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From: sean@cobra.dra.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Job ad from Computerworld - want SSN/drug test
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:50:39 CST
Organization: Data Research Associates, Inc.

In article <1jlqk3INNeqg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:
> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>> SSNs are dangerous things.
>  
>> With a name and SSN, I can find out a whole lot about you really fast.
>> I can find out where you live, where you have lived in the past, I can
>> check your entire credit history, find out your criminal records, down to
>> the tiniest traffic violations, etc. etc.
>  
> QUESTION:  HOW?

Companies such as Information America make their business selling this
information.  Other than the credit history, all the other information
can be obtained legally by anyone. For some states the information can
be searched on-line.  Other states you need to put in a request, and
they'll get you the information in 1-2 business days.

Criminal and arrest records come from public records.  Your name, address,
and SSN come from so-called "credit extract" files.  These are files
that don't include the credit history part of your credit report, therefore
their distribution isn't restricted.  Change of address records come
from tapes the post offices distribute containing the records of all the
change of address cards people file when they move.

And so on...
-- 
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:27:55 GMT

In article <1jr0d0INNcil@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:
>
>sean@cobra.dra.com (Sean Donelan) informatively enlightens us:
> 

[ some text about inspectors from New York going to New Jersey deleted ]

>> They then sent the owners of those cars letters demanding
>> that they pay New York Sales (or Use) Tax on anything they
>> purchased in New Jersey and brought back to New York State.
> 
>Sounds like the govt. is spending dollars to find dimes, as if
>it has never happened before now.  It sounds like a waste of
>time and effort, really.

Nothing's a time or effort waster when Gov. Mario (Big Bucks) Cuomo
wants to nickle and dime the taxpayers.  This was his idea even though
brought about through the Deparatment of Taxation and Finance.

He even wants parents of newborns to pay for genetic testing for
illnesses at $17 per child.  Right now the state picks this up, but
he wants the hospitals to pay the cost and pass that on.

Before anyone goes into orbit about this; the genetic testing is
for serious illnesses that lay dormant for many years and then
erupt causing the parents untold grief.  This is standard in all
hospitals in New York, the capital of pickpocket politicians.

Dave
-- 
Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:31:19 -0500 
From: David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ~~~~~Will work for food - NOT!

As opposed to a guy in Michigan (Detroit area) who said, in response to
my offering a dollar from my car:

"I don't want your money, I want a job.  Know where I can get one?"

David Hunt
bluelobster+@cmu.edu
From: cd382@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:29:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd382@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mcover@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Coverdill) says:

>
>Somebody may have mentioned it before but here is my method for
>avoiding unwanted calls. Get *two* phone lines.
>
>Put an answering machine on the first line. This number will get
>published in the telco book. Use it to call business's, etc that can
>get your number anyway just by looking in the book or using ANI. Turn
>off the ringer if you want. Call screen if you like.
>
>Give out the second line's number to family and friends. It will not
>be published in the telco book unless you specifically request it. If
>it rings you will *probably* know it is someone you want to talk to.
>If it isn't you can really get upset and find out how they got your
>number. If you don't answer than the calling party can assume you are
>*really* not home.
>
>This may be a bit more expensive solution (but you have to pay for Caller
>ID too) but I tend to tie up the phone line for many *hours* on the
>modem (telemarketers hate busy signals, he he). I use the first line
>and my wife can talk to family and friends on the second line. Also I
>don't have to pay for call waiting and such. It is worth it to avoid
>unwanted calls.
>
>-- 
>Mark Coverdill                                 The Ohio State University
>Internet: markc+@osu.edu                              Columbus, Ohio
>

I like your idea.  It's even better than an idea I sent to my phone
company because it requires no modification to the caller id system
already in place.  My idea was that the phone company allow me to
request a second phone number without giving me a second line.  The
second number would be the one Caller ID identifies me by and that's
all it would be good for.  No incomming calls would work.  Law enforcement
agencies would have access to phone company records so obscene calls
could be traced.  My friends and favorite business would soon figure out
what my ID number is.  But I could call people without having my
primary phone number automatically given out.

To those who object that there aren't enough phone numbers available,
please note that the ID number need not be in a real area code.  The could
add 50 to the area code, keep the exchange, and use a different last four
digits from my primary number.  This way anybody knows what approximately
where I am which is useful for assigning me to the salesman for my state 
or for knowing which phone company to deliver the search warrent to.

