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From: lsmichae@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Profibuch (was Julian Reschke involved...)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:40:20 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui00m.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:

>For the price of the Profibuch (80.-DM ~ $50 per 1200+ pages) you should
>be still 'liquid' (in money terms) enough to also buy a German dictionary.
Isn't that a *big* ignorant? Just imagine, you want to spend 50 bucks for a
book in e.g. chinese or russian, can't speak the language and say that's
cheap? You even would by a even more expensive dictionary and a grammar
book to learn the language from an instant?

Well, if you would do so, that's your problem, but it won't help our
english speaking friends.

English is established as the international language for scientific and
computer science books, that's because english is a language that is
spoken world wide. And that's why computer books are usually written in
english.

>This way you'll learn some German, which will be for your future
>career probably even more profitable than knowing the VDI calls. (har)
I would doubt that. You judge again without evidence.

>(I had to read english manuals from the tenderest age, there was nothing
>else available (sob))
That's right, maybe because the computer science language *is* indeed
english.

Regards,
                                                                Larry

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: How to format 720k MFM (Mac disks) under apple file exchange?
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:54:06 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

	Can someone tell me the trick to format 720k MFM disks under Apple 
File exchange? Thanks.

Later.......

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Julian Reschke involved with MultiTOS d
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:19:42 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET International News Gateway in New Zealand

gfarrell@cs.sfu.ca (Gordon James Farrell) writes:

> In article <memo.883178@cix.compulink.co.uk> apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk writ
> >
> [...]
> >   ...  There are a lot of English speaking countries; Britain
> >and the States. i would think that there would be sufficient demand to make
> >it worth somebodies while.
> 
> And what of Canada? (You know, that big, pink blob just north of the U.S.).
> Sheesh, we're used to being forgotten by Americans, but the British, too?
 
 What about Australia and New Zealand, a few other pink blobs in the
 south Pacific?
> 
> >
> >    Adam.
> 
> Gordon
> -- 
> _____________________________________________________________________________
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> 			|	gordonf@sfu.ca     | it's a wonder your bums
> Simon Fraser University |			   | don't fall off."



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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:26:12 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> What is the deal with those 66mHz claims anywho?  I've heard that it's not
> altogether a true statement -- one of those claims that _should_ be follow
> a little asterisk for disclaimer.   Anyone?
> 

There is now 100Mhz capability.  Not that anyone cares, right!? 8-)


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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 01:05:03 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 <1993Jan20.122015.25870@email.tuwien.ac.at>
  <1jkfpeINNr5j@golem.wcc.govt.nz>


One thing that everyone seems to be missing here is that there ALREADY
are two separate Atari newsgroups...
 
comp.atari.tech is where all the "nitty gritty", "informative" Atari
discussions take place.. its mandate specifically precludes any kind of
"flame wars"...
 
If you don't want to read discussions about how Atari computers compare
with other brands of computers, then don't read the "general" newsgroup..
 
Otherwise, it's "Open Season" for anything and everything...

BobR
From: annmarie.scott@p2.f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (AnnMarie Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: I *LIKE* Malibu
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:50:42 GMT

Original to: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu
On <18.01.00>, a small alien, dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (3:713/602), bleeped :

 d> We're doing the best we can to make it easy for you to skip the
 d> messages you don't like.  We can't create an advocacy newsgroup over
 d> night, and this is the next best thing.  Read your newsreader's manual
 d> for information on how to construct a "kill file" that will
 d> automagically mark as read any messages with "ADVOCACY" in the subject
 d> line.

Unfortunately, Vincent, like myself, is a FidoNet person, so we don't use rn
or anything like that which has a kill file as such. We read our mail at
home from the comfort of GEM and in conjunction with a BBS. It can be done,
but is rather pointless because regardless of whether we had a kill file or
not, we still have to pay money (in terms of phonebills and subscription to
Internet to
FidoNet gateways) to read all your wonderful postings, whether we want to or
not.

There is no method of excluding messages from a newsgroup we receive via the
gateway, so we have no choice but to either receive all or none of the
postings. Not that anyone ever worries about this when they set up these
'ADVOCACY' style thing, because you're got to cater to the majority of
users.

You're one of the lucky ones, Dave, with access to a commodity that most of
us can only dream about... free mail...ftp...kill files...

 d> Dave Baggett

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From: elendir@inf.enst.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 030 sync cycles (...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:29:19 GMT

Stig Vidar Hovland writes

] Mr. Joern Moe has probably circuit diagrams for the Falcon and in that case
] he should know what he is talking aboat. With additional hardware, it is  
possible
] to terminate an access to 16 bit memory with STERM.

