HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Frontier Strike Update
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:00:32 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

Source:  A CX2 BJ dealer.

The owner of Cx2 sends the strikers food every day.  A whole bunch of casinos
collaborated to provide the strikers with 'something extra' for Christmas.

The Governor of Nevada is pushing some legislation which would force the owner
of the Frontier to capitulate to the demands of the strikers (give them
comparable wages and benefits as other casinos).  It may be over when/if
this legislation is passed.

The dealer did not provide any other details.  She could be wrong.

---Sean

	"Spanked!  Give it up!  Come on, it's mine!"
			-Dealer at Cx2 on a hot streak, while taking the
			 stunned table's money repeatedly.

	"Chick pray!"
			-Small Female Asian dealer, upon seeing
			 a green chip in the circle.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kolt@quads.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo)
Subject: Re: Atlantic City
Summary: Dominoes?
Keywords: pai gow
Reply-To: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:51:35 GMT

Does anyone know if we will ever get Pai Gow dominoes in AC? It seems to be
catching on in LV, even with round eyes like me. It's fun and a fairly good way
to get comps (at least meals). And I particularly liked sitting at the Mirage
betting $25 per hand (my juice was $1) and having the lady next to me bet 
$500 on my hand. _Her_ juice was my bet! I asked her for help on setting each
hand, as I was almost a PG virgin.

I still can't quite figure out someof the hands where you can make two 
reasonable hands. Which do you pick? Anyone play this weird game?

Later,
Matt



-- 
Matt Koltnow   B0 t-- w- c g+ k s+ e r- p   "Why are we here?
Email: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu              Because we're here.
Ntalk: kolt@kimbark.uchicago.edu             Roll the Bones." -- N. Peart
Boycott IP...Go Mag*c!...Hugs to all...Standard Disclaimers Apply........
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hallyb@globbo.enet.dec.com (John Hallyburton)
Subject: New 1993 Gambling withholding rules
Summary: There's good news and bad news
Keywords: taxes
Organization: Twin Peaks Municipal Software Works
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:38:36 GMT


In the "miscellaneous information" department:

A tax newsletter informs me that in 1993 the backup withholding rate is 28%
for gambling winnings of $5000 and more.  There is NO withholding for amounts
under $5000, which is an improvement over times past.
--
						"The Smart Money was on Goliath"
						John Hallyburton 43 55'N 71 45'W
From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Tahoe info?
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:13:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com

In article <1igd54INNln@morrow.stanford.edu> cummins@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mike Cummins) writes:
>I can't find much about Tahoe in the faq or ftp-site.
>
>I'm planning on a 3 day weekend in South Tahoe.  Any
>recommendations on good places to stay with good
>blackjack (I'm a beginner counter)?
>
>I didn't see anything about non-smoking areas
>at Tahoe in that recent thread, so any info on that
>would be much appreciated also.
>
>It sounds like Harrah's in Reno has bad bj rules.
>Does that go for S. Tahoe too?
>
>Thanks for any advice.
>
>Mike


I would recommend Bill's and the casino across the street. I can't
remember the name (High Siera maybe).

Both of these offer non-smoking tables, I know because I smoke.

Good luck

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.gambling,rec.travel
From: carter@ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov (Dave Carter)
Subject: las vegas
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab, Group MST-6
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:56:46 GMT


a couple of years ago, i posted a request for hotel recommendations
near the strip and received a couple of 800 numbers which had very
good rates on various hotels.  i eventually stayed at the stardust, in
the tower - an excellent choice.  i have since lost this info.  could
someone please give me this info?

please e-mail, since i'm sure this is an FAQ (and we expire this group
completely every day.)  i'll summarize, if there's interest.

						- dave
-- 
carter@mr2.mst6.lanl.gov
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Frontier Strike Update
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:08:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: diver.asd.sgi.com

In article <1idsi0INN68t@network.ucsd.edu> erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:
>Source:  A CX2 BJ dealer.
>
>The owner of Cx2 sends the strikers food every day.  A whole bunch of casinos
>collaborated to provide the strikers with 'something extra' for Christmas.
>
>The Governor of Nevada is pushing some legislation which would force the owner
>of the Frontier to capitulate to the demands of the strikers (give them
>comparable wages and benefits as other casinos).  It may be over when/if
>this legislation is passed.

I don't understand all the details, so it leaves me confused.  Why would the
owner of C^2 send the Frontier strikers food?

Regards, Lee
From: slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Fast Action Hold'em
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:56:39 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA


I just got back from Las Vegas for the CES show.  I played a little
Blackjack and Hold'em.  At the Lady Luck we found a new game called
Fast Action Hold'em, which is sort of like a cross between Hold'em and
Blackjack.  You make your bet before any cards are dealt.  Then, every
player and the dealer is dealt four cards.  You pick the two cards that
you want to play and slide them under your bet.  If you really like the
other two cards and want to play them too, you place a matching bet on
them as well.  After everyone sets their hand, the dealer sets his/hers
and then deals out five common cards.  Your hand is compared to the
dealer's, and you can win, tie or push.  Winning hands are charged a 5%
commission which you can place in the spot where the payout is made,
or you can let the dealer subtract from your win.

There are a couple of interesting things about this game.  The cards
are dealt from an 8 deck shoe.  This means that five of a kind is
possible, as well as combination hands like a flush with a pair, flush
with trips, flush with full house, flush with quads, or a flush five of
a kind.  They have a card next to the table giving the ranking of all
of the hands with the new combination hands inserted.  The combination
hands make a suited pair the most valuable hole cards to start with.
The other interesting thing is they pay 5-1 for a "natural", which is
if you are dealt four of a kind.

It is obvious that if there were no commission this would be a win for
the player.  I want to know if anyone is doing a simulation of this
game, and how much of an edge the player has (ignoring commission).
-- 
Stephen H. Landrum                                        VOICE: (415) 813-8909
        Domain: slandrum@ntg.com           UUCP: ...netcomsv!ntg!slandrum
 USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2470 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303
From: cummins@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mike Cummins)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Tahoe info?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:56:04 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gsb-sucre.stanford.edu

I can't find much about Tahoe in the faq or ftp-site.

I'm planning on a 3 day weekend in South Tahoe.  Any
recommendations on good places to stay with good
blackjack (I'm a beginner counter)?

I didn't see anything about non-smoking areas
at Tahoe in that recent thread, so any info on that
would be much appreciated also.

It sounds like Harrah's in Reno has bad bj rules.
Does that go for S. Tahoe too?

Thanks for any advice.

Mike
From: aholdern@zeus.calpoly.edu (Andy "skis" Holderness)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Tahoe info?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:49:36 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <eric.183.0@hup.ucla.edu> eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) writes:
>In article <JACOBS.93Jan7070658@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>>In article <eric.181.0@hup.ucla.edu> eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) 
>writes:>>In article <1igfisINNr12@network.ucsd.edu> erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (
>Sean Erwin) writes:>>>Everyplace in Lake Tahoe is pretty expensive, but all 
>BJ is double down on>>>10 or 11 only.
>>>
>>> All single deck might be 10/11 only but there's plenty of shoes with 
>>> southern nevada rules.
>>
>>That really isn't much consolation... <etc...>
>I implied that shoes were bad for business when I wrote "Tahoe was hard to 
>beat".  But, Tahoe _is_ a whole lot nicer to look at than southern nevada, 
>so if you enjoy playing and you can find a dealer who is cutting off less 
>than 10 or 15% of the deck, I'd say play. 
>________________________
from my experience in south shore the best place to play is the Horizon
(formerly the High Sierra). They tend to play out much of the deck, it
is generally less crowded than the other three and a half, and they dont
get those "miraculous 21's" as much. If your goal is to relax and slurp
drinks, then head to Ceasars pai gow. They have the speediest waitresses
by far. Harveys on the other hand has a policy of ONE drink per hour in
addition to being a pretty shitty place to play. If your looking for the
"college scene" then Harrahs is where you probably want to head. 
have fun and remember the speed limit on hwy 50 is 55 not 35 :)
-andy
whose parents live way too close to Tahoe for his own good


-- 
-Andy
"it was fall of '86. Me and God were watching the series. Two outs in
the 9th a slow grounder was hit to first, when God says to me "you
know, I dont like the Red Sox much."
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Holdem Machines
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:48:28 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

There are some holdem video poker machines at Binion's.  What's the 
deal with them?  I don't remember any specifics, except that
the .25 and $1 machines had the same proportional payoffs.

---Sean Erwin
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: gambling
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:35:47 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <1ipmd4INNls@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.574@pax.tpa.com.au writes:

<*plonk>

>        gamble, gamble, gamble,...is that all that is discussed on this 
>board?  What about real issues like who won the 1952 F.A. Cup?

What were the odds?

>        The Mad Hackette
>g4beaton@student.business.uwo.ca (Gary Beaton)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Just tell me what sort of business you're
going into, so I can join your competitor
and suck your pockets dry.

				--Blair
				  "Jr."
From: hashimoto@sgi.com (Roy Hashimoto)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Re: hold'em trivia
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:24:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sideout.asd.sgi.com

In article <117780002@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> dcc@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Don Cameron) writes:
>: >If you want to make a straight in hold'em, what are the best two cards
>: >to start with?  I was analyzing starting hands and this question came
>: >up because the numbers I was getting ran counter to my intuition.  In
>: >fact, I was pretty sure I had found a bug.
>: >
>: >I thought that the best hand would be something like 87, giving you
>: >plenty of room in both directions to fill the straight.  But 65 and T9
>: >are marginally better, and surprisingly, 54 and JT are better still.
>: >This last result is what astonished me.  I had to work the combinatorics
>: >by hand before I believed it.
>: 
>: This makes sense when you realize that you can't have a straight without
>: having a 5 or a T.  I don't understand, though, why a 65 would be any better
>: than a 54, and JT better than a T9.
>
>I'm probably belaboring the obvious, but using both hole cards, JT is the
>only holding that can flop four different nut straights.
>
>I also fail to see why 54 should be better than 65.

You probably missed my original post, which explained that 54 and JT make
straights more often than any other starting cards.  The reason, however,
is because there is more room to make straights on the board, so this
advantage is pretty meaningless.

It was just an interesting result I came up with, and doesn't have much
of anything to do with playing the game.  Having the nut straight isn't
relevant to the question.  I thought that JT would be worse than T9 because
you can make five straights using at least one card from the T9 (JT only
makes four straights because you can't use only one card), which is why
the actual probabilities surprised me.

Roy Hashimoto
hashimoto@sgi.com
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Turning $96 into $70,000
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:01:09 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <zlsiida.640@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

>In article <1993Jan02.230841.15022@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:

>>In article <1015@rc1.vub.ac.be> rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Roy Dictus) writes:
>>>You would buy a Joker '88 certificate for around $32. On this certi-
>>>ficate are seven names: the name of the person who sold you the certi-

>>  This is an old pyramid con.  It is illegal and enforced pretty
>>  vigorously.  If it's not too late, you'd better turn yourself in
>>  to the proper authorities and hope they let you off if you profess
>>  ignorance.

>In Europe at least, careful wording and passing on a "product" is allowing 
>the operators to run their scam legally.

>>  Even if it were legal, it should only work on morons.  Why would 
>>  anyone ever want to buy one of these lists when they can always
>>  start one themselves?  Just get the names and bank numbers of
>>  your friends and family and put them on a list.  Make a few hundred
>>  copies of the list and sell as many of them to as many suckers as
>>  you can find.
>>  ==

>Yes.

>  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
>  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: 7stud & hold'em pc software via net
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:58:41 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Mark Holtz's 7stud and Hold'em games just (on my feed) arrived in 
comp.binaries.ibm.pc
1) Get all 3 files down onto your PC
2) Edit off the headers and trailers
3) Join the files together
4) uudecode the result
5) zoo -extract everything
6) Enjoy

I've only had the briefest look so far, but they look like jolly good fun.
I may have to use the turbo button to slow my machine down, or maybe I 
should read the help file with the game...

NB. The games are shareware, registration $19.  If I still like them after a 
couple of weeks checkout, I'll send in the dosh.


  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Those changes to the UK soccer pools
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:44:34 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

The changes come in with the coupon for Feb27
this is rather sooner than I expected!
Reminder - the new system is:
3   points for a jackpot draw (1-1)
2.5 points for other score draws (2-2, 3-3, 4-4, etc)
2 points for a no-score draw (0-0) or a void match
1.5 points for a home win or an away win

In addition, all 3 PPA member companies are going to pay an extra dividend:
1st  24   points
2nd  23.5 points
3rd  23   points
4th  22.5 points
5th  22   points
6th  21.5 points (not Zetters)
7th  21   points (not Zetters or Vernons)
Not sure what Brittens are doing - they may not even go over to the new 
system.

Further, Vernons are increasing their basic unit stake from 1/3p to 5/11p.
i.e. 33 lines will now cost 15p instead of 11p.

        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mweiss@mis.mi04.zds.com (Mitchell Weiss)
Subject: Re: Turning $96 into $70,000
Organization: Zenith Data Systems
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:39:49 GMT

In article <1015@rc1.vub.ac.be> rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Roy Dictus) writes:
>This is not a gamble, really.  If you would be interested in turning
>$96 of your money into $68,000 (and not just once but as many times
>as you'd like), drop me a line for details.
>
>The way to do this is a European financial game called Joker '88.
>The way it works, in broad terms, is this:
>
>You would buy a Joker '88 certificate for around $32. On this certi-
>ficate are seven names: the name of the person who sold you the certi-
>ficate (on the seventh position), the name of the person who sold it
>to him/her (on the sixth), and so on.  You would pay, by bank, $32 to
>the person on position 1 (his bank account number is printed there,
>too).  The third $32 goes to the German company who organizes and con-
>trols the system.  In return for your proof of payment to Person #1
>and your $32, they will send you 3 certificates to sell on -- for $32
>each.  So your investment is returned as soon as you are able to sell
>these three certificates.  Your clients will in turn sell 3 each, their
>clients will each sell 3, and so forth.  In the end run, seven genera-
>tions later, 3x3x3x3x3x3x3 = 2,187 people will pay you (since you're
>#1 now) $32 each, for a total of $69,984.
>

I hardly call this gambling.  It is your basic pyramid scam.  And, 
illegal in many states.  Watch out!



Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: Casino Edge for BJ is 7.8% According to Expert
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:53:00 GMT

In article <C0C8nw.DK6@news.udel.edu> jack@freezer.cns.udel.edu writes:

> I asked him what edge did
>he come up with for the casino to which he replied 7.8%!  I asked him
>if he was kidding, that the game gave the house an edge around .5%.

I imagine he is assuming a "hit on 16, stand on 17" strategy, not the
Basic Strategy. But even that strategy isn't even that bad, is it?
From: g.h.shah@larc.nasa.gov (Gautam H. Shah)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: low rolling and/or non-smoking in Vegas?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:52:29 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: g.h.shah@larc.nasa.gov (Gautam H. Shah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: loumac.larc.nasa.gov

During the week before Christmas, Binion's and C^2 did have at least a couple 
of $1 BJ tables.

Also, Silver City is non-smoking.  At C^2, I believe the Skyrise Casino is 
non-smoking, and they also advertise that the *tables* in the West Casino are 
non-smoking (which means someone can stand behind you and smoke, as long as 
they're not playing at the table.

*****************************************
Gautam H. Shah - NASA Langley Research Center
g.h.shah@larc.nasa.gov

-- Barely able to speak for myself, I certainly don't speak for NASA --

"And all this science, I don't understand.........
  It's just my job, five days a week."
                                                        - Elton John, "Rocket Man"
*****************************************
From: g.h.shah@larc.nasa.gov (Gautam H. Shah)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: LV Advisor
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:42:37 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center
Reply-To: g.h.shah@larc.nasa.gov (Gautam H. Shah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: loumac.larc.nasa.gov

I've been reading a lot of references to the Las Vegas Advisor.  Please 
forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is it?  A periodical or some sort of 
special publication?  If so, how would I go about getting it?  Thanks.

*****************************************
Gautam H. Shah - NASA Langley Research Center
g.h.shah@larc.nasa.gov

-- Barely able to speak for myself, I certainly don't speak for NASA --

"And all this science, I don't understand.........
  It's just my job, five days a week."
                                                        - Elton John, "Rocket Man"
*****************************************
From: mannys@thebookstore.Eng.Sun.COM (Manuel 'Manny' Raposa)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: pyramid scheme
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:57:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mannys@thebookstore.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thebookstore


	Turn $96 into $70K right before your very eyes.  After overlooking
the obnoxiousness of this posting, several thoughts occurred to me:

	1.  Didn't this go around in the mid 70s with US savings bonds?

	2.  You have to be either very gullible (aka dumb) or very greedy
		to partake in this nonsense.

	3.  This kind of crap has been around so often for so long in so
		many forms, I can't believe there is anybody left in the
		world who doesn't know it's a scam!

	4.  Somebody always ends up holding the bag on these things.  Do
		you think it is always the same people?  

	5.  I guess P.T. Barnum was right after all.


					Manny
					-Pssst, wanna buy a Rolex?  

---
* Manuel J. Raposa         |  I've been to two zoos,                    *
* manuel.raposa@Eng.Sun.Com|                and a county fair,          * 
* Sun Microsystems, Inc.   |  and I ain't NEVER seen nothing like this! * 
=========================================================================
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: i like to play hold'em
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:45:10 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

but i still don't have a regular game.  there must be somebody reading this 
within reach of MAnchester UK who would like to play a really cheap "I can 
afford to be a learner here" game.
Actually I do get to play once a month, but only a 5 handed game.

Apparently in Sheffield UK there is a very cheap (5sterling buys 200chips)
weekly competition, which I might cross the hills for sometime
Wednesdays they tell me

Since I posted about the software in comp.binaries.ibm.pc I've had 2 people 
say they can't get the group or it's expired......I'll email it to people 
who ask, but in 5 bits not in 3 bits.  Plays Hold'em or 7stud

        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: news about the Rio
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:06:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <73067@cup.portal.com> TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis) writes:
> Has the Rio got anything going for it gambling-wise ? I've never been inside
> the place. Besides the Brazilian style T&A they show in their ads, what's
> the big attraction ? 

	The cocktail waitresses wear really slinky outfits.  Also, though I've
never stayed there, I think they have pretty cool rooms.

	-mfs