HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bertone@rws0.ma30.bull.com (Jim Bertone)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: BAC = Boston Crusaders (but why?)
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:19:10 GMT
Reply-To: bertone@rws0.ma30.bull.com (Jim Bertone)
Organization: ZDS



|>In article <1992Sep7.224402.26200@ncsu.edu>,
|>jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep5.095910.15395@husc3.harvard.edu>
|>fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep5.035637.27779@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
|>bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
|> >>BTW, I know I'll shoot myself when I hear it, but who is "BAC"?
|> >>
|> >>>Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
|> >>>odavid@watson.ibm.com
|> >>
|> >I know BAC is the Boston Crusaders but I don't know what the history of BAC
|> >letters is.  Dave, do you know?  Is it some corps secret or can you tell us
|> >the meaning?
|> >
|> >Inquiring minds want to know.
|> >
|> 
|> Well, I for one know what BAC stands for.  It's "an inside" thing, once I
|> tell you, or any other corps member, you'll (they'll) laugh.  Anyway, it's
|> supossed to show Crusaders toughness, etc.  Anyway,
|> 
|> BAC=Bad Ass Crusaders.
|> 
|> Enough said.  Any BAC's out there would probably kill me (hehe) for spilling
|> this one...........

 and

|>
|>
|>You might believe "Boston Athletic Club" if you came to a rehearsal at
|>Fargo... right past the big "BAC" sign of the Boston Athletic Club...

|>Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
|>odavid@watson.ibm.com

Love this thread.....

 Way back in the 70's it was my understanding that "BAC"
 stood for " Boston Almighty Crusaders ".

 Jim Bertone (27th Lancers member 72,73,74 in mind, heart and soul)
 j.bertone@ma30.bull.com
From: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Looking for Leary...
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams)
Organization: Center for Neural Systems, Memory, and Aging

I'm looking to contact the guru himself and would appreciate
any leads to Timothy Leary's mailing address/phone/etc.

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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From: 2fttxeric@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: l-ornithine Anyone!?!?!
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:06:29 CDT
Organization: Whollllly Mackeral

Hi there..


If anyone has an interest.. I have acquired a source for pure
crystalline l-ornithine.  Only problem is that I must purchase it in
large (kilo) quantities, of which I will not use all of it.

If there is anyone who would like to receive some as well as help on
on the cost send me mail at

tphillip@research.rgsps.ukans.edu

or if you don't have a mx agent working try

tap@helios.kgs.ukans.edu


By the way,  L-ornithine is an animo acid that is involved with GH or
growth hormone secretion.  And as may advid alt.psycho guru should
tell you, that help build muscle and decrease fat.  Much like all
those body building things, but this works..

-tp
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Sensory Depravation(sic) Tank
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:21:45 GMT

In article <65899@cup.portal.com>, jhw@cup.portal.com (Jim - Weissman) writes:
>On 9/9/92 20:53 17/949 v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar) writes:
>>  Could someone please explain to me the theory behind the sensory
>>depravation tank, how it works, and what documented case studies have
>>revealed?
>
>I think you mean sensory "deprivation."  

Wait a minute!  I like the idea of sensory depravation!  Perhaps a fallout
shelter stocked with tasty food, a hi-fi stereo, and several compatible sex
partners... would make a nice weekend.  No?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: looking for leary...
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:16:31 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 09-11-92 MICHAEL S.  wrote:

MS|I'm looking to contact the guru himself and would appreciate
MS|any leads to Timothy Leary's mailing address/phone/etc.WILLIAMS

The best way to do this with gurus is to go to a bookstore, copy
down the mailing address of the publisher of a recent book, and
write to the guru c/o their publisher. If they receive the letter
and want more direct corresp with you, they'll say so in their
reply. Pop-culture gurus usually don't make themselves too much
more directly accessible because they attract all sorts of
weirdos, y'unnerstand.
                   |
...eliot          -*-                  RIME: ->CHANNEL [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

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From: v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Sensory Depravation Tank (?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:53:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,

	Could someone please explain to me the theory behind the sensory
depravation tank, how it works, and what documented case studies have 
revealed?
	Thank you very much.  I have only recently become interested in
such things, and would like to learn more.

                                       .
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: RHENIUM SALTS?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:44:10 GMT

    A few years back a read a book that preached the virtues of lithium as a
wonder drug for treating mental disorders.  In the closing section of the book
the author speculated about using Rhenium salts for increasing brain activity.
Anybody familar on this topic?
                                 Kris
From: au445@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carl Virtanen)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: nootropics
Date: 14 Sep 1992 18:46:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello...
   I'm looking for people in the know as to what the current legal status is of
many of the nootropics here in Canada (eg hydergine, piracetim, etc).  If   
anyone knows then please mail me directly at the above address or at my internet
address (ugu00083@vm.uoguelph.ca).  Any help in obtaining these would be much
appreciated.   Thanks!

carl
From: tphillip@research.rgsps.ukans.edu (TODD PHILLIP)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Ornithine
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:17:10 GMT
Organization: Applications Programmer Univ. Kansas
X-Posted-From: saturn.kgs.ukans.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Just A few Things on the ornithine post a few messagea ago please do not 
reply to the address that sent the message, 

reply to Tphillip@research.rgsps.ukans.edu

if you want to be sent information we I get it

FAQ

l-ornithine is perfectly legal, you can purchase it at any health food 
store, and pay high prices I am just wanted to get some for myself and a 
friend and need to keep the price down.  A reference on it is Durk Pearson/
Shaw book Life extension.  Look in there for information on GH releasers or 
Ill send you some information.


People, who are repling need to know that a little amout such as 100g will 
not last but a few weeks, a recommened dosage is around 5g a day.

IF YOU ARE NOT FINISHED GROWING, I.E LARGE BONE GROWTH (AGE <21) DO NOT 
INVEST IN THIS STUFF, YOU NEED TO NATURALLY FINISH GROWING BEFORE USING A GH 
RELEASER OR PROBLEMS CAN ARISE.  

	After 30, GH not produced as often by the body.  Intense exercise 
releases it, as does every ones favorite SEX, (tell that to your girl friend 
the next time she says you want sex to often).  It is best to take before 
bedtime, and along with sex, 5g should wake you up the next morning acking 
from the GH effect.

Nuff Said.
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Beta blockers?
Date: 06 Sep 92 13:09
Organization: Magick Shoppe, Gurth City

  Hi,

do beta-blockers have, besides their stress-reducing effects through
catecholamine blocking, any known psychoactive effects?

Many thanks in advance!  --ralf
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: O. Chem. in this group
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:57:18 GMT


 I have posted a few articles in sci.chem that related in some way to
psychopharmacology and got stern responses and suggestions that I "ask the
DEA". I was wondering if there are many organic chemists that read this
group frequently enough that it would be all right to discuss in great
detail the chemistry of psychoactives. I know Lamont and Jeremy and Petrus
and some others are fairly knowledgeable on parts of the subject, but a
chemist who's been in the field for a fairly long time and with a robust
knowledge would be ideal. Actually even on sci.chem there are very few
"real" chemists... *sigh*

St. Anthonyt

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From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Survey for DMAE
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: ap.2363@cupid.sai.com
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL


	I'd like to see what people 'round here have done with DMAE and what
the results have been..

Preliminaries:

Age:
Sex:
Weight:

Information:

How much did you/are you using, how often, and when?
(e.g. I take 500 mg daily after breakfast.)

What have been the postive effects that you noticed?

Negative?

	Thanks for answering the survey, all replies will be anonymous, and
the survey results will be posted here, and will probably end up on Lamont's
alt.drugs archive.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Survey for DMAE
Reply-To: ap.2363@cupid.sai.com
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:13:06 GMT

	I'd like to see what people 'round here have done with DMAE and what
the results have been..

Preliminaries:

Age:
Sex:
Weight:

Information:

How much did you/are you using, how often, and when?
(e.g. I take 500 mg daily after breakfast.)

What have been the postive effects that you noticed?

Negative?

	Thanks for answering the survey, all replies will be anonymous, and
the survey results will be posted here, and will probably end up on Lamont's
alt.drugs archive.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Subject: Pot talk
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: The Wall
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:13:14 GMT


What exactly do the phycho-active substances found in ganga do?

Why do some who smoke have "psychedelic" experiences while others

simply get sleepy and hungry (off the same joint)?
From: jhw@cup.portal.com (Jim - Weissman)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Sensory Depravation(sic) Tank
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:24:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

On 9/9/92 20:53 17/949 v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar) writes:
>  Could someone please explain to me the theory behind the sensory
>depravation tank, how it works, and what documented case studies have
>revealed?
>Thank you very much.  I have only recently become interested in
>such things, and would like to learn more.
>

I think you mean sensory "deprivation."  Check out a book by John
Lilly called "The Deep Self."  Even better is to try a tank yourself.
Many "new-age" massage type places have tanks available.  Also some
individuals have tanks and rent out time to recover their costs.  Ask
around.

--Jim Weissman
jhw@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Clifton Royston)
Subject: Re: O. Chem. in this group
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 06:50:05 GMT
Organization: talk.bizarre wannabees

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
: 
:  I have posted a few articles in sci.chem that related in some way to
: psychopharmacology and got stern responses and suggestions that I "ask the
: DEA". I was wondering if there are many organic chemists that read this
: group frequently enough that it would be all right to discuss in great
: detail the chemistry of psychoactives. I know Lamont and Jeremy and Petrus
: and some others are fairly knowledgeable on parts of the subject, but a
: chemist who's been in the field for a fairly long time and with a robust
: knowledge would be ideal. Actually even on sci.chem there are very few
: "real" chemists... *sigh*
  I can't claim more than an interested layman's knowledge of chemistry,
but I would like to see more of that sort of discussion here.  Even though
I'll probably never have lab skills, I'd like to know more details on the
reactions involved in syntheses, and _especially_ if anyone can post more 
details or references on the metabolism of psychoactives.  What really
interests me are the whys and wherefores of certain compounds' magical 
effects on the brain and the mind.
  I have read some really interesting stuff on the metabolism of various 
classes of psychoactives, described in terms of their theorized effects
on the different systems and feedback loops within the brain.  However, 
it's all unpublished material, and I don't think the author would want
me to post it until it has been published as research papers.  (I'm not
sure he wants it appearing in this forum at all, which is why I'm not 
giving his name.)
  -- Clifton
-- 
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Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:56:27 -0400 
From: "Charles D. Nichols" <cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TIHKAL?-NOT!

>>In article <1992Sep7.200102.6807@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A
>> Heinonen) writes:
>>>   Has the book come out yet? If it has, where could it be ordered from?
>>>If not, does anyone have any idea when it might?
> 
>> It's not out yet. It should be soon. How soon is soon I don't know...
> 
>Have I missed something here?  Does Shulgin have a new one on the rails?
>_Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved_, perhaps?


This sounds pretty bogus to me.  The author of PIHKAL is not, to my
knowledge, writing a book on tryptamines. So lets put an end to this
rumour.

CDN


__________________________________________________________
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Carnegie-Mellon University Biology                   
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Hieronymous devices????Where??
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:20:18 GMT

   Hieronymous devices? did I read Hieronymous devices? I thought the gov't
(FDA) squelched those devices. I lost touch with them years ago. Have they
progressed any? As for orgone W. Reich was quite some character, nice place
they had up there in Rangley Maine.
                               
                               Kris

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: rpascazi@csws14.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert R Pascazio)
Subject: Re: Survey for DMAE
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:05:00 GMT

In article <m0mURp2-000MT5C@ddsw1.mcs.com> ap.2363@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>	I'd like to see what people 'round here have done with DMAE and what
>the results have been..
>

   Could you send me more information on DMAE. I haven't heard of that
one yet.

                               -Rob-

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From: dwood@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: DMAE availability...
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:36:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


I was wondering if I could get some help from somebody out there...
I have recently restarted taking "smart" drugs, and have found that I am
unable to get DMAE in this area(Kansas City/Lawrence).  I was wondering if
there is somebody out there that could direct me to the nearest store that
carries it, and/or give me the address of somebody who will ship it to me.

Thanks in advance...
D'on

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: use this group dammit!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:43:28 GMT



 I am continually dismayed by the paltry posts on this group. While I
admit nootropics are worthy of discussion and i'm CERTAINLY glad there is
NO POLITICS here... I WANT TO SEE MORE PSYCHOPHARMACOLOGY. In every
aspect. Chemical, pharmacological. I'm sure we all agree with the value in
keeping this group free from politics and this has been very well
maintained, although perhaps this is mostly due to the paucity of posting
here.
 What I'm saying is this: I am going to post things that I have read about
recently in the realm of psychopharmacology, whether it be in the realm of
psychedelics or antinociceptives (there are some weird ones out there...).
Lately I have been reading about PCP analogues and piperazine-based
serotonergics. This way, I hope to spawn threads concerning specific
topics that I'm interested in. In short, I hope to spring this group to
life. OIt really has lots of potential and I really think we should take
advantage of it.

 (Good grief! Does this sound like some sort of deramnnged pep-talk?)

St. Anthony

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From: goldberg@iastate.edu (Adam Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Ornithine
Originator: goldberg@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:50:43 GMT

In <tphillip.1@research.rgsps.ukans.edu> tphillip@research.rgsps.ukans.edu (TODD PHILLIP) writes:

>Just A few Things on the ornithine post a few messagea ago please do not 
>reply to the address that sent the message, 

>reply to Tphillip@research.rgsps.ukans.edu

>if you want to be sent information we I get it

>FAQ

>l-ornithine is perfectly legal, you can purchase it at any health food 
>store, and pay high prices I am just wanted to get some for myself and a 
>friend and need to keep the price down.  A reference on it is Durk Pearson/
>Shaw book Life extension.  Look in there for information on GH releasers or 
>Ill send you some information.


>People, who are repling need to know that a little amout such as 100g will 
>not last but a few weeks, a recommened dosage is around 5g a day.

I sent mail to that address, but got no response.
goldberg@iastate.edu

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From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: cesium
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:43:04 GMT
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


In a previous article, android@wpi.WPI.EDU (Andrew J. Petrarca) says:

>I know this is probably on the FAQ, but what's cesium's atomic number?
>
Z of cesium = 55.
-Carl
From: KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Wanted: Cesium GIF's
Summary: Mares eat oats
Keywords: Cesium, ceaium, CESIUM and cESIUM
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:33:35 GMT
Reply-To: COWAN@ANL.GOV
Organization: BROOKHAVEN NATIONAL LABORATORY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

A friend told me that there were some great GIF files posted on
alt.binary.pictures.cesium but our node doesn't carry that group.

Could somebody cross-post on alt.cesium? PLEASE!!


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From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Elements
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:36:37 GMT

And how many elements *have* they found?  I remember when 104 was new,
but I haven't heard anything since then.

Dale

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Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:42:58 GMT

In article <18lr53INN4p4@network.ucsd.edu> spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>Call me an old mossback but I'll stick with good old oxygen.  Good old
>friendly O2...

I prefer praseodymium.  I mean, _how_many_ elements have 6 syllables?
--
"Oh, you know it in the original Gaelic."

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Newsgroups: alt.cesium