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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:08:40 GMT

etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:

> Sweden:
>
>	Tomas Sandstrom - Peter Forsberg - Mats Sundin
>	     Fredrik Olausson - Nicklas Lidstrom
>		      Tommy Soderstrom
>
> (Holy Smokes.. what a line! The opponents would shit their pants... :-) 

Not a bad line indeed, but I wouldn't praise it that much. ;-)

BTW, has Tommy S|derstr|m recovered from his heart surgery? 

> Finland:  perhaps..
>
>   	Jarkko Varvio - Mika Nieminen - Teemu Selanne
>		Timo Jutila - Janne Laukkanen
>	             Markus Ketterer

Varvio has been injured for a long time and Ketterer is having a mediocre
season. Sela"nne is a self-evident choice and Nieminen and Jutila are both
good choices. I would pick Jyrki Lumme instead of Laukkanen though.

My choice would be:

       Mikko M{kel{ - Jari Kurri - Teemu Sel{nne
          Teppo Numminen - Jyrki Lumme
                Kari Takko

Kari Takko has declined to play for Finland for personal reasons, but I'd
still have him as the number one goalie. This is the "Dream Team", you know.

> Oh, and BTW, there won't be any "Dream Teams" in the Olympics, not even
> if NHL decide to allow their players to compete. The reason being is that
> IIHF won't allow it. IIHF's secretary-general, Jan Ake Edvinsson, told
> a newspaper that IIHF won't allow NHL pros *as long as* NHL will not
> allow their best players in the World Championships. And the chance of
> NHL taking a break for both the Olympics and the WC is as close to zero
> as it can get, right.

If the NHL bosses really want to have their "Dream Team", I'm sure they
will have enough cash to persuade the IIHF bureaucrats. There's little in
the Olympics that money can't buy. Perhaps they'll compromise so that 
Canada Cup is replaced by a real World Championship tournament arranged every
four years or perhaps I'm just dreaming...

Janne Kivela"

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
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From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: NHL STATS
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:29:27 GMT


OK. since there is so much mass confusion on how to obtain the NHL
Statistics file that I am generating, here is how to do it for all you
that
are completely confused.

it is very simple.

at your main prompt, issue the following command:

finger mmilitzo@hal.skidmore.edu

that is it, let me know if you have further problems.
Matt
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From: blob@gallant.apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Oilers 4-3
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:17:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>Thursday, November 12, 7:30 P. M., at the Cow Palace:

>The Sharks played better than they had in a while, but still came up without
>a point, losing their 4th straight, as Ron Tugnutt shined in relief of Bill
>Ranford, who left at 17:14 of the first period with a bruised thigh, stopping
>25 of 28 San Jose shots for the victory.  

Edmonton's Bill Ranford suffered a pulled quadricep muscle in his right
leg in the first period and will be out indefinitely. Ron Tugnutt came
on in relief, and the Oilers called up goaltender Andrew Verner.

>Then, the Oilers went ahead at 5:17 on the power-play.  Right off a
>faceoff, Petr Klima stole the puck from confused Shark defensemen
>Pederson and Rob Zettler, and skated in on a break-away against Irbe,
>and blasted the puck by Irbe.

Another point against Zettler!  He's my nominee for the Ken Hammond
memorial "brick-on-skates" award.  Of course, since Ken is still playing
(if you can call it that) for Ottawa...

--Brian Bechtel     blob@apple.com     "My opinion, not Apple's"
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Nov. 12 games of the night!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:45:45 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu

In article <92317.091816RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, RAP115@psuvm writes:
>1 Star (Warm up for the fight tomorrow night.)
>Oilers at Sharks.  Oilers 1-5 divison, Sharks 1-4.  This one is a battle of the
> weaks.  Edmonton wants to keep their push to .500 going.  Sharks wish they
>had the potential of Tampa Bay.

The Sharks have *more* potential than Tampa Bay -- what they lack is
actual.  Tampa Bay is loaded with now, but not as much potential.

The Islanders were hapless for their first several years, remember.
-- 
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From: wtm1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Tark McMains)
Subject: Instant Replay
Summary: Instant Replay in the NHL
Keywords: Replay
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:02:32 GMT

I was wondering what poeple thought of instant replay in the NHL.  I remember
before it came into effect, someone suggested that it be used like measuring
sticks.  You can asks the reffs to do it once, and if you're wrong you get
a two minute minor.  The way it is done now is stupid.  I remember a game
in the Norris playoffs last year (I don't remember the teams) where a goal
was decided in overtime by replay, and it took all the excitement out of the
game.

Tark

Go Bruins
Go Big Red!
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>Is it still way uncool to be a Leaf fan?

I've been a LEAF fan since the 60's. Since living out west, BOISE IDAHO, I
sort fo lost touch with them. The only thing I had were the standings from
the local paper. TV coverage on local stations is poor and in the 14 years
I've been here the USA network and ESPN covered some games. This year ESPEN
is again bringing games. 

I'll be a LEAF fan to the end. The JAY'S are A OK TOO. EH!

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From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Trevor Linden/Canucks
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:02:44 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

(Tom Gowdyk) writes:
> From what I've seen, Linden appears to be playing without a lot of
> enthusiasm.  Hmmm, I wonder if the big contract has gone to his head.  He is
> trying to stickhandle way too much and play a finese style of game which is
> not Linden.  He is not banging and crashing in the style that made him
> successful.  The other thing I have noticed is that he is shooting when he
> should be passing and passing when he should be shooting.  As the media is
> fond of saying, as Linden goes, so go the Canucks.  I hope Linden snaps out
> of whatever funk he is in, SOON.
> 
Yes, I agree.  When he does pass it often ends up on the opponent's stick -
I think he has cost a number of goals in this fashion. I have no good measure of this but it seems to me that Linden
started playing this way about the time Bure arrived and got such a big
contract without having played a game.

Linden has gone into these slumps before (the beginning of his sophomore year
for example when his rookie year went to his head and he tried to be a finesse
player).

The Canucks have problems beyond Linden though.  Two images from the two games
before the Ottawa game come to mind.  Powerplay - forward standing off the net
passes the puck back to Ronning who winds up to take a slap shot.  The player
who passed the puck stands there and admires his pass while Bure skates from
behind the net on the other side in front of the passer and deflect the puck
into the net.  What was that other forward doing?  It was striking on the
highlight clip!  In the second Calgary game, one minute to go, Canucks up by
one goal, McInnes (Sp?) gets the puck 10 feet off the blue line and is facing
three Canucks standing shoulder to shoulder.  He turns back to the blue line 
and what do the Canucks do?  All three turn to skate back toward MacLean. 
McInnes turns around and finds himself all alone, takes the shot, Canucks ice 
the puck, faceoff, the score is tied.  What were three Canucks doing standing 
shoulder to shoulder out at the blueline in the first place and why did they 
ALL turn back? - we have a serious problem of communication on this team I 
think.

Ron
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Calder: Lindros & more
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:58:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.172141.1026@mala.bc.ca> ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:

>  What were Joe Juneau's reasons for not playing?
>  If they were continuing play for his country, or finishing junior status,
>then these are reasonable reasons.

Sorry, but your insinuations were incorrect.  Both Juneau and Lindros were
doing the same thing: playing for their country in the Olympics.

Juneau was also holding out as well, albeit for a different reason; he had no
problem with going to Boston, but he wanted a one-way contract.

>  Lindros just refused to play, to me that was his choice to void his rookie
>year.  

So, Juneau should also be disqualified?  What about European players like
Teemu Selanne, who did not embrace the great NHL and become grateful to the
Hockey Leviathan, but rather chose to stay in his homeland for several more
years?  Selanne "chose" to not to play for Winnipeg as well, for the past few
years; does that make him not qualified for that great moral indicator, the
Calder Trophy?

What about guys like Nicolai Borschevsky and Dimitri Kvartalnov, who were
our "enemies" before coming here?  What about that Latvian supremacist,
Sandis Ozolinsh?

===============================================================================
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GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: I need info about Leafs' tickets?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:43:46 GMT

I'm planning a trip to Toronto during the last week in January and I 
was wondering how I could go about getting decent Leafs' tickets.
 
Does anyone know if it would be difficult to get tickets to the 
Sat.Jan.23 game vs. Montreal and the Tues.Jan.26 game vs. Minnisota?

Is there a long-distance number I can call a buy them with a credit 
card or anything?
 
Any help would be appreciated!
 
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: 002111m@ace.acadiau.ca (SCOTT BORDEN MACDONALD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Flames/Canucks Game?
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:09:26 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <vzhivov.720978100@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
>From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
>Subject: Flames/Canucks Game?
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:41:40 GMT
>What happened in the Flames game against Vancouver last night? My
>paper came out too early to have a result. Thanks.
>                                                            Vladimir
The Flames and the Cnucks Tied at 5.
From: TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Bobenrieth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Is Kontos for real?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:48:17 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

No, he's not for real. In actuality he is Wayne G. in disguise. You just knew
the hoser would pop up in the pros again somehow.
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Subject: Re: LEGAL BETS,HABS,PENS
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:37:51 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov10.231540.19534@rose.com>, jeff.beaty@rose.com (jeff beaty) writes:
> I live in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada...up here our Provincial Lotto 
> Corporation runs _SPORT SELECT_  It is a legal way to bet on 
> NHL/NFL/CFL games.  Don't know if they will add basketball.   Is there 
> any other stuff like this in other provinces or states?  This is quite 
> new (2 weeks) but everyone I know is laying down at least $2.00 bets 
> daily.  I mainly bet on the hockey games...a couple football games 
> maybe.

SportSelect has been available in Western Canada for about three years now. 
I quit playing it the first year, when it became obvious the odds were a sham.

								Alan
From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:36:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Ther is another sport that has shoot outs, soccer.  Only, in
soccer, the advantage in the penilty shot goes to the 
goal keeper, not the forward.

However, the shot out rules for soccer are almost the same as the 
shot out rules for the IHL, I think this might be
what gave the IHL the idea for the shot out years ago.

I have been watching the Salt Lake Golden Eagles play in 3 different leagues,
the old WHL, the old CHL, and now the IHL.  the rules
have changed over the years, and the IHL has become a better league then when Salt Lake joined
years ago.

I do not like the shoot outs, they make a mockery of 65 minutes of well fought hockey.  If the game ends in a tie, so be it.  Or play sudden death until some
one wins.  The CHL and WHL had 10 minute overtimes.  The
CHL shortened th OT to 5 minutes win the NHL decided to have OT.

I think the IHL should do away with shot outs, because the IHL is now
a training ground for teh NHL, and the NHL does not have shot outs.

roland behunin
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From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber)
Subject: Re: Two assists per goal
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:01:28 GMT


In article <1992Nov3.160902.18677@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, stace@pisa27.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross) writes:
|> An assist is the action of the player who "creates" the scoring
|> opportunity for the goal scorer. In an ideal case, an assist could be a
|> pass to a ready teammate who immediately shoots for a goal. Another
|> example would be a very tricky outlet pass that creates a breakaway for
|> the goal scorer. Credit for an assist is well deserved by the playmaker
|> in either case.
|> 
|> However, if the shooter holds on to the puck for a length of time and
|> fends off or jukes attempts to impede his scoring opportunity, the
|> passer deserves proportionately less credit for the score, because the
|> shooter is creating the opportunity and not the passer. In other words,
|> the passer is becoming more removed from the play.
|> 


I would look at it from a different angle.  Consider the tipped shot that is
credited as a goal for a player who might not deserve it.  If a great shot
(that was on it's way in) is accidently tipped by a teammate, the shooter gets
an assist and the guy plugging away in front of the net gets the goal.

Too many variations exist to change the rule in any manner that would be more
fair and equally (or less) complicated to determine.  I think the current
system is the best (although I don't always agree with the Scorer's
determination).

-Jay



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From: VBHARGAVA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Bhargava, Vipin k)
Subject: RE: CANUCKS TRADE
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:37:25 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

In <565.47.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> al.mellis@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

> 
> I have now watched several Canucks games and have this feeling that
> there is something amiss with this team, Can't pin it down, but it seems
> that they do well against teams they feel good about playing, but lack
> self confidence when playing tight checking teams like in the adams   

> division and top ranked teams, they kinda of act like they know they
> don't belong there or something, which is foolish, because they do, but
> it seems like they don't beleive it.
>                 
That could be part of it.  I too watch the Canucks whenever I can.  What I
seem to notice is that they seem to play one or two good games, and then
they fall asleep for a while.  It was most evident in last years' playoffs.
WHy fall behind 3-1 against the Jets, and then come back to win the series?
They slept at first, then turned it on.  Against Edmonton, although they
seemed tired, they played a good game, followed by a lazy one.

This is tough to figure out, because with the right motivation it shouldn't
occur.  Could it be the coaches fault?
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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: ex-Blues team
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:29:58 GMT


The is a list of ex-blues players scattered around the league. The Blues
should have never traded some of them. Those players form a competitive
team (IMO).

          Doug Evans      - Doug Gilmour  - Dave Christian
          Sergio Momesso  - Cliff Ronning - Geoff Courtnall
          Jocelyn Lemieux - Peter Zezel   - Greg Paslawski

Defense: Scott Stevens - Paul Cavallini
         Brian Benning - Adrien Plavsic
         Rob Ramage - Gord Roberts

Goalies: Vincent Riendeau
         Pat Jablonski

Others: Todd Ewen, Glen Featherstone, Darin Kimble, David Bruce.


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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Re: Two assists per goal
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.160902.18677@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> stace%cdc017.ibmoto.com@aimgate.sps.mot.com writes:
>I'm sure this little debate has been brought up before in this
>newsgroup, but I have a problem with a fundamental aspect of
>statistics-keeping in hockey. This bit about often giving two assists
>per goal is a little on the illogical side. 

This is no more illogical than giving a quarterback credit for a 40
yeard touchdown pass on a screen to the halfback, in which the halfback
ran the ball 38 yards down the field...

>Another option would be to credit the second assister with a fraction of
>an assist. For instance, the first assister would be granted an assist
>while the second assister would receive 1/2 of an assist. This would add

No!!!  It's much too complicated to do such a thing.  It may work fine for
football where the play can be reviewed 4 times before the next one, but not
in hockey.

>I'm certain I'm not the only one who feels this way. Are there any
>concurrent opinions? Any proponents?

I like it the way it is, and see no reason to change it.

-JPC

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:31:05 GMT

In article <MezqOBu00aw54GT2xV@andrew.cmu.edu> Elizabeth Amral Pereira <ep2k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 6-Nov-92 Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
>Eric Rickin@cleveland.Fr (1014)
>
>> The goaltending would be from the Rangers, both
>> Vanbiesbrouck and Richter. 
>
>Sorry, I still have to stand by Andy Mogg and what about Tom Barraso.   
>I know they are from rival teams (although Barraso is form Boston if I'm
>not mistaken), but what a goal tending team they would make.

Moog and Barrasso can't carry Richter's and Vanbiesbrouck's jocks.

Besides, Moog is from Canada.

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: CANUCKS TRADE
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:24:38 GMT

In article <355.47.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> al.mellis@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Al Mellis)  writes:
>
>
>-> From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
>-> were looking for.  The Canucks traded Dave Capuano who had only just
>-> recently returned to the team and was playing in Hamilton, and a 4th
>-> round draft pick to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Center Anatoly
>-> Seminov.  Quinn stated he had been trying to obtain Seminov since
>-> July.  He feels that Seminov has the size and defensive abilities to
>-> help both the Canucks and Pavel Bure, in much the same role that Igor
>-> Larionov played.
>
>Seems more like Pat Quinn is shopping in the bargin basement for
>something that probably doesn't exist at this cheap of a price.  However
>you can look at it a postive manner, the Canucks gave up nothing and
>anything they get in return has to be better as long as it doesn't bring
>in a bad attitude
>                        

    Well said.  Heck.. that trade was for the best for the Canucks.  Look
at Semenov!  He's like flying with Bure and Adams!  Much better than some
sore pain-in-the-neck by the name of "Dave Capuano".  For much the better,
now we've gotten rid of that idiot...  Now we can really kick some ass.


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