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From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Super SW and Film release timeline.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:47:05 EST
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jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>      I just got through seeing Super Star Wars, and boy is it cool!
> 
> But then I thought...Why is all of this stuff coming up now?  possibly
> to spur interest back in the trilogy to prepare for the upcoming movies.
> Surely Nintendo will make Super Empire Strikes Back and ROTJ soon..
> people will be foaming at the mouth to rent Star Wars after playing the 
> game, and the the rest of the trilogy...and then, when the excitement
> over SW is peaked, here comes Episode I!
> 
> 	It will probably be the most seen film in History!  If what I
> have said comes true!
> 
> 	Oh, I ought to give up pharmacy and become a marketing resarch
> analist:)
> 
> JP
> 

Yeah, but maybe you should have looked a little further back in time, 
like when the Zahn books hit the market and we were all saying the same 
thing... "Here cumz da moo-veez!" :)  Then there are the re-releases of 
the trilogy on videotape and laserdisc, the Nintendo (Famicom) and Super 
Nintendo (and Super Famicom) games...  We'd *really* be swamped if the 
action figures were re-released!

I was watching Poltergeist the other night (just got in a silly kind of 
mood and felt like watching it).  The amount of SW paraphenalia in the 
sons bedroom is quite amazing: posters everywhere, the Darth Vader action 
figure case (with eyes painted red, no less), FX-7 sitting behind his 
headboard, and Luke Skywalker protruding from Carol Ann's mouth.  Oops, 
almost forgot the Star Wars bed-spread (I used to have one, but I don't 
think I'd still be using it today, even if I did still have it).  Hmmm...
Poltergeist was on cable, so maybe it was broadcast in hopes that 
everybody would see all the nifty Star Wars merchandise!  Was this film 
meant to peak our interests in Star Wars again?!? =)

So, what I mean by all of the above banter is this: The movies will come 
when they come, no sooner, no later.  Perhaps all this new marketing is 
nothing more than a ploy to keep Star Wars in the public eye, but so 
what?  If Zahn had never written the books, if Dark Horse had never done 
the comic, I would still be watching my old, worn-out copies of the 
trilogy about once a week.  When the new series sees the big screen, I 
will have camped out in front of the theater for two weeks to be first in 
line, but I'm not going to worry about them just yet.


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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:21:09 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:

>   According to the Star Wars role-playing game, there are four Super Star    
>   Destroyers, one of which is the Executor. There are about 25,000 Star
>   Destroyers.... wow, I never really knew that. I'm not sure how canon
>   you consider this source, but it is roughly correct.

This almost cannot be correct.  We see almost the entire Imperial fleet
in Jedi.  You see them all...  probably a hundred at most.
If there were many others sread throughout the galaxy, 
the Rebels wouldn't be so happy about defeating the fleet at Endor.

keith
From: Michael_Hilgers@k.maus.de (Michael Hilgers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: How do Tie figthers land?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:58:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
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In an article mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan) writes:

m>The _t_win _i_on _e_ngine is pretty funny, since there isn't
m>a visible engine let alone two!
m>
m>I assumed the TIE uses the same repulsors all the other vehicles do to
m>land.
m>
m>Scott

In the STAR WARS RPG Sourcebook they are described this way. It is said that
the engines are very small and are located in the support pylons of the solar
panels.
In the movies there should be a little red dot visible on the back side of each
pylon between the panels and the spherical centralbody.

Michael
Cologne, Germany
Michael_Hilgers@K.maus.de
From: tfields@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings?????? why?????
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:24:38 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <93023.224359GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> You're wrong on one of your points though.  Ships can be and are tracked while
> in hyperspace.  Vader and Tarkin track the Millenium Falcon to the Yavin base
> during it's jaunt through hyperspace with the newly rescued Princess Leia.
> 
>                                                  --Eric

I think it more likely that the Falcon was pinpointed and tracked the moment
it left hyperspace.

-terry
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:32:21 GMT

haywire@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes:

>In article <1993Jan23.233204.8082@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>>
>>	Forgeting single-person fighters and the shuttles, the
>>only Imperial ships we see are star destroyers and the Executor
>>(a super star destroyer).  Both Han Solo and the Emperor refer
>>to it as the "command ship", however, so that might be the
>>source of your confusion.
>>						-Quinn

>In ROTJ when the Heroes approach Endor Han says "There are SEVERAL command
>ships"

>These I assumed were some form of modified star destroyer...
>Then there is the singular Executor (Executer??).
>But you still didnt answer my original question.
>How many of these ships and different types are there???
>I am looking only for "Capital ships" logistics.
>As far as Im concerned there can be an almost infinite number of
>fighters, bombers, and shuttles.

   According to the Star Wars role-playing game, there are four Super Star    
   Destroyers, one of which is the Executor. There are about 25,000 Star
   Destroyers.... wow, I never really knew that. I'm not sure how canon
   you consider this source, but it is roughly correct.

Cory Padfield
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:47:48 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars trivia

I just had a thought.  The "Rebel Briefing" isn't really a misnomer to that
particular piece of music.  Han and Leia are rebels, and she is technically
debriefing him on her and Luke's siblinghood during this scene.  Perhaps it
was titled as such purposely.  Nah, that's stretching it!

                                             --Eric, who still doesn't know
                                                     why that Force music
                                                     was tacked on the track
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: NEW MOVIES - All News Groupies Please Read
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:23:58 GMT

Ernie Oporto (EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
 
: Hey, I saw it!  _Dogmeat Astronomers_ was a pretty tasteless flick, for
: a Lucas picture.  I especially despised the scene where Anakin takes
: ot the grapefruit people of Kandorias.  They were a peaceful type, but
: c'est la vie!

Yeah, the SFX were really cheap -- hey, he's broke after Indiana Jones!
I thought Anakin's light saber was totally fake. You could see the
broom under the blade that was computer-generated and dubbed on.

But, hey -- at least the droids were in rare form. Might as well be,
cos they were already paid for! :) "That's not a probe recepticle!"
Bwhahahaha!!! I loved that line.

Hopefully the cheap-thrills action will rake in enough to finance some SFX
for the sequel!

Scott
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More questions
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:03:18 GMT
Organization: Turkey Hall
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>Perhaps Lucas was planning to do was to have Lando tell Wedge he wasn't going
>to make it and all that other heartstrings jazz.  Then build up the suspense
>by having the flames nip (& engulf) the Falcon (like it did in the movie)
>and then zoom out to show the death star blowing up (leaving open the question
>as to whether or not Lando made it).  Then have everyone be all gloomy,
>thinking Lando died in the explosion.  But then, during the celebration,
>here comes Lando & the crew, and everything is all hunky-dory.  
>
>But I think that the final movie version was a lot better.  

Nope; you're wrong there.  Lando never made it; that shot of Lando at the end
at the celebration was either filmed later or added later.  It *is* known,
however, that in a showing with test audiences before the movie was released,
Lando *did* die along with the Falcon.
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From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:58:36 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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In article <1jselpINNa8i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> haywire@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the Insane On
e) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any idea on how large the Entire Imperial Fleet is??
>And how many different types of ships there are??
>
>All I know is there are three known types
>1. super star destroyer
>2. command star destroyer
>3. star destroyer
>4. cruiser???
>

I was under the impression that the *ONLY* Imperial spacecraft were as follows:

1. Super Star Destroyer
2. Star Destroyer(standard)
3. TIE Fighter(standard flat-wing style)
4. Interceptor TIE fighter.
5. Darth Vader TIE fighter(unique).
6. Ship-to-ship(assumtion on my part) shuttle (seen in tESB)
7. Imperial Shuttle (seen in RotJ)


If there are others(at least, according to the movies, the RPG's aren't, in my
opinion, valid arguements), please let me know.
-- 
-Scott Lyon
"May the Force be with us..."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:57:11 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
 <C1E2o1.GMv@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

>In the cantina scene Han says, "I've outrun imperial starships.  Not the
>local Balt cruisers, mind you, I'm talking about the big Correlian Ships,
>now."
>
>Or something like that.  I guess the Correlian ships are the Star Destroyers.
>The Balt cruisers must be something smaller.  We never see them on film, but
>this is a valid reference.

  How about "bulk cruisers" ?
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The other Yoda spoke of
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:48:45 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

mason writes:

> ESB:     Ben:     That boy is our last hope.
>          Yoda:    No.  There is another ...
>  
> Jedi:    Yoda:    There - is - another - Sky - walker - *
>          Luke:    (to Ben)  Yoda spoke of another ...
>          Ben:     The other Yoda spoke of was your twin sister.
>  
> These two exchanges are not necessarily about the same person.  The
> Jedi dialog concerns Leia.  Anyone who wants to argue this should
> collect his ego at the desk on his way out.  The Empire dialog is
> much more ambiguous.  It is generally accepted that Yoda was thinking
> of Leia here, too.  It has been suggested, however, that Yoda may
> have been referring to someone else -- Wedge, or even Han Solo.
>  
> I don't think so.  Yoda and Ben were concerned with more than reuniting
> long-lost siblings.  They were working to bring about the fall of the
> Empire, and of the Emperor in particular.  They were also working to
> restore the Jedi Knights to their former glory.  Luke needed to know
> who the original "other" was to accomplish these goals -- the identity
> of his sister, although important, was incidental to the greater
> purpose.
>  
> -- mason

Unfortunately, the scene with Ben and Yoda was cut off just before Kenobi 
asked, "Another hope?  Who?" because he obviously must not have known 
about Leia at this point (*if* it were Leia who was the other hope).


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From: haywire@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the Insane One)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Date: 24 Jan 1993 06:11:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan23.233204.8082@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	Forgeting single-person fighters and the shuttles, the
>only Imperial ships we see are star destroyers and the Executor
>(a super star destroyer).  Both Han Solo and the Emperor refer
>to it as the "command ship", however, so that might be the
>source of your confusion.
>						-Quinn

In ROTJ when the Heroes approach Endor Han says "There are SEVERAL command
ships"

These I assumed were some form of modified star destroyer...
Then there is the singular Executor (Executer??).
But you still didnt answer my original question.
How many of these ships and different types are there???
I am looking only for "Capital ships" logistics.
As far as Im concerned there can be an almost infinite number of
fighters, bombers, and shuttles.


Haywire
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Harpoons ??
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:09:17 CST

In article <1993Jan19.191428.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.012428.27562@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>> The rebals couldn't have used the speeders to build the base. They had trouble adapting them to the cold. Remember??? They didn't work until the day of the battle.
>> 				Dark Jedi	
>Then where did they come from?

There is a difference between `not adapted` and `not working`.
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:55:18 GMT

In article <1jtondINNope@shelley.u.washington.edu>, redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:

|> In article <1jtemsINNd60@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon) writes:
|> >If there are others(at least, according to the movies, the RPG's aren't, in my
|> >opinion, valid arguements), please let me know.
|> 
|> 	8. TIE Bomber (seen in TESB)
|> 	9. Death Star (okay, that's stretching it a bit, I know)
It could move couldn't it? Well, it was in the fleet then. I wonder whether
the uncompleted one in TotJ could move, or would have been able to once 
completed?

Happy Halibut VI 

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From: haywire@pitt.WPI.EDU (the Insane One)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons ??
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:10:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <C15s5K.J56@unccsun.uncc.edu> ebstokes@uncc.edu writes:
>If the rear crewman operates the weaponry, why is he facing BACKWARDS? His position seems to indicate he is a Navigator, or system operator of some kind.

To be a gunner you dont need to face forward
If you notice Dak has a large Dashlike control panel in front of him
and one or two screens taking up most of his view. All he has to do is look
through the targetting system to see where the gun is aiming not where they 
are going. This back to back seating saves room and makes the snowspeeder
even smaller than it would with a front facing seating arrangement.


The Ever Insane
Haywire
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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: Harpoons (and At-Ats)
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:51:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.160617.2770@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>In article <1jmtuk$j0r@agate.berkeley.edu>, sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:
> 
>> ...but this is silly.  I don't think we're intended to believe that
>> the Rebel was making up a new name on the spot.  Just because I've
>> never encountered a Harrier jump jet, that doesn't mean I can recognize
>> one when I see it.                                        ^^^
>                                                            |||
>                                     I am assuming you mean can't here
>
>> 
>> So:  the fact that the Rebel recognized the walker doesn't prove they'd
>> encountered them before -- but he's not just making up a name!
>
>If he wasn't just making up the name, then why didn't he call them by their
>name?  They are All-Terrain Armoured-Transports, or AT-ATs for short, but no
>where in their name is the word walker.  Besides, I never meant for it to sound
>like he was making up the name (even though it may have sounded like it) but
>trying to point out to the earlier poster that just because some guy with
>binoculars sees something and calls it something resembling what it is doesn't
>mean that he has seen them before.
  
AT-AT is not the only "real" name for walkers; it is a technical name that
would make no sense to the viewer. (It only matters to us fans.) This is just
like twentieth-century warfare: Never mind that the "real" name for those metal
beasts is AFV...if you see some, you'll probably call them "tanks," or at
least "armor". "Walkers" is a similar thing-- just like 20th c. troops would
spot "enemy armor," Star Wars rebels spot "Imperial Walkers."

CLearly, not all walkers are alike, not even all AT-ATs. Some may have more
armor than others, different weapons, etc. Who knows how many boot-licking
corporations have Imperial contracts? Just because you've fought "tanks"
before doesn't mean that you can defeat any old tank you come by. Some might
be too fast or too powerful or too well armored. Since only the enemy knows
how they're built and what their weaknesses are, you just have to fight them
to know what you're dealing with.

The guy who reported them had the tone of familiarity, not of wonder and 
confusion. I think most of us accept the idea that AT-ATs are a standard
weapon type with which the rebels were familiar.

					local Star Wars guru
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brings total obliteration..." --from the Litany against Fear

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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: Darth Vadar
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:54:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.221231.12944@unocal.com> stsslxs@st.unocal.com (Luis Sandoval) writes:
>I heard that DARTH is an anagram for DARK LORD OF HOTH. Can anyone else confirm/
>                                     ^^^            ^^
>dispute this? 
>
George Lucas made up the name "Darth Vader" to sound like "Dark Father", that
is all. He apparently didn't get the names from a foreign language or anything
like that. He just made them up.

BTW, "Dark Lord of Hoth" is pretty far fetched. You might have heard "Dark
Lord of the Sith."

					local Star Wars guru
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		Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
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From: cs91eeb@brunel.ac.uk (Erik Bussink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: 35mm rights to ...Empire & ...Jedi
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:19:54 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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We have here on Campus a film society and we wanted to show the trilogy,
but we where surprised to learn that we could only get the first film, as
the rights to the second and the third had been removed, is there any
explanation ? Note that it's the same as trying to get the
first version of 'Bladerunner'

						Erik
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From: rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani)
Subject: SW on gameboy-HELP!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:41:08 GMT

Does anybody out there know how to cheat on the Star Wars game for
Gameboy. It's just too hard (and my powers of the Force are limited).

thanks
rajiv