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From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:50:55 GMT

In article <1jpieuINNod6@shelley.u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) writes:
>> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>> > linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>> >>In a previous article tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) spake...
>> >>>
>> >>>[stuff deleted]
>> >>>i know that my fog lamps don't produce much additional glare
>> >>>compared to my regular low beams, since they are aimed fairly low.
>> >>>but i'm getting tired of being flashed whenever i use my fog lamps
>> >>>and i thought about changing them to amber.  are there any
>> >>>replacement bulbs that would do this?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Turn 'em off. These damn fog lights are nothing but a glaring pain in the ass
>> >>to other drivers on the road (Amber or otherwise) especially since people who
>> >>have them seem to drive with 'em on weather or not there's fog. If there IS
>> >>fog, then please, use the lights (as they were meant). Otherwise get used to
>> >>other drivers flashing their brights at you. Sorry, but I really hate these
>> >>lights (as much as those blinding strobe lights that some cars use as turn
>> >>signals).
>> >>-- 
>> >
>> >Fog lamps, when they are set up properly should not produce additional glare.
>> >I have installed several sets on various vehicles, and always, the beams are
>> >adjusted so that at 25ft they project just below the actual height of the
>> >lamps.  They are pretty much useless, if they are adjusted any higher, as they
>> >will just through glare back in the drivers face.  And yes, I keep them on even
>> >in no fog.  So flash away, I'll just flash back.
>
>>       Like the man said, if they are adjusted properly there is no
>>     additional glare. Besides if they are flashing there lights at
>>     you it is pretty clear that they see you,so just maybe the damned
>>     fools might not pull out in front of you.
>
>That's intelligent.  Why not mount a searchlight on your roof to make
>absolutely sure they see you?  I guess other drivers on the road don't
>have a right to see anything else, other than your lights.
>
>-- 
>Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
>Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
>University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
>iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 

      How many damned times do you hane to be told ?  WHEN  ADJUSTED 

   PROPERLY THEY DO NOT BLIND ON COMING DRIVERS!  GOT IT NOW ?
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:44:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Oxygenated gas
Organization: Dances with Hawks
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

In rec.autos.driving, mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:

> In article 34DLXB5w165w@major.panix.com, dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
> 
> >in the front of my Pathfinder, I came across a reference to "Ogygenated
> >fuels" in the owner's dox. They say not to use anything with more than
> >10% oxygenates in the engine. I suspect this is because of exactly the
> >problems you and everyone else here has described.
> 
> It`s my understanding that the oxygenated fuels contain 10% or less
> oxygenates.  Does anyone have info to the contrary?
> 

  Sure do.  It is up to 15% in Colorado front range counties from Nov.
  through Feb.  I refuel in Wyoming.

  Cheers,
  Victor "Dances with Dominant Paradigm Subversion" Johnson
  ---------------------------------------------------------
From: drew@bnr.co.uk (Scooby Doo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Headlights and driving lights
Date: 20 Jan 1993 14:08:20 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs211.bnr.co.uk

In article <i3qmXB10w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>

	Much chat about driving and fog lamps deleted..

>my high beams" crowd up here in NY, too!    :)

	Over here in England, the fog lamps (below or in the bumper) are
wired to come on with the low beam and go off with the highbeam, whereas
the driving lights (mounted above the bumper) go on with the high beam
and off with the low. On my car, you don't have an option to turn the
driving lights on or off, but you can override the fog lights and turn them
off. But not turn them on unless the low beam only is on.
>
>--
>4x4 owners do it in the mud. And snow. And dirt. And rocks. Kinky, huh?


-- 

Pretty damn silly place to leave a signature...
From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Police transmitter detectors
Keywords: Radar
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.1993Jan26.211004.23365
Reply-To: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Distribution: rec.autos.driving
Organization: sgi

In article <1993Jan25.194239.23031@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
|> In article <1508@fozzy.UUCP> jcross@aud.alcatel.com writes:
|> >Several years ago, I used to see adds for a little box folks were
|> >selling that would detect any police in a 2~3 mile range. It
|> >worked on the simple priciple that the highway patrol folks had
|> >a radio transmiter in their cars that they left on most~all the
|> >time. I don't recall why the X-mit device existed or why it was left
|> >on, but that's not really important. What is important is, does
|> >anyone know if & where you can get on of these nifty little things?
|> >I'm sure someone could make one (if they know the proper frequences)
|> >but I'm not all that into electronics (try to stay w/ Software.)
|> >Are they still effective or did the cops just start switching off
|> >the transmitter once they realized what they were doing.
|> >


Why wouldn't you just transmit the "I'm a stolen lojack vehicle" signal?
Then you'd know where all the cops were.
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:25:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.corp.hp.com

In article <1jp1elINN630@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
[Re: Integra's fog lamps]
>Doesn't mounting them next to the regular headlights destroy the
>entire function of fog lamps?  You'd get the same glare using clear
>lenses mounted at headlight level so I see no benefit whatsoever
>except possibly to marketing.

Mercedes Benz have fog lamps right next to the head lamps, but
they're amber so it doesn't look like someone's high-beaming
everyone in sight.  I have to admit that MkII Integras' front
lights look good during the day--when the lights are off.  They
look weird at night if the fog lamps are turned on.  I suppose if
the fog lamps were pointed down a little more, they wouldn't
distract the car's driver nor other drivers on the road.  I know
friends who have the MkII Integras, and they also have this
common problem of others on the road who think their foglamps are
highbeams.


Ken
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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Revenue collection, Aussie-style
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:27:06 GMT
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1j7cvbINNdce@hal.com> crash@hal.COM (Chris Craddock) writes:
>Well they get around this little piece of judicial logic by defining
>most breaches of traffic laws as *misdemeanors* - not *crimes*. This

Not in California.  In CA, there are main classes of crimes: felonies,
misdemeanors, and infractions.  Most traffic crimes are infractions.

>basically lets them do or say anything they want and the burden of 
>proof (of innocence) falls on the defendant instead of the state. A
>fairly cute (and distasteful) piece of legal legerdemaine.

Again, not the case in CA, as far as the law is concerned.  I realize that
in Campbell, however, it's often enforced that way.  ]-:

>Chris

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:38:22 GMT

In <1993Jan26.003046.5265@Happy-Man.com> josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:

:In <1993Jan25.215055.17522@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) writes:

:>      How many damned times do you hane to be told ?  WHEN  ADJUSTED 

:>   PROPERLY THEY DO NOT BLIND ON COMING DRIVERS!  GOT IT NOW ?

:Apparently, the people you really need to convince are the ones
:looking at your lights.  They seem to have misinterpreted the
:light as glare.  Maybe if you explain it to them their eyes will
:react differently and they won't object to the glare enough to
:flash their high beams at you.  

:(Remember, that's where this started, someone being tired of 
:getting high-beams flashed in his face all the time.  That's a sign 
:people in a position to know think his lights are glaring in their 
:eyes.)  

A nice simple rule is never to let oncoming traffic ever see your
driving lights or high beams.  IMHO these lights should be wired
to a relay on the high-beam side so they automatically go off
when the lights are dimmed.  This is how I wired the ``Super
Oscars'' I had on my '67 Cortina the I raced in IMSA Baby Grand
and drove on the street.  I could boil water at a hundred yards
with those lights, but nobody coming towards me ever saw them
(unless of coarse they had their hi-beams on :-).

:I assume of course you aren't using these in wet weather?  You do
:understand that a low-mounted light pointed down at a wet surface
:reflects up in the face of oncoming drivers, right?  That's one
:problem with people claiming that any wattage of light is fine as
:long as the beam has a sharp cutoff -- it assumes no significant
:reflective glare, which simply isn't true in many conditions.

Properly set up fog lights should probably be wired so that the
headlights are turned off completely when the fog lights are on.
One of the biggest problems driving in fog is the light being
reflected back by the fog and the low position and sharp cutoff
of the fog lights is designed to minimize back glare.

Bill
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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:38:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: bambam.u.washington.edu

bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) writes:
> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
> > linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
> >>In a previous article tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) spake...
> >>>
> >>>[stuff deleted]
> >>>i know that my fog lamps don't produce much additional glare
> >>>compared to my regular low beams, since they are aimed fairly low.
> >>>but i'm getting tired of being flashed whenever i use my fog lamps
> >>>and i thought about changing them to amber.  are there any
> >>>replacement bulbs that would do this?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Turn 'em off. These damn fog lights are nothing but a glaring pain in the ass
> >>to other drivers on the road (Amber or otherwise) especially since people who
> >>have them seem to drive with 'em on weather or not there's fog. If there IS
> >>fog, then please, use the lights (as they were meant). Otherwise get used to
> >>other drivers flashing their brights at you. Sorry, but I really hate these
> >>lights (as much as those blinding strobe lights that some cars use as turn
> >>signals).
> >>-- 
> >
> >Fog lamps, when they are set up properly should not produce additional glare.
> >I have installed several sets on various vehicles, and always, the beams are
> >adjusted so that at 25ft they project just below the actual height of the
> >lamps.  They are pretty much useless, if they are adjusted any higher, as they
> >will just through glare back in the drivers face.  And yes, I keep them on even
> >in no fog.  So flash away, I'll just flash back.

>       Like the man said, if they are adjusted properly there is no
>     additional glare. Besides if they are flashing there lights at
>     you it is pretty clear that they see you,so just maybe the damned
>     fools might not pull out in front of you.

That's intelligent.  Why not mount a searchlight on your roof to make
absolutely sure they see you?  I guess other drivers on the road don't
have a right to see anything else, other than your lights.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 
From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:07:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Oxygenated gas
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving


No, those who notice a decrease aren't crazy or deluded or victims
of poor measurements!  The SJ Mercury News had a short article on this
subject in the last month which indicated that drivers cauld expect a
10-20% decrease in mileage due to the oxydenates.  It seems to be
because the volume of the oxygenates in the fuel reduces the actual
fuel volume by that much.  Oh, well!!!

David Seghers (seghers@hpcc01.HP.COM) 415-691-3730

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From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:56:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Photo Radar: Out of the Picture
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

>
>Here in California, two cities use Photo Radar quite successfully:
>Pasadena (So. Cal.) and Campbell (No. Cal.).
>
>Scott Winders
>winders@aux.support.apple.com
>
I don't know about Pasadena, but a Campbell judge was throwing out all
photoradar tickets which were contested.  I don't know the current status,
and is there anyone from Campbell who can tell us the latest?


David Seghers (seghers@hpcc01.HP.COM) 415-691-3730

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From: MIZUTANT@WHARTON.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Driving fr. PA to Vermont
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:55:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,
I'm going to go skiing at Killington in Vermont, from Philadelphia.

I was wondering if anyone on the net could give some advice on the fastest
way to get there.

Also, could someone tell me where there may be known speed traps, or heavy
concentrations of state troopers?

Thanks in advance,
Taka Mizutani
MIZUTANT@wharton.upenn.edu
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: I'll have a PBJ please.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:59:27 EST
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon F. Gentile) writes:

> >> the amount of your ticket. Here's the deal, if you have a 2 point,76.00
> >> speeding ticket, you have a choice. You can get a 100.00 court cost and 
> >> NO points, or a 50.00 ticket and 1 point and be assesed a 1-9mph over
> >> speeding ticket. Or a 25.00 court cost and all of your 2point ticket
> >> on your record.
> >
> >This is absolutely amazing.. If a private citizen tried this, it would
> >be called blackmail. I guess we can expect no more from the shits that
> >run the legal system.
> 
> They may be shits... But I like the system.  I think that paying twice
> my car's value for el-cheapo manditory insurance has me screwed enough...
> I'd practically sell my soul to avoid points on my insurance....
> I've disputed (and won) all of my tickets... Guilty as sin, but fuck the
> insurance bastards.

Having worked for an insurance company, I can tell you in no uncertain
terms that private car insurance is not profitable at all; most
companies sell it only because it is required if they wish to sell
other, more profitable lines, within the same state.

I'm not saying I wouldn't pay into the same scheme, but that doesn't
make it any less wrong.


--
4x4 owners do it in the mud. And snow. And dirt. And rocks. Kinky, huh?
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Photo Radar: Out of the Picture
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:53:26 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
Keywords: photo radar speed speeding legal

hvozda@wilbur.psu.edu (Eric Hvozda) writes:
>ANyway, does anyone know if there are such boxes in Maryland?
>
>If so, d othey lie along US 220 S, 40 E, 70 E, or 270 S ?

There is a demo unit on the rear of the East-facing sign
just east of the Northwest Branch overpass on the outer loop
of the Washington Beltway. It was active for about one
month after its installation, and was silent much of the
time after that. It has been there for at least two years.

There is also one on the Beltway around Central Avenue.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: vince@bme.ri.ccf.org (Geoff Vince)
Subject: Radar Detectors
Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:36:55 GMT

Can anyone provide information on radar detectors.  What is X abd K bands, 
Stalker, etc.  Which detector is the best buy?
Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:08:31 GMT

In a previous article tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) spake...
>
>[stuff deleted]
>i know that my fog lamps don't produce much additional glare
>compared to my regular low beams, since they are aimed fairly low.
>but i'm getting tired of being flashed whenever i use my fog lamps
>and i thought about changing them to amber.  are there any
>replacement bulbs that would do this?
>

Turn 'em off. These damn fog lights are nothing but a glaring pain in the ass
to other drivers on the road (Amber or otherwise) especially since people who
have them seem to drive with 'em on weather or not there's fog. If there IS
fog, then please, use the lights (as they were meant). Otherwise get used to
other drivers flashing their brights at you. Sorry, but I really hate these
lights (as much as those blinding strobe lights that some cars use as turn
signals).
-- 
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Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     |  treated as ended by divorce or death."
<linley@netcom.com>       |
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: dilmore@eastrg2.cray.com (Robert James Dilmore)
Subject: Fun with toll people 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:48:07 CST

   On our families trip back from Whistler BC, we had a whole 
pocketful of mints and candies from all the restaraunts we had
eaten at. I got the silly idea to start handing them out to all
the NY,NJ,DEL tollkeepers. The responses were excellent. Some
were down right confused, some smiled big time and actually
became real people and said "Thank you very much". Going through
Delaware was great there are about 5 toll booths. We even
experimented with trying to greet the toll keeper without the
mint and with the mint, without the mint got us no reply at all.
Try it sometime, beats counting pididles.

Robert Dilmore
dilmore@cray.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: I'll have a PBJ please.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:39:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.061209.26866@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>In article <s6VqXB2w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>>Having worked for an insurance company, I can tell you in no uncertain
>>terms that private car insurance is not profitable at all; most
>>companies sell it only because it is required if they wish to sell
>>other, more profitable lines, within the same state.
>
>question: when you say "not profitable at all, does that include
>the money they make by investing the premiums collected?
>
now now...let's not discuss those other issues...he just means 'not profitable'
in the sense that the company will pay no federal tax since it goes 'broke'
year after year after year after year...gee...maybe the government should 
shut them down before they 'lose' too much money???
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Headlights and driving lights
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:51:09 GMT
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division

In article <HVssXB1w165w@major.panix.com>, dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
> 
> On a more nasty note, I once saw some idiot - er, maniac, tailgating a
> guy in a jeep at about three feet, flashing his brights on and off. The
> Jeep happened to be equipped with rear-facing off-road lights, much to
> the tailgaters displeasure.
> 

Yeah, and they're 100w apiece (ya, I have two).

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From: paul@pentode.uucp (Paul Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Laser Speed Detection - does it hold up?
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:21:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: none


    I recently received a ticket wherein the speed was determined by a laser
speed detector.  I seem to recall from previous discussion here that these
devices were not necessarily accepted in court.  Does anyone have any recent
experience with these?  Is a ticket based on these a likely conviction?  FWIW,
this happened in San Diego, CA.  I believe that local PD is just starting out
with these.

    I would appreciate any advice (preferrably good :-).  Please direct all
comments regarding the pros and cons of (allegedly) exceeding the speed limit
elsewhere.

    Thanks in advance,
        Paul Walker

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