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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Re^2: mrmrks and beating a dead horse ...
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 16:06:42 GMT
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In article <3608@novavax.UUCP> grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) writes:
>
>Wrong. Read a few books published recently on intelligence.
>This issue has hardly been settled in the minds of psychologists,
>and to state otherwise is a blatant lie. I enjoy how you
>support your articles posted here with opinion rather than

This is usenet, it is a gab-festival and always has been.  
It isn't a refereed journal and there is certainly no warranty
(express or implied) on anything here.

>fact. It makes for good lunch-time reading.

Despite the sarcasm, you ARE reading it.

>I wonder why people insist on arguing from ignorance, Scott..
>
>Is it because they couldn't get into Mensa?

I *hate* this phrase.  Hate it hate it hate it.  
It's so *unworthy*.  And it starts score-posting frenzies, which
don't do a damn thing for the level of conversation.  No wonder
I can only skim this group every few months.  Nice going!
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Issac Asimov
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:00:37 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <08Apr92153143@miracle.UUCP> phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:
}Most of you know that Issac Asimov died earlier this week at the age of 72.
}Issac was a member of Mensa for many years.  (About two years ago, he decided to not renew his membership, citing poor health and that he was no
}longer seeing any benefit for remaining a member [Unable to attend functions].  At the time, Mensa was probably getting more mileage from his
}membership [Did you know that Issac Asimov is a member!] than he was getting from us).  He was very active in Boston Mensa (my chapter - sadly way before
}my time) when Mensa was just being formed in the US.  He was also very active
}in New York Mensa.  He was renowned for leaching after young women at RG/AGs.

He sucked their blood?  No, that's leeching.  Um ...  I guess you meant
leching.  I doubt that's in the dictionary either, but it derives from
"lecher", "lecherous", etc.  In other words, Asimov was a dirty old man --
and proud of it.  He even wrote a book on the theme: _The Sensuous Dirty
Old Man_.

}So I was wondering if anyone has any good Issac/Mensa stories out there to
}share with us.

Most of them he told on himself.  An example, relevant to the leching
theme, is a remark he made to a young lady when allowing her to precede
him out of an elevator: "My dear, I think of you as a daughter.  I
incest."

As I recall, he held the title of Honorary International Vice(?) President
of Mensa for many years.

}We shall all miss the good Dr. Asimov very much.

Indeed we shall.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@soldev.tti.com)
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From: hellmond@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Peter H. Hellmonds)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: how to read rec.org.mensa in two minutes per day!
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:22:00 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

After browsing through the 133 postings in rec.org.mensa today
with my threaded news reader (trn) I ended up killing all but one
article and was done within two minutes. Wonder when we'll ever
get anything worthwhile to read.

-- Peter (for the humor-impaired --> :-)  )


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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Asimov (used to be Re: decimal prefix)
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:39:41 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Kalle Kaukonen writes about "Asimov (used to be Re: decimal prefix)" to All
 [12 Apr 92 12:23]

KK> BTW there has been some conversation about Mr. Asimov. Is his 
KK> name _really_ written "Issac" in English?? When I first saw it 
KK> I thought it was just an unfortunate error, but everyone (appr. 
KK> 6?) who has written about him has spelled "Issac".

No, it is "Isaac."  "Issac" was a typo that no one bothered to correct.

KK> The name seems to be of a Russian origin (?) and the only rational 
KK> explanation I could find, was that the name is transliterated 
KK> from cyrilic letters to Arabic differently to Finnish than to 
KK> English... Although I think this is _more than highly_ improbable.... 

"Asimov" is of Russian origin and the closest translation would be "Winterson".
 "Isaac" is of Hebrew origin.
 
/207 143/207
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"The views expressed above are those of Mike Steiner only."
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: IQ Statistics und SAT, G
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 16:53:54 -0500

colinr@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Colin Rose) writes:

CR> After searching through over a thousand messages in this group,
CR> I have managed to glean that IQ is the normal random variable with
CR> mean of 100 (by convention), and standard deviation somewhere
CR> around 20. If mensa membership is restricted to the top 2% of the
CR> distribution, then these figures imply that the entry criterion to
CR> mensa is an IQ of 141. Is this the actual figure?

Depends on exactly which test; they have different standard deviations.
The figures range, I think, from 131 to 148.

CR> If you can tell me the
CR> entry requirement, and if mensa IS restricted to the top 2%
CR> of the population, then I can work out the implied standard deviation.

It is limited to the top 2% of each given test.  That is, you will be
accepted if you score in the top 2% of *ANY* accepted test.  This means
that we accept well over 2% of the entire population, due to differences
between tests (and between performances of any given person), but what
the real figure is, nobody knows for sure....

From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Fwd: Harsh Language in Recent Post
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 01:27:48 -0500

Mike Steiner wrote:

 MS> You always had the option of "affirming" rather than "swearing,"

dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu (David O Hunt) replies:

 DOH> Actually, the person who swore me in didn't mention this option...

 The standard American response would be to sue his ass off for
 violating your religious freedom.... B-(*)
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Is Mensa a potential sh*tlist?
Date: 4 Apr 92 01:50:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: railnet.ZaooiB5w164w
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 883 6298

commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (BACS Data Communications Group) writes:

> ...
> 
> How secure is Mensa's membership list?

American Mensa's roster is published in print every year.

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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Issac Asimov
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:54:51 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Costumes & Makeup & Kliegs, oh my! writes about "Re: Issac Asimov" to All  [12
Apr 92 12:23]

C&M>   And me. One must never forget *me*!

Who could ever forget *you*?
 
/207 143/207
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From: keroche@unix1.tcd.ie (Faust II)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A REAL CHALLENGE: Fermat's last theorem..
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:43:22 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr10.175442.1674@fx.com> raphael@fx.com (Glen Raphael) writes:

>cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:
>>While we're talking puzzles, Here's some really challenging stuff
>>for you to figure out..

>>(TO the best of my knowledge) Fermat, one of the great mathematicians
>>in history, discovered the following theorem: (the '3' is a cube sign)
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 3      3                    3 
>>a   +  b    can NEVER equal c 

>>where a,b, and c are non - equal, non - zero integers.
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
It was 'a to the n' as far as I know.  

>>There was a little note added to the theorem:

>>" and I've found a really neat way of proving this "
>>or at least, something to that effect.
>[...]

>Yeah; I spent a few weeks on it back in high school. Actually, I proved it.
>The proof *is* elegant, but a bit on the long side. I'll see if I have time
>to type it in later...

Don't do that ! Copyright it, and get a noble prize before
you send it in. (assuming you're right)

>Glen Raphael
>raphael@fx.com

Faust II
keroche@unix1.tcd.ie
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: explanation:: decimal prefix
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:43:19 GMT
 <1992Apr10.011309.27101@Cadence.COM>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Apr10.011309.27101@Cadence.COM>, phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
says:
>
>        Power of 10     Prefix  Symbol
>
>             1          deka      da
>             2          hecto     h
>             3          kilo      k
>             6          mega      M
>             9          giga      G
>            12          tera      T
>            15          peta      P
>            18          exa       E
>


 I take my hat off to you for finding "peta" and "exa", but
while we are at it, here is the meaning of these prefixes
from the Greek:

     deka (or deca)  = ten
     hecto           = hundred
     kilo            = thousand

so far rather straight forward and dull, but it now gets
interesting:

     mega            = great, mighty
     giga            = giant
     tera            = monster

can't wait to find out what "peta" and "exa" meant to the Greeks,
but it must have been something real big !!!  :-)

Jose L. Martinez
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Subject: Re: TIME TRAVEL
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:33:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.013349.20476@ncsu.edu> cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:
>
>From what I remember, this person ( a reasonably reliable guy )
>told me he'd read about a Navy experiment (in Time, I think) that
>took place sometime soon after the second world war. A battleship
>(which is pretty much mostly metal)  was wired up to act as a
>gigantic electro - magnet and moved to some distance from the shore 
>so that it was still pretty clearly visible.  When current was passed
>(and this huge electro magnet activated), people on the shore reported
>seeing the ship  disappear, then reappear . . I think this happened a
>number of times. It was believed that the ship had, momentarily, 
>TRAVELLED IN TIME before returning to the present. Those people on 
>board the ship at the time were found to be severely disoriented, and
>I'm not sure if they recovered. 


AAARRGH! Not again! This whole thing was Hashed, rehashed, and
Ronco-vegamatic-ed on sci.misc about three months ago and was the reason
I finally unsubscribed to that group! Can't anyone intesrested in this
locate the archive for that group and just read it?  Please!!?? <:-(

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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Acceptable Test Scores
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:06:24 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Following is an up-to-date listing of acceptable test scores for admission to
Mensa, as indicated on their most recent brochure.  Also shown are acceptable
scores for Intertel and the ISPE, for comparison.   Someone had questioned the
appicability of the GMAT, which used to be a listed test; please note that Mensa
now has this test in the Individual appraisal category.  Also keep in mind that
this is not a comprehensive listing for any of the three organizations.

Test                 Mensa  Intertel  ISPE 
                     (98)  (99)     (99.9)
CTMM                 132   136      150
CTCS                  132
SAT (before 9/77)   1300  1375      752 average of scores
SAT (after 9/77)    1250  ????     ????
GRE                  1250   1300       727 average of scores
LSAT (before 1982)    662   694       764
LSAT (after 1982)      39   ????      ????
ACT  (before 1992)     29
MAT Raw Score          66     74        89
Stanford Binet Fm L-M 132    136
WAIS and WISC         130    135
Otis-Lennon           132
Otis-Gamma            131
AGCT (before 10/80)*  136    145        157 raw (prior to 1976 only)
Cattell                48    156        172
GMAT                                    746 average of scores

Mensa lists the AGCT as a test requiring individual acceptance as the below-listed
tests are.  I put it in the above list with the score that was accepted at the
time the test was listed officially in the above--for comparison with the other
two organizations's acceptable scores.

The above information is from the latest brochures available from the three
organizations.  Mensa also says that the following tests may be accepted subject
to individual appraisal of the dcoumentation by Mensas Supervisory Psychologists:

Henmon-Nelson
GMAT
NY State Regents Scholarship Test (Aptitude Section only)
Medical College Admission Test
Cattell Culture Fair
SRA Primary Mental Abilities
Navy GCT (before 10/80)

Mensa reserves the right to alter or modify these norms as the tests indicated
are renormed or restandardized.
 
/207 143/207
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From: lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A REAL CHALLENGE: Fermat's last theorem..
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:28:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40

In article <1992Apr6.020038.21270@ncsu.edu>, cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes...
> 
>While we're talking puzzles, Here's some really challenging stuff
>for you to figure out..
> 
>(TO the best of my knowledge) Fermat, one of the great mathematicians
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 3      3                    3 
>a   +  b    can NEVER equal c 
> 
>where a,b, and c are non - equal, non - zero integers.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

 Fermat's last theorem is 

  n      n        n
 a   +  b   /=/  c      a,b,c,n are integers,  /=/ is not equals, n>2

 It is to my knowledge never been proven, but has been shown to be true for
up to large values of n.

larry henling  lmh@shakes.caltech.edu

[Yes, I used to dream of (dis)proving it as well.]
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Subject: Re: A Truly International Gathering
Keywords: Mensa in Holland
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:00:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193157.23279@infonode.ingr.com> crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross) writes:
>
>What are your favorite RGs??  Mine are in approximate order:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Asilomar			Monterey, CA
>HalloweeM			Chicago, IL
>Feast of Pleasures & Delights	Dallas, TX
>Snowball			central NJ
>Alabama RG			Huntsville, AL
>Wholly Toledo			Toledo, OH
>Mid Winter Madness		Washington, DC
>

I too am fond of Snowball and Mid-Winter Madness. Great Dismal Swamp in
Virginia Beach, VA (the 2nd one--i.e. the actual first one--long story on
that--was my first ever RG...hooked me for life) is fine, and the
All-Carolinah! (moves around NC and SC) is usually pretty good also. Two
of my long-time favorites are Rivers Three RG in Pittsburgh, PA over
Labor Day, and the Pocono RG in Allentown, PA over Memorial Day. Hmmm,
Pocano has probably been the most consistently excellent RG for me, part
of which has to do with the venue.

Actually, now that I consider it, I don't think I've ever been to a
totally rotten gathering (missed NY in '86, but I do know folks that had
a fine time there). Some are better than others at one or more facets of
G-operations, but mostly it's the people that make the thing worth it for
me. 

If I ever win the lottery (guess I'd better start buying tickets if I
expect that to happen, eh?) I'd like to take off and see how many RGs I
could go to in a row before I just couldn't stand it any more and had to
go home. Bet it would be a _bunch_! Wonder who presently holds the record
for consecutive RGs attended?
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: How to join?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:02:57 GMT

Actually, the "Boys in Brooklyn" are mostly women--just thought
you'd want to know. :^)

Also, as far as I know, the 1-800-66MENSA number is still
functioning.  If you want to be sure of getting an answer,
just call 718-934-3700.
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)

"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa,alt.atheism
From: perry@apollo.hp.com (Jim Perry)
Subject: Re: Brainwashing (was Re: IQ and religious belief)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:29:58 GMT

In article <22905@goofy.Apple.COM> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>
>Anyone who has had an argument chain with Jarek knows that it's nearly
>a full time job trying to follow his logical twists and constant
>references to old emails, Jarek FAQ lists, hidden meanings in sub titles
>and all kinds of rat nests.

I tend to agree here; arguments with Jarek are challenging in a way no
others I've seen are.  It also seems that the twists and turns take on
dominance, detracting from the main thrust of the discussion, whatever
that may be.

>I personally believe that if someone has a clear idea, he or she is
>able to present it clearly. Otherwise they are just trying to cover
>any possible gaps in their though.

I don't agree here, though.  Trying to express how one's subjective
mind works to another who may work differently seems to be fraught
with unclarity, to say the least.  I can only go so far in
understanding my own thoughts and motivations, and don't pretend to a
"clear idea" of how my own mind works, let alone the ability to
present it clearly or persuasively to others.  I don't think that
attributing that inability to dishonesty or foolishness is
appropriate, even though that is a natural reaction.  If I were to add
to your list of Jarek-isms I would include the tendency to claim
"victory" when an argument collapses into confusion; I suspect this is
the same thing.
-- 
Jim Perry   perry@apollo.hp.com    HP/Apollo, Chelmsford MA
This particularly rapid, unintelligible patter
Isn't generally heard, and if it is it doesn't matter!
From: noonan@sonata.enet.dec.com (Costumes & Makeup & Kliegs, oh my!)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Issac Asimov
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:55:54 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <08Apr92153143@miracle.UUCP>, phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes...
>  He was renowned for leaching after young women at RG/AGs.
> 
> 
>We shall all miss the good Dr. Asimov very much.
                       ^^^^
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Phil Hill                     | "All you people in TV land,           |



         I know, I know.  I'm over sensitive, right?


         .sigless E
From: hollombe@soldev.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Just one guy's opinions
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:46:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttidca.34358
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Apr7.024611.22333@uc.msc.edu> eab@uh.msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) writes:
}sure, the brighter kids do alot for the less bright kids, when mixed all
}together.  ...

Actually, that's not necessarily so.  At least one study has shown that F
students are better helped by C students than A students.  The F students
need to be taught basic skills -- things the A students do instinctively,
but the C students know they have to work at.  Thus, mixing A students in
with F students benefits neither.  The F students will only become more
discouraged and disruptive and the A students will become bored and
disruptive.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: The purpose of this newsgroup (was Re: TIME TRAVEL)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:44:57 GMT

In article <702648459.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) wrote:
>  DA> Maybe we should send Scott Tai and gmc to Being Hit
>  DA> on the Head lessons!
> 
> Phil replies:
> 
>  PH> I'd prefer it if we just drop the 16T weight on their heads.
> 
>  Maybe lessons on How Not To Be Seen?

That would be two doors down on the left, "Putting /T/ In Front
of Your Title" Lessons.

GMS
From: eab@uh.msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Who's in charge here?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:06:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: uc.1992Apr8.230608.13525
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center

I am in charge of this newsgroup.  But I haven't been doing anything,
and I won't, until I start getting my $50/month/subscriber moderator
fees.  This was a small footnote to the news group proposal, which
may or may not have made it to your site.

 :-)

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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Who's in charge here?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:01:08 -0500

Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG writes to Phil Hill:

[horrible waste of bandwidth deleted - well maybe not so horrible; it did waste
bandwidth rather WELL.... B-) ]

 MS> if you really want someone to take charge, let Dave Aronson do it;
 MS> he's got the experience--he's the HFMIC of the Fidonet Mensa echo,

HFMIC?  High-Falutin' Mucketymuck In Charge?