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From: csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Driver problem
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:27:50 GMT

mclean@cm.deakin.oz.au (Stewart McLean) writes:

>	Could the problem be that my Driver has to stiff a shaft with
>	to light a head or is it just me. Oh, just one more thing 
>	that might help. My friend's Driver weighs considerably more 
>	that mine. I weighed the two on the kitchen scales and 
>	fould that my Driver is at least 50 grams lighter than my friends.
>	I tried putting lead tape on my Driver but this made no
>	improvement.


Get the driver checked out by a pro. Take in your iron and the
driver and get the swing weights compared.

The driver should be light, it is meant to be the lightest club
in your bag.

The other problem which exists is that once a club becomes a
real problem sometimes the only thing to do is to get rid of it.
I had a Taylor Made Spoon I could never hit no matter how well
I was hitting the rest of my clubs. It was a mental thing.

Trade it on a new one but get a pro to help select the new
driver for you. Don't just buy the first one which catches your
eye.

(Stuart lives near me so a bit of local advise. I don't know
where you play or which pro you see but you cannot do any better
than to talk to Alan Schenk in Moorabool St. he will ensure you
buy or do what you need.)
-- 
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Email: csb@gdwb.OZ.AU		Geelong & District Water Board
Phone: +61 52 262506		61-67 Ryrie St Geelong
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From: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Masters
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:48:32 GMT
Reply-To: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology

Hello again,

My bets are:

1. Jose Maria Olazabal
2. Fred Couples
3. Davis Love III

Furthermore, I think it will be one of the tighest masters ever. 

Odd Ivar Lindland
  ^
PS: Don't laugh - it is my given name....
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Bravo, Ray (Re: Well done Fred)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:51:47 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1992Apr14.212604.6676@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards) writes:
>griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
>: Floyd's birdie on 14 was'nt lucky and he intended it to clatter into the
>: hole? Couples played solid, good quality golf throughout the Masters and
>
>Ray Floyd is the best chipper on the tour.  He made a conscious
>decision to be the best chipper, and worked hard at it.  When other
>golfers chip in, it's luck -- when Ray chips in, it's skill (OK, a
>slight exaggeration).

Very slight.  He said after the round that it was the best
chip he'd ever shot.

Obviously he was trying to hole it (the "hit it into a
three-foot circle" thing is for those who have no pride),
and I think his intention was exactly to have the ball
check itself on the hump and then roll to the hole (I've
done this many times, getting maybe 70% of the desired
effect, but not nearly as well as Ray's shot).  He would
have determined the break and the grain and chosen the spot
for the ball to bounce.  I believe he hit it exactly as he
wanted, but not that he believes he can do it nine times
out of ten.

I think Ray Floyd is the hero of this year's Masters, taking
his incredibly ugly swing and showing us where to put it.

				--Blair
				  "Sometimes things just work."
From: thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Myrtle Beach
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:35:41 GMT
Reply-To: thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson)
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <1992Apr17.134024.8693@linus.mitre.org> dlw@sdimax2.mitre.org (Weissman) writes:
>I know this has probably been discussed in the past, but...
>
>If anyone has any information on golfing in and around
>Mrytle Beach, I'd be interested in hearing from you.  I'd
>love to get some course recommendations, hopefully
>indluding location and tee time info.
>
>Also, any other info on the area (restaurants, beaches,
>etc.) would be great.
>
>I just found out that I'll have use of a condo just
>south of Myrtle Beach the week of Memorial Day and would
>like to do as much planning ahead as possible.
>
>I'll summarize and post any info I receive if people
>would like to see it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>-Dan (dlw@mitre.org)

I prefer courses that don't slap on huge surcharges and let
you walk in the afternoon (for another 9 or 18).  On the
North Side, you might try:

   Robber's Roost
   Eagle Nest
   Possum Trot
   Bay Tree

Nice but require carts all the time, try:

   Heather Glen
   Oyster Bay Links

There are lots of other courses.  Suggestion:  Call Myrtle Beach
Chamber of Commerce.  They'll be glad to send you a huge packet of
info.

PS  I was disappointed with Myrtle Beach National (both West & South
Courses).

