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From: jmarin@messi.uku.fi (Jukka Marin)
Subject: Re: Systems with networking standard
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:59:48 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:

>	Amiga:		The Amiga does allow networking standard if you
>			consider ParNet and SerNet.  They are defacto
>			standards because third-parties are beginning to
>			utilize them.  (SAS/C allows debugging across
>			either.)  More than two machines are allowed in
>			the network if you are willing to give up both
>			ports.  However, neither of these are done by
>			the manufacturer (Commodore).  Besides that, I
>			have a modem (serial) and printer (parallel) that
>			also want those ports.

Funny.  I thought there was TCP/IP for the Amiga as well.  Maybe I was
dreaming last night when I thought I was using TCP/IP on Ethernet
boards.  I have alse been dreaming about ArcNet interface, DECNet
software etc..  Real funny :-)

> Is there some hardware guru who could build us an
>inexpensive bus type network interface?  It wouldn't have to be expensive
>or fast, but it should allow aa large number of computers to connect.  The
>parallel and serial ports are usually used, but has anyone considered the
>disk drive port?

I feel that a network interface that is slow _and_ allows a large number
of computers to connect is not a good idea.  It would be great to have an
inexpensive network interface which could be used in classrooms, for
example, to connect 20-30 A500's or A600's or A1200's to an A3000 acting
as a file server.  BUT if this network runs at, say, 115,000 bps (moves
11500 bytes/sec minus protocol overhead) and 20 ppl start loading DPaint..
It would take over 10 minutes in the best case when no packets need to
be retransmitted, much more in the worst case.

One problem is that there's no good connector for this kind of an interface.
The A500 has the expansion bus which could be used (unless it's already in
use).  THe A600 has a different, internal connector.  The A1200 has yet
another kind of bus.  The PCMCIA slot could be used, probably with existing
hardware (only software drivers would be needed) but the A500 doesn't have
that port.  I think the best way would be to use the PCMCIA port, anyway,
and maybe build a PCMCIA interface for the A500.  I am expecting that a
standard network would be used, so you could get an Ethernet (or whatever)
board for the fileserver (not needed when networking A600's at home).

The disk connector could be used for some kind of a network but it would
be pretty slow and very limited in all ways.  It would also be a good way
to burn the Paula chips of the machines.

  Jukka Marin

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: pooler@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole)
Subject: Re: XPR-Bidirectional
Keywords: bidirectional protocals
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:58:31 GMT

In article <523@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> tlbechar@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Timothy Lee Bechard) writes:
>
>	I was wondering if there was any development going on with regards to a
>bidirectional XPR interface.  Looking into most of the ones that are available,
>I've noticed that they are designed around a single "send" or "recieve"
>standardized format.
>	
>	Tim Bechard

I think an XPR implementation of BiModem would be an excellent idea!  A lot of
bulletin boards in my home state had implemented BiModem -- some because they
(the sysops) realized that BiModem made it painless for users to upload as
much as they downloaded, making quotas nearly obsolete, and others because
limited connect times meant that a user using a unidirectional protocol such
as Zmodem had no choice but to upload or download during a session, not both.

I am not sure if BiModem could be effectively implemented in the XPR standard.
Part of the challenge is to figure out a workaround to all the issues of
file selection on both ends; part is to figure out how to get the BiModem
securities worked out in a reasonable fashion.  So really, if one wanted to
implement BiModem, the programmer would have to write a whole suite of
utilities to automate the process of choosing local and remote files, plus
some engine (possibly in the XPR format) to actually do the transfers.

BiModem also requires pretty tight timings, since it is implemented on the PC
(80x86) in highly optimized assembler.

Or maybe there's another bidirectional standard out there that folks would
prefer to implement?

If John Radigan decides to add many more features after JRComm 2.0, maybe he
could put BiModem support directly in the program as he did with X/Y/Zmodem.

Rob Poole
pooler@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: Systems with networking standard
Summary: Systems in the Amiga price range which include networking HW/SW
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:11:28 GMT


I think that standard networking is important in a computer system.  I've
brought it up before, and I'll bring it up again.

Following is a list of systems whose cost is less than or equal to the list
price of an A4000, and include networking hardware and software standard.
Commentary is also included.  (I don't know prices, but these systems are
in range.):

	SUN, NeXT:	You can get a system in the Amiga price-range, but
			I don't know if it will be useful.  They both come
			with ethernet and TCP/IP standard.  The NeXT can
			also do AppleTalk, Novell, and several other
			protocols (standard).

	Macintosh:	Does AppleTalk over a LocalTalk port.  (LocalTalk
			is just a special serial port.)  LocalTalk is slow,
			but it is standard.  (The Amiga and Macintosh share
			much of the same price range.)

	Amiga:		The Amiga does allow networking standard if you
			consider ParNet and SerNet.  They are defacto
			standards because third-parties are beginning to
			utilize them.  (SAS/C allows debugging across
			either.)  More than two machines are allowed in
			the network if you are willing to give up both
			ports.  However, neither of these are done by
			the manufacturer (Commodore).  Besides that, I
			have a modem (serial) and printer (parallel) that
			also want those ports.

	Atari Lynx:	Portable video game with up to four units in a
			network; both of which beat the Amiga.  (I don't
			have one because the Amiga has other advantages.)

	Ninbimbo Lame Boy:
			Portable video game with up to two units in a
			network.

As you can see, the price competition is the Macintosh but the connectivity
competition is the Lame Boy.  (Unless you want to give up both serial and
parallel ports.)  Is there some hardware guru who could build us an
inexpensive bus type network interface?  It wouldn't have to be expensive
or fast, but it should allow aa large number of computers to connect.  The
parallel and serial ports are usually used, but has anyone considered the
disk drive port?

			-=:[ VAL ]:=-

p.s.: Networking is important in a computer today.  [:-)]

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From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: UST HST DS FAX with ASL settings
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:17:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone use this with JR-Comm 1.02a?
If so, what are the best settings you have found so far?

Or, if anyone with a high-speed modem has found some awesome settings, let
me know, please!

Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: madsen@cs.iastate.edu (Dave Madsen)
Subject: Re: Best High Speed Modem Deal?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.174805.871@head-cfa.harvard.edu> dj@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Diab Jerius) writes:
>
>i just got two zyxel 1496E's, one for my Amiga, one for an IPC at work.  it
>works like a charm on the Amiga (B2000, VLT w/ the standard serial.device
>(from 2.04).  couldn't lock the baudrate at 38.4K, got some errors whilst
>using zmodem, but works fine at 19.2K.).  now if only i could get the IPC to
>behave...
[...]
>i got mine for ~US$350.  it has worked real well, and having tuned in to the
>Supra gripes on the datacomm groups think that the extra dough is worth it.
>
>diab
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>
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Will this modem work with the generic version of GPFax? (ie. does it
have the Rockwell chipset?)

--Dave

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From: tdeck@lifestyle.rhein-main.de (Thorsten Deck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: RTS on a 2232/DLG ftp sites
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:44:25 MED
Organization: Life-Style

Im Artikel <1992Nov12.213209.17426@isunix.cdx.mot.com>,
markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy) geschrieben:
>Keywords: 
>Has anyone noticed any problems with the A2232 card dropping RTS, and
forgetting
>
>to raise it?  This seems to happen during a blasts of ASCII (message uploads).
>RTS will drop, but never come back up.  Power cycling the modem does nothing.
>Launching another pgm that raises RTS will "reset" it.  At 1st I thought this
>was a Xenolink problem (no disrespect intended), but it does it under DLG as
>well.  I've 2 ports running locked at 19200, and this is the only problem the
>2232 gives me.  Please, no messages suggesting I buy a new card, I'm not
>looking for one, I like my 2232.  This is running on a 3000 under 2.04 using
>the drivers that came on the WorkBench disks.
>
>And since I'm too lazy to post a new article...
>
>Anyone now of any good ftp sites for DLG utils, doors, etc?
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Hello!
I hope i can help you with my bad english (Sorry)
I have run a bbs with 8 Ports on my A2232 are 6 Modems
1. Hst DUAL 19200
2. Supra Plus 9600
3. supra Plus 9600
4. supra V32bis 19200
5. supra Plus 9600
6. HST DUAL 19200

2 Modems on a MultiFace Card 2
1. HST DUAL 38400
2. Zyxel 16.8  57600 

If you run a HD on the DMA SCSI Controller on the A3000 board!
You muss insert the GVPPatch PRG in the Startup-sequence:
(It fix all DMA Controllers)
GVPPatch -sSerial.device -sOldeser.device

Then you musst insert in your ENV from the ZModem (Use RTS/CTS)
,B32 or ,B64 

Then you install the A2232 Driver from the New Workbench 2.1
This driver use the DTR and RTS/CTS right! In the most american
Boards is this driver in the DFUE Area!

I had no Problem this settings work fine and make a great CPS!

I hope this  can help you!

BYEBYE
Thorsten
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re:  XPR-Bidirectional
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:36:52 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <Bxzs03.3uF@unccsun.uncc.edu> by jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard):

> I don't think bimodem is patented... copyrighted, yes, but that doesn't prevent
> reverse engineering, and the like....

    From the file list at the BMS site hactar.hanse.de:

    uupub:amiga/comm:

    ...

    -----rwxd     115    57624  Oct 28 23:04  xprbimod.lha
    -----rwxd       6     2249  Nov  6 08:40  xprbimod.lha.Contents
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner)
Subject: Re: Bi-Modem
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:01:53 GMT

In <Gene_Ruebsamen.01e1@republik.fidonet.org> Gene_Ruebsamen@republik.fidonet.org (Gene Ruebsamen) writes:

>Why does everyone insist that Bi-Modem doesnt exist for the Amiga?
>I have the XPRBimodem.library, came w/no docs, but seems to work ok i
>guess, I havent tried out the bi-modem features yet cause i cant find
>someone else to use it on.  Also, there is a small comm program made
>specifically for full duplex transfers of 2 files simultanoeously.. Its
>called twc.lha or something to that effect, its on many boards, its a well
>written program and can take advantage of any serial.device driver you may
>have including baudbandit.device, i beleive it only works under 2.04 or
>above, works fine on 3.0!! 

We insist there is none because Xprbimodem is a fake.  Someone just
renamed xprzmodem.  Its vapor-ware of the highest order.  Also, Twc.lha
is only designed for transfer on a direct serial link, as far as I know.
So we're back to square one : no bi-directional protocol for the
Amiga.  And let me say unequivocally: THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT!  I don't
know if the various xpr developers just don't realise the desire for this
or don't know how to approach the problem.  But I just wanted to post and
say that all these legal ramblings aside, we really do want a bi-directional
package and yes we will pay for it!  

Finally, for those who had posted about seeing xprbimodem being here or
there or having it, let's apply what I like to call the "Emplant test".
If you have it AND it works AND you've personally used it, then we'd
like to hear about it.  But if you saw something called xprbimodem on
your local BBS but didn't bother trying it, we're not interested.

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(No, not the R. Huebner who did szmodem!)
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From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:30:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Possibility of a comp.sys.amiga.bbs?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm

BBS listing of Amiga boards - world wide and by state.
Doors that are available and run on different (or which) bbs-ware.
Threads for each of the compatible programs.
FAQ - listing home sites for all bbs-programs and utils.
Help for those having setup problems or wanting the lastest rev.

Gads! Sounds like an Amiga sysop's version of heaven.
 
Yes on Amiga.bbs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: pooler@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole)
Subject: Re: XPR mailing list (was Re: XPR-Bidirectional)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.180933.21281@freenet.carleton.ca> aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:
>
>In a previous article, pooler@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Robert Peter Poole) says:
>>In short: SLIP and DNET (the latter of which is really just a hack, sort of a
>>poor man's X windows) are not good examples of bidirectional protocols in the
>>sense that I mean them (that is, sending two streams of data *continuously* as
>>fast as the modem will allow).
>
>
>  Not having ever considered running any of the protpriatary protocols such
>as Bi-modem/etc, I can not comment on them.  When one looks at the modem
>lights and if one has an LCD display, the actual 'on the fly bps ratings',
>the assumption that Dnet and SLIP don't 'Pump it up' is one that is easily
>proven wrong.

This is hardly a scientific way of testing the true bps rate in each direction.
The formulas used by software and/or hardware for computing bps are usually
wrong.  Ask an engineer.

[crap deleted]

>P.S. I thought your 'plug deleted' was amusing.  I'm pushing freely available
>software, and you seem to be pushing commercial/licence required software.
>Who is doing the 'plug'? <grin>

Well, considering that I'm pushing a protocol, not the IBM implementation of
that protocol, I think your argument holds very little water.  Your argument
reduces to pure nonsense if you replace `BiModem' with `Zmodem.'  Since an
Amiga implementation of BiModem is just as easily `freely available' as any
other protocol (that is to say, it's as freely available as the programmer
who implements it WANTS it to be), this obviously has nothing to do with money.
I can't possibly be talking about the IBM implementation of BiModem since that
simply won't run "as-is" on an Amiga without emulation software or hardware.

See, I'm not pushing commercial/license-required software.  In fact, I'm not
necessarily pushing anything.  But if you had basic reading skills you'd know
that.

Try telling Chuck Forsberg that Zmodem is free and see what kind of reaction
you'll get.  I'm not exactly clear on the status of Dnet or the particular
implementation of SLIP you are using, nor do I particularly care.  However,
if someone wrote a SLIP or a Dnet implementation that cost money, would that
mean that you were trying to sell that person/company's product?  Of course
not, you were promoting a standard, not an implementation.

Incidentally, a `plug' is any instance of promoting anything, not necessarily
limited to commercial software.  You plugged your favorite protocols in your
post, and I deleted that from my followup because it was a waste of space.

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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: GPFax launching Getty
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:32:29 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Tue 17 Nov 92 11:15, Gregp@gpsoft.adsp.sub.org (dr Greg 
wrote:

 GG> Ken (and other GPFax users.)

How much does GPFax retail for?  I may be interested in it.

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From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Subject: Re:  XPR-Bidirectional
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:36:58 GMT

In article 3167@jammys.ocunix.on.ca, jam@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James McOrmond) writes:
>>Why is BiModem so complex?  You send a packet while recieving a packet,
>>If you have to Ack/Nack, you just have an Ack/Nack packet.  Communications
>
>Bi-modem isn't so complex.  The problem is that the author of Bi-modem has
>copyrighted the protocol, and if someone were to write a compatible Amiga
>protocol and didn't get his permission, they'd get sued so bad.  We would
>all as well be running an "Illegal" protocol.

why??? if someone writes some code, and doesn't use the original bi-modem author's
code, how can that be violation of copyright?
From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:33:46 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Sat 14 Nov 92 12:32, Bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (gregory R. 
wrote:

 BR> Personally, I want CID for several reasons.  1)  I like to know who
 BR> calls my system.  I don't run a BBS.  Just WelMat.  I'd like to
 BR> record the CID info with the session log.

It does have some interesting possibilities, indeed.  With my SupraModem
and caller ID in the roms (which I have), I can use a program I just
obtained recently (freeware) for use with Trapdoor and DLG that tracks
phone numbers via Caller Id and you can determine what to do with the
person/caller.  For instance, if the numbers don't match, have DLG send you
Email warning you, notify the user (asking him to explain the
disrespectancy), and/or kick the user off the system.  There's a few more
options and it is nice. :)

With another piece of software one can, as soon as the phone numeber is
detected (and if the user has this flag activated in his account on DLG)
have DLG automatically log him right in without name/password.  While this
is nice, it could present some security problems.

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From: gregp@gpsoft.adsp.sub.org (Dr Greg Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: GPFax class 2 generic
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:18:31 GMT
Organization: GP Software, Australia
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov17.184938.5058@sarah.albany.edu> hibrown@vidar.albany.edu (Herb Brown) writes:
> Is the class 2 generic GPFax software available through mail-order?
> This is the version that presumably will work with ZyXEL modems.
> 
> If so, from whom? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Herb


'generic' version of GPFax is available through Supra in US.  If not then
you may buy by mail order (VISA) direct from GPSoftware in Australia

Mail me for specific details

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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: NULL Modem - IBM <> Amiga
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:59:08 GMT

John_Mark_Newton@cup.portal.com writes:

>I am very interested in a null-modem cable from Amiga to PC. Please post 
>anything you learn. I would hate to blow up my boss's PC!

This one is simple.  Take your serial cable and get a null-modem adapter
and hook up amiga's serial port to the pc's serial port.  Then you can use
any comm program, but it would be best if you used twin express.  It comes
with an ms-dos and amiga program to run a sort of shell between the two
whereas you can copy to and fro.  And at an amazing speed of 156k baud.
But if you had to amigas, even a500's you can do 190k baud.  Which is about
19kb a sec.  

Martin