HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.admin
Subject: nonconforming news Message-IDs of last week
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:50:42 GMT
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc

Here is a list of Message-IDs discarded by twinsun's news software last week
because they do not conform to the Internet RFC 1036 and RFC 822 standards.
If a Message-ID from your site is on this list,
your news or mail software is probably broken and should get fixed.
The headings describe the probable reason for nonconformance.

(unknown cause)

	<mac.31@mac@ur.utk.ed>

	<Stephen.Gibson@Sonoma.Edu.1.0@sonoma.edu>

NewsWatcher 1.3d1 (obsolete)

	<mwalker-250892095008@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-250892101122@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-260892094050@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-260892100415@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-260892121531@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-260892141117@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-270892085654@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-270892091109@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-280892111437@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
	<mwalker-280892112045@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>

	<srogers-270892160307@tiger.nswc.navy.mil.>

	<mackid-280892211810@toysrus.engin.umich.edu.>

NNR (obsolete version)

	<92241.12:46:35.054835.JDMCGEE@VM1.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>

sendmail configuration botch + mail-to-news gateway botch

	<9208261424.AA09782@.carrara.bos.marble.com.>

	<9208281745.AA00841@.nairobi.inel.gov.inel.gov.>
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Commercial Traffic
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 01:12:53 GMT

kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>Hmm... seems to me that the net is chock-full of commercial sites, and that
>complaints are rare... ignoring the major commercial sites (Telebit,
>Adaptec, etc.), there are probably a few thousand consultancies making
>direct commercial use of the net - primarily for technical support.. then,
>of course, we have the newprod newsgroups.... did I mention SCO providing
>(albeit "unofficially") end-user support via the net?

USENET != NSFNET

"The Internet" != NSFNET

NSFNET = No Commercial traffic

CIX = Commercial traffic


Therefore, SCO/Telebit/Hayes/whomever providing technical support via
"The Net" is perfectly acceptable.


MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances 
--    UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd  /   are you won't either...
-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              /
From: richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.futures
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups.
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:14:51 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>I'd like to note that this is NNTP's fault, not Usenet News. We run
>Usenet news with internal NNTP connections, but our external connects
>are all traditional UUCP feeds. We have a number of private news groups,
>and... yes... it *is* an important capability.

I wouldn't blame NNTP so much as NNTP-based newsreaders.  You can't
read netnews using a UUCP-based newsreader.  Note that it's entirely
possible to set up NNTP so no one outside your site can read it; that
configurability comes with NNTP.  Indeed, I think you can set up feeds
across to/from Internet without leaking read access (it wouldn't be
hard to tinker with the NNTP source code to accomplish this).

>I suspect that if we were to join the Internet proper, we'd use a firewall
>machine to make sure our business STAYS our business.

Gack.  Firewalls are evil.  We use a router with port-blocking capability
to filter out incoming connect requests.  It's not perfect but it's a
heck of a lot more convenient for our internal users and administrators
than a firewall system would be.

-rich
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: pva@gfimda.uucp (Paul von Autenried)
Subject: new site
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:40:14 GMT
Organization: Kraft General Foods

We are a new site to netnews.  We have been reading news for several months,
but noone has replied to our submissions.  If anyone sees this note,
please respond to me directly via email.  If this is not the proper news
group to which to post such a message, please excuse my ignorance.
Thank you for your help.
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:21:06 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <3776@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>In article <F7TI7U9@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>In article <3768@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>>I've often considered class-action libel or slander lawsuits a better
>>>approach than the laws we have, but we don't have that option because
>>>class-action suits in themselves aren't valid here....

>>That has a certain attraction. I'd love to see some of the suits Consumer
>>Reports and similar organizations would face, though.

>Why?  Are they saying nasty things about "some identifiable group"?

Sure. They have issued broadcast denunciations against whole industries
in the past. In general, I happen to agree with them, but the people who
are denounced probably don't. And this would open them up to class-action
libel suits if such existed.

>Organizations like CR produce reports that you can more-or-less trust.

Sometimes less than more. CR in particular has this habit of taking on
studies they're just not qualified to make, and are quick to jump on a
bandwagon (for example the Audi "unintended acceleration" stuff).

I read CR myself, and find it useful, but you *do* have to watch for their
bias-of-the-month. And it's tougher to figure if you don't pay attention:
at least in Byte you can use the advertisers index as a quick reference
guide.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Non-compliant articles, week ending 30 August 92
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:44:15 GMT

         Invalid Headers, week ending 30 August 92

    The following is a list of articles which were dropped by the news 
    software here for a non-compliant header.  If a message ID from your 
    site is on this list then your news software may be out of compliance 
    with the RFCs on netnews articles and should be fixed.

Header contains non-header line:
	<64Te02NJ1fBm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> `Summary:'
	<TOMF.92Aug25004228@ai.bunny.gte.com> `Distribution:'
	<1428@ceylon.gte.com>
		`References:<1992Aug20.005532.2195@morrow.stanford.edu> <1...'
	<9819@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> `Keywords:'
	<9820@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> `Keywords:'
	<9827@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> `Keywords:'
	<933@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> `Keywords:'
	<26821@life.ai.mit.edu> `Keywords:'
	<16358@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
		`Followup-To:Rival Captains Scoring Centuries'
	<1992Aug24.190005.4576@eng.ufl.edu> `Subject:Polygon-inside or out? '
	<1992Aug28.160501.25725@eng.ufl.edu>
		`Subject:HELP : File Tansfer Problem. '
	<86940@netnews.upenn.edu> `Keywords:'
	<1992Aug27.224507.23072@chpc.utexas.edu>
		`<1992Aug27.203420.10364@athena.cs.uga.edu>'
	<15777.9208271108@cauchy.praxis.co.uk> `Cc:'

Unapproved article in moderated group:
	<27AUG199222095176@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu> `vmsnet.sources'
	<27AUG199222120614@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu> `vmsnet.sources'
	<1992Aug25.161707.1@exodus.valpo.edu> `info.nets,comp.os.vms'
	<1992Aug25.214903.1@exodus.valpo.edu> `info.nets,comp.os.vms'

Newsgroup list contains white space:
	<26AUG199212292701@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
		`rec.games.frp.dnd, rec.games.frp.advocacy, rec.games.frp.misc'

No @ in Message ID:
	<1992Aug2411:00:00> 
	<6222360925081992.A07855.RHEA.1168CA633200> 

No Subject or empty Subject:
	<1992Aug27.200954.13394@mont.cs.missouri.edu> 

No From: header:
	<1992Aug25.015311.4170@brownfield.glv.com> 
	<1992Aug25.021356.4244@brownfield.glv.com> 
	<1992Aug28.024446.2322@panix.com> 
	<Vy81PB3w163w@cspidoug> 

No Date or unparsable Date:
	<mah.102@eng.ufl.edu> `<mah.102@eng.ufl.edu>'
	<33.2A9AC75E@toadnet.org> `Mon, 25 Aug92   8:48:00 CDT'
	<39.2A9DF9D6@toadnet.org> `Wed, 27 Aug92   5:29:00 CDT'

Date in future (when received):
	<9208241215.AA17431@gorm.ruc.dk> `Tue, 25 Aug 92 13:21:10 -0500'
	<9208251834.AA24904@astro.ocis.temple.edu> `15 Oct 92 19:35:39 GMT'
	<i+LnqAqCBh104h@olson.acme.gen.nz> `31 Aug 92 22:54:26 GMT'
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.john-palmer
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: John "HBM is my friend" Palmer
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:46:24 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer):
>According to ses@cmns-moon.think.com (Simon Edward Spero):
>>I just sat down and wrote a little perl script that scans ... for
>>postings by Mutlu which have been crossposted to more than 4 groups,
>>and contructs cancel messages to remove them.  Although I have
>>tested [it], I have not run [it] with a bullet in the chamber, and I
>>don't intend to do so.
>
>I seem to recall someone else in the past who was accused of
>cancelling others postings (although it was not done intentionally,
>but due to local postings getting out on the net...).

John, we didn't believe that you _accidentally_ cancelled others'
articles, and we still don't.  Why?  Because with the other kinds of
deception you've pulled, we have no reason to believe you.

After all, you claimed that you never censored your newsfeeds, but I
have _PROOF_ -- a message from a then-employee of MNS -- that you did
eliminate all articles from zorch as they arrived, thus preventing
them from being forwarded to your customers.

And now you expect us to believe you about those old cancels?  It is
to laugh.

>Lets see if you are all so quick to condemn ses@cmns-moon.think.com
>as you were to condemn this other fellow.  Then we'll see if double
>standards exist....

John, oh clueless one, you _did_ cancel articles.  This "ses" person
has constructed a program that would cancel articles, but he has _not_
actually used it.  That difference means that the two of you _deserve_
distinct treatment -- no "double standard" required.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
Xref: sparky news.admin:7276 misc.legal.computing:2026
From: jrowland@cs.utexas.edu (John Richards Rowland)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Problem posting
Date: 28 Aug 1992 16:41:41 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: needmore.cs.utexas.edu

I am setting up a news server, and I am unable to post on
that server.  Posting goes fine until I get back into trn,
and then get the message... 
cannot open /usr/lib/news/inews.
Message appended to dead.atricle
Don't bother suggesting permissions on that file, I can just
cat /usr/lib/news/inews and get the file.  The permissions
on the file are 777.  The permission on all of the directories
in the path are 755.  Some questions are:

-what does inews do?
-where is it called?
-can I set it up to not use that file?

Please respond to 
jrowland@cs.utexas.edu

Thanks all!
-JR


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
primary:	jrowland@cs.utexas.edu  (UT CS Department)
secondary:	jrowland@csdfx8a.arlut.utexas.edu (Applied Research Laboratory)
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Xref: sparky news.admin:7312 alt.censorship:7250
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:00:54 GMT

Actually, I think it's silly to argue that speech, ideas and expressions
never harm anybody.  They do.  Constantly.

It's just that allowing the blockage of speech seems to be more harmful.
Any blockage.  Because history has proven that no authority has the
skill to do it "properly."   (Which is not to say that we know what
properly is -- rather that we can spot, in hindsight, what it isn't.)

As a typical example, I think the book "The Communist Manifesto" has
lead to more death and repression than just about anything in history,
including Hitler.   Those following that book have, both by being
misguided and by corrupting its message (but using its appeal as a tool)
killed millions of people and repressed and placed into poverty over
a billion people.   A BILLION PEOPLE.

And then I see people quoting studies that say "Well, we showed some violent
porn to some men and they tended afterwards to have a slightly
more tolerant attitude towards violence against women" and they conclude
"ban porn."  But these same people would never ban Marx.   Yet for them, a
slight change in attitudes is enough to ban something, and a billion people
with ruined or shortened lives is not enough.

Of course, my attitude is ban neither, but the point is that their whole
argument is specious and inconsistent.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:08:36 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <3774@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>Depends on your criteria for "properly".  And your definition of
>"authority".  If the government (being the "authority") had the
>ability to unilaterally decide what should be suppressed, I'd agree.
>But that isn't the case here.

Sure it is. The courts are part of the government. [insert usual waffle
about the meanings of words here]

Look at the way the U.S. Supreme Court has been manipulated, by all sides.

>I think there's a difference between Marx's "speech", and that of
>a Keegstra.

For one thing, Marx "caused" harm to a LOT more people.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: re: UCB posting service (was: Re: Hasan B)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:02:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.


jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>It really amazes me that such a net.cornerstone like Berkeley would
>provide a facility with such few safeguards. This gateway has to have
>been abused before. They should at least put in a facility which verifies
>from-addresses and kicks out anything suspicious. I too hope that the
>loopholes are closed.

Interesting observation; I have been using the service since 1985, when
I started working and my employer did not carry soc-culture-greek. In
all these years and all these articles I (and many many MANY other
subscribers to the mailing list version of soc-culture-greek) never 
got any information as to the fact that the service was in place to
support LOCAL UC Berkeley use and not intended as a public service.

I do not remember it being abused in the past to the extent it was
abused by Hasan & Company. Maybe forged messages once in a while by
historic figures, but not used to cross-post to eternity. And, of
course, we were never advised that the service was not intended for
use by the general public.

Spiros


-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Question About Multiple Posting
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:30:36 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <64996@cup.portal.com> Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
>I received the following message a couple days ago and my mail to the
>sender was not responded to.  What do others think of Werner's
>message?

I thought it was reasonably polite, if direct. In the past people who
keep posting the SAME advertising message over and over again to a number
of groups have been flamed rather more heavily.

>Should I limit advertising of my free electronic matching
>service to a few select groups or should I advertise in many places
>expecting that few people will be exposed to my ads in much more than
>one collection.

Neither.

I would suggest that you post a single *CROSSPOSTED* message with
followups to an appropriate group (alt.singles, perhaps) and then
drop it for at least a month. If you want to keep the service in the
public eye add it to your regular .signature.

What you are doing is simply rude.

Thanks for your attention.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Xref: sparky news.admin:7370 misc.legal.computing:2045
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal.computing
Subject: Re: NetNews Contract? NOT!
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:07:59 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep1.010318.19818@cfctech.cfc.com>
kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes: 
#By the same "reasoning", **ALL** contracts are null and void, if either party
#challenges their validity. Neat. All I need to do is challenge my car payments.
#*POOF*! They're gone. Dispute the validity of my apartment lease. *SHAZAM*! 
#My rent's gone too.
#Somehow, I don't think it works that way in the real world, Michael...

Of course not, oh clueless one. I somehow severly doubt you don't have
written contracts for your car loan or apartment lease.

I've been on usenet for 8 years now, and I've never signed anything to
get access to it.

--
-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
 USPS Mail:     Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA
 Internet:      gsh7w@virginia.edu  
 UUCP:		...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: NetNews Contract?  NOT!
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:18:31 GMT
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting

In article 5989@gtephx.UUCP, forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.002301.29324@wolves.uucp>, news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>> If there were a contract, please specify exactly what you think is
>> covered, what actions are required, what is the consideration, what are
>> the penalties for non-completion, where is the assent?
>
>A contract is an agreement between two parties to exchanges goods, services
>and/or money.  The only requirements for forming a binding contract are 
>that the parties entered into the agreement voluntarily and that the 
>original intent of the parties has not be obstructed by outside forces.

I think that you would be very hard pressed to identify the parties to this
supposed contract.  Certainly you could claim that you are one of the parties,
but who is/are the other party or parties?  If you claim that I am one of these
other parties, then how is it that neither of us had any contact until *after*
the action which you claim is covered by the contract occured? 

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:06:40 GMT
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.

In article <1992Aug30.090054.15897@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>Actually, I think it's silly to argue that speech, ideas and expressions
>never harm anybody.  They do.  Constantly.
>
   I don't agree with this. It is my belief that 'words' cannot cause harm
by thier very nature.

   In order to say that words can cause harm, there must be something about
the specific words in question that can be identified. The content of the
speech much contain the harmful entity.
   Consider the oft quoted '"fire" in a theater' example. Certainly here is
an example where speech is harmful, right? I don't think so. I think that
the content (and therefore the speech) is unimportant, and that the crime
is causing a panic, and not some aspect of illegal speech. It wouldn't
matter if I had shouted 'poison gas' or some other uniformly understood
threat. Or it could be specific to the audience. Shout 'Iguana' in a room
packed with the annual meeting of Lizard-phobes, and you'll create the same
effect.
   My point is that since you can't distingush between the effect of
'fire', 'poison gas', and 'iguana', it is not the speech (the content of
the speech) that is at fault. The actual words do not matter.

   On the other hand, there is nothing obviously harmful about the words
'fire', 'poison gas', and 'iguana'

   The other example used to prove harmful speech is examples like the Bible,
writing of Hitler, Marx, or Nietzche, and stuff like that.
   Again, there is nothing harmful about the actual content of any of those
books. I do not feel threatened by Mein Kampf. I don't worry that me or my
children will read it and be driven to Nazism. The existence of neo-nazi
groups are the exception that prove the rule. I don't think anyone believes
that it is Mein Kampf that leads to neo-nazism. It is something else.
   The the wake of the collaps of the USSR, people do not feel threatened
by the writings of Marx, etc. The writings are harmless when we have a 
historical viewpoint. The books will be filed away in libraries in the
political science section, and left to scholars. There is no harm in them.
No unique content that drives people to lead revolutions. 

   I believe that it is merely difficult to see a separation between the
words, and the events of a certain time. If words are to be harmful, then
they must remain harmful at least as long as human civilization remains
applicable to them. But we see words loosing thier 'harm' much quicker than
tanks, rifles, or nuclear weapons.

DanZ

-- 
This article is for entertainment purposes only. Any facts, opinions,
narratives or ideas contained herein are not necessarily true, and do
not necessarily represent the views of any particular person.  
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: in.coming on a different partition?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:17:28 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1992Aug25.023445.1446@metapro.DIALix.oz.au> bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:
>capable of porting patches to SCO Unix, and who is able to

What version of SCO Unix are you running?  I have not tried old
versions of C News with SCO Unix, but I can tell you that the latest
"release" (i.e., the one before the performance release), as well as
the performance release, both work just fine with SCO Unix.

You may have other, valid reasons for not upgrading to the latest
version of C News.  Running SCO Unix is not, IMHO, one of them.

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't make backups.  Real men never
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | accidentally delete files that they're going
                            | to need later.
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