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From: M11745@mitre.org (John G. Wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re:
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:51:07 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Aki, I have the perfect solution to your injuries, cut your right hand 
off. All right-handed people say that lefties have the advantage, so prove 
it yourself , that it's NOT true.

John G. Wagner
email M11745@mitre.org
From: ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Foul Lights
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:50:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Here is a neat test of your centers foul lights.  Before you start practicing, go up to the foul lights and put your foot across the foul line.

If the center is well maintained, the light and buzzer should go on and turn
off after about 2-5 seconds.  If the center is not maintained, the light and
buzzer won't go on at all or will sound forever.

In some on my leagues, the center have repaired the lights after I have tripped
the foul line several weeks in a row.

Happy fouling...

Jerry
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: FBL => Announcement....
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Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:14:10 GMT

In article <1if7fsINNf0@hp-col.col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com
writes:
>There  definetly is some good fishing out here...  I am not limited to
>wading  either...  I own a 14'  whitewater  raft that is setup for fly
>fishing....  Nothing  like rafting the Gunnison or such with a fly rod
>in hand and beer(unless I am guiding, then Dr.  Pepper) in the cooler!
>And the raft holds a big 100 Quart cooler!!


well hell Dave, maybe me and my SO will have to see if we can
sneak out to Co. sometime next summer...

P.S.  you'll have to get a bigger cooler tho...what the HECK can
anyone hold in such a small thing?  What maybe 4, 5 cases
of beer?  Sheesh...I have more than that rolling around on my
floorboard... ;-) ...



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Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
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All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
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From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: What do you think of ProAms
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:05:32 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM
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Hello all,

In a couple of months there's going to be a Pro/Am tourniment in my area.
I've been thinking of entering it and was wondering if any of you have
participated in one of the Pro/Am tourniments.

It costs $100 for three games (5 amateurs and 1 professional) and no matter
how you do in the tourniment, you either get an embroidered commemorative
jacket or a Pro Rhino ball, your choice.  Is it worth it?

Carl
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: Re: Re:
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:31:39 GMT

In article 1ikp08INNntq@transfer.stratus.com, det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.180819.28766@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>>I wonder if we could invent a new type of soaker for dry lanes...Has
>>anyone tried soaking a ball in 40 weight over night??? ;-)
>
>Whew!  Keep a *tight* grip on that backswing, please!
>
>Also, can you picture the spray pattern from a "spinner" flying down the lane?
>

Imagine the training benefits...use the black stuff that comes out of
your engine and you would be able to see the ball's track down the lane
exactly!

Hmmm...I wonder how it would affect pin action...I have this horrible
mental picture of the ball passing through the pocket...the pins
leaning as the slippery ball passes through them and then closing ranks
again...a pocket zero! =8-0

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Paul (Cliffy) Palmer
New Technology, Inc.
700 Boulevard South, Suite 401
Huntsville, Alabama 35802
 
Internet:	palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov.
Telephone:	(205) 461-4569


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: FOR PAUL PALMER !!
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:55:25 GMT

Paul -

Your mail is bouncing all over the place ... please contact me if you
see this post.

Thanks


Bob

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From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Thinking bowlers (was RE: RE:)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM
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>I agree on the dry lane conditions.  I've seen so many inflated averages
>with dry lane condtions it isn't funny.  The sad part about it is that
>alot
>(not all mind you) of mid 60, mid 70 average bowlers are averaging
>up into the 90's and low 200's.  Unfortunately, alot of these bowlers
>are _convinced_ that they really ARE 200 avg bowlers.  When they
>encounter lane conditions that are NOT dry on the outside, they complain
>that the lanes are "bad"  (heaven forbid, it CAN'T be THEM right?). 
>Ahem....
>
>
>I also see alot of rookie Pro Bowlers in tournaments that say "damn,
>I average 225 in the house back home, how come I'm only averaging
>170's here?  Must be f**ked up lanes, they don't know how to oil
>the lanes!"  whine whine whine...

I know what you mean.  Among my many bowling activities, I belong to a
bowling club.  (Anyone remember Joe Vozzi?  He had a show called "Bowling
for dollars".  The club's his.)  The club consists of mini-tournaments
every weekend, at different houses.  Currently we rotate through 5 
different establishments.  I find that the bowlers who tend to bowl in
a single house have a real hard time adjust, ergo "whine, whine, whine".

I have made it a practice of bowling in many different houses.  (I like
some better than others, but that's not the issue.)  I figure the only way
to see if you are improving is to see how you do under different conditions.
Some bowlers think I'm masochistic.  I figure it gives me the opportunity
to "think and adjust", a foreign concept to many of my friends.

Carl
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   Up the long ladder and down the short rope,
   To Hell with King Billy and God bless the Pope. -- traditional
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: ..and...lift & turn & pivot & belch...and...lift & turn & pivot &.....
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:13:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.223605.17780@seeker.mystic.com> jjb@seeker.mystic.com (Jack Bailey) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.143925.25312@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>>
>>What I'm really looking for is a ball that will break early, and
>>hold it's track into the pocket.  I really don't want a radical
>>break on the back end nor something that will be impossible to
>>handle on dry conditions.
>>
> ...
>>
>>suggestions?
>>
>
>Purple Hammer, positive, thumb, pin in.  Works great for me.
>Perhaps also a Blue Hammer (I had one once, but drilled differently).
>

Another possibility is Axis weight.  It works best when lanes are tough,
since it does not tend to over react.  It also works better on oil, since the
axis weight helps the ball to roll early, but I've had success on medium
to dry lanes when there's a good Luster King available.

Since you want to use it on dry conditions too, I'd drill it with the
pin at neutral.  You should start with low top (2-3 oz or less) since 
you will end up with bottom weight when its all done.

As for thumb/finger or +/- side, that depends on what your most pervalent
lane condition is.  Remember that thumb/finger affects the reaction in the 
middle (i.e. between the heads and the backend) and +/- side affects the
reaction in the backend.  If you want more backend, increase the + side.
If you need an earlier break point, increase the thumb, etc.

Hope it helps.  If you need more help on how to lay the ball out, or you
have a specific condition in mind, let me know via post or e-mail, and 
I'll be glad to offer my 2 cents worth.

Vince


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:49:25 GMT

In article <1iig4pINNkjk@gap.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>Here is a rules question that popped up in league last night.
>Our lead off bowler rolled his first ball and a pen that was in 
>his pocket dropped over the foul line onto the lanes. The secretary
>of our league called it a foul, but the owners of the lanes said it
>was not. What is the real ruling??? (WABC/WIBC league)
>
>
>anne
>

No, it is not a foul if something falls out of your pocket onto the
lane.  For a foul to occur, a part of the player's person must encroach
on or beyond the foul line and touch any part of the lane, equipment (i.e.
the caps or foul light cover beyond the foul line) or building during or
after the delivery.  (Yes, if you are bowling on the end lane, and you
fall off to the side and touch the wall beyond the foul line, that is a
foul).  Something that falls out of your pocket is not part of your person.
For reference, see page 8, rule 5a of the 1992-93 ABC/WIBC Playing rules.  

However, when he decides to pick the pen off the lane, he must make it
clear to the other team that he is doing so.  For example, he should not
just reach out after the ball is delivered and pick it up without
notifying someone that he is doing so, or a foul can be called (although
this is sort of "cut-throat", it *is* the rule if someone wants to be an
A**hole about it).

