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From: pdg@crosfield.co.uk (paul goffin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Borg Scout Ship
Keywords: borg scout ship heavy
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:36:20 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <1992Sep8.232554.14129@unislc.uucp> zzekka@unislc.UUCP (Zeke Zecca,B2C10,4827) writes:
>	- is "metric tons" a unit of mass? I don't believe so.

Metric Tonnes are units of mass.

      1 MT == 1000 kg.

(The kilogram is the international unit of mass.  Yes, the kilogram, not
the gram (or gramme), which should, perhaps be called the "mili-kilogram".)

Paul
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From: Anthony_Battles_-T@cso.3mail.3com.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: The Next Phase: Question
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:03:00 GMT


>If Geordie(sp!) an Ro can walk through walls and equipment,  What keeps 
>them from falling through the floor?  

The Writers pen.

anthony
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From: haaser@quince.ssc.gov (Bobby Haaser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Seatbelts
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:50:24 GMT
Organization: SuperConducting Supercollider

Hello most excellent treknofantalists,

In article <chan.08ne@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca>, chan@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Chan) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.175955.20525@udel.edu>, ram@pecan.cns.udel.edu
|> (Stormbringer) writes:
|> >>>>I have just a tiny question, one which a friend of mine keeps
|> >>>>complaining about...why is it that nobody in the bridge, even when they
|> >>>>know they are going to get blasted, ever wears a seatbelt?????????
|> >
|> >
|> >I have asked many times as well!
|> >
|> >>However, the original question is valid -- if it is known that the IDF
|> >>can't compensate immediately and completely for potentially injurious
|> >>jolts, why isn't there a secondary restraint?  This has been addressed
|> >>in the Star Trek motion pictures, but not very well in TNG.  I do,
|> >>however, remember one episode where seat belts were featured on a TNG
|> >>shuttlecraft (Riker was flying, Troi and Data were passengers).  This
|> >>is especially a problem since most bridge injuries seem to result from
|> >>people being thrown out of their seats or off their feet as a result
|> >>of some impact.
|> >
|> >I wholeheartley agree!  Somebody ask this Question at a convention
|> >or something.  (request to all people who attend conventions :)
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >-- 
|> >|~~~\ |    | /~~~\ |    | "We go out in the world and take our chances,   
|> >|___/ |    | \     |____|  Fate is the just the weight of circumstances,
|> >|  \  |    |   \   |    |  That's the way lady luck dances,                   
|> >|   \  \__/ \___/  |    |  Roll the Bones....."           
|> 
|>     Well its supposeively the gravity inertia fields would componsate for such
|> an impact and it it could prove very hazardous when the ship is under heavy
|> attack if the ship where to abandon ship or shrapnel to explode. Also Starfleet
|> officer are trained under this kind of situation to expect these kind of blows.
|> 
|> Data Chan

The system is called >> INERTIAL DAMPING SYSTEM
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From: jcm3r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Spaceman SPiff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Vger:TMP
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:09:20 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <920911.062023@3Mail.3Com.COM> Anthony_Battles_-T@cso.3mail.3com.com writes:
>I was watching ST:TMP Last night and when the space station was 
>encountering Vger. One of the commanders stated that Vgers Cloud radius 
>is 84 au's.

stuff deleted

>
>My question is: How is something that size supposed to come home to 
>                earth?
>
>

As I remeber, the cloud dispersed as V'ger got close to earth.

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From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaking device and the Fed.
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <92253.154317HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> In article <BuBq72.FuG@cup.hp.com>, runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) says:
> >
> >tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
> >>       I remember someone had asked this before a while back.  The reponse
> >>went something like this:
> >>       The Federation has the ability to use the cloaking device, ...
> >
> 
> The Federation MUST have cloaking technology, based upon the old show where
> Kirk stole the damned thing from the Romulans.  However, it is obvious
> that the Ferderation doesn't use it.  Or do they?
> 
> In the Episode REUNIFICATION I and II they have close up photos of Spock on
> the Romulnan homeworld.  They never mention WHERE they got these photos
> from.  I can assume that the federation has suppressed cloaking technology
> and use it for their secret reconnaisance.  How about a cloaked spy satelite
> the size of a tennis ball orbiting the Romulan homeworld?  Hmmmm.
> 
> For what it's worth, this is an assumption in a ST:TNG episode that I am
> currently writing.  It's my idea (well, actually a friends) so HANDS OFF :-)
> Anyway, it'll probably get rejected by Paramount.   :-(
> 
> 

What about the episode where the natives think that Picard is a god. The survey  
team observeing the natives live in a 'cloaked' observatory on the side of the  
cliff.

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:31:46 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <chan.08lv@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> chan@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Chan) writes:
<\c9By the Star Trek The Next Generation techincal manual written by Rick
<Sternbach and Mike Okunda(Techinal Advisors of Star Trek: The Next Generation)
<says that \c7"Warp 10 is unachievable. At Warp 10 the exponent and the speed
<would be infinete, so you cannot reach this value. If you did from some miracle
<reach warp 10, you would be everywhere at the same place and time like the
<novel "Vendetta". So that can explain Q goddness of being everywhere at once
<excepted when he's in one body such as the human body. To explain the worm
<hole, it is a dimeninal shift in space. If you play AD&D, i can descibe 
<it as a dimentional door or a huge mass transporter which you cannot plot its
<course. Now for Barley, er Barkley, what he did is change the science of space.
<So the enterprise is going normal speed but the barkley changed the physics of
<space so he can make it go faster!"
<
<
<\r1    \r0
<\r1 \r0   \r1 
<\r1 \r0   \r1 \r0  A  T  A    C  H  A  N  !
<\r1    \r0

What the Hell are all the \c and \r things doing in these postings?  They
do nothing for most readers on the net.  Their use is discouraged.
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From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: 'The Next Phase' Question
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:52:37 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

I am new to this news group, so this question probably has been answered 
thousands of times... heck, I don't even care for an answer, but...
 
In TNG episode 'The Next Phase,' how come Geordi and Ro are able to pass 
through everything, yet they can't go through floors?  You would think that 
when Ro was running, the stomping of her feet would cause something to 
happen.
 
This episode had many other unexplainable occurences, but this is the only 
one I can clearly remember (I'm not taping TNG episodes 'till my local 
station goes to stereo in Jan '93, just in time for DS9).

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:43:16 EDT
From: <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaking device and the Fed.

In article <BuBq72.FuG@cup.hp.com>, runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) says:
>
>tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>>       I remember someone had asked this before a while back.  The reponse
>>went something like this:
>>       The Federation has the ability to use the cloaking device, ...
>

The Federation MUST have cloaking technology, based upon the old show where
Kirk stole the damned thing from the Romulans.  However, it is obvious
that the Ferderation doesn't use it.  Or do they?

In the Episode REUNIFICATION I and II they have close up photos of Spock on
the Romulnan homeworld.  They never mention WHERE they got these photos
from.  I can assume that the federation has suppressed cloaking technology
and use it for their secret reconnaisance.  How about a cloaked spy satelite
the size of a tennis ball orbiting the Romulan homeworld?  Hmmmm.

For what it's worth, this is an assumption in a ST:TNG episode that I am
currently writing.  It's my idea (well, actually a friends) so HANDS OFF :-)
Anyway, it'll probably get rejected by Paramount.   :-(


Hans C. Masing | HCM100@PSUVM.psu.edu  | Penn State University MIS Dept |

If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is
"God is crying."  And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to
tell him is "Probably because of something you did."  - Jack Handey
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From: sberger@sedona.intel.com (Scott Berger)
Subject: Re: Borg Scout Ship
Originator: sberger@sedona
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler AZ.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:55:22 GMT


In article <92252.214723KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.232554.14129@unislc.uucp>, zzekka@unislc.uucp (Zeke Zecca)
> says:
> >
> >In the episode "I Borg", Data or some one at the helm said that the borg
.
.
.
> is mostly "steel", and half its total volume is material -- a _very_
> conservative estimate, 70%+ is more likely with the Borg -- then its mass
> would be about 300 metric tons.
> 
> This is a factor of 10^4 _smaller_ than the estimate given in the episode.
> Why?  Well, suppose my guess as to the ship's size is completely wrong,
> and the ship were really 20 times as big linearly (100 m instead of 5 m).
> That would give immediately a factor of 8000 in volume, and hence in mass.
> Now, it strikes me that a ship 100 m on a side is a bit roomy for only
> five Borg, but maybe there were many more inside, though we have no
> evidence of that.

	Yes we do. Remember that Hugh's Borg identification was
"third of five", before Geordi renamed him.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Binars and the Borg  (was: Re: what is the significance of 11001001 in "11001001"
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 20:11:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep04.023716.18498@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>Has anyone noticed the similarities between the Binars and the Borg? Both live
>in a symbiotic relationship with a computer network, and both are dependent upon
>said network (but then again, that's what symbiotic means).

This was mentioned in Starlog's TNG Tech Journal, and I has
gotten me thinking...

>Why did the Borg 'go bad,' as it were, while the Binars were able to control
>their system? Maybe the Federation should send a shipload of Binars after the
>Borg, after all, they can relate to them! Who knows better how to annoy a
>computer-dependent lifeform than another computer-dependent lifeform?

The Bynars are a lot more 'primitive' than the Borg, IMHO. The
Borg require no food, only a source of energy and, presumably, a
small supply of raw materials (drawn from an atmosphere?) to
maintain an 'individual' Borg. Every aspect of their, er, lives
are tied to the Collective...

The Bynars appear mostly organic, with only communication and
thought regulated by their buffer systems and their main
Planetary Computer. I imagine that, after a few more centuries,
the Bynars would 'advance' to the technology of the Borg.

The Borg wish to advance in technology, but they may be stagnant,
with the lack of individual thought. Thus, to improve, they must
assimilate other cultures, gaining new technologies but causing
the new culture to lose its creativity with assimilation. The
cycle repeats.

I imagine there will be a 6th (or 7th?) season episode where a
Cube ship warps towards Earth, varying speed (so noone can beam
over), and as the Federation masses for another assault, the Borg
open a channel to Starfleet Command with the following line:

"We wish to be assimilated."

Joshua
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From: bbohac@nyx.cs.du.edu (bbohac)
Subject: Re: Vger:TMP
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:19:58 GMT

In article <920911.062023@3Mail.3Com.COM> Anthony_Battles_-T@cso.3mail.3com.com writes:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I was watching ST:TMP Last night and when the space station was 
>encountering Vger. One of the commanders stated that Vgers Cloud radius 
>is 84 au's.
Yes.
>Now from what I learned in astronomy, 1 Au (astronomical unit) is the 
>distance from the earth to the sun.
So far so good.
>Correct me if I am wrong ( and I am sure you will) If Vger's cloud is 84 
>au's then it is larger than our solar system.
Actually, I believe, Neptune is greater than 100 AUs from Sol, and, at the
moment, is the farthest planet from Sol (until 1998 or something when
Pluto once again passes outside Neptune's orbit).
>In other words Vger's diameter is 7,812,000,000 miles in diameter.
>
But 84 AUs is slightly large (to exagerate just a tad).
>My question is: How is something that size supposed to come home to 
>                earth?
This is an excelent question, indeed.  But, if I remember my ST:TMP correctly,
the cloud dissipated or shrank, didn't it (I might be wrong)?
>
>
>Anthony
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Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 01:03:46 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Warp Stuff


     Here's a poser:

     Does light in subspace travel at warp 10? Hmmmmmm...

     Basis comes from a few lines in one of Diane Duane's novels (said as he
ducks various "That's non-canon" flames :-). Specifically that rumor is the
only thing to travel faster than light in Otherspace.

     Of course you also have warp 11-14 in her books, but it's TOS.

     Anyway, I thought it a reasonable conclusion to draw, paralleling the
sublight and warp domains (i.e. you can get to .9999etc. c by expending more
and more energy, but it takes infinite energy to travel AT c - all in normal
space - and you can analogously get to warp 9.9999etc. by expending more and
more energy, but warp 10 requires infinite energy). It sort of completes the
parallel. Maybe that's what Gene had in mind when redefining warp. Or maybe
I'm just staying up too late and rehashing the obvious. Whatever,

                                             -Robb Timlin
                                              rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:13:14 EDT
From: <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: The Next Phase: Question

In the '92 season episode "The Next Phase", Geordi and Ro were caught
in a cloaking/transporter thingy type accident.  They were transporting
over from the Romulan ship and they had some type of power module or something.
When they materialized on the Enterprise in cloaked mode, what happened
to the power thingamajigger?  Just a question...   8-}


Hans C. Masing | HCM100@PSUVM.psu.edu  | Penn State University MIS Dept |

If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is
"God is crying."  And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to
tell him is "Probably because of something you did."  - Jack Handey
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From: loren@bluemoon.rn.com (Loren Sims)
Subject: Borg Scout Ship
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:57:57 EDT

KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)  writes:
>
> Assuming the ship is mostly "steel", and half its total volume is 
>material -- a _very_ conservative estimate, 70%+ is more likely with the
>Borg -- then its mass would be about 300 metric tons.
  
Ah yes, but what do we really know about the material that the ship is 
made of?  And just how much does a 'gravity generator' weigh (or a FTL 
drive, for that matter)?
  I'd much prefer to assume ultra-dense exotic materials than assume that
what I saw on my screen was an optical illusion, much less (*shudder!*)
wrong.
                                                                  -Loren

 This is from
     loren@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
From: 01calvin@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Question about communicators
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:37:20 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <189enuINNcg0@agate.berkeley.edu>, ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
> In article <92248.140000ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> }This computer first reads the infra-red print on the finger when the officer
> }taps his communicator then listens to here who the person wants to contact.
> }In a milli-second the computer routes the communication to the intended
> }party and plays back the begining of the message. Simple ay?
> 
> Yeah, except for the countless times they don't bother to tap their
> communicator.  More likely each crew member has their name already
> coded in, so the computer just reads that to find out who's making
> the request.  Or if you want to get fancy, the computer is able to
> make a voice identification of who's making the request.

	As I understand it, the computer uses the communicator pin to
	locate members of the crew. (as can be seen in numerous episodes)
	That indicates to me that the computer then only has to route the
	message to whom ever posesses the pin associated to the name
	of whomever was specified.

	For those of you familiar with FTP and telnet, you can use a 
	number to connect to another node, or you can use a name
	as long as that name is recorded in the IP log as being 
	associated to that number...

	I don't know why voice recognition would be fancy...  we have it
	now... although there's a number of ways of going about it.

	I figure that the computer in TNG is constantly monitoring requests
	for communications and waits either for the tap of the pin
	(like a switch) or the words "XXX to YYY" and then goes from
	there...

Spiff
"I like Worf.  I think the bumps on his head are cute."
	- Rachael.  (My girlfriend)
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Warp eleven mystery
Keywords: Impossible
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:09:39 GMT

> Yesterday I read TNG book #6, "Power Hungry" by Howard Weinstein.
> I quote from page 11 of that book;
>
>	Data scanned his console. "Retreating at ... warp eleven." 
>	His eyebrows rose in surprise at the speed - faster than
>	the Enterprise could manage.
>
> I've always thought that Warp 10 was *the* limit for speed for all ships
> in the StarTrek universe, not just Federation ships. Those warp eleven
> ships were Nuaran, so I guess they have very impressive warp technology, eh?

It's been awhile since I read that, but I can only think that since Weinstein
writes for both series he may have gotten confused. Unless it's just a 
misprint. There is no such thing as Warp 10...Just like there is nothing
below 0 on the Kelvin scale.
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From: rau@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Drau)
Subject: Re: Relative to ?
Keywords: fnord light Einstein's a meanie... 
Organization: Fredonian Computer Network 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.202046.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Speed of light, ships back to back ... Would someone care to explain what LIGHT
>travels relative to ? The centre of the universe ? Earth :) ? Students of a 
>rival University ?
>Trevor Phillips
>sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
>

 Well, light travels at c relative to everything.  The centre of the universe
is inhabited by Azathoth, what light won't get near ("This is Captain Jean-Luc
Picard of the..."  <CRUNCH!> => ), Earth is hardly important in the galaxy,
much less the universe, and students of a rival university?  Bah!  Everybody
knows that there's no such thing!

- Drau

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