was barrelling
down on you at 115 mph.

There were no serious derailments (although the dead occupants of the
car would say that the accident was serious) but CP regularly had to 
send out a geep to bring back the Budds.  Hitting even a small car at
over 100 mph does a real number on the front of the RDC.

During the time that I worked for CP, they almost always ran at 
least 2 RDCs as a unit and sometimes as many as 6.


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From: SPITZBARTH@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU ("Edward Spitzbarth, Coordinator of Networks/PC's")
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Info/Photos from Southwestern Wisconsin wanted
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:49:00 GMT

After exploring this area for the last few years, I have taken
a "locals" interest in this area.  To help understand what was
happening (railroad-wise) in this area, I am looking for old
photos or information.  If you have either from Southwestern
Wisconsin or Northeastern Illinois and would be willing to
make copies or duplications (I, of course, would pay for
such duplication and postage), I would like to hear from you.
Please drop me an e-mail message stating what you have.
 
Thanks.
 
Ed Spitzbarth
PC Coordinator
University of Wisconsin at Platteville
 
Internet:       spitzbarth@uwplatt.edu
Bitnet:         spitzbarth@uwplatt
From: Charlie.Baden@f178.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Baden)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: RR GIF's FTP site (was Re: BN E9 GIF's posted)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:18:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintir.702658249.F00001

I have a supply of GIF's, most of them from RAIL NEWS MIDWEST BBS in St. Louis.
I don't have any FTP capability, but if you send me a box of formatted PC
diskettes (any size/density) I'll copy them onto 'em and send them back. I have
5 diskettes of GIFs and another 2 diskettes of miscellaneous railroad files
(rosters, frequencies, schedules, games, PCX clip art, etc.)
 
P.O. Box 17340, Anaheim CA 92817.
This offer goes to anyone. I would like you to copy any rail files you already
have onto the disks before you send them to me, so we can make this collection
better.
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Soo U30c's?
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:04:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: gw.1992Apr7.220416.3732
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Apr7.003848.28066@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:
> In article <1992Apr04.033546.13544@mixcom.com>, Steven.Schultz@mixcom.mixcom.com (Steven.Schultz) writes:
>> 
>> The Soo Line had 10 U30Cs. #800-809. Serial numbers: 36715-36724. They were
>> delivered April '68: 800-802, May '68 803-807, and June '68 808-809. They were
>> retired Nov. '83-April '84, and were sent to E.M.D., McCook, IL, on trade-ins
>> for new SD-40-2s. They were then sent next door to Pielet Brothers' for
>> scapping, although I don't know if they ever were. They still might be there.
> 
> Also, didn't SOO get some ex-MILW GE units? Or were they gone by that time?
> 
> Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)

The 2nd edition of Diesel Loco Rosters showed Milwaukee Road as having all
EMD's, and they also gave a renumbering scheme of the combined Soo/Milwaukee
roster, which as far as I know, never took place. Most of the Milwaukee engines
got spun off to WC I think, along with a lot of BN SD45's.
The picture of Soo 6617 in the Roster, the engine looks a lot different now.
It is Candy Apple Red, with Dynamic Brakes and ditch lights, but it did not
get renumbered to 6666(like they said it would)

Fred Ochs

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From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: RDC's and SPV's?
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:57:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.035741.1952
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Ed Andradee writes:

> Could someone please answer this question for me? I am young, and so do not
> have first hand knowledge of all the details, but from what I have heard over
> the years, it sounds like the RDC's and SPV's were/are very unreliable units.
> Why is this? IS this because of a fault in the design of these units, of what?
> Any insight would be appreciated.

  What is an SPV?  I know what RDC's are (Santa Fe had some) but I've never
heard of SPV's (Santa Fe didn't have any).  Thanks.

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