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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:55:00 EST
From:         GSABO@JCVAXA.JCU.EDU
Subject:      REACTION TO COMMENTS OF PREVIOUS TWO WEEKS

My fellow recipients of Slovak-L,
        I would like to thank George Frajkor for the information he has
recently supplied, but especially for reminding all of us that whatever are
views and however strongly we fell them does not allow us to be DISRESPECTFUL
of another person and that we should be aware that our views however
passionately felt and believed to be ocrrect can also be viewed by others as
OUR PREJUDICES.  I have been on this listing only s short two weeks and have
enjoyed the "conversations" immensely.  However, I think that a professional,
thinking, scholarly group should be much more tolerant ans sensitive to others.
I recall that the late Pope John XXIII once said that he could not accpet the
ideology of communism but could readily and whole heartily welcome and accept a
communist who is first of all a human being.  Such an attitude inspired Pier
Paolo Pasolini--a convinced Marxist--to produce and direct the film "The Gospel
according to St. Matthew" in honor of John XXIII.
        Again, I thank everyone for making this listing such an intersting
experience.  And please continue the discussion but in a civil and professional
manner.  We will all profit.
        Gerald J. Sabo, S.J.
  Department of Classical and Modern Languages and Cultures
  John Carroll University
  University Heights, OH  44118-4581
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  e-mail: Bitnet--GSABO@JCVAXA  Internet--GSABO@JCVAXA.JCU.EDU
From: KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS
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Subject: Re: Proper Names for Czech and Slovak Republics
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:57:30 GMT
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Slovenska' republika
Slovensko
-------------------------
Slovakia
SQ


Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Slovakia
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From: danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon)
Subject: Re: Report in RFE/RL Mail
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:28:34 GMT

In article <m0nGe5h-000A7eC@ais.org> Daniel Romanchik <danr@AIS.ORG> writes:

>Is it just me, or does this bother other people?  Sounds like Slovakia
>is slowly reverting to old ways.
>
>Dan Romanchik

I also like the cavalier way he handpicks his own supreme court judges.
This guy sure knows what's good for him!

Joe Pannon
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From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:      Let put this in proper perspective

With great amusement I read the posting in Slovak language which ended
with the infamous "NA STRAZ." The one response that surprised me was
by Henry Kucera, where he said something like it's no wonder Slovak
Republic gets bad reputation. I expected George Frajkor and other
to jump on this--and no one did.

Considering the source of the posting, it has absolutely no reflection
on the Slovak Republic or the Slovak nation. It has about as much
relevance as the US Nazi party portrayed in "The Blues Brothers."
The same would be true if the statements were made by a deranged
person or a group in Slovakia, as long as it a fringe phenomenon.
It would be relevant if statements of that sort were made by an
official, or a by group of significant political power or popularity.
Thank God, that's not the case.

I am disappointed to see this sort of unfair treatment.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Decoded text "Women Ambassadors"

Many thanks to L. Hammer for the decode of Slovak Women Ambassadors.
From these notes it has become adaquately clear that there has been an
effort to keep women "in their places" in CS under communist rule.  Has
this become a national trait, however?  What are present trends?  How do
Slovaks view the professional woman?

BTW I never used the term "quota", others more willing to read that into my
 question used it.

Such jumps of interpretation sometimes interfere with rational discourse.

TNX anyway.......Laci Pook
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:16:20 -0500
From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Proper Names for Czech and Slovak Republics

Actually, I assume Bill should know.

Did he not visit Prague when he was a student in England and after he
visited the Soviet Union?

george bauer
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Subject: Presidential election
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:17:41 GMT
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The first president of Slovak republic has not been elected yesterday.

Candidates             Parties            voices
---------------------------------------------------
R.Kovac                (HZDS)              69
M.Vtacnik              (SDL)               30
A.Neuwirth             (KDH)               27
J.Prokes               (SNS)               17

The second round of election will be held today. The 2/3 majority
is needed for electing president. The first two candidates from
previous round passed to next one.




