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From: asi@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Ali Asi)
Subject: FOOTPRINTS of GOD
Reply-To: asi@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:28:38 GMT


Hello;

Here, I would like to share with you a piece of article which happens
to be my favorite. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
================================================================
Footprints
----------

One night a man had a dream,
He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the LORD.

Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand:
one belonging to him, and the other to the LORD.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked
back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times
along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints.

He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest
times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned
the LORD about it:

"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk
with me all the way. But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me."

The LORD replied:

"My son, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set
of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

"Author unknown", obviously not me :-)
================================================================


All the best;


Ali   Asi
Dept. of Electrical Eng.,
University of Manitoba,
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

e-mail: asi@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca


"I have the simplest tastes.  I am always satisfied with the best."
                                                     -- Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Patarak Ondrej <patarak@kjemi.unit.no>
Subject: test
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A725962FA5032796@pca20.kjemi.unit.no>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:38:16 GMT

minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
sorry just a test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Learn Islamic Behavior or is it??? WUZ: Re: Maybe we should ...t
Organization: VezArateh Addliyyeh 
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:28:58 GMT

In article <13NOV199214125692@utrc.utc.com> 
ali@utrc.utc.com (ALI BABA) writes:

>aye baba;
xxxxxx  foul blabber, indicating upbringing and family background
deleted xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Go get a life Mr. farokhzad or I will send mashghafoor with his serum to come
>and give you guys a real seizure.
>
>
>                    ********************************
>                    * ALI BABA, not an old legend, * 
>                    *   But a new guardian angel   *          
>                    ********************************
>
>
>Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com

Hear ye, hear ye. Learn Islamic behavior from Ali Baba. The man
thinks he can silence others by calling them names. hahaha! Go on
Ali Baba, go on. Keep it up in full force. It is just a mirror of
what you are. Your thoughts get reflected real well. If anything,
you are the best enemy of any religion, Islam or other, by using
the methods that you have so expertly mastered. Keep it up. Amazing
how your language matches that of that Satan guy. Cousins?

And BTW, don't threaten us by sending someone else. Do it yourself.

Asghar AghA


 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sharam@ole.cdac.com (Sean Namazi)
Subject: Re: Bush and Saddam
Organization: Cascade Design Automation, Bellevue, WA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:58:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.212027.9151@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
>
>This morning I heard that in Baghdad they are celebrating Bush's defeat.
>It's ironic how the armies of 28 countries failed to overthrow the dictator
>Saddam Hossein, yet it was the ballot which overthrew Bush.  Just goes to 
>show how much more difficult change is in the absence of democracy. 
>
>I think Iraqis should be mourning about their form of government instead.
>
>Agha Javad
>(sarjookheh baghghal porharfeh)


Affarrin.  Very well said.  
-- 
Shahram Namazi                  | UUCP:      ...!uunet!ole!sharam
Cascade Design Automation Corp. | Internet:  sharam@ole.cdac.com
3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650    | TEL:       (206)-649-7609
Bellevue, WA  98006             | FAX:       (206)-649-7600
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: J90M <J90M@UNB.CA>
Subject: Request for info on new digest, if any.
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:53:21 GMT


Is there any news digest concerning the news from Iran?

Any info in this regard is greatly appreciated.

ali mahdavy
j9om@unb.ca
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: BAHAIS: Real or Economic Refugees?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:10:32 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Bahais claim that

 1) In Iran, they have been deprived not only of religious     
    freedom and basic human rights but they are also being     
    harassed, prosecuted, and even killed at a massive scale only 
    because they have different religion.

 2) Because of that they have no choice but to flee from that  
    country.


*IF* above allegations are correct, then one could conclude that

  1) there should not be single Bahai left in Iran by now

  2) And there should be huge concentration of Bahais refugees 
    in the neighbouring countries.

BUT we see that even today maximum number of Bahai are in Iran
than any where else and there are minimal number of Bahais in 
neighbouring countries, like Pakistan, Iraq and the Gulf states.

This is quite contrary to what we saw when a situation similar to 
the alleged happened in Iraq, Bosnia etc.  In these cases there was 
a huge exodus of people from troubled countries to neighbouring 
countries.  The number of people who got refuge in the west was negligible 
as compared to those who were lying miserably in camps in surrounding 
countries.

In case of Bahais the number of people who are in  neighbouring
countries is inconsequential as compared to those who made their
fortune by entering the west.  Even if there are a few people in
these countries, they are using them as a transit on their way
to the west.  

Considering all that one thinks aren't these people ECONOMIC
REFUGEES rather than genuine one and aren't all those allegations 
just a way to get refugee status?

  
Warm regards 

Asad 
 
BTW: It is a general observation that a big share of people who
get refuge in the west come from those countries which are at odd
with the west.  Does it mean that human rights are well-respected
in all friendly countries?
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Soccer alert (was Re: Bush and Saddam)
Organization: Football - Football
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:45:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.001830.6247@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>sharam@ole.cdac.com (Sean Namazi) writes:
>
>    [article deleted]
>
>>Shahram Namazi                  | UUCP:      ...!uunet!ole!sharam
>>Cascade Design Automation Corp. | Internet:  sharam@ole.cdac.com
>>3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650    | TEL:       (206)-649-7609
>>Bellevue, WA  98006             | FAX:       (206)-649-7600
>
>AghA HooshyAr, look who just posted.

Funny mack jAn, few seconds ago I sent a private note to ostAd ShahrAm
asking him the same question!!  ShahrAm AghA I guess your mask is uncovered
now.  We want to meet you guys, please . . .

>Do you still have your note from a few months ago?

Damn [(c) K1, 92]!  No, but I am sure we can find it in the archives.  I 
sent it in the summer.  But, before we embarras ShahrAm khAn, let's make
sure he is him.  OK, ShahrAm jAn are you the same ShahrAm?

>Let's arrange an inter-SCI soccer match somewhere in Oregon, with 1 pors 
>soltAnee to follow.

Yes, Yes, let's make it 2 porses.  :-)  I still think Bedford just after 
California border is a nice neutral place.  Gee, I can even arrange for a
pro video coverage (I mean it).  

ShahrAm besabrAneh montazer-e javAb-e shomA hastim.

PS.  Mashti ghorboneh oon dasthAy-e por honaret, can you send an official
invitation to ShahrAm in your new Persian font, please?  Believe me I tried
few times and my 'chap dast' cannot do it.  Thanks in advance.

         _________________________________________
        /|                                      / |            @
      /  |      FOOTBALL MANIACS               /  |          \/|/\
     |   |                                    |   |            |
     |   |      Hooshyar F. Naraghi           |   |      O    / \/\
     |   |      bavafa@netcom.com             |   |         \/
     |   |      (415) 322-8056                |   |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Re: Ms King Is this your real name???
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:32:01 GMT

In article <19154.9211111335@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>To Ms L.King,
>
>Is this your real name??
>I am sure you are a jew so your name has to be something like
>KAHAN, KHIEEM, or MENAHIM.
>That is the practice of all the jews they change their names
>claim they are christians
>then they start attaking ISLAM and the MUSLIM regadless in the
>name of FREEDOM.
>
>Why do not you attak the Turkish Govenment who ban the Hijab
>and SADDAM who killed thousands of innocent people.
>
>NO OFF COURSE NOT
>
>The Turkish gov. doing a very good job especially their are thousands of
>jews (every single jew is a spy for Israel) in Turkey
>and Saddam is a great man in your eyes
>and most of the American and the jews where else they can find
>an evil like him
>This the truth ms King or what ever your name is.
>
>
>M.G
>CARDIFF, WALES, U.K

I don't want to sound stupid or anything, but I would really
like to know if M.G. is serious.  Of all the extreme views
I have read on this net (and there have been more than a few:)
this must be the most inarticulate and incomprehensible.

I am more than willing to consider M.G.'s views in a serious
manner if I could only figure out what they are.

Do others have this problem or is it just me?

Regards

Mellissa Namazi
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:17:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Nov5.205342.1740@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>>

seyed:

>>>I am not trying to confuse you by apealing to generalities. On the contrary,
>>>I am very specific. Very simple, clear and specific statements: 
>>>
>>>1) God says that women should wear hejab.
>>    ~~~

me:

>>
>>wrong.  *quran* says women should wear hejab. once you prove to people
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>on this net that god wrote quran, then points 2-4 will hold.  until then
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

behzad:

>
>i'm sorry, but i disagree with this statement. even if he proves
>this point, that doesn't imply that points 2thru4 hold.

my main point was that in Sislam (Seyed's version of Islam), they always say
'God says so', and under that pretense, they get to justify anything from
censorhip, to oppression, intimidation, murder, you name it.  i meant that if
if he could prove to me (which should be pretty easy), that in fact
God contacted mohammad and conveyed these messages to him (vs he having
written it on his own), i would accept anything and everything that followed
from that, no matter how illogical it may seem - from wearing hejab, to seegeh,
to beating people, to killing them for writing ficition, to killing them
for leaving islam 'without reason'.  hell, if he can bring an iota of
proof, *i* will start wearing hejab.

up to now, there has not been any irrefutable proof.

i think theyre starting to give up on the big-bang theory, embryology, etc
having been explained in meticulous detail in ghoran 14 centuries ago as
each scientist laughs at the mere thought.  the so called 'miracles' of
the prophets are even more fun to debunk.

even today, without knowing much of the exact circumstances, they can
be explained.  just some 9 months ago, the 'parting of the red sea by
gods hands' was explained scientifically.  

a few geologists, historical meteorologists, physicists, etc professors
explained how a particular section of the red sea where moses is to
have crossed, could 'part' under the right atmospheric circumstances
(40 knot winds blowing for 24 hours from a certain direction, certain
barometric pressure, low tide, etc).  they even had a small scale model
which simulated it perfectly!  they claimed that the event could have
been frequent enough in those days that "meteorologists" of the era
could have even told moses when to expect the next occurrence.

i'd sure like to see seyeds face when we all die and find out that
we've simply been a part of a genetics experiment by a mediocre graduate
student from the Casiopea constellation, to whos advanced race we're as 
evolved as the amoeba.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:30:28 GMT



I think the discussion has moved into the logic of
religious semantics, and I have no intention of discussing
that, because I don't accept that God, if she exists, has
said any of the sorts of things you claim she has.

If you seriously believe that a benevolent Deity would
condone the cruel oppression that women suffer under Islamic
laws, then I'd say your God has a sick sense of humour.

If instead you argue that Islamic law (as God's edict) is
not equivalent to the imperfect approximations which are the 
actual laws of Islamic nations, such as Iran, then I'd need to
have you defend exactly what this distinction means for
the possibility of realizing God's will on earth.

History is replete with beautiful systems of belief which
fail miserably in practice ... I'm not convinced that
the oppression of women under Islamic regimes won't soon
join the historical graveyard of defunt dogma.

But let's get back to the real issue here: should justice
be based upon unchanging dogma?  It didn't work for Christianity
in the Middle Ages, and it didn't work for Marxism-Leninism in 
Europe.  Why should it work anywhere else?  What's so special
about your "word of God" line, that everyone should listen?
What if other people think God says different things?  What
if those other people are also Muslims?  Shouldn't they be
allowed to discover God in their own way?

The facts are that women are human beings, that all people are
different, and that society should embrace this plurality and
encourage its exercise in all possible ways; the state shouldn't
impose a party line as to what differences matter, and for whom.

Why not?  Because time and time again such approaches have failed, 
but not before hurting some people for no reason other than they 
were different from what someone else said was normal, proper 
and decent.  Harmless, but different.

Claiming that one set of rules is the right and true set because
God said so is a pretty lame way to impose your views on others.

Why do you feel such a need?

If people don't interfere with each others' freedoms, if they
respect each other as fellow rational beings, then who cares
what they wear?  And who cares what God says?

I say let them find their own answers, their own way of living,
and if God doesn't like it, then she can pack up and find
another planet.



Loren King
MIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.172538.27007@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
>In article <Bx7vw6.60M@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>i got a question for everyone but for mr. javad in particular. what does baghal
>>mean? and what is so special about cows, bovines, and dairy products?
>>my fans can flame me if they want. it's nothing new anyway.
>>
>>--== not the fingernail man ==--
>>
>>zafar
>
>
>Dear our most honorable friend,
>
>baghghal is an extremely elite and prestigious profession in Iran.  Basically,
>he is the little store close to your house which sells dairy products and
>a limited selection of groceries.  Most of the time the customer is served
>from behind the counter, and most of the time the baghghal and the customers
>know each other for years.  The baghghal normally brings milk from the villages,
>and makes his own fresh youghurt with a delicious layer of cream on top, and
>sells it in these little plastic bowls with a piece of wax paper on top to
>prevent dust from settling on the yoghurt.  The baghghal also sells hot items
>like real good feta cheese (bulgarian, danish, domestic, etc.), homemade doogh
>(yoghurt drink), cube sugar (ghand), rice (the best one is rashti, but the 
>sources vary). And of course, on a hot summer day everybody goes up and buys
>a soft drink like Kooka (coke), which is kept cold by keeping it in a barrel 
>full of water and slabs of ice..
>
>The description goes on and on, but I'll stop here.  So in short, it's
>a little grocery store with fresh dairy products.
>
>
>May your yoghurt cultures flourish,
>
>Agha Javad

Begoo 7 Eleven khodeto rahat kon baba.
-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:42:01 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <12NOV199213254704@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>>>peacefully or asking other countries to help us. What we need
>>>to do is to kill all those goddam Arabs and Turks that act nice
>>>as individuals, but are monsters when they're with their own
 
> What the fuck are you trying to be sarcastic of?
>
>Satan.

Because Saddam Hussein, Hafiz Assad, and others supplicate themselves
to you in worship, they did quite a good job at almost killing "all
those goddam Arabs and Turks".

Why don't you take your racist philosophy back to Al-Jehenna where you
belong, you dog foaming at the mouth!

asinA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:01:55 GMT

In <1992Nov8.222939.22126@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>In article <sehari.721165250@class1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak 
>Sehari) writes:

>I had asked:

>>>Do we know why the 3 players were ejected from the game?  Was this another
>>>"towte'e" [(c) dAee jAn Napel-on, 1357] by British as Babak had previously
>>>felt?

>Babak added:

>>British are nothing but a third world country these days.  Like other
>>Empires before it, it has gone with the wind.  However, it might be a
>>"towte'e" by Japanese.  Off course, our great friend U.S. might have
>>something with it, too. The victory would have given Iran more popularity
>>in the Republics.
>>       ^^^^^^^^^
>>                    With highest regards,
>>                         Babak   Sehari.

>Now if we only knew what the Republics is.

>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056

The farmer Soviet republics.


--
From: amirishs@acf9.nyu.edu (shaahin amiri sharifi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: test
Summary: test
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:46:58 GMT
Organization: New York University

this is a test!
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Sixties' Reign of Death ...
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:57:02 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED
-------------------------------

			The Sixties' Reign of Death
		And the Human Right Campaigns in the Seventies

This is the title of an article (in Farsi, by yours truely) published
in the summer edition of Hoqug-e Bashar, a quarterly publication of
Liga-Iran, the Berlin-based Iranian human rights organisation
"Dafter-e Ham-aahangi-e Jaame-e-haa-ye Defa'a az Hoquq-e Bashar dar
Iran".  The article, marking the tenth anniversary of the organisation
and dated Farvardin 1371, analyses the campaigns for the human rights
in Iran in the "Sixties' Reign of Death" and its propspects in the
seventies (Iranian calendar, of course).

The publication may be obtained from the Liga-Iran at the following
address:

	Liga-Iran,
	P.O. Box 150825,
	D-1000 Berlin 15,
	Germany.

	Tel: (4930) 825 8552
	Fax: (4930) 826 6286


I may also be able to fax the article (about 4 pages) to interested
people if the demand is VERY LOW!  Otherwise, as most demand is likely
to originate from the States, I would appreciate if someone from there
volunteers to receive a copy from me and then fax it to others.  Also,
offers of translation into English (for publication in the net) would
be wellcome.

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Your advice
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.224632.8378@jetsun.weitek.COM>, nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes...
>In article <1992Nov12.015430.16234@ra.msstate.edu> eeajm@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza) writes:
>>-- 
>>
>>
>>From: yekaty@eshgh.edu
>>Subject: Re: Your advice
>>Message-ID: <1689B148FF.UC534183@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
>>Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu
>>Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu
>>Organization: University of Missouri
>>References:  <1992Nov10.180004.2400@ra.msstate.edu>
>>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:23:00 CST
>>Lines: 25
>>
>>In article <1992Nov10.180004.2400@ra.msstate.edu>
>>eeajm@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza) writes:
>> 
>>>>
>>>>Salaam doostane garami,
>>>>
>>>>One night in Mississippi when all our friends were sitting and
>>>>talking to each other, one of us raised a question that I
>>>>thought it might be interesting to raise it here in the net.
>>>>
>>>>The question was "what would be your five most important advice
>>>>to iranian government?".
> 
>Commit mass suicide. Maybe then, someday, Iran could have a sane and
>responsible government.
> 
> 
> 
>-- 
>The Earth Pig Bourne....
> 
>nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
>nadja@weitek.com

 Take your own goddam, stupid ass advice, and maybe the WORLD might be a 
better place!

Satan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:22:09 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <lfjj0vINN9o3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (Assana Fard) writes:

> In article <1992Nov5.043107.19477@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

		   [garbage deleted]

> >
> >1) God says that women should wear hejab.
> >2) God has created us, therefore knows better about our own benefit.
> >3) God is kind to us and wants our good and prosperity.
> >4) We should seek our good and prosperity.
> >5) Therefore we should obey God, and his order about hejab.

> bwaaahahahha! hilarious!

> I often wonder if seyyed is playing a practical joke on SCI!!
> I mean, could a sane person think this way?? in the last decade of
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
> the 20th century???

You are really expecting too much from the poor chap, aren't you?

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian