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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Where is Jazz?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:42:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.music.bluenote, sue@snafu.seada.com (Sue Raul) writes:

> I want to hear live music from people like Geri Allen, David Murray, 
> Steve Coleman, Don Pullen, Abdullah Ibrahim, Evan Parker, Chico Freeman,
> Cedar Walton, Anthony Braxton. . . . 

Despite the reports of the imminent demise of jazz in NYC, I feel compelled to
point out that most of these people still choose to live there.  OK, Braxton
was in Oakland at least until a couple of years ago, and I suspect Chico is in
Chicago, but you get the picture.  I can say that none of the aforementioned
musicians, whom I would also dearly love to hear - well, I probably wouldn't
sell the farm to hear Evan Parker - have appeared anywhere around here (CO) in
the last four years (except maybe Cedar).  David Murray, for instance, lost a
lot of money coming to Denver a few years ago, and does not plan to repeat that
mistake.  Any place that has had as much as one visit from any of these guys in
that time has little or no right to complain, IMHO.

Sue, you're in San Diego, right?  OK, unbelievably dead for such a large metro
area (including LA).  But I can second the recommendation for the Bay Area,
as a place where such musicians even consider going to, and where there are
some relatively interesting locals.

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Marc Sabatella           Winner, 1992 First Annual Bill Evans Lookalike Contest
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: gwl%wave3_1@CONCERT.NET (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Sun Ra
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@concert.net

>>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:03 EDT, wave3_3!BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU!RARDIN said:

  Tim> I'm interested in adding a 3rd CD to my collection of Sun Ra CDs.
  Tim> I wanted to get one which featured some of the space chants.
  Tim> Specifically,

  Tim>    s - Space is the place
  Tim>    r - Rocket Number 9
  Tim>    w - We travel the spaceways
  Tim>  [ list of 17 discography entries]
  Tim> So, my question is: which disc should I get?

Well, more like "which can you find?".  Most of Sun Ra's opus is not
yet on CD.  Of the 17 you listed, these are available on CD, as far as I know:

  Tim> s   98.  Love in Outer Space: Live in Utrecht
  Tim> srw 107. A Night In East Berlin
  Tim> s w 117. Live in London 1990 (His Year 2000 Myth Science Arkestra)

  98 is one of my alltime favorites and has some great chants and
extended percussion passages.  107 is more "outside" but worth
getting.  177 is a limited edition from Wire and fetches $25+ in the
Boston area, though it is a good one.

  Tim> 99, 107 and 117 sound tempting, but do you suggest getting a live disc?

For chants, there is not better source (other than live).

Cadence usually carries the Leos (99 and 107).  


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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Where is Jazz?
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
	<SMEHTA.92Sep9120223@kwela.nynexst.Com>
	<1992Sep10.042813.26650@seada.com>
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:54:41


> sue@seada.com (Sue Raul) writes:

> > smehta@nynexst.com writes:

> >In terms of audience interest, I'd say San Francisco is far more
> >"civilized" than NYC.
> 
> Wow! You sure surprised me!
> 
> Have you been to San Francisco lately?  On what do you base this statement?

No, I haven't been and seen any live jazz in San Francisco since
spring '90 but I do have reliable sources (right Bill, Seth, Vincent
?? ;-)).  I don't think it can be worse than indicated by Kevin
Whitehead's recent CODA review of a gig w/ Michael Vladkovich (sp?)
and Rory Stuart where, besides a friend of the musicians, he was the
*only* other audience member. As one of the few open minds and ears
around town he has often complained about almost zero audience
interest in anything that is out-of-the-way musically.

/sandeep
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From: hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Cecil, density (was: Cecil on FMP)
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:51:42 GMT

rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

>I have exactly the same problem with density in a number of Cecil
>Taylor recordings, from the late 70s on. I just can't hear very
>clearly what anybody's doing, and I certainly can't hear any subtle
>interaction that might be going on between one player and another. On
>the other hand, the music doesn't have the raw, overwhelming sonic
>power of other chaotic ensembles like Borbetomagus.

My favorite Cecil Taylor records are pretty diverse in terms of lineup
and flavor: Indent (solo), Nefertiti (trio), 3 Phasis (sextet), Alms/
Tiergarten (large ensemble) etc. I guess I enjoy a small group record
in a different way from one with a larger ensemble. I agree that in
the late '70s sextet (the two records on New World, some of the Hat
Art sets), for instance, the density is too intimidating to always
be able to pick out the interplay. But I enjoy the energy and intensity
in a very physical way. The body takes over from the head, whatever...

I don't know how to compare this with my enjoyment of Borbetomagus.
I guess in the densest Cecil Taylor records, it's still possible to
distinguish the "gestures", whereas in recent Borbetomagus records,
I listen to the way the textures change.

Bill
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From: hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Hal Russell 1926-1992
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:43:52 GMT

ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:

>His last gig (I saw it) was at the Hot House in Chicago during the 1st week 
>of August with Joel Futterman and Noel Coppersmith, shortly thereafter he 
>underwent a quadruple bypass operation.  He appeared to be getting
>stronger in the following weeks, but in the end the heart failed.

After all those years in the midwest, I was fortunate to finally catch Hal
at probably his last NRG Ensemble gig (Seth Katz was also in attendance).
This was the Thursday of the week of SIGGRAPH, and we had driven across
town to Club Lower Links from the Saxophonitis gig at Hot House. Hal
was in fine form that night and tore through a short but blistering set.
(Didn't I review this earlier?)

If I'm having as much fun at Hal's age, I would consider it a life 
well-lived...

Bill
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Blues recommendations
Keywords: blues, Otis Rush, Albert Collins
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:02:17 GMT
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In article <seale.716501101@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
>I would like any recommendations on cd's by 
>Otis Rush, Albert Collins, and Roy Buchannan.

Otis Rush: "Mourning In The Morning": don't know if it's on CD, I
have the vinyl. An epochal meeting of Chicago blues guitar genius
with producers Mike Bloomfield and (?, the name Mark Naftalin comes
to mind, but I think it was that other keyboardist Bloomfield worked
with), and the same Muscle Shoals rhythm section who kicked ass behind
Wilson Pickett, Clarence Carter, Lulu, and Aretha on their best recordings.
Amazing songs and performance.

Albert Collins: any of the albums he cut in the 60s.


....
jimh@west.sun.com
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Paul Bley (was: ZYX/ESP)
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:06:05 GMT
	<1992Sep10.141951.15431@bnr.ca>
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain's message of 10 Sep 92 14:19:51 GMT


   CLOSER by Paul Bley has also been released on ZYX.  Anybody get it?


This is the trio disc I mentioned in a previous posting (but I
neglected to give its name). I think it's one of the nicer examples of
Bley's quiet side.


   Who are the musicians on the Bley releases

I'm doing this from memory, so excuse any errors...CLOSER has Barry
Altschul (drums) and Steve Swallow (bass). BARRAGE has Marshall Allen
(alto sax), Dewey Johnson (trumpet), Eddie Gomez (bass) and the great
Milford Graves (drums).

   and how do they compare to some of his other Sixties work? 

BARRAGE is more outside than most other Bley I've heard -- not
surprising, given the personnel. CLOSER is very similar to other trio
records from the same era (eg the ones on Savoy and Arista). I'd
recommend both. Also THE TURNING POINT with John Gilmore, reissued by
IAI; and of course the beautiful Jimmy Giuffre Trio discs with Bley
and Swallow, reissued earlier this year on ECM.

rs
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Charles Mingus
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:05:19 GMT

In addition to the musicians Sandeep lists, Priestley's discography
indicates taht the following also took part 'on one or more of these
sessions':

Jimmy Nottingham: trumpet
Jerry Dodgion: alto
Ran Carter, Richard Davis, Milt Hinton, 'two others': bass

Sy Johnson arranged Shoes, Hurricane Sue, and Don't be afraid
Jaki Byard arranged Adagio ma non troppo


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From: sylve_ge@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Gerald Sylvester)
Subject: Re: Letterman
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:48:55 GMT

In article <9209141209.AA02431@wavetracer.com> gwl%wave3_1@concert.net writes:
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:42 EDT, wave3_3!BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU!RARDIN said:
>  Lynn> Whoever announced Pat's appearance on David Letterman, thank you!
>  Lynn> Seeing him jam with Paul's band was a treat!  Too bad we didn't get
>  Lynn> to see more of him and too bad David didn't take the time to
>  Lynn> interview him.
>
>Y'er welcome.  As for Letterman, I think it's obvious the guy has no
>interest in music whatsoever, though someone in his organization is
>pretty hip as to who to invite on the show.  But the musical guest is
>always last and only gets one brief moment, always accompanied and
>upstaged by the world's most selfserving band.

Letterman has an interest in music but I think it is very limited.
For most groups/people, he acts as though they are just guests.  Some
acts, like Tower of Power, he goes nuts over.  As far as the musical guest
being on last and always playing with Paul Schaffer's band, I don't
think that is so much up to Letterman or probably even Paul.  That is
probably determined by his writers.

NOTE: This isn't the correct newsgroup for this discussion.  I don't
remember the name of the new LETTERMAN newsgroup otherwise I would
"Follow-up" there

Gerald Sylvester
From: millsad@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Alan Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Hard Bop
Keywords: Hard Bop Blakey Messengers
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: millsad@prl.philips.co.uk
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK

The archetypal 'Hard Bop' Group must surely be Art Blakey's Jazz
Messengers.  Indeed, I have an album by them called 'Hard Bop', recorded
by the Group when it consisted of Jackie McLean on alto, Bill Hardman on
trumpet, Spanky de Brest on bass and Sam Dockery on piano.  The sleeve
notes by Nat Hentoff refer to the term 'hard bop' having been originated
by the critic John Mehegan in an article in the New York Herald Tribune.
Hentoff quotes from this article "...its direct continuation...of the
early modern jazz language first self-discovered and deepened by the
late Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, BUd Powell, Kenny Clarke and
others.  The softer,cooler developments of modern jazz ... seem to have
affected the hard boppers relatively little. ... Improvisation remains
the essential concern of the hard boppers. ... Another aspect of much
hard bop playing is that ballads are apt to be treated by these
musicians with a goodly amount of the same muscular, full emotions-ahead
attack as is their original material.... The kind of rich, breathy and
unabashedly enveloping ballad playing that characterises a swing era
master like Ben Webster is largely alien to the hard boppers, nor are
the hard men particularly attuned to the introspective, finely
sensitizes lyricism of a Miles Davis...

That seems to sum up what I understand as the term.  The sleeve note
goes on to include Kenny Dorham and the Jazz Prophets, the Max Roach
Quintet and the Adderley Brothers as other examples.

Alan Mills (millsad@prl.philips.co.uk)
Philips Research Laboratories
Cross Oak Lane, Redhill, Surrey, RH1 5HA, U.K (tel: +44 293 785544)
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From: Paco Ojeda <Paco_Ojeda_Gonzalez@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Dianne Reeves at the Blue Note!
Date: 8 Sep 1992 13:33:44 GMT
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X-XXDate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:41:24 GMT

In case there are other followers of the incredible Dianne Reeves out
there, she will be performing in NY at the Blue Note from Tuesday,
October 27 to Sunday, November 1st. Two shows per evening, 9:00 p.m. and
11:30 p.m. 
The number at the Blue Note (in case you wish to make reservations for
the shows) is 212-475-8592.

Enjoy!

Paco

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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Bobby McFerrin
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:04:03 GMT

In article <malcolm.716571740@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>Any opinions on the collaboration between McFerrin and Cellist Yo Yo Ma? I 
>saw a brief tv segment of these guys together and it was very strange. I'm 
>curious what the release is like.
>
> - Malcolm

Hehe, there is a discussion in allmusic about that very thing.
My opinion is that I like the Vocalise (Rachmoninoff) and the Air
(Bach), and most of Bobby's original tunes work, but the rest is, to be
polite, tiresome.  I know these two classical pieces very well, having
performed them before, so that might be why I like them.

Jeff
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From: acp@owlnet.rice.edu (Adrian C Penisson)
Subject: Snooks Eaglin and "Alberta"
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:22:50 GMT

I picked up Eric Clapton's "Unplugged" the other day.  One of the featured
songs is "Alberta."  I "grew" up on the version of this song which appears on
Snooks Eaglin's "That's All Right Mama" (can't remember lable, late 50's
recording).  E.C.'s version is enjoyable, but it just can't live up to Snooks'
version.  Snooks' acoustic work is just incredible (it's a shame he doesn't
record acoustic stuff anymore).   Does anyone out there on the net know whether
"That's All Right Mama" is available on CD or if it is featured on some
compilation CD?  I have the Arhoole anthology "Country Boy in New Orleans"
which features about five tracks from "That's All Right Mama" (and some other
work form his acoustic period), but it does not feature "Alberta."  Any help
in this matter would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks in advance, 
Adrian C. Penisson
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From: ouij@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Re: Dregs Reunion Tour
Organization: Dept Of Mathematics and Statistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 20:41:10 GMT

In article <2061@deadmin.ucsd.edu> napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier) writes:
>
>I saw Steve Morse in San Diego on Monday night and he mentioned that the
>Dregs would be getting together and touring this fall. No dates have been
>set yet but he said they'd definitely be on the road by November. 

The Dixie Dregs kick off their fall tour in a couple hours in South
Carolina tonight. On September 7th, they head line the Montreux
Atlanta music fest (in atlanta) in front of 30 000 folks.

Allan sloan was not able to get time off work thus
substituting for him is Jerry Goodman of Mahavishnu fame.

They will hit the west coast after November 1st and before
American Thanksgiving (14th??) [the last day of the tour].

