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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:32:33 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
 <92Nov16.145211est.126@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> <BxttEK.BMF@cs.psu.edu>

In article <BxttEK.BMF@cs.psu.edu>, nagy@pl1.cs.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy) says:
>>One frequent poster was driven to posting about football
>>here in r.s.h (and how obnoxious Buffalo Bills fans are [ right! :-)]).
>>Not a word about the game. Guess he missed it.
>He probably did... We cannot pick up KDKA in State College...
    Two points here :
    1. Wake up Greg.  Maybe you missed the game, but ESPN does have a game of
the week on Fridays and this week it was Penguins-Red Wings.  We were able to
watch the game in reference here in State College, which I did.
    2. IN MY DEFENSE for the stupid football post to hockey, let me explain.
Yes, it was the 2nd time this week where I screwed up and posted something to
hockey instead of football.  I'm not used to posting to football, I rarely do.
Granted it's no excuse, but I'm sorry for my mistake.  I cancelled the article
about 2 seconds after I realized I posted it. There was nothing else I could do
    And, for those of you that read the rec.sport.football. post, you here
complaints about the State College/CMU people on net?  You should see some of
the Bills posts.  If they were Penguins fans, you'd want to kill them, 'cause
they are 100 times worse than some of the bandwagon Penguins fans you see here
on net.  I just wanted to put out a fact to them - that the Steelers were ahead
of the Bills as long as the Bills were wildcards.  But, I do give credit where
it's due.  IF you see my latest r.s.f. post, it says Bills are No. 1 in AFC.
You can't flame me if you have no idea what's going on.
    And thirdly, believe it or not, Pittsburgh has 3 sports teams, and surprise
here's a concept - some people actually root for all 3 teams that live in
Pittsburgh.  Granted, I have my season tickets to the Penguins so I like hockey
more than anything else, but I do enjoy watching the Steelers and Pirates, too.
    I made a stupid mistake by posting to hockey instead of football.  For now
on, I'll double check so I won't do it again.  There, are you happy?  There's
nothing else I can do about it.  I'm sorry I made a mistake.  Geez, I guess
some people expect everyone on r.s.h. to be a God, to make no mistakes.
** Rob **
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From: patrick@psych.toronto.edu (Patrick Keelan)
Subject: Re: Messier vs. Nielson
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.121057.10213@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Who's winning the Ranger Civil War...enquiring minds want to know.

>It is sort of ironic that the two teams with the best talent and chances
			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to defeat the Penguins, the Rangers and the Red Wings, both have
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>notorious losers for coaches.  

I think members of the Montreal Canadiens might question the validity
of that which is underlined above. :-)
-Pat K.
 U. of Toronto
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Subject: Re: ROY: question
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:04:10 MST
Distribution: na
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <92Nov19.121756est.120@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
> jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.131535.6754@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts) writes:
>>|> Could someone please either post or email me with the names of
>>|> the last 10 Rookies of the year and the teams they currently (maybe)
>>|> play on.
>>|> 
> 
> Of course, "There is only one winner", and "Nobody remembers who came in
> second", and "Second place is for losers", etc, but can anyone remember
> the runner up for these years?? I remember the ones who were
> (and now are) Red Wings, but can anyone remember the others?

Here ya go:

1992: Winner was Bure, runnerup was Lidstrom.
1991: Winner was Belfour, runnerup was Fedorov
1990: Makarov, Modano
1989: Leetch, Linden
1988: Nieuwendyk, Sheppard
1987: Robitaille, Hextall
1986: Suter, Clark
1985: Lemieux, Chelios
1984: Barrasso, Yzerman
1983: Larmer, Housley
1982: Hawerchuk, Pederson
1981: Stastny, L Murphy
1980: Bourque, Foligno
 
> I remember Linden/Leetch, because Don Cherry pointed out that Leetch
> was 4 (3?) years older than Linden and had the extra years of experience
> from playing with the US Olympic program.  He thought that when Linden
> reached Leetch's age he would be the better player. Wrong again Don!

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Linden contributes much more to the Canucks 
than just points. I think I'd rather have him on my team than Leetch. No doubt,
Leetch is one of the premier defencemen in the league, but in addition to his
offensive talents, Linden has a physical presence and leadership abilities.
He's much like a scaled-down Mark Messier.

								Alan
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From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)
Subject: Re: Penalty shot criteria?
Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.141155.18238@nynexst.com> fischman@nynexst.com writes:
>There are a couple of other instances when a penalty shot is awarded.  Throwing a 
>stick at the puck with less than 2 minutes remaining is one.  I'm not sure about
>this one, but I think if someone other than the goalie closes a hand on the puck
>in the crease, a P shot is awarded.
>

Well, you're right about second one (closing the hand on the
puck). However, I think that throwing the stick at the puck 
applies throughout the game and not only in the last 2 minutes.
Anytime a player throws his stick and the ref feels that it
impedes the attacking player (no matter how slightly), a penalty
shot is awarded.

Gary Leung
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Domi vs. Brown
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:01:16 GMT

In article <By0w5w.LBn.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
> Ok, Flyers and Rangers fans, give us the story...
> 
> Last night on the news they showed a clip of the Rangers/Flyers game.  In it
> Tie Domi squared off against Dave Brown.  From the clip, it looked like Brown
> beat the pants off Domi.  Well, at least beat the helmet off...
> 
> Did the self proclaimed "heavyweight champ of the NHL" go down to defeat
> last night?

Dave Brown has always been the Evander Holyfield of hockey. He's not nearly
as big a talker, or is talked about as much as others (Probert, Domi to name
2) but I don't ever remember seeing him lose a fight.

> Also, it looks like Jeff Beukeboom will now think twice before running Eric
> Lindros into the boards again.  Unless he likes ending up face down in the
> net.
> 
> Lori
> 

When Eric stood up with the net on his back, Mike Emrick remarked that we had
another steel cage match here at the spectrum tonight.

I have a feeling that a lot of people are going to start thinking twice about
running after Eric.

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: AHL standings and comments
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:34:04 GMT

AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS AS OF MONDAY MORNING, 11/23

NORTHERN DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Capital District	9-7-4	22	73	67
Providence		10-10-1 21	109	105
Springfield		9-6-3	21	77	74
Adirondack		9-10-3	21	80	86
New Haven		3-13-4	10	63	90

SOUTHERN DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Binghamton		16-2-3	35	108	70
Baltimore		7-9-5	19	86	93
Rochester		9-9	18	88	85
Utica			6-10-4	16	83	95
Hershey			5-12-3	13	73	91
Hamilton		3-12-2	8	55	80

ATLANTIC DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Cape Breton		12-6-1	25	101	86
St John's		12-6-1	25	89	69
Fredericton		10-4-3	23	78	52
Moncton			8-9-6	22	72	76
Halifax			8-11-1	19	73	87

SATURDAY				
Adirondack 4		Hamilton 3	("Do you believe in miracles...")
Fredericton 4		Moncton 1
Halifax 5		Cape Breton 2
Binghamton 3		Hershey 0
Springfield 4		New Haven 1
St John's 6		Rochester 1
Baltimore 5		Utica 4

SUNDAY
Capital District 8	Halifax 3
Utica 3 		Hamilton 3
Moncton 5		Rochester 3
Baltimore 3		New Haven 3

MONDAY 
Capital District at Cape Breton

NOTES:
This will be my last posting until Sunday. 
I will be gone until then so email sent to me won't
	be answered until then (so don't take it personally...:)

OTHER NOTES
Binghamton is still dominating despite the off season loss of top
goalie Mark LaForest and of the AHL's top young player, Rob Zamuner.
Bingo is sputtering along at a mere 16-2-3. The Rangers offense is 
averaging 5.1 goals per game.

Cape Breton has an unbelievable offense. Despite the fact that the
Oilers are allowing over 4.5 goals a game, they are 12-6-1. Why? Their
offense which is averaging almost 5.3 goals per game. Why are Dan
Currie and Shaun Van Allen still in CB? (this is a rhetorical ?;
I did see the discussion in rsh).

The Providence Bruins are also explosive: they are averaging around
5.2 goals per game but their defense is allowing 5.0 goals per game.

Adirondack finally won a game, 4-3 over hamilton. Thus snapping a
5 game winless streak (0-2-3). 
========================================================================
BRI FARENELL	    CLARKSON '95	FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU
ECAC and AHL contact for rec.sport.hockey		   Go USA hockey!
join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu
ADIRONDACK RED WINGS, Calder Cup Champs: '81  '86  '89  '92  
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Steven Rice?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:02:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.132653.7223@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.122522.17659@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.053415.21358@splunge.uucp> bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy) writes:
>>> [Stuff on Steven Rice, Currie and Van Allen deleted]
>>
>>One would think the Senators would offer the Oilers something for
>>Currie and Van Allen, since they probably could be obtained for
>>a reasonable price, because neither really fit into the Oilers's future.
>
>Well, here's a question then. Why aren't Currie and Van Allen in
>the Oiler's plans? I don't know much about Currie's stats, but
>Van Allen's stats in the AHL have been extremely good. Can
>anyone enlighten me as to why these two players (Van Allen
>specifically) do not fit into the Oiler's plans? 
>

Not good enough offensively to be first line players and not physical
enough to be second or third line players for a team that wants to
challenge for the Stanley Cup...and have been superseded as prospects
by younger players such as Vujtek, Beranek, Wright, and Rice.

