From: mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Capital Suicide (was Real Farms)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:39:53 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <FKITTRED.92Sep11093301@spchp11.BBN.COM> fkittred@spchp11.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.041332.13835@news.iastate.edu> mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy) writes:
>>   In article <FKITTRED.92Sep10134034@spchp11.BBN.COM> fkittred@spchp11.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge) writes:
>>   >In article <BuD2LF.7s5@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong) writes:
>>>
>>>>   From: bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong)
>>>
>>>>   100 years ago, most people had much more appreciation and respect for
>>>>   agriculture than they do now.  About 80% (at least in my area) of the
>>>>   population (and therefore 80% of the politicians and economists) came
>>>>   from a rural background.
>>>
>>>They appreciated agriculture alright.  They knew agricultural labor
>>>was a backbreaking, dangerous and economcially and intellectually
>>>unrewarding life.  The vast majority were extrodinarily glad to get
>>>off the farm, even if it meant working in some factory on an assembly
>>>line.
>>This is a line of BS about 80 rods long.  The pride of working the land and
>>feeding the world.  I am planning to return to the farm. Got a problem with
>>that???
>
>We were discussing why there was a mass migration from agriculture to
>other labor during the period between 1850 and 1950.  I was pointing
>out that agricultural labor was backbreaking, dangerous and
>economically and intellectually unrewarding during that period.  You
>replied with a complete non-sequitor about your personal experiences
>in the current period.  Your statements have nothing to do with the
>discussion.

My point was no personal.  It is very safe I you have half a brain.  It is
also very profitable last year we cleared $200,000 +, Now thats a profit.

>>To tell you the truth the Government does more to keep consumer prices down
>>than farm prices up.
>
>So why do we not drop farm subsidies and import duties on food?
>Explain  to me the mechanism were subsidies and tariffs lower the
>prices on foods.
>
They is very few inport tariffs on food since we produc the most and export the
most
>
>> Considering that is all goverment was removed from the dairy industry (as an
>> eample) Our price for milk would hit  $25/cwt and your would be $10 / gallon.
>> So to sum this up Don't cuss the farmer with your MOUTH FULL.
>
>I don't believe you. It is a little hard to understand what you are
>saying.  Your reply is mostly confusing sentence fragments, not
>sentences.  Could you rephrase this again in English?  I am interested
>in the subject and have some economics background.  Could you explain
>further?
>
>By the way, I think your statement about farmers and full mouths
>demonstrates a lack of understanding about the way economies work.
>the same token you should not insult any member of society, since you
>are as dependent on fishermen, autoworkers, doctors, software
>engineers, academics as on farmers.  Farmers whining for special
>privileges makes no more sense than any other group.
>
Farmers never asked for any.  The government just gave them to use.
I know my Ag Econ from front to back, So get the FUCK off my back.


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mpleis@iastate.edu     Mark L. Pleis 
Agricultural Systems Technology, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa