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From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: American engines oversized,underpowered ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:05:06 GMT
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
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Lon Stowell writes:

>   a 400 mile cruise across Nebraska.  Heaven help you should try to
>   go from Denver to Grand Junction Colorado in a mouse-powered car.

After having done a cross country trip in my much-vaunted Civic, I can
assure you that I won't do it again unless I have an adequately powered,
roomy, and comfortable "Yank Tank."

>    It seems the British are equally arrogant as the Americans.
>    They never leave their hometown, but feel they are supremely
>    qualified to dictate preferences for areas they have never even
>    conceived...much less experienced.

Amen!


- Peter

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From: adrian@mti.mti.com (Adrian McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sales tax on cars
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:32:30 GMT
Organization: Micro Technology, Inc., Anaheim, CA

In article <2400036@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com> johne@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes:
>< While purchasing a new car I noticed that one has to pay state
>< sales tax only on the difference between the new car price and the
>< trade-in price.
>----------
>This is known as the "Auto Dealers Relief Act". Think you can get a better
>deal by selling your trade-in yourself? Think again sucker.

Is the "Auto Dealers Relief Act" state or federal legislation?  Several
dealers told me that this is not allowed in California; you must pay sales
tax on the purchase price.  Of course, maybe they lied, pocketed the few
extra bucks, and fudged the paperwork.

Aid.  (adrian@lexcel.com)
From: sh50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sam Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW Z1
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:46:34 GMT
	<1992Apr15.175534.6773@tellab5.tellabs.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,

The BMW Z1 is not a racing car ! 
It carries a standard 325i engine but has a modifies 3 series chassis
and a totally different body. I think they were introduced 4 yrs ago and
initially BMW only planned to build about 2000. However, as popularity
grew, I think they might have ended up building a lot more. Production
of the Z1 stoped about 1 or 2 yrs ago. A very close friend of mine was
going to buy one last year but they are now collectors items and to find
one in good shape for a reasonable price is very hard. 
 Indeed, for those people who haven't seen one, they are missing out
since it is a remarkable piece of engineering. The car is a 2 seater
convertible and the one thing that made it stick out the most was the
fact that the doors open by  sliding down into the bodyshell. It was
dubbed the only car that you could safely drive with the doors 'open'. 
 The good news is that BMW have been rumoured to be producing a cheaper
version of the Z1,  since when it was introduced, it was fairly
expensive (UK price 35,000 pounds) (US approx $60,000).
 I hope that this new car will make it over to the US.

-Sam
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: Re: Help! My cars are getting eaten!
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 20:28:23 GMT

sher@BBN.COM (Lawrence D. Sher) writes:
> I have just discovered that both of my cars have severe damage in the
> engine compartment from gnawing animals.  The mechanic tells
> me that the droppings suggest something larger than mice.

Sounds like someone's not feeding your mechanic enough!  :-)

There are tents that you can purchase for automobiles now.  Check any
edition of AutoWeek.  They are collapsable portable garages that cover
the vehicles completely- I believe underneath, as well.  Would this do
the trick?


- Peter
From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RE: Mario, Mario, ..... Danny, Danny .....
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:08:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <14APR199220495510@zeus.tamu.edu>, pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes...
>Howdy!
>	A lot of hollerin' about Mario's poke on Cheever.  What <from a
>guy who forgot to SUBTRACT an hour from EDT - rats!> was the big
>difference between what Mario did and what Danny did to Al Unser?
>	Inquiring minds want to know ....
> 
>Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
>************************ standard disclaimer applies ************************

Oh, you aggies (just kidding). Mario did it at the beginning of the race
where one would have no idea as to whether one was faster than who one
was passing. Danny did it at the end of the race fully cognizant of the
fact that he was faster than Al Unser Jr. In both cases the person attempting
the pass was in the wrong, only one was a lot more severe than the other.
Guess which one. Anyways, the glory of victory should of gone to Rahal -
he and Emmo were the only ones to avoid such nonsensical accidents. Both
are true racing gentlemen.

George.
From: rdg@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Gardner)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:06:24 GMT
Subject: Re: F1 Spain live on ESPN
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport


> PS: Bob Varsha was missing from ESPN coverage this weekend.  Where was
> he? David Hobbs and Victor someone sounded as though they were in a studio
> and not at the track at all.  

They must have been adding the commentary after the race was over, since
David Hobbs knew that Rahal won in Phoenix. The Phoenix race was broadcast
live and Paul Page (what a twit!) announced who won in Brazil, before
most of his audience could possibly have seen that race. At least he could
have given a spoiler warning...

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell and rev-limiter
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:57:27 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

How much difference could the switching off of the rev-limiter make? Correct me
if I'm wrong,but Mansell did not set fastest lap after his pit stop,unlike
Patrese who did so,also breaking Berger's track record of 1990.The rev-limiter 
kicks in after the max horsepower rpm has been reached,to protect the engine
from over-revving and blowing up.I don't think that taking the rev-limiter off
can make any noticeable difference.Also,the difference between Mansell and
Patrese remained at 5-7secs after both their pit stops were completed,and in
later stages of the race Mansell opened a gap of 16 secs,obviously after
Ricardo saw no use in chasing after Nigel and risking an equipment
failure,especially with Schumacher over 1 minute behind him.

Alex Tsourinakis
Vassar College
From: mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:56:40 GMT

rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers) writes:


>There are lots of reasons I could give for enjoying F1 just as it is, but
>suffice it to say that there are many of us who do.  I say, leave it
>alone and if people want to watch full-course yellows, they can watch a
>different brand of racing.  Fortunately, it sounds as if the full-course
>yellow has virtually no support in the F1 community, so we F1 fans should
>have little to worry about.

During the Brazil GP coverage, the ESPN commentators were saying that FOCA
were considering full-course yellows.

There's only one thing that will stop me from watching Formula One Racing...

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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: NASCAR notes
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:20:47 CDT



Two things I thought were worth noting.

These are from the April 8th edition of Checkered Flag Racing News, in the
Benny Phillips' Notebook section:

- Sources say Jeff Gordon, Ford's promising Grand National racer, is negotiating
with Coca-Cola for a Winston Cup sponsorship.

- Dick Trickle's contract with the Stavola Brothers runs out June 1, according
to sources. Trickle is waiting to see if they will renew the contract. If they 
don't, he's hoping to return to the Butch Mock team, which has been idle since
Trickle left last month.

---Dean
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Long Beach IndyCar comments
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabot.1992Apr15.194200.3956
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <b5wjx#d@lynx.unm.edu> trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>I think the biggest drag was the Mario/Cheever tangle in the first lap.  I
>haven't had the time to review my tape 100 times, but it looked to me like
>it was more mario's mistake than ed's (?)  I eagerly await your collective
>opinions.

it was quite festive; first we see Mario blaming it on Cheever's swerve,
and then we see the video replay that shows that Cheever was driving
straight as an arrow, and that Mario just plain hit him.

now i'm not saying that Mario was lying, mind you; i bet that he truly
believes himself to be correct.  it's just that we don't share universes
with the man.

cheers,
  richard
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From: svissa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sirish Vissa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:28:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <9204060905.AA01774@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>HA!!!  Williams stuffed the rest out of sight AGAIN.
>If Mansell doesnt win the title this season then he wants his butt kicked.
>Mclaren were in all sorts of trouble with this new machine and hopefully
>it wont be as quick as the williams. 
>I HATE SENNA!!  What a prat taking nigel off on saturday, he needs a ban
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>from F1 to cool him off.
>Just my 0.02
>Alan

Whoa,
   How about all of us taking a minute to calm down here.  

   Malaren is having problems with the new car because they were 
 
  forced to bring it out, before they were ready.  You can bet that 

 by the end of the season, they will be as fast if not faster than the

 Williams.  As for Senna taking Mansell off, this is racing, and 
  
  accidents do happen.  
           
                       Sirish
BTW I am not an avid Mclaren or Senna fan, I am simply stating the facts.
                                      
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: F1 rankings wanted
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.013819.25370@leland.Stanford.EDU> franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc) writes:
>Anyone kind enough to post the F1 rankings after Brazil GP?
>
>Thanks,
>	Francois

Brazil:			Driver Championship:	Constructor Championship:

Mansell		10	Mansell		30	Williams Renault	48
Patrese		6	Patrese		18	Benetton Ford		11
Schumacher	4	Schumacher	11	McLaren Honda		9
Alesi		3	Berger		5	Ferrari			5
Capelli		2	Senna		4	Lotus Ford		2
Alboreto	1	Alesi		3	Tyrrell Ilmor		2
Morbidelli	0	Capelli		2	Footwork Mugen		1
Lehto		0	De Cesaris	2
Katayama	0	Alboreto	1
Hakkinen	0	Hakkenin	1
			Herbert		1

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Kenny Bernstein and NHRA stuff (was: something else)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:59:42 GMT

wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

>I'm not a really serious fan of NHRA, but I like to watch it now and then,
>and just marvel at the mind-boggling power.  I caught the tail end of ESPN's
>broadcast of the Gatornationals -- apparently I missed Kenny Bernstein's
>run at 301.  They've finally done it!  If anyone  knows if that show will
>be rerun, please post the date and time.  That would be worth keeping on
>tape!  300 miles per hour, in less than 5 seconds.  I cannot wrap my mind
>around the concept.

Unfortunately, it's already been shown.  Maybe they'll run it again.
It's worth mentioning that at that same meet, Eddie Hill set a new
1/4-mile time record with a 4.80 ET (at 297 mph, I believe).
From: ayrjola@hut.fi (Ari Yrj|l{)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 GP - Brazil. Result - comments
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:10:06 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Apr6.081117.28079@daimi.aau.dk> usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard) writes:

> FINALLY: Ferrari got their act together, showing a good and competetive
> performance over the weekend (not compared with Williams). They seem to
> have found some consistency, with both cars finishing the race. Give them

Ferrari used in Brazil last year's engine, same model what Dallara is
using. It seems to be more reliable than their new one.


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From: jbp@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:12:29 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <9204060905.AA01774@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>HA!!!  Williams stuffed the rest out of sight AGAIN.

Yes indeed.  Even as a Williams fan it was a bit boring.  Forrest Bond
has the most intriguing solution: "...active suspension should be banned
from F1 effective immediately."   Otherwise Williams will score 256
points in the 1992 Constructors Championship....... When was the last
time a 2 car team did this in F1 for the first 3 races of a season?
Talk about some domination/intimidation!!  At this rate, it will all
be over for the Constructors and Drivers Championships by Spa.  Do you
think Frank will put Little Al in for a drive or two after that?
-- 
John Posthill  jbp@rti.rti.org
From: darshan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Darshan V. Bhatia)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams FW15
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:37:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

At this stage I would think it would be wise for Frank Williams to introduce his
latest technological wonders in Patrese's car, one by one.  This would allow
him to test them in a real race without risking Mansell's presently reliable
finishes.  In any case, the williams FW14 is way ahead of the competition in    both performance and reliability.

Of course, there would be team orders for Patrese to give way to Mansell at
the finish line even if he (patrese) were leading.

-darshan
From: iqj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Where have you gone John Berton???
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:12:46 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Someone yesterday or the day before lamented the absence of John Berton
and his wonderful F1 race reports from this group.  I would like to 
second that sentiment and encourage John (if you're still out there) to
once more grace the group with his superb analyses.  A report appeared
for the S. African season opener but since then no joy.  Does anyone
wish to join me in raising a chorus of voices in supplication?
Chris Finlayson, Dept. of Science & Technology Studies, Cornell
From: johnmac@reg.triumf.ca (JOHNMAC*DOUGALL TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 HP
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:17:00 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9APR199215542928@utarlg.uta.edu>, b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu 
(George M. Smiley) writes...
>In article <1992Apr9.171953.844@rti.rti.org>, jbp@rti.rti.org writes...
>>In article <1APR199221005548@utarlg.uta.edu> George M. Smiley writes:
>> 
>>>Last years Yamaha ox99 made 700 bhp at 12,000 rpm.
>> 
>>Hmmm....that looks like about 0.2 hp per cc.  Let's compare with a
>>stock Yamaha kart motor which has about 20 hp and 100cc displacement
>>-- also 0.2 hp per cc!  But, the kart motor will rev to 14,000+ rpm
>>and its cheaper...... so there!     :-)
>>-- 
>>John Posthill  jbp@rti.rti.org
> 
>Okay, let us compare that to Yamaha's 500cc motorcycling GP motor.
>It makes 170 bhp at 13,500 rpm - that would be .34 bhp per cc. It is
>not as cheap as the karting motor, yet it is not as expensive as the
>F1 motor, so there there :-).
>Too bad they cannot maintain those kind of numbers at 3500cc, that would
>come in at 1190 bhp at ????? rpm, and we would back to the prime turbo
>era with 5-valves per cylinder Yamaha on top.
> 
> 
>George.

The Yamaha 500cc GP motor is a two stroke so comparison with a four stroke is
not appropriate.  Now if they could build a three and half litre two stroke
and somehow fit it all (the tuned exhaust pipes that is) into a F1 chassis...

-john.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous ramblings....
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:16:39 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.005102.545@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>,
tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:
|>
|>Does anybody know if the new Fondmetal car is using
|>the Cosworth DFR or if they are using the HB motor? If they are only using
|>the lowly DFR, then their new car has got to be one of the best of the midfield
|>runners. Gabrielle Tarquini out-qualified the the two Jordan cars, with their
|>Yamaha V-12's, the Footwork's, with their Mugen-Honda V-10, and anyone that
|>is driving a Lamborghini-powered car....

Fondmetal are using the Ford/Cosworth HB.  The 1992 F1 season marks the end
of an era as this year there are no teams using the Cosworth DFR.

|>Has anyone heard how Alessandro Nannini
|>has been of late? I know that he drove to a sixth place finish in the first
|>round of the Italian Sports Car Championship (is that the right name?), while
|>setting fast lap...after having tangled with his own teammate, Nicola Larini.
|>Kinda scary to think how Benetton would be doing with two chargers like Nannini
|>and Schumacher doing the driving!!!!

That's the latest news I've heard about Nannini.  The report I saw said that
his doctors expect him to get back 60% or so of function in his reattached arm.
He obviously has the necessary strength to drive sports cars, but F1 is still
problematical.  It seems to me that it might still be a future possibility if
he could get a ride with a team that uses semi-automatic gearboxes.

--PSW
From: ken@wyse.wyse.com (Ken Drottar x2582 dept303)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams Reactive Suspension (power requirments)
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:45:22 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <34958@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes:
>
>Another question, how big a reservoir would be required to store pressure,
>not to do work but to retain pressurization of the system at a given level?
>...There would be no need to do
>work by pumping hydraulic pressure up except when the loadings and/or spring
>rates increased significantly (eg, when lateral loadings occur during turn-in).
>
	Gee! I like this. We know that the Renault engine uses bottled
	air to run their valvetrain. Why not use the same technology on
	a larger scale for the chassis suspension? After all, it doesn't
	have to function much more than two hours or so and the car helps
	out by being significantly lighter towards the end of the race. 

-- 
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Systems Division  					Phone: (408)473-2582
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From: mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: there I was, there I was, .... in CS, TX (ARCA)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:09:00 GMT
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <45348@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey) writes...
>In article <92104.113828MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
>>>>[Texas] Speedway 
>>>What are the dimensions of this track ?
>>
>>>Before it was rebuilt, the track was a copy of Michigan:
>>>2 miles, moderate trioval banks, less than Daytona corner banking.
>>
>>   If memory serves the banking at Michigan Int'l Speedway is 31 in the
>>   turns, 18 through the tri-oval, and flat down the back stretch. If
> 
>Memory serves neither correctly.  Daytona is 31 in the turns, 18 in the
>tri-oval, 2.5 miles.
> 
>Michigan is 2.0 miles, 18 degrees in the turns.
> 
>Texas is 2.2 miles, 21 degrees in the turns.  Built by the same company at
>the same time, but everything is bigger in Texas.

Indycars ran a 500 mile event covering 250 laps when the track first 
opened.  They didn't call 250 laps a 550 mile race.  The track was 
always described localy at being a 2.0 mile track, and the laps ran for 
a given distance support this.

David