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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Vikes stuff
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:59:40 GMT

In article <101631@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>All this stuff about the Vikes not having beaten a team with a winning
>record is kind of moot.  There was a period between 1973-1976 when the
>Vikes were the only team in the NFC Central who had a record over .500.
>As a matter of fact when they went to the Super Bowl in 1976, their record
>against a team with a winning record was 1-1-1.  During this period, they
>made it to the Super Bowl 3 times.  So, in spite of their competition this
>year, there is actually some precedent for them being able to go
>to the Super Bowl (of course, actually WINNING the S.B. is a totally
>different fettle of kish).

Just to be clear:  I'm NOT saying that the Vikings can't go to/win the
Big Dance just because they haven't beaten a winning team.  However:

1) 1-1-1 is better than oh-fer and counting.

2) The price of poker in the NFC is WAY up from 1976.

3) The 1970s Vikings were able to exploit a weak division to gain home-
   field advantage in the playoffs, where they could rely on the
   visitors to freeze their nuts off and play accordingly.  When the
   Big Dance came around and the cold-field advantage disappeared, so
   did the Vikings.

On that subject, has anyone else noticed that the NFC playoff picture
is remarkably free of cold-weather stadiums?  Consider:

1. SF:		one of the mildest climates in the country
2. Dallas:	residents might argue, but it doesn't get really cold
3. Minnesota:	indoors
4. NO:		ditto
5. Philly:	unlikely to host
6. Washington:	ditto
7  Green Bay:	ditto

This hasn't happened in awhile.  Yet another reason to believe that
the best NFC team will indeed prevail.  Nine in a row looks pretty
reasonable...
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From: NU138915@NDSUVM1.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: I'm a Vikings fan..please shoot me!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:03:28 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

In yesterday's game with the 9ers at a certain point AC
was open down field and Gannon does not even see him.
Dick Stockton severely criticized Gannon for this. Also
Terry Breadshaw was vehememt and called Gannon's getting
sacked twice when the Vikes could have tied the game as
"Inexcusable".
Will the Vikes break my heart in 1992.....
S.H
(The Purple Bleeder)
sivaram@plains.Nodak.edu
From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Half a question
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:21:40 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <1992Dec16.155002@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <009652AD.67B603C0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>I have seen refs call the penalty distance
>>as "half the distance to the goal line".
>>Can anyone tell me when is this and not 
>>penalty by no. of yards (like say 10) 
>>is enforced.
>>
>When it is greater than half the distance to the goal line.
>
>IE. 15yd penalty is half the distance when it is inside the 30;
>    10yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  20;
>and  5yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  10.

Uh, I thought it went more like this:
IE. 15yd penalty is half the distance when it is inside the 15;
    10yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  10;
and  5yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  05.


go giants ( ever so meekly )
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From: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lee....Touchdown 49errrrrrrs!
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

49ers     20
Vikings   17

BTW, (oops, caps lock) at the end of this game and on his way off the field,
Siefert was looking over at a crowd of players and media. It appeared that he
was very concerned about what was going on over there. What was going on, and
did the Vikings' coach ever get around to shaking Sieferts' hand?

Go 49ers

__
"The brakes were useless, the car was wandering. The rear end was coming around.
I jammed it down into low, but it made no difference and braced for a serious
impact, a crash that would probably kill me.....
"My heart was full of joy as I took the first hit, which was oddly soft and
painless. No real shock at all....Yes. These huge white lumps were not boulders.
They were sheep."
                           "Fear and Loathing in Elko"
                               Hunter S. Thompson 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:30:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Physics 101
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:20:25 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.154753.18707@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>By the way, they showed a very nice reversed angle view of the play
>on "Inside the NFL" last night. The ball definitely DID NOT leave
>Aikman's hand before being knocked out. It was a fumble.

???  But, it doesn't matter if the ballwas still in his hand, the point is
whether he was deemed to be in the motion of throwing or not... This is
why the controversey.  From all angles I have seen, he looks like he
was in the motion of passing and got stuffed.  Should have been an 
incomplete pass...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mr Sajja:The Net Policeman??(Re:Redskins Repeat)
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:52:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec16.072720.8872@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
>	Why have u taken upon yourself to act as a police man on the net.
>I guess u derive some innane pleasure by picking on people.  If u were
>really concerned, then instead of just flaming away, u could have sent a 
>message to the system administrator alerting him of the problem.  

There you are again, waiting to pick on people. If you were so much concerned
about what I did, there were quite a few people who voiced their concern
about what that guy from princeton had done, you picking only on me justs 
shows that you didn't forget what happenned earlier on the net and you wanted
to come back and do something. 
>
>Gee!  I should have sent u a mail. But i guess it wont help, coz it is
>better to behave with people like u just in the way that makes u feel more 
>comfortable and at home. 

regarding posting articles that are not relavent to this newsgroup, I guess
i have to get back to the basics, suppose someone posts an article about
the basketball in this newsgroup, it is reasonable to say that this is not 
the right group, now i thought that was pretty OBVIOUS!!! GET IT...
Being an eagles fan, what else can one expect from an eagles basher... that 
figures doesn't IT... 


>Guess u need to do the same.....

hey, you know what you are a "pathetic excuse for a 49ers whining fan"

>
>Ashish


-Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan..
hey, vintage 1990 randall is back...
GO EAGLES....
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos/playoff chances/help?
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:10:04 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

mece1uh@Rosie.UH.EDU (Shashi Menon) writes:

>In article <Dec.14.16.12.20.1992.14992@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>>Questino for you all.
>>I'm a broncos fan.  play along with my scenario for a minute....

well, i *hoped* that line above; "play along with my scenario" would
 get all the morons to go back in thir cubbyholes and not reply.
 i was wrong.

{deleted}
>>denver wins the last 2 games, against seattle and k.c.  
>>
>>now, what are denver's chances?  as in, what i do want to hope for?
>> if k.c. loses to the giants, and houston wins their last two, then
>> i want no one else to tie with k.c. and the broncos, since denver
>> would win the tiebreaker.  does anyone know what other situations
>> i want?
>>all assumptions are based on denver winning their last 2.  thanks -
>>bob gaj

>Why explore scenarios which are impossibilities based on impossible
>assumptions - like the Broncos beating KC even with Elway or like
>Houston winning their next two games.
>relax and enjoy the remaining season and hope that the Broncos do
>better the next time around.

>Shashi
impossible things, like the jets (a markedly worse team than the
 broncos) going into buffalo (a markedly better team than kansas city)
 and winning, do happen.  really.  and i have no idea who houston
 plays other than cleveland.  that's why i *asked* - i figured someone
 out there who had a clue would respond instead of you.

- bob gaj
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:38:56 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
 <1992Dec12.050008.8412@Princeton.EDU>

Dude, learn how to @#$%!!! post you idiot!!!!!
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:00:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec19.014103.304@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.212145.14151@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Well, you see, Ed likes to "prove" arguments by stating the opposite..
>>That is, unless you can prove it to NOT be true, then it must be true...
>>He has been doing it for years on a variety of groups..  
>Yes, you see, Meek like to pick up arguments with me that at least he has 
>some allies, like in r.s.p.football.pro. He is still smarting at all the 
>flame wars in the other groups that he had to wimp out after arguing 
>for months ....

Well, let's see...  you say that I like to pick up arguments with you in
groups I have allies, like r.s.football.pro.  Well, based on our notorious
arguments in r.s.basketball.pro, I guess we add that group, as it should be
obvious I had "allies" there as well.  What about the r.s.football.college,
where it seems I had some allies.  Wanna guess the common thread here Ed...
In both of those groups, you supposedly "abused" me (in your opinion),
it seemed that many others thought you were abused, and funny enough,
it doesn't seem like we have to deal with you in those groups any more...
Hmmm...  haven't been posting in either group lately, have you...
So, who is "smarting"???
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          


-- 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:50:12 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: poor gannon
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:53:16 GMT

sorry about being misinformed about the vikes switch to salisbury this week.
thank you for correcting me. i tend not to read papers or watch tv after
a viking loss until thursday so they are talking about the upcoming game.
speaking of the steelers/vikings, here is how i see:

close defensive game - the steelers will squeak it out at home
a blow-out - the vikes offense will come back to life and win.

therfore prediction: vikes 27  pitt 10

back to QB situation: wrong move to go to salisbury. ive seen all the games
this year and T steak has shown me nothing. he scares me more than when
wade wilson was playing with his shacky knees. T steak is only good off the
bench to finish a game but not as a starter. a super bowl team cannot 
play musical QB. gannon was the man and should have remained "the man".
neither QB is great, therefore the offense should be simplied. High
percentage offensive plays that will give either QB some confidence.
i am going to kiss the season good-bye if salisbury is the QB in the
playoffs.

							vinnie
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From: dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle)
Subject: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Keywords: 
    To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Computer Science - Bowling Green State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:29:40 GMT

Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A754F65A8E02700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:06:02 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:04:14 GMT

In article <BzD3oH.2n7@andy.bgsu.edu> Donald Lingle,
dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu writes:
>I agree Jim Johnson is quite the whinner.
>He has won some games, but As I said earlier if a coach
>cannot show that he has confidence then the team will go downhill.
>I have a notion that the Cowboys will get beat by the 49er's.
>But before I get a barage from BOY's fans.  Congrats to the Cowboys
>on having a winning season.  Johnson has turned the team around,
>but sometimes the intangibles that it takes to win the big games
>are hard to come by.

So far every negative response to the original post has just reinforced
the point.  Yes he whines and jumps up and down, that's because he really
cares about the outcome of the play/game/season.  The more he looks like
a baby and doesn't "take it like a man" he shows that he is more affected
by a negative outcome than other coaches who do.  I think JJ will
eventually be accepted as at least the equal of some of the coaches who,
according to an earlier post, do "take it like a man."  Of course this is
speculation, but I've heard some big-time sports writers making similar
speculations.

FRANK

__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas (Was: Re: Come back instant replay !!!)
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:20:54 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1417@netxcom.netx.com> jwc@netxcom.netx.com (Jeff Comer) writes:
>mcelha@david.wheaton.edu (Geoff McElhanon) writes...
>>Now Dallas appears well out of position for any kind
>>of shot at home field advantage throughout the playoffs with the way San
>>Francisco is refusing to go down. 
>
>So now that you've seen THE play (as it is referred to here in DC), do you
>think the right call was made? I do.

I don't, but it doesn't matter.  Dallas didn't deserve to win anyway, not
with all the mistakes they made.  It would have been great to clinch the
division in Redskin territory, though.

As for home-field advantage, they wouldn't have gotten that, anyway, since
I don't see San Francisco losing either of their last two games, and I
*really* don't see them losing both, as they would have to now for Dallas
to take home-field advantage.  Both Dallas and San Francisco are good at
home and on the road, so it won't be as big a difference for them as it
would be for other teams.  (Case in point, the Eagles, who seem to be a
lot more shaky on the road.)

Right now, it seems pretty likely to me that both Dallas and San Francisco
will win their first two playoff games, and play each other in the NFC
Championship.  Unfortunately, I don't see San Francisco losing.  But
Dallas has had a great season, better than I thought they would, and next
year is going to belong to them.

Daniel Welch
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From: jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Martens)
Subject: Re: Tim Harris -- Rootin' Tootin' 9'er
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.185130.11114@sequent.com> newson@sequent.com (Newson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.073213.15159@microsoft.com> richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:

>>Folks, I think I'm pleased that such hypocricy is in San Francisco where it
>>belongs.

>What a joke! Who gives a shit what you think! Your obvisouly having a hard time
>coping with the 9ers success this year, and this is a silly way to vent it!
>If Harris wants to start slinging his 6 shooters, let him.

Having read Rick's article, I don't think Newson's deduction that
Rick is "obvisouly [sic] having a hard time coping with the 9ers
success" is well-founded.  There's nothing in Rick's article to
suggest he cares one way or the other about the 9ers success.
He's just pointing out that Harris was a tad dishonest in some of
his criticisms of Packer management.

As a Packer fan, I'm just glad that Green Bay kept the better of
their two weak-side OLBs:  Tony Bennett.  Harris has not been
missed.

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