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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 15:50:24 -0500 
From: Jason Mark Kalafat <jk7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: West Virginia Yankee

Excerpts from netnews.alt.appalachian: 5-Nov-92 Re: West Virginia Yankee
by Eric Dittman@skitzo.dseg 
> A lot of people I knew called it "Hinklehannon".

    You are absolutely correct.  However, after J D Hinkle II died
several years ago, the Hinkles don't own the town anymore.  I am good
friends with John and his kids, who are all close to my age.(The kids,
not John.)  Jim is a different story altogether.  Anyway, the Hinkle
reputation is based mostly on the past now, so Hinklehannon is once
again Buckhannon. 


Jason Kalafat
Carnegie Mellon University
From: richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Summary: Balm of Gilead
Keywords: colloquial language
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:57:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <1992Nov11.174644.24360@samba.oit.unc.edu> anlan@med.unc.edu (Anne Landin) writes:
>On another subject, Ive been meaning to ask ya'll:  does anybody know what
>a "bam a gilly bud tree" is?  Also what the buds were used for?

A "balm of Gilead" tree.  Balm of Gilead is a biblical reference.  I don't 
know what balm of Gilead actually is, but would guess it was some sort of
aromatic poltice and prized enough to get its own folk name (in biblical 
times.) I don't know to which tree the phrase refers.  

An analogy would be to the American Juniper, a tree with distinctive, aromatic 
wood.  The name derived from the Bible by the original settlers was Cedar.
The middle Tennessee town of Lebanon is in a region where the American
Juniper is common.  There is also a Cedars of Lebanon state park nearby.

Though not biblical, another tree that has a modified name in Appalachia
is the Sarvis, known as a Serviceberry elsewhere in the South.  There is
also a deciduous Magnolia known as a Cucumber Tree.

Richard Hargrove
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 13:22:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


And also "Bubba" may come from the German "Bube" (umlaut over U)
meaning boy or young feller.
-- 
Ted....
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From: laura@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Laura M. Edwards)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving at Mamaw's
Keywords: breakfast
Organization: Vanderbilt University Space Electronics Research Group
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:56:15 GMT

In article <Bxn0CF.sA@access.digex.com> cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd) writes:
-In article <1992Nov12.122718.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> mcmill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
->
->
->
->	Good news!  The whole family is headed down to Harlen county for
->Thanksgiving.  We have decided to go to Mamaw's (who lives on Forrester's Creek
-
-	Hey, we'll practically be next door to each other!  Well, not really,
-but I will be in Middlesboro, which ain't that far from Harlan!
-
I wish I could be in Cumberland for the holiday!  My family is the Morris' on
College Drive in Cumberland, and we usually have a huge turnout for Thanksgiving.
We can't make it this year, though.  I miss my cousins!

Laura
From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: West Virginia Yankee
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:33:28 GMT

Buckhannon . . . 

Well, I applied for a job at West Virginia Weslayan University and they hired
somebody else, so I'm a bit hostile toward that town right now.
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From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: Mystery Tree
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:01:49 GMT

About the "bam a gilly bud" tree, I'm guessing it's "Balm of Gilead,"
but I don't know that for a fact.

Jan
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:25:05 EST
From: Richard E. Lynch <RICH@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: West Virginia Yankee
 <1992Oct31.000845.18529@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

In article <1992Oct31.000845.18529@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct30.135829.1810@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>
>ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>> I also enjoy passing the signs directing travelers to Philipi, the New River
>> gorge, and Hinkle Road.  I would have loved to have driven along Rte. 19
>back
>> when the route went down into the gorge and then back up the other side of  e
>th
>> valley.  But now, alas, technology has taken over.
>
>New River Gorge, ah yes!...we went there a couple of times while they
>were building the bridge.  There are lots of great places to rock
>climb, etc...you could also climb up into the main girders of the
>bridge...talk about a rush!  I've seen this commercial a couple of
>times...a vehicle gets shoved ala bungee jumping off what I'm almost
>positive is the bridge.  Any one else seen this?

We were down that way this weekend visiting the family.  I mentioned the
commercial and said I thought it was the New River Gorge Bridge.  They said
it was. I asked how they knew and they said because they went out and watched
the filming of it.  Pretty conclusive I'd say.


>Our band use to play in club in Oak Hill off of Rte. 19...the Rustic
>Inn.  Kinda funny tho'...you couldn't rent a room at the Inn.  We
>played at another club, but I don't think it was on 19...it was called
>the Triangle Club and it was in, oddly enough, in Triangle.  I think
>Triangle is somewhat near Summersville.
>Another fun drive was Rte 60 out of Charlestown throught towns like
>Cedar Grove, Smithers, Boomer, Gauley Bridge and Ansted.  One place I
>used to stop at occasionally was (I think) Eagles Nest...nice views
>looking down on the Gauley River.

The name of the park is "Hawks Nest State Park".  This reminds me of
a childhood story.  Many years ago there was a killer stalking the area.
This killer would chop up his victims (sorry for the gore).  The killer
got the name "The Mad Butcher" and one of his victims was killed at
Hawks Nest.  I remember the family driving down to the park once and
my sister and I were scared silly.  We just knew that the "Mad Butcher"
was behind every tree.  We were young at the time and I'm not even sure
there ever really was a "Mad Butcher".  It may have just been some local
story going around.
From: dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: West Virginia Yankee
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:38:17 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <gey=gVi00iUxQ9t3sV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jason Mark Kalafat <jk7g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>     Please tell anything you know about Buckhannon, I'd love to hear
> what people think.

A lot of people I knew called it "Hinklehannon".
-- 
Eric Dittman                  Texas Instruments - Component Test Facility
dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    (214) 578-3575
Disclaimer:  Not even my opinions.  I found them by the side of the road.
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: nestorm@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov
Subject: Jake Butcher (Was Re: John Jay Hooker ...)
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:00:07 GMT

Dwight Brantley remembers the Jake Butcher story pretty well. Old Jake got
out of jail not long ago -- I think he was in a halfway house down in
Chattanooga. I can't decide whether the Butcher boys (Jake's brother C.H. was
in the middle of the whole financial scam, too) were the leading edge of
the savings and loan crisis or just a couple of good ol' boys from
Maynardville who did some shady deals and got caught. A classmate at UT
told me that she grew up in Maynardville, where Jake and C.H. were known
respectively as the good-looking one and the smart one...the story was
that when they worked in their daddy's store (which is still there, as
far as I know), Jake's register never would balance out at the end of the
day.
The mansion on the lake is up for sale -- someone wanted to buy it and turn
it into an addiction rehabilitation center, but the Anderson County zoning
board turned him down. It's quite a place, or so I've heard from those
who've been there. One woman described the decor as "New Orleans bordello."
(I wanted to ask her how she would know!)
Dwight, I've been an Oak Ridger practically my entire life, so send me an
e-mail. I used to visit my grandparents in Huntsville 25 years ago, but
about all I remember is the Star Market and the people down the street
with the Great Pyrenees dog.

Bonnie Nestor
NESTORM@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov
Disclaimer: I wouldn't LET the U.S. Government or Martin Marietta have my
            opinions if they asked me!
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From: anlan@med.unc.edu (Anne Landin)
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Keywords: Bubba colloquial language
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:46:44 GMT

I can't believe this!  The things I learn reading my computer news at
lunchtime.

My uncle has always called my mother Itty.  I just thought it was left
over from baby talk when he couldn't say her name.  We've never had a
Bubba y in the family to my knowledge although it seems like it could also
be babytalk for brother.

On another subject, Ive been meaning to ask ya'll:  does anybody know what
a "bam a gilly bud tree" is?  Also what the buds were used for?

Anne Landin
anlan@med.unc.edu

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From: mwauford@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (Melissa Wauford)
Subject: Re: John Jay Hooker and the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair
Keywords: where is he now?
Organization: Univ of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.231512.6607@news.acns.nwu.edu> beartwo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Audrey Davis) writes:
>Does anyone but me remember the debacle of the 1982 World's Fair that
>nearly bankrupted the state and contributed to Mr. Hooker's winding up (I
>think), um, insolvent?  Do I remember it right?  Whatever happened after that,
>anyway?  I've been away from home a long time...

As others have pointed out, you meant Jake Butcher.  John Jay Hooker was
a politician who ran for governor around the early seventies.

I'll just point out that the 1982 World's Fair was actually a success
for everyone EXCEPT Jake Butcher and his pals.  The Fair itself broke
even and the state and local contributions were for land acquisition
(some of which was resold to the original owners and some of which now
functions as a city park and gathering area instead of a mess of unused
fire-trap warehouses) and for much-needed road improvements.

Perhaps you are confusing the 1982 World's Fair with the bankrupt 1988
World's Fair in New Orleans which very nearly did take the state down
with it.

While they had a few white elephants left over after the Fair (notably
the unrentable SunSphere and the recently torn-down US Pavilion),
Knoxville got some good stuff from the Fair, including a convention
center and several historic buildings refurbished and put to good use,
not to mention the aforementioned Fairsite which now sees activity most
every week.  Overall, it was a pretty good deal, I think.

-- 

                                            Melissa
                                            mwauford@utkvx.utk.edu

Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: pefv700@chpc.utexas.edu (Christopher Phillips)
Subject: Re: John Jay Hooker and the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair
Keywords: where is he now?
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.231512.6607@news.acns.nwu.edu> beartwo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Audrey Davis) writes:
>Does anyone but me remember the debacle of the 1982 World's Fair that
>nearly bankrupted the state and contributed to Mr. Hooker's winding up (I
>think), um, insolvent?  Do I remember it right?  Whatever happened after that,
>anyway?  I've been away from home a long time...
>

Well, I don't remember the aforementioned debacle but I do remember
the Fair.  Some highlights I remember:

	The China exhibit was easily the most popular (and naturally
	had the longest lines).

	While we were waiting in the China line, I went and got a
	hot dog.  This was my introduction to the fact that there
	were people in this country that didn't know that a hot dog
	*had* to have chili and slaw :-).  (Actually, the cheapskates
	only gave me a weiner on a bun.)

	Price Harry, son of Charles and Diana, was born during the Fair.
	I suppose that means he had his 10th birthday last month.

	Each pavilion had a unique stamp (ink) that they stamped
	on a (program?) page designed for the purpose.  Boy, there
	sure were a lot of pavilions...

	The sun tower thingy (I don't remember its official name)
	had a Hardee's in the bottom.  I liked it then but seeing
	it a few years ago, it sure looked out of place.

Chris
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From: brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley)
Subject: Re: John Jay Hooker and the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair
Keywords: where is he now?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.231512.6607@news.acns.nwu.edu> beartwo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Audrey Davis) writes:
>Does anyone but me remember the debacle of the 1982 World's Fair that
>nearly bankrupted the state and contributed to Mr. Hooker's winding up (I
>think), um, insolvent?  Do I remember it right?  Whatever happened after that,
>anyway?  I've been away from home a long time...
>

Although I don't seem to recall Mr. Hooker, I remember the World's Fair
fiasco very well.  There was another prominent Knoxville business man
who collaborated with Mayor Randy Tyree to bring the fair to Knoxville.
I can't remember this man's name at the moment but he owned one of the
largest banks in Tennessee and built the largest building in Knoxville's
skyline right before the fair opened.  This man DID become insolvent
and took a number of people down with him.  He ran away to Florida and
bought a new home with some money that he had hidden from the authorities.
He was eventually caught and prosecuted.  It seems he had made a large
number of loans to friends and relatives whom could never repay the loans.
This eventually caught up with him and was a significant factor in his 
demise.  I remember he had a large house on a hill overlooking the Clinch
river just outside of Oak Ridge.  This was nothing short of a mansion
equipped with guest house and all.  He lost all of it.  This could be the
person you are calling Hooker, but there were several people involved in
all of this so he may be one of those.  The name is familiar but I can't
place it.

Could anyone add to this or straighten me out on a few blurry points?  Also,
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone in Oak Ridge or who has spent time
there in the past.

      ******************************************************************
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From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Jake Butcher
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:24:21 -0500

Another one of the characters mixed up in the Knoxville World's Fair was a 
guy named Jesse Barr.  I don't recall what his exact tie-in with the Butcher
brothers was, but he went to jail too.  There was also another Butcher involved
by the name of Butch Butcher.  He was the son of one of the brothers.

I was living in Knoxville at the time this all came out in the papers, and it
was pretty fascinating to see the story unfold day-by-day; I don't remember
much of it now, though.
From: goetzj@carn16.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Rodney's trick and YMCA contest(results please)
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:58:23 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

Tomass is right that Rodney's trick in the Plan B video is a half flip to  
casper tail slide. Would the man who is going to see the pros skate at the  
YMCA please post any contest results and tricks as soon as possible  
because I don't feel like for a month or two to hear about it in the  
magazines
	Justin
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From: goetzj@pell4l6.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz)
Subject: Re:Style(was Re: Cars);
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:47:27 GMT

Speaking of old style boards, my friend just got the new Rick Howard and  
boy is the shape looking OTD(old timers diseased). On the good side it is  
a nice flipper shape and is pretty lite just  it looks fuct up.

		Justin
From: trunz@inf.ethz.ch (Paul Martin Trunz)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Cars
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:09:14 GMT
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

Hi netskaters,

two weeks ago I bought a new board, It's a great feeling to skate on
Indys again (Trackers before ...), but what I actually want to tell
is another story.

While still travelling with the new board (unmounted) in the hand, my
old board was run over by a car. (Stupid me, got stuck at a little sidewalk
after crossing the street.)
The car went over the board in the middle and dragged it some distance,
but surprisingly the board did not break !  In fact I had to rearrange
the trucks to go (almost ...) straight again, but that was it.

Do skate-boards regularly stand this kind of treatement ?

	have fun on a board

							Patru
-- 
creating a suitably witty signature
is left as a hexercise to the reader.

						Patru
From: mlj@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Michael Ledet Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Know him?
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:38:35 GMT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)


  Hey Dirt Boy, I noticed that you were from Baltimore.  I have a friend 
Scott Johnston that lives somewhere around there.  Do you know him?  He 
was in a recent TWS or Thrasher doing a double kickflip over a hip.  
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From: dirtboy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Matthew B Gross)
Subject: Re: happy good 4 years by a new president
Summary: New TWS
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:39:37 GMT

Wow.  All I wanted to say was that I'm glad I saw my friend Jim Gagney in
the Trick Tips section of the new (as far as I know) TWS.  I was also glad
to see a friend of my friend, Bob Puleo, in that same area.  That's all.  If
anyone has ever heard of these guys, please tell me.

Dirt Boy

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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Death (was Re: Style (was Re: Cars))
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:26:32 GMT

In article <92315.001655TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> Thomas G. Hopkins  
<TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I will kill all of you.

Going to shock us to death with witty messages?
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: jthoft@nyx.cs.du.edu (janne thoft)
Subject: LONDON SKATERS WANTED
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:34:22 GMT

Any London skaters reading this ?
Please write in and let me know what's going on over there.
I've just returned after a year in the wonderful city, and I'm
"home sick". I miss just about everybody, so I'm desperate for some 
news. Any broken bones ect....

  Hope to hear from somebody soon
                                                 Janne

P.s It's GLIFBERG, but yeah, Rune is an exelent skater, with a very
fine eksamble of an attitude. 


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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: happy good 4 years by a new president
Originator: tphailey@c00161-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:08:25 GMT


>What exactly was that maneuver that Rodney Mullen did in Plan B where he
>did a half-flip to some sort of upside-down board slide on the tail over
>that curb?

I think it's a half-flip tail slide to casper. I dunno, I'm no great skater
but some of my friends are and that's what they say. Anyway, Rodney did a 
number of them at the demo and boy was he a nice guy....as for Rudy and the
rest, they didn't want to skate cuz they thought the ramps were too big. Those
picky pros...

TOMASS
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller)
Subject: Re: happy good 4 years by a new president
Organization: SKaters At Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.000825.17713@ncsu.edu> tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY) writes:
>
>>What exactly was that maneuver that Rodney Mullen did in Plan B where he
>>did a half-flip to some sort of upside-down board slide on the tail over
>>that curb?
>
>I think it's a half-flip tail slide to casper. I dunno, I'm no great skater
>but some of my friends are and that's what they say. Anyway, Rodney did a 

	Last I heard, Rodney was calling them half-flip to casper tail
slide.  He tried them on this island at Kendall Square but the gaps
between the bricks were throwing him off.  I hear he has since
perfected them.

>number of them at the demo and boy was he a nice guy....as for Rudy and the

	Ain't he though?  In fact he's so nice he's flying out to MIT
this weekend to do a demo for SKAMIT.  Well, not just to do a demo,
mostly to hang out and relax.

>rest, they didn't want to skate cuz they thought the ramps were too big. Those
>picky pros...
>
>TOMASS

	When the Plan B/Blind tour hit Boston, Rodney was the only one
who skated.  Those LAME pros...  I mean, jeez, what the hell is the
point of touring if you're not gonna skate at the demos?  By the looks
of the bills in the new Plan B ad, the point is to wreck as much hotel
property as possible...

	Once again, Boston area skaters: Rodney Mullen will likely be
doing a short demo at MIT Friday night.  Details supplied to
interested people once the facts are ironed out.  Email me.

				--Halloween Jack.

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