HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu
Subject: Having serious problems with some apps in 3.0 upgrade
Reply-To: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:49:35 GMT

Greetings:

I just upgraded from 2.2 to 3.0.  Everything seemed to go fine, until I  
restarted the system.  I tried to start the NetWare manager app, but  
received this message: "NetWare is enabled but not running.  It will start  
when the computer is rebooted."  I clicked on OK and rebooted the  
computer.  Well the same darn thing happened again.  the same message,  
everything.  Over and over again, it happened.  I cannot log into any  
novell fileserver because of the message complained about and because I  
cannot bring up our list of fileservers.  None of the servers show.

I could really use some advice on this.  I have a serious need to get the  
NetWare client working properly, and nobody in NeXT Land or anywhere else  
will provide assistance.

Interesting enough, neither the HostManager.app or the SimpleNetwork  
Starter.app will function either.  They try to start and then they merely  
die.

Can anyone tell me what to do to restore these apps to full functioning?   
thanks.  I appreciate it.

Joe


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From: cartley@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Craig Artley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: opening netinfo backup
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:35:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <5417@rosie.NeXT.COM> amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum) writes:
[interesting NetInfo tips deleted]

One thing I've wondered is how can I change the NetInfo database of a
clone if the master is down?  For example, say I come in one day and
find that my master machine has self-destructed.  Since it might take
several days to fix, I might like to make one of my clones be the
master so I can add new users, etc.  So I need to change master
property via
	% niutil -createprop / / master "new_master"/network
Unfortunately, you can't do this unless the "old_master" is alive.

Is there a trick for doing this?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson)
Subject: HostManager.app does not work
Reply-To: dean@thrall.com
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:20:07 GMT


I need some help. I just upgraded to 3.0 and now HostManager.app and  
UserManager.app do not work.

The only thing that I can think of is that my SLIP software is messing it up  
somehow. When I configured the SLIP connection you must do it as a Non-NetInfo  
network. Maybe that's the problem (BTW, I am using Marble's Teleconnect).
Also, when I launch NetInfoManager.app it brings up the SLIP conecction.

Any hwlp would be greatly appreciated.

Dean

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From: Stephan Bublava <stephan@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: strange entries in /private/adm/messages
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6FBCF5B73012E02@htumac1.tuwien.ac.at>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00: 07:55 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, TU Wien
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:07:17 GMT

I just looked at /private/adm/messges and it is full with
entries as listed below.
...
Oct  9 23:36:06 iguwnext mach: mach_input: unknown type
Oct  9 23:38:11 iguwnext last message repeated 394 times
Oct  9 23:38:11 iguwnext mach: mach_input: unknown type
Oct  9 23:40:16 iguwnext last message repeated 386 times
Oct  9 23:40:16 iguwnext mach: mach_input: unknown type
Oct  9 23:42:21 iguwnext last message repeated 386 times
Oct  9 23:42:22 iguwnext mach: mach_input: unknown type
Oct  9 23:44:26 iguwnext last message repeated 372 times
Oct  9 23:44:26 iguwnext mach: mach_input: unknown type
Oct  9 23:46:31 iguwnext last message repeated 398 times
Oct  9 23:46:31 iguwnext mach: mach_input: unknown type
Oct  9 23:48:36 iguwnext last message repeated 396 times
...

I am not very familiar with NeXT (nevertheless I
have to administrate one) and/or Unix, but this seems fishy.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Stephan Bublava
stephan@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Bernhard Nocker)
Subject: UpgradePrep.app won't run under Workspace.app????
Keywords: NS3.0 upgrade 
Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:28:43 GMT


Hi you all!

This time I have a little problem upgrading some machines (NeXTcube and  
NeXTstation mono/color) to NS3.0. At least, it seems to be impossible!
After double clicking UpgradePrep.app a panel appears saying: "This  
application must be run under Workspace.app". But since double-clicking an  
application is almost impossible within a shell I'm surprised! 
Of course I was logged in as root, I enabled PublicWindowServer, but ...
no luck.

Any ideas?

-Bernhard 
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University of Salzburg's Department of Computing Studies
Jakob-Haringerstr. 5	5020 Salzburg    Austria, Europe
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From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Mail permissions (scary!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:17:54 GMT
Reply-To: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X

In article <1992Oct12.10250.14181@ms.uky.edu> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu   
writes:
> 
> Hmmm... Most of the accounts on the machines I've seen have a 755  
permission on  
> the ~/Mailboxes dir. I created a test user with UserManager.app and its  
> Mailboxes dir also had 755 permissions. Have I done something wrong?
> 

No, but NeXT did ! Change the permissions in /usr/template/user/Mailboxes
and all new users will have the correct values !

A really bad security leck !

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From: demarco@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Vince Demarco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Terminal Servers for the NeXT
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:17:15 GMT
Organization: University of Calgary


Are there any Terminal Servers available for the NeXT??

The Terminal Server hardware isn't dependent on a particular machine
but the configuration software would be.

Also what is the email address of the company that makes the SLAT box
for the NeXT?????

vince

demarco@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
From: da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Apfelbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Documentation Bug.
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:22:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Aerov4200WA7EZEIIa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


[A copy of this has been sent to 'bug_next@next.com'.  I though it might
help to post another copy here...]

I just finished helping a another NeXT user deal with some problems
involving cron and mounting a second SCSI disk.  Now I realize that cron
needing execution paths to be happy is one of those little details that
users need to share & talk about (although a next-answer on it would be
nice), but the disk problem is a bit more critical.

It seems that his cron job (which did a cp of his current files over to
the backup (secondary) drive) would return an error message that it was
unhappy and could not find his drive, dispite the fact that he could see
it was mounted in his workspace when he logged in.  Of course, the real
problem was that his workspace was autodiskmounting his disk for him
whenever he logged in, and later when cron ran (& he was not logged in),
the disk was unavailable...  The solution:  Remove the 'noauto' option
from his /etc/fstab file line for the drive.

Now this is a fairly common problem, and I was all set to tell him to
RTFM (with the exact manual locations), when I realized YOU HAVE THIS
WRONG IN YOUR ONLINE SYSADMIN MANUALS!!!  Specifically, version 3.0,
/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/07_Peripherals/01_SCSIDisks.rtfd
repeatedly states to use the noauto option in fstab (for the new disk
drive), which nicely voids that cute little statement 'mount -vat 4.3'
in the rc scripts...  The documentation then goes on to discribe the
behavior patterns of missing the noauto option in this /etc/fstab line.

[Note to others:  The noauto option is NECESSARY for the root partition,
but not desirable for other drives that you also wish to automatically
mount upon booting.  See mount(8).]

So, how about a next-answer on this?  Or a 'updated docs/release notes'?


Thanks,

    -David Apfelbaum.
     da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: bh1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bob Troyer Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Appletalk Personal Laserwriter
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:11:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kep9Lem00WBGIuHul3
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've just upgraded to NS3.0, and included the Appletalk package.  While
I don't care much about the server info that seems so screwy, I
desperately want to be able to use the networked printers.

We've been able to print to a LaserWriter NTX via appleshare, but we
can't seem to get good documents to the Personal Laserwriters.  When we
set up the Personal Laserwriter using Personal Lasterwriter NT or NTP
drivers, the test sheet from the spooler comes out fine, but any
document we try to print tells us that "One or more pages could not be
printed due to a PostScript error."

Is there a Personal Laserwriter driver out there that will solve our
problems?  Are the root of the problems somewhere else?  Help?

                                        -Bob Hansen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: dale@hecate.phy.queensu.ca (Dale Swanston)
Subject: Network wide accounts
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:13:22 GMT

We have just recently received 2 NeXTs and I have been thrown the job of  
administrating with no real prior experience.  So needless to say I have   
a couple questions.  I've managed to get most things figured out but still  
see a couple things going on that don't make any sense.

I would like to make a network-wide account.  I have followed the  
procedures layed out in the documentation.  Fine.  The account's home  
directory first of all does not come up with the proper icon (just the  
folder not the house) and the owner of the home directory is not itself (I  
made it so the owner is dale not john as it should be).  Any attempt to  
chown to the proper user name does not work (even as root).  

Am I just totally out to lunch or what?  I apologize if this is a FAQ but  
I went through all the comp.sys.next.announce FAQs and couldn't find  
anything.

If the answer is so obvious (which it may be) please tell me and if you  
need more info just email me and I'll be more complete.

Thanks in advance.

Dale Swanston	
Queen's University 	 
Kingston, Ontario
dale@hecate.phy.queensu.ca
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: opening netinfo backup
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:07:15 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1b2cmmINNhof@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes:
>This is a huge drawback of the NetInfo, that it allows communication
>with the active copies of the database.  There has to be a way to
>allow editing of inactive copies of the netinfo databases, i.e., those
>I make by doing:
>cp -rp /etc/netinfo /etc/netinfo.backup

What about making your backup something like backup.nidb in /etc/netinfo,
then killing and restarting nibindd (I doubt firing up a netinfod backup will
work since nibindd most likely won't know it's there) or rebooting, and using
niutil -t local/backup -read or whatnot?  3.0's NetInfoManager even has an
Open by Tag feature so you can use that.

