From: kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu)
Subject: Re: Mac vs NeXT was Re: Need to convince boss 486's are *not* w
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:32:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.235432.11874@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes:
>>The LIST price for a NeXTSTATION Turbo with 8megs of memory and 250 MB hard
>>drive is only $5995 (street is much cheaper) AND if you are a developer
>>you own the rights to the full suite of NeXT development tools, so what
>>is your point?
>My point was that WHAT the config and type of machine used and added feature
>were should be used in compairison.
>Your article give the amount of info that compairisons should provide.
>The cost of added software and hareware and what can be accompliced with
>it and some drawbacks.
>These postings of a '~$17000 Quadra that does not measure to a NEXT at the
>same price' and NOT give the configs is stupid.  A ~$17000 Quadra config
>could include
>~7000 - Quadra 950 8M/250MB
>  includes SCSI-2{~4MB per sec throughput; Mac OS needs to be rewritten to
>use it at that speed and thats NOT including wide and fast. Third party venders
>provide some of the patches needed.}

Been there, done that.  The NeXT's drivers need a little work, though.

>~3000 -Radius Rocket 040/33 {TWO quadra 950s CPUs} 

Someone posted the prices for two '040 Spherical Solutions
coprocessing motherboards (don't know the exact name that can 
be inserted into the NeXTcube's slots, for a total of three 040s.

You can designate them to be print servers, or do funky distributed
rendering and other things with them.  Each motherboard includes
ethernet ports, a DSP and the accompaning port, a printer port,
SCSI-2 port and two parallel ports.  May have missed a port or two. :)

>~1000 - A/UX 3.0 

BSD, Mach, bundled free.
>~1000 - C compliler

GNU C++ and Objective-C bundled free.

>~2000 - 1GB {1000MB} external harddrive SCSI-2 compatable

No difference between NeXT drives and Mac drives.

>~1600 - 8 4MB SIMMS; 4 in the Quadra 4 in the Rocket

Same goes for RAM.

>~2000 - AppleShare Server

Appleshare?  Did NS 3.0 do something about transparent access to 
Novell and Appletalk networks?  I seem to remember so.

>Total ~18000, config 28MB/20MB//250MB/1GB server and SCSI-2 interface and 
>through put {While 7.1 is does not support SCSI-2 as SCSI-2, I believe A/UX
>3.0 DOES.  System 7.1 uses SCSI-2 as a fast SCSI-1 with two 7 device chains.
>While SCSI-2 can handle up to 10 devices of one chain A/UX only allows 7
>for Mac System compatablity. :-(}

And the NeXT Dimension, with full NSTC input and output.  (Hmmm...
perhaps not full output.  The chipset, I have heard, has to drop fifty
or so pixel rows from the screen)  The JPEG compression has not shipped
and no one knows why. 
>
>Questions:  Does the NeXT have SCSI-2 built in as does the Quadra 950, are 
>there Rockets other that allow dual CPU processing for the NeXT, EtherNet
>Phase-2 support built in?  If so then the NeXT does beat the pants off
>the Mac, if not then I say they are about even.

Yes.  Yes.  Oh yes.


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