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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Referee Magazine?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:31:06 -0600
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Does anybody know of a publication dedicated to soccer refereeing or,
barring that, officiating in general?  Any leads would be appreciated.

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I think there is magazine called just that, Referee. Don't know much else 
about it though.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu

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From: sandhu@seas.gwu.edu (Jasvinder Sandhu)
Subject: football in Brazil (Rio and Sao Paulo) in jan '93
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:53:42 GMT

does anyone know of games in Sao Paulo and Rio de Jan.
between january 2-18th, as i will be there at these dates.
what is the ticket situation, and location of the stadiums
     thanks
     jas

email: sandhu@seas.gwu.edu
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From: diaz@mecad.uta.edu (Ramon Diaz)
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele.
Keywords: be serious
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: all
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:21:09 GMT

I believe is time that some of you people begin to be serious and objective 
about soccer. I have seen several stupid people claiming that there is some
way to compare Pele and Maradona.
 
It is very sad to state it but soccer international competitions such as World
Cups had their peak some years ago when it was a real sport competition and not  
a big business as it is today. In those days there was no need to create idols  
or heroes of the game by the media or other interested groups since the stars  
were there. Our beloved sport was an enjoyable activity not only to players but  
primarily to espectators. World cups were shorter, with less participating  
teams, more competitive, and specially of better quality that today's. (I still  
think that quality of soccer played in Mexico 1970 won't be seen anymore).

Unfortunately after those glorious days most of the world cup competitions have  
declined as spectacle. The game has became more defensive and consequently more  
boring. World cups are played now by quantity and not by quality of games. This  
could probably contributed to the lack of actual stars of the game, although I  
believe that money is the real cause of shortage of talented players. Precisely
is this decrease of talented players what has made those people that benefit  
with the big fortunes associated with soccer today to create false stars of the
game. There is no doubt that Maradona is a good player, but it is also true  
that he is the product of publicitary campaigns. Maradona has been in Argentina
more than a soccer superstar to become in some national heroe to help overcome  
the problems of that country. Even the argentinian government benefited with  
that "make-believe" act.

Some other people has already posted very true statements such as Maradona's  
great ability with his hands and teatrical abilities, his overweight, his  
non-consistent performance, besides the cold statistics of Diego and Pele, 
all related to soccer. If you had to compare Pele and Maradona as a persons, we
all know that Maradona is nothing but a poor ignorant that thanks to lots of  
publicity and some limited good plays (like the scored goal to England in  
Mexico 86) has become rich. We have to remember that an idiot with money is  
more notable or identified than an idiot without money. All the scandals and  
problems with the law seem to confirm it. We can not compare a diamond with a  
simple piece of coal. Pele has been and will continue being the King. Next time
that you compare something be objective, please.

                                           R.D.
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From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:12:57 GMT

Adding yet another opinion to this thread, I must give my
nod to Pele. While it is true that the game has become much 
more defensive and tighter, I have seen Pele do things with
(and without) the ball of which I think Maradona is not capable.
Pele's goal in 1958's WM (he was 18?) is one example. He takes the
ball on the thigh (his back to the goal), flips it up over his head, 
runs around a defender, and volleys it home.

The man was consistent, which cannot really be said of Maradona.

And, though I don't necessarily demand that football players
prove their abilities with ebullient personalities and
perfect on-field/off-field behaviour, it must be said that 
Pele has always been admired/worshipped/loved/awed/respected for
his playing and his character.

Maradona can excite me with his play, but watching Pele is a total
experience, one that convinces me that humans are capable of
much more.
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Olympiakos
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:55:39 GMT
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      Yes, they still are in European club competition; they are in the
quarterfinals round of the Cup Winners' Cup and they will play against
Atletico Madrid on March 3 and 17.  They eliminated AS Monaco in the previous
round by a 1-0 victory at Monaco and a 0-0 draw in Piraeus.
                                                        Panos Karliotis
From: bengt@fires1.uucp (Bengt A. Palsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Soccer on satellite
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:14:23 GMT
Organization: Svenska Popfabriken AB, USA div.
Distribution: usa
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A live broadcast of the Italian league can be seen Sunday mornings at
8:30 a.m. (Eastern time) on satellite G2 on varying transponders. 
This is a live feed with natural sound (no commentary) and is 
definitely worth checking out if you are in to soccer and happen to have 
access to a dish (I assume all the sports bars are closded on Sunday mornings).

Has anyone caught any unscambled live feeds from the English league 
(usually on Saturdays) ?


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From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Maradona or Pele --> PELE OF COURSE!
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:49:52 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

The simple fact that Maradona has played for a lesser number of years
and that he has mixed drugs and play/sport, makes Pele' a better player.

Enrique
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From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: RULE CHANGES
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:19:20 GMT

I agree with all his points except the changing the substitution rule.  
Hopefully FIFA is happy with the effectiveness of the new backpass rule and
they won't be so afraid to try and change something else after 1994.  There's
only a couple of more things they could do to enhance this marvelous game.

Andy
From: eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Predictions' League Update
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:06:05 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Well, um er, I didn't cheat honest ! 

Predictions scores

Gerry Stewart     9 (7,2)
Garry Sinclair    6 (4,2)
David Mousley     6 (5,1)
The PARanoid      6 (5,1)
Andy Lipscomb     5 (4,1)
Dave Smith        5 (4,1)
Peter Iveson      4 (3,1)
Graeme Cruickshank 4 (3,1)
Stephen Gilmour   3 (3,0)
Douglas Howat     3 (3,0)
Christos C.       2 (2,0)
Kent Hedlundh     2 (2,0)
Tracy Haldane     2 (2,0)
Keith Franklin    2 (2,0)
Henry tmmj        2 (2,0)
James Shaw        2 (2,0)


Updated League

                  Pts  Bon  Tot  Poss
1. James Shaw      88   18  106   338
2. Tracy Haldane   78   21   99   312
3. Henry tmmj      82   13   95   340
4. Gerry Stewart   77   16   93   308
5. Keith Franklin  73   19   92   310
6. THE PARanoid    76   13   89   324
7. Dave Smith      66   12   78   278
8. Graeme Cruick.  60   13   73   278
9. Stephen Gilmour 46    8   54   168
10.Douglas Howat   40    4   44   160
11.Elliot Worth    30    5   35   122
12.Arabian Bairn   25    6   31    94
13.Dave Mousley    14    3   17    58
14.Garry Sinclair  12    4   16    54
15.Andy Lipscomb   12    2   14    46
16.Christos. C.     8    3   11    44
17.Dave McCann      8    2   10    32
18.Iain Lindsey     7    2    9    28
19.Peter Iveson     5    1    6    32
20.Kent Hedlundh    5    0    5    32
21.Dave Neilson     4    0    4    12




    Stand by for the next predictions' games.


                  Gerry
From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The best defender in the world!
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:12:39 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <Staalebj-141292112121@pc203.dhhalden.no>, Staalebj@dhhalden.no (Mr. Bjerkeng) writes:
|> The best defender in the world is without a doubt RUNE BRATSETH

RUNE BRATSETH?  Never heard!

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From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: An idea
Date: 11 DEC 92 18:33:31 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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that's a good idea but are posters not going to complain about the
double job this implies? i think this newsgroup is being saturated
with postings which have no relevance to the advancement or even
enjoyment of soccer. once such irrelevancies stop flowing in, this group
will definitely have a breathing space ( i may be wrong but this is just
my personal opinion).
oguocha 
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From: paulr@boi.hp.com (Paul Rolig)
Subject: Re: Backpass-FIFA deserves the Nobel Prize!!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:01:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

|On the whole no, but I watched a match the other day where a cross was coming
|into the box and a defender chested it into the arms of the goalie to keep it
|from a number of dangerously placed strikers.  The ref penalised them for a
|back-pass and awarded the attacking team a free kick, inside the box, to one

Oops!  The new rule disallows only deliberate kicks (with the foot or feet).
This chesting of the ball from a teammate to his own goalkeeper should not have
been penalized at all.

