From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Mormon Claims Answered 2.......
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:40:19 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>> You can't have
>> the original statement (that someone of any faith will get a decent
>> reward......) and the latter as well.  They are contridictory in every
>> sense.  So if these are out of context, please eloborate on what Bruce IS
>> really saying then.
>
>Read D&C 76 and you'll see.

You do this referal thing often, I suppose to make readers think you have
an answer for these things whenever you really don't.  D&C section 76
does not answer the question.  Whenever our LDS friends do this, "see this
section for you answer", you know right away that that is a subject they
don't want to discuss.  I didn't not take these things our of context,
but that is the only arguement our LDS friends can come up with.  How
about lets face some issues!

>>>> Also, the Mormons believe that their founder, Joseph Smith is the person
>>>> that has the last word on wether or not we get into heaven; not Jesus
>>>> Christ.  From their own books I read:
>>>>
>>>>   "If we ask who will stand at the head of the resurrection in this
>>>>    last dispensation, the answer is Joseph Smith.....No man or woman
>>>>    in this dispensation will ever enter in to the Celestial Kingdom
>>>>    of God without the consent of Joseph Smith." Journal of Discourses
>>>>                                                vol 7, p.289
>> 
>>>Sorry, but _Journal of Discourses_ != LDS canon.  Find such a
>>>thing in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl
>>>of Great Price, or the united voice of the First Presidency and
>>>the Quorum of the Twelve, and you've got something.
>> 
>> As I stated before, According to the preface to the Journal of Discourses
>> Volume 8, the Journel of Discourses IS considered doctrinial scripture.
>
>No, it was a journal -- what we might call a magazine or
>periodical, today.  The publishers were trying to sell
>subscriptions for the same reason that all magazine publishers
>want to sell subscriptions.  If you look at LDS practice,
>_Journal of Discourse_ is not and never has been accepted as LDS
>canon.  This relegates the statement you quoted in it as a
>marketing stategy.

Then please explain the preface to Vol. 8 of the JoD which says that the
enclosed text IS CONSIDERED AUTHORITATIVE BY THE CHURCH and that EVERY
Mormon should welcome each volume with eagerness.

>> This is also stated in the Millenial Star, and by Brigham Young.
>> Once again, Brigham also stated, "I have never preached a sermon and sent
>> it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture" Journal
>> of Discourses V13 p95.
>
>"And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon bu the Holy
>Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be
>the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the
>voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation."
>(Doctrine and Covenants 68:4.)
>
>"And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive
>it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
>
>"If it be some other way it is not of God.
>
>"Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he
>that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it
>is preached by the Spirit of truth?
>
>"Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand
>one another, and both are edified and rejoice together.
>
>"And that which does not edify is not of God, and is darkness."
>(Doctrine and Covenants 50:19-23.)
>
>It seems to me that comparing Brigham Young's statement above
>with the LDS standard works provides a valuable interpretation
>and qualification to B. Young's statement.

Are you finally agreeing with me that Brigham was a false prophet?  By
these quotes here,you are saying that Brigham was "not of God" when he
taught these things.

According to the Bible, 1 false prophesy (or claim that it is from God in
which Brigham DID do), that person is a false prophet (Deut 18:22)
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