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From: warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bronco Snowball (was Re: Chargers win in middle of moronic "fan)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:52:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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>p.s. of course, the broncos were also the beneficiaries of similar
>shenanigans several years prior to this, when sf was in town for a monday
>night game, and their kicker missed a short fg when a snowball came flying
>in from the end zone stands and hit either the ball or the holder just as
>the kicker was kicking.  sf lost 17-16.

Actually, it hit neither.  The snowball landed (and exploded) about 2 feet in front 
of Matt Cavanaugh just a split second before the snap, which Cavanaugh then muffed.
Ray Wersching (sp?) never even kicked it.  Cavanaugh got up and threw an incomplete
pass.  Interestingly enough, Cavanaugh told reporters after the game that he didn't 
see the snowball.

Down late Q4 16-14, Elway drove the team for the winning Rich Karlis FG.  Just 
another day at the office :) 

At the next Bronco-49er regular season meeting at Candlestick in 1988, Karlis hit 
the winning FG in overtime as some 49er fans pelted the Bronco's with golf balls.
I was sitting 40 rows up, even with the goal line.

Go Broncos!
Dennis
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Holy $*@#!&
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I don't know who it was but a day or two ago someone posted his picks for
today's games. Among the picks were Green Bay beating Philly and the Rams
beating Dallas and a group of other "wild" picks. Because of that he received
alot of heat. I mean noone in their right mind picks the Rams to beat Dallas
in Dallas or the Packers to defeat the Eagles. I'm still in shock over 
everything that transpired today. 

I have one question now. After today who is the best football team in the NFL?
All of your division leaders have now lost to a subpar, non playoff calibur,
team. 
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions - Week 11
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:11:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.145228.1972@zip.eecs.umich.edu> sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma) writes:
>In article <1261@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@fozzy.UUCP (Carl H. Koontz) writes:
>>Well, I should have known that as soon as I made my picks public I would have
>>a bad week. I was 6-8 last week bringing my yearly total to a still impressive
>
>Please.
>With your algorithm there is no way you could have an impressive record

Oh, is that so?

>>Here are my picks for Week 11:
>>
>>Detroit  10
>>Pittsburgh  9
>
>Get serious!

Considering Pittsburgh had to sweat it out for a late 3-pt win, I think this
was a pretty good prediction.

>>LA Rams  27
>>Dallas   23
>
>WHo are you kidding?

Apparently nobody, since he got the score PERFECT!!!

This was an amazing prediction!

>>Philadelphia  3
>>Green Bay    38
>
>Don't quit your day job.

Care to revise that comment?  Granted, the spread is too large, but he
correctly picked the upset.

>>Houston    3
>>Minnesota 51
> 
>How do you expect to get the spread on this one?

OK, nobody's perfect.  :-)

>>New England  24
>>Indianapolis 21
>
>Computer regularly picks upsets.

Yup, and it looks like computer is dead-on again.  Exact margin of victory.

And the same goes for the 1-pt San Diego win.

>>Comments welcome.
>
>Go back and get a real program.

Give the guy a break!  The computer was amazing this week.  And besides, who
wants a program that only picks the favorite to win all the time?  (boring!)

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Brett Favre vs. Eagles defense
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:22:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.163352.29368@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

	[ ... ]

>I think the thing that most impresses me is that he makes so few 
>mistakes for a young guy.  (Mike Holmgren keeps calling him a rookie 
>but he's not.  In case you're not aware of it, the Packers traded for 
>him from the Falcons on the day after the NFL combined college player 
>workouts.)  You expect a young QB to take most of a season to learn 
>not to telegraph his passes and to find the open man.  Sure, he still 
>telegraphs occasionally, and he occasionally misses an open receiver 
>but even the most experienced veteran does that.

The press (Packer Report or Packer Plus, maybe both) made two
points at the time (just after the trade):

1) If Green Bay had liked any of the QBs in this year's draft
better than Favre, they were in a position to draft them.  They
didn't.  These included Will Furrer, David Klingler, Tommy Maddox,
Matt Blundin, Casey Weldon, and Tony Sacca, with Brown going to
the Giants in the supplemental draft),

2) Both Wolf and Holmgren were agreed that Favre was the best QB
in the '91 draft, which included Todd Marinovich, Browning Nagle,
and Dan McGuire.

So far it looks like Wolf made the right decision, as Favre is
playing much better than any of the above (of those that are
actually playing, that is).  And he seems much guttier than some
other young QBs, e.g., Neil O'Donnell.

-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Summary: WORSHIPMORANOW
Keywords: WORSHIPMORANOW
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:11:41 GMT
Organization: .

(Omar A. Zaidi) writes:
>>
>>N.Y. Giants v Philadelphia,off
>>L.A. Raiders v Denver,off
>>
>>What does the "off" mean? 
>>
>
>I think it means that the line is even.. i.e either team could win.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dang!  I hope the Saints-Skins game is marked "off" -- I'd hate to think
the outcome is already etched in stone.

.....WORSHIPMORANOW....

GEAUX SAINTS!!!  
("geaux" sounds like "go", Mr. Donald P Beauxll)

--J.J.
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Glanville
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:29:02 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Nov16.161227.4205@col.hp.com>, kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary) writes:
>Deion and two unidentified people tried to hold
>both back.  I think Tolliver just threw an interception or something.
>Looks like Glanville is out of control. 

This is not quite correct.  Tolliver threw an INT, and Glanville pulled him
from the game.  **Tolliver** went insane, and nearly punched out Glanville,
screaming that he wasn't going to come out.  Aside from that INT (which was
run back for a TD), Tolliver was having a good day, and Wade Wilson was
surprised that he was sent in.  Tolliver later apologized and said that he
was out of line, but was under a lot of stress (his dad was arrested for drug
possession earlier this week).
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Don't worry about the missed free throw, Christian.  We all make mistakes."
--Richard Nixon to Christian Laettner, after he missed the front end of a 
one-and-one with one second left, playing Arizona
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:39:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov16.173026.2367@cnsvax.uwec.edu> rantalmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>As far as Randall's comments--no big deal, it was only Randall Cunningham, not 
>like it a GOOD player who said it.  
>
>Matt Rantala
>Eau Claire, Wi
>(no sig. required)


Priceless!  Truly priceless.  He wasn't benched for this game but still most
of the game on the sidelines are  the Packers walked all over the gag-green
defense.  

Hey Randall, how's the candy bar business coming???

satish nair
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: frigo@asiago.med.ge.com (Fred Frigo 5-5806)
Subject: Packers Beat Bears! 
Reply-To: frigo@opustech.com
Organization: Opus Technologies, Inc.  Brookfield, WI 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:15:22 GMT

The Packers thoroughly dominated the Bears at Soldier Filed on
Sunday coming away with the 17-3 victory.  Bret Favre, in a gutsy
performance came on full tilt, and didn't make any mistakes.
Sort of reminds me of another country boy from the south who
was famous for not making errors, not for his big plays... Bart Starr.

At the game against the Iggles at County Stadium last week there 
were quite a few "C'mon Bart!" chants from the crowd.  

Is there anything more beautiful than watching Favre launch a rocket
to Sterling Sharpe... then watching Sharpe position himself perfectly
for the pass... and catch it??  At the end of the first quarter,
the Packers tried this, with a stiff wind at their backs.   49 yd TD!
The score stayed 10-3 until Favre ran one in for a TD late in the
third quarter. 
 
The Bears only highlight came on a FG by Kevin Butler in the first
quarter.

Edgar Bennett showed some of the promise he displayed in the 
pre-season when he rushed for over 100 yards.  The Bears entire 
team rushed for 54 yards.  The Packers have been beaten up bad 
by the Bears over the last 10 years.  It was nice to pull this one 
out.

The Packers Playoff Picture is almost under their own control.
The Cowboys, Vikings and 49ers have locks (sort of).  If the Playoffs
were held today, the Iggles, the Giants, and the Saints would also go.
But, the Packers would be next in line....

The Packers are 2 games behind the Iggles and 1 game behind the Giants. 
Based on the Packers easy schedule, the fact that they play Houston
without Warren Moon and that they have 3 cold outdoor home games vs.
the Lions, the Bucs and the Lambs, they should be able to go 9-7.

Is that good enough?  Probably.
--
Fred Frigo    Opus Technologies, Inc.                 (__)
Voice: (414)-521-0400   FAX: (414)-549-9744           (oo)
E-mail: frigo@opustech.com                    /--------\/  
US-mail: PO Box 717,  Brookfield, WI 53008   * ||-----||
From: johndoe@crispus.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:24:18 GMT
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

just a small note in the face of this topic:

	this week, the afc went 4-0 against the nfc.

	the towering nfc east went 0-5 this week.

	the so far pathetic afc west went 3-0 outside the division this week.

	the patriots finally won a game.

guess maybe parity hasn't left for good after all.

-johndoe
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Emmitt & Thurman's stats
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:24:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Nov23.175633.104981@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes:
>Well, to answer my own question:
>
>Emmitt Smith                84 yards rushing        0 yards receiving
						     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
						This cant be correct. Im not
						sure of the exact number, but
						I know Emmitt had alot of
						receieving yards.

>Thurman Thomas             103 yards rushing        0 yards receiving
>Barry Foster               168 yards rushing       42 yards receiving
>
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:14:24 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bxx8p4.3Cq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Ok, to show that Bills fans do have some sympathy, I will offer a vote to
>> all Bills fans participants of the BET II. email your vote.
>
>> VOTE NO:   The four Dolphin fans that were involved in THE BET II should not
>>            be allowed to post again until SB 27.
>>            
>>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>>            
>
>No Freakin' Way!!!  ;-)  Geez, could we have expected THIS kind of sympathy if
>*we* lost??  No way...after all, _Doug_ made the bet, I'm sure he's *more* than
>happy to stand by it, aren't you, Doug???  ;)
>
>Jon
>

Sorry, Jon, but Doug can't answer your question. You see, he took THE BET
II and lost.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:49:33 GMT

dheyser@dazixco.ingr.com (Doak Heyser) writes:

>   Yep, I'm old enought to remember.  However, I can't remember when
>the Eagles were ever NFL champs.  Check a few nursing homes.

    1960 wasnt all THAT long ago that nobody can remember... granted
it was some 8 years before I was born, but certainly there are some
people on here who have memories going back that far...

    And just for laughs... the '60 NFL Championship was over the Packers
17-13

    Incidentally, they were also back-to-back NFL champs in '48 and '49
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith              smith@oscar.udel.edu|
|Go Eagles(we miss you Keith),Flyers,Phillies and 76ers(we miss you Charles)!|
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:14:05 GMT

In article <98129@netnews.upenn.edu>, sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov17.203439.13782@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
|> > stuff deleted...
|> 
|> >as a Viking fan, I especially know that the Pack should never be taken lightly.
|> >It is too bad that the Iggles and RanDULL Cunninham are too good to be bothered
|> >playing a lowly team like the packers.  We all know that since their big win
|> >over the cowboys they have been a lock in the Super Bowl.  :^)  :^)
|> 
|> Hype goes on everywhere. Dont tell me that there is no super bowl
|> talk in minnesota and the dallas camps.

he did'nt.


|> >
|> > I think the Vikings should be more worried about their rematch with the 
|> >Pack than the game with the super bowl bound Iggles.  The Iggles will be 
|> >looking past the Vikes to the Super Bowl anyways.
|> >
|> yeah worry about the packers. Take it game at a time dudes, otherwise
|> if you start thinking further ahead you can see your offense having 
|> sleepless nights thinking about the eagles D.
|> Get an offense before you come out and talk about beating a good offensive
|> team. I am not saying that the eagles have a great offense, but they sure
|> do have a better one that the vikes at this point. had it not been
|> for the fact that the vikes D scoring TD's think where you would be in the

this, from an Eagle's fan ???????


|> division. Hey, what a great divisionthat is NFC Central. I am impressed.
|> You are getting some competition from other teams in that division for the
|> division title. Hey, but dennis green has done a heck of
|> a job with the vikes down there.
|> 
|> >Thank you Green Bay, you made my day even after the vikes lost.  
|> >Ha, ha   RanDULL,     No class.......
|> 
|> Give nme a break will you. He is still the 4th best QB in the league, coming
|> OFF a season ending knee injury. I can buy that any day!!
|> i Would say though that the coaches here are not using the potential of randall. 
|> >

Who is the ex head coach Philly has running the defense? (from Buffalo?) What
would he do in Kotite's place ???

|> >--
|> >*******************************************************************************
|> >Chad D. Bergerson                            Internet: bergerson@mayo.edu
|> 
|> -Rajeev[A Scrambling Eagle]SajjA

-- 
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NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
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From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:53:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxvAtF.FLB
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:


>And give the home-field advantage/neutral site blowout theory 
>a rest.  Other factors are at play in NFC championship games 
>such as resting starters, avoiding injuries, not showing tendencies, 
>divisional familiarity, etc. that could easily serve to mitigate any 
>blowout.  Likewise, the extra hype week and the pressure of the
>Super Bowl can easily be seen as factors that work to scale up 
>the Super Bowl blowout.

My own pet theory on the NFC Super Bowl domination is that the
small market teams fold under the hype leading up to the game.
This leads them to play below their potential. Look at the NFC
representatives from the NFC the last 10 years: Washington,
San Fran, New York, Chicago. All media pressure cookers. Every
week during the year these teams are subjected to intense 
pressure from the media to succeed. Essentially, they are 
trained to deal with hype and media scrutiny.

Now look at the AFC reps: Denver (not a small city but not a 
media conglomerate), Cincinnati (ditto), Buffalo (one of the
smallest markets in the league). I know that in Buffalo, every
time Larry Felser (local sports editor) writes a critical
column about the Bills, the players (sometimes even the management)
are up in arms. They aren't used to the pressure that the Super 
Hype Week subjects them to.

Is it a coincidence that the last AFC winner was the LA Raiders?

Mike C.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hatfield@n5 (Gary Hatfield)
Subject: Re: Hassan Jones
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:58:23 GMT

<RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Does anyone in Vikingland know when Hassan Jones will play again?  I didn't
>getto see the game last Sunday if he played in that one at all.  And what
>took him out in the first place?  The last time I remember him playing was
>the Thursday night game vs.  Detroit.

>Another request from a more knowledgable fan in Vikingland: Could someone
>please post the active roster and roster of starters for the team?

>Thanks a lot.

>Fight Vikes!  Go Noga

	Yes he will play.  He is expected to play against the Rams next week.  It
really should help the Vikes because Cris Carter is getting nothing but double coverage
these days and it seems that A.C. is as well.  
	Hope this helps
			Hatter
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles starting quarterback
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:09:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <8f3OeZq00WB4EK3Zsg@andrew.cmu.edu> cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Calvin D. Swartzentruber) writes:
>Does anyone know who will be starting as quarterback for the Eagles on
>Sunday against the Giants?  God, I hope that its not Randall.  If it is,
>they are surely doomed.
>
>Hobbes
>
>A loyal Eagle in Pittsburgh
>
>The opinions expressed in this post are not necessarily held by my city,
>my college, my family, or the guy who used to live next door to me when
>I was a kid.
>
>"Virtual reality has nothing on Calvin" Susie

Yup it's Randall.  Hey, look on the bright side, at least you guys don't
have Horse-settler waiting in the backfield to get sacked after each snap.
It's gonna be a game of :
		first down- run
		second down- run
		third and long- wow look at that QB run ... a 2 yard gain...
				here comes the punting unit!


satish nair
go giants
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:34:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Nov.18.09.46.33.1992.1539@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:

> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> >In article <Nov.17.14.37.30.1992.7002@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> >>All this from a Giants fan!  How does 7 out of the last 8 times grab
> >>you?  
> >Oh to the tune of 2 Super Bowl wins over 1 loss (nyah nyah :-)).
> Keep your rings, as long as we finish fourth in the division and
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the GIANTS are FIFTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now this is a REAL EAGLES FAN - because that's all eagles fans can
ever hope for. I wouldn't be surprised to see the eagles finish 4th.

And so what if the Giants finish 5th. Does that really matter - the
eagles were better because they finished 4th? That's pitiful, but not
surprising, from what I know of eagles fans.

I don't expect the Giants to play a very good game this w/e. However,
the way both teams are playing right now, I will not be surprised no
matter which way the game goes. But I would sure love a Giants victory
against the green slime......


WOOF......WOOF.......

Mark
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Blue collar image.......(WAS:Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!)
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.By1z5s.9A8
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In an earlier posting somebody had mentioned ( I do not know
whether it was just for fun) that the Raider fans consists
of truck drivers, mechanics, red-necks...etc etc.

Now how come did the Raiders get this blue collar image.
The Raiders always appeared to me as the mysterious men
in silver and grey, always having some things up their
sleeves in big games......in a very dignified manner...
although their name sounds very sinister.

Anyone care to explain....

On another note, which team in the NFL is considered to have
gentle-man like fans....I say has a white collar image....
Is it in any way the Packers......    
I know it is not the Vikings.....it has already a blue collar
fan like me...:-):-):-)


S.H
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tie Breaker: NFC playoffs
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:21:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



I tried to follow a thread in here about tiebreakers and the playoffs
but it got too complicated. Just who leads the NFC, Dallas or the
49'ers?


  			Won   Lost   Tie   Pct.   PF    PA
 Dallas (NFC E) 	8      2      0    .800   247   152	
 SF     (NFC W)         8      2      0    .800   292   172




-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

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