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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: ROH's visit to CHINA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:19:09 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College of Engineering, College Park, MD


	The following has been requested to be posted to SCK by
	a fellow netter in SCK
	- I'm just relaying this - which means I have no knowledge
	on this matter.


ROH ARRIVED IN CHINA FOR HISTORIC VISIT
 
BEIJING -- South Korean President Roh Tae Woo began a historic visit
yesterday in Beijing, saying that it would help lay the groundwork for
ending Cold War tensions with North Korea.
 
He was greeted at the airport by Chinese Trade Minister Li Lanqing,
Vice-Foreign Minister Xu Dunxin and several dozen Soth Koreans.
 
During Mr Roh's four-day visit, talks starting today with Chinese
leaders, he is due to raise concerns over North Korea's alleged nuclear
weapons development programme, which has also worried Beijing.
 
-ooOoo-
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From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Subject: Re: Korea
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.133243.25451@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes...

>Yes!  I think the prestige of the Korean language will grow with the
>economic power of Korea.  As you said, if not for anything else, new
>generation Koreans may be highly motivated to learn the language for the
>most capitalistic and selfish reason of them all... MONEY!

   The motivation for me to have learned English was not for money.
   Sometimes I wish I knew French to understand their culture.
   Even today, money is not always the ruler for everything.
   I spent six years to study after college.  I even spent lots of
   my savings during this time.  What for?  Because I have a dream
   more than just money.  Six years could have made me a millionaire 
   if I had been chasing money.

>So, creating high-paying jobs for bilinguals may be much more effective
>than lecturing for hours about the importance of heritage and culture.

   Both of them are equally important.  The first one provides incentives.
   The second one fulfills richness of your life. (Some foreign people
   speak English fluently, but do not get any precious heritages of the
   U.S.)
   Did you learn Portugese for money?  I don't think so.

>James H. Choi  (hyung-joon Choi)

B. Sean Kim.......................

P.S.   I hate use my first name in the U.S. ONLY because people pronounce it
       buy-young-see-on instead of be-young-sun.  I think I have to put my 
       name on an Americanized Korean List for its mispronuciation.
From: jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suh Jung Yul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: ROH's visit to CHINA
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:09:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

>>Jung Suh  
>>P.S. : Imperialsts are not necessarily American nor Europian nor
>>       Japanese.

>There is no need to go into China bashing...  ROK have not been
>a model humanitarian nation.  For Korean economic future, this 
>establishment of relationship will be very critical.  In coming
>century something more critical to worry about may be 'economic wars'
>and 'economic imperialism'.  If EOC and such alliances ever come
>to fruition, Korea will need all the allies it can get.

However, if this potential ally is unsuitable because of her
outrageous imperial dream, we need to be careful.
This country tend to be strongly bound by its own past history.
There has been no fundamental change in the mentality of Chinese
in relating itself to its neighbors.

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

Jung Suh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Shane M. Peterson <shanepe@staff.cis.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: CIS-WBCS
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:56:52 GMT
From: hnkst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe han Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: sogang University's Address
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:55:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Sogang University is a Jesuit school that is notorious
for making its student's write book reports and TA's
checking class attendence, and take spoken English classes.

Here was a recent ad in the KOCSEA mailing list.
Hope this helps.
 
To: kocsea@allegra.att.com
Subject: Job opening in Sogang University
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 23:45:44 PDT
Original-From: Soowon Lee <swlee@ISI.EDU>
Status: OR


Computer Sciences Department of Sogang University is recruiting new 
faculty members:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Major areas: Computer Communication, Computer Graphics, 
	     Programming Language, etc

Number of persons: 2

Qualification: Must have a PhD degree

Documents to be submitted: 
	1. A Curriculum Vitae (with picture, area, address, and phone # 
			       at the right corner)
	2. A graduation certificate and a grade certificate (BS, MS, and PhD)
	3. A degree certificate (PhD)
	4. A list of publications, and a copy of publications
	   (PhD thesis or more than 200% publications within 2 years)
	5. A letter of recommendation from the PhD degree advisor
		    
Application deadline: 10/21/92 (Wed) 5:00pm

Where to submit: Gyomu_cheo, Gyomu-gwa, Sogang University
		 1 Shinsudong, Mapoku
	 	 Seoul, Korea 121-742
		 (Phone) 705-8121/8123
	  	 (FAX) 705-8122
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From: int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: Monash University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:22:48 GMT

In article <Dhy-Ad=@engin.umich.edu> tempo@engin.umich.edu (Kyoungkuhn Park) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.132019.11099@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.003508.27814@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep24.202508.9505@uceng.UC.EDU> ycho@uceng.UC.EDU (Young Cho) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep23.222119.1831@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>>>>>There are almost no computers in Korea.  Everyone uses an abacus.
>>>>Have u been in Korea recently?
>>>Come on... wasn't that supposed to be joke?
>>Some people are just......soooo.....
>... funny?  BTW, why do Koreans still use the abacus?  I use fingers to compute.
>
>--KP
> 


Well, the original poster was pretty funny..but the reply to it was ....well...
..could have done with a little bit more common sense...:)

Jae
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korea
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:14:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep30.235748.14585@lth.se> e91au@efd.lth.se (Andre Ung) writes:
>
>Well..., first (my opinion) is that no computer is smart.., it will be as good
>as the person who use it...., human brain is still outstanding.

	Well..., when you need to train those who use it...

>I have perhaps missed the point but, any way.... a computer is just a tool...
>thats the reality.......

	The reality is that I wouldn't say having better/more equipment
	makes good school but to teach/produce good/many people
	who uses those dumb tool, you need lots of those -
	(when I was preparing paper for UNIX-filesystem/disk-performance
	my professor even offered me a sun/disk just for me - since
	I need to newfs/fill-it-up/measure-fragment/measure-perf/
	measure-this/measure-that/newfs/.....)
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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Dual citizenship.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 17:40:18 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <27SEP199202100628@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>
>     Do you believe the detention will not happen even if the threat
>     from Korea were great?  Why shouldn't they since they did once to
>     many innocent Japanese-Americans?
>     Maybe you are naive.

	Just one thing, Korean (I mean race) American with
	James' attitue do not deserve the detention; but the others
	(such as vote for Korea's interest against U.S.) wouldn't
	have much to say.

>     There are many Koreans in Korea, who prefer westernized thought
>     and way of living.  That does not mean they want to be Americans.

	I was always wondering about this; what is exactly
	westernized thought?  I can see the difference in the way
	of living; but not much in the fundamental thought as
	a human-being.

	When I was in Korea, I used to think the people in wertern
	might think differently; but as I am here, I can see they
	have different culture but as the same kind of species,
	eat & think in the same fashion;  of course, I can't deny
	the difference between different person.

	If you say those culture related differences are the
	difference between the westernized thought and Koreans,
	I can't say any more on that; but I don't think that
	those cultural difference will govern the fundamental thought
	as a human such as what's right or wrong.

	However, the definitions about culture/way of living/thought are
	so vague that I don't even know what the hell I'm talking about.

	What I'm trying say is:
	say, A thinks in this way; but B from the other contry thinks in
	that way; in the mean time, A's brother, AA thinks just like B while
	BB, B's sister, thinks like A.
	Therefor , thought differ by different people not by the culture.
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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: sogang University's Address
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:41:25 GMT

In order to apply for a faculty position at Sogang university...

>Documents to be submitted: 
>	1. A Curriculum Vitae (with picture, area, address, and phone # 
                               ^^^^ ^^^^^^^

This picture requirement could cause some problems in the U.S.  In the
U.S., interview process does the equivanlent filtering function.  In a
sense, Korean system is much more efficient since it eliminates wasteful
interviews...

Maybe I will include my picture along with a cover letter next time I look
for a job to save time.  Might as well send a picture from my high school
days with long hair and an electric guitar.  A sure shot!

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Re: Korean traditional music
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:41:28 GMT


phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
: 
: But what is it?  At the first note, I can feel that it is Korean
: tranditional music (kung ak).  So, I guess it is the timber.  I hope this
: triggers a useful discussion on the topic.  Any info on this will be very
: useful for me.  I will save them and use it as a FAQ whenever someone asks
: about Korean traditional music.
: 
: 
: James Choi

There are many different characteristics to Korean music besides tone and
timbre.  The problem is that not one thing can be usefully used to describe
a type of music because there is so much overlap.  My favorite kinde of
Korean music is Samool Nori.  It is mostly drums and gongs beaten to a
toe-tapping beat.  It's energy and drive remind me of the speed-metal
music I usually listen to.  When one listens to it, one would not hear the
your Korean timbre.  I have my definition of Korean music that would not
be useful to a layman, but it has significance to me.  Korean music is
a music of intense pathos broken occasionally by fleeting joy.
Perhaps the same can be said of Korean history and culture.

Hyok Lee

: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: e91au@efd.lth.se (Andre Ung)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.043533.22799@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.203408.26146@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.113442.23330@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>>>Wow, last time I looked(which was about maybe two months ago, 386 was around
>>>two time as expensive as a US system. When I was there in 1992 January..i.e.
>>>this Jan, I could not site one 386-sx machine in any of department stores and
>>>386 at home was a rare site. 
>>
>>	Judging from the price of sparc clones they make - Trigem, Hundai..
>>	they sould be pretty cheap there, aren't they?
>>
>>	Also, don't they (Hundai, Trigem) donate some to Univ. there?
>>
>
>Last time I heard anyting about computer prices in Korea, a 486 cost 4000000wons.
>Now, that is about 8000$ Australian and about 6000$ US. I think it has quite
>a large hard disk but still, I have not seen a 486 that cost 8000$ yet.(here
>anyway).
>I do not know if anyone(Hyundai or Trigem) donate those workstations but
>I assure you, many unis don't even have 1 unix machine.(and not even a vms 
>machine).
>
>>>I am not saying anything against some institues but some universities don't 
>>>even have a stupid VAX machines.
>>
>>	They might be better off staying away from those collector's item
>>	(you'll probably be able to get Vax11's less than $1K).
>
>Also, I believe that Korean computers are actually cheaper overseas than it is
>in Korea.. which doesn't really help the country.
>
>Jae
>

Well..., first (my opinion) is that no computer is smart.., it will be as good
as the person who use it...., human brain is still outstanding.  What i know
from my visit in korea is that most of the PC's is about 2 times as expensive
than in Sweden, (an ordinary 486/33, 200 Meg/IDE SVGA/1Meg will cost about
$3000 +VAT, in Sweden). 

Second, is it possible to tell if a univ. is better than another just bec.
the computer equipment?  Well in my Univ. we don't have Terminals at all for
the students just workstations. Perhaps not that many, about 150 (just the
student net) for the EE,CS students, but I don't think that our Univ. is
better/worse than KAIST or any eqv. Of course all the departments have 
workstations for at least each of the employee's. Some Mac's and PC's too. 

I have perhaps missed the point but, any way.... a computer is just a tool...
thats the reality.......

Andr
From: jnlee@uucp (John Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Info about Korea wanted
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:34:21 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep30.165053.28919@siesoft.co.uk> jo@siesoft.co.uk writes:
>My husband is probably going to Korea on a business trip next week, and he'd
>really like some info on the following:
>
>1.  What is the weather like at this time of year ?
>2.  Recommendations of good places to eat in Seoul.
>3.  Recommendations of good places to see/visit if he gets the chance to 
>    take a couple of days off while he is there.
>
>Any information (in reply to this or by email) would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance.. 
>
>--
>Jo Baker, D9                        |email: jo@siesoft.co.uk
>Siemens Nixdorf, Oldbury,           |Tel:   +44 344 850450
>Bracknell, Berks, RG12 4FZ          |Fax:   +44 344 850096


There is a Siemans office in Seoul, so you could call directly and get
all the information you are requesting real time.  The weather, as of
two weeks ago, is very hot and humid - this according to my friend 
who was there on business.  As for eating establishments, it would 
depend on what type of food you are looking for.  I like Korean food
(hog haven for me) and you can get them cheap - couple of US dollars 
for lunch, or very expensive - anywhere from $50 to $200 dollars for
dinner.  As for western, or european type resturant, it is just very 
expensive, and not very good.  

John R. Lee (Jong-Rim Lee)

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From: int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won)
Subject: Re: Korea
Organization: Monash University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.203408.26146@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.113442.23330@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
>>Wow, last time I looked(which was about maybe two months ago, 386 was around
>>two time as expensive as a US system. When I was there in 1992 January..i.e.
>>this Jan, I could not site one 386-sx machine in any of department stores and
>>386 at home was a rare site. 
>
>	Judging from the price of sparc clones they make - Trigem, Hundai..
>	they sould be pretty cheap there, aren't they?
>
>	Also, don't they (Hundai, Trigem) donate some to Univ. there?
>

Last time I heard anyting about computer prices in Korea, a 486 cost 4000000wons.
Now, that is about 8000$ Australian and about 6000$ US. I think it has quite
a large hard disk but still, I have not seen a 486 that cost 8000$ yet.(here
anyway).
I do not know if anyone(Hyundai or Trigem) donate those workstations but
I assure you, many unis don't even have 1 unix machine.(and not even a vms 
machine).

>>I am not saying anything against some institues but some universities don't 
>>even have a stupid VAX machines.
>
>	They might be better off staying away from those collector's item
>	(you'll probably be able to get Vax11's less than $1K).

Also, I believe that Korean computers are actually cheaper overseas than it is
in Korea.. which doesn't really help the country.

Jae
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korea
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:04:48 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Sep29.143955.26733@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>I have seen many family problems arising from the communication gap between
>non-Korean speaking offspring and their mostly-Korean speaking parents.
>Not only is there a big generation gap, there is also cultural as well
>as language gap.  I see this as a one of major contributing factor
>in many confrontation between parents and their children.  Inability
>of first generation to speak English can be blamed to a certain extent
>but the problem of forgotten language/untaught language is another
>side of this problem.

As someone who often served as an interpreter between parents and children,
(in my ga-jeong-gyo-sa tutoring days) I am aware of this problem
first-hand.  However, the depth of the language required for this type of
communication is far beyond any college level language course offered in
the U.S. and even further beyond what sunday schools can teach.

The words that are needed for this type of father-son communication is
seldom used anywhere else.  And it takes a whole lot more than "did you
have dinner?" to understand each other.

So, I am not very optimistic just by looking at the number of schools.  I
believe only fluent and proficient English speaking parents can actually
teach the depth and subtleties of Korean language to their children in day
to day settings.  Insisting on Korean only will not get as far as using
English to teach more expressions and idioms because all of us are clever
enough to get around the lack of vocabulary (or expression) by combining a
few rudimentary words that we do know.

Spending a summer in Korea seems to work magic.  I have seen a few cases
where they make a literal quantum jump in their Korean fluency.  Nothing
beats learning to swim in the water!  Even I learned to speak English to a
certain degree just because I lived in a English speaking country.

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim        " 'All truth is simple',  is it not doubly a lie?"

James Choi
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: sogang University's Address
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:55:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Oct6.175511.26609
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Oct6.004125.7977@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In order to apply for a faculty position at Sogang university...
>
>>Documents to be submitted: 
>>	1. A Curriculum Vitae (with picture, area, address, and phone # 
>                               ^^^^ ^^^^^^^

I have beard.
Should I shave my beard to apply job in Korea?
Is there any body who can help me to remove my beard in picture using 
image processing?
Some korean in US told me it's nice, but those in korea comment it's dirty.

 >sense, Korean system is much more efficient since it eliminates wasteful
>interviews...
>
>
>James Choi

un-sig.
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korea
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:01:31 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I wrote:


>>Yes!  I think the prestige of the Korean language will grow with the
>>economic power of Korea.  As you said, if not for anything else, new
>>generation Koreans may be highly motivated to learn the language for the
>>most capitalistic and selfish reason of them all... MONEY!

>   The motivation for me to have learned English was not for money.
>   Sometimes I wish I knew French to understand their culture.
>   Even today, money is not always the ruler for everything.
>   I spent six years to study after college.  I even spent lots of
>   my savings during this time.  What for?  Because I have a dream
>   more than just money.  Six years could have made me a millionaire 
>   if I had been chasing money.

I agree with you.  But obviously preaching on cultural heritage did not get
us far as we can see from the number of Korean speakers among 2nd
generation Koreans.  I was entertaining the idea that this new idea may be
another motivation in addition to the usual ones.  Theoretically they
should learn for the same reason you and I (curious, motivated to learn,
etc.).  Specially when it has something to do with the blood that is
running inside our vein.

When the best reason does not work, we can resort to the second best
reason (motivation) and still achieve the same thing.

>>So, creating high-paying jobs for bilinguals may be much more effective
>>than lecturing for hours about the importance of heritage and culture.
>
>   Both of them are equally important.  The first one provides incentives.
>   The second one fulfills richness of your life. (Some foreign people
>   speak English fluently, but do not get any precious heritages of the
>   U.S.)

Yes.  You need both.

>   Did you learn Portugese for money?  I don't think so.

You are right.  I did not learn Portuguese for money, I learned it to
survive which is another excellent motivation.  But I made living teaching
it for a while.  It was nice. :)  

>B. Sean Kim.......................  >

By the way, what happened to my 3 (three) questions?  Ignored again?
Sigh...

James Choi