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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:10:08 GMT

In article <UerNoWy00gpIReT19n@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|>  ML> I remember a short story in a collection, (Alan Dean Foster's "With
|>  ML> Friends Like These..."???), where a human gets into a conversation
|>  ML> with a group of aliens at a bar.  These aliens are technoligically
|>  ML> superior but mention being wary of humans because we use the same
|>  ML> possesive, (ex. my father, my car, my hand), for everything whereas
|>  ML> they differentiate between all of these cases.  To them, this makes
|>  ML> the human's reactions very unpredictable and therefore unsafe to
|>  ML> meddle with.
|> 
|> "Grammar Lesson", Larry Niven. I believe it's findable in his collection
|> _Convergent Series_, assuming you can find that.
 
 The Draco Tavern stories were also reprinted in the recent pair of Niven 
mega-collections, _N-Space_ and _Playgrounds of the Mind_. Sorry that I 
can't remember which one contains "Grammar Lesson", but a quick flip through
the table of contents should tell you.
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From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:32:34 GMT
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Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

ML> == "Michael J. Lonski" <mike@micros.COM> 

 ML> I remember a short story in a collection, (Alan Dean Foster's "With
 ML> Friends Like These..."???), where a human gets into a conversation
 ML> with a group of aliens at a bar.  These aliens are technoligically
 ML> superior but mention being wary of humans because we use the same
 ML> possesive, (ex. my father, my car, my hand), for everything whereas
 ML> they differentiate between all of these cases.  To them, this makes
 ML> the human's reactions very unpredictable and therefore unsafe to
 ML> meddle with.

"Grammar Lesson", Larry Niven. I believe it's findable in his collection
_Convergent Series_, assuming you can find that.

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:32:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter):
>A friend who grew up on the Gilbert Islands in the middle of the Pacific 
>says that the language of the Gilbertese is very ancient. He calls it 
>'Stone Age' but whether that is linguistically precise I don't know. 

There's a lot of nonsense told about language, probably the legacy
of centuries of armchair philology.

- To speak of a language as 'ancient' isn't very useful:  Every language
on Earth is the end-product of tens or hundreds of millenia of development.
(By the same token it's not meaningful to distinguish between 'primitive'
and 'advanced' languages.)  The closest thing we have to 'ancient'
languages, aside from dead ones, is languages that have changed relatively
little in the past few centuries.

- The fact that the Gilbert Islands are in the middle of the Pacific is
a red herring:  The Pacific islands were only settled in the past millenium
or two.

- Every language has its linguistic quirks, and those tell us a lot less
about the culture than we'd like to believe.  Science fiction authors are
forever coming up with lines like "their language contains twenty terms
for 'betray'", as though that means anything.  What does it tell us about
*our* culture that we have a one-syllable word that means "man who
entertains people by biting off the heads of live chickens"?  Very little.

(By way of digression, one of the armchair myths that was debunked early
in this century was that the upper classes, by virtue of their more
cerebral pursuits, had need of relatively large working vocabularies
(over twenty-thousand words), whereas peasants got by with under a thousand 
words, since they had relatively simple things to talk about.  Actually
following people around and keeping track of what they said during the
day revealed that the different classes spoke of different matters, but
used about as many different words.  This notion of class differences
comes from the same stable as that of ancient or primitive languages.)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Who Wrote RAMA II and GARDEN OF..., anyway? (was re: Next Rama Book?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1asrq2INNqk0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes...

>>Does anyone know when Arthur C. Clarke's next Rama book will be out?> 

>Never, if the ones before are any indication of it. So far as I can tell,
>all the Rama sequels were written by Gentry Lee, with Clarke's name tacked
>on. The writing style and plot is not at all like him.

     Check out GARDEN OF RAMA'S first hundred and fifty pages -
     the journal of their first ten years aboard Rama II as
     told by the main character (that woman, what'shername?).
     This is DEFINNITELY Clarke writing alone.
     It was painfully easy to see what was Clarke and what was
     Lee in both those sequels.  
     Clarke pretentiously wanrs us in his Author's Notes that
     everything wrong with these two sequels can be blamed on
     Gentry, but none of it heaped on him.  
     I think Clarke and Lee coplotted the novels, definitely. 
     I think Clarke did a lot MORE of the cowriting on RAMA II
     than on GARDEN OF..., but it's still a joint venture.

     Gentry has collaboarted with Clarke before.  Clarke has
     no reason to give him covert permission to go walking
     in Clarke's fields.

