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From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
	<1993Jan12.113024.1@pearl.tufts.edu> <1993Jan12.131553.947@whscdp.whs.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:22:43 GMT

On 12 Jan 93 13:15:53 CST, stdnt171@whscdp.whs.edu (-=THE JESSTER=-) said:


> I'm surprised they don't just program the transporter bio-filters (I think
> that's what their called) to recognize Dax as two beings and transport her/it
> that way.  Of all the weird stuff they've done on Trek this doesn't sound too
> far fetched.

I would say that since the Trill are new, that they may not have
reprogrammed the transporter biofilters yet.  Alternatively, they just
finished repromming the transporter biofilters to recognize parasites
and remove them as a result of the events in Conspiracy.  That is the
episode in which star fleet is almost taken over by invading parasites
because the biofilters hadn't been programmed to remove parasites.

Probably, they are more worried about invaders than about the few Trills
who are around.  Besides, this keeps the Trills in check in case they
aren't as benign as they appear.

BTW, it appeared that the Trill host organism has a natural pouch to put
the slug in.  Thus, they don't need the full surgery though it is better
(like giving birth).  Is this correct or did I make a mistake when I saw
the hospital scene?

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:12:18 EST

In article <ewright.726777854@convex.convex.com>
ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
 
>
>In <1993Jan11.094336.24818@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>
>>James T. Kirk did NOT freely give up rank.  In STIV:TVH, all charges against
>>the crew are dropped, except one, directed solely at Kirk.
>
>Youngster, let me tell you about the old days, before Starr Trek
>movies needed numbers.... :-)
>
>In Star Trek -- The Motion Picture, James Kirk was already an
>Admiral and Chief of Star Fleet Operations.  If you assume CSFO
>to be analogous to Chief of Naval Operations, that would have
>made him the head honcho of Star Fleet.  He voluntarily gave
>up his flag rank to command the Enterprise again in TMP.
>
>
 
   Just one very minor correction: In TMP, Kirk says to Scotty (more or less)
Nogura gave the Enterprise back to him.  So he's not quite the head honcho.
[An assertion also stated in non-canon, but Roddenberry-penned novelization].
However, I have no doubts that he was within the inner council of the
Admiralty, with perhaps less than half-a-dozen men on a higher or same
level as him, and definitely being groomed as the next C-in-C of Starfleet.
[Indirect evidence in STIII: "Jim, you're my best officer..."]
 
    Junsok Yang
From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Bajor=Tibet?
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:44:12 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <1ildq3INN2q4@shelley.u.washington.edu> kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu writes:
>how nice to have a religion with
>a tangible, functioning artifact
>and not have to rely on "faith"

Hmm..

If (Bajor==Tibet) Cardassians=Chinese

Hmm...like CardASIANS...interesting.
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From: doctor@cs.mcgill.ca (Howard PICAIZEN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Emissary *** SPOILERS ***
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:10:32 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan6.154331.12899@neb> prp@neb (Paul Peterson) writes:
>***WARNING***
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>If you haven't seen it yet, be warned.
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>3)  How do the producers decide the order of billing on the credits?
>Obviously it is not in order of importance of the character to the
>story.  I was surprised to see the credits in the following order:
>     Avery Brooks as Commander Sisko
>     Rene Aberjonois as Odo
>     Siddig El Fadil as Dr. Bashir
>     Terry Farrell as Lt. Dax
>     Cirroc Lofton as Jake Sisko
>     Colm Meaney as Chief O'Brien
>     Armin Shimerman as Quark
>     Nana Visitor as Major Kira
>I would have expected Major Kira to get second billing and Jake Sisko
>to be last.  I know that in Hollywood billing order has led to many
>disputes and arguments between stars, producers and agents, and there
>must be some formula for working this out based on popularity, name
>recognition, etc., but it looks to me like they just drew the names
>out of a hat.


Alphabetical order after Brooks.

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 have heard otherwise." -Tam Elbrum     |  in trouble."  -Kirk
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: One LAST Time, O'Brien's rank.  After this, NO MORE OR BURN IN FLAME!
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:57:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls



Right.


I will explain this all one time only.  I will do it once, and this will
have to suffice for the entire net.  
I am sure I am not the only person who is sick to the end of their existence
of this "What's O'Brien's rank?" FAQ.  

Therefore, you all get one day.
If ANYONE else, doesn't matter how new you are to the Net, ANYONE asks 
this same question ever again after 10 pm Monday night, I will flame them
via email, and I encourage anyone else equally sick of this to do the
same.  

and I do mean flame......

And I warn you, I've gotten a lot of practice lately over on rec.arts.drwho
with a stupid Valeyard thread and from a writer for Who itself, so don't
get me started....


Right.  One last time.

Once upon a time, here on this very net, last May I believe this happened,
we had a flame-war.  The war concerned what the bloody hell O'Brien's
rank was.  A few people here kept trying to tell us he was a Chief
Petty Officer, whilst many of us asserted he was a Lieutenant.
The Lieutenant camp believed him to be a Lt. because of his collar pips
and his position of some authority on the ship.
The Petty Officer camp referred to the writer's intentions for the character,
and to a line in "Family" where Sergei Roshenkov (spelling?) calls O'Brien
a CPO.  

We argued, and we argued.  We argued a little more, and eventually we came
to no conclusion whatsoever, except that both Paramount and us were
very confused over what his rank indeed was supposed to be.  

This argument happened over the break in production on TNG, and then when
the first episodes of Season Six came along, O'Brien's pips had suddenly
changed!  Proof, if ever we needed any, that Paramount does indeed read the
Net.  Anyway, the idea behind this pip change was to clarify once and for
all what in Hades and other Underworlds his rank actually is.

Paramount has spoken: he is a Chief Petty Officer and always has been.
Period.

Now, I personally disagree thanks to them getting his pips wrong up until
now and a few lines scattered here and there through the series, but it's
cemented in duranium now and we have to live with it.  I will personally
consider it a continuity error on their part.  Others may disagree, but
that's up to them.  There have been other continuity errors already,
most notably the inconsistencies in Betazoid empathic abilities, so one
more can't hurt too much.  

There has been a somewhat pathetic attempt to wriggle out of the problem.
Some now claim O'Brien's rank pips up until this season were silver in
color whilst everyone else's were gold, indicating a lower rank for him
than any ensign, and that this new hollow pip is actually a promotion of
a sort.  Whether this is true or not or just an excuse is a good question.

And that's it.  O'Brien is and always was a Chief Petty Officer, even
though he wasn't. 


NOW SHUT UP ABOUT IT!


Steven.K.Manfred
From: mdm@world.std.com (Michael D Meachen)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:42:31 GMT

Cheerswise I can remember two other instances where cheers cast members
have appeared in episodes.  Dr. Strernan-Crane played the podded role of
Riker's alien lover if I remember correctly.  And didn't Frazer Crane have
command of a star ship at one point??
Any appearances from Norm you can think of?
mm
From: cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek:  DS9  Needs more humans!
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:49:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <79792@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>This was my brother's reaction:  "There're only 2 humans on the show!
>Why should I watch a show about a bunch of aliens?"

Tell him, "Relax!  The so-called 'aliens' are really just people
with funny things on their noses."

Tony
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From: mhnatsis@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Martha Helen Natsis)
Subject: DSN-Philly 29-reg slot?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:04:36 GMT

adding to the growing number of requests for times&dates of DSN showing,
could someone please tell me when the regular time slot for DSN is, from
Philly? I heard that it's showing on Saturdays, but not the time. Please
tell me what the correct information is!                     

Email to : mhnatsis@phoenix.princeton.edu

Thanks in advance!
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rank Structure (was Re: Uniform Colors...)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:01:36 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1993Jan4.215900.21511@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray) writes:
|> Since Scott didn't provide it, I thought people might like to know
|> what the full rank structure looks like:
|> 
|> 				Starfleet
|> Navy/Starfleet designation	Insignia	Army/Air Force/Marines
|> 
|> Ensign			*		2nd Lieutenant	
|> Lieutenant Junior Grade	*o		1st Lieutenant
|> Lieutenant			**		Captain
|> Lieutenant Commander		**o		Major
|> Commander			***		Lieutenant Colonel
|> Captain			****		Colonel
|> Commodore					Brigadier General
|> Rear Admiral					Major General
|> Vice Admiral					Lieutenant General
|> Admiral					General
|> Fleet Admiral				General of the Armies
|> 
|>    If I've got the Rear/Vice ordering wrong could some Navy person
|> correct me? (I'm former Air Force, so please forgive me)

 Close, but ...
 Commodore is a old war-time rank, no longer used, but its rank-level
 is probably right.
 There are 2 Rear Admiral ranks instead - Lower Half and Upper Half.
 What that Lower/Upper stuff means, I dunno.

 Travis
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Subject: Re: Picard's Book.
From: wcrusher@netlink.cts.com (Wes Welty)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 14:24:46 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:

> 
> 	My last question was answered so well, that I 
> decided to ask another -- What is the book in Picard's
> Ready Room?  Twice I have seen direct reference to it -
> in "Chain of Command" the replacement captain gives it
> to Picard, and in the episode of the phony historian 
> time travelilng.

I believe it is a Shakesphere book. I do not know exactly what.


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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Trek review mailing list?
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:10:58 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1993Jan11.001918.16874@athena.mit.edu>, hhuang@athena (Han-Young Huang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.022748.7427@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>>Anyone interested in starting a Trek-review mailing list?  Content
>>to be strictly reviews [...]
>
>YES!  The bandwidth is getting too much.  So separate DS9 from TNG.
>Continue to separate .misc from .current.  Finally, have a .reviews
>subsection.  So:
>
>rec.arts.startrek.tng.misc
>rec.arts.startrek.tng.current
>rec.arts.startrek.tng.reviews
>rec.arts.startrek.ds9.misc
>rec.arts.startrek.ds9.current
>rec.arts.startrek.ds9.reviews
>
>Suggestions?

First of all, this is NOT what I suggested.  I suggested a mailing list.
For reviews.  Only.

Personally, I find that the net has had newgroup fever for the last year or
two, and I would be very cautious about creating *more* groups, particularly
for startrek, which already has a large number of them.

Probably what's really needed (at least in part) is a new generation of
news reading software.  I expect the connectivity of the net will only
continue to increase, which means more people posting all over the place.

I'm not sure if Imminent Death of the Net should be predicted, but I can't
really imagine the current form being workable if the traffic continues to
increase like it has in the past few years.  What happens when there are
10,000 news groups?  What happens when rec.arts.startrek.current gets
1,000 posts a day (something it's well on the way to...)?

One obvious possibility is to have someone digest high-volume news groups
(like is already being done for rec.arts.sf.*) and distribute the result
to those not able to keep up with the newsgroup volume.

-- 
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform and stuff
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:05:46 GMT

charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:


>OK Flamers: are you going to nag me about the fact that I spelled 
>Kim and Bebe's names wrong? Or that I abbreviated ST6-TUC wrong?
>I put this disclaimer here at the end on purpose. I wanted to see
>how many of these trigger-happy flamers would wait to read the whole
>message before firing off a flame round. So that everyone else on
>the net who does take the time to read this last paragraph will know
>that whenever one of those other flamers posts anything, you can just
>take them with a grain of salt. 

Ya, they'll probably flame you, and you deserve it anyways... Most of the
flames I see are legitamate flames. Most are not just people firing away 
for the heck of it. 

For instance, the Saavik case: Did the person mean that the Saavik from 
STIII or STIV was Christie Ally, or the Saavik from STII? There's a
differance there.

So, I guess I think you deserve all the flames you get and probably more.

A Flame is *NOT* just someone yelling at someone else, it's more often some
one voicing a differance of *FACTS*. In other words, someone says that 
someone else got the facts wrong. People are not (usually) put down for
opinons.

			CtB
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 00:59:09 GMT

In article <1iaalpINNqs9@news.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
>As far as I can tell, as of now no fox stations in my area are carrying DS9
>here in Baltimore...Only an Independant station and a Washington channel are
>carrying it. Not that I'm complaining, but since the fox stations are carrying
>the normal ST:TNG why not the DS9 as well?

Because your local Fox station didn't buy the rights. DSN, like TNG, is a
syndicated tv series, which means that each TV station must buy it if they
want to show it, they don't get it as part of a network package. I'm sure
many Fox stations have bought it (Fox 61, in New Haven, CT, for example)
but there are probably quite a few others that haven't. 



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From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 Uniforms
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:26:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

I don't know if this has been discussed but if it has I missed it.
Has anyone explained why the uniforms on DS9 are different that the 
standard starfleet uniforms. I mean they are still starfleet officers
aren't they? Please explain... thanks...
 
J. Michael Clark
Ohio University
From: PunisherX@cup.portal.com (M Phil Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 09:33:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1993Jan6.060704.10892@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> <1ieoj9INN62g@menudo.uh.edu>

In the episode that Troi takes command, O'Brien asks your orders,sir?
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:48:22 GMT

Carl Mackin writes
> She wants them to feel like they are talking to a friend [..]

None of my friends' breasts are pushed out of their shirts as Troi's are in her usual attire.

This is very much a rehashing of the argument going on in another thr 
ead however posters here, just like posters in the other thread, fail to explain how "[making] them feel like they are talking to a friend" translates to Troi's breasts being promoted through her clothing.  By this argument, there's no reason why she shouldn't be able to wear a shirt like what non-uniformed women on the ship wear.

It seems to me that the jist of the argument pro-bodysuit is undefendable in many areas, one of which is the explanation of the apparent requirement for showing off her body as consistently as no other uniformed or non-uniformed woman on the ship does.

Another point in uniformed personnel is the disparity between men's uniforms and women's uniforms.  Simply put, men's uniforms are much more loose fitting than the women's.  On the women's uniforms, every curve of woman's body is visible (hence the term 'bodysuit').  This is not so on the men.  Many times, men's uniforms are so loose fitting that they gather whe 
n the men sit down, hence causing the men to pull down their shirts when they get up from a seated position.
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's breasts being promoted through her clothing.  By this argument, there's no reason why she shouldn't be able to wear a shirt like what non-uniformed women on the ship wear.

It seems to me that the jist of the argument pro-bodysuit is undefendable in many areas, one of which is the explanation of the apparent requirement for showing off her body as consistently as no other uniformed or non-uniformed woman on the ship does.

Another point in uniformed personnel is the disparity between men's uniforms and women's uniforms.  Simply put, men's uniforms are much more loose fitting than the women's.  On the women's uniforms, every curve of woman's body is visible (hence the term 'bodysuit').  This is not so on the men.  Many times, men's uniforms are so loose fitting that they gather whe
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Arnold S. in ST:TNG?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:34:58
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu's message of 6 Jan 1993 19:47:34 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Jan 1993 19:47:34 GMT, egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr) said:

egorr> Any more info on whether or not Arnold S. (I don't even want to
egorr> try to spell the last name) will appear in a ST:TNG episode?

Don't think they could afford him....

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Wherefor art thou Atsushi? (was:Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:39:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.135216.615@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>> On the whole, as I said, "Emissary" seemed to be business-as-usual.  Nothing
>> new, nothing exciting.  Just as rather pedantic "introduce everything and wow
>> the viewers" episode.  This might have worked under very different
>> circumstances, but it just left me cold.

>> Grade: C-

>On the whole, what you said seemed to be your business-as-usual.
>Nothing new, nothing intelligent.  Just a rather pedantic "destroy 
>everything in the show" review.  Your approach to reviewing rarely works
>for me under nearly all circumstances, and you leave me not only cold,
>but frigid.
>You've made it plainly clear; you don't and never did like TNG, and you
>seem determined to not like DS9 no matter what they do.  Your only purpose
>in posting here, it seems to me, is to get a bundle of kicks for yourself
>at the expense of the reputations of many at Paramount.  
>If you don't like the series, stop watching.

Aw, give Michael a break.  It's not easy being the Atsushi Kanamori
heir-apparent.  Now that Kanamori is gone, who's left to tell us week
after week how wretched TNG is.  Besides, I'm always entertained by the
endless string of synonyms for the word "awful" that he's able to find
in the thesaurus.

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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Oh, SHUT UP, Troi II(or Jellico should shoot Deanna)
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:38:46 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <1992Dec21.205316.15529@uvm.edu>, cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
> From article <1h54guINNbc5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary):
> > 
> > I was wrong.  Anything the script would give Sirtis to say
> > that sounded intelligent would be out of character for Troi.
> 
> 	No kidding...how the hell she gets an "honary" Lt. Commander
> Rank is beyond me...

Apparently, doctors in the military become officers automatically.
This is probably so that they have the authority to get what they need
to save someone's life.  Remember, in M*A*S*H Drs. Pierce and Hunnicut
were Captains, even though they were the biggest goof-balls in the camp
(from a military perspective).

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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