HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Incubus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: 2nd tat..where in New England..friendly
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:20:30 GMT
Organization: The Order of the Gash


>I'm thinking of getting another tattoo done.  I go to school in western 
>Massachusetts
>Where in New Hampshire?

Well about 1.5 hours north from you is a shop where I apprentice...
and as such I will not make any pretentions that my opinion is not
thereby influenced...

with that said...come up and check out Sign of the Wolf in W. Lebanon, NH...
show the piece you are interested in to Dave or Kevin (the two artists
that work there all the time...) and get an estimate and make sure that
these would be people you would want to have sticking you with needles...

just last week, vyxter@ftp.com, came up to check out the place and wanted
to have hers done then and there...and it was...I am an assistant 
instructor at an aikido school here so I didnt get to meet her 
personally, but I advise you write to her and ask her about the experience...

I honestly know of no one who is not happy with the work they have
received at SotW...
their hours roughly
Tues - Sat: 12 - 7...
since you have a bit of a drive I would suggest calling first to make sure
they will be around...
their number is 603-298-6053
just come up and check them out and see if it feels right there...
no matter how bad you want a tattoo, if it doesnt feel right between
you and your artist...dont do it...

see you around...
Paul Haban
The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu
From: nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu (Nomi L. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: How long to wait before changing first earrings?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:50:41 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

I got my earlobes pierced on Oct 24 at the Gauntlet.  They told me
to wait 6 weeks before I change earrings.  I have been cleaning my
earlobes religiously, and have had no problems; they don't hurt and
aren't oozing or anything.  I bought some gold hoops with 14K gold-
filled posts (I know I shouldn't wear cheap-metal earrings, but
solid-gold posts are so expensive!), and I'm dying to try them out,
but it's been less than 3 weeks, and I don't want my ears to get
infected.  Would I be unwise to try to change earrings at this
point?

I lived for 26 years with unpierced ears; now I want to be an
earring SLUT and try out all the earrings I see. :-)

Apologies for posting such a vanilla question.

	Nomi Harris
	nomi@cgl.ucsf.edu
From: bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:08:23 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College

Hello, I'm here to bitch about an e-mail someone sent me.  My reason for 
posting this is because I think it comes from someone who is a real asshole 
and I want to know if he has sent anyone else an e-mail that was as offending
and condescending.

Here it is -

>Subject:  Don't wear a nose ring.

>Men don't like that kind of thing Beth.
>Besides, You couldn't get a job with one of those and
>maybe some day you are going to regret it when some nice guy
>rejects you because you have an earing on your nose.
>It is not an "In" thing to do.  Let your nose heal itself,
>and think about other peoples reactions before you try
>something like that again.
>                     ----Joe
>p.s The pain you were experiencing on the side of your face was
>the platorax nerve which was being damaged while you were augoring
>a hole into the side of your face.  It was trying to say "Stop, Your
>Hurting MEE!!,  I have had enough of the destruction to the beuty of your own
>Face!!"

WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY!!!  WHAT THE HELL IS HE READING THE BODY ART NET FOR
IF HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO DO TO THEIR OWN BODY!!!!-

I'M QUEER AND A WOMAN AND I WILL DO WHAT I WANT TO MY BODY!!!

I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO,"reject me", MALE OR FEMALE!!!

JOE- IF YOU READ THIS; I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD DO 
OR NOT DO WITH MY ON BODY!!!  AND ANOTHER THING, I THINK I'M BEAUTIFUL AND
YOU ARE NO JUDGE OF WHAT IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT ME, SO FUCK YOU!!!
- 
BCorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
The stylin' chick with an attitude. I'm studying video/LBGS/Women's stu.
"Honey there's plastic in the bed." - Heather
"I just might die with a smile on my face afterall." - Morrissey
"I've got more than one membership to more than one club." - Ani Difrancoz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: THOUGHT POLICE ON THE NET!!LAUGH!!!
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 04:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.200657.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.222708.4293@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>> [etc. deleted, since we've memorized it already]
>> 
>>>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>>>what they choose to do to their bodies.
>> 
>> And we have the right to kick his fucking ass? Grow up.
>
>yes, i DO think we have the right to kick his fucking ass....because
>he's harrassing,bullying and condesending to say the least, 

Oh. Right. He expressed an opinion (perhaps mis-stated as fact).
So what? He has every right to do that. Or have you taken over?

>i think is intolerable.  and, just for your information, to "kick someone's
>ass" is a phrase, honey, not to be taken literally.  it means that
>we should not tolerate his shit. boy, i feel so bad for those who
>get so upset over little things like phrases "kicking ass"...*sigh*

Should anyone tolerate your shit?
I feel bad for fools. Fool.

From: jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:09:24 GMT

>She has every right to express her    
>anger at someone who wrote an offensive response to one of her postings.

He's no right to express his thoughts? I found his response to be well
intentioned, if perhaps narrow minded, even ignorant. It certainly wasn't
mean. 

>Furthermore, harrassment of other people's opinions and actions should
>not be tolerated

Think about this, 'honey'. Try, anyway. Or have you taken over?

>Why not alert the rest of the net that there is some asshole
>responding rudely to what people are writing on the net?

Someone merely suggested keeping shouting to e-mail. Or didn't you notice,
in your silly rage?

>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>what they choose to do to their bodies.

You, however, have every right to judge people on what they choose to 
type on their terminals?

Grow up.
Tim
Not even the least bit upset.
;-)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy)
Subject: questions
Keywords: Septum, Clitoris
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:41:49 GMT


my girlfriend and i have been discussing piercings lately, and we're
pretty sure we are going to go together to get one each.  we are each
considering getting our septums done, but have a couple of questions
about the process.  i apologize if any of this is on an FAQ for this
group, but i haven't seen any list posted for this group, and if there
is one, i would appreciate a copy.  back to the questions.

one description i have read of a fellow who pierced his own septum
listed that the guy had placed it BELOW the cartelidge of the septum,
just above the little bridge of skin between the nostrils.  it this the
normal placement?  i would have thought it would go THROUGH the
cartelidge.  from you who have experience, how badly did it hurt to get
it done.  what was the healing time.  did you use one of those U-shaped
retainer studs?  how (un)comfortable was it.  what kinds of reactions
did you get from the general public?

my girlfriend also wants information (first-hand accounts) about
clitoral piercings.  she's considering one, but wants to feel more fully
informed before she makes any definite moves toward realizing it.

thanks for any help.

-Andy


Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: Jack.Smoke@launchpad.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Subject: FAQ?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:49:15 GMT

I've been reading this newsgroup for a while, and have yet to see the much
heralded FAQ.  Who handles it, and why hasn't it been posted?  Maybe 
we should all start chanting, like they do at concerts?

FAQ!  FAQ! FAQ!



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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: GUAGE size
Organization: UCCSN-SCS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:20:34 GMT

Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>   hows a 20 guage for an eyebrow?

The literature I have from Gauntlet claims that 18 gauge is
the most common.  They also mention 14 ga and 16 ga too.
Generally, the thicker the gauge, the harder it is to pull
the ring out the _wrong_ way: like a hot wire through a
block of butter.  :-\

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: questions
Keywords: Septum, Clitoris
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:13:37 GMT

In article <1dpmiaINN9ch@roche.csl.sri.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.064149.19239@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy) writes:
>>
>>one description i have read of a fellow who pierced his own septum
>>listed that the guy had placed it BELOW the cartelidge of the septum,
>>just above the little bridge of skin between the nostrils.  it this the
>>normal placement?
>
>	Yup, it sure is. That's where every septum pierce I've ever 
>	seen is done.

The FAQ mentions cartilage piercing as having been common in certain
cultures; I chose to put mine below because of all the nasty painful
stories I'd read about tragus pierces. And because I think it would be
a bitch to pierce my own septum cartilage. I've seen noses that it 
wouldn't be a problem with, but those were funny lookin noses, IMO.

>>  i would have thought it would go THROUGH the
>>cartelidge.
>
>	I'd think it would be a mistake to do that, for several reasons;
>	one, it would get infected really easy, and that's not a happy 
>	place to have infections; two, it would tend to be too high up
>	in the nose, and three, it would be really, really hard to pierce...

Yep.

>>  from you who have experience, how badly did it hurt to get
>>it done.
>
>	It's the only piercing I've ever gotten that I would actually describe
>	as 'fun'. It was a major ruse to have done, and hurt much less than 
>	I expected it to...

I pierced my own. It was great. Almost a nasal orgasm. One person that 
was amused by my story about my pierce mentioned that he rather enjoyed
the sensation of plucking a nostril hair. It feels quite like that.

>>  what was the healing time.
>
>	Fast. six weeks it felt healed. Everything else I've ever 
>	had took much longer.... 

>>  did you use one of those U-shaped
>>retainer studs?  how (un)comfortable was it.
>
>	The first week, it was hell. Felt like a huge booger. After 
>	that, I got used to it and never noticed it was there.

