HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Technology in the Background (was Re: Diamond-hard SF)
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:22:56 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov18.205145.14273@julian.uwo.ca>, 
jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: 
> In article <of2RgxW00WB=FlcGtC@andrew.cmu.edu> Patrick C Leger 
><pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: 
> 
>>On the other hand, if you are like me and find SF more interesting if it
>>centers on the characters and their stories, and delegates the
>>technology to the background (the way we treat it in day to day life),
>> [...]
> 
> 	Has anyone else attempted to watch a contemporary film from 
> the POV of a hypothetical viewer from the past? It is difficult to
> notice technological changes between, say, the 1950s to 1990s, even
> though they are many, either because they are concealed serving  in
> the role  of   older  tools, or because the manner in which they
> are displayed makes it hard to figure out what the device in question
> does.
> 
> 	Personal computers stand  out. Very little else does.

   Neat observation!  Yeah... unless technology is somehow the focus of 
the movie (as in *Wargames* or *The Hunt for Red October*), the 
differences that would come across are *cultural*.  This isn't to say that 
technological change is less important that cultural change in terms of 
any fiction set in a different time period, either future or past-- it's 
just that it's a more subtle factor, woven into the patterns of life (hey,
there I go again with the patterns of life :-)...


   --Jesse.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"In this exercise, Marx's *Das Kapital* or Adam Smith's *The Wealth of 
Nations* may be less useful than Ridley Scott's celluloid fantasy *Blade 
Runner*, a Hollywood confection tht contains more truth about the coming 
age than do these classics."

	--Jacques Attali, *Millenium*.
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 


DIM> [Entertaining sig deleted]
MA> True.... :)
   > Ignoring your sarcasm, any suggestions on how to change this stereotype,
   >   without giving rise to other, possibly more damaging stereotypes?
   >   I will agree, this bias is just as annoying and damaging as the
   >   assumption that homosexuals have to act differently compared to
   >   heterosexuals.
MA> The "assumption" that homosexuals act different from heterosexuals is
  > another sweeping generalization typically a cause for the rise of the

Oops.  *I* just read the original again.  So my focus is wrong.  Sorry
if my reply wasn't on-topic for you.  No retractions, however.

-Mykel

 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: I missed my Mom . . . then I reloaded . . .
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Sex, VR and BullSh*t
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:07:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

I don't know why everyone is freaking out over VR and it's (possible) links
to sex.  (It seems everything gets linked to sex these days)  Is hooking into
a VR system and having sex with some "unreal" person any different from
someone today laying back on a bed/chair and masturbating to a porno?
Or someone just thinking about having sex with someone...oh no!  Thought
police will get you for fantasizing about someone!!!  Besides, would you
really want to have sex with a polygonal female...I prefer to be with the
real thing! Not a fantasy, video or Virtual-female.
-- 

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Kirk Membry                              Marriage is for Life, Death is Forever
kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu                                    kpm8447@teak.njit.edu
kmembry@andromeda.rutgers.edu                            kpm8447@maple.njit.edu
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From: v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov19.140004.1@tesla.njit.edu>, kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes...
>> Far out. What department are you in that supports thesis choices like the
>> above? Or is this for an undergrad senior thesis project?
> 
>It's for my B.A. in Art.  Our senior thesis program allows all sorts of
>creativity.
> 
>> What to bring: Your wits. What else is required? You can't bring physical
>> objects if you are just a representation of data. Or are you assuming that you
>> will have sensory perception as in the reality? In that case, are the "physical
>> objects" you bring just there as interface tools, i.e. like icons which you
>> would use to execute commands? 
>> A camera would be nice - gottat have something for that scapbook!
>> C-ya
>> FcR
> 
>I'm trying to explore this idea in the sense of ACTUALLY being inside the
>machine.  You could bring a pack (packet-data?) of stuff.  Like "Neuromancer"
>your bible, food, or whatever.
>I figured that a virus construction kit could be a good start..sort of like
>protection incase something happens while you are on your journey.  A map
>of cyberspace would also be important. (I'm going to create a map for my
>thesis)  It's sorta like "I want to go across the country, what should I bring"
>but is "I want to go across the country in cyberspace, what should I bring"
> 

i would throw out the idea that you should first plan to go
on a cross-country hiking (hitching or otherwise) trip with
all types of stuff and then figure out a cyberspace equivalent...

