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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Some Stupid Questions for Japanes.
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:50:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.025652.3609@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.002149.12660@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>S. Korea has banned Japanese language programming (musicals, drama, etc.)
>>from radio, TV, the theatres, etc.
>	I'm posting this since I don't want people here to get
>	the wrong info. due to this B.S.

Yes.  No one should believe either of us without verification.

So, I refer everyone to the "Japan Times" of 1991.  I'm referring
to the particular issue where there was a report about the following
controversy that erupted.  Apparently, a Japanese women had just performed
a musical, sung entirely in Japanese, in S. Korea.  Several S. Korean
officials were in an uproar over whether she violated the law that I
mentioned above.  The S. Korean gov't decided to let this "slide" because
she had performed exclusively in front of the Japanese business community
in S. Korea.

The report goes on to say that Japanese-language programming like
movies and dramas are also officially banned in S. Korea.

>...    Ah, put your Korean-bashing on s.c.k if you have more; I don't think
>	people here will be interested.

I do not post to s.c.k. unless I am responding to a post by someone
who is not culturally Korean (Korean-cu).

We should take Mr. Kim's comments as indicative of most Koreans-cu.
"If it's something that I don't like, then it's bashing Korea."  (Note
that Mr. Kim proposes no definition of "-bashing".)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jerian@src.dec.com (Chuck Jerian)
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaijin
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:06:19 GMT

California takes a thumbprint for a California drivers license or identity card.
Everyone is fingerprinted.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: Sumo -- Day 8 Highlights
Organization: School of Info Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
	<461@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP>
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:22:49 GMT

In article <461@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP> tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic) writes:

   []Koto gets my vote as the best technician of the crowd.

>   I disagree on the above point. 
>   Terao, Kyoku and Mainoumi are better technicians.

The lightweight wrestlers must, by necessity, try more unorthodox methods.
Certainly, they are a joy to watch when they're good, but this basho has
been a disappointment for them all.

Koto, on the other hand, is strong enough to win most of his bouts by
simple yorikiri or oshidashi. He does so typically by getting the
heavy guys off balance. His winning bouts, almost without exception,
are really interesting to watch. Take for instance the throw of the
basho, against Musashimaru; what a beauty. Or remember how he won
Akinoshima, standing on the straw borderline. I'd say he's the best in
this basho.

>   The Wolf and Asahifuji, as well as Kirishima were great in their time.

Certainly, although I never saw Chiyo in action, and still can't get
over it... :-(
  I hope Kirishima can make a comeback, and stick around for a couple of years.

Magnus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,sci.lang.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: "Otoko kotoba" and "On-na kotoba" (Male language and female language)
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:36:37 GMT

 I wrote:
.....
>  Another interesting thing is that most Japanese don't think that 
>this discrimination regarding the language usage is a sexist attitude.
.....
> It's my impression that there is a strong
>support from both sexes for conserving this traditional discrimination in
>the Japanese language.

   Another Japanese netter sent me a mail and said that he doesn't think that
this tradition of the Japanese language is sexism but that it's more like a
beauty of our language and culture. I personally agree to his opinion and
my statement above was not made to mean that we should realize the hidden
sexism nor that we should abolish our language discrimination. However,
it is also true that this is a standard of behavior predetermined only
by a person's sex. If the society exerts a pressure on men/women and does not
let them use a certain sets of language only because they are men/women,
that could be regarded as sexism in one sense. For example, if a woman
is not hired because she uses otoko kotoba, would it be counted as
sexual discrimination?
   I'm also wondering if the movement (if there is any) towards the 
abrogation of sexism in Japan could have any influence on our linguistic 
tradition.

--Michiaki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kanazawa@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Makoto Kanazawa)
Subject: Re: "Otoko kotoba" and "On-na kotoba" (Male language and female language)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:45:07 GMT

In <Bxu72q.4MI@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>behind the generation of otoko kotoba and on-na kotoba. However, it's
>my impression that there is no real movement among Japanese towards the
>abolishment of sexually determined language usage. Although many adolescent

I agree.  But is there any *real* movement among Japanese towards the
abolishemnt of sexism, for that matter?

Makoto Kanazawa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Taipei
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 08:33:18 GMT

In article <Bxy6wx.FzI@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
writes:
>So what do the Japanese think...

Care to hear the opinion of an American?

>	TAIPEI (UPI) -- Taiwan defense officials and French aircraft maker
>Dassault Aviation on Wednesday finalized the sale of 60 advanced fighter
>jets to the island, a Taiwan newspaper reported. ...
>	President Bush agreed in September to sell Taiwan 150 Fort Worth-
>built F-16 jets for $6 billion, reversing Washington's decade-old ban on
>the transfer of advanced aircraft to the island. ...

Generally, Bush has made excellent foreign policy decisions, but this
decision is inconsistent with US policy.

The gov't on Taiwan is a leftover of the Nationalist struggle against the
Chinese communist party (CCP).  Both parties claim control over approximately
the same territory; hostilities between both sides have never officially
ended.

By definition, this is a civil war.  Since the USA has already recognized
the gov't on the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the legitimate
gov't of all of China, then the USA should not be sending weapons to Taiwan.
The only exception would be the case where Taiwan declares it's independence.
Then, it would be a separate nation, and the USA could recognize thusly.

Until as such time as the Taiwanese people declare themselves to be an
independent nation, Taiwan is still part of China, and it is not appropriate
to send weapons to Taiwan.  This case is not analogous to Lithuania
(when it was still held by the USSR); this case is also not analogous to
Bosnia or Croatia.  All these states did declare their independence.

If the Taiwanese don't have the guts to declare independence, then the USA
should not life a finger to help.  We can not help a people who do not want to
be helped.  Similarly, we could not free S. Vietnam because the populace
of S. Vietnam didn't believe in the cause.

Continuing weapons shipments to Taiwan would be like the PRC sending
weapons to California to encourage a separate Republic of California
even though California has never declared its independence.

Japan should do the same.  I don't necessarily mean in terms of weapons
shipments.  For example, if an illegal alien from Taiwan is found in 
Japan, he should be returned to the legitimate gov't of China (which
currently includes Taiwan); that gov't is the PRC gov't.  Any relations
with Taiwan should be subject to the approval of the PRC gov't until
as such time as the Taiwanese have the guts to declare independence.

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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Taipei
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:22:09 GMT

So what do the Japanese think...



	TAIPEI (UPI) -- Taiwan defense officials and French aircraft maker
Dassault Aviation on Wednesday finalized the sale of 60 advanced fighter
jets to the island, a Taiwan newspaper reported.
	Meeting in Taipei, the two sides signed a formal contract for the
sale to Taiwan of 60 Mirage 2000-5 fighter jets and 1000 MICA air-to-air
missiles, an arms package valued at $2.6 billion, the China Times
Express report said.
	The contract calls for delivery of the warplanes in 1995 and
stipulates that neither France nor Taiwan will comment publicly on the
sale, said the report, which cited unnamed sources.
	President Bush agreed in September to sell Taiwan 150 Fort Worth-
built F-16 jets for $6 billion, reversing Washington's decade-old ban on
the transfer of advanced aircraft to the island.
	The Bush administration has since lobbied against the Mirage deal,
arguing that 150 F-16s are sufficient for Taiwan's defense.
	The Nationalists have ruled Taiwan since being driven from the
Chinese mainland by Communist armies in 1949. Today both Beijing and
Taipei claim sovereignty over all China.
	China, which shares formal diplomatic relations with France and the
United States, remains vehemently opposed to both arms packages.
	Taipei currently has about 400 combat aircraft, mostly 1960s vintage
jets, while Beijing is believed to have stationed some 1,500 fighter
jets in southern China, according to military analysts.
	Both France and the United States have cited Beijing's recent
purchase of advanced Russian Su-27 fighter jets to justify the sale of
warplanes to Taiwan.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Movie "Rikyu"
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:55:34 GMT

In article <1529.9211172133@csparc2.scs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk writes:
>Wasn't the film "Rikyuu" directed by Teshigara?

Yes, I believe so.
To be precise, TESHIGAWARA (TESHIGAHARA? :-) Hiroshi.

