From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:14:04 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <23379@optima.cs.arizona.edu> lal@cs.arizona.edu (The New Sun) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.163040.24210@news.columbia.edu> ta-vg11@muddnext8.cc.columbia.edu (Vikas Gupta) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.074207.6240@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)  
>>writes:
>>> >
>>> >What??  FYI, IIT Kanpur (Undergraduate program) is ranked 7th in the  
>>world.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> 
>>> 	So according to you IIT kanpur's undergraduate program
>>> is at par with Harvard, MIT, Yale, Cornell, Columbia, Darthmouth,
>>> Caltech, Oxford, Cambridge etc. Would you like to provide some
>>> reference to this claim, or is this another one of those "we-are-
>>> from-iit-so-whatever-we-say-must-be-right" claims
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> The Phoenix
>>> 
>>> >-Shubu
>>
>>
>>FYI  I am a TA for an undergraduate course in Columbia.From the lab  
>>facilities given to the undergraduates I can tell you that even most of  
>>the private colleges and Govt.engg. colleges get a much better education  
>>and facilities and they are much more clearer about their subject than  
>>most Columbia Undergraduates.
>>
>>
>>VIKAS.
>
>First of all I am not sure what private colleges and Govt.engg. colleges Vikas is refering to. I can say once again that the education I have recieved so far for my B.S. at CSUS and at Arizona is much better than any IIT.
>The practical training and the equipment is vastly superior. Where in India would you be able to work with Intel beta test versions of their products, Workstations, Vax clusters, IBM PCs, Macs, IBM minis, have CAD VLSI design software, Digital and Analog circuit design tools, 24hr lab access, get the newest products from the market to work with (Xilinx 4000 series FPGAs)?
>	(In an Undergraduate program)
>	If you would get all these facilities in an Indian Undergraduate program, please tell me. I would like to transfer there to finish my education, if transferring is not possible then go for my Ms. there. Of course the M.S. program must have twice as many facilities and resources available as compared to the undergraduate program.
>	IIT be loved.
>
>Thanks
>
>Abhinav Lal

So what if you have a supercomputer in your lab devoted to just yourself. Education just doesn't comprize
using a workstation or working 24 hours on MATLAB or Mathematica or getting to know the latest 
products in the market. Have you ever received any education at an IIT?. You have 
said twice that the education you received is much better than anyone would receive in
an IIT. How are you so confidently comparing the education at your place and the IITs?.
You keep saying hundred and one times, it wouldn't make extra sense. 

And finally it's not easy to get into the IITs or any of the top engineering colleges in India. 
There is an entrance exam for admissions to the IITs whether you want to go for a Bachelor's
or Master's. Since your knowledge of workstations and Vax clusters is not what they ask for in the exam,
you might want to get some coaching from Brilliant's or Agrawal's(I think the exam is given in various 
languages now, but C or pascal is not one of them). 

Since your concern is to get a better education than in your place, you may also consider the RECs, BITS,
IT-BHU and some other colleges. The list is quite big and I can send you a comprehensive list if you are
interested. You might want to finish your Bachelor's here and then try to get into a program in India,
as a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Hope my advice helps.

You are welcome,

Ramakrishna 
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