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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:32:27 EST
From: Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: ST: DS9 premier question
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In article <cboerm48.726558934@ursa>, cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher
Boerma) says:

>hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @lone) writes:


>>First...
>>
>>Was the captain of the Saratoga a Romulan?  I hope not!

>I'm quite sure he was a Vulcan. But I have a question: Was Sisko the
>Captain or was the Vulcan? I don't remember if they ever mention it.

>                CtB

Sisko was the first officer...watch the first scene: The Vulcan is sitting in
the command chair, Sisko was somewhere behind him.

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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields? (The shields weren't up!)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:42:43 GMT

	If you'll remember, there was a TNG episode where O'Brian transported
himself through the shields of another Federation ship.  The captian (O'Brian's
former CO) was about to attack a Cardassian ship.  Now the ship that Scottie
and Geordi were on (can't remember the name) was 80 years older, had minimal
power, and was about to collapse anyway due to the force of the Dyson sphere
doors.  I think that the great transporter wizard O'Brian would be able to
transport our heroes through the ships shields under those conditions, IMHO.
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 15 Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:24:18 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>n article <1993Jan6.005754.578@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes
>
>>Has anyone else noticed that there is one big plot complication already
>>woven into Deep Space Nine that could cause big problems in future?
>>
>>Jadzia Dax is a Trill, right?
>>Trill's cannot be transported, without killing the worm.
>>
>>So, forget that plot device whenever Dax gets in trouble.  :)
>>
>
>I'm not so sure that this is correct.  If you remember, in the TNG episode
>with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
>hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the
>worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in
>good health.
>
>Sanjai Rao.

Actually, I think the problem is that the biofilter would determine
the worm to be a parasite and eliminate it as such....

Any other speculations?

                                         -=Road Warrior=-
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Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
From: Tony Bruno <BRUNO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:47:54 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

-- Regarding the replies to this post --

I see the original poster's point perfectly.  What I find amusing
is the bandying about of this "24th Century gender non-specific term"
garbage.  It has always been my opinion that the use of masculine
forms of respectful address throughout Starfleet is a result of
sloppy or non-existant research into military regulations and codes
of conduct.  After all, the first use of "Mr" for a female traces back
to 1982's TWOK. (There can be little doubt that Nick Meyers meant his
Enterprise to be military, so the ever-present objection that "starfleet
isn't the military" carries no weight in this matter.)

That mistake was, in and of itself, amusing and easily forgotten.
What I find repugnant is the need to defend and compound the initial
error with nonsense such as the "gender non-specific" arguments.
Regardless of intent, TOS and TNG have not portrayed women in a
good light.  TOS had Uhura, mini skirts, and women in largely
subordinate roles.  ("Number One" does not count; she did not pass
network muster and Rodenberry never really pushed hard after the show
was on the air to have another female commander.)  TNG has that
gross charicture of a woman we all know and hate, Deanna Troi, and
Beverly ("Computer how do I fix this?") Crusher.  DSN offeres us
2 female characters that are fairly interesting, admittedly, but after
ST's track record, I can understand the original poster's objections.

Note:  I'm not trying to start a flame war.  I'm only pointing out
that the original poster has a legitimate point that is NOT refuted
by pontificating about a fictional 24th Century Universe's unwritten
ideals.

Just my couple of cents.

Tony Bruno


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From: dkgardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dan Gardiner)
Subject: Re: Why Data has white face
Keywords: data skin colour
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:44:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.093359.17084@netcom.com> eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
     
     *stuff deleted*
>
>Actually, Data's skin is gold/yellow ...
>
>The reason is this:  when Dr. Soong originally created Data, he made him
>look completely human, with proper skin colour.
>
>In fact, he looked =too= human, and this freaked out the colonists on
>whatever planet they were living on at the time.
>
>The colonists insisted that Soong change Data's appearance so that he'd
>look like an android and not a person.
>
>Chuck

    Actually, and I know that this is being picky, but it was Lore that Soong
originally created and the colonists came to fear.  Data was then created with
said characteristics.


   Dan

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Emissary *** SPOILERS ***
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:35:07 GMT

Ummm regarding the credits Brooks goes first cuz he is in command
Evrything else is alphabetical...simple isnt it

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From: lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape)
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Subject: DS9 premeire - they move....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:03:30 GMT
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	It seems to me that the ships all moved faster in this show than in
TNG.  That is under impulse power like when docking, moving around the
Borg, etc.


Bryon Lape


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:26:01 GMT
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In <16B53D5DF.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>   Just one very minor correction: In TMP, Kirk says to Scotty (more or less)
>Nogura gave the Enterprise back to him.  So he's not quite the head honcho.

Yes, that's why I say *if* Chief of Star Fleet Operations is analogous
to Chief of Naval Operations.  This appears, to me, to be an inconsistency.

One way to explain it is to assume that Star Fleet proper is head of
a larger combined service, with Nogura as C-in-C over the whole
shooting match.  





