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From: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Subject: Babysitting Woes...need Nanny information.
Reply-To: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:04:31 GMT


Hi Everyone,

Here we go again!  Our home daycare provider told us last night that she is
quitting.  Awful timing...I am 6 1/2 months pregnant with our second so I 
don't want to make my 19 month old go through 2 weeks of hell getting used to
a new sitter and then take him out because of maternity leave.  Anyway, thanks
for listening to my gripe.

On to the question.  A few months ago, there was a big discussion about 
Nannies and sharing a Nanny.  I know someone was considering sharing a Nanny
with a friend to make it more economical.  Did anyone by chance save this
discussion?  We are not sure what we want to do because of the timing
issue with maternity leave (we can not afford to pay someone fulltime while
I am on leave), but we are considering sharing a Nanny with one other person
(who has one child).  We may just try to find another good family daycare
situation, but I am too ticked off right now to talk to anyone (and be
able to give them a fair shake).  

Thanks for any help or insight you may be able to provide...any creative ideas
on how we can keep the Nanny while I am on leave (the other person with one
child would still be using her, but Robin can not afford to pay full price
while I am not using the Nanny)??

Thanks much!!

Kirsten Werne
Mom to Alexander, 19 months and ??? due 4/9/93 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:00:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
>radio) into the labour room with them to help them
>cope/relax, whatever?
>
>I am due February 20th and would like to bring in
>a tape recorder with a bunch of different stuff
>that I enjoy listening to, (this may sound weird,
>but I want to tape a bunch of Led Zep songs -the
>mellower ones! - I find Robert Plant`s voice very
>soothing for some reason).
>
>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?
>
>Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>-Stephanie
>
I brought a portable CD player and about 30 CD's with me, and it was the best 
thing I did for myself.  I brought a variety of music, from Talking Heads
and B-52's to the English Beat and Bob Marley, to Vivaldi and Mozart, to
Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel.  Since my mood changed often :-), I needed
a variety of music to get by with.  My doctor especially liked the
B-52's and sang along.  My favorite photo of me right before the babies
arrived is me holding the English Beat CD cover and singing along!

Go for it!

Marjorie
mum to Gemma and Graham, 4.5 months and getting huge!
>
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: circ on older baby
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:55:53 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <199301051401.AA08246@tuna.wang.com> AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach") writes:
>My OB, who did the
>circ, refused, said it doesn't hurt babies, they only cry from cold or being
>undressed, etc.  HAH!!!  

So, your religion told you to mutilate your infant, and your doctor told you
it wouldn't hurt. And you believed them. I don't wish to be offensive, but
did it not occur to you to use your *own* mind at any stage in the 
proceedings?






-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

This message cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Bloody good value if you ask me.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:41:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
>radio) into the labour room with them to help them
>cope/relax, whatever?
>
>I am due February 20th and would like to bring in
>a tape recorder with a bunch of different stuff
>that I enjoy listening to, (this may sound weird,
>but I want to tape a bunch of Led Zep songs -the
>mellower ones! - I find Robert Plant`s voice very
>soothing for some reason).
>
>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?
>
>Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.
>

	We brought tapes and playing cards and a picture of
	something special for me to focus on (just like they
	suggestion in the pre-birth classes).  

	We didn't play cards.....I put away the picture (which
	was of my wonderful Grandmother and me hugging) because
	I didn't want her to see me so uncomfortable and miserable
	(who says I had to be rational?) and as for the music...
	we didn't play it.  Here's why (please refer to my previous
	rational comment)....I brought all of my favorite music...
	didn't play it because whenever I listened to it after I
	figured I'd remember how miserable I was feeling then...yeah,
	normally I'm quite sane....but all bets were off during
	labor.  In fact, I wanted to hold onto my husband's arm...
	but couldn't stand it when he would touch me.  My skin
	seemed hypersensitive.....yeah, it was great for him too...
	especially getting him to be getting me soft drinks...or ice
	water all the time because I was soooooo thirsty and then
	we he brought it only drinking a sip or two and putting it
	away.  He, by-the-way, was wonderful....irreplacible.

	I doubt if the above will help you decide....some women
	seem to be able to play championship chess tournaments
	while in labor.....I couldn't even read the back of a 
	cereal box.  Your mileage may vary.

					|
					|  I can resist everything...
Barbara					|  except temptation.
					| 


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: toddler memory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:27:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Keywords: I forget

Our kids have also shown amazing abilities to recall things.  For example,
Daniel once asked me to get a duck Fuzzy Friend down from the top of a
closet.  The last time it had been there was two years earlier, when
we were living in a different house and Daniel was 9 months old!
From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cotton diapers that don't stink?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:29:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan8.170346.16456@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>
>More seriously, I would be skeptical of such a chemical against the
>baby's skin, no matter what the salesman said about its safety. 

I agree. The reason I like to wash diapers at home is to have some small
control over chemicals. I worry about the chemicals in disposables, and
also in professionally laundered diapers.
>
>We used a diaper service for a while and rinsed out the diapers.  Then to
>save money we just started laundering our own, resulting in an increase
>in stinkiness in our lives. With one child out of them and two still 

I really dont find it a problem, except when the diaper pail is open. That 
isnt very often, only when we are dropping a diaper into the pail, or 
loading it into the machine. Even then it really isnt that bad. Or maybe I
have come accustomed to the smell ;-).

The key is a good diaper pail. I tried those rectangular ones, with the
step on lever. They just didnt have a good seal. I now use a round pail with
a very good seal. When it is closed, there is *no* smell. I think the maker
is The First Year. 

Anyway if anyone thinks they are going to avoid smelling poopys by using
disposables, or specially treated diapers, well they are in for an 
unpleasant surprise. If you use disposables, you are going to have to put it
in a well sealed diaper pail, specially treated plastic bag, or straight 
out to the garbage.

>soiled ones in. That way they don't have to rinse anything out. Just pop
>the whole mess into the bag and seal (and of course, you get to rinse
>them out when you get home).

When we are out, I use these specially designed plastic bags to keep the
dirty dipes. They are supposed to mask/neutralize the smell, and they 
really do work. 

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Baby furniture questions
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:00:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.170839.4506@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <C0Eqtn.Huo@inews.Intel.COM> vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
>>I just purchased a Childcraft changing table last weekend.  When looking at
>>them my husband and I noticed that the platform is not of solid wood or
>>anything (I'm not sure what to call it, but I'm sure those of you who have
>>them know what I mean).  I looked at the attached documentation but couldn't
>>find any mention of weight limits.  How long do you use the changing table?
>>Until the baby is out of diapers which could be 2-3?  This table doesn't 
>>look like it could bear up with the weight of a toddler.  Are they safe
>>for 20-30 pound babies?  Do you find the safety strap helpful or just hold 
>>onto the baby with one hand at all times?  My husband thought the strap
>>looked rather uncomfortable.
>
>That sounds alot like what we have. Jeffrey will be 3 in March, weighs about 33 lbs, and is still using it.

You also might run into the problem we had.  After about 11 months of
age, Rachel started really hating diaper changes.  In fact now, I
sometimes wonder what the neighbors think: all that crying over a
diaper change.  You'd think she would toliet train to stop the
fuss...but anyway, when she was 2 we took a trip to visit my mom.
Well, while we were there (about 2 weeks) we had no problems with
diaper changes!  When we got back, she started fussing again.  We
(finally) figured out that she just didn't like the changing table, so
we got rid of it.  Now, we give her an option of where she wants to be
changed.  She really prefers to be changed standing up, but we haven't
mastered that one.

So, your child may rebel against the changing table before they are out of
diapers.

Kathie
-- 
riggle@mv.us.adobe.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:25:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.155523.18662@ultb.isc.rit.edu> uxgisd@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

[stuff about due date and desire to combine breast and bottle deleted]

> Its just that I want to breast feed.  I 
>dont want to do it for an extended amount of time.  I've always been 
>told that breast feeding for a short amount of time is better than not
>breast feeding at all.  Does anyone think this will work?  I've read 
>the other posts and there seems to be quite a few frequent problems. 
>Is this hopeless? Does anyone have any better ideas?  I know that each 
>child is different, and I hope that I have a child that can be breast
>fed and bottle fed!  
>
>Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ursula

You have got lots of suggestions from other posts, so I won't go into great
detail, but I will add my positive experiences.  I waited until the "2 week"
period to establish the milk supply was over, and then began pumping.  Very
frustrating at first, but after many attempts I had a few ounces saved up.
After all I had read I was nervous about trying a bottle.  I had sitter who
had been with Daniel a few times already try the bottle when I was home but
in another part of the house.  He absolutely refused.  He was fairly hysterical
from hunger and frustration.  I took him in my lap, turned him toward me, and
when he was calm (almost instantly at turning toward my breast), offered him
the bottle.  No problem!  I praised him lavishly.  Since then he has had a
bottle of expressed milk about 4-5 times a week from the sitter or my husband,
and has taken about 4 different types of nipples without complaint.  In the 
first days the sitter was always careful to praise him and encourage him for
taking the bottle.  

All the books tell you to have someone other than the mother give the first
bottle, but in our case this did not work.  Daniel just had no clue that
anyone else could be a source of food, so until we helped him learn that he
was too confused and upset to even try.  Babies are smarter than we think.
They are also all really different, so be ready to have patience with your
babies own way.

Marilyn Walker
From: traite@fellini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:53:26 GMT
Organization: Statistical & Data Analysis Center, Harvard University

In article <1icrq6INNeq9@shelley.u.washington.edu> lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap ) writes:
>In article <JGJ.93Jan5095143@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>
__ good stuff deleted from Jeff Jackson__

>|> I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
>|> grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
>|> amendments from memory.
>
>Education does not mean regurgitation.  Students should learn what the
>Bill of Rights, Constitution & amendments mean and how they affect their
>lives, not just what the words are.
>
>-Laurel

I really wonder if they WANT you to THINK.  After
all a public that thinks for itself might want to make changes. :)
 
One thing that really bothers me is that kids are taught to recite the
Pledge of Allegiance without any attention as to what the words mean.
You could design a whole curriculum at both the primary and secondary
levels on the various meanings behind the words and the seriousness of
pledging allegiance to ANYTHING or ANYONE. That gets close to teaching
values and independent thought and we can't have that in
our schools, can we?  

(Boy Shirley, you've really done it this time.  Almost as bad a
criticizing God and Apple Pie !! :) )
__
Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
Statistical Programmer                   |
SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |

<> IT IS A VIRTUE TO HAVE AN OPEN AND INQUISITIVE MIND. <>



  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel)
Subject: Request for contributions, Baby Carrier/Backpack FAQ file
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:59:50 GMT

I'm putting together a FAQ file for Baby Carriers and Backpacks, based
on the responses I received from my earlier posting on the subject,
and any new material that people would like to submit.

If you have any information on this subject that you'd like to share
(recommendations, warnings, general guidelines for choosing a carrier,
etc), please e-mail to me, and I will add them to the existing file.
If you don't want me to include your name and e-mail address, let me
know and I'll delete them; otherwise they will be included.

Andy

-- 
Andrew Siegel			D. E. Shaw & Co., New York, NY
siegela@deshaw.com		(212)478-0000
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:22:14 GMT

In article <2439@shaman.wv.tek.com> alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>>
>>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?
>
>By all means take in some tapes.  The worst thing that could happen is you
>end up yelling to your partner to SHUT THE DAMN THING OFF!

Do not, under any circumstances, play "You're Having My Baby" by Paul
Anka, or the father will need a proctologist to remove the tape player.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com>
Subject: Re:  Turning a breech baby
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A771F2EDF90100E9@cdr-va-macs2-dynamic.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:47:09 GMT
Organization: Private
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:46:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.215500.7725@nynexst.com> Clare Chu,
clare@nynexst.com writes:
>  Hopefully the baby will turn by the 8th month.  I've been told
>  in ultrasound that mine is head down, deep in the pubic area,
>  with a posterial fundal placenta.  So it looks like she's all
>  ready to go.  Hopefully not too soon!  :-)
>
>  Gravity seems to help, as the head is the heaviest part, or so
>  I'm told by the ultrasound tech...

Didn't help  mine. Emilia was head down through 35 weeks. She turned
the day after the doctors decided not to try to stop labor the next
time it starts. I didn't realize the funny pains were her turning
so I went through most of labor before we realized she was complete breech
and was then preped for the C-section. 

Additional note - I was quite upset when I learned I had to have a
C-section.  Yes, the recovery was longer than for the birth of my son.
Yes, 2.5 months later, the incision can hurt when I get physically
tired and my stomach muscles are taking a long time to strengthen.
However, I have a healthy daughter and I'll be fine. 

I know there are people who are willing to risk cord prolapse and 
vaginally deliver breech babies, but is it worth it. Think about what 
level of risk you are willing to put your child in  in order to avoid
a section. The attitude "I'll do anything to avoid a section" is not 
healthy. "I will work with my health care providers and support
team to try to avoid a section, but recognize my responsibility of
giving my child the best start in life takes precedence" might
be a better approach.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:08:18 GMT

In article <CINDY.93Jan10201034@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>Beth Weiss writes:
>>There are four ways I use:
>>   --slip hand on top of diaper.  If it's warm, it's newly wet.
>>   --slip finger in diaper.  Feel diaper
>>   --feel diaper--if it feels bulky and full, it's wet
>>   --for pooper diapers, I can often smell them, or can see the
>>     poopers at the edge of the leg, just waiting to ooze out and get
>>     everything dirty.    (don't ask why we have 'pooper' diapers and
>>     not 'poopy' diapers at our house :-)--
>
>Well, when Sunniva started fussing shortly after she finished her
>bottle, i tried sticking my finger in to check the diaper.  It felt
>dry.  But rocking wasn't soothing her, and her toys weren't soothing
>her, so i checked to see if maybe the diaper was too tight or
>something.  When i opened it up the inside was bright yellow.  Don't
>remember if it felt warm or not, but it weighed a ton.  Next time i'm
>watching Sunny i guess i'll try the other two 8-).  (The diaper was
>just wet so smell wouldn't have helped much...)
>
>Thanks for the help!
>-Cindy Kandolf
> cindy@solan.unit.no
> Trondheim, Norway
>

  Another clue is to look at the color change.  If it's a white disposable,
  then you'll see some dull-looking color underneath, instead of fresh white.
  This is the gel, that soaks up the urine.  In my experience, slipping
  a finger in doesn't tell since the disposable wicks the urine up so
  you can't feel it.  Also grab the diaper and feel if there is any weight.
  If the diaper is bunched together, most likely it has gelled up.  A
  fresh diaper feels like paper still.
From: kate@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kate Jeffery)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:19:29 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1993Jan6.205818.29421@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>Well, I'm still not a Grandmother yet but any time now.
>
>What are the thoughts about laying a baby on its stomach or back?
>
>Back when mine were born you were always suppose to put them on their
>stomach to keep them from having a flat head in the back.
>
>I'm not sure this is the way it's done now.  Any thoughts on this from
>all of you out there?
>
>Jan

Yes, a study in New Zealand found that the incidence of cot death was
roughly halved in babies who slept on their backs or sides (*not*
fronts). It was quite a large and well-conducted study from what I've
heard, though I haven't read it and don't unfortunately have the
reference.

A television presenter here in Britain lost a child to cot death,
became active in cot death support, found out about the NZ study and
used her high profile to publicise the findings. The cot death rate is
now falling here too. I don't know what the suggested reason is for
the effect of sleeping position but I think it may be thought to have
something to do with control of respiration and/or accumulation of
expired gases round the baby's mouth. Maybe someone else has more
information. 

Kate Jeffery
Dept. of Pharmacology,
University of Edinburgh.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:08:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.165629.28269@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.053209.10284@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>
>[problems with washing machine deleted]
>>
>>My question:  How much do other home-diaper launders use in the way
>>of bleach?  Also, are there other alternatives to using bleach?  Has
>>anyone else found this problem?
>
>Bleach really isnt necessary. It keeps the diapers white, but who cares.
>Actually, I do bleach about once a month, and then I use about 1/2 cup. Bleach
>is pretty powerful stuff, and I woudnt pour it in without measuring. I also
>put it into that special little cup. You wouldnt want to pour bleach directly
>onto the dipes.
>
>
I admit to having no experience washing diapers, but I thought the
bleach (as in clorine bleach) was to kill bacteria -- with the
whitening as a side effect. I've always used it to sort of sterilize
clothes -- like say dog bedding.  (It kills flea eggs too.)

Learn something new everyday.

Elise.