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Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:33:46 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <C1BH8v.Ly@rice.edu>, garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
wrote:
> 
> In article <Stafford-220193162151@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
> 
> >The old Triumphs will remain unique.
> >
> >The new Triumphs are as completely unlike anything Triumph has ever
> >done before.  People seem compelled to call them 'japanese like'
> >but that resemblance is inspired by the new Trumpet's super tech
> >design, not because of any copying.
> >
> >They will be triples.  No fours.  They are be fast.  Damned
>     		        ^^^^^^^^
> The bigger ones (eg. Daytona 1200) are fours. The 900s in their various 
> guises are triples.

I stand corrected.  I _thought_ I saw an article that suggested that
Triumph is considering the importation of bikes that won't directly
compete with the 4s and twins.  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: I'd rather ride a Suzuki
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:38:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.203859.2726@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jons@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jon T. Schoepflin) writes:

[previous article, same poster, subject line:
``You wouldn't catch me dead on a Harley.'']


Well, here we go again....

Dave




Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Question on seating rings...
Keywords: Break-in period
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:25:46 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Well....I got the Hog on the road. Took the '74 FLH for it's maiden
voyage yesterday. Ran great except I smoked the front brake. Got a problem
there I need to look into.

Anyway, I've done a top-end. New pistons, rings, valves, guides, lifters,
housings, cam, bushings and more. (.020 over)

I've only got about 40 miles on the new top end, and maybe 2 hours of
of "idle" time. I'm running Valvoline straight 60W, cuz I had it "lying
around", but plan to run Mobil-1, or Castrol Syntec after about 500 miles.
I've never broken in a engine before. I'm pretty sure of what's the
"proper" way, but would like a little verification.

Obviously, don't race it, and keep the "R's" down. Go through all the
gears evenly. Be easy on it, and dump the oil after 500 miles.

My questions are: is there anything special I need to do to "seat" the
new rings for a proper break-in. They are Hastings rings, not chrome.
How will I know when the rings are "seated", and it's broken in properly?
Stops burning oil? Compression test? Will anything be damaged if I don't
do something right?
Am I screwing up by using the 60 straight weight during break-in?
(was about 35 degrees this morning, but she fired right off)

Please reply on the net.

Thanks

Matthew Trost
Dallas Texas
From: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM (Wendy Gale)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Motorcycle, Trailer, & Jackets
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:54:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Question on seating rings...
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:18:42 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <mtrost.727982746@convex.convex.com>, mtrost@convex.com (Matthew
Trost) wrote:
>
> Am I screwing up by using the 60 straight weight during break-in?
> (was about 35 degrees this morning, but she fired right off)
> 

It is unlikely that you caused grave damage by running 60w at
such a low temperature but I strongly advise switching to
20w50 or straight 30w.  It took me 20 years to trust 20w50
in big twins but it has worked well for the last 3 I've 
built and broken in.

Those big twins _never_ warm up properly when < 40 farenheit.
From: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I am convinced " I am not worthy" Sorry Harley Guys!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:03:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) says:

>lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>>> (David F. Wright) writes:
>
>>David> My GSXR 1100 will (beat your Harley in a race)
>
>>David,
>
>>	You're on.  Boston to LA and back.  Pick a start time.
>
>My money's on Jerry, when's the event?
>
>Heck, this could even be made into a charity fundraiser to rival the
>raffle of Jody's bra over in rec.moto.
>March 31st until the winner crosses..............
-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
>580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
>Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
>My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
>
-- 

                            WHY ASK WHY???????
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Rollers & Synthetics
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:28:39 GMT

> 	Didn't an article go by on either this newsgroup or on Ken's list
> warning against using synthetic oil in motors that have roller bearings in 
> the bottom end?  Something about "lubricating too well" so the rollers don't
> turn and develop flat spots.

I'm glad Chris posted this, because this issue also seems "fishy" to me, as
Chris says.

My question is this:  If the synthetic oil lubricates SO WELL that the roller
bearing doesn't even experience enough friction to ROLL (obviously quite
minimal compared to grinding down the bearing!!!!) , how in hell is the bearing
able to grind itself down?  I would assume that at a given instant that the
roller encountered friction, it would begin to ROLL... Isn't that why they call
it a roller bearing?
     ^^^^^^ 
Just wondering....

Michael Menard
doh 0000000003
HOG 0532231				"Doin' the Blacktop Ballet"

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: poop test
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:28:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.090055.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.212303.11479@gecko.uucp>, ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell) writes:
>
>>     "My dog poops bigger than your dog!"
>
>
>Maybe, maybe not.  But I have two American Staffordshires and a Rottweiler. 
>When they get pissed off (like when I'm out riding too long), they poop under
>the middle of my 7' grand piano!
>
   There's a story behind that quote. When my oldest kid was in 1st grade, he
was fighting with the little monster next door. I broke it up and found they
were disputing whose doorknob was bigest, so I measured the knobs and showed
them how stuped they were to carry on like that when the damn things were the
same size. In fact, they were the same make and style. Less than a minute
later, I heard "My dog poops.....". At that time, I had a wolf/shepherd mix
and the dog next door was a little terrier of some kind (ankle biter size) so
it was no contest.


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)
doh 0000005774 

'57 FL '76 XLCH  My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


=============================================================
    "My dog poops bigger than your dog!"
                Timmy 1972
*************************************************************
From: spxaf@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr A Faulconbridge 92)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Harley dealers with E-mail??
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:14:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

I am hoping to buy a Harley in the US then ship it to the UK. Anybody
know any west-coast Harley dealers with an E-mail address - phone is
expensive.

	Please E-mail me on: spxaf@uk.ac.cardiff.thor

	Thanks in advance.

		Anton
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I am convinced " I am not worthy" Sorry Harley Guys!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:13:57 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

 
>>>>> (David F. Wright) writes:
> 
> David> My GSXR 1100 will (beat your Harley in a race)

	I agree.  There is a race of every type.
	Here's our.

	Ready!
	On your mark!
	DEPRECIATE!

you win
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: You would not catch me dead on a Harley
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:32:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.062252.12967@spdc.ti.com>, serafin@epcot (Mike Serafin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.203741.2620@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jons@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jon T. Schoepflin) writes:
>>        flames are welcome
>
>I would also prefer to be alive on a Harley! 

Hey, lets kill him put him on a Harley.  

Then we'll take pictures and scan them in.

- )V(ark)<       "Enjoying the ride, punk?"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: I am convinced " I am not worthy" Sorry Harley Guys!
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:47:01 GMT

In article <LOTTO.93Jan21131517@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
|> >>>>> (David F. Wright) writes:
|> 
|> David> My GSXR 1100 will (beat your Harley in a race)
|> 
|> David,
|> 
|> 	You're on.  Boston to LA and back.  Pick a start time.

make sure you guys come through colorado and say hi

laz
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Alarms & Theft
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:57:53 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan20.083006.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>MOTORCYCLE ALARMS
>
I've read several reviews on alarms in motorcycle magazines at the library.
Check it out!

>
>NATIONAL REGISTRY OF STOLEN MOTORCYCLES
>
Some stolen motorcycles make it across seas, most I'm afraid are stripped
(just like cars) and anything with a personal tag or serial number are
either cleaned off or dumped.  As I understand, this happens in a matter
of hours after the bike was ripped off.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:09:28 GMT

In article <C17MrL.EuI@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:

> 
> So will these be Harley's <the sport bike> or will they be looked down on because
> they don't fit the mold? I'm surprised that I've heard no mention of
> it in this group. Can jap bike riders be the only ones interested?
> 
  Maybe the Jap riders are anxious for a Harley... Anticipation, you know.

  To the Harley riders, this is old news.

 
Michael Menard

doh 0000000003

 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>l
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From: jons@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jon T. Schoepflin)
Subject: HONDA's rule whre are HD...at the bottom of the list
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:57:14 GMT






-- 




Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff)
Subject: Re: reliability
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:19:01 GMT

>In article <1993Jan20.230029.11630@twg.com>, rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>
>| Why on this short of a ride (>5 miles) did they have a van/truck to sweep
>| the course for broken vehicles? Is the reliability of the Harleys bad enough
>| to warrent a pick-up vehicle?
>

Hey netters, Jolly Roger is just a di-khead who owns a Gold
Wing and is extremely jealous of my XLH.  I know, I work
with him and I bet he bit his tongue while trying to keep
it in his cheek.  If he doesn't know why the local H.O.G.
chapter takes a cage along for emergency purposes, I'll
edumacate him and he'll probably have his GW club do it too.

Hi Rog;-)

Ed
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Question on seating rings...
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:00:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.mtrost.728002847
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Stafford-250193131514@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>In article <mtrost.727982746@convex.convex.com>, mtrost@convex.com (Matthew
>Trost) wrote:
>>
>> Am I screwing up by using the 60 straight weight during break-in?
>> (was about 35 degrees this morning, but she fired right off)
>> 

>It is unlikely that you caused grave damage by running 60w at
>such a low temperature but I strongly advise switching to
>20w50 or straight 30w.  It took me 20 years to trust 20w50
>in big twins but it has worked well for the last 3 I've 
>built and broken in.

>Those big twins _never_ warm up properly when < 40 farenheit.

Just as I suspected. Top on my list to change it immediatly.

Thanks!

Matthew
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Question on seating rings...
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:48:44 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: Break-in period

In article <C1GwLt.8En@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes:
>mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
>
>>Well....I got the Hog on the road. Took the '74 FLH for it's maiden
>>voyage yesterday. Ran great except I smoked the front brake. Got a problem
>>there I need to look into.
>
>>Anyway, I've done a top-end. New pistons, rings, valves, guides, lifters,
>>housings, cam, bushings and more. (.020 over)
>
>>I've only got about 40 miles on the new top end, and maybe 2 hours of
>>of "idle" time. I'm running Valvoline straight 60W, cuz I had it "lying
>>around", but plan to run Mobil-1, or Castrol Syntec after about 500 miles.
>>I've never broken in a engine before. I'm pretty sure of what's the
>>"proper" way, but would like a little verification.
>
>>Obviously, don't race it, and keep the "R's" down. Go through all the
>>gears evenly. Be easy on it, and dump the oil after 500 miles.
>I would suggest that you run the oil more than 500 miles.  My experience
>has been that if you don't run the regular oil long enough before putting
>the mobil 1 in, you will have a higher oil consumpsion.  My thought is
>that the rings wont seat as well with mobil 1, and the oil with go by.
>If you use the regular longer, the rings will seat much better.
>

I tried Valvoline synthetic oil in my Sportster last summer (15W50) and found
out that once the engine reaches normal operating temperature that this oil
thins out *excessively* (about as thin as wd-40 penetrating oil). Castrol
Syntec is even thinner than the Valvoline synthetic when it's at room
temperature so I can only imagine that it's even thinner at high temps too.
I also can't help but think that having the oil watery thin is bad for a
Harley engine so you might really want to consider sticking with the thicker  
petroleum based oils. I have heard that the Mobil-1 synthetics made for air
cooled aircraft piston engines do work well in Harley engines and can be
bought in 20w50 and straight 50w at most general aviation airports' service
centers but that it costs about $8 per quart (or at least that was the price
I was quoted by a place at Addison airport here in north Dallas). I recommend
staying with the petro-based Valvoline racing oil or Harley Davidson oil, the
latter giving be the best overall performance in my Evo Sportster but still
costing as much as a synthetic ($3-$4 per quart).
my $0.02


-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
From: max@admin.mport.COM (Max)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell) writes:

>In article <2134@admin.mport.COM> max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:


>    So, where were you when they WERE made here? I know there were at
>least 3 US companies that made motorcycles with inline 4 cylinder engines 
>(some with shaft drive) long before the imports "invented" them.

i didnt know that agusta was american. were these production machines?
what were they called?

