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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: PC vs. Player INT
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:13:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu

In article <BzE1qJ.At2@unix.amherst.edu> sjdaskal@unix.amherst.edu (Steve) writes:
>In article <846@blue.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>for creating NPCs and PCs, it seemed pretty obvious that they were on
>>the same scale, and thus on the same frequency chart. That's how I do it.
>>Thus in my cosmos, an 18 is equivalent to 1 out of 216 people. 

>Forgive me if this seems silly, but if you count 18 intelligence as one out
>of every 216 people, do you have any way of describing people who are genius-
>level?  For instance, Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Copernicus, etc., etc.

	Yep. 19,20,25,30,100 (godlike here...)

	All stats I made open ended, since (for example) the carry and lift
capacities of the Strength charts were inadequate to properly describe
even some of the monsters (for example, Giants are supposed to act like scaled
up humans, yet the lift capacity given for Storm Giants would make them
proportionately so weak that they could barely walk.). Thus I opened the scale
to allow description of anything from 0 to infinity. Strongest PC I ever
had (aside from one poor schmuck who got drawn into a major destiny, and then
had to go out and do things for his new master) possessed a 30 strength. Nasty.

>But then are you saying that it is impossible for PCs to be genius level?
>This is a concept which I dont necessarily disagree with, but it seems 
>somehow against the nature of the game, especially if you understand the 
>PCs to be above the level of ordinary people, i.e. heroes, as you seem
>to from your posts in .advocacy not long ago (i think it was you, at least).
>
>Have you found a way to resolve this problem?  Or do ou not even think
>of it as a problem?

	Very easily. First, ordinary people are on the strict 3-18 scale
(modified for situations of course); PCs are on the following scale:

	roll 4d6, reroll all 1s, take top three UNLESS
	All 4 dice are the same (including all 1s) in which case add all
four dice.

	In addition, characters will get arduin special abilities rolls,
and get bonus points (ranging from a d4 to a d20) to spread around as
they desire. I sometimes change this in order to make a campaign of a 
particular power level, or if a character has either gotten really screwed
on the rolls or really lucky.

	This yields a potential range of stats from 4 up to, theoretically,
48 (rolled 4 6's, thus getting 24; got a +20 bonus which was all added
to the 24; rolled an arduin special which gave a +3 on the stat).

	Most characters tend to have their prime stats ranging from 18 to 
21, with their other stats going down from there.


					Sea Wasp
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From: alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst)
Subject: Re: Small query on multiple mages in a party...
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.191728@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be>, stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kris Van Hees) writes:
|> Hello,
|> 
|> I have a party in which we have a human mage and an elven thief/magic-user.
|> The mages would like to learn spells from eachother.  Because they have
|> different spells in their spellbooks, it is their hope to be able to learn
|> spells which are listed in the other's spellbook.  I do not see any objection
|> to this, really, as it looks the same as learning a spell from a scroll.  Yet,
|> when learning a spell from a scroll the scroll is destroyed.  Would this be
|> likely to happen to the page the spell is written on in the spellbook?
|> 
|> Any ideas, comments, suggestions on this?
|> 
|> Kris Van Hees, DM.

The page in the spellbook is not destroyed because it is only a description of
the spell. The mage has to learn the spell before it can be spoken.

On the other hand, the magic of the spell on the scroll is stored *in* the
writing of the spell and does *not* come from the mage and so it is destroyed
when the spell is used in any form.

	Alex

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From: cosc177z@jane.uh.edu (92H02966)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Silver Piece Standard
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:19 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <Bz3uor.GsK@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, david@avenger.ecn.uoknor.edu (David Bump) writes...
>tjz6090@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ted Zuvich) writes:
> 
>>   Is anyone else out there using the silver piece standard, instead of
>>gold piece standard?  I am interested in hearing about how you managed
>>the conversion, if so.
>>Each coin is a bit larger than a US 50-cent piece.  For conversion to
>>modern-day prices (useful when your players are trying to figure out how
>>much grain a farm has to  produce to feed the villagers), I use a ratio
>>of 1 sp = $10 US.  A gp ("eagle") of this size is worth about $100.
> 
>>4/5 of a pound of gold coins.  This seems much more reasonable than
>>plopping down 400 gold coins, or 40 pounds of gold!.  A 2 sp mug of beer
>>becomes a 2 cp (pfennig) beer, or about $2, also good.  IMHO, gold is
>>just too common in the standard AD&D system.
> 

I have used a silver piece standard for about 10 years.  I just felt gold was 
too common.  Like you, I use 1sp=$10 US. (About 4 pounds but if I was in 
Britain I bet I'd use 1sp = 5 pounds).  I did rework the item prices in some
places.  Chain Mail costs 300 silver pieces, for example.
I have 5 or 6 currency systems throughout the world but the one in the country
they are in now is
  Emptal/Dorla                 Value            Other Countries
1 owvie                      (bronze = dime)     (bit)       
1 sun                        (copper = $1)       (line)       
1 argent                     (silver = $10)      (square)
1 regal                      (gold   = $100)     (pentag)
1 imperial                   (platinum = $1000)  (hex)

All ratios are 10-1.  In terms of 'whipping' up prices on the spot (How much
is a 'really nice' set of clothing?), mapping the dnd currency onto your own
currency is awesome.  You don't need to keep extensive lists of prices because
you already know 'roughly' what the real world prices of goods are and can
quickly translate into the game currency during play.

I use a much simpler system of encumbrance than most folks.  You can carry you
strength * 2 + 4 'things'.  Every 50 coins or 5 pounds of gear counts as a
'thing'.  I derived it from Runequest but added "*" weight items.  Every 
6 "*" weight items weigh one thing.  I've realised large time savings in my 
game as a result of using this encumbrance system.
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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: how to imprison a psionicist ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:48:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu

In article <78428@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <752@blue.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>	Maybe because most people looked at the rule that says "helms
>>shut off psis" and realized how ridiculous that rule is, and jettisoned
>>the rule. 

>That rule is perfectly analogous to the "no armor" rule for mages.  Did
>you jettison that rule as well?

	Sure did. Long time ago. It was the second or third thing I eliminated
from the rules. Never noticed much difference in play, once the initial 
surge of players rushing to play armored mages died down (the novelty
effect).

				Sea Wasp
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From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.rpg
Subject: Toon: the response
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:24:50 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

First of all I would like to thank all you people who bothered send me
an email message with information about Toon. You know who you are - there
were more than 30 of you so sending a separate email message to each one
of you would have been quite a feat!

It seems that most of you really liked Toon - even those few who didn't or
were more cautious admitted that a person with a sense of humour of a certain
kind should enjoy the game...
I guess mine is exactly that :)

I have just purchased Toon (4 hours ago, to be exact) and the game seems
to be exactly what I wished for. (With the possible exception of rules:
the rules are far simpler than what I expected. But that is _not_ a negative
thing...)

Once again thanks to everyone!

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From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: Re: original D&D Box set, DAFT, worth anything?
Organization: Boeing
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:29:10 GMT

<fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot)> writes:
 > There is a green stamp on the side of the box that says "DRAFT".
 > Is this worth anything?

Are you sure it doesn't say "DAFT"? ;)


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From: hulsej@sun.lclark.edu (Jose Hulse)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: ADD 2nd ed. stuff for sale
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec18.220200.13849
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Hey all, here's the scoop:

Forgotten Realms Adventures book-$15
Player Handbook-$15
DM Guide-$12
DM Screen-$3, or free with purchase of DMG
Spelljammer boxed set-$15-never even used.

All items in very good shape--prices do not include shipping.  I will
consider giving a discount if you buy more than one item.   Thanks!

Email:  hulsej@lclark.edu
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From: manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HAVE PEN, WILL TRAVEL)
Subject: RPG materials for sale
Keywords: RTG Cyberpunk, CHAMPS
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:31:52 GMT

RTG Cyberpunk

	CP3101 SOLO OF FORTUNE sourcebook			$8.00
	CP3121 TALES FROM THE FORLORN HOPE sourcebook		$8.00
	THE ARASAKA BRAINWORM module from ATLAS GAMES		$6.00
	THE OSIRIS CHIP module from ATLAS GAMES			$6.00

HERO GAMES Champions

	#400 CHAMPIONS role-playing game rulebook.  Hardcover.
	     Fourth edition.  Brand new (spine's not even cracked).	$20.00

Prices do not include shipping.

M.
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From: karl@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Karl Knutson)
Subject: Looking for _Justice Machine_
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:31:47 GMT

I'm looking for an old supplement for Heroes Unlimited, called, I believe,
_Justice Machine_, or something similar.  It details the hero (if you can
call them that) group called The Justice Machine, who live on a world
called Georwell.  They are government-sponsored, and the government is a
tyranny.  If anybody has this or knows where I can get a copy in the
Chicago area, please post or email.

Thank you,

Karl Knutson
karl@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

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From: Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Murray)
Subject: Striker
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:28:00 GMT

If anyone out there has a complete boxed copy of Striker (sf miniatures rules
for the Traveller milieu) then I want to hear from you!  Even if your set is
not for sale, my set is missing a couple of pages that I would like
information about.  Please contact me as soon as you can -- I have a game in
a week that could benefit from appropriate move effects on fire rule.  :)
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From: pbelvill@lab8.smcm.edu (Paul Belville)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: just out of curiosity
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au



	Just out of curiosity, what would someone pay for a first edition  
"Dieties and Demigods" in pretty decent condition?  You know, the one that  
had the Cthulu and Elric mythos?  It was recalled soon after it appeared  
in the marketplace because of certain copywrite infringments, so I hear... 
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From: philipd@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Philip Dutre)
Subject: WANTED: Old CoC & Warhammer stuff
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:43:05 GMT

I'm looking for:

Call of Cthulhu 1st edition rules
Call of Cthulhu 2nd edition rules
Cthulhu Book Covers

Warhammer Forces of Fantasy (1st edition)
Blood on the streets
Tragedy of McDeath
Terror of the Lichemaster
Blood Bath at Orc's Drift, all WFB 2nd edition scenario packs


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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: "Old TSR Stuff" auction update
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:55:31 GMT

So much for bandwidth!  Kirk, your mail is still bouncing (Host
Unknown).  Got another address?

The high bids for the auction thus far stand at:

Item 		Top Bid		Bidder
---------------------------------------------------
Dragon #13	$30		zelek@cs.rutgers.edu
Empire of Petal			
	Throne	$15		jasmine@sscux1 etc.


As I said, bids will be taken for the next couple weeks.  I'll
send out updates like this one when a new high bid is received.

Chris Zelek asked about a guarantee.  Of course both of these 
items are guaranteed to be as I described.  If you don't feel
the condition is up to snuff, just return it, but remember that
you pay the shipping both ways.  I'll of course refund the money
you send me (anything less is mail fraud I believe, which the
federal government doesn't take kindly to).  Is that good enough?

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: "TSR Old Stuff" auction update
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:50:18 GMT

I was unable to send mail to a couple of my bidders, so I have to
post this.  The bidders that I couldn't reach were:

cwarack@kirk.iusafa.af.mil      my computer said "host unknown"
zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu        my computer said "connection timed
                                out during user open".  What does
                                this mean?

Anyway guys, let me know how I can reach you.  I'd prefer not to
post the bids (waste of bandwidth, etc.).  Thanks!

At any rate, the high bids for the auction thus far stand at:

Item 		Top Bid		Bidder
---------------------------------------------------
Dragon #13	$25		intravai@cat13
Empire of Petal
	Throne			no bids yet


As I said, bids will be taken for the next couple weeks.  I'll
send out updates like this one when a new high bid is received.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Sulkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: Fiend Folio
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm selling a copy of the Fiend Folio.  It is in very good condition.

Send email if you are interested.

Mark
From: smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: RPG Fanzine X-Mas Issue Ready!
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:24:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smasher Land RPG BBS (614)593-8359


The DOUBLE X-MAS ISSUE of "Silver, Swords & Slaughter" is ready!

"Silver, Swords & Slaughter" is an amateur rpg zine that covers
nearly every rpg past and present.  All articles have been submitted
by readers, friends and net-folks.  The only charge for this small
zine is $1 which will cover the cost of the paper and stamp and will
only be distributed in the USA. (this is to keep the costs down).

Several changes have been made since issue 3.  The typeface and layout 
have both changed which has made SS&S 100% easier to read.  There is
also more artwork and a greater variety of articles.  In this months
issue there is a survey, which if filled out and returned, makes you
eligable to win a prize donated by a loyal reader.

This issue of SS&S has articles written by Peter Adkinson (creator of
The Primal Order, currently working with Wizards of the Coast), 
Nick Parenti (recently published in Dragon), Brandon Cope and many
others.....

There are articles on Amber, Fantasy Hero, Talislanta, AD&D, Gurps,
Creating your own RPG, and many many other articles....

I am making no money from this magazine all the money goes back into
the next issue of this zine.  "Silver, Swords & Slaughter" is done in
black and white on standard 8 1/2 paper.

If you have any questions feel free to email me at
sss@smashland.nelsonville.oh.us

Submissions are needed for the fifth issue.  The authors of the
articles that have been used will receive a free copy of SS&S.
Submissions can be emailed to the address above.

Silver, Swords & Slaughter
c/o Scott Mash
11685 SR 691
Nelsonville, Ohio  45764

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From: ghorm@ptarmigan.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Ghormley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: Dragon Magazines for sale
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:39:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptarmigan.cs.berkeley.edu

I have a number of Dragon Magazines at my parent's house which I
don't need any more and am considering selling.  My question
is, would there be enough interest for me to haul them all
the way back from my parent's house when I go home for Christmas?
I have Dragon Magazine issues from (about) 60 to 120.  Conditions
of the magazines range from mint to ratty (cover detached, module
removed) with most of them in good/great condition.

So, any interest?  I see a number of people posting to sell, but
I can't tell if anybody has been successful or not.  I also
have some AD&D books, if there's interest for those as well:
DM Guide, Players Handbook, Monster Manual (I think it's called), etc.

Thanks for any feedback,
Doug Ghormley
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From: "michael sloan" <michael.sloan@canrem.com>
Subject: gaming cons
Reply-To: "michael sloan" <michael.sloan@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:50:01 EST

GAMING CONVENTION

REDCON 5
PLACE:  ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE   KINGSTON, ONTARIO
DATE:   jANUARY 29, 30 31 1993

A well orgainized convention, with a good mix of fantasy and historical
gaming.

If you want more info, feel free to drop me a line.

MIchael.Sloan@canrem.uucp

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From: robdean@access.digex.com (Rob Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: Land of the Rising Sun
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:34:00 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
Summary: Want to sell one?



Is there anyone out there with a copy of the old FGU game "Land of the 
Rising Sun", a Japanese rpg?  For reasons unknown, I'm putting together
an FGU collection, and haven't ever _seen_ this one.

Rob Dean
robdean@access.digex.com

(For the curious, I've now got everything but the above, Phoenix Command,
and Aftermath.  FGU games range from Ok to incredibly awful.)
From: 964reid@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace
Subject: Re: just out of curiosity
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:47:31 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <17531@umd5.umd.edu>, pbelvill@lab8.smcm.edu (Paul Belville) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Just out of curiosity, what would someone pay for a first edition  
> "Dieties and Demigods" in pretty decent condition?  You know, the one that  
> had the Cthulu and Elric mythos?  It was recalled soon after it appeared  
> in the marketplace because of certain copywrite infringments, so I hear... 



please someone else reply because i have that one plus the 
first cover dungeon masters guide and was stupid enough to let
a friend borrow [which he sold on me] the first cover Monster manual 1


just curious what each one of these are worth in "good" condition
thanx

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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: just out of curiosity
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:46:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.184731.6971@gw.wmich.edu> 964reid@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <17531@umd5.umd.edu>, pbelvill@lab8.smcm.edu (Paul Belville) writes:
>> 
>> 	Just out of curiosity, what would someone pay for a first edition  
>> "Dieties and Demigods" in pretty decent condition?  You know, the one that  
>> had the Cthulu and Elric mythos?  It was recalled soon after it appeared  
>> in the marketplace because of certain copywrite infringments, so I hear... 
>
>please someone else reply because i have that one plus the 
>first cover dungeon masters guide and was stupid enough to let
>a friend borrow [which he sold on me] the first cover Monster manual 1
>
My guess is that there is a 'glut' making prices a bit soft: I have copies
as well.  I have heard a 1st Edition unexpurgated Dieties may be worth
over $50 [of course you have to have the right buyer...:P]

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