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From: glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: FTP sites for sheet music?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:53:31 -0600
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
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In article <9212130246.AA22751@ns.umb.edu> boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU writes:
>>Does anyone know of any ftp sites containing sheet music (preferably Baroque)?
> 
>I don't know of any -- didn't even ask archie either -- as I doubt there is
>anything to find.  What would we find?  

There is sheet music out there.  A lot of it is words+chords, 
some includes vocal melodies, and there's a fair amount of 
guitar tabulature.  Unfortunately, of the music archives _I_ 
know of, it's nearly all modern, largely rock.  (Which I find 
usefull, but I'd like to see early music there as well.)

>Gifs resulting from scanning in
>published/hand-written sheet music? Stuff in musictex format?  In one of the
>other formats music publishing software can handle?  In dvi or postscript
>form ready to print?  

There was some talk a while back about trading DMCS files.  
One person on alt.guitar.tab floated the idea of posting scanned 
GIFs or Postscript.  I don't know of any of the three actually 
getting anywhere.  (GIFs and Postscript files would be awfully
large for this purpose.)

>I don't know if there is a standard way of representing
>music, 

Oh, there are several standards.  :-)  Ranging from text files 
with chord names lined up over words (various places), through 
lyrics with chord changes marked in-line -- and a program which 
reads that format and prints out rather pretty Postscript pages
(alt.guitar.tab, rec.music.makers.guitar.tab), to the text-based 
melody encoding used in alt.music.filk (for which I keep meaning 
to try to write an interpreter that would produce standard notation
and/or tabulature in Postscript).  And, of course, the aforementioned
guitar / bass tabulature in cursor-art which is the standard for
the guitar newsgroups.


There is music out there.  Unfortunately I don't know of any
archives of _early_ music on the net.  Yet.


-- 
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.          The Human Vibrator              glenn@digex.com
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

There is now a TV/TS newsgroup, alt.transgendered.  (I'd hoped for a soc.*
group, but oh well...)  Unfortunately, most articles don't arrive at my site.

Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: wlambert@sioux.ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: RE: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:12:06 GMT

In article <01GSBANHP93M9BVELP@icil64.cilea.it>  writes:
---My opinion of her is unchanged
--- 
---Giuseppe CATTANEO
---Universita' di Bergamo
---ITALY

so, what was it?
Chris L 
"It's in keeping with my not sleeping around"
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Subject: RE: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
From: Rick Anderson <LIBRBA@VM.BYU.EDU>
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:55:46 -0700 (MST)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
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>If the picture had been a witch, or a Iranian religious figure, she would
>have been cheered.  Some religions are more equal than others.
 
  No.  If the picture had been a witch or a mullah she simply would have been
derided by a different set of folks.  No religion is without people who want
to see it destroyed.
 
>Carol
>WHEELERC@CUA.EDU
 
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Musikforschungsfuhrer          assez seul, il lui donna une compagne pour
Harold B. Lee Library          lui faire mieux comprendre sa solitude."
Brigham Young University                               -- Paul Valery
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From: jacob@max.cc.brandeis.edu ( )
Subject: standard representation of music Re: FTP sites for sheet music?
Organization: Brandeis University Math Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:16:23 GMT

In article <9212130246.AA22751@ns.umb.edu> Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU> writes:
>Toyn Eyers asks
> 
>>Does anyone know of any ftp sites containing sheet music (preferably Baroque)?
> 
>I don't know of any -- didn't even ask archie either -- as I doubt there is
>anything to find.  What would we find?  Gifs resulting from scanning in
>published/hand-written sheet music? Stuff in musictex format?  In one of the
>other formats music publishing software can handle?  In dvi or postscript
>form ready to print?  I don't know if there is a standard way of representing
>music, so I have my doubts that there is much to find.
> 
>I'd love to hear of anything if it exists.
> 
>--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)

curiously i've asked about standard music representations only a few
weeks ago on comp.music and a few standards groups...

from what i got there's only one, it's an ansi standard in the making
(as been for quite some time) is called smdl and is far from ready...

until then, as you say, i don't think there's gonna be much available.

although for many purposes bitmap representations straight out of a
scanner are just fine, if a bit bulky, i wonder how legal it is to just
scan publisher x's edition of beethoven piano sonatas and put them in an
ftp archive.

once a standard has been agreed upon there's still the problem of putting
scores into that format. there's essentially two ways i can think of:

one is to scan the score and have a "character recognition" program convert
it to the standard; that however i would guess would require programs
at least as sophisticated as character recognition programs for ascii;

the second one is to input the score by playing it into a midi sequencer,
part by part, and then convert the midifile into the standard representation.
that is a lot easier to do at least in a general way. basically it would
involve getting rid of "performance" parameters in the midifile and keeping
only things like pitch, time; but that would also involve some fairly tedious
human intervention for nuances, bowing marks for string instrument, words for
voices and numerous other things that you cannot input thru a performance
on a midi keyboard.

so i wonder... how many books (litterature) are there available on ftp
archives anyway? and the problem with music i believe is somewhat harder
technically.
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Subject: Question re: Lazslo Cidra, Janos Rolla et al.
From: Rick Anderson <LIBRBA@VM.BYU.EDU>
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:33:20 -0700 (MST)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
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   I've got a quick question for all you fellow early music heads: do Laszlo
Cidra and Janos Rolla and their respective groups (Liszt Ferenc Chamber
Orchestra, Camerata Hungarica, Capella Savaria etc.) perform on original
instruments?  It's never clear from the Hungaroton catalogue which recordings
are period performances and which aren't.  I've looked up both conductors in
the Grove and not found any useful info.
    Thanks,
             Rick A.
 
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Rick Anderson                 "Dieu crea l'homme et, ne le trouvant pas
Musikforschungsfuhrer          assez seul, il lui donna une compagne pour
Harold B. Lee Library          lui faire mieux comprendre sa solitude."
Brigham Young University                               -- Paul Valery
librba@BYUVM.BITNET         Disclaimer: BYU disagrees.
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Subject: Museum Address-Berlin
From: 00hcpence@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Date: 11 Dec 1992 13:11:00 -0500 (EST)
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I'm having difficulty getting mail sent to the Music Instrument Museum. If
anyone out there has an up-dated address (perhaps changed after reunification)
I'd appreciate hearing from you. Here's the address I've been using:
 
          Musikinstrumenten-Museum des Staatlichen Institute fur
                                                     Musikforschung
          Preussicher Kulturbesitz
          D-1000 Berlin
          Bundesallee 1-12
             GERMANY
 
Antworten auf deutsch oder Englisch, bitte. Vielen dank fur ihre Hilfe!
 
Homer Pence, Professor of Musicology
Ball State University
School of Music, Box 32
Muncie, IN 47306-0410
 
00hcpence@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Subject: RE: Shakespearean Music
From: Brad Arnold <ALI00BCA@UNCCVM.BITNET>
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:57:41 -0500 (EST)
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There is a huge quantity of Elizabethan lute music recorded.  Compsers such
as Dowland, Johnson, Byrd etc. have been popular with guitarists as well as
lutenists throughout the history of recorded music.  The best and most
historically accurate performers are probably Paul O'Dette, Jacob Lindberg
and Hopkinson Smith.  If you've never heard Paul O'Dette's recording titled The
English Lute (or English Lute Music I can't remember the exact title) it is
a true delight, particularly if you've only heard the Julian Bream guitar
style of lute playing.
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A. G. Seely)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: Recordings of Bach's harpsichord concertos
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:42:58 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <tlukka.724311000@snakemail.hut.fi> tlukka@lk-hp-8.hut.fi (Tuomas J. Lukka) writes:
>	Hi!
>
>  I'm looking for good recordings (CDs) of Bach's double harpsichord
>concertos. I have found nearly PERFECT recordings of the single,
>triple and quadruple concertos, but am missing the double ones. Please
>email or post here, if you have seen any.
>
>  The good recordings of the 1,3,4 are:
>1: Neville Marriner
>   Igor Kipnis (soloist)
>   Colin Tilney (continuo)
>
>3,4: Concertos for 3&4 harpsichords
>     Hogwood,Moroney,Rousset,Tilney.

Trevor Pinnock recorded the complete set of Bach Harpsichord Concertos in
the early '80s - I have them only on LP, but I think they have all been
released on CD.  One LP was devoted to the three Double concertos (BWV
1060-62).  Kenneth Gilbert is the other harpsichordist.

In the same series as the Hogwood et al recording above, is one of double
concertos - it has BWV 1060,62, plus alternates (a violin and oboe version
of BWV 1060 and the two violin version of BWV 1062 = BWV 1043, in its own
right one of JSB's supreme achievements).  

I have not heard it, but there is a complete set under the direction of
Leonhart as well that is highly recommended.

And to be frustrating (you probably cannot find this anywhere...) there is a
very nice performance of the two-harpsichord (no orchestra) version of BWV
1061 by Rolf Junghanns and Bradford Tracey on Teldec, again recorded in the
early '80s.  (Tracey is another contender in the "most underrated, most
overlooked keyboard players" stakes.  Unfortunately now any recognition he
may achieve will have to be posthumous.  I think he and Scott Ross both died
in the same year - certainly both left a large gap in the ranks of this
generation's harpsichordists.)
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Subject: Used Cornetto (Mouthpieces)
From: E7M7GRI@TOWSONVX.BITNET
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:01:57 -0500
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Does anyone know of a used wooden cornetto for sale and/or mouthpieces.
Any information would be appreciated.
Gene
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From: bchivers@soldier.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: FTP sites for sheet music?
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:46:25 GMT

> In article <9212130246.AA22751@ns.umb.edu>
> boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU writes:
> >
> > I don't know if there is a standard way of representing music,

In article <9212142253.AA11761@moeng2.morgan.edu>
glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:
 >
 > There was some talk a while back about trading DMCS files.

I recently noticed this entry in the Amiga public-domain Fish-disk catalog:

	program: SMUSMIDI	disk: 537

	Converts SMUS Files output by Electronic Art's Deluxe Music
	Construction Set into standard MIDI files that can be read
	by modern sequencing software.
	Version 1.0, includes sample data files and source in C.
	Author:  Thomas E. Janzen

 > There is music out there.  Unfortunately I don't know
 > of any archives of _early_ music on the net.  Yet.

One starting point is to find local friends with like interests and
like computer hardware.  I have a sizeable amount myself -- mostly
just the notes, no text.  I wouldn't mind seeing my stuff go into an
archive somewhere, but finding the time to upload it from home and
the FTP it out (hampered by disk quotas on the firewalls) will be a
major undertaking -- assuming that an archive existed someplace....
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org
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Subject: RE: FTP sites for sheet music?
From: Doumen Jan <jqdoumen@VUB.AC.BE>
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:11:56 +0100 (MET)
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#Toyn Eyers asks
#
#>Does anyone know of any ftp sites containing sheet music (preferably Baroque)?
#
# I don't know of any -- didn't even ask archie either -- as I doubt there is
# anything to find.  What would we find?  Gifs resulting from scanning in
# published/hand-written sheet music? Stuff in musictex format?  In one of the
# other formats music publishing software can handle?  In dvi or postscript
# form ready to print?  I don't know if there is a standard way of representing
# music, so I have my doubts that there is much to find.
#
I am subscribed to the discussion group related to MusicTeX. A while ago
there has been a small discussion about the fact if it wouldn't be a nice
idea to drop all own-composed music in one or another directory on an
ftp-site. Seems that all these amateur composer are afraid of doing that.
Afraid because it is so good that other would copy it ? ;-)
Anyway, postscript would be the best, since it is easy to handle and you
don't need the software which was used to make the scores.
 
DeJean.
 
BTW, their are some baroque (fragments ?) pieces included with MusicTeX as
demos, if I remember well. Try to install MusicTeX and learn some elementary
typesetting, if you have some weeks spare time. ;-)
 
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From: m1wrp99@milo.uucp (William R. Palenske)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: music stores ( early music )
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:43:03 GMT
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

I would like to compile a list of music stores [or what have you] that have an
early music flair about them.  They may be exclusively early music or just 
possess a respectable early music selection.  I would like to know the name,
address, telephone number, hours, and any comments you might have
about the establishment and its selection.   For example,

Name:		Ye Olde Musick Shoppe
Address:	M & Wisconsin Ave., N.W.
		Washington, DC  21001
Tel.:		202.555.1212
Hours:		9.00 - 5.00 M-Sa
Comments:	Extraordinary selection of early keyboard music.  Blah blah.
 
[ Pardon me, if this is a FAQ.  I looked for an FAQ for this newsgroup,
  but couldn't find one.  Email will do.  If I get any responses, I will
  of course post a summary for the delectation of all. ]
-- 
   Bill Palenske            Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
   m1wrp99@fed.frb.gov      Washington, D.C.  20551
   uunet!fed!wrp            DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS ARE MY OWN.
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From: bchivers@soldier.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: Shakespearean Music
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:10:46 GMT

In article <EARLYM-L%92121602593442@AEARN.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT> MVBURKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU writes:
 > Gene--There's a recording by the Folger Consort of Shakespearean
 > music mixed with a bunch of other stuff (Machaut, for example) that
 > you might check out--the name is _A Distant Mirror_ if I mistake not.
 >
 > MVB

I just happen to have the contents of that CD online
here (typed in to tbl|nroff a cassette label long ago...):
____________________________________________________________

The Folger Consort
Delos D/CD 1003'
____________________________________________________________

A Distant Mirror: Music of the 14th Century

Gloria					John Aleyn
Angelus ad Virginem			Anonymous
Estampie				Anonymous
Stella Celi				Richard Cooke
Ave post libamina			Maysheut
I have so longe keepe shepe		Anonymous
Nesciens mater				Bittering
Gloria					Pycard
Gais et Jolis				Guillaume de Machaut
Rose, lis				Machaut
A l'arme, a l'arme			Grimace
Par maintes foys			Johannes Vaillant
En l'amoureux vergier			Anonymous
Not es pour moi				Anthonello da Caserta
Ma tredol rossignol			Borlet
Orsus vous dormez trop!			Anonymous
Armes, Amours				Andrieu
____________________________________________________________

Shakespeare's Music\fR			

It Was A Lover And His Lass		Thosmas Morley
Witches Dance I				Anonymous/Masque
The Willow Song				Anonymous
Witches Dance II			Anonymous/Masque
Suite From The Fairy Queen (I)		Henry Purcell
	Prelude
	Largo
	Fairies' Dance / Haymaker's Dance
	Rondeau
Full Fathom Five			Henry Purcell
The Willow Song				Pelham Humphrey
Come Unto These Yellow Sands		Henry Purcell
The Owl					Thomas Arne
Blow, Blow Thou Winter's Wind		Thomas Arne
Where The Bee Sucks			Thomas Arne
Suite From The Fairy Queen (II)		Henry Purcell
	Entry Dance
	Dance For The Followers Of The Night
	Chaconne
	Hornpipe
____________________________________________________________

A Distant Mirror			Shakespeare's Music

Peter Becker, countertenor		Robert Eisenstein, viol
  psaltery, sopranino recorder		Christopher Kendall, lute
Robert Eisenstein, vielle,		Scott Reiss, recorder
  alto recorder				David Gordon, tenor
Wendy Gillespie, vielle, lute		Ann Monoyios, soprano
David Gordon, tenor			Tina Chancey, viol, viola
Christopher Kendall, lute, harp		Linda Quan, violin
Elliot Levine, baritone			James Richman, virginals,
Scott Reiss, saltery, bells		  harpsichord
  alto/tenor/sopranino recorders	Louise Schulman, violin, cittern
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE: sheet music storage
From: mcrware!jejones%uunet.UU.NET@HARVUNXW.BITNET
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:38:48 -0600
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Brent Chivers writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.195952.9558@news.Hawaii.Edu> mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
 (
>Mike W. Burger) writes:
> >      There are several sites for archival of MIDI files of
> > various music, though I do not know of anyone else who is
> > actively programing 15th century music on various synthesizers.
>
>I am, for one -- right into the Baroque.
 
I'm another such person, though I'll need to write something to convert to
MIDI file format if a site is set up.
 
        James Jones
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:55:49 GMT

In article <01GS7GH1PK5S000N3K@GONZAGA.EDU> QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET (JAMES QUINN) writes:
>> Question:
>> Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
>> Sinead O'Connor?

>Hey, Jason -- have you stopped beating your wife?  I ALWAYS thought
>Sinead was lame.  But I must admit, I got a kick out of the pope thing.
>It was too silly and cute for words.

Personally, my respect for her has diminished since her viol consort
started using modern pitch.  Of course her strings were always the
wrong type, and I don't know *where* she gets those ridiculous
agrements.

At least she doesn't sing much Gesualdo anymore.  She just didn't
have the sort of voice for that.

Roger
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Test
From: Tylman.Susato@WU-WIEN.AC.AT
Date: 15 Dec 1992 11:37:20 +0100 (CET)
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Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was GONTER@AWIWUW11

please excuse me for bothering the list, but I need to check out
a distribution problem.
 
best wishes, Gerhard Gonter
 
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From: dvf@kepler.unh.edu (David V Feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Recommendations for recordings of Vincentino, Rore, Lasso or Willaert?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:11:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: worldwide
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

I would like to learn something about early chromatic music.  Could
someone who is knowledgable steer me to excellent recordings by the
composers in the subject line?

E-mail to d_feldman@math.unh.edu.

Thank you.

David Feldman

From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:12:39 GMT
Subject: Re: gut strings
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.early

In rec.music.early, Cindi Roden <RODEN@GUVM.BITNET> writes:

> My favorite source for gut viol strings is Damian Dlugolecki.
> He used to live in NYC but now resides at:
>  520 S.E. 40th St.
>  Troutville, OR 97060
>  503/669-7966
>  
> Cindi Roden

From what animal is the gut taken?

Tom
From: de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: Used Cornetto (Mouthpieces)
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:47:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.early
Organization: personal

For a used/new cornetto, try 

- Lark in the Morning (somewhere in california)
- Early Music Shop/new england (Brookline Mass)
- Early Music Shop/bradford (england)
- Early Music Shop/london (england)

For mouth pieces, either english EMS had a variety of sizes in the early
80's, probably still do, made by Christopher Monk as I recall.

All the above firms do mail order BTW, see the ads in (periodicals)
- Early Music
- American Recorder
- Frets

Sorry I cant be more definitive, there are no references here in the
computer labs where I read my mail/news.
--

Dana S Emery <de19@umail.umd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.early