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From: v067q3ey@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Harold F Mayfield)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI North Comments & Scores
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:24:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.124144.17429@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes...
>In article <BrqxLA.L3o@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v067q3ey@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Harold F Mayfield) writes:
>>   3. Cadets of Bergen Co.
>>      Well personally I hate this corp, but I'll give my honest opinion. 
>>   2. Phantom Regiment
>>      This show was great. 
>>      A must to see!
>> 
>> Harold Mayfield
>> '86 Phantom
> 
>Harold,
> 
>It's no surprise to me that you hate the Cadets being a Phantom
>alumni!  Most people (and some judges I talked to) expect to see
>the Cadets pass Phantom by the end of the season.
>Care to comment??  :-)
> 
>Tom
>---

   Tom,

      I was wondering if you saw both shows? I saw the Cadets show, and it was
good, but as for Phantom's horn line and G.E. right now they are strong but
not strong enough. When the drum line cleans their section Phantom is going 
to be very tough. They won High Brass, and as for visual the cadets will 
not be able to touch them.
Basically the Cadets can clean their show which will increase their score, 
but from what I saw they can not really add to it. As Phantom cleans their
show they have alot of spots where they can to the G.E. I predict
Phantom to be ahead of the Cadets in finals.



Harold Mayfield
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Phantom/Garfield animosity 
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 25 Jul 92 08:58:02 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <9207241936.AA16002@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>
>
>   " We march in Phantom 'cause we like straight lines...
>
>     "We march in Phantom 'cause we like 4th place....
>
We used to sing this song too in Cavaliers 1984.  I remember a few more lines:

to the tune of the end of 1812 Overture:

We march in Phantom 'cause we like straight lines...
We march in Phantom 'cause we 4th place...

We march in Phantom 'cause we like to park and blow...
We march in Phantom 'cause we have a boring show...

PHANTOM REGIMENT
PHANTOM REGIMENT (This is the part of 1812 with the cannons.)

that's all the lyrics I remember 

No hard feeling PR folks  :-)
 
-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Scores: Centerville, OH 7/22/92
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:48:50 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service
Scores: DCI Centerville (Dayton), OH7/22/921. Cavaliers        85.52.  Crossmen         81.33. Glassmen         76.04. Velvet Knights   75.05.  Bluecoats        71.56. Dutch Boy        66.77. Limited Edition  55.4

Cavailers looked pretty hot.  Watched them at a clinic in the afternoon
where their brass was seemingly weak and uninspired, but put on a good brass
show that night.  Visually much cleaner than when I last saw them (June 29).
Announcer said they scored 87.7 at *Cherries Jubilee in Brass* the night
before.
 
Crossmen are good, but their show is not as well-packaged as last year, IMHO.
The opener is not too convincing, and the crowd was left kind of cold by
the backfield exit.  The middle chart was great, though, one of the high
points of the evening.  The Xmen drumline is hot again, but doesn't seem to
be as featured as in the past.
 
Glassmen are making great strides.  I talked to two staff members I know
whom I have worked with before, Tom Acheson (the program coordinator) and
Ping Dawson (guard staff). In the past three days, Glassmen have beaten
Spirit and VK twice.  However, much of their lead is due to show design...
they are behind other corps in execution.  While they believe this is the best
Glassmen corps ever, the membership are still very immature performers who
hold much promise for improvement.
 
VK was tons of fun, a great show.  Much improved over last year.
 
Bluecoats are spinning their wheels, going nowhere.  Glassmen are really
opening up a spread on them.  Looks like they'll be sitting out Saturday
night in Madison.
 
Dutch Boy were not bad, but I agree that they are having a comparably down
year.  Smaller guard than in past years, and even though they are as
glitzy as in the past, their smaller numbers impede their contribution
to the program.
 
Limited Edition was marching and playing much better than in June, but still
have weak brass and a sub-par vehicle to perform.
 
 
Mike Hughes
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu (Jay Glover)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Off the Line and other Spanich
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:54:49 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Jul22.143237.24502@ncsu.edu>, jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.175625.26772@exu.ericsson.se> exujsch@exu.ericsson.se (Johnny Schmittou T-EEG x7887 Dallas) writes:
>>
>>I didn't see if anyone had mentioned these guys, but how about
>>"The Muchachos" from Hawthorne, New Jersey?  (Around say, 1976?)
>>We (my high school marching band) had an album recorded live from
>>a contest with that corps on it.  They did a tune called "Pictures
>>of Spain" (I had also heard this referred to as "Off the Line"?)
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> No, Johnny.  As far as I've been marching, off the line is a phrase
> used to describe the opening, or first song in a show.  Anyone else
> have this or other interpreptation?

Well, since you asked...  Yes, the first song in the show is usually
refered to by the generic term, "off the line."  But... there is a
particular piece of music entitled "Off the Line" also.  It is not,
however, an alias, version, arrangement, or otherwise associated with
"Pictures of Spain" or "Spirit of Spain." (two distinct and separate
charts)  "OtL" does possess a spanish flavor.  Btw, by my third year
in marching band, I had played all three on the field.   My best 
percussion friend swears there is only one spanish song percussion
part.  He claims to be able to play the different songs' parts
interchangebly with any other song.

I can't remember composers/arrangers of any of the above but could 
get them if need be to prove the differences.  I have them all copied
in my blue book from my second(?) year marching, along with one other
spanish favorite...   "Malaguena."

 - jay g.
From: alfalfa@first.cac.washington.edu (Corey Lawson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Old Corps...
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:27:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington

I wonder how many people remember the Brassmen, of Bellingham, WA?
My brother was in it, for their one year of existence.  It never
had over 20 people in it...So, he went to PacBlue in 86???

My girlfriend, Cheryl Vorvick, was in BD-B in '83, and BD-A in '84...
Let's just say that the Cadets is not one of her favorite corps.  If there  
were ever a political DCI judgement call, I'd say that this was the year  
for it. Perhaps someone could post the results for '84?

Oh...while we are going down Memory Lane...When we lived in Arvada, CO  
(from 1973 to 1980) there was a Corps that practiced at Fitzmorris Park.
Anyone know of this corps?  (OH...Arvada is a Denver 'burb).

Anyways...I love this newsgroup, as well as the music.

-Corey Lawson
alfalfa@last.cac.washington.edu
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Oldtimer new to network
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:42:14 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

exujsch@exu.ericsson.se (Johnny Schmittou T-EEG x7887 Dallas) writes:

> 
> I didn't see if anyone had mentioned these guys, but how about
> "The Muchachos" from Hawthorne, New Jersey?  (Around say, 1976?)
> We (my high school marching band) had an album recorded live from
> a contest with that corps on it.  They did a tune called "Pictures
> of Spain" (I had also heard this referred to as "Off the Line"?)

That, and another tune: "Spirit of the Bull," (or the Spanish equivalent).
Our high school band played an arrangement of that one for years.  Weren't
they DQ'ed for an age violation around that same time period ('75?)?

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jpm@jareth.enet.dec.com
Subject: RE: Drills and Drillwriting -- Zingali
Organization: DEC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:59:33 GMT


> Article: 838
> Subject: Re: Drills and Drillwriting
> Message-ID: <1992Jul27.205022.1@vax1.umkc.edu>
> From: eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:50:22 GMT
> Sender: root@parsifal.umkc.edu (Parsifal Administration)
> Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
> Lines: 30
>  
> I have two personal favorite drill writers:  George Zingalli and Steve
> Brubaker.  Both have the ability to integrate the visual and aural aspects of
> a show into a jaw-dropping package.  Zingalli, in my opinion, is the best at
> pure motion.  
> .
> .
> . 
> I love both of these designers.  Each is moving the activity in a different 
> direction.
>  
> Eric L. Putnam

I'm sure it's been posted here before, but Zingali died earlier this year.

At the DCE finals in Boston, his mother presented high visuals to the Cadets 
in honor of George.

Jim Mac
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: Bridgemen
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:34:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.145208.8041@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, jpm@jareth.enet.dec.com writes:
> When the Bridgemen were DQ'd in '77 there was a long-running rumor that it was
> people from Phantom who had ratted them out.Then there was supposedly a "feud"
> between the two corps for years. Does anyone know the whole story?

I have also heard this rumor about Phantom...this corps continues to
amaze me!

Tom
---


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: Ben w/ no real email address  : (
Subject: DRUM CORP DOCUMENTARY
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:21:30 GMT

Hello to all of you Drumcorp fans.  I got interested in Drumcorp years ago, as
I had friends in THE MADISON SCOUTS.  Now, I am a filmmaker.  I am intersted in
doing a documentary on the drumcorp experience --- actually spending an entire
season with one corp, from the first practice through DCI.

If anyone thinks their corp might be interested in this, please put whoever is
in charge in touch with me via the U.S. Mail (as my email has no mailbox, and I
am rarely able to check the postings).  Here's my address:

Ben Hershleder
UPSTART Productions
4831-D North Goldenrod Road
Winter Park, Florida 32792

I think this would be great exposure for the corp and for all of drum corp in
general.  I look forward to hearing from you all.  Thanks in advance.

Ben
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:25:24 EDT
From: <DER107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Drum Corps T-Shirts
 <1992Jul27.202415.15158@vaxeline.ftp.com>
 <1992Jul27.214227.12273@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>

2
In article <1992Jul27.214227.12273@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp
(26129-vandewater) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul27.202415.15158@vaxeline.ftp.com>, kal@vaxeline.ftp.com
>(Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>> All this discussion reminds me of a tee-shirt the Cadets sold at their
>boothe
>> a couple of years back:
>>
>> Thomas Merton, in his book, "Love and Living," spoke about this drive to
>win.
>> "What I am saying is this: the score is not what matters. Life does not have
>to
>> be regarded as a game in which scores are kept and somebody wins. If you are
>> too intent on winning, you will never enjoy playing. If you are too obsessed
>> with success, you will forget how to live. If you have learned only how to
>be
>a success, your life has probably been wasted. If a university concentrates on
>> producing successful people, it is lamentably failing in its obligation to
>> society and the student themselves."
>
>So the t-shirt said all that?  I think I'm lost here...what did the shirt
>say?  It musta been a BIG t-shirt!! :-)
>
>Tom
>---
>
>
Since 1989, the Cadets have put out a t-shirt with some relevant quotation
each year. I've bought them each year, because they're one of the most
unusual t-shirts in the activity.

The '89 shirt was quoted above.
1990: "I wish you could have heard their song as they marched. It was
very exciting. But I thought it was only marching music, just a song
and no more. Until I got there. I know better now." - J.R.R. Tolkien

1991: "Time cannot be influenced by mankind. It gives each of us a
beginning and an end. And this makes us question the significance of
what comes between. But if you can create something time cannot
erode, something which ignores the eccentricities of particular
eras or moments, something truly timeless, this is the ultimate
victory" - A Porche Commercial (I think)

1992: "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does
not exist in nature, nor do the children on men experience it. Avoiding
danger is no safer in the long run than exposure." - Helen Keller

Since we've all hashed the various corps performances to death, I propose
a new question: Who deserves to win high T-Shirt this summer? Best
drum corps T-Shirt of all time? I'd nominate the "Anybody but Garfield"
shirt from the 1986 Cadets. (It explains that since everybody was thinking
it that year, why shouldn't the Cadets be the corps to make money off the
idea)

-Doug Rank
1990 Reading Buccaneers
1991 Cadets of Bergen County
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Oldtimer new to network
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.175625.26772@exu.ericsson.se> exujsch@exu.ericsson.se (Johnny Schmittou T-EEG x7887 Dallas) writes:
>
>I didn't see if anyone had mentioned these guys, but how about
>"The Muchachos" from Hawthorne, New Jersey?  (Around say, 1976?)
>We (my high school marching band) had an album recorded live from
>a contest with that corps on it.  They did a tune called "Pictures
>of Spain" (I had also heard this referred to as "Off the Line"?)
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, Johnny.  As far as I've been marching, off the line is a phrase
used to describe the opening, or first song in a show.  Anyone else
have this or other interpreptation?


>that was just incredible.  Near the end of that tune, on the
>recording you could hear the warning gun go off and then the tempo
>instantly accelerates by about 50 MM to a phenomenal finish.
>--
>___________________________________________________________________________
>Internet....: exujsch@exu.ericsson.se | "Everything I say is the absolute
>Real life...: Johnny Schmittou        |  Gospel...  Nah, just kidding."
>Virtual life: Q-man   ---<<<I'd rather be drumming.>>>--- Dallas, Texas USA


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: More DCIBot info. (Easier commands)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:54:31 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

In a previous article, bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:

:Sounds pretty interesting. I hope this doesn't sound to ignorant, but how
:do you get on?

Well, if a client is installed on your machine, you should be able to just
type 'irc' to get on.

If you don't have IRC on you home machine, and you don't really feel like
compiling a client, I suggest telnetting to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu
This is an open, anonymous IRC client, meant for temporary use only.  Many
of the standard IRC features are not availible there.  Once you get
on type "/help" for info on the different commands.

For more information, check out the alt.irc newsgroup.
--
Michael Adams (aka StarWatcher)
+1 (217) 344-0709, +1 (217) 344-4857
StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (NeXT mail accepted)
wi.5467@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (anon mail)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps T-Shirts & No More Bashing
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Best T-Shirt of all time?  Best T-Shirt of the year?  I think both belong to
this year's new Devils' T-Shirt.  The one with the soprano on back.  All white
with a BD logo on the front, upper, left.  On back is the beautiful soprano
player that I think is from 1990's closer (Tommy-the final soloist).  This
shirt is definetly a work of art.  I have never seen the '86 Cadets T-Shirt.

Well, the idea of not bashing any more corps seems like a good one.  I'm tired
of having to defend them.  Luckily, though, on the Star defense, I had plenty
of help.  And I hope I get that kind of help with the Devils' defense as well.

Sorry if I offended anyone with my posts.  My intentions were to simply take a
different look and give the other side a chance.  Nothing personal.

IRC nick-BlueDevil

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: competitive spirit (was Re:Bridgemen)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 04:18:42 GMT

Hello, all... This is my first post to the internet, so please forgive me
if it ends up in the gormet cooking sections or something.

Anyway, as someone who has marched both Blue Devils and Phantom, I have a
few words to add on this subject. (BTW, I marched '83 and '84 Phantom and
'85 Devs.) After being totally abused and brainwashed in Rockford for 2
years, I am relieved to say that I finally had enough sense to go to a
corps that has a real winning attitute. I promised that I wouldn't get all
contoversial in my first post, but I'm on a roll, so... Ex. PR members
flame on. I would be interested in hearing from you. 

The attitude in Phantom when I was there was that the corps never lost a
show. We either won or we were "screwed". I really hated this, but it's
the attitude of the staff that is reflected in the attitude of every 
corps, and this was no exception, so I kept my mouth shut. All of these
guys still had an unbelievable chip on their shoulder about '77 - '79,
and they reflected that in everything they said and did. I hate to say
it, but when it comes to attitude, PR was the worst, and I couldn't agree
with Phantom bashers more.

Contrast this (sharply) with the somewhat more realistic outlook of the
Blue Devils. Mike Moxley simply was saying that it is ok to have goals.
If you don't meet your goals you don't have to slash your wrists or any-
thing, but one shouldn't be afraid to say "My goal is to be the best."
When we lost nationals in '85, I think everyone knew that we were beaten
by 2 better corps and accepted that. Nobody liked it, but we accepted it,
and I don't think anyone felt that the season was a loss.  

I could go on with this forever, but you get the idea...Would be interested
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Charlotte NC Show
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:17:35 GMT

Well, anyone who noticed the time of my post from the Charlotte show
knows that I didn't get in until 2:30am or so, so I'll give brief 
comments now:


Nite Express 

Who are they? Nuff said.  A "nice" little corps,
needs much growth, but still fun to watch none the less. Did a Blues
Brothers show.

Troopers

Crowd loved these guys.  I haven't seen in a few years.  They did a great
staging with the pit.  Put them on 4' risers in the field split, one on each
35 or so.  If you happen to sit in between 40's (I did) the mallet fills
produced a great "stereo" effect from getting different parts in both ears.
Nice overall, crowd wanted them to beat Dutch Boy.

Dutch Boy

Don't have much to say.  Not a bad show, but it didn't hold my interest
at all.  As I said, crowd booed the judges for putting them above Troopers.

Freelancers

They put on a heck of a perfomance.  However, when their score was annouced
they were about 2.0 behind POC performance (which lead me to think scores
may be low from different judging) but BD and Madison scored almost the 
same as POC so I'm not sure why they got flamed.

Blue Devils

Well, like a "naughty" woman: top-heavy and a screamer.  (Pardon the pun,
I thought of it while driving home, and it fit).   But in all reality, they
played their butts off and this is exactly the kind of show the Devils do
well at.  Contrary to other posts, their drumline did a nice job and yes,
they played a standstill after the show.  I moved to the 50 for the 
standstill- first time EVER a hornline gave me a headache-they were LOUD
(when you're only about 50 feet away, it's deadly)

Madison

These guys managed to go on last even though it was listed different in the
program.  OK, I'm not a DCI judge, so in my opinion and definitely the crowds
these guys were awesome and I thought it would have beeen closer between
them.  But I'm no judge...  Anyway, this crowd LOVED Madison and their
brass can hold their own against the Blue Devils.  A great show and 
performance.



My tidbit for the evening:
I'm driving home, it's about 12:30am and I've got another hour to go. So I
stop to get me a Coke and some candy to keep the eyes open.  I get back
in my car and pop out the DCi tape as I was getting bored with it.  And
what is playing on the radio?  I swear: "When a Man Loves a Woman".  It
must have been an omen......


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu (Jay Glover)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DATR scores and comments
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:37:01 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Jul20.144403.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> In article <DRAPEAU.92Jul19040056@oglala.Stanford.EDU>, drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:
>> Hey, this Steve guy is pretty funny.  Do you think he'd be willing to
>> post his own review, too?
>> 
>> 	George
> 
> 
> I called Steve to see if he wanted to submit a review, he had this to say:  "At
> times it was insperational and loud, other times it was sexy and not loud, but
> mostly it was green."  

That was incredible.  I mean...  What talent!  What depth!  SO it wasn't
a traditional review.  Maybe the fans didn't like it or didn't understand
it.   But he's pushing the envelope.  He's out there on the edge, 
advancing the state of the art.  

You just need to read it more than once to appreciate it.  Go back, read
it again.  Note the juxtaposition of the "loud" theme against the
"not loud" theme.  And the climax with "green."  

I noticed some minor execution problems in the "inspirational" section.
But other than that...  You have to appreciate this ambitious review.
It may not win at finals, given the strength of some of the traditional
reviews, but it's sure to make the top six.

 - jay g.
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