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From: lwn@sei.cmu.edu (Louis Nedz)
Subject:         Re. Questions for Steeler Fans
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:33:06 EST


< Can Bubby Brister bounce back from last week?
  It's hard to say. Booby is very unpredictable. The key
  is in the running game. If Foster has a good game, some 
  of the heat will be taken off Booby and his receivers
  making because the Vikes "D" will have to consentrate
  on  stopping the run.

< Will Neil O'Donnell be back for the playoffs?
  Most likely he will be. But it would certainly help if the
  Steelers win one more game to clinch (at leaste) a bye week
  in the playoffs.

< What is the attitude around Pittsburgh this week?
  Mixed feelings. We're excited/relived about clinching the
  AFC Central. But, after their performance on Sunday, there's
  a great deal of concern. They're a young team. You almost
  never know what to expect. They have ample talent/enthusiasm,
  but they need to add consistancy to be successful.
< Will they be ready for the Vikings?
  Yes. And the Vikes will be ready for them.  I realize this is
  an important game for you Packer fans as well. So, if it will
  make you feel any better, the Steelers are undefeated at home
  this year. Add to that- the Vikes play in a dome most of the
  time- it should equal victory for Pittsburgh (not to mention
  Green Bay). But, then again, there's Booby.  We shall see.

                                           LOU

        GO STEELERS!!!
        GO PACK!!!
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:50:38 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

merrill@hades.stsci.edu (Clark) writes:

>I have a few points I would like to make about the AIKMAN fumble for a
>Redskins TOUCHDOWN!  By the way I am a Redskins fan:-)
>1.  I  think it was a fumble,  His arm  was going forward, but I thought

I'm an avid Cowboys fan.  It was a fumble.  Aikman has even admitted it
was a pump fake.  The call on what happened after that could have gone either
way. 

>2.  The Emmit Smith fumble almost looked like he saw he was being tackled
...
>    speed.  By the way before all of the  Cowboys fans start whining
>    about not having instant  replay, remember the Redskins voted to
>    keep instant reply and the Cowboys voted to get rid of it.

The call could have gone either way.  If instant replay had have been in place,
I think Emmit would have been ruled down.  Emmit also admitted he was
pitching the ball.  BUT I STILL DON'T WANT INSTANT REPLAY.

>3.  Why did Aikman not try to get rid of it!  Throw it quick and long out of

Why ! Why ! Why !  Panic overcomes logic unless you've been in the situation
before.  Hopefully this is merely a learning experience for both Aikman and
Emmit.

			-Ron (Not whinning) D.
From: jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 11 Time World Champs!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:25:08 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I have been reading postings for a couple months now and I finally have decided
to post something myself.

It has come to my attention that Vikings fans get a hard-on by ripping on my
lifelong favorite team, the Green Bay Packers.  Well, I look at it this way. 
As long as we keep winning while you Viking (kind of ironic to have a warrior's
name for a bunch of whining, drunk-driving, crybaby, purple-foot eaters, huh)
fans keep flaming, go ahead.  We will see you in the roller dome on the 27th.


HERE'S TO THE 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION GREEN BAY PACKERS!!!!!


Since I started reading, I have noticed that no matter how much you MUDDU
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: this is NOT rec.kindergarten.playground
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:54:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>>[unnecessary defamation of john gloria deleted]
>>
>>gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)

 >[really immature defamation of gary strand deleted]
 >
 >jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)

it's called "e-mail", guys.  use it.

ok
dpm
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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: Aikman admits to fumble?
Summary: n
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.015050.4519@wam.umd.edu>, loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:
> Can anyone in Dallas confirm this?  I heard on the radio that a Dallas
> TV station interviewed Aikman and when asked about the fumble Aikman said
> he was jerking his arm back and the ball was knocked out of his hand. 
> 
> 
     Saw interviews of Aikman and slowed down end zone footage of the play.
Nice bit of sportsmanship on Aikman's part to avoid the 'Cryboy' pattern of
old -- especially when he knew that it was a fumble.

     A very dignified move, Troy.  Kudos.

Later.

HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin Stamber
Purdue University
Listen to COWHER POWER! the new song by JOCK-O on NewsTalk 1250 WTAE Pittsburgh (I come from the same town as jocko; I apologize for his behavior in advance.)


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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:02:43 GMT
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman

In article <1992Dec14.153358.12033@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:
>Panic comes from not having discipline or you are scared shitless.
>In this case, Aikman performed just as expected, i.e., no discipline,
>and scared shitless. Sorry but the BOY does not have what it takes
>to be REAL QB. He ought to take lessons from Roger S. and then
>maybe Aikman can learn something. Homey don't think so. Some aspects
>of the game you can learn, e.g., drop back three steps throw,
>drop back five steps and read the defense, or find your receivers.
>Aikman knows the mechanics of the game, but the nuances/intricacies
>of game are unatainable by Aikman.  That is what separates a Montana 
>or a Unitas from a wanna be. Yeah, I know. You Cowboys fans will
>not realize this or admit it. You are too consumed by your false
>hope of grandeur. Face it, As good as you think the 'Boys are,
>despite their record, when your 'Boys are facing the firing
>squad, they will close their eyes and flinch. Exhibit A: Dallas
>vs Washington.

