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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Great Good CEOs...NOT ( was: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:52:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <2SEP199213061273@rover.uchicago.edu> frank@rover.uchicago.edu writes:

>	Was it Casey Stengal who said "It's de-ja-view all over again."?

  I believe it was Yogi Berra.
                         

>	The Bored of Education is so poorly run that I noticed an emergency
>	notice by the fire alarms stating - "In event of emergency please tune
>	to the school board radio station WBEZ for more information." - WBEZ was
>	spun off as a separate public radio station abou 5 YEARS AGO.
>
>	IMHO the main thing wrong with the system is the bloated bureacracy on
>	west 39th street. Chicago parochial schools are run by an administration
>	10 to 20 percent the size, (per student.)
>
>	At the same time, my property taxes are going up 12% a year, regular
>	as clockwork, to pay for these yo-yo's in administration.
>
>	Consider this before you think that any problem can be solved just by
>	letting the GOVERNMENT run it.

  I'm not sure this is an argument against government per se, as it is 
  against government that is not responsive to the voters.  This, in turn,
  *may* be an argument against government on the scale of a city the size
  of Chicago (I've often considered large cities to be perversions of
  nature), or it may simply be an argument against voters who fail
  to stay on top of things and allow this bloat to occur.  Why do the 
  citizens of Chicago continue to elect school board members who run
  the system this way?   


---peter
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How to quit after 2 weeks?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:09:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In article <73@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>It amazes me that people still worry about what the employer will
>feel if one quits, even after two weeks.  Do you think the employer
>would worry if he laid you off [...]

This depends on who you work for.  You attitude seems to be one of "screw
them before they screw you."  Since you have apparently come to the
conclusion that the employee is only a resource unit, it makes this sort
of unethical behaviour easier to rationalize.

-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:6288 talk.politics.misc:43544 soc.culture.usa:7103
From: judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Great Good CEOs...NOT ( was: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:31:47 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

frank@rover.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>	IMHO the main thing wrong with the system is the bloated bureacracy on
>	west 39th street. Chicago parochial schools are run by an administration
>	10 to 20 percent the size, (per student.)
>

Denver is _exactly_ the same way.  I've said for a long time now
that most of our problems could be solved by a small thermonuclear
device at 900 Grant Street! ;-)  I strongly suspect that this is the
case in all our larger school districts in this country, and it seems 
to me to be a pretty potent argument against the idea that we can solve 
our educational problems by throwing money at them.  Here, our tax
increases all seem to magically end up paying for still more 
administrators.  Of course, if the press was _really_ doing its job,
it would make a bigger point of detailing how the money is spent.
We've got administrators who make $75,000 a year and contribute 
nothing at all to the quality of education in this city.

-- 
Judy Bettinger (judy@evolving.com)            < |/
Evolving Systems, Inc.                         :o<)
Denver, Colorado                              < |\
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Portland Headhunters
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:15:10 GMT

In article <susan.715009281@falcon5> susan@falcon5.ericsson.se (Susan Cohen) writes:
>I'm looking for names& numbers of
>headhunters in Portland, Oregon.
>If you can help me, please send 
>e-mail.
>

Me too...Took the words right out of my mouth. 

Perhaps the responses could also be posted to this group. 

I know of three headhunter/prime contractors already, but surely
there must be more.

If no one else wants to volunteer :-), I will post any responses that I get  
(inclusion where possible of H.H. fax numbers and e-mail addresses
 appreciated).

Thanks,

Rob D.

                      -----------------------
duwors@csi.uottawa.ca  aka  Robert Du Wors    Tel:613.831.1930 Fax:613.831.0272
                            141 Country Lane, Kanata, Ontario, Canada   K2L 1J6
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Jobs on in misc.jobs.offered
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:23:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) writes:
: I have been looking in misc.jobs.offered for a System Administrator
: position for about 1 year now.  I tried emailing my resume and sending
: it by US mail.  Here are the results.  Hundreds of don't call us, we'll
: call you letters, and 3 interviews.  2 of the interviews were at the 
: same company 6 months apart.  None of the jobs posted there ever turned
: into anything good.  I had a very low success rate - 0.  I did get a
: few phone calls for contract positions, but I was looking for something
: more permenant.  
: 
: The results of posting my resume in misc.jobs.resumes last week were
: 2 phone calls.  Both of them were for areas that I didn't want to 
: relocate to.  Again a very low success rate - 0.  
: 
: There are lots of interesting jobs on the net.  Maybe I am not qualified
: enough for some of them.  Just wanted to tell other people using the net
: for finding employment about my experience.  Hope you have better luck
: than I did.
I know two companies that hired from the responses that they
got from postings here. There are a lot of people that respond to
postings. This is a place where you will probably be competing with
more qualified people. This method is better for the employer and
about the same for the searcher. One item of note...if this is better 
for the employer, then they may not use newspapers as much. Keep
responding, but don't expect radically better response than a newspaper.
--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: orville%weyrich@tnet.com (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Job in UNIX vs OS/2 world.
Reply-To: tnet.com!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 08:34:58 GMT

In article <6204@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ajit@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ajit Naidu) writes:
>
>Hi Everybody,
>
>Here's an interesting situation my friend is in and I think requires
>more input than just from our little heads. He has been offered a
>job in a small company (6 people) with a very good salary package. He 
>has been working in the X/Motif and UNIX area and this job is primarily
>in the OS/2 environment. Here come the big questions:
>
>1) This will be his first job after completing his masters in
>   computer science. He has 1 year of internship experience and
>   2 yrs of experience after his undergrad and before masters. All
>   in UNIX environment.
>   - Will this job under OS/2 effect his chances of getting back
>      into the UNIX and X/Motif world say after 2yrs ?

Probably. but it is not clear whether it will be a positive or a negative 
effect. Some folks think that OS/2 is moving towards a MACH kernel, and that
IBM has thoughts about putting the OS/2 GUI on AIX. 

>2) I don't mean to offend the OS/2 fans out there, but does OS/2
>   have a lot of future, especially since IBM is working with Apple
>   on "PINK" the new OS which will run across various IBM platforms.
>   - Is getting into OS/2 world a mistake since he has reasonable
>     experience under UNIX and X/Motif ?

It depends on whether he wants to bet the whole farm on one basket of eggs,
and on whether he feels that his position would be strengthened by a broader
base of experience. In programming languages, for example, the first couple
you lear are relatively tough. After that, new ones are easier to pick up
because you can see the comonalities and unique features more clearly.

IMHO, any effort invested in any of the new technologies will be effort
well spent, even if the particular implementation doesn't pan out. The
technology will be reborn somewhere (In Pink? who knows?).

>3) This job is primarily involving Digital Video Interactive (DVI).
>   - What do the DVI and CD-I guru's feel, will DVI migrate to
>     UNIX when the Audio Video Kernel (AVK) is ready for UNIX or
>     will it die out  as Intel has changed its plans about further
>     enhancing their DVI chips (I think) ?

DVI is probably more of a "niche" than OS/2. Becoming an expert in
that is relatively high risk/high potential reward.



orville

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Orville R. Weyrich, Jr.                          Weyrich Computer Consulting
Certified Data Processor                       POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                      Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer                Internet: orville%weyrich@tnet.com
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Need a Fortran Programmer
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:30:04 GMT
	<1992Aug28.171522.3237@pixel.kodak.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Aug28.171522.3237@pixel.kodak.com> kenw@ssd.kodak.com (Ken Wieschhoff) writes:
}} 
}} >Need a Fortran Programmer to do Marketing related data base analysis.
}} Please
}} >contact Professor Manu Kalwani at 494-4400 or Kalwani@purccvm.
}} 
}} Not even an area code!  Where's "purccvm"?

purccvm = vm.cc.purdue.edu  (IBM, VM/CMS, ack!)

The phone number for prof. Kalwani is (317) 494-4400.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                    ect. is meaningless; etc. == et cetera

             "Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
                          They have to take you in."
               			-- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man"
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Newsgroups: comp.jobs,misc.jobs.misc,can.jobs
Subject: Email address for Dept. of Comp. Science, University College Dublin
From: vincew@coast.almanac.bc.ca (Vincent Willden       )
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 10:00:11 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Coast Personnel Services Ltd., Nanaimo, B.C.

Hello Netland,

We are currently attempting to track down a candidate for employment , one that
had previous connections with the Dept. of Computer Science, University College,
Dublin.  It would be most helpful to our cause if someone could provide the
email address for this department to aid us in our search.

Does anyone have some idea of where we could look should this attempt fail?

Many thanks in advance!

Regards,
Vincent Willden, President
Coast Personnel Services Ltd.

vincew@coast.almanac.bc.ca   Vincent Willden
Coast Personnel Services Ltd., 103 - 65 Front Street, Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5H9
Personnel Placement for Western Canada, From the Heart of Vancouver Island
1-604-753-4465 (Voice)                                 1-604-753-2278 (Fax)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Gaining system administration skills
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:31:55 GMT

brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett D. Watson) writes:

>  Can the basic system administration skills learned be carried to
>another job with a different flavor of Unix?  If I learned solid admin
>skills under SCO Xenix, could I effectively take a job in a few years
>as a Sun OS admin?  I'm asking because I'm a little worried that the
>skills learned under Xenix may not apply directly to other variations
>of Unix.  What say you all?  Any sys admins listening?

    *Probably* pretty doubtful.  First of all, Xenix is a loooong way from
a much more sophisticated system like SunOS.  SunOS requires skills in
things like NFS, Yellow Pages, OpenWindows, etc etc, which you just don't
get running a Xenix system.  I doubt that many interviewers are going to
consider Xenix experience relevant.

    It's been my experience that companies who want someone to run their
SunOS systems usually specify previous *SunOS* experience, not just
generic Unix skills.  Perhaps they figure that way you'll already know
where all the security holes in SunOS are.  :-)

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:57:39 GMT

jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:

>parkes@itp.ethz.ch (Andrew Parkes) writes:

>>In article <ted.715364141@sage0> ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
>>the time not distinguishing holiday from vacation. So, the idea that Americans
>>work every weekday except for 10 a year seemed a bit harsh to say the least.
>>Having read this I now suppose that "holiday" means collective-choice days off
>>such as Xmas, whilst "vacation" refers to individual-choice days off not fixed
>>to some external event. Please correct this if I'm wrong.
>
	First, just a quick correction.  The above info was posted by
	Andrew Parkes.  All text from my original message has been removed.

>   Yes, this is correct:  "vacation" in the US refers to leave you take
>when you want it, with your boss's agreement.  "Holiday" means paid days
>off for Christmas, New Year's Day, etc.

	Sorry I didn't make it clear.  I forgot that the rest of the
	world doesn't really have "assigned vacations" (ie - holidays)
	and floating vacations (ie - vacation time)  US residents get
	10 paid holidays which are pre-designated days and 10 floating
	vacations which they can choose when to take (with prior agreement
	from the company).

>>NASA could be quite a singular case so I'd be interested to hear about the
>>general attitudes in industry to people taking pre-arranged unpaid leave.
>>For example, is it generally ok to take unpaid leave as long as you remain
>>on-call (in case problems arise that cannot be dealt with efficiently by
>>someone else).

	HSTX is not the only place I've done this (I'm actually a NASA
	contractor working on-site at Goddard Space Flight Center).  I
	also did this with my last job at Johns Hopkins University.
	However, let me note that in each case, I earranged the unpaid
	leave without pay in advance.  In each case, I made this
	arrangement when I started the job.

>   My own experience has been that unpaid leave is rare in the US, and
>it's generally bad for your career to ask for it.   There are exceptions
>-- if you're high enough in management, in particular, you may be more
>likely to be in a position to negotiate an extensive unpaid leave.  At
>least the only people I've known to do this were fairly high level.  But
>as a rule, you're expected to keep your shoulder to the wheel.     

	In my experience, as long as you get the work done, people
	are pretty understanding.  As I've said, I've prearranged
	leave without pay.  I've also worked in places where comp-time
	is acceptable.  This allows me to work one weekend and take
	two days off at the end of the next week and make a 4-day weekend
	and thus get out of town for a longer period.

	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:6197 misc.jobs.contract:3211
From: mike@pencom.com (Mike Heath)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.contract
Subject: UNIX/C Programmers in Atlanta
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:35:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pencom Software, Austin, TX


AN INTERNATIONAL COMPANY IS LOOKING FOR CONTRACTORS AND FULLTIME
EMPLOYEES FOR THE ATLANTA OFFICE.

SEVERAL POSITIONS AVAILABLE.

Requirements:

5 years of Unix and C experience
3 years of development experience
knowledge of x.25, x.400, SNA, TCP/IP would be a plus.

Please forward resumes to:

			 Nelson Ramirez 
			 Pencom Systems Inc.
			 9050 Capital of Texas Highway North
			 Austin, Tx 78759
														       
			 FAX: 512-346-6444
			 email: nelson@pencom.com

-- 
Mike Heath		Pencom ...  We're not just headhunters anymore.
Pencom Software		
Austin, TX		
mike@pencom.com
From: ajit@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ajit Naidu)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Job in UNIX vs OS/2 world.
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:42:13 GMT


Hi Everybody,

Here's an interesting situation my friend is in and I think requires
more input than just from our little heads. He has been offered a
job in a small company (6 people) with a very good salary package. He 
has been working in the X/Motif and UNIX area and this job is primarily
in the OS/2 environment. Here come the big questions:

1) This will be his first job after completing his masters in
   computer science. He has 1 year of internship experience and
   2 yrs of experience after his undergrad and before masters. All
   in UNIX environment.
   - Will this job under OS/2 effect his chances of getting back
      into the UNIX and X/Motif world say after 2yrs ?

2) I don't mean to offend the OS/2 fans out there, but does OS/2
   have a lot of future, especially since IBM is working with Apple
   on "PINK" the new OS which will run across various IBM platforms.
   - Is getting into OS/2 world a mistake since he has reasonable
     experience under UNIX and X/Motif ?

3) This job is primarily involving Digital Video Interactive (DVI).
   - What do the DVI and CD-I guru's feel, will DVI migrate to
     UNIX when the Audio Video Kernel (AVK) is ready for UNIX or
     will it die out  as Intel has changed its plans about further
     enhancing their DVI chips (I think) ?

ian
---
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Networking engineer salary in CA
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:57:44 GMT
Distribution: misc
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


Could someone tell me how much would be an average salary of a
networking engineer (TCP/IP, Protocol implementation) with
about 5 years of experience in California?  I don't want
anything precise, I want to have only some idea.

Thank you,
--
+----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
| Claude Huss          | Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.|
| Networking Engineer  | Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN            |
|                      | Phone: +81-3-3452-4941 Fax: +81-3-3451-0793         |
+----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
| Disclaimer:"Any comments for my company > /dev/null"                       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
             Gaijin Touroku Card: Don't leave home without it!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.085928.24556@weyrich.UUCP> tnet.com!weyrich!orville writes:
>>>1) Some people enjoy their work. [I do, as long as it is in a smoke-free
>>>environment].
>>
>>Orville, I used to "enjoy" cranking out assembler code and smoking
>>Camels, and when forced to work in a smokeless environment my enjoyment
>
>Most non-smokers subscribe to the theory that a person's right to swing
>their arms about in the air ends at someone else's nose. Smoke is no
>less of an assult than a fist up someone's snout.

Well, I gave up smoking because I could no longer see that it was moral
for me to force others to breathe my smoke; I guess this altruism is
condemned by libertarianism, but I'm not a libertarian.  But if
sidestream smoke is an assault, then so is toxic waste in my drinking
water or forced, unpaid overtime.  That is, I suggest that we Americans
focus overmuch on personal behavior, and not enough on corporate
misbehavior.
>
>
>Is that supposed to be some sort of pun? You forgot the smiley. I see no
>reason to believe that Unix is any more or less sex-stereotyped than any
>other technical activity. As such, concerns about my sexuality are
>orthogonal to the present thread. Government mandated vacation is not
>likely to affect any bias toward male/female programmers that may or
>may not exist.

You introduced the issue of whether being a "good" engineer would ensure
one a good living, and I raised several issues that would seem to deny
this.  The original orthogonality was yours.
>
>I guess Kant was a mathematician rather than an engineer. [Reference to
>a bawdy joke about the differing response of mathematicians and 
>engineers to a modification of Zeno's paradox deleted ... but the punch
>line is that the engineer responds "... but I can get close ENOUGH".]

However, humble engineers subordinate themselves to mathematics and
science.  The humble programmer realizes that programming is merely a
difficult species of applied mathematics.  The humble architect has
respect for the ecological facts of his site, and does not erect a house
on the side of a mountain that slides down in the first rainstorm.  The
fact that such humility is in short supply does not itself devaluate
it.
From: pettengi@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov (James B. Pettengill)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Headhunter  Employment Agency ?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:55:30 GMT
Organization: LESC

Thanks for all the feedback from my post about 
Headhunter Fees.

Many responses questioned whether my
wife talked to a Headhunter or an
Employment Agency. I honestly don't
know the difference. Can someone help me out?

(BTW my wife said it was an Employment Agency
and not a Headhunter)