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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Standings and playoffs (?)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:22:10 GMT

zentner@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (Martin Zentner) writes:

>Hi folks,

>First: How do you calculate the divisional standings ? (In detail: What  
>kind of sorting is done after the pct ?)

head-to-head then divisonal pct, then conference pct, then common opponents

>Second: How do you determine the playoff-games ? (More precise: Who meets  
>who in the conference-playoffs. --> No names, no guesses, just the way,  
>how it is done.)

First round: worst wild card at worst division winner
             middle wild card at best wildcard

second round: worst first round winner (ie a wild card team) at
              best division winner
              best first winner (wild card or worst division winner) at
              middle divsional winner

third round: worse of remaining two at better of remaining two

(worse or better means according to the NFL tie-breaker system, unless one
 is a wild card and one is a division winner. the division winner will
 always play at home if playing a wild card).


>Last: How do you build the season-gameplan ? What kind of system is behind  
>the schedule ? (I don't think, they choose the matches by random.)

there is a formula for this... you of course play everyone in your division
twice, plus the top four of each division play the top four in another
division in the other conference on a rotating basis. (ie in 1989 NFC East
vs AFC West, 1990 NFC East vs AFC East, 1991 NFC East vs AFC Central, 1992
back to NFC East vs AFC West). The fifth place teams in the 5 team divions
have a home and home with another 5th place team. Plus one each with the
two other 5th place teams (I think). The remaining games have some formula
with second in one division meeting first in another etc to fill out the
reamaining 4-6 games. I dont recall it off hand...

>     Martin
>_______________________________________________________________________
> Martin Zentner     
>       zentner@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (NeXT-Mail welcome)
>       "If you ask me, you have to take 42 as an answer."   
>_______________________________________________________________________
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Philly Taxes vs Pro Sports, etc
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 13:28:34 GMT


A while back I posted asking about the Philadelphia visitors
tax. Seems know that the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB folks and
their players association are taking up arms to prepare a 
legal defense against it.

Sudden thought: If I'm an tax preparer for an Eagle, Phillie,
76ers, or Flyers - I'm thinking my boys only owe tax on
about half what they earn currently - given that they earn
the rest 'out of town'. What a deal. 

Does Canada have an income tax? (I don't think so.) Are 
the MLB players required to file US taxes - perhaps not if
this Philadelphia phenomena lives.

Here's a niche business opportunity in pro sports. Become a
tax preparer specializing in the city-wage taxes.

Thoughts?

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NT/BNR/MTXVO | ugly and unethical."                - Nietzsche 
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: #1 Ranked Offense/ Defense
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:01:21 GMT

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From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: Dolphins Eat the Bills for Lunch...
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:38:22 GMT

In article <16876127B6.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes:
> 
> 
>    Well, I watched the Bills get the shit beat out of them today.  It
>really sucked hard. I have to give a certain amount of credit to the
>'Fins.  They looked great, and could  beat any pussy NFC east team if
>they continue to play that way.  At any rate, I have a few observations
>to share.  First, I think it is time for a new coach at Buffalo.  Every
>time the Bills get in a big game, they are outcoached. The only reason
>that they win so many games is the talent that they have.  Marv has
>had a great record over the years, but I think its time for a change.
>Where the fuck is Buddy Ryan?
Yes, I can't agree more....  Buddy? Is he ex-Phila coach?
And where is Dallas Green? Mets need a new manager, too. 
Oooops, I forgot discussions on other sports is prohibited here..

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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Eagles : YIKES!
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 04:03:26 GMT

Up until tonight, I thought the 49ers were the team to beat in the NFC.
But after watching the Eagles devour the Cowboys tonight (and keeping
in mind the way they demolished the Broncos), it sure looks like the
Eagles are the now the premier team in the NFC. We may find out when
the 49ers and the Eagles meet later this season, and it looks possible
they will meet again in the NFC championship game. Right now, even though
I'm a 49ers fans, I'd say the Eagles have the inside track. But the
49ers are very close, and they certainly have what it takes to beat
the Eagles if they play a halfway decent game.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:00:21 -0400 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: NFC Central

What the heck is going on in the NFC Central?  The division is upside
down.  Minnesota and Tampa Bay are both 3-1 under new coaches, Green Bay
is under a new coach and at 2-2 along with Chicago, and last year's big
surprise team, Detroit, is in the cellar at 1-3.  This should be an
interesting year.

The Vikings looked very impressive today, whipping the Cincinnati
Bengals, 42-7.  Gannon threw amazingly well, and Carter had a heck of a
day at WR, and they even put up a running threat, something they
couldn't do even with Herschel Walker.

Tampa Bay continues to amaze me beating teams that everyone thought
should be much better than them.  As a Sam Wyche fan, I'm tempted to
give the credit to better coaching, since they don't seem to have that
much more in terms of weapons than last year, but I think the young team
is getting experience.

Green Bay won a game on something other than luck today, soundly beating
a strong Steelers team 17-3.  The defense was solid, allowing some big
plays but strong over all.  Workman played a Thurman Thomas like game,
running effectively and having a number of key receptions, many on plays
other than screens.  The offense was fun to watch.  Favre threw well,
showing both touch and strength on the two TD passes.

The Bears are better than a .500 team, but just make too many mistakes. 
They lost to the weak Giants, and apparently had some amount of trouble
beating Atlanta today, but finally pulled out the win in a 41-31
shootout.  For a team with this much experience, they should be doing
better.

Detroit, however, I can't understand.  They lose to teams much worse
than them and even Sanders isn't running well (not by his standards,
anyway).  Rodney Peete has been throwing too poorly for a run-and-shoot
offense to allow, and their defense just hasn't been holding people well
enough to allow for an unproductive offense.

Any other comments?

Erik Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ed Marinaro question
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:30:38 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Where did Ed Marinaro play his college ball?
From: lowery@bnr.ca (Gary Lowery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NINERS WIN!!! YESSS!
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:13:34 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.

Lots of crap deleted.  

>Granted, the Cowboys have made a remarkable turn around the last three years. They still
>have to prove they can play consistently with the higher echelon of the NFL, which
>includes the Niners, Bills, Redskins, and Eagles. Even if they do beat one of these
>teams, they still have to finish the year. Who knows, they might go to SB. One fact
>that apparently escapes your distorted hate for Niner fans is, the NINERs have
>consistently been winners for the past ten years and are going into the 90's as
>contenders. The Cowboys have been pretenders the last 10 years. 
>
>-- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
>   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru

I agree with your last statement John.  I have to live in Cowbag country.
The 49ers still know how to win, let's see if the boys have what it takes.
I'm looking for the big choke.  I sense lots of jealousy with only 2 wins
in 5 Super Bowl appearances, with their last one being in the 70's.  This
compares to a 4-0 record for the 49ers.  We're not whining, just winning.
                 49er Faithful
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: To all Dolphin fans
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:44:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen) says:

>Dolphin fans have really let me down. They are doing the same thing!
Hey, if you can't shout out that your team is going to go undefeated,
then maybe you better chose a different team.  I always say Miami is
going all the way even after they lose 3 in a row!!!  I am a Miami
fan and I always will be.  I live in DC so I deal with the conceitedness
of the Skin fans (those racist!!), so I like to jump for joy when I
can because football is totally unpredictable!

Mike
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 16:58:45 GMT
Subject: Re: SuperBowl Champions Washington Redskins (Re: SuperBowl Champions Philly Eagles)
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
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I hate to say it but if MoonBeam keeps running like that He'll be watching
the Super Bowl form his hospital bed. I agree they are a very good team
and no one can argue with their talent but they have this HABIT OF CHOKING
in really important games.


Bills vs Falcons (Yuk Yuk)
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Jets (or Propellers)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Sep28.121700.1
Organization: University of Louisville



        Ooooooh, what about those Jets! Where are all those people who only
a few short weeks ago were saying the Jets would surpass Miami and challange
the Bills for the division. It's still early but I don't think the dolphins
will lose more than 5 games this regular season and the Bills probably won't
lose more than 3 or 4.

                           -doug the dolfan-
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From: bng@tropix.uucp (Baldwin Ng)
Subject: EAGLES vs BILLS???
Reply-To: bng@tropix.UUCP ()
Organization: GCA/Tropel Division, Fairport, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:34:34 GMT

Does anybody knows when Philadelphia Eagles will play
against Buffalo Bills in the coming months?  Did they 
(Bills) ever play against Eagles this season yet?
Will there be a home game at Buffalo where Bills will
play against visiting Eagles?  Please excuse my ignorance
of NFL,  I have not really got into it until this
season.

Please reply to:
	ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu
OR	bng@tropel.gca.com

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From: frigo@asiago.med.ge.com (Fred Frigo 5-5806)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:41:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: mr.1992Oct2.144108.2756
Reply-To: frigo@opustech.com
Organization: Opus Technologies, Inc.  Brookfield WI


Keith Millard came to Green Bay for a physical and a tryout.
The Packer medical team was hesitant to pass him on his physical
due to the poor condition of his knee.   Millard had left town,
not expecting to be offered a Packer roster spot.   To his surprise,
Millard was offered the contract when he got home.

Millard was quoted on arrival in Green Bay as saying, " I never
thought I'd be playing for the Green and Yellow.. ".   After Millard
learns that the actual Packer colors are Green and Gold, and we
see him play, I'm not so sure that this addition to the Packer
roster is going to mean much.

Millard was also quoted as saying "I'm happy to come to 
Green Bay, because it's a small town and people won't get on my case
if I play bad."  Keith should have a little talk about that with
Don Majkowski and Tony Mandarich.  If anything, Green Bay is
going to be alot worse than anywhere else.  These little 85 year
old ladies are going to be coming up to Millard at Sureway when
he's trying to buy a gallon of milk and they'll be asking him
why he couldn't tackle Barry Sanders on 3rd and 8 halfway though
the fourth quarter. 
 
To make room for Millard, Esera Tualo was waived.  Tualo came to
camp in poor shape.  Tualo lost his brother during the off-season
and has had a difficult time getting back into his game.


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From: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Gannon
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In previous posts on the NFC Central :

>>  The Vikes, however, seem to have found themselves a QB.  I never
>>thought Gannon was as good as he was today, probably because I just
>>assumed defense was the reason they have always done well.  They have a
>>lot of talent, more than I ever thought, but I think that they will win
>>the division mainly because the division is all around .500.

>Do people that have seen much of Gannon think he's any good?  I
>haven't seen him play yet this year.

I have always thought that Gannon had the talent and have seen 
"flashes of brilliance" in his play.  The problem was always been
a lack of experience and confidence.  Last year was the first year
that Gannon was in charge, and the Vikes had all sorts of distractions
(Walker, for example) which interfered.  

The Vikes won yesterday primarily because of Gannon.  Could they
finally have found a quarterback?  (The last good quarterback they
have had was Kramer in his prime).  I hope so.

    
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Great Teams (SUPER BOWL BOUND)
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:15:21 GMT

Go GIANTS! (Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU) wrote:
> In article <1992Oct2.161955.14434@csc.ti.com> rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott) writes:
> >From: rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott)
> >Subject: Great Teams (SUPER BOWL BOUND)
> >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:19:55 GMT
> 
> >Good Teams Make It To The Super Bowl..(Buffalo,Denver..Etc....)
> 
> >GREAT TEAMS Win Them (GAINTS, REDSKINS, STEELER, 49ERS..Etc...)
> YES!...................^^^^^^
> 
> The GIAnts are a great team, just leaderless this year.
> 
> 
> Where are all the Giants FANS!  Oh my GOD I'm all alone...
> AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
> H E L L L L P   M E E E E E E E E E E E.......

Us Giants fans are in hiding after losing to The Radiers 13-10...
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From: a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Patriots News 10/1
Summary: Quotes on Veris, Bills game, stats & stuff
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:22:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pan.a750288.28
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group


Patriots News 10/1

The loss of Garin Veris is starting to sink in at Foxboro.  Some comments:

MacPherson:  Nobody here did not want him.  I wish him well, but I  also  
have to say I wish he were here with us.

Bruce Armstrong:  I thought he was a great football player, but you can't 
replace the fact that the guy is in his eighth year, he has great leader-
ship qualities.......it'll  be hard to replace him.

Tim Goad:  ...I kept tellling him they were going to pull the hard line on
him, but this is big business.  [The Pats] have their limits and Garin has
his  limits, too.  I think this was just two wheels that weren't  going to
budge.


And some comments on the Bills romp:

MacPherson:  [the NE players] had high hopes, high aspirations, and now 
they're 0-3.  The only people that really suffer are the players themselves.
They work their butts off and take they take the hits.

Irving Fryar:  it's tough man.  It's our job.  We go out and practice, work
hard, and then this happens.  It's tough to go home.  It's tough to talk  to
people in  the street.  It affects your personal life.  It affects 
everything.


Some examples of how horrible it's been so far:

New England                      Opponents
    2            Sacks              14
    5           Lost Fumbles         1
    6           Interceptions       ??
 
Been inside the opponents' 20 yd line ONCE this season.
Three weeks in a row, a player opposing the Pats has been named Player of the
Week!


Some bright spots I found in this week's stats:

Russell 10th in AFC with 211 yds rushing, 3.9 yd avg.
Fryar 8th in AFC with 16 receptions, 201 yds, 12.6 avg.
McCarthy 5th in AFC for punting with a 43.3 yd avg.

and last, but certainly not least......

Jon Vaughn tied for FIRST in AFC in KO returns!!
8 returns, 212 yds, 26.5 yd avg., 59 yd longest return
Way to go, Jon!!

OG Larry Williams is doubtful for the Jets game (shoulder injury).

Take Care,
 
John 



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From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Pats vs. Jets
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:56:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Jets win 30-21.

In fact, just like I said it would be, it was close for a quarter, before
the Jets took over.

The Jets were definitely the better team.

was the game actually as close as 30-21?

yes and no. Jets lead 24-7 at one point, and the Pats scored
at the very end of the game... 

HOWEVER, the FG kicker missed an easy kick for the Pats, and the
Jet's made a 47 yard field goal... change those around and it
would be 27-24.

also, the Jets got an interception on an attempted throw-away
(amazing catch for a DB!) at the Pat's 20 or so...
and got a touchdown off a poor judgement of Pat's QB Millen.

take that away, or cut it to a field goal, and Pats could have won
or sent the game to overtime.

IF. IF. IF. IF.

But, although it REALLY sucks to be a fan of the only team to still
be winless in the NFL, there are actually some positive notes.

Irving Fryar. over 150 yards receiving.
Marv Cook looked good... made an amazing grab as he was smashed.
Hugh Millen... Ran the two minute offense well, even while taking
large amounts of punishment.
Bauman - (kicker) made all three Extra Points (no it's not a given)
The offense score 21 points in one game... thats 8 more points than they
score in the first three games... and it all occurred in the second half
when they could have easily given up.


On the bad side... Offensive line is still learning.....
they look like about halfway through preseason should look.

perhaps in 4 games they'll look like they are ready to start the season.
If you are puzzled by this, keep in mind that the Pats have the youngest
offensive line in the league (as far as I know).


Also on the bad side... The running game has completely died.
NO BLOCKING. 

When the oppenent's guess run, they put an extra guy on the defensive line
(or rush the saftey) and hit the RB the instant he gets the handoff
at least 50% of the time... time to talk to the offense about that one
coach!

Still, this team has some good players 49er fans might want to watch for next
week (No, I'm not woofing... I just figured you might like to know who the
few good Patriots players are).

John Vaughn - very quick RB
Fryar       - fake limp? fake hitch? sprint! touchdown!
Armstrong   - held Bruce Smith to one sack.
Tippet      - still a force, even at his age
Cook        - arguably has the best hands of any TE in the league

Yep, thats about it. 

enough for now, I'm just waiting for the first win... 
how about 1-7?
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