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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:58:25 EST
From: Rita Homsieh <RHOMSIE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "Palestinians" COME FROM?
 <1993Jan4.123546.6257@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
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Hello there
First I would like to express my appreciation for the Arab cleverness in breaki
ng another Jewish Myth: "Jews are smart"  I see many intellectual Arabs here, a
nd many intellegent things being said!
Then I would like to let my dear Jewish Friend know that I am not talking to hi
m from behind my veil.  I dont wear one, even though it is an honour!  Yes ther
e are many intellegent Arab women, you did happen to be around Arab that much.
I have the honour to be an Arab women, and I regret that I am not a Muslim.
For you information, the highest rate of educated Arab are the Palestinian, the
oppressed people!
Well, I was not refering to all the Jews when I said "closed minded" so your cl
aim of my antisemitic remark is illegible.  Moreover, my dear cousin, I would l
ike to ask you: how can I be antisemtic if I was semi myself, because as we all
know Arabs and Jews are from the same descent.  They even look alike.
Regarding my education, I would like your advice, I am majoring in Internationa
l Relations and Jewish Studies at the American University in Washington DC.  Is
there another place to get a "non-bias" education???? Maybe, I can get better i
nformation when I go to the Hebrew University next year to finish my degree???
All the information I gave you are from these sources.  So dear, I wonder who s
hould read better history books.  There are many Jewish and Israeli authors who
are there to tell you the truth.
Why did the Jews win Palestine??? if you remember my remarks??
Yes, Yes I believe yourHolocaust story, even though the Jews were not 6 million
s in Germany, but this is not the point.  I agree with you that the Jews were
discriminated against in Europe, but dear they did have power, the power of $$.
Read "Merchant of Venice" -- I believe it is a"credited"book! -- there are many
other sources.. The Arab Petrol was not found untill later, and this the only
International influence the Arab have now.
Regarding your claim that Druz are not Arab.  That is very very wrong, that ano
ther thing the "western" way of colonizing control the colonized people, by div
iding them.  Please next time have a better argument!
Additionally, I really do not appreciate the way you replied to my article, I t
hink,according to western values,you need to be more polite.
Please, do not misunderstand the point of my article, I am against racisim and
all kind of discrimination, I do believe that we are all human beings regardles
s of our differences.  Please, take this into consideration.
Na'em Meod!
Rita
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:23:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.002338.9832@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>First of all, you have an odd definition of non-violent.  Certainly, it
>could have been more violent; people could have been killed.  But
>rounding up people at gunpoint and kicking them out of the country is
>quite a stretch from non-violent.

It's relative, of course.  What passes for Holy Man in the Middle East
would be called Raving, Racist Butcher in almost any other region in
the world, even the worst of them.  By Middle Eastern standards, Hamas
and Palestinean criminals are being treated extremely gently by
Israel, and certainly much, much more daintily than these same people
are handled by their own governments.  Israel's treatment both of
Hamas and of the Intifada has been extremely non-violent, given the
context of the people involved and their actions.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Old may die...
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:19:04 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


01/03 Sarajevo's Aged To Die Of Cold
 
   ZAGREB, Croatia (AP) -- Thousands of elderly people will die in Sarajevo this
winter, particularly those already ailing, a U.N. official said Sunday.
   "Many of the old people over 70 will die, especially those ill with
arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes, probably some of the babies, as well as
down-and-out people who cannot help themselves," World Health Organization envoy
Donald Acheson said after returning from the besieged city.
   An estimated 60,000 of Sarajevo's 380,000 residents are older than 70, he
said.
   Other U.N. officials have warned tens of thousands may die from exposure or
starvation throughout war-ravaged Bosnia if the fighting continues and massive
aid does not arrive.
   Acheson said the most urgent need is to keep people warm. He proposed
interrupting the airlift of food for one week and using the planes to bring in
sleeping bags and blankets.
   "It is much easier to feed people who are somehow warm," he said. "Whenever I
mentioned sleeping bags, people became tearful."
   Acheson said in the three weeks before the humanitarian airlift was restored
Dec. 21, women had lost an average 24 pounds and men 16 pounds.
   And in the cold weather, they need about 25 percent more food, he said.
   Acheson said the same problem is facing citizens of Srebrenica and Gorazde,
east of Sarajevo, and Bihac and Cazin in the northwest -- all towns that have
been besieged for months.
From: irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
Subject: DROPLET VOL 1, NO 6, PART 2
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:16:50 CST

