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From: drm@stimpy.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Ted Frank's Predictions for the election
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:29:52 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: ESL, a TRW Subsidiary

In article 28006@midway.uchicago.edu, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
 >
>FWIW, I was running Clinton-Bush simulations on an old President Elect '88
>computer game.  With 0.5% economic growth, 7.6% unemployment, 3.2% inflation,
>and a country mood of (Peace - 4), it was a close election; Clinton wins
>when he doesn't make gaffes (the game gives him a very low composure rating
>for some reason), loses (sometimes by a landslide) when he does.  

I can't think of many boomer politicians (Democratic or Republican) that I'd give
a high "composure" or statesman-like rating.   This may be the residue of modern
politics.  The blow-dried candidates who always waffle in the precisely correct
way may not generate negatives, but they don't build up a resivior of positive
feelings either.  When they blow it they tend to lose a lot of respect fast.

Hmmm, wasn't Q1 GNP growing at an annual rate of something like 2.2%?

---
Don McGregor | Ask me about my lobotomy. 
drm@esl.com  |

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: t.frigger@link-do.comlink.de (Thorsten Frigger)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re^2: Natural resources as the source of
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: t.frigger@link-do.comlink.de
Distribution: talk
Organization: Link-Do (UuDo), Jusos Dortmund / WW, Germany
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RJC%HAL.GNU.AI.MIT.EDU@UUDO.ZER schrieb am 20.07.92 mit dem Betreff Re:
Natural resources as the source of w folgendes :

:->   It just proves the saying that the ultimate resource is people, not matter.

People's mind and imagination, not people in itself!

:->   Now if only we could convince Marxists of this...

Are there any left? I thought them to be extinct, like the dinosaurs! :-)


Freundliche Gruesse, Thorsten

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson)
Subject: Re: Bring Bush Down
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:43:18 GMT

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

>Keywords: 


>I consider this a good reason to vote for Bush. Quayle at least has an agenda,
>and an idea of what we should be doing in this country. Furthermore, as
>a former Senator, he understands congress (does Bill Clinton?).

isn't there some kind of assumption in the above statement about DQ's 
intelligence and ability to understand?
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: President Bill and International Trade
Keywords: Touchy People!  What Are You Afraid Of?  The Truth?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:08:41 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

In article <l6rhquINN6n5@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>If I selected the words you would use to answer the question "How do you
>justify taking up space on the network," you'd sound even worse than
>you are trying to make Clinton look.  If you're going to do fiction,
>you ought to find the right news group.  

	Michael seems to be better at giving advice than taking it.
	(especially when it's his own :-)

	He could have contacted me via e-mail,
	if he was truly concerned about bandwidth,
	but that's not what he did,
	and maybe there's a reason why.

>Try alt.put.your.stupid.words.in.others.mouths.

	Maybe he's upset because I don't think Bill
	would make a good president.

						Gerard Vignes

-- 

                Mai, y'all hab'en lisd'nen ta d'voice ah

                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:36435 alt.politics.clinton:1022
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Arkansas and Clinton
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:33:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:
>I would add to Bob's followup the fact that Clinton was indeed voted 
>out of office in his first re-election bid.  So don't make it out like
>Arkansas cannot get rid of a Democrat governor if they don't like him.

He was voted out of office in 1980 on two earth-shaking issues: Cubans and
car tags. Arkansas played host state for 20,000 Cuban refugees in 1979 and
Clinton's challenger berated him for not "standing up to Carter" by
resisting the Cuban influx. As for car tags, Clinton doubled the fee
in order to fund highway projects. His challenger campaigned for a
repeal. According to Clinton biographer and fellow Arkansan Jim Moore,
only in Arkansas could this become a pivotal issue.

The election was close, but Clinton lost, due also in part to the coattail
effect of Reagan's landslide.

Thus, the career of the nation's youngest governor was temporarily interrupted.

---
Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:36046 alt.folklore.urban:19827
From: klg@panda.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer -- rjj)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: College Pranks (Was Re: Vacation Time!)
Keywords: Ditch Day, vanishing room
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:41:35 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Duke University, Nuclear Medicine

In article <-cxx5+a@rpi.edu> nasadk@rpi.edu writes:
>[Story of vanishing room deleted]
>
>During the year I had my peephole stolen out of my door, so I replaced it
>with a bolt thru the hole. Returned 15 minutes later, and it was drilled out
>and gone. Impressed the hell outta me how it could be stolen so quickly.

 Speaking of drilling, has anyone else heard this story? :

  - Americans (around the time of WWII, for some reason) proudly show off
	their very small drill bit as example of fine craftsmanship

  - send aforementioned drill bit to German engineers

  - Germans send drill bit back with a hole drilled through long axis of bit

  I think the first time I heard this was in 5th grade from a teacher who,
while being otherwise very competent and likable, also seemed to like to
repeat such stories.  I've heard it a couple of other times in the last 25
years or so, but of course, no one ever seems to know any details.


-- 
Kim L. Greer                       
Duke University Medical Center		 klg@orion.mc.duke.edu
Div. Nuclear Medicine  POB 3949		 voice: 919-681-5894
Durham, NC 27710  		         fax: 919-681-5636
From: gt4925b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jason Woodward)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Jessie Jackson and Jesus
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:49:23 GMT
Organization: Politically Incorrect and Proud of It

In today's Atlanta Journal, there was a letter that stated that at
the Democratic Convention, Jessie Jackson said that the mother of
Jesus was a single parent, in his speech to the convention.

I didn't get to see the Reverend Jackson's speech.  Does anyone out
there know if this is true?


-- 
Jason Woodward | EE Graduate Student | Georgia Tech | Go Braves!

Reason #461 to not vote for Bill Clinton: Justice Mario Cuomo
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Perot at NAACP: "You People" Comment
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:08:41 GMT

In article <Bs63Dn.H4x@apollo.hp.com> moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
>In article <Jul.14.23.39.59.1992.16453@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>>On the other hand, I have never known a black man who was enamored of
>>a guitar.    
>
>B.B. King.  Robert Johnson.  George Benson.  Robert Cray.
>

How could you leave out Chuck Berry?!

>>-- 
>>The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
>
>Bob Moynihan

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.

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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Against Our Will
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:59:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <11400@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>What has changed?
>
>1. Homosexuals are no longer an "oppressed minority" (at least in
>California) -- most of them are aggressively pursuing a campaign to
>force the rest of us to associate with them against our will.

Wrong.


>2. I now have children, and I worry for their safety.  I have
>discovered, by reading soc.motss, and watching the coverage of
>gay parades, that there is substantial support for child molestation
>in the gay community -- perhaps not a majority, but certainly a
>large enough minority that there has been great reluctance to
>exclude groups like NAMBLA.


Liar.


>3. I have discovered, based on gay-positive textbooks and articles, 
>that homosexuals are disproportionately involved in child molestation.

Liar.  You are full of shit. 


>4. Nor is this just in books and articles.  I have acquaintances
>who were molested as kids.  One guy I know who was molested by his
>Scoutmaster at 10 would consider me and Phil Ronzone to be flaming
>liberals.  What causes gay-bashing?  Is it perhaps angry victims, 
>all grown up, and too inarticulate to express their fury except
>by violence?  It doesn't make it right, because they are doubtless
>attacking homosexuals who haven't molested anyone, but it should
>not be surprising that gay-bashing is on the increase now in 
>areas where homosexuality hasn't been a crime for many years.

Bigot.


>5. I have seen too much anecdotal evidence, and some poor quality
>statistical evidence, that homosexuality and child sexual and
>physical abuse are correlated.  It's not a big leap from, "molested
>as a child" to "confused sexuality."


Bullshit.




Clayton, your bigotted and hateful agenda is obvious for everyone to
see.  For someone who can be coherent on certain topics (guns for 
example) you show a complete inability to think rationally on the topic
of homosexuality.


FWA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Subject: Re: California Fields Poll
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:32:02 GMT


Was that poll taken _before_ or _after_ Bush campaigned in California
recently?

My bet is _after_!

Going to be kind of hard to campaign if every time you speak you lose
2 points in the polls.


