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From: cjc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CARL JOSEPH CHRISBACHER)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Instructional Videos
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:24:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I purchased the Rhonda Smith collection of instructional videos (The Stance,
Waterstarting, The Jibe and The Step Jibe) and found them extremely helpful.
She seems to go through the steps to learning these techniques pretty
thoroughly.  Anyway, you might want to give them a try.  Good Luck!

Carlbacher
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Carl J. Chrisbacher                         O
Lehigh University                         //\/
(215) 865-7890                      .....\/\    Gotta run!
From: kettering@addvax.llnl.gov (Brett 'Volleyball Is My Game' Kettering)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Mail order outfits???
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:13:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'd like to get some information on reputable mail order outfits.  Right now
I'm just in the market for an adjustable boom to fit from a 4.0 to a 6.0
Neil Pryde sail, but who knows...

Thanks in advance,
Brett Kettering
brettk@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject:  1992 sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:11:13 GMT


1992 Fanatic Mega Cat - $800

	- A Few repaired dings with no noticeable weight gain. Besides that
	  still in great condition. Comes with fin and upgraded straps.

1992 Fiberspar World Cup Masts - $200 each

	- 500 30MCS, and 465 27MCS both ONE piece for lighter weight.

1992 Serfiac Pro Long - aluminum mast (used twice) $150.


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: matt@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Matt Yamamoto)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:12:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in Martenique
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Subject: Re: Several Questions
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:29:04 GMT

dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:

>I just bought a transition board about a month ago and have
>found myself more and more in need of technical knowledge.

>1) What are the subtlties of where you put your fin?

I've found (and friends agree) that you should try different positions
yourself and see where feels more balanced for you, and less prone to spin
out.  One point that may leed you one way or other is the turning ability of
different positions.  The further forward you have the fin, the smaller will
be your turning circle (but more prone to spin out), the further back the
opposite.

Others may know more about it, and have better advice.

>2) How can you prevent cavetation (sp ?)?

I don't know the term.

>3) How long should your fin be?

That depends on the above partly, but more on what type of board you have and
what type of sailing you do.  Wave fins tend to be shorter and swept back.
Slalom fins are straight (in comparison) and longer.  Racing fins (speed) are
longer again I believe (but I haven't seen one).  So do you do lots of turns,
jibes etc. or do you go in straight lines more?

>4) What are the appropriate sails for a range of winds
>and how does one determine this?  (Yesterday, this guy 
>told me I was overpowerd by my 6'2" in 20 mph winds;  I 
>thought I was just going fast!)

I wholeheartedly agree with him.  I have the following sizes of sail: 4.0m,
4.5m, 5.0m, 5.7m and 6.2m.  I would suggest (but it depends a bit on you
weight and your board) the following.
	5-10 mph	>7m
	10-15 mph	6m
	15-20		5.5m
	20-25		5m
	25-30		4.5
	30-35		4 or less

I weight 90kg (180 pounds) so if you are lighter, I'd tone all the sizes
down.

>5) What do you look for in a good sail?

Shape.

>6) How does the shape of a fun, slalom, wave sail affect its
>performance?

Slalom and race sails give much greater power for the same area, but are
harder to turn (much less manouverable).  Wave sails the opposite.

>Wheeh!  That's a lot of questions.  I hope these are
>common questions for us beginners, so that others will
>also benefit from the responses.

>Thanks!

All the above are based on my own experience and conclusion/assumptions I have
made after 5 years of sailing.  Others may offer more knowledgeable answers.


David
CITRI
Melbourne
Australia
From: jackg@bears.ucsb.edu (Jack Greenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Offset on Mast Foot ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: jackg@ece.ucsb.edu
Organization: /usr4/research/jackg/.organization
In-reply-to: bohning@mot.com's message of 17 Nov 92 23:52:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.235244.2292@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bohning@mot.com (Terry Bohning) writes:

   From: bohning@mot.com (Terry Bohning)
   Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
   Date: 17 Nov 92 23:52:44 GMT

   I am a first-time shortboarder and purchased a Windsurfing Hawaii
   "Star Base".  Does anyone know why the mast base can be offset
   with respect to the board centerline?  Under what conditions
   would one prefer to have it on particular side of the board
   centerline?

I think it's offset to give one more leverage when tightening and
(hopefully) loosening. I've been telling myself for months that I'd buy
something more sensible, these are a pain in the butt (well, palms
really).

--
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Jack Greenbaum     | UC Santa Barbara
jackg@ece.ucsb.edu | Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Box 253
(805) 893-4461     | Santa Barbara, Ca. 93106, USA
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From: rperisic@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Robert Perisic)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Can someone please help?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:37:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hi,
   My name is Robert Perisic and I am a keen windsurfer from Perth -
Western Australia.

I was hoping someone on the net could provide me with some important
information.

Basically I'm after as many internet addresses of board and/or sail
manufacturers in the world.
Addresses of the larger companies such as Bic Mistral Gaastra would be
of great benefit and greatly appreciated.

If there are any employee's out there from such companies ,could you
please respond and drop us a line.

My address is rperisic@tartarus.uwa.edu.au



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



                 Yours Hopefully 
                 Robert Perisic.
From: plunkett@snips.tmc.edu (Marianne Plunkett-Prestwich)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Instruction videos
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:59:42 GMT
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy - Harvard Medical School
NNTP-Posting-Host: snips.dfci.harvard.edu
Keywords: waterstart videos

I highly recommend John Guay's Shortboard Sailing Technique I.

Excellent narration and slow motion footage.

He also trouble shoots common mistakes.

Watch 3 or 4 times and practice in waist deep water with preferably
a buddy who knows how to do them.


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at (Petzi Schweda)
Subject: it's gettin' cold in middle europe ...
Originator: sca@gese0n.ge14.mdadv.gv.at
Organization: MD-ADV, Vienna, Austria
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:19:43 GMT


I have to post for psycho-hygenic causes !
The happy chattin' of all you US-guys is drivin me nuts -
in Vienna wev'e got below 10 deg. celsius and it's raining !
But be aware: in February I'll go to Cabarete for 6 weeks ...

Phuu, feelin' better now ...
<Petzi> 
-- 
Petzi Schweda (sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at)
MD-ADV, Municipality of the City of Vienna, Austria
-- 
Petzi Schweda (sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at)
MD-ADV, Municipality of the City of Vienna, Austria
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:46:23 GMT
Subject: Goodbye
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Hello fellow netters.

Since I will be severing employment ties with HP in January, and I don't 
know what I'll be doing afterwards, I need to know if I can access the
Network News via Prodigy or some other network service.

If I get the job on Grand Cayman, I'll let you know where.  The windsurfing
is supposed to be pretty good there in the winter.  Maybe some of you will
drop in on me and say "Hi".

Meanwhile, I've got 36 new and mostly new sails and a couple of carbon masts
that are for sale at closeout prices.  If you need anything, let me know.
I'll see if I've got what you need in your price range.

tom.
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: it's gettin' cold in middle europe ...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:39:40 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at (Petzi Schweda) writes:


>I have to post for psycho-hygenic causes !
>The happy chattin' of all you US-guys is drivin me nuts -
>in Vienna wev'e got below 10 deg. celsius and it's raining !
>But be aware: in February I'll go to Cabarete for 6 weeks ...

Some of us US-guys sail when its temps like you're complaining about! 10C is
not too bad really (with a good wetsuit).

>Phuu, feelin' better now ...

I'll post after my New Zealand trip at xmas!

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: bruno@fc.hp.com (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in Martenique
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:52:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bxx86x.KMs
Organization: /STD/CoLL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

> (it is, after all, a French Colony).

Make that a french department. I don't think the locals will take lightly
to being called colonised. But then again, when you go to Club Med you
don't see what the real Martinique is like and you don't get to meet too
many locals...

bruno.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Offset on Mast Foot ?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:10:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.235244.2292@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bohning@mot.com (Terry Bohning) writes:
>I am a first-time shortboarder and purchased a Windsurfing Hawaii
>"Star Base".  Does anyone know why the mast base can be offset
>with respect to the board centerline?  Under what conditions
>would one prefer to have it on particular side of the board
>centerline?

I think that it was entirely a manufacturing choice, that is it's
somehow easier to build it when the universal shaft and the blot shaft
are not inline.  In any case the offset is only 1/2" and totally
inconsequential in practice.  In practice the foot is tightened
appropriately (so that you can just barely get it loose with cold
hands) and the offset is wherever it happens to be.

If you want to be compulsive you can get shims and shim it until you
get the universal inline with the board centerline.  But I'd rather
be sailing.

/andy
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Subject: Re: Offset on Mast Foot ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:57:43 GMT

Andrew J. Huang (andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) writes:

> Terry Bohning writes:
>>I am a first-time shortboarder and purchased a Windsurfing Hawaii
>>"Star Base".  Does anyone know why the mast base can be offset
>>with respect to the board centerline?
>
>In practice the foot is tightened appropriately (so that you can just
>barely get it loose with cold >hands) and the offset is wherever it
>happens to be.
>
>If you want to be compulsive you can get shims and shim it until you
>get the universal inline with the board centerline.


Why not just tighten or loosen the nut 1/4 turn before you put it on?
It works for me.


Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: complaining
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:59:54 GMT
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.asd.sgi.com

In article <hcw1=#j@rpi.edu>, haaged@cary111.its.rpi.edu (Dana Robert Haagensen) writes:
|> 
|>     Well, it seems as though the rest of you guys are spoiled because
|>                  1)  I'm stuck at college without a board
|> 		 2)  It`s snowed twice here already, and the temperatures
|>                          are 30-40 degrees
|> 		 3)  There`s nothing but LAKE sailing to do here
|>                  4)   I don`t have the time to sail - What do you guys do for
|>                              a living ??????????
|> 
|>	[.....]
|> 
|> 	WISH I HAD MONEY, WARMTH, WIND, TIME,   and had gone to
|> 						school somewhere
|> 						warmer !!!!!!!!
|> 

Well, when I was at Cornell (86-90) in Ithaca NY, I took windsurfing on
the finger lakes (right by the scool). Turns out you could take
windsurfing through the scool (phys ed credits) and only pay something
like $160 for 4 month, and use all the equipment as often as you wanted
(pretty good stuff there). Needless to say I was there a lot, even missed
afternoon classes when the wind was very good. This is where I learned to
windsurf (during the fall when the winds are better, but before the lake
freezes !) and now looking back at it I think that was a lot of fun and a
good deal for the money.

Believe me, you have a lot more time in college than you will ever have
once you start working. You just don't have the money... Then again I
really shouldn't complain because my job here in the SF bay is flexible
enough so I can usually take afternoons off to windsurf during the summer
and work at night instead. Most people aren't that lucky and can only go
during weekends. The SF area is a great place to windsurf (and work)
though...

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Alain Dumesny	alain@sgi.com	(415)390-5250	    Silicon Graphics Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bohning@mot.com (Terry Bohning)
Subject: Offset on Mast Foot ?
Organization: dq549
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:52:44 GMT

I am a first-time shortboarder and purchased a Windsurfing Hawaii
"Star Base".  Does anyone know why the mast base can be offset
with respect to the board centerline?  Under what conditions
would one prefer to have it on particular side of the board
centerline?
thanks, 
Terry Bohning
bohning@acc.fau.edu
bohning@ecs.comm.mot.com
terryb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
71036.1066@compuserve.com
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:10:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Why do blade fins work better?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>Just rambling on.  Any people out there REALLY know what's going on?
>--
>David Abraham            dwabra@watson.ibm.com
>----------
Only that it hasn't been windy for many weeks and it sounds like you are
a victim of the same affliction!
8-)
Kirk (maybe a storm today??)out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: knabe@ECRC.DE (Fritz Knabe)
Subject: Re: Instruction videos
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:19:58 GMT

I found "Shortboard Sailing Technique I" very useful for learning to jibe. And
I still have more to learn from it (like duck jibes). Highly recommended. I
don't know about the others, though.

Fritz
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:51:10 PST
From: <SHIN@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject:    Instruction videos

I'm looking to buy an instruction video which might help in
learning waterstarts and jibes. (I asked the Net for advise
regarding transition boards vs short boards a few months ago
and ended up buying a used Mistral Tarifa, with 5.3 and 6.2
Gaastra sails for $450 from a fellow Netter...since I bought
the board, the wind stopped blowing)  Anyway, I've noted the
availability of several videos which might be interesting and
would help me learn more advanced skills.  Looking at one of my
catalogs, I've noticed that many of the videos have the same
information.  Titles which are in the category I want include:
Shortboard Sailing Technique I, Waterstart, and Beachstarts,
Waterstarts, & Jibes.

Have any of you seen these videos, and what's your opinion regarding
their usefulness?  Thanks for your help...

                       Harry Shin
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: osystems@world.std.com (Cary T Conrad)
Subject: Great Gear for Sail/Sale
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: rec.aviation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:02:49 GMT




Windsurfing Equipment Price List
Cary T. Conrad
(617) 643-9110

Quiver Quality Sails        Your Price               Cost
6.4 - 1990 Northwave        200.00                  400.00
6.2 - 1992 Northwave        440.00                  525.00
5.6 - 1991 Northwave        300.00                  400.00
4.5 - 1991 Northwave        250.00(Used 3 times)    325.00
3.5 - 1991 Northwave        200.00(Used once)       325.00
Quiver Price(6.2 - 3.5)     990.00(individual 1190) 1575.00

Good Time Sails(Mast Included)
7.5 - 1988 Gastra   100.00
6.0 - 1988 F2           25.00

Boards
9.2 - 1990 Hi Tech Glass Board      500.00
8.8 - 1992 ProTech No Nose(8.4 Effective) 850.00

Mast Bases Equipment
Windsurfing Hawaii Camfoot      20.00(each with cups)
Windsurfing Hawaii Gorilla 16"      20.00
F2 Mast Base            5.00

Booms
ART 7'                  90.00

Wet Suits
Body Glove Long John(M)             40.00



conrad@osystems.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hgray@mta.ca
Subject: Fin for Bic Rock'n'roll
Reply-To: hgray@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:14:05 GMT

Hello, I'm in need of some advise as to what fin I should get for my
Rock'n roll.  Here's my problem:  On my reaches, the fin I presently
use is ok (no spin-outs); however, as soon as I hit a piece of chop,
and get a little air, or put to much weight on the tail, the darn
thing spins out, leaving me wondering if the fin is actually still
there!  Any suggestions much appreciated.
Harvey Gray
Mt.A #1
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: knabe@ECRC.DE (Fritz Knabe)
Subject: Re: Why do blade fins work better?
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:46:21 GMT

If all you're looking at is lift/drag, blade fins should be a win. The
higher the aspect ratio (fin length vs chord), the better the L/D.

You see this principle in sailplanes -- the planes with the best L/D (about
60:1) have extremely long wings (75 feet wingspan!). Although you can glide
forever, there's some trade-off in responsiveness, plus they cost a fortune.
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:45:14 GMT
Subject: Re: olympic's
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> Thought some would like to know, the next olympic board will be the 
> Mistral One-Design, and pumping will be allowed!

Is there a limit on pumping, or will the racers look like body-builders?


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:08:27 EST
From: <CXF122@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: re: Complaining

Bitch, moan, bitch moan.   Things could be worse.  You could be in the balmy
state of Pennsylvania.  I'm not in philly or pittsburgh but am in the dead
center of this horrible state.  That's right, I'm in Happy Valley PA (that's no
joke)  The sailing up here blows  hard (I'm not talking about the wind).  Three
semesters ago I took the phs. ed. class Boardsailing thinking it would extend
my sailing time into late october.  Well I quickly learned that we that the
teacher didn't feel like rescuing any stranded sailors so he tied the boards
to the shore with a 200' rope.  What a wanker.  I was so pissed.  It was the
most horrible experience ever.  Anyway, enough complaining.
                      Chris

P.S.  What are the three biggest lies in central Pennsylvania?
      1)  I swear my truck is paid for.
      2)  I didn't no she was my sister.
      3)  Honestly officer, I was just helping the sheep over the fence.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: Mexican Windsurfing ?
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:35:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

Hi,
    Can you help me ? I'm trying to plan a vacation for
six people, three of whom are passionate board sailors.
Ability wise they're all strong sailors on transitional
boards, no real radical stuff (eg; good strong jibes but no
inverted manuevers) and hope to get better during the trip.
Us less serious sailors are interested in Akumal, Mexico,
about 60 miles south of Cancun, as it seems to offer the
level of diversity we need to please us all (to some extent.)
I've sailed in Cozumel and had a good time, but I'm not a
real advanced sailor like these guys. They, naturally, want
strong wind, a mix of flat and rough water, and excellent
equipment. Does anyone know if these things are available on
the Yucatan in April ? Any recommendations of where to rent
boards for a week ? We're one week away from just doing 
separate vacations :-<


                                 Thanks,

                                 john cloyd
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bohning@mot.com (Terry Bohning)
Subject: Windsurfing Hawaii Mast Foot Offset
Organization: dq549
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:14:04 GMT

Well, I called Windsurfing Hawaii and asked why the 
offset is present on the star foot.  As several 
people here on the net suggested, the reason is
that it saves them from having to "stack bolts"
at the foot center.  This produces a lower
profile design, they said, although it  
seems to me  that it also allows it to be manufactured
more cheaply.  The offset, according to them,
produces neglible effects when compared with
the other forces involved.

Terry Bohning
bohning@ecs.comm.mot.com



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