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From: miked@col.hp.com (Mike Dotseth)
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:12:50 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

>>     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>>        signs, you figure out how far you have run.  Do you start with
>
>0. Grab can of bright red spray paint.
>1. <more schmuckishness deleted (hi, Jim)>

   Gloss over the last reply, unless you're good friends with all the cops or
you have one and only one run you'll ever put your feet to.

   You're first comment on 'how we do it' is pretty correct. Although some 
runners don't worry about distance, only time and others vice-versa. The
key is not to worry about it too much. If you can say 'I ran about 3 miles
today', you're doing just fine. Somedays it will even be "I ran between 2 and 3
miles today, although I think it was closer to 3". Once you get a few months
of running in, you'll know your pace pretty well and can judge how fast you
are running on whatever terrain. Of course, you'll probably get out with your
car or mountain bike at times to measure a route you just ran to see how far
you really went and if you really did just set a new world record for 4 miles
ran through surburbia. So kick back, relax, enjoy the running and if you 
start to get close to world class level, you'll have timers and people telling
you "YOU'RE AT MILE 15 AND AT WORLD RECORD PACE!". (But do put on a Dead tape if
you happen to go out and measure a route. These things are important:-)

Mike Dotseth      "WOW FUN WOW"
     /_           "They call me Lucky. The harder I work, the luckier I get!"
      |              - Kenton Finanger (Luther College Cross Country Coach)
     / >          "There is no finish line...................................
miked@col.hp.com  (Colorado Springs, Colorado)
From: vvdmtp@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Donna Pavlik (Sverdrup))
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Galloway's Marathon Schedule
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:28:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <43VO020T20ep01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tad10@juts.ccc.amdahl.com writes...
>Has anyone followed Jeff Galloway's marathon training
>schedule and successfully run a marathon?  His plan
>appeals to me, but I've heard that no one uses it more
>than once.  I'm currently 10 weeks into his 30 week
>training plan and would like to know if it really
>does work well.  
> 
>His plan calls for long runs on alternate Sundays that
>increase in mileage up to marathon distance.  You run
>26 miles three weeks before the marathon and taper down
>for the race.  I'm concerned about recovering in 
>time for the marathon, but it appeals to me to cover
>the distance in training before race day.
> 
>I also like his idea of cutting your long run mileage in 
>half on alternate weeks (your long runs for the last
>several weeks would be ...18,9,20,10,22,11,24,12,26,13 for
>example) to give your body plenty of rest, but I'm not
>sure it provides enough overall mileage for a successful
>marathon.
> 
To answer your first question, yes and no.  I used his
training schedule (modified somewhat) to train for
a marathon I planned to run.  Unfortunately I got
bronchitis (severe) about 6 weeks before the race.  If,
no when, I decide to train for another marathon, i will
undoubtedly use that training again.  One of the major
points I liked about the schedule is that it left you
with no suprises for the marathon, you are trained mentally
as well as physically.  You will know going in to the 
marathon what it is like to be out on the road for that
length of time.  And you will know that you were able to
cover that distance at least once before.

I know other people (my father and a few co-workers) that
used Galloway's training for at least one marathon and 
swear by it.  One of them has run the Boston Marathon
several times and on more than one occasion has run 
sub 3-hour races.

Good Luck!

Donna
From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: London Marathon
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:52:41 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Hi

The 13th London marathon (sponsored by NutraSweet) will take place on April 18th 1993.

If you want to run this is what to do.

UK runners

go to any branch of TSB bank for an application for entry form, fill this in
and you should get the *proper* form in October.

Non-UK runners

write to 

London Marathon
PO Box 262
Richmond
London
UK

tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
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From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Irregular heartbeat, running and caffeine
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:50:06 GMT

tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov) writes:
>Seriously, I'll lie in bed at night or sit in a chair
>reading and if I pay attention to my heart, it'll kind
>of skip a beat or two and then WHAM it
>kicks in with a real enthusiastic beat and we're
>back to normal for about a minute or two when
>it'll skip a beat, etc.  I'll make a concerted effort to knock
>off the caffeine (how long until I expect results?),
>but I'm not a big caffeine addict.  In fact I've
>gone weeks w/o so much as a Coke, but have
>never noticed any change in my heart's
>irregularities.

These things can also be entirely psychosomatic.  The guy with the valve
problems its kind of obvious that it wasn't psychosomatic.  However, if
it happens more often when you are actually paying attention to your
heart, thats a clue its all in your head.  This happens to a greater
extent quite commonly with affective disorders like depression and
anxiety -- in fact a common way that anxiety patients finally end up
getting treatment is they first check in with complaints about heart
problems.  I had irregularities related to a chronic depression in
Jr High/High School.  After I realized that it was probably all psychosomatic
and quite common, they slowly went away.  I had one of those "enthusiastic
beats" a few weeks ago...  before that its been long enough that I can't
remember.  Only very seldom happens now.

Get it checked out by a cardiologist.  Chances are he'll tell you it
utterly benign (but visiting the cardiologist is important in case
you *do* have a real problem).  Then just realize that the skipped beats
have been fed off the anxiety about your heart skipping beats in a 
viscious circle -- don't worry about it anymore -- and chances are they'll
go away.

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From: jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins)
Subject: Re: Nike Air Haurache < $100 ???
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:17:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.154143.10040@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> mtc@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Magnetic Technology Center) writes:
>i'm now hooked on the Haurache but...
>
>is it possible to get this model shoe for (a lot) less?  thanks
>for any info ...
>
>  -the runner-
>mtc@henry.ece.cmu.edu

I was recently at one of the Nike factory outlet stores (the 
Silverthorn, Colorado one) and they had the Huarache for ~$76.00, I 
think (the Air 180's were $90.00).

Julia
.................................................................
: e-mail:       jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu			:
:...............................................................:
: Given that true intellectual and emotional compatibility are  :
: at the very least difficult, if not impossible, to come by,   :
: we could always opt for the more temporal gratification of    :
: sheer physical attraction.  That wouldn't make you a shallow 	:
: person...would it? 	 		- Lyle Lovett		:
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From: tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Reply-To: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:02:25 GMT

In article <5945@transfer.stratus.com>, kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley) writes:

>     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>        signs, you figure out how far you have run.

 I'm not sure how others do it, but I used to measure my distances on a map..
(now I use a 400[m] track, which makes it so much easier)




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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: miked@col.hp.com (Mike Dotseth)
Subject: Re: Training at altitude : advice wanted
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:38:14 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

   I moved from Iowa to Colorado and was running about 30 miles a week at the
time. I still live in Colorado. I also came out to Colorado from Iowa 3 times
for a 'cross country camp' and had been running about 50 miles per week. My
answers come from these experiences:

>  - How long will it take until I can run my regular workouts without
>feeling like dying ?

  It takes about a year until you feel no affects of the altitude any more.
But you can probably run your same workouts...just a little slower. The better
shape you are in, the less you'll feel the change.

>  - How long until I can race at altitude ?

  Right away, but don't expect the same times. But everyone else will run just
a bit slower too.

>  - Should I change the type of workouts I do ?  Is there a need to do
>different types of speedwork to compensate for the fact that the pace
>just won't be as fast ?

   I haven't changed my workouts and I don't think there is a need to.

>  -  Do I need to do anything special when going back to sea level for a
>race ?

   Get prepared to feel great when running!!! Probably, you'll want to do
a little extra speed work since you'll be able to run a little faster but
I haven't tested this theory too much.

Mike Dotseth       "WOW FUN WOW"
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 22:48:20 MST
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject:    Knee pain - knee brace?

Hey now,

Ok...I have been suffering from outer knee pain for some time now. My
doctor says that I do not have iliotibial band syndrome but that I am
suffering from an inflamed tendon that is causing me a great deal of pain
(or I have a tear in some cartiledge - this is less likely and an expensive
issue to investigate at this point in time).

Anyway, the purpose of this post is to see if any of you have ever
run with one of those knee braces with the kneecap part cut out. These are
supposed to provide stability and prevent reinjury. I have recently
purchased one of these contraptions and, so far, it appears to be helping.
However, I have taken some time off from running and am only averaging
about 3 miles per day, 5 days a week right now. Marathon season is just
around the corner and I wonder if my knee is going to hold up and if this
brace is going to help.

Just wondering about this right now. Any comments appreciated.
Rich
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt)
Subject: References
Originator: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:49:55 GMT

I would appreciate people giving a recommendation (from below or adding one)
on what they think would be the best over-all guide, and a line or two why.

	The Complete Book of Running - Fixx
	The Runner's Handbook - Bloom
	Long Distance Runner's Guide to Training and Racing - Sperks/Bjorklund
	The Runner's Handbook - Glover & Shepard
	Beyond Jogging - Spino
	Jogging, Aerobics and Diet - Royald
	The New Aerobics - Cooper
Thank you.

-- 
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hweingra@.com (Howard Weingram)
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Reply-To: hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:59:13 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <lamontg.713745349@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme) writes:
>at health food stores -- I think you get about 100mg of amino acids at
>the most from aspartame.  Calling it merely "synthetic" is misleading. 
>
>Of course the sweet taste will cause you to start producing insulin but
>w/o raising your glucose level...
>

Is this what causes me to really need to urinate soon after drinking
a diet soda? No other drink causes me to pass so much water. It's bad
enough that I have to avoid diet drinks in the hours before a workout,
for fear of seriously dehydrating myself.

			hal
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: References
Summary: it all depends
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu2JIp.HsB
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab

In article <1992Aug31.174955.14485@linus.mitre.org> jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt) writes:
>I would appreciate people giving a recommendation (from below or adding one)
>on what they think would be the best over-all guide, and a line or two why.
>
>	The Complete Book of Running - Fixx
>	The Runner's Handbook - Bloom
>	Long Distance Runner's Guide to Training and Racing - Sperks/Bjorklund
>	The Runner's Handbook - Glover & Shepard
>	Beyond Jogging - Spino
>	Jogging, Aerobics and Diet - Royald
>	The New Aerobics - Cooper
>Thank you.

It depends on the reader's (or readers') background(s) and goals.  There's no
one best book for all people.  Focus your inquiry, and I think you'll get more
responses.

My current favorite is Lore of Running, by Noakes.  It's great for me, but
probably not for the beginning jogger.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: acabrera@ee.WPI.EDU (Abel Cabrera)
Subject: The Bible of running ...?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:52:19 GMT

I saw long time ago a posting about a very good book which was "The Bible of
Running". I thought I had it but apparently I did not save it. I also
did not see it in the FAQs. 
Can anybody post or mail me the name of the book(s).

Thanks very much in advance

Abel
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Abel Cabrera Morelos
Dept. EE. WPI
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Subject: Re: Running nerd wants computer log software
Reply-To: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:30:59 GMT

Is there any UNIX(preferably X) based running software out there ???

- Brendan

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From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Sore Heel and Ankle
Keywords: Injury
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:16:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.215232.6068@mlfarm.com>, justin@mlfarm.com (Justin Florence) writes:
|> I would appreciate any help on the following problem I have developed.
|> For the last few days, I have had severe pain on the outside of my
|> right heel area, below the ankle bone.  It flares up acutely after
|> running only a mile or two.  I have been running for my school
|> cross-country team for three years and have never previously had more
|> than a small ache in this area.  I'm 14 years old, 5'-3" and weigh
|> about 95 lbs.
|> 
|> I've been wearing a comfortable pair of Asics Gel Lyte III's this
|> summer without any other problems.  I normally run 3 to 7 miles
|> without any problems.
|> 
|> Should I apply ice, heat, or do any special exercises?  I'm just
|> getting back into shape for running and don't want to miss too many
|> practices, but I don't want a permanent problem.  I don't think this
|> is related, but I just got back from a week of backpacking in hiking
|> boots, during which the heel didn't bother me.
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> Justin Florence                 Owner & General Manager              
|> justin@mlfarm.com               Maple Lawn Farmers (EFBL a04)

I'm assuming it is tendon soreness and not stress fracture.
The tendon wraps around the heel bone and attaches underneath.
Ice is great. Light massage. BEN-GAY or FLEX-ALL.
If the heel rotates outward the tendon around the outside of the heel
is over stressed. This, in a runner without pronation tendencies,
can be caused by shoes that try to fix pronation by being asymetrical.
ie. stiffer on the inside of the heel. Look at the heel. With the shoe on
a flat surface the heel must be perpendicular, (straight).

Ray Mascia
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel)
Subject: Re: Impact absorption
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:31:29 GMT

egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:

>Someone recently mentioned a "league table" of which shoes are
>most absorbing. Could you (or someone else) post it?

>Thanks in advance,

Keeping in mind that softer isn't necessarily better ... Most heavy
runners are better off with stiffer shoes than softer ones (don't 
"bottom out", and control motion). Would you want the same springs
and shock absorbers on a 2-ton pickup as you put on your Chevy Sprint?

Of course, everyone is "an experiment of n=1", and more info is always
better than less ...

Rod Rempel - rrempel@sfu.ca
Department of Kinesiology, Simon Fraser University 
... if two million people do a stupid thing it's still a stupid thing.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari)
Subject: measuring distances  
Reply-To: lari@robotics.berkeley.edu 	
Organization: UC Berkeley Signal Processing VLSI Group
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:25:14 GMT


Terry meant this to be posted, but instead sent a personal reply to me. 
Here it is this interesting posting: 

In article <1992Aug31.155858.14391@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> you write:
>
>In article <1992Aug30.151215.7447@torag.guild.org>,
>rcheng@torag.guild.org (Raymond Cheng) writes:
>|> In article <5945@transfer.stratus.com> kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
>(Karen Fegley) writes:
>|> >     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>|> >        signs, you figure out how far you have run.
>|> 
>|>    Well, since I'm also a cyclist, I just hop on my bike and ride the
>|>     [ discussion of cycle computers ]
>
>Well, the simplest way of measuring a distance with a bycicle is to put a 
>red mark on the wheel, push the bycicle by hand and count the wheel 
>revolutions. No computer needed, lot of time needed. But it is also 
>very reliable, since you can go exactly where you would go running, 
>while riding a bycicle this is not always possible. 
>
>		     FRANCESCO 
>

The most accurate practical method for measuring distances of race courses
is to use a counting device together with a tape measured calibration
course. This is the current method used to certify most road race courses.
The procedure for using the counter and for laying out a calibration course
is described in a TAC publication entitled COURSE MEASUREMENT PROCEDURES.
Send $4.00 to TAC/USA -Book order department-P.O. Box 120- Indianapolis,
IN 46206.

The counting device itself can be bought for $45 (1/92 price) from:
     Paul Oerth
     2455 Union St
     Apt 412
     San Francisco, CA 94123

The device is mounted on the front wheel of a bicycle and counts the number
of times the wheel goes around. (This is not quite accurate, but will do
for now.)

It may interest people to know that there is a sizable community of people
interested in issues related to accurate course measurement. There is even
a bimonthly publication entitled MEASUREMENT NEWS. To subscribe contact
	Pete Riegel
	3354 Kirkham Road
	Columbus, Ohio 43221

Having myself indulged in much defacing of the public highways, I would
be interested to hear further information concerning the legality 
(penalties ?) of marking splits on roadways. I've never been hassled,
but I always worry and feel a bit guilty.

Terry McConnell



            
		     FRANCESCO 



            
		     FRANCESCO 

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Need Tidbits of Advice
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:10:05 GMT

teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:

>In article <BtLC6K.9z@monitor.com> nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.152433.5244@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>  
>>os2user@dougp.austin.ibm.com writes:
>>>Does anyone out there have any tricks to getting up early?  I've been
>>>trying for years, but have almost resigned myself to just running at night.

>>>If you've got any ideas or suggestions that are off the beaten path, I'd
>>>really appreciate it.

<some good ideas concerning clocks deleted for brevity>

There is also going to bed earlier!

This of course involves changing ones whole life...8-) But all it takes is 
three weeks _without_exception_ and it becomes a new habit! Somewhere in
our culture we got the confusing idea that the hours after work are more
rewarding than those before work - which means get-up-as-late-as-you-can-
and-still-make-it-on-time and then stay-up-as-late-as-you-can-and-still-
get-the-mininum-sleep !

just one more mile,
jim p.
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
This life is a test. It is only a test. If it had been a real life, you 
would have been given instructions....
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Training at altitude : advice wanted
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:03:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University


  What sort of altitude are you talking about.  When I was in the Marine
  Corps, we'd go to Pikel Meadows in the Sierras.  Our base camp was 6000'
  and we rnged to about 11K.

  It took me about a week and a half to get in shape for HILLY six milers at,
  for me, a good pace.  I had been running 50+ miles per week in the flats,
  so was in pretty good shape when I started.

  Some of the problems you want to watch out for, aside from shortness of
  breath, are headaches, nasea and diarea.  They are symptoms of altitude
  sickness, and usually go aaway after you've beecome accustomed to the
  running.

  I wouldn't sweat it... if you're healthy and in good shape, you'll do okay.

  Regards,
  jay
  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
  .
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