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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: More Alies Vs. Predator news
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:02:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec21.140234.1@woods.ulowell.edu> mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>In Wizard Magazine, it is metioned once again that Aliens vs. Predators will
>be shooting next year.  The movie will be titled ALIENS VS PREDATORS: THE HUNT.
>It will be based on the mini-series comic book.  I'd advise you to grab
>yourself a copy or two of the series, because the value will shoot up VERY
>high.  As an example of how much comics can go up in price from popularity,
>the Superman comic in which he dies is now worth almost $40!!
>
>  =====             Keith "Overtime" McDuffee            PHI KAPPA SIGMA
>                   mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu              Dracut,  MA
>                             - or -                            01826
>                    kmcduffee@cs.ulowell.edu                    USA

	$40?! To whom!!! I have 4 I'm willing to sell for $25 a piece.  A
FAR better example (especially since the Superman issue has nothing to do
with movies or horror) is the Batman glut caused by the success of the first
movie.  I recommend picking it up, but caution all of you that Wizard movie
news is far from official or confirmed.  Up until just recently, they've 
been insisting that Cameron would do an X-Men film.  Take it with a grain
of salt if at all.

						Ray

p.s. On the plus side, Dark Horse does have its own production company now
(responsible for the abysmal Dr. Giggles btw), and does have the rights to
Aliens and Predator liscensing.
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: SK:  Dolores Claiborne
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:35:04 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Dec23.184104.6478@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
kjs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kelly.smith) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]                          I guess now's
>the time to read all of Clive barker's books.  I've only
>read Hellbound Heart and Great and Secret Show (loved this
>one).  Any recommendations?

I really love Clive Barker.  He has a talent for developing
characters, and also for twisting plots so you can't really predict
what is going to happen.

I would recommend Books of Blood (all volumes).  This will give you
a variety of stories to experience.  Imajica is also very good.
However, it is a long and involved read.  It leans more towards the
Fantasy genre, as opposed to horror.

Enjoy!

-Gina
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: art@spdcc.com (Art Cohen)
Subject: The Living One
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:08:01 GMT

Dear Friends,

I would like to know if anyone has read "The Living One," a new novel from Random House by Lewis Gannett.  It's just started to appear in bookstores.

My purpose in asking is that the writer, Lewis Gannett, is a friend of mine.  He and I are curious about people's reactions.

I recommend the book to all who like horror.  It's a good read, I promise.  The book centers around the diabolical and charming Baron Malcolm Spoor and his son Torrance.  Spoor has a deep secret--he is older than he looks, much older--and Torrance Spoor is about to find out that the family curse his father has told him about is not a hoax.

But a shadowy government scientist, researching ESP, stumbles on the Baron Spoor and begins to understand his intensions.  He finds himself caught between a fascination with Malcom Spoor's awsome power, and the terrible fate that awaits the sixteen year old Torrance.  

The story winds its way through "magic, body thievery, killer dogs, ESP wars, and lusty, genre-defying sex," reads the jacket notes.  "The Spoors are the ultimate dysfunctional family.  Wealthy, shamelessly extravagant, and impossibly attractive, they are also cursed.  The curse has been handed down from father to sone for seven hundred years, ever since the crusades, when a bizarre and mystifying event created a recurring pattern of madness and death."

Anyway...enough.  Please read the book.  Send me your comments.  I'll be sure that the author receives them, and of possible, will relay his replies.

Thanks,

Art Cohen
cohenart@A1.mec.mass.edu

MCET
One Kendall Square
Building 1500
Cambridge, MA 02139
Xref: sparky alt.horror:5401 alt.rock-n-roll:19692
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Horror & Rock N' Roll?
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:17:05 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Dec18.214102.9193@ultb.isc.rit.edu> tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Exactly!  I was referring to death metal.  And if you think all those
>bands can't play music, just listen to "Necrotism: Descanting the
>Insalubrius" by Carcass.  Those guys are fantastic musicians.  I agree
>that it is pretty mindless.  It's all shock value.  But then again, some
>of my favorite movies are nothing but shock value.
>
>                                                      ->Spice

Death Metal is hardly rock and roll. I suggest that those with interest
check out the long running series on Horror-Rock in Psychotronic Magazine,
and lots of other fanzines.

I have nothing against Death metal, hell, I've got Carcass's
"Symphonies Of Sickness" running right now. It's great stuff, but it
is hardly Rock. Metal is a bastard child of Rock, but it is not the parent.

Early Misfits works as a fine example of updated Horror-rock. 
Particularly the first album "Misfits Walk Among Us".