DROPLET VOL 1, No 6, Part 2

D R O P L E T
From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an

Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman
Said Nursi, 

The Risale-i Noor

VOL 1, No 6, Part 2
------------------------------------------------------------------
 ISLAM  VERSUS  WEST

	Know O Dear Friend! The following compares  western and Muslim
civilizations. Western 'civilization': It is a dreadful
barbarism wearing the cloth of civilization. Its outside shines
but inside burns. Its outer face is embellished but inner face
is ugly. Muslim civilization: Its inner face is light and outer
face is compassion. Its inner world is love and outer world is
brotherhood. Its form is cooperation and its moral is mercy.

Yes, the Muslim, since he/she regards the universe as a friend
as a consequence of the requirements of the belief in tawheed,
he/she is only connected with the whole creation, especially
with other people and particularly with fellow Muslims, by the
ties of brotherhood. The belief and tawheed make all Muslims as
brothers living under the roof of compassionate parents. The
unbelief or going astray injects such a coldness among human
that such a brotherhood gets dissolved, brother separates from
brother, and some kind of alienation seed grows among the
creatures.  It makes everything enemies to each other. 	Yes,
even if people of unbelief have some kind of brotherhood coming
from their nationalistic ties, it is only a temporary and
artificial  one. This brotherhood is limited and finite because
it faces an eternal separation and absence.  Yet, every
goodness, happiness, and progress seen in the western
civilization are all taken from the Islamic civilization, and
rooted in the guidance of the Quran as well as other previous
revelations.  This point is proven in my earlier works, the
Lem'at and Sunuhat. 
----------------------------------------------------------------
To be continued In$a Allah.
Your Br. Irfan in Islam.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ejordan@sirius.UVic.CA (Eric  Jordan)
Subject: electronic texts
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:40:22 GMT

Hello all,
	I have a friend who is looking for Hadiths collections (islamic
religious texts), in particular Bukhari and Muslim books that are in
an electronic form. The language could arabic, english or even french.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Since I don't regularly read this group, could you please email me directly?


	Thanks in advance,

		Eric Jordan
		ejordan@nero.uvic.ca

P.S. Please excuss any cross-postings.....
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "Palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:49:05 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>Well, I'm not gone yet (at least until one of your Mossad agents comes to
>take me away) ... Rita was responding the same way that the posters on
>s.c.j. do.  Why do you have to react so sarcastically all the time?

I hope you won't go. We just lost Elghani yesterday, we still need you!
As for being sarcastic all the time, I guess I was just born that way :-).

As for a handsome Mossad agent wanting to take you away, I will let you live
your own fantasy :-)
Please explain to me how s.c.j posters respond.

>What about your Druze colleagues?
I never really considered the Druze as being Arabs, I guess I was wrong.

>I'd like to erase Saddam's name also, Tsiel.
Well at least we agree on one thing!

>>My guess is that the stories will be quite different. The Arab history books
>>are probably closer to Sinbad the Sailor and the the Counts of 1001 nights.

>You really are biggotted, aren't you, Tsiel?

I'm sorry Anisa, but you took this out of context. I was saying that all
governments rewrite history. And I gave two or three other examples.
It is true that the example for Arab countries was maybe a bit too
colorful.


Tsiel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: What is  H a m a s  ??
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:19:05 GMT

In article <1ikh41INNh44@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> 
|> What happened to "the bottom of your honest shoe that is more human
|> and honest than me?" As i exactly predicted, this time you will be 
|> "soften" on me.  and next time is predetermined already...

Hamaza, one of Newton's laws of Mechanics states: "For every action there is
an equal and opposite reaction". I use the proven laws of Nature to quide
my arguments since those laws cannot be refuted and are not based on religious
doctorines that are subject to interpretations and visions.

|> 
|> What kind of contradiction is there?

It is a contradiction, Christians do not worship Jesus, they beleive he is
the son of God. Hence, God is not divided just because of the beleif in the
trinity.
 
|> 
|> You just wish and dream there is a contradiction in quran.  Try again!!

I do not make a living by trying to contradict your faith as you seem to have
the impression. It is the last thing I want in proving the Qur'an has
contradictions. If there were, you might have a heart attack, God forbids.

|> 
|> I advise you to re read the openning again.  it can be found in 
|> snake.mcs.kent.edu pub/quran/files.  see who is contradicting who?
|> you or quran.

I may not have provided the right translation, since I was going by the Arabic
version. However, Mazen Mokhtar has explained what I was refering to.

|> 
|> btw, where do you get these info from?  do your muslim friends
|> tell it to you.  i recommend you to check the sources before
|> you embarrass yourself.

Hamaza, oh Hamaza I am not embarrassing my self, on the contrary I am learning
since I cannot claim to know every thing about Islam. I think you should
concentrate on the Ijihad part, you could use a lot of it.

A.Faris
From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Are Lebanese considered ARABS?????
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:45:05 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1ipg3lINN3c9@life.ai.mit.edu>, gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer) writes:
> In article <1ikrtiINN2vp@uwm.edu> bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bashar Khairi Abouseido) writes:
> 
>>Fake Lebanese person !! You sound like a non-Lebanese and non-Arab
>>person ...
> 
Fake Lebanese Person....what a poor soul you are....(Bashar Khairi Abouseido)
Why I would love to hear what you are.....


What makes anyone more Lebanese than I?  Yeh...so what I was born in
Canada.....

Explain Please....


> He sounded like a genuine Carasso-person though.
> 

>>I won't bother responding to your "full of contradictions"
>>post.
> 
Perhaps....you cannot explain why many Maronites do not consider 
themselves as Arabs....( I am Rome Orthodox...I have no problem with being
An Arab.....)


> Good idea!
> 
NO COMMENT to you..


> Basalat Ali Raja.


John LAWEN
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:22:00 IST
From: Shaul Wallach <F66204@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Jews and Ozir (Was Re: What is H a m a s ??)

In article <1ifc8tINN9o4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>                                                          Jews beleive that
>Ozir was the son of God

     In Hebrew the name is Ezra, who was the leader of the exiles
who returned from Babylon during the Second Temple period. In the
Biblical book bearing his name it is told how he reissued to Torah
of Moses to the Jews who returned to the Land of Israel. According
to our Rabbis, he led the Great Assembly which lasted to the time
of Greek rule and was responsible for a number of enactments which
are mentioned in the Talmud.

     There is no trace anywhere in either Biblical or Rabbinic sources
to indicate that Ezra is considered in the very slightest to be the
son of G-d, Heaven forbid! Nor are any of the many angels in Jewish
lore ascribed any more than the status of mortal creatures. Even Jews
of the later mystic schools have always vigorously defended themselves
against charges that they address their prayers to the angels instead
of directly to God.

    The question therefore falls on the early Muslim writers to explain
how they came upon this utterly mistaken notion about the Jews and
Ozir. It could be that in the time of Islam there were still sectarian
Jews (such as the Jewish Christians) in Arabia from whom Muhammad
heard these variant beliefs. S. D. Goitein, in his book "Jews and Arabs",
has advanced the argument that such Jews were indeed some of Muhammad's
sources. Another possibility is that some Jewish beliefs were phrased
in metaphoric language that was misunderstood by the early Muslims and
taken literally to imply lack of pure monotheism.

>                Some Jews consider there is only one God, but they don't
>follow
>his rules, that are in Torah.  For example, torah says one thing but they do
>the other.  This means they don't listen to what God judgement is, rather they
>follow someone's else.

     If you mean here the secular Jews, who form the majority of Jews
in Israel today, then you are right in principle. A literal reading of
Jewish law itself does, in fact, give such Jews the status of Mushrikeen.
Accordingly, the Torah prescribes capital punishment, for example, for
public desecration of the Sabbath. However, in practice there are many
technicalities involved and these laws were only rarely invoked, even
when Jews were allowed to govern themselves by their religious law.
Even if the religious were to take control of Israel today, these
strict measures would not be applied because the vast majority of
the people are ignorant of the Torah and would be given the benefit
of the doubt.

