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From: jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's Back
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct1.232727.9747
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <BvGpA0.Gst@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>Am I the only one that is slightly distrubed by Magic's return?? Now don't
>>get me wrong I think he's one of the greatest players of all time but come
>>on now, basketball is a physical sport and the likelyhood of getting cuts is
>>pretty darn high.  Now how many of you would want to participate in a full
>>contact sport with a person who's carrying an infectitious disease when 
>>he starts bleeding???
>
>	I've always wondered why everyone's made such a big deal about this.
>	Think about it -- Magic's been in the league for over a decade now,
>	and -- have U ever seen him suffer an open wound?  Sure, I've seen
>	him injure a knee, or pull a hamstring -- but I've never seen him
>	get anything as much as a paper cut!  In fact, just off of the top
>	of my head, I have barely ever seen any open wounds at all -- sans
>	the time when Isiah Thomas ran into Karl Malone's elbow... :)
>
>	Jazzy J
>
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      Its pretty obvious to me that a lot of NBA fans out there don't also
participate in the sport recreationaly. I play at the local gyms 2 or 3
times a week and even at this level i find not more than 2 weeks will
go by without at least a small bleeding cut being inflicted on myself. Ask
an NBA player and i'd be willing to bet that they'd tell you they seldom
leave a game without at least a little of thier own or someone elses blood
on themselfs or at least on thier clothes. Television does not show this
amount of blood very well and i really beieve there is a lot more there
than most people realize.



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Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.  | GO Atlanta Falcons! 
Beaverton, Oregon.              | GO Georgia Bulldawgs!
                                | GO Atlanta Braves! 1991 NL Champs!    
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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Gaze in the NBA?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:09:48 EDT

In article <1afqppINNie@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>
>
>>I don't think so.  Gaze numbers were great in D II in Italy because he was
>>playing against D II opponents. They aren't that great so he looks like a
>star.
>>Kinda like when you play against your little brother and are able to crush
>>him 15 - 0 every game and then you go to the park and get your butt whipped
>>by some REAL ball players.
>
>YEAH!!! And also kinda like going to some nothing NAIA school like Arkansas
>State and whooping ass there and expecting to do it in the NBA! Like that
>Scottie Pippen character! Never mind.

	Or Greg Grant, who averaged 30.7 points per game at Trenton State, a
Division III school, and averaged a whopping 2 and change in the bigs.

>>					Dennis J.
>
>Stan

			- Dev
From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Go Magic!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:09:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>Go Magic, Go Magic, Go!!!!!
>Go Magic!!!
>Go Magic!!!
>Go Magic!!!
>Go Magic!!!

[etc.]

He already went-- but he came back!  Argh!!

Yes, Magic, Go!  And stay gone!

Tony
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From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Subject: Re: Gaze in the NBA?
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:08:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.025846.5373@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY) writes:

>O.K all you American basketball fans, what I ask here is your expert 
>judgement.  Is Andrew Gaze good enough to play in the NBA or is he better
>off staying in Europe?  Many news readers would have watched the Olympics
>
>In Australia, Gaze has been the standout player in the last 6-7 years, and
>although American imports always lead most stat. categories, Gaze has been 
>a leading scorer in all these years and is favoured to win the MVP over 
>former US players Doug Overton (ex-Detroit), Lanard Copeland (Clippers) and
>a host of others.

Overton and Copeland are in Australia... I thought they were selling cars in
Tacoma, Washington... :)  These two are far from standouts...

>but his perormance in Italy (for D2 Udine)  underlined his potential.  In 
>a bottom team in the 2nd division, Gaze ranked 2nd overall (1st division 
>included) statistically.  Doesn't this alone warrant another chance?  He

Let me see if I got this straight:   I am a great Division II player. I am able
to put up some incredible stats against DII opponents. My numbers are better 
than many Div I players SO therefore I am better than MOST D I players?

I don't think so.  Gaze numbers were great in D II in Italy because he was
playing against D II opponents. They aren't that great so he looks like a star.

Kinda like when you play against your little brother and are able to crush
him 15 - 0 every game and then you go to the park and get your butt whipped
by some REAL ball players.

If he really wants to make it in the NBA he would have tried out for a few
more teams and then if he didn't stick then go to the CBA to show the
NBA scouts that he could play. He could be the next Starks or Campbell.

>may be considered slow and unathletic, but he has many attributes similar
>to Chris Mullin, he is a good shooter, ball-handler, is unselfish and 
>possesses good court savy.  What do you think?
>

The big problem with Gaze is that he has trouble getting his shot off with
a man inhis face. He really needs to be able to create his own shot more if
he wants to stick with an NBA squad. Though I don't believe he has much of
a chance....

>Chris.

					Dennis J.
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Holy---!  What salaries!
Summary: Sky-high salaries sever any semblance of sense
Keywords: Yikes!
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:57:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38912
Organization: University of California, San Diego


Which is more insane-- Terry Mills getting $10 mil for 5 years, or
Magic Johnson getting $14.6 million for 1 year?

$14.6 for *one year*?!  I knew the dollar was falling, but this is
incredible...

I don't even know what to say in this post.  I'm sitting here in
shock.

$14.6 million for *one year*?!  Jeez!!!

Why?!

And what devious salary-cap trick allows the Lakers to do this
without sacrificing the ability to keep other decent players on the
team?

Also, I thought there was a limit on contract increases to 30% a
year.  Magic's current contract is $2.5, $2.5, $14.6.

$14.6 million for *one year*?!  Wow!!!

Forget "Be Like Mike"...  I wanna be like Magic!

That is probably more money than I will see in my lifetime!

$14.6 million for *one year*?!  Holy moley!!

Are other superstars going to use this to whine about their
salaries?  ("Hey, Magic's making $14.6M this year!  I ought to be
good for at least half that, right?  I want my $7.3M!")

My god...


Tony
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bullets. Pistons.
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:11:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>Adams is strong here, though his shot selection and FG% dropped 
>precipitously after the all-star break. He's definitely not gun
>shy. LaBradford spent much of the season trying to catch up. 
>He was hurt for training camp, and was outta shape. His 
>ballhandling skills are suspect, so he might spend some time
>at SG, which is what I think he played @ Louisville. Brent is
>Mark Price's younger bro, and was the Bullets 2nd rd pick this 
>year from Oklahoma (?). Wes doesn't usually give rookies much
>PT but at least he's signed.

	LaBradford Smith was a 3-year starter at the point for Louisville.
	Actually, for all his 4 yeras, he pretty much split the PG duties
	w/ the likes of Keith Williams and James "Boo" Brewer.  I believe
	he's in the Top-5 in career assists at U of L.  Brent Price went
	to Oklahoma, after originally starting out at South Carolina.  He's
	got a great outside shot -- and I think he'll make a solid reserve
	for the Bullets.

>Chapman played the last game of the season last year, and that
>was about it. Apparently, he has potential but his smarts are
>questionable (from the replies I got to my earlier query). 
>Wingate is still unsigned as far as I know, but did an admirable
>job last year particularly on defense.

	If Rex ever gets the brains to go w/ the body -- he'll be incredible.
	He definitely has the potential.  Wingate is certainly a defensive
	specialist.  I bet Chris Mullin still has nightmares of the D
	Wingate played on him in the 1985 NCAA Final 4!

	Interestingly enough -- but do the Bullets have a Kentucky flavor
	on them or what?  After all the coach, Wes Unseld, played his college
	ball at Louisville -- and so did LaBradford Smith & Pervis Ellison.
	Rex Chapman played at Kentucky.  Now, maybe they can trade for
	Sam Bowie, sign Kenny Walker, and bring back Darrell Griffith from
	retirement?  :)

	Jazzy J
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From: joshuab@cc.gatech.edu (Joshua Bleier)
Subject: Scottie Brooks Info (was Re: Rockets Trade)
Reply-To: joshuab@cc.gatech.edu (Joshua Bleier)
Organization: College of Computing
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.180848.26598@cs.yale.edu> tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU
(Neill Tseng) writes:
>I just read that the Minnesota Timberwolves have traded guard Scott Brooks to
>the Houston Rockets for a 1995 second-round draft choice.  Anyone have any
>info on Brooks?
>

Well, he's an Anteater from UC Irvine (known to many UCI alumni
as "UC Bovine"; god we thought we were clever) with a few mediocre
seasons under his belt. I believe he's been averaging about 5-7 ppg
through his 4 year career. APG are around 3-4 if memory serves.

He's fared somewhat better then teammate/fellow UCI almunus Todd Murphy
who, after unimpressive garbage minutes in the first half of last
season, ceased to appear in Minnesota box scores.

Anyone curious about the whereabouts of other Bovine Alumni like Bob
Thornton, Tom Tolbert, Ben McDonald, and Kevin Magee? I didn't think so.

>-- 
>Neill Tseng (neill@minerva.cis.yale.edu)

Josh Bleier, Humble GradServant, Georgia Tech|"Confusion will be my epitaph,
Hi Tech: joshuab@cc.gatech.edu               | As I crawl a cracked
Lo Tech: (404) 853-9381                      |    and broken path..."
No Tech: Rm 117A, across from Eiselt's office|  - Lake and Sinfield


Josh Bleier, Humble GradServant, Georgia Tech|"Confusion will be my epitaph,
Hi Tech: joshuab@cc.gatech.edu               | As I crawl a cracked
Lo Tech: (404) 853-9381                      |    and broken path..."
No Tech: Rm 117A, across from Eiselt's office|  - Lake and Sinfield
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:45:28 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (Jon Blixt)
Organization: People fed up with politicians, not politics

In article <1992Oct4.024555.2648@techbook.com} jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
}In article <1992Sep30.171640.29135@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu} u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
}Worthy, or Divac.  Magic may get the best out of the other Lakers, but
}so what?  This is an old team, and all they need is one injury to a key
}player (Magic, Worthy, Perkins, Divac, Threatt) to put them out of it.  
}

My list of totally key players for the Lakers would be Magic and Worthy.  
Sure, if one of them goes down.  The team MAY go down.  What would the 
Bulls be without Jordan or Pippen, Knicks without Ewing, Jazz without
Stockton or Malone, Blazers without Drexler or Kersey, or the Suns
without Barkley or KJ?  Please don't use one key injury to one of the
best players and they're goners cause that's true for ANY team.  Ask
the Cavaliers!

-Jon

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:48:32 GMT

In article <97308@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>
>I remember a couple of years ago Lakers  ( Riley ) were fined by NBA
>for sitting out 2 starters, Magic and Worthy during the last ( unimportant)
>game of the season. Those game when Magic will not play, it will be considered
>sitting out a starter. How does that goes with NBA policy?

Well, Riley was fined because he rested them when they were just tired
and not injured.  Magic's condition can be called along the terms of a season
long injury, and more importantly, fans know it.  That last game was against
Portland I think, a match up between the two top teams in the Pacific and
the fans paid to see the stars.  Imagine how pissed you would be if you
went to a game and saw two important stars sitting out without being in a
cast of some sort...
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Date: 5 Oct 1992 09:52:37 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Oct5.141204.20547@cs.yale.edu> tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU (Neill Tseng) writes:
|
|I don't think anyone believes that.  Even when he was in his prime, it was
|clear that all the positive media  attention focused on Olajuwon, and Sampson
|received all the negative publicity.  Like I said, no matter what his numbers,
|no one regarded him as one of the top two or three centers in the game.  While
|he played, people considered Olajuwon, Parish, and Abdul-Jabbar the top 
|centers.  And I have a hard time believing he would have been productive even

Actually, I think you have to remove one of these guys and include
Moses Malone in this group.  He was schooling the three listed guys
pretty consistently.  Is Moses still playing?  Millwaukee fans?

Rick
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Sidney Wicks
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:31:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Congradulations Lord Netherword & Michael Tamada -- U are right.
	Sidney Wicks played for 8 years or more, and his scoring average
	declined every year he played in the NBA.  Not your usual NBA
	basketball knowledge... :)

	Jazzy J
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From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Selfish
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1992Oct6.184452.20806
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI


|> 
|> 	This thing I think everyone has to realize is that Magic has not
|> 	been diagnosed w/ AIDS as of yet.  He has the HIV virus, which means
|> 	the deadly AIDS virus has not yet developed.  While the chances are
|> 	that Magic may develop the disease, he hasn't yet.  Meanwhile,
|> 	research is currently searching for a cure.  Who knows, they may find
|> 	a vaccine yet.  
|> 
|> 	Besides, the arguement has been brought up many times that perhaps
|> 	Magic isn't the only person in the NBA w/ HIV/AIDS.  Magic wasn't
|> 	the only one who used to live that lifestyle..
|> 
|> 	Jazzy J

I think you're a bit mixed up here. From what I understand, AIDS is a medical
condition caused by the HIV virus - when your immune system gets knocked out. 
Any HIV positive person can transmit the virus - which almost always will 
develop into full blown AIDS in a few years. So there is certainly a risk that 
Magic could infect someone. If however the doctors say it is a negligible risk 
then I don't see why Magic shouldn't play.

Raghu
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:50:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct5.172633.15023@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
> ...[]...Side note trivia: who's the guy who's increased his scoring average
>every year (except for last I think).
>

this would have been kevin mchale for awhile, but then he got derailed and
i think it was earlier than last year, so its not him.

ppg really doesnt do it.  FG% might be interesting....

- nate
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Rumor (Here we go again!)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:04:14 GMT

In article <16878E0C5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
 
>The deal the Pistons want is Rodman and a 1st rnd pick in '93.
 
What am I saying? I mean Tisdale & a 1st rnd pick for Rodman, of course. :)
Sorry 'bout that!
 
--Eric
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From: mcmullen@mindvox.phantom.com (John F. McMullen)
Subject: Re: Knicks and Future Draft Pick's
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:03:54 GMT

It wasn't Mustaf & Cheeks -- it was Mustaf and Trent Tucker (who
got hurt, cut and, much later, wound up with San Antonio). Cheeks went yo
(that's "to") Philadelphia for Tim McCormick, whose knees made useless.
I don't know whether McCormick is still on the roster (or Donaldson, for
that matter).
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:59:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvnwqu.3t4
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>>
>>	Trivia -- can someone name (without looking) the a player who played
>>	more than 8 years, and his scoring averaged dropped every year from
>>	his rookie season?

>Good question.  Unfortunately, I have no clue.  I would guess Bill Cartwright,
>since his rookie year was best and ever since, everything has come spiralling
>down.  Side note trivia: who's the guy who's increased his scoring average
>every year (except for last I think).
	
	Nope.  Not Big Bill.  While his rookie season was his best, he did
	have fluctuating numbers for the next few years before he broke
	his foot.  Since then, his numbers have been going down.  U're going
	to have to go back further in NBA history to get the answer.

	Side note trivia answer:  Derek Harper.  He was the 1st player in
	NBA history to increase his ppg in 8 consecutive seasons.  Unfortunately
	though, this season was the 1st in which it went down.

	Jazzy J
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From: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: MIGHTY NUGGETS sign Bryant Stith
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Nuggets  Stith  signed  5years  $6.5M
Reply-To: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:13:43 GMT



The MIGHTY NUGGETS have signed their second of three draft picks,
guard Bryant Stith, the 13th pick from Virginia, for 5years at
$6.5M.  He becomes the second draft pick signed (Robert Werdann
being the other) so far; 5th pick overall LaPhonso Ellis said
yesterday that he expects to be signed within a week (and he worked
out with the club yesterday).  All of the money is guaranteed, and
Stith has the option to get out of the deal after four years.

Stith had made it clear that he wanted to be signed and in training
camp on time, citing Mark Macon and Chris Jackson as examples of how
rookies can suffer from missing training camp time.  And since Stith
will be competing for minutes with the likes of Reggie Williams and
Todd (the Godd) Lichti, he felt it was imperative to be in camp and
not have a 'give-away' year.  Yesterday in workouts at the DU
Fieldhouse, Stith played well, looking good on the offensive end
(he is Virginia's all-time leading scorer).  He'll need to get better
(more physical) defensively, but he's got the body for that.

As for Ellis, he's expected to be signed shortly.  The big hangup is
that GM Bernie Bickerstaff refuses to pay him more than Dikembe 
Mutombo makes, while Ellis' agent Bob Woolf wants more (citing the
standard 'it is next year, inflation' bullshit).  Ellis has shown
good faith by moving his family to Denver; he'll be signed before
9 October.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:46:29 GMT

In article <594@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>In article <1afqf9INNhn@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>>
>>Exactly what stigma is that? The one that says people who have HIV, but
>>not AIDS, in their physical prime, can't play sports? I've never heard
>>that particular stigma about HIV-infected people.
>
>The stigma that says people who've contracted the HIV virus 
>cannot do all the things that a normal, healthy person can do.

And there is also the stigma that says people who've diabets
cannot do all the things that a normal, healthy person can do.

Come on, we should all know AIDS and HIV-infection are servious business.
If you look from this aspect, Magic's un-retirement gives a countering
impression. Magic can prove that a HIV-infected can live as much as a
"normal" person by making appearances in NBA games during the season to
promte AIDS awareness; "playing" in those games simply won't cut it.
If this is the important factor in Magic's decision to un-retire, I consider
him to be stupidly naive.

Personally, I am more convinced that his ego, love to basketball, and money
play more important factors and I certainly respect such a decision.

Yung-Kao Hsu