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From:         "Philip Richins, Continuing Education, CWU,
              (509) 963-1504" <RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Introspectionism

Again, I find myself supporting a broader view of science than the "recieved
version."  I find part of the difficulty in discussions re:science stems from
our lack of a definition of science.  At times science seems to mean a quest
for truth.  However if the quest gets too far out, we clamor that one is
being unscientific.

More directly to the point--Husserl's philosophical work devised a method for
disciplined descriptions of structures of consciousness which people such as
A. Giorgi have developed into phenomenological methods of psychological inquiry.
Such methods hold that the "essence" of human experience can, in fact, be
researched and general themes and types can be found.(See the work of S. Holling
of Seattle University)
Phenomenolgy is one of many alternatives to the received scientific view.
The acceptance or rejection of the received view or its alternatives should be
careful done.  My experience (non scientific sample) is that most of us make
our selection of method(s) emotionally, i.e. based on what we like or dislike.
Perhaps, it is also based on who we like or dislike.

At times, the methods of study come to us in much the same way the topics do.
I refer to the question raised earlier about how depressed people will study
depression, cancer survivors will study health psych, HIV+ persons may look into
psychoneuroimmunology.

Finally, our quest for science ought to be mindful of cultural issues.  I have
seen on the list, references to male and female modes of thought.  Much of this
should be qualified as WESTERN or European modes.  There are cultures where the
males have world views very similar to what has been identified as "Women's ways
of knowing."

Enough! I am too scattered!  Remember "Life teaches you what you already
believe." --Grant Richins (my brother)

Philip Richins
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From:         "psp.dasilvaalvo" <psp.dasilvaalvo@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      discussion versus "trapping"

>
> I think it's sad that conversation and discussion is reduced to a competition
> where one person must "lose" so that the other can "win."
>
> It also perpetuates stereotypes about men: that they are unable to
> cooperate with one another and are only interested in fighting.  I
> hate to see people perpetuating sex-role stereotypes.
>
> nancy at northeastern
>
Nancy and others,
Competition, as many people see it, is not about 'fighting', but about
interaction of two or more people who come together and show what they can
do. How can one find out about a specific topic if others keeps it
for themselves? The problem only starts when one displays this type of
interaction as 'I know more than you', which most psychologists do not do.
 I think that the above statement is very strong, and it does not help
 psychologists and psychology as a value free subject. They show that there
are a lot of prejudice in a subject which is supposed to pay attention to what
humans beings do rather than copy them.

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From:         "psp.dasilvaalvo" <psp.dasilvaalvo@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Trapping is Male?/discussion versus "trapping"

 Can one honestly say that KNOWS the differences between men and women? I am
 still studying them and it still is a mystery to me. That is the beauty of
 human beings. One can do a lot of experiments but there is always that 0.05
 that does not follow the rules. Yes i have found very confrontational women
 and in fact i have learned more from them than from many men. But the point
 has not still been answered. Why do we have to make generalisations which
 deep down we know that they don't hold true. Yes on the whole men tend to be
 more antagonistic than women. But what is antagonism? Is it insulting people
 with words, (i.e. F#*& or S$$$) or is it to say something which even though
 one may agree with one can also propose different points of view? The first
 one may look a clear case of antagonism. But how about the second. This is
 the one that many people can have difficult with. This is the case pointed
 out by Julie. Her comment about people who 'deliberately_pretend_ to have
 the opposite point of view when in fact they don't' is a typical case. Men
 may tend to do this more often than women. But is this confrontational or is
 it just proposing a different point of view?
Also how can one be able to argue one's point of view if one doesn't pick up
what the other person is saying? One proposes a topic, say confrontational
behavior, then some may say that confrontational behavior is bad, but is bad
in relation to what? A psychologist task then is to grab the tools s/he knows
 about and tries to find out why is bad or not.
 Even those who may stay on the background and assist to what goes on in this
 board may one day say something which can be a counterpoint to a point. Has
 this person become one of the "trapping" species as well? Jesse's point
 ' If anyone out there can't divorce themselves from ideas they hold, they
 maybe shouldn't be in an intellectual field.' seems to sum up what most people
 should to do.
 Long live intellectual confrontation, down generalisations.
 Jorge
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From:         "Lora L. Harpster" <PSYLLH@FREUD.SBS.UTAH.EDU>
Subject:      APA Report
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Hi, Everybody:

     Now that I have finally simmered down, I'll give you my impressions of
the APA conference. I am not going to address any topic issues, but will
focus mainly on logistics and services.  First of all, I found it extremely
inconvenient to have the meetings spread out all over town (ok, so I
exaggerate a little).  Secondly, I was very, very disappointed with the
message system.  I left many messages for quite a few of the Psycgrad folks
trying to arrange some meetings.  I'm curious, how many of you ever received
them, and if you did, received them in a timely manner?  I apologize for not
recognizing that we were going to have such a rough time making contact.

     I am furious about the incident at the ball!  That has to be one of the
most inconsiderate things I've heard.  But, it does correspond with the
off-handed treatment I noticed at the registration desks and message systems.
The most helpful and considerate people I dealt with were the staff of the
Sheraton.  And, I wasn't terribly pleased to pay $10 for a party where the
food literally made me ill and I had to pay $4 for a glass of very
indifferent wine.

     I learned a lot of valuable lessons about the difficulty of trying to
arrange meetings between Psycgrad folks.  If I had it to do over again, I
would try to nail down times, places, and potential attendees well BEFORE any
of us left for the convention.

     APS was much more convenient as far as trying to get folks together.

     On that note, I hereby announce my retirement as Psycgrad Social
Coordinator (at least until the next time!).



Loree Harpster  University of Utah  PSYLLH@FREUD.SBS.UTAH.EDU
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From:         Remo Ostini <rxo868@CSCGPO.ANU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Trapping is Male?
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Just thought I'd contribute the results of two in-depth interviews with
female colleagues of mine.  Neither felt that a confrontational style of
discussion is particularly male, versus the 'female' negotiation style.  Then
again, maybe Australian women are more confrontational?  Then again maybe ...

I think it is important to remember that irony and sarcasm come across very
badly on the computer.  When Matthew said he was laying a trap I think he was
just teasing a little bit.  I don't think it was meant to be taken literally.

Perhaps?  Maybe?

Remo


Remo Ostini 		       *  rxo868@huxley.anu.edu.au
NCEPH, ANU		       *  "Morality is a vast and inescapable
GPO Box 4, 		       *  conspiracy in which we all participate."
Canberra  ACT 2601, Australia  *  				- Norma Haan
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Subject:      Re: Trapping is Male?

here, here, nancy and chris!

michelle bradley
psymick@vm.uoguelph.ca
university of guelph, ontario, canada
* ) happy mutants live
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cheating

Here is a personal example that the lack of reporting "significant" results
(defined as p < 0.05) doesn't mean your findings are any less important.
In a non-parametric type of research, a single curve is significant
enough in itself (like recovery from refractoriness of a neuronal bundle),
that doing stats on it is in the end meaningless.
Instead of going for a quick write-up, I spent two years on a project,
which not only brought me a lot of satisfaction, but also a huge number of
reprint requests, that one usually doesn't get in this type of research (so
says my supervisor...).  It was worth it in the end...I have no regrets
about the "value" of my research.
I hope I will never loose sight of what is really important here...


                                 _
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 "Before we can have applied science, we must have a science to apply"

                                                              D.O.Hebb
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From:         std_martin@HG.ULETH.CA
Subject:      Re: Trapping is Male?

Since when has the intellectual world become a *nice* place?

I think a very important distinction has been lost in this
discussion.  An intellectual confrontation is usually between
two ideas, and more often than not, the confrontation ends
with one idea coming out on top.  Seldom if ever are there
actual individuals involved (or at least there shouldn't be).
The attacked ideas are not attacked persons.  If anyone out
there can't divorce themselves from the ideas they hold, they
maybe shouldn't be in an intellectual field. (hope none
of you clinical types are offended :-))

Jesse   std_martin@hg.uleth.ca
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From:         Dr W Bellin 92 <sedwb@THOR.CF.AC.UK>
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                        LECTURESHIP AT CARDIFF
                  (in Wales, Great Britain)
                         SCHOOL OF EDUCATION

                UPDATED INFORMATION

For this position you should be an active researcher
in the field of

developmental
social
cognitive
or educational psychology

Salary:  12860-23739 p.a. pounds sterling (award pending)
Closing date: 14 September, 1992

For details write to Personnel Division, 50 Park Place,
Cardiff CF1 3AT Wales, Great Britain quoting ref. no. 92/49

Tel 0222 874452
Fax no. is 0222 874788

                      ANSWERS TO QUERIES SO FAR
>Is the job permanent?
    Yes - this is a proper lectureship alongside other chartered
    psychologists.
>What about the salary?
    The first advertisement was mistaken - right up the scale
    is on offer according to age and experience.
>More about the department?
    email Bellin@uk.ac.cardiff
>Closing date?
 Sept 14
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From:         Fred Detwiler <ST8330@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Trapping

Well, I've been guilty of trapping on this list--no regrets!  In
one case I said something like who needs psychologists and attacked
nearly all disciplines in psych. and in another I dared gradders to
define applied psychology.  It's just part of my style.  I think
it adds some flare to things cf. Hi fellow intellectual beings.
Let's discuss the following issue: ....
     I do not dare people to discuss something so I can win or lose; but,
I do it to emphasis that an issue is going to be rather tough to
come to grips with.

'nough said,

Fred Detwiler st8330 at siucvmb.bitnet
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From:         Don Gallogly <EUP_DG@CWU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Results of cheating Q.

Hello Psycgrad,

In response to the postings regarding "It depends" and similar responses in
questionaires.  You're all right that forcing a response with a limited number
of choices is not the best method of data collection.  Next time I want to
find out something about you people, I'll fly you all out here to Washington,
hook you up to a polygraph, train a dozen independant observers, train a blind
experimentor to run subjects, farm the stats out to an unbiased statistician,
and buy you lunch.  But if you can't make it, then I'll send a questionaire.
You see, I didn't have any grand illusions about the validity or reliability
of my questionaire or questionaires in general.  As a visual perception/human
factors researcher, I prefer to collect hard data, GSRs or EMGs or something
real.  But this time I wanted to know something about *you*, just descriptive
stuff, nothing glamourous.  But you're all a long, long way off!  Someone
even suggested I should have run a pilot study.  I wrote the damn questionaire
in about an hour and a half!  It was just for FUN!!

Thanks again to everyone who responded.  I still think you should have known
(or at least been considerate enough) to commit to a response.  If this
message sounds angry, it's not.  I had fun with the questionaire and I hope
you did too.  It probably wouldn't have made much difference in the numbers if
you had responded appropriately.

And no one even mentioned the biggest flaw in my questionaire.  It was
completely obvious to all what responses would make a good impression on the
experimentor and what responses would confirm my hypothesis (that most people
fudge a little once in a while).  Next time I'll do lots of validity
checking on my pilot data. :-/

Someone (Julie @ St Andrews?) asked why I put in the bit about siblings.
Again, it was just curiosity.  Just trying to learn a little bit about the
kind of psychology grad students who answer electronic questionaires.  It was
interesting, too.

Please, everyone, don't take offense at the somewhat abrasive tone of this
message.  I don't mean to offend.  The questionaire was meant to be fun and
it was.  Besides, I *really* like most of you, and I have no bad feelings for
anyone here.  (In fact, I can't remember the last time I had a bad feeling of
any kind)

Happily,
Your friend,

Don Gallogly
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From:         TBN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      jobs info

I thought prospective job candidates might find this list of interest:

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Places to Hunt for Academic/Research Positions in the Behavioral
Sciences:

APA Monitor

APS Observer

APS Employment Bulletin

Science (many fields, some psychology in there, trade jobs as well as
post-docs and teaching, VERY COMPETITIVE)

Chronicle of Higher Education
  (comes out weekly, entire section of ads--look under "Psychology"
as well as your specialty area, and/or under "Research")

Various APA division newsletters (ex. Division 35 newsletter)

Regional Psychology Association newsletters

Department chairs are often sent job announcements--check with your
chair.

Must-have Resources:

Sternberg, David (1981).  How to Survive and Complete A Doctoral
Dissertation.  New York:  St Martin's Press. (Morgan's words of
wisdom:  never take a "real" job until the dissertation is SIGNED.)

Zanna, Mark P. and Darley, John M. (1987).  The Compleat Academic:  A
Practical Guide for the Beginning Social Scientist.  New York:
McGraw-Hill Publishers

Schoenfeld, A. Clay, and Magnan, Robert (?).  Mentor in a Manual:
Climbing the Academic Ladder to Tenure.  Madison, Wisconsin:  Magna
Publications.

Seldin, Peter (1991).  The Teaching Portfolio:  A Practical Guide to
Improved Performance and Promotion/Tenure Decisions.  Bolton, MA
Anker Publishing Co.

Gibson, Gerald W. (1992).  Good Start:  A Guidebook for New Faculty
in Liberal Arts Colleges.  Bolton, MA  Anker Publishing Co.



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From:         Denise Lajoie <DLAJOIE@UHUNIX.BITNET>
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Matthew and Monica,



CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!

Have a wonderful life together!

Denise@ Hawaii
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prescription Privileges

Howdy all,
I had the opportunity to see Ron Fox (president-elect of APA?) speak on
this topic last winter at UNC.  He made many of the same arguments pro
that PSYCGRAD folks especially Eric Z have made.  He even presented a
clinical psychology curriculum that would include all the relevant
pharmacologoy courses to make the training comparable to that of an MD
in psychiatry.  Fox's position was that there would need to be an
additional year of coursework at the graduate level and also students
admitted into such a program would need to have some undergraduate level
courses in biology, chemistry etc.  Still, a do-able, workable idea!
David Fresco
fresco@unc.oit.unc.edu
fresco@med.unc.edu
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From:         std_martin@HG.ULETH.CA
Subject:      RE: "from" wont get me far

Different nets and systems include different information about the
sender.  It would be wise to send out occasional reminders (as
I get on several other e-mail lists) to include your full e-mail
address on any mail sent to the list (after your signature).

Jesse  std_martin@hg.uleth.ca
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From:         "Kathryn M. Etling" <kme2q@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
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     I agree with Phillip Richins.  Not only would emotions, feelings,
personal views, etc help to stimulate new ideas and new ways of looking at
old ideas, but I believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE to separate one's personal
views, biases, feelings and the like from one's work.  We should always keep
this in mind when working, because these things can also be negative.  Notice
that many people study what they have experienced or continue to experience.
In our department, for example, a professor studies children of gay and
lesbian couples and many things related to gay and lesbian relationships--she
herself is a lesbian woman.  On the other hand, though, this is NOT to say
that everyone who studies such issues is gay.  It would be very interesting
to see the correlation between life experience and work.

kate
University of Virginia
kme2q@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
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