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From: wsm26@cas.org (Wayne Mills)
Subject: Re: limited image cards
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:04:42 GMT

I saw an ad for these limited Image cards in CBG a month or so ago.
You could order the cards from the ad, although I believe you had to
order large quantities.


In any case, if you want to find the information, just start riffling
through the last couple of months of CBGs.  I remember that it was
a full page ad.   

(No, I'm not going to hunt for it!  :-))

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From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Characterizations (Catwoman)
Keywords: Catwoman
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:54:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Not to mention the 3 or 4 characterizations that came before the DARK
KNIGHT version.  But Catwoman cannot hold a candle to the number of
different characterizations that Batman has gone through.

Just remember, these characters have been around for 50+ years.  The
different characterizations illustrate the different interpretations
by the (*many*) creative teams that have worked with these charaters
over the years.  Since no one could expect to work on the same books
for such a long time, creators are bound to change, and the characters
change with them (usually, unless the creators are content with imitating
those they replaced).  The only other option would be to cease publication
of the book when the original creators leave.  In some cases, this may be
a good idea (Sandman), in others, not.

Andy 
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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Re: Characterizations (Catwoman)
Keywords: Catwoman
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:40:26 GMT

jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:


>Has anyone out there noticed how many characterizations have sprouted
>up for Catwoman in the past two or three years?

>	1.  First there's the man-hating prostitute first seen (in a
>future incarnation, no less) in Dark Knight Returns.

>	2.  Then there's the "Batman Returns" mousey secretary gone          
>kablooie into a man-hating(?) militant feminist.

>	3.  BTAS would have us believe she is a die-hard environment-   
>alist with a soft spot for cats and lots of money.

>	4.  Finally, for those few of you who have managed to pick
>up Catwoman in novelized form, she is a poverty-striken cat burglar
>who steals from the rich in order to feed her cats.

>Multiple characterizations such as these would make an argument for
>something like Image somewhat viable, at least insofar as character
>control goes. 

Don't forget the characterization as a man-hating prostitute in Batman: Year
one.

>-- 
>DE LA COVA,JORGE
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Needed: Source for Computer comics/cartoons
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:41:40 EDT

In article <1992Sep26.183548.25355@pelican.cit.cornell.edu>
rdc@pelican.cit.cornell.edu (Bob Cowles) writes:
 
>
>
>I need a source for humorous line-art relating to computers.  I am sure that
>SOMEONE must have published a collection or has otherwise put together
>comic strips or cartoons about the computer industry (and the people in it).
>Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
 
There was a collection published awhile back called _What's So Funny About
Computers?_, with a great deal of wit about computers and databases and
the society that gave rise to the computer age.  I forget who wrote it at the
moment, but I can find out and get back to you.  (If I recall correctly, the
same author published two other books of cartoons called _Chicken Soup and
Other Medical Matters_ and _What's So Funny About Science?_.)
 
 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Kinda Big Darkness Saga interlude
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:28:47 GMT

Cybersig had just regained his presence on r.a.c. when the whole damn thing 
began to shrivel up due to lack of funds.  No one had even tried to stop 
X-chequer, it seemed.  Acton Lord had already crossoposted to a theoretically 
infinite number of FTP sites and D"D"D himself existed outside the net.  But 
how would Sig Lad (for he had finally unmutated) escape the collapsing r.a.c.?
He was too far from the scene of battle to escape the way of Ultimate Ninja... 
so his only alternative would be to try to escape using his powers of .sig!
     Dave Van Domelen, suddenly a spectral cow with one eyebrow and a pencil 
tucked behind his ear appeared floating before Sig Lad.  "Moooooooo....  You 
must save TIM...." and with that, Sketch, the Cow Wizard, pulled Sig Lad out of
the doomed newsgroup and on to greener pastures.
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From: Sascha Segan <sascha@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: DC:Crisis and who remembers it.
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EA1D0E7E01321F@commons4-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:58:38 GMT
Organization: Yale, Yale, Yale!
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:56:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.151748.23761@news.nd.edu> michael kelly,
mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu writes:
>There is also some evidence that Winter and the Lantiman of Salk (or is
>that Sauk?) share the secret about Crisis....

Uhh...I don't know how to put this, Michael, but Winter and the Lantiman
are *Eclipse* characters. Why would they have anything to do with the
Crisis? Miracleworld is *totally* divorced from any sort of DC
continuity. I'm not sure what the Lantiman's "biggest secret in the
universe" is, but I doubt it's the Crisis.

(FYI, folks: Winter is Miracleman's daughter from the Eclipse Neil Gaiman
MIRACLEMAN books, and the Lantiman of Sauk is an alien she met while
travelling the starways.)

----Sascha
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Babe Contest
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:51:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.80796
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu



	Someday I'll discover a portal into hyperspace (like on the next
episode of ST:TNG) and retrieve a good half my messages!!!!!

	Anyway, I'm here now to propose a character contest for that
underprivilidged minority, the comic book woman.  Every other character
contest reads the same: Cable, Wolverine, Ghost Rider...  So now, send
your fave femme from any comic book universe (and a brief reason why:
optional) by October 9 and I'll compile the list into a top ten of sorts.
	No fun unless you reply (God help me if the whole @#^*&(#$%
Rogue Fan Club gets involved - :) (economical smiley), so write in already!

				Until the 9th,
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Choosing a cabinet....
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:28:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Ohio State University

No, I don't want Mr. Nobody for Prez.  C'mon...he's all about pointlessness and
not really being there.  What office does that suggest to you, given the last 
few years?  That's right,
          MR. NOBODY for VEEP!!!!!!!
Lobo for Sec'y of Defense, Floro for Sec'y of Interior (or maybe Tefe if they 
waive age requirements), and so forth.
     Dave Van Domelen, trying to figure out where Agent "!" will fit in....I 
got it!  Press Sec'y!
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From: kenl@idacom.hp.com (Ken Loo)
Subject: Re: Crisis?  What Crisis?
Reply-To: kenl@idacom.UUCP (Ken Loo)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:51:30 GMT

In article <5021@daily-planet.concordia.ca> david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) writes:
>I keep reading that Supergirl (Kara Zor-el) died in Crisis.  When was that?
>I stopped reading comics 15 or 20 years ago (got interested again when I
>heard about Superman's impending doom).  How long ago did Supergirl die?
>
>I also picked up an issue of "Legion of Super-Heros" for the first time in
>15 years (don't ask me why it's numbered #33!).  I despised the art in it.
>Is this a sign of things to come, or did someone spill the ink?
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Supergirl died in 1985 in the infamous Crisis on Infinite Earths.  Another
character called Matrix has taken on her identity in recent years.

As for the Legion, it was a one of DC's most underrated titles a few years 
ago when it was written by Paul Levitz.  Levitz unfortunately had to end
his 10 year run on the title when his VP duties had taken him away from 
his writing chores.

The really sad part is that Legion was passed on to Keith Giffen and Tom
and Mary Bierbum, and they were given carte blanche to destroy all the
established continuity that Levitz took 10 years to build.  To make matters
worse, Giffen insisted in drawing in that stupid 9-panel per page format,
and the "spilled ink" style which he plagerized from an Italian cartoonist
years ago.  Out of loyalty, I stayed on the new title for a year, but
dropped it like a hot potato when they brought in Lobo.

- Ken Loo

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics:23636 rec.arts.comics.misc:3036
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 10:39:03 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I liked YOUNGBLOOD
 <1992Sep27.220414.16766@cs.unca.edu>

In article <1992Sep27.220414.16766@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:
>
>Charles E Gibbs (bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>:
>: I know I've missed the deluge of postings.  However, I finally got a
>: copy of YOungblood 1 and I liked it.  Call me demented, but I liked it.
Okay, you're demented.
>Great!!! I'm really glad *someone* likes it.
So's Robbie the Wonder Puppie.  Also, there's about a million young
fanboys with the same chance of reproducing at an older age as
Stephen J. Cannel has a chance of writing an intelligent TV-Script.
>I liked it too!
>
>Amazing colors on the art -- and it's a refreshing change from all
>the hacked up stuff that Marvel is shoveling out.
What you mean by hacked up stuff, you mean stuff that is actually
plotted and scripted by someone who doesn't know the meaning of
supporting characters.
("We lost [Darcangel]."  "It's another one we owe them for."
Uhhhh, but if you're supposed to feel upset about the death of a
character, you should at least try to show him on panel at least once.)
>Heck, I even liked Brigade. I loved that scene with the building
>being destroyed! I'd like to see them do that in any other medium :)
Birgade had a few shining moments, but that was because it wasn't
a Rob Liefeld scripted slugfest for no reason.
>I sort of even like the new guy on the X-Men now, Peterwhoever.
>He has a little potential.
>Scott
Being Lost Cause Boy, I too know the meaning of people with potential.
I loved Liefeld's early NM work, and his Hawk & Dove pencils.  However,
without someone like Dick Giordano (who knows how to edit, unlike
intestinal fuzz like Bob Harass and Tom Defalco) snarling and growling
at him to keep up his artistic hard work, he turns extremely lazy in
his artwork, and presumably, if he had a editor for his writing, he'd
actually have some consistent plots.  He has potential, but he doesn't
wanna be bullied into quality, when he actually should have his willie
shoved into the bore of a 12 gauge shotgun with the threat of having
his pelvis non-surgically removed if he ever draws people without
shoulders or eyeballs again.

Oh, by the way.... FLAME ON!!!!

DPW
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Th-th-that's all folks!
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:36:23 GMT

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From: cma@titan.ucc.umass.edu (COLIN MA)
Subject: Incredible Hulk #399
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:20:12 GMT

What happened to Dale Keown?  Will he be back
for Hulk #400?


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From: kenl@idacom.hp.com (Ken Loo)
Subject: Re: Bruce Wayne v Dick Grayson
Reply-To: kenl@idacom.UUCP (Ken Loo)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:40:51 GMT

>In article <1992Sep18.083650.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> massengale_m@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>How did Dick Grayson become Nightwing?  When did he "divorce" Bruce, and
>>what was the cause?  How long ago did this happen, and in which books?
>
>	I forget the issues, but essentially, Dick was injured by 
>Joker and Batman wanted Dick to retire.  Since Dick was busy leading 
>the Titans, and doing a good job with it, he ignored Bats, moved
>out of Wayne Manor, and eventually changed his name to Nightwing.
>
>	The issues where written by Max Allan Collins, and happened around
>the time of Legends, told in flashback to give a post-Crisis origin
>of Jason Todd, as the powers that be thought his original origin was
>too close to Dick's.  (he was a circus acrobat whose parents were 
>killed by Killer Croc)  The original origin was a much better story,
>IMHO.
>
>-- 
>Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
>albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
>Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
>You're only young once,but you can always be immature. - Dave Barry

Dick Grayson became Nightwing in the "Judas Affair"?, in which Terminator
and the original Terra had planned to destroyed the Titans from within.
                   
As for when Dick Grayson "divorced" himself from Batman, I think it was
about the time Jason Todd was killed.

- Ken Loo
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Various Stuff
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:32:28 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

>Besides, in any case, Supes must have normal strength involuntary muscles, 
>since he does still eat occasionally and must excrete waste, which if Niven's 
>hypothesis about superstrong involuntary muscles is true, would lead to large 
>holes in the bathrooms of the Planet.

   Didn't Byrne's re-hash of Supes state that he burned up all the fuel he
consumed (food OR sunlight) 100% (or SOMETHING like that)?  I seem to recall 
people on the Net joking about Supes never having to go to the bathroom...

>And of course, no superpowered sperm 
>flying about...they haven't absorbed any solar radiation yet. }->

   What do you think those things on LOBO are...SPACE DOLPHINS?  Just don't tell
LOBO...

   JCD
From: R39R@UNB.CA (R39R000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Image Comics
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:46:46 GMT
Organization: The University of New Brunswick

Any comments about Image?

I think Spawn and WildCATS are the best in the bunch.

Jim Cyr.
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From: houchin@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Scott Houchin)
Subject: Re: Batman: TV series
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.132623.4962@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui) writes:
>A friend of mine and I think that by introducing Robin without
>bothering with any origin the show can still get away without
>actually showing anyone dying.  Of course it's possible that in
>the Two-Face conclusion, the twins were killed, but there was
>no obvious sign.
>--

In that list of characters in CBG for the first season (the one
that listed who would do what voice), didn't they list Tony Zucko
(I think that's the spelling) -- the guy who had Dick's parents
killed.

That kind of indicates that they are going to do an origin
sometime.

It also seems to me that they are skipping origins for
characters that most of the world is familiar with -- Joker,
Catwoman, and now Robin... and of course Batman. Batman's origin
seem's to be being told in flashbacks and dreams. Maybe they will
do the same for these other well known characters.


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From: spooner@sltg07.ljo.dec.com (Peter Spooner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Duracell and Superman
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: spooner@sltg07.ljo.dec.com (Peter Spooner)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Will Duracell batteries drop the use of Superman in their advertisements
now that he is going to die?  The ad shows Supes breaking a chain and
says "He runs like he's on Duracell...Duracell batteries. Nothing lasts
longer."  I wonder if the advertising types at Duracell know that he is
going to die and what it might imply about their product.  Could be
another blunder like Burger King endorsing King Ralph ;-)
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Goodbye fair RAC!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:58:16 GMT


Well, it's highly likely I won't make it onto here again within the next
48 hours so...

Farewell to rec.arts.comics! I haven't been here long, but I'm glad I've been
here at all. I hope that everybody will find their way onto the new groups
and keep up the same level of quality (and fanboy-baiting :-)  )

Mike
From: 003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Valiant: new universe II
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:08:10 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


topic for discussion:
  Shooter created the new universe in 1986, in an attempt to do then what 
Marvel had done in the 60s, e.g. make comics more realistic.  An important 
aspect was the passage of time was the same as in the real world.
  VALIANT IS THE new universe!
comments?

Steph Savoie    SONIC BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
"You are mistaken.  No one is screaming.  Thank you."
From: daz@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David A. Z.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superman rebirth
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:30:42 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep21.165657.24003@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>
>Maybe I'm jumping the gun here.  Crisis considerations aside, the fact that
>Supergirl died and stayed dead is what seems important here.  It had to have
>"happened" in the DC continuum, the same way the Crisis had to have happened.
>All of which is slightly beside the point.  Maybe the planet of Kryptonians
>don't matter, vis-a-vis what would happen, since they never acquired powers.
> [...]

	Umm... most of this seems kinda silly.  Crisis totally changed
the DC universe.  The superman we see didn't even come from the same
planet krypton as supergirl did.  All the events of Crisis before the
middle of issue 11 of Crisis happened in the PRECRISIS universe.  

	Under the editorial supervision of Julius Schwartz (sp?)
kryptonians of EARTH-1 couldn't die.   I don't see what bearing this
has on Superman of "EARTH-ONLY"... the one inspired by John Byrne.

	I don't believe there was anything really showing that you
can't kill a kryptonian of EARTH-ONLY.  Krptonians of EARTH-ONE were
precrisis and precrisis events are an alternate history to the current
DC-time line.   

	Earth-one kryptonians are from a krypton which evolved from one
set of events of history.   "then" the antimoniter and heros of several
earths battled before the beginning of time, changed the universe forever,
and eventually a totally different Krypton evolved.  Any charicteristics
of the precrisis krypton do not necassarily apply to the prostcrisis kryton
which is a totally different planet in a totally different Universe!

					- david a. z.

Ps. Please send all replies (if any) to daz@gnu.ai.mit.edu as well as into
this newgroup so I'll be sure to notice them since I don't always follow
this newgroup.

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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Needed: Source for Computer comics/cartoons
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 23:54:31 EDT

In article <1992Sep29.040833.13954@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
 
>
>In article <1687013F3C.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>>There was a collection published awhile back called _What's So Funny About
>>Computers?_, with a great deal of wit about computers and databases and
>>the society that gave rise to the computer age.  I forget who wrote it at the
>
>Sidney Harris (presumably different from the dead columnist of the similar
>name). Another possibility is The Cartoon Guide To Computers by Larry Gonick.
>A number of Bloom County strips with Oliver Wendell Jones are computer
>related, and an early Doonesbury series had Mark freaking out over being
>a DP type during a summer. Several Fox Trot strips also deal with computers,
>and Funky Winkerbean used to feature an intelligent high school administration
>computer.
>
It was indeed Sidney Harris.  Thanks for reminding me.
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