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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Book on ST fiction
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Sep28.002700.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> adelpha@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>I'm looking to interview pro and fanzine-published fan writers of ST
>fiction for a book I'm writing on the subject of Star Trek fiction.
>I'm looking for pro writers from both the Bantam and Pocket lines.
>Any interested writers or those who know where I could locate
>interested writers, please contact me.

I can't wait to see your section on K/S. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
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From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:47:53 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

Its interesting that Peter says that the episodes have to be written
to 'fit the commercial breaks in', here in England we don't have any
breaks at all of course, so its really quite amusing to see a 'vertual
break' in the episode - the question is does that make the episode
have less suspense for us? Bearing in mind that the authors write the
episode to have these breaks in?  Just a thought anyway.

Mark
From: ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and Pinocchio (some musings).
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:22:51 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Sep25.151803.19188@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, haney@ucsu.Colorado.ED
> |> 
> |> Somebody quoted Brent Spiner as saying 'he would be without a head for 
> |> next season'. Is he written off? Do we get a new actor with a new face?
> |> 
> |> Did anyone else remember this quote?
> 
> Sounds like a joke to me.
> 
> Rob

  Yes, it was a joke, told by Brent Spiner at the Trekfest on Sept. 19!
Brent also answered a child's question, "How do you detach your head?" 
by saying that his ability to do that was one of the reasons he got the 
part! ;}  (Don't worry, he told the child not to try it at home... :)

  Stay Safe!

          Yours in Time and Space,

             Ekho (Killer Queen, Dynamite with a Laser Beam)
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Does Paramount read the net?  You bet, and here's evidence....
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current, Paramount Pictures
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:17:47 GMT

Yes, this week in "Realm of Fear" we learn that Paramount does read our
little postings.  
Suppose I better put a spoiler in here.




Clear?  One more.


Yes, here's how we know.

As several have pointed out, O'Brien now has one hollow pup in accordance
with Paramount's refusal to recognize its own continuity for the sake of
a rewrite that occurred sometime in Season 3 or 4 on this transporter
chief.  
You don't suppose that massive flame war waged over this topic here on
this net last May and June has *ANYTHING* to do with this?

and here's one less convincing, but still curious.
I recall when we first got the Paramount Press Release of the cast and
crew of "Realm" they conveniently forgot to release the cast details.
Why did they do this?  To avoid spoiling the ending to those of us on
the net who would start wondering why we haven't seen another crewmemberr
with a speaking part yet when we get down to the end of the episode.
(when we know there should be one from the credits they released)
Maybe this is a little convoluted and perhaps no one really counts
cast members, but I imagine they really wanted to make this surprise
work for everyone, net included, so they took this precaution.
Emphasis on the word imagine.  Does anyone else think this was suspicious
or am I just suffering from Transporter Psychosis?

Steve/Iain
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Data and contractions
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:55:57 GMT
Organization: I don't THINK so.
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I don't remember anyone specifically saying that Data was incapable of
pronouncing contractions, just that he doesn't (can't?) (normally?) use
contractions.

Maybe (this is a suggestion)...  Data is programmed with his rules of
grammar and vocabulary for speech.  These rules do not take contractions
into account.  Thus, when he needs to say (for example), he did not do
something, his interaction with his speech subroutines tell him to say,
"I did not do this."  "I didn't do this" would be equivalent to us, but
that's not how is programming is set up, so that's not what comes out.

This is not the same as saying he has a specific block against
contractions.  They simply aren't in his original instruction.  He can
learn them, just like he can learn any new word, phrase, name, etc., but
he won't normally use a word such as "don't" since his mechanically
structured programming already has "did not" in place for that event, and
it takes a conscious descision on his part to override that, i.e. to
replace "did not" with "don't".  He might make the attention/effort to do
this if playing a role or imitating someone else's speech patterns, but
in general, why bother?  So, in general, Data doesn't-- er, does not use
contractions.

(Lore and Lal, for comparison, may not have had their programmings quite
so rigidly structured, thus allowing for emotion, irrationality, and free
unconscious substitution of new contractions such as "don't" in place of
programmed phrases like "did not".)

When he is repeating someone else's words, this doesn't apply at all,
as he is not forming the words from his own speech or programming, he
is simply repeating what someone else said (which Data can probably do
without understanding what was said at all).

A theory.  Comments?

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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: My $0.02 about "Time's Arrow II"
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:31:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <BvAoEE.158@iat.holonet.net>, guest@iat.holonet.net (HoloNet Guest Services) writes:
> 
> Dude - shut up!  Don't you have anything better to do than analyze an
> episode to death?  Who cares about Cholera, or electrochemical energy,
> etc., etc., blah, blah, blah.  It's a TV show, plain and simple - get a life.

Obligatory flame response:

What's the deal, dude? What the h*ll do you care if people want to analyze
an episode of a TV show to "death"? It's a harmless pursuit that hurts
no one and maybe amuses some people. So get the burr out of your ass
and get a life yourself!

 
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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Originator: rhballan@c00506-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:34:11 GMT



|> Tim> (Another had to be Geordi's crack about Reg looking pale,
|> Tim> however.  Er...Geordi, pardon me for asking, but isn't it a *wee*
|> Tim> bit difficult for you to tell?)
|> 
|> This happens so much with Geordi that I've come to suspect that they
|> are doing it on purpose.  Geordi is always saying "I see." or "See you
|> later." or "It looks like..." or else someone is saying these things
|> to him.  I know that's just standard usage, so much so that we usually
|> don't notice it, but since I noticed it the first few times it seems
|> like it happens a lot.
|> 
|> Not exactly what you meant, I know, but I wanted to put my $.02.  :-)
|> --
|> 
|> --
|> Jim Winters	jimbo@ssd.csd.harris.com
|> ]O	See through science part of a backdoor.  A door made up of doors...
|> 

Remember the episode where Data was on trial to determine if
he was a life force.  A conversation between Data and Picard
revealed that Geordi's vision is highly superior to a normal
human's vision.  I would then assume that he could tell if
someone is pale just as he can differentiate between the colors
on them damn computer control panels.  :-]  

Rob 
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: time's arrow part ii
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:39:40 EST

>Let me say this first, it was a smashing episode!  It was very
>intelligently done, and as usual we have a number of things to discuss.
>First, Data thoroughly examined the head in Part I, and you're telling me
>he didn't even notice an iron filing?  Also, how did Picard "program" Data
>with his message when Data was off?  That would be neat if I could program
>my computer while it was off, but it just doesn't work.  I am also
>bothered by the things you mentioned; although, I believe the part about
>reusing the head.  Data said in Part I that there was a .05 decomposition
>(or something like that) in the metal, but not that there was any real
>problem or damage.  There was some dirt in the face, but that's about it.

Ever seen the Back to the Future movies?  I had the distinct feeling
that the iron filing wasn't there before, but the second Picard put it
in there in the 19th century then it appeared in the 24th.  Just like
when Marty looks at the picture of his grave and sees his name go blank,
and it turns into the other guy's name because he's changed the
past/present/future.  Make sense?


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Sick and Tired of TA II! ** ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS, THANK GOD! **
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) 

Keywords: enough of spoilers

uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler) says:
|        AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!  Every time I check this subgroup I have
|to page through a hundred posts about Time's Arrow II!  It gets
|monotonous.  Enough, already!  The next episode should have been transmitted
|by now, let's see spoilers about THAT one!

|        I mean, I haven't seen TA II yet.  Why should I, with all these damn
|spoilers?

|        If you want to flame me, go ahead, I just won't read your mail.

This is rec.arts.startrek.CURRENT.  Every week the new episode is debated
and tossed around, in the trash, etc.  Most of the country won't SEE
the next episode til this weekend, so they aren't posting.

If you don't like it, unsubscribe, or get a kill file.

 * SLMR 2.1a *  I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
From: jeffski@behave ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II *SPOILERS*
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:48:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. College of Natural Resources
NNTP-Posting-Host: behave.berkeley.edu

In article <BvBDEv.44C@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.175321.14453@gvl.unisys.com> rossi@gvlf9-q.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi) writes:
>>In article <69200@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>>>In article <Bv61Er.64z@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep21.221539.5342@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>>>>>*SPOILERS* for Time's Arrow Part II

>>>>Yes, and how the Away Team got their 19th Century clothing so fast (did
>>>>they jump into a store, by chance?
>>>
>>>That WAS fast wasn't it?  ...
>>
>>FAST??   They had all summer to change :-)
>>
>So if they had all summer, how come Troi was the only one to develop a tan? :-)
>
Because they were in San Francisco! It's always a hoot and a half to see
the tourists walking around in The City during the summer, which is the
coldest time of the year here. 

