From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Clinton Gore position on women
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:19:51
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In article <1992Oct16.181305.10356@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>In article <MUFFY.92Oct16094916@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>>In article <SK73171.92Oct16181353@peippo.cs.tut.fi> sk73171@cs.tut.fi (Kiiskil{ Sami) writes:
>>>In article <1bfsf1INNdsq@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>>
>>>> Yep.  That's right.  He made that choice *before* the birth
>>>> control failure when he decided to take his dick out of his 
>>>> pants and stick it into a woman.
>>
>>>And the woman didn't make any decision if she will have sex with him
>>>or not since women just do what their men want ??? Therefore she is not
>>>responsible for any results of her action ???
>>
>>Oh, wow, you're right!  I bet it *never* occurred to anyone here that
>>women might be able to make choices too!  But now that you have
>>enlightened us on that matter, I have this great idea!  What if they're
>>*BOTH* responsible?  What a concept, eh?  Or is that way too difficult?

>You -should- have expressed this view to Michal Leah Peri, who quite
>clearly stated that 

Why *should* I do *anything*?  Certainly not because you tell me to.
Why don't *you* do what you think *should* be done and leave me to make
my own decisions?

>MLP>>> Yep.  That's right.  He made that choice *before* the birth
>MLP>>> control failure when he decided to take his dick out of his
>MLP>>> pants and stick it into a woman.

He *did* make a choice.  I don't disagree with this.

>Your sarcastic attacking of one who apparently shares your view, but
>seems to be male looks suspiciously like prejudice. Most would apply
>their sarcasm to those with opposing views, "What a concept, eh"?
>Or, dare I say it, "is that way too difficult"?

Umm...as far as I know, Sami could be either male or female.  I can't
tell; I'm not very familiar with Finnish names.  On the other hand,
Gordon apparently shares my views and seems to be male, yet I don't
attack him, so your theory would not seem to hold water.  Sami, on the
other hand, is the person who thinks that women are "extreme shelfish"
(*grin*), only want money and power, and don't have any emotions.  Nope,
I'm afraid we *don't* share any views.  You know, Rich, this is one of
those darn context things again.  I've read enough of Sami's posts that
that address went in my kill file this morning.  We definitely do *not*
agree.  I suspect, given Sami's other posts, that this one is more
likely to mean that *only* women should be responsible, although, of
course, I can't be absolutely certain.

Muffy
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Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn