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From: shevett@dworkin.UUCP (Dave Shevett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mazda Minivan Information wanted...
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: Dave Shevett <shevett@Amber.mccc.edu>
Organization: CSAccess BBS, Lawrenceville, NJ

My boss (who does not have net access) is interested in buying a new
Mazda minivan for his family.  His wife has looked over several vans,
and settled on the Mazda as 'right for them'.

I'd like to get people's feedback on this car.  I know very little about
it, so we decided to get the net.decision on it.  What kind of pricing
did people get when purchasing?  Are you satisfied?  

For those who don't have a Mazda, I'd appreciate input if you think
another minivan would be a better choice.

(One last request - it's late in the model year now.  Does anyone know
if any significant changes are going to be happening in the Mazda
model for '93?)

Thanx - e-mail is best...  I'll summarize...

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From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:49:40 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu> blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
>You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
>gas-guzzling automobiles, polluting the air with the nauseating stench of ex
>haust, creating acid rain, and melting a gaping hole in the ever-diminishing
>ozone layer...it's all your fault this world is so f--ked up!!! If everybody
>got rid of their automobiles, we'd have a much nicer environment to leave to 
>our children!!!! 
>









       Ya but how do you really feel?   Ha Ha you thought you could get me to
  respond in a verbally offensive manner! I leave that to eco-zealots like
 you.  I'll bet your the biggest hypocrit you know. I'll bet you drive
 a 66 Eldorado running on 3 cylinders on a good day. What makes you think
 that the ozone layer is dissappearing? Did someone on the 5 oclock news
tell you?? How long have they been keeping records on it?????
 30 years 40 years??? Isn't it time for your 3 oclock feeding??
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: local car clubs/speed shops
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:07:52 GMT
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov (Mark Fugazzotto) writes:
> I am sending out a second request due to lack of response to my first one (the
>re wasn't any).
> Again, I am new to the Reston/Herndon area. I am looking for information about
> any car clubs in the area that deal with old muscle cars as well as pro street
>  built cars. Things like the name(s) of the club(s), where they meet and when,
> and how to become a member.
> The other thing I want to find out is the where abouts of speed shops in the a
>rea. Which one has the best price, service, etc...
>
>                   Thanks in advance to any fellow gear heads that can help me
>                  with my quest.
>                                  M F.
suggest you post also to dc.general.
Get a copy of the Journal newspaper on Friday. They have a WHEELS section
that has a list of local car clubs, phone #s, meeting times etc. The
Journal has several editions depending on where you are. There's a
Montgomery Journal, a Prince Georges Journal and I'm not sure what in
Va. but I know there is one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 1720.1       ?
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell)
Subject: Please buy my car!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:56:46 GMT

1991 TOYOTA MR2 Turbo, Aquamarine Pearl. Loaded. $15,500 Or best offer.

I owe $15,622 on this car and it is placing too much of a financial burden
 on me. Please make me an offer or take over payments of $391/month.

Figures:
	40K pleasureable miles. 22-30 MPG. 0-60 MPH in 6.0 sec. Top speed 145.

Features:
	Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Power Anti-Lock brakes, Driver's side
	Airbag, Power locks, power windows, 7-speaker stereo with CD player,
	T-Tops, 7-way adjustable driver's seat with Lumbar, Leather wrapped
	steering wheel, shifter, and hand brake.
Care:
	Oil changed ever 3K miles. Slick50 added at 1,000 miles. Original
	tires on front. Rear tires have 28K miles. Washed and waxed often. 
	Never redlined, crashed, raced or otherwise tortured.

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From: Mike_Iwasaki@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Iwasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: hotrod mailing list alive?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:17:46 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I subscribed to the hotrod mailing list about three weeks ago and got a few
messages the next day but since then I haven't received anything. Is this
normal or did something get messed up?

Thanks in advance

---
Mike_Iwasaki@mindlink.bc.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: How to determine year of a car?
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:22:24 GMT

|> I was wondering how to determine the year a car was manufactured.

There should be a plate in the engine compartment that states date (month and
year) of manufacture, along with other goodies like the VIN, location of
manufacture, etc.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Power of a Blow Out
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:55:28 GMT
Organization: RICOH California Research Center

rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) (with a really cool .sig) writes:
> What is the power of a blow out on a running car? Has anybody had this 
>  unfortunate experience? Does the car just go out of control or overturn? 
>  What is the safe speed number to be?
> 
> Comments?


