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From: aqua@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: kippa patterns
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:19:24 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I am interested in obtaining some kippa patterns, and new ideas
for kippa designs.  I am new at all of this, but am very anxious to learn.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Timna Gorber
E-Mail  AQUA@DAL.ac.ca



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From: shmueli@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Avinoam Shmueli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 10 Jan 1993 09:02:46 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu

In article <1993Jan9.203551.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

>Hi Lenore, well sure:  I dislike Canada but for quite different reasons to
>Germany.  Who do I like:  the Thai (excepting a few individuals), the
>Filipinos (excepting a few individuals), the Malays, most East Asians.
>I'm quite fond of the Southern and South-Eastern Europeans too.
>
>Laurence

Do you like East Asians because they are good with numbers?
Would you grant peoples who are not good with numbers the right to a homeland?
Would you consider liking peoples or races who are not good with numbers
but who like hot food?
Do you think we should conduct math and culinary examination in order to
decide whether people have a right to a homeland, or perhaps we should
go straight for skeletal and skull-o-metric study in order to get exact 
analysis of their racial tendencies at a fraction of the cost?

Suppose we split the German people into many small states or let them
live (enlightened us!) under French, Polish, Russian, etc. rule.
After how many generations, (assuming they spice up their pork sausages)
can they be allowed to have their own state to be good with numbers at?

Do you think the Quebecois deserve autonomy, considering how un-hot most
Table d'Hote soups they serve up there are?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:20:30 GMT

In article <Luo3wB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
>> 4. Rabbi Levin has never stated that they are not guilty.  He said that
>>    they are not criminals.  There is a difference.
>-----
>If they are accused of a crime, and they are guilty, then they are
>criminals.  You can't be guilty of a crime without being a
>criminal.  I see no difference.

I think the point was to say that Rabbi Levin wasn't vouching for their
innocence--just their character. This was an important point
because some previous posts might be interpreted to mean Rabbi
Levin was attesting to their innocence, and as far as action by
others is concerned (including the donation of funds) that might
have been a critical decision issue.

It's one thing for a Rabbi one trusts to say that someone is unjustly
accused and deserving of our support, and quite another for him to
say that he doesn't know whether they're guilty or innocent, but they're
nice people.

David
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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:32:16
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: Jennifer S.'s message of 8 Jan 1993 19:07:13 GMT

On 8 Jan 1993 19:07:13 GMT, Jennifer S. said:

> I was born and raised an orthadox Jew, but recently have been attending
> conservative Jewish services and enjoy them much, much more than orthadoxy
> (for many reasons) but one being that conservative Judaism respects women. 

> It's high time that Orthadox Judaism wakes up from the Middle Ages and
> re-vamps some of its sexist customs.  It is an embarrasment to the rest of
> Judaism.

Sigh. Yet another topic covered in the semi-mythical FAQ (when will we ever
get that puppy released?:-)). In any case...

First of all, you must remember that from the point of view of the Orthodox,
their behavior is not sexist. Women have a set of obligations given by G-d;
men have a set of obligations from the same source -- and you don't question
the source. Rather, you are thankful that you have your set of obligations.
Neither set is more or less important -- all are important for the sanctity of
the world. You thank G-d each day that you have been given your obligations. 

The behavior only appears "sexist" when viewed from the egalitarian point of
view implicit in Reform and Conservative Judaism. Reform, and Conservative (to
a lesser extent), go out of their way to make all obligations equal. Whether
this is good or bad is not for me to say -- it all depends on your point of
view.

As for embarassements.... To Orthodoxy, the behavior of Reform and
Conservative are embarassments to the rest of Judaism (namely, them). Even
embarassment is in the eye of the beholder. The only answer is to understand
all the Judaic movements, and try to see things from all points of view before
commenting.

I remain,

Your voice of (Reform) reason in the ocean of s.c.j,

Daniel

[Please remember to send in your entry in the s.c.j survery. Email me for
info. -- Daniel]
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		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:57:45 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars

In article <1993Jan7.133626.2657@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, sgard@cbnewsh.cb.att.com
(sanford.gardner) says:
>
>
>Now for those who are Jewish.....
>
(much deleted . . .)
>Some of the members of Sha-Na-Na (names not listed)

Alan Cooper, one of the original members who appeared at Woodstock, is now
Professor of Bible and Dean of the Graduate School at Hebrew Union College
in Cincinnati, Ohio.

>Jean Simmons & Paul Stanley - KISS
Gene Simmons was born in Haifa. I don't know what his original name was.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:14:32 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
 <1993Jan5.024856.9205@netcom.com>

In article <1993Jan5.024856.9205@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David
Sternlight) says:
>WARNING-there are enough contradictions and strongly unlikely elements
>in this whole story that anyone who has any regard for their money
>should check personally that the facts are accurate before sending
>any money. There is a possibility that this whole thing is a scam.
>
>The Chabad Rabbi who is cited as having first-hand knowledge of this
>has not returned my calls. Knowing Chabad and the standard behavior of
>Chabad Rabbis (I'm a substantial contributor), I find this
>particularly odd, and my efforts to check it out first-hand myself
>have met with failure so far.

I have heard rumors that they were set up by some cults.  It appears the
Feld brothers also act as "deprogrammers" and have created quite a few
enemies with a number of cults.  Two religious people don't just get
"stam" picked up in a supermarket parking lot.  Someone had to have
tipped off the police to be looking for something.

It appears much of the story is not coming out.

>David Sternlight

Hank Nussbacher
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:33:46 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans

Since my last posting I have performed a little research into the topic of
German opposition to the Nazi's during WWII.  It seems that there were
quite a number of top ranking Nazi officers, some very close to Hitler who
did not have knowledge of Hitler's policy regarding the so called "Jewish
problem".  After these officers realized what was going on they decided to
assasinate Hitler.  They attempted four times unsuccessfully to kill Hitler
and take over the government.  Without exception all of the officers were
later caught, tried and executed.  I have also read stories were German people
of Christian faith actually hid Jewish families in their basements or attics.
To the German people I owe an apology.  Not all Germans were Nazis.  AS for the
Arabs, after speaking to some Lebanese and Palistinians who are living here in
the US Ive come to realize that many Arabs oppose the PLO and Hamas but can not
act because of the threat of retaliation against them.  This is similar to the
attitude of those Germans who opposed Hitlers policies but were powerless to do
anything about it.  I have finally come to the conclusion that both Jews and
the Palistinians deserve a homeland.

I pray for all parties involved in dispute in Israel, may a peaceful solution
be found !  May G-d guide us...

------------------------------------------
P. Cohen  pc2370a@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Racial oppression and Fascism (was: Re: Jews For Germans)
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:15:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.033640.25230@wam.umd.edu> mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:
>In article <1iq13iINNpqf@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
[Michael quotes an 80-line posting without comment, just so he can
add:]

> It seems that Political Correctness is alive and well at Mt. Holyoke.
>Been to a few indoctrination seminars lately?

That's weak even by *your* standards.  Shouting "PC" when someone 
says something you don't like isn't very impressive, and it's utterly
pathetic when he points out the obvious errors in what you've written.

Michael, you don't know a damn thing about Germany today, and not a 
whole lot about the US either.  The only thing you know well is 
your kneejerk responses -- stereotype and shouts of "PC."  

And you haven't read new.announce.newusers either, from the looks of
it.

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: A new name for Goyim
Originator: schwartz@maxmaker4
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:59:47 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.230635.3486@nmsu.edu>, chlewis@dante.nmsu.edu (LEWIS) writes:
> 
> Under Halacha, anyone who is born Jewish but converts to Xianity willingly
> is a Christian, NOT a jew anymore, no matter what you say.
> 
> I have a pretty extensive background in Xianity 

...but evidently not much background in halacha.
Anyone born Jewish, stays Jewish.  If he happens to accept
certain Christian beliefs, he remains a Jew, albeit a misguided one.
If he ceases to perform mitzvot, he remains a Jew, though his
behavior could be improved.  You don't believe me?
Consult your local Shulchan Aruch.  :-)

One who, Heaven forfend, accept contra-Torah beliefs, would do teshuva
(repentance).  He would -not- convert "back" to Judaism, since he never
left in the first place.

	--Shimon
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From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Eruv
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:38:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <5258@ceylon.gte.com>, sg04@gte.com 
(Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund) writes...
>Well, for the first time in my life I live in a communitity that has
>has an eruv. 18 or so years after its inception, Boston has an eruv. It
>is reported to be the largest one in the US. It covers almost all of
>Brookline, Brighton, and Newton (rt 9, to the Mass-Pike, from Kenmore
>Square to about route 128). It is a huge area that includes several
>large reservoirs and lakes (I believe they are excluded).
> 
>When instigated, I believe the planners felt that this would stem the
>decline of Jewish Boston. Since then, Boston certainly has declined.
>Maybe this will change things, but I seriously doubt it. Boston has
>some much more severe problems. And I think that putting one's efforts
>into an eruv sort of "skirts the heart of the matter" :-).
> 
> 

I lived in Brookline for 17 years and had 6 children there.  The lack of an
eruv was detrimental to the community but not as much as the "chinuch" issues
and the lack of unity among the various frum communities in the
Brookline/Brighton area.

We moved to Baltimore 2 1/2 years ago mainly because of the chinuch.  The eruv
here was icing on the cake.  We can see what we lacked all those years. The
warm relationships with our friends and our feelings for the Bostoner Rebbe 
kept us in Brookline...my children getting toward high school age required that
we leave.

I'm happy to hear that the eruv is finally a reality...maybe the other steps
that need to be taken will eventually happen also.

Avi 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: New Year
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:12:18 GMT

On 31 Dec 92 19:28:31 GMT, kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) said:

K> Here is the question.  If there are so many people that do not
K> allow themselves to say 'Merry Christmas' (myself included), why
K> are we not equally against saying 'Happy New Year'.?  I
K> understand that there are differences here, but why accept the
K> new year based on the existance of Jesus of Nazarath??

	I don't know about you, but I've been telling everyone that
wishes me a 'Happy New Year' that I already *had* mine...

	It gets me some strange looks, but most people stop and think a
minute.  Hopefully they're re-evaluating their assumptions at the same
time. 

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Regarding the Gregorian clendar as simply a convenience..."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:56:17 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Deportations/ What is HAMAS
 <1993Jan8.234153.8269@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <93009.1559132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <4909@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>

In article <4909@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>,
aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) says:
>
>In article <93009.1559132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
>(Andy) writes:
>>
>>Regardless of what one tinks of the deportees, Israel's act has overnight
>>made Hamas the leading group among Palestinians. Israel has succeeded in
>>wasting the sympathy garnished by the murder of the Israeli soldier and
>>replaced it with sympathy for Hamas. The deportations were politically stupid
>>to say the least.
>
>But the decision was not based on a political action.  It was made
>prior to the events leading up to the death of Toledano.  It was
>then justified and the secret let out of the bag.

Even if that's true, the effect has been to put Hamas into the ascendency
and force the PLO to play catch up, the effect has also been to make Israel
even more unpopular abroad, just as Israel was starting to turn it's image
around. What has been gained and what has been lost? I think if one thinks
soberly, it's clear the deportations have cost Israel dearly.

>
>
>Anisa
>        "For a person who takes a step, in the pursuit
>        of truth and righteousness, all that happens
>        is good."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:18:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.022707.27334@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

>Would you find it acceptable if Mario Cuomo deported you from New York to
>say, Alabama?  

If I was an American and ran around killing Native American Indians
with the ridiculous claim that the Indians were somehow "stealing my
homeland", then deportation to Alabama would be a very lenient
punishment for such inciting to riot and actual murder.   

>Isn't it your 'homeland' after all?  

No, my great-grandparents never saw this land, never lived in it and
never dreamed of it.  Much like so many of the Palestineans never had
ancestors in what is now Israel though they are now claiming
"homeland" status there. 

Unlike the Palestineans, though, I do not run around killing Indians,
nor do I make the ludicrous claim that Indians on Reservations are
"stealing my homeland" nor that their homes on Reservations are "the
greatest obstacle to Peace in North America."

>And the 400+ deportees
>were *not* 'convicted' of "Working to overthrow the local government".

Are you now trying to deny that Hamas has always called for the
destruction of any official Jewish presence in the Middle East?  
If you want to prove the obvious in court, this can be done.   

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Muslim women and Judaism
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:52:37 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Intermarriage is, of course, prohibited for Jews, but in the event it happened
between a Muslim man and a Jewish woman any children would be halachically
Jewish. However, since Muslims believe in patrilineal descent, they would claim
that the children would not be Jewish but Muslim. Curious (and unfortunate) 
dilemma for the kids. I don't think they would be allowed to express any form
of Jewishness in most Muslim societies.

David Maddison
Melbourne, AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pinkas@skywalker.intel.com (Israel Pinkas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:08:55 GMT
	<PINKAS.93Jan5174228@skywalker.intel.com>
	<1iet37INN5l9@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Organization: Software Technologies, INTeL Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:

   The point that I have made in a number of private messages about this
   issue is that one simple statement for this newsgroup and whatever
   other electronic distribution has been involved in this matter will
   save answering dozens of phone calls. It is hard to understand
   why Rabbi Levin would not want to cooperate with such a process.

As I have mentioned before, the matter is not whether Rabbi Levin wishes to
cooperate with s.c.j.  The matter is more broad than that.  A vast majority
of the phone calls are probably not from people on the net.  In addition,
Rabbi Levin may not wish to go on record with any more statements, given
the uproar that his one small comment has caused.

I did find out that Rabbi Levin was out of town all last week (12/27-1/1)
and has not been in in the office full time since.

Just because Rabbi Levin does not wish to return calls to Michigan does not
mean that he is not concerned.  He may just feel that calling everyone up
is something that he cannot do.  From what I have heard, there have been
thousands of calls.

I would also like to remind everyone that Rabbi Levin did not make the
appeal for money, nor is he connected to to the people that made the
appeal.  If your complaint was that you would like more information before
you give money, I would suggest that you contact the people that have
posted the appeals and ask them.  After all, they SHOULD be checking out
these appeals before passing them on to us.  In addition, they have e-mail,
which Rabbi Levin doesn't have.

-Israel

--
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	"Everybody's askaird of death, until it hits you ...
	 then you don't care"		-Archie Bunker
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 05:26:54 GMT

Let's see.

There's Isaac Bashevis and his brother Israel Joshua.

There's the sewing machine guy.

And there must be at least a couple of Singers who post here. :-)

--Mark
From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re:Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:47:28 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:

>I fully expect to get flamed for this, but it seems to me that whether or not
>the Palestinians are or aren't a nation is not a matter for Jews to decide.
>It's their own business.

Not here.  In fact, borrow my Nomex hood.  8-)

>Whether and how their national needs can be satisfied without endangering our
>own national existence is a different matter, but we gain nothing by denying
>the very fact of their existence as a distinct national entity.

(N.B. I quote Rabbi Arian's article above, but I make *no*
claims that I am representing any views but my own from here on.)

I concur.  And regardless of whether or not Palestinian national needs
are compatible with Israeli security, I think that Israel's behavior
towards the Palestinians within its border is not acceptable.

We Jews have seen more than our share of atrocities over the years.
I think any nation that declares itself a haven from such atrocities
has an obligation to behave in a fashion beyond reproach with regards
to disaffected minorities within its borders, whether or not they
qualify for citizenship.

I'd also argue that Israel hasn't ever done so.  This is not to
say that Israel has been on the receiving end of 'right action',
in any sense.  But unless I'm mistaken, 'an eye for an eye'
represents not the standard Biblical punishment for misdeeds,
but the *maximum*.

*I* expect to get flamed for this.  Too bad.

Mitchell L. Silverman              | As Voltaire never said, "I
Student, New College of            | disagree with what you say,
the University of South Florida    | but will defend to the death
Reply-to: mitch@cfraix.cfr.usf.edu | your right to say it."