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From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: SMH: Letters Section [Macedonia]
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:18:09 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


SAS again jokes:


###############################################################################


                                                Victor Bivell
                                                Asquith NSW 2007
                                                Ph 02 477 6278
December 8, 1992

Ms Geraldine Walsh
Letters Editor
Sydney Morning Herald

Dear Ms Walsh,

bla bla ...

   The Macedonian population of northern Greece has fallen from over
                                                                ^^^^
one million in 1913 when Greece took over 51 per cent of Macedonia
^^^^^^^^^^^
to about 300,000 today. Many of these migrants fled to Australia.

more bla bla ...


###############################################################################


He, Mr. Bivell, hasn't even studied his homework from his propaganda
home Skopjia. And then he is expecting anybody to take him seriously
on what he tries to mumble! 

Oh well! At least he doesn't claim any Ph.D in ancient history; he
just tries to help :-)))!

Let's see what the official Skopjia says about the population in
Northern Greece in 1913. (Notice the obvious: No bulgarian mentioned!)


========================================================================

Simovski, T., "The  Balkan  Wars and their Repercussions on the Ethnical 
Situation  in  Aegean  Macedonia", Glasnik, Vol.XVI, No.3, Skopje, 1972.

Population  figures in  Aegean Macedonia, just before the Balkan Wars of 
1912, which saw the liberation of the areas from Ottoman rule:


Macedonians        326,426           Jews                         59,560
Turks              289,973           Vlachs                       45,457
Greeks             240,019           Muslim Macedonians (Pomaks)  40,921


Gypsies             29,803           Christian Turks               4,240
Muslim Greeks       13,753           Muslim Vlachs                 3,500
Muslim Albanians     5,584           Christian Albanians           3,291


Cherkez (Mongols)    2,112
Others               8,100
Total            1,072,739

========================================================================


So, one million was at the most all the population of Northern Greece.
The Skopjians (actually Bulgarians) were AT THE MOST one third of it...!!!

I know! I know! By blowing up the numbers by an order of magnitude helps
"our brave men" to feel even better :-))).

VIVA LA SKOPJIA! ORTSA LA PANTA!


Ciao!
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.culture.arabic
From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: ANDERSON TO HEAD CNI
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:44:38 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

 
 
                  JOHN B. ANDERSON TO HEAD CNI
 
 One time presidential candidate and former congressman, John 
 Anderson has been named president of the Council for the 
 National Interest.
 
 CNI was established in 1989 by a group of former congressmen 
 and diplomats to provide a counter balance to the heavy 
 handed Pro-Israel Lobby.
 
 CNI claims credit for blocking the $10 billion loan 
 guarantee to Israel although President Bush finally did cave 
 in as election day approached.
 
 John Anderson replaces former Congressman David Bowen as 
 president with former Congresssman Paul Findley still 
 serving as Chairman of the Board.
 
 Among his many other qualifications, John Anderson 
 represents an excellent example of a growing group of 
 "born-again-Americans.  Like so many Americans that have 
 been brainwashed by the media and pro-Israel forces into 
 believing that Israel's "special relationship" with America 
 is based on high moral principles and American interests, he 
 was a strong supporter of Israel in his public life.  After 
 returning to private life he had a chance to visit the 
 Mideast and learn the reality of the situation.  He now 
 realizes that we have been systimatically lied to by our 
 government, their government and the media.
 
 We all welcome John aboard and hope that with his guidance, 
 CNI can become a force with lasting impact on our cowardly 
 representatives in Washington.
 
 If you would like to join in this effort, please contact CNI 
 NOW,   I know John would love to hear from you.
 
            Council for the National Interest
            1900 Eighteenth St NW
            Washington DC 20009
            (202) 265 4540  FAX... (202) 265 4936
 
                        .............
 
 If you live in the Chicago area, I would like to invite you 
 to the next meeting of the Chicago Chapter of CNI.  The 
 meeting will be on Jan 14 at a law firm in the Loop.  For 
 security reasons, I will provide the exact location via 
 email to anyone interested.
 
 It's time to PUT AMERICA FIRST and get Israel out of our 
 pockets.    Make that call NOW!
 
 js
 
 
 

Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: ARF's racist remark was:Re: Treason vs. Espionage
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<BzA2vG.KyI@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1992Dec15.101822.27928@Princeton.EDU>
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:46:15

In article <1992Dec15.101822.27928@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>   This was a dumb rebuttal to Schmidling's idiotic post.  
Agreed.

>   Schmidling, your
>   post was stupid because it made no sense.  (1) There is no such thing as
>   "African culture."  Any more than there is such a thing as "European
>   culture."  
Nonsense.  This claim is ludicrous.  Europe is full of culture.  :-)
But more to the point, your argument is ridiculous, as it presupposes
that culture is necessarily monolithic and undifferentiated.  That is
simplistic hogwash.  If you proceed down that path, then there is no
European culture, there is no French culture, there is no Parisian
culture, there is no culture beyond the individual, and even there we
are all of two minds.  You can thus prove that there is no such thing
as culture at all.

>   (2) African-American's are not by definition promoting
>   African culture at all.  (3) When you say they are "promoting a
>   different culture," what do you mean?  Different than what?  Different
>   than non-African-Americans?  Sure.  But Italian-Americans promote a
>   different culture than non-Italian-Americans, and you never seem to be
>   complaining that Italian-Americans can't sustain "our" civilization.
Right you are.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7329 talk.politics.misc:64980 misc.legal:21578
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:32:22 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <1992Dec19.081442.24189@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, simon@saguenay.iro.umontreal.ca sez:
>
>There certainly was a question (in the defendants' minds, at least,
>and in the end, in the jury's as well) as to whether the police
>officers who beat Rodney King had "done it" (ie., committed the crime
>of assault).  That they had admitted to the actual beating is no more 
>significant than the fact that Lemrick Nelson admitted to being 
>somewhere in the vicinity during the Rosenbaum murder; neither 
>admission had much relevance to the real issues facing the respective 
>juries as they determined their verdicts.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the term "actus reus".  It
might prevent your making demonstrably incorrect statements such as
the second sentence above.


-- 
Morally and artistically, Henry Miller had MORE right to free speech than
Walt Disney and [Father] Coughlin because Miller was an honest man whereas
Disney and Coughlin were liars.   - Ed Nilges
	   Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com     ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: RE: India and Afghanistan
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:48:00 GMT

In article <BzCwyq.vr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v122npej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili) writes...
>running a holocaust of Nazi proportions in Kashmir for the past 3 years, but


Hmm. Maybe hyperbole is just part of the culture.



Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7327 talk.politics.misc:64972 misc.legal:21570
From: simon@saguenay.iro.umontreal.ca (Daniel Simon)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Date: 19 Dec 92 08:14:42 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec13.052718.17314@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <12088@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>In <1992Dec4.222026.3727@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>|In article <1992Dec3.015949.22567@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>
>>|>What makes you think that the jury is so perfect, clever and immune to
>>|>manipulation? 
>
>>|Nothing, but I'd be at least as inclined to trust their opinion, given
>>|that they were actually in the courtroom, as yours.
>
>>Did you happen to feel the same way about the jury in the Rodney King case?
>
>That I'd be at least as inclined to trust their opinion as Jake's?  Yes.
>
>But seriously, the parallel doesn't hold.  In the RK case, the act was
>on tape.  There was no question as to whether they had done it; they
>didn't deny it.  The question was whether it was justified.  (Not to
>mention that I watched most of the trial on Court TV.)
>
>In the Crown Heights case, there wasn't (incontrovertible) proof that 
>Nelson had committed the murder.  

There certainly was a question (in the defendants' minds, at least,
and in the end, in the jury's as well) as to whether the police
officers who beat Rodney King had "done it" (ie., committed the crime
of assault).  That they had admitted to the actual beating is no more 
significant than the fact that Lemrick Nelson admitted to being 
somewhere in the vicinity during the Rosenbaum murder; neither 
admission had much relevance to the real issues facing the respective 
juries as they determined their verdicts.  While the infamous 
videotape in the "King" case was certainly incontrovertible evidence 
that a beating had taken place, its persuasiveness as evidence of 
actual criminality (as opposed to the "permissible" use of force) 
appears to have been roughly equal to that of the blood-stained knife 
and victim's identification in the "Rosenbaum" case--more than 
sufficient to convince the public, but not quite enough to move the 
jury to convict.  Yet Mr. Nieporent has expressed confidence in the 
judgment of the "Rosenbaum" jury, while at the same time openly 
doubting the wisdom of the (strikingly similar) "King" decision.
His immaterial reference to the King beating being "on tape" hardly
explains this disturbing incongruity in his views.


"Que dites vous?  C'est inutile?  Je le sais!		Daniel R. Simon
 Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succe`s!"	simon@iro.umontreal.ca
					-Rostand
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From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: ARF on NAAWP and Black Toys
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:36:43 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL


       
               BLACK TOYS AND THE NAAWP
 
 
 I frequently get berated for suggesting that the NAAWP 
 (National Association for the Advancement of White People) 
 may be an idea whose time has come.
 
 The follow article appeared in a recent Chicago newspaper:
 
 .........
 
                     BUY BLACK TOYS
 
 The Chesterfield Community Council recently announced its 
 fourth annual "Buy Black Toys from Black Toymakers Campaign" 
 for the christmas season.  This organization has compiled a 
 gift suggestion list of black toymakers......
 
 The article included a picture with a bunch of black people 
 "dispalying their favorite black manufactured gift"
 
 ..........
 
 One can't help but wonder what a clamor the media would 
 produce over a similar article wherein was substituted the 
 white for black.
 
 I am not suggesting the present NAAWP is the pillar of 
 integrity or a role model but to suggest that there is no 
 place in our society for an organization or even the idea of 
 promoting and protecting the interests of white folks is 
 simply hypocracy and reverse racism.
 
 js
 
 
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: What about India and Afghanistan?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.020007.26534@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM (REACH OUT AND GREP SOMEONE) writes...
>reads "India's Hindus, Muslims ready for a holy war." A potential holy
>war in the second largest country in the world would normally be considered
>a big story. This was on page 12.


But you have to factor in the buzz-word aspect. "Holy war" is a 
convenient phrase, not necessarily related to the real magnitude
of the story.


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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: ARF's racist remark was:Re: Treason vs. Espionage
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:59:40 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1g4a63INNbi6@agate.berkeley.edu> dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves) writes:
>|>  
>|>  >You agree that non-whites are incapable of sustaining our 
>|>  civilization?  That's pretty raw even for you, Jack.
>|>  
>|>  I was agreeing with sentiment.  I did not choose the words.  
>|>  It is someone elses' quote.
>|>  
>|>  I would have used the culture instead of civilization.
>|>  
>|>  Clearly when a whole group of Aamericans desides to call 
>|>  themselves African-Americans, they are implying a desire to 
>|>  promote a different culture.
>|>  
>|>  js
>
>This comment is racist.  Clearly Schmidling thinks
>that African Americans have less right to their identity
>than Italian Americans or Irish Americans or 
>(insert Caucasian identity) Americans.
>
>I've got news for you, Schmidling, you hateful racist
>bastard.  African Americans have been here longer than most groups
>and have made more of a contribution to American culture
>than any other ethnic group i can think of.
>They can call themselves anything they like and i for 
>one will respect their contribution to MY culture.
>
>Yes, Schmidling, you filthy racist, African Americans
>are just as American as you are.  In fact, you 
>have shown you do not understand the basic principles that 
>the United States depends upon. I for one am ashamed that
>you exist to shame the name of my great country.

I don't know where to begin editing this rubbish so I left in in tact.

All I said was the African Americans are (by definition) promoting African
culture.  Everything you said in response is nothing by hateful rubbish
because you can't think of anything objective to say about what is 
a given and are to stupid to keep your mouth shut.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: Ullrich_Fischer@mindlink.bc.ca (Ullrich Fischer)
Subject: Salman Rushdie lives! (sort of)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:30:51 GMT

Salman Rushdie was in Canada recently and got a bit of media attention.

It once again raises the question as to why any democratic country in the
world still has anything to do with Iran or allows Iranian embassies to
remain open while this outrage continues.

Rushdie's case sets a truly horrifying precedent.  As long as this situation
continues, it means that any country whose government you have offended can
openly order you killed and put a price on your head.   Of course, if the
threat against Rushdie is carried out, and someone manages to collect the
$US 2,000,000 for killing him, the same precedent will be made even
more forcibly.   While the theocrats of Iran continue to get away with this
indefensible campaign, it encourages all the other religious fanatics of the
world.   Will we return to the days of the Inquisition and watch our best and
brightest people being burned alive for publishing words which contradict
religious dogma?

Until the Iranian government rescinds the death penalty on Rushdie (who is a
citizen of the UK), there is no justification for treating the Iranian
government as anything other than the gang of thugs they are.







--
Ullrich_Fischer@mindlink.bc.ca     If God had meant us to be religious
fundamentalists, He wouldn`t have given us brains.  "What makes a person so
poisonous righteous, that he thinks less of anyone who just disagrees?" -
Moxy Fruvous
From: v122npej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE: India and Afghanistan
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

One also need keep in mind that unless there is some vested interest in those
regions, there will be just a trickle of news that is reported. India has been
running a holocaust of Nazi proportions in Kashmir for the past 3 years, but
only rarely do you ever hear of it. And when you do, there is never any follow
up to it. It does not exactly make for awareness when the press is reporting on
it every 4-6 weeks. 

As for Afghanistan, now that the USSR is out, and also that the election in
this country is over, what does the US care about Afghanistan? There is nothing
there for them either. In this country, unless there is a MAJOR interest on the
part of the US, don't expect to see a great deal of media coverage.

Sareer A. Fazili
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: ARF's racist remark was:Re: Treason vs. Espionage
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:28:01 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Dec11.014643.18356@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves) writes:
>
>>arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>
>>|>  >You agree that non-whites are incapable of sustaining our 
>>|>  civilization?  That's pretty raw even for you, Jack.
>
>This sounds like a rather loaded question ... and I should note that
>I am taking it on credsit that this is actually what Jack said, and
>that this is not a misinterpretation of his statements. He seems to
>get that a lot, as a consequence of assuming stances that are not
>popular.

It's called creative editing.  I said nothing of the kind nor do I
believe it.  I simply pointed out that they seem to be more interested
in promoting African culture than American.  That is not a value
judgement, just an opinion.






>In any case, I, for one, am at a loss as to why people move to America,
>then pine for the old country and insist on indoctrinating their kids
>
>I think what Jack is noticing is that something is out of whack. He is
>right there. What he's missing, IMHO, is that Black people born in North
>America, still feel like they are in an alien environment. And that is
>a real problem, one crying to be solved.

That is a good point but in my opinion is a felling created by the
so-called civil rights leaders, lawyers and the media and does not
reflect the real world.  Blacks are guaranteed the same rights as
anyone else.  Unfortunately, there seems to be a perception that
right must translate into results.

BTW, I feel like an alien when I go into a Black community.  Maybe 
that's just the way it is and we should quit trying to lforce our
culture on each other.

js

>But it is not, de facto, racism to notice a race-based problem.
>
>If there is additional text that has been omitted that is damning, I have
>no problem modifying that perception.
>
>
>>I've got news for you, Schmidling, you hateful racist
>>bastard.  African Americans have been here longer than most groups
>>and have made more of a contribution to American culture
>>than any other ethnic group i can think of.
>>They can call themselves anything they like and i for 
>>one will respect their contribution to MY culture.
>>
>>Yes, Schmidling, you filthy racist, African Americans
>>are just as American as you are.  In fact, you 
>>have shown you do not understand the basic principles that 
>>the United States depends upon. I for one am ashamed that
>>you exist to shame the name of my great country.
>
>This in itself is pretty hateful and does little to resolve Schmidling's
>alleged thought crime(s), now does it ?
>
>
>-- richard
>
>-- 
>=====
>-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
>         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
>                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,eunet.politics
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: ARF's racist remark was:Re: Treason vs. Espionage
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:55:05 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Dec15.101822.27928@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>This was a dumb rebuttal to Schmidling's idiotic post.  Schmidling, your
>post was stupid because it made no sense.  (1) There is no such thing as
>"African culture."  Any more than there is such a thing as "European
>culture."  (2) African-American's are not by definition promoting
>African culture at all.  (3) When you say they are "promoting a
>different culture," what do you mean?  Different than what?  Different
>than non-African-Americans?  Sure.  But Italian-Americans promote a
>different culture than non-Italian-Americans, and you never seem to be
>complaining that Italian-Americans can't sustain "our" civilization.

First of all, I said culture not civilization.  In fact I said nothing
other than changing what someone else said I said to reflect what I would
have said if I were asked.

I couldn't agree with you more and that simply proves the idocy of the
term African American.  It is meaningless, Madison Ave mush.

I happen to have been born in South Africa and am white as the driven
ssnow.  Therefore I am an African-American, right?  Need I go on?
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