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From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: Video Toaster
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date:  5 Oct 1992 11:38 EST  

In article <4205@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes...
>In article <1OCT199216554449@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
><What are the professionals impressions of the Toaster?  Is it truly 
>You can't judge the Toaster by the VHS demo.  I have a copy of their Umatic-SP
>demo and it is great.  It is definately NTSC spec and definately of high
>quality.
> 
>Remember, feed shit into it and you'll get shit back out of it.

Sorry to post to the net, e-mail to Vidiot bounces.
  The Toaster (+supporting h/w) is definately my next purchase.
  Now, since my ED h/w doesn't perform single-frame recording, so could you 
recommend a used U-matic SP recorder(s) and a fair cost for such.

Thanks much, 
Greg
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From: jason@bohemia.metronet.org (Jason Taubman)
Subject: ADO 100 effects
Organization: Bohemia BBS System
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:39:55 GMT

Hello. Im looking for a BBS that has ADO 100 effects available for
download. If you know of such a beast, please let me know.

Jason Taubman
jason@bohemia.metronet.org

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From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Video Toaster
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  1 Oct 1992 16:55 EST  

What are the professionals impressions of the Toaster?  Is it truly 
"broadcast quality?"  How does a picture generated by or passed through it 
look when recorded/played-back on a high resolution VCR (professional or 
pro-sumer)?  Sure, I've seen the VHS demo and, while I'm impressed by the 
special effects, the image quality is only "up to" VHS standards.  (Granted, 
this is enough for wedding videos since most consumers own VHS.)

Greg
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                                                                --R. Lebron 
Another version:
"It's not what you know, it's what you do.  And you don't know what to do!"
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From: sebert@andy.bgsu.edu (K.A. Sebert)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: video walls
Keywords: video walls
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:21:05 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

I am looking for information on video walls or video cubes. We called Sony,
Panasonic, and Electrohome and got no where. (Gee I never heard of that 
before). We are trying to get some info togeather for an add alternate list
for our new classroom building that we just broke ground on.

All help will be accepted and if there is enough instest I can post or E-mail
the results.

Kim Sebert, Special Services Coordinator
IMS Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green Ohio 43403

Kim
sebert@andy.bgsu.edu
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: VideoToaster and A3000 or 4000?
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:03:04 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (9/26/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct3.073737.12134@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jandreas@cs.ulowell.edu (Jason Andreas) writes:
> Apparently, the toaster works on an A4000 with a Toaster cozy.
>
>   Newtek no longer sells "Toaster Workstations", so I don't think you'll
> see a Mac App "Switcher", connected to an Amiga over the serial port.
> I've heard conflicting rumors over the years on whether or not Newtek would release a Mac Card.  Based on my knowledge of how various processes work on the Toaster, I don't think it is really possible.  Not atleast for a reasonable cost,
> or without sticking an Amiga on a card.


Actually, I heard it doesn't work in an A4000 period because of the
changes in the Video slot on the motherboard as well as changes in the
graphics chipset.

However, NewTek was at the latest "Video Expo" (now called something
else) at Jacob Javits in NYC and they were saying that the MacToaster
would be ready by the end of the year.  I have a rull color flyer with a
Mac AND a VideoToaster Workstation on it and the new literature is in
fact, NEW.  This leads me to believe that they will be selling Amiga's
and the serial interface with the Mac package as previously stated.

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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: cstuckless@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: VideoToaster and A3000 or 4000?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:07:08 GMT

In article <462@asylum.UUCP>, romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey) writes:
> jfr@RedBrick.COM writes:
>>  The Toaster didn't work with the 3000, last I heard, but
>>  supposedly can work with the 4000.  
> 
> It works fine in my 3000. Version 1 of the Toaster software didn't work with
> one of the ECS chips in the 3000; this was fixable by substituting an older
> chip and replacing it with the ECS chip when version 2 of the Toaster software
> was released. My 3000 has a bit of the case cut away to fit the Toaster
> board in it. Works fine.
> -- 
> 	- john romkey	  ELF Communications	 romkey@ELF.com

 One thing you might want to watch out for when using a Toaster in an A3000 
is the strain on the power supply. If you've got a bunch of cards installed
, like maybe a couple of TBCs, along with the Toaster, my friend tells me 
that strange things can happen. But this may be unique to his machine....
anyone else experience this?

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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: RSIMISTE@130.187.170.178 (ROGER SIMISTER)
Subject: S-VHS Connectors
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:19:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

For those of you who are interested:

S-VHS plugs and receptacles can be purchased from Digi-Key Corp,
(800) 344-4539, Fax (218) 681-3380.

	The plug is P/N CP-2040-ND, Cost is $1.03 ea

	The Recp is P/N CP-2240-ND, Cost is $1.30 ea

These are the standard 4-pin S-vhs connectors found on all consumer
S-VHS equipment. The plug is for cables, the receptacle is for for
printed circuit boards (right angle mounting).
Digi Key has no mim order, a $5.00 shipping charge for orders under
$25.00. Ask for their Catalog.

Hope this helps.

Roger Simister
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: numatic KCS-20 and KCA-30 video tape for sale
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <2ACA06E1.11874@news.service.uci.edu> refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling) writes:
<
<I have 1 case each KCS-20 and KCA-30 numatic video tape.  Each case have 12
<tapes in it.  This is broadcast quality stuff and you need a numatic tape
<player.  They are 20 and 30 minutes long, respectively.  Its not beta or vhs.

It is Umatic, not numatic :-)
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From: tyager@maxx.UUCP (Tom Yager)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: VideoToaster and A3000 or 4000?
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:51:23 GMT
Organization: New Hampshire Public Access UNIX

In article <bobl.839l@bobsbox.rent.com>, bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes:
> However, NewTek was at the latest "Video Expo" (now called something
> else) at Jacob Javits in NYC and they were saying that the MacToaster
> would be ready by the end of the year.  

The show is now called "Image World." It's run by Knowledge Industry
Publications and draws a fair crowd from all walks of video production from
college experimental studios to network TV engineers. It's a great place
to schmooze.

> I have a rull color flyer with a
> Mac AND a VideoToaster Workstation on it and the new literature is in
> fact, NEW.  This leads me to believe that they will be selling Amiga's
> and the serial interface with the Mac package as previously stated.

Actually, the new, improved "Mac Toaster" will use SCSI instead of serial.
It is still, effectively, a Toaster workstation with a SCSI board for the
Amiga, a cable, and software for both sides. It'll be a switcher interface,
backed by file transfer. This might actually be useful, if for nothing more
than to rescue LightWave images from the confines of the Amiga and get them
into Photoshop and other nifty Mac software. It'll also let you create
framestore images using Mac graphics tools. The serial version was a joke--
I'm glad Newtek came to its senses and bagged that idea.

The price of the Mac Toaster (SCSI board, cable and software) will supposedly be
$495.

By the way: no one asked for my opinion, but I believe Newtek stopped making
Toaster workstations because most of its dealers make money bundling the
things themselves. Consumers can shop amongst the dealers and get neat
add-ins like faster CPU boards, more memory, and so on. I think that was
a good move on Newtek's part. They should stick to their knitting.

By the by the way: I'm running a Toaster in a 3000T. It took about 45 minutes
with a Dremel to hack the case to make all the connectors accessible. I have
a Commodore 040 board now and will be testing it soon. My real simple tests show
it to be about twice as fast (using a 25MHz 68040).

>  Bob Lindabury
> InterNet: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com                | Raven Enterprises

(ty)
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From: sweet@adobe.com (Dick Sweet)
Subject: Need VISCA documentation
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:38:25 GMT

I'm finally finding time to play with the V-Deck that I bought last summer.
Unfortunately, I can't find the manual and Sony doesn't have any replacement
ones in their warehouse.  What I really need is the VISCA protocol documentation
that is in the manual.  Is there somebody out there who would be willing to
make a copy of that portion of the manual (or if there is some better VISCA
document, a copy of it) and mail it to me?  Of course, if somebody already
has it online, they could email it to me.  If you're willing, let me know
by email and I'll send you my address.  In case there are multiple willing
parties, I'll pick one to save on global postage.

Dick Sweet
sweet@adobe.com
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Video Toaster
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:37:24 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1OCT199216554449@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
<What are the professionals impressions of the Toaster?  Is it truly 
<"broadcast quality?"  How does a picture generated by or passed through it 
<look when recorded/played-back on a high resolution VCR (professional or 
<pro-sumer)?  Sure, I've seen the VHS demo and, while I'm impressed by the 
<special effects, the image quality is only "up to" VHS standards.  (Granted, 
<this is enough for wedding videos since most consumers own VHS.)

You can't judge the Toaster by the VHS demo.  I have a copy of their Umatic-SP
demo and it is great.  It is definately NTSC spec and definately of high
quality.

Remember, feed shit into it and you'll get shit back out of it.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: quandt@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Subject: video software patents
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:01:42 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

I just read an article in "Video Systems" Sept 92 pp4 titled 
"Patent impending".  This short article was about how Montage has
patented the use of the storyboard/time line approach used in non-linear 
editors.  Did anyone else read this?  Do you also think this is nuts that
a company could actually patent/copyright the way on-disk video data is
displayed on a video screen?  This to me seems like a variation on 
'look and feel', a concept that aids all involved and should not result in
royalties to some lawyer fat company (it aids user, developers, marketers,
etc).  Another thing, as implied by the article and MANY articles in the
Communciations of the ACM, patenting software... what the !@#$!@#$.  
All this accomplishes is hurt the little guy.  Big companies go for
something which they aren't sure that really can protect them, but hey
they have the money.  The little companies end up at the short
end of the stick since there's no way they could ever attempt to even
fight the larger company.  Hence the big company gets to do what it
wants

Is there a non-biased informed individual out there that could shed 
some light on this issue?
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: Re: VideoToaster and A3000 or 4000?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:45:45 GMT

In article <bobl.839l@bobsbox.rent.com> bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>
>However, NewTek was at the latest "Video Expo" (now called something
>else) at Jacob Javits in NYC and they were saying that the MacToaster
>would be ready by the end of the year.  I have a rull color flyer with a
>Mac AND a VideoToaster Workstation on it and the new literature is in
>fact, NEW.  This leads me to believe that they will be selling Amiga's
>and the serial interface with the Mac package as previously stated.
>

There was a rumor floating around that NewTek might do a version for the
SGI Indigo. Any word on such a beast? Thanks.
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Division of Life Sciences     |   education, he may steal the whole railroad.
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From: ggiergiel@vmsa.oac.uci.edu
Subject: Re: low cost PAL to NTSC conversion
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.090249.9734@news.unige.ch>, simon@cui.unige.ch (Simon Gibbs) writes...

>I'm looking for a low cost (ie, < $1000) way of converting
>a PAL signal to NTSC. We are going to receive a satellite
>feed in PAL and I'd like to convert this to NTSC so that
>it can be distributed to our various workstations and monitors,
>all of which want NTSC. I have seen tape players which can
>do some conversion, but this wouldn't work here since we're
>dealing with live signals. Any tips or pointers would be
>appreciated.
> 
>Simon Gibbs
>University of Geneva


Radius came up with a Macintosh card that serves as a
24 bit monitor card and full video in/out capability. The thing will
also convert easily between two flawors od NTSC, SECAM and PAL.
Street price around $2k. Anybody with any hands-on experience.?
For example Hi8 conversion from PAL to NTSC. How good is it?


Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: Another Equipment Question (VLAN's)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:51:17 GMT

We are building a small S-VHS recording studio (who isn't?). We
have a Panasonic 7750 Editor with TBC and will soon have the
compatible Panasonic Player (I forget the model number, 7660?).

Anyway, the main purpose of this equipment is to record computer
generated graphics from a Silicon Graphics Indigo Elan workstation
equipped with an ElanVideo option board. (The ElanVideo board
should ship around Christmas :)  The specs for the ElanVideo board
haven't been released yet, but it should be VERY impressive judging
from the current, "low-end" IndigoVideo board. With it's new 64-bit,
50/100 MHz R4000 risc processor, this puppy REALLY flies!

The immediate question is what sort of controller should we buy?
Of course we need VLAN and a some point may want to do A-B Roll.
Does it make sense to stick to Panasonic equipment or are there
better deals out there. BTW, we get Panasonic stuff on "state contract"
which means we got the Panasonic 7750 for $4,500 instead of $6,000 (list).
Then again, nobody pays list anyway, right?

As you can probably tell my background is biology, not video,
so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.




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Division of Life Sciences     |   education, he may steal the whole railroad.
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From: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Jack Mcgee)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: ADO 100 effects
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Jack Mcgee)
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462

JT>Hello. Im looking for a BBS that has ADO 100 effects available for
  >download. If you know of such a beast, please let me know.

You might give the Call Sheet (818)363-3192.  It used to have a pretty
good ADO file section, and I think there might have been some 100 files
on there.  The sysop, Wayne Parsons, has "officially" closed down the
Ampex/ADO section, but as he mentioned in a message on the board, it it
still there, just hidden.  Just hit "a" from the Main Menu to take you
the Ampex area.  Unless he's eliminated it since I saw the message.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Turn your clocks back ... the Supreme Court is in session
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Video Toaster
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:15:56 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct2.141640.6221@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
<In article <1OCT199216554449@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov
<(GREG KIMNACH) writes:
<>What are the professionals impressions of the Toaster?  Is it truly 
<>"broadcast quality?"  How does a picture generated by or passed through it 
<>look when recorded/played-back on a high resolution VCR (professional or 
<>pro-sumer)?  Sure, I've seen the VHS demo and, while I'm impressed by the 
<>special effects, the image quality is only "up to" VHS standards.  (Granted, 
<>this is enough for wedding videos since most consumers own VHS.)
<>
<>Greg
<
<
<You should check out the demo on Laserdisc or even D2.  The demo was produced
<on D2 so I'm sure it surpasses the VHS tape you have.

You can't get a laserdisc demo of the Video Toaster...I tried.  They didn't
feel that the cost of producing a disc would outway the number sold.
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From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: VideoToaster and A3000 or 4000?
Keywords: Toaster, A3000,A4000
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:49:21 GMT

In article <13314@bnr-rsc.UUCP> rahrer@bnr.ca writes:
>The Video Toaster looks like an impressive tool, but I'd
>like to know if it can be used in an A3000 or preferably
>the new A4000 machine. Anyone know about this?
>
>How about a version for the Mac?

  The Toaster didn't work with the 3000, last I heard, but
  supposedly can work with the 4000.  

  As for the Mac, the Toaster software is written in Amiga
  assembler language which, although having the 680x0 in
  common with the Mac, would be extremely difficult for
  Newtek to convert to another system (Mac or PC).  

  Jon Rosen

From: alk@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Al Kovalick)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:36:29 GMT
Subject: Re: SCART connectors in North America, where ?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.video.production

I have seen several references to SCART, but I am not familiar with this standard?  Could
someone please explain what SCART is or point me to a suitable reference?

Thanks,
David Andersen
HP
From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Need Equipment Advice
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:55:49 PST
Organization: BBS

   Time code is used as a permanent marker on video footage for the editor's
and producer's benefit.  On a normal VCR, the timer is arbitrary -- when you
hit clear, the timer reads 00:00:00:00.  On a tape with time code, you cannot
clear the timer.  So let's say you're looking for some footage of a duck on an
hour tape.  Since you logged your tape footage earlier (using a time code
window dub -- a copy with the time code information in a small window on your
monitor), you know that the duck footage is at time code location 00:36:42:15
(hours:minutes:seconds:frames).  That's one benefit of time code.
   When an OFFLINE edit is done, the editor is selecting his shots from the
original footage.  Since offline editing usually means cuts-only, no special
effects or graphics are laid -- video only.  During this offline edit, the
controller reads the time code information and assembles an EDIT DECISION LIST.
 This list is saved to disk, taken to an online editor (a computer controlled
editing system), and started.  After effects and titling are selected, it's as
simple as pressing <Perform>, and the edit controller will assemble the entire
production from the edit decision list.
   Time code is also used to sync music to video when making music videos. 
There are scores of other uses for time code, too many to mention.


Raymond Ulibarri
Vice President
MultiCon
Multimedia Concepts
(510)261-1001
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