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From: lhoei@fwi.uva.nl (Liang Hwie Oei (I90))
Subject: Buku lagu-lagu Indonesia kecil
Followup-To: idem dito
Summary: A small Indonesian songbook
Keywords: songs
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Distribution: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:57:14 GMT
Expires: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:00:00 GMT

	=============================================================

				     BUTET

	=============================================================
	Who was that guy again who wanted the words of "Butet"?

	The text below I have taken from the cassette "Lagu-lagu
	Permata Indonesia". It was actually the first Indonesian
	music cassette that I have bought in the Netherlands; in the
	very same store I have been looking for P. M. Toers tetralo-
	gy.

	The guy behind the counter told me that this tape was very
	much used at "upacara-upacara yang besar" as to encourage its
	listeners in the spirit of integration and acculturization.

	As you probably know, real folklore is dynamic; meaning:
	words are transmitted by mouth to ear. Even on tapes you
	probably won't find two exact renderings of a folk song like
	for example "Si Jali-jali".

	Since I have enough problems in keeping track of one Bahasa
	Indonesia, I won't even think of trying to keep track of the
	other 3000(?) languages and dialects of the archipeligo. So I
	will leave this one untouched.

	The general content however, I will disclosure. The song is a
	lamentation about Butet who is either born or has died (I'm
	not sure any more - shame on me) in the revolutionary war. As
	you will expect, Indonesian pathos makes the addition of
	rifle fire in the musical arrangement inevitable.

	When you have learned this by heart, promise me to send a
	voice mail of your debut!

		    
	BUTET

	(nomen nescio, Sumatera Utara, zaman revolusi)

	Butet, dipangungsi ando apangmu ale, Butet.
	Damar Gurilla damar darurat ale, Butet.
	Damar Gurilla damar darurat ale, Butet.

	Butet, Sotung ngolngol anro hamuna ale, Butet.
	Paimatona manang surat ale, Butet.
	Paimatona manang surat ale, Butet.

	I doge doge doge (hi) dai doge (hi) doge (hi) doge.
	I doge doge doge (hi) dai doge (hi) doge (hi) doge.

	Butet, tibu do mulak au apangmu ale, Butet.
	Musunta ingkan saut do talu ale, Butet.
	Masunta ingkan saut do talu ale, Butet.

	Butet, haru patibu ma magodang ale, Butet.
	Asa adong da palang Merah ale, Butet.
	Da palang merah ni negara ale, Butet.

	I doge doge doge (hi) dai doge (hi) doge (hi) doge.
	I doge doge doge (hi) dai doge (hi) doge (hi) doge.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:22:59 GMT

In article <BxxFot.9wH@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
> 
> 
> >Bagaimana kalau perakit bahasa Assembly ?
> 
> Setelah saya pikir-pikir, asembler juga bisa dipakai. Saya mengambil
> analogi dengan "computer" -> "komputer".
>
Asembler lebih bagus daripada perakit bahasa Assembly. Lebih singkat.
Terus assembly-nya apa? Asembli?


Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Re: Multiculture 
Organization: INESC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:04:15 GMT

In article <BxtAC2.C1z@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
|> 
|> {Text deleted}

|> Ah, you haven't heard of the problem with the Native people.
|> There was a clash between the Natives and people in Quebec, it was
|> not pretty. Yet, human rights activists said nothing.
|> 
|> > The relationship between the Quebec and the other parts of Canada (mainly the
|> > anglo-saxons regions) is many times smoother than the relationship between 
|> > ET and Indonesia. 
|> 
|> Heh heh heh, I guess you don't know that some of them hate each other guts.
|> In some area in Quebec, signs must be in French only. You can't put signs
|> in English. Deal with that ...

I've heard some clashes betwen the Native people and whites in Canada. Yet, one
million flames is much better than a single bullit (and lots were shot at Santa
Cruz last year...).

|> > If Indonesia builds a similar agreement to East Timor she might get
|> > the same results there!
|> 
|> Well, Quebec is just one province, similar to the other provinces.
|> It's exactly like East Timor, just one province of Indonesia.

