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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:31:31 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan11.184742.5537@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes stupidly to
mine:
>
>
>>  As recently as the late 1980s, the author Toni Morrison, in the
>>  opening pages of her book, "Beloved" dedicates her book to the 60
>>  million or more black people who died in the slave trade.....
>>  I know for a fact that Toni does research on her books.  My girl
>>  would not lie.  I've heard upwards to 30-60 million African lives
>>  were lost, as well as 30 million Indian peoples.
>
>I sometimes wonder why people like to cite the "60 million dead in the
>slave trade" figure. As long as you're going to be off by a couple
>of orders of magnitude, why not 40, 50, or 100 million? According to
>the most reliable estimates that I've seen, the total number of
>fatalities in the Africa --> Americas slave trade was no more than
>1.5 million.
.
.
And just where are your sources?  Mine are currently being packed up
for Marin County, but I can certainly quote Lerone Bennett among
others.
.
Secondly, I most certainly object to "ranking" among any racial
group as I have previously posted but to insist that people
fabricate figures to get the appropriate rise from folks is
ludicrous AND racist.  NObody, except for Nazi apologists, disputes
the Holocaust figures by a long shot.
.
.
 For some reason, this does not constitute a sufficiently
>monstrous crime for those who professionally engage in the bizarre
>calculus of suffering and racial one-upmanship. My guess is that their
>motives have to do with the record stats that have been racked up in our
>own bloody times. Somebody must have read that 52 million died in World
>War II, then rounded up the "slave trade" number to make it look even
>worse.
.
.
Like I said, fabrication is not within the realm of Toni Morrison or
anyone else I've quoted. She has also discussed her sources for
Newsweek magazine, for example. But of course, Stefan possesses the
consciousness level of less than zero.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week In Black History (1/11 - 1/17 1993)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:17:56
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: na
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Today is Monday January 11, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])

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January 11   Charles W Anderson becomes first Black member of the
                Kentucky Legislature 1936

January 12   Congressional Black Caucus organized in 1971
             Mordecai W Johnson, educator, born (1890 - 1976)
             US Supreme Court decision gives Blacks the right to study
                law at state institutions 1948

January 13   Convention of the Colored National Labor Union, the first Black
                labor convention, 1869
             Delta Sigma Theta Sorority founded at Howard University 1913
             Sterling Brown, poet, dies 1990

January 14   John Oliver Killens, novelist, born 1916
             Ernest Just, a Black biologist, served as V.P. of American 
                Zoologists, 1930
             Lt. Col. Etienne Eyadema becomes president of Togo 1971
             [My mom, Jacqueline Isbell, born this date]

January 15   Martin Luther King, Jr., civil rights leader, born (1929 - 1968) 

January 16   Lucius D. Amerson sworn in as first Black sheriff of the South in
                the 20th century (Macon County, Ala.)
             Noted singer-composer Leon Bukasa of Zaire dies 1974

January 17   Paul Cuffee, merchant, shipbuilder and Black nationalist, born
                1759
             NASA names astronauts Maj Frederick Gregory, Maj Guion
                Bluford and Dr Ronald McNair for space missions 1978

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--
Peace.
 "If you stick a knife nine inches into my back and pull it out three inches,
 that is not progress.  Even if you pull it all the way out, that is not
 progress.  Progress is healing the wound, and America hasn't even begun to
 pull out the knife."
                               -Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:45:23 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <C0rFoE.39r@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <1993Jan11.171437.4159@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):
>
>> In article <C0Jz9q.CAy@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>> >As quoted from <1993Jan7.194031.27873@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):
>> >
>> >Ever heard of Enrico Fermi and Edward Teller?
>> 
>> Vaguely. 
>> 
>They weren't German.

This is pathetic.  He's probably heard of Einstein (the guy with the
funny moustache, know?) and MAYBE von Braun.  Evidently, names like
Richard Feynman, Paul Dirac, Robert Oppenheimer, Bob Wilson, Frederic de
Hoffman, et. al. aren't on his list.  He's spent too much time watching
Hogan's Heroes.

Merrily, 
Janis C. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13719 alt.rap:6985 rec.music.funky:2018
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:54:24 GMT

In article <1itagbINNas6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd) writes:
>
>In a previous article, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) says:

[TONS deleted for bandwidth]

>>>5.  As a ph. d. candidate in history I feel confident in stating that 
>>>    when the discussion moved to Russia and the reason for victory in
>>>    W.W. II, I became bored.  I'm not sure how it got there but I can
>>>    assure you that most of the assertions and causations were, IMHO,
>>>    sophomoric.  If for no other reason than for Mr. Chaney's comment
>>>    that we would not have helped Russia defeat Germany if we had known
>>>    of the atrocities behind the iron curtain.  Mr. Chaney, we knew.
>>
>>Well, I believe there is a Russian here on s.c.a.a. who knows more
>>about this than you or I, so I will leave the issue to him.

I had to address this because it's total crap.  Just because you grew up
someplace doesn't mean you understand everything about it.  I know
plenty of people back home who are racist and say that racism isn't a
problem in this country and women have already achieved equality.  I'd
concede to anyone who has made a lifetime commitment to studying this
problem to someone who lived there and hasn't done so.  Living in a
place simply does not automatically imply that one understands all the
ins and outs and subtleties of that place.

Would you so facilely state that just because all American whites grew
up in the US that they all understand the mechanics of racism far more
completely than an Englishman who may have gotten a doctorate studying
and reading up on the mechanics of American racism?  Would you agree
that all AfAm people understand the mechanics of racism simply because
they grew up here?  You seem to disagree with them plenty.  The entire
former Soviet Union cannot be encapsulated in a mere one member, and you
have shown yourself to have an appalling K-Mart attitude toward other
cultures in your attempts to foist off this one individual as a
barometer for his or her entire country.  One person is not a micro map
of their country; countries are not fractal.  You demonstrate an
incredibly one-dimensional view of an entire nation of many millions of
people in your attitude.

Regards,
Janis C.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Investment
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 02:28:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.022612.26043@cbnewse.cb.att.com>  
ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

     [...some stuff deleted...]

> actually there is *nothing* preventing these ideas from being implented,
> but a more obvious, and more easily implementable step toward this is to
> simply SAVE AT BLACK-OWNED BANKS.  you can look in a magazine such as
> "black enterprise" to see if there is one in your area.  i live in     
chicago
> where there are a few.  i don't see why black people wouldn't save at a
> black owned bank for some of the reasons that you have mentioned - fdic
> protection makes these banks relatively generic, especially if you don't
> keep more than $100,000 in a single account. 

     Hey, this is really an excellent idea!
     
> 
> -- 
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> _/ (_(_) / (_(_/_/_(_/  .       ronald@iexist.att.com /  
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> "if you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes" -- edmund wilson

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:24:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Let's Move MIM News Outta Here...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, Christopher Morton writes:

> As quoted from Pat Murphy:
> 
> > In soc.culture.african.american, Christopher Morton writes:
> > 
> > > 	BUT, is this s.c.a.a or is it a soapbox for the NY
> > > 	Transfer News Service and the MIM?!  shouldn't these
> > > 	postings be placed on alt.misc.news.postings or 
> > > 
> > Apart from the inherent destructiveness of their philosophy, I've found them
> > rather surprisingly polite and willing to carry on a civil conversation via
> > e-mail.  Besides, I can ream somebody politely as well as I can rudely if
> > the situation calls for it.... :)
> > > 
> > 	agreed... but i would rather see these in digest form
> > 	and some personal comments to boot.  just posting a 
> > 	press release verbatim seems to inhibit discussion
> > 	and waste bandwidth.
> > 
> I agree about posting one's actual thoughts.  My inclination, based on 
> previous experience is that they are afraid of making the "movement" look bad
> if they should (and they would) get the bad end of a debate.
> 
> Of course none of this stops OTHER people from discussing (and shredding) the
> claims made therein.
> 
		you got that right, brother ;-)


peace to all,
pjm.

	"I love California.  I practically grew up in Phoenix."
				Vice-President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: sykes@donner.cc.bellcore.com (sykes,michael)
Subject: Re: Addresses of African-American Colleges
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:26:37 GMT

In article <3mHywB3w165w@netlink.cts.com> wreed@netlink.cts.com (Wayne Reed) writes:
>Can anyone send me the internet addresses of African-American colleges?
>Thanks.
>Wayne Reed
>
>--                    
>INTERNET:  wreed@netlink.cts.com (Wayne Reed)
>UUCP:   ...!ryptyde!netlink!wreed
>NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115

I think that this is something that should be posted for the benefit of
anyone who wants the info.

Michael


-- 
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"It was like that when I got here" - Homer J. Simpson
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:19:49 GMT

In article <93005.071806KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>    Poor Stephen Chaney!  Everyone is jumping on him for his statements  
(and
> rightly so). 
Plus ca change, plus le meme chose (sp., please, high school french was a  
long time ago). 
This could have been written in ta (and probably was, actually, now that I  
think of it). It is indeed nice to know that the Borg has found a new  
home.


ciao,

yon bonnie laird, etc. etc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: a redneck's 12 days of Christmas
Keywords: topical, smirk
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:25:56 GMT

Forwarded from rec.humor.funny :

In article <S4c8.10d2@looking.on.ca> ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) writes:
>
>Heard 12/22 on a Greensboro, NC, radio station; attributed to Randy
>and the Rednecks.
>
>
>On the nth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
>
>12 pack of Bud,
>11 wrasslin' tickets,
>tin of Copenhagen,
>9 years probation,
>8 table dancers,
>7 packs of Red Man,
>6 cans of Spam,
>5 flannel shirts,
>4 mud-grip tires,
>3 shot-gun shells,
>2 hunting dogs,
>and some parts to a Mustang GT.

[.......]
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:15:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.125955.26578@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <C0GCpD.1pE@panix.com> mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:

[......]
>>One thing I shall say for you.  Your political career shall be very big
>>and bright.  You shall be presented as the example for all to follow and
>>you shall reach great heights.  You have found the easiest and quickest
>>route to the power you sought your whole life, betrayal.
>>
>>Enjoy your climb, Judas
>>
>>Kiggundu.
>
>       Beautiful post, absolutely wonderful.

A wondeful posting, yes....but I am afraid Kiggundu might be waisting his
efforts on a bullshitter who may not even be blak. Remember Phillip Stromer
bursted in claiming his wife was blak..???

Coincidentally, I saw the following sig on s.c.a.: 

Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig!

How very true in this case.....

kauta.
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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:21:45 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan6.225717.16599@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
>
>I did hear reports/rumors a few years back that the characters
>were supposed to be Black, but FOX wouldn't allow it for fear of
>attacks from the NAACP (they felt Bart's poor attitude would be
>[mis]interpreted as a statement about the behavior of Black male children).
>
I dunno whether this was mentioned, but I did enjoy the "Black Bart"
teeshirt series that sprouted as a homegrown, bart brother movement.
 After a while, Matt Groening decided that imitation was the highest
form of flattery and told the shows' owners not to sue.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization:      .
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:25:32 GMT

In article <2B4DAF4C.5667@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>Finally, lunch has arrived.
>
>Honey, you couldn't digest me; trust me.  Other sexist pigs have tried,
>and they just end up with indigestion.

  What happens when they can't digest you?  Do they puke you out?  Calling
  yourself puke?

>
>Janis C.
>
>
From: jdf2@bnrgatebnr.ca (Jonathan D. Fletcher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:57:11 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research @ RTP, NC

<< Megastuff deleted >>

Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:21:22 GMT

In article <C0GCzB.FL9@news.rich.bnr.ca> jdf2@bnrgatebnr.ca (Jonathan D. Fletcher) writes:
><< Megastuff deleted >>
>
>Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.....

Yes, it is pitiful. And frightening.

Let me give you a run-down on what we have seen so far: 

1) If you marry outside the race you are not pure and you are
obviously not deserving of the best your race has to offer.
2) If you give others the emotional freedom to do this, you are a
traitor. Enjoy your climb, Judas.
3) You need to be talked to by some brothers, about this issue.
4) You are overgeneralizing us. By the way, how is life in the racist
institution of White America? 

What we have seen in real life, as well: 

1) A presidential candidate who has slandered the Jews (Jesse
Jackson).
2) A black rap group that has similarly slandered Jews (Public Enemy).
3) Black newspapers full of slams on Jews (which are being peddled on
the buses and in front of the stores I go to). 
4) Slams on whites and anyone else who dares question the agenda, not
the color, of the African-American movement.


I know of one other nation whose path was similar to this. They, too,
wanted racial purity, and they, too, hurled intolerance at those who
did not go by this. 

I cannot believe how sure I was to find the elements of fascism and
Naziism painted over with a black face, here on this newsgroup. It
happens in everyday life when this discussion comes up - but I'd never
figure that, with time to sit down and think about the consequences,
people would still say the same thing.  

To those of you who have done this and who claim to represent "black"
America, I say "Seik Heil." 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:34:12 GMT

In article <C0Jy2v.8Kt@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>>I don't know why people were upset with Arthur's original posting.  Is this
>>the wrong newsgroup for such a discussion?  It's my feeling that evey
>>minority in the US has felt the benifits of Malcom's struggle for civil
>>rights.
>
>
>What was Arthur's original post?? What is this doing in soc.culture.ASIAN.american?

This thread is very relevant to soc.culture.asian.american (and presumably
soc.culture.african.american, where Arthur had crossposted) because of
the crucial role Malcolm X played in the Civil Rights Movement, which
has greatly benefited all minorities in the US, including Asian Americans.

I grew up in upper-class white suburbia.  Martin Luther King was celebrated
as *the* civil rights hero; the sanitized picture we got of him seemed
to emphasize non-violence as much as it emphasized racial equality.
The existence of someone named Malcolm X seemed to be a secret carefully
guarded by the school system.  By high school, I had managed to piece
together this notion that Malcolm X was some sort of evil terrorist dude
who was inciting black people to violence.

It wasn't until college, when I started to develop my own Asian-American
identity, that I learned some of the reality of Malcolm X.  I learned
about racial oppression.  I learned about racist violence.  And I learned
about self-defense.  But most importantly, to me, Malcolm X's message
is about self-worth and economic and political empowerment.  *That* is
why his ideas are threatening to the establishment.

As to why people were upset with Arthur's posting, I'd guess it's
because Arthur is very conservative and has a history of provoking
heated debates with his very right-wing articles.
					--Alan "I am not Arthur" Hu
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 11 Jan 1993 09:52:25 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <106603@bu.edu>,
shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>In article <1596@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>>This is not true. I supported and appreciated the US effort in Somalia. I
>>appreciate the opportunity to study in the US. What I opposed was the tende
>>ncy by some to cast the US as a do-no-wrong angelic country, and the USSR
>>as a do-no-right den of the devil.
>
>>At least as a far as the last big war
>>was concerned. I happen to be aware, contrary to the insistence of these
>>people, that Russia liberated a big portion of Africa. The US worked hard
>>to subvert this effort and to prop racism in that Region.
>
>USSR (not Russia, btw) LIBERATED a big portion of Africa?
>Oh, well...
>--
.
.
Sorry to pop your balloon, Sergey, but to this cat, the USSR did
liberate portions of Africa. To some Africans, the United States
have done nothing but prop up puppets to do their dirties, in other
words, maintain the status quo while ripping off their countries
blind.
.
My country has a bad record, with accompanying bad karma about to
strike...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, William McIver Jr. writes:

> I just heard the AP wire reports on a couple
> stations out here that John Birks "Dizzy" Gillespie,
> a giant in the development of American Classical music, died
> in Englewood Hospital today.
> 
> He had pancreatic cancer.
> 
> For some reason the only box I picked out of my collection
> to bring to school was my new _Dizzy's Diamonds_.
> 
> 
> WJM
> 
> 
> BTW, Nureyev (sp ?) also died today. It will be interesting
> to see if they play Dizzy the way they did Art Blakey when
> Bernstein when they within a few days of each other.

	looks like he got a fair shake, although cnn's headline
	news did an obit for rudy w/o one on dizzy until maybe
	three hours after the wire services were reporting it
	... after which they included a good piece on the man &
	his horn.  probably had tough time finding a video clip
	w/ the cheeks at full bloom ;-)    and of course, since
	rudy died of aids, its more newsworthy according to
	conventional wisdom [see also, mistreatment of ashe]



peace out.
pjm.
> 
> 
> 
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