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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: discrimination and fascism in Estonia
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:42:01 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1993Jan10.104124.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> In article <1inqtlINN7r8@morrow.stanford.edu>, mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan9.225123.26882@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> Where, where have I said this?
>> |> 
>> |> Just for the record, I don't subscribe to the opinion which the
>> |> great liar Sergei Viznyuk tries to put in my mouth. And anyone
>> |> who have read postings where I have criticized Estonian legislation
>> |> knows this. Even Viznuyk, unless he is a complete illiterate idiot.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, without doubt, he is!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mihai
> 
> I do not agree. I think he is a war monger instead - he understands our postings
> but does not care about any arguments put before him (which is clever:
> accepting the argumentation might be fatal for his war propaganda). And, being 
> a Soviet army official (as he once said in his postings) it might be even
> profitable to him.

  Actually I'm not a Soviet Army, but KGB, and not even official
but generalisimus. Hope it makes you happier, cretin.

Serega,
KGB generalisimus

> 
> 
> - Tapani Hietaniemi
>   a conscientious objector from Helsinki, Finland
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Subject: Re: Speaking with Vladimir Re: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:03:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.215031.19130@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu  
(Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
|>  
     [  The article by Mikhail S. Verbitsky is deleted. I am not
        going to continue the flamewar ]
|> 
|> 


Does anybody have the lyric of Yury Shevchuk's (DDT) song "Tusovshchik"?

Please post. I would really appreciate that.

Thank you in advance.

Alexei


--
Wisdom has taught us to be calm and meek,
To take one blow, and turn the other cheek;
It is not written what a man shall do
If the rude caitiff smite the other too!
Non-Resistance OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES 1809894

Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11995 soc.culture.europe:11127 talk.politics.soviet:10356
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Re-establishment and legality (Was: Discrimination)
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:52:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan10.105456.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>
>
>You prefer the rule of the mightiest: MIGHT <=> RIGHT.

I prefer to face facts. You reminds me one of my friend who once borrowed
my bike for five minutes trip and returned in 2 hours carrieng wrecked bike.
First his word were: "I had right of the way. It was truck's fault".

Yury M.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11931 soc.culture.europe:11075 talk.politics.soviet:10304
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:13:24 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1993Jan8.153654.8861@cs.chalmers.se>, tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet) writes:
> In article <15365.2b4c24b7@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> .... Stuff deleted ...
>>Let me remind our wonderful Finnish kids that in democratic
>>countries, there is no such notion as "official language".
>>(US is one example).
> 
> Unfortunately you are wrong even when speaking about USA, where you live.
> For example, there IS a requirement of mastering English as
> a precondition for naturalization in US (as you may not know,
> naturalization concerns people who are not born as citizens of
> USA but wish to become citizens). Etc. 

Well, I wonder whether you could be right any single time ?
In US there is no such notion as "official language".
The fact that majority of population in US happen
to speak English, doesn't make it mandatory.
The discrimination on the basis of language is strictly
prohibited, while in "democratic" Estonia it's everyday's practice.

> 
>>Apparently only those who have serious doubts about
>>true value of their culture and language, who are trying
>>to "preserve" or "defend" them against alien influence.
>>Certainly English culture as any great culture doesn't
>>need to defend itself.
> 
> Completely agreed. You define greateness as size. All
> physically small cultures have to defend themselves.
> Even relatively large cultures like French are concerned.

 So you agreed that Estonians, in fact, have
doubts about true value of their "culture", once
they are so vigorously trying to "defend" it against
(as they might think) superior and therefore dangerous
Russian culture. Indeed, one could understand poor
Estonians, who hardly ever had their own culture, being
miserable supplements to Germanic, or Swedish
cultural traditions. Nationalism is just a natural
consequence of well-established inferiority complex.

Serega
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:30:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C0GCI7.7Er@fiu.edu> kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny Kilman) writes:
>In article <1ifh8hINNnmh@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>>Gospoda lejtenanty, vam ne kazhetsja chto u etogo parnja mania velichija?
>>Vsego-to mladshij serzhant, a oret kak praporschik.

>>Yury M.

>Mi takih leitenantov v armii ebali polenim v jopu!!!!!

