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From: deguzman@after.math.uiuc.edu (A A DeGuzman)
Subject: Utility to remove resource forks?
Organization: Calculus&Mathematica at UIUC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:40:08 GMT

Does there exist a utility that deletes the resource fork of a file,
preferably drag'n'drop on a folder and all of it's contents?

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From: John T. Chapman <jtc1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: New Canvas tools from Deneba
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:15:36 GMT
Organization: Office of Computing and Statistical Consulting
Distribution: world
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From several places, I've seen mention of a new Canvas tool package from 
Deneba. Has anyone seen/used this yet?

How about it, MacWorld attendees - was it demoed at their booth?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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From: ujbeer@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Basic for MacIntosh
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:22:48 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu


Does anyone know of a Basic language package for MacIntosh which has the
same language set as the Basic that was used in the IIe?

One of our faculty has a series of Basic programs, they don't use Peeks
and Pokes, but when I transfered the source files to MS-DOS GWBASIC, 
there were a few problems with commands that weren't available in the
GWBASIC.

Since we are getting new Macs, and I was wondering if there is a Basic
available in which they had compatibility with the IIe Basic in mind.
(File transfer is not a problem, we can do that.)

Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mziegler@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Marcus Ziegler)
Subject: Q: Any schedule-programs in the PD and not DA?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:02:12 GMT

Hello!
Does annybody know something about programs similar to "CAL" or "REMEMBER", that
are shareware or in the PD and are NOT DAs but regular applications?
Thanks in advance
Marcus Ziegler
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From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Sneakers (The movie) application
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:34:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Can someone tell me the name of that application that can do what was done 
in the movie Sneakers....take a word and make it something else......

That was cool, and I heard there was a Mac app that will do it....

Steve KNezevich


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: Re: Latest Retrospect?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:56:24 GMT

ra_novy@dal.mobil.com (Robert A. Novy) writes:

>What is the newest version of Retrospect?
>I have version 1.3B; it was purchased late in '92.  If there is a newer
>version, is there an upgrade deal?

  Well, according to MacLea... Week.. November 23, 1992, Dantz is coming
  out with Retrospect 2.0. They claim that it will be available this month
  and will retail for $249. The upgrade is $50. If you bought it after
  Halloween, 1992, you get the upgrade for free. Hopefully the scripting
  will be a little more capable than 1.3C.

    - Chris

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From: ab2r@quads.uchicago.edu (Marshall Abrams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for a WYSIWYG TeX/LaTeX
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:19:56 GMT
Reply-To: ab2r@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In the last six months or so, there was a notice about a Wysiwig
word processor, which used TeX as its file format, in either Byte
magazine or PC Magazine.  It's in one of the smaller articles
toward the front of the magazine.  (I can't remember which
magazine it was, but I'd look in Byte first.)  If you have no
access to back copies of these magazines, you might be able to
talk me into looking through the ones I have around the house,
but time is tight right now, so I'd rather not if I can avoid it.

Marshall Abrams
ab2r@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center)
Subject: Hey how about a new group for UTILITIES ???????
Summary: New newsgroup for utilities
Keywords: New Group Utilities
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:54:42 GMT

Hey I just thought that it might be a good idea to make a new NewsGroup
for Mac Utilities....

We could call it comp.sys.mac.util


Just a thought..

TED

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ebido@bio.vu.nl (Etienne Bido)
Subject: Superpaint Gradients
Organization: VU Biology, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:45:28 GMT

How do you save the colorgradients which you make yourselve in Superpaint 3.0?
Every time I spend time creating nice colorgradients but as soon as I
quit Superpaint 3.0 they are lost.

Etienne

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From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: 1-800 number for ATM
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:50:07 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

There was some talk of ATM being sold for $10.00 
via a 1-800-***-**** number.

Does anybody have that number?

If so please e-mail me at nash@mindvox.phantom.com
or reply to this post.


Thanx,


Vasee
From: tcwan@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Problems with StuffIt 3.0.4 Updater
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:06:23 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1993Jan21.041840.25579@netcom.com>, leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:
> In article <1jkjsrINNluk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bk146@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd Sternisha) writes:
>>
>>	Has anyone had any problems updating StuffIt Deluxe 3.0.3 to
>>version 3.0.4 with the updater on sumex? All of my 4-bit StuffIt icons
>>were disrupted, and I'm wondering if any other problems are know to
>>exist. I've tried updating several times, all with the same effect:
>>opening SIT! with ResEdit gives random noise for all of the ics4's and
>>icl4's. Anyone have any ideas?
>>
> 	It's not you, it's us!  We messed up the updater such that the 4 bit 
> icons were accidently compressed.  What we are recommending at this time is
> to simply copy (using ResEdit) the icons from 3.0.3 to 3.0.4...

Well, I didn't have 3.03 around anymore (it's in the originals, but then
I'll have to do the 3.01 to 3.02 to 3.03 updates....), I just opened
the file using Resedit, and in the ICON editor, dragged the icl8s to the icl4s
. Took about 15 minutes. Probably not the same color as the real 4 bit icons
but it works.

t.c.
#I speak for myself :)

> 
> Leonard
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From: imp@tik.vtt.fi (Ilkka Priha)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Speech synthesis in System 7
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:48:06 +0200
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tik.vtt.fi

Sorry about the stupid misspelling in my query. Of cource it's
SPEECH SYNTHESIS I'm interested in.

*Hello all
*
*Does anyone have information about possibilities for speed synthesis
*under System 7. As stated in Tech. Note 268, Apple no longer supports
*Macintalk, although even version 1.1 partly works in my Mac with a
*SpeechLab application. However, the note includes very serious warnings
*not to use it. So, are there any alternatives, either commercial or free.
*Any hints appreciated.

-- Ilkka
From: jimp@trigraph.uucp (Jim Prall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Photoshop: "Save" does the same thing as "Save As..."?!?!?!?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:31:01 GMT
Organization: Trigraph Inc.

In <1993Jan19.144343.28940@Princeton.EDU> jdunning@picasso.Princeton.EDU (John Alan Dunning) writes:

>"Save" and "Save As..." function as they should when you're working
>with Photoshop-format files.  But if you open a TIFF file, say, then 
>make a change to it, and select "Save", it asks you for the file name
>again.  
I suppose you could save in PhotoShop format, close the TIFF, then
open the PhotoShop format to continue working. This would allow you
to keep selecting Save without any dialog boxes. When finished, if
you need a TIFF, your last step is to Save As and select TIFF format
again. I dont know if this would involve two changes to the image
data itself, with possible degradation, or just a change in the
file format wrapped around the same image. I suspect the latter.

>Also, if you import an EPS file and save the imported version
>to another name, the original version stays open, rather than that
>window receiving the new name.
>Having to type in the name every time I want to save is a real pain,
>especially since some of the formats, like TIFF, make you go through
>seconday dialog boxes when you do "Save As...".
Hmm. Same problem. Of course they can't simply replace your EPS with
their new Photoshop file. But I agree the window name should change.
Seems arbitrary. Same workaround as above.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster)
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS (R)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:25:57 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1993Jan15.225806.22071@cc.umontreal.ca> casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe) writes:
>al@ms.uky.edu (Al Smith) writes:
>
>>First, I have a Apple StyleWriter II.  I need to know how to print out
>>a GIF file.  I have QuickGif and JPEGView, but neither of them can print.
>>Now, If the gif is in color then I would expect it to print in GreyScale
>>or something like that (shades of grey).
>
>Get GifConverter 2.3b2.  Well worth the shareware fee.
>

I have also tried printing grayscale gifs on the Stylewriter.  I have even
tried GifConverter 2.3b2.  It was the only one that worked at all, so far.
But the resolution of the dots that printed out was quite poor; not what I
expected.  After all, the stylewriter has a 360 dot-per-inch resolution.
I thought what printed was about what you'd expect from imagewriter.  I 
used the Style-writer setting.  What gives?  The Stylewriter should be able 
to produce grayscale rivaling ordinary lazer printers, which are 300 dots
per inch.

Please email responses, the traffic on this group is too heavy and I rarely
get it all read. (400 articles in the qeue now.)

galster@plains.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: dave@yggdrasil.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Lee Matuszek)
Subject: Re: MindWrite (remember it?)
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:41:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.140212.26465@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, dy@shire.math.columbia.edu (Deane Yang) writes:
|> I have a friend who is still using MindWrite with an old
|> System (4?). I would like to wean her off it. Does anyone
|> know

Why wean her off it?

|> 1) How well does MindWrite work with newer systems (6 or 7)?

Last time I used it, it seemed to work fine under System 7.0.1.  I
haven't given it a throrough workout in some time, however, so
there may be lurking bugs.  If there are not, it's still a better
outlining program than anything available today.  If you must get
a newer program, More is a possibility, albeit an expensive one.
Nisus has outlining macros, but you really don't want to try to
use them :-(.

|> 2) How do I translate MindWrite documents into Word dcuments?

MindWrite can save in text-only format.  I don't think it can
save in MS word format.

|> Replies may be either posted or sent to me directly by e-mail.
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> Deane Yang
|> Polytechnic University
|> 

-- 
  -- dave@vfl.paramax.com -- If my header says otherwise, it lies.

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form up into teams, we would be reorganized.  I was to learn later in
life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a
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From: eggert@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Lars Eggert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: A new SpeedyFinder?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:09:31 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp43.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Keywords: SpeedyFinder

I heard rumours about a version of SpeedyFinder7 that is more recent
than 1.5.4 which is available at sumex. I think it was said that
only registered users received it.

IS THIS TRUE? What are the improvements? I think about registering,
but I won't if the conflict with AutoDoubler was not solved.

If there is such a version, could somebody please summarize the
changes since 1.5.4?

Many thanks,
Lars Eggert (eggert@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de)
"Good food, good meat, good god - let's eat!"
(Prayer by Homer Simpson)
From: phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: creating Norton emergency disk for pb 180
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:13:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <1993Jan22.003131.12337@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill Petro) writes:
> gaylord@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard J. Gaylord) writes:
> 
> >the emergency disk HD that comes with norton utiliities v.2.0 has 
> >system 7.0.1
> >disk doctor
> >speed disk

> > >i took off the speed disk (it won't fit) and system 7.0.1. and put on 
> >system enabler 111 
> >system 7.1 
> >disk doctor 
> 
> >however,  i can't get the powerbook to boot off the floppy. 
> 
> >i know the floppy doesn't have a finder and i have to set the floppy up
> >to go directly into disk doctor but i can't figure out how to do that.
> 
> >can someonr tell me how to do this?
> 
> >thanks.
> 
> >btw - i called norton but they havn't gotten back to me on this.
> 
> 
> I also had the same problem with a Performa 600 which runs 7.1P.
> Does Norton have any help?  I had to use the Apple supplied floppy to boot and
> then mount another hard disk with Norton on it to recover.

I had a similar problem with my Duo 230, my solution was to make a copy of the
disktools disk, then to remove the Finder and to put "Norton Utilities" app 
on there - but rename it "Finder" (I had to use ResEdit to do it and mess with
the Finder info until it looked to the system like the Finder does -
same type & creator (all this was done on another machine btw - 'cos the
Duo's HD was trashed and I needed Norton to recover it). I managed then to
convice the Finder that this was a system disk by moving the System & my
pretend-Finder out and then back into the System folder. This produced a
disk which I can boot my Duo with, which starts up Norton Utilities directly,
and which I used to repair my harddisk.

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From: tmplee@TIS.COM (Theodore Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Multiple Alarm Clock sought
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: tmplee@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems

I am looking for an alarm-clock program that allows one to set simultaneous
alarms for several different times during the day, with a (possibly)
different sound associated with each. (An obvious usage would be to set an
alarm for each hour on the hour, with the associated sound speaking the
time, but that's not what I need it for.)  Does such a thing exist?  I
can't seem to find one in the archives.  Part of a not-too-expensive
commercial package would be OK.

Ted Lee <tmplee@tis.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ssample1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Stephen & Roo Sample)
Subject: Re: Canvas 3.04 vs. IntelliDraw 1.0
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Stars & Garters Morris
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:46:55 GMT

In article <10215553@MVB.SAIC.COM>, meyerm@hp700.trg.saic.com (Michael
Meyer) wrote:
> 
> I am evaluating high-end Quickdraw drawing programs for my division and have
> narrowed the choice down to Canvas or IntelliDraw.  Would anyone care to
> comment on their relative merits (preferably folks with experience in one or
> both programs)?
> 
     I'd go with Canvas. It has lots and lots of powerful tools (albeit a
mild case of featuresitis) and a really flexible architecture (user-defined
tool sets, loading new tools while running Canvas, etc.)The only reason I
can think of for getting IntelliDraw over Canvas is the Connectigon tool,
and a variant thereof is being included with one of the tool packs Deneba
has started selling.

Stephen & Roo Sample | ssample1@cc.swarthmore.edu | Stars & Garters Morris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: sbpress@engws8 (The Stony Brook Press)
Subject: Quarkxpress mailing list
Reply-To: sbpress@ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: The State University of New York at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:09:11 GMT

To all those that are intersted, there is a quarkXpress mailing list,
the adress is listserv@iubvm(bitnet) and listserv%iubvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.
edu .(internet)
the first line should be: subscribe quardxpr <your full name>


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: bfishman@ils.nwu.edu (Barry J. Fishman)
Subject: Do you recall a hypertext application?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:38:48 GMT

I seem to remember (about 1 or 2 years ago) an application that allowed one
to create hypertext "links" on top of existing applications, to create
mini-hypertext systems with no muss or fuss.  Does anybody recall the name
of this software or have any contact information on it?

Thanks,

Barry

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: WANTED: Icon Collector Application
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:36:33 GMT

Is there an application that collects the cions from other applications ?
Let's call it "icon collector" (ICNC).
I'd prefer if this application would support drag-n-drop and would list
name & version with every icon, so that changes can be made easily.

Who has seen an "icon collector" ?

Sven :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: malay@sae.com (Bob Malay)
Subject: Re: MacInTax 10.01 (the update) Chapter 2
Reply-To: malay@sae.com
Organization: Template Software
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:36:24 GMT


I had similar problems installing MacInTax 10.01 - I ended up installing
via the custom install - I had to install each section separately - its
fully installed and seems to be working - except it would not import
my last year's file - bombed with ID=28 or 82 or something like that.



Bob Malay

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: harrym@netcom.com (Harry Myhre)
Subject: Re: Basic for MacIntosh
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:25:59 GMT

ujbeer@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:


>Does anyone know of a Basic language package for MacIntosh which has the
>same language set as the Basic that was used in the IIe?

Not that I know of. The only Basics for the Mac that I have heard of
are from Microsoft and Zbasic. There may be others. Microsoft's 
QuickBasic is readily available from the mail-order outfits. The other
Basics are harder to find.

It's too bad that Microsoft never has released something like Visual
Basic for Macintosh (IMO).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: hshubs@cis.umassd.edu (Howard S Shubs)
Subject: Re: Hey how about a new group for UTILITIES ???????
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:11:21 GMT

In <1993Jan23.093923.1@tesla.njit.edu> erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold) writes:

>In article <C19E6u.Bw9@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian Hughes) writes:
>> wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center) writes:
>> 
[silly idea deleted]
>> 
>>     Is there something new in the water, or what? Everytime I turn
>> around someone is proposing a new newsgroup. While the addition of a
>> newsgroup to talk about utilities would be helpful, I really don't see
>> an efficient way to word a charter to distinguish it from c.s.m.apps.
>> Isn't Microsoft Word a utility?

>    The key difference is that Word is something you buy your Macintosh to run, 
>a utility is something you buy to make your Macintosh run better.  Word is a 
>production application.  MacTools or ATM are just things that help Word run 
>better.  It's the difference between going to the grocery store in your 
>car and going to the gas station.  If you didn't own a car you'd still go to 
>the grocery store, just not as easily as with the car.  If you didn't have Word 
>you'd still write, just not as easily.  Only the first kind of utility (i.e 
>Word) belongs in comp.sys.mac.apps.  The second kind belongs in 
>comp.sys.mac.misc.  This will be made more explicit in the next version of the 

So, what is something like DiskFit Pro?  How 'bout CatMac?  Or a program
that sets the clock based on a time server?
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