HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 00:42:32 CDT
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: fun with inhalants...NOT!
Distribution: usa
 <1992Apr13.184623.3763@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>

Ok... first of all im new here.
freon, carbontetrafloride(correct me if i'm wrong) is non-reactive at low altit
udes (anywhere people live).  the reason it it harmfull to the ozone is that it
 causes free radicles that act as a catylist to break O3 up into O2.
the most probable reason for damage to cells (besides carcinogenic reasons) is
that it freezes the water inside the cell because ice is less dense than water
it expands and causes the cell membraine to burst.  this is probably what cause
d whatever damage incured on said person.

Its probably not a good idea to inhale the stuff though....  its a man made org
anic chemical (i think its slightly lipid soluble)  which basicly means that yo
ur body had no way to metabolize it, so if it gets in.... it stays in.  i think
i think its also a carcinogen (i am not clear on this (or much of anything))

brian
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: graeme@transquest.oe.fau.edu (Graeme Rae)
Subject: Rococan /Cloud Swept
Reply-To: graeme@sea4.oe.fau.edu
Organization: Advanced Marine Systems Group 
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:48:48 GMT

Anybody heard of this stuff?

Its advertized in the U.K. as a legal alternative to Marijuana.
The Rococan is a tobacco like stuff with no nicotine and a very
relaxing effect. The Cloud Swept is some sort of pschoactive
stuff thats meant to be used in conjunction with the Rococan.

Any ideas? thoughts? _results?_


Graeme

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Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 16:26:28 EDT
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: 120 minutes

    This is sort of off the topic, but does anyone watch 120 minutes on MTV?
Last night I was thrilled to see some real eye-candy on there in the form of
The Jesus and Mary Chain's video for Reverence. It looks like it was made for
the sole purpose of pleasing the individual in an altered state.
From: Dave Dodson <dodson@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Originator: dodson@bach.convex.com
Reply-To: dodson@convex.COM (Dave Dodson)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:43:31 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr16.172242.48@sdg.dra.com> sean@sdg.dra.com writes:
>In article <peercy.703456880@dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu>, peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy) writes:
>> About 18 months ago, a judge in St. Clair County awarded the Municipal
>> Building of East St. Louis, plus 220 acres of city land, to a man who
>> was owed $4 million by the city ($47 million in debt).  It can happen.
>
>Then they sent the man a property tax bill.
>
>What the government giveth, the government taketh away.

Well sure they sent him a property tax bill.  As the owner of commercial
property he should pay property taxes.  Presumably he is deriving income
from the building by leasing it, or he plans to sell it, so he should be
able to come up with the cash to pay the taxes.  So where's the beef.

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Dave Dodson		                             dodson@convex.COM
Convex Computer Corporation      Richardson, Texas      (214) 497-4234
From: hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cannabis smoke
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:56:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.015628.19651
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


	The solution to the smoking problem is to legalize
MJ, end the drug war, and either break up or otherwise gut
the tobacco industry.  Following this, make the RJR "smokeless
cigarette" drug delivery system available for nicotine and the
cannabinoids.  In principle, such a drug delivery system should
greatly reduce carcinogens mixed with the desired drugs.

	In a very real sense, I think the 300K to 400K people
who die each year from the health effects of tobacco smoking
are really unintended victims of the drug war.  I've made that
argument in other posts.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7714 talk.politics.drugs:2961
From: sether@cae.wisc.edu (Steven Sether)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: alt.head?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:41:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr9.164132.6777
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr9.160214.15169@acsu.buffalo.edu> majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander~) writes:
>	Alt.head has already been created, in another form - it's the
>leri-l mailing list...so far there's been lots of discussions on acid,
>the nature of reality (or realities), and a weekend-long on-line
>dropping session, among other interesting things...
>	To subscribe, mail to leri-l@iscvax.uni.edu.
>
>
Are you sure this is the correct address?  I tried mailing this their, and it
bounced.  It said that iscvax.uni.edu doesn't even exist.  Actually, my local
site has been doing strange things with mail.  I tried to mail someone else,
and it told me they didn't exist.  I later found out that they did exist.  
Anyone know what might be going on?
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From: geraldb@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Gerald Bryan (Denver))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:50:53 GMT
Organization: ?

