HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: carbo/Protein requirement
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:46:42 GMT

dawb@cam-orl.co.uk (Dave Brooke) writes:

>	Does anyone belive in upping the Protein concentration in a diet for athletes?

Excuse me, the strength of this reply is not aimed at you, but at me...!

Not no but hell no!!

Whew! Glad _that's_ over!

I *used* to believe in that stuff. I used to do a lot of weightlifting when
I was a kid. I was benching well over 300, but couldn't get rid of the fat
under my sking. gave it up, got fat and old and lazy.

I started running (really) this last January.Then I read Haas' book, and said, 'what the heck, I'll try the carbo's thing.' My times all immediately dropped.
I was also doing a little lifting. 

That was a few months ago. Right around the same time, I got rid of red meat
too. Now my bench press keeps improving, but my body fat is _low_ and my
running is getting faster.

I reckon we get enough protein just walkin' around - if we steer clear of
the junk food and eat real, Honest-to-God food high in complex carbos, we
do better.

I just thought I'd share that with you...8-)
jim p.

-- 
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Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
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would have been given instructions....
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From: duane@anasazi.com (Duane Morse)
Subject: Road races in October in New England -- anyone have a schedule?
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:30:29 GMT

I'll be on vacation in New England the first two weeks of October.  I would
very much like to run in road races there.  Can anyone out there direct
me to running clubs who have this information or e-mail me the dates
and phone numbers for runs?

I'll be staying in the following areas a few days each: New Haven (CT),
Lenox (MASS), Woodstock (VT), and Portland (MN).  If anyone can recommend
places to run around here, I'd be grateful.
-- 

Duane Morse	e-mail: duane@anasazi.com
(602) 861-7609
From: kmv@vu-vlsi.vill.edu (Kunal M. Varty)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Running on cold, rainy days
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:23:08 GMT
Organization: Villanova University

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What precautions are recommended before running on cold, rainy,
or cold + rainy days? What clothes? I have been running fairly
regularly this summer, and would like to continue running in the
winter, but I don't want to catch pneumonia or something. I am about
to join Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, where the winters
are long and cold, so I would like to be prepared. 

Of course, I could switch to swimming, but I really prefer to run.

Samir Misra samir@kashi.med.upenn.edu Home: (215) 971-9269 Work: (215) 662-6358
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From: yphotons@athena.mit.edu (Yonson Serrano)
Subject: rec.running FAQ NOTE READ THIS
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 07:16:26 GMT

Hi,

I maintain the rec.running FAQ. I am posting this note to let everybody
know I have relocated to California from Texas. Due to this move I have not
had a chance to update the FAQ. I am reposting an old FAQ as of today.

I will have a new and UPDATED FAQ ready to go next week. It will take 
into consideration many of the changes I have been asked to make. So
please have patience and wait for the new one next week.

You can continue to send me mail at MIT for now. I will have a new
account with Oracle next week.

Thank You,
Yonson Serrano

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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Orthotics on the BA peninsula
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:52:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



Fellow runners:

I have been having a problem and I am hoping someone can help...

I got orthotics a few years ago to correct problems created from high
arches. Now when I run ( a 5-9 mile course with lots of up and down hill)
on the downhill I get a lot of pain across the top of my toes! I think
my orthotics are forcing my toes and the top of my feet to absorb too
much shock when I run. Has anyone ever experienced this and found 
a way to correct it? Is it likely a correction in the orthotic that
needs to be done? Can anyone recomend a way to fix this or a good
place near Redwood City California to get a correction made to the
orthotic??

I don't normally read this group so please send e-mail!

Thanks in advance.

RF
From: os2user@dougp.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Need help with Shin Splints
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:59:24 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In  <1992Aug21.115905.3227@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>  severn@titan.ksc.nasa.gov (Dave Severn) writes:
>
> Hello rec.running,
>       I am posting this question for my girlfriend as she is an avid runner.
> She is experiencing a great deal of pain after she runs from what she claims
> are shinsplints. I have checked your FAQ for her and she say's that she is
> etc......

I have a couple of suggestions that might help.

1. Try picking up marbles with your toes and holding onto them for a few
   seconds. I did this at work for a while. Felt kinda stupid, but no one could
   see my feet.

2. Stand on the stairs with your heels out over the edge.  Push yourself up
   and down with your toes. Repeat 5 million times.

3. If you can, rig something with either surgical tubing or a large rubberband.
   For example: put the tubing around one of the back legs of your desk in
   some sort of a loop. Reach under the tubing with your toes, with your heel
   as a pivot pull the tubing toward you. This will work the muscle in the
   front of the shins. Repeat 6 million times. It's easier than the stair
   exercise

4. Run on different terrain, preferably grass. It'll absorb the shock.

5. This normally affects knees, but it might affect shins.  Don't run on the
   same side of the road all of the time. It is sloped left or right to let
   the water run off. Running on the same slope for long periods of time will
   cause adverse effects to the ankles, shins...etc....

I hope some of these suggestions will help.

Good luck

Doug Poirier
From: dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running on cold, rainy days
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:05:13 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Colorado Engineering Labs

In article <1992Aug17.152308.2090@vu-vlsi.vill.edu> kmv@vu-vlsi.vill.edu (Kunal M. Varty) writes:
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>| Samir Misra (samir@kashi.med.upenn.edu) using Kunal's account.     |
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>What precautions are recommended before running on cold, rainy,
>or cold + rainy days? What clothes? I have been running fairly
>regularly this summer, and would like to continue running in the
>winter, but I don't want to catch pneumonia or something. I am about
>to join Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, where the winters
>are long and cold, so I would like to be prepared. 
>
>Of course, I could switch to swimming, but I really prefer to run.
>
>Samir Misra samir@kashi.med.upenn.edu Home: (215) 971-9269 Work: (215) 662-6358

Wear a hat...most of the body's heat escapes through the head.  Wear layered
clothing...cotton shirts.  It's more preferable to wear 3 long sleeve
cotton shirts than 1 bulky sweat shirt.  The layering traps the warm
air between layers and keeps your warmer.  Wear gloves.  There's 
nothing more uncomfortable than cold hands.  Besides, it's very
easy for the fingers to freeze. 

I've always found that if I keep my upper body warm, I can usually run
with shorts.  Your legs will be moving so it will stay warm...eventually, if
it doesn't at first.

You can also try running at noon when it's warmest.  If all else fails,
I hear you can make a lot of friends at a pool.  Happy running!
 
--
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Dan Guerrero : dguerrer@rigel.hac.com     |  All science is either physics
Hughes Aircraft Colorado Engineering      |  or stamp collecting.
   Laboratory				  |     - Ernest Rutherford
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: S P E E D !!!!!
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:55:44 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <41754@ogicse.ogi.edu> stieger@apee.cse.ogi.edu (Ron Stieger) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.191428.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au> s342053@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>>i was just wondering what would be the most effective and productive way!
>>Question: does cycling assist in the build-up of leg speed?
>>Q: What's a good running shoe(grass..asphalt.....$100-$250)  ?
>>Q: what about weights...will they help...should i try to build up my speed
>>first and the concentrate on putting on muscle mass???
>
>As far as the most effective way to build speed, it would be interval
>training.  Short (probably 100-400m), with nearly full recovery, unless
>you'd like to get some endurance too.  The number will depend on the
>distance, but probably a total of 6-20 is good.  Cycling will help,too,
>if you go fast, but it uses the leg muscles somewhat differently than
>running.
>For shoes, I like Nikes, Air Pegasus are about $70.  Sauconys are also
>good, and I use them for cross country.  I think they're about $40-60.
>I don't know much about weights, but I would suggest you lift while
>you're training.  It's not going to hurt, as long as you don't overdo
>it.

This is a good start. I would ask, however how serious you plan to be about 
this speed-building.  I would not recommend cycling if you are really training 
to be a sprinter. The range of motion runs counter to what you want to 
accomplish in sprint training.  Interval training is definitely the way to go 
with some supplements designed to build explosive muscles. Hopping up a flight 
of stairs, running the stairs things like that. Also, leg strength training 
is recommended. Generally I'd stay away from really heavy weights on the 
upper body but squat and leg-lift for all you're worth.  And train for sprints
in spikes when on the track. Flats are nice for warmups and distance but they 
are not designed to go 25 miles-per-hour.. Spikes are.   A good pair of spikes
can be had for around 50 bucks. If you really want to be fast... you gotta 
practice running fast! Some of the later techniques that have popped up 
are the parachute/rope methods where resistance is increased artifcially so 
as to force greater effort. This is reputed to have greatly increased speed 
in those who have used it.  

If you are just a distance man looking for a little finishing kick, forget 
everything I've said.. I have no idea how that works. 



-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Muscles and running times
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:08:56 GMT

Running builds a specific set of muscles, mostly up the back of the body, ie
calfs, hamstrings, lower back.  This creates an imbalance which leads to
injuries.  One way to combat this is to use weights to exercise the opposing
muscle groups like the shins, quads, and abdomen.  This only improves a runner's
times to the extent that it helps them avoid injury and keep them training. 

Running does nothing for the upper body, so runners interested in total fitness
should probably do some form of upper body workout too.  There is little reason
to believe that upper body work will improve your running times (or hurt them
unless you put on a lot of bulk which is unlikely).  Some runners (like Steve
Spence) believe that they can maintain form better late in a marathon if they
have more upper body strength.  There is little evidence for or against this, so
it's just a matter of person opinion.
Tom
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:49:18 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Aug11.224014.2106@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari) writes:
> 
> I guess this question has already been posted, and that it can be found in
> a lot of pubblications, but anyway....
> 
> How do you relate the times of 10k, half marathon and marathon? That is, if
> my PB are Xminutes in the 10k and Yminutes in the half marathon, what should
> I expect to be my time in the marathon, assuming I train at my best?
> I would be interested in target times under 3:00 in the marathon.
> 
>             
> 		     FRANCESCO 

Yes, there are various conversion charts available. 
From Galloway (GALLOWAY'S BOOK ON RUNNING):

   5K        10K       20K       Marathon

  18:07      38:06     1:20:13    2:59:13

From the May-June issue of PEAK RUNNING PERFORMANCE, a running 
newsletter:

  18:24      38:30     1:26:12    2:59:54
		   (1/2 marathon)


I quoted these times because, I would guess, you want to know if
you can reasonably achieve a 3:00 marathon time based upon your
times in the 10K and 1/2 marathon. 

BTW, if memory serves me correctly, Noakes (THE LORE OF RUNNING) 
states that the single best predictor of marathon times is not
VO2 Max or anything like that, but rather your 10 K time. I believe
the Noakes book also has some charts for equivalent times at
various distances.

-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: fact or fallacy???
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:48:17 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1684214EA4.ROCKY@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> ROCKY@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Rocky Essex - University of Florida) writes:
> 
>I concur that asphalt is definitely softer than concrete.  But I
>believe Jeff Morris pointed out --- sounds like time for new shoes.
>Just yesterday I had to run somewhere (necessity not desire) and
>had my old running shoes on.  My knees and ankles hurt after about
>the first mile.  Fortunately I was running home so I changed to
>the new shoes on the journey back --- what a difference.  I'd try
>shoes.  Good Luck.

 I've had the same expereience running in old shoes. I wonder if this problem
can be abated by keeping the bottoms properly built up with shoo-goo, or if
it also has to do with a breakdown in the cushioning properties?

 I've also had the above mentioned symptoms with brand new shoes of a model
that were identical to shoes I had used for several years! They were sent
back to the company and I got something like 75% of my money back. I had 
wore them several times not really believing that brand new, tried and true
running shoes could do this.

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From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:39:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.224014.2106@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari) writes:
|> How do you relate the times of 10k, half marathon and marathon? That is, if

One approximation is to adjust pace by 5% to 6% for each doubling or halving
of distance.
-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email gkc@udev.cdc.com
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon  
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:23:44 GMT

lari@robotics.berkeley.edu 	 writes:

>How do you relate the times of 10k, half marathon and marathon?

It depends on your weekly mileage.  For instance, I run 15 miles
per week, and my best times are:

200 meters	3:52/mile
1 mile		5:26/mile
5K		6:05/mile
10K		6:20/mile
1/2 marathon	7:00/mile
marathon	8:00/mile

If you run 100 miles per week, then your pace will be almost the same
regardless of distance.

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Xref: sparky rec.running:2376 misc.fitness:6931
From: Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 46 seconds - what's a decent pace for fat people?
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:26:12 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug19.144635.8167@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> banchy@aplcen (Banchy thomas g (410) 461-2216) writes:
>So, how about posting height, weight, and best 
>time for 1 mile, 5K, 10K, and marathon (or estimates).  Also, does 
>anyone els ehave a better candidate for optimal balance of physique
>and aerobic fitness than the triathlete?
>
>Tom 

I'm 26, 6' and 162 lbs.

Best for mile - 4mins 46
5K - 18 mins 12
10k - 37mins 20
marathon - no idea, though I'd say 3 hrs 30 to 3 hrs 45 would be about right

I'm not a runner at all, I'm a rower, and I've only run these distances
competitively once - I know after the mile I was feeling I could have gone
faster.

Optimal balance of physique and aerobic fitness? Rowers of course! Very
strong and fit enough to cope with a race that starts with a sprint,
carries on at anaerobic threshold for the middle and then finishes with a
sprint.
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From: navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Stride Angle Guru Offers Dough to sub-2:00 Marathoner
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:08:29 GMT
Organization: Boston University

On Page B17 of today's (August 13th) New York Times, there is an article on
Bob Prichard, "the stride analyst for NBC's Olympic Marathon coverage".
This guy claims that by the year 2000, someone will break two hours in a men's
marathon (2:15 for a woman's).  In order to encourage people toward this goal,
he's offering a million bucks if anyone can break 2 hours in the NYC marathon
this year.  For times between 2:06 and 2:00, he offers money between $250K
and the million.

He apparently also is willing to teach his secret technique to anyone who
wants if they sign a nondisclosure agreement and pay a _$150_ hourly fee.  I
think I'll live...I'll be happy if I get through the Boston Chemical Corp.
Challenge Race tonight... 8)

							Dipesh
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: SPIKES: Recommendations wanted.
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:55:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 A brand new track is opening near my house in a few weeks. It is composed
of a reddish/brown composition material. It looks beautiful! The lines are
perfectly drawn, bright white, and the surface is perfect.

 This has made me contemplate purchasing spikes and I was wondering what the
opinions are on types available and techniques involved in their usage.

 One question is are spikes usable on this surface, and are there different
types of spikes available.

 E-mail responses and if I get enough valuable data I'll post the results.

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From: greg@gregm.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Moritz)
Subject:  Walkers/Strollers for fast walkers/runners
Reply-To: greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 20:02:55 GMT

I am looking for a device that one can use to push a couple of 50-lb
kids around at a fast clip.

Does anybody know of such a device that is sold locally or sold thru
a mail order house.

I would envision such a device would have relatively large wheels such
as bicycle or wheelchair - type wheels rather than the 3-5" units used
on strollers for more casual walking.

... sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for a response ...


Xref: sparky rec.running:2344 misc.fitness:6864
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 46 seconds - what's a decent pace for fat people?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:40:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug18.010817.21032@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
)
)Last night I went running, which is not a regular habit for me, but 
)something I plan to do more of.
)
)I did a 1/4 mile in 50 sec, walked one lap, did 1/4 mil in 48 sec, 
)walked two laps, then did a 1/4 mile in 46 sec.

If you can do a quarter in 46 seconds without training, you should
start pointing for the TAC nationals next year!

Tim
-- 
"It is still an unending source of surprise for me to see how a few
scribbles on a blackboard or on a sheet of paper could change the
course of human affairs."   -- Stanislaw Ulam
Tim Dodd, Research Scientist, Georgia Tech  cegtitd@prism.gatech.edu
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: carbo/Protein requirement
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:54:53 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

The consensus from when this discussion has been had before is that runners need
more protein than body builders, but even so, the average American diet contains
much more protein than any long distance runner needs.  Many top body builders
and runners are vegitarians; many are not.  Almost all eat a low fat diet (less
than 20-25% of calories from fat).
Tom
From: wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: sweat
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:55:43 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10


This weekend I performed a test which probably could be interesting
to other "sweaters". 

I made a normal training run of 26 kms (16.1 miles) without drinking 
anything and stated a weight loss of 2.6 kg (91.7 ounces) (65.6 - 63.0 kg).
This gives a evaporation rate of 100 g/km.
(The weather was quite well, not too warm nor humid)

I would appreciate to get some comparable results of other runners,
considering theirselves sweaters or not.

wolf

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From: rkc@kona.cadence.com (Roger Cleghorn)
Subject: American Men in Olympic Marathon
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:00:51 GMT

Does anyone know when the American men made their moves in the Marathon? I was
watching the triplecast and it seemed that the last that they showed any
of the Americans, they were well behind the lead pack, with at least 30-40
runners ahead of them. The next mention is when they finished and I believe
that they were 11th, 12th, and 16th. Did anyone hear more details about this
or do we have to wait for the next issue of Runner's World.
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