HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD: out of body experience newsgroup name
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:15:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul25.161427.23649@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.074656.15643@spdcc.com> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:

>>In article <65139@apadravya.princeton.edu> bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu
>>	(Ben Wing) writes:

>>> This problem (of hasty newgrouping) seems to come up again and again ...
>>> I'm really surprised how many people don't realize that you're supposed to
>>> discuss (or at least mention) the creation of a new alt.* group in alt.config
>>> before newgrouping it, just to avoid total chaos.

>>How is one supposed to know?

> One could ask, had one a brain.

Nice going Tim.  Now Gary will think you're an ass, and we don't want that!

I'll dig up the FAQ that was posted recently and mail it to you Gary.

While it is ALT tradition to allow newgrouping at a whim, in practice groups
that aren't discussed don't get created at very many sites.  So it's best
to ask what people think of the group first.

This doesn't mean you can't create the group if someone objects.  It just
gives you a gauge as to how many sites will carry the group.  If there are
a lot of objections, maybe you should rethink the proposal.

Newgroup messages that show up here at Pitt, with absolutely no comments,
are ignored.  I figure that they were meant to be applied locally, but
escaped.  The ones that say "as discussed in alt.config", when I know
there was no discussion in alt.config, get tossed too.  The ones that
were not discussed but have a "good" argument with them at least get
consideration.

So there you have one opinion.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)

Terry
--
        INTERNET: tjw+@pitt.edu         BITNET: TJW@PITTVMS
From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CREATION OF ALT.NEWBIE
Date: 26 Jul 1992 03:46:49 GMT
Organization: Dis-
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: Wrongo 8-)

In article <1992Jul23.115811.17175@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>    Obviously reading isn't one of your strong points.  None of the
>    aforementioned newsgroups is listed in "newsgroups", which lists at
>    least 324 other alt groups.  Don't give me any crap.  You've
>    already poisoned the alt hierarchy with enough of it.
>
>    The "newsgroups" file I refer to is available by anon ftp from
>    ftp.uu.net in the news directory.  It's in compressed format and is
>    updated daily.

Gerry, if I understand uunet properly, that file represents one thing and
one thing only: those that uunet carries and feeds.  It does NOT represent
any "official" listing of alt groups.  uunet, last I heard, did not carry
all alt groups for various reasons.

There are various ways for an alt group to be "official".  One is to appear
in Spaf's +- monthly posting listing the alt groups he feels are for
real.  Spaf, who's one of the 5 most respected people involved in
Usenet, doesn't select all alt groups that are created as making his
list.  He apparently did select the gooley groups.  There are many, many
other ways to become "official", because there IS no set of enforced
guidelines on how alt works (though there are various forms of nettiquette
about it) because it's alt.  But I'm not quite sure how anyone can
say somethign that made Spaf's cut is a fraud.

There are enough problems in alt without going ballistic over something
that's legitimate...

-george william herbert
gwh@soda.berkeley.edu  gwh@lurnix.com  herbert@uchu.isu92.ac.jp until 28 aug
++  copyright (c)  george william herbert.       All rights except usenet   ++
++ transmission/use and inclusion in followup/reply articles/mail reserved. ++
From: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: Split, rename alt.alien.visitors
Date: 27 Jul 1992 04:38:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starflight.corp.sun.com

In article 28196@crc.ac.uk, sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>The common link in all the proposed sub-groupings seems to be
>not aliens, but at sometime or other all have been associated
>with UFO's. 
>
>Why not make everything sub-groups of a group called ALT.UFO ?
>
>We could then have :
>
>	alt.ufo.reports
>	alt.ufo.abductions
>	alt.ufo.mutilations
>	alt.ufo.circles
>	alt.ufo.cover-ups
>		etc

Unfortunately, the common link to UFOs is not established, despite the fact that
it is widely suspected among those interested in UFOs and discussed in journals
devoted to UFOs. If we are trying to avoid prejudging the issue, then ufo will
not do as the 2nd level name.

---

jdr@starflight.corp.sun.com, starflt@uunet.uu.net
Jon Roland
Starflight Corporation, 1755 E Bayshore Rd #9A,
Redwood City, CA 94063-4142, 415/361-8141
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.atheism.moderated ????
Summary: right
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:15:30 GMT
Organization: Bradley University


*another* moderated alt group?

a moderated *atheism* group?


can someone explain this to me?  seems pretty useless....
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
 I love the world and if I have to sue for custody, Then I will sue for custody
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: Trends and Innovations
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:39:14 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

The Trends and Innovations committee of IACC will be 
meeting, via conference call, around the end of the 
month.  Anyone that has any issues or suggestions
they would like presented during this call please
let me know.  If they are pertinent I'll put them
on the agenda.

Sam
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Child Quest International, July 23, 1992
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:39:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



Child Quest International, Inc. is a non-profit organization, dedicated
to the protection and recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children.
For more information on Child Quest, you can call the San Jose office
at (408) 492-1122.  Or e-mail your comments and suggestions to
Linda at lindae@netcom.com



MISSING:  Toni Danielle Clark
(the following descriptive information was obtained at the time of disappearance)

Nickname:  Toni
Missing Juvenile

Age at Disappearance - 17 1/2 years old
Date of Birth 6/4/72
Date Missing  3/16/90

Missing From - Oakland, California

Sex:	Female		Race:	Black
Height:	5'3"		Weight:	110 lbs.
Hair:	Black		Eyes:	Brown

Pierced ears, 2 holes in each ear; gap between front teeth;
large mole on left calf of leg

NCIC M413272926


If you have any information on this or any other missing, abused or
exploited child, please call Child Quest's 24-Sighting Line:  
1-800-248-8020  This line is for sightings only!  

All other calls should be placed to Child Quest's regular business
office at (408) 492-1122.
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: MISSING KIDS!
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

Hello?   Hello? This is the missing kids conference. Why is everyone
else missing as well?????

                 chris.mathis@madness.network23.com
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Child Abduction Statistics
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:31:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Hal.Gould@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Hal Gould)
Date: 24 Jul 92  05:01:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.712521142@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: 41 More Children Have Bee
To: lindae@netcom.netcom.com
Status: OR

LI>Here are some statistics we are proud to share with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LI>By the end of 1991, Child Quest International had assisted in the
LI>RECOVERY of 83 children; registered 221 new cases; distributed 3,000
LI>safety tips; fingerprinted over 1,000 children; and disseminated more
LI>than 100,000 posters of missing children worldwide.

LI><<<<<<<<<<<< In the first 6 months of 1992, Child Quest International has
LI>assisted in the RECOVERY of 41 children!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

LI>We Won't Rest Until We've Brought Home All Of The Missing Children!!!


LI>Keeping Hope Alive,
LI>Child Quest International
LI>lindae@netcom.com

LI>---
LI> # Origin: Future Quest Usenet <=> Fido Gateway 512-451-0891 (1:19/23.0)
LI> * Origin: FamilyNet Intl. Echogate [708] 887-7685 (1:115/887)

Congratulations on the numbers!  It makes a difference!  To those 83
families, it makes a BIG difference!  If you ever need assistance of any
kind in Baton Rouge, LA, give me a note here!  I'll watch regularly.
Obviously, no charge for any help I can give.  I have five kids of my
own.

Hal

 * SLMR 2.1a * Children are a gift from God; treat them accordingly!!!
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From: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: TAKING KIDS
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 


               Santosky -v- Kramer
               455 US 745 102 SCt 1388, 1982

Parents appealed from the judgement of the Family Court, Ulster
County, J. Elwyn, which adjudged their children to be permanently
neglected. The New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division,
affirmed, 75 AD2d 910 NYS2d 319. The New York Court of Appeals
dismissed the parent's appeal. Certiorari was granted. The Supreme
Court, Justice Blackmun, held that before a state may sever
completely and irrevocably the rights of parents i their natural
child, due process requires that the state support its allegations
by at least clear and convincing evidence, and , therefore, the "
fair preponderance of the evidence" standard prescribed by the New
York Family COurt Act for the termination of parental rights denied
the parents due process.
               Judgement vacated and remanded.

Justice Rhenquist filed a dissenting opinion in which Chief Justice
Burger, Justice White and Justice O'Connor joined.

1. Fundamental liberty interest of natural parents in care, custody
and management of their child does not evaporate because they have
not been model parents or have lost temporary custody of their
child to State. US Constitution, Amends. 5 & 14.

2. EVen when blood relationships are strained, parents retain a
vital interest preventing irretrievable destruction of their family
life, if anything, persons faced with forced dissolution of their
parental rights have more critical need for procedural protections
than do those resisting state intervention in ongoing family
affairs.

3.When state moves to destroy weakened family bonds, it must
provide parents with fundamentally fair procedure.

4.Nature of process due in parental rights termination proceedings
turns on balancing of private interests affected by proceedings;
risk of error created by State's chosen procedure; and
countervailing governmental interest supporting use of challenged
procedure.
                                                                                                    
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: These Kids Have Been Found!
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 01:35:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Date: 22 Jul 92  22:17:51
Message-Id: <Fredgate.712521135@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found Children
To: lindae@netcom.netcom.com
Status: OR

  Russ Coombs and I have been working with the National Center For
Missing and Exploited Children to distribute GIFs of Missing children
since November 1990.  I am part of an organization in Universal City
Texas called the Heidi Search Center which was founded following the
abduction and murder of an 11 year old girl in San Antonio, TX in Aug.
1990.

  Since we have been distributing the GIFs the following children have
been found.  These findings cannot be attributed to the GIFs anymore
then they can to pictures on milk cartons.  The important thing is that
caring people such as yourselves are working to end this problem.

  The children that have been found are;

     1.GIF     Amy Michelle Agresto   CHILD1.ZIP
     8.GIF     Frank Joseph Agresto   CHILD1.ZIP
    11.GIF     Jennifer Anne Kubus    CHILD1.ZIP
    15.GIF     Natasha Borres         CHILD1.ZIP
    27.GIF     Karen Campbell         CHILD2.ZIP
    57.GIF     Julie Lynn Main        CHILD3.ZIP
    64.GIF     Dylan Avery Winburn    CHILD4A.ZIP
    65.GIF     Morgan L. Winburn      CHILD4A.ZIP
    66.GIF     Kathina Colleen Koenig CHILD4A.ZIP
    67.GIF     Jason Robert Hunt      CHILD4A.ZIP
    73.GIF     Tyler Winslow Inman    CHILD4A.ZIP
   114.GIF     Melissa Ann Bryant     CHILD4.ZIP
   117.GIF     Terry Michael Matchett CHILD4.ZIP
   121.GIF     Mark Richard Giesecke  CHILD4.ZIP
   127R.GIF     Paula M. Palancia     CHILD5.ZIP
   128R.GIF     Joseph B. Palancia    CHILD5.ZIP
   129R.GIF     Dallas Lee Sutherland CHILD5.ZIP
   135R.GIF    Thor Durning           CHILD5.ZIP
   136R.GIF    Kirk Durning           CHILD5.ZIP
   141R.GIF    Jason James Dean McQuaker (D)  CHILD5.ZIP
   164.GIF     Jennifer King          CHILD6.ZIP
   201.GIF     Amanda Otter           CHILD8.ZIP
   231.GIF     Aimee Veronica Harrison CHILD10.ZIP
   262.GIF     Theresa A. Mills       CHILD11.ZIP
   350.GIF     Patrick Gieser         CHILD15.ZIP
   378.GIF     Dubenion Joseph Moss   CHILD17.ZIP

  Russ and I would like to thank everyone for participating and helping.

  Marv Cotton and Russ Coombs, Moderators

    For information on the GIFs leave a message here or write me at the
Heidi Seaqrch Center
2402 Pat Booker Rd.
Universal City, TX 78148.


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From: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: WHY THEY MIGHT BE MISSING
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 

Could it be that some people are aware of the Adoption Assistance and
Child Welfare Act of 1980 ( PL 92-272 ) and its Code of Federal
Regulations that effectively offer a *bounty* for children  taken by the
state of $25,000 ++ per child per year, somethiong participated in by
*both* political parties?
   I would certainly like to know if anyone else has encountered this
Hitlerian legalism. I can also be reached @ FatherNet (718)4941719.
Thanks. Richard.
                                                      
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Passwords to Get Missing Child GIFS
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 01:37:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From: Russell.Coombs@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Russell Coombs)
Date: 23 Jul 92  11:04:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.712521136@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Passwords
To: lindae@netcom.netcom.com
Status: OR

If you have a ? as to why the file packets are passworded please leave a
message in this conference area.You have misunderstood the reason for the
password,the gifs can be downloaded by anyone they are not passworded,only the
complete packets are passworded,which in short means only a sysop who wishes to
carry the gifs has to worry about the password.This is done for 2 reasons,one
to keep a listing of all sysops who carry the gifs,and 2 is to maintain a
correct listing,so if a child is found we have a way to contact the sysops
easily to have them remove the gifs.You spoke of the milk cartons,do you think
they keep sending the childs photo out after the child has been found..NO,thats
all were trying to maintain is a up to date listing.Hope this explains why the
password is used,not for security but for maintenance reasons..
                         Russell Coombs    1 of the Moderators.  
 

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From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing Child GIFS
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:33:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Mark.Tetrault@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Mark Tetrault)
Date: 22 Jul 92  05:50:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.712521135@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Missing Children Pictures
To: lindae@netcom.netcom.com
Status: OR

Hello Marv!

Tuesday July 21 1992, Marv Cotton writes to All:

 MC>  Child25.ZIP is now ready for distribution.  This brings the number of
 MC> missing Children GIFs available at 468.

I Freqed the last bunch and found no description file in the zips. Also
according to Russell the child24.zip is still not "quite out yet". It would
help all us busy grunt sysops if a description file were included like the
first series if .gifs. At this point I have ?100? gifs to view and copy data
from each to update the file descriptions on the BBS. Considering the time it
took to Gif the pictures and the descriptions, a few more minutes per zip to
include a listing would be a real time saver on down the line.

.....Mark
in Beautiful Downtown Pembroke, NH

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Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Re: What Would You Do If...?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:01:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <22856@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins) writes:
>In alt.missing-kids, lindae@netcom.com writes:
>>
>>QUESTION:  What are some things that you have done to protect your
>>child from potential abduction?  How do you go about explaining all of
>>this to your child without scaring him or her?  How has your child
>>reacted when you offer these safety tips?
>>
>>Come on, let's hear your comments....
>>
>>Linda
>>lindae@netcom.com
>
>Interesting question.  I am looking forward to seeing other responses.
>
>My daughter (Christine) is now 13 and we have done a number of things
>over the years to prevent abduction.  (Obviously you do different things
>at different ages but I don't remember exactly what age she was when

>Many can be done as a game or "because you are so big now you can
>learn ________".  I don't think kids need to learn everything in the
>
>learning her name and then phone number and address (actually the first
>learning how to get from different places to home ("which way do we
>turn here?" "what is the name of THIS street" etc as a game)
>
>being confident using the telephone--answering it, making calls, calling
>information, later making a collect call home from the mall just to
>practice, and recently letting her have one of my telephone calling
>cards and having her use it when we are on vacation and had to call

>having our "secret word" and playing "what if someone comes to school
>
>talking about "what if Mommy gets lost at the mall/grocery store" etc
>
>if someone is following in a car as you walk down the street, wait
>until you can safely cross the street and then cross and run back
>the way you came (this also came from school, the idea being that
>the driver of the car would draw attention to him/herself by making
>a u-turn)
>
>where there is ANYONE around that she was to repeat VERY loudly and
>firmly "YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER/FATHER" so that other adults who
>might be able to help, will help and won't think she was just a
>bratty kid being taken by a parent
>
	What WONDERFUL IDEAS!!  Thank you so much for sharing them here.
	I'm sure that a lot of parents are going to be very grateful to
	you!!  

	How about the rest of you?  Any ideas?  Let's get some good
	conversation started here.  Kathy's post was a great start!
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Child Quest International, July 24, 1992 Safety Tips
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:50:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



Child Quest International is a non-profit organization, dedicated to the 
protection and recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children. Child
Quest is headquartered in San Jose, California.  For more information,
please call (408) 492-1122.  To offer suggestions and comments, please
e-mail Linda at lindae@netcom.com


SAFETY TIPS:

For Parents:

1.  Have your child's school establish a "School Call Back Program".  If your
child does not arrive at school on time, the school should call to find
the reason for absence.

2.  NEVER ASSUME that your child will not be abducted, abused or exploited.


For Children:

1.  I know that if I get lost in a store or shopping mall, I will go to
a cashier or security person.  I know never to go alone to movie theaters,
arcade game stores, public restrooms, parks, swimming pools or 
school yards (after school hours).

2.  I know that running away from home is no fun.  When I am having
problems, I know that I can talk to my family or a trusted adult.


3.  If a stranger is following me, instead of hiding in bushes or behind
a building, I know to go to a place where there are people and ask for
help.

4.  I know to keep at least two arm lengths away from a stranger
when walking.

<<<<<<<<<< These tips come from Child Quest's STOP Kidnapping Coloring
Book.  STOP stands for Safety Tips Offer Protection.  For your copy of
this booklet, please call Child Quest at (408) 492-1122.

******If you are a parent searching for your missing child, Child Quest
would like to help you.  Please call our San Jose headquarters at 
(408) 492-1122 ****


Child Quest International 24-Sighting Line: 1-800-248-8020
THIS LINE IS FOR SIGHTINGS ONLY!!!

Keeping Hope Alive,
Linda (Child Quest Volunteer)
lindae@netcom.com
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: What Would You Do If...?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:10:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



For the past few weeks, Child Quest International has been posting information
to this newsgroup.  We are interested to know how many of you are reading
this group and what kind of information you would like to see here.
We would also like to encourage discussion of this topic within the
newsgroup.  Obviously, we want to limit the discussion topic to missing
kids, how to prevent abduction, etc.

So, here's a question...I encourage you to post your answers to this
newsgroup...

QUESTION:  What are some things that you have done to protect your 
child from potential abduction?  How do you go about explaining all of
this to your child without scaring him or her?  How has your child
reacted when you offer these safety tips?


Come on, let's hear your comments....


Linda
lindae@netcom.com