HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: mail-sendmail-relation
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:41:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.104509.16949@hp4at.eunet.co.at> optkap@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Hochleitner) writes:
>I am very interested in the relation between mail and sendmail.

There are actually several different programs called 'mail', and there are
other programs (elm, mush are examples) which do something similar.

>It is clear to me, that mail is the Ua, which enables better user interface, 
>and sendmail is the Tma, who is responsible for the delivery of the mail.

The user agent, say /usr/ucb/mail, prepares the message, then pipes it
in /usr/lib/sendmail -oi address address ...

Sendmail fills in any remaining headers, determines how it should be
routed, and attempts to deliver it to the next host on the route.  If the
mail is for a local user, sendmail pipes it to the local delivery agent,
commonly /bin/mail.

>I meen the process communication between mail and sendmail (only the pipe is
>not enough).

Usually there is just the pipe and the parameter list.  The important
part of the parameter list is the list of recipient addresses.   There
is usually a '-oi' which means that the message should not terminate at
the first '.', and there may be one or two other options.

>             ANother important question in this field is, how sendmail
>fills its "standard macros" like $g, $w and ohters, because not all these
>macros are set explicitly in the sendmail.cf file.

$w is set by first using gethostname(), then using that as an argument
to gethostbyname().  If you are using a nameserver, the result should
be the fully qualified domain name of your host.  If you are not using
a nameserver, possible the value of gethostname() will be used, or the
first entry on the line in /etc/hosts which matches this name.  If
necessary you can actually override this with a 'Dw' line in the
configuration file.

$g is the address after processing by the rewrite rules.  The sender address
is processed by rulesets 3,1, S=, 4  [where S= is the ruleset named on the
"S=" operand of the outbound mailer].
From: craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: help on IP address
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:27:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: decel.ecel.uwa.edu.au

pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno) writes:

>Again,   I hope the collective knowledge will have this info.

>I have an IP address, and I want to know to what organization
>it corresponds.

>What database could I access dor this purpose??

You could use nslookup or you could use dig as well probably.  These will
let you interogate the nameserver database to help you to find information
about the sites.

assuming you have the site 1.2.3 which you wish to know, you could find out
the machines in the domain and their names by doing the following

nslookup	(run nslookup)
root		(set server to the root name server)
ls 3.2.1.in-addr.arpa.	(list the machines in this domain and name servers
                         for the same)

This method isn't foolproof as many machines have no reverse name lookup
information.  Also, the root name server may not have any information on
this domain and you will have to find one that does.

I haven't used dig much, but I think it will do similar things.

NOTE:  All these programs will get you is the name of the machine and some
idea of who is above them.  You could probably achieve the same with a
small program that calls gethostbyaddr.  They will not give you info on the
organisation behind the machine, but you can often hazard a guess.  Another
way to find the machine name is to telnet to port 25 and then type quit.
Sendmail lists the full machine name as part of the version string it
prints when you connect (usually)

Craig

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  University of Western Australia    Dept of Education (afternoon)
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From: jdhossei@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff)
Subject: Appending .sig to outgoing email automatically
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:15:01 GMT


This may sound like a naive question, but how can one get the
mailx program in the Korn Shell to automatically append
a .sig file to every outgoing message?  I know
about using ~(tilde)r .sig to include the file manually, but
is there any way that this can be made automatic when i press
^D or . on a blank line?  Do i have to add something to
my .mailrc file?  Any help would be appreciated.

Joshua Hosseinoff
jdhossei@nyx.cs.du.edu  - or hosseino@yu1.yu.edu - or eaw7100@acf.nyu.edu
From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mail-Server
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:02:31 GMT
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <BxKrCv.Bz3@wang.com> fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:

:money for this.  I've seen exactly 1 public volunteer to be a forwarder for
:the world (Karl Kleinpaste at OSU, and he's no longer there).  In general,

I've seen other volunteers in the past.  At least in the Michigan
area, finding someone that will MX for you isn't really a problem.

						...Mike

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From: dweissman@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (WiseGuy)
Subject: POP mail/IMAP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:34:00 GMT


I see an informational posting from time to time on POP/IMAP mail.  It lists
servers and clients that are available for many platforms (DOS/MAC/UNIX).
I have forgotten where to find this list.  Can anyone help?
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Allied-Signal Aerospace - BFEC    Internet#1 - dweissman@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov
One Bendix Road, Dept. 976        Internet#2 - sysdhw@bfec2.gsfc.nasa.gov
Columbia, Maryland 21045-1897     Telenet/SPRINTnet's X.400 -
(410) 964-7909                    (C:USA,A:TELEMAIL,P:GSFC,FN:DAVID,SN:WEISSMAN)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.newusers.questions
From: bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Inter-Network Mail Guide
Organization: ITS, Bond University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:00:59 GMT

marka@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mark Andrews) writes:

>Not all that strange. DSTO is Defence Science and Technology Organization.
>I would expect them to prevent any unknow traffic from crossing their
>routers.

We do the same thing and we're just a Uni :-).  The only odd things is
that SMTP connections are handled (even though the MX points elsewhere)
but ICMP's are not passed.  Our configuration will let ICMP's get to the
box but all other services are blocked (ie. all MX's point to our
central mail hub).



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Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3673 comp.org.sug:462
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.org.sug
Subject: Re: Mail-Server
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:48:10 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Steve Simmons (scs@iti.org) wrote:
: 
: Mail parks in general are a good thing.  We've had workshops on them at
: the LISA conferences the last two years; it was quite disappointing to
: see that some of the same folks from the first workshop came to the
: second but hadn't made one.  As a commercial provide I should probably
: regard that as a Good Thing, but I'd hoped for more action.

Steve, you know this is one of those things that national user
groups who have local affiliates (e.g. Sun Local User Groups, Usenix
local technical groups, etc) could really push for.  For one thing,
it's the sort of endeavor that is likely lead to a metro area IP
network (a la RAIN), and it's also the sort of effort that makes
a Freenet or other public access Unix seem to have a chance to take
off.  Both of those sort of environments are real good ones to make 
for effective organization of user groups.

Michigan I guess is pretty exceptional; there's sort of three domain
parks running in parallel, a <host.city.mi.us> collection, a <host.mi.org>
collection, plus Michigan User Group members can get a <host.mug.org>
address as part of their membership dues.  My rough count is six or seven
machines ready to MX in one way or another, ranging from best-effort free
at universities to small one-time fee (for people attached through another
Msen customer who's willing to carry the traffic) all the way to people
still calling out of state to hit UUNET.

From the commercial side of things, Steve, I'd say that the lack of a mail
park would be a Bad Thing if I was thinking about starting up a business 
in the area.  Free services are great for getting people up to speed, making
sure there's lots of skilled labor in the area, keeping your for-pay service
honest, and generally upping the expectations that people have about how their
mail should work.  Now just off the top of my head I can think of
	Michigan	.mi.org, .mi.us
	Minnesota	.mn.org
	Oregon		(RAIN)
	Texas		.lonestar.org
	Chicago, IL	.chi.il.us
in the US that have functioning parks going, plus
	Germany		.sub.org, .open.de, IN	
	Italy		.sublink.org
and no doubt plenty of others around.  *Not* everywhere tho.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:21:40 EST
From: Maria Delgado-Proano <MD8084A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject:     electronic mail as a collaborative tool

I am looking for some information, personal experiencies, interaction, related
with electronic mail through out Organizations.  If you have some information t
o share I would appreciate it.
I believe that electronic mail represents a tool that allows group members to c
ommunicate and share important information for an efficient teamwork.  With the
 availability of electronic mail and other internet features, organizations get
 great advantages such as having an effective communication over distances and
time.  Have you experienced negative attitudes toward this technological advanc
e?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: tucker@bedford.progress.COM (Kyle Tucker)
Subject: X/Motif Mail Tool Wanted
Reply-To: tucker@bedford.progress.COM
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:37:05 GMT

I am desperately trying to find a PD X based mail tool. We've tried the
Cem enhancements to Elm and it seems to have display opening problems.
I would love to get a hold of HP's Motif version of Elm they ship with
their workstations.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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tucker@bedford.progress.com 	   |		14 Oak Park
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: optkap@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Hochleitner)
Subject: mail-sendmail-relation
Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:45:09 GMT

I am very interested in the relation between mail and sendmail.
It is clear to me, that mail is the Ua, which enables better user interface, 
and sendmail is the Tma, who is responsible for the delivery of the mail.
I meen the process communication between mail and sendmail (only the pipe is
not enough). ANother important question in this field is, how sendmail
fills its "standard macros" like $g, $w and ohters, because not all these
macros are set explicitly in the sendmail.cf file.
Any suggestions, hints or comments are highliy recommende!


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From: gregb@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Snooze)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: PopMail
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:58:55 GMT
Distribution: comp.mail.misc
Organization: /home/fsg/gregb/.organization

uqestion...
Are there any Unix Popmail servers that will let me read popmail
at another location?

gregory
gblake@ucsd.edu
From: jeremyc@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Crowe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: JANET/modem connections
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:51:10 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: /u/user5/ai/staff/jeremyc/.organization

I'm sure this question must have been asked hundreds of times already...

Is there a way of sending mail between a terminal connected to the Internet 
(in particular, to Janet in the UK) and a stand-alone machine connected to a 
Hayes modem (also in the UK)?

Thanks for any help,

Jeremy Crowe

jeremyc@uk.ac.ed.castle
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta)
Subject: a!b@c
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:18:05 GMT

I used to think that a!b@c meant "give the message to a with address
b@c" (Perhaps that's what smail 2.5 did?).  Lately I've been seeing
lots of address binding @ the other way:  "deliver to c with address a!b".

In other words, which is it:

	a!b@c	->	@c:a!b
	a!b@c   ->	@a:b@c

And what of:

	b%a@c

Is there a standard which addresses this?  Are most sites giving
@ higher precedence, or !?

--
Rich Skrenta
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: smail routing problem
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:40:53 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

I am running smail 3+ on an SCO XENIX system, and have noticed a serious
problem with routing.

Mail for imex.org is being misrouted to system panth. Panth was the correct
site a year ago, but is no longer handling imex.org mail, as the smail paths
file shows:

#
.n81.z89.imex.org	cowichn!%s
n81.z89.imex.org	cowichn!%s
.imex.org	cowichn!%s
imex.org	cowichn!%s
panth.almanac.bc.ca		panth!%s
#

I've grepped for panth in /usr/lib/smail, and for imex.org - the only
references are from the paths file, above. 

Can anyone shed some light on this mystery? There is obviously something
that is incorrectly routing the mail, but I'll be damned if I can locate it.

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From: rbrunner@sedona.intel.com (Richard Brunner~)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Looking for method to send from internet to compuserve
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:22:10 GMT
Organization: Intel at Chandler, AZ

This is probably described in a FAQ to some newsgroup:

	How can I send internet mail to someone on compuserve?

If you can point me to the FAQ or the method this would be much appreciated.
I think that the right thing to do is to send me mail so as not to
clutter up the newsgroup. Many Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Mail-Server
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:17:17 GMT

emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:

> Because there are any number of people who will give Mr Rubble a domain
> address, running the gamut from big commercial sites who will charge quite
> a bit to small commercial sites which will charge somewhat less to "domain
> parks" which will charge nothing at all, ...

You're right about the two for-fee alternatives, but who is there that's
willing to forward at no cost?  All the domain parks around here want some
money for this.  I've seen exactly 1 public volunteer to be a forwarder for
the world (Karl Kleinpaste at OSU, and he's no longer there).  In general,
free forwarders are few and far between, even in an Internet-rich area like
eastern MA.  People in Nebraska or Idaho had better have a lot of cash
available to reach a potential forwarder.

Will MSEN volunteer itself as a free forwarder?

I think we're going to be stuck with bang paths and host.UUCP addresses for
a long time to come.

To add something constructive to this discussion: we're willing to be a
forwarder and nameserver for any UUCP site in northern New England who
wants a domain name (anyone who doesn't mind the inherent insecurity of
connecting to a site that's still in chapter 11, anyway).

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: a!b@c
Originator: behrenss@hphalle1b.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:46:51 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.171805.20395@news.acns.nwu.edu>, skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta) writes:

|> And what of:
|> 
|> 	b%a@c
|> 
|> Is there a standard which addresses this?  Are most sites giving
|> @ higher precedence, or !?

Hmm. I think there is a standard, but I can't name it right now. What b%a@c
does is to deliver to c, which then has to parse the b%a before that, usually
making it into b@a and then sending it on. Is used a lot with gateways where
the sending system knows nothing about the net behind the gateway:

user%machine-in-other-net@gateway-to-other-net
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From: mark3@dcs.gla.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: mail/news filters, defining relevance and categorisation
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:02:13 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
Return-Path: <mark3@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

Folks,

I'm working on defining relevance in Information Retrieval, currently
looking at defining filters for news or mail message categories, and would
like to get in contact with others who are also working in these areas. I'd
be pleased to exchange views and information with anyone who's interested. 

Any information about available news or mail filtering systems would be
welcome. Specifically, does anyone know where I can get information about
ISCREEN, Topic and Individual Inc.? Anyone know where Stephen Pollock is
(creator of ISCREEN)?

Thanks, Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 10:55:05 EST
From: Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Worm

>
>:
>: >Does anyone have a reference to any study or analysis of
>: >the infamous Internet worm of a couple of years back that
>: >spread through the mail system ?
>:
Apologies if it has been mentioned before, but RFC 1135 has
a good account and excellent bibliography.  The title is
The Helminthiasis of the Internet and is dated Dec 1989.
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Journalism Dept.               Internet: 3zlufur@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
Central Michigan University    Compuserve: 70701,520
Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859 USA     The WELL: eparker@well.sf.ca.us
From: robin@ruc.dk (Robin Cheesman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Standard for diacritical letters?
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:18:29 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter, Danmark

I am looking for a standard for representing diacritical
letters. I have used this legend for some time:

In order to avoid problems when sending ASCII text by email,
it is necessary to use some convention for diacritical
letters (with accents etc, i.e. all letters beyond ASCII
126), and if we wish to represent italics or bold type.
There is no formal standard convention for this, but I 
often use this common and simple one (to be expanded of 
course, when needed):  

 Legend:  a' = a acute
          e` = e grave
          n~ = n tilde
          o^ = o circumflex
          o: = o diaeresis (Umlaut; dots)
          c, = c cedilla
          etc.

          _some words_  = some words (in italics)
          *other words* = other words (bold type)

It is of course important to treat ALL diacritical letters
used (i acute, o acute, u acute -- VERY common in Spanish!).

Thus a search/replace operation should me made BEFORE saving
in ASCII format, and sending. The receiver can then do a
reversed search/replace to put accents back.  

However, there is a problem with this legend, as c, can be
misunderstood in a text as just missing the space -- and o: 
could sometimes really be an o with a following colon!

Any good suggestions?

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