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From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Stiff shafts???
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:54:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <1992Sep4.092814.2192@wkuvx1.bitnet> gettikl@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I have recently purchased a stiff shafted Senator 1 iron. 

>I swing about 85-90mph most of the time.

How do you know your swing speed?  Which club do you use from 150 yards?

Conventional wisdom says that with a slow swing like that you would be
better off with an R shaft.  The additional flex will give you more height
and distance than you get with the S.  How much better off I'm not sure.
If you are getting acceptable height with your 1 iron, you'd probably be
better off spending your time swinging it that in changing the shaft.  The
more flexible shaft will probably cost you some control, which can be a
very important factor with a long iron.


-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm          Life is short ...
N9LFF                   Don't waste it folding underwear.
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From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.125035.27433@mksol.dseg.ti.com> whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com
 (harlon whitley 952-2342) writes:
>I am curious as to whether it is good to take a divot
>or not.  If it is good, when is it good, how large
>should the divot be?  Does the club make the difference,
>I am aware that a wood should not make a "divot", but
>do different brands of clubs make more of a divot than
>others?  What is your opinion, an enquiring mind would
>like to know.
>
>Swing!
>
>Harlan

Divots good after hitting ball. Divots bad before hitting ball. Divots with
woods Baaadd.  Tarzan like divots.


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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just schwing it"              614-292-8481
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From: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Subject: Golf Story (funny)
Reply-To: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:39:06 GMT

While playing in our weekly round robin 4 ball, my 
opponents weren't doing so well and keep blaming each
other for f*#@ up the hole.  Anyways, after losing
another hole to my partner and I, this fellow named
Paul tries to get rid of his ball after walking off
the green, by wacking it in the woods.  Well on the 
first try, the ball hits a tree and comes back to him 
so he trys to hit it into the woods again.  Again he 
hits a tree and it comes back.  Finally on the third 
attempt, the ball disappears into the woods.   

On the next tee my partner and I hit our tee shots then 
Paul's partner, Lee gets up and hits his left into the trees
...big time left...I think it went left and then hooked...

So Paul, his partner says sarcastically, "Oh that
was a nice shot" and Lee pipes back to Paul "Yah,
but it only took me 1 swing to hit it in the woods".


-Paul
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From: kozlowsk@acs.ucalgary.ca (Don M. Kozlowski)
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:26:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu () writes:

[long tirade about rude golfer deleted...]
...
>him the rest of the round and he never spoke to us again. I'm certain that he 
>missed his P-wedge at some point but he never came looking.  Now I feel that I've
>lowered myself to his level, but I also consider the wedge (Mizuno Tour xp w/
>graphite shaft) partial compensation for his ruining my $30 round of golf.
>Yeah I know, Golf isn't about all that petty crap, but it felt nice knowing that
>I rescued the wedge from that nasty man.  Go ahead, FLAME ME,I deserve it.  But 
>haven't you all encountered someone like this. someone who doesn't understand and
>doesn't want to understand.  Go ahead, FLAME ME, because of the length of this
>post.  Sorry I just had to get that off my chest.
>
>I, not my company, am responsible for my rantings or criminal behavior. -Tim 


Well as much as I'd like to sympathize with you for his having
ruined your game, I can't help but think you've lowered yourself
to BELOW his level. He's just an obnoxious jerk, but you are now a
thief on a golf course. 

Why didn't you report this bozo, and turn his club into the pro
shop? Let the pro shop staff deal with him.

-- 
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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:48:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.123004.3293@b11.b11.ingr.com> cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:
>Our company league is sponsoring a 3 club tournament in a couple of weeks.
>Having never played in such a thing, I'm wondering--"Which three clubs
>should I take?".  I don't know anything about the course, having never played
>it before, and your putter does count as one of the clubs.  The only thing
>I have decided is that the longest club I should take is a 3 wood.
>
>The kind assistance from those who have played this type of format will be
>appreciated.  

I played a tournament with that format 3 weeks ago. I chose my 3-wood, 5-iron,
and a modified SW (a 56 deg. de-lofted to a 53 deg. - Gives me 100-105 yds
under normal conditions). I used the 3-wood for putting and had 36 putts for
the round, with 2 3-putts (the first putt on both occasions was long and and I
left them short both times) and 2 1-putt.

I found this format favors a bit the bogey golfer, since it's no problem to
get to the green 1-over-regulation. I shot 84 (43-41) with 12 bogeys and 6 pars.
I played to an 8 hcp, so it was a 76 net (4-over). Not bad, but it could've been
better. 

I found my main "problems" were to get up-and-down whenever I missed a green,
and making the 10-15 foot range putts. If anything, I noticed I need to work a
bit harder on my short game (what else is new? :-)).

In selecting my 3 clubs, I went for a "tee-shot" club that would leave me a
5-iron shot to the green for the longest par-4. Then I chose my modified SW
for the 3-rd shot on the par-5's and to play around the greens. I choked down
on that 5-iron or punched it according to what the shot demanded, particularly
on the par-3 tee-shots that required 7-8 irons. My 5-iron with a full-swing
under normal conditions gives me 170-180 yds (it's a T.A. 845, so it's a 
"strong" 5-iron).

Hope this helps you.

Martin
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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: The pros aligning the
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:52:57 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-31-92 16:47
R > From: ronr@ateami2.EBay.Sun.COM (RON RICHARDSON)
R > Subject: The pros aligning their ball before putting?
R > Date: 31 Aug 92 20:15:47 GMT
R > What are the pros doing when they turn their ball around before
R > putting?  Are they lining up the ball with the name stamp (legal?)
R > or rotating the ball so that only white shows?  They all seem to 
R > do it and even with the very short putts (time waster alert!!).
R > 

        They're lining up the ball with the name stamp.
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Xref: sparky rec.sport.golf:3154 misc.forsale:25011
From: stacey@grant.ncd.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf,ba.misc.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: GOLF CLUBS FOR SALE!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:04:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf


These are clubs for a lefty player. This is a men's set that comes with a nylon bag with a VERY padded carrying strap. The set includes a 1 and 3 wood with head covers, and one each of a 3,5,7 iron. Also a pitching wedge. We are looking for about $150 for the set, but negotiable. My work number is 415/691-2717. Shipping is possible. Call between 7:30 - 4:30 PDT.
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From: jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie)
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:06:46 GMT

In article <92244.171323RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Tim, Tim, Tim.....tsk,tsk,tsk...but no flames.  I have not run into such a
>miscreant on the golf course, but probably will at some point.  Don't know
>whether I would have kept the wedge; I probably would have let him know I had
>it while I took a couple of practice swings with it in front of the closest
>water hazard and .........oops!, I'm sorry, it just slipped out of my hands.
>Actually, I think you and your partner exercised remarkable restraint in the
>incident.  Larry Z. :)
I'm not sure what I would have done but from my detached frame of mind
a good way to handle it would be to turn it into the pro shop and
let the staff know the way the jerk acted. Also make sure there is a
note attached to the club explaining the actions of the jerk. That way
you save a guilty conscience and if the jerk claims it he will be
educated.


-- 
 Jim Harrie (jimh@sequent.com) World Wide Technical Support 
 Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. (503) 578-5778 
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From: kwokfm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Frankie Man Wai Kwok)
Subject: GRAPHITE GOLF CLUBS WANTED
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:43:24 GMT

Thanks to all who have made offers of golf clubs after my 
last post.

After consulting with my golf mentor, me and my girlfriend 
have decided to limit our search to graphite golf clubs.

If you have a man's and/or a lady's graphite golf set lying
around, why not sell them to us?  We are both right-handed.
Also, we would prefer to buy from someone in the San Francisco
Bay Area such that we could have a look at the set before 
buying them.

Many thanks again.
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From: samg@dadd.ti.com (Samuel G. Goins,SEG,)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Reply-To: samg@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:30:04 GMT

In article 17218@lth.se, d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg) writes:
>450 yards: Driver, 7-iron. Could be tough in a headwind, Daly!

Sure, headwind's a factor....   Figure 280yd drive, leaves a 170yd 7-iron,
but like I said, the 450yd was at the limit.  Most par 4's are considerably
less than 450yds...   I stand by my guns...    8)

By the way, I hit Daly's driver too, minus the titanium shaft, of course,
I had to actually PAY for mine...     8)

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From: samg@dadd.ti.com (Samuel G. Goins,SEG,)
Subject: Re: Fixing Ballmarks (was: D
Reply-To: samg@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:55:30 GMT

In article 25693@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov, sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
>One of the courses I play at give away ball mark fixers for free.  They
>set them right next to the score cards and pencils.  They're just
>little plastic things that I'm sure only cost the club a few cents
Well, none of the Muni's in Dallas area do, but...  I do occasionally get 
the chance to play at a "private" membership club, as my Co. Golf League 
was given a "free" weekday membership.  They have the plastic ones, with
some stupid logo on it, like "support the FBI" or what-not, and sometimes
they even have the metal ones that double as spike wrenches.  I usually 
get a couple when I play there, but that's usually only 3-4 times a year...
It's called "Los Rios" if you're from around here...  Nice course, some of
my buddies don't like it, as you're supposed to wear a shirt with a collar,
oh my....     8)   I'd bet they get the damn divot whatchamacallits for 
free due to the advertisements on 'em...  

seems like a lot of words to talk about a trivial boring tool... sorry...

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From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Fast play rewards
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ILH.92Aug31105727@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>, ilh@lcs.mit.edu writes...
>WLC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Bill Cunningham) writes:
>   ...Golf is NOT a race- you do not get bonus points for being quick...
> 
>Curiously enough, I visited a course where if you play in under four
>hours they give you a `lottery' ticket.  Every week they draw tickets
>to see who gets a free round.  Sounds like an interesting idea.
> 
>                                Lee Hetherington
>                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu

Here in Buffalo some nicer courses offer a free cocktail in the bar
after your round if you get done in 4 1/2 hours or less.  (We're ALL
hackers up here  :^)  

Still looking for that magical hundred.....three 103's this summer.
(They are tough courses, though....at least the majority of the courses
here are 3250 yds. for 9 and 6300 for 18...not that distance is everything...
but I did play a 9-hole 2300-yd. course in 40 this summer...I was happy.
Only 13 putts.)

.........................................................................

--Mergle                                William L. Priester Jr.
                                        V051R9BF@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

I guess when you run birdie putts 15 feet by with
a two shot lead on the 71st hole and make par, it
doesn't matter............

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From: federkin@rtsg.mot.com (John Federkins)
Subject: Keeping Pace
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:04:51 GMT


par@teak18.cray.com (Peter Rigsbee) writes:
>Some
>courses do a better job at running their "Keep Pace" program than others, 
>but you don't take 5 hours to play 18 holes at any of them!
>And most golfers seem to appreciate these programs; I haven't encountered 
>anyone who objected to being asked by the ranger to speed up.

Unfortunately, the courses' incentive to keep pace is not the same as
the golfers' incentives.  Rangers are out on the course to pick up the
pace so that the course earns more $/hr.  Golfers only want to see the 
foursome ahead of them pick up the pace so they never have to wait, 
can keep their rhythm, and can play at their own pace.
If the course owners really cared about the golfer's mindset, they would
space the tee times at least 10 mins apart.

I do object to rangers driving around in their golf carts telling us
to hurry up.  Especially when we have no place to go.  I even had a
ranger telling our foursome to hit (from <200 yds to the green) while
another foursome was still on the green putting!


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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:22:37 GMT

In article 4211@ncar.ucar.edu, ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
>>I am curious as to whether it is good to take a divot
>>or not.  
>
>My course has signs up that say to replace all divots. I think you'd
>be stealing if you took one. :-)
>
>>If it is good, when is it good, how large 
>>should the divot be?  
>
>It depends on what you intend to do with it. If you are resodding your
>lawn I suggest you take large ones. :-)

Haa Haa Haa.   Hee Hee Hee.   Good one.  I'm impressed.  Humor in this group,
whatta concept.  

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From: hasker@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Hasker)
Subject: Re: Rules
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:29:20 GMT

pgreen@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Philip Green) writes:

>Where can one obtain a copy of the Rules?

You can call the USGA:

> From rec.sport.golf Mon Jul 27 09:17:48 1992
> From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:53:01 GMT
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
> Subject: USGA Rule Book (Free)
> 
> While watching the US Women's Open I saw an add by the USGA to get a
> free copy of the Rules of Golf.  Just call 1-800-345-USGA (8742).  I
> don't know if this is a limited time offer.
> 
> --Lee Hetherington

(it's not; at least, I was able to order a copy a few weeks ago.)

Rob
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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.123004.3293@b11.b11.ingr.com> cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:
>Our company league is sponsoring a 3 club tournament in a couple of weeks.
>Having never played in such a thing, I'm wondering--"Which three clubs
>should I take?".  I don't know anything about the course, having never played
>it before, and your putter does count as one of the clubs. 

Ouch, they count the putter.  Boo, hiss.  Poor sportsmanship.  One should not
be forced to putt with a wood, not "true" golf, blah, blah, blah.

Well, I've played in a few 3-clubs, but all allowed putter, so I'll try to 
figure this one out...

1st of all, no one can tell you what the optimum clubs are without atleast:

1)  Course    - So you haven't played it?  OK.  Go play it.  No?  Get a 
                scorecard and see how it's layed out.  6K/7K yds, hazards...

2)  YOUR game - What is the best part of your game, on ANY course. 

3)  Putting   -  Obviously the MOST crucial factor here.  You will need to 
                 determine if you can putt with a wood. 

IMHO - from the info you provided, you probably are more comfortable with
       hitting the 3-wood off the Tee.  Fine.  This is where you need to see
       how long the par 4's are to determine what mid-iron you'll need.  If 
       you CAN putt acceptably with the 3-wood, you will be OK, so you can 
       use a 5/6-iron and a wedge/9.  You'll use the 3-wood ALL day, so get 
       used to Teeing it up, fairway (par 5's), and Putting.
       Recommend: 3-wood, 5-iron, 9-iron.  Need to be able to putt with 3wd
                  and short chips with 9-iron.

For me -  I live by, die by, the DRIVER.  Unless the course is under 6K yds, 
          I bring it along.  As I don't particularly wish to have to learn
          new skills for a silly tournament, I'll bring my Putter.  The 
          thought of putting with the Killer Whale would keep me awake at
          night....  8)   Me: DRIVER, 7-iron, putter.  This leaves me 
          vulnerable for a par-3 >180yds and a par 4 >450yds.  Pretty good
          odds.  I'd rather figure out how to pitch/chip with a 7, than 
          putt with a sledge-hammer...

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