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From: v125njuc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DA BIG FAT FUNKY BUTT-GROOVE)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: fell from heaven?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:05:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I'd like to hear any theory on how Satan came to be.  Did
"god's" jealousy of lucifer's power cause him to throw lucifer out
of heaven?  Anything like that?
	Sean
Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1279 talk.religion.misc:6347
From: brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 7 Apr 1992 15:47:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

>Someone help me here, please.  I mean these all as serious--not flippant--
>questions.

First of all, the term/name "Satan" simply means "adversary" and I think 
stemmed from Judaism (that is, pre-Christian).

"Satan", from the point of view of the Satanist, reverts back to this earlier
definition and represents opposition to ANY religion that serves to stifle 
humanity's primal instincts/lusts/desires.

As I understand it, the name of "Satan" was adopted primarily for it's shock
value which has helped it to become noticed in today's society.  For instance,
if the Church of Satan had instead named itself "The Order of Melek Taus", few
people if any would have taken any notice and the group would have been swept
under the carpet, so to speak.

As a Satanist, you can accept whatever image appeals to you most.  What is 
important is the philosophies which have stemmed the movement.  Images are all
secondary at most.  

Did I forget anything?
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: fell from heaven?
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:42:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Apr9.204258.1
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <ku90bjINN35h@aludra.usc.edu>, brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason 
Brantigan) writes:
> 
>> I'd like to hear any theory on how Satan came to be.  Did "god's" jealousy of
>> Lucifer's power cause him to throw Lucifer out of heaven?  Anything like 
>> that?
> 
> 
> You're kidding, right?  Haven't you read time and time again that Satanists 
> don't go for this Christian-lore crap?  What is this, "...throw Lucifer out of
> heaven" shit?  How is someone that doesn't exist supposed to get thrown out of
> a place that doesn't exist?  Are you new to this newsgroup or something?  Why
> don't you restrict Biblical questions like this to some Christian newsgroup,
> where all of the Christian commentators in THIS newsgroup should remain.
> 
> But in case I'm just flying off the hinges undeservedly, I'll answer your 
> question.  SATAN comes from old hebrew and means "adversary".  LUCIFER 
> started

Please, stop making these categorical declarations about Satanists!

I happen to enjoy digging up odd pieces of Xian lore. Doesn't mean I take it
all literally. It does make for fun things like reeling off some of the weirder
tidbits about heresies (hey, I read where Xians worship Satan. Is this true?).

BTW, how were you going to complete the above? I can take a guess...

--Semhaza "I love Gnosticism" Antichrist 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown)
Subject: Re: Sorry I didn't impress you geeks,but that really wasn't the intent
Keywords: Idiocy, stupidtiy
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:51:02 GMT

For those of you unable to read these further great words, I translate
once again from illitispeak into American English:

-------------------

Apparently my failure to proof-read my previous posting has caused you
to neglect its content; this is my error, but I still believe that perhaps
you might have done me the courtesy of looking for the message behind my
inept misuse of words.  If you had taken the time to do so, I believe you
would have found the message to be as clear and coherent as any opinion
ever spoken.  I apologize greatly for having posted a less than techically
perfect letter to a group populated by such sterling intellects; you
should recognize, however, that your making fun of me is merely (sob)
representative of the fact that you're s-s-scared of what I'm saying.
I c-c-c-couldn't care less about what any of you think about me;  I d-don't
want to impress any of you, really I don't!  I live for myself and NOBODY ELSE,
and the fact that I keep posting here even when you r-r-reject me has nothing
to do with my d-d-desire to be loved in spite of myself.  
(ahem) (sniff)
Unlike those who follow the crowd, even the pseudo-anarchical headbangers who
still dress and act the same as all the rest, I do not feel compelled to follow
the actions or words of another.  I'm not criticizing headbangers, mind you,
or any other societal rejects - to do so would be hypocritical.  I would like
to hear all of your thoughts; alt.satanism should not be a conservative, calm
place.

The stick that stands alone is the strongest.  Really it is!  Really!   I
like being alone!  

-Dio

----------------------
Back to Jeremy:

Okay, Dio, I'm going to speak my mind now plainly, as sarcasm and subtlety,
even applied with a sledgehammer, have failed to make a dent:

a) Those who are unable to type, spell or be bothered to use a spell-checker
or dictionary, write a semi-coherent sentence, or think, are frequently 
looked down upon in the electronic world.  

b) When one actually bothers to dig through your mangled language, one finds
that you are a whiner.  Were I a Satanist, I would certainly want to make
sure to assure everyone that you weren't in MY branch of the faith.

c) Sending me more personal insults will just get them posted to this newsgroup
for the continued amusement of the other readers of alt.satanism.  The fact
of the matter is that had you not sent me that first piece, I would have left
you alone. 

d) Don't go matching wits with newborn babies or dogs, for they shall surely 
humiliate you further.

