From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: RE : MACEDONIAN NATI
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:10:00 GMT
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Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>and Slavic Maceodnians are not related. As for the SAS postings, they
>come from different sources, including some funny nutheads in
>Australia.

  Funny, but Usenet seems to be full of those 'nutheads'. SAS and Sasa
account for most of the vardari traffic on Usenet, and they both post
along the same party lines. Then we have the "Macedonian World Congress"
that SAS keeps telling us about, and they spell their claims about
Macedonia clearly.

 As for Sasa calling herself 'Alexander', she can post to prove me
wrong, if she wants to. In Greece, 'Sasa' is usually the familiar for
'Anastasia'.

  And if there is no relationship between the Vardaris and the Ancient
Macedonians, then why the use of the Vergina sun on their flag? The
'Sun' was found on Greek soil, on a coffin bearing Greek inscriptions,
in the grave of a man whose ancestors had proven their Greek ancestry in
front of the court in Olympia. (It was Alexander I, who came before
Philip and Alexander the Great, that proved himself to be an Argeiad).
What makes this a symbol of a Slavic country?

  And the maps of "Macedonia" showing large portions of Greece included
in them? And the calls of 'Solun is ours'? In Skopjie, the 'nutheads'
are in control.

This is from a NY TIMES article (2/3/92):

  Highlights are marked "*".

  BY MARLISE SIMMONS - Special to the New York Times.

  PHOTO: The Thessalonica White Tower.
* CAPTION: Greeks fear that Macedonian separatism in Yugoslavia
* could threaten their control over Salonica. Samples of New
* Macedonian currency that appeared recently showed Salonika's
* White Tower.

  ARTICLE:
   SALONICA, GREECE - In this thriving port normally brimming with
  confidence, Greeks are nervously talking about troubles brewing
  with their neighbours that could well tear open the oldest and
  perhaps most troublesome fault line running through the Balkans.
  [...]
   Now, the Yugoslav portion, which took the name Macedonia in 1945,
  is asking for international recognition as an independent country
  fanning Greek fears that Macedonian nationalism will threaten
  their control over this city and surrounding territory, the heart
  of the ancient Macedonian kingdom.
  [...]
   "Look at this! It's hideous!" said Ioannis Tsaluhidis, offering
  a map of "Independent Macedonia" with a seal describing it as
  having been published by the Macedonian National Liberation
* Army. On the map, the envisioned nation includes slices of
* eastern Albania and southwest Bulgaria, and a quarter of
* mainland Greece.
   [...]
*  Travelers returning from Skopje say that the slogan "Solun is
* ours," referring to Salonica by it's Macedonian name, has begun
* appearing in graffity on walls in that city.
   [...]
   In 1945, Athens protested when Tito, the Yugoslav president,
  carved a piece out of Serbia to diminish it's size and power
  and called it Macedonia to frustrate Bulgarian claims to the
* land. Textbook writers borrowed from Greek history and Bulgaria's
* Slavic language to help forge a "Macedonian" identity among the
* mix of ethnic Albanians, Serbs, Turks and Vlachs.

   While Macedonia was part of federal Yugoslavia, Athens did not
  worry much.

   But in the weeks since the Skopjie government asked for
  international recognition, Greek officials - including
  president Constantine Karamanlis, himself a Macedonian - have
  gone on a frantic diplomatic offensive to try to block the
  republic from calling itself Macedonia.
  [...]
   Some European diplomats believe that the small nationalist
  groups in Yugoslav Macedonia will produce little more than
  oratory. Others think Athens has a point.
  [...]
   Here in Salonica, the question arises again and again how a
  burstling industrial city of one million people - Greece's
  second city - can feel such suspicion and threat from a poor
* underdeveloped neighbor. The answer every time is that Salonicans
* are not afraid of today, but fear violence in the future.


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Michael
                                                      
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