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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: peevish
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:08:06 GMT

In article <76768@ut-emx.uucp> parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal) writes:
>I have two oneway  airtickets for sale from Newark, NJ to Austin, TX.

and similar non-peevish nonsense.

Peeve: Where is the immigration officer when we need him?  Maybe we
should appoint a new one (acting, anyway).

++++++++++++++++++++Seth     sethb@fid.morgan.com++++++++++++++++++++
(*) the splintering sound you just heard was the disintegration of a
    medium-sized clue i accidentally pushed over the edge of my desk.
-- Alexander Vrchoticky
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: philip@vogon.cetia.fr (Philip Peake)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: philip@vogon.cetia.fr (Philip Peake)
Organization: CETIA, France

In article <1992Jul23.100132.8826@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, charles@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Charles Loader) writes:
|> I would prefer more that two engines!  I have heard of cases where the
|> plane has returned to departure point due to the loss of an engine.  I
|> doubt if the first plane that has two engines fail will make back --
|> still aircraft float for a long time don't they?

Float ?

Well, yes, it WOULD float, if you could set it down gently enough.
But assuming no power, 15 to 20 foot waves (a calm day in the atlantic),
and an approach speed of ~ 150 mph, I wouldn't be even one little bit
surprised if *any* plane were to spring a few leaks (read as "disintegrate").

If you want to piss off the flight crew, next time they go through the
"In the unlikely event of a water landing .... " bit, just ask how
man times in the history of civil aviation anyone has walked (swum ?)
away from a "water landing".

But, to answer the origional question - don't worry one bit.
The chances of having any sort of accident where having a few more
engines would make any difference are so remote that you can
forget about them.

What you *can* get upset about is the decision to use 'planes with such
restricted carry on baggage space on long-haul routes.

For comfort and baggage space, give me a 747 any day ... even one
with two engines :-)

Philip
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:27:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>months' notice.  Moral: accumulate those miles if you want, but don't
>assume they'll be around forever or even a year from now for you to
>use.

What, then, do you propose that I do with a whopping 6000 accumulated miles?
-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg)
Subject: Re: info requested on Garuda Indonesia Airlines
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:38:12 GMT

In article <92204.105657JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu> JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I'm posting this for a friend who is leaving this coming weekend
>for a vacation which will take her on Garuda Indonesia Airlines.
>She has found NO information out about the airlines and quite
>frankly is skeptical about them.  Does anyone out there have any
>comments, conerns or other information that might make her
>vacation a little less stressful??????  Thanks.

Garuda Indonesia is OK, their international service is much better
than their domestic service, but that's to be expected.  Our flight
from Jakarta to Yogyakarta (never could spell in Bahasa Indonesia) was
ok, that is we got there in one piece with our baggage but we never
could identify what the tidbits were we got to eat.  We'd been on the
road for a month, so we'd seen some pretty strange food but these
little puppies defied classification.

The flight from Bali back to Singapore (via Jakarta) was superb,
although the did leave 15 minutes early.  I guess all the ticketed
passengers were on board, so they left.  Refreshments were good, cabin
help attentive, and the bags arrived with us.

Erik
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: USAir Lowers Miles Needed for Europe
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:59:15 GMT

>AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod) writes:

>>   I agree entirely. Customer loyalty is all the airlines have. Further,
>>consider that just this week, USAir LOWERED its FF miles on all European
>>flights. Hmmm. Then consider that as of Aug 1, Delta is will announce new and
>>hopefully improved FF milage schedule.

In article <yuan1.712001299@husc9> yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) asks:
>Really?  Where did you hear that, and do you have any further details?

According to Inside Flyer magazine (July 1992), as of July 1, 1992,
USAir lowered the miles needed for flights to Europe:

Type                   New              Old

Economy (off-peak)     40,000           50,000
Economy (anytime)      60,000           75,000
Business (anytime)     75,000          100,000
First Class (anytime) 100,000          150,000

These are good on USAir, Air France, Alitalia, British Airways, KLM,
Lufthansa, Sabena, and Swissair.

It will probably show up in the July mailing of the USAir Frequent
Traveler Newsletter, assuming one had activity in May or June.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: iadt3mk@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kustermann)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:29:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul20.142105.18663@athena.mit.edu>, cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) writes:
> 
 Heard a posting about the above a few days ago. Am pretty interested in getting
 the card as it is suppose to combine the advantages of Citibank as well as earn
FF miles on AA. The only catch is the $50 annual fee but a free companion ticket
 goes with application before August something.

