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From: un037475@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Heel Champs?
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:48:16 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

> DR> Has anyone else noticed that between Ric Flair and Lex Luger, 
> DR> a heel has been NWA/WCW champ for most of the 80's & 90's. On 
> DR> the other hand Titan's champs have been overwhelmingly face - 
> DR> Hogan, Savage, Warrior. The fact that a WWF heel never holds 
> DR> a belt for more than the time from Wrestlemania to Summerslam 
> DR> is a travesty. What happened to the days of Superstar Billy Graham? 
> DR> Maybe Vince will suprise us and have a heel become a long reigning 
> DR> champ in the near future...NOT!
> 
> Graham was the only long-standing heel champion that the WWWF/WWF ever had--even
> going back to the 1950s--with the possible exception of Buddy Rogers; I don't
> know how long he was champion.
>  

Buddy Rogers, as far as I know, was WWF Champ for about three months or so,
before Bruno beat him.

I think the list of WWF heel champs goes like this:

Buddy Rogers (3 months)  (first WWF champ, defeated by Bruno Sammartino)
Ivan Koloff (a few weeks?)  (defeated Bruno Sammartino, defeated by Pedro
Morales)
Stan Stasiak (9 days) (defeated Pedro Morales, defeated by Bruno Sammartino)
Superstar Billy Graham (1 year, a few months) (defeated Bruno Sammartino,
defeated by Bob Backlund)
Iron Sheik (a month or so (right?)) (defeated Bob Backlund, defeated by Hulk
Hogan)
Andre the Giant (a minute) (defeated Hulk Hogan, stripped of WWF title after
giving it to Ted DiBiase)
Randy Savage (a year, though a great deal of that time was as a face) (defeated
Ted DiBiase in tournament final, defeated by Hulk Hogan)
Sgt. Slaughter (three months (or so)) (defeated Ultimate Warrior, defeated by
Hulk Hogan)
Undertaker (5 days) (defeated Hulk Hogan, defeated by Hulk Hogan)
Ric Flair (3 1/2 months) (eliminated Sid Justice to win Royal Rumble, defeated
by Randy Savage)


I'm not sure if even the recent stuff is entirely accurate.

Hope this helps.

Ken Bradley
From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestlemania(*****spoilers) and a ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:04:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.000430.26102
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) says:

>
>John Price writes about "Re: Wrestlemania(*****spoilers) and a ?" to All  [12
>Apr 92 05:01]
>JP> The Hogan/Justice match was equally poorly thought-out. Papa 
>JP> Shango had no reason to come out after Hogan. I haven't watched 
>JP> my tape of PrimeTime yet, but they had better explain this one 
>JP> *very* well. 
>The next day at Prime Time, they showed Papa Shango in Sid's dressing room before
>the match; with all the candles ablaze, etc.  Of course, they didn't say *why*
>he was there. :-)
>Mike Steiner

It's obvious. Shango has been doing some sort of mystical magic that
somehow masks Sid's steroid use from the "stringent" tests that the
WWF puts on. :)
Bill
-- 
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to carry me, on his back down that aisle, if he has to DRAG me in a wagon,
I'm breathing, ya understand? YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT IT DONE! It's violence for
the sake of violence & now I will turn it around to MY violence! ==Dusty Rhodes
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From: myleslee@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward)
Subject: Re: Sid's next fued 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:43:17 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.190339.2581@athena.mit.edu> vonhaam@athena.mit.edu  
(Eric P vonHaam) writes:
>   Regardless of whether Hulk wins at WM8, Sid will need someone
> new to fued with through the summer, possibly/probably all the
> way up to SummerSlam. Here are my thoughts:
> 
> Undertaker: 	definite possibility -- he's got the size
>             	to make it realistic as well as being over with
> 	    	the marks enough to fill houses. Problem: how to
> 	    	set it up. Have to be a run-in at WM8.
> 
> Boss Man : 	almost big enough, has reason to go after any heel.
> 	   	Problem: supposed to fued with Convict after WM8.
> 
> Virgil:		too small, already been squashed.
> 
> Bret Hart:	would be a waste of Bret; besides, he's going to
> 		be programmed with Michaels.
> 
> Savage:		Not enough of a muscle head -- should be fueding
> 		with Flair through the summer anyway.
> 
> Flair:		Who would turn? Probably Flair. I don't think the
> 		marks would go for it, besides that ruins the
> 		possibility of Flair-Hogan IF He comes back.
> 
> 
>   Maybe he could team up (Dan Spivey?) and they could go after 
> Demolition and/or LOD. Probably not. Personally I think that 
> UT will run-in for the save on Hogan, and that will put him over as
> a mega-face, and set him up with Sid. That, of course, means
> that UT would have to basically squash Jake. Wouldn't it be awesome, 
> though, to see Sid powerbomb Mark, then have Mark jump right back up?
> Guess I'll have to wait for reports on the net.
> 
> Eric vonHaam
> vonhaam@athena.mit.edu

How 'bout UW?  Now there's a possibility, although he might go head to  
head w/Papa Shango given his voodoo motif vs. the Warrior's praise to the,  
as Duggan once put it, "Zeus Gods."

Al

Al
From: 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Warrior Comments
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:54:10 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <92104.124706IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Society for Creative Solipsism) writes:
>From: IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Society for Creative Solipsism)
>Subject: Re: Warrior Comments
>Date: 13 Apr 92 16:47:06 GMT

>I have to agree with Dean.  I've always liked the Warrior, even
>though he wasn't very good as a wrestler/brawler/interview.  I'm
>not sure why, but I did like him.

You know, I am feel the same way. The Warrior used to carry that same 
electrifying feeling that Hogan has but it has waned quite a bit. I was 
shocked to see the Warrior beat the Honkey Tonk Man in 31 seconds at SS '88. 
I was equally as surprised to see the Warrior lose to/job for Rick Rude at 
WMV. Probably the best match to date was at SS '89 to regain the belt. I 
rank my top ten favorite WWF matches and half of them have the Warrior in 
them. I have attended four WWF cards and each one of them had the Warrior as 
a main event. UW vs. Macho Man (Halifax - Feb 10, 1989), UW vs. Rick Rude
(Montreal - April 1989), UW vs. Dino Bravo and Earthquake, (Halifax - 
February 1990) and UW vs. UT (Montreal - May 1991).   The last straw though 
was his feud with the Undertaker. There were just as many cheering for UT 
as there were for UW... plus the match sucked. 

Well, he's back from the mountain. He still can't interview. His workrate 
sucks and he still has a bad haircut. Chances are also good he'll do that 
stupid aerobic style jog to rev himself up (a la Hulk Hogan). Essentially he 
has filled a void of inconsistant boredom/excitiment that only he could 
define.

Matt Cundill	Acadia University	Wolfville, N.S.
From: klr5824@hertz.njit.edu (The REAL Rambo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Snakeman
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:29:21 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: klr5824@hertz.njit.edu

I don't think this particular observation has been mentioned yet,
although I'm sure everyone heard it...

This weekend on the WWF syndies, they could not stress enough the
fact that the Undertaker BURIED Jake Roberts.  Even Heenan and
Hennig mentioned that Jake was demolished, which is usually a pretty
good sign that either the heel is getting a major de-push, or is
jumping.  Gee, does this mesh with any rumors?  Hehehe...

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From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Subject: Re: Penn And Teller's BBS
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:10:51 GMT


In a previous article, Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) says:

>
>Can anyone give me the phone number of Penn and Teller's BBS, please?
>Mike Steiner

While this is in the wrong group, here IS some info. Check out this
week's newsweek for an article about Penn's computer gags, such
as the one of setting up your laptop to display something like
"Armed...Detonation in 5 minutes" when turned on by airport 
security...
Bill
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From: langbein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (The Fugitive)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Ultimate Warrior
Keywords: Early WWF days
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:44:11 GMT
Organization: Information Builders, Inc.

In article <45363@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:

>   People have been talking about Ultimate Warrior and saying that he didn't
> get a push when he first came to the WWF.  I never had access to WWF and
> so could someone e-mail me exactly what his status was (did he ever job
> on Prime Time or in arena cards when he first came?)  Thanks.

I would have to say no. He already had a name coming into the WWF. In
Fact, he wasn't there long from what I remember before he won the I-C
Belt. Most of this info, however, is from a friend who was introducing
it to me at the time.

				Me.
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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: [WCW] Van Hammer and Mr. Hughes
Date: 6 Apr 92 00:15:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: rachael.9204060015.AA17179
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 18: 15:38 cst
Received-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 19: 14:01 CDT


okay.... WHAT did VH & MH do to warrant action taken against them
by the Kipper?

		--Otto "Cactus Hack" Heuer
From: onder@ISI.EDU (Bruce Onder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Quiz #2( NWA)
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:35:02 GMT
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Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 17 Apr 92 01:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.010441.5793@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King) writes:

>While the New Breed did do some nice high-flying moves, they were never
>as good as the Stan Lane Midnight Express, 

Mm, I dunno.  I remember always enjoying watching the Breed.  My one
gripe was that they almost exclusively wrestled jobber-geeks.

>although they MIGHT have been
>as good as the Dennis Condrey express. 

I think the thing that puts the Breed over either incarnation of the
ME is that they were great inside the ring and out.  Jimmy Cornette
was the only part of ME that talked, if you'll recall.  Not that I
have any problem with that... :)

>I don't know though, if that wasn't
>the stupidest gimmick ever outside of the Gobdelygooker [they were from the
>year 2002, right?]....

Yes, but that was sort of a joke.  At least that's the impression I
got.

>Bill

Bruce
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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: broken noses
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17: 07:50 cst
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:07:50 GMT
Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18: 06:33 CDT


Hmmmm...

Both Steamboat and Virgil have "broken noses".  Wonder which org
stole the idea from the other?  Much like Dusty stealing the idea
for Sid stretchering out all his opponents (before the WWF had time
to implement UT "bodybaggingg" all his opponents).

		--Otto "Cactus Hack" HEuer
From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WCW Power Hour
Keywords: Jim Ross Report
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:22:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44911
Organization: Purdue University


  On the Power Hour, Jim Ross said his hotline would talk about why Sting had to
be careful teaming with Muta, the new addition to the Dangerous Alliance,
and a SNAKE report.

  Is Jake finally here?

  BTW, last week he said that Sting had a new manager, was this dropped?
From: gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins)
Subject: Jake may not be in WCW afterall
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:16:13 GMT


        Hey guys think about this fact.  Wasn't Jake Roberts once allies with
the LOD in a foursome with another member (paul ellering was at least the 
manager, maybe he was the fourth member also, it might have been the Warrior)
        A new angle for Vince to work hmmmmmmmm.



                                Jeff Hawkins 
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From: 900667c@ace.acadiau.ca (Gerald Cameron)
Subject: Whoo Whoo Whoo
Summary: Did you see Ric's interview today
Keywords: Slick Ric, WWF
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:55:45 GMT

I just finished watching Superstars of Wrestling about half and hour ago.  I'
ll leave the summary to the guy who usually posts it, but I have to comment 
on Ric Flair's interview on it.

It was a pretty mundane interview, expressing Ric's semi-sour grapes (Ric's 
a good loser for a heel, don't you think?) with out any "Flairisms" like 
stylin' and profilin' or Space Mountain.  Then, at the very end, it became 
classic.

He was saying that at matches around the country he was looking forward 
to "kissing [Elizabeth's] sweet, wet, luscious lips."  Then finished with 
two whoooooooo's and a hilarious whoo whoo whoo whoo.  I was ROTFL, along 
with the rest of the guys who were watching.

God I love Ric!

P.S., it was great to see Precious Paul again, too.  I haven't seen the WM 
interview yet, but the slum alley interview they showed was the best LOD bit 
since they entered the WWF.

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From: lindemanbria@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WWF scandal hits late night
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:37:43 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Well, now I know that the WWF scandals are for real.  David Letterman
introduced Marv Albert last night as New York sports broadcasting
personality (something like that) and former WWF ring boy.

Albert then rushed the set and body-slammed Letterman.  Twice.  :-)
-- 

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From: k_deegan@euclid.concordia.ca (kenneth deegan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Sav stripped? (and other thoughts)
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:32:18 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Apr6.023910.6662@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> smurray@mta.ca writes:
>
>Dont know about everyone else, but I am of the opinion that next week
>on the WWF syndies, Jerk Tunney is going to strip Sav of the belt, OR
>he is going to be too injured to defend it.  I think they gave him the
>strap as a going away present.  Anyway, everything was set up perfectly.
>The camera angle of Savs fist yanking on Rics tights for all he was 
>worth seems too obvious.  Did Bobby and Gorilla play this up much?
>Also, what did each man say afterwards?  Bobby was present at the
>backstage interview with Ric and Perf, so it would seem as if something
>big is going down.  Sav fans, dont hold your breath on this one.  Ric
>could be champ again before you can say "Ooooooh yeahhhhh!!"
>
>S.A.M.

I don't think that there will be a strip of the belt. The whiff resuses
plots for sure, but I do not think they will do it again so soon. In
the Flair interview, after Heenan and Curt had been saying that it was an
outrage, Flair gave his I may have lost tonite but will win it back tomorrow
speech. Savage indicated that this was only the beginning, so I don't think
that he is gone. If it was his last match, they would have resolved the Liz thing.
I feel this goes till Summer Slam where Flair will get the belt back. Also I
felt that when Heenan and Monsoon were taliking later on, Heenan pretty much
indicated that the dmatch would stand. We will have to wait and see.

I thought that the Piper-Hart was quit good. Nice to see the juice starting
to fly. I really thought that Piper would turn, setting up a heel PIT. oh
well, It was a fitting way to end his wrassling career.

Was it Slim Jim or Tornado as the Warrior? The only reason I bring this up,
is that when he first came to the ring, I thought it was Tornado under the
makeup. Then I figured it must be a slimmed down Jim (He could really do
those the evils of juice ads for Vince now). I only brought this up, because
another guy thought the same thing, Does anybody know for sure.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 12:01:44 EDT
From: <MTG112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Let's settle this Warrior thing...
 <1992Apr15.133644.24170@icd.ab.com>

I really don't think that the Warrior was talking about Sting.  They have been
friends for quite a long time, when they started training together to
eventually form the blade runners.  He may have been talking about Hogan, but I
 doubt it.

                             Matt 'Wayne Nibblet Campbell' Gomolchak
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Current Events
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:18:28 GMT
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Well, I sure don't want to start "that's not Hellwig" line.
But it sure did look like Steve Disalvo to me! :-)

I hope everyone was surprised to see Piper wrestle for a change.
Of course, he did a fair amount of brawling, but kept it to
spots rather than dragging it out. A really great match. We
will probably never see the two against each other again, so
it will be a keeper on film.

I was really disappointed that Flair lost. His 1st title defense
and he looses it! What does that say for "The Real World's Champion!"?
Never did see *the Centerfold*. Probably a good idea. Some of the
comments have been getting a little tasteless. But, Flair's airplane
interview has to be a classic. It had it all. All I could say was
"Yeah, Yeah, Wooooooo...".

Precious Paul & the Road Warriors! (LOD). Won't be long before the
titles are back around their waists. But, Flair needs to get the
WWF title back as well. Randy is too small to sell if he has to
go against any of the big guys. He must have dropped about 30 lbs
and since he was only 235 lbs, he must now be around 200 - 205.

And Hellwig - how about that guy? Dropped 40-50 lbs! Gave it all to
Luger.

It's good to see that wrestling is alive & well. 60,000 + fans and
who knows what kind of PPV's. 

Now, if we could only find Steve Disalvo.

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: halls@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: The Ultimate Warrior
Keywords: Money
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:55:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Since Slim Jim left over a money dispute, I was wondering did Vince give
him a Hogan-style contract like he wanted, or is the UW still at a lower
salary.

Scott
From: duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Who were the Ding Dongs
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:58:13 GMT
Organization: College of Computing

>In a previous article, mnka_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Kaufman) says:
>
>The Ding Dongs were a face jobber team in the NWA around 1987(I think).
>They wore masks are came to the ring with Bells as their entrance music.
>They two Ding Dongs would inscessantly(sp) ring a bell during their match.
>To the best of my knowlege they won 1 match back when WCW ran the studio
>tapings, with Tony S. and David Crocket.
>They are probably most known for  being ridiculed time and again by James
>E. Cornette.

I was talking to some hardcore fans today (more info on other stuff later)
when I asked who these guys were.  The guy I was talking to was
pretty sure that one of them was Kendall Windham.  He mentioned the
other one's name, but I forgot who it was.

-rick


"(And) I, don't like a thing about your mother,         | Rick Duggan
 and I, I hate your daddy's guts too (boo hoo),         | duggan@cc.gatech.edu
 (And) I, don't like a thing about your sister (no no), | CS1410 TA - Section C
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