From: arminius@soc7.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:51:33 GMT
Reply-To: arminius@soc7.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter)


In article <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>, U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler) writes:
|> Path: news.duke.edu!duke!concert!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u52809
|> From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|> Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
|> Message-ID: <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
|> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:20:58 GMT+5:00
|> References: <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
|>  <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>
|> Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
|> Lines: 42
|> 
|> In article <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
|> says:
|> >
|> >The recipe for a good rivalry includes proximity of the schools, and usually
|> >a general feeling of "one-up-manship".  I do not believe that quality of
|> >teams is required, but it definitely helps.  As an example I would like
|> >to cite the hoop frenzy that exists in NC.  The "big" rivalry in the past
|> >was NC State and UNC however with the recent downswing in the program at
|> >NC State and the firm establishment of Duke as the NC team to beat, the
|> >intensity has moved more to Duke vs. UNC.
|> >            [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> An "old time" Carolina fan could probably address this with more certainty
|> but I believe that the focus of the rivalry from their perspective has
|> changed a couple of times.  An indicator might be the unoffically official way
|> they end their fight song.  I'm told that it was originally "Go to Hell,
|> Duke!" but when I got there in '76, it was "Go to Hell, State!".  That
|> changed back in '78 or '79  to "..., Duke!", corresponding to the reemergence
|> Duke basketball as a national power (with Gminski, Banks, Spanarkle, etc.,
|> the ACC championship and
|> a national championship game loss in '78, and the pre-season top ranking
|> in '78-79).  (However, they never stopped having the "Beat Duke" parade
|> before the annual last football game of the season.)
|>     Don't confuse all this with the rivalry as viewed from the other
|> "Big Four" schools on Tobacco Road.  Everybody "hated" Carolina more than
|> anyone else and anyone at State, Wake, or Duke would have said that
|> Carolina was their number 1 rival.  Perhaps that has changed with Duke's
|> recent dominance in mid-March through early-April relative to the rest of
|> the "Big Four", but it would surprise me a bit.
|> 
|> 
|>   -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
|> 
|> CAUTION! May be harmful if inhaled. Causes irritation. ... Has caused
|> reproductive and mutagenic effects in laboratory animals. ... Ingestion of
|> large doses may cause nausea, vomiting, muscular twitching, rigidity,
|> convulsions, and prostration.  Dehydration and congeation occur in most
|> internal organs, particularly the meninges and the brain.
|> SAFETY CODE: (use) Eye Guard.
|> 
|>   -- portion of the warning label from Fisher Scientific Co. bottle of
|>      Sodium Chloride (a.k.a. table salt)
|> 
In article <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>, U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler) writes:
|> Path: news.duke.edu!duke!concert!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u52809
|> From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|> Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
|> Message-ID: <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
|> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:20:58 GMT+5:00
|> References: <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
|>  <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>
|> Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
|> Lines: 42
|> 
|> In article <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
|> says:
|> >
|> >The recipe for a good rivalry includes proximity of the schools, and usually
|> >a general feeling of "one-up-manship".  I do not believe that quality of
|> >teams is required, but it definitely helps.  As an example I would like
|> >to cite the hoop frenzy that exists in NC.  The "big" rivalry in the past
|> >was NC State and UNC however with the recent downswing in the program at
|> >NC State and the firm establishment of Duke as the NC team to beat, the
|> >intensity has moved more to Duke vs. UNC.
|> >            [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> An "old time" Carolina fan could probably address this with more certainty
|> but I believe that the focus of the rivalry from their perspective has
|> changed a couple of times.  An indicator might be the unoffically official way
|> they end their fight song.  I'm told that it was originally "Go to Hell,
|> Duke!" but when I got there in '76, it was "Go to Hell, State!".  That
|> changed back in '78 or '79  to "..., Duke!", corresponding to the reemergence
|> Duke basketball as a national power (with Gminski, Banks, Spanarkle, etc.,
|> the ACC championship and
|> a national championship game loss in '78, and the pre-season top ranking
|> in '78-79).  (However, they never stopped having the "Beat Duke" parade
|> before the annual last football game of the season.)
|>     Don't confuse all this with the rivalry as viewed from the other
|> "Big Four" schools on Tobacco Road.  Everybody "hated" Carolina more than
|> anyone else and anyone at State, Wake, or Duke would have said that
|> Carolina was their number 1 rival.  Perhaps that has changed with Duke's
|> recent dominance in mid-March through early-April relative to the rest of
|> the "Big Four", but it would surprise me a bit.
|> 
|> 
|>   -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
|> 
|> CAUTION! May be harmful if inhaled. Causes irritation. ... Has caused
|> reproductive and mutagenic effects in laboratory animals. ... Ingestion of
|> large doses may cause nausea, vomiting, muscular twitching, rigidity,
|> convulsions, and prostration.  Dehydration and congeation occur in most
|> internal organs, particularly the meninges and the brain.
|> SAFETY CODE: (use) Eye Guard.
|> 
|>   -- portion of the warning label from Fisher Scientific Co. bottle of
|>      Sodium Chloride (a.k.a. table salt)
|> 
In article <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>, U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler) writes:
|> Path: news.duke.edu!duke!concert!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u52809
|> From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|> Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
|> Message-ID: <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
|> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:20:58 GMT+5:00
|> References: <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
|>  <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>
|> Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
|> Lines: 42
|> 
|> In article <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
|> says:
|> >
|> >The recipe for a good rivalry includes proximity of the schools, and usually
|> >a general feeling of "one-up-manship".  I do not believe that quality of
|> >teams is required, but it definitely helps.  As an example I would like
|> >to cite the hoop frenzy that exists in NC.  The "big" rivalry in the past
|> >was NC State and UNC however with the recent downswing in the program at
|> >NC State and the firm establishment of Duke as the NC team to beat, the
|> >intensity has moved more to Duke vs. UNC.
|> >            [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> An "old time" Carolina fan could probably address this with more certainty
|> but I believe that the focus of the rivalry from their perspective has
|> changed a couple of times.  An indicator might be the unoffically official way
|> they end their fight song.  I'm told that it was originally "Go to Hell,
|> Duke!" but when I got there in '76, it was "Go to Hell, State!".  That
|> changed back in '78 or '79  to "..., Duke!", corresponding to the reemergence
|> Duke basketball as a national power (with Gminski, Banks, Spanarkle, etc.,
|> the ACC championship and
|> a national championship game loss in '78, and the pre-season top ranking
|> in '78-79).  (However, they never stopped having the "Beat Duke" parade
|> before the annual last football game of the season.)
|>     Don't confuse all this with the rivalry as viewed from the other
|> "Big Four" schools on Tobacco Road.  Everybody "hated" Carolina more than
|> anyone else and anyone at State, Wake, or Duke would have said that
|> Carolina was their number 1 rival.  Perhaps that has changed with Duke's
|> recent dominance in mid-March through early-April relative to the rest of
|> the "Big Four", but it would surprise me a bit.
|> 
|> 
|>   -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
|> 
|> CAUTION! May be harmful if inhaled. Causes irritation. ... Has caused
|> reproductive and mutagenic effects in laboratory animals. ... Ingestion of
|> large doses may cause nausea, vomiting, muscular twitching, rigidity,
|> convulsions, and prostration.  Dehydration and congeation occur in most
|> internal organs, particularly the meninges and the brain.
|> SAFETY CODE: (use) Eye Guard.
|> 
|>   -- portion of the warning label from Fisher Scientific Co. bottle of
|>      Sodium Chloride (a.k.a. table salt)
|> 
In article <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>, U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler) writes:
|> Path: news.duke.edu!duke!concert!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u52809
|> From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|> Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
|> Message-ID: <92283.142058U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
|> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:20:58 GMT+5:00
|> References: <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
|>  <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>
|> Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
|> Lines: 42
|> 
|> In article <8OCT199217332682@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
|> says:
|> >
|> >The recipe for a good rivalry includes proximity of the schools, and usually
|> >a general feeling of "one-up-manship".  I do not believe that quality of
|> >teams is required, but it definitely helps.  As an example I would like
|> >to cite the hoop frenzy that exists in NC.  The "big" rivalry in the past
|> >was NC State and UNC however with the recent downswing in the program at
|> >NC State and the firm establishment of Duke as the NC team to beat, the
|> >intensity has moved more to Duke vs. UNC.
|> >            [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> An "old time" Carolina fan could probably address this with more certainty
|> but I believe that the focus of the rivalry from their perspective has
|> changed a couple of times.  An indicator might be the unoffically official way
|> they end their fight song.  I'm told that it was originally "Go to Hell,
|> Duke!" but when I got there in '76, it was "Go to Hell, State!".  That
|> changed back in '78 or '79  to "..., Duke!", corresponding to the reemergence
|> Duke basketball as a national power (with Gminski, Banks, Spanarkle, etc.,
|> the ACC championship and
|> a national championship game loss in '78, and the pre-season top ranking
|> in '78-79).  (However, they never stopped having the "Beat Duke" parade
|> before the annual last football game of the season.)
|>     Don't confuse all this with the rivalry as viewed from the other
|> "Big Four" schools on Tobacco Road.  Everybody "hated" Carolina more than
|> anyone else and anyone at State, Wake, or Duke would have said that
|> Carolina was their number 1 rival.  Perhaps that has changed with Duke's
|> recent dominance in mid-March through early-April relative to the rest of
|> the "Big Four", but it would surprise me a bit.
|> 
|> 
|>   -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
|> 
|> CAUTION! May be harmful if inhaled. Causes irritation. ... Has caused
|> reproductive and mutagenic effects in laboratory animals. ... Ingestion of
|> large doses may cause nausea, vomiting, muscular twitching, rigidity,
|> convulsions, and prostration.  Dehydration and congeation occur in most
|> internal organs, particularly the meninges and the brain.
|> SAFETY CODE: (use) Eye Guard.
|> 
|>   -- portion of the warning label from Fisher Scientific Co. bottle of
|>      Sodium Chloride (a.k.a. table salt)
|> 
Speaking from ACC tournament experience, no matter how annoying Duke has been
to other Big Four schools, they still hate Carolina more. At each tourney,
Duke is hated by State and Wake fans until it is Duke vs. UNC, and then they
either leave or cheer for Duke. If you've ever seen the average Rams Club
member, you would understand why.
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