HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: klg0582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken-Huang Lin)
Subject: Help on using United Airline credit coupons
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:03:56 GMT


  I have 4 United Airline credit coupons each of which has a $87.5
value (total $350) that I gained in an overbooked flight.  I have some
questions regarding these coupons.  Your answer would be highly
appreciated.

(1) Do I have to buy tickets from United Airline directly or can I deal
with travel agent?  What if I buy tickets from travel agent by mail?

(2) Are these coupons good for published discount rate such as staying
over Saturday night or non-refundable tickets?

(3) Are the coupons limited to domestic fights?

(4) Any limitation for the transfer to family members or friends?

thanks in advance,

Ken H. Lin
khlin@uiwpls.ece.uiuce.edu
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey Jean Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: HELP WANTED!!! Cheap airfare from Rochester to NYC!!!
Summary: Going home to see family!! 8-)
Keywords: Tight budget! Sick of 8 hour bus/train rides!
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:52:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Hi all,

	I would like to go home and see my family for Thanksgiving. The 
problem is that the airfare is so high. It's around $215 for a Roundtrip 
fare right now if I purchase a ticket 2 weeks in advance. I was told that
the airfare was about $155 last year at this time. Does anyone know if it's 
possible for me to purchase a ticket at that price? I wish to leave on
Tuesday night (11/24) and return Sunday night (11/29). The flights would be
from Rochester airport (Greece, I believe) to La Guardia airport in NYC. Any 
information would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!!! PLEASE help out a struggling 
college student who misses home and would like to see his family (and kitten)
before the Rochester blizzards hit in. Thanks in advance!

						    Mikeey
					mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

PS I used to take Greyhound and Amtrak to save money, but decided that I will 
   NEVER EVER* take them again in my life because:
   
   1)My jacket was stolen from my seat while I was asleep. (Greyhound)
   2)I lost my wallet on my way out of the train station. (Amtrak)
   3)I was CONNED $20 at the Port Authority Terminal by a stranger.(Greyhound)
   4)I was ATTACKED by a smelly drunk at Madison Square Garden (Amtrak)
   5)16+ hours wasted traveling (assuming no long delays) when I could be 
     spending the time with my family at home.
	
  * assuming that I have other alternatives other than taking the train or bus.
    (if I have to, I think I might walk the 400 miles home instead...arrgghh!)

PPS If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks!!!
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel.marketplace
From: amck@mcc.com (Alan McKendree)
Subject: Austin TX-Orlando FL TKT WANTED
Organization: MCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:55:50 GMT


I need to go from Austin, TX to Orlando, FL.  I want to leave Austin
late afternoon Friday Dec. 4 and return after 6:00 p.m. Sunday Dec. 6.
Does anyone have a ticket, coupon, voucher, etc. they'd like to sell
me?

E-mail, please, to amck@mcc.com (I'm posting this from a friend's
account, my newsposter's busted), or call at 512-338-3464 from 1-5
p.m. Central time, or 512-472-9543 outside of those hours.

Thanks,

Alan
| Steven Rogers  MCC/ESL  3500 West Balcones Drive
| Austin, Texas 78759-6509  (512) 338-3691 srogers@mcc.com
| Everything is disclaimed -
| Contents have spontaneously generated and posted themselves
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delay to get DL FF awards
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:00:57
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: henry@ADS.COM's message of Mon, 2 Nov 1992 09:07:55 GMT


> geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt) wrote: 
>->I'm about to finally collect on some DL awards and I'm wondering how
>->fast I will get them..

On Mon, 2 Nov 1992 09:07:55 GMT, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) said:
>TW took at least two weeks to mail me award certificates...
> ... AA took at least a week to send me an upgrade award...
>
> [go] to a DL ticket
> counter (i think there's one on boylston street in boston, and there's
> certainly one at the airport).

This points out the advantage in how United and Northwest deal with
awards.  Every 20,000 miles earned, you automatically get a 20,000 mile
certificate sent to you.  On Northwest, you can use this certificate as
an actual domestic flight ticket, without ever having to exchange it at
all.  Alternatively, you can exchange it at a city ticket office for 
international awards.  

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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: LA Airport
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Nov8.094409.21469@ohare.Chicago.COM>
	<1992Nov8.163930.28029@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:01:03 GMT

Noah> == Noah Cole <ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu> 
Karl> == Karl Swartz <kls@ohare.Chicago.COM>

 Karl> Not true.  *Most* flights on international airlines leave LAX
 Karl> from the Tom Bradley Terminal, but not *all*.  Virgin Atlantic
 Karl> used United's terminal 7, at least until quite recently.  Strange
 Karl> bedfellows indeed!  Air Canada and Canadian both used terminal 2,
 Karl> though they've now moved to Bradley.  Avianca still departs from 2.

 Noah> Why does Virgin use the United Terminal.  At Boston Logan, tjhey
 Noah> don't use Terminal E either (TYerminal E is the International
 Noah> Terminal used by BA, AF, AC, LHm, and other international
 Noah> airlines).. they (Virgin) use Terminal B I think.  Sabena also
 Noah> useed another terminal.  Does anyone know why this is?

Hah! That's an *easy* answer.

Boston Logan is *packed*, especially Terminal E. It's so full that "Gate
1" in Terminal E (Which is Northwest's gate) is really in Terminal D! (I
kid you not, if you depart from Gates 1c, 1d, or 1e, be prepared for a
hike!) 

VS (Virgin) isn't the only airline flying international flights out of
somewhere other than Terminal E. Lufthansa departs from Terminal D (the
only scheduled airline to fly out of that terminal -- this is if memory
serves, I haven't been to terminal D lately :-). Sabena and Qantas
depart from terminal B. TWA is out of terminal C. The only terminal
which *doesn't* have international departures is Terminal A (the
ex-eastern terminal, which is currently being shuffled about, due to the
Big Dig). 

I would *prefer* to depart from somewhere than Terminal E. If you've
been to Terminal E during the red-eye (6pm-9pm) period, it's *packed*.
You can barely move, and if you ask someone to move, half of the time
they don't understand you because they don't speak English. (hey, I'm
not flaming, just commenting). The ticket counters are split half and
half. Northwest has half of the space (and its flights are all day, not
just a three hour time period), and the International Airlines (Air
Canada, Air Atlantic, Aer Lingus, British Airways, Air France, El Al,
etc) all share a very small space. Well, it isn't very small when
there's noone there, but when there are 5 747's sitting on the ramp and
all of the people about to get in those planes at the ticket counters,
well, it can get "cosy". ;-)

--Helen
--
Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>
Electronic Frontier Foundation   	email eff@eff.org for EFF Info
Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Flames to: 
Systems and Networks Administration	women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org
From: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Credit Card for Continental FF Miles ?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:32:16 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Reply-To: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cquad4.larc.nasa.gov

Are there any credit card companies in which purchases count
toward frequent flier miles with Continental Airlines ?


David W. Sleight                              U. of Illinois '91
NASA Langley Research Center        Aerospace Engineering
Hampton, Virginia
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: U.S. domestic fare war  --  Part Two of the winter sale
From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:36:08 PST
Distribution: na
Organization: San Francisco State University
Keywords: airfares, sale

Hmmm...
I bought a ticket to SFO from Cedar Rapids, Iowa for $450.00
it was on Wednesday, Nov. 25, 1992 flight.. Is there a way to get a refund?
Its $270.00 on sale...
-- 
Mul			    |  Alt. address: sulistio@sutro.sfsu.edu
sulistio@futon.sfsu.edu	    |		     sulistio@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
#include "std/disclaimer.h" | NeXTmail ->    sarong!sulistio@cs.sfsu.edu 
>Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Delay to get DL FF awards
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:15:04 GMT

kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) wrote: 
->This points out the advantage in how United and Northwest deal with
->awards.  Every 20,000 miles earned, you automatically get a 20,000 mile
->certificate sent to you.

actually, on united, you get 4x5000 award cheques.

the disadvantage, of course, is that the clock starts ticking as soon
as you've earned 20k miles; i've received awardcheques from united
which were printed several *weeks* before they were mailed.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: gkn@ucsd.edu (Gerard K. Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: 3 digit codes
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:35:15 GMT
Organization: TGV, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Summary: STC = St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Nov4.232146.27574@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.stanford.edu (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Does anyone know what airport the 3 digit code "STC"
>stands for?  Where is it?

I think it's St. Cloud, MN, USA.

Cheers,


-- 
Gerard K. Newman,  TGV, Inc.  603 Mission St.  Santa Cruz, CA  95060
gkn@tgv.com | 619.591.4717 (voice+fax) | 800.TGV.3440 | 408.427.4366
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: U.S. domestic fare wars
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:54:50 GMT

kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>mayorga@oin.cis.udel.edu (Anibal Mayorga) writes:
>> Does anyone know if it is possible to buy one of these discounted tickets &
>> then pay only $25 to change the dates of departure to a date that is after 
>> the deadline for the discounted fare?  (ie. I need to travel BWI-SMF in 
>> april but the discount is valid only if I travel before Feb-25).
>
>The ticket will probably be issued with a "NOT VALID AFTER" date of 
>FEB 25 1993, which means exactly that--the ticket is not valid after
>Feb 25th and can't be reissued for a ticket after Feb 25th.
>

   Not quite...  they will let you re-ticket for a date after the sale ends,
BUT they will charge you the difference between the fare you paid and the
lowest fare available for the new day.

Greg


-- 
Greg Lyon	gl1@cec2.wustl.edu	Proud that I voted for Clinton/Gore '92 

    "I don't think I ever lied.  I have said some things that didn't
     work out to be true." - (Former) President George Bush 10/30/92
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Redeeming FF awards (was Delay to get DL FF awards)
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:39:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: stsci.1992Nov9.213959.4131
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute


>> geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt) wrote: 
>>->I'm about to finally collect on some DL awards and I'm wondering how
>>->fast I will get them..

>On Mon, 2 Nov 1992 09:07:55 GMT, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) said:
>>TW took at least two weeks to mail me award certificates...
>> ... AA took at least a week to send me an upgrade award...

>> [go] to a DL ticket
>> counter (i think there's one on boylston street in boston, and there's
>> certainly one at the airport).

In article <KMEYER.92Nov9130057@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>This points out the advantage in how United and Northwest deal with
>awards.  Every 20,000 miles earned, you automatically get a 20,000 mile
>certificate sent to you.  On Northwest, you can use this certificate as
>an actual domestic flight ticket, without ever having to exchange it at
>all.  Alternatively, you can exchange it at a city ticket office for 
>international awards.  

Well, it depends on your preference.  With USAir, at least, the miles
are there "forever" until you ask for them.  With Northwest and United,
once you hit 20,000 miles and once the tickets/certificates are sent to
you, the clock starts ticking.  With American, the clock starts
ticking once you *earn* a mile.  I'd rather do it USAir's way.  On the
other hand, I like that the certificates you receive are actually two
separate one-way tickets.  I'd like that option combined with USAir's
unexpirable miles.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: news@nd.edu
Subject: AMEX miles for FF program?
Reply-To: news@nd.edu
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:35:01 GMT


puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:
> Yes, American Express.  You must pay $25 to join their "Membership
> Miles" program.  This program allows you to convert 1 mile for each
> dollar spent to either Delta, Southwest, One Pass, or Northwest.

Can those miles got from AMEX be combined with the miles accumulated from a particular FF program to get some richer rewards?
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: angelo@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Angelo Gunasekera)
Subject: 2 continental one way tickets (Sacremento to LGA-NY)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:49:39 GMT


For Sale:

2 Continental one way tickets from Sacremento (CA) to LGA (NY)- Nov. 19,
1992 (Via Houston INTL IAH) 

call 908-463-7368 for info or
leave a message at angelo@bigvax.princeton.edu       



2
k

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,connect.audit
From: alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon)
Subject: Re: Layover in London-What/how to do?!
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:52:55 GMT

Which London Airport are you coming into and which one are you departing
from? What time of day do u you land and which day of the week. If you give 
me this info I will be able to help you.
As to a visa for England get in the USA or you could see very little of 
London. A visa at the airport can take up to 3 hours to get.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: AMEX miles for FF program?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:38:32 GMT

hafer@apple.com (Rob Hafer) wrote: 
->
->The cool thing is that AMEX will refund the pro-rated portion of the
->($20-$35) additional cardmember fee (which means that this process usually
->costs less than $5).

i'm always getting offers of the sort "we'll let you add additional
cardmembers for free" as a promo, so if you get this then you win ...
of course, you *are* liable  for charges made on the additional
cardmember card, so you have to be careful with this method.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
# for information on the league for programming freedom, 
# write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: un040134@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: WANTED: AIRLINE CERTIFICATE/VOUCHER!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:19:09 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


I would like to purchase Airline Certificate or Voucher for any 
Domestic route Airline.

	1) I am looking for cheapest price.
	2) For Vouchers, namechanging is sometimes aproblem, but i
will still consider offers.
	3)for Certificates, namechanging is usually no-problem.
	4) i am looking for round-trip offers only.
	5) if u have any other cheap travel package- make offer
        6) i am planning to travel coast-coast.
		
		Please reply with offer by email .
	
			thanks,
				Anosh.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: AAdvantage travel
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 14:29:27 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14k by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Nov4.222815.29663@funlwb.enet.dec.com> phelps@redbck.stl.dec.com (steve phelps) writes:
>       I have some Aadvantage mileage I would like to claim for awards,
>
>       What ammount of flexibility is there in booking with the Plan Ahead
>awards compared with the Anytime awards, ie what book ahead time is needed for
>US domestic travel and US/Europe travel, and can I use a US/South America 
>award for US domestic travel ?
>
>       Is it better to take Anytime, or Plan Ahead awards - are the Plan Ahead
>award seats difficult to get ?

As the name implies, you have to plan ahead to use the Plan AAhead awards.  
How long in advance depends on where you are going and when.  I have always 
tried to book at least 2 months in advance and I have not had a problem 
getting a seat so long as I am willing to be flexible in my plans.  I cashed 
in some miles to take my wife with me to Comdex this month and even though I 
was flying to Las Vegas on possibly the busiest weekend of the year (they 
get a LOT of people at Comdex and AA is the "official" airline) I was able 
to get her a ticket on the Saturday afternoon prior to the show.  I would 
have prefered flying in the morning, but I had to take what was available.  
Flying back on Wednesday, I had no problems getting the flight I wanted.  

As for getting the Anytime awards, they cost twice as much as the Ahead 
awards, so you should only use them when you absolutely must get on a flight 
for free and there are no more free seats available.  I am under the 
impression that you can use this award whenever any coach seat (ie, even 
class Y) is available.  

As for using a South America award for domestic travel, I assume you cannot, 
but why not ask AAdvantage (1-800-882-8880).  You'd be wasting miles if you 
did, anyway.  I guess there is something to be said for United's 
MileageCheck system.  

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Former Soviet Union
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.202044.13868@news.csuohio.edu> root@valhalla.csuohio.edu writes:
>In an article about current conditions in the former Soviet Union, in an October  
>issue of Barron's, I read that there have been approximately 30 mid-air collisions  
>during the past year.  This seems improbable.

This is quite a bogus.
I wonder if the whole decade could yield that awfull amount.
Must be a plain soviet-bashing, IMO.

Yet domestic flights of AF are indeed less reliable and less safe than
anywhere in the West.

	D
From: atkinson@owlnet.rice.edu (Laura Michelle Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Chase Credit Card/USAir vouchers
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:34:18 GMT
Organization: Rice University

My family has moved recently, and in the flurry of packing and unpacking, my $129/189 USAir voucher from Chase was misplaced.  Does anyone know if I have any chance of replacing it?  Should I just call them and beg, or what?  Any advice available is appreciated. Thanks.

Laura Atkinson
atkinson@owlnet.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Effects of AC with Continental // PWA (CAI) with American ?
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:14:56 GMT

hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:

>(Follow-ups directed to rec.travel.air)

>If I understand this correctly, Air Canada has bought part way into
>Continental Airlines to keep both companies somewhat "afloat."
>As well, I understand (rumour?) that PWA (the parent company of
>Canadian Airlines International) is planning to buy into American Airlines.

I think the deal with AA is off because the government will not commit
any funds for bridge financing even though the employees upped their
investment.

>With Air Canada's latest move, this effectively eliminates any
>possibility of a merger between AC and CAI in the near future.

>In any case, what do people think will be the effects, if any?

I think the Mulroney government will screw CAI and help out Air Canada
because 10,000 jobs in Montreal are politically more important than
10,000 jobs in Western Canada. 


-- 
============================================================================
"We've got to get bigger guns" -- Dick Durkin                  schuck@sfu.ca
============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: raford@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Ford)
Subject: Moncton,NB --> Toronto,ON
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:13:28 GMT

Hi,
  Anybody need a one-way ticket from Monton to Toronto on January 4, 1993?
Flight is direct non-stop on Air Canada.


Robert Ford
From: gabele@austin.ibm.com (Carol Gabele)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Luggage Storage in Frankfurt
Keywords: Luggage Storage
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:38:37 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: gabele@inetnode.austin.ibm.com


My parents are planning an extended trip to Russia, India, and the
Mediterranean.  (I hope I can do so well when I retire!).  

This means they have to take clothes for warm and cold weather.  They
would like to store some luggage in Frankfurt for about 2 months while
they are in warmer climates.  Then, pick it up before they return home.

Does anyone know how/if this can be done?  How secure is it?  Any ideas
on price?

Thanks very much,
Carol
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: What can I do as a Premier United MP Member?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.140947.18760@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>From what I know of it, Premier members receive a bonus of 25% on all
>paid United miles, priority boarding, 24-hour advance confirmed
>upgrades, and something I think is a neat idea: United will do
>everything they can to give you an empty seat next to you in coach
>(just reserve a window or aisle seat and Premier members will be the
>last to have somebody put in the middle seat next to them).  That was
>very welcome on the flight from Sydney to Los Angeles.
>
>If you like the airline clubs, you get $100 off the United Red Carpet
>Club.
>

You also get priority on being bumped up.  (I was upgraded from Economy to
Business/Connoisseur class on a Paris-Chicago flight this summer.)

You also get to have a Mileage Plus First Card Gold Visa for the price of a
regular visa (worth it for me), and you can get a year's free Hertz #1 
Gold Card (which I got, but haven't bothered to use, but maybe it's useful
for some people).

Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
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