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From: jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Personality disorder? (was Re: Travel,Persona)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 04:06:06 GMT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Newington, CT)

In article <sccqsINN49i@agate.berkeley.edu>, cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
> In article <702887783.F00003@ocitor.fidonet> Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:
>> Someone who is not as good a storyteller out of persona as in has a
>> personality disorder that needs being looked at. Tadhg and Tiomoid are
>> equally good (or bad, depending on one's viewpoint) as teacher,
>> storyteller, singer, calligrapher, embroiderer, herald, lawyer, historian,
>> or whatever, precisely because *we are the same person*.
> 
> ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY!!
> 
> Thank you, milord, for saying so clearly what I have been trying to say
> all along.

I, however, must disagree.  I, too, am a better storyteller when in my 
persona.  The mechanism by which this is so is not dissimilar, in my 
opinion, to the use of ventriloquist dummies to aid in curing stutterers
(a good friend of mine was helped in this manner).

I, Jeff Lee, am a fairly shy person.  When I am Godfrey de Shipbrook, I
am *acting*: I alter my speech mode and my behaviour patterns to conform
to those which I chose for my persona.  Godfrey's not so much different
than Jeff, but his character contains the self-confidence that I would
like to have.

Most of my abilities (those which are purely physical) do not differ:
I am no better an archer, fencer, or calligrapher, when I am in persona.
But those which require interpersonal communications skills -- singing, 
telling stories, even conversing or making friends -- are much improved
when I act with self-confidence.

My shyness is a trait that I would like to change, and the use of
my persona to overcome it has, in fact, made it easier to overcome
mundanely.

If you consider it to be a "personality disorder" that I use my persona
to help myself in this manner, that is your business; you are entitled
to your own opinion.  But I do hope that, after reading this message,
you will at least *consider* the other side of the matter.

Then again, I *could* be as loony as a nuthatch...  :)

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Camp Ovens
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:35:05 GMT

In article <17764800000@ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU> U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU writes:
>
>Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!
>
>   A few days ago, milord Hrothgar posted requesting information on
>period camp ovens or mundane equivalents.  One possibility in the
>later catagory (which I mentioned to him by e-mail) is the Dutch
>oven.  This set me wondering, however.  I believe that the Dutch
>oven itself is an 18th or 19th century refinement, but I suspect that
>the method of baking in an iron pot surrounded by coals is much
>older.  Does anyone here have an idea of how far back this method
>can be traced?

Given that the widespread use of iron cookware dates back to a bit
after Abraham Darby set up shop in Colbrookdale . . .  18th century
sounds about right.

(Remember--iron used to be *e*x*p*e*n*s*i*v*e*.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Face thrusts (ooh, anoth
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:24:39 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I realized something interesting while perusing the articles on face-thrusting.
Face thrusts are allowed in the West, and are an important part of our war
strategy, but for some reason very few people use pointed weapons in 
tourney fighting. The few times I've asked about it, the responses (from
knights) have been on the order of "If you're any good, you shouldn't need
to stab people to kill them, you should be able to kill with the edge of
the blade." What do you think about that?

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West


--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:51:57 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Greetings from Arval!  I had asked:

> I think that most of us expect people to improve their outward appearance
> over their SCA-lifetime, and to look more medieval.  Why is one's name
> different?  ...a name is far more public & noticable than most of the
> things we use in the SCA. 

Dave Aronson replied: 

>  M'lord, I beg to differ.  All who see you see your garb.  All who see you
>  fight, see your armor (not to mention your weaponry).  Even your encampment
>  is seen by all who pass it by in their daily travels at such events.  But
>  unless you are famous, only those to whom you are introduced, see your
> name. 

I disagree: Our names are announced on the field, in court, and in many
other circumstances.  Names are one of the most public things we have in
the SCA.  I would also note that they are one of the things most closely
tied to adopting a medieval persona, no matter how you define persona (see
other thread :), and therefore I believe that the choice of a _medieval_
name is a crucial part of making yourself part of the SCA.  

I think the SCA is here for people who want to experience its medieval
atmosphere.  If you want medieval music, there are far better places to go.
If you want medieval clothing, there are much better places to study.  If
you want a large-scale medieval atmosphere, we do it better than anyone
(scary thought, that).  I therefore believe that it is incumbent upon each
of us to avoid introducing modern elements into the SCA whenever we can,
and that it is a matter of simple courtesy to improve our outward
appearance to eliminate modern elements.  No one is or can be perfect, but
anyone can make an effort.  Choosing a proper medieval name is a small
effort, with a large pay-back.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: eabbott@unlinfo.unl.edu (eric abbott)
Subject: Re: travel time to events: population density factor
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: world,na,usa,local
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 22:18:48 GMT


>	Speaking from the Eastern edge of the Midrealm (central-eastern
>Ohio), I am forced to wonder at the geographic knowledge of a number of
>folk who have posted on this topic.  Cross several state line in 100
>miles?  Sure, I know of a place where this is possible, but its 150 miles
>away.  The farthest traveling I have done to events has been to Crown Tourneys
>and to a Border Raid with Meridies.  Travel time to the three was 9 hrs, 
>7hrs, and 8 hrs, respectively (I average somewhere between 65 and 70 mph).
>Only on the 9 hr drive did I cross more than one state line, and there I 
>crossed two.  
>	Not willing to drive 100 miles?  Since last Pennsic I have only
>found three events within that range.  I routinely drive 3-5 hrs, and more
>is not terribly unusual.  Population density has everything to do with it.
>I spoke with a gentle last night who moved to Columbus, OH (one large group,
>one small one) from Chicago (which he told me has at least four large ones
>within the metro area.)  There may dangers and disadvantages to living in
>areas with a high-population of SCA groups, but one immediate advantage
>is that one doesn't HAVE to drive far to attend events. (maybe that's why
>people who are transplanted into SCA-empty areas like me found new groups?)

>Of course, I AM only three hours from Pennsic <;+)

>Arinbjorn


Greetings to the good people of the Rialto!
Senyor Salvador Paolo de Barcelona asks a moment of your 
precious time.

In response to the driving times and sizes of the kingdoms, 
I have lived in many different places within our society and
find that population density has all to do with it.  When I 
lived in Caid many people wouldn't travel from Angels to 
Califia (approx 2 hrs) yet in Calontir people travel up to 
12 hrs at some shots.  Our Furthest groups are separated by 
nearly 24 hrs. Most do not travel that length, yet some 
will.  A dear lady attended our event this weekend (Mag 
Mor-Lincoln Ne) she drove from Rapid City S.D. 
(Shattencouer) nearly 10 hrs, by herself.  I think that the 
more sparse the more likely to have fartravellers.


in service to the dream 
Salvador
From: Matt.Drury@p0.f69.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Matt Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Isaac Asimov
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:21:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/69.0 - London, Belle Isle FL


 > Anyone have details on last night's death of Isaac Asimov?  What was
 > his SCA name, if any?

A lot of stuff went by my news feed on him, but I wasn't able to capture any of it. It read, I recall, like he died at age 72 of complications following some surgery he had a while back. I don't think he was directly involved in the SCA (never seen him refer to it or have it related to him, unlike Bob Asprin or Piers Anthony, respectively).

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From: uccxdem@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Subject: Re: Why call light blows?
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:14:36 GMT

To All good peoples of the Rialto:
In response to Stephen Whitis' remarks about a certain Sir Count.
I personally know this Count and He definitely does not rhino-hide,
I have faced him on the field and off. The Count in question is a large
man. I, myself, am not small; standing just over 6 feet tall and weighing
in at 189 pounds. The Count stands at least 6 inches taller and weighs
about 75 pounds more. I do have to hit a little harder on him than someone
my own size, just like I have to throw easier hits on someone who is
6 inches shorter than me. In this case I believe that size has more effect
on the power of the killing shot than true "rhino-hiding".
From: Innane Blather
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Help in Gaelic sought
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:58:49 GMT
Reply-To: cn0n@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


---  Greetings to my Lords, and Ladies of the Rialto from Etain of the  
Debatable Lands  ---

I am searching for a Gaelic word that translates to 'valor' or something
similar to this... Can anyone out there be of assistance????

thank you ever so much in advance.

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From: schuldy@bedford.progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Dietary restrictions
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:09:38 GMT


Gwenllian agreed with me, and wrote:

  I have also noticed the tendency for off-board tables to be away from the
  interesting areas of a feast hall.  Also, as most of the borough of which
  I am part tends to go on-board, I find myself sitting alone with my carefully-
  chosen food, rather bored and lonesome.