>Anyone prepared to describe what it was like?

Sorry, my memory is failing me, and no sources at hand.

>Teshigara's earlier movie "Suna no Onna" is IMHO a masterpiece.

Agreed.

A sidenote, as replacement.
Teshigawara was born to a family of the IEMOTO of an IKEBANA school
(IKEBANA = art of flower arrangement; IEMOTO = (hereditary) head
master of traditional art schools/sects, as in Ikebana, Sadou,
Nihon-Buyou (traditional Japanese dance), etc.).

Teshigawara rebeled to his family ties in his youth and took to a
film-making career, in which he achieved great success.
A few years ago, due to some strife within the Ikebana school
(I'm not sure about this), he agreed to take over the position
of the head master.  His ways seem to be radical and revolutionary.

>When the original poster says "[s/he]
>really misses this film", is this because of the story it describes (the 
>point of the question) or the quality of the movie itself?

I think both, as the original post illustratively described camera-work
and music.
(If you've missed it, I can send you a copy.)

-Yuzuru Hiraga
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Re: internment camps, could it happen again?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:20:40 GMT

In article <19921115015939IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
>>
>Michael--
>
>You are correct that economic interests also had something to do with
>the hysteria as did the media.  However, I was simply pointing out that
>the US Government, especially President Roosevelt, hold ultimate
>responsibility for what happened, including the hysteria, because they
>went ahead with the internment program and made numerous false
>accusations of disloyalty and espionage despite the fact that no such
>incidents occurred and despite the fact that they already knew that the
>Japanese American community would not pose a threat to national
>security.
>
>Gann

Makes me wonder if the USA government could get away with doing this
again in the near future (internment of some nationality ethnic group,
not specifically Japanese).  I would think that there would be enough
people outside of the target group protesting and saying it's illegal
nowdays.  I suspect there are enough Americans around that won't blindly
obey a bad government order now.  Maybe a higher percentage of Americans
have graduated college and harder to dupe?
Hope I'm not wrong on this one  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:47:16 GMT

In article <BD.92Nov16075725@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>In light of all this hassle, maybe it's not too smart
>to kill unarmed people who are not making any actual threats
>to your life?

An apparently unarmed person is approaching you despite the fact
that you have a gun pointed at him and told him to stop. What
are the consequences of allowing him to get close enough to use
a hidden knife on you? Of allowing him to grab your gun, take
it away, and shoot you with it?

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:09:33 MST
From: cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in English


In article <4917@sinec.cent.saitama-u.ac.jp>, hash@ikarac5.ctrl.saitama-u.ac.jp (Toshihiko Hashimoto) writes:
>In article <92315.103224RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Larry E. Cravetz) writes:
>>I think the original question has been answered, but please tell us (me) more
>>about GENPUKU, and KANREKI. Are these also birthday celebrations?
>
>Refering to DAIJIRIN of a big Japanese dictionary,
>
>GEN-PUKU:
>a celebration for a boy announcing that he has been of age.
>(It is a very old tradition, and now it is not common 
>at all, except amoung KOUZOKU, the Japanese Royal Family.
>Although this is my personal opinion.)
>
>KAN-REKI:
>a word to express the age of 61.
>This has got something to do with the ancient Chinese
>Calendaring system, ETO.  
>
>KI-JU:
>a word to express the age of 77 or a celebration of
>the age of 77.
>This comes from that the form of a KANJI word, 
>"KI(yorokobi)" in handwriting looks like KANJI
>words to express 77.
>
>They are all I remember now.  I think there are a little 
>more celebrations else.  Does anyone know more?
>

How about HATACHI? It means the age of 20. NO Really, it does!!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: Rikiya Asano Bashing
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:00:46 GMT

From tsoft!bbs.lar@apple.com Sun Nov 15 10:55:02 1992
(Larry Greenfield asked me to post this for him)

I must say that I have to call long distance and have limited time to 
read usenet. Therefore, I only LIST posts by their title and pick and 
choose.  Lately, I hvaven't been picking that many to read, for there 
seems to be a "s.c.j. follies" going on instead of actual discussion. Too 
bad. On a side note though, without reading any of the flaming posts and 
knowing what's going on, I DID read Mark Choi's post, and I agree with 
him 100%. Those that love their country will criticize it until it's 
better. I am a very big fan of Japan too, I love the culture and 
language... but it's certainly not perfect. There are a LOT of things 
wrong with Japan in this 26-year old's opinion... just as there are a lot 
of things wrong with the US now. What does that mean? That no country is 
perfect.  According to Mr Choi's article (again I'm lucky enough to have 
missed the flame-articles) lots of people seem to be defending Japa no 
matter what. Stop looking through rose colored glasses. The world is not 
that simple.  If there are such strong Japan-defenders, I'll ask you 
honestly, have you been there before? Do you read dail news from there 
(or at least keep up on a weekly basis?) I don't mean for 
foreign-consumption NHK news, but the real-life news as well?
  Japan is a country much like the United States in thatit has a lot of 
pluses.  It also has some pretty big minuses, but that hasn't stopped me 
from being a fan of the country... but you've got to take it for what it 
is, and not for what you'd like it to be.
  One last note is that if you have any comments about my post, put them 
in email. Chances are 90% that I won7tsee it in s.c.j. because I'll only 
pick those posts that have titles I care about.
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)

Again, don't mail yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu PLEASE 

Thanks
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Soupy Economy
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:49:02 GMT



	TOKYO (UPI) -- In Japan, there's a sure-fire way to measure the
economic climate -- check the sales of traditional ``miso'' soup.
	The salty mainstay of traditional Japanese meals has made a comeback
in Japan of late, as disappearing company-expense accounts chase people
out of restaurants and back toward old-fashioned home-cooked meals, the
daily Asahi Shimbun reported Friday.
	Industry officials told Asahi that as Japan's booming economy spawned
cosmopolitan tastes among the nation's new yuppies, sales of miso -- an
orange paste made from fermented soy beans -- steadily declined from 1988
until late 1991.
	But as the economy went sour, miso sales began creeping back upward
last November, and hit record levels in August.
	``More people are eating at home due to cuts in overtime and expense
accounts,'' Masataka Nakada, a miso industry association official, told
Asahi.
	Most Japanese eat their miso in the form of soup, which is as crucial
to a traditional meal as rice. Japanese enjoy miso soup, traditionally
served in a lacquer bowl, for breakfast, lunch or dinner.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead)
Subject: Re: Is it true? (was Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47....)
Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:55:50 GMT

huttar@hp750.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar) writes:
>I suppose Mr. Robertson didn't clearly mark his post as fictitious because
>he wanted to be subtle, mysterious, play with people's minds.

Then he ought not to mark his postings with datelines that include
(AP), (Reuters), etc., as they really don't like that kind of stuff.
Publishing fake reports with fake attributions could get him into
some serious legal problems.

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From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Kanemaru Talks
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:59:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.of257lO00iV0I9xW5h
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This is embarrassing!

                       Now, your really making me suffer!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: 50 YEARS AGO TODAY: November 21, 1942 - Alaska Highway opens
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:57:27 GMT

On November 21, 1942, the Alaska Highway was officially open for traffic.  It
had actually been conveying traffic since October 29.

The Alaska Highway was one of the two marvels of wartime road engineering; the
other being the Burma Road.  It was built to allow the quick transport of men
and supplies to the US' Alaskan territory from the continental US.  Prior to
the opening of the Alaska Highway, Alaska was reached primarily by sea from
Seattle.

The Alaska Highway began at Dawson Creek, British Columbia, Canada; first
heading north to Fort Nelson, it then crossed the continental divide reaching
Whitehorse, capital of Canada's Yukon Territory, and then on into Alaska,
terminating at Fairbanks.  It remains one of the major land routes into
Alaska.

The engineering problems in building the highway were formidable.  Large areas
of the land it ran through were tundra which melted into a squishy bog during
the brief summer.  Sometimes the road curved around the bogs, but more often
they had to go right through them, reinforcing the road with logs.

A long article about the Alaska Highway was in National Geographic several
months ago, and I recommend it highly.