Jeremy
From: v116hgth@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Darmody)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Satan was a weenie
Keywords: penis, phallus
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41








You guys have a lot to learn about reality. Jesus is lord and you all
are damned to hell. I hope you and your children rot and burn for eternity.



---jules


further discussion by e-mail only, please.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Joshua, are you there?  (Was Re: Jesus Jokes)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:50:24 GMT


Joshua, you wrote me by E-Mail.  This is the post I referred you to.

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <1992Apr2.221913.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.

>
>Jesus saves souls, and trades them in for valuable prizes!
>
>Sorry, can't remember where I saw that...I think it was in someone's .sig.
>
>--Semhaza, A.C.

Jesus spelled backwards is susej, which implies that
he is a dog treat that tastes and looks like sausages

               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               |   'Now I will find out who is right   |
               |                                       |
               |    the world or I.' -Henrich Ibsen    |
               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris Colvin)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Even more jokes!
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:13:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: CompuSer.920408001349_70253.2621_CHC45-2

Charles Anthony Leone writes:

>How do you excite a Christian girl?
>Show her the DARK SIDE.

Dark side of what, Charlie?  Your pimply face?

Sorry Charlie, only the best tasting tuna gets to be Starkist, and
you're only cod liver.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne)
Subject: Re: The Satanic Purpose.
Keywords: Purpose.
Reply-To: pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:43:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.152043.21643@panix.com> rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
>
>A Satanist must appease no god but himself.
>A Satanist's only purpose is to live his/her life as he/she
>sees fit.
>
>A Satanist chooses to doubt, rather than believe.
>
>s

Reuben these are your definitions of a Satanist, many would
disagree

>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Reuben Radding                   | "The indignation of fools
>Internet: rdr@panix.com          |  is my favorite crown."
>also: {apple, cmcl2}!panix!rdr   |               --Ben Hecht


           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           |  I have seen the darkened depths of Hell,  |
           |                                            |
           |  sorcery beyond the witches spell.         |
Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1351 talk.religion.misc:6909
From: kla!zardoz@sun.com (Phillip Wayne)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:33:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun!kla.1992Apr13.153303.26852
Organization: KLA Instuments, Inc.

In article <ku49krINNqp0@aludra.usc.edu> brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan) writes:
>>Someone help me here, please.  I mean these all as serious--not flippant--
>>questions.
>
>First of all, the term/name "Satan" simply means "adversary" and I think 
>stemmed from Judaism (that is, pre-Christian).
[...]
>As I understand it, the name of "Satan" was adopted primarily for it's shock
>value which has helped it to become noticed in today's society.  For instance,
>if the Church of Satan had instead named itself "The Order of Melek Taus", few
>people if any would have taken any notice and the group would have been swept
>under the carpet, so to speak.
>

Just a (small) correction. The name apparently comes from about 200-100BC, 
from a group called the Essenes. The Shaitan (adversary) was the leader of
a heavenly revolt, when the sons of light revolted against the sons of 
darkness. Unfortunately, the sons of darkness won, and the sons of light
were thrown out of heaven to land on their rumps in a garbage pit (yes,
take that literally) called Gehenna.

The current crop, according to this legend, "which art in heaven" are,
indeed, the sons of darkness.

Sort of explains a lot, doesn't it?

-- 
+----------------------------------------------+
| When you do it to me, it's discrimination    | These are my opinions.
|    When I do it to you, it's AA              |   Oy vey, are they my opinions
+----------------------------------------------+      Zardoz
From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: fell from heaven?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:05:05 GMT
Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney)
Organization: An Ever-Devolving Antifractal Lattice

In article <1992Apr7.150636.27946@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v125njuc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DA BIG FAT FUNKY BUTT-GROOVE) writes:
>	I'd like to hear any theory on how Satan came to be.  Did
>"god's" jealousy of lucifer's power cause him to throw lucifer out
>of heaven?  Anything like that?
>	Sean

Hi, Da.  There was a committee meeting in 1934 in Tangiers.  You were
invited; how come you didn't mae it?  Everybody was really bummed.
-- 
Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com

"As I was walking among the fires of Hell, delighted with the enjoyments of
 Genius; which to Angels look like torment and insanity.  I collected some of
 their Proverbs..." - Blake, "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIAN GOD!
Date: 05 Apr 92 21:17:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: alt.satanism

In article <29MAR199222105127@gamma.is.tcu.edu> djohnson@gamma.is.tcu.edu (Darryl Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Mar27.233720.18538@athena.mit.edu>, ndpope@athena.mit.edu (Kyle E. Pope) writes...
>>	us.  Speaking for myself, I do not go on your Christian groups and
>>	extoll the virtues of Satan.  (I'm afraid that a foray into a Christian 
>>	group would irretrievably cover me in slime and illogic.)
>
>More likely, you're afraid you might actually run into some
>educated Christians, with a real knowledge of history, and the
>ability to thoughtfully consider their faith.  Then you might
>actually have to construct logical rebuttals.

