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From: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Tomato is a fruit
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:53:51 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

danaf@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.002833.1616@netcom.com>, jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:
>
>|> As compared to my dealings with some compiler folks on -other- platforms
>|> [red], this was a [fruit] dream come true.  [;)]
>
>WOW!!! You've used the little-known Tandy Tomato????
>
>8)
>

Well, a tomato is biologically a fruit, but legally a vegetable.  It had
something to do with import tariffs or something, and they couldn't tax
fruits, but they could tax vegetables, so they legally had the status of a
tomato changed.  Don't ask me who "they" are, i'm sure it was a florida tomato
grower or something.. 
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A4000 Flaws?
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.191756.26324@mercury.unt.edu>, west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West) writes:
|> In article <jayson.03vf@tbag.tscs.com> jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips) writes:
|> > 
|> >>What the hell flaw does the A4000 have?
|> > 
|> >Compared to the Falcon at 1/3 the cost:
|> >    - no SCSI
|> >    - no DSP
|> >    - no 16-bit sound
|> >    - no MIDI
|> >    - no network port
|> 
|>    How long is goin to take you people to learn.  The A4000 Is an *expandable*
|> machine.  Like an IBM, it is not meant to be used out of the box (atleast, if

Yeah, but my roomate's Amiga (Gatway model of some sort...) has 9 slots. That's
enough ROOM to expand it!! Three+video is NOT.

|>     The graphics are 32 bit.  How the hell do you expect a "smooth" upgrade 
|> option for 8/16 bit machines.  You can't hold everyone back because of the 
|> lowest common denominator.  Can you run windows on an 8086, don't think so.

I'll go along with this one 10000%

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From: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Subject: a4000
Reply-To: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:07:35 EST

I've heard a couple of things about the A4000 and am looking at it
versus the Atari Falcon.  I've owned and enjoyed Ataris from day
one, so have a built in bias (I own software) but before I buy anything
I want to get an idea as to interesting new products on the market, and
A4000 certainly qualifies.


1) I understand that the Toaster will not run with the A4000 - is this
correct?  If not, why?

2) Max resolution on A4000 is 640 x 480?  I know it has a large colour
pallette, but kinda expected a higher rez?

3) What are the major improvements that the AGA chip set brings about,
and other than raw processing power, what does the A4000 have over the
A3000.

Thank you in advance.
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:22:11 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: David Tiberio (dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: : 
: : 	Okay, Brad. If an Amiga 3000 LISTS at $1499, and sells easily for
: : $1300, then please oh please tell me how much YOUR 486 system cost. Keep in
: : mind:
: : 
: : 	486 based clone
: : 	OS/2
: : 	Sound Card
: : 	24 bit color
: : 	coprocessed graphics
: : 
: : 	Just exactly how much is this miracle system of yours? Is it really
: : 24 bit color, or just a 24 bit palette? Is the 'coprocessed graphics' a card
: : you bought or was that free too?
: 
: He never said his clone was a 486, so let's stick with 386:
: 
: 	386-40 w/4MB RAM, 130MB HD, .28 dp 1Kx768 SVGA+monitor:	$1149
: 	Replace SVGA with S3-based coprocessed graphics board:	  150
: 	Gravis UltraSound:					  130
: 	Another 4MB RAM:					  120
: 	OS/2:							  150
: 	-------------------------------------------------------------
: 	Total:							$1699
: 
: Now, how much for an A3000 with 8MB RAM, 130MB HD, and good monitor?

The 1960 is a multisync and was not in price I guess, I guess it adds
somehitng like $500 or so. However it's not valid to compare 8 MB
Amiga to 8 MB PC with OS/2 - you forget that OS/2 _needs_ 8 megs to
run at any acceptable speed (now of course you deny this, I know. You
will probably claim that 2 megs is enough for full speed operation).
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From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:47:07 GMT

In article <u894776.719016828@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>
>>chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green) writes:
>
>>>In article <1992Oct11.192443.23288@imada.ou.dk> micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen) writes:
>>>>OK, why not try to see who can do the fastest horiz line routine? 
>>>>Let's try to see who can write the fastest 4 plane Hline-fill with dither.
>
>
>>>No claims to be the fastest, but this routine is at least adequate.
>>>It is passed a list of y/leftx/rightx triplets. The macro is used to
>>>generate code specifically for each color. It handles 16, 32, or 64
>>>colors.
>
>>[Some nice code for an "American" deleted :-)]
>
>I would like to retract the word nice from the above sentence.  I just took
>time to look at the code.  Please replace the word nice with slow.
>

Just remember, if you guys didnt speak english back in the 40's you'd
be a US protectorate too.  An island is an island, I always say...

michael p seifert, supra-genius
 
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From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:43:21 GMT

In article <david.0324@ariane.cam.org> david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
>In article <9746@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>
>> Uh, you're wrong. There are indeed a load of different number formats.
>> Let's take the above number plus decimals:
>> 4,500,000.00   US
>> 4.500.000,00   Germany
>> 4'500'000,00   Switzerland
>
>   And
>  4 500 000,00   Canada-french.
>

Egad, the french are in North America?  Why didnt we get rid of you 
during WWII after you fired on us in Algieria.  

Its never too late, you know.  We could run all the cowards out and 
sell Quebec to the Japanese.  At least they could fight....

michael p seifert, supra-genius
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: On another theme   (was: Re: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites?  Read this!)
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:22:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bw5GDz.K6s
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <18147@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier) writes:

[interesting article deleted]

>If you people want to see CBM and the Amiga survive beyond the AGA chipset 
>generation, WE loyal Amiga users MUST support software developers and vendors
>through buying the quality software that`s out there and letting them know 
>what you do/do not like about the product they sell.

Ok, but what can someone do to support the Amiga who has little funds?
A local dealer (Vons Computers) is considering pulling their Amiga support
because they don't get enought business on the Amiga side (surprise!), the
manager stated that the reason was that most Amiga owners were either
anal or poor.  I'd like to think the latter :)  Anyway, what can a person
who can't afford to buy BLAZEMONGER-4000 (well, I guess that's multi-
platform :) or any new hardware do to help the progress of the Amiga?
Sure, they could send letters, they could stage demonstrations at the UN
even.  But they can't give financial support.

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

PS:  going back over this it sounds like a sympathy plea.  If you hate that
sort of thing, then it isn't, however if you'd like to send a struggling
Ugrad, married, CS student some money for a 4000 then....

>-dk
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:15:55 GMT

In <OA92-901-306p1_08262692@piraya.bad.se> Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
>Sorry, but I must disagree. I've used a friend's A3000T, and HIS mouse pointer
>does not 'break up', or 'ghost' at all. I can play Offender (a Defender
>rip-off, runs at 50 frames/sec PAL resolution) without seeing the slightest
>breakup in the super-fast horizontal scrolling. The A3000's display enhancer
>is NOT like f.ex AdFFV from ICD, which shows an enormous amount of breakup in
>ALL horizontal movement, and to some extent also vertical.

Well, it will still break up when you use one of the _interlace_ modes. The
C= display enhancer is smart enought to avoid that effect when scan-doubling
non-interlaced displays but avoiding the effect always needs twice the memory.

Regards,
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Flaws?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:08:45 GMT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario

In article <jayson.03vf@tbag.tscs.com> jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips)
writes:
 
>Compared to the Falcon at 1/3 the cost:
>    - no SCSI
>    - no DSP
>    - no 16-bit sound
>    - no MIDI
>    - no network port

And the liabilities of the Falcon?

     - no corporate infrastructure
     - no software development
     - no distribution

It looks like it could be a nice machine. And, perhaps the best thing that has
happened to the Amiga (niche competition).
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:58:20 GMT

In <1992Oct7.193633.23984@imada.ou.dk> micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen) writes:
>BOTH A500 and ST520 have a "chipram" of around 512K - 4Mb, both systems
>have a transferrate from this memory of around 8 Mb/sec.

>Both systems use around half of this to update on the screen. Leaving 4Mb/s
>If the CPU and the Blitters want memory on the same bus one have to wait.
>- There are no magic in computers, and the 68000 uses the full 4Mb/s bandwidth.

Right, but even the chipmem-only A500 can access the system ROMs without
bus contention and the Amiga blitter can utilitize the full bandwidth (7.2MB/s)
during blanking periods (which is about 25% of a frame).

And if you add fast memory to the A500 the blitter runs concurrently to
your program. You can't add RAM to the 520ST and achieve the same effect.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Amigas(not 4000)?
From: dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer)
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:48:47 -0400
Organization: NRL SPACE SYSTEMS DIVISION

In article <1992Oct15.063333.43862@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> OK, we've all heard the rumors(or are the facts) that Commodore will
> be introducing new machines before Christmas and we've also heard 
> that the 4000 was a rush job. So what are the speculations on the 
> new machines? I mean this IS advocacy.;)  Are they going to basically
> be 4000's with a weaker CPU or are they going to include some of 
> the stuff that the 4000 couldn't because it was rushed.  I doubt
> that they have a SCSI II or anything but what about the DSP they're
> rumored to be working on? What about a new Paula so we can have REAL
> high density drives instead of this half speed crap.(Don't get me 
> wrong Commodore, half speed is better than no High density at all :))
> and maybe even better sound to boot:). Or what about a new ramsey so
> we can put more ram on the motherboard(or does ramsey not have anything
> to do with this?).  And is everyone assuming that the new models all
> have to necessarily be lower than the 4000?  Could commodore come 
> out with what the 4000 was suppose to be(namely changes stated above)?
> Come on, this is advocacy, you guys have degenerated a little too much
> into reality lately, lets hear some conjecture!@!!!!!! I just might wait
> till Cristmas till I buy my 4000!

Since we will understand "why they really picked IDE over SCSI" soon,
how about a .... LAPTOP? (as if IDE has much to do with this)
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.070441.23314@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> s64453@rmece49.upr.clu.edu (hernandez machado ricardo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.234559.18406@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>|> I must clarify though the the i486/25Mhz runs at 23Mhz internally
>|> as well as 25Mhz externally.  The 040/25Mhz runs at *50*Mhz
>|> internally and at 25 Mhz externally.  Therefore, this comparison
>|> really isn't vaild (whatever _that_ means :-)  ).  
>|>
>
>   From where you got this?  I mean, 68040 running internally at twice the speed...
>just curious!

An EE friend read it somewhere, and told me, and someone posted here pointing
this out.  You're the only one who has disputed it so far.  Several
people have talked aobut this before.

>
> - Raist


-- 
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 order to prove that you care. Or indeed why it should be neccessary to prove
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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: The A600 uses PCMCIA, here's why...
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:34:54 GMT

In article <u0HBsB6w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>
>> >Here in Sweden a small company called Hotline have developed a 
>> >fax-modem that fits in entirely in the PCMCIA. Not bad, eh?
>> 
>>   Intel has announced the same thing.  They are a not-so-small company
>> in the US. :-)
>
>But the Intel modem is not *entirely* inside the PCMCIA, right?
>It has a box with the line interface sitting outside.

  Your going to make me dig thru the trash looking for that issue of
PC Week? :-)

>And is Intels modem a faxmodem?

  As I recall (without digging) it was all on one card and it did have
fax capability.

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: New Amigas(not 4000)?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:48:42 GMT

>Now, if you add $200 for sound, $100 for SCSI and $300 for a de-interlacer,
>how much would the A4000 become?  $4000 suggested retail price?? or 
>$3400 street price?? now... that is a lot more expensive than a
>486 clone... I think Commodore is doing a right thing now:
>
>think about it, we can get an A4000 for $2800 today, and how much

	Consider yourself lucky.  My local dealers are selling the A4000
   for almost $500 more.

							G.Greene


>would a similarly configured 486 clone cost?? ~$2500.  Now, that's
>justifiable.  I would imagine a lot of people* wouldn't mind spending
>an extra $300 for an Amiga instead of a 486 clone.
>
>*the phrase "a lot of people" is refering to Amiga fans, ex-Amiga fans,
> potential Amiga fans, but not necessarily die-hard PC fans.
>
>Just my $.02 worth,
>Kelvin
>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu


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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:27:20 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

> Maybe PC owners have more interesting things to do with their computers
> than "show off"?  I, for one, prefer *using* my PC's multitasking ability
> over showing it off.

Having tried to multitask on PCs, my impression is that your *using* should be in
inverted commas.  ('course, I wasn't using a '786 w/ 17GB internal + 170TB virtual
mem :)

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(Better not let Marc Barrett see that sig...  Oh, I forgot, he only flames Amiga
owners)

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From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:00:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct12.122559.6360@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:

>Sigh.... The Quadras have never had a problem running 
>System 7.0.1, the OS they originally shipped with.  This is the same 
>version of the OS they are shipping with _today_.  

Sigh...is that why they rushed to get the 7.01 patches out in such a hurry?
I think you are mistaken.  The quadras were NOT "bug-free" when first shipped.
Just read a couple of posts on the mac newsgroups to confirm this.
And, System 7.1 is already out there.
I think it is the current system being shipped with the Quadras.

>If you believe what an Amiga salesperson 
>says about a Quadra, I've got some swampland I'd like to sell you. :)  In 
>my experience, most salespeople for one type of computer, are incredibly 
>ignorant about most other types of computers (and this goes for 
>salespeople for Macs, Amigas, PCs, etc.....).

I agree with what you said about salespeople, in general.
In my experience with most salespeople, they are even more hesitant to tell
you about any "bugs" with that $4000 dollar system that they are pushing
for their $40 sales commision.  It's not always the things that salemen
tell you, but rather what they don't tell you, that can "hurt" you.
And, why should he tell you about public domain software, when he can sell 
you a $200 commercial software package that might be beyond your needs?

Ever bought a car from a used car salesman?
....."Oh, the tires are a $50 option!"  ;)

Before I start a "flame-war", let me say that not all salespeople are this
way!  I've been a salesman, myself.  
How else do you think I'd know the "tricks"?

Everyone of us have probably gotten into a "heated" debate with some
MS-DOS fan and told them that the Amiga PERFECTLY emulated his operating
system.  What we failed to tell him was that:

1. Software emulation is slow as molasses in December!
2. Hardware emulation could be more expensive than a complete clone system!
   (I'm talking new, not bought used from a buddy)
3. #1&2 are SOMETIMES a pain in the %#% to install and get working perfectly.

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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:44:36 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) writes:

> So what do I care if some crazy hacker has enough time on his hands that
> he does just that.  I'm not going to use any of his products, because
> they won't be system friendly.  

Demos and games (that's what we are talking about here) will probably 
never be system friendly. But why bother that much? When the new chips 
are available those demos and games will be old and not of high 
interest.

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