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From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: WildC.A.T.S
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:00:38 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>                    Recipe to Understanding Xmen Continuity

>        	Understanding X-men continuity is pretty simple.  
>INGREDIENTS:
>      	   	1       Sledgehammer
>               1	Shot Gun
>        	1 	Bazooka (or RPG)
>		2 quarts of White Paint
>		enough ammunition.
>		2 quarts of Lemonade 
>		(Optional:  Lots of Drugs)

>Pulverize all your X-comics with the Sledge, Apply Shotgun Brisquely.
>As smoke clears fire two shots of Bazooka and then apply the paint to whatever
>is left.  Then invoke the spirits in the smoke and drink lemonade til you
>are in a stupor...  Drugs are to be mixed in the Lemonade....
>The trick is to read the smoke lines....
>							wReam...
>P.S.  Enjoy, oh and kids don't try this at home!


        I tried this at home. This "wReam..." guy tells the truth!!!
        Of course, I may have missed the "true" continuity.

        All I had was "Purplesaurus Rex" Kool-Aid and some strange pills.
        They were little...yellow...different...

        Anyways, the wierdest thing was that Scott Lobdell was the writer...had
        to be a hallucination.

        It WASN'T?!?!?!?!? 

        AAAAUUUGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        I KNEW I should have just said "No".
From: lbonham@Osbu_South.Xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Predator vs. Magnus Questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:25:45 GMT
Organization: Xerox

Greetings,

Reading my most recent "Advance Comics" has generated some questions
wrt/ the DarkHorse/Valiant collaboration on Predator vs. Magnus Robot
Fighter. Namely...

Is BWS (BarryWindsorSmith) doing anything other than cover art?
Is JS (JimShooter) really associated with this?
  And if so, what are his current ties to Valiant?
    ie does he "own/co-own" characters?
    is he still on good terms with them (Valiant)?
Any ideas on whether we can expect any other Valiant characters
  to pop up in the DarkHorse universe?

I appreciate any info, as the stories behind the comix are sometimes
more entertaining/interesting than the books themselves.

Larry

Note: If I do any additional posting, I will try to come up with an
interesting signature and conform to the norm.
From: prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Steranko
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:19:46 GMT
Reply-To: prec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <EeZ6qU600WBLA6ApEW@andrew.cmu.edu> John Thomas <jt29+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone out there know what Jim Steranko is up to these days?  
>

Doesn't do comics anymore, other than an occasional cover-painting.
I'm pretty sure he is still the publisher of Mediascene Prevue magazine.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: gdg023@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Vicky Wayman)
Subject: Duality in Batman
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:25:13 GMT

Film fan desperately in need of your help.
Doing a research report on the duality of Batman, looking 
particularly at two face, Catwoman and the early years of Batmans youth.
Can anybody tell me about the idea of two face as Harvey, a comic book
history of how Batman and Catwoman came to be, good publications and how to get hol
hold of them, back copies or those willing to allow me to photocopy
 (paid of couse) any un purchasable issues.
 I heard there was a recent story on Two face  - any suggestions.
 Thanks for the help. I want to do the comics justice rather 
 than simply concentrate on the films.
-- 
 _         |      Vicky Wayman - gdg023@cck.cov.ac.uk
' )  /     |
 (  / o _. |
  \/ <_(__ |
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Punisher 2099
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:29:38 GMT

I didn't catch the artist on this book, but I believe that the writer did the 
UK version of the Punisher, teamed with O'Neill (not Denny, the guy who did the
Marshall Law art).  I might actually buy this, despite having not liked 
Punisher since shortly after his regular series started.
     Dave Van Domelen, "Everyone is immortal until they die." - Alan Scott
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From: michael@dime.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: question about War of the Gods
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: michael@dime.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Does anyone out there know the title and issue number for part 14 of
the 1991 DC War of the Gods crossover, and if so, could you please tell
me what it is?  Or, if someone has the complete checklist of all the
issues, I would very much appreciate if you could send it to me.

Alternatively, if you don't know the information I'm seeking, but think
you know where I could find out, I'd appreciate any pointers.  Would it
be worth it to send a letter to DC asking them?

Any information will be appreciated.


michael@cs.umass.edu
From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (plain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Spidey 2099
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bsw3Cu.2AB
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

(Long explanation of why spidey won't be web-slinging by his
anus in 2099 deleted)

>Remind me to never post another joke in this group again.


>                            R ****
>                             I
>                              C
>                          **** K	

Hey, I thought it was funny, and, ya know, maybe spidey '99 could
shoot webs from his butt, there are sweat glands their too, right?
;^) 

-Vincent
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!<--YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : )
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:28:26 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
: Scott, I'm going to start from the assumption that your post was more than an 
: extended flame-bait, an assumption that may not be warranted.

Yeah, good assumption! I just would like some discussion, and dangled
the bait... :)

:      Personally, I think that Lobdell's X-Men is an improvement over some of 
: the recent stuff.  

Like the Smother's Brothers say, that is not a compliment. He's still
a hack What The--?! writer to me. There's nothing bad about it, but
it's not outstanding either. 

: His scripting is in the same league/style with PAD, and more
: than makes up for any deficiencies his plotting may have.  

PAD gets old after a while ... (oops, he's reading this!) X-Factor
got really dull really fast -- maybe he left? I haven't read it in
ages.

: As for the art, I 
: think Raney is at least as good as Lee, as is Thibert.

My eye does not agree.

:)

I can't see anything redeeming in these characters.

:      Marvel and DC do have one major advantage over Image beside money and 
: distributors...an established continuity.  

In the hands of a skilled writer, this helps. In the hand of a What The--?!
rejext, this hurts :) It winds up being baggage, or a crutch for new
story lines. The Morlock Adventure, for example, dredges up the Morlocks
as an excuse for a story, and not much of one.

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Requiem for AQUAMAN
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:43:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.180413.23982@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>So, they're starting the title over with number one, huh?
>OF ALL THE DUMB, MORONIC, CRETINOUS--GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Aquaman is a good solid title on its way to being a great one!

...but sales figures are heading down the crapper with each issue.  Dealers
rarely increase orders in the middle of a run, barring some tremendous
fan-favorite event, and PAD isn't a big enough one.  A relaunch from #1 will
present the opportunity to increase orders.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Legion 92 Annual (WAS Re: ECLIPSO checklist)
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:58:25 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <BtBut9.Cu9@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>I can't remember his name but he pencilled the Legion 92
>Annual. I didnt buy it, just looked at it cause of the
>good front cover. What is his name and what other stuff
>(if any) has he done? His art was better than the 
>standard Superhero art!
>
>Jed

Mike McKone with John Dell on inks.  Oh yes, and it *IS* absolutely
stunning.  Just like last year's annual.

-- 
     /// A3000-25/52       * Scott Weintraub - Long Island, NY     *   In
    ///  DCTV (yeah!)      * e-mail: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org    *DreAms i
\\\///   HP Paintjet (yuck)*                                       *  WalK
 \\X/    USR Courier HST   * Letterman is the king of latenight!!! *WiTh yOu
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From: appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JSA cancellation [Was Re: DC Rumours!!!!!!!!!]
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:23:39
Organization: csua
Distribution: usa
	<APPEL.92Aug20235105@soda.xcf.Berkeley.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU's message of 20 Aug 92 23:51:05

In article <APPEL.92Aug20235105@soda.xcf.Berkeley.EDU> appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
->According to Len Strazewski, JSA has been cancelled not because of low
->sales [sales are apparently moderate to good], but rather because the people
->in charge of the DC superheroes [Archie Goodwin, Danny O' Neil and Mike Carlin]
->have decided that it does not match the "new image" of DC comics.  Between
->this, and the stories of an upcoming DC/Image crossover, it sounds like it
->has been decided that DC is going to try and compete directly with Image
->and Marvel, in their juvenile superhero genre, rather than continuing to
->put out relatively mature comics, like DC comics has for some time.
->
->I sent a letter to DC yesterday [specifically to the above three group editors]
->saying that there were making a grave mistake, specifically in cancelling a
->comic that was actually making money [JSA], but even more generally in
->abandoning those readers.  I might suggest others do likewise.

BTW, if you do want to drop them a letter, the address is:

Mike Carlin
Denny O'Neil
Archie Goodwin
1325 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10019

They can also be reached via MCIMAIL.

Shannon
  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Youngblood #2
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 04:17:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Niw0oB2w165w@heroes.UUCP> dg@heroes.UUCP (Dark Ghost) writes:
>trevor@Software.Mitel.COM (Trevor Davis) writes:
>
>> After reading Youngblood #2 there is no doubt in my
>> mind that Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic book
>> writer ever!
>> 
>> 					Trevor
>> 
>> 
>
>
>        Obviously Trevor, you are illiterate.  

Hmph.  One does not need to be literate to look at pictures.

I think this was a joke posting without a smiley.
Right, Trevor?


Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Hellblazer/Swamp Thing query
Date: 14 Aug 1992 23:29:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla

In article <1992Aug14.123401.10262@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>>Here's Shannon D. Appel's list of JC appearances (it is a few months
>>out of date.)
>>
>>Books of Magic: #1-4
>>Hellblazer: #1-47, Annual #1
>>Sandman: #3
>>Swamp Thing: #37-40,44-51,65-67,70-77,84,88-90,99,114-115
>>
>For the ultra completist out there, there is a minor JC appearence that
>you are missing. It was in an issue of Green Arrow, I believe it was in
>the 20's. Ollie goes to Sherwood forest to investigate a mystery and
>stops off at a pub to ask questions. One of the questions spooks the
>locals (of course) and he is getting ready to leave when a nice English
>fellow pulls him aside and warns him about poking his nose into this
>matter. 3 guesses who it was? It is not actually said to be JC, but the
>look and the mannerisms were there.
>

JC also made a one-panel appearance in Secret Origins Special 1. This section
was written by Gaiman. Some interviewer asks him about Batman and the
Joker and he says "Sorry Squire, I'm not from around here. Make that
no comment". His name isnt given explicitly, but its him all right. 

Also, he appears in Crisis # 3, for a few panels talking to Mento.
Mento also refers to him in some issues of the Teen Titans, although
I cant remember the exact issues or whether he makes an actual appearance.
In another Secret Origins issue (cant remember number) with Zatanna,
he appears for one panel in a flashback scene with her. There are occasional
scattered references to him (but no actual appearance) in various titles
from Spectre to Mr. E. 

Abhijit
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,talk.bizarre,alt.sex
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:19:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.184920.4648@news.Hawaii.Edu> rigler@galileo.ifa.haw
ii.edu (Michael A. Rigler) writes:
>arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith) writes:
>>
>>No, a Necrophiliac wants to have sex with dead *people*,  I'm talking
>>about sex with Death itself.  I don't think that has a name.
>
>Dying?
>
No, that ain't it.  Maybe I should turn it into a contest.  (Although, the
last one didn't go off for %$#!)

Big Al.  Hey, I *am*the $64,000 question.
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!<--YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:53:33 GMT

asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
: I've noticed that there has been recent talks about how Wild C.A.T.S. by 
: Jim Lee is the new X-Men. Sorry, but not even on his best day could Jim
: Lee produce a comic that is close to the X-Men. 

Um ... ..... Jim Lee *DID* produce the X-Men there for a while :^)
And, it was great -- he and Claremont really did a good job, no where
near the good job of Chris/Byrne or Chris/JRJR&Green or Chris/Silvestri&Green.
But still vastly superior to 99% of the drivel Marvel was shoveling out.

Wild Cats is pretty good too -- and is incredibly better than many 
(most?) titles Marvel or DC are trying to pass off as comics. The art
is wonderful, and the characters have a lot of potential. I can 
pick out which of them were which X men (The ninja is Storm, the
dancer Rogue...) :)

The problem is, the *real* X-men are *gone*. I don't think that they will
ever come back. For a while, when Byrne and Lee were doing it, 
I thought the Xes could survive the loss of Claremont. Now, it's
obvious to me that an ex-What The--?! writer and Art Thilbert can't
do it. 

So, the only thing even vaguely like the X-men we used to know &
love is the Image stuff. Can't wait for Whilce to get his title 
going, or Silvestri!

A comic can survive on good art and bad story a lot better than
on good story and bad art -- to me, anyway. (Of course, Uncanny X has
both bad story and bad art!) Image is going on big-name recognition, 
getting *ALL* of Marvel's top talents. The chicken scratch in
the Marvel books is really pathetic compared to Image.{They'll at
least have good art. 

I'd rather fund Image's growing company than keep pouring money down
Marvel's drain for second-rate books. I think Marvel is appealing
to the lowest common denominator (6 year olds?!) or something with the
stuff they try to pass off as comics. At least Image is giving us
some semblance of talent.

: No, I'm not talking about
: the stuff that is printed in today's comics of X-Men and Uncanny X-Men.

I sincerely hope you aren't!!!!!!

The Uncanny X-Men is unreadable to me -- *terrible* art - the 
Morlock Blobs - unimaginitive story - basically, in a nutshell,
ruining great characters by trash.

Anyone who could even *pretend* the X men being published now is 
the same as the ones published a few years ago needs serious help.

