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From: 6145goldino@vms.csd.mu.edu (Owen Goldin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Folk Music radio is in trouble
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:05:42 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <92322.154739TMH1@psuvm.psu.edu>, TMH1@psuvm.psu.edu (Tina Hay) writes:
>Does anyone have any ideas about *why* folk music programs on various radio
>stations are being cancelled?

Not to be an instigator, but here are my two cents.

Here in Milwaukee, we have 2 folk radio shows.  One, coming out of Madison, is
about half interesting stuff, half terribly dull.  A lot of the music is
neither very traditional nor very innovative -- sentimental ballads with
forgettable melodies and bland arrangements, that were refreshing 25 years ago
but are like wallpaper, or worse, now.  The traditional stuff, when well done,
remains as vibrant as ever.

The other show is local, and there I hear beautiful, haunting, passionate
singing and songwriting.  These musicians are generally, but not exclusively,
younger ones.

My suggestion is only that 25 years of the same kind of programming can be a
bit wearying.  The old audience loses interest, and there is not as much to
grab the new audience.  But as we all know, acoustic, roots, and traditional
music is thriving.

Could we have a case of generational politics here?

Owen
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: jeff@godzilla.quotron.com (Jeff Marder)
Subject: Did the Canadian Gordon Lightfoot 3-cd set get released yet?
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:20:50 GMT

the pre-Reprise material was all due out this past week?? Can anyone,
particularly those of you in Canada, confirm the release??  Any info
on cost, track listings, sound quality, etc.  Any rare tracks, outtakes,
etc?????
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From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Maire Ni Bhraonain
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:10:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov20.231038.12984
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

In article <1eg89tINNj17@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> asmith@iti.org (Andrew Smith) writes:
>the Gaelic versions of the names of the members of Clannad?  Also, what is
>the significance of the menfolk being called O Braonain and the women being
>Ni Bhraonain?  These are the spellings (minus the accents) used on the cover
>of "Fuaim" and other early albums.

I think that
'Ni' shows up in English as "Suzy Smith, ne Jones"

meaning Suzy's family name before she married was Jones.
I'd always thought that came from the French, because it sounded French;
maybe its from the Breton??

I've always read that O' stands for "of" as in "of the clan of";
maybe 'ni' stands for 'daughter of'.
And the little, the very little, I know about Gaelic pronunciations
says that the consonant or vowel sounds before a particular word
govern how you pronounce the consonant at the beginning of the next word.

As in:  Mihail O Domnhail vs Triona ni Domnhail (spellings off)
where Mihail's name is pronounced "O'Donnell" but 
Triona's name is pronounced "NiGonnell".
(Well, if you only speak English & you learned it in Ohio, 
you pronounce them "O'Donnell" & "NiGonnell"; otherwise you pronounce
them like they spell them....)

And I think I've heard the Clannad women being pronounced as
"NiVronen"...vs "O'Bronen" ??? no-one ever talks about the men...
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From: magus@netcom.com (John Schmid)
Subject: Re: <<< One Tin Soldier >>><<< Background? >>>
Organization: Hellwell Enterprises Ltd.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:38:11 GMT

Can't help with most of the questions but "One Tin Soldier" was recorded by
the group Coven for the movie "Billie Jack".

Ciao

john schmid 
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From: per@aber.ac.uk (Peter David Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Runrig (Was Re: Capercaillie)
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:25:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <7048@news.duke.edu> kakleman@acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman) writes:
>Anyone know why Runrig's new album is classified as "IMPORT" (even in 
>Scotland!) and costs #15?!! Where the hell is it imported FROM!?
>

If the album you mean is a Greatest hits style album then it is an import
from Germany released about June this year, to which someone posted a track
listing too both Here and S.C.celtic.

>Andrew


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%  still walk through the garden, our earth was once green" - Runrig %
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: howie@ivory.cc.columbia.edu (Howie Kaye)
Subject: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!DIR
Reply-To: howie@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:57:13 GMT

In article <844.3169.uupcb@synapse.org>, phil.st-amour@synapse.org (Phil  
St-Amour) writes:
>
> A Different Kind of Love Song
> Coppers and Brass
> Gaughan
> Handful of Earth
> Kist o' Gold
> No More Forever
> Parallel Lines (with Andy Irvine)
> True and bold (Songs of the Scottish Miners)
>
He used to a member of the band 5 Hand Reel.  They cut 3 albums with him: 
5 Hand Reel, For A' That, and the Earl o' Morray (i think that's how you
spell it).

