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From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Oh no, I'm having my Saturn return!
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:41:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
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The current Saturn return reflects back to those born during the 60's. 
We've already seen the return for the Berlin Wall and JFK.  Info on ML King
and Bobby Kennedy is surfacing, the culture shocks are well under way and
those turbulent times (don't forget Kent State, Viet Nam) are being relived
by those born in the 60's.  Folks, this is one way of looking at planetary
cycles and gaining insight into what the future may hold.  

Next is my response to a posting on Astrol-l, for those who may be
interested.

>This is my first post to this list.
>
>I'm quite new to astrology, but have been intrigued with it for some time now.
>I must admit to being a skeptic until I was given ample evidence in my own
>life, the most dramatic instance being my wife's Saturn return 

>Anyone else out there had similar Saturn return experiences? Mine's coming
>fairly soon (I was born 9/14/65 in Salt Lake City, Utah at 1:00 a.m. local
>time).
>
>Just curious,
>
>John M.
Hello John,
In the astrological view, the Saturn return time reflects a time of
maturing rather than the standard age of 21.  It's a time of dealing with
your own authority.  Perhaps throwing off a parents authority and
developing one of your own (which can be damn hard work!).  The return is a
timing mechanism and one can reflect on the journey of Saturn through all
of one's houses.  A lesson was learned in each of those houses.  Take the
journey (note that Saturn stays in a normal 30 degree house for about 2 1/2
yrs) - better yet, take it after you read an rather good article I have,
describing the Saturn return.  It is written by Sky Alexander.  About 3
pages obtained from a Llewellyn calendar a few years back.

If you, or anyone else would like to have a copy, please send me a
self-addressed, stamped, letter size envelope to:  Carolyn Egan
                                                   8 Harbour Terrace
                                                   Cranston, RI 02905

and I'll be happy to send you a copy.

Regards, Carol
From: grizr@ils.unc.edu (Ronda A. Grizzle)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: How to find a good astrologer
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:19:24 GMT
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology


Hi!  I'm fairly new to astrology and would very much like to have my
natal chart cast by a competant astrologer.  The problem is, I don't
really know how to contact one in my area and avoid the profit seekers
with no real training and no particular gift of insight or intuition.
Any tips from anyone?

Thanks in advance!

Ronda Anne Grizzle
grizr@ruby.ils.unc.edu
From: slsdh@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Earthquake and California goes down
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:51:53 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I saw a goofy show named 'sightings' a few weeks back. In it, the authors
of a book about Nostradamus's prophecies claimed to have discovered a method
by wich they can reveal the dates of some quatrains (prophecies). By using
this method, they claim to have revealed that the California mega-quake
will take place on May 8, 1993 at exactly 7:05 pm. 

-Austin
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: How to find a good astrologer
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:13:30 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx52.cis.brown.edu

In article <1993Jan27.192106.6226@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin ) wrote:
> 
> Ronda A. Grizzle writes:
> >Hi!  I'm fairly new to astrology and would very much like to have my
> >natal chart cast by a competant astrologer. 
Tom Chapin said
  In many areas, groups such as AFA (American Federation of
> Astrologers), NCGR (National Council for Geocosmic Research), and
> others have monthly or even weekly meetings open to all for a
> nominal fee of between $3-$5 (Check the topic cause sometimes they
> bring in tarot or handwriting lecturers instead of astrologers).

Well said Tom.  A good computer natal report can also give a newbie insight
into the language of astrology.  I hope something like your posting is in
the FAQ - should be.     Carol Egan
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: tgoyett@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tom Goyett)
Subject: Ansi in Astrolog 2.40
Summary: Ansi codes in Astrolog
Keywords: Astrolog
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 04:41:56 GMT

Hello,

I've just downloaded the newsversion of astrolog and I think that its a
wonderful program.  One of the main enhancements of this program was the
addition of ANSI to the screen displays.  But when i use the -k switch
with the -w switch to see a chart on the screen the planets names or
glyphs do not show up.  Has anyone else had that problem?

Tom Goyett.
--------------------------------------------------

<visualize appropriate disclaimer here>

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: hughes@gloin.cis.udel.edu (John Hughes)
Subject: Re: "The Case for Astrology"
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:56:20 GMT

In article <C1BIJ9.8oJ@cs.mcgill.ca> pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
>
>Has anyone read John Anthony West's "The Case for Astrology" 
>(first published in 1991)? 

Hmm, I thought this book (or at least one with an identical title) came out in
the early eighties. I was in fact impressed with most of it then; I felt he was
rather more eloquent and believable than some others who defend the art with
more of a fervent religiousness.

[...description of CSIOP's unpleasantness...]

This part sounds new. The book you saw must be a new edition. I ought to have
a look at it...