S

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: brad@meaddata.com (Brad Craig)
Subject: Re: Backspin Out Of Sand
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:00:14 GMT

In article <703086242.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com>, David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
|> 
|> How does one get BACKSPIN on a ball that is exploded out of  a  sand
|> trap?  You can see the pros do it, but HOW?  My understanding of the
|> basic sand trap explosion shot is the old "hit two inches behind the
|> ball  and  let the sand push the ball out".  This means the clubface
|> grooves never touch the ball to impart backspin.  What am I  missing
|> here????
|> 

I don't know the exact answer to your question, and I would also like
to know how to get more spin.  I was curious about a shot the Fred Couples,
"Masters Champion" '92 (has a nice ring to it!), hit from a bunker.
The exact hole escapes me.  It was on Friday or Saturday. I didn't see
it live, only on replay.  Anyway, Freddy holed the shot, and he was in
the middle front of the bunker and only had a few feet of green
between himself and the pin. When he hit the shot he let go of the club
with his right hand, and his follow through was with the left hand
only on the club. The announcers said something about that but I
didn't quite catch what they were talking about, since it wasn't live.
Does anyone know if this was intentional? Was it to get more spin on
the ball?  Curious minds wnat to know.

-- 
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From: eisenman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Frank Eisenman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: PGA & Couples stats
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:37:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Couples is definitely on a roll.  Count it.  In the first three months of
this year he has won 3 tournaments.  I don't see him getting any worse, so
I think it wouldn't be hard to say Couples might win 10 or more tourneys by 
the end of the year.  Also he has already won over a million dollars this
year, amazing.

Here are some statistics that you may find interesting ...

Most PGA Tournament Wins By Year
--------------------------------
1991 (2)  Woosnam, Pavin, Andrade, Purtzer, Brooks, N. Price, Couples,
	  and Andrew Magee.
1990 (4)  Wayne Levi

-> The last player to win 5 or more was ...
1980 (6)  Tom Watson

-> The last player to win 10 or more was ...
1950 (11) Sam Snead

-> But, the all-time king as far as this stat is concerned is ...
1945 (18) Byron Nelson

-> Honorable Mention ...
1948 (10) Ben Hogan
1946 (13) Ben Hogan

-> As you can see we haven't had a dominant player in quite some time, even
	Nicklaus' best year was ...
1972, 1973 (7) Nicklaus

-> Interesting tidbits about these stats ...
In 1945 Byron Nelson won 11 of those 18 IN A ROW!  He actually won 12 tourneys
in a row, but the event at Spring Lake, NJ had a purse of only $2500.00, which
was below the $3000.00 minimum set by the PGA.  The PGA major was in that
string of 11.  Also it was during WWII, a year that the Masters was even
cancelled.  So that might have something to do with it.

So saying Couples might win 10 or more is definitely outlandish, however I
think he can do it.  Go Freddy.

Now about the $ ...

Past PGA Leading Money-Winners
------------------------------
1991  $979,430.00	Corey Pavin
1990  $1,165,477.00	Greg Norman
1989  $1,395,278.00	Tom Kite
1988  $1,147,644.00	Curtis Strange

There was never more than a million per year prior to this.

So saying that Couples has ALREADY won over $1,000,000.00 this year is out
of this world, especially compared to his earnings of $792,000.00 last year.

I think Freddy is going to be at the top for a long time, it couldn't have
happened to a better competitor.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:24:22 GMT

In article <griffinb.703178291@unix1.tcd.ie>, griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
|> 
|> What lucky streak are you talking about, Madhav? Are you saying that
|> Floyd's birdie on 14 was'nt lucky and he intended it to clatter into the
|> hole? Couples played solid, good quality golf throughout the Masters and
|> could well go on to win many more majors. He may be on a hot streak but
|> that does'nt mean he's on a lucky streak!
|> 
|> It seems pretty obvious that an American will win the US Open because
|> the Europeans have done crap. I think the US Open is probably the
|> hardest major to win and, like any US Open course Pebble Beach is tough.
|> Which reminds me of the piece of "luck" Tom Watson had there!


  Which reminds me of a story about Ben Hogan. Seems Ben was practicing before
  a tournament and was hitting iron shots to a green - all the balls landing
  around the flagstick. When Ben walked to the green a spectator shouted -
  "Hey, Hogan - you're the luckiest golfer alive!!".

  Ben replied, "You know, the more I practice - the luckier I get!!"

 You don't accomplish what Fred Couples has by luck. 

 -Ron Birnbaum
  ron@osf.org


|> 
|> Brendan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: six drivers; can anyone beat that?
Keywords: You bet!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:57:33 GMT

Yeah, but it helps to be able to "rip" it 280 yards! :-)

>Mark Koenig, Optimization Specialist
>CONVEX Computer Corporation         koenig@convex.com
>P.O. Box 833851  M.S. SAL           Phone: (214) 497-4298
>Richardson, Texas  75083-3851       FAX:   (214) 497-4550


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"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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From: sasdrf@daedalus.unx.sas.com (Dave Frederick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:03:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr7.120338.26776
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasdrf@daedalus.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 2248

In article <92096.110708DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
|>
|> I have seen several postings lately extolling the virtues of cavity back irons.
|>
|> I could not disagree more. I will never forget the first time I hit my cavity
|> back irons. I was never so disappointed in my golfing life. I had
|> been playing with an old set of Haig Ultras (at least 25 years old). They must
|> be classics by now. The cavity back irons made absolutely no difference in
|> the flight of the ball or the carry. A ball hit properly with any club will
|> produce a satisfactory result.

You're missing the point! A ball hit _improperly_ with a cavity back
perimeter weighted idiot proof club will produce much better results
than a similar mishit with a blade. Since I have been known to play a
less than perfect shot from time-to-time, cavity-back clubs help me
quite a bit. Most PGA tour members have significantly fewer mishits,
and prefer the feel of blades (where you can use your own swing) over
that of weighted clubs (where the engineer designed a swing for you).
If your swing is consistent enough that the cavity backs don't help
at all, let's not play for money, ok?

|> I have read a number of articles (Golf Digest
|> etc.) that have shown through independant testing with machines like Iron
|> Byron that there is no significant difference. I still play my 25 year old
|> forged Haig Ultras now and then and they seem to produce my best rounds. It
|> is probably all in my head, just like the idea that cavity back irons are
|> game improvement clubs. My game has improved quite a bit since I got my
|> cavity back clubs but I am sure that it is because of some lessons and a lot
|> of work. Anyone who believes that buying Pings or 845s will be a quick fix
|> for their game is buying a lot of Madison Avenue hype.

Certainly lessons and practice will make a bigger difference than
equipment. But when I bought my first set of cavity backed irons (some
fairly cheap MacGregor DX's) about 5 years ago, my irons _suddenly_ went
higher and straighter, with no loss of distance, and my game improved
a few strokes in a couple of weeks.

I guess golfers are individuals, too!

Dave Frederick                          sasdrf@unx.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.154609.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>,
clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO

Should we?
Naw, it would be too easy.
Joe
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: skip
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:50:58 GMT

In <1992Apr14.112900.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>I have a set of Titlest DTRs for sale.  They are the blade-type irons, and the
>year they were bought was 1986.  The Woods are Persimmon, and there is a
>Driver, three and four wood.  The irons range from 2-pw.  If anyone is
>interested, please email me.  Thanks.-- 

Are you sure the DTR's are blade-type ? The DTR's (Distance Through Research)
have always been a heavily-offset cavity-backed cast club.

On the side note, I just called Titleist to inquire about the possiblity of
a forged cavity-backed club. With the trend in these type of clubs, I figured
Titleist would join the field since their DCI line resembles the shape of
other forged c-b clubs. The Titleist guy said that one will soon be available.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: All this talk about the pros clubs...
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:09:12 GMT

CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick) writes:
:
: The larger sweet spots only teach you
: to miss-hit the ball "well." It makes it more difficult
: to determine what makes a ball fly the same way every time
: cause so many swings produce similar results. Therefore,
: you only score better, and learn slower.
: 
:

I disagree.  You can still feel/see the difference between a well hit
shot and a poorly hit shot -- the poorly hit shots just go straighter.
Maybe a "palyer's" club feels even worse on a poorly hit shot than a
"game improvement" club, but theres still plenty of feel.

Even if you do learn a little slower (I doubt it) if it's more fun,
you'll play more, stick with it longer and end up better in the end.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Uh-oh --  WHY am I
Rosemount Inc.                                |suddenly thinking of a
                                              |VENERABLE religious leader
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |frolicking on a FORT
                                              |LAUDERDALE weekend?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: drew@rakoth.ic.cmc.ca (Andrew Scott)
Subject: RTP Golf Courses?
Keywords: course
Reply-To: scott@rakoth.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: CMC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:42:50 GMT

Does anyone have any suggestions for good courses near 
Research Triangle Park, NC?

thanks,
pds
From: zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: <None>
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:20:29 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr7.165126.25887@cbnews.cb.att.com>, dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme) writes:
> 
> My wife has expressed a slight interest in learning golf.  So, I've
> been looking for a good beginner's set for her.  I can't really see
> paying $300.00 or more for a set since my wife has never played before
> and may not even like the game.  However, I would like to get her a
> set that would be good to learn with.
> 
> 
> David DeLorme
> AT&T Bell Labs
> 614 860-2019

When I was first coerced into trying golf I wasn't really sure whether I'd
like the game or if the game would like me.  I opted to go the used club
route.  We have the "want ad press" in NJ.  This is a weekly publication
that is a clearing house for people wanting to sell everything from Rolex
watches to rototillers.  I just cruised through the "Want ads" for a couple
of weeks until I found a good set of cheap clubs.  That last line might sound
like a contradiction of terms, but good bargins can be found.  I would bet
that your area has a similar publication.  Full sets of beginners clubs (irons
and woods) with bag can be had for <$250.

Its great that your wife want to try golf.  One hint: don't try to teach her
yourself.  I've lost a couple of girlfriends that way until I wised-up;much
more stressful than teaching someone to drive (a car).
-- 
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*     Predoctoral Fellow              *  Graduate school of biomedical Sci.   *
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From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Subject: Re: Beginner's clubs
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:01:37 GMT


My mom got me some Judy Rankin cheapy clubs.  It was the starter set with
a putter, 2 woods, and 4 irons.  They have worked great.  If I decide I
really like playing I will invest more than a hundred dollars...but for
now they are more than enough.  

Jennifer
From: oze@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.orzechowicz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Beginners' Lessons (was Re: Beginner'S Clubs)
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:33:43 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <702783659.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:

.......much good beginner's advice on club purchasing, etc...

>range) , don't forget to spend some money on golf lessons PERSONALLY
>taught by a pro (group lessons are a joke except  for  just  getting
>your feet wet).  

I have to disagree here.  I started to play seriously about 3 1/2
years ago, with basically no clue as to grip, stance, etc.  I signed
up for a continuing education course at the local college, which was
Beginners' Golf".  The course was held at the driving range of a NICE
country club, taught by a pro who really cared.  I quickly unlearned
the bad stance, grip and swing habits I had begun, and soon had
some good habits ingrained.      

The class covered everything from full swing through chipping, sand
play and putting.  There were 10 of us in the group, and the pro
made sure to spend equal time with us individually, as well as the
group "lecture".  My scores went from the mid 120's to low 100's
after this class (two half hour sessions a week for 5 weeks--$65.00).

When the class was finished, I asked the pro for individual lessions.
He actually told me to wait a couple of weeks and work on the things
learned in the group lessions.  Turned down the 25 bucks for the
half hour lession I wanted!  

Anyway, sorry I rambled.  I HIGHLY recommend one set of group lessions
for the total beginner, since you can learn a lot of the basics
during this time.  Somehow, paying the prices for individual lessons
to learn the grip, stance, etc. seems like a waste.  Of course, you
should progress to these individual lessons once you have the basics
mastered.  Incidentally, I now see the pro about 4 times a year.  I 
shoot in the mid-high 80's, and am now learning to "work" the ball.
You know how to hit fades and draws ON PURPOSE ! :-)

Dave Orzechowicz
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:37:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns-mx.12173
Organization: ISCA

In article <1992Apr13.160453.113488@watson.ibm.com> tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Fred probably won't win at Pebble because he hits a high shot, if its windy,
>I don't see him winning, although I expect him to be in the top 10.
>For the US OPEN, the rough will be 4-6 inches, as oppose to Augusta, where its
>an only inch (maybe next year they'll let it grow to prevent the low scores).
>This will put a premium on hitting accurate drives or hitting it so far
>that you are only hitting a short iron (like Daly did in the PGA).
>If weather is good and Freddy is on, I think he can win, I don't think he
>played that well at the Masters, and he still won.

If you've followed Couples' career as long and as closely as I have you would
certainly not count him out if its windy!  When he's striking the ball well (as
he has done all year) he is practically unbeatable in the wind!  There have
been a couple days in past British Opens where he as the only player under par
*including* the Europeans!

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