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From: mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: Diff between sym and hard links?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:22:46 GMT

Anyone?  What *is* the difference between symbolic and hard links in a
unix fs?  
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: What rc stands for in .cshrc
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: crigler@cs.ucf.edu (James Crigler)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:38:19 GMT

While I know it's more likely derive from "run commands" or the like,
I've always prefered to think of a .*rc as the "remote control" file.

cheers,
-dB

-- 
Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: CSC System Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:36:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.090749.6873@uhura1.uucp>, bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net writes...
> 
>It's also really nice to sit (site?) on a UNIX machine and
>    emacs /net/host/file
>where "host" doesn't have an editor you like, or to
>    cd /net/host/directory
>if you want to work with the files on "host"s disk without having to
>specify the path name all of the time.
> 

 If /net/host is just an NFS mount point for "host", then I'm not impressed.
We all know NFS.  I don't expect that every remote system that gives me an
account will also NFS export for me, nor am I sure I want to add any more NFS
traffic to my existing network.  If this isn't NFS, someone please explain
a bit more, because none of my systems will recognize such syntax in any other
way.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: corey@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.c.brown)
Subject: Re: vi editor
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:41:55 GMT
Summary: vi line numbers
Keywords: vi rule ruler editor

In article <1993Jan6.153020.26807@nmsu.edu>, wjohnson@nmsu.edu (Wilbur Johnson) writes:
> 
> A friend of mine asked me a question about vi that I was unable to answer.
> 
> He said that a long time ago he could load a MACRO into vi that would provide
> a column rule (i.e. column number indicator) that would appear as a side effect
> to his document. That is the ruler would act like line numbering.
> 
> We are particularly interested in SunOS vi.
> 


Try "set nu" in command mode and "viola" line numbers...


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: yo-yo dyne propulsion 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:48:50 GMT

In article <BznC5q.FFF@news.iastate.edu> john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
>mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
>
> I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?

it means that Novell reached an agreement with USL whereupon Novell will
take ownership of USL in return for some specified amount of cash. 

was this a trick? ;-)

james


Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: bryan@uhura1.uucp (A. Bryan Curnutt)
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
Reply-To: bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Stoner Associates, Inc./DREM Incorporated, Houston Texas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:07:49 GMT

In article <5JAN199308410371@author.gsfc.nasa.gov> rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:
>
> Its's really nice to site on a VMS machine and
>	edit node::file
> where "node" doesn't have an editor you like.
> I've done this to TOPS-20, RSX, ULTRIX, and AIX (kinet's implementation of
> DECnet).

It's also really nice to sit (site?) on a UNIX machine and
    emacs /net/host/file
where "host" doesn't have an editor you like, or to
    cd /net/host/directory
if you want to work with the files on "host"s disk without having to
specify the path name all of the time.

I've done this to AIX, DG/UX, HP-UX, SunOS, and Ultrix, using AMD (the
4.4BSD automounter).  Not quite as nice as having the semantics
integrated into the networking protocols (it doesn't work on my MS-DOS
or VMS machines, though they have TCP/IP), but nice nonetheless.

(Anyone have an automounter for DOS or VMS?)
-- 
Bryan Curnutt                                  Stoner Associates, Inc.
bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net       (713)626-9568 voice  (713)622-7832 fax
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: kan9691@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ken Niedermeyer)
Subject: Re: SCCS question
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:53:22 GMT

Sorry, what I ment was after was bumping the RELEASE number not the
version number.  So here is my question again:
: I am trying to bump the RELEASE number in SCCS so that when I check
: out programs (and check them in also) the RELEASE is 2 instead of 1
: example output:
:  
:           program.c:
:           1.1
:           14 lines
: before bumping the RELEASE number 

:           program.c:
:           2.1
:           14 lines

: after bumping the RELEASE number. 

: Please email me and I will post the information if others need it.

: Thanks!
-- 

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Ken Niedermeyer			| The views expressed above do not represent
Computing Systems Analyst	| those of my employer.... (but when do they?)
From: alan@hicomb.hi.com (Alan Greenspan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Mac uw Unix server programs
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:41:50 GMT
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: squid.hi.com

I'd like to bring up the uw terminal emulator v4.2 on a mac, but I don't
have the unix side server programs.  I also don't have ftp access.  If
anyone has the server side side source, I'd appreciate it if you could
email it to me.

Thanks,
Alan

-- 
Alan Greenspan			alan@hicomb.hi.com
Hitachi Computer Products
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams)
Subject: X11 and Windows NT (was: Windows NT Report)
Followup-To: comp.os.misc
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:14:21 GMT


I wrote:

>From article <1992Dec23.160416.2512@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams):
> 
> How do you mean this?  Will they actively try to stop 3rd parties from
> porting X to NT?  I don't think so...

Mark wrote:

In article <C0Do0q.pn@alsvid.une.edu.au> mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859) writes:>
>	For various technical reasons due to the way the screen is controlled
>by NT porting X11 seems out of the question.. It does require MS to do some
>work to the standard system to allow X11 to become possible..
>

I've gotten several responses that all say similar things; the screen
is very special under NT and no X11 server is possible unless MS
cooperates.  I've not heard any statement from MS with respect to X,
but given that they are supporting TCP/IP and Posix, it seems to me
they have at least a token interest in interoperability.  Thus,
providing at least some support for X clients seems to be in their
interests.

Consider this: Now that Novell has bought USL, they have an OS (Unix)
that is comparable to NT in many ways, superior is some, and much much
more mature.  The "native" window system for that OS is X11.  For DOS
boxes connected to Novell/USL servers, Desqview/X suddenly looks
attractive.  (Indeed, I'd not be at all surprised if Novell bought
Desqview.)  IBM has said that they will offer X11 support in a future
version of OS/2.  Suddenly, Microsoft is the only player without X11
support.  In my opinion, if they shun X11, they will do so at their
own peril.

I've set the Followup-To: to comp.os.misc, since this is not a
unix.misc discussion anymore.

Jim


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: muts@estec.esa.nl (Peter Mutsaers)
Subject: Re: X11 and Windows NT (was: Windows NT Report)
Organization: European Space Agency
	<1993Jan5.151421.24773@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<1993Jan9.034843.28167@athena.mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:33:30 GMT

>>On Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:48:43 GMT, vlcek@mtl.mit.edu (Jim Vlcek) said:
  Jim> We Unix lovers had better just face up to the obvious:

  Jim>   Microsoft has the power to enforce whatever standards it damn well
  Jim>   pleases.  When it comes to windowing systems, that standard is 
  Jim>   Microsoft Windows.

Why o why do so many people think microsoft can enforce this? They
have been very successful, but that was because they had the right and
unique product at the right time, without competition (there were
virtually no graphical environment alternatives available). But what
can make you so sure they can stand some real competition, now that
much more mature and longer OS like Unix. It took them years to mature
ms-windows, and windows/NT shall be just the same disaster in the
beginning. They will be years too late now that UNIX is penetrating
the PC market. And for unix X11 is the standard. However it wouldn't
be difficult to implement ms-windows look and feel (and API if you
need) for X11, for those that can't do without.
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers.         |================================================ 
muts@pmcs.estec.esa.nl  |        Quod licet bovi, non licet Jovi
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,alt.amateur-comp
From: rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: CSC System Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:15:00 GMT

In article <2B47AE81.1B7E@tct.com>, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes...
>According to rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler):
>>Personally I hope POSIX will catch on, and get real...
> 
>"There is another theory which states that this has already occurred."
> 
>I use three UNIX variants at work: SCO, AIX, and HP-UX.  I use one at
>home: Linux.  All four are POSIX compliant at the source level (which
>POSIX.# is that?), so that I customarily use termios and sigaction in
>my real code.
> 
>POSIX is not the future.  POSIX is the present.
>-- 

This is likely to be POSIX 1003.1 and POSIX 1003.2, which are based on UNIX,
and I have not seen anything calling itself UNIX which are not at least close
to compliant.  Most of the changes to get an arbitrary UNIX to be 1003.1 and
1003.2 compliant are simple additions to the .h files to add POSIX compliant
names.  VMS, MPE, and probably some other non-UNIX systems are now also POSIX
1003.1 and 1003.2 compliant (at least I know VMS is certified by the
appropriate body (NIST I think)).

Very many UNIX systems are not POSIX 1003.4 compliant, all of those which are,
that I happen to be aware of, use the Mach kernel to get there.

POSIX 1003.3 has some interesting problems in that it uses features commonly
available on UNIX to test 1003.1 or 1003.2 (I'm not sure which, maybe both),
thus forcing vendors to implement beyond the standard in order to pass the
test.

POSIX 1003.5 and higher are at best somewhat unstable draft standards, I
haven't heard anyone even try to claim compliance with any draft of these.
Until all currently proposed standards are at least in stable draft form, and a
great many vendors support them, I personnaly will have to consider POSIX to be
the future.

IMHO until the POSIX shell embraces more of ksh, its usablility is limmited
and I will rely on UNIX as a de-facto industry (almost) standard.

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Bob Koehler                     |   Any illusion to these opinions being other
rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov   |   than just mine alone is just that.

 " Life is life, and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die. "
                         - Blixie

Xref: sparky comp.unix.misc:4894 comp.unix.wizards:5395
From: klonz@copper.denver.colorado.edu (K Lonz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: ****  UNIX Instructors needed in HAWAII  ****
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:49:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Distribution: w
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

UNIX Instructors:

We have up to 4 positions for short term (contract) UNIX instructors 
working in Honolulu, Hawaii :).  Classes are 4 hours each afternoon.
Class sizes are < 12 students.  Course lengths are < 2 weeks each.
Instructors teach 3 or more classes beginning after March 1st and 
completing before September 1st.


We need instructors in 3 areas:

	Beginning UNIX

	Intermediate UNIX

	UNIX System Administration 


We pay salary plus expenses. 


Minimum qualifications:

	BS/MS in CS, MIS, or related field
	3+ years Operation/Application SUN OS/UNIX
	1+ year teaching/tutoring UNIX
	X-Window management
	X-Protocol experience
	X-Client Server experience

Send Resume and Salary History to:

	Ray Stout
	Computer Support Services
	1391 S. Argonne Circle
	Aurora, CO  80017-4418

by January 15, 1993

Thank you in advance and ALOHA!
-- 
Michael Klonecki                                     Life is a gift.
1391 S. Argonne Circle                               Choose wisely what to 
Aurora, CO  80017-4418                               do with your gift. 
klonz@copper.denver.colorado.edu
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:43:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: rmkhome.9301050843.02
Reply-To: rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <1993Jan5.054841.20809@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Peter.Mayne@cao.mts.dec.com writes:
>
>In article <9212250048.05@rmkhome.UUCP>, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>According to my friends who have to program for it, NT has no relation to
>>any operating system known to man, and they wish it would go away.
>
>Well, given the Win32 API based on the Windows API, and something that
>looks very similar to VMS internally, I find this very hard to
>believe.

I know about the Win32 API, but that's pretty much the GUI shell 
interface.  Yes?

If AT&T wins it's suit against BSDI, I wonder if DEC will decide to sue
Microsoft?

>>The Windows 3.x support on NT is such that a hacker could easily write a
>>Windows app that would walk right through NT's security.
>
>Please tell us more about this security hole.

From what I understand, Windows 3.x apps under NT ignore the permission
bits on files except for those already compatible with MSDOS.  This has
been discussed on comp.os.os2.advocacy, and the "very vocal" people who
post there from Microsoft have not attempted to refute this.

>Peter Mayne                     | My statements, not Digital's.
>Digital Equipment Corporation   |
>Canberra, ACT, Australia        | "AXP!": Bill the Cat

DEC Australia may be very bullish on Alpha systems running NT, but the
DEC people I know here locally ( Massachusetts - near "The Mill" ) seem
to think it is a joke.  They believe that OpenVMS and OSF/1 will sell
the Alpha.

My friends who will have to program on Alpha based systems consider the
October beta for Intel systems to be crap.

In a two page newspaper article that came from DEC marketing, they only
mentioned NT once, as an alternative OS on the bottom of the line $7000US
Alpha PC.  The availability would be sometime in 1994.

-- 

Rick Kelly    rmkhome!rmk@merk.com    merk!rmkhome!rmk    rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Symbol Table Full
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 19:56:34 GMT

  I am getting a c compiler error - Symbol tabel full: If anyone knows
anything about how to fix that, I would appreciate it alot! Thanks
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: X11 and Windows NT (was: Windows NT Report)
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:36:26 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1iocmlINN399@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss) writes:
>
>In a previous article, vlcek@mtl.mit.edu (Jim Vlcek) says:
>
>>williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams) writes:
>>
>>>Microsoft is the only player without X11 support.  In my opinion, if
>>>they shun X11, they will do so at their own peril.
>>
>Actually, Microsoft can't really stop it.  We've written an X Server for
>Microsoft Windows 3.1 and plan to do NT eventually.  Of course,
>everything it does has to go through MS Windows, which makes things
>slower than they need to be, but it works.  It just opens one big window
>(Microsoft type) and makes that the "screen".  The only real problem
>is that Microsoft windows isn't really a multitasking operating system
>in the same sense that Unix is.  Unix is preemptive, where as in
>Microsoft, a program has to give up control to let other proceses run.

I think the problem is in DOS.  Because DOS should run on a lot of kinds of
hard disks, it should call the ROM BIOS when doing IO.  The ROM BIOS is not
reenterable, i.e. it can not perform the asynchronous disk IO.  The
asynchronous IO is crucial to multitasking because another process can take the
CPU when one process is block in an IO.  In multitasking of Windows, if one
task is doing IO, all the rest should wait for it until the ROM BIOS IO
returns.  In Unix, the device driver is in the kernel, so the kernel bypasses
the BIOS to perform the low level IO.  When one IO is started, the kernel put 
the IO in a waiting queue and schedule another process.  When the IO is done, 
the device will interrupt the kernel.

This is a satiric paradox:  Microsoft has to make DOS run on every kind of
PC clone, hence it needs ROM BIOS to handle different kinds of hard disk.  The
ROM BIOS makes DOS compatable while makes real multitasking impossible, unless 
new reenterable BIOS is used.



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: rodney@tyrell.tynet.sub.org (Rodney Volz)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Organization: Tyrell, Stuttgart (FRG)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 08:59:58 GMT

In article <id.Q5CW.NO2@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <30DEC199208140923@author.gsfc.nasa.gov> rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:
>> >there are really only two variations, SysV and BSD (well, and SunOS, but
>> >i see that as sort of a SysV/BSD thing).
>
>>   So which one do you want to claim SCO falls into?

SCO just falls.

-Rodney
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: ylee@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond Lee )
Subject: Public-Access Unix in Bay Area (San Francisco)
Summary: Contact and Cost
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:25:57 GMT

Is there any public access unix systems in the bay area?  If you
know of any, could you please email their telephone # or internet
address.  Thank you.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: b77086@cc.ee.ntu.edu.tw ()
Subject: system error
Organization: NTUTaiwan
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:49:05 GMT

I am a system manager, and a problem about E-mail happened. Our system's OS version is 4.0.3c and the clients' 
is 4.1.2. So if we send E-mail in client directly, it have the following error messages:
cad6:[sendmail]unparable xxx@cad6....

I cannot kill it. I try all means I can use. But it does
not work. Just only reboot can solve it.
Anyone can help me.

E-mail address : changys@cad.ee.ntu.edu.tw

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,alt.amateur-comp
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:26:53 GMT

mckeeveb@monashee.sfu.ca (Gumby - The unknown user) writes:
>
>I use the zsh here at SFU, and find that it has all of those features as
>well.  I suspect the best is a matter of personal preference.
>
>I do agree that we're a lot better off since the days of sh. :-)
>

Here we go ... shell wars :-)

I use sh with a little thing called ile (input line editor - runs things
under a psuedo tty with emacs style line editing) which I've modified to
save commands to a $HISTORY fileCommand line editing with a small and
fast shell using not too much memory.
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,alt.amateur-comp
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:26:57 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler):
>Personally I hope POSIX will catch on, and get real...

"There is another theory which states that this has already occurred."

I use three UNIX variants at work: SCO, AIX, and HP-UX.  I use one at
home: Linux.  All four are POSIX compliant at the source level (which
POSIX.# is that?), so that I customarily use termios and sigaction in
my real code.

POSIX is not the future.  POSIX is the present.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: hkarhune@hydra.Helsinki.FI (Heikki Karhunen)
Subject: GNU C & comp. for Interactive
Organization: Department of Theoretical Physics, University of Helsinki,
	Finland
Distribution: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.msdos
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:43:47 GMT

I have a need for a C compiler for Interactive Unix. Preferably newer
than 1.4, with all the other needed thingies (as, ld, make).

The system in which I plan to use the said compiler has none at the
moment, so I need to get the necessary libraries and headers too.

If these can be found via anonymous FTP, I'd appreciate hearing from
where.

Thanks in advance,

	Heikki Karhunen
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