This would give privacy to all who want it, while also allowing the
advantages of non-blocked caller-id.  I think the political reasons
for doing it this way outweigh the technical difficulties.

Jim Walker



Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: ron@vicorp.com (Ron Peterson)
Subject: Declassified secrets-how find out?
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:44:59 GMT


How does one find out what has recently been declassified by the
military?  Is there a list of documents published by the government?
Do you have to ask for the documents throught the Freedom of Information
Act (FOIA)?

Also, does asking for info through the FoIA tend to draw attention to
yourself?  I ask because I have an idea that would involve requesting
large amounts of info but I don't want to become the subject of an
investigation because of it.  I've heard you have to request specific
documents.  How do you find out the titles of documents of interest?

ron@vicorp.com or uunet!vicorp!ron

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From: mgreeny@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David S. Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.drugs,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Job ad from Computerworld - want SSN/drug test
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:14:04 -0600
Organization: Greeny's Bar & Grill
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:

>I saw the included ad in Computerworld January 18, 1993, page
>85 - the Computer Careers section.  They want your SSN before
>they even talk to you.  What for?

>There is the other issue of drug testing...


Whoopps, hit the send key too quick.... How about sending a urine sample
in the mail,with a note stating that you thought you'd be helpful and
provide a sample ahead of time *grin*  Of course, such a sample should
be well insulated against breakage in transit, and shouldn't be sent in
a glass container... also, the box should be insulate against any of it
leaking out -- don't want to endanger our friendly US Snailman...

>    - David Horvath

>- - - - - - - - - - Begin Included Text - - - - - - - - - - - -
>*Senior Systems Analyst (UNIX)*
>The district seeks a person for this position who has a Bachelor's
>Degree in Computer Science and at least 2 years experience in UNIX
>on Sun workstations, including 2 years systems tuning and system
>administration.  Experience on DEC Ultrix is a plus.
>...

>The District offers competitive salaries, excellent benefits, and a
>smoke-free work environment.  After March 1, 1993, all new hires
>will be required to successfully complete a preplacepment drug test.
>For consideration, send your resume, INCLUDING YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY
>NUMBER, to:

>Human Resources Division, Re: CWLS3043, *SOUTH FLORIDA WATER
>MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, 3301  Gun Club Road, West Palm Beach, FL,
>33416

>Equal Opportunity Employer

>- - - - - - - - - - End Included Text - - - - - - - - - - - -

>OBInfo: Text in *'s bold, text ALL CAPS were all caps in ad.
>        Any spelling mistakes were mine.
>OBDisclaimer: I don't work for them or Computerworld, I just
>        check out the ads.  I wouldn't work for SFWMD.
-- 
Microcomputer Support Specialist, Student Residential Programs
Western Illinois University, Macomb, IL  61455
Internet: mgreeny@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (preferred) GEnie: GREENY (once a month)
AOL: GREENY1@AOL.COM (really infrequently....use the internet!)
From: cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:51:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
 
> The reasoning is that the holder of the 800 number is paying
> the bill, therefore is entitled to know where the call came
> from.  The same is true if you accept a collect call.  That
> number shows up on your monthly bill.
 
I just dialed '0' and asked about this.  The above, the operator
told me, is correct.  But if a person calls *from* your unlisted
phone using his calling card, his bill will not show your phone
number as the number from which the call originated.  Instead,
there will appear some sort of encrypted code in case there is
a billing problem.  By the way, the operator could be wrong.
Chances are that the operators with more seniority don't
get stuck on graveyard.  And I called her at about 2:30 AM.
(Good thing I didn't call her at home.  But then again, if I
were a telemarketer, I wouldn't care.)
 
See ya,
 
John
From: kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Peter Kaplan -Yodh)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Why People use SSN's on DL's.  Other Info
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:44:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

In article <57684@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> draut@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (John Draut) writes:
>Someone asked why keeping your SSN private is such a big deal.   
>Well last week I wired $40,000 from my bank to a title company and all I needed
>was a phone call to my bank with the account number and guess what...my SSN. 
>And voila!  $40k instantly transported from my account.
>

Well, my bank has a slightly different tact.  Customer service demands
your account number and the date and amount of a recent deposit.  So,
before taking advantage of me, someone will have to put at least a little
bit of money in my account.

If you act flustered and can't remember exact amounts, they will accept
your SSN and home address instead.

I sleep well at night.

--Peter (kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu)
From: cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Job ad from Computerworld - want SSN/drug test
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:32:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
 
 
> SSNs are dangerous things.
 
> With a name and SSN, I can find out a whole lot about you really fast.
> I can find out where you live, where you have lived in the past, I can
> check your entire credit history, find out your criminal records, down to
> the tiniest traffic violations, etc. etc.
 
QUESTION:  HOW?
 
.... John
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: Dave Banisar (Banisar@washofc.cpsr.org)
Subject: Request to Post Office on Selling of Personal Information
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A786082BD602AC7E@taft.eff.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:23:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:25:10 GMT


   In May 1992, the US Postal Service testified before the US House
of Representatives' Government Operations Subcommittee that National
Change of Address (NCOA) information filled out by each postal
patron who moves and files that move with the Post Office to have
their mail forwarded is sold to direct marketing firms without the
person's consent and without informing them of the disclosure. These
records are then used to target people who have recently moved and
by private detective agencies to trace people, among other uses.
There is no way, except by not filling out the NCOA form, to prevent
this disclosure.

   This letter is to request information on why your personal
information was disclosed  and what uses are being made of it.
Patrons who send in this letter are encouraged to also forward it
and any replies to their Congressional Representative and Senators.


Eligible requestors: Anyone who has filed a change of address notice
with the Postal Service within the last five years.



Records Officer 
US Postal Service 
Washington, DC 20260                    PRIVACY ACT REQUEST


Dear Sir/Madam:

	This is a request under the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 USC
552a). The Act requires the Postal Service, as a government agency,
to maintain an accounting of the date, nature, and purpose of each
disclosure of information about individuals. I request a copy of the
accounting of all disclosures made of address change and mail
forwarding information that I provided to the Postal Service. This
information is maintained in USPS System of Records 010.010.

	On or about (date), I filed a change of adress notice
requesting that my mail be forwarded from (old address) to (new
address). The name that I used on the change of address form was
(name).

	This request includes the accounting of all disclosures made
by the Postal Service, its contractors, and its licensees.

	I am making this request because I object to the Postal
Service's policy of disclosing this information without giving
indviduals an option to prevent release of this information. I want
to learn how my information has been disclosed and what uses have
been made of it. Please let the Postmaster General know that postal
patrons want to have a choice in how change of address information
is used.
	
	If there is a fee in excess of $5 for this
infomation, please notify me in advance. Thank you for consideration
of this request.


Sincerely,



CC: Your Congressional Representative
    US House of Representatives
    Washington, DC 20510

    Your Senators
    US Senate
    Washington, DC 20515
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
From: emd@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 12:43:19 PST
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Summary: Smart Ring?

palmer@icat.larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) writes:

> cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:
> 
> >Do you mean to say that telemarketers won't just dial in sequence every
> >number with a given prefix?  C'mon.  They can just dial sequentially until
> >the end of time.  If you told me just the name of the city in which you live
> 
> Precisely.  Many of my collegues have unlisted numbers, and they ALL still
> get annoying (dinner-time) telemarketing calls.  Solution?  Use the answering
> machine to screen calls.  Caller-Number ID won't work, since I'd still HAVE
> to pick up the phone if I didn't recognize the number, since it might be a
> friend calling from a service station needing a ride home 'cause of car
> trouble or something.  You never know where people you WANT to talk to are
> going to call FROM.
> 
> Better than the answering machine would be (free) boxes that don't even
> ring your phone unless the caller types in an access code.  Or, if you'd
> still like to let acquaintances call (say, to invite you to dinner), you
> could have the phone ring *differently* if the correct access code was typed
> in... then you can, at your whim, either pick up or not pick up (especially
> around 5:00p to 7:30p).
> 
> Just a thought.  Any boxes like this available NOW?  How much?
> 


Here in B.C., BC Tel offers"Smart Ring". You get another number as well as 
the main one, and when someone dials the secondary one, it has a distinctive 
ring to it. I suppose you could leave your answer machine on all the time, 
and only answer the calls with a distinctive ring, since you would only give 
out the special number to people who need it. You could ignore the rest, or 
let the answering machine get it. I'm not sure what the fee is for this 
service, but I'm sure there is one.


           emd@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:36:55 EST
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Uses of sigs

Man, do I feel naive.  I always signed my e-mail and postings with a sig.
file that included my postal address, a post office box that I never
received junk mail in because I never used it for other than business
purposes.  Anything I order I have sent to the house.

So this week I get a postcard from an anonymous "Usenet Pal." The message
said, "Include your address in your .signature...get a free postcard!"

Gee.  Wow.  It wasn't even a pretty postcard, and I can imagine I'll get
lots of other freebies--all junk.

Paula

-- Paula Ford | Internet: pxf3@psuvm.psu.edu | "Snaefridh"
 Den som har droemt Udfaerd og Daad senker ej Sejl uden med Sorg,
                                                      -- Bjoernson
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: gilbert@halcyon.com (John Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:32:55 GMT

In article <x2_s1lf@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>Actually Enhanced Caller*ID now becoming available in many areas DOES 
>transmit the name of the caller.  I like that feature.  I don't have
>to quickly search a list of numbers of people I'll take calls from
>while the phone rings away.

Does this transmit the name of the person *placing the call*, or the 
registerd name of the person subscribing to the originating device?

If we call from a pay phone, how do it know?

John

-- 
gilbert@halcyon.com - I've moved
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: peterson@CS.ColoState.EDU (james peterson)
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:41:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <TRSNYDER.93Jan22083545@vf0031.mcs.drexel.edu> trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder) writes:
>>>>>> "John" == John De Armond <jgd@dixie.com> writes:
>
>John> The only part missing is giving me the ability to automatically block
>John> incoming calls originating from caller*ID-blocked lines.  Given 
>John> that, we are in full agreement.  I currently implement that policy 
>John> administratively by observing the caller*ID box and not answering
>John> blocked calls.  What I really want is for the ringer to never actuate
>John> if the caller*ID is blocked.
>
>Look in Sears' big catalog.  They have a caller ID unit which will route all
>incoming blocked calls to a message stating that Blocked calls aren't accepted.
>Also has 50 number memory, does names if your telco supports it...  I haven't
>used it myself, but it looks quite nice, and at apx. $80, not too much
>different than what Bell Atlantic sold me my puny little display for. :-)
>

I have one of these Sear's units, only mine holds 92 numbers (and names,
times, and dates) in memory.  It has this "privacy block" feature (
which I leave turned on).  Problem is that the caller ID info is sent
between the first and second ring, therefore it will ring once before
routing to the "This party won't accept blocked calls" message.  I am
told the message is quite obnoxious-sounding (I haven't heard it myself) --
so much the better......

james sends

-- 
james lee peterson				peterson@CS.ColoState.edu
dept. of computer science                       
colorado state university		"Some ignorance is invincible."
ft. collins, colorado  (voice:303/491-7137; fax:303/491-6639)
From: tdarcos@digex.digex.com (Paul Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: IP#s of anon.penet.fi and pax.tpa.com.au
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:59:38 GMT
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) writes:
: In article <C0CJE7.FAE@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, reader@of.all.this wrote:
: > 
: > 
: > 	Could someone please post the IP#s of
: > anon.penet.fi and pax.tpa.com.au? My mail
: > resolver can't find them.
: > 
: > Thanks.
: 
: I'm batting 500.  I used nslookup and got one:
: 
: Non-authoritative answer:
: Name:    anon.penet.fi
: Address:  192.26.119.33
: 
: Because my nameserver labelled the answer as
: "non-authoritative" I then {/usr/etc/ping}ed them to
: confirm that it works.  My two echo packets *did*
: come back, so someone out there does respond.
: 
: For the other address you give,
: my nameserver could find nothing.  Try emailing to
: an Australian guru if you know anyone down there...
: 
: Matt Healy
: "I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab
:  net pretends to work!"
: 
: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu

The backbone operator in Australia got stuffy about someone running
secure, private, anonymous communications so they ordered it killed as
being unacceptable use of the network.  Now that, being the action of a
government agency, IS censorship.
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Organization: Hidden - I don't speak for them...
X-Stuff:      <This should be witty, but I'm too tired right now.>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:03:22 EST
From: David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Distribution: usa
 <1993Jan20.034800.2382@athena.mit.edu> <1jj134INN35j@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
 <1993Jan20.161638.581@netcom.com>

According to articles I read in comp.dcom.telecom, Caller ID applies within
local boundries (state or RBOC) and are regulated by state PUC's.

What happens with 1-800 numbers (and 1-900 also) is called ANI (Automatic
Number Identification (?)) and is not regulated by state PUC's, but by
the FCC.  The rationale used against privacy arguments is that the *payer*
for the phone call gets to know what they paid for.  The company you call
pays for your call (1-800), so they have a right to know who (what telephone
number) called.

1-900 numbers are slightly different - that's for billing purposes.

   - David Horvath
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