(It was Mark Twain [oh my god a crossover] who said "the coldest winter
I ever felt was the summer I spent in San Francisco)

Obviously her sensitive Betazoid tanning
cells were the only ones able to respond to the meager amounts of UV
radiation coming through the fog and clouds.

________
Jeffski.
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Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release -
From: hef@vitro.com
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:32:55 -0500
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Nntp-Posting-User: eswgmh

In article <2462.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, michael.davidson@the-matrix.com (Michael Davidson) writes:
> 
> The other day I saw an episode in syndication directed by Jonathan
> Frakes. I don't remember the episode, but for those of you who have
> lists, how many episodes has he directed and which ones? How about
> other cast members? Have they directed any episodes? Thanks in advance.
> 
> Michael
> michael.davidson@the_matrix.com

Followups to rec.arts.startrek.misc, please!

    Frakes directed the third season episode "The Offspring", the fourth
season episodes "Reunion" and "The Drumhead", and the fifth season
episode "Cause and Effect".
    Patrick Stewart is the only other member of the TNG cast to direct
an episode (so far).  He directed the fourth season episode "In Theory"
and the fifth season episode "Hero Worship".

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From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: S.O.S. signal (Really!  I mean it!)
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:52:33 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.164850.15170@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>     [...stuff deleted]
>
>> Few things annoy me more than the phrase "but time travel is NOT possible,
>> so this whole thing is irrelevant", this is like the phrase "travel faster
>> than the speed of sound is impossible", or other similiar naive comments.
>> I don't mean to flame anyone here, but no-one has the authority to say
>> "it's not possible" about ANYTHING, we just don't KNOW!  For all we know
>> Einstein could be completely wrong about relativity (after all it IS only
>> a POSTULATE) he could be close in the sense that Newtonian physics is close,
>> but not correct.
>> 
>> and if anyone even thinks about mentioning a paradox to do with travel
>> back in time I won't answer for the consequences.......
>> 
>It doesn't matter how annoyed you get. You obviously do NOT
>understand the principles involved. For example, you equate "FTL
>travel is impossible" with "Time travel backward is impossible."
>When we say that FTL travel is not possible, we are speaking in
>terms of our present knowledge of the laws of the physical
>universe. It is entirely possible that as our knowledge increases
>we will be able to achieve FTL travel by utilizing technology
>based on a new understanding of physics.
>
>New technology based on new scientific discoveries may well
>enable us to achieve FTL travel. If that happens, there's no
>reason to believe that causality becomes subject to violation.
>Not so with backward time travel.
>
>When it comes to backward time travel, it doesn't matter how much
>our knowledge of science increases and how much more adept at
>technology we become. When you say that time travel is possible,
>you're saying that you do not recognize the validity and efficacy
>of causality. You simply cannot just dismiss causality. Nor can
>you dismiss willy-nilly the concerns about "paradox." Such are
>the characteristics of shallow thinkers and uninformed minds.
>
>    P A R A D O X   P A R A D O X   P A R A D O X   P A R A D O X
>
>There!  Consider it mentioned!
>
>    best,
>     ...terry

Hmmmmm, the phrase "shallow thinkers and uniformed minds" has a
slightly supercilious feel to it.  Maybe thats just me.

Anyway, how do you KNOW that causality is true?  You appear to be on
the one hand arguing that we may be wrong about FTL travel etc because
our physics isn't up to it and then you state that because of
causality we can't time travel - you can't have it both ways - either
we are potentially wrong in everything or we are wrong about nothing!

Not that I mean to argue or anything..........(who am I kidding?)

Mark
From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: O'Brien's Rank in "Ream of Fear"
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:42:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for Space Research Imaging Lab, University of Texas at Austin

In "Ream of Fear,"  Barclay gives O'Brien a *DIRECT ORDER*.  I thought... 
wait a second!!!  Barclay's a Lt. JG while O'Brien is a full Lieutenant.  
Upon closer examination, I saw only one hollow pip on O'Brien's collor!!!!
That's even below ensign!!!  Did he get demoted?  Wasn't O'Brien a Lt.
last season?

-- 
Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
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Subject: --< Realm of Fear >-- *SPOILERS*
From: mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (michael neylon)
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:26:02 EST

(psstt..this is where you hit 'n' if you havent seen RoF yet...)


This was a suprisingly good episode.  It did not have any of the characteristics
that were present in most of the 5th season shows (ie plot wrap up in 5 min,
from end, 'hollow' characters, etc..)  It also was much better than TA(II),
in the fact that this episode actually wrapped up most loose ends, and left
little to be guessed at by the viewer.

This is Classic Trek.  Not that the show was similar to first or seasone 
season shows, but that it COULD have been from TOS.  Crewmember X has a 
problem, which s/he overcomes and uses his/her abilities to help solve
the mystery.  The mystery is introduced early, and clues are left to help
solve that, and it is clearly and easily wrapped up by the end of the show.
However, there were no phaser or fist fights, but I think the SFX made up for
this.  And of course, there was humor intermixed among the plot, making it
this easy to watch.  I dont think there has been as good as a TNG episode
in mixing several types of entertainment than this show.

The actor who plays Brocoli..err...Barkley is doing a wonderful job with
the character.  In the previous episodes, we see Barkley as a somewhat timid, 
and *maybe* slightly slow-thinking character.  In RoF, he adds another
side of him, as a person with acute paranoia, and all traits are mixed in 
quite well.  I would love to see more of this, as long as he is given a 
good part.

WOW, but were the SFX GOOD!  I Love that transporter effect, a white, static-
like field, with a faint image of departing and arriving sites!  The
hint of the snake -like thing slithering in front of you, then approaching
you.  The explosion in the Engineering containment field.  Sure, they
were few and far between, but they were worth waiting for.

O'Brien had a good part in this one as well, as the 'failing' father figure.
I love how he tries to explain how he overcame his fear of spiders as he
is about to transport Barkley.  And then the end was quite well done (and
unfortunately, predicatable, but who cares...)

I didnt like the fact that the plot just seemed a tad slow or sluggish
at parts.  However, I am not a person for morals, so I usually will precive
this from moralistic plots.

This episode offers further proof that teh Big-E computer system is not 
perfect ;).  When Barkley is 'meditating', he asks for more birds from the
beach simulation, and the computer promply turns up the seagulls to an
annoying volume....what I wouldnt do without a bit of AI in the system...


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From: "paul shannon" <paul.shannon@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: _war drums_ confirms
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:46:21 EST
Reply-To: "paul shannon" <paul.shannon@execnet.com>
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>jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:
>
>[...]
>>   Now we learn that there is are upcoming hardcovers and "special"
>>books (Lost Years) by such authors as Diane Carey and LA Graf.  Why are
>>all the bad writers getting published?  Maybe the net person who works
>>for Pocket can enlighten us on why the worst books are selected for
>>publication and then not edited when they so obviously need editing
>>badly.
>>
>>   Ugh, I'm disgusted.
>
>You probably should have said "Why are all the writers I don't like getting
>published". I don't consider Diane Carey to be a "bad writer". I would like to
>think that, in her case, yours is a minority opinion.

RS>I too enjoy Diane Carey's work. I believe you hit the nail on the head.
RS>Perhaps the more pc statement could have been started with IMHO, IMO or
RS>IMNSHO.  ;->

Take it from me, Dave Stern is not brain dead -- without Dave the Trek
books would be in a lot worse shape than they are now.  Does anyone
remember the books from the early 80's and how bad they were.  Dave
turned the whole program around, recruiting authors like Mike Friedman,
Carmen Carter, and Peter David.  He's a good editor and a pretty good
musician too.

Personally I like LA Graf's and Diane's stuff.  What is it about their
work that you dislike?  Do you think the writing is bad?  Problems with
the plot?

The Trek books should be getting better in the next few years.  In the
past, we had a manuscript crunch with too little "good" stuff to fill
out the schedule.  This has changed and we can now afford to be a little
more discriminating.

Rest assure though, we will not stop trying new authors all together,
after all even the best have to start somewhere.


Paul
Pocket Books

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