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From: maraist@cs.tulane.edu (John Maraist)
Subject: Re: Picards french lines
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:59:03 GMT
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In article <1hnaruINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>so what does it mean?? (for those of us who dont speak french).
>
>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>> Oni(?) Danson(?)  .... (this is all Picard gets out...)

Sur le pont d'Avignon       On the bridge at Avignon
On y danse, on y danse      There we dance, there we dance
Sur le pont d'Avignon       On the bridge at Avignon
On y danse tous en rond     There we all dence around.

As our French teacher taught us, the kids (or high-schoolers, in our
case :-) singing this would dance around in a circle during the chorus
(that above) and stop for the verses, all of which are something
like "Les belles Madames font comme ca, et puis encore comme ca"
(The pretty ladies go like this, and then again like this)
while performing some type of motion, curtseying in this case.

-John
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From: tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Roger M. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: COC2-- 5 lights?  __SPOILERS__
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:51:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan4.045114.3435
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.


MADRED: How many lights do you see?
PICARD: Four.
MADRED: **ZZAAPP!** No, there are five!
		-- ST:TNG, CoC2


TORTURER: How many fingers am I holding up?
WINSTON SMITH: Four.
TORTURER: **ZZAAPP!** No, I'm holding up five!
		-- _Nineteen Eighty-Four_, by George Orwell
-- 
Roger *M.* Wilcox   (aka Jeff Boeing)
tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu
Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall, aleph null bottles of beer, ...
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From: palmeri@vela.acs.oakland.edu (palmeri)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 11:42:11 GMT

In article <BH8iwB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) writes:
>ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>
>> And now, not at all live, from Ellsworth and River Falls, Wisconsin,
>> it's the Saturday Night Review!!!
>> [...]
>> Script(Dialog and Scenes alone): Average.  Good points were Gul Madred's
>> 	showing-off of Picard to his daugher, bad points were the constant
>> 	and very pointless use and reuse of the "four, five, SIX" lights
>> 	time after time.  As I said before, none of the techniques we saw
>> 	had any science fiction bend to them whatsoever, thus I consider
>> 	them below average for a science fiction series.
>Ever read 1984? 2+2=5. If you can someone to say that he sees something 
>he doesn't then you have him. If Picard had said 5 lights, then Madred
>would have had him.
>
>Dascoser

Picard's agonizing yet proud final insistence that "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!" 
will always come to mind whenever I recall this episode.  That dramatic scene
is equal in impact to Kirk's final words in "City on the Edge of
Forever":   "Let's get the hell out of here".   

This is the stuff that great episodes are made of.
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker being a Jerk...
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:39:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <ewright.725756858@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com
(Edward V. Wright) wrote:
> >The bottom line is there was just no point even considering a rescue 
> >mission given the current situation.  
> 
> The "current situation" changes rapidly in the heat of battle.  The
> Enterprise should have had a rescue plan ready in case the situation
> changed, making it possible/desireable to implement a rescue.  
> 
> 
> >What you have to remember (and anyone who has been in the military can
> >vouch for this) is a commander has to competent, they do not have to
> >be liked.  
> 
> Failing to have a contingency plan is not a sign of competence.

Picard was under the command of the ADMIRAL, not the Captain of the
Enterprise.  Therefore it would be Starfleet's problem, not his.

******************************************************************************
Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
Apple's)
athos@apple.com
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
******************************************************************************
From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Date: 3 Jan 93 05:09:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan02.011338.16546@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchma
n) writes:
>
>However, the word "earth" is also an english synonym for dirt, which has more
>relation to the word "unearthed" than the name of our planet does. Since Picard
>and Madred were speaking english (or whatever it's called in the 24th century)
>it was an entirely appropriate word to use.
>
>
>--
>"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore

Here's an interesting concept: Is the name of our planet any more "Earth" than
our local star is "Sun"? Isn't the actual name of our planet Terra(hence the
word terrain, and a few others), where the name of our sun is Sol. Is it
possible that the word "earth" is as much a generic term as "sun"? Perhaps
other civilizations would call their OWN planets the earth, although they would
have different names.

Special note: I know this doesn't exactly fit the newsgroup, so I apologize.
But I had to respond...
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Re:"Green uniforms" WAS: data watch
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:38:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

w1/fa!VIn article <alix.725689561@pv663c.vincent.iastate.edu>,
alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy) writes:AN!IHQ;'/{W/;P|WQ

=-?;F`Mds, I just read the TV Guide article today and noticed that the person wearing
> the green uniform was the Trill doctor.  Shouldn't she be wearing blue?  Or,
> what's everyone's speculation for THAT particular doctor to wear green.


