HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Mathematica Problems
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:10:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.152452.3339@newshost.lanl.gov> tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M.  
Swan) writes:

> suggest that a better place for   those scripts would be
> /usr/local/bin of /usr/bin. 

Yes!  It can be so annoying when an App insists upon looking
for shell scripts or files in /LocalApps, where they most
certainly (IMHO) do not belong.  Absoft Fortran comes to mind...

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: jscott@vardamir.next.nd.edu (james scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Wanted:  frame-grabber for still video
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:37:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.203724.27656
Organization: University of Notre Dame

Greetings!

I have a small problem.  I would like to transfer images from a Cannon Xap  
Shot still video camera to the NeXT via the video inputs on the ND board.   
The Canon uses the NTSC standard, but I've encountered problems using the  
NeXTtv app.  I think it has something to do with the way the camera  
doesn't update the image.

Does anyone know of other software which would be suitable to my task?  Or  
do I get to write my own?

--
James Scott
NeXT Campus Consultant
University of Notre Dame
I do lots of things for NeXT, but I don't speak for them.
--
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT, Speak Up!!! (was: NewsGrazer crashes
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: net news via comp.sys.next.misc
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc

In article <1992Apr16.185922.25491@cognet.ucla.edu>  
chris@cognet.ucla.edu (Christopher McRae) writes:
$ NewsGrazer crashes with a "Bus Error" message when it sees groups,
$ with 10 (or more) dots in the name.
$   Pascal Chesnais (lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu) says that NeXT
$ has a version of NewsGrazer which fixes this, but is not releasing
$ it yet.  

Hello NeXT. I know you're reading this.

What are you going to do with NewsGrazer?
When are you going to tell us what you are going to do with
NewsGrazer?
Are you going to tell us what you are going to do with NewsGrazer?

Please have someone at NeXT post answers to these questions to this  
newsgroup. 

When may we expect a reply?
From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:33:21 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

In article <1992Apr6.192248.15847@glv.uucp> jcelam@oops (James Clifton (Cliff)  
Elam) writes:
> 1> NeXT should sell the runtime stuff for $250 or less.
> 2> Developers should be able to distribute the run-time (a la' windows 
>    in the old days) for close to nothing.
> 3> The developer version cost is irrelevant - people were developing for
>    windows when the SDK cost 2K+.
> 
Um... Gee, I don't think $250 would cover the royalties that NeXT pays for  
using such things as:  Unix, NFS, Postscript, richtext, and others (only four I  
could think of at the moment, but I'm pretty sure we pay royalties for other  
things as well)

In other words, I don't think $250 would cover OUR costs.  We'd be selling it  
at a loss.  Not a good thing to do.

I bet we also will be paying royalties for Renderman (just thought of it)

As has been said before in this newsgroup, if you look at all the stuff that  
NeXT sells to EVERY NeXTStep user, a comparible package for ANY other computer  
would run well over $5,000.  I'm of the impression that the price we've set is  
extremely cheap for what you get.

DISCLAIMER:  These are my OPINIONS, not those of NeXT.  This post contains no  
facts (other than the fact that we pay royalties for some of the standards we  
use)
--
                             E-Mail (NeXTmail accepted): Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com
                    "Character is what you are in the dark." -Buckaroo Banzai
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@banana.handheld.com>
Subject: Re: More on ND compression (followup survey)
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:50:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.174601.6900@serval.net.wsu.edu> flynn@gecko.eecs.wsu.edu
(Patrick J. Flynn) writes:
>SHIP WHAT YOU PROMISED, OR TELL US WHY YOU WON'T!   EITHER ONE OF THESE
>WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO CONTINUED INDECISION.
>
>\end{concurring-flame}
>
>--
>Simple Simon met a pieman, selling poisoned pies.                  | flynn@
>Said the pieman, `Why not try one?' as he brushed off the flies.   | eecs.wsu.
>`Thank you, pieman!' said Simple Simon, and died, to his surprise. | edu
>

I agree 100%.

Jim De Arras

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Serial input via DSP
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:02:06 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.063708.9963@atlantis.uucp>
bugs@atlantis.uucp (Dan Berry) writes:

>"On a first date, watch how your date treats the waiter, the bartender,
>	and so on.  That's how she'll be treating YOU after three months."

Alternatively: That how he'll be treating you after three
dates or three weeks, whichever comes first.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: color laser with old cubes?
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:47:55 GMT

In article <53701@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1111a@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox)  
writes:
> We have about 9 old-style '030 cubes with 380 meg HD's and an MO disk each.
> 
> I am very interested in the new color PostScript printer, but a couple of
> obvious questions arise. I have been told that NeXTStep 3.0 extended will
> be required to use the new printer. Will my old cubes:
> 
> 1) Be able to hold all of 3.0 extended and still have some room left
>    over for a fair amount of swap?
> 2) Be connectable to the new CD-ROM drive for purpose of loading 3.0 ext?
> 3) Print color transparencies of reasonable quality?
> 
> I am assuming of course that someone out there in net.land has managed to
> snag one of these way ahead of the rest of us.

Yes on all counts.  But the new NeXT color printer isn't a laser printer nor is  
it Postscript.  It's a bubble-jet printer and the Postscript is built into the  
NeXT itself.   The 400dpi isn't a Postscript printer either.  All the printer  
process is bitmaps.
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
To: Zeke Koch <zeke@reed.edu>
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:18:40 GMT

Don't you think the point has been made?  I think I will write a NewsGrazer to
MIME filter and cause every RTF message to be automatically re-posted in MIME
format.

There is more than one way to stop creeping RTFism.
From: gdrew@cs.umd.edu (Greg Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT mail to regular email
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:58:44 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I just had someone tell me that they were having trouble recieving NeXT
generated mail on a regular terminal.  I was under the impression that 
the text of a piece of NeXT mail could be read on a standard unix box, but
that you would loose the graphics, sound, etc.  That has been the case
when I have gotten mail from a next.  If there is actually sometimes a problem,
is there a filter that could strip the text from a NeXT mail message and 
display it?
					-- Thanks
					  __ GDD
PS  If this is a FAQ, could someone please point me at the appropriate site?
I have almost no experience with NeXT's and suddenly find myself in need of
all the info I can get.
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Drew                          | Watch for coming attractions 
gdrew@trellis.cs.umd.edu           |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: seungwoo@cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Ac_Chen
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:20:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.162027.3102
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

I followed this thread a while and tried to get this program from 
various ftp sites, but I couldn't find it tho. Could some kind soul
let me know the internet address where I can ftp it? Thanks.

Seung-Woo Kim 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Chinese on the NeXT?
Organization: Shaman Consulting
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:57:07 GMT

In article <s55a0INNfj8@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu  
(Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
> 
> I don't think NeXT uses Unicode in 2.1J, at least not yet, although they
> might have announced intentions of doing so some time in the future.
> The current standard code for Japanese NeXT OS (2.1J) is EUC.


Izumi -
	Thank you for correcting me on that, you are indeed correct, NeXT  
currently uses EUC, but has announced support for Unicode in the future. I  
got my temporal distortion field settings a bit screwed up.

	- Jiro

-- 
Jiro Nakamura				jiro@shaman.com (NeXTmail)
NeXTwatch / Technical Editor		76711,542 (CIS)
The Shaman Group			+1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Future of NewsGrazer?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:28:00 GMT

nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> Unfortunately, Jayson replied that NeXT did not release
> the rights to NewsGrazer to him when he left. 
> Furthermore, he isn't sure that any future work will be
> done on the App.
> 
> Can anyone add to this story?  I'd sure like to see some bugs
> fixed, and some new functionality added to this neat App. 

Following the instructions in the info panel for Newsgrazer, I send my own  
bug reports to newgrazer.next.com.  I don't know if any work is being done  
on a new version of NG, but I do know that someone is reading the mail to  
that address (because I sometimes get answers to my comments).

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Subject: Don't FAQ with SEF!  (Re: SEF did it again)
Organization: L5 Computing
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:07:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.074920.7384@darkcube.radig.de> vhs@darkcube.radig.de  
(Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
|> When will SEF finally appear in the NeXT FAQ?
No! This is *EXACTLY* what he wants! He'd print the FAQ out, frame it, and
hang it on his wall. And every time he'd glance at it his dick would get hard.

And it's a know behavioral pattern that people in pain tend to act even more  
irrationally. After SEF wound up with "blue balls" from staring at the FAQ
he'd be even *more* unpleasant. And I don't think we'd want that.

I guess you could say that not FAQing SEF would be for his benefit as well. :)

BTW, those were excellent icons!

Scotty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:25:45 -0400 
From: "William M. Bumgarner" <wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: OpenGL vs. Renderman
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 16-Apr-92 Re: OpenGL vs.
Renderman by Scott Wisdom@leghorn.cs. 
> RenderMan itself isn't objected oriented.


Correct, but the design of RenderMan is extremely OO in nature.  I had
to build a 3D hierarchical graphics editor w/renderman support for a
graphics class last semester.

Wrapping RenderMan calls with objects in an extremely flexible manner
was actually relatively easy.  Of course, we didn't have the time nor
experience to do an implementation with half the flexibility and power
the NeXT has done from the appkit side...

I'm looking forward to beating my head off of 3Dkit-- should be similar
to what we did last semester w/a hell of a lot more power in the
underlying engine.

[the worst part about the whole project was getting a 1-to-1 pixel
correspondance between my wireframe code and the renderman renderings--
basically done in the camera object.  That was a mess.  Now that NeXT
takes care of all that for you, doing 3D graphics is going to be a blast.

(BTW: I would realease the code for it, but it is basically useless
unless you have the RenderMan Developer's Environment-- which few do--
and the pending release of 3.0 is going to obsolete it anyway. email if
you are interested)

b.bum

bbum+@cmu.edu    | But who can unlearn all the facts that I've learned
                 | As I sat in their chairs and my synapses burned
NeXT Developer   | And the torture of chalk dust collects on my tongue
  Support Temp   | Thoughts follow my vision and dance in the sun  -- PHISH

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: minch@lotka.stanford.edu (Eric Minch)
Subject: Shaddup areddy! Who cares? (was Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:16:26 GMT

"...Nathan Janette writes <da-dum da-dum> Jess Anderson sez  
<dee-dee-dee>... Todd's posting ... SEF, ... Glenn's postings  
<dooby-dooby-doo>..."

Wouldn't all this go just as well via email?

Eric Minch             Any resemblance to the opinions of persons
Epistemic Artisan      or organizations other than myself--living,
Stanford Genetics      dead, or imaginary--is purely fortuitous.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: grstate@crocus.waterloo.edu (Gavriel State)
Subject: Bandwidth Idiots
Keywords: arrogant stupid jerk
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:59:07 GMT

Well, the end of the school term is upon me, and I will soon return home to 
Ottawa where I don't have access to a direct internet link.  

As I have mentioned in passing before, in Ottawa we have a co-operative 
UUCP network (domain name is ocunix.on.ca) set up for basic mail and 
news access.  Due to the desire to keep costs at a minimum, we don't allow
the use of mail-FTP gateways (last I checked we automatically bounce 
such things), nor do we get any of the binary groups.  

Being one of the relatively few people in Ottawa subscribing to c.s.n.m, 
and given the hugely inappropriate binary postings recently, it seems
as though I will not likely be able to continue to read the group.  

Since I have recently sold my NeXT, this is no longer of much concern to me, 
but realize that this also means that no-one else in our UUCP co-op will 
be able to read c.s.n.* either.  

That said, I wish to give a heart salute to Mr. Sean Eric Fagan for his 
stand.  His methods may not be appropriate, but his point must be well 
taken.  

At the same time I wish to refer Mr. Mark Crispin to the 'Keywords:' field
of this message.  I trust that him being such an expert on news software
will mean that he will have little difficulty finding it.


-- 
Gavriel State | 2A Systems Design Engineering/Economics | University of Waterloo
grstate@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (School)  |  "What in God's name is going on?"
grstate@vader.ocunix.on.ca (> Apr 17) |   "FOUL!  No rhetoric!  Two-one!"
(519)746-2215 (Waterloo)              | Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
From: stefanos@concour.cs.concordia.ca (KIAKAS stefanos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Revealed.
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:04:59 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <beatty.703265905@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU> beatty+@cs.cmu.edu (Derek Beatty) writes:
>programmers, and 2) programmers will write programmer-productivity
>tools, on whatever platform they're using.  Thus, the decision that
>the Andrew project made, namely, to use workstations (for programmer
>productivity), was wrong.  During the question period after the talk,
>one CS professor concurred, pointing out that his experience teaching
>an introductory course using Andrew was that the students who wrote
>code on their PC's did substantially better work than those students
>who used Andrew.

	well i'm probably over my head, but most students have a PC at
home and are probably more familiar with that environment than the
workstations and Andrew.

	i for one would be much more productive and get better marks
using my NeXT than using a PC, and that is because i have become familiar
with the NeXT environment. now if you gave me a workstation with Andrew
and told me i was to do all my work for the semester using that workstation
and Andrew i guess i would be less productive until i learned how to use
them well. it would probably take more than a semester to master the
new environment.

	i hate it when i take a course and i have to learn a new piece of
software just for that course because:
	1) depending on the software it could be a few weeks of experimenting
           to feel comfortable with it
	2) i don't have the time to learn all the tricks to make me really
           productive during the semester
	3) i will probably never have to use that software again.

just a few thoughts,
stef
From: rob@nabob.cc.mcgill.ca (Robert Macfarlane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Developers:  I'll translate your apps
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:00:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: sifon.1992Apr15.160009.24975
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada

**** I'm posting this for a friend, so please please please ****
**** don't send me e-mail.  His phone and fax numbers are   ****
**** below.  Thanx!                                         ****

NeXT developers, are you ready to take on the world?  Well, here's
your chance to take on the French-speaking world.

With NeXT's European success and upcoming 3.0 system release,
localization will soon be both easier and more important.  French
localization should be of interest to you for the France (all 50
million of them) and Quebec (all 6 million of us) markets.

I am francophone by birth, educated in French, with college-level
English courses, and working in an English environment.  I have more
than 10 years of computer experience, starting with Apple II's and
Macintoshes and culminating in NeXTs.  My Macintosh experience
exposed me to many applications in their English and French 
versions, as well as to applications in most--if not all--major
software categories in both French and English.

The offer I am making to the NeXT community is this:

     I will translate the interface, dialog boxes, and Help files of
     an application (not the manuals, on-line or not, see below) for
     one (1) copy of that application, box, manuals, and all.  Since
     I am an active member of the Club Macintosh de Montreal, where
     we have a NeXTcube and often meet in NeXT-specific SIGs, an 
     extra copy, or at least a license to use my copy, of the  
     application would be greatly appreciated.

As far as manuals are concerned, the translation of which should take
considerably more effort, that would have to be done for more   
substantive remuneration (that with which I could feed myself), but
a good on-line Help is worth a thousand manuals, isn't it?

So, if anyone is interested, from the smallest to the mightiest,
please contact me at the coordinates indicated below, and I will be
more than happy to see how I may help you.

NeXTly yours,

Nicolas Dore
4000 Barclay, #3
Montreal, Quebec
H3S 1K8
tel: (514) 342-7027
fax: (514) 935-5946
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: root@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Purgathofer)
Subject: Mathematica Problems
Reply-To: purgi@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Purgathofer)
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:07:48 GMT

We have a copy of Mathematica and we cant bring it to work. 

Version is
"NeXT Release 2.1
Mathematica 2.0
Front End Version 2.0
June 1991"

It just doesnt work. You type in a formula (eg. sin(x)) and it starts working,  
rotating the little Harddisk-Cursor and never coming back. We are quite trained  
in using Mathematica on a Mac, and we tried to make it just the way we used to.

Are there known problems of certain versions? Is it wrong installed? Do i have  
to change some settings?

Thanx in advance
==============================================
Peter Purgathofer (i didn t vote for him)
Institut f. Gestaltungs- und Wirkungsforschung
Techn. University Vienna / Computer Science
purgi@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at
==============================================
"ROMANUS EUNT DOMUM" (Brian)
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul B. Verket)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Compuserve and NeXT
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:40:49 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

SAMcinty@exua.exeter.ac.uk (Scott McIntyre) writes:
: 
: Is it possible to access compuserve from the Internet?  Is there a 
: telnet source for it?  Unfortunately, the connection charges in the
: UK for communications are rather high, and a inet connection would
: be a lot cheaper since I've already got the connection to that..

You can send/receive mail from a compuserve user. To send address it as:
	userid@compuserve.com
For example, I am: 74176.534@compuserve.com
(Don't send mail to me there, I seldom sign on to compuserve) The 
compuserve user can address mail to the internet by entering (from memory)
	>INTERNET:domain.address
So I am: >INTERNET:verket@venice.sedd.trw.com
Check the online help to be sure. Note that one can only send ASCII
mail back and forth and you therefore have compuserve's (50K ?) limit
ont it's size. Binary mail is not supported.

There isn't a telnet login capability that I'm aware of.

: 
: Also, is there a compuserve interface around?  I know there are 
: programmes for the Mac and the IBM, but has someone written one for
: the NeXT?  Maybe I should try, shame I can't programme....

Check with the authors of Microphone II. They might have one in the
works for their upcoming 1.0 release. (next@svcdudes.com)

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)