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From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: Lowrider front racks with full-size panniers
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:35:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

sacks@spartan.mv.us.adobe.com (Joel Sacks) writes:
> I plan on doing some bike touring next year on a tandem.  One quickly figures
> out that a tandem has rougly half the carrying capacity of a single bike as
> far as luggage goes, so one option I'm considering is putting full-size rear
> panniers on the front, and storing the lightest, bulkiest things there 
(fleece > jackets, windbreakers, aluminum pot etc).  First, is this physically
> possible? > (with or without lowrider racks), and second, is it a good idea?



     We've made two European tours on our tandem, fully loaded and self
     supported. We have a Blackburn rack in the back and a Blackburn
     Low Rider rack in the front. Each rack held a set of full size 
     panniers. We had a large "rack sack" that fit on top of the rear
     rack and a Cannondale "Quick Release" bag on the front handlebars.
     This easily supported our two week tour ( laundromats are also very
     necessary).
  


>  I've heard some people say that the front rack should be heaviest, but 
>  this doesn't make sense to me, and the majority of opinions I've heard 
>  say to keep the front end lighter.  I guess I'm also open to suggestions 
>  about the lowrider concept, since again I've heard differing opinions.  
>  Thanks for any info any of you can provide.  Experience with tandems 
>  especially appreciated.

    
     We didn't pay much attention to weight distribution. I had the bags
     on the right side and my wife had the left side. The bike feels
     different with and without the loads, but it never felt unstable.
     I do think that it is a good idea to keep the weight low in front,
     in order to minimize any adverse effects upon handling. My experience
     is that the bike gets more truck-like, rather than more squirrely.


  
                                                          Arnie
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.fitness
From: steveg@access.digex.com (Stephen Grant)
Subject: Winter Warmth: Lycra Vs. Everything else
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:34:46 GMT

Howdy folks. I am gearing up to exercise and also ride some
now that the weather is getting a little more chilly. This is
really my first winter/fall where I have exercised outdoors
alot. My question is the following. Does lycra (such as the
running and cycling tights - both long and short) have any
distinct warmth advantages? Is it warmer than average materials
such as sweats and those nylon running suits? Would lycra
be acceptable as an outdoor 'warmer', or should it be used
in conjuction with something else?

All responses welcomed.. thanks

Steve

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:23627 rec.motorcycles:38616
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Spinning The Globe
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:04:18 GMT
Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ale.japan.sun.com

In article <BxBBz6.6D5@willamette.edu> mjaneba@willamette.edu \
(Mark Janeba) writes:
%
% -math literacy strikes again!
%


    Nope, Tod strikes again!


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 32 Winter clothing and sweat
Organization: Motorola
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:41:57 CST

>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>  Hi all,

>  question about riding in the winter and winter clothing.  I recently
>purchased some riding clothes and the local neighbourhood bike shop so
>can continue my cycling in the winter.  The long-sleeved shirt I bought
>is made of 65% of some man-made substance or other, 25% cotton and 10%
>wool.  However, I have noted that whenever I stop for a break, and whil
>sweating, after about 5 minutes I really start to freeze.  Seems my
>sweat is indeed being absorbed by the shirt but the wetness of the shir,
>lying on my back starts giving me the chills, again after taking a brea.
>Is this normal?  Or, have I just bought a lousy shirt?  Is the material
>at fault?  Any suggestions/thoughts are welcome.  Thanks in advance.

Yep, you bought a lousy shirt!  Try a polypro turtleneck (they come in
several weights) under a wool jersey, and enjoy.  The polypro will
wick the moisture away from your skin and into the wool jersey, where
it will evaporate.  I've done lots of outdoor activities that left
my outer layer drenched, while I'm dry and toasty on the inside.
One thing to note about polypro.... it is pretty good at smell
retention (although newer versions are getting better).  This could
be an advantage in a race, though.  Nobody is going to want to
draft you if you!

Mark (Pheeeeewwwwww) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.fitness,rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Winter Warmth: Lycra Vs. Everything else
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:20:56 GMT

In article <BxGx9z.Cuw@access.digex.com> steveg@access.digex.com (Stephen Grant) writes:
>Howdy folks. I am gearing up to exercise and also ride some
>now that the weather is getting a little more chilly. This is
>really my first winter/fall where I have exercised outdoors
>alot. My question is the following. Does lycra (such as the
>running and cycling tights - both long and short) have any
>distinct warmth advantages? Is it warmer than average materials
>such as sweats and those nylon running suits? Would lycra
>be acceptable as an outdoor 'warmer', or should it be used
>in conjuction with something else?
>
>All responses welcomed.. thanks
>
>Steve
>

The main advantage of lycra tights is that they cost next to nothing to
make.  Obviously, this is not an advantage to the consumer.

But, once manufacturers and distributors have convinced consumers to
pay $(old cost of decent woollen tights)-~10 for lycra tights, they
would then have to charge some multiple of the price of lycra tights
for it to be "profitable" to sell woollen tights.  Or something like
that.

Are there any consumer mail-order sources of woollen cycling clothing
in New Zealand that can handle overseas orders?  I hear wool is easily
available there, and relatively cheap.

Baa! Humbug!

Adrian.
arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca

Of course, I guess woollen cycling tights end up being even more
expensive since they must be made from the wool of black sheep, which
are somewhat rare.  8-)
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Double-butted spokes?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:

>Less is better. Put on a cheap wheel (steel rims?). It's a difference you
>can feel.

Shhhhh, better not let Eric hear you say that.  You may be able to taste,
see, smell, or hear the difference, but you sure as hell can't feel
the difference.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:23611 rec.bicycles.marketplace:1019 rec.bicycles.tech:1767
From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Maillard Helico-Matic Freewheels?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov5.224354.8532
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <022b02ap2a2201@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jdr40@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.223724.23639@cypress.com> mjl@cypress.com (Mike La Bouff) writes:
>>I have a 1984 vintage Maillard Helico-Matic rear hub that I am trying to locate
>>a freewheel for.  Apparently these were discontinued by Maillard in the late 80's
>>and are no where to be found here in the S.F. Bay area.  I have considered buying
>>a new wheel/freewheel, but it is out of my budget.
>

I have a helicomatic freewheel in very good condition.  It has about 300 miles
of use on it.  I don't recall the size exactly but I believe it is 13-24.
If you are interested let me know.  I figure $15 + shiping is reasonable.
If you don't agree make me an offer.
--------------
Alex Rodriguez
Columbia University
New York City
From: mev@fc.hp.com (Mike Vermeulen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Need Map Ideas
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:00:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BxMtL8.1J5
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

>I'm planning a ride across the US next summer from California to Ohio.  I
>would appreciate any ideas for routes anyone has used and where you got them.

I cycled across the US during summer '92.  My approach to maps and routes
was as follows:
   1. During the winter prior to the trip, I used the PC program,
      "automap" to generate a rough route with the via points I was
      interested in (you can adjust some parameters so that it avoids
      interstates, etc).
   2. I spent time in the library looking at 1:100,000 scale maps,
      for 'critical' parts of the trip, e.g. chosing my mountain passes.
      I also looked at general road atlases and AAA state guides of
      attractions.
   3. Steps #1 and #2 gave me a *tentative route* which I modified as I saw
      fit on a daily basis.  For example, I sometimes asked folks about
      various roads, and altered things slightly based on their answers.
      I also used this in part to pick my way past some larger cities.
   4. My stopping points were not picked in advance, each morning I'd
      pick a set of potential stops (e.g. at 70,100,120 and 140 miles) and
      then see where I ended up.

Mike Vermeule
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mcdono@nosc.mil (Tim McDonough CSC Room 191 Phone 553 3102 )
Subject: Wanted: MTB rides in Sedona
Keywords: MTB Sedona
Reply-To: mcdono@nosc.mil
Organization: NCCOSC, NRaD Division
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:24:20 GMT

Subject says it all. I'll be traveling to sedona sometime soon
Dec - Mar and would like to ride. MTB w/ girlfriend, nothing
too killer.

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Computer Sciences Corp.         |   do not reflect those of my employer
mcdono@sunspot.nosc.mil         |   or the Susquehanna Hat Company.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Ruta de Santiago
From: iqan0@cc.uab.es
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:45:35 +0200
Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona

Hi!
	Anyone out there that can help me?
	I am planning to do la Ruta de Santiago (Roncesvalles to
Santiago de Compostela) in 93 or 94.  I would like to do it on a
Mountain Bike.  Has anyone done this tour? Do you know of any
good books?
	Tarra,
	Francisco Valdes

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: allmen@achilles.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Allmen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Markleeville Death Ride
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:41:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

I'm looking for the route of the Markleeville Death Ride. Can someone who
knows tell me what it is. Thanks much.

		--Mark Allmen


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From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Hicks or Bust!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:04:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

>This post is for the Calif.,Bay Area riders who have tackled Hicks between
>Alamaden and Los Gatos.  I died the other day 7/8 of the way to the top, my
>excuse, but not to you animals, is 13-21 with a 39 in front.  

But which side of Hicks?  The steep (14%) side or the easy (10%) side?

Ray
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mac4@cec1.wustl.edu (Miguel Angel Cotignola)
Subject: help
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:08:32 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.bicicles.marketplace
Subject: Help
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Keywords: 

Hello:

I am a student a Washington Univ. at St. Louis, we just created the W.U.
Mountain Bike and we are looking for a cool designg or picture for the shirts.
Therefore if you have a design or a picture or something else, please send to
me.  We cannot pay, because we have no money from school at for this year.  But
I promised if we choose something from what you send you will get at leat a
free shirt.

					Thank you very much
					Miguel

	address: Miguel A. Cotignola
		6515 Wydown Box 3777
		St. Louis, MO, 63105
From: bruceh@mothra.rose.hp.com (Bruce Hendler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Need Map Ideas
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:21:50 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]


I'm planning a ride across the US next summer from California to Ohio.  I
would appreciate any ideas for routes anyone has used and where you got them.
E-mail responses are fine: bruceh@mothra.rose.hp.com

Thanks in advance,
Bruce
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From: urkastig@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert Kastigar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Looking for route, Chicago/Bilouxi
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:42:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Hi!  I'm looking for a little help getting a bike route. No doubt 
there are many here who could contribute something.  

Broadly, I'm going from Chicago, IL to Bilouxi, Miss.  I'm 
not planning to go until June of 1993, and I would like to
travel roughly (I'm not locked into anything) down the center
of Illinois, and then follow (roughly) the Mississippi to
New Orleans (roughly) and then along the coast to the 
Bilouxi/Golfport area (where I have relatives and can sponge
for a while. ) 

I'm planning on flying back, so if anybody has any suggestions
for this, I'm open.  

I plan on travelling alone, and my idea of 'roughing it' is 
motels with blank-and-white TV's <-g->, although I plan
to take a tent and sleeping bag, either as emergency measures
or to hold down the cost.  

I'm looking for the flattest routes.  I'm not a mountain biker,
and I'd just as soon avoid the hills if I could, please!

You can send me email at urkastig@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu, I'll
summarize, and will post a complete report next July!

Any other comments or suggestions anyone would like to make
would be cheerfuly read and appreciated!
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.rides:410 soc.culture.czecho-slovak:469
From: c60b-3fw@web-1h.berkeley.edu (Jason Swierk)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: czechoslovakia ride
Date: 8 Nov 1992 22:33:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-1h.berkeley.edu

i have a friend who's somewhat interested in getting a group of people to tour
czechoslovakia, and maybe eastern europe (the safe parts)

if anyone is interested in doing this over the summer, please e-mail HIM, not me,
at:
	telegram@cats.ucsc.edu

his name is kevin, and right now he's just sending out feelers to gauge interest.

do not e-mail me.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Africa bike ride
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:07:45 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I think that this is of interest to this newsgroup:

	MINNEAPOLIS (UPI) -- Minnesota bicyclists Dan and Steve Buettner leave
Wednesday to begin a 10,000-mile trek from the north coast of Africa to
the continent's southern tip.
	The two brothers, ages 32 and 27, have an impressive resume of
previous long-distance travels, having biked 15,536 miles from Alaska to
Tierra del Fuego in 1987 and 12,888 miles around the world, loosely
along the 46th parallel, in 1990.
	Joining them on their latest adventure will be Dr. Chip Thomas, 35,
of Arizona. Two Africans, Mobolaji Oduyoye of Nigeria and Mike Mpyangu
of Uganda, will take turns with them, as well.
	The trip is to start late this month at Bizerte, Tunisia. From there,
they head to Lagos, Nigeria, and from there to Cape Aguilhas, South
Africa. They will cover 1,200 miles of the Sahara Desert and peddle over
the 19,340-foot Mt. Kilimanjaro. They won't reach their destination
until June.
	To help keep them on track, they will carry hand-held satellite
location finders.
	They also will carry nylon bags holding 20 liters of purified water.
``If we get diarrhea on this trip, we're history,'' Dan Buettner said.
	``The U.S. consul says this is like the seventh circle of Dante's
inferno. But if you follow their advisories, you'd never go to any
country in Africa.''
	The dangers extend beyond the climate and regional wars, he said.
	``Everybody thinks taking a stray bullet in a war or getting hacked
to death with machetes is the problem, but the biggest danger is
traffic,'' he said. ``Statistically speaking, mile for mile, it's safer
biking across Africa than biking home from work. On May 29, 1990, we
were in an earthquake and the same day in a riot, and yet the closest we
came to death was stupid cars.''
	Dolly Buettner takes some of the blame for her son Dan's wanderlust.
	``One night he was getting out of line,'' she said. ``And I said,
'Why don't you go out and ride your bike around the block?' And he did,
and he never stopped.''


-- 
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 From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles,soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides

Having done most of the Pyrenean cols on a mountain bike, I always find it 
amusing to watch Le Tour do the same climbs at about 4-5 times the speed of
my own ascents. 

Given that Tdf racers aren't allowed to lie by the road for rests, it's hard to
translate racing categories of climb to touring grades.

A major factor in climb difficulty is the number of cafes on the route.
For example, Tourmalet isn't too bad at the beginning but then there's a 
stretch from Super-Bareges to the top of the Col with nowhere to buy cappucino 
and chocolate croissants. Of course, there is a good restaurant at the top 
where you can slob out, wave at other cyclists or leave your panniers while
you take the side road up to Pic du Midi (2877m). This is a Hors Categoire 
climb I believe.

Col du Marie Blanque is only at Cat 1 climb but I would personally rate it
as harder: there are no opportunities to carbo load all the way up! We were
planning to breakfast in the patisserie in the village on the Western end, 
but horrified to discover there was none. There isn't anywhere at the top 
either. 

Personally I think all climbs should be assessed as to both steepness and 
number of cafes. After all -you are there to enjoy yourself!

	-Steve "Roi des Restaurants" Loughran
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,talk.bizarre,alt.non.sequitur
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: help
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.180832.28985@wuecl.wustl.edu> mac4@cec1.wustl.edu (Miguel Angel Cotignola) writes:
>Hello:
>
>I am a student a Washington Univ. at St. Louis, we just created the W.U.
>Mountain Bike and we are looking for a cool designg or picture for the shirts.
>Therefore if you have a design or a picture or something else, please send to
>me.  We cannot pay, because we have no money from school at for this year.  But
>I promised if we choose something from what you send you will get at leat a
>free shirt.

Knowing that I'll do anything for a free t-shirt, how about:


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You could put him on a bike to make it appropriate.

mdw

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From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun ))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Need Map Ideas
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:33:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Nov12.173359.17402
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

bruceh@mothra.rose.hp.com (Bruce Hendler) writes:


>I'm planning a ride across the US next summer from California to Ohio.  I
>would appreciate any ideas for routes anyone has used and where you got them.
>E-mail responses are fine: bruceh@mothra.rose.hp.com

You should contact the organization known as Bikecentennial "The Bicycle
Travel Association".  They are in the business of making maps for cross
country bicyclists.  These maps also include information on eating and
sleeping accomodations found along the route.  

You may contact them by calling (406) 721-1776 or by writing to them at:

P.O. Box 8308
Missoula, MT 59807

You need not be a member to order their maps, books, or bicycle tourist
supplies.  If you do join, they pay the shipping on anything you order
and you also receive a monthly publication (which I enjoy thoroughly)
dedicated to bicycle touring.


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