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From: quinlan@spsd630a.erim.org (Kevin Quinlan)
Subject: Re: IMSA vs. IndyCar
In-reply-to: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com's message of Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:27:52 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Date: 13 Nov 92 13:50:18

In article <1992Nov13.162752.29733@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter) writes:

>   >           Mid-Ohio
>   >         ------------
>   >IndyCar    1:08.766    Michael Andretti, Lola T92/00XB-Ford/Cosworth XB
>   >IMSA       1:09.856    Davy Jones, Jaguar XJR14
>
>   it was cooler at m/o when the indy cars were there. weather that would
>   have been a full 1+ secs worth I'm not sure....

Davy ran this time on a wet track. In fact in rained most of that weekend, 
including the race. Still, Davy's time broke the previous track record. 
Andretti had the advantage of near-perfect weather conditions... 

KQ
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From: petel+@cs.cmu.edu (Peter Lee)
Subject: Re: F1 myths: ABS and 'autogassing'
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:49:45 GMT


I really don't know about the effectiveness of ABS in F1, but in the latest
issue of OnTrack magazine that just appeared at my doorstep yesterday,
Nigel Mansell is quoted as saying (among many other things), "...and the
FW15 is going to have ABS..."

So, maybe we'll get to settle this little flame war on the track...

Peter Lee
School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890
From: s1072964@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (SHERLOCK)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: TV Coverage of Adelaide GP (was Re: TSN's "coverage" of Australian GP)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:43:27 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>Did anyone else think that the coverage of the race was a lot better
>than normal?

>Example : Where Schumacher was chasing someone (Hakkinen?). Lots of
>shots from Schumacher's camera. Switch to aerial shot to show the gap.
>Schumacher gets closer. Switch to in car shot. Show the second half of
>the pass from a conveniently placed camera on the corner where it
>happened.

>I just hope that they can export the producer. :-)

Yeah, even J.Stewart(sp?) said that the coverage in Australia is the best of
the whole circuit. I tend to agree, the Australian coverage is the best as far
as camera shots were concerned.

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From: PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Schumacher for 1993 champion?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:37:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

This is my first posting, so please bear with me.

How does everyone feel about next years world Champion?
I reckon it is gonna be Schumacher as:

1) Williams is now going to lose Mansell and thus ther motivation. With all the
   trouble this year over drivers, they will be in somewhat a dissarray.

2) McLaren don't have a decent engine for next year and no Senna.

3) Patrese is good, but I think Schumachers pace after 1 full year is going to
   improve to the point where not even Patrese will be able to keep up! As with
   Martin this year

4) A Benetton Ford V-12 an exciting prospect.!!

Well thats my opinion!
Chris.
From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Brain fade
Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:30:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry about being ignorant on othis but can someone please explain to me
what brain fade is?  Is it when a driver losses concenttration for a while?
-- 
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Date: 6 Nov 1992 02:43:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) says:

>ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) says:
>
>>>Last week, Wendlinger clocked 1:21.51 at Barcelona.  Today's daily
>>>newspaper says that Karl Wendlinger, driving the Sauber-Ilmor,
>>>clocked a new best of 1:20.04 at Barcelona.  Nigel Mansell's pole
>>>time at the GP in May was 1:20.19.
>>>
>
>
>>Doesn't Barcelona have a long straight?
>>Wasn't he using 93 tires?
>
>>Makes sense to me.
>
>	Yes, the Circuito de Catalunya has a fairly long straight. I can see
>that the new rules for '93 would allow for faster speeds along the straights
>but they also will make cornering speeds significantly slower. You say that
>it makes sense to you, in reference to teh new record set on '93 tires. The
>tires for '93 are going to be of a harder compound, making the traction ob-
>tainable from them less. Am I missing something here?

You may be missing alot but let's not get into that.

The Illmor engine is the most underated engine this year in F1.
If I were a team in F1, and I could not get a Honda V12, Renault V10,
or Cosworth series VII, then I certainly would vigorously consult
to get a Illmor V10.

Here's how I rate this year's engines:

1. Honda - not the lastest one, the one used from Silverstone - Hungary
2. Renault
3. Cosworth series VII
4. Illmor V-10

I wait to see what further improvements to the Illmor engine will
produce.
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:59:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92) (agwiii@fang.att.com) wrote:
: 
: If the combination of Luca, Niki, Doc and Gerry can`t
: get competitive, we may see the end of the team, or at least the end of the
: team as we've known it since 1947.  I hope not, but change is the only
: constant.

Ferrari have had dry spells before -- 1973 and 1980 come to mind. They've
always managed to bounce back and I don't doubt that they'll eventually be
back there or thereabouts. I don't think 93 will be the season that puts
them back on top, but maybe by 94 all the necessary ingredients wil be in
place...

Pete
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From: mc2@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Mike Cox 310-524-7792)
Subject: Nissan and PPG Indy Cars...
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:00:34 GMT

In todays Los Angeles Times (Nov 10), there is an article that states
Nissan will switch from IMSA GTP to Indy car racing. "No date has been
set for the Japanese manufacturer's debut on the PPG Indy car circuit,
but Nissan will not compete in the high-profile IMSA GTP series next
season in order to begin development of its Indy car. Geoff Brabham,
who won four GTP championships and has competed in eight Indy 500s,
will continue as the driver."

"This is a natural progression in the evolution of our successful
motorsports program," said Frank Honsowetz, motorsports manager for
the Nissan Motor Corp. "The increased exposure and visibility
associated with Indy car racing allows us to achieve a heightened
awareness for our company and products."

The new car will be designed, built and developed by Nissan Performance
Technology, Inc. Nissan will remain in GTS and GTU, and also announced
it will no longer field teams in the Mickey Thompson Off-Road Gran Prix
series or in desert off road racing.

(quoted without permission...)
            --Mike
michael.cox@torreypinesca.ncr.com
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From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Subject: Mansell -Senna - Adelaide
Organization: CRI, institute for telecommunication and computerservices.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 10:25:54 GMT

After watching the Australian GP twice and Hunt-Walker comments
J. Stewart called it a brain fade , i still dont know what to 
think on the Senna-Mansell shunt, My first reaction was Senna was
accelerating ? , when he made contact,  (he certainly did not
seem to be under brakes) He did not seem to be negotiating an overtaking
manouvre either , he hit him right up the backside...
Senna being Senna i can imagine him being so frustated he took Mansell 
out on purpose ....
b.t.w a local newspaper carried a quote on a Mansell interview 
" this is my last Grand Prix for ""1992"" "
From: gregb@netlink.cts.com (Greg Beron)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Nissan leaving IMSA GTP for IndyCar
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:35:00 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:

> hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg) writes:
> 
> >>
> >   Will they be merely sponsoring a team, or will Nissan build a chassis
> >and engine?
> 
>  	They will be building their own chassis and enigne, I would imagine.
> The GTP car was built in California by Nissan Performance Technology, Inc.
> with engines from Japan? (Can somebody expand on teh engine part?) Anyway,
> NPTI has is a fully modern facility, with their own composite shop and CAD
> stuff. They design the car there, and maybe even rebuild the engines. 
> 
Actually, the entire car (except for the Goodyears <g>) was built at the 
NPTI facility in Vista, CA.  I haven't been successful in wangling a 
tour, but according to Don Devendorf, it is the closest thing to an F1 
constructor's shop in the U.S.  They build the entire car, from design 
through windtunnel testing, in house.  The exception is the now-stillborn 
3.5 liter project.  The engine for that one came from Japan.

By the way, they already have an ex-Newman-Haas Lola 91-00.  It was used 
for testing the V-12 engine.

My prediction is that the car will be MUCH more successful than the 
Porsche IndyCar. (Of course, that wouldn't be hard, would it? :)
-Greg

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From: slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana)
Subject: open-wheel drag (Re: F1 Stuff)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:50:18 GMT
Summary: not just wings and undertrays

In article <rnq1vjh@rpi.edu>, parfrk@rs6418.ecs.rpi.edu (Karl Andrew Parfrey) writes:
> 
> |> generated. Straight line speed would be much greater without the drag
> |> created by the wing; it would also increase fuel economy. Back in the
> 
> I recall reading an interview of (then) Benneton designer Rory Byrne
> (speaking of the B188 or B189, I believe) in which he stated that
> a F1 car's c_d is "well over 1.0" (i.e. worse than a brick!)
> and that without the wings/undertray an F1 car would "easily do 300 mph".

I don't have any numerical data, but the tires are a big contributing
factor to the drag coefficient of any open wheeler.  They're pretty rough
(relative to nice, smooth, painted fiberglass) and they're right there
in the windstream.  I suspect that at speed it gets even worse: the top
half of a rolling tire is pushing into the wind, and I'd suspect the bottom
half going the right way isn't going to help much due to the ground. 
(Think about it - at 180 mph, the very top of the tire has a relative
speed of 360mph).

I'm not a physicist, so correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just common
sense reasoning.  I'd personally like to see some numbers comparing the
Cd's of the same car equipped with '92 tires vs '93 tires.  Actually, I'd
also like to see a Cd comparison between an Indy Car, a F1 car, and
either a WSC or IMSA GTP car.


Chuck Slana
AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville, IL
email: ..!att!ihlpm!slana
   or  slana@ihlpm.att.com



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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:06:05 GMT

In article <92311.085933JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jonathan Swaby
<JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I think the Ilmor will become one of the top engines. I don't
|> think it is one of the top 4. I would have the Mugen Honda V-10 on
|> that list. The engine is more reliable. Alboreto has finished more races
|> then anyone this year. The Ilmor was the reason why Tyrrell did not
|> score more points this year.

While I agree that the Ilmor could do with some more reliability,
I find it somewhat amusing that you compare Tyrrell-Ilmor and
Footwork-Mugen/Honda in order to conclude that the Mugen/Honda
is the better engine than the Ilmor:  Remember how well Tyrrell
fared
- with the Cosworth in 1990,
- with the Mugen/Honda in 1991,
- with the Ilmor in 1992?

On another note, the sports section in our daily paper had a short
article on Sauber -- including a picture of Wendlinger being pushed
out of the pits at the Montemelo circuit in Barcelona.  The article
mentions that Harvey Postlethwaite had designed the car, and that
he left Sauber.  It says that Leo Ress (who had been designing the
Group C cars) is now responsible for the Sauber C12.  No mention of
Steve Nichols (but I assume he is already working on the 1994 car).

Sauber is quoted as saying that some people seemed to be thinking
that they somehow faked the test results, but they thoroughly
checked the timing equipment and besides, Goodyear was there as
"impartial witnesses".  Sauber also said that they had used normal
racing tires (no qualifiers) and no special brew fuel.  Although
the article mentions room for improvement with the new Ilmor engine
which should be ready in March 1993, it says that Sauber is
encouraged by the test results but realistic as far as their chances
next season is concerned.  He says the first opportunity to compare
themselves with the competition will be the Estoril F1 tests scheduled
for the end of November.

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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Sport Salaries
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:22:07 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

>A list of top sport salaries for '92 was in this months Forbes, for your
>enjoyment I typed some of it in.
>
>Athlete              Sport           '92 Income

>Michael Jordan       Basketball       35.9 M
>Evander Holyfield    Boxing           28.0 M (1)
>Ayrton Senna         Auto Racing      22.0 M
>Nigel Mansell        Auto Racing      14.5 M
>Arnold Palmer        Golf             11.1 M
>Andre Agassi         Tennis           11.0 M
>Joe Montana          Football          9.5 M
>Jack Nicklaus        Golf              9.2 M
>Jim Courier          Tennis            9.0 M
>Monica Seles         Tennis            8.5 M

I saw most of this list over the weekend on a local BayArea news report (I 
would name them if I could remember which one).  They listed 1,2,5-10, but 
skiped our friends.  

Why?

If any locals can recall the channel, please post.  What's its all about
are the local broadcasters embarrassed they can't pronounce Ayrton or 
Mansell?

Dan Jones
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Movable wings and the 917 (Was: F1 Stuff)
Organization: American Solutions, Inc., Melbourne, Florida 32952
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:39:47 GMT

Dan Jones and Ricl Golen Wrote:
>>Besides the cars mentioned in another posting, another car which had
>>moveable aerodynamic devices was the Porsche 917 in its 1969(pre-

The most famous car with moveable aerodynamic devices was a version of
the famous Cyclops.  I don't remember the specific records, but the
Cyclops were quite impressive and had some significant events.
-- 
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From: matz@drutx.ATT.COM (MatzAD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: TV Broadcast Time For Australian F1
Keywords: TV Broadcast Time For Australian F1
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:22:01 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


Would someone please post or email the broadcast time (on ESPN) for the 
Autralian F1 Grand Prix race ?

Thank you !!!!

Dave Matz
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From: lls@kings.demon.co.uk (Lady Lodge Systems)
Subject: Re: Adelaide:Senna and Mansell
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.220217.7036@cc.uow.edu.au> ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds) writes:
>
>For those who watched the Walker/Hunt show, wasn't he great.
>For example,
>
>[Walker gaffs deleted]...

With so many GP's getting processional, Walkers gaffs are often the
highlights of the event! - I wish this was :-) 
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From: kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes @ Bell Labs)
Subject: Re: Mansell and Senna
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:57:11 GMT

From article <1992Nov10.083230.9401@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, by (Neale Type):
> 
> Either Senna's front brakes failed, or Senna made a MISTAKE!!!
> there is no way Mansell could be at fault, In an Interview Mansell did
> afterwards he said "Its up to the car behind not to go into the car in
> front" "I was all over Senna in Monaco, and he was breaktesting me all
> over the circuit in places you didn't normally brake, and I managed to
> avoid going into the back of him..."
> Mansell also said that Senna had said (phew) that his brakes were much
> better than the wiiliams's brakes... 

It sounds like what Mansel didn't say is more important than what he did
say.  I was quick to blame Senna too (and I still think he was following
a little close at a point that he had no chance to overtake), but on
further examination, it did look like Mansel either slowed too early or
slowed more than he had too.  I didn't hear Mansel say "I took that
corner exactly as I had every lap before and Senna just ran up the
back of me."  I think we can all remember when Patrese ran up the back
of Berger as he slowed to pit just how hard it is to react quickly when
someone in front of you does something you don't expect.  

If every driver left enough room to anticipate the unexpected, we would
have a parade and not a race.  I bet that would generate a lot of
flames here on the net about the current bunch of F1 whimps.   :-)

Kit Kimes
AT&T Bell Labs (under contract to NCR)
Naperville, IL
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From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: F1: Australian GP on TV
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:49:40 GMT

> 
> What is TSN and where can it be received???
> 

  TSN is a national all-sports cable TV station. It is the Canadian
equivalent of ESPN.
 
  I stand to be corrected but as far as I know TSN will be using the
BBC feed for its live coverage on Saturday night. This as a result
of ESPN not showing the race live. TSN did the same thing on a 
couple of other occasions this year and it's made me wish that
ESPN would tape-delay all of its F1 broadcasts. No offense intended 
to my friends down south, of course, but Murray and James are a 
Williams-Renault to Bob and David's Andrea Moda. 

  Sylvan Smyth.
From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Fridays Qual. at Adelaide
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:41:54 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


 From BBC CEEFAX

 Champion-elect Nigel Mansell broke the 
 track record three times to grab the   
 provisional pole for Sunday's          
 Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide.     
                                        
 He shaved 0.3 of a second off the      
 record set by Ayrton Senna in practice 
 for last year's race.                  
                                        
 Mansell also warned his rivals that he 
 felt he could have improved his best   
 time of 1m 13.732s (114.68mph) by a    
 further 0.2s.                          
                                        
 Senna was second-fastest, with         
 Mansell's team-mate Riccardo Patrese   
 in third spot.                         
                                        
 Nigel Mansell is set to go even faster 
 after claiming provisional pole for    
 Sunday's Australian Grand Prix.        
                                        
 Mansell, who broke the track record,   
 said: "I am happy to have done the     
 fastest lap but a bit surprised.       
                                        
 "I felt I could have gone quicker by   
 about two-tenths on my best lap."      
                                        
 Ayrton Senna, second fastest, said: "I 
 had no particular problems apart from a
 spin in the morning.                   
                                        
 "As usual it is tough to drive here.   
 You are always working hard."          


 FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP     
 AUSTRALIAN GP IN ADELAIDE:             
 Friday's official qualifying:          
                             mins secs  
 1 N Mansell    GB  Williams   1:13.732 
 2 A Senna      Brz Mclaren    1:14.202 
 3 R Patrese    It  Williams   1:14.370 
 4 G Berger     Aut McLaren    1:15.114 
 5 M Schumacher Ger Benetton   1:15.210 
 6 J Alesi      Fr  Ferrari    1:16.091 
 7 A de Cesaris It  Tyrrell    1:16.440 
 8 M Brundle    GB  Benetton   1:16.562 
 9 E Comas      Fr  Ligier     1:16.727 
10 M Hakkinen   Fin Lotus-Ford 1:16.863 
11 M Alboreto   It  Footwork   1:16.937 
12 J Herbert    GB  Lotus      1:16.944 
13 O Grouillard Fr  Tyrrell    1:17.037 
14 P Martini    It  Dallara    1:17.047 
15 S Modena     It  Jordan     1:17.331 
16 G Morbidelli It  Minardi    1:17.333 
17 C Fittipaldi Brz Minardi    1:17.367 
18 A Suzuki     Jpn Footwork   1:17.409 
19 N Larini     It  Ferrari    1:17.465 
20 M Gugelmin   Brz Jordan     1:17.805 
21 B Gachot     Bel Venturi    1:17.808 
22 T Boutsen    Bel Ligier     1:17.957 
23 JJ Lehto     Fin Dallara    1:18.565 
24 U Katayama   Jpn Venturi    1:18.862 
25 J Lammers    Hol March     13:10.720 
26 E Naspetti   It  March     14:23.313 
                                        

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