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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:31:59 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Epistemology 'R Us

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:12:40 EST Michael H. Bloom said:
>> Let's see the heavy metal tape was $4 .....hm...hm.....Does that mean they
>> pay you $4 to listen to it or do you pay them $4 to listen to it.............
>> either way you got ripped off...(just some lame humor).....:-)..L.W.
>
>Ipse dixit. Not only is it lame, Lenny, this is the kind of slope-browed
>one-liner that gets you talked about.

Bad publicity is better than none at all

>Methinks thou dost protest too much. Len, the first things I can remember
>you saying when you first made yourself known to ALLMUSIC were that the
>blues was the apex of human emotion and that you had to be black to play
>it properly. As soon as you set up skin color as a prerequisite for some

I never said that, i read an article that said that and i beleive i asked
the group their opinion, my favorite blues guitar player is Duanne Allman
always has been, with Stevie Ray a some-what distant second.. I would never
say white people couldn't play the blues or can't have the blues....L.W.
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Subject:      NUTHIN' FER' TRADE?

Actually, I 'magine you DO have somethin' fer' trade, but I don't know
WHAT it is!  Ergo, the HOTTEST tape of Davey&me is Sdrawkcab Zzaj!  It
usually runs for $6, but for any ALLMUSICKER, it's available for only
$5!  If ANYTHING could stir ye' towards a religion (of sorts), THIS
tape is IT, MAN!  Snailmail is Dick Metcalf, HQ, 19th SUPCOM, Unit 15015,
PO BX 2879, APO AP 96218-0171.  GO fer' it, Rev Bob!

ZZAJ
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:50:42 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Sharrock

I finally heard some Sonny Sharrock, i've heard the group talk about him
alot and i've read about him in guitar mags..Is that kinda thang called
"free improvisation" and what exactly does that mean.....L.W.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: 1992 Allmusic Awards Nominations
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:56:26 GMT


OK, I will give it a shot.

In article <ALLMUSIC%93010215423263@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> U33963@UICVM.BITNET (El Chahuistli) writes:
>It's time for nominations of Allmusic's 1992 awards.  Here are categories.
>
>1. Rising star or revelation of the year.

don't know.

>2. Wittiest poster.  (Rolling on the Floor Laughing Prize)

give the chuckatreze some points on that.

>3. Most consistent initiator & promoter of dialogue. (Threadmaker Award)

Bloom

>4. Funkiest poster.

ROTCOD ZAJJ

>5. Nastiest poster (Painful Plague Prize)

Does renaming it to Allmusic Dominatrix count?  If so, nerves of
steel.

>6. Friendliest and kindest Allmusicker.

Libby Doe.

>7. Clueless poster award. (Frippie Prize)

hehehehe.... Vinnie is GOD!

>8. Grossest musical mistake in a post.  (Ignoramus Prize, aka Renato Barahona
>Award for misattribution of _Ionisation_)

give it to Vinnie is GOD again.

>9. Most original review of a tape, album or CD.

Give Sonia some votes for all her efforts...

>10. Sexiest poster.  (Libby Doe Prize)

Libby Doe.

>11. Most playful poster.

Libby Doe.

>12. Best Allmusic flamer.

I am going to rename this category Allmusic bouncer...  not really a flamer, but
it would go to n.n.

>13. Most astonishing confession or personal revelation.

nobody.  I am not going to give it to n.n. for madonna.

>14. Strangest Allmusic post.

I had to have some in there, no?

>15. Classiest Allmusicker.

I don't know.  Ok, make it the classiest nitpicker, then give it to
Roof.

>16. Most dazzling all-around poster.

Bloom again.

>17. Keeper of the Allmusic flame award.  (To the person who epitomizes
>the spirit & ideals -- whatever they might be -- of the list.  This is the
>highest honor that can be accorded an Allmusicker.)

Give it to Chris K of UIC.



there you have it...

Jeff
From: pferguso@oregon.uoregon.edu (Phil Ferguson)
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Let me add my thanks to David Morgan for his thoughts on getting our research
published in predominantly quantitative journals.  My own field is special
education and disability studies, which until recently had clung tenaciously to
its medical model and quantitative methods.  What I have seen happening over
the last few years in special education journals, however, prompts me to add a
few remarks to David's.  There is a danger, I think, that the first qualitative 
manuscript or two that are published in a previously quantitative and/or
behavioristic field (or such a journal within that field) become identified as
THE format for doing and presenting qualitative research.  Just as there is a
standardized way to report a t-test, there is quickly established a
"standardized" way to report qualitative results.  If the first article
published does a lot of inter-rater reliability stuff, and numerical analyses
of coding patterns or whatever, it seems tempting for the editors and reviewers 
to latch on to that version as the sine qua non of "systematic, rigorous, and
reliable" qualitative research.  This is probably no problem for those
researchers who use qualitative methods while maintaining an adherence to
objectivist (neo-positivist, etc.) epistemology.  However, for those
qualitative researchers who are coming from a much more interpretivist
(naturalistic inquiry, constructivist, etc.) worldview, the situation can more
impenetrable than before.  If we, that is qualitative researchers, complain,
then it can seem as though we are refusing to take yes for an answer. "But we
do publish qualitative research.  Look at the example with all of the charts."

This is what is currently happening in some special ed. journals.  Indeed, what
I see is a lot of quantitative researchers "adding" a qualitative component to
their studies and publishing it as multi-method research.  This is fine, it
just misses so much of potential and methodological variety that exists within
the various traditions and innovations of interpretivist research, broadly
conceived.

So, my point to all of this is not to discount David's suggestions and
strategies.  I would just encourage some additional language in such
"breakthrough" manuscripts that refer to wide variety of qualitative methods
and traditions, and why this study or that analytic procedure followed these steps or operate within
this tradition.  As long as we're breaking through, let's try to make the hole
as big as possible. 

In conclusion, I have always liked Harry Wolcott's response to 
critics who complained that  he shouldnt be so stubborn about rejecting
quantification of his results.  "What do you mean," he would reply,  "I
numbered all of my pages, didn't I?"

Phil Ferguson
University of Oregon
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:00:31 EST
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Subject:      greetings
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I just want to take the opportunity to wish everyone on the list a joyous
holiday season and all the best in the new year.
        Marge Steiner
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:37:00 CDT
From:         BOEHLEFELD@WISCSSC.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Advice on Reliability

Debbie Shank said, in part....
    ... I understand
your desire to be considered legitimate "researchers" rather
than poets, but perhaps it is time to think about the
ways poets "code their data" to make us more aware of the
worlds around us. -- just some food for thoughts --

and Todd Jenning replied, in part.....

   ......  We are left to walk both
sides of the fence without playing the whore to either.


That leads to visions of pimps and madams somewhere out there in
research land. So, walking the fence, as Todd suggests, must mean
some of us hope not to grow up to *be* pimps and madams of research.
Hmmm...rather a sad picture, don't you think? Perhaps part of what
we need is a new vision of what it is we're trying to do.

If I have to pick, I'd pick the poet.

And, as Obi wan Kanobe didn't quite say.....
Metaphors be with you.

sharon bo.
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From:         "Josie.Csete" <21602JMC@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Advice on reliability

I have also been struggling with the issue of subjectivity in qualitative data
coding and analysis.  Todd mentioned triangulation is not possible because he
doesn't have access to his participants again, but I would suggest other ways
oftriangulating.  First, (perhaps this is not possible), but my participants
responded to an instrument and in my study I'm going to"guess"about their
responses before I look at them, a sort of measure of how well I I know my
participants.  But there are also some forms of triangulation that you can do
without ever seeing your participants again.  For instance, have you
consideredintra-rater reliability?  I'm new at this stuff, so I'm going to
code things, leave it for a while, and then code fresh clean copies again to
see if I code the same stuff the same way over time.  Second, I plan to try a
bit of inter-rater reliability. After I'm happy with my coding(If ever) I plan
to train a colleague on my categories with examples, and then give him a
portion of my data to code, to see how we agree.

I'd be very open to hearing what others think about these methods.  Messages
have been flying about "prostituting ourselves", and granted I'm new at
qualitativeresearch, but I think finding out whether and to what degree people
can see what I do in the data has important implicationsfor the usefullness of
my findings.

However, I'd hasten to add, that all these attempts at "triangulation" are
ways of checking myself.  I strongly support what Kelly said, in terms of
providing some of the data as well as how you coded, and let your readers make
their own determination as to validity and importance.

                                      Josie
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From:         jude <JUDE@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Greetings from Egypt

On behalf of QUALRS-L, thank you, Ahmed K. Higab, for your holiday cheer. j.
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:17:36 -0700
From:         JENNINGT@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Psychology Journals
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David, I think you would do us all a service by relating your experience
with fashioning Qual articles for acceptance by Quant editors.  Please,
open the discussion.  "Free should the scholar be, free and brave."  I
for one would be very appreciative, if we are all to transform out
respective disciplines, it would seem very appropriate for a support
network like this is discussion strategies for dissimination.  Thanks,
Todd.
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:11:40 CST
From:         George Balch <U08812@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Psychology Journals

David asks whether efforts to get one's qualitative work published in journals
which usually publish only quantitative work might be considered pandering or
prostitution.  My view is that efforts to make genuine contributions to a
discipline, particularly to open that discipline up to sources of ideas to
which it has been closed, are highly valuable.  A journal which is so caught
up in a method that it rejects relevant findings based on other methods has
already prostituted itself.  What are we doing if we let them get away with it?

Of course, we should not violate intellectual integrity vis-a-vis our findings
or methods.  Positioning an article diplomatically, however, does not violate
intellectual integrity.  Avoiding needless confrontations over epistemological
ideology in order to get serious attention strikes me as well worth it.

So, David, any tips you have would be a service to me, to other qualitative
researchers, and to quantitative researchers who might never otherwise see
some of our findings or theorizing.  What do you suggest, David?

George Balch

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Debbie, unfortunately that is not enough.  In the midst of transforming
the behavioral sciences to affirm alternative methodologies, we much all
survive in a field which demands evidence of objectivity (regardless of
how misguided or possible that may or many not be).  Most of us have
chosen to do qual research as an act of integrity.  Either because it
fit the research question or seemed like a more authentic way to
approach the world.  However, in the Behavioral Sciences, sharing insights
is not valued.  The goal is to somehow represent the world in a
reliable and honest way.  To do that, and discover or articulate something
unexpected, is considered insight.

And to transform the field we must remain within it.  To remain in it, we
must get tenure, to get tenure we must publish.  In the field of psychology
(in the traditional sense) will not make it.  We are left to walk both
sides of the fence without playing the whore to either.  Todd.
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:00:33 -0700
From:         JENNINGT@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject: Second attempt at: Group distinctions during data analysis

I am analyzing group interview data from four different groups all within
the same human rights organization.  I am hoping to build a descriptive
model or the psychology of human rights advocacy.  My question is this:
When attempting to build a descriptive model when is it appropriate to
consider the groups separately and when should the model represent a
composite of all four groups?  For example, if I find that one group
indicates a relationship between two themes, must all groups show the
same relationship in order for it to be in my descriptive model?  OR
is it more appropriate to take all relationships shown and present a
model reflecting all the varieties of experience?  Thanks, Todd.
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:02:35 EST
From:         MSTEINER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      RE: Quant Journals, Pt. 1

Thanks for the great and thoughtful advice.  Although I'm not attempting to
submit work to quantitative journals, I am now atrying to get a book published,
and am trying to re-kindle interest with a publisher after one reviewer wrote
comments that I did not think were particularly fair, although some of his
points ewere valid.  Anyway, thanks again.
        Marge Steiner
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:42:22 -0800
From:         Michael_Roth@SFU.CA
Subject:      reliability (prostitution)
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Todd:

This was not an attack on you, but the decision whether we prostitute
ourselves has to be made by each  of us.  I am far from accusing anyone of
being a prostitute.  I hope you read my message like that before feeling
insulted.

Michael


Wolff-Michael Roth, Ph.D.
Wendy MacDonald Research Fellow
Research Methods & Science Education

Faculty of Education
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, BC, Canada  V5A 1S6
Tel:       (604) 291-3046
FAX:      (604) 291-3203
internet: Michael_Roth@sfu.ca
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:04:22 CST
From:         EN01000 <EN01@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      COMPS QEUSTIONS OOPS QUESTIONS

To those who expressed concern about my request to see typical comps
questions:  I want to see samplwes samples of questions out of curiosity,
scholarly type--what do we think are the important questions that a
relative novice in our discipline should be able to grapple lwith with?
I also wanted to see sample questions in order to share them with my
students in our university's closest thing to a graduate course in
qualitative research.  I am the one propl people come to when they
have qualitative questions in our department, and though I have done
qualitative research both for my dissertation and more recent stou
studies (and have attended the January conference at UGA) I am not the
expert I would like to be in order to teach others.  Hence my request
for some generic questions.
I do believe that there are such questions in our methodolgy.  I do not
think that the answers will be the same - - old Heraclitus again - -
the the b
but the issues around which our discussion swirls may be given form by
consideration of my question.
If you are at all co
uncomfortable with the reqeust request, please ignore it.  I am not heaven
forbid trying to get anything that is confidential or privileged.  The
As a teacher, I intend for myu my ideas to be taken, used, and adapted by
my students ., . . I use the motto, "I never met a lesson plan I didn't
steal" (and I stole that line from Jim Rycik).   Please forgive me if I
asked for something that seems inapprpop inappropriate within this forum.
Carolyn Andrews-Beck
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:59:00 CST
From:         U21DLS1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Advice on reliability

If you need "objective proof" of coding and data analysis, then
why aren't you using quantitive methods?  If you derive insights
from your interviews which could allow readers of your insights
to gain further insights, then isn't that enough?  I understand
your desire to be considered legitimate "researchers" rather
than poets, but perhaps it is time to think about the
ways poets "code their data" to make us more aware of the
worlds around us. -- just some food for thoughts --
Peace, Debbie Smith-Shank u21dls1@niu (art department)
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From:         "Helen M. Raisz/Institute of Gerontology" <RAISZ@SJC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Greetings from Egypt

what a lovely greeting from Cairo. Happy New Year to you from West hartford, CT
   Saint Joseph College. Our fine arts professor goes to Cairo every year to stu
   dy
the pyramids. I'd be interested to learn more aout
about your work  raisz@sjc.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:52:08 CST
From:         George Balch <U08812@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Street Kids (fwd)

An outfit called MEE Productions produced a very insightful, action-oriented
study of street kids for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.  It's called
REACHING THE HIP-HOP GENERATION.  It can be obtained from MEE Productions,
Inc. 4601 Market Street, Philadephia, PA 19139, Tel: 215 748-2595
Fax: 215 748-3223.  Since it was funded by a foundation, I doubt they would
charge for it.

The study itself focusses on their culture, their communications, and how to
reach them with drug abuse programs -- to the extent this is possible.  It's
not pure academic social science.  It is based on considerable qualitative
research, communication expertise, and action-oriented thinking. It is very
clearly written.

Good luck!
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:26:10 -0500
From:         GERALD WEINSTEIN <gerald.weinstein@EDUC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Call for Papers
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**************************************
CALL FOR PAPERS
**************************************
EIGHTH ANNUAL SYMPOSIUM ON
ADULT DEVELOPMENT

25-27 JUNE 1993, UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS, AMHERST, MA

Deadline for submission of papers is March 1, 1993
***************************************

Each Adult Development Symposium consists of a gathering of
individuals who share data, theory and experience. People from all
disciplines interested in positive adult development participate. Based on
the presentations, discussions and interchange, participants will have
the opportunity to revise their papers for later publications.

*Positive adult development* refers to development starting in late
adolescence and continuing through life. The focus is on expanded
capabilities and changes that improve the quality of  life.

This year we would like to encourage papers and posters on adult
emotional development in addition to the theoretical and applied
submissions we routinely receive.

The symposium presents data and theory on development from many
perspectives and traditions. For example: periods and seasons
(Levinson); life periods (Erickson); whole-life approaches; epistemology
and reflection (Perry); consciousness; clinical development; wisdom;
expertise; life span; adult attachment; careers; stages and
levels/domains are topics addressed. Additional topics relate to
epistemology and mathematical-scientific development, as well as social,
moral, ethical, ego, attachment, artistic, institutional, political and family
issues.

As has been the case since this series began in 1982, the conference will
be attended by the major researchers in adult development. While many
of the theoreticians also work in contexts in which they apply their
theories, the conferences have not attracted people whose major work is
applied rather than theoretical. This year we will extend invitations to
practitioners who have an interest in adult development theory. There
will be benefits to these adults in the workplace, in schools, in families,
in communities or as individuals; they will become involved in the latest
thinking about adult development and should come away from the
conference with insights that will help them in their practice.

For theoreticians, we see the following opportunities:

- to share your ideas with other theoreticians through exchange of
papers
- to explore your ideas and others in a deeper way by relating them to
daily life and its problems and opportunities
- to explore the applications of your theories by working on significant
problems with practitioners

For more information and a registration/submission form you may write to me at:

School of Education
University of Massachusetts
Amherst, MA 01002

or E-Mail your request directly to me at:
geraldw@titan.ucc.umass.edu

Gerald Weinstein
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