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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Location of the StarBrand (Spoilers for Quasar 40)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:58:05 GMT

Oh come on now.  Quasar isn't really dead.  Aside from the rule about not
seeing the body (he doesn't even _have_ one), and not being pronounced dead
by a physician, Quasar said Kid Reaper would vanish when Quasar died--and
he didn't vanish.

The embryo thing can't possibly become Quasar's permanent successor.  When
was the last time you saw a mainstream superhero comic whose permanent star
is a nonhumanoid?

Wouldn't Contemplator hear Kid Reaper talking apparently to thin air?  Kid
Reaper is drawn in color, and therefore isn't "nullified" and should be
audible.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Bisley (Was Re: Batman: Neil Gaiman)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:48:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Because of the penis he drew on the cover of Lobo's Back #2?
>Is that the reason for his dismissal?
>
>>Where did Bisley draw this penis?  (e-mail or post, your choice)
>
>He drew it on Bimbo's left arm (the big one)

This whole thing sounds ridiculous.  Doesn't DC have editors (or at least
SOMEONE who looks over the artwork before it is published) ???  If they didn't
want it, they should have done something about it before it was published.  To
DC, I say:  TOO BAD.

DC is REALLY pissing me off as of late.  The Rick Veitch thing a few years ago
really set me off, and NOW they cancel JSA, but keep stupid books such as
Thunderbolt, and those dumb new team books.

DC has NO artistic integrity.  They don't favor their artists any more than
Marvel does.  I hope DC collapses as much as Marvel does.

And don't give me that Sandman shit, either...

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Image "Ashcans"
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:05:21 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

	A long while back there was some talk about an ashcan for youngblood
and why image would create ashcans.  I dont know if the question has come
up since them, but I now understand more about whats going on.

	What the image people are trying to do is create "collectors items"
via the mechanism of the "ashcan".  The ashcan is a half-size (in all
dimensions) book with a b&w cover and what looks like photocopy insides.

	The local retailer was selling a "new" ashcan for one of the image
books soon to come out for the "low" price of about $7.00.  They had 10 on
the shelf for sale as an indication of rarity.  

	Real ashcans were done for the purpose of securing publication 
rights on book titles/characters.  These are being done as a cheap gimmick
for the really hardcore dumb fanboys.
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:40:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
 
>Today I'm picking up an issue of SPAWN.  Yes, I know, I'm falling for it.
>But I'm curious to see what impelled Gaiman and Moore to write for SPAWN,
>other than explicit photograps with an inflatable Kitty Pride doll.

Gaiman-inspired, I scribble:

"What impelled Gaiman and Moore to agree to write an issue of Spawn each? Hm.
Possibly the same thing that impelled Dave Sim to agree to write the last part
of the trilogy"

So it sounds as if the illuminati are doing a distinct project.

Tanaqui
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:2439 rec.arts.comics:23085
From: Jym Dyer (NO MORE BU__SH__ IN 1992) <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: CEREBUS: Coupla Usenet Interview Thingies
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:48:36 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
Originator: jym@remarque.berkeley.edu

=\= A zillion thanks to the folks who told me where to find the
Usenet Interview of Dave Sim.  Some have suggested I summarize
what I find out.  As mentioned in part 7 of that interview,
each installment is available for anonymous FTP downloading
from asylum.sf.ca.us.  Files are in pub/cerebus/sim-interview.

=\= As I mentioned recently, I just read *all* the issues.
Now all I want to talk about is Cerebus.  And a few items
from the interview come to mind . . .

2> If, several years after my death, Bank of Iest currency
2> is discovered in some remote area of South America . . .

=\= I can't figure out where the "Aardvarkian Age" map of
Estarcion would meet up with any South American geography.
Even considering 6000 years of geographical wear and tear.
Any takers?

4> Actually the whole nature of the story-line hit me
4> simultaneously while I was coming down off of about a
4> week and a half of doing acid.

=\= Good heavens, I've always suspected as much, even before
I got to "Church and State."  And I believe I mentioned this
theory on the net within the last year.

=\= I don't know *why* I've suspected as much, though -- I've
never had the opportunity to actually do acid myself, so I can't
imagine how I'd know such a thing!
    <_Jym_>
				"You should look behind you,
				Dennis." (54)

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                   1988.
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: BOSTON: r.a.c./Jayembee dinner Sunday
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:34:21 GMT

Oops...make that Sunday the 13th, not Sunday the 12th, which as Dan'l
pointed out in email doesn't happen this month. 

"Carob works on the principle that, when mixed with the right combination of
fats and sugar, it can duplicate chocolate in color and texture. Of course, the
same can be said of dirt." --The Chocolate Book
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:52:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.014048.8753@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>Gaiman-inspired, I scribble:

Is this a Jeanne d'Arc sort of inspiration?

>"What impelled Gaiman and Moore to agree to write an issue of Spawn each? Hm.
>Possibly the same thing that impelled Dave Sim to agree to write the last part
>of the trilogy"
>
>So it sounds as if the illuminati are doing a distinct project.

Aha! I knew it!

Wayne Mills and I recently agreed that the only way to explain the 
disappearance of all those Shadowhawk #1's was some sort of organized
international conspiracy. We dubbed said conspiracy, the "Image Illuminati"

I think this is further proof of said conspiracy.

So how does this work? Is it going to be along the lines of those old
Gaiman/Moore Suicide Squid issues?

Issue 1: Gaiman plots, Moore scripts, Sim draws, McFarlane gloats

Issue 2: Moore plots, Gaiman scripts, Sim draws, McFarlane gloats

Issue 3: Sim plots and writes, Moore does Big Numbers, Gaiman draws (he's
         got professional experience at this, you know), McFarlane gloats 

Gee, I'm up to five issues of Spawn: Cerespawn and the four issues of the
trilogy. Will this lead to the harder stuff? Will I start pestering my
dealer for the latest issue of Youngblood? 

Hold me, I'm scared!
--
 Lance "Size Twelve" Smith  | "The web of our season is of a mingled yarn,
     (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    | good and ill together: our wins would be proud
   "In cabaret, even the    | if our losses whipped them not; and our blow outs
     .sigs are beautiful"   | would despair if not for our own drubbings."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Ben Edlund *is* Bruce Wayne (new BATMAN series)
Keywords: BATMAN
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:22:49 GMT

goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.064547.18911@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>)OK, admit it: when you first saw the opening credits for BATMAN, THE
>)ANIMATED SERIES, you said:
>)
>)    "It's THE TICK!  Look at that jaw!"
>)
>)                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer

>	Well, heck, yeah. I said it back in April when they showed 
>the Man-Bat episode at Wondercon.

Well, Arthur would be more interesting than Robin, that's for sure.
-- 
Cheop's law: Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget.
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From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The new alt.comics.lnh and superman
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:34:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep13.214713.29273@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>These two newsgroups appeared on my system today.  Are they bogus?
>We haven't even sat down to really discuss the possibility of alt.lnh
>and the only superman idea was something I mentioned in passing about the 
>insanity of net carving.  Anyone know?
Both topics have received a lot of flow lately, and I assume that
someone was, like me, sick to death of them.

Jim -- Adding LNH to the kill file...

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B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:07:24 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <1992Sep14.173301.6716@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>In article <716364081.1@selene.FidoNet.Org> Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy) writes:
>>
>>Spawn #8 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Alan Moore
>>Spawn #9 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Neil Gaiman
>>Spawn #10 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Dave Sim
>>Spawn #11 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Frank Miller
>
>I almost am beginning to believe that these guys must be hard up for
>money. I know Alan Moore hasn't had much published lately and perhaps
>Cerebus isn't paying the bills, but this is really strange.

You know, it seems that some r.a.c'ers today have a tendency to split
the comics world into "good" and "evil", where Moore and Gaiman are 
the Paragons Who Can Do No Wrong, and the Image Crew are the Princes
of Darkness, and then the netters get befuddled when they find out that
the people they're talking about don't think this way.

Remember, when Moore stopped working for DC, it wasn't because they had
bad writers and artists, it was because they screwed him out of 
WATCHMEN button royalties.

-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu |  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton
From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Whilce Portacio (Jester)
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:17:00 GMT


	Someone posted a recent message about W.Portacio, and asked what do
	other people think of him and what else he has done.  Firstly, I 
	think W.P is highly underrated.  His style is very distinctive and
	very well done.  Some of the other things he's done; well, early on
	he did some of the first issues of the Punisher(#s 6-11) I think.
	he mainly did a lot of finishes and fill-ins, thus he was rarely
	noticed.  More recently, he has done "Children of the Night", some
	work on X-Factor and most recently, "Wetworks" for Image.  I have 
	not seen his new Image work (I'm actively boycotting them and I 
	hope a lot of people are), but I'm sure its good.  I'm not an expert
	on W.P, I'm sure some one out there has a much more vast array of 
	titles that W.P has worked on.  Again, I DO feel that W.P is HIGHLY
	underrated, and unnoticed.

				Jester
				"One man's jester is another man's fool"
From: pearl@romulus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman Animated: Feat of Clay
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:49:53 GMT
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <1992Sep10.201436.14610@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:

> Here you go:
> 
> Date       Title                           Animation    Villain
> --------   ----------------------------    ---------    -----------------
>  9/ 5/92   THE CAT AND THE CLAW (pt. 1)    Sunrise      Catwoman/Red Claw
>  9/ 6/92   ON LEATHER WINGS                Spectrum     Man-Bat
>  9/ 7/92   HEART OF ICE                    Spectrum     Mister Freeze
>  9/ 8/92   FEAT OF CLAY (pt. 1)            AKOM         Clayface
>  9/ 9/92   FEAT OF CLAY (pt. 2)            TMS          Clayface
> -- 
> 			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y

Hmm... Do I see an episode guide in the making? (Especially with the
Episode synopses you've been posting...)


Steve
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From: jcastle@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Question about Bisley (Was Re: Batman: Neil Gaiman)
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:00:39 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep9.012223.8752@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>  tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:

> [Batman by Gaiman & Bisley]

>> I don't think it's gonna happen, as Bisley was _fired_ from DC recently.
>> Maybe with a different artist.  (Yes, Virginia, the penis was really there).

Where did Bisley draw this penis?  (e-mail or post, your choice)

Julian Castle
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> Tanaqui
From: robs@terminator.CNA.TEK.COM (Rob Sanford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Universal Soldier / Now Comics /Advice
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:54:06 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond, OR


     Last week I posted some info on the above subject and got alot of
queries regarding concerns about getting paid for an illustration once
it has been submitted as finished artwork. Apparently Now Comics does
not have a good reputation for paying the artist but I found they were very
business-like and cooperative once we got a few things resolved. So
here are a few tips for you starving artists out there when dealing
with a client that won't pay.

Tip #1 Make sure you have a contract! Do not do any work until you
       receive this document.This is your binding agreement in case
       the client wigs out.
Tip #2 Get this book. "The Artist's Friendly Legal Guide" by Floyd
       Conner. In it describes what a good contract is made of and
       tips for the artist to be prepared once you receive your
       assignment.
Tip #3 Get to know your state volunteer lawyer for the arts. Every
       state has one or a chapter-get the phone number and give them
       a call if you have any questions or concerns. Some of the phone
       numbers are listed in the above book.

Remember that the advice you get the volunteers is free and they will be
glad to help out.The leverage the artist has is the new copyright laws
that have been passed in most states. In other words if a client does not
pay you can copyright your work within 90 days of completion using a
simple form.If the company has not paid and they decide to publish your
artwork after you have filed, then it becomes a federal offense and
you will make them eat shit! So in summary let your client know that 
you know your rights in subtle ways-don't be a terminator, be a 
diplomat and business-like. Hope this helps and look for my Universal
Soldier cover coming out in a couple of weeks I hope!


Rob
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Pity the poor fanboy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:39:18 GMT

chrstnss@rtsg.mot.com (Steve Christianson) writes:


>It seems that Image has quietly doubled the commonly acknowledged
>print run for Youngblood; therefore, for every copy of YB #1 that
>was ordered/shipped to the direct market, there is another copy
>being kept in a warehouse for a subsequent release.  *First prints*
>Apparently the plan is to put the first three issues of YB in a
>polybag pack and sell the set through Wal-Mart at a price below the
>combined cover prices.
>Imagine: white-faced fanboys rushing out to Wal-Mart to pick up 
>multiple sets of YB 1-3 to protect their original investments (makes
>that San Diego story of the 30-copies-of-YB1-for-$100-to-a-single-
>fanboy look kinda ludicrous now), and "investors" tearing their
>hair out as they watch the price plummet.
>Oh, BTW, Spawn will follow closely in the same manner.

*laughing out loud* Oh, this can't be true. It's too good to be true. 
Hey, I might even change my opinion of Rob Liefeld as an egotistical
jerk if it turns out to be true. (*GRIN* I said "might")

Axly
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:24:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.175436.4758@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> 
> In <1992Sep15.165926.2306@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
> 
> >>>>Spawn #8 (Image)
> >>>>    Writer:  Alan Moore
> >>>>Spawn #9 (Image)
> >>>>    Writer:  Neil Gaiman
> >>>>Spawn #10 (Image)
> >>>>    Writer:  Dave Sim
> >>>>Spawn #11 (Image)
> >>>>    Writer:  Frank Miller
> 
> >The reason that this is such a surprise for everybody is not just
> >becasue it's McFarlene or because it's Image, but because it is a
> >standard super hero. None of these guys have done a standard super hero
> >in years. Gaimen comes the closest with Miracleman, but I would hardly
> >call him standard.
> 
> It could be argued that Spawn is not *standard* super hero material.

Interesting.  How would you argue this?

Kevvy Kev
"Can you take a guy seriously when he claims he doesn't EVER READ A
 SINGLE ISSUE OF ANY COMIC BOOK?"
  -Paul Lewis
From: alejandr@aludra.usc.edu (Ruiz Alejandro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: INDY: good shops in L.A. area!
Date: 6 Sep 1992 18:24:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <t2nnb=#.frost@netcom.com> frost@netcom.com (John Frost) writes:
>I am looking for Comic Book shops in the LA area that sale Indy comix. 
>Any stores that you know of would be great.  
>

For independent comics you should try Golden Apple. Is a chain of
Comic book shops, and they carry most of the titles published, and yes
they give Independents good treat. They have three locations in L.A. so
for finding the nearest to you and also a lot of good information you should
call theit Hotline
                        (213)651-0455
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JSA #3
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:00:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <vanyel.716489337@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>
>I thought JSA had all the elements necessary to make the story fun: Johnny
>Thunder's return (though I thought the word was "Badhinisian," not
>"Badnesian");

But what happened to JONNI Thunder?

-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu |  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton