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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:24:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Neologisms

: My mother, who has just completed grading nearly 100 freshman comp final
: exams, reports the following neologisms.

I take off points for misusing "there" "their" and "they're."  I'll
probably get ripped for it on at least one course evaluation.  If
the comments are suitably semiliterate, I may even post them for the
amusement and amazement of the list.  I'm also considering adding
"affect" and "effect" to the penalty point list.

My sympathies to your mom, abh

Steve Karlson

Was it Fwp or Price who suggested "But you're an English *user*"?
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Deep Dish Pizza
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ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Bill Merrill) writes:
> . . . [homage to Papa Del's deleted]
> My Gawd, Karsten, this is pizza to die for. Why Clambake in
> Seattle when we can have a Pizza Pig-out in Champaign-Urbana?

To the best of my knowledge there aren't any Chambana wordslers
right now.  Besides, central Illinois in July is no treat.

--karsten

(of course with the recipe you can now make to-die-for pizza at home)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (71)

:       Thanks for explaining this and refreshing a long-forgotten memory
: (an oxymoron?) -- but my memory says the lagging horse was 'Bee - tle - baum'
: -- wish I owned the records so I could check.

Sounds like Beetlebaum or Veedelbaum, but I've seen it written
Fiedelbaum.  Does it really matter?

: Does anyone know if these treasures have been transferred to CD?

I have it on a recent tape, "Spike Jones Greatest Hits."  Likely it's
on CD too.  Check the Schwann at your record store.  What?  You
youngins didn't know you could do <market research> at a record
store??

Steve Karlson

I get demented on all-hit WDEK
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Assisting the police in their inquiries

>hell: I was also checking out the libel laws.  A "colleague" of mine
>is using a copy of an e-mail message I SENT TO SOMEONE ELSE to accuse
>me of "unprofessial conduct" [that should be unprofessional, not
>unprofessorial] and something else that inhibited rage prevents me
>from remembering at the moment - lack or integrity or something.
>(See?  I can't even type.)  You could say I'm miffed.  I haven't been
>'formally' [read, "publically"] _charged_ yet, but already the feces
>is hitting the Fedders.
>

Whom do you see as the libeler and the libelee in this?  Were the
things you said about him libelous in his eyes, or do you think he
is committing libel in what he's saying--or about to say
publicly--about you?  In any case, the winner will be a lawyer.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:40:58 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (72)

Here is an as yet unanswered Gleanings question.

17) Paul Fussell

  English professor at Penn who wrote -The Great War and Modern Memory-
  (1975) and -Wartime- (1989), a demythologization of the Second World
  War.  (One of the most interesting chapters is entitled "Chickenshit,"
  and is about the language of the common soldier.)

  He also wrote -Class-, a tongue-in-cheek look at class distinctions
  in America, and -BAD; or, The Dumbing of America-.  I've just
  finished the latter; it's kind of dumb itself.

  His essays and reviews have also been collected in book form.  One
  of the more controversial ones was "Thank God for the Atom Bomb".
  I don't have a copy of this essay, but he wrote that dropping the bomb
  on Japan was preferable to invasion of the islands; a brutal act of
  revenge, but caused partly by the Japanese madness in refusing to
  surrender.

--brad
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:15:23 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      American shoes
              14 Dec 1992 10:24:35 EST from <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

Blomberg is right about the shoes.  My only East Bloc story is of getting
off the Vienna-Moscow train in Katowice, spring of 1974.  Shady looking
character there on the platform asks me, "How much for those shoes?"
We're talking about a pair of hand-me-down wing tips here.

brad
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Identification etc
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:40:43 GMT
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G:
=> >I hate to tell you this Karen, but Americans stand out in a crowd
=> >no matter what race they came from.
Karen:
-> We already did this last spring or summer.  Not always true, Graham.
Natalie:
+>Karen's right.  I remember saying that French people always guess me first
+>as German and second as English.
 
--'s funny, you don't <look> jewish....

-bayla

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:12:37 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (71

>==Since each country has it own peculiar set of questions, it would also be
>==an indication of who is the most knowledgeable about the others countries.
>==Anyone want to play?
>
>==Carolyn
>>
>>I'm in. Prepare to eat dirt.
>>
>>b.c.

Ready with my Acme Dirt Digester

When and where?

-K

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:36:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Top 10
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> Five highlights:
>
> 5). The Louie Crew letters
> 4). Aaronology Episode
> 3). Giggles' Family Feud
> 2). ProjectH
> 1). The 10 days abh was cut off by an errant backhoe
>
> Five lowlights
>
> 5). Giggles' introduction of <> becomes standard W-L usage
> 4). Meat Nights I and II (W-L phone phrenzy)
> 3). W-L T-shirts
> 2). Clambake '92 [you know who you are]
> 1). All the love and friendship and other good vibes from [you others who
>     know who you are]
>
> Dishonorable mention:
> *Tushar gets a new persona
>
> G

This is just absolutely the most *remarkable* thing I have ever
seen!  These are exactly the same as -abh's except in reverse.
Like, G says they are highlights and -abh says they are lowlights.
This is just *unbelievable* it's like I never in my life I mean
how could this happen?
I, personally, am just proud as I can be to be included in both
groups, both ways, sort of AC/DC, topsy turvey, upsy downsy,
arriba/abajo.....
How could *anyone* say that the Family Feud was a downer, when it
brought us all together in one sweet spot in time and brought out
the absolute <best> in everyone.  I just *never*.
--ggs (whose top ten is on the way....)
From: ST403231@brownvm.brown.edu (Frank)
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>Posted on 12 Dec 1992 at 23:02:56 by Natalie Maynor
>
>One of the fears expressed when we first got the usenet connection was
>that usenetters would "take over the list" by talking to each other at
>times like this.  So far, the gang here tonight doesn't look exactly
>like outsiders, though: Karen, Brad, Bayla, Natalie.
>--
>   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Plus -K -MKAusbrook, and now me.  First time I've used this newfangled
usenet stuff (available to me through the help of some kind lady no
one can seem to remember).  I would rail on about the snow, about how
some incompetent petty thug tried to steal my car Thursday night and
only managed to rip the steering column to shreds, spilling all the
delicate-looking innards of said steering column on the floor of my
car after gouging out the driver-side door lock to get in (I mean
any self-respecting thief would have used a slim jim).  But I won't.
No time.  Hope you all are well.  See you all back in Bit/Inter-net
land when the Listserv finally sets itself aright.

Frank
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:03:01 EST
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?

*** Resending note of 12/18/92 11:29

>Greetings,

>Okay.  Everybody lighten up except Don, alright?

Aaarrghh, Marty..... :-(
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:58:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Red Line Story

>Isn't that canonical New York storefront pizza -- huge wedges with
>foldable crusts; just roll it up and snarf it?

: Well, when you ARE walking down the street, you have to make your pizza
: take up as little space as possible.  In any event, I always preferred
: Pizza Hut to anything NYC can dish out.

Aaron, you must pay a visit to Chicago and try a real stuffed pizza.
Or, visit Milwaukee and try Mama Mia's thin crust pizza (it's great!)
Pizza Hut?!?  ... Isn't there an affirmative action category for the
pizza-challenged?

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:01:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Red Lion Story

-rashmi, amazed as ever by Steve's knowledge of all things locomotive

What's to be amazed about ... I've been a student of the industry for
30 years.  If there are any Indian railfans, they'd probably trip me
up on Indian railroading trivia in about a minute or two ...

Steve Karlson

If it runs on rails I'd like to learn about it.
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Subject: Re: ULTIMATE NON-MATHEMATICAL QUOTE FROM DONNE

Natalie coos
>If I go to heaven and Donne's there, I want to have an affair with him.
>I find him highly sexy.

Sorry, I hear there's no sex there; it's a basic value.

JAG
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:13:08 GMT
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In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>
>>ocal parlance] too.  Mice and icons on am IBM - it's nightmare time, folks!
>>-
>>               ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
>
>This has absolutely nothing to do with subject, just wanted to say yours
>are much better, much, much, better than the other kind!!!!!!!!

Other kind?:-)

>Thanks for the LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Appreciative Don.

You're welcome, once I figure out what you're talking about.<grin>
Other kind of nightmares?  I get them too, but they usually fade out a few
seconds after I wake up.  IBM mice, unfortunately, don't.  I've used mice
on Suns, and that as tolerable, but on the pig iron?!
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:27:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?
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>   Natalie undrar:
>
>   >Uh oh.  I've been worried about my brain cells for a good while and am now
>   >convinced that the worry was justified.  I could have sworn that the list
>   >mail I've been reading was in English.
>
>   Det ar helt enkelt sa att vem som helst kan skriva till words-l pa vilket
> sprak som helst, och sa lange den som skriver och den som laser har den ratta

Etday arsay elthay eltenkay asay attsay emvay omsay elsthay ankay
ivaskray illtay urdselway apsay vay akspray omsay elsthay......
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:19:38 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: End of year Retrospective
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I haven't been on as long as most of you, so I don't know that I can come
up with 10 on either a best or worst list, but these are the things that I
remember:

Best -
        1.  Being made welcome when I, a true-blue-fresh-meat-newbie, plunged
                in head first to Words-L conversations
        2.  The support of many of you when I underwent surgery this summer
        3.  The support of many of you when my dad died in October
        4.  The curative laughs generated by many of the discussions
        5.  The feeling of family outrage when Dan and Gail's car was
                broken into (did I remember that one correctly?)
        6.  The wonderful descriptions in Torkel's writing
Worst -
        1.  The VMIers
        2.  The many times I plunged in head first and replied to math items

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Fischer indicted!
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Posted on 16 Dec 1992 at 13:28:02 by ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
>I thought that Fischer's liability depended on him returning to the
>States.

*WHAT* liability???  Could someone please tell me what Fischer is
charged w/?  They didn't say on NPR when I was listening last night
either, just that he had been indicted.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:21:49 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv

>>>What's a 60's mentality. I am attracted to the list and I don't know
>>>what it is.
>>
>>Is 50's worse?  "In the mood" to "rock around the clock"
>
>Oooooh....*serious* dancin' music!  It doesn't get better than them...
>just add "string of pearls"...

To repeat, what is a "60's mentality". I would like to know what my
mentality is.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:37:42 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv
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> Is it my imagination or have others noticed as well, that Universities are
> just not the fun places they were back then? Have the hard economic times

Yes.  Generalization alert:  Students of today seem more boring than we
were.  The exceptions to my generalization are the student participants
on this list, of course.  :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv
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:Posted on 12 Dec 1992 at 16:22:26 by Rita Marie Rouvalis
:>        CMC is populated by a large number of academics desperately
:>trying to find something to publish on lest they publish.

:I think that is supposed to be 'perish', but otherwise I agree
:with the description.  It was a revelation for me to find out
:that there is actually good stuff written on the topic of CMC
:in various communications journals.  If these people are typical
:academics, I am in the *wrong* job....

Hey, did I call it or what?

G
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Goofing off Saturday

>(also doing a little bit of goofing off this afternoon)
>
: Or just goofing around , and I didn't see this thing until 13:20 Saturday.:-(
: Looks like the Usenet feed is goofing off too....

I too was goofing off Saturday ... rode the South Shore Line from
Chicago to South Bend and back, and did almost all of my Christmas
shopping down in the Loop (made a list, checked it twice, I've been
naughty, everybody's been nice, burma shave)

Steve Karlson
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts

>
>Speaking from quite a few years of experience, Windows and MAC OS are
>not much alike.  If you've ever done more than turned either machine
>on, you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment.
>
>Chris

Sorry, your excellency, but I just don't believe the disparity is as
great as you suggest for the average user.  As a programmer (which I
am not), you may find much to prefer in the internals of the Mac OS
compared to Windows.  I've owned a Macintosh for several years, and
frankly it gathers dust more than it does anything else.
Nevertheless, I am likely to replace it soon with a newer one simply
because I need it for work I do with some others who use them.  I use
Windows daily on a Compaq 486 because the applications in use demand
Windows.  They are good applications, though they give me trouble
because I cannot remember what all those icons are supposed to
represent.  But for doing routine system operations, I'll go back to
the DOS prompt every time.  For those things, Windows is a clumsy
time-waster.

I don't believe I've ever said anyone is stupid for preferring one
over the other.  To each his own.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Red Line Story
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:54:04 GMT
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It was the IRT I tell you.  irt.  irt.  irt.  I don't have any 
memories at all of the Green Line, wherever that may go.  Besided,
most of Boston's "subways" spend most of their time aboveground;
the irt goes for miles and miles and miles and miles UNDER ground,
hence the name SUBway.  Accept no subSTITUTES.

--bayla
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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In-reply-to: LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:03:24 +1000

From Carolyn, who is *really* south-of-the-border:

   Here is the list of players in order, so far:-

    blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
    Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
    "Ruth M. Hanschka" <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
    Brad Baxter <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
    Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
    Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
    Carolyn Baird <lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>

Please include me...Anne Haycock <haycock@think.com>

graciously grovelling and better known as...

//anne//

   The following were less than clear about wanting to participate and will need
   to be more explicit if they want to be included.

    Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
    JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
    samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
    CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
From: ST402747@brownvm.brown.edu (blomberg cepeda)
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Posted by Frank the Debearded (not to say Frank the Barbless)

>A curious thing happened to me late one night on the Moscow Metro as
>I was returning to the University.  A young fellow asked me for a
>cigarette, so I gave him one of the Marlboros I routinely bring to
>Russia for purposes of winning friends and influencing people.  I have
>also been known to smoke one or two of them if I have enough vodka in
>me.  We were talking, and it was obvious that I was not a Muscovite
>(Sir, surely thy speech betrayeth thee.)  He thought I was a Russian
>from one of the Baltic states.  I said I wasn't, and he went through
>every Eastern Block country in an attempt to guess where I was from.
>Having run out of them, he went through all the Western European
>countries (well, at least the ones people as fair as I am have a
>decent chance of coming from).  He tried South Africa as well, if
>I remember correctly.  Finally he said, "you're not from the States,
>are you."  I was rather pleased.  I was also wearing shoes made by
>Timberland, if I recall correctly.  Either that or my black Frye
>loafers.

I've had that conversation, although they never start with Baltic Russian, but
rather Baltic Balt, but then Bulgarian, Pole, and on. The one other advantage
I had in "passing" was that early on I cultivated a taste for Kosmos, the best
(using the term advisedly) of the domestic cigarettes. Even with my Lake of the
Woods boots, those cigs, combined with my goood Rooshin wool overcoat, always
gave them pause. That, of course, and the fact--what the hell would a Westerner
be doing taking an overcrowded bus in the provinces?

b.c.
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Neologisms

> IMO, it is unreasonable to expect perfect spelling and syntax in anything that
> has to be written under time limit conditions...... only those who never make
> typos should 'cast stones'.

Carolyn, John Bertrand quotes an Australian football coach on the
real difference between professionals and amateurs: "the professional
is dedicated to the total elimination of errors.  It has nothing to
do with money."  Why should time pressure be an excuse for errors?

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:01:00 CST
From:         "Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet)"
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Subject:      ???

Somebody wrote:

   >"I is what I is."

Was that a Marge Schott joke?
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