HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Turkish Businessmen in Former Soviet Republics
Summary: jumping to conclusions
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:52:32 GMT
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies

In article <1992Nov4.185305.15349@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun)
wrote:

[CA] Seeing your message in SCT after a long time, made me
[CA] think that Davidian probably was belong to the Raffi
[CA] Hovanazian's (sp?) party who has recently got the boot from 
[CA] the Armenian Republic by the president Ter-Petrosian.

Maybe I returned from the most recent space shuttle mission as well as causing
all the instability in Abkhazia.

[CA] This message somehow substantiate what I was thinking.

Are you referring to the space shuttle or that I was able to be in Armenia and 
the United States, at the same time, since 1988?

[CA] Since you had jumped to conclusion about Mutlu being a Turkish
[CA] goverment agent when you heard the Armenian File on Turkish 
[CA] Voice at the same time Mutlu was posting the same file in
[CA] SCT, my theory should have the same credibility 8-).  

Are you saying that I jump to conclusions? Look at what you wrote!

[CA] Would you care to elaborate what happened, why you guys have made the 
[CA] president so mad like that.                    ^^^^^^^^
                                                       |
[CA] Cengiz Akgun                                      |
                                                       |
Come on Cengiz, you know that your conclusion is "non-sequitur", and thus
has no response.

As to what happened between Armenia's Foreign Minister, Raffi Hovanessian and
the Armenian president, I really don't know. However, there are rumors that it
may have some connection with the speech Mr. Hovanessian gave in Turkey last 
month.

Well, Cengiz, I didn't expect such an article from you. You do indeed have a
wild imagination :-)!





-- 
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org "It has been ever thus in all things, son, 
SDPA Center for Regional Studies    Whatever we thrash we give to the wind, 
P.O. Box 382761                     We too have been blown by the world's wind
Cambridge, MA 02238                 The chaff is gone but the grain remains." 
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From: e_alper@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: FENERBAHCE-GALATASARAY
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:24:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: guvax.1992Nov9.152432.1698
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Nov9.094042.6241@gw.wmich.edu>, 988fernandez@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 
>         	FENERBAHCE : 1           GALATASARAY : 0
> 
>  Fenerbahce'nin golu Aykut'tan.Iki takim da denk futbol oynamis.Aykut'un golu
> baya guzelmis.
>  Cekoslavakya faciasi sonrasi Cuma gunu istifa eden ve ancak Galatasaray'i
> yenersek geri gelirim diyen Metin ASIK dileginin gerceklesmesi uzerine tekrar
> baskan . Fenerbahceli taraftarlar mac boyu takimlarindan cok kuskun baskana
> tezahurrat yapmislar.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  CIM BOM'A KOYDUK SIRA KARTALDA. EN BUYUK FENER.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

x-squeeze me?   baking powder?

(:-)

Emre


> 
> 
> BILGEHAN GOKMEN.
>
From: hhrant@ocf.berkeley.edu (Helgge Minassian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Elvis is Alive!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 02:37:39 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

	Huriot News_ 11/07/92

      After years of speculation, Elvis Presley, also known
   as the "King Of Rock and Roll" was discovered yesterday
   in Southeastern Turkey by some Turkish Soldiers.  Elvis
   Presley had apparently been hiding in one of the Kurdish
   strong-holds for the last decade.  When asked why he had
   chosen that area as his hiding place, he responded that
   he liked the weather and the food there.  Although all
   Western nations are extatic of the news, former Turkish 
   General Ahmet Gelirgi stressed that an ethnic check of 
   Elvis had to be done in order to make sure he wasn't the
   cause of increased Kurdish activity since 1984.  "His
   grandmother might be Kurdish or Armenian", he added.
      In a related story, 1.5 Million Armenians which were
   previously thought to have been massacred between 1915 and
   1920 were also found alive in the area.



   Iktenlikle Sizin,

   Helgge
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human,misc.headlines
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Gav*0" forgot to wear the "ASALA/SDPA/ARF" skirt for "Young Turks".
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 22:19:15 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <9211041439.AA31366@bashan.cs.wisc.edu> gavriel@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Gavrielatos) writes:

>  I AM COMING  AFTER YOU  N O W !!

With or without a "palik" skirt? 

>PS: YOUR ASS IS M I N E !!

As always, the young Turks will have more than enough lap for you
to sit on. 

Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.

This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: 

a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most 
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional 
Republic in Berlin during World War II; 

b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social 
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members 
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' 

c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves 
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, 

d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side 
by side with the Wehrmacht.

In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network 
of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands 
of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and 
Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column 
activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were 
promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement 
signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can 
be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) 
On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens 
alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered 
the war.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Zap* the criminal" of IBM violated the US criminal and copyright laws.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:02:11 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov5.050042.3073@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zaphiri@zoro.cis.temple.edu (Zaphiris Christidis) writes:

>Yes, he has been to the same hospital and he has visited the same doctor
>Jack Nickolson had visited in his movie BATMAN! 

And your crimes will not go unpunished, "Zap the criminal" of IBM. Well, 
I'll not waste words.

  <<As a result of the tension now existing between Israel and the Muslim
  world, it long has been assumed that the anti Semitism to which the Jews
  of the Ottoman Empire were subjected over the centuries was the result
  of Muslim antipathy for Judaism and Jews, and that it was carried out
  largely by Muslims. This idea was spread by Christian nationalist groups
  within and outside the Ottoman Empire for the purpose of gaining the
  support of world Jewry for their causes. At times, moreover, these groups
  even stimulated Muslim attacks on their own people to gain the support
  of the Christian nations of Europe [1]. The fact, however, was quite
  different. It was the Muslim Turks who invited Jews to the Ottoman Empire
  as they were driven out of western Europe and Russia by massacres, blood
  libels, and persecutions of all sorts. It was the Muslim Turks who
  provided Ottoman Jewry with the kind of opportunities and protection
  which enabled them to prosper during four centuries of Ottoman rule.
  During the centuries of Ottoman decline which began in the seventeenth
  century, it was the Ottoman Turks who provided Jews with what protection
  they could against the advancing anti-Semitism of Christians both within
  and outside the Empire. During the nineteenth and early twentieth
  centuries in particular it was Christian armies invading the Ottoman
  Empire as well as Christian national movements arising within that
  carried out most of the mass attacks, persecution and massacres which
  decimated much of Ottoman Jewry before World War I despite the continued
  protection provided by the Ottoman government.>>

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: gundogansa@mwk.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Nazi Oglu Niyazi
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:40:07 CST
Organization: M. W. Kellogg, Houston TX

In article <1992Nov4.034709.14245@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, 
                                 guncer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu writes: 

> "Kro'nun" yazdiklarinin en asagilik bir sekilde irkcilik olduguna
> katiliyorum. Ancak tepkimi sct'ye yollamadim. 
>
> Buraya her adres forge edip ortaligi alevlendirmek isteyenlere hak
> ettikleri yaniti vermek bir anlamda onlarin oyununa gelmek olmaz mi?

Bu, yanitin niteligine bagli. Biri cikarda, "bende seninkinin" gibi baslarsa,
evet, "oyuna gelmis" - daha dogrusu oyuna "katilmis" olur.  Buna karsilik,
birisi gosterilen ahlaksizligi lanetliyorsa, ozune aldiris etmeden, o
zaman hayir.  Aslinda, ikincisi parcasi olduklari her hangi bir toplumun
gelecegini dusunenler icin bir sorumluluktur, bence.  Nazi akimlari soz
konusu oldugunda ise, bu hayati onem kazanmaya baslar.

> "Kro" "Uneversity of Colorado'dan" yaziyor, gercek adresinin Norvec'te
> oldugunu herkes gordu. Baska bir "phd" ise "Drexal" (!) universitesinden 
> yaziyor. Biraz daha akilli bir adres forging yapmis. 
>
> Bu tur cocukluklarla ugrasmaya degmez derim. Uzaktan kumanda sinirlerinizin
> bozulmasina izin vermeyin. 
>
> Ote yandan daha buyuk cocuklar belirledikleri bir nefret platformunu
> bizlere mesrulastirdiklarinda soz soyleyemiyorsak etnik temizlikciler,
> naziler, vb.. kapimiza geldiginde yapacagimiz da gene susmak olacaktir. 
> Yazdiginiz "Turkiye'de bu kafanin hakim olmasi tehlikesine" karsi tek 
> onlemimiz bavullari hazir tutmak olmamali.

Buyuk cocuklar da, kucuk cocuklarda - bunlar ayni resimin ayrilmaz parcalari.
Buyuklerin etkilemek istedikleri o kucuk cocuklar aslinda, yoksa o an'la,
san'la "mucadele" ettikleri degil.  O kahramanca "savunmasini" yaptiklari 
toplumu aslinda ne kadar lekelerler - gun isigi gibi ortadayken, o yuzden 
umurlarinda olmaz.

Nazo hastaligini bilmem tarif etmeye gerek varmi?  Ana temeli kin.  Ortalikta
ne kadar kin ve korku yaratabilirse, o kadar gelisebilir.  Baslangicta bir
avuc akilsizdan yanki alir.  Seslerine o yankilarda karistikca, titresimleri
o kadar artmis olur.  Sessiz kalan cogunluga gelince, once "bana ne, baskalari
dusunsun" den,  "aman bana dokunmasinlarda" ya, sonra da "katilmasam, bana da
dusman bakarlar" a gecer. Basta ses cikarmadiktan sonra, hastalik ilerledikce
bir seyler yapmasi imkansiz olur.  Sonucta, iste sana nazo imparatorlugu.  Kin
ve korku ile beslenmistir ve ancak kin ve korku ile yasayabilir.  Sonuclarini 
tarih tekrar ve tekrar, ve tekrar gostermistir.  

>> Ya insan haklari ve demokrasi prensiplerine dayali, baris icinde ticaret
>> yapan, ileri bir toplum olacagiz - ki firsatlar dolu,  ya da bu nazi
>> kafasiyla *ok yiyen Niyazi.
>
> Firsatlar cok degil ne yazik ki, ve var olabilecek herhangibir iyi niyeti
> bozmaya hazir her taraftan akillimiz da cok.
>
> Selim Guncer

Mehmet Gundogan
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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:34:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: golem.rabjab.244.721280081
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


>  Birobidzhan is the only place on Earth, where one
>could find _real_ Jews. A little bit frosen, but otherwise
>well-preserved ones.
>:-)

Birobidzhan is the capital of the Jewish A.O.  Why are the Jews
there?  Were they banished there by Stalin, or is there another
reason?  And so close to a disputed boundry with China (the Amur river)!
Certainly Jews are not there of their own free will or was it
a choice they couldn't refuse?

-------------------------------
Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: More blasphemy /Re: A blasphemy /Re: An end to Culture.SOVIET
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:42:55 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Nov5.182504.45439@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes a lot of mostly true words about Vysotsky (Uah!!)
and Rosenbaum (Booh!)

In conclusion he says
>Generally speaking, Vysotsky is for true men, Rosenbaum
>is for wimps. Make your choice - nobody forces U 2 listen the
>music U don't like, and let everybody listen what he deserves.

I've just one comment: Rosenbaum is rather typical and consequently
edifying example of talented man who lost or sold or didn't care
to realize his talent probably because of the weakness of the soul.

>-- 
>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.

thus spoke igor, who met billions of unslayed pigs everywhere
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Some private news from Moscow
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:38:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1e1405INN9n5@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <Bxnx3q.2wA@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>>
>>    If the rouble is so undervalued, one could make a fortune by
>>    exchanging dollars for roubles. Shall we assume that the friend of 
>>    yours has already put his dollars where his mouth is?  Or, is he 
>>    waiting till the rouble hits new lows against the dollar (current 
>>    forecast is 500r/$ in December)?
>>
>You are so clever, but not the first of the kind. Not regarding large-
>scale barter operation (or dollars-roubles-goods-dollars kind), people
>are amuggling goods to make profit. Moscow newspapers are full with
>with advertisment of "shop tours". If you will visit russian second
>hand shop in SF would see the result yourself. That's the cheapest
>place were you can buy real French parfume. 

    What's your point?  The reason "real French parfume" in Russia
    is so cheap is that it is all being manufactured in Odessa
    (na Maloi Arnautskoi ulitse:).

    The exchange rate in Russia is pretty much determined by 
    the free market forces (of which the "shop tours" is a tiny 
    segment), meaning that the rouble is neither under- nor 
    overvalued.



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: all opinions are mine.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Fylologi fleim
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:13:03 GMT
 <1992Nov8.205448.17234@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov9.031755.16346@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv



In his article
mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>In his article
zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>>In his article 
>>mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:

>>>  "Phylology" is the synonym to "impotence"

>>Only for those who cannot spell.

>    OK, sorry :

>    "Philology" is the synonym to "impotence"

"Fylologi" ys ze sinonim to "ympotens"

"In the name of a freedom of a personal choice we revoke
the spelling!" - A. Krychenykh.


               G.G. Allin --You Hate Me & I Hate You

         Well you hate me and I hate you.  You never understand the
    things that I say or do. (So what's new?)  You never liked me so I
    say "Fuck you!"  You know you know that you don't like me and I
    don't like you...

         You never listen to my point of view.  (I'm telling you!)
    Why don't you all drop dead your fucking fools (it's you who
    lose.) You never wanted me so I say "Fuck you!"  You know you know
    that you don't like me and I don't like you...

         You never like that things I say or do (So What'cha gonna
    do?) Why don't you all go home and go back to school (with your
    golden rule).  Mindless thoughtless puppets (Who needs you?)

         You know you know that you don't like me and I don't like
    you...
         You know you know that you don't like me and I don't like
    you...
         You know you know that you don't like me so I say fuck you...


That's *real* philology you, Misha, have no guts at.
All philology discussions with people who don't
understand how the humanities work are absurd.


As Mandelshtam wrote "Cto byla matushka-filologiya
i chem stala... Byla vsya krov', vsya neterpimost'
a stala - psya-krov'. Stala psya-terpimost'."

He meant that philology done by diplomed dweebs
who can only compute numbers of occurencies
of quotes here and there and comment on these
quotes is virtually useless... 

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: An end to Culture.SOVIET!
Originator: igor@punch.cs.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:39:23 GMT


In article <BxGuH8.26G@max.physics.sunysb.edu>, LANDSBERG@sbhep2.physics.sunysb.edu (Gregory Landsberg) writes:

> > Misha.
> 
> Dear Misha,
> 
> Right! Just probably  you don't know that the  culture is essentially WEAK.
> There was a lot of examples when some culture has been messed up for years,
> if not  centuries  because of  autocracy or  whatever. And I  am pleased to
> forward your remark about ``x-Soviet pattern of authoritarian thinking'' to
> Vladimir Nabokov whom I cited in the phrase about the defending of culture.
> 
There was a story/anecdote: A war is going on, and a soldier meets a professor:
Soldier: Hey, man, what have you done for the culture of the country I am 
fighting for?
Professor: Young man, I _am_ the culture of the country you are fighting for!

> Cheers,
> 
> Greg
> 
> P.S.  Never mind  culture -  you have a  really good  coffee in  Cambridge!
> (``Zato u nas samij luchshij cognak...'') - GL
> 

--Igor P.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.books
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Venedikt Erofejev: Moskva - Petushki
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:17:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.205448.17234@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.003753.6144@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
>mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>
>>  "Phylology" is the synonym to "impotence"
>
>Only for those who cannot spell.
>
    OK, sorry :

    "Philology" is the synonym to "impotence"
     ^^^^^^^^^


>cordially,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
>
>P.S. May a deviant demiurge, the plenipotentiary protector of all
>philologists, and sworn enemy of phylologist scum, predicate your
>pulsating promontories with his pustulent peacemaker, until his
>syphilitic jism flows in great spurts from your bulging eyeballs.
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: YAJJ (Yet Another Jewish Joke)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:43:05 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


>"Well, you see rabbi," answers the wife, "it's never been too good
>between us, but we did have a son and two daughters...  and we just
>didn't want to go through it before all the kids had died."

To which the Rabbi answers, "for the sake of your grandchildren,
you will stay together".

---------------------------
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "Groby"
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.192019.17180
Distribution: world
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <5NOV199220240903@vms.huji.ac.il> vic@vms.huji.ac.il (VICTOR HALPERIN) writes:

>Plot a strait line connecting the diagonals intersection point with
>intersection point of a pair of sides, then construct a perpendicular
>to this line passing through the intersection point of other pair of
>sides. Repeat the construction interchanging the pairs of sides.
>The intersection point of the two perpendiculars will be the center.

>Not bad. I got something of similar difficulty at the same exam.
>Regarding other students of my year I guess there did study some ten
>of them (out of 475) who could possibly solve it in 15 minutes.

>Victor Halperin, a former mech-mat student.

Is the legend that Kolmogorov was sitting through the whole exam true?

Or was it another Galperin? I guess the true story is interesting from
the historical point of view in any case. 

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet