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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct15.211142.25770
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <mattm-151092101337@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

My my my.  Moral Correctol before bed seems to work.

Only one *small* observation at this time:

>Anything that can be seized in a 
>moment of self-righteous furry is 'the program.'

Poor George, maligned at every turn.

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Elton John donating all royalties?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:20:44 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1466@dosbears> drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:

>Was it all recordings, or just singles? I vaguely recall some
>musician recently saying that proceeds from singles sales from
>future albums would be donated, but maybe that was someone else....

According to what I heard (plowing down the expressway at 9:15 at 
night), the new report siad "all royalties from record sales".

I saw a posting in rec.music.misc which states that this is going
to be _only_ for singles, so this may be wrong.  In any event, at
least Elton's no longer publicly denying we exist.

Oops, bad Mike!  
(Sounds of wrist being slapped)
Shouldn't talk about your city's token Gay celebrity in that way!
At least if you don't want to include the rumored B. Brown and
W. Houston :-)


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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:30:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct12.155204.14037@macc.wisc.edu>  
  <1992Oct12.181600.20654@macc.wisc.edu> <manz.718957072@ee.ualberta.ca>  
  <67737@cup.portal.com> <67757@cup.portal.com>
  <manz.719154778@ee.ualberta.ca>

Brett Manz slaps me around a little:

>In <67757@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank Swilling) writes:

>>I run out of joss, nationality-wise:

>>>Brett Manz presses his joss:

>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Definition of joss...
>>>>joss \'ja:s, 'jo.s\ n [pidgin E, fr. Pg deus god, fr. L - more at DEITY]:
>>>>   a Chinese idol or cult image
>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>In James Clavell's novels, "joss" is a Japanese word for "luck".
>>>                                       ^^^^^^^^
>>                                      *Chinese*, that is.

>This makes my previous hypothesis even more plausible!

What!  You had a hypothesis?  Ooooo, yes, I see, and a very nice one too.
All right, then, here's another tidbit, courtesy of Clavell -- the Chinese
are incredibly superstitious.  Joss, particularly cultivating the good and
avoiding the bad, is a *very* *big* *thing* in their lives.  I wouldn't be
surprised to learn that they have idols and cult images for just about any
contingency.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: We now resume our regularly scheduled hate crimes
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:07:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct13.140724.15207
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

PGMC/PLC Tour

All the cards filled with well wishes are truly wonderful and 
appriciated.  We will take those spirits with us to K-Falls, Coos Bay
and Springfield.  It is really scary, but we got to do it.  We do
and don't want confrontation.  Of course we don't want any violence.

Thanks for all of your support!

P.S.  Yeah, we were broke coming into September, but that has been
normal for the past few years.  Two years ago we came into
the season around $10,000 in the hole and last year we came into the
new season $3,000.  This year we broke even!  So we are in reality 
really getting our stuff together!
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:40:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.224027.3665
Organization: insert anything here

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) wrote:

>> 	Surprised?  I don' think I've ever seen Madonna do anything
>> original - it's all rehash from someone else, with a little trash
>> thrown in for media flash.

>Amazing.  Yes, Donna Who has summed up the secrets of pulling in eighty
>million dollars a year!  Yes, folks, that's right!  Just grab all you
>can get from has-beens and throw in a little trash and *you* *too* can
>be the highest paid working girl in the world...

	Well, it worked for you...

	Lap it all up... good doggie...

	So, what is the lifetime of each successive "it" girl?
Most of them died before they fell out of the public eye, though
certainly Mae West kept it going for much longer.  I suppose in Madonna;s
case we're seeing the combination of 25 years of feminism combined
with that schtick - she has more leeway to determine projects, etc
outside of a studio or other manipulative group.  Not that they ain't
making their $$$ off her...  But somehow I just don't see people
raving over "Who's that Girl?" or "Dick TRacy" in comparison to,
oh, "Some Like it Hot.", 10, 15, 20 years from now (or even now).

	OK well then music maybe - but even then, we have legends
going back 20-30 years in rock now - I just can't see people going
gaga over the material girl in 2010AD.  (As opposed to Tina Turner,
Cher, Aretha Franklin , etc. who have been performing since the 60's.)
Now of course here, Melmutt will interject some sort of ranking criteria
based upon $$$, asserting that none of the other made as much $$$.
I'm sure that the creator of the Pet Rock made a tidy sum the 20
minutes it was in vogue, it doesn't mean it outdoes a dog or a cat.

	Of course if $$$ does mean that much, then it's obvious our
heroes will travel in different circles.

BBC
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:54:20 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct15.031732.28970@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

|> Actually, the way I saw it was that he blew it by being stupid, and earned
|> a place in my kill file because I've got better things to do than read
|> what stupid people write.  It isn't my job to be person email couch to
|> stupid (or to be generous, just really clueless) newbies.  

I never said it was.  Put him in your kill file, however, don't waste 
bandwidth responding to every message he posts saying "you are so stupid
it boggles the mind".


|> If you're looking for the position of soc.motss saint, I doubt you'll
|> have much competition for the role.

Fuck off...


FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:53:31 GMT

drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:

>In article <thaaang.718510799@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>>
>>>In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>>>Who's Janis Joplin?
>>
>>>Marlene Dietrich's illegitimate daughter by Mary Pickford, of course. Meryl 
>>>Streep is her third cousin, by the way.
>>
>>...And she *babysat* Madonna! It's all beginning to make sense now...

>I thought Janis was Scott Joplin's mother....

He's the kid from Happy Days, right?

--
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:09:29 GMT

> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:
>> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>I *am* gentile, so I can't say this
>>with authority, but I'd guess (and please tell me if I'm wrong) that
>>Jews are no longer an oppressed class, really...

>                                                ...I am astonished that anyone 
>would say oppression of Jews is over.  Sure, it is easier to get a job than in 
>the 50s when specific denial of opportunity was more rampant, but this is far 
>from over.  I would not even consider living in most of this country due to 
>anti-Semitic prejudice (mostly in the South and Midwest)...

 [more incidences of anti-semitic attitudes deleted]

I'm with Howard here.  I've seen observant Jews openly
ridiculed at work -- even by other Jews -- for wearing
a yarmulke, keeping kosher and seeking a similarly-
inclined spouse.  Those same non-religious Jews have
themselves been ridiculed for taking days off on Jewish
holidays, and for being less than ho-ho-ho merry when
Christmas is relentlessly celebrated in the workplace.
When catered events are planned, much groaning and rolling
of eyes ensues if anyone has the temerity to suggest that
kosher food be offered to those who might want it, though
vegetarians are gladly catered to in this otherwise-PC
neck of the woods.  And synagogues around the Bay Area
have frequently been vandalized and daubed with swastikas
in recent years.  The Jewish population here is relatively
small and unobstrusive.  In New York/New Jersey, where
probably most American Jews live, I've witnessed open
resentment and hate of Jews by gentiles.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nomad@castle.org (Lee Damon)
Subject: Re: Something fishy here in Oregon
Organization: The Castle, not-yet-Public Access Un*x Systems; Mahopac, NY
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:36:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.093954.11918@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>Maybe I missed it but is one of the suspects who killed the two gays
>in Salem still on the lose somewhere?  I remember reading in the press
>that the police were looking for a third suspect down in Lincoln City.

I seem to recall that according to clarinews, he was caught with in a
couple of days of the attack.

nomad
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: The Unwritten Law
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.185601.16416@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>Either you have a just and loving God who has no problem with
>>men loving men and women loving women, or you have an unjust God.
>
>Then, some people react to this cognitive dissonance with an "aha!"
>and realize the the whole line they've been fed is a crock of
>silliness, say their final fuck-yous to their co-religionist
>tormentors, and get on with their lives free at last of all
>that nonsense.

