From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Annoying, cloying "wann-be"s
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:26:07 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Nov5.185214.1563@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes...
>In article <1211@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

:>writing if they read it. They like the neat new zap guns and sorceresses with 
:>unrealistic big tits on the cover of a cheap paperback rag. Sexpoitation is 
:>RAMPANT in sci-fi/fantasy fandom! So instead of putting their adolescent 

>I've spoken to artists about this. They tell me that the publishers tell them
>to do it, and others tell me that when they draw realistically, stuff in the
>huckster room doesn't sell as much. At least in (adjective alert) some (end 
>adjective) cases, sales are proportional to breast size, and, for them, it
>comes down to economics. I do have hopes, however. Not *everyone* tries to
>draw like Frazetta anymore.

	Yes, once again the almighty dollar rules supreme and that proves my 
point again. The *mass* of sci-fi/fantasy buyers are interested in adolescent 
masturbatory fantasies and not what women and men are *really* like. It has to 
do with that stunded growth thing. Show the girl a big gun/sword/magic wand, 
kill a few bad guys and suddenly she's slavering to screw you. MOST of the 
sci-fi/fantasy books published these days are full of this kind of sexist 
crap (no, it doesn't stop at the cover!) and frankly it's only a little less 
nauseating than the people who read it.

>>>Finally, minor flame: Fen do *NOT* refer to sf as sci-fi (rhymes with Skippy).

>>	Hmm, a bit defensive? Yes, I know you have a term for sci-fi/fantasy 
>>fans that you'd like me to use, but I have been lectured on the proper thing 
>>to call people of this genre by many people and EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT 
>>NAME FOR IT. I'll stick to one that everyone can recognise, instead of 

>Name game? I've been in fandom a while, and sf is *always* acceptable, and
>skiffy has never been. What other names have you heard? Speculative fiction,
>as another de-acronym for sf? Still is sf.

	Other names for sci-fi/fantasy:	
Fantasify. Future fiction. Speculative fiction. Frontier 
fantasy. Sword and Sorcery. Scisworcery. Swify. Nasticom. 
Many many others too.

	Names sci-fi/fantasy fans ascribe to themselves:
Dwormaks. Conittes. Conners. 
Faens, Fen, Fren, Fanz, Fanzin. Dren. Drean. Drenners. Tek-scis. 
Whovians, whoies, wholens, Time-lords, Regulans. 
Trekkies. Trekkers. Trekkons. Trekkins. Trekulan. Federatives. 
The list goes on and on.

	Each one of the people who call themselves by any one of these 
names activly disavows the others and says they are the OneTrueName(tm) for a 
sci-fi/fantasy fan. They also calim their version of what the genera is to 
be the only accurate name for such. If I call a Trekkie a Fen, or any of the 
other names for a sci-fi/fantasy fan they scream. So I gave up after being 
yelled at for trying to conform to the desired names. Let the children 
fight it out amongst themselves. There's a new name every month, so why 
even try? *Most* (exceptions already noted in previous posts) of the people 
involved in this scene are not worth associating with anyway.

			- Ashley



ps: We have now thouroughly left the alt.pagan subject, so let's kill this 
string or return to the relevance to paganism. Thanks.