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From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: Re: What good is a non-deductible IRA?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:56:54 GMT

In article <1hddvvINNa87@tamsun.tamu.edu> tpradeep@cs.tamu.edu (Pradeep K Tapadiya) writes:
>Howdy netters,
>
>To my understanding, if one cannot deduct an IRA, the only tax advantage
>of having an IRA is that the gains could be tax-deferred.
>
>But many growth funds offer a plan to automatically reinvest the capital
>gains. As long as I don't receive any cash in hand, I don't pay any taxes.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Thus my earnings are tax-deferred without even having an IRA.


unfortunately, that is false. if the gains are realized by the fund,
they are passed on to you as taxable income and so reported to the irs
for taxation.

what you may mean is something that some subtle people have seen for
many years. buy stocks which don't pay dividends, and don't sell
them. that way the capital gains are not realized, and hence not
taxed. also you don't pay taxes on the dividends which were not paid.

if a company continues to reinvest, not showing dividends (and if it
is careful, even not showing profits so it doesn't have to pay
corporate taxes either) it functions like a tax-free capital
appreciation device. the trick is to find such companies which do such
appreciation and minimize corporate taxes through reinvestment.

example: intel for one.
-- 
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From: rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Randy Smith)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:19:01 GMT


>Does this mean that Novell is stacking up Unix against Windows NT?

>  It may not be such a bad move to get Unix more into the mainstream.  Novell
>has more experience and greater success in moving application and os software
>than AT&T / USL.

Let's look at Windows NT.  Microsoft has said that NT is for high-end PCs and
RISC-based machines, it has integrated networking support, *real* multitasking,
and [my opinion] will be too expensive for the "common" end-user PC.  So NT is
clearly going after the PC server market where Novell has something like
70-80% of the market.  Getting the rights to the best multitasking OS around
that has had something like 20 years of development and who knows how many
actual manyears of development sounds like a pretty good idea to me.  Also
NetWare 4.0 has been written in C so it's fairly portable.  UNIX systems have
been kinda shunned by the whole PC LAN office environment and this may be
the way to bring it all together.

Good luck to Novell and death to Windows NT!

--Randy--

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From: woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc.
Summary: what's the problem with having many varieties of UNIX?
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:20:32 GMT

In article <BzyHAw.J2y@polstra.uucp> larryba@polstra.uucp (Larry Barello) writes:
> The biggest problem with UNIX is that there are too many varieties.  That
> is plain and simple.  Microsoft has a very compelling argument with 
> windows on all platforms.  If Novell can "purify" unix and force everyone
> to have a compliant interface (and API set) then maybe it has a chance.

Say what?!?!?!?

Please explain why you think having many varieties is a mark against
an operating system, particularly one for which there already exist
both binary and API standards.

Are you saying it doesn't make sense from a techical standpoint, or
from a marketing perspective?  If the latter, then I'll leave you to
your statement, since I'm not about to get into a marketing debate,
and from a marketing perspective, you may very well be right,
considering the amount of propoganda being slung about.  If instead
you mean the former, then I respectfully submit that you don't have a
clue what you're talking about (perhaps the marketing dudes have
filled you with mis-information!).

From a technical perspective, your statement must be the biggest, and
most aggravating myth surrounding the entire discussion of UNIX in the
commercial marketplace!

UNIX is technically quite impressive (in part) *because* there are
many varieties, yet most are source-code compatible, and some are even
binary compatible.  Should I mention that there are even full clones
of UNIX which also maintain binary compatability on some specific
platforms?

If you count "varieties" as being those versions which are primarily
different because they run on different platforms, then I don't think
we have anything to discuss, period.  Unfortunately, many marketing
folks seem to pull this argument out of thin air and put it forth as a
primary reason for avoiding UNIX.  Talk about mis-information!  "Long
live proprietary systems!!!!"
-- 
						Greg A. Woods

woods@robohack.UUCP, woods@Elegant.COM  VE3TCP	UniForum Canada & ECI
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From: larryba@polstra.uucp (Larry Barello)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:13:44 GMT

(Randy Smith) writes:
>
>>Does this mean that Novell is stacking up Unix against Windows NT?
>>
>>  It may not be such a bad move to get Unix more into the mainstream.  Novell
>>has more experience and greater success in moving application and os software
>>than AT&T / USL.
>
>Let's look at Windows NT.  Microsoft has said that NT is for high-end PCs and
>RISC-based machines, it has integrated networking support, *real* multitasking,
>and [my opinion] will be too expensive for the "common" end-user PC.  So NT is
>clearly going after the PC server market where Novell has something like
>70-80% of the market.  Getting the rights to the best multitasking OS around
>that has had something like 20 years of development and who knows how many
>actual manyears of development sounds like a pretty good idea to me.  Also
>NetWare 4.0 has been written in C so it's fairly portable.  UNIX systems have
>been kinda shunned by the whole PC LAN office environment and this may be
>the way to bring it all together.
>
>Good luck to Novell and death to Windows NT!
>
Someone told me that Novel and USL had written a very good implementation
of Netware on Unix but that Novell had pretty much shelved the product
and wasn't pushing it at all.  With the purchase of USL that situation
should change.

However, as I posted earlier, this move by Novell is basically a symptom
of the pressure Microsoft is applying to them.  They are desperate.  It
is my unqualified opinon that this move will destroy Novell just as 
Borland is suffocating from their purchase of AT.

The biggest problem with UNIX is that there are too many varieties.  That
is plain and simple.  Microsoft has a very compelling argument with 
windows on all platforms.  If Novell can "purify" unix and force everyone
to have a compliant interface (and API set) then maybe it has a chance.

Cheers!
-- 
Larry Barello			uunet!polstra!larryba
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From: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Steven M. Kilby)
Subject: Another distribution test....
Originator: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business
Distribution: uc
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:19:37 GMT

Hey all,
    This is another distribution test....  This should not go beyond UC, but
we'll see.


Thanks,
    Steve...
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University of Cincinnati................College of Business Administration
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From: rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us (Russell Rezaian)
Subject: Re: 3B2 console connector
Summary: 3B2 port pinouts
Organization: D.O.C. Data Processing Systems
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:13:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.155744.12154@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> kstox@admips2.naitc.com (Ken Stox) writes:
>Does some kind soul have the pin outs for the RJ45->DB25 console
>connector for a 3B2/310???

A quick note regarding 3B2 serial cables:  These are 8 wire cables with
RJ-45 connectors on each end.  There is a "flip" in the cable, so that the
pin order is reversed from one end to the other.  (Pin1 to Pin8)  This is
DIFFERENT from Starlan1 and Starlan10 (10baseT) cables as well as most
RJ-45 telephone cables.  Be warned!  :-)

For the computer end:
Jack orientation, putting it down "face down" so the locking prong is on
top, and the cable comes out the back so that you are facing the "head" of
the connector Pin1 is the first place on your right.  If you have factory
cables, Pin1 is the place where the frame ground strap connects.

For the console, contty and PORTS board the pinouts are as follows:

Pin	Signal		25 pin DTE	25 pin DCE
1	Frame GND	1		1
2	Reserved	Nothing
3	TD (out)	3 (RD in)	2 TD (in)
4	DTR (out)	8 (DCD)		20 (DTR)
5	RXD (in)	2 TD (out)	3 RD (out)
6	DCD (in)	6 & 20		8 (DCD)
7	Sig gnd		7		7
8	Reserved	Nothing

For an EPORTS board things are the same except for the addition of:

2	CTS		4 (RTS)		5 (CTS)
8	RTS		5 (CTS)		4 (RTS)

And the eports supports "hardware flow control" as well as much higher
speeds.
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From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Re: Yes, yes, yes 14 Mhz is possible
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:47:28 GMT

In article <C04opF.4Jt@babbage.ece.uc.edu> skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Steven M. Kilby) writes:
=Hey all,
=    Just a note to add to Greg's.  About 6 years ago it became known that one
=could take a crystal that was supposed to go in a 500 and place it in a 400.
=This crystal, of course, ran at 14 Mhz and was a significant boost to the 400.
=Now, sometimes this did not work.  There would be problems with the memory, the
=clock, etc....  In these cases the 400 required a new chip set also.

For the record -- I have 2 3B2/400s. One worked with the 14KHz xtal and
one didn't.

Happy New Year anyway. :-)
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From: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Steven M. Kilby)
Subject: Metamail
Originator: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:48:10 GMT

Hey oh....

    I have added another package to the archive on ucqais.cba.uc.edu.  The
package is metamail 2.4.  This package, when used in conjunction with elm 2.4,
will allow you to process multi-media mail.  Even on machines that do not
have any decent terminals it is worth while.  For instance, we run a lot of
AT&T 610 terminals.  Now, these terminals will not display GIF files or play
audio files, etc...  But, instead of tyring to dump the GIF file to the screen
Elm 2.4 w/ Metamail 2.4 will instead print a message stating that it cannot
display the picture and then continue with the next printable section.  The
archive name is mm2.4.tar.Z.


Have fun,
    Steve...
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University of Cincinnati................College of Business Administration
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From: k2ph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (The QRPer)
Subject: Low level drive format on PC6300
Organization: QRM Central
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:32:07 GMT

About once a year I get the "opportunity" to low level format
a Seagate ST225 or equivalent for use with some old PC6300.
I know there is a way of doing this with debug, but I forgot
how.  As I recall, the interleave should be set to something
nonobvious as well.

If anyone can tell me how to do this, I would greatly appreciate
it.  This time I'm going to write it down, put it on a floppy,
and store it on 3 different computers.  :-)

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From: dwsmith@bilbo.encore.com (Dwight Smith)
Subject: WANTED: SOURCE FOR UNIX 3.0 OR GREATER
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:17:45 GMT

I want to buy a copy of AT&T Unix 3.0 or greater (not Bsd). Am also looking for
a copy of X-11 r4 (or greater), and TCP.

-Dwight
From: pollock@milton.u.washington.edu (Joe Pollock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: Adding 2nd 360K floppy to an AT&T 6300
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:55:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1hpvtvINNsat
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article <1992Dec28.203932.15988@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> kstox@admips2.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Stox) writes:
>
>If memory serves correct, This was documented, but was not correct. Later
>versions of the firmware used the switches differently. Sorry that I can't
>rememeber the details, but it has been 6 years since I owned one of these 
>babies.
>
>-- 
>===============================================================================
>Ken Stox 	Consultant to A.C. Nielsen	kstox@naitc.com

I checked this aspect - although there are differences in how rev. 1.21 and
rev. 1.43 firmware use  the switches, the above settings are valid for both
versions (according to my service manual).

I considered typing in the entire matrix for both firmware versions, but it
was about four pages of text, including notes :-)

Is there a FAQ for the 6300?

joe
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From: koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:58:29 GMT

Somewhere in cyberspace, Marc Rassbach writes:

>I've been on th net for a number of years now, and have yet to see articles
>explaining all about the evil Mr. Bill's actions wrt 
>1- BASIC  and
>2- The way MS-DOS was gotten/made/whatever.
>
>No I've heard verbal stories of such, but does someone havve any material 
>worthy of actually POSTING?

Read 'Accidental Empires' by Robert X. Cringely (1992, Addison-Wesley).
There are some very critical accounts of the escapades of Mr. Gates.
(hiya Bill if you're reading)  I'd post some but, you know, copyright laws
and all... 

-- 
Louis Koziarz
koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us

Caught a SIGSEGV - .newsrc trashed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Need help with AT&T UNIX PC
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:04:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.3b1

In article <1992Dec22.144919.18404@ncsu.edu> ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes:
>	Yes, Get rid of them (sell them) and buy cheap PCs :-) PC7300 was 
>	not meant to be a DOS machine....

don't even bother trying to sell them.
they are boat anchors.

lemme know where i can drop by with my pickup trunk and help you to unload
these things.

follow-ups to comp.sys.3b1

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[             I don't want to work for a company that has a CIO.              ]
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From: dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: 3b/400 speedups
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:37:53 GMT
Reply-To: ccpoabt!dan@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Daniel James)
Distribution: usa
Organization: CCPOA Benefit Trust Fund

mtcusa@tigger.jvnc.net (Multilingual Technogies Corporation) writes:

>Rumors abound of ways to get a 3b/400 to move faster, things like
>faster clocks, etc.

>Any ideas?

I can't remember exactly what it is, if it's a cpu replacement, or a
(crystal?) to speed up the clock.  I'd have to go pull an old invoice to
see how much it cost us about two years ago (new), but whatever it was, I
don't think it was worth it.  Somewhere around $800 I think, and it only
increased the speed by 2 or 4 mhz.

If you want more info, I'm sure I can dig it up for you...
Dan.
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From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: What good is a non-deductible IRA?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:57:53 GMT

(Pradeep K Tapadiya) writes:
>But many growth funds offer a plan to automatically reinvest the capital
>gains. As long as I don't receive any cash in hand, I don't pay any taxes.
>Thus my earnings are tax-deferred without even having an IRA.
>
I am not sure this is correct! Even if you don't receive any
distributions in hand, you will have to account for it in
the capital gains schedule. Second opinion, anyone?

Satya
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From: kevin@mpls911.uucp (Kevin Herrboldt)
Subject: Re: Can you do uucp over tcp/ip on 3b2/1000
Organization: City of Minneapolis Emergency Communications
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:01:59 GMT

gulik@rtsg.mot.com (Gregory Gulik) writes:
> In article <1hahu3INNk70@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:
> >We previously had uucp working between two 3b2's over starlan, now uucp works
> >via ordinary asynchronous connection, but can you make uucp work over tcp/ip.
> >If so, what do the Devices and Systems entries look like.  Thanks for the help.
> 
> Yes, it's possible.  I have UUCP over TCP/IP between my 3B2 and a Sun3.
> 
> It's important to note that UUCP works fine from the 3B2 to the Sun,
> but there are a lot of problems going the other way.  First of all,
> there is no uucp daemon on the 3B2.  I got one off the net and
> compiled it, and although it works, it sometimes hangs.  Because
> of this, I only have the 3B2 poll the sun, not the other way
> around.
> 
> Anyway, this is what the Devices file entry looks like:
[example deleted]

We've got Wollongong TCP/IP running on a 3B2/1000 network, and followed
Appendix B ("Setting TCP/IP WIN/3B For UUCP") in the "Installation and
Administration Guide".

Basically, you use nlsadmin to add a uucico service to the network
listener:

    nlsadmin -a 101 -c "/usr/lib/uucp/uucico -r0 -i TLI -u nuucp" tcp

Then you create the TCP/IP listener address file:
    /usr/etc/rfsaddr -h `uname -n` >/usr/net/nls/tcp/addr

Make sure you have this in /usr/lib/uucp/Dialers:
    tcp "" "" NLPS:000:001:101\N\c

(Note the 101 in this field matches the "-a 101" in the nlsadmin command.)

In /usr/lib/uucp/Devices:
    TCP,eg tcp - - TLI \D tcp

And finally, in /usr/lib/uucp/Systems:
    otherguy Any TCP - \x0002040159000018

The last field is the transport address, as Greg Gulik describes:

    \x       - number that follows is hex
    0002     - Address family AF_INET
    0401     - TCP port number Network Listener listens on.
    59000018 - IP address of remote host (0x59.0.0.0x18)

(This field is similar to the one /usr/etc/rfsaddr creates, the only
difference being the IP address.)


A difference between my example and Greg Gulik's is that mine does
not require uucico to log into the system as a user.  This is quicker,
but less secure.

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From: mireley@arnou.cem.msu.edu.brewery (John D. Mireley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Wanted - RFS for SYS V 3.1
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:47:31 GMT
Reply-To: mireley@arnou.cem.msu.edu.brewery
Organization: Michigan State University Department of Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: arnou.cem.msu.edu

I would like to put RFS on a 3B2-400 to aid int the port of
and application from the 3B2 to a SPARC 2. Is it worth the 
effort? Where can I get it? How much does it cost. Does any
one want to give it away?
---
John Mireley
MSU Dept. of Chemistry
From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: FOR SALE: 3b2 boards
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:58:56 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fluke.icase.edu

To all interested in the 3b2/300/310 Mbs.  I am sorry that I have not had
the chance to reply as quickly as I might have liked, my modem has been
down and thus my access to the internet has been curtailed.  To all that
responded, I will be in contact with you sometime next week after I
finish removing the boards, all work fine.  To those of you that might
also be interested, I have plenty, drop a response and I will get to you
as soon as possible.

Thanks,




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From: gulik@rtsg.mot.com (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: Can you do uucp over tcp/ip on 3b2/1000
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:18:21 GMT

In article <1hahu3INNk70@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:
>We previously had uucp working between two 3b2's over starlan, now uucp works
>via ordinary asynchronous connection, but can you make uucp work over tcp/ip.
>If so, what do the Devices and Systems entries look like.  Thanks for the help.

Yes, it's possible.  I have UUCP over TCP/IP between my 3B2 and a Sun3.

It's important to note that UUCP works fine from the 3B2 to the Sun,
but there are a lot of problems going the other way.  First of all,
there is no uucp daemon on the 3B2.  I got one off the net and
compiled it, and although it works, it sometimes hangs.  Because
of this, I only have the 3B2 poll the sun, not the other way
around.

Anyway, this is what the Devices file entry looks like:

TCPIP,eg tcp - - TLI \D

This is what the Systems file entry looks like:

serveme Any TCPIP - \x0002021cc0000002 ogin: Ugagme word: password

This is what it means:

   \x0002021cc0000002

	0002  - Address family AF_INET
	021c  - port 540 (decimal)
	c0    - 192  (These 4 numbers are the other node's
	00    - 00    IP address, in this case 192.0.0.2)
	00    - 00
	02    - 02


Good luck.

-greg
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