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From: derek@netcom.com (Derek LeLash)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Bonny Doon info?
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:37:50 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I'm looking to make my first trip down to Bonny Doon this weekend, and I
have a couple of questions for any net.folk who've been there:

-  How early in the day would I have to leave (from SJ) to avoid most of the
   traffic I hear about on Highway 17?
-  What is the weather typically like there this time of year?  Can I get a
   report over the phone that morning?
-  How many people are usually there on a Saturday?
-  Will I have any trouble finding it? (I have Patrick's beach guide and a 
   map...)

Thanks,

Derek
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From: anderssen@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Any CO beachs/areas in queensland
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:29:11 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Would anyone know where a CO beach is in Queensland of Australia is.
This would be very appreciated.
thank you.
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JAY
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Top-Free vs. ClariNet
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:31:47 GMT

In article <pdjm7wd.tomrice@netcom.com> tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) writes:
>When ClariNet carried the news of the NY Top-Free court decision,
>it was in the .sex group.  Perhaps it's time for some consciousness-
>raising at C-Net; don't they have a .rec group?
>
>Anyway, it sorta bothered me....

Why should it bother you?  The word "sex," refers in its primary meaning
to the fact that most species on this planet come in two sexes.
The court case was a sex discrimination case in many people's eyes.

You are just confused because the coloquial meaning of "sex" has become
a reference to sexual relations.   I doubt this is why the story was
coded that way (I didn't do it.)   By to say that a story about a
case that's  debating whether women should be allowed to be topfree
where men are is not a sex (1st definition) story is nonsense.  What else is it?
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: I am wondering...  THEN GO AND WONDER NO MORE!
Summary: The ABSOLUTE TRUTH [tm]
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:34:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul28.231006.23913@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, darkroom@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen G Bowman) writes:

>   What is the official opinion?

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Long long ago in a galaxy far far away on:
*Wed Dec 21 16:07:41 PST 1988

THE QUESTION WAS ASKED:

*What if you are a guy and you get a hard on. Do you try and cover it 
*up (don't ask ME how) or does everyone just take it for granted 
*and politely ignore it?

*Or do nudists say that the problem never comes up due to self-control?


Hear Ye, Hear Ye!  Here is the OFFICIAL OPINION of REC.NUDE:


*This is a common question among newcomers to nudist activities.  In
*practice, it is nothing to worry about.  What usually happens is
*something like this:  You get an erection, somebody notices, points at
*you and yells, "Hey, look at the hard-on on that guy" or, "Look at that
*guy trying to hide his hard-on". Then everyone gathers around, pointing
*and laughing.  If you try to run away, they all follow you.  People
*start taking pictures.  Eventually, some mesomorph/homophobe thinks he
*catches you looking at his girlfriend/self and beats the hell out of
*you.  After this happens two or three times, you get conditioned to
*always go limp when you see a naked body.

*No problem.
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*The above is from the pen of al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) with some
*folklorish "modifications".


Terry
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.010428.12156@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>
>I too am 100% heterosexual, but I don't find it hard to control my sex
>drive. If you do, perhaps you should AVOID NUDE BEACHES.

				or avoid leaving your house .
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Newsgroups: rec.nude,soc.men
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: New York, Nudity, and Women
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:22:42 GMT

In article <3556@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:
>In article <Jul.20.13.54.38.1992.24348@remus.rutgers.edu>, clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>> I just wanted to comment that I'm very proud of the women who worked
>> for the recent ruling that allows women to go topless in New York.
>> Hopefully, society will eventually become enlightened to the point
>> where we are no longer ashamed of our bodies.  As for now, some women
>> now have the freedom that men have always had.
>
>But for how long is what I wonder.
>
>It will not take much time for some "fundy" group to decide that this offends
>them and that they need to protect women.


There is already a movement in the legislature to declare some
places off-limits to topless women so those who don't want to
see tits won't have to. If this passes constitutional muster, 
beaches will have top-optional sections and top-required sections.

