From: vojak@makalu.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:55:10 GMT
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From: vojak@makalu.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
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bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:

>	Her being elected "with the help of the
>rich-white-liberal Handgun Control, Inc" is nothing more than
>the NRA rhetoric that is common now. I find the arugment that "we
>have to protect our right to bear arms to be both flawed and funny.
>First the average citizen can`t purchase the hardware need to
>wage a war with a corrupt government 

 Yea, just like those wimpy Vietcongs, Afganastans, Contras and others
 armed with 30 year old technology.  You DON'T have to destroy
 a enemy to win.  You just need to be able to cause un-exceptable
 losses.  A government supressing their own people will also be
 limited to small arms & light armor weapons.  Do you think that
 Washington would call for high altitude bombing attacks on Denver?
 Or maybe a few Tomahawk cruise missles into Pheonix?

>                                     and second the "right to
>bear arms" was in regards to rasing a state militia. This fact
>is often left out when this issue is debated. 

 Not according to the Supreme Court.  You know, those people
 who spent their entire lives studing law and the Constitution,
 and have been appointed to a position of final arbiter.  Also
 not according to many Language/English experts who have parsed
 the Second Amendment, and have determined that the second clause
 is NOT dependent on the First clause.  Also according to historians
 who have taken time to read the original versions of the 2nd,
 plus all of the supporting documents (such as The_Federalist_Papers)
 which were written by the same people who wrote the Bill of Rights!
 But I suppose that they are all wrong since you have declared
 Your opinion on the subject!

>The fact is that
>gun purchase should be regulated in the same manner as any
>dangerous product should be regulated.                     
>

 In many place, they are regulated in a STRICTER manner than
 many other dangerous products. (as in BANNED!)  Let's see,
 thoses places are Chicago, NYC, DC, you know, those places
 with HIGH murder rates and HIGH crime rates. . . BTW: A
 typical respnse to this is, "But all they have to do is drive
 to another State and buy their guns".  FYI, this would be
 a violation of Federal Law.  You cannot buy a firearm outside
 of your State of residence unless you posess a Federal Firearms
 Dealers license. (not easy to get).  If you live in NYC or DC,
 you can't even legally purchase a gun outside of the city limits 
 without the permission of the police departments of those citys.

 Here in Colorado we just had 2 fifteen year old kids kill a cop.
 Gov. Rommer is calling for the passage of the "Brady Bill" in
 order to keep guns out of the hands of kids.  A couple of problems
 with this are: By Federal Law, no person under the age of 18
 may purchase a rifle/shotgun, and no person under the age of
 21 may purchase a handgun.  So how the hell is the Brady Bill
 suppose to stop a 15 year old from getting a gun.  It's pretty
 obvious that they didn't get this gun through any legal outlets.

 This is the type of crap and mis-information that gunowners have
 to put up with on a daily basis.  Also FYI, The wonderful Brady
 Bill did NOT even require a background check on purchases.  It
 only required a 7 day waiting period!  It was only because the
 NRA fought the Brady bill, by sponsoring the "Staggers Amendment",
 that the Brady Bill now requires a background check. The next 2
 steps are to eliminate the 5 day wait, since the background check
 can be done in <15 minutes. (The police do in in < 5 minutes
 every time they pull someone over for speeding).  And to define
 when and why someone can be denyed, plus add an appeals process.

 Currently a person could be denyed under the Brady bill because
 some police chief doesn't like the color of your skin, or because
 you hair is too long.

 So next time you hear some media bozo claiming that the Evil-NRA
 supports "kids killing with guns" by preventing passage of the
 Wonder-Law-Brady-Bill, remember that this law only effect legal
 purchases of handguns.  Something that people under 21 years old
 are legally denied from doing!

                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
                                NRA, ILA, CFC

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