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From: KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.slovak-l
Subject: Re: Slovak-Hungarian Relations
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:55:34 GMT
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 Dear Joe:
 I think we can close our dialogue till you get some infos
 about Hungarians' relevant complains as you promised. I guess
 that will be good point to write about. But let me take a stand to
 some issues you have posted.

> became very evident during that televised soccer (football) game in
> Bratislava where ninja-looking Slovak anti-terrorist police charged the
> Hungarian fans indiscriminately.  ... and only them!  They may not have
> shown the worst pictures on Slovak TV, but they did on Hungarian.  The
> behavior of Hungarian fans did not warrant such disproportionate
> response.

This problem was good deal pertracted on STV and in slovak press.
The situation was that Fradi's fans got out of their sector. I would
like remind you that hungarian police officials were also present and
their "boss" admitted that the police action was equal to the
situation that arised. Then day later he changed his oppinion "after
seing video records". I would also like to remind you that fradi's
fans are well known because of their "tough behaviour". Slovan's fans
are relatively pacific. I believe that the slovak police acted in
their best intention to avoid "new Bruxelles". I would like also point
out that I will have no objection if slovak "fans" have been treated
the same way for the same things in Hungary. It is because the fact
that when one is bad lot it doesn't matter wheather he is Hungarian or
Slovak.

>
> BTW, my Slovak part of ancestry is also from the Banska Bystrica region.
> It was on my mother's side and the family name was "Pseniak", or
> "Psenak".  Is that a common name around there?  I supposedly still have
> some distant cousins there somewhere.

It is not very common name because I don't know anybody with such
name.I will try to get some informations.

> poet because he identified with Hungarians.  That's why I keep stressing
> that IDENTITY is what determines one's nationality in such mixed
> region as the Carpathian basin, not blood.  But then again, I don't need
> to explain this to Slovaks whose greatest poet also changed his name
> from a Hungarian to a Slavic one.  Or am I wrong on that (Hvezdoslav)?

  You are certainly right. There are more examples. Take for instance
  slovak poets.
  Francisci
  Braxatoris - Sladkovic
  Orszag     - Hviezdoslav
 ....
  And my mother's name was Spiros. Grandfather was greek.

 Regards,

Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:43:36 EST
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Questionable Slovak Historical Continuity

I don't want to get involved in the Slovak-Hungarian historical
controversy but there are some linguistics facts which surely make the
situation interesting. So, for example, there is little doubt that
Modern Slovak shows South Slavic linguistic characteristics or
influences (e.g. the complex vowel alternates for the Common Slavic
"yers"--the reduced vowels, as well as others). It is also a fact that
some of the most famous Slovak writers in the 19th century wrote in
Czech, e.g. Kollar and Safarik. When Bernolak and, especially, Stur
codified modern standard Slovak, the dialect picked for the purpose was
the Central Slovak one which is as distinct from Czech as they could
find. This prevented any possibility that a common literary language for
the Czechs and Slovaks could continue. Had Stur picked a West Slovak
dialect (let us say that of the Skalica region), things could have been
quite different (Skalica speech is esentially identical to Moravian
Slovak dialects). But such are the pluses and minuses of national
consciousness, I guess.

Henry Kucera
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:46:56 PST
From:         Joe Pannon <pannon@BCSFSE.CA.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Roots of the Slovak-Hungarian Conflict
              92 4:30 am

> In article <CMM.0.88.721579836.juris@telos.ai> Igor Jurisica,
> juris@TELOS.AI.TORONTO.EDU writes:

> Well, this is something nobody mentioned yet, but I had a few Hungarian
> colleagues as students when I studied (1982-1987 in Kosice). All of them
> had enormous problem with the Slovak language. The obvious reason was
> they learned everything in Hungarian from the kindergarten up to the high
> school! Slovak was only a foreign language, and majority of them had a
> very bad attitude to learn it, supported by their teachers who were
> obviously mainly Hungarian. So their ability to speak Slovak IN SLOVAKIA
> was very poor even after they finished the high school ! Can you imagine
> the same attitude of the Hungarians in other countries, like Canada, or
> U.S.A.?

There you go again, Lubosh!  I could not count the foreign-born
engineers and computer specialists I met here at The Boeing Company
whose English is also horrible!  Yet, they are slowly overtaking the
company (with a slight exaggeration, of course ;-) and have no problem
communicating.  Several of them are actually from Hungary and have been
doing just fine in getting by in the English speaking world.  In fact, their
multi-lingual skills are often an advantage over the natives' lack if
language skills.
Most of these poor speakers of English are generally much better in their
writing skills and often speak more than just two languages, even though none
fluently.  Yet good enough to effectively communicate.  This makes them
prime candidates for assignments as Boeing representatives with foreign
airlines.  Similarly, Slovaks should consider their multilingual
citizens as assets in their international trade relations.

Your analogy is also false, Lubosh, when comparing Hungarians in
Slovakia to immigrants in the US or Canada.  This may sound reasonable
comparison to American readers of this list, and I suspect they were
your real target audience.  However, Hungarians ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS IN
SLOVAKIA.  They are just as natives there as are the Slovaks!  The
borders have changed.  That's quite different from the situation of
immigrants who left their own native lands to settle in another country
and thus can reasonably be expected to assimilate in their chosen new
land.  That can not be reasonably expected from Hungarians within the
Carpathian basin who have lived there for over 1,000 years.

If you insist on using New World analogy, a more proper comparison of
Hungarians in Slovakia would be with the French speaking citizens of
Canada.  They, too, have lived in that land for about as long as the
English speaking Canadians, and they also rightly reject the notion of
English speaking Canadians that sounds very similar to what you are
saying about Hungarians in Slovakia.

Regards,
Joe Pannon
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:29:34 -0600
From:         Milan Palus <mp@CCSR.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Gabcikovo, propaganda, etc.

Jan George Frajkor writes:
>>>         Yup.  Consider how long it took the Palestinians to be seen
>>>as other than terrorists.
(Reply to Mr. Szelepczenyi's remark about mistrust of the international
community against Slovakia due to, among others, Hungarian anti-slovak
propaganda abusing the Gabcikovo case)

Milan Palus writes:

>> Wonderful reply from the vice-president(?) of the Slovak World
>> Congress and the person from a Canadian School of Journalism.
>> Probably the Congress spent all the energy by explanation
>> how brave was the fascist Slovak state.
Jan George Frajkor writes:
>      Such remarks are first of all untrue and secondly uncalled for.

At first I would like to apologize the second sentence of my remark.
I didn't write it with the "cold head" as was proposed recently
in this list. For my excuse - about two years ago some fascist propaganda
(spreading of some brochures etc) was connected with the Congress -
at least in the Czech newspapers - I spent majority of my time
in Prague. So I don't know whether this remark is totaly untrue,
but it is really uncalled for and totally uselles.
 It was beyond the topic and drawn us beyond the topic. So I apologize
again to the Congres and to the vice-president.
The topic was the role of propaganda - and esp. the spreading of
information about Slovakia through some channels, which,
ehm, at least "filter" a part of the truth.
 So I insist on the first part of my remark, reflecting disapointment
from  Mr. Frajkor's remark. Instead of saying look to the Palestians,
they were even worse, I would expect some more constructive
propositions what we can do to bring unbiased information from Slovakia
for the international community.
If there is nobody with access to such information and ability to write
to the most important world journals and newspapers, it would be
desirable to help to create such personalities.
If I was a professor of journalism and an important person
in the Congress, I should try to organize fellowships for gifted
Slovak journalist to study abroad to get skills and ability
to write to  the most prestigous newspapers.
Or I would like to hear anything else constructive and not
the sentence - look somebody is even worse.

So that this was my remark about. It was not the attack against
the Congress, it was only question "do you consider to do anything
to solve the problems or do you have only reference that
somebody is even worse?

Respectfully,
Milan Palus
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:21:35 -0600
From:         David Lippke <lippke@UTDALLAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet-Internet mapping
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This is a total aside, but it's interesting to note that after throwing out
  the various .bitnet entries, you find that of the 969 other domain names
  mentioned, at least 898 have A records in the DNS.  And of the 864 NJE
  nodes mentioned, at least 811 of the "first" :internet entries for each
  have A records.
Although one cannot assume a node's :internet entry reflects an equivalence
  to a given NJE nodename for all its services or assume that all NJE nodes
  on the internet have :internet entries, the absolute magnitude of internet
  connection among BITNET hosts cannot be denied.  I haven't looked at these
  stats in awhile, but I believe this represents a quadrupling in the number
  of internet-connected BITNET hosts over the last two years.  Should things
  continue at this rate, every host will be connected by the end of 1994 ;-)

Hmmm... well, back to business.

/David  :-)
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:01:03 -0600
From:         David Lippke <lippke@UTDALLAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet-Internet mapping
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On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:50:48 +0100 Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
said:
> While  it is  true that  a lot  of the  BITNET sites  have full  Internet
> connectivity, I think  your quadrupling conclusion is a bit  hasty. In my
> experience there are many Internet-connected sites which do not put their
> domain style address in BITEARN NODES either because they don't know how,
> because they  don't care or are  too lazy, or  for fear that it  might be
> used for purposes they did not intend. ...

Yes, in fact UTDALLAS fell into this last category until very recently
  (when we ultimately concluded that we needed the known features more than
  we feared the side effects).  In any case, the estimate of a couple years
  ago that I mentioned was one based on a manual survey I conducted through
  a combination of simply polling and generally digging around.  At the time,
  I concluded that 200 internet-connected hosts was a reasonable estimate.
  Now what could be happening is that a "couple" years is actually something
  closer to three .. ;-)  I'll have to dig through old presentations to see
  if I can put a date on it.

But whatever...  you're right.  The main interest here is in seeing this
  conservative estimate of the number of internet-connected BITNET systems.

In the way of per-country stats, I don't have anything but the simple domain
  names handy, but those 811 connected hosts I mentioned in my last note
  break out this way when you sum over top level domain.  Hopefully these
  numbers add up!  ;-)

   7 at
   6 be
   1 br
  65 ca
   5 ch
   6 com
   3 cs
  36 de
   4 dk
 529 edu
   4 es
  15 fi
  26 gov
   6 gr
   4 ie
  28 il
   1 is
  12 it
   1 mil
  14 mx
   3 net
  17 nl
   2 no
   1 pt
  11 se
   1 uk
   3 us

/David
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From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet-Internet mapping
              17 Nov 1992 06:21:35 -0600 from Node Management <NODMGT-L@UGA>

On Tue,  17 Nov  1992 06:21:35  -0600 David  Lippke <lippke@UTDALLAS.EDU>
said:

>Although  one  cannot  assume  a  node's  :internet  entry  reflects  an
>  equivalence to  a given NJE  nodename for  all its services  or assume
>  that  all  NJE nodes  on  the  internet  have :internet  entries,  the
>  absolute magnitude of internet connection among BITNET hosts cannot be
>  denied. I haven't looked at these  stats in awhile, but I believe this
>  represents a  quadrupling in  the number of  internet-connected BITNET
>  hosts over the last two years.

While  it is  true that  a lot  of the  BITNET sites  have full  Internet
connectivity, I think  your quadrupling conclusion is a bit  hasty. In my
experience there are many Internet-connected sites which do not put their
domain style address in BITEARN NODES either because they don't know how,
because they  don't care or are  too lazy, or  for fear that it  might be
used for purposes they did not intend. In particular, there were very few
such  tags  before LISTSERV  started  doing  something  with them  -  the
incentive was just not there until it stopped being purely ornamental.

If you have a statistics package that makes it easy for you to do that, I
would be interested in seeing a breakup of these results by country. Some
countries do not have Internet access at all, others are poorly connected
while in the US  the Internet is the "prime" network.  The numbers are of
course  not accurate  since some  sites  do not  register their  Internet
address, but they do represent a minimum percentage of Internet-connected
systems and in this respect they are interesting.

  Eric
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:28:00 NFT
From:         Daniele Bovio <HI@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject:      NEWTAGS again...

Folks,

the NEWTAGS documents stored in NETSERV have just been refreshed once
more. Barry Finkel (thanks Barry|) has in fact detected, in the recently
stored version, a couple of english errors, and, most important, that
the text of the DESCRIPT format was one line longer that it should be,
in order to be printed on US letter format.
Since no major changes occurred, the date of the document is unchanged.

Sorry for the trouble.

Best Regards

                                                 d.
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:11:47 IST
From:         Hank Nussbacher <HANK@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet-Internet mapping

>Hank, do you actually read this list?  A few months ago, someone (I think

As a matter of fact, I don't.  I scan it occasionally, but just don't
have the time to read every newsgroup.  Guilty as charged. :-)

>  Eric

Hank
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From:         A6@ESOC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A new NEWTAGS DESCRIPT

Hi
is there a SCRIPTed version of the NEWTAGS DESCRIPT somewhere?

Regards Hermann Schneider
        Network Coordinator
        ESOC (European Space Agency's Operations Centre)
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:42:06 +0100
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet-Internet mapping
              17 Nov 1992 10:43:49 IST from Node Management <NODMGT-L@UGA>

On  Tue, 17  Nov 1992  10:43:49 IST  Hank Nussbacher  <HANK@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
said:

>There  are a  number  of  sites that  have  recorded  themselves in  the
>:internet. tag with  a .bitnet address which according to  my reading of
>the documentation is not allowed. But as  we all know, rules are made to
>be broken and Bitnet/EARN loves that rule.

Hank, do you actually read this list?  A few months ago, someone (I think
John Wagner but I'm still drinking my first coffee of the day so that's a
non-binding statement :-) ) made the same  remark on this same list and I
pointed  out that  we have  already  had a  long debate  about this  when
LISTSERV  support for  the ':internet.'  tag was  announced, and  said it
would  be nice  if we  could avoid  repeating it.  That comment  is still
valid.

  Eric
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From:         Paula Nielson <FPIN@LMUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Job Posting

California Institute of Arts would like to announce the opening of
the position of Information Resources Librarian.  This position will
provide guidance in investigating, evaluating, and incorporating
appropriate electronic information resources into the library program;
and to oversee collection development and bibliographic instruction
for the Schools of Theatre and Dance.  Under the direction of and in
cooperation with the Dean, this librarian assists in the planning for,
coordination of, and maintaining of the library's responsibilities for
microcomputer and network applications; trains the library staff in the
use of microcomputer software; and maintains a working knowledge of
the library's DRA library system.  In addition, the librarian assists
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Salary:  Commensurate with education and experience, minimum $35,000.

To obtain further information contact:

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              16 Nov 1992 13:27:44 -0500 from <norden@ANDY.BGSU.EDU>

I am another one who would like to hear about connections with CUFS.
      Marla Schwartz, American University Law Library
      (202) 885-2680
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From:         EHUTTON@COLGATEU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Shopping for an Automated System

Colgate looked at VTLS, Dynix, DRA, & III when migrating from Carlyle in
1990.  III and DRA were clearly the top two choices by a long shot.  I
pushed for III because it was then the Lexus of Acq and Serial systems.
I am very happy with it so far and our users seem happy with it.  If you
need more info on the Acq and Serials System feel free to give me a call
or send a message through email.  By the way I did not make it clear that
we have the full integrated system [acq, ser, circ, opac].

Emily Hutton
Colgate University, Hamilton, NY  13346
315-824-7308
Ehutton@ColgateU
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Subscribe Marjorie Bloss
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Terry--Here at Calif. State Univ. Fullerton we have been an Innovative Library
 for several years and have been very happy with the product and service.  I can
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Diana Davis, Head, Circulation Services and member of OPAC Committee.
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From:         Xia Lin <LIN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CUFS

We would like to link INNOPAC's acquisition module to the university's
financial system, CUFS. Are there any other people do the same thing?
Please let me know if you have done it with your system or plan to do it.
Our problem is that we don't know how to link the two system together.
Any thoughts or insights will be appreciated.

Xia Lin
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Pace Law Library
lin@pacevm
914-422-4274
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From:         Miin-Huei Tung <lindamht@CCMS.NTU.EDU.TW>
Subject:      Pcode

We are a new user of Innopac system and we are filling out the
worksheets now.  We would like to have your experiences or
suggestions for PCODE1, PCODE2, and PCODE3.

Please send the mail to either list or me directly.  Thanks very much.


Linda Tung
National Taiwan University Library
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thanks for the tip - I will have to go back to the barcode manuals
to work on this but it sounds worth it.

Linda
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I have received two requests so far for this enhancement:

        in Create Lists, when we Quit, let us stay in
        the lists and return us to the list of lists.

Since this is so popular, I just thought I would let everyone
know that this is in Release 8.  (And as we all suspected, it
makes life among the lists much easier!)

Linda Bills
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