HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cayouett@nmerh53.BNR.CA (Daniel Cayouette)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for a new feature
Reply-To: cayouett@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:48:31 GMT

This behavior is especially true when writing a long message or if you want
to compose a message but send it at a later date.

I've added a quick kludge so that you could save an un-finished message
along with its headers in an special 'unsent' folder.   This is done
when you f)orget a message and you confirm that you would like to send it
later.

You can then turn back to reading new messages before you decide to go
in the 'unsent' folder, select a message, press 'm' which brings you
back at the spot before issuing the f)orget command.

Would there be any interest for a 'feature' patch like this?

Daniel

In article <1992Oct15.210302.8120@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp
(Adam Shostack) writes:
|> When using elm in a windowing system, I tend to write all my mail in
|> different windows, and then use elm to send it off.  I do this because
|> occaisonally I want to read new mail while working on a long and
|> involved email.
|> 
|> I think it would be really nice if elm could realize that it was
|> running under X, and call up a new elm process anytime you sent mail,
|> with something like xterm -e elm -s subject joe, and then had a
|> pointer to the body of the file, if you were including a copy.
|> 
|> When you got done with the mail, the composition window would go away,
|> and all the while, the main elm process could be used to read new
|> mail, start new letters, etc.
|> 
|> What do people think?
|> 
|> (Of course, this would have to be in version 3, but that was going to
|> be a complete rewrite anyway, so why not toss out ideas now?)
|> 
|> Adam
|> 
|> 
|> Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu
|> 
|> What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
|> at all.  How true that is.      
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From: cspamy@uta.fi (Pasi Myllym{ki)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: forward
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:01:07 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

I have heard that mail messages can be automaticly sent forward to another     
computer if I want so.
I mean if I want my mails from e-mail address kielo.uta.fi sending automaticly
to vehka.uta.fi, what should I do?

-Pasi
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: elm2.4PL2 sources available on univie
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:06:34 GMT

  As the subject states. ftp.itc.univie.ac.at:/pub/AIX/elm2.4.PL2.tar.Z,
with config.h set up for AIX 3.2<.
								Tom
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:07:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.061902.1187@ifi.unizh.ch>, maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis) writes:
|> In article <CKD.92Oct5210542@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
|> >The solution is to use:
|> >
|> >XTerm*titeInhibit: on
|> >
|> >which causes the ti and te codes to have no effect (not switch you to an
|> >alternate screen buffer, etc).  I prefer this behavior, as it solves
|> >similar "problems" with less, emacs, and other termcap-aware programs.
|> 
|> I also tried this. Ok it works, but what about other programs I start
|> in the same xterm which rely on ti and te? I don't think it's the right
|> way to brutally switch off this nite functionality...
|> 
|> silvano

I also use the "XTerm*titeInhibit: on", but it gets overridden when there
are ti/te entries for my terminal type in /etc/termcap - and there ARE at
our site for the xterm terminal type.  I have to be a vt100 to keep from
getting my ti/te preference re-set.

I ALSO don't like the screen to clear when I exit.

Jan
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mnash@IDA.ORG (Mike Nash)
Subject: "Delete" causes exit?
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:18:23 GMT

Is this really happening to me:

If I hit the delete key in response to the "Command:" prompt from ELM 2.2 PL10,
ELM interprets it to mean "exit"?

Bug or feature?
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM vs PINE
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:23:29 GMT
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

In article <k+jpch+@lynx.unm.edu> hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) writes:
=
=
=Hello mailers :
=
=I am suppose to do a comparison between ELM and PINE (you never heard of
=PINE before!!! :-)  This comparison is mostly in terms of functionality
=from users' perspective and a bit from maintenance of the mail-program
=point of view.
=
=I've got a load of documents to read on ELM but not as much for PINE.

There's only one thing for you to read if you're running System V: PINE
doesn't compile under System V!
From: johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Lord Yak Da Hairy)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Choice of pagers
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:08:33 GMT
Organization: The Devastating Rear Shot, Inc.

In article <Bvv274.B9p@encore.com> epeterso@encore.com (Eric Peterson) writes:
>It appears that if the message is about 4-5 lines fewer than the number of
>rows that Elm 2.4 will display the message without the pager.  I've got an
>80x24 window with messages of 18, 19, and 23 lines in my box right now.
>The 18- and 19-line messages are displayed without the pager, while the
>23-line message is displayed with the pager.  Under Elm 2.3, all three
>messages are displayed with the pager.
>
>I *love* this new behavior, BTW ... that's exactly the kind of intelligence
>that Elm should use in this matter.

I think the new behaviour sucks *large* rocks - I would prefer an option
for "minimum number of lines in the message before the pager invokes", so I
could set it to 0, and Eric could set it to his screen length. Then I
could use the old behaviour, and Eric could stay with the new stuff...

-- John Yeates (Lord Yak Da Hairy) ---------------- johny@cogs.susx.ac.uk --
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: eotto@cbnews.cb.att.com (erick.otto)
Subject: Compiling ELM2.4 on Amdahl uts
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:59:26 GMT
Keywords: compile,uts,amdahl

Hi,
	After some hints from syd the elm2.4 PL0 now compiles o.k. on amdahl uts
	systems. For all of you trying to do so take note of the following !

	1) Run configure and answer the following questions with response below

	   When it askes for libraries to include add -lcurses

	   When it askes for termlib answer with NO
	
	   When it tell you it can not find the c library answer with

			/native/lib/libc.a

	   When is askes for password style enter GCOS

	2) After completing the Configure, go to the lib directory and
	   edit the Makefile. Add the following after the CCFLAGS =

		CCFLAGS   = -Dvoid=int -Dsize_t=int


I have tested most of the stuff and everything seems to work perfectly.

NOTE: I wonder what domainize exactly does, could not find anything in the
      manuals.

      I am missing the system/person check in the a)lias functionality
      What happened here ???


--
	Erick Otto
	AT&T NS-NL
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: epeterso@encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Subject: Re: Choice of pagers
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:40:15 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Syd Weinstein (syd@DSI.COM) wrote:

: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips) writes:
:
: >I have our favourite pager 'less' configured as the default pager, and
: >mostly ELM 2.4 runs it. But if the message is short (fits on one screen, I
: >guess) ELM seems simply to splat it out, with a "Press i to return"
: >message at the bottom.
: 
: It does, elm does not make any distinction at to the number of lines.
: However, Less does make a distinction.  If the message is 1 screen full,
: less exits immediately, unless you set the options to less to make it
: wait irregardless.
: 
: Elm is just putting its press i to return message out dutifly after
: less returned control to it.

Elm 2.3 PL11 behaves like this; elm 2.4 P0 does not.  I just tested this
on a system here where we have both installed.

It appears that if the message is about 4-5 lines fewer than the number of
rows that Elm 2.4 will display the message without the pager.  I've got an
80x24 window with messages of 18, 19, and 23 lines in my box right now.
The 18- and 19-line messages are displayed without the pager, while the
23-line message is displayed with the pager.  Under Elm 2.3, all three
messages are displayed with the pager.

I *love* this new behavior, BTW ... that's exactly the kind of intelligence
that Elm should use in this matter.

Eric
From: poosala@cs.wisc.edu (Viswanath Poosala)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Stupid .sig tricks
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:54:26 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

I had posted prviously about a named pipe to have a varying
signature. 

|> 
|>     I have created my .sig file as a named pipe (using mkfifo). This is a shell
|> script blocked on trying to write to this "file". When I am sending
|> a mail, the shell pgm unblocks and writes a fortune/current time etc onto
|> the .sig pipe. This is read by elm.
|> 
|> 					-Vishy
|> PS: I just subscribed to this group and hence the belated follow-up. 
|> Apol if the issue has been long dead.

I got a mail from breadshaw@sage.cc.purdue.edu suggesting that the 
code be posted. Here it is:

# Assumed to be in $HOME
# ~bak/.signature has the non-varying text to be appended
#
mkfifo .signature			# create named pipe .signature
set i = 1				# mail count
while 1
	cat bak/.signature >.sign	# .sign is temp file to force
					# reading whole file.
	echo "Mail Number $i." >>.sign  # could be a fortune here
	cat .sign >>.signature		# block till someone reads .signature
	@ i = $i + 1			# mail count
	sleep 3				# can i avoid this?
					# i put it here to prevent elm 
					# from reading more than 1 copy. 
					# It worked.
end

				-Vishy
PS: Same idea applies for finger too.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: tom@osf.org (Tom Jordahl)
Subject: Elm not using POSIX signal function
Organization: Open Software Foundation, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:42:43 GMT


While porting Elm to OSF/1, I was looking at the signal handling code.

Why doesn't elm use the POSIX sigaction() calls?

This comment appears in config.h:

/* SIGSET:
 *      This symbol, if defined, indicates that POSIX reliable signal routine
 *      sigset is available.
 */

My copy of POSIX 1003.1-1990 doesn't list sigset() anywhere.  :-)

Elm does seem to use the POSIX sigprocmask() call correctly.

Note: 	If your looking at this code, noe that 'signal' is #defined to
	be 'sigset' in hdrs/defs.h when SIGSET is defined.

Comments from the development group?  Anyone else?
-- 
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From: lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Suggestion for a new feature
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:57:20 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET

I compiled the new elm 2.4PL0 to ISC 3.0 and it works fine (I edited
by hand d_locate='defined' to 'undef'). 

I was a little suprised to find out that it still informs that
messages from pmail (Pegasus Mail used with Novell networks) are
urgent event though they contain only:

Priority:     normal

The programmer of pmail (David Harris) says that it confirms the
standard.

Kimmo

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Subject: Re: elm2.4PL0 problems on HP-UX 8.07
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:11:34 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <HDS735B@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de> jaenicke@emserver.ee.tu-berlin.de (Lutz Jaenicke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.154914.19512@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> andy@ian.stx.com writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.114443.9205@irfu.se>, bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
>>}
>>}I just compiled and installed elm 2.4 on my HP Snake (9000/720) running
>>}HP-UX 8.07.  The immediate problems I have observed are:
>>}
>>}1.  elm -K no longer works in an hpterm X window (it did in elm 2.3 PL11).
>>}
>>...
>>}I am not at all convinced the above necessarily are due to elm2.4 bugs
>>}but I would be interested in hearing from other HP-UX users who have already
>>}acquired experience with elm2.4 to compare behaviour.
>>
>>Okay, we're running elm 2.3 PL11 on a 9000/730 running HP-UX 8.07, and
>>we can't get the -K option to work for hpterm.  So it may very well be
>>something other than 2.4...  Help this helps...
>
>I had the same problem (2.3PL11/710/8.05), which I fixed by commenting out the
>"softkey" line, so that neither ON nor OFF is set. Softkeys can be
>chosen using the "-K" option, now.


This fixed the problem in 2.4.  In 2.3 we never had to do this.  In
fact, here's an excerpt form my 2.3 PL11 .elmrc file which did *not*
break the elm -K functionality:


#
# .elm/elmrc - options file for the ELM mail system
#
# Saved automatically by ELM 2.3 PL11 for Bo Thide'
#

[stuff deleted]

# are we running on an HP terminal and want HOME, PREV, NEXT, etc...?
keypad = OFF

[stuff deleted]

# are we running on an HP terminal and want softkeys available too?
# (this implies "keypad=ON" too)
softkeys = OFF

[stuff deleted]


The 2.4 behaviour seems suspicious.

Bo
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:13:27 GMT

haedener@iacrs1.unibe.ch (Konrad Haedener) writes:
>The reason I used bsdcc is the hint I found in README suggesting to use
>this compiler environment under AIX; I assumed that the members of the
>2.4 PL0 test group using RS/6000s had actually also used bsdcc. Well,
>they obviously haven't, and in that sense I find the recommendation in
>README misleading. According to Tom you seem to be better off with cc
>under AIX, and I would like to suggest that this section of README be
>changed (mention `cc', `-U__STR__', `-lcurses instead of -ltermcap').
The hints in the readme file, are left over from an earlier version
of AIX, are what AIX users sent to me.

So, AIX people, provide me with a new set of intructions for 2.4
for the README file, and I'll replace them.
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From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart T Fleming)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm and POP
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


I must admit to being a total novice as regards Elm.
However, I'm looking at reconfiguring a mail network to use
Post Office Protocol (POP) and I would like to find out how
Elm could be integrated with such a service.

The reason I'm investigating this approach is as an alternative
to automounting /var/spool/mail, which, looking at recent discussion
is an option fraught with difficulties.  What I would like to happen
is that one workstation is allocated as a mail server to a group of
users and mail is delivered to /var/spool/mail on that node.  However,
users should not have to log into the node in order to read their mail;
whichever workstation they log into should be able to pick up mail from
the server.

Any advice on setting up Elm with POP would be appreciated.
I already know how to do this for MH, but I have to keep our Elm
users happy as well.