The database'll be there but no one will try to bind to it 'cause no one
knows it's there.

There are only two things I'm not sure of about this -- I'm not 100% sure it
won't cause some problems in binding depending on the master property in it.
Well, actually, that's it.  I've done it by, um, accident once and it didn't
seem to have an adverse affect on the rest of the network's operation.

>Izumi Ohzawa
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opposed to the scientific spirit; it is also opposed to all other attempts
at rational thinking.  Not by accident does Genesis 3 make the father of
knowledge a serpent -- slimy, sneaking and abominable.  Since the earliest
days the church as an organization has thrown itself violently against every
effort to liberate the body and mind of man.  It has been, at all times and
everywhere, the habitual and incorrigible defender of bad governments, bad
laws, bad social theories, bad institutions.  It was, for centuries, an
apologist for slavery, as it was the apologist for the divine right of kings.
- H. L. Mencken
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: files' owner changes on its own
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:57:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


Some more information on my phantom-owner-changer: it appears to start
at the leaves of the directory, and and then the next level down, at
10 minute intervals (on the 10 minute mark).  Nothing in crontab looks
like it could be the culprit.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: mattocks@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Craig A. Mattocks)
Subject: Re: files' owner changes on its own
Keywords: ownership, directory, disk
Organization: University of Miami, RSMAS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:06:06 GMT

Hi!
   For those of you suffering from "mysterious drifting directory  
ownership disease" under NS 3.0 (wherein the ownership of files and  
directories changes every few minutes or so and "chown -R owner  
/directory" doesn't work, Mark Adler's posts helped me solve my problem.  
As reported by Mark, you have to change the label of your external hard  
drive to match the hostname. Specifically, if you have a disk named  
"harddisk" in your SCSI daisy chain and your machine's name is "hostname",
do this:

   umount /dev/sd1a
   disk - H hostname /dev/rsd1a
   mount /dev/sd1a /harddisk

then issue all your chown commands. I hope this helps someone and MANY  
THANKS to Mark for being so helpful.

   Craig A. Mattocks, Atmospheric Research Scientist
   RSMAS-MPO, U of Miami
   4600 Rickenbacker Cswy.
   Miami, Florida  33149
From: rolfe@w3vh.UUCP (Rolfe Tessem)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Does Appletalk on NS 3.0 work or not?
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 18:25:34 GMT
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions

maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu writes in article <BvwwnJ.IFB@spock.dis.cccd.edu>:
> 
> I
> just not happening.  I've read on the net that NeXT's implamentation
> doesn't work and should be avoided.  Is this true?  If so, I'd like
> to verify so I don't waste anymore time trying to get it to work.
> Also, are Ushare or the Executor utility the only other alternatives
> in NeXTstep 3.0?

CAP works just fine if you have a Kinetics Fastpath or Cayman Gatorbox
available. Also, it's free.
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From: aherskow@reis5.alleg.edu (Aaron David Herskowitz)
Subject: Re: How to message network users before system shutdown?
Reply-To: aherskow@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:51:40 GMT

Well, in my search, I have run into some good suggestions, too bad that none of them  
seem to do exactly what we want.  Great thanks to everyone that replied so far, you have  
given me some good ideas.

Mostly the problem with any app is that you have to set Public Window Server on each  
machine you want it to run.  That makes things kind of "insecure" for the normal user (or  
Sys Adm.)  So here is one more question on this subject:

	Is is possible to set Public Window Server for a group?  Meaning, could only a  
certain group write to the Window Server so that we could disable the Public Window  
Server access for the rest of the network.  This would pretty much solve the problem and  
would allow an App to be run and pop-up on the remote machine.

Thanks to all of you that have making suggestions/etc..  Keep them coming and maybe  
we can fix this.
Aaron
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: uunet!mwhhlaw!bob (Robert L. Hartley Jr.)
Subject: Re: DOS and Mac floppies w/ 3.0
Reply-To: bob@mwhhlaw.com
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:47:12 GMT

In article <BvpGIG.92M.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)  
writes:
> >Sep 28 17:24:17 Workspace: Mounted floppy disk at /3Ff91{@ F
> 
> I have this problem whenever I try to mount a DOS floppy that doesn't
> have a volume name.  Every time I mount one that *does* have a volume
> name, it comes up properly with that name.  That much is an
> improvement over 2.1, where all DOS disks were called "/DOS".  Still,
> the default name *should* be something reasonable.  Looks like an
> uninitialized variable to me.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Could be, but take a look inside /usr/filesystems/DOS.fs/DOS.label.

I know when you do that, you'll think aha, I can just change the  
contents of this file and get a reasonable default label name.  Tried  
it.  Doesn't work, although I didn't try a reboot.  I may have it  
backwards though.  This file may be where the system writes the DOS  
label rather than where the system reads it.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: kris@coyote.fdn.org (Christophe Janot)
Subject: Re: /etc/systemTar.Z wanted
Reply-To: kris@coyote.fdn.org (Christophe Janot)
Organization: RNuG
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.034816.17101@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
> I wish to be able to return my machine to "stand alone"
> 
> I currently is server and I think I have configured the 
> machine more than once in SimpleNetWorkStarter.

An original NetInfo Config and /etc/hostconfig file can be found in  
/usr/template/client/etc. Just copy them in your /etc.

Kris
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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: find doesn't work
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:19:20 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <3096@news.cerf.net> jerry@unit.org writes:
>
>When I update the find database (/usr/lib/find/updatedb) and run
>find 'word' I get no response. This worked in 2.0. Has anyone
>run into this same problem?
>
>--
>----
>Jerry
>jerry@gristle.com

    You have to supply wildcards now... I personally believe it's a bug, it
    should default to the old operation if you supply an argument with no
    wildcarding.

    % find "*word*"

					-Matt
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From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: remote use of Next from Next?
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:30:15 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

Where in the "documentation" is the method of running an app on one  
Next with the window appearing on another given?  I've tried the DL  
with host, remote, window, ... and no luck.  I'll be glad to RTFM if I  
can just find what part to read.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: bug in tar, anyone fixed it?
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:00:12 GMT

In article <1avjb7INN848@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes:
>
>Zenon Fortuna admirably does some testing and concludes:
>
>>> The original posting was about tar-like program which should handle names
>>> longer than 100 characters.
>>> MANY PEOPLE answered, that the gnutar is the solution. Somebody is wrong   :)
>
>gnutar is indeed *a* solution.  You did not follow your test through to
>its conclusion, which is to reextract the files.  Yes, the names (including
>paths) longer than 100 characters get renamed to @@MaNgLeD.n, where n is
>an integer.
[some statements omitted]
>
>I said "a" solution as opposed to "the" solution, since this doesn't
>help when you want to extract a particular file without extracting all
>of them.  There may be a way to do that with gnutar that I don't know,
>are extracted.  Actually, let me try that ...
>
>Hmm, doesn't quite work.  A "gnutar xvf - @@MaNgLeD.\*" got all the
>files like that, but at the end it was not able to rename them to where
>they belonged, since the directories did not exist.  I might call this a
>bug in gnutar ...
[some statements omitted]
>
>Mark Adler
>madler@cco.caltech.edu

Yes, gnutar works but is very limited in its handling of looong names.

But, if someone can accept "cpio(1)", then this utility works OK.
Try the commands:

	% find . -print | cpio -o > file_name		(to create archive)
	% cpio -it < file_name				(to make listing)
	% cpio -i 'selected_name' < file_name		(to extract)

and this works for all lengths of file- and directory names.

	-Z.
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From: breid@cs.washington.edu (Bradley Reid)
Subject: HostManager.app does not work
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:25:01 GMT

Please reply to dean@thrall.com (his posting seems to be broken at the moment)

I just upgraded to 3.0 last week and have had no problems; until now.
HostManager.app and UserManager.app do not work. They start to launch, but 
soon die before starting. 

The only thing that I could think of is that my SLIP software might have
something to do with it (BTW, I'm using Marble's Teleconnect). When you
configure SLIP you do so as a Non-NetInfo network; Could this be the
problem?

Also when I launch NetInfoManager.app, it brings up my SLIP interface.
Why would it do that?

So I'm pretty stumped, and I'd like to be able to use these applications.
Any hints or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean Johnson
dean@thrall.com

Please try to respond to dean@thrall.com
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: fbshow in rc.local
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:03:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Oct14.170342.29839
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

I posted a short summary of this stuff onto comp.sys.next.misc.  The
fbshow command does the pretty informative display on the non-verbose
boot up.  Don't know about the parameters, but the '*'s are line
breaks.  The rc.local I posted to comp.sys.next.misc contains commands
to nppower off and start up adim at boot up. 

-Andrew
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