I'm wondering how long it will be before some women decide 
they like being topless but they shouldn't have to put up 
with the gawking this can attract from some men. To solve
this problem of having men around while maintaining their
constitutionally mandated right to topless space, they will 
push for regulations keeping men out of the top-optional beaches.

That's OK. I'm sure the beaches for men and women, while separate, 
will be equal.



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
      There's something in my library to offend everybody.
        --- Washington Coalition Against Censorship
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Sex at CO site
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:51:49 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


>naturist@igc.org (Pat O'Brien) writes:
>>	The message must remain: Don't do it. It is indefensible and it is
>>illegal. Sex and our Naturist cause  Sex in public and our Naturist cause
>>do not mix.

In article <Bs7xr1.Inw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>I agree with your last sentence.  But I don't understand the preceding one.
>Legality aside, what is "indefensible" about having sex at a CO beach?
>I realize that it DOES offend some people, but that doesn't mean its
>wrong.

Well, let me take a shot at this.  I think the answer lies in looking at what
I will call our goals (admittedly, we do not all necessarily share the same
goals).  But I believe our goals are to open up as much public (and private,
for that matter) land to nude and clothing optional use as possible.  Along
with that I think we share the goal that nudity is not just an excuse for
sex.  Having sex at a public CO area is wrong and indefensible because it
undermines those goals.  This is not to say it is morally wrong nor is it
necessarily always illegal.

It is my opinion that when people are arguing against nude and CO sites they
always fall back on the sex=nudity issue.  This seems to get the anti-nude
groups the support they need.  They can not get the public support needed to
shut down nude beaches if they can't tie it to sexual activity.  Therein lies
the rub.  Even one couple (or lone person) having sex at a public nude or CO
site gives the forces of repression the ammunition they need.  That is why
it is wrong and indefensible.

=============================================================================

Just for the record I think sex outdoors is great.  I have not had sex on any
nude or CO beaches because of a lack of privacy.  I have had sex in meadows
and forests when there was sufficient privacy and I highly recommend it.  But
PLEASE, be sure only you and your partner(s) are in the vicinity, you don't
need to give an innocent observer a story to tell for the rest of her/his
life.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Attention GLENM
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:55:11 GMT

I received your email but can't seem to get through.  My message keep
getting sent back.  Could you please email me any alternative addresses.

Stephane
From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Starting a Youth nudist group
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:16:49 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

In <b4gm67l.pdh@netcom.com> pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) writes:

>dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green) writes:
>
>>An aside -- When I was in high school back in the '60s, Regis Philbin (who
>>worked for a TV station here in San Diego at the time) came to our school 
>>and spoke on the evils of a magazine called "Teenage Nudists."
>
>What did he say was evil about it?
>
>Who put out such a magazine anyway?

Sorry, that was back in 1963 and I was just a little freshman who probably
wasn't even paying attention. Best I can do is reproduce the caption from
beneath a photo in the yearbook. The picture has Regis at a podium with his
finger raised in the air as people do when they are making a point. The
caption says: "...and they call it _Teenage Nudist_." Part of the reason he
was there was that he was a Notre Dame grad and it was an Augustinian high
school. He was a local Catholic celebrity at the time. And look at him now.

dcg :>

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     System Operator of Pro-Harold BBS
   "Moral Support For Intelligent Sorts"
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From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: my first experience on CO beach (was Re: sex vs nudity)
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:33:59 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Jul29.214015.1450@cc.tut.fi> ta66863@cc.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero) writes:
>
>HI All !!!!!

>at home and like to go COed saunas, but this was my first visit at CO
>beach because it isn't so close to where I live.

>So we had fun, got some sunburns, and feeling that we'll come back and maybe 
>bring some of our friends too.
>
>Tero and Elina
>
>Hopefully someone was interested enough to read this all :)


Thanks for posting this!  My Finnish blood is curious about CO recreation in
Finland, and your post was fresh and descriptive.
Are COed saunas quite common and popular?  My mother once told me that their
saunas were separated for males and females.  In a country so fond of saunas,
I would expect many CO beaches, or is there some political/religious
resistance, such as the "traditional family value" thing of right-wing
American politics?

