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From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Missionary Aid
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:13:04 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

I could use some help if anyone is inclined...

I would like to know of books, etc, that can be used when debating/refuting
christian missionaries. I know of the book "You take Jesus, I'll take G-D",
and I am sure that there must be many more that are recommendable.

If anyone has any favorite arguments to use against such missionaries, I would 
appreciate hearing that too.

Is there a verse in the new testament that says/implies that if
someone requests a copy of their bible, then they have to give it to them?
I heard something like that once from a Rabbi who debates these guys
regularly, but I can't remember the quote.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Yossi
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Weddings on Saturday??
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:48:33 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <199208301348.AA08040@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>I assume  that the  reason few weddings  are performed  during daytime
>(except on Fridays) is that as we  do not have here a "Sunday", i.e. a
>day people do not  work like abroad, so most guests  would not be able
>to attend during  daytime, with catastrophic results on  the amount of
>presents. :-)
   That can't be the reason, as I'm sure Michael will agree after some
   reflection. Weddings in Israel are a zero sum game. The guests
   calculate the value of the meal and give a gift accordingly. Guests
   who don't show up are no net loss!
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:24:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <ALLEN.92Aug25161245@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
>Herman> conclusions one can get from the assumptions.  Reform Jews do not
>Herman> accept the statement that God literally wrote even the written Torah

>Why does the Reform Movement think of the Written Torah as being more
>important than other ancient texts?  How does it decide which texts
>(or parts thereof) are important and which are not?

The entire Tanakh was written down in its present form in the Maccabean
period, which makes it considerably older than any written copy of the
Mishnah.  Classical Reform even placed more importance on the prophets
than on the Torah.  But there is considerable evidence that the Sefer
Torah is, in its present form, at least immediate post-Exilic, and that
much of it must have been considerably pre-Exilic.  The agreement
between the Torah + Joshua and the Samaritan Bible is good, but not
excellent.

To the extent that there is any "official" Reform position, it is that these
works, as well as the Talmud, Responsa, etc., are considered as Divinely
inspired, and not to be ignored.  Different individuals place different
amounts of importance of these various things.  As I see it, the consensus
is that the one-line Sh'ma prayer itself it the theology, and that the
Ten Commandments come close to being directly from God, and it goes down
from there.

-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tanya Translation!!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:37:11 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

To: sgutfreund@gte.com
Subject: Re: Tanya 3 of 3
 
IM>> sg04%ploni@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund) writes:
 
IM>I have also noticed that the English Text you are entering does
IM>not match my Yiddish copy of Shiurim b'sefer Ha'Tanya, nor
IM>does it match the straight translation. I am curious where you
IM>are getting (creating?) this translation.
 
The Tanya that I have posted is from "LESSONS IN TANYA" - IGERET 
HAKODESH - the translation of SHIURIM BSEFER HATANYA. This volume is 
being published now.
 
What I have posted is now at the presses. I took out the Hebrew, as it 
appears in the printed version. I obtained the disks of the upcoming 
Sefer 
from Empire Press, the Company that is printing the Sefer, with complete 
permission from Rabbi Joseph Wineberg - who had the original text in 
Yiddish, and his son Rabbi
Sholom Wineberg, who translated the text into English, in the 
free-flowing 
form that you have read, and from Sichos in English that prepared the 
material for Empire Press. ('Twas not easy to get 'em all to go for it, 
especially since this volume is not even printed yet!.)
 
Inasmuch as there is the Hebrew text and the explanations, I put the
explanations in square brackets []. What is NOT in brackets is the
translation of text. However, to the reader if s/he disregards the 
brackets but reads the whole thing then (the Tanya and explanation) 
mold into one comprehensible text.
 
To date, I have managed to obtain the first 10 Chapters (Epistles) of 
Igeret Hakodesh and, I hope to be getting the first 3 parts 
(Likutei Amarim, Shaar Hayichud VeHoemnua, Igeret HaTeshuva) and the 
balance of Igeret HaKodesh, and when Kuntres Achron, comes out, G-d 
willing, that too.
 
As soon as I get them I'll be posting thru KesherNet and hopefully 
all of those who are out there in the computer world will benefit 
from this, through the good efforts of Murray Kahl, who is so kind to 
cross-post from KesherNet to USENET.
 
I hope this clarifies your question.
 
YY
 
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From: amir@leopard.gatech.edu (amir)
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:10:47 GMT

Almost everyone here loves Logic. Almost everyone is willing to listen
to the Pentateuch. Even our most ardent logicians seem fascinated by
the account of creation and its parallels in the theory of evolution
(lower life forms created first, followed by more and more complex).

By this logic, the entity created last is most superior. 

What (or rather who) was created last?

-- Ami


					
					-Amihood Amir (amir@cc.gatech.edu)
From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:15:47 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX

In article <1992Aug26.212833.4341@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>No.  The assumption is that God gave Moses the Mitzvot.  The events
>were only written down as they happened.  Even Moses wouldn't be given
>knowledge of the future, such as is printed in the Torah.
>


Why not?  After all, that *IS* a belief INCLUDED in the Divine Origin of
Torah.  Moshe was a prophet.  Moshe knew he wouldn't ever live in eretz


Not only did Moshe recieve the Torah from G-d (which our sages tell us
was created along with <or before> this universe), but he also recieved
the entire explanation of it.  Which he taught to his brother....



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From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: KILL MUGABE?
Keywords: anti-semitism
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:58:14 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

>              KILL MUGABE?
> 
> Recently the communist dictator of Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe, may he rot in hell
> 
> When criticized for his comments the bastard barbarian repeated his comments 
> a meeting with his filthy PLO pals, justifying his comment by saying that Jew
> 
> What should we do about this. Personally I would like to kill Mugabe the
> bastard and in fact I feel that Jews should form an organization to hunt down
> ant-semites and punish them physically.
> 
> We cannot rely on Gentile laws to protect us (remember the way the pig who
> murdered Kahane got off because even in America the goyim believe that it is 
> to kill Jews.
> 
> Wipe out all anti-semites!!!
> 

 I would recomend naturman@uctavax.uct..ac.za to change his e-mail address to

                        NEANDERTALER@uctavax.uct.ac.za

 and to visit a psychiatrist, together with our good friend Hasan B.Mutlu: may
 be you will get a discount price.

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  Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
  Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27
  2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
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From: lev@cs.umd.edu (Lev Novik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Accomodations in Israel.
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:54:39 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Hello!
I am sorry if this post is unrelated to the general discussion here. I am going
to go to Israel this winter for the first time (gasp!). However, I am very much
"budget oriented", and as such, would like to find out about the cheapest
accomodations available in major cities.
I have heard about Youth Hostels (I am a student), but they are said to require
some sort of membership. Does anyone know more about it, or can direct me to 
the source?
Thank you very much,
	--Lev Novik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Why was Tanya printed around the world
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:27:59 GMT

david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
	The worldwide printing of Tanya, though not really needing
	justification (any more than the printing and translation of any
	important work, from Torah through Shulchan Aruch to, l'havidil,
	Shakespeare, etc.) is in fulfillment of the answer Moshiach gave to
	the Baal Shem Tov, when asked, "When will the Master come?" The reply:
	"When your Wellsprings spread forth."

Did the Baal Shem Tov actually have a dialogue with the Mashiach?

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: s1137020@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mariusz Prokopczyk)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:30:31 GMT

In article <300@chorus.chorus.fr> mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.102942.14139@walter.cray.com>, aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>
>%% Did anybody count and classified victims ? I remember, that in block
>%% I spent childhood in Poland there were 4 families (among 12) that
>%% lost their relatives in Auschwitz, among them 1 Jewish family.
>%% That proves nothing, but among victims were almost all
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ps.MP
>%% nationalities, certainly at the top were Jews and Poles. How do
>%% you know Krzysztof, that Matthew was wrong ?             ^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ps.MP

>Ridiculous. If all Polish Jews have been killed, in your block
>there would be 3 families out of 11 that lost relatives in
>Auschwitz, and none of them would be Jewish.

It is really interesting that some writers cannot (or do not want to)
see the underlined by me parts.

Can we say it is due to their prejudice?

Mariusz Prokopczyk
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:51:34 EDT
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
 <92241.203930EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Aug28.200119.26092@rs.com>

Mazal tov! Ani sameach she-ata gam Israeli! Kol hakavod!
Now after that bit of mild criticism....
I was pointing out (as I thought was obvious, but then again...) that not all a
re equal in the face of Israeli law.  I was not comparing who has what advantag
es.  And, are you telling me that a Palestinian living in Israel is better of t
han a Jew living in Israel?!  It sure sounds that way.

Understand, I support Israel: I don't completely agree with giving the "occupie
d" territories away (with the exception of retzuat Aza). That the rest of the
 world is blind to the other side of that issue (the territorial- Palestinian
"mistreatment" issue) is a shame.  The other Arab countries have been less than
 kind to the Palestinians, and where was the rest of the world when Jordan and
Egypt "occupied" the Palestian (original) territories (the Balfour Dec.).

I don't think that you're so sorry that you are an Israeli citizen with all the
 right available to you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lexier@fraser.sfu.ca (Lyle Lexier)
Subject: Re: German and spanish speaking SCJ users!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:29:33 GMT

tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:




>I'm very interested to know how many SCJ users are in german speaking
>countries  (Austria-Germany-Luxenburg-Switzerland)  and users  living
>in any other country who can speak,read and/write in german: it could
>be very interesting to create a jewish mailing list in german. Please
>mail me the answers.  THE SAME APPLIES FOR SPANISH!


>D E U T S C H !!
>----------------
>Ich bin sehr interessiert zu wissen wieviel  USENET  users lesen  SCJ
>regelmaessig in der  BRD-Luxenburg-Oesterreich-Schweiz  (und wer) und
>haetten vielleicht interesse in eine juedische mailing list in deutscher
>Sprache teilzunehmen.  Dieses gilt auch fuer  deutschsprechende users
>von SCJ in andere Laender ausser die obengenannten,  z.B. Neuseeland. 
>Bitte meldet euch bei mir per mail.


>E S P A N~ O L
>--------------
>Tengo mucho interes  en tomar contacto con usuarios de  SCJ  de habla
>castellana (espan~ol) de cualquier parte del mundo. Seria interesante
>establecer una mailing list judia en castellano, pero para ello es ne-
>cesario saber cuantos usuarios dominan este idioma Y tendrian interes 
>en participar en ella.  Ruego a los interesados  ponerse  en contacto
>conmigo via mail. Informacion para los curiosos: soy chileno,de Valpa-
>raiso pero residente en Alemania desde .... demasiado tiempo atras.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
>  Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27
>  2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------



Hallo Manfredo,
     Das ist ganz interessant zu sehen judische Leute, die Deutsch spricht
und schreibt.  Ich wusste nicht, das Juden Deutsch wissen.
 
For non-Germans
     This is quite interesting to see Jewish people who speak and write
German.  I didn't know that Jews know German.
 

Ludwig Lebrechthausen
(actually Lyle Lexier)


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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Crowley's Significance? (Hitler)
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:06:12 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Sep1.011634.18392@lsil.com> jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291) writes:

>Warren writes:
>> I'm not interested in having *that* discussed here, either.

>I believe this subject matter is valid on this board.  In fact, any subject
>matter that has an effect on Jewish culture especially when raised by Jews
>should be valid material on this board.  If there are differences of opinion,
>let them be discussed; but alienation of Jews is definitely not the answer.

>As we enter the month of Elul, we should remember to be considerate of the
>unique backgrounds of each other.

Does that consideration extend to discussion of different religions?
I think not.  "*that*" in the section of my message that you quoted
referred to discussions of how mystic beliefs of other religions
affect Jews.  Such discussions cannot fail to attract members of other
religions who will naturally feel compelled to defend their religion
against attack.

As to the topic of Crowley, since there exists a newsgroup called
alt.magick which exists for discussions of his, and similar, writings,
I do not think that I am being inconsiderate in my polite request that
discussions of Crowley take place in that newsgroup and not in this one.

Anyone who believes that the topic is of interest to Jews who might
not already be subscribed to alt.magick could simply post a note to
scj saying "there's a discussion of X going on in newsgroup Y, take a
look there if you're interested, and set followups to Y.
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 |__/__/_/     is a very publishing house apple.
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From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
	<BtLqFq.JrI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	<1992Aug26.184343.3724@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:32:15 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:43:43 GMT, jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) said:

In article <1992Aug26.184343.3724@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

Joel> In article <BtLqFq.JrI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <17eihqINN1sb@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:

Howard>>How do you explain the numerous places where it says "vaydabber adonai el
Howard>>moshe leimor"?  Or, for that matter, "v'zot hatorah asher sam moshe lifnei
Howard>>b'nai yisrael *al pi adonai* b'yad moshe"?

Herman>As for the latter, I do not believe that this appears in the Torah itself.

Joel>    Yes and no. The first part, up to yisrael, is from D'varim 4:44. The
Joel>    remainder from Bamidbar 9:23.

Further, "Vaydaber Hashem el Moshe Leimor" is often followed by "daber
(say, tell) el bnei yisrael" or  "tzav (command) el bnei yisrael"
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But those who toiled knew nothing of the dreams of 
        Those Who Planned;                         
And the minds who planned the Tower of Babel       
        Cared nothing for the workers who built it.

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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:04:27 GMT

In article <92239.113903CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ToraByte
<CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

> Kiddush is a type of sanctification. However, it's not the same. Hashem was
>the one who sanctified the day (see Bereishis 2:3). In a sense, our 'kiddush'
>is an acknowledgement and recreation of that kiddush that Hashem made. The
>type of 'kiddush' that is not permitted is originating a 'kiddush' that didn't
>exist before.

A accept this only if you know your are _not_ marrying your Bashert.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee)
Subject: Violent antisemitism?
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:39:07 GMT

In article <matthew.715515431@mugga> matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
>hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>>...
>>Poland was violently Anti-Semetic, 
>>Hayim Hendeles
>What sort of history classes would YOU recommend I go to. I'm really
>eager to learn the TRUTH. Thanks in advance for any pointers.
>MB

I doubt if Mr. Handeles can serve for any recommendation in this matter. 

It is a basic historical fact that over centuries Jews were moving to 
Poland from all over Europe b e c a u s e  of  v i o l e n t antisemitism
This was the reason why Jewish population in Poland was so numerous as
reaching 10% of population before WWII. And this was the reason why 
Jewish population in Western Europe diminished to relatively low 
numbers (in Warsaw alone there were more Jews living before WWII 
than in the whole France). Obviously, when Jews were expelled from 
e.g. Spain five centuries ago, or were prohibited to enter, e.g.
Scandinavia until the mid XIX century, or were being forced to 
convert/assimilate in other places, antisemitism in these lands was
nonexistent afterwards ;-). 

Using Mr. Handeles logic and style of accusations, one could say that 
let Poland applied the others' "solutions", there would be no grounds 
for the present discussion. Fortunately, one averts this style of thinking 
by knowing that Jews moving to Poland were accepted there as  
r e f u g e e s from oppression. and as such they were given safe heaven,
an admirable gesture of humanly behavior. Nobody was then expelling them, 
nobody was forcing them to change their skin, they were living through
centuries developing their own culture, language, and religion, a separate,
isolated and mostly highly orthodox, society. Was there any other such place?


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