HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helms
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:09:44 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

1. It would be very interesting if Kamel el Assaad wins. Maybe he's 
   better than the pro-Syrians or the pro-Iranians.

2. You say:
   "He (Aoun) and his 
    supporters never remembered the south when it was and still being bombed
    everyday by Israel and its supporters."

(What you say is far from the truth, everything I have heard
 from Gen. Aoun before and after he was toppled by Syria does not 
 support your claim)
(As a matter of fact your attitude doesn't make things any simpler, 
 your statements probably manage to alienate even more people who may
 otherwise feel sympathetic)
(Each area of Lebanon has its own set of problems, and until the solution
 is approached globally as to what is the best for all
 of Lebanon, things will probably stay the same.)
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:21:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep10.102905.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep9.135102.10859@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:
|> > In article <Dfq-LJB@engin.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
|> > : 
|> However it is natural
|> for people to vote for her as a show of appreciation for what her brother Mr.
|> Hariri has done for the whole lebanon....

Walla, that's a good reason.. 
I should legally change my name to Hariri one day and go back to Lebanon :-)
Seems that name is hip, and could open many doors :-)

Jokingly, Elie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no
Subject: I accept!
Organization: UiO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:14:46 GMT

In article <d+t-xa-@engin.umich.edu> hani@pepper.engin.umich.edu (Hani
Abinassif) writes:
>

etc. etc.


>No ELie.  You better come to terms with reality.

OK. I will, I accept that this is reality!

>-Hani


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 6 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.233319.31240@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes...
>sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Sep11.043617.26161@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
> 
>>[stuff deleted]
> 
>>Elie Hobeika won too. I guess the people were rewarding him for his past 
>>actions. Hehe he was even elected on a date so close to the anniversary of the 
>>Sabra and Shatila massacres that it's almost funny.
>>In case you don't remember, it happened on the night of Thursday September 16
>>1982.
> 
>Hobeika is not a member of the group that ordered the massacres in
>Sabra and Shatila anymore.  I presume you would rather fault the guy

humm..

>thing.  Listen, you can view his win not as much as a win for him but
>really as a defeat to those he dissented with.  I bet you that was why
>people voted him in.  Hobeika is an anti-Kuwwat symbol and people who
>have voted for him probably cared more for that symbol and less for
>his personage.  Sounds about right to me.

wa dawini billati kannat hiya a-daa

This is not even funny: rummaging in the trashcan to find a fruit a little
less rotten than the others will hardly give you a healthy meal.

And this voting against someone instead of for a program seem negative to me.

>+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
>|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
>| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
>+------------------------------------+--------------------------+

alex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: Free Lebanon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:49:20 GMT
X-Posted-From: apache.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep11.043617.26161@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:

[stuff deleted]


>Isn't it a fact that the Hariri people have kept Lebanon's vital
>institutions functioning at a time where almost everybody else was
>busy destroying them!?  If nothing, Mrs. Hariri will be a refreshing
>symbol of construction and prosperity, to say the least.  We all need
>that.

What the brother has done, has absolutely nothing to do with the sister's 
qualifications for being an MP. Or are the Hariri's going to build another
feudal clan?  It is sad the we keep coming to the same old rotten mentality
again and again.

[stuff deleted]

>enough reason" for you?  Besides, she won.  I guess this clearly means
>it was a good enough reason for the wise people back home.


Elie Hobeika won too. I guess the people were rewarding him for his past 
actions. Hehe he was even elected on a date so close to the anniversary of the 
Sabra and Shatila massacres that it's almost funny.
In case you don't remember, it happened on the night of Thursday September 16
1982.

[rest of stuff deleted]


Boudi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Gunmen kidnap Christian militia official
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:41:03 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Tue, 15 Sep 92 4:04:38 PDT ]

	BEIRUT, Lebanon (UPI) -- Unidentified gunmen kidnapped an official of
the mainstream Christian Phalange Party in Beirut Tuesdsay in an
incident that could be related to the group's boycott of the Lebanese
general elections, police sources said.
	Ten gunmen in two cars intercepted Butros Khawand, Phalange Politburo
member, near his house in the neighborhood of Horsh Tabet in Christian
east Beirut at 9:10 a.m., the sources said.
	The gunmen fired shots in the air and drove Khawand, 53, to an
unknwon destination, they said.
	Lebanese Army sources said the reasons behind his kidnapping were not
immediately known but suggested that it could be linked to ``some
political conflicts'' because of the group's boycott of the legislative
elections which took place last month.
	The polls were suspended in the Christian district of Kesrouwan
because of lack of candidates who responded to the Phalange call for
withdrawing their nominations to protest holding the polls.
	But a determined Lebanese government called on the Christian
candidates and electorates to take part in the Kesrouwan elections
scheduled on Oct. 6.
	Phalange leader George Saadeh, who resigned last month from his post
as minister of communications, urged President Elias Hrawi to arrest the
culprits and ``put an end to the security negligence in the country.''
From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Phase Three Elections
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:46:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.188lgaINNha
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: syntest.ces.cwru.edu

Phase three elections will start this week end.  There will be two
major lists, Berri's and Ass'ad's.  Predictions are that Berri will
make it with Assa'd penetrating Berri's list.  That is what I heard
back there so no flames :).  Now, Berri's list has the following
people: 

Zahrani: Berri, Michel Moussa, Ali 'Assyran.
Tyre: Ali Khalil, Mohamed Fneish, Mohamed Baydoun, Ahmad Ajami
Bint Jbeil: Hassan 'Alawiye, Abdallah Al Amine, Ayoub Hmayid
Nabatiye: Abdul Ltif Zein, Imad Jaber, Mohamed Ra'd.
Marje'youn: Anwar Khalil, Habib Sadik, Ass'ad Hirdein, Sai'd Assa'd,
Ahmad Sweid.
Saida: Bahia Hariri (Rafiq Hariri sister) and Ghassan Hamoud
Jezzine: Nadim Salem, Samir 'Azzar, Sleiman Ken'an.

I don't know Assa'd List so sorry for the curious :)

-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: Re Lebanon net
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:29:24 GMT

 hammoud@cicb.fr (Mustapha Hammoud) writes:
>des telecommunications au Liban est detruite. A mon avis il faut
>au moins 4 ans pour qu'on commence a penser a construire un reseau 
>informatique au Liban.

Four years? Why four?
An X.25 packet switching network has been installed in Lebanon, so a "reseau 
informatique" is readily available.
In a few months you'll be able to send email to AUB. It will take a few more
months to setup an internal network between the major universities in Lebanon.
But anyway, I think the original poster wanted to know about Lebnet, which is
a mailing list. Join by sending email to lebnet@ctr.columbia.edu

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:13:14 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:19:17 PDT ]

	SIDON, Lebanon (UPI) -- Lebanon's third and last phase of general
elections in southern Lebanon Tuesday brought more warlords and Muslim
fundamentalists to Parliament.
	According to official results released Tuesday afternnon, the 22-
member list headed by the pro-Syrian Shiite Amal movement leader Nabih
Berri scored a sweeping victory, defeating feudal lord and former House
Speaker Kamel Assad.
	Bahiya Hariri, sister of Lebanese-born Saudi tycoon Rafic Hariri who
was running on Berri's list, won the largest number of votes.
	Mustafa Saad, the blind leader of the Sunni People's Liberation Army
militia, won one of the 23 seats in southern Lebanon.
	Saad lost his sight in a car bomb explosion in the southern port city
of Sidon in 1985. His daughter was killed and his wife severely wounded
in the blast.
	Two candidates of the pro-Iranian Hezbollah were among the winners,
bringing the total number of Hezbollah deputies in the new Parliament to
eight.
	Among the winners were five Christian candidates, two Amal Politburo
members, a Communist Party activist and a member of the Baath Party.
	As soon as the results came out, Saad's supporters took to the
streets in this southern port city, chanting slogans in support of their
leader.
	In the nearby refugee camp of Ein El Helweh, jubilant Palestinian
guerrillas fired machineguns and rocket-propelled grenades into the air.
	The winning candidates in southern Lebanon were strong advocates of
liberating the Israeli-occupied ``security zone,'' which Israel
established to curb cross-border guerrilla infiltration attempts in
1985.
	The 9-mile security zone is patroled by 1,000 Israeli servicemen and
their 2,500-member South Lebanon Army militia.
	Israeli troops and SLA militiamen banned four people from returning
to the border zone after they took part in the southern Lebanon polls,
according to police reports Tuesday.
	Police said they refused to allow a family of four from crossing the
Zimraya passageway linking the ``security zone'' to the village of
Hasbaya late Monday.
	They confiscated their ``laissez-passer'' and ordered them to remain
in the Government-controlled areas, the police said.
	On Sunday, SLA commander Gen. Antoine Lahd ordered his militiamen to
close all passageways and threatened those who crossed the border to
vote with banishment from the security zone.

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:29:05 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


In article <1992Sep9.135102.10859@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:
> In article <Dfq-LJB@engin.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
> : 
> : 	Bahiya Hariri, sister of Lebanese-born Saudi tycoon Rafic Hariri who
>  	^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : was running on Berri's list, won the largest number of votes.
> : 	Mustafa Saad,...........
> :	..........
> 
> 
> 	Is it true that Bahiya Hariri offered $2000.00 for each
> 	person that votes in her favor , and that she paid for 
> 	round trip plane tickets for some Lebanese in Saudi Arabia
> 	to vote for her as well ? 
> 
 Since the largest percentage of population that voted was in the south about
75% according to official numbers which is about 200,000 votes that means that
Mrs. Hariri had to pay 200 million dollars or 0.2 billion and I know and every
body knows that the lebanese parliment is not worth it.  However it is natural
for people to vote for her as a show of appreciation for what her brother Mr.
Hariri has done for the whole lebanon and all lebanese when lebanon needed it
the most. not to mention thousands of lebanese student in lebanon and abroad
with HARIRI foundation loans. AUB is still there because of donations by the
Foundation. Streets of Beirut as well as other areas of lebanon were rebuild
after the Invasion of 1982 by the foundation and the list goes on.

I hope next time that you find a better rumor.


>  Walid
>  -----
REgards A. Fardoun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Jesse Helms (AOUN and the south)
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.100129.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

with some discussion we find out that we are in agreement on very many points.

I do not care for Slaymeen Frangieh nor Salim el-Hoss nor Hrawi nor Bashir
Gemayel nor Aoun.

What I care for is Lebanon.

If Hrawi officially does not call the Syrian "presence" "occupation" then Hrawi
can stuff it!

What do he Lebanese call this presence?

I know that for me and for most of the Lebanese I know it is an occupation.

Just as at first I used to call the Israeli INAVSION of Lebanon, "an operation
to rid Lebanon of the PLO". How Naive I was! We should learn to call things by
their right name!

An occupation is an occupation, one evil does not justify another.

The asnwer rests in us Lebanese, not Syria, not Israel, nor Hrawi nor Aoun nor
the Pope.

We should define what we want.

here, I would not have many problems signing under the list of demands that you
mentioned in your post.

>A. Fardoun
>


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag)
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:34:07 GMT

In article <BuC3DC.H71@ecf.toronto.edu> hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag) writes:
>
>Wow, $2000.00/vote...gosh....people down there do it for $50 
>and some waited till the end of the election day and got 
>$100.00.  And i did see it done :)).
>
>
>Samir.
>
>
>

 A point of clarification, It was not during the elections in the south that 
I saw that. It was in Beirut and it was for one of the smaller candidates,
I think it was Wahaj sheikh Moussa, and  he was only going by a well respected
lebanese tradition.... :).

Samir. 
-- 
==============================================================================
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: World Banks Report on China Environment
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:47:37 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Sep6.213501.15667@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>To the West, there is a mandate that something should be wrong, if not
>economy, it must be something like environment, to make Westeners feel good 
>about themselves.

Oh rubbish (pun intended) !  Have you been back to China recently ?
I was there in 1988 and I can tell you the place is dirty, even in the
tourist areas !  In many places there are no public rubbish bins.  There
are people collecting rubbish alright, just Aluminum cans because they
can be recycled but beyond that all I see is blue and white plastic bags
everywhere.  Do you know how long it take for plastic bags to decompose ?

There are now more cars and motorcycles, I was walking around Canton and
every building and overpass was black.  I've been told that if you walk
around Shanghai and start off with a clean shirt then within an hour
your shirt collar is black.  What more evidence of pollution do you
want ?  

You think after so many years of environmental damages in the West that
China would learn something, no, money that's the most important thing.
Give it another ten years and then start counting how many lung cancer
cases you are going to have.  Count how many premature births.  Count
how many deformed childern....

Oh yes the West is always wrong isn't it...
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Kenneth T Leong)
Subject: Hong Kong
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:52:17 GMT

Hi, I used to go to HK once every few years or so. I live in Australia.
I used to like going there a lot because there was a really good Hong
Kong atmosphere (if you know what I mean). But now, I feel that Hong
Kong has changed a lot, and is not the 'same' Hong Kong as it used to be
even 10 years ago. I've talked to many friends from Hong Kong and they
say that they have noticed this change.
I am not saying that the above is bad, but miss the old Hong Kong.

Does anyone else feel the same?


from Kenny Leong
eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: Gary.Moh@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gary Moh)
Subject: Priscilla Chan
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:15:00 GMT


are you guys serious about this?? Priscilla Chan is studying in
Syracuse University?? that's 45 miles from where I am...

Gary
gmoh@csnext.colgate.edu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jchow@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Johnny Chow)
Subject: Advance unix command ...
Originator: jchow@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:20:30 GMT

I heard for several times from different people that there  is  a
program written in C  can be installed into your directory.  Then
whenever people "finger" you, your directory  can   automatically
save    the   person's  name for you. Could anybody show  me  the
technique of it? Thank you very much.
From: gwang@uts.amdahl.com (George Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Japan fans?
Keywords: Japan David Sylvian
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:34:00 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hi,


	Just wondering if there are any Japan or David Sylvian fans 
on the net.



					-George-
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: World Banks Report on China Environment
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Sep10.200955.9493@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>Come on, 1988 was ages ago.  I was in ShenZhen last Christmas and

That's ShenZhen.   What about other cities ?

>found the places extremely clean.  The bathroom is so clean and
>they have people in every public bathroom in the tourist area to
>serve tourists.  I haven't found cleaner bathrooms in anywhere else.

Yes the bathrooms might be clean but what about how they treated the
sewerage ?  Do they just let in run into the sea untreated ?
Do they recycle ?
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: uril@yang.earlham.edu (Uri J. Lessing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: John Woo Films!
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:58:57 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Hello,
I am a big fan of Hong Kong action film director John Woo.  I find his 
films incredibly interesting.  However, my experience is limited because I 
have only seen two of his fims "Rules of the Game" and "The Killer."  Does 
anyone know where I could aquire video tapes of his other films?  I would 
prefer them with English subtitles, but I would love to hear any 
information about anything involving Woo.

Thanks in advance.
-- 

Uri J. Lessing |  Earlham College |  Richmond, Indiana
From: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Chuan "infamous" Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Priscilla Chan
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:23:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <honson-140992095803@dido.ccs.yorku.ca> honson@orion.yorku.ca (Honson Kan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.060031.28050@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>,
>mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN) wrote:
>> >Gary.Moh@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gary Moh) writes:
>> 
>> >are you guys serious about this?? Priscilla Chan is studying in
>> >Syracuse University?? that's 45 miles from where I am...
>> 
>> >Gary
>> 
>> 	Why bother ????  Leave her alone, guy !
>> 
>> 						Michael
>Go ahead, guys.     She may need to have more friends.
>
>Honson

Better yet.  Show her how to read and post to the net.
We (I assume) love to have some celebrities as net fellows.

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.