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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: DS9 Station
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:58:32 GMT

rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:

>Who built the space station in DS9? If the Federation built it, why were
>the Cardassians running it? If the Cardassians Built it, why would they
>abbandon it?  If the Bjorn(sp) built it, perhaps they didn't need Cardassian
>help in the first place.  I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just confused.

Seems to me that it was (mostly) built by the Cardassians. They abandoned
it cause they were moving out of the area and really didn't think it was
worth the trouble to take it with them. Also I'm quite sure that the
bajorians really didn't request nor appreciate the Cardassian's in the
area.

>On another point, I wonder if the love of Star Trek is hereditary?  My
>father only like three TV shows, Star Trek being his favorite, All in
>the Family and Get Smart.  I'v been a Star Trek fan since the begining.
>My son is also a Star Trek fan and he doesn't live with me.  Mybe good
>taste just runs in my family.  Are there any other Three generation 
>Star Trek fans out there?

Can't help you there, I'm the first in my family. Thou my boss is a Trek 
fan and her kids are really into it as well so...

		CtB
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What did they do to the video? (was Re: ST: VII ... It's Official!)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:03:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Here's a question:  Can you buy the movie WITHOUT the extra two
minutes?  They're the major reason I haven't bought the film yet - I do NOT
want to see the pulling-the-mask-off-bit at all.  But...

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: 180-degree differences
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:37:56 GMT


Funny how exact opposite opinions on the same show pop up here.
Examples include:

The characters were 3-dimensional
The characters were wooden

The music was absolutely lousy
The music was great and inspiring

O'Brien kicking the console and it working was dumb
O'Brien kicking the console and it working was hilarious

The encounter in the wormhole was portrayed quite well
The encounter in the wormhole was ridiculous

The show seems to have great promise
The show is just another Star Trek knock-off that can't last, since
it's just a space station that can't go anywhere.

Deep Space Nine looked neat
Deep Space Nine looked like a warped wagon wheel turned on its side

(even)

The abbreviation should be DSN
The abbreviation should be DS9

And so forth.  Makes me wonder if they even broadcast the same show
to all areas of the country.  My, Star Trek fans certainly are 
argumentative, aren't they?

Mandatory smiley for the humor-impaired:   :-)

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From: dow@sunfse.UUCP (P. Allan Dow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Keywords: n
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:37:57 GMT
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale



>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>specific instances.

This is not a "sir" reference, but is related:
In TOS:"Balance of Terror" Lt. Tomlinson says to his fiancee Angela: "Until 
[we're married], I'm still your superior officer, so get with it, Mister!"

IMHO we are asked to assume that Starfleet has de-gender-ized all forms of
address, perhaps to eradicate anything which might contribute to sexism.

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From: zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
Subject: Re: 30 The Hispanic or English Counselor Troi
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:02:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.163346.5373@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
[.....]
>>Last night, there was a brief snippet on TV about the new women of
>>TNG, comparing them with the women of the orginal StarTrek. The
>>actress (I forget her name) that play Counselor Troi was being
>>interviewed. She sounds as if she has an English accent! On the
>>TV show, maybe it is me, but she sounds Hispanic!
>>
>>Is the Hispanic accent I am hearing her attempt to cover up her
>>English accent? Or was I out of mind when I heard the interview
>>and mistook the accent as being English?
>
>Marinia Sirtis (I know I didn't spell the first name correct, but hey)

She is half-Greek and half-British.  That is why she possesses a distinct
English accent to her offstage english.
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From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoC was CHEAP
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:01:47 GMT
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In article <ewright.726169069@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> In <1993Jan2.140226.1@pearl.tufts.edu> rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >Well, Jellico ordered **500** mines, but there were only about ten cylinders
> >in the shuttle (I didn't count, so that's "ten plus or minus five" :-) ).
> 
> Perhaps the Shuttle made several trips or the Enterprise transported
> additional mines over to the Shuttle.

You supposedly don't need much anti-matter to make a large
explosion so my guess was that each container held 
50 mines.  

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Am I the only person who DIDN'T like DSN??
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 07:00:58 GMT

In article <10328.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)  writes:
>
>
>Lots of lines for spoilers:

...deleted. Brandy new, high tech ^L added...>




>
>If DS9 is supposed to be dramatic over TNG's blandness, I'll take the
>blandness any day of the week!
>
>When the show opened at Wolf 359 and Sisko's ship blew as they escaped,
>DS9 got my attention.  Soon after, it faded.  The Bajoran female needs
>severe acting lessons: in her opening scene she was banging the table
>to show how "tough" she was supposed to be.  All it struck me as was
>gross over-acting.

I dunno, I'm usually quite sensitive to poor acting, she didn't set off my
"ham-alert". And she managed to deliver "What did I tell you? THERE is your
wormhole!" believeably. Really, the only line I found uncomfortable was Odo's
little speech about coming along because he didn't know where he came from.
But Auberjonons pulled it off pretty well, with what he had to work with...


>The station's problems:  these got old real fast.  How many tricks does
>O'Brien have to pull out of his hat in one episode?  An occasional
>technobabble solution is fine, but they could have explained what
>shape the station was in without resorting to "Oh this system doesn't
>work either, but we can pull off this miracle instead!"

Yeah, O'Brien can produce all these tricks from sub-standard Cardassian
hardware, but he can't make one of their transporters work without kicking
it? Hmmm...

Also, I wanna see how long they keep the station in poor condition. Ok, at
first the station was just an outpost in an out-of-the way system. But now,
it has great strategic importance, with the discovery of the wormhole and the
aliens inside. It behooves Starfleet to bring it up to front-line spec...


>The aliens:  How long can we be hit over the head with "linear
>existence" plot.

It worked for me in this instance. I cannot really buy aliens with a different
perception of time living in the same universe with us, but the wormhole aliens
live in an entirely different universe, with different natural laws. In fact,
I would have been disappointed if the "wormholers" (for lack of a better term)
obeyed our physical laws...

 
>About the only bit of drama I felt coming out of this show was the
>first scene with Picard & Sisko.  When he said they met at W359,
>Picard looked downright ill.  The rest of it reminded me, not of
>Star Trek, but of 70's style Buck Rogers where a few techno-miracles
>and bad acting save the day.

'Twas a very good scene...


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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:01:31 GMT


The moment I saw the Vulcan captain on the Saratoga (sp?) my mind went
crazy! I knew I had seen him somewhere, and I couldn't figure it out until
practically the end of the show. Everytime he showed up, I got a little
closer to figuring it out until it finally clicked... he was the guy
seating next to the Admiral when Wesley was explain the "accident" at Star
Fleet Academy!

Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
was dead. Have I overlooked anything?

Alan Bick
From: td06@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWARD DEFLAVEES)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rank Structure (was Re: Uniform Colors...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:50:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>
>  "Take her down to 50 fathoms."
>
>  "Sir, this is destroyer not a submarine."
>
>  "Belay that order!"
>--
>Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions
>are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
>America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first.
>

I don't know about you, but I think I pissed my pants!  After feeling like
crap since New Years for a variety of reasons, This was the first serious
laugh i've had.  Hats off to you Mr. Schmitt, for a damn funny funny.
From: msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik Harish Shah)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Symbiotic Life forms:DS9 (Possible Spoilers)
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:18:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sfICPg200iV103B3Y8
	<C0nv2p.59L@newsflash.concordia.ca>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Well, I'm pretty sure by now that everybody has seen DS9, but anyway i'm
warning ya':

I dont know if anybody has mentioned it before? But how could Symbiotic
Life forms come about? Any method of procreation/survival that would
require surgery (as Dax' flashback would indicate) wouldn't make sense.
Perhaps there is another lifeform that performs the surgery? Or that
transferring slugs from host-host could happen naturally (by the slug
crawling along the ground or something) and that surgery just increases
the chances of successful transferrence. Also, why is Symbiosis
necessary for the host? Obviously, the host has its own reproductive
life cycle (because Dax, as a host has her own memories...)

    Anyway, the Trill are an interesting species (pl.) (BTW, does the
name "Trill" refer to the slug or the host or both?) We need more
explanation on them.

    Also,  what episode before did the Trill appear in? Please send me a
synopsis (or post). I'll be eternally grateful.

    Also, can Odo be a Chameloid? The chick in ST:TUD never morphed to
the extent that Odo did/does, but thats not to say that she couldn't!


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                                        Mo




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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:09:39 GMT

In article <93007.45689.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L697187@LMSC5
IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?
>All Ferenghi (sp?)  appear to be the same color.  Klingons have minor
>shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.
>Any black Betazoids?  Black Romulans?  Vulcans?  Sure that tar-thing
>that killed Tasha Yar was black but it dosen't count.  It was pure
>evil and hatred.  Are humans the only species with skin color
>variations?  Oh, yeah, I forgot about the black/white white/black guys
>that were fighting in ST:TOS.
>
>     \    /\
>      \  /__\
>Scott  \/an  \rtsdalen  (white human, Earth)
>PP-ASEL


Someone's probably already rubbed your nose in this, but what about
those black aliens in the episode that Patrick Stewart considered
"racist" and thought they shouldn't have done?  The chieftain took
a fancy to Tasha Yar (well, there's no accounting for tastes, is
there? :) and made her fight his wife; she killed the wife (but Bev
was able to "revive" her and bring her back to the planet to kick
the chief out).  One of the first TNG eps I ever saw; can't remember
the name, though.

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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:49:17 GMT

The "Official" abriviation (the one used by people actually involved with  
the shoe) is DS9. That's what I'll use for now. What actually ends up being  
used on the nets......well, only time will tell.
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