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From: 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Falar De Portugal!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:28:18 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Ola'...
Nao ha por ai' ninguem que goste de falar do pai's.....
De parte de Portugal sao e que sitios na vossa terra devo visitar..
quando for a Portugal pelo natal....

Resido nos Estados Unidos....
E gostava de visitar partes de Portugal que nunca ouvi ou conheco..
Ate' mais logo
Feliciano Pereira
E.U.A
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: cmsa@eniac.inesc.pt (Carlos Azevedo)
Subject: Re: Futebol 4a Jornada
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:45:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.115052.4486@animal.inescn.pt> cvc@bruna.inescn.pt (Carlos Vaz de Carvalho) writes:
>
>Resultados:
>
>Tirsense- 3 Porto- 1
>Famalicao- 1 Benfica- 0
>Braga- 0 Sporting- 0
>Qualquer semelhanca dos resultados desta jornada com a realidade e' pura coincidencia. Diga-se 
>entretanto que os grandes perderam justamente ( e em alguns casos poderiam ter perdido por mais !).

Mas ainda mais curioso foi o facto do Joao Soares nao ter comentado a
brilhante DERROTA da sua estimada equipa (FCP). De facto ele deveria
ter dado gracas ao Senhor por terem conseguido marcar um golinho...

Igualmente brilhante foi a derrota do Benfica e o empate do Sporting. So
e' pena as "pequenas" equipas nao conseguirem manter o ritmo ate ao
final do campeonato.

Carlos Azevedo
From: abreu@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Abreu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: Futebol 4a Jornada
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:15:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Sep14.143338.2946@inesc.pt> fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel 
Vasconcelos) writes:

 [...]
 > Este resultado que sirva de exemplo para quem duvidava que o Maritimo
 > tivesse equipa para um lugar europeu. Aparentemente o Maritimo arrasou
 > o Gil Vicente.
 [...]

MARITIMO, TCHAM TCHAM TCHAM! MARITIMO, TCHAM TCHAM TCHAM!

E viva no's!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: JRGS@db1.cc.rochester.edu (JORGE SOARES)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: re: futebol
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:32:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Caro Luis ,
Isso de sua excelencia se meter com dois Soares de uma s'o vez pode ser muito
inconveniente, ainda por cima logo dois tripeiros com sangue transmontano, nao
sei se l^es Torga mas covem saber que essas coisas dao azar.
 Caso fosse a brincar, vai brincar com os tomates do teu pai.-)-)
Um abraco 
 Jorge Soares
 -----  Nota a diferenca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: BI's em Portugal
Organization: INESC
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:03:26 GMT

From: ja2v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joao S Albuquerque)

>* Sera racismo
>
>Afinal ha portugueses de segunda. Os postos moveis de atendimento do
>arquivo de identificacao nao atendem nascidos no estrangeiro ou no
>ultramar. Porque? "porque e um processo tratado em separado que requer
>mais cuidados. E porque nos postos nao ha funcionarios preparados para
>este tipo de casos". O ridiculo e que nestes casos a unica diferenca e
>que, por vezes , o requerente tem de voltar ao arquivo para completar o
>processo. Em conclusao , diz o director do arquivo de identificacao, "em
>primeiro lugar e mais conveniente para os servicos, e tambem para o
>utente".

A noticia ja' tem barbas, conforme podem ver de seguida.
Eu nasci no estrangeiro, tenho cor branca e possuo BI portugues desde 1967.
Em 1983 fui renovar o meu BI e mandaram-me para o "guichet" dos nascidos no
estrangeiro/ultramar. Tive de entregar uma declaracao de nascimento para
renovar o BI. Em 88 voltei para renovar o meu BI mas ja' nao foi
necessario dirigir-me a esse "guichet" porque eles ja' tem nos arquivos
essa declaraco.

Logo, o problema nao e' de racismo, apenas burocracia em excesso.

All the best...

---Crespo

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
Subject: Re: Futebol
Organization: INESC, Lisboa, Portugal
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:59:06 GMT

Eu nao sei ao certo se as duas anteriores mensagens eram
a serio ou a brincar. Se eram a brincar, nao se 
esquecam que ao lerem as pessoas nao advinham. Utilizem
:-) :-) para mostrar que estao a ironizar. 

Se eram a se'rio entao tenham paciencia mas escusam de
ser malcriados por tao pouco :-) :-)


-- 
Fernando Manuel Hourtiguet de Vasconcelos ( INESC ) 
Email:  fmhv@inesc.inesc.pt  Phone: +351 (1) 3100216 Fax: +351(1)525843 
Adress: Rua Alves Redol No 9, sala 208 Apartado 10105 
	1017 Lisboa CODEX - Portugal 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo)
Subject: Resumos Expresso 92/09/05
Organization: INESC
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:13:26 GMT

Como a SCP tem estado "morta", nem sei porque ainda continuo a mandar as
noticias ca' do burgo! Talvez seja para desnuviar a "tensao" da recta
final da escrita da tese...

*) Durante as ferias parlamentares, Freitas do Amaral ocupou o lugar de
deputado a fim de completar os oito anos de mandato.
Este pequeno "truque" permite assegurar uma pensao vitalicia de cerca de
200K/mes.

*) Cardoso e Cunha vai deixar em Janeiro o lugar de comissario europeu e
para ocupar o lugar de presidente da EXPO'98.
O Expresso levanta a hipotese de Braga de Macedo, o actual ministro das
financas, ser o novo comissario europeu a indicador por Portugal.

*) O ministro da saude vai fechar tres clinicas particulares devido a
negligencias medicas. Em causa esta' o Hospital Particular de Lisboa
que teria efectuado uma transfusao de sangue incompativel: o doente
foi enviado de urgencia para o Curry Cabral.

*) O Exercito vai afastar o capelao-militar madeirense por este ter
subscrito o documento "Mais democracia, melhor democracia".

*) Inter-Rail, que permite aos jovens ate' 26 anos viajar pela europa
de caminho de ferro por 43K, deve acabar. Em causa esta' a "invasao" de
jovens nordicos aos paises do Sul (Portugal, Espanha, Italia e Franca).
A CP quixa-se que esta "invasao" cria dificuldades porque coincide com
as viagens dos imigrantes.

*) Abobada do mercado municipal de Ilhavo (Aveiro) caiu, apesar do LNEC
ter afirmado nao haver problemas. O LNEC afirma em sua defesa que a 'pala'
desrespeitava o projecto inicial.
Na altura da queda o mercado estava vazio.

Entretanto, o LNEC ja' deu o acordo para utilizacao da pala no estadio
de Alvalade.

*) Ligacao por auto-estrada de Setubal a Marateca devera' estar concluida
no segundo semestre de 94.

*) Para o OGE-93, o Governo preve uma taxa de inflacao 5-7% e os
ministerios deverao reduzir despesas num valor real de pelo menos 5%.
O PIDDAC deve crescer entre 12 a 14%.

*) Novo parque de Ciencia e Tecnologia da Area de Lisboa ja' reservou
120 hectares para uma dezena de empresas e instituicoes (Instituto de
Soldadura, INESC, Multibanco,...). As construcoes estao em curso e os 
primeiros utentes devem chegar em 1993.

All the best...

---Crespo
-- 
Rui Gustavo Crespo

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese
From: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu (Glauber)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: (n.) Body of persons united for a specific purpose.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:47:00 GMT

In article <pzpn99n.kls@netcom.com> kls@netcom.com (Kim L. Serkes) writes:
>Uma merda, isto! E posivel trancar a porta?  Entrar em contayo com as
>authoridades competentes? O talvez so e` preciso quebras os dedos dele, po^!
>

E' bem possivel que alguem tenha entrado em contato com o
sysadmin dele (ja' que ele postou para dezenas de grupos e
deve ter irritado alguns milhares de pessoas). Se ele voltar
a tripudiar, o procedimento e' mandar email para ele
explicando que isto nao se faz, etc. Se nao resolver, mandar
email para sysadmin@nome_do_sistema_dele, e e' bem provavel
que o administrador receba e de um jeito nele. Se nao
resolver, ai' e' so' killfile mesmo.

Na pratica, e' mais facil nao esquentar a cabeca e meter logo
o individuo no killfile.

					Glauber


-- 
Glauber Ribeiro - Wheaton College, IL  (USA)
                  glauber@david.wheaton.edu 
                  glauber@vpnet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese,sci.lang
From: pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES)
Subject: Re: Nasalisation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:49:00 GMT

In article <16858130F0.JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU>, JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes...
>In article <1992Sep4.065532.23315@inesc.pt>
>jlb@thor.inesc.pt (Jose' Luis B. Borbinha) writes:
> [...]
>>:
>>: Yes indeedy:  surely you will by now have thought of the minimal pair
>>: /ma?u/ 'bad' vs. /ma~?u/ hand in the Orgosolo dialect!
>>                    ^^^^^
>>                   /ma~o/
>>--
>I am somewhat puzzled by this post too.  The /ma~o/ (the only addition
>made by the poster, is not Orgosolo, or any other Campidanese dialect,
>as is clear from the final /o/, an impossibility in that dialect area,
>which has only extreme vowels in final position.  The glottal stop of
>Orgosolo has also been left out, which is incorrect (although further
>west in places like, say, Guspini the word would be /ma~u~/.  This also
>lets me remind viewers that I perhaps should have given /ma~?u~/, since
>nasalization spreads, as I mentioned elsewhere, but then to write it in
>a "phonemic" (or "broad" if you prefer) transcription is unnecessary.
>Perhaps I have missed what the replier was trying to get across.  The
>word he cites could pass for Portuguese, almost, if either the slashes
>were removed, or the nasalization spread to final vowel  -- at least in
>Brazilian Portuguese.
> 

Maybe you (both) weren't aware of the cross-posting (sci.lang and
soc.culture.portuguese).  I believe the person who added /ma~o/ was
trying to correct your spelling  (maybe he interpreted the question
marks as doubt and not glottal marks).  Quite understandable as
"ma~o" is Portuguese for hand and "mau" Portuguese for "bad" :-)

I don't think that the nasalization spreads to the final vowel in the
Portuguese spoken in Portugal, where diphthongs tend to be pronounced
as a single sound, the final vowel almost disappearing, as opposed to 
(at least some dialects of) Brazilian Portuguese where they become two
distinct sounds. (Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm relying only on my own
personal experience.) 

BTW, where are Campidanese dialects spoken? 

---Rui
Xref: sparky soc.culture.portuguese:1609 soc.culture.brazil:2323
From: joao+@CS.CMU.EDU (Joao Costeira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.portuguese,soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:18:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bu9Jr4.46r.1
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <qbrngj-.kls@netcom.com>, kls@netcom.com (Kim L. Serkes) writes:
|> >killfile  E' bom conselho.  Eu escrivi' a este idiota, em forma bem calma,
|> respeitoso.  Recibi uma resposta absurda, falando do "discrimina@o contra
|> os muselmanios do mundo" (e aqui em Usenet) e diziendo que "o mundo preciso
|> ouvir a verdade de Muhammad."
|> 
|> Mais uma coisa absurda neste cagada: uma outra idiota envie DEZENAS da
|> mensagems (e-mail) a mim, creendo que  o autor dos mensagems muselmaniacos
|>   ;-) era EU!

-- 
 O gentes, o mocinho esta so a divertir-se a nossa conta 8-). Diz-lhe que
tiveste um sonho premonitorio em que os filhos dele se refastelavam com grandes pernas de porco assado, chouricos varios e tudo regado com bom vinho. O calendario indicava um qualquer dia bem no meio do ramadao por volta da hora do almoco! 
  Joao Paulo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi)
Subject: Re: Foreigner in Japan.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:41:39 GMT

In article <PASCAL.92Sep8135345@ap22.apd.cpg.sony.co.jp> pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey) writes:

[some omitted]

>	Do the Japanese talk to me in English because they don't like that
>foreigners speak their sacred language, or do they think that in any case,
>their English is better than the Japanese of a yankee-like foreigner ?
>        Is there (as I hope) another explanation ?

  I suspect still some Japanese would be shocked when a non-Japanese-like
person talk to them in Japanese. They know how difficult it is to learn
foreign languages. They know how different Ural-Altaic languages are
from other languages.

>	What would Japanese think if they were systematically replied in
>Chinese (which must be one of the first spoken languages in the world and
>which must be the first spoken language of Asian people) when they go abroad.

  I have been spoken to in Chinese many times by Americans and Chinese.
There are a number of Chinese students and scholors in Princeton.
You'll be right by 99% here if you assume a person, who looks like
oriental and sounds like a foreigner, would be Chinese.
  A conference, I attended in this summer, was dominated by Chinese
students and scientists. Eh, there're also a bunch of Americans, I guess.
Anyway, I was mistaken twice as a Chinese student.
  Honestly, my first reaction in my mind was a kind of disappointment. I
somehow enjoy being a minority. It's my personality. If I had been
spoken to in Thai or Vietnamese, I wasn't disappointed. I don't
recognize either of the lauguages, though.
  Being disappointed was my problem. Now I just take it easy. I'm no
longer disappointed by this.
  OK. A good sentence for you to say when you're spoken in English:

    Boku Eigo Wakan Nai!
    (I don't understand English at all!)

Keep speeking in Japanese.
...Wataru
-- 
  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu
From: mdewitt@btr.btr.com (Mark DeWitt  mdewitt@btr.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: test
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:07:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

This is a test, pleas disregard
1. no
2. yes

ok

This document is one of several files that come with Word to provide 
complementary or late-breaking information as a supplement to the standard Word 
documentation. The Install program installs these documents in the Word folder 
on your hard disk.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Subject: Re: Foreigner in Japan.
Reply-To: weigert@mcs.anl.gov
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba-shi, Japan
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:07:39 GMT

PG> Nntp-Posting-Host: ap22


PG> 	Do the Japanese talk to me in English because they don't like that
PG> foreigners speak their sacred language, or do they think that in any case,
PG> their English is better than the Japanese of a yankee-like foreigner ?

The following is my own biased opinion: They answer in English because they
cannot possibly conceive that somebody non-Japanese is speaking Japanese
(of course, everybody knows that there are non-Japanese speaking Japanese,
but somehow, in encounters such as those you describe, that seems to matter
little). 

I could cite lots of examples where I have been with people whose Japanese
is at a level that at the phone they are taken for Japanese, but trying to
order food in a restaurant, all they get as response is some kind of
piginized English.

Cheers, Thomas.

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From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:40:27 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <18nbjrINNasb@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, keis@psy.uwa.oz.au
(Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

=> It's not the way you say it that matters but the content of a message.
=> I assumed that a person was lining up at a wrong line because she looks
=> non-Japanese. What in the name why did I assume that she does not know
=> about what she was doing?  I am guilty of casting a judgment before
=> learning truth - a prejudice.

Don't be silly, Otsuka-San. Should we stop trying to be kind and helpful
because of the risk of being considered prejudiced? In all likelyhood,
that person was in the wrong line by mistake. I don't think you did
anything wrong, and certainly your intentions were in the right place.

Well.... now you know, but maybe next time you can say, "Excuse me,
but sometimes people get in the wrong lines. Are you a Japan resident?"

And if they thow a temper tantrum, run over to nearest fire box and
hose 'em down.

- Bill
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:19:33 GMT
	<jwb.715998306@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> <18k79qINNrd0@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
	<18lmduINN1gg@agate.berkeley.edu> <1653@frf.omron.co.jp>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

My Dad is pretty poor at interpersonal communications skills and he knows it.
To make for this deficiency he frequently tried being an asshole. He learned
the hard way that this can be costly when dealing with those who have the power
to return the favor. Returning from Japan where he had purchased one camera
lens the agent asked if he had anything to declare. Dad said he bought one
lens. The agent asked to see a receipt. Thinking that he would bully the agent
into not pursuing the issue my Dad made an exasprserated gester and a smartass
remark. The agent very calmly told my Dad and my Mom to open very single bag.
The agent then proceeded to very carefully remove every single item from each
and every bag, including all the zipper pockets, my Mom's cosmetic case, and
every other container he could find. When all of my parents' belonging were
arrayed on the table the agent said, "well, I don't see any problem, have a
nice day." And he walked away.

Four years of shore patrol taught me that I'm going to exert far more positive
influence on a given situation by being pleasant and accommodating than by
being belligerent and rude. Kind, polite, and honest has gotten me a long way
when dealing with "the system". 

smittie

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:45:55 GMT

In article <1653@frf.omron.co.jp> jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:
>
>
>You sound like it's your fucking God-given right to breeze through the
>international airport of your choice.
>
>If you are not Japanese, and you wish to enter to Japan, IT IS YOUR
>PRIVLIDE, NOT YOUR RIGHT.  If, for example, the Japanese government wants
>to have it so that people named Henry have to cluck like a chicken to get
>in (unless it's Tuesday or they are wearing a blue shirt), then either put
>up with it or STAY OUT.



Hmmmm that almost sounded like David Duke at his best here in the U.S. of 
'God dammit we are white and superior' A.

Seriously though, most international airports should have *fast* and 
*well mannered* agents. Every job has its stress levels and needs a certain
amount of paitence. If an immigration officer is rude or arrogant that
person is not doing their job! Remember .. the customer is always right.
If I were a Japanese tourism or trade official ... I'd think every visitor
who tried to enter the country legally would be a 'customer'.

On the other hand, while I'd expect myself to behave in a well decent manner
I also think there are assholes out there who might not behave in the same 
manner .... but then did honda ever turn down a customer cuz he was a loud
mouth????

Oh well .. just my two pennies worth of idealism .. and I am back to lurking.

Shriram


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From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese Customs (not Immigration)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 12:54:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

I don't think it matters whether you dress casually or spiffy.
They are looking at people's behavior rather than their attire.
A friend of mine believe that his moustache was the cause of
a spontaneous search of his baggage because it didn't happen
before without a moustache. I have a moustache and dress very
casually when I fly but I was never asked to open my suitcase
in the past 20 years, except one time when I came back with
an empty ATA specification computer transport box. The Customs
officer wanted to verify if it was indeed empty. I can certainly
understand that. How many travelers come home with an empty
transport case?  

On the other hand, airport security people are more suceptable
to the clothing. I went through a full bodycheck, including
a firm push a way below my waste line (reminds me of May West's
famous line) to see if I am concealing a weapon. I didn't
see business types going through a full body check around
that time. A security guy didn't ask where I was heading though.
I was on the way to San Francisco.

In another occasion, I went to Metropolitan Police Headquaters
in Tokyo to get a police certificate on the day when the Chinese
Premier (Butcher of Students in Tienanmen Square) came to Japan.
Right wingers were protesting against the head of PRC government
and the police was on full alert. I was stopped by every single
cop and being inquired a reason for a visit during a short trip
from the outer gate of the headquaters to the lobby. I don't
dress up just to get a police certificate, you see. I was lucky
they didn't ask my opinion about the Chinese visitor. If I said
I consider him as a murderer and a persona nongrata to Japan, they 
might wanted to keep me a while to be on a safer side.  :)