From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: he can't dance/he can't sing
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:21:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr08.172104.11015
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <+82t4xp@rpi.edu> toshj@vccsouth02.its.rpi.edu (Joseph T. Tosh) writes:

>>I know somewhere around 50 people here in San Diego that are interested in
>>music.  *NONE* of us think that Phil Collins is good.  He was once an
>>OK drummer, but he now wants Fame and Fortune and to Hell with Quality.

>Yeah, 50 people really makes you a majority. Ever think that maybe
>because you don't like Phil Collins, that all your friends would
>more or less share your musical tastes? Oh, and for
>"Fame and Fortune," Phil raised millions of dollars for the homeless,
>a good portion f which came directly from sales of his album and
>from the tour. What have you done?

1) Please credit those that you are quoting.  It is bad netiquette to
   not credit a quote in case someone else wants to talk to that person.

2) Set your editor so it breaks your lines.  A line length of ~70 is good.
   To do otherwise is bad netiquette and labels you an incompetent fool
   who doesn't think that the news.announce.newsgroup newsgroup should
   be read.

3) 50 people do not make a majority.  Do you see me claiming that?  If
   look back on the Genesis mailing list owner's post, he implies that
   the person who started this thread is in a very small minority.
   Everyone I know around here dislikes Phil Collins.  This does not
   mean that he is disliked by the majority of people (record sales
   disprove that).  It does imply that people of taste dislike him :)

4) Do you have proof that he has "raised millions of dollars" for the
   homeless?  I think you'll find the figures are much lower.  I would
   like proof, written, from a respected journal or magazine, please.

5) You completely miss the point:  Phil wants Fame and Fortune to
   the exclusion of Quality.  Why?  Because more people will by pop
   crap like "We Can't Dance" and his solo stuff than will buy
   "Foxtrot" or "Selling England by the Pound".  Where do I say that
   he wants Fame and Fortune to the exclusion of anything else but
   quality?

>>Minor difference.  Since "Duke" Genesis hasn't put out a worthwhile album
>>(imho) and "We Can't Dance" is the worst of them.  (Mainly because it
>>sounds like a Phil Collins solo album.)  I *tried* to like it and even
>>kept it in the CD player for three days like someone suggested.  What a
>>waste of a CD.  We would be better off with a Gamma or Twelfth Night
>>release.

>You "tried" to like it? Why? If you don't like Genesis's new stuff

Because a number of posters said that "We Can't Dance" was a return
in style to the "old" Genesis.  I would really like to see them do
something good.  They can do it:  listen to "Duke", "Wind and Wuthering",
"Trick of the Tail", "Lamb", "Selling", "Foxtrot", "Nursery", "trespass",
and "From Genesis to Revelation".  Why can't they do things of that
quality anymore?  Why this change for the worse?  Because they want
recognition.  

>why did you bother? Or did you just buy it so you could say that
>the album rots, and it's all Phil's fault. As for the album being
>a Phil solo album, listen to Living Forever or Fading Lights,
>the instrumentals in each are NOT solo Phil. 

They *sound* like something that Phil would do solo.  The musicianship
which was evident on their early albums is now gone.


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