HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Re: poltava on uofw
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:37:54 GMT

In article <1hqkp0INN9a8@corax.udac.uu.se> magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar) writes:
>
>  When France signed on there was no press, someone changed it. Then
>we could read this humble explanation in the press:
>
>
>     I'm the IDIOT who has changed this game to a press game. The idiot think
>if there are no communication in Diplomacy, it'll just a simple strategic game 
>and lose its value. The idiot also loves to play a diplomatic game rather than
>
>a mere strategic game, esp when there will be no more new game here (so the
>idiot can't set up a new game for the guys who loves press game) ...
>     So, I don't mind being the idiot. It is more important to play a press
>game.
>     I must say sorry to the guys who hate a press game... Sorry!
>
> IDIOT

  If you want to play a diplomacy game with press, sign up for a diplomacy
with press. Please do NOT change someone else's game from no-press to press.
Six other people wanted to play with no-press, why should your opinions 
outweigh theirs?

  The general rule is - Don't change the characteristics of a game without 
consent from all the players.

-David

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: starkey@netcom.com (Sean Starkey)
Subject: Re: Looking for assistance..
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:35:57 GMT

In article <92363.144619IO01255@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO01255@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>I am a vetran player of diplomacy and a slew of other war-games.  I was
>browseing through net-news and found that many of you were talking about
>playing diplomacy ( I assume) over the computers, and I was curious if
>someone could tell me how I could go about liking up to one of these
>games, as well as any other over the computer wargames.
>Thanks in advance..

Please read the FAQ before posting to any newsgroup.


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From: gummi@rhi.hi.is (Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Replacement needed
Keywords: replacement,diplomacy,judge
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:51:13 GMT


Game Ulm (Standard) on the Washington Judge needs a replacement for 
Russia.

Gummi
From: bob@werple.apana.org.au (Bob Blanchett)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Oi! did you play in "Baldrick"?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 23:15:57 +1100
Organization: Werple, Public Access *NIX, Oz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

If you played in "Baldrick" on the Now operational Australian Judge,
contact your former moderator for some interesting information....

Bob. (bob@werple.apana.org.au)
From: desper@math.rutgers.edu (Rick Desper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Jaguar - a warp game
Keywords: 24-hour deadlines
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:21:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


My game Jaguar needs only three more players before we can get
started.  Jaguar is a standard variant game, with 24-hour deadlines.
It is, I believe, the only standargagame which still needs players, so
if you would like to get into a standard game, and can keep up with 24
hour deadlines, sign onto Jaguar.  It is being played on the EFF
Judge: judge@morrolan.eff.org
					Rick Desper
					Master - Jaguar
From: magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Gunboat p} Sydafrikanska Judgen.
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:12:25 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: solaris.astro.uu.se


  Jag har nu startad ett gunboat p} den sydafrikanska judgen. Det
{r ett same-site vilket om det fungerar ska till}ta spelare
fr}n }tminstone Sverige. Om just DU inte f}r signa p}, s} {r
jag intresserad av att f} veta det.

  Nu spelas tv} svenska, (inga norska eller danska spel eller
spelare tyv{rr) spel p} judgen i Washington. Det blir ju inga
flera spel d{r tyv{rr, s} se till att se er om i v{rlden!

  Adressen till Judgen i Sydafrika (bara det!), {r:
       judge@shrike.und.ac.za
och spelet heter 1905 efter uppl|sningen av unionen mellan Norge
och Sverige. Du m}ste registrera om dig p} den h{r Judgen p}
samma s{tt som man registrerade sig p} den i Washington.


       Magnus
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: Dedication points
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 11:19:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.013425.27060@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
>Joel Furr (jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu) writes:
>
>> I notice that the game "newbie" on the EFF judge has the listing
>> "Dedication: -10" on the Access line.  What does _that_ mean?
>
>A player can only join a game if his dedication is greater than the minimum
>dedication requirement for the game. Dedication: -10 means that new players
>(who have dedication 0) can join, but that players who are consistently late
>(i.e. who have a high negative dedication) cannot.
>
>Of course, since the game has already started, this is all in the past
>tense, but anyway, that's the idea: to let players who have never played
>before join while still keeping out those who miss deadlines on a regular
>basis.

What are dedication points?  I saw them explained -nowhere- ... not in the
FAQ, not in the helpfile the adjudicator sends out, not in the EP house
rules, nowhere.  I assume they are a way of rewarding good players and
punishing late ones, but other than that, I know nothing.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: 24-Hour Warp
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:38:47 GMT

In <1992Dec29.163343.356@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:



>I am not about to try starting a new game at my level of inexperience but
>would certainly be more than willing to join a game with 24 or 36 hour
>deadlines and a _short_ grace period, no longer than 24 hours.  I would
>prefer to play standard or standard gunboat.  

Me too.

>Anyone else want to start a warp game?  

I'd gladly join. (Though, making it a gunboat game would have little
meaing since we would now know 2 of the players. And so would anyone else
reading this!)

>I understand that no new games can
>be started on the Washington judge, that there are many games on the
>Washington judge in need of players (but these are games with a week
>between turns, apparently), but don't know what the policy is on the EFF
>judge. 

As far as I know, anyone can make a game but there has to be a Master
running. This seems to be a small problem since people want to PLAY games
and not run them. I have being doing "list full" almost everyday checking
for new games but the only ones starting have no Masters and are destroyed
before they even get started.
I still support the idea of No Master = No game but wish that some Masters
would post addresses so players can ask them to Master their games. How
does that sound to everyone (especially would-be Masters)?

Alan Bick

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy,bit.listserv.dipl-l
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Re: New game Announcements?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:04:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.084656.11531@netcom.com> fred_s@netcom.com (Frederick Scott) writes:
>A good idea and a good implementation plan.  The command could be very
>simple; e.g, -
>SUBSCRIBE NEWGAMES [options]
>
>with options allowing you to specify some subset of games you're interested
>in, e.g. "allbut youngtown" or "gunboat".
>
>One additional suggestion - at the end of the mouth when your "subscription"
>expires, send a notification of that too, perhaps a day or two beforehand.

  Your "subscription" should also be cancelled by the software when you
join any game.

  It is a good idea. Let me know when you guys finish writing and testing it!
*grin*

-David
From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Looking for assistance..
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:53:24 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec28.233557.11787@netcom.com> starkey@netcom.com (Sean Starkey) writes:
>In article <92363.144619IO01255@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO01255@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>>I am a vetran player of diplomacy and a slew of other war-games.  I was
>>browseing through net-news and found that many of you were talking about
>>playing diplomacy ( I assume) over the computers, and I was curious if
>>someone could tell me how I could go about liking up to one of these
>>games, as well as any other over the computer wargames.
>>Thanks in advance..
>
>Please read the FAQ before posting to any newsgroup.
>
>
>	Sean Starkey			starkey@netcom.com
>Home:	444 Saratoga Ave.	Work:	Praxair, Inc.
>	Apt. 19K			2220 Martin Ave.
>	Santa Clara, CA 95050		Santa Clara, CA 95050
>	(408) 985-1454			(408) 727-3700
>

Sean,

Your advice is certainly correct, but assumes two things which may not be true:
(a) that the poster is familiar enough with usenet to know what the FAQ is
and where to find it, and (b) that the FAQ is readily accessible at the poster;s
home site. Not too long ago I was in the shoes of this poster: What's an FAQ?
Where do you get it?, etc. so I like it when "reead the FAQ" posts also tell
where to get it and so on.

No offense intended and hopefully noen taken,

Jeff
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: NMR vs. No NMR
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 00:32:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.214618.6798@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.211818.25428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>
>>Sure, I know that blowing the grace means someone else can come in and
>>take over.  Apparently that rarely happens.
>
>Actually, it commonly happens. At the moment, lots of US students are
>still on Xmas break, so it's just less likely. Allowing the game to go
>forward can dramatically change the result, and many players don't
>want a hard-fought game to be decided by a major player going CD.

Agreed, but in games where everyone's around -- I mean, there're games
right now waiting days and days for players whom we KNOW are around
because they've sent press and broadcasts in other games, even in the game
they've gone CD on.  The game "light" on the Washington judge was being
held up for want of a Russia player to come in and run ONE unit.  Perhaps
there could be a conditional NMR... where, in times of CD, the game would
proceed only if the CD player had three or fewer units remaining.
From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Can anybody point me to a FAQ?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:00:15 GMT

	Howdy folks!