[The ultimate goal is to get rid of sendmail, but don't tell our
mail admin. I said that :-)]

STF
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:2718 comp.unix.aix:10545
From: ronald@lowt.phys.tue.nl (Ronald Aarts)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:10:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm

tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:

[ stuff deleted ]

>  It has been stated here, that you need -lcurses instaed of -ltermcap; which
>is actually not true. I am running with -ltermcap, and am quite satisfied;
>but attention - I have already seen AIX systems, where the file /etc/termcap
>was missing - in that case, -ltermcap won't work, right. (Even if AIX docu
>states something else). All you need in this case is to copy /etc/termcap
>from any other machine (needn't be AIX either). Using termcap is, in my
>eyes at least, much simpler and transparenter than other terminal control
>methods - well, I am biassed in favour of bsd... :-)
>  For those who do not find any other solution, I put my /etc/termcap onto
>ftp.itc.univie.ac.at:/pub/AIX.

I found the termcap database in  /usr/lib/libtermcap/termcap.src, which 
means that you can make it available by a

   ln -s /usr/lib/libtermcap/termcap.src /etc/termcap

It worked not too bad e.g. for my elm 2.3.11, but now I prefer -lcurses :-)

>  Have fun,
>								Tom
Have fun,
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:2654 comp.mail.sendmail:2476
From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: elm and rewriting From (was: Re: elm2.4, AIX)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:53:38 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

>Oops, i figured this out.  RTF(Ref)M on page 4 about "hostdomain",
>"hostfullname", and "hostname".  Now i get "correct" rewriting to
>"user@dom.ain", but I'd still like to have local mail just be "user"

Me too. Over here addresses are big-endian, and users get terribly confused
seeing this odd address the wrong way round (depends on your definition of
what the 'right' way round is, of course :-) )
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: 2.4 so far
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 06:10:08 GMT

I have some suggestions for handling of aliases.

First, I don't like how ELM has split up the "first name" and
"last name" fields.  Much (most?) of my aliases are for mailing lists,
for which this does not apply.

Second, why should ELM put the real-name field in the outgoing address,
anyway?  For example, if I make an alias as follows:

alias name: bozo
last name: Jerk
first name: Big
comments: A big bozo
address: bozo@foo.uucp

Why should elm address it as "To: bozo@foo.uucp (Big Jerk)" ?
This is very confusing, and potentially VERY embarrassing to
new users, who may either spell someone's name wrong, or plain
just not understand that what they entered would actually go
on outgoing mail.

Why am I forced to enter a real-name field for this alias?
If I absolutely force it to be null, it comes out as:
"To: bozo@foo.uucp ()"

Could we possibly have a switch to disable the putting of the
real-name part of the address on aliases?  (probably best left
as a global option, but with optional individual overrides)

Also, on a totally unrelated note, would it be possible to have
a global default elmrc file?  I would like to be able to set
global options for ALL the fields in the elmrc, not just
compile-time options like shell and editor.  My users get
confused by a number of defaults, and I'm forced to tell everyone
how to change it, rather than just editing a global defaults file.
(Or poking around the code and recompiling it)

My two cents.

--Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: freyder@NeoSoft.com (Rob Freyder)
Subject: Re: New features in elm
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:58:40 GMT

Oops ! I tried to reply to the article about a new feature regarding the
reading of new mail while composing a lengthy reply.  Since I am new to
trn (Phhht) I lost the article after reading it. Sorry.  nn is great !

I frequently want to read new mail while composing a lengthy reply.  
I wish there was a good way to do it.  About the only thing you can
do now is to pipe the message to a file and edit it only to send it back
out when you are done editing.

Macros would be nice too, it would make the pipe option so much more 
powerful, especially if you could map those macros to keys !

Ok. I'm dreaming, but that would really be nice.  

Rob.

freyder@neosoft.com    or rob@marley.aws.waii.com

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From: mallman@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Mark Allman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: mail filters
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:53:07 GMT
Organization: /home/ace/a/mallman/.org

hello,
   i have a question which is not related to elm specifically, but rather
to mail filters in general.  i have heard that piping mail through a filter
is a security hole.  i would like to use the elm filter (no, crackers, i am
not using it, so if there are security problems, you wont be able to exploit
them on my account :-) if it safe.  can people send mail which will have 
the effect of issuing commands on my account?  i would appreciate any 
comments, although i would ask that they be made via e-mail.  if there is
sufficient interest, i can post a summary.

thanks.

mark
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