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From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: elections
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:38:16 GMT

In article <BxHztu.Ep3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>	My biggest fear from a "successful" Clinton presidency is the
>prospect of anti-progress environmental extremist Al Gore being the
>front-runner eight years from now.

Whether or not you consider Al Gore an environmental extremist depends
on how you feel about the condition of the world today. Of course,
there will always be people ready and willing to label anybody who
wants to change the status quo as "extremist" just like those who
fought for a woman's right to vote and civil rights were labelled as
extremists and radicals.

However, to label Al Gore as anti-progress seems to me just plain
wrong. I guess you don't know this but Al Gore is the one pushing
strongly for a high-speed, high-bandwidth fiber optic networking
system to replace today's aging Internet. This hardly seems
anti-progress to me. Al Gore is also the one who is pushing for
investments in other technologies like super computers and high-speed
rail. His belief in the importance of technology is one of the main
reason why many Silicon Valley executives switched allegiences this
year and backed Clinton. Unlike Bush, who has trouble turning on a
computer, Gore is fascinated by the potential for technology to make
all of our lives better.

Now you may think Gore is anti-progress because he favors protecting
the environment. But here again you are wrong. Just like in the 70's
and 80's when Japan and Europe taught the U.S. a brutal lesson that
sticking with the status quo is a good way to lose money in a
business, they are once again posed to teach the same lesson to the
U.S. with regards to environmental concerns. But at least there are
some companies in the U.S. who took those previous lessons to heart
and are trying to help protect the environment. And you know what?
These companies are finding out that by rethinking the way they do
business to be more environmentally conscious, they are saving money,
while still helping the environment. IBM decided that they would
eliminate CFC's from their PCB construction process, and guess what
happened. They discovered that the alternate process not only saves
them money and helps the environment, it also does a better job of
cleaning the boards. Imagine that!

Gore believes that by investing in "green" technologies and
encouraging companies to do business in a more environmentally sound
fashion, we can grow our economy and help our environment at the same
time. I hardly think this philosophy is "anti-progress."

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
From: andrew.stark@uuworld.via.mind.ORG (Andrew Stark) 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: THIS IS A TEST
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:12:00 GMT
Reply-To: andrew.stark@uuworld.via.mind.ORG (Andrew Stark) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Micro Exchange - Kenwood, CA - 707-833-4032

        This is a test from uuworld.  Are we getting out?

Andrew
                                                              
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: nkill  (Was: Re: KILLING a Poster rather than a Post)
Organization: Netcom - San Jose, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:19:23 GMT

In article <thurlow.720993030@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
>
>NKILL(1)               Unix Man Pages                  NKILL(1)
>
>NAME
>     nkill - terminate a network user with extreme prejudice
>
>SYNOPSIS
>     nkill [ -how ] user@host ...
>     nkill -l
>
>EXAMPLES
>     nkill fool@dumbshit.edu
>     nkill -SHOOT idiot@silly.edu
>     nkill @psuvm.psu.edu
>
>Unix Release             26 August 1992                        1
>
>dhostwo[73]% nkill -l
>BOMB STAB SHOOT STRANGLE SUFFOCATE BLUDGEON LETHAL_INJECTION POISON
>POLITICALLY SLOWLY QUICKLY PAINFULLY MERCIFULLY QUIETLY
>
>Rob T

 Very funny post.  I enjoyed it.

 Now, some of my wished for nkills:

   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Anti-Choicers@USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Censorshipers@USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  RNC-attendees@USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Operation-Rescue@USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Life-Chain@USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Pat-Buchanan@office.USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Marilyn-Quayle@home.VP.USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Dan-Quayle@office.VP.USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Bruce-Herschensohn@office.VP.USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Pope@office.Catholic.Church.Vatican
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Deficit-Enlargers@offices.government.USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Entitlements-for-citizens@USA
   nkill -POISON SLOWLY PAINFULLY  Affirmative-Action@USA

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Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.motss,soc.couples,soc.men,soc.women
From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Presidential Poll- The Final Results!
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:31:09 GMT

In article <RT4RTB1w165w@spud.kludge.com> centaur@spud.kludge.com (Victor Scott Rose) writes:
>However, Clinton got 73% of the vote here in San Francisco. The highest 
>percentage in the state. I wouldn't be too surprised if places in 
>arkansas were the only places where percentage are higher...

Clinton received 86% of the popular vote in the District of Columbia.  In
Arkansas he received 54% (there ought to be a breakdown in the Arkansas
newspapers).

>I wonder if there was any other block of 300,000+ who voted so 
>overwhelmingly for Clinton...
>Exact #s  Total votes cast for Pres in SanFrancisco   305,316
> Total # of votes for Clinton in SanFrancisco         222,047

DC had a very low turnout compared to the states although higher than in
past elections, but the numbers were 186,301 for Clinton, 19,813 for Bush,
and 9,284 for Perot.

-- Herb Huston
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:50:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.thurlow.721237831
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In <1992Nov5.175229.21381@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:

>That is great, Bush has been critized in the news for months for spending too
>much money on other peoples problems when we have our own money problems at 
>home.  Now he is being roasted because he didn't send more money overseas.
>JUST WHAT DOES A POLITICIAN HAVE TO DO?

SPEND THE MONEY WHERE THE RETURN IS VERY GOOD (like population control
in Mexico, you know that country just across the southern border) AND
NOT VETO THINGS BASED ON RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT, that's what.

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"I get so tickled debunking bad personal philosophy." - Milquetoast
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Money and the Single World (was: Education and the Single World
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:10:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:

>Scenerio 1:  You find out the person you are interested in makes
>    *quite* a bit more than you do.  Does it make a difference to you?
>  
Dunno, never happened.

>Scenerio 2:  You find out the person you are interested in makes
>    *quite* a bit less than you do.  Does it make a difference to you?
>  
Doesn't make a difference in my deciding whether to get involved with 
the person.

>Have you had someone break up with you over money issues?  
>
My ex-SO and I broke up in part over money issues. Specifically, he was
unemployed and then employed part-time, continually looking for full-time
work, and I was employed full-time. He felt insecure about his situation.
We regularly got into fights because I often wanted to spend more than he
did on entertainment and food, and he accused me of being insensitive to
his situation (probably true). After a year and a half (by which time he 
owed me several thousand dollars), I lost confidence in him.

Over the course of the relationship it also became clear to me that we had
big differences in how we liked to spend our money. He wanted to furnish
the apartment with stuff out of garage sales. I was making a lot of money
for the first time in my life, and I wanted more expensive things. His
garage sale furniture offended me, and he thought my storebought furniture
was a waste of money.

--
Stef                   To see which way the tides are flowing, you have 
stef@apple.com         to feel the tea leaves.
                                          --New-age cliche hall of fame
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: puter@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: More to come...
Summary: Ah, smell that country air...
Keywords: CowPatti is cute...
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:47:57 GMT

 aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) tickles a bone...

>Given that I've never finished my BS...

More BS to come, eh?

-- 
(Puter is a deranged individual at puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com)
Faith is one of those words that connotes, however irrationally, some kind of
virtue in itself.				-- Louis J. Halle
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female boy/guy/male
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:51:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: grover.MARTINC.92Nov10165134
	<1992Nov10.060932.28448@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: Bathsheba.Grossman@launchpad.unc.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 06:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.060932.28448@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bathsheba.Grossman@launchpad.unc.edu (Bathsheba Grossman) writes:

   >To insist on making that distinction implies the necesity to make
   >distinctions among other attributes that characterise individuals of
   >the homo sapiens species. But that also implies loss of generality
   >and an (in MY opinion) makes spoken and written English more cumbersome.

   All right, I don't disagree with this; I'm not even sure I understand it.  
   But if I am to consider myself included in "Mankind" (and I'd prefer to
   belong to "people"), you will have to accept that I can be a chairman,
   poet, author, sculptor, mailman, waiter, seaman, &ct &ct.  I hope you won't
   find that disconcerting; some people may.

   In this vein, let it be known that any person who refers to me as a
   "sculptress" will receive a swift boot to the head.  This is a term whose
   excess specifity is not valuable in any context.  IMO.

I'll go with this.  (note the way that acting persons of either sex are
beginning to be called "actors").  I think it's both an excellent
practical solution and good linguistically.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles,ba.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: What is attractive
Organization: Netcom - San Jose, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:01:36 GMT

In article <1dn06rINN9f7@overload.lbl.gov> asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.042305.10150@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:
>>     10. Chemistry between she and I.

     Should have been "Chemistry between her and me."

>>     11. Good communicator.
>
>Obviously good grammar is not important.
>

     No comment.

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From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Searching for the Perfect Turkey
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:49:04 GMT
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com's message of 6 Nov 92 20:05:25 GMT

Well, obviously, you can't use last year's turkey.  Fresh turkeys are better.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.fan.lemurs
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: marital counciling
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 01:13:16 GMT

In article <Bx85v8.GIG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright) writes:
>
>>>stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes about a communication exercise:
>>>>You're supposed to spend an entire day together in one room
>>>>with no TV, books, &c, just talking to each other.
>
>>kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Me) writes:
>>>No telephone either.  No distractions at all.  
>(And you have to talk about yourselves, your relationship, and each other.
> Politics is right out.)
>
>>I guess your relationship WOULD be in trouble if you didn't consider 
>>your sweetie a distraction.  ;)
>
>You have a point.  MY sweety is _quite_ distracting.
>
>>>either, since my sweetie and I don't seem to lack communication.)
>>Does that mean _she_ knows how to pronounce your name?  :)
>
>If _you_ would like to know, you can always ask....
>
>>>Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
>
>>I kinda miss the Tapir.  I've been forgetting all my geography lately...
>
>Mmm hmm.  I wonder what my sweetie would say if I offered 
>to give geography lessons to some woman I met on the net.
>
>Hmm: well, I know lorises aren't lemurs, and, contrariwise, lemurs
>aren't lorises, but maybe this will help you get better:
>
>"The Lemur is one worse than the Monkey.  He is often mistaken for a
> squirrel, a rabbit, an Agouti, or anything but a Lemur.  He has been
> described as a state of mind or ectoplasm.  The Lemur is a primate
> because people say so.  The Lemur sleeps all day and nobody tells him
> that he is a tramp.  When disturbed he sort of squeaks.  Most Lemurs
> live in Madagascar, but they are never quite warm enough. ...
> Lemurs comb their hair with their lower front teeth. They mature
> almost instantaneously.  In a way we came from lemurs because they
> are also descended from an extinct Tree Shrew something like a large
> Rat.  From the Tree Shrew to the Dogfish is but a step, which
> practically brings us to the amoeba.  So perhaps the lemur is to blame
> for it all.".......Will Cuppy, _How To Tell Your Friends from the Apes_

My friends Nigel, Rudolpho, Eddie, J. Arthur, and the rest of the lemurs
too have often told me the very same thing.

>
>There.  Maybe that will help to keep you warm through those 
>cold and lonely city nights...
>

And if that doesn't work, I'll send J. Arthur Lemur over, and he can burn
some torts for you.


>-- 
>"Geographer, n. A chap who can tell you offhand 
> the difference between the outside of the world and the inside."
> .......................Ambrose Beirce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
>-- 
>
>Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>


Joel Furr
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:31:12 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Nov7122205@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <BxAMyG.7DE@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
[In regard to population control:]
>   I'll assume you mean my identification of George Bush as being one of the
>   chief obstacles. 
>
>Nope.  (You know better than that, Herb.  You said population control is
>the main issue, and I agreed.  What is it about campaign season that
>makes people prefer to try to score points over find answers?)

Since you hadn't posted a rebuttal to my identification, I had to resort to
an assumption despite my distaste for doing so.  I have no use for "points."

>                                                                Anyway,
>to paraphrase Stalin, how many priests can George provide?

George can provide dollars but chooses not to do so.  (Note for anyone
confused about Stalin and priests: During one of the wartime conferences,
Churchill mentioned some recommendation of the Pope's, and Stalin inquired as
to how many troops the Pope commanded.  This is a textbook example of the
logical fallacy of argumentum ad baculum or appeal to force.  It was in a
textbook that I read about it.)

>                                                            Last I saw,
>China, India, u.s.w. were being reasonably effective at population
>control, although they could use more help.

In China the rate of natural increase was 1.4% in 1987.  This is slightly
higher than the average rate for East Asia during the '80s despite coercive
policies and compulsory abortions.

In India the rate was 1.8%.

>                                             But the last I saw, the
>countries with by far the greatest population problem are the ones in
>which their dominant religious group forbids effective birth control or
>abortion.

Ethiopia at 4.7% and Kenya at 4.1% were the highest rates that I could find
in a non-exhaustive search.  Mexico's rate was 2.6%, Italy's was 0.05%, and
Eire's was 0.78%.

>   You might not like my specific recommendations, though.
>
>Depends on if you can separate your science from your politics.

How am I doing so far?

I had named George Bush as one of the chief obstacles to population control,
and later I named the Pope as the other.  I did not rank them at that time,
but based on the figures above and the effectiveness of dollars compared to
priests, I would rank the Pope second.  On January 20 Bill Clinton assumes
that position and will continue to do so until the U.S. government's policy
on funding of international population control efforts is rectified to my
liking.

-- Herb Huston
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: That wacky electoral college
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:28:29 GMT

In article <BxAD83.G18@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>
>>By the way, U.S. Senators have been elected by popular vote only
>>since 1913.  It took the 17th Amendment to make that possible.
>
>Yes, and that is the root of all evil--or at least the root of the
>current decline of Congress.

You'd prefer to have your U.S Senators selected by your state legislature?

>(The root of all evil is actually the income tax, which allowed the
>federal government to collect vast sums of money with no reason in
>mind.  Previously, the gummint had to come to the states with its hat
>in its hand and beg for money for its projects.)

It was the 16th Amendment that allowed the federal income tax.  Prior to
that the federal government derived a large portion of its income from
the collection of tariffs.  In 1892 Cleveland had run on a platform of
lowering tariffs, and he later had Congress pass an income tax to make up
the lost revenue.  The Supreme Court found it unconstitutional.

-- Herb Huston
From: tarra@skat.usc.edu (Tom)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What do you Am men think about Am wome
Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:22:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Nov13.220212.2779@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>getting enough sex?  (Particularly the ones who are in relationships--
>and find that after the first week or two their partner is more 
>interested in video games than in a few hours of passion.)

I'm not sure, I could be wrong here, but isn't this because the women you know
are dating older men?   And of course with older men these guys just can't 
perform the way younger men can.  I know I've said it in the past and you all
agreed that this was the case didn't you?

As far as what the original question was about what Am Men think about Am 
women, isn't this kind of a dumb generalization?  All women are in my opinion
beautiful in their own way. 


Tom

-- 
"Chicks dig me because I rarely wear underwear"  
					Bill Murray
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: That wacky electoral college
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:25:46 GMT
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In <1992Nov5.174602.21218@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:

>1. Do away with the electoral college!

Well, it's always struck me as a real abberation, but I seriously doubt
this will ever be considered broken enough to fix, considering where it
came from.  It's amazing that it's so easy to change the makeup of the
U.S. by adding states (simple majority!) compared to this.

>2. Set term limits!  
>   [Does anyone know the results of the 14 states which had that on the 
>    ballot this time?  I haven't heard.]

It passed in all 14 states.  The problem is that they may not be able to
draft laws making their representatives subject to term limits, and that
this likely needs to be another constitutional amendment which will be
a real long time coming.  Also, if states laws to limit terms was deemed
legal, those states would tend to lose political clout, so early adopters
would be punished.

>3. Balanced budget admendment!

Well sure, but so did the Gramm-Rudman Deficit Reduction Act.  Look
how well *that* has worked.  There's got to be a better way to make
the politicians want-or-need to do the right thing.

>4. Line item veto!

Sounds good to me, but doesn't this put the president into the budget
process where he isn't constitutionally supposed to be?

>5. Check box for declaring 10% of your taxes to go against deficit!

This is just a gimmick, even more emptily symbolic than the balanced
budget amendment.  If everyone who might check such a box on their tax
form would phone or write their congresscritter and bitch specifically
about the defecit, we'd probably have the same effect.

>6. Reduction of time running for election!

Oh Christ yes, please!  Hard to make it stick.  This is the great thing
about Canada's floating elections - you don't get overt campaigning until
the Prime Minister drops the writ (or the Governor General does it for/to
him.)

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"I get so tickled debunking bad personal philosophy." - Milquetoast