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From: bsn@world.std.com (Brent S Noorda)
Subject: Re: What kind of car do you drive/3 kids
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:18:23 GMT

>   > What kind of car do you drive with 3 kids--all of whom are in
>   > car seats?  There will be 2 Fisher Price carseats and a century
>   > infant seat (rear facing).  Other car concerns are price and
>   > repair record.

>Well, the simple answer for me is anything that's a five seater.  That would
>include Ford Escorts, Chevy Cavaliers, Geo Prizms, and tons of other cars.
>It would *not* include Chevy (or Geo) Spectrums or any other small car with
>only four seatbelts in it.  And that's the key thing...not how many people
>you can theoretically squeeze into the sucker, but how many seatbelts there
>are.  My sister-in-law has a small Dodge Colt (smaller than our Spectrum),
>but it has five seatbelts in it, so she can take herself, her husband, and
>her kid (in carseat) along with my wife and I in it.  With our car, and NY
>State law, we can only take four people unless one of the five is an adult
>sitting in the back seat with no seatbelt on (and we've had to do this from
>time to time).

When it came our time to buy a car, I wanted a high high high gas mileage
car to hold two adults in front, three kids in back, and two
medium sized dogs.  I went down auto row and asked dealer after dealer
"I want over fifty MPG, two adults, three kids, and two dogs" and
dealer after dealer laughed at me.  Finally I realized that dealers do
not want to sell high-mileage small cars because they all have low,
sometimes artificially low, sticker prices and so they don't get much
commission.  Once I realized this I took one dealer's salesman and I
told him (in addition to buying him lunch), "I'll pay you, under-the-
table, $200 to find me the car I want."  In no time he found a car that
fit my description.

It is a Geo metro four door.  Gets about 55 MPG.  Cost about $7000 (plus
the $200 finder's fee).  I paid an auto shop $85 to add a very strong
third seatbelt in the back seat, so I can get three kids in back.  And
there's room behind the back seat for the two dogs, although only one
of them can comfortably be lying down.

The next best thing any legitimate dealer offered cost $5000 more and got
under 40 MPG.

I'm happy.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Subject: ADD FAQ
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:32:37 GMT

Hi:

I am the keeper of the ADD FAQ and I am no longer able to keep it - what
there is of it.  What started out to be a good idea did not draw much 
interest from you all.  If anyone is interested in taking it on, I will
forward it to you.

Thank you!

Toni Bachman
tbachman@seq.hamline.edu        


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:39:08 GMT

I found this in a post from elf@halcyon.edu ....

>       When incest involves mutual consent of sibling who are close
>    in age, their experience is usually remembered positively.
>    Childhood experiences are later recalled as "curiousity," with
>    little, if any, long term guilt associated with the behavior.
>                -- Masters, Johnson, Kolodny, "Human Sexuality," 1982

-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:06:02 GMT

I've thought about this issue long and hard and I think the answer I have
applies to both those parents who have and those who have not used or abused
drugs.

People have different body chemistries and what is enjoyable to one person
may be completely unpleasant to another.  However, I believe that there is
some drug that will be pleasant to each person, so pleasant that having once
experienced the drug, that person will have a problem with craving that
drug for the rest of his or her life.  For some it is alcohol, for others 
barbiturates.  Some are perscription drugs, some are legal drugs, and some are
on the forbidden list.  But I don't think that matters as much as what will
happen if you sample a drug which is the right chemical balance for your
system.

Do you want to risk the possibility of doing battle with a drug for the rest
of your life?  Do you want to either be high all day, want to be high all
day, or be in rehab trying not to want to be high all day?  Listening to
those in this situation makes it sound like a very unpleasant experience.

I don't think the drug itself is the risk.  It is the addiction to the drug
that is the danger and here lots of drugs, including lots of pharmeceuticals, 
have that potential.  Watch what your doctor gives you, not just what you
can pick up at the corner dealer.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:02:37 -0500

Some interesting literature on the subject:

Male Circumcision:

Circumcision, The Painful Dilemma

Female Circumcision:

Woman, Why Do You Weep?

I've read both books, but I forget the authors.  Interesting histories about
both sexes, reasons for, reasons against . . . pretty good dose of facts.

Both books are written from an anticircumcision perspective.  But "pro-circers"
would probably find them interesting, too.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.consumers
From: rdn@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (richard.d.nelson)
Subject: New idea for baby safety gate
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:53:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: transportable, safe


I'm taking a marketing class where we have a group assignment to come up with
a new product idea that would be used with/for infants/toddlers.  Recently I
posted a request for ideas and thanks for all that responded.

My group has come up with an idea that I would like to get feedback on.  It is
a safety gate, the kind that we're all familiar with that you use in doorways
or by staircases.  The enhancement that we've come up with is to make it such
that it is easily collapsible so it can be easily stored in your home/apt.
when not in use or will fit easily into your car for use when visiting.  The
ones that I've seen on the market are not convenient to store when not in use.
They are rather bulky and may not easily fit, nor would you want to hassle  
trying to put them into your car.

Any impressions or feedback?  Would you buy one if you were shopping for a 
gate if it had this feature?  Assume that it meets all safety requirements for
such a product and was competitively priced.  Would you be willing to pay a
bit more for the easy transportability and storage?  Have you experienced
taking one with you in a car or airplane?  What was it like?  Our product 
would collapse into a size about 26" high, 4" in diameter and would fit into a
case with a handle.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Rick Nelson
richard.d.nelson@att.com
AT&T Bell Labs, Allentown
215-439-7070
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: It's a Boy!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:02:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.225705.25891@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>, d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria) writes:
> In article <1jk4opINN6fd@male.EBay.Sun.COM> valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge) writes:
> >How about Conan (combo of Conner and -an)
> How about Dylan??
> 
> Denise
How about Rowan, Kieran, Evan, or Rogan (gaelic for redhead, btw)?

Beth
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cconell@reed.edu (Carol Conell)
Subject: Re: Helping a sensitive child
Keywords: kindergarten, adjusting to public school
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:17:25 GMT

We experienced a lot of problems when my older daughter started
kindergarten that seemed to resemble those you described.  There were
several "rough" boys--according to my daughter, and the teacher 
terrified Jessamyn by yelling at them.  

The bad news is that the problems described by your son are probably
not wildly inaccurate.  The good news is that, at least if my daugher
and her friends are typical, by the end of the year and certainly
within a year or two, your son will have learned to take them in stride.
One year (2d) my daughter was lucky enough to have a very unrough
classroom and she adored it--it was also much smaller (23-24) students
than usual--she had 32 in k, maybe 29 1st and now has 31 in 3.  However,
rough kids, although still reported occasionally, are now a fact of life,
largely taken in stride.

Also--the inability to tell the teacher is simply something you should
probably accept--Why not offer to talk to the teacher on your son's
behalf and then report back to him about what she/he says.  Even in
3d grade, my daughter--who is quite well developed, often prefers
to have me speak to the teacher and is, according to the teacher,
"very quiet" in class.  Having spoken to my friends, I've realized
that many of the better students are--after all this is what you
and I would be in a situation where 1 person has to field problems
from 2 or 3 dozen.  It's the appropriate response, in many ways.
My philosophy, for what it's worth, is to speak on their behalf as
long as they want, although it sometimes surprises me that this is
still needed.  More generally, I think it's better to "let them leave
us, don't leave them."  In other words, provided that they're away
from home in school all day, you don't need to worry about encouraging them
to leave babyish, soft, etc. ways, behind; they will all to soon.
Let us know how it goes.

p.s.  The one caveat is that occasionally boys (I know of several cases 
but none with girls) are actively picked on by other, rougher boys--
if that happens you should get advice, because it can become a terrible
problem.  Good luck! Carol


-- 
Carol Conell; Sociology; Reed College; Portland, OR 97202 (503) 771-1112
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:51:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1993Jan28.155953.12418@novell.com> M'Linda Taylor writes:
>
>In article <C1JqDv.CB7@world.std.com> nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds) writes:
>>Has anyone
>>suggested Meredith or Melinda?  Gee, there sure are a lot of "M" names!
>>
>>--Nancy Reynolds
>
>If you want to name the kid Melinda and make sure it NEVER gets spelled
>right you could do what my Dad did to me %>
>
>M'Linda 
>
 
This reminds me of how Thomas (26-1/2 mos) pronounces Melissa's
name: "Mmmmmm-Lissa".  Maybe we should have spelled it M'Lissa. :)
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: Girls names - "M"
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:51:07 GMT

Hi, 

My husband and I have decided it's time to think about starting baby #3 
we have a son who is 4 yrs old called MATTHEW ROBERT 
and an 18 mth old daughter called MELANIE KATE

IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID  
but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M 
that we BOTH like!! 

any suggestions that I can put before hubby are appreciated!!

Thanks in advance

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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: Arizona Ashma Attacks "4 yr old"
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:07:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.123845.4659@asbt01.gedlab.allied.com> b97289@asbt01.gedlab.allied.com writes:
>
>	My 4 year old boy has had ashma for about 2 years now and i was just
>wondering if he is going to get better as the grows up or will he grow out of
>it or will he always need his resperator ? We live in phoenix and with all the
>rain we have currently had since november the news people say that this year 
>the probability of people having worst ashma attacks, is what we can look 
>forword to. With the water, more rag-weed will grow and the trees will blooom
>that much faster, then summer and that much more will die in the summer causing
>more severe ashma attacks.

There are two things that can help the asthma get better.  One is learning
to manage it and the other is outgrowing it.  Either way, it does not have
to be a debilitating disease.

I recommend that you learn all you can about asthma and the ways to prevent
attacks.  Teach your son to recognize the very first tightening in his
airways because often an attack can be prevented if steps are taken right 
away.  And get a good allergy regimen going.  Get rid of all that wall to 
wall carpet that hides dust mites, mildew, etc.  Make sure your son is
outside when you vacuum and dust or get a vacuum with a good air filter.  

I know doctors are reticent to put children on antihistamines, but if you
know ragweed upsets your son and you are facing a ragweed season, see about
something he can take every day just to keep the problems minimized during
that season.

Good luck.  I have asthma.  Most of the time I don't even know it.  Until
I got pneumonia I had been off all asthma medication for over 6 years.  I'm
looking forward to getting off of it again.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: What kind of car do you drive/3 kids
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 01:20:19 EST

In article <C19EEn.1xE@world.std.com> bsn@world.std.com (Brent S Noorda) writes:

   > When it came our time to buy a car, I wanted a high high high
   > gas mileage car to hold two adults in front, three kids in back,
   > and two medium sized dogs.  I went down auto row and asked
   > dealer after dealer "I want over fifty MPG, two adults, three
   > kids, and two dogs" and dealer after dealer laughed at me.

When we thought that we might be buying a new car my wife was heavily into
the concept of HIGH, HIGH, HIGH gas mileage.  Our current car is a Chevy
Spectrum that seats four and gets relatively high mileage.  The problem is
that we were looking into cars that would comfortably seat five people and
some of the stuff we schlep back and forth between here and Jersey.  As the
number of passengers went up, the mileage went down, and this drove Cheryl
nuts.

Finally I did a little math for her (based on an Amtrak ad I'd seen years
ago) and figured out what the *passenger* miles per gallon were.  It worked
out that while it was true that a five or seven seater had a lower *raw*
mpg, if you factored in how many passengers you could carry (and the
likelihood of you carrying that many passengers), the larger car with
actually had a *higher* *passenger* mpg.  I mean, if I need *two* 50 mpg
cars to carry the same number of people I could take in one 40 mpg car (or
have to make two trips in the smaller one), the 40 mpg one looks a whole lot
better.

Remember, raw mpg isn't always the whole story.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: Thank you all + resource request
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:26:59 GMT

In article <16B5DCD13.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.154838.8691@ttinews.tti.com>
>reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>In article <3161@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>>>She's heard about these full-body pillows, and thinks that will help her
>>>get comfy at night, but can't seem to find one.  Someone told her about a
>>>place called "Fortune's Almanac", but they aren't accepting orders for the
>>>next several months.
>>>
>>>Anybody have any experience with these?  Are they worth it, or just hype?
>>
>(First reply deleted, Sorry Reid)

I used one of those full body pillows that I got at my local Filenes (a
major Boston department store) for about 49$.  I would check with the
linens department of your local department store, and they all seem to
carry them here.  If not, the Right Start catalog had them for a while.
You might call them and see if they still do.

Personally, I didn't like the pillow that much later in my pregnancy.  In
the second trimester I thought it was great, but in the last trimester
I was just so huge, and I needed a variety of pillows of different
sizes and thicknesses to prop up the various body parts.  Mostly I
found that a few cheap foam pillows from Marshalls stuck between my
legs and under my belly did the trick.  But then again, who slept
much during the last trimester.  Most of my nights were spent walking
to and from the bathroom :-).

Marjorie
mum to Gemma and Graham, 5 months and really changing for the better!

> 
>I used a very fluffy king size pillow, some places sell ones that have more
>filling than others. It was great!  I didn't like the body pillow idea, because
>it looked too big, like it would be hard to move out of the way in the end of
>pregnancy when getting out of bed in the middle of the night, those umpteen
>times.  Could be wrong, though, as I didn't get one.  Also, I figured I could
>get a lot more future use out of a king size pillow than a body pillow.
> 
>But again, I could be wrong.
> 
>Ellie Blackwell


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: Novell Inc., Austin, TX.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:59:53 GMT

In article <C1JqDv.CB7@world.std.com> nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds) writes:
>Has anyone
>suggested Meredith or Melinda?  Gee, there sure are a lot of "M" names!
>
>--Nancy Reynolds

If you want to name the kid Melinda and make sure it NEVER gets spelled
right you could do what my Dad did to me %>

M'Linda


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From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:06:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.082443.21564@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>My wife, who is an RN (Registered Nurse) was talking to one of her friends
>at work who is an LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) studying to become an RN,
>and found out that she was about to begin her OB training.  In looking
>through one of Sue's OB books, Cheryl read the section about circumcision
>and found that for some period up until 1989 the pediatric establishment
>came down against circumcision as medically unnecessary, but that IN 1989
>they changed their minds saying that it looked like it was probably six of
>one half a dozen of the other.

What, no title or author?  Any word on why they changed their position?
Is this their current position?

>So maybe it *is* a hygienic thing...about something the Europeans figure is
>too small a risk to worry about and that the Americans figure is a large
>enough risk that circumcision is worth it.

It is hygiene *instead* of circumcision, not because of it.  Your concerns
are misplaced.

>And as I've said before...I'm glad my parents had me done when I was too
>young to remember and young enough for it to just take a couple of days to
>heal instead of letting me wait until I might *have to* have it done at an
>older age when the recovery period was a lot longer and uncomfortable, and
>when I would've definitely had bad memories of it.

What are the statisistics on the number of adult males requiring circumcision
as a medical necessity?  I have personal, first hand knowledge of 3 generations
of uncircumcised males with no problems what so ever.  Turn your "argument"
around, why perform a surgical procedure on an infant that not only might,
but *most likely* will never have to be performed as an adult?  Your 'better
living through surgery' tirades are off the mark.

JC
--
Have you washed your brain today?
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How tall will your child be?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:09:08 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: redx.cac.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan25.173754.24250@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|> In article <3224@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
|> >Hey, parents/potential parents.
|> >
|> >Some time ago, I came across a formula which is supposed to tell you the
|> >ultimate height of your child.  It's supposed to come within a couple of
|> >inches.
|> 
|> As I recall, the highly scientific (smile) method told to me was that
|> a child would be half her adult height on her second birthday.  Or was
|> it third?

That's what my pediatrician said (double the height at age 2 to get adult
height).  I'm 5'2", hubby is 6'0" and Brendan will supposedly be 6'7" if
he continues on his off-the-chart growth rate (he's 17 months now).

I can just see it now:

me: "Young man, you look down at me when I'm talking to you!"

:) :) :)

-Laurel
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Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thank you all + resource request
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:48:38 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <3161@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>
>Now, I (well, the wife) needs, or thinks she needs, to find a pregancy pillow.
>She's heard about these full-body pillows, and thinks that will help her
>get comfy at night, but can't seem to find one.  Someone told her about a
>place called "Fortune's Almanac", but they aren't accepting orders for the
>next several months.
>
>Anybody have any experience with these?  Are they worth it, or just hype?

My wife has a body pillow, and ADORES it (she's in her ninth month).  It's
about four feet long, and as big around as a generous bed pillow.  She got
it from a friend of ours who's a massage therapist and uses them when
massaging pregnant clients.  I'll try to find a source.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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