He likely avoids xian groups out of courtesy, something that is sorely
lacking among many xians who post in alt.satanism.

What's the point of a logical rebuttal to a christian argument that's based
on faith?

>Fortunately, here in alt.satanism, you only encounter the
>mindless Christians who attempt to convert people by
>the AMOUNT of debate they put forth, rather than the quality.
>
>After seeing the level of thought on alt.satanism, and having
>some knowledge of the kinds of people who use cute little
>nicknames to show how "bad" they are, I doubt most of you
>would last more than a day or two on a REAL Christian area.

Depends on what a "real christian area" is...  likely we'd be overwhelmed by
the quantity you mention above...

>Personally, I'm glad that most of you AREN'T Christians.  A
>mindless pain-in-the-butt Satanist becomes a mindless
>pain-in-the-butt Christian.  And I suspect that if you didn't
>have Christians here to toy with, alt.satanism would probably
>dry up and blow away.  

me: "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the most pain-in-the-butt christian of
	all?"

mirror: "djohnson@gamma.is.tcu.edu"

Tim
From: bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (william)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio) writes:

>I've read one version of the Satanic Bible by Anton.And some other book
>of the raising of the dead called Necromicon.They were interesting,but 
>fuck how can you believe any of that bulshit.Especially the fuckiing
>bible,for all you christians,god can suck my dick.
> I don't believe in Satan or god,but the Satanic bible is alot more
>realistic.I mean if you alway treat someone the way you would like them to treat you ,well if he stabs you in the back,and you tell him,oh please don't

       (much other nonsense deleted...)

Next time, please try to use proper sentence structure, spelling and 
punctuation.  Many of us work very hard at tedious jobs we hate.  As such,
we have very little quality time to waste.  Please, don't dip into our
pails 'o' time with your idle ramblings.

This message brought to you by the Service Workers of America.
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic Children
Date: 05 Apr 92 21:00:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <9203301457.AA22911@eagle.is.lmsc.lockheed.com> J024330@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>Please Stop
>
>Josh, I appreciate your concern. If someone asked you to stop speaking on what
>you believe in, it would seem they are trying to restrict your First Amendment
>Rights. I have the right to speak, and you have the right to ignore what is
>posted. As stated above, I will proclaim God. I will not persecute others of a
>different faith. By being here, some good discussions have been raised. Valid
>points have been brought forth on both sides. This has been as much a learning
>experience for me as it may have been for others. I'm sorry, I cannot honor
>your request.

Yes, you have the "right", but you should consider that christianity is not
the subject of this newsgroup, Satanism is.  Perhaps your right would be
less rudley expressed elsewhere.

>I would get attacked and killed. My family would then dwell with God.

Can us satanists pray to your god for this???

>If you are being persecuted, it is not by a true Christian. The true Christian
>would show you love instead of hate. If you were my neighbor, I would welcome
>you into my home. If your family were in need, I would help. If your family
>were under attack, I would help.

A "true christian" would spend less time talking about how "upstanding" and
"righteous" he is, and more time doing.  I submit that you could spend more
time doing:  the effort you make reading and posting to this newsgroup alone
could be better spend helping people who want or will appreciate your help
rather than anoying us.

>Jesus challenged the Pharisees, "Whoever
>is without sin, let him cast the first stone." The Pharisees disbursed

...whereupon Jesus took up large stone and threw it at the prostitute;
"I've always wanted to do that", spake the lord.

>Forgiveness and love.

Great go find someone with something that needs to be forgiven.

>Become a Christian because you know Jesus Christ...

I can't *know* jesus christ, he's long dead and turned to dust.

>Thanks for all your discussions and flames.

We'll arrange with our lord Satan for some more intense flames for you...

Tim
From: brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Satan was a weenie
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:23:08 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


>> I hope you and your children rot and burn for eternity.

> Being a Christian you should feel sorry that these people are going to 
> hell...
> Makes you them as bad as them, YES?
> Never mind, there is all hope for us all.
> Sorry for the invading, but I like to have my 10c worth.


You don't seriously believe that's worth 10c, do you?  On behalf of the 
Satanists in this group (no matter what specific school of thought they may
follow), I think it's safe to say that your "pity for our poor lost souls" is 
about the LAST thing we want.

Just to show there's no hard feelings, here's a nice little joke to tell your
kids at Sunday school...

	God is sittin' around in his office one fine day when he calls in Jesus
and Saint Peter.  As he sat scrattching his head, wondering how long his new
hair weave would last, he looks down on Earth, frowns and says, "Ya know Jees,
Pete... I was thinkin'.  Things are pretty fucked up down there, why don't you
two go on down there and see if ya can't help 'em out or somethin'."  To which
Jees and Pete say, "Aw, do I have to dad?" and "Yeah, whatever boss."
	Anyways, Jesus and Saint Peter find themselves on Venice Beach dressed
in their Armani flowing white robes.  To their dissappointment, they find that 
they don't look that unusual compared to everyone else.  Jees finally asks,
"What shall we do to get their attention?"  Pete shrugs and says, "Damned if I
know... Oh wait, do that walkin' on water gig of yours, that always floors
'em."  Jesus then walks out on to the pier, takes a step off and promptly 
sinks.  After flopping his way back to the shore, he says,"I don't get it. It
worked last time."  Pete advises him to try again, which he does to the same
effect.  As Jesus sits there on the sand, wet and more than a bit pissed off,
Pete says, "Oh I know, last time you didn't have those holes in your feet."
From: brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: No More Christian BS!
Date: 7 Apr 1992 14:03:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: satanism

>Let's try to keep the discussion to Satanism.  Not Christianity.

Well put.  But what in particular shall we discuss?
From: rps5646@usl.edu (Sasser Richard P)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Some points...
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:43:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr8.194355.16973
Distribution: alt.satanism
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana



   A lot of people are noting that it isn't the label of the belief, but the
belief that is important.  I applaud.  However, I cannot understand why
'Satanists' have chosen a word describing their religion with such a high,
I believe the the phrase is, negative index.  My presupposition of what a
satanist is has been destroyed by the discussions in this news group
.  It seems that you are being persecuted for a label that to a truly
intelligent person has no meaning.  I find this to be somewhat masochistic.
I'm not bashing anyone, just making a point.

Oh, and I read that Lucifer means 'Light-Bringer' somewhere,  I find this to
be too close to Promethues to be a coincidence, in fact wrote a research paper
on it a long time ago.  In any case, I would appreciate comments on this.

Back to labels.  Why do people need labels?  I simply follow my heart, call it
nothing and do what I want.  Most people may not agree, but they respect that
as most of my beliefs happen to coincide with some christian beliefs.
I think people label things so that they will have power over them.
Needless to say these labels cause a hell (no pun intended) of a lot of
problems, so why not simply dispense with them.

			Alchemist
			rps5646@usl.edu
			I will reject any attempts to label my beliefs
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: u2427@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Christian Jokes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:22:22 GMT

How many Christians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?  

One, but they're really three.

-- 
        Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche.
                      hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
                      C++ forever, P*scal never!

Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.judaism,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: swehmeye@dante.helios.nd.edu (stephen wehmeyer)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising Satanic children)
Reply-To: swehmeye@dante.helios.nd.edu (stephen wehmeyer)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:52:19 GMT

In article <7APR199202080231@rosie.uh.edu>, cosc143u@rosie.uh.edu (91F9774) writes:
|> In article <joshua.702610548@coombs>, joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes...
|> >n9146269@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings) writes:
|> > 
|> >>What most people associate with Satanism is, well alot of bullshit...
|> >> (Oh mighty bandwidth: Take this sacrifice of extraneous message)
|> >and when the romans destroyed that (as part of their suppression 
|> >of the rebellion of the late 60's AD) there was no religiously
|> >acceptable place left to perform these sacrifices. modern jews
|> >who wish to rebuild the temple in jerusalem (admittedly a rather 
|> >loony bunch) will tell you that when the temple is rebuilt they
|> >will reinstitute the traditional system.
|> > 
|> Perhaps others would have the specific references but I've seen on TV a 
|> few times that they have the goats ready to go.  Seems to me like it was 
|> a specific breed too.  Isn't rebuilding the Temple supposed to be one of 
|> the things that has to happen before the world can end? (side note...)
|> ---
|> Stephen McLeod       Not particularly religious.
|> The Eternal Student

Go away.  Now. 


Yi Yallah!
Jabberwock
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown)
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Keywords: Twit, idiot, fool, moron, turkey, illiterate, bozo, mutton-head
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:56:58 GMT

Let's all hear it for coherent, well-thought-out arguments presented
in a literate, convincing fashion.

Jeremy


Newsgroups: alt.satanism