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From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: the name?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:25:51 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Dec15.090121.12147@athena.mit.edu>, joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:

> 
> So it's in everyone's interest to try and cooperate with each other.
> ROC must take into account PRC's interest.  PRC must take into account
> ROC's interest.
> 
	Taiwan's interests is to make more international friends and
attend more international events.  Tell me why the fact
Taiwan represents Taiwan herself will hurt PRC's interests?
Will PRC slow down its economy?  Will other countries won't recognize 
PRC?  Or any other reason?

> >Maintaining the use of ROC, cannot guarantee those won't happen either.
> 
> We know more or less, what the PRC's attitude toward ROC is.  Is the
> benefit from ROT great enough to justify creating an unknown
> situation?

	Maybe ten years later PRC's attitude will change.
It will ask Taiwan to unify  with it under the name of PRC. 
Today, we don't change the name simply because PRC said so; in the future,
we still have to follow what PRC say.
	Never should you make a compromise with someone threatening you.
HE/she will ask you for more and more!!!
	

> "Two Chinas" seems
> acceptable to most Taiwanese voters.  Yet you seem to keep insisting
> that "two Chinas" is an impossible option, and that "Taiwan cannot be
> a part of China without becoming part of PRC" even though the
> government which has been elected by Taiwanese voters seems to think
> that it can.
	You interpreted the election results your own way.
	There was no gereral poll showing that Taiwanese wanted to use
use ROC instead of Taiwan.   I was in Taiwan on my vocation last December.
There were a lot of factors affecting the results.

Firstly, the results were not a vote between choosing Taiwan or ROC
at all.  (Some of the DDP candidates wanted to print their TI propaganda
on the election posters, but the idea was rejected.) 
The election was really more local political factors than the name factor.
This was especially true in areas outside Taipei, such as my hometown
ChangHua.

Secondly, the TV media was obviously unfair: KMT members got longer and
better ad time than DDP members, and there were some interviews or some
touching stories about the KMT candidates. Don't question me
about the intelligence of Taiwan's people.  The more you advertise, the
more you get exposure to the public.  Even in the US, it is true.

Thirdly, the financial resources of KMT was/is far exceeding that of DDP.

	If there is a chance to have a general vote in Taiwan about
what's the best name representing Taiwan, I believe Taiwan will beat ROC.
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where did the $1 go?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:19:01 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <15DEC199215155982@zeus.tamu.edu> y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN) writes:
>In article <Dec.15.15.30.55.1992.6359@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes...
>>Again this is NOT a math or phys problem. The purpose of it is only to
>>entertain. I apologize if you heard this before. 
>> 
>>Here we go. Three friends shared one room in a hotel. They paid $30 for 
>>the room when they checked in. When they were leaving, 
>>however, the manager realized that they should only have to pay $25. So the
>>manager asked a waiter to pay them back the $5. But the waiter is greedy,
>>so he gave each person only $1 and he kept the $2. Now, the problem, each
>>person spent $9, the waiter kept $2, therefore the total is 3*9+2=29. It
>>is $1 short. Where did the $1 go?
>
>Funny quetion, each person paid $10 and got $1 back, so the total menoy they 
>paid was 3*9=27. The hotel took $25 and waiter took $2, 25+2=27, The budget was 
>balanced.

You are correct. Let's go into a little more detail to point out why the 
question is invalid. First, we must be sure what we are asking. If it's the
$27 that the three people spent, the answer is above. If it's the $30 that
you want to know where it has gone, then the answer is: the hotel kept $25,
the waiter kept $2 and the three guests kept $3. The total of $29 does not
make any sense, because the $2 the waiter kept was included in the $29 the
guests spent, there is an overlap between these two figures. This sum is
as meaningless as summing $25 (the hotel kept) and $27 ( the guests spent)
to get a total of $52 and then asking how come the $22 more? 

Meng
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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:00:22 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <92Dec15.111131est.123@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <50S=k-B@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>>
>if so why are all the guys from Taiwan arguing among each other?
>are the "yes" side CCP/KMT spies?  ;->  
>
Be aware the word "TAIWANESE" was used by Americans to differentiate the mainland
Chinese and Taiwan Chinese.

However, the TIers use this word as the political difference to indicate their
claim as different group from the others.

If people try to call common Chinese from Taiwan as "TAIWANESE", some people
will feel insulted, thinking of being treated as a TIer. Furthermore, there are
some people think the "Taiwanese" should be a race of aboriginal people.
Most of people on Taiwan are Min-nanese and Hakka. Please use word wisely,
before you get offened.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:27:41 EST
From: <B7D@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: re math problem
 <00965075.F973A5E0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>

I guess a mathematician must be one of the most stubborn people in the
 world and I know now the reason of my being stubborn must be because I have
 a dream of being a mathematician:-). It has been pointed out that argument
 from W. Huang of Montana is incorrect but he once again gave his proving
 that as a = n, y = 1 is a solution, and there are TWO solutions for the
 original equation (see his (5)). If a = n, the original equation is
 equivalent to -n + 1/y + ... + 1/y**n = 0. We do not need a mathematician
 to tell us that only when y = 1 we can have 1/y + ... + 1/y**n = n. Can
 anyone even guess other solution rath than y = 1?
 I must ask someone give me a prize for provincial contest No.1:-:-).

 Have a fun.

 Duane
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Project Hope and DXP (was Re: How many Schools can...)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:17:01 GMT

In article <1g577sINN64r@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
>
>In <19921203.193457.776@almaden.ibm.com>, micky_wong@vnet.ibm.com
>(Micky Wong) writes:
>
>>JAPAN ECONOMIC NEWSWIRE, 12/2/1992" BEIJING -- Chinese patriarch Deng
>>Xiaoping has donated 5,000 Yuan to help build a school in the Baise region of
>>southwest China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, a remote mountain area
>>where he organized a Communist Party revolutionary base 63 years ago, a
>>central radio newscast reported Wednesday. Deng, 88, made his donation in
>>the name of a veteran Communist Party member through the "Hope Project," a
>>charitable organization which provides educational facilities for
>>underprivileged Chinese children, the report said.
>
>     In Tang dynasty, the emperor De2 Zong1 once went out hunting
>and visited the house of a civilian named Zhao4 Guang1 Qi2. The
>emperor asked Zhao whether he was happy. Zhao4, a brave man,
>told the emperor that he was not. The emperor asked Zhao, "This
>is a good year and people have good harvest. How come you are not
>happy?" Zhao replied, "We can't trust the government. We are
>paying much more tax than the law actually asked us to. People
>are going bankrupt due to the heavy tax."  After the
>conversation, the emperor exempted the tax of Zhao4.
>...
>
>The donation of money by DXP to the Project Hope reminded me of
>the above story. The fact that DXP donated money to the project
>indicated that he was well aware of the problem of the educational
>fund in China. Because Deng donated the money to the Project, he
>was likely sincere about helping the education of Chinese youth.
>But, as the leader of China, doesn't he have a better way to
>help the education in China? Here I would like to quote the
>
Mr DXP is also an ordinary person with family life and grand childrens.
It not always so easy for a person to throw 5000 yuans out of his pocket.
His action could also encourage others (officials or ordinary people) to
follow his suits. 
We should respect such action. If DXP can send 5000 yuan, why cannot we
send 100 yuan instead of only making comments on it?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: The best solution to end this line. :-)Re: math problem
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:29:38 GMT

In article <00965075.F973A5E0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
...
>(5) so the final conclusion: if y=1 is also a solusion of original eqution,
>which is equivalent with a=n, then there are TWO positive solusions of original
>eqution;  if a is not equal to n, then there is ONE positive solution of
>original equation.

y=0  ---> (y-100)y=0  ---> y=0 or 100.

Remember the old trick to prove 1=100000000000? 

y=1 ----> 999*(y-1)=(y-1)**2 ---> 999=y-1 ---> y=10000
====> y=1=10000.  It is easy to prove 1= 100000000000. :-) 

Y=1 was introduced when you had timed both sides by (y-1).

An guy at PSU(NOT me) had already given the best solution:
a=1/y**(n-1)+1/y**(n-2)+1/y**(n-3)+...+1/y
which decreases from +1/0 all the way down to +0/1, if y
increases from +0/1 to +1/0. Surely we have one and only
one root for this equation.

This is the simplest solution, so is the best.
From: lug@hemlock.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:33:34 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hemlock.ppc.ubc.ca

Switch to No.2
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 20:53:37 EST
From: <KMING@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test

just a test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pnj@stein.u.washington.edu (JnP)
Subject: News (needed to be confirmed)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:42:30 GMT

	I heard a news from local radio station this morning that
Chinese English test scores in Octobor, either TOEFL or GRE or both,
have been suspended due to cheating. This is second time for
china within 3 years.  Can anybody confirm this news?

Thank you!

-Fred
From: zping@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rubie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: forwarding message for an art student
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:21:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

-----------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Looking for Art students to share their experience
The body:
I am currently selecting my dessertation topic. I am interested 
in a cross-cultural study relating to art/art education in China
and the US. NO money to go back to do a survey. Trying to find
alternatives. Welcome suggestions. Please let me know if you'd
like to be interviewed or contacted.
Thanks!

Respond to: fanyao@geosc.psu.edu
^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
From: alvin@top.cis.syr.edu (Alvin Leung)
Subject: Re: Can we judge CCP based on the bad side only?
Organization: Syracuse University CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 10:33:39 EST

In article <1992Dec9.155028.27591@wuecl.wustl.edu>, esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
|> Can we judge everything based on its bad side?
|> 
|> 

  Yes, we, the people, can because we always get the bad side.  The good side is
for those way up in the chain of command.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: you@cs.montana.edu (Xia You)
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:08:09 GMT

To: xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <9212152200.AA16705@euler.Berkeley.EDU> you write:
>
> i heard this long time ago, after talked this puzzle to my
>officemates during coffe break, their comment was ' uhmmm...
>stooooooopid'; but we got a good laugh at it, so here we gooooo....
>
>let's say, there is an intellegent cow who is facing west,
>and here is an boring fellow counting number from 1 to 100;
>when the cow hears a number it'll turn accordingly:
>if the number is a multiple of 2 then the cow turns 90 degree clockwise;
>if the number is a multiple of 3 then the cow turns 90 dreee counter-
>clockwise;
>if the number is a muliple of both 2 and 3, then the cow turns 180 degree;
>all other numbers, the cow stands still.
>
>the question is: after the fellow finishes counting from 1 to 100,
>which direction is the cow's tail points at?
>
>Xiaohan
>
sure. the cow's tail points at sky.
-- 
ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
You have no choice!  
Ni Biewu Xuanze

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na  
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:28:56 GMT

>>Who posted the original article?  This is the most stupid thread I have ever
>>see in USENET.  It is like asking "IS WHITE AMERICAN BRITISH"? or "IS WHITE
>>CANADIAN BRITISH"?
>>
>>How stupid.  Another bitching thread from the pro-CCPers, I guess...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>if so why are all the guys from Taiwan arguing among each other?
>are the "yes" side CCP/KMT spies?  ;->  
>

That's because a small group of people in Taiwan who are holding most of
the power don't want to be Taiwanese. Since they controled all of the mass
medias, so they could constantly brainwash Taiwanese that they are Chinese.
Of cause, some people buy it, but any body with minimal independent thought
will laugh at it.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: cs169089@cs.brown.edu 
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:25:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.003433.28259@ee.rochester.edu>, yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
|> 
|> We should stop talking about this matter. Personal opinions don't matter.
|> Let the people in Taiwan make their own choice. We don't want force you
|> guys to return to China, if your ancestors mean nothing to you. 
          		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> Meng


	The first part of your posting sounds friendly. But the second part 
	sounds really hostile!
	I don't want to waste time arguing with you. 

	Ming Taiwanese.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:32:49 GMT

In article <17DEC199209453321@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo) writes:
>	want an independence from China Government (CCP).  Go to Singapore, 
>	there are lot of people admitting they are Chinese (Hua2 Zen3) and 
>	prouded to be a citizen of Singapore.

     Some of the older Chinese in Singapore have been living in Singapore for
less than 50 years, they still have relatives in China and they still go back
to China.  The Chinese have been living in Singapore only after it was founded
in 1819.  However, Taiwan has been broken from Mainland twice, once in 1644 when
the Ming Dynasty ended and Ming general (Zheng4 Cheng2 Gong1) defeated the Dutchto occupy Taiwan as a base for his anti-Ching activities.  The second time was
1949 and everyone knows what happened then.

     So Taiwan has already been separated from Mainland China for more than
300 years already.  Most Taiwanese do not have any relations with China, unless
they have parents who came over in 1949.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:30:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.004050.10839@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>This problem I saw in Reader's Digest of China.
>This happened in a show. There are three doors, behind two of them are two
>goats, and behind the remaining door is a car. Of course you want to land
>on the car. Now the host asks you which door you want to have open, let's
>say you choose door No.1. At this time, the host opens one of the other
>two doors, say door No.3 and shows you that it is a goat behind it.
>Question: To enhance your chances of winning the car, should you stick
>to door No.1 or switch to door No.2 or there is no diffrence between
>the two choices? 
>
>This is not as easy as some people think. Thousands of Ph.D's gave the 
>wrong answer.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Meng

You should switch. Because the probability of sticking to door 1 and win is
1/3. And the probability of switching and win is 2/3.

Intuitively, if you stick with door 1, the probablity is not changed no 
matter what the host tells you, it's  1/3.

You can prove it by using conditional probability, the key is that the host
will only have a choice of which door to open if you make the right choice
the first time. If your choice of #1 is not correct, then the host does not
have a choice and can only open the door without the car.
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tragic Outcome of the Fight Between "P&D Fighters" (Re: Nrews 
    ...)
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:35:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Dec13.113506.19623
    <liloqeINNnuo@nada.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

s245@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account) writes:

>If we hear more stories like this, soon there might be only one voice left
>in this newsgroup.
>Should we do something to prevent similar events from happening?
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Several things we can do :
>  Post warning messages regularly.
>  Teach people how to post anonymously.

One thing you should remember: before you become a citizen of this country(USA),
you should not do anything which you intend to make people unhappy here.
And if you do, either you are a spy or work for some agency.
SHOOT ME, IF I TOLD THE TRUTH!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sdcadm@longhorn.corp.sun.com (SDC Administrator)
Subject: [TOYCOTT FLASH] ROBIN WILLIAMS SAID 'NO TOYS FROM CHINA' !!!
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:33:13 GMT

	**** Robin Williams supports boycotting toys from China ****

At the David Letterman show last night, December 15, Robin Williams was 
asked about his daughter Zelda and his new movie "Toys".  One of his quotes 
were (paraphrased):

"You know, you have to be politically correct when you buy toys 
nowadays.  No toys from China and nothing like Ms. PMS dolls etc."


sdcadm

Support Democracy in China
P.O. Box 161588, Cupertino, CA 95016-1588
Hotline: (408)534-1868
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sdcadm@longhorn.corp.sun.com (SDC Administrator)
Subject: "Nothing New" by Linda Pfeifer
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:00:10 GMT

(SF Chronical 12/15/92)
 
"CLINTON NOT EAGER TO REVOKE
FAVORED TRADE STATUS FOR CHINA"
 
Presidential-elect Bill Clinton said yesterday
that he does not think it will be necessary to
revoke most-favored-nation trade status for
China if it continues to make progress on
human rights and other issues.
 
"I don't think we'll have to revoke the MFN
status...if we can achieve continued progress
along these lines." Clinton told his national
economic conference in Little Rock.
 
Clinton said the Chinese had recently agreed
to stop exporting products made by prison labor
to the United States, and to open Chinese markets
to some U.S. products after "the Bush administration
finally agreed to put a little heat on the Chinese."
 
"So I don't want to isolate China for political
and economic reasons, I don't want to dislocate
any industries here."  He told the economic
conference.
 
"But I do think in the aftermath of Tiananmen Square
....that we have an obligation to at least continue
to be consistent about the things in which we believe,"
he said, referring to China's bloody suppression of
student protests in Beijing in June 1989.
 
"We're getting results; I mean, they (the Chinese) are
changing, they like our market,"  Clinton said.
 
Treasury Secretary-designate Lloyd Bentsen said China is
a rapidly expanding market, "but one of the most
protectionist we're run into."
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: fun problem No.2 continued
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:14:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

This problem can be easily generalized.
Say there are m cars and n goats and m+n doors, there is either one car or
one goat behind each door. No door is empty. You choose one door and the host 
will open randomly one of the doors that have a goat behind it. Now, should
you switch to another door or not? In either case, what's the probability of
winning a car? You are allowed to choose only one door, so don't dream of 
winning all the m cars.

Meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@formosa.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Jie Li)
Subject: Hi
Organization: Universitaet Stuttgart, Institut fuer Kunststofftechnologie (IKT), FRG
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:08:14 GMT

Hi, guys,

I read the SCC after one year again. 
But, I am surprised not to see our Scott.
Can anybody tell me where is he?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ext@wam.umd.edu (Eugene Zhu Xia)
Subject: Possible computer virus in friend1.gif
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:21:51 GMT


I made the unfortunate mistake of copying friend1.gif
off the net.  As a result, I received a note in my
directory that reads YOU_BETTER_READ_THIS which
contains a message about one of my files having
been deleted.  I suspect that .gif file contains
a computer virus (as a I remember after the .gif
came on net, there was a disclaimer about the
owner of the account never sent out such a
.gif file).  This should be a warning to any
one who (like myself) are too trusting.  
Of course, I could be wrong.  Let me know 
if anyone else had similar things happen to
them, so I can confirm this.

Sigh, there are sick people out there (perhaps
too many among the so called hackers).

Eugene

P.S. I am not sure if the virus is going to
strike me again.  If anyone knows a way 
to get rid of the virus, let me know.