From: rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN (Sikh-Hindu Solution at the end of article ;-) 
Organization: Project Pilgrim, Umass
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:17:04 GMT

In article <BxDFuo.6G5@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet Singh) writes:
|> > |> What about the pain of killing 10,000 Sikhs during the 1984 riots.?
|> > 
|> > 	I am not sure of the number and anyways I believe that every
|> > 	human life is sacred...so 1 killed or 10,000 killed...the pain 
|> > 	should be the same.
|> > 
|> > 	You brought up a good question here........Indeed, the demand 
|> > 	for Khalistan is to ease away (in your words) "the pain of
|> > 	killing 10,000 Sikhs during the 1984 riots". I respect your
|> > 	feelings towards the stupid (sorry...my vocabulary is limited) 
|> > 	killings in 1984. BUT !!! If you are *any* good at mathematics,
|> > 	I would HIGHLY appreciate if you could also post the numbers on
|> > 	the number of innocents massacared in Punjab (and other states
|> > 	too) by these "We_want_Khalistan Terrorists" !!! While compiling
|> > 	the list (or numbers) please keep in mind that the killings of
|> > 	innocents in Punjab have been going on for last 10 years (1982) or
|> > 	so AND *on an average* about 30 people are killed DAILY !!!! (my
|> > 	averages might be waaaayy-off). Please do the arithmatic and let
|> > 	us know about the total numbers. While you are at it, also go
|> > 	into *that* portion of your heart which felt the pain of the 
|> > 	killings of 10,000 sikhs in 1984 and see if you feel the same 
|> > 	pain for the _________ (fill in the numbers yourself) innocents
|> > 	killed by the terrorists in last 10 years!!
|>         
|>  --> According to your formula for calculating how many people have died
|> in Punjab in the past ten years comes out to be 109500.  That is 30
|> people a day, multiply, by 365 days in a year (not counting any leap year),
|> multiply again by 10.  10 is the number of years(1992-1982).  So according
|> to your formula the terrorists have killed 99,500 more people.  Now I 
								   ^^^^^^^
|> think its time for the govt to get even since the number of Hindu's killed
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|> is way ahead.  So when do u think the next riots are going to take place
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> againts the Sikhs.  Better start to act soon, life is short!!.  The pain was 
|> there for the people getting killed in Punjab, but now why should I care?
|> The govt should have known that taking 'panga' with 
|> Sikhs means taking a headache for life.  Now the govt has to come up with
|> a solution that stops the killing in Punjab.    
|

	I wonder if it was ESP (extra sensory perception) which told me when
	I posted my earlier reply that you, somehow, were going to misinterpret
	(intentionally ot unintentionally) my reply and come up with the smart (?)
	reply of your own like above. If it was intentional, you are truly a 
	retarded person who need to consult his Psyc. immediately. On the other
	hand if it was ignorance to distort my word, then read them again and see
	that I had also mentioned (the part you didnot include in your post) that
	I am NOT justifying the killings of Sikhs by comparing them with the
	numbers of innocents (who, FYKI, happen to be Hindus AND Sikhs AND anyone
	else) killed in Punjab. 
  

> 
|> > |> Did u ever feel any pain for them??.  I really felt that i was part
|> > |> of the nation before those riots that were arranged by Rajiv Gandu and
|> > |> his M.P's, many of whom are still in power.  That's what u call a 
|> > |> nation who just kill their own people.  I was there in New Delhi during 
|> > |> the riots and I know how i feel.  So u should stop acting so patriotic
|> > |> and shut up.  What were u doing during those Riots of 1984??
|> > 		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> > 
|> > 	If you ask *me*....I was as scared as any sikh (eventhough I 
|> > 	am a hindu !) and was trying to make sure that none of the
|> > 	rioters harm my family!!! Did you really think that the rioters
|> > 	in general were after sikhs ? (of course the Cong(I) MP's etc.
|> > 	were...but I am talking about the "others"). Man! if you were in
|> > 	Delhi (as you say you were), you should have peeked into the house of
|> > 	your next door neighbour (if he was hindu) and see that he was in
|> > 	a similar danger as anyone else.
|>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|>  -->    That is a bunch of bull. The hindu's were roaming on the streets like
|> kings.  Don't tell me that they were in the same danger, because I was there.

	Your problem Harpreet is as following:

		Let, P = {set of all dirty politicians}
		     G = {set of alll Goonda elements}
		     H = {set of all hindus}

	Then your thinking tells *you* that,

	       H = (or subset) P + G    (all Hindus = all Goondas and Politicians)

	although it should be P + G subset of H (and many more religions)

	Man! you think those guys"roaming freely" on the streets were all Hindus ?
	Couldn't you see that those guys were a bunch of Politicians and
	goondas who, BTW, don't follow any damn religion (yes! by birth they tend
	to belong to one religion or the other) !!! 

|>  
|> > 
|> > |> 
|> > |> There is nothing wrong in asking for KHALISTAN, and God willing we we'll
|> > |> get it in my life time.  Why stay in India where u never know when u can
|> >                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> > |> be killed by the people in power.  Why were there no riots when Rajiv
|> >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> > 
|> > 	Are you in India ?  If *you* don't wanna stay in India....don't !!
|> > 	Why in the hell do you wanna separate India AND impose your own
|> > 	philosophy on the general populace of Punjab, huh ? 
|>     
|>     --> I am not imposing my philosophy on anyone.  It's just the Sikhs u have
|> meet don't have the guts to say how they feel.  I have the guts so i am 
|> saying how i feel.  Got a problem with that buddy?

	It's funny when you say that cuz what you are saying is that only a bunch
	of Sikhs have guts (no offense intended).  Yes! I *do* have a lot of Sikh
	friends and (like some other poster said of Greater Kailash II), we also
	formed groups to ensure safety of the Sikh brothers in our colony. But 
	guess what ? People in *my* colony were also scared shit about themselves
	too...even though they were non-Sikhs !! 

	BTW, *I* do not have any problems with "your having the guts to say what
	what you feel" ? Hell, *I* am saying what I feel. You don't need "guts" to
	say how you feel about something...at least not in US :-) 



|>      
|> > 
|> > 	As far as your other question goes, there were no riots when Rajiv
|> > 	"Gandu" died because, as far as *my* memory stretches, I still
|> > 	cannot recall if some prominent person with the name of "Rajiv Gandu"
|> > 	esisted in India whose death should have resulted (as you expect)
|> > 	in riots !!! 
|> 
|>     --> For Hindu's any person whose last name is 'Gandhi' is a great person.
|> The Congress party wanted to make Sonia Gandhi and then Priyanka Gandhi the
|> leader of the party.  That's the limit of stupidity.
|> 
|> If u don't know something just ask me, there was 'Mohandas Karmachand Gandhi'
|> before, with his effort he gave independence to India and became 'Mahatama
|> Gandhi'.  The only Gandhi that I would refer to as a good person.  Then there
|> was 'Indira Gandhi'.  All of a sudden she just loses it and attacks the Golden
|> Temple, after she had supported Bhindrawale .  So from Indira Gandhi ji she
|> became 'Indira Gandu'.  She was okay until the attack.  Well the last 
|> remaining one was Rajiv Mr.Clean Gandhi Ji.  But he goes beserk after Indira
|> Gandu's death and orders riots against Sikhs.  So then he becomes 'Rajiv 
|> Mr. BloodBath Gandu'.  For Hindu's Rajiv Gandhi became even more great after
|> the Riots, that could be seen with the majority he got in the '84 elections.

	Chh! chh! chh! I would refrain from sinking to your level. No comments on
	the names of the Sikh leaders who fully supported (and are still
	supporting) the endless killing of masses in Punjab and elsewhere. No
	"politician" is good (keep in mind that Mahatama Gandhi was no politician)
	and the same applies to Sikh leaders too.


|> 
|> **********
|> Solution:
|> ***********
|> 
|> Rajiv Gandhu did do one good thing in life that he could have used to 
|> solve the Sikh-Hindu problem.  The good thing is her daughter 'Priyanka Gandhi'
|> (I am not using Gandu for her, she's nice).  He should have married his
|> daughter to a Sikh guy.  How about me, I am a Sikh and only 21.  If Soniaji is
|> reading this then give it a thought,  or mayebe Rahul Gandhi is reading this
|> newsgroup at Harvard (correct me on that).  All things would have ended ;-). 
|> What do u guys think?? Isn't that a good enough Solution?  
|> 
|> BTW someone asked me where university of Waterloo is.  It is in Canada and 
|> not in UK.  It's an hours drive from Toronto.  BTW do u know where Toronto is?
|> If not, it's the home of WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS TORONTO BLUE JAYS! eh!. 
|> America's game, ya right!. 
|> 
|> **Don't start commenting that I am of bad character or something else just
|> because i talked about Priyanka Gandhi.  You could be talking to the 
|> husband of the next Prime Minister Priyanka Gandhi.  Be careful!** ;-) 

	All I can say is......allllllllllllll the effect of allllll your previous
	postings has been nullified by your so called "solution"...... If you had
	stated that "Priyanka getting married to a Sikh guy" as a solution, fine.
	But you *had* to add yourself :-) chh! chh! chh! A "grown-up" person
	wouldnot say something like this for *anyone's* sister/daughter (your tone
	conveyed the idea of bad taste, that's why), and you are saying this about
	a guy who is no longer alive ! Shame....on you. 

	BTW, the only reason I started responding to your postings was because
	they had the makings of a good intelligent discussion, but not anymore.
	You have shown that even *you* are not serious about Khalistan !!! :-) 
	(read your last posting again and you will see what I mean). So this is it
	as far as this thread (by YOU) goes for me.....Ciao guy/gal (in all
	seriousness, I can't figure out if Harpreet is a guy's name or a woman's
	cuz I have two Sikh friends in India whose names are also Harpreet AND 
	Harpreet......but one is a guy...the other is a woman....so no offense to
	you)...

|> 
|> Harpreet Singh
|> hsingh@cayley


	aDiOs aMiGoS,

	rAjAt.
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