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Subject: DT ever reach its potential?
From: <YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 16:25:35 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

As a big fan of Dream Team, I was totally frustrated by yesterday's
USA - Croatia game. Forget about the 33 point margin, it most definitely
was't something I had expected from a "Dream" team. The word was that
Croatia was going to kick some US ass, so I thought I'd finally see
the kind of basketball I had only dreamed about, and what did I see?
A so and so game relying only on the talent of the players who happend to
play well.

Here's my comment.

 - DT's free throw and perimeter shots were *absolutely miserable*.
   This was probably a consequence of playing too much golf.
 - The game was basically won by Jordan, Barkley, Pippen, Drexler,
   Malone.
 - Robinson and Ewing were a non-factor, offensively, altough this may be
   accounted for by the absence of Magic and Stockton. Mullin shot
   terribly and seemed lost. I suspect these guys were what Jordan
   was criticizing.
 - I don't like the fact that they let Bird play so many minutes just to
   honor him. It was clear that he couldn't play well for one reason or
   another, and he actually threw up a couple of embarrassing air balls
   and made unnecessary bad passes. At times, I felt he was actually
   subtracting from USA's play.
 - Jordan played OK, relative to his standard. He has a tendency to
   show off acrobatic stuff when he should simply be slamming it home
   with authority.
 - Pippen played his best game on this team, probably because of
   Kukoc controversy.
 - DT gets a comfortable point margin in the first half by fast breaks
   and transition games, and take it easy and lose intensity and concentration
   in the second. At times, they are even walking up-court and standing
   silly against the zone deffense.
 - Nice to see Drazen and Vranko play well.
 - Kukoc reminds me of a copy of Vlade Divac that can imitate Magic
   a little better than Vlade himself.
 - Finally, Chuck Daly should kick some Dream Team Butt. I don't want to
   see a Dream Team, I want to see a DREAM BASKETBALL!
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic Team 72
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:18:28 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Jul22.202616.3219@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>Which reminds me:  Why was the '72 team filled with so many
>stiffs?  More specifically, why didn't Bill Walton go?
>
>Was it still a political thing, like '68?
>
Yes it was, I believe Bill was protesting the US foreign policy specifically
the involvement in Vietnam. swen Nater took his place in the tryouts,
and although I always thought Swen made the team apparently he didn't
(courtesy of Matthew on r.s.b.c a few months back). Nater was Bill's
backup at UCLA. THose were the days, a guy like Nater on your bench
at UCLA.
>--Gidi




Russ Smith
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"I want a world where I can eat a sea otter without getting sick!"

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Olympic hoops referees
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:00:59 GMT

ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma) writes:
>The most refreshing thing to me about the Olympic basketball
>is the referees.  

Yep, I'd pay $150 just to watch the referees.  So refreshing.

>[...] bullshit.
>[...] bunch of jokers
>[...] pissing
>[...] bullshit
>[...] BS

Just as long as you keep your cool about it.

>NBA Champs == World Champs --- what a joke.

I know I'm laughing.


--Gidi




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From: shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar)
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:54:28 GMT

In article <Brsw5r.CwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>> [question about Hornacek going to the bench]
> [support for Hornacek coming off the bench]

Just wondering, have the Sixers given any thought to having a 3 guard lineup?
I'm not sure if Horny's big enough for small forward (does anybody know his
height?), but he seems to have semi-decent rebounding skills for a guard.
-- 
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From: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Subject: Olympic b-ball on TNT?
Reply-To: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:41:43 GMT

I just picked up a copy of TV guide, which has the entire comprehensive
olympics schedule.  There are going to be 2 games (first one, and then
the finals) on NBC.  Maybe more perhaps, but those are the "guaranteed"
ones that are to be covered.

I talked to this guy from CableVision Champaign/Urbana, and he claimed that
TNT also carries some Olympic coverage (tape delayed), in particular one
or two basketball games.  Hmmmmm... the TV guide didnt exactly back up
that claim at all.

Can anyone remember if TNT covered any hoops 4 years ago?
Or for that matter, did any newspapers post a TNT hoops schedule?

Scott


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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:11:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.150634.4936@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, wakankar@foxtrot.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar) writes:
>Thanksto everybody who replied to my request for NBA/ABA teams that moved from one city to another. 
>
>Here is a compiled list of ABA teams that moved from one city to another. I will post a list of NBAteams later.

Here are a few corrections, where needed:

>Anaheim Amigos  --> LA  Stars -->Utah Stars
>Houston  Mavericks -->Carolina Cougars -->Dallas Mavericks

Should be Houston Mavericks -> Carolina Cougars -> Spirits of St. Louis ->
Utah Rockies (who would have played starting in '76-'77, but the merger
killed that).  The Dallas Mavericks were an NBA expansion team in '80-'81.

>Denver Rockets --> Houston Rockets

Should be Denver Rockets -> Denver Nuggets.  The Houston Rockets moved from
San Diego for the '71-'72 season (and were in the NBA then, as now).

>Minnesota  Muskies --> Miami  Floridians
>New Jersey americans -->New York Nets
>Oakland Oaks -->Washington capitols --> Virginia squires
>
>Pittsburgh Pipers --> Minnesota Pipers --> Pittsburgh Condors

Actually should include Pittsburgh Pipers a *second* time after Minnesota
and before the Pittsburgh Condors.  (Why Gabe Rubin moved the team to
Minnesota because of poor attendance, and then moved it *back* to Pittsburgh
two years later, will always be one of pro basketball's little unsolved
mysteries.)

>New Orleans Bucs -->Memphis Sounds

Should be New Orleans Buccaneers -> Memphis Pros -> Memphis Tams -> Memphis
Sounds -> Baltimore Claws (who folded before the final ABA season started in
'75-'76).

>Dallas Chapparals --> San Anonio Spurs
>San Diego Conquistadores --> San Diego sails (This team didn't move but changed name)
>Carolina  Cougars -->Spirit of St. Louis
>
>Only two teams remained where they were all the time
>
>Indiana Pacers and    Kentucky colonels.

And Denver, as noted above.

>I would like to know if I should post NBA teams. If all this is in FAQ I would not post it.

Go for it -- but be a little more careful with it than with the ABA.  There
were quite a few moves and name-changes in the early NBA (and its
predecessor, the BAA)...

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 
    *"The opinions expressed by Patrick do not necessarily represent those
             of Rice staff, management, or any living person."*
From: jnimerof@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Jeff Nimeroff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Olympic jerk
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: jnimerof@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Jeff Nimeroff)

Hello All,
Although I think Charles has done his part, I think most of the Dream
Teamers have been jerks.

	Are we going to march or aren't we?

	Do we stay in the Olympic village and really show that we are here to
be part of the Olympic spirit, or stay in a posh hotel?

	Do we wear Reebok outfits when we win the gold medal when we are under
contract with Nike?

None of the DT members have made ME proud of being an American. 
Charles' attitude of "lets kick ass because we can" at least comes from
his heart.  He is concerned with proving that we are the best in
basketball.  He is not as outwardly motivated by money as his teamates
appear to be.

Jeffry Nimeroff
Computer Graphics Research Laboratory
Computer and Information Science
University of Pennsylvania
Ph.D. 1993
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:24:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.185820.21704@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>>   "No, I call the types of things YOU consider bogus as just home jobs ...."
>>
>"the types but not the things themselves...."
But the things are instances of that type. Whatever properties the type has
are also applicable to the instances. If the type is drug-related, all 
instances are drug-related. If the type are considered as home jobs by Meeks,
then so are the instances.

>  but even if you asked him if he thinks the 3-ptr was just a "home job",
>  he'll say it wasnt.  he thinks its a good call.  (!)  still you might
>  ask him that....
Hey, then he has contradictions in his beliefs, because he assigned certain
properties to the type, but then saying that the properties don't hold for
a particular instance of that type.

And besides, the way he re-define things, I think we'll eventually see
"home jobs == correct calls", as I predicted earlier.

>  frankly, i'm not sure what meeks is trying to argue absolutely.  i dont
>  think its a big deal that you can find fault in his language and assign
>  terms to those faults that raise completely different meanings from the
>  ones he stated.  these things are all just opinions.  how in the world
>  does it make sense to you to argue that his opinion is something different
>  than what he says it is??  how in the world....
Just to show that he contradicted himself. That's what the flame war
is all about.  How in the world doesn't it make sense?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: USA 111, France 71
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:41:57 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

Subject line conveys the nub of my gist.  France led early, 16-13, before
the US stormed back.  Jordan & Barkley had 21 apiece, Magic had 11 assists.
Bird, Malone, Ewing, Jordan & Johnson started, and then fell behind.  A
second team with Barkley, Robinson, Mullin,Pippen and Drexler  rallied
for a 53-29 lead at the half.
  The US team was cheered more than the French team in the exhibition game
at Monaco.  As Jordan, who scored 13 of the USA's first 17 points, said,
"You don't always understand the language, but you understand your name."
    Chuck Daly said the French team was better than any the US faced in
Portland.

--Rob Clough
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From: cantor@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: Are Da Bulls Dying? 
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:29:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.165219.28771@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.160545.17606@cis.ohio-state.edu> cantor@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.152833.27361@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>>
>>>I agree.  The Knicks are about the only team I worry about, but I still think
>>>that Cartwright plays Ewing just well enough for the Bulls to move past them.
>>>As for the Cavaliers, I haven't worried about them before, and I'm not 
>>>worrying about them now.
>>>
>>
>>	That's just the way I prefer it.  One of these days you're not going to
>>worry about it, and that's when it's gonna happen.  Frankly I didn't think the
>>Cavs could take the Bulls to six games last season.  I was wrong.  So are you.
>>
>>	|			Scott <Crazy Diamond> Cantor	|
>
>I was wrong!  I stand corrected!  The proof has been given to us!  The Cavs 
>will win the NBA Championship next year by first pasting the Bulls in the 
>Eastern Conference Finals and then demolishing the Blazers/Suns in the 
>Championship series!  You heard it here, from Scott <Crazy Diamond> Cantor, 
>first!!!!!  
>

	Gee I sure don't recall saying anything about the Cavs winning the
title next year.  I guess I must have, since you know my mind much better than
I do after all.  Of course since you copied my whole post, all you have to do
is look and see.

       	Excuse me for taking offense when someone insults my team by acting
like they don't exist.  Never mind that they were in the conference finals
with you.  That means nothing.

	I just hope the Bulls take the Cavs as lightly as you do, because even
though the Bulls are still better (Gee, imagine that!  I actually admit the
Bulls are better.) if they shrug them off next year, they just might lose.

	Wow, what a thought.  The almighty Bulls might lose.  Couldn't ever
happen, could it?  Not even a remote possibility.  And it could never be the
Cavs that beat them.  No chance, right?

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: WORTHY/STARKS Trade?
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:43:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.183746.16735@news.columbia.edu> jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu writes:
>But now why the hell are they even  
>considering (or conversely, not denying) any interest in Magic Johnson?   
                 ^^^^^^^^
 
Is this a pun? ;^)

>Jeff Eldredge
>The New Jersey Nets -- Metro New York's most exciting basketball team!


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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 30 Jul 1992 10:45:12 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Jul30.140653.827@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
|1.  Was George Mikan an A+?  Walton was, when he played,
|    but I can't decide if he played enough.

Walton was one of the best centers, ever, for the short time that he played.  A+

|5.  Darryl Dawkins and George McGinnis are among the many
|    Philadelphia centers who receive "social passes" (I
|    just learned that from an educator) for consistently
|    having their assignments chewed by the dog on the way
|    to school.

McGinnis was a power forward, and a damn good one, too.  Too bad he couldn't
share with Dr. J, what a forward combo that would have been!

Rick

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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Another Dream Team Possibility
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:34:47 GMT


In article l6opn4INNfv4@calvin.usc.edu, whjelmar@calvin.usc.edu (White Guy with an earring) writes:
>Since everyone else is else is giving their picks for a second Dream Team,
>I figured I'd send out mine.  So here goes....
>
>C  - 	Brad Daugherty
>PF -	Charles Smith

How about Larry Johnson?

>SF -	Dominique Wilkins

Maybe not coming off of achille's heel injury.

>PG -	Tim Hardaway

How about Price or KJ?

>SG -	Reggie Miller

Kendall Gill would be my choice, of course I went to the U of I.......

>
>Bench - Rony Seikaly (C), Shaq O'Neill (C/PF), Dennis Rodman (SF), 
>	Reggie Lewis (SF/SG), Kevin Johnson (PG), Mitch Richmond (SG),
>	Hersey Hawkins (SG)
>
Nyet on Seikaly, KJ should be starting.

>Coachs - Pat Riley - Head Coach
>	 Don Nelson - NBA Asst. Coach
>	 Jerry Tarkanian - College Asst. Coach
>	 Lou Carnesecca - College Asst. Coach
>

Tark the shark is a pro coach now.

>The only way to beat the Dream Team (I) would be if the other team could 
>eat up the clock, and lit up the scoreboard from behind the 3 pt. line.
>This team could do this.
>
>The major difference in talent, I think, comes from the Center position.  The
>speed and strength of a Ewing/Robinson combo, is truely awesome--there is 
>no way that this team or any is going to match that....
>
>Let me know what you think....
>
>					-Walter-
>

Pete Wung


>
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:51:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.125336.26988@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>YESSS!!!!!!!  I got one!!!!
>
>And lo' and behold, it's our old friend Jerray!

Not really because...1) I thought it was a joke, but 2) that's one of the
weakest jokes I've ever seen, no humor whatsoever so 3) I assumed you were
really stupid.  Feel better?

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From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: new Olympic competition rules
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:34:17 GMT


    I've been thinking of a few ways we could make the basketball games
    more competitive and it seems the theme of the family picnic would fit
    best.  Of course, the DT would still win, but at least games would be
    close.

    1. The point guard and power forward (i.e., Stockton and Malone)
       would be joined to form a 3-legged team.
    2. Limbo pole at half-court.
    3. Keg of beer under each basket.  Player that scores has to chug.
    4. Substitute forward (i.e., Larry Bird) has to wear a burlap sack.
    5. Anyone who commits a foul has to carry an egg around with a spoon.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:24:59 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>Magic with the no-look pass over the head to a trailing Jordan.  Jordan
>with his lean-in, clean-off the bottom of my shoes with the ball, SLAM!
>Boy, I howled when that one came crashing down.  Loved the quote from
>Marv about how the Angola player had been 'POSTERIZED'!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Couldn't have said it better!

Now that's a quote! In the NBA the players usually get on each other if they
are too close to a player like Jordon when he dunks. They don't want to wind
up in the poster! I faintly remember reading (or hearing) that there were
some players in the NBA who were keeping track of the players that were
'POSTERIZED'....being in someone else's poster!

Anyone know(or care) about this?

					Marty
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Kite returns to Disneyworld - Trade is void
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:00:04 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul21.123038.5035@cci632.cci.com>, dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
> 
> What was the reason that Kite failed the physical? Knees? Back? What?
> 

	Acording to today's Boston Globe, Kite developed atrial fibrillation
(irregular heartbeat) during last season. Kite was examined by the Rockets'
cardiology consultant, who did not clear Kite to play.


-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Marlboro, MA
!
!	Many things in life are not fair. Matt Young having to pitch to
!	Cecil Fielder with the bases loaded, is a perfect example!
From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:54:27 GMT
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering

In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>to play anymore.
>

   To get it right Rodman has only said he is thinking of retiring, not
that he has made any decision.  I find it highly unlikely he will.  He's
going through personal problems right now that will work themselves out.
He plays with far too much fire and enthusiasm to just walk away from 
the game.


>I guess because of:
>
>1. Daly is not his coach anymore.
>

   This is the most likely reason of all.  Detroit will miss Daly's 
class and effective leadership for a long long time to come.

>2. William Bedford is not on the pine anymore.
>

   Good ridance.  

>3. Detriot is not Chicago Bulls.
>

   And Chicago ain't Detroit.  What's yer point?  The Pistons still have
the right attitude, they just need an injection of youth now.

>4. Was never voted MVP or play in All-Star games.
>

   Wrong.  He's been picked/played as an all-star.  Defensive Player of the
Year, consistant first team all-D, and the rebounding title aren't anything 
to sneeze at either.

>5. Had plenty of money and need a stable life in Houston.
>
>6. Had the feeling that Pistons do not have any desire or chemistry to win.
>

   I think there are a lot of New York fans who would disagree with this
after watching their playoff series.  

>7. Start life early.

   Rodman is already 30+.

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