HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: Strat-O-Matic Strategies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:38:00 GMT

In article <Bx95G2.wM@cs.dal.ca>, niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes...
>  Does anyone know what to look for in Strat cards BEFORE they come out? That is
>can youy predict how good a player's card will be before you actually get the
>card. Guys in my league want to draft before you can even get the cards so 
>this is quite crucial.
>  These are my theories:
> 
>  PITCHING-
>  I always draft on ratio. Since we always use strong teams (6 teams selected
>from 10 of the stronger teams in the majors that year) there are no weak
>hitters to dance around and pick up outs. So if you put guys on base (even if
>it's only walks or singles) you're in big trouble since there's always a good
>chance that the next hitter (if he rolls his card) will kill you.

	Yes, this is the system I've adapted.  One league I'm in plays with
11 teams out of the entire major league pool, so the talent is pretty thick.
For my 1991 team, I decided to draft pitchers who had nothing on their cards
but walks, because my catcher was Mike MacFarlane (-3 arm) and I thought
I could afford them.
	WRONG!!!!
	I drafted Randy Johnson and Jose DeJesus, because I assumed that since
the majority of the on-base probs on their cards were walks, they'd do well.
In 10 starts, DeJesus was 2-7, 7.34.  In 21 starts, Randy "BB King" Johnson
was 1-9, 5.69.  They gave up TONS of walks, and a lot of hits too.
	My theory now is that, yes, ratio IS important.  Both these guys had
ratios of well over 1.5 during the '91 season, and it reflected in their
performances.  I did much better starting Bryn Smith, who walked nobody
in real life, and didn't give up too many hits.  His ratio for me is about
1.2, but that's better than the 2's put up by Johnson and DeJesus


>  Holds are difficult to determine. I tried to use SB-CS numbers (as well as
>SB per 9ip) to predict holds but it never works. There is a big fluctuation in
>holds as opposed to Defense ratings; that is they don't go by reputation with
>holds since I've seen Gooden at -1 and +8 within two or three years of each
>other.

	But it's always nice to know that Bobby Witt is going to be a +7 or
+9 every year since 1987, the first year of holds.   SB-CS is the usual
method, although weakness of catchers arms is taken into consideration.
Generally, a -6 is reserved for guys who didn't have a base stolen on them
all year, and threw out a few to boot (Habyan in '91).

>  

							Jason Miller
	
>					Gord Niguma
>					(fav player: John Olerud)
>
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Expansion's effect on costs?
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:35:10 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

What will the expansion's effect be on costs in roto leagues?
We are adding just one new owner.  I'm  pretty well convinced
that value should dilute a bit - there will be 18 or so
new everyday players, two or so additional closers, and
at least a couple of new decent starting pitchers (though
we won't know who they are until next October :-)
With $260 being added to the pool, I think there will be
more body for the buck.  

Any comments?

-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Subject: Re: Strat-O-Matic Strategies
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:17:29 GMT

In article <Bx95G2.wM@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>  Does anyone know what to look for in Strat cards BEFORE they come out? That is
>can youy predict how good a player's card will be before you actually get the
>card. Guys in my league want to draft before you can even get the cards so 
>this is quite crucial.
>  These are my theories:
>
>  HITTERS-
>  Get hitters with a great OBP rather than SLG. This might just be personal
>preference though.

Essentially, this is a good idea, because IMHO, there are fewer
on-base gods than slugging gods in every set.

>  Get hitters who hit well against right handed pitchers since most opponents
>will be RHP and anyways there's usually alot of guys who hit LHP well. Just
>look at this years leaders in BA vs. RHP and BA vs. LHP. There are some insanely
>high averages vs. LHP likely because of the smaller sample size. I know Big 
>Frank was something like .376 BA vs. LHP, Griffey Jr. .358 and others were
>very high (Edgar Martinez but I can't remember the figure).

Definitely.  And, conversely, don't draft a LH starting pitcher unless
his name is Sid Fernandez and he had a good year (i.e., was murder on
righties and had an insanely good ratio).

>  DEFENSE-
>  This is virtually all reputation and no honest thought to stats. They ALWAYS
>give Van Slyke a "1" rating no matter what his PO/9In is. A Gold Glove is
>virtually a "1" rating although Kelly Gruber's one good year (33 HR) he won
>a GG but received only a "2".

This is why I've been campaigning for Omar Vizquel to get the GG this
year.  I could really care less about the actual award, but I'd like
to see him get the "1".

>  PITCHING-
>  I always draft on ratio. Since we always use strong teams (6 teams selected
>from 10 of the stronger teams in the majors that year) there are no weak
>hitters to dance around and pick up outs. So if you put guys on base (even if
>it's only walks or singles) you're in big trouble since there's always a good
>chance that the next hitter (if he rolls his card) will kill you.

That's exactly the correct strategy.  Juan Guzman/Nolan Ryan/Sid
Fernandez types are the toughest pitchers around in Strat.

It sounds like you've got everything under control, really.  The only
thing you need now are the stats, and you can get those by getting the
Major League Handbook from STATS Inc.

>  
>					Gord Niguma
>					(fav player: John Olerud)
>

Noel Steere                  |...of the Dave Rossing fan club
GM/Manager, New York Knights |Knights' Run Total: 467 Runs in 93 games
Internet Baseball League     |Projected Season Total: 813  Target: 1000!
nss3@midway.uchicago.edu     |HECTOR VILLANUEVA FOR PRESIDENT
                             |(Heck, the Cubs sure aren't using him!)
Make outs, not walks!        |OMAR VIZQUEL FOR VICE-PRESIDENT
(well, Joe *said* I said it!)|(Or at least a Gold Glove!) [Woof!]



Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: Re: Inheritance II
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.081843@IASTATE.EDU>, tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin) writes...
>Sorry about this...I was working yestrday from (foggy) memory and neglected to
>include some of the bigger questions, like:
> 
>Harold Baines -- does he have any real value?  How old is he, anyway?
>Tom Brunansky -- where's his p.t.?  I don't see it.
>Scott Cooper -- the Sox leading hitter last year.  whoopee. 
>Monte Fariss -- will they put him at 2b if Franco is unable?
>Jose Lind -- fielding doesn't count _this_ much
>Dan Pasqua -- will he bounce back?  I'd love him if he did; he's great in our 
>              system - put him near the top and he plays when he plays, you
>skip
>              over him when he doesn't.
>Carlos Quintana -- will he ever play again?
>Alvaro Espinoza -- ditto.
> 
>There you have it.  See what I was left with?  These _are_ the dregs of the
>team, true.  My projected starting lineup:
> 
>c -- Tettleton (:-})
>1b -- G. Davis 
>2b -- J. Reed
>3b -- C. Hayes
>ss -- O. Smith
>of -- Mack (see Tettleton)
>      Bonilla
>      R. Kelly
>dh -- Baines/Pasqua
> 
>That doesn't look bad on the surface, but dig deeper:
> 
>c -- Valle, Je. Reed
>1b -- Colbrunn, Galarraga
>2b -- Reynolds, Lind, Fariss
>ss -- Espinoza (!)
>3b -- Cooper, Quinlan
>of -- Allred, Bruno, Chamberlain, Dawson, Fariss, (Quintana)
> 
>Ugh!
> 
>O.K., I'll stop my incessant whining now and listen to what _you_ have to
>say...
> 
>Thanks,  Tom

>>Monty Farris??? Take it from a Ranger fan, he can play but Jeff Frye will 
 get Playing Time before he will. If he could ever learn to throw, he'd be
 the starting SS. Hope that he'll be drafted by Colorado or Florida, and 
 get some PT. Trust me, the guy can hit!!!!!

   Thanks,  Jason
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Strat-O-Matic Strategies
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:50:26 GMT

  Does anyone know what to look for in Strat cards BEFORE they come out? That is
can youy predict how good a player's card will be before you actually get the
card. Guys in my league want to draft before you can even get the cards so 
this is quite crucial.
  These are my theories:

  HITTERS-
  Get hitters with a great OBP rather than SLG. This might just be personal
preference though.
  Get hitters who hit well against right handed pitchers since most opponents
will be RHP and anyways there's usually alot of guys who hit LHP well. Just
look at this years leaders in BA vs. RHP and BA vs. LHP. There are some insanely
high averages vs. LHP likely because of the smaller sample size. I know Big 
Frank was something like .376 BA vs. LHP, Griffey Jr. .358 and others were
very high (Edgar Martinez but I can't remember the figure).
  Get hitters who hit POORLY with runners in scoring position and poorly in
runners in scoring position with two outs. Well, don't draft Tim Wallach because
of this but given players with similar stats go for the above. I've always
felt that the "clutch" in Strat-O-Matic is really stupid and that they over-
compensate those who do poorly with RISP. I feel that the "clutch" doesn't
come into play that often and that those with good "clutch" performances 
often don't have regular hits, they have alot of clutch hits and that in the end
their cards aren't as good as they should be (Robin Yount in 1990, 1991 card).
Also a guy like Tony Gwynn in 1987 (.370 BA) had an amazing card because he
stunk in the clutch. (well the .370 BA with 56 SB didn't hurt either 8-) ).
  
  DEFENSE-
  This is virtually all reputation and no honest thought to stats. They ALWAYS
give Van Slyke a "1" rating no matter what his PO/9In is. A Gold Glove is
virtually a "1" rating although Kelly Gruber's one good year (33 HR) he won
a GG but received only a "2".
  Errors are calculated by E/9In. I'm pretty sure of this anyways as I tested
some players a while back and it always worked. (well actually it's 
Errors/9innings * 162 games). With players of limited playing time at a position
they just give a set number to.

  PITCHING-
  I always draft on ratio. Since we always use strong teams (6 teams selected
from 10 of the stronger teams in the majors that year) there are no weak
hitters to dance around and pick up outs. So if you put guys on base (even if
it's only walks or singles) you're in big trouble since there's always a good
chance that the next hitter (if he rolls his card) will kill you.
  Holds are difficult to determine. I tried to use SB-CS numbers (as well as
SB per 9ip) to predict holds but it never works. There is a big fluctuation in
holds as opposed to Defense ratings; that is they don't go by reputation with
holds since I've seen Gooden at -1 and +8 within two or three years of each
other.
  
					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)
From: LAST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Starting over
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:28:16 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <Bx7B0G.2pC@cs.dal.ca> colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald)
writes:
>
>	Our league is a 11 team AL league (getting a 12th team this year) that
>	has been in existence the last two seasons, although this was my 
>	first. Three teams that won money in 1991 repeated in 1992 and four
>	of the top 6 were the same as well.
>
>	At our end-of-year meeting at a local tavern a couple of weeks ago, 
>	one owner brought up a suggestion on the discussion of how many
>	players me protect for our expansion team draft and how many we can
>	protect before the auction. His suggestion was:
>
>
>			START OVER!!!
>
>	Appartently, he had read an article in one of the sport magazines or
>	papers about scrapping the league after the first two years and 
>	starting fresh. The idea is that if all or most are inexperienced 
>	going into the league, the two years will allow everyone to get
>	their feet wet. Then by starting over, you create a more competitive
>	league because everyone is more experienced.
>
>	Suprisingly, this owner had finished in the money the last two years
>	and all his supporters seemed to represent the top of the league. It
>	was narrowly voted down by the lower half, of which I am a proud
>	member :) . Mainly it got voted down because it was deemed unfair to
>	those who had built their team throughout the late summer (the guy in
>	10th is really set for next year!).
>
>	Any opinions or comments on this idea of starting fresh?
>
>
>	Colin Mac Donald
>	owner of Big Mac Attack
>	H.I.R.L (Halifax International Rotissiere League)
>
Big Mac Attack,
	It depends on how your league is set up as to what the best solution is. If
you have a minor league system, and limit the number of years a player can be
on one team, and have long term contracts, the best way is to have the new
owner start from scratch and the rest of the league continue with their teams.
This obviously rewards those who take a long terms approach to their teams, as
should be.
	I have been in two differerent leagues over the last seven years, and this
approach has been very good. It also helps promote those in the lower half of
the league who are willing to take a long term view.
	Assuming that you bid on players at the beginning of the year, the new owner
will have a full pot of money to bid with and should have a good chance to
compete in the second year, barring injuries, trades, etc.
	My answer is to not restart, and to make the new team start new. It seperates
those that are really interested in playing, from those who probably are not,
and rewards those who are persistant.
	We have a lot of fun and I love to talk about the league. If you would like to
correspond, I am on compuserve 76500,2022.
	Good Luck,
	Barry Beggs
	Owner of Lone All Star TarHeels
	Mugu Rotissiere League
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Gant for Deion!
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:36:48 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego



Recap: our league uses BA, SLG, R + RBI and SB - CS;
ERA, ratio, 2 *  W - L and saves.

The perennial champ traded me

Gant		L5	17
Berryhill	R4	 5
Leibrandt	R3	 3
Brian Barnes    R3	 1
Butch Huskey   farm	 -	(1 for one year, 10 for next 2)

for

Deion Sanders   R4	 7
Tommy Greene    L3	 6
farm pick #1
farm pick #5
farm pick #12


If Gant has 1992 seasons, this is a good deal for me; if he has 
1990-1991 seasons, it's great!  The Series got me a bit worried 
that Gant will become a platoon player, though.  However, I'm not 
convinced Deion is for real, nor that he's not a football player...
The draft picks could be pretty valuable - 1991's top picks 
were Reggie Sanders & Eric Karros, now at $10 for 1993 & 1994.

Barnes is marginal, though he should pitch & Mtl will be
a winning club.  Leibrandt is scary, though even at 37 he
seems to be solid & Atl is of course also a winning club.
Berryhill & Huskey were just throwins, as was Greene.
I still have the #7 and #14 farm picks, along with Keith
Mitchell, Decker, Pedro Martinez & Huskey in the system (max of 4
allowed).  Probably won't keep Decker unless he's starting.
Mitchell I still like, though he needs to have a nice year in
Denver or something.

The commissioner feels like I gave up too much.  Of course,
he's  trying to get me to trade him Pete Harnisch at 2, Luis
Gonzalez at 5, Daryl Boston at 3 and Assenmacher at 7 for
Will Clark at 45.  I like Will, but if he were tossed in,
he might not go for 45 this year.  Bonds is at 43 and McGriff
at 42.

Comments?



-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
From: v102q46b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David A Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Strato league needs 1 manager
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am starting a strato league and need 1 more manager to make a 12 team
league. this is a play by mail league. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Subject: APBA League Has Openings
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 00:50:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

The Joe Nuxhall Baseball League would like to announce that there are
presently openings for their upcoming expansion.  We are an APBA Computer
league who will be starting our seventh season.

Disclaimer: This league is for people who are playing the APBA Computer
Baseball Game.  This is NOT a fantasy league.  If you do not know what
the APBA Computer Baseball Game is, please hit 'n' and move on to the 
next message.

The Joe Nuxhall Baseball League features a salary system, computer or master
game play, a draft, a yearly convention in Las Vegas, and a good core
membership.  The majority of the league is also active on the Buck Weaver
Bulletin Board (303-225-2178) and three presently have Interent accounts.

If you would like to be considered for membership, please send a statement
saying why you want to join the league along with your experience in APBA
leagues and a statement of your managing/general managing philosophies.
Please send this to mmb@lamar.colostate.edu or leave a message to Mike
Burger on the Buck Weaver Bulletin Board.  You can also E-mail the afore-
mentioned for more information.

Thank you for your consideration.

Mike Burger
Commissioner, Joe Nuxhall Baseball League

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.213132.10927@novell.com> bradley@novell.com (Brad Soe) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.193814.18923@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>>In article <BxK56o.DoF@encore.com> jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy) writes:

>The general rumor from KNBR (Giants Radio Station) was that at the time
>that Lurie made the offer with Tampa, there were no other SF offers. He
>wanted to deal locally and made the Tampa offer to stir up interest. 
>Since he made a deal with Tampa, he was under agreement not to negotiate
>another deal with anyone, so he could not deal with the SF group until
>after the Tampa deal fell thru. It was the only move that Lurie could
>do and bring the issue to the attention of the Bay Area.
>
>Also, I believe that the Tampa group did know that the owners could vote 
>the move down.
>
>I don't know about all the lawsuits that are pending, but I don't think 
>they are a good idea. If Tampa wants a team next time, will the owners 
>really vote to expand there after these lawsuits? There is no law that 
>determince where they have to expand to. It is pretty clear that they 
>cannot lure a team away. The Giants were the 7th team they move
>there.
>
>I am happy!
>Brad
>
>Brad Soe
>bradley@novell.com
>

[Standing up on the soapbox]

Go take a look at baseball history.  Teams that have moved and pending
lawsuits are not new.  Look at the Braves when they moved to Atlanta.
I won't rewrite it again, I have seen it posted several times.

Tampa has played by the rules for eight years.  We have been made many
promises that MLB has not kept.  We have dealt with many teams, and even
owned a portion of the Twins only to sell our shares back at cost in the
interest of baseball.  The teams we have been involved with include
Minnesota, ChiSox, Rangers, Oakland, Seattle and SF (Not to mention the
possibility of an expansion team).  In each instance, we cooperated with
baseball officials the way they wanted us to and listened to their
promises.  They have come through with none of them.

I think it is time for Tampa to fight back.  If baseball never intended
to put a club here, then why make promises?  Baseball should have more
integrity (I am referring to the owners and officials, not the game). 

I feel it is a shame in the way the owners have handled this situation.
I love baseball and would love to have a team here in Tampa.  But allowing
the fans to have hope, then take it away time after time, it just leaves
a sour taste in my mouth.

Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now.

DonO

--
Don Oxley     |Internet: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com|"It is better to keep your mouth
AT&T Paradyne |UUCP:     uunet!pdn!oxley       | shut and appear stupid, than to
Largo, FL     |--------------------------------| open it and leave no doubt."
(813)530-8282 |  Opinions are mine, not AT&T   |               -Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Subject: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:20:10 GMT

Greatest moments in baseball history:

Novenber 11th, 1992.  Four National League owners vote to
reject the sale of the San Francisco Giants to Florida.

The S.F. offer is under review and should be approved within 10 days.

Yay!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name:       Ken Kubey  or  QB   |  Reading, editing or printing of this text
Address:    kubey@sgi.com       |  without the express written consent of
Disclaimer: the usual           |  Major League Baseball is prohibited.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: Greatest Switch Hitter
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:28:00 GMT

Who do you think is the game's best switch hitter right now? Ruben Sierra has
got to be considered. In 1989 and 1991, he had the 2nd most extra base hits in
history, 2nd to Mickey Mantle. Ruben is consistent, yes I know he had an off
year in 1992, but do you realize he was on pace for 25 HRs, 100 RBI and .306
BA at the AS Break. Then Toby Harrah came in, and Sierra's production dropped
as fast as the Rangers. Any input on today's best switch hitter would be 
appreciated. If we get enough results, we'll post the "winner"

                 Thanks- Jason Brown
                 email: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu
                     or
                        cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu
From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The NL Sched
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:41:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Nov7.235021.19931@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, 
cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) writes...
>	Is it a 13-12 format like the AL or the proposed 20-6?
> 
They picked the 13-12, just like the AL, with the same annoying 
lack of symetry.  (7 home, 6 road against some teams in your own 
division and 7 road, 6 home against the others.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Nissim, notorious Dodger fanatic     (nissim@mary.fordham.edu)  
Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."   
World Championships:  Brooklyn-----1955   
                      Los Angeles--1959  1963  1965  1981  1988
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------