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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:50:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>>An nntp approach would be better in multimachine operations, where as
>>one machine would be the message server for the others --  Fidonet (and the
>>FTS) is too limited.  It might be find for the typical DOS based BBS -
>>but it's not for a high volume usenet distribution hub.   

>It's not at *all* clear what you mean by "multi machine operations".

I would suspect he means more than one machine tied together with TCP/IP,
maybe NFS, and NNTP.

>Net 105 feeds a couple of subsections of the Net via SLIP links. And
>the machines at each end act as concentrators.

How does it feed them over the SLIP links?

>If you are talking about a multi machine "site" or "node", then I *really*
>don't understand what you are getting at. Most such setups are running
>on some sort of LAN anyway. And use shared file structures. 

I'm in the middle of setting up a two-machine system: OS is ISC UNIX
and two machines will be linked with TCP/IP running over Ethernet.
NFS will run on top of that. 

The main event is to keep the gateway machine from slowing down when
news is being unpacked/expired: this way people will have a constant
speed interface. I haven't tested out which is the most efficient
but there are a number of options: 1) keep the news on the gateway
machine, NFS-mount the news spool the news server and let its CPU
work on news, 2) have the news on the news server and let the
gateway machine NFS-mount the directories, 3) have the news on the
second machine and access it from the gateway (and perhaps other
machines as they get added) with NNTP. 

Right now the project is on hold as the Ethernet cards I got weren't
reliable so I'm waiting for new ones to arrive....

Dave

--
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:38:12 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>Many new users finally hang-up due the the hard to learn user interface.  Users
>want single key commands with hot-keys and ANSI color.

Well, myself, I loathe hot-keys.  Future Vision came with hot-keys...
everywhere!  Every time they update the software, I need to add another
system flag and recode every user input line so that hot keys can be
disabled.

Someone who loves hotkeys has never connected to a BBS using a noisy
line.  One burst of line noise and you could be anywhere in the system.

>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
>keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

As for ANSI color, fine, but a system shouldn't assume every user has
the capability.  I don't call systems that do that.  Especially ones
that insist that you do indeed have an entire IBM character set, and
uses it every chance it gets.  IBMscii means little to my acoustic
portable terminal.

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for
| |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even 
 \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.
     \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.
       `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."
From: weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us (Dean Kerl)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: bbs + fax
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:14:45 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

john.lorenc@canrem.com (john lorenc) writes:

>What type of operating system is required?  I'd prefer to stick with DOS, but
>would consider OS/2 if it's more appropriate.

DOS would work, but I'd use some type of peer to peer network as well. 
Have one machine to run the BBS and the Door. Have your user run the
door, upload the data to a file. Have the second machine search the 
HD of the BBS computer for the file, then just call a command line
fax program to send the file. I've done something similiar using BitFax
and a cheap FAX card.  

>How would/could the faxes be queued, if the line was busy / no answer / fax
>machine out of paper?  I would initially use two phone lines - 1 in and 1 out. 
>It would be nice to have a user uploading at the same time as a previous users
>fax is being sent out.

Have the door que the files by simply calling them FAX1.TXT, FAX2.TXT and then
deleting them after they are successfully faxed.

Oh, most of the FAX software I tried had a hard time running on the same
machine with the BBS without locking up the comm port. Hence the need
for a peer to peer network (lantastic). This will also allow the use
of two phone lines as you suggest.

>What BBS software would be most suitable?

Since you know PC Board, I'd use that. Lots of Door libraries for C and
QuickBasic to make that part easy.
 
>What fax card / software would be suitable?

Any fax card/software that can convert an ASCII file to its FAX format
and then send it from a command line. It should also send back error
levels for you batch files to determine if the FAX was sent correctly.

>How difficult is it to program doors?

Not that difficult if you get the right library. I see you're calling
from Canada Remote, they should have plenty of source code libraries
to help you. I've done it in QuickBasic using a package called Door
Source. 

>I'd like to hear from anyone that has done something like this or has
>confidence that it can be done.  Do I have a chance to make this idea work or
>am I dreaming?

