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Subject: Re: Pointed Movies (was re: Unforgiven)
From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:17:16 EDT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Aug16.032329.23752@eecs.nwu.edu> 
kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:

MLK:
>I wrote:
>>>I will give you that Unfogiven was pretty good story, but what would you say 
>>>it's point is?

>zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) responded:

MZ:
>>No disrespect meant, but if you are looking for a point, I heartily
>>recommend an icepick in the forehead.  Alternatively, Mosfilm is now having
>>a garage sale on all the Socialist Realist films ever produced, so if you
>>just put together some copecks, you'll never again have to suffer through
>>hours upon hours of decadent, pointless, morally bankrupt Western art.

MLK:
>Tee Hee. Now may I suggest that you either read the whole post or not bother
>reponding. The person I was responding to said that he felt that there was a
>point to the film, and I waas asking him to tell what he thought it was. 
>Thanks for your insightful comments, you have really added to the thread.

You needn't feel slighted by my elision of your interminable banter, which
is in no way meant to slight its considerable critical merits.  Perhaps you
will also pardon me for presuming that your remark evidences an idiotic
concern for the "point" of a movie, which would only be becoming for
someone avidly seeking morphological similarity between the transports
afforded by divertissement and his peculiar cranial structure.  Of course,
an enlightened aesthete such as yourself is well above such undignified
attempts.

>Michael
>
>-- 
>Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
> kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
>  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
>                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Fir^h^hright Night (was re: Dracula)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 23:25:46 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Aug20.220341.8892@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy
Kev) writes:
(snip)
>There are actually two issues here, and they are common to all adaptations of
>Stoker's work.  Stoker certainly struck gold with his novel, but he was in 
>fact anything but faithful to vampire lore.  In point of fact a vampire has
>no ability to change into a wolf or for that matter a bat.  These are elements

>that were tacked on by Stoker to fit the mood and sensibilities of the time
>and genre; in this respect the novel confuses several eastern European 
>superstitions/legends (Stoker never visited Transylvania, he only researched 
>it and its mythologies).  So: someone trying to make a movie from Stoker's 
>novel has to decide how to be faithful to (1) the novel (2) vampire legends. 
>Kind of caught between a rock and a hard place.

Copppola's intent is to remain faithful to the novel "Dracula", whether
or not "Dracula" itself is faithful to its source material is another matter.
So i think that Coppola could care less about how accurate "Dracula" is
in reference to its source material (ie, European mythology).  

>Fright Night was even more ridiculous with that "as long as we kill the head
>vampire before sunup she'll revert back to normal" business.  This is pure 
>Hollywood. The reason the movie worked for me was that the writers clearly 
>did this on purpose. . .Peter Vincent even has a line in the film, "Why 
>shouldn't it work. . .so far everything else has been just like in the
movies!" 
>Good stuff.

At this point, anything that we call a vampire is a vampire, and any attributes
we give them, we just accept.  (I'm not saying that this is a good thing, but
that this is how things are.)  I was merely judging the movies on their own
merits, not by their faithfulness to a legend that i don't even fully know.
"Fright Night" was surprisingly good, for one example.  Another vampire
flick, "After Dark" was a well-done movie, stylish, darkly humorous, even if
the
ending is a complete deus-ex-machina happy ending.  (Oh, we'll just change
out the evil vampire blood and put in good human blood and you'll be cured,
live happily ever after).  Faithful to vampire legends?  No.  Good movie (minus
the ending)?  Yes.

BTW, what is a good sourcebook for vampire legends?  And what movies come 
closest to following those?  

(rest deleted)
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best War Movie
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:15:47 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug12.173147.18197@brtph560.bnr.ca> Best War Movies writes:
>Best war movie for aerial combat footage:
>The Blue Max 

I'd have chosen "Wings" or "Hell's Angels".
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From: U21123@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: ARCHIVE OF MOVIE REVIEWS--NEEDED
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:31:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92227.143126U21123
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


I am new to netnews. Could somebody kindly give me information,
     weather there is a comprehesive database available for movies
     with actors, ratings and short reviews.

   Andrew                           Thank You
   E-mail address: U53314@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: More Star Wars ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:40:07 GMT
Organization: The Communications Research Centre

In article <8270@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> rcheung@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Richard Cheung) writes:
>In article <2A928C07.272@deneva.sdd.trw.com> cjohnson@venice.sedd.trw.com (Clarence Johnson) writes:
>>
>>Has anyone heard any thing about another Star Wars Trilogy?
>>Saw a post about it in rec.arts.startrek.current.
>
>Yes.. just when you thought it was safe to travel at hyperspace..... the music
>is back.. the stupid scrolling titles are back!!!           
>A long time ago.. in a galaxy far far away.... 
>
>There _will_ be a new Star Wars triology based upon the three new books 
>written on the triology.. I know the first book is about how this Leuitetnent
>of the Empire which saw the destruction of the great star destroyer and the 
>death star, and the death of the emporer and vador, took control of the 
>few remaining star destrotyers and went hiding away gaining support... 
>then slowly he starts to emerge again.. or something!!! It should be 
>interestin neverthless! 
>

Not quite. The trilogy books happens in between Part 6 (Return of the Jedi)
and the last three parts. The movies being produced is most likely
to be before Star Wars:A New Hope. Dealing with Anakin, Ben, the clone wars,
and the fall of the old republic. The books are ok, but I don't think they are
movie material.


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serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: \*GREAT MOVIE ACTORS\*
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:09:43 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <1992Aug13.215441.29682@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:
>i14@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Martin Los) writes:
>
>[deletia]
>
>>not mentioned yet :
>
>>Talisa Soto (Bond girl)
>Good looking, bad acting (the next Maria Conchita Alonso?)
>
>>Helen Slater (I loooved her in the secret of my success)
>Catch "City Slickers". She plays a role that's best described as "the blonde".
>
>>Catherine Oxenberg (Dynasty, does anybody know a movie in which she plays?)
>
>Ken Russell's "The Lair of the White Worm". This movie must be seen to be
>believed. I can't describe it, but definitely worth a rental if you like to
>see movies way off the mainstream.

She played Princess Diana in a "Charles and Diana The Love Story"-type
of movie when the royal marriage was still peachy. She looked just
like Di, with a Di hairdo and all. It was a TV movie from a few years
ago.

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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: AFTER HOURS (was HEAD-less)
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:08:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


[In response to my offeringof:]
>>Linda Fiorentino. I thought her boyfriend - Horst, the leather-clad
>>S & M dude with impeccable etiquette, played by Will Patton -
>>was also a riot.

cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:
>I agree wholeheartedly:
>
>"That was very rude of you before, Paul."
>
>What else has he been in?

"Desperately Seeking Susan" - Played the deranged-looking guy who was trying to
    "reclaim" the stolen earrings from Roseanna Arquette/Madonna. Another weird
     NYC-based movie.

"No Way Out" - Played Scott Pritchard, assistant to the Secretary of Defense.

are the only two high-visibility roles I can think of.

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From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Woody Allen / Mia Farrow
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:09:58 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug18.221058.26436@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.162050.9135@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:
>>This Woody Allen-Mia Farrow thing is the biggest sensation to 
>>hit the NYC area in a long time.  Trump vs. Trump was big,
>>but Trump isn't well-liked by New Yorkers, whereas 
>>Woody Allen has been revered for years.
>>
> .....
>>* Allen has admitted having a current affair with Soon-Yi
>>   Previn Farrow, whom Farrow adopted while married to Andre
>>   Previn.  Various reports have Soon-Yi anywhere between
>>   18 and 21 years old.  According to Allen, the affair has been
>>   going on for seven months.
>>   (Celeb divorce lawyer Raoul Felder has said that while this is 
>>    technically not incest, Allen certainly appears to have taken 
>>    advantage of his position.)
>>
> 
> It certainly however is the moral equivalent of incest...
> 
> Gerald

Yes, the Church of England was created over a debate like this.  Then as now
"morality" is ever debatable (at least where consenting adults are concerned)
and certainly in a different category from blood ties.

Richard.
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: which one is peter se
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:30:13 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

GKS>                My first Peter Sellers film was Dr. Strangelove and
GKS>prior to that, i have no idea what the man looks like.
GKS>                I thought he was that man bounded in a wheelchair but
GKS>it seems that he is the president. Can anyone clarify this for me?

     You're both right.  :)  In fact, Peter Sellers played three distinct
     roles in "Dr. Strangelove:" Dr. Strangelove (the guy in the
     wheelchair), President Muffley, and Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,
     the English soldier trying to wheedle the bomber-recall code from
     General Ripper.

     Take a look at the movie "The Mouse That Roared," in which Sellers
     plays about six or seven different roles.  (Of course, several of
     those roles were merely brief cameos.)  And then, since you're
     new to Peter Sellers, take a look at the best of the "Pink Panther"
     series: "A Shot In The Dark" and "The Pink Panther Strikes Again."
     (In that order.)
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:25506 rec.arts.sf.movies:6483
From: lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:41:55 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1259@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:

>Any other science fiction classics you'd like to see transported to
>the screen, and think they could be done well?

Well, this isn't exactly a classic, but I think Orson Scott Card's
_Ender's Game_ would translate pretty well. There's enough action
to keep Hollywood happy, and there's not a lot of different sets to 
contend with since most of it takes place at Battle School. Having 
all the boys float around during the Games might take some work, but 
it could be done. All the video-type games could be done easily with 
a computer. I think with the right people making it, it could turn out
to be a very good movie.

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
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Subject: Re: Howard's End Question
From: plunkett@gold.isor.vuw.ac.nz (Gregory Plunkett)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:29:08 GMT
Organization: Institute of Statistics and Operations Research, VUW, Wellington, NZ

In article <BtAKww.Iwn@ecf.toronto.edu> tungd@ecf.toronto.edu (TUNG DANIEL KING LEUNG) writes:
>
>	I saw Howard's End yesterday. It was very good indeed. But I can only
>understand 80% of the movie. When the clerk went to Schlegel's house the   
>second time, they were refering to a book which is about someone's walking at 
>night.  Would someone please tell me the name of the book and its author?
>	Thanks for any help
>
>Daniel
>tungd@ecf.toronto.edu
>


In the Forster novel, the clerk (Leonard Bast) mentions a flurry of novels
that inspired his night-time journey. The first mentioned was:
"The ordeal of Richard Feveral" was by Richard Jefferies

Other books that Leonard mentions are "Prince Otto" by R.L Stevenson,
"Open Road" by E.V Lucas, and he also mentions the authors Borrow and
Thoreau.

I am not sure that these details could bring you any closer to understanding
the remaining 20% of the movie. The purpose of the episode is to further
reveal elements of his character. Earlier in the movie, we see his cultural
aspirations that are incongruous with his social standing. Now, we see
that in the words of Forster "Within his cramped little mind dwelt
something that was greater than Jefferies' books -the spirit that led
Jefferies to write them".

Howard, Wellington N.Z
(NOT plunkett... mail address howard@isor.vuw.ac.nz)
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: With cuts restored:  The Frankenstein Academy of Film.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug12.150123.1211@cs.ucla.edu>  
reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
> "Superman" - Shown with lots and lots of cut footage on network
> TV.  (This showing suggests that the Salkind brothers, the  
producers,
> had probably originally planned on pulling the same trick with
> "Superman" that they did with "The Three Musketeers" - shoot "one
> movie", cut it as two, pay the actors only once.)  Generally, this
> footage only slowed the film down and added very little.

That's about half true. About half the restored material added
very little and should have been left on the cutting room
floor. However, some good material was also added.

> "King Kong" - Some overly violent and slightly sexy bits were cut
> prior to the original release.  They were restored ten or fifteen  
years
> ago.  They're a net plus, but only a small one - the essence of the  
film
> doesn't require them.

This material WAS in the original release of King Kong, I believe.
It was just cut for later versions, when the Hayes Board began
getting rather fussy.

Another one to add to the list is Jaws.  In the version shown
on TV (which I only caught part of) there were several scenes
that weren't in the theatrical version.





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From: quinlan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Carol Quinlan)
Subject: Re: neuromancer & jim cam
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:46:03 GMT

>>>>>> [Who'd be Molly in MONA LISA OVERDRIVE ?]

