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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: El Salvador: peace put on hold
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:27:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Guerrillas in the mist?

El Salvador's Ho Chi Minh and foremost war strategist, "Comandante" Joaquin 
Villalobos recently announced that his guerrillas will not honor the peace 
agreements and turn in their weapons unless 600,0000 acres of land are given to 
his troops.  So, instead of turning Cuban supplied swords into plowshares, Mr. 
Villalobos has threatened with a renewal of a war that nobody wants. Such 
decision comes at no surprise, for who would benefit from peace in El Salvador? 
Certainly not the generals, and certainly not Mr. Villalobos, who is considered 
the best military strategist the guerrillas have ever had.  Where else will he 
explore the science of prolonged guerilla warfare if peace is attained?  

Good old Freddy Cristiani, the president of El Salvador had sought to leave 
guerrillas in the land they occupied during the war, but recently Mr. 
Villalobos has demanded an additional 600,000 acres in exchange for disbanding 
his thugs.  Instead of keeping the lands that they controled in Chalatenango 
and Morazan, Mr. Villalobos wants to recieve rich coffee producing lands in the 
Santa Maria province.  These have never been under the Guerrilla's control.  
Guerrilla leaders want to have control over the core of the economy in order to 
become the new political bosses of El Salvador. In a 9/1/92 New York Times 
interview, one of the leading cadres of the guerrillas (Comandante Ricardo) 
stated this intent candidly:

"What interests us now is economic power; we demand what we won."

Yet another Communist (Antonio Alvarez) went even further:

"Of course we are using this to strengthen our position. We are already a 
power in this country."

As in Nicaragua, Communists do not only want to own private property, they 
also want to control the police force, for yet another condition imposed by 
Villalobos is that the FMLN assume control of the new "civilian police" force. 
Unfortunately, our guerrilla friends forget that, unlike Nicaraguan commies 
they did not win any war, in fact they lost in spite of having the supreme 
strategist of Villalobos on their side.  So, in spite of their defeat, they now 
want to demand what they have no right to.  What else do they request as a 
precondition for peace?  U.S. aid?  So, if Mr. Villalobos doesn't want to "take 
a blank check" of the government's commitment on land reform, he can go back to 
the comfort of his Mexican home and take his peace agreement along with him and 
begin using salvadorean peasants as pawns of his bloody chess match for the 
control of the country's economy.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Who Were the "Contras" ? (VIII)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:14:23 GMT

In article <9209120228.AA09327@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>"Our friends are quite aware of what they do. Arturo Cruz, who has
>been dubbed `the leading Nicaragua democrat' by the US media, concedes
>that his contra associates have committed ``damnable atrocities''...

By a remarkable coincidence, Harel's friends also are aware of what they
do. Harel also knows that HIS friends commit atrocities.

But that's OK since they are, well, his friends.

   Allen
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From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Nicaragua today (was Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (IV))
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:24:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Dean Alaska asks:

>By the way, Helms is holding up the aid because he wants US property
>returned to the old owners.  I heard that Chamorro was pushing such
>a bill.  Have you heard anything about it?  With former contras
>complaining that _they_ haven't yet gotten land promised to them in
>the settlement, this could be a serioud issue.
>--
>                dingo in boulder        (dean@vexcel.com)

I saw Chamorro on TV promising that the properties would be ruturned and 
signing a bill for such return.  However, one thing is the bill, the other is 
ensuring that the well to do squatters (i.e., Sandinistas) leave these 
properties knowing that the police is under their control, and after 
threatening Chamorro with having her killed if she complied with Helms's 
conditions. So it will be very interesting to see how events turn out.

Edelmiro
easalas@ucdavis.
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:23:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.193954.37494@dcc.uchile.cl> psilva@dcc.uchile.cl (No sean SAPOS!!) writes:
>In article <17045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in Peru,
>>Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was arrested
>>in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.  News reports
>>also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA guerillas were also
>>captured.  Any other  news surrounding these delightful events?
>>
>>Edelmiro Salas
>
>FELICIDADES!!! Y SALUDOS A LOS HERMANOS PERUANOS por la captura de
>ese terrorista!!! que tantas muertes causo' en el Peru!. 

 El L.A. Times vino hoy con una foto en primera plana con Gonzalo detras
 de las rejas! 

 Muchas felicidades a nuestros hermanos peruanos y por favor, NO DEJEN
 ESCAPAR A ESE CRIMINAL COMO BATISTA DEJO IRSE A CASTRO!

 HURRAY! para Fujimori!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  
--
Ray I. Ravelo                 "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing.  Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                   from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: singer@rhodes.aero.org
Subject: Re: Alfajores
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA. USA
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:49:39 PST

I think I can get you the recipe for the type of alfajores you like: They are
the Mar Del Plata type. They are both obtainable in Argentina and Uruguay. It
does not matter where they were originated, since at that time, Uruguay and
Argentina were both part of Las Colonias del Rio de la Plata.
If I forget, you can E-mail directly to me.
The dulce de leche you can easily make by cooking in a boiling pot of water
 a can of
condensed milk for about 2 hours. REMEMBER! In boiling water place a un-opened
can of condensed milk, NOT the CAN directly on the stove!

In article <1572@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, mpgf@ukc.ac.uk (M.P.G.Fachin) writes:
> Hi, sorry for not writing in spanish, but you can answer using it
> if you want. 
> 
> As the subject says, I'm looking for a recipe for alfajores. I don't
> know if they are originally from Uruguay or Argentina or any other
> place, but the ones we had some times were from Argentina (maybe
> Mar del Plata (?)). I like them very much, but I was never able to
> find a recipe for it. I particularly like the ones with the white
> coating (powdered/icing sugar (?)). I know there are several brands
> and there was one the I liked more than the other but I don't remember
> which one that was. I think the paper (which wraps it) is silver for
> the white one and gold for the chocolate covered. I tried one recipe
> some time ago that was called alfajores, but they were just ordinary
> cornstarch/cornflour cookies and did not resemble alfajores in any way.
> 
> Sorry, if this is not the appropriate newsgroup, but I think that there
> could be more people related to latin-america (and Argentina) than the 
> others. Besides that, sometime ago someone requested this in one of
> the "food" groups and didn't get any answer. Only the recipe for the
> cookie/cake part would be enough, because I think I can manage the 
> "Dulce de Leche", but if you have good recipes for this I am open for
> it as well.
> 
> Thank you very much for any answer you can give me.
> 
> Maria Paula
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Re: Cuba Halts Nuclear Plant Construction
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:27:19 GMT

In article <92252.110239JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
                  V [PCC's "Chief of Ideology" and UJC's head] L.N.
> These two people have spoken openly about the need for change
>in Cuba. The head of the U.Y.C. even had the *audacity* to say
>so in front of USA tv cameras !! (remember the 2 or 3 day live
>broadcast from La Habana ??).
>
> Actually I'm amazed that Fidel would let them continue in their
>post for so long !!  He must be getting slow in his old age !! :-) :-)
>
>-- Jose L. Martinez --

Me parece Jose, que esto es igual al salsero cubano Carlos Varela. En
una de sus canciones que escuche por aca (Tropicola), critica el hecho
de que los cubanos islen~os no puedan disfrutar de los hoteles y bares
para extranjeros. Pero lo que yo creo en realidad es que Castro lo esta
utilizando para dar una idea tergiversada a los estranjeros de la 
capacidad de critica hacia el gobierno que el pueblo puede tener. Al 
menos, el locutor de la radio aqui en Canada cayo en esa trampa. Y creo
que al igual que Carlos Varela, el presidente de la UJC esta en lo mismo.
El hecho de que haya hecho los comentarios para la television americana
me lo dice todo.

Saludos,

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
| lazaro@odie.cs.mun.ca           ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:21:28 -0400 
From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Peruvian military arrests dozens of suspected rebels
Keywords: international, non-usa government, government, terrorism,
	violent crime, legal
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:43:34 GMT
Location: peru
ACategory: international
Slugword: peru-rebels
Priority: daily
Format: daily
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	LIMA, Peru (UPI) -- Peruvian military troops arrested nearly 50
suspected members of the Shining Path guerrilla movement Tuesday during
a door-to-door search of homes in a poor hillside community above Lima.
	Hundreds of army and national police troops conducted the search that
began at about 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. They were looking for rebels
believed to hide out on the hillside, known as El Pino Ridge and
believed to serve as a lookout point for the Shining Path.
	The suspects were carted off in military trucks to the headquarters
of the anti-terrorism directorate in downtown Lima where human rights
organizations claim military personnel torture some prisoners.
	A radio report said one of the detained men had two military uniforms
and ammunition in his possession.
	The crackdown Tuesday followed a wave of rebel violence over the
weekend. The violence was timed to coincide with the ninth anniversary
of the death of one of Shining Path's early leaders. At least 23 people
were killed in the violence and 76 others were wounded.
	More than 60 people have been killed in fighting between rebels and
the government since President Alberto Fujimori suspended congress and
constitutional guarantees April 5, promising to rid Peru of guerrilla
violence by 1995.
	Two car bombs exploded during the weekend wave of violence. The bombs
destroyed 24 vehicles, a police station, a radio station and two gas
stations.
	The escalating guerrilla attacks also coincided with the sentencing
of three suspected Shining Path members. Peru's first ``faceless judges''
sentenced the three suspects to 12 years in prison on terrorism charges.
	The three will have to serve their sentence in the Canto Grande
Prison, northeast of Lima, a facility taken over in a riot by jailed
rebels earlier this year that was violently put down by the military.
	Faceless judges, magistrates who mete out justice from behind closed
doors and whose identities are tightly guarded, have been in use for
several years in neighboring Colombia in trials of dangerous cocaine
cartel figures.
From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:49:00 GMT

In article <17045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in Peru,
>Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was arrested
>in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.  News reports
>also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA guerillas were also
>captured.  Any other  news surrounding these delightful events?

Some highlights from the Chicago Tribune article on the subject:

Fujimori announced the capture last night on television, and reiterated
promises that Sendero Luminoso would be wiped out by 1995.  He promised that
Guzman would receive the "maximum penalty".  Peru doesn't have the death
penalty, but Fujimori seems to want to reinstate one.  He warned, however,
that the struggle with Sendero was not over.

Abimael Guzman Reynoso, 57, was captured by anti-terrorist police in the 
middle-class Lima suburb of Surco, along with at least seven other Senderista 
leaders, including his second in command, Laura Zambrano Padilla.

Police had been watching the safe house where he was arrested for some time.
Detectives disgused as garbage men had found manuscripts in the trash 
with Guzman's handwriting.  According to the story, Guzman was writing when
police burst in, and he did not resist.  "My turn to lose," he told police.

Guzman is being held at the headquarters of the National Directorate Against
Terrorism, which has been reinforced with extra troops and tanks.

Let's hope they prove sufficient to keep him locked up; and if Guzman gets
in the way of some stray ammunition I for one wouldn't mourn.
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: EL SALVADOR: TRAINING BEGINS FOR NEW NATIONAL POLICE FORCE
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:49:37 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



 EL SALVADOR: TRAINING BEGINS FOR NEW NATIONAL POLICE FORCE


san salvador, aug 31 (ips) -- the new national civilian police
force (pnc), created as a result of el salvador's peace accords,
has begun training a first contingent of 622 men and women who
will be responsible for maintaning public order and ensuring that
civil rights are respected.

the new police force, contemplated in the january 16 peace
accords which put an end to el salvador's bitter 12-year civil
war, will replace the country's former security forces.

roberto campos, deputy director of the pnc, said monday that
the new police officers will be trained by national and foreign
experts, including members of the spanish and chilean police
forces.

he said the first group of trainees includes 123 former
guerrillas of the farabundo marti national liberation front
(fmln), 67 former members of the disbanded security forces, and
432 civilians.

campos said the group also includes some women, but he
explained that only 36 of the 130 women applicants had been
accepted for training.

one of the new policewomen, 23 year-old gladys quijano, a
former medical student at the national university, explained that
many women who passed the physical and academic tests failed to
qualify because of their short stature.

the new police force, which will cost an estimated 42 million
dollars over the next two years, has also attracted numerous
applications from professionals unable to find steady work.

carlos valdez, an engineering student at the national
university, said he had applied to join the pnc because of the
difficult economic situation and the lack of job opportunities.

''i wanted to carry on studying, but i need a job and this
would be a good way of earning a living as well as helping the
country's peace process,'' valdez explained.

initially, the police trainees will recieve 100 dollars a
month, from which food and laundry costs will be deducted.
however, once they have completed the six-month training course,
their monthly salaries will be equivalent to 250 dollars.

according to pnc officials, the new police force has been
swamped with applications and a second group of 2,000 candidates
will be selected for training next month.

the new police force is expected to recruit a total of 8,000
police officers, of whom 20 percent will be former guerrillas and
20 percent former members of the security forces. the rest will
be civilians. (ends/ips/trd/sp or en/bf/sfi/cg/92)
----
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:35:36 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <47351@shamash.cdc.com> rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.195520.26679@spss.com>, markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
>> Solo critico a los que atacan al gobierno cubano y en mismo tiempo
>> desatienden o defienden las dictaduras en otros paises.  Creo que hay tales 
>> en la red;
>
>Quieres acaso decir, Mark, que un cubano que haya sufrido en carne propia 
>abusos y torturas fisicas o mentales por parte del gobierno cubano, que 
>se vea imposibilitado de ver a sus familiares en un pais o en otro, que 
>haya visto la opresion y el terror que reinan en su pais, no tiene derecho 
>a atacar al gobierno cubano si no ataca al mismo tiempo al gobierno de 
>Venezuela, de Peru, de Mexico, etc?  Por que?  Cada uno que presente sus 
>opiniones, sus criticas y sus quejas sobre lo que mas conozca o mas le duela.
>Eso de que para criticar a fulano hay que criticar a mengano tambien quizas 
>este bien para la revista Time o quien pretenda cubrir el mundo entero, pero 
>un individuo tiene derecho a atacar o a criticar a quien, segun el o ella, 
>merezca tal critica sin que haya que exigirle que critique y ataque a todo 
>lo demas que esta mal en el mundo.  No te parece?

