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From: wtr@mitre.org (Bill Ralston)
Subject: Re: Questions for musicologists
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:55:12 GMT

Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) asks:

>First, what is it that creates the special "Dead sound"? 
>What I mean by that is that I can hear a chord or two or even a couple
>of notes and know it's the Dead playing. I can't do that with other
>bands playing something I haven't heard before, but can always tell a
>new Dead tune, even turning on the radio in the middle of it.

It ain't the chords, it's the instrumentation.  Play the same chord on a 
guitar, a piano, a synthesizer - it sounds different.  What makes the Dead 
sound unique is not the paricular chords, but the instrumentation.  I find 
there are many musicians I can recognize just from a single chord, and 
it's because of this.  In particular, what I hear in Jerry's guitar that 
is distinct is the attack (the amount of time it takes for the sound of a 
note to reach full volume) and the decay/sustain.  Jerry's guitar has a 
soft attack (i.e. it takes a fraction of second longer for the sound to 
build up.  Most guitar players have a very shart attack.  As for the 
decay/sustain on Jerry's guitar, I don't know how to describe it, but it 
sort of shimmers.  

Well, that's the scientific explanation.  The other possibility is more 
spiritual.  It's like knowing when someone is staring at you behind your 
back, knowing who is calling before you answer the ringing phone, the 
tingling you get when you read/hear something particulaly profound.  It's 
like looking into peoples eyes and knowing things about them.  What I 
think makes the Dead so special, and accounts in large part for their wide 
following, is that the music is more than just music.  In it I hear the 
forces that make life what it is;  it is that which makes the music 
special even when technically it is lacking.  It may be that which you 
hear too, and why you recognize it so quickly.

--Bill
wtr@mitre.org
** Opinions are mine only, and not my employer's **
From: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com (Rob Gilde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:56:17 GMT
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Paul Tumolo <ptumolo@seq.csuhayward.edu>
Subject: jerry's ob;igation
Reply-To: ptumolo@seq.csuhayward.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:14:45 GMT

no one's more bummed out than me about the cancled shows- it just ain't
possible to be more bummed, but i don't feel jerry (or any of the boyz)
has any special obligation to any of us. 
jerry on;y obligation is to himself, to be himslef.
-paul
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:01:46 GMT

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Music vs. sound
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:14:37 GMT

In article <3436@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.003326.23756@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:
>>However, none of this really impacts upon the music, just on the sound. 
>
>	Well, what the hell's the difference?? 
>	
I dunno, wharfie- I think I made it pretty clear what the differnce between
the music and the sound is. I said that the music is the same on the tape and
at the show, and that the differnce was either A> exclusively in the audio-
quality of the tape Vs. whether you could hear well at the show <maybe you had
a cold, maybe you were out in the Hall where the sound is reflected from inside.or B> a purely subjective question of experience like whether you were having
a good time at the show and therefore fealt that it was a great show vs. 
you weren't at the show and have no nostalgic feeling for it other than how
well the tunes were played that night.
I don't think that's very esoteric to be honest.

>	It's really neat to be able to talk about music in such well-defined
>and precise terms, but it *does* seem to me to be along the lines of 
>talking about Zen, or counting those angels on the pin...  
>
I guess I just don't what your point is, it seems pretty clear to me and
its really not that complicated or convoluted. Maybe it's because I've
spent alot of time seperating subjective/objective experiences of music
by listening critically to tapes of myself playing or practiseing <most
musicians do this> and I know it feels one way when your playing it
and when you listen later you hear it differently, you usually focus
on the mistakes if your'e listening to it like I do, because you want
to know what to do differently the next time. I think it is similar
when you are at a concert, and when you're listening to the tape later
under less "special" circumstances. But, people listen in completely
different ways from one another, so maybe what I'm saying doesn't make
any sense to you.

>				"What is the sound of one band playing?"


     "A salmon swimming upstream- grasshopper"

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re:   The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.163035.7801@reed.edu> pha@reed.edu (Paul Anderson) writes:
>
>Someone (OK, I lost track) proposed that The Other One was in some
>key besides Mixolydian, and Someone Else denied it.
>
>My experience is that, while the chords are in the Mixolydian (most
>of it in an E major triad), the solo is played with a flattened
>third - a G natural. DESPITE the E major chord "beneath" it. Far as
>I know, this is normal practice in the six-note "blues" scale. 
>So the actual scale you play would have the same notes as a
>D major: E F# G A B C# D E.
>
>Anyone know what this is called? E Phrygian? Aeolian? Lesbian?
>

The scale you've spelled above is called a dorian mode. However, if you
include both the major and minor third as you described above, it becomes
an altered dominant scale <no sexual connotations implied>.
bq
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: No east coast
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug17.185819.1655@news.Hawaii.Edu> belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli) writes:
>I have to travel 2500 miles to see a California show and I'm glad to do it

	I'm not.  There's a lot to be said for being able to attend a festival
without having to save up for months and crash with friends 'cause you spent
all your money on plane fare.  

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Sean O'Connor 14-Aug-1992 1422 <oconnors@jupitr.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Fall Tour Cancelled
Reply-To: oconnors@jupitr.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:21:23 GMT


 It's confirmed.....I just saw it on CNN, Fall Tour is CANCELLED

Sean
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Re: You've got the right one, baby...uh huh
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:35:01 GMT

Rob T. writes:

|Has anyone out there ever really looked at the new Pepsi logo?
|Maybe I've been on the .net for too long, but it looks surprisingly
|similar to our beloved SYF logo

I saw a shirt at May Shoreline with a Pepsi logo in place of the lightning
bolt in the standard stealie skull. The back said "You Got the Right One
Jerry, Uh-huh!".

-Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: stephensd@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: INSTRUCTIONS FOR REFUNDS OF GDTS TIX
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:57:56 GMT

I am new to all of this, so please bear with me.
I put in a call to the California hotline last night 
(1-415-457-6388)  The message stated that the fall tour has
been cancelled.  It went on to say that those people who have 
received tickets from GDTS may return them for a refund.
As far as I can tell, the procedure is as follows...
Return the tickets to:
     GDTS - Refund
     Box C-F 8150
     San Rafael, CA 94912
They ask that you enclose your name ad the originall purchaser's
name (if someone other than yourself purchased the tickets)
Also include a self addressed stamped envelope.  Those people
who return their tickets befor September 17, 1992 will
receive a full refund.  This includes the face value of the 
ticket, plus the $2.50 service charge.  Those ticket
returned after 9-17-92 will receive the face value of the ticket 
only.  As I said, I am new to all of this.  I would appreciate
it if someone else could confirm these instructions and 
let me know if I have stated anything incorrectly.
This probably goes without saying, but I would suggest
that those people returning their tickets:
1.  photocopy them for your records
and 2. send them back to GDTS via registered mail.
If on the off chance that something goes wrong, you'll have
proof that you had the tickets and that you returned them in
a secure manner.
Feedback via e-mail would be appreciated.

*** get well soon, Jerry!***
Don.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jay Ludoviconi 407-796-2816 <ludovicj@pwfl.com>
Subject: Re: Trivia question
Reply-To: ludovicj@pwfl.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:42:19 GMT

| 
| What song has been sung by three different members of the Dead ?
| (lead singing throughout the whole song and at a Dead show)
| 

There's probably more than one, so go ahead and guess the one I heard
tonight.

Jay     ludovicj@pwfl.com
From: troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Ski Dead!
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:33:50 GMT
Organization: Right Coast HQ For Stupid Pub Tricks
In-reply-to: wac@world.std.com's message of 15 Aug 92 22:14:31 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Aug 92 22:14:31 GMT, wac@world.std.com (william a colbert) said:

	william> limited-edition Grateful Dead ski.  The Dark Star ski
	william> will be available in selected ski shops this fall.
	william> The topskin will feature familiar Grateful Dead
	william> visuals: "steal your face" skull and lightning bolt
	william> insignias; petal-shedding roses;and dancing

Gee, these sound like my Slalom boards that I raced on..!

Well there goes my novelty, just keep sticking them stickers on
them boards.. Now I have to go out and spend 450 bucks just
to stay 'hip'!!! :-)

Rod
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Subject: Re: Deadicated II - suggestions
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:21:07 GMT

Bill Andrejkow suggests...
>	Deadicated II - as I would have it:
>		Ziggy Marley: Fire on the Mountain
>		Phish: Scarlet Begonias
>		B.B. King: Minglewood Blues
>		Tracey Chapman: New Speedway Boogie
>		Neil Diamond: Lost Sailer


A few I've thought of (great suggestions, Bill and Emil)...

	Greatest Story Ever Told		Chuck Berry
	Victim Or The Crime			The Who
	Candyman				Willie Nelson
	Operator				John Lee Hooker 
	  (Emil suggested it, and I agree:-)
	Cumberland Blues			Newgrass Revival
	Shakedown Street			George Clinton
	Feel Like A Stranger			Neville Brothers
	Comes A Time				Neil Young
	  (He wrote his own, so why not?!;-)
	Terrapin Station			Pink Floyd
	Dire Wolf				Johnny Cash
	Brokedown Palace			CSN
	Loser					Willie Nelson
	Sugaree					Merl Saunders
	   (which is a current staple at Merl's gigs)
	
I'm sure I'll think of more "in all good time"...;-)	


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 |  No matter what comes down, the mission always looks the same,         |
 |  Come again..."							  |
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From: moffitt@chopin.udel.edu (Curtis Moffitt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Musical analysis and rec.music.gdead
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:49:59 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <l8lrs7INNmss@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
>I can, however, understand how someone with little training in music or
>interest in musical analysis might become overwhelmed, and I can imagine
>a situation where the dead-flames digest began to be dominated by these
>technical discussions.  Perhaps it would be good to move this traffic
>to a mailing list or a new newsgroup.  If it's to be a newsgroup, I'd 
>suggest the name rec.music.gdead.theory or rec.music.gdead.analysis.  
> ... stuff deleted ....
>If there are only several dozen people or so that would be interested
>in these discussions on an ongoing basis, then perhaps a mailing list
>would be more appropriate.
>
I would support the creation of a new newsgroup for discussing Grateful
Dead music theory....  I don't know how high of a volume of messages
we would get up to though.  Does anyone know how to set up a new newsgroup
like the one proposed?  I'm very interested.


>While I have all you musical sophisticates on the line, how about that
>9/10/91 Slipknot!, eh?  YOWZAH!

Hey, check out 10/19/89 Spectrum or 6/14/91 RFK.  Talk about Slipnkot! WOW
is RIGHT!!!!!

Later, Curt
Another .sig:
**** Mixolydian no longer exists, it was a figment of our imaginations ****
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 12:51:43 EDT
From: <SAUDA@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: CSN-acoustic...aug 30...syracuse NY

I have heard that Michael Hedges is opening.  If you get the chance see
him.  He plays a mean guitar (also known as heavy mental or Waka-Waka
guitar).  Last time I saw him he did a mean cover of the Who's Eminence
Front.  New age he may be labeled but he cannot be categorized.

ODC:  I to wish Jerry a speedy and healthful recovery and look
for other diversions in lieu of a Fall Tour.

Aduas
From: gt0021c@prism.gatech.EDU (Chris Edward Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: INSTRUCTIONS FOR REFUNDS OF GDTS TIX
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:08:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug15.095756.1@woods.ulowell.edu> stephensd@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>I am new to all of this, so please bear with me.
>I put in a call to the California hotline last night 
>(1-415-457-6388)  The message stated that the fall tour has
>been cancelled.  It went on to say that those people who have 
>received tickets from GDTS may return them for a refund.
>As far as I can tell, the procedure is as follows...
>Return the tickets to:
>     GDTS - Refund
>     Box C-F 8150
>     San Rafael, CA 94912

I would guess, based on past experience, that the PO Box should be C-S (C as
in Cigar, S as in Sam) 8150.  I believe the Dead use C-S 8150 and C-S 8190,
switching off as they see fit.  I have never heard of a C-F anything.

disclaimer: I have not heard the hotline message in question and there is 
always the possiblity that C-F has surfaced recently for GDTS usage.  I am 
merely suggesting that it would be wise to call and get the message yourself
or wait for a confirmation on this newsgroup before you mailed your tickets to
any address.

Still waiting on my MSG series one.  With my luck, I'll get second row seats
for each night.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHhh.

But that's OK.  I'd rather miss the Dead now and see them for many many many
years to come.  Get well Jerry.                     

 

-- 
Chris Perkins, Georgia Institute of Technology, MSM 1993 (?)
uucp: who cares?         Internet: gt0021c@prism.gatech.edu
'I was blind all the time I was learning to see'
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Taping Questions
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:48:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.174531.2814@medtron.medtronic.com>
ps9456@medtronic.COM (Pete Sperzel) writes:

>I have some questions about taping shows.

> what restrictions do the band and GDP put on taping.
>For instance, are DATs allowed, Do you have to supply battery
>power, how many taper tix are issued per show and does that
>vary per venue, how high can your mics go, etc. Any info will
>be greatly appreciated if not responded too immediately.

Dats are allowed (and quite common).  Reels are technically
prohibited, but I've seen them.  Very few venues supply power,
batteries are necessary.  The number of taper tix varies by venue, and
seems to be decreasing lately.  Most places, your mics can go as high
as your mic stands.  Tapes are for personal non-commercial use only.
Unauthorized reproduction or distribution is prohibited.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: ibmsupt!ibmpa!jannette.aix.kingston.ibm.com!jannette@uunet.uu.net (Jannette Pazer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Anyone tape any Newport Folk Festivals?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:18:54 GMT
Reply-To: ibmsupt!ibmpa!jannette.aix.kingston.ibm.com!jannette@uunet.uu.net
Organization: The Internet


Does anyone have tapes of any of the Ben & Jerry's Newport Folk Festival
shows?  Especially the one that happened this month, but I'm interested 
in any of the years.  Also interested in any high quality tapes of 
Michelle Shocked, Indigo Girls, Beausoleil and other Newport Fest folkies.  
Have lots of Dead, non-dead to trade.

Jannette

-- 
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uunet:
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Emil Petruncio <7039P@navpgs.bitnet>
Subject: Deadicated II Wishlist
Reply-To: 7039P@navpgs.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:05:12 GMT

Funny that John Wood should ask about Deadicated II ideas... the recent
Deadicated thread got me thinking about this very subject, but it didn't
come to fruition until Phil Gramm bored me silly with his monotone
delivery of the Rep. Convention keynote address, and I started jotting
my ideas down.  Here's what I came up with:

New Speedway Boogie            Cowboy Junkies
Operator                       John Lee Hooker
Dire Wolf                      John Prine
Sage & Spirit                  Leo Kottke
Brown-Eyed Woman               Bob Dylan
Shakedown Street               Neville Bros.
Fire on the Mountain           Bobby McFerrin
Don't Ease Me In               Los Lobos
Stella Blue                    Van Morrison
Sugar Magnolia                 Emmylou Harris
Looks Like Rain                Robbie Robertson
Lost Sailor => Saint
 of Circumstance               Jimmy Buffet
Cumberland Blues               Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

I'm sure alot of folks out there in netland have their own ideas...
let's hear 'em!  I had a hard time coming up with someone who could
sing High Time... John's suggestion of Leon Redbone sounded great to
me.

Emil T. Petruncio  BITNET: 7039p@navpgs  INTERNET: 7039p@cc.nps.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:57:12 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.221037.10907@sunspot.noao.edu>, brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
|>
|>By this I find it hard to belive as Jerry and the Dead are playing
|>they are thinking of modal jams, and all the various scales possible,
|>I hope they have more of an intutional feel for where they are and
|>where they go, possibly it is more emotion that dictates the actual 
|>music, which is why it is so well recieved by many types of people.
|>

This may be the way the Dead look at it (I haven't asked them), but
that doesn't mean that other musicians or people interested in 
this sort of *understanding* of music are off-base.  There are
many doors into the House ... 

I just don't understand why so many
people keep striving to tell others what they should post and
where they should post it.--

Joshua Yeidel               | yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu
Academic Computing Services | All standard disclaimers apply
Washington State University |   "Believe it if you need it, 
Pullman, WA 99164-1226      |     or leave it if you dare..."
509/335-0441                |         -- Robert Hunter
From: cw@socketintel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Veneta Fall show?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:33:12 GMT
Reply-To: cw@socketintel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Organization: OS Technology Engineering, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR

I just talked to a real person at the Veneta Country Fairgrounds
Hotline.  She says they are trying to set up a fall show in the
same place, but it's not for sure.  She said it is unclear whether
or not they will print new tickets, but firmly believes they will as it
could take time to explore possiblities and set this up and
we will have to go through the same ticket hassles.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: abrams@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Robert Abrams)
Subject: What's up?
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:12:49 GMT


Quite honestly, I was surprised that the topic of smoking at concerts even
came up.  So Garcia has a health problem, what else is new?  What does that
have to do with concert-goers and *their* tobacco habits?

Don't get me wrong, Garcia is my favorite guitarist and the Dead is my 
favorite rock and roll band.  But they are just a rock and roll band.
And like it or not, IMHO, Dead shows ARE just rock and roll concerts! 
Damn good ones of course, but nonetheless it's only rock and roll...
I'm sure that the members of the band feel that way too, with the possible
exception of Mickey Hart :-).

The bottom line is, IMHO of course, is that if you're going to go to rock
and roll concerts, you have to accept that some people there are going to be
drunk, stoned, assholes, smokers, nice people, people with body lice, etc.
Just part of the package...

If you don't like it, stay home and listen to your CD's and tapes.  Or
go to Neil Diamond shows :-)
 

Cheers!

Bob Abrams