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From: jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Routing Help
Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:43:58 GMT

kenk@algedi.ampr.org (Ken Koster) writes:

>Multiple hostnames are not really necessary.  If you check the appropriate
>RFC's the proper domain entry is:

>Using my system as an example:

>algedi.ampr.org     IN  A   44.24.101.45
>                    IN  A   44.24.103.45

>NOS handles this just fine.

That's interesting, and I'd never thought of it (I've never seen in in
any of the amprnet domain files I've seen).  One question, though -- if
I am

foobar.ampr.org		IN	A	44.24.101.55
			IN	A	44.24.103.55

and I do "telnet algedi", which subnet is used?  It seems this would
cause problems in areas where several users might be on both subnets;
that's much more likely to happen in the ham environment than on the
internet.
-- 
John R. Ackermann, Jr.        Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio
(513) 445-2966		      John.Ackermann@daytonoh.ncr.com
Packet Radio: ag9v@n8acv      tcp/ip: ag9v@ag9v.ampr [44.70.12.34]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: kb7uv@panix.com (Andy Funk)
Subject: Re: FT-23 Mods for Packet Operation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:55:14 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Nov19.225100.29883@borland.com> garnet@borland.com (Garnet Chaney) writes:

>In article <9211190934.aa06645@ece.iisc.ernet.in> lucky@ece.iisc.ernet.IN writes:
>>
>>
>>Here is a mod which you can try out to get your FT-23 working on
>>packet. The FT-23 handie has an auto-save feature which cannot
>>be disabled from the keyboard. Hence, a tendency to loose
>>incoming packets sometimes. Jumper 10 on the control board is used
>>for the SAVE feature. Disabling this jumper is all you need to
>>do to shut off the auto-save and get on packet.
>>
>>73 de Lucky, VU2LBW
>>
>>lucky@ece.iisc.ernet.in
>>

>Wouldn't a simpler fix be to set the squelch so that it is always open?
>Radios dont go into auto-save if the squelch is open, and the TNC can
>tell the difference between noise and packets, so everything should
>work just fine if you dont plan on listening to the output of the radio
>by ear. 

>- Garnet   KC6YKE


Garnet's suggestions is excellent, but whether it will work or not depends
upon the TNC one is using.

Some TNCs support open-squelch operation, some don't, and some do with an
add-in board (for example -- PacComm's DCD upgrade board which works with
many manufacturers TNCs).  When operating open-squelch many TNCs will
"false" on the noise, generating Data Carrier Detect (DCD), and inhibiting
transmit.

I have successfully used my FT-23 and FT-73 HTs on packet, open squelch,
with my Paccomm Tiny-2s with the DCD upgrade.

So, give it a try -- but if your packet station doesn't transmit even when
the frequency is clear you might look into getting a DCD upgrade for your
TNC. 

-Andy-
-- 
    Andrew Funk, KB7UV                     Internet: kb7uv@panix.com
    ENG Editor/Microwave                     Packet: kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa
    WCBS-TV Channel 2 News                      BBS: 718-956-7133
From: dbm@cats.njit.edu (Dean McDermott - WB2CMN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: M-8000
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:39:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Nov16.023953.3402
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Wanted, info on Universal M-8000. I would like to hear from anyone that has used one. Do you like it? etc.
From: segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: THENET X1H Kit Location ??
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:09:22 GMT
Reply-To: segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com
Organization: Me and only Me


Greetings,

Does anyone know where I can ftp the latest THENet X1H kit from?

Thanks in advance............

--
Bob Segrest
segrest@dc101.enet.dec.com
From: Geoffrey_C._Williams.Wbst207V@xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: ARPA
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:48:29 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
Reply-To: G4JJO.Wbst207V@xerox.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I have just recently started reading this group just exactly what are the
"gateways to packet" ie how does one access them are they two way etc. Its
probably a FAQ but I can`t FTP
Cheers
 _________________________________________________________________

 Geoff C. Williams,     Xerox Corp, Webster,  NY14580
 Internet   G4JJO.WBST207V@Xerox.COM
_________________________________________________________________
From: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Standard for TNC/Radio cables
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:33:13 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: nemesis.ksu.ksu.edu

ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes:

>Is this related, or completely a parallel to the COBRA radio interface
>standards going on the the UK?  Does anyone stateside have a copy of this.
>The only lead I have for getting the specification is by sending international
>bank drafts to the UK which seems like more trouble than it's worth.

