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From: jag@wembley.trl.OZ.AU (John Gilmour)
Subject: Re: Australian Products?
Reply-To: j.gilmour@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:16:41 GMT

In article <7162@otc.otca.oz>, brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

|> How many people realise that, per capita, the USA has both a higher Federal
|> Budget Deficit and net Foreign Debt than Australia?  

I read a recent BRW article recently that stated that Australia has the
third largest Foreign Debt in the world. It talked about the US having
a  gigantic National Debt (as opposed to Foreign Debt) which I took
to  mean funds were borrowed onshore, and that this wasn't such a bad
thing.

Another point the BRW article made was that Australia wasn't going to 
solve it's current account problems until our national savings rate
was significantly increased  - our merchanise trade figures are often
in surplus.



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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: adt@technix.oz.au (Andrew Tune)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Organization: TechNIX Consulting Services, Melbourne, Australia
	<1993Jan15.050239.3995@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au>
	<ADT.93Jan18171826@saussure.technix.oz.au>
	<1993Jan19.014916.9597@trl.oz.au>
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:52:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.014916.9597@trl.oz.au> David Jewell writes:
> Things are tight world wide and it is human nature to look after your own
> family, your own community, your own country first.

Yes, I understand that.  Centuries ago it was "my tribe versus your
tribe", then "my town versus your town", then "my region versus your
region".  Right now it's "my country versus yours".  I realise it's
natural.  So is greed and jealousy.  But just because it's natural
doesn't necessarily mean it's best for the human race _as_a_whole_.

> 						Thus if a foreign owned
> company in Australia is having economic trouble back home which factory do
> you think they will close first, the one in England or the one is Australia?

The one which isn't running at a profit, regardless of the country.
If the English company has a profit making factory in Oz and a
loss-making factory in the UK, shutting down the Australian one would
be a recipe for disaster.  But this is nothing to do with geography,
it's to do with profitability.

adt.
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: khchung@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr KH Chung)
Subject: Re: Australian Products -Summary-
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:06:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.040202.24261@bby.com.au>, gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.020420.27440@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> adm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Alan Moss) writes:
> >  Orbital Engine
> 
> two points:
> 
> 1) Orbital Engine Company has substantial US ownership, and that is
> likely to increase as OEC sets up more US operations and raises more
> equityu in the US market.

I thought the plant in the US is US owned... and the OEC just sits back
and enjoys the royalties from the licences.
From: s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Diffey)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: 2nd Hand CD's (why not)?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:47:21 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:

>I have noticed that the 2nd hand CD industry while chugging-away
>is nowhere near the size that the 2nd hand LP industry was at it's
>peak.  

>Has anyone else noticed this or is it an anomaly of Perth?  I would
>have expected that since CD's don't scratch up like records the demand
>for 2nd hand would be high.  Perhaps it's because they hold their price too
>well?

>What's the 2n'd hand CD market like in your city?
>Scott.

I would of thought fairly self explanatory, 1 cd's are a fairly new thing so 
you don't have a that people want to get rid of, 
2 they're expensive so people want to hang on to them
3 they don't wear so people don't need to get rid of them.
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From: newton@monty.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Australian Products -Summary-
Organization: APANA South Australia - State mail hub
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:53:31 +1030

michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Michael Henning) writes:
> adm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Alan Moss) writes:
> 
> >	Extruded aluminium bottle opener in the shape of Australian animals.
> >	Plaited roo-hide cinch-ring belts.
> >	Stuffed freeze-dried canetoad statues pretending to be elvis presley.
> >	Orbital Engine
> 
> It might be an interesting exercise to set up a household using the
> items on your list... :-)

You have very... err... "interesting" tastes :-)

    - mark

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Newsgroups: aus.computer,aus.general
From: huan@medici.trl.OZ.AU (Huan Liu)
Subject: CFP - The 6th Australian Joint Conference on AI
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:09:15 GMT

The Sixth Australian Joint Conference on Artificial Intelligence (AI'93)

	Preliminary CALL FOR PAPERS and PARTICIPATION

		Melbourne, Australia  
		17 - 19, November, 93

AI'93 will be held in Melbourne, Victoria during 17 - 19/11/93 
with one day workshops and tutorials on 16/11/93. Paper submissions 
are welcome from researchers in all fields of AI. The conference 
will include presentation of refereed papers and invited talks. 
The conference proceedings will be published in a book format. 

Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following:
	- Machine Learning and Knowledge Acquisition
	- Cognitive Modeling
	- Robotics & Vision
	- Natural Language
	- Automated Reasoning (scheduling, planning)
	- Knowledge-based Systems
	- Knowledge Representation
	- Qualitative Reasoning
	- Neural Networks & Genetic Algorithms
	- Distributed AI

PAPER FORMAT FOR REVIEW:

Each submission must be clearly legible, with good quality print. 
The body of the paper, including the abstract and references, must not
exceed a total of sixteen double-spaced pages, formatted with a twelve 
point font and one inch margins. Each paper must have a separate title 
page including the postal addresses of all authors and e-mail addresses 
if available, an abstract, and at least three keywords indicating the 
problem area and general approach. 

REQUIREMENT FOR SUBMISSION:

Authors must submit four copies of their papers by Friday,
28 May, 1993. Electronic or FAX submission is NOT acceptable. 

Important Dates: Deadline for submission:         Friday, 28 May, 93
		 Acceptance/rejection letter out: Monday, 19 July, 93
		 Camera ready copy due:           Monday, 9 August, 93
		 Workshops and tutorials:         Tuesday, 16 November, 93
		 Conference to be held:      Wedn-Fri, 17-19, November, 93

For further information, please contact

	Dr. Andrew Jennings (Chair)
	Dr. Huan Liu (Co-Chair)		
	Telecom Research Laboratories
	P.O.Box 249
	Clayton, Vic. 3168
	FAX: (03) 253-6173
	{a.jennings, h.liu}@trl.oz.au


	Tutorials Coordinator: Dr. Wilson X. Wen
			       w.wen@trl.oz.au
	Workshops Coordinator: Chris Leckie
			       c.leckie@trl.oz.au
From: s907175@otto (Hung Cheng Chiang)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: For Sale (Melb)
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:28:15 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

			FOR SALE 


Books For Sale

(1)
 Title : Data Communications, Computer Networks and OSI (2nd Ed.)
 Author: Fred Halsall
 Price : A$ 15.00 

(2)
 Title : Fundamentals of Data Structures in Pascal (3rd Ed.)
 Author: Ellis Horowitz & Sataj Sahni
 Price : A$ 15.00 



Furnitures For Sale

(1) Study Desk (135 cm * 85 cm)
    Price : A$ 40.00 

(2) Single Bed (with legs)
    Price : A$ 35.00 

(3) Bedstand (with 3 drawers)
    Price : A$ 25.00 


s907175@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au      OR

s907175@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au        OR

ph: (03) 328-4483

RMIT, Melbourne, Australia

Justin Chiang
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: guillaum@pogo.trl.OZ.AU (Andrew Guillaume)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Followup-To: aus.general
Reply-To: a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Organization: The Okefenokee Swamp
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:10:58 GMT

Taso Hatzi writes in reply to Andrew Tune:
|: 2) Why is it better for someone to buy something from Australians and
|: bring benefit to Australia than to buy something from (say) Koreans
|: and bring benefit to Korea?
|
|What if we bring the issue closer to home by extending it to
|products and services?
|
|Let's extend this even further. Why not get rid of the Australian
|public service and contract out the administrative work 
|to a low labour cost country? Taxes would be much lower because
|the unemployed Public Servants would be collecting the dole
|instead of salaries.

Hang on. Unemployed public servants would then be subsidised by the few
that would remain in employment. Unfair ! So:

|In theory, we could export almost every job in the country.

This should read: In theory we SHOULD export EVERY job in the country.
After all, aren't we already selling all we have ?

Andrew
Xref: sparky aus.general:2703 aus.auug:363 aus.computers:474 aus.forsale:2447
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.auug,aus.computers,aus.forsale
Subject: Re: NeXT Computer Summer Sale
From: nicolek@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:49:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Keywords: NeXT
Summary: Not a commercial sale

Greg Rose, Australian Computing and Communications Inst. writes:

>>++++++++++++++++   NeXT   COMPUTER   SALE   ++++++++++++++++
>
>I think that this posting is inappropriate for the newsgroup aus.auug,
>and I also think that posting it 5 times is a bit much for
>aus.general. I also feel that it represents a commercial effort by
>NeXT to sell computers, and as such is inappropriate according to the
>AARNet acceptable use policy :-)


I would just like to clarify for your benefit of the newgroups, that have had
NeXT Summer Sale postings over the last month.

Firstly, it is not NeXT Computer Inc. that is selling these systems, it is
a friend in California selling a stock of secondhand units one of which was
purchased by myself last year.

Since I had to source NeXTs all the way across the Pacific I felt that it
was important to assist others that may wish to purchase the innovative
NeXTstep computer environment.

I thought the policy of AARNet was to have us all work together, keeping like
minded people in touch across the globe, so everyone has an opportunity to
get the computer system they wish to perform their work upon.

Since some of the groups I posted to have great daily turnover, and it was
Xmas time, I would hate to have missed this oppportunity if such a computer 
was on my purchase list.

Basically, if you disagree with such activities then use the 'n' key and move
onto the following posting and leave it to those who want a NeXT, which by my
response list numbers near on a hundred interested persons.

Regards

Nicole
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| Nicole Kaiyan                   | Email: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au     | 
| Computer Science Department     |                                     | 
| La Trobe University             |        NeXTmail welcome             |
| Melbourne                       |                                     |
| AUSTRALIA                       | Phone: (international)+613 416 2949 |
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Xref: sparky aus.general:2696 aus.computers.ibm-pc:795
From: chris@coombs.anu.edu.au (Chris @NCDS)
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.computers.ibm-pc
Subject: Contact Address for Samsung Distributers/importers in Aus
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:44:01 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

Hi all,
	I'm not really sure that my last post got out so here goes again...

I'm looking for contacts for the Importers/Distributers of Samsung Monitors
in Australia.  In particular we have a Samsung 20" CAD/CAM Monitor which is
12 months old.  I'm after the Windows 3.1 driver software for it.  As it 
currently stands its a $5K doorstop, and I would like to get it operational.

Any Help would be appreciated, so please email me, either by return address
or to:

		Chris.Patterson@anu.edu.au

Thanks in Advance

Chris.
Programmer
NCDS
The Australian National University.  (.sig under construction)

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Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.auug,aus.computers,aus.forsale
From: tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati)
Subject: Re: NeXT Computer Summer Sale
Keywords: NeXT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:54:18 GMT

nicolek@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN) writes:

>Greg Rose, Australian Computing and Communications Inst. writes:

>>>++++++++++++++++   NeXT   COMPUTER   SALE   ++++++++++++++++
>>
>>I think that this posting is inappropriate for the newsgroup aus.auug,
>>and I also think that posting it 5 times is a bit much for
>>aus.general. I also feel that it represents a commercial effort by
>>NeXT to sell computers, and as such is inappropriate according to the
>>AARNet acceptable use policy :-)


>I would just like to clarify for your benefit of the newgroups, that have had
>NeXT Summer Sale postings over the last month.

You mean clarify bombarding the group with your postings?

>Firstly, it is not NeXT Computer Inc. that is selling these systems, it is
>a friend in California selling a stock of secondhand units one of which was
>purchased by myself last year.

>Since I had to source NeXTs all the way across the Pacific I felt that it
>was important to assist others that may wish to purchase the innovative
>NeXTstep computer environment.

>I thought the policy of AARNet was to have us all work together, keeping like
>minded people in touch across the globe, so everyone has an opportunity to
>get the computer system they wish to perform their work upon.

>Since some of the groups I posted to have great daily turnover, and it was
>Xmas time, I would hate to have missed this oppportunity if such a computer 
>was on my purchase list.

>Basically, if you disagree with such activities then use the 'n' key and move
>onto the following posting and leave it to those who want a NeXT, which by my
>response list numbers near on a hundred interested persons.

Just a typical "tough luck" response "use the 'n' key" if you don't like,
and I don't give a sh*t what everyone thinks, I'll just do what ever I 
feel like.

