HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fictorie@eir.pttrnl.nl (Henk Fictorie)
Subject: Re: Climbs in TdF/Milk Race
Reply-To: H.Fictorie@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:57:40 GMT
Full-Name: Henk Fictorie

budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren) writes:

>gregm@koko.csustan.edu (Greg Murphy)

>>In article <NICKH.92Jul20124512@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>:

>>>   I'd like to know more about the climbs in the Tour. What gradient _is_
>>>   the Alpe D'Huez?

>>I read today that it is 15-20% and 9 miles long.

>No way.  That would put the verticle rise at between 7000 and 9500 feet.
>I climbed it two years ago.  My impressions were (these are only subjective;
>I didn't have an altimeter function at that time) that it was quite steep
>at the bottom, possibly in the area of 15% and the rest is somewhat steep
>at around 10-12% with a few short steeper sections.  It is a long climb,
>however, and there are no downhill or level sections where you can rest.

The climb averages to 8.4%. The bottom part is quite steep (42x28),
after the small village La Garde the climb becomes less steep (42x26,
42x24). The climb is not very long (12 km), compared with the more
serious climbs in the neighbourhoud (Croix de Fer/Glandon, Galibier,
Izoard, Iseran, Bonnette.

Henk

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From: gs7413@noah.sbc.com (Bert Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Summary: After initial waxing?
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:06:46 GMT
Organization: Southwestern Bell - Arkansas

In article <23EA02s91bP001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III) writes:
> Degrease in citrus-based cleaner (like Citra-Solv).  The stuff works
> great and is not harmful to you or the environment.  After cleaning,
> use straight parraffin wax, available at local grocery store in the
> canning section.  Melt some of the wax in a pan, put the chain in for a
> few minutes, remove and hang to dry.  Dispose of the old wax and use

This is my question to the whole waxing procedure.  You say to
degrease the chain then wax it.  Do you mean the first time you wax it
to get the oil off of it?  If not, how will degreasing get the old
paraffin off? 
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From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:18:45 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul27.195849.394@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder) writes:
>>Nonsense.  No one *ever* finds himself drunk behind the wheel of a
>>motor vehicle by accident.  I don't accept the definition "accident ==
>>anything done by a motorist that causes property damage or injury".
>
>Doesn't matter what you accept.  What matters is how the prosecuting
>attorney, the jury, & the judge interpret the applicable statutes &
>legal definitions.
>
>Your use of alternate, emotionally based interpretations will only
>lead to unwarranted expectations & ultimately outrage at the
>resolution of this unfortunate incident.

...And maybe, someday, a large enough portion of the population that agrees
with Paul and is willing to treat auto-killings like any other killing, 
and motorists who kill like any other killers.  Is it an accident that
an armed robber uses that gun in his hand?  He didn't intend to shoot
anyone, it just happened.  An accident?

Doesn't matter what the above bunch of lawyers thinks.  Matters what the
American public thinks.  I'll give you a hint, no one is going to change
their minds unless people start thinking and talking like Paul does.

Going with the flow won't change a damned thing.

Ken
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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: What is wheel dish (Was: Freewheel road hubs)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:09:00 GMT

In article <14hctrINN706@early-bird.think.com>
bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
 
>
>The "freewheel road hubs" thread has discussed rear wheels with and without
>"wheel dish".  Being a relative novice to the sport I'm not very schooled in the
>construction and maint. of bicycles in general and wheels in particular (although
>I'm learning).  Could somebody please explain the technical aspects of what
>wheel dish is [...]
 
It's very simple. Front wheels are symmetric, but rear wheels have that huge
freewheel on one side. Thus, in order for the rim to be centered over the
axle, the hub to which the spokes are laced has to be closer to the rim on
the freewheel side. That's "dish". The way you measure it is to simply make
sure the rim is centered- there are simple gauges for this.
 
You could, in theory, just move the spokes in closer to the center on the
non-freewheel side as well, and build the wheel symmetric. Problem is that
this puts a bigger bending load on the axle. Some hub sets, like the Phil
Wood, use very beefy axles and are desined to be built this way.
 
      --mike
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: salaries in the peloton
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:51:35 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <r0gm2!_.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
|> The size of the Peloton in the Tour doesn't seem to have been
|> dimenished by the radically increased salaries spearheaded
|> by LeMond. I believe that the increased salaries are also
|> the cause of the increased competitiveness in the Peloton.
|> 
    the facts do not support your assertion - count french and belgian
    teams and compare with not so long ago. ditto for the italians.

|> In every case there seems to have been a much higher positive
|> change than negative change. Personally I think that such
|> arguements are specious in the first place since cyclists
|> wages are a mere pitance compared to European Socker or
|> and major American sport.
|> 
   football (soccer) enjoys much greater popularity than any other
   sport, therefore there is much more money poured into it, which
   is reflected in higher salaries.
   american sports scene (are basebal or golf really sports?) is
   obscene as far as salaries go.
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From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.224405.15808@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W writes...
> 
>I rarely see anyone signal a right turn, in any vehicle, or even
>left turns for that matter.

Come to think of it, hasn't the requirement to use any signals in any 
vehicle in Calif. been amended to be optional? I mean, who has the time to 
consider other people, when their own needs are so very important?

(cynical screaming face) :0

Mike



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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Amazing Stories
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:57:42 GMT
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <Bs94It.CBA@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>In article <rpj.712545659@fir> tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (Ben Elliston) writes:
>>him .. armed with bloody nunchuckers!  "My God!", I thought!
>
>Ummmm, what's a nunchucker?
>
>Up 'til then I was fascinated, but I think the punchline's in Aussie...
>Translate for a limey...

Actually I was pretty alarmed that they were BLOODY. Had the guy just 
come from using them on a previous victim. Then I remembered where 
canberra was :)

Of course it is still pretty alarming!


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:16:25 GMT

In <1992Jul29.233400.29566@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>From article <Bs3swA.3G3@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, by srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm):
>> over the NCC. Anyone ever heard of bike path speed limits anywhere else
>> on the planet?

>What I'd like to know is how cyclists know how fast they are going? I mean,
>how many cyclists have speedometers on their bikes? I certainly don't. I can
>only judge an average of how fast I'm going by taking the length of the route
>I travel, and how fast it takes me to travel it. 

I have speedometers on the two bikes I use on-road the most, but not
on my mountain bike or old clunkers.

Before speedometers became cheap and efficient, the "proper" technique
was to memorize your gear inches and use this to compute road speed
from your cadence.  You can also watch your front wheel and time the
revolutions to compute speed, but that's harder and takes your eyes
off the road.
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Racing Tandem for Sale
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:40:48 GMT

In article <MLY.92Jul26140428@atalanta.parc.xerox.com> mly@atalanta.parc.xerox.com (Richard Mlynarik) writes:
>Does this mean you no longer love your bicycle?  Did you leave it for
>a pretty young titanium thing?
>
>I'd be leery of this bicycle -- jilted tandems on the rebound can be
>unstable and fickle, even suicidal.

Just ask Eric House, who's Univega may have committed suicide while
he was dreaming of a Merlin!


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From: newman@otto.ycc.yale.edu (Andrew Newman)
Subject: Freewheels!
Keywords: compatibility
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: rec
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:34:40 GMT

Greetings,

I recently replaced the chain on my 11 year old Lotus Odyssey touring
bicycle.  After cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling everything I
discovered that when I pedaled hard in the larger sprockets, the 
chain caught and then snapped off of the teeth.  I presume this to
mean that I ruined my freewheel with a stretched chain.

After perusing several mail order catalogs I discovered that I am
somewhat behind the times apparently.  Most bicycle component
groups seem to use a sprocket cassette and freehub instead of the
old single unit.  My questions are:

	1) Should I start stocking up on freewheels?  Are they
	likely to become a thing of the past in favor of the
	new 'standard'?

	2) Is there a standard thread pitch/diameter for the
	freewheel?  The bike has a Sun Tour freewheel (6 speed)
	with sprockets that range from 13-32.  I would like
	something similar.

	3) Does anyone have any specific (or general!) suggestions
	other than purchasing a new bike?

Thanks.  (P.S. I read the FAQs and couldn't find anything on this
subject.  If it has been beaten to the ground on the net recently
then I apologize in advance.)


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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Question on history of Bridgestone
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:04:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Pamela, I had a Bridgestone MB-2 and with the group I was
riding with they soon became derigor. They make a well specified,
well made product that is just too conservatively marketed
for the modern business world.

In my humble opinion they are worth their cost.

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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: New wheels probs/The sequel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:58:10 GMT

Firstly (is that a word?) let me say thanks to all the replies to my questions
about the problems I've been having with my new wheels.  I recieved many
replys and number of which must have taken considerable time to compose.
Thanks guys and girls.  The problem was with some Ritchey road rims with
Ultegra hubs that came with my new Bridegestone RB-1 (GREAT bike:).  After
several rides the spokes became very loose.  The shop retured the wheels but
after one ride the spokes weere ready to fall out again.  I figured they had
been poorly built from the start but wanted some other opinions so I got
on the net about it.  Here's what a number of people told me;
-A lot of people with new RB-1s had had this problem.  
-The wheels were not properly tensioned when they came from the manufacturer,
thehop merely trued them to the point of roundness when they should have
restensioned them.    
-Several people mentioned that the rim strips were too narrow, I replace them
with Velox tape.  This had nothing to do with the problem but it was
good information.
-Several people said these are not strong rims so would not take alot of
tensioning, they said the tighten the spokes to the point where the rim would
begin to potato chip and then back of a turn.

Anyway I took the bike back to the dealer and talked to the owner, I was 
prepared to dump all this info on him but before I could he said they
needed to be retensioned and they would do so.  They took 3 hours with the
wheels but it looks like it was worth it.  I did a 50 mile ride yesterday
and the wheels stayed true.  Thanks folks.
-Terry
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: dish on 7-speed vs. 6-speed rear wheels
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:07:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Can anyone tell me whether a "normal" 126mm hub spaced for an ultra-seven
freewheel requires more or less dish than a "normal" 121 (or 120)mm hub
spaced for an ultra-six freewheel?  I guess it boils down to whether that
extra cog is more or less than 3mm wide.
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From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: mtb chainrings - which are the best?
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:29:29 EDT
Distribution: usa,rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Jul22.133315.11240@vicorp.com>,
chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes: 
> I'm about to overhaul my SuperGlide chainrings (as well as the chain
> and cassette).  Originally, I was going to purchase Sugino rings,
> because they seem to be of decent quality and not too expensive - I
> don't want to go back to SuperGlide because they wore down extremely
> quickly, and I don't find any great advantage to the pre-worn teeth.
> 
> But is Sugino the best choice?  There are a number of high quaility
> mtb chainrings on the market.  Which are the best?  Do the stainless
> steel versions perform well.
 

I recently replaced the two smaller superglide chainrings on my mtb
with a 24 tooth stainless NINJA and a 36 tooth stainless ONZA. I left
my 46 tooth SG alone since it wasn't nearly as badly worn as the other
two.
I paid about $3 more for the stainless steel in hopes of avoiding tooth
deformation/wearing and hopefully a much longer lifespan than the 2 seasons
I had on the alloy.
So far they are working great, and they seem stiffer when pounded on. They 
do weigh more, but its not something you notice while covered in 20 lbs
of mud.

-Todd.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Flash: Andy Hampsten Wins [Sunday] Stage & Greg Lemond QUITS TdF
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:55:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Jul21.205538.23617
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Dennis Davis (ccsdhd@gdt.bath.ac.uk) writes:

> Our TV coverage of this stage showed Andy doing a lot of work on the
> final climb and all the other riders gradually cracking under the
> pace.

When the group of five hit the slopes I wondered if Andy was "on" that day, 
or just hanging in. It didn't take long to find out, as the other started 
to bob and weave, while Andy rode smoothly upward. His repeated short sharp 
attacklets to knock off Vona were magnificent, and splendidly covered by 
the cameras.


> No, that is third place, tailing Indurain by 8m 1s.  Chiappucci is
> second, trailing Indurain by 1m 42s.  Pascal Lino, who has been
> something of a revelation, is in fourth place just 1m 15s behind Andy
> Hampsten.

One of the great stories of the Tour, like Chiappucci's in 1990.


> Lino could still finish in the top three places on final
> classification in Paris, as could several other riders.  Andy
> Hampsten's weakness is his time trialling.  He could yet lose his
> third slot in the final individual time trial.  Both Lino and Bugno,
> who is still fifth overall, are close enough to him on time to take
> back the difference in the time trial.  Pedro Delgado is in sixth
> slot, some 3m 37s behind Hampsten.  It is just possible he could
> overhaul Andy.

Then again, Andy will be well motivated. Certainly Bugno can pull back two 
minutes, but it's well possible that Andy will hold off Lino and Delgado, 
though this would unfortunately leave him in 4th place. Andy had best 
attempt to buy some more time in the next few stages. Look for him to 
follow an attack with Chiappucci or Roche.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
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From: chris@athena.mit.edu (Chris Murphy)
Subject: Re: Bike prices in Bay Area vs Boston
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:14:50 GMT

Just for reference, the Bicycle Exchange is no longer open in Harvard
Square, they are now a much smaller store just past Porter Square on
Massachusetts Avenue.  You may want to add Ace Wheelworks and Belmont
Wheelworks to your shopping lists.

Christopher Murphy, N1HQL   |    
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From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: Are You a Bikaholic?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
	<92205.093018RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
	<1992Jul28.170232.9695@waikato.ac.nz>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:50:55 GMT


You know you are an bikaholic when your wife tells you that after a
long ride, you are still trying to spin in your sleep.

--

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:07:37 GMT

meinel@aerospace.aero.org (Ed Meinel) writes:

>What happened to teamwork in this race (except for the Australians -- way 
>to go!)? Each time a US rider went down, none of her teammates dropped 
>back to help. They were expected to ITT their way back to the peloton.

Yes, I noticed that no one came back to get Inga Thompson after she fell.
I assume from this happening that the riders are pretty much on their
own and this in not treated as a team event. The opening chapter
in the Phinney/Carpenter book seems to confirm this fact as Twigg and
Carpenter treated each other as primary rivals in the '84 Olympics.

Maybe it was the bad coverage, but I thought the women raced extremely 
conservatively. There were a few attempted attacks, but none in the
final lap when I would have expected attack upon attack. I mean this
is a 1 shot deal - why save anything? When Longo finally decided to chase
the Australian, nobody went with her! Longo was handing someone a silver
medal leadin if they were willing to jump on her wheel. Perhaps the
pace had been just too hard for anyone to attack by then. I was glad
the Austrailan rider won since she is the only one that showed a burning
desire to win the race.

jim
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,ott.general
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:46:18 GMT


In article <rjg.712346442@guinan>, rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
> The Ottawa bike paths have an interesting obstacle that the streets do not,
> pedestrians! 
> 
> Pedestrians have this amazing ability to suddenly move in a direction at
> right angles to their previous course. On a bike path that is 2m wide at best
> this movement can cause problems.
> 
[other interesting points deleted]
> 

I thought I would add my two cents on this issue, because I have found a system
that seems to work in preventing bike path accidents (at least for me so far,
touch wood).  The method I use actually comes from my days when I used to
XC ski and from my downhill racing days.  Back in those days, I tended to be
one of the faster objects on the XC trails or on the downhill slopes (much like
a cyclist on a bike path).  I found that if I am going to be passing someone
slower (cyclist or pedestrian) that I call out the side on which I plan to 
pass them at least 5-10m before I get to them.  "On your right" or "on your
left" if given enough time, let's them know your there and what your intentions
are, while also giving them time to react.

If someone is approaching the bike path, is wandering all over it or is riding/
walking two abreast, I call out "track" (easy word to say when you're panting)
at least 10-20m before them.  I found that this (if done loud enough) is usually
all that is required to have them pay attention to you and get out of your way
or at least make it easier for you to get by.

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From: psierra@dit.upm.es (Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando)
Subject: gold medal for Spain
Organization: Dept. Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos, UPM, Madrid, Spain.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:49:05 GMT

Hello world!

Following with spanish success in bicycles, yesterday Jose Manuel Moreno
actually world champion in 1 Km TT, won the gold medal with a new olimpic
record 1m 3s.

Pedro
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