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From: cyang@npd.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Which magazine is better?  Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:59:51 GMT

In article <yzhou.712003217@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>I support you. I'll switch from Time to Newsweek. 

>   Me too!


I doubt NEWSWEEK will be better and give us more accurate news than TIME will.

I liked U.S.News before I began to read TIME.

At least, I can learn some new words and enhance my English vocabulary
when I read TIME.


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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A Grad Student emotional check-list
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:22:48 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan) writes:
|> 
|> How true!!!! I was surprised that the guy at Purdue had to do the same
|> thing that I might be doing at Akron U. I thought those people at
|> better universities worked harded or had to work harder, I was wrong
|> and all seems natural this way. And what was amazing is that he/she
|> (most likely "he", "she" would be with her American boyfriend in bed..)
|> planned his day minute-wisely. I don't believe that was true but I do
|> understand that life sucks and it seems you can't do anything about it.
|> If you have a family then you may have some fun with your spouse or
|> kids. For a single unmarried guy like, this computer room-->apartment
|> -life is like pure hell. Some people would say "oh, why don't you find
|> a girlfriend?", here in US, you gotta be kidding. Back to China? 
|> (I am sure a lot of guys have done this, a quicky marrige in 30
|> days...), but you gotta
|> be resposible for youself, what if you got a piece of "junk" whom you
|> didn't realize in the 30 days you were with her at home in China....
|> 
|> 
|> What do ya think folks?

Well, I try to imagine what Ah Q may think in this situation.
I guess he may think this is the perfect environment to learn
the art of Ku3(hardship) Zhong1(among) Zuo4(create) Le4(fun).
But actually, I think the best part of Ah Q is that he really
doesn't think, he just acts, or he acts before he thinks, or ...

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:26:47 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

This is a forwarding of the excerpt of the Chicago Tribune article
currently being discussed on SCC, SCC standard disclaimer applies.

----------------------- Forwarding Begines ---------------------------
Date:    28-JUL-1992 10:59:05.49
>From: <***@*****.BITNET>
Subject: Chinese swimmers use drug?

................... It was originally a long news, I cut only those that
relate to Chinese swimmers.

  Please drop my neme if you decide to broadcast it.

================================================================
Source: Chicago Tribune,  July 27, 1992
By: Sharon Robb

BARCELONA, Spain-----The world-record holder Jenny Thompson, 19, of Dover,
N.H., set an Olympic record for the 100-meter freestyle in the preliminaries.
She was poised to improve on that in the finals, but finished second behind
China's Zhuang Yong, silver medalist at the 1988 Seoul Olympic games. Zhuang,
19, a student in Shanghai, broke Thompson's Olympic record of 54.69 with a
time of 54.64.

"I have waited four years for this," Zhuang said.

In the 400-meter individual medley, world champion Lin Li won China's second
medal of the evening with a silver by catching American sweetheart Summer
Sanders in the final 20 meters in 4:36.73.

Zhuang, meanwhile, was fifth after the morning preliminaries of the 100 free,
sending shock waves through the swimming world that China is sandbagging in
the prelims to avoid accusations of back-to-back drug-enhanced performances.

Both Zhuang and Lin are large, muscular swimmers with deep voices and acne
on their backs, characteristics of steroid abuse.

"It is always the accusation every time our team does well," Zhuang said
through an interpreter. "It is not true."

But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.

"There's no proof; they've never been caught." said Haislett, who finished
fourth in the 100-meter freestyle with a time of 55.17. "There's been
speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's nothing you can do
about it."

----------------------- End of the Forwarding --------------------------

Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A Dirty War (Was Re: No Dogs or Chineses)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:44:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.201631.25434@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.174340.6944@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>In article <13664@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>>>    In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu> (22 Jul 92)
>>>Chunde Shi writes,
>>>
>>>> 2. Another objective [of 1979 Sino-Vietnam Border War] was to stop Vietnam
>>>> abuse ethnic Chinese, which resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China
>>>> alone.
>>>
>>>    You'd better expand your source of information beyond the scope of your
>>>trusted People's Daily.  Do you know the Khmer Rouge had wiped out the ethnic
>>Autrocity commited by Khmer Rouge was during 1975-19079, China did not support
>>it as much after Vietname invasion. U.S. supported Khmer Rouge through
>>Thailand. China has nuetral position on Combodia issue.
Clarification:
 1. China supportted Khmer Rouge in full scale after vietname invasion;
 2. China took nuetral stands on _current_ Combodia issue.
>
>Sir, have you read anything after the Sino-Vietnam War. Well, maybe
>after Time's article about 60 swimming pools, anything can be the truth.
>
>Tingli Pan
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time Magazine -- China Has Only 60 Swimming Pools
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:19:19 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    Surely China has far more than 60 swimming pools.  After the Reddest
Sun Chairman Mao swam in the Yangzi in 1966 and issued the edict:

    "Go into winds and waves to build up your [revolutionary] wills!"

there is a fever of swimming-pool digging everywhere.  Right behind my home
(in China), there is a pool constructed in that time.  In summer it is packed
with hot bodies.  Sometime someone pees in water, failing to cut a path to
restroom within blade's grace time.  In winter, vegetables are salted there.
Local folklore says this swimming pool produces the best pickles in the town.
The legacy of thousands athlete's feet must have helped to turn up tonnes
more amino-acid.

     So the Time Magazine must be libelling our beloved China, correct?

     Don't derive your conclusion that quick.  The US libel law says the
key point is not the accuracy of a report, but whether a author has recklessly
spread something which he knew was false.  In legal term, it means that
you have to prove there exists "actual malice."

    In the end of 1984, there were two famous libel cases.  One is the
ex-U.S. Commander in Vietnam, General W. Westmoreland's $120 million libel
suit against CBS, the other is the ex-Defense Minister of Israel, Ariel
Sharon's $50 million libel case against Time Magazine.  By flashing a few
pieces of paper (sorts of secret document), the General and the ex-Defense
Minister easily proved that those journalists' stories were not accurate.
But they couldn't pin down the "actual malice."  And today we still see CBS
and Time bring in all the news not that pleasant to powerful big shots.

    So, boys, to be cool, real cool.  Instead of writing cheap sentiments
on sins of the Western media, you'd better ask the author what is his
source of data.  And check to see whether he possesses "actual malice."

    If you feel too hot, go to swimming.  In US, you should have no problem
to find a large, clean and a-few-persons-a-lane pool ...
From: SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Interview with Maoist in Peru
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:14:24 GMT

Available now, free by e-mail, excerpts from an interview
with Comrade Gonzalo from the Sendero Luminoso.

Also, can someone tell me how to post to talk.politics.china
if I don't have USENET? Thank you. Send msg. to
science@mitvma.mit.edu

--Maoist Internationalist Movement
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: glin@MEAVAX.NRRC.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Reply-To: glin@MEAVAX.NRRC.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:33:23 GMT

In article <l6ulgcINNhpp@alcor.usc.edu>, zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
>>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
>
>   The author must mean good and clean pools, matching international
>standard. How many pools you visited have 10 meter diving tower and
>hot shower?
	Swimming pools are swimming pools. They are not water ponds, 
they are not necessarily international standardized swimming pools 
with 10 meter diving towers either. They are man-made, can be filled,
emptied, refilled with freshwater. They are provided for people to 
swim, no matter how crowded people might be, no matter how strict the
regulations might be imposed, no matter how dirty the water might be,...  
	Why do you back up the author by guessing "must". If the author 
is not a fool, he/she is at least intentionally misleading the general 
public in the U.S. In a worst case, he/she MIGHT be spreading cold war 
propogada against China.
>
>>doesn't fit my experiences. China has more than 1000 colleges and 
>>universities, majority of whom should have a swimming pool just to 
>>support the phyisical education classes. Most cities have more than
>>5 swimming pools for public uses ( I know Lanzhou does and There are
>>more than 30 cities at the same level as Lanzhou).
>
>   Majority of them are 'urinal' pool, though some university do have
> good and clean swimming pool.
From: phung@ATTMAIL.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: HK: COMMEMORATION OF THE 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SINO-JAPANESE WAR
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:50:10 GMT

COMMEMORATION OF THE 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SINO-JAPANESE WAR IN HONG
KONG

On 7/7, the China Youth Service & Recreation Centre organized 
an event for the commemoration of the 55th Anniversary of the 
Sino-Japanese War in Hong Kong.  The event was co-sponsored by 
the Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union, the Chinese Alliance for
Commemoration of the Sino-Japanese War Victims, and several other
organizations.  It took place beside the Tsim Sha Tsui bell tower, 
with an excellent view of the Victoria Harbour and the Hong Kong Island.

The event started at about 8pm.  It was in the form of a variety
show.  Several celebrities including Mr. Szeto Wah, Mr. Andrew Tu
(chairman of the Chinese Alliance for Commemoration of the Sino-Japanese
War Victims), and Dr. Chan Yiu Nam (Chinese Dept, HKU) were invited to
say a few words about the event.  Among the speeches Mr. Tu's was the
most memorable. In fact it was interrupted a few times by the audience's
applause.  Mr. Tu talked about the importance of remembering the
Sino-Japanese War as a historical lesson.  In particular, he
mentioned that a Japanese friend recently said something heart-breaking
to him,"If you (Chinese) forget, are we (Japanese) going to remember?"

A total of 17 verterans who fought in the War were invited
and tribute was paid to them for their contribution.  Also on the
program were chrous performances of songs during the War, and a talk
show on the commemoration of the War.  The event ended with a climax
when a documentary (in Cantonese) produced by the China Youth Service &
Recreation Centre was shown.  The documentary gave an account of
Japan's aggression on China from the last century to the present --
it probably is one of the most comprehensive documentaries on the
subject.

The production of the event was truely professional.  The event attracted 
about two hundred audience and was a remarkable success.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:16:20 GMT


As the author of the original subject header I have seen the discussion evolve 
well beyond the content of my original posting.  Likewise, it has long since 
stopped involving either myself or Mr. Shi Chunde.  It would be best if the 
current participants choose a subject header more appropriate to the current 
content of this discussion.  Thank you.

Robert Sanders
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:16:19 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: 23 Jul 92  24:02 EST


          I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
          see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 

          I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
          think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
          and lively.  

          She has another book called "ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2," which
          has the profound sense of history.  And it comes from the
          beginning statement of 3 Guo:

              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4
               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong."

          (The earth still rotates, although sometimes we miss the
          sun).

          By the way, is Gone with Wind by women?  It is among the
          best books I have ever read.
From: byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu>, x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
> According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
> has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
> doesn't fit my experiences. China has more than 1000 colleges and 
> universities, majority of whom should have a swimming pool just to 
> support the phyisical education classes. Most cities have more than
> 5 swimming pools for public uses ( I know Lanzhou does and There are
> more than 30 cities at the same level as Lanzhou). The author was 
> full of ignorance and prejudice in the article. It's a typical cold
> war mentality kind of article. It claims that the Chinese athletes
> are state-sponsored while forgetting the U.S athletes are privately
> sponsored. The only difference is the source of sponsorship while
> the fundamental objective and results are the same. It claims the 
> kids are taken away from  their parents (forced) while the truth of
> the matter is that in almost all the cases the parents AND the kids
> willingly want the organized training. It claims that the athlets
> are illiterate where as the matter of the fact is that the atheletes
> still have regular grade school classes and they are no less illiterate
> than their U.S. counterpart.
> 
> Anyway, I think its a shame that a magazine like Time would publish
> pieces of crap like this. All concerned should write to Time to 
> correct this not-so-negligible error. 
> 

A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:24:38 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul29.165615.18099@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com  writes:
>
>You are right in part. The Civil War did not change the status of China just 
>like the Civil War did not change the status of Taiwan - a part of ROC. prc
>does not have any legal right on the territory of Taiwan. 

You are right in part. Taiwan is a part of China administrated by the
government Republic of CHINA.

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:47:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.153948.26769@ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>
>A typical steroid for muscle mass increase is male hormone.  The
>side effects are extra muscles (not being excised or needed by
>that sport), and the maleness of female users, such as deep voice
>throat bump (Hou2Jie2, what's the English name?) and male-like
>look.  Their monthly cycle and ovilation are changed, probably
>stopped.  With the male hormone, I don't think they are attracted
>to men or attractive to men.  Their marriage, child bearing ...
>After stopping steroid use, I'm not sure how long it takes for
>the male hormone to decrease and whether their bodies can become
>normal.  Most athletes gain weight after stopping their excises.
>But with the muscle mass to start with, how will they look like?

