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From: dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Followup-To: aus.music
Date: 16 Oct 1992 08:01:23 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: aus
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You look for the exotic... some of my favourite songs are in weird time
signatures. Try these out (couple of Aussies * included):
    "Cattle and Cane" by the Go-Betweens *. Now is that a bar of 4, bar of
2, bar of 5?
    "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers. Can't remember.
    "Shine Your Light" by the 87 Fat Girls *. Everyone loved it until they
tried to dance to it. 5/4.
    "Eighthless" by Hypersnap *. 7/8 and you _can_ dance to it.
    About four tracks on PJ Harvey's brilliant album "Dry". There's a
couple in 5/4, one with the occasional extra beat at random, and a track
("Fountain" from memory) I'm pretty sure is 14/8 (not 7/4): H.H.H.hH...hh.
where H is strong beats, h medium, and . weak.

But then I used to like that hymn in compound 12/8, the one with "Who doth
thy sevenfold gifts impart". Call me twisted.

... in women and in music.

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Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.music.alternative
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:11:27 GMT

summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:

[deleted info on Age article about record companies rigging charts]

>I'm not disputing the content, of course, but my curiosity is piqued as
>to why one particular member of the Australian media should be taking
>so much interest...

I have no idea...! Got any theories? Know any connections between
the various media entities? Is the Age affiliated with one of the
companies which is currently losing the chart rigging war? And that's
why they are making this info known so that the people and industry in
general will more quickly move towards a "fair" uncheatable (funny word,
that) chart system?

Paul


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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:37:17 GMT
Distribution: aus
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mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) writes:
: 
: 
: Um..  sorry dude.. but Steve WAS playing bass.. just a six string one..
: he often plays six string bass..  I must admit, I wondered what he was doing
: when I saw the 6 stringed instrument in his hands, but I quickly worked
: it out..
: 
: Matt..

	Rather strange since normally six string bass's have
at least one string below the normal E.  Hence a very bassy bass.
His "bass" was not very bassy.
	Maybe he just didn't play down low.
	I couldn't actually see what he was doing - but it sounded
fairly short on for bass.  
	Maybe it was just a weedy sound?

		CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: CD PRICES
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:33:54 GMT

s1170796@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (DANGERMAN (P. Grant)) writes:


>If the prices of CD's are getting you down, just do what I do.  Wait a few
>years when the CD will go down into a $15 or $20 box in your local record
>store and buy the sucker then.  I did that today picking up John Cougar
>Mellencamp's  LONSOME JUBELEE for $15 and Thin Lizzy's  LIVE & DANGEROUS
>for  $15 which is a bonus cos it runs for 76 minutes, thats about 20 cents per
>minute.

That's a reasonable plan, and may help, especially if you like mainstream
music. Unfortunately the alternative/dance/other stuff usually seems to
just get rarer and rarer as you wait around, and seems to maintain its
price as well!! (ARGH) Not only that, sometimes you can't find it here
like the Shamen's original En-tact.
it's bad, isn't it?
Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:39:16 GMT

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl "Bleve" Brewer) writes:

>(sorry,  but I'm a bass player, and find this stuff a bit amusing!)

	Yeah, OK, two octaves then.  I made a mistake...but then, I think 
the bass VI was only one octave lower.  I've never seen one up close  (and I
play bass myself when six strings are too boring...HATE those contemporary
5- and 6-string basses, but I'd love to check out a Bass VI).

	By the way, anyone want to sell a Fender Jaguar (or even a Jazzmaster)?
Even an indication of what I could expect to pay would be interesting.

				Matthew

PS: Why is it amusing when someone makes a trivial slip like that?  Who
	actually compares where the ranges of bass and guitar overlap
	anyway?  As long as it sounds good, detail makes no contribution.
	(See the quote at the bottom of the post you replied to for the
	best attitude to take...when you pull noises like Bilinda and
	Kevin do out of guitars, you can argue pitch ranges with me
	till the break of day and I'll listen tirelessly...)
Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
From: davidc@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au (David Cake)
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:02:24 GMT

First, cs.general, a group for computer science department announcements,
may not be a good forum for announcements like this. Perhaps something for
the whole of UWA? aus.music is also an innapropriate forum, as goes out
to all of Australia, not just UWA. 

Now an actual reply (please reply to me via email, or on some more appropriate
forum). Your club sounds like two clubs rolled innto one, an alternative music
club and a political club. The alternative music club sounds like a good idea,
however be aware that it also sounds like a lot of work (more than you might
thinnk), and that such clubs (there have been a few before) inevitably fold
when the founders stop working. Perhaps a club with some affiliations with
6RTR?
	A politics club is not a good thing to combine with a music club. The
connection between the two may make sense to you, but not to a lot of others.
Particularly as from your remarks against 'left-wing' clubs I assume that your
politics are fairly right wing (I cann think of several alternative bands that
are left wing activists, but a lot less who are right wing) but even if you 
were left-wing it would still be a mistake. Making yourself overtly political
will alienate a lot of potential punters. 
					Catch you round
							Dave Cake
P.S. I would be interested in talking to you some more about this, but use
a more appropriate forum.