Sure you can make it work, but I would hope there's some good money in
it for you.

Dean
weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us
-- 
Dean Kerl
weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:16:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: dixie.h7bnh-l
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>If by "public access" one refers to Usenet/email access, there
>are tons of Waffles, Citadels, uuPCB's, (and, yes), UNIX systems other than
>the two to which John De Armond refers.

>Might I offer my own little MS-DOS system as just one example of a publicly
>accessible, nay, even FREE to all users, system that provides exactly this
>sort of connectivity.  

>But, to say that there are only two "public access" systems in Atlanta is
>a bald-faced lie... or a gross exaggeration, at the very least.

Sorry, guy.  I've yet to encounter a person who wants usenet public access
who is interested in a bbs running on a toy OS.  Public access in the Usenet
context inplies certain conventions, one of which is that there is 
a Unix-like system underlying  it.  

As I recall your announcement a few months ago, yours is a single line
system you run as a hobby.  Correct?  probably OK for other hobbyists
who don't mind demon-dialing for hours to get in.  "Public", maybe but 
accessable?  

Face it, you're simple one of the literally THOUSANDS of hobby
systems that take advantage of this LATA. And like a large
percentage of those systems, you'll probably disappear once the
novelty wears off.  I have no problem with that, of course. I do
have a small problem with your masquerading as a public access
site. I have a real problem being called a bald-faced liar by
such an imitator. 

If there are any other public access systems here in Atlanta, I'd love
to know about them.  Toys don't count.

John
-- 
John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?  
Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
Marietta, Ga                         |Interested in high tech and computers? 
jgd@dixie.com                        |Write me about PE Magazine
Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:13:10 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

marks@mgse.UUCP (Mark Seiffert) writes:

>I agree, I think that the list maintainer should give sites that charge a 
>fee top billing in his file and double the number of lines allowed for 
>these special commercial sites. Why should John have to advertise his site
>when the list maintainer should be doing it for him free.

>[Sarcasm off] It sounds like John is whistling Dixie.com out the wrong end.

Maybe I'm just slow and missed something but I don't get it.  If your friend
and mine, Mr. Cron post an advertisement for Dixie to the same lists as the 
Nixpub, it costs me nothing.  Even if he is very industrious and posts, oh, 
say every hour. If phil lists dixie, it costs me nothing.  zero = zero.
What have I missed here?
-- 
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Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
Marietta, Ga                         |Interested in high tech and computers? 
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Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.
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From: pjlahaie@pinetree.org (Paul JY Lahaie)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:40:40 EDT
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

jwiegand@moe.eng.temple.edu () writes:
> Whoa! Linux is NOT  Unix!
> Linux is written from the ground up for a 386 architecture- no BS.
> It makes no pretense that it follows SVID or any other AT$T convention.
> Linux merely does what the people who wrote it (Mostly Linus) want it
> to do. Sort of a Plan 9 from Netspace.
> The only standard that is remotely followed is POSIX.

    Well if people considered Coherent3 Unix, I would certainly consider 
Linux Unix.  By your own words, DR DOS, or VM/386 aren't DOS.  They 
aren't MsDos fine, but they are still DOS.  Linux isn't AT&T Unix, but 
it's Unix.
 
                                                 - Paul

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Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5610 comp.bbs.misc:838 comp.misc:3494
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:51:45 EDT
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

> In article <n#hn_h=.teddybur@netcom.com> teddybur@netcom.com (John Sange
r) wr
> >
> >I suggest to all site news administrators that your posts be put into a
> >news kill file and not be posted henceforth on any system that receives
 the
> >news.
> 
> This is by far the most asinine posting I have seen in a long time.  You
r
> fascist tactics disgust me.  No one has the right to censor another's po
sting
> no matter how disagreeable they are.
> 
> Your idiotic suggestion is not welcome in a free-speech environment.
> -- 
> What did Dan Quayle get on his IQ test? 
>                                              Drool.

