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From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Goth-neophyte-idiotic-question list
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:59:44 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: UB

Ok, let's assume there's this total newbie.  Let's assume he doesn't
know much about Goth stuff, except from reading a handful of backlogged 
posts on this group.  Let's assume he's not me, 'cause I hate to admit
I don't know anything.

So this guy tell you that he owns maybe a handful of goth albums, depending
on how you define Goth, I guess.

	Sisters - Floodland (greeeeeeat!)
	Cult - Love (great!)
	L&R - Express, 7th Dream of Teenage Heaven
	Siousie - Hyaena, Juju
	The Cure - The Singles
	Echo and The Bunnymen - Porcupine
	Joy Division - everything (and it's great! :-)

He loves some of the tracks on _Floodland_ ("Dominion", "This Corrosion",
"Lucretia", et al), but thinks some of the others are duds ("Flood 
I & II").  

He likes almost all of _Love_.  

Love & Rockets just doesn't twist his crank (got the tapes from a 
friend).

He thinks _Juju_ is ok, _Hyaena_ is great.

He loves The Cure, and will eventually get everything by them.  ;-)

He thinks _Porcupine_ is really good too, and likes what he's heard of
_Crocodiles_ and _Heaven Up Here_.

Joy Division is one of his favorite bands.

=================================================================

Ok, so what's the next step?  More Sisters or Sisters-like stuff would be
great...  Nephilim?  Or another Sisters album?

More Joy Division-like stuff would be great too.  The Bauhaus maybe?

Yes, that's a request for advice.  Fire away.  :-)

-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
From: wiatr-m@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marc Wiatrowski)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The Cure (mailing lists)
Keywords: subscriptions
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:30:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr9.023051.27847
Organization: UB

pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) writes:

>The Cure are not Gothic - have you not heard of the imtense hatred shown
>to Cureheads by Goths?


what ever.
From: dat92bjo@ludat.lth.se (Bo Jonsson)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Lyrics to Adrenochrome (SoM)
Keywords: sisters
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:08:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Lund University, Sweden

Is there someone that has the lyrics to Adrenochrome by The Sisters of Mercy?

Please answer, Here or by mail.

Thanks in advance
BJ
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bo Jonsson              | As the water flows over the bridge    | 
(dat92bjo@ludat.lth.se) | As we walk on the floodland           | 
S. Stenbocksg 101:4     | As we walk on the water, We forget... | 
252 44 HELSINGBORG      | We forget, the rain from heaven       |
SWEDEN                  |               / Andrew Eldritch (SoM) |
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Sisters of Mercy
From: Voodoo@kcbbs.gen.nz (Clarke Anderson)
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:25:54 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand


-> apart from the input from Ofra Haza (this is NOT a joke!).

hahaha, sounds like Andy E. finally plucked up the courage to ask her 
out :-)

wonder if she'll feature any more on future SOM projects...

Goth meets arab... what do we get??? 

some kind of monolithic Saddam type person, who looks at the worlkd 
with some distaste??? :-)

hey, so when are reviews gonna start to flow here..... i'll be waiting 
till at least the end of May before i get a copy, so start posting...
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: The Cure are Goth.
Keywords: subscriptions
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:57:22 GMT

In article <mcdonghj.702901301@unix2.tcd.ie> mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.181708.18387@mcs.anl.gov> sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:

>Corey has compiled a list of bands that are either 'Gothic' (Which I stated
>above is a very subjective term, and bands that are related to it by
>virtue of their sound.. Loud Guitar, Interesting lyrics references.
>You can get the gothlist from Corey at:
>n8442349@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu
NO NO NO NO! not for sometime now. that's my SO's account and she doesn't
want to hear about it. mail ieya@u.washington.edu. brownie points for figuring
out where it got the login name. :-)

>Corey also manages the FAQ for the Sisters as well as keeping all the 
>lyrics and discographies.
>Corey is 'just' [No offense Corey :-)] a sisters fan who has gone to
>the trouble of doing this.
sorta, i actually started the gothlist about 2 years ago as a way to amass
ideas for my band(which hasn't happened yet :->) and it's simply gotten out
of hand... :->



-- 
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu||  'agony is born of desire, that's what you get
rise and reverberate       ||		for wanting...'
mail me for a Sisters of   ||			'wanting' MOEV
Mercy discography,FAQ,etc..||
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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Subject: Re: the damn 4ad list
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:05:39 GMT

In <1992Apr9.194351.3985@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) writes:

>having tried every variation i could think of and getting nowhere with the
>damn auto-server. would the manager of the 4ad mailing list please e-mail me
>or simply subscribe me? gracias.....

ditto for me.  i can't get contact.

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

sjohnson@sgi.com
From: shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins older stuff
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:09:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings) writes:

>I have heard some of there latest stuff and was revolted... too pretty etc etc

>But a friend of mine came over and plopped their "first" CD down on my 
>desk and said, "I thought that you might have an inaccurate picture of who
>these guys really are... try this." It was Garlands, including the Peel
>Sessions and two other tracks...

>THIS CD KICKS! Damn it is good... What else of theirs runs along the same
>track??? I haven't been able to STOP listening to Garlans and I'd like some
>more...

you might want to try the "Lullabies" and "Peppermint Pig" EP's. after that,
the Twins began to develop their 'pretty' sound with "Head Over Heels" LP
and the following EP's. but i would hardly call their recent works
'revolting'!
-r.



--
|| ______  ____________  Rich Yeung                 |  i'm too sexy for  ||
|| \    / ____________  HB 3715 Dartmouth College   |     this .sig      ||
||  \  / ____________  Hanover, NH 03755            | ------------------ ||
||   \/ ____________  shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu    |   STRIKE A POSE.   ||
From: rwyatt@niji.claremont.edu (Robert Wyatt)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: A PLEASANT SURPRISE........
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:21:29 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College

How many of you of are looking for a good new goth band to get into ?   
I am a big fan of everyone from Bauhaus to the Cure to Siouxsie to  
Cocteau Twins - and many in between.

I am originally from the east coast, near Washington D.C.  Anybody  
familiar with the D.C. music scene ?  Yeah, yeah, mostly Dischord  
Records stuff (hardly goth...)  Well, there is this one band...

I discovered Strange Boutique about four years ago and have been a  
devoted fan ever since.  Fronted by Monica Richards, ex-Madhouse  
(original D.C. Madhouse) singer (with a vastly improved set of  
pipes), Strange Boutique truly brings back the days of Siouxsie's  
JuJu, among others.  

The band has one EP, one 7", and now finally after many years of hard  
work, a self-produced/self-financed CD/Cass. out.  Strange Boutique  
doesn't really buy into the D.C. scene.  They aren't on Dischord.   
They have their own label for their releases.  And, they don't want  
to leave D.C. to try to get signed (and believe me, they deserve to  
be signed !!!)  The music is raw goth with fragile (yet powerful)  
vocals and an often funky bass.  To describe them in a sentence:   
Take old Siouxsie (JuJu, Kiss in the Dreamhouse), old Cure, and  
Cocteau Twins, shake, don't stir, and voila...  That's Strange  
Boutique.  If anyone is interested in some more info., drop me a  
line.  CDs are $12 post-paid, cassettes, $8, from the band.  Check  
them out !  You won't be disappointed !

-Robert Wyatt
rwyatt@claremont.edu
From: nak@maths.nott.ac.uk (Nicki Keating)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The Cure (mailing lists)
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:01:04 GMT
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <pdlemass.702719279@unix2.tcd.ie> (Something original) writes:

>The Cure are not Gothic - have you not heard of the imtense hatred shown
>to Cureheads by Goths?


NO, tell us about it, why don't you.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: The Cure (mailing lists)
Keywords: subscriptions
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:37:34 GMT

In article <pdlemass.702719279@unix2.tcd.ie> pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) writes:
>The Cure are not Gothic - have you not heard of the imtense hatred shown
>to Cureheads by Goths?

get a life please. goth is not a genre, it's an atmosphere. if faith,17
seconds, pornography and disintegration aren't goth perhaps you'd care to
explain excatly how you _would_ label them since they aren't 'goth' enough
for you.

-- 
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu||  'when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro'
rise and reverberate       ||	   the last days of christ the vampire
mail me for a Sisters of   ||		by jg eccarius
Mercy discography,FAQ,etc..||
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From: thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek)
Subject: Re: Death In June
Originator: thomas@Olympus.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:01:34 GMT


In article <1992Apr9.042255.12130@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin) writes:
|> wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:
|> 
|> >I recently picked up a CD from this band about a year ago.  Though the
|> >lyrics and composition are simple, they are nevertheless very effective.
|> >In particular the lyrics.  I originally heard of this band off of a
|> >compilation called "Sacred War" containing works of those artists
|> >affiliated with Satan whorship.  Could anyone foward more info concerning
|> >this band or Satan whorship (in general, book titles woudl be good) to me.
|> 
|> 	Death In June as far as I was aware is involved most strongly
|> with the reforming of Germany as a superpower. Their ensignia is the
|> 6 and skull-and-crossbones of the Nazi-elite Death Corps. I assume
|> their name to be a euilogy to the fall of Germany in June (= #6 month).
|> They do not, however, seem interested in nazism, rather Germany as a 
|> nation. I am actually surprised to find them associated with satanic
|> references, as I have never encounterd anything having to do with that
|> in their works. Please tell more about this release. 
|> 	Most of anything-but-newwest stuff is good, but their releases
|> tend to overlap. If you were to only buy one release, I recommend 
|> the Corn Years, as it is very close to a 'best-of'.
|> 	As for the inquiry into satanism, you need to specify what aspects
|> you are interested in...philosophy, current cults, practice, history, etc.
|> 
|> 

Death in June seems to be interested in European folk mysticism -
those seem to be the symbols they draw upon. I have read that there
is no significance to the name `death in june' itself. The connection
to `satanism' may be through their collaboration with members of 
Current 93, specifically David Tibet. Who, in turn, draws upon 
the works of A. Crowley (a self-proclaimed anti-Christ). Current 93 
is a highly recommended band - check out the CD`s `Swastikas for Noddy'
and `Dogs Blood Rising'.

Thomas
From: andrewmu@castle.ed.ac.uk (Andrew Murdoch)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Temple of Love 1992 : REPORT
Keywords: sisters mercy goth aspidistra
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:43:15 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University


 Yesterday I heard Temple of Love 1992 on the radio, in my friend's
flat. I didn't know what it was until I was told and I was not entirely
happy with the way it sounded. Luckily my friend had the presence of 
mind to tape it. I have a copy and now, after listening to it for most
of last night, I have to say : I LIKE it. The 'whines' from Ofra Haza
which I thought sounded artificial now sound Perfect. The whole song is
now louder, deeper, richer and better produced than before. I only heard
4 minutes (of 8) and not the intro but it truelly is of a standard
deserving of the original.

 The release date was for today 14th April but it seems that it has been
delayed until next week.

 I really think this thing is going to be a tremendous hit, which it
just as well because it will give the general populance a chance to hear
something far better than the usual stuff they get.

-- 
| Andrew A. Murdoch                                  andrewmu@castle.ed.ac.uk |
From: umage@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu Lock the Target) (1)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Keywords: morality life chaos love cat
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:35:06 GMT

>This is the agony of the mundane. This is life. Life is boring and
>tiresome and painful.

>  Still, it's better than oblivion (I think).

>I am alive, I am a human, it is my right
>-- 
>| Andrew A. Murdoch                                  andrewmu@castle.ed.ac.uk |

Hmm. I agree with most of what you said, that life is a lot of pain, but i dunno
about the boring bit.  Certianly compared to the grand things like Love and
dancing it can be dull, but not always.  Sure sometimes i go through the
whole day utterly bored out of my mind, but other times the traffic lights
can be fascinating.  People i find are especially interesting to watch, even
the ones who are living as you say in a dream state.  (I don't deny that i am,
(It would be unreasonable to think that i am not filtering what i sense) but
at least i and you, Andrew are aware of the state of blindness)

But what really interests me is your last comment that even this is better
than oblivion.  Is it?  I mean is painful existence actually better than
non existence?  I have not decided yet.  Sometimes pain is welcome because it
can convince me that i exist, but isn't that kindof silly?  It seems that if
this life's pain is really unbalanced by its good, i will choose oblivion.
(or soemthing)

love,
mage
From: P.J.Jeffcock@bradford.ac.uk (Phil Jeffcock)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: New Sisters release
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:11:42 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: phil@hotel

In article <EIGENSTR.92Apr13173628@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> eigenstr@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink) writes:
>OK...so call me stupid.  I was under the impression that the new
>Sisters album was going to be released today (April 13)...but nobody
>around here has heard of it.  Was I suckered into believing that that
>was the U.S. release date, and it's actually for somewhere else?
>
>Talk about disappointments...I've been waiting too long for it
>already... :)
>
April 13 was the UK release date but I am told that it has been put back a
week. Unfortunately, the Mission managed to meet their release date!

-- 
Phil Jeffcock (phil@bradford.ac.uk)
Computer Centre, University of Bradford, Bradford, UK. +44.274.383317.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin)
Subject: Diamanda Galas Sings The Blues
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:15:08 GMT

	Not exactly what _I_ showed up for. I suppose if you like blues
and you like DG, the show must have been fabulous. But I was expecting
Sono l'Antichristo, sono l'Feche de Senor (I am the antichrist, i am the
shit of god) but instead was some heartfelt 'Baby, baby's.
	Not an expensive show (thus it was appropriately priced), but I
wish that I had seen her perform the Plague Mass. 
	(And talk about unprofessional...!)


                         disturbance in progress...
                               please do not experiment!!!

	   	        	deadwolfkeiner
	                      deadwolf@uiuc.edu
	       	University of Illinois @ Cham/bana Illinois

                         (A Meta-Theoretical Odinist)
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: A PLEASANT SURPRISE........
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:47:30 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

in article <1992Apr15.032129.8531@muddcs.claremont.edu>, rwyatt@niji.claremont.edu (Robert Wyatt) says:
> 
> The band has one EP, one 7", and now finally after many years of hard  
> work, a self-produced/self-financed CD/Cass. out.  Strange Boutique  
> doesn't really buy into the D.C. scene.  They aren't on Dischord.   

Any lable details ? Is this stuff available on import in the UK ?
(and is the album available on vinyl or not....)

-bat.
-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )     -+
Adaptive Systems Engineering    |
                                +-       memento mori, remember to die
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: The Cure are Goth.
Keywords: subscriptions
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:15:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.181708.18387@mcs.anl.gov> sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:
>In article <mcdonghj.702742171@unix2.tcd.ie> mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....) writes:
>>In <pdlemass.702719279@unix2.tcd.ie> pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) writes:
>>
>>>The Cure are not Gothic - have you not heard of the imtense hatred shown
>>>to Cureheads by Goths?
	and a comment i forgot to make the first time: interesting logic here.
some bonehead goths don't like the cure or their fans, therefore the cure
aren't goth. um, 'interesting' idea. too bad it's totally stupid.

>>Peter,
>>	You know that the Cure are not one of my fav. bands but please don't start a
>>	flame war as to what is or isn't gothic. Disintegration anyhow is quite
>>	a 'gothic' album. Also many goths listen to the Cure.
>>	Please be wary what you say.
>>	Gothicism has already been defined 'musicwise' as being really what each 
>>	person wants it to be.
>>	As far as some are concerned the Sisters, the Nephilim and Siouxie are the
>>	epitome of Goth, but come on. Read Coreys GothList.
>>
>
>"Let us define out terms."  Philos 101
>
>I'm new to this group and appear to have come in at a rather interesting
>point.  Question:  What is Corey's GothList?  How do I get it?  And who
>the hell is Corey?
it's a list of goths, duh. :-) you get it by waiting for the first
of the month or e-mailing me. and who am i? self-appointed resident
know-it-all :-)
-- 
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu||  'agony is born of desire, that's what you get
rise and reverberate       ||		for wanting...'
mail me for a Sisters of   ||			'wanting' MOEV
Mercy discography,FAQ,etc..||
From: T.Moore@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Sisters of Mercy
Keywords: Sisters
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:51:04 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


  I haven't read this group in a while so sorry if I'm repeating old news. All
this comes from the music papers Melody Maker and NME which came out today.

  The "Temple of Love 1992" comes out Apr.13 (this has been said before I
know). I actually heard this at a club on Monday night and it doesn't sound too
different , apart from the input from Ofra Haza (this is NOT a joke!). One
music paper even claims the single has the subtitle "Touched By The Hand Of
Ofra Haza" ! (This MAY be a joke). All formats include remixes of "Vision
Thing" tracks.

  The date given for release of the compilation album "Some Girls Wander By
Mistake" is Apr.27. One paper gives the number of tracks as 19, though I seem
to remember an earlier press release saying the album would feature the best of
19 pre-WEA tracks. A friend in the Sisters fan club said the stuff like "Damage
Done" was being redubbed.

  Melody Maker also had a pic of Eldritch with an unfortunately short haircut
and an interview with Wayne Hussey, talking about the Mission's new dance
direction.

                                Tony
From: shj@login.dkuug.dk (Stig Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Goth-neophyte-idiotic-question list
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:58:07 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Asis Electronic Intl., Copenhagen, Denmark

swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann) writes:

>	Sisters - Floodland (greeeeeeat!)

Get First & Last & Always (their first album and the one before
Floodland) as well. When the new record comes out (hopefully 
this month) get that one too. It will be a collection of tracks
published as singles before F&L&A was released.

You may like The Mission (Sisters offspring) as well. I only have
The First Chapter myself, so get that one!

>	Cult - Love (great!)

You'll want Dreamtime (the prior album) as well. Consider
Electric too (the next one), which is not really goth, more like
decent hard rock, but my favorite nonetheless.

>	The Cure - The Singles

You'll want Seventeen Seconds, Faith and Pornography. Warning:
Pornography is very, very, very black. It may take a couple of years
before you learn to like it!

Also of interest: Robert Smith and Siouxsie released an LP under
the name 'The Glove'. I have it on tape (pretty good), but
haven't been able to find it on vinyl yet.

>	Joy Division - everything (and it's great! :-)

No shit? As you probably know, New Order was formed by the rest of
J.D. after Curtis committed suicide. Their first album is rather
J.D.'ish (different vocal of course), so you may like that too.
New Order: Movement.

Also, if you can find it (unlikely!): Lives of Angels: Elevator to Eden. 
It is basically a lightweight J.D. clone. Very good too.

>Ok, so what's the next step?  More Sisters or Sisters-like stuff would be
>great...  Nephilim?  Or another Sisters album?

Erhm, you wanted just *one* album recommendation? I can't do
that, sorry!

Nephilim is ok, if you don't mind a vocal twice as deep as Eldritch's
and which sounds like he is belching down the mike :-)

If you fancy Echo and the Bunnymen, then you should check out The Sound
as well. The Sound is usually compared to EATB (heh), but EATB leaves
me cold, while I love The Sound. In the Hothouse with Sound is
excellent (double live album).
--
Stig Jacobsen                                                   Born confused
shj@login.dkuug.dk                                              Died dazed
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: pooh@gacvx1.gac.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: RE: Help with NEPHILIM lyrics
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:00:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx1.1992Apr9.160012.1
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
Nntp-Posting-User: pooh

While I haven't had a great deal of time to listen resently, there are a
lyrics...in ENDEMONIADA esp., that I think I can clarify.  My friend and 
I find disagreement with the line:
	"[Endemoniada] dies"
However, we have problems fitting this into his vocals...
We believe it is:
	"[Another] dies"
...Or a rough equivalent.
Another discrepancy:
	"...[glorious]..."
This seems to us to be:
	"...[familiar]...(things and places, respectively)"
We hope that this has helped, and are currently working on our
contributions to the hopeless plight of vocal ambiguity...

With much respect...

Christopher and Gabe...
"Yearning,yearning,yearning,yeah!"
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: the damn 4ad list
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:43:51 GMT

having tried every variation i could think of and getting nowhere with the
damn auto-server. would the manager of the 4ad mailing list please e-mail me
or simply subscribe me? gracias.....

-- 
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu||  'agony is born of desire, that's what you get
rise and reverberate       ||		for wanting...'
mail me for a Sisters of   ||			'wanting' MOEV
Mercy discography,FAQ,etc..||
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