Similarity ends there!
Unlike Quebec, there is an occupation army in East Timor! Human Rights are not
respected in East Timor. Those who advocate independence in East Timor are
severely repressed (should I say killed?), unlike in Quebec. And I have not heard
any massacres in Canada.

|> 
|> One point we are all agree, that bloodshed must be avoided. Right ?
|>

Right! The only (and huge) difference lies how to stop the bloodshed.
I am still waiting for constructive proposals from the indonesian side. These
should be based on the fact that a large number (may be the majority, or may be
not) of Timorease reject the indonesian integration. I also accepted that the
delicate balance of peoples, cultures and so on in Indonesia should be respected.

All the best...

---Crespo
==============================================================================
|| .-. .-  .- || Rui Gustavo Crespo                                         ||
|| |_| |_  |  || INESC, Software Engineering Group                          ||
|| | \ |_| |_ || R. Alves Redol 9, Apart 10105, 1017 Lisboa Codex, Portugal ||
|| ~~~~~~~~~~ || Phone: +351 1 3100 204      E-mail: rgc@eniac.inesc.pt     ||
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From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:46:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) says:

>In article <lgpamfINNnbn@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono) writes:
>>	computation center = pusat komputasi
>>	computing center = pusat ??? komputing ?

>Sebenarnya saya tak terlalu faham bedanya computation dan computing. Saya
>selalu berfikir dua "pusat" tersebut adalah untuk melakukan "komputasi" atau
>kegiatan yang menggunakan komputer. Karena itu saya kira computation & com-
>puting bisa dijadikan "komputasi".

hmm... kedua kata 'computation' dan 'computing' berperan sebagai
'adjective' di sini.  pengertian 'computation center' lebih ditekankan
pada 'pusat perhitungan' dan berhubungan dengan angka-angka. 
pengertian 'computing center' lebih ditekankan pada 'pusat atau tempat 
untuk bekerja' (dalam hal ini laboratorium komputer).

bagaimana?


>Kalkulasi. Calculator -> Kalkulator.
>Payahnya, Calculate & Calculation -> kalkulasi.

bagaimana dengan yang ini :
calculate = mengkalkulasi (acts as a verb)
calculation = kalkulasi.
tapi, bukankah kata kalkulasi bisa diganti dengan hitung?
calculate = menghitung
calculation = perhitungan


-- 

"Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: christih@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (CHRISTIAAN HENRI K)
Subject: Re: Exit-permit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:26:06 GMT

rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

>D.Tambunan@massey.ac.nz (D. Tambunan) writes:

>>Saya mohon info tentang peraturan exit-permit terbaru di Indonesia. 
>>Apakah pemegang pasport biru (service passport) masih memerlukan exit-permit
>>sewaktu meninggalkan Indonesia? Saya akan kembali ke Medan dalam waktu dekat. 
>>Apa mungkin exit-permit (bagi pegawai negeri) bisa diurus di kantor imigrasi/
>>kehakiman di daerah tanpa harus pergi ke Deplu? Trims atas infonya.

>Saya dengar cerita katanya exit-permit sudah dihapuskan. Apa betul ?
>Dulu (3 tahun lalu) waktu saya pulang, masih harus mengurus exit-permit
>ke Deplu. Yang perlu diperhatikan: jangan lupa bawa surat dari kedutaan
>atau konsulat Indonesia yang menyatakan bahwa anda masih mahasiswa dan
>pulang ke Indonesia untuk urusan keluarga (libur ?). Juga jangan lupa
>surat dari sekolah yang menyatakan bahwa anda masih mahasiswa.
>Kedua surat ini penting sekali.

>Untuk memperlancar urusan (apabila exit permit memang masih dibutuhkan),
>kalau masih ada, surat penugasan anda belajar di luar negeri.

