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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week In Black History (9/28 - 10/4 1992)
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:45:49 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


Today is Monday September 28, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])

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September 28 

September 29 WGPR-TV Detroit, first Black-owned station in US, began
                broadcasting in 1975
             President JF Kennedy authorized use of federal troops in
                integration of University of Mississippi, 1962

September 30 

October   1  James Meredith became first Black student at University
                of Missisippi--after 3000 federal troops quelled riots
                against his admission, 1962
             Morgan State College founded in Maryland, 1872

October   2  Thurgood Marshall sworn in as the first Black Supreme
                Court Justice, 1967
             Robert H lawerence, astronaut, 1935-1967

October   3  Bethune-Cookman College opened in Daytona Beach Fla, 1904

October   4  

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 11:41:32 EDT
From: <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs racism

There is a major difference between the two terms.  Prejudice is an attribute
of individuals, whereas, racism is systemic.  Racism is structural.  It is the
organization of *society* based upon: 1) a belief that races actually exist;
2) that there is a hierarchy of these races (i.e. superority-inferiority);
3) policies, practices and ideologies are based upon the aforementioned
components.  Racism, then, is not a matter of individual predisposition but
is imbedded in the very culture or norms of the society.
Simple was creation of Langston Hughes, one of America's foremost authors. Your
lack of knowledge of him is due to the racism in America which either denigrate
s, relegates to obscurity or totally ignores the work and ideas of African
Americans and other people of color  -- cultural racism.
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: National flag for blacks
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:39:06 GMT

In article <1assb4INN9ah@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.175949.27399@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:

>>    think they are "AS" patriotic as white americans. Jewish people
>>
>>    made tremendous contributions to Germany but I seriously doubt they
>>
>>    considered themselves patriots and certainly they weren't AS patriotic
>>
>>    as non-jewish Germans.
>
>It was the feeling of many German Jews, especially, the highly assimilated
>ones whose families had been there for hundreds of years, that they
>were GERMANS. Their patriotism and love of their country was a major
>factor in their destruction, because very few saw the handwriting on the
>wall and fled when there was still opportunity to do so. Many thought
>that Nazism would blow over and go away. It was inconceivable to many
>that things could progress (or rather, regress) so badly. By the time
>it was clear what was happening, Krystalnacht had already happened and
>the edicts came down, fast and furious. It was too late to get out.

Obviously you know this stuff more than I do. But methought many Jews did not
leave Germany coz elsewhere in the "white" world the folx were just as anti-Semitic. 
Specifically, more Jewish intellectuals were murdered in Poland than in Germany (of
course, the culprits were just "obeying orders" as usual)[BTW, during recent elections, 
Lech Walesa kept on using the term "intellectuals" in reference to the Jews, much in the same way
Quale uses the term "caltural elite" to mean all those against his notion of "family
values"];the Baltics were not much of a heaven either; US of A was returning the refugees 
back to their death etc...Uncle Sam is still doing the same shit to the Haitians.

J.K.

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Venues for African Plays
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:16:51 GMT

In article <Oct.5.14.49.14.1992.19258@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew) writes:
>
>Kabu Okai-Davies, a playwright from Ghana, is sitting next to me in my office
>right now, and wants to know venues for scripts about Africa and African-
>American experience.  In August I attended "In Another Man's Name," his
>brilliant play about being a Ghanaian in Newark.  The play highlighted
>conflicts and resolutions between Africans and African Americans.  It was
>performed by an ensemble group out our Symphony Hall.   It is a play that
>people in many other locations would enjoy seeing.  But networks for plays
>of this sort are not established as they are for many 'home-grown' scripts.
>Kabu has strong support from Baraka and other playwrights in the NY region.
>Do any of you know of ways that he could bring his material to the attention
>of producers and directors elsewhere?  And not only his plays, but the
>plays of many of his African compatriates?
.
.
The Lorraine Hansberry Theatre in San Francisco is a good resource.
 There are also a couple of good theatre groups in Oakland/Berkeley.
.
I don't know anyone offhand, but perhaps we suggest something else.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Malcom X School
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:48:24 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <28SEP199210152285@venus.tamu.edu> eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR) writes:

# For years the public education system has been geared to one
# culture, Eurocentr icism. It's a basic realization that public
# schools don't serve the needs of many of our African American
# youth. So why is their a big deal over altering a teaching program
# that will cater to their specific needs.

I think that the problem with our teaching of history isn't so much
that it's Eurocentric, but that it's based on rulers and wars and
heroic figures rather than on people.

According to that methodology, our history (black *and* white) is not
only Eurocentric, but that of a very small elite group of white
Protestant men of very restricted background.  If you play by these
rules you can't just trot out a few African-American, Jewish, Asian,
Hispanic, or Native American figures and expect to even up the score.
The discrimination of the past cannot be erased.

What Americans have to come to terms with is that even while this
small cadre of rulers were writing their names into the history books,
the country was actually being built by a wide variety of people.  Our
common culture, with all its variations, has taken elements from many
earlier cultures, and this has been so right back to the beginnings of
colonization of this continent by outsiders.

So what we have to do is change our definition of history.  I think it
would be far more valuable for high school seniors to read Sowell's
Ethnic America, for instance, than to memorize the dates of all the
presidents.  And histories of technology like some of those that have
been shown on PBS,  histories that acknowledge the contributions of
cultures outside Europe, would be far more valuable than spending a
month on the War of the Roses.

David




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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Good books on African-American history?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:43:55 GMT

In article <3089@voodoo.UUCP>,
das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>As the title says, I would like recommendations for good books on
>Africa-American history.
.
.
One of the best books out of the mid-1980s, Paula Giddings' "When
and Where I Enter: The Impact of Black Women on America."  It's out
in paperback.
From: 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs racism
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:01:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: CMUVM.92273.1201283ZASIB3
 <1992Sep28.164400.13684@cs.ucla.edu>
 <1992Sep29.025425.15788@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Central Michigan University

In response to Geoff, racism is a *white* thing.  As someone pointed out racism
is a historical concept.  It has not always existed.  One could argue that
ethnocentrism is unversal.  There is a general agreement about that.  There
are and have been ethnic tensions throughout history based upon notions that
one's own ethnic group is superior to others.  Racism other the other hand was
an invention of Europeans.  European scholars codified and systemized notions
of races and the superiority of European *race(s)*.  This occurred during the
15th century.  It is whites who assume themselves to be a superior race.

You will note that this period conicides with European expansion and colonial-
ism.  Check out the scholarship on this point: Montague; Leonard Lieberman;
Larry T. Reynolds; among others.  Bob
From: price@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory Neil Price)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African names-why aren't there more of them?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:17:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

The sentiments expressed by hans@iesd.auc.dk in regard to the death
penalty appear sentimental, and besides the point. The fact that the
death penalty disproportionately, and unjustly affects Black Americans
is not a sufficient reason to reconsider, or abolish it. From a
contractarian viewpoint, allowing the state to execute criminals
can be rationalized, regardless of disparities in its application
across race, gender, and class. In a state of nature, the physically
strong can dominate the physically weak. Men in general, can in
a state of nature, distribute hammurabian justice without sanction.
Clearly, if a civil contract is to be drawn up, no strong man would
surrender his right to mete out death as justice in order to join  
civil society,  unless  of   course  the   contrived   state     can
do it by proxy. It a perfect compromise between the strong and
the weak. Both get to pursue their enlightened self-interest free
from the coercion, theft and murder that would prevail in the
state of nature.


What's the point? A good civil society must have a death penalty.
In fact, one could argue that a (civil) society with a death penalty
is a good one. Considerations of racial disparities in death sentences
are  purely sentimental, nor do they completely reveal   how fair
and just a society is--- A Fair and Just Society must have a Death
Penaly. (Otherwise how many strongmen would join, or continue  to
live in it?) 



G. N. Price
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good books on African-American history?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:18:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

I tried to email my thanks to everyone who responded to my question, but
many of my messages bounced.  So, I'd like to thank everyone who posted or
emailed suggestions for books.

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: "Cammie Faye Paglia" question
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:51:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471600045:000:294
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct  2 18:51:00 1992


Where's the woman who posted about "Cammie Fay Paglia."  I think
she had some info that's wanted in the conference soc.feminism.
Didn't she have some info about Cammie Fay saying gang rape
was a thrilling experience for men?
Somebody in soc.feminism wants to know that quote.  Please email me.
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Gay people {Carl Lewis}
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:44:56 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <3869.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) writes:

I was staying out of this, and just watching the fray from afar, but I
felt I had to speak up in order to clear up a coupla misconceptions.
>
>That's great! IMHExperience, Gay men have more trouble in relationships
>than any other (man/woman, woman/woman). First, Gays _tend_ to grow
>up in screwed up families, so many had never seen a working
>relationship as children.

	This is a gross generalization from the days when Freud's
students claimed that the problem was an overbearing mother and a weak
father  (or vice versa), and simplyd doesn't hold water. Gay people
come from the same kinds of families that straight people come from :
some traditional, some not, some dysfunctional and some not. I believe
that just about every family has its problems, but that does not make
every family dysfuncional, nor does a dysfunctional family always
produce a gay child (Who knows what does?).
	I suspect that a lack of social support and acceptance is what
hinders many gay relationships from lasting succesfully. I mean, there
is little or no social support. Some even end up having to keep their
relationship a secret from everyone they know. There are no social
institutions (outside of the gay community) which recognize and
support these relationships. So its not wonder that many of these
relationships fall apart. Some do last, however. I've seen them. And
some of them come out a lot more balanced and stronger than a lot of
straight relationships I've also seen.

 Second, the classical socialisation with it's
>role education is still in effect. The woman is responsible for the
>feelings and the work in the relationship, the man does the work and the
>competition. Thus, if two of those come together, neither one is
>especially trained to work out the problems in a relationship. After one
>has had a couple of broken relationships, he will recognise more and
>more important things and problems in a relationship.

	This almost seems to back up the claim for gays knowing more
about relationships that straights, and seems to contradict the
above-made point.

>This all sounds terribly prejudiced.

I'm sure you're not. But I just make it my bussiness to clear up
misconceptions wherever I find them.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu (Valerie A. McNair)
Subject: Re: Black Racism - Language
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: soc 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:39:18 GMT

In article <BvF07v.92I@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
>In article <3779.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>>
>>Following the previously discussed concept of "A little racism towards
>>Whites every once in a while", I'm looking for examples of Black
>>Racism towards Whites in language. Derogatory remarks like
>>"Whitefeather" or "Whitesock".
>>Any examples welcome.
>
>
>  There are quite a few of these; whitebread, lily white, white minority,
>etc

I would like to add to those examples: Cracker, redneck, honky, WASP,etc.

However, I prefer to never use this terms.  In order for us to end racism, we
must be cautious in the words we use to describe other races of people.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Boycott "Rhythm & Blues"
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:08:42 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu's message of 2 Oct 92 06:48:30 GMT

|> Be careful what you boycott. Be careful when you boycott. Would you prefer

|I actually watched the show out of curiousity last night.  Politics
|aside, I thought it was absolutely stupid.  The acting is lacking, the
|comedy is sophomoric.  The show has little holding it together.

|Boycotting won't be necessary.   The show won't last 10 episodes.

Maybe, maybe not *but* it is placed between A Different World and
Cheers, soit has a nice chance of making.

--
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           considered 'really' Black.  It's the same reason people think 
           you're a dyke."
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From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pres Bush is Coming to Penn State
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:43:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pslu1.1992Sep29.214313.1931
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <92273.161738FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:
> Robert,
> 
> I have cums once a month. The chem dept here offers 4 cums every month  
and
> the grad cmte suggests their grad students try to take one a month. I  
have
> 2 years to pass 6 exams. That works out to be 6 cums passed in 2 years.
> I think I can do that :-)
> 
> Fred Rozenblad       *
> FKR@psuvm.psu.edu    * Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
>                      *

     Fred, Fred, Fred. Think about what you're saying, man! Here at  
Wisconsin, the Chem Dept has those kind of exams, too. But we call them  
_CUMES_, not .... :-) :-)

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:08:14 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct3.175504.17958@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
$     Somehow, this doesn't sound like a case of a group of gang members  
$just wanting to waste a cop. It sounds more like a professional hit to me.  
$If Haaf really was operating his own private shakedown racket, that's more  
$likely the real motive, rather than some alleged "declaration of war" on  
$the cops by the gangs.

Yeah, I was sorta thinking the same thing too, 'specially since things
were relatively cool this summer.  We only had 2-3 "spikes" in
the past three months, and while Chief Laux was readin some damn
announcement that he had rehearsed each time, Deputy Chief Dobrotka was out in
the streets with the gang leaders tryin to cool shit down.

It also seems that Haaf was involved in some extracirricular activity
hours before his death.  This is what my homie told me, so it could
either be true or not:  Haaf had just gotten through shaking down a
brother and a hispanic dude.  I'll have to talk with him to get the
real story, but the account of Haaf shaking it at the Welfare office
is true.

$I've heard that the Minneapolis Police Department  
$used to be incredibly corrupt. Is that still the case?

Well, John Laux has been police chief for 4 years and some change now.
I have only been here for 5 years, so I don't know WHAT the hell
was goin on prior to then; I was busy tryin to keep the Oakland Police
off my ass.  The dude that was there before Laux was Tony Bouza.  Most
people say he was level-headed, but Laux is corrupt BIG time.  So much
crazy, unexplainable shit has happened since Laux was put into office.
I have papers at home that show but a few of the documented cases of
police brutality (damn! shoulda brought um to work).  The Strib
reported that there has been (from one account) as much as a 415%
increase in the number of police misconduct cases since Laux was put
into office.  Shit really started gettin kinda hot in 1989, when I
graduated from high school.

$> RACIALLY TORN IN MINNEAPOLIS
$
$     <heavy sigh> 

Yeah, and the worst thing is, people up here try to fake like it ain't
happenin.  Shame, shame...


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From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Black Racism - Language
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: travel.3779.117.uupcb
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO

Hi!

Following the previously discussed concept of "A little racism towards
Whites every once in a while", I'm looking for examples of Black
Racism towards Whites in language. Derogatory remarks like
"Whitefeather" or "Whitesock".
Any examples welcome.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * A dark-haired person will change your life
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Af-Ams in the U.S. Military
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:16:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep30.001408.27526@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:


>Both my father and stepfather have served in the armed forces.
>Usually that meant you got the GI Bill, which allowed for schooling
>to help you get a job later, and also helped on the down payment for
>a house.  So much for how Fed programs are too bloated, help like
>this was a leg up for young black men after WWII and Korea.  Now, I
>believe, the Bill is gone.  Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

You are wrong.  The GI Bill is live and well.  I'm not sure if it's
still called the GI Bill, but the military pays a big chunk of your
college costs after you put in a few years.

As far as I know, the only people who oppose the GI Bill are the War
Tax Resisters who refuse to pay taxes for anything military, including
the GI Bill.
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From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Discrimination in Science?
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:17:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oen5bdi00WB797aphS
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The problem with observing racial discrimination in science is that it 
occurs at such a low level, in grade school and early high school.  
By the process of "tracking", or just by not urging students to take the 
quality programs, not enough minorities enter the sciences or even have 
the background necessary to enter them.

I would suspect the primary reason why there are no African-American 
graduate students or faculty in my department (Physics) is that none
have applied.  Carnegie Mellon's record with Affirmative Action is
pretty good
and in the case of undergrads, the minority students we accept do better
than average in the introductory physics program.

The sexism in science departments is well documented.  Probably the only
reason that racism is not documented is that it doesn't often have a 
chance to occur.

Steve Timm
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