From: gt1759c@prism.gatech.EDU (Donald Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rawdon's musings on virginity
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:39:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology/NE Student

In <rawdon.721347686@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>Warning:  Flames below.

>In <1992Nov9.144816.25573@ll.mit.edu> eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin) writes:
>>In article <rawdon.721285018@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>|> I was wondering whether Keiko, Ro and Guinan had become virgins again (well,
>>|> at least in Keiko's case it would have been "again" :-)  Since Picard's
>>|> hair returned, it doesn't seem far-fetched.

>>An interesting question, not so much for the question itself but for
>>what it says about the asker.

>Excuse me, could you be a little more specific about what you mean here?
>I'm getting damned sick of defending myself against oblique insults from
>people who don't have the balls to be up-front about it.

I'm with Michael here... The first time I read this, I said to myself 'What
the hell was that quip supposed to mean?', since nothing more is said 
directly (although a _lot_ of oblique 'You're sexist! Naughty, naughty!' 
seemed to be flying from my POV...). So I read it again. Same result...

Personally, I'd say that such a statement means Michael is either:
	a) A member of the human race, with the curiosity and questioning
mind characteristic of the species (or has that been bred out by now? :)

	b) Someone with a slightly twisted POV with respect to the norm.
(No insult here, Michael... My own POV is _definately_ off from the norm.)
Quite a few people find this ..... interesting? Better than being a sheep?
:)
	c) A hopelessly sick pedophile.

My bets are on (a). (I was sitting next to a (c) during the episode, he came
up with MUCH worse questions....)

>>				Picard's hair status is an easily observable
>>thing. Exactly what physically observable thing would you expect to indicate
>>the virginity of Ro and Guinan. No, I am not asking anyone for a lecture
>>on anatomy. I know perfectly well what you are thinking of, but you are
>>very mistaken if you think this is a true indicator of virginity.

>I meant the physical aspect.  I have heard several women say (to *me*) that
>the physical aspect of losing virginity for a female is not insignificant.
>While it is valid to posit that it was insignificant to these particular
>three women based on the information we have (which is none), it is equally
>valid to posit that it was NOT.

Actually, thinking about it - and getting back to the original question, did
Bev and O'Brian use the complete adult physical pattern w/ an overlay of
the present mental state (i.e. conciousness, soul, whatever. Don't really
feel like reopening the Great Humanistic/Religionistic Transporter Debate),
or did they only add the appropriate RVN sections that Beverly mentioned
earlier in the episode? 

I would assume the first, as the latter should just give you kids that 
will _definately_ age (that was the point of RVN, wasn't it? I kind of 
turned my brain off before the episode so I could enjoy it as a mind candy.
Some of us are still Riker fans from BOBW II and that war game with the
U.S.S. Hathaway....). In any event, the first option would restore the 
original adult bodies with Keiko still showing the tell-tale signs of
child-birth and the rest in whatever states of virginity they were in..
(Actually, don't we know Ro isn't? I missed this episode, but I seem to
recall Ro and Riker were supposed to have acted on physical attraction in
the Amnesia Episode. Sheesh... Hope that wasn't her first time. Definate
arguments for not in her right mind there......)

>>Why not
>>ask the same question about Picard, the question is about as meaningful
>>about him as about them.

>Because it is unlikely that he had a hymen to break the first time he
>had intercourse.  Sheesh!

'Nuff said, there... :)

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