From: bam@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Bruce A. Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Interview
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:16:29 GMT
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...[from Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton]

Reposted to alt.politics.perot (because there are thinking people
there, too, and this may provide the answers they are seeking).

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Here it is...thanks to vandal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Levan Frederick
Hiemke) for faxing it to me!

Typos are mine, etc etc...

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Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
          [Richard's sig omitted, and moved to end]

To the Libertarian presidential candidate, Democrats and Republicans
are a bunch of left-wing socialists and right-wing socialists - in
Andre Marrou's world...Less government is more

Andre Marrou is the presidential candidate from the Libertarian Party,
which is the third-largest political party in the United States.  He
sat down with the Mercury News editorial board last week.  This is a
transcript of the conversation, edited by Phil Yost:

Q- The question that every third party candidate faces fro a voter is:
"I may be sympathetic to your point of view, but you're not going to
win, so why should I throw my vote away on you?"

A- That's the disinformation that the major parties are putting out.
The truth is the exact opposite.  You're throwing your vote away if you
vote for Tweedle-Dee or Tweedle-Dum.  Because from our point of view,
the Democrats and Republicans are a bunch of left-wing socialists and
right-wing socialists.  Together they are building government.
Together they have enacted the 1928 Socialist Party platform, and 70 to
80 percent of the Communist Manifesto and they have transgressed nine
of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

	We support individual liberty, which means that we must
minimize governmental power.

	If the American public voted for what they really believed in,
which is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of
Independence, then in my opinion, I would be the next president.

Q- Do you feel that the Libertarian point of view has influenced the
debate on political issues?

A- Only in the sense that it's rhetoric.  George Bush, Ronald Reagan,
Dick Nixon all got elected on Libertarian rhetoric.  George Bush said,
"Read my lips, no new taxes."  He said no new gun restrictions.  He
lied.

	Ronald Reagan said he would balance the budget.  He never even
submitted a balanced budget in eight tries.  He said he was going to
start paying off the national debt.  He didn't do that.

	Nixon, same thing.

	This is something they've been talking about for years, but
they don't mean it.

Q- What are the main points of the Libertarian platform?

A- The first is to repeal the personal income tax and abolish the IRS.

Q- Why does your platform include limiting congressional terms?

A- Forty-four governors are limited.  The president is limited.  We
feel that we need citizen statesmen, not professional politicians.  If
you could eliminate all the advantages of the incumbency, then I might
agree to no limit on terms, but you cannot do that.  It is far better
to throw somebody out after six or eight years and replace them with
someone else.  Besides, if they're good enough, they can go from the
House to the Senate or vice versa.

	If they're really that good and that beloved, then they can
have a whole lifetime full of political service.

Q- What would be your advice to Californians who are going to be voting
on a proposal for term limits for our representatives to Congress, when
there is no national term limit?

A- Anything you can do to cut the power of the government is good for
the people, and it will cut the power of the government to vote for
term limits.

	The way we view it is that individual liberty and government
power are on two sides of a balanced beam.  The more you have of one,
the less you have of the other.

	Individual liberty consists of the control of your time, your
body and your money.  We feel you should have the maximum control over
those three items provided you don't hurt or defraud anybody and you
accept responsibility for your actions.

	Democrats and Republicans disagree with that.  They think that
government is good, therefore the more you have of it the better.  We
think government is inherently evil.

	We have a de facto ruling class in this country.  It's the
federal bureaucracy.  They write rules and regulations for the rest of
us, and they force us to pay them to do that.

	If we object to those rules and regulations, they fine us.  If
we continue to object, they will arrest us.  If we continue to object,
they will beat the hell out of us like they did Rodney King; he broke a
rule, the speeding rule.  If we continue to object and resist, they
will kill us, and they'll get away with it.  They will not do any time,
they will not have to answer to a court.

	Because they'll claim some screwy thing - that you were crazed
with PCP, or that you had a hidden gun.

Q- In the fourth year of a Libertarian presidency, what's the size of
the federal budget?

A- My advisers say that we can cut the federal budget from $1,652
billion, where it is now, down to roughly a third of that in four
years.  In the second four years, that $550 billion can be cut in half
to $275.

	What we'll have after four years is a much smaller bureaucracy.
We'll have all the troops back home, defending the United States.
Taxes will be much lower.  We will probably have been able to get rid
of the income tax, or at least most of it.  We will have started
selling off excessive government land, which they're not supposed to
own at all, much less 79 percent of Nevada.

	That money will then be used to pay off the national debt.
After four years, it is entirely possible we will have paid off all of
it.  That would get rid of the $300 billion to $350 billion per year in
interest, which is a large portion of the national budget.

	The average worker will have $300 to $500 more a month to
spend.  There will be many more schools than available now.  They will
be privatized.  They will be of all shapes, colors, and descriptions.
They will be much cheaper than government schools.  Quality of
education will be much higher.

	There will be so much economic activity that economic growth
rates instead of being zero to 2 percent will to [sic] 10, 12, 15
percent.  Instead of having 3, 5, 6 percent inflation, we will have
zero inflation.  We will restore gold and silver coins and certificates
as required by the Constitution.

	Our relations with other countries will be much better.  We'll
have free immigration and free trade, so if Mexicans want to come
across the border and work here they'll be allowed to, but they will
not get anything free - like everyone else.  No one is going to get
anything.

	Charities will have taken over the welfare burden.  There'll be
many, many, many fewer people who are poor, if there are any at all.

	This is the kind of world that the founders of the country
would be in favor of and that the were in favor of.

Q- Why shouldn't the federal government own land?

A- The Constitution does not provide that the federal government should
own land.  When you hear about clear-cutting of old growth forests,
it's always on federal land.  When you hear about over-grazing of
rangeland, it's always on federal land.  No rancher is going to
overgraze his or her own property.  That would be suicidal.  That just
doesn't happen.  I was raised on a ranch.  People just don't do that.

Q- If you privatize education, how do you ensure that education is
equal for students?  That you won't have very good schools in some
areas and very bad schools in others?

A- You cannot.  Utopia is not an option.  However, I guarantee that
with private schools the quality will be much higher on the average and
the cost will be much lower on the average.  Grades K-12, the average
private school costs $2,000 to $5,000 per student per year.  The
average government school costs $6,000 to $9,000.

Q- Is there a government somewhere in the world that runs on
Libertarian principles or close to them?

A- Yeah, it was called the United States of America, prior to 1913,
when the Democrats and Republicans gave us the income tax, the IRS, and
the Federal Reserve system.  The next year, they gave us the first drug
laws, which created the drug crime problem that we have.

	And there were exceptions.  It was not purely Libertarian, but
economically anyway it was close to Libertarian.  Slavery is about as
non-Libertarian as you can get.  There was very little regulation, very
little bureaucracy, very low taxes, and we had double digit economic
growth rates.  That's how we absorbed millions of immigrants.

	Around the world now, we see little bits and pieces of
Libertarianism.  It's amazing to me that governments around the world
will try every aspect of government control before, as a final last
resort after everything else fails, they will try individual liberty.

	They will try freedom.  They will leave the people alone.

	Why is it so anathema to the government of every country in the
world to leave the people alone?

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[Richard's sig was as follows]_	
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
	  To sight it must ring clear as a bell, it must snap
          in the ear, feel pleasantly sticky between the fingers,
          smell fresh and tempting and taste heavenly.
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