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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:53:57 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion
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>What is similiar but alot worse IMHO is muscician/performers forgetting
>they're muscians and becoming politicians or fighting for a cause.
>and forgetting their reason for becoming musicians in the first place
>which in most case is wasn't to save the whales, but for love of music
>I guess it's whatever sells ?

Pretty cynical view, and could very well be wrong in a lot of instances.
How do you know that people like Michael Stipe or the singer for Midnight
Oil didn't get into music for the exact reason that they could "do some
good"?  It's certainly an aspect of art that should not be overlooked,
I*My*HO.

Do you really think Stipe pushes all those "save the whales" type causes
because that'll sell records?  I'm sure there are people who'll join
any cause if it serves them, but it seems that the artist crowd has
always been outspoken on social/environmental issues, historically not
the types of issues that bring in the masses.  Now that we've decided
those issues are important, the artists are pushing "whatever sells"?
Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

Russ
From: gerry@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.D.Pratt)
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Subject: Re: John Hiatt
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:14:06 GMT
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ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny) writes:
  >I'm just wondering if any of y'all have listened to J.H.'s
  >Bring The Family album Ry Cooder and Jim keltner are on it and
  >it is a very moving album. Hiatt's life right b4 that was in turmoil
  >and that album reflects his trials and tribulations, outstanding album
  >with a country,blues,rock blend.
  
  Ditto. It's amazing to think that these are the same guys that put out
  the IMHO lousy Little Village album last year.
  
Yes I thought the Little Village album had very weak songs compared to
BTF which was a real cracker. However Little Village played a live set in 
London (UK) about a month ago, broadcast on Radio 1 FM, and did about 3 
tracks off BTF which were IMHO the highlight of the the set. I think
Little Village have the _potential_ to produce a great album sometime
they just need some good strong songs.
gerry
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:55:39 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: The new censationship
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Seb,
  I argree with you 100%.  I'm just wondering what your views are on what
is exposed to the children of today's society.  Should we allow them to see
all the violence and others things that people feel need to be censored?
                 Coll
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:34:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Great Speckled Bird

>From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
>Also I love that some of that OLD country, like Great
>Speckled Bird (?) (I'm really bad on remembering titles.)

Are you referring to the Great Speckled Bird that was really
Ian and Sylvia in disguise and had one very good album on
Bearsville Records?  Or was there an earlier group that
used that name?

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:00:21 EST
From:         "W. John Weber" <WWEBER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Country Music
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Date sent: 28-JUL-1992

     Okay, it's time for my two cents....

     After living in Nashville for a while, occasionally going to songwriter
nights, etc., I discovered something interesting.  I like most of the songs in
country music, I just can't stand the performances.  If you hear some of these
songs performed by the songwriters, the emphases are on the right phrases, the
humor comes through the interpretation, there's often a great deal of
intelligence to the music.  However, most country stars have no interpretive
talent, and just try to make their voices as overblown-country-hick as
possible.  And the studio musicians, left to their own, will play the most
amazing things you've ever heard, but are forced by the producers to play as
"hick"-ey as possible.  Check out country singer-songwriters like Mary Chapin
Carpenter, Roseanne Cash, and Don Henry (yes, that's an 'r', not an 'l'), if
you want to hear 'good' country music.  Unfortunately, many of these people are
not accepted by the country mainstream.
     Achey Breakey Heart is an exception.  It's a bad song by a bad artist.  I
hear it was the signature song of a band in Terre Haute, Indiana (I could be
wrong about the city, but the state is correct) who tried to sell it in
Nashville for many years before Billy Ray's producers picked it up.

                                           - W. John Weber

Email: wweber@ucs.indiana.edu          | It'd be nice if we could set all this
P.O. Box 22, Bloomington, IN 47402     | [sound equipment] up and look at it
Phone: (812)330-4965 (touch-tone pager)| for a while, then tear it down, and
                                       | not have to deal with the performers.
                                       |                          - Anon.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: dig this
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:56:36 GMT

Article 11053 of rec.music.bluenote:

From the Los Angelese Times, as excerpted in an AT&T public relations
newsgroup:

         JAZZ NOTE -- Saxophonist-composer Ornette Coleman has received a 
         $19,000 grant from Meet the Composer/Rockefeller Foundation/AT&T 
         Jazz Program to write a 40-minute work for eight to 20 performers 
         to be premiered at the 1993 Los Angeles Festival.  Trumpeter Cecil 
         Bridgewater was another MTC recipient, and he will concoct a 30-
         minute work for a 17-piece band that will be dedicated to the late 
         alto great Cannonball Adderley. ... Among the other grantees was 
         percussionist Adam Rudolph ... LA Times, F21, 7/24
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:10:54 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: Losing My Religion
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All this stuff about Dylan.  Speaking of stuff, is there songs about turkeys?

Announcement: Garth Brooks will be in Roanoke on Sept. 25
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:22:00 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tunnel hearing
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              "Michael" at Jul 29, 92 11:31 am

Apparently some French anthropologists in New Guinea brought along some Edith
Piaf and played it for some aborigines who had never heard
Western music--they couldn't stand the sound of it and ran away screaming.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:43:43 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: other groups
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              Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny" at Jul 23, 92 6:07 pm

>
> >does anyone know of other groups that deal with blues or guitar i could
> >subscribe to. If there isn't there ought to be.
>
> If you find any, please let me know too!
>
> -Adam
>
Why don't you start one?
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:05:11 EDT
From:         "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject: Re: Traffic
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	HI

	The coolest thing about traffic was the guy playing his sax through his wah-wah
 pedal. I had always wondered what he was doing and when I recently saw the Live
 show (early 70's) which is now on TV there he was with the wah. Pretty wild.

					DMG
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:36:03 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: Dylan
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Billy Rae has Dylan's creativitity and his talent.  All country music singers
sing better than Dylan anyway.  Dylan sings like a broken record player.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:07:38 KST
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Subject:      welton
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It's an APO address in Korea; I'm stationed over here in Taegu, working
for the military, so it's no problem to send thru military mail.

ROTCOD ZZAJ

P.S.  LOOKIN FORWARD!
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:29:29 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: They're creepy and they're kooky
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              Megaphone of Destiny" at Jul 21, 92 9:19 am

>>> Gentle Giant _Three Friends_
>>Did you ever get into this one?

>It's still growing on me. I've been playing it a couple times a week. When
>I originally posted that after listening to it in my car. I've learned my
>lesson that this is not the best way to get into some types of music.

This disk definately needs time to grow on you, but even after the first
listen, I though it was interesting.

>>Also, where did you find Urban Ambience? Newbury Comics?

>Yup, the one on Newbury Street. There was one left after I bought it, so you
>might want to practice the ole sales pitch again... 8)

Well, maybe they'll have more by this Friday!

BTW - Can anyone direct me to a store in the immediate Boston area that
stocks a good selection of boots, CD or otherwise? I've been told of a
store "somewhere" on Mass ave. but I could search for that store all day...

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
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Subject: Re: Losing My Religion
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:30:00 GMT
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>How many musicians do you know who "got saved" or found one religion or
>another and all of a sudden their music went to hell?

        A lot of names have been made. Anyway it may be worth remembering
that one of the most incredible mish-mash of religion and devilish feelings
actually takes place into a guy called Nick Cave (who plays with a band
called The Bad Seeds). Amazing to say the least... completely mystical and
yet completely damned. An obvious case when music and religion hold on to-
gether :)...

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:57:46 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: country blues
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Could someone give a definition and examples of country blues?
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:47:43 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
              27 Jul 1992 14:42:29 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

The interveiw was in a book by Stanley Booth called "rythm oil" it's
about music in the south mainly Memphis it covers Otis, Furry lewis,
Janis joplin, mississpi john hurt, z.z.top(?), and lots more.
In one section he tells of Albert stepping up at the filmore to head-
cut on B.B. it doesn't end like you would expect it to. I see you
mention Muddy, man i would have really like to have seen him live.
It's a good thing there is no blues-group i'd never get any work done.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:46:21 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      John Hiatt

I'm just wondering if any of y'all have listened to J.H.'s
Bring The Family album Ry Cooder and Jim keltner are on it and
it is a very moving album. Hiatt's life right b4 that was in turmoil
and that album reflects his trials and tribulations, outstanding album
with a country,blues,rock blend.
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Warning: contains blatant overgeneralizations.
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Michael replies to my message:
>> Fish: Internal Exile
>> 	The ex-Marillion vocalist/writer's latest solo album. I don't like
>> this quite as much as the stuff he did with Marillion. I think his band is
>> trying to get the Marillion sound, but I feel something missing. Low point
>> is the cover of "Something In the Air" with it's sampled dance beat. High
>> point is the lyrics.
>
>High point is the bagpipes, on the title track. Carol said so.

No bagpipes on the title track, just sampled ones at the beginning and end
of "Something in the Air." The title track does feature fiddle, whistles,
and accordion from members of Capercaillie.

-Adam
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:10:04 PDT
From:         mike masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      sho nuf

Okay, maybe you can clear things up with this:

What is the difference between Country music and Western music?
How many types of Country music are there?
How does one distinguish Nashville from Austin sound?
I'm not a Country music fan, but I am curious...

 3
M
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:14:54 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      achey
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   Picture a "hunk" swirling his hips to Tulsa Time (with stupider
lyrics) while the crowd does a modified chicken dance, and you've
got Billy Joe Bobby Willie Wontie doing the Achey Breaky Thingy.
It's Mass Market Mush (tm).

   Heah in New Hamshah, we've got country station WOKQ as the most powerful
radio station (as in, most watts, most transmission area).  So, you really
can't avoid it.  Occasionally there'll be some hot guitar pickin', but
mostly it's Dolly, Billy Joe Willie Whatever, or whoever has suffered
the most catchy heartbreak recently.

   I consider Bluegrass country music.  Why don't you ever hear BG on
country stations?  Delta Blues is country music too.  Won't ever hear
that.  I suppose up here "that there colored music" wouldn't go over too
well with the 'OKQ general audience....

Russ
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:21:23 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: crazy thought
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If you would like to know who is Billy Rae Cyrus come to Roanoke on September
23 and you will find out who he is.  Before you come; practice doing the Acky
Breaky Dance or you will see many others doing it and you will think that it
could have been me.

While I am on the subject of Country Music let me say that I thought this was
a all music group; but all I read is about jazz,blues,rap and others instead
of country music.  Am I the only one who is a country music fan on this list
or is there others out there that like country music?  When I first signed on
to the list I started to talk about Country Music and got a few responses.
What happen to those people?  There is information on how to start on a new
list if anyone is interested in starting one.  I'm in the process of getting
information on starting one myself.  But if anyone is interested in starting
one yourself let me know.

Eddie Armstrong (aisarmstrong%ist%vmi@ist.vmi.edu)
Your friend in low places
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:01:00 GMT
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

MMM <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET> asks:

>Does anyone know if there exists movie footage from the
>Genesis' "Lamb Lies Down" tour?  I have the Genesis: a History
>on videotape, and it shows a little bit of stuff from the concerts.
>I would love to see that tour if it was captured on celluloid.

        The answer is "no", unfortunately. Official sources say that the tour
was never filmed. There are, indeed, some private bits, moste of them made
on 8mm camera and without sound. There are also a couple of cuts taken from
TV shows which featured some trailers from the tour, but surely not the whole
concert. It's a shame, since there were 104 gigs, I seem to remember and no-one
ever thought to shoot one.

>Also, does anyone know if Peter Gabriel plans to tour for his next
>album?  And when is his next album supposed to come out?

        A voice quite close to the man says October. The album title is "Us",
and Gabriel is now looking for a cover. I can tell you that Peter Hammill was
called in for a vocal overdub, but he told me that he doesn't know whether that
song will be used, since Gabriel seems to have worked on 15-16 tracks until the
last minute, and 5 or 6 are likely to be dropped. I was curious about the kind
of music in tha album, but I was unable to gather any more info, since Hammill
claimed that he didn't listen to anything but the song he was supposed to sing
on. He was evasive, I suppose :).

>It's been over a year since his first official release date for it.

        Yes, October should be the deadline. I haven't said October 1992,
anyway! :)

        Ciao, Marco

PS: Hey guys, I am back!
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:58:02 EDT
From:         ACASHIRES%Cadet=Affairs%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      Later-on Jon
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Good bye and good luck Jon...Signing-off is hard to do




The Warden's Wife
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:31:39 PDT
From:         Michael <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Tunnel hearing

There is a topic I would like to address to allmusic listeners:

What would music be like if equal temperment tuning was not standardized?

We grew up on equal temperment.
From a young age, we were constantly bombarded with the 12 tone scale
  fashioned from a logarithmic equation.
From then on, every thing we heard that was not in equal temperment
  sounded foreign and uncomfortable.
Realize that there are cultures out there who base their music on
  7 tone, 9 tone, 13 tone, and harmonic intervals.
  They don't know what equal temperment sounds like.
A lot of African music is based on harmonic intervals.
  Mbiras (thumbpianos, kalimbas) are tuned to the intervals handed down
  from generation to generation.  Berimbau players (bow instrument)
  sing notes that correspond to the harmonics of the resonant gourd
  cavity.
This music is as valid as any other music that we hear.
This is one prejudice that we as westerners ignore everyday.
We take it for granted that there are other tuning scales and modes
  out there in the world.
Born into this world listening to equal temperment, and bombarded with it
  everywhere and from all sides, it's a mass conditioning that goes
  unnoticed.  This is where our musical tunnel vision comes from.
We don't realise it, but it's there.  We westerners are all guilty of
  having tunnel ears to some extent.
It sort of sheds new light on the phrase "it sounds out of tune".
Someone from Indonesia is probably saying the same thing about
  what you listen to everyday.

Just something to kick around.

Mike M. Masuda, or my new handle:
 3
M
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:30:45 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      guitar riddles (was Re: red house)
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Q: how many guitar players does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 501.  1 to change it and 500 saying how they could do it better.

lee "guitar player, so flame off"
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:54:37 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Dylan
              30 Jul 1992 14:36:03 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:36:03 EDT <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU> said:
>Billy Rae has Dylan's creativitity and his talent.  All country music singers
>sing better than Dylan anyway.  Dylan sings like a broken record player.

As opposed to an Achy Breaky record player?
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:00:59 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Rite of Spring Boombox
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(I still haven't figured out how to copy just bits of other people's messages):
re MHB's boombox war, I have to tell you my long-hair-music son and I once DID
that!  We lived in a double next to some hillbillies who had some godawful
stuff blaring, so we brought our speakers into the front room, opened the door
and turned up full volume (a first)... It was about 10 years ago so I can no
longer recall what it was, but I actually think it may have been STravinsky.
After about 10 minutes, they turned off their music!  Well, maybe it was
Bruckner, not Stravinsky...I'm going to have to check on this.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:20:31 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      saying for the day
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  T-Bone Burnett on WBCN, when asked why people in the US are still
fanatical about Elvis:  "Well, if you don't believe in anything, then
I guess you'll believe in anything."

Russ
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