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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: England side v France
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:06:31 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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Bruce Beadle (bruce@siesoft.co.uk) wrote:
>bruce@siesoft.co.uk (Bruce Beadle) writes:
>
>: England side for the first 5 Nations game on Saturday week at Twickers,
>: (from memory)
>: 
>: Webb, Hunter, Carling, Guscott, Underwood R., Andrew, Morris,
>: Leonard, Moore, Probyn, Dooley, Bayfield, Teague, Winterbottom, Clarke.
>: Replacements; DeGlanville, Bates, Olver, Ubogu, Rodber.
>  +Stuart Barnes (oops).

With Stuart Barnes unavailable for the England 'A' match against France 'B'
on Friday, Jon Hall is captain.  Interestingly Neil Back is still in the
side, so there doesn't appear to be any consistency in the decision making.
He also had a blinder of a game for Leicester against Northampton, scoring
a try and being all over the pitch securing possession.

>: 
>: No real surprises, Probyn really *had* to play, John Hall of Bath was
>: in contention as blind side flanker but Teague has the experience. You
>: can bet Ian Hunter will not risk injuring himself playing Soccer in the
>: next two weeks ;-)
>: 
>
>--
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: Scotland Team to play Ireland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:35:01 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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C M Brough (cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
[team list and stuff deleted]
>
>The other significant move was taking Doddie Weir out of the second
>row and into number 8. Graham Shiel's presence in the backs is at
>least partly due to the non-availablity of Gregot Townsend. Overall

Why is Gregor Townsend unavailable?  He has been getting a lot of media
space and seemed to be in a good position to come in to the side.

>there are 10 changes to the side that lost to Australia in Brisbane
>last summer.
>__________________________________________________________________________
>Colin Brough    cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk      Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

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Graham Cutting
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: World Cup 95 Preliminaries
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:28:35 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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graham@otago.ac.nz wrote:
>The article below was published in our local rag.  It does not
>answer questions re the format of the qualifying rounds, 
>dates, fixtures, etc.  If anyone is able to furnish further info 
>would appreciate knowing it.
>
>WALES FACES A LONG ROAD
>Paris (AFP) - Wales has to play Switzerland, Belgium, Portugal and
>Spain to qualify for the 1995 Rugby World Cup in South Africa.

I was playing a video of Rugby Special, that I had missed, and it 
mentioned that Wales play the winner and runner-up of this pool.

I am not sure what then happens to those two teams, whether
Wales win or lose.

>
>Wales, third in the first World Cup in 1987, failed to reach the
>quarter-finals in the 1991 tournament and did not join the nine
>seeds - the final eight and South Africa - which qualified
>automatically for 1995.
>
>The International Amateur Rugby Federation have drawn up seven
>groups, with the winners joining Australia, England, New Zealand,
>Scotland, Western Samoa, Canada, France, Ireland and South Africa.
>
>The qualifying tournament sections are (zonal winners qualify) -
>
>East European zone: Germany, Georgia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland,
>   Russia, Romania. (Romania have first-round bye).
>Central European zone: Holland, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Sweden,
>   Czechoslovakia. (Italy have first-round bye).
>West European zone: Wales, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland.
>   (Wales have first-round bye).
>African zone: Ivory Coast, Namibia, Kenya, Morocco, Tunisia,
>   United Arab Emirates, Zimbabwe.
>American zone: Argentina, Chile, USA, Paraguay, Uruguay, Bermuda.
>Asian zone: Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Malaysia,
>   Singapore, Sri Lanka, Thailand.
>Oceanic zone: Fiji, Tonga.
>(Other countries to be announced).
>
>----
>Graham

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Graham Cutting
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From: cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk (C M Brough)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Scotland Team to play Ireland
Keywords: Scotland, team
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:20:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.rugby
Organization: Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

Name		Club		Previous Caps
---------------------------------------------
G Hastings	Watsonians		41
A Stanger	Hawick			26
S Hastings	Watsonians		42
G Shiel		Melrose			2
D Stark		Boroughmuir		0
C Chalmers	Melrose			29
G Armstrong	Jed-Forest		24
A Sharp		Bristol			0
K Milne		Heriots			21
P Burnell	London Scottish		25
A Reed		Bath			0
D Cronin	London Scottish		24
D Turnbull	Hawick			10
G Weir		Melrose			14
I Morrison	London Scottish		0

Replacements:	L Logan, I Jardine (both Stirling Co), A Nicol (Dundee
-------------	HSFP), S Reid, P Wright (both Boroughmuir), I Corcoran
		(Gala) 
Referee:	E Morrison (England)

So, four new caps - and comments by the selectors seemed to suggest
that there might have been others in the pack had there not already
been three new caps there. On Shade Munro for lock, selector Duncan
Paterson said "[He was] very, very unlucky... We already have three
new caps in the pack. To bring in a fourth might have tempted
providence."

The other significant move was taking Doddie Weir out of the second
row and into number 8. Graham Shiel's presence in the backs is at
least partly due to the non-availablity of Gregot Townsend. Overall
there are 10 changes to the side that lost to Australia in Brisbane
last summer.

Some stats on the new caps:

Derek Stark	age:26, 6ft 2in, 14st 2lb, best 100m time of 10.6s
Andrew Reed	age:23, 6ft 6in, 17st
Alan Sharp	age:23, 5ft 11in, 17st
Iain Morrison	age:30, 6ft 1in, 15st 1lb

__________________________________________________________________________
Colin Brough    cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk      Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre
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From: pete@vscn18.nohost.nodomain ()
Subject: Re: Rugby Result
Reply-To: pete@vscn18.nohost.nodomain ()
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:46:04 GMT


Summary:  East Wales 21 - West Wales 21.

Cardiff Arms Park; 25000 spectators; weather cold and windy.

This game was not meant to be a trial, Alan Davies wanted to try and match
the divisional system in england to prepare players for the forth-coming
5 nations.

Not all the players were available: Stephans, Clement,R. Jones, I Evans,
S Gibbs, Procter (i.e. Nearly all the backs that played against Aus) the most
noticable.

The whole event was tarted up American style. Girlies and fire-works welcomed
on each player one at a time. It was strange to see fire-works at 15:00,
apsolutely embarasing, at one piont the whole of the West Wales team was
hiden by a huge yellow cloud.

Another strange thing about the game was that players who play for eastern
clubs were picked for the West and via-versa. Stuart Davies of Swansea
captained the West and R. Moon of Llanelli captained the East.

Each team scored 2 tries and 3 pens. The players tried to entertain and
play baabaa style but failed. The players lacked commitement and pride and 
the game sometimes looked like a training match.

R.Moon left the pitch after being sat on from a great height by Webster. 
Good games from scrum half Dowdy (man of match), Ad Davies, Nigel Walker( the
fastest man in rugby - seeing is beleiving), Webster, Budd and Phil Davies.

I hope they continue to play this fixture. Maybe next time everyone will take 
more seriously. 


       Clem 'hic hic' Thomas
From: bruce@siesoft.co.uk (Bruce Beadle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: 5 Nations preview
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:41:26 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
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Well, can they do it? Can England win a third grand slam in succession?
The pundits that I have read in the press over the weekend seem to
think that they can. Everyone agrees that the most difficult matches
are going to be France on Saturday and Wales at Cardiff. Can Perfidious
Albion send Les Blues packing? France look to have picked their strongest
side, although I'm a little surprised that Mesnel is on the bench. Should
be a good game. I'll report back next Monday, assuming I can see anything
through the alcoholic haze :-)

The home nations had a few injury scares at the weekend. Carling, Morris 
and Winterbottom have all sustained injuries of some sort, but all are
expected to be fit for Saturday. Mike Griffiths the Cardiff loose head
prop has broken his collarbone in a bizarre accident on bicycles with
the Welsh squad in Lanzarote! Also injured were Tony Clement and Colin
Stephens. Griffiths is expected to miss the England game in a month,
Ricky Evans from Llanelli stands by. Craig Chalmers is carrying an
injury but expects to be fit. Jim Staples on the other hand is definitely
out, Colin Wilkinson of Ulster replaces him.

January 16th  - England v France, Scotland v Ireland
February 8th  - Wales v England, France v Scotland
February 20th - Ireland v France, Scotland v Wales
March 6th     - England v Scotland, Wales v Ireland
March 20th    - Ireland v England, France v Wales

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"Do you really think that's wise?" - Sgt Wilson, Dad's Army
From: cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk (C M Brough)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Scotland Team to play Ireland
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:10:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.rugby
Organization: Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

In article <C0pA6E.F81@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com>, grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
> Why is Gregor Townsend unavailable?  He has been getting a lot of media
> space and seemed to be in a good position to come in to the side.

Injury - can't remember what, and I don't even know whether he is
likely to be fit to be considered for later games. Anyone with any
more details?

__________________________________________________________________________
Colin Brough    cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk      Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre
From: arti@brahms.udel.edu (Arti Nigam)
Subject: Re: HOPMAN CUP : JAN 6  DARK HORSES?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:19:42 GMT

In article <1idbnvINNbot@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
>GERMANS SURVIVE CUP SCARE
>BUT AUSSIES AREN'T AS LUCKY
>
>
>Rank outsider Ukraine almost upstaged German superstars Michael Stich
>and Steffi Graf in an absorbing qf of the Pepsi Hopman Cup at the
>Burswood Superdome last nite.
>
>On paper, Ukraine brother and sister team Andrei Medvedev and Natalia
>Medvedeva were given little chance of victory, but the German powerhouse
>pairing could not claim success till the mixed doubles winning 2-1
>(rubbers).
>
>Graf breezed past N.Medvedeva 6-2 6-1, but Stich lost a tense struggle against
>Andrei Medvedev 7-5 7-5 before the Germans won the mixed doubles in
>front of a sold out capacity crowd.
>
>the mixed doubles score: beats me!, they didn't televise it OR publish
>it ! but germany won!
>
>in the other qf Czech. was just too good for Australia in the long run
>Nicole Provis defeated highly ranked Jana Novotna in straight sets, 6-1
>6-4 but Australia's top ranked singles player, Wally Masur could not
>defeat Czech. Petr Korda, losing 6-7 4-6. It seemed Australia had a
>chance in the mixed doubles with Masur in the top 20 in doubles, and
>provis quite profficent, but the shear brillance of Korda and experience
>in doubles of Novotna made it a straight sets win 6-2 7-6.
>Czech. the #2 seeds now meet Spain in the first semi
>and Germany meet France in the second semi............looking for a
>Germany vs. Spain semi!!
>
>Bryan
>
With Forget looking so good and Stich looking not so good, I would not bet on anything.  

Siva
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tournament Final Results, Jan 10
Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:30:27 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
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In article <79663@hydra.gatech.EDU>, cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:
|> 
|> Tournament Final Results:
|> 
|>   + Doha
|>     ----
|>     Becker(3) d. Ivanisevic(2)     7-6 4-6 7-5
|>  
|>     No details to offer... hopefully those who saw the match
|>     from Europe can fill us in.

Sorry, no details. I only saw the first two sets. Both players were injured,
but not seriously. Ivanisevic destroyed one or two rackets. He seems to fill
the gap John McEnroe is leaving :-) I'm not sure but I think he only got one
warning...

+ Doha

Boris Becker and Patrick Kuehnen (Germany) won the double tournament.
(Sorry, no scores, no details, not even the opponents [sniff..sniff])

|> Christopher Smith                        csmith@cc.gatech.edu
|> College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937

-- 


Stefan
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From: jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas)
Subject: Donald - quo vadis?
Keywords: Waterloo
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:41:13 GMT

Users, please excuse this communication, but I lost a friend on the net.
Donald, are you still around and in this group. J.
     ****                   
    ******                                    
    ******   I'd rather be playing tennis
     ****
      *      
      *
      *
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: News, Jan 12
Keywords: News, Results
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:31:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


HEADLINES:

  + Sampras staves off upset bid by Medvedev at Sydney.
  + Brian Dunn first ever ITF World Junior Champion from USA.


  
Tournament Results from Today:

  + Sydney
    ------
    Sampras(1) d. Medvedev         2-6 6-3 6-2
    E. Sanchez d. Krajicek(2)      7-5 7-5

    Forget(3) and Costa(5) were victims of upsets today.

    Sanchez Vicario(2) d. Meskhi   4-6 6-4 6-0

    Capriati and Huber also advance.  Sanchez Vicario was in trouble
    against Meskhi when she had an injury scare (tumbling and then
    calling the trainer to treat her right ankle).  But after the
    time-out she won 8 straight games against Meskhi.

  + Auckland
    --------
    Washington(1) d. Gorriz        3-6 6-4 6-3
    Adams d. Chesnokov(3)          (3 sets)


More of Yesterday's Results

  + Sydney
    ------
    Ferreira(4) d. Apell (Sweden)  6-2 7-5
    Tebbutt d. Bruguera(6)         6-7 7-6 6-4 (had to get his name right!)
    Wheaton d. Boetsch             7-6 7-6
    Camporese d. Doyle             6-3 4-6 6-3
    Fromberg d. Masur              4-6 6-4 6-3

    Shriver d. McQuillan           6-3 4-6 7-5


  + Melbourne
    ---------
    Graham d. Limmer               6-2 7-5
    Wang d. Stafford               6-1 1-6 6-4
    Martinek d. Javer              6-1 6-2


  + Auckland
    --------
    Yzaga(4) d. Greenhalgh (NZ)    6-4 6-3
    Mattar(5) d. Zoecke            3-6 6-1 7-6
    Shelton d. Karbacher(6)        3-6 6-2 6-3
    Morgan d. Filippini(7)         6-0 6-7 6-0
    Carlsen d. Champion            6-4 6-0


Other News:

  + USA's Brian Dunn has been named the ITF World Junior Champion.
    He finished the year at #1 on the junior's singles rankings.

  + As has already been reported, Agassi will not debut this year
    at the Australian Open after all, as he suffers a recurring case
    of bronchitis.


..Chris

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: NY Times Article about Mary Pierce
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:51:54 GMT

Last month, a few of us showed some interest in Mary Pierce
in this group. Cindy Hahn wrote a very long article about Mary
and her father Jim Pierce in yesterday's (Sunday, January 10)
New York Times sports section. Hahn discusses Jim Pierce's background,
his influences on Mary as well as the way he treats her opponents.
Some of us saw Nick Bollettieri practicing with Mary at the
US Open last year. It turns out that Bollettieri is no longer
coaching Mary because of her father's influence, according to Hahn.

Since I don't want to be accused for plagiarism, I won't provide
any details about Hahn's article here. :-)
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     AT&T, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ,  07748  USA
From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:38:25 GMT
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: tim@mercury

In article <1993Jan05.160103.4683@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
>
>Thanks, Chris, for informing us.  Just curious: where is Qatar?  I
>would guess that it's near Australia?  And do you know if the tournament
>is indoor or outdoor?

Almost... To my knowledge Qatar is in the Middle East. It is close to
Kuwayt (remember?!) and also near the Persian Gulf. If am right it is
a neighboring peninsula of Saudi Arabia.

I guess that the "oil money" attracted the top tennis players. I don't
understand why Becker is playing there. I thought he showed a dislike
for the big money.

Tim
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Broadcast in Europe
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:50:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <1993Jan8.190023.16132@cc.gatech.edu> csmith@cc.gatech.edu (Christopher Smith) writes:
>
>I heard or read somewhere that the ATP championships last year was one
>of the most watched (if not the most watched) sporting events ever in
>Germany.  Imagine, if you will, the U.S. Open finals garnering as big
>or bigger an audience than the Super Bowl in the USA!  That is the
>difference between the popularity of tennis in the USA and the
>popularity of tennis in Europe.
>
But everything is relative.  Perhaps they are not as inundated with
as many major sports?  I mean, here we have football and  basketball,
both professional and college, and then baseball, hockey, golf, and tennis.  
The market is glutted, with every sport trying to expand at the 
expense of others.
Still, I look at the schedules of ESPN and can see lots of questionable
programs(dogs and cats show, muscle-building, etc.), so is tennis really
less marketable than those shows, or is it because of the costs (esp.
the travelling expenses) involved?
>In addition, with all the new tournaments going on in south and east
>Asia, you can be sure that there will be a tennis boom in this region
>(already, some of the best-ever tennis players from Japan, Indonesia,
>etc., are rising through the ranks, which will further increase the
>already high popularity of the sport in this region).
>   
Yes, but the U.S. HAS, for years, tournaments and HAS lots of rising as well as 
existing tennis players, and this country is many times the size of
most others.  So tennis should have been a consistently popular sport.

>Therefore,  I expect changes in USA-based sports broadcast channels
>like ESPN to cover more tennis will come only very slowly, and that
>we will have to look to international markets, as they become
>available, for significantly better tennis coverage.
>   
Our only hopes are: 1) ESPN will extend its broadcast overseas, and there-
fore has to cover tennis more; 2) The European channels become available
on cable in this country. :-(

M. Liu
From: roberto@dcs.gla.ac.uk (roberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Broadcast in Europe
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:58:57 GMT
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Mei-Ling L. Liu (mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu) writes: 

| I knew we were deprived, but I didn't realize just how badly.  It all
| comes down to the fact that tennis broadcast in the U.S. does not
| get enough people to watch, that is, it gets poor ratings.  What about
| in U.K.?  Apparently these telecasts must have an audience or they
| wouldn't be shown so extensively.  Or perhaps the European countries
| are less obsessed about ratings than in this country?

Well, I think you are right when you say it all comes down to how many people
watch tennis in TV. For some reason(s) not enough people in the US watch 
tennis in TV, even though many people play it.

Another point I would think makes a difference is the fact that Europe is 
a continent (as opposed to a country - the US) with many countries and 
many different cultures and a bigger population as well. 
It is therefore easier to explain many sports channels and thus much more 
sports in TV. 

Mikhail V. Solodov (solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu) writes: 
 
| Well, I believe major soccer (football, being precise) 
| games  draw  bigger
| crowds and attention in Europe than tennis and as big
| as the Super Bowl in the US.

Yes, football draws far much attention than tennis everywhere in the world 
with very few exceptions (e.g. the USA), but this does not mean anything 
as most people follow more than one sport. 

| This is a great puzzle for me as well..                 
| Take even something which makes more sense than cats - say, auto racing.
| I have really hard time trying to imagine that it is capable of attracting
| an audience comparable to that of tennis. What's going on here ?!
| May be auto industry covers everything, and they just don't care whether
| anyone is watching ?

Believe it or not, motor racing (F1, Indy cars, etc.) draws more attention 
than tennis in many countries. 
For instance, I think F1 is more about MONEY than tennis. 

Roberto Barros
 
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Subject: WANTED: TENNIS TUTOR Machine
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