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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Another Sub Woofer question
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:38:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <4JAN199310371445@rigel.tamu.edu> mjf9968@rigel.tamu.edu (Pi(3.143832666)) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.084318.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>, lauusitalo@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes...
>> 
>>        I have no knowledge about your main speakers but I have had a feeling
>>        that Klipsh's are quite nonsensitive, so if you abandon your other
>>        amplifier and go for passive filters then you would need more power
>>        in one amplifier than with active system.
>
>What, praytell, qualifies as sensitive when Klipschs are "quite
>nonsensitive"?  I thought that was one of the main bonuses of
>using a horn-- high sensitivity.  The Forte IIs, if I remember
>correctly, have a 99dB or so SPL.
>
My question exactly.  I have the spec sheet in front of me right
now for the Forte II and the chorus II.  Forte has sensitivity of
99dB SPL and the chorus has sensitivity of 101dB SPL.  What would
be sensitive it these are not.  Besides, I love the sound you get
from those horns anyway.  When budget permits, I will have a pair.
IMHO, of course.

Mike


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From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Followup-To: rec.audio
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:20:48 GMT
Organization: BBN
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan12.081356.1140@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com wrote:
> I've said it before and I'll say it again:  MD and DCC both deserve to lose.
> Encourage your friends to NOT buy into these new technologies.  If they
> complain that CDs are too expensive, point them at shops that carry used CDs.

Through mail order you can get many CDs for under $10. I suppose that in
time MD and DCC prices for both prerecorded and blank media would come
down, but you're right... so what! I admit a certain technical fascination
with the new technology, but I'd much rather wait for recordable CDs or
some other non-lossy technology.

What I worry about is that MD and DCC are just what the record companies
want. They can sell you a piece of music without handing out something
which is an essentially perfect copy of their precious master tapes. They
can give you media that they can control through serial copy management,
and even if you defeat the SCM, they can still maintain control through a
new digital-domain version of that wonderful analog 'quality' of
generational signal loss! (Oh, the wonders of modern technology!)

What I worry about more is that *if* either MD or DCC were to be
successful, CDs or any newer CD-quality media would become high-priced
specialty items of increasingly limited availability.

In the past, new audio technologies seem to get their initial customers
from a coalition of audiophiles and first-on-the-block gadget freaks. It
seems to me that the audiophile contingent isn't going to be there for MD
and DCC, and unless current prices dropped quickly and significantly, the
general public isn't going to care. I doubt the gadget freaks can carry the
market alone.

-Kerry
From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Subject: How can different digital cables sound different?
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:59:06 GMT

Maybe I'm missing something, but I cannot figure out how different digital
cables can sound different.  I can imagine that a poorly shielded cable
could cause interference, or a badly impedence-matched one could distort
the square wave, but: it's carrying bits!  As long as a zero is a zero
and a one is a one, how can the DAC get confused?  Can a cable add jitter?
If I were to load the digital info into a computer instead of a DAC, and
there were no errors, I would have an exact duplicate of the digital music
samples in the computer's memory.  Unless the cable is really bad and
causes errors/jitter, how can it matter?

						Joe
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:03:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24548
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



	yes there is a faq. it was distributed (first draft) in
december. very soon it will be available by ftp/netlib. just hold on.

	andrew
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: WANTED: Tabletop Record Player
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:42 -0800

 AS> My wife's grandmother has some old LP's she would like to
 AS> listen to, and wants a simple tabeltop record player or
 AS> something similar. I remember there used to be tabletop
 AS> "all-in-one" stereos that included a receiver, sometimes
 AS> a cassette deck, and an automatic turntable on top of the
 AS> basic unit. 

 AS> Does anyone know if such a beast (or a simple record player)
 AS> is still made by anyone?

Should be able to find something at RadShack, or any major department store.

From: Matt.Ion@p106.f7040.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Matt Ion)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Reducing interference into receiver
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:59:34 -0800

 JD> I'm living under a 50kW antenna and get a LOTTA noise 
 JD> from it (I also live very
 JD> close to about 5 other towers...) through receivers, 
 JD> portable stereos, amps,
 JD> etc. etc.  Anyway to cut this down without putting it in a lead box?

Cut it down?  How about with a big disk grinder?  Little dollop of plastique
on each of the base-mounting bolts and guy-wire connections will do nicely
too.  Probably wouldn't even be noticed until the first strong wind.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:05:00 EST


Greetings,

I am interested in purchasing a Sony ES line CD changer, but I can't find  
in the technological wasteland of Syracuse NY who sell Sony's ES line of  
products.  Would anyone out there know of any dealers in Central NY  
(Ithaca, Rochester, Albany) who sell Sony ES stuff?

Thanks much,
Brendan

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From: philip@think.com (Philip Mucci)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Opinions/prices wanted on the Technics 910 and Sony GX99ES
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:25:03 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: marley.think.com

	The subject pretty much says it all. I'd like to get your
feelings on these recievers. Also, how much did you pay for them.

	Thanks,
		-Phil
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <11900013@hpmwnpd2.sr.hp.com> allana@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Allan Armstrong) writes:
>
>And even if you still believe you need a $300 cable, I ask you this:
>What kind of cables are used inside the transport and D/A to connect
>between the connector on the back panel and the circuit board? Are they
>$300 cables? If not, the "quality" of the system will be limited by them
>and not by your $300 wonder cable.
>
   Well in the first place, prove I said anything about needing
   "$300 cables" or stick your posting where it belongs.  Straw man
   arguments are nice, but in this case you've built it with more
   than a bit of barnyard contamination.   

   However, in the event you never read the audio press or this
   newsgroup, there have been tests of CD players with and without
   external DAC's.  In SOME of those tests the external DAC
   combination resulted in a high frequency roll-off that was easily
   measured (graphs and all in the Audio article).  There was no
   question but that the external DAC was superior to the internal
   one..

   And there have been postings by people who MEASURED the doggoned
   things and HAVE found problems caused by cables.  I can't
   remember any of those postings (and certainly not mine)
   advocating $300 cables.  But they DO realize that cables can and
   do affect sound.   Whether you blame this on TOSLINK, poor
   construction, poor connectors, or the just the industry standards
   for the cabling is your opinion.  

   And those weren't cheapo CD players or DAC's either....
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Re: Velodynes
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:35:24 GMT

kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:

>I believe the major difference is the ULD-12 has a better amp than
>the F-1200.

>Kirk out

	If I'm not mistaken, the ULD-12 also incorporates an
accelerometer in the voice coil of the woofer. This supposedly allows
for a more accurate response, as the actual cone excursion can be
compared to the input signal, and corrected if necessary.

	The F-1200 also has a 10" woofer and a 12" passive radiator,
as opposed to the 12" woofer of the ULD-12. Again, this is all from
memory, so I could have something wrong.

						-Cal
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From: haverl@cats.ucsc.edu (Carl A Haverl)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Those b*s*a*ds in the white van - I hope they got them.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:57:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


>In article <1it0shINNap6@early-bird.think.com> philip@think.com (Philip Mucci) writes:
>>	I got taken quite a number a years ago by the very same people...
>>...Then again, some liberal judge
>>will probably let them off, so they can keep selling they crap.

>Yes, and we all know how much progress the consumer protection movement
>has made during 12 years of Reagan-Bush federal/Supreme court appointments...


  I remember being propositioned by these folks about 7 years ago in
Providence, RI.  The speakers they sell are NOT stolen.  The speakers
are garbage though.  As someone who has had good stereo equipment stolen
from home, I think these van people are great.  They rip off greedy, amoral
people who think they are buying something stolen.  People who would
buy stolen equipment deserve to loose more than their money, but this
is a good start.
  The van people may be guilty of "Peddling without a permit," but many
cities have no ordinances against this.

-- 
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haverl@cats.ucsc.edu
From: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Wireless Headphone Recomendations
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:08:13 GMT
Reply-To: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: usa

I have seen a few recommendations for headphones here but none for
wireless sets.  Does anybody out there have opinions/recommendations?

One other question: what type of headphone is best at blocking out
external noise (open, semi-open, in-ear)?  Recommendations??

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kong@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kong Kritayakirana)
Subject: Carver Amp Tweasking
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 06:05:32 GMT

From: jim@stargate.helios.nd.edu (Jim McCusker)
 
> This is how Carver describes his 'Null Test' where he 
>declares that two amps are the same after tweaking his amp until
>a speaker no longer generates any sound.
>   _________                        __________
>  |         |                      |          |
>  |         |                      |          |
>  |         |---,              ,---|          |
>  |         |-, |              | ,-|          |
>  |         | | |              | | |          |
>  |_________| | |              | | |__________|
>              | |              | |
>              | |              | |
>              | |              | |
>              | |              | |
>              | |   _______    | |
>              | |  |       |   | |
>              |----|+     +|-----|
>              | |  |       |   | |
>    _____     | |  |_______|   | |     _____
>   |     |    | |   Monitor    | |    |     |
>   |   + O----' |   Speaker    | '----O +   |
>   |   - O------'              '------O -   |
>   |_____|                            |_____|
>  Reference                           Amplifier to be tweaked
>    Amp.
 
Looks like if the monitor speaker is not producing any sound, ref amp. and 
tweaked amp sound the same into the given load (hey maybe they should check 
whether the monitor speaker burps during 1812 cannon firing). Maybe they 
should also check that the monitor speaker produces no sound with other 
identical pair of load speakers after the tweaking is done, but this might not 
be necessary. Any more ideas?
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Remotely reading and posting to rec.audio from
a nice beach somewhere in south pacific.  Damn
the technology that helps  us to get in touch.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: My impedances don't match!
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:30:40 GMT

In article <1i2pq0INNh9b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jcm11@po.CWRU.Edu (John C. Mackey) writes:
}
}Hmmm... Okay, I, the audio fool, have yet another seemingly basic
}audio question...
}I just bought a Paradigm center channel speaker which is rated at 6
}ohms nominal impedance, 4 ohms minimum impedance.  My Sony STR-D1090
}receiver says it "accepts speakers of 8-16 ohms."  (Elsewhere in the
}specs it gives dynamic power output ratings for 4 or 8 ohms.  Does that
}mean the amp will accept speakers at 4 ohms, or should I just ignore that?)
}Anyway, since my center speaker is only rated at 6 ohms while my amp is
}designed for 8-16 ohm speakers, what's going to happen?  I'm not hearing any
}audible distortion, but I have neither $600 for a new amp, nor $180 for a
}new speaker.  Should I be concerned, or should the speaker be able to handle
}an 8 ohm input even though it's rated for "6 ohms nominal impedance."
}
}Thanks again, everybody...  Hopefully you won't tell me that I need to
}exchange the speaker for an 8-ohm-er.  I really like the Paradigm...

The apparent discrepancy is due to the difference between the way an
amplifier is used in practice, and the way the FTC requires that it be
tested in order to meet its advertsied power output.  The issue is too
complicated to discuss here.   

Cutting to the chase, go right ahead and use your speakers. There will
be no problem.  

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra)
Subject: Re: Bose Speakers
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:30:21 GMT

schippit@seviche.ycc.yale.edu (Mark G. Schippits) writes:

>The drawback to Bose in all truthfulness is a
>lack of "powerfull, deep" bass.  Oh yes, they have power alright.  Sales
>reps plug these speakers directly into house current and the speakers are
>just as good as they did before the abuse.  No other speaker owner or
>manufacture would likely try this one.  

You have me worried Mark. I guess I don't understand what you
mean. Speakers are connected to the amplifier which in turn is
connected to the "house current". So what am I missing?

anand@cadence.com
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From: sp3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shiv Swarup Pathak)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Opinions on DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY speakers?
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:08:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fI_ldC00iUy42yFxO
	<1993Jan10.183200.24736@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



I'm looking to make an investment in a pair of speakers up to $1200.  I
thought about the Definitive BP10.  Has anyone have any experience with
them?  Opinons would be very helpful. Any other recommendations in my
price range would be great.  Thanks.

-Shiv
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: PSB Alpha vs. Paradigm Titan -- any difference?
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 09:13:20 GMT

wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) writes:

>Has anyone heard both $199 wonders of the audio world -- the PSB Alpha
>and the Paradigm Titan?  Anybody want to compare and contrast them?

Heard a pair of Alphas--very impressive considering their size!
Actually, they put many larger speakers to shame.

Haven't heard the Titans.

Mike
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From: Matt.Ion@p106.f7040.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Matt Ion)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Radio Shack garbage
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 01:13:24 -0800

Great, the first message I get in the newly-hooked-in Usenet areas, and it's
the same argument that's been going on in Fido AUDIO for the past few weeks
-namely, "Radio Scrap".

Like I told someone else, I like the Bose 901's as a casual listening speaker.
I don't consider them "audiophile", and I'd never use them in a studio
situation, but I do like the overall sound.  But that's just me.

On the professional level, I've used some of their reinforcement systems
before, such as the 802 and self-powered jobbies, and found them to be
perfectly adequate and easily on a par with anything else of their type and
price range (except maybe Microns... now THOSE rule!).


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: What is a good (low) price for Vandersteen's 2Ce ?
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:58:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.032757.7546@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> rav@att.com (Reinaldo Valenzuela) writes:
}
}I am about to buy a pair of Vandersteen 2Ce speakers.
}The dealer quoted me $1295 over the phone but
}says he'll "make me a price"...
}How low can I expect him to be willing to go ?

This is always a problem.  The seller cannot sell below a certain price,
and he knows the price--you don't.  This is why the seller has a distinct
advantage in these transactions.  

Your best bet is to offer him something less than you figure he can
possibly sell for--in this case about $700--and negotiate from there.
Whatever you offer, he will come back with a higher figure, so start
low.  

If you are lucky enough to be able to find out what the dealer cost of
these speakers is, you can add $100 and hold your ground.  It helps to
have the money in cash.  Somehow the sight of real cash works to the
advantage of the buyer.  
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From: kishon-amir@cs.yale.edu (amir kishon)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Which Velodyn?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:47:19 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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I am about to buy a Velodyn subwoofer VA-1012 as part of a whole
system (Acurus DIA, Maggies 1.5, Cal Sigma + Cal Transport).
Unfortunately, I could only audition the VA-1012 at my dealer. 
But, before I fork out the money I am curious to know if 
going higher for the Foundation series (F-1000, 1200, 1500) 
justify their higher price ?

Any help would help.

-Amir
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From: mjf9968@rigel.tamu.edu (Pi(3.143832666))
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Those b*s*a*ds in the white van - I hope they got them.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:47 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1it6teINNem@calamari.hi.com>, 
rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes...
>>In article <1it0shINNap6@early-bird.think.com> 
>>philip@think.com (Philip Mucci) writes:
>>	I got taken quite a number a years ago by the very same people.
>>They told be at the time that they were BOSE studio speakers being
>>delivered to a record co. in the area. I was skeptical at the time - so
>>for a test I said ("You realize I am spending my tuition money...if these
>>are worthless I can't go to school in the fall.") These SOBs took my money
>>anyways and stuck me with garbage. I hope this company, and all the people
>>who work for them rot in prison forever. Then again, some liberal judge
>>will probably let them off, so they can keep selling they crap. They've
>>been doing this for over TEN YEARS NOW! 
>>
>>	-P.m.
> 
>Yes, and we all know how much progress the consumer protection movement
>has made during 12 years of Reagan-Bush federal/Supreme court appointments...
> 
>AWR

	Completely off the rec.audio subject, and not to defend
	Reagan, but I really don't think that this guy falls under
	the realm of "consumer protection".  First off, he wholely
	admits that he thought the speakers were stolen ("They told
	me ... they were BOSE studio speakers being delivered to a
	record co...."), and secondly, he was an idiot: "...For a 
	test I said, ('You realize I am spending my tuition money...
	if these are worthless I can't go to school in the fall'.)".
	He expected that these complete strangers should *care*
	about him.  As a "test" he told them he was completely at
	their mercy, and then gets incensed that they took advantage 
	of him.  He's a schmuck, and you're a schmuck for thinking
	that the government should take care of him, and idiots
	like him.

	"It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing MilkBone underwear" -- Norm
	Mike "Pi" Freeman
	MJF9968@rigel.tamu.edu
From: mjf9968@rigel.tamu.edu (Pi(3.143832666))
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: speakers for classical music
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:05 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <43291@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes...
>If money were no object, what speakers are the best for
>listening to classical music?
> 
>-fm

	I've heard good things about the Watt/Puppies.
	Only $220,000 a pair too!  What a bargain!

	"Money were no object"!  I'm sorry, but you must
	be kidding.  If money were no object, you could 
	just hire out the Atlanta Symphony (picked at random)
	and have 'em do it live.

	Audio reproduction is *always* a question of the
	"best sound for the dollar", not simply "the best
	sound".

	Living better through chemsitry,
	Mike "Pi" Freeman
	MJF9968@rigel.tamu.edu

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From: warrenk@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Warren Kafer)
Subject: PDX area service recommendations
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR
Distribution: pdx
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:33:56 GMT

My TEAC  V95-RX needs some service after 12 years of use.  I would like to
hear some good/bad comments about tape deck service for the Portland area.

According to the phone book:  Inner Sound, Electronics Clinic, and Telestar
Service Co. are listed as "Authorized Factory Service for ... TEAC".  I'm
not limiting myself to these places but I thought I would start with them.

Please respond via email at warrenk@tv.tv.tek.com

Thanks in advance!

Warren

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