   On I-5 while doing about 95 in a '78 Celica, my left rear tire, first
   separated, then blew.  I heard (felt) the tire seperate and took my
   foot off the gas, so I was probably doing 80 when it blew.  It was a
   scary experience, since the left rear of the car dropped and the tire
   continued to fly apart (beating the fender well to a pulp), but the car
   remaind relatively straight as I down shifted and coasted it to a stop on
   the shoulder. I have heard (and strongly believe) that when one has a
   tire fail, braking is a *BAD* idea, as well as any abrupt changes of
   direction.  So, no real problem, but I did have to check my shorts :-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell)
Subject: Please buy my car!
Keywords: Rear brake pads, MORE worn out
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:58:59 GMT

1991 TOYOTA MR2 Turbo, Aquamarine Pearl. Loaded. $15,500 Or best offer.

I owe $15,622 on this car and it is placing too much of a financial burden
 on me. Please make me an offer or take over payments of $391/month.

Figures:
	40K pleasureable miles. 22-30 MPG. 0-60 MPH in 6.0 sec. Top speed 145.

Features:
	Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Power Anti-Lock brakes, Driver's side
	Airbag, Power locks, power windows, 7-speaker stereo with CD player,
	T-Tops, 7-way adjustable driver's seat with Lumbar, Leather wrapped
	steering wheel, shifter, and hand brake.
Care:
	Oil changed ever 3K miles. Slick50 added at 1,000 miles. Original
	tires on front. Rear tires have 28K miles. Washed and waxed often. 
	Never redlined, crashed, raced or otherwise tortured.

-- 
*---Phones----*------------Addresses*-------------------*------Humor--------*
(301)890-4841 * 5600 Fishers LN 4-08* 13707 Colgate Way * "Dis, I claim."
(301)443-4930 * Room 4-08           * Silver Spring, MD *
(800)444-1212 * Rockville, MD 20857 * 20857             *                   
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz)
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: Amoco
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:31:26 GMT

nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:

>I have seen a few nontraditional unmarked cop cars myself recently.  One
>guy was pulled over on the side of the road by an unmarked car -- the
>only way I could tell was because it had the lights in the grill.  No
>tell-tale antennaes and -- get this -- the copy was dressed like someone
>going to work (white shirt, tie, etc.).  He didn't even hae a uniform
>on.

How can you safely determine if you are being stopped by a law officer 
and not a criminal in these cases?   Are you required to stop for anyone 
with flashing lights?  Do you risk additional charges, being thrown in 
jail, (and possibly beaten) by an irate patrol officer in one of these 
unmarked "cruisers", or do you just pull over for a possible felon?  On 
an interstate it is unlikely one would find a location to stop that may 
be "safe".  Does anyone have advise for someone in this situation? 
 
one would find a populated location to pull over.
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:13:22 GMT
Organization: Waldo  Fudpucker's  Flea  Circus

tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.060345.3258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
> > PURE WHITE ON WHITE Interceptors!!!! <for those who don't know..interceptors
> > are the mustang lx's {5.0s} that the CHP uses.>
> 
> In the San Francisco Bay area, more specifically on I-280, the CHP are
> using a silver Mustang for interception, and I have encountered
> radar two times from a full-size CHP black and white.


  I had an interesting conversation with a CHP officer recently that
  yielded some good (hopefully reliable) information.  Yes the CHP is
  branching out, and we can expect to continue to see different color
  combinations.  Although these new colors are "stealthier", I was told
  that cars used for traffic enforcement will continue to have door
  stickers by law.  Did the white/white or silver cars you saw have the big
  decals on the doors?  Also, the silver (also gold) cruisers now being
  used in the Silicon Valley area are specifically assigned to commercial
  (read 18 wheeler) enforcement, and shouldn't mess with you in a passenger 
  car unless your being really stupid.

  Regarding radar, it has been a CHP policy (not law) to not use radar
  on freeways.  A freeway being defined as a limited access highway with
  only on-ramps and off-ramps and no cross traffic.  Highways with cross
  traffic are still game, and radar is being used more often on these.
  Also, since the freeway restriction is only a matter of policy, this
  could change at any time.

  Silicon valley can expect to see more Mustangs and Crown Vics as CHP
  replacements.  When I asked why I wasn't seeing Taurus SHOs, I was
  told that Ford would not offer the same warranty for police equipped
  SHOs as for the other vehicles.  The standard retirement interval is
  80,0000 miles, and the warranty on the Crown Vic and Mustang have
  matched this (this is a special warranty for law enforcement agencies).
  I was also told that there was a police package V-6 that would carry
  the accustomed warranty in a non-SHO Taurus.  I had trouble believing
  that it would "get up and dance" sufficiently for the CHP.

  DISCLAIMER: This information is second hand, and from a CHP Public
              Service Officer.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: LOJACK
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:22:47 GMT

rll@fatima.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:
>In my case, it didn't: I moved out of the state after 6
>months.  The New Hampshire police doesn't have the system.  Insurance
>companies in NH don't offer discounts for the system.

Yea, but the rates are generally so much lower that it's a moot point
:-).

>I don't know what state you are in, but in MA you call the MASS state
>police, and AFTER you finish the stolen vehicle report, then they
>trigger the Lojack.

I hadn't realized that, although that's exactly what the little card
says.  (I'm just outside of Boston, car theft capital of America.)

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Questions on Honda CRX (Buying)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:28:55 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <lott.5@egr.msu.edu> lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott) writes:

>I was told a couple weeks ago by a Honda Dealership (Lansing, Michigan), 
>that the 1991 was the Last year for the Honda CRX's.  They are coming out 
>with a new convertible kind of car in 1992.  

Really?

I've been reading article after article on the new CRX due out next year.
Looks nice too, I hated the old CRX.

-Geoff
--
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 "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech,
  or of the press..."
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pky@meadow.uucp (Peter Yeung)
Subject: Re: M5 vs. Sports Cars
Reply-To: pky@meadow.UUCP (Peter Yeung)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.165911.28776@igor.tamri.com> salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) writes:
>In article <5111@transfer.stratus.com> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com writes:
>>In article <SUDEEP.92Jul23154930@pundit.arc.UUCP> sudeep@arc.UUCP (Sudeep  
>>Sharma) writes:
>>> 
>>>  Have you driven not the BMW 535i sedan but the M5?
>>>  It will blow the sh*t out of most sport cars!
>>> 
>>>  Sean.
>>
>>Most ?
>>
>>You could almost buy two RX-7's for the price of an M5, and each one will
>>peel the paint right off the M5. Faster acceleration, better brakes, better
>>handling. Same for a new Corvette LT-1, same for a 300zx twin turbo, same
>>for a Stealth/3000GT. 
>>
>>The M5's of the mid-late 80's were among the faster cars of their day, but
>>comparing a new M5 to any of the recent generation of super-sports cars is
>>a little far-fetched. The new 5-series body is just too heavy.
>
>This may be ture, but no other true 4 seater can match it, MB 500E is the
>exception.  But it costs about twice the what the M5 does.  Also, the new
>M5's at least in Europe have larger engines, which will blow the sh*t out
>of most sports cars!!!!!
>

Just a bit off-track here: I heard recently that someone in S.Africa has
the fastest production car which is a BMW 535 running on Jet Fuel. What is 
the scoop? Anyone know anything about it?

>
>-- 
>Salil Saxena		Gotta love those British Roadsters - '91 Lotus Elan SE
>Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		Internet: salil@igor.tamri.com	
>South San Francisco, CA  94080		Phone: (415) 872-2722 x2283
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


-- 
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                2000 Argentia Road, Plaza 2, Suite 300
                Mississauga, Ont.   L5N 1V8
                Phone: (416) 542-6300    Fax: (416) 858-2233
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ferrari@hubcap.clemson.edu (scott stevenson)
Subject: strange radar gun in Ohio
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:40:58 GMT

While on a recent trip to Michigan, I encountered a strange (at least to
me) new radar gun.

I was travelling south on I-475 and the Passport started giving me a
K-band alert.  I started looking for a smokey, but only found a screen
that posts how fast you are going.  Is this the infamous Ka/photo radar?
I have never seen anything like this in S.C., who prides itself on the
number of tickets the highway patrol can give out in a month.

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jesse@camelot.sgi.com (Jesse Rendleman)
Subject: Re: 4wd sports utility recommendations sought
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:54:52 GMT

In article <Jul21> johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21> traiger@cheshire.oxy.edu (Saul Traiger) writes:
>>My father is moving to ski country and seeks advice regarding full and smaller
>>sized four wheel drive sports utility vehicles.  His concept of the ideal
>>vehicle would be one that is not so high off the ground, that does not have
>>such oversized tires, that holds four passengers, that will be used on paved
>>surfaces almost 100% of the time, and has anti-locking brakes.  Any ideas on
>>models which meet these conditions?
>
>Soapbox mode on:
...
>P.S.  I have not updated my voluminous SUV posting lately, but will do so and
>repost if there is interest.  In case the address in the header has ".uucp" or
>something else appended to it, mail requests to:
>      johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu

Please don't!  I think everyone here is aware of your crusade 
against the "SUV" from your many previous posts on the subject.

One factor you overlook in recommending 4wd minivans over SUVs
is that most (all?) of these vans have two front doors, and *one*
sliding side door.  This means if you have two passengers in the
back, one of them has to slide/crawl/limbo into their seat.

Besides, even if people are buying SUVs only for "style" reasons..
WHO CARES !??  (well, ok.. you can care enough to post yer opinions
once or twice, but enough's enough, eh?)
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:07:53 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu> blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
>>You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
>>gas-guzzling automobiles, polluting the air with the nauseating stench of ex
>>haust, creating acid rain, and melting a gaping hole in the ever-diminishing
>>ozone layer...it's all your fault this world is so f--ked up!!! If everybody
>>got rid of their automobiles, we'd have a much nicer environment to leave to 
>>our children!!!! 

>Your message was so thought provoking and inspirational I felt a slight tear in my eye. Your bravery and gallantry to come up and speak your mind so moved me
>that I immediately donated both my F40 and my beloved Diablo to the Center
>for Eradicating F.M.R.C.P.D.F.S.C.


I was inspired too.  Only my inspiration took a different path.  I 
immediately hooked up the laptop to the homemade ECU in my car and 
prepared and downloaded a "blosser" mixture map.  This is the map
that maintains 10.5:1 mixture all across the RPM band.  Hey, car don't
pull so good now but golly, look at that soot!

john
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Re: ++WHAT ARE BEST OILS FOR CAR/BIKE??++
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.064326.3695@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>
>: I agree 25,000 mi. sounds like a long way to go between
>: oil changes.  But 170,000mi without a rebuild is pretty good evidence that
>: he's doing something right.
>: 
>Not all that impressive, really.  Any engine that was designed halfway
>decently should do that.
>

Yes, but you must remember that the vehicle in question
is a mid-late-80's Chrysler mini-van.  I have known
several people with these vans and some of them were
lucky to make it to 80k.  Therefore I find this to
be a reasonably impressive accomplishment...

Steve



-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: M5 vs. Sports Cars
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.184112.17740@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>there is an M3 here in the northeast (with a somewhat developed suspension)
>which i have seen lap lime rock in 1:03, and an unmodified M5 which i
>have seen lap lime rock in 1:05.  FYI, that's pretty goddamn fast.  the
>top vette or or the top 300ZX might be a touch faster, but we are after all
>talking about legitmate 4 seat sedans on the bmw side, here.
what do the vette and 300ZX turbo get?

>but the best vette, the best 300ZX, and the best bimmers are all very, very
>competent cars, which renders this whole discussion tedious, childish,
>and pointless.
childish and pointless, yes.  tedious, no.
part of the fun is arguing about it.
how does one go about getting track time, anyway?
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:04:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul30.002419.28409@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>I can't say too much...but I've seen some pictures of the 93
>Camaro..and they are not anything like those crappy C/D pictures...

I ain't going to comment on the looks of the 93 Camaro, but

if anyone is interested, there is an article about the car in May

'92 issue of Road & Track.  There are some drawings of it and small

photos of the car itself.  


				David SHy
				shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:15:56 GMT


Saturn has a 2.5l V6 in plan for the next model year, it is 250 HP
which is 100 HP/l.  This is right up there with the highest output
Japanese engines.

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