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To: cruiser!bdl (Bob Lombard)
Subject: pinhead.wannabe.postulant
   ...I can manage a shallow wedge turn on these, nothing real tight
   (no metal edge :( )

Metal edges are overrated for all but icy conditions. What is more
important is the flex pattern, and lack of base pattern. The pattern
on most inexpensive skis makes side-slipping difficult, which makes
most turns with a lateral component (paralell, telemark, et. al.) more
difficult. If you can find an old pair of *wood* skis, they will be
*great* for learning on in powder snow, and a lot cheaper! Then as you
get better, you'll know more about what skis to really get.

   So.... what are your reccomendations ?  any & all hints on where to
   start, equipment, books, lessons, type of granola, Good places to
   learn in So-Cal, etc, are greatly appreciated.

I've been PSIA Certified XC for 10 years, and teach telemark most of
the winter. If you have specific questions, I'll be glad to help.
Eugene Miya and Lowell Skoog are another two sources on the net. Good
luck!

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From: sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Knee surgery
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I'm scheduled to have orthroscopic surgery don next week to remove some
supposedly torn medial meniscus.  I'm sure my worries are unjustified and my
phobia is directly related to the fact I just turned thirty and never seriously
injured myself skiing before the end of last season.

Anyway, there must be others out there that have gone through this that can
reassure me I have nothing to worry about and I'll be in shape to start
instructing again soon.

				Carl 
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From: glenn@mogul.dazixco.ingr.com (Glenn Childers)
Subject: Winter Park
Reply-To: glenn@mogul.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:42:48 GMT

Looking for a good place to rent for a week in Winter Park the
week before Thanksgiving.

Glenn
From: coville@h114.desy.de (Arnaud Coville)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING: Burton
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:31:24 GMT
	<1992Aug31.164246.2529@progress.com>
	<1992Sep1.170950.10402@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<1992Sep3.172034.20538@progress.com>
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.


In article (Adam A. Backman) writes:

   The Raichle (thanks for the correct spelling) are great!  I looked at several
   boots last year and these seemed to be the best.  I met a girl at Whistler
   last year and she was sending away to europe for a pair because she could 
   not get a pair locally.  They are comfortable and keep your feet warm so that
   in itself is a good enough reason to buy them.  The Megaflex boots do not
   fit me (their lasts don't match my feet) and lack a good tread for skating
   and hiking.  Most of all try many types of boots (leave them on for a while
   in the store) and select the one that is most comfortable.

   -Adman

The Raichle boots are really OK. I have been using them for 5 years now, and 
they are still all right. The only problem is if you have a large foot. 
it hurts at this point . Sorry i don't know the word in english ( in french 
maleolle ). 


 hurts
 here   | |  
  ---> <  |
        | |___D  ( toes )
        |_____D
              D

A good think on the Raichle shoes is that there is a ski/go system
that allow you to choose between a fully rigid shoe and a softer shoe.
When the snow is icy, i switch to rigid and in the powder snow i turn
it off to get a better feeling.

Actually the raichle and all other snowboard shoes come from hiking
ski (? in french: ski de randonnee )shoes. A friend of mine bought
some Dynafit hilking shoes they were exactly the same as the snowboard
model besides the flashy colors, and they were far cheaper. That is
exactly the same for Raichle. So my advice would be to buy hiking ski
shoes.  - Raichle, Dynafit,...-

For the bindings, i use "Emery plots" they are simple, cheap and
solid, they did not change the model for 5 years !!! The only trouble
after two season you should change the iron parts (5 us $ each), and
always have a spare part by your side. It is easy to change and can be
of great help when you are off side the pist in powder snow 1 km from
the first lift/store .

My board is also quite old, ( i'm going to change this year 8^) ) it's
a Hot Revolution 165. It's very good, i recommend their products, i
can also recommend the new boards of Look they are really good.  ( the
old ones were rather bad) and also Nidecker which has always build
quality things.
  

Waiting for the snow,
Arno.  




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aimez, je les partage volontiers. 

 
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From: rvele@ctp.com (Raymond Velez)
Subject: MRG & SR
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:14:43 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

	Does anyone know cheap places to stay at Mad River Glenn.?  I
am interested in trying it if they get a good snow.  Also, I am
interested in a cheap place near Sunday River.  I have had experience
that were a bit too expensive.  Maybe if anyone has heard of a guide
to cheap skiing places to stay in New England would be great.  I have
usually just been winging it in the  past.  Thanks in advance.
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From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Opinions on K2 Velocite skis?
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:13:22 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello skiers,

Anyone own or have an opinion on K2 Velocite skis?  (Maybe it is Velociy?)
I just read about them in SKI magazine, and was wondering if anyone has
had any personal experience with them.


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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Whistler in November?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.193819.27866@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> joyner@nrtpa17.bnr.ca (Tony Joyner) writes:
>I have a chance to visit the Whistler area in B.C. this November using
>a free airline voucher that runs out Dec. 1st.  Is it worth going to 
>the Whistler ski area that early?

A buddy of mine skied over Thanksgiving a couple years ago.  There was 
snow on the top 3000 or so feet, mud on the bottom 2000 or so.  They 
experienced a mix of snow and rain at various times throughout the week,
with rain predominant at the lower elevations.  He gave a very positive 
impression of their overall experience.  3000 feet is still more than 
most resorts offer at the best of times.

Your mileage may vary.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christian A. Pegher)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Bigfoot
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:53:55 GMT
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

What does Bigfoot have to do with Skiing?

It would seem that "Bigfoot" would have big enough feet so that he
wouldn't need skis.

Then again, I'm a rather large and hairy skiier, maybe I might be
confused with "Bigfoot."

We'll all be looking out for "Bigfoot" hitting the slopes in some new
neon colors Mr. Hill, but, otherwise, make sure that posts are relevent
to the bulletin board you post them on.

For instance, maybe Mr. Hill should start a some bulletin board like
netnews.sightings, or netnews.superstitions if he wants some real
response.

Concern from a clean and tidy net user

Christian A. Pegher
Student of, but in no other way affiliated to:
Carnegie Mellon, INC.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:23:40 GMT
Subject: FAQ error: Closed Areas
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


 In the FAQ, section one, the words "don't ski out of bounds" are written.
 Via e-mail Hugh, (hugh@nezsdc) pointed out that this is not necessarily a 
 problem. He's absolutely correct and I think it's probably a point worth
 mentioning.

 Out of bounds/closed areas are probably one of the least understood,
 most dangerous, most fun areas to ski. For those who are wondering,
 here's the deal (US only, Europe is *entirely* different, not to 
 mention more sane):

   NEVER ski in a "closed" area. Note that a closed area may be completely
   within the ski area boundry. Skiing in a closed area, if you're caught,
   will almost always result in the loss of skiing privileges and may
   result in fines/imprisonment. Honestly though, the penalties may
   be the least of your worries. Getting killed should be on your mind.

   On many mountains the area out of bounds is considered a closed area.

   On other mountains, and in other states, out of bounds may *not* be
   closed.

   On still some other mountains the boundry areas may be closed sometimes
   and open at others.

 In any of the above cases, your best bet is to contact the patrol and
 ask 'em. It is not at all unusual for the patrol to allow folks to
 ski beyond the boundry provided the skiers are willing to follow a
 few guidlines (discrete exit without obvious tracks, skiing in 
 groups, familiarity with the terrain, checking out/in with the patrol
 so they know you're safe).

 Closed areas generate a lot of animosity among people who want to ski
 there and can't understand why they're not open. Trust me, it's better
 to just have a calm conversation with the patrol *before* you bust
 the closure than try to "reason" with them afterward.

 All that is a long winded way of saying that the FAQ has been updated
 to read "don't ski in closed areas." E-mail to Hugh thanking him for
 pointing out this error bounced (sorry Hugh!).