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: "Promotion only"
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:11:28 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)


In article <1bgutvINNs85@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>, rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Taylor [The Banshee]) writes:
|> I've recently picked up a copy of the Falling Joys "Incinerator" CD single.
|> the plastic case bears the standard round sticker proclaiming "2 previously
|> unreleased tracks" etc., but the back of the insert has, in silver print, a
|> box stating "Promotion only  Not for sale".  I've seen other CDs around with
|> this type of statement printed on them (and all for sale!).  Does this have
|> any meaning - ie. is it really not for sale &/or limited release, or it just
|> a marketing ploy to make the buyer think it's something special? 

Did you buy this as 'second hand?'

It will be a genuine promotional CD.  It's real common to see these second 
hand - as radio stations, reviewers and DJs sometimes sell their promo CDs
if they don't like them (pretty bad eh?) to make some extra bucks.

They aren't supposed to be re-sold (hence the sticker/print)  - but noone
seems to give a shit anyhow.

I haven't seen many promos that offer extra tracks or 'special' remixes to
make it worthwhile buying.

brian
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From: s893971@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Adrian Ugoni)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Clouds tonite in brisbane?
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:14:53 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

I think the Clouds are playing tonite in brisbane.
Does anyone know exactly where?

My guess is the Pineapple Club. But I am most likely wrong.

Please reply SOON.

Thanks.
Adrian

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From: milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:51:17 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: scofield.corp.sun.com


For examples of shifting meters (as opposed to unusual but steady meters),
there are off-the-wall songs from old Beatles albums you could check out.
They were usually among the less popular songs, of course.  Two that come
to mind right away are "Good Morning Good Morning" from Sgt. Pepper, and
"Happiness is a Warm Gun" from the White Album.  These are both Lennon
songs.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron)
Subject: Brian May's new song - Too much love will kill you
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:06:02 GMT


Has this being getting any airplay, does anyone know?

It's wild!


Greg
From: carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Who are Cleopatra Wong?
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:05:26 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: rossi.ee.uts.edu.au

leeSJ@elec.uq.oz.au (Simon Lee) writes:


>Hi all,

>Managed to rent the Cleopatra Wong EP CD the other day,
>and was quitue impressed by it.  I thought it was similar
>in style to Voice of the Beehive and just as good.

>My question is, who are they?  I was told that they
>were members from some other Australian bands
>but I have no idea apart from that.

Amanda Brown from the Go-Betweens on violin, guitar and vocals,
and the other woman from the Go-betweens who's name escapes me
plays drums. Funny, I would never have compared them to Voice of 
the Beehive. I saw Cleopatra Wong
at the Phonecian Club once and thought they were very boring,
but that's just my tates...  a lot of people who like 
sweet voices and pretty guitar think they're wonderful...


	Carol
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From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:09:49 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Oct12.033800.28106@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon) writes:
>pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>
>>Just a couple of odd things I've noticed and want to verify.
>
>>1) RHCP Breaking the Girl. Rather weird rhythm. It seems to be 3/4
>>at first, and then changes to 6/8 at the first chorus and stays there
>>even when the verse comes back. The 3/4 bar is the same length as the
>>6/8 bar, i.e. not values remain the same, but the accents change.

Since when has 3/4 or 6/8 been wierd?
 
>Dunno.  I'll listen to it again tonight.
>
>>2) Kate Ceberano singing that Superstar song. Is this in 5/4 as I
>>seem to count it?
>
>Everything's Alright is in 5/4.
>
>Couple of others:  "Straight to my Heart" by Sting, off "Nothing Like the
>Sun" is in 7/4.  

"Money" by Pink Floyd is in 5/4.

Are you sure it's not in 7/4 as well - or alternating 3 and 4 beat bars?

Other noted 5/4's are 

Take 5 - Dave Brubeck - also unsquare dance in 7/4
Living in the Past - Jethro Tull

Interestingly there are a couple of Kiwi bands at the moment who appear
to use 3/4 extensively.  



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From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: INXS's single "Not Enough Time"
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:16:51 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

Does anyone know when "Not Enough Time" by INXS is going be released in
Australia. It has recently hit the American Charts, and I'm looking forward
to it hitting here. Also, it seems to me that the first two singles, Heaven
Sent and Baby Don't Cry haven't been released yet in America, so can anyone
tell me why they would do such a thing? ( If they have, that is! )

Thanks

Andrew

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From: t9014155@phillip.edu.au (T-BONE)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Brian May's new song - Too much love will kill you
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:08:40 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <summer.718495512@murillo>, summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:
> barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:
> 
>>Has this being getting any airplay, does anyone know?
> 
> But I haven't heard it on the radio yet, which means the first time
> I hear it in full will probably be *after* I go out and buy the
> CD single (I restrained myself from picking up an import copy in
> Gaslight a month or so ago for $22!) I'll take your comment above
> as being a good review.

I heard it last Friday( I think) on 3MMM late at night - I mistook it for
a Queen song.  But yes it does sound great.

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Erotica (and Tom Waits)
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:56:40 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)


In article <leroy.718365549@syzygy>, leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

|> With REM, Faith No More, Peter Gabriel, Tom Waits, Suzanne Vega, U2, Madonna 
|> and all those other bands changing their approaches or just producing very 
|> different music to their usual, is the mainstream now more interesting than the
|> indie scene - or is it just more interesting than the Australian independents?

depends on what you find interesting to start with.  If you find U2 and 
Suzanne Vega making danceable songs interesting, then maybe the former applies,
but to you.

As for Tom Waits' new one - I might not call it commercial myself, but I 
certainly do call it a great album.  Well worth listening to.

Anyone seen videos to any of Tom's new songs?

brian
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From: carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Alternative Mainstream
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:37:14 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: rossi.ee.uts.edu.au

leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

>Is it the band, or the fans? I had someone blasting me for singing along to
>Club Hoy (as they're unoriginal, boring - just a girlie band). This mystery 
>person (Hi Carol!) is going to L7. Hah.

Yeah but L7's no girlie band!

(aside: Carol's dictionary definition of "girlie" says silly, pampered,
unimaginitive and exactly like Club Hoy)

			
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: Erotica
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date:  7 Oct 92 01:51:19 GMT

brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:

>leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

> >Heard the new Madonna ("Erotica") today. Quick impression: it's a cross
> >between "Justify My Love" and Public Enemy circa "Night of the Living
> >Baseheads," 

>"Justify My Love" was 99% Public Enemy, anyway.

Justify My Love was based around a drum loop from a "Nation of Millions" 
track - I've forgotten which one. This isn't 99%. (Interestingly, the Edge
used the same beat for his "Clockwork Orange" orchestration. Or so he said.)

To be specific, Erotica has a relatively "hardcore" arrangement (for a big 
name musician) that reminded me of Public Enemy. There weren't any
sirens (which are the real trademark of "Baseheads" period PE) but the 
backing is dense rather than melodic. 

For anyone without the guarenteed airplay, sales and exposure Madonna has, this 
would be a "risky" single. Even ignoring the lyrics, this is more extreme 
than commerical radio will usually deal with. But that's their problem. Again.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: ins141f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Adam Bradley)
Subject: Prices ?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:41:28 GMT


  Wasn't there going to be an enquiry into CD prices and the like.  (It may have
already been done by the Prices Survalence Authority - sorry about answering
my own question !)

When are findings/actual changes due to be implemented ?

Anyone ?


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Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: pics available via anonymous ftp
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:46:29 GMT


Hello,

2 pictures are available for peeking at from mel.dit.csiro.au
in the directory "staff/brian/tt"

They are in compressed TIFF format or regular GIF.

They are: scan of photo of Tlot Tlot (B&W dithered)
	  scan of humerous Tlot Tlot poster (B&W dithered)

brian
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From: mvanheyn@mango.ucs.indiana.edu (Marc VanHeyningen)
Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.music
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club (PLEASE STOP CROSSPOSTING)
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University
X-Quoted: 40%

Thus said janet@cs.uwa.oz.au (Janet Jackson):
>aus.music gets exported to at least the entire country, who really
>don't want to know.

It gets exported beyond the country... :-)
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:33:24 GMT

cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

>mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) writes:
>: 
>: 
>: Um..  sorry dude.. but Steve WAS playing bass.. just a six string one..

>	Rather strange since normally six string bass's have
>at least one string below the normal E.  Hence a very bassy bass.
>His "bass" was not very bassy.
>	Maybe he just didn't play down low.
>	I couldn't actually see what he was doing - but it sounded
>fairly short on for bass.  
>	Maybe it was just a weedy sound?

	I saw the video for "Ripple" and thought, "Gee, three guitars!".
I have since remembered the Fender Bass VI, which has the same tuning as
an ordinary guitar one octave lower.  Body shape is similar to the 
Jazzmaster / Jaguar classics, with the bottom "horn" or whatever it's called
removed.  That seems to be the solution to the puzzle...it's a bass with
two higher strings (B, E) added, and it looks like a guitar.

			Feel free to correct if it's not right.

				Matt.

P.S: I always thought Peter Koppes was the useless one in the band...Steve's
	bass, Marty's 12-string glissades - yes!  Peter's "rock-hero" solos - 
	no!!  I think the Church will be better off (though I will admit
	that "As You Will" was a good song).  Long live solo-free music!

"It's like this -- if you asked me to play a scale right now I probably
	couldn't."  Bilinda Butcher, goddess singer and guitar sorceress
			for My Bloody Valentine, the greatest band in the
			world that isn't Throwing Muses...
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:12:36 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Original Message From: miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Original Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
 
>I really don't know why people think Australia was hit so hard by the
>recession. Australia's economic figures have been consistantly better
>than most of the rest of the OECD.
 
Try telling that to the 1,000,000 registered unemployed. I am sure they
are real pleased to know that "economically" they are well off.
 
 
Newsgroups: aus.politics