Bravo.  I disagree with John's views, but I disagree even more with a call
to censor him.  John is hardly the only person who has been unpleasant,
and he is far from the worst.  There was a really nasty remark that I
thought was totally out of place in a rational discussion, and I won't
repeat it here, but everyone should know what it was.  John has every
right to disagree with the Nixpub policy, and to complain about it
vocally.  Sure, if you get really annoyed, kill file him, but it hardly
seems reasonable to call for him to be purged from the net...


"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:35:45 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

>In article <366@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
>>
>>But not for UNIX aparently. Any ISA/EISA 386 that is capable of running OS/2
>>is capable of running Linux. Linux is a free UNIX clone for the 386 and up. It
>>is in beta stadium, but don't let that fool you, it is very stable (it passed
>>the crashme test), complete and easy to install and use.

> But I have yet to see decent BBS software that has been ported to Linux.

I have the sources of unidel (Citadel) and mbox unpacked on the harddisk, but
other ports had higher priority. Linux is sufficiently UNIX compatible that
most ports are quite easy. And Waffle is ported to Linux, so there is at least
one BBS availlable (that is, if it fits your definition of decent).

Greetings,
Peter Busser
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From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:09:48 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug26.225556.1029@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:
>
>>I was
>>brought up thinking how nice it would be to share everything and learn from
>>other people.
>
>In other words, you just like to leech off the goodwill of others, who
>foot the bills of the systems they run.
>
>For instance, I run a several-node UNIX system directly connected to the
>Internet. It costs me close to $500 per month to operate. While I like to
>"share" as much as the next guy, sorry, I can't "share" $6k of my salary
>per year so you can get a hard-on reading alt.binaries.erotica.etc.

I'll take that as a flame, so I will be just as nice and say "screw off"
right at the start.

I run a Public Access system here.  I spend a lot of money and time to do that.
I disagree with you.  Period.  Go away.



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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: TBBS limitations
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:01:52 GMT

From article <11458747.107.715565673@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, by 11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON):
>>The selection from eSoft is very, very limited indeed..  From the
>>limited selection (and the way eSoft is supporting developers) it
>>is obvious that eSoft wants to keep tight control on what is available.
> 
> Is it possible to run TBBS under OS/2 ? If so, this would be quite handy 
> wouldn't it?

	Although not officially supported under other multi-taskers or
OSes, people have claimed to have run TBBS under OS/2.  Whether or not they
use it as their full time system, I don't know.
 
 TTYL
 Chris  

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet
From: jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist)
Subject: BBSes in 716 area code (Niagara County)
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:48:31 GMT


I'm looking for BBSes in the 716 area code (only Niagara County) with
a USENET connection.  A friend of mine lost access to a Erie County BBS
on Internet and now cannot read USENET anymore.

THank you for any help you can provide.






Paul "Joe Friday" Stacy (not net.police)       Buffalo State College, New York
STACY54@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (Buffalo State College VAX)                JUST THE
jfriday@westmark.stanford.edu (Stanford, California UNIX)       "VAX", MA'AM!
Disclaimer:  This isn't the opinion of the school, police, Chief of Detective
             Staff Brown, Planet Spaceball, Starfleet Command, or the Pentagon.

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:31:53 GMT

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>stuff I put up with when I ran a BBS years ago.  I guarantee my
>users practically no busy signals which means I spend lots of money
>(world's largest toll-free LATA comes at a steep price) on phone 

ahh - you must have Southern Bell -- which is very expensive --

they (SB) are trying to get FL to pass the ".02 per minute" on
local calls, and lowering the basic monthly service down in the
$5 range stating that those who use the phone the most should have
to pay to most...

of course, this type of service would start as an optional service
but who knows, after 10 years?
-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Nixpub bashing
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:50:31 GMT

phil@bts.com (Phil Eschallier) writes:

>the nixpub list has been bashed pretty severely and i have put up with
>a lot of shit in the last few days.  john from dixie has published an
>exchange of PRIVATE e-mail which i feel is out of line.  he has also
>bashed the list, calling it the public toilet list and complained
>about it in a handful of posts to alt.bbs

I aliken John De'Armond to a "fuck-wad". Form a mental picture of a
"fuck-wad", and think of that whenever you hear his name.

In fact, with the demise of DDMI/John Palmer, John De'Armond could
take Palmer's place as net.fuck-wad.supreme.

Wait a minute... Looks like there is a pattern there... John.... John....
Yeah, it looks like something's forming....


>as i have stated before, my goal for the nixpub list is that any
>individual with a copy of the list can call a unix site and get
>something.  this includes anonymous uucp.

Given John's attitude here, clearly you wouldn't want to place ANY
phone number of his in the NIXPUB. Can you just imagine the type of
shit treatment some new user would get from him, based upon what has
transpired here?


>although i did not
>keep an exact count, about 75% of the e-mail was in favor of current
>policy.

Count this one as support too. I see nothing wrong with the current
nixpub listing.

The only thing I can think of perhaps changing would be adding USENET
systems running on non-UNIX machines. For instance, what difference
does it make if I run Waffle under DOS or Waffle under UNIX - you'll
never interact with a shell/COMMAND.COM, so you really would never
know the difference, as an end-user.

But, of course, that's YOUR decision to make, not mine.

As in all traditional DDMI-related posts, this posting is, of course,
a forgery.

MD
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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Pay for a BBS?
Keywords: bbs
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:19:09 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

The problem in general is that you can't afford to be a small commercial
system. As a free BBS (since 1986) I can offer what I want, refuse users
I don't want, and get my phone lines at bargain prices. If I started
charging (and wanted to be legal) I would have to track expenses and
income, pay business phone rates, and generally provide a service rather
than provide what I want. That would involve a lot more time and effort
than I want to put into it, and a level of service I have no desire to
provide.

So I provide what I want to provide, and if people don't like it they
leave. That doesn't keep the system from having regular users from a
number of countries, it just keeps the system a fun thing to do with a
computer and some phone lines I would have for my own use anyway. And it
gives me a captive audience for BBS software development. At one time I
have four sets of BBS software up, and people selected from a menu.
Things were very busy back then! Now I just run MBS and enjoy life.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: What distinguishes "good" BBS software from "bad"?
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:00:21 GMT

From article <5Po7PB3w165w@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us>, by david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter):
> What is the "best" BBS to use for a Special Interest Group?  I have to set one
> up, and the software I have is The Major BBS (Galacticomm.)  It seems reason-
> able, and complete, but I don't know enough to know whether it is good stuff
> or not.  I don't even know what questions to ask!  So, how do I distinguish
> "good" from "bad" in BBS software?  Is The Major BBS considered "good?"  And
> for a BBS where people have to pay to get access (non-payers get very limited
> access), what features should the BBS software have?

	David, IMHO, the quality of the BBS depends on it's SysOp.  If you
have a good amount of time to dedicate to modifying whatever you can
with MajorBBS, there's no reason why it couldn't look or feel as good as
any other good system.

	I think the best way to go about designing your system is to take
a user's perspective.  For me, that means making things Simple and somwhat
Stupid.  On Wintermute, I also describe each menu command like:
 
 [F]  File Transfer Libraries.....................Up/Download Files of Interest!

	Things like that.

	It will also depend on the kind of users you're catering to.  I
get simple and stupid because the people who use our system are teachers
and students who have never used telecommunications before.  If you're
looking to seasoned BBS enthusiasts, then describing each little thing is
probably overkill.

	Again, it's pretty much up to you to master the software.  As much
as I'll praise TBBS, I've seen many a Remote Access or QuickBBS (or whatever)
system that in my mind was superior because of the presentation.
 
 TTYL
 Chris

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:52:05 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:

> 	Wait there...Coherent is Unix, just based on an old release,
> and develop/licensed to someone other then AT&T...if you throw this
> in with OS2/DOS (don't know what QNX is *frown*), then are you
> going to throw in Linux also...that isn't licenced to AT&T??

Erm, are you sure about this? I don't think Coherent *is* UNIX, it's certainly
not directly based on AT&T code (otherwise it would bear a (C) AT&T somewhere)
and MWC would certainly advertise it as UNIX if it wasn't. As far as I'm aware
Coherent is merely UNIX-compatible.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"