what would a swiss army knife in cyberspace be made up of?
what kinda boots do you want?
you want to bring a tent? a sle

---------------------------------------aardvark (rising)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: furiop@jec306.its.rpi.edu (Paul Joseph Furio)
Subject: Re: Realtime unreality
Reply-To: furiop@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:07:29 GMT

When and where, that is what IRC channel?  I remember the good old days of 300 baud, but I wouldn't go back, except as a fashion statement...
-me
-Paul J. Furio
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:16:28 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <If2FGVK00WCZMiA11_@andrew.cmu.edu> pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes:
>>  the reason i posted this here in alt.cyberpunk was because i
>> think this type of super-violent videogame is exactly the
>> type to dominate our future (that and VR games).
>
>Just outta curiosity, WHY do you think these ultra-violent games will
>(should?) dominate our future?  (Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Mortal
>Combat, and have wasted waaayyy to much money on it...)
>
>Chris

   
It's the trend.  Look at television and movies.  They are steadily
heading towards more and more violence (sex, too, I predict pornographic
video games within 5 years), and that violence is spilling over
into the other realms of mass media.  Video games have always
been cartoonish, it's only recently though that they have gotten
a coating of reality (the blood 'n guts) over that cartoonishness
(the repeated violence and surrealism).
  	Jason
	The Mad Mad Mad Mad Solipsistic Mad World
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5968 alt.industrial:805 alt.sex:36888 alt.sex.bondage:22464
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 23:46:39 CST
From: <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Ye Golden Rule
 <3TL2TB4w165w@entropy.mcds.com> <1992Nov12.154435.8398@crash>
 <1992Nov13.064717.9657@u.washington.edu>

>[nonsense about Reblais being wiccan "mother of *"
These people need to get a life.  Wiccanism is even more silly
than Isalm.  Mother-of-this Goddess-of-that and plagirists
too!  That was from Gargantua and Pantagruel by F Reblais.
.
From: schuyler@acf9.nyu.edu (Gabriel M. Schuyler)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:22:29 GMT
Organization: New York University

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>O.k.  I've changed my thesis idea a bit and need some input.  Here goes
>with my question:
>If you were to travel into cyberspace (sorta like what was done in TRON)
>what things would you bring?  A laptop computer doesn't mean squat since
>you are already inside the computer.  I know we are all in cyberspace already

Okay, well, one thing you're going to want is (hey, it would probably be built
in to a cyberspace system, but what the hell) a "pointer" to your exit from
cyberspace.  So you can "beam out" of cyberspace real quick-style.

Second, you might want to take a simple virus to destroy any nasties out there
if you run in to trouble.  Might be nice to take types of viruses, one to
destroy programs, and one that just tags along and relays the program's vital
statistics (place, direction of travel, size, activity level) to you or a 
log file.

I'd also take along some sort of quick reference guide in soft-copy, like a
road map or something.

That's my shot.  Could you tell I just finished reading Neuromancer?

-Gabe
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: cyberspace society
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:16:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.122003.20531@yang.earlham.edu>
jessec@yang.earlham.edu writes:
 
>
>In article <168A1A998.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>,
>SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
>
>> I've gotta agree with Bob on this, especially his point about
>> the negation of value systems applicable in face to face/ voice
>> to voice interaction when interacting on the Net. I'm new to all
>> this, and the one thing that has really impressed me is how there
>> is almost no sense of the identity to other people on the Net beyond
>> what they put in. Virtual Egalitarianism? Any thoughts?
>
>   Among many other things, I remember being mildly sexually harassed
>online by someone who thought I was female.
>
>
>   --Jesse.
 
BLAM!!! There goes Virtual Egalatarianism. Shot in flames straight to
Hell. Sorry Jesse. I should have known some fucking sexist assholes
would get here before me. I'm surprised when they landed on the Moon
there wasn't already a flag planted there by the Federation of Fucking
Assholes.
 
*********************  Saint Pontiac ( wuz Scott Mc )  *****************
 
        " I like to mix lithium, unfiltered Camels, and
          Coco-Puffs in a big bowl for breakfast. Makes
          me feel with it in the morning"
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: joeg@gagme.chi.il.us (joe grosch)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:11:40 GMT

David Pratt (david@shakala.com) wrote:
: Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition!
Pass the Lord and praise the Ammunition!

--
Josef Grosch         | It's been a quiet week in Lake Wobegon, my home town...
joeg@gagme.chi.il.us |       New Yorker by birth, Minnesotan by choice
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer: Movie
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 12:07:33 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd) writes:

> The difficult part comes in choosing a net.cast....

What about net.cash?


--
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?   -qr
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: lensbs@vccnorthb.its.rpi.edu (Johnny Cage)
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Keywords: 
    It's only a games.  A very good one at that.  How could you think that
Reply-To: lensbs@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:16:30 GMT

it wouldn't be allowed in arcades.  SO it's a little violent....have you watched
television lately? or those lovely children's cartoons?  This world is filled
with violence and that's what the public wants to see.  If people will buy it
somebody will make it.

-- 
lensbs@rpi.edu                           |"New way what's this about a new
"I disagree with what you say, but I     | way" "Don't you laugh damn you,
will defend to the death your right      | don't you you laugh"
to say it."  -Voltaire                   |   -A Clockwork Orange
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:07:15 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mengwong@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Meng Weng Wong) writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> >kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
> >> If you were to travel into cyberspace (sorta like what was done 
> >> in TRON) what things would you bring?  A laptop computer doesn't 
> >> mean 
> >
> >"travelling inside" the machines is just a point of view made 
> >possible by a certain type of interface (virtual reality). since 
> >everything you see is just the icon for a program or data, the 
> >real question is what software you'd need/want.
> >
> >my personal choices would be:
> [list deleted]
> 
> NO!  The essential difference between cyberspace and realspace is 
> that in cyberspace, a realm of pure information, you don't need to 
> bring *anything*. Not even telnet, ftp, or other such utilities.  

then how do you get around pray tell? "the magic of cyberspace"?

> In cyberspace, everything is accessible, *if you know where to 
> look*.

and *if you have the tools to look with*. remember, this isn't our
native land. our normal senses aren't going to work without some
way to translate.

> Using an Internet / Usenet analogy: Information is found in FAQs.

how do you read the FAQs?

> FAQs point you to ftp sites,

how do you get to the FTP sites?

> where you access software. Software lets you do what you want.

get that? SOFTWARE LETS YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT. but i can't get the 
software i want to my home computer/deck without having a terminal 
program that will let me connect with different sites/locations on 
the net. at bare minimum you'll have to start your travels with that.
i'd also like to start with a few of my favorite data manipulation &
scanning tools as well.

> All you need in cyberspace is the experience to know where to find
> information, and the intuition of knowing how to make it useful.
> That's why, in _Neuromancer_ for example, the best deck jockeys 
> aren't trained.  They're born.

*yawn* beg to differ. knowledge is power. those without 
traning/experience have to rely on dumb luck to find things out. the 
real hackers work with stuff every day & -know-. they just don't brag 
about it as much.

jason

--
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`
From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Keywords: Is Angst measured in Angstroms?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:15:22 GMT
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK

In article <BxtCvv.36D@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.171812.1619@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins) writes...
>>If you think there are a lot of stories out there with the Lone Wolf theme, you
>>should see how many people out there think they're /cats/.
>
>or aardvarks, for that matter...
>---------------------------------------aardvark

Or maybe even pigs....
>> 
>>(I'm one for the slightly schitzoid, spiritually harrassed, pendant-phobia
>>types, myself.)
>> 
>>---
>>Kent Jenkins	| He who fights with monsters might take care,
>>("Thenomain")	| lest he thereby become a monster.
>>		| And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
>>		| the abyss gazes also into you.  -- Nietzsche


-- 
                  Ridley McIntyre - Ronin Ironpig
*On a Flowery	     gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk          Space Trip!*
		 ---------------------------------
"The thing about Conventionalism is that it f**ks up everything" - Leon Hunt
From: Martin A Laster <mlaster@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Write a short story
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:13:32 GMT


This is for all you creative story writers.  Let's see how well you can write.

If you could create a character for you to be for only one night at your
favorite night club, what would you think would happen that night at that
club.  Explain in detail the following;
 
	1) your character (i.e. employee, user)
	2) your night at the club (i.e. things you did, people you met)
  
Please keep it as realistic as possible, but also creative as possible.
This is for a study that I am doing for a night club owner who is planning
to open a new club.

Send all replies to this post to vlusane@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu

Have Fun !!!!!!!!!

Thank you


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Subject: Intro Thx1138
Summary: A new character in the Chat
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:25:30 GMT


	Thx finishes scanning the Sprawl and flips off the infrared
mode on the night vision shades covering his eyes.  He finds himself
close to a bar called the Chatsubo and figures a drink would feel
good.  Stepping through the portal, he finds a booth in the corner and
signals the bartender for a Saporo.  A scantily clad girl seductively
offers the requested beverage.

	He takes several long sips and relaxes into the atmosphere.
What a dump.  Just like every other bar, the Chatsubo is covered with
used needles and synth patches.  The bartendar looks friendly enough,
but keeps reaching under the bar with his prosthetic arm.  Thx amuzes
himself wondering what kind of weapon is kept there. Not that it
really matters...nothing ever does.

/* This my first attempt to introduce a character so nobody kill him */
/* immediately.  A regular, neh?				     */
_____________________________________________________________________________
Kent Watsen               "If this were a virus, you would be dead right now,
Kent@Virginia.edu                 fortunately it's not" -- Snow Crash
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo,alt.prose
From: JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Lupine Character Types
Summary: Lupine, Wolf, Schmolf
Keywords: Is Angst measured in Angstroms?
Organization: Ohio State Cyberpsycho Rehab Clinic
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:18:12 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

If you think there are a lot of stories out there with the Lone Wolf theme, you
should see how many people out there think they're /cats/.

(I'm one for the slightly schitzoid, spiritually harrassed, pendant-phobia
types, myself.)

---
Kent Jenkins	| He who fights with monsters might take care,
("Thenomain")	| lest he thereby become a monster.
		| And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
		| the abyss gazes also into you.  -- Nietzsche
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: tony@jim.csc.ncsu.edu (Jaeger)
Subject: View from a Bar, 1/1
Summary: First of Two
Organization: Jim.csc.ncsu.edu  - Daniels DECstation 3100
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:31:20 GMT


	I get up. My arm hurts. Musta forgot to clean off the silver stuff 
after the party. Can't remember what I did at the party. Got drunk, I think.
Yeah. Got drunk. Puked, met a babe called Patti in a hot tub in the
ninety-ninth floor of the Jackson Inn. We went and boinkered on the floor.
then I caught the subway. I think Patti was good. Fuck. I can't remember.
	Took a taxi to the Chat. All the tables were full up. Damn, I'll
have to take a booth. I hate booths. I hate cigarette smoke, guys with
jagged scars, and shady deals. I'm also claustrophobic.
	No newbies to scare today. Oh well. I initiate a bar brawl by
throwing some girl's output halfway across the room into a suit private
party. Someone pulls a gun and I dive behind the counter. Ratz pulls his
shotgun off the rack, lets loose a solid slug (size of my fist). It hits
the obligatory wagon-wheel chandelier. Man, some people are going to have
headaches when they wake up.
	I get hit in the crossfire between the Second Hitler Corps and the
United Christian Front. Dammit, I'm going to need a stapler for _that_
one. Just for kicks, I grab a cleaner-than-thou UCF asshole and wipe my
arm off on his suit. Poor guy's going to need Korporal Kleen.
	Ah, well. Pretty ho-hum. Still these new guys seem to think being
a `cyberpunk' is going to be high-rolling adventure. The biggest
high-rolling adventure I ever had was when I got pair-a-sixes in a game of
Unca Scrooge.
	Speakning of newbies, just as I'm phoning for the Tearup Team to
cart away the spare parts, couple of girls step daintily over the carnage
and walk up to the bar. Looks like the gang-rape crowd is going to have a
field day. One of 'em's even wearing cutoffs.
	"Hi ladies," Ratz says, throwing his shotgun into a back room.
Ooh. Bad move, Ratz. "What can I get for you."
	"I'll pay," Sleazo the Pimp says, putting the slicks on the girls.
He wakls up and hangs an arm around their necks. "Heya pretties."
	I get tired of Sleazo doing this. "Sleazo," I say, "go fuck a
randy piglet." That's the vogue expression these days."
	"Why?" Sleazo insists. God, the man's a born loser.
	I point at the girl's slammer, who's being carted away in six pieces.
"That's why."
	Sleazo doesn't give in. Guy thinks he's shielded by the feminine
felines. I grab his tux collar and wrench him back. He stops fondling the
babes after I get a firm grip and break Ratz's plate glass windows.
	There's a crash. "Oh, sorry, Ratz man," I say, almost like I mean it.
	"No big deal," the barkeep says sorrowfully, wiping his hands on a
beer-soaked dishtowel, "they needed cleaning anyhow."