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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:59:09 -0400 
From: Frank T Lofaro <fl0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Why is TCP/IP treated like it isn't really part of Linux sometimes?

Sorry if this sounds like a whine, but I am considering getting an
effort going here to better support networking in Linux, and am
wondering if it is worth it, so please bear with me:

	Why is TCP/IP treated as not really part of Linux much of the time?
TCP/IP is very important to some of us (I know a *LOT* of people here at
CMU where that is *THE* primary consideration when it comes to running
Linux). We discuss X, international keyboards, CD-ROMs, terminal
concentrators, and everything else under the sun on this newsgroup here,
but push off most of the TCP/IP discussion to the NET channel of the
mailing list. I understand some specialization into different
lists/newsgroups is good, but TCP/IP really should get a fair share of
the dicussion here. If Linux really wants to be considered a real UN*X
and be *useful* to people, they have to support what has become a
central feature to UN*X, i.e. networking (which UN*X does better than
any other OS, since it is multi-user and multi-tasking). We need
everyone's input, so we can work out the bugs. Also, we should look at
already existing TCP/IP code out there (like the 386BSD TCP/IP), if it
wouldn't be too dangerous when it comes to AT&T (which I doubt, since
the code is public by now, but I'm not a lawyer). We should give more
priority to implementing the TCP/IP ioctl's and fixing all bugs TCP/IP
still has (like kernel panics, sockets returning invalid argument,
especially with X) Also, the hidden directories bit isn't productive
anymore.

	Finally, make TCP/IP be compiled into the kernal by default! It is part
of it! SLS 0.98 has SCSI CD-ROM compiled in, but not TCP/IP. Standard
UN*X pratice dictates that one have the standard kernel have drivers for
everything, so you can operation until you can customize and complie the
kernel with only the drivers you need. Also, have it come with ftp,
telnet, etc binaries. Many people would really appreciate it.

	I, and I assume many other people who are/want to work on TCP/IP find
these problems very disillusioning at times. So to keep us, and by
extension Linux (its future as a real OS) going, try to work on shifting
your focus more towards networking (a fair share is all we need). Thanks
in advance.

	Sorry if this seems like a flame, its not intended to be. I do *really*
appreciate the work the Linus, Ross Biro, etc. have done with the kernel
and the OS. It is a very good OS with a lot of potential, and I'd hate
to see that wasted. So lets change our attitude towards one that does
not see TCP/IP as apart from Linux, but as a part of it.

	Thanks in advance.

BTW, what I and some others here are working on/going to be working on
is a token-ring driver. We have some code we found, that has to be
merged in the kernel. Before I do anything, I want to make sure  that it
will continue to work with new releases of the kernel, etc. something I
can only depend on if the TCP/IP is properly supported.
From: richard@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Harry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: mount* paradox
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:49:55 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1b9fiqINNfkq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis):
> 
> H.J's new rootdisk supposedly has a new mount on it but i didn't
> want to have to get his rootdisk. So I thought I would manually
> copy stuff over after mounting the floppy. Unfortunately, 

???? I don't understand, you don't want to get his rootdisk yet you want
to mount it. How do you mount a disk you haven't got  ? :)

Assuming you have actually got it, why not boot using this *bootable*
rootdisk, mount your hard disk on /mnt and cp the mount binary from the
floppy to your newly mounted hard disk.


> (BTW, how does one look at a core dump to figure out what the hell
>  happened????? :) )

gdb

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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: New serial driver to try!
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:24:07 GMT
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet

I'm am happy to announce a new serial driver for Linux, which has the
following new features:

	* The Interrupt routine has been made much faster; hopefully
		this should prove performance on 16 megahertz machines.

	* Automatic IRQ detection --- it's no longer to necessary to 
		configure non-standard IRQ's for serial ports.
	
	* Non-standard UART clones found in some internal modems
		should now be recognized (because of the above change.)

	* The driver now supports hardware flow control to prevent
		receiver buffer overruns.

	* Initial support for an optional "Secure Attention Key" which 
		provides a "trusted path" to the login program.
		(See the Department of Defense Trusted Computer System
		Evaluation Criteria, 15 Auguest 1983 for more information.)

	* The termios flag IXANY is now supported.

I'd appreciate it if people with 16 megahertz machines could try this
serial driver at 9600 and 19200 baud.  (19200 may not work if you have
X or any other programs running; as far as I can tell, this the fault
Linux kernel having too high of a interrupt latency, and there's
little the serial driver can do about this.)  Also, I'd appreciate it
if people with internal modems, particular Zoom internal modems, could
try it out and see if the kernel recognizes the modem now.

It can be found on tsx-11.mit.edu, in /pub/linux/ALPHA/serial.  The
patches can be applied to either 0.98 or 0.98pl1.

If you have any comments, suggestions, or bug fixes, please send them to
me.  Thanks!

						- Ted
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cummings@bbird8.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: Video cards for linux
Organization: PrimeService, a ComputerVision Company
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:57:56 GMT

In article <1973@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, tucker@yuppie.enet.dec.com (David Tucker / KC4ZGO / tucker@yuppie.ENET.dec.com) writes:
|> Is the S3 supported?

What do mean by "supported".  The S3 video voards are 100% VGA compatible
in standard text video modes, which is what Linux requires be available.
Then again, so do other SVGA, VGA, MCGA, EGA, HGC, CGA, MDA, and probably
even PGA video cards.  As long as the card supports video mode 3 or video
mode 7 upon system reset, it will work with Linux.  If you are refering to
whether or not the card will work with Xfree86 or some other software
package, that is a different answer.  And the answer there varies from
software package to software package, and has little to do with Linux
per sae.  Linux only uses (one) text video mode.  Other software may try
and use the graphics modes available.

To relate this to some messages earlier in this thread, if your video board
can be mapped into a different memory address, then it should be capable
of co-existing with a "VGA" board.  Text mode assumes that the video memory
is at B8000 under DOS for color boards, and B0000 for monochrome boards.
I'm not sure if Linus is using the same addresses or not.  But he must be
doing some kind of re-mapping for his Virtual Console support.  If he can
do it for 8 different video consoles on one board, how hard can it be to do
it for two different boards.

Some of the technical problems associated with two or more vide cards
besides the making sure the addresses of the video memory don't conflict
is to make sure that the IO addresses of the video registers don't conflict
as well.  IBM defined one set of addresses for monochrome registers, and
a second set for the color registers.  Many of the EGA/VGA compatible cards
support both register sets, and need to be programmed as one or the other
in order to co-exist with another card.  Some cannot do this easily as they
revert to the wrong state upon a hardware reset and need to be dealt with
early in the system startup.  You may find yourself doing some specialised
coding in boot.S or setup.S in order to fix this.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram)
Subject: At last: the media woke up
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:16:22 GMT

Hi,


The last few months, I was a bit annoyed about the little attention
that Linux got in the world computer press.
I really couldnt figure out why the world media could not see that
Linux was so much better than all that commercial junk.

When BYTE did an article on UNIX, all they could mention was
Windows NT, and inferiour Unices that couldnt even do X11.
It just makes ya wanna scream out: wake up, dimwits.

To my knoledge there had been only one publication on Linux.
That was in 'iX', a german mag. (rather 'cult'ish, with few readers.)

However, in the November issue of another german mag. C'T, there is
an article on Linux. C'T is a very popular magazine of high scientific
quality, and available all over Europe. The article was pretty
possitive on Linux (as to be expected... kinda hard to write an
article that puts Linux down).

I wonder if there has been an American magazine who did an article on
Linux yet. I myself am Dutch, and I am pretty sure the first article
on Linux in a Dutch mag. will only happen in five years or so.
(Dutch computer magazines really suck, and are very backward).

Then again, it makes ya wonder if Linux would be better off, when
exposed to the world at large. The cult-like Linux community probably
has its advantages, but every time I read some retarted journalist's
junk about Windows NT being the OS of the future I can't help thinking:
'Boy, U R wrong'.

	Take care,

		Bram Stolk

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|  to throw yourself at the ground,   |  Dept. of maths. & computer science|
|  and miss..."  - Douglas Adams      |  University of Amsterdam	   |
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From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick "The Linux Freak" Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Ode to Linux
Date: 14 Oct 1992 13:16:52 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: Actually, it's a limerick...
Keywords: Bad Poetry

		I downloaded 'O'-nine-six-'c',
		distributed by MCC.
		Now I lust every patch
		and I download in batch
		typing "Thanks!" at the prompt "ftp>".

It has been justly observed that ignorance is preferable to error.N.Webster
Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tep@engr.uark.edu (Tim Peoples)
Subject: Chicken and egg: How was the first linux gcc binary created??
Summary: Just wondering
Keywords: gcc linux egg chicken soup
Reply-To: tep@engr.uark.edu
Organization: University of Arkansas
Organiztion: University of Arkansas, Dept. of Computer Systems Engineering
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:49:26 GMT


   As I was standing in the shower this morning I was thinking (I do
my best thinking in the shower) "How did Linus generate that first
gcc binary?"  This was prompted by a newbie question about compilers
where he said something like "I can't compile a compiler until I have
a compiler to compile it."

   I guess Linus is the only one who can answer this but I figured it
would also be of general interest.  So Linus, how'd ya do it???


-- 

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| tep@engr.uark.edu                    | to talk of many things,             |
| Dept. of Computer Systems Engineering| of simms and sockets and semaphores |
| University of Arkansas, Fayetteville | of processes and pings....          |
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From: J.Jagger@sheffield-city-poly.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: boot choice & H.J's release
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: J.Jagger@sheffield-city-poly.ac.uk
Organization: The Internet

My /dev/hda1 currently is a small dos partition that boots into
DOS. I have left a small /dev/hda2 for a linux kernel, so that I can
have a boot choice at boot time. Can someone please point me to a
utility and docs that will enable me to do this.

I tried H.Js rootdisk and bootdisk over the weekend. With that I was
able to boot into linux, but then I couldn't get into DOS. I'd like a
choice.

Finally a few questions and observations from H.Js packages.

1. With H.Js package how do you install files that are not rawritten
to the floppy. Is it
mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
On the same lines is mtools available for H.Js release?

2. Where can I get the source files for H.Js kernel image ? His docs
say that you need the header files from a virgin linux 0.98p1 sys.

3. How do you change the keyboard in H.Js stuff. Is this a case of
solve 2) above first ?

In H.Js docs at one point he tells how to use lilo and the line uses
/dev/hdxx  I found this only worked with /dev/hdx. Also H.Js package
give the message tput: command not found, at logout. Lastly I found
that unless you made fstab read only it would change from one boot to
the next. Really.

Can't wait to get it all running.
Thanks in advance
JJ




:: Jon Jagger  J.Jagger@scp.ac.uk
:: Sheffield Hallam University, Pond Sreet, SHEFFIELD S1 1WB
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From: ramirez@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SCSI Floppy drive.
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:11:38 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA

Hello all,

	I am interested in using the Floptical Drive from Insite.  It is a SCSI
3.5" floppy drive with a 21MB capacity.
	A technical support person at Insite told me that the drive works with
the Adaptec 1542.  He also told me that there is a driver for the drive to run
under DOS.
	I was wondering how the SCSI driver under Linux would handle this type
of drive if it is connected to external SCSI port.  I have a AHA1542, which
runs perfectly under Linux.

	I am looking forward to hear your opinion.

edwin
ramirez@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
             ^
	That's a zero.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sthomas@worldbank.org (Sidney F. Thomas)
Subject: Re: TCP problem running X using SLS and 0.98p1-37
Summary: Me too.  Why doesn't -pn flag work?
Keywords: SLS 0.98, XFree86, X386, Orest Zborowski 
Reply-To: sthomas@nimbus.worldbank.org (Sidney F. Thomas)
Organization: World Bank
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:56:49 GMT


In article <1992Oct15.191408.4073@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> fh8n@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Frank Houston) writes:
>
>Hello World
>
>I am attempting to get X running on a trident monitor using the 
>the latest version of SLS. I have RTFM'd the latest faq to 
>no avail . Here is my error file  created by 
>"startx 2> x.err.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Creating TCP socket: Invalid argument
>
>giving up.
>xinit:  Invalid argument (errno 22):  unable to connect to X server
>xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------

I have the same problem with the same SLS 0.98 distribution.  
There are slight differences in configuration though:  I've got
a Logitech bus mouse, and an SVGA card with the et4000 chip set
(Orchid Prodesigner IIs).  I had X working earlier under the
SLS 0.96 release, so I think I have my Xconfig right.  
The Oct. 8 version of SLS 0.98
gave me problems with my bus mouse (X complained, on attempting
to open the mouse, of an "invalid
argument", although the same mouse was "detected and
installed" at boot).  
The mouse problem has somehow been fixed in the Oct. 13 version of
SLS 0.98 (thank you, Peter :-) ),
but the problem of the TCP socket remains.  I've read
the XFree86 write-up, also the man write-ups on X386, XServer,
xinit, etc.  What I could gather is that the -pn flag
on invocation of X386 is supposed to
cause the X server to _not_ try to create a TCP socket.  
I don't want to set up TCP/IP just yet.
Whether this -pn flag is included or not makes no difference --
X386 bombs with the error message reproduced above.  
I am therefore
guessing that the XFree86 version of X386 has changed the flag
for invoking this feature, or disabled it altogether.  Perhaps
Orest has a fix?

--Sidney Thomas
sthomas@nimbus@worldbank.org
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: loopback telneting
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:01:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



i don;t have the correct ethernet card for tcpip under linux but
i would like to be able to tcpip to my own machine. i asked
this question on the mailing list and noone answered.

Could some1 please post or email me what I need to do???
BTW, is there a FAQ??? :)

later

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: nomad@castle.org (Lee Damon)
Subject: Re: question about X11 under SLS 0.98. xinit fails socket startup
Organization: The Castle, not-yet-Public Access Un*x Systems; Mahopac, NY
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:49:50 GMT

And the answer is...

xinit -- -pn

to start X with unix ports instead of inet ports.


>Also, when xinit dies in my case it takes the crt with it, forcing me to
>reboot.  Ideas?

I have this problem too. It leaves the screen "all liney" as a friend
described it. Totally illegible (it looks like stripes runing vertically
distributed aobut at the end of where each character would line up in text).
I can restart X and it works, but when ever I exit, the screen goes. The
only way to recover is to reboot.

nomad
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kraus@rtsg.mot.com (David Kraus)
Subject: Re: Features: what are the status of these?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Division
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:34:25 GMT

In article <UeoueAK00awME9LUs5@andrew.cmu.edu>, fl0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Frank T Lofaro) writes:

> 4. A way to boot Linux into single-user mode. (I.e, with init not
> running /etc/rc, or forking logins, just a root shell). Also, a way to
> boot into non-init mode (what Linux boots into when there is no
> /etc/init, would be also be nice). I guess one could have LILO pass
> options to the kernel, or run a single-user startup or multi-user
> startup kernel to do this.

I was thinking of this as a possible solution to the timing problems
mentioned with regards to the floppy-interface tape drives (QIC 40/80).  If
it truely is timing throwing monkey-wrenches into the works here, what the
heck.  There seems to be a demand for SOME way to back up to an inexpensive
tape unit..

This, of course, would rule out those that refuse to take the system down
for backups.  But for the home hacker who normally doesn't have 5 users on
all the time, it might be a solution, and a way to make a LOT of people
happy.

It could be done with lilo quite easily:  linux and linuxsu kernels.  Just
have 2 kernel images out there.  If you never need single-user mode, then
don't compile that kind of kernel.

This is mostly off the top of my head, and I have no idea how difficult it
would be to implement.  Consider it another idea from the ungrateful users
of the world...;^)
--
Dave Kraus                                         Internet: kraus@rtsg.mot.com
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Disclaimer: My employer's views and my views may necessarily differ.
OBQuote: "Chicago is civilization?" - Me
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: [Summary] Re: Can I use gcc to develop MS-DOS apps ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:09:05 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Oct08.100755.14699@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, wolff@zen.et.tudelft.nl (Rogier Wolff) writes:

| I'd suggest to make, compile and _RUN_  the application under Linux.
| What makes the application have to run under DOS? (its text based)
| Since you't be compiling using gcc in both cases, you'd be pretty
| confident that the final version will prove to compile cleanly 
| under DOS.

djgcc allows mapping the screen into user memory and that makes graphics
stuff really easy to write, so the original poster might have that in
mind. Of course if someone wanted to do the world a great service they
could port djgcc to linux and let us all cross compile. Or if someone
got in touch with DJ he might be interested in running Linux and do it
himself. 

I've resigned myself to running SCO on one system on the net to use from
cross compile to ODS and OS/2.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hans@mo.hobby.nl (Hans Oey)
Subject: Re: man(1) bug?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:08:27 GMT
Organization: Makkee & Oey
Keywords: man, setgid

wyvern@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wyvern) writes:

>While examining the the formatted manpages in /usr/man/cat? the other day
>I came across a rather nasty-appearing bug:
>The formatted man pages are owned by the person who invoked man for that
>page, but are of the group 'daemon'. I tried something:
[...]

This has nothing to do with man. You could just as
easily do a `chgrp deamon' on the file.
It's the `chmod 2777' that should not be allowed
for foreign groups.
--
Hans Oey
hans@mo.hobby.nl
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.sysv.r4