 What are your experiences with the card and you think the $50 is worth it ?
 
 cheeky@athena.mit.edu

 I got this card last year.  I immediately took all other plastic (gas/de-
 partment store/other visa cards) out of my wallet and use this credit
 card exclusively for EVERYTHING.  If I can charge (even small amounts)
 I will do it.  Mind you, I ALWAYS pay my credit card balance off!
 I think the $50 is worth it (although my other VISA card is free) and 
 you can add a lot of FF to your account without actually flying (if indeed
 you are not a frequent flyer).
 If you have MCI as a phone carrier, be sure to sign up with them, too.
 They will give you 5 FF miles on American for every $1 spent on a long
 distance phone call (I call overseas all the time and get lots of FF that
 way).
 Sometimes Citibank has a promotional deal where they credit you with 5000
 miles just to sign up for this credit card. Likewise, MCI has similar
 specials, too.  You need to call their 800 numbers to find out specifics.
 
 Michael

-- 
Michael Kustermann - Georgia Institute of Technology - Atlanta, GA 30332
iadt3mk@prism.gatech.edu -----------------------------------------------
From: kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karin Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: ticket Pitt=>San Francisco
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:27:22 GMT
Organization: Office of Planning & Budget, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Sell one way ticket:

American Airlines
Pittsburgh to San Francisco via Dallas
for a female
24.August (can be changed for $25)

I paid $250, please make me an offer.

Karin
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:31:50 GMT

In article <92204.175127ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman) writes:
>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.

The 767  is one of  the safest  airplanes  in the  sky.   True,  it is
smaller than a 747, but it is still a rather large  plane.  It has two
aisles, and a 2-3-2 configuration on most airlines.  I would not worry
about it's having only two  engines.  The FAA has strict certification
rules which the 767 has passed.  Among other things, the airplane must
be able to complete  rotation and take off  with  one engine out.  

Don't worry about it,
				reb

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Airplane choice
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:08:39 GMT

Anthony> == Anthony A. Datri <datri@convex.com> 

 Anthony> I [...] still haven't figured out why some people care what
 Anthony> sort of aircraft is used, modulo the possible

(and there it ended, so I don't know what he was gonna say)

I can think of several reasons:

1) Comfort.  I'd rather fly on a 757 than a DC-9/MD-8x, for example.
Faster and (IMHO) more comfortable.

2) Safety.  Obviously this is an issue of personal perceptions, but I
know many people who prefer a 757 to a DC-10 to an A-320...

3) Airfandom.  If you're aesthetically inclined to dislike airliners
with engines that look like total afterthoughts, you might not want to
ride a DC-10.  If you haven't had as much time in a TriStar as you'd
like, you might take the Delta flight over the United, and so on.

I'm sure there are other reasons for other people; these are my main three.
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:08:59 GMT

>On most domestic flights is what we want reliable, ontime service that 
>does not cost a fortune for the airfare?  If this is the case, do we really 
>care if we are flying a jet airliner such as the 727, 737 or even 757?

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:22:42 GMT, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) said:
> Affectation.  "Business" people like to pretend that they and their time are
> more important than they really are.  Unless I'm confused, prop planes travel
> more slowly than the typical jet, and the typical business type believes
> that every second of his/her time is worth a zillion bucks.  I laugh every
> time I see one wearing a suit, jammed into a seat with a briefcase, twenty
> tablets, and a ream of 132 column COBOL output, furiously hacking MS-DOS.

When business people travel, their company is paying for their time and
their expenses.  While their time isn't worth a "zillion bucks," both of
the postings above clearly underestimate the costs and factors involved.

Consider a week long business trip for a $75K/year employee from a home
office in LA to the east coast.  Around 15 hours out of the week are
just for transportation from the LA office to a hotel on the east
coast.  That's $500 salary, and at least a $500 airplane ticket.  Eeks,
$1000 and the employee hasn't done a thing yet.  Assuming the employee
arrives relatively relaxed and without fatigue, s/he will probably go
through the other 25 hours of the week drowsy because of the 3 hour
time difference.  The company will spend around $600 in travel expenses
for a week's hotel, food, and car rental.

This best case scenario will cost the company $2500 ($1100 expenses +
$1400 wages) to get 25 hours of work out of an employee operating at
<80% productivity.

