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From: mdf@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: making backing trax with MIDI or QY10
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:21:20 GMT
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta

I am just getting started with midi.  I sing often with pre-recorded
trax, and I would like to record my own background music.  What songs do
you have?  What kind of midi software are you using?  Any info that can
help me get going would be greatly appreciated.

Mike Fox - HP Response Center
   email:     mdf@hpuerca.atl.hp.com
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Concert volume (was Re: Is a certain type of music bad?)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 06:13:57 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

bproden@ualr.edu writes:

> In article <1992Oct1.202038.2515@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, anderson@cs.rose-hulman
> > 
> > This is a real problem.  I really want to take my children to concerts.  Bu
> > it seems that at almost every concert, the volme is so loud that it hurts  
> > their ears (mine too, but I am more sensitive about theirs).  
> > 
>    (stuff deleted)
> > 
> > Do other people share my feelings?  Is there some way we can convince these
> > performers that we would like to maintain the ability to hear their music  
> > for a long time?  That the volume they would use at an outdoor concert may 
> > not be appropriate for a church auditorium or small theater?
 
Yes, I've been to a few small concerts, and my ears hated them.  I can't 
stand the noise level.  I've already got tinnitus (ringing in the ears), 
but it's not from music.  I really don't know how I got it, I can 
remember having since I was a child.  It's not too bad though, I can only 
hear it when there is absolutely NO noise anywhere (even my computer is 
blocking out the ringing right now!).  So, I will probably never go to 
another concert.  Someone suggested earplugs, do they work well?  I'm 
just so sensitive about my hearing, I don't want to make this tinnitus 
any worse.  
 
Titan
From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Seattle-based Christian bands (was Re: Looking for Soundgarden-style)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:08:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep30.160832.9306
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Sep29.171525.7398@unislc.uucp> merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk) writes:
>I asked:
>
>> I'm wondering if there are any Christian bands yet with the
>> "Seattle Sound", ie. grunge?
>
>And got the following responses (Thanks everyone!):
>
>DigHayZooSE
>Applehead
>Ragman
>Die Happy
>
>I've got "Struggle Fish", but my local Christian bookstore never heard of the
>other 3.  So, I'm wondering if I can order Applehead and Die Happy from 
>one of the mail-order places.  Also, Phil, could you either post or e-mail
>the ordering info for the Ragman demo?
>
>A related question: What about Seattle-based Christian bands, any style?
>There is obviously a lot of music in that town.  What are the Christians
>up to?
>

Well John, the 8/92 CCM has this:
"Another kind of Sound Garden from Seattle:"

'In Reach' debut release on Star Song: Waterline.

Should already be in the stores.
Musical Influences:  Rush, Genesis, Deep Purple, Paul McCartney, Journey.

No, I haven't heard their stuff yet, but:
"Frankly a lot of Christian music right now is pretty much following what the
world is doing", explains (Scott) Burrell.  "I would like us and more artists
to do something new in music . . ."

Maybe there is hope? ;-)

--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
	  Unaware that the struggle is the blood of the proof;
	      In choosing to believe, the unbelievable truth.
		Orphans Of God / Mark Heard / Satellite Sky
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:19:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct5.213118.17730@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>
>Free will is largely overrated.
>

I'd like to get this on a poster.



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Metallica
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:12:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>>I like Metallica. Now, I'm a registered Republican, besides the fact 
>that I'm a Christian, so I don't agree with their views politically or
morally.
>
>
>Just curious...  What does being a Republican have to do with disliking
>Metallica's moral standpoint?

Nothing -- why do you ask? Yours wasn't by any chance a knee-jerk post,
was it? If you reread his/her (what happened to the name?) post slowly
this time, you might see that it goes something like this: I'm a Christian,
and don't agree with Metallica's views morally, and I'm also a Republican,
so I don't agree with their views politically either.  


Reading it slowly is not going to improve your logic:

What we have here is:  Repub. + Xian = DiagreeMorally + DisagreePolitically.

This does NOT imply that Repub. = DisagreePolitically 
or that Xian = DiagreeMorally.

Your statement is equivalent to stating that, just because 3+4 = 2+5, that
3= 2 and 4=5.  You can't just "separate the terms" like that


>>Metallica's
most recent album certainly sets off my moral offensometer in some places, so
I can definitely understand your disagreement with their views on that basis,


Then I ask you the same question:  Why?!  Let's see some cited quotations 
from the album.  Personally, I see parallels between "Holier Than Thou"
and Matthew 7-- even a direct quote.

Could your disapproval of the album lie within the song "The God That 
Failed?"   I think (not 100% sure) that James Hetfield's parents were
Xian Scientists, and i heard that he harbored resentment against some of
their beliefs...

bk

-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:22:39 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: The Awful Truth question

  Well, I finally called up the CD store around Penn State and asked if they
had The Awful Truth in stock. Of course not...good bands aren't on the shelf
when you want them! Right? Anyway, I ordered the CD so it should be here by
next week, but a good review by other Awful Truth fans would be great. I'd
like to hear about different aspects about the band....
                                 any and all information will be
                                 greatly appreciated. Thanks...

                                     -Ed

 ======================================================================
             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
 "There are two ways to be, and truth does not depend on me." -King's X
 ======================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Chi Trib's thoughts on MWS
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:32:30 GMT

Since everyone (including myself) has been giving their opinions on
_Change_Your_World_, I thought that the group might be interested in what a
big-time, secular newspaper said about it in its music reviews.

The writer is the same guy who has interviewed a couple Christian artists for
the paper and gave a very good review to _Unseen_Power_.

This is copied without permission from the Chicago Tribune, Thursday, September
17, 1992.  Section 5, Page 7.

Michael W. Smith Change Your World (Geffen) ** (2 stars)
  Amy Grant's ex-keyboardist followed the Christian diva into the pop charts
last year with "Place In This World."  And if titles alone guaranteed success,
Michael W. Smith would have it made.  On this new album, Smith titles it
"Change You World" and adds songs "Out Of This World" and "I Wanna Tell The
World" for good measure.  Either Smith is hedging his bets, or the music
industry is rationing titles.  Smith's world-ly aspirations to duplicate his
former employer's success have much marketing clout going for it, but his
talents are modest.  He's toned down the Christian lyrics in his bid for a
breakthrough, and what's left is a slick blend of dance pop paired to warm,
fuzzy sentiments like harmony on "Love One Another" and racial peace on "Color
Blind" ("Why can't we be color blind?").  It's pretty pedestrain schmaltz, but
you can still expect "Picture Perfect," "Love One Another," "I Will Be Here For
You" and a bland duet with Grant, "Somewhere Somehow," to head for the Top 10.
					Patrick Kampert

While on this subject, I'd like to respond to the thread that tried to say that
Change Your World can be considered a biblical album which I started with my
review of the album that said that it's not.  This -is- a moral album, but it's
not a biblical album.  Guess what, moral people are going to Hell without Jesus
(the one thing MWS seems to "forget" to add to this album).

Also, I liked the guy who would have you believe that "Love One Another" is the
greatest commandment.  Nice try, but wrong.  In fact, it's not even second.
The first is to love your God (not money, popularity, or main stream success)
with ALL your heart and mind.  Second is to love your neighbor (who is
everybody) as yourself.  The command to Love One Another is a new commandment
given by Jesus to the people attending the Last Supper.  The purpose of this
command is that through this love all men may know that they are followers of
Christ.  Now given "Smith's world-ly aspirations," why does he add this song or
at least clarify that this only applies or will work for Christians?

				Only Jesus Christ can Change Your World,

				Richard M. Bennema

--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:09:32 GMT

In article <1asghrINN6uq@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>What I keep hearing is, "Here are some things you can do to protect your  
>ears from the concerts."  Back to my original question:  Can a Christian
>legitimately produce a noise level that is damaging to the hearer?
>Should we HAVE to protect ourselves from Christian music?  Or
>is it the responsibility of the sound crew to keep it at a level
>that doesn't cause pain?  Is there any legitimate purpose (other
>than being like many of the world's musicians) for having it loud enough 
>to hurt?

It all depends on a) the size of the place, b) where you are sitting, c) how
well (evenly) the sound is distributed, and, of course, d) what you consider 
to be "loud." Depending on the music, I find the point just below my pain
threshhold to be ideal.


Topher
-- 
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From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: what's kerry livgren up to?
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:47:21 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <92277.151351TMW108@psuvm.psu.edu>, Tom <TMW108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Has anyone heard any news about Kerry and any current projects?
> I'd be most appreciative of any info.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> tom.

Well, I'm assuming that since it's being advertised all over Memphis that
Kansas is playing a reunion tour (or something like that) at Club 6-1-6, that
he is, well, touring. I also saw him on the Rachel Rachel video for "Carry On
My Wayward Son." Otro than that, I know nutsing.

							Richard Vance
From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael Card Concert Review (was Re: Card/Keaggy Tix for Sale)
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:53:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <1992Oct2.105421.16616@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:

>Was Phil Keaggy's appearance actually stamped on your ticket, etc?  I 
>have asked and been assured he is going to be at this one.

A friend and I picked up our tickets at the concert and I didn't even
take a good look at the ticket.  However, the poster for this concert
did have Phil Keaggy's name on it, so I assumed he was playing.  This
may not have been the fault of the organizers at Carmel, because the
contract you sign with Michael Card (or Creative Trust) forces you to
order posters from a particular printing shop (that makes all the
posters for the tour).

Carl
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon NUNIS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:54:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Michael Card's <The Word>
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

i have to agree with you completely.

i think the WORD album is absolutely FANTABULISTIC!!!

simon  ;)
From: Mark Conti
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W on Regis and Kathy Lee
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:43:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: onondaga.east.sun.com

In article 717260177@cunews, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>Hmmm...looks like Smitty put on a bit of weight, or was it just the 19
>layers of clothing he was wearing?
>
>I got the impression that Kathy Lee Gifford is a Christian? Anyone
>confirm or deny this?
>
>>
>Michael


 In our Sunday Parade magazine, someone asked if she was Jewish. They said she
was a Hebrew Christian. Her parents are Born again but she is not a "church go'er"
although she prays with her son every night. 
---
Mark Conti	

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: MWS CYW
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:02:32 GMT

According to Billboard, the people at Geffen expect may hits from Change your 
world. "I think we'll still be working it next Christmas"

Picture Perfect is the second single release (After I will be here for you)

jp
From: megan@yuma.ColoState.EDU (Megan Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Could someone explain (another Amy song)
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:21:10 GMT
Reply-To: megan@yuma.ColoState.EDU (Megan Stewart)
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Sep25.232825.19188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>
> On the topic of Amy songs -- 
> could someone explain "I will remember you." (heart in motion).
> is this about an old friend? a boyfriend/lover?
> Sometimes when I hear this song I think of someone who is married and
> who is thinking of an old flame. Perhaps I'm crazy on this, so I wonder.

I had the same impression when I first listened to this song.  When I
listened a little further, though, I decided the "old flame" IS her
husband.  The song is a little ambiguous, possibly intentionally so.

The reason I think she's talking about her husband, is the third "stanza"
(it's not really a verse, since the melody changes) says:

Later on
When this fire is an ember
Later on
When the night's not so tender
Given time
Though it's hard to remember darlin'
I will be holding
I'll still be holding to you
I will remember you

Now, granted, she could be clinging to her old flame because her own
marriage has become less exciting, so there is still some ambiguity,
but I think it is cleared up in the last verse:

So many years come and gone
And yet the memory is strong
One word we never could learn
Goodbye
True love is frozen in time
I'll be your champion and you will be mine
I will remember you
etc.

This implies to me that she and her "old flame" were so much in love
that they were never able to part company, and are still together as
husband and wife.  Kinda romantic, huh?

Megan Stewart
megan@yuma.acns.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Looking for Soundgarden-style Christian Band
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.171525.7398@unislc.uucp> merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk) writes:
>I asked:
>
>> I'm wondering if there are any Christian bands yet with the
>> "Seattle Sound", ie. grunge?
>
>And got the following responses (Thanks everyone!):
>
>DigHayZooSE
>Applehead
>Ragman
>Die Happy
>
>I've got "Struggle Fish", but my local Christian bookstore never heard of the
>other 3.  So, I'm wondering if I can order Applehead and Die Happy from 
>one of the mail-order places.  Also, Phil, could you either post or e-mail
>the ordering info for the Ragman demo?

Well, all I can manage is the address for another band that's real good
friends with Ragman, they're dodavahu.. they're in the grunge vein also, a
Christian band from the MD-Delaware border.. they have one demo out but I
am not sure if it's still available since they're signed to R.E.X. Records
and start recording their debut album in October.. you can reach dodavahu
(and possibly Ragman as well) at: dodavahu, c/o Matt Kenenske, 11 Thatch
Ct., Elkton, MD  21921...

>
>A related question: What about Seattle-based Christian bands, any style?
>There is obviously a lot of music in that town.  What are the Christians
>up to?

Bloodgood is touring, that's about all that I know of Seattle-based
Christian bands.. Arbitrage is from Lynden WA near the Canadian border
and their second demo "The Healing Power of Death", will be out shortly.
Arbitrage is heavy gothic industrial thrash...


>
>John
>
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From: rich@oieng.mke.ab.com (Richard B. Ralston)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Concert volume (was Re: Is a certain type of music bad?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:38:42 GMT
	<tcryal.718327217@vincent2.iastate.edu>
Reply-To: <rich@oieng.mke.ab.com> (Rich Ralston)
Organization: Allen-Bradley Co., Milwaukee, WI


When DC Talk and MW Smith were here in Milw, we went to see them (mostly to
see DC Talk, but Mike's ok.  8^)

I'd planned to bring ear plugs but forgot. (ouch!)  Actually, the music
wasn't the worst part (though it was plenty loud!), it was the three
teen-age girls behind us screaming in the ultra-sonics that really hurt!
(Guess I'm just getting old! 8^)

ttfn,
rich
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Well, it's ok to murder babies/but we really ought to save the whales!
From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: LSU/Breakfast w/ Amy
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:14:21 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

> they have new versions of One and Ad America on love gift? Ad America
> is one of my favorite rainy day songs... one thing for sure, you'll
> never again be able to look at a Christian T-Shirt without gagging 
> after you hear "Mermelstein and the Disappearing Sink".

Yeah, they got it. And it's a cool (for lack of a more appropriate word) "mix." 
And the version they have of One is live! Also played live is Social Studies
(from their primero album). Speaking of "Mermelstein and the Disappearing 
Sink," I'd hate to be the guy who would have to commit THOSE lyrics to paper!
Have to find some method of showing which words are being said at the SAME
TIME. Oh, well. And why do people tell me "How are you doing," when what they
really mean is "paper or plastic?"
							Richard Vance
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.145052.16979@viewlogic.com>, tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
|> 
|> Howdy all.  I'm looking for some advice on this situation...
[stuff deleted]
|> I would like to be able to provide a way for them to hear different
|> artists/styles without having to purchase new tapes.  Since I don't
|> believe in copying full albums, that is not an option for me.  However,
|> I've been wondering if it was "o.k." to create a sampler tape containing
|> one or two songs from various artists.  This would allow people to get
|> an idea what each artist sounds like, without giving them access to the
|> full album.  I believe this would not take away from album sales for
|> these artists, but rather help them out by exposing them to more 
|> potential buyers.  However, I'm just not sure if this is moral/legal or 
|> not.  
|> 
|> What do you say?

   Technically, even copying a single song for someone else is
illegal.

-- Tim