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From: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: TV Guide and upcoming SF series
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:23:00 GMT

The January 2-8 issue of "TV Guide" has several articles about upcoming Sf 
series (although they insist on calling it "sci-fi" throughtout the entire 
issue.)  There are four articles about "Deep Space Nine," including a plot 
synopsis of the first two-hour episode, airing this week in syndication 
(Surprise! Jean-Luc Picard and Commander Ben Sisko (Avery Brooks) are 
enemies!).

Additional series discussed:
Space Rangers (premiering Jan 6 on CBS)
Time Trax (premiering Jan 20, syndicated)
Babylon 5 (premiere movie Feb 22, syndicated)

Wild Palms (ABC miniseries, spring):
Los Angeles, 2007.  An ambitious lawyer (James Belushi) is a pawn used by a 
powerful local family bent on controlling society through use of a new 
virtual-reality TV technology.
The synthetic holograms are "holosynths": "human wetware, a high-end 
telepresence" that is "in the eye of the post-symbolic storm."
Although not *too* good, the secret society called The Friends describe 
themselves as civil libertarians.  Dana Delany is Belushi's haunted wife.  
The Fathers redefine evil -- led by Angie Dickinson as Josie, Belushi's 
treacherous mother-in-law.  His son Coty (played by Fred Savage's brother 
Ben) is not as evil, but the Senator (Robert Loggia) is the scariest psycho 
around.
Between the holosynth samurai and Belushi's seductiion by Miss Holosynth, 
it's supposed to set a new level of TV high-tech.
No sequel is planned to this Oliver Stone-produced miniseries.
[Note - this series is based on a virtually incomprehensible continuing comic 
strip that appears monthly in "Details" magazine.]

Seaquest (NBC series, this fall)
In the year 2018, mankind turns to the undersea world (of Steven Spielberg) 
for new discoveries.  SeaQuest, a huge submarine, silently swooshes by 
undersea colonies.
SeaQuest hunts down "techno-pirates" and "aqua-terrorists."
Captain Nathan Bridger (Roy Scheider) quit his warring ways after a tragedy, 
but is lured back to run the SeaQuest.  The coolest crew member, though, is 
Ensign Darwin, a dolphin trained to keep the sub out of harm's way.
The Bad Guys are undersea bandits and renegades pining for the good old days 
of nukes, pollution and war.
Spielberg, who gave us cutesy E.T. and that ship-wrecker Jaws, finds a happy 
medium in Ensign Darwin.
With Spielberg and a 22-episode, $1-million-per-episode commitment from NBC, 
it has a head start on most series.

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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: _Space Rangers_
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


Just some comments:

I thought the computer FX were pretty well done.

I liked the ship design, nice and asymetrical.

I have a feeling that someone was making some kind of statement
by using projectile weapons instead of CREWs or something, but 
c'mon, inside a _spacecraft_? Ever hear of explosive decompression?

Ouch! Piloting that ship looks _damned_ uncomfortable, lying on
your stomach with your arms outstretched and your head raised.

Will be interesting to see how the show progresses, tho.

Craig
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From: jennise@opus.dgi.COM (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest   V18 #23
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:43:00 GMT

>> I think the best thing to do would be to write CBS with our grievances,
>> suggestions, and thanking them for putting "real" sf on a network.  I know
>> this was probably hacked out in time to beat DS9 and B5, but maybe with fan
>> support something can be made from it.

>> Joseph Poutre
>> jpoutre@shearson.com


Don't waste your time. Judging from the feedback it's not going to be
around long enough for CBS to consider worth the effort. I don't
know how many shows are already in the can but I think it's too many.
Of course the grievances could be used to put us out of our misery faster. 


Jennise
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Subject: Re: Highlander Questions
From: bakerjd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:46:44 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: bakerjd

In response to the question of:
>did anyone find it [Family Tree] a more settling-in episode than Innocent
>Man?

	Sort-of...I mean it _still_ doesn't explain the transition from
Richie being and outsider to being "one of the family", but then again,
neither did Innocent Man. The only thing in Innocent Man that even hinted 
that Richie was new was when he asked about how Immortals sense each other:
	"How do you guys know about each other anyway, is it a secret
handshake or what?" (or something to that effect)
	"No, a tattoo"
	"REALLY? Where?"
	etc...
By the way, any theories about how far away Immortals can sense each other?
I mean, it seems to vary with the episode and Immortal. In The Gathering, at
the end, it took Duncan a _very_ long time to notice that Conner was there,
while at other times, he seems to notice them long before he's near them
(ex: Sea Witch)....Maybe it's like a sense of smell...not too accurate and
it depends on how much you're paying attention....:-)

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From: eek2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric E. Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: SF on TV
Date: 9 Jan 1993 17:15:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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It seems like the new shows are pretty cheesy as compared to some
short-lived shows that blew them away.  Space Rangers was wanna be
SF with a bad attempt at a future with a team of Space Rangers do
a generic SF thing while the only thing that is interesting is the
characters.  DS9 had a decent setting and good characters but its
going to fall into the STTNG episode template.  In an hour long 
episode, it reads like this: 
first 10 minutes they discover something is wrong
next  20-25 minutes they figure out what that is
next   5-10 minutes they find out who's responsible
next  10    minutes, bad situation becomes worse
next  5 minutes, the characters end up resolving the problem by no 
virtue of their own or the work they did.  There are a handful of
exceptions to this, but the majority of the STTNG episodes fall 
into this pattern with great development and a quick lousy ending.
DS9 may be different, but I doubt it.  Also, in STTNG and STDS9,
there are some major holes in just about every episode.  Take the 
whole concept of DS9, why would the Federation take a Cardassian 
space station.  Seriously, wouldn't the Cardassian put some sort of
remote activated self-destruct mechanism.  There were some decent 
things with the creatures in the Worm Hole, but if they have no 
idea of linear time, how would they be able to communicate with 
Sisko even if he was freed from linear time while in the wormhole
although he was not.  I'm waiting for Babylon 5, the whole universe
sounds much better.  DS9 is trying to make something from what it is
not.  They are trying to add other conflicts in a universe designed
not to have those conflicts but draw them from other places.
  I woudl say that Max Headroom was some of the best SF on TV.  The
conflicts came from the greed of the people in this corrupt city.
Max ended up being a gimmick in the whole thing, but the show was
original.  It dealed with people who seemed real and hadd real 
conflicts.  Everything was built in well rather than shoved in as 
what happens with ST.  Alien Nation was also a good show.  It was
interesting instead of being an alien invasion type thing, it had
the humans and aliens facing the problems caused by their joint
existences.
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Otherworld
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:57:48 GMT

I believe the original reason for the posting has something to do with
Otherworlds debut on the Sci-fi channel this evening (thurs Jan 7th)
too bad I STILL dont have it...I recall liking the show, it was prolly
closest to actual Sci-Fi CBS has ever come

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From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister)
Subject: DS9, TNG, Space Rangers, Sci-Fi, etc.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:51:02 GMT

I think I will be the first to say this.  It looks like we have a full
blown agruement between people who really like Trek show and those who
don't.  In the beginning of this conversation amongst a lot of us there
were valid point presented with valid justifications.  But now, every post
of the last ten or so I have read have degenerated into name calling and
insults.  I saw if you want to talk about Star Trek shows take it to the 
Star Trek group, enough already about how much DS9 sucked.

David Lister
lister@virginia.edu

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From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:29:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.150856.62500@cc.usu.edu>, sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne) writes:
[In response to the question "What happened to Ruthie?" who is 
frequently assumed to have died, except that Sam & Al talk about
all Al's marriages failing"]
>
>Maybe she died some time after the divorce.  We (the viewers) don't have 
>much of a timeline for Al's marriages and "significant relationships."
>
Could this be where Al got the idea of the 5th stage of love?
	1) Denial
	2) Sex
	3) Acceptance
	4) Divorce
	5) More sex, if you're lucky.

(Maybe they had more fun and a better relationship after the 
divorce, then she died.)
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From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:29:04 GMT
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research

|> mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
|> > the android was annoying, but then, any android character is going to
|> > get compared to Data in ST:TNG...

I liked the android.  Especially the smiles.  I was a little disappointed
that they got rid of him.  He was the result of some good lines.

	"don't touch my weapon"  pause "great, uh, just ask me next time"


I long ago determined that the pilot was not an accurate judge of 
an episode.  Many shows improve after the actors get used to the roles.

Anyway, my thoughts:

- The name is corny
- I was a little disappointed with the stereotypical characters, but
it's been a long time since I've seen some original characters in science
fiction.  
-I think the generals son might have some potential.
-The only special effect I "noticed" as being an effect was when she
was piloting the ship.  Everything else I could pretend away.

I'll watch it again.

	Ann
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:28:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan10.220957.9040@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	There could be.  These people are given chance after chance
>	to produce a quality product.  TNG had a guaranteed audience,
>	and DS9 had one too.  They COULD have produced GOOD sf, but they
>	chose not to.  Now, either they're too stupid (deliberately so)
>	to determine which writers to hire, or they're hiring friends
>	(andnot worrying about quality).  I could believe either
>	possibility. 
>
>	Was there any good reason for DS9 to be as utterly rediculous as it 
>	was?  No.  Why was it that way?  Because they just don't care about
>	the quality of their product.
>
You say it yourself in your own words.  TNG and DS9 have "guaranteed"
audiences.  Obviously they feel they have a formula that works.  If you
were doing something in a specific way and it was gaining you millions of
dollars annually (not to mention elevating you and your bosses to legend
status), would you continue doing it that way, or would you take a risk of
loosing everything and trying it a different way.  Say what you will, I
bet you wouldn't change a thing.



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From: mdb@CISCO.COM ("Mark D Baushke")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: alt.ql.creative anonymous ftp site available
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:31:29 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems Inc., Menlo Park, CA, USA

I have collected the stories I have seen posted to alt.ql.creative as
well as the alt.ql.creative newsgroup Charter and made them available
via anonymous ftp from cisco.com:/ql-archive/alt.ql.creative (only 13
files live in this directory at present as I have only seen 24
articles posted to a.ql.c).

The file Index gives the title and author and associated files for
each story.

	Enjoy!
	-- Mark
	ql-archive@cisco.com
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: QL: Married to the Mob
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:17:34 GMT

I saw this film the other day when the BBC showed it and every time the
guy who played Al came on I kept expecting him to pull out his glorified
calculator, issue some advice and then step into a brightly lit elevator.

So who says he's been typecasted.

Happy Halibut V
From: mouse@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Test - just ignore
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:49:28 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

This is a test.
Please just skip it.

Nancy 

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From: zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Otherworld
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:53:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofGpHFG00WBM04D7Ai
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   I was just wondering if anybody out there remembers this old tv show.
 I remember about 5 or 6 years ago seeing this show.  I only caught a
few of the episodes.  RIght now I can only remember that I liked the
show.  Does anybody out there know how many episodes where made?

IRON MIKE
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From: troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson)
Subject: Your help is needed! Please read.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:36:35 GMT

This is a short request to all the users of the Net I can reach.
I and several friends have been assembling a list of "Noble
Rhetoric and Snappy Comebacks" from tv, movies, books, politics, etc. 
as a hobby for sometime now and we've reached around 600 different
quotes in all.  I have noticed the vast number of quotes to be found
throughout the net in peoples' sig.s, quotes, etc. and I would like
to ask for some help from all the users of the Net world-wide.
If you have a suggestion for a quote that is funny, creative, etc.
and you feel fits in the category of "Noble Rhetoric" or "Snappy
Comeback" in some vague way, please e-mail the suggestion to me
with the word "QUOTE SUGGESTION" as the subject line.  Also,
to prevent my mail from being overloaded please, just send in the
quotes for the next week only.  Please don't send me anything
after that time, as I am posting to a few newsgroups at a time, a
new set each week.  This should slow down the flow of mail sufficiently
so that I can handle it.  I will post all quotes which I and my comrades
in crime decide to use and we will only use those which have proper 
documention so that we may credit the source without getting in any
trouble.  Thanks in advance and your help is very much appreciated.

Grummy
From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Voyagers! on Sci-Fi Channel
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:38:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

First of all, I would like to thank the people who wrote to let me know
that this show (shown Sundays at 10 AM, 7 AM Pacific) is in fact the
show from 1982-3 starring Jon-Erik Hexum and Meeno Peluce as two time
travellers attempting to help history along, give it a push where it's
needed and help history back on track.

Anyway, I called USA Network and got the schedule for the next few
months. I'll post it if anyone is interested, but I'm not sure if that's
necessary. They have a few more episodes to go, and then they're
starting the cycle over on February 14th, with the pilot. There are only
twenty episodes total, so you can probably figure out when they'll be
done with the cycle again.


-- 
Michael A. Burstein
Physics Department, Boston University         mab@buphy.bu.edu
590 Commonwealth Ave.                         (617) 353-9437 (o)
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From: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Reply-To: baylor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:41:40 GMT

In article <1isk3tINNt2m@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
>
>But, more to the point, while consistency is a good thing, 
>something which is not 100% consistent can be good if it works
>well in other ways.  TNG has worked well because the characters
>have been interesting, and the writers have developed them
>over the years.  The writers have also taken chances, giving us
>shows that simply involve character development and nothing
>else.  (Take Family, for example: I think this is one of the
>best things they've done, but the entire episode is simply
>an exploration of several of the major characters, and what
>makes them what they are.)

Myself, I was always partial to Night Court (which, if it were billed
as science fiction would keep the consistancy folk busy for years. 
Example: Who is Santa Claus?)
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Computer Animation in ST:DS9 (was Re: Space Ranger?????)
Date: 10 Jan 93 12:07:39 PST
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1ikn14INNagv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
> 	Technically, they do use computer animation.  The models are very
> simple and primitive.  They are just the shapes.  The models are filmed to
> get the motions and perspectives correct.  Then a computer is used to
> overlay the details onto the essentially blank models.  And all the
> planets, wormholes, and planetscapes are all done entirely on computer.
> (The planetscapes may include some true paintings, but it's unlikely.)

p.s. This sounds exactly backwards.  Getting the motions and perspectives
correct is the EASY part to do on a machine (it's just trigonometry, after all)
and getting the surface treatments, reflections, shadows, etc., of all the
detailing is the part that takes lots of CPU time.  If anything I'd expect them
to do the motion modeling on the computer and then go film it with the actual
models. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
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From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: B5: Some Babylon 5 discussion on the net?
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:36:54 GMT

>	Ah, so is TNG going out of production after this season?

Well, maybe.  It hasn't officially been cancelled, but contract negotiations
between Paramount and the stars are becoming increasingly difficult.  Don't
be too surprised if this turns out to be its last season.

This is why Paramount is hoping very strongly that DS9 succeeds.

w.
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, was Re: Lathe of Heaven
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 07:24:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173841.3776@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>
>Now then, does anybody have a copy of the PBS adaptation of John Varley's
>"Overdrawn At The Memory Bank"? that was great too!

It was recently released on laserdisc by IMAGE (#ID8085RG) for $30 though
the quality of the transfer was more appropriate for videotape.


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From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:46:17 GMT
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
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In article 6JAN199321302034@rosie.uh.edu, mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
>
>I guess all the hype about DS9 really did it in. Hope they cut out 
>all that metaphysical mumbo-jumbo in the following episodes.
>
Actually I really liked the wormhole parts.  They did quite a good job of
presenting "non-linear" time and the problems of causality and free-will.
Unfortunately they toned down the religous overtones in the second hour; Star
Trek is infamous for introducing contreversial religous points then ignoring
them.  I guess they are still too scared of the North American audience.  Pity.
>
>I expected a lot less from SR, and it turned out to be better than that,
>the android was annoying, but then, any android character is going to
>get compared to Data in ST:TNG...
>
Space Rangers, on the other hand, did not impress me at all.  The characters were
cliches, as was the plot.  Intergalactic drug wars?  This was truly painful to
watch.  This sort of science fiction has never survived on tv before, what makes the
networks think that it will now?

steve holland