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Subject: CBS tidbits/commentary
From: wmetz@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 3 Apr 92 22:37:11 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City


Just some interesting details:

	On ATWT, the child that became Sabrina was actually Kim's miscarriage,
which was later rewritten as a "stillborn."

	Also on ATWT, can anyone out there picture the character Lily FULLY
preggers?  Not just this actress, but just the character in general...My theory
is that she'll lose it when the truth about Aaron comes out and the process
will leave her unable to have any more...That would be typical soap style!

	On GL, contrary to recent comments, Eleni's family isn't Catholic, but
Greek Orthodox...very similar, but they tend to be quite a bit more liberal
about such things as birth control, etc.

	Also on GL, I doubt that they'll write Kip McHenry into the story line,
because they did mention he and Mary were killed at the same time in an
accident of some sort (I believe a car wreck).  On GL, this means very little
since they hold the record for bringing people back from the dead!  (Brandon 
Spaulding (twice), Roger Thorpe (only once officially, but several teasers),
Alan Spaulding (at least twice), etc...Who knows, GL has a reputation for
writing themselves out of tight spots regardless of consistency!

	On Y&R, is anyone else as peaved as I am about them shelving the 
stolen baby story to give time to Victor and Nikki?  Frankly, I can't take
much more of Victor stewing and Jack and Ashley talking about how wonderful
their lives/marriages are!  If I were Nikki, I'd stick with Jack!  Ashley
ought to fight Jill for Blade!  HA!

Wayne

(Do people actually like those soaps on other networks?)
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From: millersa@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Stacy Miller)
Subject: Re: DOOL -- Wed (4/15)
Keywords: Kayla and Rob!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:57:35 GMT

stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Kathy Stapleton) writes:

>     What was the purpose of that pseudo-lovescene with Larry and that
>maid? Just to prove to all of us that some men can go to bed with
>women and not feel anything at all????  (Notice, guys, I put the word
>"some" in there...so as not to offend Tim, Nelson, or any other male
>on the net :)  That was a worthless use of air time...!!!

	I don't know know, but it was sure quick.  One second they're on
the bed with their clothes on while Carly rings the doorbell, and in
about a minute they're unclothed, under the covers, and ready to smoke
their cigarettes.  It couldn't have taken Ivan very long to answer the
door and then fetch Lawrence.

>     Here's to a profitable association! Hip hip, hooray!  Maybe those
>two conneivers will get together in the long run (Larry and LB)....

I'm still rooting for Lawrence and Danielle.

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From: peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo)
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN, MAJOR MAJOR TAN: PLEASE HELLPPPPPP
Keywords: The net police are after me 	HELPPPPP.
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:08:41 GMT

In article <s7kt4INNm2g@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>
>Well, I am riting this in a hury so excuse mistakes.
>Is it a coincidence that Sis Onion left for California
>for a seminar, HUMM....[wait I hear a noise let me lock
>the door, THEY'RE NEAR]...I think NOT they got her, the
>most ardent one of us and they GOT her.  

[stuff deleted -- mostly theories about how everyone's gonna get "got" 
 by the net police deleted]

What's this Sally?  An attempt to cheer me up?  You *know* she'll be
back -- just like Stefano.  Actually, now that I think about it, this
must be an attempt to get me down 'cause if Ick...er...excuse me...
Vickie weren't around, who would I pick on?  Tee hee...I feel better
now that I thought it through.  Whew!

>So they are after me. I am going to be taken in and lose all
>net access for my sins.  Damn they are here, they are at my
>dor, HE
>
>       L
>	  L
>            L
>              L
>	       P
>
>I am getting this off for the others so others can know about
>the net police

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!  Hey, Spud, you out there?  Ain't heard a 
peep outta you since this post.  Even after the Evil Vince said he 
wanted to have a fling.  You baiting him?  :-)  Heh, heh.  Setting him 
up for the big fall?  Heh, heh.

>A Book of Verses underneath the Bough,   ||  Sally A. Wilson

Joanna.

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From: pmmuggli@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Pauline M Muggli)
Subject: AMC: TAN: the bostling (was Re: AMC: Who Killed Will?)
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:17:34 GMT

  alex@donne.unx.sas.com (Alexandra Bost) writes:
 
>Alex
>-- 
>  @                                | Alexandra Bost
> \|/                               |
>  O <----The Bostling              | E-mail:
>_/ \_    (appearing June 28th!)    | alex@unx.sas.com

alex, 

tell me i'm not going crazy, but i thought the date used to be
july 1st...  are you gonna keep moving up the dates?  i wanted a
july birthday for the bostling, 'cause my b-day is in july.

hope everything's going ok...

pauline "oh no, i'm gonna be 30 this year :)" muggli
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: AMC: Galen
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:02:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: kerry@is-next.umd.edu's message of 30 Mar 92 15:06:29 GMT


This is really a test, but I can do that and make a comment at the same
time.  New Galen = hot attitude, hot bod, luke looks, better acting.
Old Galen = vanilla lines, unknown but suspect bod, great face, inconsistent
but amusing acting (kept you on your toes).  Right now I kinda miss Ms. USA.
Hope this works.
From: noonan@sonata.enet.dec.com (Costumes & Makeup & Kliegs, oh my!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Supernatural experience
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:12:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <ku8menINNo45@skat.usc.edu>, marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks) writes...
> 
> 
>>         .sigless E, excited
> 
>Calm down.  It's just a soap :-)
> 
>-- 
>  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>  / Louise Marks                          Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu    /
>  / University of Southern California     BITNET:   marks@uscvm           /
>  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////




         But!  But!  But! butbutbut!!!!!!!!

         It's MY soap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



         caffeine.....I need caffeine


         .sigless E
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From: haley@redcloud.scd.ucar.edu (Mary Lee Haley)
Subject: Y&R
Reply-To: haley@redcloud.scd.ucar.edu (Mary Lee Haley)
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:05:41 GMT


Sorry guys, but I will be unable to post an update for Wednesday,
April 8.  If you like, I can post an update for today or tomorrow,
however.  In fact, since my Wednesday's have gotten extremely busy,
I would like to trade my update-day for another day.  Any takers?

Thanks!

Mary Haley
haley@ncar.ucar.edu
From: hav1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Helen A Vydra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL
Keywords: SOW (I think)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:24:02 GMT
Reply-To: hav1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Helen A Vydra)
Organization: Columbia University

I for one thought J. Eddy Peck was terrible.  I would definitely
not want him back.
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From: peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo)
Subject: Re: DOOL:  TAN:  The 50 States
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:28:32 GMT

In article <j7jt204@zuni.esd.sgi.com> wendy-o@SGI.COM writes:
>Well I am originally from Gig Harbor, Washington but i am in California now!
>
>Back to lurking.

Oh, come on...stop that lurking business!  :-)

>wendy-o@kodiak.esd.sgi.com     Silicon Graphics, Inc
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Does this mean you
							have an Indigo 
							sitting on your
							desk?  Sigh.....I
							want one!  :-)  

Joanna.

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From: noonan@sonata.enet.dec.com (Costumes & Makeup & Kliegs, oh my!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Patsy Pease on Maury Povich Show
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:15:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr9.151820.16783@cbnews.cb.att.com>, amyl@cbnews.cb.att.com (amy.lanning) writes...

>  She said her current plans were to stay home
>and care for her 17-month-old son who has "special needs".  
>Anyone know what's wrong with him?
> 
>Amy (yes, another Amy)
> 


         Yes.  Her son, when born, was given only a 10% chance of
         living.  She had a troubled pregnancy, which is why she
         refused to do the harrowing story line they wanted her to do. 
         She felt it was hard enough on her the *last* time she was
         pregnant, and that wasn't a problem pregnancy.

         Her son, Russell, was born with a heart defect as I recall.


         .sigless E
From: mcconiha@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Susan L. McConihay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: DOOL: Deidre Does Dennis (Miller Show)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:51:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Apr16.155155.19285
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Anybody else catch Deidre on Dennis Miller last night?

What was that vile orange leather creation she was wearing?

To those who didn't see it, they spent more time talking about
her new husband than DOOL, and when they did, all she mentioned
was the Roman-dressed-up-as-the-housekeeper stuff.....

Susan
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From: mcconiha@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Susan L. McConihay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: DOOL:WDAY- all Dani top 10
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:03:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Apr8.230314.822
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


          WDAY FM 100.1      Salem's Hottest Radio
            
            Program Directors: Susan McConihay
                               Timothy Mizerak


Good News!! The transmitter is fixed! 

DANIELLE'S TOP 10
==============================
 1. All She Wants Is (Duran Duran)
 2. Everything She Wants (Wham!)
 3. Material Girl (Madonna)
 4. For The Love Of Money (Ojays)
 5. MONEY (Fabulous Thunderbirds)
 6. Do You Remember (Phil Collins)
 7. Make A Move On Me (Olivia Newton-John)
 8. I'm Not Perfect, But I'm Perfect For You (Grace Jones)
 9. Chocolate Cake (Crowded House)
10. Memory (Barbra Streisand)

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 15:10:55 EDT
From: <PRH100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: GL: trivia-6 -- Simon Hall
Distribution: na
 <1992Apr16.162452.10181@midway.uchicago.edu>

I thought that Simon was Alex's half-brother and NOT Lujack's.
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From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Newell)
Subject: Re: DOOL -- Danielle vs. Ickenstein
Organization: Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:12:46 GMT

In article <cds5niG00Uh7A2N4Rc@andrew.cmu.edu> lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liz Fox) writes:
>
>[Onion Soup not Nana Split]
> 
>Doesn't that subject line look like a title for a bad Japanese monster
>movie??
> 
>You know I have been reading with extreme interest some of the bashes
>of Danielle.  There seems to be an opinion floating around that she
>is conniving and that she is lying to Drake.  I have just one favor to
>ask of you folks doing the bashing.  Compare her behavior to Ick.  On
>second thought, I'll do it for you.
> 

[stuff deleted]

> 
>Oh and you think Ick loves Drake and Danielle doesn't??  I don't know.  If
>I loved a man as desperately as she says she does, the first thing I'd
>do is take care of his child.  

I have yet to be convinced that Dani loves John.  All her conversations
with Gabby lead me to believe that she is just using her past relationship
with John to get what she believes is rightfully hers.  She really acts
seductive and like she really love John but I think the majority of the
intrigue with her character is that we do not really know what she is
thinking, what she feels and why she is doing the things she is!  It
wouldn't be exciting if we knew that Dani really loved John and wanted him
back not would it be if we knew that she was only after something else.
This of course is all MHO.

>In addition, I have been a Drake fan since I started watching this show.
>I have never seen him so flat and lifeless as he is with Staci Greason
>(with the possible exception of the woman who played Olivia).  They have
>NO CHEMISTRY.  Whether you like Deborah Moore or not, he shows more life
>and excitement with her than I have seen in years from him.  With her he
>gets all hot and bothered.  And frankly, I watch this show to see him get
>all hot and bothered.

I totally agree with you here.  

>Bitter Onion

Onion, please don't be bitter, we will off IzzywillyouhelpmywithLamazeclass
someday!  :-)

>PS Will someone tell me what is going on with the credits?  A few weeks
>   ago Daniel Pilon's name was misspelled several times.  This week Lynn
>   (not Lynne) Herring's name was wrong.  What?  Deidre's salary was so
>   much that they couldn't afford a proofreader for the credits??

Hee, hee, hee   :-)


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From: schwinge@utkvx3.utk.edu (schwinge, angela m)
Subject: GL:  Spoilers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:12:00 GMT

Spoilers:





Here is some information from SOD from the VCR ALERT section:

Tuesday, April 21, is an eventful day on GL.  First, Hamp and Gilly find
themselves in close quarters, but are unaward that they're being watched. 
Meanwhile, Jack locks himself in a closet with Vanessa--will she give in to his
demands?  Things look brighter for Vanessa the following day.  Tune in on
Wednesday, April 22, as she finally shares a kiss with Fletcher.  And Eleni is
beginning to see the light regarding Blake.  On Friday, April 24, Eleni accuses
Blake of tipping off the immigration authorities, and the two women face
off.....There's a big suprise in store for Nick, thanks to Roger's
machinations--a face from his past is back in town.  How will Springfield's
hottest newscaster react when he hears this tidbit?  Find out on Monday, April
27.

There is also a section on May's Hottest Stories for the Sweeps:

Hot Plot:  Whatever Alexandra wants, Alex gets.  Her big scheme:  using Roger
to break up Nick and Mindy.  And, suprisingly, the plan will start to work,
especially when Roger brings in a wild card---Nick's estranged flame, Eve.

Torrid Triangles:  Nadine's secrets will take their toll on her marriage.  Will
she push Billy into Vanessa's arms?  Meanwhile, the AM/Eleni/Frank conflict
will continue, with a suprising twist.

Issues and Intrigue:  Vanessa's rape trial will raise some very real questions
about women's rights, privacy and the First Amendment.  The emergence of tough
defense attorney Rebecca Nash will put a new spin on this courtroom drama. 
Meanwhile, newlyweds Hamp and Gilly will receive an unexpected, mysterious
visitor.  Who is this person, and how will the Speakeses relationship be
affected?  Harley and Mallet's romance will be put on hold as they use their
police smarts to capture Jenna the jewel thief.

Just some tidbit information.  Hope everyone has a great Easter weekend!!

