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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:29:04 EST
Reply-To:     "AEKara (psakste ton 2o)" <70761.3206@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         "AEKara (psakste ton 2o)" <70761.3206@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: 0a polemisete n dev 0a polemnsete ? Idou n aporia
Comments: To: "Ta paidia, ta paidia,
          ta filarakia ta kala" <hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu>

>Telika meta apo tosi fasaria, giati den anarwtiomaste:
>
>Ti einai "Ellhnas?" kai ti antiproswpeuei shmera h "Ellada?"


Kala, esu akoma psaxnesai. Asto megale, POLY duskolo erwtima. Mas trellanes.

Pou ta briskete wres wres kai ta petate kati tetoia tsarouxia, ena theos
kserei.


>Dimitis,RPI

-Manoio,AEK (oute t' onoma tou den kserei na grafei o anthrwpos. Perimenete
     twra kserei kai ti einai Ellinas. As mi ta theloume ki ola dika
mas)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:26:55 -0500
Reply-To:     "K.X. Georgiou" <kxg7283@ULTB.ISC.RIT.EDU>
From:         "K.X. Georgiou" <kxg7283@ULTB.ISC.RIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 0a polemisete n dev 0a polemnsete ? Idou n aporia
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>
> Rantebou sto metwpo (kata pasa pithanotita sti Mukono). :)
>

Ti egeine re ?!$#%*^#@  Eisvolh apo Brazilianes to kalokairi sth Mukono?
Aeeeeeraaaa!!!!

> >--
> >Kyriakos Gewrgiou     e-mail: kxg7283@ultb.isc.rit.edu
> >1as apo tous 4,500,000 gaurous
>
> Manolio Brijeston      e-mail: 70761.3206@compuserve.com
> 1a apo ta 10,000,000 xanoumia
>

Wres einai twra na mou ypografeis me:
1a apo ta 10,000,000 xanoumia

O plh0ysmos ths psarokostoulas einai olos olos 10,000,000 kai kati
pshla.

--
Kyriakos Gewrgiou     e-mail: kxg7283@ultb.isc.rit.edu
1as apo tous 4,500,000 gaurous
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:56:24 EST
Reply-To:     Spiros Liolis <SLIOLIS@UTCVM.BITNET>
From:         Spiros Liolis <SLIOLIS@UTCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Depeche Mode

Stis 23 Martiou loipon prwi prwi sta diskadika.


Spiros
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:27:51 EST
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From:         Rempetns <ext0987@HERTZ.NJIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PAO-OSFP
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OFF
>
>         Exase o thrillos me 8 pontous an den kanw lathos (h kapou
> ekei). Xthes itan i tixeri mera gia ton Olimpiako !!!
>
> Andreas
>

   pao-osfp 69-56.
   aek-sporting 78-72
   paok-dafvn 85-52
   paviwvios-apollwv patrwv 90-78
   pagkrati-larisa 92-82
   arns-peiraikos 110-77

   ba0mologia

   1. pao         35
   2. arns        34
   -  paok
   -  olumpiakos
   -  paviwvios
   6. paristeri   30
   7. aek         29
   8. hraklns     27
   ...
   ...


Baggelns.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:33:04 AST
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Subject:      RE:SEOS

XAIRETW SAS,SORRY KATI EGINE EDW KAI EGINE ENA MIKRO LA0AKI KAI DEN
...$ERW EAN EF0ASE KAI ALLO GRAMMA.TELOSPANTWN....$ANADHLWNW
PWS:::::::::::::::H MAKEDONIA EINAI
ELLHNIKH.:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::DEYTERH
DHLWSH:(PROS
OLUMPIAKOUS):::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::EAN O
GEWRGIADHS AFHSEI TON KARAPIALH NA PAI$EI TH MPALA POU $EREI PHRATE
PRWTA0LHMA........................................(TYXEROI))). EMA0A
(EFHMERIS 13/1/93)OTI KATW STHN A0HNA SFAXTHKAN GIA TON MHTRPOLITH
LARISSAS,ALH0EYEI?..................................................
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:39:32 LCL
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Subject:      Re: Erwtnsn gia double casette player

>
>
>         Epeidn 0elw va agorasw eva double casette deck 0a parakalousa opoiov j
> ei
> as proteivei marka n estw kai movtelo. Auto pou 0a n0ela episns va rwtnsw eiva
> av ajizei tov kopo va parei kaveis stereo apo edw kai va tnlefwvnsei
> stnv kataskeuastria etaireia va tous zntnsei va tou steilouv tov metatropea
> reumatos gia va douleuei kai sto ejwteriko me 220 V kai alln suxvotnta. Jerw
> evav filo apo Kupro pou to exei kavei.
>
> Filika
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Gnwrizw oti ta TEAC einai poly kala. Oi logoi shmatos pros 0orybo einai
(xwris Dolby) 60 db
(Dolby B)     70 db
(Dolby C)     80 db !!!

Gia to deytero den kserw.

filika
panayiotis
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:44:07 PST
Reply-To:     "Ioannis G. Papakonstantinou" <yannis@CS.STANFORD.EDU>
From:         "Ioannis G. Papakonstantinou" <yannis@CS.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Peri polemou, genika kai eidika
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 Epeidi akoustikan arketa endiaferonta pragmata tis teleytaies meres,
tha ithela na riksw merikes skepseis :

Nomizw oti i apofygi polemou prepei na einai o prwtarxikos stoxos
tis Elladas. Kai oi thermokefaloi ("ntou sta Skopia") kai oi
coolatoi ("ma ti asxoloumaste me to kratidio") exoun diapseystei
pleon kathoti i malliarotita tis katastasis einai profanis kai
ena swro endexomena anoikta. Opws eixa xanagrapsei, me tin Tourkia
na asxoleite me tin 'eirineysi' tis perioxis, ola na ta fovomaste.

An kai epithetikos polemos apo pleyras Elladas itan kai einai
adiano.i.tos (gia onoma tis arkoudas, den xreiazetai analysi gia
na katalavoume ti katastrofi tha ginei), mporei na vrethoume se dyskoli
katastasi logw proklitikwn senariwn . Den tha ithela na kanw ton
senariografo twra, alla pisteyw oti yparxoun kykloi pou ftiaxnoun
senaria.

Kai kati akoma pou afora ti xwra, alla kai ton kathena xehwrista:
I eykolia me tin opoia enas anthrwpos paizei ti zwi tou alla kai
i eykolia me tin opoia ena kratos paizei tin zwi twn politwn tou
(eidi diavlepw Re: apo Malta-Rekleiti) exartatai poly apo tin 'axia'
pou exei i anthrwpini zwi sto dedomeno topo-xrono. Kai doxa tw thew,
i anthrwpini zwi simera sti Dysi kai Ellada, thewreitai i megalyteri axia
apo tous polites (oxi Jihad kai malakeies twn Mousoulmanwn) alla
kai apo to kratos (an Rekleitis - Maltas - loipoi aristeroi den
dexontai to parapanw, as paradextoun toulaxiston oti sygkritika me
opoiodipote allo kathestws opoudipote, opotedipote i Dysi exei to
provadisma)

 Apo ekei kai pera, den thewrw apithano na skeftonati oi neoi
"pws na tin kanoun se periptwsi ntou" (opws eipe o Swtiris) kai to na leme
emeis edw (Pipi mazi sou), oti den exoume kamia oreksi na skotwthoume.
Osoi etoimazontai na poun oti apla lew me orologia oti eimaste
kalomathimenoi, as to xanaskeftoun. Me dedomeno to kathestws tis
Elladas prepei na paizetai kati fovera vary, gia na ftasoume sto simeio
na poume oti axizei thysia zwwn. Afirimenes idees kai oikonomika
wfeli do not qualify.
Ki osoi viazontai na katatagoun e-mailika, as prosexoun prin to grapsoun,
giati oi kairoi einai poniroi.

Yannis Papakwnstantinou
Stanford, CA
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:57:30 EST
Reply-To:     Stavros Vougioukas <stavros@CAT.RPI.EDU>
From:         Stavros Vougioukas <stavros@CAT.RPI.EDU>
Subject:      Gia tous en Rochester
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

Geia xara,

stelnw mhnuma gia enan filo pou den exei prosbash sto hellas
kai o opoios pi0anws na brisketai sto Rochester thn erxomenh Pempth.
An  kapoios mporei na ton filoksenhsei gia ena bradu as mou steilei
parakalw proswpiko.
Euxaristw ek twn proterwn,

Stavros - RPI
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:13:01 EST
Reply-To:     Anastasios Kotsikonas <tasos@AVS.COM>
From:         Anastasios Kotsikonas <tasos@AVS.COM>
Subject: Re: Terma oi eksagores thiteias?

|> Ayto apo to prokseneio tis Bostwnis: telos stis eksagores thiteias gia
|> anypotaktous kai osous exoun ginei monimoi katoikoi i polites ekswterikou
|> kai einai nomima ektos strateymatos.
>            ^^^^^^
>
> Sygxwreiste me W Auhnaioi, alla den mporw na katalabw pws kapoios poy
 brisketai
> NOMIMA ektos strateymatos xreiazetai na ejagorasei th uhteia toy.

Einai poli aplo; osoi eginan monimoi katoikoi ekswterikou prin to Matri tou 91
den kyrisontai anypotaktoi kai as min exoun anaboli. Apla mporoun na pigainoun
Ellada mexri kai 4 mines to xrono. Ean thelisoun na doulepsoun tote tha
prepei na kanoun tin thiteia tous, ite oli ite 6 mines analoga pote eginan
monimoi katoikoi, klp.

Tasos
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:42:36 GMT
Reply-To:     Evangelos Siozos <mmuv8@CENTRAL.SUSSEX.AC.UK>
From:         Evangelos Siozos <mmuv8@CENTRAL.SUSSEX.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Satelite ET1
Comments: To: hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Ta mails gia ET1 , kai doryforikh thlewrash prose3a oti einai apo
> Souhdia kai UK.  Mporoume emeis apo US na paroume ton doryforo ?
> [To programma ennow...;-)]

> Kyriakos Gewrgiou     e-mail: kxg7283@ultb.isc.rit.edu
> 1as apo tous 4,500,000 gaurous
>
        Sthn aporia auth pou exei o Kuriakos alla kai pi&anon alla paidia
sas lew oti to siyouro einai oti o ANT1 siyoura ekpempei doruforika sthn
U.S.A. Den ekpempei en telei sthn Eurwph opws mou eipan. Gia thn ET1 den
uparxoun akoma akriveis plhrofories. Perissotera prosexws.
                        Filika,
                        Vangelis Siozos
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:09:46 EDT
Reply-To:     Apostolos Makridis <pmakridi@BBN.COM>
From:         Apostolos Makridis <pmakridi@BBN.COM>
Subject:      podosfairo a1 - 19h agwnistikh
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geia sas hellasites kai podosfairofiloi,

merikes leptomeries gia tous agwnes tou sabbato-kyriakou opws
ta metadwse h fwnh ths elladas stis 00:15 utc.

sta nea epese ksulo sth melbournh australias metaksi ellhnwn kai
skopianwn se podosfairiko agwna. h astunomia sunelabe polla
atoma kai apo tis duo pleures. oi skopianoi kata thn diarkia tou
agwna prokalousan tous ellhnes me sunQhmata kai anemizan
ton hlio ths berginas. oi ellhnes fwnazan ellas-ellas-makedonia
dhladi egine ths mourlhs. kanenas apo thn melbournh an exei
pio polles leptomeries as grapsei.

sabbato
aQhnaikos - aek 0-0
tritos sunexhs agwnas gia thn aek dixws nikh. o termatofulakas
dafkos (sp;) tou aQhnaikou ekane arketes swthries epembaseis.
h aek eixe dokaria sto 14' me sabebski kai 44' me manwla.
o dhmhtriadhs kai aleksandrhs den apedwsan.

kyriakh
olympiakos - edessaikos 1-1
ekplhksh sto karaiskaki h isopalia pou paraxwrhse o olympiakos.
o osfp epaikse kala kata diastimata. dokari o litoftsekno sto 40'
5' tsalouxidhs (1-0)
90' papadopoulos (1-1)

pao - pierikos 4-0
o pao anebhke sth deuterh Qesh tou prwtaQlhmatos nikwntas
eukola ton pieriko.
10' frantzeskos
24' kalysta(sp;) autogkol
34' xristodoulou
73' bazexa

paok - ofh
spoudaia nikh gia ton "sifouna" ofh. o ofh ekane ena megalo bhma
gia mia Qesh sth eurwph. o paok epaikse kala alla den mporese na
bgalei to deutero gkol
25' lagwnidhs (1-0)
65' maxlas (1-1)
83' gewrgamlhs (1-2)

arhs - hraklhs 1-0
wraio mats sto Qessalonikiotiko derby. o hraklhs sto 39 eixe
gkol me ton andreadh alla o diaithths to akyrwse ws off-side.
dokaria 70' (hraklhs) kai 73' (arhs)
48' milogebits

apollwn - panaxaikh 0-0
h panaxaikh efuge me ton baQmo alla kallusta Qa mporouse na
fugei kai me tous treis. o apollwnas den fanike sto mats. apo to
50' lepto h patraikh omada me 10 paiktes. dokari o otitzi sto 74'

kalamaria - ksanQh 2-2
dikaio apotelesma Qewreite h isopalia.
3' nolhs (1-0)
24' aQanasiadhs (1-1)
75' martselo (1-2)
76' malagkanhs (sp;) (2-2)

doksa - korinQos 1-0
me 10 paixtes h korinQos sto 38 meta apo thn apobolh tou loupou
75' aleksandridhs

iwnikos - larisa 0-1
me axgos o iwnikos exase sth nikaia apo mia kalh larisa.
o termatofulas ths larisas gewrgiou (sp;) h morfh tou agwna.
oi anastopoulos kai bambakoulas apo iwniko epaiksan kala
alla oi upoloipoi paixtes tou iwnikou den apedwsan.
63' naupliako (sp;)

skorers
18 dhmhtriadhs (aek)
17 martselo (ksanQh)
16 bazexa (pao)
11 aQanasiadhs(ksanQh), kwsths(hraklhs)
10 zoumboulhs(pierikos)

Apostolos
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:50:21 -0600
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From:         Andreas Veneris <veneris@UIEOSA.CSL.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      ZHTW O GEWRGIADHS!!!
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        Paidia,
zhtw o faflagewrgiadhs !!!
Mazi-mazi sthn B' Ethniki!!!
Gia na veltiwthei to klima sthn omada eprepe na fane mia diakopi simvolaiou
ta tsoglania oi paiktes kai oxi o Mplaxin.
Gia na diorthwthei to klima eprepe na tous steiloun sto nevrokopi kai
oloi na trexoun plin tou Mplaxin pou tha pigaine me papaki opws eixe kanei
palia o Gmox...
Twra na deite panigiria oi xanoumes & vazelia, kai den exw na tous pw kai
tipota.
Makari o Nta.i.fas na eprakse swsta alla den nomizw...

Andreas=gavros
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:59:00 EDT
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Subject:      Kapoia a0lntika apo Fwvn Ellados
Comments: To: HELLAS@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU

        Epeidn eimai se nomail den jerw av o Arns sas eipe tipota
paraleipomeva apo tnv apolusn tou Mplaxiv.  O idios me dakrua sta matia
gia tnv ayogn sumperifora twv filwv tou OSFP pou pareure0nakav
stnv propovnsn tns Deuteras euxaristnse olous kai dev perimeve oute
bebaia tnv apolusn tou (akoma perimevei kapoia ejngnsn apo Ntaifa)
oute kai tnv avtidrasn tou komsou pou pote dev nl0e se amesn epafn.
        Dev vomizw va uparxouve paixtes pou dev epaijav epitndes sto
mats tns Kuriakns gia va fugw.  Euxaristnsa tous paiktes kai me apoxairetnsav
egkardia (se ta mas twra!!!).  Malista o Mpalxiv eixe dnlwsei pws 0a
douleue akoma amis0os mexri to telos tns saizov.
        Omws fnmes akougovtai oti o Olek avebaivei pros Borra va avalabei
tov pagko tou PAOK.  Allos "mvnstnras" eivai kai o strabomourns pou propo
vei twra tov APOEL pou dev eivai allos apo tov Gmox.  Opoia kai va'vai n epilogn
avamesa apo tous duo, o Sarafns 0a eivai o propopvntns mias kai dev givetai
va proslabeis 2 jevous tnv idia xrovia.

        Auta ta snmavtika apo tov xwro  tov ejwgnpediko.  Aurio exoume kupello
kai 0a doume ti 0agivei sto paixvidi Kalamatas-Dojas Dramas (akous ekei dev
 mporouv
va paijouv se jero!!!  Nai les kai n Lewforos nmijero dev ntave.

        Aurio paizei o Olumpiakos me tnv Real sto kleisto basket

Sas kalnvuxtw

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Reply-To:     Nikos Strifas <pao@WAM.UMD.EDU>
From:         Nikos Strifas <pao@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      mac question
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

I'm programming in the Mac toolbox environment with FutureBASIC (formerly
ZBASIC) and would like to eliminate the menu bar from the screen.  I'm
sure it can be done since Hypercard provides for it and a number of
applications I have seen do it.  Can anyone help me out with the technique
for accomplishing this?

Thanks...
         N. Strifas
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:59:45 CST
Reply-To:     "Peter G. Petropoulos" <peter@OUZO.BROOKS.AF.MIL>
From:         "Peter G. Petropoulos" <peter@OUZO.BROOKS.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Anekdoto
Comments: To: hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu

Kai oi guvaikes avagvwstes autou tou koloxaviou eivai toso porwmeves pou dev
peiraxtnkav apo kati tetoio...

>So there's this loudmouth guy sitting getting plastered in a bar
>late one night. He gets pretty drunk and yells to the bartender
>"Hey barkeep, I want to buy a drink for that douchebag at the end of the
>bar!" The bartender comes over and tells the man that he should remember
>she is a customer and to be civil. The man nods, but a while later yells
>to the bartender "Hey listen, I still want to buy that douchebag a drink
>The drinkmaster reminds the man that he runs a respectable establishment
>and to treat customers with respect. The man says he's sorry, and the
>bartender goes to the other end of the bar and tells the woman "the
>gentleman at the other end of the bar would like to buy you a drink.
>What would you like?"
>"Great," the woman says, "I'll have a vinegar and water."


Eivai kai autn n avoxn evtagmevn sto gevikotero klima kseftulas pou
mas xaraktnrizei pia sav koivwvia...pisteuovtas oti "mpora eivai 0a
perasei" mas exouv ma0ei va ta trwme ola pa0ntika kai va ta dikaiologoume
me ka0e tropo. Meta merikoi avarwtiwvte giati 0a prepei va megalwvouv
ta paidia mas me misos...peite mou mnpws blepete eseis kavevav ikavo va
balei kammia troxopedn ? Edw o mellov epistnmovas tou ekswterikou pou
avametadidei "avekdota" opws to parapavw dev mporei va katalabei giati
dev prepei va to kavei, vomizete oti n mavva pou megalwse me to ROMANTSO
kai tnv FANTASIA 0a mporesei va katalabei giati 0a prepei va ma0ei ta
paidia tns va mnv paizouv polemo giati o polemos eivai kakos ???


Eipame va koroideuomaste, alla metaksu katergarewv eilikrivia...

Petros
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Reply-To:     Nicolas ASSIMOS <assimos@ATMS.IRIT.FR>
From:         Nicolas ASSIMOS <assimos@ATMS.IRIT.FR>
Subject:      kommatia ellnvikns maurilas II
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pistos stnv uposxesn mou agapntoi akroates sas exw edw
eva poinmataki pou egrapsa se fasn polu down. Parakalouvtai
osoi exouv taseis autoktovias va mnv to diabasouv. H aln0eia
eivai oti me mousikn akougetai kalutero apoti otav diabazetai aplws...
Prosde0eite...


                       H AFASIA

  Otav ap'to krebati de snkw0w kapoio prwi
  de 0a'vai ap'to poto kai to tsigaro.
  Otav ta matia dev avoi3w eva prwi
  de 0a'vai ap'to parais0nsiogovo.
  0a'vai ap' to skatokosmo pou me trigurizei
  me blemma povnro kai rupogovo.

  Na katalabw ti sumbaivei dev mporw
  sav tous seismoplnktous tn vuxta
  av ftaive oi alloi n' to sapio mou egw
  av ola auta ta psemata eiv'aln0eia.
  Ma ki av mou bgouv aln0iva to problnma lumevo
  n usteria mou'give suvn0eia.

  Av0rwpoi avais0ntoi psnfizouve me znlo
  movof0almo tsopavo sto kopadi twv tuflwv.
  Pukvn omixln skepase to ermo to mualo mou
  megafwva 3eplevouv ta muala twv politwv.
  Ypvos, fa'i' skata kai se3, eimaste zeugarwma
  vomotagwv kai barupoivitwv.

  Me kurieuei o povos kai allo dev avtexw
  paei ki n teleutaia efedreia,
  omws 0a suvexisw to koufari mou va servw
  me tempelia kai de3iotexvia.
  O pointns ki o dnmios, oloi mazi parea,
  koitazouv tov ka0reftn m'andia.


                    Nikos Asnmos
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Via: uk.ac.umist.central-services.sun; Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:02:13 +0000
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:00:29 GMT
Reply-To:     Pythagoras Papadimitriou
              <papad@VORTEX.MATHEMATICS.MANCHESTER.AC.UK>
From:         Pythagoras Papadimitriou
              <papad@VORTEX.MATHEMATICS.MANCHESTER.AC.UK>
Subject:      Another Day in Bosnia
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

Snmera to prwi eixe to ITV mia zwvtavn suzntnsn gia tnv katastasn
stnv Bosnia. Mesa sto akroatnrio upnrxav kai filoserboi. Se kapoia
stigmn suvde0nke live me evav avtapokritn tou ITN, ovomati Paul
Davies o opoios eipe:

Otav nr0ame edw vomizame pws 0a broume movo Serbous va bomabardizouv
me baru puroboliko tis poleis kai ta xwria . Alla n pragmatikotnta
eivai polu diaforetikn. Exw arxisei, eipe, va amfiballw av eivai oi
Serboi pou exouv to adiko. Sigoura pavtws ta pragmata dev eivai opws
ta parousiazoume sto Evwmevo Basileio. Oi Kroates kai oi Mousoulmavoi
exw terastio meridio eu0uvns.

Merta kavave tnlefwvikn ynfoforia gia to av prepei va steilouve british
troops stnv Bosnia. To apotelesma ntav:

      4517  Yes
     11225  No.

Kai n aitia: Ekei eivai Balkavia, dev eivai Irak. Eivai sigoura pio duskola
ta pragmata kai apo to Vietnam. Giati se autn tnv periptwsn exouve va ta
balouve me treis.

H ekpompn legotav THE TIME & PLACE. ( Giati kapoios mou eipe oti auta
pou egraya sto mail mou Ellas & Serbia ntav apo radio arbnla )


P. Papdimitriou
Manchester University
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.vmesa-l
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:26:01 EST
From:         Paul Goodwin <CC100PG@GITVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
              25 Jan 1993 14:17:04 EST from <JSAVIT@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>

How is the user interface for SYBACK?  Is it pretty simple for users to
restore their own files?

Paul
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.vmesa-l
From: xxfdh@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. Dustin Fu)
Subject: Re: BARS/VM
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:13:05 GMT

an7637%anon.penet.fi@FUUG.FI writes:
: Is anyone using BARS/VM (IBM's Backup, Archive, and Retrieval System)?
: 
: If so, I would like opinions on its ease of use and reliability.

Hello,

I would like very much to hear from you(the VM/ESA gurus) about what
backup software you all use.  We are migrating from MVS/SP to VM/ESA
soon and interested in finding out a good backup software.  We have
heard VMBACKUP from Systems Center, and SYBACK from SyncSort, Inc.  Has
anyone use any of these products (including BARS/VM)?

Any comments are appreciated and thanks in advance.


Dustin Fu
Computer Programmer
Academic Computing Services
U of Tx at Arlington

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Organization: Slippery Rock University - Computer Center
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.vmesa-l
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:44:47 EST
From:         Fran Hensler <FJH@SRU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
              22 Jan 1993 18:13:05 GMT from <xxfdh@UTAGRAPH.UTA.EDU>

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:13:05 GMT Mr. Dustin Fu said:
>I would like very much to hear from you(the VM/ESA gurus) about what
>backup software you all use....

We have been using VM/QuickBack from Unlimited Software Resources
((216) 650-1984) for about three years.  It does not have all the bells
and whistles that VMBACKUP and SYBACK have.  It only backs up CMS
files (no SFS) and there is no provision for user initiated restore.

There is provision for a FULLBACK on specified days and HALFBACK
(only files updated since the last FULLBACK) on the rest of the days.
We do a FULLBACK on Sunday and HALFBACK each weekday.

It does the job for us.  We rarely have more than 1 restore request per
day and the computer operators handle them quite nicely.

Francis J. Hensler, CDP                     BITNET: FJH@SRU
Software Support Specialist                 Phone: (412) 738-2033
Slippery Rock University Computer Center    PANET:     8-654-2033
Slippery Rock, PA  16057-1326  USA   "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
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