From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: UN MAP SANS KASHMIR
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 10:26:35 GMT

v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili) writes:

>Dear Mr. Raj Bhatnagar,

>It seems as though simple decency and maturity is lost on you. I made no claims
>concerning the present state of affairs in Kashmir concerning the MUJAHEDDIN or
>the GOI. I merely offered my two cents on the subject of why Kashmir is
>depicted differently on international maps of the world. Was that so bad?
>Anyway, now that you have reopened Pandora's box on Kashmir here on the net, I
>am going to close it once and for all. 

>Let's get serious, shall we? Your idea of undoing partition is nothing short of
>ludicrous. The reason partition came about still exists in India. India is the
>furthest thing from a secular country.


The above statement sounds correct.

 Just read and broaden your horizons.
>Examine the vast amount of Hindu violence that has taken place over the most
>recent past as a result of the rise of the BJP, RSS and Shiv Sena(sp).

Sometimes Secular parties are backing the riots in India but in the 
present time all these have gone in hands of RSS, ISS, etc.

>out of this. I am on record as saying that when a plebiscite is held, it must
>take place in POK as well.

This is the point which netters are overlooking and start to draw attention
to other points.

>  NOW, can you please tell me what the rest of your
>posting had to do with the TOPIC?

>But you did draw my attention to your usage of the term "ethnic cleansing."
>When Governor Jagmohan took control, his very first act was to launch a Hindu
>exodus from the Valley so that he would have a free hand in killing and
>pillaging at will.


This is another point which netters are trying to avoid. They do not accept
the fact that Governer Jagmohan made all arrengemts to shift Hindus from 
Kashmir to Jammu. So he can supress  the people who are asking their
rights. I heard this news on BBC. Netters please do not say that
BBC is biased like someone said AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL is biased.

>WHY DOES INDIA REFUSE AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL ACCESS TO KASHMIR? AND WHY IS
>INTERNATIONAL PRINT AND ELECTRONIC MEDIA BANNED FROM KASHMIR? 


I think the netters and GOI think AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL IS BIASED 
as far as INDIA is concerned.


>BUT THE GREATEST REASON OF ALL IS THE
>REFUSAL OF INDIA TO GRANT THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION TO KASHMIRIS.
>Pakistan is just as culpable as India in that regard, but that is it.
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>For these
>reasons, please do not put every onus on Pakistan.

If a Muslim says the above line then he is termed as Pro-Pakistani eventhough
he had said the above UNDERLINED lines.


>In the future, I would greatly appreciate that if discussing Kashmir, that they
>stick to main points and facts, and not use flowery prose and inflammatory
>language to try and force their point. It does not work on either side.

GOOD ON YOU FAZILI.

BYE
ADIL
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>Thank You.
>Sareer A. Fazili 
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