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From: dchan@Ingres.COM (Doug Chan)
Subject: Cute things they say and ?? about timeouts
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:07 GMT

greetings,

Sarah (2.4 yrs) said and did a couple of things recently that I needed some
feedback on:

First the cute stuff...
   On the way to the grocery store, Sarah asked mommy where we were going and
   mommy replied "we're going to Safeway...", to which Sarah said ,"but I
   wanna go That way!!".

   Then while at grocery store, we're walking past the cookie/snacks section,
   Sarah says: "I want some chocolate. I want some cookies. I want some
   Chocolate Cookies!!".

Now for the question:  We use timeouts with Sarah, usually with good success,
but this last time got me a bit confused.  I can't even remember the behavior
that resulted in a timeout, but while in the corner, Sarah started wailing
away, crying her eyes out.  I had blocked her way out of the corner and Sarah
was climbing all over me trying to get out.  Usually she will stand in the 
corner, sometimes will cry but has never struggled to get away.  

I just knelt there directly in her way and kept saying that "daddy loves you,
but you can't leave until you calm down."  We would hug each other, but the
wailing continued.  Twenty minutes later, yeah I timed it, she finally slowed
to a controlled sob, and managed to calm down enough to say sorry.  We left the
corner, got a drink of water and continued playing.

Did I do the right thing??  I mean, I was thinking that as Sarah was wailing
away, she had already forgotten the reason for the timeout, it this true??   
What would net.wisdom have done??

doug

From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:54:29 GMT
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My kids love Barney.  I personally can't stand Barney, and am glad
to see him go.  But since my daughter is so disappointed that Barney 
isn't on any more that we're writing a letter to PBS about it.  My 
daughter is pretty impressed by the fact that we can express our 
opinion to the tv gods.

Jane Marcus
From: danny@iex.UUCP (Danny Shaw)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:50:01 GMT
Organization: IEX Corporation

I am not usually one to voice an opinion, but I must state that
at the age of 4 a child has no concept of what she/he may want
to do for the rest of their life. Do they really know that they
have another 70+ years ahead of them? And to ban a Walt Disney
movie on the basis that Ariel only wants to 'play' is crazy.
I feel that many parents don't allow their children enough
time to be children. I think that a child should be given the
chance to choose what he/she wants to do in life as long as it
doesn't endanger others. If you want her to be a doctor thats
fine, but don't push her. Thats a sure way of making her not
want to be one. Take it easy she's only 4.

$.02
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From: sietsma@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jocelyn Sietsma Penington)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fundal massage (was Re: Easy birth story)
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:01:47 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1992Sep25.153024.29694@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>  Okay, when this thread started I assumed that since I had a c-section
>  that they didn't do the massage.  I really don't remember anyone
>  doing this to me, maybe I slept through it.  But if it hurts that
>  much I doubt it.  Is there anyone else out there that doesn't
>  remember having this done?

This was definitely not done to me after a delivery in Melbourne, Australia
last year.  In fact I had never heard of it before this conversation started-
absolutely no mention of the possibility from the obstetrician, the ante-natal
class physios or the book I was reading (Kitzinger).  

I get the impression that american medicine is much more "interventionist" about
pregnancy and labour than in this country, so maybe this is unique to you.  Is
it a very new practice?

Jocelyn
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From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: CA Family Leave Act
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:22:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Thanks
ann

ann@alumni.caltech.edu 

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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Car Seats (no, not a FAQ, I don't think!)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:55:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.175242.15010@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
>
>2.  I hear everywhere: "not every seat fits every child so bring the child
>to pick out the seat," Sorry, can't do that. How do you pick out a seat for
>a baby that's not born yet, since you have to have it before you go to the
>hospital? Is there a particular brand that people have found is more
>accomodating to differently sized/shaped children?

Dont forget to also make sur ethe car seat fits the car. Anyway, my son was a
hard to fit child because of his broad shoulders. The person at the baby store
suggested Ultara (Evenflo) as the car seat that fits the most shapes. Century
and Gerry were both a bit to narrow for him.

They now make a 5pt harness, but didnt when I was looking. If they had it then,
I would have bought it (I got the shield type). Many of the 5-pt harnesses,
have the strap adjustment in the back, which is why it is so much harder. The
Ultara has it in the front, just like their other seats. I have heard that
5-pt is the safest as long as it is used correctly. Since some are rather
hard to adjust people will often skip that step when dealing with slight
changes (like taking off a layer of clothes), and therefore loose their
safety advantage.

Laura Floom
>
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From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: maternity clothes...where to buy cheap...when...and what...
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:08:35 GMT

In article <3317@isgtec.isgtec.com>, mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
> 
> Also, see if you can find nice maternity lingerie.  My wife has
> actually thought of designing her own line of maternity nighgowns,
> suitable for stores like Victoria's Secret -- thus far she hasn't
> been able to find anything for the pregnant woman that didn't 
> involve yards and yards of flannel.  Does anyone else know of this
> sort of thing?

I was able to get a lot of mileage, even when hugely pregnant,
with those Indian cotton gauze gowns (with yoke neckline or
Empire waist).  They're very voluminous,
so they adapt well to the growing belly.  Yet they're sheer
enough to be sexy -- but not TOO sheer.  And they're still
nice to wear when not  pregnant.

I didn't really care for maternity/nursing gowns during the
actual post-birth nursing phase, because the slits were
usually too small and inconveniently placed.  I ended up
using nightgowns that buttoned up front, or had elasticized
necklines.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
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From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks (Pool Safety)
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:39:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Sep30.213929.14015
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <2288@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>
>I am the outgoing sort.  What I would do in this situation is when
>that neighbor is not home, go over and check out what it would take
>to fix the latch.  Then, I'd go to the hardware store and get what
>I need.  Then, when that neighbor is not home, go over and fix that
>latch.  (My assumption is that for less than 20 dollars and 1 hour,
>this could be fixed).  I'd leave a very friendly note such as
>"The good neighbor elf has just helped you to make your pool safe
>and private for you and all the surrounding children."
>
>I can't imagine that anyone would mind having something fixed if it
>was done properly.  My peace of mind would be worth the effort and
>expense.
>
I would mind.  If you were to do that to me, I would probably inform
you that I didn't want you on my property when I wasn't home in the
future, and that if it happened again, I would consider it trespassing.

If you consider it such a nice thing to do, why sneak around while the
neighbor is gone?  If you don't think they'd mind, why not do it while
they are home?

If you think they wouldn't know who did it, all I can say is that it
would make it even worse for me.  I would feel I was being watched,
and that my privacy had been invaded.  I would also feel that regardless
of my own priorities, that someone was intending to assure that I 
toed the neighborhood party line, and was going to do whatever was
required to make that happen.

I think there's a big difference between asking if you can fix my
fence in a friendly manner, and simply forcing me to have the repair
made, whether or not I want it made.  I consider the first the act
of a friendly neighbor.  I consider the last to be the act of a
meddling busybody.
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From: davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep17.215107.21585@novell.com> mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
>In article <56ynh=k.esprit@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>>
>>While on the subject of names -  I came across these and many more
>>unusual names while working as a stock transfer agent a few years
>>back (unfortunately I can't remember all of them). These are actual
>>names since aliases can't own stock without a lot of problems.
>>
>>	Benja Arm
>>	Hugh Fluck (think of last name first 8-)
>>
>
>There is a top rated race car driver named:                     
>
>     Dick Trickle
>
>     %/
>
>     I almost fell off the sofa when the announcer said "and it's Dick
>     Trickle running in third place!" you have to wonder how he kept
>     from cracking up.  You have to respect the guy for not insisting
>     on being called "Richard".
>
The football coaching position in Monroe, Oregon was held for many years
by a man named Richard Head.  He insisted on Richard.  Didn't get it too
often, though.
DJ


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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:20:36 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

|In article <1992Oct6.004531.28782@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
|>>	Drug dependancy!!!!
|>
|>Yeah, right.  If the condition returns when you quit the drug,
|>you are "dependant" on it.  Horrors.

|	No.  You're dependant on it when, like our neighbors kid,
|	the kid actually approaches an adult telling them it's
|	time for a pill.  It's a habit of life.  "Pill time!"

|	"MEDICATION TIME"

Just like children with diabetes or epilepsy behave when they know
it's time for their injection or pill.

(And probably like many well-adjusted and healthy people you know -
though not yourself of course(*) - who start their day each morning with
"Coffee time!".)

|>...and diabetics shouldn't get started on insulin either, right?

|	They will die without it!  Sheesh!

Yes, and epileptics will have seizures without theirs and ADD children
will have their problems without their Ritalin.  The only difference
is that ADD is not life-threatening like diabetes nor as startling as
epilepsy.

|	Stop comparing apples & oranges.

No, he's comparing macintosh and delicious.  You, when you talk about
drinking motor oil, are comparing apples and oranges.

	/JBL

(*)I realize this parentetical comment can be misread.  I am not
   attempting to imply anything about your state of adjustment or
   health, rather about whether I think you might be dependent on
   coffee.
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:19:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.153254.9955@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:

>In article <ceoN1dC00iUy01FGJz@andrew.cmu.edu> lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis) writes:
>>
>>I sent a personal reply to Mary Jane (the original poster) singing the
>>praises of my adopted town, Pittsburgh, PA, which has been rated in the
>>top 10 cities for the past 5 years or so, and she asked me for the
>>source, as well as the current list.
>>
>>I don't have the source handy (we usually learn the rating from the
>>local media, when they are posted), but the source is Rand-McNally's
>>"Places Rated Almanac".  I think it's published every 3-5 years, with
>>updated rankings.  The latest edition would have the current rankings. 
>>If I get a chance to check our on-line library, I'll see what I can find.
>>

>within the last 2-3 years Parenting Magazine had an article about the 10 best
>cities for families. Sorry I dont know which issue.

>Laura Floom

February 1991 Working Mother had an article "15 Best Cities for Child Care".
Can't help you on the Parenting magazine article, though.

- Cindy Windham
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Experiments
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:51:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: stsci.1992Oct5.145108.1
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

>> ..........................  I'm looking for some more "physical science"
>> type experiments, appropriate for a 5 yo, which can be done without special 
>> equipment.  (e.g. candle in jar to show oxygen) 
>> 
>>  

Here is one that my 5th-grader had to do for homework, but it's really very
easy.  It demonstrates the principle that "hot air rises".

You need:
	a small balloon (inflate it a few times to loosen it up)
	an empty bottle, e.g. 16 oz soda bottle
	a bowl of hot tap water
	a bowl of ice water

Put the deflated balloon over the mouth of the soda bottle.  Put the soda
bottle into the hot water.  After a few seconds, the balloon will straighten
up and inflate a little.  Then put the soda bottle into the ice water.
The balloon will shrink and go limp again.  The kids liked to do this
over and over.

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Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.legal
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Attractive Nuisance, was...Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.204225.5479@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.191951.16634@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>An element of judgement must be used here, as someone who left poisoned
>>candy bars by the sidewalk in their front yard is clearly culpable.
>>But I for one have a very hard time implicating pool owners when 
>>children trespass and drown.
>
>I guess that's the heart of the matter. I consider an unsecured pool to
>have a lot in common with poisoned candy bars on the sidewalk. You
>don't. Society does (hence the doctrine of "attractive nuisance").

Why?  The access to the "unsecured" (or in many cases secured) pool
required a deliberate act of trespass.  The pool is not on public
property and may even be well removed from adjacent streets, neighbor's
property, etc.

>I'm sorry you don't accept the decision of me and society. You will
>be bound by society's decision, however.

Maybe that's one of the things wrong (as I see it) with today's
society....no one is willing to take the responsibility for their
own actions (or inaction as parents).  Too often, I think, the jury
verdicts hinge less on what was rational and more on what seemed
the emotional thing to do.  ie. Pity the poor parents of little
Johnny who drowned (even though he had no permission to trespass
and use the pool), let's compensate the parents since anyone with a pool
probably has insurance anyway.

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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:40:26 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep30.083928.1@amherst.edu> njamal@amherst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.010657.9020@jetsun.weitek.COM>, nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep29.113043.1@amherst.edu> njamal@amherst.edu writes:
>> 
>>>This is simply not true.  Female circumsision is NOT a Muslim practice.
>>>It is not practices in the Muslim Arab world and in parts of Africa where
>>>it is practiced (e.g., Ethiopia and Eritrea in East Africa), it is
>>>practiced by the Christian population!
 
>> Njamal, what country do you come from. Malaysian and Egyptian Muslims do 
>> practice it. Iranians and Afghanis don't (to the best of my knowledge).
>> I believe it is widespread in Saudi, but unheard of in Lebanon.
 
>I was born in Egypt, grew up in Lebanon and am a Palestinian.  Malaysa
>is not an Arab country.  Iran and Afghanistan are also not Arab countries.
>These three are Muslim but not Arab.  My point was that female 
>circumcision is not a MUSLIM practice per se.  There are many Muslim 
>cultures that do not practice it (e.g., the Arab world as a whole).  
>(By the way, do you have any proof that it is practiced in Egypt?

See Elf's post. Especially the personal accounts and the UN documentation.

>In Saudi Arabia?)  And there and some cultures (e.g., Ethiopia and 
>Eritrea) where it is practiced by (in this case, Coptic) Christians.  

Yes, in Saudi. I have female friends from Saudi who have had their
clitoris's removed wholly or in part. Also see the UN docs.
 
-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 16:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

Just for another easy birth story for all of you nervous first timers...

I just got a call from the husband of a friend of mine who related their 
labor story.  At about 5pm, my friend's water broke.  Her doctor told her she 
had to come into the hospital right away (not really true, but I won't argue 
that here).  When she came in, they hooked her up to a continuous electronic 
fetal monitor, confining her to bed.  They told her that she was having some 
really good contractions, but she didn't believe them because she didn't feel 
them.

At about 9pm she started having nastier contractions, but she could still 
handle them.  At 9:30 they got really bad, and she was disheartened when at 
10:00 the nurses told her she was only at 4cm and the doctor told her that 
she would be induced if she didn't have the baby soon so they could make sure 
she had it within 24 hours of the water's breaking (IMO, not a cool thing to 
say to a laboring woman who already is probably nervous...).  But it didn't 
become an issue.

10:10 she had a 5 minute long contraction.  10:15, at the end of the 
contraction, she said "push now".  The nurses didn't believe her.  The father 
told them they'd better get the doctor right now since this was her second 
baby and she knew what she was talking about.  10:20, a 7lb 1oz baby boy was 
born.  Mother and baby are doing fine.  No episiotomy (as if they'd had 
time), no tearing, no interventions except for the continuous monitor.

This woman's first labor was 2 hours from the time she felt contractions to 
the birth of her daughter.

Just goes to show you, you never know.  Labor can run the gauntlet.  Good 
luck to everyone who is now planning their labors!


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From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: table corner guards??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:52:00 GMT

>> In article <1992Oct1.013029.5449@Princeton.EDU>
>> smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sara Maxwell) writes:>  
>> >
>> >I have heard that they make some sort of cover or guard that you can put
>> >on sharp table corners etc so little toddlers do not whap their heads.
>> >What are these things called?  Does anyone know where
> 
We had some flexible North American ones, supposedly held with 2-sided sticky
tape, and some 3/4 spherical British ones, that looked much nicer, held
with Sticky Fixers. Some are still on. Apart from that, we retired a coffee 
table that had (I think) a grand total of 12 right-angle corners (4 of them
metal-bound) and 4 right-angled edges, and got a new one that has bevelled
edges (about 3/8" radius). The flexible ones I've seen lots of places;
department stores, hardware stores... 

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 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child
Organization: NDA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:13:38 GMT

Here is a press release from the Children's Defense Fund
 
 CDF Issues Report to U.N. as U.S. Refuses to Ratify International
Child Protection Treaty
 To: National Desk
 Contact: Stella Ogata, 202-662-3609, or James D. Weill, 202-662-3561
          both of the Children's Defense Fund

   WASHINGTON, Sept. 30 -- The Children's Defense Fund (CDF) 
is urging the United States to part company with those
nations, most notably Cambodia, Iraq, Libya, and South Africa, that
still refuse to sign or ratify the U.N. Convention on the Rights of
the Child.
   Saying that the United States, like other nations, must be
accountable for its treatment of children, CDF itself is reporting to
the United Nations and the American public on behalf of America's
children, since the U.S. government will not be producing the report
now due from countries that have ratified the convention.  The CDF
report, "America's Children Falling Behind: The United States and
the Convention on the Rights of the Child," compares U.S. performance
to the convention's standards in 11 areas, including health, abuse,
and neglect, children's standard of living, child labor and juvenile
justice.
    ------
   Press copies of the report are available.  Also, report author
James D. Weill is available for interviews and background
briefings.  Please direct all requests to Stella Ogata at
202-662-3609.
   The Children's Defense Fund is a private nonprofit organization
that exists to provide a voice for the children of America who
cannot vote, lobby, or speak for themselves.
 -30-

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