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From: alley@argon.berkeley.edu (Rod Alley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: most recent ATI Wonder driver?
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:45:21 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: argon.berkeley.edu
Summary: what is the most recent and where's it found?

Thanks,
Rod Alley
alley@argon.berkeley.edu
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: PARITY ERROR ?????
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:07:31 GMT
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division

In article <1992Jul21.125810.7959@eng.ufl.edu>, jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.014412.13962@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, bevans@mta.ca writes:
> |> In article <92202.234202SCHLAGH@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>, SCHLAGH@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE writes:
> |> >I tried to install Windows 3.1 on a 386DX 25 MHZ.
> |> >When setup calls up Windows (after the 2Xnd disk)
> |> >the message PARITY ERROR ????? SYSTEM HALTED
> |> >was displayed. ALT-CTRL-DEL is the only thing to do
> |> >then...
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> Here's the reason why your POST program doesn't flag your memory as bad. 
> DRAM is a pretty complicated beast. A bit is stored by placing a charge 
> on a capacitor. Lots of these capacitors are arrayed on a piece of silicon  
> to form a DRAM chip (there's other stuff there, but I'm trying to keep this  
> simple). The problem is that many POST programs only check the memory for  
> stuck-at faults (i.e., the bit is stuck at one or zero). Admittedly, these  
> are the most common types of faults, but there are others. It turns out  
> that you can check memory fairly completely using a relatively simple  
> set of tests, however, there is one class of memory fault which is usually 
> ignored: the pattern sensitive fault (PSF). The pattern sensitive fault 
> occurs due to coupling between adjacent storage elements in a DRAM array.  
> Unfortunately, most POST programs do not go so far as to perform a check  
> which would detect a PSF.

One of the reasons that most POST programs do not perform a PSF test is
that Pattern Sensitivity in DRAM (and any other memory) is highly dependent
on the physical architecture of the memory device. In other words, a
pattern test that would find errors in one manufacturers device, would be
totally useless in another manufacturers device (even if the part numbers
were the same). With the vast number of memory devices available, it would
not be possible to provide a POST test program that would accurately provide 
PSF testing across the board.

> 
> Generally, the faster the POST performs the memory check, the less thorough 
> it will be. Probably some of the better POST programs were the original IBM 
> PC/XT/AT memory checks. They were also very slow which really frosted a 
> lot of users.

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From: luit2@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Studenten Erik Luit)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: What does buffering do in smartdrv ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:39:55 GMT
Reply-To: luit2@info.win.tue.nl

If you start smartdrv.exe, it displays cache yes/no AND buffering yes/no.
What does buffering do?
How many buffers should I install?

Thanks in advance,  

Paul.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke)
Subject: Re: Has anyone got 4 com ports working simultaneously?
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:18:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.231950.5682@kentrox.uucp>, peter@kentrox.uucp (Peter Uchytil) writes:
> Just trying a sanity check here.  We're having some problems with 4 com
> ports (gee, who hasn't?).  Win 3.1 supposedly fixed things, but I'm just a 
> little paranoid.  Has anyone seen 4 coms working simultaneously?  Just a 
> simple "yes" will do.  Thanks a lot.

BTW: Have you ever seen *ANYTHING* working simultanously on a PC :-) ???
     (Single Tasking Machine...)

Greetings:
Jan

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: COM3/4 problem.
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:36:00 EDT

Hello.

Yesterday I installed a "RTA-451 2 serial/parallel" card on my PC. I already
got one parallel and two serial ports on the machine, so I configurated the
serial ports to COM3: and COM4: and the parallel port to LPT2:

Before I installed the card I ran the Microsoft Diagnostic Version 2.00
program to check the status on the COM1:, COM2: and LPT1: port. Based on the
output from the program I configurated the RTA-451 card as follow:

    ACE1 configurated as COM3: at address 3E8 with IRQ4.
    ACE2 cinfigurated as COM4: at address 2E8 with IRQ3.
    LPT configurated as LPT2: at address 278 with IRQ5.

After the installation I ran the diagnostic program to check the status again.
The LPT2: port was recognized by the program, but COM3: and COM4: was still
"N/A".

Have I done anything wrong since the diag. program won't accept the extra COM
ports? Everything on the machine seems to work just fine. The mouse work
(connected to COM1:) and the external modem on COM2: work just fine.

COM1: and COM3: will both have IRQ4 and COM2: and COM4: will both have
IRQ3, while LPT1: have IRQ7. Will this work?

If I get COM3: and COM4: to work from DOS, will they be recognized by Windows
3.1? Anything I have to do to make them work from Windows?

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From: tardif@outaouais.ulaval.ca (Pierre-Martin Tardif)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: ATI VGA1024D driver
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:40:23 GMT
Organization: Universite Laval


Does anybody know if ATI sent out new
drivers for Win 3.1 ?

BTW, the same question for Trident 8900 ...

Thank you,
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Has anyone got 4 com ports working simultaneously?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:56:53 GMT

In <1992Jul23.005743.41833@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.231950.5682@kentrox.uucp>, peter@kentrox.uucp (Peter Uchytil) writes:
>> Just trying a sanity check here.  We're having some problems with 4 com
>> ports (gee, who hasn't?).  Win 3.1 supposedly fixed things, but I'm just a 
>> little paranoid.  Has anyone seen 4 coms working simultaneously?  Just a 
>> simple "yes" will do.  Thanks a lot.

>	Yes. You got it.  Though actually I am using three: com1 for mouse
>com2 to for direct connection to other processor (MHC11 board), com4 to
>type this reply.   I also had problems, but SETCOM.ZIP from
>ftp.cica.indiana.edu helped to cure them.  This tiny program loads couple
>numbers in BIOS tables, that allows Windows to recognize com3 and 4.
>Unfrotunatedly I do not remember the directory from which I copied this
>file, but if you wish, I can provide you my copy of this freeware program
>initially designed for Windows 3.0.  Just mail me at
>VEydelman@tesla.ece.ukans.edu  (not at address in the header of this post!),
>and I'll try to help you

It's not necessary to use any special setup program if you are running
MD-DOS 5.0 (which recognizes the existence of COM3, COM4) and Windows
3.1.  I've currently got a machine with 4 COM ports and 2 LPT ports,
and the only problem I have is that one of the COM ports has to sit on
the interupt that the 2nd LPT lives at.  I'm only using 3 of the COM
ports right now (mouse on COM1, machine-machine link on COM2, modem on
COM3), but it all works fine AS LONG AS YOUR HARDWARE IS CONFIGURED
SUCH THAT EACH PORT HAS ITS OWN INTERUPT (I am using IRQ4, IRQ3, and
IRQ2 -- COM4 is at IRQ5, with LPT2).

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From: ROBR@brownvm.brown.edu     (Rob Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Manual feed on Personal LaserWriter NT
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:06:31 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

I've got a Apple Personal LaserWriter NT that I want to print to from my
PC.  I've got my PC linked to an AppleTalk network via a DayStar LT200
board and I've been able to print files without problem (both graphics
and standard text).  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to use the
manual feed printer tray.  I know that I'm using the printer successfully
since I can use the paper tray from a Mac on the network (the network
consists of a PC, a Mac, and a printer).

I suspect the problem is that I don't have the right driver.  I've tried
all four that come with Windows 3.1 (LaserWriter, LaserWriter II NT,
LaserWriter II NTX, and LaserWriter Plus), but there's no "Personal
LaserWriter NT".  Does anyone know if such a driver exists and where I
might get it?  Are there other things that I might check?  Has anyone
else successfully used the manual feed tray on the Personal LaserWriter NT?

Thanks.

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From: rmast@cs.vu.nl (Mast RN)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: Which HIMEM.SYS to use?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:30:34 GMT

krishnan@ra.csc.ti.com (Srinivasan Krishnan) writes:


>I have installed DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, and C++ 7.0 (SDK 3.1) in my
>machine.  All three of them have HIMEM.SYS. Which one do I use?
>I suppose I should use the one in Windows 3.1.
Last weekend I read the big DOS 5.0 book. In there is the answer...

You have to use the DOS 5 version!

>I know all three of them are different, because I used the fc 
>command.  Can someone send me mail to
>		krishnan@wind.add.itg.ti.com

>Regards,
>Krishnan
From: s_furrer@irau28.ira.uka.de (Andreas Furrer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: 486-33 vs 486-50DX2 vs 486-50 vs 486-66DX2
Date: 30 Jul 1992 12:27:36 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: uka
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau28.ira.uka.de

I'm interested in some benchmarks between

486-33, 486-50DX2, 486-50, 486-66DX2

Is it better to buy a 486-33 or a 486-50DX2?

I think with Windows applications the 486-50DX2 must be
slower than the 486-33, because there is a lot of 
Memorymanagment and many I/O operations.

Andreas Furrer
s_furrer@ira.uka.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: schwartz@possum.den.mmc.com (Michael I Schwartz)
Subject: Help with Seagate "little" SCSI drives
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:39:40 GMT

I have set up many Windows 3.1 packages, and have had problems only with
this one:
	AT clone with AMI Bios
	4MB memory
	Stacker
	2 80MB Seagate SCSI drives with the "little" SCSI controller
	  (it seems to be specific for Seagate SCSI drives)
	Soundblaster
While running setup, occasional "disk full" errors (erroneous) occur,
and are successfully bypassed by clicking "Retry"

I have disabled smartdrv, since I don't trust the installation yet.

Once these things are done, the setup appears to be OK, but these
occasional disk problems reoccur.

The only variations from other installations I've done under 3.1 are
(a) Stacker (though this worked fine for 3.0)
(b) the odd SCSI drive controller (also worked fine for 3.0)

The soundblaster worked under 3.0, and appears to work well under 3.1 as
well.

Has anyone seen this problem, know what it means, or have a workaround?

Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: dtodd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (David M. Todd)
Subject: 3.x programs in 4.0
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:37:30 GMT


I bought Coherent 2.x mostly to run a program for text processing that had
been ported to Coh.  I have ordered 3.0 and want to know if the program
that was written for 2.x will have to be recompiled with 3.0 in order to
run on 3.0?


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From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Questions on terminal/modem/graphics/tape drivers
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:29:10 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

schwaigr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jim Schwaiger) writes:
> 1) How many "terminals" can run on a Coherent system (please
>    split this into "pseudo" terminals on the console and
>    remote terminals run over serial line/modem).

12 virtual consoles, up to 4 real terminals at com1 thru com4, plus
other terminals at serial multi-port.

> 2) Which non-text (graphics) device drivers are available?
>    Can more than one pseudo terminal run on such a driver?

Actually none.  A prototype device driver for CGA graphics in the Device
Driver Kit.
MWC states they are porting MGR (the poor-man X11...).

> 3) Which tape drives are supported by Coherent?  In particular,
>    I have a Sytos (1/4") and a Colorado (QIC-40) drive.

The Device Driver Kit (remember only for 3.x) has a device driver for 
the Archive tape driver.

I don't remember for 4.0.

>    Are Coherent files "compatible" with DOS files, to the degree
>    that the Coherent partition can be backed up using DOS utilities?

Coherent has commands to read and write files (and more) on a DOS partition.
Maybe Coherent can backup the DOS partition.
I think the reverse is impossible.

Bye, Lanfranco

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Virtaul Memory in 4.0 
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Organization: umunk (private)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:46:53 +0100

ser@ncsc.org (Ron Stogner) writes:
: I have been reading the postings for Coherent 4.0 (or is it Coherent 386?).
: According to the postings, Coherent 4.0 does not include virtual memory.  But,

Coherent 4.0 comes without virtual memory and without sockets. I'm working
on a BSD compatible socket library, which is running, but doesn't have all
functions of BSD 4.3 yet. At the moment I'm porting BDS talk to 4.0 using
this sockets. The socket lib is freeware, so if someone wants to play
arround with it, please let me know and I'll email it.
If you need it yesterday download it from my system :-)
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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Reclaiming Partitions
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:18:56 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> I want to now reclaim partitions 6 & 7 that I setup for Coherent
> now for MSDOS.  I have done this using FDISK and formatted them with
> no problems.
>
> My question is, how do I eliminate Coherent looking for these two
> partitions?  When I boot up Coherent, it gives me a lot of error
> messages on directories /v /w (the names of the partitions 6 & 7).
> What do I need to change to eliminate this?

Edit the file /etc/checklist and remove the devices that should no longer
be checked.

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From: sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: New uploads at raven (137.229.10.39)
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:42:19 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

In article <SJE.92Jul22114503@xylos.ma30.bull.com> sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) writes:

>I have just finished uploading several new 32 bit sources to the raven
>(137.229.10.39, pub/coherent/incoming32) ftp site in Alaska.  These
>are taken from the PD 32 bit downloading section on mwcbbs.  These are
>in addition to the ckermit group in the sources32 already at raven.

>The titles are:

>elm (feature laden mail interface)
>sc616 (spreadsheet calculator)
>screen (virtual multiscreen interface)
>unzip (decompression for zip files)
>uucp (Taylor uucp port)
>xcomm33 (telecom interface)

Much obliged Steve!  These files have been moved to sources32.

To whomever uploaded cohflex.tar.Z, it came across as 0 bytes and so it isn't
too useful in present form.  You might want to try reuploading the file.

 - jcb
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: uucp
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 09:25:08 GMT

Is it possible to have uucp recognise non-listed sites calling in. That is,
anonymous sites. It really is a bit of a problem having to let people know
that they must use something like MYNAME-=bbsuser and such like? Does anyone
have a fix for this.
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From: MLONGVAL@udesvm.bitnet (Michael Longval)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re:
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:08:49 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Thanks to all those who made suggestions on how to get terminal input without w
aiting for the return key to pressed.

I finally found how to do it... I came accross the exmple for stty() in the MWC
Coherent Lexicon (page 1011 in my edition).  There is a complete example of how
 to implement almost exactly what I needed.  Just a few minor changes necessary
.  Anyway it works great now.

                               Michael <<BONES>> Longval
From: xylos.ma30.bull.com!sje@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0 Release
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:55:00 GMT
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul22.221639.13796@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> mkh@pacific.uucp 
(michael hamilton) writes:
#>  I just got off the phone with MWC, 4.0 startes shipping today.
#>  
#>  Thought Inquiring minds would want to know....
#>  
#     That's funny... I called today (two days after the above was posted),
# and they told me it started shipping this afternoon.  The phone operators
# must have a handbook of responses to use...
#
#     Not that I'm worried.  Apparently there are so many back orders
# that they won't be able to ship *my* copy for a month!  By then 4.0 will
# certainly be out.

I also got the same response from MWC about the shipping.  It looks
like the Twilight Zone Calendar Company has made a few sales in the
Northbrook region.

Instead of calling MWC, those newsgroup readers who ordered 4.0 should
post here when they actually receive the product.  If the order date,
receiving date, and receiver geographical address is posted, the rest
of us could make an informed estimate about future deliveries.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: lentz@gandalf.ca (Jim Lentz (Wheeling Tech Support))
Subject: Coherent article in Byte magazine
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:16:28 GMT

 For those who are interested there is an article in the August issue of Byte
magazine about Coherent 4.0. It is a fairly positive article but covers the
drawbacks of Coherent as well. The article is a page and a half long and is
a pretty good article. Take a look at it,

Jim Lentz         lentz@gandalf.ca
 
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