>                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>_____________
>                 (______   _  |   _  |_
>_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |

Shalom,

Shaul Wallach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:44:54 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.93Jan10011532@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.223725.29938@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>You don't have the figures there because you are quite wrong.  Here
>are some numbers from 1978, courtesy of the US Arms Control and
>Disarmament Agency:
>
>                         Defense Budget          Standing Army
>                         (million US$)            (thousands)

>Total of above              19461                    1211
>
>Israel                       3914                     165
>
>You see, Israel is not outnumbered by an order of magnitude in either
>defense budgets or in standing army size (1978 figures).

An order of magnitude doesn't mean 10.00000 : 1.00000, but that is a
scientific argument.  Assuming your numbers to accurately reflect the
situation, Israel is still outnumbered by 5:1 and 8:1, just in these 
2 measures alone, not to mention aircraft and tanks.

>Also, Israel does not
>rely on a standing army for her defense, so the 165,000 number is a
>gross underestimate of Israel's real army.

Thanks for helping the gentle readers understand the extreme handicap
Israel experiences in trying to run a modern economy while
simultaneously defending itself from "the invading hordes" surrounding 
it.  As some of our Arab posters have noted, if there are 3,000,000
Jews in Israel, then there are 3,000,000 enemy soldiers to kill.

>Basically, you are full of it.  I stand by my original statement.

We can see that but we have trouble understanding how you do so.

>Consult the above table.  In 1978 it was $102,000 per soldier.  But
>even though Kuwait spent incredible amounts of petrodollars on their
>military, Israel spent about four times as much.

Thus, Israel might be expected to be overrun by an assault from a single
Arab country in four days, not the single day it took Kuwait to give
up the ghost.  Yet, Israel has withstood much larger forces for much
longer - and won.  Perhaps the Israelis know what they are doing in
managing their defenses.


-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Info request about Palestine-net
Summary: Please read the P.S.
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:13:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I am posting on behalf of someone who does not know about USENET, and
would like information on the Palestine-net mailing list.  If you know
how someone could subscribe to Palestine-net, please send the information
via E-mail to

Carol.B.Bardenstein@dartmouth.edu

Thanks,
Tamer Abdelgawad

P.S.:  Please note that responding to this post would send mail to *me*.
       I would appreciate it if you could send e-mail directly to Carol at
       the above address.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel)
Subject: Re: Hieroglyphics
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 13:06:19 GMT

Besides the features of the Rosetta Stone that Zafar mentioned,
there were also proper nouns on the stone.  These were
transcribed to Greek, and since we know what Greek sounds like,
they were able to begin to know somethings about what
the ancient egyptian language sounded like.

i think....

salaam
ayman


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From: lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfreyman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 16:06:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1993Jan6.230740.2896@tc.fluke.COM> <1iian6INNkp9@crcnis1.unl.edu>
  <1iibr3INN38p@news.aero.org>

|ith regarts,
|syed agha saeed naqvi

you have a very silly name.
please Go Away. thank you.
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| lord snooty @the giant |  inceptus clamor frustratur hiantes             |
| poisoned electric head |              andrew_-_palfreyman@cup.portal.com |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: He's finally arrived
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:27:00 GMT

oueichek@gram (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
> As a side question (this one can be a subject for a debate), does anyone
> among our fellows s.c.a readers have an experience with teaching their kids
> how to speak our natif language (Arabic, of course) at the same time with
> the environment language (in my case French). 

Most languages experts that I've heard say that a child is fully able
to learn two languages at the same time.  However, so that the child
does not confuse the two languages one parent should speak French to
the child and the other parent Arabic.

roger
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Yassin vs. Mubark
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:47:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


"The time will come where you will be me in my chair and I will be
in yours, and I will have no mercy on you."  Ahmad Yassin

This was said to the zionist judge at the time of Yassin's trial.


              ----          vs.       --------

"The one who does not fear America, does not fear Allah"  Hosni Mubark

This was said at the time of the Gulf war.

              ------        conclusion  -------

Arabs without faith = 0
                                   
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