>Regards

>Nicole
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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: viking@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Oxley)
Subject: Tassie Trip Tips wanted!!
Organization: Monash General Access UNIX System
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:24:52 GMT

Hello All!!

I hope we've all had a safe and happy Christmas and New Year's holiday.

A friend and I are going on a bike tour of Tassie in early February
(we'll be leaving Melbourne on the 3rd) for about two weeks of biking.
(or until the money runs out, whichever comes first... :-))

So, what I would like are some ideas of where to go, and places to see.
(Also what places to avoid, if any.)  I know this doesn't leave much
time for replies (today being Jan. 25th), but any and all replies
welcome.

Oh yeah, if it makes any difference, I'm still on my [L]earners plates
and an old 250, and my friend will be on his CBR-600F2.

Thanks in advance!!

Steve Oxley
 
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From: peter@coombs.anu.edu.au (Peter Horsburgh)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: GPZ 1100 crank
Followup-To: aus.motorcycles
Date: 21 Jan 1993 01:19:45 GMT
Organization: Ausralian National University
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.78.18

Anyone out there have ideas on the "best" place to get a crankshaft for a
Kawasaki GPZ1100 (frame mounted fairing model) rebuilt? A big bore/ high
compression kit is being installed when it is fixed so a good job is
needed.
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: TOURIST ARRVING IN OZ...
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:14:29 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

Riders!

I just discovered this group today... only a few days before
I shut down my system and leave for OZ for a six-week stint.

I own two Nortons, and have had Nortons for years... I plan
on buying a Ducati this year.

Whilst in Australia, I may get the chance to ride with someone
at Adelaide (Guzzi). I also would like to test ride the new
Triumphs.

Here in San Francisco we have quite a cafe-racer scene... with
some great watering holes, like Zeitgeist.... can you recommend
similar haunts in Sydney, Melbourne, and Adelaide.

Add this to rock-n-roll and you've got a good mix for me...

Reply directly... to this email address:

DAVE COOPER
Autodesk, Inc.
davec@Autodesk.com
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{fernwood,apple,decwrl}!autodesk!davec
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin)
Subject: re:test
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:10:03 GMT

Thankyou to the people who let ne know if my test worked or got lost in the 
viod.
Although one person did comment about prats on Harleys, JESUS there is 
always one in every crowd or should I say in every news group.
I notice that we could not see what you ride or if you do.
Is there anyone going to the B.M.W rally at dungog in N.S.W. If you are I 
might see you there, I have been before and its not a bad rally.
Its on over the aus day weekend of course.
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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: phil@trl.oz.au (Phillip Bouchier)
Subject: Re: Tassie Trip Tips wanted!!
Reply-To: phil@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:10:55 GMT

In article 8220@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, viking@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Oxley) writes:
>Hello All!!
>
>I hope we've all had a safe and happy Christmas and New Year's holiday.
>
>A friend and I are going on a bike tour of Tassie in early February
>(we'll be leaving Melbourne on the 3rd) for about two weeks of biking.
>(or until the money runs out, whichever comes first... :-))
>

It can be cold in Tas so be prepared for it even in this time of the
year. Take a note of the wheather report, if it looks like it will be
wet do the East Coast first and not the high lands or West coast. The
West Coast is a must though. The West Coast can be very wet when its wet.

Pick up a map of Tas from the RACV as I found that one to be the best even
though it is proberly the cheapest map.

I found the YHA a really good cheap place for accomidation as they are
mostly positioned well with other people doing similar thing to you.

Take care, enjoy the road curves and
keep the black round things down.
Philip Bouchier.

Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: Anneliese Kropf <akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Tassie Trip Tips wanted!!
Organization: Australian Maritime College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:23:44 GMT

>So, what I would like are some ideas of where to go, and places to see.
>(Also what places to avoid, if any.)  I know this doesn't leave much
>time for replies (today being Jan. 25th), but any and all replies
>welcome.

e-mail me your address and I'll send you some stuff.  Don't forget to
take some tie-downs on the ship or something to protect your seat (e.g.
old towel) as they use rope to secure the bike (i.e. rope with hook on
the end which is hooked to a ring on the deck).

If Jutta is lurking around anywhere - did you enjoy your trip over here?

Anneliese Kropf
Australian Maritime College, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au

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