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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>In article <somebody) writes:
>
>>>>On the other hand, there's something to be said for small, light cars in the
>>>>snow.  Best 2WD snow car I ever had was a 77 Corolla, when they were still RWD.
>>>>It "floated" over the snow,
>
>
In article <13401@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>	Think of a snowmobile scudding quickly over a ten-foot deep snowbank.
>	Then think of an M60 tank trying to plow through the same snowbank.
   Or think of a nice light Porsche getting stranded on the !@#$!@#$
   snowdrift because it gets all 4 wheels lifted right off the
   ground....and a nice heavy Detroit pig with chains just busting
   thru the same drift.  It's happened to me.  

>	Extreme examples, same principal, if you catch my drift.
                                                       ^^^^^^^
						Boo, hiss.  >:-)
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


>Even better winter cars! They took longer to rust away with the salt because
>there was more car:=\ IMHO the best is to have a really heavy car on the white
>stuff. I used to drive Monte Carlos before they got small and toylike.

On the other hand, there's something to be said for small, light cars in the
snow.  Best 2WD snow car I ever had was a 77 Corolla, when they were still RWD.
It "floated" over the snow, without sinking in and having to plow through it,
unlike my old 60s vintage chevies.

	Dave
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:15:58 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering
Originator: news@auspex-gw.Auspex.COM

In article <3826@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> 	It plows like a CrisCraft with a broken rudder.  And then,
> of course, when you get off the pedal it switches to severe oversteer.
> I almost bought it this way on a tight S curve when I first had the car:
> took the second turn way too fast, started to plow, lifted to get traction
> to the front, and broke the rear loose.  Fishtail city.  


I have not encountered SEVERE oversteer in the SHO yet, and I have tried.
Of course I also have owned a '72 Datusn 510 with the Interpart suspension
so maybe I don't recognize severe trailing throttle oversteer when i
see it...

Anybody else report what must be terrible handling charecteristics
with the SHO?


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why not a Taurus SHO Wagon??
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:44:36 GMT
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 1bek8eINNq03@roche.csl.sri.com, abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) writes:
>> >My feeling on it is that it would hurt the overall SHO image. For the same
>> >reasons you don't take the Mustang 5.0 platform and make a wagon out of it,
>> >or put the M5 motor in the 5 series wagon, you don't want to spread the
>> >SHO name in cars whose purposes generally stray from the hi-po sedan
>> >market.
>
>FYI: There is indeed a BMW M5 touring (wagon). Drives like a dream. Not to 
>mention the Aston Martin Virage Shooting Break. Two door wagon!
>
>-- 
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>Technical Support Analyst                        Direct: +32 2 643 26-38
>Cisco Systems International S.A.                 Fax   : +32 2 643 26-27
>250 avenue Louise, 8th Floor                     RFC822: abochann@cisco.com
>1050 Brussels, Belgium



Well that's it. I'm going straight down to my BMW dealer to cancel my
M5 order! :-) To think they'd do something like that... Hmmph!

While it is suprising (an M5 wagon), it again highlights the (perceived)
different buyer preferences between the US and Europe/UK. I doubt we'll
ever see that variant in the states. There are many models we never see,
which sell well overseas, but are expected to not sell well here. 


John
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:03:30 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <26419@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
>In rec.autos, smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:
>>As I say, I don't think that is so easily accomplished without imperiling
>>medical care for people who _do_ use seatbelts, as I outlined in my last
>>post.

>I don't see how. A person who used a seat belt is often easily recognizable
>as such at the scene, as belts are usually still attached if they're
>injured. The medics or officers know whether this is so, and can then
>act accordingly. If there was no seat belt, then they can quite possible
>locate the insurance card, or maybe even a bracelet, like those with
>special medical needs wear.

You can't _deny_ medical care whether they were wearing belts or not, that was
my earlier point.  And you can't _require_ that everyone carry insurance ids,
because they get lost or damaged and can be unreadable.  And what good is it?
The hospital must render care in any case! Or would you prefer the alternative:
Cop at scene: "Looks like he wasn't wearing his belt"  Medic: "No insurance
tag, either.  Guess that's it, then." "Yup. Just drag him over to the shoulder,
we'll have the coroner pick him up as soon as he expires."  Terrific image
builder, that.

What we _need_ to do is make nonbelt users bear their own cost of medical care,
but it has to be an _after_the_fact_ arrangement.  That means hospitals should
be able to recover the cost with some mechanism less cumbersome and error-prone
than a lawsuit.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:21:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.147520024
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA


karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan) writes:

| Andy Cassino (andyc@hplsla.hp.com) wrote:
| : 
| : Well, this isn't the car's fault per se, any FWD car will do this.
| : 
| : I guess I'm lucky I learned about this FWD behavior on a track.
| 
| I believe that any car will tend to have its rear end break loose
| if you brake (lifting off the throttle can be thought of as slight
| braking) in a turn.
| 
| I don't know if this trait is stronger in FWD vs. RWD but I do know
| that it is basic physics (if you load up the front end to get
| traction you must be unloading the rear end and thus make it
| more likely to break loose).

Yes, it is stronger tendency in a FWD car. When one lets up on the gas 
(assuming the clutch is not disengaged simultaneously), it is like applying
some braking to the front wheels only. If you make a vector diagram of the
velocity components of car in a turn, you will see the effect is to slow the
front end of the car proportionately more than the rear end. To be more
precise, braking on the front end only can only reduce the velocity of
the rear end in the direction of travel of the car, leaving a lateral
velocity component to be checked (e.g. braked) by the rear tires. If they 
do not have enough traction, the rear end will swing out. Voila, oversteer,
and the possible beginning of a skid.

In RWD, when you let off the gas, it's the other way around. Let off the gas,
and the rear end slows down more than the front. The front end of the car
retains the lateral velocity component and, if not checked by tire traction, 
will go wide - understeer, and the possible beginning of a plowing skid.

    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
    % Andy Cassino                                       %
    % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: 195/60 R15 tires on 1991 Escort GT? (instead of 185/60 R15)
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:38:10 GMT

In article <1bdfceINNp9b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bhatlas@pyrite.som.cwru.edu (Sunil Bhatla) writes:
>My fiancee is looking to replace her tires (Goodyear Eagle GT+4 185/60 R15).
...
>I was told that if I moved up to 195/60 R15 (a more "standard" size) I could
>get a set of Yokohama 398 high performance tires for $71 each.
...
>Can I safely switch to this larger size tire?

this is an increase in section width, without any change in rim diameter
or in aspect ratio.  the result is an implicit increase in tire diameter,
which will change your speedometer reading slightly, and may (or may not)
cause clearance problems with the wheels (unlikely, but possible.)

> The Ford owners manual doesn't
>say much. Apparently, the Escort GT prior to 1990 came with 195/60 tires.
>What are the consequences of switching sizes?

i believe the older Escort GT would be the previous model, a distinctly
different car.

note that wider tires will probably handle better on dry pavement, and
worse on snow.  is this what you want?

richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck
From: geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Aftermarket sunroofs - are they any good?
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:20:19 GMT
Organization: Interrupt Technology Corporation, Chatsworth, CA

In article <1992Oct3.173609.2733@leland.Stanford.EDU> nathanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathan Chan) writes:

> I am interested in the new Nissan Altima. When I went to the dealer
> and looked at the GXE model, he said that a factory sunroof was
> not available, but that a company called "American Sunroof" could
> put one in. (power tilt/slide with sunshade)
> It would be done before I took delivery and would cost
> about $1000. Has anyone out there had experience with this company
> or with aftermarket sunroofs in general? Is the quality the same
> as a factory-installed one? If I put one in, does that void any
> part of the new-car warranty? Any comments would be appreciated.

I have a sunroof from American Sunroof (hereinafter ASC) on my
Mitsubishi Eclipse.

First, I suspect you might get a better deal if you took delivery and
contacted ASC directly.  However, I didn't do this, so I can't be
sure.

Second, their warranty matches that of the new car.  So I got 3
yrs/36,000 miles.  The dealer didn't mention anything about voiding
part of the standard warranty.  If it did, it could only be in the
upper-body part of the warranty (which isn't a part that tends to fail
anyway), and as a practical matter ASC will cover these items.

The quality of the ASC sunroof is fabulous, as is their service.  I
drove in with wind-noise complaints right after I bought it, and they
had a guy drop what he was doing to fix it.  I've had it for 2.5 years
since without problems until this week, when the wind noise seems to
have increased quite a bit.  I'm going to take it in soon to have them
adjust it again.  Since it's out of warranty, it will be an
educational experience for all of us :-).  I'll try to remember to
post again after I have the work done.

BTW, since I live in LA, I asked for the darkest tint possible.  The
snap-on plastic shield sits in the garage, and even on the hottest
days my A/C can handle the slight extra heat that comes in through the
roof.
-- 
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@itcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:16:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


i wish to respond to Mike's assertion that no way will a FWD tranny
(transaxle) handle any kind of power..and that you cannot switch 
motor tranny combos..well..i say BS.

I am  a fan of VW...I lack the experience of driving many RWD vehicles
but..i know VW's.(well..some of them.) at any rate... Basically all VW
motors can be swapped onto ANY VW transaxle(keeping within the restraints
of air/water cooled..those can lead to problems that i amnot familiar 
with).  However, this means that they can be interchanged. Of course, 
8v's must go on 8v's and 16 on 16, but that's minor, and, i understand
may be skirted with a little extra work.  At any rate.  I do not 
think that that argument is valid.  Also, the strength thing.  I have
read of FWD VW's that run wildly modified (BIG cams and blowers and such)
which jam well over 500 horses through STOCK trannies in race (such as
rally..not dragging..) with out sufficient problems to warrent the 
making of SPECIAL trannies....and these cars are light enough, that
they do quite well with 500 horses...try doubling the stock output of
many of the RWD cars (and, even in some cases---oh..dodge/chrystlar
comes to mind--FWD), espeically the ones that come from Detroit..and 
see what happens to a stock tranny...this happens because the trannis
are too marginal to begin with, and the cars heavy...just my opinion.
DREW
-- 
So my last quote was way off...i screwed it up.. i'll come up with 
a new one sometime soon....
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Ethanol ? Good for the Environment but good for our cars?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:08:31 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.autos
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Petro Jelly on terminals
From: br@cs.cmu.edu (Bill Ross)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: br@cs.cmu.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: CMU Vision and Autonomous Systems Center


    I have always used vaseline mixed into a paste with baking
    soda to coat my terminals and have had great success.  The
    baking soda seems to do a good job of keeping the acid under
    control.  Of course, you don't want to spread it on too thick!

    Bill
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why not a Taurus SHO Wagon??
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:08:55 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


As I understand it, SHOs themselves do not exactly sell in large numbers,
and rumors each year surface that this will be the last model year for
the SHO.  Because of this, SHOs are usually heavily discounted.

Station wagons, too, are a dying breed.  I think the Ford corral only includes
the Taurus and the Escort- the Crown Vic wagons were dropped last year.  Even
Chevy still only offers a Cav or a Caprice wagon (I don't know that there are
any mid-sized ones left).  It seems that people are flocking to minivans.  Most
dealers prefer not to even have wagons taking up space on their new car lots.

Of course, the ubiquitous Taurus wagon is an exception.  And yes, add me to
the list of those who'd be interested in a SHOwagon.

	Dave
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:51:29 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <14876@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>I have not encountered SEVERE oversteer in the SHO yet, and I have tried.

	Do this:

	Take a curve fast enough so that you're understeering moderately.
Take your foot _off_ the gas...

>Anybody else report what must be terrible handling charecteristics

	They're not "terrible handling charecteristics", just 
*unexpected* handling charecteristics, at least as far as I'm concerned.
The ease with which you can evoke this behavior is fun when you get used
to it but scary the first time...
From: ce398@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Richmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 87 Supra CD Player Recommendations
Date: 15 Oct 1992 16:01:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



My 87 supra cassette player is a piece of junk!  The lights on
some of the buttons don't work, it randomly decides when it
wants to take a tape and many other problems.  Thus, I'm
going to replace it with a CD player.  Any recommendations
or warnings are appreciated!

Rumor has it the 87 supra radio is a major pain to replace. Other
than the radi and incompatible lugs, the car has been great.
Thanks in advance!

    Joe

-- 
Joseph Richmeyer
ce398@cleveland.freenet.edu   or rambo!jr9283@texbell.sbc.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: amin@rsvl.unisys.com (Amin Kassem )
Subject: Re: Automotive Enthusiast BBS!NEW!
Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:24:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.100000.15243@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> gggj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Announcing...
>
>A New BBS dedicated to automotive enthusiasts.  It will cater to all automotive
>interests, from racing to design to new car discussions to questions and
>answers about fixing your car!
>
>All this, on a free BBS!  Starting Wednesday, Oct 7 evening, the number to call
>with your modem is (607) 256-7595.
>

That sounds great!  But what about us of state dorks? :-)
Seriously, Is it possible to news feed the net with discussion from 
your BBS.

Or You would do me a great favor if you can direct me to a mailing list
or a group that discusses 4X4 sport utilities like the Grand Cherokee,
the Ford Explorer, Trooper, etc ...

Thank you.

>300 through 14,400 bps (V32bis) 24 hrs a day.
>
>Email me for more information
>Scott Mandell


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From: phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil Houseago DNM22)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leaded gas and older engines
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:03:15 GMT
Reply-To: phil@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 244@aegir.adl.dmt.csiro.au, tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au (Thomas Fung) writes:
##
##> >Here in California, leaded gas is no longer available.

< toms bits deleted ...>


##His answer was that because unleaded fuel burns at a much higher temperature,
##converting my car to run on unleaded fuel ould be much more involved than
##this.
##
##Any comments on this ?
# 
yes. its not the temperature of combustion. 2 problems exist:

1. lower than 4* octane (in the uk) i think its around 96-97 for unleaded (std)
99  or possibly more for super green,  99 for leaded ...

2. no lead to lubricate the valve seats. 

these can be overcome. 

1. back the ignition timing off, 2 degs in the uk or use super green

2. either get hardened valve seats installed - can be tricky or impossible
               use 3 unleaded, then  1 leaded, like a lot of fords do
               stick a commercial lead additive in the petrol, or a tin additive in the tank

1980 is too old for fords to use lead free. i don't think you can safely use 1 in 4 either.

additives work for any car. i'm told.

another problem is some cars just plain hate unleaded petrol, whatever you do.

mine plain hates leaded petrol, so i happily use super green ...


cheers, phil
---
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phil@muppet.bt.co.uk		|shouldn't I be asleep??
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Acura mailing list?
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:06:52
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
	<1992Oct11.223918.3621@memstvx1.memst.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: ujmli@memstvx1.memst.edu's message of 11 Oct 92 22:39:18 -0600

>>>>> On 11 Oct 92 22:39:18 -0600, ujmli@memstvx1.memst.edu said:

ujmli> In article <vincent-111092164144@tmf2mac23.berkeley.edu>, vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee) writes:

> In article <Bvy0H3.EFK@CAM.ORG>, pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin) wrote:
>> 
>> How do I subsribe to the Acura mailing list?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
> yea sign me up to.
> 
ujmli> send mail to: listserv@brownvm.brown.edu or
ujmli> listserv@brownvm.bitnet

ujmli> with the line: SUB HONDA-L <your name (must be 2 word name)>

ujmli> to unsuscribe: DEL HONDA-L

ujmli> for more info: GET LISTSERV MEMO

Be warned this is a HONDA group, not an Acura only group.


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 Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Funny Bumper Sticker
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:58:03 GMT
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

A friend of mine told me of a funny bumper sticker he saw :

  Hungry?  Need a job?  Eat your import.

Normally the self pitying whine of the U.S. auto manufactures makes me hurl my
cookies, but this one was funny!

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Rear-Adm. Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: SHO Engine
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:46:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.194929.17077@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent) writes:
> -another word on the Taurus SHO v6-
> 
> I got my Ford Motorsports catalogue recently:-)  
> You can BUY a complete SHO engine, including the acc. pulleys,
> a/c compressor, wiring harness, and computer.  The price?  
> Gee, they didn't list any prices in the catalogue.  Call Lou
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmm You can bet its around $8K according to what we  read
in the SHO Registry, However they have a listing of SHO's that 
have been wrecked (fallen SHO's) that usually idicate if the 
power train is still good and price it accordingly.
        If you have not already checked out the SHO powered Festiva 
It's been done - called teh SHOGUN :) and retails for $48K and get a 
whopping 0.1 sec benefit in the 0-60 time and a 2 mph increase in top end.
(145 mph)

Question:   What price conversions?  (our SHO cost under $20K brand new)

        fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser)
Subject: Re: Japanese Names  Was Re: Canadian names for U.S. Cars
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:12:14 GMT

yhmok@luke.mti.sgi.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.165102@usho21.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> |>
> |>     BTW  Nissan means - masculine, brother, boy
> |>          Nassan means - feminine, sister, girl
> 
> 	Nissan (The car maker) means 'made in Japan' or 'Japanese made'
> and I'm not joking.
> 

Well, I think you're both kind of right.  Of hand, I'm not sure how
Nissan is spelled in Japanese, so it's kind of hard to translate.
However...

Niisan means older brother (pronounced with 3 sylables -- Neee eeee san)
			    the 1st and 2nd are ALMOST one sylable
Neesan means older sister (pronounced as nay ay san)
 
	I doubt that either of these is the actual meaning behind
               Nissan though...

Nissan would probably be translated as Daily Production.
	However, it could be translated as Japanese Production
		(Ni as in Nippon which means Japan)

	I think that's probably it.  I'll have to hunt down a Japanese
		Car magazine.

				- Jason
jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos