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From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 1.5.2 errors
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:09:14 GMT

Danny W. McCampbell writes
> In article <BuA6zH.9Iz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mpcg9397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark  
) writes:
> > 
> > I couldn't get any applications to run on my Mac IIsi with ver 1.5.2  
installed
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> I run 1.5.2 on my CI without any problems so far.

Me too, but there is ONE other problem... :)
I use a 13" Apple RGB (don't we all? :) and the dialog boxes for things like  
Empty Trash are truncated (as though they had been moved to the upper  
left-hand corner of the screen), so that I can only see part of it. It's not  
a big deal, as it's still quite functional, but this is annoying.. I won't  
install it on other people's machines until this is fixed (because it bugs  
the hell out of them, IN SPITE of its advantages).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu (Sean White)
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 1.5.2 errors
Reply-To: moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: su
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:28:45 GMT

In article <BuA6zH.9Iz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mpcg9397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark  
) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep8.160322.7779@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Robert  
Rumpf,
> >rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>   ** Lots of problems with SpeedyFinder**
> Mark

I haven't had any problem running it on a PB100 2/20 or on a Mac IIcx.
Matter of fact, it has been great.  
--
Sean Michael White
moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu	"I'm bein' followed by a Moonshadow"

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Re: 32 bit Quickdraw on a Plus----NOT
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:30:17 GMT
Organization: ISCA

In article <1992Sep8.150041.1@idicl1.idi.battelle.org> sschechter@idicl1.idi.battelle.org writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.144322.17454@unlinfo.unl.edu>, dcheenne@unlinfo.unl.edu (Dominique J. Cheenne) writes:
>> There has been a couple of post lately about netters willing to add the
>> 32-bit Quickdraw software to the System folder of their Pluses or Se's.
>> (standard or accelerated).
>> 
>> Can this work? I fail to see how an SE of Plus ROM can manage this task
>> with their 3 bit Quickdraw definition..?
>
>   Well, the answer is pretty much NO. The problem is that Color Quickdraw
>(from which I believe part of 32 bit QD was built) was written when the
>Mac II came out and it was assumed that all future machines, and hence
>all machines that could run color, were to be at least 68020 machines.
>So...color quickdraw, and 32 bit quickdraw, require at least a 68020
>processor at this point. Since QUICKDRAW GX (the new sexy graphics environment
>due out next year) WILL WORK ON THE 68000 (!!!!) apple has said (last I heard)
>that it has no plans of upgrading Color Quickdraw to work on the 68000.
>   I would also assume that they don't support machines running ancient ROMS
>(under the assumption that any machine running a new processor must at
>least have a color quickdraw ROM, like the SE/30 and all other machines
>since the mac plus, so they wouldn't put the color quickdraw code needed
>into the 32 bit QD code), but of this I'm not sure. It might just be possible
>to run 32 bit quickdraw on an accelerated plus or SE...but I doubt it!


This is EXTREMELY wishful thinking :-) but will Quickdraw GX result in any
speed increase for drawing (especially bitmap fonts in a terminal program) to
the screen on a Plus?  That would be reason enough for me to move from System
6.0.5 to System 7.1 right there...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 1.5.2 errors
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In article <1992Sep8.160322.7779@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Robert Rumpf,
rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>I have had problems getting SpeedyFinder7 1.5.2 to work properly on my 
>PowerBook.  I get lots of "The Application Unknown has quite
unexpectedly" 
>messages on bootup, which is when Shadowriter Backgrounder starts up.  I
didn't
>have this problem with SpeedyFinder7 1.5.  Is the author online
somewhere?

Me too.  Although with different applications.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just emulate it.
Keywords: n
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:54:37 GMT


Hey, why don't we call it dareware ! ;)

Alex.
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From: Andrew.Brennan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Andrew Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Share-able applications?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:35:14 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


      Ok - I'm trying to setup RevRDist and began thinking about 
   moving as many of the infrequently used applications as possible
   to the file server.  But, I have this vague memory of reading a
   note here about SuperPaint not working well this way.

      Anyone confirm this?  I'm thinking of moving SuperPaint,
   Kaleidagraph, PageMaker (maybe) and perhaps Excel - leaving both
   WordPerfect and MacWrite II and our assortment of CAI programs.

      andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)
   
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff)
Subject: Re: Apple 13inch colour monitor
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.032140.16582@leland.Stanford.EDU>, Stuart Cheshire
<cheshire@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> 
> I have a 13 inch Apple colour monitor, and the case is much deeper than I
> had expected it to be, so when I put it on my desk, with it pushed all the
> way back against the wall as far as it will go, the screen is still closer
> to my face than I would like it to be. I don't have room to move the desk
> a long way back from the wall to make space behind it.
> 
> To make matters worse, the plug on the end of the Apple monitor cable is
> large, and the cable is quite stiff, so that forces the monitor to be
> another three inches closer. That might not sound like much, but with the
> monitor almost against your nose, those three unnecessary inches are very
> irritating.
> 

I know many people that have the monitor backed up against the wall, and
would love to have a extra couple of inches. I have long wondered why Apple
(or someone else) doesn't come out with a cable with a right angle
connector. 

Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: bolstad@blad.rtpnc.epa.gov (Mark Bolstad)
Subject: Font Formats (Type 1 / TrueType)
Originator: bolstad@blad.rtpnc.epa.gov
Organization: US EPA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:25:32 GMT


Can somebody point/mail/post info on the formats of the
Type 1 and TrueType font resource formats.  I know
that APDA has the TT info, but was hoping I could find
it somewhere else.

Thanks,
Mark Bolstad

bolstad@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov
From: gei@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Guenther Eichhorn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Fonts for astronomy
Keywords: astronomy,fonts
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:55:45 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


Does anybody know of something like that.  I am looking for a sun symbol, a moon symbol and
the symbols for the planets (and others that I can't think of right now).
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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From: morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten Kjeldgaard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Downloading PostScript to laserprinter
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:24:49 GMT
Organization: Kemisk Institut, Aarhus Universitet
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Hi, everyone,

Unfortunately, SendPS 2.0 has stopped working since I upgraded to system
7.0.
Is there an alternative program to download PostScript to the
laserprinter?? That LaserWriter tool from Apple works, but is terrible.
It ties up everything and doesn't make use of the background printing.

/Morten
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PowerBook 160: availability, price, etc.
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:22:28 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: mathew@mantis.co.uk's message of 8 Sep 92 11:58:27 GMT

In article <547RqB17w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

   Well, good luck.  I hope you don't suffer from the hard disk problem... it
   seems a number of PowerBooks had dodgy hard drive mechanisms fitted. 
   Symptoms include periodic whining and buzzing noises whenever the drive is
   spinning (even if it's not doing anything).  My PB100's hard drive had to be
   replaced.  The engineer said they'd had several in with the same problem.

The machine arrived this morning, and seems fine.

For the money I saved over the UK price, I could always buy a replacement
hard disk anyway. :-)

Nick.
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From: collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Minimal startup without finder ???
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:38:05 GMT
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA

I am nearly too embarrassed to ask this, but I need to know 
ASAP, so I will just embarrass myself anyway: 
how do I create a system 6 start-up disk without a finder?
My formatting utility is too large to fit onto an 800 k disk
with system and finder, so I just want to boot up straight 
from the utility. How do I do this?
Any help will be appreciated!!
Cheers,

Thomas     COLLET@SCRIPPS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com>
Subject: quicken for mac
Reply-To: "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:41:22 EST

Alex Rousseau writes:

-> one (I could see that one coming from prretty far), but that each
-> computer indeed has its fortes and the IBM none (save for Quicken).

-> One thing our little friend here forgets to mention is that DOS
-> stinks, looks ugly, does not multitask and that it belongs to the
-> 80s. Until the PowerPC comes along, there is nothing in the world
-> that will make me touch those ugly big fat ...things..., unless I
-> need Quicken. Ah!

Why don't you get the Mac version of Quicken?
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From: paul_sample@lvhd.ece.drexel.edu (Paul Sample)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:13:53 GMT
Organization: E.C.E. Drexel University
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In article <ewright.715999347@convex.convex.com> Edward V. Wright,
ewright@convex.com writes:
>In <0efEbii00WB311oHYp@andrew.cmu.edu> Faisal Nameer Jawdat
<fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

Shut up!
From: leue@crd.ge.com (Bill Leue)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Conway's "Life" for the Mac
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:50:50 GMT
Reply-To: leue@crd.ge.com
Organization: General Electric Research & Development

Also, the More After Dark package from Berkeley has a Life module written
by the inimitable Ben Haller.

BTW, CA enthusiasts in this group may have also been reading the series
of articles in comp.theory.cell-automata on new kinds of spaceships that
have recently been discovered.  It would be really neat if some enterprising
freeware/shareware author would write a research-oriented Life CA app for
the mac.  By "research-oriented" I mean one with a good pattern editor which
allows you to create and recall macro patterns for large objects, locate
objects precisely on the grid, put down locator lines to help align objects,
allow grouping, flipping, mirroring of objects, etc.  Even better would be
one with built-in pattern search capabilities that could be programmed with
some kind of scripting language.  Oh well, I guess if I want it badly
enough, I'll have to write it myself...

-Bill Leue
leue@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Autodoubler 2.0
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 16:39:17 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <92250.234352U59985@uicvm.uic.edu> U59985@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Here are some news on AutoDoubler 2.0 for those who are interested.
>
>AD 2.0 will compress/decompress about 25% faster than 1.07.
>AD 2.0 will come with CopyDoubler. This is an extension that will allow the use
>r to copy files in the Finder about 2-3 times faster. It will also allow the co
>pying of files without decompressing them first.

Will this be manual (like DD's copy files) or automatic?

>AD 2.0 will also allow compressed applications/inits/cdevs to be run on systems
> without AD 2.0 - This is similar to More Disk Space.

Compressed resources in System 7's compression format, perhaps?


Any more about the hardware compression board?  Will it ever be
supported again?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: System 7 BUG: Mac Plus keyboard flaw
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:29:06 GMT

leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.123633.1@vax1.tcd.ie> fsullivn@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>>                          IMPORTANT BUG IN SYSTEM 7

>>              Conflict between System 7 and Mac Plus keyboards.

>>The command-right_arrow combination seems to be the main visible effect of this
>>problem.

>	This is _NOT A BUG_!!

>	The MacPlus keyboard returns a different set of "codes" for the 
>arrow keys than ADB keyboards do.  Since the MacPlus is not longer a shippping
>product, most application software does not support the "odd" arrow key
>sequences generated by the Plus keyboard.

While I agree that it isn't _really_ a bug, it is an incompatibility
which Apple should have at least noted in some documentation (Tech
Note?  System 7 manual?).  Along with the 'reasoning' behind whatever
design decision led to NCSA Telnet not being able to re-map option to
control in System 7.

Again, just to be clear.  I agree that Apple shouldn't have to support
each & every permutation of Macintosh ever designed, but I do feel
that there should be some documentation of the decisions which lead to
incompatibilities between the system software and older (but still
viable) Macintosh models.

	-=Alan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ntc@doc.ic.ac.uk (N T Cheung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.editors
Subject: Re: good vi editor for the mac
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:17:11 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak4.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <23284@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> root@lyra.hac.com (Dave Fisher) writes:

>Let me illustrate a couple of vi examples for the benefit of the non-Unix 
>literate:
>
>1. I'm editing a file on machine X.  I need a line of text from another
>   ... "rsh machine-y grep keyword filename"
>
>2. Someone gives me a file which contains a list of 1000 birdnames, as well
>   ...grep birdname birdfile
>   ..."!}sh" at the top of this "paragraph".  Each line will now
>   be replaced by the corresponding description.
>
>3. I wish to sort from line 500 to line 1000, using the 3rd word in each
>   line as the sorting key.  I type 500G!500+sort +3.  Done.
>
These are great examples of exactly why GUIs were invented.  How many people
in the world could do the things you mentioned above?  How often would most
computer users ever want to do these things?  I have been hacking
around computers for quite a while now, and using UNIX for the last few months,
but I would have had no idea how to construct those commands.

VI and CLIs may be great for the computer literate elite, but the majority
of people do not want to spend the time and effort to master these arcane
interfaces.

>
>Vi is also quick to use, once learned well, because your hands don't have

There it is:  "once learned well".  How long does it take to learn VI well?
Is it possible to learn VI simply by using it a lot?  No!  You have to read
some sort of manual, and then practice a lot as well.

To get back to the track of this thread:

Why do people always denigrate the MPW editor?  I think it is a very powerful
editor indeed.  What is wrong with it?

Tseung
From: Eric.Choi@p5.f57.n7000.z8.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: RE: AppleSingle file emailed from AppleLink?
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:11:23 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7000/57.5 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI

The new Stuffit Lite and I presume Stuffit Deluxe 3.0 can unpack Applelink
files.
Also I think the image files used on Applelink are glue files. Viewer is a
freeware
you should be able to use to view these image files?
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From: Eric.Choi@p5.f57.n7000.z8.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: Mac Zone experiences?
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7000/57.5 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:28:32 GMT

They are almost as good as MacConnection. Same $3.00 flat fee for overnight
Airborne Express and money back guarantee on most items. They have Saturday
delivery for $3.00 also.

Now I shop between MacConnection (still my favorite), MacWarehouse and
MacZone,
especially since they don't stock different products in addition to the
popular
ones. MacZone seems to be more agressive in pricing lately. They had an extra
5% off special in August and I ordered a Supra 1.4K modem package for $350.00
or so.

In summary, MacZone is safe.
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From: root@lyra.scg.hac.com (Dave Fisher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.editors
Subject: Re: good vi editor for the mac
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: root@lyra.hac.com (Dave Fisher)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <65734@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
]> Keyboard macros
]> Toggle words
]> Execute other program
]> Towers of Hanoi (OK, OK)
]
]If you people could learn to write good code on the first try, you wouldn't
]need all those features.  A fancy editor is a sign of a weak programmer.

Oh, that's just silly.  There are plenty of good uses for a powerful editor
such as vi or emacs.  And not all of them even relate to programming.

Let me illustrate a couple of vi examples for the benefit of the non-Unix 
literate:

1. I'm editing a file on machine X.  I need a line of text from another
   file on machine Y.   I type "rsh machine-y grep keyword filename", then
   hit the q key, which is mapped to a sequence (!!sh) which will then run this
   line of text as a command, then return the output INTO my file.  Presto,
   this other line of text is now in my file.  My fingers never leave the
   keyboard.

2. Someone gives me a file which contains a list of 1000 birdnames, as well
   as a bunch of text paragraphs.  I wish to replace each line which
   contains a birdname with a one line description of the bird, which I have
   in another file.  I use range-based substitution to change each line to:

   grep birdname birdfile

   Then I type "!}sh" at the top of this "paragraph".  Each line will now
   be replaced by the corresponding description.

3. I wish to sort from line 500 to line 1000, using the 3rd word in each
   line as the sorting key.  I type 500G!500+sort +3.  Done.

The point is, vi (or emacs) are very powerful to a large degree because
they can be *extended* with other programs (Emacs can be extended directly).
This is a bit like the "plug-in software module" concept which we will
hopefully be seeing more of on the Mac soon.

Vi is also quick to use, once learned well, because your hands don't have
to continually leave the keyboard to visit a mouse or keypad (EDT users
you know who you are).  But it is painful to learn.  I've found it to
be well worth the investment.

I will grant, BTW, that vi is much less powerful/useful in the absence of
Unix.  Speaking of which, here's my two cents on the original question:
if you want a really good implementation of vi for the Mac, the only way 
I know of to get it is to get AUX.

Dave Fisher fisher@lyra.hac.com
From: Gordon_Sumerling@itd.dsto.gov.au (Gordon Sumerling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Questions on binhex and ftp
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:14:35 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division

An easy suggestion for the bihex problem is to obtain a copy of the 
Hypercard ftp progam Hyper ftp. Part of its functionality is to convert a 
binhex'ed file to an un binhexed file while ftp'ing to your mac. I believe 
it is public domain soft ware. The only problem is it is also bihexed on 
the anonymous ftp sites. If you can get hold of it, it is very good

Gordon
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