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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Lithuania first 2 rounds
Summary: just one draw
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:01:27 GMT

Round 1
Minija Kretinga          0-3 Paneris Vilnius
Jalgiris Vilnius         3-0 Giel. Vilkas Vilnius
Elektronas Taurage       0-3 Sirijus Klaipeda
Ekranes Panevyzis        2-0 Inkaras Kaunas
Banga Kaunas             2-0 Snajge Alytus
Granitas Klaipeda        3-0 Sakalas Siauliai
Lietuvos Makabi Vilnius  0-1 Jovaras Mazeikiai

Round 2
Inkaras                  1-6 Paneris
Snajge                   0-4 Jalgiris
Sirijus                  2-0 Jovaras
Granitas                 0-3 Ekranes
Banga                    2-0 Sakalas
Elektro                  2-1 Minija
GVV                      1-1 LMV

-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: dglow@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Dave Low)
Subject: Re: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:34:03 GMT

>
>Oh well, Dave, I guess you Canadians must have decided that since you're out
>of the Olympics and the World Cup, you don't have to use the same Laws of the
>Game the rest of the world abides by.  (They are in effect for all FIFA member
>federations as of July 25th this year.)  When everybody flames *American* 
>modifications to the Laws, be sure to qualify it as *Great White North America*,
>not the US of A.  Those hosers have had one too many Mooseheads!
>
>ciao,
>Bob 
>
Since the season in most of Canada starts in May-June the CSA (Canadian 
Soccer Assoc.) decided that any new rules adopted by FIFA would not
be inposed on the leagues in Canada until the following year. This is 
so that the leagues all start and finish under the same rules. The only
part of Canada that adopts the new rules is BC, since their season 
starts later than most others and the rule changes have been put in place...

Canada has never been a strong soccer nation, but they are slowly building
on it. I don't think that you should suggest flaming Canadiens for just
using consistancy which is always the hardest thing to find in officiating.
Changing the rules part way through the season is confusing to referees
and players. 

We do play by the same rules, we don't impose them right away. It is nice
having it this way since then we can see some of the problems that arise
in Europe and other parts of the world so we can avoid them. 

					Dave Low
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: coon@convex.com (Rich Coon)
Subject: Re: Another simple laws question
Keywords: free kick
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:11:35 GMT
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Yes, except for place kicks (kick-off and half-time) and penalty kicks, a free kick may be played back.


Rich
From: u1051652@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Italian Supercup
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:01:09 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug31.174904.29013@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Matthew.Lehrer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matthew Lehrer) writes:
> Does anyone have any news on yesterdays Italian Supercup final played
> between Milan and Parma?
> --
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>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

AC Milan   2     Parma 1
Van Basten       Melli (penalty)
Massaro

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Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 15:48:17 CET
From: <PHOLDING@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New FIFA Keeper rule
Distribution: rec

In respose to the question relating to heading the ball back to the 'keeper,
my understanding is that the new FIFA directive is yet to be enforced which
means players may still pass the ball back at least by heading it (cite the
FA Premier League match last night : S'ton Vs MUFC as example of when it
happened several times). I'm not sure of using knees, or other parts of a
player's anatomy ;-) !

Does anyone have any info. relating to when this is to be banned ?

Regards,
Phil. Darmstadt, Germany.
P.S. I've now played 3 competitive games under the 'new rules' and support
them. The emphasis for us midfield players is now to provide more routes where
possible for defenders to release the ball forwards. I think it will have a
side-effect of producing more skillful players having to play in tight
situations. (my 0.02 worth anyway).

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: More Sally and Gerry Stuff
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:54:46 GMT


Just an after thought. I'm sure Ally would love to display his
medal collection to the current Celtic players. They'd be 
astonished at the number and variety of medals a professional
footballer can actually win. Just an after thought...
-- 
Sandy Mackinnon  the Mason in America
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs 92-93 schedule???
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:39:29 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <6459@kielouta.fi> csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:
>In article <2A9BF973.10673@orion.oac.uci.edu> cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.203108.26118@midway.uchicago.edu>, dr@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (David Rubinstein) writes:
>
>>You guys keep reminding me of the good old days of spurs when Ray
>>Clemence, Ardiles, Ricky Villa, Glenn Hoddle, Gary Crooks, Clive Allen,
>>Waddle etc were around at White Hart Lane.
>
>Just curious.......... did these guys win a league, FA, or any other title. I
>always hear "the good old days" but i can't recall any titles.

Well, there were two FA Cups in 1981 and 1982 and a UEFA Cup in 1984. The
"good old days" also refers to the stylish play that was on regular view
when these players were resident at White Hart Lane.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Gary Mabbutt? (was Re: Spurs to sign Sheringham)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:30:52 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Aug31.210259.2357@mr.med.ge.com> juvan@ct90.UUCP (Andy Juvan 5-5060) writes:
>
>Inferred from the weekend's summary that this transfer did indeed go
>through, so hopefully that elusive first win will arrive shortly.
>
>I saw a London Sunday Times with the first weeks results in it and the
>lineups. I am curious as to why Gary Mabbutt's name was not in the
>lineup. Has he lost his place or is he injured? I saw Neil Ruddock was
>the captain and, while I don't know much about him, it seems strange
>for a player with such a bad disciplinary record to be named captain,
>and with a new club too. I thought the captain should inspire the side
>but also keep everyone under control not start, the rush to be booked.

Gary Mabbutt is indeed injured, well he's recovering from a minor operation
to be precise. Hopefully he'll be back in the side within a few weeks.
It does seem a bit odd having Ruddock take on the captains role, but this
must be due to the large number of new players in the team this year. He's
an experienced player and though his disciplinary record is bad I reckon
he's been a bit hard done by with his bookings this season, especially the
sending off against Palace.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC slots
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:34:29 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

WC = World Cup = WORLD CUP !

Note the word world.

For years I have bragged that the World Cup was the *true* world 
championship contest.

The World Series?  come on !  How many *international* teams do you see 
participate?

No country should be deprived of spots, NOR should other countries 
sacrifice theirs.

This is a World event and adjustments should be made to accommodate 
*all* entrants.

The Olympics went from a handful of nations to over 170 nations!

FIFA could and should learn from this example.

We need not argue any further on this topic.  Leave it to say, *all* 
teams should have at least an *equal* *opportunity* to participate.  If 
this is not the case today, then we need to make changes for *tomorrow*.

You have ideas, send them to FIFA !  Your complaints are worthless 
otherwise.  If they're the *old farts* that posters make them out to be 
then we need to voice our opinions OR get new representation, the 
saying "...throw the bums out..." comes to mind.  Don't worry if you 
don't understand this line.  If your following the circus here in the 
states, run by (2) ring leaders (aka. politicians), then you'll 
understand the idea.  :-)

Anyway, I'm all for the idea that all countries should have an opportunity.

Francis.
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Romania- Mexico friendly
Date: 27 Aug 1992 02:12:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Romania defeated Mexico today in Bucharest 2-0 (1-0),  goals
scored  by Varga (m.44) and Ilie Dumitrescu (m.84). Varga also
missed a penalty kick in the 70th minute of play. Teams:
		ROMANIA:
		TENE
VARGA	SANDOI	MIHALY	D.MUNTEANU
I.DUMITRESCU	BUIA	TIMOFTE 	KEREGI
GANE		GERSTENMAYER

		MEXICO
		CAMPOS
RAMIREZ	ESPARZA	AMROSE	HERNANDEZ
ESPINOZA	ESPANA	CEPO DE LA TORRE 	COYOTE
	HERNANDEZ	URIBE
The following also played: Selimesi, Panduru, Ilie Stan,
Hanganu(R)
Peccor, Geria, Mafar(M)
I'm not sure of the Mexican  names spelling.
Interestingly enough,  NONE of the Romanian players is a starter
in the World Cup qualifiers
national team, which is entirely composed of players  under
contract with foreign clubs!
Mexico apparently looked really bad...

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: ray@vulcan.mentec.ie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: TAYLOR: He can't be serious
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:12:24 GMT
Organization: Mentec Computer Systems, Dublin, Ireland


Regarding selecting the best combination of players (defence,midfield etc.)
from the same team to represent the English national team isn't an option
as the best sides are made up of players from Scotland,Ireland & Wales as 
well as from England.
However there are enough good English players around to do a lot better
than their dismal showing in Sweden.The real problem is Graham "excuses,
excuses"Taylor,his sterile,boring tactics and consistently bad team 
selection.His unbelieveable comments following their recent failures make
you wonder if he's been watching the same game as everyone else.The players
are all senior pro's and must lack confidence in "Mr.Bullshitter",except
of course "Donkey Adams" who,rumour has it,couldn't get on the prison 
first XI when a guest of Her Majesty.Dropping Gazza,playing three central
defenders,blaming every other team for playing negative football against
his team....... etc,etc,are all signs of someone who doesn't know who to
play or how to play.

The solution to England's problem would be for the senile occupants of 
Lancaster Gate (English FA) to have some balls and appoint a manager to 
run a football team instead of a PR man who doesn't stir things up.
Nicholas Parsons is probably next on the list.     
                                                                              
(They didn't even answer Jack Charlton's application when he applied
a few years back)
From: v075l6xq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Joseph F Tumino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Italian League: Complete 1992-93 Serie A Fixtures
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:51:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bu0HIC.AHL
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <mgv.715529945@ash.cs.scarolina.edu>, mgv@cs.scarolina.edu (Marco Valtorta) writes...
>To complete Marco Petroni's informative posting,
>here are the starting times of Italian Serie A matches, all Italian time 
>(Central European Time or Central European Daylight Saving Time, as 
>applicable).  Note that CET is UTC+1, or EST+6.  Currently, Italy is on 
>daylight saving time.
> 
>September 6, 1992 (week 1) through September 20, 1992 (week 3): 16:00
>September 27, 1992 (week 4) through October 18, 1992 (week 6): 15:00
>October 25, 1992 (week 7) through February 7, 1993 (week 19): 14:30
>February 14, 1993 (week 20) through March 21, 1993 (week 24): 15:00
>March 28, 1993 (week 25) through May 23, 1993 (week 32): 16:00
>May 30, 1993 (week 33) through June 6, 1993 (week 34): 16:30
> 
>Marco Valtorta, Assistant Professor	usenet: ...!ncrcae!usceast!mgv
>Department of Computer Science	internet: mgv@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu
>University of South Carolina	tel.: (1)(803)777-4641
>Columbia, SC 29208		tlx: 805038 USC
>U.S.A.				fax: (1)(803)777-3767
>usenet from Europe: ...!mcvax!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!usceast!mgv
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From: juvan@ct90.med.ge.com (Andy Juvan 5-5060)
Subject: Gary Mabbutt? (was Re: Spurs to sign Sheringham)
Reply-To: juvan@ct90.UUCP (Andy Juvan 5-5060)
Organization: GE Medical Systems - CT, New Berlin, WI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:02:59 GMT


Inferred from the weekend's summary that this transfer did indeed go
through, so hopefully that elusive first win will arrive shortly.

I saw a London Sunday Times with the first weeks results in it and the
lineups. I am curious as to why Gary Mabbutt's name was not in the
lineup. Has he lost his place or is he injured? I saw Neil Ruddock was
the captain and, while I don't know much about him, it seems strange
for a player with such a bad disciplinary record to be named captain,
and with a new club too. I thought the captain should inspire the side
but also keep everyone under control not start, the rush to be booked.
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Summary: My last post on this subject
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:46:35 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

Ariel Mazzarelli blabs:

>As to discussing history vs. the present,  I'll allow that your understanding
>of the english language isn't good enough to understand the connection between
>the two words.
>
>You're right about me not being a physicist--but the ones I have hung out with 
>around here are a little smarter than you...

OK, I think it is the right time to quit from this discussion.
A discussion which I never really wanted to occur or continue,
just being provoked by a sudden wild flame war started by some
South America fans, after I had expressed *my personal opinion*
that only Brazil and Argentina were strong teams in that region.
An opinion that was neither offensive, nor very close to my heart,
but possibly has hurt the feelings of some guys. Well, I'm sorry.
Maybe I should have never replied, but I couldn't resist just
to point out the obvious inadequity of some of their arguments;
just not to mention their personal attacks ("You ignorant",
"Get yourself a reference book before you make any more comments"-
-everybody who know me would loudly laugh at it).

Somehow I kept envolving myself in this ridiculous discussion,
pointing out, e.g. that neither the fact that Uruguay had won
the World Cup in 1950, nor the fact that Copa America had always
been won by South American teams, nor the fact that... Poland 
did not qualify to WC'90 (!) does not really prove the pretended
superiority of South American teams vs. European ones in 1992.

The latest "arguments" used by my South American opponents were
mispelling my name, objections about my profession ("Are you really
a physicist??"), about my knowledge of English ("not good enough"),
or about my personal features ("others are smarter than you").
Again, I should have never replied to it, but I couldn't resist.

However, now I perfectly realize this was an error.  This is
not my level of discussion and I wish I had never participated
in it (note anyway that I always put a smiley after making a
stupid remark, unlike my South American opponents, who crapped
and pretended absolute seriousness).

I'm quitting.  Ariel, Carlos, and others, take your time
without me.  Find someone else to jump on.  Good luck.
AND DON'T YOU BOTHER TO REPLY.  I WILL IMMEDIATELY PRESS
THE 'n' KEY IF I EVER SEE THIS SUBJECT AGAIN.

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Subject: Re: Hungary:Ukraine friendly.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:53:46 +0000







In message <1992Aug28.125754.1@vcp1.vcp.monash.edu.au> Mik Lipcsey writes:

>G'day,
>A small snippet I found in an Australian newspaper, 'The Australian':

>Hungary- Friendly International.
>       Hungary:Ukraine              2:1

>That's all there was.  Now I have some questions.
>   1.  Anyone has a match report on this match?
>   2.  Is this Ukraine's first international ever (even thought it is a
>       friendly)?

No, they played Hungary at home a couple of months back (May, I think). Hungary
won 3-1. CIS had a friendly that night, Oleg Kusnetsov and Mikhailichenko
turned out for CIS instead of Ukraine. Details of the match were in World
Soccer, I can post them if anyone is interested.

>   3.  Where was this match played?  Budapest, Debrecen, Gyor, ect?

>Note:  the last fortnight Hungary has been going through a heatwave.  I don't
>think temperatures had gone below 30C maximum.

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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: Friendly Finland-Poland
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:57:43 GMT

marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>
>    Can you list the WC94 qualifying group that Poland is in, include
>the results upto the present. Was this a qualifying match?
>

England, The Netherlands, Poland, Norway, Turkey, San Marino.
No qualifying matches played up to now.

>Thanks,
>
>mario s.


-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
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 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: What is happening to Liverpool?
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:07:30 GMT

In <1992Sep2.100034.2957@wg.estec.nl> chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast) writes:
>For whatever reason Liverpool seem to have abandoned the system that served
>them well from Bill Shankly until the latter days of Kenny Dalgleish, namely
>having a squad of players who were hungry to play for Liverpool, buying most
>new players when they were still relatively unknown and putting them in the
>reserves until they learnt to play the Liverpool way. 

This is a myth about Liverpool I have never really believed in. OK, some players
like Terry McDermott, Joey Jones, Ray Kennedy, Craig Johnston, Nigel Spackman
took a while to win a fixed place in the first team. But this wasn't some ingenious 
Liverpool policy of teaching new players the Liverpool way in the reserves for a few 
years, rather these players suffered from inconsistent form during their early Liverpool
careers and as a result spent more time in the reserves than the first team.

For every player who spent a few years in the Liverpool reserves there is 
another one who walked straight into the side; (e.g.) Kenny Dalglish, Graeme
Souness, Mark Lawrenson, John Wark, Steve McMahon, Ray Houghton, John Aldridge, 
Peter Beardsley, John Barnes.

Liverpool's last good side 1987-1990 (Championship in 1988 and 1990, FA Cup 1989)
simply got too old or contained too many 'foreigners'. They have been forced to
replace too many players too quickly and are expected to keep up the standards
they set in the 70's and 80's. Look at the side which drew 1-1 at home with
Southampton on Tuesday. James, Jones, Harkness, Wright, McManaman, Redknapp,
Walters and Thomas have all been introduced to the first team during the last
year or so. It takes time for new players to knit into a team, if they ever manage it
at all. Plus Liverpool have had to spent 8 million pounds on their ground so
Souness doesn't have the kind of resources he enjoyed at Rangers where he seemed
to be able to spend at will.

In my opinion if they sell Saunders they should invest the transfer money
in strengthening their defence, some of the mistakes Liverpool make at the back
these days would be funny if I wasn't a Liverpool supporter. Start off by bringing
someone in to play beside Wright and put Burrows somewhere where his mistakes
won't matter so much.

--

-- 
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