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From: PROMISLO@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Talmud on determining sex
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:38:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: QUCDN.92362.123836PROMISLO
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

>I wonder if the above quoted Talmudic story is really there...
writes Michael Shimshoni.

If you go back to my original posting, you'll see I have cited it as
being in Niddah 31a.  I did not check the original Hebrew, though
the translation goes "R. Isaac citing R. Ammi stated: If the woman
emits her semen first she bears a male child; if the man emits his
semen first she bears a female child; for it is said, _If a woman
emits semen and bear a man-child_ (Lev XII, 2)"
 Anyone know of any further rabbinic commentary?

Daniel Promislow
Queen's University
From: sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld brothers
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:44:29 GMT
Reply-To: sg04@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Inc.

Would someone (perhaps one of the archair attorneys in s.c.jland) care
to fill me in on two details?

1. What is the alleged motive for this crime?

2. What elements does one need to have in order to indict someone for a crime
   of intent of homocide in CA? motive? probable cause? prior arrest record?
   

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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Consultations with a Rabbi
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:18:27 GMT

In article <6595@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes:

>Yes. Close your ears and eyes.  Don't listen. Don't think about how
>it may be wrong (or right) and dismiss it completely.  It doesn't
>have the slightest meaning in your lives, so ignore it instead of
>understanding it, and being better preparred to deal with similar
>arguments with thoughtful, reasoned responses.

It is not an issue of rejecting without understanding.  How many times
must I read the same stuff with the same fraud before I can reject it
from its first sentence?  Why bother reading it after the Nth time?  Why
waste my time whn it is the same lies, fraud, deception, and garbage,
possibly slightly (at best)  repackaged?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vijay Bhucha:, and Bill Gripp: JESUS IS NOT A MESSAYAH!
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:29:27 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Dec17.211704.26231@bony1.bony.com>
billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:

>In article <4574@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
Ehrlich) writes:

>>A messayah is supposed to purify the hearts of people , at least of
>>those follow him , writting the above jesus stuff to this forum is an
>>immoral behaveioure. Since Vijay defines himself as a jesus follower
>>his very writting is a demonstrating of an un pure jesus-follower hart
>>and hence it is is a declaration that Jesus is not a messayah.
>
> (Bill Gripp):
>This is akin to saying that Judaism is invalid because of the Babylonian
>captivity, the Diaspora, etc.  Should we say Judaism is invalid becuase
>the people worshiped the golden calf?  I note you are in the Math Dept,
>I hope you don't teach logic.  =|^)

I do teach logic.

It seemed that Bill do accept the validity of my proof as to the fact
that jesus is not a messayah.

The Tora aim is to give persons a knowledge about the right
behavioure, The tora itself talk a bout a future captivity . We are in
an era that messayah didn't come yet, and there are a lot of lake of
believe at G od and knowing him.
But if one say messayah already came then he has to expect humanity to
be moral.

 Bill Gripp'article, aspecially on this SCJ net, is a demonstration of
immoral behaveioure and thus his very article is a second proof that
jesus is not a messayah , aspecially if Bill is a jesus follower.

   Shalom       Gideon

Note : here in ERETS YISRAEL It is now Monday evening we lighted
      already the  hanuka menoras,
       Don't forget do light 3 candles ( + shamash), and remember the
       Macabies who fought the j4j's  of their time.
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:31:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


At the Beverly Hills Menorah lighting ceremony Sunday night, presided
over by the Mayor of Beverly Hills, the Vice-Mayor, and a Chabad Rabbi,
it was stated that the ACLU and the American Jewish Committee went
to court Sunday morning to stop it (and lost).

Does anyone know what the h... is going on when the AJC tries to stop
a menorah lighting?

David
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From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: Lyrics to Hatikva
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:51:47 GMT


In a previous article, PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) says:


>Can anyone send me the lyrics to Hatikva both in Hebrew and English ?


Here are the words I've learned:


Kol od ba-le-vav pe-ni-mah,            So long as still within our breasts
Ne-fesh ye-hu-di ho-mi-yah,            The Jewish heart beats true,
U-le-fa-a-tey miz-rah ka-di-mah,       So long as still towards the East,
A-yin le-Tzi-yon tzo-fi-yah,           To Zion, looks the Jew,
Od lo av'dah tik-va-te-nu--            So long our hopes are not yet lost--
Ha-tik-vah sh'not al-pa-yim--          Two thousand years we cherish them --
Li-h'yot am hof-shi be-ar-tze-nu,      To live in freedom in the Land
E-retz Tzi-yon vi-ru-sha-la-yim...     Of Zion and Jerusalem....

Li-h'yot am hof-shi be-ar-tze-nu      To live in freedom in the Land
E-retz Tzi-yon vi-ru-sha-la yim.      Of Zion and Jerusalem.



>A Jew whose Jewish soul is awakening...

Congratulations   8-)

Marlene
-- 
       No nation can survive without pride in its traditions.
       Marlene J. Miller   aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Ascii Chanukah symbols?
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:08:05 GMT

In article <9212301614.AA24924@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)> writes:
>Are you kidding.  All Litvoks eat sour cream.  It takes a real man to eat a 
>latke with sour cream.  Apple sauce is for sissys. Bah Humbug (Is that right for Chanuah.  Anyway why now, except latkes are wonderful anytime.

While not a hard and fast rule, I noticed that Jews/Goys from Germany
tend to use apple sauce, while those from the Slavic areas (Poland,
Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, etc) usually seem to opt for the sour cream.
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:49:22 GMT
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1hahp3INNa91@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:


   In a previous article, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com () says:

   >I never thought about this before, but after hearing Barbara Streisand
   >doing a christmas song, it occured to me that she's Jewish, isn't she?
   >So what are the biggest Christmas hits sung by Jews? I guess music is
   >music, and a buck is a buck. Was there ever a Hanakuh hit record?
   >
   Of course, Mel Torme's "The Christmas Song" (Chestnuts Roasting on an
   Open Fire...) comes to mind first.

How about Irving Berlin's "White Christmas"?  It even won the Academy
Award.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Latkes (was Re: Ascii Chanukah symbols?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.172016.8720@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.135747.6499@linus.mitre.org> jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:
>>|> Yuch!  Does anyone else eat latkes with sour cream?  I thought the only 
>>|> way to eat them was with apple sauce.
>>
>>My family eats them with apple sauce, except for my stepfather, who prefers sour
>>cream.  My mother describes him as being from New York (we're all from
>>Boston).  He isn't, but then he isn't Jewish either. 
>>But it may indicate that Jews from New York have been
>>known to serve sour cream with latkes. (They eat funny bagels, too: soft and
>>fat.  I like thin, hard ones.)
>
>I consider apple sauce completely repulsive in general, though nobody
>else in my family does, but we never ate latkes with it.  We very rarely
>ate latkes with sour cream, usually only if they were being served as a 
>second course after borscht.  We ate them sprinkled with sugar.  I've
>never run into anyone else who does this outside of my family and some old
>family friends so it may be unique to people from Kovno, Lithuania.  

According to an ORT cookbook I've got (put out a couple of years ago by
Greater Phoenix ORT) eating latkes with either sugar or cinnamon and
sugar is typical among the S. African Jewish community as well.  I'd
take this as pretty reliable since one of the members of that chapter's
board (my mother is the current president) happens to be South African
born.


-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Jewish Charities
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Keywords: disgusting
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:57:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.151641.7225@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> sg@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephan.gross) writes:
>
>
>  Are other people bothered by the high salaries and waste of these charities?
>I have tried to avoid giving to them; usually, I put all my Jewish charity-
>money in State of Israel bonds.  Does anyone have any other charity recommen-
>dations?
>
>-- 
>
>       Steve Gross    (...att!hogpa!sg or sg@HOGPA.ATT.COM)
>
>

1.  State of Israel Bonds are not charity.  They are an
investment and indeed significantly safer than most.  The current
interest rates are such that many nonJews are investing in them.
If you fail to cash them in at maturity, you are not helping
Israel as the Chase Manhatten Bank sends the money (minus its
cut) to Israel immediately.  You are just helping the Chase
Manhatten Bank.

2. I send my charity to organizations that really need it, mostly
in my own communittee (Baltimore, Md.)  These include PTACH (for
educationally handicapped children to receive a Jewish
education), Bikur Cholim of Baltimore, the various schools such
as Bais Yaakov, and Talmudical Academy, some of the local
"gemachs" (free loan societies) such as the one administered by
Rabbi Kaganoff (the rabbi of my shul).

As far as national groups go there are NCSY, Agudas Yisrael, Jews
for Judaism, Yad Leachim (in Israel), P'eylim (in Israel),
various schools in Israel and throughout the country that deserve
money.  I would consider the groups you mentioned more political
than charitable.  None of the charitable groups waste money on
the "executive compensations" you describe.

Check out your local community for similar organizations or I can
send you the address of the groups here (especially the schools
which are in terrrible financial trouble).  I would say that
PTACH especially is worth contributing to

PTACH
4445 Old Court Road
Baltimore, Md. 21208

There are enough worthy organizations that you can find your
Maaser (and more) sent out each month without considering it
wasted.