I've read the X mean for years and years, and really like them, and
it was hard to drop them fafter all this time, but it had to be done!
Don't keep feeding Marvel's growing inertia and apathy. Put your
money behind Image, or anyone else that is showing some real
creativity.

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: DC RUMORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: QueerNet
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:41:49 GMT

In article <28812@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU> wchong@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (William Chong) writes:
>
>	I just read in Bill Hayes' Comics List that James Hudnall confirmed 
>rumors that GL:Mosaic, Justice Society of America and Aquaman has been 
>cancelled!!!!!!!!
>
>	CAN ANYONE ELSE VERIFY THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?

MOSAIC: definitely cancelled (per Cully Hamner, the artist)
AQUAMAN: cancelled and re-starting at #1 with PAD's first issue (per PAD)
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: amc@kepler.unh.edu (Andrew M Champagne)
Subject: Re: Current Spidey
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.191035.27752@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> louzon@aplcen (Louzon ronald g) writes:
>In article <BsvLrt.6Gs@acsu.buffalo.edu> camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale) writes:
>>> Has anyone but me noticed that NONE of the Spiderman titles are any good?
>>>I know this is a bold statement...I've been collecting Spiderman for 18
>>>years, and I don't think I've seen such a rut in storytelling in Spidey's
>>>history (not even the Rocket Racer days of the late seventies!)
>>
>>>This is very disconcerting to a comic reader...can something be done?
>>> 
>
>I disagree.  I think that SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN is a very entertaining
>book.  DeMatties's writing wasn't been this good in years.  The 'Child
>Within' storyline was the best since 'Kraven's Last Hunt'. I will give
>you that Buscema art isn't the best but its better than it used to be
>now that he is inking himself.  Some of the pages where the character's
>expressions change from panel to panel have been excellent.  I will 
>agree with your statement for the rest of the Spidey line.  I picked up
>all of the hologram issues and they ranged from average to poor.  Spidey
>deserves better. IMHO

 If the Child Within is the Osborne/Goblin storyline, then I admit that it
held some merit where the scripting is concerned, BUT I MUST REITERATE that
it is the artwork throughout that is generally shabby, and not indicative
of how great a character the Amazing Spiderman truly is. I mean, how many
times must Buscema cut and paste his panels to get his point across? This
was done by Byrne long, LONG before anyone else even thought about swiping
anything original for the sake of a story.

 I maintain that the story and art must be equally grand, for a story to
be unifiably worthy. I am not getting this of late, and from what I've read
I don't think I stand alone on this issue. Have you ever bought a comic
and said to yourself, "The story was fair, BUT THE ARTWORK..!" I've said it
too (note MacFarlane Spiderman as example) Sometimes you can get away with it,
but Marvel should respect that to make a quality book, the sum of its parts
must be greater than the product

 An excellent example of this is Kraven's Last Hunt. Superior story, superior
artwork. Nuff said.

 I don't mean to haze anyone who likes the other books, it's just that I 
expect more from my money, and from a great character. I asked what could be
done about the situation. The best suggestion I got was to drop them all
until they shape up.

 Thanks for listening,
-Andy

 .
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Worse Comics of all Time
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:14:33 GMT

Well, since no one else has really "leaped" to Marvel's defense, I will.  
Several of their books are really good (Hulk, X-Factor, Moon Knight, Excalibur,
and a few others) while others have their good stretches but tend to get 
mangled by crossovers (Alpha Flight, Wonder Man, New Warriors, most anything 
Lobdell writes).  Unfortunately, crossovers do tend to hack up decent 
storylines, and musical creative teams on many books prevent them from being 
good long enough to attract many new fans.  Right now I'm financially secure 
enough (only 2000 in debt, making 1100 a month in grad school) that I can 
afford to buy a title even when it kinda sucks (like recent FF) in order to 
keep up with the story in the event it stops sucking.  As a result, alot of 
Marvel titles end up on the top of my pile (yes, I put the best on the bottom) 
for weekly reading on a consistent basis.  Captain America, for example, has 
stayed pretty consistently at the #1 or #2 spot for about 100 issues now (the 
backups stories keep me buying it).  Because Marvel loves to cross its plots 
over, I find myself buying alot of dross to get the whole story, whereas in DC 
I can usually skip the bad comics.  Thus Marvel gives the impression of having 
more bad titles, when it really just has more of its bad titles engaged in 
crossovers.  Of course, said crossovers suck....
     Dave Van Domelen, right now is wearing a mood ring...no, really...honest