Saya baru pulang ke Jakarta summer yang lalu. Setahu saya emang exit permit
sudah dihapus sejak tanggal 17 Augustus 1992. Tapi ngga tau kalau ada 
peraturan baru. Paspor saya bukan paspor dinas. Tapi setahu saya juga ada 
yang namanya 'registrasi penduduk luar negri'. Bukan di konsulat indonesia
di US lho , tapi di kantor imigrasi di Indonesia. Tapi ini ngga (Ky, - ini
gua make kata dengan awalan 'ng'-he he he) susah. Temen saya bisa ngurus
ini di Cengkareng setengah jam sebelum berangkat -tanpa nyogok lho- 
Soal registrasi penduduk luar negri ini, saya agak kurang pasti.

Kesulitan biasanya bukan datang dari imigrasi Indonesia, tapi dari kedutaan
besar amerika yang di jakarta kalau anda butuh memperpanjang visa. Jangan
sampai lupa I-20.

Selamat berlibur.                          

Henri K. Christiaan                          
Electrical Eng. - University of Colorado at Boulder              
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:20:50 GMT

In article <1em76gINNf7f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus) writes:
>
>hmm... kedua kata 'computation' dan 'computing' berperan sebagai
>'adjective' di sini.  pengertian 'computation center' lebih ditekankan
>pada 'pusat perhitungan' dan berhubungan dengan angka-angka. 
>pengertian 'computing center' lebih ditekankan pada 'pusat atau tempat 
>untuk bekerja' (dalam hal ini laboratorium komputer).
>
>bagaimana?
>
Thank you for shedding some light on me...

Cuma sayangnya, dengan penjelasan itu saya masih tak menemukan padanannya 
computing.
>
>bagaimana dengan yang ini :
>calculate = mengkalkulasi (acts as a verb)

Ah, ini nampaknya lebih tepat, daripada sekedar "kalkulasi".

>calculation = kalkulasi.
>tapi, bukankah kata kalkulasi bisa diganti dengan hitung?
>calculate = menghitung
>calculation = perhitungan
>
Dalam kepala saya, kata "hitung" selalu mengingatkan "jari-jemari". Sehingga
saya pikir "hitung" itu lebih tepat untuk "count".

Kalau calculation = perhitungan, (ada kemungkinan) orang menerjemahkan
"Saya akan membuat perhitungan denganmu!" menjadi "I will have a
calculation with you!"



Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:37:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.102512.2430@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:
>In article <Bxw4y2.G0M@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>>
>>Mas Bambang punya istilah yang saya rasa lebih tepat : 
>>compile = rakit  
>>meng"compile" program = merakit program
>>compilation = (proses) perakitan  
>>
>Bagaimana dengan assembler? Assembly language?
>Kalau di automotif, car assembling biasanya disebut perakitan kendaraan
>bermotor.

Nah, ini dia! Kita justru mendapat keuntungan dari istilah
perakitan karena pada dasarnya assembler itu compiler juga,
hanya saja tingkatnya yang rendah. Jadi kita aman memakai
istilah perakit untuk assambler juga.

Dengan istilah perakit, kita langsung menerangkan: "perakit
adalah alat yang dipakai untuk merakit kode kompute berdasar
spesifikasi yang ditulis dalam notasi yang lebih mudah
dimengerti manusia."

"Proses perakit bisa bertingkat-tingkat..." dan seterusnya...

Dengan pengertian ini, kita bisa mempersatukan pengertian
assambler, compiler, 4gl preprocessor dan sebagainya.

Sudah lama saya hendak mengajak teman-teman untuk memikirkan
cara mengajar komputer sebaik-baiknya dalam arti secepatnya
menanamkan pengertian yang benar akan berbagai proses komputasi.

Salam, Bambang


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Re: Multiculture 
Organization: INESC
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:31:47 GMT

In article <Bxrp27.MJI@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

|> Amazing, you're not listening (reading) or what ? (I am getting tired of this).
|> It has been pointed over and over again. Schools in Indonesia are taught
|> in Bahasa Indonesia. In all part of Indonesia... So what's your problem ?
|> If bahasa Jawa (or bahasa Sunda or bahasa Batak or bahasa Bali or bahasa
|> Menado bahasa Ambon or bahasa Aceh or bahasa ....) only would be used as 
|> the teaching language at school, it would be a disaster.

Sorry, but you missed the point! The problem is that LOCAL LANGUAGES ARE NOT
TAUGHT. This, I believe (correct me, if I'm wrong), implies that local culture is
depreciated in favor of a "unite", but alien culture. In case of East Timor, the
local language is called tentum (not portuguese!).

|> Yes, but not all (most) parts of the world. Here in Canada (or even in the 
|> US if you're familiar with that country) there's people from different culture. 
|> (You name it, they got it). ...
|> Ever heard of Quebec ?  (If you ask most Quebecois, they
|> preffer to separate from Canada).

Excellent example for East Timor!

Yes, they have a different culture from the anglo-saxons. England recognized that,
and allowed them to have a say in their local affairs. They use french in their
schools. Their culture (obviously related to France) has been respected and there
has been no massacres to force the integration of Quebec inside the Canadian
federation!
If the quebecois vote for independence I believe no-one will stop them. Because
THEY ARE FREE TO STAY INSIDE OR BECOME INDEPENDENT, Human Rights are several
orders of magnitude better there compared to East Timor under the indonesian
occupation. And, despite the troubles you refer, Canada has remained united
without the need of bloodshed.
The relationship between the Quebec and the other parts of Canada (mainly the
anglo-saxons regions) is many times smoother than the relationship between ET and
Indonesia. If Indonesia builds a similar agreement to East Timor she might get
the same results there!

Again, I'm not claiming for independence. I only suggest that the relationship
between Indonesia and East Timor SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON FORCE, but only on
negotiations! Human Rights must be respected, and this includes local authonomy
in East Timor.

All the best...

---Crespo
==============================================================================
|| .-. .-  .- || Rui Gustavo Crespo                                         ||
|| |_| |_  |  || INESC, Software Engineering Group                          ||
|| | \ |_| |_ || R. Alves Redol 9, Apart 10105, 1017 Lisboa Codex, Portugal ||
|| ~~~~~~~~~~ || Phone: +351 1 3100 204      E-mail: rgc@eniac.inesc.pt     ||
==============================================================================


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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia/Bahasa Malaysia
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:06:22 GMT

nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:

> By the
>way, in Malaysia, "rumah sakit bersalin" is not "rumah sakit korban
>lelaki" :-) :-) :-).  Maybe I should make up a new joke about
>Indonesian language that "hujan" is "air kencing dari langit" hah?
>:-) :-) :-).

I used to share an apt. with  2 Malaysian (for a year). We used to laugh
at each others.
I laughed when they said "bilik air" (washroom), they laughed when I said 
"kamar kecil" :-)

We had a misunderstanding when one of the guy said "jemput".
I thought he's going to pick me up, it turned out "jemput" means invite.
Saya tunggu-tunggu kok tidak datang juga :-) :-)

Ini istilah yang mulanya agak aneh buat saya, tapi akhirnya terbiasa juga.
orang bule = mat saleh  = white person
lemari es = peti sejuk = fridge
guru = cikgu (spell?) = teacher

>So, what do you people think?

Ide bagus, bung. Sayang sekali Malaysian students darisekitar 50 orang
sekrang tinggal beberapa orang saja. Semuanya sudah selesai dan mengajar
(kerja) 'kat' Malaysia.

wassalam,
Budi R
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Berfikir Positif (was Re: Personal views on East Timor)
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:08:03 GMT

In article <SJGTBCKL@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
   ...
|Nonetheless, I feel conmpelled to speak up for the people of Timor Timur.
|There is a great deal of suppression, oppression, and even torture of
|dissidents which is completely censored by the media in Indonesia itself.

Suppression, oppresion and torture are exclusively reserved for the people 
of TimTim. Until Indonesian has a civilian government, these will not stop.
You'll find cases of suppression, oppression and torture in other parts 
of Indonesia.  


