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From: jlevine@apollo.hp.com (Jennifer E. Levine)
Subject: Re: Strange Things Afoot in Marvel about Supes
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:56:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Nov.20.14.14.00.1992.1991@dorm.rutgers.edu>, jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) writes:
|> On the letters page of Ghost Rider #33, there is another one panel tribute:
|> 
|> GR is sitting, his back against a tombstone, on which we can read:
|> 	HERE LIES KA(rest blocked by GR's body)
|> 
|> The words balloons say:
|> 	'The balance of good & evil has been upset - weighted more toward evil
|> than ever before.  Your super-strength couldn't save you, man from Krypton...
|> ...and for your death... ...I must seek vengence!'
|> 
|> Disclaimer: I don't read GR.  I only picked up the issue because Madcap was in
|> it. :)
|> 
|> -jak

Do you think maybe Marvel bought Supes and thats how he comes back:
	as an Avenger or an Xman?!?
	:)
	
	Now that would be odd...
	--Jennifer
	jlevine@apollo.hp.com
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Elektra and Frank Miller ..
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:52:31 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

>I was wondering:  Does the Elektra character belong to Frank Miller.  I 
>would not have thought so since she was created in the pages of Daredevil, 
>but I think most of Miller's work on the character was under Epic, Marvel's 
>creator-owned line of books.  What's the scoop?

Elektra *is* owned by Marvel.

FM just gets a bigger cut of the royalties for the sales of the Epic books
(if I understand correctly what little I know)

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:18:58 GMT

CC is the original "sleezy comic store (tm)"  I swear that man would sell
his soul as a limited series #1 autographed by the sister of the writer's
wife for only 200x cover price.

I went to Fantasy Realm this morning like I always do since I sub and this
way I dont have to deal with hordes of idiots standing around.  Lo and behold
there are tons of people in there fighting over 9 issues that were left from
the buffer supply held back last night.  So much for a realzing trip to
le olde comic shop

-- 
"Salam and good evening to you sir.  Welcome to Agribah, land of mystery
of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:23:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov16.172107.16985@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) writes:
>How about this Jim guy and a representative from LNH (Scav or someone) write to
>each other in civilized email and stop tying up the net.  When the two of them 
>have reached an agreement on what to do about LNH, they will then post to .misc
>and let us all know. No mess, no angry words, no worn out 'n' keys.  Just 
>settle things like civilized people.  Didn't we evolve from bone-toting apes 
>for a reason?

Yeah, we also developed communication skills for a reason, too.  Dave and 
Scav aren't the only two people who should make this decision...
Democracy in action, SIR.  Let the readers decide.  Granted, we can do
without the flames, but we can NOT do without the discussion.  If you
don't like it, or don't care, KILL THE THREAD.

It's that easy.  I, for one, am not gonna just sit back and watch as 
some people try to take the LNH away from me and any others who don't
have access to the alt.group!

That said, have a nice day, folks!
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.212607.9649@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
> >
> >I'm sure Hades will be more than happy to fill you in on the details, but
> >the deal is that you first must have a RFD (crossposted to news.groups),
> >then a CFV a month after that, and then the results of the CFV a month
> >after.
> >
> >Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
> >A "no fanfic" rule?
> 
> I know how to set up a CFV, sir.

Now I know.  However:

> I didn't think that a detailed description
> was necessary to point out something known by most readers here.

NEVER underestimate the cluelessness of your typical net.reader, especially
after a new fall semester has started...

> Yep, "no fanfic".  Sounds good to me.

I don't think we should condemn all fanfic just because the current fad
(LNH) sucks dingo's kidneys.

> How about this?  Rec.arts.comics.fanfic.

It would fly as well as a lead baloon.  For one thing, Gary Stollman is
very much against fanfic newsgroups if they involve characters copyrighted
by other people (which is sure to happen in r.a.c.fanfic).

You'll note I haven't voted in your straw poll.  I don't care about LNH,
but I don't see why it should be kicked out just because I don't like it.
-- 
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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: where Metropolis is
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14689.2b07a000

In article <vanyel.721934260@camelot>, vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
> _Who's Who in the LSH_ a few years ago), Metropolis has been suggested to
> be a sister city of some kind to New York.  Same with Gotham.  I recall
> suggestions that NYC isn't as big in the DC Universe as it is in real life,
> and that portions of it have formed completely separate cities.
> 
> Personally, I just wish DC would explain this once and for all.

Why?  What difference does it make? As long as the stories are
good, the latitude and longitude don't really matter.

But if you must know, Metropolis is west of the Atlantic, east
of the Pacific, south of the North pole and north of the South pole.
Gotham City can be located similarly, but the other way around. 

Massive :-)'s

Mark Balbes
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Date: 17 Nov 1992 05:52:30 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@tornado.berkeley.edu

	When Destruction said that reason was no more reliable a tool than
dream, myth, or instinct, my first reaction was to argue. Then it occurred
to me that the DC universe is a place where magic works. In such a realm,
Destruction's words may be literally true.

	When Delirium checks in on Etain in the latest issue, the picture
seems to be of Etain standing in the same pose as the Threshold. (What does
this mean? I have no idea.)

	Each issue so far has featured one of the Endless reminiscing
about Destruction. Gaiman's been starting with the younger ones, and
moving towards the older ones. The brief present-day scene of Destruction
in part 3 is in about the right place in the storyline to be Destruction's
installment.

	I have an odd feeling that that sick dancer is pregnant. Just
why, I'm not certain. One could hardly have a briefer human life than
that of an aborted fetus.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "Bagels can be an enormous force for good or for 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  evil. It is up to us to decide how we will use
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |  them."    -- Daniel M. Pinkwater
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From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia
	<1992Nov13.105438.60808@cc.usu.edu> <1992Nov14.002059.3532@netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.002059.3532@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani
Zweig) writes:

: My own thought is that you can't ban a topic from the closest-to-appropriate
: official group on the grounds that an alt group exists.  Not that it isn't
: tempting, in this case.

I must agree here. Personally I skip the LNH stuff, it's not
particularly interesting to me, but this _is_ the place their stuff
should be going.

This is where the LNH postings belong, they are, after all, comics
related, and those not wishing to read them should use their kill
files or just skip the articles (as I do).

	- Robi
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From: f_alfan@pavo.concordia.ca (ALFANI, FABRIZIO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:11:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <69160@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes...
>In regards to Delphi's vision of the Hulk's mental state, laughing with blood
>on his hands...why,it was right there in Hulk #400, page 46, panel 1.  I'm
>surprised no one has commented on it.
> 
>PAD


Well I'll be damned! you're right!!
 Now that I've thought about it, maybe I (and perhaps others) didn't catch
on to this because I was expecting Delphi's vision to pertain to some evil,
insidious, foul and outright cruel act that the soon to be (even more-)
mentally unstable Hulk would commit, possibly towards one or more of the 
supporting cast. Don't get me wrong, his actions in #400 are pretty outrageous,
but I was hoping Delphi had foreseen him killing Rick Jones, or Betty, something
 really rotten. All in all though, I like the direction the Hulk is taking,
and you've given me enough material to start writing my psychology thesis on 
the subject.

                                        ---Doom, Boysenberry Jam Fan
From: mikecap@newton.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The last article that went Re:The LNH, etc.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:51:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: newton.wpi.edu


Once more - *sigh*

Why don't we just drop the thread please?  Perhaps the individual who posted
the last LNH - before you scowl article didn't realize that he was adding to 
the "traffic".  Apparently, the LNH isn't allowed to post, but his gripes
about all that traffic are just fine.  I for one am tired of it - we've all
had our fun, now let's talk about miscellaneous things ;)

Mike C. (Zen - having added one more to the LNH traffic everybody hates so 
            darn much)


-- 
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 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
From: mikecap@gelfand.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Everyone's problems with the LNH
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:58:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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First off, I just want to say that I've been reading all of this hokey stuff 
with no small amount of amusement.  Mr. Cowlinng insists that he is greatly 
offended by all of the LNH posts which can easily be disposed of with the 
touch of an "n".  I really don't see any cause for great distress.  After
all, this isn't exactly as though we were dealing with some major political
issue - christ, if people went to this much trouble over important topics, 
maybe the world wouldn't have so many problems.  Doesn't it always seem like
the little s**t that offends the people who think they have power?  

"How DARE you come into MY newsgroup posting your OPINIONS and FANFIC!!!  I'm
   going to COMPLAIN!  grumblegrumble...goddamn first amendment...grumble."

What an inconvenience it must be for all these people to spend their spare 
moments touching the "n" key, or putting LNH in their killfile!  I feel 
almost ashamed that I haven't done something about it sooner...

But have pity for these poor souls who think they're important - and spend 
their time reading about miscellaneous comics things - of course it's the
LNH's fault!  They've gone out of their way to make sure that people don't
crosspost, even going so far as to form their own newsgroup so that people
wouldn't be so readily offended!  Shame on you, LNH!  Why didn't you go away
like we asked!

I feel most sorry for poor Mr. Kowling, who has to go through all the trouble
of officially banning the LNH from the misc. newsgroup (where it obviously 
doesn't belong.  what a silly idea!).  It's a shame when honest citizens have
to go out and police the newsgroups on their own - especially when everyone 
owns the net.  Who says the net doesn't belong to one person?  I think Mr. 
Cooling should be in charge of the entire net - why, we could have comics 
auctions all the time!!  I LOVE reading about his auction updates, but it's 
really a bother to hit that dang "n" key when I don't want to read them, or
really couldn't care less.  Hell, everyone should use rec.arts.comics.misc for
fun and profit!

Thanks for hearing me out.

Mike C.

BTW, for the satire-impaired:  This is pretty funny, flaming stuff.




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 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:03:05 GMT

In article <By1Cno.Mn8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>CC is the original "sleezy comic store (tm)"  I swear that man would sell
>his soul as a limited series #1 autographed by the sister of the writer's
>wife for only 200x cover price.
>
>I went to Fantasy Realm this morning like I always do since I sub and this
>way I dont have to deal with hordes of idiots standing around.  Lo and behold
>there are tons of people in there fighting over 9 issues that were left from
>the buffer supply held back last night.  So much for a realzing trip to
>le olde comic shop
>
>-- 
I was at Fantasy Realm this morning, and I heard the manager telling
how ridiculous it was that people were fighting over the Supes comic
when he first opened up. He agreed it was insane, and then mentioned
that Comics Cavalcade had a guy there on Thursday who had been trying to 
buy Supes issues from people who subbed and gotten them from FR. 
Then they would 
turn around and sell them at CC at a price that increased every hour
(or something ridiculous like that). I find it hard to believe that
vendors are allowed to sell comics at market value _the day_ they get
them. What the hell is the point of a cover price? I'v seen Lobo
issues at CC selling for $5 the day they come in! However, for those
who simply want to read the story (yeah I know they say it was lame,
but I think a copy of the story would still be interesting), next week
DC will be releasing a 2nd printing for $1. Also, in 3 weeks a TPB of
all the Doomsday issues will be sold for pretty cheap ($5 I think). 
BTW, won't Supes Death hit the grocery stores in about a month? Or did
DC release their version early to coincide with when the comic shops
get their issues? 
Ah, well...at least Doom 2099 wasn't a disappointment even if I had
to wait 20 minutes in line to buy it....not bad at all, even if it
isn't the real Victor vonDoom.
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods The good parts version
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:42:18 GMT

In article <nudnik.722311643@camelot> nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks) writes:
>it's only a flesh wound.
>he'll get better...  
>
>...in time for the _Superman_ Annual, _The [Superman] Man of Steel_ Annual, 
>the _Action Comics Starring Superman_ Annual, and the _Adventures of Superman_
>Annual, a big "welcome-back-you're-alive-after-all" 64-page one shot 
>explaining how Lobo saved his life through mouth-to-mouth resusitation, 
>a new black and red costume (to be changed back to the original blue and 
>red in a special 30-part cross-over series six months later, as announced 
>by Advance Comics and the Comic Shop News six months prior to the actual 
>issue coming out), and the introduction of two new titles:  the _Adventures 
>of Clark Kent_ and _Superman's Pal, LOBO_.
>and let's not forget an across-the-board price hike.

Hey! Next time you print a spoiler like this, be sure to notify people that
it's got spoilers. Some of us would to at least like to pretend we don't
know what will happen, and that Supes' resurrection will be a really 
interesting and original storyline. Sure, I'm a foolish optimist, but 
heck that's just how I am!  :-)
-- 
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                           | around a saucer of beer."
CompuServe: 74076,1250     | -- Alexander Cockburn, LA Times 11/15/92
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four Spin off?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:06:07 GMT

In article <2dF=m4+@engin.umich.edu> aelujan@beauty.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan) writes:
>
>I just read something in the RACM postings about Marvel coming
>out with a new FF series?  Is this just a 2099 thing or a regular
>series?  If someone could either post or send me the info I would
>greatly appreciate it.

It's called "Fantastuc Four Unlimited" and is due for release in January.
It's the first of Marvel's new line of quarterly books (of which the
Marvel Seasonal Specials was a precursor).

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:11:24 GMT

In article <BxxHM9.786@umassd.edu>, acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
> 	Could anyone tell me the Batman and Hulk issues that Harlan Ellison 
> wrote? Any other comic titles would also be appreciated. I know he also
> wrote a "Twilight Zone" comic that had to do with Demonology..

There was a DC Graphic Novel "Demon With A Glass Hand", which was an adaptation
of an Outer Limits episode that Harland Ellison scripted.  No demons in it,
just aliens and robots.  Art by Marshall Rogers.  A match made in heaven,
better than the original.

Epic magazine also adapted a couple of Ellison stories, "The Whimper of Whipped
Dogs" was one, about the Kyben wars.  They were illustrated by (darn it.  The
Forgotten One strikes again.  Some Canadian who illustrated Tempus Fugitive),
and they may have been collected into a later volume.

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:02:22 -0500 
From: Harith Jameel Alkhafiz <ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: LNH: Re: The Ditko Zone
	<Bxvz81.IvM@news.udel.edu>

On 18-Nov-92 in The Ditko Zone               
user James John Krupski@ravel writes:
>Yes yes, well said.  In that spirit, I'd like to point out that the 
>"Floating Eyeball Zone" was originally created by Steve Ditko,
>in the original Dr. Strange stories in _Tales_of_Suspense_ or
>_Strange_Tales_ or whatever book it was, lo these many years ago.
>(Yeah, I heard that those old stories are being reprinted as a
>Marvel Masterwork early next year.  Some of us are looking forward to it.)
> 
>Kirby and other artists used Ditko's funky hallucinatory background as a
>backdrop for strange dimensions, and it became a Marvel Standard Background
>for any odd, or magical, or otherdimensional space.
> 
>Now, Mr. Alkhafiz is welcome to say what he likes in the silly LNH stories,
>but in the spirit of, what was it,
>"proper credit and respect to the originators of the field",
>It's The Ditko Zone, not "The Kirby Zone".
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now that I think about it, I realize that Slippery Jim is right.  Ditko
was the first to use the floating eyeballs.  However, Kid Kirby taps
into the Power Kirby, and the Kirby Zone just happens to be decorated in
the traditional floating eyeball scheme.  I'm sure that there is a Ditko
Zone (and maybe even a Ditko Lad or Lass :-).  That just wasn't it.  I
like Ditko's Dr. Strange a lot, so there's no disrespect intentended.

Jameel
Physicist-At-Large

>"Do not revel too much in the Power Kirby, young one!
> Beware, Kid Kirby, those that weild the Power Ditko..."
>                              -the Really Ancient One }:->

"Really Ancient One?!  I-I thought that you were one with the Internet! 
I found the Kirby Zone like that, really!  I intended no disrespect!"
                               -Kid Kirby

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From: friedman@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: LNH and WeaselNews (was: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.)
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:53:14 GMT

In article <5931@balrog.ctron.com> lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence) writes:
>One other consideration is that currently, the R.A.C.misc newsgroup is 
>the only access to Alt.Comics.LNH available to those who have not yet
>been able to subscribe to it.

Try WeaselNews, which was created to help people like you:

	telnet boa.cis.ohio-state.edu 4321

It's a simple (less that 100-line) program that presents a raw file
echo interface. (read: write your own client).  At least it's *there*!

>I agree that the lion's share of this problem can be eliminated if all
>LNH posts have "LNH:" included in the subject line and that's whay
>I advocate.

Yup, this is pretty much the bottom line.

						- Mark

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