HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Subject: Re: BTAS 11/16: Heart of Steel
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:34:00 GMT

From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS 11/16: Heart of Steel
Summary:  
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:09 CST  
Distribution: world
Keywords:  

In article <1992Nov18.003838.3832@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes...
>In <Af28RqG00awAQ4o1MV@andrew.cmu.edu> kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin J. Chen) writes:
> 
>>Did anyone else think that the animation style in this episode was
>>"different"?  It wasn't the very polished animation we saw in P.O.V. or
>>Heart of Ice, but I thought it was good.  Certain scenes with Bats in
>>the low-lighting struck me as very impressive indeed.
> 
>Actually, I thought it fairly mediocre, but everyone's got an opinion.

There were several scenes in the first half that were very spotty, as if the 
original artwork wasn't taken care of correctly.  It made me dislike the overall
animation for that episode.

>The one that absolutely had me rolling was picking William Sanderson to play
>the voice of the AI developer -- a role very similar to the one he played in
>BLADERUNNER. 
> 
>(Now if only the female android's voice had been Daryll Hannah's...)
> 

More Blade Runner DYN's:  The Tyrell corporation in BR was originally called
the Rosen Associaton in PKD's book _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_.
The Cybertron's owner/president's name was, of course, Rosen.

Due to the poster forgetting to set his roommate's vcr, I didn't get to see
part two of "Heart of Steel".  Would some kind reader of this newsgroup send
me a synopsis of the episode?  Thanks much.


just a few random thoughts from thomas, aka ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu

"We're entrepreneurs in an expanding field."
				-the Corinthian


Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
Subject: anybody have The Littles?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:37:07 GMT
Organization: Jeff's House of Electronic Parts

Does anybody have episodes of DIC's "The Littles"?
I'm looking for the episode where the professor captures
Lucy and Tom and takes him to the lab, and they escape (of course).

The video store doesn't have them and can't order them.
If it's on a commercial tape, I'd be even happier.

- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@panix.com
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: OLD Spider-Man
Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:16:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


The old '60s SPIDER-MAN cartoon was produced by the Grantray-
Lawrence studio (now long since defunct, I think) which also
produced the syndicated MARVEL SUPER-HEROES cartoons (which I've
never seen, but I've heard the animation was so limited as to be
practically non-existent).  

My main memory of the Spidey cartoon was that as a fan of the
comic book I was disappointed with the cartoon, which consisted
basically of straight action stories with little of the
character development and soap-opera plotlines of the comic.
There never has been a really accurate TV adaptation of the
SPIDER-MAN comic (though the SPIDER-MAN & AMAZING FRIENDS
cartoon wasn't too bad).  It would be great to see someone
do an animated Spidey which was as well produced and true to
the original Lee/Ditko comic strip as the current BATMAN show
is to the BATMAN comics.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
Date: 24 Nov 1992 05:50:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


What about that cartoon that was on just a couple seasons ago that
starred MC Hammer?  I watched a whole five minutes of it, but it was
so dumb and the animation was so horrible I had to shut it off.  Ugh.
-- 
"And the Glory of the Lord will be revealed, and all mankind together will
see it.  For the mouth of the Lord has spoken."------Isaiah 40:5
"Come on down, stop on by, hop a carpet and fly to another Arabian Night"
					-----"Arabian Nights", Aladdin
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: any original Disney movies?
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:19:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <92326.133806RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I've been learning just recently that a lot of the Disney Cartoon Movies which
>I thought were original stories are actually retellings:

Nearly *all* of their films are based on existing stories.  It's a
good basis, as the stories have already proven themselves.  Disney's
stories happen to be very well known, but many (if not most)
live-action movies are also based on existing stories.  How about
"Dracula?"  Or "JFK?"  Or "Batman?"  Disney's versions are *NOT* the
original story--they are *based* on them.  Read the stories and see--
some people call it "butchering," I call it "creative."

>I'm not too positive on all of these but if this is so, how can Disney put so m
>any trademarks on characters which are not necessarily theirs'?

The look and personality of the character should be enough, like for
Ariel in "The Little Mermaid."  But most Disney characters are
indeed original creations.  I seriously doubt that Hans Christian
Anderson (who wrote "Mermaid" the fairy tale) knows anything about
Sebastian the crab. :-)

>Can anyone make a more definite list of their rehashing of old stories? (Not th
>at I don't like the movies of course).

How about "revitalizing" the stories?  With fairly obvious
exceptions, like Fantasia (which included classical music, though),
all of Disney's animated features are retellings.


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: BTAS: 11/19 Joker episode
Keywords: BTAS
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:46:19 GMT

Another good Dini script; the Toons connection at Warner's becomes fairly
tangible when the Joker is around.  The back and forth between J. and Pamela
Isley is enjoyable.  Ernie Hudson certainly had a small part, though...

Tomorrow: What, HARDAC back again so soon?

                           "Why, look, Ted.  It's a
                            meeting of the new
                            community leaders."
                                                     "OOH!  A town MEETING!
                                                      Do we gets ta VOTE?  I
                                                      jes *LOVES* ta vote!"

                                           -- BONE
---
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: scheetz@watson.bms.com (Christopher Scheetz)
Subject: Mighty Orbots Names (Thanks)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:18:00 GMT


Thanks everyone for your quick response to my question.

Orbots

Tor
Bo 
Boo
Bort
Crunch
Ono

Thanks again,
Chris
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Spider-man
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:20:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtK6o.4M6
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <BxsHsw.Dnv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kgscharf@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Kevin Scharf) writes:
>Recently I rented a tape from a local video store of Spider-man cartoons.  However, it wasn't the old show with the cool theme song lyrics ("Spider-man, Spider-man, does whatever a spider can") nor was it "Spider-man and his Amazing Friends" (No Iceman or Firestar).  The episode on the video had a big parade honoring Captain America, and in the end Spider-man and Cap teamed up to stop the Red Skull who was going to make Cap look bad.
>
>So the question is, is there a third Spider-man animated series or what?
> 

I remember about 8 years ago, there was a "new" Spiderman series that 
aired on television. Around Christmas last year they started selling
videos of the "Master of the World" Dr. Doom episode. The series wasn't
that bad, (of course my memory may be screwed up!) but I don't think
many episodes were made. Basically, when I was watching it, this was
the format: Every week for about 7 weeks they would show 2 of the "old"
Spiderman episodes, 2 "new episodes" and 1 "new" episode with Dr. Doom
in it. [possible spoilers ahead!]




































Each week, Spidey would beat Dr. Doom, but Doom would usually make off
with some jewel or control device, or something like that so he didn't
totally lose. In the last episode, he constructed a weather controller
from all they parts he obtained in the previous episodes, and he used
it to take over the world. All his Doombot robot doubles stepped out
from different locations around the world, and started ruling the
countries, etc in true Doc Doom style. Anyways, Spidey figures out
the code word for the weather controller is "doom" (go figure!) and
takes control of the laser in the satellite. The laser starts cutting
through Latveria, through Doom's castle, and, just as Doom is about to
blast Spidey into atoms, it hits his armor and he is killed (assuming it
is the real Doom) as the laser causes his armor to explode. Latveria is
free (hooray)! and then they started running reruns. On a side note, if
anyone out there has tapes of this Spiderman run, I would be 
interested in hearing from ya. I haven't seen an episode since a long,
long tim ago--don't know why.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Pain? Pain is like love, like compassion! It is a thing only for lesser
 men. What is pain to Doom?"
				Victor vonDoom, Triumph and Torment Graphic
							Novel

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 

Send e-mail to: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Fred 'n' Barney light up.
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:17:26 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

Last Friday, some club on campus was having a fund-raiser by showing
some old 60's cartoons (Underdog, Hoppity Hooper, George of the Jungle,
etc.)

One of the things they showed was an old commercial that featured
Fred Flinstone & the gang hawking Winston cigarettes.  It was so weird!
It was like watching their evil twins or something...

The audience boo'ed & hissed through the whole thing.

-- 
Essentia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatum -- William of Ockham
(Fact need not be multiplied beyond necessity)
From: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:24:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) says:

>Hi.  what do you guys think was the DUMBEST saturday morning cartoon
>ever?  My vote goes to "JabberJaw" (the shark with the voice of curly
>from the 3 stooges) 

	"Hong Kong Phooey".  Or "The Funky Phantom".  Or any of the
"Care Bear"/"My Little Pony" toon-mercials.
-- 
Richard F. Drushel ****** Ph.D. in Developmental Biology as of 4:45 PM 9211.20
rfd@po.cwru.edu ** Cleveland FreeNet ** Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum ** Go Z80!
"The bright and blinding sunlight shines so hotly on the trash-heaps that mere
undigested food and snotty Kleenex flow as rivers of milk and honey." - c.5253
Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:5766 comp.graphics.animation:1081
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:26:04 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <ddebry.722227157@itchy> ddebry@itchy.dsd.es.com (Dave DeBry) writes:
>
>       One of the best books I've read on BOTH the art and technique
> of animation is called (I think) "Disney Animation: The Illusion Of
> Life" (Thomas, Frank and Johnston, Ollie.  Abbeyville Press, New York,
> 1981).  It's in the bibliography of almost every paper I've seen
> written on animation (be it cel, clay, computer, etc...).  It's an
> amazing book (although I did have to specially request it to be
> removed from a locked box in the art library at my university).  The
> Disney folks basically taught themselves (and in the process,
> *invented*) the methods for doing the most realistic animations.  This
> book follows their entire path.  It has an incredible amount of useful
> information, not to mention many beautiful frames from various Disney
> and non-Disney films.
>
>       I'd suggest buying it EXCEPT for the fact that the price is so
> high.  If it were even down around the price of college textbooks...
> well, if I have to say "down" to get to those outrageous prices, you
> can guess about this one.  :-\  I'd suggest checking a college
> library... you may get lucky.
>
>       There's several other books that are often mentioned as
> references or good do-it-yourself animation training books.  Is it
> worth my time to type in a list?
>
>
> --
> Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \
> DeBry dsd.    peruvian. | "Who do you think you are, Bjorn Nitmo?"
>       es.     cs.utah.  |                            - Bjorn Nitmo
>       com     edu      /

You can obtain the Disney Animation book at a discount if you are lucky
enough.  I saw the book originally at a few book stores and thought it
was way too expensive for me to purchase but then a few months later I
found it on a special discount rack for a *very* reasonable price.  I
believe I purchased it for something like $25.00 which was a *HUGE*
savings from the list price.  The book itself is huge.

Another very good book on animation is called "The Animation Book" by
Kit Laybourne published by Crown Publishers out of New York.  It begins
with basic drawing fundementals and goes through different animation
techniques right on up to lighting and filming.  At the end of the book
is a large resource section which gives books, periodicals,
organizations, films, distributors, screening centers, festivals,
training programs, suppliers, laboratories and much more information.

I find it to be a very valuable resource.

--
 Bob Lindabury

InterNet: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com                | Raven Enterprises
    UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!bobl              | 25 Raven Avenue
  BitNet: bobl%bobsbox.rent.com@pucc           | Piscataway, NJ 08854
  Home #: +1 908/560-7353                      | +1 908/271-8878
From: opstad@Apple.COM (David Opstad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: In BMTAS
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:02:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov15.171933.20161@ultb.isc.rit.edu> entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Mark Hamill's first starring role was in an obscure science fiction
>remake of the Wizard of Oz called Star Wars.  It was directed by a former
>classmate of mine at USC Cinema named George...damn, it's on the tip of
>my tongue.  Anyway, George somebody.  

Actually, obAnimation, Mark Hamill appeared in *two* 1977 science-fiction
releases from Twentieth-Century Fox. Well, at least his voice. He was the
voice of the fairy captain Sean in "Wizards", although his name was
misspelled in the end credits as "Mark Hamil".

Dave Opstad (who actually paid real money to see "Wizards" some 60+ times
when it first came out. What can I say? It was near the end of my stint
in graduate school, and I needed the mental relief)
From: v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ninstar Cybermage: Black Phoenix Rising)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Bladerunner character in BTAS (was BTAS 11/16: Heart of Steel)
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Some actual ANIME sci-fi references.

BUMAs from Bubblegum Crisis, though that doesn't really count since they were
sort of copied from Terminator anyway.

The fighting style used by the robot was EXTREMELY similar to the one used by
the(also terminator based) robots in Black Magic: M-66

James Shank           	#		v131p9t3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
AKA: Ninstar Cybermage  #	or	shank@acsu.buffalo.edu
##############################################################################
"Anyone with a .sig more than four lines long is a self important fool!"-Marek
"OOPS!  8-)" -Ninstar, on line 5 of his .sig
From: eschudt@young.helios.nd.edu (Eric Schudt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:18:45 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

Hi,
Since this fortunate thread has come up, i would like to ask again
whether any of the people who actually do animate know of any
magazines on animation that are currently in publication.
Any names, addresses, whatever would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

-Eric
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: kmc8z@Virginia.EDU ("***** Tina C *****")
Subject: bugs cds
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:31:27 GMT

could anyone please list the different bugs bunny cds (warner
bros) that they have seen available?

i have "bugs on broadway"....GREAT!
lots and lots of classics

thanks in advance,
tina
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:59:06 -0500 
From: John Charles Fiala <jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Obscure Sat. Cartoons (Was: Re: Scooby Doo etc.)
	<carlinra-221192155015@129.59.101.13>

Hey.

Don't forget the 'Hair Bears'.


*chortle*
-john
Oh, no!  My account will be taken away on December 18th!  *sniff*sniff*
Until then, my email address is: jf2z@cmu.edu
After that, my email address is: bonapart@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
  We apologize for the Inconvenience.
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:27:00 -0500 
From: Edward Liu <el24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bladerunner charector in BTAS (was BTAS 11/16: Heart of Steel)
	<SS.92Nov17083025@wpi.WPI.EDU>

In <SS.92Nov17083025@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:47:34 -0500 , "Kevin J. Chen"
<kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> said:
>
>Kevin> Looks like the record for episodes of BTAS with "Heart of..."
>Kevin> in the title is pretty good... :)
>
>So did anyone notice that Carl Rossen looked and sounded just like 
>J F Sebation (sp?) from Bladerunner. Thought that was cool...
>

   I have to admit that I didn't like the show very much as BATMAN stuff.
However, there are a *LOT* of sci-fi/robot inside jokes throughout the movie,
so I think that the episode was meant more as a tribute to the great "robot"
movies of sci-fi.  The episode made references to:

	o 2001: A Space Odyssey
	    Kevin mentioned in his post that HARDAC resembled HAL in appearance
	  and vocal tone.  I agree, especially when you note the single red
	  lens that acts as HARDAC's "eye."  (However, I don't think you can
	  shift the letters in HARDAC to get "Informix" or anything like that
	  :-)
	o The Terminator (1 & 2)
	    The robot factory within HARDAC looked a lot like the terminator
	  factory that you saw in the trailers to _T2_ -- assembling an arm,
	  attaching the arm to an endoskeleton, and then putting the
	  endoskeleton into this press-thingie to surround it in flesh.  Also,
	  in the next episode trailer, you saw the blonde with a
	  half-torn up face revealing a metal skull and one red eye underneath.
	  She was trying to press Batman underneath a big hydraulic press
	  like the one Sarah Connor used to kill the terminator in the first
	  movie.  Give you three guesses how I think the blonde robot is gonna
	  get it at the end of part II...

	o Blade Runner
	    HARDAC calls his robot doubles "duplicants" -- echoing "replicants"
	  from Blade Runner.  Also, (to finally address the article quoted
	  above), the voice for Rossen was done by William Sanderson, known for
	  playing (surprise!) J.F. Sebastian in _Blade Runner_.

   Did anybody else catch any other sci-fi references in the episode?

-- Ed
Edward C. Liu		|   " 'Ed, are you hallucinating?'
el24+@andrew.cmu.edu	|     'Huh?  Oh.  Yeah, but not right now."
(E-L, not E-One)	|	-- _Northern Exposure_, Nov 9 1992
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: isupstud@bnr.ca (UVic-ian)
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Reply-To: isupstud@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:13:03 GMT

Aaron,

	It appears that you have subscribed to the right newsgroup.  It is nice
to see people like you have such an interest in animation.  Myself I don't really
have spare time to toy with the idea but would love to hear how things work out
for you.  I am an enormous animation fan, and could watch cartoons for hours on
end.  I recommend that if you want any ideas for cartoons that you watch the
animation film festivals.  I saw one a couple of years ago with Bill Plympton's
_Push Comes to Shove_ and it was just hilarious.  These are usually excellent
clips from some of the greatest animators of all time.

-- 

Todd Strilchuk:

	isupstud@bnr.ca

	tstrilch@ugly.uvic.ca


Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey)
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:16:47 GMT

Alan Tusks writes-
> p.s. - While we are at it, what film stock and lights are you
> using. Might as well find out if that IS the problem.

I use Ektachrome 7240 film for my Bolex usually. As for lighting, I
use 4 lights:  1 key light (500W) positioned beside my camera,
2 fill lights (250W) on the left and right sides of my set at
various angles (usually play with the positions a bit to find what
looks nice), and a background light (250W) suspended from the 
ceiling  pointed at the background. These are all photo-floods.
I think that I will try the light set-up that Erik Timmerman
said to try (thanks alot Erik), and see how that turns out.
Maybe I should try a different film? The Ektachrome has been
working not too badly I think, but I'm always open to 
suggestions!

-Aaron
 amramsey@sirius.UVIC.ca