John
hughes@cis.udel.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Help: Sidereal,  long. and lat.
From: CSC9242546G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JUNACKO,Steven)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:47:49 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi-

I've just had a Hindu horoscope done and am wondering what Sidereal
means.  Also,  I'm having some problems working out longitude and latitude.

The birth details on the horoscope are:
	Date: 8th May 1974
	Place: Zagreb,  Yugoslavia 
               45N50,  18E59
	Time: 1:00 pm
     	GMT time: 12:00 (noon)   
   	Sidereal  Vedic    Mean Mode (it says this near a table of symbols)

Everything seems okay except when I look up Zagreb in the atlas the 
coordinates are:
		45N49,  15E59

I was confused because there was a difference so I entered the info into
the program STAR.  

STAR gives coordinates close to what it says in the atlas.
                        
Now I'm very confused as to what is happening.  Did the Hindu astrologer
muck up?  Did I get my $32 worth? If anybody could help I'd greatly 
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Steven Junacko
-csc9242546g@lust.latrobe.edu.au
From: rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: bullshit
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:27:38 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: math9.math.umbc.edu

In article <rigking.1.727363471@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> rigking@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (GAVIN KING) writes:
>I cannot believe that thinking human beings can actually believe this stuff.

Thinking?  Whus' zat?

--
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: vwp@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (mark.a.skala)
Subject: Re: bullshit
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.194035.3298@wam.umd.edu> yohan@wam.umd.edu (Deore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.182825.21314@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> vwp@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (mark.a.skala) writes:
>>
>>Personal experience is not "science".  Also, you seem to be saying that
>>people should believe in something until they find a reason not to.  I
>>think it should be the other way around.  If astrology is valid, it should
>>be very easy to prove.  Use the scientific method; conduct valid, repeatable
>>experiments.  If anyone can show proof they have any paranormal powers,
>>the magician James Randi has had an outstanding many thousand-dollar
>>reward for about 20 years, just waiting for you to come and claim it.
>>
>>Mark A. Skala                            "Anything worth doing is worth
>>vwp@cbnewsk.att.com                       doing to excess."
>
>
>Does everything in life have to be experimentally proven to you so that
>it is valid?  So how come scientists still can't find out how trees take 
>in water from their roots and transport them up hundreds of feet to the 
>leaves?  Sure, they have guesses, but no one still nows how, since there 
>is a gravitational force acting against the water?  But still, the trees
>still get their water, somehow right?  Same thing with astrology.  Sometimes
>you can't explain everything in life, yet it works.  Sure, you say that 
>science is much more rewarding because it gives us valid explinations, but
>who says everything in life can be fully explained?  If science is so 
>beneficial to us, how come we still can't find a cure for the common
>cold?  You should always THINK before you speak.  No one is telling
>you to BELIEVE in astrology, but at least accept the fact that it 
>EXISTS and there are people who study it.  
>
>Each person has a unique way of finding enlightment, so don't put them
>down just because you don't think they are right.  Remember, if
>you Mind, it will matter.  If you DON'T MIND, it won't matter.  Simple
>as that..
>
>
>yohan
>
First of all, I'm not putting anyone down, and I didn't start this thread,
I just responded on the side of the original poster.  You give some
examples of things which scientists (might) have not yet figured out, I
don't know, I'm not an expert in biology.  It is not relevant.  No one
can argue that a huge number of scientific advances have been made since
the beginning of written history.  Also, it doesn't matter whether everything
can be fully explained or not, people will just explain what they can.
I DO always think before I post.  I have never said that astrology does not
exist.  I is true, that, at this time, I do not believe there is any merit
to its conclusions.

Mark A. Skala                            "Anything worth doing is worth
vwp@cbnewsk.att.com                       doing to excess."
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Maggie
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:16:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.103029.1@rsbs0.anu.edu.au> lehnen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au writes:
>
>
>The name Erin Sulivan doesn't ring a bell.  I think the woman also wrote a
>book on Mars.  I'm not getting confused with Tracy Marks, am I?

Perhaps you mean my favourite interpretive astrologer, Donna
Van Toen? She wrote a book on Mars, and one on the Nodes. I don't
know if she plans to publish a book on yods.

Maggie

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:42:56 -0500 
From: "Carey D. Clevenger" <cc79+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: VR theme park

-->VR theme parks in south east asia --- I heard that the US already had -->one
 -->  based on Robotech, big robots, a number linked together on the field, 
 -->  a range of armnament, generally 'neat' ---- don't know where it
-->was based

Somebody tried this a few years ago--they were going to open big
"BattleTech Arenas" in shopping malls, similar to the "Photon Arenas"
that started in the early 80's. I never saw one--whether they really did
have them or not, I am not sure. I just remember hearing that they cost
about $1 mill each and were multi-player interactive.

Carey
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell)
Subject: Re: CP spirituality
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:14:02 GMT

Why would you like to divide the awareness into three parts when
there's only one? The spiritual part of anything is that it's being
experienced. Why divide this into a physical unity (meat), a minds-I
(ever seen it?) and the net? 
--
mikael cardell <cardell@lysator.liu.se>

          S P U N K  P R E S S
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CR Willis)
Subject: Re: Alt.Cyberpunk.FAQ {part 1:2}
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:57:53 GMT

P.s if anyone else is tempted to post a 'DEFINITION' of what's cyberpunk
DON'T you just make yourself look stupid.
From: law40035@nusunix1.nus.sg (ANG CHENG KOON)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: WIRED is on the stands
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:56:12 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


any idea where i can get WIRED in London?

thank you in advance.



Benjamin Ang
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: Is it just me?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:59:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.033608.27457@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (prozac) writes:
>Somewhere in Cyberspace, aj428@cleveland.Freenet.Edu said about 'Is it
>just me?': 
>
>|Yes! Sometimes  I wonder if this news group would exist at all if it
>|wasn't for William Gibson. Enough! I hate icons! Blah, Blah.... 


Are you going to be talking about "the good old days... when muds were
TEXT!" when 3d graphics processing is a reality?  ;)


>damn that Windows...damn that Finder....

damn all symbols, or anything that can't be explained more difficultly
with words...  oh, and btw, icons have been around for a lot longer
than Neuromancer. ;)  I don't think it is Gibson's fault.

JT
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tbredeho@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas A Bredehoft)
Subject: cyberpunk sixties
Summary: connection
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:39:42 GMT

Just finished Norman Spinrad's _Little Heroes_.  I am again struck by just how 
deeply the sixties belong in the world of cyberpunk literature.  In _LH_ we 
have a "Crazy Old Lady of Rock and Roll" as one of the main characters, a rock
singer straight from the sixties, straight from Altamonte.  The electronic drug
which changes this future world is explicitly related to a new and improved
LSD.  The rock music involved is sixties, and there are more or less constant
quotations from "classic rock" songs.

The significance?  It seems sometimes that the cyberpunk credo of sex, drugs,
and rock & roll is often coded as a return to the sixties, in some fashion.
Here it is explicit, in other places (Cadigan's _Synners_) it is more subtle.
Yet such a move (rhetorically at least) is suspect, as it grounds the new
revolution in the old.  I think this is why Spinrad's book ultimately fails.
Although in the end, we still believe Glorianna knows "why they're the pinheads
upstairs," the book hints that she'll take her place upstairs herself, along
with the other characters in the book, who finally find places to fit within
the existing power structure--despite the fact that they've just tried to
deflate "Official Reality."  Spinrad fails to quote the Who, although he
should.  Despite the apparent victory and success of the revolution, the
message of the last few pages seems to be, "Meet the new boss; same as the old
boss."

Thomas A. Bredehoft
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dra2@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Daniel Allen)
Subject: Re: CyberMUCK was Re: Virtual meeting places
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:25:09 GMT

jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.150030.2426@ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: [...]
>>handles... could you imagine what a simulated chat would look like... if 
>>people chose their own makeup (image to hide behine rather than a handle)...
>>This would be interesting indeed :-)

>You thought that was cool??? :)  Check out a mud/muck/mush/muse/etc. sometime.  That's what it is like, but with interaction between others in different rooms, planets, bars, boats, cars, motorcycles, hotels, gangs, corps., etc...

>Anybody here remember the good old days of CyberMUCK??? 

>Damn withdrawl after they took it down (the first AND second time!).

>JT

Well LambdaMOO is still up and running; I've found the object-oriented
creation system to be very entertaining in it's time...  Check out my
Swiss Army Couch, it has a mutable parent-object- which means that it
can become any 'public' object- Presto!  A robot/grandfather-clock/duck
with throwpillows!  I think they've got a real-time monopoly game going;
there used to be a StarTrek simulation/wargame.

LambdaMOO is accessed by telnet at lambda.parc.xerox.com, port 8888.  Now
adays you need to run through a big rumarole to get yr character verified,
but there should be a Guest if you want to just look around.

Hope everyone likes it.

dra2@cornell.edu
(Draco the Neuromantic on LambdaMOO)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
From: jkohler@neptune.uucp (john kohler 09-24-92)
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:23:56 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: CSLA

The book "The Difference Engine" is great!  I just finished reading it.
I would  recinnend recommend it highly.  If Babbage had built his difference
engine someone would have come up with vacuum tubes or transistors very 
quickly because the big clunky thing would take up too much space and
require too much energy to operate.  There would be a lot of necessity for
the mother of invention, and our current level of computer technology would
be many years ahead of what it is now.  But if you want to talk "what if",
what if the Japanese won world war II?  Read "The Man In the High Castle"
by PK DICK if you like alternate history sci fi.

:wq
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: fuck the definitions
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:02:46 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu



Well maybe you should try reading it before you speak.. nowhere does it try
to 'tell you How to be a cyberpunk'. Maybe you need a definiton of FAQ it
Keywords: 

In article <C19DCn.62J@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CR Willis) writes:
>
> A cyberpunk FAQ, A CYBERPUNK FAQ!, are you taking the piss?
> 'How to be a cyberpunk' 'Oh no I listen to genesis that means I'm 
> not cyberpunk I shall kill myself with shame for not being hip
>and cool.' 

>Jesus GET A LIFE!
>Do you think william gibson gets up every morning and says 
>' what can I do this morning that's cyberpunk?'
>
> Don't tell me it's not supposed to be a manual for being a cyber punk
> it's supposed to be a reference for those interested. 
> INTERESTED IN WHAT!
> I love industrial music so why should I be interested in soul to soul
> and PM dawn! What connection is there!
>
>WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY WHATS OF INTEREST OR NOT, TO SAY HERES SOMETHING
>CYBERPUNK, STICK WITH THE TRANSCRIPTS AND DATA, DON'T PUT A WHOLE SHITLOAD
>OF STUFF TOGETHER AND SAY THIS IS A CYBERPUNK FAQ BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS
>WASTE PEOPLES LIVES!


Maybe you should try reading it before you look like an ass.. 
No where in it do I even suggest it is 'How to be a cyberpunk'
It sounds like you don't even know what a FAQ is.. it is literally a 
Frequently Asked Questions list.. It gives people who don't
have any Idea what cp is a chance to catch up a bit.. and my faq in  
particular offers a resource guide to some items that are characteristic of
the genre..for those who want to read a little more than Gibson 1 thru 3.
 
'Who the fuck am I to say whats of interest' you ask.. I'm the one who 
says what _I_ think is of interest. If its not of interest to you then
dont read the damn thing! It is certainly of interest to some people
as I have been putting it out (after ahawks initial work on it) for
some time now and you are the only person to think I am 'taking the
piss' whatever the hell that means.

Homie don't play that!
 
>
>
From: cs291@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan A. Rochkind)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it just me?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:38:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cs291@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan A. Rochkind)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) says:

>In article <1993Jan26.033608.27457@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (prozac) writes:
>>Somewhere in Cyberspace, aj428@cleveland.Freenet.Edu said about 'Is it
>>just me?': 
>>
>>|Yes! Sometimes  I wonder if this news group would exist at all if it
>>|wasn't for William Gibson. Enough! I hate icons! Blah, Blah.... 
>
>
>Are you going to be talking about "the good old days... when muds were
>TEXT!" when 3d graphics processing is a reality?  ;)
>
>
>>damn that Windows...damn that Finder....
>
>damn all symbols, or anything that can't be explained more difficultly
>with words...  oh, and btw, icons have been around for a lot longer
>than Neuromancer. ;)  I don't think it is Gibson's fault.

Umm, I think he was using the term "icon" in it's sense as a religious
symbol, a cult figure type of thing. As in he hates it when William Gibson
is used as an icon for the whole cyberpunk new edge thing. I think. You
seem to be using it in it's meaning as those little graphics on your
computer screen that mean files. I dont' think you are communicating on the
same wavelength.
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jonathan Rochkind, President, Institute of Magnetic Phenomena Research,
Dennys Division.  "Remember, I'm not only the president, I'm also a client."
***This is not a fnord***-------------------------------***omnia obstant***
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (prozac)
Subject: Re: Alt.Cyberpunk.FAQ {part 1:2}
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:30:45 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk said about
'Alt.Cyberpunk.FAQ {part 1:2}': 
|P.s if anyone else is tempted to post a 'DEFINITION' of what's cyberpunk
|DON'T you just make yourself look stupid.

P.s if anyone else thinks they have a brain or opinion 
DON'T you just make yourself look like CR Willis.

P.p.s i don't want to see your willis 
PLEASE keep it to yourself.

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: scatt@entropy.mcds.com (Scatterbrain)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: VR theme park
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:48:13 -0500

****Quoting CR Willis to All****

CW>    VR theme parks in south east asia --- I heard that the US
CW> already had one
CW>    based on Robotech, big robots, a number linked together on the
CW> field,
CW>    a range of armnament, generally 'neat' ---- don't know where
CW> it was based
CW>    ( for those in the UK it was not a version of the game
CW> currently in the
CW>    arcades, Trocadero london, quasar coventry etc, but a much
CW> more powerful
CW>    and wide ranging game played over virtual square miles) ----

hmm. quoting messed up. anyway, I think it[Battletech] is in Chicago,but don't
quote me on that.

CW>           Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, on the brink of the
CW> future
CW> *  and we're brushing up our strategic skills with the dweebs of
CW> *  the world.

Heathers. one of my favorite movies..