The Trill character isn't the doctor, I think she's the science officer.
Hang on, let me get my copy of the TV Guide issue....
Yes, she's Jadzia Dax, the Science Officer (yes, that's her title).
The colors on everyone else are the same as they are on TNG, but as you
say in the next paragraph, they are inverted like the Academy's.
I would guess that the inversion means they are ground or base personnel,
perhaps the "marines" of Starfleet in a way.


Steven.K.Manfred
> 
> Another thing...why do all the uniforms resemble the Acadamy's inverted (mostly
> black with colored shoulders) instead of uniforms on the starships (mostly
> colored with black shoulders)?
> 
> -- 
> Leigh Ann Melloy	|    "For honors students, only the best."
> alix@iastate.edu  	|        -Commander William T. Riker
> TAAL5@isuvax.iastate.edu|	  "True Q": Star Trek: The Next Generation
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:29:02 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <105397@bu.edu>, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
> 
> Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:
> 
> Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
> Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
> a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.


I forwarded your comments to a friend of mine and this is what he sent back.
Flames to /dev/null. :) :)

Subject: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners - rec.arts.startrek.current #20977
Status: OR


I really liked Jelico. After all they aren't on the Love Boat for Christ sake.
But I do think that the who commando missions is a load of shit.

The writers didn't justify the need for Picard, Crusher or Worf to go on
that mission,in my view.
I hope they aren't trying to tell me that Capt Stubbing Julie and Gopher
are the most qualified for a commando mission. Boy, Star Fleet
must be in pretty sad shape if these three were best team in the
whole Federation. TNG is really lame with the writing. As I have
alway said "Star Trek TNG by any other name would have been
canceled 5 years ago."

Jelico was great he introduces the conflict into the show that
was lacking. I was really getting sick of the Starship Brady Bunch.

Here's the story
Of a Balding Capt

Who was getting sick of shakespearean plays
He had no ship
and was about to retire
when the Enterprise came.

Heres the Story
of a stiff named Riker.

His acting career 
was going no where
Until the TNG show.

Then the one day the Capt met his first Officer
and they brought together a really lame bunch
Of boring no depth characters

Thats the way they became the TNG Bunch

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:52:43 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1h8f9dINNolb@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:



I generally agree with this favorable review. One thing I want to
emphasize, which others have noted well, is that welcome bennefit of
the new captain: he was a breath of fresh air and excitement. Even
though his acting ability is certainly unpolished, and at times seems
forced, he nonetheless did a fine job. He gave me the bizarre feeling
that he was a real captian playing a part, he reminded me so much of
those dry technocrat military people you saw during the gulf war. 

Although I am an offical Troi-hater, I must admit that she also gave a
fine performance, and I quite like the ending scene.

Picard was, as you say, quite excellent. It just shows what you can
accomplish in Science Fiction when you have real talent. His
performance was truly magnificant, and altogether too real. I am
reminded of the new TV-Guide, which ran a blurb on him saying that
Stewart actually went out and interviewd tortured people, and saw
clips. Picard was very convincing at displaying the humility and loss
of control that few actors can achieve.

I was a little disapointed in Riker. His anger seemed fake. I just
wasn't convinced. His actions in the Shuttle were fairly
anti-climatic, but I supposed there was no other way to resolve the
matter.

Well, that's my 2 cents....
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Why do the humans always negotiate alien-style?
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:34:27 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

After seeing Jelico trying to out-Cardassian the Cardassian in "Chain
of Command - Part 1", it made me realize - the Feds in ST always study
up on the alien customs and conform to them, to the extent, as in this
case, of using this knowledge against the aliens, and the aliens always
behave just as expected.  Why is it never the reverse?  Why are the
aliens always so predictable and it's always the Feds who display
"flexible thinking"?

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
dwrsun4!perl@murphy.com -or- philabs!dwrsun4!perl

"We don't believe the software industry is ripping off the customer."
	-- Ken Wasch, executive director of the Software Publishers Association
From: saverio@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Saverio Mercurio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A must to see (hear)
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:06:56 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <1992Dec20.111954.9709@ac.dal.ca> petrel@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <halabe.724743334@andersen>, halabe@andersen.uucp (Dan Halabe) writes:
>> x92paszek@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> 
>>>Now, how is it, that the Enterprise houses over 1000, and not once have we seen
>>>a toilet?
>> 
>>>Picture this:
>>>Camera pulls away from an unmarked door.  As the camera stops when the full
>>>door is shown, you hear a futuristic-sounding flush.   Seconds later, Captain
>>>Peckard (sp?) comes out, fixing his uniform as he so often does. He looks
>>>around, and begins walking away.
>
>Before the futuristic flush, shouldn't we first hear (somewhat tense) Captain's
>voice:  ``  ENGAGE ! ''.
>
>>>Maybe at that point Data passes the captain, says "excuse me', and walks in the
>>>bathroom himself.  A perplexed captain goes to the bridge.
>> 
>>>I think this kind of everyday life and comedy is lacking from TNG.   I want a
>>>toilet scene, and I want it now.
>> 

Interestingly enough, in the Star Trek edition of After Dark, one of the
modules is called "Scotty's Files", which displays schematics of various
parts of the old Enterprise, as well as equipment.  One of these schematics is
a view of the bridge, and there IS a toilet marked and labeled as such.  It's
located just to the right of the main viewscreen.  Right there, where the
Captain can always see it, so he knows who's taking their sweet time in 
there...

	-Saverio
From: TSAKETO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: RIKER: And another thing...(SPOILER COC II)
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:51:48 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.


 
 
Possible Spoilers:
 
Some extra Lines
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In article <athos-241292001347@kip2-14.apple.com>
athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
 
>
 
>And another point:
>
>* When the Cardassians said "We have knowledge that 3 people were sent to
>infiltrate our..blah...blah...blah...We have captured Picard."  Riker
>blurts out "Is he alive?"
>
>What kind of STUPID person (let alone a Lt. Commander) would do this?  For
>one thing, THEY COULD BE BLUFFING.  If they WERE bluffing, Riker would have
>just confirmed what they wanted to know.
>
 
So much, about Riker's poker ability....... :)
 
 
 
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE NINE
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:30:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.194747.19017@src.dec.com> srcguard@src.dec.com (Lytton (SRC) Guard) writes:
>
>	I'm suprised no comments about it.

Me too.  Was there some kind of decision to keep comments in another
newgroup that I'm not aware of?

Also, does anyone have any information regarding script submissions,
writers'/technical guides availability?

Thanks in advance.  E-mail better than posting, unless people feel
otherwise.

GMS
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ATT_BTL
IHP 1F-420
263 Shuman Blvd.
Naperville, IL  60566
From: sichermn@csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Piccard's butt - Chain of Command II - SPOILERS
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:56:54 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <BznyxJ.FEK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu> writes:
>Ok. It was a fine episode. Everybody got to hate Ronnie Cox. Piccard was
>tortured with care yet never broke; in fact he analyzed his captor and
>returned the mental attack. That WAS the point, wasn't it?
>
>So what was gained by making poor ol' Pat appear in the buff? C'mon Trek
>fans, we're smarter than that. Do we need sensationalism to make a point? 
>
>And I don't want to hear "well it wouldn't have been a realistic torture
>if they hadn't stripped him." Yeah right. Like they'd given him the
>terrycloth bath robe to cover up with as seen in the full body scenes.
>
>Paramount could have done the "stripped" scenes waist up and still had
>the same effect.
>
>Face it. Taste and respect for our intellegence just took back seat to
>trashy sensationalism.
>
>I'm dissappointed.

  It could get even worse. Now that Stewarts had his chance, the other
stars may insist that their asses get equal billing.

  Frankly, I'm not looking forward to Riker's.


-- 
Jeff Sicherman
up the net without a .sig
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 05:30:10 GMT

Taki Kogoma (kogoma@triton.unm.edu ) writes:
> In article <1992Dec23.183526.8439@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
> >Could we *suggest* (in a pushy way) that the DSN queries go
> >into the rec.arts.startrek newsgroup for now, then change the
> >charter/make a new group if the DSN traffic warrants it? That
> >would take some of the pressure off of this group...
> 
> rec.arts.startrek?  That group doesn't exist.
 
That's strange. I just finished reading articles on
rec.arts.startrek. Is there something strange going on? (Im
very confused about this!). Can anyone explain this to me?
---
Lee Smallwood	msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu	Tazewell HS
I got me a pocket full of kryptonite...
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From: aar@engr.uark.edu (Albert A. Ruth)
Subject: Has anyone heard of Space Rangers
Summary: Has anyone heard of Space Rangers
Keywords: Space Rangers
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:31:12 GMT

Has anyone heard of the new CBS series Space Rangers? I saw a small clip about
it yesterday and it is supposed to debut in January but I don't know the date.
Any comments and information would be appreciated.




                                                 aar@engr.uark.edu

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Last chance for the Troi vote!
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:41:57 GMT


Hey guys! Thanks for the responses with the Troi uniform vote. 

To date (tuesday afternoon) I've recieved 61 votes (I expected maybe
40-50 total!). I'll post the results Wednesday after 5:00, so any 
received before then will be included. 

I will also post a FINAL results next week wednesday so, if you havn't
voted yet, get to it!

	And, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's the RULES!

	Mail to cboerm48@calvin.edu
	Subject: Tori's Uniform

	Yes means: Yes I like the Uniform (as seen in CoC) and really wish
she'd keep it.

	No means: No, I want more pjs, after all, she wouldn't want to 
indimidate the aliens that see her when she's on the bridge and
BTW, I want to see more breasts and stuff...

	(Aww, darn, did I give my vote away?)

		Thanks and see ya soon! (NOT)

		CtB

--
Oh, I hate tryin' to be witty in these things!	   |
So I'm even going to try. And if you don't like it,|
Tough! 	(Thank you had have a nice day)	         |    cboerm48@calvin.edu
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Dec27.191950.523@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <rawdon.725487214@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>> Yeah, but so what?  Science fiction is just a backdrop, not (except in a few
>> stories, very few of which are any good at all) the raison d'etre for the
>> show.  If a show must take its backdrop and make it an integral part of the
>> story in order to be successful, then I give "Romeo And Juliet" and
>> _Moby_Dick_, both grades of F.

>Torture is such a rich subject for a writer to sink her/his//his/her teeth
>into ESPECIALLY when one is writing for a science fiction series and
>therefore free to create a lot of new and dangerous methods tied to science
>fiction, that I just feel this to be an opportunity wasted far, far too well,
>like the Packer loss today after L.A. handed them the playoffs on a plate.

Well, I've long considered watching football to be a waste of several hours'
time (even reading netnews is more productive), so I guess I see what you
mean. :-)

But seriously, if I wanted innovative science fiction from Star Trek, I'd be
even less impressed with TNG than I am.  I wonder if there are ANY SF or
fantasy ideas in either series, or any of the movies, which hadn't appeared
elsewhere (speficially, in SF literature) before they appeared in Star Trek?

>I wanted so much more from this episode than what I got.  I wanted some
>really juicy science fiction twists to the torture, and we got twentieth
>century techniques instead.

I wanted more, too, but what I wanted was satisfying character development
and/or resolution.  But we didn't get that either...

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"
From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of we
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:59:57 GMT

scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:

>Have you considered the possibility that, while you personally may be
>titillated by Troi's typical wardrobe, the crew of the Enterprise isn't?
>Times change.  I may be wrong, but I'd guess that they're used to seeing
>things much more provocative than that in the 24th century.  You seem to
>be implying that Troi dresses the way she does in order to "promote" her
>sexuality.  A more sensible explanation is that she dresses so because
>what she wears is considered acceptable - perhaps even ordinary - leisure
>apparel in TNG's time.

	Possibly, but it isn't appropriate atire for 20th century leasuire wear.
It makes her look semi-slutty and makes it seem the only reason she's on
the show it to attract horny men. With a uniform on, she looks much more
an officer, and looks as if she belongs on the show.

	I think the uniform is a BIG improvement.

			CtB
--
Oh, I hate tryin' to be witty in these things!	   |
So I'm even going to try. And if you don't like it,|
Tough! 	(Thank you had have a nice day)	         |    cboerm48@calvin.edu
																   |
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:23:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec21.192309.25603@mksol.dseg.ti.com> rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com writes:

>Well, I guess that future is happening in a parallel time line from
>the time line we view as reality.  In Kahn's time line, inflation runs
>rampant, people start shooting each other in the streets, world powers
>collapse and form new governmental bodies, hunger, starvation and
>disease abound and the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.  
>In our reality....

So, like I said, how much longer until the wars start?
;-)

-- 
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Georgia Institute of Technology  |  the years to come, in your most private
Office of Information Technology |  moments...my hand at your throat.  I want
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."
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