From: kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: So Many Men! So Little Time! (Was: March in D.C.)
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In article <1992Apr15.003258.4670@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>
>In a previous article, kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran) says:
>
>>>OK.....let's put this in perspective. I've had sex with one partner.
>>>We were both virgins and have remained monogamous. I made
>>>up my mind a long time ago that if this relationship fails and
>>>we don't get married, then I won't have sex again until I'm married.
>>
>>Oh, so you're calling your girlfriend a Slut?  Or did you intentionally exclude
>>her when you made your comment about if you have sex in *2* relationships or
>>100, you're a slut?
>
>don't put words in my mouth. look up slut in the dictionary. It will
>probably say something about sleeping around. It's up for
>every person to decide what "sleeping around" is. If someday I have
>another sex partner, which I hope is never the case, then I guess i will
>be a slut. And in my eyes, so will be my ex-girlfriend. According to 
>the definition of slut, I would appreciate you not calling anyone I love
>a "slut." You don't know me, and you don't know them. I have
>no right to call you or your wife or your sheep a slut so I won't.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, MaThiEu.  In a previous post, you stated
that anybody who engaged in sex in *2* or 100 relationships was a slut.  I am
now trying to find out if you intentionally excluded your girlfriend/wife, or
if you really believe that just because a man gets married twice, he's a slut.
You supplied the definition, and now I'm trying to find out why.

>I would appreciate a mutual "respect," or whatever. I was using "slut"
>generally. 

Then please define what the "general" definition of a slut is to you.

>
>>No, "sex abuse" is what occurs when you abuse sex.  
>
>who decides what abuse of sex is? Masters and Johnson? you? the pope?
>for me, abusing sex would be using it for purposes other that 
>solidifying ONE relationship in my life.

Then please don't claim that I am "abusing sex" when I define it differently.
Thank you very much.

>
>>There's also the possibility that YOU might infect HER.  How can you guarantee
>>that she was a virgin when you started having sex?  How can she guarantee that
>>you were a virgin when she started having sex with you?  As I said, MaThiEu,
>>this is the attitude that's gonna get you infected.
>
>and where did I get it??? I didn't exchange bodily fluids with anyone
>before. I was circumsized in '78, but I didn't get any blood.

Which means that you MAY be safe.  Congratulations and welcome to the world of
continuing safe sex.

>
>>Gee, are you claiming to be an "expert" in the AIDS field?  
>
>actually yes. I have probably done 10 times the research you have into

Ok, Asshole.  State one reason why some people come down with AIDS Dementia,
but not everybody.  Define "virus soup".  Explain what the brain/blood barrier
is, and why it's imperative for science to develop a drug that will cross it.
State two side effects of AZT.  Explain the possible connection between
Syphillis, Hepatitis, and HIV.  State one major difference between HIV and
AIDS.  What is a "normal" t-cell count?  How low do your t-cells have to go
before you are eligible for DDI?  Of what use are T4 cells to your immune
system?  Is it possible for HIV to be transmitted by skin contact?  How long
will HIV surivie when exposed to air?

You'd damm well better learn something about who you're talking to before you
start throwing figures around, Mr. 10 Times.

>risk factors and the statistics related to AIDS. I'm not a medical
>expert, but in the world of the common man, I am very AIDS literate.

Good for you.  Now why don't you think about some of the stuff you know?
What is riboviran?  What is Kaposi's Sarcoma?  Name three opportunistic
infections HIV people need to watch out for.  Explain the possible connection
between Pennicilin and HIV.  Why shouldn't HIV+ people take Aspirin?

>
>>Yep.  You're another Hetro Jerk who feels "it won't happen to me".  And that's
>>a deadly attitude to have nowadays.
>
>yeah......if you have unsafe sex with multiple partners. That simply

No, if you have unsafe sex with *ONE* partner who is infected.

>is and will never be my case.

"Never say never".

>
>>No, because if you're going to ignore it like MaThiEu is, you also stand a good
>>risk of becoming infected.
>
>how 'bout we exchange addresses and keep in touch for the rest of our
>lives so that one day I can say "face."
>
>>And that's gonna get you killed, MaThiEu.
>
>please tell me oh wise salope.....how will I catch AIDS???

Haven't you been reading a damm thing for the last 200+ lines of these posts?

>what are my risk factors???

The fact that you feel it won't happen to you is a pretty big one...

>
>>You have some proof for this, Mr. Truth-By-Blatant-Assertion?  Like maybe the
>>police records which show the majority of men who are arrested for having sex
>>in public restrooms are married "straight" men?
>
>read Scientific American article from early 1991

Do you remember what month?  What the name of the article was?  It might help 
me find it, and some other people here might be interested in it.

>
>
>why should I be afraid of something that is almost completely isolated
>from me???? sure me or my girlfriend could get it from a dentist
>or something........otherwise there is no chance of us contracting it.

Dream on...

>Maybe you didn't know this, but being faithful DOES still exist in some
>relationships. 

Of course it does.  Your point?  Being faithful with a husband who's contracted
HIV because he shot up with drugs 3 years before he knew you is no safeguard.

>
>just because a lot of people are at risk doesn't mean that everyone is.

No, they aren't.  People who never engage in sex aren't at (particular) risk.
People who have been monagamous for more then 2 years are (basically) safe as
long as neither partner falls into a high-risk group.  People who feel "it
won't happen to me" ARE at risk, though.

>Silence=Ignorance=Fear

Silence=Death.  ItWon'tHappenToMe=RiskOfHIV.
>
>we have the same risk factors as our parents: contraction through
>some sort of medical procedure with tainted boldily fluids
>
>that's simple :)
Sure it is...
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