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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:50:39 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

One good "unbendable arm" demo is worth a thousand words.
What's his name at Scientific American did a somewhat poor Amateur Scientist
column.  Too many words.  A good demo by Ota-Sensei attracted hundreds
of students into judo and aikido classes.  If you know and understand
ki-projection, and really understand the applications, unbendable arm is
like the lever of simple machines, then you need to "develop" the wheel.

Just passing thru.

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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tai Chi Basic Movements (Was : Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..)
Date: 4 Oct 1992 03:26:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
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robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
  
  +Some of the comments in this thread make me wonder whether there are a bunch
  +of people out there practicing Chen style as some sort of funny looking Yang
  +style.  The principles and application of Chen style are essentially helical
  +(twining) and the principles and application of Yang style are essentially
  +cylindrical (reeling silk).  I just don't see how you can casually interpret
  +one as the other and vice versa.

Interesting in that the auxillary exercises for Chen style are called
"silk reeling" exercises, but point taken.

Terry "Maybe there're folks who are practicing Yang style as a funny
          kind of Chen style" Chan
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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Wing Chun lineage
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:07:14 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

Here is a conglomeration of two lineages I got from articles posted at
Hawkins' school.  The top part is "legendary" and comes from an article that
Hawkins did not write; the bottom part is "historical" and is from Hawkins'
article (both articles were in Inside Kung-Fu, probably from several years
ago).


from William Cheung:

beginning at Shaolin Temple with Five Elders, including White Tiger, White
Eyebrow, and three others; leading to Choy Li Fut, Hung Gar, and others
         |
         |
=====================
from Hawkins Cheung (corroborated by William Cheung, as far as I can tell; the
two lineages meet at Ng Mui):

Ng Mui
   |
Yim Wing Chun
        |
Leung Bok Chau (husband)
        |
Leung Lan Kwah
        |__________________________________________________
        |                                                  |
Wong Wah Bo (exchanged techniques with Leung)        Leung Yee Tei
     |                                                     |
Leung Jan                                               Leung Jan
                                                           |
        ________________________________________________________________
        |                        |                     |                |
Leung Bik (1st son)     Leung Chun (2nd son)     Chun Wah Shum        others
   |                                                ___|____   
   |                                               |        |
Yip Man                                     Ng Chung So   Yip Man
                                                 |
                                              Yip Man
                 ________________________________|__________________
                 |                 |        |                       |
a few disciples in Fushan, China   |  Yip Chun (1st son)   Yip Ching (2nd son)
                                   |
Hawkins Cheung, William Cheung, Bruce Lee, and others too numerous to mention
From: plc@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re- pull/sprain
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:03:50 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1aao81INNcrj@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh) writes: 
> In article <9209260317.AA14728@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> david_yeh@MACMAIL.MED.NYU.EDU ("David Yeh") writes:
> [...]
>>Ibuprofen belongs to a class of drugs called non-steroidal anti-inflammatory
>>drugs (NSAIDs), as does Asprin, Tylenol, etc.  
> 
> Are you sure?  I have been under the distinct impression that, unlike
> aspirin and ibuprufin, acetaminophin is not an anti-inflammatory.
> 
>>-DavID,
>>     Resident bookworm
> 
> Aaron Emigh
> aaron@iit.com
> aaron@cse.ucsc.edu

I believe that you're both correct. The pharmacology class that I took (quite
some time ago, alas!) classified acetaminophen as a NSAID, one of many.
Although its pain- and fever- reducing effects are comparable to those of
aspirin, it has little antiinflammatory ability.  Why is it then classified as
a NSAID? My guess is that it may act via the same mechanism as other members of
this class (cyclooxygenase inhibitors) and so was placed into this category.  I
would have to check my Goodman & Gilman to be certain though.

Disclaimer: I study in a pharmacology department but I'm no pharmacologist! 
Cell biology is more my field...

My apologies if this has gotten too far from the subject of the newgroup.

Pat Cleveland 
pc11@cornell.edu
Dept. of Pharmacology
Cornell University
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Kimiwasa?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  6 OCT 92 10:15:59    


In article <1992Oct5.161130.15402@ida.liu.se>, 
d88domze@odalix.ida.liu.se (Dominik Zemmler (dZ)) writes...
>hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes:
> 
>>that this art is one of the oldest forms, developed by monks in 300 A.C.
...
>>University of Iceland 
> 
>Well, you seem to be at the right place to get some info, because this art
>originates from Iceland. I have practised it in Sweden for a year, the
>teacher was from Iceland. 

There were monks in the 4th century in Iceland, devloping martial arts ?  
This is very interesting if true.

>The art itself included just about everything. It had elements from every
>known and unknown martial art, 

Sounds like the Icelandic version of some popular chains we have here
in the U.S..  

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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Kung Fu TV series
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:35:24 +0000



Frank Wong writes:
>I found this list on the net and though that other r.m-a'ers would enjoy it.
>There was an article in the March '92 issue of Black Belt about a new
>Kung Fu TV series, called Kung Fu : The Legend Continues , or something like
>that. David Carradine stars again, playing the great grandson of Kwai Chang
>Caine. The series is set in modern day times.  Shooting of the episodes
>started in June, and was by an independant production house, much like
>Star Trek The Next Generation. So it would not be dependant on the TV
>Networks for support.  Carradine was talking about syndication.
>Anyone out there know if the series got made and sold ?
>
>I haven't seen any info. out about it this fall. Maybe next year ?
>
>Frank


Good news! Although the series was really pretty naf it was what 
originally stimulated my interest in the martial arts when I was about
7 or 8 years old, I never missed it every saturday afternoon. You
could set your watch by when the action was i.e. just about 10 minutes
from the start and then five minutes before the end.


I'd be interested to know when it will be shown here in England. Anybody?


Bill Burgar.
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
Organization: just me
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:55:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Sep28.155043.1078@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>
<oops, deleted an attribution...>
>>Also, in Aikido, are there any techniques for kicks?  I have not come
>>across any in my limited studing.
>> 
>
>	Mostly the same ones used against hand attacks, with a few
>twists. 

Good one, Todd :-).

	David Pipes
robear@digex.com
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From: weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Steve Weigand)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.223936.3827@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu> hylton@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Core Dump ;)) writes:
>Fellow Martial Artists,

[stuff deleted]

>  I have been off and on with each instructor (and it's a very long story) and
>with stuff I made up on my own.  I made up my own with the intent to develop and teach
>my own TYPE of "kung fu".  I have been told that what I have "developed" so far
>ain't too shabby.  This came from a brown belt sparring partner I had a few years back.  I don't want to go into any further details unless I am asked otherwise.  Because the whole story IS very long.  Here is my problem now.
>
>  I just want to know what you think about my developing and teaching my own 
>"home grown" style.  I mean, afterall, somebody developed the style that you are
>currently taking and/or have mastered.  Will I be giving people bad self defense?
>
>Thanx in advance for your time,
>
>Michael Hylton
>Martial-Artist (Instructor/teacher) Wanna be
>E-Mail: hylton@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
>

 Not a bad idea at all. I think the martial arts community NEEDs people who
actually take the time to really *think* about the style they are learning.
In this case, you've actually taken the time to decide what goes into a 
good martial art. That's something instructors can't teach you.

 As for teaching it right now... I would have to say forget about it. Take
it from me, every new day brings new ideas. Your style will mature and 
be more effective as you mature as a martial artist. If you were to teach
people your style now, chances are 1 year from now, you won't be teaching
the "newbies" the same things you taught the 1 year students. 

 I think you should continue studying martial arts. Find someone to teach
you. Go through many different people if you have to, but keep at it. 
Mature some. When you become really good in one martial art, then maybe
you'll want to start teaching your style. And by that time, your style has
changed so much that you'll probably look back and ask yourself, "How could
I have possibly thought I could teach someone, when I didn't really know
much back then?" I'm not saying you don't know much; rather, I'm just going
by what I went through.

 In the mean time, could you explain your central (basic) concepts of your
style to the readers of rec.martial-arts? I'm sure we'd all love to hear
fresh new ideas (even if they might be old ideas repackaged).

Thanx,
 - Steve Weigand
 (weigand@ee.udel.edu)

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From: don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto)
Subject: Re: Katanas, help!
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.180324.2882@wkuvx1.bitnet> paschjc@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>I have tried and tried to find a book or manual on traditional 
>Japanese sword fighting.  I have failed miserably.  If anyone
>has any information about this subject, I would greatly a 
>appreciate it.  
>
try kiyota company
martial arts supplier  410-366-8275

i was just there..they have a large inventory of martial arts books
both in english and japanese.  i found two good sword books.  they
also have hard to fine "novel" type books, like 
mushashi and taiko (sp?).  guy's really nice to talk with too.

they also have lots of martial arts stuff, esp hard to find (in the 
usa) kendo equipment.

(tell him i sent you!!)
.



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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Hakamaphobia (was: Re: Taido/Hakamas)
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:08:08 GMT

In article <BvGEC9.7BD@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>
>Instructor looks over to where I'm sitting, hyperventilating with my
>eyes bugging out, and asks "Is your sword OK?"

	WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!...

	This reaction is very telling indeed.

	
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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:55:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.231445.23293@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville) writes:
>>_The_Iron_Circle_ can easily be termed one of the best movies I've ever seen,
>>and THE best martial arts film I've ever enjoyed.
>Actually, it's "Circle of Iron" and it's a fantastic film!  It was supposed
>to have Bruce Lee (he conceptualized it before his death) starring, but that
>Jeff somethingorother did okay.  

AIEE!  It always amazes me that people liked this movie.  I can see
that it might have been good with Lee, but with Carradine and his
blonde bohunk barbarian buddy, it is a real stinkeroo!  Danger,
Danger, Will Robinson!  Run Away!  Run Away!

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: HUNG GAR book
Date: 1 Oct 1992 21:04:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:

  +Does anyone know of any good books or videos on Hung Gar Kung Fu?

Jamal al-Bakkar (I think I got that right) who was mentioned here by
Doug Cohen just little while ago has a series of books that's available
from him direct.  I believe I saw an ad in one of the recent issues
of _Chinese Kungfu_.

Terry "Never seen it, standard and non-standard disclaimers apply" Chan
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: (what should I carry ?) 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:34:29 +0000


In article <1992Sep29.190637.24278@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU writes:

>
>>In article <717443327snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel> G. Backhurst") writes:
>>>A clear sign that airport security people don't read 18th and 19th
>>>century manuals on English Cane Fighting.  If they did they would
>
>While we're on the subject, how well do people think a pool cue would
>work in a sword or short staff set? (Yes, I know a sword has a sharp
>edge and point which a pool cue lacks, but similar techniques might
>still be effective...)
>
I understand that a pool cue is somewhat shorter that the traditional
Billard Cue.  The latter though is very effective as I know from
practical experience.

Nigel

>
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From: rjq@phys.ksu.edu (Rob Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: My first tournament - pointers?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:58:42 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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In <1992Sep23.122624.1252@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41) writes:
>Yeah, so as not to step out of the ring, footwork is everything (well a
>lot anyway).  Also cause if you take more than two steps back, you get
>real predictable.... read TARGET :-(

 I really hated having one minute rounds. By the time I started to see the
pattern in the guy I was sparring, the time was up. What are the times at
other tournaments? I was expecting three three minute rounds.
 

>If I read you right, you are not yet an advanced student, when you watch
>the higher belts fight be real sensitive to the use of a hook kick in
>an attack to the head. In the last year or two, I have seen a funny
>hook kick appearing in tournaments which is used as a counter attack and
>the knee stays bent.  It is used real close in and works pretty well.

 Yes, I've seen it in my class, but I don't recall seeing it at the tournament
at all. It would be very good kick for me to learn, but I can't seem to
get it.
--
|                                                                Rob Quinn |
|                                                         rjq@phys.ksu.edu |
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From: mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: info on bogua please
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:46:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: atomic.MHIRSCH.92Sep29114634
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Originator: news@nimaster

>>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:14:09 GMT, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) said:

Frank> In article <lc9druINNr88@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM writes:

>1. Does anyone have any experience with bogua? Could you
>   tell me a bit about it?

Frank> In general, it is very similar to taiji or hsing'i (what is the
Frank> "right" spelling of this, anyway?), but it is built around
Frank> circular motion.  The forms involve walking in a circle, facing
Frank> the center, and (usually) eight "palm changes". That is, a form
Frank> that eventually leaves the person walking the circle in the
Frank> opposite direction, after a number of techniques mixed with
Frank> various turns, spins, twists, etc...  (I'm afraid that isn't a
Frank> very good general description... I'd probably do better
Frank> answering specific quentions...)

Actually, it's a perfect description in the sense that someone seeing
ba gua for the first time would have no trouble recognizing it.  I
went to a MA demo this summer in Berkeley..  All kinds of arts were
represented: Aikido, Ju Jutsu, Karate, Kung Fu, Capoeira, Hsing Yi,
and Ba Gua come to mind, but I'm sure there were others.

I had never seen Ba Gua before, but I'd read (on this newsgroup) of it
and all I knew was what you said above.  The sound system was so bad
that I could understand less than half of what they said, and since
they weren't exactly going by the schedule you couldn't count on
reading who the next performer was.

The point is that I had no trouble at all recognizing Ba Gua from the
above description.  Ba Gua looked just like that, and nothing else
looked even close.  It was like noting I had ever seen or imagined a
martial art could be like.  It looked like fun, too.
--


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Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: Green Flash Associates, SA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:16:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

     A friend of mine has a problem with his Tai Chi practice, which I will
present to the net for solutions.  He has assiduously practiced for several
years, and has recently acquired a pair of Nike pump sport shoes.  Now each
time he fa jings, the pumps inflate suddenly and blow out.  Is this a known
manufacturing defect, or is he simply misdirecting his chi?  This problem is
rapidly becoming expensive.

     I know all you netters can provide lots of useful suggestions for my
friend...
	David Pipes
robear@digex.com
From: Kevin_Deane@mindlink.bc.ca (Kevin Deane)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: West Coast Invitational TKD tournament
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:26:27 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I was wondering if anyone out there attended the West Coast Invitational TKD
tournament in Vancouver, B.C. last weekend. I am curious what you thought
about the tournament.  Hope to hear from some people soon. Bye...

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From: miller@bluemoon.rn.com (John Miller)
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 11:03:44 EDT

jmw1@ra.msstate.edu (John Westerburg) writes:

>    If some kind soul out there could post or mail me the Korean 
> words (with pronunciation) for the numbers one through ten, I would
> be greatly appreciative.  Not to mention it being good karma.....
> 

1 = IL (ill)
2 = YI (ee as in week, no Y sound)
3 = SAM (sahm and in samba)
4 = SAH (sah as in sahm without the m)
5 = OH (long O sound)
6 = YOOK (oo as in kookie NOT cookie)
7 = CHIL (as as CH + IL from above)
8 = PAL (hard P, ahl as in all)
9 = KU (koo as in kookie)
10 = SHIP (sheep, but abrupt vowel sound)

All Korean words are very abrupt.  Try to avoid leaving vowels hang.  This 
might be tough for southerners (I'm from Keentuuucky myself).  For 
example, it's ILL as abruptly as possible.  You probably just hafta hear a 
Korean do it to really understand just HOW abrupt.

John Miller (my Korean wife was very explicit about the pronounciations)

 This is from
     miller@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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From: troyer@mitre.org (Tom Royer)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:37:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.081402.13675@pixel.kodak.com> lund@ssd.kodak.com 
(Nate Lund) writes:
> To get it back on charter, those same people in "our" government who
> wish to outlaw firearms also wish to outlaw martial art weapons, and
> in many cases have been extremely successful.  (Witness nunchaku, etc.)
> 

It shows that those who try to outlaw "martial art weapons" don't
really understand what they are.

These weapons are derived from peasant farming implements.  Regardless
of what is outlawed, a trained martial artist can still come up with a
weapon.  The double-ended key ring I carry is an example.  So is
a pool cue.  One can easily see the adaptation of the "Garden Weasle"
to self defense uses.

A martial artist trained in the use of one or more weapons can adapt
a great deal of at-hand material to defensive uses.

--
Tom Royer