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From: doconnor@pima.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: VCIIRS upgrade
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:44:20 GMT
Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: ttkunat@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov's message of 10 Apr 92 13:51:00 GMT


ttkunat@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (DAVE KUNATH) writes:
]
]	 About two months ago I received a letter from Showtime satellite 
] networks (who I subscribe to) concerning the VCIIRS upgrade to customers of 
] Showtime.  In the letter, they said that General Instruments would sent me 
] a letter telling me to call a number to receive my free VCIIRS module.  I 
] haven't received anything, and I'm wondering if anyone else on the net has 
] received contact from G.I. yet ?  

GI has an ad in the inside cover of April's Orbit. From the contents
of the ad, I'd say don't worry about it till May.  Then we'll see
what GI's next ad says. If it's the same ad, I'm going to call them.
--
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From: juergenb@ecs.comm.mot.com (Juergen Bartels)
Subject: Re: French digital radio decoder info needed
Organization: eng
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:21:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.141911.8640@cetia.fr> philip@cetia.fr (Philip Peake) writes:

>That was the idea. They thought that by using a "telecommunications" band,
>people would not be able to receive it.
>
>I really wonder how they get away with the copyright problem.
>They broadcast films etc non-encrypted, and covering all of Europe.
>(I suppose you could argue that "who wants to watch films dubbed into
>french, except the French ...").

There's a similar case in Germany, on Kopernikus there's a relay of ARD to
the East German states, because they have not a landbased line, yet.
This is not scrambled, I don't know how they get away with it.

On the other hand I believe that scrambling is only worthwhile
for English broadcast. The number of people who speak other languages
is definetly not as high. For those people it should be a kind of
promotion for that country, if you watch it, you learn more about
that country. This is how I learned Dutch, when living in northern
Germany I watched their TV and listened to their radio daily. 
Understanding Dutch is no problem for me anymore.

I'm learning Spanish now, and I'm unhappy that the private 
Spanish TV's are scrambled. Fortunately there's TVE and
many Spanish radiostations!

>	Side note: the French *hate* to use words which don't sound "French",
>	and so invent new words - like VCRs, they became "magnetoscopes".
>	Well, they used to have a TAX on magnetoscopes, an ANUAL tax !
>	When video recording on optical disks arrived, thre was a little
>	problem - no way could this be MAGNETOscope recording ...
>	There is no longer any tax ...
>

Very interesting !!!!!


>regret that move. There was the famous case of Christine Ocrent (I
>think thats how it is spelled ..) who was the best (personal oppinion
>maybe - but shared by many) TV news presenter / Journalist who
>walked out of the studio and resigned one day, when a few minutes
>before the news started, she was ordered to remove a story
>that the government didn't like ... she is back now, but it
>took some time.

I also remeber the case when during the news signon sequence they
put in 1 out of 25 video frames the picture of the then president
in order to influence people to vote for him. (Like some commercials
do)  It was mentioned in the news here in Germany.

>I also tend to object to the use of pressure on EEC lawmakers to
>enact laws/standards which favour products/technology coming
>from a single country - this is what France is trying
>very hard to do in forcing D2-MAC and HD-MAC down everyones
>throats.
                                  
I agree totally! In those cases it's always the taxpayer who
has to finance those adventures.

German goverment went alongside with France for a while to promote D2-MAC.
I think this has changed recently.


Jurgen



Jurgen Bartels   Taunusstein near Wiesbaden  Germany


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From: wrs@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Wolfgang R. Schulz)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: CNN
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:15:08 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence Hamburg

sdb@ukc.ac.uk (S.D.Burge) writes:

>I've noticed that during the ad breaks, there are adverts mainly for a
>European audience. Does this mean that CNN-I has several different feeds
>from the US for localised regions, such as one for Europe, one for Asia etc.
>or is CNN downlinked from another bird over the atlantic and re-uplinked
>say from London with the adverts inserted there.

>The quality of their VT material leaves a lot to be desired, but then
>again that's NTSC.


Stuart:

As far as I know, there is a permanent satellite link FROM the CNN
studios in London TO Atlanta now. But the whole of the program
comes from the U.S. directly, and definately: what we see on the
27.5W Intelsat comes directly from Atlanta, only beamed up again
in Luxembourg for ASTRA now. I do not know, whether those special
european ads are fed to Atlanta from London before they come back,
but they are not cut in in Europe and beamed up again. 

Also, when I visited CNN in Atlanta last year, there was ONE 
international continuity control for CNN-I only, where at times
the selection was made between Headline News or CNN, or Betcam
cassettes just for CNN-I, or still graphics were cut in when
ENG material from other international sources were used which
were not allowed to go back to Europe. That's why sometimes in
a report about - say Jugoslavia - we suddenly see just a rough map
of Jugoslavia while the audio abviously describes moving material.
This is for copyright reasons. I do not know, whether CNN-I opened
up a SECOND international control for Asia.

Hope that answers your questions.

Regards,
Wolfgang
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From: mbn@fps.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Cricket on satellite
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: mbn@fps.com
Followup-To: rec.video.satellite
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Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon

The South Africa vs. West Indies matches have been shown on W5-22,
starting at 09:30 AM EST.  The test match (five days) begins 18 April,
probably at 10:00 AM EST, so you might watch for it there.  The
transmissions have been unscrambled.

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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:47:27 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <lopez!flash@SHARKEY.CC.UMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Studs
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>Can someone please let me know when and where the feed for the
>show "STUDS" is?  Thanks in advance.


It is in history.  No longer shown.  Kaput.  Out of here.  No more.

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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:50:38 EDT
From:         Bill Jones <wejones@CRDEC7.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Where to get 2 ch audio rcvr?
X-To:         "HOMESAT - Home Satellite Technology" <HOMESAT@vm1.nodak.edu>

>
> Run don't walk to your telephone and call  1-800-366-4010.  Shop at home.
> They have the Janeil SA-200 stereo processor with digital readout for $39.  I
> paid $69 for mine and it was worth every penny of that.  Better hurry there
> are not many left.  This is the best bargain I know of.  The unit has
> fantastic sound.

I was watching them demonstrate this unit last week, and from what I
saw, it did not cover the whole band from 0 - 8 MHz, but only the
typical 5-8 MHz.  I beleive the original poster specified 0 -8.
On the other hand, for the price, you can't go wrong, and it could
possibly be modified.
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite,sci.electronics
From: juergenb@ecs.comm.mot.com (Juergen Bartels)
Subject: Re: antiope-txt from french tv5?
Organization: eng
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:36:49 GMT

In article <IISAKKIL.92Apr9233209@lesti.hut.fi> iisakkil@lesti.hut.fi (Mika R Iisakkila) writes:
>
>Your TV set probably has the internal SECAM to PAL transcoder before
>the teletext decoder. Although the trancoding is relatively simple to

I've got the DIGIVISION, the signal routing is not the problem. The 
uP is programmed not to allow access to teletext when the mode is SECAM.
There's no transcoding taking place in the TV. Decoding is done
by two signal processors one for PAL/NTSC and one for SECAM.
Pretty neat stuff in there.

Jurgen



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From: sdb@ukc.ac.uk (S.D.Burge)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: antiope-txt from french tv5?
Keywords: antiope,tv5
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: sdb@ukc.ac.uk (Stuart Burge)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <pelle.702388304@vipunen.hut.fi> timo.pelkonen@hut.fi writes:
>1) Does tv5 send txt-tv/ceefax/whatever ?

I've never been able to get any.

---

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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: LVTN's first week on the air.
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 04:11:38 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>
>>> Gary Bourgois (flash@lopez.uucp) writes:
>>>
>>>LVTN is getting even cheaper than the already appear to be. The
>>>800number is now gone.. I have yet to see anything on this channel aside
>>>from a LTVN logo.

UPDATE!  

LVTN has a 800 number now!  I guess they just used the 702 number as a 
temporary number while they moved from Florida to Las Vegas.

Robert

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From: jvz@cci632.cci.com (John V. Zambito)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: software for tracker VIII+
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:43:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

I'm looking to get new software for my Tracker VIII+. 
It's especially important after this upcoming satellite
shift. Does anybody have an experience they would like
to relate conserning upgrading their IRD software. The 
most important thing I hope to get out of this is having
the correct relationship between favorite channels and 
actual satellite they are on. I know I could change these 
by hand but I'd rather not, due to the scale of the changes.

I'm really jvz@cci632.cci.com
From: cheeks@edsr.eds.com (Mark Costlow)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: VCII+ Subscription Problems
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: cheeks@edsr.eds.com
Organization: EDS Research

In article <ANDRE.92Apr7143518@farside.slc.mentorg.com>, andre@farside.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.041105.15036@edsr.eds.com> cheeks@tantalum.eds.com (Mark Costlow) writes:
>    >I would like some info on exactly how the VCII+ system works.  ...
> 
> 	   One minute, everything if fine, the next minute ALL of my pay
> 	   channels become unavailable.  [...]
> 
> Mark,
> 
> 	I have a VCII+ and have *never* seen the problems you describe.
> You have one or more of the following problems:
> 
> 	- You may have a bad IRD.  If it "forgets" it's authorization, you
> 	may lose until you get hit again.
> 
> 	- Your programmer may periodically deactivate your system for what-
> 	ever reason.
> 

When I finally got ahold of my programmer, they said it was either a
problem with my IRD, or my IRD hadn't gotten a "hit" recently enough.  He
said that a power glitch could have confused the IRD.  I don't have a good
surge suppressor on that line currently -- will get one soon :-)


> All the VCII descramblers receive their authorization codes periodically.
> It's suggested that you leave your IRD on, and turned to a VCII transponder
> when not in use.

The big piece of information missing in my picture of how this system works
is a definition of "periodically".  The guy at Jones told me it was more
than 2 weeks, maybe a month, but he doesn't know.  He also said that the
system would still operate if it missed 2 or 3 hits, but would deactivate
after that.  I spend considerably more time on NON-VCII stations, and I
almost always leave the system on a NON-VCII transponder when I go to bed,
so I'm really surprised that I've gotten *any* hits if they are that
infrequent.


>  There is a field in the setup-0 window (diagnostics) that
> shows how many times your system has been "hit".  The 0 key clears this
> field.
> 

Ok, I checked this out, and there are about 3 fields which reset when I hit
"0".  All of these fields are counting at a pretty high speed (like more
than one tick per second).  This conflicts with a 2-week hit-frequency.  Do
you know what the frequency really is?  Does anyone have an explanation of
the setup-0 screen?  I've deciphered a couple of the subscription
indicators in the lower-left corner but that's about it.

Thanks,

>>Chx
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From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: British election feeds
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:51:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Anyone have any suggestions for likely places to find election coverage feeds
from the UK tomorrow (Thursday) evening, other than Stuart Kingsley's home :-)?

My Intelsat reception is not good enough that I could watch it for any length
of time, so I'm probably restricted to US and Canadian satellites. Maybe
PanAmSat.

gary
From: cue@apple.com (Eddy Cue)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: satellite tv guide channel
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:10:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

What ever happened to the satellite tv guide channel? Is it is still available,
how much does it cost, comments?

Eddy Cue
cue@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: huopio@lut.fi (Kauto Huopio)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Intelsat VI-F4
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:15:10 GMT
	<1992Apr15.081242.14971@mcshh.Hanse.DE>
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.
Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.

In article <1992Apr15.081242.14971@mcshh.Hanse.DE> wrs@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Wolfgang R. Schulz) writes:

> Thomas, I doubt that very much. The 27.5W transmission are the SOURCE
> for many services. Even the ASTRA broadcast is taken from the 27.5W
> in Betzdorf, Luxembourg. So what you see on ASTRA is a dubble-hopp.
> Also the russian relay is taken from there, and thousands of dishes
> which CNN had installed at hotels, institutuions, embassies etc.
> Wolfgang.

Yes, but if I have understood it correct, CNN is going to use a C-band
transponder at 27.5W, with a lot wider beam after April 30th. So, CNN
will still cross the Atlantic via 27.5W, but via C-band after April
30th. This is how I read between the lines from Supertext, page 270.. 
	Now when CNN will go to one of the Arabsats, I guess that
signal is also originating from 27.5W C-band transponder. Someone
reported that there are different ads on the Astra feed? Can anyone
confirm this? If this is true, are the ads inserted in Betzdorf or
where?

--Kauto
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:46:09 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <lopez!flash@SHARKEY.CC.UMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SURPRISE, SURPRISE !
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>CNN Intern'l is on ASTRA since Friday, April 10th. Totally unexpected
>out of the blue. Transponder 28, with a Betzdorf FuBK Testpattern for
>some days, and the ASTRA Info Computer output for some time, now
>carries CNN International. This is a big step for CNN, and I guess
>congratulations are in order!

And I assume it is NOT SCRAMBLED.  Of course we Americans can not view CNNI
no matter what we do, and we must PAY to see CNN and CNN headline news
(Except for the free morning feeds of CNN headline which are for TV stations)

Typical.  Just TYPICAL!

So yes, congratulations!


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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: dcox@ssd.kodak.com (Don Cox (726-1919))
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Which IRD?  Help me decide.
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:21:14 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <CHARLES.92Apr4185121@netcom.netcom.com> charles@netcom.netcom.com (Charles R. Hoynowski) writes:
<My quick 2 cents: Don't buy anything for GI, ther're ruining the satellite
<indistry  ...

Great, and I just bought a GI 2730R. Since I have never owned a satellite dish
before, I can't compare it to anything. I am very pleased with the picture and
the features it offers. Did I make a big mistake or what? Why is it ruining the
industry? Thanks in advance.

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From: juergenb@ecs.comm.mot.com (Juergen Bartels)
Subject: Re: SURPRISE, SURPRISE !
Organization: eng
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:46:10 GMT

In article <4193@gos.ukc.ac.uk> sdb@ukc.ac.uk (Stuart Burge) writes:

>>carries CNN International. This is a big step for CNN, and I guess
>>congratulations are in order!
>>
>Is the feed the same as on Intelsat VI-F4?
>
>Also, is CNN Radio present on one of the stereo subcarriers as all I
>can find is the main TV sound on 6.5/7.02.

Yes the feed is the same, but apparently some different commercials gets
inserted. 
It appears that CNN want to attract the general public, because I don't see
as much hotel info, therefore they insert other commercials.

CNN radio is not there.

Jurgen



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From: wells@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wells)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:54:43 GMT
Subject: Where to get 2 ch audio rcvr?
Organization: Zanzor of the CLOUDS
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite

Hi,

  I am in the process of installing the "Jim Bass does it again" sat system
and have a question...

  I noticed that the IR/D has only mono audio output (stereo only with the 
VC decoder) and what I'd like to know is whether or not someone sells an FM 
reciever that has 2 tuneable channels that go from 0 to ~8 mhz.  I would 
connect it to the baseband out put jack and go from there.

  This is a hardware project that I could easily hack together but I am lazy 
and might find it a lot easier to buy one if such a beast exsists.

  I love installing stuff in the springtime when it is raining!  Lots of fun
digging up the back yard an running the cables and getting all muddy.  Who
sez that electronics for a hobby is a clean pasttime?  ;-)

		John in dsa Fort
From: wpns@pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Which IRD?  Help me decide.
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:17:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: pictel.1992Apr8.171712.1152
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <CHARLES.92Apr4185121@netcom.netcom.com> charles@netcom.netcom.com (Charles R. Hoynowski) writes:
>My quick 2 cents: Don't buy anything for GI, ther're ruining the satellite
>indistry and you should look into the Zenith 3000 IRD, said to have
>the best picture in the business.  I've got one and I've been very
>happy with it.

Doesn't the Zenith IRD have a GI descrambler in it?

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com
From: neal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: VCII+ Subscription Problems
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:46:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Sounds like you problem may be more with Jones than with your VCII+.  With
HBO, they have an auto-rehit number you can call and rehit yourself!  I had
to use it once and it worked like a charm.  Its one of those menu driven
systems where you answer yes (1) or no (2), put in your HBO acct number, and
your VCII number.  Once done, you get an immediate rehit.

Only potential problem would be if you don't have touch tone service.
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From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Subject: Re: Which IRD?  (GI's Monopoly)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:36:15 GMT

In article <35083@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.171712.1152@pictel.com>, wpns@pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes...
>>Doesn't the Zenith IRD have a GI descrambler in it?
>
>Yup, all IRDs have a GI descrambler, or one built under license to GI.
>
>GI have an unregulated monopoly on the Videocipher scrambling system that is
>used to encode cable and direct to home satellite signals. Some people do not
>like the way GI have manipulated the market and refuse to buy their products,
>or at least their IRDs, as a result.
>
>gary

The bad news is that ONE company supplies the descrambler.  The good news
is that you only need one descrambler.  
I have not developed an opinion on GI like I have TCI (who, in my opinion
has done more detriment to the satellite industry than GI).  Without TCI,
you wouldn't need GI.  Who knows, could there be a relationship there? 
--
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From: cue@apple.com (Eddy Cue)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: online tv guide
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:07:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

What ever happened to the satellite tv guide channel? Is it is still available,
how much does it cost, comments?

Eddy Cue
cue@apple.com
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:26:33 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <lopez!flash@SHARKEY.CC.UMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Where to get 2 ch audio rcvr?
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

John....

Run don't walk to your telephone and call  1-800-366-4010.  Shop at home.
They have the Janeil SA-200 stereo processor with digital readout for $39.  I
paid $69 for mine and it was worth every penny of that.  Better hurry there
are not many left.  This is the best bargain I know of.  The unit has
fantastic sound.
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