Alas, if only it were that easy.

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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:29:58 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <ldrc2cINNi92@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>Fuck off...

Maybe if you beg, but probably not even then.

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:28:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington


I agree with you wholeheartedly. I believe the point I was trying to
make is that when I read a discussion that has a long thread, and I 
do not see any correlation to a minority point of view, I do not take
that as I am being excluded. I think that I might add my comments to
it. I think that I can add to a discussion on my merits and nobody
would know that it is a member-of-a-racial-minority's point of view
unless I make it evident that I am a member of a racial minority.

So, the comments made in any discussion do not necessarily exclude
a minority's point of view because minorities are participating in
the discussion, although nobody realizes that. This is the way I feel
it should be. In this situation, race or ethnic background means 
nothing. It has no real impact on the discussion until it is revealed.
Once the racial-ethnical backgrounds of the discussion participants
is discovered, people tend to align themselves along those lines.

This, in my opinion, destroys the "pureness" of the items under 
discussion.

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From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Summary: I'm back, and having a grand old time
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:09:10 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>> >Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:

>> >> I have a decent regard for Madonna, who's nobody's dummy,
>> >> but a person of the cultural stature of Dietrich she's not
>> >> very likely ever to be, nor even of the stature of Janis
>> >> Joplin, to pick someone in the music field.

>> >Who's Janis Joplin?

>> The character Bette Midler played in "The Rose".

>Who's Bette Midler?

Arguably the person who swiped Divine's name and audience.

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: request for text of OR and CO ballot initiatives
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:55:32 GMT

tchrist@convex.com (Tom Christiansen) writes:

>Could someone out there please mail me either the exact texts themselves
>or ftp pointers to such text for the upcoming initiatives coming up in 
>Oregon and Colorado?

The Oregon amendment can be found in /pub/QRD/qrd/text/oca-amendment on 
nifty.andrew.cmu.edu. 

The Colorado amendment can be found in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/CO-cfv.amendment 
also on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu.

The Queer Resouces Guide is available by anonymous ftp at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu
and contains information of interest to the Queer Community.

Latest additions include the text of the Democratic and Republican Party 
Platforms, as well as every AIDS TREATMENT NEWS for the 1992 Calendar year.

If yu need any more information, email me at buckmr@rpi.edu or buckmr@rpitsmts


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: FOR MY BROTHER
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:21:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hi,

I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
access.)

He is 29 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 6' tall, and being
his little sister, I have no clue how much he weighs.  

He wants to write letters to someone on the basis of a friendship.

If you are interested, please e-mail me and I will tell you more
and give you his address.

Thanks.

Chris.  :)
Newsgroups: soc.misc,soc.culture.usa,soc.rights.human
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Death penalty but convicted person was innocent?
Keywords: Death penalty, innocent
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:21:30 GMT

Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de> writes:
>I have many reasons why I'm against it, most of which she won't accept:
>- If we accuse them of killing, we can't kill ourselves,

Would you extend this argument to argue that kidnappers should not be put
in jail?

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: soc.misc,soc.culture.usa,soc.rights.human
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Death penalty but convicted person was innocent?
Keywords: Death penalty, innocent
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:16:53 GMT

In article <josef.718900129@uranium> Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de> writes:
>One reason she might accept would be if there were cases known where
>people were sentenced to death, then killed, and afterwards 
>found to be not guilty, i.e. they were killed innocent.

Every day, in EVERY country, innocent people die at the hands of
the state.  Few are sentenced to die, but they still die.

Prisons are not nice places; most of the people who die in them
are not executed by the state, but ....

"Killing innocents" doesn't distinguish the death penalty from other
punishments.  Moreover, since people who aren't sentenced to die don't
get significant review ....

-andy
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Newsgroups: soc.misc
From: bwwoodco@nyx.cs.du.edu (bryan woodcock)
Subject: surveyu[D
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:03:59 GMT

Brian,
 I will help in that survey... My address is Woodcock_bw@alice.lrc.edu
my girlfriend will help too...

Bryan
From: muffy@mica.berkeley.EDU (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: denial
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:54:37 GMT
	<1992Sep30.203548.144919@zeus.calpoly.edu>
	<MUFFY.92Oct5155429@remarque.berkeley.edu>
	<1b1d9hINNbnh@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated

In article <1b1d9hINNbnh@agate.berkeley.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>Actually, a large percentage of the draft debate tends to be:
>"What's the problem?  There is no draft!"  That's denial.

It's not denial, it's the truth.  If it's registration you want to work
on, then say so.  If it's outlawing future drafts, say so.

>The natural complaint against feminism, when there is a "big problem
>for men" that remains unresolved and ignored by feminists, is that
>feminism sold (and sells) itself as a movement for equality.  When
>feminism fails to address inequalities against men (and indeed fights
>for powers that exceed equality), then it lays itself open to criticism.

>This complaint is the wrong response, IMHO; the better conclusion
>is to realize, as Muffy has often said (and contrary to much of the
>general perception of feminism), that feminism focuses on gaining
>"equality" and rights for women, not for all persons.

Actually, this is not what I have said at all.  If you're going to quote
me, please try to get it right.  What I *have* said, quite frequently,
is that feminism is focused on problems that affect women strongly.
That is very different from saying that it is not trying to gain
equality for all persons.  It *is* trying to gain equality for all
persons, but the *problems* that it chooses to work on are those that
directly and seriously affect women.  It does not claim to be addressing
every single problem of inequality that ever existed in the world.

Many anti-feminists use the "equality" (meaning every single inequality
that ever existed) argument to say that feminists should be working on
problems that affect men more than women, or they're being hypocrites.
So, this "general perception" of feminism is actually, in my opinion, a
creation and tool of the anti-feminists.

Muffy
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 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn


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From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: WANTED: Addresses of Alternative Weeklies -- for _Nina's_Adventures_
Date: 16 Oct 1992 22:25:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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=o= A friend of mine, the enormously talented Nina Paley, has
a weekly strip that runs in a handful of newspapers nationwide.
I think this strip is absolutely the bees' knees:  hilarious,
well-drawn, incisive, and feminist.  I daresay that's it's
as cutting as the best of _Life_in_Hell_.  (Nina might not
appreciate my making this comparison, but I think her strip
works much like _Life_in_Hell_ and _The_Simpsons_:  cute-
looking art that draws readers in and then hits them hard.)

=o= I'd like to see this strip, _Nina's_Adventures_, running
in more newspapers, all over the country.  Not only because
it's a great strip, but because I think it's one of those those
bits of culture that actually does some good.

=o= Lots of people -- especially women -- find her strips
cathartic and empowering.  It's also one of the most consist-
ently and coherently feminist strips going.  I'm happy that
the most successful weekly strips (_Life_in_Hell_, _Ernie_Pook_,
and especially _Sylvia_) are well-infused with feminism, but
I'd like to see a more direct message out there, too.  I
think Nina has managed to get that more direct message, while
(usually) managing to avoid the dreaded being-beaten-over-the-
head-with-a-sledgehammer effect.

=o= If you've got the address of a local paper that runs weekly
strips, could you send it to me at jym@mica.berkeley.edu?  I'm
thinking of alternative weeklies (e.g., the _Village_Voice_,
the _Boston_Phoenix_, the _Bay_Area_Guardian_, etc.) as well
as dailies that run weekly strips (e.g., the _SF_Examiner_).

=o= Also, if you know of any women's publications that might
be interested, please send me their address.  Sadly, Nina's
found a few doors closed to her in those circles, since she's
not a lesbian.
    Many thanx,
    <_Jym_>


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