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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: House Closing
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.210229.24927@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>In article <17gocqINNams@agate.berkeley.edu> mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
>>
>>Sadly, here in California, and especially in SoCal, bowling just isn't
>>the "in" thing to do, no matter what the "Hollywood Reporter" writes.
>>Bowling has never buried the media image of the smoky, pool-hall
>>atmosphere.  People here have many choices as to what type of sports/
>>pasttimes/exercise they wish to take up, and bowling being limited to
>>indoor confines does not appeal to many sun-loving Californians, like,
>>ya know??? %^)
>
>I disagree totally. More Californians participate in league bowling
>than ANY OTHER SPORT in California. I don't know if this is true
>for the rest of the nation or not. 

In sheer numbers, I wouldn't doubt that you are correct.  The number
of league bowlers probably does exceed that of any other sport here.
But compare the number today to that of say, 20 years ago.  20 years
ago, rarely did you see a center that had lanes available for open
play during the evening shift (6PM-12AM), because leagues filled
them.  Today, many centers have plenty of lanes open, both at 6PM and
9PM times.  When I worked for a center (back in the old days!..), we
never had to solicit bowlers to fill leagues -- they just signed up
themselves, they WANTED to bowl.  Last year, I helped out a bowling
center manager/friend attempt to fill some open time slots by cold- 
calling people on old league address lists and by talking to current
league members in an effort to get them to sign up for the next league
season.  Pretty disappointing results, and even more disappointing
replies -- "No, I wanna take a vacation this year", "I'm tired of
bowling, I want to take up golf", "I don't want to be committed to 30+
weeks", "There's too many gang-bangers at your center" (remember, this
IS LA), "No, there's OTHER things we want to do"...

>
>Gee, we just got Chaparral lanes built 2 years ago, a brand new
>60 lane house...Los Angeles County, thankyou.
>
>anne

Gee, aren't you lucky???  While I was growing up, I got to see these
centers close down: Hawthorne Bowl, Tropicana Lanes, Cove Bowl,
Century Bowl, WonderBowl-Downey (and WonderBowl-Anaheim), Imperial
Bowl, Red Fox Lanes, Major Bowl, Plaza Lanes, Grand Central Lanes,
Lucky Lanes, Eagle Rock Lanes, Encino Bowl, among others; and Little
Tokyo Bowl, a ~5-year-old center and the only one I can recall that was
built during this time where I grew up, closes down at summer's end...
...ALL in Los Angeles County, thank you.  (Orange County and San Fernando 
Valley closings not included.)
From: Gudmundsen@a1.relay.upenn.edu (Tom Gudmundsen)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Bowling Honor Roll
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:06:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Resource Center

In article <1992Sep3.120109.23736@pixel.kodak.com>, bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson) writes:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I have a proposal... (rest deleted)

 Ben I think this would be a very good idea. I don't know how you want the 
scores though. I think both a post and an E-mail would be good, this way you 
could easily sift through what are the highs and everyone could read everyones 
highs for the week.

Tom G.
When their not falling, have a brew and think they are.

My opinions are my own not the Universities, any way who would want them.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Reconditioning urethane balls
Summary: correction
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:14:01 GMT

I wrote:

>    I like to turn the ball 45 degrees after each sanding level.  
                             ^^
Sorry, that should have been 90 degrees...

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: House Closings and Oiling Patterns
Keywords: Lane conditions 
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:12:33 GMT

In article <5226@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pktst+@pitt.e>
|>On a different subject, has anyone else purchased the purple Rhino Pro?
|>If so, how is it reacting on the lane conditions?  My ball tends
|>to do horrible on dry lane (which is why I switched to a pearlized Rhino),
|>really good on medium conditions and lanes with dry backends, but
|>doesn't do that well on heavy oil with lots of carry-down (use a
|>Columbia U2).
|>
|>just some thoughts...
|>
|>mike thompson
|> 
	I own a purple rhino and have noticed the same problems. When
I originally bought the ball we (my wife and I) bowled an early shift
league (18:00 in Dallas) where they would mop the lanes and then re-oil
heavy the first 30 feet. For the first game or so everything would work
fine with a late snap at the end and a hard crash at the pocket (my prefered
shot). However by the end of the second game (give or take a few frames) the 
ball would start hooking on the front end and die on the back end. I always
thought it was me, now I feel better.

		jeffh@bnr.ca <nuke>
From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Leaving 10 pins
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:20:06 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug31.192244.29840@worldbank.org> aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>Walter,
>It sounds like you may be gripping your ball too hard.  Then

Guess what... just had a bowling lesson, and the instructor saw me shifting
my hand toward the fingers after I inserted the thumb. (Full fingertip grip)
and he said just insert the fingers to the first joint.  This shift
left a whole lot of slack between the hand and the ball.  By chance, he had 
me try his leverage-weighted pink hammer, and although  the middle finger 
was about 1/16" too long of a span, I started crushing the pocket, with much 
better 7o'clock 1o'clock roll.  Turns out that the shorter span (blue pearl) 
was also causing me more spin-hook rather than roll-hook.  I was even able 
to make 7 of the next 9 ten pins he had set up for me. ;-)

Gonna have both of my pearls re-drilled to proper span, and one leveraged 
just for fun. (You should see the countering hole in that pink hammer - 
sheesh)

As far as gripping the ball too hard, sounds like you hit it straight on the 
head. (not the pin though :-))

thanks for the tip

>-Aki


TTFN

Walter
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Shit! I've REALLY done it now!
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:47:05 GMT
Organization: World Bank
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:53:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.203206.11898@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>Also...don't do the surgery unless your committed to not doing anything 
>for 8 weeks...or you will end up like moi...  (but at least I am having

well you basically said the same thing that the cute doc said.
But she didn't even want me to bowl for atleast 6-8 weeks.
I can't do that (too many commitments).  They put me in
a sling for a week.  The doc said that my injuries weren't
serious enough to warrant surgery (atleast not yet).  They
just put me in a sling, gave me  voltaren for the swelling
and told me not to use the arm.  The voltaren helped alot
(so did the sling).  I guess because the arm felt pretty
good, I thought it was ready for bowling again...NOT...
Oh well, live and learn...word to the wise..NEVER tear your
rotator cuff, believe me it hurts like hell and there's
nothing you can do to relieve the pain (well...maybe a
300 followed by a 850 set...but NOTHING ELSE!)...

-Aki
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: RCI SCHOOL (YABA COACHING SCHOOL) A COMPLAINT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:01:59 GMT

   I *LOVE* working/teaching/coaching teens in bowling.  My current cert-
ification level left out the advanced (+180's) bowlers, unless they were
having a back to basics class, so I paid the $40 & went 100 miles to a
RCI school -Beyond The Basics.  I did learn a lot...BUT (my complaint:)
We went & the class ended up being 5 hours (at the time I walked out) of
VIDEO TAPES!!!  There were no opportunities to ask questions, rewind, AND
We were "marking" a book, so that we'd have the important points to refer
to, & the video & the book had no sequential correlation!  By the time I
found the section in the book, the video speaker had gone onto another
subject.  The class was s'posed to end at 3pm.  I had a 5pm appt in my
home town, & expressed concern when the "instructor" (Video operator)
sent us on a cigarette break/bathroom break at 2:40pm, & I knew the test
was scheduled to take 20 min.  He assured us that "we'd get out", & then
when we came back, he put on ANOTHER 45min tape!!! This was at 5min to
3pm!  And the review & test weren't anywhere in sight.  Unlike the Coach
Instuctor school (CI) there were no hands on teaching.  Just sitting in
a plastic chair from 9am to ???(3pm for me) watching tapes.  I did get a
lot out of the tapes, but in that format, the YABA could've easily just
rented it out to the interested parties, & from the comfort of our homes
(& a rewind available) we could've learned more, without the expense of
hotel rooms & wear & tear & gas with our cars!  So, I'm not RCI certified,
but I am wiser.  I want to be able to help the "kids" be the pros of the
future, but I'll wait until there is a different school available...sigh

-THESE OPINIONS ARE MINE, BUT A CONSENSUS WAS FORMED OF THE ATTENDING
 COACHES-  PAMELA FITTS
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From: gregw@.hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe)
Subject: Leaving 10 pins
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:44:53 GMT

I got caught the other night in League play with a very dry lane,
and only my black Turbo in the car.  After much screwing around,
the only good line I had was me standing at the far left of the
lane, and throwing the ball out to about the five board. The
reaction was surprisingly good, with the ball thumping into the
pocket.

Now my dilemma.

I left four solid 10 pins that game, I mean *really* solid 10's,
with the 6(?) pin flying over the neck of the 10.  How should
I adjust to carry the 10 pin?  Was it just bad luck, or should
I have tried to change the angle into the pocket?

-- Greg

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From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: What happens after a 300?
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:51:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.125923.23181@worldbank.org> aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
>I'd take 800's all day long over a singular 300, I remember the first
>300 I threw, I was so shaken up over it that I shot a 603 set!

You think that's something, my first (and only) 300 was the last game of a 
601 set! I started with a 115, then got lined up...
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: House Closings and Oiling Patterns
Keywords: Lane conditions
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Followup-To: Lane Conditions
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Howdy;
	Could somewhere out here please explain to my outdated brain-cells
what reverse-block & christmas patterns are. I know they are oil patterns
on the lanes but I'm not exactly sure what they are.
	When I worked in a bowling center (mid 70's) we would lay oil heavy
for the first 20-30 feet and then light till 45 feet. The oil was layed
pretty much even across the lane with a slight decrease toward the outside.
This may even have some name of it's own.
	Info is appreciated.

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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Collector's items
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.205523.28726@worldbank.org> aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>oh my GAWD!  Now someones going to start collecting BOWLING BALLS...

Don't snicker too hard! :)  A guy down in LA sold an unpunched AMF
Magic Circle (the one with the red full-roller stripe) for $1500!
A collector of old equipment wanted it that badly!  Some guys are 
willing to shell out some big bucks for undrilled Manhattan Rubber
balls, Brunswick Crown Jewels (circa 1960), 5 and 9 series "Bleeder"
type Yellow Dots (I bought a case of 9R's once for $150 and sold them 
for $125 each), Bonanza Roto-Grips, legal Sur-D's and 4C/4D caramel
White Dots, and others.  If drilled, you've got a used ball; if blank,
a potential gold mine! (well, maybe silver...)

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: Bowling Honor Roll
Originator: bkg@earth
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 12:01:09 GMT

Hello, 

I have a proposal.... Since this is the beginning of the Bowling Season
(for most anyway) I propose a weekly alt.sport.bowling honor roll where
all of us can "brag" about our accomplishments this year. A simple list
that will accumulate with this years accomplishments. For example:

ALT.SPORT.BOWLING Honor Roll

Week of mm/dd/yy:

245 195 187  627  bkg@ssd.kodak.com  (6 bagger in the first game... )
201 155 136  492  fred@myhome.com  (First 200 + game..)

Week of...

You get the idea. Anyhow the criteria would be things such as Award Scores,
600+ series, bowling firsts, 7-10 splits, 225+games, and so on.
Also tournaments won or placed. Please e-mail me your suggestions. If enough
people are interested, I will coordinate the list.

Thanks,

Ben
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject: Re: just curious
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:39:49 GMT

In article <5355@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson)
writes:
>
>Well, from what I see here in Western PA is alot of Hammers,
>especially blue. The Rhino Pro isn't hot here yet (I've only seen
>one other person other than me with one). Another ball used here
>alot is the Columbia U-dot.  As to the Columbia U2, once again, I've
>only seen one person other than me that throws one. Other balls
>such as the "old" Rhino, Phantom, Sumo are seen on occasion too.
>
>on a different subject, how is the Sumo anyway?
>
>mike
>
I had the Sumo, it was a pretty good ball.  It hit like a
tank hence it's nickname "Atomic Ball".  I had it drilled
out leveral axis weight, but unfortunately the thumb was
not pitched right and I had to get rid of it.  I would
recommend it to anyone who wants/needs more power on
the back end...
-aki
From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: $ $ $  a factor, so I got a mid-range ball
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have posted here a few times and I am an avid bowler/knowledgeable of the
game.....

I have a 170 average with a plastic K-Mart Galaxie ball, and I wanted to 
upgrade my game to the 180's.  I play a left-handed, moderate curve.  No
hook, but a medium curve over the second arrow.  I wanted a eurathane ball,
and adapted from the conventional to semi-fingertip easily.  Like my subject
header says, I didn't have money for a 100-dollar ball, so i got a blue AMF
Angle for 60 dollars.  I've used it a lot--and it hasn't gotten that 'gloss'
others have, if you know what I'm saying.

It fits my line well, but there were striking differences (sorta intended)
between the crappy plastic ball and the nice eurathane...