The packet connector standard was submitted by me a few years ago as
a 'concept'.  To my knowledge, no one has ever really done a packet
connector this way.  I may start developing something more concrete
if there seems to be a need.

I am interested in hearing more about the COBRA standard you mentioned.
Could you give us details?

-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: sbrown@charon.dseg.ti.com (Steve Brown)
Subject: Re: PACKET ON LANDLINE BBS'S?
Organization: Really Just Me at Texas Instruments Inc.
	<1992Nov20.004349.29316@brainiac.mn.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:59:38 GMT

Jeffrey R. Comstock writes:

>Hell, why restrict it to licensed amateurs ? As long as you are around
>to be the "control op", and you aren't violating third party agreements,
>any schmuck could use it.  Sometimes I rig up my PK232 to be driven
>directly from a modem, and let a non-licensed person play around with
>it.  It is a good way to introduce people to amateur/packet radio.

In general, I agree, however, there is an implication in 

"As long as you are around to be the "control op"" 

that you are also monitoring what is being "said."  At any rate,
it's your license, not mine.
--
              *********************************************
              |  Steve Brown, WD5HCY         | Simplicate |
              |  sbrown@charon.dseg.ti.com   | and add    |
              |  wd5hcy@n5ldd.#dfw.tx.usa.na | lightness. |
              |  (214) 575-3597              |            |
              |  MSG:SBRN                    |    - Bill  |
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From: dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Maximum packet length and Pt. 97
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:49:29 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <9211161600.AA03481@tix.timeplex.com> roman@tix.timeplex.COM (Daniel Roman) writes:
>I've heard as part of HAM radio folklore that the maximum legal packet
>length is 256 bytes.  I've had a hard time believing this after looking
>through FCC pt. 97 rules or the ARRL version with expanded explanations.
>It would seem to me that if you wanted to, you could set up a full
>duplex link transmitting/receiving a continuous stream of data as long
>as the system(s) ID every 10 minutes.  This is intended only as an
>extreme example, not necessarily a practical one.
>
>I've combed through the rules throughly (I think) and can't find
>anything to stop me from using let's say a 4K packet size simplex to 
>another station set up to do the same.  Anyone have concrete info?



Part 97.109(e) specifies that AX.25 version 2.0, 0ctober 1984 must be
used  for automatic forwarding of third party traffic.  I can't find my
AX.25 reference, but I would the only *legal* restriction on packet
size would stem from adherence to the AX.25 v2 spec. This only applies
when automatically forwarding third party traffic, of course.

Dana
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 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (310) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: jrc@brainiac.mn.org (Jeffrey Comstock)
Subject: Re: PACKET ON LANDLINE BBS'S?
Organization: Sewer of Source Code
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:43:49 GMT

In article <9211161607.AA00418@ccsi.com> npalomba@crystal.ccsi.COM (Nicholas Palomba, Crystal Computer Systems Inc.) writes:
>I was asked a question the other day that I couldn't answer. Could a  
>SYSOP of a landline BBS install a "DOOR" that would allow "LICENCED  
>AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS" access a packet gateway through him/her? The  
>sysop being a "LICENCED AMATEUR RADIO OPERATOR" of course.
>
>-Nick KA1NIP

Hell, why restrict it to licensed amateurs ? As long as you are around
to be the "control op", and you aren't violating third party agreements,
any schmuck could use it.  Sometimes I rig up my PK232 to be driven
directly from a modem, and let a non-licensed person play around with
it.  It is a good way to introduce people to amateur/packet radio.


-- 
Jeffrey R. Comstock 
HOME  jrc@brainiac.mn.org
CW    -. .-. ----- -..
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Routing Help
Originator: andyw@aspen32
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:23:15 CST


In article <BxnxxH.4BL@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann) writes:
> braun@kadsma.kodak.com (Curtis Braun) writes:
> 
> >There has been a recent question as to what to about
> >sunetting and routing for IP routing for ham radio.
> >I suggested that we subnet (on a psuedo class C subnet) our
> >44.69.0.0 network for upstate NY. Most of our participants
> >don't understand routing techniques and think that I
> >am all wet. There are three schools of thought.
> >1	 continue on, (they're assigning 44.69.0.x for all
> >	of upstate on a per node basis now.
> >2	subnet each county and preassign a network number to
> >	each. Therefore  Rochester would have 44.69.7.0
> >	(Monroe County) and Syracuse area (County it's in)
> >	would have 44.69.9.0, etc.
> >3	Assign subnets based on need. First come first serve for
> >	each area (switch as they call it, router to me).
> 
> [Ohio experience deleted...]

In the Mpls/St. Paul metro area, we went through the pains of subnetting
about 1 year ago. We subnetted by frequency (we reasoned that a frequency
was roughly equivalent to a network, even though it may not be 100%
fully connected.) For instance we use 44.94.249.x/24 for the 1200 baud
frequency where most IP activity occurs. The routing tables are much
more manageable now, and a little education on how & when to use RIP (and
when not to) worked wonders. We tried RSPF, but everywhere it would
have been useful, it couldn't be used, since it didn't work on
more than 1 port at the time.. Some observations :-

When giving out IP numbers you get really strange looks when you ask
what frequency someone intends to use.

Don't rely on an MSYS node as a gateway to a subnet. Currently it
does not support multiple IP addresses, and the routing is still
done by hardcoding the arp table.

I don't want to give the impression that it's perfect, but I believe
subnetting really pays off - It's best to do it as early as possible,
you feel a little stupid making a subnet for 2 stations, but it's
easier to change when there are fewer (probably more motivated) people
involved..

Hope this helps.
-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
From: dchen.wbst129@xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Is there a FAQ for packet radio?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:13:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: Xerox."18-Nov-92.16:13:44.EST".*.Daniel_C._Chen.Wbst129
Reply-To: dchen.wbst129@xerox.com
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu


Hello,

  I've been wanting to get into packet radio, but I have so many questions,
that I wouldn't know where to start.  Is there a FAQ list that I could read
about for packet radio to get started?

  Thanks,
   Dan
From: kenk@algedi.ampr.org (Ken Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Routing Help
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:06:09 PST
Organization: WETNET - The Washington Experimenters Tcp/ip NETwork

In article <By0s4p.7qH@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann) writes:
> Steve_Wright@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Wright) writes:
>
> >>
> >>It's great to use rough geographical bounds to define address groupings,
> >>but remember that radio waves don't obey borders.  By definition, a
> >>network consists of stations that can reach each other (and therefore in
> >>most places 44.xx <ain't> a network!).  Subnets should be assigned based
> >>on connectivity, not geography.

...

> We treat different frequencies as different subnets, so if (as in my
> area) you have a 2M freq and a UHF one, each is a distinct subnet and
> multi-port users have a different address on each port.  It works quite
> well, though it means that such users also have multiple hostnames.

Multiple hostnames are not really necessary.  If you check the appropriate
RFC's the proper domain entry is:

Using my system as an example:

algedi.ampr.org     IN  A   44.24.101.45
                    IN  A   44.24.103.45

NOS handles this just fine.

>
> I'm assuming that we take our networks as we find them.  Hidden
> transmitters are a problem no matter what address assignment scheme you
> use.  But FWIW, here in Dayton we <are> using a full-duplex repeater on
> our 19.2kB UHF network to avoid this problem.  It works very well.
>
> I was not implying that local traffic on the subnet would be routed
> through the switch (which would be less efficient than a digipeater),
> but rather that the switch would offer a natural central point around
> which the subnet would revolve.  Users who can reach each other directly
> would certainly do so.  Ideally, the subnet would be small enough, or
> would use a repeater, to ensure that everyone could hear everyone else.

This is a key point, keep the subnet small enough that the users have a
good chance of hearing each other.  Most of the time using a 4000+ foot
hill for a simplex subnet is counter-productive.

Here in the Seattle area we've been lucky enough to enlist the support of
USWest NewVector and obtain permission to use some of the Cellular radio
sites.  They have the same requirements for cell size that we do for subnet
size.  So far it would appear to be a near perfect marriage. :-)

>
> That's the whole point -- SUBNETS SHOULD BE BASED ON CONNECTIVITY!!!
> (sorry for shouting).
>
> John

Sometimes the shouting is necessaary. :-)  (at the very least - cathartic )

--

73's,  Ken

W   W EEEEE TTTTT N    N EEEEE TTTTT  : Ken Koster
W   W E       T   NN   N E       T    :
W W W EEEE    T   N N  N EEEE    T    : PBBS: N7IPB@N7IPB
WW WW E       T   N  N N E       T    :
W   W EEEEE   T   N   NN EEEEE   T    : AMPR: kenk@algedi.ampr.org [44.24.101.45]
                                      :
Washington Experimenters TCP NETwork  : UUCP: algedi!kenk@Data-IO.com
From: asqp-nbf@zama-emh1.army.mil (ASQP-NBF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: KAM
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:50:34 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Question.
I was told the other day that TAPR has a modification that optimizes
the KAM for HF operations.
Does anyone know anything about the mod or a telephone/email etc
that I can contact to find out about the mod?

Thanks
de Roland 7J1AKI/WF4P
From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: FAQ? FAQ? FAQ?
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:33:04 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Is there a FAQ for this group?
Could it be posted or emailed to me?
Thanks in advance.

-matt
From: npalomba@crystal.ccsi.COM (Nicholas Palomba, Crystal Computer Systems Inc.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: PACKET ON LANDLINE BBS'S?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:07:16 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I was asked a question the other day that I couldn't answer. Could a  
SYSOP of a landline BBS install a "DOOR" that would allow "LICENCED  
AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS" access a packet gateway through him/her? The  
sysop being a "LICENCED AMATEUR RADIO OPERATOR" of course.

-Nick KA1NIP
From: npalomba@uu2.psi.COM (Nicholas Palomba, Crystal Computer Systems Inc.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Looking for a Packet Elmer....
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:48:24 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Could someone please help me with some advanced packet questions...

-Nick KA1NIP

nick@ccsi.com


***Still waiting for my new call

***Just catching a little R&R...Rest and Radio...
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Gracilis listserv ???  
From: Steve_Wright@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Wright)
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:13:49 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

six months ago I subscribed to the listserv for Gracilis' products but haven't
heard a thing from it.  Do these products go so well that no one asks any  
questions  ?  :-)  
  
 Does the listserv still exist ?  I've lost the email address ...  
  
  
Digitally,  
Steve - ZL1BHD
From: young@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (Norm Young)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Mailing List?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:17:01 GMT
Reply-To: young@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Distribution: na
Organization: Communication Research Centre

I have a friend who doesn't have access to this news group but is an amateur who
is into packet radio and would like to know if there is a mailing list for
pakcet radio.  He does have an E-Mail address.

Please E-Mail any replies as I don't check this group regularly.

Thanks,

Norm Young
young@uranus.dgrc.doc.ca

Keywords: 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Clement Vaillancourt)
Subject: Re: BayPac TNC/Modem
Reply-To: vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.caIn article 92Nov18182659@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu, 
Organization: Hydro-Quebec, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:23:00 GMT

kingpin@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth) writes:
>Has anyone heard of the BayPac BP-1 or something like that?
>I saw it in the back of QEX magazine, and it is supposed to
>be a 1200 baud modem/TNC.. this thing is SMALL (the size of
>a RS232 converter plug), and only costs $50.. Has anyone heard anything
>about this? I figure I should try to get some feedback on this
>model before I buy it.. It seems like a deal to me.. Thanks!
>
>			- Joe
I boutght one and it came with the Baycom 1.4 software. It works fine.
Yesterday I tried version 1.5a on it and it works very well also.

I am using it with an old pc xt (Phillips). The disadvantage of this setup is
that you have to leave the pc on all time if you want to receive mail.
Clem.

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   Analyste,                         |    Varennes, P. Quebec, Canada, J3X 1S1
   Division Informatique scientifique| Tel:+1 514 652 8238 Fax:+1 514 652 8309
   vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca          |  Radio-amateur: VE2HQJ@VE2CSC.PQ.CAN.NA
From: john@goshawk.mcc.ac.uk (John Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: AmigaNOS 2.9j
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:22:32 GMT
Reply-To: john@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <9211161547.AA03318@tix.timeplex.com>, roman@tix.timeplex.COM (Daniel Roman) writes:
|> I'm looking to get the most recent version of AmigaNOS but John's system
|> [130.88.202.27] that was mentioned in his announcement either has been
|> down frequently or I can't get there from here.   Would someone who has
|> managed to obtain it please put it on ucsd.edu or tell me where I can
|> get it?
|> -- 
|> ____________________________________________________________________
|> Dan Roman           |     ///      Internet:  roman@tix.timeplex.com
|> Ascom Timeplex Inc. | \\\///                        GEnie:  D.ROMAN1
|> Woodcliff Lake, NJ  |  \XX/ Only AMIGA!     Homebrew is better brew.
|> ====================================================================

I have been having a few problems with the RM packet drivers, which has
caused my PC to hang.  I have made a copy of the amiganos directory on
dir.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.4] as pub/amiga.

John
-- 
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      MCC Network Unit, The University, Oxford Road, Manchester,  M13-9PL
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                   Packet: G1YYH @ G1YYH.GB7TCP.#16.GBR.EU
From: pme@lysator.liu.SE
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: FTP site of X-1G  or X-1H needed!
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:07:48 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Im looking for a FTP site where i can find TheNET X-1G och X-1H!
Archie don't find it ! Where should i look ?

/sm5ohi, Peter.
From: Bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: BayPac TNC/Modem
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:21:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California

In article <KINGPIN.92Nov18182659@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu>  
kingpin@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth) writes:
> Has anyone heard of the BayPac BP-1 or something like that?
> I saw it in the back of QEX magazine, and it is supposed to
> be a 1200 baud modem/TNC.. this thing is SMALL (the size of
> a RS232 converter plug), and only costs $50.. Has anyone heard anything
> about this? I figure I should try to get some feedback on this
> model before I buy it.. It seems like a deal to me.. Thanks!
> 
> 			- Joe

I bought one at a local ARRL division convention recently. They are
manufactured by Tigertronics from the BayCom (a German packet club)
design. I use it with a TI laptop and Alinco DJ-580.

It works fine. The difference between this and a $100 TNC is that the
BayPac doesn't have an HDLC controller. It uses software in the PC to
simulate the HDLC chip. Because this puts heavy real-time requirements
on the PC, you won't be able to run it in Windows. It also won't work
with terminal programs that weren't designed for the BayCom-designed  
modem.
			Bruce KD6OTD
From: roman@tix.timeplex.COM (Daniel Roman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: AmigaNOS 2.9j
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:47:53 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I'm looking to get the most recent version of AmigaNOS but John's system
[130.88.202.27] that was mentioned in his announcement either has been
down frequently or I can't get there from here.   Would someone who has
managed to obtain it please put it on ucsd.edu or tell me where I can
get it?
-- 
____________________________________________________________________
Dan Roman           |     ///      Internet:  roman@tix.timeplex.com
Ascom Timeplex Inc. | \\\///                        GEnie:  D.ROMAN1
Woodcliff Lake, NJ  |  \XX/ Only AMIGA!     Homebrew is better brew.
====================================================================