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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Termcap for iris-ansi &| xwsh ?
Keywords: Termcap Suns xwsh
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Oct8.151951.24156@netcom.com> benoist@netcom.com (Tom Benoist) writes:
|   Does anyone have a termcap entry for 
|   iris-ansi-net or iris-ansi that will work
|   when connecting from an Iris to a Sun using
|   'cu' ?

Use infocmp -Cr to turn a terminfo entry into a pretty decent termcap
entry.  It is in eoe2.sw.terminfo, which isn't installed by default.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: How to run parallel jobs across a network of SGI machines
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
NNTP-Posting-Host: dcdmjw.fnal.gov

In article <1992Oct10.190700.21084@portal.vpharm.com>, markm@portal.vpharm.com (Mark Murcko) writes:
|>       A question for the group on parallelization...
|> 
|>       It would be very useful to be able to run a job across
|> a network in parallel.  Say you have a few R4000s, a few 420s,
|> a few PI's, etc., and you have some kind of program that you
|> think ought to be fairly easy to parallelize.  How might one
|> attempt this over such a heterogeneous network?  I already
|> know about the existence of Linda, although I haven't yet
|> played with it.  Is that the best solution, or are there
|> other ways to tackle this problem?  Any insights welcome!
|> 
|> / Mark

There are many solutions out there, and LINDA is only one of them. At Fermi
Lab, we have developed software called CPS (Co-operative Process Software)
that is actively being run to allow parrallel execution of High Energy Physics
Re-construction code. We use this to run our "Compute Farms" which currently
consist of ~100 SGI machines (4D/25's, 4D/35s, 4D/420s) and ~100 IBM RS/6000
machines (of various models). We are in the process of expanding our farms
by adding 80 Indigoes as well as 2 4D/420's as well as an expansion of ~45
more IBM RS/6000 machines.

-- 
Matt Wicks
Group Leader, UNIX System Support
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
wicks@fnal.fnal.gov
708-840-8083
From: venkat@vidcom.csc.ti.com (Venkat Venkateswar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Can I see 24-bit RGB images/video on a 24-bit SGI using X/MOTIF?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:49:26 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments


We are thinking of purchasing an SGI 24-bit Workstation. My question is
is it possible to see a true 24-bit image/video on the screen when I am
in the X environment (i.e. without mapping to 8-bits). I am under the
impression that X is capable of dealing only with 8-bit color information.

Venkat
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sgi:15049 comp.sys.hp:11646 comp.unix.admin:5615
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: tape woes on SGI
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:14:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Oct13.235347.18359@umbc3.umbc.edu> paulr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Paul Riddle) writes:
| Has anyone had any luck getting rdump on an HP running HP-UX 8.0 to
| work with rmt on an SGI running Irix 4.0.5?  I keep getting the error
| "protocol to remote tape botched; in rmtgets" or something similar.

Almost *certainly*, whatever account you are using on the remote 
system does i/o (or ioctls) to the tty from .cshrc, .login, or .profile
even for non-interactive logins.  Read the comments at the end
of the rsh man page. (rdump uses the rsh protocol).

| Also, what's the secret to writing to /dev/tape on the SGI?  I have a
| Crimson server with an 8mm hi-density SCSI tape drive.  Writing out
| tar or bru archives on the SGI works fine, as does running dump on a
| local filesystem.  But, anything else just gives me an "invalid
| argument".  For example, I can hook the same drive up to one of my DEC
| machines running Ultrix, do an "echo hi >/dev/nrmt0h", and read it
| back with no problems.  But, I try to do the same thing on my Crimson
| and I get "invalid argument".

/dev/tape by default for 8mm drives on SGI systems is the fixed
blocksize device.  If you want variable blocksize, use /dev/rmt/tps#d#nsv,
or make your own links to that device.

| Am I missing something obvious here?

Yes, you aren't reading the man pages, which cover this nicely.
See 'man tps', or 'man jagtape', depending on which controller
it is connnected to (the example above is for tps).

| Also, we've been sort of unhappy here with dump/rdump due to problems
| such as this one, and were kicking around the idea of buying a
| commercial backup system such as Legato.  It has to support network
| backups of machines in a large multivendor (DEC, HP, NeXT, Sun, SGI)
| environment.  Has anyone had experience with any of these packages?

Some of our servers (for database, order entry, etc.) operators use
it, and seem pretty happy, I've never used it myself, as it is extreme
overkill for my needs.

Still, it looks to me like your problems are primarily 'user error',
and you would have similar problems with networker, unless you read
the documentation carefully.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Pizza-box R4000?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:45:22 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Dave Olson <olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com> writes:

	I'll stick my neck out, and say that I don't think there is any
	SGI product under development that I would characterize as a
	"pizza box" style case.

My sales-guy said this would be a low-end machine (so called "desktop")
R4000 ... sort of an Indigo with less room for disk.  He also said it
would be out around March.

Looking for more rumors, :-)

/jordan
From: kflanagan@dsm.enet.dec.com (Bound To Cover Just A Little More Ground)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Looking for details
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: kflanagan@dsm.enet.dec.com (Bound To Cover Just A Little More Ground)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.


I have no experience with SGI systems, but can get my hands on a model 
3030 as a loaner from work for free from a group in another location.

My question is, 

Is this system worth using?  Assuming that it has a reasonable ammount
of disk and memory?


What CPU is in this system,  IE: MIPS R2000, R3000 etc.....?


Reply by mail please to 

kflanagan@dsm.enet.dec.com

Thanks for the help!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics.animation
From: venkat@vidcom.csc.ti.com (Venkat Venkateswar)
Subject: SGI + D-1 : Info wanted on digital interfacing.
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:34:00 GMT

We work with Digital (CCIR 601 format) Video Sequences. We are planning to
get a Silicon Graphics (INdigo) and a D-1 recorder. What should we do
to be able to do frame accurate reading/writing onto the D-1 tape?
What boards are available for this (We looked at the Chyron Centaur board,
but their digital version is due out only in Mar 91, in the meantime the board
is analog, which is unacceptable for us, we don't want to lose any
information) for interfacing the two? Do we also need animation controllers?
(again we looked at Diaquest ImageNode, but they too are analog right now,
further I don't understand fully why I would need both a video adaptor
as well as an animation controller).

Venkat
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Indigo/r4k -- better machine, crummier monitor
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:09:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Oct7.140937.7500@utstat.uucp> tg@utstat.uucp (Tom Glinos) writes:

| Last spring I recently recieved two NCD19r's. They come with a Hitachi monitors.
| I put them next to several old SUN 19" Hitachi's, a SUN 19" Sony,
| and a 4D35 with the 19" Hitachi.
| 
| End result, the NCD's were clear winners.
| 
| I asked an NCD engineer about their monitors. The Hitachi's were custom built
| and designed for NCD. He said Hitachi had a "special" interest in providing 
| the best product possible for NCD since they expected to 
| sell a LOT of monitors through them.
| 
| Moral of the story. Demand SGI start providing better monitors.

We used to.  The original Hitachi monitors we shipped went through
a similar process, and were *very* good.  However, after 3 years
of price reductions, they started getting fuzzier, etc.  You can't
constantly price reduce something without giving up some quality.
(Yes, some times you can, but note the word "constantly".)

| Show the sales people examples of what you mean. And return
| those lousy monitors when you get them. If people do that often enough
| I'm sure the QA folks will get the hint.

It isn't just QA, it is partly driven by prices the marketing people
want to achieve.  The process is affected by a surprisingly large
part of the company, not all of whom understand the ramifications,
or at least, don't think the change is enough to matter.  Sometimes, 
from rev to rev, the changes don't look bad, but when you look
over the whole series of changes, it can be pretty depressing.

The comment is valid, complain long and loudly
	*to the sales, support, and marketing folks*.
Complaining on the net isn't enough, although some of it gets through
to the right people.


Again, these are my opinions, not SGI's, etc., etc.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: ziehmer@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Thomas Ziehmer [E-Technik])
Subject: get ethernet-adresse on Powerstation
Followup-To: ziehmer@rhrk.uni-kl.de 
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:43:13 GMT

Hey
Can anyone told me, where I can get the Ethernet-adresse of the 
Workstation (Powerstation under IRIX 4.0.1).
bye
   Thomas Ziehmer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: Indigo/r4k -- better machine, crummier monitor
Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:05:26 GMT

olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>
>(For those of you may wonder about my more frequent disclaimers lately,
>no, nobody is clamping down on me, I just seem to be saying more
>things that could be rather controversial lately ;), so I'm being
>a bit more careful!)

I certainly hope nobody decides to clamp down on you.  The free flow of
information and opinions in this newsgroup was a factor in the decision to
buy the R4000 Indigo I recently ordered.  (Experience with an R3000 Indigo
didn't hurt either).

	Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: net@cs.tu-berlin.de (Oliver Laumann)
Subject: Bug in system include file (a.out.h, sym.h, cmplrs/stsupport.h)
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:52:08 GMT

When porting a program to an SGI Indigo running Irix 4.0, I had to
fight with a problem in /usr/include/a.out.h.  I don't know if this
is a known problem; I'm new to this newsgroup.

<a.out.h> includes <sym.h>, which in turn includes <cmplrs/stsupport.h>.
<cmplrs/stsupport.h>, near the beginning, contains the offending lines

    AUXU _auxtemp;
    #define AUXINT(c) ((_auxtemp.isym = c), _auxtemp)

This causes the linker to complain about _auxtemp being multiply defined
if a program includes <a.out.h> more than once (i.e. in several source
files).

The obvious (but ugly) workaround is to put something like

    #define _auxtemp foobar

in front of each #include <a.out.h> except the first occurrence, and
use a different symbol each time.

This should really be fixed in <cmplrs/stsupport.h>, although I'm not
sure if there is a simple solution to this problem at all without
changing the semantics of AUXINT(c).

--
Oliver Laumann    net@cs.tu-berlin.de  net@tub.UUCP  net@tub.BITNET
From: otto@nevada.edu (FREDERICK J HAAB)
Subject: Need help building GCC 2.2.2
Originator: otto@helios.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:44:19 GMT


Like the title says, when I run make we compile a whole ton of
stuff, and eventually get to this:

cpp: error /usr/include/syms.h:107: Can't find include file cmplrs/stsupport.h
*** Error code 1

Bison is installed.  Configure was run with
	--target=mips-sgi-irix4.0

(I'm running 4.0.1).

BTW, its a 4d/85.

I can't find this include file anywhere...and I'm sure I'll run into
similar problems.   What am I missing, and where can I get it?

Any help is appreciated, Thanks in Advance,
Fred Haab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Explorer 1.0 on Indigo r4k with entry graphics -- no go?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:18:08 GMT

We have a new Indigo r4k with entry graphics, with Irix 4.0.5F.  When I
try to run explorer, I get:

> User interface: killed -- Segmentation fault, core dumped

I tried mounting the r4k's disk on a regular Indigo via NFS, and setting
up the links, and this image seems to run fine on the r3k machine.  When
I do the reverse, and mount the r3k Indigo's copy of explorer on the r4k,
it also core dumps.  So, it appears that explorer 1.0 does not run on our
r4k Indigo.  Is this a known problem?

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
From: mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: 3.10 compilers
Date: 13 Oct 1992 03:50:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


What's all this I hear about 3.10 compilers?

-> I take it that's not what I got in 4.0.5 OS (w/ dev opt)?

-> Is it an extra cost option?

-> Is there a CD in the mail for those with full support?

-> Is it only sent if we ask/demand?

-> Does only my marketing person know for sure?

-> How is it improved from 2.0.4? Any benchmarks available?

TIA for enlightenment, MMCohen

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From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: protect except for one other person
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:25:31 GMT
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine

In article <1992Oct12.080518@masg6.epfl.ch>, posse@masg6.epfl.ch (Christian Posse) writes:
- 
- Is is possible to protect a directory so that only one other
- person can go in it ???
-
The Andrew File System (afs) and the Distributed Computing Environment (son
of afs and osf) allow this, but ...

   o  no afs yet on Irix
   o  afs to nfs translator (i.e. you buy a Sun to be the file server, and
      run afs on it, and use it via nfs and the translator). 

No, I would not recommend it as anything but an experimental setup. Last 
time I tried to do it, May or so, the Sun rebooted spontaneously everytime
anybody executed 'df' on the Iris, which makes working on the Sun itself 
rather tedious. It is posible that the software is better now, there have
been some upgrades, so do not let me discourage you.

                                        Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: teo@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Patrick ChengSan Teo)
Subject: Lisp for SGI
Reply-To: teo@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:16:37


I'm going to be doing some work in Lisp on the SGI.  It seems to me
that most of the work in SGI is done in C.  If anybody is using Lisp
on the SGI, I'd appreciate some pointers.  In particular, we have the
version of Lucid 3.02+ on the SGI but we do not have a version of
Lispview for our machine.  Is there one available?  What graphics
package do people use while programming in Lisp on the SGI?

Cheers!
Patrick
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From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: chown and symbolic links
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:25:19 GMT
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine

In article <1992Oct7.204635.17291@fwi.uva.nl>, casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
- 
- The ownership and mode of a symoblic links were not important 
- before there where sticky directories. Chown always followed
- the symbolic link, chmod never did. In 4.0.0 SGI changed this and
- made chown follow symlinks. I'm not sure whether you'd want that,
- especially with a chown -R on a user directory.

(Isn't this stated the wrong around ? If chown always followed symlinks, and
now still does, there was not much change in policy.)

It probably should depend on who does it as well.

When root attempts a global change of ownership, you do not want to follow 
symlinks, if a user does it, you probably want to change both link and target.
Imagine the mayhem resulting when a user has a symbolic link to /bin/login,
and the administrator decides to change userids and makes a recursive chown.

I tried it just for fun and got:

carrion$ ls -l /bin/login
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     sys       127024 Mar  6  1992 /bin/login
carrion$ ln -s /bin/login fred
carrion$ ls -l fred
l---------   1 vulture  user          10 Oct  8 10:13 fred -> /bin/login
carrion$ ls -lL fred
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     sys       127024 Mar  6  1992 fred
carrion$ chown cmaae47 fred
chown: fred: No permission match
carrion$ su   
Password:
# ls -lL fred
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     sys       127024 Mar  6  1992 fred
# chown cmaae47 fred
# ls -lL fred
-rwsr-xr-x   1 cmaae47  sys       127024 Mar  6  1992 fred
# ls -l fred
l---------   1 vulture  user          10 Oct  8 10:13 fred -> /bin/login
# chown root fred
# ls -lL fred
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     sys       127024 Mar  6  1992 fred
# 

Another useful way of handling it would be to force symlinks to be owned 
by root at all times, as they are effectively extensions of kernel data
structures.

                                             Thomas

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Gotcha - 3.10 compilers, inst, and 4.0.x
From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: doelz@urz.unibas.ch
Organization: EMBnet Switzerland [BASEL]   

In article <qrrh11k@zuni.esd.sgi.com>, olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
|> In <32963@adm.brl.mil> sgi.com!pdi!shoshana@BRL.MIL (Shoshana Abrass) writes:
|> |   I've been installing 4.0.5 on several new machines lately, and
|> |   I think I've discovered a "gotcha".
|> | 
|> 
|> The answer is simple. *Don't* install the maint images.  This is
|> one of the most broken areas of inst at the moment, and it seems
|> to have gotten worse post-4.0.1, unfortunately.
|> 
|> --
|> Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
|> because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
|>     Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
 
Just to add, it is impossible to upgrade 4.0.4 with 4.0.5.  on an indigo.
You need to go back to 4.0.1 with removing the maint and resinstalling it. 
Let me emphasize that this is a shame, and definitively differs from the 
good reputation SGI has in other areas. Being at a site where most SGI 
sysops are non-trained staff, I am very conderned about this development!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: Pizza-box R4000?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:26:05 GMT

If the "pizza-box R4000" has been officially announced as has
been suggested on this newsgroup, could someone post what
is known about this offering?

Thanks.
-- 
David M. Senseman, Ph.D.      |   A man who has never gone to school may steal 
(senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu)  |   from a freight car; but if he has a university
Division of Life Sciences     |   education, he may steal the whole railroad.
UT San Antonio                |             Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
From: blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov (Brent L. Bates ViGYAN AAD/TAB)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: chown and symbolic links
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:46:00 GMT


     Recently our system administrator changed all our user ids, this was so
each user would have the same id on all machines.  He used chown -R to change
the uid on each users home directory.  Everything seemed ok, however, when I
was doing a long listing of a directory, I notice that the ownership of NONE
of the symoblic links had changed.  We couldn't find any way of changing the
ownership of symbolic links.  Is this a bug, or a feature?!  I CAN delete the
symbolic links and then recreate them, but, I have quite a few of them and
would prefer a better way.  Thanks.

  Brent L. Bates				Phone:(804) 864-2854
  M.S. 361			  		  FAX:(804) 864-8469
  NASA Langley Research Center
  Hampton, Virginia  23681-0001
  E-mail: blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov or blbates@aero00.larc.nasa.gov
From: roger@rod.swmed.utexas.edu (Roger S. Noss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Mac-to-Indigo data transfer desired
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:33:40 GMT


I am using a Mac for data acquisition.  To transfer the data to the
Indigo, I have to login to the Indigo from the Mac via telnet, and
then use ftp to get the file.  Is there an easy, direct way to
cable the two computers together without getting using the network?

- Roger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi