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From: dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:38:23 PST

>>8) Fewest pitches thrown in an inning: 3.  many people
> 
> This one, easily the most insightful record of all time, 
> made me wonder.  Wouldn't that record be one?  If it's the
> bottom of the ninth, and the leadoff batter hits a game
> winning homer on the first pitch, the game is over, which 
> seems to mean the inning is over, with only one pitch thrown.

I guess the original poster meant "fewest pitches thrown in a 3-out inning."

But how about the following scenario.  The pitcher gives up a single to 
the leadoff batter on the first pitch.  He then balks, runners on
first and second, 1 pitch thrown.  He then picks off both runners.
The next batter pops up on the first pitch thrown to him.

The pitcher recorded three outs and got through the inning with only 
two pitches.  I wonder if anything like this has ever happened.

- Dan Simon -
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:32305 tor.general:1495
From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,tor.general
Subject: Re: Toronto Fans
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:58:40 GMT
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

de2brown@zeno17.math.UWaterloo.ca (Darren Brown) writes:

> >If you're going to use the 4 million+ attendance numbers since Skydome as
> >evidence, you should put them in context.  My 1990 Almanac lists Toronto as
> >having a population of over 3.4 million, based on 1986 census numbers.
> >It's not clear from my source whether this refers to just the city alone,
> >or whether it refers to the metropolitan area.  If it's just the city
> >alone, and we compare comparable numbers for the city alone for the US
> >cities, Toronto would be the largest city with only one team.
> >
> >Does anyone have numbers for the metropolitan area of Toronto?
> 
> I think your almanac needs some new data.  The population of METRO Toronto is
> about 2.2, 2.3 million.
> That 3.4 million figure sounds like it might be for a 40 km radius around TO.

I recall some data stamped with the most recent census stating that
Toronto has 3.9 million in its "metropolitan area". This doesn not mean
the "city of toronto" which is a different thing, and doesnt include
North York, East York, Scarborough, Etobikoke, etc.

/kc


Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
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From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Protected Players
Keywords: Official list from Chicago Tribune
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:22:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T

This morning's Chicago Tribune (11/12) printed the entire list
of protected players for next week's draft.  They did mention that
the list was supposed to be "highly secret", but that they somehow
got a hold of it.

Rich Barry
barry@ihlpe.att.com
From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: As Reported In The Press.....
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:54:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Nov13.165407.714
Organization: Our Lady Of The Stand-Up Triple

Those who read this little ditty to the end will be suitably rewarded :-)

I was told that it appeared in September in the Austin American-Statesman,
under the byline of Rudyard Henbane

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PRILEP, Yugoslavia (AP) -- Outside a small Macedonian village close to
the border between Greece and strife-torn Yugoslavia, a lone Catholic
nun keeps a quiet watch over a silent convent. She is the last
caretaker of the site of significant historical developments spanning
more than 2,000 years.

When Sister Maria Cyrilla of the Order of the Perpetual Watch dies, the
convent of St. Elias will be closed by the Eastern Orthodox Patirach of
Macedonia.

However, that isn't likely to happen soon as Sister Maria, 53, enjoys
excellent health.

By her own estimate, she walks 10 miles daily about the grounds of the
convent, which once served as a base for the army of Attila the Hun. In
more ancient times, a Greek temple to Eros, the god of love, occupied
the hilltop site. Historians say that Attila took over the old temple
in 439 AD and used it as a base for his marauding army.

The Huns are believed to have first collected and then destroyed a large
gathering of Greek legal writs at the site.

It is believed that Attila wanted to study the Greek legal system, and
had the writs and other documents brought to the temple. Scholars
differ on why he had the valuable documents destroyed--either because he
was barely literate and couldn't read them, or becuase they provided
evidence of democratic government that did not square with his own
notion of rule by an all-powerful tyrant.

When the Greek church took over the site in the 15th Century, and the
convent was built, church leaders ordered the pagan statue of Eros
destroyed, so another ancient Greek treasure was lost. Today, there is
only the lone sister, watching over the old Hun base.

And that's how it ends: No Huns, no writs, no Eros, and nun left on base.

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              If you're really hip, the passing years will show.
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  paula@koufax.cv.hp.com   Paul Andresen  Hewlett-Packard  (503)-750-3511

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                            A SABR member since 1979
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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE (long)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:24:59 GMT

I knew I'd screw up somewhere. 
Thanks to Jim Laredo for catching my a big one:
July
13	ALL STAR GAME @ ORIOLES

I hope this gets out. we're having a few problems with our mail server.

-- 
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Ren-n-Stimpy in '92! Vote for a real cartoon!    |Boulder, CO 80306
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From: mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney)
Subject: Re: Ripken wins Gold Glove!!!!!
Reply-To: mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:05:51 GMT

Sorry about that last one, I'll try it again??

>No, it means he has the best defensive reputation.  Which is nowhere near
>the best defense.  The average ML range for SS was 4.70.  Cal had 4.57,
    That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it!! The GG is based on reputation
  and not on performance??
>nMaybe, in a sick sense, it makes up for the Gold Gloves Cal should've won
>when he was younger, but I'd prefer if the GG were awarded on this season's
>performance rather than performance 5-8 years ago.
   DOn't we all!!!

>Player   Inn  PO  A  E  DP  RF     F%
>Ripken  1440 287 445 12 117 4.57  .985
>Gagne   1146 207 438 18  82 5.06  .972
>Listach 1279 238 451 24  89 4.85  .966

VIZQUEL  1099 208 389 6  91  4.89  .990

matt
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From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: John Valentin
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:45:07 PST

In article <1992Nov8.054401.12636@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <1di5oeINNeot@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402747@brownvm.brown.edu (blomberg cepeda) writes:
>>
>>It is very unfair to do any MLE for New Britain without *serious* park
>>adjustments. Beehive Field is about the size of Alaska (okay, okay,
>>without the panhandle) and averages just plummet there.
> 
> This I understand.  The numbers were still dreadful, however.  I don't
> know whether to take that as a serious negative or not.  Given his
> success the past two years in Pawtucket, I don't take it too
> seriously.  He is definitely not a .270 hitter in the majors, however.
> And with a .240 BA, his OBP and SLG drop from star-level to
> above-average.
> 
>>There has been serious talk in the
>>Boston media about the negative effect this has had on some players, setting
>>back their careers because of the pyschological shock of losing 50 points or
>>more on their BA between Lynchburg and NB--I think Eric Wedge was an example.
> 
> I agree.  I wouldn't send a pitcher to New Britain, because it teaches
> bad habits.  They can lean on the park for a crutch...  And you don't
> want to send hitters there, because no matter *how* good the hitter
> is, they won't hit higher than .260 or so...  Power?  Killed even
> more!  I think the single-season record for HR was 14 before Blosser
> smashed it this year (which says something about how good Blosser
> is!).
> 

  Here's a quick comment on minor league parks.  Given the above discussion
  regarding the psychological effects of moving from a high-offense 'A' park
  to a low-offense 'AA' (or vice-versa), wouldn't it be in the ML teams best
  interest to have it's minor league affiliates stay park-neutral ?  I do
  realize that the minor league management has other concerns, but aren't
  there things that New Britain (for example) could do to become more park-
  neutral ?

  Mark Pede


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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: All-payroll team
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:59:51 GMT
Keywords: Angels ink Hough, Fisk (my prediction)

Okay, alright.  I couldn't resist.  If H. Wayne Huizenga wanted to blow his
fortune, this is the team he could come up with and contend instantly.
Same goes for the Rockies ownership.

This is not a bad crowd.  Is it me or does anyone else have the feeling that
quite a few of the older guys are going to end up on the Angels?

Here (needless to say, subject to debate) is my 25-man free agent roster.

1B	Mark McGwire	Glenn Braggs
2B	Harold Reynolds	Lou Whitaker	
SS	Greg Gagne	Ozzie Smith	
3B	Wade Boggs	Kevin Seitzer	
C	Terry Steinbach	Benito Santiago	
DH	Paul Molitor	
OF	Barry Bonds	Kirby Puckett	Ruben Sierra	
	Joe Carter	Robin Yount	
P	David Cone	Doug Drabek	Greg Maddux	
P	Jimmy Key	John Smiley	Mark Gubicza	
RP	Jeff Russell	Tom Henke	Randy Myers	

I am sure that what is going to happen is:  the marquis (not grissom) players
will get the big bucks, but the mediocre ones will have a difficult time
getting the deal they want.  You will not see any more Matt Young or Danny
Darwin type contracts.  Will this year be a record for the number of players
to change uniforms?

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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: Rockies First Player!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:03:00 GMT

In article <9211110551.AA23717@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes...
>The Colorado Rockies Tuesday acquired pitcher Travis Buckley from the Montreal 
>Expos; the trade made Buckley officially the first player on the 40-player 
>roster of Colorado!!!

	So the question now is, who on earth is Travis Buckley and what
did he ever do to deserve the honor of being the first ever Rocky?

> 
>Wow, so I guess he gets the honors of first Rocky, eh?  (Or does one actually 
>have to end up on the final opening day roster?)
>

	I'd rather see Hector Villanueva!  We KNOW who HE is ...

							Jason Miller

>Rob
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From: yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand)
Subject: Is Murray outta here?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:26:00 GMT


	The New York Times is today reporting that the Mets did not 
protect Eddie Murray and instead chose to protect all three of their
top prospects, Jeromy Burnitz, Brook Fordyce, and  Butch Huskey. Apparently,
the Tony Fernandez deal forced the Mets hand since they weren't planning
on protecting Whitehurst.  Al Harazin is apparently sweating bullets
over this decision.

						Kenny G

Memo to LT: Thanks for all the great memories.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: summers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (erick m. summers)
Subject: Re: The value of speed (was Re: bonds in atlanta in 1993)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:48:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.192818.24855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>
>Since stolen bases don't move other runners, if any, on the bases, adding
>it to SLG doesn't seem right...
>
	This is not a very good argument for why not to add stolen bases
in SLG.  If a guy hits a triple, its three total bases whether the bases
are empty, loaded, or a combination thereof.  I really don't think that
SLG is a determination of how many runners you move or how far you move
them.
 
>What Bill James does in his RC formula is to add .52 for each stolen base
>to the slugging component, and take away 1 for each caught stealing from
>the on base component.
>
	I could see this working, and by including this statement you
contradict yourself.  First you say adding stolen bases doesn't seem right
and then you demonstrate how to use Bill James' formula to factor in the
stolen base.

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From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:57:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell, Inc.


OK, I had a few favorites (and not all were on the Cubs, although I did  
grow up on the North Side), but here's one of them that no one else has  
listed yet:

Ron Santo (and why isn't he in the Hall yet?!?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: karpf@sartre.wro.dec.com (Len Karpf)
Subject: Phillies protected list?
Reply-To: karpf@sartre.wro.dec.com (Len Karpf)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:19:14 GMT



Has anyone seen a projected Phillies protected list in the Philadelphia 
papers?  Can the Phils find 15 guys worthy of draft protection?
						    Len Karpf
						    karpf@sartre.wro.dec.com
From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 most unbreakable record in baseball history
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:24:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: bunker.BxGoHF.H4J
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company (Shelton, CT)

In article <52@abcom.ATT.COM> mostrss@abcom.ATT.COM (7394 ) writes:
|>Here are mine:
|>  
|>  1) Babe Ruth's .847 slugging average in 1920!!!!
|>     54 HRs 36 2Bs 9 3Bs 73 1Bs all in 458 atbats. WOW!!!!!!
|>

	How about margin of homerun title in a league ? In 1920 and
	1921 Ruth hit 35 homeruns more than the runner up (54/19 and
	59/24, respectively). Any achievement comparable to this is
	baseball history ?


						jerry
From: v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:37:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov11.193814.18923@odin.corp.sgi.com>, kubey@sgi.com 
(Ken Kubey) writes...
>From what I've heard and read, Lurie himself voted against the sale.
>Maybe he decided that it was worth $15 million to *not* be the 
>most hated person in the San Francisco Bay Area for years to come.

Actually, Lurie didn't get a vote. But history teaches us what will happen
here. Tampa officials will sue, Florida officials will posture for their
constituents, and the court case will be tied up until the next expansion. 
At that time, Tampa will be awarded a franchise. 

See ...  Washington, Milwaukee, and Seattle.

Ted Kury
v085f2wd@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Sac Bunts, Stolen Bases, and Winning
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:52:11 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I don't think that this is the sort of thing that we can
know, because you can't play the same series "both ways,"
but it certainly was my impression that the Braves bunted
and ran themselves out of a lot of potential big innings,
and I think out of the series.  I know people will say,
"they should have won because they stole X bases," but I
think on the balance their running was counterproductive.
If my memory doesn't fail me, the same was to a lesser extent
true with Oakland, although I think many of their running
mistakes were blunders, not strategic errors.
-- 
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From: C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Villanueva
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:48:32 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

For those of you who haven't heard...

The Chicago Cubs released catcher Hector Villaneuva today!!!

(Seeing as how he was a net-hero at one point in the recent past, I was 
wondering how people would react to this...).

Any word on anyone trying to sign him?  (Hmmm, Hector in Denver, miiiighty 
iiiinteresting.... :-)

Rob
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:42:00 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:

> And KNBR would run out
>of things to talk about :->.

They were REALLY sweating it, especially since their Arbs go into the noise
during the offseason. KNBR without the Giants is pretty close to dead. 

>But really, Tampa deserves the team more than SF.

Probably. I hope they DO get a team soon. While I benefit from the MLB
decision to keep the giants here, I'm a bit mystified why they put so many
hours into trying to keep a franchise here given the massive enthusiasm
shown by the local fans and the local ownership group. They obviously have
their reasons, but I can't figure them out.

>The Bay has voted down
>a decent stadium three times

four times, actually.

>the stick and love it.  Support was rotten this year, when of all times a
>show of support might have been the difference between staying and leaving.
>So the apathetic bay area gets to keep the team they don't care about, and
>Tampa gets shafted.  Again.  (Note -- there are a lot of people in the bay
>who care about the Giants, unfortunately they aren't a majority.  And Tampa
>really did get shafted.)

>Of course, I am glad that the Giants are staying on natural grass, with no
>dome.  Maybe if Tampa built a new stadium :->.

Hell, as much as I dislike turf and domes, I'll take both any day over the
Stick. Just because it's grass doens't mean it's better.

>I'm dying to know Ralph Barbieri's (sic?) reaction.

Ralph was semi-coherent. Burbling. Ecstatic. At one point he told Pete
Franklin listening to the press conference was better than sex (no kidding.
He then later amended it to being better than most sex). He's fun to listen
to normally, but when he gets giddy....


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    I wanna drive the zamboni! I wanna drive the zamboni, yes I do.
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Gold Gloves Announced
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:24:15 GMT
Organization: Boo!  

From memory:
NL
1st: Grace
2nd: Lind
Short: Ozzie
Third: Pendleton
OF: Van Slyke, Bonds, Walker
C: Pagnozzi

AL:
1st: Mattingly
2nd: Alomar
Short: Ripken
Third: Ventura
OF: White, Puckett, Griffey
C: Rodriguez

My opinions: The only award that I strongly disagree with in the NL
is Van Slyke.  5 years ago he was very good.  Now he gets on more
highlight films, but doesn't cover the ground he once did.

The AL, on the other hand, seems silly to me.  Puckett just isn't that
able to cover very much ground - I wouldn't even play him in center -
and Griffey is much better at appearing in highlight films than playing
center field.  Not surprisingly, I don't agree with Mattingly either, but
that's been dealt with either.  Also, I don't think that Roberto Alomar is
as consistent as he is spectacular - I may not take much stock in one year
range factors, but its extraordinarily unlikely that the guy with the worst
range factor in the league is the best fielder.         

Greg
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rangers 15-man protected list
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:25:18 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West) writes:
: Since there appears to be a few Ranger fans out there, I thought I
: would post this:
: 
: Published in the Dallas Morning News today is the Expansion Draft
: protected list.  In no particular order, the 15 Rangers protected are:

Is this the actual list, or just the paper's best guess?  As I
understand it, the league is threatening HUGE fines for teams which
violate the confidentiallity agreement concerning the protected
lists.
      Bill Anderson
From: ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE: TORONTO FANS
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Canada 416-283-0114 2000+ conferences
Reply-To: ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans) 

In <1992Nov4.010238.17337@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>,
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) wrote:

-> I think it was just over 2M when I left a year ago (2M - 1?) but the
-> 3.4M that you have would refer to bedroom communities, Oshawa,
-> Mississauga, Burlington and Hamilton possibly.  These latter all have
-> their own municipal governments and are not a part of Toronto.

That figure is for Metropolitan Toronto and does not include the bedroom
cities mentioned.
                                   
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