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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:03:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.221812.15158@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> nobody@dev.null writes:

>In article <Bzp8Az.n53@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
>
>>[spew deleted]
>
>Typical asshole from New York.

Eh?  World.std.com is in Brookline, MA.

>Since the asshole quotient is so high up
>there, I will be sending out a rmgroup for alt.culture.ny-upstate and
>sending out a newgroup for alt.assholes.new-york.  This should better serve
>your needs.

Thanks.  I needed an excuse to expand my ignore.pats file.

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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 10:14:33 EST
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.santaism
 <1992Dec13.183323.15753@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>


In article <1992Dec13.183323.15753@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) says:
>
>I vote yes.
>
>Ho! Ho! Ho!!!!!

I created it at my site, Ho! Ho! Ho!

Tis the season to be frivolous.
Fa la la la la la la la la
Add me group someday or never
Fa la la la la la la la la

Kris
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: an3923@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re : Proposal for new newsgroup alt.culture.bengali
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.config
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:19:10 GMT



>I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
>This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
>literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.

DELETED STUFF

>
>This new newsgroup is mainly intented to discuss:
>(a) The structure and construction of Bengali language
>(b) growth of Bengali language in post-independent India
>(c) The literature of Bengali people
>(d) The men of letters.
>(e) Bengali language and transliteration.
>(f) Dialects, deviants and schools within the language.
>(g) Other art media that use Bengali language.
>(h) Bengali cultural institutions
>(i) Politics of power and the language.
>(j) Any other topic of relative merit and interest.
>
	If this is about the language of Bengalis in India, then
it should be renamed alt.culture.indian.bengali, IMHO!

>- Bijoy Sagar

I agree with this proposal and I guess it needs to be considered.

Irfan Ahmed.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.games.frp.amber
Organization: Racal-Datacom
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:14:20 GMT

In article <Dec.22.15.22.38.1992.332@yoko.rutgers.edu> zamick@yoko.rutgers.edu (Jonny the Z) writes:
>Why not have a rec.games.frp.amber spinoff if it is pulling so much
>traffic? It certainly is popular enough as demonstrated by the MUSH
>which has sprung up based on the RPG...
>Jon Z

    It will be very tough to get through the rec.games.frp.* cabal.  The 
mailing list has only been pulling 30+ messages a day for about a month and 
that will drop off during the holiday break.
    An Alt group that is pulling 30+ messages a day would swing more weight.
The only real advantage of being under rec.games.frp.* is wider 
distribution.   Rec is carried in more sites than alt groups.
    Alt.torg has been going along very happily.  I haven't heard any noise 
about moving over to Rec.games.frp.*, but then I don't read alt.torg :-)

Mark Urbin  Racal-Datacom  Boxborough, MA   urbin@interlan.interlan.com   
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From: maus@src4src.linet.org (Jim Driscoll)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Date: 1 Jan 93 07:58:54 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

In article <1hvu87INNpbn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>In a previous article, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) says:
>>I propose alt.fan.cows. 
>>This group would be home to Cow Conspiracy talk, cow jokes, postings of
>>Cow Art (the Net Cows done in ASCII), etc. etc. etc.
>I don't think so. There is already a rec.pets.  Discussions about
>cows are completely welcomed.

After all, they make such lovely ones...  I can see it now... The huge leash,
the snow-shovel pooper scooper...
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From: zamick@yoko.rutgers.edu (Jonny the Z)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.games.frp.amber
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:22:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Why not have a rec.games.frp.amber spinoff if it is pulling so much
traffic? It certainly is popular enough as demonstrated by the MUSH
which has sprung up based on the RPG...

Jon Z
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: wilder@nx20.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.games.frp.amber
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx20.mik.uky.edu!wilder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:37:53 GMT

In <1992Dec21.233931.12398@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

|The Amber RPG mailing list has now broken quite a few subscribers'
|mail quotas (at nearly 30 messages per day before winter break set in!).
|Thanks to a massive wave of unsubscriptions from disgruntled users,
|and much gnashing of teeth on the part of the list manager, whom I
|have to live with, I think it's time to suggest an alt.* group.

|Q&A:

|Why not a mainstream group?  The chances of a rec.games.frp.amber
|passing are rather minimal; though a rec.games.frp.dnd exists, the
|denizens of the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy are said to be strongly
|opposed to creating subgroups for other game systems.  And getting
|away from non-Amber-related traffic in rec.games.frp.misc is why
|the Amber RPG list was formed in the first place.

I may be demonstrating my naivete here (I have no experience with 
creation of new groups), but I at least would support a r.g.f.amber
group, considering the circumstances you've outlined above.  30 messages
per day is pretty impressive.

Considering that the distribution of alt groups isn't as wide, perhaps
you'd prefer something in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy?  Hey, you
can't succeed unless you try.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin)
Subject: alt.politics.vietnamese CFD
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:03:29 GMT

The deafening silence in response to my CFD on APV must mean
everyone agree with my analysis :).

For those who missed my previous posting on APV.  I will recap
for you.

For approximately two years, we had a mailing list call vietnet
for Vietnamese.  The list grew to almost a thousand names and was
killing the server.  We issued a CFD, then CFV for
soc.culture.vietnamese (aka SCV) and that went through.  While all
this was happening, we had thought of also issuing a CFD/CFV for
talk.politics.vietnamese.  This is because the amount of postings
relating to politics in the mailing list sometime grew close to
100% and drown out all other discussions.  Unfortunately, it fell
through a crack and no one went through the process for TPV.

SCV has been in existence for over a year and is thriving.  The
problem with political discussions (and flames that went along
with politics) are also still there and at times overwhelm the
rest of the newsgroup.  We felt that it is time to try the alt.*
newsgroup and let people move their political discussions there.

I would like to have the newsgroup created as soon as possible
to move the current political discussions going on SCV off it.

Btw, I appreciate the private comments I received from several
people.  Thank you for your kind feedbacks.

Regards,
Tin Le
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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Keywords: group creation alt
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 06:45:30 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:

> The name alt.fan.multics is *bad*, though, because all the other
> alt.fan.* groups are about people in show biz;

Does this mean John Palmer could be nominated for an Oscar?
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   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me
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From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What about alt.os.multics? (was: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?)
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:38:01 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article  <Bzqr3v.8HM@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.105605.3500@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson
>) writes:
>>But this points out a drawback with putting a multics groups in the
>>alt.fan hierarchy: I had no idea whatsoever that this group was about
>>an operating system! The alt.fan hierarchy is one of the worst parts
>>of alt in terms of the number of spurious and non-serious groups, and
>>any new group runs a big risk of drowning in the noise.

>Alt.fan.* is not a "sewer" per se.  

I think we should avoid using the "s"-word, since a major battle of
the recent flame war was about the inappropriateness of that very
word...  We wouldn't want Jay Maynard to believe we'd changed our
minds, would we? :-)
 
>Fandom in the real world is weird at
>times, wacky, chaotic, etc.  Any person who saw teenage girls flinging
>themselves against a wall of hired muscle at a Beatles concert to try to
>get near the Fab Four should know how fans get.  What do you expect
>alt.fan.* to be like?  The very nature of the human instinct toward fandom
>imposes a certain disorder and spontanenity on any assemblage of fans in
>one place.

Sure, and I didn't say I objected to that aspect of the alt.fan
hierarchy. What I did object to was putting the multics newsgroup
there. 

>Alt.fan.lemurs, alt.fan.letterman, etc. are all very interesting groups
>that seem to be quite at home there.  

I haven't read alt.fan.lemurs - maybe I should. 

And let's not forget alt.fan.enya; we almost started a flamewar 
when Tim Pierce proposed rmgrouping that group and replacing it
with a mailing list. (Let me hasten to add that that particular
discussion got a peaceful conclusion).

>Perhaps it's the 
>alt.fan.bruce.woodcock and alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia groups that you find
>so disgusting since they never go through the alt.config approval process.

"Disgusting" is too strong a word, but I was referring to those groups
when I wrote about "spurious groups" above. I don't find them
disgusting, but I think they may damage the propagation of the entire
alt.fan hierarchy. 

>But nevertheless, I agree, alt.fan.multics would be inappropriately named.
>I think alt.os.multics would be a good starting point for Multics discussions.

And so do I.

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Subject: Re: proposal alt.sys.amiga.cnews/cnews.patches
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:13:44 GMT
Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@myrddin.sybus.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting

Kai 'wusel' Siering <wusel@hactar.hanse.de> writes:
>     Yeah. And for my own part, I lack the time to scan the comp.sys.amiga
>heirarchy for interesting articles (could use only auto-select, but what
>articles I am missing then? According to Murphy, the important ones =:->);
>your milage (i. e. time-table =:->) will vary.

Which simply means that you're missing them RIGHT NOW and just don't
care to acknowledge that fact!!!  ;-) ;-)

>			kai
> _ //   Kai 'wusel' Siering, Villa Straylight, Hamburg, Germany. Go for MIME!

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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 28 Dec 1992 11:32:20 EST
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Re : alt.culture.bengali

In article <199212280243.AA16338@mp.cs.niu.edu>, t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy
Sagar) says:
>
>Samit and others,
>
>        I got the impression from your letters that the newsgroup
>alt.culture.bengali is *being* pushed.

I think you should try soc.lang.bengali as proposed by Tim Pierce.
Its a much better name and a more fitting heirarchy for it to reside.
If you can't get the soc group created you can always come back here
and get it created.

>        Unlike a soc.* group, an alt.* group can be created by
>almost anyone. And alt.* groups need not have a VOTING stage.

Right, but you shouldn't create an alt group "just because". What am I
saying!!! ;-) This group sounds like a wonderful idea, and would probably
do very well in the soc heirarchy. You should issue an RFD in news.groups.

>        However, since I proposed this group, I plan to have
>referundum 3  weeks after the posting appeared on alt.config
>and soc.culture.indian. The three weeks are required for all
>interested parties to read the charter and offer their opinions
>on the charter, purpose and the name of the group.
>        After 3 weeks I would expect a nutral person with
>resources ( preferably someone who has no interest in the
>newsgroup or the destruction of it) to keep track of voting.

You'll go through all this trouble but not bother with a mainstream
heirarchy? Thats silly. :)

>        After the voting stage ( which will end 2 weeks
>after it is opened) I shall send out the nesgroup control
>message.

For the alt heirarchy you don't need a vote. I say you should just move
the whole thing over to news.groups now, or just issue the newsgroup message
in a day or two.

>        Now, to those who think that voting is mandatory,
>if we are willing to go through all that pain, we  might
>as well move this newsgroup to soc.culture.* heirarchy or
>still better soc.lang.bengali, sci.lang.bengali or to
>talk.lang.bengali.

Exactly. And since its obvious that you are willing to go through
the pain, move it over to news.groups or simply create it here
in a day or two. Its silly to have a 5 week discussion here, as thats
not what the alt heirarchy is about.

>        I would be happy to answer any questions anyone might
>have in the following 5 weeks.

If you wait 5 weeks you'll probably end up annoying the sh*t
out of everyone and the group will never get good propagation in
places which have alt groups. Again, either create it in a day or two
since there doesn't seem to be much opposition to the idea, or simply
post your RFD in news.groups.


Nelson "I'm not harping on anything :)" Broat
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.comedy.standup
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:29:47 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <BzutLo.I3I@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B.
Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called  
> alt.comedy.standup.  This group would be the place to discuss standup  
> comedy, standup comedians and standup comedy routines.  Discussion for  
> comedians who now no longer do standup (either at all or as their  
> entire act).
> 
> I feel that the group should exist because I think that there is  
> suitable interest in standup comedy yet there is no suitable place in  
> which to discuss it.

     Well, there's rec.humor.d, which might be useful.  Sadly, right
now it seems to be a place for people to crosspost their stupid jokes. 
Occasionally someone attempts to start discussion about humor.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal : alt.culture.bengali
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:06:22 GMT

In article <199212262234.AA11609@mp.cs.niu.edu> t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar) writes:

>While I have enough indication for the interest in this group, at this stage
>I am cautious enough to propose the group in the alt. heirarchy. If the
>popularity demands otherwise, I will be willing to go through the pains of
>establishing a soc. heirarchy for the newsgroup.

Please don't create a group in alt simply because it's easier than
creating a mainstream newsgroup.  If a vote on soc.culture.bengali
fails, you can certainly create an alt.* group then.  If you create
the alt group first and then create a soc group later, the alt group
will linger and tend to fragment discussion.

>Also, since this newsgroup
>is mainly to  discuss the aspect of the language more than the culture,
>the alt. heirarchy is more appropriate than soc. heirarchy.

That doesn't follow.  It would follow that a group under a "language"
hierarchy would be more appropriate than "culture."  Post an RFD for
soc.language.bengali or sci.lang.bengali (since a sci.lang hierarchy
already exists) and see what the response is.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: alt.fan.cows
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: hi tim
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:06:10 GMT

I propose alt.fan.cows. 

This group would be home to Cow Conspiracy talk, cow jokes, postings of
Cow Art (the Net Cows done in ASCII), etc. etc. etc.



Xref: sparky alt.config:8134 alt.folklore.computers:18297
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: alt.fan.multics, any interest in a Multics (OS) newsgroup?
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:02:59
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<FAIGIN.92Dec22122212@soldan.aero.org>
	<1992Dec23.103322.26752@bristol.ac.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: smee@bristol.ac.uk's message of 23 Dec 92 10:33:22 GMT

On 23 Dec 92 10:33:22 GMT, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) said:
> You lucky b*****d.  Given that I expect there's about a 0% (more or
> less) probability of my ever seeing a Multics box again

Actually, if you got in the Computer Security field, or at least went to the
National Computer Security Conference, you might just run into it again. AIM
(access control) can be a pain, but its actually quite useful.

(I've never gotten the hang of the = convention, but I do find [pd] extremely
useful, as well as the fact that you can change directories from a subshell)

Daniel
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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Date: 31 Dec 1992 23:03:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) says:

>I propose alt.fan.cows. 
>
>This group would be home to Cow Conspiracy talk, cow jokes, postings of
>Cow Art (the Net Cows done in ASCII), etc. etc. etc.
>


I don't think so. There is already a rec.pets.  Discussions about
cows are completely welcomed.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.questions
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:51:02 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>Don't we already have misc.misc?

Does anyone really read misc.misc?

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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d