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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: CIVCIV DUSUNCE VE UGUR MUMCUNUN OLUMU
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.C1HEEI.1xn
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <01GTXTQV3WTU0005L2@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
>Benim Ugur Mumcuya ihtiyacim vardir. Islamin buyuklugunu gormem
>icin  Ugur Mumcu gibiler olamlidir. Kotu olmadan iyi anlam ifade
>etmez

Bakin burada siniri astiniz. 
Biz Ugur Mumcu'nun olumunun acisini yasiyoruz.
Ulkemiz basin, dusun ve kultur dunyasinin en buyuklerinden 
birini kaybediyor, sonra biri kalkiyor, o kotuydu, iyi ki
kotuydu, ben dinimin buyuklugunu gordum diyor.
Sizin insanliginiz da kalmamis.
Siz dinle kafayi yemissiniz. 
Siz Islam'la kafayi yemissiniz.
Olayin haberini ( bir Turk gazetesinden) okudunuz mu? Arabanin ve 
sokagin halini gordunuz mu? Mumcu'nun vucudunun parcalari atrafa dagilmis.
Duvarda iki parmak, yerde bir et parcasi, koltukta beyin parcalari.
Hic iciniz sizladi mi?
Bir insan oldu diye?
Bizim icimiz cok sizladi.
Once insan oldugu icin.
Sonra buyuk gezeteci oldugu icin.
Sonra cumhuriyetin ve laikligin savunucusu oldugu icin.
Ama siz arkasindan o kotuydu diyorsunuz.
Dusunceye sayginiz olmadigini biliyoruz, bari insan ruhuna sayginiz olsun.

Sizlerle (Islamcilarla) uzun sure insanca tartismaya kalkistik.
Meger sizi ciddiye almakla yanilmisiz.
Asil bizim sizin gibilere ihtiyacimiz var.
Saglikli dusundugumuzu, insanca duygulara sahip oldugumuzu anlayabilmemiz
icin.

Siz Islamla kafayi yemissiniz. 
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:20:03 GMT

God isn't dead, he just couldn't find a parking place.
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From: an7379@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Testing yapiyorum...
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:58:00 GMT


Ulan keske bu anonymous'u soylemeseydin, hekes simdi 
ana avrat gidecek....


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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:20:02 GMT

Paul Revere was a tattle-tale
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From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: HEYECANLANMA KAYA
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:56:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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In article <01GTQBB2Y5WY006MJF@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
|
|   ---deleted---------
|> 
|>     Muhammed Ibn Ishak, e's Sire, tahkik eden Muhammed Hamidullah,
|>     Konya, 1981, sayfalar: 157-158, fikra 219.
|> 
|>     Muhammed Ibn Ishak bey biraderimiz diyor ki,
|> 
|>     "Muhammed disari cikip (Kabe'den) En-Necm suresini okudu. Al'Uzza, Mana^t
|>      ve Al'lat'i duyanlar yere kapandi......"
| ........................deleted---------------
|>Kaya
|     Mr kaya gerisi nerede kaya  bey Ibni Ishak baska ne diyor. Koca sayfada
|     sirf bunu mu diyor. kaya ayip oluyor, Seytan Ayetleri ve Kur'an  yazisinda
|     kullandigim kaynaklar.  Yukaridaki cumle does not make any sense. Verdigin
|     hadisi cek edeyim. Sonra onun uzerindede konusuruz. Hemen heyecanlanma.
|     Ibni Ishak ile ilgili aciklama icin Haykal  sayfa 107 ye bakiver.  Istersen
|     Ibni Ishakdan hikayenin tamamin anlat hep beraber gorelim ne dersin. Oyle
|     bir cumle ve bir suru nokta ile isler anlasilmiyor. haydi bekliyoruz. Su
|     meshur kutuphanenden faydalanalim. !!!!!!!!  Iki sayfa numarasi vermissin
|     fakat koca sayfalardan iki satir lutfen hepsini yazda ogrenelim
|     Benim kullandigim kaynaklar.
|     
|     
|     Remzi Cirit
|      

Remzi kardesim, birak artik su ZINDIK ile ugrasmayi. YALANCI ve SAHTEKAR
adamin anlayacagi yoktur. Sen cevap yazdikca kendisini bir halt
zannediyor. Tarih KAYA gibilerini cok gordu. Bak yuce KITAB da ne
yaziyor.

       "Onlardan oncekiler de (peygamberleri) yalanladilar da farkina
varmadiklari bir yerden onlara azap catti" [Zumer, 25]

       "Allah'a karsi yalan uyduran, kendisine gelen gercegi (Kur'an'i)
yalan sayandan daha zalim kimdir ? Kafirler icin cehennemde bir
yermi yoktur? " [Zumer, 32]


Vay hallerine o hakikati goremeyen goren korlere, vay hallerine
hakikatlere kulaklarini baglayan duyan sagirlara, vay 
zavallilara vay.... Yaziklar olsun onlara....


Selam muslumanlara olsun.

Ercan
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hmmmm...
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:27:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.C1HCyp.F6n
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) 

Mr Ercan Otemel 92, artik adinizi 93 yapsaniz?

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: ozkayaoo@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ozgur O Ozkaya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: UGUR MUMCU
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:11:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: ozkayaoo@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ozgur O Ozkaya)
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Keywords: Laik Tukiyenin basi sag olsun


 Ugur Mumcu abimizin  l m  muhakak T rkiye tarihindeki en aci olaylardan  
birisi olarak hatirlanacak.Buyuk bir insandi...Turkiyenin Ataturkcu  
ideolojisi icinde buyudugunu gormek isteyen buyuk bir insnadi Ugur Mumucu.  
Artik geride biraktigi tek sey biz Turk genclerine aydin fikirleridir. 
Ugur mumcuyu saygiyla anar....Ailesine ve Butun Turk milletine bas sagligi  
dilerim

Ozgur.
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Mumcu-Islam-Teror-Humanism
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:50:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <01GTYZF0FLLE0000FK@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
> Bu soruda da yine uygulama yanlisliklari ile dinin kendisini lutfen karist
> irmayalim.

Biz zaten Islam'a degil, ISLAMCILARA karsiyiz.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: tek@lems24lems.brown.edu (Huseyin Tek)
Subject: test..
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:21:44 GMT

deneme
From: fahriogl@hotel.egr.msu.edu (Murat Fahrioglu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: GALATASARAY's results last week in the mini tournament??
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:05:21 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
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Keywords: 

Does anybody know if Galatasaray ended up playing in that mini tournament
where they were going to play against some european teams, and if they did
can anybody please give me the results?
MURAT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kandaz@gmd.de
 (Buelent Kandaz)
Subject: Re: PEYGAMBERiMiZiN DOGUMU (Maruf Evren'in kitabindan naklen)
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:32:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan27054838.AA48006@me.unda.edu>, kaya@me.unda.edu (Kaya T.
Guralp) wrote:
> 
> Maruf Evren kardesimizin essiz bir bilgi hazinesi olan "En buyuk
> insan, Sevgili Peygamberimiz" kitabindan alintilar kasirgasi suruyor.

***Kaya efendi beni biraz dinle de baz seyleri dogru ogren.***

DUZMECE ANLATIMLARIN DAHA NE KADAR SURECEK MERAK EDIYORUM 

Bak Ben sana Hz.Muhammed (s.a.s)in Peygamberlikten onceki Hayatini
anlatayimda biraz dusun!

1-Hz.MUHAMMED(s.a.s)In Cocukluk hayati
-DOGUMU :
Hz. Muhammed (s.a.s)Miladdan sonra 571 senesi, Fil yilinda, 12
Rebiulevvel(20 Nisan)Pazartesi gecesi sabaha karsi, Mekkenin dogusunda
bulunan " HasimOgullari Mahallesi"nde, babasindan kendisine miras kalan
evde dogdu.Araplarin takvim basi olarak kullandiklari "Fil Vakasi",
Peygamberimiz(s.a.s)in dogumundan 52 gun kadar once olmustur.

Abdulmuttalib, torununun dogumu serefine verdigi ziyafette cocugun adini
soranlara : 
-"Muhammed adini verdim. Dilerim ki, gokte Hakk, yeryuzunde halk, Onu
hayirla yadetsinler.."cevabini verdi.
Annesi de"Ahmed"dedi. (Muhammed, ustunluk ve meziyetleri anilarak cok cok
ovulup sena edilen;Ahmed de Cenab-i Hakki yuce sifatlari ile oven,
hamdeden kimse demektir.)

Islam tarihcileri, Peygamberimiz(s.a.s)in dogdugu gece bir takim
olaganustu olaylarin meydana geldigini naklederler.O gece Iran
Kisrasi(Hukumdari)nin Medayin sehrindeki sarayinin 14 sutunu yikilmis,
mecusilerin IrandaIstahrabat sehrinde bin yildan beri yanmakta olan
"atesgede"leri sonmus,Save golu yere batmis, bin yildan beri kurumus olan
Semave deresinin sulari tasmis, mecusilerin buyuk bilgini Mudiban korkunc
bir ruya gormus, Kabedeki putlarin yuz ustu devrildikleri
gorulmustu.Gercekten Onun dogmasi ile butun dunyada hukum surmekte olan
cehalet ve kufut atesi sonecek, putpereslik yikilacak, zulum baskisi son
bulacakti.

2-Soyu (nesibi)

Peygamberimiz Hz.Muhammed(s.a.s)in babasi,Abdulmuttalibin
ogluAbdullah;annesi ise Vehbinkizi Aminedir.Babasi Abdullah,Kureys
kabilesinin Hasim ogullari kolundan;annesi Amine ise Zuhre ogullari
kolundandir.Her ikiside Mekkelidir.
Peygamber(s.a.s)Efendimiz,Hz.Ibrahimin buyuk oglu Hz.Ismailin
neslidir.Soyu Adnana kadar kesintisiz bellidir.

Hz.Muhammed(s.a.s)in dogumundan iki ay kadar once babasi Abdullah, Suriye
seyahatinden donerken Yesrib(Medine)de hastalanarak 25 yasinda vefat etmis
ve orada defnedilmistir.

devami gelecek!




Blent Kandaz, GMD - K3T1,  kandaz@gmd.de, (++49 2241) 14-2002
 GMD ( German National Research Center for Computer Science )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: >>>>>>>>> HAKKI KOCABAS HAKKINDA <<<
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:41:02 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> In article <1993Jan21.100628.4417@fuug.fi> an6147@anon.penet.fi writes:  
  
> >ISTEMEYENLER LUTFEN GECSIN, AMA HAKKI BU KADAR AGIR BIR HAKARETI BENCE  
  
> >	Bir Vatansever Turk genci .....  
  
yazilarina imzasini bile koyamayan korkak bana nasil koyar ?  
hele bir dokuz ay on gun bekleyin leeen, sonra goreceksiniz  
kim kimin neresine ne koyabildigini...sabret len ! sabret !  
simdiden kelimeleriniz bogazinizda kurumakta, kelime sikintisi  
cekmektesiniz...   
bu nette pipin bir ise yaramaz, akli kullanacak kelimen olmadikca  
essek kadar pipin olsa ne yazar ?  
...beklenen yolda mi ne ?   
>   
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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:20:02 GMT

If you explain so clearly that nobody can misunderstand, somebody
will.
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From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ugur Mumcu
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:51:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: kcbbs.1029325.42680.1096
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> Bir Zindik ya da bir KAFIR daha katledildi. Gazaniz mubarek ola.Gozunuz  
> aydin. Devam edin. Sirada kimler var daha.  KOCABAS ve onungibi dusunenlerin
> de ozellikle gozleri aydin ola. Yakindir,geliyor, goreceksiniz diye  
  
Sizin gibi cahillerin gozu aydin ola !  
Siz cehaleti heryerde, her firsatta savundukca aranaizda daha ne katiller  
turer gorurusunuz...  
  
> Insanlari oldurerek mi ?  Unutmayin,bu ulke degil siz ve sizin gibiler, tum 
> arap alemini iki ile carpip karesini alarak gelseniz bile laiklikten ve  
> Ataturk ilkelerinden odun vermez. Bunun guvencesi, bazilarinin bel bagladigi
  
Ataturk ilekeleri bir celiski icindeyse de mi ?  
  
