HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:29:08 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: comp

In article <1992Oct14.194637.314@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) wrote:
> 
> eyoung@cisco.com (Eric Youngman) writes:
> 
> >OK, so maybe I should have started my statement about the P600 with the
> >words, 'according to friends of mine who are in a position to know these
> >things...' and made it more a hypothesis rather than an authoritative
> >statement of fact.  Sorry.
> 
>     You might also try hitting the return key about every 80 characters,
> or less. Makes people life easier when they try to respond to your
> comments. 
> 
> >I got this information from two people, one currently employed by Apple
> >and one who worked there until just recently.  The one who still works
> >there told me authoritatively that the P600 has a 16 bit bus, and the
> >one who used to work there (fairly high up in the hardware area) states
> >that this hypothesis makes sense, given what he knows about the product
> >area responsible for Apple's consumer-oriented stuff.
> 
>     You're right, it does make a bit of sense, since every other low
> cost that apple has dropped an '030 into had only a 16bit bus (Classic
> II, and LC II).

What about the IIsi?

> I would have probably believed you too, if I hadn't seen
> 3 different overhead views of the P600's motherboard. All of them looked
> identical and all of them had 1 bank of 4 SIMM slots, ie. a 32bit bus.

How about two banks of two--as in the Plus and SE?  I don't know which it
has, but four slots together do not necessarily mean one bank of four.

> 
>     One interesting thing to note: this week MacWEEK released the retail
> prices for the Apple lineup as it will be next Monday, and the IIvi is
> not on the list. Apparantly those rumors about the IIvi being sold only
> overseas was correct.

Or, considering that the rumors apparently came from MacWEEK, the magazine
may still be wrong.  We'll all find out in a few days--assuming that the
date is right.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Price Corrections are dumb (was : QUADRA 700 FOR SALE)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:04:01 GMT

I've noticed that a lot of people who post ads for computers for sale
are asking for *MORE* than street price, as determined by looking at
ads for new equipment in the newspapers.  I see nothing wrong with
responding to such an ad with a posting pointing out that buyers can
buy new equipment for less.

--Tim Smith
From: aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Will a Sun CD work on a Mac?
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:33:59 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Consultants Ltd., Cambridge, UK

mario@theglove.Canada.Sun.Com (Mario Dorion - Sun Montreal SE) writes:

>Would anybody know for fact whether the Sun CDROM drive (which is a
>modified Sony drive) will operate properly on a Macintosh?

YES IT DOES!

This question seems to be croping up a lot lately!

All you need is a SCSI 1 -> SCSI 2 cable and a modified Apple
CD Rom Drive driver.

No hassle except that the Sun drive does not eject like the Mac
one, hence you need to coordinate your mouse actions with pressing
the eject button.

I can live with that!

Hopes this helps

Alain
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: quadra 900 ram
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:56:41 GMT

At school we have a quadra 900 that crashes randomly, either
causing an application to exit, or locking the machine totally.
My theory is that it does not like the 80ns memory that is in
it.  does anyone know if it requires memory faster than 80ns?

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mikaelk@tdb.uu.se (Mikael Kristoffersson)
Subject: Address to Conner needed
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:52:53 GMT

Hi Netters!

I'm in a desperate need of an address to Conner (the disc-manufacturer).
I own a 210 Mb Conner hard disc with seems to bee incompatible with
AUX 3.0. I need to know if there is a ROM-upgrade to fix this problem.

If there is anyone out there who knows an E-mail address or a fax-number
to the tech-support at Conner, PLEASE E-mail me!


Mikael Kristoffersson

E-mail: mikaelk@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Enough PERFORMAs, what about the IIvx
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:31:24 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:

>In <1992Oct7.143811.17809@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

>><IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>>>Any info on the IIvx would be appreciated.

>>    Take a P600 and add both a cache and an FPU. Presto... instant IIvx.

>I hope not. The P600 has been crippled. How else can you explain a machine
>that gets outpreformed by a IIci with a slower processor. Also, the IIvx is
>supposed to support a cache card. The P600 can't.

    I am still very skeptical of those tests. The P600 that was used was
running System 7.1b7 while the IIci was running a Tuned (1.1.1) 7.0.1.
This is not a fair comparison of the two machines. I just can't see how
a 25Mhz '030 can run faster than a 33MHz '030. And the IIvx is supposed
to have an on board cache, not suport a cache card. It has the same
accelerator slot that the the P600 has. The logic boards are basically
identical, from what I have read.


--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: thompson@sparcwood.princeton.edu (Peter C. Thompson)
Subject: Mac Models comparisons?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton Regional Schools
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:41:17 GMT


     I am sure this exists out there, but could someone give me a 
pointer:  I am looking for a comparison of the various Mac models 
that exist now-  in particular the Performa vs. LC, Classic, etc...
including any limitations such as can the Performa have system 7.1
installed.  

     I'm sure I could piece together the answers by reading
all of the news groups and info-Mac digests, but I barely get through
my e-mail every day!  Maybe this is an FTPable FAQ somewhere?

     It would also be very nice to have a comparison that includes
the older Macs, particularly the Mac II series for reference.

     I would appreciate a CC to my e-mail address if anyone thinks
that this is general enough interest for a regular posting:  I 
might not catch the response before it disappears from my system.

Peter Thompson
District Technical Coordinator
Princeton Regional Schools

p.s.  I need this info because I can no longer keep track of all the
models Apple sells!  I've purchased literally millions of dollars 
worth of their products over the years, but it is beyond me to
figure out all the permutations of models these days.
From: latesh@genghis.borland.com (Latesh Bhatia)
Subject: What's a "Bromide Printer"??
Followup-To: latesh@borland.com
Summary: Bromide Printer
Originator: latesh@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: Bromide printer, Mac IIcx
Organization: Borland International
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:33:33 GMT

Could someone tell me what a Bromide printer is??  How different is it
from a regular laser printer?  Are there any vendors that sell such types 
of printers?

And finally, what would be a reasonable price for one that can be used
with a Mac IIcx??


Thanx,

Latesh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: aj@lew.rosemount.com (Andy Joe)
Subject: Re: Where to buy RAM?
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:30:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.210757.11222@news.iastate.edu> louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam) writes:
>I'm sorry if this is a FAQ.
>
>Can anyone suggest mail-order companies that sell good quality RAM
>at a resonable price?  
>
>I need 4 2M SIMMS for my IIci.
>
>Thanks
>
>Louis
>


I am also looking for a good place to buy some 4 meg simm's.

Also, is it possible to use 1x9's on the Quadra's?  And what speeds
do I need?  (I have a IIci, and may upgrade to a Quadra)

thanxs.

aj.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: Teleport or Mass?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:58:00 GMT

In article <Bw67E0.M3D@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes...
>In article <Bw6737.LtH@mtholyoke.edu> gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
>>
>>I've narrowed down my search for a new modem to
>>the Teleport full-fax, and the Mass fax (96/24)
>>modem.
>>
>>Anyone has any opinions on these 2 modems?
>>
>>I'd appreciate any comments.  
>>
> 
> 
>Sorry, I forgot to mention - one of the things I really would
>like to know is information about the fax software that these
>2 modems use... (like, how easy to use, etc etc)
> 
>Thanks again,
>Germain

The Teleport is GREAT. Compact, extremely easy to use, good manual and
well made. Note that it will be issued under a new name on October 19
(Monday) -- the TelePort Bronze. It's slightly possible the price may fall
then as well in response to the fax modems Apple just announced.

The fax software couldn't be simpler. Hold down the option key in any
application and the Print command changes to "Fax." A nifty display in your
menu bar tracks the progress of the transmission. If you have either a
dedicated fax line (I don't) or an answering machine and a modular Mac
(LC or better) (I do) the TelePort can be set to automatically wake up
your Mac to receive faxes.

Sorry, don't know anything about the Mass modem, but the TelePort is a
winner.

Ben Wolfe
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:27:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: 192.mike_steiner-081092162540
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <D2150035.fgpeo3@outpost.SF-Bay.org>, peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org
(Michael Peirce) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <5852@news.duke.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead) writes:
> > In article <Nazedgi-051092162846@stiles-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> 
> > Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Ivan) writes:
> > >
> > >Pda's are the wave of the future and Apple is going to sell trillions of
> > >them.  Yeah, right.  I wonder how a computer is going to be able to
> > >recognize handwriting when people sometimes can't even recognize their own.
> > 
> > Because the computer can recognize the handwriting as it's written, not
> > after the fact.  Even people who can't recognize their own handwriting
> > know what they're writing while they're doing it.
> 
> And remember that Apple has demonstrated some really excellent speech
> to text technology.  Although I doubt you'll see it in the first model,
> I'd be surprised if it didn't show up in a later model.  
> 
> Personally, speech input seems to make more sense to me for this type
> of thing (PDAs) than for desktop computing.  I'd rather say "Do I
> have any appointments next tuesday" to my PDA than say things like
> "enter $59 in cell A15, then sum column 7 and take it's net present
> value".

Even better, IMO:

Newton:  Your anniversary is today.
Me:      Fax the florist to order a dozen roses to be delivered to my
         wife.  Use the credit card with the lowest balance to charge
         it.

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: So, what do we think of the Performa 600?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:19:29 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) writes:

>My personal belief is that at $1999 with keyboard in a 4/160, 3 nubus
>and internal drive bay, the P600 is phenominal. Its a bit faster than an
>SI (lets debate this little puppy....), more expansion than a CI, and
>is priced like an LC used to be (oxymoron here...). 

    Well, until someone does a speed comparison that is normalized
properly with non-beta system software, we will have no idea how fast
the P600 is relative to either the IIsi or the IIci. My guess is that it
will be slightly slower than a cache carded IIci on somethings due to
the cache, but without the cache it should be just a bit faster on
everything except FPU math. In any case it should out perform the IIsi
in every catagory. Depending on how you clasify "expansion" the P600
wins out because of the 2 internal drive bays, on 3.5 and one 5.25, but
the IIci has 3 NuBus slots just like the P600 does.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: pyke@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.m.pyke)
Subject: Re: Powerbook Caps Lock
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 11:33:12 GMT

In article <1b2jqfINN9uo@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) writes:
>In article <VRJRBTXN@cc.swarthmore.edu> chogend1@cc.swarthmore.edu  
>(Chris Hogendorn) writes:
>> I'm forever hitting the caps lock key on my Powerbook 140. Does  
>anyone know
>> of a good way of disabling it? --> Chris
>
>I saw an init to do this; i'm pretty sure it's on  
>mac.archive.umich.edu, "capslock" or somesuch.  I tried it on my 100  
>and it worked.  Personally I'd love an init to change caps lock to  
>control...
>--
>dan pritts                consultant/system administrator
>dan.pritts@umich.edu      um itd/css unix support group 
>313/998-6265

There is one program I have seen that does this.  Its called CPU and runs for
about $50.  It is actually a full array of powerbook utilities.

I got it on Friday and checked it out.  The program allows you to control
the times for things like screen dimming, hd powerdown and sleep in either
battery mode or AC adapter mode.  It also lets you set security on startup 
and wakeup.  Almost all the functions can be activated with command key
setups.  Oh, the most useful thing I have found...
There is one utility in CPU that will make a one inch dot around the mouse
blink.  This is incredibly useful for me because I am constantly loosing the
mouse.  The same utility also lets you change the I-beam cursor to make it
a bit thicker.  Is it worth the $50?  I am happy with it.

My two cents...


					-Jim Pyke
					 Home: 908-572-7803
					 Work: 908-805-7338
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: bohus@math.lsa.umich.edu (Geza Bohus)
Subject: to Bill Johnston @me.udel.edu
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 10:59:21 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

[Sorry for doing this, but the mailer at me.udel.edu denies the
existence of Bill Johnston.]

Thanks Bill for your reply. It happened once before but then it cured
itself in a few minutes, so I didn't care too much. Now it won't start
up anymore.  If it's the disk, then it's the internal drive, because
the external works.  Thanks again,

g

PS. How can one send mail to you? I tried it from two  places, and it
always comes back.
From: anstine@nomad.sas.upenn.edu (David Anstine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Opinions wanted: SCSI Ethernet Adaptors
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:54:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I remember seeing lots of complaints about SCSI ethernet adaptors on the
net awhile back. We're buying more and more Powerbooks here, what is the
consensus on these products now? Has Asante worked things out?

-dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: poorman@convex.com (Peter Poorman)
Subject: Re: Laserprinter directly on ethernet ?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:14:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>In article <1b1dkjINNmna@perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de> Dominik Ulmer,
>dominik@perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de writes:
>other. Is there a manufactor of such a box and how much does it cost ?
The box is called 'EtherPrint', manufactured by Dayna. Connects exactly

I know of four such boxes:

Dayna "EtherPrint":
	Connects one printer
	Must be restarted (power off/power on) if printer is restarted
	Cheap

Dayna "EtherPrint Plus":
	Connects up to four devices (including Macs!)
	Must be restarted if printer(s) restarted
	Not quite as cheap

Compatible Systems "EtherWrite":
	Connects up to 6 printers
	Cannot connect Macs (apparently)
	Does NOT need to be restarted if a printer is restarted
	Has an "LPR" variant (not sure what this is)
	Has a password-security feature
	Priced about the same as EtherPrint Plus

Asante "AsantePrint":
	Brand new (just started shipping)
	Can't seem to get Asante` to send me a datasheet.

There is also software from Sonic Systems that runs in the background and
makes a Mac do the same function.

-- Pete Poorman
   poorman@convex.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: esteban@apollo.hp.com (Steven Fernandez)
Subject: DayStar PowercacheDDD
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:22:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


Hi everyone,

I am considering ordering a 50mhz PowerChache. Does anybody have
a feel for how much faster the new 040 PowerCache will be? I'm 
wondering if I should just hold out and get the 040 when it comes 
out. Do they have a no penalty upgrade on this stuff. I called
Daystar to ask but they put me on hold for too long.

Steve
From: dsc@sys.uea.ac.uk (Dave Cartwright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Transceiver on Quadra ethernet
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:52:06 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: SYS, UEA, Norwich, UK

In article <Bvw9MI.DKr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>,
streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) wrote:
> 
> In article <CKD.92Oct9153317@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> >
> >The thin-net version is also supposed to be self-terminating, which
> >sounds cool (having had to debug thin-net problems :-).  This would of
> >course preclude using a "normal" connector.
> >
> When we install thinnet, we put in all the taps one might need and wrap them.
> This works fine for every machine we have until someone comes along with one
> of these special Mac taps. Then, either the working thinnet has to be broken
> in to so these guys can get connected (equals a service call because you 
> cannot trust users not to screw this up), or the user-klod thinks, "oh, I just 
> connect the BNC to one of the ports on this Mac connector, right", and then 
> you get calls from *other* users. 
> 
> We hate them (much as we love Macs, I might add).

You want to know the way around this ? No problem, guv. We have an
integrated
Ethernet system here prety much like yours (we have special sockets in the
wall into which you plug ready made cables which act as a T connector. If
you
want to use the Apple Transciever, simply plug your drop cable into one
socket,
then plug a blank BNC 50-ohm connector into the other. This activates a
little
contact which effectively unterminates the transciever. It's a bit
pointless
I'll admit (buying a self-terminating transciever which you then
unterminate!)
but it works.

Alternatively there are excellent products available from 3rd party people.
Asante have been mentioned in this thread ... Farallon are equally
brilliant.
And cheap. And transcieverless.

Dave C

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From: sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu (Stewart N. Abramson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Memory Upgrades for 128K Mac????
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:02:08 GMT
Followup-To: sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   I have an original 128 Mac that was upgraded several years ago by a
"professional" (not apple authorized) to a Mac Plus with (I think) 1 MB of
RAM.  I now have come across four 1 MB 80ns SIM's that I cannot use
elsewhere.

   Does anyone know if I can increase the RAM of my 128-to-Plus computer to
4 MB?  Is it easy?  Do I need special tools?  Would a Mac dealer do it real
quick for cheep, since I have the SIM's already?

  I appreciate the input for anyone in the know!!!!!!

Stewart
sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu
From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Enough PERFORMAs, what about the IIvx
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:32:07 GMT
	<1992Oct7.200515.13664@pellns.alleg.edu>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 20:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.200515.13664@pellns.alleg.edu> dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn) writes:

>So, will there be a IIvx-CD model? Why not? Or, can I put a NuBus-based FPU  
>and cache into a P600(CD) and get the same? _Is_ there a NuBus cache card or  
>does this require a dedicated slot?

Yes, there will be a IIvx CDi model.

I don't believe you CAN put a cache of any kind in the P600.  It's an
accelerator slot, and requires, I;ve heard a CPU on the card.  Unless
you want to call that a Performa CacheCard, it's just an accelerator,
and more expensive to boot.

Also, I think the "cache" cards are PDS cards, so they don't go in
NuBus.

jas
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From: ddaly@draper.com (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Subject: PB 100 as SCSI drive
Reply-To: ddaly@draper.com (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Organization: CS Draper Lab
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:59:33 GMT

Well, I figured out how to use the Power Book 100 as a SCSI drive, except
now I can't get the Mac SE to write to it without crashing.  Copying from
the Book to the SE's external hard drive or floppy works fine, but attempts
to copy to the Book result in a frozen watch on the screen that can be moved,
but the SE doesn't respond and must be restarted.  This is really annoying.
Has anybody had trouble like this in the past?  Any help would be appreciated.


Daniel Cameron Daly
ddaly@draper.com
"He who fights and runs away, lives to nuke the site from orbit"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware