HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Killfiles
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:42:08 GMT
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises


In article <1992Jul31.173318.20436@u.washington.edu>, jswthomp@milton.u.washington.edu (James Thompson) writes:
- 
- This doesn't prove anything.  The system I regularly work on is invisible to
- the net (i.e., incoming mail bounces, although I can send mail out and
- can receive mail from other users on the local net.)  I think this is a
- side-effect to some anti-hacker practices in use here.  It doesn't mean that
- my computer doesn't exist.
- 
- Also, I have access to a number of machines here, so if I wanted to, I could
- post messages from numerous addresses just like Mike's evil twin, without
- having to make anything up.
- 
- Making accusations about Mr. Tai without any better basis than this is
- counterproductive, as you simply continue to bait him.
- 
I seem to recall that someone has verified with a sysadmin at NCSU that there
is no such machine. Nor is there any "Scott Tai" in the school directories
(though, admittedly, he could have requested not to be listed).

However, there's one key difference: he knows that the email address in his
headers and his signatures don't work. You know that the address in your
header doesn't work, so give us an address we can use, viz:

- Jim
- (jswthomp@u.washington.edu, jimmy@ghini.engr.washington.edu, et al.)
- 
"Scott" does no such thing, and then posts bogus addresses claiming them
to be real.

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Why mammal lips?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.130248.13076@ncsu.edu>, sat@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Andrew Tai) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul24.123158.8144@cs.mcgill.ca>, mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR) writes:
> |>Why are most mammals lipped?  Is this a result of random
> |>evolution or is there any particular reason for not being
> |>duck-billed?
> 
> You don't have a girlfriend, do you Mingmar?
> ;^)
> 

I thought he did and that he was complaining about her.

GMS


Okay, okay.  I'm going back to my room.  Sorry.  Don't
flame.  Sorry.  It's my Evil Twin.  I was tired.  I've
been typing too much about wierd cosmic shit.  Sorry.
Chaos theory predicted that I would... never mind...
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From: iat_ttocs@a.forged.path (Scottie's Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: Killfiles
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:24:11 GMT

In article <4006@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes...
>In article <1992Jul30.145115.24881@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com () writes:
>>
>>For the killfile:
>>
>>/@ailab.ncsu.edu/h:j
>>
>>for those who don't already have it.  We know 'ailab.ncsu.edu' is a forged
>>address, so nothing that anyone is willing to stand behind will be missed.

>Mike:
> 
>  How do you know it's a forged address?  For that matter, how does
>one go about forging an address?  Isn't it appended by the mail
>server?

See the posting with message ID <1992Jul28.033204.21967@ncsu.edu> from
cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu.  It states that 'ailab.ncsu.edu' doesn't exist.
"Interesting" that Scott Tai hasn't answered this...  Let me know if you don't
have the article.  Also I have mail stating the same thing.

Mail to 'ailab.ncsu.edu' never goes through as other systems at ncsu don't know
of any 'ailab', interesting Scott never gives a reason other than supplying an
unrelated mail path (to a system halfway across the country).

Depending on the news server, forging a path is no more than knowing how to use
the editor.  See header :-) See newsgroup alt.forgery, too, which seems to be a
"practice" ground for new forgers.

-Mike (oops I mean Ttocs Iat)
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: IQ vs. Faith
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:10:56 -0500

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

 TP> crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross) writes:

 GC> Actually, I understand that it takes some number of *millions* of years
 GC> for the energy created in the sun's core to reach its surface.  Sudden
 GC> failure of solar fusion wouldn't be noticed for some time.
 GC> Who knows but what it may have quit 10,000 years ago.

 TP> I understand there's concern about this in some scientific circles.
 TP> Something about the Sun not producing the predicted number of neutrinos.