Angela
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From: millersa@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Stacy Miller)
Subject: DOOL: Violent Bo
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:38:15 GMT


What is it with Bo these days (pun not intended)?  The only way he knows how
to deal with a problem is to threaten to punch it.  I'm particularly ticked
off that he has the gall to speak to Rob the way he has.  After all, Rob is
trying to prevent the hospital going under, but Bo can only think of poor
little Carly being bothered.  As L.B Gardner put it, Carly will be the 
hospital's downfall.  Then Bo thinks that if he can talk real tough to 
L.B., then she will be so scared and run off?  Or that saying "leave Carly
alone; she's having a bad day" will help?  Anyone with half a brain would know
that you don't go right up to the lawyer who's suing you and tell them some
details of your personal life so they can use it against you in court later.

Also, I was hoping that Shawn D. would elaborate a little bit more on his quote,
"you're leaving again?"  Instead, he says he misses Carly.  Why the hell is Bo
flying all the way to California (or wherever the environmental lecture is) to
be with Carly since Lawrence is there?  She's managed to rebuff him when Bo was
gone for a couple of months, so I'm sure she can do it for a couple of days
more.  After all, Icky is trying to get info on Danielle and Bo doesn't seem
to be doing much to help her.  In fact, how is he going to pay for all this?
I realize Hope was rich, but I don't think she was rich enough for them to
sail around the world, go to Mexico, etc.  Not to mention, Carly isn't going
to have a job when she finally does came back to Salem. Poor Rob, he hasn't
even been able to find where she got her medical degree from. Itt's going
to be mighty difficult to prove that the hospital wasn't negligent in hiring
her as head of the trama center (how long has she actually been at work since
the trama center opened?).  Bo and Carly are some of the most selfish people
I have known that pretend to be "good guys."  They blow off the lawsuit, 
which affects others, they blew off their family, friends, and Shawn D. when
Bo returned, and they blow off work.  These two need a good dose of punishment.
Ideally, Shawn D. will leave Bo early and never consider him to be a good father
while Carly should lose her license.  Bo has always gotten away with things,   
such as the time he was the "Riverfront Raider" and put spikes in trees (which
could possibly injure someone working) and John (Roman) tried to cover it up.

That's my b*tch session for the day since I have to go pick my sister up at
the bus stop.
  
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From: rforster@mr.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: Y&R stupid question
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:18:59 -700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <12379@umd5.umd.edu>, ap72@linus.umd.edu (CMSC 330) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.121125.24194@access.digex.com> heidi@access.digex.com (Heidi Walsh) writes:
> 
> I think the name of the lawyer was Michael Crawford.  However, I do not know
> what happened to him because I haven't watch the soap in a while.
> 
>                                                           Hal :^}
	Michael Crawford, just sort of vanished.  There was no reason given.
	The actor is now doing Chevy commercials for the Washington State area.

        /Russ
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From: jql@cypress.com (Julie Lewis--Applications)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: The Suspect List and Addendum R.A.T.S. List
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:20:47 GMT
Reply-To: jql@cypress.com.UUCP (Julie Lewis--Applications)
Distribution: na
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA

In article <756@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com> wolfson@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Steve Wolfson) writes:
>How about Will,  we could have Will so warped he committed suicide
>just to get back at everyone else. Just a thought..


With a crowbar?  I kinda doubt it.


-- 
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	hunter s. thompson
	on clinton's comment that he smoked pot but didn't inhale.
From: mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu (Mark A. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: Y&R CARS
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:12:38 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


	About the JABOT 1 plate.  That is most likely a company car, rather
than Jack's personal one.  People don't usually put their company's name
one their own car.  Now, it may be that Jack is the one who always DRIVES
the JABOT 1 car, but he probably has his own car that he left at work or
something.

GIVE ERIC AN EMMY.

mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu                                   Texas A&M University 
                A Sooner in a strange place called "Aggieland"
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From: bab2@rigel.uucp (80700s-barter)
Subject: Re: DOOL:Wednesday (4/8)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:34:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.225127.29605@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, mcconiha@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Susan L. McConihay) writes:
> 
> CONTINUITY ERROR-- ShawnD's cake had 6 candles on it- by
> following the Classics, I think it should've been 5.

Sue, Sue, Sue, that was the one for good luck!  I'll bet Shawn-D
wished for a Papa who paid more attention to him and a birthday
party next year that had kids as guests.
> 
> Bo mentioned Hope!!! ShawnD remembered that Carly is
> notthemama ( :-) to anyone who knows where that's from)- at 
> least somebody in the writing team remembers.....

Thank goodness!
> 
> Susan and her alter ego Apple Blossom Peel

Beth
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