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From: rouxclau@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roux Claude)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Film? Re: (French Kulcha) Re: CNN Reports...
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:32:29 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

You're full with prejudices about the French, l'ami... May I ask you if you
considere yourself the best critics in Cinema on the World or is it just
because you're american with this narrow mind which is usually the one of
americans people. You for exemple I've loved the Grand Bleu, and I've seen
this movie three times. Should I apologize for this? I'm sorry, I'm not an
expert in cinema, but I've loved many French movies the last ten years, 
should I be ashamed of it? Or is it simply that I couldn't understand the 
quality of dialogues and voices for I'm just a Frenchman and not one this
american genius who think for exemple that the Earth is flat or put USSR
above the USA on a map (you see, USSR isn't above USA on a map, it's 
Canada)...

Claude...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Re: Increasing amount of people against EU in Denmark
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:56:40 GMT

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) writes:

>>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)
>>>>>> "Baard" == Baard Misund (baardm@stud.cs.uit.no)

>Baard> If Norway doesn't become a member I'm personally moving to
>Baard> Denmark.

>Oh, no, son, you're not. Fortress Europe is not going to accept
>refugees from under-developed part of the world.


What happened to free travel and common labor market in
the nordic countries?

jari
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From: k_lirzin@thomson-lcr.fr (Philippe Kerlirzin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Tarif aeriens (was Euro Disney)
Keywords: Tarifs/USA
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:34:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr15??>, luzeaux@roma.berkeley.edu (Dominique
Luzeaux) writes: 
|> Personnellement, je suis client; moins je paye, plus je suis content.

Les compagnies en difficultes financieres qui cassent les prix rognent
sur l'entretien de leurs avions au mepris de la securite. Alors "moins
je paye, plus je suis content" d'accord si on arrive vivant et entier! 

           Philippe Kerlirzin
-- 
Philippe Kerlirzin
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From: granado@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Bertrand Granado)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Keywords: greve
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: granado@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Bertrand Granado)
Organization: Universite de Montreal


In article <1992Apr14.215334.10078@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
luzeaux@liszt.berkeley.edu (Dominique Luzeaux) writes:
|>In article <1992Apr14.164413@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, granado@IRO.UMontreal.CA
|>(Bertrand Granado) writes:
|>|> Sans etre anti-americain primaire, je n'ai pas envie d'ici quelque
temps que
|>|> les seules attractions francaise (voire mondiales) soit de bouffer de
|>hamburgers
|>|> et de s'eclater a voire une souris faire l'apologie du fric !!!!
|>|> Excuse-moi mais Bravo a la C.G.T !!!!!
|>|> 
|>
|>Ca me rappelle:
|>  "je n'ai pas envie d'ici quelque temps que les seuls commercants,
banquiers,
|>    intellectuels soient des juifs"
|>
|>T'a raison, Kamerad, on va se faire le pogrome du millenaire: marre des
|>Americains
|>et de leur souris, marre des Arabes et de leur couscous, marre des Juifs
|>et de leur
|>trucs kosher, marre des Noirs et de leurs bananes, marre des Asiatiques
|>et de leur
|>riz, marre des Anglais et de leur the, marre des Espagnols et de leur
|>paella, marre
|>des Belges et de leurs frites, marre des Allemands et de leur
|>choucroute, marre des
|>Suisses et de leurs banques, marre des Italiens et de leurs pizza, marre
|>des Lapons
|>et de leurs rennes, marre des Martiens et de leur bite
|>verte,.......................
|>

Le pogrom, tu es le seul a vouloir le faire !
Tout ce a quoi j'aspire, c'est une culture mondiale et pas mondiale a
l'americaine.
Si on peut dire, a certains americains qui se prennent pour la septieme
merveille du monde que c'est peut-etre les seuls a le penser, c'est pas un mal!
Je pense que l'on est pas obliger de ramper et de dire amen a Disney
tout ca parce qu'il amene du travail (J'aimerai te signaler au passage,
que d'apres les conditions d'embauche a Euro-Disney, meme Walt Disney
n'aurait paas pu y travailler !).

Tes idees de pogrom t'appartiennent, et je suis loin de les partager !
Quant au Camarade, j'en suis peut-etre un mais loin d'etre le tien.

Bertrand.
|>	Dominique Luzeaux
                             
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From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.esperanto,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:20:34 GMT
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: albion@bcrks63


In article <1992Apr9.103450.29436@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, duncan@ossian.uucp (Duncan C Thomson) writes:

> >
> >STOP! I want to see a proof of this gratuitous claim. I want real-world based
> >arguments showing that making everyone learn a new, artificial language is
> >cheaper than using the existing business and educational infrastructure in
> >support of English, and encouraging more people to learn it.
> 

I thought that Hollywood had been seconded to do this. Not only do they 
promote a completely artificial language but they make lots of money
at the same time.

If only you could do the same thing with culture.




                                      Alan



--
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alanbu@bnr.ca        

        Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.
                         - William Butler Yeats
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.usage.english
From: oliver@rhea.math.ucla.edu (Mike Oliver)
Subject: Re: billion/milliard, was: English OR Esperanto?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: soc
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.014952.22066@cs.tu-berlin.de> wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:

>At school I was taught the same distinction between US and UK usage,
>and my dictionary states it too:
>
>             US              UK            Ger             Fre
>10**6        million         million       Million         million
>10**9        billion         milliard      Milliarde       milliard/billion
>10**12       trillion        billion       Billion         trillion
>10**15       quadrillion     trillion      Trillion        mille trillions (?)
                              ^^^^^^^^

No, I don't think so.  It was my understanding that the UK "trillion" means
10**18; 10**15 they call "thousand billion."  I also think "milliard" is
at least rare in any form of English; the Brits say "thousand million."

The (supposed) UK system does have the advantage that the exponent is
a simple multiple of the number given by the root of the word.  The dis-
advantage is that large numbers are confusing to read aloud: 234,567,000,000
becomes "Two hundred and thirty-four thousand, five hundred and sixty-seven
million."

--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Oliver 
UUCP:...!{ucbvax,{hao!cepu}}!ucla-cs!math.ucla.edu!oliver
ARPA: oliver@math.ucla.edu
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From: karl@diku.dk (Karl-Christian Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:17:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

espen@coli.uni-sb.de (Espen J. Vestre) writes:

>In article <1992Mar27.105847.1762@odin.diku.dk> karl@diku.dk 
>(Karl-Christian Hansen) writes:
>> If other people want to be ruled by Nazis, that is their problem. I don't
>> want the problem exported to Denmark. 
>> 

>I guess all these reports on racist atrocities in Denmark a few years ago 
>where just evil lies spread by Norwegian papers, then??  (Yes, of course, 
>you can't trust norwegians either, they're *foreigners*, aren't they?)

No, those reports weren't just lies. I'm sorry to say that. And I'm afraid
the EU will make it worse. That's why I say no to the EU.
As to trusting Norwegians, that depends on the Norwegian in question...

>> 
>> Get it straight. We wanna be us!

>Ja, Danmark for dansker!

What I'm saying is Denmark for Danish living standards. Funny you can't 
get it straight.

>btw: the right-extreme political parties in e.g. Germany are 
>in a certain sense your _allies_, Karl - they are just as much 
>against the EC as _you_ are.  

For a different reason.

>just like your main argument _against_ the EC are that all those
>conservative and industry people are pro-EC, I'm getting more and
>more pro-EC (although I still haven't really made up my mind)
>when I think of all these populists, old communists, mad christians
>and old and new nazis which are against the EC in Norway (and in
>Denmark, it seems.  You're not even a TVIND supporter, are you??).

No, I'm not a Tvind supporter. I don't believe I said so. What makes you
believe that? Also, I'm not a nazi, or a communist, or even a christian
(except by middle name :-). It's just that I don't believe in a life after
death, so if people should have a good life, it must be here and now.
The EU will be yet another step towards preventing that, so I vote NO.

>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Espen J. Vestre,                          espen@coli.uni-sb.de
>Universitaet des Saarlandes        
>(in the middle of EVIL, at the french/german border!!)
>--------------------------------------------------------------

>(sorry for the flames, I just can't stand it when xenophobia and 
> nationalism is wrapped up in a package of anti-fascism, thus 
> pretending to be the opposite of what it is...)

I'm not xenophobic, I'm naziphobic, EEC-phobic and materialism-phobic.
If you believe that to be wrong, join the EU and good f***ing riddance.
That's gonna be Norways problem (and yours).

Karl
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 00:55:46 EDT
From: <FAFARDP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Important questions

I have had access to many of the debates on this net under the category of
soc.culture.europe.   What I have found are some very lengthy debates about
whether or not Denmark of Finland would be better off in or out of the EC and
a even longer debate about Greece, Turkey, the Balkans and competing
interpretations of the historical record.  Frankly, these debates are getting
a bit detailed, arcane and/or tedious for those of use who are not residents
of Finland, Denmark, Greece, Turkey, etc. or have a direct interest in the
politics of these areas.

I would humbly like to suggest that we individually and collectively turn
our attention to some other, albeit related issues that seem to be important
to contemporary Europe.  There are many possibilities but I throw out the
following questions.  They are, as you would expect, issues that I am
particularly interested in.

1. What are we to make of the recent elections in Italy, Germany, and France
   where parties of the far right surged in popularity?  Is this a sign of
   poor economic times leading to dissent or is it something more?

2. Will the Maastricht treaty be ratified and if it is or not what is the
   future of the EC?  Will there be reforms to the CAP, will the EC add more
   members or should it, will the budget of the EC expand to allow for more
   geographical redistribution, etc.

Others will undoubtedly have different and/or related issues and concerns.  I
would simply, and perhaps naively, like to broaden the debate.

 Patrick Fafard
 Political Studies        "... it is impossible to solve Europe's problems
 Queen's University        among States which retain full sovereignty."
 Kingston, CANADA
 fafardp@QUCDN.QueensU.CA                  Jean Monnet
From: jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Killing Mutlu
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:27:41 GMT
Reply-To: jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

Hi there

Would any kind soul out there be prepared to share their Mutlu
kill files with the rest of the world?

If that makes any difference, I run xrn. It doesn't matter if the kill
file is not up to Olympic standards, I'm just after one that does a
reasonable job.

Thanks in advance,

John
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From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: (French Kulcha) Re: CNN Reports...
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:09:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe
Organization: GRASP Lab


Joseph, you say:

>They French film industry has over a long time been gradually absorbed
>and altered by French Television for the purposes of Television (i.e.
>to inhibit competition) - a result has been the simultaneous (and
>paradoxical) decline in film quality and a strangely growing
>dependency on American programming to fill the created markets. Isn't
>it difficult to believe that Le Cinq just closed (can you imagine a
>Television network going bust in this day and age?), and most
>financiers are about as interested in funding Television and Film
>projects in France as they are Real Estate in London Docklands.


Desole, Joseph, I definitly can't agree with this statement.
French TV (Especially Canal +) fund French cinema, that's true, but the quality 
does NOT decrease because of that ! 
French TV, as many others, rely on American production simply because it's cheaper to buy garbage than to
produce high-quality films. If "La cinq" closed, it's mostly because of its failed attempt to "fill the gaps"
 with all kind of low-quality american series. French public wants a little more than than, fortunatly.

French Cinema may have financing problems, I agree, but stop comparing the average American comedy with what
you call "serious" (what's boring for you is interesting for me. He oui !) French films.


> "MacDonalds" - hamburgers are French cuisine 


you must be kidding...


>Pommes-Frites are more Belgian, though I would hasten to point out
>that "Belgium" is a synthetic country made up of (rather warring)
>Flemish and French-speaking peoples;


I take this as a first-order insult towards one of the most beautiful place on earth.
If you really want some historical references, potatoes come from South America....big deal.

>But then one reminds onesself that French cuisine was derived from Italian cuisine,
>I believe in the 17th century.

you're partly right, Italian cookers who were fed up of spaghettis brought some interesting recipes at the
French Royal court.

JM.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
From: pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale)
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Keywords: greve
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 23:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.183658.12053@unx.sas.com>, trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull) writes:
|>    J'ai lu que le train (RER?) de Paris a Disney ne marchait pas
|> parcequ'on faisait greve ce jour la.  C'est marrant, si c'est vrais...
|> -- 

absolument. La CGT nous a encore fait un coup de maitre. Entre les manifs lors
du Tour de France cycliste et la menace de greve des chauffeurs de taxis lors
des Jeux d'Alberville (c'est si loin deja!), ce genre d'evenements a vraiment
un grand interet.
Cependant pour une fois, je ne lance pas la pierre a la CGT, car ainsi on a vu
CNN dire que les francais n'acceuillent pas tous de bon coeur ce park (Asterix
ou es tu?). Ca ne fait pas de mal aux americains de savoir qu'ils n'ont pas
toujours tout vrai.

philippe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Keywords: greve

In article <1992Apr13.183658.12053@unx.sas.com>, trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull) writes:
|>    J'ai lu que le train (RER?) de Paris a Disney ne marchait pas
|> parcequ'on faisait greve ce jour la.  C'est marrant, si c'est vrais...
|> -- 

absolument. La CGT nous a encore fait un coup de maitre. Entre les manifs lors
du Tour de France cycliste et la menace de greve des chauffeurs de taxis lors
des Jeux d'Alberville (c'est si loin deja!), ce genre d'evenements a vraiment
un grand interet.
Cependant pour une fois, je ne lance pas la pierre a la CGT, car ainsi on a vu
CNN dire que les francais n'acceuillent pas tous de bon coeur ce park (Asterix
ou es tu?). Ca ne fait pas de mal aux americains de savoir qu'ils n'ont pas
toujours tout vrai.

philippe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Subject: 
Keywords:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Keywords: greve

In article <1992Apr13.183658.12053@unx.sas.com>, trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull) writes:
|>    J'ai lu que le train (RER?) de Paris a Disney ne marchait pas
|> parcequ'on faisait greve ce jour la.  C'est marrant, si c'est vrais...
|> -- 

absolument. La CGT nous a encore fait un coup de maitre. Entre les manifs lors
du Tour de France cycliste et la menace de greve des chauffeurs de taxis lors
des Jeux d'Alberville (c'est si loin deja!), ce genre d'evenements a vraiment
un grand interet.
Cependant pour une fois, je ne lance pas la pierre a la CGT, car ainsi on a vu
CNN dire que les francais n'acceuillent pas tous de bon coeur ce park (Asterix
ou es tu?). Ca ne fait pas de mal aux americains de savoir qu'ils n'ont pas
toujours tout vrai.

philippe



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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:45:12 GMT
	<1992Mar24.095330.3724@nntp.hut.fi> <19480@castle.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Mar25.111936.29389@sci.kun.nl>
	<MIKE.92Apr1023932@guam.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at>
	<ERU.92Apr3175142@tnso04.tele.noki
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: eru@tnso04.tele.nokia.fi's message of 3 Apr 92 15:51:42 GMT

In article <ERU.92Apr3175142@tnso04.tele.nokia.fi> eru@tnso04.tele.nokia.fi (Erkki Ruohtula) writes:

   To minimize "unfair advantage", the "official standard language" of
   Europe should obviously be the one with the smallest possible number
   of native speakers (unless you want to go with artificial languages
   like Esperanto, which many people find, well, too artificial). So which
   is smallest? Welsh, Breton, Samish, Gaelic, ...?

Try Cornish or Manx - they have no native speakers left at all.. :-(
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
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From: hberg@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: English OR Esperanto?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:59:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: polisci.hberg.107
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

I suppose Swedish would have to be regard as a poor language since you can't,
in Swedish, say "a lazy child" (ett *latt* barn) nor "a scared child" 
(ett *r{tt* barn).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: hellmond@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Peter H. Hellmonds)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Fax no and e-mail required
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:29:26 GMT

peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters) writes:
  
  I have to meet a deadline (Wednesday 15 April) and am urgently looking for
  a fax no and an e-mail address of the Ludwig-Maximilians-Universita"t in
  Mu"nchen - or even better - of the Institut fu"r deutsche Philologie 
   (Schellingstrasse 3, 8000 Mu"nchen 40).
  Who can help me out?? (Preferably by e-mail)

Here you go! I was online in the Internet Relay Chat and asked Anton
to look it up for you in the phone-book. He sent me this e-mail which I
am herewith forwarding.

From: Anton Hartl <hartl@informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
Date: 	Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:37:24 +0200
Reply-To: Anton.Hartl@informatik.tu-muenchen.de

Allgemeine LMU FAX Nummer:	338297

Zum Institut fuer Deutsche Philologie gehoert das
Centrum fuer Informations- und Sprachverarbeitung (CIS)
Deren FAX Nummer ist: 3616199 und eine email Adresse haben sie
auch: sekr@cis.uni-muenchen.dbp.de.  Der Leiter des CIS ist
Prof. Dr. Franz Guenther.

Gruss,
	Toni
-- 
-- Peter

-- 
Peter H. Hellmonds - Princeton University - Princeton, NJ, 08544, USA 
Tel (609) 683-4893 (home) - (609) 258-4804 (off) - Fax (609) 258-2809 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: scm@cs.brown.edu (Stanislav Markovic)
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: Brown University, Department of Computer Science
	<1992Apr11.161948.10966@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1992Apr14.153818.6955@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
	<SCM.92Apr14164819@hector.cs.brown.edu>
	<sdutx4G00Vp5AGFrcg@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:50:31 GMT

In article <sdutx4G00Vp5AGFrcg@andrew.cmu.edu> na0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nenad Antonic) writes:

> 	And now we all have the war. For now, it's still only in other
> peoples' backyard, but it is approaching Serbia. And you are looking
> for the culprit in Western Governments. NO! 
> 
> 	You'd better look in the mirror.
> 
> 	Regards
> 
> 		Nenad Antoni\'c.

In the *mirror*? And you have the courage to tell me that? You are
pretty shameless, I'd say.

At least I don't get paid for the articles I post on the net (there
are other services, presumably). Too bad that the car got crashed in
the accident.

One thing that I never understood was why do you type your posts in
TeX? Do you print them later and include them in your resume?

"It is junque."

Stanislav
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
From: muller@shear.engin.umich.edu (Jens-Dominik Mueller)
Subject: Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:15:38 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: muller@shear.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Apr12.232050.2909@leland.Stanford.EDU>, orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel) writes:
...
> But this still does not explain the harsh German reaction towards Turkey.
> 
> A chemical gas-plant is built in Libya by Germans, another one in Irak
> and technology to build chemical weapons are sold to these countries. Then 
> these chemical weapons are used by Irak to anihilate thousands of Kurds.
> Not much reaction on the part of the German government...
> 
> Later, German government goes of the walls to protest Turkey, and 
> heads start rolling. The German Defense Minister fires couple of his aides
> and later  resigns because 15 (that's fifteen!!!) tanks are sold
> to Turkey despite parliamentary objection. An interesting reaction on the
> part of the German government considering the scale. No sleeping 
> bureaucrats and not a slow bureaucracy here...

Could it mean that the German government finally learned something from
what it screwed up in the past? Jens.

(Sorry if this article appears twice, I think my xrn ate the first post.)
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