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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Group Split Yet?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:40:31 GMT

J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Has this group split into all those that were voted on yet?
>I figured I would see from the menu but I won't know for certain
>if my menu never changes...

Yup, last Monday.  If the new r.b.* groups haven't shown up on your
machine yet, grumble at your system wizard.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:00:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <16190404@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>
>On the whole American women fare better at international level than
>American women, but I believe that is primarily due to more respect
>for women's racing in America than on the European continent.

I think the real reason that American women have faired better than
the male counterparts has to do with the Olympics.  The traditionally
strong countries in women's events(AKA Eastern Bloc) have used the
Olympics to showcase their governments.  For this reason, sports
development programs were geared toward sports that had Olympic
medals at stake.

In cycling, there were a great number of medals offered in both
road and track in the men's events, but up until 1984 there
were no women's events.

It is interesting to note that the American women have had much
less success on the track since 1988 when the sprints were held
in the Olympics for the first time and the 3000km pursuit was new
for the 1992 games.  This may just be coincidence, who knows?

BTW, the Eastern Bloc countires have never really placed a high
priority on the road race event at the Olympics.  Sure, they want
to win it, but they have usually put more effort into events where
luck plays less of a role like time trial events.  Eddy B. once said
that the Eastern Bloc countries refer to the road race as a "crap shoot".

Don't get me wrong, the American women are a strong bunch of competitors,
but there are a few factors at play that may not be completely
revealed to the casual observer.

Bruce

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: judiths@eliot.uucp (Judith Speck)
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do
Reply-To: judiths@usisun.UUCP (Judith Speck)
Organization: UNITECH Software, Inc., Reston, VA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:00:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.204404.27630@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> bnrmtl!morris@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.ca writes:
>
>As to his other problem (speed differential between him and his wife),
>I have the same problem (this is recent because I bought her the bike
>late in the season).  I discussed it with the owner of the shop where
>I bought my bike.  It's a common problem.
>
>I prefer the tandem solution.  We rented one for a day last summer (we
>toured the Rideau canal in Ottawa) and it was lots of fun.
>Unfortunately, I don't have the spare bucks available to buy one right
>now.
>
>My working solution is to go out on fast training rides alone and ride
>slowly with my wife when I ride with her.
>
>The other standard solution is to weigh down your bike.  Do you have
>kids?  If so, you carry the child seat.  If not, load up your panniers
>(with rocks or something).  This is sort of like handicapping in horse
>races.  It will force you to work harder to go the same speed and
>you'll still get your workout.
>
>Morris Bernstein		 phone:	(514) 765-8275


  I don't know about the rocks idea....I don't think I'd like to 
ride weighed down like that.  I have a similar speed differential problem
with my boyfriend since I was on a racing team for a few years, and 
his sports are baseball, basketball, etc.  The tandem was great except
for the fact that I like to spin more than he does, and he was 
in the driver's seat, adn I was in the stoker's position yelling "SHIFT!"
a lot.  Oh well, it was still a lot of fun.  Another thing is just to
get the slower person to draft you on a windy day.   This will really
make up for a strength difference.  We've also found that on mountain
bikes, off-road we're a little more equal.  He's more coordinated than
I am, but I'm a much better aerobic athlete, so the fact that mountain
biking is both technical and aerobic makes us fairly even.  He's got the
balls to go down a rocky hill fast, but I make up for it on the uphill
and can easily catch him.

  One thing that really annoys me that I saw when I was working in a 
bike shop was the way that couples buy bikes.  The male usually buys
himself something nice and then buys his wife something much lower, 
since "she doesn't ride as well".  Right, he expects her to keep up
on a Schwinn Crisscross while he's on a high end road or mountain bike.
It used to annoy me to no end!  (By the way, the guy usually wasn't a
serious rider--I live near DC, where overweight people with too much
money buy Merlins to ride on the bike path.)  I'm going to buy us a pair
of similar mtn. bikes for Christmas.


Judi
 

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: consumer report rating
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:30:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.152114.9981@microsoft.com>
peterwu@microsoft.com (Peter Wu) writes:
 
>
>I want to buy an medium quality mountain/city bike but am relunctant
>to spend months researching which bike to buy (by then it'll be winter).
>
>Last year's consumer report rated some bikes. The recommended mountain
>bike was Giant Iguana, and the city bike was Jazz Voltage.
>
>Can someone comment whether the way they rated bikes were valid?
>Or if you have experience/knowledge with the above bikes, can you
>comment on the + and - sides?
>
>The Iguana is on sale for $300, is it a good price?
 
It's often been said of consumer reports that they really seem to be good...
until they venture into an area you know something about ;-)
 
I don't have any experience with either of the bikes mentioned, though
I have found Giant's line to be of quality. But there are so many similar
high-quality brands these days that the low end of mountain and city bikes
has a practically limitless selection of good bikes between $275 and $350.
I would venture to say that at that level it's more important to find a
good dealer than to shop brands. Getting the right fit and after-sale
service are of paramount concern.
 
                   --mike
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe Six-pack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What to rename "clipless" pedals?
Followup-To: alt.usage.english
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:19:04 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu
Summary: Clueless

In article <9208261655.AA10213@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>> Perhaps we should stick to the subject of bicycling, eh?
>>
>> Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Perhaps this hasn't a lot to do with anything, either bicycles or for that
>matter net news.  I suppose titles and job description give more weight to
>your opinions in the eyes of some readers.  I am not impressed.  You might
>try letting your words rest on their own merit.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

   Since you can't figure it out, that's called a signature.
It's not unlike the (redundant) inclusion of your email
address at the end of the articles you submit.  Its relevance
to this particular newsgroup is more that it shows what I don't
do for a living.  For example, it tells you that I am not a
bicycle manufacturer, distributor, seller, or professional
racer.  Admittedly, it has much more relevance in, say, the
sci.image.processing or sci.planets newsgroups.  However, in
this particular instance, the fact that I'm a Research Programmer
indicates that I do participate in research, and could, if I
wished, research for you the meaning of the words non sequitur,
ad hominem, and etiquette.
   I had specified followups to alt.usage.english, in an attempt
to redirect the non-bicycle traffic to a much more appropriate
forum (for the slow of mind, that was the thrust of my original
follow-up).  However, it seems there are some who would rather
continue to pollute this newsgroup.  If you really want to discuss
clipless pedals, change the followup line back to this group.

ObBike:
   Clipless pedals?  Is *that* the source of the spate of loud
clicking at the start of the ride I just did with the local
Wheelmen?  If so, they must be catching on-- there were quite
of few of 'em.
--
Joel Plutchak, Bicycle-riding Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hsiu@octel.com (Helen Hsiu)
Subject: Transporting my bicycle
Organization: Octel Communications Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:43:55 GMT

I will be flying with my bicycle (not on) and would like to know the best
way to pack it and the cheapest way to get it there.  Some specific
questions which come to mind are:

	- I have access to a Performance brand soft bicycle case.  Would
	  this be safer than a regular cardboard bicycle box?  

	- The airline (American) says it will charge me $45 dollars each
	  way!!!  But they also hint that the fee may be waived if the 
	  plane is not full and the attendant at the desk happens to be 
	  in a good mood.  What are folks' experience with this?  

	- Should I take this risk (see above) or ship the bike for 
	  approximately $40 round trip via UPS instead?

	- Do I have any other alternatives?  I'm willing to try to cram 
	  all my other possessions into a carry-on if two boxes are 
	  required. 

Thank you in advance for any experiences, advice, or opinions.  Direct
messages are preferred, I don't want to miss anything.

Helen
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: Re: Wearing street shoes on clipless pedals
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:21:37 GMT

andy
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:57:42 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

MY wife doesn't wear one either.  She turfed herself last weekend,
resulting in a sprain, a variety of bruises, and much imagining
of what it could have been like had she landed on her noggin 
instead of her hip and shoulder.  Oh, yeah, and no-helmet chewings-
out by nearly everybody she told about the incident, including some 
whom she didn't even know were bicyclists.  Her desire to go helmet 
shopping before riding again has increased dramatically.

One data point, worth what you paid or even less.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: What to rename "clipless" pedals?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:34:59 GMT

In article <9208261655.AA10213@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

   Joel Plutchak writes:

   > Perhaps we should stick to the subject of bicycling, eh?
   >
   > Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Perhaps this hasn't a lot to do with anything, either bicycles or for that
   matter net news.  I suppose titles and job description give more weight to
   your opinions in the eyes of some readers.  I am not impressed.  You might
   try letting your words rest on their own merit.


Geez, Jobst, what'd you eat for breakfast? Give the guy a break.

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Subject: re: Taya "No Chain Tool Required" Chain
Originator: lisap@olomana
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:15:15 GMT

 James Trammell (trammell@engin.umich.edu) asks:
 >I've seen ads recently about a new chain on the market, made by a company
 >called Taya.  It seems they have 2 models, the Taya Relief and the Taya
 >Extreme.  Both are advertised as having a special master links that can be
 >snapped on or off with just the hands, i.e. no chain tool is needed.  They
 >also talk about the virtues of their chain plates and how the pins are
 >flush with the plate surfaces.  Has anyone tried this new chain?

Yes, I just got one a few weeks ago as a prize in a mountain bike race.
The box says it works with any freewheel, so I tried it on my Hyperglide
cassette.  It's easy to put on, and the chain plates are flush with the
plate surfaces.  And it seems to work fine with my Hyperglide cassette -
shifting seems quiet and quick.  The instructions say not to re-use the
master link, and they only give you 1 spare.  I think I'm going to try
re-using the link and maybe carry the spare with me just in case.  BTW,
I've never had a Hyperglide chain on the bike; only a Sedis.

Lisa Petersen
From: keithw@cs.uq.oz.au (Keith Whitwell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: FAQ for new subgroups?
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:43:33 GMT
Reply-To: keithw@cs.uq.oz.au

In <9209011720.AA20881@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Keith Whitwell writes:

>< Perhaps the current FAQ should remain as is, but allow junior FAQ's to start
>< from nothing in each of the new groups as each develops an actual flavour,
>< as distinct from the charter statement.

>Perhaps you are volunteering to be the moderator for these many files????


Are you tacitly supporting the idea by proceeding to the next step, finding moderators
(pl) for these files?

- or 

Are you stating that there is a solid line of reasoning that leads you to the
conclusion that the proposed files could have together exactly one moderator?

- or

(uncharitably) Is it just a brush-off?

- or

Something else altogether.



Keith
From: fink@acf3.NYU.EDU (Howard Fink,Ed Site,83422,_)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Cutting with a Router?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:52:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

I've done it.  A half inch trimmer bit will hog through 3/4" plywood.
A quarter-inch bit will cut 4/4 lumber, but it better be sharp and
carbide.  Three passes through the wood is of course much better than
one.  I built a bed once with 4" radius corners and glued on 3/4 oak
edging.  A trimmer bit cut it nicely with one pass.

Howard Fink
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:22:32 EDT
From:         FABY000 <FABY@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      need belt sander recomendation

I have a Delta belt sander, 4 inch?, the rather inexpensive one.  Last
year I purchased the Shopsmith power station and amongthe machines I
have for it is their belt sander.  I am satisfied with it and find
myself using it for many projects.  However, I suggest you consider
planing by hand to even your boards if you have edge glued them.  I
agree with several others on the network that planing can be a very
enjoyable activity any is much better technic than sanding to get a even
surface.  Less noise, dust etc.  Roger Barry
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: stevenj@microsoft.com (Steven Johnson)
Subject: Northstate Equipment (Leneave)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:55:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Northstate Leneave

Last time I requested information on panel raising planes, and got only 
one response.  So, let's see if the power tool advocates can do any better.
(Kind of like an old-fashioned one-side-of-the-sidelines-screaming vs. the
other approach :^) ).  I've seen ads in FWW for Northstate machines --
can anyone compare their tablesaw to the Delta Unisaw or Powermatic 66?
Are they made in North America?  What kind of a reputation does
Leneave (the distributor) have?


Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Smoothing edges from a table saw cut(HOW?)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:36:56 GMT

>In article <1992Aug24.224132.16593@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>jhp@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Jim H. Puga) writes:
>>: I've started my bookcase project and have a question.  I cut my
>>: pieces a little bigger than needed and figured I would straighten
>>: out the edges by some other means(I didn't want to try and do
>>: exact cuts on the table saw).

So far I've seen just about every power tool mentioned in this thread
except a jackhammer.

What's this aversion to a plane? You only have to lay the board on a flat
surface and the plane on it's side and make a couple of passes with that
and you're done.

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                    | If you take a dog which is starving and feed him
George Patterson -  | and make him prosperous, that dog will not bite
                    | you. This is the primary difference between a dog
                    | and a man.             Samuel Clemens
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Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: bennett@adobe.com(Bennett Leeds)
Subject: Re: Incra jigs
Reply-To: bennett@adobe.com
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:12:48 GMT

Chip Coffin writes
> 
> Bennett just got me on my last posting.  The bit about 1/64 increments... 

Actually, I think a reasonable way to get 1/64" incremental positioning would 
be to put the two jigs not end to end as Chip suggested, but in parallel. Have 
the zero point of the jigs be off by 1/64" and have them both attached to the 
same fence. 

Now the trick here is to lock only one of the jigs down at a time (you can't 
really lock both since they'll "fight" over the locked position). Jig A is for 
distances that are multiples of 1/32", Jig B is for multiples of 1/64". Of 
course, it doubles the effective cost of the fence. I believe the ruler in the 
Pro models is slidable, so with either jig you can read the setting on the 
scale.

But, I guess I'm still waiting for the 48" SuperPro model before I put this
kind of setup on my tablesaw.  ;^)

BTW, I haven't actually tried this - it's a theory only. If anyone does try
it, let me know how it works.

- Bennett Leeds
bennett@adobe.com
"And remember this - there's no more important safety rule than to wear these:  
safety glasses."
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: neves@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (David &)
Subject: joining edges of wood
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:46:13 GMT

I want to make a chest of drawers for my preschooler.  I am a relative novice
with just a few portable power tools (including a just purchased router).

I was thinking of using plywood for the carcass of the chest but was
also wondering about using (pine) 1 bys and gluing them together.  My
questions:

Is carpenter glue the appropriate glue to do this?

What width of 1 bys does one usually glue together?  Would the width
of these 1 bys be different for the top and the sides?

Is it enough to just use glue or would one also have to use dowels or
something similar to connect the edges of wood?  If just using glue is
making the edges straight by using a router good enough?  I've read
something about hollowing the middle of the edges slightly for long
pieces of wood.  Is that necessary here?

-Thanks for any help, David

--
neves@ils.nwu.edu
Institute for the Learning Sciences, 1890 Maple, Evanston Il 60201
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: ericb@microsoft.com (Eric Brown)
Subject: Re: Need advice on a rota-hammer
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:13:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp

Bernie Kosicki writes:
|I have a buddy who is a professional cement finisher.  He basically does
|any kind of cement work except pouring foundations.  He has a Hitachi
|hammer-drill which he purchased about a year ago, and raves about all
|the time.  It's pretty big, I beleive it weighs 13 pounds.  One drawback
|is that it is priced high.  He did give me a demo, and it put a hole in
|his basement floor with virtually no effort at all (his wife wasn't
|impressed).
|
|
|Bernie Kosicki
|kosicki@s35.Prime.com

I have a Bosch rotohammer.  It is at home and I am not, so I don't
have the model number.  If my recall serves me, it is called a
"Bulldog" and is rated at 7/8".  It cost less than $200 including a
steel case.  I have been very happy with it.  It is powerful, light-
weight and confortable to use.  I have been using it to drill a
variety of hole sizes up to 1/2" diameter.  The only thing that is
disappointing is the price of the chipping attachment: $90 plus
chisels.  If you pay ~$500 for a 1-1/2" hammer drill, then you get
chipping built in - you get what you pay for here.  I have used the
Hitachi 1-1/2" drill; it is nice if you can afford it, but most
home owners would not need anything that beefy.

    Eric

-- 
    Eric
                 Microsoft PSS R&D, OnLine Development Team
            {sun, uw-beaver, apple, uunet, fluke}!microsoft!ericb 
                       internet: ericb@microsoft.com
From: coffin@surfin.Eng.Sun.COM (Chip Coffin)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Incra jigs
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:37:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: coffin@surfin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: surfin


Bennett just got me on my last posting.  The bit about 1/64 increments, 

Pretend like you didn't read it.  Actually, it would work *if* one of the
jigs was at a 120 degree angle WRT the other, but this is sounding more like 
a rube goldberg while-you-wait.




chip
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Air Compressor Wisdom
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:02:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> Also, has anyone used PVC (sched 40 or 80) for 125 pound air?  I notice
> that all the air in the lab here is in 3/4 inch copper pipe.

It will burst.  There is plastic tubing availble designed for air
distribution though.  There were some "Now I Know" type letters in
FWW about this.

-Ron
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking