HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Jews and Ozir (Was Re: What is H a m a s ??)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:07:13 GMT

ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) writes:
# 
# Although I don't like your way of insulting Hamzah, I would like
# to hear your version of the story. Please grow up!
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
MY vesrion? I am talking about the Bible's version... I will post
it later today, under the same subject line.

# Did Jacob (pbuh) break the Angels leg?  Which leg though?
# Is there a description of the angel in the story that mentioned
# in the Torat?  Why was their a fight?

Good questions. Like other stories of the Bible, this one has many
interpretations in different levels. I will try to elaborate more.


-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:40:09 GMT

In <1993Jan19.221807.8030@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) says:
>In <EGGERTJ.93Jan17225349@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan17.183031.29804@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

>>>   The context of the event should also be put into context.  During the
>>>   War of Independence, all Jewish residents of the section of Jerusalem
>>>   overrun by Jordan were kicked out (at least, those who weren't
>>>   murdered) and were never offered any compensation.  The expropriation
>>>   after the Six Day War merely restored the status quo ante, and much of
>>>   the property expropriated--with compensation--in '67 had been taken
>>>   from Jews in '48 without compensation.

>>Simple tit for tat, then?  That is indeed context, but it is hardly
>>justification.

>When someone is caught driving a stolen car, is the car taken away
>from him immediately or does he negotiate with the police over how
>much he should be paid for giving up the stolen car to it's rightful owner?

That depends on whether the car *can* be taken from him without lots of
bloodshed, and gunfire which is going to damage the car, etc.

And then it depends on whether your main objective is getting the car
back intact with minimal loss of life, or whether your goal is punishing
the guy.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | "We don't need anymore [sic] wretched refuse.  It's 
niepornt@phoenix.    |  time to send the Statue of Liberty somewhere else"
   princeton.edu     |      -- Jack "Not a bigot" Schmidling, 1/7/93
Baltimore Orioles 93 |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: Re: STOP IT
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:04:33 GMT

To the poster of the "STOP IT" article:

Yes, I think I like your message very much.

I did not intend to single out Mr. Hamza though I find his remarks
particularly problematic as they tend to attack entire people (religions)
rather than specific individuals with whom he disagrees.

Though Mr. Oueichek is a good friend of mine, I must say in all honesty
that I emphatically disapprove of the style he and Mr. Faris use as well.

In other words, let us *ALL* grow up and try to show some respect for
each other.

Endless flames do not accomplish anything productive. They don't help
us build the bridges that we need. They only serve to turn the clock
back and force us back to square one.

I hope that *ALL* parties involved will take the necessary measures
to end this infantile conduct and get on with bigger and better things.

Salam,
From: elhasnao@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Mail Address in Morocco
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:59:12 GMT

I am looking for a computer address in MOROCCO.  Please if anybody 
knows I'll appreciate if they could post it.


Thank you

Hamid.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO)
Subject: Be careful... The dirty plan...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:05:00 GMT

Dear netters,
	Have you heard a speech by Ya.. Shamir (Israel's prime Minister)
about Israel's claim on Arab land from Nile river to Euphrate river according
to jews bible (Torah)? 
	Have you read Bosnian Army's general claim on Russian
general who are helping Serbian forces in Belgrade?
	Have you read about the new American president's position on 
Palestine and Israel?
	have you read the US Government Publication that tells us about 
the US COngress against Muslim Fundamentalists? 

Be Alert....


hadi...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6841 talk.politics.mideast:26026
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: U.S spokesman: killing Iraqi civilians absolutely necessary.
Date: 18 Jan 93 09:23:13 GMT
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 14 Jan 93 21:39:57 GMT, ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) said:


Ilyess> what he said (I forgot his name, it sounds like Fridge-water :-)
Ilyess> is something like "we try to keep the number of civilian casualities
Ilyess> to what is absolutely necessary..." Still not good enough, Heh?
[...]
Ilyess> How cool, Fridge! By the way, whatever happened to that Tut-Weet,..er..
Ilyess> Tut-whaler.. Tut whatever? is she still a spokeslady?
 
I was amazed by this Fridge-water in one of his briefings 
speaking about US BEING IN A DEFENSIVE ACTION OVER THE
SKIES OF IRAQ after the bombing of Baghdad last night.

Here I really beg for some opinions of  americans who support
this neo-colonialism, I just would like to know how the
clear facts can  be twisted. . . .
Malek.
--
 Malek.
 
 "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Fuck you all !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:29:58 GMT

cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
# 
# ashamam@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Asher Shamam) says:
# 
## here come the bombs..... ha ha ha 
## 
# 
# All netters on sca should write to his system administrator.

While Mr. Shamam's poster is idiotic (if indeed he wrote it - once, in
the past, he wrote that his account had been broken into), it is
especially amusing to see the racist Jew hater, Mr. Salah, who advovates
sticking long knives into Jews and spreads anti-Jewish hatered which
he falsly bases on the Quoran, protest the poster by Mr. Shamam!

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Arab intelletuals and the binary mind
Keywords: Bulbul, serious, sarcasm, Usenet Storm
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:06:42 GMT
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <nabeel.727738474@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
 
>sarcastic about Al-Bani as in the first line cited here. And the last
>line claims that Mr. B. respects Al-Albani, probably, like I respect
>Fahd & The Gang.

One problem I see with Arab intellectual is the fact they have  a binary mind,
this of course is not specific to Arabs, but I know my people more than others
and I can only talk about them. What I mean by a binary mind is a mind that
most of the time makes binary decisions: I like you or I hate you, It is bad
or it is good, I adopt everything that author says, I do not recommend anything
that author says, etc...

Usually this kind of attitude is a sign of lack of maturity or experience,
It should go away after five to ten years of balanced and continues readings.
The problem is that many people never succeed in getting rid of that attitude,
either because of lack of readings, or some personality flaws, or some other
reason I do not know.

To give you an idea I will choose the example above to illustrate:
The fact that I don't consider ALbani a FAqih (an opinion shared by most
Muslim scholars, so it is not solely my opinion) does not mean that I do not
respect him as a Muhaddith (a scholar of Hadith). I do not have to be a scholar
to have an opinion about a scholar, any person with a mind can decide if such
or such a person is or is not a reliable a scholar. 
Another example, do you know that Ibn Baz did not believe that the earth
is round and some other scientific facts? I find this ridiculous, but I do
not forget that the man is blind, and that he get his information from
what people read to him... So this puts everything he says into the
proper perspective, I still respect him and take whatever Fatwah about
RITUALS that he says seriously, but not anything beyond that.

After a long period of balanced and continuous readings every person will
eventually have opinions about all the authors that contributed to his
background (either positively or negatively).. He/She will adopt his/her
own filtering system towards any authors that is adjusted as the whole set
of opinions of the said person adjusts and converges (and unfortunately
hardens) to a stable one.



=====================================================================
Tamuutul Usdu Filghaabaati Juu'an    WaLahmu-Dha'ani Yurmaa Lilkilaabi
::::::::::::::********************************:::::::::::::::
Ilyess Ben Bdira    Montreal Quebec  Canada
E-mail ilyess@ECE.concordia.CA, benali@alcor.concordia.CA
::::::::::::::********************************:::::::::::::::
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: John E Hinton <jhinton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: seeking books about Hamas & Hizballah
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:04:55 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I am looking for books, secondary and primary sources, about Hamas and
Hizballah. Can anyone suggest any and tell me how to acquire them?
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddam
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:53:27 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan26.175810.6422@tfs.com> samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias) writes:
>In article <1k3q3aINN36c@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:
>
>>I don't read any Iraqi papers nor I know of the name of any.
>>I only use *COMMON* sense.

>I thank god that there are still some arab/muslims who still do use
>*COMMON* sense.


And it seems very clear that you are NOT one of them!

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam)
Subject: RE: STOP IT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:45:40 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.015719.18268@trl.OZ.AU>faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Fari

>In article <1993Jan21.200433.5868@news.columbia.edu>, jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia
>|>
>|> Yes, I think I like your message very much.
>|>
>|> I did not intend to single out Mr. Hamza though I find his remarks
>|> particularly problematic as they tend to attack entire people (religions)
>|> rather than specific individuals with whom he disagrees.

>For your information, Mr. Salah knows of no individual, entire parties are
>gulty and doomed in his mode of thought.

What difference does it make if you promise to give it up
with him and you still say about him some statement?
Enough is Enough, as somebody put it.

>|>
>|> Though Mr. Oueichek is a good friend of mine, I must say in all honesty
>|> that I emphatically disapprove of the style he and Mr. Faris use as well.

>May I ask what style is that. I admit I have been very harsh on him at times,
>however, that was only in response to his approach.

Nobody wants to admit it.  If they admit, they would admit they
did not admit.

>|>
>|> In other words, let us *ALL* grow up and try to show some respect for
>|> each other.

>This whole discussion became abusive in an attempt to make him grow up. You be
>the judge. I have failed miserably.

I agree.  What you did was wrong.  Everyone should learn this.

>|>
>|> Endless flames do not accomplish anything productive. They don't help
>|> us build the bridges that we need. They only serve to turn the clock
>|> back and force us back to square one.

>The clock has been turning back, those discussion were aimed to stop it and
>make it move forward. To quote a peice of trash who wrote me personally,
>"You dream, there will be no unity except under the rules of Islam".
>Regrettably, he did not say which version of Islam.

Again keep such a trash to yourself.

>|>
>|> I hope that *ALL* parties involved will take the necessary measures
>|> to end this infantile conduct and get on with bigger and better things.

>I agree, what are they though?.

There is no way in the world for this person to understand.
Typical Arab mentality.  They agree to disagree.

Khalas Ba'ah, Khazitonah Odam ElaGanib..  Aih Dah..

>A.Faris


Taheeti

- IA, not iowa.
From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The identity of soc.culture.arabic
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:47:29 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Ibaa Oueichek (oueichek@gram) wrote:
:   It seems to me that anyone who is posting anything at t.p.m sets the 
: cross-post to soc.culture.arabic, WHY ?. This group IS NOT FOR POLITICAL
: discussions. It's not a matter of opinion, s.c.a was created to discuss
: about Arabic culture, NOT politics (read the group description, it says
: explicitely that this group is not for politics).

Yes, I read s.c.a, and have to filter through lots of political/religious stuff which I am not interested in
to read the few (technical) articles which I am interested in. Isn't it about time this group was
moderated?
-- 

-----
Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)

	And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
	Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6958 soc.culture.lebanon:5667
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: New Word Processor
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:53:55 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aliasing.eng.umd.edu
Originator: ziad@aliasing.eng.umd.edu


There is a review in the latest (Feb) Byte magazine of Multi-Lingual Scholar,
a new word processor. The review starts on pg. 219, here is a bare minimum of
info.
Price: $695.00     a bit steep if you ask me!
OS: DOS          stupid choice if you ask me!
Comes with fonts for 6(?) languages including arabic and a program to create
your own fonts. Additional languages $50.00 there are 63 total. One of them
is Syriac (a dead language!).
The program is WYSIWIG unlike TeX and derivatives. You can use 10 languages
on the same page and 16 different sizes. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:55:19 EST


-----start of forwarded msg

Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddam
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:33:35 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <nabeel.727990971@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo) writes:
>
>   Dr. Arabyyat (Dr. Carts) is not even the spokesman of the Brotherhood
>in Jordan; in fact, I wonder why they keep him as a member there, probably,
>to avoid envy! "yee, al-`ayn tu.tur'uh!"

He was a spokesman, at least at the time (1990).  What exclusive
knowledge do you have to support your statements, Nabeel?

>   Is that true? We are no longer babies, I think. "Did they rape
>or did not they rape? That is the question!"

I think this statement reflects the kind of immature and warped
mentality for which you are very well-known for, Nabeel.

>   Its true, but right now, I do not remember the Hadiths about
>the United Nations, so I will skip. In fact, I think I am wasting
>my time replying to this post. I will quit.

Yes, you are definitely wasting your time, Nabeel, because you do
not have a single clue what you are talking about and are only using
this excuse to flame me -- yet again.

I do hope you quit, and will seriously think before reacting.  The best
policy is always to keep your mouth shut before doing so.

Grrrr.....!

Anisa 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: oueichek@gram (Ibaa Oueichek)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:48:51 GMT

Nick Steel (steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: In article <C1KJ95.C7n@imag.fr> oueichek@gram (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
: >Nick Steel (steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: >: In article <1993Jan27.180805.23713@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
: >
: >: Generalization is just not the right way to address things.
: >: Can you say that the Palestinians sold Palestine to 
: >: the invadors?  No you shouldn't most Palestinians will not
: >: give up one inch, but jerks like Arafat and Ashrawi 
: >: have officially sold it.
: >
: > John, for G-d's sake, don't judge people in this way. I don't care for Arafat,
: >but Ashrawi and the Palestinian delegates are certainly not jerks. And don't
: >forget, if there's someone who knows really how harsh it is to live under
: >occupation it's them, not you neither i. After all, it's THEIR country, not 
: 
: I really don't wish to move the Arafat-Hamas battle to here, but
: the truth has to be told.  There should be a line drawn as  to
: how  far can the occupation oppression will bring down your
: principles.  As to Ashrawi, it is written in her BIBLE that
          					   ^^^^^^^^??????
: Palestine belongs to those that occupy it now.  So, she has
: met her biblical desires and is looking for some freedom.  I don't
: blame her as much.  But I blame idiots like the rest.
  John, you said you don't wish to move the Arafat-Hamas battle to here,
but you managed to put a VERY offending ad hominem remark. I guess you didn't
check the faith of the rest of the Palestinian delegation, only Ashrawi. 
Given that you reacted in this way (and i'm really surprised), i'll cut the
discussion immediatly.

Allah Ysamhak ya John.

--
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | IMAG, INPG.
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
					

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From:  (Rashid)
Subject: Testing
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: NH
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:44:25 GMT

A test
From: jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO)
Subject: Be Ready.... Be Brave 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:38:35 GMT

dear netters,
	The plan is almost successful. Beating without a strong resistance is
a goal of theirs. Dismantling the physical strength  is almost on the way.
Banning entrance of  arms and destroying the arms installation are only the
way to reduce physical strength. ...

hadi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Fatwa of Albani on Khomeini
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:53:56 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <C14uun.B3K@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, khater@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca 
(Issam Abu-Khater) writes:
> Wahabi Trash deleted.

Albani is not the first mullah who has been financed by the arab dictators
to blacken the shining face of islam.  The history of islam is witness that
thousands of Albanis were planted by the dictators of Ummayids and Abbasids 
dynasties to do the dirty job.  Whenever islamic movements tried to uproot
the evil empire of these dynasities, Albanis came to rescue them.   They 
issued fatwas branding the real islam as shirk and kuffr and thus provided
freehand to dictators to use all brutal ways possible to crush the power
of isalm.  War of Karbala was one of the worst consequence of such fatwas.
In this war the grandson of the Prophet (saw), Imam Hussain (a.s) was brutally
martyred.  It is really ironic that it was the same Hussain who was termed by
the Prophet as the leader of the youngs of heaven.

Albanis are as active today as they were in the past.  But they never succeeded
in the past and they are bound to fail in future as well, Inshaallah.  This
is what Allah has promised to us in His Quran, that is right and truth will 
prevail and kuffr is doomed.

Takbir.

Asad.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic