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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:46:15 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

timd@ed.ac.uk (Tim Duncan) writes:

>In article <HARKCOM.92Sep11100656@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>, harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
>|> In article <1650@frf.omron.co.jp> jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:
>|> 
>|>  =}(and what exactly the hell does "catch-22" mean, anyway? :-)
>|> 
>|>    An excellent book (which I haven't read since high school).  If my
>|> memory isn't pickled yet, then the author is Kurt Vonnegut.  It is an
>|> excellent book and I recommend it to anyone who likes mind games.

>Whoops!  Joseph Heller, I think.  The "catch-22" (as I recall it) was that 
>if you were insane they would send you home from the war, but that if you acted
>insane they figured you were bluffing. A case of "heads we win, tails you lose!"

Close. I think the deal was that the only way you could be relieved
from flying duty was if you were crazy, and anybody who reported to
sick call saying they were crazy had to be sane to do so. 

Often missed, but my favorite part, was how you could buy eggs for 5
cents, sell them for 3 cents, and make a fortune. I may have the
figures wrong, but the relations are right! 

It reminds me of the joke about the guy leaving a high-security
manufacturing facility with a wheel-barrow full of wood shavings
every day. Each time the guards would stop him, again and again, to
search through the shaving only to find nothing.  Finally they
confronted him and said, "Look we know you're stealing something but
we can't figure out what it is. We'll let you go if you'll only tell
us what it is." He replied, "Wheelbarrows."

If you've read the book I think you'll see the connection. If not,
well, it's too hard to explain :-)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Help with art needed
Date: 13 Sep 1992 02:49:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


When a woodblock print is made, the artist does the drawing.  
Another person does the carving, and yet another does the
printing.  These last two folks are often never known by name.

If you are interested in Japanese woodblock printing, there are
*lots* of good books, ranging from introductions to highly 
specialized studies.  Most large libraries have sets of books on
Japanese art, like the *Heibonsha Survey of Japanese Art*.  This 
set includes the title *Traditional woodblock prints of Japan*, by
Seiichiro Takahashi.  It is a good place to begin, if you want to
know how Ukiyo-e prints fit into the woodblock print history.

As I mentioned in another post, I am interested in traditional
Japanese bookbinding, and all other aspects of Japanese folded 
sheet books.  Most Japanese books were printed by woodblock,
although a small percentage were printed from movable type.  As
with the art prints, the artist who did the illustrations could
be famous and accredited with the drawing.  The calligraphy for
the text of the books was usually not accredited, as far as I 
know.  But occasionally a poet or noble person would do the
writing, and their name would be noted in the book.  Yet still 
the block carver and the printer were anonymous.

Cathy Atwood
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:25:06 GMT

mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:

>I have no idea what her problem was, other than she was upset at having to
>wait in line.

>The Americans in line had been watching this little comedy with increasingly
>sinking hearts.  She was obviously from the East Coast from her accent.
>Another loud-mouth New Yawker making things worse for everyone else.  As she
>stormed away, I caught a glimpse at her passport and passed the good news
>around:

>	She isn't one of us, she's Canadian!!!!!!!!!!!!

>There was a noticable sigh of relief.

Possibly she had a different idea of the service provided by immigration
queues. Certainly Canada and most of Europe is far more liberal than Japan
or the US on this.

I well remember the first time I went to the US. The Qantas cabin staff gave
a special lecture on the foibles of US Immigration staff, and how it was
absolutely necessary to have the dates on our cards written in wierd
American format, etc. etc.  Sure enough we 'furriners' were herded into a
waiting room looking like it was rcycled from Staten Island ca 1910 where
a uniformed amazon shouted at us to "stayand bayack off of the yella line"
while we waited our turn to have our names slowly checked against huge
computer printouts (and this at a time when most countries had online
checking).

Even to get to this stage I had to apply for a US visa, which in those days
meant answering 5 pages of questions like "Have you violated the Balck-
Sikorski Act of 1937?"

None of this is an excuse for the anecdote Mark has described, but Americans
have no reason whatsoever to be smug about immigration procedures.

>I think there is a lesson to be learned here.  Immigration officers are human
>beings doing their job.  Everybody is having a rough time.  You'll get a lot
>more doors opened with a smile and a sense of shared hassle.

