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From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: horror anthologies
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:43:51 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-28-92 03:40
F > I am interested in locating any compilations of short works by 
F > various
F > horror writers along the same vein as Dark Forces, which was edited by
F > Kirby McCauley.
F > 
F > Andrea @ BVC
F > 
F >

Try Prime Evil, edited by Douglas Winter.  It's probably the best 
collection to come along since McCauley's Dark Forces. 
Authors include King, Barker (in a piece of subtle, restrained 
horror that will surprise both his fans and his critics), 
David Morrell (who wrote the collection's best piece IMHO), 
Straub, and several others.  Stalkers is also supposed to be very 
good, although I have not read it myself.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Scariest Horror Movie
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:25:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul21.131415.6568@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>I liked all of those stories in Creepshow except the one where that
>someone comes out of grave (don't remember its name just now...). The
>Lonesome Death of Jordy Verrill was great - and Stevie-boy is sooooooo
>funny in his movies :-). Do you know in which movies he appears? I
>know these ones:
>- Pet Sematary
>- Creepshow
>- Maximum Overdrive
>- Sleepwalkers

The "Creepshow" story where the guy comes out of the grave is called "Father's
Day". King was great as Jordy Verrill! He also appears in "Creepshow II" as a
truckdriver (kind of small part), but I won't say more about that since you
haven't seen the movie yet! I can't think of any others that S. King was in
off the top of my head... but, if I think of more I will certainly let you
know! 
				Laurel
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Skipp and Spector...
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:05:25 GMT

I don't know whether _Dead_Lines_ was mentioned in this thread...
It's pretty forgettable: basically a collection of outtakes, the
best parts of which had already appeared in _Twilight_Zone_,
_Night_Cry_, and I forget where else.

						--Fiona
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From: mfc1493@zeus.tamu.edu (Ratboy)
Subject: Re: horror anthologies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.085009.1779@bvc.edu>, frantz@bvc.edu writes...
>I am interested in locating any compilations of short works by various 
>horror writers along the same vein as Dark Forces, which was edited by 
>Kirby McCauley.

>Andrea @ BVC

Try Leonard Wolf's Tales of Terror. Ity's pretty old, 10 years or so, but has
very good stories--some classics (i.e. Richard Matheson, Poe, Lovecraft, 
Bradbury, H.G.Wells, The Marquis de Sade, Harlan Ellison). Excellent book.

Don't know if this is what you were looking for, but I thought I'd just pitch
into the conv....

Michael
From: diane@Apple.COM (Diane Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: VC Andrews
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:53:30 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


A number of years ago I heard that VC Andrews had died, so I was quite
surprised to see a number of books by her continue to pop up in the
bookstores. I flipped one open and it said something like, VC Andrews
left her publishers a number of story lines and ideas before she died,
and they now had a number of writers producing these books in the best
Andrews style. 

I closed the book and looked at the cover: sure enough, there it was. 
		VC Andrews (TM)

You, too, may be a cottage industry some day.

	-- Diane
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:24:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

azathoth@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Keith Counsell) writes:

>Ok, who else out there has a mythos-originated user name?  

Lots of us...

-- 
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Best horror story
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:30:24 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <92Jul23.023212.22192@acs.ucalgary.ca>, kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes:
> I just recently read a couple of his books.  I thought Weaveworld
> was quite good, but I didn't think Cabal was too great.  I was
> really looking forward to reading it after Weaveworld, and it was
> kind of a let down.  The funny thing about that book, which
> suprised me was that it was partly set in Calgary.  I haven't
> given up on him yet, and plan to get a few more of his books.  Is
> Body Politic a novel or short storie?? Wasn't there a movie
> based on it??  Any other good stuff I should look out for by
> him??  
> 
The Body Politic is a short story and, like most of Barker's stuff, damned 
fine.  He has several exceptional books of short stories out.  I'd strongly 
recommend his Books of Blood--don't know how many volumes there are but 
they're wonderful.  I read Weaveworld and enjoyed it a lot, too.  The guy's 
creativity is nothing short of amazing.

Andrea @ BVC
> 
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From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (George McNoudal)
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:58:23 GMT


>Rumor has it this is due out July 31.  I have seen no previews.  Anybody know 
>if it's still coming out?

I dunno about a release date, but yes, it's soon. Saw a couple of
clips from it, and it looks quite fun. Can't wait.

NoimS
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From: frisinv@pell50.alleg.edu(Vincent Frisina)
Subject: Re: King's band???
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:02:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.082428.5044@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio  
Keih{nen) writes:
> I just heard a very strange & funny thing on radio (Finnish radio,
> that is). Stephen King has formed a rock band with some other authors
> and book critics. They should play Ac/Dc -like music. Is this really
> true or was the guy on radio just joking? The radio program which had
> this announcement doesn't usually tell nothing else than real music
> news and play some new music. But, somehow, I still don't believe this
> can be true.IMHO, King should be just an author...

I heard the same thing in a Dave Barry column, not that Dave is very  
reliable but I'll trust him. I was supposed to be a benefit for literacy,  
a cause I believe King is active in.
----
Vince
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Faerie Tale
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:28:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul29.115554.7197@linus.mitre.org> m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes:
>So, can anyone identify what I'm referring to? :-)  If so, can you comment
>on other books by him and the quality of them? Recommendations?
>
>As usual, any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Mary Anne

	Faerie Tale by Raymond E. Feist.  Another dark fantasy novel.  I am
unfamiliar with any of his other work, but found Faerie Tale a good way to
pass the time at work while ringing up customers.  I gave it a C+.

						Raymond H. Rich
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Ken, I can't send...
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:20:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

This message is for Ken (brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca). The messages I send to your
account name are coming back as undeliverable. Is there another another
address I should be using? Or has your system been down, or what? I hope you
get this message soon. Talk to you soon?
			Laurel
____________________________________________________________________________
Laurel A. Povazan			       	"I am Count Dracula;
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu			 I bid you welcome."
						    -Count Dracula in
						     "Dracula"	  
					
						"There is nothing there
						 in the dark that isn't
						 there in the light---
						 except fear."
						     -Advertising line 
						      for "Cape Fear"
_____________________________________________________________________________
From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Robert Macammond (sp??)
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:39:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <92Jul23.024523.19111@acs.ucalgary.ca> kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes:
>
>Went to a used book store on the weekend and picked up a few
>Robert Macammond (sorry about the spelling....I know it doesn't
>look right) books.  1...Stinger    2...Swan Song   3...They
>Thirst   4...hmmm..forget the name, but its about some guy that
>changes into a wolf during the war.  I haven't read any of his
>stuff before.  Although I will eventually read these books, any
>comments on the author?? 

_Wolf's Hour_ was the first McCammon I read and was instantly hooked.  I've
read all the all of the above mentioned and while most prefer _Swan Song_, I
liked _Wolf's Hour_ more.  (Probably because I also like Action novels besides
horror.)  Second for me was _Swan Song_.  For horror writers (and only mildly
horrific there), McCammon is my favorite.  I still need to read _Mine_ and
_Boy's Life_.  Enjoy!
						-Tom
nuclear winter, so 
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From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Robert Macammond (sp??)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:45:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <7169@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu> mikey.lo@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.
edu (Mike Loux) writes:
>
>I will agree with you there.  I have only read a few stories by Robert 
>McCammon, among which include Mystery Walk, Stinger, Swan Song, and The Wolf's
>Hour, and all of them excellent.  I have one question to ask of you McCammon-
>ites:  Does anyone know if he plans to follow up The Wolf's Hour?  I know
>sequels are sometimes cheesy, but I have always wondered what happened to 
>Petyr.  And besides, Michael Gallatin hinted at the end that the wolf's 
>blood burned within him still.  Hmm.....

After I read Wolf's Hour I was thinking the exact same thing.  It was my
personal favorite of his and would like to see the character continued.  It's
been a couple of years since I read it, but it I recall correctly, at the very
end he receives a note that implies another mission, so it's naturally set up
for a sequel.  Also, although stories about WW II, Hitler, and such have been
way overdone, I thought Wolf's Hour was very original, both in characters and
plot.
						-Tom
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:52:53 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <26610006@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com>, gates@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bill Gates) writes:
> 
>>	When the son was run over by the truck, and when his
>>	father went to the graveyard and dug him up, those were
>>	very unsettling moments. My son was about the same age
>>	at the time, and that might have been what made it seem
>>	so real to me, but I could almost feel it happening.
>>	I liked the ending, dark as it was. Much better than, say,
>>	a Dean R. Koontz book, where the ending is almost always
>>	happy.
> 
> Have you read the book?  The book does a much better job at character
> development, so that when the truck scene does occur, it is absolutely
> gut-wrenching.  I too have a son that was about that age when I read the
> book, and I cried.
> 
> In fact, I thought Pet Sematery, while one of the better screen adaptations
> of a SK book, was still lousy with respect to the book itself.  I thought
> SK did a super job of making us warm up to the family, and the old man and
> his wife.  The character development was excellent.  In the movie, both the
> mom and the dad seemed plastic, almost unfeeling, compared to the same
> characters in the book.
> 
> And the movie ending was a bit contrived.
> 
> Bill

Not to mention the fact that the scene with the bicyclist on the doctor's 
first day of work is much more horrifying in the book than it was on the 
screen.  All that ghost/angel-on-my-shoulder stuff with him throughout the 
rest of the movie really bugged me, too.  Great book--rotten movie.

Andrea @ BVC
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Lovecraft story "The Hound" (spoilers)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:50:15 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

chriss@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Chris Skelsey) writes:

>Hmmm. Where did you hear that he "wrote by the word"? As far as I'm
>aware, Lovecraft was paid for his stories in their entirity, with the
>possible exeception of "Herbert West - Reanimator". 

"Herbert West -- Reanimator" and "The Lurking Fear" are the only two stories
HPL wrote on commission, not counting his ghost-writing work.  Both are
serials: their sections appeared as individual stories.

He was not "paid by the word" as we usually understand the concept.  That is,
he didn't add adjectives so as to increase the word count.  He wrote stories
that were as long as it took him to convey the impression he was trying for.
In some of his letters, he bemoans how his stories are getting too long for
WEIRD TALES, which was the primary buyer of his stories.  WT probably did pay
him a fee somehow based on length, but HPL didn't write for the money --- at
least, not the stuff he put his own name on.

With his ghost-writing, he did write for the money, in part, but again not "by
the word".  In fact, he often turned a brief story idea into a long, mostly
original story, and received the same amount he would have for a shorter work.
In general, he worked cheaply, because he thought of himself, half-seriously,
as a Gentleman (as Ken Yousten mentioned), and if he hadn't needed *some* money
to survive, he either wouldn't have taken anything (for friends) or wouldn't
have done the work (for others).

>He also did a lot of ghost writing for an apparently abysmal writer whose name
>I can't remember.

Oh, gosh, he did a lot of ghost-writing for "apparently abysmal writers".  The
work he looked forward to the least was essay work for one David V. Bush.  He
most enjoyed helping neophyte writers, such as Robert Bloch, Henry Kuttner, and
Fritz Leiber, though he never ghosted for them.  In between, he took story
ideas from a number of would-be writers and turned them into decent horror
stories.  It's interesting how none of those writers (people like Zealia Reed
Bishop, Wilfred Blanch Talman, and William Lumley (no relation to Brian)) ever
had anything else published.

However, something leads me to suspect you're thinking of Adolphe deCastro, who
was already a published writer when he contacted HPL.  He had Lovecraft rewrite
some stories from a turn-of-the-century collection of his.  I've read the
"before" versions as well as the "afters".  DeCastro got a good deal.
-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
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From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (George McNoudal)
Subject: Re: Scariest Horror Movie
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:56:42 GMT



>>To my understanding, King makes a cameo appearence in every movie adaption of
>>his books.  There is an exception, but I can't remember which movie it is. 
>>Creepshow is the only one I know of where he starred in.

>How about 'The Lawnmower Man'?  (No, i didn't see it, but i'm just guessing.)

Well, (I was kinda forced to see it... and HATED IT!!!) that wasn't
a movie adaptation of one of his books *:)

Anyway, was he in The Shining?

