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From: nelson@sentinel.enet.dec.com (Nelson Orengo - Tampa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: All-Time LATIN Team
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@gatr2.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Tampa FL


I'm gonna take a shot at naming the All-Time Latin squad. I'm relying
on memory only to produce this list, so I may be forgetting some
good players that belong here.

ALL-TIME LATIN STARTING LINEUP
============================================

CF Minnie Minoso         (Cuba)
2B Rod Carew             (Panama)
RF Roberto Clemente      (Puerto Rico)
1B Orlando Cepeda        (Puerto Rico)
3B Tony Perez            (Cuba)
LF Tony Oliva            (Cuba)
C  Manny Sanguillen      (Panama)
ss Luis Aparicio         (Venezuela)
P  Juan Marichal         (Dominican Republic)

OTHER STARTING PITCHERS
============================================

RHP Luis Tiant           (Cuba)
RHP Dennis Martinez      (Nicaragua)
LHP Fernando Valenzuela  (Mexico)
RHP Camilo Pascual       (Cuba)

RELIEVERS
============================================
LHP Luis Arroyo          (Puerto Rico)
RHP Pedro Borbon         (Dominican Republic)

SUBSTITUTES
=============================================
OF Jose Canseco      (Cuba)
OF Ruben Sierra      (Puerto Rico)
OF Rico Carty        (Dominican Republic)
OF Matty Alou        (Dominican Republic)
OF Jose Cruz         (Puerto Rico)
OF Cesar Cedeno      (Dominican Republic)
OF-1B Pedro Guerrero (Dominican Republic)
IB Vic Power         (Puerto Rico)
2B Roberto Alomar    (Puerto Rico)
2B Bobby Avila       (Mexico)C
SS Dave Concepcion   (Venezuela)
SS Bert Campaneris   (Cuba)
3B Edgar Martinez    (Puerto Rico)
C  Benito Santiago   (Puerto Rico)
C  Al Lopez          (Cuba)
PH Manny Mota        (Dominican Republic)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:34:36 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bonds rejects Yankee offer..

Do you still keep in contact with Bonds?  That must be cool to know a
guy who is a major league star.  Your comments were pretty insightful. 
Why did he take number 7 when he was promoted to Pittsburgh?  He changed
to 24 later.

Mit

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Mattingly
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:37:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.175158.4216@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes:
>Call me sentimental, but I will always believe that Mattingly is the best
>first-baseman. 

Actually, I believe Lou Gehrig is the best first baseman.  But I'd stop
playing him now that his mobility has dropped to about Carney Lansford's
level.

Same goes for Mattingly.  He was a great player in 1986.  But, hey, so
was Mike Scott.  There comes a time when you acknowledge within your heart
of hearts that Mattingly has about the same chance of hitting .350 that
Lou Gehrig does, and you shouldn't expect either of them to do it.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays-Gillick
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:39:52 GMT

In <18415@mindlink.bc.ca> Edward_Lunny@mindlink.bc.ca (Edward Lunny) writes:

>5.  The Blue Jays-  Gillick is a miracle worker- gets rid of the "jerk"
>Gruber and unloads some very potentially expensive clunkers.  ie, Moldonado,
>Henke, Key, Gruber,Winfield,-   makes the best deal of the off season ie
>Molitor, and ensures that the beleagured pitching staff gets lots of runs
>next year. Where else can Jack Morris get 20 wins with an ERA  about 4. I
>loved what Winfield did for them last year, but got tired of being the back
>end of the double play.

Gillick a miracle worker?  hardly - the Jays publicity dept, yes.

He lost Key and Cone and he replaces them with Stewart who will not have
as good a year as either.  Sure he let Gruber go and who has he replaced
him with?  Nobody.  Who has he replaced Maldonado with?  Nobody.  Who
has he replaced Henke with?  Nobody.  He doesn't have a shortstop signed.
And as for Molitor - do you honestly expect him to contribute as much as
Winfield did last year?  Molitor won't play 90 games this year.

His starting pitching is comprised of 2 old farts, a potential phenom and
a bunch of question marks.  If he doesn't sign Lee then he has lost half
of the everyday infield, half of his starting pitching, half of a very
effective relief pair, one of his everyday outfielders, and his full-time
dh.

Right on Pat!  Let's rebuild!  And when the jays go down the toilet this
year all the stathead dorks in this group will be calling for Cito's head.

damn glad the leafs are at least playing .500 hockey this year...

rm
 
-- 
roger maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:38:15 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Dec17.152407.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes:
>In article <kbanaian.113.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>, kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>
>> Thought I'd bring out the numbers here.  These data were printed in the 7/2/
>> 92 issue of _Financial World_.  They are for the 1991 season.
>> 	Gate	Media	Stad.	Total	Player	Oper.	Oper.
>> Team	Rec.	Rev.	Rev.	Rev.	Costs	Exp.	Inc.
>> LA	26.6	32.5	18.0	79.3	36.0	72.0	 7.3
>> Bos	24.5	40.5	14.3	81.5	35.4	70.8	10.7
>> CWS	27.5	25.7	19.3	78.0	18.0	60.0	18.0
>> StL	19.9	25.0	12.0	59.1	23.2	46.4	12.7
>> ChC	22.8	27.5	12.0	64.5	29.0	58.0	 6.5
>> KC	16.9	20.5	14.0	53.6	30.4	60.8	-7.2
>> Phi	15.2	23.2	 7.6	48.2	21.7	43.4	 4.8
>> Oak	25.7	27.0	10.0	64.9	39.2	66.6	-1.7
>> Cal	19.0	27.9	 5.0	54.1	34.3	61.7	-7.6
>> SF	15.5	26.2	 5.0	48.9	33.3	53.3	-4.4
>> Cin	17.1	24.4	 5.3	49.0	27.1	48.8	 0.2
>> SD	15.6	23.1	 7.5	48.4	24.4	48.8	-0.4
>> Hou	10.6	25.2	 8.0	46.0	12.1	31.5	14.5
>> Pit	16.2	21.9	 5.5	45.8	24.9	49.8	-4.0
>> Det	15.6	28.8	 5.0	51.6	31.1	54.4	-2.8
>> Atl	15.4	18.9	 3.8	40.3	20.4	40.8	-0.5
>                ^^^^
>
>	I see that the 1991 Braves reported lower media revenues than
>any other team, including the pathetic small market teams of
>Milwaukee, Minnesota, and Seattle. I wonder if Ted Turner is hiding
>just a few dollars of the Braves profits in his TBS numbers. This
>number suggests that TBS is paying only about 3.4m for the right to
>broadcast all those games. 

It looks like a lot of those numbers are fudged -- Atlanta and SF have 
$20 million in non-player operating expenses, but the White Sox have
$42 million.  Chyeah, right.  As if.

Also, it looks like a lot of the non-player operating expenses are
just made up -- Atlanta, San Diego, Pittsburgh, KC, and a bunch of other
teams have total operating expenses that, coincidentally, are double
player salaries.

The whole chart looks fishy.

Sculley documents other sneaky accounting techniques that the owners
use to plead poverty.

The owners just opened the books for the 1991 season, in a report done
by the appropriately-named Henry Aaron of the Brookings Institute.
Don't know how fudged those numbers were.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: All-Davis team (was Re: All-Name League)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:13:25 GMT

In <1gl1asINNdto@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Douglas Fowler writes:

>In a previous article, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) says:

