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From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:RE %%%%%%  T H E   L O S E R,   DJ
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:10:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan5.185818.16093@news.duc.auburn.edu>, kim@magneto.physics.aubu
rn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:


>Thank you for your personal opinion.
>
>To tell the truth, I did not mind who be the korean Prez. One year ago, I
>have favored YS but after long discussion with several of my friend over here
>I concluded that each candidate had pro and con respectively. So
>I just became curiouse who was the final winner and their campaign, for
>in the future I might be a brain of a certain candidate whether he would
>be politician or not. So I wanted to analyse regradress of who would be the
>Prez.  As Minho told, the deep and variable view point may help the MINJU-new
>generation to prepare for the next election.
>
>Anyway I am enjoying the discussion on this topic.
>
>I hav followed the poll done by korean research company from April to November
>last year and recently I have read CHOSUN ILBO which released the 5-polls
>donw by KOREAN GALLUP (?). Both sources have shown that DJ has been led by
>YS 5%-9% from the beginning of the last year and DJ has never led YS at least
>one time.
>
>This information seems different from yours.   The director of korean Gallup
>pointed out about the structure of the election as two kim's battle from the
>beginning of the election and the question was how much DJ could reduce the
>GAP between YS and himself.
>
>The 5 time-poll done by CHOSUN ilbo and KOREAN GALLUP in NOVEMBER, 1992
>showed DJ have never lead YS even one time and also the gap was always more
>than 5%.
>
>I remember that the DJ's campaign headquater assured that at the final stage
>of the electiion DJ led 1%-2% ober YS as YOU CLAIMED, but korean research poll
>and korean Gallup poll did not show any possibility which could support
>the claim as MINJU did.


It was interesting to me.

[Deleted]


The korean research center and the korean gallup are known to be
contractors with the YS's side during the election period.
I am doubtable Those YS's contractors could boldly disclose that YS was
lagging behind DJ right after the Pusan scandal.

(Cho-Sun Il Bo was blamed about being biased for YS during the election).


I don't remember the exact date of a Jung-Ang Ilbo newspaper (after Dec. 18).
The article was designed for the postelection analysis.   The article said
about the results of the polls right after the Pusan scandal.  But they
didn't mention the exact names of the poll agents,  they just indicated
many polls. The article said exactly what I said before.  The nwespaper
commented they were allowed to reveal the results of the polls on condition
they are published only on the American edition.




                       Minho Jo,  Lehigh University
                       Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
                       Industrial Engineering Department


My ultimate goal is to build, "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"

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From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: The Reliability of the poll in Korea
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:40:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

Even though I declared not to continue posting regarding post-election
issues, Mr. Minho Jo's thread on the reliablity of Korean polls reminds me 
something to add.

It was exacly polls that made me think about opposition leaders again in 
1987. After election, major papers released theire polls during the 
campaign period. It reflected exacly the same as the result.
 Only one short time,
YS led Roh after he raised issue about 12.12 incident(?) when he 
recruited former general Chung, SeungHwa. After that, no opposition candidates
led Roh. So I concluded that they were not realistic or scientific. 
My reasoning was that either (1) they did not conduct polls
or  (2) they believed "baram" until the election day
or  (3) they were just jerks who did not think what people wanted.

I could not accept Minho's assumptions and proof either.
The 87 polls showed that their prediction was precise.
When I heard the poll which MINJOO relied on, I thought the same thing.
When CY revealed the poll, he said he was following YS but leading DJ.
From this, I still believe that
either (1) they just took advantage of polls for campaigning tools, which
   they  manipulated to be favorable to them,
   or  (2) they are still unrealistic or unscientific
   or  (3) they just fought for their political share not for presidency.
But I do not support Minho's supposition that Chosun ILBO might
manupulate the poll because sooner or latter, we can see the polls from all
other major newspapers as we did in 1987.
In addition, the poll was conducted mainly by Gallup Korea.
Do you think the Gallup took the risk of losing the most important business 
asset, the reliability of poll?
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Hyundai Hunday Hyunday  HeeeYonnDayyyy
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Why do english speaking people have such difficulty pronouncing
the middle Y in Hyundai ?

Talking to the Hyundai Deeler in the US and keep hearing
"hun day"

Is something different about the shape of the tounge ?
Or does america think the middle Y after the H is silent ?

Maybe they should have spelled it Heeyunday from the start.

I hear there are other korean words that englishers cannot 
pronounce either. What are they ?


- jon

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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Goodbye, Cruel World.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:28:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.171445.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>Goobye, Cruel World
>
>Goodbye, cruel world, I'm leaving you today
>Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.
>Goodbye, all you people, 
>There's nothing you can do to make me change my mind
>Goodbye...

Heavy drinking is known to cause the attitude above.  Boys, don't drink &
drive or drink & post.

>Henry E Chon

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:35:44 GMT


Here is my rebuttal Mr. Asano. My response to the argument on
this current thread is not the most important part. Rather, it
is my response to the last paragraph.

ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
: Mr. Barrera writes,
: 

... some of my blather deleted ...

:                                                       It does make a
: great diiference to me that I am Japanese because I am human and that's
: the what God made me. I had respect for you but I see that you are no
: more then uneducated worm.

Mr Asano, my point was that the fact you are japanese had no relevance
to the argument. I did not say that the fact that you are Japanese has
to relevance to your life or existance. I sincerely hope this argument
is not your life and existance ;-)

: 

... more of my own blather deleted ...

: 
: You are ignorant!
: 

A wonderfully well thought out argument. 

: {other opinions a waste of time to respond to!}
: 
: Let me give you some advice! You are playing with someone that you don't
: know. In the future you should consider responding to me in a more
: mature manner. I really had to hold back considerably from verbally
: insulting you. This is a threat you ass. Leave me alone! If you can not
: talk to me rationally you pig then I will fix it. I am  sick of your
: race(caucasian) insulting my person. Please leave me alone.

Oh Mr Asano. Are you resorting to threats? There is a saying we have in
this country : "He who resorts to threats and violence is the one who had
lost the argument."

Mr Asano, you talk about maturity. Calling another person's argument "corny"
and calling that person "ignorant" and finally resorting to threats are not
considered mature. Oh, I am certainly willing to leave this thread by the
way, because although I did not like your attitude towards other people, I 
really have nothing to gain from this verbal fencing. And what despite what
you imply, all I lose is my own time. 

Have a good day.

-chris barrera     



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From: <CHPARK@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: Errata: "Tal-Choom" (fig.) Rhon [1-4 of 4] articles
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:23:54 GMT

Greet, K-netters:

NetNews fail me again. It seems that NetNews does support "transfer in
binary mode" (as in ftp). It is found that there is loss of "codes"
in the posted "Tal-Choom" articles. Very sorry, if it bothers.

The source of problem is that "A-Re" Hangeul does not support
PostScripting (in any version). They should make a program to support
PostScripting. Anyway, so far it is found that:
(1) ftp (get/put in binary transfer mode) preserve the .hwp file
(2) one may "sendfile" the ftp'ed .hwp file in the network.
    (e.g., IBM mainframe has command "sendfile") It is found that
    the combination of (1) and (2) work successfully so that one
    can send a *.hwp file from the U.S. to Korea (vice versa).
(3) however, posting *.hwp file in s.c.k turns out to be a failure, yet.
(4) a help from a brilliant guru may solve the problem.
(5) however, the README portion of the [1 of 4] "Tal-choom" articles
    was able to be read (of course, this part is in plain text); what is
    meant by (5) is that since the plain text is release anyway, any one
    who is interested in the series of essays (that are failed to be posted)
    may get upon request via e-mail (need Bitnet and Internet).
---------------------------------------------------------------
chpark@vm.cc.purdue.edu               A Disciple of Logos
pchpark@ktrc.kotel.co.kr                   -W'n'W-
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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: one more comment on 'mae'
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:39:16 GMT

After reading all these discussions on the merits of 'mae', I thought about
my childhood.

I still vividly remember what my mother told me when I was young.  When I
did not behave myself, she told me this story.

"Cows and pigs have to be hit to let them know of your intentions because
they do not speak human language.  But you are different.  You perfectly
understand what I want you to do, and yet you disobey me.  One who does not
act on what one heard is no better than one who could not understand.
So, if you go on acting like a pig, I will treat you like a pig."

I think I felt rather insulted that I was equated to animals.  Or I was to
chicken to laugh at the threat of imminent corporal punishment.  So, I
behaved myself after a sermon like the above.  Maybe my memories like this
are making me think that it is possible to raise a kid without hitting
them.

As for the beatings I got in high school, they did nothing to me other than
making me hate the system.  Of all the beatings I got in high school, I
still feel none of it was justified.  Leaving the top button open on your
uniform does not deserve a slap on your face in full public view.  Some
kids were beaten because they could not pay the tuition on time.  Tell me
it will make them better human beings.

James Choi
From: zoon@cs.umd.edu (Sungzoon Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Discipline II
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:00:48 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1itobqINNl8s@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>...
>And did you relize that your old generations (could be me) scolded
>your generation, "Ssag-A-Ji EopDa" ?
>
  Good point.  This reminds me of the story that Confucius allegedly
lamented young people's lack of respect toward older people in his days.
If he spoke Korean, he might have used this term "Sa-ga-ji op-da." 
The point I try to make is that this "lack of respect toward older people"
criticism has been around with people in East Asia for ages and sounds
like a BS to me.   

  Sungzoon
From: hpark@husc8.harvard.edu (hayn park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: My apologies
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:22:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.hpark.726844957

My apologies for the sweeping generalizations in my previous posts.  Now
that I read them over, I sounded pretty bitter and was a bit nasty, and
realize that, true, all generalizations tend to be false, and only
half-true at best.

Again, my most sincere apologies to all those offended.

Hayn Park
hpark@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Vincent Kim)
Subject: Re: an article on Korean born adoptees
Reply-To: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:49:03 GMT

/I wonder what sort of reasonings were behind the government's sudden
/decision to ban adoptions.  Could it be perhaps because of recent
/charges made to Woody?


	Actually, it was in plan for many years. Korea is known as Baby Importing
	contury to many people. I guess, Korea wants to show that they can handle 
	internal situation by themselves. 

/Actually, I mentioned your name when I went there this weekend, but
/the owner became furious over me claiming you have lots of WeSang
/(unpaid meals) from last year.  You don't know how much I had to
/struggle in order to convince her that you weren't my friend.  Of
/course, it was a tormenting confession, and spoiled my appetite, no
/less.  Well, at least the doggy bag saved my DdeokGook.

	Good try...
	But, you have to be more creative than that...



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: to use 'mae' or not to use 'mae'
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:32:26 GMT

I would like to see people avoiding using personal names on the subject
line unless the person himself/herself is the subject.  If it is directed
for that person, then should e-mail directly.  Otherwise, it is not very
clear what the subject is.

In article <hpark.726803998@husc.harvard.edu> hpark@husc8.harvard.edu (hayn park) writes:
>I am afraid that I do not share Mr. Choi's views.  First of all beating is
>hardly the word for it.  Although it can be argued that it is physical
>harm whatever we decide to call, "beating" does not carry the connotations
>that the Korean "Mae" does.
[a good explanation, reason, and application methods for mae deleted.
should go back and read it if you missed it.]

Very good explanation indeed.  But two words come to my mind.  "End does
not justify the means" and "The road to hell is paved with good
intentions."  I should bow out on this topic because I never raised any
kids.  I was thinking mainly high school age kids who go deliquent
regardless of the presence of 'mae.'

I have no public opinion on how to raise kids.  I have a theory but that's
what that is.  I am not qualified to say anything until I raise one or two.

>P.S. Mr James Choi, I hope you are not serious about drug therapy!

It depends on the contiditon of the individual.  It hasn't been long since
I read in TIME magazine about new drugs that are liberating mentally ill
people.  I also remember reading about old method of treating mentally ill.
Beating and bleeding until the devil goes out of him/her....

I think all of us are making a mistake of assuming everyone else is just
like us.  Also known as generalization.  Just remember, all generalizations
are false. :)

>Hayn Park

James Choi
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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: self-insufficiency
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:44:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.183119.19825@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> One of my American friends told me that I'm a self-insufficient and 
> pitiful man because I don't know how to cook.

If you start calling people self-insufficient for something like that, who in
this world do you think will be self-sufficient? I happened to be a decent
cook (only because I worked as a chef for a while) but definitely one does
not have to know how to cook to be self-sufficient.

> But do I really have to be self-sufficient? I'm living in
> capitalism, so only if I can produce something which I can trade with
> other things, I don't have to be self-sufficient, right?

Here, here!  BTW, what did you mean by "my American friends"?  Is there any
reason you don't consider yourself an American?  (that is whaat it sounds like
, doesn't it?)

hank
-- 
Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca   University of Western Ontario, London, Canada   
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: self-insufficiency
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:31:19 GMT

One of my American friends told me that I'm a self-insufficient and 
pitiful man because I don't know how to cook.
But do I really have to be self-sufficient? I'm living in
capitalism, so only if I can produce something which I can trade with
other things, I don't have to be self-sufficient, right?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Food for thought...
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:07:43 GMT

I just noticed something this week and I thought it was rather neat.

I work in an office part time which deals with lots of students.  
They come to my office to pay their tuition and stuff.  
Naturally, we keep a few pens on the countertop so that they can use it to 
write cheques.  I lose, on average, 5 to 10
pens a day and asked this lady who had been working at this office for a long
time what her secret was that kept her loss to almost zero pens a day.

She told me all she had to to was tie a short string on her pen so that it
gives the impression that her pen is tied to something and thus cannot be 
removed.  As soon as she tole me that, I tried it and wow, no one took my
pens any more!  

Once somebody tole me how the huge elephants at the circus show can be tied
to such a weak rope and never even bother to try and break loose.  They were
tied to a pole, in their youth, by a strong rope and they tried to break
loose by shaking at it for a long time until they realized that their attempts
were futile.  After their realization, the rope didn't even have to be all
that strong, as long as the elephants knew the existence of the rope around 
their neck, they would not even bother with the attepmts of breaking free.

What similarities between the two cases!  I was amazed...
-- 
Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca   University of Western Ontario, London, Canada   
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Re: RE %%%%%%% THE LONESOME LOSER DJ
Message-I.d.: <1993Jan2.021421.38609@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:06:24 GMT

>           (JY).   So DJ decided to be coorperative with JY.  DJ was right.
>           But, what DJ only made mistake about was that DJ misunderstood the
>           conservative mature now enough to tell what is true and what faked.
>
>           YS started to find fault with DJ by JY's coorperation,  saying "
>           DJ is a dangerous communism follower,  and Minju Dang is dangerous"
>
>           What a dirty paly !   This is bad products made by Gunbari to attact
>           DJ.   YS who had condemned the Yongong JoJak against Gunbari,
>           himself made bad
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       [ nice opinion deleted ]


Just a question and my opinion.

first of all, you looks to hate a soldier (Gunbari?). I know that 90%of
a korean soldiers are honest and want to stick to their mission.

Of course a few can distort the image of the total group. and a few of koreans
can plant wrong image to foreign country. So it is more polite to
use a gentle vacaburary as long as the posting is for analysis purpose.

second, I frequently login KIDS and read the posting over there.
Oneday one netter accused MINJA of saying that DJ was danjerouse, for he
coorperated with a radical group and close to North Korean revealing that
PyungYang broadcasting announced that NK supported DJ.
The netter would not believe NK's announcement of supporting DJ. He analyzed 
that if NK announce in such a way, then it would not help DJ. Thus a clever
NK gorvenment would not say in such an attitude. 

While I was reading the post, I just held the final decision until I have more
information further.

Yesterday I read Chosun ilbo in the library, and saw that NK accused YS and
release a sympathy to DJ.

After reading the paper, I could decide the previouse claim.

FACT1) Really, NK broadcasted their support on DJ.
FACT2) lots of old generaltion who have ever experience are afraid of
       and dislike NK and do not trust NK.
FACT3)  The old generation sill alive think that DJ is close to NK and
they can have a image of DJ as a dangerous person up the image the 
previouse korean government has spread out, whether it is true or not.

FACT4) many DJ supporter tent to try to neglect the FACT1, FACT2, FACT3
and only blame the government rather than accept the reality and develope
new stratage against the attack.

FACT5) the attitude of FACT4 does not work and still claime of FACT1,2,3
prevail among the korean society.

If I were a MINJOO's campaign assistant, I would recommand DJ to
announce that NK must shut up and did not comment the internal affair and
clarify his behavior. Also DJ could blame NK about the spy scandal in
his party. But as long as I know, DJ did not show a clear cut againt
NK so that the middle class could threw the ballot to DJ.

This is one of worthless opinion on this topic.

Thank you


       Hi, 

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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: Han-jung Kim's mention about D.J
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:01:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.005354.21040@news.duc.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:

>   [his opinion deleted]
>

so to you the only lesson of this election is about poll.

i wish you learn other lessons (as many netters posted) from this election.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Korean Food!
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:46:05 GMT

Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>If it is possible could someone tell me the origin of why Koreans
>invented/perferred this specially fantasy fire hot taste. 

I should blame Japanese to make Korean foods very hot spicy. :)
Before mid-Chosun period, Korean foods were rather dull.
You can trace those among Palace-foods (Kungjung Yori). 
Kimchi looked like a Western pickle before mid-Chosun.
In the mid-Chosun, a Japanese (I forgot his name) brought hot red paper 
into Korea. After that, everything changed.
The answer you might want to hear is why Korean put red hot paper into
Kimchi. I'm not quite sure, but I think I read that they began to use it
as a sort of decoration (or preservative?) and developed taste soon.

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