HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Houston HOV Lanes are open to motorcycles (well, maybe)!!!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:30:57 GMT
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston


Good news!!!!!

Yesterday (Tuesday) I was riding home for lunch when I saw this astonishing  
message on the Electronic HOV Message board on I-10 west near Washington St.

"On Tuesday, Sept 8, Motorcycles allowed on HOV lanes"

I gasped and said to myself, "Way!!! This should be checked out!!"

So, on my way back to work after lunch, I went to the Park&Ride at 290 &  
Pinemont.  I didn't see a sign anywhere allowing motorcycles on the HOV (I did  
notice that there was no longer a sign stating that motorcylces were  
explicitly excluded either!!!).  I stopped and asked the guard but he couldn't  
help me (hmm... where are those damn Metro cops when you need them... They  
must be chasing Mark again... :-) )

We'll, I took a chance and got on the HOV yesterday.  The 290 HOV ends at I-10  
and 610W area and at that Park&Ride there was a sign saying that motorcycles  
were allowed on the HOVs!!!  So it was ok to ride yesterday!!

Well, today, I took IH-45 to work at UH and got caught in serious traffic at  
Sheperd and 45N heading into downtown... Well, there happened to be an HOV  
entrance there... Then I saw a guy on a leadwing (tm) crusing down the HOV  
making FAR better time then I was (traffic was parked on the freeway at the  
moment) so I entered the HOV after waying the pros and cons of lane splitting  
for 10+ miles into downtown.  Then I began to wonder if this was really kosher  
and I began to think of excuses when I get pulled over ("er, We could ride on  
the HOV yesterday, oscifer....") and I was trying to remember the phone number  
to my lawyer :-) because once you get on the HOV, you are stuck on it until  
the end!!!

Well, it was a brisk ride in (8 minutes!!!) and right before downtown there is  
an HOV "enforcement" area.  As I approached the area, I saw the Metro (tm) cop  
standing out in the road eying me suspiciously... He raised his hand (oh  
shit... I am going to get pulled over and a major fine....) and..... 

He waved!!!!!

I nearly dropped my bike right there!!! :-)

So, as far as I know, the HOVs are open to motorcycles.... I am going to call  
metro and try to verify....  Beware, you mileage may vary!!!

--
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"Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: CVF: moderating steve's posts (was Re: finally, a Real Ride....)
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:41:10 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Organization: NOT

steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade) writes:
]Nothing beats riding to a Rally, are you
]and your SO going to Gore OK this weekend.

]To quote out of the BMW Owners News the information about
]your rally.  "Sponsored by the Land of Enchantment BMW Riders (#123).".

]... Not a whimper, however on the way to Giddings on Labor Day it blew a 
]head gasket.

]For those of you who care the rally at Gore OK is (and I quote).
]"13th Anual Indian Nations Rally. Sponsored by the 
...

all those in favor of moderating steve's posts until he figures out where
the ? and , keys are and when to hit them, say _I_.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Woods, What's up with that ? (was Re: thoughts on GS oil)
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:44:08 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <2400@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>]Why are people so down on woods ? What have they done to deserve your bad
>]rap ?
>
>here's my story. I'll only hit the high points. if I told you about
>everything I doubt the message would pass through inews without it
>dropping core...

 Joe's Delima Deleted due to lack of space...
     
     Damn shame. The closest Kawasaki shop to me (American Kawi) has always
treated me fairly with prompt courteous service. Warranty work was always a
rush priority. Hell they even call me Mr. Orr -Oooooooh :-) There are several
other shops locally that are totally opposite though. I guess the moral of the
story is that once you find a good shop stay with em, and back them. Screw the
rest and tell ALL your friends either way.. If my next bike is a Kawasaki I 
know exactly where I'll be buying it from.. 


     "86 Ninja 600R"                               K.O.
  "DOD #306 AMA #615088"                       T.I. Dallas Tx.
    "Eclipse GS Turbo"                      Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: efw5565@zeus.tamu.edu (Evelyn - gorgeous red-headed biker babe...)
Subject: Re: finally, a Real Ride....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: twisties,mountains,ecstasy
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.215109.12588@balrog.dseg.ti.com>, keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes...
>In article <14SEP199212035483@zeus.tamu.edu> efw5565@zeus.tamu.edu (Evelyn - gorgeous red-headed biker babe...) writes:
>>Well, I just have to share this with y'all.  I finally got
>>a taste of what Real Riding is all about.  My SO and I 
>>went to the BMWOA rally in New Mexico this past weekend,
> 
>                            what part?

The rally was at Sipapu, we stayed at Taos, we rode all over
that general area, plus down to Santa Fe for a day.

> 
>>We trailered (is that a word?) both bikes (his K75 and my Rebel) 
>    ^^^^^^^^^
>    CHEATER !

Ahem,... I don't feel like I need to defend myself, but let
me just ask: would *you* want to ride a 250 Rebel over 1600
miles in two days, just for a two-day rally?  Through west
texas in the middle of the day in september?  I would not 
have enjoyed the riding there if I was exhausted already.
Besides, just getting the bikes loaded and unloaded was an 
adventure in itself!

>>Oh, the other bad thing, now I want a bigger bike...
> 
>thats not a bad thing at all!
> 

Okay, not such a bad thing.  Just an expensive thing.

evelyn
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Splatterfest Advice
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:02:53 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]honest opinions of those who are veterans if I should put the quiet pipes
]back on my Harley Sportster for this ride. Believe it or not, I really do
]want to be considerate of other riders' eardrums but if nobody really cares
]I'll leave the drag pipes on. 

most of us will be wearing pillion dampers (slap!) I mean earplugs,
so if you offend anyone it'll be the locals in any of the small towns
along the way. firing it up at 6:00 am at the campground will also 
probably get you some undesired attention. I don't think there's anyone
that will hold it against you if you run your drag pipes although I'm
sure the predominant preference is for quiet. personally? I prefer quiet 
pipes, so in that sense, I care, but that's just my personal opinion, and 
certainly doesn't mean you're not welcome even with drap pipes. Bob Starr
is the only thing I know that won't ride with someone because of what they
believe.

]and while riding around the lakes, it seemed like my bike was the only one
]around with loud pipes 

I WONDERED who that was! I was in my back yard mowing and suddenly couldn't
hear my mower over the rap-rap of some harley, and I'm a good 8 miles from
any lake in the area! :-)

]Around here (north Dallas) in the traffic,
]the pipes give me a substantial placebo effect of security against cars
]abruptly changing lanes on top of me.

you won't have to worry about that on the fest, these are mostly two lane
roads cutting through bovine nutrient replenishment fields. worst case
you'll have to pass some '62 fairlane doing 23mph with 4 bails of hay cramed
in the back seat.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HERE IT IS: Texas SplatterFest V1, #4
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:32:43 GMT
Reply-To: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <13953@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
]In article <2437@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:
]>
]>I saw your OST T-shirt this past Sunday, but missed it at the last Splatt.
]>You don't even ride a Kawasaki!
]>Since the deer got mine I can't wear such a shirt.
]
]Hmmm. Hmmm. Not sure I want to ask... This the same one that tried to bite
]off your ankle?

Yup.  Folded up the front end of my Kaw just as neat as you please.

]>(DoF # pending)
]>
]>-- 
]>Jerry Dunham                                        dunham_jerry@tandem.com
]>                 This opinion intentionally left blank.
]
]Kent (DoF #)
]           ^
]# not pending, I just forgot it. I'd ask the Kotl, but I forgot who he was.
]But then again, knowing the DoF, he probably forgot to give me one even if I
]didn't forget to ask for one. But then that's what DoF is all about, right
]Jerry?   Jerry???    Where'd you go?

I think I'm right here, wherever that is.

Just remember: memory is the second thing to go.  I just wish I could re-
member what the first thing was.

Visualize whirled peas.

(DoF #1.5, I think)

PS Did you get wet Sunday?

-- 
Jerry Dunham                                        dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kent's new club?
Keywords: MSF
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <13935@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
}In article <14814@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
}>
}>In article <13927@swrinde.nde.swri.edu>, kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
}>|> 
}>|> Kent (DoF #)
}>         ^^^
}>
}>OK, I'll ask . . what does the DoF stand for??
}>
}>Mark
}
}What'cha think Jerry, should we let them in on it?
}
}Kent (DoF #)

Why should we?  I don't think any of 'em qualify!


