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From: wdechent@usenet.umr.edu (William L. Dechent)
Subject: Re: On Forbidden Lusts
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:54:02 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla

This is in response to the poem which said AIDS was Nature's way of checking
perversion...

Not everyone has the same standards but for the sake of the argument
let's assume that the missionary position between a man and a
woman is not perverse but that oral sex between two people is...

For the poem to be true all participants in oral sex would have to be
potential victims of AIDS; but since there exist celibate people who do not
abhor oral sex between two people (and therefore are not true believers
in the missionary position) and there are people who are monogamous
who practice oral sex (and also are not true believers in the missionary
position) AIDS cannot be labeled a "destroyer of perversion".

Take out oral sex and put in any other physical expression of a bond between
two people which might be called perverse since its not the missionary
position between a man and a woman and "AIDS-the-destroyer-of-perversion" 
fails every time.  Why?  Because as sentient entities humans naturally
recognize threats, from the saber toothed tiger to a virus.  The poem
would have done better to attack promiscuity but then people would start
talking about STD's in general and then the missionary position would no
longer be a safe rock to hide behind.

One last complaint.  In the poem's straw man attack passion seems to be
equated to sex acts.  I presume the author has never loved a member of
the same sex and thus has no way of knowing that the strongest passion
in a same sex relationship has nothing to do with performing sex.  My
apologies to any heterosexual who would instantly argue that their
relationship with an opposite sex person is exactly the same.

I'd like to close this with some powerful words from Christ:
"Love One Another." 
--
William L. Dechent                   Yes, there is a God, and he listens
                                     to U2.
wdechent@clciris.chem.umr.edu        
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From: quilty@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: GayBashing question
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
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In article <C1JA1B.33o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

>Tim, one of the main initiation rituals in gangs is to go FIND a
>white guy and kill/rob/beat him.

This honkey's DELUDED.  Please get him some thorazine before he hurts someone.

Of course, I'd kinda expect as much from someone named "vengeance"...

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From: bickis@skmath3 (M. Bickis)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Request for PC terms
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:45:10 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: skmath3.usask.ca

I am concerned about the prevalence of un-PC terms for various food
products, and I wonder if readers on this group could suggest some PC
alternatives that would not be potentially offensive to certain ethnic
groups.  What would be the PC designations for:

turkey                                    danish pastry
hamburger                                 spanish fly
frankfurter                               black forest cake
wiener                                    black russian
french fries                              neapolitan ice cream
french toast                              vanilla ice cream
english muffin                            chili peppers
hot dog                                   swede
jerusalem artichoke                       polish rape
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From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:51:05 GMT

  I, of course, meant third-person singular when referring to the pronoun
that "on" couldn't replace.  I still can't think of a case where you could
use it instead of "he," only cases where it could be used instead of "one"
or "we."  Of course "on y va" is idiom -- I don't see what that has to do
with it.
  I'm probably wrong.  I'd be interested to hear an example where you could
use "on" instead of  "il".
  Merci...

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From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Letting Gays into the military and Pres. Clinton
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: alt.politics.correct
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:00:02 GMT

bond@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert S. Bond) writes:

>Dear President Clinton:


>	After the election you promised to focus in on the economy "like a 
>laser beam."  So far, you have been in office for almost a week and the things
>you appear to be focusing on are controversial issues such as abortion and
>letting homosexuals into the military.  Perhaps it would be wiser to spend
>your great political capital on something we all can agree on which is 
>improving on the economy.  When that job is done then you can concern yourself
>with the other issues.

	You mean that cleaning up 12 years of conservative crap is not 
good?  Reversing the gag rule and ban on fetal tissue is a very easy
thing to do.  The economy, unfortunately, cannot be fixed with a simple
executive order.  What about his economic council that will have 
a plan for the budget and the economy?  It's supposed to be done in 100
days, with implementation due soon after.  His plans are to get the budget
balanced in 5 years.  Years, we're talking here.  
	Let's see how he does with the economy in the next few months 
instead of harshing him about what he can only get done in a week.

-Mark

--
- Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

Remember: 7 out of 10 people make up 70% of the popualtion

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From: quilty@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism
Subject: Ban a.f.rush-limbaghm Crossposts
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:37:14 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: world
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The three groups mentioned in my header seemed to get a huge number of
almost automatic crossposts to alt.fan.rush-limbaghm.  This brings in
a very BAD element to our "left" groups.  It should be pretty clear
that anyone who's a "fan" of a neo-nazi like RL, is probably not on
the "left"...

So please, for the sake of quality, TAKE THE a.f.r-l LINE OUT OF
EVERYTHING YOU POST TO THESE BOARDS.  Then maybe we can get on with an
intelligent discussion of feminism, homosexual-politics, or politics
in general.

Please send flames via email (respect bandwidth).
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From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:47:08 GMT

In article <JJAS.93Jan20212958@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu> jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson) writes:
>
> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>  French isn't really any less sexist than English.  It's more of an inter-
>national problem...
>
>Languages are not sexist; only a person's attitudes and actions can be
>sexist. One may use "sexist language" but this is a way of speaking
>that is particularly demeaning to one sex or another, not just certain
>words.  Most of the PCers who hope to change peoples' attitudes by
>changing their language are missing the direction of the relationship
>between language and attitude.  A language changes as a result of a
>change in attitude.  Attitudes do not change as a result of a change
>in language.  Such attempted changes are universally rejected.  All
>the PC movement does is attempt to force a certain political agenda
>down the throats of a public that is largely unwilling to accept it.
>(This movement has largely contained itself on college and university
>campuses and its victims have largely been male students who do not
>appreciate the way in which the curriculum has been twisted.)  Such
>rampant political propaganda can only undermine the ultimate goal of
>education, particularly in the "Language Arts" (a term I personally
>despise).  These actions threaten to alienate an entire generation of
>male America and may only, in the end, worsen the problems which the
>movement seeks to solve.
>
>Just another installment of my 1/50 of a dollar.

  The thing is, the relationship between language and attitude is more 
complex than that.  It's simplistic to say that attitude is completely the
product of language (Eskimos have 50 words for "snow," and that's why they
all live up North).  But it's also simplistic to say that language is
entirely created by attitude.  If a language makes certain thoughts easier
to express, both to yourself and to others, then speakers of that language
are more likely to have or hear those thoughts than thoughts that the language
makes difficult or near-impossible to express.  That's why Eastern philosophy
often sounds vague and meaningless in English.  It's more of a vicious circle 
-- thoughts create language, which create thoughts, which create language...

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From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u)
Subject: Re: Where did "womyn" come from?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:56:39 GMT

In article <21685@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>In article <C0yEFu.H02@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u) writes:
>>It disturbs me that women must see themselves as being different from men.
>>Or, for that matter, that men are different from women. Of course we are
>>different, but dwelling on this fact is what provokes gender war. 
>
>If you know that "of course we are different" why does it disturb you?

Reread last line above.

>
>>Being as we all want to see females and males equal,
>>wouldn't the idea of similarities make more sense to expound upon?
>
>Not everyone wants to see females equal to males. Thus, reactions
>like "womyn".

"womyn"--superior to male? I think not. There is no better, no worse--just
different. Of course, nobody sees that...
-- 
Ken Breadner	(brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca)	Wilfrid Laurier University
lunatic		(the BREADbox...) 	Waterloo, Ontario, Canada 
"If you have built your castles in the air, do not despair. That is where
they belong. Now put the foundations under them." --Thoreau
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From: karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik)
Subject: Re: Where did "womyn" come from?
Organization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:56:20 GMT

Why, from Adym's rib, of course.
-- 
"[Objectivity] ruled journalism through most of the campaigns of my lifetime.
But eventually we wised up and dismissed objectivity as a pretentious fantasy
that made stenographers of reporters and produced irresponsible journalism."
Joan Byrd, Washington Post Ombudsman (by Ben Cole, Arizona Republic, 11/18/92)
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From: grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg)
Subject: Re:  Ban a.f.rush-limbaghm Crossposts
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:10:09 GMT

In article <1jrvoaINNn66@titan.ucs.umass.edu>, 
quilty@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters) writes:


>The three groups mentioned in my header seemed to get a huge number of
>almost automatic crossposts to alt.fan.rush-limbaghm.  This brings in
>a very BAD element to our "left" groups.  It should be pretty clear
>that anyone who's a "fan" of a neo-nazi like RL, is probably not on
>the "left"...
>
>So please, for the sake of quality, TAKE THE a.f.r-l LINE OUT OF
>EVERYTHING YOU POST TO THESE BOARDS. Then maybe we can get on with an
>intelligent discussion of feminism, homosexual-politics, or politics
>in general.

I do not usually flame, but I love to flame flames... :)

I have several points to make here.
I am a RL fan, and I am offended by your use of the epithet
"neo-nazi" to describe him. Obviously you either don't know
what Rush's talking about, or you don't know what YOU are
babbling about. 
A neo-nazi... I don't know what to do - flame your posting,
which is not really worth my attention, or laugh at you...
 
Boy, you are funny, you know that? "So please, for the sake of quality, 
TAKE THE a.f.r-l LINE OUT OF EVERYTHING YOU POST TO THESE BOARDS."

What quality? For the sake of what intelligent discussion?
Do you even know what it is that you want? Rush is right, you
cannot take these people seriously.

You want intelligent discussion? Why does the name of one newsgroup
in the Newsgroups line stop you from this?

Don't you know that any "'fan' of a neo-nazi like RL" can
defeat you in such discussion with half his brain tied behind his
back to make it even?

-- 
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| I love the women's movement...| I am pro-choice. I just |
| especially when I am walking  | hope the choice is for  |
| behind it.                    | life.                   |
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From: cg074@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joe C. Rader)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories,alt.activism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: On Forbidden Lusts
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:04:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Yeah, sure!
And what's Nature's wisdom about brain damage?
You should know that well too.
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:49:48 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1993Jan19.205834.4887@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <C116uG.4I2@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan17.230220.3051@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In article <C10quK.n0p@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>>>>(A university professor has lost her job for saying "Indian"
>>>>in her lectures rather than "Native American.")  
>>>
>>>Do you have a cite for this extraordinary claim?
>>>-- 
>>  I knew I would be asked this, and I wish I did.  I first read it in a
>>column in the New York Times about a year ago -- the weekly education 
>>column that's actually written as an advertisment.  I've tried in vain to
>>find it again.
>>  The story, as I recall it, was that the prof. was teaching a class in 
>>aboriginal affairs, and a certain group of students was offended by her
>>use of "Indian."  Without first consulting her, they circulated a petition
>>asking her to stop.  She refused, and they took the matter to the administra-
>>tors, along with a list of claims (many of which they later admitted were
>>false, according to the NYT column).  She was fired (an article I was shown
>>later said that the university had been looking for an excuse to fire her.)
>
>In short, by your own account, the university professor did not lose
>her job for saying "Indian" rather than "Native American."  It hardly
>furthers the debate by spreading misinformation like your first, much
>oversimplified, version of the event.
>
>But lets take a second issue.  Let's say the professor was teaching a
>course in African-American history, and, on a regular basis, used the
>word "nigger" to refer to African-Americans.  Students in the class
>circulate a petition rather than confront the professor individually,
>and present the petition to the prof asking to stop.  The prof refuses.
>The students take the matter to the administration.  We'll leave out
>whether there are other complaints, as there was in the case of the actual 
>professor.  You're the university president.  What's your decision?

There is quite a big difference.  By all measures, Native Americans 
prefer to be called indians.  If Black Americans prefered to be called 
niggers then the connection could be made.

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Where did "womyn" come from?
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:31:15 GMT

In article <C1BzuG.LGG@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u) writes:
>In article <21685@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>In article <C0yEFu.H02@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u) writes:
>>Not everyone wants to see females equal to males. Thus, reactions
>>like "womyn".
>
>"womyn"--superior to male? I think not. There is no better, no worse--just
>different. Of course, nobody sees that...
>-- 

Q.  How many  women does it take to change a lightbulb?


A.  First of all, it's 'womyn', and second of all, it's not funny.


;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-] ;^}:-]

-chris blask
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Request for PC terms
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:39:33 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

In article <1jptdmINNs1f@access.usask.ca> bickis@skmath3 (M. Bickis) writes:
>I am concerned about the prevalence of un-PC terms for various food
>products, and I wonder if readers on this group could suggest some PC
>alternatives that would not be potentially offensive to certain ethnic
>groups.  What would be the PC designations for:
>
>turkey                                    danish pastry
>hamburger                                 spanish fly
>frankfurter                               black forest cake
>wiener                                    black russian
>french fries                              neapolitan ice cream
>french toast                              vanilla ice cream
>english muffin                            chili peppers
>hot dog                                   swede
>jerusalem artichoke                       polish rape

  Sometimes, I can't tell whether people are joking or not.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!!!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:16:23 GMT

In article <93020.31062.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Secondly, you completely misunderstand my point.  We're talking about two
>different pro-choice mentalities here, as follows:
>
>      Mentality (a):  Abortion should be kept safe and legal, and we should
>                      make contraceptives available to minimize the number of
>                      abortions and unwanted children.
>
>      Mentality (b):  Abortion is always the preferred alternative, since it
>                      symbolizes the unilateral power of a woman's decision.
>
>I agree with (a), but not with (b).  Very few people agree with (b).  It is
>those people who agree with (b) who fall into the "feminazi" category according
>to Limbaugh.  Limbaugh says that "only about 25 or 30" people agree with (b).

Really?  Name one.  Be sure to quote them in a situation where they
actually put forward proposition (b).

>I think it's a bit more than that, but it's still a very small minority of
>pro-choice opinion.

Then why does Rush make such a big deal out of attacking these people?
Why not spend more time on the growing threat of Charles Manson, which
is about as relevant?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: bond@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert S. Bond)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Letting Gays into the military and Pres. Clinton
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:37:16 GMT
Distribution: alt.politics.correct
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Dear President Clinton:


	After the election you promised to focus in on the economy "like a 
laser beam."  So far, you have been in office for almost a week and the things
you appear to be focusing on are controversial issues such as abortion and
letting homosexuals into the military.  Perhaps it would be wiser to spend
your great political capital on something we all can agree on which is 
improving on the economy.  When that job is done then you can concern yourself
with the other issues.


					Sincerely,


					Robert Bond
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Department of Chemical Engineering
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From: butleri@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Sensible discussions? (Was RE: Ban a.f.r-l Crossposts)
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:37:25 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

     A sensible discussion of feminism, homosexuality, etc? You must
either be kidding or taking some very nasty medication. One thing I have
learned from reading the net, as well as life, is that it is almost
impossible to 'sensibly' discuss these issues. If you don't agree with
homosexuality you get labeled a homophobe, if you don't agree with all the
feminists have to say you are a chauvanist or facist. Sure this does not
happen ALL the time, but it does seem to be the norm. Of course the
converse is also true, if you do agree with those beliefs and post in their
defence you get labeled a fag lover, and so on. Both sides of these issues
perpetuate a war of words, or in the case a the net a flame war, and all
they usually do is spout of the same words time after time, never really
listening to what others say of believe. Rational or sensible discussion?
Yeah right!

                       Tim Cossett
                       COSSETT@AC.DAL.CA

Post your comments please, and mail sjould be sent to me at COSSETT@ac.dal.ca
and I reerve the right to post any particularly nasty or stupid mail. :)
 
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