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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Subject: Re: SPURS
Keywords: winning
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:08:09 GMT

In <1993Jan21.184419.28213@maths.tcd.ie> aldot@maths.tcd.ie (Alan Dalton) writes:

>As the famous line goes "I had a dream".
>last night as I sat watching another nights tedium on the box a strange thing
>happened.
>     A vision errupted in my head,my wandering mind was stopped dead in
>it's tracks.The horrible clould engulfing the SPURS season had amazingly
>lifted and there we stood at the top of the division
>the picture stood clear in my mind : the team standing in the centre of
>White Hart lane,the stadium filled to capacity,the roar engulfing the whole
>of London and there in front of me stood Mabbut with the cup in his hand
>beating off his team mates hands
>    And then another vision came to me,the league table appeared before me
>and as I marvelled at us sitting prouldly at the top of the table,my joy 
>turned into complete and utter ecstacy as I saw before me the ARSE-NIL 
>hiding behind united at the bottom of the table!!
>     Alas Alas visions are but for the pretender and and this the hour
>of my discontent I awoke to the realisation that such a notion
>is but wishful thinking in our darkest hour
>I think the word I am looking for is "SACK"   

Whatever you're smoking, Alan, I WANT SOME!!!

But seriously, who do you want to sack? This isn't our darkest hour
(yet) and prevailing opinion at the ground these days seems to be that
this season is a huge improvement on last, despite the departure of
Lineker and Stewart. For a club without the resources to spend a great
deal without selling marquee players, we're not doing too badly.
Clemence and Livermore have only had half a season in charge and
they've introduced some young players. Team spirit is infinitely better
than it was last season, and the club's finances are (we're told) being
gradually turned around. Hopefully, if we can just hold things together
for a season or two, the team will start a renaissance and re-introduce
style into the English game!

"Let's make the dream become a reality. Let's..." <BANG> "aarrgghh!"

(with apologies in advance for any offense taken)

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
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From: csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Decker)
Subject: Re: English FA Cup 4th round results, Sat 23 Jan
Keywords: plus 1st Division results
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:18:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.184201.6083@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>FA CUP 4th ROUND
>Tranmere       1  Ipswich     2  (Nevin [T] half-time lead, Dozzell 2 [I])

I beg to differ! It was actually Guentchev (or however you spell it) who
tapped in a Kiwomya shot that rebounded off the post for the second. Dozie
did score the first though, a blistering shot by all accounts.

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From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Keywords: USISL, Connecticut Wolves
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:06:27 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
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In article <C1FB6F.9o9@hsi.com>, archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
|> 
|> An unintended connection by Russ I'm sure.  Do you remember that Alan
|> Hinton coached the Tulsa Roughnecks before heading to the Great Northwest!?
|> 
|> If not, now you do!  Its a small world, innit?  :-)

No, I didn't remember that.  And in regard to some things it's not small
enough.  Garry already knows I contacted Alan again last week and no
further developments are reportable now about the resurection of the
Sounders name.  He's still working on it though and there may be a group
working toward joining the USISL here as well.  Alan's opinion of that
organization is perhaps better not quoted here.  He's also not happy that
the Pacific Northwest is being completely ignored by the USSF in staging
it's friendlies.  Putting at least one of the England matches in the US
CUP 93 in a stadium in Vancouver, BC, Seattle, or Portland would have
virtually guaranteed a sell-out as there are that many ex Brits in the
area.

-russ
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: ############# UK fans, PLEASE GO! ###############
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:53:29 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

>mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

>>in fact, why don't YOU lot create a new NEWS group called
>>rec.sport.soccer.inane.crap.about.armenia.etc


>You still don't get it? English soccer is technically and tactically INFERIOR
>to European soccer. 

So what?? This is a group dedicated to all aspects of football, bad and good,
not solely for the pompous elite of the football world. Anyway, Dutch football
is no great shakes these days, maybe all the Dutch posters should get off the
net too and form their own little parochial group.

Or should we tell all US posters to go form their own group because their
football is technically inferior? I think not!


>It's a lot of trouble first having to get through all 
>that only-important-to-you crap, so why don't you just create an own newsgroup?
>Or aren't there enough English soccer-fans to do that?

Well hey! why don't you go *learn* how to *use* the newsreader properly instead
of whining about it. Run a filter if it bothers you so much but don't come
moaning here because of your own technical inadequacies in using a newsreader.

Plus, John's Scottish and not English. Hey! Didn't Scotland draw with Holland
in the EC cup last summer in Sweden? So much for the technically and tactically
Dutch football!! :-)

Dave

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From: eeidhn@eeiud.ericsson.se ( David Hatton )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds v Arsenal
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:27:20 -0600
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F.A. 4th Round (at Highbury)

ARSENAL (0) 2 - LEEDS (2) 2

PARLOUR (SP?)      SPEED
MERSON             CHAPMAN
From: agd@bnr.co.uk (Alastair Doggett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:42:28 GMT
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In article <1993Jan21.114827.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930121092937.384@psy4.psy.glasgow.ac.uk>, RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" ) writes:
>> Yes.I read Follow Follow which is a Rangers fanzine.The editors go to
>The second article accused Paul Elliot of stirring up racial hatred at an Old
>Firm game.  The author of the article had seen Elliot gesturing to a section of
>the crowd.  His interpretation of this was that the player was pointing out that
>he was the same colour as Mark Walters,an outragious act in the opinion of the
>writer. One must assume here that neither player had received any racial abuse
>from any section of the crowd (unlikely). The article actually began with that
>classic, confessorial line "Some of my best friends are coloured...". Nuff
>said.

    Some of my best friends are Leeds fans... yup, it's a true fact and just
what is so wrong about stating this.  You seem desperate to find hatred,
racism and bigotry in everyone of us, I cannot see any indication of racism in
the example you have given above and yet you seem to be suggesting that the
author must be a racist because he admits to having black friends.  I cannot
see any relevance at all in the article quoted, all you have detailed is that
the author thinks it was an an outrageous act for Paul Elliot to point out that
he and Walters are the same colour - strange topic for an article certainly,
but not a sniff of racism. The only reason I can think of for Elliot's action
was that he was getting racial abuse from Rangers' fans and was gesturing to
them that as Walters was also on the park they should perhaps realise that he
would be suffering  as well as Elliot.  Your assumption that no racist abuse
had taken place would therefore be completely wrong.  Are you sure the article
wasn't condemning the racist abuse and highlighting this incident in order to
try and shame some of the morons into ceasing their monkey chants ?

  I have always found Follow Follow to be very right on when it comes to
racism, naturally they like to take digs at Celtic fans and I'd expect no
less, just don't try and pass that off as being religious bigotry.

>Chris
>aka Sean Celticandfootballfansagainstbigotry

  Al who's going to West Ham next week for the first time in 18 months.

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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: English FA Cup 4th round results, Sat 23 Jan
Keywords: plus 1st Division results
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:42:01 GMT

FA CUP 4th ROUND
----------------
Aston Villa    1  Wimbledon   1  (Yorke [AV] on 3mins, Wimbledon equalised)
Tranmere       1  Ipswich     2  (Nevin [T] half-time lead, Dozzell 2 [I])
Nottm Forest   1  Middlesboro 1  (Faulkner[M] 0-1, Webb [NF] 1-1)
Man United     1  Brighton    0  (Ryan Giggs free-kick on 76min)
Sheff United   1  Hartlepool  0
Crewe Alex.    0  Blackburn   3
Rotherham      1  Newcastle   1  (Lee[N] half-time lead, Rotherham equalised)
Huddersfield   1  Southend    2
Luton          1  Derby Co.   5  (Derby were 4-0 up at half-time)
QPR            1  Man City    2  (Man City went 2-0 up)

Arsenal vs. Leeds - Monday

First Division
--------------
Portsmouth     1  Brentford   0
Cambridge      2  Oxford      2
Leicester      1  Notts Co    1
From: clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic Re-sign Jinky Johnstone
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:37:32 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan26.123411.7053@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan25.162858.25531@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> 
>>There was a classic in yesterdays Sunday Mail from that great orator Liam
>>Brady which probably qualifies him for a seat on the board.
>>
>>                       "Gazza For Celtic!" by Alex Gordon
>>
> 	<article deleted> 
> 
>> 
>>In disecting this piece of certain parts stand out like sponsors on a Celtic
>>jersey:
>>
> <latest what's_wrong_with_Celtic_stuff deleted> 
> 
> Why must you persist in attacking EVERY SINGLE THING to do with Celtic ?

Cause were are all blue noses and its great fun to kick celtic when they`re
down, why else do you think we attack celtic.



> 
> Posting "Rangers Match Reports" is one thing, and fine by me (I enjoy reading
> the reports), endless abuse of all things Celtic is another.
> 
Alot of celtic fans enjoy the banter or crack (as the Irish call it) as can
be seen with the recent debate about the celtic dominance of the league.


> With regards to Rangers v Celtic I'm totally neutral, but I and others are
> getting bloody sick of yours, Sandy's etc. endless goings-on about what's
> wrong at Celtic Park. Stop cluttering up the group please.
It is obvious that you are neutral in this matter because the rivalry between
Rangers and celtic is, or should I say was the biggest talking point in
Scottish football, I say was cause now there is no rivalry anymore cause 
celtic is sooo bad.


> 
> Have a nice day.

Thanks, I`ll try my best.
> 
> 
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From: ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Battiston, not Lacombe
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:28:42 GMT

The French player who collided with Schumacher was not Lacombe (who scored 
the first and only goal by France in its defeat 1-2 against Italy in 
Argentina) but Battiston.-- 
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From: franck Daphnis <fd10@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Give Cantona is due
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:11:12 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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I am not writing this to start another war between rival English fans,
but as somebody who has been following Eric Cantona for a long time now,
ever since he was playing for AJ Auxerre and became European champion
with the under 21 French team.
I read everywhere on this network that Canto is overrated.  It is,
however,  clear to me that he is the catalyst for Manchester United
recent surge in England.  Anybody who has seen him play within a team
with offensive strategies will agree with me that his vision, flair,
technic and love for beautiful moves has few equivalent in contemporary
soccer.  
He is only 26, and if he does not fight with Fergusson and if MU maintain
its offensive tendencies, in a year or two Cantona may very well become
the Best player in all of Europe.
Anticipating the wrath of Liverpool, Leeds and other fans, I will point
out that I am not a MU supporter and have no particular preference when
it comes to English teams.  I do however follow your championship
assiduously and I can appreciate exceptional talent wherever I can spot
it.
From: mcsdc1gf@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: UK fans PLEASE GO!........
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:28:30 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


 okay!  thats it!!  now , mr GOD!!  since when have you the right to tell
the British what to do.....youse lot are always usiing the British for target
practise(Remember the gulf  ,swines!) but now you are attacking us verbally
on a PUBLIC ACCESS USER SYSTEM !! By the way , PUBLIC ACCESS does not mean
America only , o.k? Sure , the Brits do slagg each other off but thats the
way it is , and if youre not happy about it , read some other group...

 Yes , i agree that there is too much usage of bad language but that does
not give you the right to tell us to get lost...the sayings true about
Americans , "Everything is bigger in America , including their heads!"
As for the British clttering up the system with their football news , 
you should look at the name of the group you are reading....it says SOCCER
That is Britains and Europes national game...yours is Baseball and NFL footy.
So m if you persist to say that your game is so superior to ours , we'll see
in the World Cup , wont we?? Remember , you have to put the ROUND ball UNDER
the bar as well as between the sticks... this is known as a goal...

  but if your strikers are anything like your air force , you wont be hitting
the right target too often..


  So , America , get yourself headed and keep personal opinions like yours
to yerselfs.
From: zuvec@westminster.ac.uk (Kostaky Savva)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is with Liverpool
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:45:27 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster
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simonh@napier.uk.sun.com (Simon Hunt - Sun EHQ) writes:
: In article 4913@westminster.ac.uk, zuvec@westminster.ac.uk (Kostaky Savva) writes:
: >simonh@napier.uk.sun.com (Simon Hunt - Sun EHQ) writes:
: >: 
: >: 
: >: In article D933DDEC0000819D@knox.bitnet, PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:

[stuff deleted]

: 
: Personally, I'd be more worried if I was an Oldham or Middlesbrough fan (I'm not).
: They're my tips for relegation, although I was at the Boro v QPR game a couple of 
: weeks ago, and Middlesbrough were unluck to lose it 1-0.  It was poetic justice 
: that Ferdie scored the winner - every time he touched the ball the Boro fans 
: started chanting 'F**k off Ferdinand' because of Keegan's interest in the player
: (Middlesbrough and Newcastle fans don't get along, apparently).
: 
: Agreed, Ferdinand is worth buying, but not by Liverpool.  After seeing the state
: of Liverpool's defence against Bolton, I would opt for a defensive-minded midfielder
: along the lines of Paul Allen of Spurs.  

	I think the defence has not played with each other to be a solid 
defence. Also about Paul Allen. Daglish tried to sign him when Allen was at 
West Ham. I don't think he would be a good signing. They need a ball winner. 
I am suprised Souness has not invested the Pools dosh in another Souness or
McMahon. I presume he bought Thomas, and Stewart to play that sort of role, 
with Thomas also making forward runs. I don't think this has worked.


: 
: When I said 'resources' in my earlier post I was referring largely to players, not
: money.  They should sell half their current squad - the London contingent first
: (Michael Thomas and Paul Stewart) before their poor form decreases their value
: too much.
:

	He does need to sell players. Souness said after the Bolton game that
he would make wholesale changes. He is going to sell quite a few players. 



: How?
: 

Guess. 

: 
: 
: simon*hunt
: 
: 
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From: ial@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Iain Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Ibrox Flooded
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:21:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1993Jan26.083816.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <C1F4u9.6qH@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, ial@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Iain Lindsey) writes:
> > I remember a game two years ago at Pittodrie,Aberdeen when the pitch was waterlogged
> > and obviously unplayable for an Aberdeen v Rangers match. However the match was not
> > called off with one of the reasons being given was that all the Rangers fans were on
> > their way and it would be unfair on them to call it off. What happens this week when
> > under the same circumstances Aberdeen are playing Rangers in Glasgow? SFA. A severe
> > case of bias methinks!
> 
> 
> 	Nonsense !  If you had seen any photos of the pitch you would
> have seen it was not playable and it's a mystery why the referee took 
> until 2-40pm to call it off.  Rangers fans don't just come from Glasgow, they
> travel from all over the UK to come to Ibrox and there are probably more 
> travelling a longer distance than Aiberdeen fans.  None of the other Premier 
> Division matches should have been played either judging by TV pictures. 
> The whole this has got nothing to do with Rangers bias.
> 

Thats not what I am saying! I have seen the photos and am agreeing the match should
have been called off. However if you had seen the conditions for the other match they
were as bad if not worse! Thats the bias.

Iain




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From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Referee Fee Info Needed
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:39:04 GMT


  Our fees are generally based on minutes of the game.
  A referee on an Adult 45m 1/2 gets $30 (linesmen always get half the
  referee fee).  A 40m 1/2 gets $28.

  High School fees are set by WOA (Washington Official's Association).
  Currently $30 + mileage for the Referee and 1/2 the fee + mileage for
  the linesman.  Playoffs get more.  "Referee" magazine from time to time
  publishes Statewide averages of all sports fees.   

  Youth fees vary from club to club - association to association.  Our
  fee schedule is:  U11/12 - $14
                    U13/14 - $16
                    U15/16 - $18
                    U17/19 - $25

  Remember, for the most part these are kids, and they are really the ones
  paying for all this - so we don't want to take the money away from the kids.

  But, hey, Connecticut - how do you get $60 per game?  What level - 
  Mens Division I?  Or - just adult games in general.  

  ---

  If a referee accepts an assignment and fails to show he/she is 'fined'
  1 1/2 times the game fee (allowances are made for emergencies). 

  Doesn't take to many 'no shows' and/or short-notice cancellations before
  that referee goes to the bottom of my assigning roster.

  
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From: omair@plato.icsl.ucla.edu (Asim Omair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: FA CUP results ?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:38:57 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

Could somebody please post the results of the 4th round of the FA Cup.
This net is my only source and I am eagerly waiting for the results.

--Asim.

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