-- 
Jerry Dunham                                        dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Women's motorcycle jacket?
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: steve@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: na
Organization: NOT

kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
]Any suggestions for stores to try?
]
Try lonestar on lamar, they carry Brooks leather products
upstairs.


Steve
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Houston HOV Lanes are open to motorcycles (well, maybe)!!!!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:57:59 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Organization: NOT

ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
]moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
]>p.s. Tonight is the night they decide whether to make me a full member
]>of the Lancers.  
]Uhhhh, what's a Lancer?  Does it have anything to do with Lance Holst?

it's a group of women that gang together and corner unsuspecting men and
rip down their trousers looking for boils.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: thoughts on GS oil
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:30:37 GMT
Reply-To: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <810@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
]captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:

]]I thought the W meant "Weight" of the base oil.  Therefore, 10W40 oil
]]would be a 10 weight oil that had been modified to act like a 40 weight
]]oil at high temperatures.  Is this not right?
]
]I'm not the oil expert, only oil educated. you should ask Ed Hackett, the
]original author of the article, and published chemist. his addr should be
]at the end of the article. after all, who are you more likely to believe?

SAE 30 weight oil is oil that demonstrates a viscosity curve that matches
(within specified tolerances) the curve specified by SAE for 30 weight.
(Clever, huh?)  This curve assumes certain viscosities in centipoises at
different temperatures based upon testing at only (as I recall) two temps.
A 10w-30 oil is a multiviscosity oil, meaning that its high temperature test
point falls on the curve for 30 weight oil, while it's low temperature test
point falls on the curve to 10 weight oil.  Since the low temp is set to 
represent cold starting a vehicle in the winter, the designation is "w"
for winter.  (Even more clever, eh?)  Multiviscosity oils get thicker at
cold temperatures, just like single-viscosity oils, but not as much.

Clear?

Source of information: ex-SAE member (me).

-- 
Jerry Dunham                                        dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: thoughts on GS oil
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:00:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <803@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>]But, Joe, Mobil 1 oil is fine in your beemer, but in the ZX-11, and 
>]all these other bikes which share the same engine/clutch/transmission
>]oil, won't it break down & screw things up after a while?  I've been
>
>you'll notice I said it worked fine in my ZX-11. I used it for well
>over 8000 miles of lots of full throttle bursts, high RPM running, etc.
>
>]told by several people that motorcycles need specially formulated oil
>]to withstand the shearing forces & clutch pad particles, etc. that 
>]aren't present in beemers & cages.  What's the scoop?
>

8000 miles?  And then you sold it, so how will we ever know whether
or not the insides of that zx11 will still be running in 10 years?

I'd like to see more data (motorcycle specific - the oil info you
mailed me was interesting, and informative, but failed to discuss
the special needs of motorcycle oil over that of engine oil.

>The W means the oil passed a set of viscosity measurements taken at 
>low temperature and is suitable for use in the winter.  

I thought the W meant "Weight" of the base oil.  Therefore, 10W40 oil
would be a 10 weight oil that had been modified to act like a 40 weight
oil at high temperatures.  Is this not right?


-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings|
|A little sixty-nine would be just fine,                             -   O    |
|So let's cut all this talk, just climb on my Hawk!                    |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oils
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:17:14 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: tx
Organization: NOT

karp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Matthew Karpinski) writes:
]	From what I understood, the big problem that most bikes have with 
                                                 ^^^^
]synth oil is if the bike has a wet clutch, because the synth oil is *too*
]slippery and the clutch won't grab.  Of course I could just be out in the 
]ozone again.

I've heard of one hell of a lot more bikes running great on synthetic than
failing. the ratio is more like hundreds or thousands to one.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hills, schmills . .. .
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:25:43 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <3639@unisql.UUCP>, ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
|> In article <14689@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
|> >...
|> >p.s. -- Ummmmmm, so Jane . . . what is convex?  Where is convex?
|> >	I haven't seen you post around here before?!  
|> 
|> "Hey, babe, post here often?"
|> 
|> Geez, Mark, you didn't get all interested in UniSQL when I first
|> started posting here.  Why would that be?

Oh, yeah!!  

Hey, Ray dawlin' . . . do you SQL here often??!! 

Mark
From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HERE IT IS: Texas SplatterFest V1, #4
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:18:59 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <2429@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>]Well, I must regret to inform y'all that I probably won't make it this time
>]around... my bike needs a LOT of work right now, among them being a starter
>
>so lyle just volunteered to stay at the campsite all day and watch the
>gear. anyone else want to keep him company? :-)

Bahaha. I think the only correct response here would be "Not!", but I'm annoyed
by the overuse of "Not!", so I won't say it.

Actually, the starter is getting fixed this week, and if I can't afford a new
591 for the back wheel, I may just stick a $50 cheapy on it until I can afford
the Dunlop. (oh, also, see something I'm about to post about dual-compounds)

I'll be more than happy to babysit the campsite provided A: someone volunteers
a nubile young (well, 18ish) sister/friend to stay with me, and B: provides
a reasonable quantity of good beer (Schaeffer Light is NOT good beer, so don't
even suggest it, ya buncha cheapskates).

In all seriousness, maybe. I dunno. I'll have to see. Get back to you soon
with more details. Various other non-commital excuses.


-- 
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/ Lyle J \ lestat@wixer.cactus.org /  Team Doofus  \ DoD / Nobody else WANTS \
\ Mackey /     Social Engineer     \ '89 Kaw EX500 / 587 \  my  opinions...  /
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From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: sidehack wanted
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:23:22 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]  Due to my employer having rules against bringing weapons into work, I
find
]]I constantly have to chose between riding and archery practice (the range
is
]]right next door). A sidecar would solve the problem nicely. Besides, they're

]]fun to drive. Anybody know of a reasonably priced (<$700) sidehack?
]Why don't you just leave the bow & arrows with the security guard?  I used

if the dallas (richardson, whatever) plant is anything like the austin
plant that's simply not practical, the rent-a-cops aren't by the doors,
and getting to the gaurd hole and back to the office was a 15 minute
walk. besides, if I remember right, the no-no list in austin extended
to all TI property including the parking lot. if they're being snotty
about your bringing in the bow at all they might be snotty about that
as well. Austin security never did get over having their guns taken away
from them :-)

I'm not exactly sure how to get back to MC's from here...

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: MMartinez@uh.edu (Mario D. Martinez)
Newsgroups: tx.test
Subject: This is test...
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:19:39 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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This is definately a test....WOW!!

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From: krao@nayan.csc.ti.com (Kashi Rao)
Newsgroups: tx.test
Subject: test
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:09:07 GMT
Distribution: tx.test
Organization: Texas Instruments
Originator: krao@nayan

this is a test
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From: MMartinez@uh.edu (Mario D. Martinez)
Newsgroups: tx.test
Subject: Test
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:32:12 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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Xref: sparky tx.politics:5252 alt.politics.clinton:5510
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: KILL THE RICH!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:46:49 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <LNg5qB1w165w@cnbisis.lerctr.org>, cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird) writes:
> 
> john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
> 
> > In article <1992Sep6.123643.12285@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, curt@ekhadafi.aus
> > |> Taxing the rich won't really get much.  There aren't enough of them.
> > |> Most of the money in this country is in the hands of the middle class.
> > |> Uncle Sam wants YOU.  Not the rich guy.  He is the rich guy.
> > Exactly.  So why is Clinton trying to raise taxes on the rich?  Solely
> > to buy votes from the middle class.  It has nothing to do with the
> > deficit or the economy.
> > 
>    You might want to check terms.  During the last congressional battle 
> over taxation, the statistical definition of "rich" was anyone making in 
> excess of 40K for a family of four.   
>  
> Consider that the "poor" of the US look incredibly rich to the poor of 
> the third world.  I am reminded of a protest in New York where the 
> "poor" protested the size of their government support by parking their 
> cars on the freeways one morning.   In the third world anyone who has 
> a car IS rich. 
> 
> The problem is we have created a system where there is an increasing 
> dis-incentive to producing more or better.  The more productive I am, 
> the greater the fraction of MY reward I am required to hand to a system
> that clearly fails to do it's job. 
> 
> 
>  Thanks,
>  C. Nelson Baird
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> 
> 

Note that according to Clinton, his definition is households making more
than 200K per anum.

Norman (for the anti-intellectuals)

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Newsgroups: tx.politics