I will post another article shortly containing the full
dregs itenerary very shortly.
>
>-- 
>Jim Napier
>Systems Administration

Ouij
Church Of Surfing Anarchist

-- 
				ouij@math.mcgill.ca
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From: grumpy@jpradley.jpr.com (Jeff Markel)
Subject: Re: Ufo Tofu -- Bela Fleck & The Flecktones
Reply-To: grumpy@jpradley.UUCP (Jeff Markel)
Organization: Unix in NYC
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 12:28:28 GMT

In article <RPRASAD.92Sep1131843@the-taj.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Rajiv.Prasad@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Rajiv Prasad) writes:
>
>A review of Ufo Tofu would be really neat. How does it compare with Flight of
>the Cosmic Hippo? Unfortunately, Ufo Tofu won't be released in New Zealand --
>the market for The Flecktones is very small. I've ordered it from the States 
>and it should be here in about a week and a half. 
>
>One of kiddies programs reviewed Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael whilst playing
>The Sinister Minister in the background. Either Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael
>has an amazing soundtrack or the producers of What Now! have great taste in 
>music. What Now! features Ren&Stimpy -- the only reason to watch it:)
>
>Rajiv.

Rajiv - when I first played UFO TOFU I didn't like it nearly as much as
Hippo, but on further listening I am finding that I like it more and more, to
where it (at least for now) surpasses Hippo.  UFO TOFU is very funk flavored;
Vic Wooten really lets loose on this one; there's even one of his tunes
"Sex in a Pan" which is dedicated to James Brown.  There's also a very nice
brazilian-flavored tune by Howard Levy called "Saresta" which I think is quite
lovely.  There is also a Branford Marsalis inspired tune ("Life Without Elvis")
which is kind of goofy but fun.  The only tune that doesn't really work is
"The Yee-Haw Factor", which is presented as a tribute to New Grass Revival but
comes off as a bit too much of a mishmash.

The playing on this disc is phenomenal - the combination of Bela's banjos and
Vic Wooten's basses is awe-inspiring - it makes my fingers cramp up just
listening :-).


                        Jeff Markel

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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: train song tape finished
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:48:40 GMT

In article <CB.92Sep8165739@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>Deryk Barker writes:

>   Did nobody mention "Last train to Clarksville" by the Monkees? (A
>   place, apaarently, where there never *was* a railway station)

>There are several Clarksvilles: Iowa, Missouri, Texas, Virginia and
>Tennessee.  Surely some of them had stations in the heyday of trains?

There's one right here in New Jersey.  Or, at least, there was until
they built Quaker Bridge Mall on top of it.  The rail goes by, but 
doesn't stop.

Roger
From: gary@gdfwc3 (Gary Bud Melton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Hal Russell 1926-1992
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:17:16 GMT
Reply-To: gdfwc3!gary@central.sun.com
Organization: General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division

In article <1992Sep7.194029.18019@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:

   Hal Russell, one of Chicago's prominent avant-garde jazz musicians, died
   last Saturday (9/5) of a heart attack.  He had just started to get
   international recognition, was touring a lot of European festivals, and
   has a record out on ECM with his NRG ensemble.  His last major project,
   ironically called THE HAL RUSSELL STORY, was performed in Chicago and
   across the many summer jazz festivals in Europe.  It was also recorded
   in Switzerland, and ECM plans on releasing it next year.

Bummer.

I picked up a Hal Russell disc, CONSERVING NRG (on Principally Jazz
Productions), back in 1985.  I don't remember why I bought it.  I had
never heard of him then, and I've heard little of him since.  It was,
however, a very good session.  He seemed to be an extremely versatile
musician.  On this recording he plays drums, vibes, cornet, and tenor
sax - all very well.  The tunes with vibes (and one of his sidemen
also played vibes) reminded me of OUT TO LUNCH, but I wouldn't call it
derivative.  I also agree that he had a great sense of humor.  I
remember that the liner notes said that he started with percussion,
but majored in cornet in school because percussion wasn't offered.
Apparently, relatively late in life he picked up the tenor.  I recall
his being heavily influenced by Albert Ayler.

I was also impressed with the playing and composition skills of his
sidemen.  I cannot recall their names, but I seem to recall from the
liner notes that some of them had been playing with him for a long
time - 15 years or more, at the time.  Were they still with him?

For the past year or so, I have been carrying around a note that I
copied down but never acted on.  This post got me to dig it out of my
wallet.  It concerns a review I read in WIRE of a Hal Russell
cassette, HAL ON EARTH.  I have never sent for information, and I
don't know if it's still available, but the reviewer raved about it.
Here's the address I have, if anyone is interested.

	Hal Russell Music
	1815 Sterling Ct.
	St. Charles, IL  60174

I would be interested in information about his other recordings,
including the ECM recording mentioned in the original post.

Later,

Bud

gdfwc3!gary@central.sun.com
texsun!gdfwc3!gary
From: milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Re: Joe Henderson trio
Date: 15 Sep 1992 23:40:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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>
>And will somebody post the ID of the side men?

The drummer was Al Foster and the bassist was Dave Holland.

As I recall, the first number was "Take the A Train" accompanied
only by the drums, and the next number was "Lush Life" with bass
and drums.  So both were Billy Strayhorn tunes off of Joe's
"Lush Life" album.  If I remember that wrong, I'm sure someone
will correct me.

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