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From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Please help: cancer and pet Yorkie (long)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 13:35:57 GMT

I am posting this for my mother-in-law (mil) to whom I have mentioned the
net so much that she now asked me to post about her problem to you
all and get your advice.

She has an 8 year old Yorkie that is the love of her life.  Eight is fairly
young for a dog this small, but Fang is older than her age.  Her teeth
are almost all gone (and the vet said from age not gum disease), and she
has some cataracts forming on her eyes.  My mil attributes this to poor
heredity (this dog came from a backyard breeder).  

Well, two years ago the dog got away while she was in heat and gave bith to 
4 puppies.  Afterward she was spayed.  However, about a year after giving 
birth, my mil noticed a lump under one of the tits.  At first she thought it 
might just be stress from the puppies and everything, but it persisted and so 
she took the dog into the vet to check it out.  Her vet clinic has two vets,
an older one and a young one.  One of them looked at it, and in her words,
pinched it and felt it a lot.  They said that there is an 85% chance that
it is cancer.  One felt that the dog needed to have the tissue from all
the breasts removed.  The other felt that that just removing the one lump 
has a good chance of removing all the cancer and at least prolonging the dogs 
life.

Now, my mil has some strong feelings on a lot of surgery for anyone (dogs
or people).  She says that she is morally apposed to "surgering a dog to 
death".  She says that she knows people who had an older dog that "got 
around on 3 legs" and that "if they had left it alone it would still be
hobbling around on 3 legs but after 5 surgeries the dog is dead".  Please
no flames about this, this is just her feelings.  After hearing what the
vets had to say, she says she was leaning towards removing the lump and
hoping for the best (she said that she would never subject the dog to 
the more extensive surgery and the vet said he wouldn't either due to Fang's
age).  However, when she got home and looked at her dog, she changed her
mind and decided she didn't want to go through the surgery only to find
2 or 3 more lumps within the year.

Since the vet visit the lump had quadrupled its size.  My feeling is that
she has probably left this too late and the cancer has spread.  If it was
my dog I would remove the lump at this stage anyway.  She is not sure and
would like to hear arguments for pro and con.  Her vets are not equiped for
treating cancer (no chemotherapy was offered).  They said it would cost
her an additional $200 (in addition to the $300 to remove the tumer) to
have the tumer tested.  She said, ok what do you do if after you test it
you find it *is* cancer and they said nothing.  However, she probably wouldn't
put Fang through chemo. anyway.

Well, what do you all think?  Please, no flames, just helpful advice.  My
mil loves this dog to death and will be heartbroken when Fang does die.  I
want to help her make the right decision for herself and the dog she loves.


Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Bullmastiffs
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:49:38 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov17.121932.5648@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <17437@mindlink.bc.ca>, Dave_Allen@mindlink.bc.ca (Dave Allen) writes:
>> We have recently published a book on Bullmastiffs (by Bill Walkey) and have
>> tried to contact all the Clubs in N.A. but may have missed a few. DO
>> Bullmastiff Fanciers frequent this are of Usennet?
>> 


I live in Austin Texas and am considering getting a Bullmastif sometime in the
future.  Can anyone on the net provide me with information about
either a reputable breeder or useful information about what to look
for when selecting a bullmastiff.

Thanks alot,.

Dan (clancy@cs.utexas.edu)

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From: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel)
Subject: Re: how do i register puppies?
Reply-To: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:11:11 GMT

tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel) writes:

>hi all.  i'm new to this group and soon to be a first-time dog owner.  i was
>planning on buying a registered purebred female and having pups via a
>registered stud.  

>when all this is said and done, how do i go about registering the puppies?

>any insights appreciated.


after i posted this i read all the FAQs and realized this post was not a good
idea.  nonetheless, i did get quite a few pieces of helpful (not condemning)
mail, which i appreciate. 

i likely will spay my dog and perhaps breed another later depending on how
satisfying and involved my ownership is.
-- 
	       there is no religion when a man has  good curry
				       -
      tim clinkenpeel: aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist.
		     -- i exclusively represent myself --
From: rvele@ctp.com (Raymond Velez)
Subject: Gaseous GSD
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:54:18 GMT

	About your dog eating too quickly.  Someone told me once that
they had to put a big rock in the dogs plate, so the dog is forced to
eat around th rock.  This forces the dog to take smaller bites at a
time, and thus the dog takes in less air.  If that works mail back and
tell us.
				ray

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From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: hip dysplasia
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:30:40 GMT
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA


In article <1992Nov18.164725.12910@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jmm7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.M. Maurer) writes:

|>How about Shepard mixes?  I have been looking into a Shepard and have 
|>heard of the Shepard Lab Mix.  From what I hear they have the looks
|>and structure of the GSD and the diffused temperment of the Lab, and 
|>a heartier resistance to Hip Displacia.  Any comments??
|>
|>
|>

There are two aspects to look at here. First, any offspring from
of two dogs from different breeds will vary widely from litter to
litter as well as within the litter. It isn't practical to generalize
about dogs from a "mixed heritage". (This is a primary motivation
for having purebred dogs - predictability).

You also must look at the parents, regardless of the background. One
problem is that the mother's owner may think the father was a GSD,
but it might have been a cocker as an example. Even if both parents
are known, you should also look at the parents themselves. What type
of dog is the mother - friendly, and healthy? This will help your
chances for getting a dog that will live well and fit your lifestyle.

The only way to reduce the probability of hip dysplasia in the offspring
is to know whether either parent has hip dysplasia AND whether the 
previous generations had hip dysplasia. This is often not known with
a breeding between two dogs of different breeds. Also, since both labs
and GSD's are both known to have problems with hip dysplasia, I wouldn't
think that a cross breeding would reduce your chances.

If you have specific requirements for a dog, I usually recommend a
purebred dog since it is most likely to grow up to have the attributes
you are looking for. For those preferring mixed breeds, I recommend
doing temperament testing on puppies or getting an adult dog where what
you see is what you get.

Write down what you like about a German Shepherd, Lab and anything
else you want in a dog. Then do some research. There are many breeds
out there, some less well known, that may fit what you want.
(For example, you might look at the Belgian Malinois which looks
alot like a GSD, but at this time seems to have a lower incidence of
hip dysplasia)

--
Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton,MA
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: teething
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:23:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.190458.440@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>My pup is teething (losing baby teeth, getting adult teeth).  Obviously her
>gums are really bothering her (won't eat non-soggy food; won't play favorite
>'fetch' games when she has to use her teeth to pick up the ball; mouths
>everything & whines a bit, even while chewing; etc.)
>
>Is there any reason not to use Baby Ambesol (or some similar baby-teething
>product) on a pup?  My aunt suggested rubbing pup's gums with whiskey -- said
>she did the same thing w. her kids(!) & it worked great.

I would not recomend whiskey, and I do not know what to tell you about the Ambesol.
I guess it depends on what is in it.  However, you might consider taking an old
sock or wash rag, soaking it and freezing it in your freezer.  Then giving it to 
the pup to chew on.  This provides relief.  If the pup is reluctant to chew on
it, soak it in a boullion (sp?) mixture, freeze, and let him chew on that.

>------------------------
>Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
>Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

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E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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From: cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca (PETER E REISSNER)
Subject: RE: Vacations ...
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:52:57 GMT


I just started reading this group today, which was because I am thinking
about my pet so much today.  See died yesterday morning after a week long
battle with a disease that attacked her red blood cells.  Kiki was a real
fighter, though.  She was a very much loved dog, and she will be missed 
very much.
Re: where you can bring your pet on vacations.  For travelling in Canada,
there is a directory available for about $7.  It seems quite thorough, and
should be available at your vet's or pet food store (in Canada).

Peter Reissner
cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bailey@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dachshund and baby stories
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:10:05 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

Boy, has it been a long time since *I* posted. :)
Just thought some people might like to hear my dachshund and baby 
stories. If not, you have been warned.

It's been a tough summer and fall on the dogs, I have to 
'quarantine' them when Kim, my 19 mo. old, is eating, mainly
because she feeds them instead of eating.  Hubby had a fit
when I gave her some kibble to hand feed the pups.  (He thought
she would eat it, HA, doesn't know his own daughter.)  I'm
now calling the dogs the 'cleaning crew' for those after
dinner toddler messes.

Poor dogs, they have always piled into the recliner in the
evenings, esp. before Kim came, now she piles in with them.
There's been a lot of yips in our house caused by ear and
tail pulling.  (Luckily, except for Al, the one with the
ATTITUDE, I've got good, kid tolerant dogs.) Now they try to
pile on *me*, because I can protect them, right, sure, 
*no way*, they are keeping her busy!  I'm trying to teach
her to pet the dogs, but she must explore.  The other day I
caught her holding and staring at Kailey's paw.

About Al, he's smart, he hides under the kitchen table.  In
fact if she's in one room, he's in another.  Sometimes he hides
so well I forget about him.  But getting on the floor for
'play time' brings him running.

Kailey found the 'rag' again. (I have no idea where it goes, but it 
keeps reappearing at play time.)  And Bo took it from her but Kim
wanted the rag, well he has a *very* strong grip and since Kim
can't tell him to 'give', he held on.  She ran to me *sobbing*,
I showed her how to 'fish for dachshunds' - grab the rag and reel
him in.  She loved it and was all giggles.  She liked it better
when I lost Bo and had Kailey and Terina to reel in, they are
lighter.  

Fetch has been real interesting, Kim knows she can't throw the ball 
as far as I can, so she runs to the end of the room before throwing
the ball.  (A typical toddler throw, it's so cute.)  Problem is the 
dogs are sitting back by me, part of the fun is the race to see 
who gets to the ball first and they won't go for the ball unless
it is moving.  (Guess who fetches?)  Luckily it wasn't hard to teach
them not to take the ball from her.  Now if I could just get Bo to 
fetch, he likes to find a corner and keep the ball.  That's good
for a toddler tantrum or two.

That's all for now,
Lori and the terror team (Kailey, Al, Terina and Bo)
(The second baby is due in May, poor Al whatever will he do?)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco)
Subject: Re: Dog Sports Magazine
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:55:58 GMT

mcnc!fns-nc1.fns.com!vib (Victor Bur) writes:

>Anyway, I'll bother you again, folks.  I need a subscription information
>for the "Dog Sports Magazine".  I remember seen that information on the
>net, so if anyone still has it, please respond.  And if you do, please
>e-mail, not post -- just to make sure I or my node will not miss it.

Hey Victor your mail bounces...maybe that's why you haven't seen it.

DogSports magazine
Mike McKown 707-745-6897

Seen it, but don't subscribe...I have far too much to read as it is.
Dave


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Subject: All I need to know about life. . .
Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:00:28 GMT


This hand-out has been showing up here at work.


	ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT LIFE, I LEARNED FROM MY DOG.
	-----------------------------------------------------

*	If you stare at someone long enough, eventually you'll get
	what you want.

*	When it comes to sex, if at first you don't succeed, beg.

*	Don't go out without I.D.

*	Be direct with people:  Let them know exactly how you feel
	by piddling on their shoes.

*	Be aware of when to hold your tounge, and when to use it.

*	Leave room in your schedule for a good nap.

*	Always give people a friendly greeting.  A cold nose in
	the crotch is effective.

*	When you do something wrong, always take responsibility.
	(As soon as your dragged out from under the bed!)

*	If it's not wet and sloppy, it's not a real kiss.


                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com

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The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)
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From: seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Sighthounds and Flea/Tick collars
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:44:34 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcserv.wustl.edu

I know that greyhounds are sensitive to the insecticides in flea/tick
collars. I also read last night that Afghan Hounds are also sensitive
to the same insecticides (much to my surprise). I guess I should have
made the connection (greyhound-Afghan-sighthound). Are these
insecticides bad for Afghans as well? My 2 haven't seemed to have
any reactions to them.
Thanks,
   Jeff (and Kashmir & Santa Fe)
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Is my puppy sick?
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:10:48 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Nov19.183947.22127@u.washington.edu>
intrigue@stein.u.washington.edu (Shelley Vogel) writes:
>..........normally highly-active puppy is listless & uninterested in food...

No attempt here to diagnose illness remotely, not to mention with no medical
qualifications whatsoever, but....I ALWAYS take my dogs' temperature whenever
I suspect that he/she may not be feeling 100%. This is certainly an easy
procedure to do, and the dogs don't mind too much, usually. I have the best
luck with a digital read-out rectal thermometer, available at any drug store
for under $10. Put a little Vaseline or KY Jelly on the tip, insert gently
into the rectum (not too far), & hold for a minute or so. The digital model
has a beeper that goes off when "done". Easy to clean with soap & water or
wipe with alcohol. "Normal" temp is between 100 and 102 degrees, with up to
103 not unusual in a stressful environment like the vet's office. If your 
continues her unusual behavior (listless, lack of appetite) for over 24 hours 
and/or is  running
an elevated temperature, a call to the vet is warranted ASAP.

