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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:47:51 GMT

In article <2AD73E56.10262@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
>>
>>>I'm INTP (Introvert/Intuitive/Thinking/Perceiving) but so far
>>>Myer-Briggs doesn't seem particularly correlated with paganism--I don't 
>>>think I've seen two codes the same--except for the Introvert part.
>
>Okay, for the last week or so, people have been saying things like, 
>"I'm . . . " followed by a string of letters.
>
>WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!?!
>
>Thanks you in advance,
>Janis the Bemused

What she said!

(I'm glad somebody finally asked that)

Bb,

Corun


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From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:35:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
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>Janis wrote:
>> However, I
>> don't want to let a remark like, "But the Bible says . . . " go
>> unchallenged.
>> 
>> In short, how do I challenge something like that without starting
>> something?  Fundies are notorious for taking any difference of opinion
>> as a personal affront, and I am tempted to say, "Well, if you believe in
>> creationism, what the hell are you doing in an anthro class, damn it?"

On a radio program a few years ago, a seminary teacher explained that 
he had a lot of trouble getting his theology students out of the habit
of "proof-texting" which he defined as "Having an opinion and then 
quoting the Bible to show that God agrees with you".
  
He would front up to his first class with a Bible and a concordance.  He
would then challenge the sudents to come up with the worst blasphemies
or heresies they could think of, and he would find three Bible texts
supporting them in less than 5 minutes.

He says he never lost the bet...
  
Perhaps your fundie student could be set to write a paper on 
why the Bible should not be considered an anthro text, by defining
what *is* an acceptable anthro text, and how the Bible differs?
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:11:37 GMT

Geez, why is it that the people who post surveys on here insist on
using flawed instruments?  That one by S.M. was a doozie, and he got
VERY angry when I gently pointed out by e-mail that the wording of
many of his questions revealed the biases of the person who wrote
the survey, AND tipped the respondent to what the expected "right"
answer was. This one's a bit better, but not much. Well done, Corun!
My personal position is that I don't waste time on badly flawed surveys.
It's a University of Chicago tradition to keep the unused stamps as 
payment for reading and rejecting the damn things...<G> --Debbie


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From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: just wondering
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:57:06 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <11190038@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>> of Belushi as a bee are long since gone, SNL has also gone Christian. Praise
>> the lord and pass the amunition. Onward Christian soldiers, marching off
>> to (Buchanan's Kultural and Religious) war.
>  
> 
>       Then perhaps they will have Phil Collins on to sing his new song
> "I've Been Talking to Jesus" which is just hysterically funny.
> 
>       One comment about Sinead O'Connor: It seems as though lots of 
> people have made lots of comments about tolerance and the need for 
> tolerance of everyone's views. I don't know what her objective was but
> it seems *intolerant* as hell! 
> 
>       She is probably making a statement about Northern Ireland -- although
> it seems to me that she would know well that religion has little to do
> with that conflict. 
> 
> 
> -r
> 
> 


	I listerned to the Sinead album and she has this chat at the end.

	Seems to me she's decided that the CHURCH has warped our little
	minds and lead us away from GOD. Basic line is that we've been lied
	to since the beginning, quite a well written ramble really.

		She's sort of gone fundie but I thinks it a bit different.


				-Matthew (Of course I could be totally wrong)
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx02.louisville.edu (Shaitan)
Subject: REQUEST: Abortion info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:18:00 GMT

I have been wondering as of late what the modern pagan beliefs hold on the idea
of abortion. Any info I would find interesting, whether posted or emailed to
me.

I have no interest in starting a discussion on the *ethics* of abortion; I am
only interested in what you think, not in persuasion tactics.

I thank thee,

--Shaitan--

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 If you don't believe me, watch me as upon its grave I spit,
 Worldly treasures have no worth--but self-respect is beyond price,
 And Hell's the best alternative when faced with your fool's paradise.
 Some say I bite the hand that feeds--but to these disillusioned eyes
 'tis sweet revenge to watch it bleed (it has only fed me lies). . ."
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: That hazel eye thang again (was Re: Birth data, etc...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.000234.18088@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes...
>Delurking....
> 
>Hello.  Can I add my birth date to the list?
>July 25, 1971, sometime in the morning.
> 
>Oh, and my eyes are blue/grey/green (depending on the mood, environment,etc)
>Does this mean I can't be a pagan? :)

Are You Kidding!!!!!

Perfect hazel-eyed pagan material.  (We'll excuse the non-libran
aspect for now.)

8-) ;-) 8-)

Blessed Be,
Tammy

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: witch joke
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:36:32 GMT

As long as we're trading witch jokes...A female comedian a while back was
talking about "Men at Work" signs. "You know," she said, "I get sick of
those signs that say 'Orange Cones Mean Men At Work'. I think that's pretty
obvious. I mean, before those signs were up, I might've thought the orange
cones meant 'Psychedelic Witch Embedded in Asphalt'.".
				Rosaleen dhu
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Amazon warriors
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:30:26 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct14.142011.10532@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca writes:

 > Maybe instead of bringing up Amazon women, you could bring up Celtic
 > women.  There's definitely more information available on them.  And
 > from the information that I've seen, they often fought alongside the
 > men.

And Australian Aboriginal women, whose women's power is at the hub of
their culture even today.

Gil

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Handfasting/Pagan Marriage Ceremonies
Keywords: Handfasting, Rituals
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:43:48 GMT


My SO and I are talking about gettin' hitched, and we're looking for
something beyond the white lace and stiff collar tradition. She's part
Abenaki Indian, so of course we have a place to start, but I'd like to
hear how others have felt about their own or friends' ceremonies. Celtic,
Native American, Wiccan, etc. are all welcome ideas...

I'd like to start a little discussion of people's experiences with 
alternative (ie., pagan) marriage rituals. I assume from my travels
here that "handfasting" means more in the pagan world than its 
simple dictionary definition.

And yes, we _could_ write "our own", but traditions can be nice too.

Blessings,

Murray

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From: conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth data (was Re: a nice experience...)
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:34:49 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA


21. February 1957  10:52 am  Coalinga, California

I'm a Pisces, Gemini rising (I think -- that is, if "rising" means the same as
ascendant sign), moon in Sagitarius.

Lots of water, air, and fire but not many earth signs in my chart.  Mostly
fixed and mutable but only one cardinal.

I have an astrolog printout -- now I only need to learn how to interpret
it!  :-)


Coni B.
conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (until 16. October 1992)
conib@igc.org (thereafter)
From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Youthful experiences
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:06:09 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <scotts.001a@meltdown.chi.il.us>, scotts@meltdown.chi.il.us (Scott Szakonyi) writes:
> I would concur ... I suspect we may eventually realized that fascination with
> the paranormal or occult is a normal response to stresses which one cannot
> respond to physically.  Humans are amazingly adaptive; it would not suprise me
> to find that occult skill is an adaptation for survival which is triggered by a
> traumatic childhood.  I am quite sure it is so in my case.
> 
> Freya's blessings, Hawkmoon


	Hi, I just wanted to say that I've actually been wondering
	the same thing. 
	I sort of wondered, when humans become dangerous to each other.

	Rationality is not a survival characteristic, because both sides
	have it. So Inspirational Irrationality is developed as a response.

	Of course burning anybody vaguely Psychic is a good way to breed 
		a trait out .....


				-Matthew.
From: af2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex Feely)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Druids
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:41:36 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hello,

  I'm interested in becoming a druid. any info you have I would love.
please E-mail this and any info you have about the Sassafras grove, a
druidic chapter in pittsburgh to af2e@andrew.cmu.edu . Thanks in advance.

                                                                        
                   Alex Feely
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:01:52 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <Bw3GyJ.FIB@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.172011.8775@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>>
>>Oh! Woad is me!
>>"...Woad's the stuff to show men.
>>   Woad to scare your foemen.
>> Boil it to a brilliant blue, and
>>   rub it on your legs and your abdomen..."
>
>But do you know "It's a long and winding woad...."? ;-)
>

But if we keep this up, will the rest here start practicing Woadun on us?

BB (while running for cover)
	mark
From: idfraser@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ian Fraser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth data (was Re: a nice experience...)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 04:37:45 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:

- I don't know what Eshin-Fun is charging, but I've always wondered too.


So have I. And all those other Systems were interesting, though I have no idea
what any of it meant. :)

Born 27 February, 1957 at 8:10 am in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.

' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
 
Bright Blessings to you and yours!  
 
Hawk
 
Circle of Ashtoreth, 
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Georgie channeling
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:14:03 GMT
Organization: but, you didn't hear it from me

In article <gate.4ocgsB1w165w@pil.UUCP> usr77@pil.UUCP writes:
>Actually, I was thinking about either Hitler or Goebbels.

There is a connection there, but since this isn't alt.conspiracy, I won't
get into it. Suffice it to say that a certain leader once lead a certain
"intelligence" agency that did make deals with certain "questionable"
organizations in the misguided war against "communism". Do you know what
"New World Order" means? For now, let's just say that the chickens will be 
coming home to roost, a la Iraqgate and the continuing S&L/Bank scandel. We 
have met the enemy and it is us. That's just basic Pogonomics, the ends never
justify the means. We now return you to your regular programing.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:05:26 GMT

In article <2AD252EB.28154@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

[some stuff you already read about her anthro class]

Janis,

Sun Tzu says the best way to avoid a fight is not to be there. Obviously
you can't refuse to show up to the class. You can, however, refuse to let
the class be sidetracked into an irrelevent discussion of religion. You've
already come up with the answer yourself. Just tell them that you're teaching
an anthropolgy class, not a religion or philosophy class. If they want to
discuss the bible, then they should do it on their own time, and not the
class'. Don't challenge them on anything. Just brush it off and move on.

Now, what do you do if the class *wants* to get into a creationism vs.
evolution argument. Again, don't let it happen. Tell the class that under
no circumstances will there be anything about religion on the test, and
if they expect to pass the course, to get back to the subject. Do this
gently, but in no uncertain terms. You're the teacher. You're in charge.
Of course if gentle doesn't work, it might be time to invoke the Bitch. ;-)

Above all though, don't get cornered into revealing your personal attitude.
It could reveal your religious leanings, and for the sake of good ol'
paranoia, this could be bad for your career (as if being a woman wasn't
bad enough <grin>). Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't
out to get you.

Hope this helps. 

Bb,

Corun

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.181405.13446@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>#
>#Corun (who's sorry for inflicting the punishment) <grin>
>#
>No you're not! You're like me; when you get going, you like to puntificate
>upun any punouncement, right?!
>
>	mark

I think you've hit the crux of the biscuit and you're really on a roll now.
We'd breader stop, at yeast for a while.

Bb,

Corun


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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Beth Lung)
Subject: Re: The Dragon
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.215456.2296@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:

>Sounds to me what THWhite had Arthur doing in Once & Future King: put
>Might on the side of Right. On the other hand, Paul's attribution, in
>context, makes the dragon a devil, which I disagree with. (Hmph!) I might
>point out that in one way, we are *all* children of the Dragon: Sol resides
>within the constellation of Draco.
>
>	mark (the Silverdragon)

-smile- I discovered quite by accident that I'm a child of the Dragon
(although probably not in the manner you are speaking--I entered in
the middle of this thread). My last name, Lung, means Dragon on
chinese...heh, and my grandmother always told me my last name was
Dutch! -shrug- (Nope, I'm not oriental nor is anyone in my family as
far as I know.)

And I always wondered why I had such an attraction to dragons all
these years. -smile-

blessings,
Beth (who needs to shorten her .sig but is too lazy to do it:)
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  How far must suffering and misery go before we see that even in the day of
  vast cities and powerful machines, the good earth is our mother and that if
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: that quote about "foul enough for a wi
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:32:59 GMT

the original vernacular for the term fagot or faggot was a bundle usually wood 
e.g. kindling ....

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
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From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:26:57 GMT

Janis,
I guess I'd bluntly say something like, "The Bible isn't on the reading
list for this course. If you want to do outside reading, that's fine,
but here we will be covering what's on the syllabus and that's all 
we're going to have time for."

Fundie-ism tends not to be an issue in Library Schools, except when you
get one in cataloging class who wants to do an author entry for the
Bible. (No, you CAN'T put "God" in the author field. Just leave it blank. 
BUT...BUT ... BUT... at that point you retreat behind the Anglo American
Cataloging Rules...<g>)

--Debbie



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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Cuneus was (Pagan Rock Artists...)
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:44:26 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <fTFYfqo@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us writes:

 > Some interesting words you're beating around there. Though "cunt" is one
 > of the big "BAD" words in US English, I've always thought it
 > interesting. Cuneus is Latin for wedge, as in Cuneiform, meaning wedge
 > form, the written language of Mesopotamia. Symbolic of the triangle, female
 > genitalia and the triple Goddess.

Natural rock formations of this shape, especially those bringing forth
springs of water, are extremely powerful women's dreaming places here
in the The Great South Land. Young girls are taken there to hear the
old mothers sing the sad and haunting songs of love betrayed for years
before their own initiations are due to take place.

Gil

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From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Back files of pagan publications
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:45:16 PDT

You might also consider shoving the pagan publications through an OCR scanner,
saving text as text and images (e.g. drawings, etc.) as images where
necessary and storing the output on anything from mag tape to cartridges
to videotape storage to... whatever looks most cost effective. This will also
allow on-line storage and transmission, will be a better archival storage
medium.. and I don't know the legal angles regarding Fair Use under Copyright
law... though in at least some cases, the magazines no longer exist...


This may well be cheaper than microfiche at this point.

Blessings
A.Lizard
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Dragon
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:18:08 GMT
	<1992Oct12.215456.2296@radian.uucp>
Organization: to the beat, tic-toc, and it don't stop

In article <fTAjrAk@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us writes:
>> > Couldn't agree more. War makes a very poor metaphor for life. As
>> > Nietzsche put it, don't cast out the devil in you for fear of losing your
>> > best part. Make love with your self, not war. Turn the energy around. Do
>> > the right thing.

In article <-1367161483snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> 
gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>>Hm. Do I detect a trace of latent nobility here?

In article <1992Oct12.215456.2296@radian.uucp> 
markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr, the Silverdragon) writes:
>Sounds to me what THWhite had Arthur doing in Once & Future King: put
>Might on the side of Right. On the other hand, Paul's attribution, in
>context, makes the dragon a devil, which I disagree with. (Hmph!) I might
>point out that in one way, we are *all* children of the Dragon: Sol resides
>within the constellation of Draco.

Why are Westerners always fighting and slaying the dragon if it does not
represent the Christian Devil? Why did St. Patrick eliminate snakes from
Ireland, according to legend? Why do so many fear snakes, are snakes
inherently evil (bad)? Which is worse, a snake biting a human or a human
slaping a mosquito? The real question is what exactly is the
Christian Devil? Is there a source of evil (bad) and can it be eliminated
and would the absence of evil (bad) in this world be a "good" thing? What
does it mean to have good without evil (bad)? Is that like life without
death?