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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Copyright info needed
From: Scott Jung <SRJ102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:07:25 EST
Organization: Penn State University

      I need the number to call to get song copyright forms, both for a recordi
ng and for the song itself.

       Also, what's the standard procedure if you've recorded a song but haven'
t written it out (or can't write it out, like in a rap)?  Just the sound record
ing form?  Both?
        Or what if you've written the song out and recorded it, and are more wo
rried about somebody stealing the song than copying the tape (obviously I'd rat
her that neither happens...)

     Thanks in advance...

                          Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.marketplace
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: FOR SALE: Rick fretless
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:54:37 GMT

Yep, that's right, a Rick without frets.

I'm selling a '73 Rick 4001 that had its frets removed.  I'm not the
person that did it, but whoever did did a decent job.  It's a natural
wood finish and is missing the big ugly pickup cover.  It's got the
Rick-o-sound feature and comes with a sturdy hardshell case.

I've actually only owned it for a short time; I sort of bought it
on impulse and shortly after realized that (a) I can't afford to
buy things on impulse and (b) I'm not really a Rick kind of guy.

I'm asking $300 plus shipping.

If you're interested, please e-mail me at thrash@virginia.edu.



scott
From: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Origin of "gig"
Date: 21 Nov 92 11:11:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: skids.eng.sun.com

In article 21001@iplmail.orl.mmc.com, day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the origin of the term "gig"?

According to my dictionary it is a slang term used by musicians for a ``playing job'', origin unknown.
I'd look back in Blues and Jazz history and see if I could discover first use.

---
" Acendo o cigarro para adiar a viagem,
 Para adiar todas as viagens,
 Para adiar o universo inteiro.
 Volta amanha, realidade! "
--Alvaro de Campos "Ode Maritima"  Alan Pope <alan.pope@Sun.COM> 


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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Summary: Devils advocate time...
Date: 14 Nov 92 21:42:00 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

(Not being on either side of this argument at the moment let me play
devils advocate)

In article <BxGo9K.Ato@cs.psu.edu>, fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.091041.11043@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
> |Some people are so overwhelmed ... that they'll be on this net for months
> |before realizing any such thing. 
> 
> Why not?  Didn't they read news.announce.newusers?

This presupposes that they are aware A) that the group exists and B)
exactly what it is for.  Every year at the end of summer we are faced
with what seems like lebenty-kazillion newbies who have merely been
given an account and nearly no guidance regarding Usenet.  As proof I
submit the number of test messages in discussion groups, DOS questions
in Unix groups, discussions in source groups, etc.  How do you deal with
all those people? Only have group re-orgs after December to give the
newbies time to discover things by accident?

And no, I don't _assume_ that the very name news.announce.newusers
should be meaningful to newbies. That's a dangerous assumption on
Usenet. 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: kwillia1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ken Williams)
Subject: Shipping a Peavey
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:07:55 GMT

Hi.  This is my first post on this newsgroup, so I hope I'm not breaking
any rules......

When I come back to college after Christmas, I plan on bringing my bass
with me.  The problem is, I'm taking a plane back (Northwest Airlines) and
I don't know whether it will be safe on the plane or not.  I've got a
Peavey bass with a hardshell case.  The case is good, it was made for the
bass and it fits very well, but I'm still kind of apprehensive. 
Incedentally, I don't remember the name or number of the bass, but it's a
fairly common one, I've seen it both fretted and fretless (I have frets),
it's very, _very_ heavy, and the body is kind of a combination dark natural
wood/black stain thing.  

I've thought about putting duct tape around it a few times, and then just
checking it.  I guess my main concern is that the case would come open, I
don't think it would just get crushed.  

And I don't think I can afford to ship it out here any other way.

Thank you very much.  If you'd like to respond, please e-mail me at
kwillia1@cc.swarthmore.edu

-Ken
Williams
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:05:02 GMT

In article <vcs1b4-@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>I am about to build one for myself and, as I always do before building, I figured
>out how much it will cost in parts.  I can build a stick for 250-300$ (with good
>pickups)!!!

Ok, I have to bite - wanna build me one? 8->

Seriously, you should tell us how it goes.  If you have the wherewithal to
DIY, go ahead and enjoy the substantial savings.  Alas, being a poor
student, and having just bought a Hartke cab (Heaven on Earth, mein
froinds), I'm out of the purchasing game for a while.  Pax.


  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
From: CA.JNL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joshua Loftus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:58:43 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov16.144635.16921@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans) writes:
>I personally think that bass tab could probably go right on r.m.m.bass.  It's
>not an extremely high-traffic group, so it'd be good to see some more activity.
>It'd be cool to see people talk about individual riffs and such right here on
>the group as well.
>
>If the tab volume starts to get large, then we could consider moving it to its
>own newsgroup, but til then I think we can keep it on r.m.m.bass.
>
>
>
>scott

This man has a very good point.  I'd go for it!

Josh
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass
From: pschwab@spanky.ece.uc.edu (Paul Schwab)
Subject: Korg A4
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:55:51 GMT

Hi bassheads:

Looking through my lastest catalogs from Musicians Friend, and American
Musical Supply, I noticed a Korg A4 floor effects box, which seems to
be pretty full featured, It has everything the A5 had, plus a chromatic
tuner, and some sort of "synth bass" sound thing.             

Has anyone out there gotten a chance to try one of these things out?
If so, I'd really be interested in your opinions.

-Paul

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From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: reply to Pickup question
Date: 15 Nov 92 09:56:46 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

>(Ralph Gonzalez) /  1:53 pm  Nov 14, 1992 /

>From my own (limited) experience, I suspect that you need a 
>new guitar, not new pickups. I think Chris Squire played
>a Rickenbacker bass, which is relatively lightweight and
>"lively" sounding. If you pick one up and play it without
>an amplifier, you hear a lot of tone. My Kramer, by comparison,
>sounds pretty "dead" with or without amplification.

Good answer, Ralph.  I second the notion you imply, that it is the bass
itself and not the pickups which determine the tone.  The pickups have
an effect, of course.  But the basic *sound* you are amplifying comes
from the string resonating on the instrument - this is as true of a
solid body electric bass as it is of a Stradivarius violin.  The pickup
is essentially just a filter.  The type and weight of the wood, as well
as the construction of the bass are the critical factors.

- Gary Rosen
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: reply to Pickup question
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:02:04 GMT

Ive found that light wood bodies such as swamp ash or pencil cedar tend to
produce a "brighter" sound and resonate more than heavy woods.  This may
be because the porous nature of these woods are better suited to resonate.
It's the same reason that acoustic guitars sound "brighter" than solid-bodies.

There is a builder that takes advantage of this principle in the *neck* of
the instrument.  He uses cedar and Douglas fir for the neck, reenforced with
graphite for strength.  Doug Fir is one if the stiffest woods avaliable for
its weight.  It's even stiffer than rock maple but is MUCH lighter.  This is
the reason is is used to build scaffolding. People who have played these
instruments have claimed that they even have some wolf notes (for you non-
acoustic players, wolf notes are notes that have a consistant, noticable tonal
difference from the other notes.  It is caused by *acoustic* interferences)!
You may say this is bad but it is a testament to the resonance of these light
woods.  Kramers, I believe, are made out of very heavy, dense woods.  They
even made their necks out of aluminum at one time.  This reflects the common
trend of thought in the 70's (ie:"denseness = sustain. We should compensate the
tonal loss with our amplifier/pickups") This attitude is slowly disappearing as
more builders concentrate on tonal enhancement rather than sustain.
From: bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:16:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.111633.15715
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Does anyone have the address for the makers of the Chapman Stick?  OR
does someone have a description, and an idea of how much one should
pay for the different sticks new and used?  Are there any used sticks
out there in netland?

Thanks

-- 
Benjamin Thompson                     My views are my own, as far as I know...
bthompso@reed.edu                     I go to Reed College --- You can trust me
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: pfaff@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.s.pfaff)
Subject: Bass and amp for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:13:15 GMT
Keywords: Yamaha, Ampeg


For sale - prices don't include shipping:
1.  Electric bass - Yamaha RBX550M, passive electronics, P-style
    pickup in neck position, J-style pickup in bridge position,
    bright yellow body with maple fingerboard, excellent condition,
    bright sound.  i paid $450 for it two years ago, will sell
    for best offer.  reason for selling:  i just bought a Carvin
    LB20.
2.  Bass combo amp - Ampeg B-15T, 100-watt transistor amp, portoflex
    style stores amp head in speaker cabinet when not in use. 
    cabinet has 15-inch 150-watt speaker.  excellent condition. 
    i paid $450 for it one year ago, will sell for best offer.
    reason for selling: i recently bought the Ampeg SVT-200T (375
    watts), so my little B-15T is redundant.  it's a great amp
    though, if 100 watts is enough for you.

call me at 908-583-0418 or reply via e-mail to mtu2d!pfaff
(bell labs system, if that helps you figure out how to get there)

john pfaff
From: bret@tfd.COM (Bret Weinraub)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Practicing with headphones
Summary: What about preamps
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:55:42 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC

I do my practicing through a Peavey PROBASS preamp that cost me about $195
new (I'm not sure how this price is).  It's pretty cool.  I plug
me stereo into the auxilliary input, my bass into the normal input,
and headphones into the headphone jack.  This allows me to adjust
the levels off both the stereo and my bass independently (which not all
headphone units allow).  I can also equalize my bass, which is nice.

Especially when considering that this is actuall preamp designed to
do signal processing for an amplifier (and is rack-mountable), it
is an extra bonus to find out that it blows away the headphone-units
I have seen.

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From: webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tab
Subject: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:13:52 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?


	I would like to propose a new group called rec.music.makers.bass.tab
There is a lot of exchange and request for bass music on the r.m.m.bass
group and even some on the r.m.m.guitar.tab group.  I think that bassists
should have a place to post music without having to weed out the guitar
music.  Please post all interests to this new group, do not mail me them,
(unless you really want to) so that everyone can participate in the creation
of this new group.
					Webb

+-------------------------------+---------------+-------------------------+
|   ___    ____                 | Factor Hartke | webb@chopin.udel.edu    | 
|  (   `--'  .-'         ___    |  Samson GHS   | Webb Pickersgill        | 
|  |8) O O  ||||||||||||||[_-~) | Ibanez A.R.T. | (302) 837-1861          | 
|  (__.--.__| Kubicki Factor    |   Digitech    | Bassist For:Seven Wishes|
+-------------------------------+---------------+-------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: gaduncan@halcyon.com (Geoff Duncan)
Subject: Re: Playing with your fingers
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:39:45 GMT

> I like to play bass with my fingers, for
> which I need to keep the nails short for that nice soft sound, but guitar too,
> and I need to have my nails somewhat longer, to be able to get a good sharp
> tone.  Conflict!  What's the solution? 

I've been in the same situation for years, and I've never found it to be a      problem.  I grow my nails long enough for guitar work (although not as
long as some players I know!), and I have found that they almost *never*
get in the way of my bass technique.  Now, I came to bass after having
played guitar for some time, so it could be that my bass technique evolved 
around my guitar technique. But I have been complimented repeatedly on
my "good right-hand form" as a bassist, so I'm not sure that's the case.

I find that I pick bass strings more with the pads of my fingers, whereas
when I finger-pick guitar, I am consciously "going for" the added tonality
of my nails, so I tend to curl my fingers a bit more than I would on bass.
When I play bass, my fingers are nearly straight; when I play guitar they're
curved into more of a claw.

Hope this helps!

Geoff Duncan
gaduncan@halcyon.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tab
From: rofitz@maths.tcd.ie (Ronan Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:43:59 GMT

richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog) writes:

>Hey!  Whoever had the idea to make rec.music.makers.bass.tab should be 
>given a Modulus Graphite 6-string fretless!

>Make it so!

>Roman Richardson
>-Ibanez RB800 Del

Yup! I agree totally.We dont all have ftp access...


-- 
Ronan Fitzpatrick                        <rofitz@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: additional speaker-box for tnt150 (peavy)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:50:54 GMT
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)

hi,
    i have the peavy tnt 150 combo and i'm pleased with
it. but i need more power and want to know about the
lineout at the front (this frequency-split-thing).

1. can i use it for a 2nd speaker-box and get an identical
   output (or only low or high)?

2. do i need an active-speaker box (amplified)?

3. recommendations for boxes (if possible a peavy of the
   same size?

thanx - tB!
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog)
Subject: Re: Victor Wooten Was: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:43:18 GMT

>	Does anyone out there have a Bella Fleck CD?  Is it any good?
>Is there anything available on video with Victor on bass?
>
>						Webb
>
>+-------------------------------+---------------+-------------------------+
>|   ___    ____                 | Factor Hartke | webb@chopin.udel.edu    | 
>|  (   `--'  .-'         ___    |  Samson GHS   | Webb Pickersgill        | 
>|  |8) O O  ||||||||||||||[_-~) | Ibanez A.R.T. | (302) 837-1861          | 
>|  (__.--.__| Kubicki Factor    |   Digitech    | Bassist For:Seven Wishes|
>+-------------------------------+---------------+-------------------------+

	 I have all three of their disks and like their newest one, UFO TOFU,
the most...then again they are all incredible.  I have seen their video at the 
local Title Wave, but I haven't rented or bought it yet. :(

From what I have seen you post i think you would go nuts over Vic.

--
 Roman Richardson	| "Funny thing about weekends when you're
 St. Olaf College	|  unemployed -- they don't mean quite
 Northfield, MN 55057   |  so much...except you get to hang out
 (507) 646-2258		|  with your workin' friends"    - Les Claypool, Primus
From: schouten@crhc.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Carvin LB75
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:12:56
Organization: University of Illinois Center for Reliable & High Performance
	Computing
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: calcutta.crhc.uiuc.edu

Does anyone have any experience with Carvin 5 string basses?
In particular I'm curious about the LB75.
The 2 aspects I'm most interested in are the sound of the low B
string, and the thickness of the neck.

Any input would be welcome.

Thanks!
Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Putting a tweeter into my Peavey 1516 cab
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:13:35 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

   I'd really like to get the kind of sound that cabinets with tweeters
have, such as the SWR,Eden,and Peavey 2 x 10's. However, since money is
becoming scarce, I though for the immediate future that i might put a
tweeter into my Peavey 1516 cab. For those not familiar with this cab, it
has two 8 icnh speakers on top and a 15 inch on the bottom. I went to my 
friendly music tech, and he said he could put in a tweeter and crossover
and attentuator control all for around $100.00. He also said that he
would let me try it out before I commit to permanent installation.

   This sounds like a great low cost addition to my sound. It does mean
cutting a whole between the 8's and the 15 however. I guess I only have
these questions:

1. Although the cab is biampable and has its own crossover(passive), I still
need a crossover between the 8's and the tweeeter. What frequency should I
cross this over at? 2Khz? 3? 4?

2. The tweeter will be positioned between the two sets of speakers. Most cabs 
with tweeters have them on top. I have no room for this. Will this placement 
seem usable sound wise?

  Sure, I'd like to buy that Eden 2 x 10 I tried today, or even the 1 x 10,
which is an incredibly nice cab for only having one speaker and a tweeter.
But, Xmas and bills and car insurance..etc. force me to be semi-responsible
and not blow all my money. This seems in theory to be a nice alternative,
what does anyone else think?



-- 
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 20 NOV 92 10:14:26    


In article <BARSZ.92Nov19153246@bmtlh168.bnr.ca>, barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski) writes...
>   Actually, you only need a half-cycle (one zero crossing), but even a 12 ms
>   delay is noticeable.
> 
>Err, references please.  Both for the fact that 12 ms delay is "noticeable"
>and that only a half-cycle is needed.  If I remember my Fourier analysis
>correctly (and I highly doubt it) then for sine wave analysis you need a
>full cycle to determine its frequency.  Hence you get the Nyquist (sp?)
>criteria that you have to sample at a minimum of twice the frequency you
>are trying to measure, so you can represent a full cycle.  As for a 12 ms
>delay being noticable, I highly doubt it.  As an analogy, keep in mind that
>movies go at 24 frames/sec which is 41 msec per frame, you are talking
>almost 1/4 of that.

OK, here goes.

Imagine you are looking at a sine wave and you detect a zero crossing, OK,
what information do you need to determine the frequency?  The distance to the
next zero crossing, i.e. one half-cycle.  Which is a sampling frequency of
twice the original wave, which is the Nyquist criteria, etc. etc. 

As for the 12 ms being noticeable, try this:

Plug into a digital delay set to 12 ms delay, no repeats and set the output mix
for delay ONLY, start playing and tell me if you can notice that.  I suspect
you will. 

Movies affect your eyes.  Peristence of vision is a phenomenon totally
unrelated to how our brains process sounds.

Hope that clarifies things.  The bottom line is the reduced tracking delay
makes the Peavey system potentially more usable than the older Roland GR bass
systems.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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