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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Crying Freeman:Part Four #6
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:27:31 GMT

In article <78779@ut-emx.uucp>, chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:
> Well, I saw this as having been released by Valiant last Friday, but I have
> yet to go to the store for last weeks stuff.  This title just piqued my
> curiosity when I saw it because I've never heard of it before, & I've been
> think I collect all but two Valiant titles.  Anyone know what this thing is
> about?

A typo.  CRYING FREEMAN is not a Valiant title, but a Viz Comics title.
It's a translated manga about a trained assasin who rebels against the
organization who trained him, I think.  Never read it myself.
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			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Ignore this
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:59:30 GMT

My rn froze and refuses to be killed, so I can't finish reading today's stuff.
I'm sending this in hopes that it will jar my account open.
     Dave Van Domelen, "August 1989...a fine year...<sip...*gag*> Make that a
fine expiration date." - Nemesis Fiend, "The Depth Of Evil"
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: INDY: Love and Rockets reprint guide
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:26:12 GMT

In article <p6=nw3a@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>
>> The Titan volumes are identified like so:
>>
>> US editions: 	Heartbreak Soup (Gilbert)	HS 
>>		The Reticent Heart (Gilbert)	RH
>>		Love and Rockets (Jaime)	LR
>>		The Lost Women (Jaime)		LW
>
>I'm at a complete loss as to why these are being referred to as "US
>Edition Titan volumes".  They're published by Fantagraphics and don't
>mention Titan anywhere inside or out . . . in fact, the copy of _Love And
>Rockets_ I was reading says "Fantagraphics Books" right there on the
>spine.  As far as I know, Titan doesn't publish in the US at all.  So what
>am I missing?  
>
>--

I think this refers to the fact that Fantagraphics presented these books as US
versions of the UK solo books which were printed by Titan.  Calling these "US
Titan editions" helps to differentiate them from the "Complete Love and
Rockets" series of books that Fantagraphics also publishes.
 
Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Minor Cerebus Musing Someone Probably Posted Months Ago Anyway
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:40:00 GMT

I realized today that at the Prologue of Melmoth, Roach has become:
                    normalroach
It hit me when I was thinking about the plotlines normalman borrowed from High 
Society.
     Dave Van Domelen, waiting for Pundok
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From: semper@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bil Foster Jr.)
Subject: Computer Art
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:03:09 GMT


-- 
Semper

Cause I'm always......

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From: jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau)
Subject: Re: Speculation and the market (was: Valiant sucks)
Organization: UBC Pulmonary Research Lab., St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:53:21 GMT

In article <82hn_jk@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>
>>> because Diamond often fails to ship books to stores that ordered  less
>>> than 5 copies at a time. 
>>
>> This is not true.  Diamond (I know) and I assume all other dist.  will
>> ship out 1 of any given title 
>
>They claim to, but in practice I typically miss at least half of the books
>I order when I'm the only person in the store who's ordering the book.
>This is true of both Diamond and Capital City-based shops. 
>
>I'm about *this far* from giving up trying to read comics at all anymore --
>what the hell good is it when you only get every other issue of a title,
>even if you pre-order the damned things?  Of course, the crap I have no
>interest in just flows through the doors like water . . .
>
>--
>Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
>
>"what kind of dream was this, so easy to destroy?"

Well the store I buy from doesn't miss any books.  I am the only one buying
a few of these titles as well.  I would believe that it is the store you buy
from that is giving you that line.  Where I buy they have both regular
and special orders on computer and I get a list everymonth of what I am
regularly subscribed too.  I then don't double up on my special oredrs.

This is good especially for companies like Now, and Comico who have such
terrible shipping schedules and are always being cancelled and resolicited.
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Team Titans #1's (Was: Re: Valiant sucks)
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:02:17 GMT
Organization: UB


I think its fairly obvious that D.C. is trying to mimick Marvel, with
there multiple cover gimicks.  They were a little more considerate to
the fans, giving them different stories as well.

So as to the question was it too gimicky?  Well, I enjoyed the issue
I bought ( the Terra one ) and can't comment on any of the others.  I
guess if your a big Titans fan you got your money worth.

I almost bought the second issue too; until that Cable clone showed up on
the last page.  One more ultra-tough character is something we don't need.


							Jim
-- 
***************************************************************************
Comics are like current physics...we haven't had a major shakeup in decades, 
so even the most brilliant participant today is nowhere near as famous as 
the guys who were doing it when all new stuff was being discovered.
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn (Oh Boy I Am In For It...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:39:27 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <Btytvp.JIo@news.udel.edu> cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>...but I actually...LIKE...Spawn.

>Besides, did anyone else note the Cerebus appearance? Yup. On the
>inside back cover of Spawn # 3, McFarlane gave Sim a free ad space 
>(check the Note From The President in Cerebus #161 for details). 
>It's a nice touch. I mean, sure, McFarlane isn't self-publishing, but
>he is recognizing the importance of those who do. Can't wait
>to see CereSpawn!

You mean the SpawnRoach, of course >:)

-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu |  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton 
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: SHORT-RUNNING SERIES
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:39:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew):
>> > Um, weren't there some series that ended up with 1 or 2 issue runs 
>
>>[Several series, and] _Power Plays_ as well.
>
>Power Plays has a third issue come out last summer, available only by mail.
>So it's exempt.

Not really, as the third issue wasn't so much a late continuation of the
run as reason the run wasn't continued.  As the writer correctly notes,
he got off to a great start, but the story lost its direction.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Deathstroke Dies in #16 ?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:25:45 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:

>brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers) writes:

>>> I just picked up Team Titans #2, and on the cover, it says that 
>>> Deathstroke is going to die in #16 !?

>>I don't read Team/Titans/Deathstroke, but my wife does. According to what
>>she's read in Advance Comics, Deathstroke will indeed die, but he will get
>>resurrected/cloned/broughtbackfromthedead as his younger self. How this is
>>going to be accomplished I don't know, but with the time problems they've
>>been having I don't think it will be difficult.

>NO!!! Say it isn't so. First they totally ruin Deathstroke in the series and
>the Titans (he used to be interesting), and now they are turning him into
>another young stud with a tight costume. *grump* I liked Deathstroke because
>he was an older guy. It was a nice touch.

>Axly
>

I AGREE!!!! What made Slade so interesting was the fact that he was old enough 
to be the father of most of the titans (ok, well, the Human ones anyway...)

I hate it when they do this.

Dave 
-- 
| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		|  "Imagine every atom in your body   | 
| Communications Systems Research Group |  accelerating away from you at the  |
| University of Saskatchewan		|  speed of light."  "Total Protonic  |
| Saskatoon, Canada                     |  Reversal."  "Okay, that's BAD."    |
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: New version number wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:07:01 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Daniel Frank (danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: 
: Really? I didn't know that MiracleMan was based on Cap. Color me ignorant.
  MiracleMan was originaly called MarvelMan.  The name change was to fend of
legal action by Marvel when the reprints hit America.  He was a genuine 
product of the 50's.  It had something to do with Cap Marvel being unavailable
in the U.K.,  and a market existing for that type of story.  Moore didn't base
him on CM.  The dreams refer to original stories.
: 
: Thanx
: 
: -- 
: :     Daniel Frank    danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           :
: :Moe's angry question, which always precedes one of his     : 
: :violent episodes, is the question of all existentialist men:
: :demanding meaning from a void, "Hmmm, a wise guy, huh?" The:
: :only response - from the void that is Curly - is the tragic:
: :"Nyuck! Nyuck! Nyuck!"---trend book quoted in _Spy_ 3/91   :
-- 

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Wed Aug 26 10:06:59 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:28:06 GMT

In article <BtK6wv.Hy6@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
>The caveat I have is that I like the special issues that you can only get
>by cutting coupons out of other comics.  I did well (on paper) with
>Magnus #0, and I'm hoping to do better with Image #0 and the Trial of
>Venom.  These deals look good to me, but I'm hoping that they don't look
>so good to everybody else that there's a glut of those books.
>
>
>						-- John Schutkeker

     Well, I'd have to say, judging by the attack on ShadowHawk #1
that would have made Shark Week on the Discovery Channel, that a
LOT of people have the same idea about Image Comics #0.  Its still
going to have some ridiculous price on it because enough people
WANT it to, but I betcha you end up seeing a lot of them barring
an Image decision.
     As far as the Venom book goes, there's gonna be a lot of
Charleston Chew around.  And Venom is a "who cares" character now.
Even Wolvie is reaching the "who cares" plateau now.  Barring 
something unforeseen I would have to guess that this book 
will be worth the candy it came with.
 
The Three Most-Asked Questions on the phone to a comic store:
 
1:Any Image Books coming out?
2:Any Valiant Books coming out?
3:Why Not?
 
(My usual answers:
 1:No
 2:Maybe
 3:Because they are too busy counting money or suing people.  The best/
   worst part is a lot of people believe me.)
MDM

-- 
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"Pain don't hurt none" "The key to winning is not losing"  Sparky Anderson
"The only battle that counts is the last one"  Leader Desslok
Micheal Marks  On IRC:Drstyle  saab@ais.org  mmarks@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: How to stop buying the Legion?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:43:28 GMT

Zarathustra (11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu) wrote:
: I'm in this dilemma- Help me, anyone?
: 
: The Legion sucks. 

AMEN!

: How can I stop buying the title, even though it sucks?

Go get an issue off the stands and open it. Look at the horrible art and
terrible plot. Try to remember how good it was. If you are not totally
sickened -- don't hurl on the dealer's inventory -- then put it
down & leave.

: Can
: anyone rationalize this, so I can finally stop buying the title? A little bit
: of history- I have been buying the title since August of 1974, to now, even
: thru the worst years, namely the Gerry Conway issue, as thru the best, the
: early Paul Levitz years and Cary Bates years. I also have a complete run of 
: the Legion, save for Adventure #247. Many thanks, and pax,

Yeah, it's very easy: IT ISN'T THE SAME LEGION! This is some 
abominable nightmare masquerading as the real LEGION. 

Go back and re-read the good times, and put this out of your memory.

Scott
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The Heckler
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:00:05 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

Should I get the Heckler? I don't really want or need to
get any more titles. I am really trying to stay away from
Marvel especially and certain DC titles. I looked inside
the Heckler though and liked the panel arrangement (I have
not seen a book with panelling like that through it for
ages). I have heard good things about this book but is it
worth getting? I also don't want to get it if it is going
to get cancelled soon.

Jed
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C)
Subject: Re: The Heckler
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:55:22 GMT

In article <BtK1KF.C5u@askinc.ask.COM>, robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
> 
> I thought the Generic Man concept was hilarious, though, especially
> when everything he touched > was replaced by just words (ie, "bush",
> "sheep").  The "facial expressions" had me ROTFL also ("anguish",
> "bemusement").

Or a blank expression:  "..."

The Generic Man does a Keith Giffen close-up:
[solid pink panel]

				+-------+
				|       |
				|  eye  |
				|       |
				+-------+

> And, most of all, I hope DC lets this comic live for a while...seems
> like they've been quick to pull the plug lately.

Well, it IS billed as a 3-issue limited series...

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:39:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu0E5x.n0L
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <6ehi02BS20am01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.214534.29908@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>>> Informed sources now say that this rumor is true. Alan Moore will write
>>> one issue of Spawn. ("But he compared Image comics to crack cocaine!" I cry.)
>>> Further, Neil Gaiman will also write one issue of Spawn.
>
>
>Everyone has been complaining about how badly written Image comics are.
>Now that Image is doing something about it, we should be hearing cheers
>of joy. Right?
Exactly. I mean, if I'm correct, Image's biggest problem is the lack
of good writers on the books. Now just imagine if you have great
writers (and Moore and Gaiman ARE great writers) with these good
artists. These have the potential to be really good books.
Yes, I am bothered that Alan Moore will be writing a super-hero comic,
after not touching that particular genre after Watchmen. But, given
that constraint, I will still buy the issue. 
Of course, I'm the guy who also likes Spawn, too (see previous post)
Ray Cornwall
U of D
From: maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:47:35 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

In article <1992Sep4.034803.18824@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>New Big News on Image:
>
>(from Internal Correspondence, the Capital City trade journal)
>Image Comics has scored a major coup by signing Alan Moore, Rick Veitch, and
>Steve Bissette to produce a mini-series with a superhero them entitled "1963".
>"1963" consists of six books, each representing a different title published
>by an imaginary American comic company in 1963.  The six-issue miniseries will
>be followed by an annual.
>
>I'm really scared.  How about you?
>
>Scowling Jim Cowling


Scared?  I'm elated.  We got the Swamp Thing creative team back!  We're going
to see the Bratpack turned loose on the Image universe!  This'll be great, as
long as the other Image guys don't exercise content control on Moore and 
Veitch, and we all know they don't have editors, so....

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Maguire			No, not THAT Kevin Maguire.
maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov	I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:48:03 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

New Big News on Image:

(from Internal Correspondence, the Capital City trade journal)

Image signs Moore, Veitch, and Bissette

Image Comics has scored a major coup by signing Alan Moore, Rick Veitch, and
Steve Bissette to produce a mini-series with a superhero them entitled "1963".
"1963" consists of six books, each representing a different title published
by an imaginary American comic company in 1963.  The six-issue miniseries will
be followed by an annual.

Alan Moore's previous meditation on the nature of superheroes, The Watchmen, is
simply one of the greatest comics of all time.  By teaming up with Veitch and 
Bissette again, Moore has reunited the creative team of Swamp Thing.  For
these and a hundred other reasons, "1963" will be one of the most eagerly
anticipated comic projects in years.


In other news, Bob Wayne of DC Comics confirmed that an agreement was 
reached to create a crossover linking the DC multiverse with the Image universe.

I'm really scared.  How about you?

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
September 8:  Hell makes a return visit.
-------
From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be Unleashed on the Net
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:58:20 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 29-Aug-92 Unrepentant Heresy
About To.. Jason Lee Smith@andrew.c (1290)

> 	I don't really like Sandman any more.

Thank you for your input. Agents have been dispatched to deal with you.

> 	In short, I'm tired of seeing lukewarm storylines put out by a good
> writer, but not a great writer, of comics and have them cheered as
> earth-shattering works of fiction. Don't get me wrong, I like Gaiman's
> work. MiracleMan is great, I thought the Books of Magic were swell, and
> Sandman is a good comic. However, I don't think it deserves the
> attention its been getting. 
[...]
>  I just wanted to see if anyone else shares my feelings.

    I don't, but I have had a possibly related thought. Gaiman started
out the series writing about Myth; the Endless were personifications of
parts of the human psyche, and their actions were Gaiman's way of
talking about that. This is why it was cool.
    With the _Brief Lives_ story, I get the feeling that he has slipped
away from that; he's writing about his characters, not about us. I'm
fascinated by his characters, but it's not quite the same thing. 
    I may of course be totally off-base about this; the completion of
_Brief Lives_ may reveal that Dream's boneheaded love affair,
Destruction's disappearance, Desire's multiple vendettas, and Del's
history and quirks, may all tie in to the original themes. In which case
I will be cheering it as an earth-shattering work of fiction, and you
may consider this post silently retracted. I have enough confidence in
Gaiman to expect this, but your milage may vary.

> 	Also, I really can't stand McKean's artwork on the covers.

Matter of taste. I like McKean's stuff a whole lot.

> 	Also, I think Death is one of the stupidest characters ever created.

Such promising flamebait. :-)

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Fist of Konshu
Keywords: Moon Knight not the same...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:47:54 GMT

For a dissenting view:  I think that Moon Knight's Indignity War crossover was 
(until the recent issue) one of the best ones, because it didn't simply have 
mindless double-bashing (like the current issue has).  It had its own story, 
and gave a name and persona to the double.  As with New Warriors, I find a 
trend where the better IW crossovers tend to have some development of the 
doubles, at least giving them their own names.
     Dave Van Domelen, thought Wondie's double needed more bilateral symmetry
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Advice to CEREBUS Readers (was Re: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:51:50 GMT

To add to that, a 12 month subscription is $45 in Canadian funds, and I don't 
know what in US money (about $35-$40?) and can be ordered by credit card 
(they'll deal with the exchange rate for you).  However, subscribing doesn't 
help find back issues, and if you're going to direct mail you might as well 
wait for the next phonebook and buy that...it'll be cheaper.  The friend who 
loaned me his phonebooks uses that strategy, and that's why he has no M&D to 
loan me.
     Dave Van Domelen, address in too much flux to safely subscribe now anyway
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Shooter LEFT?!? A Question...
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:41:17 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

HANG ON!!!!!!

  Shooter LEFT?!?  I knew I hadn't seen his name on anything, but
WHAT HAPPENED?  Mna, have I ever been out of it!

                               -Drizzt the Geomancer