 Of course with additionnal hardware you can do everything. But I remember  
something in the developer documentation (v 0.3, July  92) speaking of wait  
states...
 Anyhow, a 32 bit synchronous access in 4 cycles has 2 wait states in it. And  
that, you cannot discuss it :-)

--

 In memoria di mori di Furiani.
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:33:28 +1200

In <1993Jan19.223300.11966@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, kint@duterl.et.tudelft.nl writes:

>So let's get serious, or I might well return to fido again. I hoped that
>the quality of articles would be better here....

The quality of messages here are far more informative, in fact some are
 taken from here & reposted into fido by people!
The quality of this network leaves fido for dead... if you see someone
 talking about some program here, you can get them to mail it to you with
 no problems (I've received 700K files by email before!).. you can't
 do that on fidonet.
(BTW: I'm only on 2400bps too, paying for my access)

and lastely, there are a lot of the 'big names' in the atari comunity here,
 even the person writing MultiTOS for the Falcon... you don't see that on 
 FIDO.

Stick around, this flame war is only a temporary thing that started probably
 because atari is pissing around getting the Falcon out. It will die out soon.

If you have any problems, you can usually get an answer from this great
 bunch of people in a day or 2... you can't beat that for service!

 Craig.

 
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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STOS_3D_Manual?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:26:45 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <e90-frt.1.728047663@tekn.hj.se>, e90-frt@tekn.hj.se (TOMAS FRIDN) writes:
>I'm looking for manual to STOS 3D.
>
>Both a manual for the creator and a list on
>all commands.

If you look in the box, there is a manual in there!




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re:  FAST Technologies... Problems
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:22:54 GMT

In article 27665@nosc.mil, healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.012218.23803@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jeffmay@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff A May II) writes:
>>(dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>
>>> {remarks about FAST Technologies deleted}
>>
>>Well, I have had a similar problem with FAST Technologies.
>>On November 25 I ordered a Tiny Turbo '030 from FAST
>>Technologies.  When I asked how long it would be before I
>>would receive it, I was told about 10 days.  Allowing extra
>>time due to the holidays, I waited until the end of December to
>>call back.  I was then told that they were "printing the manuals,"
>>and that I should get it by the second week of January at the 
>>latest.  I just called back on January 16, and was told that
>>it would be another week.  A couple of days later, I got my credit
>>card statement which indicated that I had been charged for the
>>Tiny Turbo on December 10, even though I was told that I would
>>not be billed until the product was shipped.  I haven't had a chance
>>to call again yet, but obviously I am very unhappy with the service
>>of FAST Technologies, and will probably never purchase anything else 
>>from them.
>>					--Jeff
>>jeffmay@acs.ohio-state.edu
>>
>
>Isn`t it illegal to bang a credit card for a product that is not being
>shipped?
>
>Mike Healy
>

Nope, as long as the product is shipped within 30 days (that might be 60 days)
of charging the card.  Of course, most business do have the policy of not
charging a card until the order is shipped but let's face it, errors happen.

BTW, I did relay Jeff's complaint on to Jim Allen at Fast Technology who
said he would contact Jeff personally and try to resolve it.
---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: James Hague and clouded minds
Date: 20 Jan 93 19:28:54 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 07253253@cc4.crl.aecl.ca, csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca () writes:
>
>Not power hungry; just not stupid. Please explaing WHY
>someone should buy an SX system today. I would LOVE
>to hear why this person would not have a clouded mind.
>It is easy to toss out cute comments on the net that
>seem philosophical and have a point. Please back up
>your statement on clouded minds. This should be
>fascinating!

Hey, I've finally made it into a subject line!  Ahhh...my life 
is complete.

Of _course_ no one should buy am SX system today--heck the difference 
between an 8088 and 386DX system is negligible these days, so why not 
go with the faster one?  Saving a few pennies (literally) by buying 
an SX is pointless.

But this wasn't what my cute comment was about.  You stated that the 
386sx was a worthless processor without any merits whatsoever.  IMO 
that's completely off base.  The 68000 in the ST is still very viable
for many people.  Ditto for a 386sx based PC.  I have done serious
software development on one, played popular games like Wolfenstein
3-D and Civilization, done heavy duty word processing, managed
databases, etc, on a 386sx with no speed problems at all.  In fact, 
for most things I do I don't even need this much processor.  I _don't_
run Windows or OS/2, though, and I don't use any of those monster
Windows word processors/DTP packages.  For such things I admit that
a 386sx is not very suitable.  It is debatable, though, whether this
is simply because the processor is underpowered or the software in
question was poorly designed.

That was my point, that all the current "gotta have speed, speed,
speed" thinking has clouded people's minds about what speed really
is.  Lots of people think you need a 486 just to do word processing.
[I'm no dummy about 80x86 processors either.  Want to talk about
instruction timings?  Assembly level optimization?  I'm game.]

The one thing I _do_ have a complaint about is the speed with which
processors are dumped by the market and considered obsolete.  As late
as mid-1992 there were still lots of companies selling 386sx based
systems.  And a lot of people bought them.  Telling these people that
they now have to upgrade, a year later, is pretty rotten IMO.  Even
if a new motherboard only costs $200.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: komives@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Robert Komives)
Subject: EPSF files and Pagestream --problems
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:47:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I just confirmed a problem that I thought I had. I can't get EPSF files
made with Pagestream 2.2 to import and print in Pagestream the way I could
with 2.1.
	I have an old template that has an EPSF file embedded in it made with
	2.1. It prints fine in 2.2. That old EPSF file also imports and prints
	correctly in new documents.

	New EPSF files appear to import correctly but when I print I get nothing	.

	Both the EPSF files made with 2.2 and with 2.1 print when I just send
	them to my postscript printer from the file selector.

	I have tried puttin "EPS" in the special text box in the printer
	config. menu. I have also left it out. In both cases I get the same
	null result.

	Any ideas? E-mail (or post if you think this is of general interest).
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex (ADVOCACY)
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:50:06 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

>>>People who own a computer in a
>>>thriving, vital market have better things to do with their computers than
>>>to engage in flamewars.. 

Then he changes his mind to...

>People who  *only* own a computer in a
>thriving, vital market have better things to do with their computers than
>to engage in flamewars.. 


ie.
	If you only own a PC, you have better things to do than engage in
	flamewars, BUT if you own an Atari, engaging in flamewars is better
	than using your PC.

You work it out.  That's EXACTLY what his statements mean.

Of course, it's not what he meant - he just loves flaming.  Roll on c.s.a.a!

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: Recommended Falcon monitor?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:23:40 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

In article <1993Jan27.193333.19740@bnr.ca>, smiller@bcarh838.bnr.ca (Scott Miller) writes:
|> In article <C1IuwA.3nJ@news.rich.bnr.ca>, grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier) writes:
|> 
|> |> I would not recommend a multi-sync. Just get a VGA monitor. Once you
|> |> start using the higher resolutions you rarely go back to any ST
|> |> resolution. On my TT, the only time I switch to an ST resolution is 
|> |> to run CAD-3D V2.0. Otherwise I stay in TT medium resolution. 
|> 
|> But if you get a multisync, you can use it on your Falcon030, Falcon040?,
|> PC, Mac, or whatever you get next time.  If it syncs down to 15 kHz
|> you can even use it with your ST.   (But then, next time, you'll probably
|> want 1280x960)
|> 

Well I do not have any specs on a falcon 040 so I do not know if it
going to do a higher resolution than 640x480. If it does then a super-vga
monitor would be in order. However there are monitors that are multi-sync
that do not go down to ST-low/medium (15khz), but do cover VGA, XGA, and SVGA,
these cost around $150 -> $200 less than full-fledged multi-syncs.

I say look to the future. More resolution is GOOD. Besides clone owners
are dumping colour VGA monitors for around $100, making them the best deal.

You know all that upgradability does cost and with the glut of VGA monitors
on the used market, people basically have to give them away. Such a pity,
pay $400 -> $500 for a VGA monitor, and two years later its almost worthless,
to a clone owner that is. :)


Brian, WS1S (ST/TT User/Developer)
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
From: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030 once again (FAQ?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:08:12 GMT
	<1993Jan20.194026.25748@westminster.ac.uk>
	<H.6a78NGVZTA2@fredrik.atari.no> <1jooboINN28i@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 22 Jan 93 12:12:40 GMT, s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT) said:
	>> NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

	>> jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:

>>These days the atari and amiga people are arguing which computer have 
>>the fastest cpu (Falcon 030 versus A1200). The 68030 have better performance 
>>than a 68020 when placed in an equal arcitecture. Additionaly the A1200 runs
>>at 14.4 Mhz, wheras the F030 runs at 16Mhz (i realy think its 16.01xxxMhz)
>>giving it a extra 10% over the A1200. Summing it all up, my bet is that
>>this is a dead race!

> Shouldn't that be 16Mhz - 25% ?
No, the fact that the 030 is running at 16Mhz compared to the 020's 14.4
will give the 030 a 10% improvement. The fact that the 030 is on a 16
bit bus and the 020 a 32 might give a 25% improvement to the 020. He was 
talking (quite obviously, actually) about the effect of the clock speed
isolated from any other issues.


> Also the Falcon doesn't have the custom graphics chips that the 1200 has,
> so its going to be slower still. Remember the ST 68000 was faster than the
> the 68000 used in the Amiga - yet most Amiga games ran faster than their ST
> counterparts - because everything had to be done by the CPU in the ST.

I don't buy that. My friend used to have a 1040ST. He sold it and bought an
A500 about 12 months ago because the Amiga had more games available for it
(he only used both machines for games). He's now bought an A1200. One of the
first things he noticed about the A500 was that it ran equivalent games slower
than the ST. For the record, he had about 3 (maybe 4) meg of ram in the A500,
configured (as chip or fast ram)  in what he'd been told was the optimum 
configuration for extra speed.

Kev