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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for CFs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 05:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.033845.455@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.162854.2640@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>If Thrman is a better base-stealer, he has a bizarre way of showing it; he's
>>below .500 (5 for 11), whereas McRae is 10 for 14. As for baserunning, Mcrae
>>was one of the best last year; he went 1st ot 3rd on 47% of outfield singles
>>last year (league average wsa 35%) and scored from 2nd on 91% (league average
>>was 73%). Thurman's average this year is right about where his career average 
>>is, while McRae's is below.
>
>As I said in the part you deleted, Thurman has a demonstrated track record
>of being a superior base stealer.  He had 335 steals in the minors in 8 full
>or partial seasons.  McRae had 151 in 6 full or partial seasons.  Thurman
>was better last year (15/20) than McRae (20/31).  This year, Thurman has
>been thrust into several obvious run situations.  It's tough to steal when
>you can't pick your spots.

That's right.  These are the two's career stolen base records, entering
this season:

Majors:
Thurman:	44 SB, 9 CS	83.0%
McRae:		24 SB, 14 CS	63.2%

AAA:
Thurman:	139 SB, 38 CS	78.5%
McRae:		none (jumped from AA to majors)

AA:
Thurman:	53 SB, 18 CS	74.7%
McRae:		57 SB, 23 CS	71.3%

A:
Thurman:	114 SB, 35 CS	76.5%
McRae:		61 SB, 22 CS	73.5%

Rookie:
Thurman:	none
McRae:		27 SB, 12 CS	69.2%

>>Koflofski has been at least as bad in the minors as McRae. With less power.
>
>Well, you're pretty much right here.  Koslofski kicked around the low minors
>for years without distinguishing himself.  The last two seasons he has been
>outstanding, but often this is just a player peaking at a high minor league
>level, and not really being good enough to play in the bigs.  Still, I have
>been able to see him play, and I like him.  When you're 16 games out, I
>don't see any reason to stick with non-performers and not give guys like
>Koslofski a shot.  What do they have to lose?

And to add fuel to the fire, here are Koslofski's and McRae's AA stats.
(Again, McRae didn't ever play in AAA, but Koslofski did go .298/.396/.436 in
1/3 of a season (113 PA))

McRae:		.236/.299/.346
Koslofski:	.262/.350/.372

Granted, Koslofski is a lot older, but still...

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jeff King must Die
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:49:00 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Jul23.053611.18522@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <3576@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>>I can't stand it.  With the score tied in the 8th inning, runners on first
>>and third, and two outs, the Astros just intentionally walked Barry Bonds
>>(who had homered earlier in the game) to pitch to Jeff King.  King flied out
>>to left to end the inning.  When was the last time you saw someone walked
>>intentionally to load the bases with first base already occupied?  

>      Will Clark has walked intentionally a lot of times with runner on 1st,
>even when Kevin Mitchell was still around.

The Expos, last year, walked McGriff something like 6 times in a series,
including twice with the bases empty, and once with first and third.
I think Runnells was the culprit.

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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Well paid relievers
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:46:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.045747.15614@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> 
> 
> I suppose you all know that Eckersley signed a contract extension
> Sunday.  A $750,000 signing bonus, two years at $3,375,000, and an
> option year for the A's at $4 million (with a $300,000 buyout).
> 
> While Eckersley is arguably the best ever, he signed for a bit *less*
> than John Franco did in March.  Are we seeing salaries slip a bit,
> maybe?  Or is this merely a case of an older player preferring
> security to the risks of free agency?  (Loyalty may have played a part
> here, too.)

You are correct.  Loyalty played a big part here, which is refreshing to see
in this day and age.  Eckersley was quoted in the LA Times Sports on Tue July
21 as saying he was grateful to the A's for what they had done for his career.

> Cheers,
> -Valentine

Chris S.

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From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:28:03 GMT

In article <BrquMr.27J@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
|> 
|> I will say this once again because it seems that people don't understand.  I
|> think that statistics are very important to show a players ability but baseball
|> is a TEAM sport and there are 25 men on a team and a player with a good 
|> attitude and a player that works hard and enjoys playing makes the game more
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> fun for both himself, his teammates and the fans.   
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I agree that baseball is supposed to be fun.  I would even agree that I
enjoy watching players that enjoy playing more than watching those that
don't.  However, a lot of the discussion here attempts to evaluate players
with regard to winning.  No one is saying that you shouldn't watch and
enjoy baseball however you want to.  People do get upset when others
say, "So-and-so helps his team win because of his great attitude, while
this team would have won more games if it hadn't been for such-and-such's
bad clubhouse influence."  A relationship has been shown between certain
stats and winning.  I'd rather everyone enjoys his/her work environment,
but no relationship had been shown between players that are having fun and
winning.


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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Braves Fans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.202253.280@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu                   writes...
> 
>	Yes, we should commend the Braves for keeping Alejandro Pena (or, as
>it sounded to a friend of mine, 'jalepeno') around so that, since Acker and
>Lamp are no longer around, someone must give up the longball.
>	I am, of course, referring to the pitch he grooved to Eric Anthony the
>other night in the 11th inning (before you think this is an Astro's fan 
>indulging in one of the few cases when we get to gloat, I thought Anthony was
>going to whiff :-); I don't think Anthony will amount to much in Houston,
>and he shouldn't be protected in the expansion draft).
> 
>Brandon Cope

Brandon, I disagree. After all, we also have Bert "Bye, Bye" Blyleven (has 
major league record of 50 homers in one year) and Jeff "Gopher Ball (goes 'fer'
the fences) Reardon. Unfortunately we must wait until next year for the return 
of Tom "Downtown" Browning.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: End of regular season?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:17:29 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.103211.651@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
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>From: kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner)
>Subject: End of regular season?
>Originator: kirchner@hphalle1a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
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>When does the regular season end ? (Yes, I know - after last game; but the
>correct date would be very nice)
>When is the World Series this year?
>                                                Thanks in advance,
>                                                                   Robert	


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From: rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: PTP 4.0?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:14:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Last weeks USA Today BB Weekly had a fairly good review of
PTP4.0 and I have some questions of any owners...

1)  Is it really as good as the review says?

2)  Would running it on a COMPAQ portable with mono-CGA be
any problem? (I realize that it wouldn't do an entire league
in 90 minutes, but I'm looking just for an head-to-head/solitaire
game, not necessarily historical reconstructions.)

3) And finally, what's a good price?

Rob
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From: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL)
Subject: Re: Montreal Alou/Rojas
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:29:52 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-14923]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu

In article <1992Jul28.121817.3444@spcvxb.spc.edu>, surrey_d@spcvxb.spc.edu 
writes...
>I  am still trying to find out when  Moises
>Alou is coming off the disabled list and\
>who is Mel Rojas' father?

    Alou came off the DL yesterday and made a pinch-hit appearance 
in last night's game in St. Louis. The Expos sent Bill Landrum down
to AAA to make room for him.
    I don't know who Rojas' father is.

Bob
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 13:43:41 CDT
From: Howard Wachtel <U13054@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Shoot Harry
 <Brt4Lu.Gvp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Jul23.125606.3480@news.acns.nwu.edu>
 <BruGp1.H9L@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

{extensive discussion of Harry Caray's amusing mis-pronunciations}

   Well, in spite of Harry's decline, Steve Stone does an excellent
job as color analyst to at least partially make up for Harry.  I
think Harrelson and Paciorek are much worse, to say nothing of
Ed Farmer.  John Rooney is excellent on the White Sox radio broadcasts,
however.  It would be great to have Rooney and Stone working as a team.
________________________________________________________________
Howard K. Wachtel              University of Illinois at Chicago
U13054@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU        Phone (312) 975-7970
From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: EXTRA!  ACKER WAIVED BY SEATTLE MARINERS
Summary: and his left wrist may not be healthy to wave back...
Keywords: acker, release, waived, bye-bye, binaca blast, seattle, pennant?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:23:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Binaca Blast Deep Drive Research Institute

sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>For a good indication of how bad things are with the M's pitching
>staff, many fans (including some knowledgeable ones) are actually
>looking forward to Acker coming back.  No kidding.

We at the Binaca Blast Deep Drive Research Institute have the sad task
of informing you that the Seattle Mariners have waived RHP Jim Acker
for the purpose of giving him his uncoditional release.  The only good
thing about this is that the JACK-PAC now is in-line with the Cy Young
award in being named after a player who is no longer active.

We at the BB DD RI hope to bring you a special Acker retrospective in a
coming update, and would ask you and the Ackmeister's other devoted fans
to mail us your favorite fond moments.  Short remembrances, possibly
beginning with the simple, eloquent sentence, "I remember Jim Acker."

More details will be given as they become available.

jking
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Subject: Re: All-Nightmare Teams
Reply-To: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:11:48 GMT

In article <Brr5nt.6rB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>                 American League
>                   BA      SLG      OBA      AB    RC/27
> MCRAE,B     OF  .227     .314     .289     309     3.17
> CUYLER,M    OF  .238     .316     .271     282     3.03
> STEVENS,L   1B  .199     .340     .264     191     3.03
> GREENWELL,M OF  .233     .278     .307     180     3.00
> GAETTI,G    3B  .226     .316     .270     266     2.98
> RIVERA,L    SS  .230     .270     .313     222     2.96
> BROOKS,H   D"H" .213     .348     .245     230     2.93
> PENA,T       C  .238     .298     .271     235     2.86
> NEWMAN,A    2B  .212     .238     .296     151     2.41
> Totals          .225     .304     .273             2.89
> 
> I hope that when anyone gets ready to complain about the
> performance of someone from his or her favorite team, they'll
> stop and think about what they might be stuck with.  That is,
> unless you're a Cubs, Angels, or Red Sox fan, in which case
> you're already stuck pretty badly.:-)
> 

As far as the Angels go, they've finally noticed the obvious.  Hubie
Brooks hasn't played in ages (was he released, or is he on the DL??).
They made Polonia the DH (yeah! no more outfield!), and play Curtis
and Felix full-time in the outfield with Von Hayes.  Also, they
have been switching around Stevens and Gaetti at first, thus reducing
their non-producing batters to only one spot in the lineup.  In fact,
Gaetti has been swinging pretty well since the move to first.  (Gonzales
is at third, where he belongs).  

So, now the Angels have won 7 of 8, and hopefully will make a run to
the .500 mark, where they normally finish.  Usually its just the other
way around: they are in first place, then settle *downward*.  :-)


Daniel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for CFs
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:24:32 GMT

In article <9207231946.AA23187@sumac09.cray.com> jjd@TEAK.CRAY.COM (Jeff Drummond) writes:
>References: <1992Jul17.190453.27517@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1992Jul21.153228.1782@island.COM> <1992Jul21.223405.29801@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>
>>[Nelson's comments omitted]
>
>The 'Advantage' column didn't seem right to me, so I computed OBA*SLG and
>compared Puckett and Bonilla on that basis.  I also included this years
>numbers to date.
>
>		Bonilla			Puckett		OBA*SLG Advantage
>
>'86	.256/.352/.333/.117	.288/.330/.385/.127	Puckett (small)
                                .328/.366/.537/.197     Puckett (big)
>'87	.300/.351/.481/.169	.328/.366/.537/.197	Puckett (big)
                                .332/.367/.534/.196
>'88	.277/.366/.476/.174	.356/.375/.545/.204	Puckett (big)
>'89	.281/.358/.490/.175	.339/.379/.465/.176	Even
>'90	.280/.322/.518/.167	.298/.365/.446/.163	Even
>'91	.301/.391/.492/.192	.319/.352/.460/.162	Bonilla (big)
>'92	.264/.371/.434/.161	.318/.333/.530/.176	Puckett (small)
 '92    .261/.370/.433/.160     .336/.367/.532/.195     Puckett (big)
>
>Nelson's picture seemed to indicate Puckett in a steady decline and
>Bonilla steadily improving.  The inclusion of this years data seems
>to indicate not only a temporary stabilization for Puckett, but that
>Bonilla's 1992 numbers (to date) are more in line with his '87-'90
>numbers, and that his excellent 1991 season may have been a career year
>for him.
>
Corrected numbers for Puckett; 1987 got left out entirely and 1985-1986
were substituted for 1986-1987.  As Puckett added 25-30 to both BA and
HR between 1985 and 1986, this is significant.  I've also added the most
current 1992 numbers.  To be honest, I don't remember Puckett having an
OBP that low after a reasonable amount of the season.

Projecting second half performance from the first half is unreliable, but
Puckett's current BA and OBP are perfectly reasonable for his demonstrated
ability, and the difference between '89-'91 and '92 so far is that he is
hitting for his '86-'88 level of power.  Since I never quite understood
why he stopped hitting 25 or so HR a year, I don't understand why he
shouldn't keep it up this year, and perhaps next.  I find Puckett's
success so far much more reasonable than, say Chili Davis' success in the
last first half.

None of this is park-adjusted, of course, and Puckett plays in a strong
hitter's park while Bonilla has played in pitcher's parks.  Still, I'd
have to say that Puckett has been the better offensive player.

David Thornley
"When Bonilla hit a home run, the fans cheered him, and when he struck
out they booed him, and both actions were proper." - Niccolo Machiavelli
(now quoting from _Discourses_on_the_Book_)

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Rocket Roger, Enfant Terrible
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.143502.20443@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary) writes:
>How about Greg Maddux?  I don't have the stats right here, but I think
>he has a 2.21 ERA in about 140 IP with very impressive H/IP and W/IP.
>In *Wrigley Field* !

Yes, impressive, but he also doesn't have to face as many real hitters.
Clemens is putting up those numbers without the luxury of facing a pitcher
every so often to bail him out.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for SS'
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:59:05 GMT

In article <k_nm#!k.curve@netcom.com> curve@netcom.com (My Name is Your Fate) writes:
>
>How did Bordick get onto both the 2B and SS lists?  Well, ok, I think I
>know how (at least 1/3 games at that position), but he should be moved
>off of SS and weiss put in his place, no?

Weiss is on the list, as is Bordick.
>
>Also, Darren Lewis hasn't been in the majors since the last RC/27
>was published, never mind played center field.  Of course, this is the Giants
>we're talking about, so it might be tough to find another "regular"
>center fielder, but I'm interested in seeing how Snyder stacks up
>and this is as good a place as any to put him.

Since this is a calculation on season's cumulative stats, I feel that you got
to have started at least 1/3 of your team's games at the position to be
representative of the position.  This means that Snyder probably won't make it
onto any of the lists.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:03:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

In article <1992Jul25.030944.22822@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.222433.4535@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>>To me, that's the entire key.  All opinions are *not* equally valid.
>>You're perfectly entitled to hold the opinion that Luis Salazar is a more
>>valuable player than Barry Bonds, but if you want to have a prayer of
>>convincing anyone else of that, then you'd better bring some supporting
>>evidence along.  
>
>Forget about Salazar.  Who would you rather have: Bonds or Puckett?  Playing
>for an underdog Kirby has two rings. 

At this point I stopped reading.

Roger is talking about rings again. I don't need the aggravation.
-- 
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)        |  Why dost thou show, to the idle thoughts of
 Prove it! Show us your work!  |  Mediots, the things that are not!
    Huh? What's your point?    |                 _Jose Caesar_, V. iii. 67
From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1951 Baseball Encyclopedia
Keywords: 1951 Baseball Encyclopedia
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:49:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Jul21.174933.2330
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <BrpIEu.Bzv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins) writes:
>dgh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Doug Huffer) writes:
>
>>Can a team get six hits in an inning and not score a run?? (Remember, based
>>on 1951 rules, so scoring may have changed since then, I'm not sure.)   
>
>Sure.
>
>1.  Single.  Pickoff.  1 out.
>2.  Single.  Pickoff.  2 outs.
>3.  Single.
>4.  Single.
>5.  Single.  Bases now loaded.

 6. Outfield shallow, single, Fisk-esque runner on third is thrown out at
    the plate.

>6 hits, no runs.
>
>I wasn't alive in the 50's, so I must claim ignorance if the rules
>regarding appeal plays were different back then.  I don't imagine they
>were, though.
>
>     ----Jon Hamkins  (hamkins@uiuc.edu)

	Same here,

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