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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: 302 rev. limiter
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 19:57:57 GMT
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In article <0jxrx9-@dixie.com> hotrod@dixie.com writes:
>
> I've had several of the V6s and several of the fours, all solid lifter.
>I checked a couple of the sixes, but I can't recall *ever* having to set
>the valves.  The valvetrain on the V6 was one of the things Ford did
>right - enormous lifter base diameter to allow radical profiles with low
>pressure, tiny pushrods shorter than an MTV attention span, and rockers
>mounted on a steel shaft, just the way God intended.  No screw in studs,
>guide plates, winky rocker balls, or stud gridles necessary, thank you.
>----------
>Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)

I had to fix the valve train of such an engine when a spacer spring
between the rocker arms broke.  Of course the car ran like shit the
5 miles I had to drive to bring it home.  But then, I've since been
told that the way to permanently cure the spacer spring problem was to
make some solid aluminum spacers.  Too bad the car died a sudden death
before I got my hands on a lathe.

eyc
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Subject: Re: Solid Lifters?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:23:25 GMT
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Dave Williams on The Hotrod List (hotrod@dixie.com) wrote:
: 
[...]
: 
:  *Real* roller cams are all solid - nobody grinds anything good for the
: usual OEM hydraulic goobers.
:                                                         
: 
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: Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)

So Dave, are you saying that the Chevy hydraulic rollers and the folks that
make replacement parts, are not grinding anything worth looking at??

What do you think about the Crane, Comp, etc people that make a roller
hydraulic setup/retrofit??  Do they have any decent grinds?

DER

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Posted by: emory!marble.UUCP!donr (Don Robinson)
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Subject: building your own intake....
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:37:20 GMT
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>>>-> g'day Dave,
>>>-> [Still having fun casting?? :-)]
>>>
>>> It's been too cold and rainy lately.  I'm debating whether to cast up
>>>a Hilborn-style injector intake for the 351.  It's right at the outer
>>>limit of my present capabilities, but no pain, no gain, right?  <grin>

Wouldn't it be much easier to use existing stuff from a parts store?

I noticed that the *hot* set-up for fuel injection on top alcohol dragsters
has been to take your favorite dual-quad tunnel ram, tap the injectors into 
it above the 'head, and use one of those "bug-catcher" things on top for air 
metering.

They are competing against the BLOWN cars with the set-up, and it seems to 
work well. (not that you are going to compete in T/D, mind you, but it *MUST*
make pretty decent power on any hi-po motor, even a *FORD*)

Sure would make your life easier than "building your own intake...

-dan a.
dhoward@sw.stratus.com

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Posted by: Dan Howard <emory!cam2.sw.stratus.com!dhoward>
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Subject: Re: rod side clearance
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 04:20:24 GMT
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> 
>  The object of all this was to come up with a set of 6" steel rods for
> under $125, so that's a little outside the budget.
> 
>  I've been doing some more research, and have found articles by people
> who claim to be running up to .035 side clearance.  Since I'll be at
> .025, which quite a few claim to run, I'm willing to give it a shot.
> ----------
> Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)

	Dave, could you email me knitty gritty specifics on this rod thing.
	I've seen people advertise rotating assy kits using these rods, but
	after they polish and grind and shot peen, they want about 
	$600 just for rods. I'd go the Olds route but what engine for cores.
	
	Thanks...


Derek J. Pietro                      | Thats sloride...
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Posted by: emory!gvls1.VFL.Paramax.COM!sloride!derekp (Derek Pietro)
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Subject: Re: 305 torque
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 23:43:50 GMT
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> Maybe in your area
> machining labor is cheap, but in Massachusetts its not. Especially if you want
> it done right.

For those in the MA area who want some machining done right, send me e-mail.


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Posted by: emory!wal.hp.com!lupienj (John Lupien)
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Subject: Re: Chevy 194
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:47:33 GMT
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> ...
> -> Don't do that! Just deck it out fifties style: Fenton headers,
> -> Offenhauser manifold with 3 deuces, finned aluminum everything else.
> 
>  Yeah, but the 194 was the first "new generation" six, introduced in
> 1962.  Hard to be real fifties with that.  You're probably thinking of
> the 216 and 235, which hauled around millions of old Stovebolt Chevies
> and their hifalutin' Corvette cousins.  Remember, the first year
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> Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
> 
Yup. My brain went on vacation two days before I did!  

BTW, Geof Evans, one of our Australian correspondents, is in the USA on
vacation.  He is coming to Pennsylvania today and will stop by for dinner.
His tour plan is to go south from here to Florida, then west across the
southern tier states to California.  I'll give him your regards.

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Posted by: Dave Tartaglia <emory!immacc.prepnet.com!indy>
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Subject: Re: 305 torque
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:25:04 GMT
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> I will be sure to let you all know what I learn from the folks at Crane and 
> Comp Cams.  Anyone else I should call?
> 
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> Posted by: emory!marble.UUCP!donr (Don Robinson)

My experience with Comp Cas' tech line (only one time, YMMV) wasn't
too great...  they could quote what they had in their catalog, but
couldn't offer any useful advice on selecting a cam.  Advice wise
my experience with Crower Cams was EXCELLENT.  We probably spent a total
of 3 or 4 hours talking to Dave Crower about the valvetrain for
our application.  I've heard other people have had good experiences
with Lunati, too.  IMHO, you'll have better luck getting advice from
a manufacturer that specializes in custom work rather than a company
concentrates on catalog sales.  Of course, once you determine what
profile fits your application, there's nothing to stop you from buying
a "catalog" cam that fits the profile that you decided on (Might save
you a few bucks). 


-- 
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 67 Camaro/350/4spd (under construction)
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Posted by: emory!gnu.ai.mit.edu!lusky
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Subject: Re: Weird ECM stuff
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:54:14 GMT
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> 
>                           SUBJECT:  Weird ECM stuff
> Well, last night I took one of our real nice HP data/protocol analyzers home
> and hooked up to the ECM in the GN.  I'm now in state of confusion.  I found
> the following things:
> 
> 1.  The baud rate was completely weird ... the scope kept saying it was 527
> baud (error).
Yes, the baud rate on the GM ALDL is toally wierd.  I don't remember
what it was (someone mentioned it in r.a.t a few months ago), but i think
it was a 4 digit number, and I'm sure it was nowhere near a "standard"
number.

I know the Diacom package from RInda Technologies uses the pc's parallel
port to read it.

> -- Ken Mosher
> -- Buick Grand National:  A *BOOST* of Buick Performance
> 
> ----------
> Posted by: "KEN MOSHER" <emory!imd.sterling.com!Ken_Mosher>

-- 
Jon Lusky
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 67 Camaro/350/4spd (under construction)
 89 Jeep Wrangler/258 (currently self destructing)

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Posted by: emory!gnu.ai.mit.edu!lusky
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Subject: engine brakes
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:01:47 GMT
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 > -> >That reminds me that one day I would like to own a water brake to
 > -> test >engines.  I'm afraid to ask the cost...but does anyone know?
 > 
 > (stuff deleted) 
 > 
 > Looks like we're going to have to do it empirically (that's a fancy 
 > scientific word for "I don't have the slightest idea what I'm doing, but 
 > I'll futz with it anyway")   Film at 11.  
 > 
 > [What I call SWAG - Scientific Wild Ass Guess  JGD]
 >
 > (more good stuff deleted)
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 > Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
 >  
 >
 Back in the old days, while this was still the boonies, I experimented
 with some shop-built engine brakes.  ( At the time, I had a foreign car
 shop, so the scale may be a *little* off here).  After some abortive
 attempts at creating a water brake, and some _smelly_ tries with an old
 Peterbuilt 5-disk clutch assembly,  I cobbed on to a large (to me) fluid
 pump.  Had a 2" shaft, 3" inlet, and a 1" outlet. Biggest *I'd* ever seen.
 Anyway, that pump had absolutely no problems handling the 200+ BHP, at 
 least for the short periods that I used it (2 ea. 55 gal. drums for a
 reservoir, max press at outlet: 300 PSI, homemade restrictors). 
 My question: why is this not a more common method (i.e., light oil).
 
 als
 
     
[Are you talking about a positive displacement hydraulic pump or  or
some other kind?  I've built several motorcycle-grade dynos using 
hydraulic pumps and there used to be a company (Pabco or something like
that) that made one commercially.  This works really well.  I've not
extrapolated up to automotive HP levels to see what would be involved.
I imagine a couple of those huge pumps like used on garbage pumps
would absorb 500 hp or so.  JGD]

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Posted by: emory!hounix.org!als (Alan Squyres)
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Subject: Chevy parts mix and match (Was: Ford vs Chevy bashing)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 09:50:13 GMT
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Dave Williams on The Hotrod List (hotrod@dixie.com) wrote:
: 
[...]
: under repair (needed welding on frozen water jacket - purchase price
: $100, with 3000 miles on it).  Then came a 262 short block, which I
: swapped a set of lifters for.  Then a 307 long block for $40.  I'm
: planning on boring the 262 to take 305 pistons and running 6 inch rods,
: and either it or the 350 will go in the '60 Chev.  The 307... heck, it
: was cheap.  The crank is bad, but I can swap in a 350 crank and use 230
: six cylinder pistons to make a 329.  Why?  Well, heck, PAW will sell me
: a 350 crank for the same price as a 327, and the pistons are the same
: price, so why not?
: 
[...]

This portion of Dave's post got me thinking...  I have a 305 that I would
like to build with one goal in mind.   *TORQUE* and lots of it.  I need to
keep the displacement down as much as possible to keep the engine fuel
stingy.  The operating range would be from idle to about 4000 rpm tops.
Any of you folks have any suggestions on what standard replacement parts
would give me a combo that fills the bill?  The 329 that Dave mentions
above sure sounds slick.

Thanks,

DER

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Posted by: emory!dolphin.UUCP!donr (Don Robinson)
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Subject: Re: 215 cid Olds V8 question
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-> Since this and other motors are aluminum, do standard engine
-> enamels hold up well?

 CRETIN!  GEEK!  YOUR FATHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR MOTHER SMELLED OF
ELDERBERRIES....    <snort, grumble, outrage>

 Given posession of an all-aluminum V8, the only reasonable course is to
lovingly polish it to a mirror finish, then spray with clear
polyurethane.  <grrr....>
                                                                   

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: JBA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:20:31 GMT
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For all you Ford fans, the address of JBA is changing even as I type
this.  They were on Aero Drive in San Diego but they are moving to:

	JBA
	7149 Mission Gorge Road
	San Diego, CA  92120

I expect them to be back in business in a couple of days.  They are
moving into a much larger facility that is just a couple of miles
east of where they were.  I suspect that the move reflects continued
success and expansion of their business.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net


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Posted by: emory!UCSD.EDU!btree!hale (Bob Hale)
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Subject: Re: 302 rev. limiter
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 00:43:31 GMT
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-> Speaking of secondary regulators, does anybody use alternate oil
-> pressure regulation schemes instead of the source bypass valve right
-> by the pump? Really, at high oil demands the source bypass scheme has
-> little relation to the pressures at remote locations.

 Y'know, Crower claims a small Chevy can have as 80psi at one end of the
crank and as little as 10 at the other, but I never thought about moving
the regulator.

 Hmm... in a Windsor Ford or small Chevy, a logical place would be the
main oil gallery, about 2/3 of the way to the far end of the block.  You
could drill and tap into the gallery up inside the lifter valley, then
mount the popoff valve in there where there's plenty of room.  The Ford
also has the option of tapping the back of the gallery at the back of
the block and putting in an angle fitting, running to an external popoff
valve.  (the Chevy's oil pump is at the other end, so that trick
wouldn't work)

 There are a couple of possible gotchas, though a careful eye on an oil
pressure guage directly after the pump would prevent trouble:

        1)  the oil filter might see a lot more pressure than the maker
            bargained for, with predicatable results
        2)  if the pump's back pressure gets very high, the load on the
            distributor drive gears and timing chain goes up
 

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Re:  Casting Numbers
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:59:27 GMT
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>Speaking of casting numbers, does anyone know of a good reference to look
>up casting numbers with?
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>Posted by: emory!gte.com!stm0 (Steven McClure)

For what?  Don't know about Chevy or Ford, but there's a reasonably good
Mopar "Interchange" book Galen Govier sells for $15.  Pretty good coverage
on 64-74 performance stuff, hit and miss on non-performance stuff.  Covers
part numbers and casting numbers where applicable for all sorts of stuff -
blocks, heads, cranks, I and E manifolds, wheels, other things I don't recall.

David Wright - 65 Plymouth Belvedere II 4-door 273
	       74 Dodge Challenger Rallye 360

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Posted by: David Wright <emory!tog-34.hac.com!dwrig>
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Subject: 351C trivia...
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Throwing in my 2 cents:

First, anyone who can't get a 351C to rev to more than 6,000 rpm has either:
1) weak valve springs - causing valve float.

2) A very mild cam.

3) Any of a host of ignition/timing problems.

4) Windsor heads :)

Even the 2V heads have intake/exhaust ports that should let the engine rev
to 7,000 (it'll probably peak at 5,000 - 5,500, though, in terms of max. H.P.)

"Wimpy" castings - nominal spec. for the cylinder walls is somewhere around
0.1" or more - hardly "sheetmetal".  My Ford references do say that max.
overbore for race applications is 0.020".  Try finding 0.020" oversized
forged pistons, though...

302 revving - better make sure you've got the good rods (3/8" rod bolts,
*not* 5/16ths.)

302 wimp motors?  Drop by a dragstrip some day.  Look at where the 5.0 L
LX's/GT's are running.  I've seen times in the mid to high 12's, with end
of quarter mile speeds of 104+ mph.  These are cars that *aren't* running
nitrous.  One guy that's out at Norwalk (Ohio) regularly runs 12.60's, and
most of the money he's spent went into his slicks!  (Spent a few pennies on
a hot cam, '69 4V Windsor heads, and a 4.11 gear set, but I don't think it
totaled more than $400, though.  He seems to be good at finding deals...)

Where do those 5.0 L HO's come from, anyway.  A lot of them come from the
Cleveland engine plant.  I think the balance come from Windsor.  Don't know
about Mexico, except that the Festiva comes from there...

While I'm posting, does anyone know if there's an aftermarket 351C intake
available that can be set up for sequential port injection?  I'm in the 
process of building a 351C (need a manifold for the 4V heads) and don't
relish the prospect of buying a tunnelram and drilling injector holes in
it, but if that's what I have to do, well, that's what I'll do...


Mike Jamison

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Subject: RE: 351C trivia...
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-> G'day Dave,
-> [Still having fun casting?? :-)]

 It's been too cold and rainy lately.  I'm debating whether to cast up
a Hilborn-style injector intake for the 351.  It's right at the outer
limit of my present capabilities, but no pain, no gain, right?  <grin>

 If it weren't for the fact that I can't buy aluminum plate around
here, it'd be simpler to fabricate from that.  I can cast it, of course,
which is probably what I'll do - cast the valley cover, then the sides
complete with stubs, then have them welded together.  It would save a
wad of loose sand cores.

 The throttle bodies can be taken care of by fabricating (probably cast
them) a 20mm or so thick spacer, facing and boring it in the lathe, use
an angle plate for boring the throttle shaft holes, and use the cross
slide and a cutter to mill the throttle shafts.  The butterflies would
be done by making a small angled faceplate, then turning down the OD to
get the proper angles to fit them against the throttle bores.  Voila!

 I can use plain old tubing off the stubs, bent up 45 degrees for the
vertical injector look or horizontal crossram look, or I can just leave
them straight.

 The problem, of course, is the injection itself.  For that, I'm
waiting for the great Performance Engineering article, "Turn your
Nintendo and $45 worth of Radio Shack parts into a primo EFI".  <grin>
Until that comes out, I'm just waiting.
                                                                    

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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re:: humvee
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regarding Cummins Diesel in a hummer...

I doubt it -- too heavy and too long and too tall and too much torque

Walt K.
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Posted by: emory!halibut.nosc.mil!koziarz (Walter A. Koziarz)
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