From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
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In article <1992Sep10.140923.18813@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.
g (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>USA offers Malaysia 30 F16 at discount prices.
>Singapore wants some more F16, I heard vaguely on SBC(Singapore).
>
>IMO Malaysia should go for Mig 29. It is dual engined, and carbon fibred
>body. It is in the class of F15, whereas F16 is only with the Mig23.
>
>Based on Malaysian experiece with singled engined F5, there are a lot of
>accidents. Malaysia should opt for dual engined aeroplanes. It will save
>us lots of money. Each plane costs US $38million(?). We can still bargai
!
>	Malaysia should buy at least 2 squadrons, i.e. 24 aircraft. 
>
>I'm not sure of the characteristics of these Mig29. They could be the la
est.
>I read somewhere in old aircraft books that they are equipped with look-
own
>radar which is better than F16(?).
>	Surely by now there is no secret any more. We can know exactly what
>armament is carried by these Mig 29 versus F16. Can it carry exocet miss
les,
>or other anti-ship missiles etc? F16 surely cannot, it is too small. It 
an
>only carry bombs.
>	The advantage of F16 is in the Sidewinder missiles. But those missiles
>are found in F5, hawks, and the other one( that keeps on falling down).
>Surely we can put them on the Mig 29, after all sidewinder is smart, we 
o not
>have to aim so accurately. Just fire!
>
>These Mig 29 are beautiful. They would look good in our airshows. Even t
e
>german pilots admit that it is more manoevrable than the Nato Tornadoes.
>Hopefully they are also as robust as those Russian planes, especially un
er
>or "rough" technicians.
>	If Malaysia were to buy those VTOL harriers, at least 2, then we 
>will have even better air displays. Hopefully they will last until 2020.
>
>How about Singaore? Why wont you buy the F15s?
>
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>


 F15 and Mig 29 are in different class than F16, Both F15 and Mig 29
 are air superiority fighter, and F16 fighter bomber more or less general
 purpose.
     Israel use 6 F16 as bomber and 6 F15 as their escort during the
 bombing of Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor . 
     During Desert Shield and Desert Storm there are report of crack in
 the F16 wing ,in a hard usage. ( Lots of hard G's manuver in a sustain
 condition).  F16 are design to be so manuverable and with all the engine
 upgrade, F16 can exert G's more than either its frame or pilots can bear.
     F15 however are the one that shot down Iraqi airplane that are brave
 to take off. Even Saudi Arabia desert storm ace who shot down 2  Iraqi
migs use F15.
  
     Mig29 however are not tested in the battle field yet, But boy o boy
 that plane really can manuver, it can do back slide , Cobra.
 Back slide = go straight up lower the power the plane slide down backward
 cobra  = point the plane nose up but the plane still move horizontally.

     In need of cold cash maybe Republic of independent state (Former
 Soviet union ) might offer Mig29 at bargain 

      Speaking about Sidewinder .It is not a real fire and forget missile
 you still need avionic electronics in the plane to lock the target first
 if i'm not mistaken.

      But all of the above plane will be of no use if the country don't
 have tracking and radar , at least a Hawkeye or AWACS. Iraqi in
 Desert Storm have their radar shot to pieces thus have severe handicap
 for their pilots. Allied force however have full advantage of Radar
 AWACS . So sheer number of plane is useless.  :)
 Muskie
 Sofjan Mustopoh 
 UK07802@ukpr.uky.edu
UK07802@mik.uky.edu

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