From: jwest@wisc (Jeff West)
Subject: Re: Believers: What Would Make You Not Believe In GOD?
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Date: 11 Jan 93 17:32:33 CST

b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
: devil to worry me with unanswerable questions, and take up my time when
: I could be off working on personal communicators, which each of us could
: wear all the time and stay online in real time, and become a "super-team," 
: a greater entity beyond anything ever seen on earth before.

1.) How do you ever get anything else done with all the posting you do
    just to this newsgroup alone?
2.) Please go work on your communicator.

: You likely want people to doubt God. Since you just feel numb to things 
: like faith, everyone else must be fooling themselves. Like how everyone
: says they aren't "stimulated" by the same sex, other sex, animals, cars,
: leather, silk, porn and erotica, food, vibrators, danger, earthy smells,

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: just don't know -- tomorrow could bring some torment for all of us 
: beyond anything that has ever been imagined. There is no way to know
: it's not so....

Didn't you say that you "doesn't have anything figured out"?
Sounds like your pretty certain of all the previous assinine allegations
you've just made.  Divine inspiration lately?

: otherwise, if you are actually convinced that there is no GOD? If I 
: believed there was no GOD, well --- I'd be planning how to cause 
: or be out causing "accidents," which change society and politics. Like
: poisoning foods and derailing trains. I could become rich, just by
: jerking with the stock market, and there would be nothing worthwhile in
: having this discussion. 

More complete delusion's and plain offensive bullshit about atheism.
Your Sick Steve.

: And If you really get your kicks out of screwing with people's minds
: then you could do that elsewhere than in alt.atheism. Which is afterall
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Then PLEASE DO IT!

: a place each of us come to willingly. Even if only to hone our logic or
: rhetorical skills. Easier that speculation is just to ask you. Why
: trouble though, I'll just take you at your word. 

This is NOT the place to come if all you want to do is hone your logic
skills.  The statement, "There is no god", isn't a statement of logic
as you seem to think.  It's our belief based soley on the lack of any
evidence to the contrary.  This is not alt.debate.

: I believe you have a hard time distinguishing between "choosing"
: and "believing." They both seem like acts of will, right?? And an
: act of will is an act of will no matter what you call it. So 
: choosing to believe is believing in belief. Which is irrational?
: Even if it is funny.

I believe you have a hard time distinguishing in reality and you self
serving concept of it.  Are you trying to be insulting because nothing
else has worked here Steve?

: Ok. Ok. This is preachy. "Self-certainty" is preachy.

You are nothing but a pompose,,,, Naw I'd flame more but I get the feeling
that you get off on it.  Bottom line Steven is that you've come to the
wrong place to push this garbage.  Just take it as not being wanted and
please go away.  Please?

:       /
:   ---J---
:     /
:    |  Stephen   "So ask GOD, I can't change your mind for you."

Jeff

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