HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Internet Access Available
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:52:23 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club



Attention Internet Users:

There is an Online Service reachable through the Internet that offers 
stimulating conversation and entertainment.  We have RIME conferences
online as well as Usenet NEWS and other local message areas.  We also
have File Transfers available for many computer types, with either modem
or network file transfer capability (XMODEM, ZMODEM and FTP).

We have access to several MUDs including Vincents Hollow, and great
multi-player games such as Conquest, a full-screen space battle game,
and other entertainment sections, such as a CB Simulator and IRC Chat.
We host weekly CB conferences on various topics ranging from education
instruction practices to events on current affairs (such as the elections
and associated happenings).  People from all over the world participate
in our message areas - bringing the world closer together to form a global
meeting place.

We offer Internet access to all users, however Commercial users are
restricted to non-NSFnet access.  Only Educational and Research uses
are permitted over the NSFnet.

TELNET, FTP, MAIL, FINGER, and TALK access is available online.

The name of the system is the IDS World Network.  How can you get there?

      Modem:  (401) 884-9002   (high speed numbers available upon request)
      Internet:      telnet ids.net   [155.212.1.2]

Members of the Education and Research community are invited to participate,
as we are constantly looking to link users from these groups together.

Andy, sysadmin@ids.net
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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.175913.27169@unixland.natick.ma.us> bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
>Well he is right in the sense that there *are* some places taht provide
>feeds for free.  These are often companies that provide the service as
>a "public service" and have enoough profit margin to enable them to spend
>money this way.
>
>There are also some smaller sites run from people's homes where they provide
>free feeds.  I can only surmise that these sites are run by people who are
>pretty well-to-do so they can afford to spend the hundreds of $$ per month
>that it costs to run such a site, pay for thousands of dollards of hardware,
>etc, etc.

	Well...if this is the case in the States, then I'm glad
I live in Canada.  Here in Toronto, it is easy to get at least one
feed for a Usenet site...without paying for it.  I know of *no*
site in Toronto that *charges* for a feed (other then places like
Uunet)  I know of a few that do pay places like Uunet, but that is
by choice, usually a result of it being a large company who has
large volumes of email, but very few of them don't help the 
community out by providing free feeds out.

	As for being 'well-to-do'??  I am definitely not even 
close to that...and I run a public access site, as well as provide
*free* feeds...and all the 'revenue' I get in is the occasional
donation from a user, nothing fixed.

Marc

>-- 
>bill@unixland.natick.ma.us                      ESIX Mailing List Moderator
>Public Access UNIX/USENET/E-MAIL!  UUCP Accounts Available!  (508) 655-3848
>5 lines  -  Located in Natick, MA   USA    Supporting V.32/PEP/V.42bis, etc.


-- 
Marc G. Fournier      | R-node Public Access Unix running UnixBBS 1.03
Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell accounts available  1800+ newsgroups  FREE
marc@r-node.pci.on.ca | Telebit WorldBlazer/SupraModem2400/Cardinal 2400
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Free Feed? Where!?!?!
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:38:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organzation

In article <37256@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:
>Ok, enough BS about free feeds.  I have yet to see someone stand up
>and say "hey, I'll feed you for free - your only cost is the long
>distance call."  So tell me, someone, please - who in the US will
>provide me a Usenet/UUCP/Email feed for free at V.32bis speeds?
>
	I'll stand up and offer it...I'm in Toronto Canada though...
and will only offer it on a first-come, first-serve basis to those
with High Speed Modems...I'm running a Telebit Worldblazer on
one line.  2400baud need not apply, sorry

Marc
-- 
Marc G. Fournier      | R-node Public Access Unix running UnixBBS 1.03
Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell accounts available  1900+ newsgroups  FREE
marc@r-node.pci.on.ca | Telebit WorldBlazer/SupraModem2400/Cardinal 2400 
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From: vancleef@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef--RCS)
Subject: Land of Garg BBS
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:27:24 GMT

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From: pcormier@bfield.uucp (Paul Cormier)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:52:19 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

In article <06cTRB2w165w@angus.mi.org>, John Lussmyer <dragon@angus.mi.org>
writes:
>max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray) writes:

>Free feed?  I don't think there is such a thing as a truly free feed.
>If you aren't paying the supplier for the connect time, you are paying
>the phone company for phone time.  It gets really easy to run up a $100
>month phone bill that way.
>   Yeah, most people who would like to get a newsfeed would already have
>a system capable of handling it.  But they also want to be able to USE
>their own system.  So that means having a second one to handle the BBS
>end of the deal.  (Yeah, you could run under a multi-tasking OS, but who
>want to loose the performance, and have the system crash out from under
>them.)


You can get an Amiga :-)  I run the bulletin board (two lines) and uucp (unix
clone) and feed other people with no problem at all.

The only thing we have to pay for now is our mail since it goes directly
through uunet. :(  Which is $7.00/month /site.  Not too bad considering the
speed of it all.

Paul Cormier  "pcormier@bfield.uucp"..........................................
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From: DEH118@psuvm.psu.edu (Daniel Hogan)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Macintosh BBS in PA
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:36:07 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


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From: John Lussmyer <dragon@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,biz.comp.services
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:32:31 EDT
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:
> The point being made is that there are a number of other alternatives these d
> Ten years ago that was not the case. Today I think that anyone who really
> wants to read the news can find someone that will feed it to them for nothing
> As long as people agree to pay there will be a market. Remember one
> of the first rules of capitalism DEMAND=SUPPLY.
> 

It sounds like you are saying that everyone who is currently PAYING for
newsfeeds should immediately stop and find someone who supplies it for
free.  Of course that would result in many/most sites dropping news
altogether because they couldn't afford it.  The free sites would become
completely overloaded and unusable.  From your statements I would guess
that you would be happy to provide phone line and computer for a small
newsfeed site, why it would only cost $1000-$2000 for a minimial system
and another $100/month in phone charges.  Everybody should be glad to
provide such a service.  (Slight tinge of sarcasm there for those who
might not have noticed.)  If no-one payed for news, it would become
useless because no-one would use it when the only access was through 
overloaded systems.  Universities and suchlike would probably restrict
access to students/faculty only, etc...

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: DSC BBS - IVYLAND, PA
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: ron.brandt@satalink.com (Ron Brandt)
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From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,biz.comp.services
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:

> >> Give me a break, don't expect the computer to do all of your thinking for 
> >
> >Give me a break, don't expect such an inane posting to pass for useful
> >information.  
> >
> Of course when information is taken out of context it may seem inane, but
> the map entries which were included for the gentleman seemed to help. 
> 

Out of context?  Not really.  You first exclaim that you can't understand
why anybody would pay for a feed.  When someone replies and sites "lack of
free, local connections" you post a few entries from a uucp map showing that
there are indeed sites in the are!

So what?  They are most likely single-user sites and are not likely to carry
the information that John would be looking for.  His point was that there are
reasons to pay for access.  Your reply was "Look!  There are other sites!"

Why would anyone pay for a feed?  Good question.  I noticed in one of your
later posts you backpeddled and stated:

    That is entirely the point. Of course none of us make any money but 
    we are supposed to be doing this to spread the flow of information.

    I certainly don't make anything here from any of the lines but now 
    and then someone sends a check in to be nice.

    If you have to charge to do this then I would be happy with asking 
    for contributions but not refusing sites. I guess it comes down to 
    semantics in this case I can certainly understand trying to support 
    a hobby (if that is what it is) but if it is not then no, I do not 
    feel money should be charged for a profit.
    
    The operative word here is profit!
   
It would seem that you are running a site under conditions similar to 
mine.  I do not charge for access, but accept contributions from users 
that want to help share the financial burden.  I do, however, pay for
a feed.  I pay for it because it has enabled my uucp site to send 
mail to someone in Hudson, Mass. and read their reply ten minutes later.
I have access to 47Mb of news feeds a day (much more than my humble 
system can handle).  I'm one hop off Internet.  I can't find a free
feed that offers all that.

