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From: skelley@umiacs.umd.edu (Stephen Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 Expansion
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:28:10 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Given all the talk (by all)  and assumption (by CBM) that SCSI is for
"high end" users I offer my $0.02.

I bought an A3000/25-100 and *immediately* upgraded to 4F+2Chip.
The 100MB disk soon filled up (w/ *alot* of Fish software) so I got
a SCSI backup device.  I then upped mem to 8+2 and started to look for
*more* disk.  I then got a Fuji425.  SO, if I want to trade in/up to
get a 4000 I'm screwed by both main *AND* disk memory.

I'd *love* to have the '40 horsepower and the new graphics modes
(to run X etc) but there's NO WAY I can afford to lose 1.5-2K on a
machine that's < 2 yrs. old.

In case a CBM market-droid gets this... I've bought/traded 2 1000's,
1 2000, 1 2500 and now have the above mentioned 3000.  I am *NOT*
a happy camper.
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From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: Help: my battery backed up clock suck,.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:08:16 GMT

I just recently purchased a used A500 with the A501,
and the clock looses about 2 seconds a day.

Anything I can do about this?

Scotty AJ
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: composite video on the A600?
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct14.111854@cs.man.ac.uk> snowdond@cs.man.ac.uk (Dave Snowdon) writes:
> Does anyone know whether Commodore kept the composite video output on the
> A600? I have an old composite video monitor that used to work with an A500
> and would like to know whether it would work with an A600.

The A600 has color composite out, as compared to the A500 monochrome
composite.  The resolution is a bit less sharp, due to the bandpass
filtering needed for to color stuff, so it may or may not be as
useful as that on the A500 for your application.

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: CDTV hardware & Commodore UK
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:27:25 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <13037@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wscc90r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Wilson Chiu) writes:
>I rang up Commodore UK and made an enquiry about the trackball unit. I
>spoke to some marketing woman who told me to get intouch with dealers
>who will order one for me if they don't already stock them. Back to
>square one.

I might have spoken to the same person. She must be very thick
skinned because she repeated the same phrase to me at least
half a dozen times. I was trying to get technical info on the
A2091. She said that I must speak to a dealer such as Dixons or
John Lewis, and that only dealers can speak to the technical
department at CBM. I explained that the dealers would not even
understand the question and she just repeated herself.

When I contacted NEC UK with a problem in an old NEC printer,
they immediately put me through to the technical guys who
sent out new roms straight away to fix the bug.

When I talked to Fujitsu UK about an old hard drive again
they were very helpful and allowed me to talk to a technical
person.

At CBM UK they have obviously set out to kill the Amiga for
good. I can imagine any number of corporate, government or
industrial Amiga users being told to contact Dixons. No
wonder these people order IBM-PC's.


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From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: tests of A4000 configurations?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:29:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

If anyone gets their hands on a 4000 and sufficient types of other
hardware, it would be interesting to get a few test reports.  I'm
interested specifically in using the 4000 with various SCSI cards.  (I'd
like a 4000, but I have too much money invested in SCSI peripherals to
go to IDE, so I'd have to get a SCSI card of some sort).

Has anyone tested a 4000 with various 3rd party SCSI cards?  Are there
any Zorro III SCSI cards available?

   - steve
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From: pwappy@well.sf.ca.us (Jeff Walkup)
Subject: Re: A4000 anim speed
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:56:00 GMT


mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:

> Well, I have a hard time with that.  My ray tracing software
> takes over 10 minutes per frame.  However, an animation program
> I wrote can update the display well over 170fps if the display was
> that fast.  It all depends on what you are doing.  If you are
> just pumping data, it would be that the 68040 can pump as much as
> 6+ meg/second into CHIP RAM.  (I have not played with exact
> measurements here as I have not needed this)

Er... uhm.... I think you misunderstood me... my fault, sorry.
I'm not talking about "rendering" as in raytracing each frame
before it gets displayed... (and 10 mins/frame is pretty dang
good, btw)... I'm talking about pre-rendered frames compressed into
an IFF-ANIM file.  I meant "rendering" as in de-compressing the ANIM
and building the full frames.

How fast is the A4000 at playing back a complex (high Delta) 768x480
ANIM?  Is it really faster than an A3000 with an '040 card?  (Isn't
the real bottleneck the time it takes for the CPU to de-compress
the frames?)

Anything over 30frames/sec is overkill (I'm recording to videotape)
... but a nice constant 30fps would be perfect!
From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A570 Cartridge Slot
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: George_Robbins


 GR> There is also an internal header where you could add a "memory chip
 GR> only" fast RAM card.

Would this RAM card allow more than 2 MB of memory?



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From: dac@dacami.cmhnet.org (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Monitors for A4000 - suggestions?
Distribution: usa
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Date: 10 Oct 92 15:39:14 EST
Organization: Culberson Plaza.  (One Marconi Place, Inc.)

In article <1992Oct9.211021.3775@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>    No, it does not.  The "promotion" feature of the A4000 is software-only.
> The A4000 has no hardware force 15Khz screens to 31Khz.  If a program such as
> an old utility or game insists on opening an interlaced 15Khz screen, the
> screen WILL be opened at 15Khz interlaced, and there will be nothing you will
> be able to do about it.

  Damn it Marc, what do you do, type one article and just keep posting it
with different quoting?  Please, STOP.  This is the FOURTH message I have
seen in two days from you saying the exact same thing, all four times.  I am
an exceedingly patient person, but it has begun to wear thin with you.

            David

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From: Rick_Lang@amusers.UUCP (Rick Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Hard drive does not keep spinning
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:16:58 PST
Organization: The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

Recently my Seagate ST157N hard disk drive gave up and I'm wondering if
anyone has encountered this problem.  It is not the famous 'sticky' disk as
I can easily spin the disk manually.  Here's the symptom:

When the system powers up, the disk begins to spin but it does not
completely rev up, then it dies down a bit, then starts to rev up again,
then dies down completely.  This happens on both my A2090 and my
Microbotics Hardframe so the controller's not at fault.  I've also tried
different power plugs but it always fails with the identical pattern I've
described.  Sounds like a power problem (a short?) that the drive is
detecting and shutting down to prevent damage.  What do you think?  Thank
you for your reply.


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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:14:11 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>  <... the usual MB waffle deleted ...>
>
>answer for the A4000 is "quite a lot."  People have talked about writing
>utilities to force-promote all NTSC or PAL interlaced modes, but no such
>utilities exist yet.  

  Oh no!? Then what about `a2ntsc11.lha' that I uploaded to amiga.physik
a few days ago? I guess that was only vaporware then.. It doesn't exist and
it probably wouldn't work very well even if it did. Thanks a million for
letting me know, Marc!

>For now, there are quite a lot of older utilities and
>games that would not work at all on a 31Khz-only monitor.

  "A lot of utilities"? Since you seem to have used an A4000 and know about
these things, how about a little list of non-working utilities? I'll name
one: DPaint IV (but it works when Amiga2DblPAL is installed).

>  Even after such a
>utility was written, there likely would be a lot of games that would not work
>with it, because the games drive the hardware directly with all kinds of nasty
>tricks and would not be friendly to such a utility.

  This on the other hand is correct, Marc. (applause!)

>>  <... tons of quoted text (that should have been deleted by -MB- in the
>>       first place) deleted ...>

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 14Mhz A500 mod info wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:34:33 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <35539@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <in2a505.717946124@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> in2a505@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Elvers) writes:
> > e52382015@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EDDY, JONATHAN GABRIEL) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > >Anybody ever done this??
> > >I got a file from wuarchive the other day that describes a processor swap
> > >for the A500.  You take out the 7Mhz one, and put in a 16Mhz 68000, plus
> > >a timing circuit(?), and viola, you have a 14Mhz A500, which should a 
> > >+70% performance boost.  Does this work???  I would love to do it, but would 
> > >rather be sure it worked.  Heck, at $25, I'll probably do it anyway, but
> > >please warn me if I shouldn't.
> > >Thanks!
> > 
> > >jon eddy.
> > 
> > I did it, and it works !! 
> 
> Of course it may not work on your particular machine, the A500 "Gary"
> gate array and associated logic were not designed with 14MHz in mind
> and it is a small miracle that it works at all on any systems.
> 
> If you want a real headache, start trying to work out all the details
> required to make a "spec" 14MHz double speed processor speedup...

Actually, in hacks like these (unless they've changed), only the CPU is
clocked at 14mhz, not the rest of the chips.  The result is a 5%-10%
speedup (maybe 25 if you're doing lots of multiplications/divisions).
Hardly worth the $25 you spend on parts.  It's like the "CMI Processor
Accelerator", I'm sure some people here can tell you about THAT thing.

Glenn Doiron
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From: stefanb@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker)
Subject: Re: Two A4000 questions
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  7 Oct 92 14:55:19 GMT

stefanb@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker) writes:

>2) The C= Ethernet board (A205?) is a Zorro-II board. Does it use DMA to
>   transfer its data? If it does, can it still be used in the A4000?

I've just been told, that it doesn't use DMA. As it works in the A3000, I
presume it'll work in an A4000.

	Stefan

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Subject: Re: Monitors for A4000 - suggestions?
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:48:56 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <KENTD.92Oct7131900@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com>,<1992Oct9.211021.3775@news.iastate.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Oct9.211021.3775@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <KENTD.92Oct7131900@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 13:37:14 GMT, lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso) said:
>>Bernie> Nntp-Posting-Host: zruty
>
>   No, it does not.  The "promotion" feature of the A4000 is software-only.
>The A4000 has no hardware force 15Khz screens to 31Khz.  If a program such as
>an old utility or game insists on opening an interlaced 15Khz screen, the
>screen WILL be opened at 15Khz interlaced, and there will be nothing you will
>be able to do about it.
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>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

Really now, is it necessary to reply to multiple people w/ the same response?

jeeze...

Jim
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From: acs_brath@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: CDTV - Installing a SCSI drive?
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:17:01 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

I want to install a SCSI hard disk in my CDTV.
There is plenty of room to mount the drive underneath the motherboard and 
behind the LCD panel.

The CD-Player inside uses a 40 pin cable (???) but as far as I know SCSI 
uses 50 pins.  When I run sysinf on the CDTV it reports a A2091/590 on 
the system.  The controler must allow me add more drives, shouldnt it?

Help.....

Thanks...
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From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy a
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:30:55 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Distribution: world
Organization: System Information 2.0 Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct12.171556.16729@kas.helios.mn.org> rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:

> =25Mhz 68040 on a replacable module.
> 	The 3000 doesn't waste it's CPU slot on the primary system CPU...

I don't really see what you mean by wasting. Neither the current hardware,
nor any current software would support multi-processing. :-) This way 
when I upgrade to a faster, better, cpu board, I can always sell it used
to an A3000T owner for example. How are you gonna do that with your 030
which is soldered in...

> 	The move to the CURRENT 4000 shouldn't be knee jerk reaction, it
> 	should be thought out.

I totally agree with you. However, I was a maxed out A2500 user who
needed more chipram and something faster than an A2630. So I was
contemplating buying a CSA Magnum 40/4 when the A4000 appeared. Now
the choice was simple. Pay $2800 to upgrade my A2500 with an 040 board
but still have 1<B chip and a 16bit bussystem. Or pay $3200 for this
A4000 with 68040, 120MB HD, more colors and be able to sell my A2500
for a nice price... What would you have done in my place? Remember,
C= Netherlands doesn't do power-up deals, They've only done it once
and there you were better of buying it in a shop and selling your old
one on the used market. :-)

CYa, Paul

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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000 (NOT!)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 03:15:18 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Rod_Rombauer@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us (Rod Rombauer) writes:

>Sorry I cant quote from this system...

>It sounds to me that this dweef who complaines up and down about the 4000
>skimmed over a review and assumed the rest... he probably hasnt even seen
>one in action.. I have... the last responder is right... It doesnt need a
>viedo enhancer... What I saw was clean crisp 256 color Ham displays, one on
>top of another and you could grab the screen and pull it up and down and
>see the picture behind it with no visible refreshing... like flipping pages
>almost...
>Its fast, powerful, incredible with display (i didnt hear him even mention
>anything about the 256 THOUSAND colors from a 16 MILLION color pallette
>with the new HAM mode... nor did he say anything about the 68040...

>Granted, there are a few things that they could have done... like SCSi
>instead of IDE, but thats easilty fixed... and probably will be in future
>revisions and they didnt improve Paula... but there has been talk about
>do9ing that in a later revision... 
>Ive seen sound cards that will do 12 bit sampling, but Ive heard that the
>next step is 16 bit 8 channel!

Hmmm.. you must have seen a different A4000 than I did.  The one I used had
many annoying flickers and shimmerings to the video quality.  Only a few of 
the modes were usable, unless you could tolerate some flicker or shimmer.
The "shimmer" seemed to result from hig-color modes.  Maybe this was
just a function of the monitor (1960), but who knows.  The displays I saw
weren't all that crisp.

keith

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From: kopnicky@owlnet.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky)
Subject: A4000 800x600
Keywords: A4000, interlace
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:39:44 GMT

Do you mean to tell me that the 800x600 mode in the 4000 is INTERLACED
at 72Hz?  That means it's refreshing at only 36Hz.  A bare improvement
over 30KHz.  SuperVGA cards display 800x600 w/out interlace at a horizontal
scan rate of 35.5KHz.  The 1024x768 mode is interlaced at 87Hz vertical,
but I would think that 800x600 is easy enough to do without interlace,
still using 35ns pixels.  I am really disappointed.  I thought I could use
that mode for my WorkBench :^(

	Also if/when C= releases an upgrade board for the A4000 to a
1024x768 display, what monitor scan rate would that require?  50KHz?
What dot pitch?

	Also will the Display Enhancer work with the A4000, as long as
you don't go over 4,096 colors?  Of course only for 320x400 and 640x400
interlaced modes.
 
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: IBM High Density Drive in an amiga
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:28:21 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <3375@carroll1.cc.edu> pruttman@cerebus.cc.edu (Pete Ruttman) writes:
 >I realize that the commodore high density drive is different
 >than an ibm high density drive, but what I want to do it different.
 >I want to read msdos formatted disks with crossdos and not amigaDOS
 >high denities--only msdos.  Is it possible to hook up the drive for
 >this capability?

No. The floppy controller part of the Amiga electronics can't read data
at the speed they are delivered by a normal HD drive. So the only way
is to have a drive that can spin down to half speed so that the floppy
electronics in the Amiga can read and write at its best speed.

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From: ega015@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Robert Edge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Disk Drive wanted
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:54:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.


	Wanted,an external disk drive for an amiga,says it all
	really.

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