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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: ellene@microsoft.com (Ellen Mitsue Eades)
Subject: Re: Music to calm down by
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:35:30 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Hi Deb!  Bring your cats to work, that should calm you down :-)

(Deb posts entertaining stories about her cats in rec.pets.cats. But
I digress.)

I like to listen to the following albums to de-stress:

Celtic:
Silly Wizard: GOLDEN GOLDEN
Ossian: almost anything, but I especially like BORDERS 
Relativity: GATHERING PACE

Singer/songwriter:
Gordon Bok/Ed Trickett/Ann Mayo Muir: practically any album is very soothing
Heidi Muller: MATTERS OF THE HEART
Kat Eggleston: FIRST WARM WIND

Miscellaneous:
Kay Gardner's flute and harp albums
Donovan: GIFT FROM A FLOWER TO A GARDEN
Peter Elman: DURANGO SALOON (instrumental piano/dulcimer/fiddle, Western) 
William Ackerman (this is getting new-ageish, but I like him)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Contact for Irish and Scottish music of all sorts
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:19:51 GMT


Another source of Scottish and Irish music, videos etc is Lismor recordings,
who sent me a free catalogue today. They have a wide range of Scottish and
Irish music, including the new Capercaillie video "two nights of delerium".

For more info, contact:

Lismor recordings
27-29 Carnoustie Place
Scotland Street
Glasgow
G5 8PH
Scotland

Tel: 041-420 1881
Fax: 041-420 1892
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From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Clancy Brothers History
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:13:58 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.

For anyone receiving the Learning Channel, they've had special programming (
The Glory of Ireland) all week.  Saturday night's offering is:  The History 
of The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem.  It's on at 8:00 PST, check the 
guide for other areas (sometimes they're not accurate).  This was originally 
taped in '85 when they did their US Reunion Concert and is still a good 
piece of programming with a lot of music plus interviews.

Suzanne
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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Top 10 folk albums
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
	<MARTIN.92Nov19234029@lyra.cis.umassd.edu>
	<thurlow.722484609@convex.convex.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:50:58 GMT

In article <thurlow.722484609@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:

   In <MARTIN.92Nov19234029@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:

   >"I don't have favorite ones.  I have favorite ones for a moment, and
   >they sort of submerge and recycle again; it's a constant state of flux.
   >And it's so widespread, I couldn't even give you a favorite type.  Many
   >times it's one song on an album, or a sound.

   Wow.  This almost perfectly captures my musical tastes.  "Only one
   favorite?  No way, I can't choose just one! :-)"

   Rob T
   --
Just for the record, in case anyone missed the original post, I was
quoting Gordon Bok.  I also tend to agree with the quote, though.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: dbrake@cyclone.mitre.org (Dennis Brake (PSI) X7767)
Subject: Re: Pirate Music Anyone?
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:55:58 GMT

How about "Pirate looks at Forty" by Jimmy Buffet

Dennis

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: mstoecke@AFIT.AF.MIL (Michael G. Stoecker)
Subject: Folk Music Stores in D.C.
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:05:13 GMT

Hi,

My wife and I will be traveling through the D.C. area in a few weeks.  We
only plan to be there a day or so, but we enjoy browsing for our favorite
folk or traditional music artists in stores wherever we go.  

Would anyone suggest a couple of folk/traditional music stores in the
D.C. area?  I am especially partial to the Celtic flavors!  Name and 
address (or directions to) of the stores would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

Mike
From: chappell@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Capercaillie
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:05:58 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Dear Craig,
	Thanks for the info about Green Linnet and Survival. I'm not in fact in
the fan club, but perhaps I should be! In answer to your question about how
high Capercaillie got up the Scottish charts with "Cosich a\ Ruin", I'm not
sure, but I do know it was pretty high. I could probably find out. I should
explain that I was introduced to the band by the fiance of John Saich, the
bassist, both of whom I got to know while working on Mull last summer. (Its a
long story, and involves whales!) I hope this doesn't sound too disastrously
name-dropping!
	I was very interested to hear that there is a Gaelic choir in London.
I'm trying to teach myself Gaelic at the moment, and would really appreciate
anyone out there who speaks it posting a Gaelic note or two, so that I get some
much needed practice. I'm only on Chapter 6 of Can Seo at the moment, so it
might have to be a pretty basic note! I'm not sure whether Calgary means "Bay
of Clear Water" - sounds likely, the water is pretty Mediterranean in colour.
It may be that it originally meant that, but that the name has been so
anglicized in spelling that it's difficult to derive the original Gaelic
meaning. 
	On another subject, has anyone heard of a group called "Mouth Music"?
As their name suggests, they play a variety of Scottish folk, based mainly
around traditional puirt a\ beul. They use a combination of traditional and
electronic sounds, with a additional African influence. Sounds bizarre, I know,
but they are really worth a listen. In fact, if anyone is interested, they are
doing a gig at the Oxford venue on 1st December - tickets available on the
door.

Jackie Chappell.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Capercaillie
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:23:33 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.120558.10189@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, chappell@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes...

>	I was very interested to hear that there is a Gaelic choir in London.
>I'm trying to teach myself Gaelic at the moment, and would really appreciate
>anyone out there who speaks it posting a Gaelic note or two, so that I get some
>much needed practice. I'm only on Chapter 6 of Can Seo at the moment, so it
>might have to be a pretty basic note! I'm not sure whether Calgary means "Bay

You could join the electronic list Gaelic-l and exchange messages on the net
with 300 other learners and speakers of Scottish, Irish and Manx Gaelic.
I'll send you details if you're interested - it's free.

>	On another subject, has anyone heard of a group called "Mouth Music"?
>As their name suggests, they play a variety of Scottish folk, based mainly
>around traditional puirt a\ beul. They use a combination of traditional and
>electronic sounds, with a additional African influence. Sounds bizarre, I know,
>but they are really worth a listen. In fact, if anyone is interested, they are
>doing a gig at the Oxford venue on 1st December - tickets available on the
>door.
> 
Yep, they have a couple of albums, one simply called "Mouth Music". They also
did the music for the Drambuie advert, and are a big hit at "Womad". I have 
an album by Mouth Music's new singer, Mairi MacInnes. It's called "Causeway"
and is very good if you like solo Gaelic singing which has a slightly modern
feel - it's a lot more traditional than Mouth Music though! Mairi also sings
on the Runrig song "Skye" on the "Heartland" album

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From: peter@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Peter Dubiel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Distribution: world
Subject: Rare Air album question!
Organization: Zone4
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:58:16 GMT

Flipping through the racks at a used record store, I came across a sealed
copy of Rare Air's _Mad Plaid_ for a fairly decent price. I heard that this
puppy is out of print, and I was wondering whether this was worth anything
sealed (Flying Fish FF333, 1984), or whether I can safely go ahead, open it,
and proceed to play the living crap out of it? (Well, actully, I'd just     
play it once and record it onto tape).

Any comments, replies, whatever? Thanks... 


     _/\     /\__Piotr F. Dubiel___peter@zone4.ocunix.on.ca__/\     /\_
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From: dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Daniel Rosenblum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Music to calm down by
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:39:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University, Graduate School of Management, Newark, N.J.

In <3346@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

>At work these days, I seem to be in a constant state of stress, and have
>been thinking that some soothing music might help greatly.  What are people's
>favorite calming folk tunes?  I like all kinds of folk music, so it can be
>from any tradition, as long as it has a soothing effect.  Some pointers to
>specific albums would be great.

Although I feel somewhat guilty recommending it as background music
because its complexities really demand the same sort of attention as
the complexities of Western classical music, much Indian classical
music (as in Asia, not American Indian) might fit the bill.  Indeed,
I seem to recall that each raga has associated with it a number of
features, including a time of day, a mood, etc., although my more
or less Western-acclimated ear cannot hear why certain ragas should
represent certain moods.  Assuming that my memory for this informa-
tion hasn't gone totally rotten (which may be a strong assumption),
the usual format for the performance of an Indian raga includes
three sections, of which the first, or alap, is a slow exposition of
the raga by the soloist, the second, the name of which I cannot
recall, is somewhat rhythmic, and the third, or tal, develops the
interaction between the raga and very complex rhythms played by the
drummer (tabla or mrdingam, depending on which part of India).  The
alap sections could be very calming.  The tal can be very exciting,
although played quietly enough it might not distract, especially if
you don't find yourself tempted to try and figure out the rhythms.
Of course, the instruments used make a big difference: the shrill,
shawm-like shenai does not produce a relaxing sound, while violin,
sitar, surbahar, veena, and sarod might be better choices.
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From: mpc@biosys.apldbio.COM (Morgan Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Music to calm down by
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: mpc@apldbio.com (Morgan Conrad)
Organization: Applied Biosystems Inc, Foster City, CA

In article <3346@voodoo.UUCP>, das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>   What are people's
> favorite calming folk tunes?  I like all kinds of folk music, so it can be
> from any tradition, as long as it has a soothing effect.

Gamelan music (Indonesian).  Very hypnotic and relaxing.  I have
a tape called something like "The Best of Bali", but I'm sure there
are lots of others.

Morgan Conrad              Who grants absolution
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mpc@apldbio.com
415-570-6667
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: shecht@lamar.ColoState.EDU (steven heckt)
Subject: Re: "Put Another Log On The Fire" et al
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:38:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

	You might try the country music group, as this is from a e
	well known album by Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, etc as
	"The Outlaws". This included a number of hits, including the one
	about not letting your kids grow up to be cowboys (good advice
	I'd say, these days). The song is very clever (put another log
	on the fire, cook me up some bacon and some beans, go out to the
	car, lift it up and change the tires, and come and tell me why
	you're leaving me...). and of course, tounge in check and sexist.
From: TMH1@psuvm.psu.edu (Tina Hay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Folk Music radio is in trouble
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:47:39 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Does anyone have any ideas about *why* folk music programs on various radio
stations are being cancelled?

I'm coordinator of folk music for Penn State's public radio station, WPSU,
and we're fortunate to have 10 hours a week of locally produced folk music
(2 hours on Wednesday night, 5 hours Saturday morning, and 3 hours on Sunday
morning), plus "The Thistle and Shamrock," "E-Town," etc.  Folk seems to be
one of the strongest parts of the station, and usually finishes just behind
NPR news and the station's classical programming in terms of fund-raising
prowess.

I honestly wonder why we're doing so well, and others are not -- and I
wonder whether I should be concerned about our fortunes changing in the
future.  That's why I'd be interested in hearing people's theories about
what's happening at other stations.  What are the pressures that are causing
stations to cancel Folk?  What is it being replaced with?  And so on....
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: dick@admiral.uucp (Dick Greenhaus)
Subject: Subject: Re: "Put Another Log On The Fire" et al
Reply-To: dick@admiral.uucp (Dick Greenhaus)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:38:02 GMT

For the words to this, along with 3349 other songs, send three HD disks 
(either 5-1/4 or 3-1/2") along with a stamped, self-addressed mailer to:
The Digital Tradition
28 Powell Street
Greenwich CT 06831

There's no charge.
If you have any questions, you can reach me (voice) at 203/531-7314
or at dick%admiral.UUCP.yale.edu

P.S. We also include a full-text search program and a music program that 
will play the tunes to 1500 of the songs on your computer's beeper. 

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From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Music to calm down by
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:59:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov19.211627.17622@husc3.harvard.edu> olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson) writes:

>"Who Knows Where The Time Goes", by Sandy Denny.  it's on the Fairport Con-
>vention album "Unhalfbricking"  Quite possibly my favorite song, period.

Such excellent taste!  I knew a cover by Judy Collins better until a
few years ago, and I don't even like hers now that I know Sandy's
original.  The guitar work is brilliant, and there may never have
been such a voice.

Rob T
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From: skravis@garnet.csis.dit.csiro.au (Simon Kravis)
Subject: Origin and meaning of the word klezmer
Organization: /users/vis/skravis/.organization
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:55:33 GMT

 Can anyone tell me what the word klezmer means ? (presumably it's Yiddish in origin)

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