I sometimes wonder about that "human beings" bit.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: isc30339@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN WEE KHIANG (1794121F))
Subject: Re: Cost of Living in Japan
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:18:24 GMT

Well, I will be working in Tokyo.  I would be very grateful if you can
provide me with more information about the cost of lodging,
transportation, food and all other misc stuff.  Thank you very much.
Looking forward to your reply.

Jesse Tan from Singapore    E-mail : ISC30339@NUSUNIX.NUS.SG or
                                     TANWEEKH@VMS.ISCS.NUS.SG
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Help with art needed.
From: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:00:13 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz


 Hi, I need help with a Japanese painting/woodcutting etc.
I can't seem to find the name of it anywhere. I have exhausted
all local resources etc.

 It is a huge wave, tidal wave, tsunami(?) with a small boat at
the base about to be crushed. I would like to locate a copy of it
somewhere, if someone could give me the name of it and the artist,
I would be very thankful. A book in where it is shown would be
even better!

 Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks in advance

Tony Taia
 TAIA_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:49:01 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:

>robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
...
>|> My words exactly!  Narita is in desperate need of remodeling their kitsche
>|> early '70-s pseudo-futurist architecture.  They need to expand rail service
>|> & not make passengers walk 180 degrees around the dome, on the other side of
>|> a plexiglass barricade, to get to the stolid customs gate.  They need to
>|> install more international telephones & expand the lobby to make it more
>|> user/foreigner-friendly.  The security guards should be better versed in
>|> English.  They need to eliminate these ridiculous restrictions on where
>|> you can carry baggage carts & where you can't.  Also, install an X-ray
>|> machine, instead of opening up every goddamn bag & rummaging through the
>|> contents.

>You sound like it's your fucking God-given right to breeze through the
>international airport of your choice.

>If you are not Japanese, and you wish to enter to Japan, IT IS YOUR
>PRIVLIDE, NOT YOUR RIGHT.  If, for example, the Japanese government wants
>to have it so that people named Henry have to cluck like a chicken to get
>in (unless it's Tuesday or they are wearing a blue shirt), then either put
>up with it or STAY OUT.

Pretty heavy, Jeff, but I do wonder where people like Henry get their
sense of authority to tell Japan (or any other country including their
own) what they should do. 

>Saying
>   "it would sure be more friendly and/or better business sense if
>    such-and-such were changed"
>is great, but demanding makes you sound like a jerk.

Yep. "They need ... They should ...". Maybe Henry thinks he's
talking about his children ? ? ? 

Come to think of it, if I spoke to my daughter like that she'd
probably tell me to go fuck off, so maybe your words weren't so
heavy after all :-)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:37:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,news.answers
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands
Date: 15 Sep 1992 05:50:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

Adding on to Yuzuru Hiraga's posting:

What is a general reaction in Japan regarding Yeltsin's announcement
for cancelling his trip to Japan?  Do the news media consider it
as a diplomatic fiasco by Miyazawa cabinet?  

In my opinion, I think the Northern Territory of Japan (Four Kuril
Islands) won't be returned for a long time. In a democratic framework,
Yeltsin does not have a power to overwrite islanders' wish to remain
in Russia and he is not interested running for a President next time
around. No sane Russian politician want to be remembered as the guy
who handed four Kuril Islands to Japanese for nothing.

Perhaps the only way to resolve the issue in a long-term is to
negotiate Russian/Japanese mutual control of the lslands on 
paper but firmly accepting de-facto Russian administration
for indefinite time. At the same time, the Japanese government
must give unconditional permanent residency status to all Russians
on the four islands and ensure that they won't be removed by force.
In other words, the return of four Kuril Islands comes with a 
substantial influx of Russians into the Japanese territory and
Japanese got to understand the implications and that there is no 
other way to do it. If they can't accept it (want islands but
want to kick Russians out), they should not ask for the return.
They may end up with a Northern Ireland of Japan or, worse,
a barbaric nightmare of "ethnic cleansing" against Russian
residents on Kuril Islands, which I suspect a root cause for
them to remain in Russia.

Adding to YH's note on Etrofu Island, the Japanese Imperial
Navy chose Hitocupp (sp?) Bay because the depth of water
is similar to that of Pearl Habor. They practiced launching
torpedoes in shallow waters before they set out to attack
Pearl Harbor.

Keis Ohtsuka
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:52:52 GMT
	<1653@frf.omron.co.jp>
	<1992Sep10.034555.11239@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1654@frf.omron.co.jp>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: jfriedl@omron.co.jp's message of 10 Sep 92 08:42:04 GMT

In article <1654@frf.omron.co.jp> jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:

 =}Musing about what would be nicest is great. My reply (quoted at the top
 =}of this post) was to a post that more-than-less *dictated* that customs
 =}must be such-and-such a way to suit his pleasures (and that if it weren't,
 =}one could therfore justifably act like an asshole).

   Actually you were replying to a post that was complaining about how
screwed up Narita airport is.  Mr. Robertson didn't even mention customs.
He criticized the same aspects of the design that the Japanese are always
criticizing...  You might want to take a quick peek back at his post and
your follow-up...
From: jkonghsu@ocf.berkeley.edu (James Kong Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Rie Miyazawa
Date: 10 Sep 1992 08:58:30 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu


Does anyone know where I can get GIFs of Rie Miyazawa or Riho Makise?
My roomate is a big fan of them and I want to surprise him.
Please E-mail me or post a reply. Thanks.

jkonghsu@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: timd@ed.ac.uk (Tim Duncan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Hentai Mags
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: T.Duncan@ed.ac.uk
Organization: AI Applications Institute, University of Edinburgh

In article <18jin3INNihm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood) writes:
|> 
|> The following book would be of interest, if you are following
|> this thread:
|> Pink Samurai: Love, marriage & sex in contemporary Japan
|> by Nicholas Bornoff, Pocket Books, 1991

Also one I saw recently:

	Butterflies of the Night
	(Mamasans, Geisha, Strippers and the Japanese men they serve)
	by Lisa Louis, Tengu Books, 1992.

part autobiographical (English teacher seeks part time work) and part
interviews with the women of mizu shoubai.  Looked interesting, though
I've not read it.

	-- Tim
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:02:01 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

=> Ohtsuka sed,
=> 
=> Give her a break. She can do whatever she wants to do.
=> Narita Airport is the most crowded international airport
=> with the worst facilities I have ever seen.

In article <18lmduINN1gg@agate.berkeley.edu>, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Henry Robertson) writes:
=> My words exactly!  Narita is in desperate need of remodeling their kitsche
=> early '70-s pseudo-futurist architecture.  They need to expand rail service
=> & not make passengers walk 180 degrees around the dome, on the other side of
=> a plexiglass barricade, to get to the stolid customs gate.  They need to
=> install more international telephones & expand the lobby to make it more
=> user/foreigner-friendly.  The security guards should be better versed in
=> English.  They need to eliminate these ridiculous restrictions on where
=> you can carry baggage carts & where you can't.  Also, install an X-ray
=> machine, instead of opening up every goddamn bag & rummaging through the
=> contents.  

It may be good thing that Henry didn't run into Mark Crispin at the  
airport. 

The deficiencies of Narita aside, throwing a temper tantrum
while waiting in line isn't going to change the airport like Cinderella's
pumpkin. Nobody obeys the rules about baggage carts anyway, and in
more than 40 passes through Narita, I've only been asked to open a bag once,
when I had a pair of scissors in my briefcase going through the security
gate on departure. Narita is certainly not ideal, and is often crowded,
but it's a pretty efficiently run place. Luggage comes when and where you
expect it, there are *free* baggage carts available, and plenty of 'em,
and the transportation to/from the airport runs on schedule. Given the
crowded conditions in the country and the location, it could be a lot
worse. Just imagine a US airport with that amount of travellers....
I can't. And on occasion, I've been waiting for the next Limo bus
less than 20 minutes after touchdown. I've also had to wait in line
behind the entire University of Nebraska football team and Marching
Band.... hiding my passport lest folks think I was a linebacker with
a mean streak.

And.... would you expect the security guards at a US port of entry
to speak Japanese? I don't think you'll find too many.

Once I entered the US at LAX. I waited in line at customs for almost two
hours after waiting for my luggage for almost an hour. At that time I
wished it was Narita, as they inspected the luggage of almost everyone,
and were bagging people left and right for the grevious offense of
bringing *food* into the country. Personally I think people should have
the right to carry food. What if they get hungry waiting in line?

- Bill Lambert
From: labsher@ocf.berkeley.edu (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Women's Movement in Japan
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:17:50 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: ocf.berkeley.edu

In article <190g7nINNsva@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>Yeah, but what's all this panic about women not marrying/having kids in Japan?
>Isn't Japan too crowded to begin with?  The Japanese government should 
>encourage smoking among older people to kill off the aging problem. 
>

As a newsgroup reader whose grandmother in Japan has died of
emphysema last June, you might want to think a little bit before
sending such messages.

I know you're joking, but emphysema *is* a problem amongst older Japanese,
I don't know much about how the habit was introduced in Japan, but I
suspect it was introduced by Allied Forces after WWII.  I know my grand-
mother smoked for over 40 years.  I do miss her.

Henry, your last statement is truer than you realize....

Linda Absher
labsher@ocf.Berkeley.Edu
lindaa@info.Berkeley.Edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Nippo-Disney
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:59:55 GMT

In article <190ft7INNstu@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>On the topic of cars: there's a REALLY good book out, called RIVETHEAD, by
>Ben Hamper, published by Warner Books, about life as a General Motors
>factory worker.

	"US News and World Report" published
	some excerpts from his book.  They were
	absoultely hilarious.  I especially liked
	to one of GM picking him up in a "moron dragnet" :-)

-- 

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu	Gerard Vignes, USL PO Box 42709, Lafayette LA 70504 USA
From: herb@sybase.com (Herb Lison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Tom Selleck' Baseball love
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:22:16 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <18ln8fINN1n1@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>...stuff deleted...
>As far as I'm concerned, all interracial love-films are inherently ridiculous.

All??  Have you seen Mississippi Masala?  Is it the movies or the subject
matter you find ridiculous?

Herb Lison
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:06:56 GMT
	<1650@frf.omron.co.jp>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: jfriedl@omron.co.jp's message of 9 Sep 92 05:40:02 GMT

In article <1650@frf.omron.co.jp> jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:

 =}My question to those that know: is it truely OK for those with alian
 =}reg. cards to go into the Japanese Passports line, or are the immigration
 =}officials just being nice in not sending me to the foreigner line.

   According to the immigration office (just a phone call away [or a 2
hour train ride, if you prefer]) the "Japanese Passports" line is also
for resident aliens.  Perhaps they should name it the "Residents" line?

 =}(and what exactly the hell does "catch-22" mean, anyway? :-)

   An excellent book (which I haven't read since high school).  If my
memory isn't pickled yet, then the author is Kurt Vonnegut.  It is an
excellent book and I recommend it to anyone who likes mind games.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Subject: Re: Attractive, Wealthy Japanese Woman Sought
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:50:04 GMT

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
: 		The "p...(beep)" was not mine.

I know, of course I know that. 
It was a mischief of Mr. Mistery, an email address thief. :-)

: In article <1992Sep9.221601.13318@cs.ucla.edu> kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa) writes:
: 
: >If Japanese women read your article, they will have an impression
: >that you have whoever-Japanese-woman-is-OK way of thinking.
: >To deny this impression, it better to add why you need 
: >Japanese woman. 
: 
: 	I thought it would be appropriate
: 	to address her as a Japanese woman
: 	because this is a Japanese newsgroup.

You are logically correct, I guess.  But ...
what I would like to say is that it is (was) better to show your
sincere attitude in your original post as something like;

: 		     NOTE TO THE READER
: 
: 		I am not looking for exotic sex,
: 		simply honest affection and support.

not to make readers (incl. Japanese women) misunderstand you
for the best result.  See ... man, your original post caused
reders' misunderstandings, as you read.
Sincerity is the strongest weapon of men, I convince.
But I have never used it. :-)

Nobuyasu KANEKAWA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Japanese Customs (not Immigration)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:59:31 GMT

keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
>I don't think it matters whether you dress casually or spiffy.
>They are looking at people's behavior rather than their attire.
>A friend of mine believe that his moustache was the cause of
>a spontaneous search of his baggage because it didn't happen
>before without a moustache. I have a moustache and dress very ...

In addition to checking people who are behaving suspiciously,
I would think they have a list of "most wanted" persons or types
of person.  If you are unfortunate enough to fit the description 
of these persons, you probably get searched no matter what the
behavior.

Moustache used to be fairly rare in Japan, but today I see a lot 
of younger men sporting facial hairs ... perhaps the influence of 
prince what-his-name :-).  Maybe a moustache by itself is no longer
a reson for a search ...