And much as I enjoy Carcass, I would hardly label them "Fantastic Musicians".
Hyper as all get out, and repulsively imaginative, but not fantastic.
Besides, isn't one member leaving to resume his studies as a Forensic
Pathologist?

Pax
					--Judex--
From: ntraven@wuntvor.pillar.com (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Clive Barker-The Thief of Always
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 13:11:36 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     What did you people think of this book?
     I found the label of "A Fable" was very appropriate.. By no stretch of the
imagination could this book be considered a novel.  It was a very nice short
story with some wonderful illustrations... The only thing that felt wrong to me
was how easily (spoilers) the kid killed off Jive and the others... The ending
was very good, though, and there was some great imagery.  The whole time/season
thing was well done..


Still reading Imajica,
NR

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  "If God did not exist          "Do you know what a love letter is?"
   it would be necessary                 -Dennis Hopper  "Blue Velvet"
   to invent him."               "There is no delight the equal of dread" 
          -George B. Shaw                -Clive Barker

phluuke@maria.wustl.edu                 ntraven@here
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: estephen@netcom.com (E. Stephen Mack)
Subject: Re: "Candyman" and Clive Barker? [spoilers]
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 11:23:37 GMT

In a recent article, mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:

| 	I heard from somewhere that the movie "Candyman" was roughly
| based on a Clive Barker novel. Anyone know what novel?

In Barker's short story collection "In The Flesh" (Pocket Horror, ISBN
0-671-61270-0, known in the U.K. as Volume V [I think] of the Books of
Blood series) you will find beginning on page 87 the story "The Forbidden."

This 62 page story bears many similarities to the movie, but also enough
differences to make it worth reading the story if you enjoyed the movie.

If you stop reading here, my list of some of the interesting similarities
won't spoil the movie or story for you...


Similarities				Differences
---------------------------------------------------
In both the movie and the story, most	Ah, but the story is set in England
   of the action is set in housing	   in a run-down project.  The movie
   projects.				   is set in Detroit in an extremely
					   impoverished urban high-rise.

Many names are the same.		Many characters in the movie 
					   are new or have different jobs.

Much of the dialogue is the same.	The characters have different
					   motivations and accents.

The general themes (rumors, worship	The movie's themes of urban legends
   of the Candyman figure) are		   and myths, and the emphasis on
   the same in both movie and story.	   urban decay, are not in the story.
					   The story has themes of isolation
                                           and xenophobia not in the movie.

Many of the important devices (the	The story is mostly concerned with
   painted face of the Candyman,	   the nature of belief, while the
   the "sweets for the sweet" bit,	   movie is more concerned with the
   the hook-handed killer himself	   nature of legend itself.
   and his insects) are the same.

The general plot of the movie and	The movie introduces sub-plots and
   story is similar.			   action ("gore") scenes not in the
					   book, notably the husband's new
					   wife and the hospital scene itself.


Summary:  Not as faithful an adaptation as "Misery" but much more faithful
          than "The Lawnmower Man" (to pick two Stephen King adaptation
          examples).

Capsule Review:  Candyman is a decent horror movie, not for the squeamish,
                 hurt by some clumsy scenes and an often ineffective Philip
                 Glass soundtrack.  "The Forbidden" is not one of Barker's
                 best stories, since it's a little wordy and doesn't
                 develop all of the characters and situations effectively,
                 but it's still engrossing.

[estephen]		E. Stephen Mack		estephen@netcom.com
From: hillyard@CS.ColoState.EDU (kevin paul hillyard)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: SK:  Dolores Claiborne
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:10:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec23.184104.6478@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kjs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kelly.smith) writes:

[stuff deleted]>
>I've heard rumors that the movie, The Stand, is coming
>out in the fall of 1993.  Is there any truth to that?
>
>Also what were Stephen King and Clive Barker working
>on earlier this year?  I caught a blurb on A Current
>Affair about a movie they were working on.  In it
>Barker's arms were covered with fake blood.  Looked
>interesting.
>
>Anyone know when Evil Dead III is coming out if at all?
>
>Thanks......Kelly Jean

	The Evil Dead III (actually titled Armies of Darkness) is finaly(!)
coming out around the begining of next year('93)... from the shots in some
magazines (ohhh... the evil media strikes again!), it looks like it could be
a great show...

	The Stand I don't know about.... I have seen old copies of the novel
(dated late 80's) with "soon to be a major motion picture" stamped on the cover.
So I know it's been talked about for a long time... does anyone actually think
that they could pull this off?  Too many characters and the length both make
me doubt the fact... but obviously, they would cut out half the characters, and
33% of the story to make it fit into a two hour movie; IMHO this would ruin it...
From: ntraven@wuntvor.pillar.com (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: SKing: The Stand
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 11:52:42 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     ABC was suposed to have released "The Stand," as a mini-series this year.
(A six or eight hour one, I think).. Maybe next season..