The K-Mart Ball reacted well in the pin-deck--when it was high, it was a
split, heavy, a corner pin, in the pocket, a strike, a shade light, a 5-pin.
Pretty normal.  But my AMF ball seems to carry the light hit, like I'd 
thought, and does carry when it's 'there', but I leave many more splits
when I'm slightly high.  Also, I carry a LOT less when I cross over.

People have been talking about hook-vs.curve/straight, and types of bowling
balls.

My questions are:

1.  Does anyone have any pros/cons to my ball?  I like it a lot, even though
    I know it's not a U-Dot or a Rhino.  It's not a popular choice, and I was
    wondering why. (I can accept it--I know myself it's not the best ball
    out there)

2.  My average has evened out at 175 and stuck pretty good there.  I can't seem 
    to progress further---anyone out there with tips on how I can further
    advance my level?  Equipment? Attitude?    

I've been bowling since I was 10, and I've come a long way, and know a LOT
about the game, ...but.  I can't get to that other level where I can just 
sorta 'dominate' a league or be a contender for high average.  Most of the
leagues have bowlers around 180 here, and although I could do well in a 
scrub league, I wanna do better and keep up with the electrical workers
and big guns!

.........................................................................

--Mergle                                William L. Priester Jr.
                                        V051R9BF@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

If you ever see me in a league on synthetic lanes,
take this shotgun and empty it into my head ! ! !

...........................................................................
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: just curious...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C11B98CF012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:29:28 GMT
Organization: World Bank
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:35:41 GMT

In article <87064@netnews.upenn.edu> Tom Gudmundsen,
Gudmundsen@a1.relay.upenn.edu writes:
>
>Thanks for the words of encouragement but I don't think I am going to
get a 
>card any time soon.
Tom,
Well good luck in your bowling.  I can see that bowling out on the tour
may not
be your best bet with your back and all.  As for the kid you coached, let
him know
that low 200's just normally won't cut it out on tour.  It's not unusual
to have to
beat an average of 235 or better to make any  _real_ money out there.
As for the house closings, I'm afraid that's a trend everywhere.  We had a
house close up here a couple of years ago (I ran the Pro-shop there),
fortunately
the demand was high enough that another brand new house just opened up a
couple of miles down the road.
As for the caliber of bowling on T.V. what alot of people don't know is
that the
pressure on T.V. is tremendous.  The camera crews get in the way, the
lanes
dry up so fast you have to adjust almost every frame and the lights are
blinding.
Hardly the environment for anyone to bowl well.  The president of ABC
gave a
lecture at a recent PBA meeting and said that in 1989, there were 40
MILLION
sanctioned bowlers (not counting the 3500 some odd pro bowlers)...in 1991
that
number dropped to around 36 million, a drop of over 4 million bowlers! 
One of
the reasons stated was that alot of houses closed up and many people just
stopped
bowling.  An alarming trend to say the least.  Maybe once the economy
straightens
up, bowling will pick up again.

-aki
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Monday Mixed League Openings in DC/Northern VA
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X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:34:05 GMT
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:40:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.013432.8791@europa.asd.contel.com> Bob Ashley,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
> 
>Hope to see you out there.
Bob,
Thanks for the info, I've already signed up for the Tuesday Mens
Commercial in
Dranesville and also a Thursday night league in Chantilly.  So my
calandar is
pretty full.  I would be interested though in maybe being a sub now and
then if
you would like me to.  If you have a regular sub list that your bowlers
can 
contact/use let me know..
-aki
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: $ $ $  a factor, so I got a mid-range ball
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.131302.23351@worldbank.org> aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
>In article <BtxAJn.3Kr@acsu.buffalo.edu> When will Mergle EVER shut up?,
>v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>>
>>2.  My average has evened out at 175 and stuck pretty good there.  I
>can't seem 
>>    to progress further---anyone out there with tips on how I can further
>>    advance my level?  Equipment? Attitude?    
>>
>lessons...lessons...lessons...

Amen! Most people averaging 175, regardless of how much they know, have
some definite fundamental problems with their delivery, affecting one or
more of: release, accuracy, repeatability of shots, etc.

I've attended the week-long PBC camp twice. The first time (8 years after
I started bowling), I went from 174
the previous season to 188 the next season. The second time, a few years 
later, I improved from 191 to 202. Most of that was simply due to working on
my physical game. I've stayed over 200 ever since.
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