Marget Johnson

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From: rdurant@rdurant.mentorg.com (Rich Durant)
Subject: Re: Deafness and Dalmatians
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:33:24
Organization: engr

>  From: ml31157@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Latash )  >  Date: 17 Nov 92 22:02:25 GMT

>  There has been some talk about deafness being associated with white colora-
>  tion.  This is simply not so.  The genes are not linked.  If you want some
>  examples, think about whether dogs like Great Pyrenees or white Great Danes
>  are reported to be more deaf than other dogs.  In my opinion and experience,
>  there is no real correlation between deafness and white color OR deafness and
>  the Dalmatian breed. 
>   ( urological syndrome stuff deleted)

>  Dr. Mike DVM

Dr. Mike,

Just recently a local (Portlant OR) Dalmatian breeder told me about a
talk that she attended. It was given by a Boston area DVM who's doing
research on Deafness in Dalmatians. This tends to point out that there
are DVM's who think there IS a correlation between deafness and the
Dalmatian breed.


--
Rich           rich_durant@mentorg.com
              | Mentor Graphics Corp  | Phone: 503-685-7000
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From: scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT)
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:14 EST  

In article <1992Nov20.192508.13330@hou.amoco.com>, zjsg12@hou.amoco.com writes...
>My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
>a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
>dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
>as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
>house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
>won't be a problem. What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky,
>and Alaskan Malamute.
> 
>Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> 
>___________________________________________________________________
> 
>Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
>Amoco Production Company
>Houston, Texas
> 
>____________________________________________________________________

I would highly recommend a Giant Schnauzer for you.  The breed is reknowned
for very minimal shedding, no doggie smell, and believe me they are 
wonderful with children!

Their size (around 90 lbs or so) can be intimidating to strangers, but they
are big babies with their family.  Our Rex is a fantastic watchdog.

I can recommend a breeder or two for you, if you're interested.

Also, Giants are loyal, very intelligent, and for their size are 
surprisingly graceful.  They don't seem like big dogs.

Geoff




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From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Off-Leash Area Near Redwood City
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:50:20 GMT

This is intended to for distribution in the  San Francisco Bay Area.
Sorry if it  gets beyond that, which it probably will.  :-)

I'm looking for an off-leash area in or near Redwood City.   Friends are
coming to visit, and they're bringing a very active Vizsla puppy.   The
dog needs to be run, and after Thanksgiving, so will I.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Mutts vs. Purebreds
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:09:59 GMT

I hate to sound like a broken record, but for the sake of the dogs, allow me.
Not all dogs at shelters are dogs of questionable health or breeding.  Of
the twenty or so dogs at the shelter I volunteer at, at least four are pure
bred dogs with papers and have no health problems another 8 or so are puppies
that were born in our care at a private home with someone who works to make
sure they are well socialized and healthy little pups!  You wouldn't believe
how many dogs end up at the shelter, not because they are second rate dogs
but because their owners had a few faults themselves.  

We've got a purebred dalmation who was brought in last week by a family
who loves it.  They had bought a rottweiler about a year ago.  The rott
was getting very aggressive and they couldn't handle it.  Unfortunately
much of this aggression was toward the dalmation.  After a particularly
horrendous fight, they realized if they didn't give up one of the dogs,
the dalmation would be dead soon.  So, they gave up the dalmation.  Now
this poor guy is in need of a home.  He's well mannered, devoted, and
even has papers (I'm pretty sure--he's clearly pure bred).  The poor guy
looks very abandoned and unhappy.  (How do they know?)  He's been
healthy all of his life, well mannered and gets along with kids.  If you
think this dog is the exception to the rule for shelter dogs, think again.
Many, many of the dogs have known histories, which usually include great
health, breeding and temperament.  Often these stories get lost in the
paperwork in the shelter--we don't want to put people's lives on the 
dogs' cards indescriminately.  The stories that I could recite from the
last six months are too numerous to start and some of them are too shocking
to want to dwell on.  Perhaps the most common story we hear is the family
is going through a divorce and neither side feels capable of including the
dog in their new life. 

Second rate dogs?  I know what is meant and I agree we have some of them
as well, but you wouldn't believe the gems we also get in. 

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca (PETER E REISSNER)
Subject: RE: Vacations ...
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:47:04 GMT

I just started reading this group today, which was because I am thinking
about my pet so much today.  See died yesterday morning after a week long
battle with a disease that attacked her red blood cells.  Kiki was a real
fighter, though.  She was a very much loved dog, and she will be missed 
very much.
Re: where you can bring your pet on vacations.  For travelling in Canada,
there is a directory available for about $7.  It seems quite thorough, and
should be available at your vet's or pet food store (in Canada).

Peter Reissner
cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca