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From: meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Keith Green tribute.
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:15:53 GMT
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us

Out of the mouth of Rob Althoff:
>
>You're right.  There is a Keith Green album called _No Compromise_.  The
>album that Jeffery is discussing, however, is an album that was
>put out just this year as a tribute to Keith Green...

Okay, I give up.  Like sin, I wanted this to blow over quietly,
but hoof-and-mouth disease also often requires public atonement,
so...

"I am an idiot."

Rob is the third person to point this out (quite lovingly,
I might add - what a group this is!)  Yes, the VERY NEXT DAY
after I posted that I got a magazine with an ad for the All
New _No Compromise_.  It sounds way cool, but I still think
they should have called it something else so as not to
confuse us idiots.

-Miles

No Compromise II
Son of No Compromise
No Compromise Meets Godzilla
The Road to No Compromise
Beach Blanket No Compromise
Still No Compromise After All These Years
Even More No Compromise
Not Even a Smidgeon of Compromise
Compromise -- NOT! 
The NoCompromisor II - Judgement Day
All the Compromise in Your Mother's Eyes
To Hell With The Devil and Compromise
   (oops, Stryper isn't with Word...)

and, the real tribute to Keith - will they give it
away free to those without any money?  or at least
throw in a set of Ginzu Knives?  8^)
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Denominationalism
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:16:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.115304.5897@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> In article <keS198i00Uh_Q33otQ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Meg Alison Veily <mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> > 	<1992Jul29.195954.18746@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
|> > Distribution: usa
|> > Lines: 22
|> > 
|> > I was not going to post this to this bboard, becuase it had nothing to
|> > do with music. In light of the discussion-bordering-on-argument about
|> > different denominations, I have changed my mind.
|> > 
|> > This is a prophetic word God gave me about a week ago. I took it as both
|> > a comfort and an exhortation. I pray you all will, too.
|> > 
|> > "The Lord says: The time has come to end the divisiveness in My church.
|> > My people must seek unity in the body. Do not say, "He is a catholic" or
|> > "He is a protestant." Nor should you say, "He is over there but I am
|> > over here." Rather, say "He is a Christian, and I am a Christian, so we
|> > are one in Christ." True revival can only come about when My people
|> > dwell in unity-not only in the local body, but across denominations and
|> > locations and cultures. Seek this greater unity with your brothers and
|> > sisters. Then My Spirit will be poured out upon you, and you will
|> > accomplish mighty things for My Kingdom."
|> >  
|> > In Christ,
|> >  
|> > -Meg
|> >  
|> 
|> AMEN to that!

And AMEN!

|> 
|> Love,
|> Evan
|> 


-- Tim
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From: gar@cltr.uq.oz.au (Greg Restall)
Subject: Authors...
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
	<1992Jul27.020112.3683@techbook.com> 
	<1992Jul29.014713.9884@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> 
	<1992Jul29.131711.2115@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:00:04 GMT

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

*Does anyone else here know and like these folks?  Or have any
*similar recommendations for Christian fiction and/or poetry?
*Don't tell me about Lewis, Tolkien, Williams, Peretti, Lawhead, et 
*al.  That's okay, but I'm looking for something besides tracts
*disguised as fantasy novels (no, that doesn't really apply to
*C.S., J.R.R., and Charles, but Peretti and Lawhead bore me to
*tears).  Just to help you out some, the contemporary writers that
*I esteem most highly are Dillard, O'Connor, John Updike, Gabriel
*Garcia Marquez, Milan Kundera, Thomas Pynchon, and Graham Green.  
*Anybody willing to recommend something else along those lines?
*
*Andy Whitman

Well, I know and like (some) of these folks.  Another you might
like to try, if he's accessible on the other side of the Pacific,
is Tim Winton.  Any of his books (published by Penguin, in Australia)
are to be highly recommended.  His short stories -- in "Scission", 
"An Open Swimmer", and a few other books -- are the best "slice of
life" material I've read.  He has a good grip on what it is to be
alive.  Highly recommended to anyone who has a love of God, life,
Australia, humanity, or the English language.

Best wishes

Greg

 
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From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Beldin Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM Definitions
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:51:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <64031@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
> >>> You know, after I became a Christian, I had all of my Secular music
>   in one section, and CCM in another, and would see which one was larger.
>   Then I realized that this was silly, because it just seemed pointless
>   to label an art form. I now have all of my music mixed in alphabetical 
>   order with the CCM cd's "touching" their evil counterparts. Face it,
>   music is music, this arguing,(according to Dan) IMHO, is just quibbling 
>   over nit picks.
> 
> 
> Ahhh...  But couldn't this be construed as "being yoked together with
> non-believers?      :-)     :-)
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  As referring to Christian bands yoked to Secular bands:
  God I hope so. They both should be judged by the same standards, 
  originality, creativity, good lyric content that has a message(whatever
  that may be and not nonsense, IMHO), good vocals, and so forth.
  You can impose the restrictions that was mentioned in the start article of
  this thread, but I don't see it as necessary to enjoy music.

Bill


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Subject: Re: Keith Green tribute.
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:23:13 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Jul20.231130.8814@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>   Never heard it. I generally don't care for songs that are re-done by
>  someone other than the original artist. 
>  For some reason, this seems particularly true for Keith Green.

I generally tend to agree, but I heard Russ Taff's recording of "Love Broke
Through" (the first single) on the radio, and it's pretty good.

Brian P. Roden
Programmer/Analyst
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR        The next capital of the U.S. (I pray not)
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From: daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse)
Subject: This zip thing
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:59:33 GMT

Okay so I got the Warnke article from the archive but it's in the zip thing. 
How do I get it out?  And if getting it out takes a monumental task, could
someone just email it to me?  There is much to dive into and I want to get
started.  Thanks......Amy
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:19:21 GMT

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>Perhaps one lesson we can learn from this is to search our hearts to 
>understand why we, as Christians, often pay particular attention to
>other Christians who have experienced dramatic conversions.  I don't know 
>why this is.  But I know that I do it too.  I deplore tabloid sensationalism.  
>I don't care whether Elvis' Martian love twins actually exist or not.  But 
>I'm the first to prick up my ears when a brother or sister comes along and 
>tells me, "I used to be an axe-wielding, drug-addicted, sex-crazed psychopath 
>who killed my mama but then I found Jesus and, praise God, now I'm a normal 
>accountant."  

>This is tabloid Christianity, and it's part of Mike Warnke's appeal.  
>People don't flock to see Christian accountants.  But reformed, 
>neatly manicured ex-Satanists - ah, that's another story.  Please
>understand that if I'm pointing fingers here, I'm pointing them at
>myself as well.  It just saddens me that there's something about
>the Christian culture and, alas, something about myself that 
>finds the freak show appealing.  If I deplore what Mike Warnke
>allegedly did, and I do, then I had better reserve a little time
>to deplore the side of me that seeks out the sensational and the
>bizarre, and that creates a ready audience for those who want to
>concoct sensational, bizarre lies.

>Andy Whitman
>AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>ajw@cblpn.att.com

Yeah, I've had others tell me that listening to testimonials has its
purpose, but we're supposed to forgive and forget. In other words,
why should I dwell on what I did in the past, on that which doesn't
glorify God? Sure, it shows me where I came from, but the apostle
Paul writes, "forgetting what is behind, and straining towards what
is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God
has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus" Philippians 3:13-14.
So, maybe, MAYBE, we as Christians should not seek out these
testimonials. But, maybe these testimonials are of more benefit
to those who haven't accept Christ as Savior.

A corollary to this: I have often 'wished' ?!? that I had a more
sensationalistic (i.e. bad) past, from out of which, I received
Christ. I would then appreciate what Christ has done for me. (or
so I thought) BUt as some who had this experience told me, I have
had the joy of knowing Christ for more of my life than they had.
Furthermore, I won't suffer the consequences from those 'rough' sins.
[I won't have an illegitamate child because I didn't have
premarital sex, etc.]

Please don't get me wrong, it's refreshing to see what God can do
to us in whatever circumstance. Whether is from a sinner in a
Christian family or a sinner who's a drug addict, God can change
hearts.


Mike Miller
millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
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From: rowland@mksol.dseg.ti.com (landon l rowland)
Subject: Wanted: Paul Clark
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:27:25 GMT

Does anyone out there have the 3 volume cd set
by Paul Clark called Minstral Voyage that they
would like to sell?

Or does anyone know somewhere I can get a copy
of it?

If I can't find it, I would be interested in
buying the albums - Aim For the Heart and 
Change In The Wind.

email me if interested

thanks
From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:15:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

> I must have missed a lot of posts somewhere, because I don't recall anyone
> mentioning what denomination they're in... But, just to set the record
> straight, I am not a Baptist.  I've attended Lutheran, non-denominational,
> Episcopal and Evangelical Free (where I'm currently a member) in that
> order, but no... never a Baptist.
> 
> Secular?  I've never heard of that denomination. ;)

By, Secular, I meant not a Christian. No, it's not that anybody really
said what they were, i.e. denominmation. I just meant that most of the
postings seemed to be on the conservative side, and I tend to think
that it's usually Baptists. So I'm wrong, I started this out of 
curiousity, not out of the desire to get flames. I get enough of
those already. :)

Bill


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From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Warnke zip file
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:23:39 GMT


Has anyone been able to unzip the Warnke file at wustl?
I have downloaded it twice and get an error message
("expected central file header signature not found")
when I try to unzip it.

Thanks,
John
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: U2 uses padding?
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:54:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>This `wall of sound' stuff is a relatively recent phenomenon in the
life of U2.  Listen to the their good (read `older' (IMHO) :-) stuff and
you often find simple guitar bass and drums, with minimal effects on
the guitar.


I share your opinion about U2: "good = older/simpler."  I Should have 
mentioned that the heavy doctoring and padding has only occurred in the last
few albums, probably due to U2's increased financial success.


-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 

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From: ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Rob Althoff)
Subject: Re: Keith Green tribute.
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.052611.8594@pencom.com> meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV) writes:

>Out of the mouth of HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)):
>>It's called "No Compromise" (I thought you'd never guess).  Yeah, it
>>includes Margaret Becker, Michael Card, and as far as I remember,
>>maybe even Petra.  I haven't heard it or heard anything about it,
>>but I haven't heard that it's bad, so I guess it's not.  :)  Anyone
>>have their two cents to add about it?


>Strange - I have Keith's _No Compromise_ right here, and none
>of those people are on it.  Danniebelle appears on many of the
>songs, Matthew Ward on 2, and topnotch studio musicians appear
>throughout.  On the one song not written by Keith or Melody,
>_The Victor_ by Jamie Owens-Collins, Jamie, Anne (sic) Herring,
>Matthew Ward, Steve Greisen, nelly Greisen, and a couple of
>others people I never heard of sing.
>
>It came out in '78 or '79.
>
>And it's excellent.  With an awesome cover (I wish I had a large
>painting of it like I once saw at someone's home).
>
>-Miles

Hi ya!

You're right.  There is a Keith Green album called _No Compromise_.  The
album that Jeffery is discussing, however, is an album that was
put out just this year as a tribute to Keith Green.  It contains all
these people that he mentions (and then some) doing remakes of Keith
Green songs.  I haven't heard the album yet, but it looks very
interesting.  I was fairly confused when I saw it at the bookstore until
I realized what the scoop was.  And you're also right about the album
cover--very cool indeed.

Later,
Rob
--
Rob Althoff
Neuroscience Program and College of Medicine
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
email to : ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu


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From: bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.191538.12958@cs.cornell.edu> lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) writes:
>PS: MHO regarding Benny Hinn, Ken H. and Ken C.: I think they are all a bit
>unbalanced and/or misguided, but calling them a cult is a bit extreme.
>
When you elivate man to the level of God, you get cult don't you?
Are not the Mormons considered a cult by the Christian mainstream.


Brad

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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.194530.4236@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:

>This all gets back to accountability.  No one is an island, and God
>doesn't expect any of us to try to meet the challenges and temptations
>of life alone.  He gave us the church and He gave us one another.  We
>MUST hold each other accountable, especially if we are in a position
>which commands the respect of other christians (such as a leadership
>or teaching role).

  Is there something else we should learn from this? Certainly accountability
 _is_ a big lesson. It's a hard lesson to learn for some of us, which makes
 the lesson even more sobering. I just wonder what other lessons we should
 learn from this. It might be a fruitful topic for further discussion. Perhaps
 another lesson is the need to be _thinking_ Christians, not just grasping
 to something just because it is labeled as "christian." (of course, that
 would not have helped most of us on the net -- how were we to know the
 things brought up in the cornerstone article?)

 i am sad in a way that i never was with jim baker and jimmy swaggart
 tales of [fill in your favorite adjective]. in my case, it turns out that
 wanke is/was the one christian that my brother (who is not) seemed to
 to have much respect for (besides myself) 
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From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 77's releases?
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:17:57 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul30.011658.11908@b11.b11.ingr.com>, jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Roberts) writes:
> Anyone heard anything about the new 77's and the rumored CD re-releases?

        Yes.  The new album has the working title of "Pray Naked."  Mike says
that "pray naked!" is to be the Christian youth slogan of the 90's, taking the
place of "God Rules!"  The new album is to sound rather different.  In the 77's
press conference at Cornerstone, Mike described the new sound as being like
"the band of old" but that each song has seventeen guitar tracks on it.  The
album should be out on Brainstorm Artists (BAI) in a month or two.
        Reissues?  Probably.  The red tape is getting worked out, and "Ping
Pong Over The Abyss," "All Fall Down," and "Seventy Sevens" (the Island album)
should all be available on CD eventually.   However, even reissues cost money.
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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Hey, leave The PIG alone!
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.043528.13985@pencom.com>, meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV) writes:
> 
> Out of the mouth of The DOK:
> `...(Jerry B. Ray) writes:
> `
> `> (Or forget top 40 and listen to One Bad Pig :-)
> `
> `       Now listen here you!!!!!!!!! 
> `           Don't you ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
> `ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
> `  [ times 6 ]
> `ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever say that again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Yes - I am HIGHLY offended!  Why, oh, *why* did you
> put the smily face after that excellent advice????
> 
> -Miles
> 
> works for me
> 
   Dunno

             The DOK
From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Hey, leave Debbie alone!
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:36:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <64144@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
> In article <84100@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> >But I've really been impressed with "Heart In Motion."  It's good pop
> >music (which immediately puts it a cut above Debbie Gibson!); that's
> 
> Hey, easy on Debbie Gibson.  Sure, her newest one sucked bad, but the first
> two were pretty good top 40 pop albums.  They're nestled into my case right
> along with Boston, Journey, Rush, Queen, et al.  (They seem rather out of 
> place, but they're good :-)
> 
> Debbie always seems to get a bad rap.  At least she attempts to write her
> own music (musical integrity and all that rot that's so big around here :-),
> and has at least limited musical talent.  Her concert was pure pop, and
> she keeps it squeaky clean.

  Maybe the reason she gets a bad rap is the company that she's in.
  She really doesn't make me wanna hurl, maybe just a bit queazy.

> If you want to rag on top 40, try Paula Abdul (blessed with the voice of
> a choreographer) or Tiffany.
  
  Nah, since I don't really listen to this stuff, I'm not going to 
  waste anymore bandwidth on it than what's necessary.

> (Or forget top 40 and listen to One Bad Pig :-)
 
  I'm trying to forget Top 40, and I have my own strange music to
  listen to, thank you.


Bill



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From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM Definitions?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:26:31 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Although this threatens to fan the sacred/secular flamefest, I will relate
my own definition.  I use it in order to classify tapes in my private
collection.

My "Christian" music rack includes anything done on a Christian label.
It also includes anything done by cross-over artists like Chagall Guevara.
(And Amy Grant, but I don't own any of her stuff.)  In addition, any 
other artists who are not in the CCM industry but are declared Christians
qualify like King's X (and U2, but again, I don't own any.)  

Christian classical music goes in with the "classical" section, except for
collections of Christmas songs which go in the Christian section.

I also think the group's definition of Christian music should be the same, 
because I do not want to exclude those who want to discuss such music.

Ernest Mueller