Noims.
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game (was re: psychological)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:02:39 EDT

In article <1992Jul21.210711.27421@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Roberts) writes:

>I think the main reason you do not find too many strong female charectars
>in King books is because you don't find too many female charectars.
>Especially which are the lead of the book. Most of his main charectars are men
>and thus the woman are shunted a little. It is not neccesary but he does it.
>I wouldn't say that this is due to something has against woman but rather
>that being a man, King has more of an inside view to the mans perspective


	I think you're right.  You pointed out that many of the female
	characters (Susan Norton, Bobbi Anderson) have lives of their
	own.  But in terms of the novel, they're charcters are really
	dependent on the actions of the males for example:

	Sure, Susan Norton in _'Salem's Lot_ was a painter. But she
	is an adult still living in her parents house, to timid to
	strike out on her own for fear of offending her dominating 
	mother, marrying the good home town boy because that's what's
	expected -- a bright talented person, for sure, but not as
	assertive as she could be, in essence dependent. And her 
	ultimate role in the book is, basically, to be vampirized
	for the sake of Ben having a female to stab through the
	heart, a la _Dracula_.

	Bobbi Anderson in _The Tommyknockers_ is much more independent,
	living on her own, abandoning her family, doing it her way.
	But Jim Garnder is her weakness -- In her moments of crisis, she
	wishes Gard would be around to comfort her, to take care of her
	as he always has.  The ironic thing here is that once Bobbi
	Anderson is possessed by the ship, she becomes the dominant
	character, ordering Gard around, while he is the passive
	alcoholic, constantly worrying about what to do but not doing it.
	Of course, by this time "Bobbi" isn't really Bobbi.

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University -- Ninth Circle of Hell
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th (First 2 the best?)
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:49:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1369@sousa.ltn.dec.com> graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul15.132252.9616@newstand.syr.edu>, 
>>dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes...
>> 
>Actually, the original _Night of the Living Dead_ broke down alot of the
>tabbos, _The Omen_ and _The Exorcist_ set the stage for mainstream horror
>films, and _Halloween_ really kicked the flodgate open for 'slasher'
>films with it's widespread popularity and success.  
>The _Friday the 13th_ and _Nightmare on Elm Street_ films are all sad
>profit-only ripoffs of the movies that really made this genre possible...

I agree with the parts about "Night of the Living Dead", "The Omen", "The
Exorcist", and "Halloween", but I don't really think that the "Friday the
13th" and "Nighmare on Elm Street" movies started out as "sad profit-only
ripoffs..." As I said a while back, I think it gets a little ridiculous after
a third sequel...
			Laurel
 

____________________________________________________________________________
Laurel A. Povazan			       	"I am Count Dracula;
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu			 I bid you welcome."
						    -Count Dracula in
						     "Dracula"	  
					
						"There is nothing there
						 in the dark that isn't
						 there in the light---
						 except fear."
						     -Advertising line 
						      for "Cape Fear"
_____________________________________________________________________________


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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game (was re: psychological)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9621]: sparta
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:44:56 GMT

In article <22490@oasys.dt.navy.mil> obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek) writes:
>On the subject of Gerald's Game's appeal to women ...
>
>My personal opinion is that every woman in any King novel has been severely
>underdeveloped and stereotypical. I can't recall any woman from any
>of his books having any kind of career or interest of her own, only
>things that centered around "her man." I'm no flaming feminist or anything,
>but if you really think about this point, I think you'll find it's true.

I disagree... to a certain extent... As the first example that comes
to my mind:  Suzanna in DT3 (Wastelands) and any of the women in
The Stand.

Misti
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Info on ArkhamHsE
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:35:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bs0MMA.F2B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:
>In article <15449@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000939@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Squid) writes:
>>
>Anyone else know of a compulsive fear that has
>terrorized other great horror authors?
 
I'll get back to you on this!
		Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Friday the 13th (First 2 the best?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:52:39 GMT

graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano) writes:


>Actually, the original _Night of the Living Dead_ broke down alot of the
>tabbos, _The Omen_ and _The Exorcist_ set the stage for mainstream horror
>films, and _Halloween_ really kicked the flodgate open for 'slasher'
>films with it's widespread popularity and success.  

>The _Friday the 13th_ and _Nightmare on Elm Street_ films are all sad
>profit-only ripoffs of the movies that really made this genre possible...

I enjoyed the Nightmare on Elm Street films (several of them, anyway.)
They were better than the Halloween and Friday series because they
were more interesting.  Exploring nightmares, no matter how unrealistically
it's handled, is better than just watching some maniac kill teenagers
with a variety of garden tools and kitchen implements, IMHO.

I also enjoyed Prince of Darkness and the Hellraiser films, as well as
The Wizard of Oz.  I guess I just like films featuring magic.

Tom
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