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From: APARKER@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Killing with Kindness
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:25:35 GMT
 <1992Nov10.183554.12361@ultra.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Nov10.183554.12361@ultra.com>, jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley) says:
>
>I had heard from some people, for example, that African cichlids
>do better in a tank with infrequent changes, and then from others
>that you really need to do frequent changes.
>
** What African cichlids, ESPECIALLY Tanganyikans, are actually intolerant
of is LARGE water changes (over 25% or so).  For this reason, if you have a cro
wded (grow-out or whatever) tank and want to do a 50%/week water change you rea
lly should do 20%/three days instead, etc.

AP (aparker@maine.maine.edu)
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From: obrien@laima.aa.washington.edu (Scott O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Grounding Tanks
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.153439.12967
Reply-To: obrien@laima.aa.washington.edu (Scott O'Brien)
Organization: U of Wash Dept of Aeronautics and Astronautics

>      I would seriously consider buying Sandpoint's (or another company's)
|> grounding system.  The metal object that you place in the tank must
|> be of exceptional quality (especially if its going into a marine tank).
|> I've heard stories of people buying the highest quality stainless steel
|> they could find, and they still noticed spots of corossion within a
|> week or two.  If this happens in a marine tank you run the risk of
|> killing everything in the tank.

There are two types of stainless steel, fast rusting and slow rusting.  Never
put metals into your tank if they can be avoided.  However, there are some
conducting ceramics around now that may do the trick (they are $$$$$$) or 
you might try a graphite rod.


Scott

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language may not be used by contestants when addressing members of the
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  -- Mudgeeraba Creek Emu-Riding and Boomerang-Throwing Assoc.(fortune)
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From: wmack@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William J Mack)
Subject: Re: Amonia
Summary: Whoa!  Dont dump your coppersafe down the toilet
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:53:25 GMT

In article <Nov.9.10.26.15.1992.24306@remus.rutgers.edu>, bjkramer@remus.rutgers.edu (Brian Kramer) writes:
> 
> I just added a product called CopperSafe to my tank to treat ICK and 
> realized it was a big mistake since it supposedly kills all the
> bacteria.  Therefore my amonia has shot up.  What I need is a
> suggestion on how to fix the problem since there are over 25 fish
> in the 55 gallon tank and no temporary place for the to be put to
> clean out the tank.  Is this really the result of the copperSafe?
> If so that company is going to get a big nasty letter.  They
> claimed it is the safest ICK medicine and nowhere do they state
> it'll ruin the biological cycle. 

Coppersafe is made by mardel labs and from what I understand the products they
market are tested much more than most medications out there.  I believe I read
once (this is something mardel says) that absolutely none of their products willkill nitrosomonos (sp?) and nitrobacter.

I have used coppersafe (freshwater) before with great success and never
observed an increase in ammonia levels.  I would be interested to know where
you heard that it kills bacteria.  I think you also mentioned something about
cleaning out your tank - relax, unless you added some outrageous ammount there
is no need, just do some periodic water changes to remove the copper.

I really have a lot of confidence in Mardel products, and most people I have 
talked to have had success with their products also.  I swear by maracyn and
maracyn II, although I dont claim they are the be all end all of medications
either.  Good Luck.

-- 
Bill Mack                        "If you expect me to be an expert on the
School of Electrical Engineering  fundamentals while I'm asking a fundamental
Purdue University                 question....then fine, I'll pretend to be one"
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From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: (M) Liquid Gold--Theil
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:44:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.000817.28769@news2.cis.umn.edu> sdebol@htlv.med.umn.edu (Steven Debol (Nelson)) writes:
>A friend of mine doesn't have access to the network and wanted
>me to post a question.  
>
>He added a product called Liquid Gold from Theil to his reef
>tank.  The tank has been set up for over a year and a half.
>Shortly after added the Liquid Gold he said large amounts of
>hair algae have been growing.  He said his nitrates and
>phosphates are essentially zero.
>
>He said Theil does not list the ingredients of this product
>and wondered if anyone out there knows what it contains that
>would cause this algae to grow.
>

Don't use it.  Liquid nutrients are just that.  The goal of a 
reef tank is to minimize nutrients so dumping jars of it into 
the tank is counterproductive.  I've never used the stuff, but 
have heard entirely negative comments from those that have.


-- 
--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 621-8240----------------
Paul A. Prior    Ban anchors, not reef tanks    Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus  
3rd year medical student		        
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: livings@unislc.uucp (Ross Livingston)
Subject: Re: THE NITRITES ARE DROPPING! THE NITRITES ARE DROPPING!!!!!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Reply-To: livings%unislc.uunet.uu.net
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:49:34 GMT

Scott Colbath (scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com) wrote:
:
: Well, I tested tha tank yesterday afternoon and the nitrite level has dropped
: from the mega lethal zone >4ppm on the color key to the just kinda deadly zon
: at about 2 ppm. It was nice to see the dry tab test look something other than
: dark purple for a change. I am hoping that they will be down further in anoth
: day or so so I can start looking for a new fish or two.

I know how you feel.  My tank has been 5 weeks now.  The cycle hasn't taken
place quite as I'd expected.  Of coarse, since this is my first tank, I really
didn't know what to expect!

Here's the setup:
55g; [F]; 4 Large zebra danios; 80 deg F; feed once daily or every two days;
trickle filter; water turns over 6 times / hour.

Here's a brief synopsis of what happened:

Date    Ammonia Nitrite Nitrate         What I was saying to myself
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
9/28     0.0      0.0     0.0           Obviously, since I just set it up!
10/3      .5     trace     -            - means not tested
10/5     1.0       .25     -
10/9     1.75      .15     -
10/13    1.4       .25     -            Oh good, ammonia sloping off
10/18    1.5       .25     -            Still not much nitrite
10/26     .5       .35    0.0           I wonder when the nitrates will show
10/30     .5      3.0     0.0           Wow, where did the nitrites come from
11/3      .2      0.0     0.0	        Now where did they go?

And now, I'm still asking myself, when will the nitrates show up?  Is it
possible that the nitrites drop so fast?

I'll be testing again this weekend but am curious to know if it is at
all typical to not see Nitrates.  I did use some cycling agent (Amquel?)
when I first filled the tank, and once since during a partial water change.
Could this account for never seeing nitrates, or are they on their way?

At first, I was changing 5g per week (3 times) until a local fish store person
told me to just let the tank go through it's radical changes on it's own and
it will happen a lot faster.

One last question I have is, how much does it help to 'inject' air into your
trickle tower?  Mine is set up such that the bottom of the tower is NOT
submerged, therefore air CAN get in, but not as readily as may be optimal.
If you recommend pumping air in, at what rate and what is the most efficient
way to do this?

Thanks for all your help.  -Ross
-- 
Ross Livingston, Unisys Corp.  |  Phone   (801) 594-6217
322 North  2200 West,   D1V03  |  Fax     801-594-4861 / 801-594-6708
Salt Lake City, UT   84116     |  E-Mail  livings@unislc.slc.unisys.com
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Oceanic tanks?  ID, please..
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:27:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Nov12.002712.11790
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

>      I've got an Oceanic 60gal cube. It's the best tank i've ever had.
>   The glass is 1/2" plate, the top and lights are all first rate. If you're
>   into aquariums for the long run it's definitly worth the extra bucks. 
>   The cubic shape is great for certain fish too, i've got a 20" royal
>   knife who used to be known for breaking heaters and tops. Since i put
>   him in the cube though i've had no problems.

Where does one acquire an Oceanic tank if there're no dealers in the area?

				-Matt
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: [FW] Care for Eels??
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:22:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


How do you properly care for eels?  What do they like to eat?
Live food?  Flaked food?  Anything?  

Thanks in advance.

Eric
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Oceanic tanks?  ID, please..
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:37:12 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

> I like the quality of the Oceanic tank and hoods. They seemed like they used
>better material and workmanship on their tanks and stands.


Per chance, could you give me an close estimate of how thick the glass is?

I mean, I don't have a Cheezy Brand tanks to sit next to my tank to compare...:)
                                      

				          -Matt
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: [F] How do I care for Eel?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:28:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

How do I properly care for Eels?  Do they like live food?
Flakes?  All the above?

Thanks in adv.
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From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re: Tetracycline
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:55 EDT  

In article <1992Nov12.140509.1209@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, adong@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes...
>In article <1992Nov08.093441.157789@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jmartine@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Martinez) writes:
>> I noticed that the capsules look just like the Tetracycline capsules
>> that I get at the pharmacy by prescription  that I take for acne.
>> 
>> Are they the same?
> 
>In most cases, the only caveat is that some prescription drugs may contain 
>inert carriers which do not affect humans but may affect the aquarium.
> 
>> 
>> Can I use the ones from the pharmacy for treating fish?  They're both 250mg.
>> 
> 
>Yes you can as long you keep the above point in mind.  Tell the pharmacist
>that you are buying the drug for veternary purposes and you won't have to
>have a prescription and won't pay for dispensing fees and won't abuse the
>intended use of the prescription.
> 
>Regards, Allan Dong

My pharmacist will not sell prescription drugs without a prescription.
Have you actually tried this successfully in the United States?


Greg
From: n8943689@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Elric of Melnibone)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: (F) Electric Catfish
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:21:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov5.232146.22153
Organization: Western Washington University

I'm debating on whether or not to get one of these little jewels.
I was wondering if anyone out there has one and they could give
me a little help.  What do you feed them, are they hard to keep
alive, what kind of water conditions do they prefer.  I will be
getting one that is about 4 inches, and it's going into a 29 gallon
tank.  Another question is it better to use an undergravel, or
an external filter with them?  Do they prefer caves or plants or
both??

Thanks for the help

Pete

-- 
Pete Giffin <n8943689@henson.cc.wwu.edu> <uw-beaver!henson.cc.wwu.edu!n8943689>
"When the first living thing existed, I was there waiting.  When the last
living thing dies, my job will be finished.  I'll put the chairs on the tables
turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave." -- Death
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From: howardr@col.hp.com (Howard Rebel)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M] Drilling a Tank
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:39:29 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


It sounds like you are about to be taken for a ride.  For about the cost of
the work the glass shop wants to do you can have a custom tank built with 
the stand pipe built in.  

My advice is to live with the hoses.  If you use a backdrop behind the
aquarium you will not be able to see them anyway. 

In article <1992Nov5.143311.29009@hubcap.clemson.edu> bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob) writes:
>Hi all!
>
>     I am still setting up this 75 gallon tank and am now considering
>having the tank drilled to avoid the siphon break problem....
-- 
Howard Rebel hpcsos.col.hp.com 
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From: shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine)
Subject: Re: Growing plants <F>
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:51:54 GMT

In article <UD005565@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>     Now I've taken to making my on buffer for my tanks. I use a phosphate
>buffer that has a pH of 7.0. Every once in awhile, I squirt in some of this

As I've heard from John Kuhns, inventor of Novaqua & AmQuel, phosphate
provides a wonderful buffer, which is why John puts it in Novaqua.  It's 
a 3 level buffer, whereas the regular alkalinity system is only 2 levels,
carbonate and bicarbonate.  One of the drawback to using phosphates is 
that it can promote some serious algae growth, lest everybody think
they can dump lots of phosphates into their tanks without seeing some
not-so-nice effects.
-- 
Steve Shine
AT&T Bell Labs    (908)949-8517
att!hoqub!shine   att!cbnewsh!shine
My opinions, not my employers, not my fault, blah, blah, blah.
From: vpo@tos50.teradata.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Algae Control
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:32:56 GMT
Reply-To: vpo@tos50.teradata.com ()
Distribution: world
Organization: ATT/NCR Teradata Business Unit
Originator: vpo@tos50


Does anyone having any tips on controlling algae? I have a 65 gal
FW steup with a combination of fake & real plants. I generally
leave my 40watt Vitalite on over nite to keep the real plants
happy. I checked the FAQ and it recommended algae-eating fish
like Otocinclus and bush-nose/bristle-nose pleco. What are the
common names for these guys?
From: galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Christian nudists
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:38:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Jeff says:
>
>Not necessarily.  Just look in any dictionary.  Lust originally meant
>pleasure.  Later it came to mean sexual desire in general.  However,
>more recently pejorative usage of the word (especially by Christians of
>a certain persuasion) has caused lust to mean *illicit* sexual desire.
>

Actually, I kind of like this comment.  In many usages lust=pleasure
even today.  So in other words, the Bible says, if you look at a woman
to take pleasure in her, you've committed adultry already! 
Don't you like that even better?  

The German equivalent of lust, lustig (actually an adjective, lustful)
is still used to mean something like lively or energetic, at least in
may parents' low german dialect.  This is related as it carries the sense
of "taking pleasure in" whatever it is you're lustig about.

>>  Note that by the Biblical definition you cannot lust after
>>your wife, because "if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he
>>has commited adultry with her in his heart."  Thus since you cannot
>>commit adultry with your wife, by this verse you cannot lust after her.
>
>Remember that you read this in translation.  In fact this wording comes
>from the outdated KJV.  What exactly does the original Greek say?
>
>Jeff
>
>
KJV isn't any more outdated than Shakespeare.  It's a question of whether
or not we know enough about our language to understand it.
In any case, modern translations use lust also, eg. An American Translation
(Beck).  Good News Bible (not a translation but a paraphrase) chooses
"wants to possess her".  The reference here is Matthew 5:28.

epithumaesai is the Greek word, though I'm not sure about the transliteration.
It's epsilon-pi-iota-theta-upsilon-mu-eta-sigma-alpha-iota.  Epi is a 
preposition, general meaning: upon, but had different meanings in various 
contexts.  aesai is the verb ending for the appropriate number, case, and
tense. The main form is epi-thumeo.  The lexicon says to long for, to covet,
to lust after.  Now that we've discovered nothing new, can we get back to
the topic of nudity?

I would like to coordinate a study of relevant scriptures among those 
interested in this topic.  I suggest that we begin by compiling a list
of the passages that seem to oppose nudity, together with any that might
suggest freedom in this area.  When we have gathered all the information,
then perhaps we can carry on a discussion that actually means something.

Please email me a message declaring your intent to participate if you wish.
Perhaps we can divide up the task in some reasonable fashion. 
Much of this can be done through email, so we can spare those who don't 
like the subject the pain of having to read our posts!

Dwight
galster@plains.nodak.edu            Salvation by Grace Through Faith 
Superior Christian Education, Inc.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re:  Christian nudes
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:48:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


>>The final word:
>>    IMO: It would be better if nudists didn't reveal themselves
>>    quite so fully to those who may sin because of it.

> I'm a little confused....I'm not supposed to "lock myself in a closet", but
> I shouldn't "reveal myself quite so fully".....????

"7/11 stores are responsible for robberies" - ;-)

Terry
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"There should have been only one. I want my money back!"  - Terry
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Berkeley's Naked Guy
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:22:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.5236
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <1dovmoINNpho@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
<I heard a radio news report that U.C. Berkeley made a rule against nudity
<because of complaints about the naked guy.  One report I heard that I wish
<someone could confirm or disprove is that he was spending time hanging
<around the womens dorm areas at night.  Implication being that he was not
<just passing through on his way from point A to point B and that was what
<was causing most of the complaints.  Anyone know about this?

	Sounds like the charges were made up for the purpose.  Hanging
around women's dorm, indeed.  As if he had nothing better to do.  This
sort of accusation tells us more about the accusing than the accused.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
From: sbirdwell@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Puerto Vallarta
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:32:41 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Nov3.000331.4000@cabezon.uucp>, jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer) writes:
> Does anyone have recommendations for CO beaches in or around Puerto Vallarta?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim
> jimcar@lmc.com
From: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:13:57 GMT
Reply-To: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)

In article <jburton.07qp@sempco.UUCP>, jburton@sempco.UUCP (Jerry Burton) writes:

|> In article <1992Nov7.065556.26635@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>,
|> gina@rintintin.colorado.edu (Gina Cherry) writes:
|> >As many of you probably know, on Tuesday, Colorado voted in an
|> >amendment to their state constitution which revokes any existing
|> >gay/lesbian/bisexual civil rights legislation and prohibits the
|> >drafting of any new legislation.  The amendment was spearheaded by a

|> Sorry Gina No can do. If a person is gay that is there privlage not a right.
|> A gay person is not a different human than the rest of us. I do not beleive in
|> gay rights any more than I do in white rights. If I was GAY how could I expect
|> anything different than anyone else if i cannot meet the criteria? What gives a
|> gay the right to be distingushed from me ? Nothing! they are not a different
|> breed of people? they are not from another country. So they deserve no
|> different rights than anyone else. Next It will be the Brunettes or men with
|> beards or blondes that will deserve rights..

You are right, Jerry.  A gay person is not a different human being. 
Unfortunately, some people obviously disagree with us and treat gays
as if they were not human beings at all.  Nobody is asking for any special
rights, the goal of gay rights is to make sure that gays are treated as human
beings, just like anybody else.  When brunettes or white men start being
discriminated in housing and employment, when they start being beaten
up and killed by hateful people just because they are brunettes and white
men, then we need to make sure we pass some legislation that clearly states
that we would not allow that kind of treatement.  Then, brunette rights 
and white men rights would sure be needed.  

I am with you, Gina.

|    Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com       |
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Subject: Re: handicap access at re
From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:19:26 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Camosun College

In article <1992Nov11.4225.7935@dosgate>, "jim clements" <jim.clements@canrem.com> writes:

> And Four Seasons is open year around although most of the
> activities are indoors at this time of year <G> -- nice as
> it is, it is still in Canada. Cheers!

Well, just because something's in Canada doesn't necessarily mean the 
weather MUST be frigid. For example, over here in Victoria, BC, it's 
quite mild all year long, except for the occasional snow in Feb/March 
(and I mean VERY occasional!). Speaking of which, is there anyone out 
there who knows of any CO beaches in the Victoria area? Anywhere on the 
Saanich Peninsula would be acceptable, but I'd prefer something in 
Greater Victoria itself. If you don't mind, please post your response 
since I've got a VERY limited disk quota. Thanx in advance. Mata ne.

                                            -=]> Max <[=-

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