Maybe it got unionized....
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T--Polyandric Polymath and Kill Files
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:38:01 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Jul23.183417.462@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
}
}This week's flame retardant:
}
}/ T--P/j
}/tai@ailab/h:j

To which add:

/tai@cs.ncsu.edu/h:j

}Bye, Tai.
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From: Craig.Wagner@p2.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Wagner)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: speed of light and age of the universe
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:42:49 -0500

  PZ> From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
  PZ> Organization: Cadence Design Systems
  PZ> 
  PZ> Eh? Our measurement of a day is EXTREMELY precise.  Wobbles in the
  PZ> earth require an occasional leap-second be added to the atomic clock. 
  PZ> This is more precise than you can even imagine.
  PZ> 
  PZ> The reason we have leap-years, however, is not due to wobbles or bad
  PZ> measurements...

Does anyone happen to know much more about the "wobbles"?  Wobbles implies to me
that it may increase *or* decrease slightly from time to time.  Yet we only ever
*add* leap seconds, as far as I can recall.  Is this a semantic issue, perhaps,
or is there more involved than that?
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: T: To All MENSA Members...
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:54:18 -0500

nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes to Scott Tai:

 n>   I admit I'm a little confused.  If I understand right, you do not
 n> object to clubs restricted to people of certain, arbitrary, qualities:
 n> age, religion, or certain scores on IQ tests - in general.

If you understand his statement to that effect, perhaps.  But it completely
contradicts his angle of bashing in the past.  But then, what can we expect from
a proven liar who hides behind a nonexistent address, constructs invalid
arguments from outdated evidence, and ignores not only current data, but even
those who know what they're talking about from firsthand experience?

 n> What do you think mensa should be?

Surely you don't expect a straight answer to that.  For him to answer that would
enable us to tell him exactly why Mensa already *IS* that, or why it's not a
goal we want to strive for, at least as Mensa per se.  Either way, it would put
an end to his fun....
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Look out guys - Mensan denies evolution
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:38:43 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Jul22.122531.29000@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dtl8v@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Heraclitus) writes:


>   So there was an anti-evolutionist article published in UK Mensa.
>So what?  Mensa doesn't STAND for anything.  It expresses no opinions
>as an organization nor encourage its members to follow any platform.
>One of the prime goals of Mensa is to foster independent thinking, and
>whether a member wishes to be backward or not is of no concern to the
>rest of the organization.  He does science a service simply by
>publishing his viewpoints and supported facts just to have targets to
>shoot down as evidence becomes available, whether scientists already
>know about the holes in the theory or not.

>Doug Lamb
>dtl8v@Virginia.EDU

It's not the article in the UK Mensa mag that's the problem.  It's the 
forthcoming book and what the rest of the world will make of the fact it's 
written by a Mensan - even though WE know it's just his opinion, THEY may 
take it as representing the views of Mensa itself.

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From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: speed of light and age of the universe
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:48:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.173456.3063@progress.com> matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper) writes:
>mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>
>>Steve contended that there has been no record of hours or days having been
>>other than they are now, so they must have always been the same.
>
>  
>  But that doesn't fit too well.  Every four years we have to add a day to the
>year to make up for various wobbles/inconsistancies in our measurement of time
>to get back on track.  This indicates our measurement of a day is not 100%
>precise.

Eh?

Our measurement of a day is EXTREMELY precise.  Wobbles in the earth require
an occasional leap-second be added to the atomic clock.  This is more precise
than you can even imagine.

The reason we have leap-years, however, is not due to wobbles or bad
measurements.  It is because the Earth revolves about the sun in slightly
less than 365.25 solar days (which is one off from the number of rotations
of the earth relative to the universe -- or sidereal days).  Therefore we
have to add one day to the year almost evey four years to make up (but we
leave it out on 3 out of every 4 hundred years because 1 day every 4 years
is a slight bit too much).

>Also, that far back there was no record of hours/days period, so
>how can they be assumed to be the same asthey are now?  I'll admit I don't have
>any "hard evidence" proving otherwise, but if you look at the things we know
>now, and can prove, about celestial body interaction, it indicates to me that:

As far as knowing the length of the day -- there are certain fossils
that when they were alive added one layer per solar day to
their length.  They also grew toward the sun, and lived near the
equator -- so established a very reliable method of telling how many days
in a year millions of years ago, since the layers are sinusoidal.  It seems
that a few million years ago there were more days in the year because the
earth spun faster (the earth is slowly losing energy while spinning due to
transfer of energy, etc.), so we also know that days were slightly shorter
millions of years ago, and how MUCH shorter.

>  1) days/hours as we know it didn't even exist back then

Days did (well, since the earth coalesced, anyway, since a day is caused by
the rotation of the earth and the sun shining on half of it), but hours are
a fabrication of humans to divide the day into something we can talk about
and agree on as to meeting times, etc.

Of course, before accurate clocks, people just divided the day into sunrise,
morning, noon, afternoon, sunset and night.  Until you get technological
enough to need more precise scheduling, that's usually good enough.  At night
one can also use the positions of stars for giving times (should they wish),
always remembering to correlate with season.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

"Public nudity is the evil the state seeks to prevent."

		    -William Rehnquist, Chief Justice of the United States
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IQ vs. Faith
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:40:26 GMT

In article <711788422.F00009@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> 
> johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com writeth unto ye masses:
> 
>  J> A "day" is defined as being from one sunset to the next.
> 
> Which requires more than the presence or absence of light, but an actual sun TO
> set.  Otherwise, we could consider extreme overcast, or a solar eclipse, or
> sudden failure of the solar fusion reactions to be "sunset".

If there were a sudden failure of the solar fusion reactions, we wouldn't be
around to consider anything.
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From: willism@engin.umich.edu (Mark Benjamin Willis)
Subject: Re: IQ vs. Faith
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:48:41 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article 5243 Matthew Harper (matth@progress.COM) asks:
>  Can you give me a biblical event that cannot be resolved with a scientific
> answer?  I've been trying, but I think I'm at a disadvantage since I feel most
> (all) such things *can* be explained.

The clearest and (incidentally) most important example of such an event is
the resurrection of Christ.  The Bible claims that Jesus died, was buried for
3 days (fri-sun) and then was resurrected.  (Not as in ghost, but as in a real,
live person who could be touched, and who ate and spent time with over 500
people.)

Obviously this is a biblical event that cannot be resolved with a scientific
answer.

Mark

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From: drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
Subject: Re: Mensa national versus local, New York City
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:53:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.190446.17744@alliant.com>, werme@alliant.com (Ric Werme) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.191433.8577@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul22.141007.27275@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) writes:
|> >The newsletter money from American Mensa is supposed to be enough to
|> >publish a calendar of local events and mail it out first class, period.
|> 
|> Personally, I agree that the newsletter subsidy should be inadequate.  It
|> provides encouragement for RGs and other activities.  Also, I've always
|> figured that the group support and flat grant were available for newsletter
|> stuff.  The flat grant, especially, was designed to help with newsletter
|> production.

First of all, RGs are not for raising money.  If they do, fine; in my
opinion, the RG should be a chance for the group to get together as
many people as possible (a 3 day party).

Also, didn't the flat grant go away a few years ago?

|> >Financing anything more is up to the local group.  I suggest you start by
|> >applying for a 2nd class permit, as we did.
|> 
|> We have been mailing at second class rates for over 11 years.  My computer
|> fills in form 3541R, including the shaded gray area the post office is
|> supposed to fill in.  (It wins big brownie points with out local postmaster
|> and only slightly annoys the USPS auditors.)  About $50 a month.

Second class permits are great for larger groups.  The Maumee Valley
group was only around 180 members when I was Loc Sec, and that isn't
enough for Second class.

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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Genius sperm bank
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:04:22 GMT

jswthomp@milton.u.washington.edu (James Thompson) writes:

>I remember the PC outrage that followed the claims by Dr. Shockley, et al.,
>who proposed furthering human intelligence by selective breeding.  I also
>remember that the outrage was just that.  No rebuttal to their arguments,
>just high-intensity flame.
*----
I think it's your memory that's selective.  Shockley's claims included
the premise that black people were inherently inferior genetically, and
his selective breeding didn't have any place for genes of color.

I doubt that any educated individual would deny that intelligence is
genetically influenced.  However, I'm equally certain that most 
educated individuals would realize that intelligence is one of very
many important facets of the individual, and by no means the most
important.  Furthermore, using the genes of white supremacists
and racists is assuredly not the best way to improve the human
race.
--
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From: mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR)
Subject: Re: IQ vs. Faith
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:49:37 GMT

>there are many clinical records of people going into deep trance
>states such that they appear dead and then reviving.  ...  Some
>can stop and start their heart beat for minutes at a time
 
Stop their heartbeat?  Or stop their pulse?  A simple trick is to
place a hard object (like a rock or an orange or a fist) in the
armpit and squeeze it.  This causes the object to press against
an artery in the armpit and thus stop the pulse at the wrist.
The heart hasn't stopped, just the pulse.
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Heritability of Intelligence
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:33:34 GMT


Scott:

  I've saved copies of these texts you've supplied, and, in time, I
might even get a chance to read some of them.  But I'm at something
of a loss.  What point are these texts supposed to support?  And
could you give me some clue as to where within these texts that
support lies?

                              Nick


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From: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Tai: Bug fix request...
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:59:27 GMT
Reply-To: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Sorry that I couldn't reach you privately.


Hi. I tried the little program in your .sig.
It seems to hang after printing "He"

(Sun4, SunOS)


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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: IQ vs. Faith
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:22:22 GMT

In article <BkS-phB@engin.umich.edu> willism@engin.umich.edu (Mark Benjamin Willis) writes:
>In article 5243 Matthew Harper (matth@progress.COM) asks:
>>  Can you give me a biblical event that cannot be resolved with a scientific
>> answer?  I've been trying, but I think I'm at a disadvantage since I
>> feel most (all) such things *can* be explained.
>
>The clearest and (incidentally) most important example of such an event is
>the resurrection of Christ.  The Bible claims that Jesus died, was buried for
>3 days (fri-sun) and then was resurrected.  (Not as in ghost, but as in a real,
>live person who could be touched, and who ate and spent time with over 500
>people.)
>
>Obviously this is a biblical event that cannot be resolved with a scientific
>answer.

Obviously it can.

Let's think back to the medical capabilities of 2,000 years ago.  How was
death determined?  Have there been examples of an *incorrect* determination
of death before or after?

Clearly there have been other people who have "risen from the dead" -- they
just never actually died.  In fact, there was a story just recently about
a family who buried their son after his death to avoid cremation.  When the
authorities dug up the body, it was found that he was alive when buried and
apparently regained conciousness 6 feet under.

With this in mind, here is a scientific explanation of Jesus's rise from the
dead.  He never died, but instead went into a coma/shock/state where he
was thought dead.  His friends wrapped him up and put his body in a cave.
Later he regained conciousness and walked around.  If this is what
happened, it's a good thing they didn't embalm him!

Sorry, but it looks like you'll have to try again to find something with
no scientific explanation.

Bill
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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Why GREENSleaves?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:06:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul23.134510.4261@ugle.unit.no> mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard) writes:
>Why is most vegetation green? Is this a result of random evolution or
>is there any particular reason for not growing blue?

                  Chlorophyll.

                               Nick

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From: mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Why GREENSleaves?
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:41:24 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

>Why is the Martian sky pink?  Reflections of the red sand?  

Yes.
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T--Polyandric Polymath and Kill Files
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:34:17 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory


This week's flame retardant:

/ T--P/j
/tai@ailab/h:j


Bye, Tai.

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