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From: mmuhamad@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Mohd Zaki Muhamad)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: GNC PRODUCTS??
Keywords: GNC
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:29:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  Hi,

     I got another questions about body-building.  Recently, I have been
thinking about taking  products from GNC that provide nutritional support,
like Cybergenics ..etc.  However, I'm still confused and not sure if it is
a good choice or not.  I need a good advice from those who have been using 
that kind of products or have some expertise about this and how it affects
my work-out and especially my health.

Another question I got here is I usually feel very very tired after my work-out
and will go to take an hour long sleep right away. Is it okay?  I guess it is 
okay huh?  

    Thank you guys!:)
From: stromb@asparagus.berkeley.edu (Eric Stromberg)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question-TOO MANY SETS!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 03:47:10 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Mathematics Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: asparagus.berkeley.edu

In article <6034@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>Am I the only one out there who believes in the value of LESS sets?
.
.
.
Personally, I think everyone should evaluate their priorities/abilities and
plan a sensible work-out accordingly.  NO ONE program is for everybody.

Nonetheless, there are a few general principles (oft neglected!) that do apply:


-When starting out one can't and shouldn't do as much as one might eventually do.

 Starting slow and easy has many benefits.  Use your good judgement, you'll know
 when and if you're ready for more.  Muscles grow faster than all that other stuff
 (tendons...) Injuries really suck.


-You are MUCH better off to do too few sets than too many. 

 You do too many, and not only will you be wasting your time but you will
 risk injury and possibly even LIMIT your progress by overtraining. 
 Especially when beginning, you will benefit from almost ANY amount of
 weight lifting.  A surprising number of people really do overtrain, 
 particularly beginners.


-To get maximum results, you need to work your muscles to failure at some
 point in your workout.

 The point is, a few sets or many, don't just go through the motions.  Other
 than "warm-ups", you should really give every set all you've got (in good
 form of course!) You shouldn't be "saving up" for later sets in a long
 workout. If you are, you should think about your priorities!


-If you are making progress or maintaining what you want, your workout is
 probably a good one for you. If not it's time for a change.


-We ain't all made of the same stuff.

 Some people have to worry a LOT more about injuries and overtraining than
 others. THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO WORK OUT THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY. 
 Personal experience is the bottom line.


P.S. to "Junkie":

 Are you working out for muscle gains? Have you been at it for a while?
 If so, my experience suggests that you probably would benefit from doing
 at least a FEW more sets. Personally, for the heavy stuff I'm not really
 warm until after two or three sets. On the other hand, if time is in short
 supply why not do the weights in fewer workouts-the reason most people go
 for a split routine is because they are doing too many sets to keep it up!

					-All in the interest of good health-
From: TDHINSON@MIAMIU.BITNET (Tom Hinson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Novice Seeking Advice
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:41:59 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I am new to weight training and need some advice.  My goal is a
balanced increase in strength and defined mass.  The workout facility
has free weights, Universal, and Nautilus.  Unfortunately, no one
at the facility seems to be able to give competent advice.  I have
read *The Nautilus Book* by Darden and *Getting Stronger* by Pearl.
 
My plan (which I started September 1) is this:  do a Nautilus routine
for 6-8 months as a way to initiate my body to weights, then gradually
shift to free weights.
 
Does this seem like a reasonable plan?  Is the Nautilus recommendation
of one set per machine and no more than 12 machines per workout good
 
advice?  Should I try to do multiple sets on each Nautilus machine?
If so, is it better to do all sets on each machine at one time or to
simply do the circuit a second (and third) time?
 
I would appreciate any advice you can offer.
 
Thanks,
 
-- Tom
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: WeightLifting Books
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 16:32:36 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Can anyone recomend a good weightlifting/body building book?
I am especially interested in a book written by a MD.
But other suggestions would be appreciated too.


Thanks,
John Hajel
From: emilia@natinst.com (Emilia Hezari)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: step videos
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:20:00 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

Hi, I'd like to get some recommendations on step videos. I'm looking for 
a safe routine geared towards beginners. 
Do you have any experience with the following? I'd like to get some feedback
before I buy one of these:

	-Kathy Smith's Step Workout
	-Step Reebok: The Video
	-Jane Fonda's Lower Body Solution (I and II)
	-Lynne Brick's Power Stepping

Thanks!

Emilia

-- 
emilia@natinst.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:14:48 CDT
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <1992Oct9.093029.7826@walter.cray.com>, glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I think if you can do 8 sets of anything you're not working hard enough on
|> the 1st 3.  Usually if you have a mind set to do 8 reps you'll save a little
|> on each set.
|> -- 

Are you counting warmups, or do you just jump right in at 300 lb benches?

I can see limiting one's self to three heavy sets, but I think you might
do a couple of warmups first (you know 135 -> 225 -> the real sets)

Art
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: In-Line Skating...
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:10:56 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <6910018@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> karlf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Karl Fengler) writes:
>Anyone out there who "Inline Skates"? (rollerblading) Haven't seen any
>entries in "misc.fitness". Is there a seperste group out there somewhere?
>Anyway, if you know of a "Inline Skates" group, let me know.
>
  Yeah, I inline skate.  I think there is a separate group for this
  sport, it may be hooked to the rec.sport.hockey group.  I've never
  been able to find or acces it though.

Judy

 




Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:29:14 CDT


In article <1992Oct7.203551.11144@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
|> Recently I've been doing 6-8 sets of U-bench, then sometimes a few flys
|> as my chest workout.   I've been avoiding free weight bench because
|> I need to change the chest part of my workout to get some results.
|> I'm thinking of supersetting 8 sets of 8 of U-bench with something like

You sure do need to change your workout.  Try doing 3 sets of "all out, I can't
do another rep" type.  More sets are a waste of time.  Try to add 1 more rep
to 1 of the sets each workout until you can do 12, then add 5 lbs.  Try
using dumbbells, dips (done correctly are wonderful), dumbbell flyes.
There is so much variety, don't stick to always doing flat bench with the 
same grip/style.. experiment mon.. Try doing 100 reps, or 10 to failure, lower
the weight by 30-50%, and fire off some more to failure, then cut it by 50%
and go to failure, different grip, different path of travel....

Machine benches, IMHO, are horrible.  The rollers usually create a lot of
friction when you push and none when you lower it (for the type that use them).
This is totally opposite of what should be happening.  It's better than nothing
though!  Push-ups are always a good option! 
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Lat Pulldown: front or back?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:40:30 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


What is the best way to do Lat pulldowns.  To the front or back?

Thanks,
John Hajel
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: split routine question
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:21:04 CDT


In article <9210082045.AA06158@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
|> If you do Upper Lower Upper, what comes *next*? Upper right? so that means
|> Upper Lower Upper Upper ...
A rest day... 

|> Not necessarily. it all depends on how many days a week you workout! If
|> you workout 4 (or more) days per week, with a routine that's split into
|> 3 parts (2 upper body workouts, and 1 leg workout) will rotate so that
|> sooner or later you will get 2 consecutive upper body workouts.
Hu?  Upper, lower, upper, day-off, repeat...  I'd like to see the proof that
eventually you would have 2 consecutive upper body workouts...  My proof skills
are a little rusty..

It doesn't depend at all if you're on a 3-4-5 or 6 day routine a rest day
is the most important day to take!

-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
Newsgroups: rec.food.recipies,misc.fitness,rec.running
From: cmanry@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Charles (skip) W. Manry Jr.)
Subject: Net.Powerbar.recipe.book
Originator: cmanry@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Keywords: Fitness food! 
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 04:21:49 GMT


Hello out there in net land.


I like to Mt. bike on weekends for about 2-4 hrs at a time.  However I need
food to do this and not bonk out.  I have been using a variety of 
"Powerbars".  This weekend I tried out a product called "Cliff Bars".  It
was like this very dense oatmeal cookie.  

So I had an ideal [ a risky thing )-> ].  Why couldn't I make/bake my own
"Power bars"!?!.  

So mail me your recipes to cmanry@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu and I put them all 
together and post 'em.  I call it the Net.Powerbar.recipe.book  So send
those recipes to me.  All who send me a recipe will get there recipe listed
in the book and their name so we all know who to thank.

Once complied I will post the book to: rec.bicycles.advocacy
                                       rec.bicycles.racing
                                       misc.fitness
                                       rec.running

Remember send to cmanry@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu   Posts to another machine will
be ignored.

ps. "Power Bar" is a trademark.  I have used this name only as a descriptor
of a type of product.  Don't sue me!  I am a STUDENT==poor!

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%  Charles W. Manry  / cmanry@nextasy2.eecs.wsu.edu    %  Vote "Cthulhu" in   %
%  Dept of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sci.    %  1992.  Why vote for %
%  Washington State University, Pullman WA 99164-2752  %  the *lesser* evil!  %
%  ** Opinions expressed here do not in any way    **  %                      %
%  ** reflect that of my department or supervisors **  %  From rec.games.frp  %
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jurso@node11.ips.iacd.honeywell.com (Jason Urso)
Subject: Rest Days
Organization: Honeywell Industrial Automation & Control
Distribution: misc.fitness
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:02:25 GMT

I have typically been working upper-body and arms on a three day a week schedule
Usually M-W-F with rest days in between.  However the duration of these 
workouts is getting too long so I plan to go on a 5 day a week schedule and
split up the body parts.  I have always been told and read that in order
to maximize muscle growth you should have a day of rest after working a muscle
group in order for the muscles to repair themselves from the workout.
Now lets say I work my biceps on Monday and then Tuesday I want to work my back.
There are quite a few exercies for the back which also work biceps as a 
secondary muscle group.  That was just an example but many exercises work multiple muscle groups so my question is will I be getting the rest necessary to achieve maximum muscle growth?  Or what would be the best combination of exercises to ensure the muscles are getting enough rest?

-----
Jason Urso
Honeywell Industrial Automation and Control
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: WeightLifting Books
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:45:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1992Oct8.234535.5685
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <s04-g-A@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>
>Can anyone recomend a good weightlifting/body building book?
>I am especially interested in a book written by a MD.
>But other suggestions would be appreciated too.

The unabridged, normal type-size Oxford English Dictionary weighs about
150 pounds.  That is a good workout weight.  I prefer the Enclopeadia
Brittanica myself.  I start with A-Q then add a couple letters each set.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tmwhited@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Toni M. Whited)
Subject: numb hands
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:40:08 GMT

I have recently started using wrist straps to do pullups; you know, those
things that secure themselves around your wrists and that you wrap around the
pullup bar.  I have been experiencing a slight numb feeling in my little
fingers since I started this.  I have no idea if there is any causation
involved here, only correlation. So I would like to know if anybody has
had a similar experience, and, if so, if there is any simple remedy.

Toni
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: In-Line Skating...
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:38:54 GMT
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio

In article <6910018@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> karlf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Karl
Fengler) writes:
>Anyone out there who "Inline Skates"? (rollerblading) Haven't seen any
>entries in "misc.fitness". Is there a seperste group out there somewhere?

Try rec.skate. I would have sworn I have seen one specific to inline skating,
but it wasn't on the list of newsgroups when I just reviewed it.

-Jim
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:58:44 GMT

In article <Bw2IpL.1zw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
>(posting from a friend's account)
>
>ARRRGGGGG!!  Does anyone else out there get frustrated with their muscle
>improvement ???  I have been lifting for about 5 months now and have only
>gained 10 pounds.  Now, my new roommate has been lifting for 2 months and
>has also gained 10 pounds.  I have tried to figure out what the hell is wrong
>and here is what I think:
>
>	first, I have a small build to start with 5' 10" and 145 (up to 155 now
>	though)
>
>	second, I have a high metabolism (sp?), I never have been able to gain
>	or lose weight.
>
>	third, I use alot of Nautilus and Universal machines (I have heard that
>	they produce long and strong muscles, but not much bulk).  Is this 
>	true??
>
>	forth, I don't think I have been "intense" enough.  My muscle aren't 
>	sore after a workout.
>
>	I usually work a  4-on-1-off with some variation, keeping each workout
>	at 1 hour or less.  And of course, working different parts each day.
>  	Eating more meat and fish and weight gainer.  but nothing seems to be
>	working!!!!
>
>	Is there any hope of speeding up my progress, or is it all genetics?  
>I am thinking about giving up because I am getting tired of putting in so much
>effort and seeing such little gains.

Well,

1) There is the matter of genetics.  You might be a hard-gainer.

2) Good news is that, yes, many of us believe that free weights are
better for building.  I've posted reasons before if you're interested,
but this is at least one school of thought.

3) Better news is that size and weight alone are not the best indicators
of muscle development.  Has your appearance changed?  Do you feel better?
You might be losing intramuscular and subcutaneous fat to muscle mass.

4) If you really want mass, go to lower reps and higher weights.  It's
not necessarily the best idea, though, unless that's your preference.

5) If you don't exercise each muscle to failure, you're not going to
get much out of it.  I would use a partner for spotting and cheating
and let them get nasty and push you on sets.  I wouldn't have a problem
with saying that one set to failure at 4-6 reps, REAL failure, and
a little helping cheat from a partner, is better than 4 or 5 of
comfortable, almost failure, but not quite, sets of 8-10.  Much.

6) Keep changing exercises.  Don't use any one type of press, grip,
curl, machine, etc., etc..  

I'm not that much for recommending pain, but if you're not ever sore,
you aren't working.  You might have become too comfortable with your
routine.

Good luck.

GMS
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Aerobic VS. Weights
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:34:35 GMT

In article <1bf8ljINNh07@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rpc@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert P Chauvin) writes:
>
>I have a question I'd like to ask for my girlfriend.  Is it better to
>just do aerobic exercises to lose weight in the legs?  She does both
>aerobic (step, bicycle, etc.) and also trains with weights.  She has good
>definition in her legs and does not want to stop using weights.  She
>does want to lose some fat in her legs.  Can she continue to do both or
>should she just concentrate on the aerobic exercises until the desired
>weight is lost?

For effective fat loss, the majority of exercise time should be spent in
aerobic exercise.

--phil
From: wall@spdc.ti.com (Raj Wall)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdc.1992Oct7.151004.14470
Distribution: usa
Organization: TI's Risible Technology Branch, Dallas

After reading a suggestion here (I don't have the author, sorry), I
have been doing incline and decline press in addition to regular bench
press.  At the gym I was told I was wasting my time with incline and
decline _press_ and what I needed to do was incline and decline
_flys_.  I appeal to the collected wisdom of the net: Are incline and
decline press exercises a waste of time?  Should I only do flys?
Both?  Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Raj
wall@csc.ti.com

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not
 be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
					9th Amendment, U.S. Constitution
From: Wilma_Braat@mindlink.bc.ca (Wilma Braat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re:initial soreness of biking
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:38:30 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I am sorry to say this but your condition does sound slightly strange.
However if you are not sore after the initial bit don't worry about it!
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Advise for starter..
From: Rob_Tan@kcbbs.gen.nz (Rob Tan)
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:25:34 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

I want to increase the size of my upper arms & define the front og the 
chest more.. any specific excercises I should be doing? 

Also regarding supplements, has anyone used Horley's Muscle Maker? Infact 
is any of them supplements of any help if one already has a balanced 
diet?

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw)
Subject: Excessive soreness
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:34:56 PDT

I am getting back into shape after 2 years off due to insanity.
I am having a problem which I had last time I got into shape,
I get very toxic when my workout gets to 3 sets.  I am doing 
30-40 minutes of aerobics and weights 4 days a week and since
I moved up to 3 sets in my weight routine I am incredibly sore
and stiff with symptoms like the flu during recovery.  The last
time I got into shape I had this same problem.  Is my body
learning to recover?  Is there any one out there who has had
this problem and solved it?  Any suggestions are welcome.  My
diet is decent, I drink plenty of water, watch my fat intake,
and LOVE vegetables but these flu-like symptoms, aching over
my kidneys (not muscle related) eyes sting, feel listless
what can I do?  Thank you for any ideas you can pass along.

----
jen@waffle.sns.com  (jennifer warshaw)
Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Test. and Sun??????????
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:28:40 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Poo writes:

% well now, let's remember that if one develops skin cancer, it won't matter
% what kind of gains are made at the gym.

Believe it or not, the article sez that much of the problems associated with
sun exposure and skin cancer are not a direct result of the ultraviolet
radiation.  Much of the problem is apparently associated with the fatty diet
and large amounts of processed foods:

        "Though recent research might seem to indicate that sunlight is a
        factor in skin cancer, skin damage and aging, many scientists believe
        that it's not sunlight but an unhealthy diet of high-fat and
        processed that is actually responsible and that sunlight merely
        exacerbates or accelerates the negative effects of the high-fat and
        highly processed diet that most Americans eat."

% and blaine, you have such wide lats -- only the noontime sun could get
% the whole thing, yes?  :)

Well, you found me out... Yeesh. :-)  I thought I could keep them a secret. 
Although the ripped shirt tends to give me away. (Yep! true!  I ripped a
shirt the other day.)  [I haven't been called Lat-Man for nothing. :-)]
But I love the noon-day sun. :)  Nothing like it to get the blood flowing.

-blaine
-blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: too many sets (down to 4 from 8) -- warmup
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:04:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.225113.6952@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>
>	I've decided that 8 sets per exercise is too many.  

8 sets per exercise is unheard of in my experience, unless you don't plan
on doing more exericeses........


>Too much energy spend on warmups makes me weak for the "real" sets, but 
>what about too little:  Have any of you noticed anything bad from going 
>right at your real sets?   I've done it and nothing bad has happened.

my coach calls questions like this the mr./ms. magoo questions.  you may
not have mucked yourself by not doing warmups yet, but, baby, you will if
you keep it up!  ALWAYS do a very light warmup before going heavy.  you
can pull/bruise muscles big time if you don't.  also, your joints may
protest with bursitis, and other types of inflammatory reactions.  don't
wait to learn the hard way, unless you enjoy pain.

poobear