I think you would both enjoy California very much!

__________________
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dsolis@koko.csustan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: In Toronto this weekend
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:26:36 GMT

Hi all

Lynn and I will be in Toronto Saturday morning and staying at
the Ponderosa club from then through Monday. If any of you in
the area want to get together for tea or something, drop me
a line.

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Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: KANSAS CITY NUDISTS
From: aali@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:16:21 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Hi!  I need to find out if there are nudist groups in the Kansas City
area. If anyone have any information regarding this PLEASE send it to me.
    
         thanks
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Age: The Naked Truth
Date: 30 Jul 1992 20:24:12 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu
Keywords: none


I tried to email my response but mailers here didn't think Mikes address
was any good.  So I guess everybody gets to read my comments.

In article <> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>I'm 49 years old.  I read this newsgroup because, although I've
>never even been to a CO beach, I'm interested in the subject and
>am slowly but surely working myself up to visiting one.  A far
>more difficult hurdle will be talking my wife into joining me.
>
>Admittedly, I haven't been lurking here very long, so age is a
>subject that may already have been discussed.  Most posters are
>probably younger than I am, and I wonder:  What is the age
>spread at CO beaches and clubs?  Are we old-timers represented
>in any numbers?

I am 40, but have been a nudist since birth. :-)  Many of the Camping
Bares are over 40.  [We are trying to get more younger members by having
more activities that appeal to younger people.]  Our #1 member (one of the
originators of the Camping Bares) is 69 and holding (has been for a few
years).  She became a nudist at age 51 when her nieces and nephews
took her to Blacks Beach for the first time.

So yes, you old-timers are well represented.  Good luck with your wife.
Keep reading the group and from time to time you'll see ideas on how
to introduce her to the lifestyle.  The two predominate ways are 1) take
her to a secluded beach, wooded area or whatever where the two of you
can enjoy natural nudity without others to disturb you.  2) Show her one
of the many naturists videotapes that emphasize the fun and safety of the
lifestyle.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton				Camping Bares
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu			P.O. Box 81589
aka Happy Bare					San Diego, CA 92138-1589
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Theriault)
Subject: Sally Jesse Raphael show 
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division, Vancouver, CANADA
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:41:31 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
X-Phone: +1 604 241 6421

Well, the Sally show on Monday (which I taped and watched specifically
because of the topic) dealt with people who like to wear less and show
more in public.

Guests included: a 15-year old girl who likes to wear a bikini in public,
and her mom who objects mainly because her daughter is a bit well endowed;
a heavy woman who dresses like madonna; a man who wears his thong not
just at the beach; Gwen Jacob, a woman who feels tops are unnecessary
if its hot; a woman who got shooed out of a mall for wearing a minidress;
and a woman who thinks all this corrupts small minds and is against
"judeo-christian social norms and ethics".

To be fair, Sally was being very balanced, except towards the teenager,
and managed to turn the tables on "miss right" the woman who thought
this kind of exposure would corrupt children...

Woman: (holding up book) this book describes how children who grow up
in these environments turn out to be abnormal

Sally: does this apply to Italy, where such nudity is normal?

Woman: (flustered) well, they're a different society...

Sally: aren't they Catholic? Doesn't the Pope live there? Yet they...

Woman: (dismissive) well, that's a whole 'nother talk show...

That exchange cracked me up... too bad they had to cut to a commercial
(which is of course the entire purpose of the show...) and didn't
finish her off!

Gwen described what had transpired last July; apparently, she spoke to
a cop for quite a while before continuing on her way, but then was
arrested later because some people across the street called the police.

The audience was mixed; some were supportive, and some were not. One
woman in the audience was so supportive, she was attired in a one-piece
thong swimsuit.

