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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:11:32 GMT

rogers@ofc.Columbia.NCR.COM (HL Rogers) writes:
: My seats for Kentucky's visit to South Carolina were among the
: Kentucky boosters, which was good for me; I get pretty wound up
: at these games and didn't want to anger my neighbors...I do have
: to live here.
: 
: Anyway, I asked a Kentucky guy why Pitino wasn't playing Timberlake.  
: Without hesitation, he said, "He's afraid Timberlake will get 
: stepped on." An obvious reference to Laettner's chest stomp.  Then 
: this guy started busting his gut laughing.  I guess they are still
: discussing the chest stomp in Lexington.
: 
: After he calmed down, he said that Pitino hopes Timberlake will
: get the message and leave - he needs Timberlake's scholarship.
: Anybody know more about this?
: -- 

 After Saturday's game I am beginning to think that may be right.
 The reason Timberlake is not part of the rotation is that there
 are too many good players ahead of him.  Timberlake is competing
 for playing time with Mashburn, Dent, Martinez, Riddick, and 
 Prickett at center and PF.  With that many quality players at
 those positions there are simply no minutes in the rotation for
 a "project" like Aminu.  I was quite surprised that Pitino did
 not put him in late in the game on Saturday when UK had a 25-30
 point lead.  That makes me wonder about the relationship 
 between Aminu and Coach Pitino.  UK certainly could use the
 scholarship - they are still recruiting several players and
 the only scholarship they have available is Mashburn's 
 (assuming he leaves).  Even if Pitino is not trying to run
 him off I would think he might leave anyway.  With only
 Mashburn leaving among the froncourt players and McCarty
 joining the team his prospects for playing time look just
 as bleak next year.
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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke/SanFran cheers
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:19:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <j.d.singleton-270193145257@b648mac6.larc.nasa.gov> j.d.singleton@larc.nasa.gov (Jeff Singleton) writes:
>
>
>   At Austin Peay several years ago there was a guard by the name of
> Fly.  Whenever he was free, the crowd would chant:
>
>   The Fly is open, let's go Peay!
>
> Truly a classic!
>

About 5 or 6 years ago, a guy named Alfredrick Hughes played at Loyola-Chicago,
and developed quite a reputation for taking the shot.  I believe he ended up
on the NCAA top 10 all-time scoring list.  Anyway, Sports Illustrated had a
story about him, and they mentioned a fan who held up a sign that said, "Save
Loyola Basketball--Shoot Alfredrick Hughes."  

My all-time favorite sign was a Duke product (naturally).  UVa center Olden
Polynice was brought up on honor charges for copying another student's work
and turning it in as his own.  The whole honor trial process is supposed to
be secret, but somebody leaked it to the Washington Post.  UVa played at
Duke a few weeks later, and a sign was briefly visible:  "UVa/Oldyn Polynice:
Team Xerox."




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Marty Del Vecchio
Software Engineer
Shiva Corporation
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Opinions on Dick Vitale
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:54:38 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Just my $.02 worth...
I think Jim Valvano is, without a doubt, the best college basketball
announcer I have ever heard.  From play by play insights to seasonal
trends he is one of the most knowledgeable people in the sport.  Vitale
is very strong when it comes to new players in the league, and his
enthusiasm is great.  These two are magic together.  If we lose Jimmy V,
it will be one of the darkest days in college hoops.

-Will
From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin: A Question
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:47:59 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1jnjr5INNlu3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> rpandey@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey) writes:
>
> Our local newspaper has the following factoid in the sports section
> today:
>
> "Oregon State's schedule is rated the third toughest in the nation by
> Sagarin, behind Utah State and Temple....."
>
> How is such a thing decided? While I am all for Oregon State looking good,
> toughest schedule would either have to fluctuate from week to week, or be
> decided by performance of opposing teams in their previous season, or
> something similar......

Having not seen anybody else answer, I'll throw out my $0.02.  I am pretty
sure that Sagarin measures schedule strength as an average of the scores of
the teams that you have already played.  Thus, OSU, Utah State, and Temple
will all be headed downward in schedule strength as they play more of their
relatively weak conference schedule.  Meanwhile, the ACC teams and Big Ten
teams (plus Georgetown!!!) should all be increasing...

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Metro (Jan 17)
Date: 20 Jan 93 18:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch) 


P. Tierney writes:
PL>Yes.  Most of these teams, including Louisville, are rebuilding somewhat.  Look
PL>for improvement next year among all Metro teams except UNCC and, maybe, Tulane.
PL>Next year, they'll be back up to an average conferene with three or four
PL>berths, up from the max of two this year.  Remember us next year, fellas.

No one here in Louisville expected a rebuilding year. We all thought
this WAS the year. How wrong we were. Now everyone is saying, wait until
next year, and Jason Osborne, and Dejuan Wheat, etc. Guess there is
ALWAYS a next year. <sigh>

.....Gil

 gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Eastern Conspiracy
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 93Jan26022749@db.TC.Cornell.EDU, toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>How can Duke get beat by unranked FSU and only drop from 6 to 7, while
>other teams drop 3,4 or more spots when they lose to better teams.
>Sounds like some Eastern bonehead media types are still in love with 
>Duke. Well, the honeymoon is over kids, wake up!
>--
>toma@tc.cornell.edu	rory@foopub.tucson.az.us
>You want me to upgrade to System what?
>


FSU was unranked (but receiving votes) in the poll you chose to look at; the AP.
USA Today/CNN (the coaches poll) has kept FSU ranked all along.  Guess they knew
something the AP poll didn't.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Re: Pitt makes Winning a Habit ( re: Panthers victimize BC)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:29:39 GMT

In article <2242@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>SSG McCullough is now being touted as one of the best guards in the USA....
>according to the Pittsburgh Press which also says he is not only the best
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This the same Press that hasn't published in eight months, and won't
ever be publishing again?  Did you just goof, meaning to say the P-G,
or are you really referring to an article written almost a year ago.

Sheesh.  Not even I save articles for more than a few weeks.  And Cal
wins are traditionally rare enough that you like to keep rereading
them.

Try decaff.  You'll get really massive headaches, but it'll be better
for you in the long run.

Is it too early to nominate the MPP (the Mighty Pitt Panthers (tm) for
those of you who haven't stayed tuned) as the UMASS!!!!! of the 92-93
season?

Brian
  - Try Hard Bears!
  - Be Diligent!







Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Subject: Gibson on UNLV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:25:12 GMT

Gibson played 1 year at the U of I, and then sat out
for 2 (Air Force, UNLV).  I thought the rule was you got
5 years for 4 years of playing.  this would mean Gibson
could play next year too.  What would be different about his 
situation?

Scott
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:28:15 CST
From:         Derek Morgan <C31801IE@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: WHAT is a Billican (sp?)?
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.basketball.college

It's "Billiken."  St. Louis University's official mascot and team nickname.
A Billiken is supposed to be a mischevious little demon. As somebody already
noted, it's a strange mascot for a Catholic institution, but then again,
what's a Hoya?

Not all St. Louis schools have funny nicknames, either. It's just that our
Division I school has a funny nickname.

Derek Morgan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: wilder@nx02.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:11:07 GMT

In <1993Jan25.125559.21292@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> rogers@ofc.Columbia.NCR.COM (HL Rogers) writes:

|Anyway, I asked a Kentucky guy why Pitino wasn't playing Timberlake.  
|Without hesitation, he said, "He's afraid Timberlake will get 
|stepped on." An obvious reference to Laettner's chest stomp.  Then 
|this guy started busting his gut laughing.  I guess they are still
|discussing the chest stomp in Lexington.

|After he calmed down, he said that Pitino hopes Timberlake will
|get the message and leave - he needs Timberlake's scholarship.
|Anybody know more about this?

Huh.  I for one find it difficult to believe that, if Rick feels this
way, he wouldn't just *tell* Aminu.  That's the kinda guy Rick is, for
better or worse.

I could ask Aminu, since I'm next to him in Psych, but I'm not sure that
even I could summon up the tactlessness necessary.  I *am* very curious
about this myself, though, so who knows?

For the record, BTW, I'm of the opinion that Aminu is a better player than
Prickett, and that he has some serious potential.  I guess Rick disagrees,
and I suppose I won't rag him about that until I'm in the coaches chair for
a nice mil a year. :-)

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| Wilder  & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck.|
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:16:51 EST
From: Adam Burton Repsher <ABR105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,psu.sports
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
 <93026.125120AER107@psuvm.psu.edu> <exby.728080700@spot.Colorado.EDU>
 <C1HxLw.FGo@cs.psu.edu> <exby.728151241@spot.Colorado.EDU>

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH YEA! Robbie Po -- what's up???

In article <exby.728151241@spot.Colorado.EDU>, exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
sayz:
>
>>jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:
>
>>As far as the "money" issue, it's FREE to students here at Penn State.
>
>i think a wise man once said - "all that is free man not be worthwhile"
>or something like that.

What is up with this???   I read your flame a while ago and didn't quite
understand why you even started this thread...

Yea -- a wise man once said something like that -- do you take the time
as a wise man would and check your quotes???  (and even simple spelling
mistakes...) (sorry -- i had to)

best thing you can do here for free -- if i had to i'd pay for it.
is there anything else that is actually free anymore???

>
>>If I wanted to see dunk after dunk, I'd follow the NBA.  Then again, the team
>>from Colorado, the Denver Nuggets, was about as exciting as watching mold
>>form the last time I knew...
      *my added snickers and laughs*

>
>they arent a playoff team but at least they have players with
>athletic abilities and speed.  you probably havent seen Laphonso
>play this year have you tho?

*snicker* Athletic ability and speed ---
if you would take a few minutes out of your *precious* time to actually
watch a few minutes of a Lady Lions game, you would see more ability and
speed than you ever would in the NBA where they just have their star
players run into the key and either dunk it or make some incredible
off-balance fall away jumper...
they do have skills -- but they are just paid monsters that get the
limelight whenever they want it.  They don't have to work for it...
they get paid to make spectacles of themselves.  it's like a Globetrotter
game....
ick --   i think it's also like Professional Wrestling where they have
scripts to follow -- and you know who is going to win before it even
begins!    IMHO

>
>
>::j
>
>     Bastion of truth and justice
>.....................................
>-=====-                        -=====-
>  -=-   exby@spot.Colorado.EDU   -=-
>   -                              -

Bastion of Truth and Justice ...
and the American Way maybe?
yea -- Money, Money and more Money (exploitation too)
        (sorry -- just got carried away -- to many politics around here lately)

Yes -- the unfeeling Flamer has struck again...

but Remember -- he is just a SPOT at Colorado....


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The fool is made by                | Adam B. Repsher
     only one person...            | Internet: abr105 at psuvm.psu.edu
                                   | Bitnet:   abr105@psuvm
            ...you.     --A.       | You're just wastin' my time!!!!!!
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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Talk is Cheap (MPP is under the hood and doing it!)
Keywords: I'll say that talk is cheap
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:41:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <2488@blue.cis.pitt.edu> wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands) writes:
>Comrades :
>
>	Let's all do something to get this guy's account
>revoked.  He's arrogant, illiterate, and misinformed.  Flood
>his mailbox, threaten him, kidnap family members, throw lawn
>darts at him from a moving vehicle, ANYTHING is better than
>having to read this nonsense.  I will appreciate any
>suggestions.  Any nitwit that says "Miami (noted Big East
>power, by the way) will serve notice to the fact that Pitt
>will find a way to beat you" is as thick as a whale omelet.
>
>						-Bill S.


I absolutely don't appreciate such cowardly threats as you have posted
above. I have absolutely every right to vent my whims (as doe every
body else). Who says that I should have you approve everything I
submit. Who says I should pander to your whims? 
People always argue on the net because of differences in opinion, 
what makes you think I am bereft of this right. I will not stoop to
ridiculously immature level of hurling epithets at people I do not even
know from the safety of an anonymous computer terminal... And you cannot
revoke anyones account either 

>Makela : You could always meet me at the Pitt-Syracuse game Wednesday
>night, if you can read the traffic signs between the
>institution and the Civic Arena....

Where did you get the idea that I could even fear you? Don't say things
you could end up regreting the rest of your life....



makala
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:28:33 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1k21huINN46m@lindy.Stanford.EDU>, lowood@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Henry Lowood) writes:
> >Stokes has been d*mned impressive during conference play this year.  It is
> Hey, if conference play is all it takes, let's put Dion Cross on the first

It should focus on conference play but even if it didn't Stokes looks pretty
good as his recent performance against UNO and his earlier performance
against URI attest. By the way, Ed was just named the Pac-10 player of
the week....



			gln

> >All freshman team:  Kidd, M. Hendrickson, D. Cross (I think he is a frosh), 
> Oh, I see you are way ahead of me.  As for shooting guard, you forgot 
> Cal's Jerod Haase.  He is VERY good and carried the team in a few of the
> early-season games.  What about Barry up at Oregon State?  Or is he really
> their point guard.  He does have the occasional brilliant moment, followed
> usually by an equally creative turnover.  

Geez - excuse me for asking but have any of you guys even heard of any of
Arizona's freshmen this season - you know the guys - the ones who have been
racking up pretty impressive minutes and winning games for the cats who are
in first place and undefeated in conference play? Yeah - those guys.
Clearly, Geary and Blair deserve a spot on the all freshmen team and if
MaClean continues to play well I think he deserves one as well...
I believe it was against ASU that Geary had no turnovers in 27 minutes of
play (quite a feat against the Devils) and Blair is still shooting at
a very hig fg%.


			gln



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Duke loss
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:41:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.184847.5799@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
> Orin (bitter) Day:
> 
> > The team that loses in the final also has to play back to back.
> > 
> > Get the point?  Finally?
> 
> I conceded that point in a message about 3 days ago. Maybe you didn't see
> it, or maybe you are so cranky because you guys lost at home and you need
> to vent some frustration.

Then maybe your following posts should agree with it.

And bitter about a regular season loss?  There's no reason to be
bitter about this one, as Duke was simply outplayed on all levels.

I'm not bitter about anything, including your posts, despite the
fact that people on both sides of the aisle think you're a goof.

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
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Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:42:41 GMT

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:

>In article <C16I5p.D5p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> William L. Myers writes:
>>Henson and Bob got along fine during Lou's early years in the league.
>>Lou says the first 12 times they went head-to-head for recruits, there
>>was no animosity.  (Bob landed all 12).  Lou got #13 (Lowell Hamilton)
>>and Bob cried foul, turning Henson in.  The Big Ten office investigated
>>Knight's complaints and found them groundless.  But their relationship
>>has been strained at times since.  

>I thought the real rivalry started when Knight practically stole Eric
>Anderson from under Henson's haircut.  Could somebody elaborate on what
>the deal was with recruiting Hamilton (where is he these days, anyway)?


After Lowell Hamilton chose Illinois, IN filed a recruiting 
complaint against IL with the B10 office.  They looked into
it but took no action.  Why not?

Early in Lowell's recruitment (Sr. year 84-85) his mom was
unemployed.  She then resumed working at a Chicago area college,
which I think was the UofI-Chicago.

Critics said 'Ah-just look what the UofI did for the Hamiltons!'
Well, the mother was employed there before she was laid-off due
to budget cuts.  Later, she and about 2 dozen other employees 
who had also been laid-off were called back to their old jobs. 
Of course UIC has their own sports program and their own basket-
ball team.  And they have no reason to help Henson. When the
Flames beat the Illini a few years back, everyone at the Chicago
campus, from chancellor to coach was delighted.  They don't
like being looked on as 'the other campus'.  The only common
link to the two campuses is the board of trustees and president.  

IN's complaint was mentioned briefly in a Chicago paper which
someone around Champaign noticed.  This generated repeated 
questions to sports talk shows by fans concerned about the
calls to a local call-in show by fans concered about the 
player's status.  

The entire episode was rehashed a few seasons back after the
NCAA investigation of IL was finished.   

At that time, Henson added that soon after Hamilton signed,
other coaches told him that Knight was still hot.  Over a
period of years, several coaches told Henson that Knight 
asked them, in effect-  Why are you still friends with Henson?
Don't you know he cheats?  and Why do you shake hands with
that #$*!?  

Henson feels that Knight's behind-the-back 'stories' and 
negative recruiting from many quarters helped ruin UI's and 
his credibility before the NCAA Infractions Committee at 
the worst possible time.  Of course, football coach Mike
White's well deserved probations played a large role 
in that.   


posted for John Althauser
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