Mine hurt like a mofo for a couple of weeks, I think because it was
*too* close to the cartilage, and was very easily irritated. Of course,
I had a nasty habit of smacking myself in the nose frequently, and 
didn't realize it 'till after I pierced it. Plus, I did it in early
spring, and my nose was always runny. After a few weeks, I might not
have noticed it, but I fiddled with it all the time, and I'm not
really happy with the inside of my nose lately. I think that skydiving
with congestion and having my fingers in my nose all the time have more
to do with it that the pierce. That's just me.
One thing... I quit wearing the retainer quite a while ago, and one
day I stuck a pper clip though the hole. Bad Idea. Nothing that a few dabs 
of Betadine didn't clear up, but... don't try it, eh?
;-)

>			-Karl

Tim
From: s_wilkin@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Gerbil shaving and piercing
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:16:56 GMT
Organization: Tree Of Woe, Bristol
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Ick!
That's horrible...
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:23:13 -0500 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: should niobium rings fade?

>elef> i have a niobium ring that used to be purple that has faded into
>elef> a silverish metal color.  should niobium be doing this?  none of
>
>I've talked to several people who've had niobium fade, it seems to go
>based a lot on how chemically rough that part of the body is.  It
>seems the most common fades I've heard of are: inner labia (three
>rings), navel (two rings), PA (two rings).  I haven't heard anybody
>complain about ear/nose/eyebrow niobium rings fading...

I have had niobium rings change color.  The part that's in contact with the
skin has changed.  A yellow ring of mine has gotten darker, into the orange
range where it's inside the pierce.  A purple one has also gotten lighter.
Here's my hypothesis why:
Niobium is colored by ananodization process.  Basically, a very thin
transparent layer of oxides is deposited on the surface of the metal.  That
thin layer refracts light going through it, so it looks like a different color.
The thickness of the layer determines the color of the metal.  So, if some of
the oxide layer has worn off, or if it reacts with your skin and more oxides
form, the thickness of the layer will change, and the color of the ring will
change.  I colored my own rings, so I have a little bit of experience (although
not much) with how the colors go through.  On mine, the colors seem to be
changing in the direction of a thicker oxide layer instead of a thinner one.
Come to think of it, I think I had a light blue ring change color as well.
(I have many more rings than holes, just because I made them myself.  It's nice
to have a variety to choose from...:)

-me
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: s4349339@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sarah Fox Jahn)
Subject: Here's that henna info again :)
Keywords: henna, temp tat
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:55:50 GMT

>From JLR:
If you want a groovy "temp tat" that lasts about a week, try using henna.
Go to an Indian or Black specialty shop and get the green powdered herb--NOT
the type with other shit mixed in, just the pure herb.  You can get a pound of
the stuff (a year's supply!!) for like $3 down here in DC.  Okay, now take a
bowl, and put in about 1/4 cup of henna powder.  Then, mix a bit of water in,
a little at a time, until you get a paste a little looser than canned cake
frosting.Now, using a small STIFF brush or the broken tine of a plastic
fork (or similar stiff yet flexible object), paint on the desired design in
a thickish coat of the stuff.  Bold designs work best.  Now comes the hard
part--you MUST let it dry thouroughly, and preferrably overnite.  Try taping/
wrapping gauze over/around your design.  The next morn (or a long time later)
lightly mist the design if possible and let it sit a few minutes more.  Then,
wash the henna off in the shower.  Your skin will be left with an orange/dark
brown design which will last till it wears off.  I did this at a women's
festival once and it looked WAY cool.  One woman had spirals all over her
chakras for a dance.

PS--If you buy this stuff in an Indian shop, ask if they have plastic "patterns
" for the stuff--basically, they're stencils that you lay on the skin, slather
the glop over, and lift.  Gorgeous!



Enjoy!

							Pan

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Subject: Re: dod
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:56:13 GMT

In article <a6F3TB2w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org> bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Tejas Wood) writes:

> information deleted, natch

You realize, of course, that the core DoD members will now have to kill you.

< oh, and that's :) for the humor impaired, or for those that really have no
 clue what the DoD is all about >

 -LjM

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From: lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ramona)
Subject: Re: Doctors visit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:15:33 GMT

Hey, Eric!  What's up?  Em told me you were sick, but she didn't 
say bronchitis and she didn't say two months.  What took you so 
fucking long?  Not the smartest thing to do.  At least you went,
so I'm not going to worry about it, as long as everything's OK.
Em's parents are gone, so you two have fun this weekend.  Kiss
he for me, OK?  Or whatever the spirit moves you to do.


					Hugs

					   Ramona

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
[etc. deleted, since we've memorized it already]

>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>what they choose to do to their bodies.

And we have the right to kick his fucking ass? Grow up.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: kneale@noao.edu (ruth a. kneale)
Subject: Re: Advice for ear piercing
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:40:22 GMT

Oops, forgot one more question.  If the answer to (1) is yes, I can
do this myself, can anyone tell me the best way to go about it?

Thanks again in advance!

-- 
ruth a. kneale			I crave it all but don't get
rkneale@noao.edu		any of it as often as I'd like.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy)
Subject: Re: Can U swim w/new nose pierce?...
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:45:55 GMT

I just got a packet of info today from DC's Gauntlet representative, and
it included some answers to some common questions.  It has this to say
about swimming:

What about swimming pools and hot tubs?

A well-chlorinated swimming pool should not be risky but may cause a new
piercing to sting quite uncomfortably.  The warm water in a hot tub
(particularly the wooden ones) can be a breeding ground for harmful
organisms.  When in doubt, schedule one of yout two daily piercing
cleanings for immediately after being in the water.

-Andy


Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:43:11 -0500 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Advice on a navel piercing

I pierced my navel twice.  First time was a total disaster.  I used a sewing
needle and an ear post.  Don't even try.
Anyway, second time I got a 14ga piercing needle and put in a 16ga gold ring.
It was fine for a while, but then it started getting red and it eventually
moved over to the edge and fell off.  I was surprised it happened so quickly-
less than a month and it grew out.  I found out that it was waay too close to
the edge.  Now I have some scar tissue there which isn't beautiful, but it's
not too ugly either.  In the time it took for the navel to grow out, I
convinced myself that a nipple ring really isn't that weird.  So, I did that
(myself again, with a 14ga piercing needle and 14ga niobium captive bead ring
I made) and it healed fine and it's doing well now.  It did hurt a little
more than the navel, and it was harder for me to push the needle through, but
I'm sure if someone else did it it really wouldn't be that bad.  On both
pierces, once the needle is through the flesh, it really doesn't hurt at all
(as long as the needle's lubricated enough...)

Good luck!


-me
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: cleansing
Organization: UCCSN-SCS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:28:37 GMT

bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Tejas Wood) writes:
>why did they tell me not to use peroxide on my ear piercings?

Because it destroys the newly forming skin inside the piercing
and with prolonged use, it can irritate the already existing
skin around the piercing.  It's good for occasional use but
any prolonged exposure can lead to painful problems.

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p
From: erover@panix.com (Elizabeth Rover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:59:49 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov11.234757.20140@panix.com> erover@panix.com (Elizabeth Rover) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.200657.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.222708.4293@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>>> In article <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>> [etc. deleted, since we've memorized it already]
>>> 
>>>>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>>>>what they choose to do to their bodies.
>>> 
>>> And we have the right to kick his fucking ass? Grow up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>yes, i DO think we have the right to kick his fucking ass....because
>>he's harrassing,bullying and condesending to say the least, which
>>i think is intolerable. 
>
Ooops! A bit of commentary seems not to have made it to the net. Basically,
this all sounds a bit like the old "I will tolerate anything but
intolerance" thing. 

Why should we bully bullies because we think bullying is wrong? Why should
we harass harassers because we think harassing is wrong? etc... it's a line
of reasoning I've never really understood, and quite honestly hope I never do.>
>-- 



-- 
Liz Rover           "Le coeur a des raisons que la raison ne connait pas"
erover@panix.com    "The heart has reasons that the reason does not know"
From: qedoabff@w206zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Peter Bosel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Adult circumcision
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:44:00 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: w206zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

I live in Germany, where circumcision is by far not as common as in the U. S.,
and so I am not circumcised.

As I like the smooth, streamlined appearance of a circumcised penis together 
with the easier hygiene, I think about having done circumcision now.

Of course this is a difficult decision - you can't take it back satisfactory
(like a tatoo) and I am afraid that I could wish my foreskin back
one day. Does anybody has experiences with adult circumcision? If yes, how
went the operation and how do you like the condition now?

I am especially concerned by the statement of some people, that there might
appear an unpleasant scar directly under the glans (where the cut is made),
which would not happen when circumcision is performed before puberty.

Thank you.

Peter




Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA