From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: NComm 2.0 at last!
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:01:20 GMT
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>In article <L8iPiB6w164w@lakes.trenton.sc.us>, rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us 
(Rockerboy) writes:
>>>     I think the Amiga will lose a lot of what makes it interesting 
when
>>>     the demo coders stop. This is different from out and out piracy, 
but
>>>     I think the kind of people who write demos and trackers and MODs 
are
>>>     worth having.
>>> 
>>>     It's a shame that the people who can write a megademo don't sit 
down
>>>     and clone some PC software to make some money to get through 
school
>>>     or something, though.
>>> 
>> That is what I was involved with on the 64.  I know that a lot of 
people 
>> into demos eventually went into the software business, such as Ash & 
>> Dave.  They even put out a few games _as_ demos.  (Terminal city comes 
to 
>> mind...)
>
>If your demo coding buddies are such hot programmers why are games the
>only kind of programs they write? Why dont they write a wordprocessoror
>or database or MIDI sequencer, etc. The Amiga could certainly use a
>wordprocessor with the same power as Microsoft Word or WordPerfect 5.1
>. Why cant they produce any serious software? All I see from them are
>games. Arent they capable of writing anything else? Judging from 
>their games I doubt it since so many of them wont run on anything other
>than a A500 with 1 meg of memory and 1 floppy. It makes me shudder to
>think of running a wordprocessor written by someone like that. 

I'll give you one thing, you are a persistant nuisance, aren't you?
Perhaps when you've made it obvious to the _entire_ net what a sadistic,
pointless fool you are, you will shut up and stop bothering people who
really are trying to communicate.

Yet again, this message was not addressed to you, had nothing to _do_ 
with
you, and yet again, you seem to feel it your duty to attack me simply
because I do not agree with your brainwash mentality.  Even so, I will do
you the courtesy of pointing out your stupidity once again so that 
perhaps
you will learn something.

So art is useless?  That is, essentially, what demos are, you know.  
Games
are useless, or inferior, or are somehow "easier" to program than 
databases
or word processors?  You are an astouding fool if you truly believe that.
Post that in the programming sig and see how quickly you're laughed off 
the
net.  Games are some of the _most_ challenging things to program.  You
imagine that a program to edit text is harder to code than a program 
which
animates in 3-d?  You're simply a flatulent little jerk with an attitude,
and you obviously know _nothing_ about programming to make such absurd
statements.  I wonder how many people who earn their livings _programming
games_ would agree with you?  None, I'll wager.

Re:  500 with 1 meg and a floppy

Again, you simply show astounding ignorance.  What ever posesses you to
flame someone on a topic you _obviously_ know _nothing_ about?  Demos are
_art_, not business software!  No one _cares_ if _you_ can run it or not.
The whole point behind demos is to find creative effects, push the 
hardware
to its limits, discover interesting udocumented "glitches" and try to do
interesting things with them.  I'm certain that most demo people could 
care
less if you think they're "unprofessional", since they are simply 
computer
artists.  They do this becaus ethey _want_ to, and they don't care if 
_your
holiness_ wants a better word processor.  Instead of bitching about what
other people do as a hobby, why don't you learn to code and write your 
own?
Then perhaps you'll have something better to do than harass me.

>The only market segment which tolerates that kind of bad programming
>practice is the games segment but of course those demo coders who also 
>happen to be pirates dont restrict themselves to pirating only games. So 

>any (dubious) contribution they make to the Amiga market by writing
>games is more than counterbalanced by the harm they do by pirating 
>serious software. They do not help the Amiga market they hurt it by
>driving away all the good programmers to other platforms. When that
>happens , and you can already see signs of it happening at certain
>Amiga developers such as Gold Disk and NewTek , are you and your demo
>coding buddies going to take over for them and write the next
>ProDraw or create the next Video Toaster?   
>
>                             Scott Corley

Serious software.  Get real.  Get a life.  Get a clue.  Again, you 
presume
that simply because _you_ consider something worthless, it is indeed
worthless to _everyone._  This is _not_ the case.  There are quite a few
people who consider games to be the most important software they own.

Demo people are not pirates; they are artists.  Yet other topic you chose
to flame on that you know nothing about.

And how about the 64?  I believe the topic being discussed was demo 
coding,
both on the 64 and Amiga.  (You introduced the bash Rock part yourself.)
Since you know so much about the 64 (you seem to consider yourself an
 authority on _everything_, so why not the 64 too, hmm) why don't you 
prove
how impressive you _really_ are?  Do you know what an FLI or FLD is?  How
'bout DYCP?  X and Y flexes?  Just a few routines that demo people 
created
that showed up later in commercial packages.

You are an idiot, Mr. Corley.  This is the _third_ time I have told you 
so,
and the third time I have backed up my assertions by _facts_, not 
rhetoric.
By now, it should be obvious to even the most rabid flamer that you have 
no
intention of engaging in discussion, you simply want to fight.  I shall 
not
bother to reply to your messages again unless you change your tone to a
less combative one.  I really don't have the time to spend in a pissing
contest with you, especially since you seem to feel facts are just there 
to
confuse the issues.

To paraphrase Robin Williams, you sound like a man who is desperately in
need of a blowjob.  Lighten up and lay off.



"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy