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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 20 Jan 1993 22:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: world
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
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Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
> Il Hwan Oh writes:
> > What we really should be pushing
> > for is for this city to pay for a decent transit system.

> Could you define what you mean by a ``decent transit system''?

Sure.

> If you believe Metro's propaganda, we already have an ``award-winning''
> transit system.  I don't know what sort of award -- possibly the ``best reason
> for using private transportation'' award? ;-)

No comment. :)

> I'd love to see a rail network, but I think they'll be buying space heaters in
> hell before we see a useful rail network in Seattle.  It's hard to dig a
> subway here, and the NIMBYs would make sure that only toy lines such as the
> waterfront trolley or the monorail ever get built (who else besides tourists
> use either???).

That's exactly what I mean by a decent transit system.  I was rather
envious at the description of the "awesome" subway system in Seoul, which
was in its infancy when I left in '75.  Even an antiquated one like the one
in New York was a joy to use.   I think that Seattle is in dire need of a
rail system.  They could start off small, like a line across Lake
Washington.  Then add things like lines going north and south to the major
suburbs.  Oh well...pipe dreams.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: E'coli -- "God's Revenge"?
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:08:05 GMT
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David Butler (alpinist@eskimo.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan20.180407.9941@fylz.wa.com> fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
: >I have heard so many times that AIDS is God's revenge for an unnatural
: >lifestyle.  Are these same people who said that saying that the
: >current e'coli epedemic in Seattle is God's revenge for eating
: >animals?
: 
: Maybe its the cow god.

I view it at Nature's revenge on the American people for
believing all Reagans's blather about "getting the Government
off the backs of the American people" and letting them get away 
with cutting the USDA inspection standards.

Look at what happens when you get too much bullshit in the
wrong place.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren)
Subject: Re: Where to change US to Canadian currency
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:01:49 GMT

das@emmapeel.ca.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

>Any opinions on which banks in Seattle have the best rate for exchanging
>US to Canadian dollars (and back)?

SeaFirst downtown, especially the two main branches that handle foreign
exchange, seems to give a fair rate for *all* non-USA currencies, including
Canadian dollars.  You will still lose something if you convert US to CAN
dollars, then convert back.  Love the way they try to get you coming and
going.

The best rate is not obtainable in a bank's lobby, in any case.  Your PLUS
Cirrus, or Exchange card is usable in Canada, especially the PLUS.  The rate
for getting money out of a bank machine (ATM) will be extremely close to
that quoted in the Wall Street Journal's foreign-exchange column for that
day; for a sufficiently large transaction, the service fee for using an
out-of-country machine will be less than 1% of the total.

In the case of PLUS or Cirrus, this is true all over the world; the PLUS
card has been useful in Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Canada, and the UK.
The more, the merrier!
-- 
Cherie
warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
...!uunet!bcstec!warrenc
From: jcomer@hardy.u.washington.edu (Justine Comer)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Full Size Mattress For Sale
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:18:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

I am moving this weekend (1/23-24) and so I *need* to get rid of this
mattress.  It is in perfect (like new) condition and it is very
comfortable (medium firmness). My sister paid about $150 for it new just a
year ago.  I previously posted an asking price of $85 and it really is
worth at least that, but make me an offer - I am a motivated seller!!

Please send email to jcomer@cac.washington.edu or call me at 869-0900.

By the way - the mattress is in Ballard.  Although I need to sell it this
weekend it can be held there until 1/30 if you could not pick it up until
then.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren)
Subject: Re: A non-smoking tavern
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:07:31 GMT

markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:

>Try the Blue Star on Stone Way just north of 45th. I've only been there
>once, and will go back. The food was even good (I'd have gone back a couple of
>times even if not, just to support the concept).

>Also Cutter's became nonsmoking throughout last year.

The Trolleyman Pub, in the Red Hook Brewery, is also non-smoking, the only one
(so far?) in the Fremont 'pub quarter' with this distinction.

The non-smoking movement seems to finally be penetrating outside of the USA
and Canada.  English pubs are starting to add non-smoking sections, a *big*
step for them, and similar things are happening in the EC countries; France
has enacted some surprisingly strict (and not surprisingly, hard to enforce)
anti-smoking regulations, although the cafe's and restaurants have been a
bit slow to react.
-- 
Cherie
warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
...!uunet!bcstec!warrenc
From: dianysos@raphael.u.washington.edu (Benjamin Andrews)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Non-Smoking Restaurants/Bars
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.56.203

In article <klg.728001231@bass> klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross) writes:
> 
> I decided to compile a list of non-smoking restaurants and bars. 

etc., etc...
> 
> -Kevin

I want to know where all the 'smoking permitted throughout' establishments  
are....
would you like to compile a list of these, too??
From: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Beware Precision Tune in Federal Way!
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:52:09 GMT
Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services


In article IKD@bcstec.ca.boeing.com, spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.172307.361@amc.com> john@amc.com (John Sambrook) writes:
>>>I will not bring my vehicle back there again, nor will I recommend them to
>>>anyone.
>>
>>I'll second this.  I took my truck to "Precision Tune" in Totem Lake about
>>two years ago and wasn't at all impressed with the service or the results.
>>
>
>I too had serious problems with Precision Tune . . . This one in Renton.  I
>only wanted a tune-up . . . But, they went ahead and performed over $125 of
>unauthorized repairs . . . and then the car didn't run properly.  A mechanic
>told me I had loose motormounts and a that my drive train was going bad . . . 
>Ironically, the car didn't even have a drive train!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Was this some sort of 'Candid Camera' gag where the engine/trans had been removed?
What did it have - a rubber band?  How did it produce power? How did it 
transfer that power to the wheels?  How did you get it to Precision Tune in the
first place - (are they at the bottome of a big hill?) :^)

Roland
 

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott)
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:02:58 GMT

Tracy Monaghan (monaghan@cac.washington.edu) wrote:

: According to Metro, including the $.10 fare increase next month, the
: average cost to the rider for riding Metro is $.12 per mile.

: According to AAA, the average cost for operating a car is $.35 per mile.

Accroding to Motor Trend, the cost to *operate* a car is far less than
what you've quoted.  Of course, Motor Trend does not include purchase
price in their computations, which I'm sure that AAA does.  Also, none
of these figures factor in the cost of your time, which is higher when
you take a bus.

Here's a few examples:

Car			    cents per mile
'92 Ford Chateau Club Wagon	 11.4
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi	  9.5
'92 Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL	  8.9
'92 Dodge Dakota V8 Club Cab 4x4  8.0
'93 Infinity J30		  7.9
'92 Subaru SVX			  7.9
'92 Buick Park Avenue Ultra	  7.6
'92 Cadillac STS		  7.0
'93 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited	  6.9
'92 Chevrolet Lumina VFV	  6.8
'93 Ford Escort GT		  6.2
'93 Mazda 929			  6.2
'92 Pontiac Grand Am GT		  6.1
'93 Honda Accord EX Wagon	  6.0
'92 Hyundai Elantra GLS		  5.3

What it boils down to is that if you are going to own a car anyway,
you might as well drive it because it is cheaper than taking the bus.

Glenn
-- 
Glenn E. Elliott               | Anyone who believes that what I say or do
Computing Systems Analyst      | represents the policies or procedures of
Boeing Computer Services       | The Boeing Company has more lawyers than
gee7759@eeidf002.ca.boeing.com | they have common sense.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: nick@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Nick Leiterman)
Subject: Re: Beware Precision Tune in Federal Way!
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
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Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:00:20 GMT

Robyn Spady (spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com) wrote:

   : I too had serious problems with Precision Tune . . . This one in Renton.  I
   : only wanted a tune-up . . . But, they went ahead and performed over $125 of
   : unauthorized repairs . . . and then the car didn't run properly.  A mechanic
   : told me I had loose motormounts and a that my drive train was going bad . . . 
   : Ironically, the car didn't even have a drive train!


What kind of car doesnt have a drive train?


-- 
     Nick Leiterman, Kent Washington
     nick@bcstec.boeing.com
     
     "International Harvester, anything else is just a car"
From: jdavids@calvin.seattleu.edu (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit System.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:28:45 GMT
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: seattle
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Bird ID?
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:09:18 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jeff Benedict (raoul@fangio.wa.com) wrote:
: My mother lives in the White Center area just half-way between the 
: Duwamish River and the Sound.  Every year for the last ten there has been 
: a pair of GB Herons living in a tree in the neighbor's back yard.  We 
: figure that it is a good, protected nesting area near two feeding areas- 
: Seola Beach just around the corner south of the Fauntleroy ferry terminal 
: and Kellog Island on the Duwamish.
: 
: It's quite a sight to see those big birds soaring through the home 
: neighborhood!

Don't leave out the noise.

"Grak, Grak, Graaaaaaaaaak"

It usually scares the first time hearer out of a couple of years
growth.

Another thing to look for (and listen for) are Red Tailed Hawks.
There seem to be a lot of them around this year.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: edm@halcyon.com (Ed Morin)
Subject: Recommendations for Wood Fence Construction/Repair
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:37:45 GMT

Does anybody have any recommendations for a good contractor for
repairing and/or constructing a new wood residential fence?

Thanks in advance,

Ed
-- 
Ed Morin
Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 (voice)
"Serving the Usenet community since 1987."
edm@nwnexus.WA.COM
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: Beware Precision Tune in Federal Way!
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:19:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.172307.361@amc.com> john@amc.com (John Sambrook) writes:
>>I will not bring my vehicle back there again, nor will I recommend them to
>>anyone.
>
>I'll second this.  I took my truck to "Precision Tune" in Totem Lake about
>two years ago and wasn't at all impressed with the service or the results.
>

I too had serious problems with Precision Tune . . . This one in Renton.  I
only wanted a tune-up . . . But, they went ahead and performed over $125 of
unauthorized repairs . . . and then the car didn't run properly.  A mechanic
told me I had loose motormounts and a that my drive train was going bad . . . 
Ironically, the car didn't even have a drive train!

After raising a ruckous and bailing my car out . . . I wrote the most
horrific letter to the main company back east . . . Ultimately, I was 
reimbursed for the unauthorized repairs.  While waiting for my money . . . I
was able to make many people in the main office very miserable . . . Some
vice-president later told me that EVERYONE at the Renton location had been
fired . . . I never bothered to confirm it though . . . They may have just
replaced them with more incompetent bozos.

I have kept my promise to Precision Tune . . . I have raked the reputation of
that company through the mud as often has I could.  I feel this is the easiet
way to get revenge . . . Tell as many people how bad it was . . . Ultimately,
a lot of potential business will not go there.



Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: busker@seanews.akita.com (matt blumenfeld)
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why C
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:36:27 GMT

del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:

> In <1jnc76INNq00@shelley.u.washington.edu> dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David
> 
> >Compared to most other cities of similar size, I'd have to say
> >Seattle's mass transit is pretty good.  A few years ago I was in
> 		[...]
> >a car.  After all, there's at least a half-dozen bus lines within
> >1/4 mile of my house, with buses leaving for someplace nearby every
> >few minutes during rush hour, every 15 minutes dirung weekdays,
> >and every half hour on weekends.  Yes, and both places were equally
> >far from major arterials.
> 
> You are one of the lucky ones.  I hadn't taken a bus for about 5 years
> when I decided to try it out this last Christmas.  (No, not Christmas
> day, the day before).  It will probably be at *least* 5 years before I
> take a Metro bus again.
> 
> I found myself at the Seattle Center when I wanted to go home.  I pulled
> out my trusty quarter and called Metro to find out route information to
> get home.  I live in Totem Lake (near Bothell/Woodinville).  Not more
> than a half mile from 405, and within a mile of several major arterials.
> I had to feed more quarters into the phone while the metronerd tried to
> figure out how to get me home.  It seems that Metro only runs direct
> routes to my neck of the woods during morning and afternoon rush hour.
> 
> The route I had to take was:  Take a bus from Center to bus tunnel.
> Transfer to bus to downtown Bellevue.  Transfer to bus to Totem Lake.
> Walk home.  Travel time: a little over two hours.  I can drive my car,
> park, and walk to a function at the Coliseum in 30 minutes!  Even in
> heavy traffic it doesn't take me more than an hour.
> 
> Mind you, Totem Lake isn't exactly a rural area.
> 
> -- 
> del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
>                           Who is John Galt?

Wow! I know what a hassle it can be to ride Metro, as I live in Juanita. 
Just for future reference, if the 255 is running, that will take you to 
Kingsgate, which should be pretty close to where you're going. (Or, at 
least, it should be an hour or two faster...) L8R...

Sig files?!?!?!? *WE* don' NEED no stinkin' Sig files!
busker@seanews.akita.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: busker@seanews.akita.com (matt blumenfeld)
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why C
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:38:36 GMT

del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:

> In <1993Jan22.205122.14187@ssc.com> fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
> 
> >In a book by Ernest Callenbach about making living choices (I forget the
> >name of the book) he points out that a realistic way to think about a car
> >is that you must add the time you work to support your car when you figure
> >how "fast" in gets you around.  His calculation showed that once the costs
> >of an average car (purchase, maintenance, insurance, parking, etc) was
> >paid for in the amount of time you needed to work to get the necessary
> >money that cars only transported you at about 6 miles per hour.
> 
> This calculation is, of course, only valid if the only reason you have
> a car is for commuting to and from work.  Assuming you would have a car
> regardless of it's use to go to/from work, the calculation cannot
> include purchase price.  Only mileage costs including parking and that
> portion of insurance and maintanence that is incrementally attributable
> to it's use for commuting may be included in the calculation.
> 
> -- 
> del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
>                           Who is John Galt?

Na, it's valid anyway. Anything you spend on your car has to be paid for. 
This includes insurance, gas, parking, etc.. You have to work to pay for 
this stuff. HOURS WORKED + HOURS DRIVING / MILES TRAVELLED = REAL SPEED.
Assuming this to be true, an older car goes faster, since the insurance 
is cheaper... :) :) :) L8R...

Sig files?!?!?!? *WE* don' NEED no stinkin' Sig files!
busker@seanews.akita.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: E'coli -- "God's Revenge"?
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:10:41 GMT

>>current e'coli epedemic in Seattle is God's revenge for eating
>>animals?
>
>Oh, aye, and Wednesday's big storm in Seattle divine retribution for the
>Clinton inauguration :-)

Here at Boeing we thought the Inauguration Day wind storm was evidence that
the Boeing Engineers (which had a one day strike on Tuesday) knew some higher
powers that be . . . Listen up Boeing!
From: allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: E'coli -- "God's Revenge"?
Summary: gods revengs
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:04:20 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

> >I have heard so many times that AIDS is God's revenge for an unnatural
> >lifestyle.  Are these same people who said that saying that the
> >current e'coli epedemic in Seattle is God's revenge for eating
> >animals?


Applying this further - - - Is the fact that I, as a bicyclist, can be able
to weave through traffic, or ride on the sidewalk to skip clogged traffic,
is God's blessing on me because I do not waste His resources? Same with my
ability to find virtually infinate free parking anywhere even during
Bumbershoot or Folklife??

Mark Allyn
From: kint@rio.engr.washington.edu (Rick Kint)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Non-Smoking Restaurants/Bars
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:51:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rio.engr.washington.edu

In article <klg.728001231@bass>, klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross) writes:
|> 
|> I decided to compile a list of non-smoking restaurants and bars. I know
|> that most places have a non-smoking section, but IMHO this merely pays
|> lip-service to the reality that smoke knows no boundries.

	The Times recently quoted an anti-smoking activist's dismissal of
non-smoking sections:  would you have a swimming pool with a urinating section
and a non-urinating section?

RK
From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:39:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

Compared to most other cities of similar size, I'd have to say
Seattle's mass transit is pretty good.  A few years ago I was in
Denver for a week.  Knowing that where'd I'd be staying is about
as far from downtown Denver as my house is from downtown Seattle
(and both cities are roughly the same size), I decided not to rent
a car.  After all, there's at least a half-dozen bus lines within
1/4 mile of my house, with buses leaving for someplace nearby every
few minutes during rush hour, every 15 minutes dirung weekdays,
and every half hour on weekends.  Yes, and both places were equally
far from major arterials.

I got to Denver and "WHAT?!?  Only ONE lousy bus route nearby with
at least NINETY minutes between each bus?  And NO express routes
to downtown at all??"  Needless to say, I rented a car the next
day.

However, I would not give Metro the award for the best transit
system.  Portland's Tri-Met is way ahead of us (PDX is smaller than
Seattle, and ALREADY has a light rail system IN PLACE), and would
probably get my award.

Maybe they gave Tri-Met the award for several years in a row, got
bored, and decided to pick Metro just to change things a bit.
-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
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From: rehm@rust.zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)
Subject: Benefit Concert for United Farm Workers of WA, 2/13/93
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:22:00 GMT

From Flying Fish and Collector Records, UFW of WA presents:

	             ****  John O'Connor ****
  *** In Concert To Benefit United Farm Workers of Washington State ***
           
                Songs, Stories, Politics, and Humor

	        Saturday, February 13, 1993, 7:30 p.m.
             IBEW #46 Hall, 2700 First Ave., Seattle, WA
          $7 advance / $8 at door / $5 senior, low-income, student

   "...wonderful: direct, simple, singable, powerful..." [Si Kahn]

   "...This is good music, good poetry, good history..." [Utah Phillips]

    Sponsored by the Seattle Farm Work Support Task Force,
    a project of the Church Council of Greater Seattle &
    Pacific NW Labor History Association


Tickets available at Elliot Bay Books, Red and Black Books, or 
call (206) 322-6933.

United Farm Workers of Washington ask you to BOYCOTT Lane-Stimson wines
(Chateau Ste. Michelle, Columbia Crest, Farron Ridge, Conn Creek,
Villa Mt. Eden, V.M. Whitebye, Snoqualmie, and Saddle Mtn.) in support
of the UFW's efforts to gain collective bargaining rights for
farm workers in Washington.



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From: rehm@zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)