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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Advocate please...
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:13:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.042105.714747@sue.cc.uregina.ca> bayko@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (John  Bayko) writes:
>    I'm pretty famillier with overall Amiga stuff - it's at least
>well supported in Canada. I'd like to know a bit more about how it
>feels in actual use. How easy is a "hello world" program that uses
>a window? What are the four easiest ways of crashing the OS (be
>honest)? Does it still stutter during disk access?

	The four easiest ways to crash the OS are:


	- Digitizing a Macintosh advertisement

	- Responding to a Jerry Shekkel article

	- Using Word Perfect 4.1

	- Running an IBM emulator
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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: More on 3DO
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:29:34 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1993Jan14.184632.3057@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <1j3trvINN19d@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>
>>   Yes, it does. Folks, every single person I've spoken to that's involved
>>with 3DO has basically said, "This is IT". I agree completely. The hardware
>>is great, the financial backing is great, everything about it right now is
>>just making publishers' nipples hard. This is the puppy that will probably
>>give MS-DOS a serious run for its money in the entertainment market.
>
>Has there been any word as to what OS this thing will presumably run?
>Also, is the graphics output NTSC-based, or are there provisions for
>multisync monitors as well?


3d0 is a very hot graphics engine, but I can't remember
specifics.  The sound is CD-quality.

The OS is N/A... the box is not a general purpose computer.  While
the idea is bandied about, it's unclear how some technical feautures
can co-exist.  For example, to satisfy the requirements of cable &
other communications companies (they need a "secure" system before they
will download video/video software to it), the normal access methods
(drives, ports, networks) aren't allowed.  The machine reboots when
the CD ROM door is opened!

Developers kits are $8000.

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: TxEd Plus Info
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:05:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.151222.23099@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green) writes:

>TxEd Plus is a very old program. Did you buy the program on the consignment
>shelf?? Charlie Heath also wrote AREXX which is included with v2.0 and above.
                                  ^^^^^
Unless I'm mistaken, ARexx is from William Hawes of Wishful Thinking, also
the author of WShell. I recall reading a comment that Charlie Heath no
longer recommended using TxEd Plus on 2.0+ systems. He seemed to favour 
TurboText (Oxxi) as a replacement. In fact, TTX may offer TxEd+ emulation.
From: sjchmura@kimbark.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga A1200.....
Keywords: Ian Geography Paper Rock Scissors
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:04:36 GMT
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan23.195123.7769@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.203534.14992@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>
>>Details please. Why would BillG have to pay someone to
>>discredit Commodore when Commodore does such a fine job
>>if discrediting itself?
>>
> Take a look at where he is talking, Ian - in Europe, Commodore is a respected
>	computer firm; it's only in the States that they fumble the ball...
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							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Damn, I think Ian was just kidding.  No need to get defensive over C=.  Wait,
I think that is the second contradiction in this thread :)



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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:13:29 GMT

lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:

>What I meant was that Apple will not die if PowerPC is a total
>failure.

  I think their desktop computer business will die if PowerPC fails.

>> Apple's future IS the PowerPC - it's the only way they're going to
>> keep ahead of Intel based machines.

>No it's not. They could choose multiprocessing 040's and 060's,

  This is a possibility; but, working in parallel computer architecture
myself, I don't see this happening at the desktop for another 3 or 4
years.  And by that time, everyone will have an architecture-independent
OS, so why would a company choose slow expensive 68K processors, when they
could have fast, cheap RISC CPUs?

>>   A PowerPC Mac by a long way.  How much do you think the 68060 will
>> sell for?  How much do you think the PowerPC sell for? (Hint: The
>> ratio is on the order of 5:1).

>And what do yoiu base this? 

  Quotes from various people in the PowerPC project; the latest Byte
reports a possible price of $50 for the 601.  Personally, I think it'll
be more like $1000.

>How many transistors will PowerPC chip
>have? 

 2.8 million in the 601.

>For which computer the system software already exist?

  The initial hump is expensive (and it's already being done); but
after that maintenance and updates are the same as any existing system
software.  The initial costs will be sunk quickly by volume...

> For which
>do the support chips already exist?

  The 601 has the same bus architecture as the 88110, for which Apple
has already developed most of their custom chip interfaces.  This was
a major reason for putting the 88110 bus on the 601 (also the fact
that the 110 supports multiprocessor bus protocols).

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From: mlelstv@spckls.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:19:20 GMT

In <1993Jan26.162343.14030@fcom.cc.utah.edu> carl@jordan.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:
>I don't believe fission is the ultimate answer to our energy problems, but your
>statement above is ludicrous (IMHO).  Do you know anything about MODERN reactor
>design (not Chernobyl) or do you just believe everything you hear in the media?

Well, you seem to believe everything the reactor people tell you. Don't you
think that f.e. Harrisburg was considered as safe as todays reactors at
that time ?

>BTW, I agree that harnessing energy from the sun is the ultimate goal for an
>energy source, but for now nuclear power is one of the most environmentally
>safe major sources of energy available today.

Not. While I don't believe that catastrophies like Tchernobyl will soon
be repeated in the western world you must see that there are no borders
to radioactivity. And even those that consider reactor technology 100%
fail proof must see that there is still no method to get rid of nuclear
waste.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PCheads go *thud* Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again*
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:18:31 GMT
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In article <1ji3ufINNcht@mozz.unh.edu>, Gregory G Greene (ggg@kepler.unh.edu) wrote:
: 	Well, personnal preference then.  I still like OS2's WPS a lot more.
:    I still thought the A1200HD was a very nice system though, WB is only one
:    part of it.

Of course.  While WPS is nice, I like Intuition/GadTools.  I guess we
agree to disagree.  :)

: 	I disagree, I think Strike Commander and X-Wing will be absolute
:    knockouts also.  As far as Harpoon II goes, I only mentioned it because I
:    am a dedicated wargamer.  Obviously, this all comes down to a persons
:    likes and dislikes.  I wasn't trying to say that all the awesome games
:    are on the IBM exclusively.  Just that if you are going to port them to

Are they really awesome?  Strike Commander will be more flash than
content, and as such, requires a fast system to handle all that flash.
But the GAME!  Take away those pretty graphics, and how much is left
of the game?  That's what I mean when I say that.

Of _COURSE_ Strike Commander & X-Wing will be knockouts.  They're nice
and flashy, which seems to be the way the IBM world prefers things
now.  But remove those graphics, and the interest drops.

Let's take WC Amiga as an example of that proof.

:    there is going to be an AGA version, why?  Why not leave WC as is and 
:    create a AGA version of one of the newer games I mentioned above.

Because flash sells, boy.  :)  The IBM world is proof.  They can make
the Amiga version _JUST_ as flashy as the IBM version was, and they're
hoping that because of it, they'll make a bundle.

I'll, of course, bet my _ASS_ they're wrong.  :)

: 	I haven't played any of the regular Ultima series (1-7), but I have
:     played Ultima Underworld and its sequel.  I thought the storyline on those
:     was pretty nice.  Still the best adventure type games IMO.

Yup, it's obvious you haven't played 1-7.  :)  Storylines went down
from 6 on, they were dy(ing) in 5.

Ultima 4 is actually what I consider to be the best Ultima, out of all
of them.  Why?  Because not even Ultima Underwold had a good
storyline.  It had the flash to keep me interested, the innovative
design to draw people, but it didn't have the storyline to make me
part of the game.

Greg (it's time for a new .sig, folks, and i'm looking...)

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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:22:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.171744.19337@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>While it appears that the machine remains rather elusive, the February issue
>of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article entitled "Falcon030
>Leads the Pack" (p. 58). Much of the review is devoted to the fact that
>the Falcon is the first consumer-level desktop computer to offer an on-board
>DSP (MC 56001). The article concludes with the comment that "Atari is
>offering a tantalizing and affordable preview of things to come."

I really don't want to start any flame wars, but the machie is not that
elusive. It was done at a local store (which carries Amiga's, Atari's and PC's)
on the weekend. The sound capabilities and the graphics are really nice, 
especially the sound. I do hope they change the colour of the case to black
though. It comes with SCSI, DSP, etc...but does not use SIMM's.

[ ]

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From: edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: TxEd Plus Info
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:12:09 GMT

Does anyone know if the producers of the program TxEd Plus, i.e. Charlie
Heath of Microsmiths, Inc of Cambridge MA, are still writing software for 
the Amiga.  I just purchased a TxEd Plus and think it is a truly quality
piece of work and would like to see what, if anything, Mr Heath and Co. may
have available at the present time.

BTW, is the ARP library and its associated commands compatible with wb2.04 and
up.  I am thus far impressed with the entire package but don't want to install
everything on my A2000 with 2.04 if it may cause problems.  BTW, ARP works
beautifully on my trusty A1000 with wb 1.3, but no surprise here.

Finally, has anyone successfully used the public domain versions of TeX on a
68000 based amiga. If so where is a good ftp site to get hold of the required 
files.  I am not really convinced I will devote the time necessary to learn TeX
but I would like to set up a pd version to tinker with.

Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks 

Eric Edmonds
University of Lowell
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: City University, London
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:07:49 GMT

In article <C16Erq.9n3@netnews.jhuapl.edu> bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy) writes:
>das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>Does the Amiga CLI have 'move', as in moving files, directories wholly? 
>
>Yes, the 'RENAME' command can move directories as well as files throughout
>a file system.  Why MS-DOS won't let you rename a directory has always
>been a mystery to me?

Microsoft MS-DOS (Operating System version 5.0) 
User's Guide and Reference
page 121 reads...
"> To rename a directory:
 1.  Using the xcopy command, copy the contents of the directory to a directory
     with the new name.
 2.  Delete the contents of the original directory.
 3.  Delete the original directory."

Of course, to empty a directory you have to _manually_ going
down to the end of the tree in each subdirectory and delete
all the files yourself.

As I said before, MS-DOS 5.0 in 1983 would have been a joke.
In 1993 it is sick.

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From: dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 03:04:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.160454.2227@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
>:
>:   Oh, so now you're the standard that should be referenced against?
>:
>
>No, Master Jack, you are.

Gee, Jerry - who's being insulting now?  Your previous posts have borne the air
	of superiority, and you have seemed to believe  you know more about 
	OS/2 than anyone else; in fact, when other people have been mentioned
	as having possible experience with it, you have denigrated them... 
	Then again, I agree with Peter - you are rude and insufferable. 
>
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:13:20 GMT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance (joe@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
:
: >Look, Joe, I just provided a bit of information.  I wasn't flaming anyone;
: >there's no reason to flame me.
:
: I wan't flaming you, Jerry - just your twisting of the thread to suit your
: argument. You have every right to do so in an advocacy group, of course, and
: I was delighted to point it out. :)
:

Joe, I realize that it's the latest c.s.a.a. thing to accuse people of
"twisting" the thread to suit their argument, but that is *not* what I did
here.

: >
: >Mostly false.  Although this is true for DOS, any RTG system (Windows, OS/2,
: >Unix/X11) can benefit greatly from an S3 accelerator (with the proper driver,
:                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >of course).  It's set of hardware operations is generic enough.  Most of the
: >performance measurements I've seen for the S3 were in "xstones", a Unix/X11
: >benchmark.  For example, an unaccelerated Sparcstation is about 25K, an HP
: >Snake is about 75K, and a 486 w/S3-801 is about 66K.
:
: Most of the performance measurements you've seen revolved around Windows.
:

I already told you, you're wrong.  I was talking about S3 performance under
Unix, specifically the X11 Window System, *not* Microsoft Windows.

:
: BTW, I own an S3 card. Guess how many drivers are
: available for it? Besides windows, there are specialty drivers for AutoCad,
: WordPerfect 4.x, and a couple of other DOS apps. No OS/2 or Unix drivers.
:

OS/2 drivers are usually available separately, and there's no need for Unix
drivers, as several commercial X11 implementations support S3 accelerators
directly.

:
:   Joe O'Hara                ||      Disclaimer: I didn't say that!
:
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:53:19 GMT
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David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
:
: >: The naive Amiga already has the tools to make effective use of
: >: his computer, without resorting to third parties.  While, the more advanced
: >: Amiga users can make use of third party products to further improve what is
: >: already a quality environment.
: >
: >Does the Amiga come with a word processor?  Terminal program?  Card filer?
: >All these things come with Windows (which is bundled with most PC's these
: >days).
:
: That's all you PC people can say, isn't it?  You defend an OS by pointing out
: the applications available for it.  Sorry - they're two different things.
:

It would help if you had read the discussion.  Someone stated that the Amiga
comes with useful utilities out of the box.  I countered by pointing out
that Windows PC's come with a wordprocessor, paint program, etc.

:
: David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
:
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:34:19 GMT
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David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
:
: On the other hand, all MSDOS and Windows users get out of the box is
: command.com.  It has serious deficiencies which can only be rectified by
: using third party utilities or replacement shells (both of which you've
: suggested as alternatives).  The naive DOS/Windows user is not aware of these
: things, and will waste a lot of time doing something as basic as deleting a
: directory.
:

Not true.  Windows makes it trivial to delete directories, using the graphical
interface.  The truly naive user won't need COMMAND.COM at all.

:
: The naive Amiga already has the tools to make effective use of
: his computer, without resorting to third parties.  While, the more advanced
: Amiga users can make use of third party products to further improve what is
: already a quality environment.
:

Does the Amiga come with a word processor?  Terminal program?  Card filer?
All these things come with Windows (which is bundled with most PC's these
days).

:
: David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
:
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CU Amiga (was Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:00:50 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:

>Actually, I picked up my first European Amiga magazine (CU Amiga), and the
>A500+ is still advertised quite a bit.  Unfortunately, this and the A600
>appear in far too many ads.  The A1200 is catching on well, though.

>I have the January issue of CU Amiga, and I have a few questions:

>Has anyone played the final release of Street Fighter 2?  I quickly became
>addicted to this game on my brother's SNES...

>Is Expert-4D the worst renderer or what?

remember: that included disk is Expert-4D JR., not Expert-4D!!! 4D JR costs 
          about $70 (suggested retail price!).  So don't expect it to rival
          Imagine 2.0!

>How come I haven't heard much about this Wordsworth wordprocessor?  It
>looks quite excellent.

Could you upload the demo, please??? my disk is corrupted... actually, many 
people have heard of Wordsworth (and the included disk should be Wordsworth
2).  Kindwords 3 is a scaled-down version of Wordsworth, but it is pretty
good already... we don't hear too much of it because we are living in the
States, and Wordsworth 2 is published by a British company.

>What is this B5000 accelerator for the A500?  Who is the manufacturer?

Some company in the UK.  It is yet another 030 accelerator for the Amiga.

>Finally, how can I get all of this stuff in the states?!

mail-order... but I am looking forward to seeing Wordsworth II being
distributed by some US vendors though.

>-- Gerald

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
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