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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2811

                           Tuesday, July 21, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Blink Talk Digest # 656

                             Do You Have The Nac
                              B n s and grade 2
                          Re: braille and spelling
                            Re: food for thought
                            Re: vendor favoritism
                         Re: Speaking Of Radio Shack
                              clocks in church
                            Re: B n s and grade 2
                         Re: trivia question again.
                             DOGS AND LANDLORDS


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Subject: Do You Have The Nac
From: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/730 - QST, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BK>   However, Dan seems to think that nac makes
 BK> little difference, so I was wanting his thoughts on the subject of why
 BK> he thinks so.

what i infurred is that in the overall picture of things, nac isn't what
the majority of blind folks are concerned with.  i don't mean to suggest
that nac is a body we as blind folks would like see remain and i applaud
nfb's efforts in fighting their existence but the priorities are
assbackwards in that unemployment and access and rehabilitation are what we
are concerned with.  hope this helps
dan
... "I SURE FEEL MORE LIKE NOW THAN I DID AWHILE AGO!"

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Subject: B n s and grade 2
From: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

a bunch of you on here told me what I believed to be the case that
braille and speak was not capable of producing grade 2 braille
output. now I don't know much about b n s yet and I don't plan to
learn any more than I have to in order to create and move around in
a file.  however either most of you don't know the capability of
your own machine or someone has accidently stumbled on something
that is the best kept secret. I saw a girl at work create a file
today. she turned the translator on and when she outputted it to
the blazie it came out in grade 2 braille. she said when she
creates the file she turns the tranlator on and brailles in grade
two. then when she prints it she does I think she said a cord b and
a cord t and the paper product comes out in grade 2.  so you all
figure this one out. tandy

Pilots are just PLANE people
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Subject: Re: braille and spelling
From: Stew.Bowden@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Stew Bowden)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Kelley: the same thing happened to me when I had to take
spelling tests in Braille in elementary school. Had to write the
words in grade 1 braille which seemed unnatural. Funny thing, when
I got to secondary school, the teachers no longer cared and I wrote
everything in grade 2. O well, guess some teachers just weren't
consistent. Take care. Stew

... I can resist everything except temptation.
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Subject: Re: food for thought
From: Stew.Bowden@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Stew Bowden)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Lee: regarding mainstreaming, if conditions were ideal, if all
ser vicers could be provided, if there was a way that blind
students could work with their sighted peers without feeling
inferrior because they had to work slower, if all these things
could e fixed I would agree to do away with residential schools in
a heartbeat.

However, not one of these conditions has been satisfied to my way
of thinking, therefore, I believe that every blind child should
spend some time in the residential school. If for no other reason
than to learn how to survive. Today, schools in general are in bad
shape, and unfortunately, the residential schools are no better.
Having to mix multi-handicapped students with blind students with
normal and often exceptional abilities is bad for both groups.
Parents are upset, teachers have problems trying to teach to often
three or four different abilities in the same classroom, and, in
short, while mixing them has been economically advantageous, from a
practical point of view, it just isn't working.

Guess that's why I'm glad to be out of it. From an administrative
point of view, you had constant wories about the welfare of all.
Not because anything you were doing was unsafe, but the nature of
many of the m.h. students was such that serious illness could come
along at any time, and many with brittal bones were constantly
having serious breaks, which often placed the school in a most
difficult position. You had to spend endless amounts of time
proving to parents, social agencies, and often the courts, that
your policies in no way contributed to the child's difficulty. It
just became not worth it. Take care and see you again. Stew

... If it's working PLEASE ...Don't make Love to it!!!
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Subject: Re: vendor favoritism
From: Doug.Coyle@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Coyle)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I would love to
BB>attend one of their meetings, but no doubt somebody would find an excuse
BB>to eliminate me when they discover that I am a free thinker and willing
BB>to express myself as such without fear of them.

okay, y'all, I just realized my caps lock was on when I wrote this,
so fix your configurations accordingly.  I refuse to rewrite it.

[Note from Bill McGarry -- I flipped caps to lower case and vice versa.]

If you are a free-thinker then you don't have any business joining
an organization like the nfb, and that's fine.  That's your
privilege and you should guard it well if that is what you want to
do.  You as a free-thinker would not be a good team player.  I draw
a distinction between a team player and a sheep.  A sheep doesn't
think for himself or do anything to contribute to his own welfare,
but blindly follows the leader.  A team player may fight, scrap,
kick and scream in the huddle, but when it's time to play football,
the quarterback calls the signals.  I just finished reading that
article which was referred to earlier in the echo which fat mouthed
Dr.  Jernigan.  It reminded me of other articles I read in a
different context.

I used to belong to a Christian ministry which had a president who
was a strong charismatic leader.  I attended their college, went
through their leadership training program and participated in their
programs for about 12 years.  I was very loyal to the president of
the ministry not because he demanded it but because he earned it.
Later on in his life he began to demand it, but that didn't bother
me because I still was willing to play on the team. After he died,
the organization began to take some turns which I did not like, and
then a great upheaval started similar to the split between the acb
and nfb civil war.  Some people were kicked out of the
organizaqtion and others of us left.I was among those who left,
simply because I was no longer willing to play on the team.  Even
though I disagree with this organizations positions I will not bad
mouth them because they have a right to do whatever they want. Dr.
Jernigan may be a tyrant to demands loyalty from his followers in
the opinion of the disgruntled, but I believe he has a right as
quarterback to expect his people to respond when he calls the
signals.
If the internal politics of the federation do not allow for
individual expression then that is something they will have to work
out.

I just got my federation membership card today, and I joined the
federation as opposed to acb because I personally think that "go
along to get along" politics doesn't work.  That's just me.  For
some others they may like the more mild approach.  I think there is
room for both organizations out there, as well as room for
free-thinkers like yourself and team players like me, and yes, some
sheep.  This backbiting is getting a bit boring.

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Subject: Re: Speaking Of Radio Shack
From: Donna.Siren@p19.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Donna Siren)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.19 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 PS> starts beeping and chiming away for several minutes.  I always make sure
 PS> my Radio Shack talking watch is set to the silent mode when I get to
 PS> church.

I usually let mine ding on the hour.  I set my watch with wwv and
have it set to the second and it's interesting to see just how off
everybody else's is.  If my watch were the only one in the place to
make noise, I would put it in silent mode, but noone else does, so
I don't worry about it.

               Donna

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Subject: clocks in church
From: Donna.Siren@p19.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Donna Siren)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.19 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BK> Does church get that boring to you? <grins>  Don't worry, sometimes
 BK> I'd probably go to sleep if I weren't sitting the 2nd row from the
 BK> front.

I have dozed before, once or twice when we had a super long-winded
preacher.  It was a real temptation to bring my talking time 1 and
have the alarm set and turn it up just in time for him to hear it
say "please hurry."

               Donna

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Subject: Re: B n s and grade 2
From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 TW> turns the tranlator on and brailles in grade two. then when she
 TW> prints it she does I think she said a cord b and a cord t and
 TW> the paper product comes out in grade 2.  so you all figure this
 TW> one out.

Tandy,
    I think this thread was getting too confusing to follow, but here's
my understanding of the situation.

     If you use the translator when you create your file, it is, of
course, in the form of grade 2 braille.  If you then transmit it to a
print printer, or want it stored as straight ASCII on whatever source
you're sending it to, you turn the translator on in the status menu.  In
other words, it "reverse translates" the braille file to an ASCII file.
    If, however, you are sending it to a braille printer, and you want
it to be printed as the braille file it was composed as, you turn the
braille translator off in the status menu.  This way, it will be sent
out just as you composed it, no reverse translation taking place, and
assuming you formatted it correctly, it should at the least be readable
grade 2 braille in hard copy.
     The commands your friend is using to do this is probably a chord P
for the status menu, then a simple t for translator, then an n for no.

    I honestly seldomly use the braille translator when creating a file,
mainly because I seldomly take more than a few notes with my Braille 'n
Speak, and hardly ever want hard copy braille of those I do take.  If,
however, I did, I would probably still want to send it to a PC and do a
good translation with Turbo-Braille, so I would still probably not use
the translator in my creation of the file.  If one does do alot of
sending directly to a braille printer from their Braille n Speak, I
think what I've said above is how to do it though.
                                        Willie

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Subject: Re: trivia question again.
From: Doug.Geoffray@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Geoffray)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 CH> Which speech software will support 50-line vga mode?  What
 CH> about 59  line vga mode?  (only available on some monitors :-)

Chris,

I can tell you Vocal-Eyes will support a screen up to 99 by 99.  That is
99 characters per line and 99 lines per screen.  Actually Vocal-Eyes can
support 255 by 255 but the user interface only allows 2 digits.  Humm..
If this is a problem, I can very easily increase the number of digits
to 3.  This would allow the full 255 by 255.

Regards,
 Doug

... GW Micro -- Fort Wayne, IN -- (219) 483-3625

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Subject: DOGS AND LANDLORDS
From: Karen.Winnett@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Karen Winnett)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi,

When I moved into my new apartment last September, I was soemwhat
surprised when the managers of the complex demanded a two hundred
dollar pet deposit for my Guide Dog Toby.

I informed the managers that I believed the law prohibited them
from levying a deposit against a dog guide. Shortly thereafter, the
management told me that the property owners informed them that they
could, for a fact, charge a pet deposit for a dog guide and then
did charge me a two hundred dollar deposit for Toby.

After speaking with the social department at Guide Dogs for the
Blind here in California, I was informed that they believed
although it was in very poor taste, the owners of my aparytment
complex most certainly could charge me a pet deposit for my Guide
Dog. So, of course, I figured that was that and I paid that two
hundred bucks.

Yet, going through the California Civil Code concerning itself with
dog guides, it very clearly states " No extra charge can be levied
by a public accomodation, common carrier or landlord because of the
dog guides presence.

This civil code applies to housing including all property for rent
or use except private single dwellings of no more than one room. (I
live in a three room apartment.)

So how is it that I can be charged a pet deposit for a dog guide
being present in my home when California Civil Code says that a
landlord cannot levy any such extra charge? Also, why does the same
Civil Code make it very clear that even though such an extra charge
cannot be levied, just the same, the dog guide user is responsible
for any damage done by the dog guide.

Is this all a matter of legalese word play that I am not
understanding? Any thoughts on this subject?

Keepin' the faith!

.                           Vixen

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