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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Red Sox Protected list
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:58:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.160416.2032@encore.com>, jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy) writes:
|> Red Sox Protected List
|> 
|> Roger Clemens
|> Frank Viola

  Come on, Joe! How could you forget:

   Lou Gorman
   Don Zimmer

-Ron



|> 
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|> | Joe Lundy           Encore Computer Corporation, 6901 W. Sunrise Blvd.    |
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|> | "Win, Lose, or Draw, Bert Convy forever" - Mario Vargas Llosa		    |
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Oriole News
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:05:34 GMT

In article <92229.111004DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>The Orioles will probably leave both Mark McLemore and Billy Ripken off their
>protected list.  Mclemore mat be selected by the Marlins, since Cookie Rojas
>was high on him back in California.  Rojas is advising the Marlins.

Cookie might have been high on him, but I am not totally sure if he still is,
since in '88 (the season during which Rojas managed the Angels), McLemore did
open the season as the starting second baseman, but after he got hurt, he spent
the rest of the season in Edmonton, allowing Johnny Ray (who opened the season
in LF) to move back to 2B.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dick Williams as Manager of the Padres?!?!?
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:42:17 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug21.223552.27336@u.washington.edu>, sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:

> In article <37122@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug21.202231.23018@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:

>>>In article <37108@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:

>>>>Yes, players tend to hate [Dick Williams].  He is a bit of a jerk.  But 
>>>>everywhere he's gone, he's won.  He knows how to manage his players and 
>>>>get the most out of the team.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>>With the exception of his most recent assignment, with the Mariners.  

>>OK, but that was barely a year and I submit that the Mariners
>>are the most consistently underachieving team for their talent...

It was two full years.  He was 23-33 in 1986, 78-84 in 1987, and 58-75
in 1988.  He had 2 spring trainings, 2 off-seasons, and 2.17 off seasons.
 
> This might well be true, but your original comment and this new one are
> contradictory.  Underachieving teams are supposedly the ones that Williams
> is best for, but he most clearly did not know how to get the most out of
> the Mariners. I think he got too big for his britches and then became a 
> quitter when he wasn't successful.  Not someone I'd want to hire to manage
> my ballteam.
> 
> Or are you trying to tell me that Williams is still his magic self and
> the Mariners are just a hopeless case? 8-(

I would like to second this.  All Williams seemed to care about was 
attitude; thus he traded Tartabull and harangued Langston.  It seemed
awfully silly and they didn't improve.

Bill Guilford
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Absolutely Horrific Red Sox-Indians Game
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 06:43:24 GMT

In article <14AUG92.02525565@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
>Oh come on, give him a break -- [Zupcic] managed to avoid being sucked into the
>Red Sox vortex.  You *know* that with all the other horrible stuff that
>was happening to the Sox that night, he was really *meant* to smash
>headlong into Winningham and give them both season-ending injuries...

Hmmm...  Wouldn't it be better for the Red Sox to lose Winningham for the rest
of the season, even if that means that he has to take Zupcic down with him?
:-)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:14:59 GMT
Subject: Re: who's runs? (WAS Re: OFFICIAL SCORING QUESTION)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:

> By the way, what term is used for a 
> 'runner-who-got-on-by-forcing-another-runner'?

I believe such a runner is called a "Lansford".

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marc@fc.hp.com			that makes all others obsolete
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"Mmmm - po-ta-to chips!" - John Stuart Mill
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Andres walks twice, hit once!
Organization: NSSL
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:46:38 GMT

It was an eventful weekend for Andres Galarraga in his first 
games back in Montreal since Dal Maxvill stole him away from
the Expos in exchange for Ken Hill last winter.  (Andres was
on the DL the first trip the Cardinals made to Montreal and
didn't play in that series.)  The popular press reported his 
grand slam Saturday but, of course, missed the really big 
events.  Friday night, after narrowly missing nailing Andres
in his second plate appearance, Dennis Martinez walked 
Galarraga later in the game to even up the great BB-HBP race
at 7.  It marked the first time since opening day that Andres's 
BB total had matched his HBP.  It didn't last long.  Saturday 
night, before the slam, Andres picked up his 8th HBP of the 
season.  In a move sure to increase media coverage of the 
waning days of the Cardinal season, Andres walked again on 
Sunday to pick up two walks in a series for the first time
(I'm pretty sure) all year.  The totals are now 8 and 8.

One of the remarkable things about this is that even though 
Andres has never been a big fan of the base on balls, he's 
really on a crusade against them this year.  Year-by-year
walk (and HBP) rates/(100 PA) for Andres-

Year     BB    HBP
1985    4.0    1.3
1986    8.4    0.8
1987    6.8    1.7
1988    5.9    1.5
1989    7.5    2.0
1990    6.4    0.6
1991    5.8    0.5
1992    2.9    2.9

Except for the partial season of '85 (75 PA), Andres hasn't
come remotely close to this walk rate.  He's on pace to 
finish the year with 12-13 BB and 12-13 HBP.  His career 
low in walks is 23 in 400 PA in '91. 

A .271 OBA.  Sheesh.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 16 August)  .229 BA  .356 SLG  .271 OBA
28 H away from .300  8 HBP  8 BB    680+ PA w/o a sacrifice
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Sports Illustrated's liner on the Eck
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:47:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19806
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Following is the SI comments on Star closer, Dennis Eckersley...


" While the As get 9 innings in a game, their opponents have

 only eight chances to win "


How true!!!!


S.H
Forever Twins
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Subject: Re: Need tix: Wrigley Oct 2 Weekend
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:48:47 GMT

Not sure this is worth posting, but ...  When I got up a group to go
to Wrigley (from California) a few years ago, I went through "ticket
brokers" (a/k/a legal scalpers) to get my tickets.  Sure there was a
"service charge" added, but the warm feeling of KNOWING that I had not
only tickets but GREAT tickets before shelling out for an airplane
ticket was well worth it.  Also the people I talked to were very
friendly and helpful, not high pressure at all.

I don't actually remember which brokers we used (although we did use
more than one, because they all have different seats available), but
here are the numbers:
 
                 Ticket Exchange     312-902-1888
                 Union Tyson         312-372-7344
                 Barnes              312-726-3486
                 Up Front            312-663-1718
                 Mr. B's             708-677-6522
                 North Shore         708-679-7788
                 Classic             312-782-8222
                 Sentinel            312-736-4546
                 All Star            708-433-7779

And for what it's worth, we also did a three-game weekend, with one
game in deluxe boxes right behind the plate, one in the bleachers, and
one in random seats down the first base line.  ALL were great fun, as
were the pre- and post-game sessions at the Cubby Bear Lounge.  I've
just gotta get back there ...  :-)

    Wayne Hathaway               domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
    Ultra Network Technologies     uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne
    101 Daggett Drive             phone: 408-922-0100 x132
    San Jose, CA 95134              FAX: 408-433-9287
From: cpg4160@swuts.sbc.com (Dan McCue)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:29:53 GMT
Followup-To: cpg4160@swuts.sbc.com
Organization: Southwestern Bell Telephone Company

In article <1992Aug11.051048.27836@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <92223.215022IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>>Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but as far as I know, Canseco is an
>>American citizen. Also, Cubans are prohibited from playing in the
>>majors (by mandate of baseball or by Cuba, anybody know?).
>
>Answering an earlier post, I think Canseco is an American citizen but was born
>in Cuba (i. e., not 2nd generation, as that post claimed).  The Cubans aren't
>prohibited by MLB to play in the majors; if so, Rene Arocha wouldn't be allowed
>to play.

The only reason Rene Arocha is in America (and American baseball) is that he
defected from Cuba recently (within the past year or two).  Castro closed the
door to Cuban baseball players playing in the majors.

>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

Dan McCue
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:42:59 GMT


Clemens didn't dominate, but he got the job done.  After escaping a
bases-loaded jam in the early innings with a double play, he rolled to
a 4-2 victory.  And Reardon didn't blow the save!

The details of the game are pointless and moderately gory.  I'll
mention only that Clemens pitched eight innings, allowing eight
hits, one walk, one HR, and nine Ks.

Most importantly, he pulled down his 14th win.  (He should have 17 if
it weren't for Reardon.)  With McDowell and Morris losing this time
around the rotation, the leader board in wins looks like:

Brown (16-7), McDowell (15-7), Morris (14-5), Clemens (14-7)
Appier, Tapani, and Gullickson each have 13 wins.

Clemens leads the league in K's with 156 (Perez is next with 153), is
second in IP with 189.1 (Brown has 191.1), and of course is first in
ERA at 2.20 (Appier is at 2.32).

If you get a chance to see him, take it!  He is likely to start every
fifth day the rest of the year, since none of those fall on off days.
The Red Sox don't really have a fifth starter right now, so I don't
think Hobson would mind skipping the spot in the rotation when
possible.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: JEFF REARDON
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:33:15 GMT

In article <92228.041547IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>For three years I have cringed at the site of Jeff Reardon being called in
>from the bullpen. For three years I have watched him blow leads that
>other closers would have sewn up in no time. When is the Red Sox management
>going to realize that Jeff Reardon must go? Tonight he blew a two-run
>lead, and then lost the ball game, by giving up a home run to that frequent
>home run hitter, Milwaukee veteran Jim Gantner. Reardon may be the all-time
>saves leader, but he has lousy mechanics, and all he does is try to strike
>hitters out by throwing watermelons up the heart of the plate. Doesn't he
>realize that he's not as fast a pitcher as he used to be?
>+===============================================================+
>||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
>||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
>+===============================================================+

Now way, Gantner hit a home run??!?                  
Then again, while he was with the Twins, Reardon gave away many a game (one in
Baltimore seems to stick in my mind.  Anyone else remember this?).

Joel Alvstad


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: roth@ravel.udel.edu (Charles M Roth)
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.233851.27808@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.173652.22078@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.125800.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>
>>>This has indeed happened before and it was resolved, I believe, by a 
>>>chili cook off among the respective firstbasemen on the three teams...
>
>>So who makes the best chili, Mark McGwire, Kent Hrbek, or Frank Thomas?
>
>
From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies/Orioles Trade(Scarsone/Bell)
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:15:15 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

->But Hoiles is *not* clearly better than Tettleton. Milligan is clearly better
->than Murray.

Let's qualify this:  clearly better in your opinion according to selected
statistics.  In *my* opinion, Murray is a future HOFer who should have
closed out his career in Balmer.

->Besides, everybody knew at the time that Jeff M. Robinson was a stiff, and he
->has never put up decent stats except for one year ('88).  Holton appeared to
->be a steady setup man at the time.

The E-man should have been worth a hell of a lot more than a steady
set up man (in my opinion).  You're right though, the Tettleton trade
was far worse and will live forever in Oriole infamy.  (Maybe when the
Micker is a free agent he'll resign with the O's for megabucks).

-Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: chead@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: RE: Gold Gloves
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:22:39 GMT


When picking gold glovers for the outfield in the American League
I don't see how DEVON WHITE can be excluded.  Although he is not 
having a good year at the plate his performance with the glove 
in center field has been nothing short of outstanding!!


All the way for the Blue Jays.
 
:-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Twins/superstition
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:28:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.230931.12792@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>
>In article <l8liduINN9ae@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> goolsbey@cs.utexas.edu (Keith
>Goolsbey) writes:
>>
>>Anyone remember Bobby Mitchell, Hosken Powell, Larry Hisle, Bombo Rivera,
>>Darrell "3 errors on one play" Jackson etc. from the Twins' *very* lean years?
>>
>
>I have Bombo's autograph on my mitt that I got when I was 10! :)  I got his 
>autograph at the old met... Sigh...

The Met lives!!!!  You can stand at home plate inside the Mall of America and
you can see the seat where Harmon Killebrew hit his 520 foot home run.  Ok,
ok, it's not really the same, but....

>-- 
>           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
>     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
>      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
>             Win Twins!
-Rick
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Grumbling about Canseco
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:40:55 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

He claimed to have a back injury and left the park with the bases loaded a
few games back.  LaRussa wanted to pinch hit him in this situation but was
forced to use a different player when Canseco left.  This prompted Terry
Steinbach (and others) to say Canseco was not a team player.

************************************************
* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
*                                              *
* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
*                                 Life of Brian*
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: szs@world.std.com (Stephen Z Stein)
Subject: Re: AL Marginal Lineup Values through 8/9
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:01:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.052517.8784@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <l901frINNsoj@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>>Steve and/or Dr. Dave: [paraphrase: why's GriffeyJr's MRPG == McGwire's?]
>
>I am neither Steve Stein nor David Tate :-), but here is a quick answer;
You are correct, sir!

>McGwire is a first baseman, and Griffey is a center fieldfielder.
Yes! Oh sabermetricious one!

>Under Steve's system, [...]
Hold on...  I had nothing to do with the development of this measure.
As far as I know, Dave had the idea.  I'm just a convert... and I still
haven't got the !@$#^%#!@ spreadsheet right yet!  The AL shortstops 8/9
were wrong due to a typo in the "average" shortstop stats.  Damn tough
stat to calculate!

But it's a *very* useful stat to base "General Manager"-type decisions
in simulation leagues... building a team, evaluating drafting and trade
decisions, etc.

It's also a good stat to base MVP arguments on!
(Darren Daulton for MVP!) 

Hey the season's over, isn't it?  (At least the Red Sox think so...)

- Steve "Ed" Stein
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: efk@po.CWRU.Edu (Edward F. Kerekes)
Subject: First hitter reaching base
Reply-To: efk@po.CWRU.Edu (Edward F. Kerekes)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:08:00 GMT


I am involved in an arguement over a statistic I heard but cannot find a
source or reasonable support but I was told that this would be the place to
post my question.

If the first batter reaches base what is the percentage that he scores?
I heard from someone that 70% of the first batters that reach base score.
This seems a little high but I can't find a source to check this statistic.
THe line scores are no help because it does not give you sufficient information
on innings where a team does not score.  After watching several games and
keeping track of the first batter reaching base I determined they score more
than I thought but I still don't think it's 70%.

Any input or information on where I can find the answer is greatly appreciated
and thanks in advance.

				Go tribe
-- 

    Edward Kerekes   Case Western Reserve University,  Pediatrics-CMIS
"Some Days You get the bear,
 Some Days the bear gets you."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Who will Giants protect?  (was Re:  Expansion Draft)
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:22:14 GMT

In article <92231.51517.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>>One does get up to 15 in a hurry, doesn't one?  This leaves Trevor
>>>Wilson (yeah I know), Brantley, Heredia and Olivares from the pitching
>>>staff,
>
   They may protect Wilson, depending on how he pitches from now on.  He was
brillant in his last 2 outings.  

>Well, there's one less to deal with.  Heredia won't even be available now--
>at least not from the Giants.  Heredia has just been traded to the Expos for
>a minor-league infielder.  Not a big loss, I might add.

     I missed the news about the Heredia trade.  Who did the Giants get in
return?  Is Heredia in the Expos roster now?  He's just the latest young
pitcher that the Giants have given up on.  The guy is not that bad in middle
relief, he has the potential to become a solid major league starter.  Heredia
led the PCL in ERA last season, which is some kind of accomplishment considered
that PCL is a hitter's league.
>
>I'm tired of Brantley.  He only knows how to pitch once he gets himself into
>a bases-loaded jam--and even then, he sometimes fails.  Brantley doesn't know
>how to pitch when there are any bases without runners on them.  Ulcer City.
>
    I feel the same way about Brantley but I have a feeling that the Giants
is going to protect him.  However, I don't think guys like Brantley and
Rhagetti should be protected because the Marlins and Rockies should not
intent to pick up someone with their kind of salaries.


>Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
>****************************************************************************

Edward Hui
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:48:10 GMT
Organization: Boo! 

In <1992Aug12.200713.15564@ra.msstate.edu> maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark A. Jamison) writes:

>think DC is better than RC.. When you take statistics, and adjust
>them for the park they pitch in, I would wager that cone wouldn't
>be in the topo ten.. The only thing Cone is exceptional is
>strikeouts, and that has to be the most overated pitching statistic
>ever, with the possiblle exception of wins..

Strikeouts are helpful in predicting future performance.  But they're
completely meaningless in evaluating past contributions.

>Cone plays in a neutral park, so his ERA iis not effected by his park..

Cone pitches half his games in Shea Stadium, which is an extreme pitchers'
park, deflating run production by about 8%.

Greg 
-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
158-17 Riverside Dr.                     Ned Martin, 10/22/75   
Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here)
From: blankman@sel2.hep.upenn.edu (Alan Blankman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies/Orioles Trade(Scarsone/Bell)
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:50:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

The Philadelphia Inquirer gives a very short description of Steve Scarsone
in a rather lengthy (~12") article on the trade:

  " ... for Steve Scarsone, 26,  a second baseman who hit .274, with 
     11 homers and 48 RBIs, for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in triple A."

The rest of the article was spent on Bell.... 


				--O's all the way!
				--Alan Blankman
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