 ..glen
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:38:46 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Sep11.190736.18461@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>
>To be honest, I would not call anyone who has a problem with 
>"unpredictable beginners" advanced, let alone an expert.

There are many things an "unpredictable beginner" can do that leave you 
with no 'out'.  I would classify such a skier on overly advanced terrain 
as the least of your worries, since that risk is easy to spot.  My uncle 
had his knee blown out by an accident that occured while he was turning 
to stop in a lift line when he was hit from the side by a young girl who 
had lost control.  When you are well within your comfort zone, do you 
look over your shoulder with every turn?  No way.  Not that the Resp.Code 
will help much either ... she was not out of control on purpose, but it 
is the kind of thing that fits in the "unpredictable beginner" area.   

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:04:40 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep11.190736.18461@clarinet.com>, grant@clarinet.com
(Grant Robinson) writes:
|> 
|> To be honest, I would not call anyone who has a problem with 
|> "unpredictable beginners" advanced, let alone an expert.
|> 
|> If they're skiing, even randomly, they're not that hard to avoid,
|> just pick a space cushion based on your and their relative speeds.
|> 
|> If they're out of control or falling, it's even easier, since such people
|> tend to travel in a predictable path, albeit a bit faster.
|> 
|> Ah, but what about the guy who comes screaming down from above you say?
|> 
|> Well, like driving, a good skier generally knows whats going on around him.
|> You can't track every skier on the hill, but you're aware of patterns.  If
|> there are people above you and you are skiing downhill, then you're
|> listening for sounds that might indicate time for evasive manoeuvers.  In
|> addition, most advanced skiers I know ski fast enough that they
aren't easily 
|> overtaken, even by a falling skier.
|> 
|> And if you're stopped, and are not aware of what's going on above you (and
|> ready to get out of the way if necessary), then you're not an expert skier.
|> 
|> Simple, eh? :)
|> -- 
|> Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366

I'd certainly agree. If you're not comfortable with people doing random
unpredictable things on the slope in front of you, you're not good enough
to consider yourself "expert" on that terrain. Up to a certain, fairly
agressive level of bumps, I can zip along full tilt and know that even if the
guy off to my left contrives to fall such that he just about flings himself
at my feet, I'll be able to either stop short or jink to the right to
avoid him.

On the other hand, at some point, I know that I have to leave extra room, 
and make sure my lines aren't going to be impinged on by other people,
because I might not be able to make that abrupt stop or sudden turn with
enough certainty. If you don't make that adjustment, you are not skiing
in control, you are not skiing responsibly.

When you're skiing on stuff that's easier than your comfort level, you should
be able to just blast down it, but, when you hit that point where it's 
near the edge. Slow down, or stop and wait for a good clear line. If the
resort's
too crowded to do that on the trails you like to ski, ask yourself if you
really want to be skiing at that resort. 

Learn your comfort level, and remember it changes in flat light, icy slopes,
late in the day... 

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:32 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 12/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: prevel@uni2a.unige.ch
Subject: Info about Fanatic's POWDER WINGS
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:25:57 GMT

Hi to all snowboarders
Has anibody out there tried the "POWDER WINGS" surf made by FANATIC.
As I want to buy one of these revolutionnary boards, I would like to know
your opinion about it.
Reply by E-Mail (French, Spanish or English) and I'll post a resume
Thanks

Michel
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:40:52 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1202@tekgen.bv.tek.com> bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson) writes:
>Part of the fun of skiing is risk taking.

Fun for you maybe, not so much for the person (it could be another beginner)
that is also being put at risk.

>I don't think I have ever been endangered by a beginner while on a black
>diamond run.  

I have.  I was standing off to the side of a slope, easily visable from above,
as I was waiting form my ski buddy to put his skis back on.  Up above I
saw a couple of teenagers that were obviously over there heads on this 
terrain.  The guy would take two turns, panic, build up too much speed
and crash.  After watching him do this one I saw him do it again, except
this time when he crashed it was a bit steeper, and after falling he couldn't
stop.  He slid right into me.  Fortunately the snow was fairly soft (good 
snow conditions) and we both stopped.  Some people that have fallen on steep
runs haven't.  They've continued to slide until they either hit someone else
or a tree.  On some occasions they've been killed because of it.  Black
Diamond runs usually have a sign at the bottom that also says, "Advanced
skiers only".  Falling on an intermediate run might cause a few bruises.  There
are a lot of advanced runs where falling on them could kill you.

>The type of beginner
>who is likely to try one is also likely to have some common sense. I.e., 

A beginner has no business on an advanced run. That is, if it is truely
and advanced run.  Have you ever looked at a large bowl where many of the
skiers will traverse into the bowl perpendicular to the fall line until
the get to the other side and then turn and traverse across in the other
direction?  This makes what some call "turkey tracks".  What it does is
ruin the line down the fall line for those that want/can make linked turns.
It makes it more difficult for everyone to ski the run.  It's discourteous.

>Where I see all the speed-demon-I-can-go-fast-I-just-can't-slow-down idiots
>are on the greens and to some extent the blue's.
 
Maybe that's because the they haven't had the common sense to go up and
try and ski the black diamond run.  If someone is incapable of stopping
you'll most likely seem them in "mahogany ridge" in a cast if they try
to ski a real advanced run.

At the top of Mammoth Mt. there is a sigh which reads:

"When you're friends say go
 You have the right to say no.
 The life you save may be your own."
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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Flat Light (was: Begginer deals)
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:34:48 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Sep9.032753.13448@xyzoom.info.com> rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
>Could someone explain to this neophyte "flat light"?  I presume it
>means lack of shadow, or relief--rendering bumps and holes less
>visible.

The other responses so far have concentrated on the extreme case, flat
light and heavy ground fog, so that you can't see anything.
Personally, and despite having watched the blind skiiers at various
French resorts, when it gets that bad I get off the hill.

However, there are also less extreme versions of this, when you have
fairly thick but higher clouds, so that the sun's light is diffused
from the entire cloudbank rather than coming from a particular spot.
In this case, you can see contrasty things (trees, rocks, other people
-- unless they are wearing white ski gear, fashionable a few years ago,
anyone who dresses in white to go skiing should be shot...), but you
can't see the details of the snow surface.

Still very disconcerting for beginners, as while you can see quite
clearly that downhill is THAT way, you don't see the little local
ripples and bumps in the snow surface until suddenly you feel your
knees being knocked upwards towards your chest, or your feet suddenly
dropping out from beneath you.  Less of a problem once you've learned
the proper degree of knee-bend and flexiness, and have enough
competence to recover from something unexpected happening to your feet,
but a definite pain when you're starting out.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:57:48 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BuFpxM.1KE@mail.boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
|: |> 
|: |> And if you're stopped, and are not aware of what's going on above you (and
|: |> ready to get out of the way if necessary), then you're not an expert skier.
|: |> 
|
|I don't know about being an expert or not, but if you are stopped and are
|not aware of what's going on above you, then you are in the wrong as much
|as the person who hits you.

I think that was his point.  I don't know how many time I've skied over
a knoll and come across someone just beyond it.  An advance skier would
be able to avoid that person. Someone with lesser abilities, but one with
probably enough skills to ski repsponsibly on that slope might not.  

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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skis For Sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:17:25 GMT
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

Hi,

	My sister is selling her skis.  She is a student and needs money,
so is willing to bargain if necessary :

	- Skis : Head SE Radial Equipe 170's, with Tyrolia 560DC bindings
          purple/black, $220/obo.

	- Boots : Raichle 770 Black/purple Women's size 9 (US), $140/obo.

	- Matching Ski poles : $15/obo.

This equipment is barely used, in excellent condition.  Reply via email
if interested.
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes." AMA 642916 DoD 0593
"B. Pasker: I've always wondered what 'STOP' stood for. Could anyone tell me ?
 C. Paull : Spin Tires On Pavement."
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