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From: rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:06:04 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <BxvxFJ.888@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>>They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>>against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>>up any chance to win the MNC.
>
>>ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>>Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>>USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>>the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...
>
>>		- rob
>
>Can you give me any justification why the header has :
>     Michigan, ND, Miami etc .. 
>
>Oh about the other question, rob - maybe it's because ND has a loss !!!
>
>Justin - stickin his nose in just for the hell of it - Frederich
>
>
Sorry Frederich,

I'd say a loss to Stanford and wins over BYU, BC, Penn State 
and (hopefully) USC are a bit more impressive than:

	- a TIE agaisnt Illinois
	- a squeaky win versus Purdue
	- winning with a pathetically easy schedule

		rob

but then agsin, my opinion is obviously biased :)
From: garnto@scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto 904/644-4534)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:39:30 GMT
Reply-To: garnto@scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto 904/644-4534)
Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute

|>Most of my dislike comes from the sudden blurb of fsu posters who suddenly
|>think they should be #1 or #2 in the nation with other unbeaten teams around.
|>

Please don't dislike all of us because of one
person who got their news account as a 
favor to a friend.  we are not all that
arrogant.  i was amazed we go the number
3 spot in the ap poll (very pleased, but
surprized)

|>The over rankedness of a team will show thru on Jan. 1.  I've heard that
|>if things end up:
|>
|>1.  Miami
|>2.  Bama
|>3.  fsu
|>4.  TAMU
|>
|>Which would indicate a Miami/Bama game and a fsu/TAMU game, fsu would
|>probably not attend due to last year.  That, my friend, I would call
|>ducking.  The source for this is second hand out of a paper somewhere, so
|>take at as is, rumor.
|>
|>What do the fsu supporters say about another Cotton Bowl??

I would love it!  I would make the drive, if someone could tell me where a 
decent hotel (and not $$$) is in dallas/ft
worth.  the only time i stayed there 
was a conference.

The part that gets me about all this, is FSU is SUPPOSE to be in a rebuilding
mode (at least that was what they said before the season starts).   how quickly
things (and people) change.

|>
|>Todd
|>
|>>>>One thing for sure the bowl alliance is working.  But, we still need a
|>>>>playoff system, this MO POINTS rule sucks.

I agree, but after being at the game the last couple of weeks, and seeing
who did the scoring (and how), not sure we purposely ran the score that high 
(kind of high, but...).  except the burt "i bought you new uniforms again" 
reynolds reverse...  i think that was in poor taste.

ken "looking forward to the 28th" garnto

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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: Rice 34 Baylor 31
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:32:19 GMT

In article <Bxx63J.609@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes:
>I wonder if the Owls can keep Goldsmith, who in my opinion is a damn
>good coach.  If the Hogs dump Kine (I make no comments as to whether
>they should or not), they'll probably consider him along with Cooper,
>Dickerson  (asst. at Clemson), Ford, Sherrill (please lord no), and
>Perkins.   

Sherrill?  I don't see why he'd leave Mis. St.  Does he have past ties
to Arkansas (I honestly have no clue)?  Besides, he's having a good 
year.  

I DOUBT Goldsmith would leave - this is his first season with
a team entirely of players that he recruited.  I don't think his
"job" or "mission" or whatever is anywhere near finished, just by
having one winning season.  HOWEVER, if "bad things" happen within
both the SWC and Rice in the off-season, it is a possibility,

It seems that like EVERYONE on TV/press mentiones Dickerson as a 
candidate, and Danny Ford's final year of  his "buyout" with Clemson
is this year.  Ford has stated publicy that he did not want the
coaching job there, but how many teams do you know that hire a
coaching "consultant"?  I know why their calling him a "consultant"
(so he can get the last year of his $$$ from Clemson), but WHAT DOES
HE DO?  Inquiring minds want to know the nature of his consulting ...


go yellowjackets (aarghh)
go patriots (make it stop!)
go owls (hmm ....)

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
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 history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.  It should
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: WeeKenD Wack UpDatE   11/16/92
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:16:06 GMT

(in approx. order)
		conf    o all
		W L	W L T
Hawaii          5 2     7 2      
S.D. St.	5 2     5 3 1
bwhyu		5 2     7 4
FresnoSt	4 2	6 4
Air F.		4 4	7 4
Utah		4 3 	6 4
Wyo		3 4 	5 6
ColoSt		2 5 	4 7 
N.Mex.		2 5 	3 7
TeX ElP		1 6	1 9

recent results

SD St 52, Hawaii 28 (was a good first half)
BwhyU 28 AF 7
ColoSt 35 Ohio u 24
NmeX 35 UTEP 14  
UTAH 38 WYO 7











(bwhyu 35 Nmex 0)


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From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:42:03 GMT

merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin) writes:

>Todd Lee Henderson writes:
>>Glenn Tanner writes:
>>>That's not much more than a slap on the wrist if you ask me, especially when 
>>>you consider the slaps SMU got in 1984 and TCU got in 1985.  And there is 
>>
>>I personally thought TCU got shafted.  I thought the coach turned in many
>>of his best players and alums before anything broke.  I don't think that
>>bought them anything at all.  I feel like the NCAA sent a message with this:
>>
>>'Don't turn yourself in, the penalty will not be any easier if you do, hide
>>it as long as possible.'

>Not to pick nits, but I go to school at TCU and the word down here is that
>there was some evidence that Wacker knew about the payments to players
>before he "stumbled over a bag of money in Kenneth Davis's dorm room and 
>was so outraged that he turned his own program in." The more likely scenerio
>was "Gee, they're really coming down on SMU hard, we better turn ourselves

I thought the TCU thing came before the SMU thing???  Just wondering.

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

>in to minimize our chances for the death penalty." I personally think that
>TCU got exactly what they deserved.

>Teresa
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Keywords: Sexist jabs.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:15:22 GMT

I'm confused.

How the hell did any mention of Texas A&M get into this thread?

GT
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From: willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com (Royce Willmschen)
Subject: UGA's Fight Song (was Re: Fight songs)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:39:32 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

How 'bout this alternate version of Glory Glory:

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the stomping of the dogs.
We will make those poor, dumb farm boys wish they'd stuck to sloppin' hogs.
When the victory is ours, there will come a mighty yell,
"Those Dogs can go to hell!"

To Hell, To Hell, To Hell with Georgia
To Hell, To Hell, To Hell with Georgia
To Hell, To Hell, To Hell with Georgia
The Cesspool of the South

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ongh@iastate.edu (Undertaker...)
Subject: Re: Huskers lose. Mega-Major Bummer!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.155010.28402@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>I listened to the game on the radio. Nebraska was caught with their pants down
>in 2 respects. 1. I think the boys may have been a little over-confident and
>cocky. 2. Iowa State threw them a major curve ball.
>
>Iowa State has been know lately for their passing game. Or at least for throwing
>the ball "a lot" compared to it's past history. Well they came out with a semi-
>wishbone-I and just pounded the ball at Nebraska on the ground. NU was not stopping it. This caught NU's defense off-guard AND used up the clock. The
>best defense vs Nebraska is ball control. This is what I-State did and did 
>well. There was also some strong wind which hurt Nebraska's attemp at comeback

Incorrect! ISU has been running the triple option all season. ISU has not been
known to be a great passing team. ISU coach Walden has said well before the 
game he was gonna run-run-run, limited number of passing. this was because
ISU was starting 5th year back-up Seiler for the first time due to injury to 
the starting QB. There was no "semi-wishbone" as you call it, it was wishbone
formation all the way, plus split backs...something like the run and shoot.
 
there was no wind...forget it, it was cold, but no wind, their failure to make
a comeback was stimied by ISU defense. several plays, 3rd and 3or 4, they try
a running play and the Cornerback just plain tackled the RB for a loss...
Plus, they have seldom been caught with 3rd and long all season.....
NU is still a great team from many(including myself) people's point of view.
They just plain under-estimated ISU, plus, they might be looking ahead towards
the OU game........

I'd bet that the Huskers must be thinking, "well, we beat CU and KU by such 
big margin, what is ISU? Let's have a 600-700 yds offense today, huh?"
....or something like that.

