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From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Rights vs Mercy (Was: My dismay (Chris Patten))
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:53:18 GMT

In article <6130233@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>>soc.culture.hongkong / cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) / 11:28 pm  Dec 11, 1992 /
>
>>1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
>>   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
>>   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
>>   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
>>   home to him, a Japanese ...

>I don't know how he has such idea. As early as 19th century, there was at least
>one Chinese homed there. Of course, most people living there are British.
>The reason is quite simple as well. The number of house (site) are limited.
>You have to buy from a current owner. If the owner prefers to sell to another
>British. Well, how can you do?

Could it be the Chinese homed there before the British rule (and therefore
the grandfather law apply)?  The question, however, is there any Chinese
living in the peak these days?  (probably not many, if any).

By the way, it is against the law to discriminate on the base of race/sex/color
in real estate transaction in USA.  I don't know if HK has such a law. Anyhow,
even if such law exist, it is usually very difficult to prove that discrimination
exist.  As you say, the owner could simply list his house by words of mouth 
among the British friends.

The fact remained though, the height of your residence in the Peak is a
symbol of your status and power, and seems to be (almost) exclusively 
occupied by the British.

I should also mentioned that the house sold by the TaiPan of HKSB was
the highest in the peak.

>And a friend told me, the peak is too wet to live.

Indeed.  It is kind of like Sunset District of San Francisco where you really
can use a dehydrator.

-cw-
From: Raju.Daryanani@p309.f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Question about Walled City, Kowloon
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:23:22 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Dec 09 16:06>, Wayne Citrin of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 WC> From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
 WC> Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

 WC> The Insight Guide, on the other hand, 
 WC> emphatically says that visitors should stay away, and that 
 WC> if one enters, that there is a good chance that one one will 
 WC> never leave.

You better belive it.  If you do go in there now you really might never come
out again, since it's in the process of being demolished.

Raju 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Re: Bye BYe BYE bYe bYE byE ByE bye !!!
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:58:08 GMT

mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN) writes:

>Dear Netters,
>
>	I am leaving, I would miss you so much !!!  Here is the list of 
>
[DEL]

Michael, all the best and good luck !

Daniel (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: fkai@icaen.uiowa.edu (Fan Kai)
Subject: test
Originator: fkai@l_cae10
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


Kevin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: h8915726@hkuxb.hku.hk (Medusa)
Subject: Re: e-mail at HKU
Reply-To: h8915726@hkuxa.hku.hk
Organization: University of Hong Kong
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:58:31 GMT

keith@socs.uts.edu.au (Keith Chan) writes:
: <LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
: 
: >Hi, I have a friend who is studying medicine at HKU. Does anyone know whether
: >he could have access to internet? I heard that CU had recently granted e-mail
: >access to all students. So both CU and UST students have access to e-mail.
: >What about HKU? If HKU has already done the same, is there a postmaster address
: >or mail server address that I could find out my friend's account?
: 
: I know that HKU is connected to BITNET, but they seems don't allow 
: undergrad to send int'l email. But I don't know whether this
: policy have changed, 'coz I've left HKU for 2 years.
: 

	Yes and No. Unix account are open to apply, not automatically	
	granted. As to the original poster, his Medicine friend is
	UN-likely to have one (account), and UN-likely to play Un*x...
	I guess (mostly probabe for med. student...).

	Our VAX is connected to BITNET but can send Int'l e-mail just
	as Unix now.


: 
: --cmchan
: keith@socs.uts.edu.au 

--
Medusa
University of Hong Kong
H8915726@hkuxa.hku.hk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William W. Lo)
Subject: Re: Warning to CCP Running Dogs
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:30:55 GMT

In article <3484@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>Though I don't like CCP, I still give a lot of credits to Mr. Deng
				        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	
	I'd say I agree here but *only* in the context that he 
is the one who proclaimed major economic reforms soon after the
death of Mao Ze-dong. These reforms, *similar to those proposed 
by Gorbachev* in the former Soviet Union, have in fact resulted 
in very rapid growth in industrial output - quite outstanding and
astounding! And now China is definitely economically open - look
at the fact that China has been experimenting for quite sometime
with formal capital market and it now has even its stock market! 
Definitely not a bad thing.

	Unforturnately, he's also got a rather nasty disposition
so to speak(anyway I don't know anything about politics), and I 
definitely do not find it appetizing... 

>Surely you wrote this out of great emotions. Why don't you hope 
>for smooth transition to Democracy when its economy reaches 
>certain mark ? Anything short of smooth transition would
>surely bring about massive losses of lives, & HK people
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>will not be spared either.

	Hmm, so why those?

---Just my 2 cents worth,
	Bill 
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From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: CS bookstore list in HK
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:21:49 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Perhaps people going back to HK during X'mas will find it useful.
Here is an updated bookstore list in HK. Thanks to Patrick Chung 
in CUHK for making the telephone numbers complete.

[John, can you put it in FAQ? Thanks.]

Merry X'mas and happy term break,
leo.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

*   Hon Wing Book Co., Ltd.
    63A, Tung Choi Street, Kowloon
    391-0585

    World Book Co., Ltd.
    Argyle Street (Near Sincere), Mongkok
    394-1025

    USTHK University Bookstore
    Level 123, Entrance Piazza, Hong Kong University of Science & Tech.
    358-6400

    HKU Swindon Book Co., Ltd.
    University of Hong Kong
    546-8412

    CUHK Swindon Book Co., Ltd.
    Fulton Building, Chinese University of Hong Kong
    603-6760

*!  Swindon Book Co., Ltd.
    13-15 Locke Road, Tsimsatsui, Kowloon
    366-8001

*!  Caves Books Co,. Ltd.
    4B Ferry Street, G/F., Yaumati, Kowloon
    780-0987, 771-2298
    Shop M124, Jackson Rd,. MTR Central Station, HK
    524-8857

*$  Academic & Professional (A&P) Book Center
    1H Cheung Ming Building, 80-86 Argyle Street, Mongkok
    398-2191

*$  Man Yuen Books Co., Ltd.
    Parkers Street, Jordon, Kowloon
    730-0594

    (*) means rich in CS books.
    (!) means rather expensive.
    ($) means cheap.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William W. Lo)
Subject: Words of wisdom for the day 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:33:57 GMT

	Hey everyone!!! It's Uncle Freddy Time!!! 

	And William's right here turning it out:

	The {answering machine} series continues:

	"Hi! You have reached the Strategic Air Command
Nuclear Missile Facility. Unforturnately, we're unable to
come to the phone right now. At the tone, please leave your
name, number, and target, or *list of targets*, and we'll
launch as soon as we can! And, c'mon, baby, have a really 
nice day!!! <Beep!>"

---Cheers,
	Bill (temporarily alive) 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eng10413@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHOW PUI SHAN)
Subject: testing
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:35:32 GMT


This is just a test.  Please ignore.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:16177 soc.culture.china:32464 soc.culture.taiwan:16090
From: Raju.Daryanani@p309.f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: The best HongKong can get from the current debate
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:23:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Dec 09 18:51>, Alvin W. Law of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 AWL> From: alaw@ap1seq.us.oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
 AWL> Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California.

 AWL> I wonder how much money the big business leaders lost in the 
 AWL> current mess in the stock market.  It seems like the most 
 AWL> vocal oppositions of Patten's proposal are the ones who have 
 AWL> big investments in China.

The Laisee column at the back of the Business Post recently contained some
remarks made by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom), a local investment analyst.  He said
the main reason the brokers were criticising Patten was that they can't make
money in a falling market.  Hong Kong is one of the few places where you aren't
allowed to short sell stock, i.e., sell stock you don't have.  Faber said
Patten should have started his democracy proposal speech by legalising short
selling.  This would have made him the darling of the local investment
community because they would have been able to make money whichever direction the
market went, and in fact the greater the volatility of the market the greater
their profits would be. :-)

Raju 
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From: rthomas@usc.edu (Reem Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Shopping in HK
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:06:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu





I would really appreciate if someone could send me some info about
shopping areas in HK i.e electronics etc.

I'am sure this is the right newsgroup to post this article

Thanks
Reem
From: Dean.Lee@f1.n651.z6.fidonet.org (Dean Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Hello
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:51:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Nov 30 14:28>, Roland of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 R> Hi, could post some news from Shanghai, such like how is the 
 R> weather in Shanghai right now? How is the new subway? And the 
 R> manpu bridge?
Hi, Nice to meet u, Roland. Sorry for later reply. As a Shanghainese, I
think u miss Shanghai. In these days, Shanghai changes very quickly. A lot of
buildings and Sino-foreign joint ventures are setting up in Pudong (a developing
area in Eastern Shanghai). Now the Nanpu bridge has already been used for
one year. And the 2nd bridge - Yangpu bridge over Huangpu river is setting up.
When finishing, it will be the greatest bridge in the kind of these bridges
in the world. The part (Xujiahui<->Jinjiang Park) of the new subway will be
run in 1993. If the whole subway line begins to work, it will change the
transport in Shanghai. In these days, the communications is too bad,  a lot of
jams!! 
Huang Ju is still the Mayor. A few days ago, he visited UK and HK. As a
mayor, I don't think his work is good. I like Zhu Rongji (formal Shanghai Mayor)
very much. Somebody said Mr Huang will leave his position, maybe he will be
the Mayor of Nanjin city.
I am living in Jinshanwei, Jinshan (the suburb of Shanghai, near Shanghai
Petrochemicals Complex). If u have a chance, maybe we can meet in Shanghai.
Today is vey clear in Shanghai.The temperature is 10 C in the day, and 1 C
at night.
Finally, Welcome to Shanghai!!

Dean Lee
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From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: smoking
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:11:50 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <BzD2ID.8yB@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca>, lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.175338.45664@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>That doesn't make sense to me anyway .  First , if we, smokers, smoke in front
>> of non-smokers in smoking area, they deserve to die from lung cancer because
>> they don't go away from where smoking is allowed.
> 
> I cannot see why anyone 'deserve to die' from your personal habbit.  There are
> too many places where it is not clear smoking is allowed or not, and there are
> too many places with poor ventilation (such as in a plane).  Yes, you may legally
> smoke in these places, but people may get illness because of your insensible act.
So, you mean they can die from breathing a little amount of smoke?  Give me a
break.  If it is not clear, tell them to make it clear.  Ask them.  You got a 
mouth and you speak, don't you?

> 
> -- 
> ______________________________________ 
> | email : lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca | "Theoretically speaking, it's
> | Louis Lin, Computer Graphics Lab,  |  too practical, and practically
> | University of Waterloo, Canada.    |  speaking, it's too theoretical."
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From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Warning to CCP Running Dogs
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:19:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>In <75583@apple.apple.COM> lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai) writes:

>>This is an important point, these jerks are running dog for ccp, not
>>for China. We fall into their trick if we let them claim they are
>>looking after the interest of China. They are not. They are just looking
>>after the interest of the ccp mafia master. That is why I change this
>>subject to ccp running dog.

>Agree entirely.  What I find interesting is how history is

Anthony, this article doesn't quite sound like from you. I
read many articles of yours before you are dragged into this
'flame war', and I have the opinion that you are a more
sensible person.
For one thing the words 'running dogs' even myself (suppose
to be 'antique ' in thinking) would not use.

>repeating itself.  In the dying days of the Ching dynasty I am
>sure they were sending agents around the world to attempt to kill

Cool it Anthony, I don't think you quite got the History right.
Dr. Sun didn't succeed in his 'revolution' was because he was
'PLAYED OUT' by the western nations - primarily USA & British
. In facts the western nations at that time weren't interested
whether China would be a democratic country or communist country
or whatever. They only wanted to see a WEAK & DIVIDED China !
Please don't get carry away, please don't let prejudices
obscure your thinking.

>people like Dr Sun.  So now in the dying days of the CCP, she is
>sending her "running dogs" to do her dirty work. 

Though I don't like CCP, I still give a lot of credits to Mr. Deng
Xiaping. Who else can manage a country like China in its present
state ? I would like China return to some form of controlled
democracy when its economy is better & the literacy rate is higher.
Otherwise the poor & the illiterate would be totally exploited !

>I just want to warn these running dogs about what is going to
>happen to them when the CCP collapses.  In East Germany, many
>people were found to have worked for the secret police there.  I
>strongly advised these CCP "running dogs" to have their records
>destoryed before the end comes.  The new democratically elected
>government might treat you leniently but not the Chinese people.

Surely you wrote this out of great emotions. Why don't you hope 
for smooth transition to Democracy when its economy reaches 
certain mark ? Anything short of smooth transition would
surely bring about massive losses of lives, & HK people
will not be spared either.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:16133 soc.culture.china:32405
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:46:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <1992Dec10.150401.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>In article <5cdc3b9a.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>, chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
>>                                                              To believe
>> British government (or Patten for that matter) is really interested in
>> bringing democracy to HK and cares about HK people is no different than a wet
>> dream to a teenage boy.  

>> I'll believe the British government's sincere interest for democracy when the
>> monarchic system is replaced and the Queen and her family start paying taxes
>> like everybody else does.

>I feel a little bit upset that in your rational sentences using the word
>teenage boy to indicate HKer.

You seem to misunderstand my posting.  I did not imply HKers are teenage boy
but rather pointing out BG and Chris Patten are **not** sincerely interested
helping HK to achieve democracy.  To believe so is no different than a
teenage boy having a wet dream.  There is no doubt HK people need democracy
now, they and all Chinese need it fifty years ago.  However, why all the
suddent BG starts caring about HKers and trying to bring democracy to HK just
before they are going to leave?  I just can't stand the typical British
hypocracy -- trying to rip-off and destroy its colony before leaving in the
name of democracy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.025204.17338@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> iu051@cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:
    >cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
    >
    >>Between the British and the PRC, many people in HK feel they are 
    >>being asked to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea.
    >>They don't have faith in the British and they don't trust the
    >>British.  They always complain that the British is interested
    >>only in skimming the money from HK, and of course, there are
    >>a lot of inequalities between the British ahd the local Chinese.
    >>However, people do have personal liberty and other freedom, and 
    >>the justice system is working reasonably well.
    
    >I don't agree with you.  British and other foreigners have a lot of 
    >priviledges.  In addition, some wealthy guys enjoy the same priviledges too.
    >However, if you talk about liberty and freedom, you should consider the real
    >liberty and freedom.  NO ONE can enjoy the real freedom if he/she is living
    >under the colony of a foreign country.
    
    >K.F. Iu

OK, how about if I said 'more personal liberty and other freedom' than the
people in China :)

Talk about the priviledge of the British, I read this from the autobiography
of the chairman of YaoHan group (Bak Bak Poon or Eight Hundred Friend).  His
book mostly talked about his vision of the 21st Centuary and he wanted to
build YanHan as an international group with a stronghold in the booming China
market.  So he move his headquarter to HK in ~1990.  The move was greeted 
with lot of enthusiam from both the British, the local Chinese and the mainland
Chinese.  He related a couple of stories (my paraphrase):

1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
   home to him, a Japanese ...

2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..

-cw-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cltong@iastate.edu (Ultra Man)
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:47:38 GMT

In <3468@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:

>A true arrogant Hongkies attitude here ! As i expected , it does
>take long for you to show your true colour ! Typical of
>a person suffering from inferior complex under the colonial rule
>who try to boost his ego, his image ! What a degrading behaviour !!

>If I have the least arrogant attitude of yours, I would
>have said that before you were born I had known all that
>you claim to know now !

Dear Mr whatever,
	If any one of your gang still wanna post news without being reputed
so hard that you guys can only post pointless articles like:
    OH HOW STUPID ARE YOU HONGKERS !! or
    YOU, ANYONE NOT SUPPORTING OUR GREAT UNCLES IN PEKING ARE ALL RUNNING
           DOGS FOR CAT.... whatever.
Please give us some 'real' examples without baking like a hopeless doggie.
And please Do Not keep saying we are very inferior 'cos we have different
idealogies. 
  
As a matter of fact I feel very very SORRY about you.  'cos under the education
of your great country, you guys, all of you, don't know right or wrong, don't
know how to be objectiv.  And if any of you have planned to go back to your
PCR a leader or a scientist that would be a true disaster.  

Now, I understand why did my relatives escape from China a couple of decades
ago.

BTW be nice doggies.  I will send uncle Li a pack of dog chow so that he
can feed you.  I think if you are full, you guys won't bake so hard.
and keep licking, you have been doing a very good job.

Just for the sake of you guys.

Chin
From: wilson@gumby.Altos.COM (wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: driver's license to drive in HK
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: wilson@altos.COM (Wilson Chong)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Altos Computer Systems, San Jose, CA

You can bring your HK passport, ID card, money, time, and US license to apply
for one. The fee is HK$2** for 1 year or HK$7** for 3 years. By the way, this   
info. is based upon what I got when I applied for one last year. Also, you need
to show them you have US driver license at least 3 years long.  -- Wilson.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jeffzhao@sound.demon.co.uk (Jeff Zhao Jeffreys)