Now squeeze that same employee into the middle seat on a DC9 for a
coast-to-coast flight, and add a 1 hour flight delay, and I guarantee
you that the employee will get virtually nothing done, for $2500.
If the employee is in sales, it may cost the company hundreds of
thousands of dollars (or more) in lost sales.  

While time and comfort are relatively intangible items to vacationers
(who can sleep late their first night on vacation), they play a very
real role in the productivity of a worker.  

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|									  |
| Kraig R. Meyer		   	                 kmeyer@aero.org  |
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: philip@vogon.cetia.fr (Philip Peake)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: philip@vogon.cetia.fr (Philip Peake)
Organization: CETIA, France

In article <1992Jul23.022727.15614@news.eng.convex.com>, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
|> >months' notice.  Moral: accumulate those miles if you want, but don't
|> >assume they'll be around forever or even a year from now for you to
|> >use.
|> 
|> What, then, do you propose that I do with a whopping 6000 accumulated miles?

Give 'em to me  ?     :-)

Philip
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: plk1@cec2.wustl.edu (Pam Kornreich)
Subject: Info or cheap ticket wanted (Brisbane, AUS -> USA)
Keywords: Brisbane Australia, ticket, cheap
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:31:45 GMT

Hello peoples!

I'm looking for information on how to fly
AS CHEAP AS POSSIBLE for a one-way ticket from
Brisbane Australia to the USA (any where in the US would
be fine) ..

I don't know much about how selling international 
tickets work- so if anyone has a ticket they want to 
sell- (if that is possible?).. please get in touch.

I am enquiring for a friend who is looking to 
come from Australia to the USA sometime next March..
but I figured we might as well look early for some 
cheap airfares!

Anyone with suggestions or info- please email me!

Thanks in advance!

Pam Kornreich
jessy@maria.wustl.edu

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Washington University in St. Louis, MO... Computer Science.. OF COURSE!;-)
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: TWA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:53:00 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <4510@bacon.IMSI.COM>  jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
> I believe they will be flying in August, but I don't think anyone knows
> for sure.

I was speaking to an AA flight attendant while on line at the sandwich place
in the AA Nashville terminal last night (Au Bon Pain, food was very good,
the service was the worst you will likely ever encounter, they simply did
not understand that this was a hub and everyone needed to be served before
their planes left in 20 minutes), and we were talking about crowded planes
and Braniff.  I mentioned TWA and she said that she had a friend who worked
for TWA and that they had heard rumors about a September 2nd date as being
something like the end of the line.  I find this a little hard to believe
because Labor Day is late this year and this would be before the holiday,
but I'm not sure that I would want to be holding tickets for any TWA flights
much past that.  I also tend to doubt that they will just fold.  I just hope
someone merges their frequent flyer plan into their own so I can finally do
something with my leftover mileage.

By the way, I find that TWA has the least pleasant/competent folks answering
their reservations lines.  I know that Henry (and others) complain about
their service in general, I'm not sure I'd agree with that, but certainly
they do not give you a good first impression.

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: WANTED:  SFO-NYC OW TICKET (Skip if you don't have a ticket)
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:07:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

WANTED
------

WHAT:  ONE WAY TICKET FROM SFO-NYC

WHEN:  SEPTEMBER 8th ONLY

AIRLINE:  ANY

Will pay $100 or best offer.

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: liren@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liren Chen)
Subject: Northwest First-Class upgrade coupons
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:23:25 GMT


2 Northwest First Class Upgrade certificates for sale, each good for
a one-way upgrade. Certificates are redeemable at time of ticketing
or on day of departure at airport, valid on any published fare
(excluding Q, V and K class) for travel within the 48 contiguous
United States and Canada. Travel must be completed by 8-31-92.
Asking $5 each.


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong)
Subject: Airfare USA - India
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:08:20 GMT

I plan to travel to India dec92 and return in Jan. Does anyone know the
best airline to travel with in terms of price? I would like to travel
anywhere from anywhere in the East i.e D.C, New York, Detroit, Chicago
etc, landing in Bombay.
Please reply by personal e-mail.
Thanks,
 Felicitas.

Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3374 rec.travel:10521 nj.forsale:1469
From: jrp7260@hertz.njit.edu (jeffrey r pych cis stnt)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel,nj.forsale,md.forsale
Subject: 2 roundtrip tickets: Maryland -> California
Summary: cheap tickets
Keywords: cheap, good deal
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:31:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


I have two roundtrip tickets to Califoria from Maryland.  Here's
the info:

	AIRLINE	FLT	DATE	FROM		TO		LEAVE	ARRIVE

	USAIR	133	21AUG	BALTI/WASH INT	SAN FRANCISCO	7:20am	11:21am
                                Friday

	USAIR	1474	30AUG	LOS ANGELES	BALTI/WASH INT	7:00am	3:05pm
				Sunday

One male name, one female name.  We had planned to drive down the coast from
San Francisco to LA after spending a few days in wine country.  I paid
$227.50 for each ticket.  Make offer.  If your interested, call me at
(908) 457-3107 or email pych@mso30k.att.com .

Oh yes, they can be changed for $25.

Jeff Pych
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Two roundtrip airline tickets forsale
Keywords: Newark -> San Francisco -> Newark
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:16:30 GMT

charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) wrote: 
->Hold on.  Isn't it true that the dates of these tickets can be changed
->*only* if the airline has seats available in the same fare class on
->the dates you want to change to?

you got it.

-> ...  If so, saying (like so many of these
->postings do) "dates can be changed" is misleading, if not deceptive.
->And the real value of the tickets is considerably less than face value.

now, now.  you're not supposed to expose these frauds when you see
them.  what about what p t barnum said, about suckers born every
minute? :)

->"You'd look perfect in something long and flowing...say, a river."

cute.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: jwc@netxcom.netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: A dirty mail I received
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:30:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

In article <1992Jul28.062409.20492@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
  [dirty mail mercifully deleted]

This has *nothing* to do with rec, travel, nor air. Please do not air your
dirty laundry. I like to read good information on usenet, not trash. Thanks
just the same. Stop polluting *everybody's* environment.

And chranasinghe@ucdavis.edu (Chula H Ranasinghe), you should take some
lessons in humility, civility, human relations, and history.

-jc
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Marc Chamberland)
Subject: currency exchange
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:38:20 GMT

I will be travelling to London next week (from Canada). Where
is the best place for me to buy British pounds? Should I exchange
in Canada, in London, in an airport? Should I exchange to 
American bucks first?

Marc

Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3588 rec.travel:10781
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
Subject: American Airlines AAirborn (Fear of Flying) Seminar Schedule
Summary: subject to change
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:02:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

Just got a card in the mail with the remainder-of-1992 schedule:

San Juan, PR		July 31-August 1
West Palm Beach, FL	August 7-8
Philadelphia		August 14-15
Honolulu		August 21-22
Detroit			August 28-29
Toronto, Canada		September 12-13
Chicago-O'Hare		September 12-13
Newark, NJ		September 19-20
Dallas/Ft. Worth	September 26-27
San Diego		September 26-27
Boston			October 3-4
Newburgh, NY		October 9-10
Orlando			October 10-11
Atlanta			October 17-18
Seattle			October 17-18
San Jose, CA		October 24-25
New York-LaGuardia	October 31-November 1
Minneapolis		October 31-November 1
Chicago-O'Hare		November 7-8
Washington, DC		November 7-8
Dallas/Ft. Worth	November 14-15
Orange County, CA	December 5-6

For more information and a free brochure, call:  800-451-5106.

(And yes, you get FF miles for your AAirborn graduation flight. :-)

Charleen
--
I went to this restaurant last night that was set-up like a big buffet
in the shape of a ouiji board.  You'd think about what kind of food you
want and the table would move across the floor to it.
                             -- Steven Wright
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: JFK -> LGA/EWR
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:35:32 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Scott Barman <scott@asd.com> writes:

	There are no direct services from either airport to Newark
	(unless you take a cab or a helicopter--NY Air charges [I
	think] $45 for this trip).

New York Helicopter runs service from JFK to TSS (E. 34th Street
Heliport) throughout the day.  It's about $65, unless you have a
full-fare Coach ticket from the west coast, or a Business Class or
First Class ticket on airlines that have reciprocal arrangements (most
of them) with HD (New York Helicopter's two-letter-code is HD), where
it can be $25 or free (depending on the ticket; the combinations are
many, and I don't have a list).

It varies whether they fly to EWR from TSS or not.  Sometimes they do
for months at a time, then they suspend it.  It appears to be a
function of demand ... when they do offer it, the flight JFK->TSS
or JFK->TSS->EWR is the same fare.

In any case, you change helicopters at TSS when they do this, so as any
rec.travel.air FAQ reader knows, this is not "direct" service, but
rather "one-stop" :-)

/jordan

ps: JFK->LGA is probably best done by cab