>   That is not the way it is. The feds do not build much of anything. The
>(late) USSR government tried building everything and look where they are
>today. It is a fact that when your primary exports are money and jobs,
>you will eventually run out of both. Who is exporting this? The government
>is sending some money out in the form of aid and questionably collectable
>loans, such as aid to Somolia and recostruction assistance to Russia and
>associates, but few will argue that this is not a reasonable investement.
>The government buys few imports, especially for the military, because this
>creates a number of maintainance/support problems in the event we have to
>really use this stuff and the supplying country sides against us. So who
>then? The fools who are driving/riding/watching/listening to all this
>imported junk. The next time you see an import cage drive by, stop and
>think. There goes someones wages for about 3 or 4 months and YOU are paying
>for his unemployment or welfare. If he gets desparate enough to steal food
>for his family, prices are raised to cover it, so YOU are paying for it
>again. Maybe he will get so desparate that he will break into your home
>or rob you on some back street. Maybe he will BE YOU.

gosh ed, you must wonder why we allow imports in the country in the first
place. im not advocating that the fed govt produce anything, i claim that
the fed debt is bad for the economy, and THAT is why we are less
competitive than the germans and the japaneese. that is why i find it
amusing that people try to blame those toughguy japaneeses! how much of the
GNP goes to interest on the debt? it is bs to blame the japaneese for it.
using other people for a scapegoat for trouble is an old tactic, and a
counterproductive one at that.

>BTW, My computer, which has a working shift key and a ' on the keyboard
>was made in South Dakota.

ohhhh a _spelling_ flame! i havent seen one of those in years! :-)

>Ed Campbell

-max

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomw@megatek.com (Tom Wright)
Subject: Re: Gold Wing more American than HD?!?!?!?
Reply-To: tomw@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:32:16 GMT

In article <82490028@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) / 12:26 pm
 Jan 19, 1993 />

       [stuff deleted]
>
>What's the maximum cruising speed for a newer FLHS/FLHTC these days?
>My Wing can do 80mph for hours while my old '75 FLH *Fatbob* wouldn't
>tolerate much over 60mph for long periods of time. 
>
>This is not a speed contest, but when you have only so much time for a 
>moto-vacation the average cruising speed limits the distance one can
>cover each day. As such, the faster you can travel the more you can
>see in the same amount of time especially when riding a touring bike.
>
>Graeme Harrison
>DoD#649
>San Jose, CA       
>
>
For a while I had a job in Santa Barbara and made several trips back and
forth between Santa Barbara and San Diego. I made the 230 miles in 3.5
hours including one or two stops for gas (depending on how much gas I had
when I started) and the usual slow down for L.A. and getting from the 
freeway to my house.

75 to 80 MPH for sustained periods was absolutely no problem for my '89
Heritage Special Classic. I always felt it was quite prepared to go a
good deal faster than I was (since I did not want any speeding tickets).
I realize you asked about the FLHS/FLHTC, but I would suppose the results
would not be too different. My bike is fairly stock, but I have replaced
the California cam with a Screaming Eagle one, and I had the California 
version of the stock carb bored out. These two mod's are an inexpensive 
way of approximating the 49 state performance or slightly better.

Tom Wright
'89 Heritage Special Classic

From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:40:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) /  4:38 pm  Jan 25, 1993 /

I've read that the fours will be discontinued except for the big 1200.
People preferred the triples for most things.

I'm more than a little interested in the '93 range - apparently they
have lowered the seat height, and the size of the damn things was one of
my main gripes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Zebee Johnstone  DoD #605   | You don't own an Italian motorcycle 
     Adelaide City Council       |  - you merely have the privilege 
    zebee@itd.adelaide.edu.au    |    of paying its bills.... 
----------
The 1000/4 Daytona was discontinued and replaced by the 1200/4 and
900/3 Daytonas. Since the 1000/4 was a destroked 1200/4 it wasn't
any big deal. The new '93 Daytonas have completely reworked bodywork.

As for the '93 range - footpegs were relocated 50mm (2") down and 50mm
(2") forward on the Trident and Trophy models. 

Seat height on all Tridents including the Sprint: 775mm (31")
Seat height on both 1200/4 and 900/3 Trophys: 780mm (31.2")
Seat height on both 1200/4 and 900/3 Daytonas: 790mm (31.6")
Seat height on 900/3 Tiger (Trailie): 850mm (34")

One last thing, the modern Triumphs use metrics, not whitworths or BS.
Err, BS = British Standard. :-)  

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
San Jose, CA