-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"Going to teach someone a lesson" is a very interesting English phrase.
It takes the altruistic connotation of 'teaching' and turns it into the
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton" and Willie Horton
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:18:13 CDT


In article <1992Jul20.064928.319@nuscc.nus.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.035559.25651@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >In article <1992Jul20.024856.26736@nuscc.nus.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
> >>Or, to put it more simply:
> >>
> >>1) The Willie Horton story that a Democrat used to gain political advantage
> >>   in the primary elections, and
> >>
> >>2) The Willie Horton story that a Republican used to gain political advantage
> >>   in the general elections.
> >>
> >>In most parts of the world, this is what is known as a double standard but,
> >>hey, its all in the interest of a politicaly correct agenda.
> >
> >>There are two issues here:
> >>
> >>1) what are the facts (e.g. who initiated the Willie Horton story: the 
> >>   Democrats) and
> >>
> >>2) how should we interpret the incident (e.g. racism vs. security).
> >>
> >>While there IS a correct answer to 1s, there is no correct answer to 2s. 
> >
> >But there are clues to (2).  For example, Gore didn't even know what
> >race Horton was: he was attacking the concept of a furlough system.
> 
> So long as a majority of participants in discussions of the Willie
> Horton incident are genuinely surprised by the facts

The facts are clear: Gore did not use Willie Horton.  Gore brought up
the issues but did not mention any names or races.  The Republicans
mentioned Horton specifically and (Floyd Brown) showed his picture
in the ad.

On "David Brinkley", Gore was specific that he did not Horton's name.
If Gore is lying, the Republicans could simply pull out an 1988 statement
by Gore.
>                                                      (1) arguments as
> to the interpretations (2) will be completely lost. Of course, where
> the media is concerned, there is no discussion, merely a one-way
> lecture on the virtues of the liberal agenda and the evils of
> competing visions of virtuous society. Which is why there will always
> remain two Willie Horton stories: the one propogated by the media, and
> the one illuminated in a multi-faceted discussion of the incident.
> 
> Goebles would have been proud.

Nah, your propoganda is not that good...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: TSONGAS: Convention speech text
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:24:26 CDT


In article <1992Jul21.165148.6399@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.232455.2997@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul20.125436.26302@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> 
> > > Bush and the Republicans used Horton's name.
> > > 
> > 	That's a lie.  If you have proof, earn $50 by sending me a video of the
> > commercial.
> > 
> > 	Otherwise you might want to put *your* money where you mouth is :).
> 
> Floyd Brown used Horton's picture in an ad as part of Brown campaign to
> get Bush elected.  Floyd Brown is a Republican (just ask him).  Browns
> group has no formal ties to the Republican party (plausable deniability).
> 
> The Bush campain ran the "revolving door" ad (which did not have a picture of
> Horton, as Brown's ad did).  Bush did mention Horton's name.
> 
> I happen to have a copy of the 1988 Bush/Dukakis debate.  If Bush uses
> Horton's name on it, I'm in the money...   :-)

I have proof.  Bush used Horton's name in the 1988 debate.  My claim 
("Bush and the Republicans used Horton's name.") is true.  You can even
read Bush's lips.  :-)

Of course now you'll say that Bush's own nationally televised words are not
a commercial.

Do you want the video in VHS or 8mm?

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Jessie Jackson and Jesus
Date: 22 Jul 1992 03:53:43 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <64026@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt4925b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jason Woodward) writes:
|> In today's Atlanta Journal, there was a letter that stated that at
|> the Democratic Convention, Jessie Jackson said that the mother of
|> Jesus was a single parent, in his speech to the convention.
|> 
|> I didn't get to see the Reverend Jackson's speech.  Does anyone out
|> there know if this is true?

It's true alright. He also compared Quayle to Herod (the dude who ordered
babies to be killed). With such miserable knowledge of Biblical mythology,
they still call him the "Reverend" Jackson?

|> Jason Woodward | EE Graduate Student | Georgia Tech | Go Braves!

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:41:54 GMT

In article <l6rp2tINN9pk@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:


>|> I wouldn't have any problem with that, other than that if she abused
>|> it then my introducing her to responsible drinking had failed, and
>|> that she was disobeying me.  That's our problem, not his.  In either
>|> case, legislation isn't going to stop it.
>|> 
>So you can't concieve of a case where you would rather not have someone
>pressing alcohol or drugs on your children before you have developed them
>to the point where the can be responsible.

Sure.  But if my children are in a situation where they are getting access 
to alcohol or drugs before they are able to be responsable, then I am not 
supervising them closely enough, and it is MY fault.  I maintain that it is 
a parent's responsability to raise children, not the state's.


>But it has slowed it down.

That is true.  But is has also slowed down for adults as well.  In both 
cases, the law was irrelivant to private behavior.  When individuals 
realized that such activity was bad for them, they quit.

-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: fox@rei2.uucp (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:37:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: REI

Interesting questions.  Apparently what the people want in the
Presidency office is a shining white knight to solve our problems.  I
believe this is impossible, so what we really (pragmatically) need to
ask ourselves about a candidate is:

	1.  What does the government need to be doing?

	2.  Is this candidate a person who could get it done?

I think Perot was this sort of person, but that's another newsgroup.

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From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 21 Jul 1992 23:38:56 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com


Kristin Blais):

> Actually if you look at his speeches it is amazing
> that he uses the same speeches over and over and over and over
> again -almost verbatim. The "new covenant" popped up during
> his first term as Governer. I'm surprised he get's away with that.

Like Bush and Perot had a variety of speeches?  If you are going
to use something like this to bash Clinton, you won't have many
people to respect.  In fact, I'd bet there some repitition in
your own pronouncments of philosophy.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:01:20 GMT

In article <25726@life.ai.mit.edu>, rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) writes:
|> burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:
|> 
|> >Which name calling was that?  Whom did I call a name?  What was that
|> >name?  I described some of the concepts promoted by Libertarians as
|> >being goofy.  Some of them as scarey.  And some of them are downright
|> >dangerous.  I would put the ideas you put forth above in all three of
|> >these categories.  The idea that the government or a society has no
|> >business protecting children from a pedophilic father is not acceptable
|> >to any rational, adult thinking person.  A pedophile does not produce a
|> >"properly raised" child.  That's the problem.  Frankly, you can go ahead
|> >now and put me in your .kill file - I will not restrain my criticism of
|> >anyone who promotes rescinding laws against pedophilia.
|> 
|>   Jim is not only a liar, but also a colossal idiot! If you can
|> point out any net libertarian or Libertarian who supports rescinding
|> laws against pedophilia please tell me. Libertarians have always claimed
|> that one of the valid functions of government is protection from force
|> and fraud.  We support government protection against rape, murder,
|> theft, property violation, etc, etc.  

Ah, now who is calling whom names?  Oh well, I would expect as much.

I have never stated that any net libertarian or Libertarian supports
rescinding laws against pedophilia.  I will pay $100 to the first person
who can prove that I did so.  Just post an _accurate_ quote from me and
then call me at the number below.  What I DID say was that the Libertarian
Platform (the subject we are discussing) contains language that would
eliminate all laws we now have against pedophilia.  The PLATFORM advocates
removing age-based treatment in the law.  The PLATFORM advocates rescinding
laws that interfere with children's expression of sexuality, access to 
sexual information, etc.  You want to verify this?  Go read your own
platform.  I love the way Libertarians adopt a platform and then argue
that these things aren't here.  The damn thing was posted here.  Anyone
is welcome to read it and verify what I've said.



|>   Nevertheless, you have earned a spot in my kill file for lying and
|> misrepresenting our position.  Please, get some help, and kick the strawman
|> habit.

Thank you Ray, for elevating me to the lofty position of your kill file.
You are hopeless - I have nothing further to say to you anyway.



|> don't bother with private email, I've got a kill file on that too.

Don't flatter yourself Ray, I only send e-mail to rational people who can
debate issues intelligently.

--
	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:27:52 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
%Richard Crisp wrote:
%>Hell, girl, my history couldn't survive the scrutiny required to teach
%>high-school in most states.  Nothing _I'm_ ashamed of, but not good PR
%>material in this year of "family values."
%P.S. -- This is why I'm voting for Clinton.  I consider George Bush's
%stance on gay rights, and human/civil rights generally, to be immoral.

	Question: what are the top 5 issues that gay rights people (at
least the leaders) feel are most important that can be changed through
the political process? I'm just trying to avoid the "homosexuality is or
is not natural thread" which will no doubt be formed.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.history,soc.culture.usa