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From: lmf1t@kronos.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Lindsay M. Faunt)
Subject: Re: Pre-luber summary & Oil Changes
Organization: uva
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:37:20 GMT

I read the following article in last Sunday's paper.  This is
an AP story (printed w/o permission):

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	Some tests have shown that a great deal of an engine's
wear and tear occurs in the first few seconds of being started,
mainly because oil hasn't had a chance to coat parts before
they kick into full operation.
	Decision Makers of Newton, Mass., says it has a solution.
It's called the "Safety Start" device and works like this:
	When the key is turned, the device delays gasoline and
spark for five seconds, allowing oil to begin circulating.
	The company says the device also has a temperature sensor
which shuts it down when the engine is warm and oil recently has
been circulated.
	Decision Makers president I. L. Schwarz says it can be
installed by an owner and costs less than $75.
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	I haven't contacted Decision Makers, so I don't know for
certain how it works.  It sounded like a great idea at first, but
I wonder if for those first five seconds the starter motor just
grinds away to circulate the oil?  Then again, I suppose that a
new starter each year is a small price to pay iff the engine lasts
another (couple of) 100,000 miles.

Linds
___

Lindsay M. Faunt
lmf1t@kronos.pharm.Virginia.edu
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From: rmc1862@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Rodger M. Cliff)
Subject: Re: 86 Chevy Nova horn relay location
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Aug 1992 14:27 EST  

In article <78514@ut-emx.uucp>, shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bart Simpson) writes...
>Does any of you know the location of the horn relay on the 86 Chevy Nova(notchback), 
>if there is one? Couldnt find any mention of it(or anything about the horn) 
>in my Chilton repair manual. 
>I think it has a horn relay coz the horn switch completes the connection 
>between a wire and ground. Right now the wire shows no voltage, so I 
>suspect the relay wire broke. Any ideas? I've never troubleshot relays, so
>dont know what conks out first. 

Try checking your fuse first, then check the wiring to the horn relay, then try
replacing the relay.  The wire should be "hot" at the horn button.
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Rodger Cliff                         |  
Analex Corporation                   |            My opinions
at NASA Lewis Research Center        |     are not those of Analex or NASA
Cleveland, OH                        |          and definitely not
                                     |             vice-versa!
(216) 433-8826                       |
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: How Fast is a Top Fueler???
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:42:55 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

rudis+@cs.cmu.edu (Rujith S DeSilva) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.092300.14627@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
>gv9j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>> ... a typical Top Fuel dragster ...
>>
>>I saw the NHRA Northwest nationals in Seattle, and did some timing.
>>They did 1/4 mile in 4.9 sec, meaning an avg of 3.41 g.
>>They got up to 295 mph in 4.9 sec, acceleration of 2.74g average.

>Err ... the above two figures are contradictory.  It's got to be either one or
>the other.

Actually neither.  The top speed is measured over the last 100 feet of
the track which means it is an average over that range.  In any case, 
a computed average acceleration has little meaning because the cars do
not accelerate at a constant rate. 

Of more relevance, though in my experience of dubious accuracy, is the
peak G force recorded by the on-board RacePack computer.  This is typically
5 G +- a few tenths at launch.  Pro Stock cars run a tad over 4 G.
I'm currently evaluating a RacePack computer here in my lab and based
on my preliminary observations, I'd regard those numbers as +- half a G or
so.

>What are these cars like, anyway?  I've never heard of them, or anything
>remotely like them.

I'm not sure words can completely describe these cars.  You just gotta
see 'em to appreciate 'em.  Watch for an NHRA Nationals near you.

John
>Rujith de Silva.
>Carnegie Mellon.
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Battery Technology for EVs
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:54:11 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

Frank.Mallory@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Mallory) writes:


>The same thing occurred to me. I've been trying to get some EDTA for some time
>now. 

Assuming EDTA is Ethylene Diamine Tetraacetic Acid, it's as easy as a
call to a couple of sources.  Fisher Scientific has Reagent grade EDTA
for $22 per 500g.  Minimum order is $100 and they're pricks to deal with
unless you're Fortune 500, Big Governemnt or Big Education.  The second
source is Strem Chemicals.  This is a delightful little company to deal
wtih and they have EVERYTHING.  Their price is $39 per 500g or $10.50
per 100g.  (These guys have BuckyBalls and a variety of high temperature
superconductor materials.)  Tel 508 462 3191.  

Before ordering, you should know that there are alkali metal compounds
of EDTA.  You really need to know whether the magic battery goop is 
pure EDT acid or one of these compounds.  The compounds are lots cheaper
so there is financial incentive too.

If you're really serious and figure out which compound you need and cannot
order any other way, contact me.  I have accounts with both companies.

John

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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: CLUB Story
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:59:39 GMT

asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:

>Wife's CLUB just messed up royally.  We go to unlock it and there it is
>stuck and the key won't turn(it has one of those circular keys not a regular
>one).  We call the locksmith, he laughed and said that this was a common
>complaint and came that night to get it off my wife's car.  He hadn't
>experience picking that sort of lock, so he drilled the master cylinder
>and removed the lock itself.  good news was that it took at least half
>an hour so the thing was good, the bad news was that it was a piece of
>crap lock.  Also she had it wedged in the corner with the butt of the 
>club in the windshield it wasn't till the next morning I saw the 
>crack!!!! so it cost me 45 dollars for the locksmith and dunno
>how much its gonna be for the windshield..  Any help
>for getting CLUB number to yell would be appreciated.  Thanks
>Asim 

That's interesting..a consumer magazine here in Australia called
CHOICE (US has one too I beleive?) did an article on these steering
wheel locks and had a trial where a randomly chosen guy (unskilled in
car theft) was given a screwdriver and told to ... see if you can remove 
this lock.

The average locks were removed from anywhere between 15 seconds to 3 minutes.
all brands and styles failed the test at the hands of the amature.
The CLUB lock was apparently in the 15 second category.

Regards Scott.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au]  PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272).                
                                                             _--_|\       N
Department of Psychology                                    /      \    W + E
University of Western Australia.                 Perth -->  *_.--._/      S
Nedlands, 6009.  PERTH, W.A.                                      v       

Joy is a Jaguar XJ-6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.
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From: eur@dutncp2.tn.tudelft.nl (Eur van Andel)
Subject: Re: Throw-out bearing replacement
Organisation: TU Delft, The Netherlands
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:01:42 GMT

In <1992Sep1.201331.21206@intelhf.hf.intel.com> yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown) writes:

>I just purchased a 1980 Fiat Spider 2000, and have noticed that when I
>push the clutch in, a slight rattling/whining is heard.  All of the
>Fiat mechanics I've talked to tell me that I need to replace the
>throw-out bearing, which is only a $20 part, with the added price tag
>of $250 for labor to drop the transmission out.  Since I am low on
>cash, I am thinking about doing this myself.  My question is this:

>      a) Having never done it, or anything like this before, am I safe
>      doing it alone and just using a Hanes manual as my guide?
NOT alone. You won't be able to get the tranny back in.
Practice on the junkyard.

>      
>      b) Can I really screw things up pretty badly if I do something
>      less than completely stupid, i.e. can a small mistake wreck my
>      car?
Naah. If you drop the tranny from 3' on concrete maybe. Did you plan 
to do this?


>The reason I want to try to drop the tranny myself is not only to save
>money, but to learn about how my car works, and since it is a Fiat I
>can see myself working on it often.  Is this a good first project, or
>should I just shell out the 300 bucks and have a professional do it?
It is a BIG project, not very difficult.
With two people it should take 2 days.

eur
From: jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:24:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Towing a Travel Trailer with an Aerostar
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech

Do you have the performance axle ratio (3.73?)
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From: stevensd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Doug Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech,rec.autos
Subject: Recalls for 85 Park Avenue??
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:39:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University


Does anyone know where I can get a list of the recalls on a '85 Buick Park
Avenue?  I looked through the owners manual and didn't find a number to call
for recall information.  Thanks.

-Doug
From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Unusual Tire wear - "scalloping", Why?
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:52:31 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
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X-Xxdate: Sun, 30 Aug 92 11:52:02 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9

I've noticed an odd wear pattern on one of the rear tires of my Toyota
Celica that has
caused the car to become excessively noisy.  The tire tread has worn so
that it is scalloped
against the direction of rotation - the tread is raised in the direction
of rotation and
then dishes in.  Each tread section appears to be worn like this.  The
car was returned to
the dealer who found nothing wrong - at the time, I complained of
excessive road noise, but
hadn't recognized the tire wear.

Does anyone have a clue why a tire would wear this way?  I'm trying to
isolate the problem
to a defective tire or a mechanical problem before the warranty runs out.

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: scored rotors OK?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:10:40 GMT

Sean Samblanet (samblane@oasys.dt.navy.mil) wrote:

:  But after talking to other racers they said along as they
: are not warped and don't have stress/heat cracks (radially from center)
: dont worry about turning the rotors.  The grooves actully give you more surface
: area(more braking power) after the pads are seated.  

: Sean

I don't think the 'more surface area' theory is correct.  The force exerted by
the pad against the rotor can be expressed as a vector quantity, I believe.
This would mean that, for instance, in a v-shaped groove in the rotor, you would
still be getting the same force as if it were a flat surface.

Of course, I slept through physics class, so maybe someone else has something to
add on this topic?  Great, now you've got me wondering....

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: dleemann@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: SEMA ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:29:06 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hi there,

I  would like to know when/where the SEMA takes place ?
I know it will be in Las Vegas and I know it will be in the fall!

If anyone has some more accurate information, please let me know

Daniel
From: samblane@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sean Samblanet)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Pre-luber summary & Oil Changes
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:07:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.24556
Reply-To: samblane@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sean Samblanet)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.tech, chris@speckle (Chris Schanzle) writes:
>In <1992Aug31.065716.27753@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mf
>g 4-6987) writes:
>>Paul Welch (paulw@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM) wrote:
> (much good stuff deleted)
:TIP2: run Mobil 1 and change it about every three thousand miles.
:Mobil 1 won't coke anywhere as easily as conventional oils in the
:turbo, will gradually clean sludge out of your engine (my valvetrain
;is much cleaner with Mobil 1 than Penzoil/Castrol used at the same
:change interval: 3,300 miles (3 times per 10K miles)), has less
:friction, great viscosity range, and is about $3.50 a quart.  Hell, I
:even run 5W-30 in my lawnmower (all 2/3's of a quart).
:
:I justify Mobil 1 by telling myself Jiffy Lube would charge about as
:much for an oil change (my cost is 3.5 qts * $3.5 + $3 FRAM filter =
:$15.25), and I sure wouldn't be getting Mobil 1!  And I won't
:overtighten my drain plug or oil filter, I can crank the motor to get
:oil pressure back before starting, and so on.  Plus, I get warm
:fuzzies knowing Mobil 1 is protecting my engine.  YMMV.  :-)

    This part and everything else well said!  As I read the posting
I kept thinking of Things I was going to add but you covered them all.

    One thing to add about Mobil 1.  A pit crew friend worked with a
chysler turbo in showroom stock SCCA raceing around '87-'88.  The turbo
was oil cooled (as is my Eagle Talon Turbo) which sends oil temps sky
high.  In his testing oil temps (under race conditions) were around
340 F.  At these temps he said the oil was turned to sludge in a few
hours.  So they ran Mobil 1 at a 24hour endo race and  sent out a sample
to be tested.  The labs response was "Why are you sending us new oil?".
I happen to race my car on race tracks so Mobil 1 is all I use.  But
reguardless, I will always use Mobil 1 if I own a turbo even if I don't
race it.  Turbo charged engines just add to much heat to the oil to
be trusted to conventional oils.(witness the oil coolers on most turbo
cars.)

Sean
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: SESPC393@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Info needed on B&W T-5 tranny
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:45:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.133858.8749@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Bob.Smith@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Smith) writes:
>Well, my urges to do an engine/tranny swap in my XR4 have flared again,
>and I'm looking for info on the T-5.  The info I'm looking for includes
>
>        1. Where can I get a good used one for less than the $600 the
>           local junk-yards want to take me for and old ratted out one?
>           $600 should get you one in excellent conditon at least!
>
>        2. Where can I get info on what T-5s went in what
>           Camaros/Mustangs/etc.?
>
>        3. Where can I get dimensional info on the T-5.  Local libraries have
>           few auto tech books ...
>
>        4. Where can I get gear ratio info?
>
    Have You tried talking to the people at Rapido Group (XR4Ti performance
    specialists) who have developed a kit to do this. The only problem is
    they are not for the faint of pocket book. Their kit while very complete
    and well developed (includes transmission with correct ratios, bell
    housing, shift linkage, and etc) is expensive but the improvement it makes
    in the car is well worth the investment!
 
                                                 Steve DuChene
                                               Handson Engineering
                                              00017210@ysub.ysu.edu
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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: SHO Shifter Kit
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:47:40 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

Does anyone out there with some connections with Ford or whatever
know what the delay on the SHO shifter conversion kit is about?
A nearby dealer just told me they keep getting delay after delay
and the current "guess is Fall."

Are they having trouble putting this thing together? or are they
trying to improve on the rod shifter already in the 91.5 and later
cars?


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
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From: dcb0@gte.com (Daniel Bazinet)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: '91 Escort GT stalling
Keywords: GT Escort stalling computer
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:22:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.tech
Distribution: na
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA


	Hi,
	I'm having a problem with my '91 Escort GT. The engine
	likes to stall after coasting down from high RPM - i.e.
	when coasting to a stop on an off-ramp from high speed.
	
	Does anyone else have any experience with this?  Know
	of any TSB's ?  The engine RPM also "hunts" up and down
	( oscilates ) just before it dies?  Does Ford have new 
	PROMS for the computer?  Any help appreciated !
				Thanks,
				   Dan
From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: VOLVO info
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In the referenced article, smith@ctron.com writes:
>Any car with 3-pt seat belts has a "good seatbelt system", and all cars sold

Well, yeah, but it could certainly be a lot better. Auto tensioners
help things quite a lot (though I'm normally against active safety
features on general principle, this one seems like a good idea).

>in this country have crumple zones.  The NHTSA rates the all Volvos midpack
>as far as crash safety is concerned, and they only do that well because they
>are old designs and are therefore much heavier than is the norm for

Well, the NHTSA is fine for what it measures, but mass *does* count on
the road. The insurance statistics show actual loss in actual use.
Now, either one in isolation is bogus (e.g. Vettes are *really* bad in
insurance stats, but they aren't particularly unsafe cars in some
absolute sense if you don't overdrive your skills).

But they both have something very valid to say.

The only thing I can think of that would be better would be to do some
kind of comparison of "deaths/serious injuries per accident at a given
speed times accident rate at that speed for drivers of similar
attitude and skills" but such statistics are notoriously difficult if
not impossible to gather.
-- 
"When you're down, it's a long way up
 When you're up, it's a long way down
 It's all the same thing
 And it's no new tale to tell"                      ../ray\..
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Polish VW Joke
Organization: LC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:13:29 GMT

A man was sentenced to 4 years in Poland because he was caught
smuggling an engine in the rear trunk of his VW Bug.

It is said that the Polish judge gave him an extra year in jail because
the engine was running during the smuggling operation (hazardous).

Another man was sentensed there to 1 year in jail because he was 
smuggling a car battery under the seat of an Audi 5000S. :)

jle
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: saab questions
Keywords: saab turbo
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:40:46 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <b8Yf03a773uY00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nbaltz@uts.amdahl.com (Nancy C. Baltz) writes:
>> Do Saabs develop oil system problems more easily than other cars?

	Saabs develop *problems* more easily than other cars.  Wonderful
design, but they think quality control is for those other guys.

	I once saved for three years to by myself a brand-new Saab 900S.
That car was a curse, an underpowered four-cylinder albatross, a never-
ending source of frustration and negative cash flow.  If someone _gave_
me a Saab the only reason I'd take it would be to have the pleasure of
setting the thing on fire and pushing it off a cliff.

S wedish
A utomobiles
A lways
B reak down.
						the wharf rat