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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Kaya nin neden sorulara cevap vermekten kactigina dair..
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:47:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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Kaya'nin neden sorulara cevap vermeden daldan dala bir bildircin misali
kondugunu simdi anladim, kendisi bizim dediklerimizi duymuyor.

Baksaniza

'Kafirlerin hali, BAGIRIP CAGIRMAK DISINDA BiRSEY DUYMAYAN, yine de
haykiran kimsenin (Cobanin) haline benziyor. Onlar sagirlar, dilsizler
ve korlerdir. Onun icin AKLETMEZLER'

Bakara 171


Demekki insanda duyumlarda eksiklik oluyorsa akil birseye yaramiyor,
akletme mekanizmasina giren input sayisi yetersiz kaliyor. Bu duyumlar
baska ayet-i kerimelerde gozonune alindiginda da goruluyor ki, insanin
sadece fiziksel olarak kor ya da sagir olmasi degil, kalbindeki sagirlik
ve korluktur.

Yanliz burada bir problem var, Mr.Kaya bu ayetten gorme ve isitme
engellilerin AKLEDEMEYECEGI seklinde bir anlam cikarirsa ne olacak?

Ee artik o da onun problemi!

Kalin saglicakla
Beytullah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: Futbol
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:12:08 GMT

Net'ten ogrendigime gore Hollanda milli futbol takimina 3 - 1 yenilmisiz.
Artik kendimizi kandirmayi birakalim da ileride neler yapilabilir onlara
bir goz atalim.
Son 40 yildir ne Dunya ne de Avrupa finallerine katilamamis bir ulkenin
oyuncularina transfer aylarinda milyarlar verilemez. Bu oyuncu avrupa gol
krali olsun olmasin farketmez. Bu tip oyuncular boyle para karsiligi
alip sonra kendilerini birsey zannedip birde Ingiltere deplasmani maci
oncesi "Ingiltere bizden korksun" diye beyanatta bulunup Ingilizleri
gulduruyorlar.
Kamerun gibi bir ulkeyi ele alalim. Daha 20-30 yillik bir gecmisi olan
ulke ve futbolu 10-20 yillik. Ama bu takim Italya'yi yenmis ve arjantin'le
gollu berebere kalmis bir takim. Neden? Cunki planlarini uzun vadeli 
yaptilar. Futbolculari ise milyoner degil fakat takim ruhu olan insanlar.
Muhim olan sonuc;bireysel sohret degil.
Akla 70'li yillarin Trabzonspor'u geliyor degil mi? 50.000 - 60000
lira dan fazla almayan, sicak suyu olmayan, ayni lokanta da(2.sinif)
yemek yiyen o takim, uc buyukleri yillarca dize getirdi. Turk futboluna
Senol gibi bir kaleci verdiler. Kupa toplama da Avrupanin 1 numarali 
takimi oldular. Zaten, care de burada. Takim oyunu ve takim disiplini
olmayinca mac kazanmak zor oluyor. Izlanda gibi futbol'un 2. bir
is oldugu bir kac balikci bize 4-5 gol atabiliyor da, 70 yillik
profesyonel tarihi olan Turk futbolu San Marino'yu son dakika
golleri ile yenebiliyor.
Cozum su: TRABZONUN ESKI HIRSLILGI + BESIKTASIN SON YILLARDA KI TEKNIGI +
GALATASARAY'IN AVRUPA KUPALARINDA OZ GUVENIRLIGI =BASARI.

Kafanizi yordum kusura bakmayin.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tanju@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (tanju.cataltepe)
Subject: Re: MR KAYA-WOMEN AND ISLAM
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.164359.28151@news.columbia.edu> da26@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Deniz  Akkus) writes:
>[...]
>in 20th century, one no longer uses corporal punishment for the above.
>How does Islam fit into this picture?  In my opinion, Islam would not
>lose any of its universal message as a religion if the above provision
>did not exist.  I could claim that it would actually gain.  
>
>I will be interested in discussing how a reform might be carried out in
>Islam, or if such a thing is at all possible within the confines of
>Islam.  
>
>regards,
>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
>

Is there a new revelation about the changes(!) in the hereafter and the 
purpose of the creation? So that we may need reform to hope for success 
and for the pleasure of Allah both in this world and in the next?
You may want to keep things (including "time") in proper perspective
when you talk about 7th century versus 20th century.

Deniz, could you tell me --if you've read the Qur'an-- what the phrase
"it [Islam] would actually gain" mean in the context of Qur'an?
Or, if you want another Book that is more to your liking, that is
a matter which would not concern Muslims; try taking it up with a Higher
Authority :-)

-Tanju
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Re: MR KAYA-WOMEN AND ISLAM
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:22:35 GMT



I agree with Deniz in this one.  Muslims are very sentimental people.  When
they believe in something that is it.  They tend to become tuned only to that
frequency, a moderation is good when one tries to make people understand the
requirements of Islam.   For example, it is very well known that Hijab is
prescribed in the Quran, yet very little people know that a dress code is 
set for both men and women. 
Check it, the ayat that talks about Hijab in Surah Nur.

Yes, so many things are part of Islam, but what if we have millions
of women with Hijab who do not know how to raise a Muslim progeny and build up
a strong Muslim society!???
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From: tyanik@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Telat Yanik)
Subject: Re: YETEEEEEERRRRRRR!
Keywords: yeter,yeter,vallahi yeter,lutfen
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:21:57 GMT

In article <BvCjS8.OZY@mote.ksu.ksu.edu> memo@mote.ksu.ksu.edu writes:
>
>Yahu yeter! Su "ona" muhabbeti bir bitse de kurtulsak.
>basbayagi, muhammed'in sadaka aldigi belli oluyor. Daha ne ustune
>variyorsunuz ? sadakalarin anlatildigi oteki ayetlerdede gorunuyor.
>Anlamadigim sey, su ganimet isinin ne oldugu? Kaya'nin ayetleri
>degistirdigini ganimet isinde de "kanitlasalar" vallahi bir sey demeyecegim.
>
>Mehmet

 SIZ OKUMA YAZMA BILMIYORMUSUNUZ YOKSA OKUDUGUNUZU ANLAMIYORMUSUNUZ.
BAK HEMSERIM BEN SEYISIM IHTIYACIN VARSA SANADA BIRAZ BAKAYIM.
ZATEN BENIM CIFTLIGE KAYAYLA MASTRO AZ GELDI.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: NAMI DIGER KARA SES, CEMALETTIN KAPLAN'DAN SECMELER
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:24:42 GMT


ISLAMCILARDAN SECMELER -5-
--------------------------------

 Cemalettin Kaplan, (nam-i diger kara ses):

 Hurriyet, 24/11/1991 :
   ``Sentezci ve kavmiyetci metodu, seriatla bagdastirmak mumkun degildir.
     Islam'da partiyi destekleme yoktur ve gunahtir. Particilik taviz 
     vermektir. Particilikte yemin, seytani bir yemindir. Partiler, 
     Islam'la uyusmasi mumkun olmayan demokrasinin, vazgecilmez 
     unsurudur.''

 Yorunge, Yil:1, No: 25, s 22-26
   ``Biz seriat ehliyiz''

   ``Allah diyor ki seriati anlat.''

   ``Seriat oyle bir nizam ki hic eksigi, gedigi, noksani yok elhamdulillah. 
     Bunu, insanimiza, dunyamizin insanina tanitmaktir bizim gorevimiz.
     Olcu muslumanlarin bulunmasi degil, seriatin hakim olmasidir. Darul
     Harp, darul Islam diye kavramlar gecer Islam hukukunda.''


  Islam bir inanc dininden ote bir ideolojidir. Islami dusunceye gore,
  Allah uyulmasi gerekeni bize bildirmis, Kuran'da en acik bir sekilde
  gostermistir. Dunya'da tek mukemmel ideoloji vardir, o da mukemmel
  olan Allah'in insanlara hediye ettigi Islamdir. Aslinda Islami
  inceledigimizde, Muhammed'in mukemmel olmaktan uzak bir kisiligi
  oldugunu gorebilirsiniz. Kuran, Muhammed'in karsilastigi olaylara
  baskasinin agzindan cozum getirmeye calismasinin ve onun iktidar
  mucadelesinin, hirsinin, inatciliginin bir urunudur. Kuran'da soylenen
  her soz, onun O ANDA kendisinin guclenmesi icin gerekli ortami saglamaya
  calismasi sirasinda ortaya konmustur ve gunumuze aktarilmasi, insanlari 
  1400 yil onceki duruma itecektir ki Islamci hareketin en temel dusuncesi
  ve amaci budur.

  Islam particiligi ve demokrasiyi reddeder. Cunku en dogru fikri, Allah
  Kuran vasitasiyla zaten soylemistir. Insanlarin, dogruya ve iyiye
  ulasma cabalari olan partiler, bu baglamda Islam'da bulunamaz. Cok
  sesliligin olmadigi ortamlarda insanlar tek bir ideolojiyle buyurler.
  Baska ideolojilerden yararlanma, diger insanlarin dusuncelerinden
  etkilenme yoktur. Bu yuzden Islam, dogmatik temelinin getirdigi 
  felsefeden de yardim alarak, gelismeye kapalidir ve sabittir. Her turlu
  ideolojiyi reddeder.

 saygilarimla
 ------------
 kaya
From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: M.. CANA DOKTOR TAVSIYESI
Date: 12 Dec 1992 16:26:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Mr maostro!!! Can, 
Seni pek kimse nette yazilarindan dolayi muhatap almiyor diye kusura bakmi-
yosun dur insallah. mahalle kahvesi edebiyati yapiyorsun. Herhalde bu nette
pek kahvehane kulturune sahip fazla adam yok. Onun Icin SEN TURIST OLUYORSUN.

Bak simdi san bir tavsiyede bulunayim, Bugunlerde havalar soguk. Evine git
sicak bir corba ic, yaninda birsey yeme midene dokunabilir, biliyorsun
midene dokunursa, ne olacagini. Ondan sonra sicak bir cay ic, icerkende
kafani soyle bir salla belki paslanan vidalar acilirda, akil mekanizmasi
islemeye baslar.

Buda care etmedi. Iste o zman ikinci tedbire gecegegiz. Kendi odana git
yatmadan once bir anlik gozlerini kapa, KAFANI	 duvara vurmay devam et
tahdaki ses genelde senin kafandan cikan sesele bir olacagi icin, ses 
degisinceye kadar vur. Belki calisir.  Gayret bizden takdir Allah dan.

Bu da cozum olmazsa Dr Remzi Cirit amcana bir telefon et daha sirada
cok tedavi yontemleri var ben sana ara sira yazarim. Olur mu ?

Take care ?

Adresim
Dr Remzi Cirit
ruh ve Sinir hastalari Uzmani
Colorado

 SANA DA BIR DRAGON  resmi gondereyim. Cicege yazik onu gondermiyorum.
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.german
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Further humiliating a pathological liar residing at "CONVEX.COM".
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:14:09 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <visser.724534067@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	If you wish to stand in for Argic the coward and answer questions

Look who is talking? The scum of the earth and a self-admitted genocide
apologist. Altogether 30,000 Nazi Armenians served in various units in 
the German Wehrmacht, according to Ara J. Berkian. 14,000 in predominantly 
Armenian army units, 6,000 in German army units, 8,000 in various working 
units and 2,000 in the Waffen-SS.[1]

A number of these Nazi Armenians were volunteers from France, Greece, 
Rumania and Bulgaria who had chosen to commit themselves to the German 
war effort. Derounian says that

"Dashnag Armenians from France bore the mark 'Legion Armenienne.'"[2]

That Nazi Armenians like Dro 'the Butcher' and Nezhdeh sided with the 
Germans probably had an impact on the decision of Armenians who 
overwhelmingly opted for armed service.

[1] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 118/119.     
[2] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), in 'The Armenian 
    Displaced Persons,' ibid., p. 19.

In fall 1942, the Armenian infantry battalions 808 and 809 were formed,
to be followed by battalions 810, 812 and 813 in spring 1943. In the 
second half of 1943 infantry battalions 814, 815 and 816 were created.
These battalions together with other indigenous Caucasian units were
attached to the infantry division 162. Also attached to ID 162 were
the field battalions II/9, I/125 and I/198 which were formed between
May 1942 and May 1943. Altogether twelve Armenian battalions served the
Nazi army, if battalion II/73, which was not employed at any time, is to be
included.[1] Most battalions were commanded by Nazi Armenian officers.
Armenians wore German uniforms with an armband in the Dashnag colours 
red-blue-orange and the inscription 'Armenien.'

[1] Joachim Hoffmann, 'Dies Ostlegionen 1941-1943, Turkotataren, 
    Kaukasier und Wolgafinned im deutschen Heer,' (Verlag Rombach
    Freiburg 1976), p. 172.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: POLEMIK VE ISLAMCILAR (KAYA'YA)
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:35:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


Haydi netin huzurunda muslumanlardan ozur dile de yeni verdigin ayet-i
kerimelerle ilgili yazilarina cevap verelim. Burada sabirsizlanip
duruyorum. 

Beytullah
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "...sole object is to pursue a policy of extermination in the country."
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 19:03:01 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BzJJ34.GBC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

> Hm, this should be one of the morals for the neo-Turks of the 2,000.

Disturbed? I'll give you a small map, in case you get lost.

  'Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Inedited
  Documents and Evidence of English and French Officers,' Published by
  The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne, Lausanne,
  Imprimerie Petter, Giesser & Held, Caroline, 5 (1919).

pages 94-95:

  The offences committed by the occupying Hellenic forces in the
  region of Aidin and its neighbourhood constitute crimes of an atrocity
  inconceivable and without parallel in history. Villages and towns of
  considerable importance, immense riches and thousands of innocent
  human beings have been given without mercy as a prey to the flames.
  The ravages of this murderous hand which continues to perpetrate
  horrible crimes are acquiring a greater extension, whose fatal
  consequences threaten public safety and the harmony existing between
  the different elements of the country. We, who more than six hundred
  years lived happily under the shield of the Ottoman Empire, cannot
  tolerate the continuance of such criminal acts. While the Hellenes
  are spreading horror by their crimes quite close to us, we are
  enjoying the benefits and the high protection and aid of the Ottoman
  Government and not one of us has been object of the slightest attack.

  It is with horror and indignation that we reprove the misdeeds of this
  Hellenic forces of occupation, whose sole object is to pursue a policy
  of extermination in the country.

  In the name of humanity and of public safety we appeal to the high
  benevolence of the Great Powers begging them to take into serious
  consideration, so as to put a stop [to] it as soon as possible, this
  horrible carnage.

            Locum tenens of the Metropolitan and President of the
                            Greek Community of Denizli

                            The Prelate, HRISSOSTOMOS


            Locum tenens of the Metropolitan of the Armenian Community

                            The Prelate, BABKEN


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: BIYIK MUHABBETi
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:28:15 GMT

   Efendim, bIyIk deyip gecmeyin. Biyigin hic te bilmedigimiz ve suuraltinda
yatan dinamik faktorleri vardir. Hatta, Deniz Hanim, sizin bugun burada 
olmaniz bile bir biyik sayesinde olmus olabilir. Simdi, " Hoppalaaaaa. Laf
dedin bal kabagi. Acikla " demenize vakit birakmadan hemen aciklayayim.
Herhalde hepiniz Ataturk'un 1905 yilinda Harb Akademisinden mezuniyet
fotografini gormussunuzdur. Hani biyiklari Yandan burulmus olan.
Efendim, O gunlerde kadin-erkek iliskileri bugunun Istanbul'unda oldugu
gibi "Number 1'a" vak-vak danslari ve moonwalk yapilarak baslatilmiyordu.
O gunlerde, buyuk davetiyelerde, subay ve diger yuksek tabaka kesimi,
uzaktan hoslarina giden bir kadini gorunce , ilgilerini cezbetmek ve hislerini
o kadina belli edebilmek icin biyiklarini kadina inegin trene baktigi gibi
bakip sonra da biyiklarini burmaya baslarlardi. Peki ama her biyigini
buran muradina erebiliyormuydu. Nerde o gunler. Nasil uzerine $1000'lik
takim elbise giymekle bu isler olmuyorsa, o gunlerde de sadece biyik burmak
kafi gelmiyordu. Mesela, biyigin aheste aheste burulmasi ve burulurken
biyiktan duman cikmamasi icin ozellikle Bagdattan getirilen halis
Bagdat badem yagi kullanilmasi gerekiyordu. Sonra, burma bie sol elle
birde 1-2 dakika sonra sag elle yapiliyordu. Tum bunlar eklenince
gur, yagli ve iyi burulmus bir biyik karsisinda hanimlarin kalbi
agizda eriyen madlen cikolatasi gibi eriyordu.
Velhasilikerem, Deniz hanim, iste bu tur bir rituel buyuk-buyukbabanizin
buyuk-buyukannenizle tanismasina sebep olmus ve sonuc olarak sizde
dunyaya gelmis bulunabilirsiniz. Hosgeldiniz safa getirdiniz.
Eger bu soylediklerime inanmiyorsaniz, 1905 yilinda Harbiye Akademisinden
From: co725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (A. Fatih Basar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: 100 kisilik liste ve dusundurdukleri...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:49:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Merhabalar,...

Mehmet Deniz bey, bir mesajinizda soyle demissiniz:
<Bu siralama OSS puanlarina gore mi yapilmis acaba?
<Saka bir yana, boyle "siralamalara" pek itibar etmemenizi oneririm.
<Yukaridakidaki kisilerin hepsinin cok etkin ve onemli oldugu bir gercek,
<ancak bu tur bir siralamaya kalkismak tamamiyle oznel. Ayrica eminim
<atladiginiz satirlardan birinde Adolf Hitler de yer aliyordur,
<yani bir kisinin tarihte etkin olmasi ile o kisinin ahlaki degerleri
<arasinda dogrudan bir iliski olmasi gerekmeyebilir.

Malum listenin inananlar icin pek birsey ifade etmedigi ve itibar
etmege degmedigi bir gercek.

Ancak diger yandan, boylesine etkin bir sahsiyeti yakindan tanimak,
dediklerini, yaptiklarini butunluk icinde anlamaya calismak gerek,
eger "yasam sorgulamasi" yapma yolunda isek. Ancak gozumuzu kapatarak,
yada kana bulanmis salyali gozluk ile degil, gokkusagi gibi pariltili
kendi oz vicdanimizin gozuyle bakabilmeliyiz.

<Tabii burasinin bir tartisma zemininden cok bir propaganda zemini oldugunu
<dusunursek herkesin kendi tezini destekler gorunen her turlu bilgiyi
<buraya postalamasinda da hicbir gariplik yok. (bu sozlerim tabii ki Kaya
<Guralp Bey, ve hatta benim icin de gecerli.)

Burasinin anlami kisilere gore degisir. Kimi tarih yada politik
konularinda tartisir, kimi vatan ozlemini buraya gecilen haberler ile
giderir, kimi de arada cikip her nedense salyali hakaret yazilari
yazar, kimi de hislerini, kimisi de, benim gibi, butun benligi ile
inandiklari gercekleri paylasmak isterler.

Propaganda ancak, kestirme yolu tercih eden, olaylarin ve konularin
arkasini gormeye guc getiremeyen insanlari etkisi altina alabilir.
Net okuyucularinin ise boylesine kestirmeye kacacagini sanmiyorum.
Varsin bunu propaganda ile ugrasanlar dusunsun.

<Herkese iyi gunler,
<Deniz Ertas

iyi gunler,

Fatih
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From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: A R G I C : please help me shut it up!
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:43:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi there!

The subject of the message is in my killfile for a long time, but
some netters, especially college students, do not have the privileges
to create kill scripts, and are forced to read the insane postings
of  that infamous wimp-controlled artificial stupidity system.
I will never dare claim that Mudlu (or whatever that bull***t
mailing robot is called) is part of the Turkish culture - it
is not a part of ANY culture, but I still hope you will forgive 
me for this inappropriate posting, because my friends are really
sick of the crap ARGIQ spreads through several netmail areas.

What I want to know if anybody knows whether the foul address
s_e_r_a_@_z_u_m_a_ corresponds to anything in physical reality,
so that it would be possible for somebody to visit the place and
low-level format the hard drive of whatever computer monstrosity
dwells there. 

Suffer not a wimp to write on the net!

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Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
From: hashem@netcom.com (Basil Hashem)
Subject: Islamic Computing Resource Guide (Rel 2.0) - Intro
Organization: Netcom
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 10:00:23 GMT

Assalamu Alaikum,

Well, it's been almost 6 months since I've updated the Islamic Computing
Resource Guide. Too long I suppose..... but here it is. Release 2.0.

What is it?
The Islamic Computing Resource Guide is a listing of software and network
resources such as electronic mailing lists, forums, and remote sites (on the
Internet and otherwise) related to Islamic discussion.

In the software section are listed Quran and Hadith database programs,
educational programs and games, prayer calculation programs and other
software.

In the network resources section are listed file archive sites with Islamic-
related information as well as forums and discussion groups.

What Next?
There will be two additional messages following this introductory message.
The first will be a Macintosh BinHex'ed file of a Microsoft Word 5.0 document
that has the guide in a pretty format - nice cover page, multiple columns, etc.
You will need to decode the binhex format and then you can use the file
normally. The document is 13 pages when printed out.

The next message contains a text version of the Guide. Obviously, this format
lacks the nice formatting features, but for those without a Macintosh, this
will have to do. It is approximately 20 pages long.

If you have any questions or fail to receive a copy, please send me e-mail
and I will make sure you get forwarded a copy.

Salam,

-Basil
hashem@netcom.com
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"I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous"
Basil Hashem
basil@netcom.com
KPMG Peat Marwick