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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Romance
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:22:45 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug17.133353.24503@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>
>On gift-giving, for instance.  He feels that if he buys me flowers or
>jewelry or clothing there is a chance he won't match my taste.  If he
>gets me something he *knows* I need or will use, like a radar detector
>or portable CD player or a ceiling fan for my bedroom (WITH installation
>mind you), it's a sure-win that I'm going to like it and get use out of it.
>

A lot of women take offence at gifts, as if you were trying to buy them.
Flowers 'n' chocs yes, portable CD player (unless you know the person well
and know they won't take offence) looks like a down-payment on some nookie.

Neil
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Various ramblings...
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:03:23 GMT

kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>Well, yeah.  My point is that my financial situation rules out an entire
>class of people that might otherwise be interested in me.

You make $20k more than I do, and I don't have such pessimistic view
of relationships as you do...  Unless you're only into super models,
the amount of money you make is no excuse.  You make more money than
quite a few people, and you expenses are considerably less, all in all
I'd say you're richer than most people.

>>Do you ever go to jazz clubs?
>
>I need to.  I don't know of any where the atmosphere isn't smoke-filled,
>though, and I can't breathe in such an atmosphere.

Do you have asthma?  Otherwise it is something you can get used to.

>>> ... value physical condition, which for me is
>>> relatively poor [6'3" tall, weigh 220 lbs. which is *not* muscle.
>>
>>If you wanted to, you *could* do something about that.
>
>Yes, I could.  It would take a great deal of time, a great deal of
>effort, and a great deal of money to do it right, i.e. without killing
>myself in the process.  My brother's into bodybuilding, so I've done
>some studying of the subject.

If you want to have a relationship you are going to have expend some effort
and take some risks.  You are going to have to decide whether or not it's
worth it.  If you decide that it's not, then shut up!  You've made your
choice, live with it.  You seem to be looking for a miracle cure, some sort
of magic button you can push, a bit of high-tech wizardry that'll solve all
your problems.  Relationships are very complex, too complex for anyone to
understand.  There isn't one answer, there aren't any perfect solutions.
No one here can tell you anything that's guaranteed to work, you've got to
be willing to accept failure.

>>> Hmm...this isn't nearly as long as I expected.  :-)
>>
>>Could that be part of the problem?  :-)
>
>I don't follow...please explain.

You're long winded.

							Ross Ridge


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From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Psychobabble
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:55:29 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Aug18.212700.23850@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>In  <=20mfbh.barry@netcom.com>  barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>>
>>      Descartes' test: "I think, therefore I am".
>
>I prefer to misquote it as:  Coito, ergo sum.

The one I like is: Descartes said, "I think not," and promptly
disappeared.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

"I 'got a life'.  Now what?"
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jfb200@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (joseph.f.baugher)
Subject: Re: Married Men and Single Women
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories -  Naperville, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:10:33 GMT
Summary: Do men talk to each other about their sex lives?

In article <59@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
> I agree with you Randy.  It does definitely happen.  Girls talk about it
> as much as guys do.  I once had the same thing happen to me.  A girl and
> I engaged in some quite pleasurable activities, and about a week later I
> noticed another girl who sat near my desk staring at me.  I asked her why
> she was looking at me and smiling?  She said she had heard something about
> me, and was wondering if it was true?  I asked her what it was, and she
> had heard that [cleaned up for the net] I was pretty good.  But she was
> wondering if it was true?  I told her that everything she heard was true.
> AFter that, I had a lot of female attention.    --Keith
> 

I have found that men tend to be rather reluctant to talk  with  other
men  about their sexual escapades.  The male locker room boasting that
we all hear about in feminist tracts seems to me to be largely a myth.
As  a teenager, I can't remember ever hearing a single conversation in
which a kid boasted about boffing his girlfriend.  The guys  who  were
getting  nookie  didn't  talk  about  it,  and  those who weren't only
dreamed about it. Guys would say things like "Boy, I'd  sure  like  to
get  into  HER  pants!"   when  they saw a nice-looking woman, but the
would never get into any specifics about what they were doing  or  not
doing  insofar  as  their own sex lives were concerned.  Men seem as a
group rather reluctant to discuss their feelings at  all,  even  their
sexual feelings.  At least, this has been my general impression.

I am told that women, on the other hand, feel quite free  to  talk  to
other  women  in detail about their sex lives.    A lot of "girl talk"
seems to be about how well their husbands, lovers, SOs,  etc.  perform
in  bed.   I have the distinct impression that my first wife discussed
my sexual behavior at length with her girlfriends.  Her friends  would
give  me  knowing winks, jabs in the ribs, pats on the backside, etc.,
indicating that they knew a lot about what went on between the  sheets
of our bed.

Comments?

Joe Baugher			**************************************
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2000 North Naperville Road	**************************************
P. O. Box 3033
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: Re: Exactly what I mean by "unattached"...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:18:48 EDT

blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:

> In article <1992Aug17.230935.5513@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (t
> >I don't flirt more, or necessarilly better, than I used to,
> >but the hint of money seems to be an effective means to ensure that 
> >your flirt object will not be offended by your flirtation.
> 
> A-HA! 
> Personally, I would >love< to have an 'in' like this. Many people (and I
> speak from my personal experiences here), are lacking in the Self-Confidence
> arena for the simple reason that we (I) hate to think that my casual 'Hi'
> is going to be interpeted as "I'm an evil demon from Hell, have 13 Unnamed
> Diseases and want to drool on your breasts". The reaction from a lot of
> women that I've gotten on occassion has been as if I had said that instead
> of just 'Hi'. 
> 
> I'm not saying that 'Women flirt with Trygve because he flashes cash'- but
> the effect that the cash has >on Trygve and the women who meet him< gives
> Trygve a big edge over us 'mere mortals :)' (I have to be mortal, I look
> really stupid in chainmail :)
> 
> That 'edge', that 'in' is what a lot of guys look for. Once I can start getti
> into talking with a woman, she can see what a witty, intelligent and friendly
> person I am. :)
> r.

Budha, Allah, and Zoroaster on a bagel with sprouts - is it really
so hard to figure out how to flirt?

*mean what you are saying*.  **ALWAYS**

Flirt to make them feel good.  (If you can't do this, you've *got*
to fix it, because this is what the whole thing hinges on.)

The money/power motivated stuff you folks are talking about isn't
flirting, it's negotiating a mutual services contract.  Since it's
mixed up with flirting very often, I can understand why you're
confused, but it is very important to have clear objectives and
you seem to be getting two states conflated there.

Graydon

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Various ramblings...
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Aug15.185809.17611@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
> You shouldn't be too self-conscious
> either--I think it was Fran Leibowitz who observed that few people would
> be self-conscious at all if they knew just how little attention everyone
> else was paying to them--you'd probably be surprised with just how much
> more you can get away with than you'd expect.

That's how I finally started dancing a few years back.  I figured that
whatever I did couldn't possibly look more ridiculous than what some of
the people on the dance floor were doing, and nobody was laughing at *them*.
(I suppose a few drinks had helped as well.)  So, I tried it - and I had FUN!

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: probst@fraser.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: Commitment--The C-word?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.135444.25619@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <Bt6q8u.Bx9@vcd.hp.com> johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes:
>>: 
>>Theres an old joke about involvement and commitment. In a breakfast of ham and
>>eggs the chicken is involved but the pig is committed. In marriage the woman
>>is involved but the man is commited. 
>
>That is freaking hysterical.  If I got married right now without any
>prior legal arrangement, I'd possibly be signing over half a house, half my
>pension, half a car, my life insurance and future inheritance, and a
>good number of my CDs.
>
>When you say that's an *old* joke, you mean REAL old, right??
>
ditto... this has to be the most asinine, stereotypical, prejudiced, cheap,
crass and unthinking comment i've ever seen here. sleep with our AmEx card 
under the pillow, do we?

ignore the .sig - the opinions stated here are those of the entire catholic 
church...
-- 
Scott Probst: Brain and Behaviour Laboratory, Psychology dept, SFU
              Graduate Issues Officer, Simon Fraser Student Society.
e-mail: probst@fraser.sfu.ca - ph: (604) 291 3354/3181 - fax: (604) 291 5843
              "yes, well, and here we go again..." - Dr H. S. Thompson
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From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Echo, Echo, Echo?????
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:48:50 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Aug10.205430.7491@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>In article <70980@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>>
>>Trygve, the person who looks back at you from inside your monitor is
>>not me, sorry to say. Use a Chamois to clean up that hand-rubbed glass
>>screen and you'll see what I mean. 
>
>What?  Are you suggesting that the person who sent me STEF.GIF was lying
>about it being you?  
>
>Trygve   (Sheesh!  Oh, well; even if it's not you, it's still the best
>          GIF I've got involving a studded leather bikini and a tub of
>          Cool Whip.) 

Definitely not Stef, since you failed to mention the Uzi that's
obviously missing from the picture.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

"I 'got a life'.  Now what?"
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: A (new?) twist on LJBF
Date: 14 Aug 1992 18:53:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug14.023732.1524756@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jemenake@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Emenaker) writes:
|> I was trying to convey to my sister the horror that LJBF strikes in the
|> hearts of males one day. She felt, as I figure most women do, that it is a
|> NICE THING, that they're willing to be, at least, friends. "What's wrong
|> with being friends?" she asked. 
|> 

Good description of the agony that one goes thorugh when confronted with
the LJBF line (well not always agony, but it could be).  However, you're
post was concerned with the "pre-dating" LJBF line.  I would contend that
the "post-dating" (i.e. one got dumped) LJBF is an order of magnitude worse.
Especially when the LJBFer really is sincere and wants to be friends, but
after a long initimate relationship "just being best buddies" really eats
up the LJBFee.  Been there.  Done that.  Takes a while to get it out of
your system ...


|> DISCLAIMER: All gender specific pronouns were used to coincide with the
|> statistical majority of actual cases, for the sake of familiarity to the
|> reader. The author aknowledges that there do exist cases where the one or
|> both of the genders of the participants are reversed. Any similarity to
|> sexist, homophobic products of a non-politically-correct, Euro-centric,
|> male-dominated, society, either living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Great disclaimer.

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Boredom is a vital problem for the moralist, since at least half the sins of
 mankind are caused by the fear of it."  - Bertrand Russell (1930)
From: ronw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ron Whitetree)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:05:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Married Men and Single Women
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.singles

/ hpcc01:soc.singles / dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) / 12:39 pm  Aug 11, 1992 /



Dawn Writes:

>Yeah, but there's also a better chance that he's housebroken and knows
>that dishes need to be WASHED before they're put back in the cupboards.
>
>Dawn


My mother taught all of us this. But I am continually amazed how many
men and women have missed much of what I would consider basic training. 
Don't be so quick to attribute personal characteristics to sexist remarks.
I think our society has changed in a big way and few seem to meet
expectations or even understand what is expected.

Ron
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From: pm3_norr@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Paul Norris)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.couples,soc.men,soc.women,soc.motss
Subject: Re: BOINK! BOINK! BALLOONBOINK IN ALBUQUERQUE!
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:50:52 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

In article <0iJFPB4w165w@wildrose.infoserv.com> rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:
}johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
}
}> I can just see Ron and Larry meeting people at the airport...
}> 
}> "Welcome to Albuquerque, here`s your banana."
}
}I've seen pictures from prior Balloon Festivals...some of the balloons
}are not just traditional hot-air-balloon-shaped, I've seen dinosaurs,
}Tony the Tiger, the Planters "Mr. Peanut", etc.

Bristol Balloon Festival was last weekend.  Unfortunately the weather wasn't 
good so there was only one lift (Sunday evening) and only four of the 
"specialty" canopies took to the skies - two beer cans, an oil container and
a 40' Rupert the Bear.  Previous years we've had all sorts of weird and
wonderful designs.  I counted 80 in total on Sunday and it was a glorious
sight.  700....  if you can get along I'd suggest you do.
 

}I was wondering if there will be one shaped like a banana.

It's definitely possible...
aul

-- 
Nothing takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love.
                                            --  Charlie Brown
From: dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Psychobabble
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:30:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Aug18.223043.15692
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug18.212700.23850@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>In  <=20mfbh.barry@netcom.com>  barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>>
>>      Descartes' test: "I think, therefore I am".
>
>I prefer to misquote it as:  Coito, ergo sum.

I thought it was: Coito, ergo cum.
-- 
  Dave Johnson

"You're not too smart, are you?  I like that in a man."
    --Kathleen Turner in Body Heat
From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Was re:net.assholes - now net.crybaby
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:48:04 GMT
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

In article <376@asylum.UUCP>, pbreton@asylum.UUCP (Peter Breton) writes:
>>From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
> 
>>Dawn, the more I hear from you, the more convinced I am that you just don't
>>live up to morals.  It is awful to think of such!  <<< SHAME ON YOU!! >>>
>>Now to think, a single gal chasing a married man???  If you were in his
>>wifes' shoes, would you mind sharing your husband?  Woudln't you have a few
>>names for her.... Like W*ore and B*tch and stuff?
> 
>>Tell us about yourself - do you do the nasty?  Do you have a firm, round
>>butt?  Do they stick out when someone rubs them?  Enquiring minds want to
>>know!
> 
>>flat men or round men, etc....  I even questioned her on that same question,
>>but I tried to do it more subtle and gentle, small women always respond very
>>positiverly to gentle |)  But for me, it would be true statistically or any
>>other way, cause I digs short gals!@!!!!!!!!!!!  They are sooo sexy and lively!
>                                   
>>More than a mouthful is a waste!   Yea have to get real close
> 
>>"... the meaning of life is t find a nice gal, who will take care of you,
>>owns a liquor store, doesn't get as drunk as you and loves to give lip service!
>>Now that makes me happy!"
> 
> 
>>Oh my gosh!  You must live up there where they have to pump daylight in, too!
>>I'll bet you are getting tired of reading those old Penthouses, huh?  They
>>say there is a female behind every tree, only problem is, there is no trees,
>>huh?  I'd like to find a female to also "share the ups and downs" of life, as
>>well!!! <<<<<EVIL GRIN>>>>>
> 
> 
>>Hey Juha!  'Member that old adage, "They all lookalike" (
> 
>>What do the finnish women look like (  Are they foxes, babes, should I jump
>>like a frog?  Is it hammer time (
> 
> [more asshole quotes ommitted]
> 
> **********************************************************************
> 
>   Here's a little something from an ex-lurker:
> 
>   This guy is, by far, the stupidest, most obnoxious net.asshole I've seen
> yet. Hey, buddy: pinheads like you give Texas a bad name.  
> 
>>...hope you enjoyed the flames, and you have a nice day, don't forget,
>>though----------> Grow a d*ck, fellow!  (HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHE)
> 
>   Ditto.
> 
>>> to be polite and interesting, instead of just being "ourselves"? That's 
>>> SOOOO artificial!
> 
>>No, we don't have to use one of those things!  I like the real thing! 
> 
>   Yea, I'm sure you do... up the butt.

Ahhh...!  You are just as opinionated as I !  I think you have taken me far
to seriously Peter.

But honestly, I don't take anything up the "BUTT".  Go drink a beer and cool
off!
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Finding Romantic Partners (long)
Date: 22 Aug 1992 01:01:06 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

Just passing through...

In article <1992Aug14.073415.2677@nuchat.sccsi.com> kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>Sigh.  It's really hard to talk about statistics to someone who seems to be
>having trouble grasping the basic concepts (Teri may well be well-versed
>in statistical analysis, but what I've seen so far indicates otherwise).

Sigh.  All these people are having a really hard time discussing dating
and relationships with someone who is having trouble grasping the basic
concepts (you, that is).  I just resubscribed to soc.singles after being
gone for quite a while and I see that you haven't shifted one iota, Kevin;
weren't you making the exact same argument about statistics a couple of
years ago?  How long are you going to go on arguing?

Yes, if all other things are equal, you'll be more likely to find a
romantic relationship the more women you encounter.  Teri's been pointing
out to you that other things are often far more important.  And yes, if
I wanted to nitpick I could probably poke one or two holes in some of her
arguments.  But I won't, because the thrust of what she's been saying is
correct and you're off on the wrong track.

Kevin, you seem to be more concerned about being right, about winning
arguments, than you are about learning something that might assist you.
There's a traditional Zen story about the university professor who went to
a master to learn about Zen.  Now this professor was full of all kinds of
ideas and opinions about this philosophy and that religious tradition and
sure knew a lot of stuff.  The master invited the professor to tea, poured
him a cup, and kept pouring; tea was running all over the place.  The
professor cried out "Stop!  The cup is already full!"  The master said
"Yes, your cup is already full.  How can I teach you anything when you
already are so full of opinions?"

I think the first step for you, Kevin, is what the Zen people call
"beginner's mind" -- admitting to yourself that you don't know about what
works and what doesn't work in dating, relationships, and attracting
women, so that you can be open to listening to someone like Teri, who does
know a thing or two about it, so you can learn something.
--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Commitment--The C-word?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:07:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

>In article <71435@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>>
>>Are you equating "not contributing income to the household" to "living off
>>another person"? Why?

>Yes, I am.  If someone other than yourself provides a roof over your
>head and your other sustinence, what would you call it?

If that person provides the money to buy the roof tiles, but you
install the roof, what do you call it? If that person provides the
money to buy the cloth, but you sew the clothes, what do you call it? 

>I said I believed those kind of "other activities" should be shared
>by both units of the couple, and I still feel that way.

But what if one unit doesn't know how to install a roof, or doesn't like
climbing on ladders? What if one unit always ends up snarling the thread 
when he or she tries to use the sewing machine?

Being *able* to make money if one wants to is just common sense; everyone
in this society should develop some job skills. But that is different from
being required to hold a paying job at all times during your life, no matter 
what your situation and no matter what the people involved feel about it.

If you want to hold a job and want your partner to do so, fine. I just
don't think that is the only reasonable solution that exists, and I don't 
agree with your assessment that other arrangements always involve laziness and 
selfishness on the part of one partner.

--
Stef             A cat and his owner see a relationship counselor:
stef@apple.com   "He doesn't want you to run the vacuum cleaner or 
                 go out on dates."                      --Nicole Hollander
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