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From: alexm@leland.Stanford.EDU (alex matthews)
Subject: Faxing from Amiga with Infotel 9600 
Summary: Anyone managed to do this?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 11:43:04 GMT

About eight months ago I purchased the "Infotel 9600 send/receive fax modem"
from Midwest Micro Periferals.  At the time it was the least expensive
fax capable modem that I could find.  The fax software that was included with
the modem was (naturally) msdos.  The modem sends and receives faxes just
find from a PC I slapped together (for next to nothing) just to run the modem.
 
Has anyone with this modem managed to get it to work with the Amiga?  I tried
a ShareWare program out of Austrailia called AmigaFax -- played with just
about every possible combination of settings -- all to no avail.

Although the modem was advertized as being the name brand "Infotel", there
are no markings on the modem hinting of a manufacturing company.  It just
says "9600 F/X     fax"   across the front.  

Personally, I think the piece of software that came with it is somewhat
lacking, and I HATE msdos.  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: tommyi@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Tommy The King)
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Reply-To: tommyi@minsk.docs.uu.se 
Organization: DVL, Uppsala University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:47:43 GMT

>>...ehh...are all of you just stupid or what? the latest hsts run in 16800
>>baud and v.32bis runs in 14400 baud.. end of discussion...

>So, if I come up with a cool bidirectional XPR implementation tomorrow,
>you'd still claim that HST is faster for those who wants to _both_ upload
>and download? (Ratios usually forces you to do that from time to time :-)

haha!!  come up with that protocoll first!!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: SupraFax v.32bis modems
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:41:59 GMT

tschille@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Thorsten Schiller) publicly declared:
>I run a BBS and the majority of highspeed, local modem users have HST's. Does
>anyone know of any problems that these users might experience if they try a
>highspeed connection with the supra? (obivously, there is little point for
>me to buy the modem if nobody will be able to take advantage of the high
>speed connection ;-) ).

Well, if your users have pure HSTs (not HST dual standards) they won't
be able to connect to the Supra at high speed.  US Robotics's HST
protocol and the CCITT V.32bis protocol (which the Supra implements)
are two different ways of implementing a high-speed data link.  They
don't talk to each other.

Now, if the users have HST dual standard modems, their modems can talk
both HST and V.32bis.  Since the Surpa talks V.32bis they'll be able to
connect.

Why do the HSTs sell for so much more than the Supras?  Brand-name
recognition for one thing.  USR is a more established company.  This is
the same reason IBM sells more expensive PCs than the clone makers.
They're betting the people will trust the name enough to pay extra.
Also, since the HST Dual Standard modems implement two protocols
instead of one, you're paying for more capability.

If you have the choice, I'd say get a V.32bis modem.  It's a public
standard that anyone can implement.  HST is a proprietary standard that
only USR can implement.  It's my personal opinion that HST modems are
on their way out.  If you have a large user base that has only HSTs,
you might want an HST dual standard.  That'll let you talk HST to your
existing base and V.32bis to new users and people who upgrade to the
cheap (Supra, Zoom, etc.) high speed modems.

I've had my SupraFAXmodem for a few months now, and I'm happy with it.
It usually connects okay at high speeds, but it has trouble retraining
to lower speeds on the fly.  If you've got good phone lines this may
not be a problem for you.  I hope they resolve this in the 2.0 ROMs
(which have been due out Real Soon Now ever since I bought the modem.)
There're also supposedly some problems with the FAX capabilities, but
running a BBS that probably won't be a concern for you.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: prall968@Armstrong.EDU
Subject: Re: JRComm Palate
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:53:26 GMT

In article <19300010@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
>Gene,
>
>| always changes back to the default colors instead of the bootup colors
>| How do I get it to stay with the bootup colors?
>
>Each entry carries it's own serial/term/macro/colors.  It picks up the 'system'
>standards when it is first entered.  If you want it to be (or stay different),
>just edit that entry, change what you want, and then SAVE the entire set to 
>JRComm.phones (or whatever).
>
>Make sense?
>
>Jim
 I have saved my 'special' palate to JRComm.whatever... But when simply 
switching from say VT-102 back to IBM Color the default colors are redisplayed
instead of my special palate.. so I would have to 'LOAD DEFAULTS' to re-set my
special palate back up again... Does that make sense?

Upon bootup the term goes into SKYCOM emualtion, with my special palate.
Where I have set the dark blue register to a lighter blue.. When I change
to VT-102 and call my school, then change back to SKYCOM to call my favorite
BBS again the 'light' dark blue I had.. is back to dark blue again...

Can anyone help...

Gene Prall   prall968@pirates.armstrong.edu  |Look ma I is in college!|
-Standard Disclaimer - 90 Day warranty - Parts and Labor not included - Tags,
Taxes, and Titles may cost extra - Batteries not included - Allow 6-8 weeks
for delivery | A1000 Owner and damn proud of it!
Organization: Ege University - Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 2 Sep 1992 10:26:54 TUR
From: Cem Turgay <PROHVK38@TREARN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Question about terminology

Hi, Could I learn the meaning of V32, V42 and bis abbreviations?

Thanks,

Cem Turgay
From: rlosey@sdf.lonestar.org (Richard Losey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Supra's support number
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:01:46 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

In article <KENTD.92Aug24083956@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> Kent.Dalton@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com writes:
>Speaking of Supra, does anyone have their BBS number? 

Certainly; (503) 967-2444.

They have recently added a bunch more lines so it should be easier to get
through to them.  Current release date as far as I know is "end of August".

Hmm... they didn't say which YEAR  :-)

I usually connect to Supra at 12000 with no problems.

RWL
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson)
Subject: Re: A1000's
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:15:02 GMT

pakrat@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Grogan) writes:

> 	Hello, I am a relatively ignorant Amiga prospective buyer.  I am
> considering a used Al000, but have heard only bxd things said.  If I could, I
> was hoping to gain inforuation about this computer's compatibilityPwith HD's,
> software, accellerators, and the like to aid in my decision.L
> 			Thank you in advance.
 
Simple answer...look for a used A500 or A2000 instead.  It's a bit easier to 
expand both of these systems than it is to expand the original Amiga (not 
saying that it can't be done...just that it's tougher to find hardware for 
it, and it's a bit more expensive than comparable A500/A200 hardware.)
 
In fact, even if the price of the 1000 is a steal ($US250 or less), save up 
another $100 or so, and pick up one of the other machines, especially if 
you'll be interested in ANY expansion of hardware (and you will, believe 
me!)

Good Luck to ya!!

Ken Thompson - cobra@coyote.datalog.com  - GEnie: K.THOMPSON23  
Alternate address: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us
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From: andsk@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Andrea Rafreider 307318/il)
Subject: Term 2.3
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:19:59 GMT

I forgot to say in my last artice that Term 2.3 doesn't crash when
clicking on the screen if AN EXTERNAL EMULATION LIBRARY is selected.

So it seems that te problem as something to do with the internal
terminal emulation.

Be

      Andrea Rafreider.

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From: "Erik S. Kolar" <ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: X-terminal program for Amiga?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:21:08 -0500

Is there a program that provides X-windows terminal emulation for the Amiga?  I
don't have Unix, just AmigaDOS.  I would like to call up one of the school's 
Sparc stations and use the X enviroment.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Urgent Request...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:53:50 GMT

Needed ASAP: the anonymous FTP address or name of a commercial program that will
support a non-modem direct link connection to a 9600 baud 'datalink box', a 
thingie sorta like a stripped-down modem. This if for a direct 9600 baud link to
a UNIX dataline.. I'm sick of calling in at 2400 baud.

This program SHOOULD support Kermit, which is what RPI staff push, and must be
able to make a connection WITHOUT using any AT commands, as the box doesn't support them. JRComm, wonderful in so many ways, has been useless to me. 

Hell, i'm so desperate, I'll even take a long-distance (in-USA, pleeze) BBS num-
ber, but only if I can get access fairly quickly without spending big $$$ in 
phone charges. 

Thanx a million, all who reply.

I am...
  -Frank Dana... known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuser/Doc Ami!

(Sorry... I just moved into college, I promise I'll write a better tag line over the 3-day wekend!!!)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 15:18:08 EDT
From: <IO10836@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Kermit

  I've successfully used kermit to download a file from an FTP site to my
campus's mainframe and finally to my amiga.  I used the shareware program
HandshakeV2.0c, which I got from a BBS here in Maine.  I'd say it's available
at an FTP site, but alsa this obviously won't help you.

See if you can get a copy from a local user-group, BBS, or Genie or Compuserve.

Anyways, HandshakeV2.0c seems to handle Kermit as well as could be expected.
I am not slighting Handshake, but I am slighting Kermit as it too 1.5 hours to
transfer a 200K program using a 2400 baud modem!!!!!!!  This is really not
acceptable, but if you have to here are the necessary steps that worked for me.

FYI, HandshakeV2.0c supports Kermit 7-bit, Kermit 8-bit, and Kermit text.
If you're downloading a text file just choose Kermit text and you're all set (
Handshake will change to 7 or 8 bit using Kermit text, so don't worry about the
bit).  Now, here's the rub:  downloading a program from an FTP site.  First
you must type 'TYPE I' at the FTP site. Next, get the file to your mainframe.
Then type Kermit.  Now, when you're in kermit you must also set the file type
to binary (that's what TYPE I does at an FTP site) by typing 'SET TYPE BINARY'.
Then type 'SEND OLDFILENAME.Blah.DISK'.  Now Kermit will tell you to start
your kermit download.  I have to use 7-bit Kermit, even though I'm
communicating with the mainframe at 8-bit, no parity, 1.  Go figure.

Well, I hope this helps you if you ever get HandshakeV2.0c.  I don't know of
anything else that is as easy to use (and besides figuring out how you're
mainframe is configured it is very simple.  Good luck.

Eric Black

Amiga Made It Possible.
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Re: C-NET
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 23:02:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>In a message dated Wed  2 Sep 92  3:27, paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
>wrote:
>
> PK>   What do you think us PD programmers release source code FOR, if not
> PK> for other people to make use of it?
>
>Thats fine and dandy as long as YOU don't mind having something YOU worked
>hard on and gave out FREELY to be SOLD by someone else and not receive even
>a stupid THANK YOU in the docs.
>
>Most authors of PD example code released it expecting it to be used perhaps
>in personal or otherwise PD programs. Or to be used as a guide on how to do
>a certain thing. Most require that the person who wishes to use it as part
>of a commercial package contact the author of the code for permission and
>even THEN they ask for credit where it is due. Ken has done neither of
>those things and, quite personally, if I had the talent to write a bit of
>code others would like to use and released it to the PD only to have Ken
>cut and paste it into his commercial software, I'd be quite P.O.ed about
>it.
>
>
> -- AEd V1.37/Eval
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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: X-terminal program for Amiga?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:12:43 GMT
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 03:21:08 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 03:21:08 GMT, ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Erik S. Kolar) said:

Erik> Is there a program that provides X-windows terminal emulation for
Erik> the Amiga?  I don't have Unix, just AmigaDOS.  I would like to
Erik> call up one of the school's Sparc stations and use the X
Erik> enviroment.

Yes, GfxBase makes one for AmigaDOS BUT you don't want to use it over 
a serial connection. Even using V.32bis modems, normal phone
connnections just don't provide sufficient bandwidth to run X
acceptably. 

You are far better off going with something that has lower overhead
(like dnet for example) if you want multi-session serial communications.
Even dnet is too slow for me, personally. I'd rather just rough it with
job control or use emacs as a windowing system :^)


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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Re: C-NET
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 20:02:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>>PD code is still Copywritten.  Copywritten code is protected for the basic
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Ever hear of copywrites to PD music?  No?
That's because the two do not exist together.  It must be one or the other.

>>principle of someone else cannot sell it.  People that produce PD code are a
>>good asset to the Amiga community, they share there knowledge openly with
>>others, this code is STILL copywritten, this is the what copyright office say
s

Buzz.  You lose.  Public Domain mean just that, in the public's domain.  No
one has right to it any longer - even the coder.  The right's have been
given to the public.  "Do with it as you like." Period.  Even sell it -- if
people are dumb enough to pay for it.  That's their fault.  Just like ash
from Mt.  Saint Helens.

True, PD writers are a GREAT asset, but even they will tell you that PD
means "all rights relinquished."  

"Freely distributable" material that is copy righted is what you are
refering to.  They still retain rights, but distribute freely.  (Hmm, those
phrases sure do describe what they mean, don't they.)  This is the best way
to widely distribute but keep posession.

Please, don't read this as being hostile to developers (heck, I do some
myself), just a clarification of some over zealous thinking.  Maybe Public
Domain/Shareware/Freely Dist./Copyright info should go into a FAQ file
somewhere.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: lauwilli@nmsu.edu (WILLIAMS)
Subject: help DLG-Pro and SupraFaxModem
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:40:12 GMT

I am haveing problems with DLG-Pro and my Supra Fax modem V32.bis.The
maximum baud rat of the modem is 19200 but it only connects at 2400.
If anyone could help with the modem configuration I would appreciate
your help

E-Mail lauwilli@OPUS.NMSU.Edu
From: hac@po.CWRU.Edu (H. Anthony Chung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: protocols, speeds, what are V42bis, etc..
Date: 3 Sep 1992 02:56:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: hac@po.CWRU.Edu (H. Anthony Chung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jeannet@stheno.enst.fr (Olivier Jeannet) says:

>I would like to be absolutely sure about the standards named Vxx[bis].
>Can someone explain me what are
>
>V32, V32bis, V42, V42bis, MNP4, MNP5.
>Does a "bis" indicate the use of MNPx protocol ? How do these standards
>interact ?

V32 is 9600 raw BPS.  v32bis is 14.4 kBPS raw throughput.
V42 is error detection and correction.  V42bis is 4:1 data compression,
so you can theoretically get 57.6 KBPS if you have v32bis and v42bis.
MNP4 is error detection and correction.  MNP5 is data compression.
Generally I think that the V protocols are better to have than the
MNP ones.

>This must be a FAQ, but I'm getting confused reading some ads talking about
>2400 bps AND V42bis (which, I thought, was 14400 bps). Thanx for precise
>answers.

2400 bps and v42bis will theoretically give you 9600 bps (4*2400).
But that is only for stuff that is easily compressed like text.
Otherwise, your rates will be x where 2400 <= x <= 9600.
>
>Olivier.
>
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From: dwdyer@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The cause for Term problems? (was Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:13:52 GMT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)

Well, I've tried just about everything.  All I've come up with is a sure-fire
way to make Term 2.3 crash (8000 0003) -- when the screen opens, do a quick
double-click with the left mouse button after the "About" screen disappears.
 
Boom!

I think I'll wait for something else...

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      is a lack of integrity."  -Nietzsche, _Twilight of the Idols_
From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: BaudBandit 1.40
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:01:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Does anyone have a copy of BaudBandit 1.40?  I've been looking for it, and
can't find it.  Could someone please mail me either a copy of the program,
or a site I could get it from?

	-Thanks,
	Steve


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: ewong@ucs.ubc.ca (Eldon Wong)
Subject: Re: Kermit
Keywords: comms,kermit,amiga
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:37:28 GMT

A lot of packages (commercial and shareware) support the Kermit protocol.
I know VLT does as well as Handshake (still around?).   If you still wish to
obtain kermit, I think it is available through the usual ftp sites (wuarchive).

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From: hribnak@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Jim Hribnak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:28:59 GMT
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

Since I am a CNet owner..  and have been since later 1984..  I know Ken doesnt
have an InterNet account (at least to my knownledge he doesnt)  Anyways  Why
the harrassment against Cnet?  It shouldnt be upto ANYONE to accuse Ken of
ripping code and installing it on his BBS..  He has many features I have YET to
see on anyother BBS system..  so where did he get the code for that,..  I guess
he had to write it himself!!!!  Also if he has ripped code.. then its up to the
individuals who he has ripped from (if any) to take action.. if they are not
going to take action they wby b!tch and complain about it!!  

Just like when all Skyline users complained that CNet had Skypix capabilites
(useless as it is). Obviously Mike (Skyline Programmer) didnt see fit to do
anything, because SKYPIX is based on ANSI, and anyone can implement it.. Can
copy right something that isnt his in the 1st place..  anyways thats another
story!!  Why waste band width with this drivel!   Why not call 313-981-6150
(Ken's BBs) and leave him mail there..  I am glad I am not paying to read this
crap..  But remember there are people who do!!