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From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Re: Skiing in Arizona
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:42:44 GMT
Reply-To: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com
X-Posted-From: aspen.hwcae.az.honeywell.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


In Flagstaff:    10-20 minutes north of town is "Snowbowl"
Vertical drop:   2,300 feet 4 lifts  (only one if you are an intermediate or above)
Lift Ticks:      $29/day

Avoid this place like the plague on weekends and or holidays.
Weekdays are usually great though.  Best eats in town are Apline
Pizza, Bun Huggers and El Charo. (pizza, burgers and mex respectively)

Also on the way from Flagstaff to the South Rim of the Grand Canyon is
the Flagstaff Nordic Center (XC skiing)


Near Pinetop/Lakeside: Apache Sunrise (4.5 hours from Phoenix and probably 2.5 hours away from Flagstaff?)

This is the best skiing area in AZ.  Located in Eastern AZ the
vertical drop is aroun 1800' or so.  Lift ticks are aroun $27 and
there are 8 lifts.  They also added a new lodge this year.


There are a couple of other areas in AZ Mt Lemmon (near Tucson) and
also the Williams Ski area (near Williams)  but the two above are your
best bets.



--
            tim schneider

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: University of Utah
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:07:59

In article <1992Dec21.035423.4667@wam.umd.edu> bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:

[stuff deleted]

   But on bumps, it's very
   hard.  I can't always skid-stop because of the bumps, and snowplowing
   usually doesn't work at the higher speeds (at least I can't get it to work).
   What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
   start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
   looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
   bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.

If the bumps are coming at you too quickly, find a bump run that isn't
quite so steep.  If a run is simply out of your league, you have no
hope of skiing it gracefully.  When totally outclassed by a bump run,
people tend to slide down the downhill faces of the bumps with their
skis sideways.  Good skiers rightfully cringe when they see such
people hacking up a field of beautifully carved bumps.

I would advise you against spending too much time worrying about
methods of controlling your speed.  In my opinion, the phrase
"controlling your speed" is really a euphemism for fighting the
mountain.  Good skiers fight the mountain as little as possible by
skiing at the natural speed of the slope.  Thus, they tend to ski
steeper runs at higher speeds, regardless of the presence of
obstacles.  Their eyes can pick a route on the fly, and their bodies
can respond quickly because they aren't wasting effort "controlling
their speed."  Of course, this philosophy presupposes that people have
the sense to stay on slopes that they can handle.

Having said all that, here's some practical advice: When I start to
ride the ragged edge in a bump run, I often pick the nearest soft
looking bump, and hit the top with my skis almost sideways, and a firm
pressure centered on my feet.  Blasting the bump flat helps me dust
off a little speed.  It is better if you don't try to use this
technique to stop all at once; just use it to slow down enough to
recover and pick your route.  This is NOT a good skiing technique, but
a desperation measure in case you make a mistake.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: Drew.Moor@f15.n243.z1.fidonet.org (Drew Moor)
Sender: fredmail@helldisk.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Mt. Ste. Marie
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:57:00 -0500

Hi gang,
  
For any of the local skiers in Eastern Ontario, Western Quebec that 
are fans of Mt. Ste. Marie, I have today's conditions and the ski 
forcast for tomorrow.
  
COTE VANIER - OPEN
  
Serenade:  Open, Loose snow top 1/3, icy patches mid 1/3, bottom 
hard ice.
  
Bellevue: Open, Loose snow/hard-pack top 1/2, hardpack/ice bottom 1/2
  
Chanson: Open, ends with either Radar Road (with plenty of rocks), 
or Crescendo (Black Diamond, ice-covered)
  
Crescendo: Open, hard pack top 1/3, middle 1/3 ice, bottom 1/3 hard 
pack/ice
  
Radar Road: Open (Vanier side ONLY), nicknamed "Rocky Road"
  
  
COTE CHEVAL BLANC - OPEN
  
Carrousel: Open, top 1/4 hard-pack, Hard-pack/ice (centre) heavy 
snow (edges) second 1/4, hard/pack/heavy snow bottom 1/2
  
  
COTE POMA - OPEN
  
Poma: Open, hard/pack
  
 
ALL OTHER TRAILS CLOSED
  
  
ATTENTION:  The cross between Cote Vanier and Cote Cheval Blanc 
REQUIRES THAT YOU SKATE BETWEEN THE HILLS, THE POMA LIFT HAS BEEN 
REMOVED.  GOOD WORKOUT, BUT NOT MUCH FUN.
 
FORECAST:  Mild again tomorrow (Wednesday), with a light dusting of 
snow, all trails on the Vanier Side will be open at the beginning of 
the day, possibility of Formidable opening on the Cheval Blanc side, 
giving two trails open that side.  Thursday, cold, high of minus 15, 
dropping during the day, possibility for all trails Cheval Blanc 
side being opened if conditions favour snow-making over next couple 
days.
  
TRAIL RATINGS: Green = Easy; Blue = Moderate; Black = Tough
  
Serenade: Blue
Bellevue: Blue
Chanson:  Green
Radar Road: Green
Crescendo:Black
Carrousel:Blue
Poma:     Green
  
ALMOST 100% OF SNOW AT THE CENTRE IS MAN-MADE/GROOMED.

 * Origin: Drewski's.. 1 (613) 234-2473  1:243/15 (1:243/15)
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Vail crowds on Christmas Eve
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:10:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec22.064352.28300@colorado.edu> rodrigul@ibg.colorado.edu (Larry Rodriguez) writes:
>Could someone that has been to Vail on Christmas Eve, give me an
>indication of how crowded it was?  Were the lift lines long?
>
>I have these coupons for a $30 lift ticket, but they have to be used
>by December 25, 1992.  So, I'm thinking of going there on Christmas
>Eve, in anticipation that the heavy crowds won't arrive until after
>Christmas Day.
>

If Vail was expecting big crowds that day, then they wouldn't be giving away
discount coupons.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rpd@accolade.base.bellcore.com (25853-deramos)
Subject: Re: White Face
Reply-To: rpd@accolade.base.bellcore.com (25853-deramos)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:04:46 GMT

In article <Dec.30.15.05.25.1992.26288@remus.rutgers.edu>, klkarp@remus.rutgers.edu (karen) writes:
|> I went to Lk. Placid last year for a few days and I had a great time!
|> I went at the end of March and we had fresh snow almost everyday,
|> though, like everyone else has said so far, it was really cold.

ditto

|> 
|> You should also check out the bobsled and luge which is right near
|> Lake Placid.  I don't know anywhere else you get the chance to try
|> these for yourself. 

The bobsled run was great.  There's a fee to get on...just can't remember
how much.  I went two years ago around February and at that time they had
the freestyle tour (Moguls and aerials were the best to watch)


ralden
rpd@accolade.cc.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chrisf@brtph316.bnr.ca (Chris Fulmer)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Reply-To: woodstock!chris@mcnc.org
Organization: BNR Dept 3B91, RTP
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.035423.4667@wam.umd.edu>, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak
Gohari) writes:
[...]
|> What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
|> start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
|> looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
|> bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.

Yeah.  Fall down.

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but unless you're to the point that
you can handle mogul-fields well, it's probably your best bet.  Make
sure that you fall up-hill and not down-hill.  Since you'll probably
just be falling into the steep side of a mogul, it's fairly easy to
get back up.

You're gonna loose momentum no matter how you stop (unless you fall
downhill), so you just gotta find a better way to get rid of it.  What
you want to do is hit the top of a mogul sideways, as you lean into the
hill.  As you hit, let your chin hit your knees, and you've lost a lot
of momentum.

------------------------------------------------------
Chris Fulmer                    Bell-Northern Research
Sr. Software Designer            Research Triangle, NC
mail to woodstock!chris@mcnc.org (preferable) or...
        chrisf@bnr.ca            (not so preferable)
Oh yeah.  The usual disclaimers apply here.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:00:58 EST
From: <TDS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject:    Skiing Seven Springs, PA?

On 12/26 my wife and I plan to ski Seven Springs, PA.  As far as Seven Springs
goes how are the conditions there now?  How will they be 12/26?  Lift ticket pr
ices?  Any other helpful advice?

Thanks in advance!

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Subject: For sale: Blackcomb 1-Day Discount Pass $CAN30 or $US24 
Summary: Valid midweek after 1/4/93
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:22:26 GMT

I just returned from my pre-Christmas trip to Blackcomb.  We bought one too
many of the discount tickets you get at Save-on-Foods.  Are there any
Vancouver residents out there who would like to take this off my hands?
Paid $35 Canadian, will take $30 Canadian or $24 US, or make an offer.
This ticket is valid midweek after January 4, 1993 up to March 12, 1993.

Of course, I'm not supposed to resell it.  

Hal
brunette@netcom.com
From: jca@druwa.ATT.COM (Jill C. Arnson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:39:25 GMT

in article <C014vo.K8r@boulder.parcplace.com>, gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber) says:
> 
> In article <1992Dec28.205931.6636@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.172502.27284@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:

>>>scratched.  Thieves generally prefer new looking skis because they can sell
> 

> your skis far apart on different racks.  This will help prevent (a)

	You also want to make sure that both of you have different bindings on
your skis!  Otherwise, it might still get taken.  It has happened.






--
jill c. arnson		AT&T Bell Labs, Denver
jca@druwa.att.com
*** "When you climb high, remember that the beauty you see is only an
illusion created by G-d to keep your sanity."
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: javeaz@cajun
Subject: Ski Rentals - Summit County
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:17:07 GMT

Anyone have any suggestions of a rental shop
in Summit County, CO where one can rent a pair of
Rossi 4S or 4CS's in reasonably good condition
for a "reasonable" price?  I'm fairly familiar
with Frisco, Dillon, Silverthorne and all of
the ski areas so any suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thanks.




Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:00:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.172502.27284@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>In article <Bzrsy3.G8n@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>>
>>I'm thinking of putting that 'Ski Saver' protective
>>tape stuff on our boards before we use them, to
>>keep that pretty (and functionless) topskin lookin'
>>good. Has anyone tried this stuff ? Does it work ?
>>Can it be removed later (like if it gets all ripped
>>and mangled ?) Will the lack of gouges, scratches
>>and chunks make lift companions lose respect for
>>me ?
>
>Personally, I'm nervous about new skis until the topskins get gouged and
>scratched.  Thieves generally prefer new looking skis because they can sell
>them more easily.  Once my new skis no longer look new, I can rest easy
>since they no longer are an attractive target.
>
>Leo Dagum

Reminds me of a story told me over the Christmas break by a family friend.
He has a friend that buys top of the line skis.  Then, first thing, before
mounting the bindings, he hauls out an old can of ugly brown paint and a
brush, and completely paints the ski tops this putrid color, disfiguring
them for life, but of course not affecting the performance at all.  Then
he never worries about ski thieves.

Or so the story goes...

Hal

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gill@nlm.nih.gov (Mike Gill)
Subject: Yosemite Ski Conditions
Reply-To: gill@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:44:06 GMT


If anyone knows the ski conditions or how to get these conditions
over the Internet please e-mail me at:

	gill@nlm.nih.gov
	
Thanks, 

Mike Gill
National LIbrary of Medicine
Bethesda, MD


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: colson@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Colson)
Subject: xc heel positioner question
Keywords: xc heel positioner
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:03:59 GMT

Reading this weekend an early 80's book on mountain/backcountry skiing where quite
a thing was made about a "heel indexing plate" which provided exceptional control
on xc skis. a variety of such products were said to be on the market any of which
worked well.  Basically a pin attached (protruding) from the rear of the heel that
indexed itself into a small vertical "V" plate.  Seems to be an ingenious idea...
...how come I've never seen or heard of such a thing (in my brief 2 year interest in
xc skiing)?  

Can anyone out there enlighten me on this.  

Also on a post that was made a few weeks back concerning xc bindings for utilizing 
hiking boots on skis?  I haven't seen any response as to the availability of such
a binding for back country skiing.  Seems like an entirely possible adaption 
however.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to pass on whatever you might know.     

Gary
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Salomon 9000 S3, K2 Extreme, K2 CV Comp LONG!
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:59:14 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

Greetings yet again!

After I wrote the review I went out and bought a pair of Salomon 3S.
Got 'em cheap too. Now I can't wait for the next trip mountain-wards!

cheers


--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"Another casualty of applied meta-physics!" -- Hobbes
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: N. Tahoe Conditions 1/1/93
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 05:55:42 GMT

Date: 1/1/93, 7 PM
Location N shore Lake Tahoe, Alpine Meadows
Elevation of observation: 6800 ft.
Winds: W 10-40 MPH
Snow level: 3,500 ft.
Snow depth: 90-100 inches 1-2 ft. new
Snow density: 0.2
Weather: stormy, blowing and falling snow
Temps: Hi 34F , Lo upper teens
Avalanche hazard: extreme
Avalanches have blocked numerous side roads.
X-C waxes: blue stick.
Chains: required, R3 conditions briefly on 267.
Lift lines: None
Parking lots: far from filling.
Road conditions: I80 closed, 89 closed due to avalanche, 
Ancillary comment: heavier, wetter snow.  Must watch the lower, colder,
drier layers.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: frank@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:22:36 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division


In article <djm.724895479@phobos>, djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills) writes:

Stuff deleted...
> 
> Wrong there are many non-carved turns that are not windscreen wiper turns.
> The word christie (german for skidded turn) covers one such family of turns
> (i.e. stem-christie, parallel-christie etc).  Turns where a bump is used to

Stuff deleted... 

> David.

Wrong!  I'm no historian, but I think that the term comes from the
Norwegian town where they were first practiced.  The german attribution
is totally false.
-- 

         DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine
            solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
       F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: "R.L. Magidson" <wk01682@worldlink.com>
Subject: NordicSport Downhill 5130
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:43:31 GMT
X-Mailer: WORLDLink (3.11)

I recently received the brochure and video on NordicSport's new (?) ski 
trainer, the NordicSport World Class Downhill #5130.

This super-looking machine provides side-to-side motion, simulating (or 
so they say) varied downhill terrain. This is as opposed to the cross- 
country exercisers which work you front-to-back, etc.

The only downside I can see is price...$700!

Is anyone aware of a competing product, or a location to purchase this 
machine for less $$?

Thanks - 

  - Russell L. :-)


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 16:00:36 GMT

In article <Bzrsy3.G8n@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of putting that 'Ski Saver' protective
>tape stuff on our boards before we use them, to
>keep that pretty (and functionless) topskin lookin'
>good. Has anyone tried this stuff ? Does it work ?
>Can it be removed later (like if it gets all ripped
>and mangled ?) Will the lack of gouges, scratches
>and chunks make lift companions lose respect for
>me ?

Yes and No. Yes it works, no people probably won't lose
respect for you, just probably be kind of jealous that
their skis don't look quite as good as yours.

It won't protect you from everything, but I definitely
recommend it for skis out here in the east where the dork
factor can be quite high. I put it on my skis last year
after a semi-unhappy trip to Roundtop. Brand new skis,
first time out on them EVER and a dork clips my tail,
sending both of us spinning, but also leaving me with a
nice slice on my brand new K2s to commemorate the event.
GRRrrrrrrrrrrrr.....didn't anybody ever tell this guy you
set an edge on the snow and not on somebody else's ski's?

Anyways, for the $15 I paid for it, I'd say it was worth it.
They(the skisaver skins) are looking kind of ratty now
after 1.25 seasons, but at least those scrapes and gouges
aren't on my skis...



 wILL i BE POSSESED BY an overwhelming need to
>buy Bogner suits and a condo at Deer Valley ?

Ummm....no, probably not. I have not found this to be a
side effect, although I was kind of eyeing this really cool Spyder
parka a few days ago...danger Will Robinson..

---Steve
-- 
---------
sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:08:01 GMT

Well, as the person who started this thread, let me follow up...

1) Thanks to all those who responded.  I didn't expect the wealth of responses
I got, but I am glad I got them.

2) I've had a chance to try some of the techniques described on the net during
my couple ski days this season so far.  Even though a lot of the techniques
were useful, the biggest thing I think was the "psychological factor" that a
lot of people mentioned in one way or another.  I used to ski bumps "as a
harder run, because it has bumps".  But when I tried to think of it as "just
another run with different obstacles", my technique at least seemed to improve.
I was no longer tense and afraid of the bumps.  I used my techniques to find
a path between the moguls, and carve between them.  Once my confidence grew,
I actually hit a couple bumps here and there for some air time (no fancy
tricks or anything, just small jumps).  Granted I have a long way to go, and
instruction is still necessary, but the advice *I* can give is just to go
with the flow.  You'd be surprised...I was.

-Bob
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:21:59 GMT
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation

In article <9212291554.AA15363@ejvdev4> pwagner@ejv.com (Peter Wagner) writes:
>I ski the bumps okay, but never get enough ski days in to really
>master them (I ski only about 7 days/season, but I've been skiing for
>over 25 years, since I was 3).  I often feel like I'm really fighting
>when I'm skiing serious bumps.  I *definitely* should take a lesson,
>as I'm never quite sure what the proper technique is.  Could some bump
>master explain where and how you want to make your turns in the bumps?
>Thanks!
>
>	>p

Well, I could, (and I'm sure lots of people will) but it would be like
telling you to drive the Indy 500 by making 4 lefts on each lap.  It is much
more important to be able to make the right kind of turn first, than to
worry about picking the best line.  I couldn't really tell you what to
work on without seeing how you ski.  That is the biggest advantage of 
lessons -- your instructor may not be the greatest skier in the world, but
at least he will be out there looking at you.

I'm a firm believer in the principle that if you can make good short-radius
turns on a groomed intermediate run, then you can learn to ski just about
anything else with a little practice.  The flipside of that is that if you
can't make a good turn on a groomed run, then no amount of hurling your
body down a steep bump run will make you an expert skier.  Of course that's
a gross generalization, but I think it's wrong to think about bump skiing
as being inherently different.  It just exposes the flaws that are already
in your technique that you usually get away with.

As a final note, I think that a very important factor in being able to
ski comfortably in bumps is the ability to make a turn anywhere on the
hill.  If you are relying too heavily on using the bumps to help you turn,
then you will lose your balance every time the rhythm changes.

-- 
John Gunn, Ph.D                    |  "A casual stroll through the lunatic
Columbia University, New York, NY  |  asylum shows that faith doesn't
Center for Biomolecular Simulation |  prove anything."
and Head Coach, Ski Team           |     - Friedrich Neitzsche