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From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: MIO and Hard Drives.
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:06:49 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <01GO1K2SGCGI934UR3@edinboro.edu> A644690C@edinboro.edu ("Adam J. Conover") writes:
>Someone mentioned that you need to have a SCSI Drive WITHOUT the embedded
>controller for use with the MIO....   ICD's newest HD formatter (HDFMTPH9.COM)
>has an option for 'Seagate Embedded Drives'.  I have never tried using a
>SCSI drive (I have an Adaptec 4000a) so I don't know if it works.
>HDFMTPH9 and HDFMTPH8 are both greatly improved HD formatters over those
>that were included with the MIO.

Just to avoid confusion, if it's a SCSI drive, it has an embedded controller.
MFM and RLL drives are the ones without embedded controllers, so for them
you need a controller board in addition to the MIO or Black Box.  And some
SCSI drives will not work with the MIO because they can't handle 256 byte
sectors, but the Black Box interface will work with those drives.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
Subject: Re: The Binary Vote So Far.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:40:35 GMT


BART and the archive is fine.  I use it quite often.
However, the archive is not the place to put files that are created by
applications by any individual user.  What I mean is that ASP files
(digitized sounds) may be interesting to some users, but shouldn't be
archived.  Pictures created by (insert favorite art program here)
shouldn't be archived either.  Music files.  Special purpose templates for
spreadsheets.  And a lot of other things that I can't seem to think of
right at the moment.  Anything that is trivial (but neat) should be posted.
There should be no problem with uuencoding/decoding since that is the way
you get things from BART anyway.  What is the difference?  I get files
from BART on my 386, uudecode them and transfer them to my Atari with the
"util" program for MYDOS double density format.  Works every time.
Where does the corruption come from?  

Uncle Fester

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From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Clarification about Re: Posting atari 8-bit binary files he
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:36:40 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Fri 28 Aug 92  4:23, Chris_f_chiesa@cup.portal.com
wrote:

 C> Re: transferring files from SPARCstation to Atari 8-bit

 C> This should work:

 C> * Acquire a copy of "mtools" for the SPARCstation; this is a public-
 C> domain 
 C>   set of routines that will allow the SPARCstation to read/write MS-
 C> DOS
 C>   3.5" floppy disks in the SPARCstation's built-in 3.5" drive.  Use
 C> this 
 C>   capability to place your Atari 8-bit files onto MS-DOS 3.5" disk. 

 C> * Acquire the program "UTIL" from the Atari Archive; copy it, too,
 C> onto
 C>   MS-DOS 3.5" disk.  UTIL is a program for the PC which allows it to
 C> read/
 C>   write true double-density AtariDOS 2.0 (e.g. MyDOS w/o
 C> subdirectories)
 C>   disks.

 C> * Acquire a PC that has a 3.5" drive AND a 5.25" drive.  These seem to
 C> be
 C>   getting scarcer, but I have one so maybe you can find one.  Put the
 C> 3.5" 
 C>   disk containing UTIL (for the PC) and the downloaded Atari files,
 C> into the
 C>   3.5" drive.  Put a true double-density AtariDOS 2.0 formatted disk
 C> into the
 C>   5.25" drive (formatting a "true double-density" disk in AtariDOS 2.0
 C> format
 C>   is left as an exercise for the reader; I'd sweat over it, myself,
 C> but I've
 C>   done it so I know it's possible).  Use UTIL to write the Atari files
 C> from
 C>   the 3.5" PC disk to the 5.25" Atari disk.

 C> * Use the 5.25" true double-density AtariDOS disk with any AtariDOS
 C> 2.0
 C>   compatible, true double-density-supporting DOS, to read and use the
 C> files
 C>   on your Atari.

 C> Caveats:  UTIL is prone to misbehavior.  Mtools isn't the easiest
 C> thing to
 C>   use.  UTIL only works on 360K PC drives.

 C> Chris Chiesa
 C>   Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com

Addendum:  UTIL works fine for all READs on a 1.2meg PC drive, WRITES will
also work fine if you FORMAT the disk on an Atari double density drive
(e.g. USD 1050 or XF551) each time before you write data from the 1.2meg
drive.  I did this for a good couple years to move data between my Atari at
home and PC at work.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-967-8072)
Subject: Help! Uudecode/Yau.com
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:32:53 GMT

I've just requested two files (and received them) from the Atari
archives at umich.edu. Problem is this: One file (raindemo.arc) came to
me in several parts (about 4, I believe). I had the system send them to
me, received them to hard drive on my Atari 800xl. Now, how do I turn
those 4 parts into one functional .arc file? Running Yau.com, it tells
me, cant read header (or something of that nature). Do I need to /a
append the 4 files to one another in sequence - thereby creating ONE
file (out of 4), then run Yau.com on them? Any help appreciated. I'd
like to know the exact procedure for receiving files via the archives to
my atari. Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss)
Subject: Re: Pastfinder
Organization: Quotron System, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:49:03 GMT

dmb@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

>Has anyone ever completed this *infernal* game?  I've been playing it
>for years now and I've never gotten past the last stage.  Every time, I
>feel like chucking my 8 bit out the window becuause it's *so
>frustrating* to play for three hours and then lose 30 lives in the last
>four rows.

Speaking of unfinished 8-bit games, did anybody ever get past the last
graveyard in Necromancer?  Some friends and I tried for years, but never
managed to do it.  It's a great game, but I'd rather eat my own intestines
than have to play it again...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: dalessio@rtsg.mot.com (Mario D'Alessio)
Subject: WANTED: SIO2PC
Summary: wanted: sio2pc
Keywords: wanted sio2pc ibm
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:09:55 GMT

Can someone please send me the SIO2PC program?
It's the program to allow an Atari 8-Bit
to be hooked up to a PC. I don't have
ftp access. Thanks.

Mario


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From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Re: Atari binaries postings.  A comment...
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.160452.4199@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "Marek Tomczyk" <UJ1G@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:
>
>Ryan 'Gozar' Collins writes:
>>      Why not try an alt.atari.8bit.binaries group? It's easier to get
>> started, and it would let us all see how successful a 8bit.binaries
>> group could be.
>
>Personally I think it is a good idea. I have full Internet access
>with FTP and all, but regardles to this it would be nice to have
>a place where small programms could be placed.
>Nearly all other comp.sys groups have its .binary section.
>Why not here?
>It wouldn't be a replacement for the archive at umich.edu but
>just a nice supplement.
>
>I have no idea how to set up a new Usenet group. I'm sure there
>is someone who knows it :-)


From what I can tell, you need to post the idea to news.groups along
with any pertinent information about what exactly the group is intended
for and how it will be handled (moderated, unmoderated, etc..)

After that, people can argue and discuss good and bad points about
such a new newsgroup and a CFV (call for votes) is posted (at a pre-
determined and advertised time).  Everyone and anyone with a net
account is allowed to vote.  You need to have something like at least
100 YES votes (make new newsgroup) more than NO votes, or something.
(or maybe that's 2/3 YES votes, and at least 100 more YeES votes
than NO vote.)

Then you can submit the voters addresses and votes, along with request
for a new newsgroup to a certain address (that I fforget at the moment)
which will then process and generate the new newsgroup so it can be
used by the entire net.

I'm not sure if there are even 100 participating users on *this*
group, so it might be hard to come up with the 100 necessary YES
votes (or more if there is a big movement against).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Terminal emulator help, please
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 06:20:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Yes, I, too, would like to emulate a VT100 term with my Atari 800.

If anyone can suggest suitable programs, please e-mail me also,
or post here, as I do read this group frequently.

Thanks in advance,  trr


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From: UJ1G@DKAUNI2.BITNET (Marek Tomczyk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Atari binaries postings.  A comment...
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:04:52 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany



Ryan 'Gozar' Collins writes:
>      Why not try an alt.atari.8bit.binaries group? It's easier to get
> started, and it would let us all see how successful a 8bit.binaries
> group could be.

Personally I think it is a good idea. I have full Internet access
with FTP and all, but regardles to this it would be nice to have
a place where small programms could be placed.
Nearly all other comp.sys groups have its .binary section.
Why not here?
It wouldn't be a replacement for the archive at umich.edu but
just a nice supplement.

I have no idea how to set up a new Usenet group. I'm sure there
is someone who knows it :-)

Just my $0.02

Marek

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From: moon!cyberden!phbill@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Help for ATARI XE video game system.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:48:00 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

> for it in the shops. Can I use carttridges for 2600, 7800, or whatever else f
> ATARI XE? I once saw a cartridge for ATARI video game system, but there is no

Nope.  Unless there is a device that will allow you to play 2600, 5200 or 
7800 games on the XL/XE series that I'm unaware of!  Every once in a 
while somebody posts a list of Atari Classic software retailers (I've 
gotta get mine worked on, don't I!? <gulp!>).  A few of the best places 
to contact for software are:

Best Electronics
2021 The Alameda, Ste.290
San Jose, CA 95126
Tel: 408/243-6950

B&C Computervisions
2730 Scott Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95050
Tel: 408/986-9960

American Techna-Vision
15338 Inverness St.
San Leandro, CA 94579
Tel: 1-800-551-9995 (outside CA)
       510-352-3787 (in CA)

There are plenty more.

One note:  Disks are often supported more than cartridges these days!
           I suggest getting a disk drive (1050 or XF551) if you don't
           already have one!

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                   August 26, 1992
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: "Marek Tomczyk" <UJ1G@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Help for ATARI XE video game system.
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:04:02 GMT



Nope, you can't use cartridges for 2600, 7800 on your XE game system.
These two do come from Atari but they are entirely
different systems.

As far as I know, the XE game system is internally identical to
the XE home computers. You could take cartridges that run on
that system (800XE, 130XE).
Software for the XLs will run without problems (800XL, 600XL).

There are a lot of cartridges for it available second hand.
You could go for any cartridge designed for the Atari 8-bit
home computers, except for a few really old ones for the
Atari 400/800. Some of them need a translator to run (i.e. software
that replaces the XE operating system by the OS for 400/800s)

I know that Daemon Attack from Imagic requires the old operating system.

hope that helps

Marek
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Networking 8bits with the cartridge port.
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:26:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Aug31.112615.12434
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"


     Well, with all this extra 8-bit equipment around, I was thinking of
trying to do some projects with them, ut the first thing I would like to
be able to do is to have a simple networking scheme, not requiring a
disk drive for each one.

     What I was thinking of was using the catridge port, but I don't
know how feasible this is. With the 16k cartridges, there are two chips,
but 8kcatridges on have one ROM. What would happen if I would daisy
chain, with a ribbon cable that plug into the sockets on a cartridge
bewteen the 8bits? Would the RAM in the cart area show up as the same on
all machines? Would a change made by one machine show up in the address
space of the other machines? Sort of like shared memory, the 16kblock
where the carts go. Any suggestions?

     (I'm asking here cause I remember a post by (Jeff Potter?) about
the new networking scheme they were devising on GEnie for a MidiMaze
like game.)

     Thanks!!!

Later.......

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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: RGB on 800/XL/XE?
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:16:16 GMT
Organization: Ericsson
Originator: etxansk@garbod20


 I came to think of this when I read about Jonathan Katz's problem
with colour on his Atari 800.

 Has there ever been an 8-bit Atari computer with three independent
R/G/B outputs? (As opposed to composite video with the colours
mixed in one single signal with sync.)

 I've always assumed that the CTIA/GTIA delivers the composite
video on a single pin.

 The screen quality is highly improved on an Atari ST or Amiga
if the computer is connected to a TV set via R/G/B instead of
composite video or antenna/RF.

 It would be nice to get a clearer picture, even if the improvement
would reveal how blocky some graphics modes on the 8-bit Atari are.

 Anders Skelander, Sweden
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: ANSI!?!?!?
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:47:24 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Good luck with your project to write an ANSI color screen driver for the
8bit.  I am not doubting that it can be done, but I *AM* doubting that an
80 column color screen will be very readable.

There is a PD comm program called TERM80 that uses software only drivers to
create an 80 column screen - it runs in either ATASCII or straight ASCII
(TTY) modes.  It looked *great* on my composite monochrome monitor - but
was VERY difficult to read on my 14" composite color monitor - if I put the
image on my 20" color TV (monitor quality), it was just bearable from
across the room, but would still give me a headache trying to read much
from it.  Even a B&W TV didn't do the job.

BTW, there is a companion program to TERM80 called READ80 which allows you
to read all those 80 character ASCII text files from the screen instead of
dumping them to the printer.  Same quality as above.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Jim Johnson-
*** Remember, they're only tools - Not a way of life! ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Re: Atari corp.
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:48:05 GMT

In article <9208252017.AA02762@brachot.jct.ac.il> bruck@BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL (Itay Chamie1) writes:
>It also says that Jack Tramiel is a scrooge and that he never spent a buck
>on advertising - a primary reason for the fact that the Lynx takes aprox.
>3% of the pocket-game market (with the rest taken by Nintendo and Sega)..

Yes, I can believe that!  I have been looking around a bit for a Lynx
and seeing what games are available... with almost none to be found!
Even the local Toy's R Us store does not carry the Lynx (though they
do stock a few of the cartridges).  I also tried several mall toy
stores and even Sears!  None!   Gee, it makes it difficult to buy
Atari's wares when you can't get ahold of them.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:26:32 EDT
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: what is the falcon?

  Ok....simple question...where is it and what is it and when did atari
release it?  I though they trashed all this stuff last year...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: ichamiel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Itay Chamiel)
Subject: Re: Clarification about Re: Posting atari 8-bit binary files he
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 10:38:51 GMT

This is my first REAL posting to c.s.a.8 through News...

About UTIL:
It can write Binary/Ascii files on a SS/DD Mydos disk.
It can read the directory, and format a new disk.
It can also read Atari disks, but that is not recommended for the weak of 
heart... You have to create two disks containing carbon-copies of the
disk you want to read. Then, when reading, you have to canstantly flip
between them , since the IBM drive is horribly prone to even the slightest
error on the disk.

I recommend getting Omnicom or Kermit-65 on the Atari and use Kermit
or Xmodem (Omnicom only) between the sparc and the Atari, via modem.
My 2cents...
-Itay Chamiel
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Help for ATARI XE video game system.
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:14:24 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Tue 25 Aug 92 21:15, Gang@ms.uky.edu (gang Li) wrote:

 GL> Hi! I've got a XE video game system, but there is virtually no game
 GL> cartridge for it in the shops. Can I use carttridges for 2600, 7800,
or
 GL> whatever else for ATARI XE? I once saw a cartridge for ATARI video
game    GL> system, but there is no XE on it.
 GL> Thanks a lot!

You can use any game cartridge labled for use on XL/XE systems, and you can
use most of the cartridges labled for the Atari 400/800 systems (some of
the 400/800 carts were programmed using direct access to routines in the OS
ROM which was a no-no with Atari; when the OS was revised for the XL
systems, these carts wouldn't work on them).
You cannot use carts from the 2600, 5200, or 7800 video game consoles on
the XE game system.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Atari binaries postings. A comment...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:02:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.191412.28951@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>
>BTW:  Will people have trouble accessing uuencoded files?  I won't
>have any problem, but then again, I'm using a Unix box to do my transfers.
>
It shouldn't be a problem for most people.  There are uuencode/uudecode
programs for the 8-bit.  I know there is a version of uudecode written in
Atari Basic.  I'm not sure if I have a copy, but someone here probably does
if it's needed.  If I may make a suggestion: When you post a binary file,
start the subject with the word BINARY:, and that way people who don't want
binary files can use a kill file.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Expanding a 400 to over 48K
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:41:23 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Aug26.122315.12322@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:


>     Is there anyway to expand a 400 to over 48K? I've seen plenty of
>information about the 800, but not the 400.

I believe that anything for the 800 would also apply to the 400.
(Though did the 400 have 3 memory card slots?  I guess it doesn't
matter since most of the modifications only use one card.)

--PC


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