From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult (was Re: When Lesbians Kiss)
Keywords: Roseanne, Newsweek, Unconcious marines, straight friends, Too Out
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:35:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec17.203542.17350
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Dec16.195318.19119@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.155725.17407@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>In article <1gmm2cINNfar@roche.csl.sri.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>>>	Heard on Rossane tonight:
>>>		"Whenever lesbians kiss, another angel gets it's wings..."
>>>	That show has gotten *cool*!
>>
>>Yup.  I especially liked the discussion of impregnation
>>while Dan was basting the turkey.
>>--
>>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>
>Yeah, but the whole "Roseanne Is Cool" aura wears off a little when I
>read in Newsweek, as I did in this week's issue (with Princess Di on
>the cover (incidentally, let me direct this message of support to Di:
>"go on girl!")), that she called some TV reviewer a "faggot" because
>the reviewer wrote a negative review of Tom Arnold's new show, The
>Jackie Thomas Show.  Does this rub anybody else the wrong way?  Is
>anybody getting rubbed at all right now?  Could you elaborate for me -
>I'd like to have a sex life - even if only vicariously.


Naw it didn't bother me.  Her actions as a whole seem to show that
she is so very GLBO supportive.  She was pissed and she said shit.  I 
do the same thing.  I have heard people in the Gay community do the
same thing.  And you are talking about a person who has gotten many
personal attacks from this man.  Not just this one statement.


>
>Hmmm - what other unrelated little gems can I stick in this article...
>
>How much do you expect out of your straight friends (SF)?  I have a SF
>that doesn't think that gays should adopt, or that gays should be
>allowed to be married, simply because it's been that way all along,
>and it will take a while to get people used to the idea (i.e. SHE
>would take a while to get used to the idea).  I told her, in a
>nutshell - "fuck that - there is no such thing as TOO SOON when it
>comes to *my* rights - my rights are *NOT* debateable".  Our
>friendship has become strained because of this.

Well it is  a shock when you find out your friend is a bigot.  I have
two roommates who are gay and they are also racist!  Have lost
many of my positive feelings about them.  

  There is some merit
>to the question "what kind of friend is she if she can't take positive
>stances on gay issues"?

My question would be what kind of a friend is she if she can't take
positive stances on HUMAN BASIC RIGHTS?

  To anyone else who has a straight friend with
>whom they talk about these types of things, is your philosophy "either
>you're 100% with me, or you're against me" with regards to Gay Issues?

When a SF or a PS (progressive straight) says they don't like the drag
scene that is alright with me.  I personally love going to the shows. This
example is a personal taste issue.  But a friend who questions basic human
rights is not a friend of mine for long.....


>
>Also - 
>
>Is there such a thing as being "too out"?  I'm becoming interested in
>this guy that makes me look like I'm cowering in the farthest darkest
>corner of The Closet - me - the same person who rampaged through my
>neighborhood in order to find out who was distributing the anti-gay
>literature for one of the local Republican judicial candidates.
>Anyway, he wonders why I would feel awkward at holding his hand
>walking down the mall.  *I* wonder why I would feel awkward holding
>his hand walking down the mall.  He's just *really* out - he even, in
>response to his gay-related columns in his university's newspaper)
>gets death threat phone calls (which, while I am impressed at these
>and how easily he blows them off, they would really kind of scare me).

NOPE, no such thing as being 'one's self' in public.

>
>Okay, I guess that's enough mud in the swimming pool for now...
>
>Kevin

Bil Snodgrass III
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