However on a team like Ottawa, Currie and Van Allen could be reasonable
interim players...it is hard to imagine that they could provide less
offense than some of the players Ottawa is currently using.  Put
Peluso or one of Ottawa's other tough guys on a wing, and I think they
would be a reasonable expansion team line...certainly they wouldn't
make the Senators worse.

Gerald

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: doucas@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Chris Doucas)
Subject: HABS FANS: Team Roster please?
Organization: BHP Information Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:55:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey

Have pity on a Canadiens fan gone walkabout Down Under. Although I play
hockey down here, we only get 3rd/4th hand information on the NHL. We can
see a chosen game of the week shown 3 weeks after the fact. So I ask you

WHO IS ON THE CURRENT HABS ROSTER ?  HAS SAVARD QUIT YET?  IS THE FORUM
MOVING?   

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN ratings level off
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:31:25 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: The Bates Motel

dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>
>Well, part of the problem for me (and probably many others on the west
>coast) is that the games are at a rather inconvenient time -- they start
>at 4:30, and are pretty much over by the time I get home from work at 7
>
>This has always been a problem with ESPN -- I noticed it during baseball
>season, but since they usually broadcast two games in a row of baseball,
>it wasn't a big deal.  With hockey, it's one game, thank you and good
>night.

This was a point that also concerned me (since moving to the West
Coast is a definite and not undesirable possibility for me) ... if
there is an ESPN game from Eastern/Central Time, what about doing a
double-header with a game from Mountain/Pacific time?  This would be a
logistical problem with the Kings or the Sharks home games, who have
their own cable coverage, but not if it's a local coverage game by
the Oilers/Flames/Canucks and particularly between two Canadian
clubs.  Looks like U.S. teams' local coverage is a big stumbling
block ... and this year, they've been generous to ESPN! )-;

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Jesus Saves!
> gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.EDU 		Gretzky gets the rebound -
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			he shoots, he scores!
From: patchman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Canadiens No. 1 in NHL
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:46:57 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov17.082311.10217@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
><RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>>The Montreal Canadiens defeated the Boston Bruins last night to vault to No. 1
>>in the overall standings (as of this moment) with a record of 13-4-2.  Now, as
>>if I recall, people started an argument saying winning percentage is a better
>>indicator than points?  Well, with points, Montreal was ahead the enitre time
>>of Boston.  With percentage, it was Boston as the best, then Montreal had to
>>pass them up.
>
>But Boston didn't continue to play at the pace they were at. That is what the
>percentage indicates. Points doesn't tell you much at all about how a team is
>playing. 24 points? Is that good or bad? Depends on how many games you've
>played. Percentage doesn't have that problem. Montreal is ahead in percentage.
>That's good enough for me.

Percentage does have the problem in that if you've played fewer games your 
percentage can be deceptively high or low . . . . just like points can be.
What I mean is that if you play one game and win your pct. is 100.  But what
that doesn't tell you is that the team has only played one game.  So winning
percentage can be extremely deceptive for a low number of games.  A pct. of
100 may lead some to believe that the team is tearing up the league, crushing
all opponents, when in reality they may have won one game on a fluke goal
in the closing moments of the game.

The most effective way would be to look at the points and the number of games 
other teams have in hand over the leader (or how many games the leader has 
in hand over the other teams).  Actually it might be best to consider both 
points and win percentage, but I think win percentage only becomes an accurate 
stat after a good deal of games (i.e. 10 or 20).

>
>The point is: don't just say that a team is the best in the league if they've
>played more games than the competition. If they've played fewer, then you can
>brag.

Actually we can brag when the team that seems most adamantly supportive of win 
pct. (Boston) is handed a 6-3 loss by the team they complain is in first
because they played more games (Montreal).

Yes, I am a Montreal fan, but this discussion of win pct. being a more accurate
measure of the team standings is about as ridiculous is the recent discussion
of Eric Lindros being excluded from the Calder race because he refused to
play for Quebec.  Let's change the league to make our favorite team look 
better!




>
>Tom

-Pete

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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Subject: USENET Hockey Draft: password protection
Reply-To: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:28:20 GMT


A few weeks ago, I made the decision to forbid "snooping" other teams
because of requests made by some teams for me to do so.  I had previously
allowed this practice, as I didn't think it was a big deal.

I now have a solution that should please everybody.  I have set things up
so that you can put a password in my database, so that %log commands will
not work if you don't specify the correct password.  If you don't care if
your team is examined by others, you don't have to supply a password.

The new command to set a password is %passwd.  It's use is shown below:

%mail your_address
%begin your_team_name
%passwd your_password
(other commands)

The password is a single character sequence (max. length 31 chars).   The
first time you use %passwd, you are changing the password.  If you want to
change it again, you use the command twice:

%mail your_address
%begin your_team_name
%passwd current_password
%passwd new_password
(other commands)

Right now, nobody has a password.  I will give you two weeks to put one in,
and then I will stop screening requests for snooping.

I think this solution is sufficient: those who want privacy get it, those who
don't care aren't "penalized".

Note:  The teams Hurricane_Andrew (mine) and rec.sport.hockey_choices will
not be password protected.  I'm doing so lousy, nobody will look at my team
anyway.  :-)  I haven't been screening requests to look at our "communal"
team, and I won't start.
-- 
Andrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Division      | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253

I am the Angel of Death.  The time for purification is at hand.
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Trivia Questions (I don't have the answer?)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:58:18 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca
Summary: How did Isles get Lafontaine?  Orr plus 140?
Keywords: '84 draft, 3rd pick, +/-

I was looking at the draft pick back in 1984 when I noticed Lafontaine was
picked up by the Islanders third overall despite winning the cup and finishing
with 96 points.  So my question is ->

How did the Islanders get Lafontaine?

I believe NJ finished 3rd last, but they are in the same division.  

On another unrelated question, someone said Orr had the highest +/- rating
in history, a +140 something.  Can anyone verify this?

Tony

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: nagy@pl1.cs.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy)
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:39:55 GMT

In article <92Nov16.145211est.126@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>>Since the Red Wings contact already posted a summary, I'll just post a few 
>>thoughts.
>
>Ahhh...there you are Lori. I was beginning to wonder if some
>great natural disaster had befallen the city of PittsburgH. :-)
>(Or CMU's internet connection!)

...or maybe even that some people have a LIFE on weekends?

>
>After all, you can imagine my shock when I logged in on Monday
>morning and found virtually no postings from Penguin fans.
>
>Unusual? Enjoyable? You be the judge...

Yes.. It *was* enjoyable... I like the Pens, but even I can't stand all
the posts after each game. Especially those posted from another node on
my campus...

>
>>The Pens have to be at their lowest point this season.  The Quinn incident has
>>really rocked the team, and has affected their play.
>
>You are sure it was the Quinn incident?? Not the referee? Injuries?
>Bad ice?? Not bad food?? But bad sex.... :-)

An incident like this would sure effect me, but then again, *I* would
actually give a F*ck about any situations my friends and myself were in...

>
>> The Pens only got 10 shots on
>>goal the first 2 periods to the Wings 40.
>
>Yup. Sounds like the Quinn incident all right!

It certainly would... For a team that takes a lot of shots...

>
>> (KDKA TV carried the game locally.)
>
>Ohhh....so the game was on local TV. Meaning that if any Penguin fan
>in PittsburgH wanted to watch it, all they had to do was turn on the
>local cable channel??

*knock* *knock* Hello! McFly! Do they teach you anything about electronic
media up there in the Great White? That there looks like the call letters
of a BROADCAST station... That means you only need rabbit ears to pick it 
up, but you also need to be close to the station....

>
>Geez....I guess a plethora of the usual posters ("real" fans?) didn't
>bother to watch.

That's right... Some of us were "playing" hockey... Crazy concept here...
We call it "Participation"

>One frequent poster was driven to posting about football
>here in r.s.h (and how obnoxious Buffalo Bills fans are [ right! :-)]).
>Not a word about the game. Guess he missed it.

He probably did... We cannot pick up KDKA in State College...

>
>Another was reduced to posting CMU scores! Oh well...

Well, no reason for that, I guess. My HS team used to beat up on CMU in
scrimmage games. (Go Central Vikings! :)

>
>Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
>
>PS: Thanks for the summary/thoughts, Lori. At least you showed up!

Thanks for the lousy followup, Brian... Been looking for a loser to flame
since I put RAP115 in my kill file...



-- 
Greg Nagy   nagy@cs.psu.edu   nagy@love-shack.com   GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu

"I draw the line at styrofoam kernals, you pervert!" -- Jeff
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