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: jimmyt@cs.tamu.edu (Jimmy Tirtawangsa)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:19:17 GMT

In article <Bxw5Fn.G6B@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>Mas Bambang punya istilah yang saya rasa lebih tepat : 
>compile = rakit  
>meng"compile" program = merakit program
>compilation = (proses) perakitan  

Menurut saya istilah ini kurang tepat untuk "compile"
karena kita sudah menggunakan kata  merakit mobil  untuk  "car assembly".
Atau dpl, merakit program = meng-"assembly" program

>advanced user =
>argument =           (as in   function(argument) )
>binary file =
  untuk istilah dengan dua kata seperti ini, kita bisa mulai dengan
  kata utamanya, yaitu "file".
  Saya sering menggantinya dengan  arsip, kemudian kita punya
  arsip biner, arsip teks, arsip grafik, dlsb.
  Sayangnya kata tersebut rancu dengan kata "archive".
>carriage return =
>cracker = (spt. "hacker" dibawah, ini menjadi) tukang bongkar
>editor =  (tetap) editor
>environment variable = (spt. "binary file", ini menjadi) variabel lingkungan
  karena kata variabel sudah umum kita pakai.
>full screen =
>hacker = (pada dasarnya ini adalah :) tukang utak-atik
>home directory =
  kata "home" disini memiliki kemiripan arti dengan "home base" dalam
  permainan baseball, yaitu ke direktori mana kita kembali.
  dan ini digunakan untuk membedakan direktori tersebut dengan
  "root directory"
  jadi saya usulkan: direktori awal (atau direktori asal) = home directory
                     direktori utama = root directory
>hypertext =

Kemudian juga bagaimana dengan:
default =
object-oriented =
computation, computational, computing, etc =
(seperti dalam numerical computation, computational geometry, computing center)
sehubungan kata diatas, hypermedia =
From: jimmyt@cs.tamu.edu (Jimmy Tirtawangsa)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.211413.26508@cs.cornell.edu> donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja) writes:
>computer) di Indonesia bisa mengerti apa yang dimaksudkan. Jadi, pakai saja
>istilah yang sudah popular di kalangan murid-murid dan professional 
>programmer di Indonesia. (Saya rasa mereka pakai istilah Inggris, tapi saya

Waktu saya belajar di Informatika ITB, ada satu istilah yang menarik yang
masih saya pakai sampai sekarang, yaitu compile, compiler, compilation....

kita menggunakan kata mengkompilasi untuk to compile,
dan kompilator untuk compiler.

jimmy
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
Subject: Re: Sport fans: Where are you?
Reply-To: ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:46:28 GMT

Jayhawk, you have better wait for Cyclones revenge in basketball.
We will kick you ass....... :)   (Nothing personal)
By the way anybody interested in talking about NBA.
I really-really don't like Chicago Bulls, I hope they
won't make it to the finals this season.
I am a fan of Portland Blazers. Too bad last year they got
beaten up by the 'obnocious Bulls'. 
I have a suggestion, instead of wasting our time reading and 
responding to ET matter, why don't we argue about our own 
ideal sports team. This is more fun than arguing about
politics, which will never reach any mutual solutions.
I have made a strong 'bad' statement about Chicago Bulls,
I am hoping that I will insulted the Bulls fans in this newgroup
so we can heat up the argument.

I am waiting for respond.

ftandiar@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Bahasa Indonesia/Bahasa Malaysia
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:03:28 GMT

Saya rasa Bahasa Indonesia dan Bahasa Malaysia patut digabungkan.
Kedua-dua bahasa ini mempunyai latar-belakang yang sama dan digunakan
oleh sekurang-kurangnya 250 juta penduduk di dunia.  Since the
countries in the Pacific Rim are on the rise, I think we should try
to globalize these languages (at least in our region).  Imbas kembali
zaman kesultanan Melaka dimana Bahasa Melayu menjadi "lingua franca"
di rantau ini.  This is our chance to enhance the importance of Bahasa
Melayu.  And, of course, I noticed that these two languages are not
that rich in scientific terms, but we should at least attempt to improvise
them. Lamguage is a dynamic cultural element.  If we have the
sensitivity to use it, the language will develop by itself.  By the
way, in Malaysia, "rumah sakit bersalin" is not "rumah sakit korban
lelaki" :-) :-) :-).  Maybe I should make up a new joke about
Indonesian language that "hujan" is "air kencing dari langit" hah?
:-) :-) :-).

So, what do you people think?


-Azlan Nordin-
  Penn State