In article <1992Apr14.013417.4649@ncsu.edu> dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>Can anyone name one black leader who supports legalization besides
>Mayor Schomke? I asked this question about a year ago and no names 
>surfaced.

NY State Senator Joseph (?) Galiper (Galiber ?) favors the legalization of
all currently illegal drugs a la alcohol.  He introduced a bill in the NY
State legislature for that very purpose.  He also testified, very ably, in
the House SubCommittee on Narcotics hearings into the legalization of
drugs.

Interestingly, the hearings were chaired by Charles Rangel, and both of
them serve the same constituency in New York.

This is from three or so years ago, it's possible that he's no longer
in politics.  Can anyone verify ?

-- 
"Truth is simply the understanding of seeking" -- da Free John
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Robitussin question
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 07:18:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

kastner@netcom.com (Rob Kastner) writes:
: 
: Maybe we could get another ROBO discussion going 
: talk about your favorite remedies, experiences, activities.
: 

ROB, I'd love to see such a discussion.  How's about kicking it off with
a more descriptive post on your perceptions of the trip?  What's the
stuff like?

Bob

-- 
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"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Joe T. Ucker       )
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: MDMA alternative?: a rat example
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.31468
Organization: University of California, San Diego


Search request: F KW LSD AND TOXIC 

2. Nichols DE; Brewster WK; Johnson MP; Oberlender R; Riggs RM.
     Nonneurotoxic tetralin and indan analogues of
   3,4-(methylenedioxy)amphetamine (MDA).
     Journal of Medicinal Chemistry, 1990 Feb, 33(2):703-10.
     Unique ID:  90133772.

Abstract: Four cyclic analogues of the psychoactive phenethylamine derivative
    3,4-(methylenedioxy)amphetamine were studied. These congeners, 5,6- and
    4,5-(methylenedioxy)-2-aminoindan (3a and 4a, respectively), and 6,7- and
    5,6-(methylenedioxy)-2-aminotetralin (3b and 4b, respectively) were tested
    for stimulus generalization in the two-lever drug-discrimination paradigm.
    Two groups of rats were trained to discriminate either LSD tartrate (0.08
    mg/kg) from saline, or (+/-)-MDMA.HCl (1.75 mg/kg) from saline. In
    addition, a 2-aminoindan (5a) and 2-aminotetralin (5b) congener of the
    hallucinogenic amphetamine 1-(2,5-dimethoxy-4- methylphenyl)-2-aminopropane
    (DOM) were also evaluated. None of the methylenedioxy compounds substituted
    in LSD-trained rats, while both 3a and 3b fully substituted in MDMA-trained
    rats. Compounds 4a and 4b did not substitute in MDMA-trained rats.
    Compounds 5a and 5b did not substitute in MDMA-trained rats, although 5a
    substituted in LSD-trained rats, but with relatively low potency compared
    to its open-chain counterpart. In view of the now well-established
    serotonin neurotoxicity of 3,4-(methylenedioxy)amphetamine and its N-methyl
    homologue 1, 3a and 3b were evaluated and compared to 1 for similar toxic
    effects following a single acute dose of 40 mg/kg sc. Sacrifice at 1 week
    showed that neither 3a nor 3b depressed rat cortical or hippocampal 5-HT or
    5-HIAA levels nor were the number of binding sites (Bmax) depressed for
    [3H]paroxetine. By contrast, and in agreement with other reports, 1
    significantly depressed all three indices of neurotoxicity. These results
    indicate that 3a and 3b have acute behavioral pharmacology similar to 1 but
    that they lack similar serotonin neurotoxicity.


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	What do you think of this?
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jfirman@willamette.edu (Juan)
Subject: Pseudophedrine?
Organization: Willamette University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:35:38 GMT

Sorry if this has been discussed already and I have missed it:

I saw some postings a while back about the pros and cons of ephedrine as
a stimulant (especially as compared to caffeine).  I was wondering how
similar Sudafed (pseudophedrine, right?) is to ephedrine; i.e. effects,
dosage, etc.  I would greatly appreciate any info!  Email or post is
fine.  I am interested in a stimulant that will allow me to stay
coherent and productive without the NASTY side effects of caffeine.
Finals coming soon, you know!  Thanks in advance...

-Juan


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From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: FDA on the net (was Re: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse)
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:04:38 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
Organization: AT&T

> 
> By the way, FDA is on the net - fda.gov.
> 
Gosh, it's possible they may learn facts!! But facts can be
twisted--George(Coverup)Bush has shown us that, as well as his
War against Some Drugs' lackies in the government.
Anyway, most of us know this is NOT a war on drugs, rather a war
against the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and a grab for power
over the hand that feeds them. But you knew that:-)


barry--
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: voss.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: SHROOMS...POT...AND THE CONSTITUTION
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:16:44 GMT

hopefully I didnt misspell that last word... well anyway I even though I 
am fairly progresssive do realize congress has the right to ban the 
sale,and transportation of mushrooms over state lines because of their 
power to regulate COMMerce but NOWHERE in this document does it give them 
the right to ban possesion of these substances...in fact a proper reading 
of the ninth amendment would tend to suggest that the government has NO 
power to control personal possesion and growing for personal use even to 
the point of giving it to adult friends as long as there is no money 
changing hands...    anyone have any comments?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jflint@csws11.ic.sunysb.edu (Jesse Flint)
Subject: Morning Glory & Hepatitis
Followup-To: nothing
Summary: Contraindications
Keywords: fnord
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:17:43 GMT
Expires: Fri, 1 May 1992 04:00:00 GMT

A quick question...

What exactly are the effects of Morning Glory seeds as far as past hepatitis is
concerned? A freind of mine wishes to try seeds, but is concerned about what
it may do to his liver... If you can help, e-mail me info. Thanx.
						--Tog

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Hyperventilating [was: Re: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse]
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:34:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

vu0350@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (allen h. lutins) writes:
:
: ...this is common phenomenon.  In his well-known book "The
: Natural Mind" (1972), author Andrew Weil notes (p. 19) "It is my
: belief that the desire to alter consciousness periodically is an
: innate, normal drive analogous to hunger or the sexual drive. [...]
: Anyone who watches very young children without revealing his presence
: will find them regularly practicing techniques that induce striking
: changes in mental states.  Three- and four-year-olds, for example,
: commonly whirl themselves into vertiginous stupors.  They
: hyperventilate and have other children squeeze them around the chest
: until they faint.  They also choke each other to produce loss of
: consciousness."

I remember this from the reading and believe it to be an extremely 
important observation when considering the attempts to prohibit
people from doing it.  It is akin to legislating against masturbation.

I would like to see this very persuasive argument used some way in the
anti-WoD.  This is something people can relate to and understand.  We
are just going to do it anyway one damn way or another because it's 
built in!
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:18:17 GMT

joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes:

>feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>
>>Currently illegal Drugs *will* be legalized. It will happen when the
>>government, having buried itself in deficits, realizes that its cash
>>flow position will improve if they start taxing drug sales and stop
>>pouring money down a rathole prosecuting and imprisoning people who
>>engage in drug use.
>
>lots of people have good jobs from drugs being illegal; and there is
>a large group of people making money from the trade. these two things
>(the police and organized crime bureaucracies (if the latter can be so
>referred to)) are the biggest obstacles to the legalization of all drugs.
>there is an alternative to the legalization of drugs; a more or less
>totalitarian state. I agree that drugs will eventually be legalized.
>Unfortunately, I see a period of effective fascism before this happens
>(and possibly a revolution).

I'm surprised the racists haven't decided to jump on the bandwagon.  Here
in Peoria, the area is swarming with jacked up Cadillacs and Lincoln Town
Cars with tinted windows, gold trim, gold wire wheels, wide tires, and huge
hood ornaments.  There's no way, considering Peoria's present economy, that
these people (mostly young black males) could have that kind of money from
legitimate sources.  Hell, if drugs were legal, they'd have to actually
work for a living, and their profits would be next to nothing compared to
what they're getting now.  Legalization would put blacks back on the bottom
rung of the income ladder.
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From: bird@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Robitussin question
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: BIRD%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The CIRCA Underground
From: honig@siam.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Orange County Judge: LegalizeDrugs
Summary: More from behind the Orange Curtain
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, Dept. of Info. & Comp. Sci.
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:55:38 GMT

 dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>Tod Mikuriya <mikuriya@igc.org> writes:
>
>> [from news story]
>>But his suggestions drew angry comments from most county officials.
>>"What was this guy smoking?" asked Sheriff Brad Gates, who promised
>>to remind voters of the proposal come election time.
>
>This makes me angry, the suggestion that anyone who favours drug
>legalization MUST be taking the drugs themselves.  The atmosphere is
>getting closer to the Red Scare more each day.
>
>Of course, I wouldn't expect the sheriff to be supportive considering how
>much his department is probably profiting from civil seizures.

Yes.

At least the OC Register (a fairly conservative paper) came out *in favor* of
legalization, with two big editorials.  Pretty neat stuff to be greeting the
cream of america's crop in the morning...

Anyway the editorial listed four remaining reactions to legalization,
reactions that remain after reason has destroyed any logical arguments.
One reaction was personal accusations.  (To that end, Paul Hagar's admitted
abstinence may be useful in his attempt to straighten out the midwest :-)



--
David A. Honig

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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ronald Reagan: "Facts are stupid things"
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:19:49 GMT
Distribution: alt.drugs
Organization: Damage, Inc.

On the cover of one Frank Zappa record - I believe it is "Broadway
the hard way" - there is a "note" that says something like this:

 "Facts are stupid things"
		-Ronald Reagan to congress, 198(7/8)

I was just wondering on what occasion Mr. Reagan - indubitably
the most notable humanist and intellectual of our decade - did
use such an ingenious statement which greatly increased my almost
fanatical admiration towards him. Was the debate - on which he
clearly was on the losing side - concerning drugs? It would be
easy to imagine that someone presented him some facts about drugs,
to which he answered in the abovementioned way. 
Any definite information about this will be greatly appreciated.
This is your chance to prove that you are "politically knowledgeable". :-)
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
From: malcolm@cs.su.oz (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA alternative?: a rat example
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:48:05 GMT
Reply-To: malcolm@cluster.cs.su.oz (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

(Nichols Paper, J.Med.Chem.)

I saw this about a year ago, and was *very* interested. However, the syntheses
described in the paper are really nasty (rubidium catalyst anyone?).

Also, at that time, no human trials had been done. So fun value and toxicity
are a little uncertain.

I'm sure Mr Nichols hasn't been resting on his laurels, and has progressed
since then, but I haven't got around to snail-mailing him and asking.

Any further details would be greatly appreciated. (particularly as my
paranoia about MDMA use grows...)

Malcolm
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:38:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Apr6.043832.2253

There was a thing on "60 Minutes" about the 1984 Seizure Law.
Apparently, the police have the right to take anything and everything
they want to at any time if they _suspect_ drugs are in any way involved.
They don't even have to charge you with a crime, and they can keep what
they've seized.  One guy had to buy back his own seized jet at a gov't
seizure auction.  That is bullshit.  I suspect that this law may be 
ruled unconstitutional, go to the Supreme Court, and be ultimately upheld
by the ultra right-wing court.  Maybe, maybe not.  But it is a very bad
law.  

Ken
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: just a question
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.164801.3664@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Mar29.010213.11909@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:
>>The exact opposite took effect when Colorado was blackmailed into the 21
>>drinking age (those damn federal highway funds).  Underage drinking is
>>significantly higher now than before the drinking age was raised to 21.
>>And it has not made any significant change in the number of DUIs (the
>>original intention.)
>
>Could you clarify this a bit?  Has the number of under-18 drinkers gone up
>or is the increase due to re-categorizing the drinkers who are 18-20 from 
>"of age" to "underage"?

Aargh...  I'm still searching for my source.  I believe it's people in the 
range of 18-20, but may be wrong.

-marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu

>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>Darryl Gates, George Bush's "ideal police officer", thinks Clarence Thomas, 
>a former casual drug user, should have been shot long ago.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:08:46 GMT

In article <mah2.702281551@Isis.MsState.Edu> mah2@ra.msstate.edu (Michael Andrew Hodges) writes:
>If I was for the legalization of Drugs, Who would be a best candidate to 
>vote for????

If that is the only issue you care about -- vote for Andre Marrou, the
Libertarian candidate.

If you will only consider major party candidates, and it is the only issue
you care about -- vote for Jerry Brown.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Chaste makes waste.