From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Anti-religious fanatics (Was Re: School Choice )
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.124245.14530@dg-rtp.dg.com> gross@eric10.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes:
>>The deaths by neglect are atleast 10's of millions (maybe someone could
>>explain the role of the church in the medival plagues). This may climb
>>to 100 million in the next 10 years since Christianity has fought all
>>attempts to cure or control HIV transmission.
>
>What proof have you to offer that "Christianity has fought all attempts
>to cure or control HIV transmission"?  As nearly as I can tell from
>research that I've done for the past two years, the CDC and the Gay and
>AIDS Lobbies have done more harm than any other group or organization
>put together.

People like to say this, however they ignore the fact that Gay groups
with no government assistance (Helms Admendment) have managed to slow
the spread of AIDS among homosexuals, while it continues to rise in
virtually all other segments of the population.

>Clearly the only answer to HIV transmission is to use standard medical
>practices that have been used with all communicable diseases, and have
>been proven effective in controlling the spread of communicable
>diseases.  HIV is the only communicable disease which has civil rights
>status and political status.  Why!?  Syphilis doesn't; gonorreha
>doesn't; TB doesn't; hepatitis doesn't; etc., for roughly several
>hundred.  

For example? What "special rights" do AIDS patients have that these
others don't? 

>No one in the ACLU, the Gay Lobby, the AIDS Lobby, ACT-UP, the
>Congress, nor any other group raises one objection to routine testing
>and contact tracing for any of those diseases -- so why object when it
>comes to a disease that is 100 percent lethal to date?

Atleast as far as contact tracing goes it is next to useless in stopping
a disease with such an enourmous lag time between infection and detection.
I don't see any routine testing for gonarreha, syphilis or TB, if someone
thinks they may have them they get tested. Same thing for HIV.

>To say that there is the potential for discrimination doesn't wash --
>the same holds true for the other diseases.  To date, having worked in
>the medical community, I have never heard of one person testing positive
>for one of the other communicable diseases having the privacy violated
>-- with the exception of those in food service where the potential for
>spreading of certain diseases is great, i.e., hepatitis.

The other ones don't carry the same stigma attached to AIDS. When have
parents kept there kids home from school because they found out someone
had syphillis? 

>Yet the CDC, the Gay and AIDS Lobbies, ACT-UP, and the ACLU have all
>protested and filed suit against states that have proposed using routine
>testing and contact tracing to control the spread of HIV.  

What makes you think these would be effective?

>Further, the
>CDC has promulgated information concerning the use of condoms and
>virucides (Nonoxynol-9 for example) that ignore the results of testing.
>During the 3rd International Conference on AIDS, Dr. Fischel presented
>clear evidence that condoms did not provide the protection against
>transmission of HIV that everyone thought.  This is due to the fact that
>all latex has microscopic holes of roughly 5 microns in size.  The HIV
>retrovirus is .1 micron in size.  It is like playing Russian Roulette
>with all but one chamber loaded.

And the CDC also fudged the statistics to make it look like condoms
work?
Of course alternatives to penetrative sex are more effective, such as
oral sex with condoms and mutual masturbation. Guess what happened when
they tried to teach that fact in sex ed....

>Charges that it is the Christians who have been preventing HIV from
>being cured or spread is utterly without foundation.  But I await your
>evidence to the contrary.

Wait until you see the next TV PSA about AIDS. It will tell you to call
a 1-800 number because they are afraid to even mention sex on the air!
Do you really think people who believe they are not at risk are going
to call to get the facts?
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