(PRAVDA-... V.Havel was elected as the first Czech president. The
yesterday's presidential election may be characterised as uncultural
due to contribution of ZPR-RSC (Sladek's) MPs mainly. They used the
presence of TV on the ground of Czech parliament for political
meeting of their own with traditional scenario--libeling governing
parties and the rest of three candidates, the past of V. Havel mainly.
While republicans cheers the moral qualities of their candidate, Mr.
Sladek locked up several journalist at WC and insulted Mr. Tomas
Fejtar(ODS). The chairman Mr. Milan Uhde was forced to drop the
discusion for half of hour because of technical reasons--anonymous
telephone call anounced  that semtex is placed in one of TV cameras.
)




Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Slovakia
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From: petras@scs.carleton.ca (juraj petras)
Subject: Re: appx to "your information ...."
Reply-To: petras@scs.carleton.ca
Organization: School of Computer Scince, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:04 GMT

> I don't know where the filter is but I guess that my personal
> reactions are not enough to change this situation
> Maybe if you share the same opinion after some time of regular
> postings of their news here, maybe you will have similar
> feelings and more voices can do more.
> What do you think, Henry ?
> 
> Tomas Blazek
> blazek@mps.ohio-state.edu


Dont't blame non-Slovaks.
There is no filter because there is no regular information flow on network 
from Slovakia.
I tried to initiate some action to start something similar like Carolina but
without any success. I did not even initiate  discussion on this topic in the
newsgroup. I  seems to me that nobody read my postings in Slovakia.
I would be glad if this is true because I am Slovak, too and I cannot believe
that we are not able to produce weekly buletin  with so many Internet sites
in Slovakia connected directly. It is a work and it hurts sometimes
but to  keep the reputation of a newborn is very important.

Hopefully now something....

Juraj Petra's'
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From:         TOMAS BLAZEK & RENATA BLAZEKOVA <BLAZEK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      RFE/RL cont'd

Ahojte,
Yesterday I started to post here something which is not
a discussion and so I am not very sure it has the right
place here.
I can imagine that many of you don't consider this sort of
contributions as apropriate for this group. Please just
let me know and I'll stop with such postings. However,
I consider this topic quite important and I think the
information about the further development can be interesing.
Hence I'm adding the copy of my letter to Mr. Lodeesen from
today:


Dear Mr. Lodeesen,
     As a first thing I am very glad you responded to my letter.
Thank you very much. I read both your messages very carefully,
the long one to the Slovak-l discussion list and the next one
sent directly to me. I appreciated your information very much.
Also, once more I'd like to repeat that transferring the RFE/RL
Daily Report into the publicly accessible network was the decision
deserving thanks and appreciation of all of us -
 - ordinary users . I personally enjoy it very much and I'm
sorry I cannot express it by other means than just ordinary
THANK YOU.
     I hope I explained the reasons why I wrote the first letter
clearly enough there. Had been anything happenning in Slovakia it has
never been reported in the Daily Report referring to domestic
Slovak press agency (TA SR). I wouldn't mind
if I could read the views of both Czech press agency
and of Slovak press agency. But especially when the news is ne-
gative I would like to know what the domestic Slovak sources
report about it and I would like to be a filter myself.

With respect to your answer I am badly surprised how many
important officials throughout the U.S. ( in fact , the world)
can at present read only biased reporting about Slovakia
since the CIS/E.E. Daily Report constantly contains
the information about Slovakia EXCLUSIVELY viewed
by other-than-Slovak press agencies.

     From your response I understood that there are separate
Slovak Service and Czech Service. Therefore, I think, the raw
news from Slovak press agency are not unattainable. Thus it
doesn't seem to me to be O.K. to choose ALWAYS only the
view of Czech service about the events in Slovakia
and put just those views into the limited CIS/Eastern
Europe Daily Report. I'll be very glad to respond to your offer
and ask you where I can send my voice reflecting this current
state. If I've understood correctly it's the staff which makes
the choices about the selection into the CIS/Eastern Europe
Daily Report. Would you be so kind and put me in touch with the
right person to explain my views at the right place?
      Thanks in advance.
                    With all respect to your work, to your
                    service and to your kindness

                                        Tomas Blazek

                                        blazek@mps.ohio-state.edu


Tomas Blazek
blazek@mps.ohio-state.edu
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From:         TOMAS BLAZEK & RENATA BLAZEKOVA <BLAZEK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      RFE cont'd

Ahojte!
I'd like to continue in the little series about why the RFE/RL
Daily Report never contains information about Slovakia
from TA SR (official Slovak Press Agency) and/or other
Slovak domestic sources.

As a first thing I have to thank Mr.Lodeesen for his kindness
and willingness to respond and to give as close information as possible.

Let me now post a relevant piece from his reply containing
the direct response from Germany:

Mr.Lodeesen writes:
"I do now have a new reply from Munich, but it only restates what I told you
before       .....   can give you the correct wording:
      "The problem is that we currently do not get TASR
       (Slovak Press Agency) in the house, and our other
       Slovak sources are at least a day old by the time
       they arrive.  Obviously, we would prefer to use
       Slovak sources and will do so as soon as we can get them."
  For you information, I don't believe that means that we are unable to get
TASR at all.  It means that we do not have the service from them yet.  I know
that it is read and that the lateness is the major problem. "


 Immeditely I raised a question why it is that TA SR is so uncompetitive
in reaching RFE/RL  and  Mr.Lodeesen replied that this is not the
RFE/RL business and we have to try to get the answer.
 So has anybody a friend at home related to TA SR? I would appreciate
very much any comments from that side since I don't understand at
all...  I thought the country's official press agency should have
something more than a telephone.

If anybody can connect somebody from TA SR to this series,
please , do so. I'll be very glad if this is not the end of the story.

Thanks to all who supported the first letter and tried to help
RFE people in doing even more perfect job.

Tomas Blazek
blazek@mps.ohio-state.edu
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:28:09 EST
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Proper Names for Czech and Slovak Republic

>Posted on 25 Jan 1993 at 21:16:46 by GEORGE BAUER
>Actually, I assume Bill should know.
>
>Did he not visit Prague when he was a student in England and after he
>visited the Soviet Union?
>
>george bauer

Yes, he did, in 1969, I think. And he stayed with Mrs. Sverma (the widow
of the Communist leader who was killed during the Slovak uprising in '44) and
her daughter and son-in-law. By that time, Mrs. Sverma was a dissident of
sorts, although still a Communist. At any rate, she could have explained the
proper terminology to him since she spoke some English.

I don't want to carp but I am a 1948 dissident, a little earlier than some.

Best regards, H.K.
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From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RFE/RL (SQ) 93-03

It is probably my fault, but I don't understand the sudden proliferation
of RFE-related postings.

I don't know if they are duplicates, forwarded messages, a new report,
or what.   And I don't have the time to read each one carefully to determine
if they are duplicate messages or parts of messages already posted.

Will someone clear up this problem for me?

Thank you.

george bauer
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Subject: DOMAIN NAMES
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:14:18 GMT
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For somtime now, I have modifying DOMAIN NAMES to route all domains
with either interconnect.YES or interconnect.MX to SMTP on OHSTVMA.

A recent error mail would not have occurred if I had left the
domain ASU.EDU alone, thereby allowing the mail to MAILER@ASU.

I am presently running LMAIL 1.1B, and TCP/IP v1.2.2.  (Yes I know that
TCP/IP v1.2.2 is no longer supported).

Should I not be routing any domain with interconnect.MX to my SMTP
machine?
Thanks,
Duane
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From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: _possible_ death of BITNET
              21 Jan 1993 17:43:52 GMT from Node Management <NODMGT-L@UGA>

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:43:52 GMT Roger Watt <rwwatt@WATSERV1.UWATERLOO.CA>
said:

>I've never  been a  devotee of  communication via NMR,  but I  think the
>unsolicitied file transfer  is already a "done deal". MIME  now gives me
>the ability to include an arbitrary  file as an "attachment" in the body
>of an RFC822  mail object and send  it to you in an  RFC821 wrapper, and
>(if your mail-reading  tool supports MIME too) gives you  the ability to
>save the received "attachment" into a file of your choice. If that isn't
>"unsolicited file transfer", it is pretty darned close.

This  is  what  the  Internet/unix community  would  like  executives  to
believe, and it seems that so  they at least partially succeeded. But the
reality is very different:

1. This only works for unix or  PC files, which are streams of bytes. But
   then who cares about obsolete non-unix systems?

2. I  have measured the  transfer rate of  this facility between  a large
   Sparc server (4 Sparc-2 CPU's if I am not mistaken) and a VM system on
   the same ethernet, at  3 in the morning. The VM  system was the sender
   and the program  to send the file was written  in a compiled language;
   the program was almost entirely I/O  bound and as you know IBM systems
   are pretty good  at that. On the  unix system I used MH  with the MIME
   patches. The transfer rate I got was 2 kilobytes per second (obviously
   FTP was in the hundreds of k).  File transfer? File crawlser is what I
   call it.

3. SMTP  does not  generally allow  you to transmit  files larger  than a
   certain amount  of bytes. There is  obviously no way to  know how many
   bytes you can send without trying  and guessing (I know a new revision
   of SMTP is  supposed to fix this,  but I'm not holding  my breath). In
   practice it means you have to  keep the segments at around 50k because
   this is  what seems to  work in  most places. Your  average executable
   file or backup saveset will be split into dozens of 50k segments, each
   of which will congenially beep your terminal when it arrives. Once you
   feel confident  that all 31  little pieces  have arrived, you  can run
   your MIME program  to attempt to reconstruct the original  file and be
   told that one is missing.

What a  huge step forward from  the old days of  these ridiculous punched
card machines!  I'm glad  we're getting rid  of this  obsolete technology
soon so we can all enjoy the superior Internet protocols.

  Eric
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From:         David E Boyes <dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: _possible_ death of BITNET
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              93 11:39 pm

> easily talk. Besides  which, it takes a  pretty serious PC to  get a good
> Internet service. If  you're going for low cost, putting  a full suite of
> Internet services on each  and every PC on campus may not  be a good deal
> at all.

I'm afraid that's no longer the case. scumbag.sesqui.net, our PC
portable is a 8086 laptop with a 2400 baud modem. It's quite
usable for anything other than large-scale FTP. In most cases,
the only thing that needs to live on a user's machine is client
code; the servers live on larger machines. Kermit over IP works
great on XT class machines, and with the rapid improvements in
bsd386 and Linux, the OS support for good multitasking, multiuser
network services is out there and growing rapidly.

The price of nicer machines is dropping rapidly -- a local
business supply has 386SX machines with B/W monitors for under
$1K US, and 14.4K modems are under $500. The hardware is
accessible off the shelf to ordinary people, and the software is
freely available to implement SLIP.  The cheapest thing I've seen
NJE implemented on was HUJI-NJE on a used Sun3, and while the
HUJI code is free, the Sun cost more used than a very nice
brand-new 486 PC with appropriate modem and software. I've never
seen an inexpensive machine that could run RSCS.

There's a real difference in what users perceive as useful and
what we percieve as useful as the people who operate the network.
Client code and ease of connectivity sells networking to Joe
User. He doesn't care about the other stuff. I'll have to agree
that LISTSERV is probably the one really stellar service that has
come out of the BITnet world that would be sorely missed. The
rest of the NJE stuff -- worrying about routing tables, RSCS
configuration, defining connections symmetrically, link weights,
etc -- I won't miss that a bit if BITnet goes toes up. I can't
imagine anyone asking an end user to deal with that kind of
nonsense. We have technophobe administrators and directors
running around the countryside with Mac Powerbooks and Worldsport
modems that are making real use of the Internet via SLIP, where
it's canned and they don't ever have to touch it again. I think
the way the users are going is pretty clear, and we're going to
have to come up with some more compelling reasons than "LISTSERV
uses it to optimize delivery" if we're to save BITnet in a lot of
places.
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From:         John Hammond <MAILMNT@UCONNVM.BITNET>
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              26 Jan 1993 15:21:42 EST from <HOOPER@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>

MX support was added im SMTP 1.2.2MX.
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From:         Tibor Diamant <J20I0DT@HUSZEG11.BITNET>
Subject:      ROUTE

ALTERNATE is a very useful parameter of the ROUTE statement of
RSCS V3.x. Is there any possibility to improve the GRIBM program
to generate ROUTE statements with ALTERNATE parameter?

I think this possibility could be an option of GRIBM (it could
be used only with RSCS V3.x). If the ALTERNATE parameter would
be generated by the GRIBM program, the network could not be so
static. I know there is a risk to get a loop.

                                        Tibor Diamant
                                     Node Administrator
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