There is a danger in talking about "back-passes" being disallowed: this is
NOT what the rule says!  It talks only about deliberate kicks by a teammate
to the goalkeeper.  The direction (forward, backward, or sideways) is of NO
concern.  Passing the ball with the head, chest, thigh, or knee is still
permitted.  Only deliberate "tricks" to circumvent the spirit of the law
are also disallowed (e.g., juggling the ball with the foot to head it to
the goalkeeper).  The intent is to get rid of timewasting tactics.  Plays
made under pressure are generally not timewasting.
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Subject: Re: ALL THE IFS OF THE SCOTTISH CUP
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:53:30 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


In article <1992Dec9.145114.10691@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.142020.2308@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc2rjm@dct.ac.uk writes:
>> PREDICTIONS OF OUTSTANDING RESULTS FROM THE SCOTTISH CUP
>> 
>> 1ST ROUND
>> 
>> FORFAR   3-1   ALBION

well close enough...5-0 it was

>> COVE     2-0   PETERHEAD

exactly right, i think

>> 
>> 2ND ROUND
>> 
>> FORFAR   1-3   STENHOUSEMUIR
>> HUNTLY   3-0   QOS
>   etc. etc.
> 
> But, can anyone explain why the Scottish FA find it necessary to make the draw
> for the 3rd round before the 2nd round has taken place?
> 
> I know it happens in the qualifying stages of the FA Cup, and for the whole of
> the Wimbledon tennis tournament at the outset, but is there a pressing reason
> for doing it at this stage of the Scottish Cup? Is it just a quaint Scottish
> custom?

dont ask me...the SFA are a law unto themselves...after all, if they had a bit
of common sense, the likes of Huntly, Ross county etc would in the scottish
league.

> 
> Paul
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From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The World's Best Football Players
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:26:52 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Dec10.150815.1126@gssec.bt.co.uk>, gmcfall@gssec.bt.co.uk (Graeme McFall) writes:
|> I am new to this newsgroup and apologise if this has been
|> done recently, but I would like to find out people's
|> opinion on the players they would pick to form a World's 
|> Best XI.
|> 

Best active players or best players ever?  I can't tell much about active
players since I've been in the U.S. too long.  As for the best player ever,
it is a tough decision.  But the second-best is easy:  Maradona.

|> Graeme.

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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Backpass-FIFA deserves the Nobel Prize!!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:14:00 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


Any fans out there who actually DISLIKE the new backpass rule?! I've watched
a lot of matches since July when the change was implemented and haven't yet
found a single reason to dislike it.
---
The "conservatives" said it would force players to balloon the ball into the
crowd because they could no longer pass the ball back to the goalkeeper, thus
wasting even more time than before. Such fears appear to be unfounded,
defenders do play the ball over the sidelines when under pressure but so far it
hasn't been a serious problem and little time is lost because the attacking
team gains possession of the ball afterwards (throw-ins or corner-kicks).

Other positive factors:

-Forechecking (="attack is the best defense")/full-court pressure has at
last become an effective strategy in soccer. These days, defenders and
goalkeepers often panic when the ball is close to the penalty area. They simply
have nowhere to pass the ball but away from goal, leading to confusion and more
goals. Before the change was made, trying to challenge a defender in his own 
half of play was all but useless as he would just pass the ball back to the 
goalie.

-The game is a lot faster than before. No longer can a goalkeeper hold the 
ball for ages, except when making a save.

-The game is more artistic. A good goalie is almost like a libero, he is more
like a playmaker who can direct the play in a constructive way using his feet.
---
...and does it produce more goals? So far, yes. The Italian average is 3.4 - up
one goal from last year's average. In Germany, the average number of goals
scored is 3, 0.2 more than in 1991-92. It appears as if international soccer is
opening up too. The UEFA World Cup qualifying tournament average is 3.3 goals -
0.8 goals more than it was four years ago. Despite this, the number of
one-sided World Cup qualifying games has actually been lower this time. There
is parity these days, so far only the Faroe Islands and San Marino have been 
"killed" by the opposition whereas four or five teams lost all their games by
huge margins during the Italia'90 campaign.
---
Interestingly, most players and coaches seem to hate the backpass rule. 
FC Barcelona coach Johan Cruyff (in WORLD SOCCER) said it is "the product of 
people who play their football behind desks" and know nothing about the game. 
Sure.

MARCU$

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From: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Subject: Re: Toyota Cup
Reply-To: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.135132.1207@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>, yu030@cs.cuhk.hk (Yu Wai Leung) writes:
|> Toyota Cup results:
   **********

These sponsor-named cups annoys me!

|> 
|> Sao Paulo FC  2         FC Barcelona 1
|> 
|> South american team had re-captured the cup after a three year break,
|> Cheer for south american soccer!
|> 
|> 


Per Annar
Trondheim, Norway
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs v Arsenal - Match Report
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:11:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1gn8n8INN3as@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:

>of which prevented Tony "Donkey" Adams from scoring  what would have been
>one of his career best efforts. A long ball from Bould found Adams still
>lurking forward, his first touch chipped the ball over Ruddock and he
>then volleyed the ball in low, with Erik just turning the ball round his

This was a quite astonishing bit of football from Adams who showed
admirable restraint to the "Ee-aww" noises, carrots, etc. that came his
way whenever he touched the ball. On the telly you can hear the
collective gasp of astonishment from the crowd when he flicked the ball
over Ruddock and snapped a sharp volley towards the goal. Reminded me a
bit of the goal Niall Quin (sp?) scored for City last season - another
player connected with the Arse who's not exactly renowned for skillful
play, but the goal was a cracker. I reckon these Gooners and ex-Gooners
like to pull something special out when they visit the Lane! Champagne
Charlie used to score most of his goals against us, or so it seemed.

>Other news is that Gordon Durie has his appeal against the three match
>suspension imposed for supposedly feigning injury after being headbutted
>in the game against Coventry. Let's hope he gets his name cleared. I for
>one am fed up with smallminded morons calling him a cheat.

Yet more restraint from the Arse! (If only some of it would wear off on
"You'll never score for England" Wright). There was less of this
chanting at this match than at any of the others I've been to since the
Durie controversy started. What's going on with you Gooners - it's no
fun if you don't join in; has 4 defeats in a row knocked the verbals
out of you all?

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
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From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
Subject: MARADONA OR PELE
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:27:07 GMT

SINCE YOU WERE NOT CLEAR I CAN HAVE MANY IDEAS:

1- Who is a better runner? Pele
2- Who would I go to bed with? None of the above
3- Who is the smartest? Pele
4- Who is knows how to put in a party? Maradona (with his million $$ mariage)
5- Who is a better sniffer? Maradona, of course! Ask the police...
6- Who is a better basketball player? Maradona. Ask the English Team!
7- Who is Mr. Fat One? Maradona...
8- Who has better suits? Pele
9- Who always get the prettiest girlfriends? Pele
10- Who is a better soccer player? HOW DARE YOU COMPARE DIAMONDS (PELE) WITH
CRISTALS (MARADONA, PLATINI,ETC...)????????

DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER!!!

Nana
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:17:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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      Yes, and this was not a good year for the Dodgers and the Angels.  And
the Dodgers did almost nothing to improve the team.  With Atlanta, Cincinnati,
San Francisco and Houston improved a lot, I see more tough times for those
Dodgers...
      By the way, I also question their decision to re-sign Eric Davis.  Let's
see how many games he will play in 1993.
      Maybe in 1993, Dodgers fans will arrive in the first inning and leave
after the 6th...who knows.
      The good years for the Dodgers are gone...
                                                                   Panos
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From: waring@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Martin Waring)
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:02:55 GMT


>
>I'm surprised that there has been no mention of the strength of feeling
>between Liverpool and Man U
>

Yes, it is surprising as this (IMHO) must be the most violent of rivalries.

>Who's that lying on the roadway?, Munich 58, we understand.

For those interested in totally shameful songs sung on the terraces of
England, the words to this song are

Who's that lying on the runway,
who's that lying in the snow,
it's Matt Busby and his boys,
making all the f**king noise,
'cos they can't get the aeroplane to go.

It, of course, refers to the disaster at Munich airport in 1958 in which the 
Man United plane crashed on take off (i believe) in heavy snow and
most of a very promising all-star team were killed.

There is another theme on this sung against Liverpool (I think) but I cant 
remember it.

I also dont know the name of the tune to the above ditty, perhaps someone can
help out.
It is also rather old-fashioned now (as most football fans who frequent
games now werent even born in 1958) so is probably not much sung
-- it was certainly becoming less popular at Villa park when I was there before
1989.

Tony Begley -- any Villa match reports much appreciated, as are any other 
English match reports.


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