From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Fete Nationale du Quebec
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:14:54 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Aug31.150508.2052@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
>In article <BttnwF.MKu@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.143009.1217@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
>>>
>>>St. Jean Batiste Day (I hope that spelling isn't TOO far off!) is in
>>
>>Official title is Quebec National Day (Fete Nationale du Quebec)
>>
>Sundry other corrections omitted...
>
>>>  (c) They're not separatists.  Not all celebrators are necessarily
>>>  separatists, but there is certainly a tendancy...  Why would someone
>>>  that doesn't want Quebec to leave Canada "celebrate" a day whose
>>>  primary purpose is to assert Quebec nationalism.
>>
>>This is irrelevant.
>
>Irrelevant?!?  When the majority of the participants are there to
>celebrate the fact that they want their nation to leave Canada, this
>fact is irrelevant?!?

There something wrong somewhere in the redneck group.
Someone said that majority of Quebec are not independentist.
And you said that most participants in Quebec national day
are separatist or pro.  But, if you can't accept Quebecois as
they are, why is it that bad to want Quebec not to be in the same
country as people like you who are against what Quebecois are?

>
>>>
>>>  (d) They're the "ENEMY."  After all the dumping on that Denis and
>>>  others have done on the anglo-quebecois, I certainly wouldn't want
>>>  to come to HIS party, and the anglo-quebecois probably think the
>>>  same.
>>
>>If the situation is French against English, they are enemies.  But,
>>who created this situation ?  OK, I know, the French because they lost
>>on Abraham Plains. 
>
>The issue is the Nationalist holiday, not the Plains of Abraham.

Quebec National Day has been voted years after Quebecois elected a
government in favor of Quebec secession.

>In case it's hard to tell - it wasn't anglophones that created the
>celebrations, and it's not anglophones that are celebrated.

Because they DO NOT ACCEPT the French reality, the fact they are
a minority in Quebec that was privileged for years and that they
will be no more.
>
>>>
>>>(Denis:)
>>>>   A wide majority of Francos favor a similar structure.
>>>
>>>It is just SO typical here that you consider that the thoughts of the
>>>Francos is the ONLY thing worth considering.

Obviously, before 1976 (1980?), I have not seen any anglophone
fighting for the right of francophones out of Quebec.  They
tolerated some situation, but never promoted the French.  ANd if
some did, they were some few that they were like talking in desert.

>>
>>Has the democracy other bases that the will of majority? 
>
>That is ONE of the definitions of democracy.  It is a DANGEROUS
>definition, in that it allows the justification of all sorts of evils.
>The term is the "tyrrany of the majority."

Gosh.  You prefer to give the government to a minority having
some privilege?  I'm not in favor of that.

>
>If some action is desired the majority, and harms a minority, this
>form of democracy SHOULD do that action, whether it's the issue of
>increasing some tax that only the minority pays, or if it's an issue
>of repression.  At various times, this has been used to injure people.

This was used against the francophones for centuries.  Why can't the
anglophones accept this a single year?

>If you're claiming that the use of the "tyrrany of the majority" makes
>repression in Quebec morally good, that's fine.  Don't expect anybody
>to respect that moral stance.

A majority of Quebecois is nobody?  

>Christopher Browne
>cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca

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