From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:15:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <By1G88.Jp@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
[..]
>> Why keep on insisting on something you are clearly wrong? TSK!
>> TSK!

>Because I'm not.  This is the second attempt at catching me out over
>trivia.  So what is wrong with the overall argument which you don't

And I catch you! For a true historian (=researcher,
scientist), it is *extremely* important to be careful when making
statements and other claims contrary to the general belief,
only backed by his own open admission that he is a historian.
Especially during this period that a government of a state next
to Greece tries to claim "rights" on whatever is Macedonian, by
using ridiculously false "historical" arguments.

>challenge and still works even if we adopt your translation?  Isocrates
>says Philip is a Greek who doesn't rule over Greeks, but non-Greeks.
>Not too surprising as he's alreahy said that Macedonia lies outside the
>land of the Greeks.  As I have said there are also strong reasons to

(1) I have not only challenged you, but forced you in accepting
publicly your own errors. Why inisist then?

(2) Where does he say so? You read the text, but you do not
understand it (unless of course the motives are different).
Check with the man again. When he speaks about the land(s), how
does he refer to Cyprus and especially to the land of the
Greeks in Aegean shores of Asia Minor? Is it "HELLAS" or
"IONIA"? Also is it "HELLAS" or "SICILY"? Is it "HELLAS" or
"MACEDONIA"? Furthermore, does he consider Macedonians,
barbarians (= non Greeks)?

And another very important thing. When writing a (friendly) letter to an
absolute monarch (be it Ancient, Medieval or Modern Times),
would you bother to mention much about the people? Of course
not. The government is the King. Everything goes through him.
He is the nation and anybody dissagreeing with this would soon
lose his life.

>doubt whether the Argeads' claim to Greekness will work.  The

Now it is your word against Herodotus, Olympic Games and a
number of other famous people...

>interesting point is that those they rule over are clearly not Greek.
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Boring... Another mistake, CLEARLY? You haven't given anything
crystal clear.

>So where's the problem, unless you buy the propaganda of the Greek
>government?

Yes. For 4 years in London, I am in chains by the Greek
government, waiting for somebody to liberate me...

>Andy

Sad, sad, very sad indeed

Panayotis
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