     Besides, Clarke hasn't written or cowritten a good book
     since 2061...  and that was an unexpected spike in 
     his quality.  The slide's been happening for a long
     while.  Check out GHOST FROM THE GRAND BANKS.

     Now the real question: who konws when 3001: FINAL ODYSSEY
     will be out...?


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Vonnegut
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:48:21 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Oct16.173322.17874@nmsu.edu> wimcdaid@nmsu.edu (Liam  
McDaid) writes:
> 
> 	After reading that essay on Farmer and Vonnegut, I would
> like to get some opinions on Vonnegut's writing.  I always thought
> that he was considered a lightweight in the SF community.

First of all, your last statement depends upon what you mean
by the SF community. Some of the best critics in the field have
admired Vonnegut (Blish and Ellison come to mind right off).

Vonnegut comes under attack, though, by the high-technology,
hard SF faction (that is, those who feel that SF really should
always have accurate science, promote technology, promote
space travel, etc.).  Vonnegut does none of these, so he tends to
not be popular with those folks.  This is exacerbated by the fact
that Vonnegut is both popular with critics and sells well. We
thus get a lot of "But, his science is wrong and _____'s is right,
yet Vonnegut gets all this praise. This isn't fair, and
Vonnegut's awful."  But these folks miss the point. Vonnegut
isn't writing about science (not directly at least). He's
writing about the human condition, and the place of man in the
universe.

Vonnegut is also unpopular with those folks who think SF should
be optimistic.  In parts of the "SF community," the view is that
even disaster novels should have an uplifting ending. Man's
intelligence should pull him though in the end.  Vonnegut
belittles this in several of his books.  Therefore, he is
disliked by that crowd (who also dislike Thomas Disch, J.G. Ballard,
and Barry Malzberg).

Finally, to my opinion.  I like Vonnegut. At his best, he is
very good: biting, insightful, witty.  In some ways, he is
a modern Mark Twain.  His best books are certainly worth
reading.


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:09:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <digdug.719089127@vincent2.iastate.edu>, digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran) writes:
 > In <pqppc6c@lynx.unm.edu> xoanon@triton.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes:
 > 
 > >digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran) writes:
 > 
 > >>I would love to see the "Ellenium" series by David Eddings(sp) put to the
 > >>playscreen.  It's your basic fantasy adventure mix in with lots of humor.
 > 
 > >And lots of gore. That's a point in favor of it selling but against it
 > >making a good movie. And it's _bloody long_! It would take a movie the
 > >length of _Dances With Wolves_ to do justice to each one of the books.
 > >(I'm not even going to respond to the person who suggested the _Bel-
 > >gariad_ as a series of films!) I have to admit, though, it would be
 > >great to see a well-done screen version of any Eddings Epic Fantasy
 > >Megaseries (tm).
 > 
 > 
 > C'mon, it wouldn't be like rated PG(for my taste anyways).  There are
 > plenty of movie that have detailed graphic violence.
 > 
 
A completely irrelevant aside:  If you want to see a *good* movie with graphic
violence, maybe you should check out "RAN", by the great Japanese director Akira
Kurosawa (the guy who did the original Seven Samurai waaaay back).  For those
that don't know of it, it's a Feudal-Japan version of Shakespeare's King Lear.
It is *long*, it is *good*, and it is *bloody*.  This is the only movie during
which I have glanced at my watch when I thought it was about one-third over, only
to find it had gone a full hour longer than I estimated.

Leif Kj|nn|y
leifmk@lise.unit.no
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From: bidelen@cs.few.eur.nl (Otto Delen)
Subject: Re: Dragonlance
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:19:41 GMT


>bidelen@cs.few.eur.nl (Otto Delen) writes:

>I've just finished the Legends trilogy (Dragonlance), and I was
>wandering does anybody know if there is an order in those books. 
>Which trilogy should I read first, the Cronicles, Preludes, Preludes II, 
>Legends, Heroes etc..

Thanks everybody, I've come up with two versions:

Chronicles
Preludes 
Preludes II
Legends
Heroes 
Heroes II
Tales 
Tales II
Meetings Sextet 

and

Preludes
Preludes II
The Meetings Sextet 
Chronicles 
Legends
Heroes
Heroes II
Tales
Tales II 

I've just started reading the first of the Preludes book, and in
comparison with the Legends it is definitely crap. I prefer tales with
powerfull wizards like Raistlin.
I'm off to London next Friday, and books are a lot cheaper over there,
then they are here in Holland, so I'll probably buy the complete series.

