HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vincent@cc.und.ac.za (Russell Vincent)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Maps for any game (Addition to map command)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:24:39 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban)
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Hi all,

I have made an addition to the MAP command on the Durban Judge.

You can now send a LIST output of any game (on any judge) and it will 
produce a map of that game for you. The syntax of the message you need to 
send is as follows:

  map * [n]
  <Your_list_output>
  <and more of it>
  <The whole thing really>

i.e: The "map *" command added in to the top of a LIST output.
The "*" means actually put in the "*" as the game name.
The "[n]" is the same as the normal MAP command, in that it is an optional 
paramater to have the map sent in plain .ps format instead of uuencoded 
compressed.

Note: The syntax for this MAP option is not yet in the help files - I will 
get to that - this was bad enough!  :-)

The command is in a test stage at the moment, so please try it an let me 
know of any problems. Naturally it will be released for any other judges 
that want it.

Enjoy!
 -Russell

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Russell Vincent,  Computer Services, Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
Vincent@cc.und.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Subject: EFF Judge down?
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:57:25 GMT

Is the EFF judge down?  I haven't received a response from it for about
an hour ...

Just wondering,

Nathan

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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: ONE MORE PLAYER NEEDED
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:50:47 GMT


The game "empire" on the EFF Judge needs just one more player to get
started!  Do a 'list empire' before signing on.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: New Hall of Fame Scoring for Chaos Games
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:17:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.005615.15793@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>In article <C1Exup.LAJ@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:
>>I am proposing, deeming that for the purpose of Hall of Fame points,
>>Chaos games are now deemed to have 21 players. this would effect the points
>
>What if more than 20 players draw. This is not as silly as it sounds; it is
>possible that one player holds 17 SCs, and a rag-tag coalition of many players
>are holding him off at a stalemate line. It stands to reason that no one in
>the coalition would break rank and face instant loss. Hence, a massive draw.
Then they all get 0!

>Perhaps a better way of doing it is to declare that all players elliminated
>in the first year are considered (for the purpose of scoring) to never have
>played. In a normal chaos game, about 21 players survive the first year and
>the effect would be similar.

Yes, there might be something to that, I will look into it . . .

Nick

Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: limmej@jec319.its.rpi.edu (Joel D. Limmer)
Subject: Re: Solution for Dropouts?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:16:43 GMT

bitn@ellis.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner) writes:

>I know that is most likely not going to help TOO much, but I have a
>suggestion to possibly curtail dropouts.  In the non-gunboat games,
>if someone drops out without an explanation as to why and without
>finding a replacement player, then their e-mail address should be
>posted to rec.games.diplomacy (in a list format).  This would not be
>intended as some kind of harassment, but rather it would alert Masters
>to players who have dropped out of other games and perhaps those Masters
>would request that no players on that list sign up for their new games.
>Since mistakes occur sometimes (e-mail problems, etc.), perhaps no
>names should be posted unless it happens twice.  But then again, how
>could that be kept track of ... 

>I'm not sure if anything like this would work or not, but I think it
>would at least deter the people who drop out because their in a
>"bad position", which I'm sure is the majority of dropouts.  This is the
>worst problem in computer diplomacy -- we really have to think of
>SOMETHING that will change the escalating trend of dropouts.

>*-Nathan-*
[.sig deleted]

I agree with this.  I don't know how many diplomacy players that use
the judge read this newsgroup (probably quite a few), but merely seeing
their name listed as one of the dropouts might be deterrent enough.  Or
at least they might not join as many games.  I propose a monthly
posting of all players who drop out or resign without reason or a sub.
Game masters would contribute to this list as people drop out.
-- 
   | 	Joel Limmer			   | "Let the one who is without sin
 --+--	Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute   |  cast the first stone."
   |	limmej@rpi.edu			   | WHACK!!
   |					   | "Mom, cut it out!"
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Via:        UK.AC.LEEDS.GPS; 26 JAN 93 15:11:20 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:10:05 GMT
Reply-To:     amt5man@SUN.LEEDS.AC.UK
From:         amt5man@SUN.LEEDS.AC.UK
Subject:      Shift Games

                   SHIFT LEFT (John Smith, 1992)

(1) MARK NELSON (26/1/93)  An amusing variant using the regular map except
that at the beginning of the game each country's units are shifted one
power to the left and you start with the same allocation of units as that of
the player you are replacing.  e.g Austria starts with F(Lon), F(Edi) and
A(Lpl), England starts with A(Ven), A(Rom) and F(Nap), Italy starts with
A(War), A(Mos), F(StP,nc), F(Sev). At the start of the game you own the
centers you own in regular diplomacy.  Hence you can't build until you
recapture at least one of your `proper' supply centres.  See also
SHIFT RIGHT.


                 SHIFT RIGHT (John Smith, 1992)

(1) MARK NELSON (26/1/93) See SHIFT LEFT for a basic description of the game.
The starting positions for Shift-Right Diplomacy are as follows, where
A -> B means "A's units start in country B":

   Germany -> Turkey       Turkey -> Germany       Italy -> England
   England -> Austria      Austria -> France       France -> Russia
   Russia -> Italy

(Shift-Left Diplomacy shifts everyone in the opposite direction (Germany and
Turkey still just trade); just reverse the arrows to see who starts where
(or interpret A -> B as "B's units start in country A").)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: britain variant
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:21:06 GMT

In article <1k6ju5INNh0q@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie) writes:
>>Remember: Self-dislodgement is prohibited, so England couldn't forcibly
>>disband one of his armies.  The only way for England to get anywhere is
>>to persuade another power to convoy an army to the continent.
>
>I am not familiar with the Britain variant.
>
>But as described, there is obviously another way for England to
>get a fleet. She can capture some OTHER supply center.
>
>(Or are all six of England's original armies isolated? In that case,
>she can arrange for another power to dislodge one of her armies,
>and disband it instead of retreating. I guess I should get the
>info file on the variant, huh?)
>
>Jamie

Greetings from the Diplomacy* Adjudicator!!                 November 26, 1991.
Info.britain

In the Great Britain variant each English province is a supply center
and England starts with six armies.  Thus, England is the "strongest"
country, but can't do anything until another player agrees to convoy
one of his armies (or he is forced to debuild one of his units and
then builds a fleet after retaking the supply center).

The victory conditions are 19 centers.

-----

* Diplomacy is a trademark of the Avalon Hill Game Company, Baltimore,
  Maryland, all rights reserved.  Used with permission.



Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: 'The Flying Lure'
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:57:38 GMT

In article <C15q7L.13J5@austin.ibm.com>, root@queball.Berkeley.EDU () writes:
|> 
|>  I got a box of the Flying Lures for Christmas.  They do travel away
|> from the line and show fairly good
|> action.  No, they won't catch a fish on every cast.  I've used them to
|> fish steep bluffs where I have
|> a tendency to pull a jig too far out with success.  I've only fished for
|> bass, haven't tried them on
|> white bass or striper.

John, 

(IMHO these may be just an expensive fad,  I guess you can 
easily prove me wrong).  I was wondering how well the lure 
"flies" when it is dragging 50ft of 12# test behind it.  
On t.v. you see a pretty steep glide-path with almost no 
line (thus line drag) in the water.


			-Pat.
		    
From: benji@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Benjamin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:18:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Novice Rod Builder Needs More Help
Organization: Fat Wanda's Brewery & Recording
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

> How does one start a thread wrap? I know how to finish one, it's
> getting one started that is driving me nuts.

You start it similar to the way you finish it, by wrapping the thread
under itself.  Hold the loose thread end against the rod with a finger
as you start wrapping, bringing the wraps over the tag end.  It will
take several wraps before the thread is secured and you can let go.
It may also take several times before you get it to take at all,
since graphite rods are often slick.

> Also, if I want to
> wrap narrow trim bands of different colored threads, each butting
> against the other, what's the procedure. Tie the threads together
> and keep wrapping? Don't finish the first colored wrap but over
> wrap it with the next color?

Neither.  Do the trim wraps separately, making them 1/4" or so
away from the main wraps.  Finish off the trim wrap, then just push
the trim wraps flush with the main wraps.  Note that this technique
will only work for fairly narrow trim (about 1/4" or less).

--
Jeff Benjamin                               benji@hpfcla.fc.hp.com
Hewlett Packard Co.                         Fort Collins, Colorado	
"Midnight shakes the memory as a madman shakes a dead geranium."
					    - T.S. Eliot
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling)
Subject: Re: (fish,depth)finders and Canoes?
Originator: peder@tamarack
Reply-To: peder@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:17:10 CST


In article <1993Jan25.154104.420@cci632.cci.com>, rdi@cci632.cci.com (Rick Inzero) writes:
> I first used a flasher (1960s circuit design), but upgraded 
> to a MUCH more sensitive modern-design LCD last year.

Speaking of flashers, could anyone make a recommendation for the Vexilar FL-8 ?
Any experiences, good or bad ?

--
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: 'The Flying Lure'
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:32:12 GMT

In article <1jhecjINN39u@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
|> 
|> Has anyone heard of this of used one? I saw it in a half hour commercial.
|> It showed these bass in a casting tank at a fishing show gobbling it
|> up.
|> 
But did you notice the number of people in the audience in front of
the tank?? Very few!!!!

-- 
Richard Park	
Posted-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:20:16 -0600
Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:21:09 CST
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:20:16 -0600
From: Matt Rein #3 <mrein3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Ice Fishing: annual informational post
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: (fish,depth)finders and Canoes? (Was: Re: Eagle 3-D)
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:22 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1993Jan24.214353.22027@uvm.edu> jmc@moose.uvm.edu (John M. Connors) writes:
>From article <1993Jan21.000925.4124@rose.com>, by marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom):
>> 
>> Date Entered: 01-20-93 19:07
>> M(:From: mjk11@po.CWRU.Edu (Mary J. Knowles)
>> 
>> M(:I am looking for a fish finder to use on NE Ohio inland lakes, mostly
>> M(:fairly shallow, for my canoe.  A previous post emphasized the importance
>> 
>
>I am in sort of the same boat. (pun intended) 
>
>Are there other economy-minded anglers out there who fish from canoes
>using depth finders?  Any advice?  Any stories?
>
>jmc


	For about the last 5 years, I've used a Humminbird ID 4 portable when I
	fish for spring chinook and trolling for trout in the summer.  I've
	found that it is very effective at mapping the bottom and structure
	and somewhat effective at finding fish.  I find that in deeper lakes
	where fish are suspended I can locate fish and generally have a higher
	success rate if I can get to the approximate depth where I have spotted
	fish on the finder.  With salmon you may be seeing fish on the finder,
	(they are the long returns, about 6 to 10 pixels) but they may not be
	biters.  It is frustrating because even with trout, not all fish will
	bite your lure, but youknow they are there.  This leads to a lot of
	lure changing with me, but I can be accused of that anyway.  Unless 
	the action is really hot, I am always looking for just the right lure.

	There were a few spring chinook caught in the Willamette before the
	river blew out.  People are busy dodging trees now with the recent warm
	weather.

	Terry

	s
--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles. 
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: ca787@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John M. Russo)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Lake Hope - Zaleski, Ohio
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:42:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


We'd like to take a fishing trip to Lake Hope this spring.  We
were there only one time and had a lot of fun with the crappies,
but this time we would like to get into some C&R bass.  Would
anyone have any information or recommendations as to bass
fishing on this lake or any suggestions for a good area
restaurant for a break from the usual campsite franks and beans?
 
We'd greatly appreciate any help anyone can offer, and would
gladly return the favor if you're ever down our way.
 
Please try to e-mail us on the Internet since it it so difficult
to access CFN via TSO.  Thanks, and good fishin' to you all.
 
----------------------- jr in cincinnati -------------------
                        (jr@cbos.uc.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan)
Subject: Re: Has anyone used the Belly Boats?    
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:20:07 GMT



I have had my belly boat (float tube) for about a year now.  I LOVE it.
You really can get right out there where the fish are.  Even when I don't
catch any fish, I have a great time trying.  I bought a Bucks  at a sporting
goods store (Gart Bros.).  I believe you get what you pay for to an extent,
but it isn't really necessary to buy the most expensive one, just make sure
you get one big enough to hold you up fairly high in the water.  They may
or may not help you catch more fish, but they sure are fun if you happen to
be a water lover.

Val

From: rprice@aspen.NSA.HP.COM (Bob Price)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:49:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Organization: HP Networked Systems Architecture - Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing


For bluegill my favorite fly is a small (size 12) rubber ant with rubber legs.  They can be fished on the surface or weighted with a split shot.  These come 
in several colors, but my preference is black or green.  Other good 
patterns are small poppers, small nymphs like a hare's ear, or soft hackle
wet flies.  Generally most any small (size 10 to 14) nymph or wet fly will 
work.

In my opinion, with bluegill getting the fly in front of the fish with a 
good presentation is more important than the specific pattern.  Use a 
light weight fly rod (5wt or less) with a floating line and a 9 foot 4x 
tippet.  You can also use a sink tip if the fish are deep, but generally 
in the spring when the water warms a floating line works fine.


Good Luck

Bob Price
rprice@nsa.hp.com


 
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jimd@watson.ibm.com (Jim Doherty)
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:49:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

   Yes but it is nice to find at least one type of fish that will
bite at something I've tied :-) 

Jim Doherty

In article <2B672F34.14022@news.service.uci.edu>, eamg052@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matthew Wesley Spitzer) writes:
|> Absolutely any fly pattern you can imagine will perform exceptionally well
|> for catching bluegill. They aren't exactly rocket scientists.
|> 
|> Matt Spitzer
From: kevang@ocf.berkeley.edu (kevan G)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Cal Com Salmon Ques's
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:50:50 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu
Keywords: What is the current...

Hi there all,

Could someone give me the current rundown on all
the important regs for commercial (specifically salmon
and specifically as a one man show, no 100 footers)
fishing in CA?  I know this has already been discussed
but could someone summarize?  Specifically:

	Rules on transferring licenses (if you even can)
	to a newer boat

	Season

	Rules about what else you can and cant do with your
	boat.

	Who can be on your boat, what they can and cant do.

	How bad is it (price/money-wise)

	Any one willing to teach me the trade in trade
	for a strong back (and only moderately weak mind)

	Any thing else you can think of (including trading
	your Boston Whaler with permit for my old sail boat
	with a porto-potty)

O.K. maybe I am reaching a bit on that last one.  Any way,
any thing you can tell me will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Kevan
Subject:  Pocket Guide to Beer - Out of Print
From:  fred@slayer.bellcore.com (Fred Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: Bellcore - Information Technology, Morristown, NJ
Reply-To:  fred@slayer.bellcore.com (Fred Anderson)
X-Gateway: ALEX.ims.bellcore.com
Date:  Wed, 20 Jan 93 16:55:20 EST
To:  news-post%ctt@thumper.bellcore.com
Message-ID: <1993Jan21.164511.2562@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

Michael Jackson's "Pocket Guide to Beer" book is mentioned often
in this newsgroup. I tried to obtain a copy at the bookstore but
they tell me it is out of print. Does anyone know where I can 
obtain a copy of the book?

Thanks,

Fred Anderson
Bellcore
fred@charles.bellcore.com
From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Limit
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:17:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com


From the San Jose, Ca Mercury News 1-21-92:

News of the Wierd

Jaekun An of Anchorage, Alaska, was arraigned for
violating a freshwater fishing limit.

A trooper who found him with 169 fish quoted An:
"It was just so good that I couldn't stop myself."

Greg
From: datkins@carina.unm.edu (Drexel Atkinson CIRT)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fly Rod Building Questions
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

The info I've seen so far on this topic is great.  I've never built one,
but would like to try it out.  Any suggestions for someone just staring out
rod building.  Is there a good book on building fly rods anywhere? 
thanks,
	drex
 
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: longlegs.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Joel Dunn)
Subject: re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:00:40 GMT

I'm partial to a size 12 or 14 black ant.  Just put on some black dubbing
on the rear of the shaft (up to the middle), put on a black hackle, dub
forward just a bit, and they'll eat it up.

-Joel Dunn
 joel_dunn@unc.edu

In article <1jmkpcINNkqc@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Can anyone here recommend any good flies for bluegill?
>
>BTW, Why is there two fishing newsgroups? Inquiring minds
>like mine want to know....
From: bdowning@Control.COM (Bill Downing)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:35:21 GMT
Organization: Control Technology Corp., Hopkinton MA

greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:


>Can anyone here recommend any good flies for bluegill?

>BTW, Why is there two fishing newsgroups? Inquiring minds
>like mine want to know....

>Greg

Any old small nymph pattern seems to work well, the gillies don't
really have a preference in my experience...


-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@schunix.uucp
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jlautr01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Two fishing news groups:
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

         It would appear that the network is now supporting two news groups
         about fishing.  In the last week or so alt.fishing has received as
         much traffic or more than than rec.outdoors.fishing.  Is there
         anything WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS?

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      Fishy, fishy, in the brook, come and bite my little hook.
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      Joseph L. Autry Jr. a.k.a. Izaak Walton
      Systems Programmer
      University Of Louisville

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling)
Subject: Re: Electric Trolling Motors
Originator: peder@tamarack
Reply-To: peder@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:10:56 CST


In article <1993Jan25.175339.23731@draco.macsch.com>, jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro) writes:
> Thus far, I have only been to Sears and saw a 1 H.P. motor for $129.00 and
> a 1.5 H.P motor for $219.00. Are these prices reasonable? I have heard the
> horror stories about the gas powered Sears motors. Are the electric motors
> just as bad?

I got that little 1 H.P. (18 lbs thrust, I think) for Christmas, it's a
Die-Hard, made by Minn-Kota for Sears.  I don't know if it's junky like a lot
of Sears products, but I'll find out this summer.

--
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