HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tcs@ll.mit.edu (Tom Sefranek)
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Reply-To: tcs@ll.mit.edu (Tom Sefranek)
Organization: "Group	47"
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:51:17 GMT

It's been said before, and it's IN the FAQs...

DON'T call the FCC!!!

All you can acomplish is drawing undue attention to a problem that is OURS to
solve.

Tom
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   /-/-/-/-/             |                 VE Sessions every Sunday 15:00 EST
   /-/-/-/-/         /---/---/             @ Navy Barracks @ Fort Devens, Ma. &
       |                 x         |       Second & Fourth Mondays of the month.
    /--/--/              x     /---/---/   @ Lura A. White School  Shirley, Ma.
       x       .         x         x       E-Mail or call 617-981-3474 (Work)
       x       |         x         x	   Call in: 145.41, 145.45, 448.625 Mhz.
       x       |       __x         x
       x_______|_______||x         x       Ham Radio (Elmer) Night @ 19:00 EST
      /                ||x\      /   \     First, Third, (Fifth) Mondays.
    /-----------------/||x \   /___ ___\   Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP
    | [ ] [ ] ## [  ]| ||x  | ||  | |  ||  112 Great Road  Shirley, Ma. 01464
    |         ##     | ||x  | ||  | |  ||  Home Phone: 508-425-6672
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb
From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:03:03 GMT

The following caught my eye as a "Moderator's Note" in the moderated
newsgroup comp.dcom.telecom.  The moderator is Pat Towson, a notorious
flame-baiter (as well as moderator of a great newsgroup, go figure...).
It's probably just as well, he's insulted just about every *OTHER*
sub-culture of loyal Telecom Digest readers, it was only a matter of
time before he came to us.

The note was in response to a post by Cliff Stoll (K7TA) about how the
Internet and the people who run it have to be a lot more street-smart
with the invasion of crackers over the years.  I agree with the points
Cliff made, but Pat chimes in with this uncalled-for blow against ham
radio:

>[Moderator's Note: Well Cliff, the Internet community had a lot of
>trust between people for many years until the BBS'er/malicious hacker
>type person found out about it and began abusing the trust. It reminds
>me of how ham radio *used* to be until the CB'ers started moving in.  PAT]
      ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^

Yowch!  If you'd like to give Pat a piece of your mind, address it to
telecom@eecs.nwu.edu.  He might even use it in his newsgroup.

73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

pschleck@unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: Ham Radio Software
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Keywords: ham,software,mac
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:00:25 GMT

jaap@cs.ruu.nl (Jaap Romers) writes:
|
|I know there is a lot of ham-radio software for MSDOS systems
|on several FTP-sites. But I was wondering if there are also
|ftp-sites with ham-radio software for Apple Macintosh.
|Is there a lot of ham software for the Mac, like MSDOS ??

I don't know how much there is available, but there is one I know of.
For using packet/TCPIP on the mac, you can get NET/Mac.
Ftp to ucsd.edu, then cd to hamradio/packet/tcpip/pa2aga and get the
software there. (From Adam, pa2aga).

This is the only one I know of, so you might ask around some more.

-Brent
-- 
+-------------------------+  Pale Terror trembling guards the fountain's head,
|Brent P. Burton, N5VMG   |  And rouses Fancy on her wakeful bed;
|bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu  |  From realms of viewless spirits tears the veil,
+-------------------------+  And there reveals the unutterable tale. - M. Lewis
From: CELLIS%BROCK1P.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Carlton Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco Users List
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:24:22 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Jay,  I can't find your e-mail address but please add me to the
Alinco users list.  I have a DR-110T that I am VERY happy with -
but I would like to find out the Alinco recommended mod to put
reveiver audio on Pin 6 of the Mike connector for packet use.
Thanks.
Carty Ellis KA2Y   day (716) 395-5153
                   eve (716) 544-3249

Administrative Computing
State University of New York - College at Brockport
Brockport, NY  14420

Member ARRL, QCWA, AWA  - Licensed since 1958
all bands - all modes
cellis@brock1p (Bitnet)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com (Bill Chidester)
Subject: Re: Nasty Hams
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:10:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Orlando Fl.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:
: 
: I agree. Unfortunately, this is not a new phenomenon. My General
: call in 1963 was WB2EDW. I lived in the Buffalo, NY area. There
: was a nearby ham (I think his call was W2OY), who would call CQ
: on 75 AM, with these conditions: No kids, no lids, no space cadets,
: no WB2s. I had a home-made 75-meter transmitter and tried calling
: him, to no avail. Other locals told me my audio sounded fine, so
: that wasn't the problem. He just didn't want to work me because
: I was young and newly licensed.
: 
 ... 
: 
: ****************************************************************
: 
: JIM KEARMAN, KR1S                    Voice: 203-666-1541 ext 279
: ARRL Assistant Technical Editor	     FAX:   203-665-7531
: Author of `The DXCC Companion'	     ARRL Headquarters
: Editor of `Now You're Talking!,'     225 Main Street
: ARRL License Manuals,		     Newington, CT 06111
: ARRL Instructor Guides		     e-mail: jkearman@arrl.org
: 
: *****************************************************************

  A couple of years ago, I got on our local 440 Mhz repeater and
  gave the legendary W2OY "No lids, no kids, no space cadets; no
  users of the FO-NET-ICK alphabet..." CQ.  Ken, one of the regulars
  on the repeater, came back to me totally aghast and said "How do 
  you know about that CQ!?".

  It seems that W2OY was an ELMER!!  He had sponsored Ken as a young
  ham and had given Ken his Novice test.  Ken said he had spent many
  an hour in W2OY's shack while he gave his famous CQ but had never known
  that OY was a celebrity.  It completely blew Ken's mind to realize 
  that there were people out there who actually listened to W2OY:  I was
  the only other ham he'd ever heard that infamous CQ from (Hmmmmmm..).
  He also said that OY was quite loony -- lived in a house that looked
  like it was out of the Adams family, old newspapers and junk stacked 
  from ceiling to floor, with narrow pathways cleared through the clutter.
  He had many a free lunches at the house and was always welcome.

  Ken said the OY had electrocuted himself while working on an antenna.
  He realized the guy was crazy but had a soft spot in his heart for 
  all the time he'd spent with an old man who just seemed to be a 
  couple of bubbles off plumb.

  I never talked to W2OY.  When he was in his prime, I was 15 years old
  and the guy would never come back to "Whiskey Two Onomatopoeia Yugo-
  slavia, this is Whiskey Bravo Two, ahhh no, make that Whiskey Alpha
  Four, yeah, Whiskey Alpha Four Z, Zebra, C, Charley, L, London"...
   
 -------------------------
   Bill Chidester    KE4WS
   bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CRT radiation into ham rcvrs
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:37:15 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Jul24.164042.8150@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
> In article <5814.2a6f034e@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
>>
>>Indeed, the whole lot is FCC Class B certified. I doubt you could say
>>the same for Suns or ATT workstations.
> 
> Class B certification is fairly meaningless. The permitted radiation
> levels in Class B are far in excess of the levels that can upset 
> communications receivers. 

I realise that. Indeed, in many ways the Class B certification is wimpy.

HOWEVER, since the majority of computer systems normally conform to the
Class A certification level (which is even wimpier!), the fact that Apple has
taken the extra steps to certify to Class B standards should be taken in
a positive way, not negative.

Since the Apple equipment EXCEEDS Class B standards, it should be a better
choice of gear than some clone PC that just MIGHT have met Class A
standards, no?

> Bill, you come across as an Apple salesman trying to make the million
> dollar club. The little 9 inch toasters are interesting toys, 

BULLSH!T.

They are serious computers. Not toys. They are the type of computers
that you don't have to be a computer guru to use. That is powerful. That
does not make it a "toy". 

> You're talking to a ham audience, and that group is
> notoriously cheap. Used workstations, PC clones, and old Apple IIe's are
> the currency of their stations. 

Ugh, you'd think they'd want to get their money's worth.


> Apple's pricing structure means that
> hams aren't considering them as their first choice. 

Where you been, Gary? Apple's prices have PLUMMETED in the last three
years. They have aggressively priced their computers to sell. And they have
sold! 

> I can get a color Sun 386i for $750 on the surplus market, I'm not going 
> to pay three or more times as much for less computer.

Faugh. You get what you pay for.

If a Sun 386i is only worth $750, there must be a reason for it.

-- 
Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss)
Subject: Re: tough life?
Keywords: never
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:38:25 GMT

In article <982@vk2bea.UUCP> michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann) writes:
>In article <76540@ut-emx.uucp> oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) whinges:
> >tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny) complains:
> >
> >>You say you've got it tough?
> >
> >>When I was a novice, we didn't have telegraph keys;
> >
> >Light switches?  Looxury, lad, looxury!   We had to get up at 6 a.m. 
> >and carve cats' whiskers out of blocks of galena.  
>
>Galena? You had galena ?!?  We had to use real cats!
>
>-- 

 Cats?  You had Cats?!?  We had to fight Sabertooth Tigers to get whiskers,
and that was only after spending weeks making flint knives.  And we did
this all without fire.  Boy, you had it EASY.
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Larson glass mount antenna has high SWR
Date: 20 Jul 92 15:21:33 GMT
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division

In article <4889@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, benjy@benjy.cc.vt.edu (Ben E. Cline) writes:
> In article <1992Jul16.173732.12930@gvl.unisys.com>, rossi@gvlf9-q.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi) writes:
> |> I am asking this for a friend.  He has the 2-meter 1/2 wave Larson glass
> |> mount antenna.  It has very high SWR across the entire 2 meter band.
> |> It is not too bad at the low end (about 2:1) but rises to over 3:1 at
> |> the high end of the band.
> |> 

I had a similar problem with an ASP glass mount. The solution was to change
the length of the co-ax. (I added a 2' co-ax jumper I had around the shack).

-- 
   John Rice        K9IJ     |  "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was
                             |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially
                             |   Not my Employer's....
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   Purveyor of Miracles,Magic and Sleight-of-hand
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Deed restriction bans all ham antennas
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:18:44 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

In article <1992Jul21.023736.968@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
|> 
|> Is anyone else aware of a deed restriction that is so restrictive as to
|> flat out ban all ham antennas from a neighborhood?  Anyone care to

I once looked at buying property in a place that banned not only antennas
but also things like clothes-lines.  I made sure they could be eliminated 
before I agreed to buy the land.

|> speculate as to what would be the best way to fight such a deed
|> restriction?

Why should you be able to fight them??  When you sign the deed, you are 
agreeing with all the attachments.  You have no grounds to fight them.
You have to either have them removed before you buy or look for another
piece of property.  The restrictions constitute a contract that you are
willingly entering into.  It's not like restrictive ordinances which can
be passed after the fact.  

bill    KB3YV

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
     bill@platypus.uofs.edu   |  This space would be left intentionally blank
     bill@tuatara.uofs.edu    |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Re: New Radio Shack Scanner (BOGUS!).  What we really want. . .!
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:04:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> How about the Ham 6m band 50-54MHz?
> How hard is it to defeat the cellular phone frequency lockout?

Or 108-118...
From: Terry.Murphy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Terry Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: amateurs in history
Keywords: but yes
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:58:24 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Jul20.132740.0105090@locus.com> marcoh@lear.bos.locus.com (Mark Heroux) writes:
>In article <76203@ut-emx.uucp> oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) writes:
>>
>>Isn't there some guy in the Bible called Ham?
>>
>
>Ham was the son of NOAA.  NOAA is best remembered for his work
>in connection with meteorology.
>
Isn't NUMBERS the five number group guys on HF.....
and 
Lamentations, the story of the first code ops
              trying for DXCC
 to say nothing of
abraHAM


--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: pcl@engrserver.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Subject: Re: New Radio Shack Scanner (BOGUS!
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:13:46 GMT

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to post the "HR" number for the Bill   that is in the House concerning restriction of radios that can pick up the      Cellular portion of the Public Airwaves so that I can call my local pig-trough  -slurper...uhh I mean Congressman.  Thanks.


Peter Laws            |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|    pcl@engr.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.na| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  | plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Smart Brits
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:22:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

jdelancy@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil mentions:

>BTW, G8VUK went from no U.S. license to Extra class in less than
>a year..

Pshaw!  G3WQO did it in one morning.   And it took me a month because at 
first I thought you actually had to know the stuff on the advanced and
extra class exams.   But we're both too modest to mention it here :-)


Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 
oo7@emx.utexas.edu
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "Readability, Strength" signal reports
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:59:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.155104.8942@eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:
>>
>>The "key click" is caused by too sharp a transition between carrier on and
>>carrier off.  It is more pleasant sounding to let the power ramp up for a few
>>milliseconds.

>oops!  I meant, of course, "carrier off" and "carrier on"!  sorry

The trailing edge can generate key clicks also, if the transition is too
sudeden.

AL N1AL
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:04:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Thread to ham radio
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts

Some clarification:

I've received several responses to this posting from several newsgroups.
Almost all of the responses assume that my posting was an argument for
mandatory helmet usage. One respondent claimed to be an MSF instructor and
was extraordinarily (even for the net) offensive. (even accused me of 
being a Christian! Well I never....!!!)

If you find words that state that I support helmet laws, you should get
your vision checked. Or work on your reading comprehension.

The Cliff Notes version:

 a. People who ride without helmets are, in my opinion, being stupid.
    (Riding without gloves, jacket, boots, long pants are also degrees
     of stupid.) 
 b. Your crash, if severe, will inconvenience or traumatize some people
    who don't deserve it. Their opinions about bikes & bikers count in
    the ballot box. 
 c. Deer shit happens. And it mostly happens at dusk and at night.


There are times to NOT ride. Is this one?

No! Today is Ride To Work Day!!! :-))

Ron
From: reisert@mast.enet.dec.com ("Jim Reisert, AD1C")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Upcoming DXAC vote on the Balkan republics (ex-YU)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:52:41 GMT
X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA14914; Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:52:43 -0700
X-Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA27214; Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:52:38 -0700
X-Received: from mast.enet; by decwrl.enet; Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:52:41 PDT
X-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc.usenet
X-Apparently-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc.usenet


Msg #386  From: KC1AG  Date: 28-Jul 1744Z  Subj: DXAC Vote on Balkan Republics

The following is a brief summary of a matter before the DXAC
for DXers in the New England Division. Comments are mine
alone. Everyone is welcome to read the note and send
comments to your ARRL Division's DXAC representative.
 
Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Macedonia, and the
reformed Yugoslavia:
 
A DXAC vote has been scheduled for August 24 on the DXCC
country status of the new Balkan republics and possibly on
the old Yugoslavia. While I have little doubt on the eventual
recommendation for the new republics, there is a plethora of
possible dates for DXCC credit, e.g., date of independence,
date of U.S. recognition, date of UN recognition, date of EC
recognition, etc. Furthermore, there is disagreement on just
what the independence dates of at least Slovenia and Croatia
actually are. No doubt the DXAC will soon learn what will be
on the ballot so I can inform you reliably on what it is that
we will be voting upon.
 
Regarding the possible deletion of the old Yugoslavia, I do not
believe YU will be deleted--in spite of the US move to require
the reformed country to reapply for admission to the UN. If
anyone has any comments on this point, please let me know.
 
The representative radio societies in the new republics
should be given an opportunity to make comments on whatever
dates for DXCC credit may eventually appear on the ballot. Not
extending our fellow amateurs in these new nations the
courtesy of making comments on the various possible dates
could engender ill will for no good reason and would reflect
poorly on the DXCC Awards Program and the ARRL. Unless the
chairman delays the vote and lets the committee know what
we will be voting on very quickly, it may be impossible to
extended this courtesy.
 
73 de Bill Shipp, KC1AG, NE Representative to the DXAC 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: GPS Systems
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:05:03 GMT


In article <9207211809.AA24798@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil>, zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke) writes:
|>...
|>The 'relative accuracy' is about 10 feet.  The Coast Guard is talking about
|>installing transmitters at fixed locations which broadcast a 'correction
|>signal' by comparing its known position and the position reported by gps.
|>Mostly this is to deal with the 'selective availability' which the military
|>has imposed.  The reason for this is the claim that an enemy would use the
|>gps system for targeting american sites.  Thus they take the signal which
|>can do some 20 or so feet (not sure of the accuracy might be 100 or
|>something) and degrade it to 300 meters.  

That's called "Differential GPS" (presumably because it uses the difference
in GPS reading between you and a fixed receiver, plus the known location of
that fixed receiver, to get your location).  It seems you can buy complete
D-GPS systems; for example, one article I saw described using them for
recording positions in a soil survey for a new highway.  Apparently the
sort of accuracy needed for that kind of job is achievable via D-GPS (but
not plain GPS).  I don't know what those beasts cost... probably a lot.

|>...
|>Actually, the signal is very sensitive to things being in the way.  For
|>boats they don't recommend putting the antenna where the sails could get in
|>the way of the line of sight from the antenna to orbit.

I don't understand why that should be so, unless the sails are soaked with
salt spray.  Sails, after all, are dielectric.  They shouldn't be a problem
any more than the plastic cover on the antenna is!

|>David Zielke
|>KA4SLI

	paul koning, ni1d

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: harp@bnr.ca (Alan Harp)
Subject: R7 Owners question
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:10:16 GMT

I bought an R7 to use on my motor home.  The WARC band resonators don't
resonate where they should.  Especially the 30 meter one.  The SWR curves
on 12 and 17 are broad enough that it doesn't really matter.  

The original 30 meter trap resonated almost on top of WWV.  The second and
third ones they sent me resonate around 10.093.  The band width on 30 is 
very narrow.  If I adjust the cap to get in the band then the SWR is
about 2:1.  

Any others out there having trouble with this antenna??

Oh I just read the QST review.  Theirs resonated outside the band on 30.

Other than that it works.  From the Outer Banks I worked all the continents
in one week end.  Some times had trouble being heard.  I'd say it is as good
as any vertical with the exception of the above problems.

****************************************************************************
* Alan Harp K4PB     *     Bell-Northern Research      *   CW FOREVER      *
* mail: harp@bnr.ca  *   Research Triangle Park, NC    *                   *
****************************************************************************
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.misc:12527 sci.electronics:13105