Otto.
-- 

" The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. "
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From: donnell@seahorse.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:48:54 GMT

In article <1bhvmvINNqt7@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
>In article <asnpy4b@lynx.unm.edu> xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes:
>>donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>
>>>or how about a Robert Anton Wilson adaptation?
>>
>>Illuminatus! : The Movie? :=)
>
>   Did I read somewhere years ago that the trilogy was once done as
>a day-long play, or did I dream it?
>--
>Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst

AT least five cities <including London and Seattle> have had a production
of the 10 hour play. You can watch it all in one day, or see it in 3 parts,
as I recall.

					--Judex--
From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Blood Trillium (Julian May) - thoughts
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:03:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.


After the disasterous Black Trillium (with Andre Norton and 'Zimmer
Bradley) I was reluctant to buy this, but since Julian May is one of my
favorites I thought some sort of decent story may surface with this
second Trillium book.

Well it starts off shakely, with an enemy who was oblitered at the end
of the last making a not-quite plausible reappearence (because he was
wearing xxx and was a member of the yyy men etc - all of which we hadnt
been told before). Each of the women involved do not seem to have
improved over the piteous self-centred women in this first - even though
the flaws in their characters were supposed to have been mended in order
for the Black Trillium and Sceptre to work at the end of Black Trillium.
The book does pick up a little, and was quite enjoyable towards the end
but the first 100 or so pages went very slowly.

And finally the epilogue. ARrrrgrggrggghhhhhhhh. Why oh why do the same
thing again to us!? Im sorry but what had turned out to be a worthwhile
read (not great though!) was completely ruined. I was left with a single
thought "Oh no not again"

Anyone agree/disagree with this or have any other thoughts on this book?

   
-- 
___________
  |onathan   Phone: +44 524 65201 x3793 Address:Department of Computing
'-'________    Fax: +44 524 381707              Lancaster University
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From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Subject: Re: The Shadow Rising (no spoilers)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.023334.13946@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com
(Dani Zweig) writes:
>Oh, right, some nitpicking -- mostly on matters of craftsmanship.

>1. A sprinkling of the names used have a heavy freight of association
>   from our own culture, and I think it was a mistake on Jordan's part
>   to use them here.  The most blatant examples are Artur Paendrag, 
>   Shai'tan, Sammael, Shayol Ghul. 

   Not to mention "the mountains of Dhoom."  Bleah!
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who Wrote RAMA II and GARDEN OF..., anyway? (was re: Next Rama Book?)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <j_tz2kj@rpi.edu>, kasprj@rpi.edu writes...
>In article <BvqMLz.E0A@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>|> 
>|>      Besides, Clarke hasn't written or cowritten a good book
>|>      since 2061...  and that was an unexpected spike in 
>|>      his quality.  The slide's been happening for a long
>|>      while.  Check out GHOST FROM THE GRAND BANKS.

> Umm, what? Are you sure you aren't reading the Anti-Clarke? Or perhaps 
>holding your graphs upside-down? _2061: Odyssey Three_ was a plunge, not
>a spike. A shadow of the old Clarke. _Ghost..._ was the book that 
>convinced me that Clarke hadn't completely lost his talent - not an easy
>thing to do after _2061_, _Cradle_ and those awful Rama sequels.

     The Odyssey books are his only works where he still cares
     about the characters.  Are you telling me he gives one
     little shit about any of the non-people in GHOST FROM THE
     GRAND BANKS?  You have to have a PHD in quantum mechanics
     to read that fucking book - and that's just what it was: an
     especially LONG essay on how to, mathematically with chaos
     theory and fractals, raise the Titanic. 

     Watching grass grow, by comparison, is edge-of-seat suspense.


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: In defense of Vonnegut (was Re: "VENUS ON THE HALF SHELL")
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:52:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.7245
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <z#2zt#p@rpi.edu> kasprj@jec321.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)  
writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.223004.1803@csus.edu>,  
gharlane@nextnet.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) writes some things > I  
don't see any pettiness there. Both parties were acting mature and  
respectful.
> Unlike some people I could name who tried to set the followup line  
to 
> "alt.dev.null".

Aargh. I didn't notice this, so my post went to the bit
bucket.  Jeez, Gharlane of Eddore (or whatever the hell his
real name is) really was sure of his opinions, wasn't he. Sounds
like he was afraid of anyone disagreeing with him.  

Oh, well, I'd spent 20 minutes debating the crap he wrote about
Vonnegut, and I really don't feel like retyping it.  I'll pay
more attention to "followup to" lines in the future.


> |>         I am delighted that Farmer's outlived Vonnegut by so  
many years,
> |>  and been able to have such a good time doing it. 
>   
>  If Vonnegut's been dead for so many years, who wrote  
_Hocus-Pocus_?

I think he was talking about their works. He's wrong there,
too, of course. Vonnegut's works are almost all in print. All
but a couple of Farmer's works are out of print. 

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: FAC_PDEIGL@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Venus on the Half-Shell
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:08:10 GMT


Kilgore Trout is a recurring character in the novels of Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.  He
writes science fiction novels and one of these is called Venus on the Half-Shell.  In 1975 a book was published by Dell called Venus on the Half-Shell, written
by Kilgore Trout.  The real author, however, is Philip Jose Farmer.  I have a
few questions about all this and I would appreciate any information you have to
share.  Why was the book written by Farmer and not Vonnegut?  What is the
relationship between Vonnegut and Farmer?  How did the book come about and why
was it written?  I have found little on the subject and would love to know more.
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From: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Alexander Szewczak)
Subject: Re: Forward the Foundation
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:29:11 GMT

YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu wrote:
: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
: >YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes
: >>    Asimov, in one of the last editorials before his death, wrote a
: >> scathing attack on economics as a discipline,
: >Do you have a reference for that?
: [snip] The reference is the editorial in Issac Asimov's SF Magazine Nov.
: 1991.  However, as someone (supposedly) studying economics, I do want to
: emphasize that most of his arguments can be countered with an introductory
: economics textbook such as Samuelson and Nordhaus, or Case and Fair. [snip]

Begging the question ... which can't? And why not?

(Of _course_ the sensible thing to do would be to read the editorial and then
one of these texts ... but that would be totally counter to Usenet practice.
And surely this ought to be moved to r.a.sf.science ... but the scienceness
of economics was really what Asimov was arguing about, wasn't it? :-) :-) :-)

Cheers,

--
| Dave Schweisguth   Yale MB&B & Chemistry   Email: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu |
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:10:45 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <Bw5zJs.AJu@cck.coventry.ac.uk> jat@cch.coventry.ac.uk (STBW) writes:
>I'd still like to see a totally book following films of the following
>Great SF Books ;
>		The War Of the Worlds  - HG Wells
	Only if someone like Ridley Scott directed and gave the entire movie
a 19th-Century feel, for both the English AND the Martians.

>		Dune, the other bits   - Frank Herbert
	I don't think so.  These books are just too dense to be done well as
movies.
>		HHGTTG, all 5 books    - Douglas Adams
	Opposite problem.  All the Hitchhiker's books, with the possible
exception of Mostly Harmless, are too scattered to be done really well as
films without major restructuring; the jumping out of the story and into the
Guide would really have to go; to be a satisfying movie the characters would
have to figure out their problems without jumping to the Guide.

>		Tea time & Dirk Gentle - Douglas Adams (again)
	More likely; I might be able to understand what's going on in DGHDA
if it was a movie.

	I'd like to see these done:

	Final Flight & Under Seige by Stephen Coonts
	Night Probe!, Treasure!, and Dragon by Clive Cussler
	...numerous others.

					-Jay
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From: @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:44:46 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA


|> In article <22416@venera.isi.edu>, jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
|> > 
|> > We were discussing SF novels or novellas that were by other than the
|> > "mainstream" authors (e.g., Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Bradbury, etc.)
|> > that haven't been made into movies, but would be great.
|> 

I always thought the first book of Anne McCaffery's The Dragonriders of Pern 
would make a good movie if they could pull off the Dragon effects well.

I think David Edding's Belgariad (sp?) could also make a good movie series.
	
		--Jennifer 
		jlevine@apollo.hp.com
From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Anyone read A Dark and Hungry God..?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:23:10 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Has anyone finished reading Stephen Donaldson's A Dark and
Hungry God Arises?

If so, how about telling me how it is (ie good, bad,
indifferent).

I liked the first two books immensely.

NO SPOILERS.

E-mail and I'll summarize. And while we're on it, I wouldn't
mind hearing about how you think the Gap cycle compares to
Donaldson's other stuff.

--
D.A.M.: Mothers Against Dyslexia
Steve Tilson, star of the upcoming film "Goyz 'N' the Hood"
From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Forward the Foundation
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:53:19 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1bc64hINN6sm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
>
>_Forward the Foundation_ is set for release April 1993. It is a 

Where did you find out the exact release month? The last information I
heard was that it would be released "sometime" in 1993.


-- 
Michael A. Burstein
Physics Department, Boston University         mab@buphy.bu.edu
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