From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:09:36 GMT

Jeeze, and to think that I even took 120 seconds to look up the turntable
case cite - the parent case in A.N. in the US... This is like trying to
pound sand - could several posturing persons a) get a clue, and b) get
into a better newsgoup, like alt.snooze?

In article <7025@transfer.stratus.com> leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.013608.26231@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
[in reply to something by Phil, omitted]

>It's just your feeling and your judgement that it is still an unacceptable
>risk.  If you're doing a good job of teaching your children values and
>respect why are you so worried about it.  If you're not, they why aren't
>you?  Just because you are doing your best doesn't mean it is enough and
>I'm forced to cover for you.

All right, I'm going to be offensive. Look you cretin, the parents in the
turntable case didn't know of the turntable's existance, the rail road did
not make current use of it and it was not secured physically, nor fenced,
nor guarded. The ten-year old got a foot crushed doing what he'd observed
some other children doing. The parents and the child were immigrants.

The court found that the rail road was liable, and have so held ever since.

Anyone who rants about not being liable for A.N. is just waiting for life
to construct the forseable circumstances and place a personal injury action
at their feet... which I personally think is fine, lawyers need the work
and transfering such persons' assets to less developmentally disadvantaged
persons is an obvious good.

Folks, the ugly usually end up before the bench, either trying to say that
they are above the law, or that law isn't, they pay damages.

>If you teach your children a few golden rules the pool isn't a hazard.
>All you have to do is teach your children to ask first, not just do,
>go, and take what they want.  They should get used to this at an early
>age, because this will be the situation for the remainder of their lives.
>They aren't going to be allowed to do whatever and get whatever they want.

Bzzt, and thank you for playing solve-the-world today. The issue is larger
than mere suburban pools and golden rules. The arbitrary hazard and the
ability to form judgements as to the consequences of arbitrary situations
and artifacts -- from high voltage to unusual domestic animals, for minors
and morons is.

>I look at it more as a basic values and respect issue.  Parents who
>fail to teach their children a few basic values aren't proper parents.

Let me guess, you'd go for a child-endangerment removal of the turntable
child... If you are not a parent, piss off. If you are, well do the best
you can and don't be shy about calling the County any time you don't feel
up to the task.

>Accepting your view opens a whole can of worms.  How far do you take these
>laws.  When is the child or parent finally responsible?  Who decides this?
>Jurys are push overs for minors and crying parents.

I'd reply to the question you ought to be asking, but with your TV mentality
of P.I. actions for A.N., this would be like teaching a pig to sing.

End of irritated-with-this-thread-and-the-politicos-in-it mode.


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