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From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Experience with precognition
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:57:10 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Susan Fichera writes:
>
>Not an earth-shaking occurrence, but enough for me to call into
>question everything I assumed about the temporal order of things.
>My personal interpretation of the event is that I was being
>pushed, in a very gentle way, to begin the questioning process
>that continues in my life to the present day. As to who or what
>is doing the pushing, I think that spills into a spiritual discussion
>that is not within the charter of this news group. However, I'd
>be glad to discuss it with interested persons that write me
>directly.
 
I would think anything relating to how oobe's may be elicited or 
affected is within the charter of this group.  If that means you
say something like "Those who follow the spiritual path proscribed 
 by Vishnu Rama Lama Ding Dong Steve find that they have many oobes
 of thus-and-such-a-character" that is certainly within the charter
of this newsgroup.  
 
From your posting, it is pretty clear that you aren't self-indulgent
and that you are willing to extend some effort to communicate
effectively with those outside your "paradigm" or "path" or 
"world view" or "belief system" or "local minima" or "tunnel reality"
... etc.  As you continue to extend that courtesy to others they
should in turn respect the pespective you bring to the discussion.

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Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 11:55:59 EDT
From: Kind of a stupid game isn't it? <IO10781@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: near oobe experience!?

Ok. Here we go. This is what happened to me last Friday night.

I was laying in bed attempting to have an OOBE using my usual
method (which, I might add, hasn't worked yet) of relaxation
and willing of the astral body out of the physical body.
Well, on this night, I relaxed myself using the toe to head
relaxation method. Before I was even totally relaxed, I began
to get a tingling sensation in my feet which moved up my body
as I relaxed it. Soon, my whole body weas tingling. I have read
that this may be a precursor to an OOBE so I was quite excited
to feel it happening (probably my downfall right there). Then
for the next few minutes, I tried to move my astral body around
without moving my real physical body ... sort of willing myself
out. Not much happened except I could feel my left hand like the
astral hand was dangling on a taught string, just swaying back
and forth a little bit. I was very excited now thinking "Wow. I
might be about to experience separation!" Unfortunately, my heart
was thumping rather hard at this point and I couldn't calm down.
I decided this was probably the problem, so I called to my guide
as I have heard would be a good idea. I called for a bit but I
don't think anything really happened along the lines I was hoping.
I thought I saw a shadowy silohuetted figure coming at me
serpentine from qute a distance. All I could see was the man's (?)
torso and head. When he got any short distance away at all, he just
faded away. I kept laying still (despite prickley heat and the urge
to swallow and such) but nothing more happened. Finally, I sat up,
turned on the light and looked around. I was rather spooked and it
took me a while to get to sleep after that. That's it. Nothing all
that amazing.
I am thinking that perhaps this was brought on by my being home on
break for the first time in a month or so. Perhaps that had something
to do with this near OOBE. Any ideas?
P.S. I know this may not sound all that amazing to those of you who
OOBE regularly or whatever, but this is the closest I have ever
gotten and it excites the hell out of me.

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From: TARZAN
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS and SOUL TRAVEL
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.134027.10217@hplb.hpl.hp.com> rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com
(Richard Beckett) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct6.162312.1553@cnsvax.uwec.edu>,
>mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>|>           
>|> 
>|>                       THE DIVINE MASTERS and SOUL TRAVEL 
>
>	What's this got to do with the price of hampsters in Stroud on a 
>	Saturday afternoon ?
>
>
JIHN HABBA ZOODOO.  PULAKA NABU.

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: TARZAN
Subject: TO MASSIMO
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:41:44 GMT

MASSIMO,  READ, READ, READ.  THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF INFO THAT FITS EXACTLY
WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH.  I SUGGEST STARTING WITH ROBERT MONROE'S FIRST BOOK. 
JOURNEYS OUT OF THE BODY. AND ... RELAX  ENJOY.  ALSO RICK STACK HAS AN
INTERESTING BOOK    OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES IN 30 DAYS.  	
     LIFE.
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Subject: Please Label Experience Messages "Experience"
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 07:25:24 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Please put the word "Experience" at the top of your message if you
are posting an account of an experience you've had or know of.

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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:36:35 GMT
Organization: HP Western Response Center

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: OOBE, dreams, and precognition
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:45:21 GMT


A few years ago, I had a dream which I feel involved astral projection and
definately precognition.  

I was flying through a seemingly dark void, toward a spinning record (a normal
vinyl record)... as I got closer, I could see into the grooves.  I kept flying
closer and closer and selected a groove to aim towards... suddenly, I was
viewing a days events for the next day.  From everything to waking up, to
who I would see and where they would be standing and what they would be 
saying.

The following day, to my utter amazement, things from the dream began to
fall right into place.  It was if I could sit there and tell everyone
everything that was likely to happen.  I say _likely_ because in the dream
also came an 'understanding' from 'somewhere' that we live in a state
of probabilities and that things could be changed rather easily.  For
example, I knew that when I saw my two friends talking and I interrupted,
that the chain of events thereafter that I had 'seen' would be altered
considerably.

This never occurred again, but it seems parallel with some theories that
I have read about, ie we living in a state of probability.  It felt like
that 'record' was some type of HUGE database of probabilities, or an
'outline' of things to happen... but we are in by no means constricted to
it.  Any comments?

Forrest
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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Is separation EASY ???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt.out-of-body
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:52:29 GMT

Well, it's certainly true that you can try too hard or want
it too much.  It took me months of heavy-duty visualization
and meditation to achieve my first success, and then I was
so startled that I snapped right back!  I have one of those
minds that are always churning, the monkeys are chattering
in the trees, as they say, so it's very difficult to still
it enough.  Pranayama breathing techniques seem to be the
best drill, coupled with visualizations which induce the
desired sleepy state.  This is why I'm now starting to
try "artificial" methods, based on Monroe's earlier brain
wave techniques.  But it's really because I'm just too 
impatient to be able to do it right!

All you can do is keep trying.....

trr

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CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N 
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Near Death Experiences
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:38:11 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (Forrest Aldrich - SysAdmin)

This really has to do more with Death than not... but it is related (somewhat)
and I'd be interested in other's input as to the reality (or not) of this:

Several months ago, my great-grandmother passed away.  I found out a couple
of weeks later (as usual, the last to know)... a few nights afterward I was
having a dream; pretty normal in all respects.  In it, I was helping my
roommates do kitchen chores... I went to grab a dishtowel to dry the dishes,
when suddenly it seemed as if the dream were interrupted:  I held the dishtowel
in front of me, and to my utter shock I saw my great-grandmother's handwriting,
which read something like, "I just stopped to say good-bye.  I have a few things
to take care of before I go ... (etc) ... I love you.  -Grammie"

In the dream, it was if I could feel an external presense... as if she were
there, outside of my dream, reaching inward to communicate with me.

I don't usually have these experiences at all, and I think this is the first...
but I would like to know if any others have experienced similar things, and
to know that this might have been real.

Forrest

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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: RE. MORE EXPERIENCE
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:52:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.154908.13988@nrtpa038.bnr.ca>, TARZAN writes:
|> I HAVE READ OF A WOMAN WHO WHILE TRAVELLING OUT OF BODY BECAME STUCK TO A POWER
|> TRANSMISSION LINE.  SHE SAID SHE HAD TO FOLLOW THE LINE TO A GROUNDING POINT TO
|> BE ABLE TO GET OFF OF IT.  INTERESTING.  

UNLESS THERE IS MORE INFORMATION, THIS AMOUNTS TO NOTHING MORE THAN
A STORY.  WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE INTERESTING HERE?  WHY BOTHER TO 
POST THIS?

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
ORGANIZATION: LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIV - CENTER FOR ACADEMIC COMPUTING
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 16:57:11 PST
From: <ACADLAB2@LMUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Scientific Verification (Was: re: Spiritual Guides and more)
Distribution: usa
 <1992Oct6.121020.1301@Princeton.EDU>
 <1992Oct6.142858.825@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
 <1992Oct8.162131.10859@Princeton.EDU>

testing...testing
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: astral planes
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:04:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.215239.8234@javelin.sim.es.com>, KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh) writes in part:
|> In <JiPHsB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> jim@netlink.cts.com writes:
|> 
|> 
|> > Fortunately, there are many who appear to understand the 
|> > importance of observation at this stage of the game.  I would 
|> > encourage those of us who DO understand how important observation
|> > is to focus our efforts on sharing our EXPERIENCES in the most
|> > accurate and detailed way we can.  Indeed, specific experiments 
|> > with controls etc. are not nearly as important at this stage as 
|> > is simply gathering accurate subjective reports.
|> 
|>     I'd like to second this.  My interest is in determining the nature of the
|> experiences that I have had.  Several times I have posted accurate and careful
|> accounts of personal experiences and had someone respond by claiming that my
|> observations are incorrect. In every case this has been someone who has never
|> experienced an OBE but claimed to have a clearer knowledge than I due to
|> access to a higher source (i.e. a channelled entity). I hold to the claim that
|> personal experience is the highest source (despite what your channeller
|> friends claim) of reliable information in a phenomenon as little understood as
|> this. We should attempt to cull the common features of our experiences to
|> begin laying the foundations of a model for common referrence. 

You say your interest is in "determining the nature of the experiences",
which is not at all the same thing as "simply gathering accurate subjective
reports".  People are interested in both descriptions and possible
explanations.  IMHO there should be plenty of room for BOTH interests,
even though not everyone is not equally interested in them.

I share your concern about people who claim your observations are 
incorrect, whether they claim to have simlar experiences or not.  When
people report experiences, we should accept them.

However, some people have been rather careless in mixing their experiences
with elaborate theoretical claims.  Instead of "I saw a blob of light",
I read things like "The spirit so-and-so came to me in his 99th form,
looking like a blob of light."  The first is a simple description of the
experience, the second contains an interpretation of the experience.
I would never dispute the first, but I might well question some aspects
of the interpretation.

I might also point out that, IMHO, this phenomnon is actually pretty well 
understood, and there is plenty of reliable information about what the 
experiences are like.  The experiences posted here are pretty similar to
hundreds of others I have read about.  There is no reason not to post
them, but I don't think much new ground is being broken here.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: My Own Experiences with OBEs
From: artemps@zeus.calpoly.edu (A Richard Temps)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:13:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

To my knowledge, I've had only one out-of-body experience, and I was quite
unconscious at the time.  I don't know why I was sliding all over the 
ceiling, but there I was.  I have read many books and tried a lot of
different exercises, but it's a really difficult thing to TRY to do.
In any case, very soon I will be learning how to do auto-hypnosis.  My
question is, has anybody the auto-hypnosis ability been able to willfully
induce an OBE?  I would think that it would help things along quite a bit,
in any case.  Any comments or answers would be appreciated.

					Richard

"A person without a by-line"
From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Question on Robert Monroe
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:11:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

What is this Robert Monroe Institute? 

I have never hear of it and there seems to be a lot of talk about it.
I gather that it is a place where people train for OOB?

Did you know that the U.S. government used OOB to gather information
during operation Desert Storm? It draw a lot bad criticism for not
producing any useful information. It seems that the normal methods
for information didn't do much better with zero mobile Scud launcher
destroyed during the effort.

dano:		The world is glowing for all to see!
From: awest@ub.d.umn.edu (The Piano Man)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: OOBE with somone else in bed
Date: 15 Oct 1992 16:21:36 -0500
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu
Summary: Can I do it?

I was wondering if anybody out there had ever experienced
OOBE while in bed with someone else?  As I usually sleep
with someone else, I find it hard to have time alone where
I can practice my relaxation and other stuff...

Also, does anyone know anything about mutual projections, i.e.
more than one person going out-of-body together?

Please email me or post your response if you feel others would like
to hear.

Andrew West
awest@ub.d.umn.edu

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: factors such as noise conditions(oobe)
Keywords: noise
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.153150.9477@raven.alaska.edu>, fsrsg@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse) writes:
|> In my readings, and in this group, not much thought or opinion
|> has been given to noise.  Is this that little of a factor?
|> It seems to me that it would only be a problem with the 
|> relaxation phase(ie: more to tune out), but as an example, monroe
|> has a definate lack of talk about noise (background or other)
|> in his experiances or when he gives technique other than a
|> 'quiet area' or something...I look at that as pretty vague...
|> would it not work in a place where there's the slightest bit
|> of noise?  I'm looking forward to peoples' opinions...-r

There are reports of 'spontaneous' OBEs in which the person
remained conscious and continued to conduct conversations,
etc., while ALSO viewing the scene from outside.  Obviously,
these occured with normal noise levels.

Clearly, relaxation and concentration exercises will be more 
difficult with lots of distractions and noise.

Here's an interesting question to consider:  while out of the
body, can you hear noises present at your physical body?
(If so, how???)  And can you hear sounds present at your
"second body"?  (If so, how???)  And if both can be heard,
do suggestions, questions, commands, etc., spoken to the 
physical body affect the "second body"? 

Anybody have experience with this kind of thing?

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Near Death Experiences
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:30:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.175504.21217@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct16.073951.16583@news.ysu.edu>, ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson) writes in part:
|> |> >
|> |> >I also claimed that brain activity can continue for at least a while 
|> |> >with oxygen cut off.  This is clearly possible, as it happens all the 
|> |> >time when people are resucitated from heart failure.  Naturally, there 
|> |> >may be damage, and the experience may be wierd....
|> |> >
|> |> You seem to have missed the point of my question.  You simply stated
|> |> that the brain can survive without oxygen for a limited time, but I
|> |> was asking whether the brain can actually function without a supply
|> |> of blood (something totally different).
|> Sorry, I missed this detail of you comment.  Substitute lack of blood
|> for lack of oxygen and I think what I said is still OK.

Having now seen a whole series of comments about the difference between
"lack of oxygen" and "lack of blood", it is not clear to me that I was
not entirely understanding what others were talking about.   Furthermore,
I was making statements that are not really justified.

It is now clear to me that what sort of brain activity might be occurring
as the brain starves to death (as opposed to suffocates) is problematic.
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: OOBE with somone else in bed
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:10:42 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1bknd0INNa3c@ub.d.umn.edu> awest@ub.d.umn.edu writes:

> I was wondering if anybody out there had ever experienced
> OOBE while in bed with someone else?  As I usually sleep
> with someone else, I find it hard to have time alone where
> I can practice my relaxation and other stuff...

  All of my OBEs have happened since I got married.  With one or two 
exceptions my wife was in bed next to me.
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Subject: Re: address of the Monroe Institute?
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:43:59 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

the address of the Monroe Institute is:

Rt. 1
Box 175
Faber, VA 22938

(804)-361-1252

in case anyone's wondering i am not affiliated with the Monroe Institute, i
just know their address :)

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies)
Subject: Re: astral planes
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:16:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.141332.26478@dxcern.cern.ch> emanuel@dxcern.cern.ch (Emanuel Machado) writes:
>In <1992Oct9.191629.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct9.195519.12162@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert 
>>McGrath) writes:
>>> 
>>> Grass, however, has no brain, and does not sleep or dream.  Since grass
>>> doesn't seem to be self-aware, I can't see how it could have much
>>> "experience" of any kind, in or out of its "body".
>
>>i've heard of experiments in which a guy goes into a room full of plants and
>>kills a plant or two in the presence of all the others.  the
>>plants emit a vibration that has been compared to a scream...then whenever the
>>"murderer" comes back in the room, the still-living plants emit that same
>>vibration...i think there's more to plants than science acknowledges...
>
>>Jude
>
>	It's funny, just yesterday I had a friend of mine telling me the
>exact same thing. Is it verifiable? Has it been reproduced? Do you have
>any reliable references to this?
>
>	Now I'm really curious.
>
>	Emanuel
>

  Years and years ago (probably about 1975) I remember seeing some 
documentary about an experimenter who put some sort of measuring
device onto leaves of plants. I think he was measuring some sort of
electrical force inside the plants.  Anyway, the point is, he was
thinking about setting fire to the plants to see what the response
would be (only *thinking* about it), when the needles went crazy.
He concluded that the plants were picking up his thought energy and
responding to it appropriately.  DON'T BURN ME!!!!  Like I said,
it's been a long long time, but I think the point of his experiments
was testing if talking to plants encourages growth.

Not that this has much to do with OOB's, but I've tried this (I'm
a statistician, and *none* of this is statistically proper) with
my plants (not the burning part, I couldn't do that to the poor 
bairns)  and I think that no matter what I do, if I care for them,
they die and if I leave them to fend for themselves, they live.
I do tell them that it's up to them to live, though!!!  
One day I'll do a *real* experiment...have to make it double blind,
though...plan it far from the plants so they don't pick up my thoughts.
Isn't this getting a bit strange???

-Di
di@stat.tamu.edu
"Put your faith in a loud guitar"--Kiss/Revenge