>>>                  Sandahl Bergman
>>> (Valeria in _Conan_) might have been excellent.
>  Molly Ringwald             (you just _think_ it wouldn't work)
>  Linda Fiorintino           (if she can still look like she did in
>                              _After Hours_)
>  Linnea Quigley (?sp)       (if chainsaws are allowed)


Could someone who has been paying attention to this thread please
e-mail me a list of as many as possible of the people who have
been suggested for Molly's role, as well as the movies they are
most known for?  I told a friend who is reading Neuromancer about
the thread, and he wants to know who you all suggested.

And also, please do not mail to me after Friday, August 14.  I am
leaving for a week and don't really want my mailbox overflowing 
while I am gone.  

Thanks in advance.

--
Carol Quinlan
quinlan@wpi.wpi.edu
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Wayne's World Music Change
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:34:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Aug19.173452.9286
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Aug18.200009.9241@stsci.edu> ansok@stsci.edu (Gary Ansok) writes:

>Question:  When _Wayne's World_ is released in Europe (has that
>happened yet?), will the "Stairway to Heaven" notes be in it, or not?

After I saw the movie in the theatres (several times :-) I saw it again
when it was shown during a film series here at Dartmouth. The 35mm print
that was sent to Dartmouth had the generic riff, not 'Stairway.' At the
time I just figured that it was a bad print of the film. Now I see that
the real answer lies elsewhere. This was about the time that Wayne's World
was being released elsewhere so I would not be suprised if people abroad
get the generic riff as well.

-Geoff
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: the potion with the poison...
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:03:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162905.14944@ists.ists.ca> donofrio@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Frank D'onofrio) states:
>The lines come from Singin' In the Rain.

Beg pardon?  What lines?  You mean the ones in your subject?  They
(sort of) came from The Court Jester, with Danny Kaye.  The lotion with
the potion's in the vessel with the pestle, and so forth (whatever
the real version is..)

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From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Summary: The "thing"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:04:48 GMT

In article <8059@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp) writes:
> The TV Guide has an article this week about "zapping".
> In other words, channel scanning. 
> At our house we call our remote "the clicker".  Hand
> me "the clicker" is lots quicker than saying, "hand
> me the remote control", don't you think??   Hah!
> 
>   

Mostly we call it the "thing" accompanied by appropriate hand
gesture - hand out as if holding it and pressing the buttons.

marc colten

Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: sdo@hoops.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil)
Subject: Re: The Potion with the Poison...
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:08:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.080704.11261@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...) writes:
>In article <10191@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, selliott@cs.strath.ac.uk (Stuart Elliott IE91) writes...
>
>} The line in question comes from a Danny Kay film. I think it was a
>} remake of the Bing Crosby film "A Conneticut Yankee at King Arthur's
>} Court".
>
>Nope, THE COURT JESTER (as you probably have read here already).
>
>} There was a second line to this, something like:-
>
>} "The potion that is free [from poison] is in the vessel with the pessel"
>
>It's been too long since I've watched this film, but if memory serves
>(and if it doesn't, it'll be right in line with the whole shtick :-)),
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the refrain goes:
>
>	"The pellet with the poison is in the vessel with the pestle.
>	The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true."


Well, just to continue this shtick, my memory says:

	"The vessel with the pestle has the poison in the pellet.
	 The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true."

Even if this is wrong and the first version is right, I think it
scans better.

Sean
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:13:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

The best film I've ever seen about the possiblity for a WWIII, or a 
nuclear exchange was HBO's _By Dawn's Early Light_.  Good cast, good
script, both the "big picture" and personal stories...

Fans of Rebecca DeMorney will want to check out her fine performance as
a bomber co-pilot.  I was also glad to see James Earl Jones.

Greg Bole                         "We spend too much time thinking about the
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu       end of the world.  It isn't going to happen.
                                   ...today...I promise it.  Not before lunch."
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: quiz: what do these m
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:46:48 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DT>>|>(8)
DT>>|>Cape Fear,  Taxi Driver,  Psycho,  Citizen Kane
DT>>    These are all superb films...that's all I can figure :-)
DT>       All based on true stories??

     Nah, they all have soundtracks by Bernard Herrmann.
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