HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mard@quads.uchicago.edu (Adrian N. Marden)
Subject: Statistics
Reply-To: mard@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:29:49 GMT

I've noticed the discussion about the Total Baseball CD-ROM data disk that is
available, but after pricing some CD drives and remembering that I am a 
poverty-stricken college student, I have decided against it. Are there any
ftp sites with raw data of this magnitude available? E-mailed responses would
be appreciated.


-- 
*	Adrian "Nick" Marden  	    *	"The A's have Dennis Eckersley-	      *
*	mard@quads.uchicago.edu     *	he doesn't blow anyone!"	      *
*	home:(312)-684-1913	    *			-Steve Stone	      *
*	work(?):(312)-702-7269	    *					      *
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: So where have all the Mets fans gone?
Keywords: quiet while losing
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:49:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.033950.11652@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> epstein@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>Since when is 30 considered old and an age when players are more
>liable to get injured?

If it isn't, it should be.  Aging is a gradual process.  A 23 year old
player is probably less likely to be injured than a 27 year old
player.  A 30 year old player is more likely to suffer an injury than
either, and so forth...

Or do you view life in black and white?  Is a player either "healthy"
or "injury prone"?  Are there no shades of gray in between?

>>Which is why paying big bucks for 35 year old players is a bad idea.
>>Of course if they remain healthy (like Winfield), they can be
>>bargains.  But serious injuries are more common.
>
>Similarly, how many 35 year olds did the Mets pay big bucks for?
>Murray?  He's not even one of the ones that has been injured.

I was actually referring to the Red Sox here.  They made serious
mistakes with Darwin and Clark, a lesser mistake with Reardon, and
they are about to pay Boggs more than he is worth.  But the Mets built
a team of HoJo (31), Murray (36), Magadan (29), Coleman (30 with a
history of injuries), Bass (33), Bonilla (29), Randolph (37), etc...
Not to mention the questionable injury histories of Gooden, Fernandez,
and Saberhagen.  This is an *old* team.  Maybe the injuries have all
been flukes.  Or maybe older players are more prone to fluke injuries?

The fact that Murray hasn't been injured proves nothing.  It is
obvious that older players suffer injuries at a significantly higher
rate than younger players.  Pitchers with a long history of DL time
are more likely to suffer in the future.  The Mets built a team
designed for the DL.

-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Managing in the AL
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.202005.15065@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = Jim McMaster writes:
>
>>Regardless of whether the DH makes AL managing "easier" or not, I like
>>the rule, because it leads to more offense.  There is not a guaranteed
>>out in the number nine spot.
>
>This whole statement is incorrect.

Huh?  The DH doesn't lead to more offense?  I'm sorry, Steve, but you
simply aren't living in this world!

>I know I've heard that the average
>DH batting average is ~.250.  Could one of the Stat Heads help me out?

This year, the average DH is hitting .256/.333/.399.  Of course this
average is over a small sample set...

>If you think the 9th spot is an "automatic out", you haven't seen Doc
>Gooden, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine or Swift of SF at bat (among others).  

Gooden is an extraordinarily good hitter for a pitcher.  His career
batting average through 1990 was .183 (with decent power, actually,
for a limp-bat shortstop).  Maddux?  A career .182 hitter with less
power.  Glavine's average is .146, still not bad for a pitcher.  Swift
wasn't in the NL until this year.

The best hitting pitchers hit almost .200, with occasional power.
They still don't walk much.  The *average* DH hits .256 with
better-than-average walks and power.

>These guys can hit and bunt.

Not very well, they can't.  Some of them are capable bunters.  VERY
VERY FEW pitchers hit over .200 for their careers.  Don Robinson is an
exception.  He hit .232 through 1990!  (How many position players can
you think of who have hit that low over a significant length career?
And how many of those walked as infrequently as your average pitcher?)

>Pitchers hitting, IMO, adds strategy not 
>present when some (usually) aging one-dimensional player is the 10th man 
>in the lineup.

If you say so.  But the DH *does* increase offense, and I don't
understand how you can deny it.

