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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien Races?
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:17:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost) writes:
	Will someone explain to me why an extraterrestrial race is
	required to conquer us?  

... probably by taking human analogies.  The great European "Age of
Discovery" was actually an age of conquest -- people didn't travel
long distances to far distant places for no reason; they wanted to get
something (land, gold, slaves, whatever.)  To get what they came all
that way to get, they had to conquer the peoples sitting on top of
what they wanted.  One may explore, but you still gotta pay the bills
(there are other ways to do this -- NASA, for instance, does not
conquer, but does carry out an extensive publicity campaign for its
explorations to keep money coming in from the government.)

	What if they were here on simply scientific reasons?  If they
	were here because of some inane desire to conquer us...

... the desire to conquer is not particularly inane, at least to the
conquerer.  At the very least, a conquered state is less of a threat
down the road; at best the conquered state is added to the
conquerer's, to the conquerer's benefit (resources, labor force,
markets for the conquerer's goods, etc.)  What makes conquest
difficult is that the subjected peoples sometimes do not like
it, and fight back...

	... they would havce done it already.

... depending on whose stories you believe, they (whoever they are)
may have already done so (I don't believe these stories, btw.)  In any
case, your argument could have been used equally well on May 9, 1940
by French citizens, until the Germans crossed the border the next
day...  We won't know until we know.

Charles
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From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost)
Subject: Belgium UFO
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:28:38 GMT

I fowarded an article describing very objectivly the Belgium UFO to 
sci.military and asked if they had any aircraft that matched that description. 
Well, it seems that it is moderated from within the Pentagon.  The article was 
not allowed on.  It seems that the government does have 
something to hide here.  Speculations?

Later!
C J Rogers
From: lwally@cix.compulink.co.uk (Lee Walton)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Alien in my laboratory
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: lwally@cix.compulink.co.uk
Cc: lwally@cix.compulink.co.uk

> I am a physicist who would like to know more about this
> as I have a friend in my department who I believe is an alien.

> I know this sounds absurd, but I have been thinking about this for
> a long time and I believe this to be the case.

And there I was thinking that ALL Oxford grads were aliens! :)

L. Walton
From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:42:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <1992Nov4.160042.25890@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris) writes:
|> 
|> I've got a hunch there is more than one face and that the Mars observer will
|> verify that and the existence of other artifacts.
|> 

Well, that's really silly.  Why would anyone in their right mind carve faces
in the side of a mountain??

bill

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Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 14 Nov 92 11:19:42 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu(David R.Stepien) 11 Nov 1992 15:23:20 GMT 
>Perhaps we can come to some concensus on a reasonable way to approach 
>this administration concerning secret UFO information.             
                
I've been waiting for someone to suggest this as it's not come up before 
to my knowledge.As I've heard/read it said that after being told by 
govt personall that all appropriate documents have been released when 
individuals/groups have FofIA requested govt held data on a UFO related 
subject information has later been released pertinent to the orginal 
request which was held by the govt well before the original request.
If that is true the question remains what may still not have been released.

Speculation could run rife on govt coverup to conceal spaceships,aliens 
alien plans to conquer Earth(why bother still remains),theats of actions 
still to come & super secret details to horrorible to dear reveal it's 
name.But speculation could also run rife on govt national technical 
means,spys in compromising positions,politicians in compromising positions 
(of various types),blunders by assorted personall some now in positions 
of influence,experiments gone awry to name just a few      BUT--

WHERE DOES IT ALL GET US???
still discussing,debating,arguing,flaming,boring etc,etc on a.a.v 
but hardly anything else?

If Clinton has thought about it at all & has been questioned/asked about 
it(has Clinton been asked about anything?) might it be a replay of the 
Bush,Nunn greys consulted me & promised to support hoopla?

>We would have to be very careful so that we would not be immediately 
>dismissed as a bunch of crackpots.

Whose the we?.Who would the we be dismissed by(please name names)?  
What influence would the dismissors have of significance? 
What exactly does careful mean/entail?

>If we did get the new President on our side would he fair any better?

Any better than who?.If as many US citizens don't trust politicians 
as much as has been claimed would a lot not believe Clinton & Co no 
matter what they say?

I for one think it's worth trying to arrange something to get some butt 
into action but how would it be arranged,who would have the muscle/savvy 
etc to get something going/done andAND what if it was a dismal failure?

Well it's all been said before.
What's the betting it will all be said/typed again & again & again & 
again & again

So who out their has the power??
Calling Net activists

************************                                        
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY?
OR JUST WAITING TO SEAL
THE ROYALTY DEAL
***************************
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fr
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 01:59:08 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

JP>The FDA has now started to raid practitioners that are
JP>using vitamins to tre
JP>diseases such as AIDS, holding patients and staff at gunpoint after kicki
JP>the doors (May 6, 1992, Kent, Washinton, Tahoma Clinic,
JP>Jonathon Wright, M.D

Can you provide substantiation of this claim?  I hadn't heard FDA agents
carry guns..........

Lauren
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From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien Races?
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 23:36:02 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

JPC>One of the most intelligent responses this group has seen for a long time..

JPC>Is Patrick the only one *really* thinking about all this?

Some of us do but wonder why anyone would visit here when we would be so
easy to conquer instead.

Lauren
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From: pharden@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Paul Harden)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: NASA SETI Efforts
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:26:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

Steve Gilbert (sgil@netcom.com) writes, in part:
>the NASA SETI initiative that was due to start scanning the sky for
>radio signals from other stars. ... Yesterday, in the current 
>edition of 'Science News', I saw an article that implied that the
>program had, in fact, started.  It specifically mentioned that the
>Arecibo radio telescope and the VLA were involved. 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
The above cited article appears in SCIENCE NEWS, November 17, 1992,
Vol. 142, No. 19, page 317 entitled *Is there anybody out there?*
The article specifically mentions Arecibo, and to a lesser extent
Parkes Radio Telescope in Australia.  IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY
MENTION THE VLA ... and for good reason: the VLA is not engaged in
SETI research, nor involved with the NASA SETI effort in any way.

The VLA (Very Large Array) radio telescope is a National Radio
Astronomy Observatory facility located near Socorro, New Mexico.
It consists of 27 88-ft. diameter dish antennas forming a wye (Y)
configuration.  Each leg of the wye is about 12-mi. long.  We are
currently in the A-configuration, meaning we are employing the full
12-mile lengths of the arms, yielding a field of view of a few
tenths of an arcsecond.  This extremely narrow field of view,
combined with the nature of the electronics and data processing
techniques, makes the VLA unsuitable for a general sky survey.

Scientists and astronomers from around the world submit proposals
to use the VLA instrument, and observing time is granted based
on the merit of the proposal. SETI requests are considered with
the same scrutiny as anyother experiment proposal.  There have
been very few proposals for SETI work over the past 10 years, due
primarily to the unsuitability of the VLA for this type of work.

Paul Harden (pharden@nrao.edu)
National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Socorro, New Mexico 87801
From: Dr.Death@kip-sn-73.dartmouth.edu (Dr. Death)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: HUH?
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:31:03 GMT
Organization: X-had-King-Killed
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:30:25 GMT
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HUH?
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:23:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Perhaps we can come to some concensus on a reasonable way to approach this
administration concerning secret UFO information.  Some sort of request
would need to be formulated, and an appropriate channel for delivering
this request identified.

My guess is that Bill Clinton is not very "up" on this subject, and that 
some basic education would be a necessity for him to take us seriously.  
We would have to be very careful so that we would not be immediately 
dismissed as a bunch of crackpots.  In my view, we would want to
formulate a summary of the hardest of the hard evidence that exists today.
This should include some of the recent abduction research findings (a la 
David Jacobs and John Mack), and some mass multiple witness case reports
(a la Gulf Breeze, Peurto Rico and Belgium).  

Next we would need to identify and recruit a very respectable spokesman
who could approach the government with our request.  If the person was
well known enough, we might be able to generate some media coverage, which
might put a little pressure on the government to repond.

My feeling in this is that the chance of making some real progress in 
declassifying UFO information will be much greater with the Clinton 
administration than it was in the Republican years.  But remember that, as
rumor has it, Carter was stymied in his attempts in this area.  If we
did get the new President on our side, would he fare any better?

David
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: uk01719@nx28.mik.uky.edu (Tracy D. Kilroy)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
    <1992Nov11.140037.25069@netcom.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx28.mik.uky.edu!uk01719
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:25:32 GMT

In <1992Nov11.140037.25069@netcom.com> rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse) writes:
|  President Carter said that he saw a UFO with some other people
|but skeptics say that he saw Venus.   Ronald Regan said that he
|saw a UFO from Air Force One but no one took it seriously because
|Regan often said things that didn't make sense.

 I was informed that Carter asked some government officials for the 
records of UFO research to be released but his request came back denied, 
and they would not even let him see any documents they had.

Tracy
University of Kentucky
uk01719@mik.uky.edu
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 06:32:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov5.122845.25063@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>

Dear Folk: I believe the person asking the last question had better
restate the question or maybe the question was written in as a
Kibo-ologist. I don't understand the language called Kibo very
well.
John Winston
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: ea500@city.ac.uk (LAKKOJU V N M)
Subject: ufos and Newage
Keywords: ufos
Organization: The City University
Distribution: alt
Date:  6 Nov 92 10:18:38 GMT

I THINK THERE IS SOME RELATION BETWEEN UFOs AND "CORN CIRCLES"
FURTHERE WHILE MANY PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND VALID REASION FOR 
FORMATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF CORN CIRCLES AND SOME  INVESTIGATORS ARE 
TRYING TO LINK THIS THEORY WITH "VORTEX " FORMATION AND "VORTEX " MOVEMENT 
IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT VALID REASONS AND PREDICTIONS CAN BE MADE FROM VORTEX THEORY FOR ORIGION DEVELOPMENT AND DECAY OF TORNODOS,CYCLONES AND 

I THINK IN NEAR FUTURE SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FOR
BOTH UFOs AND CORN CIRCLES 

I AM INTERESTED TO FURTHER ANY ONE COULD BE ABLE TO SEND LINK BETWEEN 
UFOs AND ORN CIRCLES



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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: rapture in flames
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:47:42 GMT

In article <17078@mindlink.bc.ca>, Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) writes:
>>nmt@NSA writes:
>>>My words--         Hey, I've experienced the rapture, (excuse me) the
>>RAPTURE several times and I didn't have to wait for Oct. 28.  Many of us
>>>modern folk call it orgasm and it can be heavenly and almost as good as the
>>>second coming.  :)
>>> Colleen
>>> --
> ?>> It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
>>> The Crimson Bunion
> 
>>     Hey you, DEVIL WORSHIPER!!!!!
> 

To the anonymous poster who flamed Colleen:  in the immortal words of 
Whoopie Goldberg:
	"Mick, Mick, Speak ENGLISH, Mick!"

And to Colleen:

Great comeback.  One of the best I've ever seen.  Rational, thoughtful,
and well written!  I agree with you 150%  It's people like Mr./Ms. Moral
Majority that are corrupting the young!

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL)
Subject: UFO crash in South Africa
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:52:56 GMT

Yesterday I was watching a documentary on UFO's and they mentioned a UFO 
crash in S.A.  Now, considering that that is where I live, I found it rather 
unusual.  There had been nothing in the papers, nothing mentioned by 
ufologists in S.A., and nothing on television regarding even a hint about 
something crashing, let alone a UFO.

Aaaah!  Cover up, they cry.  Considering I got the information first from 
UFO Universe Magazine, which I lost all respect for when they started 
talking about BigFoot steering one of those things (surely his feet get in 
the way) and major clashes between the US forces and a bunch of aliens who 
have taken over a part of an army base (ala "War of the Worlds").  I 
have further reasons to doubt it when the footage they showed on the same 
programme (called Miracles of the Unknown - UFOS) included stuff of Billy 
Meier's, which have been discovered to be fake, and UFOs whose drivers must 
obviously be drunk or have no idea where they want to go.  Those things were 
spinning and and falling.  Hell, they're worse than taxi drivers.  And what'
s more, they looked so FAKE.

But back to the topic, if anyone has any more info on the subject, I would 
appreciate hearing it.  So far all I've heard is second hand reports about a 
crash which to me is so unlikely it is beyond the boundaries of belief.

Lastly, I have yet to find a UFO magazine or documentary that treats the 
topic with any degree of credibility.  Everyone I have seen is so hokey or 
filled with ridiculous garbage that it is no wonder that the subject of UFOs 
does not get serious attention from a large sector of the scientific 
community.  And if you don't believe that people are making up some of this 
trash, then you can always fall back to the "Government disinformation", and 
if this is the reason behind it, then they've done a damn good job.  The 
subject has become so discredited I think MJ12 is quite happy, sitting back 
and smiling at their little UFO tucked under a tarpaulin at Wright-
Pattersons.  For if there is any reason why there are so many reports as to 
UFOs crashing in some isolated area (why always isolated; they have good 
aim) it must be because it is disinformation.  One UFO crash could be 
believed, but they probably figured that if they spread so much disinfo 
around regarding hundreds of other crashes, investigators would overlook the 
one that occurred and the man/woman in the street would think its as hokey 
as seers who all say the world is going to end, and give different dates for 
its destruction.

All the best,
Ryan.
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Winstons pyramid builders
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:08:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
 
	>Dear Pyramid Watchers: I just got through seeing a TV show called
	>This Old Pyramid by Nova. I highly recommend it.

	pharden@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Paul Harden) writes
	Yeah ... SO??????

... maybe he was just recommending it because he thought it would
be of interest.  The show is quite good; it addresses a lot of
the old issues of pyramid building, and puts to rest a lot of
the "ancient astronaut" stuff.  Along the way, it also puts various
pyramid-building theories to a practical test (to the consternation 
of chief proponents, who they brought to Egypt to supervise
construction in "their" method.)

Charles
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollma
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 02:01:16 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

CI>1)  If you were replaced by a clone that had all your memories, how can
CI>    you tell?  How do you know YOU'RE not a clone?

CI>2)  How do you know that girl wasn't one of "them"?  How do you know we,
CI>    the posters and readers of this newsgroup, aren't clones?

CI>3)  If you know so much about "them", would it make sense for them to
CI>    allow you to expose them on a public network read by thousands of
CI>    people?

Hey! I know am not a clone.........at least I think I'm not........

lauren (the original I think)
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From: MOD21300@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Mark-Stefan Scheftner, Modula)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Reply-To: MOD21300@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de
Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:28:45 GMT


Do you think a creature wich speaks with his Bigfoots can even handle an UFO???
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Globa
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 02:06:10 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

FR>John - Hah!  You call that big!?!  Elvis came to me last night and took
FR>me to a ship 14 _lightyears_ across.  It's called the 'Blue Suede Shoe'.
FR>So don't tell me about big.  BTW - you said 'I show you big'.  Does this
FR>mean you have pictures?  I'd show you mine, but I forgot my camera :-(.


you slay me..........hahahaha....."forgot may camera"......hahahhahaha

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From: case@infonode.ingr.com (Bill Case)
Subject: Re: Wake up to reality
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.200538.9849@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>
>Ande INNE that TYME, the worlde must bycome indundated with LETTRES
>CAPITAL or Dystruction of the Playce they wille calle SOUTHERN
>INDYANA wille be IMMINENTE,...

Good grief!  I grew up in Southern INDYANA,  surrounded by otherworldly
relatives,  then went to school in Tallahassee, landing in the same 
Tallahassee Memorial Emergency Room made famous by Gary Stollman (with 
a couple of days missing from my space/time continuum.)  Now if Gary took 
the same Creative  Writing 101 class at FSU,  I'll really don my Mark Lane 
glasses! 

Bill "life imitates Art Linkletter"" Case
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:17:29 GMT

> 
> They could start with Area 51 at Groomlake Nevada, and then next
> to Los Alamos. I would dig through every record of the Office of
> Naval Intelligence (ONI) from WW II to present time.
> 
> But who's kidding whom? They have no intention of releasing anything
> 'cept their Club Of Rome based dis-information campaign.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
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> 88:4205/1.1  - MUFON Network  1:3607/20.2  -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net
> NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN

  

    During the campaign the Clinton team had an address on some
computer network.  We could start by finding what address it is and
asking a few simple questions.  Questions that won't be considers
jokes and leave the subject open for further discussion.

    Also, I interest in the view of the Natural Law Party because 
have been using some computer network to formulate ideas for party.


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From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO crash in South Africa
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:01:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In other words......The mis/disinformation capaign is alive & well. Are you
confused yet.....good that is the way they like it . Whomever *THEY* are!


BTW Using Bill Moore (AKA double agent/mis/disinformant) to discern whether
or not something is shaky or not, is like asking Joe Isuzu what he thinks
of the competitions vehicle.

Rod

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