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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:36:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.33034.27688@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug16.211822.5261@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>>Recalling my Chinese history class, China has never been succeeded in 
>>invading Japan. There were several attempt to do so though but most 
>>often they were stopped by typhoons during their way. Furthermore,
>>China has never been strong in their navy at all. 

Actually, Nelson, there were only 2 attempts. As for China's Navy, you are 
correct, though they are now improving their "blue water" capability.

>Whilst Japan was the most powerful Navy ever to sail the Pacific. It's really
>an interesting topic, not in a military sense, but in a let's-see-here
>sense.. The first crushing blow by the Imperial Japanese Navy was against

"Japan was the most powerful Navy ever to sail the Pacific"? As of when? The
US crushed them. The Japanese lost the initiative less than 6 months after
Pearl Harbor (Midway) and were put permanently on the defensive less than 
8 months after (Guadalcanal).

>the Russin fleet (don't we all know..). Now, back then, the Navy was built
>with technology and skill by the British. It could of course be argued that
>the Japanese stole technology for the longest time, and they certainly
>did 'borrow' their share of it. :) But since then, they were pitted against
>nations with equal or greater technology and resources, but the Japanese
>won anyway. :) 

As Mr Goldman has pointed out, that "victory" is highly debatable.

>And towards other battles.. Iwo Jima. Vastly outnumbered and outgunned, but
>they held fast, taking a number of American troops with them. It was a 
>bloodbath. The Japanese attitude of superiority is not unjustified. Their
>actions can live up to their words.

They killed about 2 - 3,000 US troops at loss of over 20,000, while occupying
a defensive position. Not, IMHO, a very impressive showing. At Okinawa, they
lost about 60,000 troops (plus civilians) while killing 5,000 Americans. Not
a very impressive showing. The Germans did far "better" (but then, they 
retreated from time to time).

>(of course, that could have been bad.. If Emperor Hirohito hadn't told his
>people to stop fighting, three would not have been a single Japanese alive
>to be conquered)

Sure there would. Japanese as individuals started to surrender later in the
war (though not to the extent that individuals in other nations surrendered).

And are you suggesting that such irrational behavior is at all admirable?

Mike
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Only a Joking
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:00:24 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


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If you like this clown and you can send some messages for me!!!! 


Yu.
( c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:15:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:

>>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>>I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.

>So Chinese people should accept both massacres because two governments
>refuse to apologize.  Remarkable.

Yes, exactly. Accepting a fact-of-life, a fail-accompli, is no crime. 

Maybe if you just went for a postive outcome and got your life
together for yourself, you wouldn't be concerned about whether or
not somebody else apologized or not. After all, that's *their*
problem, not yours ;-)

Now I don't know if this life is all there is or there are multiple
reincarnations. But two things are sure: If this is it, I don't want
to spend my life being pissed off at somebody else as there are too
many other things to do. If there are more lives to come, I sure
wouldn't want to be somebody who needed to apologize for something
the next time around.

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyang@tacit.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Re:  True love.  Warning:  No engineers need apply
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:52:17 GMT

In article <5733@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas Cheung) writes:
>
>        This top ten list is taken from the latest engineering t-shirt
>that is being offered at Ohio University.  The author is probably a
>collective group of students.
>
>
>        Top Ten Reasons To Date An Engineer
>
>1.      Extremely Good Looking
>
>2.      High Starting Salary
>
>3.      Free Body Diagrams
>
>4.      Looks Good On A Resume'
>
>5.      Can Calculate Head Pressure
>
>6.      Help With Your Math Homework
>
>7.      Parents Will Approve
>
>8.      We Know How To Handle Stress
>        And Strain In Our Relationships
>
>9.      Find Out What Those Other
>        Buttons On Your Calculator Do
>
>10.     The World Does Revolve Around Us...
>        We Pick The Coordinate System
>
>	
>Following is my ten reasons on the bottom of a list of reasons to date an engineer.
>
>X-9.	T-shirt and jean are their formal dress.  Hot dog and a 6-pack is their
>	seven course meal.
>
>X-8.	The only social life known of is to post and talk on the net.
>
>X-7.	Flames like a monster on computer terminal and quite like a pussy cat
>	faced with real people.
>
>X-6.	Works from 6:30am to 7:30pm, daily. No morning kisses and no evening walks.
>
>X-5.	No matter how hard you cry and how loud you yell, he just sits there
>	calmly discussing your emotion in terms of mathematical logic.
>
>X-4.	Listens to classic rock only.  Hates everything from Bach to Prince.
>
>X-3.	Touches his car more than you.  
>
>X-2.	Talks in acronym.
>
>X-1.	Can't leave that damn pencil off his ear for a minute.
>
>X.	Top reason not to date an engineer: ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
>	Will file a divorce if you call him in the middle of debugging.
>
>Copyright reserved. 
>
>Cheung's Funky Shop Co.		


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:17:26 GMT

In article <Aug.17.14.52.30.1992.468@terra.rutgers.edu> lixj@terra.rutgers.edu  
(Xiao-jian Li) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >Carl
> 
> Are you saying I can slap on your face because I got more muscle than
> you? I just feel I want to do that but I won't:)

Because of this, there is law to govern men's behavior. Unfortunately there is  
not such a law to govern the behaviors of nations.

So, if you slap me because you are stronger, I can call the police. If a  
stronger nation hit a weaker nation, what could the weaker nation call? None!
Yes, it's unfair, but crying for apology won't solve any problem.

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23285 soc.culture.hongkong:9905 soc.culture.japan:6893 soc.culture.taiwan:12060
From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:00:15 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

>In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.

So Chinese people should accept both massacres because two governments
refuse to apologize.  Remarkable.

-- T.H. Tse
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:09:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

This is a test.

What the heck, instead of boring you to death, I will give you something
back just because you "listened" to my test.

What do you call a deer with no eye?
No idea.

What do you call a deer with no eye and no legs?
Still no idea.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: A wonderful place for Tester and Newuser!
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.211833.19482@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>
>        Hi, I found a paradise for testing --a newsgroup named "junk",
>I am serious.  I've tried a lot posting and replying before shooting
>the real bullets to SCC. So try it there,  but the *only thing* to 
>remember is *Don't forget fill out the Expires date (one day is the best)*.
>Good luck.
>
>cqu
> 


	When you try to learn how to post, please please please learn how to
	cancel your posting (test) at the same time.  (After you post your
	test, then go and read your posting.  At the end [pnq], issue command
	"C" to cancel your junk postings.  We all appreciate your help !


JLI
From: cd224@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hanren Y. Wong)
Subject: Help needed from a "6.4" hero in China
Reply-To: cd224@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hanren Y. Wong)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 18:46:15 GMT



Dear netters,

	I have a friend, who is released recently from jail in Shanghai
because of his participating 89' democratic movement in Shanghai,
needs help.   He has taken TOFEL and GRE very recently and has been 
admitted by a school in US.  He needs a financial support document to
apply an entree visa  to US, you know some paper works only. :-)
Unfortunately, I am not qualified to provide such document.  If any of
netters can, or know some one could, help this person, please feel free to
drop me an email first.  All necessary documents to support his status,
even the prison record, will be supplied before you offer the help.

	Thank you in advance.

Hanren

Department of Chemical Engineering
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, OH
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: GNP of China
Date: 13 Aug 1992 22:16:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <713723373.17360@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>According to the journal of the China Quarterly (No.125, University of
>London (UK), 1991), the GNP of China in 1990 was in the 9th position after 
>the USA, Soviet Union, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Britain and Canada.

Were you sure? How much in US dollars?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40 years ago
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:28:35 GMT

To answer so general a question, we must either be over 50, or wait at least
for another 20 years.
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:57:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Chinese women, having a problem finding a Chinese man?  I am about to 
launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks to the 
imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 291 men and 162 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.  
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make 
sure that matches are compatible culturally.  
 
                                                          Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jackz@ee.uts.edu.au (Jack Zhang)
Subject: look for Wang LiQiu
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:21:02 GMT
Summary: help me
Keywords: friend


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: No longer Silent China
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:06:53 GMT

In article <9AUG199218212596@oregon.uoregon.edu> nihong@oregon.uoregon.edu (Hong Ni) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.211910.6745@news.nd.edu>, jll@loki.cc.nd.edu (Junlei Li) writes...
>>Lu Xun had written an essay called "Silent China".
>>I have been deeply moved by what he said in that article. But now, after 
>>reading all the responses from the Chinese Netters towards the NBC coverage
>>and the Ingar Holst Debate, though I could not agree with some of the remarks,
>>I felt very happy that there was no longer a Silent China. Everyone is now
>>brave enough to speak up for whatever he believes in, and they know how to 
>>speakup. I suppose that's partially what "6.4" is for and I am glad for those 
>>who hadfought for this and were not able to see this happen.
>> 
>> 
>
>It is good to speak up, to express your views and concerns.  But it is also
>important to mind our style:  the language we use, the way we present 
>ourselves, etc..  I strongly oppose to the use of personal attack (ma4ren2)
>which to be is no less than fist fight on the street.

Be humble, be smiling, but be firm on ourown interests, unless compensated by
giving up ourown interests!
From: aoad345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Satellite to be launched by China
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.130202.3234@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (Hungkai Chao) writes:
>
>There is a very detailed description about Swedish FREJA satellite;
>however, what is the main function of Chinese FSW-1 satellite?

As you can see, the news source is from Swedish side, so there is not
description about FSW-1. But Jiuqun site used to lauch Jian1 Bing1
satellite (Front Soldier), which is for remote sensing purpose.
From: y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:17:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtCn5H.FKK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes...
>/* From the keyboard of ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) */:
>:
>:At least fewer people will end up behind bars, because of their views. 
> 
>Please use 'less people' instead of 'fewer people'. 
>Use 'less' with something uncountable and 'few' something countable. 
>e.g. 'Fewer cars, less trafic'. 
> 
>-- 
>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
>mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
>InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5

Mr. Xiaofei, 
I think you are wrong here. "People" is a countable word, so "few people" or 
"fewer people" is a correct. 

yz
From: haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:57:38 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu>, jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu) writes:
> 
>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
> here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after April 11, 1990.
> I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
> would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
> protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
> We should report our situation to IFCSS.
> 
> -Jianxiong Zhu
> Syracuse University

  Frankly, I think you do not need to be covered by the protection bill if
you can stay in China for as long as 100 days and still return to USA safely.
If you do feel you need some kind of protection, don't go back to China.

--HAMLET
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23607 soc.culture.korean:3779
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:58:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug19.193326.7263@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Why should Japan apologize first? It makes no sense! Since China had also done
>terrible things to Korea in the past ......

Just out of curiosity, exactly what are the terrible things that China
has done to Korea?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS RESULT
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:12:44 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany

In <1992Aug18.050929.28932@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu writes:

< Just for your reference.
< 
< >FINAL OLYMPIC RESULT
< >                              Gold Silver Bronze Tot.
< >Unified Team                  45   38      29    112
< >United States                 37   34      37    108
< >Germany                       33   21      28     82
< >China                         16   22      16     54
< >KOREA, UNIFIED                16    5      17     38 **
< >South Korea                   12    5      12     29 *
< >North Korea                    4    0       5      9 *

It's an unequal comparison. To all the competitions the numbers of team
or athelets per each nation are limited, therefore the S+N Korea had a
better chance than a real unified Korea team could have.

======================================================================
J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:46:39 GMT


In article <199208171938.AA10725@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>
>As one surviving the famine, I feel obligated to say that was simply a lie.
>There was a famine from late 1959 to mid 1963. I know a village where half
>of the population were starved to death. However, there was no such thing
>as cannibalism happened in China in such period, to the best of my knowledge.
>
>Some young friends may not understand why farmers did not rebel, so they
>tend to accept the rumored cannibalism as truth.
>
>The fact is: the Chinese overnment still managed to strictly control the
>situation. How they could do that is another intersting question, but that
>was a fact. No rebellion existed at that period. Period.
>
>The Big Leap Forward and resulted famine is one of the most serious crime
>of Lao Mao committed to Chinese people and nation. No problem about this,
>but rumor about cannibalism is only an insult to those suffered.

Mr.lix:

My apology to you for my unwitting insult.

However I want to explain a little bit.

1) I heard this sort of thing from chat with friends.  I have never seen
  such things reported in ANY Chinese publication.  Though this kind of
  chat could be called rumor, I gave credit to those people, because
  they were relating what happened in their home villages, specifically,
  in Anhui province.

2) Even in those 'rumor', this sort of things was said to be isolated
   incidents, that is very few.

3) Even in those 'rumor', this sort of things was said to be considered
   as most severe crime and the people involved had been treated capital
   punishment.  Some people could interpret such measure as a way to keep
   morale from deterioration.  The sad fact was that MOST of those 
   criminals otherwise would have been fairly normal human beings.


I fully agree with you about Lao Mao should be responsible to all those
disaster.  Sometime I saw some netters commended Lao Mao for no reason,
I have always refrained myself from saying anything.   This time I want
to utter some words, brief and simple:

LaoMao Shi ZhongHua MingZu De QianGu ZeiRen (Excuse my Pinyin, please)

(Mao is a criminal of thousand generations to Chinese people)

-----------------

T.T.Wu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
    <65500026@acf3.NYU.EDU> <1992Aug22.150830.14361@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:49:42 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I'd like to point out that in the early 1900's the Western 
>capitalists in China said that they treated the (Han) Chinese better
>than they treated themselves. And most Westerners outside of China
>believed it!!

One thing for sure, they did not named the china as a province of British, or
whatever the other country,  they treated China as colony. If you don't know
the difference between this two, 2nd grade in China is a good place, to learn.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china