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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:11:00 EDT
From:         Karen Strauss <STRAUSS@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Windows Keystrokes problems

Todd --

I can't tell you why the keystrokes aren't working, but I can offer
you some other keystrokes that do the same things. Aldus did something
cute, but undocumented. The Windows versions of PageMaker actually uses the
same keystrokes as the Mac version. To copy, use Control C. To paste,
control V, to cut, control X. To undo, control Z.


Windows can be a bit buggy. Maybe you need to reinstall PageMaker
in order to get the proper Windows keystrokes to work.

Anyway, I hope this helps some.

Karen Strauss
New York University
Academic Computing Facility
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:02:29 EDT
From:         "Hark Salad (Spice, Reid)" <SPICE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      Stop.

Enough garbage.  This is a Pagemaker list, let's talk about Pagemaker.  This
kind of refuse could be sent personally and not waste our time with it.

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My reply:
Fascism and Democracy? Get real! We're talking PCs and Macs, not Mussolini
and Roosevelt! If it works for you, use it! But let others use their own tools.
Your probably anti-choice too.

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And what was that about HER choice?  Interesting that you mention ignorance in
your signature.
We're on this list because we like and use the program.  Other unrelated
discussions should be taken elsewhere.

Reid Spice
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Subject:      My name is Stuart Weissman and I am a graphic Artist at Montclair
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State.  Pagemaker is a week application. You ought to think about changing
over to a Quark users group.  Using Pagemaker instead of Quark is like using
SuperPaint instead of Freehand or Illustrator
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:54:25 PDT
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: how about PM 4.2 under system 6.0.5...
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Absotively, posolutely you can stay with system 6.0.7. You just won't have the
System 7.0 features, which might not be a big deal for you anyway.

You'll find PM 4.2 to be faster and more responsive than earlier versions. I
know I have. Some of their gadgets don't work quite as advertised though.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:58:13 EST
From:         JEDI <J$F@FCCJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Windows 3.1 and pagemaker
              14 Apr 1992 06:30:42 PDT from <dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU>

WELL, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, PAGEMAKER 4.0 RUNS WITHOUT A HITCH IN THE NEW WINDO
WS 3.1.  SURPRISINGLY, I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT WHEN A NEW WINDOWS VERSION IS RELEA
SED, IT'S USUALLY THE ALDUS PRODUCTS THAT BURP THE MOST WHEN THEY'RE RUN.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:39:24 EDT
From:         Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pages and printing

Once again, Pagemaker 4.2 DOES DO IMPOSITION and does it extremely well.
I have had many booklets I've spent hours setting up with proper pagination.
PM4.2 lets you keep your docs in logical order, then at your request
bops forth and creates the booklet with the pages the way you want them.
Relax and enjoy it!
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:13:46 PDT
From:         Leonard Kesterson <LENNIE@PCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Windows 3.1

Having seen OS/2, as a guest of IBM I'd say you probably don't need windows,
then again you could run Pagemaker in one OS/2 window and windows 3.1/or 3.0
in another window,but why. We have been running OS/2 beta for 4 monthes now
and what a difference......
Lennie    :-}
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:59:27 PLT
From:         Jerry Tangren <FACCOVEY@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Windows 3.1

InfoWorld dated March 30, 1992 makes the statement,

   "These and hundreds of other tiny anomalies--lists of bugs and
    problems considered too minor to fix in time for this release
    --are contained in two internal Microsoft documents"

Wonder what they consider minor? relative to OS/2?

Jerry Tangren
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Subject: req. for suggestions
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:32:37 GMT
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Guys & Dolls,

Isn't there an "allmusic" rule that when you ask people to list
there faves, or wedding music suggestions etc.,  you are required
(if you want your foundation grants to continue) to post a compilation
of your results.

-Headbanger
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From:         ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: LPS FOR SALE!
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> This lp sale is beginning to remind me of "the home shopping network."

At least with the HSN you can shut it off, and not have to worry about it
blocking out the good tv shows when your TV quota overflows!
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Subliminal Tapes

>From: "Michael M. Masuda" <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
>Subject: Subliminal Tapes

>To anyone who uses subliminal tapes:
>Is there any truth to the fact that there are
>actual messages imbedded into the music of
>subliminal tapes?

        Bravo Michael - a good point! Undoubtedly there are zillions of
examples of subliminal messages. Whether they work or not is a horse of
different colour. I suppose they do, but I have no experience about it.
        I remember that years ago advertisements were put into movies -
a single frame every once in a while, so that while you were watching
a scene you had a quick glimpse of a product. They said this was con-
ditioning... and you couldn't actually see it, because every frame in
a movie lasts something like 1/25th second, and the permanence of an
image on the eye is about 1/10th second.

>If this is actually possible to do, what's stopping the
>   television industry from feeding our minds with
>   subliminal (i.e., consciously unheard) messages?

        Can you *really* be sure they don't do it?

>Or what's stopping CD manufacturers from putting
>   messages onto their CDs (e.g., "buy more from this label")?

        Again, can you really be so sure? If the messages are subliminal,
and in case they work, how could you tell?

>Speculations are welcome.

        Yes, gang, let's start this. I guess that John and Michael Bloom
have something to say on the subject. And maybe woj might jump in again
(he's there, but in limbo :) )...

        And, on this subject, there is a funny story happened to me some
years ago. While recording an old song of mine, I decided to make heavy
use of backwards recordings - merely for sound effects. The title was
"Backwards" (great fantasy, huh?). In the vocal parts, I recorded some
oooh and aaah's backwards (and they obviously sounded like hooo and haaa
:) ). But, in a frenzy of improvisation, I shouted "backwards! backwards!
backwards!" while the tape was running. Listening to it the other way
(i.e., the CORRECT way I mean) that sounded much like "so look out!",
repeated three times. I kept the volume of it low while mixing, and now
you *can* hear something on the tape, but you can't tell the words unless
you know (also, it *sounds* like that, but it's another sound in fact).
        Was I subliminal? Yes, probably. But, also, unwillingly. I liked
it, anyway :)

        Ciao, Marco
From: philstas@VUB.AC.BE (Stas Philippe)
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Subject: Re: marillion
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              92 1:48 p

>
>I'm still partial to Fish myself.  Marillion isn't the same band without him.
>Listen to his two solo albums and it's obvious who had the talent in that band,
>at least lyrically.  Funny thing: when I saw them the crowd responded much more
> favorably to old stuff.  It must really be depressing for the band. oh well.
>

Johor
The main problem is that fish doesn't have marrilion any more. His music and
voice where harmonic in Marrilion. Now i have the imprssion he doesn't
find his own style anymore.
This results in some strange style that doesn't come over well

Johor
"If Man is five, Then the devil is six"
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: LPs For Sale/Spanish Inquisition

>         Sorry for all the updates on the LP list.  I'm a bit
>         new at some of the commands, and I didn't realize that
>         ...
>         week.  Hopefully, that will calm the masses.  No
>         Flames Please.

        OK, no flames, but pleeeze don't flood us with apologies instead!
This is the second. Carol, this friend might need your help :)...

        Ciao, Marco

OMC: no postings about Springsteen's LPs. Anyone bought them ;) ?
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:42:56 EST
From:         "Patrick Clauss" <EJCLAUS@ENGFAC.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Zeppelin List

    I was on that Zep list for about two or three days--it was a
waste. In that time, there was virtually no talk about Zeppelin.
These guys were having conversations about tape heads and home
stereos and other music related stuff, but nothing about the goddamn
band itself! I unsubbed, and some guy sent me a message, "Unsubbing
so soon?" Hell yes, when my mailbox is flooded with idle chatter.

    --PC
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:13:45 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Songs of the west - 1860-1890
              15 Apr 1992 13:50:42 GMT from <mikelle@VAXB.GBUS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:50:42 GMT Eddie Mikell said:
>Greetings:
>
>I will be playing for a "Western" theme park this summer, so I'm trying to
>do my homework for music during the 1860-1890 time period.
>
>I'm having discouraging luck.  Like most people who watched Gunsmoke too
>much, I imagined a the piano player in the saloon slamming out ragtime on a
>detuned upright.  I have found no books that support this.  The songs I've
>found that were penned during that time are (this is pretty bad folks):
>
>Sweet Betsy from Pike
>Red River Valley
>
>So you see the stuff I've found so far.
>
>Does anyone have some other suggestions, or has anyone done research for
>songs during this time period?
>
Just to be anal retentive for a moment:

"The Red River Valley" was orginally sung by the crews of packet boats on the
Erie Canal as "The Old Mohawk Valley" (the canal is actually the Mohawk River
for some miles west of Albany, NY, where it begins).  Many travellers who
were migrating westward started their journeys by taking the Erie canal west
to Buffalo, and continuing overland from there.  They picked up "The Old
Mohawk Valley" and changed it.  It is a perfectly respectable folk song, as
the fact that we still are aware of it some 130 years later indicates.

Other songs of similar ilk:

Down In The Valley
The Banks of The Ohio
The Water is Wide

As far as other sources go, you might try the soundtrack album from the PBS
_Civil War_ series.  Much of this music was done by Jay Unger and Molly Mason,
traditionalists extraordinaire.  In the same vein, check out the soundtrack
album from the movie _The Long Riders_.  This record features music from the
1870's, performed by Ry Cooder, another traditionalist.

IHTH!

-Scott "Anal Retentive is My Middle Name" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:43:32 EDT
From:         Don <STDG@MARIST.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: what if
              7 Apr 1992 15:20:15 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

CD' definitely are the shit, without a doubt, nothing compares to sound
quality that they have, except the DAT, but who the hell is going to pay
700 bucks for a single deck!! That's outragous!

For all those who want more precise information, the 3M (a well respected
company I might add) has released a report on the topic of CD oxidation.
I am not sure when it was released, but I beleive it to be pretty recent.
I am sure if you contact them they will gladly send you a copy.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:29:22 EDT
From:         Don <STDG@MARIST.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Metal Lists
              9 Apr 1992 16:48:00 EDT from <JL_BOBROWITZ@ACAD.FANDM.EDU>

3! Holy shit, that is really, really hard. I can't give you 3, I would leave
out way to many, Maybe you could up it to 5. That is a really cool idea, and
if you don't want to, then I'll try to give you three.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:14:00 CDT
From:         TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
Subject:      Cage

Found this, thought y'all would get a kick out of it.
                                 Happy Trails and Later Days....

Music-Research Digest       Sat, 11 Apr 92       Volume 7 : Issue  12

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 92 10:14:52 +0100
From: sdpage@uk.co.andersen (Stephen Page)
Subject: John Cage blown away by TV failsafe

[ I clipped this from Usenet group comp.risks -- it's not really in the
  mr-digest scope but I thought it might amuse readers... - S ]

   On Peter Ross's ABC-TV arts show on Sunday Afternoon,
   the avant garde composer John Cage was featured
   performing his 4'33".  It consists of the performer(s),
   armed with a stopwatch, sitting silently on stage for
   four minutes 33 seconds, with the music consisting of
   whatever noises come from the audience or outside the
   auditorium.  The TV performance went well, but the ABC
   was caught out by technology - a fail-safe device turns
   off studio transmission if there's more than 90 seconds
   of silence, and puts up a test pattern.  It went into
   operation three times during the performance.

Mark Bartelt, Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics 416/978-5619
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:06:32 EDT
From:         PRESTON@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Terror in the Basement

>Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:02:37 -0400
>From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
>Subject:      RE: fear of music

>True, but in this case we were making a good amount of "unfamiliar" sounds,
>but they didn't scare her.  I wouldn't have characterized them as spooky
>either.  But eventually we hit on something that was spooky, and it scared
>her.  What was it that made the "spooky" sounds frightening, while the
>just "unfamiliar" sounds were not?  The spooky sounds hit the survival
>button, but why?

     Genetic  memory,  Russ.   Through  this,  your  daughter  has   a
  subconscious  awareness  of  every horror movie soundtrack and sound
  effect you and your s.o.  have ever been exposed to.

     (Remember, Tim said our science sucked, folks... heh heh heh)  :)

     Actually, I would bet she was picking up some  visual  cues  from
  Dad, but that's just a guess.


                                  "n.n."
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:27:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Re: Up and coming concerts in the Rhein-Main area
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>from CAPITAL RECORDS CANADA. Getty Lee calls it the only music worth listening
>to.

 Of all people, a Canadian mispells Geddy Lee's name.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:29:28 EDT
From:         PRESTON@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Metal rules... death to...

     I'm surprised no one has suggested "Cruise Control" by the  Dregs
  as a top metal tune, so I will suggest it.  Is that off _Freefall_ ?
     Hell, at least say any of the harder  tunes  from  Steve  Morse's
  _Southern Steel_ CD...  "Simple Simon", "Arena Rock", etc....
     How about "Paint The Road"  by  Adrian  Belew  (from  _Twang  Bar
  King_)?  Or "Dick Dogs" by Sonny Sharrock?  Or "Zap" by Eric Johnson
  (from _Tones_)?


                                  "n.n."
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:40:00 EDT
From:         "BTW, which one's Pink?" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LPS FOR SALE!

So respond to the many that responded, not to the many that did not.  I've got
about seven of these things in my mailbox today and I don'thave the space,
time, or desire to see them.  Now it seems you are updating it as sales go
along ?!?!?!??!?!?

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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"you fracture me your hands on me a touch so
 plain so stale it kills you strangle me entangle
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                                - The Cure
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:15:22 PDT
From:         James Hedberg <hedberg@INFERENCE.COM>
Subject:      RE: fear of music (fwd)
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Forwarded message:


> From: Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
> Subject:      RE: fear of music
>
> >I guess the real question should be why do things scare us?
>
> That's what I was asking.  More specifically, what was it in that music
> that scared a 3 year old.
>
> >Things that we are unfamiliar with generally seem to scare us.  Is this
>
> True, but in this case we were making a good amount of "unfamiliar" sounds,
> but they didn't scare her.  I wouldn't have characterized them as spooky
> either.  But eventually we hit on something that was spooky, and it scared
> her.  What was it that made the "spooky" sounds frightening, while the
> just "unfamiliar" sounds were not?  The spooky sounds hit the survival
> button, but why?

I'm not sure i agree we have a "survival" button, but i think we are
talking about "music".  Isn't the whole thing about music is that it
evokes a response.  Why do vibrations and silences change the way we
feel in general?  Why does a beat just faster than our heart beat tend
to excite us?  Why do certain sounds "scare" us?  Why does some music
nauseate us?  Why is some music sad, dark, bright, powerful or any
other thing?

I would tend to point to the way we're made by God.

-Headbanger
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:20:15 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      what if
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  Ok, what if CDs had never been invented?  We would still be buying
vinyl albums and/or tapes.  Both of these are known to wear out.  I
doubt they would cost much less than the $10 or so we pay for CDs now.
CDs have it over vinyl/tape in sound quality, at least for most consumers.
CDs are easier to play back (whole album without turning it over, *fast*
fast forward, don't have to clean them every time,....). So did the
record companies bend the truth (at least) in saying that CDs are forever?
Yes.  Are CDs a "good thing" anyway?  I say Yes.

Russ
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Subject: Re: Two more Bible-inspired songsexit
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:13:16 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

> Supper's Ready (Genesis, 1972) was heavily influenced in its imagery (Gog and
> Magog, New Jerusalem, and all that stuff).
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Marco

	also -- LET THE RIVER RUN by Carly Simon!!

Thomas Beaudoin
Kansas City

	Rush rules, death to those who chastize the Yes group
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