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From: szhang@bcm.tmc.edu (Shide Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What's wrong with HXWZ?
Date: 21 Aug 1992 19:23:24 GMT

Did anyone receive today's Hua Xia Wen Zhai (Aug 21)? I checked my EMail
box several times this morning, but 'no mail today' was the only meassage
I got. I tried ftping ahkcus.org, the latest issue stored there was
cm9208b.gb (I believe today's HXWZ should be cm9208c).

I didn't mean to blame those HXWZ guys, not at all. They have done a great job
and I appreciate 'em. They must have got some unexpected troubles in
sending HXWZ out, I guess.

If anyone knows something about that, please say something in SCC! ( I
checked SCC trying to found some annoucement from HXWZ and I got nothing).

I do wish you HXWZ guys good luck!

------------------
szhang@bcm.tmc.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
    <1992Aug21.193800.3343@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:10:41 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

include original file? (y/n) y
nn: cpu time/usefulness ratio too high -- core dumped.
Ooops!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:48:01 GMT


>>  In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
>>somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
>>then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
>>of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
>>here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after April 11, 1990.
>>I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
>>would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
>>protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
>>We should report our situation to IFCSS.

You are really funny, the Amecrican funnest people.
Were you one of those the most patriotic persons on net?
Still, your frankness is appreciated.

F. Wang


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao)
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:13:44 GMT


I agree with you on this point.

Now the question is what is the best way to deal with this?

Two things:
1. Borrow as much as possible from Japan and the don't return the money;
2. Find some excuses and nuk the whole japan.

Take you pick.

Tao
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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:02:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug19.210247.9394
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Aug19.165741.29568@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >Even though there were conflict and border dispute. It was China who caused  
the  
> >conflict. Vietnam was not so stupid to hit both Cambodia and China at the  
same  
> >time. So China has no excuse.
> 
> 
> Oh, really. Then the Iraq is so stupid to hit US first?
> 
> >Carl

Iraq hit Kuwait first instead of the US. 

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:45:23 GMT

In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
>ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
>called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
>used to by Americans.
There were elections before 1949!( Kuo Da Dan Biao were elected).
From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Worthless Jap's Apology
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:26:41 GMT



I thought this should be a least controversial subject.  But it seems 
some boy-scouts in scc don't understand this world well.  Here is
my 2 cents thoughts, maybe redundant, but is helpful to those boys
in understanding this world.

In this world a real man should not care whether or not a bully
has made a "sincere" "regret" or "apology" or whatever for the crime
he has committed.  A real man should care whether or not this bully
could get ANOTHER CHANCE to do it again.   There is no doubt that the  
bully would do a crime again if he got second chance, no matter how 
sincere his "regret" was/is.   There is simply no such thing as   
"sincere regret" from a bully.  Clear?

There is no doubt Japs* would invade China again IF they have another 
chance even if they had made a 10000000000000000000 times apologies!
The key is we should make our country stronger and don't let Japs
have a second chance. Whether or not Japs want to apology is up to
them, but in my view, it has little worth.

I alway feel pissed off whenever I read in People's Daily about
Japanese's saying to the effect that "Japanese and Chinese should
not fight against each other again".  It sounds like Sino-Jap War
was caused by misunderstanding between Chinese and Japs.  What the
heck is this?!  If Japs want to provoke Chinese into another invasion
war, we will definitely fight back.  It is up to Japs whether or not
we will fight against each other again.   

That is all my 2 cents.
-----
* Japs is my favorite word refering Japanese whenever I talk to my
countryfellows.  So if you are a Japanese and dislike this word,
it is your fault to peep this newsgroup. (In case you are happy 
with this word, then both of us are happy.  How wonderful this
world would be?) If you are a Chinese and dislike this word, then
I couldn't care less.

--------------------

T.T.Wu
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS HQ NR-4008: Protection Bill Indeed Passed House
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:16:57 GMT


**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4008       August 20, 1992
            PROTECTION BILL INDEED PASSED THE HOUSE
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

            Protection Bill Indeed Passed the House
            =======================================

Dear IFCSS Members:

    The suspension concerning the status of the protection
bill now should come to an end. Mr. Hou Junwei has just
released the newest result of his research which confirms
that the Protection Bill (S.1216) has indeed been passed
by the House. The Bill now is waiting for the concurrence of
the Senate. 

    Obviously, Mr. Hou has put a lot of time and energy
into the investigation of the situation. He has provided
valuable help to the campaign in the past. We should thank
him and wish he will continue to help us in the future.

    The protection campaign is a learning process for
all of us. We are learning the functions of democracy and
we are learning how to use our rights to protect our
interests.

    The HQ understands that the whole CSS community is
waiting for intructions from D.C. That message has been
conveyed to our people in charge of the lobby activities
and the HQ was told (on the past Monday) that a report
would be released soon. 

    Thank you for your attention.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
From: 89p2820@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:15:07 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug17.022917.20735@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:
> In article <Aug.16.22.13.03.1992.5167@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
>>[garbage deleted]
>>
> Remember. I think the Chinese deserve an apology, I'm just getting
> tired of these rationalizations you put forward such that you're not
> guilty of your own atrocities against your own people. Or even of
> calling Japanese japs. I have seen no apology offered for that slur.
> I've only seen a rationalization that went: "what else do you expect
> from chinese with agony in their hearts?" When you get your own act
> together you'll have a better chance at getting the apology you so
> desparately crave.
> 
> Japan will not, arguably should not, walk into an oppressive, police
> state and *officially* apologize for anything. I don't even think
> the Emperor of Japan should even be *going* to China, but I guess
> the Japanese want your markets so you're stuck with them. And your
> gov't wants Japanese investments so I guess you could say you've
> both already made up with each other.

Your gugs beat about the bush. I couldn't agree more with "tvp"( sorry for
not knowing the person's name). According his robber's logic that chinese
deserve an apology but your gugs asked too muc. Many Japanese already feell
sorry in their hearts (???), but you even ask the Emperor of Great, Great,
Great JAPAN to say sorry and to get compansation. That is ridiculous to ask so
after nearly 50 years. Japanese did kill tenth of millions of chinese, did
rape tenth of thousands of chinese women, did buried lot of chinese alive, did
do the Bio_Chemical experiementes and use the Bio_Chemical weapon to kill
chinese, did robber valueless treasure to Japan from China ...... But What's
wrong with that ? Japan had nowhere to but did so and it was for the Great
Japan to win the Great war which would not only benfit Japan but China, Korea
and many nationes in the world as well. It is the fact that many relative of
the victimes dead of Japanese "prograss" to China and many killer from that war
are still alive. But that already be the history. Look at the history did
chinese treat his neighbor nation fare and look at the future chinese will
certainty do the same things to Japan if she has half of the chance. If you
don't understand that is the fact then you know nothing about this civilized
world.

All in all, it is right for Japan not paying the apology to China and Should
not pay the apology to China now and future. It is Chinese who should pay the
apology to Japan for asking too much from Japan.

Yaming
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,alt.visa.us
From: li@gauss.casr.fau.edu (Charlie Li)
Subject: Re: protection bill
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:06:46 GMT

Tina.Cheng@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tina Cheng) writes:

>interesting question about the definition of Chinese National. I have a

It seems that the Bill defined Chinese National as PRC national.
Nationality is determined by citizenship if no dual-citizenship is
involved.

Charlie Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Golden age of Taiwan?
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:35:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to the Cambridge History of China (vol.15, 1991), the economy
of Taiwan was taken off in the period of 1960s. During these ten years,
the increase rate was at 20% and the inflation rate kept at 2% - 3%.
The per capita GNP in 1950 was US$200, whereas the per capita GNP in
1982 was US$1,800.
From: zhao@ACSC.COM (Kenneth Zhao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who knows the CPU time difference?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:58:52 GMT
Organization: ACSC, Los Angeles

In article <1992Aug17.144229.26113@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> Pan write:
>In article <92228.043728XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>I think that Fortran is faster than Pascal as the latter need to load or
>download subroutines into memory when ever the subroutines are called or
>returned. This is one of the reasons I can remember now. But in this way
>the Fortran can not do recursive jobs.
>
>Tingli Pan                             

I am afraid the above statement is not right. You can state bluntly that
Fortran is faster or slower than Pascal. The speed of a program depends
on how you design it and what operation you desire to have.

On the other hand, Pascal does not need to load or down load subroutines.
The executables of both Fortran and Pascal are compiled before they are
loaded into the memory. During the run time, both Fortran and Pascal
executables are stay within memory. I think what you referred to is
the "context swithing". However, both Fortran and Pascal involve context
switching. Thus you cannot make comparison based on this ground.

It is purely a preference whether to use Fortran or Pascal. If you think
your program runs too slow, go back and change your design, or use the
optimization when compile if you haven't.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:26:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.011747.20677@oracle.us.oracle.com>, kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
|> >
|> >        As ROP national conference opening at Houston, the competition
|> >war for new presidency between Bush and Clinton is getting fiercer.
|> >Economy is hottest topic in the States. But the rest of world may concern
|> >more what change of US foreign policy than the recovery of US regression. 
|> >       It is hard to say who will win the goal. Bush would be another minority
|> >president (like Pres. Kennedy) for next term. Personally I'd prefer to Bush.
|> >As a veteran politician, Bush has shown his qualification of being leadership
|> >in the world affairs. With long-term experience on diplomacy, he knows
|> >how to deal games with foreign countries including China. Frankly speaking,
|> >he is friendly to China. After proclaiming to "clean" House (Capitol) on his
|> >next term, Bush could carry out his plans. And US would increase rapidiy,
|> >5% or 10% ? who knows! Well, should Americans bet all their properties on
|> >Clinton ?  Not good deal. His blueprint plans sound good, but who can sure
|> >what the result is, not to mention his hardly experience on foreign relations.
|> >Bush at least could blame Capitol for every fault. I wonder who could be 
|> >accused by Clinton in the future, Japan, Taiwan? Maybe China too.
|> >
|> >cqu
|> 
|> On the China issue Clinton is just a typical crowd pleasing politician saying
|> things that the uninformed American public wants to hear.  He doesn't talk
|> about the complex dynamics of Chinese politics and economic development
|> and how the US can really help the Chinese people. Instead he tries to
|> gain political capital by bashing Bush for trying to stay close to China,
|> something the vast majority of the Chinese people, pro-Communist or not, want.


|> 
|> Clinton is very dishonest.
Bush's record has been associated with dishonest events like October suprise, 
Iran contra scandel and agriculture loan for Iraq to arm millitary force. 

|> I predict that if elected he will have the rare
|> honor of being an undisputedly terrible president.
BUsh have been proved to be an undisputedly terrible president.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Hazard of smoking after sex
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:33:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.090807.7859@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>I picked this one up from Simon Hoggart's column in the Observer
>yesterday.  He claims it made the news last week, though I missed it.
>Good enough to pass on, though.
>
>A couple returning from Margate on the train made love twice in full
>view of the other passengers.  They were only stopped, and subsequently
>arrested, afterwards, when they had the temerity to light a cigarette
>in a non-smoking compartment.
>
>-- 
>Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: Tina.Cheng@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tina Cheng)
Subject: Re: protection bill
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:15:50 GMT

Hi netters,
   Just read the article about the protection bill and have a
interesting question about the definition of Chinese National. I have a
friend who was borned in China and later moved to Hongkong. She is a CI
holder. She came to the U.S. to study in 1986. So, is she a Chinese
National? If yes, then is she eligible to apply for advance parole under
President Bush's executive order to protect Chinese student? I heard there
was a court case about 2 years ago in California which was in favor of the
person from Hongkong. Thanks in advance for your information.
Rgds/Tina

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with HXWZ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:20:43 GMT

Could someone post it on scc? Thanks.

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Shut the Hell up! Some of you Netters!
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:54:29 GMT

mm@doge.phys.um.edu (Matt Macura) writes:
: There are at least one third of the articles in this Newsgroup that either
: sounds really boring or looks really ugly. I don't really understand why some
: people keep buffling on something for damn too long. I don't think some of the
: guys here should be allowed to shoot craps all over the place like they did.
: Clean up the fights, man!

Hey man, haven't you heard of the saying 'Different strokes for
different folks'? Just because you happen to have superficial
understanding of what's going on in this newsgroup does not mean that
the postings are useless. Furthermore, freedom of speech is not
exclusive to Americans only. Don't criticise what you don't understand.

Chen Jinwei
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Is this racist?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:57:36 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug14.125747.14475@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>> 
>>           "The Chinese may be polite, but they know how to work thro
>>           the system .... My chinese friends told me to be strict with
>>           chinese and chinese will run all over you if you let them."
>> 
B
>
>It is not racist (racist insists supremacy/infereority of a certain race),

It is racist to associate behavior or stereotype people.  To convienently
stereotype or peghole a diverse group makes it easier to dehumanize and
alienate the target from yourself.  The Nazis propaganda sprewed out lies of
the greedy Jews who were supposed to control the German economy.  Labelling the
Jews as greedy and evil made it easier to send the 6 million Jews to their
deaths with practically no outcry from the German citizenry.
Think of the millions who were persecuted, suffered and died as direct result
of the witch hunt known as the Cultural Revolution, or the ones who were branded
counter-revolutionaries because of the 100 flowers bloom.

>but it's definitely racial discrimination (taking action according to
>the race of your subject).  Or to be more precise, it is nationality
>discrimination, since Chinese in his memo does not refer to a race but
>a nationality.  All Chinese, including Tibetans, Mogolians, Hans, Tuyas, 

Well over 90% of the China's citizens are of Han stock.  Realistically in
all practical purposes Chinese is a race (han).


>they will run all over you if you let them.  These damned Chinese!
>
Thats nice to know, about these *damned* Chinese.

-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23041 soc.culture.hongkong:9808 soc.culture.japan:6714 soc.culture.taiwan:11907
From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 16 Aug 92 05:35:50 GMT
    <Aug14.161413.59887@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> 
    <1992Aug15.15635.21930@ms.uky.edu> <Bt0wHF.KM7@world.std.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:

>The US did apologize for the detention camps and the US did make reparations.
>Late and little respectively.... but they did do these things.

TRUE (emphasis on late and little though). MY MISTAKE. I apologize (promptly
and greatly! :)

>As far as your leap of unfaith (don't know what else to call it) that connects
>the detention with McCarthy's witch hunt..... Although you will presumably
>find some overlap between the populations (statistically almost certain), I
>have never heard of any evidence that there was a wide spread policy of this
>sort. Could you enlighten me with some historical references?

I didn't CONNECT McCarthy and the witchhunts, I correlated them. If you didn't
understand what I meant, I'm happy to clarify:
The witch hunts had no evidence or fact to back up accusations, either.
If you mean historical evidence? Well we all know that the Salem Witch hunts
were only the start.. They spread throughout Mass. and only stopped when 
someone went too far and accused the Governor's wife of being a witch.
Only one state, but a very populous one (considering the time period).
If you mean historical evidence about McCarthy, you must be joking.. The 
most obvious piece of history is that many people and professionals were
asked to sign an affidavit stating that they were not now (or have ever
been) a communist. Many federal positions (I understand) still require this.
The most sensitive use of it continues in many areas, where educators are
required to do this, STILL! (e.g.. my father <history professor> had to 
sign one when he took a position a few years ago here in Lexington).
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From: s9263@gte.com (Rajesh Kumar Sah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: s9263@bunny.GTE.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA

Keywords: test

please ignore; just a test.