HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: measure 9
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:37:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Measure 9 will by no means be found constitutional.  It might pass, but it  
will be overturned by the courts at the first chance at it.  Knowing this,  
I know many people in Oregon who will be voting for it just to make a  
point of what they believe.  People vote for what THEY believe, not by the  
constitution.  If enough people believe this way, then the measure should  
pass, which I don't see happening.  Just as we can't have a true democracy  
where only the rich have power, we can't have one where only the  
'politically correct' are allowed to vote.

personally, I haven't filled out my ballot yet, but on the knowledge that  
this will be overturned I am tempted to say "Si!"  There, I have fulfilled  
my multicultural quota for the day.

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If you hate me - let me know.  I'd rather know you hate me than have you  
stab me in the back when I turn around and you don't have to fake it to be  
'politically correct' anymore.  Of course, I am a heterosexual white male,  
so it is politically acceptable to hate me.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: wilpetb@yalevm (Peter Wilsnack)
Subject: I don't really know
Organization: Student, Yale University                       Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:46:12 GMT

I don't have anything in particular that I want to say.  I simply had the
urge to post something, so here I am.

I guess that a little bio wouldn't hurt.  I'm a gay, nineteen-year-old
sophomore at Yale University (hailing from North Dakota) and I'm into all
genres of music, movies, theatre, and books.  If you'd like to know more,
send me some e-mail.  I would love to have some (electronic) pen pals.

Until whenever, take care of yourself.  You're a special person.  I may not
know you yet, but I am confident that I speak truthfully.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: hetEro
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:37:20 GMT

Please do us spelling freaks a favor...it's spelled hetErosexual, with
that second "e," not "hetrosexual".  thanks


--
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: GROOVIN' IN THE AFTERNOON
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:35:46 GMT


                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


SEPTEMBER 29, 1992

Greetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festivities, we presented the Friday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers associated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality is natural
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:40:18 GMT


In a previous article, arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) says:

>In article <1992Oct12.183630.5505@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>>In <1992Oct11.202056.28911@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>   Elf,
>>    Although I agree with 99% of what you wrote, one item caught
>>    my attention.
>>
>>>   No animal falls in love.  No animal has political aspirations.  No
>>
>>   Primate studies (specifically orangs, chimps ang gorillas) indicate
>>   that bonds are formed which are described in the literature as bonds
>>   of affection.  These bonds, between non-family (i.e. non blood related) 
>>   individuals are about as close as you can get to 'love' in the human
>>   sense.
>
>Yeah, that and a lot of animals have political aspirations.  They're called
>'Dominance' and 'pecking order' and stuff like that.  ANimals try to get
>up the pecking order, as a rule.
>
>Big Al.  That, and at least three baboons are running for president.
>(Rocky and Bullwinkle in 92!)
>
Sorry....Rocky and bullwinkle are constitutionally ineligible from running
for the presidency/vicepresidency on the same ticket.  They are both from
the same state (Minnesota).

:-)
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: GLAAD bulletins over Internet?
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:52:01 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>Is there any way I can get bulletins from the Gay-Lesbian
>Alliance Against Defamation over Internet? I've heard they send
>the boycott announcements, etc. over EMail. Who do I write to to
>get on the mailing list?

There are a bunch of old GLAAD bulletins in the Queer Resources Directory
in /pub/QRD/qrd/glaad on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu but there is not a mechanism in
place to have the bulletins posted to the Internet in a regular way.

Usually people take it upon themselves to type or scan them in and they 
eventually get promulgated around the net.

-- 
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Q. What's the difference between a conservative and a bigot?
A. A conservative attempts to defend his/her prejudices rationally.
From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: But who Gets to Sue for
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:17:00 GMT


  To: (CROSSPOST 1) ALL             Recvd: NO
Subj: But who Gets to Sue for P      Conf: (35) Alt.Politi
___------------------------------------------------------------------------


DJD>  the subject line sorta says it all....


Of course, my mail reader won't show that whole subject line, so I don't
know what it says....


Would you people PLEASE keep them short????

Thanx,
  Romeo M.

 * OLX 2.2 * Romeo Montague -- Fido's new, legal handle for the 90s!

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: A call for statistics on child abuse
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:30:33 GMT

SILVERI@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Silver Tiger) writes:

>I'm in need of some good strong nation-wide (for the US or Canada, or both)
>stastical evidence that comes to some sort of conclusion about the sexual
>orientation of the abusers.
> 
>What I've got is a bunch of phobes on a local network implying that with most
>cases of sexual abuse against children, the abusers are gay males.
> 
>I would like to smash that myth, and would appreciate any help any of you folk
>can offer.

Please forward me anything you get. I'm asking my fellow members of an
online group for abuse survivors to dig up stuff too. 

Be aware that most of the people doing this consider a man who has molested
boys to be homosexual. The researchers all differ. So does at least one 
*victim* I've talked to. He noted that his uncle had molested his own daughters
as well as my friend. And lost *all* interest in my friend when he hit puberty.
(Yes, I know anecdotal evidence is not proof)

-- 
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FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Helping Queers Remain in Congress
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:13:14 -0400
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: I called the O.C.A...
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:23:02 GMT

In <92285.221012IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

   [... details of stupidity of oca person ...]
>So, what I would like to ask, which such brain power handling the
>phones, how the hell is this legislation so close to being passed?

   One simple answer, although I doubt the OCA would understand.

   "The correlation between intelligence and bigotry is inversely
    proportional."

   No, I'm sure the OCA people wouldn't understand.
From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Homosexuality is natural
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:18:02 GMT


  To: (CROSSPOST 1) ALL             Recvd: NO
Subj: Homosexuality is natural       Conf: (35) Alt.Politi
___------------------------------------------------------------------------

Excellent post.  Many facts and good thoughts.

I'm nit-picking, but when you said "No animal falls in love"....
There are a *few* species that mate for life.  Some bird
does, and a few animals.  Don't know if that's love, but....

As ever, with a preponderance of hard, documented facts,
I remain,
  Romeo M.

 * OLX 2.2 * Romeo Montague -- Fido's new, legal handle for the 90s!

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: I called the O.C.A...
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:27:07 GMT

In article <92285.221012IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>So, what I would like to ask, which such brain power handling the
>phones, how the hell is this legislation so close to being passed?
>What is the *legal* situation in Oregon?  Is Oregon going to discriminate
>against homosexuals in their health care program?  Scary.

I don't think it is close to being passed. The last *scientific*
poll I heard about had the measure losing by about 2-to-1.  We
shouldn't go to sleep, but it's certainly not time to sell your
Oregon condo yet.

But anyway, an organization of any sort is going to find a better
use for its brainpower than answering the phones.
-- 
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solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: I called the O.C.A...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.172707.5965@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <92285.221012IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>
>I don't think it is close to being passed. The last *scientific*
>poll I heard about had the measure losing by about 2-to-1.  We
>shouldn't go to sleep, but it's certainly not time to sell your
>Oregon condo yet.
>
I wouldn't be so positive.  Poll takers call questions like this
embarrassment questions.  People's poll responses in the David Duke
campaign down in LA last year weren't even close to the final numbers
in the race.  When people are alone in the ballot booth, they are free
to vote their unreasoning prejudices and... they do!

Keep sending money if you're out of state, keep working if you're in state.
This is a big one, folks.

        Sandy
--pale--bitter--stout--
From: sej5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Susie Juroff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in the Classroom (HELP)
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:09:29 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

I wanted to further clarify my topic by mentioning that my
focus is on elementary level-middle school level schools.
Information concerning the high school level might be helpful,
too, so by all means, if you have it to say, say it... 

Thanks again...

Susie Juroff
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.discrimination,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Genes, Categorical Hypostatization, and You
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:44:19 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Oct3.165119.18355@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>In fact, I don't think it is so surprising that there could be such
>variation, even given some degree of innate determination.  In another
>posting it was mentioned that it is actually rather common for
>heterosexual men (in *our* culture, now) to respond sexually to boys
>(as measure by this device whose name I forget, but which is basically
>a Dick-Rigidity-Meter.)   

Plethysmograph.  Terrifying what trivial junk lives in my head...

				Kay
-- 
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 22:10:12 EDT
From: <IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject:    I called the O.C.A...

Yes, I call the OCA, (503)-682-0653, and talked with Maury (which
may not be his first name because I dont have my notes here in the
lab :( ).

I started with, "I dont agree with No. 9 and find it intollerable."
Then this gentleman and I talked about various topics and the
phone call ended up with him hanging up the phone on me.

A couple interesting points in the call were, when I asked how many
people have called in support and against No. 9, he couldn't tell me.
Strange.  When I asked how he thought the legislation will do,
he couldn't tell me.  In fact, there wasn't much information that
he could tell me except that homosexuality was immoral.  Blah
blah blah.

So, what I would like to ask, which such brain power handling the
phones, how the hell is this legislation so close to being passed?
What is the *legal* situation in Oregon?  Is Oregon going to discriminate
against homosexuals in their health care program?  Scary.

I also would like to get some information about what organizations
are working against this legislation and where else in our country
such legislation is being considered or where the repeal of
existing pro-homosexual legislation may occur?

Thanks.




James Gray                    "Family values is a cheap way out,
io92142@maine.maine.edu        we all believe in family morals and
University of Maine            values.  I'm got going to put down what
                               your doing and don't put me down for
                               what I'm trying to do."

                               - Toni Rumsey, Freemont Michigan
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: mdpieno@eng.auburn.edu (Mark D. Pieno)
Subject: Info needed on Proposition 9
Reply-To: mdpieno@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:35:04 GMT


	I've been asked to give a talk about proposition nine.  Several groups
here at Auburn are deeply interested in what is going on and want to get involved.
If anyone has ANY information regarding the OCA's activities, please forward it to me.  In particular, I'm  interested in what we can do here to fight this measure, and what hate crimes have already been committed.   When I brought this up at our local Amnesty 
international meeting, they were quick to want to help.  Other groups who had
representatives at the meeting expressed interested as well.

	Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.

Mark
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Info on OREGON and COLORADO and the QRD ni general
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:00:02 GMT
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>Could someone out there please mail me either the exact texts themselves
>or ftp pointers to such text for the upcoming initiatives coming up in 
>Oregon and Colorado?

The Oregon amendment can be found in /pub/QRD/qrd/text/oca-amendment on 
nifty.andrew.cmu.edu. 

The Colorado amendment can be found in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/CO-cfv.amendment 
also on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu.

The Queer Resouces Directory is available by anonymous ftp at 
nifty.andrew.cmu.edu and contains information of interest to the Queer Community

Latest additions include the text of the Democratic and Republican Party 
Platforms, as well as every AIDS TREATMENT NEWS for the 1992 Calendar year.

If yu need any more information, email me at buckmr@rpi.edu or buckmr@rpitsmts


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: buckmr@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: measure 9
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:44:57 GMT

gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding) writes:

>personally, I haven't filled out my ballot yet, but on the knowledge that  
>this will be overturned I am tempted to say "Si!"  There, I have fulfilled  
>my multicultural quota for the day.

Asshole! How are you so SURE that the proposition will be overturned in
court? How do you know the whole thing will be? Don't you think it is rather
obnoxious to play with people's civil rights like that?

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: sej5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Susie)
Subject: Homosexuality in the Classroom (HELP)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:28:55 GMT

     I am collecting information on the broad topic of
"Homosexuality in the Classroom" for a project in my education class.
Sorry to lump it in without mentioning it, but for my purposes
this includes information on bisexuality.  
     I'm exploring areas such as media dealing with the
subject, parental reaction, closeted (or out) educators,
closeted (or out) students, etc.
     Really anything you might contribute (even just opinion) would
be quite helpful.  Should you know of anyone who might be a
source of firsthand information (such as a teacher who has
dealt directly with homosexuality/bisexuality in his or her
classroom or someone who for whatever reason might have
expertise in the area), please give them my address 313 Bennington
Rd./ Charlottesville, VA 22901 or ask them to respond to me via
e-mail. Should anyone actually be able to hook me up with such
a direct source, well, I would be forced to send him or her a
batch of my sweetest double fudge.  
     My undying thanks in advance.

Let's hear what you have to say...
					Susie Juroff
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From: root@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Operator)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: OCA phone:(503)682-0653
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:30:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Northwest of Beaverton Oregon

I just recieved this little bit of information, which
I thought you might find interesting.

Phone number for the O.C.A.: 1-(503)-682-0653

Why don't yall give 'em a call and tell 'em what you
think about them painting gays as disease-ridden promiscuous
child molesters? Why not ask them to explain the many lies
they print, such as claiming that Bill Clinton supports their
measure, when he sent a telegram to the No on 9 rally stating
otherwise, and claiming NBC lawyers had said that the measure
was in their opinion constitution (when they never did)?

I am not advocating a phone-blitz, which could tie up their
phone lines for days (weeks?), exhaust their volunteers, and
give them a taste of the storm and fury descending upon them ;)
I am simply asking a few tens of thousands of my friends to
give them a piece of their mind.

Alternatively, you could all call and ask for copies
of their literature to be sent to fictional addresses.
Each leaflet misdirected is a leaflet and stamp down the
drain.

Put the word on the street and have a nice day.

	Glade McCready
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