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From: cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: cold weather running/riding gloves
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:42:21 GMT
Organization: Academic Computing Center - U.Va.


>1. Are the expedition weight Patagonia capilene gloves the heavy
>weight ones they make, or the medium weight?

      The expedition weight is the heavy weight _liner_ - Patagonia
makes a fleece _glove_ that is heavier.

>2. Should I be so concerned about the gloves being too light? (perhaps
>I am overestimating how much I'll need when running/riding).

      I would think the wind chill factor would be a concern on the
bike.  As for running, I have found that my hands sweat a lot, and
the thicker polypropelene is best because my hands don't get cold
from evaporation.
      Are your cycling gloves really loose enough to wear over liners?

-- 

Chris Roberts                     Academic Computing Center
cpr4k@virginia.edu                University of Virginia           
(804) 982-4693                    Charlottesville, Virginia 22903
From: hobbes@ssd.intel.com (Bernie Keany)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Columbus Marathon
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:36:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.1992Oct15.203601.12248
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel

In article <1992Oct13.135938.16770@pica.army.mil> drears@pica.army.mil (Dennis G Rears <drears>) writes:
>
>   They're lucky they are allowed to compete.  Races are foot races not
>wheelchair races.  After all it is called a 10K run or 5 mile run or
>whatever.  On my NYC Marathon finishing certificate it states "has completed
>the full 26 mile 385 yard footrace".
>			  ^^^^^^^^
>   If you disagree with the previous statement look at it in economic terms.
>There were 20 wheelchair participants compared to how many runners? Are
>sponsors willing to put big bucks for a few wheelchair races?
>
>Dennis

compassionate s.o.b. aren't you .. also a bit confused ...

The second paragraph has nothing to do with the first .. the first is a
bigoted piece of trash. The second is an attempted justification of why
prize dollars are so disparate.

I hope you never have to discover what life is like for someone
who is physically challenged ..

bernie
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Cooper Test
Keywords: Cooper
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:06:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University


  Cooper, the exercise guru from Texas by way of the Air Force assigns
  fitness ratings and programs based on how far people can run in 12
  minutes.

  If you can go about 1.5 miles (you convert it to meters) you're in what
  he calles "excellent" condition.  You can accept that if you want to, but
  he also says that anyone running more than about three miles per day (or
  earning more than, I think, 30 points per week) is doing it for reasons
  other than training.

  All physics and physilolgical arguments aside, the ability to run 10 miles
  in 90 minutes seems to me to indicate a higher fitness achievement than
  being able to run 1.5 miles in 12 minutes.

  Who'se inbetter shape, the 2:08 marathoner or the 4:15er?  It's pretty
  obviouse to me.

  Take Cooper seriously if you're out of shape and want to start a training
  regimin.  But if you're already a runner or swimmer or Nordic skier, look
  again.
From: ber@Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Brian E. Rheingans)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Kite stores
Keywords: kite, store
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:16:40 GMT
Reply-To: ber@Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

I am interest in the location of any kite stores around Orange County or Los Angeles County area.  I would like to get into the hobby and would like to shop around for
some good beginner stunt kites.  The names of some good beginner kites will also be very helpful.

Thanks a lot,
---
Brian Rheingans
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, California
email: ber@scn1.jpl.nasa.gov
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Parafoils
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:23:00 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Oct15.151736.6837@netcom.com> gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley) writes:
>Is it worth the trouble to build these yourself (I'm not much on sewing,
>and adjusting the lines sounds tricky) or should I just save up?  I
>was thinking of something about 4' to 6' on a side, and I haven't seen
>any detailed plans for parafoils in what few kite books I've checked.
>
>Mark.
>gooley@netcom.com

YES! Everyone should build a parafoil. The world would be a better place
if everyone built a parafoil. 

I exaggerate (a bit). It's not that difficult to build a parafoil.
One of the members (Dr John Crawford) of our kite club (Clyde Kites) built as his first kite
the parafoil in Maxwell Eden's book. The books below all have instructions on how to build parafoils. 

It is much better to build a kite than save up and buy one (unless it is something very special,
(see G. Peters, P. Lynn, M. Lester, D. Leigh, P. Fabre, ....)
and you collect kites (as I do) like some people collect oil paintings (see P. Getty)). It 
is immensely satisfying to fly a kite that you have built yourself. The parafoil is not 
tricky to build. It is a largely repetitive task. Rigging the parafoil is not that difficult either (there 
are essentially 2 ways to do this. Flat or crown rigging). 

If you do intend to save up for a parafoil bank on about 4 quid per square foot.
If you intend to build one bank on about 70p a square foot. 

And build it BIG.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jim Rowlands, 
Kites and Windsocks
ISBN 0-7134-6705-3

This is THE parafoil book. There isn't one spar in this book.
If you are into parafoils, flowforms, drogues, windsocks, then buy this book.

                    ------------------------------

Maxwell Eden
Kiteworks
ISBN 0-8069-6713-7

Eden is an old hippie, and there is a bug in the rigging of his
parafoil. However, its easy to build, and the bug is easy to
detect and rectify (and it even flies with this bug, so really no big deal).

                   --------------------------------

Wolfgang Schimmelpfennig
Making and Flying Kites
ISBN 0-600-55895-9

Wolfgang gives typically German instructions on how to build a parafoil!
They are deadly accurate! However, ... , sorry Wolfgang but
I just can't get the rear keels to stop flapping about. Too radical maybe?

                    -------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: jdawson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan A Dawson)
Subject: Kite checks (the money type)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:07:26 GMT

I have seen in the past three or four issues of Kiting (the AKA magazine) that 
there is a company (Clarke American?) that has checks with kites on them.  The 
add only says to "ask your bank" about them, but my bank doesn't have any info 
on them.  So, does anybody know/have the address for them?

Thanks,
Jonathan Dawson
jdawson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
-- 
******************************************************************************

Jonathan Dawson
jdawson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh)
Subject: Chicago Fire Kites Fall Season Sale
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 08 Oct 92 20:30:33 PDT

FWIW..

Chicago Fire is having a Fall Season Sale on selected Worker Bees, 3/4
Bees (all colors), Flames (all colors), and Firefly (3/4 Flame, all
colors). Unfortunately, no Advantage frames or Magnum Opuses (Opii?)
on sale.. Sale pricing is good till 12/31/92 or while quantities
last.. I just got the sale price sheets last week or so.. Check with
your favorite kite dealer or e-mail me for more details.. 

Ob. Disclaimer:

I am a stunt kite dealer and carry some of the above mentioned
product(s). As such, my opinions may tend to be somewhat subjective.

Good Winds and Tight Lines!!

                               Wind Wizard

Purveyor of High Quality, High Performance Stunt Kites and Accessories
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Parafoils
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:57:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Regarding parafoils:

I would recommend against building a parafoil unless you are:

a) good with a sewing machine

b) have a lot of patience

Witness "Stretch" Tucker who is an acknowledged master of parafoils, who says
that ever time he builds one he gets really frustrated and wonders why
he started one again (thats pretty much a quote from his workshop at the
AKA convention, '91 version). Sure it can be done and it does not require
"fancy stiching" but it is awful involved and takes alot of time. Not a good
kite to start with.

Regarding Eden's book, it's a piece of sh*%! Even worse than Kiteflight,
which doesn't even have dimensioned diagrams. Eden can't even get an
Eddy kite correct and many whose plans were included were PO'ed when
he say what he had done. 

PS: I got the hardback version when I saw it in a bookshop and it
looked nice but getting into it, I realised just how bad it was. One
thing you can say about Kitelines, they do have the best handle on 
kite publications and they concur with the expressed view.

   
-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter)
Subject: Re: Northwest Challenge and finding the sweet spot
Organization: Northwest Digital Systems
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:57:20 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) writes:
: Also, it's nice to see from the net traffic, that I'm not the only one
: missing out on Lubbock, Tx.  I'm just happy to see that next year the big
: wing-ding will be in Oregon.  In fact I've already got my hotel room reserved. 

When & Where?  Where are the good places to stay there?  Any and all
information about next years 'big wing-ding' is appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian
-- 
Brian Dockter                    | Northwest Digital Systems
UUCP: uunet!nds!brian            | Voice: 206-524-0014
Internet: brian@nds.com          | FAX: 206-524-0018
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Flexi's with Light Weight Spars - WOW!
Keywords: flexi spar
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:05:39 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <derosa.718857239@mica> motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net writes:

>I just got done flying with my son with a 4 year old
>flexi and some new light weight spars and some new
>spider line.  WOW, what a difference.

Fun, isn't it?  Be careful with the Easton portion of your Ultraflex--I just
broke mine last week and I've no idea how.  It's not particularly fragile--
I've used the Ultraflex in winds over 15mph with no trouble.

>Usually, I need 15 mph to get the kite off the ground and
>have some fun with it.  With the new spars, I can fly 
>in 5-10 mph winds and have a heck of a lot of fun.

Actually, the Ultraflex should give you a wind range down to about 2 or 3.
I've run 360s with my flexis, and I know there's no way I could have done
that in 5-10!

>No more falling out of the sky when the winds die down.
>Now I can stay aloft in the slightest breeze and wait for
>the next gust to come by.

For me, the Ultraflex does a lot more than just change the wind range.  It
turns the Flexifoil into a total finesse kite--extremely sensitive and just
waiting to do whatever you want.  For instance, I would never have dreamed
of tip stands with a flexifoil!  Or the various orientations in which you
can do the somersault move (as opposed to just parked at the top of the
window).  It's no longer a speed/power kite.

In high winds (>10 mph) you can use the Ultraflex to slow the kite.  This is
a good trick for competition.

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie)
Subject: Re: Flexi's with Light Weight Spars - WOW!
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:25:19 GMT
Keywords: flexi spar

In article <16093@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>In article <derosa.718857239@mica> motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net writes:
>>I just got done flying with my son with a 4 year old
>>flexi and some new light weight spars and some new
>>spider line.  WOW, what a difference.
>
>Fun, isn't it?
>
>Actually, the Ultraflex should give you a wind range down to about 2 or 3.
>I've run 360s with my flexis, and I know there's no way I could have done
>that in 5-10!

ARGH! I've just got to get my hands on an Ultraflex spar!

But in the meantime, I've run 360's even on an old, heavy (blue fibreglass),
10' using 80lb 75' line.  (but then, it *had* to work - I was doing it in
the middle of an arena at the time :-) )

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: north@egr.msu.edu (George North)
Subject: Re: Question on Kiteflying Ettiquite (sp?)
Originator: north@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: north@egr.msu.edu 
Organization: Michigan State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:03:55 GMT


If you were far enough away from him for him to buzz your head than 
you gave him more than enough room for a kite fly under crowded 
conditions. but no matter how close you were to him there is never
a reason for anyone to buzz another. If kites cross lines or encounter
each other in flight they can be replaced. But a person being hit or 
cut with a line is a risk that should never be taken no matter how
good the flyer. The guy was far worse than a Jerk.


George.
From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Question on Kiteflying Ettiquite (sp?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:08:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct12.050843.29397
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

I was at an informal kitefly over the past weekend on the Oregon Coast.  I
had a strange experience (upsetting) and was curious if I did anything
wrong...

As with typical kiteflys, there was some amount of crowding on the beach.  I
wandered on to the beach, was setting up my kite near (but I didn't think all
that near) another flyer.  As I was walking to my staked handles, this other
flyer buzzed me with his kite (ie, went out of his way to fly over my head by
about 5 feet).  Hmmm...  I didn't think too much about it until as I was
about to launch, he walked over to me and asked (in a not so nice tone) if I
was going to move.  I suggested there should be plenty of room, he walked
off, I launched, and a few minutes later, he's buzzing me again (going *way*
off wind to bring his kite within a few feet of me).  I decide to move a bit
away from him, and he continues to move close enough to buzz me some more.
After a few minutes, he walks over to me and a shouting match starts in which
(among other not very nice things) I asked if he knew what Kite safety was
all about and had he ever heard of the AKA (etc, etc).  Granted, I did take
some of the space he was using for a number of wide ground passes, but I
figured this is a kitefly, and no problem since I left him plenty of space.

I was really upset (I'm getting upset again as I type this).  I've been
flying for *years* and have *never* had such an encounter.  I'm always very
careful about my flying, careful to avoid people walking by, believe strongly
in kite safety, etc.  I've flown at a number of kiteflys (competition and
informal), and it seems typical that things get a bit crowded but people
accommodate each other (ie, use a smaller air space, shorter lines, etc).
Generally, kiting people are really nice, helpful, accommodating, etc, but
this guy was off the deep end...

My question to the world out there is, did I do something wrong, or was this
guy just a real jerk (much stronger language was used, I'm afraid, in my
encounter with him) ??
From: rbk@sequent.com (Bob Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Question on Kiteflying Ettiquite (sp?)
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:19:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct13.001904.23209
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Sorry about the anonymous post - my nn configuration hosed me.  I posted
the question, and I really am interested in feedback.  Thanks.

					- Bob Beck (rbk@sequent.com)

-- 
Bob Beck			rbk@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems	(503)578-9809
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa)
Subject: Flexi's with Light Weight Spars - WOW!
Summary: light weight spars on a flexi makes all the difference
Keywords: flexi spar
Reply-To: motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:33:59 GMT

I just got done flying with my son with a 4 year old
flexi and some new light weight spars and some new
spider line.  WOW, what a difference.

Usually, I need 15 mph to get the kite off the ground and
have some fun with it.  With the new spars, I can fly 
in 5-10 mph winds and have a heck of a lot of fun.

No more falling out of the sky when the winds die down.
Now I can stay aloft in the slightest breeze and wait for
the next gust to come by.

If anyone wants some details, drop me a line ;-)

-- 
=  Enjoy!          John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, ESMR Development  =
=  thanks          derosa@ssd.comm.mot.com                       =
=  a 10^6          N1111@applelink.apple.com                     =
From: blwagner@IASTATE.EDU (Bruce L Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Question on flying etiquette
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:08:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Oct13.160805
Reply-To: blwagner@IASTATE.EDU (Bruce L Wagner)
Organization: Iowa State University


Seems you gave him plenty of room, considering the number
of people at a flyin.  Unfortunately, there will sometimes
be people of that nature in any sport.  I agree with George
that there is NEVER any reason to buzz someone.  Great bodily
harm could come of it, even a lawsuit!

Glad you weren't hurt.  Could you post more about the flyin?
There are several people here in central Iowa who fly, and a 
flyin would be a way to gather such a group together.

Good flying,

from Windragon
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Weather Satellite Gifs!
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:53:41 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I know there is one thing that comes along with kite flying... weather info:

So for those of you who like to predict the weather by yourself, you can 
download some satellite pictures which are updated every 15 or 47 minutes after
the hour- It is great for those of us stuck inside most of the day!!
(Sorry to our friends overseas, I don't know how to retrieve pictures of your
country-but I know you can...)

To get North America Satellite pictures and weather maps:

Anonymous ftp to:
 vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
The images are under the wx dir (just type:  cd wx)

Now the following info may be helpful:
For files like this:
	CV100918.gif  --> CVmmddhh.gif (month,day,hour)
        CI100918.gif 
        SA100918.gif

where: CV means Combined (eastern & western) Visible (updated 47 minutes after
  							the hour)
       CI means Combined Infrared  (updated 15 after the hour)
       SA means Surface Analysis and Radar Summary
These gif files are at 600x300 pixels resolution

To save time, you can download the most recent visual & infrared (1200x600
pixels) under the names CVIS.GIF and CIR.GIF. ONly the most recent images are
available, so just 'get' the one that is listed.

Note that the VISUAL images are availble only during daylight hours, INFRARED
is updated around the clock.

----
   Look for my Magnum Opus in the pictures!
See you in the sky,
paul
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Parafoils
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:01:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <71504@hydra.gatech.EDU> sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:

>he say what he had done. 

That should have read ...they saw... not "...he say..."

Sorry 'bout that. (Some of do reread are articles)



-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Magnum Opus-FANTASTIC!
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:13:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1992Oct12.001305.43773
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Well, I picked up my Magnum Opus today- and boy ooh boy is that thing a
monster!!!  It is one of the best beasts that I have flown yet-I LOVE IT!

The precision, and the maneuverability of this 10' span kite blew me away- 
I recommend some of you try this thing-it is fantastic!!!

Paul

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From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: 1993 AKA Convention (was: Northwest Challenge and ...)
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:37:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13714
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

The 1993 AKA Convention will be in Seaside, Oregon, and it will be held in the
beginning of October.  There are two Shilo Motels in town, and a Best Western. 
One of the Shilo motels directly overlooks the competition field.  If people
would really like it, I will try to put together a list of motels.  I will not
though guarantee quality of any of them; I would just take the names and
numbers out of the phone book.  Most of the motels have 800 numbers, but I'm
not sure if that's an in-state 800 number. 
  
				Later,

				Dave Butler

    Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: What more could you ask of life? 
    Aviation combined all the elements I loved...  I began to feel that I 
    lived on a higher plane than the skeptics of the ground; one that was 
    richer because of its very association with the elements of danger they 
    dreaded, because it was freer of the earth to which they were bound.  In 
    flying I tasted the wine of the gods of which they could know nothing... 
				Charles A. Lindbergh Jr.
From: north@egr.msu.edu (George North)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: S.K.Q.
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:46:04 GMT
Reply-To: north@egr.msu.edu (George North)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: north@frith.egr.msu.edu

Has anyone heard anything about when the New S.K.Q. Is due out?
I am curious but I do not want to call them and seem like a pest.
But I thought that maybe someone out there has talked to Sue Batdorf 
or Bob Hansen and could give me some kind of idea. Thank you.

George.
From: pbrickwood@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: HELP WITH KITE DESIGN
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:17:57 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston


Hello out there,

I am interested in making a stunt kite for my son
(and me of course). We have made several traditional
diamond shaped kites from dowelling, string, plastic 
bags and sticky tape. These are okay but an aerobatic
kite would be more fun. I have a rudimentary knowledge
of aerodynamics and have been a control line and R/C 
aircraft flyer for years. Half the fun for me is the 
building (and watching my son learn).
Can anyone help with a basic drawing, reference 
books etc.,

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Peter Brickwood 
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