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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Some trivial questions
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:08:41 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <memo.883501@cix.compulink.co.uk>, rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray Communications) writes:
> 
> For a while I thought The Abominable Snowmen was the most 
> male-dominated Dr Who story ever (only Victoria), then I remembered 
> the Deadly Assassin (no women at all). 

There was a female computer voice in that story, but I suppose that doesn't
really count..

Are there any other male 
> dominated stories / episodes and are there any women dominated ones 
> (Galaxy 4 and The Happiness Patrol perhaps ?)

Well, you could go on for hours naming the male-dominated ones, but there
have been a few female-dominated ones.  You mention two, and others that
come to mind are "The Brain of Morbius" (the Sisterhood) and "Attack of
the Cybermen" (the Cyrons).  

> Richard

Steven.K.Manfred
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Companions (Part 1/3) was Re: Companions list
Date: 20 Jan 93 17:24:05 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1jj3v2INN64v@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan18.193211.645@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>> Sara Kingdom - played by Jean Marsh.
>>> 	First appearance:  Episode 4, The Dalek Masterplan  4 Dec. 1965 (1)
>>First appearance was in Episode 5.
> 
> Can't be!
> 
> Episode 5 begins with her giving the order for the Doctor and Steven
> to be killed, and she already has killed Bret Vyon.  Obviously, she
> appeared in episode 4.
> 
> --
> Email replies must be sent to keeper@deeptht.armory.com
> 

OK, accepted.  This was the hazy bit for me, but everything I've
read and seen said that Katarina died at the end of episode 4, and I
also seem to remember Sara not coming into the story until Katarina
was already dead.  So how did it really happen?  Both people, I mean,

Steven.K.Manfred

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From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: TimeTrax
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:08:11 GMT


Not that this really has much to do with the good doctor, but....

On Saturday night after Dr. Who, WOSU showed this new TV show - 2 hr debut - 
that was so HORRIBLE!!!!

I just have to get it out of my system!

There were so many incongruities in their time travel stuff, that it just made 
you puke!

I can't believe that I stayed up till 1:30 a.m. to see this. At least I can 
safely say that like Deep Space Nine, I stuck it out, and I hated every minute 
of it! It was actually WORSE than Deep Space Nine AND ST:TNG all roled into one
big hairy ball!

If there is anyone else out in OSU land that would like to comiserate about
this......

Elena
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Subject: Re: Romana 'N' Dave stories
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:17:06 GMT

stephane.boyer@p35.f290.n167.z1.hexacom.UUCP (stephane boyer) writes:

>    does anyone know how to get all the Romana and Dave parodies???
>i Don't have FTP access...

I also am looking for one of the Romana 'n Dave stories - "Bonanza of
Romanas" (I think that this was the first story after the Trial of a
Talk Show Host). If anyone could send me a copy or let me know where
I could find one (FTP is ok for me), please let me know. Thanks,

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu

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From: sawelch@ravel.udel.edu (Susan Ann Welch)
Subject: more shada
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:03:46 GMT


In Shada the doctor calls Chris Parsons another name, Bristol (sp?)
several times, once in the space stations with the old scientists and
several times on the ship.  Anybody know why?

I spotted another blooper for you.  In the Horns of Nimom when the Nimon
kills the copilot he falls over and the back of his pants split.

the future dr pseu
 
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Companions
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:32:43 GMT

In <1993Jan21.120947.1968@mfltd.co.uk> nmp@mfltd.co.uk (Nic Percival (x5336)) writes:

>		Liz Shaw was the first and only companion never to
>>	have traveled in the TARDIS.  She was UNIT's scientific
>>	advisor when the Doctor was found after regenerating.  She
>>	left UNIT to continue her academic career.

>I beg to differ. I read one of the Dr Who books called the Doomsday Weapon.
>I'm almost certain Liz Shaw was his companion in this.
>Or was it Jo Grant?

It was Jo.

Daniel.
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From: JJSGC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Buying Dr. Who Videos in New York City
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:08:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.93025.100854JJSGC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

This is for DOCTOR8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu and any other Whovian in New York City.

I live in Jamaica, New York(Borough of Queens) and I, too, am disgusted
at the lack of Dr. Who on New York television.  Being a computer science
student and having a database on my PC at home; I have kept track of all
the stories and episodes of Dr. Who including which stories have been
released in the UK and in the USA.  The stories released in the USA
are from the First Doctor - An Unearthly Child; from the Second Doctor -
The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Seeds of Death, and The War Games; from
the Third Doctor - Spearhead from Space, Day of the Daleks, The Three
Doctors, The Time Warrior, Death to the Daleks; from the Fourth Doctor -
The Ark in Space, Revenge of the Cybermen, Terror of the Zygons,
Pyramids of Mars, The Brain of Morbius, The Deadly Assassin, The Robots of
Death, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, and Shada; from the Fifth Doctor -
The Five Doctors and The Caves of Androzani; and from the Seventh Doctor
- The Curse of Fenric.

     There are many stores that sell these videos.  Tower Video in Manhattan
at their two stores - one at East 4th St and Lafayette down in the Village
and the other at West 67th St. and Broadway near Lincoln Center.  Also,
Tower Video in Carle Place, Long Island near Roosevelt Field Shopping Mall,
at the Intersection of Glen Cove and Old Country Roads.  Any Sam Goody
store will have a few of them plus you can order the others from the video
catalog with a $5 deposit and it takes 3 weeks.  Tower Video requires you
to have a credit card to order from a catalog and it could take from 6 to 8
weeks.  But Tower Video does have a Monthly listing of the new videos out
that month.  That list will tell you if new Dr. Who videos will be out.
Also, at A&S Plaza at West 33rd St. and Broadway near Herald Square has
Sun Coast Video on the First level.  You can order there as well from their
catalog, $5 deposit but only 7 to 10 business days for the video to come
in to the store.  Did that and it true.  Sorry this is long but all I've
learned I want to pass along.  Whovian till the day I die.  I also like
Star Trek.  I also think Dr. Who is coming out on laserdisc in the USA.
I saw Day of the Daleks on laserdisc in one store a while ago.

                                            Joe Svitak,
                                         City University of New York
                                          The Graduate School
email: JJSGC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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From: dj107@cus.cam.ac.uk (D. James)
Subject: Re: more shada
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:52:12 GMT

In article <C1D32B.Axz@news.udel.edu> sawelch@ravel.udel.edu (Susan Ann Welch) writes:
>
>In Shada the doctor calls Chris Parsons another name, Bristol (sp?)
>several times, once in the space stations with the old scientists and
>several times on the ship.  Anybody know why?

Yes. Chris introduces himself as 'Chris Parsons, Bristol and St John's' (or
something -- anyway, it's his school & college) the 1st time he meets the
Doctor and so the Doctor is probably making fun of this.

David James, Cardiff High and Downing.
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Videotapes Wanted
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:14 EST
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

	Well, it seems that "Doctor Who" is getting harder and harder
to find, in any form, in the NY area .... I can only get it on an
out-of-town UHF station on Saturday nights, and I can no longer find
any of the New Adventures.  
	What I want to know is, how can I contact CBS/Fox and buy
videotapes for "Shada", "Tomb of the Cybermen", and other recently
rediscovered episodes that I can no longer find on TV in New York CIty...
can someone tell me their phone number, and which "Who" videos they
have available?
	Many thanks in advance.

							Jason Miller
							"some doctor guy"
						E-Mail at:
						"doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu"
From: hoffman@cs.pitt.edu (Bob Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Shada + script package?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:09:47 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

I read somewhere (here?) many months ago that there would be a package
made available with the Shada videotape and a copy of the script.  Did
this ever happen?  My local video store has only the tapes.

	Thanks,
	---Bob.
-- 
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Pitt Computer Science    hoffman@cs.pitt.edu    FAX: +1 412 624 8854
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Where is Transit? (It's HERE!)
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:21:59 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <C15tqJ.F8n@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> Is Transit available in the US? My local bookstore (through which I have
> been able to order the other NA books) tells me that the book is out of
> print. Any help would be appreciated.
> 

I have nearly finished Transit, and I can get my hands on a copy of it for 
someone who is desperate enough.
I have not yet seen in on the standard bookshelfs (B. Dalton, Waldenbooks), 
but then this is Iowa afterall.

WARNING: Transit (by Ben Aaronovitch) may not be suitable for some viewers. 
Contains adult material, and is written rather cyber-punkishly (is that a 
real word?).  You may be offended.  You have been warned.

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

Not easily offended.
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Spoiler comments on "Transit"
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Since this is technically a review, and that there may be the slightest 
chance of spoiler data falling out, I'm going to include a standard screen 
full of blank space - just for the hell of it....























Last chance to turn back if you don't want to hear about "Transit" by Ben 
Aaronovitch!  Also if you haven't read all of the books leading upto this 
one, including Love and War by Paul Cornell, you may be in spoiler 
territory.


Okay, let's get to the nitty gritty.  I was really looking forward to this 
book, since it was by the fellow that wrote the scripts for Remembrance of 
the Daleks and Battlefield - two of my favorites.  And then there was Benny 
- new companion, what were we going to learn about her?
Sad to say I was very disappointed.  Not that it was a bad book, but it was 
rather psychotic at times - too jumpy, major plot points that were passed 
over in a vague way (like Benny's possession), and too many overly subtle 
hints about characters.
The style of the book is cyberpunk, though I don't think it was a very good 
rendering of that genre - almost like Ben A. was trying too hard to say 
"see - here is some more symbolism/technology/cyber catch phrases!"  
Story was rather straight forward, though all of the side tracks that were 
thrown in were just too tedious.
And as for the new companion, Ace was mentioned more times (or alluded to) 
then Benny was, or so it seemed to me.  And since Benny spent the whole 
story being possessed, there was no chance for character development or 
background exploration.  They could have easily written the story for Ace, 
and it is quite possible that was what an early draft included - until 
the change in companions in Love and War.
Then there is Kadiatu.  Again many subtle hints about who/what she is, 
though in some cases the subtleness was too shallow.  And about her 
experiment at the end - I didn't think that the energy from that explosion 
would be sufficient considering that the Time lords had to use a Supernova 
to power their original experiments.  

So, the basic upshot is, should you buy this book?  No, read it yes, but 
you may feel a bit ripped off by the content.
Let's give it a 4 on the Shabang-o-meter. (out of 10)

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan

Last train to Ganymede leaving in 5 minutes......
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From: mrmuon@next06epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Companions
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:05:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.120947.1968@mfltd.co.uk> nmp@mfltd.co.uk (Nic  
Percival (x5336)) writes:
> 
> 		Liz Shaw was the first and only companion never to
> >	have traveled in the TARDIS.  She was UNIT's scientific
> >	advisor when the Doctor was found after regenerating.  She
> >	left UNIT to continue her academic career.
> 
> I beg to differ. I read one of the Dr Who books called the Doomsday  
Weapon.
> I'm almost certain Liz Shaw was his companion in this. I believe the
> corresponding story was called something like 'Space Colony' or  
something
> like that. It involves the Doctor and Liz Shaw going to this colony (a
> mining colony as I recall) and preventing the Master getting hold of a
> particularly evil weapon. Can't remember the details much, but I think
> the Time Lords were in control of the Tardis (as the dematerialization
> circuit was disabled as this point, and the Doctor couldn't make it  
work).
> If above recollections are inaccurate please correct me. It must be 10  
years
> since I read this.
> Or was it Jo Grant?
It was Jo. As to the first posting, Liz was brought in as an expert on  
meteorites after the Doctor showed up, but she stuck around through 4  
stories. As to her never traveling in the TARDIS, I'm pretty sure that's  
right.
--
Eli Hawkins : mrmuon@wam.umd.edu
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: more shada
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:08:26 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <C1D32B.Axz@news.udel.edu> sawelch@ravel.udel.edu (Susan Ann Welch) writes:
>In Shada the doctor calls Chris Parsons another name, Bristol (sp?)
>several times, once in the space stations with the old scientists and
>several times on the ship.  Anybody know why?

Listen to how Chris introduces himself to the Doctor.

--
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From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:08:41 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.144149.13860@bsu-ucs>, 00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes...
>>
>>     I'm not up on my Pertwee shows, but I remember it from "The Five Doctors".
>>

>	There was a variation on this line in "Frontier in SPace".
>	Am I correct in assuming tha this was an "Elementary, my dear
>Watson", type line, in that it was never said as often as people thought
>it was?

 There was a variation in City of Death too if memory serves. The bit with the
egg-->chicken, then by reversing it went chicken-->egg

Gareth
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From: rpk@niagara.edu (Richard P. Kernin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Archive Update (Re: Romana 'N' Dave stories)
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <727578537.AA00157@hexacom.UUCP>, stephane.boyer@p35.f290.n167.z1.hexacom.UUCP (stephane boyer) writes...
>    does anyone know how to get all the Romana and Dave parodies???
>i Don't have FTP access...
> 
>please reply by e-mail or netmail to address stated below....

I decided to reply via the USENET since it is still relatively new, and not
previously posted in my last archive update.

All the Romana 'N' Dave stories are available via my Doctor Who FTP archive
at (frontios.niagara.edu) in the /pub/Doctor_Who/matrix/Romana directory.

I've also got most of the Nyssa stories available as well.  I'm still missing
the following from the Nyssa stories:

nyssa10		"The Knot in Time"
nyssa13		"Frictions Between Fictions (the Thimbleberry Jam)"
nyssa14		"The Physics of Enchantment"

Finally thanks to those who made files available in the /incoming directory
at frontios.  Much appreciated by myself, and probably countless others.

Take care.

-Rich

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From: neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan)
Subject: Re: UK Videos - DWM's reports. Was RE: Terminus out on video
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:41:05 GMT

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:


>BTW, if there has been a change of staff at DWB, I admit that they could
>have improved their news accuracy.  It's also possible that the National
>Enquirer might have tightened up their journalistic standards since the
>last time I peeked at an issue in the check-out line.  I just have never
>seen much reason to keep up with either publication in the hope that their
>output will improve.