  Chustvuetsja - Starshina!!! Pochti unter.

>Poka vciakie umniki priatalic' op voennim kafedram, chesnie jidi gorbili
>v ebannoi sovetskoi armii.

  Ne hotite li Vy skazat', chto ostalnye jidy nechestnye? Polno-te Vam.
  Vsego 2 chestnyh jida vo vsei seti? Ostalnye-to - 'priatalis''.

> Kogda mne v chast' popadali etakie leitenanti, 

  K vam v chast'? Vy zh vsego-to starshina. Chastju-to obychno
  po men'shei mere polkovniki komandujut. Mozhet eto bylo v '41?

>to ia prigalashal vseh churok srat' v ih sapogi i ssat' v pilotki, chto
>oni i delli s bol'shim entuziazmom.
 
 A pozvolte uznat' - sami, konechno ne uchastvovali? Naus'kivali
 slaborazvityh i - v storonku. A esche navernoe komsomol'tsem
 byli, ato mozhet i v Partiju podavali zajavochku? Chestnyi Vy 
 nash. Kakaja-to ona u vas strannaja - chest'. V bylye gody takih
 "chestnyh" streljali na dueljah.

>Starshina.

 Da uzh, zametno. Prichem gody - ne pomeha. Starshinskuju
 kostochku ne meljut. I obrazovaniem ee ne vozmesh. Neistrebimaja
 vesch.


 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.soviet, discussions, etc.
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 06:53:11 GMT

In article <C0pn8p.8s8@cs.columbia.edu> igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>In article <C0o1nH.EEp@max.physics.sunysb.edu>, LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg) writes:
>> In <1993Jan10.061725.1770@math.ucla.edu> aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu writes:
>> 
>> > Vspominaetsya kommentarij Bitova k ego zhe romanu ``Pushkinskij dom'',
>> > a imenno k fraze ``...rugal poslednimi slovami Sof'yu Vlas'evnu...'':
>> > 	``V pis'me k drugu na vopros, kak on zhivet,
>> > 	  Pushkin otvechal, chto de zhivet-to on nichego, da vot
>> > 	  tol'ko Zhozefina Pavlovna myerznet. V kommentarii k hetomu
>> > 	  pis'mu skazano: ``Zh.P. - neizvestnaja znakomaja Pushkina''
>> > [all quotations are given from memory, sorry for possible mistakes]
>> 
>> Even though you  admitted that the  quotations might be  wrong, this one is
>> TOO wrong. In his  ``Kommentarij k  obstcheizvestnomy''  Andrej Bitov cited
>> the letter  written not  by Pushkin  but by Anton  Chehov.  The text of the
>> citation is, however, close to the original.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Greg
>
>Reminds me of a joke:
>--Is it true that Rubinovich won a "Volga" in last lottery drawing?
>--Not Rubinovich, but Ivanov. Not "Volga", but 5 rubles. Not in a lottery,
>but in poker, and not won, but lost.
>
>--Igor P.

brek, brek... sluchayutsya provaly v pamyati. Edinstvenno, chto mogu
skazat' v opravdanie, chto dejstvitel'no chital Bitova ochen' davno...

Chto do anekdotov, to vspominaetsya drugoj, kotoryj horosho illustriruet
problemy ogranichennosti operativnoj pamyati komp'yutera:

	Komissiya v detskom sadu beseduet s detishkami:
	-Kak tebya zovut?
	-Vitya.
	-A kem ty hochesh' byt'?
	-Kosmonavtom.

	-Kak tebya zovut?
	-Gena.
	-A kem ty hochesh' byt'?
	-Moryakom.
	 ...
	[okolo steny stoit mal'chik, kovyryaet v nosu, i vytiraet palets
	 o stenu]
	-Kak tebya zovut?
	-Mi-i-isha.
	-A kem ty hochesh' byt'?
	-Ne zna-a-ayu...

	Posle besedy vospitateli poluchayut raznos, i predprinimayut mery.

	Opyat' komissiya...
	...
	[okolo steny stoit mal'chik, kovyryaet v nosu, i vytiraet palets
	 o stenu]
	-Nu, reshil, kem ty hochesh' stat'?
	-Kosmona-a-avtom.
	-Molodets! Kak tebya zovut?
	-Ne zna-a-ayu...
====================================
Po neiz`yasnimoj analogii vspominaetsya, chto zimoj 1984 goda, kogda
narod lihoradochno pytalsya prodolzhit' ryad ``...Leonid Letopisets-
Yurij Dolgorukij - ?'', hodila takaya shutka: ``Ran'she 4-e Glavnoe 
Upravlenie Minzdrava zanimalos' problemami iskusstvennoj pochki,
teper' - problemami iskusstvennogo intellekta''.

Kstati, po povodu ryada: bylo li pridumano chto-to luchshee, chem
``Konstantin Nezhilets''?
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: USA source for videos of Russian movies?
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:12:47 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <93012.095011ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Does anyone know of a good American mail-order source for videos of Russian
>movies? English sub-titles would be nice, but not necessary.  The standard
>video catalog available in most video stores only has about a dozen titles.
>I know the Kamkin bookstore has another handful of titles.  Does anyone
>know of a good source, both of the "classics" (such as War and Peace--not the
>short dubbed version) and the more recent films?
>
>Bruce Long
>Arizona State University  icbal@asuvm.inre.asu.edu


Go to Brighton Beach, my dear. There are some video stores
selling/renting/sending sovok movies. I watched 3 to 5 recent
soviet/russian movies. They were terrible. They (directors) certainly had
a desire to produce a movie like in America, but they didn't have
technology nor guts to do it. And it's questionable whether
American movie-making ways are best to follow.

They also have some old movies and cartoons.

I can remember `Sverdlov Video' off the top of my head.
Yes, he's a grandson of the famous revolutionary.
For address take a look into Brooklyn YP or Novoye Russkoye Slovo.


Vadim Maslov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:17:14 GMT

In article <1ikic8$5ju@agate.berkeley.edu>, muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky) 
writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.160713.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi 
writes:
>>also against discrimination. You should at least give some evidence about
>>alleged "discrimination" done by the Estonian government before
>>accusing them of anything.
> 
> You must be kidding. I do not have dictionary at hand, but I do not think
> I'll be much off target if I say that discriminate makes "make a difference",
> "have a differente attitude". I can see the difference between getting
> sitezenship automaticly and applying for it. Can you?


Discrimination does not mean "make a difference". You have the burden of
proof.

I suppose you mean "citizenship" when you speak about "sitezenship".

Of course there is a difference. No one in Estonia "gets" a citizenship
automatically. There are only citizens of the Estonian republic
(mostly Estonian and Russian speakers) and non-citizens, a great number of
which fills the conditions for naturalization. But still, it seems that
a great part of them will prefer some CIS state citizenship (which they
do not still have, but are not because of this state of affairs
being "disenfranchised" or "deprived of citizenship" by the CIS states
like Russia). No discrimination. The citizens are equal (as in the
CIS states). And the rights of non-citizens are best guaranteed in
Estonia. Correct me, if you happen to know any other Baltic or
CIS state legislation that would have taken account is such a detailed
manner the fundamental rights of non-citizens!

I can't help repeating this single argumentation. But if the basic
facts on Estonian and CIS states legislation are being forgotten,
somebody should point them out - once again.

thinks
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: couple of jokes
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan2.231321.4471@beaver.cs.washington.edu> gmfich@cs.washington.edu (Greg Fichtenholtz) writes:
>Hey everybody!
>Happy New Year's !!!!
>
>BTW, where did all jokes go?
Idet Vasilli Ivanovich po Ierusalimy
na Novii God, navctrechy Pet'ka:

- Shana Tova, V.I. !
- Voistiny Tova ...

Sorry for not translating,
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: chech@kaija.spb.su (Igor E. Chechik)
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Organization: KAIJA-SOFT LTD., St. Petersburg, Russia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:20:10 GMT

In <93007.013227DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Dimitri Vulis (DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET) writes:
: Netu u was, gospoda, togo chuvstva russkogo yazyka, kotorue estx
Klass. I gde takomu uchat ? Tut kak-to ves' mat bitovoy -
u vas gorazdo luchshe poluchaetsa ! Vsegda v p'anom vide
teper' budu chitat' S.C.S. Spasibo. Izumitelnaja discussija !
Gorazdo luchshe ostavshihsa zdes jumoristov ! Vam za eto nado
den'gi platit' (pravra rubli) :-) :-)

PS: otvechat smisla net - v trezvom vide takoe chitat' nevozmozno,
tak chto otkliki opozdajut primerno na mesac.

S uvazheniem,
--
Igor Chechik            (7 812)2982409            <chech@kaija.spb.su>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Subject: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:28:27 GMT


I have just returned from Guatemala where I spent the Christmas break,
so I probably missed some interesting postings in this newsgroup.
Before I left, there was a discussion about some Russian rock bands.
I would like to contribute.

I like Aquarium and my favorite B.G. album is Ichthyology. But on the other  
hand, most of his songs are just silly imitations of some western bands. 
Listen to Jethro Tull. Didn't Bob steal anything from them. 
Most people agree that Equinox (Ravnodenstvie) was unsuccessful, but 
many of them say that one of the songs of the album, Generation of 
Yardkeepers (Pokolenie Dvornikov) is one of the best.
I agree that the lyric is good, but listen to that song again and 
than compare it to Hyacinth House by The Doors. There are the same melody. 


I would like to know what other people think about that. Please
post your opinions.

 
--

When I tell any Truth it is not for the sake of convincing those
who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those who do.
         
	                           WILLIAM BLAKE Public Address
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: rzm@ipx1.mat.torun.edu.pl (Rafal Maszkowski)
Subject: how to decode News from kiae.su
Organization: Nicolaus Copernicus University, Torun
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:08:08 GMT

I subscribed to Usenet News mail service - newsserv@kiae.su. I am getting
something like this:

From: L-relcom@newcom.kiae.su
Subject: Batch of Usenet articles
X-Class: Slow
X-Batch: compress

start stdin
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Which program should I use to convert it to text?
Please answer by mail.
Thanks.

R.

-- 
Rafal Maszkowski, rzm@oso.chalmers.se, rzm@mat.torun.edu.pl, rzm@pltumk11
           NCU BBS (+48 56 14252, N81, MNP5, 2400) Sysop
    Rafal.Maszkowski%p23.f1.n481.z2.fidonet.org%ncubbs@cc.ncu.edu.pl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:45:41 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <103888@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:

(Concerning recent ``krik dushi'' by Yevgeni Kilman)

>  A pozvolte uznat' - sami, konechno ne uchastvovali? Naus'kivali
>  slaborazvityh i - v storonku. A esche navernoe komsomol'tsem
>  byli, ato mozhet i v Partiju podavali zajavochku? Chestnyi Vy 
>  nash. Kakaja-to ona u vas strannaja - chest'. V bylye gody takih
>  "chestnyh" streljali na dueljah.

Buduchi soglasen s ostal'nimi  mislyami, viskazannimi v dannoj "stat'e", ya
pozvolyu sebe  zametit', chto v  traditsii russkogo  ofitserstva ne vhodilo
drat'sya na duele s unterami  ("starshinami"). Ih obichno posilali chistit'
ofitserskie sapogi ili nakazivali  plet'mi. Predlagayu zadumat'sya, gospoda
ofitseri...

>  S.B.

Greg
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11940 soc.culture.europe:11078 talk.politics.soviet:10307
From: tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:08:24 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS, Chalmers, Sweden

In article <1993Jan7.113100.28196@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.083616.15949@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>>Matthew Huntbach (mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
>>So you compare the asians of London with the russians of Estonia?
>
>Well, if I were to advocate treating Asians in the UK in the
>same way that Russians in Estonia are being treated, I would be
>accused of being a racist and fascist.

Obviously you have very little information about the "treatment"
of Russians in Estonia. 

The discussion here has recently  been about the idea to
introduce total official bilingualism with Russian
as one of the languages on Estonia. I have tried to show that
this idea is completely unrealistic, and, IMHO, harmful. Others
have tried to show the good points of this hypothetical
development. 

Reading comes before writing. Get more data before complaints.
Yours were just illiterate :-(

>As I said, in those parts of London where there are substantial
>numbers of people of Asian origin, all council documentation is
>put out in several different Asian languages.

In some cities of Estonia ALMOST ALL documentation is still being
put out SOLELEY in Russian. Now the question we are discussing
here is whether some  of this documentation should be also
put out in Estonian.

>Oh, I see, I must keep my mouth shut because of what a few
>toffs did centuries ago. Well, whatever next "your grandfather
>robbed a bank, but as he's dead we'll imprison you instead"?
>The fact is that we must start from the here and now. There is
>no such things as inherited guilt. What was done in the past
>was done - if the people who did it are still alive, by all
>means punish them for it, but do not punish their children, or
>derive them of their rights for it, including the right to live in
>the land where they were born, or the right to speak and use their
>mother tongue.

Sure. That is the point - in Estonia no one is trying to punish
Russians, deprive them of something, least the right to
live in the land they were born or the right to speak and
use their mother tongue. How come you have such aggressive ideas?
The discussion here has been about the question how to integrate
Russian and Estonian communities, which are pretty separate.

The great wars of WWII have been largely caused by
desinformation and people following media like a flock
of sheep.

Regards,
	Tanel Tammet
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Ones again about "Sov.Emigre.Rest.Jokes"
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:40:47 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

Ty, Vizniuk, voobshche molchi.  Ot tebia umnogo slova ne dozhdeshsia,
a kak shishki, tak na nas oboikh.

Michael Martynov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Translation of A&E's "Pole to Pole" Novgorod scene?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 06:38:18 UTC

At the risk of being boorish, has anyone a translated transcript
of the dialogue between Michael Palin and the residents of
Novgorod from tonight's installment of "Pole to Pole" on A&E?
In particular, the dinner scene with the various toasts.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us> | "When DEC hits bottom, they're going
N6QQQ @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM     | to make an awful big splat."
+1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'   | 
PGP 2.1 public key on request        | 	  -- David Hawkins
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:00:27 EST
From: <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
 <93007.094409BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> <C0HquC.2AH@fiu.edu>

In article <C0HquC.2AH@fiu.edu>, kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny Kilman) says:
>
>Ne ponimaesh ti Boris vskormlenih v Rossi dush! ( sig! Ia ne skazal Russkih
>dush...). Vot poidu ia seichs na ulicu i kriknu "&^%$#%$!!!!!" I vedi ni kto
>ne poimet! A polojim, skaju ia cto ti, Boris "*%$#^&$!!!" na ves' net, tak
>gladish kto i otvetit. Vot vsem i legche na dushe stalo.
>
>Y.K.
>

It is a very interesting and significant article. What does its author
point out as a common feature of the 'vskormlennykh v Rossiyi dush'? A
strong urge to say a couple af four-letter words to a perfect stranger
(and 'nachistit' mordu' or even better '&&&& polenom v &&&&&', eh?).

One can see this group as a very educative experiment - what can say a
Soviet man without policeman and censor. And what do we see? Remember
Vysotskiy's :

     Neveroyatno,- v Yeyske -
     Pochti po-yevropeyski:
     Svoboda slova, yesli eto mat.


And I speak not only about offensive words and phrases, but about the
general air of disrespect to everybody, when a discussion about the name
of Tolstoy's novel quickly leads to insults from both sides, when it is
possible to say 'ty, &&&&&&&' to a stranger, and everything reminds one
a drunkards' party in Tsarevokokshaysk.

It is even more interesting becouse participants of this group are
carefully chosen: they are either emigrees with a good job or people
working here by contract. In both cases they are smarter and more
educated than the average level.

It really proves that the soc.culture.soviet exists - not a newsgroup,
but a socio-cultural phenomenon. We must try hard to part with it.

-Boris
(for Mr.Kilman - Dr. Boris A. Veytsman)
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:13:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <93008.100028BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>It really proves that the soc.culture.soviet exists - not a newsgroup,
>but a socio-cultural phenomenon. We must try hard to part with it.

What makes you think so? I myself prefere what you would call "soviet" and
other may call "italian" or "french" style of discussion to "american" one.
It's more fun with about same result. Actually maybe with more result, as
I do not think that "You think so? Than it's right, calm down calm down"
style is very effective exept with asylum escapees. Anyway, the fact that you
are reading this...

Yury M.