HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jaf4669@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.A. Fair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Tetris3 gets SLOWER!?!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:26:52 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: jaf4669@ultb


I just down-loaded tetris3 from seq.uncwil.edu.  Everything works well 
on my HP, except one thing:  the game gets SLOWER, not faster as I get 
more and more lines.  What's up?  Is there a patch?

Any help would be good!!

Thanks!

J. Fair  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Subject: Re: Weird Experience with Libraries
Reply-To: mheiskan@.vipunen.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 06 Oct 92 23:44:43 GMT


Directory objects have priority over xlibs in the internal parser.
To avoid your problems, go to home directory (so the SCHIP variable won't
be visible), EDIT cst and press return. The id will change to XLIB name.
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--> mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
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From: kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb)
Subject: Re: Serial Number determination
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:07:30 GMT

ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes:

>The TICKS command returns a 13 nibble binary integer which represents the
>number of 8192 Hz clock ticks since the birth of Christ.

Does this imply that HP has some evidence that Jesus Christ
is a historical person ?

Sorry, I couldn't resist ;-)

Followups to talk.religion.christian,
Flames to /dev/null
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From: kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb)
Subject: Re: Help with strings wanted!
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:25:59 GMT
Keywords: string command line

pshuprs@prism.gatech.EDU (Howlin' Bob) writes:

>if you are editing a string by itself (i.e. you have a string on
>level 1 and push the edit key, or down-arrow) then this problem can
>be solved by changing the number to some number which is LARGER than
>the string. so, do this

>  C$ 1000 BC..DA"

>and the parser will copy all 7 characters into your level 1 string, although
>it is really looking for 1000.

No need to resort to numbers. C$ $ ... will copy the enrire rest
of the commandline into the string. RTFM. 

>>inevitable question is this:  How does one go about editing a string
>>that contains quotation marks in it?  Any help would be liked!  

Just edit it. It will show up as a C$ <nnnn> in the commandline.
Change that number to a dollar sign and make your edits.
But if that string appears in a program, you will have to count
characters anyway.

Hope this helps, -KK
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From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:22:55 GMT
Subject: Re: 3-D graphics
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

In comp.sys.hp48, cs90fat@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anand Rao) writes:

> does anybody know if i can use my hp48sx to display 3-D graphics?
> (ie plot equations of 2 variables like f(x,y))  
> ...
> is there some sort of software i can get either public domain
> or not, or is there a card i can buy that will let me do this?

Get a copy of Suite3D from one of the FTP sites listed in the FAQ.  If you
really want to spend money, then (WARNING!  SHAMELESS ADVERTISEMENT FOLLOWS!)
the book "HP48 Graphics" has some good stuff on 3-d plotting.

Regards
Ray Depew
Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
Disclaimer:  I said what?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 14:09:15 CDT
From: Viscouse P'pello <U50879@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: IR range

    I was wondering if there is a means to increase the range of the IR port, l
ike to beam something across a room, or through walls or something.  Has anyone
 got the hardware specs for this?  What's the difference between 48 IR and remo
te controllers?

     Also, as an interesting diversion, does anyone remember those small, handh
eld gadgets that you put on the phone receiver and it dials a number for you?
I'm interested in coupling this with a phone directory.  I would need to know
if there's someone out there in tellie-land who know the freq's of the numbers,
 as all the o-scopes in my school are chained down.
                                                       Thanks...

         THE SNIPER'S GUILD            '  a.k.a.   Namir Gharaibeh
                                       '
  "Proud Advocates of Creative Mayhem" '           U50879@uicvm.uic.edu
   Viscouse P'pello                    '
   Etatech Industries Rep.             '     University of Illinois
   Chicago Branch, XQ Division         '           at Chicago
From: fee@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Carrying RAM cards around - how?
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:51:42 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi,

I have 4 RAM cards and I use my HP48SX in several locations and
use features from the various cards irregularly.

My problem is I don't have a good way of carrying the cards around, so
they tend to be left in a drawer and therefore aren't always with me
when I need them. Hhmmmm, a handheld feature that isn't always to hand...

Has anyone got a good way of keeping these things near the 48 ie: making
them as portable as the 48? I thought of using the quick reference booklet
pocket but the cards might get damaged.
                                                                         
Any ideas, hints, etc?
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From: hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: problems with files
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:09:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct9.160956.16483
Organization: Washington State University!

I have a catch-22 situation here and I would like to work around it.

problem:  I ordered the serial cable for my new hp48s and expect it in
6 to 8 weeks.

solution:  ftp misc software from seq.uncwil.edu

problem:  the ones in binary cannot be typed in, the asc2bin/bin2asc program
doesn't help if I only want to type it in.

Now what I would like is a source to the inprt routine so I can type it in
and also the source to the asc2bin program that would work on the calculator
so if those are in the calculator I could then type in some of those
"stringhex" programs.

When I get the serial cable, everything will be fine, but I would like to
try out things earlier while waiting.

Hans
hbechtel@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
-- 

Email hbechtel@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu for info on the Transfer Buyers Organization.
Access to the finger command?  Finger hbechtel@frodo.eecs.wsu.edu for info...
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: HP48 as a terminal?  Help?
Message-ID: <2ada6cb4.1896.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

> Is there an index that describes what is available on the goodies
> disks?

Yes, the GD7.IDX file on Goodies Disk #7 is a complete index of disks 1
through 7 (except #4 which is HP's System RPL & Saturn Assembly Tools).
There is also a file called FETCH on that disk which gives PC users a
sort of GREP on the index.

It's too huge to post, unless there is a huge public demand for it, which
I don't forsee.

-Joseph K. Horn-   -Peripheral Vision, Ltd.-
akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
Disclaimer: I don't work for HP, EduCALC, or anybody else.
From: akcs.n2kyw@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:40:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Syseval to check rx pin state?
Message-ID: <2ad48043.1862.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: syseval serial i/o port

As a followup to my earlier posting:

>>Is there a simple syseval or other way to check the state
>>of the serial port's receive pin from a program?  I want to 
>>avoid any ml type overhead stuff, so a single syseval would
>>be ideal.
>>Thanks
>>Paul Smith
>>smit3223@nova.gmi.edu

To which Robert Sanders (pshuprs@prism.gatech.edu) kindly responded:

>Well, Paul, I'm not sure what sort of "overhead" you mean, 
>except maybe typing...

That's pretty much it.  I wanted to be able to write a User RPL 
program to do all the major stuff, and just include one syseval
at the right place, to check the state of the input port.  I still
haven`t taken the HUGE leap into the ML programming world, so I
wouldnt know how to take care of everything in ML.

>Since any serial driver type stuff would want to fast, 
>dropping into ML (from SYSRPL) to check the pin, pushing 
>the T/F flag onto the stack, returning to RPL, executing 
>the next instruction (which would probably drop into ML) 
>etc. would be rather, well, silly.

I certainly agree.  It would be nice if I knew how to take 
care of the rest of the program in ML as well, allowing that
kind of speed.

This particular application does not really need that much speed, 
though.  The program's purpose is to take morse code input (once
externally converted to logic "on" and "off") which would be supplied
to the rx pin as a ttl level (what is it, 0V and -5V ?) and decode
it to ascii, perhaps putting it on the screen as well.  I can handle
all the programming required for the decoding (I've fabricated a chip
before which does this sort of thing), I'm just missing the program
access to the pin state.

Any further info would be appreciated, even some ML stuff
(I guess now's as good a time as any to dive in  :)  )

Thanks
Paul Smith  (N2KYW)
smit3223@nova.gmi.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Serial Number determination
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:25:46 GMT

Alastair M. Bor (st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu) wrote:
: Couldnt one look at the TICKS of their machine? Doesn't every machine
: have a different TICKS? (Or the likelyhood of a machine having the
: same number be very low?) Then you find the time and offset the TICKS
: by the change in time. If its the same machine then TICKS-TIME OFFSET
: should alway be the same. You could determine the TIME OFFSET by looking
: at the clock each time you run this particular program and comparing it
: to the number of ticks that have occured since the last time. 
: 
: 
: Perhaps I am totally off base.. but its just a thought...
: 
: -Alastair Bor
: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu

All the TICKS command is is the number of 1/8192ths of a second that has
elapsed since Midnight, 1 January, "AD 0" (there's no such year, but no matter).
Try evaluating:
\<<
1992 365.242198781 * 1.01 DATE DDAYS + 24 *
TIME HMS\-> + 29491200 * TICKS -
\>>
You should get a number very close to zero (you will need to +/- it first).
I mean, the number is probably a few million, but that's just the few seconds
you took to type the commands between TIME and TICKS, and also the fact that
the 365. . . .  is not exact (I think it's out by about 13 hours).

The numbers: 1992: This year, I hope :)
             365.242198781: The average number of days in a year.
                (Try 1_yr 1_d CONVERT)
             1.01: January 1.  This is the same regardless of your flag -42.
                (Remember it defaults to this year).
             24: Hours in the day
             29491200: Ticks in an hour; equals 8192 by 60 by 60.

HP does not put serial numbers into ROM; it would be too expensive since
every ROM would have to be done individually.  Also, be aware that if you
are using anything apart from ML (not even system RPL will help) then if a
garbage collection between the TIME and the TICKS instructions happens in
the example above, you will get a different answer.  My HP48 varies by a good
couple of thousand ticks per run.

Tim Pickett
From: ryu@ZGNews.LoneStar.Org (Richard Kuo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: TDS 256K card
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 22:48:42 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Zeitgeist BBS, Plano, TX  214 596 3720

bobc@natinst.com (Bob Conyne) writes:

> I just purchased a TDS 256K card and was surprised to learn that merging
> memory is absolutely not an option.  The reason is that the bank switching
> software is expecting two independent 128K banks, and will not work if you
> attempt to merge the card (actually, the card will merge beautifully, but
> you will never be able to access the second 128K bank).  This significantly
> reduces the utility of the card in my opinion, because what you have in
> effect is a 32K computer with 2 128K "firm" disks.  What would have really
> been nice is some way to merge 128K, and have the second 128K be independent.
> Since merging is what I want to do, I guess I'll have to exchange down for a 
> 128K card.
> 
> Anyone from TDS care to comment?
> 
> --Bob

I have a 256k ramcard also.  What I did was I moved everything into the 
libraries, and then pulled out what I wanted and stored it in the main 
memory.  That way, you have both banks holding data, and you can switch 
between the two.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: TICKS: The final word?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:45:43 GMT

Well, I like to get a little flame now and then - It makes me certain
that there are people listening.  Yes, I didn't @ the comments, so you
had to type it in by hand . . . (sigh).  Here is the same program,
MINUS all comments.  You should be able to download it straight to
your 48. I can't try it right here and now, so chances are it still won't work
- but then it isn't much of an effort to edit this (please not with vi!)
and fix it. . .

Tim Pickett

---------cut here -----------
%%HP: T(1)A(R)F(.);
\<<
     64 STWS
     TIME TICKS
     483 366 * 1509 365 * +
     1.01 DATE DDAYS +
     R\->B 24 * 3600 * 8192 *
     -
     SWAP HMS\->
     3600 * 8192 * 0 RND
     -
     B\->R
 \>>
From: noel@wtgdir.UUCP (noel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP48 sx for sale
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:00:59 GMT
Organization: wtgdir
Reply-To: grace!wtgdir!noel@moscom.com

I have a HP48sx for sale.  Includes serial cable for Macintosh.  It
also has a 128k ram card and the Equation Lib.

Will not split.  Consider reasonable offers.


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grace!wtgdir!noel@moscom.com or noel@aber.umsl.edu           
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From: akcs.letmein@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Chris Gadda)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:40:03 GMT
Subject: Re: HP48 Bug??? or feature
Message-ID: <2ad27d4a.1855.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

I'm  by no means a HP-48 wizard and can't tell you what 'symb is, but
I have experienced one before.  To get rid of it, turn LASTARG on,
clear the stack and press left-shift and then the corresponding menu
key.  This will produce an error and then leave the name ''symb' on your
stack.  Then you can PURGE it as normal.  D.01 is the arbitrary name
that the HP picks for a directory whos name was lost yet was still 
intact after a crash.  If more than one such directory is found, D.02,
D.03, etc. are the names used.  That's the extent of my knowledge on
this subject.  After now.

Chris Gadda
   The guy who doesn't waste time coming up with a witty saying for 
   every letter.
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: AMU units
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:23:45 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct7.202656.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsemm@acad3.alaska.edu (Edward M. Moore) writes:

>Hello.  I'm having a slight problem working with my HP48Sx's units.  I can't
>seem to find any unit for "atomic mass" or "molecular mass".  is there such a
>unit, and where can I find it?

Nonexistant. You gotta:

	1) use g/mol
	2) use g/gmol (the EQ lib card uses this. 1_gmol UBASEs to 1_mol)
	3) Check the unit chapter on how to create a unit (I seem to recall
	   it's relatively straightforward) and define amu to be either 1)
	   or 2).

--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: steffen@stud.cs.uit.no (Steffen Baeroe)
Subject: PDL
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:38:28 GMT

Is there anybody out there who has a PDL for PC.
Could the same someone post it to mee???????

Thank's in advance!

Steffen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: pesser@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Peter Esser)
Subject: Re: TRON "shields"
Keywords: TRON game shield key
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:08:59 GMT

     TRON game for the 48?   Where?
 

                      Fitz
From: pshuprs@prism.gatech.EDU (Howlin' Bob)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: checking
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:52:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I hate to post about this, but can someone mail me and tell me
if you saw my article in which I discussed the Blank$ function
in ROM?

Like most of my posts, it was long and ill-punctuated.
Thanks,
RObert


-- 
Robert Sanders 
Georgia Institute of Technology
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!pshuprs
Internet: pshuprs@prism.gatech.edu     OR  gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Serial Number determination
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:53:04 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

>All the TICKS command is is the number of 1/8192ths of a second that has
>elapsed since Midnight, 1 January, "AD 0" (there's no such year, but no matter).

Wait a minute!  If this is true, then my HP must be living in the past...
I only get # 503623063 from ticks.  That works out to 61477 secs... or about
17 hrs.  Gee, if my calculator is correct, I can go to Jerusalem and change
Christs' diapers :^).  What gives here?


Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
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Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Subject: Re: Tetris3 gets SLOWER!?!
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:14:06

In article <1992Oct9.222652.12408@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
jaf4669@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.A. Fair) writes:

   I just down-loaded tetris3 from seq.uncwil.edu.  Everything works well 
   on my HP, except one thing:  the game gets SLOWER, not faster as I get 
   more and more lines.  What's up?  Is there a patch?

Dump tetris3 and get the machine-language Tetris library written
by Per Konradssen.  The bug that makes the pieces drop slower
with increasing levels is fairly easy to fix (although I've since
forgotten how), but there are other bugs that cause memory
corruption.  It wasn't worth having it around because of the
frequent crashes it caused.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: akcs.ejf@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (edward joseph fasula)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:40:03 GMT
Subject: development link
Message-ID: <2ad37d2b.1648.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Well it depends on how much user programming you do.  A simple text
editor will do a pretty good job too.
From: jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov (Jethro H. Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Bug with archive???
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:49:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct15.044942.6963
Followup-To: jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM
Originator: jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov

Hi.

I have discovered that every time that I do a system reset (On-C)
while doing a system archive, a strange phenomenon occurs.  Everything
in all of my disappears, but I don't get my memory back.  (No, it's not
in last stack or anything that simple.)  Has anyone else had this problem?
Hopefully, this posting will prevent someone from losing his/her memory. 
I was lucky and had backed up my system only hours before.

Jed
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From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Carrying RAM cards around - how?
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: miser.STEVEV.92Oct14010020
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores

In article <107200004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray
Depew) writes:

   In comp.sys.hp48, fee@waikato.ac.nz writes:

   > I have 4 RAM cards and I use my HP48SX in several locations and
   > use features from the various cards irregularly.
   [...]
   > Has anyone got a good way of keeping these things near the 48 ie: making
   > them as portable as the 48? I thought of using the quick reference booklet
   > pocket but the cards might get damaged.

   Just for fun, I pulled my billfold out of my pocket, and my
   EqLib card out of my 48.  The card really *is* the same size
   as a credit card!  I tried slipping the card into the
   credit-card holder -- you know, the clear plastic accordion
   thing where you put your girlfriends' pictures instead of
   credit cards?  The ROM card fits great.

This also means that those of you who haven't been able to afford
expansion cards for your HP 48SX can use the card bay to carry
your credit cards.  It appears you can fit one in each card slot
comfortably.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: akcs.ejf@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (edward joseph fasula)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:40:03 GMT
Subject: Re: SmartROM price rebate finally accepted
Message-ID: <2ad6096c.1878.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Are you kidding?  You have a spreadsheed library?  I don't know if I need
another card.  Can you sell the spreadsheet library or convince me (
Civil Engineering undergrad....) that I need the card too, please.  A
spreadsheet program is almost too good to immagine for the work I do!