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From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Storybook
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:00:47 GMT

In article <31AUG199216102417@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Melissa Mcguire) writes:
>This may seem out of thin air, but I have always wondered about.  In the 
>hardcover (and eventually softcover, I would imagine) SW storybook (you 
>know, the ones with the page of 1inch by 1 inch pictures of the characters) 
>I noticed something strange in a picture with C3PO.  It is the one where 
>Luke is with Ben at his house and holding a lightsabre.  3PO has shut down 
>to relax or something.  In the picture of the book, it looks like they 
>forgot to put the "droid" glove back onto his hand, and there as he sits it 
>a 3PO with a human hand.  
>
>Please let me know if any of you ever noticed this.  I'm going from memory 
>here from quite sometime ago, but it stood out enough for me to be curious 
>about it.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Melissa McGuire
>mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

	Yes, you are correct.  You can see his "human" hand.  They caught this
mistake in the movie however.  When 3P0 "shuts down" watch a letterboxed 
version of Star Wars to see the rough cut when Luke lights his saber.  The
frame of film jumps slightly upward and crops out the droids hand.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's breathing
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:52:20 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Volcano
Originator: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu


From what I understand, Darth Vader had a big battle with Mr. Kenobi and
they fought for a long time with Kenobi beating Mr Vader and leaving him for`
dead. But of course our dear friend Darth wasn't dead but he wasn't in very
good shape. The only reason he lived was because he got all the respirators
and stuff hooked up to him. Maybe he drew on the force in the meantime 
(before he got hooked up).  Its amazing what a light sabre will do to your
trachea and your lung.

Jeff Kabbe
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Any more BayCons?
Summary: The Rumor Mill hits.  You lose -3 credibility.
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:59:29 GMT

I heard an awful rumor this weekend, but it was from A Usually Reliable
Source, so I can't just brush it off.

The rumor was that there are not likely to be any more BayCons, because
tax forms for the last three or four BayCons have not been done.  In
fact, the IRS told them not to have the last one, and they're in deep
kim-chee for going ahead with it anyway.

I certainly hope this is not true -- anyone know for sure?

-- 
Mike Van Pelt          | What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth?
LSI Logic/Headland     | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com      | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
sun!indetech!hsv3!mvp  | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
From: kohli (Mr. Bad Judgment)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: i would like info re: walk-ins at magicon
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: kohli@aslmr.med.ge.com (Mr. Bad Judgment)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Organization: Cheesemasters 2000, Inc

hi all,

the subject line says it all.  i'll be in orlando
during magicon and would like info regarding walk-in
admission and any other pertinent details.

thanks x 1.0E6,

jim k.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: ReinConation Oops
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 11:47:54 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

What in tarnation is ReinConation?

(Heh.  It rhymes.  ;-)
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

So much Astroglide.  So little time.
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:28:42 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <17tbksINNnbi@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
(Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR)) writes:
>This past year we went out and found that getting cans from the local
>XXXXXX (shameless plug deleted) warehouse was pretty simple.
>
>Hauling it to the con was no problem (It was only a couple miles). 

Agreed, it isn't that much of a problem, but why deal with it if you don't have
to?

>As was said before, if you can make it work, send me a quote and I will
>get it to the proper people (email is faster than US mail...and cheaper for
>most people).

Without a doubt.  Do you have a list of Con Email addresses?  I know a person
in the Chicago area was considering making a list, but I don't know how well it
went.  (Any comments Benji?)  I do know that a number of people who read
alt.fandom were interested in having copies...

>As far as "making money off fandom" goes, Im all for it.  I dont really see
>it as sponging money off people who already are mostly broke but free
>enterprise. If it works and saves someone money, great.  If it doesnt save
>money, then most concoms wont eat the cost to use your service.  Most, well,
>at least our convention, wont pass the "savings" on to the attendees.

True...  It is all a free enterprise, and that is why I'm going to be taking a
cut for myself to cover the time spent.  I just don't expect to be making a
living at it...  (I'm being realistic.  After I get this off the ground, I may
also branch into huxtering, but that's neither here nor there...)

>Truthfully, I dont think it will work.  But that is neither here nor there,
>if you feel it works, then dont let ANYONE sway you away from your goals. 

Thank you.  I don't intend to be swayed from the goal, but I am asking for some
guidelines from the general net-concom-populace.  IE: How much are people
paying per case now anyways?  Are you willing to switch cola brands?  What
would you *EXPECT* from a service like this?  Are there Cons out there that
would *REQUIRE* delivery of the product OUTSIDE of buisness hours?  Any
criticisms, comments, suggestions, death threats, etc?

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: betsy@access.digex.com (Betsy Marks)
Subject: Magicon Membership <<<WANTED!!!>>>
Summary: Eleventh hour begging
Keywords: Wanted Magicon Membership
Organization: Express Access, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:35:49 GMT

I just got a message from someone in this newsgroup who has 2 Magicon 
Memberships for sale.  I already have mine, have had it since Boston.  Some 
people don't plan as far ahead as I do.  My friend Deborah is already on
her way down to Orlando, sans membership.  She has given me $80 to purchase
a membership for her before I go down (Thursday).

If you have a membership for sale, please contact me ASAP to make arrangements
for an exchange of money for membership.  I live in the DC area, and am willing
to drive within DC, MD or Northern VA to pick it up - Express Mail is the other
option.  PLEASE HELP!

Thanks, and sorry for the wasted bandwith to those who don't care.

-Araminta (Goddess of Phonelists)

     <betsy@access.digex.com   h) 202/244-2958   w) 202/554-9066 x262>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Timecon '91
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:52:33 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <5699@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.081230.111730@zeus.calpoly.edu>  
>kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:
>> Additional con rules that go into effect starting July 24, 1991
>> for the Time-Con Convention:
>
>Later in the post Kevin says this, had the following paragraph,
>which I move up front just to make commenting on the rules
>a bit easier:
>
>> As you can see, the majority of these rules fall under the simple
>> category of "safe and sane common sense".  However, items 1, 2, 3,
>> 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 12 could be construed in ways that limit  
>"normal"
>> con activity.  Moreover, the tone of the letter is rather offensive
>> and insulting, made worse by the numerous syntactical and semantic
>> errors in it.

I don't really have time to do your post justice, but I have to wonder
why you made your point-by-point rebuttal.  The point to be made here is
that the Red Lion's rules were worse than the sum of the individual
parts.

>Given that you mentioned that they were reacting to people screwing
>in the hallways, I don't know why you were surprised. Granted it's
>an overreaction, but most people (hotels included) have a bad
>habit of overreacting to try to fix problems.  

As the original post said (and you are omitting), neither I nor anyone
else I talked to had heard about any screwing at Baycon.  I have no
reason to doubt the truth of what the manager told me; nevertheless, I
*am* surprised that no one seems to have heard about it before these
infamous rules were distributed at Timecon.

>What the concom needs to do in a case like this is review a letter
>like this with the hotel before the hotel gives it out (if they
>can).  Then they can ask questions like "Why rule 6?"  and respond
>with things like  "We can see what you're getting at, but people
>will react poorly to the phrasing. How about _______."  

I keep hearing conflicting reports on this one.  My personal opinion is
that the hotel liaison was asleep on the job.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

So much Astroglide.  So little time.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: lamont@cup.hp.com (LaMont Jones)
Subject: Re: Timecon '91
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:05:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1lj PL5

Aahzmandius (aahz@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <5699@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
: >In article <1992Aug19.081230.111730@zeus.calpoly.edu>  
: >kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:

: >Given that you mentioned that they were reacting to people screwing
: >in the hallways, I don't know why you were surprised. Granted it's
: >an overreaction, but most people (hotels included) have a bad
: >habit of overreacting to try to fix problems.  
: 
: As the original post said (and you are omitting), neither I nor anyone
: else I talked to had heard about any screwing at Baycon.  I have no
: reason to doubt the truth of what the manager told me; nevertheless, I
: *am* surprised that no one seems to have heard about it before these
: infamous rules were distributed at Timecon.

There are generally stories circulating from reliable sources of incidents
of this nature at nearly every convention I have been to.  Some people have
urges, and don't have money for a room... The incidents usually don't get
publcized, probably for fear of giving people ideas?

: >What the concom needs to do in a case like this is review a letter
: >like this with the hotel before the hotel gives it out (if they
: >can).  Then they can ask questions like "Why rule 6?"  and respond
: >with things like  "We can see what you're getting at, but people
: >will react poorly to the phrasing. How about _______."  
: I keep hearing conflicting reports on this one.  My personal opinion is
: that the hotel liaison was asleep on the job.

