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Subject: Division II Regionals
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:11:14 -0500

Division II Regionals, for the Mid-Atlantic, will be in Pennsylvania,
either at Lehigh or The Oaks.  Any team that competed in Sectionals and
did not qualify for Division I Regionals is eligible.  Please call Russ
Owen, 215-434-6538, if you want to attend.

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From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Rules Question
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:29:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
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In a previous article, krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna) says:

>ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
>
>>In article <ld6r8sINNhlf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bharat@shadow.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>>Here's a rule question.  A player on the offensive team
>>>is lined up to make a pass.  Another, taller, player on
>>>the defensive team comes running in and they both jump
>>>at the same time.  The defensive player *out-jumps* the
>>>offensive player and reaches *over his head* and gets
>>>the disc, without making any kind of contact whatsoever.
>
>>I presume by "make a pass" you mean "receive a pass".  In that case,
>>no contact, no foul. Happens to me all the time -- I wish it were a
>>foul. :-)
>
>An interesting thing about this type of play is that when there *is* some
>contact, the more the defensive player out-jumps the offensive player, the
>less the defender feels the contact is "significant" to the play.
>
>--Tom K.
>

Something I've noticed. Ultimate seems to have become, even over than last 
four years, a much more physical sport. There seems to be a lot more 
contact between players lately, without an increase in fouls called. More
people are starting to play by the "significance" factor.i.e., I know that if
I get a diving block & I get the disk before I make contact with the 
player, I don't feel that is a foul. (Unless the contact was severe, then
it is a dangerous play.) More and more people seem to be playing that way.
Anyonw else notice this trend?
				Chris
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From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Doob/Dube derivation?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:40:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo)) writes:

>Does anyone out there know (I'm sure _someone_ out there does) where
>the word "doob" or "dube" or whatever for a layout comes from?  As in
>"Game to 5, doob rule!"

>Thanks muchly,
>           Davebo

Actually, this term (Dube Rule - a goal must be a legitimate dive to
count) was named after a former ZooMass and subsequent Boston player
John Dubinsky.  The origin of the term (I'm guessing a bit here) is
circa 1985, but unfortunately, I don't know much of the lore
surrounding its creation.  Naturally, many early players of this rule
attended the famed and mystical Purple Valley tournaments (mentioned
in another post) where the punned version of the name seemed too
appropriate to be merely coincidental.  Undoubtedly, this was quickly
and accurately judged to be not serendipity, but rather destiny, thus
ensuring the Dube/Doob rule a place in history.  Although you are
local to his area, the phrase really seemed to catch on nationwide; I
have played or heard of Dube Rule games in every region.


Troy
Seattle Sockeye
troy@u.wasington.edu
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From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Subject: dirty tricks
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:29:25 GMT

ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Daniel C. Ziskin) writes:

>By the way, I would love to see a discussion in this group of some of
>the ingenious legal 'dirty tricks' that have been created in the 
>history of the game.  Are all of them anti-SOTG?  

Hey, this sounds like fun.  Ok, here are a few more.  By the way, some
of these are really low, and in my opinion probably against the SOTG.
Others are just clever.  To the best of my knowledge, however, all are
technically within the rules.  Let the reader be the judge.

- There are several different ways to pick up the disc after a
turnover.  Often the marker will already be set up, waiting for the
thrower.  How about:
	  1) Walk up next to the marker, about 3-5 feet away from and
	  to the left of the disc (right handed thrower).  Plant your
	  (left) pivot foot, reach way over to grab the disc, then
	  pivot quickly away, leaving the marker in the dust.

	  2) Jog past the marker, pretending not to be the new
	  thrower.  Then sneak up behind him/her, plant your pivot,
	  and reach back *between* the markers legs to grab the disc.
	  Huck away!

	  3) Take up a normal position above the disc, but with both
	  feet planted.  Now pick up the disc, but pivot on your
	  *right* foot, stepping forward and past the marker with your
	  left, and throw the huge inside-out forehand huck unmarked
	  (reverse for left handed throwers).

- On the other side of the coin, the marker can be pretty nasty, too.
On a turnover where a fast break is probable, run over to the disc and
stand there ready to mark the new thrower (who hasn't arrived yet).
BUT, if the O is heading south on the field (for example), stand on
the north side of the disc, forcing the new thrower to run around you
to get to it, thus inhibiting the fast break.

- You're playing deep (O) and your defender is watching you very
closely, but not checking in with the disc.  Your team turns it over.
Keep pretending to play O, so your defender (who should be playing O
now) keeps covering you.  Defense the easy way!

- On a stack, have the thrower throw you a pass while you're
pretending to tie your shoe.  The D won't be ready for you to suddenly
take a couple of steps and catch the disc.  This usually only works
once. 

- Pick up or catch the pull out of bounds, but don't call middle.
Start to walk towards the field, then sprint to the line and throw the
disc from there.

- Cut or just walk out of bounds.  Often the defender won't follow
you.  Just make sure you touch back in bounds before catching a pass.

That's it for starters.  Anybody else have some more?


Troy
Seattle Sockeye
troy@u.washington.edu
From: chrisf@jna.com.au (Chris Ford)
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:08:04 GMT
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Subject: Re: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)


> This pick stuff is interesting. What if the lead guy is tired and feels
> compelled to slow down. If the slowing down causes contact with the trailing
> player is that a pick. Wouldn't it be dangerous if players didn't have the
> right to slow down at will (or as needed).

If the guy is dead and and needs to stop (I guess he'd actually fall over if
he was dead) and someone running behind runs into him then the guy behind
should watch where he is going. If someone is moving in a straight line then
he can move at what ever pace he likes, if the other guy wants to get past
then just run around the slow person. If the slow guy suddenly steps
sideways to block you as you go past then call a pick, but only if it really
affects the play. nothing annoys me more than people making weak pick calls
when thay are miles from the disc and never had a play.

When this becomes a problem is when someone intentionally slows up to block
someone off the disc letting another team mate make an unhindered play. In
that case it is definitely a pick.


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From: CPB004@email.comm.mot.com (Philip Bush)
Subject: Disc Golf Tourneys this weekend
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Distribution: il
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:57:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc

There are two disc golf tourneys this weekend.  One is in Buffalo Grove,
Illinois, the other in Streamwood, Illinois.

For both:
9:00am Registration
9:45am Registration closes
10:00am  Players meeting
Flights assigned
Shot gun start
Top third win prizes
36 holes per day
All divisions but Advanced Amateur: $5
Advanced Amateur: $12

Details:
Saturday, October 10, 1992
Willow Stream Park in Buffalo Grove, Illinois
This is a 9 hole course, mostly open and flat, several over 300ft.

Sunday, October 11, 1992
Shady Oaks Park, in Streamwood, Illinois.
This is a 9 hole course, parts lightly wooded, flat, and quite short.  Some
people can aim for the basket on every tee-off.

Tournament director is Tom Christensen (708) 882-3694.

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From: AJP@buc.edu.au (Alan Penhall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: RE:Sydney
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:57:31 GMT
Organization: Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.16.42

The future of Sydney in the AFL as we know is undecided. Well how about 
this  scenario-

Allow Carlton to play their away Games in Sydney at the SCG with Tooheys
as their major sponsor. (This option is already being discussed in the
"Little Paper")

And;

Shift the Sydney (South Melbourne) Swans to Tasmania. Change the name of the 
team to the Southern Swans and play their games in Hobart. I believe that
the Tassie State Government has expressed an interest in some form of 
subsidy to any team that would take up residence in the state because the 
AFL has led Tasmanians to believe that relocation would be the only way
to get a team.

Tasmanians would be happy having their own team to support. NSWelshpersons
would be happy with having some decent games played at the SCG. Victorians
would be happy because Carlton will be out of the state at least half of the 
time. And finally the AFL should be happy with a True national competition.

It seems to me to be the only way to go :)

- Al.
From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:41:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.221210.21524@trl.oz.au>, mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers) writes:
|> |> 	It's like that clown who was talking about WCE gaining
|> |> 	credibility by changing there jumper or something...
|> 
|> Then why did the bears change their jumper, smartarse?

	The Bears haven't just won the premiership, idiot.
	Football credibility doesn't depend on some insecure Victorian's idea
	of a proper football jumper.  Who cares what you think
	of their bloody jumper, they won the flag so stop thinking
	of pathetic excuses to whinge about and look to next year.

	tom
From: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin K. Longmuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Sydney Swansong
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:44:30 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Reply-To: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin Longmuir)
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Organisation: Research School of Social Sciences, Australian National University

broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BROWN ADRIAN) writes:

>	Front page of 'The Age' this morning, 12 Oct 92 was an article
>announcing the vote of the other clubs on Wednesday on wether to give
>the Swans the financial help they request. If they vote no, as expected,

>	Doesn't look good for the Swans ... or the 'National Competition'!

Perhaps they can move to Canberra!

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From: SOCC9241430E@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JACKSON,Chris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Ablett for Buckley?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:12:26 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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OK, it is good to see that in the world of professional sports, the Geelong
Football club are still the worlds leader in light-hearted humour!!!!!!!!!!
Not only have we not won a grand final for 29 years, but when we finally do
have a chance to win a final, we bring the likes of Neville Bruns into the
team!  I this is not humourous enough, we offer Gazza for a SA upstart like
Nathan Buckley......what are we doing?

No doubt Buckley has class, but i remember so vividly the SA chamions like
Tony Antrobus dominating in the AFL at an early stage!  Ablett for Buckley?
Get real........
Imagine a superstar like gazza in a Bears guernsey.....Nut!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go catters, go gazza.......
If we are to trade for Buckley, then we should trade with North for Buckley
and Carey for Ablett!!!!!




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From: sloan@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:46:25 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1992Oct15.095818.1@hfrd.dsto.gov.au> mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au writes:
>
> eda961asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au (Anthony):
>>Well, I think that the AFL should not have started from the VFL.  That way,
>>each state could have one or two sides that could select from their WHOLE
>>state.  That would be a truely national competition. Those peole who say that
>>Melbourne sees itself as bigger than the game should think about the 
>>huge concession the interstate sides have by choosing from the whole state.
>
>Sorry, this is wrong. All "interstate" sides (another term indicating that
>Melbourne sees itself as better than the rest) have to pick players via the
>draft, from the whole of Australia, just as any other club. The Weagles, for

I believe that 1992 was the first season where the Weagles did NOT have draft 
concessions - 5 years too late IMHO!

>
>bye
>
>David Mudge
>mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au


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From: harsant@margana.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:56:32 GMT

In article <39107@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>
>Slightly off the subject, but what is the plural of throw-in?  I
>remember reading it in the Sunday Age a couple of weeks ago as
>"throw-ins" but shouldn't it be "throws-in"?  (Compare with the
>plural of mother-in-law:  mothers-in-law).

Fair suck o the sav, I don fink a foody commontater cud use a fancy word like
"frows-in".

Besides, it may be technically correct, but it sounds silly.

--
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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:56:03 GMT

|> Thanks a hell of a lot. Let's just take the team with, what?, the second
|> biggest following?, and tell all their supporters they can't go watch their
|> team playing any more except for some away games. Therefore the Carlton
|> membership is almost worthless and you've just lost the AFL a nice big
|> packet of money from lost memberships.

How does it feel being a Carlton supporter, anyway, knowing that the
people who run your club couldn't give a shit about you?

These people were quite happy to almost halve the number of games
Carlton supporters could expect to see by playing their away games in
Sydney, just to get some more bucks.                       
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: CASPAUF@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:49:06 EDT

In article <1992Oct12.225422.22261@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ian Ellis) writes:
 
>
>
>Well now that season 92 is over, and congratulations to the Eagles, the
>time has come to look at the future of the AFL.
>
>
>There are a number of non viable teams in the national competition. For
>the competition to become truely national, there must be **GOOD** teams
>outside Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.
>
>For the game to become truly national, I believe there must be teams
>from Canberra and Tasmania added to the competition. And these teams
>must be competative from day one. Further the teams from Sydney and
>Brisbane must become competative.
>
>It seems to me that the quickest, and most positive way in which this
>can be achieved is for some of the existing Melbourne based teams to be
>relocated. Given that the new teams have to be successfull frm day one,
>only those teams which can command large followings should be relocated.
>
>My proposal is therefore to relocate the following teams:
>
>Carlton      ---->      Canberra
>Collingwood  ---->      Sydney  incorporating the Swans
>Hawthorn     ---->      Brisbane  incorporating the Bears
>Fitzroy      ---->      Tasmania and add a number of
>                        Victorian based Tasmanians to the squad
>
>A restructuring of the AFL along these lines would provide a **TRUELY**
>national competition with competetive teams from all states and hence
>large crowds would be assured in Sydney, Brisbane and Canberra etc.
>Melbourne supporters of these clubs woud be able to see them every other
>week when they played in Melbourne.
>
>The probable forthcoming demise of the Swans makes a restructuring of
>the AFL more important. And the parochial utterings coming from
>Melbourne indicate that Melbourne stills sees itself as bigger than the
>game!!
>
>
>That leaves a thirteen team competition. To do away with the bye, either
>two existing Melbourne teams need tobe amalgamated to form one stronger
>team or another team outside Melbourne has to be found.
>
>Ian
>
>
>
>
Well Ian, I hope you have much more clarity and conciseness in your defence
of the country than you do in providing your view of a planned economy
for the future of the AFL.
 
Re your desire for competitive teams outside Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide,
what was Geelong?  Is runner-up not competitive enough for you?
 
Why must expansion teams be competitive from day one?  Hawthorn were the
laughing stock of the then VFL for decades when they were admitted in the
1920s.  Noone is laughing now.
 
A bit of pain is good for the soul.  If supporters of expansion clubs
can't handle a decade or two of bad teams, then they should not be in
the business of football barracking.  Let them take up tennis or chess
instead.
 
You have about as much chance of getting your bone-headed, ahistorical
plans up as Canberra has of ever becoming a city worth living in.
 
Cheers, Paul.
 
 
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From: ford_c@cs.uwa.oz.au ((*YAWN*) =-0)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:14:58 GMT

In <1992Oct8.221210.21524@trl.oz.au> mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers) writes:

>|> 	It's like that clown who was talking about WCE gaining
>|> 	credibility by changing there jumper or something...

>Then why did the bears change their jumper, smartarse?

What are you saying, that the bears have gained credibility since changing
their jumper ?!? They probably changed it because they the old one looked
stupid, but that has nothing to do with credibility. I'm surprised that 
footy fans would think that FASHION could have such a bearing on a team.

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From: sloan@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Sydney
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:40:46 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1992Oct12.103132.12429@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
>Heard a good suggestion today about what to do with the Sydnay experiment.
>Almalgamate the Swans and the Magpies and have them play in Sydney under the
>name of the Sydney Magpies.
>
>This would do a number of things:
>

[ bullshit deleted ]

Relocating Collingwood will never happen. If it did, the AFL would most likely 
LOSE money through the loss of Victorian supporters (as Collingwood would no 
longer exist). Collingwood supporters attending games in Victoria make up for
a huge amount of the AFL's generated revenue (think of the attendance records 
broken by Magpie supporters in '92) - why would the AFL give this up???

>
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From: sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: SANFL news
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:33:17 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <ford_c.718464441@kultarr> ford_c@cs.uwa.oz.au (Pugs) writes:
>In <1992Oct6.014107.4792@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar) writes:
>>Crow player Darel Hart has been appointed playing coach of North Adelaide.
>
>That's very interesting ... I wouldn't think that a full-time AFL player
>would have the time available to take on the role of coach of a SANFL
>side, let alone playing coach. For a start, what happens if there is a
>clash between a Crows game and a North Adelaide game? Does anyone have
>any info on this, and whether any other AFL/VFL players have done similar
>things in the past?
>

Darel Hart will be dropped off the Crows list so he can take up his new role.
A bit of a loss for the Crows, but I guess it makes their job of choosing
players to drop off their list for the draft a bit easier.

-- 
Sanjay Mazumdar
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