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From: FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Abyss on Laser Disc?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:57:44 GMT
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Carol D.,

Here's the info on the laserdisc vendor:

Laser Craze
33 West St.
Boston, MA 02111
(800) 828-3472

Laser Craze is the vendor I use most often.  They give very prompt service
(same or next day shipment when in stock), 10% discount on titles, and *no*
shipping/handling charges at all.

THE ABYSS is on a "pre-order" special through Oct 31st at about 20% off--
which puts it at about $80.00 if I remember, the list being $100.00
Yes, it's expensive--but it's almost three hours, all in CAV format (which
means complete frame manipulation with a standard, non-digital effects
player), and has been fully supervised and transferred by Cameron, who's
very meticulous and proprietary about how his films are presented.

If no one else does, I'll probably report on this new cut after I get my copy.

Jeff Clark
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Subject: Reviews
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:40:22 GMT
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Cinema-lites,
   I have an unusual request.  I need for some kind soul to e-mail copies
of my pres. & veep reviews to  me.  I have them in my "All" file, but I
can't seem to translate them to my printer from there.  I told some of the
members of my community about the responses from this list and some of them
would like to read them.  I wrote a similar request which contained my
picks for the Celebrity Presidential Candidates, but it ended up going to
one person instead of the whole list.  C'est la vie (or some French S**T
like that). Thanks in advance.  If someone sends them to me, please post
that info to the board to prevent inconvenience to others.  Thanks in
advance,
RDC,SJ
From: YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET (Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee, Eugene))
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Date: 16 Oct 92 15:47:18 GMT
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I found out later yesterday that the "special edition" of Basic Instinct will
be available on laserdisc in mid-November.  It contains the controversial
uncut ending and includes an interview with director Paul Verhoeven about the
making of the film with still photos, clips, and storyboards.  Also, outtakes,
script of alternate ending, director's commentary track, and more.

NC-17, digital stereo, surround sound, cc, side 4 cav, widescreen.

Approximate retail price:  $70.00

Euge
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From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Irish Music

Enya is DEFINITELY Irish--she sings in both Irish and English, and
has quite a distinctive vioce.  Lovely music!  I believe that she
used to sing with Clannad (I may be mixing things up here though).

Susan
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:54:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: WAR!!!

Actually, I saw OH WHAT A LOVELY WAR way back during the height of the
Vietnam War - There was a free showing at the Paris Theater off of
Central Park - It was sponsored by the radio station WNEW - I
liked it a lot at the time -haven't seen it since
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:28:09 -0400
From:         "Michael P. Gilly" <GILL7935@FREDONIA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: unemployed politicos

I just want to say that was the funniest thing I've ever read about
politics(even better than the debate commentaries).  You have the makings
of a great writer for SNL or In Living Color or something similar.

Mike
SUNY Fredonia
From: slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU ((Carol Slingo))
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Subject: Re: Basic Instinct
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:51:52 GMT
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              "CINEMA-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Oct 15, 92 8:48 am

I read somewhere (sorry don't remember) that there are no immediate plans
to release the European version of BASIC INSTINCT.

My guess is that they will when sales and rentals of the R version
eventually fall off.

But not until,

Carol
From: MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
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Subject: A few good movies
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:57:27 GMT
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            14-Oct-1992 06:29pm EDT
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SUBJECT: A few good movies

    UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD.
    I have often said and written here that I consider WINGS OF DESIRE one
    of the best films I ever saw. Having liked other Wenders' movies, I had
    some expectations for UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD. I found myself really
    enjoying it until the scene with the used car salesman set in San
    Francisco. It was so much out of tune with what preceeded, particularly
    those beautiful scenes set in Japan, that the magic was broken. Some
    came back when Jeanne Moreau and Max von Sydow appear. I felt that the
    story was coming to a natural end with the mourning scene. But then,
    Wenders adds another 20 minutes with the dream addiction subplot. That,
    IMO unfortunately sinks the whole thing. I found myself reaching for
    the remote with my thumb seeking the fast forward (but refrained to use
    it). (sigh)

    THE DOUBLE LIFE OF VERONIQUE.
    I liked the idea and the way it was developed. In addition, the
    photography was creative, the choice of that not really B/W-sepia-color
    look (is there a specific word for this?) fitting very well. great
    atmosphere.

    BILLY BATHGATE.
    A good movie, no more no less.

    TATIE DANIELLE.
    Loved it! This is a must see. (I may be biased because it brought a lot
    of memories. Although I never met anyone like auntie Danielle, there
    sure was a little of her in a couple of relatives and friends of my
    grandmother whom I met when I was a kid. And I bet many people have
    encountered similar characters.) This movie has just the right blend of
    comedy and drama. And throughout you're thinking "What is she going to
    come up with next?"
    based on previous experience, I'm sure we can expect an US remake
    pretty soon. I wonder who is going to play her?


    MICHEL
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Subject:      Re: WAR!!!

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     09-Oct-1992 03:56pm DST
                                        From:     Will K. Covington
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Subject: RE: WAR!!!

HEARTS AND MINDS is available from Paramount Home Video, 5555 Melrose Ave.,
Hollywood, CA  90038. The phone number is 213-956-5000. The list price is
$29.95.
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From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Medicine Man

  My problem with Medicine Man was not any connection it did or did not share
with Die Hard; my problem was that it was a clunker of a movie!  God almighty,
Lorraine Bracco's accent alone was enough to put me off my popcorn.

                                              Rob Rosenthal
From: slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU ((Carol Slingo))
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Subject: Re: UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD
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              "MDESCHUYTENE%SBCCMAIL.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Oct 14, 92 7:57 pm

I see that a few people have seen UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD by now.  I
liked it a lot.  I recently saw Jeanne Moreau's THE LOVERS (LES AMANTS) for
the first time since 1962.  At the time I didn't see the humor in it--now I
find it quite funny.  Anyway, it occurred to me that the woman she played,
who left her stuffy publisher husband for a freewheeling anthropologist,
might have turned into the woman she played in UNTIL...  Kind of fun to
make this connection.  Some of the reviewers of THE LOVERS saw the affair
as just another one-week stand, but not me.

Has Moreau been asked about it?
From: C1PH@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU (C1PH000)
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Subject: Akira
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:04:54 GMT
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My cousin, whilst in the Air Force, was fortunate to stumble upon a copy
of Akira. Akira is essentially the ultimate form of a person, named
after the person that achieved it. The movie follows the adventures of
various peoples: a rebel group, gov't agents and a motorcycle gang as
they struggle to gain control of a re-awakened Akira. Quite fascinating
in its scope and vision. It lays claim to some truly spectacular sound
and animation. The story has some herky jerky spots in the beginning. It
was based on a Japanese comic book of immense renown. If a person can
get a hold of this to view or own, I highly recommend. The copy that my
cousin viewed was the last one in Chicago. Akira is EXTREMELYHARD to
find. Good Luck!
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Akira is also getting the deluxe treatment on laserdisc by Criterion soon
(at about 125 bucks for a CAV-standard play package).

A couple other notes related to alternate versions of movies--the subject which
either delights or drives people crazy:

James Cameron is releasing on disc (don't know about cassette) his "complete"
version of THE ABYSS, just as he did with ALIENS.  It runs just under 3 hrs,
which is (I think without checking) at least a half hour longer.  I'm interested
   enough in the film to have put a copy on order, so I'll eventually report if
no one else does.  The just-released disc version of ALIEN also prompts some
more thoughts about alternate video versions of theatrical films, especially
since it was handled differently than ALIENS, but I'll save that for later, too.
   And Francis Coppola is preparing for Christmas release his disc version of th
   e
complete GODFATHER SAGA, now chronologically stringing together all three parts.
   Like critic Andrew Sarris, ever since I first saw this effort on TV, I've fel
   t
that (sacrilege!) this is really the natural and most effective form of the
films.  Normally I'd be suspicious; chronology seems so-o-o banal and simple-
minded.  But the breadth and depth of this American epic seems to "breathe"
well in this form; the echoes of theme, character and event engage the memory
and feelings across a very long running time in a way that's not as "manipu-
lated" as in the tricky construction of the individual films, particularly
the second with its generational paralleling.  Don't get me wrong: the first
two films still seemed wonderful in that form, but even better restructured.
Besides, one could argue that their original creation and release as individual
films was--as much as anything else--due to commercial and theatrical necessi-
ties in the pre mini-series days....

Enough for now.

Jeff Clark
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     07-Oct-1992 03:02pm DST
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Ah, it's all the same in the end.

Ellen
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From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: _Hero_

I haven't seen HERO yet, but MEET JOHN DOE is one of my very favorite
Barbara Stanwyck movies.  If I remember correctly, she played a very
similar role to that of the Geena Davis character.  She was a tough, gritty
newspaperwoman who manufactured a cult hero out of a homeless person
strictly for the sensational press it created.  Yeah, I guess it does
sound a lot like the HERO premise.

Adrian
Clemson
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      male-bashing--not

>This writer, boys & girls, exhibits all the symptoms
>of classic estrogen poisoning. Notice the fever,
>hallucination, violent sexual envy. Once that stuff
>gets into the neural nets -- well let's make sure we
>keep the patient far away from the scissors. The cure?
>Plenty of roasted pumpkin seeds and sassafras tea.

I get the feeling this respondent thought my original post was hostile
to men.  I'm sorry I was misunderstood.  I don't think wanting to be
ravished by several women or viewing pictures of anonymous naked women
are bad things, and I do think the desire to do these things has a lot
to do with hormones.  I'm also not interested in getting into a debate
about nature vs nurture because many people have very strong opinions
and the discussion ultimately goes nowhere.  I think men and women are
very different in certain aspects and that it has much to do with
basic biological differences.

I can imagine that the respondent is so used to seeing male-bashing in
the press and on TV that he immediately assumed that this was another
example of same.  Not.

Jennifer

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:48:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Jaws and Spielberg

I have to agree with George and Ellen in their analysis of Spileberg's
career - I think that he had only two or three really moving films in him -
JAWS and the TV movie DUEL (I think that's what it's called) - Everything
else depended far more on hype than interesting film making
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From: EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET (Ellen.Edgerton)
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Subject: Favorite movies
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:36:43 GMT
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Hey, I'm sure this is an old CINEMA-L warhorse, even though I'm
relatively new to this list, but...what are your favorite movies?

(Hey, it's better than the old "translation" warhorse, I guess...)
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:43:39 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Medicine Man

My wife brought this one home from the grocery store
last night and I wasn't real gung-ho on watching it
(due to the reviews of how terrible it was).  And though
it was not the greatest movie in the world, I found it
to be fairly entertaining.  I wondered if the distributers
had made a mistake in advertising the film as "from the
same person who brought you DIE HARD."  Because if I
sat down expecting a DIE HARD, I could see where people
and critics would be very disappointed.  Thoughts?

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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From: mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA ((Don McCreary))
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Subject: database searching
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:59:41 GMT
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Hi folks, in case no one can dig up copies of the Prez and VP reviews,
they should be available in the data base.  I have appended a copy of a
search program which you send to the listserv@auvm.american.edu.  This
program is set to search for info on Costa Rica from the TRAVEL-L
database, but just change the search parameters and the list you want to
search.  The dates can be changed too -- and that would be best otherwise
you will get too much info.

Americans with their election, Canadians with our Constitutional Referendum;
send more review because I NEED the laugh!

Don

//      job echo=no
Database search DD=Rules
//Rules DD *
Search Costa Rica in travel-l since 92/01/01
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:04:16 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      This Month's _Empire_ Quiz...

"The Johnny Foreigner Quiz!"

Dear old Gerard Depardieu is but the latest in a long line of foreign types
to hit Hollywood and flourish.  Simply give the names of the successful
immigrants below...

 1.  What German comedian-turned-director was, from the 1920s until
     his death in 1947, the best in the business of sophisticated
     comedy with hits like Ninotchka, To Be Or Not To Be and Heaven
     Heaven Can Wait?

 2.  What British product of Sandhurst and the Highland Light Infantry
     entered Hollywood films in 1934 and epitomised the urbane English
     gentleman?

 3.  What Russian-born Brit became a Hollywood success alternating between
     Nazis, The Saint, The Falcon and a succession of suave cads?

 4.  What orphan from Stockholm was brought to Hollywood by David O.
     Selznick to remake one of her Swedish successes?

 5.  What Sicilian immigrant celebrated the American idealistic
     individual and won three direction Oscars within five years?

 6.  What Austrian junior curling champion left home to make
     Hercules in New York?

 7.  What half-Irish Mexican married Cecil B. Mille's daughter and won
     Oscars playing a Mexican and a Frenchman?

 8.  What great German star escaped the Nazis, found fame as a
     Hollywood heavy, but died soon after completing a fellow
     foreigner's finest romance in 1942?

 9.  What Belgian-born ballerina-turned-actress was discovered on the
     Riviera by novelist Colette, sent to Broadway to play Gigi and
     won an Oscar for her first Hollywood film?

10.  What Romanian immigrant changed his name from Emmanuel Goldenberg
     and became the prototype for screen gangsters?

Please send your answers to me at:  lcc@win.icl.co.uk
                                    =================

I'll post answers and results in a few weeks.   Good luck...

			Liam.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:30:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: All the Presidential Men

I also noticed that Bush rubbed his nose in "a funny sort of way" at
the mention of Cocaine - I also was struck by how incoherent he
often was - even when he had something reasonable to say he kept jumping
around in the sentence and trailing off as though he was fading out like
an old rock 'n roll song - Maybe Dan Quayle introduced him to a new
conection
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Subject: Re: Cooper-bashing & translation
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:51:00 GMT
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My only comments about LAST OF THE MOHICANS & Cooper are:

1- Beyond the title and a few snipits of plot there is no relationship
at all between the novel and the current film - Thus Michael Mann's
effort may be a swell film but it's neither an adaption or a translation
of Cooper

2- Cooper's prose is dumb and juvenile at best but I certainly
enjoyed it when I was 13 years old and I've enjoyed it as escapism
ever since - Mark Twain's comments are quite funny and also quite true -
All sorts of dumb but entertaining movies can be made from Cooper's novels;
however, my guess is that Michael Mann did not want to make a dumb movie,
but he did want to take advantage of the fact that all sorts of people
who have never read the book or even heard of Cooper (or Mark Twain for
that matter) will recognize the title.


One comment about Mr. Francis's views on "translation" : no matter
how elegantly and expansively he writes, his argument has a fundament-
al flaw - An adaption of prose into film is ADAPTION is not TRANSLATION -
Mr. Francis comes from a Comparative Literature Department and without
implying anything about Mr. Francis's intellect or qualifications to
discuss literature I would say that in my experience the faculty of
most Comparative Lit Dept.s send their time reading literature that they've
read in translation, which is why they are so dedicated to defending
translations for better or worse - again I am not judging this practice
I just can't see relating it to film
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:17:30 -0500
From:         PHARRIS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Irish music!

Lovers of Irish music, check out the soundtrack to _The Secret Garden_ It has
a lot of Irish influence. It also has some India(n) flavored music in it.
Just a Comment!
Paul.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:15:57 CDT
From:         "(Carol Slingo)" <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Mexican movies--help!

The Chicago Film Festival is showing 3 films by Jaime Humberto Hermosillo.
I know about HOMEWORK/LA TAREA but what is FORBIDDEN HOMEWORK (same story,
appears to have been made at the same time--C.F.F. handouts notoriously
unhelpful).  Is it part two of a two-part film, or a commentary on the
first, or what?

If you have any information, please share.

Thanks,

Carol Slingo