What is this saying then about Rypien? Since Aikman has led the Cowboys on a
very respectable 11-3 record, Rypien has led the Redskins to a 9-5 record. He
hasn't looked good all year and he didn't look good during the
Cowboys/Redskins game.

Most QBs are on the bench the first couple of years. Aikman was in the fire
from day 1. Give the guy some credit. How can you blame him for what happened?
If anything, credit the defense for getting in his face so quickly. He pump
faked, the ball hit someone and it came loose-big deal! You can name a number
of reasons why the Cowboys lost (i.e. Irvin's fumble, Kelvin Martin slipping
on the field during the punt and the ball hitting him, etc.). Aikman will make
the Pro Bowl again this year so how does that make him a medocre(sp?) QB?

Eric

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Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Power Ratings
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:54:19 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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Here are the computer program's "power ratings" for all 28 NFL teams.
HIGHLIGHTS: 49ers juggernaut rolls on!
            Chargers rise to equality with Bills!
            Steelers plummet--possible "Bubby factor" in algorithm!
            Buccaneers: worse than Seattle AND New England!
===




             NFL Team Ratings 


      Team           Off  Def  Total

      San Francisco   39   32   71
      Dallas          32   29   61
      New Orleans     26   33   59
      Washington      28   30   58
      Philadelphia    31   25   56
      Minnesota       29   25   54
      Buffalo         31   19   50
      San Diego       25   25   50
      Houston         25   24   49
      Miami           24   22   46
      Kansas City     25   20   45
      L.A. Raiders    16   29   45
      Green Bay       20   24   44
      Atlanta         27   16   43
      Pittsburgh      16   24   40
      Cleveland       18   21   39
      Denver          20   19   39
      Phoenix         16   22   38
      Chicago         21   15   36
      Detroit         20   14   34
      N.Y. Giants     19   14   33
      L.A. Rams       21   11   32
      N.Y. Jets       10   22   32
      Seattle          8   23   31
      Indianapolis     7   20   27
      Cincinnati      16    9   25
      New England      6   14   20
      Tampa Bay       12    7   19
-- 
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Subject: Re: Half a question
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:50:02 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <009652AD.67B603C0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>I have seen refs call the penalty distance
>as "half the distance to the goal line".
>Can anyone tell me when is this and not 
>penalty by no. of yards (like say 10) 
>is enforced.
>
When it is greater than half the distance to the goal line.

IE. 15yd penalty is half the distance when it is inside the 30;
    10yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  20;
and  5yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  10.
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From: burger@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (The Rodman)
Subject: The Ten Commandments of R.S.F.P
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17765]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:46:05 GMT


    Reviewing the recent postings in this group, it seems to me that posters
almost religiously must post something that falls within certain guidelines.
Based on my observations, there seem to be at least Ten Commandments of
Rec.Sport.Football.Pro:  

1. Thou shalt whine for it is the nectar of the Net-Gods.

2. Thou shalt not commit anything resembling adult behavior, much less
   adultery.

3. Thou shalt get a life of thine own for the Lord is tired of having to grant
   one for every other poster.

4a. Thou shalt not lobby for Instant Replay because the Lord giveth and the
    Lord taketh away.  
4b. Thou shalt cry out for Instant Replay because He may be the Lord, but even
    He can't be everywhere at once.

5. Thou shalt question all computer rankings and predictions that do not match
   their own because thou knowest all that is known about the Game and are
   able to analyze information more efficiently, thoroughly, and objectively
   than a computer algorithm.

6. Thou shalt only believe thy own eyes and what they see on the Holy Visual
   Receptacle and not the word of thy neighbor, thy play-by-play ministers,
   thy own home team players, or that highest of secular entities, thy League 
   Office.

7. Thou shalt not post game updates for the Lord is not stuck at His office on
   Sundays.

8. Thou shalt label every play call that results in player incapacitation as
   blasphemously idiotic.

9. Thou shalt claim that all appointed referees are biased in favor of the
   pagan Forty-Niners for they are clearly servants of the Devil.

10. Thou shalt repeat Commandments 1 through 9 every five minutes to waste
    bandwidth and annoy thy neighbor, even thy Redskin neighbor.


   Remember, idle minds were the playgrounds on which the Devil created
artificial turf.

    --The Rodman

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From: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Subject: Re: Rebellion in Chicago.
Reply-To: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:38:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.161215.1733@pixel.kodak.com>, fbrown@ssd.kodak.com
(Frank Brown) writes:
|>
|>While watching the highlights of the games yesterday. I saw Ditka go off
|>on one of his famous dressdown of a player. Harbaraugh(sp) took it all
|>in stride but another player did not want to hear it and told Dikta 
"F**K YOU!!" 
|>Even though I couldn`t hear it I'm positive that is what he said. It
was really easy
|>to read his lips. Anybody from the Chicago know what Ditka was bitching
|>about and who the player was.  Is he good enough to swear at the coach and
|>be back next year? Or will It be Dikta himself who is gone?
|>
|>Thanks in advance
|>
|>Frank
            

I'm not sure but I think the player was offensive lineman Stan Thomas. I 
believe he was the first round pick last year.

chip
From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bernstine returns!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 09:36:14 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>btw: they had a nice little interview with Bobby Ross on ItNFL and there
>was one thing that really struck me about it--does Bobby ever smile?
>I don't think he smiled once..... maybe he's really feeling the pressure.....
>
>--Vernon.

Maybe he learned it from good ole Don Corell.  Seems to be working since that's
about the last time we saw the Chargers looking this hot.

David
Go Vista STORM (SD County Soccer League)

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.211850.36492@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.161331.16482@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>>In fact, I'll bet the '92 Cowboys could beat the - shoot! When did the 
>>>49ers win their 1st Superbowl - '82 49ers.
>>Then are you saying that the 80s Packers could beat the 60s Packers?
>???  Good old EdLorian logic (or lack therein) ..  
Is that a compliment? So you are saying that Heim logic is EdLorian logic ....

>>Which is a greater accomplishment? winning 5 in the 60s or winning
>>4 in the 80s? Don't forget, you still can't back up your distortion
>>that "it's easy to make the playoffs AND easy to win the playoff
>>in the 80s". Your only defense is that I am not a rational person
>>that you won't argue with me. What a wimp out!
>And can you back up your assertion that it is tougher to win nowadays???
Why should I? If he makes a claim that it's tougher to win in the
60s, and show me the numbers, I can refute his claim. And that's enough.

>Or the Dolphins of '72???  How can you deny a team that goes undefeated???
Were the Dolphins undefeated in the entire decade? We are not talking 
about 1 year team. So what about the Dolphins of '72?

>The 49ers and Steelers were great teams and had great runs, but neither 
>of them can say that they were better than every opponent they faced both
>during the season and in the playoffs..  Wanna guess who can say that???
Wanna guess whether the Dolphins can say they won 4 SBs in a decade? I bet
only a 4-year old like you can ....

>So, you are saying that because you state the 49ers were the best, they 
>are???  
So you are saying that the Dolphins were the best in the 70s, they are???

You didn't say that. I put words in your mouth? Ditto. 

Yes, when you can't find my quote that "the 49ers are the best", I bet
you are going to cry that I use the same "I dare you cite it" method to 
abuse you again.

>Who died and made you god or even any kind of expert on anything???
>I find more trustworthy reasoning from some 4 year olds I know... They just
>don't take so long to try and convince people...
Yes, based on your IQ, it seems like you can only think at a 4-year-old's 
level.  The net is not for you ...

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:58:46 GMT
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota

In article <1992Dec14.181021.2356@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>>Fact? didn't see it? Do they publish any "outplaying scores" in the
>>newspaper today?
>OK, you want facts:
>
>		Dallas	Washington
>First Downs	  22	  14
>Net Yards	 342	 246
>Yards per play	 5.0	 4.3
>
>You figure it out, Einstein.  
I have already had. I figure a team with +3 takeaway/giveaway diff 
should be considered "outplaying" the one with -3.

>Washington's offense sucked most of the day.  
They sure did. But let's see, which offense sucked MORE? A team
that gains 96 fewer yards, or a team that makes 3 more TURNOVERS?

>Dallas' offense sucked sometimes too, but Dallas controlled the tempo of 
>the game throughout.  The telling statistic is that Dallas had 4 turnovers
>and Washington had only one.  
BINGO!

>Take away the "bonehead" turnovers and Washington was thumped.  
Notice the difference in yardage, merely 96 yards.  Take away 96 "bonehead"
yards, including the fake punt, or make a couple feasible plays, i.e. some
Rypien overthrows, and Dallas was thumped.

See the preception of "overplay"?

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:10:06 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: BILLS FANS READ AND RESPOND: HALL OF FAME
Originator: delarocq@c00066-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:25:23 GMT





  You should agree that the following Bills players should be
  in the Hall of Fame right now:

  
  Jack Kemp
  Cookie Gilchrist
  
  
  What's the holdup?? :(

  
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