NR

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  "If God did not exist          "Do you know what a love letter is?"
   it would be necessary                 -Dennis Hopper  "Blue Velvet"
   to invent him."               "There is no delight the equal of dread" 
          -George B. Shaw                -Clive Barker

phluuke@maria.wustl.edu                 ntraven@here
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From: Tom Pope <tpope@ux1.lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Anyone seen "The Dead Next Door"?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:43:48 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Lab
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:41:39 GMT

I saw an ad for it in Film Threat and it looked mighty interesting.
A very down-and-dirty looking zombie flick.
Anybody seen it?  Like it?  Heard anything about it?
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.162926.7638@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:
>>>>Predictable?!  You must be the only person (at least, that I know)
>>>>who thought this.  Most people needed to watch the movie about 5
>>>>times before they had a gist of what was going on.
>>>
>>>Ron - Since I haven't YET fiigered it out, could you explain it?<g>
>>>
>> 
>>    Unfortunately, the film makes no sense no matter how you work it.
>>
>The very basis of this movie is ridiculous and assinine.  This movie is
>not based on a dream.  It *IS* a dream.  And, consequently, *ANYTHING* goes!
>No rules, no logic, nothing has to make sense.  This movie was a total
>waste of my time.
>
>Tom

No no no no no no...

Jacob's ladder is actually quite explainable..

The Main Character (sorry forget his name) served in Vietnam. The platoon he
was in was selected to try out a new combat drug called 'The Ladder.' Ladder,
however, drove the entire platoon mad, and MC was killed by a fellow soldier
in the ensuing chaos when the drug hit everyone's brain.

MC died in the vet hospital. (This is what they kept flashing back to; the ending scene reveals that MC was dead all along throughout the movie.)

MC spends several years in purgatory, or more precisely a semi-hell for people
whose afterlife fates are undecided. (This is pointed out when in one scene in a
subway train he notices a Salvation Army sign and a Hell: anti-drug sign next toeach other.) His family, those he left for another woman who in fact later turned out to be a demon of temptation, represent heaven; if he can bring himself to
return to them, he can be safe from the demons and enter heaven. "The Culkinator" was his dead son, who at the end brought him up "Jacob's Ladder" to heaven.

However, as long as he is in semi-hell, his life is in peril. You know all his
war buddies getting caught in exploding cars and suchlike? Those are people 
giving up and being captured, and sent to the *real* hell. Remember, they must
have died to in the chaos.  The important conflict in this movie is the war
for MC's soul; demons are trying to fool him into thinking he's still alive,
and so capture him in evil acts to send him to hell.  MC, in order to survive,
has to realize that he is dead, allow himself to "die" in this semi-hell 
and go to heaven with his family. (This explains the significance of him going
to his family's home, staying the night in the empty house (for he knows now
his family is truly alive in the real world) and allowing himself to die by
stopping his own heart beat, later being met by Ck-man and taken to heaven.)

That should explain it, I hope. It wasn't a waste of my time. I thought it was
a sad and lonely film about a man so thoroughly separated from those he loves,
and knowing he can't return to them ever again, chooses to go to heaven and
await them there with his lost son.

Sean Givan/ Aphoriel/Kinsman

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From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:29:26 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

>>>Predictable?!  You must be the only person (at least, that I know)
>>>who thought this.  Most people needed to watch the movie about 5
>>>times before they had a gist of what was going on.
>>
>>Ron - Since I haven't YET fiigered it out, could you explain it?<g>
>>
> 
>    Unfortunately, the film makes no sense no matter how you work it.
>
The very basis of this movie is ridiculous and assinine.  This movie is
not based on a dream.  It *IS* a dream.  And, consequently, *ANYTHING* goes!
No rules, no logic, nothing has to make sense.  This movie was a total
waste of my time.

Tom
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: S. King Ka-Ka
Followup-To: alt.horror
Date: 1 Jan 1993 06:33:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



I've been a major-league Stephen King fan since he was a nobody and I
happened to pick up a copy of Night Shift almost by chance.  But all
these years, I've stayed away from that gunslinger series (The Drawing
Of the Three, etc.).  Not because anyone told me those books weren't
any good, but because they lacked the superficial horror appeal of his
bread-and-butter scare stories.

King is an excellent writer and I've long felt that he'd be good at
pretty much any genre he chose, but the (apparently) Wild West theme
of this series has always been something of a turn-off to me.  Can
someone summarize the general premise of these stories?  I'd hate to 
miss out on a good read because of a misconception.



Geoff

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From: jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dolores Claiborne & Geral
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:22:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)






















Was the little girl that Dolores flashes on in the eclipse the woman character
from Gerald's Game?  And hence the moment of "Girl is in trouble" that Dolores
experiences at the end of her story the time when the character is handcuffed?
Would prefer email replies to avoid further spoiler problems.

--j
|| who only read DC, and not GG ||
From: df2m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dennis Jay Ferguson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: SK's "Golden Years"
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:26:00 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but does anybody know if
Stephen King plans on creating any more episodes of the "Golden Years"
TV series?  I remember there was some doubt as to whether any more
episodes would be made, but it ended with a cliff-hanger, so...

Please respond... I was a *big* fan of the show.

--Dennis
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Horro RPG Hyperzine
Summary: Night Watch #1
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:36:37 GMT

     The horror hyperzine (hypercard magazine) Night Watch has been released to
mac.archive.umich.edu and is in mac/hypercard/fun. If you have a Mac and 
Hypercard be sure to check it out. The first issue contains two Call of Cthulhu
adventures, a fantasy-horror adventure, and other material. If it's supported, 
it will continue and will contain top quality material (support=tyou read it 
and let me know what you think and you distribute as much as possible). It's 
free, so what have you got to loose?
Michael
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: T.E.D. Klein
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:04:45 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <D1m2VB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, wsadler@netlink.cts.com (Wayne Sadler) writes:
> ric@netcom.com(Richard A. Bretschneider) writes:
>>...to the best of my recollection, T.E.D Klein is actually
>>a collaborative pen name for two real-life authors.
> 
> Apparently not.  All the information readily available on him indicates 
> that he is indeed one person (e.g. an interview, with photograph, in 
> FACES OF FEAR edited by Douglas Winter (1985).) He was the editor of the 
> Twilight Zone Magazine in the early 80s; except for some novels and a few 
> stories, he hasn't written all that much, but it's good.
> 

Yes, and I have an old hardcover version of Ceremonies which includes most 
of the above information, as well.

Andrea
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From: colin.buckley@rose.com (colin buckley)
Subject: More Alies Vs. Predat
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:13:10 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-22-92 16:45
MC>In Wizard Magazine, it is metioned once again that Aliens vs. Predators will
  >be shooting next year.  The movie will be titled ALIENS VS PREDATORS: THE HUN
  >It will be based on the mini-series comic book.  I'd advise you to grab
  >yourself a copy or two of the series, because the value will shoot up VERY
  >high.  As an example of how much comics can go up in price from popularity,
  >the Superman comic in which he dies is now worth almost $40!!

I stopped collecting long ago, but I can't beleive it's at $40.
The comic was talked about everywhere, non stop for days.  Newspapers,
local news casts, etc...  Everyone was instructed to get a copy,
and probably has.  I can't see you even getting $10 selling one, besides
the stores probably kept 20 copies for themselves.  The Superman comic
is definately not scarce, but rather poorly diluted.  You'd only
get the $40 value price from the die hard collector, but he already has
10 copies.  If he wanted more, he'd have gotten them.  You're lucky
to get 40% of the value from a store, assuming they are interested.
The comic is worthless until "mommy" throws the comic out, and with
adults probably making up most of the comic idustry, that isn't gonna
happen.  It's a dead end.  Hell, the local library has a copy...
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Clive Barker: From _The_Thief_Of_Always_
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:17:23 GMT

In article <1hb7d2INNm4c@agate.berkeley.edu> chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:
>POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!!!!
>
>
>This is a description of a storm, from Barker's new book _The_Thief_Of_Always_.
>( Harper Collins, 240 pages, $20 ).
>
>"It had more than lightning at its dark heart. It had the light rains that
>came at early morning to coax forth the seeds of another spring; it had the
>drooping fogs of autumn, and the spiraling snows that had brought so many
>midnight Christmases ... shafts of sunlight piereced the storm-clouds in the
>name of Summer, only to be smothered by Fall's fog, while ... Spring coaxed
>its legions out of bough and earth, then saw its buds murdered by Winter's
>frosts before they could show their colors."
>
>Was King ever as good? =)


  I believe the passage you quote is one that the New Yorker
  would entitle  "Block that metaphor!"...


  Wayne
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: "Candyman" and Clive Barker?
Date: 26 Dec 92 08:13:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	I heard from somewhere that the movie "Candyman" was roughly
based on a Clive Barker novel. Anyone know what novel?

	Maiko Covington    mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu