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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:25:16 -0400 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Shadow Stalker

Ken ---

    Who's playing _Bard Stefan_?  Well, I mean...Given the vast numbers
of male vocalists available to Teri Lee(i.e. last time I checked,
it was Larry Warner, Frank Hayes-Lee, and Michael Longcor), and given that
Frank and Michael cast _terribly_ into Stefan, yeah, you bet it's Larry...
;-)
    Don't hold your breath waiting for the tape; the entire thing was done
in third person to insure that Larry, being that he'd be playing a gay
role, doesn't get hit on all of the gay male fen like he's currently
getting hit on by all the straight female fen (or at least _most_
of them; I've heard enough stories that came directly from Larry
that I can certainly see, and agree with, their conclusion.)  (Larry is
straight.)  Can we say, "Weaker lyrics? ;-)  IMHO, the lyrics were fairly
uninspired, and I've been told that they've been given equally uninspired
tunes...
  It's a long story, which I won't discuss further on the filk echo for fear
of starting a flame war, but IMHO, Shadow Stalker is just another casualty
of all of the political wars that have been existed for years...

  There was, however, some talk about getting a lutenist(?) to do it,
which I think was a really neat idea, and I think will be the first time
there ever _was_ a lute played on a filk tape (although I've heard that
Karen Willson has been very actively learning to play the lute...)

    It will also be interesting to see how they did the arrangements;
excepting one song from the tape (I think it was that, "Web of power,
Web of light", which I could see being done by synth, _possibly_), all
of the songs seem quite clearly meant to be song by a person and possibly
one or more instruments.  The only guitarists who would appropriately
cast into the tape are Meg Davis (the only 6-string player accessible
to Firebird who is good enough, and is IMHO equally awesome on the 12-string),
and Leslie Fish (only good 12-string guitarist accessible to Firebird).
Leslie hasn't appeared on any recently recorded Firebird tapes (Neolithic
age was recorded almost a year ago...), which makes me wonder, and I don't
whether or not they can get Meg to do it.  Greg Shaver's guitar work
does _not_ cast, nor does Larry Warner's, nor does anyone else I know of
who is still working with Firebird.

It will be very interesting to see how it comes out...

Last interesting note --- note that Stefan is the only main character in
the book (out of Vanyel, Stefan and Tylendel) whose range wasn't clearly
stated.  Kinda interesting, huh? ;-)
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Tune for "Banned From Argo"?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 29 Aug 92  19:54:47

On <Aug 29 19:12>, Mary Creasey (1:102/524) wrote to  Scott Dorsey:

 MC>I wrote WHAT????
 MC>That does not in the LEAST look like what I posted...

Looks like somebody's system screwed up and appended real headers to garbage
messages.  This happens sometimes; mercifully not often! 

I do appreciate it when folks tell me about these, though I need a copy of the 
message complete with path information to track down the culpret.
 

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From: Richard.Sarner@f236.n271.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: FILK
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 31 Aug 92  12:10:02

JP-> I suppose Leonard Nimoy singing counts, though I seem to recall that
JP-> that's pretty awful.  Or was that the Shatner recording?

In 9th grade I joined my first chorus and learned I was nearly tone deaf. I
overcame this affliction. Even in that state, however, I never called the
Shatner or Nimoy recordings "singing" <g>  
 
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From: Keith.Wood@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: "Last Verse Littlejohn" is BACK!
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 02 Sep 92  18:42:28

I know, you're all saying "so what?!"
 
This is Keith Wood (formerly Littlejohn).  Just thought I'd try to track down 
the Filk Echo, and decide if I want to carry it on MY BBS 
(BRASS CANNON (602) 639-1039).  We're already carrying the Paul Revere 
Network (gun rights echo), and that makes the phone company very happy come
bill time.
 
Well, enough for now.  Hi, Mike!  Hi the rest of you!
 
From the wilds of Arizona,
 
Be seeing you!
 
Keith
 


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From: Richard.Sarner@f236.n271.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: music
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 31 Aug 92  11:59:00

Sci-con is held in Va Beach, I'll be posting about it in a couple weeks. And
will send ypu an off echo message.
 As to the Lost Filk Session of '92, I'll gladly let you know of the next
hoped for plotting session. Feel free to post to the rest of us about your
dream session. If your idea is chosen, you could be the winner of a Filk sing.
   Translation: we have wanted to do it, but as we have no musicians, only one 
of us has tapes, and none of us has much spare time, it has not happened
--yet.

 Hmmm, there's an Idea:
Statement:  there are people in our aea with an intrest in filk.
#2 MAny of these people have never heard a filk.
#3 Most would like to but never get round to it.

Proposition: We form a filkless support group to be called the unfilk society.
The goal of each member will be to subtrovert the group by attempting to hear 
and learn all the filk possible and passing on this experience to the others. 
As each member is exposed to this medium they will recieve demerit points till 
eventually, we have to call ourselves filkers.

Tom Arnold? Bettie? Robert? Phil?
What say you?  I will be planning my first major attack at Sci-Con.  
 
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From: adam@micromuse.co.uk (Adam Kerrison)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Kid Gloves
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:02:57 GMT
Reply-To: adam@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse Ltd, London, UK

In article 2SEP199215272434@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov, inthalw@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Magnus) writes:
>I was wondering what everyone out there thinks about "Kid Gloves" on p/g. I 
>don't believe that I've even seen the song mentioned here in months. Is it 
>crap not worth mentioning or sublime enough to not need any discussion.
>
>I'm just curious. Perhaps later I'll give my opinion of it.
>
>Later,
>Magnus

Kid Gloves is one of my fav's. Great eat to the whole song (esp. the 5/4 bits) and
an amazing solo by Alex in the middle ! (One guitarist I know used to go green and 
hide in a corner at the mention of TRYING to play it)

Well that my opinion - anybody else ??

Adam
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:06:41 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep2.144458.26209@burrhus.harvard.edu> dsvoss@isr.harvard.edu (Steve Voss) writes:
>  In "Anthem", the man finds
>technology; he is man the inventor.  His enemy is described as a bunch
>of sheep, cowering in fear from technology, from the power held by the
>minds of women and men.  On the other hand, the character in "2112"
>discovers a guitar, a musical instrument.  His enemy resides in a
>hall filled with computers, used to regulate the behavior of those
>not among the Priests of Syrinx.  They seem to fear the power held
>by the human spirit, as it could be expressed in music.  I think
>the two examples are qualitatively different.  What do you think?

As Neil would respond in the Backstage Club Q&A: Uh, sure.


Gregg

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From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Signals- how it fared in the poll
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:43:46 GMT
Organization: Kamchatka Charlie

root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:

>You are correct about the guitar [on Signals], i seem to recall Alex
>saying that and I quote "Signals was real down album for me" unquote...

     Interesting note about the sound of Signals:  It was during then that Alex
was getting into the synth bands of the time (Ultravox, Yaz, Art of Noise,
etc).  By the time the band finished with the album, Alex found himself mixed
down low in the mix, and Terry Brown found himself without a steady job.
     This leads to the p/g album, which I think is the best of the lot.  Just
the sound concept that comes through (guitars vs synths) is what makes it stand
out for me.

>anyway my $0.02 worth, for what it matters :-)
same here

Kamchatka Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Great Moments / Emotive Music
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:29:16 GMT

My favorite "emotional" moment in a song:

On the ASoH video where Geddy's waiting to sing "And the meek shall..." He's
all ready to spit it out... but wait! Where's Alex?! Geddy goes through a
whole concert hall-ful of emotions in this short 5 seconds; confusion, fear,
wonderment, startlation (yeah, I made that one up), elation, and funny-isn't-
it,-we're-normal-people-too. Oh, and jest. Pretty much in that order.
A classic, almost improvisational moment.
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:35:16 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

>      There is also Madrigal Man (off the A Farewell To Kings album), which
> holds very Randian phrasing ("Because he was good...they judged him insane" a

You mean Cinderella Man, which seems based on the character of Cinderella.
Or is that too obvious?  Don't forget - Geddy Lee wrote that song.

>      Off "Hemispheres" we get The Trees, which (IMHO--NOTE--IMHO) tells a tal
> of class struggle in the Randian viewpoint--the lesser Maples gain their
> victory, but end up getting cut down as well, whereas they would have continu
> if they'd left the oaks alone.

But since the oaks were higher, than the maples don't need to be cut down
to size.  Of course, this is a silly argument.   I don't think the song
is as deep and philosophical as that, anyhow.

Take care,
Eric

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From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Red Sector A and Distant Early Warning
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:38:12 EDT

In article <1992Aug31.121754.15248@husc3.harvard.edu>
gownder@husc9.harvard.edu (Joseph Gownder) writes:
 
>
>Comments?
>
>- J. P.
>gownder@husc9.harvard.edu
>
 
What?
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From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment (was: Signals- how it fared in the poll
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug31.144313.26004@Csli.Stanford.EDU> mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>
>All true. My absolute favorite moment of Peart's drumming -- in fact,
>my favorite Rush Moment, so to speak, is the latter third of "Vital
>Signs" where Neil & Alex just rip into the last verse "Leave out the
>fiction/the fact is: this friction..." It's INCREDIBLE! Any other
>favorite moments out there?

I love the ``The Grand Finale'' -- especially the last half
where Neil varies his percusion, and Alex has his guitars
rippin'.

>-- 
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>So many newsgroups, so little time...


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From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: sloppy joe
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:34:59 GMT

In <1992Sep2.174444.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>> Sorry I can't say the same for anything on ASOH. It's their one live
>> album I just don't like very much -- too sloppy. 
>> 

>	So what do you mean by "sloppy"?  Technical mistakes?

Three things, mainly. First of all, the Boyz simply don't sound as
energetic as they did on, say, ATWAS. Maybe it has something to do
with age, or perhaps the fact that most of ATWAS is the Led
Zeppelin-type stuff (i.e. "What You're Doing", "By-Tor & the Snow
Dog") -- stuff where you can really rock.

Second of all, Geddy doesn't sing very well on this album. It's not
*that* surprising to me, since on both the tours I saw them (HYF &
RTB), he didn't sing that well, either. Again, it may have to do with
the age thing, or perhaps just the touring itself. (I know I'd have
problems singing *that* high every night!) Compare, for instance, the
way he sings the intro to "Force Ten": it's sort of like he slides
from note to note instead of singing each one crisply and distinctly
like he does on the album. 

On that same note (sorry), I miss the vocal harmonization in songs
like "The Big Money". I know some people don't like the fake sound of
voice overlays, but I do. Oh well. 

Thirdly, the keyboard parts don't seem to be reproduced very well in
concert. I'm pretty convinced that plenty of the synthesizer sounds
are preprogrammed and not in fact live (how could Geddy play all those
at once?), and it shows. 

Just answering your question. Some of the old stuff *does* sound
really good, especially "Closer to the Heart." I wonder if they'll
record that one on their *next* live album, too! :)
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From: jmukher@lonestar.utsa.edu (Joy . Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: anybody know what this means?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:35:14 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug25.171811.27218@newsgate.sps.mot.com> RZAL90@email.sps.mot.com (Eric Johnson) writes:
>On several albums, the liner notes include something like:
>
>Brought to you by the letter "M"  (Power Windows)
>                             "D"  (Presto)
>                             "B"  (Roll The Bones)

It started on Power Windows when the guys noticed that a great number of the
songs started with the letter M.  If you ever watched Seseme Street, they do
something similar.  Since that album, they have included it on the others.

>Also, "Now it's dark."  (RTB also)

Don't know...
From: "mike rizzello" <mike.rizzello@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: rush ancestry
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:12:24 EST
Reply-To: "mike rizzello" <mike.rizzello@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


 There was some talk about the guys parents earlier on.  I do believe
that Geddy's are Jewish from Poland (they came to Canada after fleeing
from Nazi concentration camps).  IT is obvious that Alex is Yugoslavian
 the trouble is which part.  He was born somewhere in Eastern Canada,
(my friend and also MEGA Rush fan said in or around Halifax).  And Niel
is the son of a farm-equiptment salesman (or something like that 'cause
St. Catherines is in the heart of Ontario's farming industry), and
probably third for fourth generation from somewhere in the U.K.

 Of course this is just from my findings, if there are any re-buttles
please do it quietly!  And don't anyone post any FAQ lists or such!!!

Cheers!!!

 Mike RIzzelLO

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: ? bootlegs (was Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:57:31 CDT
Keywords: bootleg's

I'm not that sure about all this "bootleg" talk.  These bootleg CD's like
"The Fly" are available in many record stores (albeit smaller, local ones,
usually singular outfits, and never the chain stores).  If these truly were
"bootlegs", it would be rather easy to take care of the problem at its
source, unless there has been a change in the laws regarding bootleg
records.  I would imagine the groups are well aware of these CD's, and
would do something about them if they really wanted to.
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Subject: sloppy joe
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:44:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> Sorry I can't say the same for anything on ASOH. It's their one live
> album I just don't like very much -- too sloppy. 
> 
> -- 
> Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
> So many newsgroups, so little time...
> 

	So what do you mean by "sloppy"?  Technical mistakes?

Thomas Beaudoin
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From: rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush,comp.theory,alt.revisionism,alt.fan.warlord,alt.romance,alt.stupidity,alt.whine,rec.arts.disney,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: A 5150 group!
Followup-To: alt.slack
Date: 25 Aug 1992 20:12:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.091331.24511@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes:
>I was 5150's biggest fan until he shaved off his eyebrows.

Well, if Kris Kross do it, it MUST be k00l.

5150
oh my, look at the crossposting. whoops.
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From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: Red Sector A and Distant Early Warning
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:46:57 GMT

In <1992Aug31.121754.15248@husc3.harvard.edu> gownder@husc9.harvard.edu (Joseph Gownder) writes:

>Comments?
about what?
>- J. P.
>gownder@husc9.harvard.edu


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From: mcr1@quads.uchicago.edu (mark conley roller)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Interview Part II
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:51:21 GMT
Reply-To: mcr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


Mark, 

	There are now several diffrent 'charts' for songs to enter. Pop 100,
Modern Rock, Album Rock, etc. Like dreamline, which was on the top of the
Album Rock charts for about 7 weeks, Ghost of a Chance was up there. But this
is entirely different from Kasey's good ole top 40, which is more reserved
for pop- like pop100.

Chris
" All of the seasons, and all of the days. All of the reasons why i felt
this way."
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Interview with Alex
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:59:49 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:

> I thought RTB never went platinum (whereas other albums like PW and MP did).

Dunno.  I didn't write it.  [grin]


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From: gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler)
Subject: Re: anybody know what this means?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:40:37 GMT

RZAL90@email.sps.mot.com (Eric Johnson) writes:

>On several albums, the liner notes include something like:

>Brought to you by the letter "M"  (Power Windows)
>                             "D"  (Presto)
>                             "B"  (Roll The Bones)

>I'm just curious if anyone has ever heard if these mean anything, or 
>just an inside joke of some kind or?

I always assumed that it was a take off on Sesame Street.  At the end
of each program they say something like "Sesame Street was brought to
you today by the letters T and V, and the number 5."
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Dream Theater Sounds Like RUSH -- NOT!
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:01:18 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep03.134108.10819@bnr.ca> herrage@bnr.ca writes:
>I completely disagree with whoever thought that Dream Theater sounded a lot
>like RUSH.  Someone I work with picked up their "Images and Words" CD and
>loaned it to me.  I've listened to the whole thing at least twice and could
>not find anything musically, technically, lyrically, or instrumentally com-
>mon between them and RUSH.

>Personally, Dream Theater is too choppy with their phrasing.  There's not
>any smooth flowing.  I also don't care that much for drummers/percussion-
>ists who try to cram too much where it doesn't belong (musically).  This
>guy is technically capable but doesn't have the qualities of a musician
>(at least in the terms I've mentioned above).  I also don't like bands
>that make songs with time signature changes just for the sake of having
>them.  There are a lot of these that just don't fit (musically) where they
>occurred. 


I must agree with this assessment; I was lured into buying a $6 copy of
_I and W_ and was glad I paid only 6. It's not bad, and is better (IMHO)
than Fates Warning, but it in no way approaches Rush quality. As with
Fates Warning one finds people who've mastered the technique of the
better hard rock groups of the late 70's and who are trying to write
their own songs, which turn out to be less well written that the songs
of the 70's they learned to play. 


Gregg




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