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Subject: Re: second batch of problems: tcsh, adduser, hostname, lilo.
Reply-To: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:32:14 +0000

In article <1hqvjiINNivb@tamsun.tamu.edu> ail8070@tamuts.tamu.edu (Andy I. Liaw) writes:
> Hi all!
> 
> 3. If I changed the hostname to something other than softland,
>    it'll remain changed.  But After reboot the hostname is back to
>    softland.  What's causing this?
> 

You need to change the name in tools/version.h which doesn't get updated
for some reason.  Maybe a change to version.sh would fix it.....?

Cheers,

Alan.
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From: nyet@cco.caltech.edu (n liu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Using other IRQ's for com ports (was Re: Serial driver issues)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 00:29:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

joergp@gmd.de (Joerg Prust) writes:

>In <1heirvINN3gr@gap.caltech.edu> nyet@cco.caltech.edu (n liu) writes:

>>I pulled off the parallel 1 jumper in a weak attempt to disable the address
>>decoding, but linux still thinks its there.

>>However, the setup did seem to work, but the lpt thing bothers me.

>>So the question here is how to disable the lpt port so com3 and 4 can use
>>irq 5 or 7.

>I tried to reproduce that behavior with a couple of cards, but Linux always
>correctly disregarded the printer port (0.99p1 + CONFIG_AUTO_IRQ).
>Did your card manual sheet state explicitely that no jumper means disabling
>the port?

My manual "sheet" consisted of only the jumper diagram I included in the orginal
post - the fact that linux STILL thinks the parallel port is there would
indicate that merely no jumper on the address selection is not enough to
disable it. So I assume that unless there is another component to "disabling"
lpt's (apart from irq and address decoding), the card is now simply decoding
not only the correct lpt1 addresses, but other random addresses as well.

If this is the case, I have no way of disabling it short of finding a schematic
diagram of the card showing how the address lines are used for chip select and
clipping traces :-(

In any case, I have long since given up on the i/o card and will eventually buy
a smarter one.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Admin)
Subject: Re: SLS 98p5: ioctl invalid argument in boot up
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.134615.12447@news.ysu.edu> ah214@yfn.ysu.edu (Weijin Mai) writes:
>
>	Every Linux boot up, it gives ioctl : Invalid argument. What is ioctl?
>Is this a serious problem? How can I fix it?

I get that error too...was told to just ignore it...but I hate having 
warnings, so if someone has an answer, please post it? :)

Thanks...

Marc
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From: Steve.Harrington@f34.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Harrington)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Trying to compile cweb (strange gcc message)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 15:22:54 -0800

 CB> From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)

 CB>   I have tried to install the ``literate programming'' system
cweb,
 CB> which consists of the programs common.c, ctangle.c, 
 CB> cweave.c.  I'm using
 CB> the 97p2 MCC release.

 CB>    Common.c seems to compile, but ctangle.c produces a message
like:

 CB> /pub/include/stdio : parse error before '02'.

 CB> Specifically I don't understand why it's 
 CB> complaining about a header file
 CB> rather than ctangle.c itself.

The problem is that cweb redefines certain variables.  It has been
a long time since I compiled cweb so I don't remember exactly
which ones are redefined.  I solved the problem by changing
the variables (about 3 of them) and all references in cweb to
a non-header-file name and compiled.
 
Hope this helps.  If not, e-mail me and I'll try to find the
exact variables used.
 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mfrankow@hamline.edu (Mike Frankowski)
Subject: Re: fstat dead under 0.99.1
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:22:29 GMT

The Wyvern (wyvern@gnu.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: The fstat/fuser programs from the ps package seem to be broken under
: 0.99.1 - an fstat gives this:
: USER     COMMAND    PID    FD  DEV   INUM   SZ|DV MODE       NAME
: 
: and that's it. All the other programs in the package seem to work
: without any problems. At first I thought that ps and family
: might just need to be recompiled, as is the case so often, but
: recompilation didn't seem to produce any results.
: Anyone else having this problem?

Same problem here, all other things work (maybe not fuser, but then again
I have never had a need for it).

Mike
From: rob@phavl.UUCP (Robert Ransbottom)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help w/ rebuilding/installing kernel
Date: 28 Dec 92 07:22:24 GMT
Organization: erehton

From the current SLS distribution. 

make boot   # ROOT_DEV=/dev/sda4

reboot
... [ sensing etc.]
...
Partition table ok.
general protection: 0000
EIP: 0008:000B6C4
EFLAGS: 00010286
fs: 0017
base: C0000000, limit 000A0000
Pid: 1, process nr: 1
8b 13 85 d2 74 27 83 3a 02 74

I don't have a clue.
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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (R.Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: /bin/mail has smart-host?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:13
Organization: Not Very Ltd.

As I have no docs for /bin/mail:  Is it possible to define somewhere
a smart-host to have all remote mail spooled to a specific site ---
without installing the huge smail package?

It *must* be possible.

Thanks in advance,
ralf
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From: Gary.Pfeffer@f1161.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Pfeffer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Uucp: Can't get login name
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 13:56:41 -0800



First off, thanks to everyone who has offered me advice and solutions
to
the problems I put forward.  I would send personally routed Thank Yous
but I am sending through FIDO and am not sure they would be received
properly.  Additionally, lots of little thank yous would increase
traffic.

So with that off my chest,

I have come along way in my attempt to rid my system of segmentation
errors from uucp software.  A patch is applied, -fwritable-strings is
being used and the segmentation error is replaced by a message about
writing to code space.

My little "Event not found" message turned out to be ignorance on my
part about bash and csh similarities.

So my lastest stumbling block is:

        "uucp: Can't get login name"

I looked around the source code and through docs for answers but came
up
with nothing.

We are talking about an outbound transfer now.  IE:

        uucp myfile btsci\!/usr/spool/uucppublic

This code returns:

uucp writes to code space
uucp:  Can't get login name


I have a feeling this is my last hurdle (I'm an optimist).

Again.  Thanks for all the help.

Maybe after I can communicate with linux I can start using the E-mail
systems I know and love for future communications.

Gary

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From: gumby@cumquat.apana.org.au (Tony Sander)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Dos Emulator/Multitasking
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 11:41:51 +1030
Organization: Beyond Oblivion

Hi folks ...

Just wondering if anyone knows either

1) When the DOS emulator will be available and/or
2) Is it possible to run the DOS emulator on more than one console (?).

        -ajs, the linux newbie

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.announce
From: unislc@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Ed Carp)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: QWK reader uploaded to tsx-11
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Keywords: qwk, offline reader
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:02:59 GMT
Return-Path: <erc@unislc.slc.unisys.com>

I've uploaded a QWK reader to tsx-11 - it can be found in
tsx-11.mit.edu:/incoming/atp-1.3.tar.Z.  It's 84427 bytes.  I haven't been
able to find atpqwk-1.4 yet, but I'm still looking... :)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: mail Q
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:10:39 GMT

Randy Beiter (ah200@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:

: I've got elm put up, but when I try to send mail, it says it can't find
: /bin/rmail - anyone know where I can find the source or binary for rmail?
: thanks much.

/bin/rmail should be linked to /bin/mail.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: fdisk with SCSI problem
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:08:39 GMT

In article <BzzGJ4.F7s@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.104818.20871@walter.cray.com> rsocia@alberti.cray.com (Rick Socia) writes:
>>I booted the SLS 0.98.5 disks, and was in the process of trying to use the
>>fdisk supplied to create some partitions.  However, when invoked, fdisk
>>responds with "unable to read /dev/hda".  Does any one know why?
>>
>>My Adaptec 1542B (3.10) and my Quantum 80MB disk are recognized at boot up.
>>I do know the the IRQ is set for Adaptec's default value (11?) and not the
>>default MFM value (?).  any ideas?
>
>Please POST this one!  I need to know too.

	You need to use ``fdisk /dev/sda''.  /dev/hda is always an IDE disk,
and this is the default.

-Eric
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From: 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Son of SLS questions (tm)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:41:26 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu

I had the exact same could not create symlink problem myself, it
doesn't seem to cause any problems. Of course since I'm the only user
I haven't played with mail much.


Thanks for the passwd tip.
Jonathan

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jeffk@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jeff Kopmanis)
Subject: minicom questions
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:11:07 GMT

I have a few quick (I hope !) questions pertaining to minicom.

I have gotten it to work, and have applied the patch to get it to work in
0.99p1.  I have a couple of glitches and was wondering if there is some
setup option I'm missing, or if it truely is a glitch.

1)  My backspace produces a  ^?  response from my online system.  This
indicates to me that it doesn't understand what I'm doing when I press the
backspace key.  I've tried it with both the BS and DEL settings from the
configure menu.  Both give identical results.  I'm dialing into SunOS on an
old Sun 2 and have emulation set to vt100.  Procomm Plus (via Mush-DOS)
works fine...what's the deal?

2)  If I try to change the backspace setting while in a session, minicom
locks up.  Bug or user-err?  I'm clueless.

3)  Is there a way to get minicom to use my entire screen (height-wise)?  I
find it annoying to have it use only a portion of my screen for output.

4)  If the above isn't available is there any scroll-back mode or command
available?

5)  I'm a programmer and can add these things once I study the code for a
while.  Is there anyone actively working on feature additions for minicom?
Who is it?  

I'm looking to replace Procomm Plus from DOS, and minicom comes close, but
there are still a few things missing before I switch.  I can work on it,
but need a little direction before I begin.

Thanks, 

-Jeff.

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From: ghod@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: compiling kernel...found problem??
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:22:59 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Dec31.025519.15851@netcom.com>, zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.183138.2813@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ghod@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>In article <marcf.725751581@yorku.ca>, marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier) writes:
>>> 
>>> inode.c:22: #error The iso9660 filesystem can only be used with CDROM.
>>> make[2]: *** [dep] Error 1
>>> make[1]: *** [dep] Error 1
>>> make: *** [dep] Error 1
>>> 
>>> Marc
>>
>>I and a friend spent sime time mulling over this the other day and we think
>>we've narrowed the problem down to /usr/src/linux/fs/Makefile. If you look
> 
> If you read c.o.l over the last 2 weeks you would have seen Linus note the
> problem, and the fact that he announce patch level 0.99.1 that fixes this
> problem, amongst others.
> Please upgrade to 0.99.1

I did. Two hours after reading Linus' announcement of its release, which was
almost exactly a week ago. The fs Makefile hadn't changed, and I wasn't in
the mood for any complications so I edited it rather than be surprised by
any error messages. Works for me. 

-Bill
ghod@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu   or   ghod@drycas.bitnet
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: A discipline for packages
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 03:35:56 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

You know something I've always hated about Unix (and people are
starting to hate about Windows)?

When you install a package, it inserts itself inextricably into
various places in your system.

What I would rather see is a subdirectory per package.  For example,
/package/sendmail (and the corresponding subdirectories lib, src, cf,
man.1, man.5, man.8, bin, etc).

This seems a lot cleaner than every program in the world inserting
itself into /etc, /usr/lib/, /usr/bin, /usr/man,
/usr/local/lib/package, etc.  Of course, you'd still need to have
these things inserted into the standard places, so that it still
looked like a Unix machine.  But this could be done through the use
of symbolic links and a program that automatically created them.  It
would walk through /package/*/bin for things to put into /usr/bin,
/package/*/man* for things to put into /usr/man/man*, /package/*/etc
for things to put into /etc.

Then, when you wanted to remove a package, you'd just rm -r
/package/name, then re-run the symlinks builder.

Of course, chasing down all these symlinks is going to make your
system less efficient.  But that's solvable by creating cache files,
and gradually improving programs so that they look in the cache files
instead of at the symlinks.  Of course, the cache files get
automatically built also.

And, of course, the symlinks builder could also be told to look in
places other than /package.

Why don't I just go off and do this myself?  Well, because the chief
benefit comes from easy package installation/removal.  These benefits
don't come unless people *do* it.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: Re: A few misc questions, and a thank you
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 20:03:09 GMT

In article <andrewc.725878612@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au> andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !) writes:
>ah200@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Randy Beiter) writes:
>
>>Question/problem #1: I grabbed screen3.2 patched for linux, got it compiled
>>			using the .a file that is graciously included,
>>			since gcc barfed all over the source :) and root
>>			can run it fine, however, any non-root user gets
>>			told the /tmp/.screens dir needs to be mode 777,
>>			and when I set it this way, it says there are no
>>			pty's free, and exits. When I run screen as root,
>>			it always demands the /tmp/.screens dir be 755,
>>			and as long as it is, screen is content when
>>			run under root. Any ideas what could be causing
>>			this? My guess is some permissions messed up
>>			somewhere, but I can't find where :)
>Yeah, same happens to me.
>I don't use screen anymore, but it occurred to me that this was perhaps if you
>changed screen to be setuid root, which seems like a possible security hole, but...

The next release of SLS will have screen, which does work, both suid and not.
Other features include rcs, term, lpr, cpio, sysv init, revised tcpip install,
etc.

Won't be till after 1.0 is out though :-)

Peter
From: simmon@eeel.nist.gov (Eric Simmon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: where is the NEW telnetd ?
Summary: where can i find telnetd?
Keywords: telnetd location
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:05:37 GMT

I am trying to get telnet (tcpip) running with the new kernel (0.99),
I can telnet out of my machine, but I can not telnet in from the outside.
Someone mentioned that there is a new telnetd which solves these probs.
Is this true, and if so where is telnetd?


thanks,

Eric Simmon


simmon@eeel.nist.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: a080700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Stephen Wong S M)
Subject: Re: Suggest inclusion of the QIC-02 driver
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:46:09 GMT

In article <BzF1I9.2sI@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) writes:
>I second inclusion of the QIC-02 driver!

I third inclusion of QIC-02 driver (for Archive/Wangtek).


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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: /bin/mail has smart-host?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:06:47 GMT

R.Stephan (ralf@ark.abg.sub.org) wrote:

: As I have no docs for /bin/mail:  Is it possible to define somewhere
: a smart-host to have all remote mail spooled to a specific site ---
: without installing the huge smail package?
: 
: It *must* be possible.

Yes.  Put a line like "smart-host<TAB>hostname" in /usr/lib/uucp/paths.
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From: syy@educ11 (Sang Y. Yum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help needed to setup KERMIT on SLS for a hayes compat modem
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:07:01 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
: Dear readers
: 
: I have SLS running on my 486DX machine and I also have kermit runing in the SLS 
: environment. I have a hayes compatable fax/modem connected to com2 ( serial
: port 2) how can I tell kermit which is running under LINUX (SLS) that I want it
: to access com2 ( ie. what device name do I have to use).
: 
: Thank you in advance, please email me if you have a solution to my problem.
: 
: 
: Yours faithfully
: 
: Payam Pourbeik
: 
: University of South Australia
: School of Electronic Engineering
: 
: P.S. My modem is also auto-dial and auto-answer
: 2400 baud

I have a exactly same question, except that my modem is 14.4K Fax modem.

Thanks for your helps in advance.

Sang

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From: nieuwhzn@fys.ruu.nl (Gerrit J. Nieuwenhuizen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Memory usage Xmono
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:25:56 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands


What are the memory requirements when running Xmono?
In other words, can I run Xmono with only 4 Megs, without
swapping continuously?
What if I switch off the backing store?


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			University of Utrecht
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From: Kevin.Anderson@f303.n232.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux v0.98
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:42:16 -0800

I'm sure I sound like a complete idiot, but with all the previous
versions of Linux I've had, when it booted I had the chance to pick the
regular 80x25 resolution, or pick between 2 SVGA modes.  Now, with v0.98
it goes straight to my highest SVGA resolution, which hurts my eyes if I
look at it too long...
:-)  Is there a way to disable/choose what mode I want?  Thanks



                                        Kevin


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From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: QIC-02 Status ?
Summary: Whats the latest version? etc...
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:26:55 GMT
Organization: camaro


What is the current version/status of the QIC-02 Drivers?  I have a copy
of them but they are still BETA and meant for .96a ... 
 
 
I can't seem to mail the author, keeps bouncing...
 
 
I'm using 0.99p1, and I have the following drives:
 
	Archive 5945c & Sc400 Full-Length Card
		      & Wangtek Full-Length Card
		      & Genoa QIC-02 Half Card
 
  Does anyone have them working with 0.99 and is the qic-02 support now
in the kernel? 
 
  If there is a newer qic-02 driver, where is it available?  Thanks guys
 
							Tim
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