	Ok, I've played the board game, but haven't got the faintest
little clue as to what all these "judges" and other neat things are.
So could somebody please point in the general direction of a FAQ if
such a critter exists?

	Please post, so that all you helpful people don't clutter up
my lil' ol' mailbox.

						-Cal
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Diplomacy: Russia player needed on 'wasp' on Washington judge
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 09:53:06 GMT

The game 'wasp' on the Washington judge, a standard game, needs a Russia
player to come in and remove three units during the Winter 1903 phase...
not the most enticing thing to have to do, but Russia is in CD, needs to
remove three of five units, and then go on... Russia's clearly not doing
too well as a result of losing three units (plus one which was destroyed
as a result of having nowhere to retreat in Fall 1903), but it'd help move
the game along and give you a warm feeling for helping the other six
people out.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy,bit.listserv.dipl-l
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Warp Games Forming on the EFF Judge (express)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 07:55:27 GMT

A 24-hour warp _gunboat_ game (gunboat=anonymous, you do not know who your
fellow players are) with only 24-hour grace periods is forming on the EFF
Judge (judge@morrolan.eff.org): 'express'!

Game 'express' is waiting for 3 more players to sign on.

The parameters for 'express' are as follows:
  Move    clock 1410 min 12.00 next  24.00 grace  24.00 delay 0.50 days SMTWTFS
  Retreat clock   -1 min  0.00 next  24.00 grace  24.00 delay 0.50 days SMTWTFS
  Adjust  clock   -1 min  0.00 next  24.00 grace  24.00 delay 0.50 days SMTWTFS
  Access:  Different-site, Level: Any, Moderated, Dedication: -10.
  Variant: Standard, Gunboat.
  Flags:   NoNMR, NoProxy.
  Press:   White, No Fake Broadcast.

This is effectively a standard Diplomacy game, except that all communication
must take place via press. Only white press is allowed, and there can be no
fake broadcasting; however, you may send press only to selected players (but
those players will know that they are the only ones receiving the message).
The only real difference between this and standard Diplomacy is that players
are anonymous until the game ends--and even beyond, if folks would prefer.

This game is about as fast as they get: 24-hour deadlines, 24-hour grace,
with weekend processing. I will make two exceptions to the deadlines: (1) If
a player is going on vacation and asks for an extension; (2) I will prevent
players from becoming abandoned on a weekend--once. (per player) Don't join
this game unless you can keep up the pace!

                                -- irilyth@FENRIS.CLAREMONT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy,bit.listserv.dipl-l,rec.games.pbm
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy: Russia player needed on 'wasp' on Washington judge
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:35:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.095306.2123@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>The game 'wasp' on the Washington judge, a standard game, needs a Russia
>player to come in and remove three units during the Winter 1903 phase...
>not the most enticing thing to have to do, but Russia is in CD, needs to
>remove three of five units, and then go on... Russia's clearly not doing
>too well as a result of losing three units (plus one which was destroyed
>as a result of having nowhere to retreat in Fall 1903), but it'd help move
>the game along and give you a warm feeling for helping the other six
>people out.

We also need a Russia on the EFF judge game "chocolat", which is a
Fleet_Rome variant, with Russia needing to issue movement orders for its
four units for fall 1901.

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: NMR vs. No NMR
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:46:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.211818.25428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>Sure, I know that blowing the grace means someone else can come in and
>take over.  Apparently that rarely happens.

Actually, it commonly happens. At the moment, lots of US students are
still on Xmas break, so it's just less likely. Allowing the game to go
forward can dramatically change the result, and many players don't
want a hard-fought game to be decided by a major player going CD.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy,bit.listserv.dipl-l
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Game 'tapir' on Washington Judge has two CD'd players: HELP!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 13:35:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.011907.17561@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>All the information for 'tapir' is below: we need an England and a Russia,
>both with 5 units, to issue their Spring 1903 movement orders.
>

We still need an England and a Russia.  Both are in good positions. 
Please come in to the game 'tapir' on the Washington judge and pick up for
England or Russia!
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: Dedication points
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:23:41 GMT

In article <vincent.578.725632876@cc.und.ac.za> vincent@cc.und.ac.za (Russell Vincent) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.111934.6972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>
>>What are dedication points?  I saw them explained -nowhere- ... not in the
>>FAQ, not in the helpfile the adjudicator sends out, not in the EP house
>>rules, nowhere.  I assume they are a way of rewarding good players and
>>punishing late ones, but other than that, I know nothing.
>
>Check out the file "deadlines". Use the command "get deadlines" to the judge 
>of your choice. Use the command "get flist" for a list of files available.
>
>Basically you are right. Here is a quick breakdown :
>
>  +3 = orders in on time
>  -1 = "deadline missed"
> -50 = becoming abandoned
>-100 = missing grace period and going CD
>
> -Russell

Aha.  Okay, snagged that file.  I thought I'd gotten all the files.  I
think I do now.

Is dedication used only on the adjudicators?  I'm still trying to grasp
how inter-related the adjudicators and email Diplomacy systems are.  I see
that adjudicator games are sent turn by turn to the editor of Electronic
Protocol and thence to the "Boardman Number Custodian" -- who, according
to the EP House Rules file, keeps track of all Diplomacy games being
played in the world!  (Yes, I know he doesn't keep track of the game that
seven people are playing in their basement in Poughkeepsie.)  I've never
seen an issue of EP since I started reading r.g.diplomacy and r.g.pbm, so
I don't really know what happens with all that information.  Does the BNC
track players and award "grandmaster" status or something to the very best?
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: starkey@netcom.com (Sean Starkey)
Subject: Judge newcomer game opening
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:52:53 GMT

The game "primus" on the EFF judge is open for Judge newcomers.  If you
would like to play in a judge game, and you never have before, this is
a perfect time to get your feet wet.

Note that I will not be stopping the game for Winter break.  If you will
be away from your computer in the next few weeks, DON'T signon for this
game.

Sean
From: gregt@carson.u.washington.edu (Greg Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Opening (G) in earwig on the Washington Judge
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:58:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


For those who feel sorry for Russia's opening position in Diplomacy, take
heart!  In game earwig on the Washington judge, Russia has 15 centers! 
(Mind you, the opening is for Germany, which has only 2 units and control
of one center).

If you've become tired of all those winning positions, join us!  Who
knows, you might even stage a comeback worthy of the Diplomacy Hall of
Fame!



Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: 48-Hour Warp
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:40:23 GMT

Rick Desper (desper@math.rutgers.edu) writes:

> Your words do not fall upon deaf ears!

In fact, they fall upon at least two sets of sharp ears. (grin) I've created
'compress' on the EFF Judge, a 48-hour gunboat/white press/with partial game
for non-slugs. The gunboat/white press/with partial combo is essentially the
same as standard Diplomacy, but anonymous: it eliminates the effects of
reputation (for better or for worse), while forcing you to use the Judge to
communicate, of course.

The game is open to players of all levels, though it does have a minimum
dedication requirement of -10 to keep the slugs away.

I'll think about starting an even faster game, with 24-hour, 7-day-a-week
processing, if anyone expresses interest (via e-mail, please). This might be
a little too manic, but hey, some people will try anything...
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Advanced game forming on EFF Judge
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:50:37 GMT

I've created game 'impress' on the EFF Judge, a 72-hour gunboat/white press/
with partial game for advanced players only. The gunboat/white press/with
partial combo is essentially the same as standard Diplomacy, but anonymous:
it eliminates the effects of reputation (for better or for worse), while
forcing you to use the Judge to communicate, of course.

This game is restricted to players who have registered themselves with the
Judge as Advanced; if you are a novice, do not sign up for this game. By
"advanced" here I refer to Diplomacy experience, not necessarily to Judge
experience.

If you consider yourself an advanced player, but are not registered as such,
you can re-register by re-sending your registration form to the Judge;
contact me via e-mail if you need help with this.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Dip. Cons. in the Pacific Northwest?
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:56:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec30.045641.5710
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Does anyone know of any Diplomacy Conventions that are held in the Pacific
North West?  I know of some on the East Coast, but I do not fancy flying to
a convention. :)

-Gary

-- 
"The question is not, can animals reason? Nor, can they talk?  But, can
they suffer?"    -Jeremy Bentham, philosopher, 1748-1832.

                   Gary Arkoff --   arkoff@lclark.edu
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