From: poser@vxcrna.cern.ch (Till Poser   ZEUS Offline)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.politik
Subject: Re: German Blood
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:11:15 GMT
Reply-To: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA

In article <1992Apr11.163252.4224@news.unomaha.edu>,
MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu writes in soc.culture.german:

Contrary to my normal habits, I leave Debora's posting in here, since I
am crossposting to de.soc.politik.

> In <L371F6E@math.fu-berlin.de> weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de writes:
> 
>> One does not quite get a German passport "on demand". You have to 
>> have (at least) the following:
>> 
>> - have lived in Germany legally for at least 10 years (5 if you are
>> married to a German)
>> - have a "Fuehrungszeugnis" in good order (there's a limit to the
>> amount of fines and jail time you are allowed to have, you have to be 
>> "unbescholten" in your "Lebenswandel")
>> - have a place to live
>> - be able to feed your family (i.e. have a job and not live on
>> public assistance)
>> - have to show a "freiwillige und dauernde Hinwendung zu Deutschland",
>> to know about the German govermnent and to pledge oneself on the basis
>> of the free and democratic basic order
>> - speak and write German well enough
>> - not be addicted to alcohol or drugs
>> - petition the parliament to become a citizen - this costs up to
>> 5000 DM (2500 DM if married to a German citizen)
>> - revoke all previous citizenships.
>> It's so crazy, I'm sure there wouldn't be so many problems between
>> Germans and Auslaender if it was easier to get German citizenship,
>> especially for the children of "Guest workers" that were born here.
>> -- 
>> Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
>> Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
>> Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
>> D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))
> 
> 
> Your're wrong, to have a a german passport doesn't change anything for the
> 'Auslaender', I prefer to call them immigrants.
> They can vote and be elected for political positions, but that it.
> Young males also have to go 'Militaerdienst'.

Isn't that what a normal German citizen is entitled or obliged to? What
is Your problem here? What is there more that You might want by the way
of rights?

> If you have black hairs and look like a turk or else, they won't accept you
> at all even yor are a german!, you live there you should know that.

You haven't really been outside Berlin, have You? Quite a few of my
German friends in Baden Wuerttemberg, native to this part of the
country, cannot really be distinguished from either Sicilians,
Spaniards, or Turks, what with their complexion, hair colour and
physiognomie. There is quite a bit of morphological diversity even in
Germany, and small wonder, that.

But I wonder. Have You been treated badly since Your naturalisation,
and when did the latter take place and where?

> The fee to get the german passport is only 100 DM, they changed it with the
> new 'Auslaendergesetz'

Is this the German citizenship "petition fee" that Debora alluded to, or
is it just for the passport?

> Regards, MUTLU

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