HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:21:51 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <BtMxBn.2An@csc.liv.ac.uk> sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
writes:

>>Don't they teach business writing and Latin in the schools no more?
>>
>Business writing, no; Latin, yes. Well, actually, mine was the last year
>for whom latin was compulsory up to 'O' Level.
>
>>				Kay

I wanted to take Latin 'O' level, but my school was so hell bent on teaching
the average pupil that they had a policy of not letting anyone take more
than 9 'O' levels in one go. I could easily have managed a couple more.
The teacher who knew Latin was willing to run a class just for me, which
would have been an excellent way to learn I think.

Owen (who can't make up his mind whether to learn Welsh, Scots Ghaelic or
Latin if he ever gets around to learning another language)
From: zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:21:51 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

In article <ZEN.92Sep1114133@death.corp.sun.com>, zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
|> 
|> In article <17v3e3INNflg@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
|> > Finally got to meet Mike Lloyd...
You lucky swine...

|>   I prefer to think that muffy and I collect nice people, but I guess
|> it's a two (or three or four or...) way street.  *grin*  Yeah, mike's a
|> prince of a guy.  Maybe a queen of a guy?  Anyway, he takes a nice
|> photo.  Muffy and him look *really* good together.
So rub it in, why don't you?  Mike and Muffy were gonna help me convince
my straight friend that I was really bi by means of a snog-in.  Of course,
a slight matter of several thousand miles is rather preventing this... :-(

Ho hum.  Give Mike a *hug* from me next time you see him (please).

Colin
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: objectification (developed from hot Bi Studs/Babes)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 13:23:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Why do Gay men need proof of your bisexuality, Clive? Easy, they are still
stuck in an either/or (XOR) mindset just like straights. You can pick only
one sexuality just like they have done. If you pick more than one, you're
over you're quota. And, since there is only so much sexuality to go around...
:)

Something I've noticed is that sex with women and sex with men are different
"tasting" (That's not what I mean, get that grin off your face.) I mean that
the orgasms are different, have a different, for want of a better word, 
"flavor". Some people like one flavor, some like another. But for some reason
I still don't get, the 2 sides feel that there is only one Right Flavor.
So for those who profess to have broken free of this XOR mindset, we must
be confusing to those who are still in it.

As to some of your other questions, (why are lesbians easier to talk to, ect.)
I haven't a clue. I'm not a shrink. I have noticed this also. I could quip
that women are naturally more sensitive, but that would sound like men bashing
and I won't do that.

It sounds like everyone is getting bummed out and irritable lately. Maybe its
just the weather or the fact that school is starting back up. I'm not expectin
everyone to be happy and silly all the time, but I am getting kind of 
concerned about the number of down people here lately. And I wanna help.

Ben Gibson


<HUGS to the lot of you>
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: OUT!
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:34:01 GMT

fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion) writes:

>wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow) writes:

Hugs and welcome to both of you.

Hi Bill nice to E-see you.

Iseult.
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Date: 28 Aug 1992 18:33:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug28.130701.1@cua.edu> 75furlong@cua.edu writes:
->My sister got a very straightforward (excuse the pun) shirt for her friend
->Susan. It said, in big block letters:
->
->I LIKE GIRLS
->
->There were I LIKE BOYS shirts, too. Perhaps a person could get both, one 
->printed on either side of the shirt....

Yup ... 

I'd love to wear that shirt ...

And have everybody in Berkeley jump down my throat for calling 18+people
boys/girls ...

I love PC :(


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: PlayGirl
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:12:31 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

In article <18076@acorn.co.uk>, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.110612.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>
> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> >In article <18018@acorn.co.uk>, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
> >> Incidentally, while I was paying for my lunch I noticed a bearded bloke pick
> >> up a copy of The Sun, PlayGirl and a Slimming Magazine. Made me just a wee
> >> bit curious :-).
> >
> >	Stop being curious and go get your own, Owen.
> 
> Actually I was curious about the bloke, not what's in PlayGirl.
> 

Stop being curious and go get your own, Owen

(or, so why not chat the guy up??)
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:50:10 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug24.005330.17913@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>>[Ellen writes]
>>>Then there's always:
>>>The 'someone-please-remind-me-of-what-country-I'm-in-so-I-know-what-to-
>>>call-that-item-across-the-room-without-folks-laughing-at-me' syndrome.

What we really need is some serious funding for visits back and forth across
the pond so we become fluent in each others' languages. 

> Yup. We spend a lot of talk time defining stuff, still. & I'll probably never
> understand the U.S. school system, or the political hierarchies, but I've
> already had people on MUCKs not believe I'm not an American because I catch
> phrases like "Y'all" & use them.

Ditto. It's become habitual now to slip into USA terminology and spelling
when I write for North American readers (pace Canadians), but anyone brought
up on British English will likely still use BE constructions as the giveaway.
One reader has already mailed me with a reprimand for saying "high school" :-)
I get the same reaction when I speak German, 'cos I lived there and picked up
the accent and the slang as well as the knowledge of the way of life, so
people tend to assume I'm German. <*sigh*> I just need to spend more time in
the USA.

[ObPolNote: *not* just "US", "USA"...get ready for the USE over here :-)]

> [comment about dreaming of long green vegetables given innocuous phrasing]

Nothing is innocuous when Tanaqui gets hold of it---I don't know anyone who
can cram more cynical indecency into one sentence...

> We've got Pop Tarts now. The Co-Op seems to sell them in the breakfast cereal
> section, since they're made by Kellogg's. Why couldn't we have Baby Ruth bars
> instead? 

Yuck. Brendan's Heather introduced me to Pop Tarts (uncooked at 11am). Well,
*she* likes them...and now they're in my local convenience store under
"Foreign Foods" teehee :-)

The only *serious* problem in shopping for eats in the USA is the dearth of
edible chocolate. Nestle's is sorta OK, Cadbury's can be found (but tastes
nothing like ours), Hershey's is probably the worst I have ever tasted (the
old Kisses trick is *much* better done with Leonidas Cherry Liqueurs) and
Ghirardelli's is superb but not sold everywhere. Plenty of specialist choc
shops, but aarrgghh the prices! Fortunately last trip I was off chocs and
sweets (candies) to keep the weight down (altho breakfasting/lunching/dining
with assorted net.friends, net.lovers and net.acquaintances does *nothing*
for the waistline, and sex *does* give you such an *appetite* :-)

Anyway, I *like* the differences in naming, it makes life interesting. Like
the old one about Durex (a brand of condom here, a brand of adhesive tape in
Australia), and the use of "gone off" (="gone stale/rancid" here, "cum" in
Canada [and maybe USA too?], it caused smirks when applied to the butter
one breakfasttime).

///Peter
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:37:21 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Aug25.105845.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:

Matt! you're back! <hug> <smooch> <nibble> <nibble> <lick> <hug> <smooch>
Good to see you again...

>	Well, we're glad you made it to our happy little home!
>	Come on in to the net.room...here, sit down on Peg's couch
>(she won't mind).  Whoa! <Yells into the air> Whose nonstick can of
>Pam is this?  I though were were trying butter flavor Crisco this
>week!  Oh well, Steven, you're sitting down now.  Let's read on...

Crisco? somebody mention Crisco?  Ah.  I see.  Well, all Steven has to do
is wait till I reappear on Furry, and he can try all he likes :)

><Heads peek up from different activities.  People start crowding
>closer to Matt>

<grin>

Just wait till I've got you harnessed to my Iris, denims razored away
from your legs, body coated with sweat and beer... Oh? not *that* sort
of dungeon?  Aww...

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:28:25 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.232506.3526@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>
>>I think this would be interesting... sort of a personal version of a FAQ 
>>list, for those of us who already have sufficently public personas to
>>share with the net.  Ftp and gopher are both possible media.

>probably wouldn't be a good thing.  Being able to find out a bit more
>about `regulars' might (a) reduce the barrier of "in-jokes" and (b) provide
>(as someone (Kay? Fenthe?) noted) a sort-of electronic "Bisexual Lives",
>which again is going to help.

My view about in-jokes is that the in-ness makes them funny; let everyone
in on the in-jokes and they stop being in and thus stop being funny. 
Beware anyone who intends to make their biogs available this way!  (I
didn't say I was volunteering ..)

But on the second score, yes sounds like a good idea.

>ftp would be easier and less embarrasing than actual having to *ask*
>for biogs, but warring against that is the caution that I know *I*
>wouldn't like to have that kind of stuff about me publically available
>without me having any sort of control as to who can access it....

Very good point.  Personally I'm not even happy about gifs of myself
being publicly available.

Personally I'm not one of those who's ever felt the need to introduce
myself to the net; I just turned up and posted.  How impolite, eh! 
>{8-)

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gov't harrassment (was Re: Quayles meet Usenet)
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:44:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep3.193025.6666@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
+
+Ellen Clary writes:
+> Yes but branches of the Canadian Gov't (as opposed to the media)
+> do some harrassment (not sure about the fear-mongering.)
+> 
+> There was a Canadian queer publication (whose name escapes me - 
+> anybody remember?) that had to shut down around 1987.  They
+> were citing gov't harrassment and threat of prosecution as
+> the reasons.
+
+I believe the RCMP had their fingers into something like that a few
+years back.  Recently, that information came to light and the RCMP
+had their hands slapped. :)

Fingers into it? Next you'll be telling me 'Mounted' means something
completely different.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where did all my "friends" go?
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:21:50 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <17976@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:

>Well here I sit, still at work, at 10 PM on a Friday evening.

I found out today that at about 10PM on Friday my "friends" were leaving the
cinema haing just sceen Alien 3. I didn't know it was on, but it is a film
I've been wanting to see and several of them knew this. So why the hell
didn't they invite me? If any of that group are reading this (fat chance),
just go to hell. And I hope you ate to much popcorn and got indigestion.

Owen.

PS. Hands up all those who fancy Ripley? (Me me me!!) She's one hell
of a woman. I quite like Vasquez too, but she's not in the same league
as Ripley.
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: == No Subject ==
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk


jet@ki.com (Jeanette Bradley) wrote...
>He looked a little uncomfortable and shuffled his feet
>and said "Oh, are you, er,... *into* *that* ?"

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>he said "Bisexual, huh? want to come by my tent later?"
>(all this without looking at my face, and then a little
>giggle at the end, as if to imply that he's just joking,
>so I shouldn't be offended.

I see a lot of this "giggling to defuse the situation" stuff in all sorts
of situations: "Backs against the walls fellas - present company excepted" 
was one such thing I heard, also "you big girls blouse" to whit I would 
flash a *nasty* look... this kind of socialised homo/biphobia is gonna be 
harder to tackle than out and out rampant homo-bigotry as it has become 
an accepted "norm" in some social ideoms.

[ellen writes]
>Attitude helps.
>Never forget that {bi|homo}phobia is their problem, not yours.

I also think that looks and body posture can help here - even if the person th-
at said that is a complete brainless dork (and let's face it, he sounds like o-
ne), body posture sends a lot of signals to the 'phobe that their subconcius j-
ust cannot ignore, crossed arms, firmly placed feet - lots of stern eye-to-eye-
 contact...

A good withering look, (of the sort a certain Welsh soc.bi participant
is all to good at firing when I behave like a dork) also works wonders...

+----------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
| The more straight people I meet, the more I  |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| love horses....                              |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:41:48 GMT

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>>*blush* I've eaten it all...

>Greedy guts.  

>>Anyway, I'll be on the registration desk at UEA at then, so I'll have
>>to wait until you arrive.

>Oooh goody, you can register me any time, dear.  Just leave some of
>those nice yummy hot bi babes and studs for me, you hear?

And Kay, don't forget to put pepper, mustard, ketchup and sugar
on those hot young things.   Because thats the way, the way she
likes it.

Iseult.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Plural porridge? (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:11:08 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <BtFKIw.72M@blkhole.resun.com> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk writes:

>>Who?  Do please introduce us; unless this is the very same Man who
>>dilates my own commissures (when he's available >{8-(), in which case

>Justin, of course: I thought you'd already met him.  If not, I certainly
>shall; though I doubt you'd get any dilation from him, him being mono and
>all that... BTW: who's your dilator? another ginger pusscat - my
goodness!

Do beg your pardon, I thought you were talking about Something
Completely Different; certainly I don't have a ginger pusscat to dilate
my commisseurs, I have to rely on other, er, dilatants.

Certainly I've met Justin, tho I don't believe you introduced us; after
all, you didn't recognise me ... >{8-(

>>Crossposting removed in this followup, for obvious reasons.

>Hah! you getting prudish, Sara? :)

Getting?  Kay, I've *always* been prudish.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 00:53:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <64934@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug30.184314.25188@midway.uchicago.edu>

In a previous article Heather Blair(h431@midway.uchicago.edu) writes:

>I'd call that "libertarianism" rather than "conservatism" (although
>libertarians think of themselves as a branch of conservatism.
>If I could design a utopia, there'd be two political parties, the
>libertarians and the socialists.  They'd agree on human rights issues
>and duke it out over economic ones.  

I stand corrected. I don't know too much about the Libertarians except
I have heard that they want to repeal income tax, and are for private
ownership of roads. Also they don't seem to have much chance of getting
into the White House or Congress. (Are there any in Congress?). It seems
a little too right for my taste, although I won't rule them out before hearing
more about them.

Ben Gibson
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:07:19 GMT

woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>>>asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu
>>"Ciaran's in the middle! Ciaran's in the middle!"
>   Ah ha! But now I'm in the middle too! Heh heh heh...

It feels *selfish* of me to say this, but
"IIIIIII'm in the middle now!" (And I wish I went and saw Edward II)

... hang on. I'm in the middle, and *you're* on either side of me? Freaky! :)

It's all done with mirrors, I tell you! :)

>   Cog Sci! I've basically done a Cog Sci degree, but with Pure Maths
>instead of Psych. Heaps of linguistics...

Joe, I suddenly feel strangely attracted to you. *snicker* :)

Cogsci next year for me, me fears. Till then, I sleep through those Elec
Eng lectures I actually show up to, and overdose on Canterbury Tales. *And*
organise IRC GLB gettogethers --- oh, and if you can't make it to the
Clyde by 1:00pm today... tuff :)

Not that Melbourne is an Edinburgh or a Norwich or even a Chicago...

(yet %^)

*Gee, he metatextually notes, it's so... NICE when I post like an airhead
instead of someone in sexophobic pain...*

>>Considering there is more than one bisexual even in this fair institution... 
>   Quite a few it seems. (Hi Tim! 8->).

Quite a few = two? (Well, three, but the third isn't public about it) (OK,
four, but I haven't met her yet)

Now that I think about it, I'd prefer you have the pamphlet author voice be
bi --- to show that "we're here, we're bi, and if you don't like it, get
the fuck off our planet" (to paraphrase the not especially bi-friendly
coming-out pamphlet of the local GL uni group). We are not those 'others',
to be sympathetically dissected for the outsiders; we are everywhere. We
are, for example, in Right Said Fred. Ah, what a bi role model *he* is :)

Um... sorry, I'm being a bit bi-supremacist today. And I don't like it.
In fact, I have a lot of contempt for bi-supremacists, but that's another
tale...

---				
Nick Nicholas: [s]h[r]ug-osexual.  Greek, short, greasy, romantic, and as
B1 f+ t- w s-? e- r-- dr+(+)	   bi as he wants to be. [ObMauveHeptagon]
nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au (IRC: nicxjo).  Likes Cavafy, Mahler, and cashews.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Veggies! (was Re: bi surfers)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 00:32:56 GMT

(Sara Hopkins (Swamp Thing)) writes:

[I take up the Isis priestesses with pebbles side of the contraception debate,
 while nigel@isgtec.com talks about camels; I argue for contraception, he
 argues contraimplantation]

Chris Von Hendy then says:

>>>Um, how would you get the stone back out if you later wanted pregnancy?
>>>Not to mention how you get it in, in the first place?

To which I reply with a list of insertable & removable objects |-)
ending with this..
>>rubber foot of Iseult's
>>crutch |-)

>Scuse me, Tanaqui, but as someone *almost* entirely innocent of such
>pursuits, could you perchance tell me exactly *how* one would get said
>stones in and out of a camel's uterus, its *uterus* mark you, not
>merely its vaginal passage, and furthermore perhaps you would care to
>tell me exactly how the ancient Egyptians stumbled across the idea
>that preventing the implantation of a fertilised ovum prevented its
>maturation?  Seems to me that this is a whole lot less obvious than
>the diapragm concept.

I know nothing at all about camels.* I never suggested putting stones in
The uteruses of such, nor how to get them out of such areas. And the
ancient Egyptians, I argued, did not try to stop the implantation of a
fertilised ovum - in fact, I argued that they seem to have used them like
the modern diaphragm to block semen. I believe Nigel suggested that the
stones acted more like IUDs. Perhaps they were a path for contraimplantation
disease, but I prefer the contraceptive theory. I claim no expertise, though!

* Except, perhaps, that Donna Barr draws them in a lovely style.

>Having said which, I think that if Iseult really had a mind to deal
>any of us the rubber foot of her crutch we probably wouldn't have a
>great deal of say in the matter ...

I'll shut up now, then...

Tanaqui