HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Subject: Re: US born kids
Reply-To: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:28:44 GMT

yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:
>
>Yes, as a matter of fact I think I am no less "taiwanese-ness" than you
>according to your definition.

No no, those weren't my definitions.... I was just speculating what would
constitute "Taiwanese-ness."

I think anyone who genuinely cares for Taiwan and respects Taiwan can
be called "Taiwanese."  It should not matter where he/she's from.

>I used to speak fluent taiwanese. My mother could fool you to believe
>she was a native taiwanese. One of my uncle manages many blue-collar
>workers, I bet he speaks taiwanese much better than you do.

Actually, many of my father's WSR friends speak perfect Taiwanese too!
Two of them that I'm thinking about right now are from An1-hui1 and
Si4-chuan1 respectively.  I don't see them ever being mistreated
or "left out of the circle" by BSR's.  I really think that language
is a big thing here -- if you learn to speak Taiwanese, Taiwanese people
will treat you like Taiwanese.

>	Is there anyone still remember Hwang2 June4 Shiun2 and his
>	Yun Shan Da Ru Shia?

I'm not sure what "Yun Shan Da Ru Shia" is, but I remember Shi3 Yan4-wen2
and Zhong1-guo2 Qiang2 and neng3-ki4-e (Taiwanese: two-teeth?) and
Bi4-diao1....  I was a BIG   B I G   fan of bu4-dai4-xi4 for most of
my childhood years.

>But it is unfair to treat all mainlanders as one group on this matter.
>You said not many people care much about this difference, I believe
>that based on my own experiences. And yet it is hard for me to believe
>the stubborn ones would change even ALL mainlanders speak taiwanese.

Yes, it is unfair to treat all mainlanders as one group.  But I think
we all do that in one way or another -- to black people, for example,
or to Hispanics, or to mainlanders (READ: Da4-lu4 tong2-bao1)...etc..
It's wrong, but I do it sometimes myself.  :-(

>|> Anyway, as for me, I would very much like my kids (not that I have any
>|> right now) to know Mandarin and Taiwanese.  I'll probably have them
>|> live in Taiwan for the first 11 years of their lives.
>
>You have my best wishes, let me know when it happens.

Heh, that will be quite a long while from now.

>As for meself, I am working on to get a contract so that I can work in
>taiwan for a few month and if it works I will bring my first born with me.

Best of luck!  Wait, does it mean you're leaving soc.culture.taiwan?  :-(

-Charles


*** Om Ma-Ni Pad-Me Hung *** | "Hey, Charles, have you been 'waiting' all
============================ |  your life?" -- Thao D. "the creature" Vo
   Charles Wei-Ting Tang     | ===========================================
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From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Taiwan Olympic results- a summary
Date: 13 Aug 1992 19:24:42 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu


In light of all the serious discussion going on about BSR and WSR, this may
seem trivial by comparison, but mabye it will be a good change of pace.

I found a list of Taiwan atheletes and how they did in the World Journal, and
here is a summary.  I'm not all that great with names, so I won't include
them, but if your interested in who, send me email and I'll do my best.

For Barcelona '92, a total of 37 atheletes from Taiwan competed, as follows:

20 in baseball (Silver, as you know.  Yes!!!)
Six in taekwondo (three women, all of which won golds, and three men, two of
which won bronze)
3 in archery (one finished seventh, and all three made round of 16)
1 in weightlifting (finished 14th in 56kg div.)
2 in shooting (one finished 11th in free pistol and 31st in air pistol,
other got 35 in air pistol)
2 in judo (one made repachage)
2 in women's track (one made quarterfinals in 100 and 200, other abandoned 
heptathlon)
One in mens cycling.

So this time, the medal count was 3-1-2, as compared to Seoul, where it was
2-0-3, and LA where it was 0-0-2.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Languages vs. Dialects, suppression
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 15 Aug 1992 12:40:30 GMT
Keywords: Caucasian vs Asian-American

In article <1992Aug14.224046.4776@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>
>The term "min3nan2hua4" is an inaccurate term to refer to
>H"ol"o.  The Ministry of Education commissioned Professor
>Chao YuanRen to survey languages in China, and MinNan was
>only a geographical region, not a linguistic region.
>The MinNan area included ChaoZhou but ChaoZhou's language
>is not H"ol"o.  Professor Chao was unable to finish his
>survey of the Minnan region due to the war, and later
>acknowledged that the term Minnan is a false linguistic
>classification.
>

Why isn't ChaoZhou Hua HoLo? As far as I know, ChaoZhou Hua, ZhangZhou Hua
and QuanZhou Hua are all very similar. People from those three places can
communicate with each other. I think my question can also be asked in 
another way: What is HoLo?

Chou1
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in Taiwan
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:10:38 GMT
Organization: UB


 
 hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
 
> An easier alternative to this challenging project is to push
> Den Hsin Ju to do such.  Given Taiwan's size, a nationwide
> fiber network is very feasible.  Some form of data networking
> beyond dial up and leased line is also urgently needed.  And
> LOWER THE RATE TO CALL US :-).
>
   ** Yes. Because of small size of area, it is very feasible in Taiwan.
      The similar thing: I was told that HK or Singapore had done Field Try
                         of ISDN because of small size???????? Not very sure!
      How about Taiwan?
 
> I have little idea about what Taiwan is doing in telecommunications.
> Can someone post what she/he knows?  Thanks.
>
   ** If my memory serves correctly, we have optic fiber ( Trunks ) from
      Taipei to Kauchung ??????  Not very sure again!
 
---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:56 PDT
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
Nf-ID: #R:cyen.713874972@ponder:1843998687:cdp:1474900010:000:253
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 17 08:56:00 1992



Dear Tan Kim Wee,

I agree, Singapore is perfectly clean. Let's shrink Taiwan down to Singapore's
size, and it will be easyer to be kept clean. Moreover: Deng Xiao Ping wanted
to use the Singapore experience. That'll be some shrinking! :-)

bye, Goetz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:14:08 GMT

In article <92226.212345U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>  Please read articles carefully. I never said free speech was equal to
>  not taking responsibility. I repeat my words again (with emphasis) :
>
>  " Netnews is a system in which people express or exchange their own
>  opinions without paying attention to who agree or who do not.
>  ONLY IF IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW can nobody interfere with what people
>  say.  This is part of the freedom of speech."

	Thank you for your reminder, I did try to read it `CAREFULLY'.
	That is at least what I can do to show my respect to you.

	Your assertion is wrong. You will be interfered with what you said
	even if it is not against the law (I wonder what speech is against
	the law in the netnews environment; certainly not "fire!!").
	4-letter words does not violate the law, but you may get kicked out
	of the net for using it here.

	You are subject to be audited by your organization and your access
	can be taken away as they see appropriately.

	Not signing your name or email address does not seem to be taken
	responsibility of what you say to me. Many newspapers require
	readers sign their name/address in their letter before publishing
	them. Same thing applies on talk radio shows with the telephone
	number and name (and 5~10 second delay). Maybe your organization does
	not require that, but this seems to be a general principle otherwise 
	you won't see disclaimers all over the net.

	Frankly, I don't care whether you sign your name or not, but your
	idea of net usages is not right. If no one sign his/her name in
	the postings, the netnews certainly won't be a better place in the
	long run.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:20:22 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <BtAyuG.Dpn@me.utoronto.ca>, trieu@me.utoronto.ca (Trieu C. Chau) writes:
> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
> 
> >In article <9208181834.AA18082@abacus.hut.fi> pan@abacus.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
> >>Questions about romanization of Chinese in Taiwan:
> >> 
> What is the difference between Pinyin phoneticization, and Chu-Yin phon-
> eticization?  I was originally taught Chu-Yin, using the the BoPoMoFo
> symbols, but getting used to Pinyin was no problem, since the same type
> of initial sounds and final sounds exist in both systems.  The only 
> practical difference I can see is that Pinyin uses Western characters
> to represent the different sounds, and Chu-Yin uses symbols.
> 

The so-called  Chu-Yin phoneticization is not using symbols; those are
Chinese characters not for daily use.

> Also, how is the Chu-Yin system used (how are words/characters transcribed
> from Chinese to English characters)?
> 
> -- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Re: about air-lines across pacific...
Keywords: air-lines, pacific
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:09:53 GMT

Hmm, don't know about United, but I took Northwest Orient LAX-TPE in 1989 
and the srvice really stunk.  (Also, almost the whole plane was booked 
Japanese tour groups.  NWO must give them special deals or something).
:::::Larry:::::

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: gli@ces.cwru.edu (Gwangpeng Li)
Subject: Desperately Seeking Yen-Wen Chen
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:17:26 GMT


              ---/ --|--   ---|--|---        |
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               | \ |-|-|    | |  | |       \   /
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               |  / \| \_  /   | |  \_    /     \__

    Hello, out there, does anyone know where Yen-Wen Chen, from
National Taiwan University, Chemistry Department, is now?  My friend
Shi-Ming Chang is desperately looking for her!  Yen-Wen Chen was
supposed to study at U. of Michigan a few years ago.

    Any information will be appreciated!

Gwangpeng Li
-- 
Gwangpeng Li,     computer engg, case western reserve u., cleveland, oh 44106
                  gli@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hwang@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Kailan Hwang)
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:06:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.001636.14987@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
=In article <1992Aug20.175939.15457@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes:
=>
=>A message from my colleague at NYC.
=>------------------------------------------------------------------------
=>As expected, south korea is terminating diplomatic relation with Taiwan
=>within several weeks according to today's world journal. South Korea
=>promised Mainland China the following:
=>
=>1. Recognize "one China" policy.
=>2. Terminate all coorperations with Taiwan.
=>3. Mainland will inherit Taiwan embassy property (I heard it is located
=>   the most expensive section of Seoul and worth billions of US dollars)
=>4. provides large economic aid to Mainland.
=>
=>Taiwan is seeking to take actions e.g., terminate trading favor status to S.
=>korea which has been granting many years (tried to please S. Korea) causing
=>hugh trade deficit with S. Korea each year.

=I hope people from Taiwan do not consider this as a "defeat", do not have any
=bitternese.  Taiwan has 20 million population and mainland has 1.1 billion.
=For the sake of fairness, Taiwan should not compete in internaional arena
=with mainland politically, otherwise other nations will take advantage
=of the division across the Strait. Taiwan achieved great deal economically, 
=is admired by most of Chinese in mainland, does not have a need to seek
=recognition of her achievement through competetion with mainland in
=international politics. 


S. Korea is KMT's so called Forever Brother country. According to
KMT, S. Korea will Never betray KMT's ROC.

Anyway, "Never" in KMT's dictionary is equaled to
"Will happen in the near future" in the normal people.


The more successful of CCP's competing with KMT, the more
Taiwanese favors TI or IT or whatever and certainly not Unification.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:00:28 GMT


A message from my colleague at NYC.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
As expected, south korea is terminating diplomatic relation with Taiwan
within several weeks according to today's world journal. South Korea
promised Mainland China the following:

1. Recognize "one China" policy.
2. Terminate all coorperations with Taiwan.
3. Mainland will inherit Taiwan embassy property (I heard it is located
   the most expensive section of Seoul and worth billions of US dollars)
4. provides large economic aid to Mainland.

Taiwan is seeking to take actions e.g., terminate trading favor status to S.
korea which has been granting many years (tried to please S. Korea) causing
hugh trade deficit with S. Korea each year.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: Translated Taiwanese Poem (3)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:29:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.164133.20057@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug17.152830.18233@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes...
>
>>Note: Gwe3-Gu3-Tz3 (ghost valley son) was the teacher of the two most
>>      famous strategists during Warring Nation Era, namely, Chang1 Chin2 
>>      and Su1 Yi2.
>
>A netter kindly pointed out the error in the above.
>
>*** "I think you mean to say "Zhang1 Yi2" and "Su1 Qin2" ***


Aren't the two students of Gue3 Gu3-zi3's military strategy Sun Bing4
and Pang2 Juan?  I am confused.

TY Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:41:06 GMT

>         I don't know what is "RTFM" and "RTM".

No big deal. But this is supposed to be known at the first time you read net
news. I guess it's somewhere at news.announce.newusers or something like that.
"RTM" is "Read The Manual." And guess what is that big "F" in the middle?

Next time if you ask your system administrator some questions and he is
very impatient to tell you "RTFM", you'd better know what does it mean.

>         Well, I only stated my disagreement with the definition of what is
>        personal attack in the net and the usage of the network with the
>        original poster.
>
>        You don't need a statement like this to disagree. You can state
>        your reason, can't you? Why all of a sudden I becomes the issue?
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu

Sorry, don't get mad.
Just like you don't enjoy my words, I don't enjoy public statements like 
"your idea of net usages is not right."

My view is that if the organization of Mr. U123456 
(sorry I can't recall the number)
does not requre him to sign, why you are forcing others to do something
he doesn't like to do? Isn't that "Chiang2 Ren2 Swuo3 Nain2", right?
Talking like God Father, "your idea of net usages is not right", 
is not very pleasant to me, at least.

I don't think I named anyone. Don't over-react.
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An Old Joke about xxx
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:20:03 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <liang.713644911@ash.cs.scarolina.edu>, liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang) writes:
> jll@loki.cc.nd.edu (Junlei Li) writes:
> 
> >I guess maybe some people out there might want to give this answer to the 
> >question "Is TaiWan a part of China?":
> >  
> >	No, China is a part of Taiwan!
> 
> >Isn't that a perfect answer! Isn't that one better than the answer" That's
> >a rumor!"
> 
> I prefer that Mainland, Taiwan, Hongkong and Macau are parts of CHINA.

And Tibet. 

Outer Mongolia and Korean Peninsula should belong to China, but right now.
Nepal, Bhutan, Vietnam, Burma, Siberia, Russia, Japan, Hungary, ....., 
could have been parts of China.

This is a snowball effect. The territory of China has been changed a lot
through centuries. Looking at the example of the former Soviet Union,
are Chinese still having the sentiments when someone redefined the
territory of China?

  
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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou ~{E7OHIz~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwanese Pop Music
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:00:29 GMT

In article <6297@ucru2.ucr.edu>, lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
> 
> Is there anyone reading this group from Taiwan who won't mind
> posting an occasional list of Taiwan's current popular songs?
> I'm really out of touch (as I'm sure a lot of other people are)
> when it comes to Taiwan's popular music.

What about Wang Chieh "IX" or Andy Lau or Leon Lai or Guo1 Foo4 Chen2?
I don't know, I am probably outdated also....

Speaking of Taiwanese music, did "Chou4 Chuan2 and the Red Cross"
broke up?  (the band that sang "I am a little little bird" and the
only hetal metal group in Taiwan)
It seems that the name of the group was changed since the 2nd album.
Answers anybody???

Thanks.

Brandon
--
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University of Arizona         Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: From a woman's view on lightbulb
Summary: needle in the deep sea
Keywords: Maybe she's not interested in you, man!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:50:03 GMT

  Well, from my own experience, once I was used as a lightbulb UNconsciously.
I finally found it out after my friend (a girl) told me that she was really not
interested in the guy she was dating.  Why didn't the girl just give the guy a 
big R (refuse or reject, whatever)?  Good question!  Well, she said, "I don't 
wanna hurt his heart...; besides, I think you both are much more suitable." 
How ridiculous!  What am I?  A dog for matching?  She just threw him like a 
garbage to me (then I became a garbage can).

  So my point is, sometimes women's hearts are really "needles in the deep 
sea".  They are so deep and confusing for even a woman like me to fogure it 
out.

  Watch out, men!

--Christine
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Languages vs. Dialects, suppression
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:08:29 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug17.084202.3624@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>	** HoLo is a term used by TIers to make everybody confused. 
>	   The best way to understand "HoLo" is: it is a political
>	   term. 

In a desperate attempt at preventing a useless flame war, let me point
out that the classification of languages is often determined more by
politics than by purely linguistical considerations.

Danish and Norwegian, for example, are considered different
"languages" because Danes and Norwegians consider themselves
different.  Similarly, Cantonese and Mandarin are considered different
"dialects" because most Cantonese and Mandarin speakers consider
themselves not different.

In cases, where this issue is controversial, then you are going to
have lots of arguments.

Most professional linguists are smart enough not to involve themselves
in these types of fights.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: No Taiwanese?!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:09:05 GMT


In article <17AUG92.09051113@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw>, u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw writes...
>   In Aug.11, KMT female Legislator, Chow1-Chuan2, said,
>   "Those KMTs who speak Taiwanese are bastard. (Bai4-Lei4)"
>   Oh, I feel so sorry for the hundred thousands of KMTs, who
>   speak Taiwanese as their mother language.
> 

She got a PhD in education(?) and was the one who strongly advocated the policy
that military officers should continue to keep their presence on campuses of
high schools and colleges.

I feel sorry for her and KMT.
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