>Husker Henderson
>--
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ongh@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
Subject: Re: UT in Austin predictions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:38 CST  

In article <1992Nov20.152954.1731@digi.lonestar.org>, mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike) writes...
> 
>>From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
>>then explain why UNT was on your schedule still contained Arkansas?
>>Remember the year they almost beat you?
>>
>>cmuck <- I like ribbing these guys...  pretty soon he will start 
>>         talking about the good ole days..  :-)
>>
> 
>the good ole days start Nov 26, 1992 when the legacy continues.  that
>bonfire is your dreams burning away :)
> 
>%From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
>%  I would say Texas has scheduled the fewest number of patsies in their
>%  non-conference schedule than anyone else. We played NewMexico State
>%  and Oregon State in 87 and UNT in 88.. And that's it. The rest were
>%  2 against BYU, 2 against Penn St, 6 against OU, 3 against Auburn,
>%  2 aginst Colorado, 1 aginst Syracuse and 2 against Miss.St. in the last 
>%  seven years.
>%
>%  So keep your mouth shut !!
>%
>%  GO HORNS !
>%
>%  Jay.
> 
>you tell them Jay.  i wonder how many quality teams were on a&m's
>schedule in the last couple of years.  also, most of these teams were
>ranked when we played them.
> 
>#From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
>#	While I am greatly looking forward to the t.u. game, they must 
>#first get by a motivated Baylor team.
>#
>#GIG'EM  AGS!!!
>#
>#Mark Weyland
>#Texas A&M University - Class of '88
> 
>this is true.  we also have the chance of losing players to injury
>in this game that will hamper us next thursday.  hopefully, we won't
>lose any.
> 
>since i will be gone all next week and won't have a chance to post
>i am going to submit my predictions now.
> 
>we will win the baylor game. (this is all i really care about this
>game)
> 
>now for thanksgiving.  we will spoil a&m's season by defeating them and
>i will collect my winnings from all my aggie friends.  my thanksgiving
>dinner will go down smoothly.  it won't be a blow out because a&m is
>a good team and our defense is very vulnerable.  the only reason i'm
>picking us to win is because it is in austin.
> 
>AND I'LL BE PICKIN' COTTON ON NEW YEARS!!!
> 
>good luck folks.  have a great thanksgiving!
> 
>mike
> 


	Pretty classy for a teasip!  Here's to a great thanksgiving - 
family, food, and football..... and naps!

GIG'EM  AGS!!!

Mark Weyland
Texas A&M University - Class of '88




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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:38:36 CST

In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>
>This weekend should provide ample ;-) evidence that the University of
>Southern California has without a doubt the best looking cheerleaders. 
>There should be plenty of gratuitous coverage of these buxom beauties when
>USC plays Note Dame on Saturday.  They just can't be denied.

They are good-looking, but they wear way too much clothing.  They always
have those damned thick sweaters on.  Skimpier outfits!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:55:32 GMT

mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:

>Notre Dame stadium holds 59,075.  I think ND must not have wanted to play
>in FSU's backyard.  ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
>has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  (Though,
>of course, they've never played at FSU).  I hope this turns into a good
>series, meaning that there won't be bad blood like ND has with another
>Florida school.  Most ND fans like and respect FSU (though I'm sure they
>wish FSU would find Miami's number someday), and I hope ND does
>go to FSU's home stadium to play someday.

This is why I don't respect Notre Dame. The fans may hope ND plays at the
Doak some day but why can't they do it right away ? The stadium size is
bullshit since ND's stadium is so small. It just looks to me that they
want to use their power to set the schedule so they have maximum advantage.

Matt, it's like you say ND may get an ugly reception in the South but the
game will be in Orlando which at least 200 miles South of Tallahassee.
I understand that Florida State didn't have to agree to these terms but
I also feel strongly that if Notre Dame (and their alumni) are so high
minded and wonderful - they shouldn't have asked for this concession in
the first place.

Some Miami fans like and respect Notre Dame (hell if you got rid of
Holtz I'd probably like ND) . I am a Miami fan and respect the fact that
Notre Dame has had the most successful program of all college football.
I guess that's why I'm bothered when ND looks like they're throwing
their weight around again.

And finally, why do you wish FSU would find Miami's number someday ?
I thought ND didn't give a damn about that other southern team. :-)

Justin - cane fan who doesn't care if we ever play ND again - Frederich

(there that ought to get Szerba typing)


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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Subject: Re: Huskers lose. Mega-Major Bummer!!
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:50:10 GMT

--
>But I'll wait until next year before I start the NU #1 hype again.

>This disappointing loss should light a fire in this team, so I feel a little
>sorry for Oklahoma. :j We should be back on top of our game by then. At least
>I hope so. Anyway, I'm still cheering my Husker's even if I am depressed at
>the moment. Again, congrats to ISU for playing the game of their lives.

>GO BIG RED!!

> Skip Burrell

I listened to the game on the radio. Nebraska was caught with their pants down
in 2 respects. 1. I think the boys may have been a little over-confident and
cocky. 2. Iowa State threw them a major curve ball.

Iowa State has been know lately for their passing game. Or at least for throwing
the ball "a lot" compared to it's past history. Well they came out with a semi-
wishbone-I and just pounded the ball at Nebraska on the ground. NU was not stopping it. This caught NU's defense off-guard AND used up the clock. The
best defense vs Nebraska is ball control. This is what I-State did and did 
well. There was also some strong wind which hurt Nebraska's attemp at comeback.

I would be willing to bet that the NU coaches were talking to the players all
week in an attempt to get their heads in this game and prepare properly. One of
the NU coaches said BEFORE THE GAME that he felt the players were not ready for
this game - an implication that the kids were not motivated. Well, the old saying is true - let them in the game long enough and then they really truely
do believe that they can beat you. Then you have a problem. That problem 
translated to a big fat "L" Saturday and a glorious "W" for a program that really needed a boost.

Hats off to ISU. Heck of a game plan and it was played out by the team.

As for Nebraska - well Huskers still control the destiny of us and Colorado.
I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that with this wake-up call NU will be back to itself vs OU. I say NU by 21. And with last Saturday's lesson do you really think the Huskers will take KSU lightly?  NOT !!! Sorry CU - no Oranges for you again.

I still think NU is of top-5 or top-10 quality and are on the way up. This can
be turned into a positive thing. I think the Husker kids will probably grow up
some after this loss.


Husker Henderson
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From: J.M.Crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant)
Subject: Re: Pack Orange Bowl Bound?
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:43:55 GMT

From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Pack Orange Bowl Bound ?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:28:08 GMT
In article <1992Nov17.142817.4493@ncsu.edu> bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT  
RICKER) writes:
> 
> According to today's News and Observer:
> 
> Orange Bowl representatives will be on hand at Carter Finely Stadium
> Saturday to watch the Wake - State game.  Evidently, if Miami ends up
> playing Florida St in the Fiesta bowl, NCSU will be invited to play
> the Big Eight Champ (Nebraska?, Colorado?) in the Miami on New Year's Day.

>>Questions:  
>>1)  Can FSU jump Alabama without Alabama losing?  (Ans: I doubt it.)
>>2)  If Alabama loses in the SEC playoff, and FSU ends up #2, where
        would the Tide go?  Orange?  Cotton vs. TAMU?  

My understanding is that the loser of the SEC playoff game will go to the
Citrus Bowl to play the Big 10 runner up.  This will most likely be Ohio 
State.
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: comments & and questions
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:12:30 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Does the Fumblerooski ALWAYS WORK???

I have seen it work five times while watching live play without a
failure, except once due to a penalty. Does the defense ever manage
to pick up the ball while it is on the ground, or even stop the 
offensive lineman before a long gain?


Tennesee will be victorious in their remaining games under Johnny Majors.



Will we see the return of the Anti-Woof? Shameless hype by their fans
on the net has hurt Michigan, Nebraska, Washington, and Arizona in recent
weeks.


When they formed the conference, where did the Big East get their
officials from? There have been several games that Big East officials
have butchered this season. At least the Big East commissioner has
admitted thge fiascos in the Syracuse-West Virginia, and Navy-Air Force
games, so maybe they will be making attempts to correct them. (Navy-AF
was played with Big East refs. Navy was on the verge of a HUGE 16-15
upset when the Zebras disallowed an obvious fumble. Air Force kicked
the game winning FG a couple of plays later.)


Is Michigan clinching the Big 10 sort of like Denver, Minnesota,
or Buffalo securing a spot in the Super Bowl?

If Michigan is as good as their fans say, couldn't they have not worried
about risking a loss to Illinois? After all, they would still go to the
Rose bowl with a tie or win over Ohio State, even if they lost to Illinois.

How many coaches would still have a player in a game after he fumbled
the ball five times in about ten chances?
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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Huskers lose. Mega-Major Bummer!!
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:18:33 GMT
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In article <skipb.721875221@cwis> skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
>
>This disappointing loss should light a fire in this team, so I feel a little
>sorry for Oklahoma. :j We should be back on top of our game by then. At least
>I hope so. Anyway, I'm still cheering my Husker's even if I am depressed at
>the moment. Again, congrats to ISU for playing the game of their lives.
>

When is the last time that NU lost two regular season games in a row? Anybody
know?
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