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From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling (was Re: Bikes and sidewalks)
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:57:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.154031.27696@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu>, jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James Gillespie) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.112151.10992@waikato.ac.nz> jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> >In article <1992Sep23.143209.18599@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
> >	What about C),  tilt the bike over between your legs so that more
> >metal is facing the ground.  It is this which will set off the lights,  as 
> >they are controlled by metal detectors, not weight.  Keep an eye out for the
> >cut marks from when these were installed,  and you can trigger them off quite
> >easily.
> >
> This is not always the case.  I know for a fact that the light sensors in
> Northern Virginia are weight activated.  There were several letters in the
> papers a while ago from motorcyclist who didn't have enough weight to trip
> the light.

I've lived in No. Va. for 3 years, and haven't run into any of the weight-
activated ones.  However, I haven't run into any properly adjusted electrical
ones either.  My nemisis is the intersection of Quinn St. and Key Blvd. in
Rosslyn.  Key Blvd. is even a designated bike route.  I've tried leaning the
bike at this one - it won't work.  I even got off and laid the bike down, no
go.  But I did find that if I do a tight, quick S-turn over the cable groove
(so the bike leans sharply one way, then the other while in motion), I get
it to trigger more than half the time.  'course anyone watching would think
I was wierd.  Best I can figure is that the device is sensitive to a rapid
change in the induced current.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
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From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
Subject: Re: East Coast Greenway -- A Bike Trail from Boston to Washington, DC
Organization: Usenet Armchair Enthusiasts
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.160233.119912@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:

[list of east coast greenway contacts deleted]

>Does anyone know if any of these people have electronic 
>mailing addresses?

Please read your FAQ's in news.announce.newusers -- the best way to
find out if someone has an email address is to call them up and ask
them.  If you want to do something about the East Coast Greenway, I've
given you all the tools you need -- a phone number and an address to
write to.
-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling (was Re: Bikes
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:32:08 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:06:20 GMT
>FROM:   Marc San Soucie <marcs@slc.com>
>[material deleted]
> When I ride in downtown Portland, I frequently
>see cyclists running stops and reds without so much as slowing down.

I *occasionally* see this too, and it always amazes me. Not because it's
illegal, or offends motorists, or gives them an excuse for thinking we 
don't belong on the road (they don't need an excuse) -- but because it 
seems wildly dangerous. I always slow  down and reconnoiter before 
going through a light  and make sure I have plenty of margin.

I wouldn't say it's a frequent thing to see in my experience, though.
Anybody out there willing to 'fess up to being a full-bore 
red-light runner? Is there a theory behind it that I haven't thought of?
From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Ultimate cycling city _ Beijing
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:02:51 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Sep28.043305.2939@schbbs.mot.com> CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey) writes:
>I haven't had an opportunity to actually ride over here yet (to
>be truthful, I'd be more comfortable on a wet criterium), so I'm
>not sure how the aerobic rider would fit in, but given a chance,
>I'd like to try.
>

Try riding outside the city.  Ride to the Great Wall and the Thirteen
Tombs and other wild places in the suburb/country.  I had never done
it myself but I'll surely do it when I pay a visit.  Do their
"mountain bikes" work well?  Gee, after living and riding in the states
for so long, I've forgotten what it was like to ride on Beijing streets.
I guess the skills we acquired there had gone a long way.

I hope the weather is still good for riding.  September was always the
best month.  Mild temperatures and blue skies.

Enjoy!

jen
				Proud driver of the copper Univega; wanna ride?
     o~__        o~		B. Jennifer Zheng,	916-649-3576
     ,> <       /|>		jenny@unify.com,	1 down, 35 to go!
     O   O      < \		Ride Bike.		13 down, 9 to go!
From: ROCKY@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Rocky Essex - University of Florida)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: I'm The PERSON
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:44:41 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

I'm The PERSON....
 
After hearing about the recent cyclist death in Gainesville I was reminded of
something I wrote about year ago when I first started to ride my bike both
for transporation and exercise.  Several times then and since when motorists hav
passed me, someone will scream, shout or try to get as close to me and my bike
as possible to scare me.  Well most of the time they get what they want, but
just maybe one time they'll get more than what they want.  READ ON.....
 