Vince
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: (whine) I wanna hook like the guys do!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 15:57:17 PST

  I don't mean to throw a straight ball...I just got a 13lb gyro, fingertip
drilled with finger inserts, & a Robbie wrist brace.  I had been throwing a
10lb white Maxim (cheap plastic) ball for over 5 years, & over the last year
got a yellowdot (12 lbs) drilled fingertip, & then my present gyro. But, it
still goes straight...sigh...I do know why...I've been teaching the finger-
tip type throw for 3 years to advancing youths (one of whom shot a 300 last
summer) & I have completed Fred Borden's advanced coaching school, but my
wrist strength just won't allow the proper lift off the fingers...my wrist
is so glad to get that weight off of it, the as I'm in the downswing, just
before the lift & follow through, the ball comes off my flat hand position.
(& then I'm able to do a picture perfect lift & follow-through...I'm just
missing a ball to do it with!?!:-})  So, yes, I do throw a straight ball,
I don't wanna, but until I build up more strength (& the arthritis goes away
for the summer) I do...sigh...
  And as to being a one house bowler...it's kinda hard not to, when you only
are bowling in one league.  I have bowled in other houses when I've competed
in tourneys, but they don't allow the leagues to travel to other houses, un-
less they're a travel league (tongue in cheek!)  I am a supermom of the '80s.
I'm waiting until they tell us that we don't have to do it all anymore, but
those in charge are keeping mum.  I leave for work at 4am, give the kid a
wakeup call at 6am, check on her at 3pm, & get home at 6:30pm.  I really only
have time to coach one youth league per week, & then bowl in one league per
week.  And the house is still fairly clean, & the yard is manicured (you still
have to mow lawns, during the winter in CA).  I only bring this up, because
someone sounded a little disparaging towards solo house bowlers...maybe I took
it a little off...?  Yeah, that's what I did...no need to get defensive...
I just need some sleep...and maybe a colt 45?  That seems to settle a lot of
arguments in CA...maybe I need to take up fly hunting?  Does one take their
spouse, when they go fly hunting???  Just how cold is it, in the hunting
grounds of Colorado?  Are the flies frozen? Freeze dried?  have a good weekend.
I'm going hunting *NOW*...
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ic@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Coggins)
Subject: Re: Foul Lights
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:56:36 GMT

In article <1is8gmINNhsd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek) writes:


>If the center is well maintained, the light and buzzer should go on and turn
>off after about 2-5 seconds.  If the center is not maintained, the light and
>buzzer won't go on at all or will sound forever.
>

Where I bowl it seems they have a policy of turning off the lights for
league games and on for family openstyle bowling.. Reverse logic if you 
want my opinion.. But I will add another tit bit of advice..

For those of you who bowl at an AMF centre (The proper lanes, not
the synthetic kind , and IMHO the more pleasant centres in the UK at least)
try out the following (it might work elsewhere too)...

Lob the ball (technical terms huh?) down the lane any old how.. Try and
get 1 pin if you can, its more amusing 8).. then just as the barrier is about
to come down before the pins are swept away (just before it comes down
mind) step on the foot fault line, smile, sing loudly to hide the buzzing and
turn away... Now heres the cunning bit.

The lane registers a foot fault, at least the mechanics of it do and hence
the system will clean away all the pins ready to restack... However..
the vision system being totally bamboozled will notice that there are no 
pins standing at all, and thinks hey! Nice one and registers a Strike on 
the score sheet..

Not content with this generosity, the lane then allows you to bowl the second
ball without affecting the score.. Ie two balls for the score of one 8)

Those with an ounce of maths ability will realise that you can go on to
get a 300 score without any E or otherwise coming up on the score sheet
and providing ya partners are stone deaf you'll get away with it 8)

>Happy fouling...
>
>Jerry

Have a nice conscience

Ian

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Re:
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X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:12:57 GMT
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:15:52 GMT

In article <93008.131938MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller, MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Smooch! ;-)


damn....too much class in a.s.b. to even start a flame war...

hee hee..



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Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
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All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: How does he do it...I really want to know...
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:22:09 GMT
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:25:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.185121.28289@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> Paul,
palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>Aki seems to be a member of the ball of the month club (with or without
>his wife's approval) and the only concession I can get from my wife
>when I get a new ball is to go easy on the torture !!!
>
>I have been really itching to try a reactive resin ball, any domestic
>tactics would be greatly appreciated....


Naw...I just make too much damn money...

;-)



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Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:03:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
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In article <1ika66INNpkf@hp-col.col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Here is a rules question that popped up in league last night.
>> Our lead off bowler rolled his first ball and a pen that was in 
>> his pocket dropped over the foul line onto the lanes. The secretary
>> of our league called it a foul, but the owners of the lanes said it
>> was not. What is the real ruling??? (WABC/WIBC league)
>
>That  is not a  foul....  what is a foul is if he  retrieves  the  pen
>without first asking  permission of the other team.  It is stated very
>clearly  in  the  rule  book.  Your   secretary  is  wrong.  (being  a
>secretary  and having  dealt with the exact  problem I know this to be
>true.)
>
>Dave

Well, the rule book IS NOT clear at all. Hence the problem. It states that
a foul is when a part of the bowler's *PERSON* crosses the line. Ther
was also no mention of the "retrieving the object without the other
teams permission". But, maybe we missed it. 

Additionally, the secretary had a "secretaries hadbook" (WIBC) that showed
(with a picture) the case where an object falls across the line. It 
explicitly stated that that WAS a foul.

What I am wondering is if there is a difference between WIBC and WABC 
rules. Personally, I don't think this SHOULD be a foul at all.
He was called for a foul.

anne



Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Blue Hammers & oil
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 05:48:50 PST

  The family got into the car & headed East to the local bowling establishment,
over the weekend.  I with my Gyro, my BH with his Black Knight, & the kid with
her new Blue Hammer.  They had just oiled the lanes (again) & we proceeded to
work out.  My BH & I did our usual, & the kid was bowling her 1st game with
her trusty old Turbo, when mom (in the way that mom's have...) said, "I paid
good money for that new ball of yours, when are you going to use it!" The kid
whined that she wasn't used to it yet, & I pointed out that the lanes won't
get any oilier, so after an avg 160's type game, she got out the new Blue
Hammer, & casually shot a 256!
  I had seen some posts about the Blue Hammer, as well as some other balls
being good on oily conditions...You guys know what you're talking about!!!
Guess what I'm getting for my next holiday to get something!:-) (hee hee!)
  On an aside to M. Miller...I went back & re-read your post...you weren't
being negative, I *was* just over tired & defensive.  I am jealous of all
of my housewife friends, who bowl in 5+ leagues a week. (The center provides
gratis childcare while they bowl!)
  I'm awake now, & ready to kick butt in the business world      NOT!@
Pamela
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: FBL => Announcement....
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1if3v3INNrop@hp-col.col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave
Fleck) writes:
|>Well this  announcement  doesn't really affect the FBL but I thought I
|>would  pass it  on....  As of March  19th of 1993 I will no longer  be
|>affialiated  with  the  company  known  as  Hewlett-Packard...  I have
|>chosen to take a voluntary  Service  Incentive to quit the company and
|>move  to a  job  that  I  really  enjoy...  I  will  be  a  full  time
|>Fly-Fishing  guide/outfitter  after the  19th...  can anyone say major
|>Pay cut??  yes I can, but I have an understanding  wife(who makes good
|>money!!)  so  things  are  right in our  world.  I do have an  outside
|>email  address  that we will start using in  February.  I am still not
|>too sure  about  news  access but I am working  on it...  The FBL will
|>still run as usual and I will give all invovled the numbers to contact
|>me when the time comes...
|>If anyone likes to fly fish and wants to come to Colorado... You have
|>a experienced guide to contact!!
|>
|>Dave "I can't wait till March" Fleck
                
	WOW!!!!!!!!!! Need a partner???????????

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From: JNKST41@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Questions for the FAQ
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:23:19 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

Hi all

I have a couple of questions for the FAQ list.  Could there be a summary of 
how different drilling patterns on a ball will affect its reaction?  This 
has been discussed recently, and every time I think I follow what is going 
on, but then I think was it side weight or finger weight that makes the ball 
go longer through the heads and then snap like a bat from heck?  

And also, how does pin placement affect this?

Is there a book or literature that I can buy at a pro-shop or a book store?

Thanks for your time.

Walter
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