HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Power sources for radar dectectors
Keywords: radar detectors
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:42:28 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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>>Does anyone have any advice on power sources for radar detectors
>>other than the standard lighter jack.  Can you run it straight from
>>the battery with a fused lead?  What about map lights, etc?  Could
>>someone who's done this give some advice on a plan of action (i.e.
>>installation pitfalls, etc)?  Thanks.

If it runs off the cigarette lighter, it will run off the battery --
probably better, since the cigarette lighter outlet provides a
notoriously poor ground. Good enough for a heating element, which is
what it's designed to power, and for low-powered electronics, but
not for much else. In fact, that's one of the points to check when
fighting a radar ticket -- whether the unit was powered from the
lighter socket, and if so, whether the manual calls for it to be
hard-wired.

Watch out for battery drain, though.  Learn which of the tappable
power sources in your car are switched through the ignition key,
and which accessories draw significant current when pseudo-"off".
A radar detector usually pulls enough juice to run down your battery
within a day or two if you accidentally leave it on.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: How to shift without depressing the clutch?
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 00:06:35 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep4.170331.21419@intelhf.hf.intel.com> yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown) writes:
>dicleli@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Samuel Dicle) writes:
>
>definition put more wear and tear on the gears.  To shift without
>using the clutch, just try to shift from second to third while going
>an appropriate speed.  Use some force on the shifter nob both to pop
>it out of second and push it into third.  When I do it on my car, it
>doesn't even make a grinding sound.  Just try it.  Make sure you move
>quickly, though, because if you hold back you will grind the gears.

Up is easy-- it's DOWN that is difficult.  The FAQ for this group has
it, under 'rev-matched downshifting', I believe.


-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
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From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:02:29 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
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In article <1992Sep11.145427.1413@access.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>In article <26219@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>>Maybe. Unless he chooses to do so while you're fiddling with the 
>>buttons on the radio.
>
>Does this sort of thing scare the hell out of anybody else when they're 
>a passenger in a car who's driver is doing it?  I.E., *you* see the 
>line of stopped cars ahead, and *your* driver has his/her attention
>(eyes) on something inside the car?  "Uh, Joe?  Joe?!  JOE!!"  "Huh?  Oh.
>Scccreeeeech."  X^(
>

When I was in the AF, I had a friend that would look DIRECTLY
at you, and talk, while driving. We'd get into a conversation,
he'd be talking, and I'd be going "Uh, Tony (Finger pointed to-
wards the car in front, brake lights glowing)... TONY... (more
pointing) DAMN, TONY! Look in front of you!". SCREECH!!!

That guy used to scare the life out of me...

-- Mike

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From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:34:19 GMT

From article <1992Sep8.171748.3382@pictel.com>, by harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling):
> In article <1992Sep4.125644.11853@cbnewse.cb.att.com> waco@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.l.broughton) writes:
>>  The mother of one of my wife's cousin's husbands was involved in...
> 
> The question is, *which* of wife's cousin's husbands?  How many does
> she have, anyway?!  Which state(s) does she live in?
> 
> I know, I know; "the mother of the husband of one of my wife's cousins"
> is pretty unwieldy too, but it took me a while to parse that one.  How
> about "the mother of all cousins"?  :-)

How about "one of my female cousin-in-law's mother-in-law"?

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From: garyd@netcom.com (Gary Dietz)
Subject: 4x4  vs  4x2  ???
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 03:04:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I'm considering buying a pick up truck.  I'll be using it in snow country
30% of the time.

Obviously, a 4 x 4 gives me more traction in bad weather.  But how much?

Is it really worth the lower gas mileage, the x-tra cash up front to get 
a 4 x 4 version of a pick up, versus say, the 4 x 2 version with 
heavy sand bags in the bed during bad weather?

Does going to 4 x 4 pretty much mean that I have to go to a 6 cylinder
from the 4 cylinder that I am considering?

Thanks in advance for your advice,

Gary
-- 

   "To find fault is easy; to do better may be difficult."  -Plutarch
   "Why do better when you can just blame it on the democrats?" -G.H.W.Bush

From: rogerm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Roger Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:25:12 GMT
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

The Jake brake is a braking system manufactured by the Jacobs Equipment Company.The company manufactures units which attach over the cylinder heads on diesel
engines using cam actuated injectors. When engaged it couples the injector 
motion to the exhaust valve opening it at the top of the compression stroke
and releasing the compression pressure in the cylinder. Doing this makes quite
a bit of noise which is why some miunicipalities ban the use of them inside 
their limits.
				Roger Mitchell
				Master Mechanic: Ft. Collins Municipal Railway
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Another Ticket Question :-(
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:13:41 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, svaldez@sdcc13.ucsd.edu writes:

]Here are the member states in the Driver's License Compact:
](info courtesy of Nolo Press)

]Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, DC,
]Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine,
]Maryland, Miss, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New
]Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia,
]Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming.

]Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire

Just as an added bit - 5 years ago, a ticket I received in S. Carolina
was placed on my Virginia license. Also, unless something happened recently,
Oklahoma (as of 5 years ago) didn't pass tickets to any other state,
nor did they accept them for driver's license purposes. (I could be
wrong, but that's what I remember from several friends who used to live
there.:)

Ron

Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
From: curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:48:34 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
In-reply-to: kenny@osf.org's message of 11 Sep 92 19:13:56 GMT

>>When a three lane road turns into a two lane road, do you zoom around
>>all the "plodding and slow" drivers and beg someone to let you back in
>>the line before your lane gives out?
>
>HA! This guy's never been to Massachusetts! It's right in the handbook:
>
>"If you have to beg to get in, you've screwed up somewhere."
>
>Seriously, though, no. My first reaction is to get away from all these
>"reasonable and sensible" drivers and make my way in. Haven't had a
>problem yet, because I PLAN what I'm going to do, looking for holes in
>traffic, unlike all these "reasonable and sensible" drivers.

I live far from cities, so I'm used to taking highways pretty fast
:-), but when I do get near a city I get *really* annoyed at people
who think they are the only ones on the road, and take advantage of
the other drivers.  In the situation described above, the worst
possible thing for the average time is for a single driver to try to
pass everyone and slip in the lane where someone has opened up a
space.  Yet a**holes always love to screw everyone else to trim a
couple minutes off of their time.

I may not always be "reasonable and sensible", but I do have courtesy
for the other cars on the road, and expect the same in return.

Curt
From: curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:15:53 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
In-reply-to: kenny@osf.org's message of 11 Sep 92 15:13:20 GMT


>"reasonable and sensible"
>"reasonable and sensible"
>
>"Reasonable and sensible" == "plodding and slow". Nothing else. The asleep-
>at-the-wheel contingent takes to the road.

When a three lane road turns into a two lane road, do you zoom around
all the "plodding and slow" drivers and beg someone to let you back in
the line before your lane gives out?

Curt
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: What is trail braking?
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:01:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.161615.21320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.) writes:

>Could someone please describe what trail braking is and how to do it?
>I didn't see it in the Auto FAQ.

trail braking is a competition braking technique.  the essence of it
is as follows:

you are approaching a corner.  if braking is necessary, you do all
or part of it in a straight line.

there are some corners where it may make sense to continue braking
into the turn for a short distance; any technique where you trail off
of the brake gradually is ``trail braking.'' you may trail brake
very briefly at the turn in point to keep the weight on the front tires
to get a better bite at this crucial moment.  Paul Wilson (chief instructor
for the boston chapter of the bmw cca and the northeastern zone of the
ferrari club of america) calls this `type 1' trail braking.

you may trail brake further into the corner; in part this is so that you
can commence the straightline braking at a later point -- in competition,
this can lend an advantage when trying to pass, or to prevent a pass.
Paul Wilson calls this type 2 trail braking.

you may trailbrake to keep weight forward and provoke the rear end of
the car into coming around, say if you were trying to get the car around
a pin cone at an autocross.  Paul Wilson refers to this as type 3 trail
braking.

type 1 may be used reasonably at most any corner.  type 2 is applicable
when the turn is really nothing more than a kink, or when the turn is
banked up somewhat to hold the rear end of the car in; otherwise, trail
braking may break the rear end loose (which is what is desired with type
3 trail braking.)

it is important to keep in mind that braking done after turn in must be
backed off somewhat relative to the braking in a straight line; if you
attempt to turn the wheel when the car's brakes are right on the
threshold, then in all likelyhood, the car will simply not turn until
you release the brakes.  the idea is that you start `trailing' off the
`brakes' as you start to turn the steering wheel in a smooth, clean
fashion.

trailbraking is moderately controversial.  there are some schools (such
as skip barber) that oversell trail braking, and others (bertil roos
and jim russell) which really don't like it, and won't teach it.

the truth, not suprisingly, lies somewhere in between the two extremes.

cheers,
  richard
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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Does a cop need to show you the RADAR reading?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:33:38 GMT

wong@tds213.uucp (Freeman Wong) writes:

>I am wondering if the cop is required to do a little bit more such as
>showing my friend the RADAR reading.  Any comment on the legality of
>the cops procedure?

    Well, check local laws, but I doubt that the cop is _required_ to show
the motorist his speed on the gun.

    Now, if your friend had thought that something was up, and had _asked_
to see the reading and gotten a refusal from the cop, that would certainly
be something that would look good for you in court.  I've gotten out of a
ticket from a slimy cop before by asking to see the reading.

    I would say that once you're sure you're actually going to get a ticket
and not just a warning, you should always ask to see the reading.  Twice now
I've caught cops who think they're smart trying to ticket me because they
just _know_ I was speeding, even though they were too slow to get it on radar.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
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From: jbn@photon.uucp (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Oregon Gas Tax results
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:43:40 GMT


Back in May, someone posted a warning about an Oregon ballot measure
which would have allowed gas tax money to be used for law enforcement.

Although I didn't find out the result of that election from any Usenet
posting, I did get word from someone in Oregon that the measure failed
by a 2-1 margin.

Joe Naiman
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How to shift without depressing the clutch?
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:31:57 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep06.000635.20163@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew  
T. Russotto) writes:

> Up is easy-- it's DOWN that is difficult.  The FAQ for this group has
> it, under 'rev-matched downshifting', I believe.


Down is not too difficult.  I've done it quite often.  What you do is, for
example from third to second, throw it out of third, put it in neutral,
step on the accelerator slightly, then push the gear shift knob against
second until the revs match and it will slide in fairly easily.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:53:57 GMT

jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>There might be a lesson here regarding leaving some space when you stop
>behind someone.  I suppose if I'd been closer to the guy, there would have
>been more damage.  Now I leave even MORE space if I'm nervous (1 car length?)
>and scan for escapes.

Unfortunately where I do most of my driving it's impossible to leave
more than a few feet of clearance between you and the guy in front of
you when you're stopped at an intersection.  If you do you get
unceremoniously cut off.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
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From: vkrishna@iienext3.cim.eas.asu.edu (Vinu K. Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Speeding ticket
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:38:18 GMT


My friend from Arizona got a speeding ticket while he was visiting  
California.
Will this affect his insurance
Should he take a traffic Class, if so where ?
What are the options

Thanks in advance
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: where to by Whistler Radar Detector
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:34:22 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.232345.6628@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com> walko%backyard@vttux1.vtt.fi (Leslie A. Walko) writes:
>>
>>
>>Are there any dealers for Whistler Radar Detectors in 
>>Northern New Jersey?  If so, where?

>I've seen Whistlers at K-Mart, Western Auto, Sears (in their catalog),
>and even Radio Shaft (they sell a detector under their own name which is
>obviously a Whistler because of its distinctine shape).

If you catch a sale K-Mart is by far the cheapest of these.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Photo radar..dead in NJ
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 07:00:10 GMT


The governor signed into law this past Thursday a new
law that forbids the use of photo-radar as a speed enforcement
device in the state of New Jersey.  This law was almost
unanimously supported by both houses of the NJ legislature
in July after public outrage that surfaced when the state police
announced they were trialing the use of photo-radar.  No
tickets were ever issued using photo-radar in NJ.

Many of us that helped channel opposition to photo-radar
are now hoping for a realistic survey of NJ's highway
speed limits which are 55 and universally ignored by
almost everyone.  One NJ legislator is poised to
introduce a 65mph bill in the NJ legislature shortly.

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From: gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:01:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I just moved to Boulder, Colorado.  Most people here drive 60 mph from
stoplight to stoplight in 45 mph zones, and accelerate to high speeds
only to brake hard a few blocks later.  I find myself doing the same
even though I think it's ridiculous.

In the mountains nearby, many drivers tailgate unless one is going at least
10 mph (preferably 20, except on really tight curves) over the posted limit.
One has either to speed along with them or pull off to the side (on some
stretches there's no place to do it for miles) and let them pass unless
one wants some fool with lousy brakes smashing in after an emergency stop.

Mark., hrmph.
gooley@netcom.com
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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:16:25 GMT

In article <jimf.715982037@centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>
>Unfortunately where I do most of my driving it's impossible to leave
>more than a few feet of clearance between you and the guy in front of
>you when you're stopped at an intersection.  If you do you get
>unceremoniously cut off.

Oh *that's* nice...  8^)  Install some spikes on your front bumper.  8^)
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From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:33:35 GMT

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:


>I wrote:
>>"Reasonable and sensible" == "plodding and slow". Nothing else. The asleep-
>>at-the-wheel contingent takes to the road.

I disagree totally. See below.

>Someone tell me why:

>   (Usually most- "r & s"'ers tend to travel in packs)

> - you "r & s"'ers drop to a CRAWL at intersections, regardless of
>   conditions?

> - some drivers, as was stated before, take *forever* to start up at lights,
>   and leave plenty of room between cars, therefore limiting the number of
>   cars that can get thru already congested lights?

> - so many people *refuse* to go around cars making left turns?

> - so many people will *wait* on pedestrians *nowhere near* crossing the
>   street?

I think everybody here can agree that the above sorts of drivers are general
irritants. So why are you equating "Plodding and Slow" (which is what you're
describing) with "Reasonable and Sensible?"

My definition of R&S (and I think most people would agree with this) is the
EXACT OPPOSITE of what you're describing. The R&S "Golden Rule," as far as
I am concerned, is "I'll stay out of your way; all I ask is that you stay out
of mine." What is unreasonable and nonsensible about that?

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
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From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Re: Another Ticket Question :-(
Organization: On the Road
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:09:43 GMT

In article <37872@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> svaldez@sdcc13.ucsd.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.203128.7095@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>>	Does anyone know a reliable way to find out which states have
>>	reciprocity with which states (i.e. which tickets transfer to which
>>	states)? I have asked in the states I got the tickets in and in my
>>	home state of Idaho, but both DMVs claimed that all tickets transfer.
>>	I don't believe them, it sounds like they say it just to scare you.
>
>Here are the member states in the Driver's License Compact: 
>(info courtesy of Nolo Press)
>
>Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, DC,
>Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine,
>Maryland, Miss, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New
>Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia,
>Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming.
>
>New additions to the list:
>
>Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire 
>
> 
	I received a ticket in Colorado before moving to NJ and it 
never affected me here!  (I had also received tickets in Arizona
years ago and they never affected me in Colorado.)
Does this depend on the type of offense (they were both alleged sppeding)?
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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:59:31 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <CURT.92Sep11141553@vtucs.cc.vt.edu> curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes) writes:
>
>>"Reasonable and sensible" == "plodding and slow". Nothing else. The asleep-
>>at-the-wheel contingent takes to the road.
>
>When a three lane road turns into a two lane road, do you zoom around
>all the "plodding and slow" drivers and beg someone to let you back in
>the line before your lane gives out?

Sometimes.  And the damndest thing is, it usually works.  I'd prefer
not to do it, but I find it hard to sit in one of the through lanes
and watch all those people pass me while the idiots up front let in 5
or 6 of them at a time.  If I don't do it, I try to let only one car
that does do it in.

-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
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