I'm the person that rides his bike to work 'just to get some exercise'.
 
I'm the person that rides his bike to work 'just to be energy conscious...'.
 
I'm the person that rides his bike to work 'because his car is broken...'
 
I'm the person that rides his bike to work 'because he lost his license ...
for whatever reasons'...
 
I'm the person that rides his bike to work 'just because he wanted too..'
 
But one day while riding for need, fun, exercise or just because I wanted too,
someone in a passing vehicle yelled out or slapped his door and scared me right
into the path of the vehicle they were in or the one behind it.  Such a shame
that something someone thought was so cute --- now is a statisitic.
 
Now YOU ARE THE PERSON that has to live with the thought that ONE STUPID,
uncaring act has ended the life of someone YOU NEVER KNEW.
 
Now YOU ARE THE PERSON that has to live with knowing that YOU caused the driver
of the car you were in or the one behind you the grief, hardache and liable of
taking someone's life you or they never knew.
 
Now YOU ARE THE PERSON that should have to tell my wife her husband's been
killed by one stupid act and now she'll have to raise the two children alone.
 
Now YOU ARE THE PERSON that should have to look into my little 4 year old girl's
beautiful blue eyes and say, Your daddy won't be coming home anymore because I
did a stupid impulsive act that got him killed.
 
Now YOU ARE THE PERSON that should also have to look into my little boy's eyes
and say you don't have a daddy anymore because I did something really stupid and
now he's dead.
 
Now YOU ARE THE PERSON that should understand NOW before anything terrible
happens that a vehicle is nothing to be fooling around in.  You should also
realize that bicycles are considered vehicles in Florida and have the same
rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES that motor vehicles do.
So now that YOU ARE THE PERSON that knows all this, PLEASE try to SHARE the
roads with cyclists and not be a hindrance or even worse --- THE CAUSE OF A
NEEDLESS, SENSELESS DEATH!
 
Rocky Essex
University of Florida                        o
Tri-Gator Team             ___^o_    __o    <|\
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: ROOLING STOPS
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:38:48 GMT

>In article <901003l.5.717257757@ace.acadiau.ca>
901003l@ace.acadiau.ca (MISMA LEBLANC) miscues: 

>> ...  By rooling I mean much reduced speed.

In article <1992Sep26.172831.9520@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu>
jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James Gillespie) observes: 
>Shouldn't this be rolling?  (Otherwise known as a California stop?) 
So,
do you have an answer to the question, or
are you just moderating the spelling bee today?



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
Subject: Re: bike trail info wanted
Organization: Four Wheels Bad, Two Wheels Good
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.180054.15890@husc3.harvard.edu> ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose) writes:
>Can anyone provide information on something called the East Coast Bike
>Trail, supposedly to run from Boston to Florida?

I think you're talking about the "East Coast Greenway" plan, which runs
from Boston to Washington, DC, via New York and other urban centers.
The route is to be mostly off road, and 80-90% of it already exists on
canal towpaths and railroad tracks converted (or to be converted) to bike
paths.  Some of the connectors will be on regular city streets or other
facilities -- for example, to get from New York to New Jersey on the Greenway
route, one uses the Staten Island Ferry and then rides to the Bayonne Bridge.

For more information on the East Coast Greenway, try calling 718 624-0346.
I'll try to get an electronic brochure posted here soon.
-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,dc.driving,dc.general
From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: Re: Commute, a beautiful morning...
 
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.115706.24258@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>I just had to let folks know about my commute this morning. I biked in
>to work 15 miles and saw 3 deer, a fox, and a nice (not great)
>sunrise. The only animals I tend to see while driving are dead. Isn't
>this a wonderful reason to bike commute.
>
>Thank You,
>
>Daniel W. Woycke             |"I went out drinking with Thomas 
>The MITRE Corporation	     |Paine..." -- Billy Bragg
>7525 Colshire Drive (MS Z213)|"But I am still thirsty..."
>McLean, VA   22102           |-- Arrested Development
>woycke@mitre.org, woycke@smiley.mitre.org

Well, I have to tell everyone about MY drive here for the duration of last week:I saw a rakoon, a fox, and plenty of squirels, all package-ready for the "road-
kill cafe".  I am, by the way, thinking about biking here once in a while when the wheather  (and by bicycle) get better.
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: no bicycles allowed on Main Street
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:17:26
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1992Sep24.131342.8941@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com's message of 24 Sep 92 18:13:42 GMT

>> ordinance forbids bicycle riding on the two main streets.
>> The village requires cyclists to walk their bikes on those
>> streets.
> This kind of law is very common, and typically applies to
> shopping areas with lots of pedestrians.
>
> Use of public roads is not a right, so I wouldn't get too
> upset about this particular ordinance.

=o= Use of public roads is as much not a right for motorists
as for cyclists.  Indeed, the problem is undoubtedly caused
by the motorists.  There's no reason cyclists should have to
suffer for it.
    <_Jym_>
__
I will never apologize for the United States of America,
ever.  I don't care what the facts are.
    -- President George Bush
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling (was Re: Bikes and sidewalks)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:09:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.194428.24338@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rupertdj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Dennis J Rupert) writes:
>
>> 
>> NJC
>Hey some of us are teenagers!! I hope I never blow by your old fogey ass  
>in a 
> 53x12!!
>
>DR

Want to race! ;-} My above comment that triggered this response was about
teenagers in CARS. I probably should have added high school teenagers. (That
is the predominant group of teenage drivers in this area.) They're new to
driving, and get consumed by power (HP). I was in this boat once too, but the
cost of it killed my wanting. I've had HS teens blow by within inches on an
empty road. I've had them attempt to grab the bike while they're going 50. And
I've had bottles thown at me. Now how do I id a HS teen vs other teens? I'm
glad you asked. Look for the parking lot ID on the back bumper. In my area
the school colors are used on the ID. Anyway enough ranting and raving. Lets
cycle.

NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Subject: Re: Commute, a beautiful morning...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:45:32 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Summary: for skunks, go into unstealth mode.

In article <1992Oct5.182506.23004@csi.uottawa.ca>, pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Peter Hickey) writes:
> 
> Yes, I love the animals I see on my comute.  One day, I came
> quite close to a skunk.  That was fun.  How many netters have
> run into skunks while cycling?
> 

A lot of skunks wander around Berkeley's streets near the University
late at night in the Fall.  As I also happened to be cycling home
from my lab in those neighborhoods, I worried about the skunks.
I was lightless (and thus partly sightless).  So I was invisible
and silent.  The skunks were invisible and silent.  I could only
know they were near ;-).

The solution that I thought of (but never implemented) was...are you
ready for this...to attach *baseball cards* to my fork or stays!
(For international readers, a 3x5inch--whoops, I mean 7.5cmx12.5cm--stiff
paper card will do.  Clip it to the stay such that the other end
drags against the spokes.  Makes pedal cycle sound like motor cycle.
Multiple applications increase effect.)

Here in Allentown there are many skunks wandering around in my neighborhood
at night.  Nowadays I can see and be seen while on my commuter.  But the
machine is still silent.  When I smell a skunk, I start ringing my
warning bell lightly.  One evening, the smell was real strong.  I arrived
home safely.  My dog came home 10 minutes later.  He was not so lucky.
Of course, my luck was gone too.

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA  (Hope that I don't get flamed for posting here).
gem@aloft.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling (was Re: Bikes
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 02:28:23 GMT

David Casseres (casseres@apple.com) writes:

> Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today, but it seems there's a huge outpouring
> on the theme of "any cyclist who ever breaks a traffic regulation is a
> traitor to safe cycling and is to blame for the bad behavior of motorists."

I've attended meeting of my local Citizens' Participation Group, a county
government opinion-gathering body, in disguise as an auto driver, and have
heard near-neighbors of mine complaining loudly about the poor behavior of
cyclists who run stop signs and red lights in plain view. Had I not been
there to stick up for the well-behaved cyclists among us, there might be a
single, one-sided view presented to the county government about our area's
feeling toward cyclists. Who knows whether this would have a tangible 
impact on cyclists?


> ... I don't kid myself that motorists are made the tiniest bit better
> by my good behavior...

Not all motorists, for sure. Azzoles (nice word) are azzoles, and usually 
always will be. However, a lot of drivers simply have no experience with 
cyclists on the road, and react with anger because they really don't know 
what the heck to do. If the cyclists all behave as much as possible like 
cars (as they're requested to do by the law), car drivers are likely to 
feel less uncomfortable in their presence. Since most of them really can't 
predict what a single cyclist is going to do, there's a problem.

This is one case where uniformity (up to a point) works to our advantage.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: Dangerous situation - advice wanted
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:03:34 GMT


In article <1992Sep24.190459.21902@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
 > An alternative way of looking at the situation:  what you have done
 > could be an illegal pass.  You, as a legitimate and authorized road
 > vehicle, have passed another vehicle on the right.  I believe that
 > you are not really allowed to do this, unless it is a two lane road.

Correct -- if you have only 1 lane on your side (as was depicted),
then this is passing on the right -- illegal.  They didn't teach it
when I took drivers' ed, and "everyone" does it.  I was a passenger
in a car that was stopped by a friendly policeman after performing
this maneuver.  We were let off with just a warning, but while we were
stopped we watched perhaps another half-dozen cars do just as we had.
(But education one- or two-at-a-time is better than no education.)
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org
From: bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: quote the law, was Re: Dangerous situation - advice wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:05:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ

bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) wrote:
>>
>>Correct -- if you have only 1 lane on your side (as was depicted),
>>then this is passing on the right -- illegal.  They didn't teach it
> 
tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) replied:
> This is piculiar to the state where it occurred.
> 
> In California passing on the right is legal if the vehicle ahead
> is making a left hand turn.
> 

Utah is certainly peculiar but their motor vehicle code on this matter
reputedly follows the Uniform Motor Vehicle Code:

41-6-56(1) The operator of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the
right of another vehicle only:
	(a) when the vehicle overtaken is making or preparing to make
	    a left turn;
	(b) upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient 
	    width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully 
	    in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle; 
	    or
	(c) upon a one way highway ... where the roadway is free from 
	    obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines 
	    of moving vehicles.

41-6-56(2) The operator of a vehicle may overtake and pass another
vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting the movement
with safety.  The movement may not be made by driving off the roadway.


Did that make the legality of the original bike situation perfectly clear?
I thought not.  It's always nice to be able to maintain your forward
momentum , but I'd chicken out in the case described.  If I'm going to
get into a contest of rights and interpretation of the law with a
motorist, I want that motorist to recognize the contest before, not
after, the fact.
-- 
Robert Bayn                  o                  Welcome to Cache Valley;
Office of Computer Services  \__^\=*    please set your chronometer back
Utah State University      (O)""""o            20 years and ten minutes.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: pzs@ficus.webo.dg.com (Peter Z. Simpson)
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling (was Re: Bikes and sidewalks)
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:33:19
	<1992Sep21.165345.28722@midway.uchicago.edu> <lbshmvINNfb@news.bbn.com>
	<19psvcINNq7f@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

>>>>> On 23 Sep 92 13:54:52 GMT, plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel
Plutchak) said;
>  After yet another incident on the roads of Massachusetts 
> wherein a motorist deliberately failed to yield right of way to
> me...

    Happened to me this morning...two of us were riding in, woman in a
beat-up old Datsun pulled out right in front of us. We were then
amazed to watch her turn left, cutting off the *dump truck* coming out
of the road she turned into. We figured she was probably going to
learn her lesson one of these days...

    Pete "dump trucks require at least a Caddy" Simpson


    
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: Re: Ultimate cycling city _ Beijing
Followup-To: freytag@seas.gwu.edu
Summary: Rising traffic accident rate
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:11:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.215556.20840@microsoft.com> davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn) writes:
>Mark Hickey writes:
>
>>[bikes] get through Beijing traffic a *lot faster than the cars*
>			....
>>Moral of the stoy: Bicycles and motor vehicles *can* get along.
>
>What you're describing isn't "getting along", it's the same
>superior/inferior relationship as here except that the roles are
>reversed.

I understood from a local when I was there in '86 that the number of 
traffic accidents has risen dramatically as cars have become more
common on city streets; with more of them being fatal...to the 
cyclist.
	Purely anectotal but reasonably what one would expect when
you mix cars and bicycles.  

-Richard Freytag