Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:47:21 GMT

In article <BuA258.MEL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <92Sep8.155429edt.143@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes...
>>In article <Bu6293.7Hu@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>>>In article <65500095@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>>>> 
>>>>Taiwan is a piece of land got back by China after we defeated Japan, I don't
>>>>understand why Mr. Chang says it is a country, if it is a country as
>>>>Mr. Chang claimed, there must be very few people know this.
>>>> 
>>>>By the way, when those asian countries were fighting Japan's invasion,
>>>>where were those taiwanese boys and girls, they were not defending
>>>>"their own country", I am sure some of them are serving their Japanese 
>>>>masters, how did they become so tough in recent years?  
>>>> 
>>>>They don't have the right to say taiwan is a independent country now, 
>>>>it's a piece of land owned by Chinese.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>Ze Yang
>>>
>>>Lets not talk about history in this matter. Or , how can you explain
>>>that taiwan defended China against Japanese invasion in the Sino-Japanese
>>>war but deserted by China . Where were mainland boys and girls when
>>>Taiwanese succesfully stopped Japanese landing on the island. Probably
>>>sucking Opium pipe on the bed then sold their brothers in Taiwan to
>>>Japanese so that they can keep sucking their pipes. The wound Taiwanese
>>>have suffered is painful enough and dosen't need anybody to worsen it.
>> 
>> 
>>I guess you would like the history books to left out General Liu YongFu
>>and his "Black Flag Army", wouldn't you?  You would like people to
>>believe only Taiwanese borns defended the Island against the Japanese,
>>wouldn't you?  Sure a couple of corrupt officials were sucking their
>>pipes all the time, but a lot of people defended Taiwan, among them
>>even a few Qing officials, literally stick out of their neck to stay
>>in Taiwan to fight the Japanese.  You are right, corrupt officials
>>of Qing sold Taiwan, but Chinese didn't, the last time I check the
>>history books it says the chinese people rose to fight for the province
>>side by side, soldiers and civilians, some born on east side of the
>>strait and some born on the west side of the strait, together side
>>by side they spilled blood against the Japanese invaders.
>
>Taiwan was sold however. Liu fled . Only helpless people were left
>behind. Japanese educated their children and drafted them to the 
>Japanese army. Who is gonna to be blamed for this?       

When Liu sailed for the mainland the situation was already hopeless, 
Japan had already captured most of the island, if he chose to stand
and fight to the last man it will not make any difference.  Does that
mean he sold Taiwan?  I don't think so.  Surely he was not Yue Fei or
Joan of Arc, that doesn't mean he and his men sold Taiwan.  Liu YongFu
was no coward, his war record against the French in the 1880s proved
that, among his contempories, he was definitely a patroit.  He fought
the Japanese on his own, without the Qing dynasty's mandate.  He inflicted
heavy loss on the Japanese army on several occasions, many were heart
broken when the cause was finally lost, read some poems composed during
that time.