From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:59:44 GMT

Mitchell S Todd writes: > & >>> & >>>>>
Bruce Schuck >> & >>>>

It sure took you a long time to think up a reply Mitchell.

>>>	Information such as communications and radar frequencies, 
>>>	ADIZ authentication codes, radar range, and probably also
>>>	radio range would be easily picked up by the Soviet version
>>>	of national technical means, such as listening posts, those
>>>	famous russian trawlers, and elint aircraft.

>>Sure Mitchell. Thats why the Marines were ordered to change them all
>>when they found out Oswald defected.

>	If you want to find out the range of American radar systems,
>	fly, say, a Bear bomber at the coast, and see when and where
>	their air defense system challenges you.

The Bear's flew over the pole Mitchell. They were challenged
over Alaska or Canada or the North Pacific. The radar that picked
them up was the Dew Line or the Pine Tree Line and wouldn't
have told them anything about the West Coast Installations.
Oswald could have.

>>>	The radio call signs would be a bit more difficult. Listening
>>>	posts would record the call signs, but it would take a little
>>>	detective work, and some repeated listening, to place names
>>>	with faces, as it were. 

>>See above.

>	Your "above" is nothing.

So was your statement. Since when does radio allow you to place names
with faces. Ha ha ha. If you are so sure that the USSR knew everything
that Oswald knew *before* he defected, then why did the military
bother keeping *anything a secret?

The KGB weren't omnipotent. Listening posts are no substitution
for the information Oswald had. Or do you really believe the West
Coast of the US was so riddled with KGB agents that they already knew
everthing?


>>All the information Oswald had to offer *was* changeable.
>>It was the *perfect* type of information to establish his credentials
>>when he pretended to defect. It was *good* info for the Soviet
>>Military without really compromising National Security.

>	Actually, it wouldn't have established much in the way of
>	credentials. The Soviets would know that anything Oswald
>	told them would be already known, of little use, or of
>	little damage to the US. A defector who spilled his guts
>	about such information would do little to establish his
>	credibility with the Soviets. 

So, it's now Mitchell S Todd KGB Spymaster and expert on what the
USSR wanted to find out during the Cold War. Excuse me while
I snicker. [Snicker]

>>Thanks to his announcement in the US Embassy that he planned to
>>pass such information on, the military could go ahead and change the
>>codes and frequencies immediately instead of waiting until Oswalds
>>defection could be found out through intelligence contacts.

>	The US would have known of Oswald's defection fairly quickly
>	and would have had enough warning to change call signs, etc,
>	before any real harm could be done. The military wouldn't
>	have to rely on Oswald's announcement to give them an excuse
>	to change codes anyway.

Let's look at the facts:

When informed of Oswalds defection, the military changed *everthing*
it could that they knew Oswald had information on.

Oswald didn't have to walk into the US Embassy to defect.

Nobody in the US or US Embassy knew of Oswalds existence in the
USSR until Oswald walked into the Embassy.

Why do you insist that the military *wouldn't* have to rely on
Oswald's announcement to change codes and radar frequencies?
They *did* rely on Oswalds announcement, and if Oswald had not
walked into the Embassy the military might *never* have found out
about Oswald's defection. 

He did them a big favour.

And he did them that favor because he was probably an ONI agent.