The rules were a rough draft that should never have been distributed.  I
don't remember if this was an official statement of the hotel, but several
members of the senior management either expressed or agreed with it.  
The good side was that they got through to the crowd that needed them. 
The bad side is they pissed off the rest of us.  I'll pass on critiquing
the concom's handling of the situation.  I was just there throwing a
reasonably well behaved room party for Silicon 91.  You probably wouldn't
be surprised to learn that the nearly constant topic of discussion was
a certain set of rules...

lamont
From: rfm@urth.eng.sun.com (Richard McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: The [San Francisco] Peninsula Science Fantasy Association
Followup-To: poster
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:54:22
Organization: /home/cici/rfm/.organization
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: urth
Summary: A biweekly fannish get-together

PenSFA is a very informal group of fans who get together every two
weeks, generally somewhere between San Francisco and San Jose, to
eat, drink, and talk.  Sometimes we even talk about SF or fandom.
For more information, e-mail me (rfm@eng.sun.com.)
--
Rich McAllister (rfm@eng.sun.com)
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Convention Supplies
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:10:12 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Hello.  I'm in the process of setting up a company that would sell Cola and
stuff to SF Conventions within the U.S. in bulk, delivered to the convention. 
This should be able to save the individual conventions money, since I'll be
able to get a bulk rate price based on all SF Conventions in the U.S.

I am already in negotiations with both Pepsi-Cola and Coca-Cola, so I don't
mind if work leaks out to the general populace that I am going to be doing
this, since I'll already have the edge on anyone who wants to try to cut in on
this buisness...  :)  (Well, I admit, I'l be making a little money as well... 
Dealing with 70 conventions in the U.S. will take a lot of time...  :) )

What I'm wondering is what kind of prices I'm going to have to be able to
charge, if I'm going to be beating the prices that conventions are already
paying.  (IE:  Do you go to the locla grocey store and pay $7 a case, and then
have to rent a truck to get it to the convention?)

Also, I'm wondering what kind of "munchies" fandom is interested in...  (IE:
Potato Chips, Goldfish, Chocolate, etc...)

Any comments, suggestions, etc., is greatly appreciated!  With a little luck,
we all should be able to save some money on this deal!

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Conventions from hell.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:22:12 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Aug22.185710.195212@zeus.calpoly.edu> kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:
>
>>Not directly tied to that incident.  This years convention (renamed
>>ConFused, for varied and confusing reasons, thus the name change. 
>>Confused?) was the last convention to put on by Conventions of Time, Ltd.
>>So unless someone with deep pockets wants to run it, TimeCon/ConFused
>>is a dead convention, it has gone to meet it maker, it is deceased.
>
>the story I've heard (quite very reliable: registration head) was that
>TimeCon was a "trademarked" name.  The name needs to be re-registered every
>couple of years (10?) and it expired sometime last year.  The person who
>used to hold the trademark didn't re-register it, so someone else jumped in
>and claimed it.  They wanted Conventions of Time to pay 10,000 some odd
>dollars JUST so the con could be called "TimeCon"  Somewhere else along the
>line, he gave up, and re-offered full rights for a (gosh darn) whole dollar.
>or was it someone that bought the TM from him?  
>
>I forget already, but that's reasonably close to the story...

Not really.  Got the events right, but not the sequence:

The same person has held rights to "TimeCon" for several years, but this
year wanted $10k to allow the con to use the name.  The concom refused,
obviously, and selected the name "ConFused" instead (with a stop at
"ConFusion" along the way).  About two months before the con, Dave
Medinnus (sp?) was doing a name search for his new bookstore (geez, my
memory's really fading, can't remember the name of that, either), and
decided to look up "TimeCon".  He discovered that it had expired,
snapped up the rights, and offered it to the concom for $10 (or maybe it
was even $1 ;-).

By that point, though, too much literature had been printed with
"ConFused", so that name was kept.  Now, of course, the convention (by
whatever name) is *dead*.  End of story.

-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

So much Astroglide.  So little time.
From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: ReinConation Oops
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 23:00:58 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/UseNet - +1 415 968 8140

aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:

> What in tarnation is ReinConation?

It's the Minneapolis area relax-a-con the weekend after WorldCon. Lots of
fun, lots of good people, lots of good conversations, lots of good parties.

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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Next Shuttle launch (was Re: MagiCon Weather Report)
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:44:50 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


re: Zero Gee Human Reproductive Experiment

Not on this flight.  The prudes at NASA have put them on opposite
shifts.  This I think is in retaliation for them having gotten hitched
after the crew announcement had been made.

Besides, according to rumor, it's already been done on both the shuttle
and MIR.

Zero grav's awkward for lovers
Especially pushers and shovers
The problems of docking
And then interlocking
Are greatly increased when one hovers.  (sorry--couldn't resist)

Magicon or Bust!

Frank Ney N4ZHG
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703-803-0391 To log in for trial and account info.
From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: ReinConation Oops
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:06:46 GMT
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/UseNet - +1 415 968 8140

king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist) writes:

> ReinConation booked the Radison solid?!!?  Either the hotel is
> double-booking conventions again, or this doesn't look like it's going
> to the the small, intimate relaxacon it's billed as...

I suspect there's another group using whatever rooms ReinConation hasn't
blocked. I don't remember it being booked last year, but I could easily be
wrong. Oh well. For now I'm in the Sofitel.

> Minicon II: Because once a year just isn't enough?  :-)

No ... trust me, you DON'T want to even consider it. We do three to four
1500-2500 person cons a year in the South Bay (most of which are going
away next year because of ConFrancisco). That's why I'm going to
ReinConation instead of Worldcon. I need to have some FUN at cons before I
burn out completely.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: ConFrancisco Membership
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:28:45 GMT

Seeing's how I can't get to Orlando this year, I figure it's a good time
to look forward to San Francisco in '93.  Anyone have addresses,
membership prices, etc. that they'd care to send me?

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From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: ConClave
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 08:22:08 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/UseNet - +1 415 968 8140

king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist) writes:

> I need a con fix!  I can't believe it's been since Minicon last April...

So come to ReinConation the weekend after Labor Day, in Minneapolis. It
the Mpls area relax-a-con. MUCH friendlier and more relaxing than worldcon.

        8-)

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From: ddb@tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-Bennet)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Convention Supplies
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:20:08 -0600

 D'K> What I'm wondering is what kind of prices I'm going to have to be able to
 D'K> charge, if I'm going to be beating the prices that conventions are
already
 D'K> paying.  (IE:  Do you go to the locla
 D'K> grocey store and pay $7 a case, and then
 D'K> have to rent a truck to get it to the convention?)

Minicon has, for the last decade or some such, been dealing directly
with the local Coke distributor and getting fountain dispensers
installed.  We had something like 10 (in different rooms) last year).
They deliver and set up.  I've never worked directly in parties, and
not in treasury since 1981; I don't actually recall the specific
prices we're paying recently.

 D'K> Also, I'm wondering what kind of
 D'K> "munchies" fandom is interested in...  (IE:
 D'K> Potato Chips, Goldfish, Chocolate, etc...)

We get potato and corn chips and pre-cut vegetables and pretzels, and
"gorp", and some fancy chocolate, and fresh bakery stuff in the
mornings, and coffee and tea and instant outmeal and fruit juices and
popcorn and, oh, I'm probably forgetting something but that's most of
it.

(Minicon had about 2500 people in attendance last year; for those who
wonder why I keep citing different numbers, in some situations
(financial) the registration number is more important, whereas in
others (supply consumption) the actual attendance is.)


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:38:38 GMT

ddb@tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-Bennet) publicly declared:
>[About the Minicon consuite...]
>We get potato and corn chips and pre-cut vegetables and pretzels, and
>"gorp", and some fancy chocolate, and fresh bakery stuff in the
>mornings, and coffee and tea and instant outmeal and fruit juices and
>popcorn and, oh, I'm probably forgetting something but that's most of
>it.

Minicon has, In My Not-So-Humble Opinion, the best consuite known to
mankind.  This is partly due to the physical space in the hotel (the
consuite is the entire 22nd floor, half of which is a single large
room) but mostly due to the parties committee and the dedication to
keep it up and running 24 hours.  Thanks, guys!

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If all you do in life are important things, then       |      Steven King
you'll never have any fun -- unless having fun is an   |   Motorola Cellular
important thing to you.                                |   king@rtsg.mot.com