From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Normal Experiences being Paranormal
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:50:42 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

In article <32894@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, wjames@cse.ucsc.edu (John Amenta) writes:
> 
> 
>>I had two normal experiences yesterday.
>>
>>Does that qualify as a paranormal experience?
>>
>>
>>- Lorin Hawley
>  
>  I have seen it written that "Nature, without nature's source, would
>  not last a moment."

	What is that spozed to mean?  What is nature's source?
> 
>  Don't you think just existing, and there being an actual reality is
>  pretty damn incredible in itself??  I mean, where did all this come
>  from?? :)  

	Who cares where it came from. I mean, like wow man, like, you 
know, its really groovy being alive here.

>  Your thoughts come to you but how?  Reality exists but what makes it
>  so?  The sun rises but who can really tell why it exists and does so?
>  You smile and you laugh when you see old photographs of forgotten
>  lovers or forgotten picnics on the beach, but how did such emotions 
>  come to be? I believe that every breath you take is paranormal.

	Why para? why not just plain old ordinary everyday NORMAL.
 
>  Of course your scientists will explain there is a reason for the
>  sun, or there is a chemical reaction for your emotion.  They speak
>  of causality, and accidental evolution.  But tell me, what caused
>  the Big Bang, and what do you think are the chances that something
>  as incredible complex as our brain just happened to evolve accidently?

	What caused whatever it was that caused the Big Bang?
What caused that? What caused that? What caused that? What caused that?
What caused that? What caused that? What caused that? What caused that?
What caused that? What caused that? What caused that? What caused that?
What caused that? What caused that? What caused that? What caused that?
What caused that? What caused that? What caused that? What caused that?
...
	This infinite recursion question is totally meaningless.

>  If you believe that a tornado could go through a junk-yard and create
>  a jumbo-jet, then maybe you might believe we ourselves are the products
>  of pure accidental conglamerations of chemicals and molecules.

	Pure, non-sequitor, meaningless babble.

> 
>  Nah.  Occult blood runs through are veins.  Unless you really do
>  believe
>  all of this is accidental.  But maybe it is.  I hope with all hope
>  it is not.

	Why do you hope this? What possible difference could it make?
Would it matter if it were created by some super-being or some 
"random" chemical reactions? You wouldn't be able to tell the 
difference anyway. Could it be that you expect this super-being to 
provide you with some kind of reward after you are dead just because 
you believed something when you were alive?

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	Actually, I wonder often why more of the postings to this 
group don't get flamed. I agree it is okay to have a place to post 
legitimate "paranormal" things, if there are any such animals, without 
being flamed all the time, which I guess is the raison d'etre of this 
group in the first place, but there are limits to what we lurkers can 
stand. I mean, I would be quite interested in actual evidence of 
paranormal things, such as oobe's and telepathy or whatever, but
this is bordering on the mystical/religious/bullshit type of thing.

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