All these are pure speculation and nonsense. You are extending your
logic based on unfounded accusation. In fact, I think it is very
insulting. Forget about national pride and whatever, you are pouring
dirt on innocent people. The wrong doing is not found on Zhuang Yong
and Lin Li but you. You are casting random and arbitrary accusation
on innocent people. That is extramely outrageous.

>We are not here to laugh at them.  We feel sorry for them.  We do
>not like to see that they have to sacrify their bodies, marriage
>and family lives to satisfy our selfish pride (more of A-Q pride).

No one appreciate your sympathy. Will you appreciate my sympathy
to you because you wife probably had affair with another guy? Your
sympathy is not sympathy, but very intruding speculation and
outrageous illusion. You are a very bad guy.

>The meaning of Olympic is not for the medal, not for our selfish
>pride and not for cruel body abuse, but rather for the upward

The medal certainly has nothing to do with you. You have already
had too much. You are mean.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: hxiao@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Hemin Xiao)
Subject: swimmers composing women's 4x100m rally
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:47:51 GMT

Could some kind soul post or email the names of the swimmers
participating in the women's 4x100m rally (Chinese team which
won the silver), as well as which part they took (freestyle...)
please?

Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming poolsDIR
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:50:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.212921.1575@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

|> My university's pool may not be an "accptable" one for you or the American
|> reporters, but the original question is about "60 pools", not the university
|> pools.  But I don't feel shamed for a low standard pool in my university.  Do

Why do you feel shamed for it? I only felt it was unfair. We deserved better
since the government could spend less money on those "PRO" athletes and more
money on swimming pools, etc, which are for everybody.

|> you?  I hope not.  As I posted before, I believe that China has more than 100
|> acceptable and Olympic standard pools.  Think about all the amateur athlete
		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
100? You must be kidding. Why do we need 100 Olympic standard pools?

|> schools and athletic colleges and training centers, and the party domitory
|> complexes in all the provinces (28 excluding Taiwan).
|> 

28? It's very weird.

|> J.  Yuan
|> 

-- 
H.J.
Gcc/libc maintainer for Linux.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:48:54 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul23.170536.17565@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>
>I am sorry that you don't realize that I am merely asking a personal question 
>of Shi Chunde.  Please don't speak for other people.  It seems that s/he must 
>be terribly unhappy here.  

Do not put words in other people's mouth. I want to make clearly that
Shi Chunde never says he will not return to China. Shi Chunde never
says he is unhappy here. I speak for myself based on my observation
on the net. It is not the behavior of a gentleman to put words in
other people's mouth and make an attack.

>I don't see why the discussion must deteriorate into
>virulent harangues about your rocket scientists being brighter and more 
>talanted than my rocket scientists.  

Do not put words in my mouth! I never said Prof Qian Xueshen is brighter
than US scientists. Do not confuse.

>BTW, if you want to get anything 
>meaningful from your stay here other than the Ph.D. degree try to stop dividing
>the world into an us/them dichotomy.  

Excuse me, I have received my doctor degree, namely, DPhil, from 
University of Oxford, United Kingdom. I have never divided the world
into anything. I really doubt you have the habit to put words in
other people's mouth and I am not sure I should treat you as a
gentleman or not.

>You might be surprised to discover that 
>Chinese and "foreigners" (be they Americans, Indians, Japanese, Kenyans, 
>Egyptians, etc.) share a heck of a lot in common.  We all share the same 
>emotions, have the same goals, the same dreams, and the same fears.

This is the common sense. We are all human being. We are all belong to
the small world. We should love each other and build a more beautiful
world for all of the human being. But, can you see this attitude in 
the recent Time's article? It attacked China and claimed China
has only 60 swimming pool! 

At the end, I like to ask a question to you. Do we share the same
habit of putting words in other people's mouth? You do not have to
answer it if you want.

>
>Robert Sanders

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: yucao@cco.caltech.edu (Yu Cao, aka Bobbo)
Subject: Wu1 Su1 Li3 Chuan2 Ge1
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:20:54 GMT

Hi, I'm looking for the music of Wu1 Su1 Li3 Chuan2 Ge1, lyrics OK too.
I'll be very much indebted if you guys could help me find it.

Regards,

--Yu



-- 
Yu Cao 					yucao@cco.caltech.edu
Caltech 103-33                          818-451-0690
Pasadena, CA 91125