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From: mohr@rtsg.mot.com (Wilson Mohr)
Subject: Re: Dell NL25
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:18:48 GMT

junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:
>mohr@rtsg.mot.com (Wilson Mohr) writes:

>>My department bought six of them about 2-3 months ago. We have nothing but
>>good words to say about them. They were bought to replace some CompuTRASH
>>(CompuDyne) that we had bought 3 months earlier (very bad experience).

>I'm curious what kind of problems you had with the CompuDynes.
>I have a 486DX machine which is fine so far, I quite like it actually.
>Just curious what to expect. I've been transporting it around daily
>between school and home (in a backpack on a bike). It gets some shaking
>around. No problems so far. 

We had the 386/SX laptops the the big problem was with the hinge mechanism
for the screen. They used a really poor choice of material which fractured
within 2-3 months of usage. Once the plastic broke the spring loaded
mechanism for a counter weight expanded and litterally blew apart the
LCD display. We had seven machines and 6 of them broke within the first 2-3
months. Like you we went for the attractive price allowing us more units, but
in the long run we decided to sacrifice a unit to get something that would
last. Otherwise they were OK, but, once the screen was broke they were useless.


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mohr@rtsg.mot.com    time, he will pick himself up and continue on" - W. Churchill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: dickerso@fester.dell.com (Russell Dickerson - X2787)
Subject: PS/2 L40sx - Has anyone got the mouse to work w/o keypad?
Reply-To: dickerso@cpat.stortek.com
Organization: IO SpecialistsConsulting
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:14:44 GMT

Has anyone got the mouse to work when plugged directly into the PS2 
mouse plug in the back?  My mouse works great when plugged into the
keypad but is ignored when I plug it into the back.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: Jim_Sollows@mindlink.bc.ca (Jim Sollows)
Subject: Draining Notebook Battery
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:22:19 GMT

I have an AST Premium Exec Notebook that is about 6 months old. I noticed
my battery was starting to develop a memory so I left the notebook on to
do a complete discharge (first disabling the sleep mode). I allowed the
battery to totally discharge then plugged it in for a full recharge.
When I turned on the PC after charging the computer just locked up. I
was able to boot by placing a bootable disk in the A drive but could
not boot off the hard drive. This was overcome when I went into the
AST configuration menu and resaved the configuration. Is this a common
problem with notebooks or has anyone else encounterd this problem? BTW
I should add that the computer locked up when it was trying to load the
sleep driver....hence booting off the floppy that didn't load the sleep
driver restored the system and resaving the configuration seemed to
restore the sleep driver. Any comments??
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: Do laptops need screensavers?
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:54:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsuvm1.168A61AD6.97994779
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING

In article <cording.722312429@sorokin>
cording@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Dean Cording) writes:
 
>
>Sorry, my mistake.  I meant plasma when I said phosphor.
>
>Exciting a plasma generates heat which IMHO I suspect affects the display.
>This display has a definate shadow of the Lanalyzer display on it.  It
>can still be seen when the unit is switched off as being darker than
>the uneffected area of the screen.  The operation of the screen is not
>adversely affected apart from this shadow.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have a Toshiba T3100SX and I have burned my Gas Plasma display. Is there anyw
ay to fix the screen?
 
Patrick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: ematias@explorer.dgp (Edgar Matias)
Subject: IBM portable isometric joystick a let down...
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:55:39 GMT


I finally got a chance today to try the isometric joystick embedded in
the keyboard of IBM's new laptops.  Sad to say, it was not as good as
I'd hoped it would be...
 
I had tried one of the prototype joysticks about a year ago.  The
guy who invented it did a demo for our input device research group.
I was *very* impressed with the prototype.  The idea was brilliant!
Moveover, it was really well implemented in the prototype.  They did
a lot of research to determine what the proper height of the stick should
be, and what shape the top of the stick should be.  Turns out that having
the top slightly concave produced the best results.  Suffice it to say
that it was just about perfect (as far as I could tell).  A year
passed before I got to try the commercial version...
 
What a let down!  The top of the stick is rubber and mushy.  The neat
force to motion function they'd figured out didn't work as well as on
the prototype.  How could they have screwed it up?
 
I hope IBM improves this device over time.  It has A LOT of potential.
Too bad the first commercial release didn't measure up to the prototype...
 
Edgar
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: 96kfd@williams.edu (Kyle F Downey)
Subject: WANTED: AST Laptop Memory/Modem for Premium Exec 386sx/20
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:11:34 GMT

Wanted for AST 386sx/20 Premium Exec


-Internal 2400 baud modem ($100)
-4 Meg laptop memory upgrade (part # 500814-003, 386SX) ($150)

	The memory price quoted is from LA Trade; if you can equal or
better it, let's deal. As for the modem, I'm guessing as to its value.
However, since an external 2400 these days runs down around $35 on the
net, anything more than $100 for the internal would be unreasonable).
	Send all offers to 96kfd@williams.edu.

Kyle Downey
96kfd@williams.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: ritc0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Kent C. Ritchie)
Subject: Internal Modem for Toshiba for Sale
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:03:57 GMT

I have a Megahertz T342D modem for sale.  It fits Toshiba T1000LE\SE\XE,
T1200 Series, T1600, T2000 Series, T3100SX and T3200SX notebooks/laptops.  

These are the specs-

CCITT V.21, V22, V.22 BIS, V.22 A an B alternates compatibility
Bell 103 and Bell 212A compatibility

750 mW power consumption enabled
10microW power consumption disabled

300, 600, 1200, 2400 BPS asynchronous data rates

8, 9 or 10 bits character length (data + stop bits)

I have all the manuals and the box.  It has only been used 10 months.  I
am getting rid of it because a kind friend gave me a 2400 w/MNP-5.  

I am asking $60 for it.  You pay the shipping if any.

Please respond with email to ritc0003@student.tc.umn.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Re: HELP! Lost HD Memory!!!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:51:32 GMT



Ok, 
maybe I should clear up a few things.
I have done a chkdsk to make sure
everything is OK.
I forgot about the hidden files, 
it says I have about 8 megs of them.
Isnt this a bit much?
Im mostly an applications kinda guy, so I dont know
much about configuration deals.  Sorry.
When I meant memory, I was meaning HD bytes available for
storage.  
For one thing, I had at least 3.5 Megs free about a week ago,
and the next thing I know I only have the 385K free.
I just dont know where it went.  I was thinking something 
along the lines of backups screwing things up or something.
Does windows do this?  Thanks a million! 


Derek


PS It's not just windows that I have this problem with,
   Being in Dos does not free up any HD bytes.









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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
From: shopsis@panther.adelphi.edu (Charles Shopsis)
Subject: video problem
Organization: Adelphi University - Node: Boole
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:04:35 GMT

I have been experiencing an intermittent computer video problem, and I don't
know which of my components is responsible.
My system is:
     1. a Northgate 386 20 MHz computer with 4 Mb of RAM
     2. an ATI VGA Wonder card with 512 K RAM  (revision 1.03).  This card
     came with 256 K of RAM; the additional 256 K was added about 2 years
     ago and has caused no problems
     3. a Zenith 1490 flat screen monitor
The problem(s):
1. When I start the system, particularly if its been off for several hours or
overnight, the initial text on the screen indicating the BIOS and the memory
check is sometimes enlarged, garbled and completely illegible.  This malady
appears before the hard disk has been read.  If the boot is allowed to continue,
no legible text appears on the screen.  Re-booting sometimes results in the
same behavior, but eventually results in a readable VGA *monochrome* 
display. Turning the monitor off and then on again never helps, only a 
reboot (warmseems as effective as cold).  Eventually, after several reboots, 
the systemappears normal.

2. While running this apparently normal system in Windows 3.1 configured for
640 X 480 with 16 colors, there are rapid, transient flashes of color 
change on the screen, which then returns to normal.  Sometimes, when I run a 
DOS program full-screen (text or graphics), the program behaves as if the 
computer is in EGA mode. When I run ATI's VCONFIG program (a utility that 
detects and sets the videomode), it indicates that the computer is in EGA 
mode, even though Windowswas running in VGA.  If I exit the DOS window and 
return to Windows, theWindows is in a different video mode, with text 
enlarged so that only part of afull-screen window is visible.  If I then 
open up a DOS window, run VCONFIG,and reset the mode to VGA, and then return 
to Windows, things appear normalagain (until the next time I run a DOS 
program, whether from a PIF or a DOSwindow, at which point the problem 
recurs).

Are these two problems related?  Is it (or are they) due to the 
video card, the motherboard, the monitor, or an improper diet?  Has anybody 
out there experienced anything similar?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
From: gdmg1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (David Gubbins)
Subject: Help!  I just bought a used Z-171
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:38:01 GMT

Greetings!   I just bought a used Z-171 dual 5.25" 1/3rd height drives,
640KRAM, and it looks like it has the optional modem.   It has a PC
slot door access cover on the back and inside appears to be a PC bus
card - rumor has it it is a CGA card for the RGB connectors on the rear.

I have no manuals, no info on the MAP, Schedular or other built in functions,
etc.

I also wish to know if this beast has the ability to run on batteries.
All I have is the 12V DC wall pack and there seems to be an empty 
area on the left side on the unit.

Can anyone help me with info, manuals (copies ???), etc?

Thanx!
Gern
From: kent@wonderhog.eng.ufl.edu (Kent Phelps)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
Subject: Re: Z-386/16 memory board upgrade info?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov17.161800.6523
Reply-To: kent@wonderhog.eng.ufl.edu ()
Organization: University of Florida, Digital Design Facility

In article <1992Nov17.002150.60825@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> twb0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Thomas Brown) writes:
>An article was posted recently stating that there was an upgrade which
>could be performed on the Zenith 386/16 1-meg 32-bit memory card which
>would allow it to take 1MB DRAM (to upgrade the board to 4-megs).
>
>I would appreciate any information on this upgrade; feel free to post
>to the net so that others can view it as well.
>
>Thanks much,
>-Tom

OK - here is the info you guys asked for.  To upgrade the Zenith 1 Meg card
to a 4 Meg card do the following steps:

		1) remove all the 256k memory chips
		2) remove the memory chip sockets VERY CAREFULLY.
		3) remove the solder from the holes for the 18 pin
                   sockets ( the 18 pin holes are offset to the left )
		4) install the 18 pin sockets
		5) change U464 from a 444-558 to a 444-529
		6) change U470 from a 444-559 (or a 444-670) to a 444-530
		7) move R405 to R404
		8) move R406 to R407
		9) remove R410
		10) 33 ohm resistors should be added at R14, R15, and R16
		11) install the 1 Meg DIP chips

Suffice it to say this modification is not for the light at heart.  Removing
36 16-pin sockets and clearing the holes for 36 18 pin sockets should only
be attempted by someone who is very familiar with proper soldering techniques.
The 444-529 and the 444-530 can be purchased from ZDS and I assume any ZDS
dealer.  You might even be able to get them from Heath.

Good Luck!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos
From: (Tim Keitt)
Subject: re: HELP! Lost HD Memory!!!!!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:45:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Reply-To: tkeitt@algodones.unm.edu

In article <1992Nov16.074439.25854@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>Help!
>I have been having a lot of memory problems lately.
>Having a mere 40 meg HD, I have recently done my best to 
>transfer everything I own to Floppies that does not need 
>to be on the drive, and zippng some files that I dont use daily.
>This included taking some of my window apps and even storing them on 
>floppies.  BUT:
>
>It didnt work!  Believe it or not, It still says I have only 385K 
>of memory available, in both windows and dos.
>it tells me 41.8M total, 385 available.
>yet, in doing a directory by directory manual
>addition of used memory, I only come up with 27.3M in use!!!
>What the hell happened to my other 14 megs?
>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Derek

A couple of things to try: 

1) run chkdsk /f - you might have lost clusters on your
	disk (data with no associated file in the FAT)
2) look for files with the hidden attribute set (I think
	dir /a:h will do that)
3) if you have a permanent swap file under windows,
	you might want to remove it.

My guess is the first option will work because dir is not 
reporting the missing 14MB. Also, it avoids confusion if you
use 'disk space' for 'HD memory' (most people think RAM when
you say memory). Actually, rereading your post, I'm not sure
whether *you* know the difference (HD memory is not the same
as system RAM). I *hope* thats obvious.

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tkeitt@algodones.unm.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: HELP! Lost HD Memory!!!!!
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:23:37 GMT

In <1992Nov17.005132.19439@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:



>Ok, 
>maybe I should clear up a few things.
>I have done a chkdsk to make sure
>everything is OK.
>I forgot about the hidden files, 
>it says I have about 8 megs of them.
>Isnt this a bit much?

That rather depends on what they are.

>Im mostly an applications kinda guy, so I dont know
>much about configuration deals.  Sorry.

Well, since it's almost assuredly an application causing this, does
that mean you don't need any more help?  :-)

>When I meant memory, I was meaning HD bytes available for
>storage.  
>For one thing, I had at least 3.5 Megs free about a week ago,
>and the next thing I know I only have the 385K free.
>I just dont know where it went.  I was thinking something 
>along the lines of backups screwing things up or something.
>Does windows do this?  Thanks a million! 

There are so many things it could be that it's useless to try to
speculate.  I don't suppose you could give us the NAMES of that 8 MB
of hidden files you have?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: HELP! Lost HD Memory!!!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:44:39 GMT

Help!
I have been having a lot of memory problems lately.
Having a mere 40 meg HD, I have recently done my best to 
transfer everything I own to Floppies that does not need 
to be on the drive, and zippng some files that I dont use daily.
This included taking some of my window apps and even storing them on 
floppies.  BUT:

It didnt work!  Believe it or not, It still says I have only 385K 
of memory available, in both windows and dos.
it tells me 41.8M total, 385 available.
yet, in doing a directory by directory manual
addition of used memory, I only come up with 27.3M in use!!!
What the hell happened to my other 14 megs?
Any help is greatly appreciated.


Derek





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From: twb0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Thomas Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
Subject: Z-386/16 memory board upgrade info?
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:21:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

An article was posted recently stating that there was an upgrade which
could be performed on the Zenith 386/16 1-meg 32-bit memory card which
would allow it to take 1MB DRAM (to upgrade the board to 4-megs).

I would appreciate any information on this upgrade; feel free to post
to the net so that others can view it as well.

Thanks much,
-Tom
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From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
Subject: Re: Z-386/16 memory board upgrade info?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: crcnis1.1ebb9uINNb09
Distribution: inet
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

kent@wonderhog.eng.ufl.edu (Kent Phelps) writes:

>OK - here is the info you guys asked for.  To upgrade the Zenith 1 Meg card
>to a 4 Meg card do the following steps:

>		1) remove all the 256k memory chips
>		2) remove the memory chip sockets VERY CAREFULLY.
>		3) remove the solder from the holes for the 18 pin
>                   sockets ( the 18 pin holes are offset to the left )
>		4) install the 18 pin sockets
>		5) change U464 from a 444-558 to a 444-529
>		6) change U470 from a 444-559 (or a 444-670) to a 444-530
>		7) move R405 to R404
>		8) move R406 to R407
>		9) remove R410
>		10) 33 ohm resistors should be added at R14, R15, and R16
>		11) install the 1 Meg DIP chips

>Suffice it to say this modification is not for the light at heart.  Removing
>36 16-pin sockets and clearing the holes for 36 18 pin sockets should only
>be attempted by someone who is very familiar with proper soldering techniques.
>The 444-529 and the 444-530 can be purchased from ZDS and I assume any ZDS
>dealer.  You might even be able to get them from Heath.

This sounds very close to what I had done, but not exactly (and my system DOES
work and runs OS/2 2.0 fine) The minor difference is that rather than "adding"
the resistors in step 10, I moved them from their existing sites to the new
ones mentioned (or at least I presume Kent got the numbers right). So steps
7,8,9 follow correctly (by my method), except the resistor removed in 9) is
moved to another spot on the board, and I added no new resistors.

If there is sufficient interest, I can unearth the written instructions used
for my board. 

Note also that this, or a similar method, was published in the Zenith Users
Group magazine a little over a year ago. I can also get that reference out (I
think I know where it is). 

Kent is absolutely right, this operation is physically quite tricky. Removing
the dram sockets from the board is NOT easy. My board was damaged by using
brute force rather than finesse, and it took a while (along with knowing the
pin-outs for the drams) in order to put the patch wires on the back of the
board to make up for broken traces on the front! The board is multi-layer, and
it's quite easy to damage the traces.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
From: "james moutsos" <james.moutsos@canrem.com>
Subject: pinout for 386 turbosport
Reply-To: "james moutsos" <james.moutsos@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:54:09 EST

I have been looking for information on the pinout of the expansion
port on a Zenith 386 Turbosport. Does anyone know where I could find
this info ?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: HELP! Lost HD Memory!!!!!
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:30:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.074439.25854@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>It didnt work!  Believe it or not, It still says I have only 385K 
>of memory available, in both windows and dos.
>it tells me 41.8M total, 385 available.
>yet, in doing a directory by directory manual
>addition of used memory, I only come up with 27.3M in use!!!

Go thru your directories with a utility that shows hidden files. You most likley have a permanent swap file setup for 15-20 megs. If this is so go into the Main group and then the 386Enhanced options and then virtual memory and either set it up for a temporary swap file or make your permanant swap file smaller.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,comp.os.os2.misc
From: ravi@serss0 (Ravi Singh)
Subject: os/2 2.0 on a zenith
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:48:28 GMT

Most people keep telling me that OS/2 2.0 cannot run on any Zenith
386's or 386sx's. Can you tell me if this is true or not? 
If there is a way to do it, can someone send an explanation on it.
	Maybe there is a patch or something. Thanks in advance.

				Ravi 
			         	(like ravioli without the "oli")
From: sandman@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith
Subject: 181 peripherals
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:15:45 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club



I'm planning to upgrade from a Zenith Z-181 laptop to maybe a used Supersport
SX and am wondering how compatable the peripherals I have are.

I have an internal modem, external 5 1/4" floppy, and an rgb monitor.

Which, if any, of these can I use on newer zenith laptop models?

Thanks for any help

Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos