HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Organization: Houston, TX
	<RJOHNSON.92Aug24093847@conus.shell.com>
	<17bihuINNp6r@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:39:43

regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
 >rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson) writes:
 >> >There *are* 1.5 million women, or thereabouts, every year who decide that
 >> >an abortion is a better option than bearing a child.  1.5 MILLION.  I
 >> >suppose 'they' 'inflate' the trauma (actually LIVE the trauma) whereas you,
 >>
 >>They don't LIVE the trauma, they AVOID the trauma...that is, after all,
 >>the purpose of abortion.

 >Interesting.

Thank you.  8^)

 >First, Roy tells us that childbearing probably isn't as traumatic as 'they'
 >may think it is,
 >Then he tells us that abortion isn't traumatic, either.

The trauma I've been referring to is the trauma of childbirth.  Whether
abortion is traumatic or not, they choose it over childbirth because
they believe that childbirth is unthinkable.  This belief is firmly
established in society, enough so that I find it to be an assumption
made my many people.  If you assume the result, it isn't a very thorough
examination.

 >Roy, Please tell us one more thing:
 >Just where do you get your information?

Gee, I know people who've had abortions.  Imagine that.

 >Ok, two more things:

 >Just where do you get your information?
 >and
 >What makes you think it's better than the information 1.5 million women
 >each year have?

I've heard their explanations, and they weren't very thorough.
--
Roy Johnson, who is not Kibo
Shell Development Company (but speaking for myself)
"There's a big difference between being a lesbian and being a male!"
			-- tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Sam Walton
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:25:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug25.035503.26120@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>sj> Stephen Jascourt
>mp> Mike Van Pelt


>sj> But ultimately, one is motivated to accumulate wealth regardless of what
>sj> effect that has on the society-- including accumulating wealth at the
>sj> expense of other people rather than in a way in which they benefit too.

>  Any examples? Sam Walton accumulated more wealth than anyone. Whom did he
>  exploit and cheat? 

Well, you see, Sam Walton drove thousands of small store owners out of
business.  And the right of those store owners not to be driven out of
business by a more efficient competitor outweighed the right of their
customers to get more product choices for a cheaper price... and yes,
I am being sarcastic.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:45:30 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: rivero@mdcbbs.com's message of 27 Aug 92 10:26:32 GMT

>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 10:26:32 GMT, rivero@mdcbbs.com said:

> In article <1992Aug26.135832.7406@linus.mitre.org>, bwise@hemlock.mitre.org (Barry Wise) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug26.040745.3040@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF  
>> THE YEAR) writes:
>>> This isn't meant as a flame, but I seem to remember that after everyone
>>> one these "boom" periods there was a severe recession. 
>>> Does anyone have a theory on this?
>> 
>> An engineer would call it overshoot.
>   It's simpler than that. Any system controlled by positive feedback
> will develop severe oscillations, and yet there is no economic process
> in use that DOESN'T act as positive feedback.

Reminds me of a conversation with an economist friend of mine in college.

He explains some basic economics.
Me: "So basically you're trying to predict the behaviour of an oscillator
     without knowing the gain or the phase change in the feedback, by
     carrying out experiments with no control?"
Him: "What?"
I explain some basic engineering.
Him: "Yes."
Me: "So what use is economics?"
Him: "Well, I hope to get a job out of it..."

>  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  Middle-Aged Mutant Ninja Animator
Hows the Attic? - sorry I couldn't be there for the opening party.
--
Alan Braggins, Shape Data (A Division of EDS Ltd), Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
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Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:15:15 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: It's all *relative*, man!

In article <9209020733.AA08322@tba.msi.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> The Crimes of Nicaragua
> 
> 
>     AMONG THE FOUR COUNTIES in the region where Oxfam America works
>     [Nicaragua, El Salvador, guatemala, and Honduras], only in
>     Nicaragua has a substantial effort been made to address inequities
>     in land ownership and to extend health, educational, and
>     agricultural services to poor peasant families. But the contra war
>     had slowed by pace of social reform and compounded hunger in the
>     northern countryside.
> 
>         --Oxfam America report on Central America

	Hee hee.  "In talking with a murderer, rapist, thief and con-artist,
we determined that the thief was the most lawful."

	Spekaing of damning with faint praise :), why didn't Oxfam protest the
Sandinista land theft at the end of their term?

Brett                                                      
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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Who Were the "Contras" ?  (II)
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:33:05 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

Who Were the "Contras" ?  (II)

       "Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and
       took out her heart. The men had their arms broken, their
       testicles cut off, and their eyes poked out. They where killed
       by slitting their throats, and pulling the tongue out through
       the slit."

Survivor's account of a contra attack. Jonathan Steele and Tony
Jenkins, Manchester Guardian Weekly, Nov. 25, 1984. [Cited in _Turning
the Tide_ (see below)]



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From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (Autonome Forum)
Subject: AF/ATS: update on Rostock pogrom
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:34:45 GMT

subject: Rostock pogrom update
posted by: AF/ATS
--

Update on the Pogrom in Rostock


    As reported, the attack against the refugee home in Rostock reached
its worst point Monday night, as the crowd of 900, mostly young people
stormed the 'home' and set fire to the lower floors.  
Yesterday I saw a TV report made from inside the building as it was burning.
The police and fire fighters watched on a few hundred meters away as
the racist crowd set fire to the building where 150 Vietnamese refugees,
a few supporters and a camara team were trapped.  Those inside tried to
call the police emergency line and the fire department 20, 30 times,
but either the line was disconected, bussy, or the people on the other end
weren't convinced of the seriousness of the matter.  As the racists
made their way up the building, floor by floor setting fires, the people
trapped on the top floor tried desperately to get to the roof, which
was blocked by a steel door.  Then the power went out.  Eventually
they made it onto the roof and into the next building where some, but
not all the residents opened their doors and let the people in.
    Basically this happens every week in the united Germany, but not
so extreme.  Also this time there was a camera team from national
telivision, who went through the same fear as the refugees, not
knowing if the police would come, if they would be burned alive.
In this case the whole nation has seen what these refugees have gone
through and have seen the ineptitude of the police and local politicians.
Faced by such an extreme case of racism, the government will
have to respond.  But we can't let the government off the hook.  They
are partly responsible with their attempts to limit the asylum right,
with their demonizing of refugees.

The anti-fascist movement in germany was quick to respond.  Most of the
news has not yet reached me, but I know that there was a demo in
Frankfurt on Monday with 150 people and on tuesday with more people.
Also on tuesday there was a demo in Weimar with 100 people.  Like I
wrote in the last posting there was a demo in Bonn with 150
autonomists resulting in several broken windows.  I have also
heard of a demo in Rostock already.  Also in Rostock a bar
frequented by right wing skin-heads was burnt down.
Today there is another demo in Weimar and tomorrow in Erfurt.  On Saturday
there is a nation-wide demo in Rostock.  If you can't come in person
think of solidarity actions you can organize where you live.
If you need more info, write me and I'll try to get it to you.

McKay

xmr@rz.uni-jena.de
mckay@igc.org


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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 23:40:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <ART.92Aug29104914@world.std.com> <1992Aug30.134614.8579@vax.oxford.ac.uk>

>> Unarmed?  Unarmed?  What was the machete for?  To cut a tough steak?
>
>Well, I think in these kind of cases she might have been given the
>benefit of the doubt.  Or maybe you've never had to eat a tough steak ...
>
>Jason

Is there no end to cruelty?  First Mother Teresa with a Machete gets
bullet-raped, and now people suggest that she would do something as
depraved as eat beef...


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
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  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
From: estrella@cass.ma02.bull.com (Gustavo Estrella)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: CUBA: TV and U.S. "Embargo" vs "Blockade"
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:41:41 GMT
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.

------------------- Quoting ---------------------------------------------

> SJR:  The U.S. media calls the policy an "embargo."  Why do you and
> the Cuban government call it a "blockade"?
>
> Reed:  The Cubans say its a blockade in violation of international
> law because it goes beyond limits on trade between the U.S. and
> Cuba.  Last year the Treasury Department got $40 million more than
> they asked for to enforce it.  It must be the single case where
> somebody got more money than they asked for out of Congress.  So
> Treasury is rolling with money to go sniping at people all over the
> world.

The Cuban Stalinists call it a blockade because they like all other Stalinists
are liars, and must redefine reality to fit ideology.

If it is indeed a "blockade", please post the names and hull numbers of the
ships taking part....


------------------ End of Quoting -------------------------------------

If my memory serves me correctly, when I was taking political foundations
class in Havana (around 1979), the teacher explained that the embargo
was the "US capitalist pigs' response to Cuba nationalizing all major US
company assets, such as ATT, Shell, etc.".  I never hear this mention at
all in the discussions of the embargo.


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Subject: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:41:47 EST
 <1992Aug25.001721.3726@desire.wright.edu> <1992Aug25.173645.16913@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.173645.16913@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
...
>>	In the last 100 years we've have four "boom" periods.  Each and every
>>one resulted from (in part) taxes being lowered.
> 
> We got 1920's (1924-1929, Coolidge tax cut) 1960's (1964-1969, Kennedy
> tax cut) and 1980's (1983-1989, Reagan tax cut).
> So what's the 4th boom period?
> 
	1890s.  (Thus "100 years" instead of this century.)  Sorry about that. 
I thought I had put in the dates.                          

Brett                                                      
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From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:46:14 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <ART.92Aug29104914@world.std.com>, art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
> In article <m9dnzfm.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
>    Thus spake jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins): 
>    >Nice to know you've got an open mind on this.  If I'm holding a gun on somebody
>    >and they come at me I'll shoot.  Probably 15 times before stopping for 1.2
>    >seconds to reload.  I don't care if they're armed or not.  If they're crazy
>    >enough to attack then god knows what they'll do if they get my gun away.
>    >And if you think I'll take the chance of losing the gun to a 100 pound 
>    >lunatic then your elevator doesn't quite reach the top floor.
>    >
> 	   What a perfect demonstration of a need for gun control!
> 
> 	   Anyone who would shoot down an unarmed 100 lb mentally ill woman
>    (which you just said you would do) needs therapy, not firearms!
> 
> Unarmed?  Unarmed?  What was the machete for?  To cut a tough steak?

Well, I think in these kind of cases she might have been given the
benefit of the doubt.  Or maybe you've never had to eat a tough steak ...

Jason
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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.women
Subject: WOMEN RADIO LISTENER ALERT!
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

(note the email address for Womens International News Gathering
Service (either that or I'm pretty close; WINGS for short) below --
they should have more info --Harel

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   "The National Women's Agenda: What Women Want and How They Plan 
to Win It" is a program being released to public and community radio 
stations via satellite on September 10 (at 2 p.m. Eastern Time). 
Please write or call your local stations and ask them to carry 
this program and when it will air. The show is sponsored by 
national women's organizations and features organizers and 
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   Cassetttes will still be available after the release date from 
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From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Mr. Magic)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: BUSH Administration Hushes Auto Efficiency Studies
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:57:55 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <31AUG199223103328@zeus.tamu.edu>, mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
|> Harel autoposter rides again:
|> 
|> >    Under pressure  from  the Bush  Administration,  the Environmental
|> >Protection Agency (EPA) this year  stopped publishing an annual report
|> >which showed new cars' fuel efficiency could be significantly enhanced
|> >without changing car size.  
|> 
|> >    A  Center for Auto Safety analysis of  EPA's 1992  data showed that
|> >the passenger car fleet would attain  an average of 35 miles  per gallon
|> >(mpg) if every car  did as well as  the best car  in its class, without
|> >requiring any new technology or shifts to smaller  cars.  According to CAS,
|> >shifting to a  "best-in-class" fleet would save 800,000  barrels of gas per
|> >day and would reduce annual carbon dioxide emissions by 125  million tons.
|> >The Sierra Club says that reducing auto pollution  is the clearest way
|> >to curb threatened global warming, and that raising the CAFE standards
|> >to 40 mpg will save the average  U.S. family $650 per year  at the gas
|> >pump.
|> 
|> 
|> 	This has to be one of the worst researched, worst thought out,
|> 	and worst argued things I've seen this year.
|> 
|> 	The "best in class" idea is, at the least, juvenile, and is
|> 	nothing more than some idiot playing wishful thinking with
|> 	statistics. Of course, it's not presented as a stand-alone
|> 	proposal. It is used in a half assed attempt to justify the
|> 	the 40mpg CAFE standards (CAFE being a childish idea
|> 	to begin with). 
|> 

[more stuff irrelevant to this posting has been deleted]

'cuse me asking but would somebody enlighten the people (well, me at least) on this
side of the ocean what CAFE is?  Cars and Fuel Efficiency?

Michael
From: mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Blue Rage)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:59:43 GMT

	It is clearly a very important thing to some that Jesus was
white.  So I will concede the point in the interest of saving bandwidth
and ask that we all now move on to the second point I made, which is
that regardless of Jesus' whiteness, he does qualify in the "dead" and
"male" categories.

	But I'm not going to jettison Christianity for being founded by
a now-dead, maybe white male.  I'll jettison it because it does not
speak to me with any power, the same way much of the "canon" of western
culture does not speak to me.

-- 
Michael Hall    mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
"If you're not revolting against work, you're working
against revolt." - Bob Black

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