  Isn't it strange how all the anti-DWBers now claim to not have even
read DWB lately, yet they still hold strong beliefs towards it and they're
the first to post anti-DWB remarks based solely on rumors?
  I suppose they'd also claim that Dr. Who is garbage and then admit that
the last season they saw was season 17.
  And yes there has been a change, David Gibbs is now editor at DWB (though
Gary Leigh is still around).

     -Neal Crossan-
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:38:32 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> In 'Earthshock', as the Doctor, Nyssa and Tegan are being led from
> the control room by the Cybermen down a flight of stairs, The Cyberleader
> stumbles when he gets to the bottom...
> 
> In 'Terror of the Vervoids', after the Vervoids have been killed,
> we see the Doctor holding a leaf in his right hand, with his left hand
> underneath. When we cut to a shot of both the Doctor and Mel, suddenly
> the leaf is in his left hand, with his right hand down by his side...
> (Or maybe it's the other way round...)
> 
> OK, so they're a bit nitpicky, but you get the idea...

In "The Curse of Fenric" at the end when Ace and the Doctor run out of
the exploding bunker, the Doctor stumbles in the mud and puts his hand
out to catch himself, getting mud all over his hand which he even stops
to look at in an almost symbolic gesture.
Then they go in for the close-ups with him and Ace and when he puts his
hand up to rub her nose (same hand), it's perfectly clean.  

In "The Chase," well, the entire thing really...
But one people don't see very often is a clearly visible boom mike and
operator standing in the shadows as Ian and the Doctor come down the
stairs of the haunted house for their last time.
Then of course, there's always that matter of the Dalek being down in the
dungeon before he should have been...
And there's the entire interior design of the Dalek spacecraft, the
dubs on the Robot Doctor, Barbara suddenly running over to the crumbling
wall just so that the tentacles can grab her, the visible wires on the bats,
the Visualiser that has names of Sol planets written on it yet it's
supposed to be able to tune anywhere, the bad accents in the Empire
State Building, I could go on forever...

And that's what makes "The Chase" such a classically hilarious episode.
Ripe MST3K territory.  I especially love Morton Dill's encounters with
the Daleks...
And then there's the classic line,
"You're from Earth!" says Barbara.
"No ma'am, I'm from Alabama," answers Morton.
-Apologies to anyone in Alabama
It's still funny though.  :)



> 
> It would be best to e-mail me with your responses - I'll gather together
> what I get (provided I get a decent response) and post the list to this group...
> 
> Now, can anyone tell me about the hand seen holding Sutekh's cushion
> in 'Pyramids of Mars'?
> 
> Daniel.
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Steven.K.Manfred
From: alex.soto@analog.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Speaking of Lalla Ward...
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:49:27 GMT
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Originator: soto@mystica

In article <1k3ivvINN6lh@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> tim.haley@Central.Sun.COM (Tim Haley) writes:
>Well, the local PBS channel is showing 'Destiny of the Daleks' this
>week.  I have to admit I like Romana II a little better this time 
>around.  I think I still prefer the first Romana (Mary Tamm?) but
>the second one doesn't seem as annoying to me as she did the first
>time I saw this episode.
>
>I like this episode a lot by the way.  I know the Daleks tend to be
>sort of annoying but they were pretty tolerable here.  Probably
>because they are less the main characters.  This is at least one
>serial where T Baker pulls out the "Origins of the Universe" book
>that has been discussed here recently. Is it the only one?
>
>Also, Romana has a line about how she stops both her hearts to escape
>from the Dalek slave crew.  Are there any references to timelords
>controlling their breathing or of their breathing requirements?  I'm
>wondering how Romana survived being placed in the (presumably
>airtight) Nova device container as bait for the doctor...
>-- 
Well Doctor#4 does it (stops his breathing) in Terror of the Zygons (?) I 
believe where he puts Sarah in a hypnotic trance to slow/stop her breathing
also.  The curious thing is that he says he learned this trick from a
monk in Tibet, but perhaps he was referring to inducing another - and
not himself.  Afterwards, Doctor #5 has a bit more trouble doing it in
Four to Doomsday when the entire ship's life support is turned off.  He seems
to breath heavily as though he is slightly choking vs. Doctor #4 just 
keeping quiet and in his trance. 
	You thought Romana II was irritating?  I thought Romana I was 
prettier, but more irritating.  Romana II seemed to take up some of the
Doctor #4's qualities (especially shown in Warriors' Gate when talking
to Adric).  Perhaps she did this on purpose when she regenerated to get
along with the Doctor better.  She even ended up doing something Doctor
like - she left TimeLord Society to be a traveler (and help the Tharils
as she traveled).
	Mystic
	(alex.soto@analog.com)