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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Rapid names
Organization: University of Utah
	<1992Jul23.163903.11156@ncar.ucar.edu>
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:04:24

In article <1992Jul23.163903.11156@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster) writes:
   >The Royal Gorge is more challenging 4's and 5+'s

   There are absolutly no V+'s on the Royal Gorge.

   >Sunshine Falls, 3 6'+ rock ledges in a row -- a 5 or worse most of the time.

   Sunshine is a IV at most levels.  Can get to V- at high water.
   There is only one pour over at the bottom which is about 3.5'.
   The whole rapid drops maybe 10' over ~150' length.

i ran the gorge last saturday, and the fact that i am alive to write
these lines corroborates chris's statement that sunshine is not nearly
V+, at least not at ~ 900 cfs.  i thought that the last hole (on river
right) in sledgehammer looked worse than the last drop at sunshine.
siedel's suckhole in brown's canyon is another meanie i'd avoid.

maybe the V+ mike was thinking about is pine creek.  we ran granite on
sunday, and pulled out at the anvil rock to look at it.  i have on
occasion agonized over whether to run a rapid, but pine creek left no
question in my mind.  i happily carried my boat the 300 or so yards,
and continued on through the numbers.

i am green with envy of those of you who have the ark practically in
your back yard.  i can't wait until the next time i pull into good old
"byoona vista" to paddle that wonderful river.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Anyone have shuttle info for Main Salmon?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:48:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCAR/UCAR

The Riggins Chamber of Commerce was not helpful.  We want a service that
will take us from the take-out (Riggins) to the put-in on the Main Fork
of the Salmon (two rafts, 8 people).  Can anyone recommend a company,
give us a phone number, or even copy an ad for us?

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Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: stamer@fang.att.com (Greg Stamer)
Subject: Isle Royale
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:43:26 GMT

I will be on Isle Royale for two weeks of sea kayak camping in August.
Although I have studied the maps and guidebooks, I would welcome
information on good routes and points of interest from paddlers who have
explored the area.

Thanks in advance!
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From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: How to ship/mail Kayaks?
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:05:06 GMT
Reply-To: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

Does anyone have information as to how to ship Kayaks within
the US? I know UPS won't take them (too large), so short of strapping 
them to the roof of my car how do I get them across country to someone
who is interested in buying them? If you have any information, 
please also indicate cost.

Thanks.
Esmail
From: billf@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Bill Faus)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:04:09 GMT
Subject: Pumps for sea kayak?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle

How does one go about deciding on a built-in pump
when purchasing a sea kayak?  I plan on avoiding
most really rough weather (North sea crossings,
Cape Horn, etc), but would like to do some solo
trips like Queen Charlotte Island.  If I have a
choice between a knee tube or a pump which should
I choose and why?  What about electric, versus
mounted, versus handheld.  Also, self-rescue
while solo would be re-entry and roll, if
that makes any difference.

Thanks for any advice.

-bill
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:41:17 EDT
From: <FYU@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: ACA vs. USCA

I would like to support either the ACA or the USCA but don't know much about
them beyond the ads in "Canoe".  Does anyone wish to express an opinion
about the advantages of joining?  (Does anyone even have an opinion?)
                                 Don  (e-mail voigt@geosc.edu.psu)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Subject: Re: aqua - kayaking camera recommendations
Keywords: kayak waterproof camera
Reply-To: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:46:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul6.153033.20261@bnr.ca> babineau@bmerh812.BNR.CA writes:
>
>I use a Minolta Weathermatic. It has an integrated flash, dual lens, is 
>bright yellow, waterproof to 30 feet and it floats.
>
>I don't believe that it has a tripod mount however.

I also own a Minolta. Mine doesn't have a tripod mount, but it takes great
pictures. Mine is also only waterproof to 15 feet (supposedly,) but I took
it SCUBA diving once and it worked to about 75 feet. (Not really a good idea
though.) It is great for underwater photos - snorkeling. I love to take it
with me kayaking.

Jennifer
horsman@geo.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: hweingra@.com (Howard Weingram)
Subject: Re: ANY ROWERS OUT THERE?
Reply-To: hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:21:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Jul14.151047.13633@cbfsb.cb.att.com> onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:
>I live in the Somerset County area of New Jersey and was on the
>crew team of my college, and wanted to ask two questions:
>
>	1) Is anyone interested in selling or aware of a business
>	   or person who is selling fiberglass single sculling
>	   shells (preferably made by Vespoli or Schoenberg)
>
>	2) Does anyone know of any rowing clubs in the New York,
>	   New Jersey, Pennsylvania area?
>	   I was interested in joining an outdoor rowing club 
>	   for the summer.

B
B
Omar -

rowing clubs actually abound in that area. some of the more
notable ones are the boathouse row clubs (Penn A.C., Vesper, etc)
in Philly, but there are also dozens of other clubs scattered over
the region, including such national competitors as New York A.C.
and. 

A good info source is 1-800-OAR-AUDI, the US Rowing Assn's info
hotline -- during the week.

it's also worth noting that every major rowing college (e.g.
Rutgers, Princeton, Penn in NJ and Pennsylvania) probably has
a graduate rowing program or one or more rowing clubs using
its boat house. the collegiate coaches are good folks to ask.

enjoy.

			hal


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From: huffstatler@esvax.avnet.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: name that sailboat contest!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:17:31 GMT
Organization: Avnet Computer - CTC Group; Culver City, CA


Name the boat contest!

OK, here's the story.  A friend of mine has a 37' Hunter Sailboat.
This is currently used as a live-aboard in Marina Del Rey, California.
He and his wife have had the boat for over a year now, and they have yet
to name the vessel.  The reason I was given was that they "just couldn't
find anything that sounds right"   so.....WE NEED TO FIND A NAME!

The boat owner is, of course, in the computer business, so the name could
be related to that or anything else you may come up with.

As far as the contest, well,  NO PRIZES. The only thing that you get out
of this is that we will post the winning boat name and the name of the 
person that has provided it.  The final name will be chosen by the boat
owner.  I will also post a summary of the interesting responses that 
may come with this request.

Please forward all responses to:

mike@esvax.avnet.com


Thank's in advance. 

Mike Huffstatler, Avnet Computer
Culver City, CA
From: nc00@eurotherm.co.uk (Neil Corlett)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lightning
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:01:40 GMT
Organization: Eurotherm Limited

The issue of Lightning protection is memtioned in 'Moby Dick'. In those 
days you wrapped chain around the mast and dropped the other end in the sea
as the X-99 owner suggested.

Neil
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Subject: Used Laser
Keywords: serial # and manufactor
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:49:52 GMT



I looked into a used Laser and want to find out more about
this particular boat's manufactor.  I am sure that are all
good but is there "lesser" quality controled year than tohers?

The serial number is ZIDB4876N84E by Hawkesbury, Ontario.
Can anyone tell me if this is a good manufactor?

Also, the sail is a multi-colored sail and the owner saied
it is a full-size sail (96ft2). I have never seen any other
sail color beside white unless it is an "radial" sail with
smaller size.  How can I tell what's the size?  It was '83
sail.

This guy is asking for $1487 without trailer, the boat is in
excellent condistion, is this a good price.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Props
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:27:29 GMT

In article <154f9vINNp3n@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, cmac@anthrax.EBay.Sun.COM
(Chris MacDonald) wrote:
> 
> Are SS props really that much better that aluminum?  What features justify
> triple the price of aluminum?
> 
> Are they really that much more rigid than aluminum; enough so that you REALLY
> notice the difference, for instance during the hole shot while waterskiing?
> 
> Chris

My hole shot improved dramatically on my old 17' Dorsett when I switched to
a SS prop, BUT I also dropped an inch in pitch and a half-inch in diameter.
 Oddly, my WOT RPM has actually gone _down_ (presumably due to replacing a
1967 aluminum prop with a modern, cupped prop).  It looks like I could have
dropped another inch in pitch with no problem, but I'm pretty happy with
the hole shot now.  It used to be impossible to avoid getting water up my
nose when starting on a slalom ski, but now I barely get my face wet and
I'm up much sooner.

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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: marshab@apex.com (Marsha Bates)
Subject: Launching in Tacoma
Keywords: Tacoma
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Distribution: regional
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:26:04 GMT

I was thinking about going sailing this weekend.  I
would like to sail from the Tacoma area south.  There
is a beach place on Harstine Island I would like to 
go to.

My question is, has anyone launched a boat from the
launch at Point Defiance?  I'm not concerned about
getting the in the water.  I'm concerned about getting
it back out.  It's a 26' sailboat with a swing keel.
I'm pulling it with a 3/4 ton Ford truck.

Does anyone know the specifics about Point Defiance?
Cost to launch, facilities, grade of the launch?
Is there somewhere else near that area that would be
a better place to launch?
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Recursion Racing Report 7/18,7/19
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:01:12 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

In article <1992Jul21.201827.5003@watson.ibm.com> dwl@watson.ibm.com writes:
> It turns out that the Larchmont Yacht Club had their computer setup wrong

	Along those same lines, earlier this season, we beat another J/24
(i.e. we rate the same) by 1 second in a race that took perhaps an hour and
a half.  Since the event is a PHRF event, the finish times all went into
the computer which proceeded to happily grind through the time-on-time
handicapping and decided that, after rounding off, our corrected times were
identical and scored us tied.  It took a few tries at pointing this out to
various committee members before the commodore understood what I was
talking about and said, "Oooooh.  This is bad".  He promised to fix it
(presumably by adding another second to the other guy's raw time).

	More to the point, he admitted that he had no idea how often
"mistakes" like this could have happend.  It was only easy to spot in this
case because two boats with the same rating got scored a tie when they
clearly finished one after to other.  Who knows how many times in the past
boats with different ratings got their corrected times screwed up and
nobody ever noticed because it wasn't so obvious?

	I don't like mixing computers with sailboats.  It's no good having
computers on board telling you how to sail the race, and it's certainly no
good having computers decide who won after it's all over.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Used Laser
Keywords: serial # and manufactor
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:30:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogre.will.712341002
Organization: Indiana University

In <1992Jul28.154952.15779@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:

>I looked into a used Laser and want to find out more about
>this particular boat's manufactor.  I am sure that are all
>good but is there "lesser" quality controled year than tohers?

>The serial number is ZIDB4876N84E by Hawkesbury, Ontario.
>Can anyone tell me if this is a good manufactor?

This is a performance Sailcraft boat.  They are better than the
Pearsons IMHO.  The brand new Sunfich/Laser boats are
reportedly good.

>Also, the sail is a multi-colored sail and the owner saied
>it is a full-size sail (96ft2). I have never seen any other
>sail color beside white unless it is an "radial" sail with
>smaller size.  How can I tell what's the size?  It was '83
>sail.

>This guy is asking for $1487 without trailer, the boat is in
>excellent condistion, is this a good price.

For a 1984 boat that price seems about right.  Especially if it
is in good shape.  Does it have any leaks?  Check the mast step
especially.  Scratches in the hull?  Aluminum cleats?  Aluminum
tiller (the wood one was standard, but everyone replaces it).  How
old is the sail?  If it is an 84 sail you are going to need a new one
sometime soon.  $330.

You may want to post this question to the Laser mailing list.  The
address of the list is laser@cica.cica.indiana.edu.  If you want
to subscribe to the Laser list send me a message.

Good luck!  The Laser is a great boat and there are many many
opportunities to race and converse with other Laser sailors.  Join
the class association ASAP.  The newsletter contains lots of valuable
information and will put you in touch with regatta information and
other sailors in your area.  

Will

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: Anybody know anything about Evelyn boats???
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<92202.164925U13792@uicvm.uic.edu>
	<msolomon-210792074204@mac61177.mitre.org.>
	<21JUL199209512549@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<1992Jul21.145944.20842@watson.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:12:39 GMT

There are two completely different Evelyn 32 designs.

The first (older) one is Dennis' bizzare 1/2 tonner, which rates
between 150 and 162 nationally, the second is the ultralight, which
rates between 84 and 99 nationally.  There seem to be many more of the
second than the first with PHRF certificates.

Dunno what the dates are on the models, though.

Steph


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: Buying LASER sails ...
Keywords: sails, prices
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:33:17 GMT

In <1992Jul30.172816@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> lars@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Lars Bomholt) writes:



>In a recent article in this newsgroup (Used LASER or so)
>I read that a new LASER sail goes for about $330 in the
>US. Here in Switzerland they charge SFr.750, i.e. $570
>at the current exchange rate. I find this a bit escessive
>for a mass-produced sail with no extraordinary quality (shape).

>Is there a mail order company in the States where I can
>get one? If somebody knows one, please mail me its
>address and Fax number.


You can ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu   Log in as anonymous and
go to the /pub/laser directory.  There is a file there called
dealers.txt that is a list of all of the Laser dealers that I
know of.  I would recommend either Annapolis Performance Sail
or International Marine Marketing Company.  Though IMMC may not
sell to individuals.

The sails made in England are reportedly better than the old
sails made here, but North Sails is now cutting the North American
sails and it is a little flatter.  Some people think this is better,
others don't.  I haven't heard anything decisive yet.

Let me know if you don't have ftp access and I'll mail you the
list.

Will

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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: How to measure speed across the water
Keywords: speed boat navigation
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:06:53 GMT

In <1992Jul31.150512.16497@cbnews.cb.att.com> jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) writes:

>Netters:
>	I have a sailboat and I want to cruise. I have been studying 
>the Chapman navigation book and have found it very useful. I am 
>learning how to construct my DR plot and discovered something lacking.
>That is, a way to measure my speed across the water. I don't have a
>device aboard that will provide that for me other than, perhaps, a
>watch.

>	Does anyone know of a device that I can use periodically to
>determine my speed -- and where to get it?

>	I was hopeing for something like the wind gauge -- e.g., you stick
>a hose in the water and you get a reading -------

There's something like this for speed boats, but I'm not sure it's
accurate enough to use at sailing speeds.  There's a stern-mounted
tube that points forward, creating pressure that moves the needle on a
speedometer.  I doubt mine is accurate within 5 mph (yes -- it really
does read mph instead of knots).

Maybe go to old sailors' garage sails and look for an old-fashioned
towing log, the type with a mechanical guage activated by a towed
propeller -- does anyone know what one of these would sell for these
days?
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From: ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Freedom 21
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:27:33 GMT
Distribution: na


A freind of mine has the shoal draft f-21.  I believe he got it because of the
simplicity of the cat rig (he single-hands a lot) and he seems completely
satisfied with it.  I've been out on it a couple of times, and while we haven't
had enough wind to really know how it sails, it certainly is nicely built. His
own comment is that with the shoal draft (really useful here on the columbia
river), it doesn't point up super well, but it is very fast off the wind. The
cat rig with the lazy jacks makes putting the sail up and down a piece of
cake!

	steve soar
From: cackowsk@irisa.fr (Frederic Cackowski)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Wanted : BOAT : J24
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:43:43 GMT
Organization: Irisa, Rennes(FR)


	A friend of mine is looking for a J24, so if one of you has

	got one to offer for sale please contact him. Here is his 

	address and name :

		Mr Michel Moysan
		26, rue Thiers
		56 400 Le Bono
		France

		tel : 97.57.85.46

ps : please, avoid to e-mail me, :-), I'm no sea-hunter, thanks.

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From: martinka@aspen.NSA.HP.COM (Joe Martinka)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:20:02 GMT
Subject: Re: What can rip a mainsail?
Organization: HP Networked Systems Architecture - Cupertino, CA