>>n article <15DEC92.03193833@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Presenting:
>>>
>>>*The Clan Henderson*
>>>Motto: "Sola virtus nobilitat" (Hit 'em where they ain't)
>>>
>>>Dave Henderson
>>>Ken Henderson
>>>Rickey Henderson
>>>Steve Henderson
>>>Bernie Henderson (0-1 in 1921)
>>>Bill Henderson (0-0 in 1930)
>>>Ed Henderson (1-1 in 1914)
>>>Hardie Henderson (81-121 from 1883-'88)
>>>Joe Henderson (3-2 from 1974-'77)
>>>
>>>Our opponents in the All-Name League:  The Smith Brothers, The
>>>James Gang, The Jolly Millers, The Vodka Collins (well, maybe the
>>>League wouldn't approve of that name), The Fabulous Baker Boys...
>>>there must be more...?
>>>
>>I don't have at hand the reference books needed to do this thread
>>justice, but off the top of my head, I'd say the All-Williams team
>>(Ted, Billy, Ken, Cy, Matt, Stan,...) looks pretty good.  The
>>All-Robinson team (Jackie, Frank, Brooks,...) should contend, too.

>     There were about 10 Davis' in the majors about 6 or 7 years back,
>though I think most of them were pitchers or outfielders.  Still,  an
>amazing total.  So, I don't think I have to go back in history at all to
>get:
>     Alvin (Seattle), Mark (then w/San Diego), Mike (A's - may have been
>in L.A. by then), Storm (S.D. or Oakland then), Joel (White Sox),
>Chili (Giants), Glenn (Astros), and a couple others. (Maybe a few September
>callups boosted it; I know there were a couple others at the same time but
>I can't think of who they might be.)
>--

Joel Davis?  I've never heard of him.  I hope he plays 2B or 3B...

We're close to an All-Davis team here.  Let's see what I can come up with:

C  -- Spud Davis
1B -- Glenn Davis
2B --     ?
SS -- George Davis
3B --     ?
OF -- Eric Davis
OF -- Chili Davis
OF -- Mike Davis
DH -- Alvin Davis

P  -- Storm Davis
P  -- Mark Davis
P  -- Ron Davis

Maybe we could convince Al Davis to buy the team.

You could go back a few years and put Willie Davis in the outfield, too.  And
if you prefer, you could play George Davis at 3B if you find another Davis to
put at SS.  I need two more infielders.  This team would be competitive with an
all-Williams team, plus it's a bit easier to put together.  Of course, an all-
Smith team would be easy to put together, but would it be any good?  After
Ozzie at short, who's left?  Skyrocket Smith at first?


Tim Irvin
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From: rdt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Robert Tennent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Stupidest rule in baseball (perhaps a new one)
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: rdt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Robert Tennent)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Dec16.235351.19866@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> you write:
>>
>>The dropped third strike rule just adds excitement.
>>
>>ami silberman - janitor of lunacy
>>	silber@cs.uiuc.edu
>
>Sorry, but that answer belongs in that janitor's helper, the dustpan
>(thence into the garbage bin and off to the incinerator).
>
>As for the third strike rule, it has nothing to do with "excitement".
>It is a relic of the days when the catchers played 30 feet behind the
>batter, because they were playing without gloves. (Ernie Lombardi,
>take note). On the third strike, the ball is in play, exactly as if
>the batter had hit it, except there is no such thing as going foul. If
>the defense catches it on the fly, the batter is out, just like a
>regular fly. If it bounces, its a force play at first; just like a
>regular ground ball. And if first base is occupied with less than two
>outs, you have essentially the same thing as the infield fly rule: the
>batter is out on any third strike, so you don't have catchers
>intentionally dropping third strikes to get an easy double play.

Beautiful!  A few months ago I posted a question about
this rule to the net.  It seemed to me that there must
be some rationale for it that I couldn't see.  The only
responses I got complained about attempts to change the
rules, which wasn't my intention at all, and claimed
that there are a lot of irrational rules in baseball,
which is clearly false.

Your explanation of the origin makes good sense as far 
as it goes.  But why was the ball considered still in play, 
exactly as if the batter had hit it?

Is it possible that at one time a batter got only one
pitch, and the ball was in play whether he hit it or not;
then the rules were changed to give the batter two more 
opportunities, with the third strike as before?
From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Question for Giants Fans
Date: 18 Dec 1992 06:41:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Summary: Dodgers Suck
Keywords: Except for Dusty Baker!