That's why someone would pay for a feed.

I don't charge my users for the current level of service.  If I go 
through with plans to upgrade my CPU, get a larger drive, switch to a 
Unix-type OS, and add two more phone lines I will start charging for 
full-service use.  I will, however, continue to allow free access for 
e-mail and some Usenet access.  

> Oh how I love simple minded flames!

I've noticed.  You seem to excell at them.

--
Gabe Helou (pfbbs!gabe@angus.mi.org -or- ...uunet!angus!pfbbs!gabe)
The Permanent Floating BBS [Catch us when you can] ----------------------------
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Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 07:03:08 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <1992Sep29.133427.130@r-node.gts.org> marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:

>	As for being 'well-to-do'??  I am definitely not even 
>close to that...and I run a public access site, as well as provide
>*free* feeds...and all the 'revenue' I get in is the occasional
>donation from a user, nothing fixed.

"well-to-do?" Sheesh. I'm unemployed, and living hand-to-mouth, and still
manage to provide free access via Waffle to anyone who wants it. The sites
receiving a feed provide me with $8/month to offset the $82/month phone
bill, but I would be reluctant to refuse a feed to anyone who wanted it,
whether they paid me or not. The folks downstream contribute to the monthly
cost of maintaining the phone lines simply because they understand the
service depends upon their support.... I could operate quite comfortably
with a single line, but it seems an awful waste of a good XENIX box :-)

I believe communication is critical to education, and my machine (aging
386/25) is quite capable of feeding dozens of downstream systems without
bogging down to any degree that matters.
-- 
The Old Frog's Almanac - Public Access UseNet for Central Vancouver Island
     (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Waffle XENIX 1.64
Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay)
                    < October 26th: voting NO >
From: sysop@etacbbs.knox.tn.us (Sysop) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: E TENN ADULT CONNECTION
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: East Tennessee Adult Connection - (615)690-4716  9600 v.32/v.42/bis
Reply-To: sysop@etacbbs.knox.tn.us (Sysop) 

                    East Tennessee Adult Connection

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.. Valerie - CoSysOp ..
                                                                                                   
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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,biz.comp.services
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:39:31 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)

In article <1992Oct1.060406.8850@frog.CRDS.COM> rmk@frog.CRDS.COM (frog) writes:
>I pay $100 per year for reliablility.  The possible free feed goes down a lot
>and has no interest in guaranteeing mail or news service, but Bill Heiser at
>unixland has a reason, my $100, to keep things flowing smoothly.
>
	I have a reason also...reputation. I provide public access and
free news/mail feeds and my interest is in maintaining a reputation for
reliability...my down time is almost negligible, I maintain three
phone lines (donating *users* get access to all three, but feeds don't
pay)

>It's one thing to have a free feed that has flowed through a lot of slow UUCP
>sites, and quite another to pay $100 per year for a feed that can get my mail
>to the west coast in less than an hour.
>
	Hmmmm...my email gets to the west coast in less then an hour 
also...in fact, I get email *from* the west coast in less then an hour
usually also.  

>You get what you pay for.

	Not all the time

Marc
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Marc G. Fournier      | R-node Public Access Unix running UnixBBS 1.03
Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell accounts available  1900+ newsgroups  FREE
marc@r-node.pci.on.ca | Telebit WorldBlazer/SupraModem2400/Cardinal 2400
From: dlbb0@diag.amdahl.com (David Black)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Hip-Hop BBS
Keywords: linux bbs uucp games free
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:36:58 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Cupertino, CA

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-- 
David L. Black     I/O Diagnostics Development  Hip-Hop BBS: Linux support
dlbb0@amdahl.com   Amdahl Corp., Sunnyvale CA    408-773-0768 V.32bis/HST
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