From: botelle@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: The neverending thread
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:04:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1balakINNqu3@agate.berkeley.edu) sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:
)In article <92534@netnews.upenn.edu) botelle@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle) writes:
))I really don't care where you play.  You were the one who said that "we"
))should tremble in fear.  I really don't think you're a significant enough
))player that I should be concerned where you play.  I mean, if you were
))better, I would like to play against you, for the challenge.  But now, I
))only want to play against you so I can kick your ass.
)
)As you pointed out earlier, we don't play on the same servers.  So,
)you'll forgive me if I think you're talking out of you ass.  In any
)case, the "Tremble in fear" quote is from SFOP's borg ID message -- it
)wasn't intended as a personal snub.  Lighten up.

I have played against you (on bezier) and was unimpressed.  After a while,
I mentioned to you how stupid I thought your mods were.  You suggested that
if I didn't like your server that I left.  I did.

))))Ogging clueful people is NOT easy.  Then again, you wouldn't know, given
))))your server preferences.
)))
)))Ogging clueful people is trickier, but suiciding on them, in a
)))dogfight if not in a cloak-attack, is relatively easy.  Even if they
))
))Clueful people will not dogfight in a competitive game.
)
)Good.  Then they'll be easy to kill as they ignore me.  Anybody can be
)forced to dogfight, or run away.  People who run away aren't very
)effective planet takers.

This is not true.  I can cloak (before tactical) and try to just blow by
you (something that would probably work with you); I can move toward a 
teammate and let him kill you; or I can run around you.

))                                                         Ogging clueful people
))who have kills with intent to carry, or are in fact carrying is not easy.
)
)Sure.  But if I can't get them on the first pass, I'll follow them around,
)and keep them from using the armies, while alerting my team.  That's why
)suiciding on them as a policy is bad -- you're dead, and if they survive,
)you're not around to stop them.

Not true.  If they don't run, then you stand a good chance to cripple or kill
them.  If you hang around, then you're escort bait.

))I can not be ogged while carrying.  I can be stopped on the way to the planet.
))I can be killed while picking up to prevent an enemy core planet from popping,
))or while ghostbusted, but I can not recollect a successful ogg on me by less
))than three enemies within the last six months.
)
)Well, again you'll forgive me, but I'll bet you've just got a bad
)memory.  Anyone who's seen Justin play recently care to recall some
)examples to the contrary?

Yes.  Anyone?

))If you are being ogged, simply run away from the ogger.  He will have to
))uncloak (or run out of fuel).  Phaser lock him and kill him.  (When you
))run, try to run perpendicular to the wall).  After a while, you can ususally
))keep oggers away from your tactical until you make a move for a planet
))n(at which time, they become defenders).
)
)This works against total 'tards who run at you at high warp, and no
)one else.  And, if they don't just die, it sounds *suspiciously* like
)dogfighting to me...

Newsflash:  Oggers are usually cloaked.

)))run away, you've neutralized them until they can get you off their
)))tail.  So, it becomes a question of teamwork.  But I maintain that
)))ogging (perhaps I should say "killing someone when you don't care
)))whether you live or not") is easy, as long as you are (a) willing
)))to harass them for a while, and (b) a reasonably good dogfighter.
))
))Stupid.  Clueless.  Appropriate only for 1-1 games or against people
))without clue.
)
)Works.  Fun.

This is getting nowhere.

)))By the way, I find your comment about maturity interesting,
)))considering how personal you're taking this, and how ad hominem your
)))attacks have become.
))
))I am not taking this personally (learn to use adverbs, scott), and my post
))was not an attack on you.  It was a simple refutation of all your points.
))Becauser your position is untenable, it appears as if I am personally "
))attacking" you.

)Or, it's because you repeatedly use words like "stupid".  One or the other.

I have no control over your mental faculties; I merely observe.

)I have grown tired of this thread.  You are convinced you are right,
)and can admit no other alternative.  You are abusive and think that
)bare statment of opinion ("Stupid.  Clueless..." above) suffices as a
)"simple refutation" of all my points.  Since there is no way to reason
)with you, I'm done posting on this thread -- I've made my points.

A call for a detailed debate from Scott "I have spoken" Drellishak.
I agree.  This thread should end.  

)| Scott Drellishak   sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com                          |

Justin "I am bored *" Botelle

* - 3rd space robot (of course, having not played at bronco, you would
not know the meaning of this).