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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: New RhinoPro "Teal"...
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:24:53 GMT



Did anyone see the AC-Delco Classic last weekend?  Did anyone notice
that it was obvious that Brunswick paid the finalists to wear
RhinoPro shirts and use the new RhinoPro Teal and Blue balls?

They didn't seem to do well with them either.  Don't know if it was
just the lane conditions or not, but I was not impressed with the
way the Teal reacted on the backends.

Also the Teal has got to be one of the butt-ugliest balls Brunswick
has come out with in years!  Yeeech!....

BTW...thanks to everyone on their suggestions on a new ball...there
was an overwhelming number of you that suggested the RhinoPro Purple.
I went ahead and got one and had it drilled out 1/2 oz finger and 1/2 oz
side weight, finger inserts and 1/16" positive thumb pitch....
I love it!  first three sets...641, 676, 621....

In fact, I've probably bowled about eightor nine sets with that ball
since last Thursday (when I bought it) and I don't think I've bowled
below six with it yet!...

Oh well, Have to use it tonight in league..wish me luck.. ;-)


Regards,



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
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All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: FBL => Announcement....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:13:16 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> In article <1if3v3INNrop@hp-col.col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com
> writes:
> Well, DAMN Dave!  Congratulations!  That sounds like it would be ALOT
> more fun than working in a "real" job!  Sheesh...hey wanna become
> a hunting guide too?  The you and me could go up into the hills and
> hunt for WILD BOWLING BALLS!  You know...the Sumo, the Ninja, the Rhino
> and it's more experienced more elusive brother, the Rhino-Pro,  can't
> forget the BEAST...man there's some good ball huntin' in dem thair hills!

Thanks....I  do hunting also!!  though I probably won't do any guiding
during hunting season since I need the time to fill my own freezer!

> 
> Seriously, Colorado has some of the BEST stream fishing in the U.S.
> (IMHO, which is good nuff for me).  I remember fishing rainbow trout
> many a day near Cripple Creek and Pikes Peak.....ahhh.....fishing rod in
> one hand and a cool can of Colorado Golden Flow in the other.....

There  definetly is some good fishing out here...  I am not limited to
wading  either...  I own a 14'  whitewater  raft that is setup for fly
fishing....  Nothing  like rafting the Gunnison or such with a fly rod
in hand and beer(unless I am guiding, then Dr.  Pepper) in the cooler!
And the raft holds a big 100 Quart cooler!!
From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: What do you think of ProAms
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:19:31 -0500
Organization: Lost In Space

>Hello all,

>In a couple of months there's going to be a Pro/Am tourniment in my area.
>I've been thinking of entering it and was wondering if any of you have
>participated in one of the Pro/Am tourniments.

>It costs $100 for three games (5 amateurs and 1 professional) and no matter
>how you do in the tourniment, you either get an embroidered commemorative
>jacket or a Pro Rhino ball, your choice.  Is it worth it?

>Carl

That wouldn't be the Johnny Petraglia Open Pro-Am at Carolier Lanes, would
it?  I've bowled in it both previous years (actually cashed last year) and
I'll be there again this year.  IMHO, it's the best way to meet the pros
Up Close And Personal (tm) short of becoming a roadie for the Pro Tour.  
After years of seeing these guys on TV, it was great to see them in person
and talk to them as people instead of celebrities.  

The first time, I was just awestruck at seeing the likes of Brian Voss and
Mike Aulby and Walter Ray Williams walking aroung "my" bowling center.  My 
sister and I ran around filling a 1991 PBA yearbook with autographs, and I
even managed not to embarrass myself on the lanes.  Last year, I was a bit
better prepared.  I acted less like a crazed fan and more like a fellow
bowler, and I enjoyed it more and bowled better.  This year, I'm going to 
really try to win the thing (yeah, right :-).

As for the steep entry fee (it was "only" $90 the last two years), think of
it this way.  The Rhino Pro is definitely a bargain at $100, and the jacket
is probably worth that much as well, so you really bowl for free.  Plus, you
get the best seat in the house to watch some top pros in action (i.e. the
lanes), and if you bowl well and cash, that's extra icing on the cake.

Anyway, to make a long story short, if you can scrape up the c-note, do it.  
You'll definitely be glad you did.

-- 
Tony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

a.k.a. Skip Bowler, captain of USENET Fantasy Bowling League Team 9.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: finger spread
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:53:39 GMT

I have gotten in the habit of using the spread of my first and little
fingers to control the amount of rotation on the ball...

Keeping the fingers close to my middle fingers gives me nice rotation,
while spreading them further apart takes rotation off of the ball (real
handy for that ten pin shot :-)

Is this a common technique?  Does anyone else do this regularly?  Is
this a bad habit I am developing?  Is this going to make my
fingers/hand/forearm/shoulder fall off after five years?

---
Paul (Cliffy) Palmer
New Technology, Inc.
700 Boulevard South, Suite 401
Huntsville, Alabama 35802
 
Internet:	palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov.
Telephone:	(205) 461-4569


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: ABC Spots Available
Originator: bkg@earth
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 12:12:19 GMT

I have spots in the ABC Tourney for sale. 

They are as follows:

4 All Events (Doubles, Singles, Team) $45 each.

1 Team Event Only $35 each.

Location: Tulsa Oklahoma (Where the wind goes screeming down the plain)
Date/Times:
    Team Event: February 18th, 1993 - 7:30pm 
    Dbls Sngls: February 19th, 1993 - 9:00am

All Entries must have valid 1992-93 ABC Card.

This would be a good chance for some of the FBLrs to get together, meet,
bowl, and party.

Please respond via E-mail if there is any interest or further info wanted.

FYI: I will consider breaking up entries (ie. When you pay for dbls & sngls,
the Team is essentially free anyhow!)
-- 
KK  KKK  Ben K. Gibson                           E-mail: bkg@ssd.kodak.com
K Kodak  Eastman Kodak Company                   Phone:  (716)588-4313
KK  KKK  Rochester, NY 
----------------- Opinions Expressed are my own, Not EK Co. -----------------
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Re:
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X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:20:37 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:23:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.185141.3117@cis.ohio-state.edu> michael anthony gross,
gross@toucan.cis.ohio-state.edu writes:
>better.  However it doesn't matter what we say here on this net.  The shot
>will be set for the average bowler because that's where the money is at
>(information from Aki's post--no plagorism here).
>


Ain't it a bitch too...the only way we can keep bowling alive is to make
it as fun and easy as possible...like a double edged sword...

damned if we do...and damned if we don't...


and besides...

is it just me or is the food in the bowling alleys really gotten bad?

I remember several years ago, just about any bowling alley had the
best burgers around...now service is ridiciously slow and the food is
just terrible...

but that's another story....beer is still cold tho!  
Question, does any of the houses in your area serve REAL beer?  I mean
like ales?  Maybe a good european ale on tap for example?  

Ah....a Youngs Ramrod on tap during league....:-) :-) :-) :-)

to hell with bowling...gimme the sounds of pins falling and a pint-o-ale
and a wide screen T.V. with a Redskins game on!



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: New RhinoPro "Teal"...
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:24:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.142453.25253@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>
>Did anyone see the AC-Delco Classic last weekend?  Did anyone notice
>that it was obvious that Brunswick paid the finalists to wear
>RhinoPro shirts and use the new RhinoPro Teal and Blue balls?
                                                   ^^^^      
You were right about 4 out of 5 of the finalists using the Teal.  However,
if you're referring to the ball that tournament leader Ron Williams was
using, that was the new Ebonite Crush, not the blue RhinoPro.  Notice
that Williams, being on Ebonite's staff, was the only one not wearing
the RhinoPro shirt (he was wearing the Ebonite Crush/R if I remember
correctly).  

Aki, surely you know that *everything* used on TV carries incentive
bonuses, right down to the Dick Weber wrist bands without the metal inside
(otherwise know as a "wrap" on the tour).  My guess is that Brunswick may
have had a better than normal incentive for using the Teal.  Another
possibility is the Teal comes dull, for use on oil.  I still suspect my
first guess is closer to the truth.  It's not unusual to get $3000-5000
to throw a ball.  Sometimes, the incentive will double if you win.
Brunswick may have been offering alot more.

It's funny you should mention it, but yesterday I asked Lisa (Steve's wife)
Hoskins to send a message to Steve asking him if the ball is incredible
or was the incentives just too good to pass up.  I'll let you know what
he says, (if she remembers to tell him).

One point to consider is that none of those guys would use any ball to
grab the incentive money if they didn't think they could win with it.
One exception may be if they think they have *NO* chance to win, then
they might grab all the incentive they can, but that's probably rare. :-)
Think of the incentive money as a tie breaker when choosing between one
or more "equal" alternatives.

>
>They didn't seem to do well with them either.  Don't know if it was
>just the lane conditions or not, but I was not impressed with the
>way the Teal reacted on the backends.
>
>Also the Teal has got to be one of the butt-ugliest balls Brunswick
>has come out with in years!  Yeeech!....

I agree with you there!

> [praise on the new purple RhinoPro deleted]

Congrats on the success with the new ball.

Vince
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:26:13 GMT

In article <1ika66INNpkf@hp-col.col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>That  is not a  foul....  what is a foul is if he  retrieves  the  pen
>without first asking  permission of the other team.  It is stated very
>clearly  in  the  rule  book.  Your   secretary  is  wrong.  (being  a
>secretary  and having  dealt with the exact  problem I know this to be
>true.)


tsk tsk Dave...maybe the guy tried to retrieve the pen with his HEAD,
hence the foul...   ;-)



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: dry lanes
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:00:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

cwm54@cas.org () writes:
> 

** Good stuff about dry lanes deleted for brevity **

>        Also, what do you think of the Rhino pro (purple)?  Considering
>     the aforementioned balls, will it add anything to my game or is it
>     pretty much the same as the Nitro? What about the new Rhinos coming
>     out? I thought I read in this newsgroup a price of 88$ for a teal
>     Rhino. Are the new resin Rhinos better/worse than similar resins
>     of other brands?

Welcome to the group...  I like you had a problem with dry lanes...  I
use a Sumo and it hooks over to the next pair if the lanes are  dry...
I found myself  standing far left and throwing to the one board to get
brroklyn  strikes(ok..  maybe not that bad...  but...).  For christmas
I decided I deserved a new  ball...  so I bought a purple  Rhino  Pro.
This ball is designed for drier  conditions.  I can say I am very very
pleased  with the ball.  In 9 league  games I have only two  under 200
and they were my fault  totally.  My first  series with the ball was a
641  and my high series was a 656.  I am a high 180's average  bowler
with my Sumo...  So far I am a 212 average with my Rhino Pro.  Would I
recommend  this  ball  to  anyone???  Not  if I  was  bowling  against
them!!!!

Good luck!

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: gross@toucan.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael anthony gross)
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:18:42 GMT

In article <1ikc4sINN3qt@gap.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:

>Well, the rule book IS NOT clear at all. Hence the problem. It states that
>a foul is when a part of the bowler's *PERSON* crosses the line. Ther
>was also no mention of the "retrieving the object without the other
>teams permission". But, maybe we missed it. 
>
>Additionally, the secretary had a "secretaries hadbook" (WIBC) that showed
>(with a picture) the case where an object falls across the line. It 
>explicitly stated that that WAS a foul.
>
>What I am wondering is if there is a difference between WIBC and WABC 
>rules. Personally, I don't think this SHOULD be a foul at all.
>He was called for a foul.
>
>anne
>
>
>

anne
      In the past anything that went accross the line besides the ball was
called a foul be it a pen, your glasss or even an ear-ring (in the ABC).  A
few years ago they changed that rule because of complaints.  Now the rule is
if any *part the body* goes past the foul line then a foul will be called.
Because of that, if the bowler you talked about went and picked up his pen 
without asking first *he is crossing the foul line* the other team COULD CALL
A FOUL.  What Dave told you was correct by ABC standards and he was only 
trying to help as am I.  You stated the the bowler in questing was a man so he
should fall under the ABC and SHOULD NOT have been called for a foul.

				Myke...

I hoped this helps the confussion that has resulted.
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Re:
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A773225628052631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:21:42 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:24:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.160406.585@dg-rtp.dg.com> Guy Simpson,
simpson@moonchild.rtp.dg.com writes:
>IMHO it's simply not right to say that dry lanes increase scoring.  I 
>believe it's the oiling pattern (generally lots of oil in the middle and
>less on the gutters) that allow the use of the techno balls that hook for 
>anyone and hit like a ton.


I don't know, maybe it's semantics but isn't the placement of oil or
the lack thereof be considered "dry"?  Since the lane either has
oil on it or not.  If not, it's considered dry.  Dry lanes generally
increase scoring for bowlers who don't excessively crank the ball
or use a highly reactive ball because it allows more room for error.

Remember how the scores (especially 300 games) soared under
short oil?  Short oil equated (IMHO) in most houses to little oil,
just enough to slide 10-15 feet down the lane and then start reacting.

Big crankers had a heck of a time and the polyester/plastic balls
started becoming popular (e.g. Black Knight, white dots, yellow dots etc).
As well as the polished up urethanes and "pearlized" urethane balls.

Now that most houses have atleast put "alittle" oil on the lanes (thanks
to ABC's 3 unit oil regulation), we have entered a new generation of
balls that are somewhere in between the shiny "slide long" balls and
the "break like hell,rough urethane balls on dry wood" balls called
reactive shells.  It's a happy compromise between dry backends and wet
frontends...

Now, if only they could produce a ball that "squirts" oil infront of it...;-)



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:56:51 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re:
 <1993Jan8.180819.28766@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>

In article <1993Jan8.180819.28766@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer) says:
>
>I wonder if we could invent a new type of soaker for dry lanes...Has
>anyone tried soaking a ball in 40 weight over night??? ;-)

Not just any 40 weight, though.  You gotta get that synthetic goop like a
Slick50 or a SynTech (??? with the motor running after the oil is drained.)
This will still give you a good effect after you pull it out of the bath.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Subject: Dry Lanes	
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:07:40 GMT
Reply-To: cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I agree with Aki when he said that the dry lane conditions have inflated
averages. I bowl in a
house that isn't dry, but they do give the outside shot. I'm averaging
about 195, and I think
I'm really a consistant 185 bowler (I hope I'm really better, but I
doubt it).  You get a lot 
of bowlers in our league that are bowling way above their ability, and
you also see the natural
200+ bowlers struggling with the conditions.	

Should we start a thread about how the ABC should regulate things better?


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: 1993 musings & comments
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 15:38:54 PST

  Hi Guys & Gals & bowling-type-peoples!  I know I'm getting old, because
I KNOW HOW TO KEEP SCORE!!!  The computer has been on the fritz for 2 days,
& the center had to recruit people to keep score, because most of the
leaguers didn't know how.  I taught my daughter years ago (she loved anything
that had to do with #'s), so when they were recruiting me, they grabbed her
also. But most of the 20 YO's don't know the first thing about keeping score,
since the center I coach YABA, & bowl at has had computerized scorekeepers
since the mid 80's & this is the 1st time they've been down, & so most of the
leaguers didn't need to learn...

  On an aside, for Christmas, I bought Chris (my teen) a blue hammer.  She has
a turbo, but she wanted something "for different lane conditions" for when she
bowls different houses during the YABA tourneys.  Well, she hasn't had much
luck with practising with it on medium oil lanes.  She stands on the left,
throws it to the 1 board (watch out Del Ballard) on the right, & gets the 7 pin
every time.  But, since she's gotten the BH, she has gotten really good with
her turbo.  541, 550, 610, & 563 series for her 4 house qualifying trys.
I'm gonna mention to her that she could improve her 160 avg even more, if she
tries Aki's house of pain techniques...:-)))
  Enough ramblings.  I was not drunk for New Years, but I am suffering from an
overindulgence of holiday eatings...(I make the best fudge, this side of the
Rockies)  Hope '93 means improved scores & lives...
Pamela
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: finger spread
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:28:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.173627.6827@cas.org> , cwm54@cas.org writes:
>
>    But I'm curious, how do you guys who have more than three or four balls
>    deal with transportation etc. of said balls. Do you take ALL of them
>    to the lanes? I mean you never know what kinds of conditions you'll
>    face.


It depends, most of the houses around here are similiar enough that I can
use the same pair of balls no matter which league/house I'm bowling in.

During an out of town tournament though, it's a different story, and if I
haven't bowled in that particuliar house before, it's not unusual for me
(and other bowlers) to bring 6,7,8 or even more bowling balls with them.
Yes, they'll drag most of them into the paddock area, weigh/check in all
of the balls that aren't already registered and during the practice session,
determine which ball(s) they'll probably use during the tournament.

What can I say?  It's the nature of the beast, if you want to beat the Joneses,
you have to KEEP UP with the Joneses.



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************