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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:19:08 -0700
From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Six Flags Over Hypoxia

>Karen
>who is clearly out of the loop
        No you're not, Karen!  For some reason the press, normally loving dire
news, has been uncharacteristically silent about Biosphere II's problems.  Even
locally we don't hear much, but here's a BS2 Digest:
        When the one "Biospheran" slashed her finger on a rice-huller the seal
was broken for her to be taken to Tucson for treatment, but when she returned
with her finger bandaged she brought with her a duffle-bag of "supplies".  Seal
was broken again to install an air scrubber to combat the rising CO2 levels,
which is odd as it turns out that the habitat is leaking air at a 10% annual
rate and has been since construction, which is why outside air has been pumped
in.  (Yea, it confuses me, too...)  Oxygen content and air pressure, at sea
level equivalent at the time of 'sealing', is currently up to 11,000 feet.  Two
of the 'crew' are on oxygen masks during rest periods.  Weight loss has ranged
between 10 and 50 pounds, with one member losing 25% of his body weight, explain
   ing why protein powder was smuggled in earlier this summer.  Several species
   of
plants and animals have died, along with most of the insects.  This is just the
stuff that HAS appeared - who knows what's REALLY going on?  Still, the
publicity machine runs on, and insists that this is the most important experimen
   t of all time, which they will permit you gaze upon in awe for only $10, plus
parking, don't forget our gift shop on your right as you leave...   8-(  Oh,
well, at least they're wasting Mr. Bass's money and not mine.

John "Put down some more shavings in habitat two" W.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:31:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: had this been a real posting

Greetings,

Very slow!  This showed ulocal newsreader with some dispatch, but
took about 6 hours to come through via the list.

Marty
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 10:18:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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>In an article I was reading just now, the author used 'animus' in place
>of 'animosity', presumably thinking it was a more literary synonym...
>can anyone remember what Fowler calls this class or rather twee pretentious
>errors?

     "Genteelism":  "the rejecting of the ordinary natural word that
     first suggests itself to the mind, and the substitution of a
     synonym that is thought to be less soiled by the lips of the
     common herd, less familiar, less plebian, less vulgar, less
     improper, less apt to come unhandsomely between the wind and our
     nobility."

     Carol
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 23:50:37 GMT
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> howcome I cant change directories to Salmonbake93, Natalie and Bernard?

You can.

:-) cd /docs/words-l
:-) ls
Archives/       Gifs/           Misc/           Writing/
Clambake92/     Linguistics/    Net-Stuff/      index
Funnies/        List-Stuff/     Salmonbake93/
:-) cd Salmonbake93
:-) ls    [If I weren't in Salmonbake93 here, ls would have produced
            the same list produced in the parent directory above.]
:-) cd ..
:-) ls
Archives/       Gifs/           Misc/           Writing/
Clambake92/     Linguistics/    Net-Stuff/      index
Funnies/        List-Stuff/     Salmonbake93/
:-)
 SNAPSHOT      3 VT102    3 FDX 3 19200 N81 3 LOG CLOSED 3 PRINT OFF 3 ON-LINE

Bottom line:  Salmonbake93 is still empty.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:01:29 CST
From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> I believe you did, yes, but I don't hold it against you.  Anyway, I
> seem to remember insinuating that you had sex with your dog, so I guess
> we were even :-)

And what, pray tell, is wrong with having sex with a dog?
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: RI teen talk dictionary - Part I
Date: 6 Nov 1992 04:28:35 GMT
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In a previous article, TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain) says:

>>From:   St. Mary's Academy-Bay View, East Providence
>
>>rents                             parents
>
>	Been using that one for decades.  Also 'g-rents' for grandparents.
>	Some in my family ascribe it to my college years at Dartmouth, when we
>	would eat a 'za with shrooms.'
>
>>hurl                              vomit
>
>	Wayne's World...
Nope, it's a lot older than that.  That one was in use back in the early 80s.
It may have been in use earlier on the West Coast.


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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Suggestion for the archive
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> Would it be possible for Frank to include the Words-L ftp stuff in
> ra.msstate.edu's Gopher server?
> -abh

Stuff like our gifs, travelogues, bake plans, bios, etc?  What would be
the reason for having all that stuff in gopher?  Most of the files in
the Net-Stuff/ directory are things available many other places.  (I'm
not sure what my last sentence has to do with the question.)

My answer to your question is I don't know.  I'll forward this to him in
case he's not on top of WORDS-L at the moment.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: amendment 2
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:34:08 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>:I knew it!  Sooner or later, this one was going to be dragged in.  Graham,
>:you're being insulting again.  I know a lot of people on both sides of the
>:fence, pro-choice, pro-life, whatever, and the holier-than-thouest of the lot
>:are all pro-choice.  There probably are some total jerks on both sides, so
>:don't give me that.  You know better.
>
>Right, so what you're saying is you refuse to state your moral beliefs
>or how you would act in a given situation because that situation does
>nt currently apply?  To quote the slick politicians, "I refuse to answer
>hypothetical questions"?  As if the whole of religion isn't hypothetical.

Graham, for the last time, CUT IT OUT.  If you have been reading any of this,
and understanding it, my answers to the questions you posed should be
obvious.  I refuse to answer questions to which I do not have the answers.
I also refuse to state the obvious, especially when it's been repeated 50
times, give or take ten.

>I've asked specific questions of You, ruth Hanshka, and your equivocation
>is doing nothing bar confirm my fears that you're a homophobic bigot.

And you have done nothing but throw insults at me. You ask questions, but
reject the answers as invalid or hypocritical or parroted.  They are not,
and will not be just because you say so.  And by the way, the above is still
a flat lie.  I won't repond to it again, so pay attention this time.


>Usually the suggestion that XYZ is like Nazi Germany is a sign that the
>discussion has gone completely overboard, but in this case it isn't.
>People are being discriminated on account of their birthright, just as
>in Nazi Germany.  There is a large rightwing organisation proselytising,
>just like in Nazi Germany (except with better tools and media access).
>These viewpoints are being put over in a way that appeals to otherwise
>middle-of-the-road people, just like in Nazi Germany.  If they aren't
>stomped on, *hard*, now, your country is going to get progressively
>more run by the Religious Elite who pulled Reagan's strings for years.

OK, fine, great.  You're entitled to put that spin on things.  Just watch
who you're stepping on with your jackboots.  



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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: November 7

> And to think that there was a time when I thought I would never
> live to see this day.  Go figure.

Frank, thanks for the post.  In the "kitchen debate" of the late
1950s, Nikita Khruschev and Richard Nixon traded predictions about
their grandchildren.  NSK: "Your grandchidren will live under
communism."  RMN:  "Your grandchildren will live in freedom."

Steve Karlson

Will we live to see Cuba, Madison, and Berkeley liberated?
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Subject: Re: Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:32:32 GMT
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In a previous article, GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU () says:

>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>I find Ruth's responses a lot easier to scan than JAG's.  I still
>>haven't managed to figure out his system yet.
>>--
>Neither has Gubert, which is the main problem.:-)
>
>Ruth "Clear like mud, and easier to read" H.
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>In a pig's eye.
>JAG
>
A muddy pig, right?:-)  With glasses, in this case, which need washing.:-)
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: 486dx time
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:38:38 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92111101085402@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU> writes:
>OK....memory says that at least a couple of you have moved up to 486
>machines.....and I'm curious about reactions, where you bought, whether
>you were happy, what you would change, etc.
>
>Please advise asap....as i'm in a position to order soon, i think....

Dan--I bought a 486/33 in Jan (but wish now I had a 486/66, which came out
since). I started with 4 megs of memory,but wasn't sufficient for getting
windows up to steam (which I rarely use, but sometimes find the multitasking
necessary). Coprocessors are sufficiently inexpensive that it might be
helpful to stick one in. I've since added 4 more megs of memory. If you
use windows, a 200 meg hd  (or more) is crucial). I've had no regrets.


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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
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>This morning's Globe & Mail listed one "other" as winning a congress
>seat.  Could that be anything other than a Libertarian ?

>Tony H.

	Certainly could.  It's Bernie Sanders (Socialist-VT), re-elected easily
	to his seat as the only Vermonter in the House of Representatives.

	With 99% of precincts reporting:

		Bernie Sanders (Soc)             152,551   60%
		Tim Philbin (Rep)                 82,443   32%
		Lewis Young (Dem)                 20,989    8%

	Yep, Ben and Jerry's Congressman...

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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: This better be good

> compilation, and the other was Camille Paglia's _Sex, Art, and American
> Culture_. Never heard of her before reading the list last week. I gotta
> get out more.
>
> -abh

Did any of you see her on 60 minutes last Sunday? Sheesh. I think she oughta
try decaf once in a while...

Emily
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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              Harwell" at Nov 4, 92 10:20 am

Aw, quit griping, Anne.  Your man had his chance and blew it.  And I looked
at the witholding column of my paycheck last Monday, and it's already large,
thank you.  The Republicans can't accept the fact that the Dems beat them at
their own game - running a winning campaign.  I don't have great expectations
of Clinton, but he doesn't give me the fan-tods, like Bush did!

Two things which make Clinton marginally more attractive than Bush:
a.  He may bring some balance to the Supreme Court (I'm with Marty there).
b.  I don't want to sound anti-the-old, the WW II generation were a great
    bunch, but it's time to pass the torch.  They have to do it sometime.
    Bush sounded so tired (and relieved that it was over) yesterday.

See, nothing about economics, and all so very rational reasons.  ;-)
Look at the bright side, at least, you'll have a wonderful scapegoat.

Looking forward to your diatribes,

rashmi, cynic-at-large
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Subject:      e-oops
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Darn.  Sorry about that.  And for the fact that it's not as interesting as
Karen's earlier in the week.  :-)

rashmi
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From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Tushar on the Ga

>Greetings,
>
>Gee, and all I did was look in the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

The volumes there were in total disarray at the time, and the
volumes covering G, H etc were not obviously to be found. But
in face of adversity, I did not give up.

tushar
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Subject:      Spelling lesson

: the proper spelling for a sandwich in a roll from Philly is a Hoagie.

Sorry.  Does it taste better with malaise on it?

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:09:19 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      How elections work

Here is an example of how elections work. Or at least how they
work on the usenet).

I was watching with interest the fate of the rather strange
proposal for creating the newsgroup rec.arts.poems.urdu. There
were excellent arguments against forming a group of that name.

Still, the proposal passed resoundingly, which is interesting.
So I classified the Yes/No votes into "Non-Indian" and "Indian".
You can't always decide this from a name, so these are only
approximate numbers. But here they are:


YES votes:

Possibly non-Indian names: 5
Definitely Indian names: 283
[among them, definitely Indian Muslim names: 191]


NO votes:

Possibly Indian names: 16
Definitely Non-Indian names: 116


To me, the results show this: People who didn't want the group
were largely indifferent to Urdu poetry as such, and their main
reason for voting "no" was to preserve rationality in the naming
of new groups.

People who voted "yes" are people who like Urdu poetry. They don't
know much about the structure of the usenet, or can't be bothered
with it. They are largely unaware of the discussions going on in
administrative groups about the pros and cons of creating this
group. All they want is a group.

I didn't vote, but I am happy I have newsgroup to read.

tushar
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In a previous article, ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (blomberg cepeda) says:

>>
>>Easily done on a Mac. IBM, maybe something under Windows, otherwise, good
>>luck.
>>
>>-abh
>
>Nope. WordPerfect doesn't even need windows. Actually, I hate Windows. If I
>wanted a Mac, I'd buy one.
>
A local University just ditched a ton of old Mac Classics, for get this -
five bucks each piece.  That meant you could pick up drives, printer and
monitor - all functional - for $15 flat.  That's more than Macs are worth.
They were ditching electric typrwriters too for the same price, but those
were worth the money......<tossing mice, ducking Mac addicts>

>b. "we don't need no steenking mouses" c.
>
My definition of a mouse?  Grey, flexible cat food.<grin>  Accept no
[Apple] substitutes. 
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From: ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (blomberg cepeda)
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Subject: philosophy
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:59:13 GMT
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I would like to share with all of you my new coffee cup:

             Taoism:            Shit happens.

             Protestantism:     Let shit happen to someone else.

             Catholicism:       If shit happened, you deserved it.

             Judaism:           Why does shit always happen to us?

             TV Evangelism:     Send more shit.

             Confucianism:      Confucius say, "Shit happens"

             Buddhism:          If shit happens, it is not really shit.

             Zen Buddhism:      What is the sound of shit happening?

             Hinduism:          This shit happened before?

             Atheism:           No shit.

Any suggestions for future coffee cups? Gee, Frank, what would the Orthodox
one be, Shit only happens if my controller says so?  8-> (Is there a half-
serious, half-ironic smiley?)
                             b.c.
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From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
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              Macmillan" at Nov 10, 92 7:59 am

>
> Would you prefer to have it as a long email message or sent as file
> or does it matter?
>
> Michael E. Macmillan
> (macmillm@ewc)
>

Whatever is more convenient for you. Thank you, Michael.
Agnes
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Happy Days Are Here Again?
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              3 Nov 1992 04:31:40 GMT from <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>

On Tue, 3 Nov 1992 04:31:40 GMT Graham Toal said:
>
>But everyone knows you cant finger people at Brown...
>
   If you can't finger people at the home of   bisexu-l@brownvm, where
the hell CAN you finger them?

dan
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>I was in a restaurant this evening, and in walked Arlen Specter and his wife.
>It's not a very fancy place, but not your average student eatery either.
>Hadn't realized it was frequented by the <powerful?>, we go there because
>the food's delicious and it's not too crowded.  My friend had voted for Yeakel
>yesterday, and booed softly.  Don't think they heard him - Specter even waved
>and said hi.  I doubt if I'd have recognized him if it wasn't the day after
>the election.

	Don't know about Arlen, but Joan should know from food.  Does she still
	run that very chi-chi catering business, between meetings of Philly's
	City Council?

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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help on a word?
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:14:00 EST Alec D. Plotkin said:
>I need help on a word please, When MORMONS go away for a year to
>help people and spread their message what is called? They have a
>word or phrase which they use which I forgot.
>
  It IS a mission.  Contrary to any words to the contrary.  It IS a mission.
Many go on mission to a foreign country, but about half stay in the USA.
My middle sister met her husband when he knocked on her door in Charleston
IL where she was at EIU going to school.  He kept coming around and
spreading the Lord's word [or his version of it, or course], since missionaries
are not allowed to date or even THINK about sex or women while on mission.
They still usually wear dark suits, dark ties, white shirts, and ride
bicycles.  They always travel in pairs.
  Now some women go in mission too.  And about half of men do at ages 18-20
or so.  Also, since Utah is becoming "less mormon" than it used to be,
that some missionaries actually come from other countries or parts of the
USA to serve missions in Salt Lake City and other Utah towns.
  Anyway, that's the story....

dan
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