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From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: big snake bites?
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:19:26 GMT

>Good point... in the one & only Burmese feeding bite I've survived, I

Okay, I'll bite.  How many Burmese feeding bites have you *not* survived?

(duck)
From: lamont@cup.hp.com (LaMont Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Toilet Python
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:20:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.BvIDpF.B1v
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Dave Hunter (dave@aficom.ocunix.on.ca) wrote:
: <just got to love American news gathering...accuracy is obviously not a 
: high priority>

That's American journalism for you.  They don't report the news, they go
for the ratings.   Ratings are the only thing that matters.  1/2 :-)
(At least with the tabloids, you expect it.)

lamont
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From: jthomaso@nmsu.edu (THOMASON)
Subject: keeping Ophiophagous hannah...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:23:09 GMT

  I am a student of herpetology at New Mexico State University and
have been considering acquiring a hatchling O.hannah from a reliable
breeder and long time herpetoculturist of these animals. I would app-
reciate a posting on this board or e-mail on any anecdotes, advice, -
experiences etc any of you have had with these animals (king cobra).
  Any information on Bitis.g.gabonica culturing would also be
appreciated.
					Thanks.. OB

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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: Two-headed snake pictures in a.b.p.misc
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:52:39 GMT

mojo@reed.edu (the eyes of the Nile are opening---you'll see) writes:
|
|I've posted a GIF of a two-headed garter snake to alt.binaries.pictures.misc;
|there are two more to follow in the next couple of days.  I also have a
|lovely picture of a two-headed racer, but the scan didn't come off; I'll try
|to get a chance to scan it again.

Thanks for the pointer.  I'll go ahead and snarf the file off abpmisc
and put it in the archive today (Sunday).

|Should I post pictures of my corn snakes as well (both ~2 months old, one
|normal, one amelanistic)?  I have scans but don't want to post unless
|someone is actually interested.

I think most of us know what a corn snake looks like, but in the interest
of maintaining a photo site, I'd say go ahead and post them if they are
good scans.

----
I now have my pictures back from my Houston Zoo visit a few weeks ago.
Sometime soon I'll be scanning in the better photos and putting those
on the site (I'll post when they are ready).

Speaking of Houston, did anybody make it to the East Texas Herp Expo
and Convention at the AstroHall/AstroArena?  How was it?

-Brent
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From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Subject: Re: Truly tasteless Stephen King
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:18:52 GMT

In article <BvG9pC.JMp@nic.umass.edu>, jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl) writes:
> 
> Scrotum, scrotum, sac of skin
> Scrotum holds your testes in.
> 
> A short poem, yes, but beautiful....

The lengthier choral version, as taught to me many years ago, is

Scrotum, scrotum, just a little bag of skin
Scrotum, scrotum, just to hold your testicles in
  It's scraggly
  and baggly
  and covered with hair
But what would you do if it wasn't there?
Oh, scrotum, scrotum, just a little bag of skin

Sorry I can't relate the tune as well, but sometimes life's nothing but
a hirsute whore.

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From: jmm7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.M. Maurer)
Subject: Water
Followup-To: JMM7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu 
Summary: What is a Good Water     
Originator: jmm7076@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:31:06 GMT

 Folks,

	Here's a question that some of you, and definately myself,
probably havetaken for granted.  What type of water should I make
available to my Herp?  When I first got Socrates [Ball Python] I
gave him strictly Spring Water.  I slowly moved to tap, due to
convenience, and now all he gets is tap. He is happy healthy and doing
well, but is tap a no-no?  I live in Rochester and our water is from the
city, they don't do anything funny to it, chlorinate etc... With this 
question in mind I will probabaly move him back to Spring just in case.
But if I eventually get a big critter, i.e. Rectic or Burmeese, which
will require gallons, tap is definately the easiest answer but if Spring
is better...

Jim & Soc      

P.S. Anyone with ideas about cage building, size shape, for Soc and
eventually a buddy, drop me a line.
From: olson@mcs.anl.gov (Bob Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Feeding baby lizards
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:18:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: locke.OLSON.92Sep30181817
Organization: Math & Computer Science Divison, ANL

Howdy all. We've acquired two baby brown anoles (my wife works in a
greenhouse, and they appear to have hitched a ride in some plants
shipped here (Illinois) from Florida). We've had pretty good luck
feeding them small moths and crickets, but with the impending cold
weather it is unclear what we will feed them. The crickets we can get
at the local pet shops look like they'll be too big for these little
guys. Mealworms seem too be to big too. 

Does anyone have any suggestions? We're in the western suburbs of
Chicago if it matters.

Thanks,
--bob
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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Snow Corn
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:40:58 GMT


	Hello all,
		This is the first time that I have posted in this conference
but you can be assured that I am going to be seen much. Today at 4:30 I am
going to be purchasing my first snake. With the advise of many people it is
going to be a Corn. I saw a Snow Corn many months ago and waited one which I
have found. Well I have read much material on snakes, but obviously printed
material does not have the use as on line net assistance and advise. Anyone
care to speak about Corns.....? I am getting a baby who is eating well, here is
the specs of the setup I have bought...

		29 gal tank with good lighting and lid(I'm not yet happy with
                    the lid....need a better one)
                2 dry heating elements
		Fake plastic grass material for ground
		Various rocks and stones for hiding and such

                                               
                                                      Treky
							    N8VFZ

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From: tbh1@ra.msstate.edu (Tracy B. Henley)
Subject: Iguana digging
Summary: iguana digging
Keywords: iguana, food, digging
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:02:37 GMT

I just read several postings on iguana digging and taming.  A couple of notes.
n(oops)  First, soil is not a good substrated ofor iguanas (or most snakes or
other herps).  It carries too many kinds of bacteria, can be ingested with 
food and cause intestinal problems, etc. etc.  Sand is sjust as bad.  Something
Dremovable and cleanable, like artificial turf or paper is much safer.  Also,
igs may eat a lot of soil, wit (oops) sh  which isn't good for them either.

Note number two.  they may like lettuce, but it's a worthless food and shougld
not be given as the main meal.  Se e the long posting in the net for good,
caalcium rich foods (dark green veggies like turnip greens), keep treets low, 
and give plenty of variety.  Frozen is ok, but use fresh as often as possible
to avoid vitamin lossl.  And don't forget the ultravioloet light, or all 
calcium supplements will be for naught.  

Forgive the typos, haven't learned to edit on this thing yet...

calcium supplen
removable and cleanable, like artificual terf or paper is much ber
D
First, soik
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From: acmddn@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Dan Nadel)
Subject: igs and going to the bathroom
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:56:13 GMT

hey now!

about how often should my ig be going to the bathroom. shes about a 
little over a year old, and seems to go about once a week. in the past,
shes gone every other day or atleast every two days. this is a big 
change. is this normal? thanx!

marc
From: pk@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (Stephen Kunc)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: bagfuls of dead rodentia
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 18:15:43 -0400
Reply-To: pk@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (Stephen Kunc)
Distribution: world
Organization: AFI Communications - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Does anyone happen to know of a Canadian ordering place for dead
rodents, or perhaps one in the US with good prices that will send to 
Canada?

Steve

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From: meh0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: 1 of the 1001 places to hide for snakes.
Reply-To: meh0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:34:53 GMT

Handle the corn as much as possible.

Except of course just before or after eating.

I usally wait a day or two after mine eats before handling her.

As for killing mice, I put them in a paper bag and slam them 
agaist the wall or floor, you dont have to kill it completly, just
need to stun it so that it cant hurt the snake.  The legs usually 
twitch for a few minutes.

By the way I got a year old albino cal king.

She hasnt been eating but I think its due to the fact that I just 
moved and I am in rochester NY (a little chilly now).  

She still pisses on me when I pick her up, then she calms down, 
anything I should worry about or is that just a kingsnake thing??

JC
		
			MEH0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
			engineering student
			professional daydreamer
			aspiring mad sciencist
			and bad speller.
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Another question about mice:
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:19:47 GMT

nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins) writes:


> Here's another vote for stunning or killing mice. While pet shop mice
>may be fairly tame/stupid, most of the ones I've met still seem to get 
>fairly panicy around snakes. Back when I was young and foolish, I let
>my corn (who always struck "quick and deadly") go after a general average
>mouse... it only takes one lucky jump for the mouse, and the snake has it
>by the tail, or a hind leg, and the mouse turns and CHOMP... nasty
>wound. The snake can usually kill the mouse eventually, but it's not
>worth it to risk an expensive herp to a $2 mouse; wounds and bites
>from mice can lead to death, as the unfortunate Black Pine story
>apparently shows. 

Listen up, this guy is talking sense.

>	Basically, whether "killer mice" are the rule or the exception;
>doesn't matter. Don't take chances. Thump the little furry beasts. A
>mouse, and other rodents, especially rats, are MEAN when cornered or
>fighting for their life. And they're sure cornered in a snake cage.

Can't really blame them.  They're trying to survive too.  

>	Despite all the kind help, I never got the hang of spinal
>dislocation for mice... I usually thump the bigger ones HARD with 
>a thick stick and good aim, and the smaller ones (hoppers, which
>have small teeth but eyes open, hyperactive and nippy) are still
>usually dispatchable by throwing violently against a hard floor. 

I have found the floor method to well nigh infallible, if a little messy.
Even better is the edge of a counter allthough it takes a little`
more coordination.  I have found sticks to be messy and less reliable
in that unless your aim is perfect it will take multiple swipes
to finish the job.  This tends to cause more bleeding.

>	Also have noted that ones without eyes open are generally
>harmless... I thump them anyway, because my Corn seems to prefer them
>thus. 
>	Has anyone tried a commercial snap-type mousetrap for
>dispatching them? My Burmese is growing fast, and soon she'll be
>onto adult rats, which may be a bit harder for me to kill; would a
>spring-type rat-trap be an answer?

The floor will still work.  Mousetraps are a little too hair trigger
for me, and besides, you'll still have to hold the mouse down.


cheers,
gerard
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: big snake bites?
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:16:19 GMT

In article <BvBtKJ.4E6@egsner.cirr.com> datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony
"Monday for Seven Days" Datri) writes:
>>Good point... in the one & only Burmese feeding bite I've survived, I
>
>Okay, I'll bite.  How many Burmese feeding bites have you *not* survived?
>

Oh, nearly... nearly one.  Call it none.  Yes, I have not survived any
other feeding bites. (Huh?)

>(duck)
>

Quack.

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From: vladimir@hq.chci.chuvashia.su (Vladimir Ivanov)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Who inrested in insects (butteflies and beatles)
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:52:49 GMT
Reply-To: vladimir@hq.chci.chuvashia.su
Organization: Cheboksary Information Center, Node 2

We have insects (butterflies and beatles) of Central Asia
for sale. All the representative species are found in
mountainous places of Pamir and Tian-Shan.

  Papilionidae /Parnassiinae:
  P. simonius taldicus Gund. /West Tian-Shan, Alay
  P. staud.kiritschenkoi Av. /East Pamir, Muzkol
  P. cardinal Gr.-Gr.        /W.Pamir, Darvaz
  P. actiues Ev.             /E. Pamir, Muzkol
  P. honrathi haitus         /W.Pamir, Karategin
     (13 species)
  Pieridae / Coliadinae:     /E. Pamir, N.-Alichur
  C. wiskotti Stgr.          /E. Pamir, N.-Alichur
  C. markopolo Gr.-Gr.       /W. Tian-Shan, Alay
  C. romanovi Gr.-Gr.        /W. Pamir, Petr-1
     (8 species)
  Coleoptera /Carabidae:
  Carabus emmerichi
  C. dokhtowrowi
  C. stschurowski
  Calosoma auropunctatum dzhungaricum

  All specimens are 1A quality with collection data.
  If you are interested this question, you can to write
  me by E-mail address:  vladimir@hq.chci.chuvashia.su

  Vladimir Ivanov
From: ead@cs.ucsb.edu (Eric De Mund)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: can reptiles sneeze?
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:27:28 GMT
Reply-To: Eric De Mund <ead@cs.ucsb.edu>
Organization: UC Santa Barbara
X-Reply-To: Eric De Mund <ead@cs.ucsb.edu>

dear rec.pets.herp,

can reptiles sneeze? how about amphibians?

ead <ead@cs.ucsb.edu>
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Substrates (was Iguana digging)
Keywords: digging substrates
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:03:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct2.200331.27972
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Oct1.155354.20441@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>In article <tbh1.717804157@Isis.MsState.Edu> tbh1@ra.msstate.edu (Tracy B. Henley) writes:
>>I just read several postings on iguana digging and taming.  A couple of notes.
>>First, soil is not a good substrated ofor iguanas (or most snakes or
>>other herps).  It carries too many kinds of bacteria, can be ingested with 
>>food and cause intestinal problems, etc. etc.  Sand is just as bad.  Something
>>removable and cleanable, like artificial turf or paper is much safer.  Also,
>>igs may eat a lot of soil, wit (oops) sh  which isn't good for them either.
>
>I'm curious about something.  Why is there so much concern about using
>sand or soil as substrates for herps, especially those that natively *live*
>on such substrates?
>
>(Much deleted)

I have no quarrel with using sand for animals that live in it, like some of
the sand boas.  But sand is a poor choice of substrate for the general run 
of snakes for a number of reasons.

Reasons not to use sand:
1) Dust causes long term injury to the respiratory tract and lungs.  Human 
stone workers get the same sort of trouble -- silicosis.

2) Holds water well.  It looks dry but is actually damp.  Damp conditions
encourage bacterial growth and can cause skin infections.  In the wild an 
animal can move into the sun or a different spot and dry off.  Not so in 
captivity.

3) Easily sticks to food and causes problems when ingested, as others have 
said.

4) Droppings get covered over too easily, leading to reduced cage cleaning.

Kitty litter should not be used for the same reasons.  I once opened a
dead California kingsnake at the local pet store.  It had a 1 mm piece of
kitty litter at the forward end of the lung.  IMHO, it strangled on that 
bit of kitty litter.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: R.I.P. baby anole
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:23:38 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

Bummer!  That's about the same success I had also.  A couple of months!
From: weiner@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Gary Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Feeding baby lizards
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:49:59 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <OLSON.92Sep30181817@locke.mcs.anl.gov> olson@mcs.anl.gov (Bob Olson) writes:
>Howdy all. We've acquired two baby brown anoles (my wife works in a
>greenhouse, and they appear to have hitched a ride in some plants
>shipped here (Illinois) from Florida). We've had pretty good luck
>feeding them small moths and crickets, but with the impending cold
>weather it is unclear what we will feed them. The crickets we can get
>at the local pet shops look like they'll be too big for these little
>guys. Mealworms seem too be to big too. 
>



Try Armstrong's Cricket Farm in West Monroe, Louisiana. They have six sizes
of crickets from "pinhead" (barely visible to the naked eye) on up.
I don't have the number handy, but you can call information. 

Be aware that the least amount that they sell is 500 crickets (about $10 w/
shipping) so you'll need something to keep them in. They are very friendly
and wilkl help you decide what size of cricket to order.



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PO BOX 715      | National Synchrotron Light Source |  before dawn...
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From: walkera@cco.caltech.edu (Walker Aumann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Snow Corn
Date: 1 Oct 1992 09:10:02 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

>>		Fake plastic grass material for ground

>I'd go with newspaper.  It's cheap and easily replaceable.

>>		Various rocks and stones for hiding and such

>Use an opaque box so that the snake can hide completely.  I've been using
>boxes that DAT tapes are packaged in.  Another idea is to use a commercial
>hideout -- these are basically inverted plastic bowls with an entryway.

Actually, one advantage to newspaper that my corn pointed out to me is that
it makes a good hiding place.  He actually prefers burrowing under the
newspaper to using the hiding place.  Then again, as of late, with things
as hot as they've been, he's taken to hanging out in his water bowl, which
is apparently unusual for corns.  Oh well, maybe my "weird" pet is weirder
is weirder than people expect.

Walker
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From: tmason@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Mason)
Subject: Re: can reptiles sneeze?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:30:44 GMT

>In article <ead.718219648@orion> Eric De Mund <ead@cs.ucsb.edu> writes:
>>dear rec.pets.herp,
>>
>>can reptiles sneeze? how about amphibians?

My Fla. King (Lampropeltis getulus floridina) recently had a respiratory
infection.  He made a loud sneeze-cough noise several times one evening.

WARNING: GROSS PART FOLLOWS:

After one of these sneezes, a thick stream of mucus came out of his mouth.

WARNING: REALLY GROSS PART FOLLOWS:

The mucus was attached to the side of the cage and the snake's mouth.
It was so thick that it didn't break when the snake moved around.

To me, the noise sounded more like a sneeze than a cough.  Oh well.
The good news is that I increased the temp. in his cage, and he has 
recovered fully.

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From: cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Toilet Python
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:43:43 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <qowyRB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca> dave@aficom.ocunix.on.ca  
(Dave Hunter) writes:
> G'Day from Ottawa. :-)
[...]  
> <just got to love American news gathering...accuracy is obviously not a 
> high priority>

I see you have not watched many american news programs.  Accuracy isn't a  
priority at all - not even on the list.
From: mojo@reed.edu (Treacle, mostly.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: can reptiles sneeze?
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:59:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct6.225925.16627
Organization: every place is the same every place is the same


One of my ball pythons did something like sneezing---a sort of convulsive
forced exhalation---when he had a respiratory infection.  I don't know if it
meets the technical definition of sneezing or not.

All my amphibians are aquatic, so I doubt they sneeze much.

	NT
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From: stevet@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Steve Turner)
Subject: Best Vet Slogan
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:04:42 GMT

Best (or worst ;-) Slogan for a Veteranarian:

  "No Lips, No Service" (We don't deal with snakes or chickens)

From the Austin-American Statesman



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