-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,ba.sports
From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: More on the possible sale of the Giants
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:55:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.190746.7360@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
>I just heard on the radio that George Shinn, the owner of
>the Charlotte Hornets who has been haralded as the white
>knight who'll keep the Giants in SF, is in no financial position
>to purchase the team.  Apparently his endebted to another
>professional sports league and is heavily leveraged on his
>Hornets ownership, thus he may not be able to come up with
>his part of the cash for the Giants bid, some $30+ million.
>
>-- 
>+========================================================================+
>| Rick Casares					Silicon Graphics	 |	
>| cubfan@wrigley.corp.sgi.com			2011 N. Shoreline Blvd   |
>| "Just wait till next year."                 	Mountain View, CA 94039  |
>+========================================================================+


George Shinn has a reputation that is not good among MLB owners.
His financial situation with the Hornets is not good, and if I
recall, he was a BIG loser in the World Football League.

Those two, plus as you mentioned, not available cash, does not
go well with the other owners.


DonO

--
Don Oxley     |Internet: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com|"It is better to keep your mouth
AT&T Paradyne |UUCP:     uunet!pdn!oxley       | shut and appear stupid, than to
Largo, FL     |--------------------------------| open it and leave no doubt."
(813)530-8282 |  Opinions are mine, not AT&T   |               -Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:29:23 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

bacarlso@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brad Carlson) writes:

>Any bozo who thinks that Tom Glavine is more deserving of the NL Cy Young
>award than Greg Maddux must be smoking crack.  Maddux has an ERA of about 
>2.10 after tonight's complete game shutout of the Dodgers, which is much
>lower than Glavine's.  Additionally, Maddux has more strikeouts, complete
>games, innings pitched, and has given up fewer hits.  And all of this has
>been accomplished in a hitter's ballpark.  With the run support of a team
>such as the Padres or Twins, Maddux could be 26-0, considering that in his
>10 losses, the Cubs have scored only three runs total for him.  Morgan and 
>Maddux together form the best 1-2 punch of any team in baseball. 
 
>Incidentally, the Cubs have won 11 of their last 14 and IMHO will overtake
>the Expos and Pirates for the NL East crown before season's end.
                               *************

YES, I've been saying the same thing myself for a month!!
The Cubs win the 1993 World Series!!!
From: cheese@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Charles Alpert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Can the Phillies Contend in 1993?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:51:03 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

Okay, so they are currently the worst team in baseball; however,
I think they have a solid core for a championship team.
They have Kruk (2nd in RC for 1B), Daulton, who is having the
best season of any catcher since - well for a very long time,
Dykstra, who needs to be healthy, and Dave Hollins, who is only
25.  Throw in pretty decent players Morandini, Chamberlain, and
Duncan, and you have a hell of an offense (tops in runs scored).

Of course, they have glaring holes at SS and RF.  Ruben (Tune in)
Amaro has received an obscene number of at bats, and Juan Bell had
better not be starting next season.

They also have two very high quality starting pitchers in Mulholland
and Schilling, and Tommy Greene will be back next year.  The problem
is not with the Phillies core talent - it's with the supporting cast
which has been absolutely horrendous.  Anyone know how many games
Barry Jones lost by himself before he was released?  Wild Thing is 
having a pretty bad year but I'll think he'll bounce back.

Having a core of talent with a poor supporting cast is much better
than having no core at all.  Remember a few years ago when their best
player was Von Purple Haze.  No team has ever won anything with Von
(or your local equivalent) as its best player.

So here's what they do - make the free agent push, sign Bonds and
Maddux.  Instead of having the leagues worst RF, they have the best
(assuming Bonds in right, Chamberlain in left).  Maddux would give 
them a solid 4-man rotation (this year they had a solid 2-man 
rotation), and somehow make trades to shore up the bullpen.  Also,
if they can afford it, sign Ozzie.  

They should be able to afford it - Philly's the 4th largest market,
probably the largest with only one franchise, and I know they have
a large TV contract and their payroll can't be that high (maybe they
can dump Dale Murphy somewhere, like in the Delaware).



Chuck Alpert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:42:32 GMT

In article <92247.153622ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.205151.28256@infonode.ingr.com>, campbell@mikec.ingr.com
>(Mike Campbell) says:
>>If the pitcher was batting instead of a pinch-hitter, then the pitcher
>>is just the first batter up in the next inning.  However, the
>>pinch-hitter was batting. Who do you put in to pitch since the pitcher
>>has been pulled? Does the pinch-hitter get to continue his at-bat the
>>next inning? Does the pinch-hitter get an official at-bat? Not usually
>>since he never finished his at-bat.
>>
>
>     Unless the manager wants his slugger to take the mound (possible but
>doubtful) he needs to put a real pitcher in place of the pinch hitter, who
>can no longer play in the game.  He doesn't get an at-bat or a plate
>appearance, but he has played in the game and been removed, so can't come
>back.  Next inning the manager has the option of leaving his new pitcher
>in to bat or putting in a different pinch hitter...

Another option, that allows you to leave the pinch hitter in the game, is
to do a double-switch.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: paul@moore.com (Paul Maclauchlan)
Subject: Re: little league world series
Organization: Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto ON, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 12:11:10 GMT

Ross Smith (smith@bert.eecs.uic.edu) wrote:
: The Phillipines won the little league world series (a true world series).

Except the usa always gets a team to the finals since one side of the
tourney is all the non-us teams, and the other side is us-only.

Why are they afraid to mix it up and have a Phillipine / Dominican final?  

-- 
.../Paul Maclauchlan
Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
paul@moore.com   -or-  {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
"Give me the beat, boys, and free my soul,
 I want to get lost in your rock-n-roll and drift away..."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: What is slugging percentage?
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:34:21 GMT

> = Gilford T. Hapayengwi writes:

>What is the highest season slugging percentage which has ever been
>recorded and by whom?  Feel free to give more than one if you have the
>stats. 

I have no stats, but I read somewhere that it was Babe Ruth; I believe
the OPB stated was above .800!



-- 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
steven@advtech.USWest.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Oakland and Texas... I scratch my head....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:24:42 GMT
Organization: Boo!  

In <55955@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:


>Russell consistent? He led the AL in blown saves, and has a history of 
>injury problems. He was Texas' best reliever, but he wasn't that great.
>********************************************************************************

True, but it should be pointed out that the Rangers repeatedly brought
Russell into save situations where the save was almost impossible
to get (bases loaded, no out, up by one).  Last time I looked, Russell
had the most tough save opportunities in the majors among closers while
Eckersley had the least.

Greg 





-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
158-17 Riverside Dr.                     Ned Martin, 10/22/75   
Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:27:02 GMT

In article <Graham_Sloan.07ri@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Graham_Sloan@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Graham Sloan) writes:
>I completely agree with you. One need only look at the numbers.

NUMBERS-SCHMUMBERS

The reason Maddux has such a low era and low opp. batt avg is cause he pitches
in the NL Least. If Glavine had that kind of opposition (remember, the pirates
least leaders, would be lucky to be second in the west, and would be fourth
potentially) he'd have Madduxe's numbers.

Good pitchers find a way to win. Last season, the braves went thru a string
of giving Glavine less than 2 runs support (i think it was 5 starts in a row)
but he still got the CY AND led the braves to the NL title.

My vote goes to glavine.

flame on.....

-rob
From: cc007001@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Home Run Rule: Lind's Hit in Dodger-Pirate Game
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:36:02 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <BtM0yD.13K@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins) writes:
> cc007001@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>But then wouldn't a ball that hits the fence and bounces over the wall
>>untouched also be a bounding ball and not a fly ball and thus a ground
>>rule double?
> 
>    Yes, I believe so.  I haven't ever seen such a thing.  I think that
> if a ball lands on TOP of the wall and then goes out, you could say
> that it left the playing field in flight, and so would be a home run.
> It's hard to imagine a ball hitting the side of the fence in flight and
> then going over, though.
> 

How about a ball that hits the top of the fence padding where the padding
does not actually reach the top of the fence.  (This is the situation at
Dodger stadium as I recall from seeing the replays of Lind's hit.

Doug
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: California quiz
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:24:50 GMT

Looking through Ernie Whitt's autobiography the other day (trying to
find out which umpires he offended, and whether any of them have been
working Jays games lately), I noticed a bit of trivia I had forgotten.
I don't think it got the attention it deserved.

Question: which of the players traded by Toronto to California last
month has a bat in Cooperstown, and why?

Answer later this week.

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tim Belcher's Removal
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:11:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <31AUG199216400706@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>,
hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:

>I'm not a Reds fan, but I'm really curious as to why Lou Piniella pulled
>Tim Belcher out of last night's Reds-Mets game.  Belcher had retired
>something like 22 straight Mets, and yet Rob Dibble came out to pitch
>the ninth.  The fact that Dibble gave up a three-run homer to Bobby Bo
>to cost the Reds the game makes this question that much more interesting...
>
>I presume that one of these three things occurred:
>1) Belcher told Piniella he had nothing left
>2) Belcher was hurt in some way
>3) Piniella suffered some kind of brain spasm

Belcher had made ~125 pitches through eight. Oddly, Bonilla said he had no
idea that going into that at-bat, he was 0-for-8 lifetime against Dibble.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Aloysius McVeigh |"New Yorkers...see their city as being made up of...
jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  | several million different ideas and forces, problems
      **********        | and losses, horrors and triumphs, each one of which
      "N.I.N.A."        | must be subject to scrutiny..."        - Roger Angell                          to a separate conclusion."             - Roger Angell
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:24:33 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <8#k-MW_@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>AMERICAN LEAGUE MVP....

>Fielder.....to make up for the last two years!
>still leading in RBI's
>up there in homers
>Not the same year as the last two, but dammit...he should be rewarded!

Well, we can keep having this argument, but Fielder didn't deserve
the MVP last year nor the year before, and doesn't deserve it
this year either.  It's the "most valuable player" award, not
the "who gets to bat with the most men on base" award.


-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Leary to Mariners, not the Flubs, er Cubs
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:37:24 GMT

> = (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:

>Well, my prediction did not take place. I had thought that the Cubs might 
>trade for Tim "Makes the outfielders and umpires weary" Leary to make up for
>the vast hole in their starting staff when Jackson was traded to the Pirates. 

Vast hole?  They have the best staff in the league.  Except for his
last two games with the Cubs, Jackson was a year and a half-long bust.

Now, _hitting_ - that's their vast wasteland, or they'd be in 1st
place.

*Sigh*.                                     

>Even so, I think it would have been great if Leary would have joined the Cubs 
>since he would give Harry Caray a great deal of practice in saying "It could 
>be! It could be! It is! A home run!"

"Steve, do you know that 'Leary' pronounced backwards is 'e-rail'?"

-- 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
steven@advtech.USWest.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:02:57 GMT
From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Which team you support? Let me know thru EMAIL
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:41:49 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

After reading many a reply and postings in this newsgroup, I've come to the
conclusion that the Red Sox fans outweigh any other team in the popularity
department.

Any arguments? This is based on my opinion, but if we all want to make a case
out of it, let's send those team support mails to me and I'll compile to see
how many fans are for which team. How about that?


-- 
Daniel Mcvay	11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu	11dmcvay@gallux.gallaudet.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Concrete Shoes,Cyanide,TNT,Done Dirt Cheap,Neckties,Contracts,HIGH Voltage
From: gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian Landmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Brave fans
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:19:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I'm getting really tired of poor Braves's fans.
I went to the Braves/Expos game last night and to my disbelief the
fans were booing Tom Glavine.  I know every city has some poor
fans but how can you boo a guy who has already won 19 games?



-- 

Brian Landmann        
Georgia Institute of Technology                   Why are we here,  
Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu                 because we're here.
From: link@gammow.berkeley.edu (Brian D. Link)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Red Sox schedule
Summary: at home this weekend?
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:57:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu

I just found out that I will be in Boston Sunday and Monday. Could some
kind soul please e-mail me as to whether the Red Sox will be at Fenway
those days (Aug. 30 & 31) and if so, what the times are?

-------------------------------------------
Brian Link
link@cnmat.berkeley.edu
Center for New Music and Audio Technologies
&
DSP Design Group
-------------------------------------------
From: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young Update
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:41:10 GMT
Reply-To: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

>>  Of course pitchers are eligible for Golden Gloves, too. 
>
>Technically, they're not eligible.  The Golden Gloves award is issued to
>amateur boxers, not professional baseball players.
>
Can't professional baseball players be amateur boxers too?
                                                                 
                                                                    
 
                                                  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Dodgers, Phillies vie for premiere exit.  Philly out by tomorrow?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:09:22 GMT

Due to lackluster play by those at the top of the NL west, the Los Angeles
Dodgers have left the door open for Philadelphia to clinch this year's
coveted "Early Departure" award.

Philadelphia can secure elimination tonight if they lose while all other NL East
teams win.  In fact, NY need not win to eliminate the Phillies, who have managed
to catch LA for the league's worst record.

Los Angeles can clinch front row seats to the NLCS if San Diego, Cincinnati, and
Atlanta all win tonight and tomorrow while the Dodgers lose either of their next
two games.

No team in the AL can be eliminated before Sunday (not even close).

Note: specifics of calculation are available by EMail.  Note that a team can be
   eliminated without having reached the "Magic Number."

RStimets