I haven't seen much in the way of suggestions posted on this topic (What, a
shortage of opinions?).  Aside from serving by the person, and not the
table (as Ilaigne mentioned) and intermixing physical tables of on-board
and off-board (which I've seen more and more of, and appreciate), what else
could one do?

I've had one idea, but not the courage to implement it.  For the duration of
dinner, be a serf.  Serve the table, bring a small stool and sit on it,
at one end.  Eat your food, and pass the bowls, and move the empty dishes
to the kitchen.  There are several problems with this, however.  One is,
it presumes room on the floor between tables, which there usually isn't.
Two, it presumes the people you sit with will let you serve.  Three, after
a while on a stool, me bum hurts (:-)

C'mon friends!  Help me figure a fun way out of this mess!

	Tibor
From: kellmer@milton.u.washington.edu (Brent Kellmer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Welsh names/Llywelyn
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:16:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr17.201605.19065
Reply-To: kellmer@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Greetings to the Rialto from Alex Trahanos of the everchanging persona:

I tried to post this a day or two ago when it was a trifle more relevant,
but here goes:

Someone asked about names for Welsh personas.  A source or two have been 
suggested (I think it was Arval who did so).  Another source that can be
used is the _Chronicles of the Princes of Wales_, which is sort of an
Anglo-Saxon chronicle type document covering approximately the years    
600 B.C.E. to the mid thirteenth century when Edward I of England defeated 
the Welsh under Llywelyn ap Gryffydd.  I believe that it was started around
the tenth century (?), so the early years are primarily legendary, but it   
goes into quite some detail during the later years (especially when dealing
with Llwelyn Fawr (Llwelyn the Great).  If it isn't at a library near you,
you can probably find it on InterLibrary Loan from the place I last saw it,
in Crosby Library, Gonzaga University, Spokane Washington.  One of the neatest
things about it that I almost forgot to mention, is that it contains both
the medieval welsh and an English translation.  There are _a lot_ of people
mentioned, so it's a pretty broad source of welsh names.  My personal 
favourite (or at least it's English translation) is "Vortigern of the 
Repulsive Lips."                  

As to pronounciation, my understanding of the "ll" sound in welsh is not
so much a "thl" sound as one similar to it made by placing the tongue on
palate (top) of the mouth and breathing out.  It is essentially a voiceless
"l"  Thus, Llwelyn would be pronounced "Hlwelyn."  With everyone else giving
other ideas ("thl,"  "fl", etc), this should probably be taken with a grain
of salt, but it's how I learned it.  There is credibility to the idea that
it could be (or could have been) pronounced "fl" or "thl-" (both of which
are linguistically very similar) in that the name Floyd originally came from
the Welsh name Lloyd.  HOWEVER, these (and very possibly the Shakespearean
version from Henry V) are at least as likely to come from an English  
mispronounciation  of Welsh as to come from Welsh itself.

Just thought I'd put my two ducats in. . .

Alex
Madrone, An Tir
From: kuhn@zariski.harvard.edu (Robert Kuhn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: An Autocrat's Handbook
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:18:57 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

Bowing to popular demand, House Skold has started work on a new (3rd)
edition of "An Autocrat's Handbook."  We are currently negotiating
with publishers.  Projected publication date is spring 1993.  If you
have any comments or suggestions about this important SCA resource,
please write to:

kuhn@math.harvard.edu

Here's the sort of thing we're hoping to find out:
Should there be new sections about something specific?
Should anything be eliminated?
Is there anything in earlier editions inconsistent with state or 
  local law, or SCA practice or custom in your area?
Do you agree or disagree strongly with anything in earlier editions?

We're also hoping to be sent samples of:
any forms or paperwork used in your area
any relevant SCA special interest newsletters
yearly event calendars with event names
current kingdom and principality laws which affect events

Please send any comments by July 4th at the latest.

Thanks so much,

Darcy Campion Devney
(Lady Darcy Campion of Devereaux, CODS, CSC)
Representative, House Skold.


	done by my "hand,"
	Robert Kuhn
	(Lord Sebastien de la Main Gauche, QOC, CODS)
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From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: Two-time Arts Pentathlon Winner
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 13:42:43 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Also, another Rialtan, Lady Thora Sharptooth, took a close second in this
Pentathlan.  Vivat!

Ellisif
From: tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: (-:  A Short History of Gaul :-)
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:13:03 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <702797969.F00003@ocitor.fidonet> Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:
>I began reading your short history of the Gauls (abridged)... my eyebrows started climbing.  When they got to the crown of my head, they stopped and had a victory party.  Then I got to 'Charles-le-Main', 'stud muffin of the Normans', and they put on skis and shushed (spelling?) their way down the back of my neck...  I'm currently attempting to coax them back onto my face by reading to them from  A.T. Olmstead's HISTORY OF THE PERSIAN EMPIRE, but they're giggling too much to pay attention.  
>
>So, if you see an eyebrowless Persian with a fuzzy neck at the next Ansteorran event, it's all your fault!!!
>
>--Vashti, with tongue firmly in cheek, in full leg-yankin' mode...
>
>
> * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)

Ahh, I'm glad that you liked it!  This has yet to make the rounds here
in the Outlands (though, the newsletter with this in it goes out soon
:-) - look for the sequin to follow:

"Stormin' Normans : Weather forcasting in the Early Middle Ages"
Subtitled:  "Gael Warning off the Irish Coast..."

Tongue Still In Cheek... :-P

Torcail

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From: brandon@husc10.harvard.edu (joshua 'yaz' brandon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Magick
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:48:43 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr15.160951.28310@agora.uucp> Moreach writes:
>The great Tycho Brahe, who one runs across in most astronomy beginning texts,
>was a very powerful court astrologer and magician for the Danish court. 
>So much
>so that the king gave him an entire island for an observatory (much to the
>dismay of the islanders, Brahe was a tyrant!) Quite a bit of his life is
>available to historians, and he was born in 1546, and died just OOP in 1601.
>
>He had a silver nose! (I forget how he lost his own, probably ticked somebody
>off...) If one wanted a magician as a persona, they could do a lot worse than
>Tycho for a role model. (Well, except for the temper ;-) His star pupil was 
>Johannes Kepler. Both men would make much better models than some AD&D Merlin
>clones I have seen around...

I'm not sure I would call him a magician.  He certainly cast horoscopes ---
as others have pointed out, most period astronomers did, as a way to make
money and/or seem useful to monarchs.  Many did not believe much in what
astrology, although Kepler may be an exception (he was rather mystical, and
something of a flake...).

As for Tycho's false nose (I thought it was gold, but I might be wrong), he
indeed lost his old one in a duel....  I rather agree that an early
astronomer would make a much more fascinating persona than a pseudo-Celtic
magician.  I know of a few people who do (and study) similar things in
early science and math.  Myself, I've always kind of wanted to have one of
those equation-solving duels.... (Anybody want to hear the history of
Cardano's equation?  :) )

Para servir a ustedes,

	Simon Santiago de Cordoba		Joshua Brandon
	Duncharloch, Carolingia, EK		brandon@husc.harvard.edu
YAZ/mycroft
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 13:54:03 EDT
From: <00030929@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: "Noble Vajk"

Greetings unto the assembled!

I have been receiving mail in which the greeting or the body of the mail uses
the expression "noble Vajk".

For those of you who were not using this forum six or eight months ago, or who
may have missed it, I prefer my peasant status (just ask Yaakov!).

I'm not sure it's a good idea, but could we maybe start a file similar to the
FAQ's, giving information about individuals which may be quirky, but which we
as individuals might want others to know.

I hesitate on this issue, because I don't want it to become a "pet peeves" list
or a list of what we think of each other.  If the list is kept to those things
which an individual wishes to include about him/herself, that is really the
intention here.

Two examples:  Vajk doesn't like to be called "noble".
               Yaakov prefers that the phrase "Judeo-Christian tradition" be
                  not used, and is willing to tell you why.


What say you all?

Vajk

P.S.  Sorry about that last posting, but I couldn't resist.    Inwx (er, I mean
Vajk   ;-)    )
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: light blows
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:37:42 GMT
Organization: The Internet


At the request of Alexander of Kiev, I post the following story
regarding light blows:

(Overheard at some event)

Once there was a fighter in a list who took a shot to the groin.
(Fortunately for him, he was wearing his cup)  He called the blow
light, and went on to win the fight.

Afterwards, whilst changing into his evening clothes, he discovered
that his plastic protector had been reduced to fragments.  He realized
what must have happened and immediately (well, I assume he got dressed
first) went out, found his opponent, and profusely apologized for the
miscall.  

Fujimoto