I am a Giants fan of some 35 years.  The first words I taught my
now-teenaged children to speak were "Dodgers Suck."  But, with the
exception of Steve Garvey, who woulda STILL sucked even if he became a
Giant, I can let bygones be bygones when it comes to a fine managerial
prospect like Dusty Baker.  Dodger fans SHOULD be asking themselves how
come their "team" is saddled with such a useless incompetent like Lasorda
when ex-Dodgers like Dusty Baker abound who could actually do something
with a baseball team.

I am reminded of the Saga of Reggie Smith, one of the most underrated
players of his day.  When Reggie was a Dodger, he was singled out for
exceptional abuse on his visits to Candlestick.  I fondly remember one
game where Reggie climbed into the stands to beat up a drunken fellow who
had said a few words too many to Mr. Smith.

And then one day in 1982, he joined the Giants.

And at the home opener, when Reggie Smith was announced, we booed lustily.
 And when Reggie came to the plate for his first official at-bat as a
Giant, we booed some more.  And he knocked the ball off the outfield wall
for a double.  And so, the next time he came to the plate, the boos were a
bit quieter ... we were thinking that, Dodger or no, Reggie Smith could
hit.  And he knocked another titanic clout off the wall.

The third time he came to the plate, we all chanted in unison: "REG-GIE,
REG-GIE, REG-GIE!"

Hey, if he'd a been an ex-Pirate like Barry Bonds, we woulda cheered from
the get go.  But since he was an ex-Dodger, we waited a few atbats. 
Reggie Smith was Mr. Clutch that season for the Giants; I remember his
season with us as a fine one.

Steven



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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Roger Angell on women sportswriters
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 DEC 92 00:07:41 GMT

 spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>I remember being, well, confused that one of the few sportswriters I 
>admired, Red Smith, could not bring himself to agree that women should 
>reporters should be allowed in the locker room if men reporters are, 
>while Dick Young, one of the most detestable sportswriters ever, 
>ended up supporting the women reporters. 
>
>Not that this even began to make up for all of Dick Young's garbage. 
>His biggest crime was driving Tom Seaver out of New York, but there 
>were many, many others. 

I can understand Red Smith's attitude, because he was the quintessential "old
school" sportswriter.  I agree that Dick Young's "liberal" reaction is out of
character.  But Angell writes in this piece: "During an appearance on the
Dick Cavett show, Mr. Young revived the women-tennis-players joke ['I'm all
for equal rights for gals, but what about my equal rights?  When do I get
into a locker room to interview Chrissie Evert with her clothes off?'] and
then went on to suggest by innuendo that women sportswriters give sexual
favors to athletes as a means of getting news."  That sounds more like the
vicious creep who waged the personal vendetta against Tom Seaver.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Worrell to the Dodgers!!!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:58:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: kovalevs.GRABINER.92Dec11135628
Distribution: na
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: arrow@netcom.com's message of 9 Dec 92 20:24:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.202433.28954@netcom.com>, Les Arrow writes:

> That is really good news. Now if the Dodgers can sign Boggs (please please
> please), and Strawberry is healthy, I think we have ourselves a pennant
> contender.

Given Boggs' home/road splits with Boston (this year was an aberration,
and even this year his OBP and SLG were about the same at home and on
the road), I don't know whether he would hit well in another park.  But
it would be good if the Dodgers could sign him, because it will keep
Cory Snyder off third base.  Snyder will be a fine pinch-hitter, backup
outfielder, and defensive replacement.

> Offerman SS
> Butler CF
> Boggs 3B
> Strawberry RF
> Karros 1B
> Davis LF
> Piazza C
> Reed 2B
> Pitcher

Butler should lead off; Offerman had only a .331 OBP, and his 23 for 39
on the basepaths last year hurt the team.  I'd drop Offerman to seventh
or eighth, and move Davis toward the top if he is healthy.

--
David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Re: Phil Plantier traded, Boggs out the door?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:17:36 GMT
Keywords: Why, why, why, why?

In article <1gnee7INN6dd@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields) writes:
|> In <39k22!f@rpi.edu> tracyj@hall103.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Allan Tracy) writes:
|> 
|> >As a loyal fan of the Red Sox, I have put up with everything from losing the
|> >World Series in '86, which, by the way, was the fault of one Bob Stanley, not
|> >Bill Buckner as most of you in the baseball world like to think,
|> 
|> I never thought it was Buckner's fault, or Bob Stanley's.  It was
|> Joe Morgan's fault.  He left Schiraldi in there at the beginning
|> of the inning even though it was absolutely clear he had nothing
|> going for him at all.  THe first two batters absolutely drilled
|> the ball, but right at the center fielder (Burks?).  Then the
|> hits began.  Should've gotten Schiraldi out of there after the
|> first baserunner, it was clear he was getting killed.
|> 
|> Should have left Roger in, anyway.  Why take your best pitcher
|> out of the game?

Joe Morgan was the manager of Pawtucket at the time.

You certainly mean John MacNamara's fault.  He had everything handed to him on
a plate and he blew it.  Buckner should have never been in there in his state 
at the time.  The guy had trouble tying his shoelaces.  Dave Stapleton was on
the bench, who had been used frequently as a defensive replacement for Billy
Bucks.

As for Clemens, he was rested and could have gone 10 innings if he had to.
MacNamara yanked him for Schiraldi (bullpen "ace" who got hammered by California
in the playoffs) claiming Clemens wanted out due to a blister on his finger.
This was later shown to be completely false.

Johnny Mac underutilized Don Baylor in the series as well.  Look at what Toronto
did in Atlanta to manage getting Winfield, Maldonado, and Carter in the lineup,
playing Carter at first when having to forsake the DH.  Sure Buckner was a .299
hitter in '86, but Baylor had over 30 dingers that year and could always give a
tough AB as well.  Surely Mac could have been more creative with Baylor, who did
play quite a few games at first that year.  Instead, in Shea, Baylor just sat
on the bench, as did Oil Can Boyd who had a very good year and should have
started game 3 instead of Al Nipper.

Oh well, don't get me started on '86...  It was all MacNamara's fault.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:09:18 -0500 
From: Josh S Linder <jl6p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Wade Boggs WITH YANKS

Boggs was signed by the Yankees for 3 years/$9+ million.  This would
mean that the Yankees fill the newly-created but long-standing third
base hole (since they've had more 3rd baseman then times I've gone to
the bathroom), and would place friends Boggs and Mattingly on the same
team.  Now, Rock Rote (sportscaster in New York - CBS), made mention
that the new teammates can trade back injury stories.  True.

Yankees signings to date: Spike Owen, Jimmy Key, Steve Howe, and Wade Boggs.
VIA Deals: Paul O'Neill, Jim Abbott.

Not bad.
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 00:50:40 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: marge.


  "you know, you can say what you want about marge schott, you
   can hiss her, you can boo her, but she's still a damn good
   looking lady."

                              -dave letterman.
                               maybe a little paraphrased.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Subject: Re: Pie Traynor (was Re: Greatest Players by team)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:38:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Third baseman...Gold Glover...long career beginning in the 70's...most of it
in the AL...


Is it Buddy Bell?

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
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 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
From: Ray.Bonenberger@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Ray Bonenberger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: BONDS
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:37:20 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: '86 Sox (was: Phil Plantier traded, Boggs out the door?)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:57:01 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <MR27092.92Dec17060538@macbeth.fmrco.com> mr27092@macbeth.fmrco.com (David Hayes) writes:
>it was Gedman's fault -- the 'wild pitch' should have been scored
>a 'passed ball'.

>        --dph
>--

I think I can summarize what people have said to me in email
as:  almost every player on the team seems to be to blame!

So we're back to what we already knew:  they blew it!

argh!

Andrew, who kicked a whole in a door in the bottom of the *ninth* when
the Mets tied the score....
From: v393qp56@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Viktor Brenner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: What did Winfield say in Sat. Night News confernce?
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The title says it all.

vik 
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