From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Subject: Re: The multi horror
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
	<1992Dec15.212520.11308@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>
	<61739@apadravya.princeton.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:01:10 GMT

*=Janne Veikko Petteri Kallunki
#=sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson)
>=bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)

* Dealer North/N-S vulnerable/IMPs
* You as a south hold KJT9xxxx/7x/8/9x.
* Your partner starts with 2D which is multi 
* (6+card major -11 points or 21-22 points balanced).
* East pass.
* What's your bid?

# A forcing bid in spades. If 2S is forcing, that's the bid. Otherwise, 3S.

If there is a standard Multi (which I don't think there is) most Major
bids (except 4M) is to play if partner has that suit.  This includes
3S.  I play 3H as the only strong bid with a GOOD hearts.  3S is a way
of course on this hand as partner does NOT have spades, and will
therefor correct to 4H.  But what would 4S then be?  As I play a 2S
followed by 3S after the correction to 3H is inviting to 4S with
spades.

* I did 3 spades.
* West pass and my partner's bid is 3 NT.
* Now, what should I do?

# Check for aces (and possibly kings) and bid the appropriate number
# of spades or, notrump if you can count enough tricks.

* I did 6 spades and my partner raised it to 7.

An alernative could be to bid 5S as some kind of invite to slam.
I also depends what system you use after that 3NT bid.  Is 4S forcing?
Or sign-off?  (I use 4D as relay to 4H to sign-off in majors and a
direct 4M as forcing).

* Which cards had she?

# Peeking ahead, I dare say not the right ones.

* She had AQ8/AK/ATx/ATxxx so it was one down and we lost
* 17 imps.

I have sympathy for that 7S bid.  Question is what 6S show?  Maybe a
hand with a void which wouldn't be helped by a Blackwood.

* What should I have done?

# Berate partner for bidding 7? :-)

* Don't tell me that 6 spades wasn't a good bid because I know that.

# Take control of the hand by asking for aces and (as it happens) kings.
# Once you know that there are 12 tricks off the top, you can bid 6N.

> See, the problem with this hand is that the strong bidder really needs
> to be in control, not the weak one.  However, standard bidding doesn't
> really let you do that.  Having the weak bidder simply ask for aces and
> kings won't tell you about the grand -- if N has Axx Ax Axx AKQxx, then
> 7N is 100% cold, and you won't be able to find this out.  On the other
> hand, NORTH can confidently bid it knowing that you have 8 spades to the
> K.
>
> Relay systems to the rescue ... :-)

So you ask for aces and get 4 as answer, and then you bid 5NT.  What
should the N do with that hand above?  Well, how about 7C?
I find it often good to let the 5NT convey the information to partner
that "Hey partner, we have all aces.  Maybe we should play 7?  What do
you think?  If you have not a strong view, bid on 6 level."  

With the hand above (AKQxx in Clubs) I think North has too much just
to bid 6D (1 king) or 6C (if that show club king).

Of course, with Axx Ax AKQ Axxxx, you will be stuck....

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