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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: character named Michael Godwin
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              92 9:44 pm

> I wanted to that. Just that I wish Michael Godwin posts more often to WORDS-L.
> He stood out.

	He's in Texas right now -- and probably set nomail before
he left.  Words'l isn't his main list.

Rita
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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Oh, boy. I guess I had my troubles at school (the four-eyes thing, lisping,
stuttering, etc), but my nemesis was at home.

More than one I went to school with a black eye, bloody nose or welts on my
back because my dad was mad about something.  Going to school was a relief
because it got me out of the house.

The scariest part of any day was when dad would come home.  Nightly lickings
were pretty commmon, for offenses real or otherwise.

This is one of the very few things that I still have a hard time talking
about. I'm deathly scared to have kids because of it.  I can talk with Heidi
and she tries to assure me that I won't do those things but I can't guarantee
that.

It's funny.  The times that make me cry the most about this is when I think
back on that boy who was me, and yet not me, and remember what he and his
brothers and sister went through.  He quite often seems to be someone else.

We could never do anything right and therefore were deserving of punishment,
and beating it into us was a favorite pasttime of dad's.

Ken, you're poem is beautiful and touching.  Actually, reading things like that
helps almost as much as writing them. I can take your words and somehow make
them my own.

I wish I could write about it but it's something Sherlob Holmes isn't going to
be able to solve.

What makes it all the worse is that I know, in his own convoluted way, my dad
loves me and I love him, although I've had to work awfully hard to like him. I
can't wish death and destruction on him, although sometimes I have.

He's the only person I've ever been scared of or who could frighten me on a
continual basis.  I think I stopped being scared of him when I was 16 or
seventeen and he had just whipped my sister for not getting her piano lesson
right or something.  Julie and I were (and are) good friends and she's six
years younger than me.  I realized then how wrong and how evil my dad was and
I vowed he would never hurt my sister again like that.

Something changed for me that day.  Never did dad try to whip any of us again
and I don't think I know why.  But that's the last day I can remember any of us
getting.  My older brother left for the Marines shortly after that, maybe a
year or so later, and not long after my folks split up.

That morning, my dad hit my mom with a broom and she'd finally had enough so
she poured boiling coffee on him and told him to get out.  That was a tramatic
time but also somewhat of a relief for us all.


Chris
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Date: 8 Apr 92 09:49:07
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Natalie requests:

   Can I still come to the clambake even though I was not teased or tormented
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   as a child?
   ^^^^^^^^^^
I'm sure we can take care of that ...

//anne//
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, still alive"
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I don't think Bob Hope should be thought of as so low on the evolutionary
scale.  A few months ago I watched the Montreal Comedy Festival show on
HBO, featuring all the "funniest new comics!!"  By far, the funniest
stand-up during the entire hour-and-a-half show was Milton Berle.

--Aaron
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: econometrics

Noteth       torkel@SICS.SE

>   Yet for some reason there was no immediate clamor of voices complaining
> that you had written "closed" twice (instead of "closed" and "open").
> Can it possibly be that your explanations were not studied in detail
> by the wordslers? Pearls before swine, indeed.

     Perish the thought.  In spite of rather limitted disk allocation
I saved and savored this thread.  When the meaning is obvious it is
the WORDS-L norm (barring the opportunity for a bad pun or bit of
innuendo) to gloss over it and keep going.  Take it instead as the
fellowship of the list.

The Ronin
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:02:28 EDT
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Chicago is flooded...
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              92 7:45 pm

	I heard earlier today that Chicago is OFFLINE in a major
way.  Seems that the undergound tunnels where all the line is run
are flooding.  Electricity, phone are out, etc.  Guess we won't
be hearing from our friends at uchicago for awhile...

Rita
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Ben 'n Jerry's
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Chris and I just got back from a weekend ski trip (winter is not
over in Vermont's Northeast Kingdom - 6 inches of snow yesterday,
4 Friday). Stopped at The Source, Ben and Jerry's ice cream factory
in Waterbury,Vt. on the way home. There is a huge poster of a view
 of the earth from the moon about 10 by 20 feet on the outside of
the building. "I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in" by the Beatles
was playing on the pa system. Besides ice cream, cow and environmental
paraphernalia were for sale, including "1% for peace" bumper stickers.
You can go on a tour of the plant for $1. We had Chocolate Chip
Cookie Dough cones. Yum! Bill
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS

Ken Wolman notes,

"The only thing that frightens me more than the disintegration of
language and 'culture' is the unseen face of the arbiters of
preservation of what is Pure and Good."

No fear.  It's not an unseen face, it's an invisible hand.  As we
learn that sound-bite political campaigns and MTV-like lessons give
us ineffective leaders and uneducated youngsters, we will make the
changes of our own volition.  If our language evolves into a system
of grunts, it will be because we have chosen to give up more complex
levels of expression.

Steve Karlson.

"Oh dear, what is the world coming to?
"Exactly what it deserves."

(from _Atlas Shrugged_)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Did It!
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> > you know that almost all of the delivery-error messages were from France.
>
>      And you still want to go to France to live if you win PCH?

Yes.  I would configure my internet site better than those that have
been bouncing mail lately. :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Swedish cake mix

>The chief problem of computer science as well as software technology
>in this country is that of making these dots appear where they should.
>The amount of time and money spent annually on this problem is staggering.

Now I know why Mathematica is so costly.

tushar
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Subject:      Re: in-jokes and such

You're bi-disciplinary.
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd
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> >--Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>     >Old-Timer
>     >Subscribed to WORDS-L the day it was born

>God, what is an old timer???  I joined up in November 1990!  I guess
>that makes me something of an antiquity here among some of the other
>antiquities (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)!

Antiquity Roll Call: Yo!

What day was it born, BTW?

-abh
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

>BTW,   Welcome to the list!!!

You're not by chance welcoming Natalie to the list, are you?!?  Did I miss
something here?

Chris
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ashe and AIDS
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1992, leah wrote:
>
> Bravo, Ken! You sound as angry as I am. do others share the sentiment? By the
 w
> way, i am not bein
> ay, I am not being holier than thou. I gossip (I think we all do), and I read
> Kitty Kelly on Nancy Reagan. I just have a problem with the press using the
 >  argument of the constitutional right to a free press as an excuse for
printing   and "the people"s right to know as an excuse for invading the
lives of  many


I spend a lot of time trying to get across to student journalists that a
good journalist has enough sensitivity not to go for the sensational at
the expense of those involved.  If there is a legitimate story, of course
you get the story...but I am frequently saddened by what some
journalists consider "legitimate" news. Too many reporters/editors
publishers have bought into the "pond scum school of journalism" and seem
to enjoy finding whatever unpleasantness they can.
ndh
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From:         Frank <ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pedant's Corner (was Russian speakers
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>From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980" <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET>
>
>Notes Frank from Rhode Island, "The English of the doctoral
>dissertation (cannot be) the English of a treatise on economics."
>
>It can be if the doctoral dissertation is in economics, or is a
>treatise on economics, as Paul Samuelson's _Foundations of Economic
>Analysis_ is.
>
Actually, Steve, to be even more nitpicky I inserted "which cannot be the
English of the legal code" between them, and so really I was saying that
Economics cannot be codified into laws.  Well, not really.  But the point
was that the English required for these different situations is different.
Except when it's not.

>Steve Karlson
>
>Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
Frank
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: econometrics

Earlier this week, Tushar spouted his "pet metaphysical theory that
human beings will always turn to 'math' as they delve deeper in
analysing the physical world.  They can't help it.  That's the only
way in which they can reason."

My father speculated that if earthers were ever to communicate
with creatures in other solar systems, they would use mathematics
to communicate.

Didn't astronomers once interpret the very regular pulses from
spinning neutron stars as communication from other solar systems?

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: music-math relationship

Tushar, posting from the University of Chicago, guesses he
may have to shift to economics if he doesn't make head or tail
of "how to listen."

You do have two hands, don't you, Tushar?

Steve Karlson
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Conversation Stoppers
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              92 9:46 pm

> Rita, how do you explain the function of EFF?  (to those who really
> aren't *plugged* in?)

	Well, "funky computer shit" works for some people.  Tonite
I explained what we do as being concerned with the way computer-based
telecommunications are reshaping our society.  We  do this on several
different levels:  from protecting the civil liberties of hackers, to
being active on the legislative front, to helping individuals get online
by promoting more user-friendly interfaces.  Didn't mention how we
just sit around the office sometimes (usually mine for some reason)
shooting the shit and coming up with interesting projects.  EFF
office dynamics are, um, interesting...

Rita
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Time Magazine
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>Did anyone see the article about the changes in Time Magazine?
>I heard that Time is totally restructuring the format and abandoning
>the Times Roman font.


I'm so glad someonw brought this up. Every change Time has made in their format
since 1968 has convinced me that they have sold their sould to the devil and
that the whole magazine has gone to hell. You may want to take the following
comments in that light.

They have indeed abandoned Times Roman, chosen while Luce lived. Instead, some
type house designed a custom font, Time Text, which is theirs alone (until
Adobe or someone licenses it).

Time Text is a lighter, airier face, with more x-height and thinner verticals.
It looks more like display copy than news copy. That, coupled with the new art
direction (wider columns, more white space, lots of pretty full-color
pictures), gives the magazine a much more cohesive look; in fact, it is
impossible to tell the copy from the ads (hey, I think I'll write the editors
that last sentence...it was good!). Time has finally plunged into the abyss
that they've been tiptoing around the edge of for years. Now, they look as
imbecilic as Newsweek, a magazine for babies and Democrats. The USA Today virus
has infected them, and probably rewritten the genetic code permanently. We have
seen the end of journalistic reporting (such as remained) and the succession of
"analysis" to the throne.

Long live mediocrity.

-abh
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Update on Pre-Clam Slam
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       Place:  Cambridge Brewing Company on Hampshire
               Street in Kendall Square Cambridge.  E-mail me or
               Rod Kessler for directions if you need them.

       Date:   Thursday, 9 April.

       Time:   5:15 to 6:00

       Attire: Leather and/or your words-l t-shirt!

I've made reservations under "words-l" and my name (Rita Rouvalis in case
you've forgotten -- I do on occasion).  I'll try to be there right around
5:15.  I'll probably wear my EFF t-shirt (lacking a words-l shirt) and
leather jacket -- I suggest we all post exactly what we're wearing tomorrow
so we can find each other more easily (and better hog bandwidth).

Czarina
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: America's Cup

Anne Harwell noted about NIPPON'S broken boom, "The boom was
secured by a piece of machined titanium, not that that kept it
from snapping."

What's that saw about a chain being as strong as its weakest link?
None of the titanium fittings failed.  In fact, the strength of
those fittings may have contributed to the boom breaking.  It
broke between the gooseneck (a fitting that secures boom to mast)
and the boom vang (a control that holds the boom down in order to
improve sail shape.)  When NIPPON hit that wave, the whole mast and
boom assembly pitched forward, but the vang was on hard and that
checked the forward motion of the boom.  Something had to go, and
what went was the carbon fiber; not the titanium fittings or the
vang attachment.

If any of you own a carbon fiber tennis racket or golf club, you
might have experience with how those things splinter when they
break.

On my boat, something less vital, such as a piece of rope or a
screw shackle would likely give way before the boom would.
I know how to tie knots and there are always spare shackles on the
boat.

I wonder if any of the boats are going to start carrying 2x6s
stowed belowdecks to effect repairs.

Steve Karlson (BBA, MA, PhD, LGYC)
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Well, sorry I missed you.  I have about 700 msgs from various and
sordid :) mailing lists, so I'll have to read about 3 and delete the
rest.            LJG
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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Demandeth     "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" <AXD7104@NYUACF.BITNET>

> Actually, pencils should be banned, as they're discriminatory towards
> left-handers such as myself.  It smears all over the place when we
> write.  :)

     Obviously you are communicating in a language for which you are
'directionally challenged'.  That, or else you need to learn to use a
harder lead in your pencil.

The Ronin
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>I really, seriously, want to know what is wrong with dropping PhDs on the
>list. Why is someone who calls himself Doctor funny ?
>
>tushar
I suppose I shouldn't start on this until I've read everyone
else's answers, since I'm running so late, but I'm sure that
you'll all want to read what *I* have to say about it, so here
I go...

>It's funny because it's pretentious. It is pretentious when it
>doesn't have any relevence to the situation. In a hospital, it
>is necessary for the MD's to be labeled "Doctor". They have a
>particular function there. Even there, a group of MD's sitting
>around in scrubs drinking coffee are unlikely to address each
>other as "Dr" rather than "Bill" and "Sue".

I think I told these before, but they're funny.  The only place I
use the title "Doctor" is on a charge plate from Wallachs, a large
men's clothing chain.  When I applied for the card back in 1976, it
had boxes for Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms/Dr, and I was in a bizarre mood, and
checked it off.  Ever since, when I shop there and the salesperson
calls me DR. Wolman, I find it funny.

I KNOW I said this once: I once told some students when I was a TA
that I'd never use the title because it didn't establish anything
about me except I could keep my ass in a chair long enough to write
a dissertation.  It didn't prove I was smarter than anyone else, or
more moral.  Case in point of a moron with a Ph.D.: Earl Butz.  Case
in point of a moral monster with a Ph.D.: Josef Goebbels.

Of course, REAL snobbery is NOT using the title but making damned sure
that people find out you have the thing anyway!  At Bell Labs there are
probably more earned doctorates per floor than at most universities.
Yet everyone is big on egalitarianism...so long as you have the degree,
too.  Otherwise you can make the coffee....

Ken, a.k.a.,
Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber
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In Boston people talk about three things: the Red Sox, baseball
and sports. On the bus to Alewife Station this morning some of
the guys were talking about the signs in ballparks posted on the
wall between the dugouts (dugsout?) that say "No pepper." Pepper
is a game with a bat and ball and a couple of fielders. The question
came up, where did pepper get its name? One suggestion was that it
was named after a player who was called Pepper Martin because of his
peppery personality. Another rider opined that surely the game pepper
existed before the player Pepper. The conversation turned to recent
events at Fenway, but I am still curious. Where did pepper get its name?
Bill
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From:         "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID" <185422285%UCIS.VILL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Duke
Comments: To: words-l <words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Congrats to Duke.
The best part of the game in my opinion was the begining video,halftime video
and the video after the game. I thought Michigan prioved to be too young for
Prime Time but will be back. Someday, hopefully Villanova will ride the top of
the basketball world. Right now we are on bottom looking up.

later

alec
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