In all, it was an interesting show, with Sally gradually showing
how unjust society is by trying to impose dress standards on
people (how fat do you have to be before you're not allowed to dress
like Madonna? Just how short can a dress be? Why should women have
to be afraid of exposing their bodies?)

A refreshing change from Geraldo!

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Age: The Naked Truth
Keywords: none
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:51:49 GMT


I'm 49 years old.  I read this newsgroup because, although I've
never even been to a CO beach, I'm interested in the subject and
am slowly but surely working myself up to visiting one.  A far
more difficult hurdle will be talking my wife into joining me.

Admittedly, I haven't been lurking here very long, so age is a
subject that may already have been discussed.  Most posters are
probably younger than I am, and I wonder:  What is the age
spread at CO beaches and clubs?  Are we old-timers represented
in any numbers?

Mike Lynch
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: 'Selling' nudism
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:08:03 GMT

In article <h4cmylc.tcumming@netcom.com> tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming) writes:
>In article <ritter.711642577@claude> ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
>>I was thinking, over the weekend, of the problem of getting society to accept
>>social nudity, and the answer came to me.  We just need to use modern
>>advertising practices to get the message across.  Get an ad agency to develop
>>some ads using the buzzwords of the month, and put them on  TV.  If you see
>>it on TV, it must be OK, right?  Here's an example:
>>
>[ Humorous satirical text deleted... ]
							      
A good idea, but advertising (especially TV) costs BIG bucks.  Finding
the money to fund such an exercise would not be an easy task.  Nonetheless,
TNS *does* periodically place ads in print, and I understand  they have
a tentative agreement to air a TV commercial in NY state, but I also
understand that it will be late at night (mixed in with the phone-sex ads?)
which may not do any good.

For anyone considering such advertising, be careful not to *waste* those
advertising dollars.  Campus newspapers might be a good place to advertise
(cheaper rates and a more receptive audience).  But the best thing is to
use the media to do your advertising for you---create a news release and
send it out on the wire.  Write it from an outsiders point of view so that
newspaper can use it as is.  With a little luck a local paper might pick
up on the story and send their own reporter to find out more.  Not only
is this advertising virtually free, but the readers are more likely to
believe a "news story" than an ad.  (I don't know how you actually go
about doing this, but I like to know how I'm being manipulated by the media
and believe me this sort of "non-advertising" is used a *lot* by big
businesses.)

Completely off-topic....someone said that TV stations don't allow the NRA
to advertise, but lately I've been seeing a *lot* of NRA ads on stations
in WA.  (Reminds me of recent letter to theeditor that commented on
the hypocracy of US lawmakers who want to ban water guns while permitting
*real* guns.)
>
>    In order to sell this idea to the film writers, you could say "how 'bout
>having naked people runing around on your show", i.e., use the percieved
>sexual aspect (and increased ratings and $$$) to sell the idea. But soon
>the viewer will see naked people as "normal" (as long as the context is not
>sexual), and we will have achieved our goal of "social nudity acceptance"!

A bit too simplistic I think, but still a good idea.

Bill.

-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Non-nudist comments
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:28:42 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>Normally I don't carry any fish in my pants pockets a grocery bag is much
more appropriatet

Actaully cods refers to nuts. It's old word not much in vogue, guess I was
just showing my age :)

No of course this will probably result in posts about not carrying coconuts
in their pockets, or walnuts for those of us less well endowed.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!leed
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Western US hot springs/out of the way locations
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:25:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> ray@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (william c ray) writes:
>(yes, I'm aware that the FAQ has information on a couple western US
>books w/ resorts, etc, but we're not interested in resorts or populated
>areas, the less likely we are to see another human face, the better)

Pleas don't shortchange the FAQ folks.  There is loads of useful information
on all sorts of places which can be garnished from that document.  

And PLEASE, buy the books and sign up for the clubs/groups you are interested
in.  Doing so marks the existence of another person interested in clothing
optional activities and makes our case that nude use areas are popular and
valuable stronger.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton				Camping Bares
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu			P.O. Box 81589
aka Happy Bare					San Diego, CA 92138-1589
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