From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Re: K-Mark Hostages
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:15:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.112430.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.230821.20178@u.washington.edu>, hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress) writes:
>> I wrote:
>>    "A man distragught over losing his
>>    wife and kids to a divorce is charged
>>    with 25 counts of hostage taking."
>> 
>> Daniel H. replied:
>>    "Someone this unstable shouldn't be trusted with kids."
>> 
>> Think about it. HE LOST HIS KIDS.
>> HE LOST HIS RIGHT TO NOT WORK.
>> ALL "HIS" FUTURE MONEY GOES TO HIS EX.
>> 
>> The news just dismisses him as mad.
>> The news does not explain that society
>> caused his problems.
>-- 
>
>  Now, I don't condone criminal acts. but I have to agree with the second
>poster. 
>
>  Men were raised with the following promise. All we had to do was educate
>ourselves, build a career, and we could expect a long life sharing with
>our families.
>
>  In case after case, men have been relegated to the status of "walking cash
>machine" and denied access to their families by women who feel totally
>justified in the "by any means possible" mentality. These men have been
>denied access to their families through false sexual allegations and other
>lies tolerated by a public and court system which assumes that men are not
>only inferior parents, but somehow deserving of such treatment as a class.
>
>  One case I met here in Los Angeles involves a man who was falsely
>accused of sexual abuse of his children, and despite supportive testimony
>from his neighbors was convicted on one count out of 16. But since he
>had child support payments to make the judge did not send him to jail, but
>placed him under house/work arrest. He wears an eletronic bracelet, and
>is allowed only to go to work and to return home. He even
>requires special permission of the court to attend meetings
>of local men's groups.
>
>  I don't care what the legal justification claims, this is outright slavery,
>and slavery is something we fought a very long and bloody war about.
>
>  This society has broken faith with every man who has worked within the
>system, fueled industry with his sweat, and fed wars with his blood.
>The promise of a good life shared with a family has been taken from him
>through political reression, and he finds himself criminalized as a class;
>trying to work within a court system and a media environment which assumes that
>he, because he is male, punishment is acceptible because he simply MUST 
>be guilty of something.
>
>  Like I said. I do not condone criminal acts. But I can see quite easily
>why these men may feel they've run out of choices, and that society has 
>taken their labor only to ignore their needs and interests. That's political 
>repression, and no society that survives by the political repression of 
>a subgroup survives very long. It didn't work in Rome. It didn't work 
>in Germany. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. Why on EARTH do the 
>feminists think it will work here?
>
>
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Actually, I hope all you fathers out there are nowadays allowing your sons
to cry and show emotion.  I interpret this violence as being created by men
who have no way of dealing with these overwhelming emotions other than to
blame and act out against any one they can find.  The historical role of
women has been the family caretaker, which has also meant dealing with the
family emotions.  Men could not show emotion because that would be showing
a weakness.

If men were more capable of dealing with their own emotions and were less
dependent emotionally on women - they also might not become 
obsessive/possessive and kill women who try to leave them.

And mothers, this goes for you as well.  Women have an equal responsibility
to raise boys & girls who are allowed to feel and help them learn to deal with 
uncomfortable feelings as well as allowing/accepting pleasurable feelings.
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

		"Creativity overcomes violence."
				John Bradshaw on "Homecoming"