Uno tiene siempre el derecho  -frecuentemente uno tiene la obligacion-  de 
criticar a su propio gobierno, o a el de su tierra natal.  Limitandose a
esta tarea, no se necesita criticar males de otra parte-- si uno no va al 
punto de defender o de apoyarlas.

Pero cuando uno critica a otros gobiernos, or compara diferentes gobiernos, 
o pretende decir que cosa deberia ser la politica exterior norteamericana,
creo que uno tiene que mantener la objetividad.  Hay otros paises donde
el pueblo han "sufrido en carne propia abusos y torturas fisicas o mentales."
No es recto deplorar abusos en algun pais extranjero y desatender o defender
los abusos identicos en otros paises.

Entonces admiro a Timerman o a Octavio Paz; desconfio a Garcia Marquez
(al menos como observador de Cuba); detesto a Jesse Helms.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla)
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:56:22 GMT

In article <47351@shamash.cdc.com>, rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.195520.26679@spss.com>, markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
> 
> |> Solo critico a los que atacan al gobierno cubano y en mismo tiempo
> |> desatienden o defienden las dictaduras en otros paises.  Creo que hay tales 
> |> en la red;
> 
> Quieres acaso decir, Mark, que un cubano que haya sufrido en carne propia abusos y
> torturas fisicas o mentales por parte del gobierno cubano, que se vea imposibilitado de
> ver a sus familiares en un pais o en otro, que haya visto la opresion y el terror que
> reinan en su pais, no tiene derecho a atacar al gobierno cubano si no ataca al mismo
> tiempo al gobierno de Venezuela, de Peru, de Mexico......

el salvador, guatemala, brasil, chile, argentina, bolivia, uruguay, (ya 
ves, la lista es larga)

                                  [borrado]

> Eso de que para criticar a fulano hay que criticar a mengano tambien ......

algo que le hace perder a la `resistencia' cubana en el exilio mucho del
apoyo y simpatias de los demas hermanos de la comunidad latinoamericana 
es su insensibilidad hacia todo lo que no sea su problema con castro. a
travez de esta network, la tv y experiencias personales he recibido la
impresion de que ELLOS y SU PROBLEMA son el centro del universo.  su falta
de identificacion con el dolor sufrido por otros pueblos tan o mas 
ensangrentados, golpeados, exterminados, hambreados y oprimidos que el
suyo parece no importarles.  ni fu, ni fa; ..y si hasta llegan defender 
publicamente a los otros dictadores!  no es raro entonces que la historia
los haya dejado tan solos para que se las arreglen con fidel.

es una lastima, el dolor humano ni es uno solo ni esta dirigido solo a un
grupo en especial; la lucha conjunta contra los opresores (de cualquier 
color que ellos sean) deberia ser la premisa numero uno de todo aquel que
se opone al atropello y la injusticia, pero parecer ser que algunos lo han
olvidado.

				[mas borrado aqui]
				

> Lo que hizo desmoronarse a la Union Sovietica fue su derrumbe economico.

y de nuevo a darle el merito a quien no lo tiene!
esta parece ser la enfermedad mas aguda heredada de la casa blanca (i.e.,
primero reagan se lo atribuyo; luego se lo atribuyeron al papa, despues a
bush, al polaco valesa, and on and on....)

porque no admitimos con franqueza que fue miguel gorbachov el unico que
genuinamente puede atribuirse ese merito.  la USSR estaba economicamente
derrumbada hace por lo menos dos decadas ...y que?, no seguia acaso como
si nada?.  no habria habido ninguna economia en caos que habria forzado
un cambio bajo la administracion chruzev, or brezhnev, or ninguna de 
esas `momias recalentadas' de la extrema.  la perestroika es obra de
gorbachev y no de ninguna pression economica ..o exterior.


> 
>    Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com       | 
> 

solo mi contribucion de 2 centavos (plus taxes) :-))


chemazz