> gibi 'saga karsi' darbe yapacak olan ordu degil, sagduyu sahibi,  ATATURK  
> ilkelerine gonulden bagli yurtsever Turk aydini ve Turk halkidir. Terorun  
> her turlusunu lanetliyor, Mumcu'nun ailesi ve Turk ulusuna bas sagligi  
> diliyorum.   
> sas.  
> p.s. Sayin KOCABAS in bu katledilme ile ilgili goruslerini iceren bir mailin
  
Her turlu terore, zorbaliga, organize zorbaliga, istiklal mahkemeleri gibi  
yarim yamalak sozum ona adalet kuruluslarina, cehalet uzerine oturtulan  
adalet (!?) ve diger sosyal kuruluslara karsiyim. Celiskiler uzerine  
oturmakta olan kuruluslariniza ve onlarin savunucularina karsiyim.  
Adaletten uzak Milletinize uyruk olmayacagim, Allah dilemedikce.  
> goremedim. Gozumden kactiysa lutfen tekrar gonderebilirmi?  Sevincinden mi  
> yazamadi acaba..       
  
Sizin gibi cahiller cehaletin sonuclarina sevinir, ondan kendi cehaletlerine  
bir pay bicmeye kalkar. Savundugunuz duzenin nereye oturduguna bakin Ey  
Cahiller !  
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From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: Cifte standartcilara...
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:43:49 GMT

        YaklaSIk 2 aydIr okuduGum bu netten CIkardIGIm bir sonuca gore
ne zaman birileri nete yazan dindarlar ile uyuSmadIGI zaman "Yahudi uSaGi,
Amerikan abilerinin emir kullari, Ingiliz kuklalarI" hallerine sokuluyor.
Peki hala, benim size bir onerim var. Madem bu kadar din yolunda azimli ve
gozu pek insanlarsInIz, haydi goreyim sizi; atlayin uCaga ve doGru Bosna
gOnUllUler ordusuna katIlIn. Haydi aslanlarIm benim. Amerikan ve Oteki
Seytan BatIlI Ulkelerden bir hayIr geleceGi yok zaten. Madem Bosna'da ki
durum sizi bu kadar UzUyor hiC durmayIn. Sehitlik mertebesine sizi
UlaStIracak bOylesine bir imkanI kaCirmayIn. Ileride sual olunduGunuzda
"Ya felan, kullarIm OldUrUldUgU zaman sizlerin hali nice idi?" diye
sorulduGunDa, " Vallahi olaylaRI Turk netinde kInIyorduk, Gidip bacIlarImIza
yarDIm etmek isterdik ama, Taha suresinin Cevirisini talep etmekle, din
kelimesinin kur'an da kaC defa geCtiGini tartISmakla, millet-ulus sentezi
yapmakla, milleti ya ZINDIK yada kafir diye kategorilemekle meSguldUk."
diyebilecek yUze mi sahip olacaksInIz. Yoksa," Yahu bir yandan BatI'yI
eleStirip bir yandan da BatI'nIn BalIndan YaGIndan yararlanIyorduk"
mu diyeceksiniz.
        Haydi gerCek yUzUnUzU gOsterin bakalIm. BakalIm kelimelerle
oynamak bu sefer sizi kurtarack mI?


ps: Yoksa "Kalemle yaPIlan cihat, kIlIcla yapIlandan UsTunDUr" deyip kaCacak
delik mi arayacakSINDIz?


                                                         MeraklI biri,
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: test
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 02:08:34 GMT

1/24/93 Updated : Turkish Journalist Killed Ugur Mumcu 
 
   ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A prominent left-wing journalist 
was killed when a bomb planted under his car exploded 
Sunday. Turkey's prime minister pledged that the killers 
would be brought to justice. 
   Ugur Mumcu, 50, a columnist for the Istanbul newspaper 
Cumhuriyet, had been an outspoken critic of Islamic 
fundamentalism and Kurdish separatism. Islamic Jihad and two 
other Islamic groups that had never been heard of previously 
claimed responsibility for the assassination. 
   Mumcu, a vigorous defender of secularism in Turkey, had 
reported receiving death threats from extremist Islamic 
groups. 
   He died instantly when the bomb exploded as he started 
his car outside his apartment. The Anatolia news agency 
quoted officials as saying the bomb was planted under the 
car. 
   Premier Suleyman Demirel and several Cabinet members went 
to Mumcu's house to express their sympathy to his wife. "The 
killers will be found," Demirel said. 
   The first responsibility claim came from a group calling 
itself Islamic Salvation in anonymous telephone calls to 
newspapers. 
   Anatolia's Istanbul office said it also received a call 
from a group calling itself Islamic Great East Raiders 
Front. 
   Almost six hours after the attack, another anonymous 
caller to the Mumcu's newspaper said Islamic Jihad was 
responsible, Anatolia reported. Islamic Jihad has claimed 
responsibility for terrorist actions in Turkey in the past. 
   Demirel's government is under fire for failing to catch 
the killers of other leading figures, including another 
journalist and two professors who were slain in the past 
three years. 
   The government has also said it has made little progress 
in bringing to justice the killers of 12 pro-Kurdish 
journalists. Kurdish Muslim extremists were blamed for those 
killings. 
   Mumcu gained international fame for his books on the 
attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II in May 1981 by 
the right-wing Turkish terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca. 
   Tracing Agca's moves in Turkey and in Europe before the 
shooting, Mumcu exposed his links with Bulgarian arms 
smugglers. 
   Mumco also was an expert on international arms and drug 
trafficking and terrorism.
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The children of "18-year-old democracy".
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:44:12 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1ijac5INN275@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:

>In article <9301062027@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>>
>>Nobody is going to give you that. You might give at least the
>>memory of it to yourself if you try. I know it doesn't make sense,
>>but since when is "tamtam" about sense, anyway. Besides, in its 
>>entire history Greece has never been a democracy - except for the 
>>last 18 years. The Turkish rule in Greece ended in 1821 and since 
>>
>I'm curious, what language is the word 'democracy' origninally
>from?

Ask yourself, which language 'aristocracy', 'autocracy', 'monarchy', 
'chaos', 'anarchy' and 'barbarianism' are originally from ?

Kutluk
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:28:56 GMT

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From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: turkey deserves credit
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:30:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

TURKEY DESERVES CREDIT {Letter to the Editor of NEWSWEEK}

As a retired American teacher  living in Turkey, I take exception
to  the statement  in  the  Jan. 4  issue  ("Hate Thy  Neighbor",
SPECIAL REPORT) that  "Turkey denies the existence  of 10 million
or so Kurds,  calling them "mountain Turks'." While  the term was
current two  decades ago, Kurds  in Turkey now openly  and freely
state that  they are  Kurds and  are thus  spoken of  by everyone
here.  Far  from  trying  to  "legislate  their  language,  their
culture, even their music out of existence," I can assert without
qualification that the current  government has expended great and
continuing effort  and legislation  to legitimize all  aspects of
Kurdish ethnicity; furthermore, the Kurdish language and haunting
music is heard throughout this multicultural nation, as are other
cultural  and  linguistic  expressions,  which  all  enhance  our
national life. It  does a disservice to the  efforts and progress
of enlightened  Turkish citizens  and public figures,  made under
enormous difficulties,  not to recognize change.  Turkey deserves
better.

Thomas Steele DRACH
Izmir, Turkey

Source: NESWEEK, 1 February 1993
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: From TRKNWS
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:13:59 GMT
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In article <1julqoINNjcg@morrow.stanford.edu> HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (hq.ggg) writes:
>01/24 1136  CAR BOMB KILLS TURKISH JOURNALIST, UGUR MUMCU
>
>ANKARA (JAN. 24) DPA - A well known Turkish journalist and
>expert on  terrorism, Ugur Mumcu, was killed by a car bomb
>Sunday.
>   A group calling itself Islamic Liberation Organisation
>claimed responsibility for the killing in anonymous
>telephone calls to several newspapers.

Allah'in verdigi canI alarak bu Islami Kurtulus Orgutu kimi
kurtaracak? 

Anca kendilerini kurtarirlar. Ya da oyle sanarlar.

Yaziklar olsun!
  
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Remzi Cirit'e  
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 29 Jan 93 20:55:29 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> ..... Bu arada millet ve ulus kavramlarini karistirarak  
> Hakki Kocabas'in bile tepkisini cektiniz.(Ben Turk Dil Kurumu sozlugune gore
> ikisinin hala ayni olduguna inaniyorum ama neyse).  
  
Eger kavramlarimizi Turk Dil Kurumunun sozluklerinden kavramaya basladiysak  
vay halimize....bu 'matematik'i ya da 'fizik'i sozlukten ogrenmeye benzer...:-
Sizin universitenin kitapliginda sozlukten baska :->eser bulunmaz mi ?  
Ornegin Kuran, Nutuk, Ziya Gokalp'ten yazilar, Ugur Mumcu'nun makaleleri,  
Oswald Spengler'in Decline Of the West'i v.s....gibi...  
  
> BEHCET HALUK AYDINOGLU, MSEE  
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