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: Urgent Appeal-Jerusalem Rabbi Mistakenly Arrested!
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:18:44 GMT

schuman@eacces.wpd.sgi.com (Aaron Schuman) writes: >

>Daniel> A well respected Rabbi from Jerusalem has 
>Daniel> been arrested along with his brother recently 
>Daniel> in California. Because the charges are 
>Daniel> ridiculous...
>
>The defendants may be innocent, but the charges aren't ridiculous.
>
>When they were apprehended, the trunk of their car contained a
>knife, plastic handcuffs, a floor plan of their alleged victim's
>house showing the location of a shotgun, and other items that
>cast strong suspicion.

The drawing of the house was identified as done by the family's
daughter, Rachel, who is living in Jerusalem.  Also found in
the trunk were kitchen knives, ski masks, and two crowbars.

>A well regarded rabbi visited them in jail, and reported in the
>Jewish Bulletin of Northern California that he believes that
>each suspicious circumstance has a reasonable explanation.
>
>I don't know any more than I read in the Bulletin and in the
>Palo Alto Weekly, but I think they will have a difficult time
>proving their innocence in court.  If they are truly innocent,
>I wish them luck and divine assistance, because they really need
>it this time.

According to the San Jose Mercury News, the daughter refuses to
talk to her family and has accused them of sexually abusing her.
Father is a psychiatrist who works with troubled adolescents (ha ha!)
Daughter has had various psychological problems; not clear if the
abuse charges have any basis.  What the Feld brothers have said is
that Rachel asked them to go to the house to "feel the energy there"
in order to figure out if her abuse charges have merit.  They
claim all they were going to do was enter the house and soak up
its aura, then report back to Rachel.

This is a *very* strange story, and to be honest, everyone in it
sounds pretty darned confused.  The Merc also reported that many
character reference letters for the Feld brothers are being sent,
but that the stuff in the trunk does not make them look like
decent family men helping a friend, as they claim.

Oh, the Wassermans sound like Reform American Jews, and Rachel has
joined an Orthodox community in Israel.  I don't know if the
religious degree differences are also exacerbating the terrible
relationship between parents and daughter.


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.132448.29303@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (
samuel.saal) writes:

>I suspect you misunderstand Chabad's intention and motivation.  If your
>concept of vulgarity is based on "aping," you miss the most important
>point in Chabad's public displays of the Menorot/Chanukiot.  If "aping"
>was the only point, don't you think they'd be interested in putting up
>Jewish symbols to counter the pink and green of easter, the browns and
>reds of Thanksgiving, the witches and ghosts of Halloween?  No; they
>are only interested in Chanukah and Menorot.  Why is that?  I'd say it
>is because the motivation is _not_ that of equality with other holiday
>symbols and symbolism.  Instead, it is part of Chanukah in its own rite
>(and right).  One of the mitzvot of Chanukah is that of "Pirsumei
>Nissah" (publicizing the miracle), and to that end, large Chanukiot are
>as good a way as any to publicize it.  There's nothing to ape.
>Pirsumei nissah has nothing to do with a particular society or strata
>therein.  It stands on its own and denigrating that as "aping"  shows a
>lack of comprehension for an important part of the celebration of
>Chanukah, let alone a lack of respect for those who do understand this
>mitzvah.
>--

You're entirely correct and the last thing I meant to convey was the
silly notion that Habad was "aping" Christians.  I was addressing a
larger question and I see from your perceptive objection that I must
at the very least go back to the drawing board.  I'm afraid that I
was trying (this is an informal cafeteria after all) to paint fine
details with a broad brush.

Briefly for now: the essence of vulgarity (I think) is what I call
cultural misappropriation.  It's like pin-the-donkey.  It has nothing
to do with someone's _intentions_ or _motives_.  It has to do entirely
with style, by which I obviously don't mean hoo-ha or fancy but rather
coherence and harmony.  That's why I said before that O is virtually
lacking in vulgarity.  Everything fits.  Every part speaks to every
part with the same language.  Unfortunately for Lubavitch, that is
not what happens when it tries to invent from scratch a public festival.
A public festival that never was (in golus) and which loses in dignity
from being such an obvious retort to Christmas.

****

With the exception of one more post, I'm cutting away from s.c.j.,
but I'll be happy to correspond privately with anyone who cares to
write.

Norman Miller
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:09:35 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
 <1992Dec22.001320.28917@netcom.com> <1992Dec22.185759.19831@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
 <1992Dec22.230702.10838@netcom.com>

In article <1992Dec22.230702.10838@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David
Sternlight) says:
>
>Marc Colten says Chabad got permission to put up a Menorah, and
>now the KKK wants to put up a cross.
>
>My guess is that they'll lose. The menorah commemorates a
>historical event. It's kinda like putting up a statue of,
>say, Jose Marti in a public park in a Hispanic neighborhood.
>No problem.
>
They didn't lose. They got permission to put the cross up.

Rabbi Kalmanson of the Cinti. Chabad said he saw the logic in the decision.
At least he's honest and not trying to have the Chanukiah masquerade as a
"secular" symbol.

Most of the rest of the Cincinnati Jewish community is not very happy with
Chabad these days.

Disclaimer: I'm not in, of from, Cincinnati but I did spend five days there
the week before last when the decision came down, and the case was widely
discussed in the two shuls (one O, one C) I attended the Shabbat I was there.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:15:07 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Assembly line
Distribution: world
 <102763@netnews.upenn.edu> <1992Dec21.200741.23215@epas.toronto.edu>
 <765333d8181075t200@witsend.uucp>

In article <765333d8181075t200@witsend.uucp>, "D. C. Sessions"
<dcs@witsend.tnet.com> says:
>
>In <1992Dec21.200741.23215@epas.toronto.edu>, nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk
>Nusbacher)  wrote:
>#
># In article <1992Dec19.053000.23169@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis (Ted
>Frank) writes:
(various Chabad/t'fillin stories deleted . . .)

The Catholic Chaplain here at American (his office is next door to mine)
was visiting Israel a couple of years ago when the Chabad people wrapped
t'fillin on him. He thought it was a nice thing and didn't know until later
that it was for Jews only (he knew what they were and their significance).

Father Brien even has pictures of the event.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: soc.culture.anything.goes (was Re: Homosexuals...)
Followup-To: misc.misc
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:19:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.221316.5779@nynexst.com> schwartz@nynexst.com writes:
>
>In article <lexier.725574259@sfu.ca>, lexier@fraser.sfu.ca (Mr. Spock) writes:
>> 
>>      Gays are just like you and me.  Why discriminate against them?
>
>Because of their propensity for posting to the wrong newsgroup.  :-)

Yeah, well, judging by the persistance of the "deportation"
threads, they're not the only ones with this fault.

Does anyone still post to talk.politics.mideast, or have they all
moved here for the winter?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
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From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: use the tunes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:48:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.141439.1129@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>Someone posted a comment about using nonJewish music for Jewish themes.
>This goes the other way, I think.
>
>(I don't know who wrote it)
>
>  "Have a Jewish Christmas"
>  (Tune: Jingle Bells)
>
>  The lights are being strung, The streets are full of cheer,
>  The stockings have been hung, Christmas Time is here.
>  Its joyous revelry and spirit capture you;
>  "At Christmas Time it's hard to be a good religious Jew." ("Oy")
>
>  (Chorus:)
>  Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle night and day.
>  It's "Yo-ho-ho" and mistletoe and Santa's on his way.
>  Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, If Santa Claus is true,
>  his joy is fun for everyone, but what's a Jew to do?
>
>  He goes to synagogue, it doesn't matter which,
>  He's Jewish and he's very proud, "I'd rather fight than switch."
>  When Christmas Time is here, he wishes it would pass,
>  "Last Sunday morning I got up and almost went to mass!" ("Oy")

It is very funny!!!

>
>  (repeat Chorus and end.)
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

Happy Chanukkah,
Dima
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:43:07 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <9212300619.AA04223@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)> writes:
>What is this gibberish.  Hamas is the sworn enemy of Israel, Jews and everyone
>who is not of the Moslem brotherhood (it seems).  They are nothing but a bunch
>of killers who certainly do Not "want to live in peace in "Palestine"(wherever
>that may be) or anywhere else.  They are completley against the so-called
>peace process and are determined to undermine it in any way they can, including
>murder, kdnapping and terrorism.

Worn out thread, yeah, I know, but ...

I'm not going to dispute with you on the principles of the Hamas because
you condemn the very thing that they stand for, which is resistance to
the State of Israel and all of its crimes against Palestinians.  Hamas
does not want to live in peace with Jews until Palestinians have their
rights and freedom in their land, and yes, they are totally against the
peace process, because it has, after two years not gone anywhere and has
nothing to do with peace and equality for Palestinians.  Now what do you
think of Rabin wanting to return the expelled 415 (by the hundred on a
monthly basis) for Hamas quelling the Intefada?

Anisa

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