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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: RESCUERS DOWN UNDER
Organization: University of Minnesota
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:28:57 GMT

E. Kontei (conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
>
>The animation and direction are certainly top notch, but I didn't care
>much for the plot or the characterizations (unlike, say, THE GREAT
>MOUSE DETECTIVE).

I enjoyed the characterizations.  I think Bob Newhart and Eva Gabor make
a wonderful Bernard and Bianca (as they did in the first RESCUERS film),
and I thoroughly enjoyed the heavy, MacLeach (George C. Scott is a fine
comic actor), and the interplay between him and his lizard sidekick, Joanna,
was absolutely classic!  And John Candy's Wilbur and Tristan Rodgers'
Jake were "fun" characters, as well.  In fact, the mice in the two
RESCUERS films are more interesting than the humans in BatB or ALADDIN.

No argument on GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE.  :)

>			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
>			       Master of Science!
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: megazone@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Anime: Pardon me
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:41:19 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <rdippold.724468450@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>What happened with the big push back in news.groups a while back for
>an anime group?  Did it fail or pass?  Has it died since?

FYI, rec.arts.anime existed long before rec.arts.animation and yes it is still
around.... rec.arts.animation was created since it was felt non-anime was
unwelcome on rec.arts.anime... which was untrue, but oh well...

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:07:42 -0500 
From: Edward Liu <el24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Cameo in _Aladdin_

Howdy all,

   After watching _Aladdin_ for the third time last night, I caught
something I missed the first three times.

   This isn't a spoiler, but hit 'n' now if you don't want to know.
























   In the scene where the Sultan is stacking up the little animals
(right before Jafar suggests himself as the husband to Jasmine),
look closely at the stack of animals.  There's one in there with the
head of the Beast from _Beauty and the Beast_.

-- Ed
Edward C. Liu		| "A US Navy cruiser requires 26 tons of manuals.
el24+@andrew.cmu.edu	|  This is enough to affect the performance of the
(E-L, not E-One)	|  vessel."
			|		-- _New Scientist_
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:17:25 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <1g8d61INN475@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> lerouxm@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Markie Mark) writes:
>In article <Bz1ws2.C4M@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>>Fascinating, simply fascinating.
>>
>>I don't understand why you refer to Ranma and Lum (the title is actually
>>Urusei Yatsura) as "sex epics" when there's no sex in either of them.  In
>>fact, aside from occasional nudity in Ranma (which is not sexual in nature)
>>they're just about as innocent as an Archie comic.
>
>AW COME ON!!!!!!!!
>
>What is the whole reason for having Ranma change genders when 
>he/she/it is doused with water?  It is to give the character 
>some sort of twisted perversion that is used to generate humorous
>situations.  That is a SEXUAL catalyst to get you to watch the
>the stupid show!!!!  

I don't know about you, but I've been following Ranma since it first came
out in Japan.  I can confidently state that sex and sexuality are almost
completely absent from Ranma 1/2.  Once in a while there's a comment - like
Ranma telling Akane that in female form she has a better body - but it rarely
goes beyond that.  Ranma's comedy comes from the offbeat characters thrown
together, all with different aims.  (Ranma isn't the only one who transforms,
by the way.)

I'd advise you to read more before telling me what it's about.

>I would imagine that the people of Japan
>who are very sexually repressed, would get thrown for a loop
>when they see this.  That is why they like it.   

I'm not going to touch this one...

>The same goes for Urusei Yatsura.  Why does she wear skimpy outfits?
>Why does her guy-friend put up with all the crap Lum involves him in?
>The answer is.... 
>SEX!  SEX!  SEX!  SEX!  SEXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!

ASee above.  Read/watch more of the series before you criticize/analyze.

>I'm not saying its bad.  I'm not saying they shouldn't do it.
>I'M not saying you shouldn't watch it.  
>
>Just be aware of it.  Don't be a mindless twit!!!  Sex sells in all
>countries.  And these shows DEFINITELY use it.

I'm very critical of what I read and watch, thank you.  But I make sure
I have enough data for analysis before I make conclusions.
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From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Japanimation music
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:22:27 GMT

In article <n11aet@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> U>    I don't know whether they became big hits or not, 
> U> but Japanese record
> U> stores are full of soundtracks from full-length as well as weekly
> U> anime.
> I am not suprised that is the case.  I know at many comic book cons I go to I 
>find that Japanimation fans will spend $35 and up for their favorite
>soundtrack to their favorite feature.  Heck, I think there are cases when the 
>music is probably WAY better than the feature itself... (hey I mean look at
>here... at least in  terms of movies where the SOUNDTRACK to "Boomerang" did
>way better than the actual movie itself!!)

Just a point, but CDs in general are up to twice the cost in Japan and 
Europe than they are in the US.

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

>
>--- Maximus 2.00
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:42:47 GMT

Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> Too bad that Robot Carnival and Nadia couln't been done by AnimEigo and
>subtitled properly.  Why does it always seem that the copy that does great
>dubbing work picks out the worst pieces of junk to dub (Bubble Gum Crisis,
>Orange Road, Lum, Vampire Princess Miyu)
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I suspcted you had no taste.  Thank you for confirming this for me.

Don't tell me, Himiko is a saucer-eyed slut, and Miyu is gun crazy, right?
I mean, sure she shoots supernatural energy bolts, but hey, if Lum
counts as a girl with gun......


You're just sad, Kevin.



-- 
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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Kevin-style Aladdin review (thanks Ryan!)
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:29:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec14.012906.4484
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  I just went and saw the new Disney movie "Aladdin" and I must say it was a
  big disappointment.  As is typical in Disney films, every single character
  seemed to be made of rubber, able to bend more than they really would be
  able to in real life.  All the characters had saucer-eyes, but not one of
  them (even the slut who likes playing with her pussy) had a single sparkle.
  Therefore, I say that Aladdin isn't worth the film it's printed on.

  Thanks, Kevin, for such a wonderful style for movie "reviews"!

  And thanks, Ryan, for an even *better* style!

  [In all seriousness, see Aladdin many times -- it's worth it.  I didn't 
  even mind the little kids kicking the back of my seat.  Siskel and Ebert
  may not think it's as good as Beauty and the Beast, but I think it's better.
  IMHO, of course.  Your mileage will vary.]

  -Iain, who really needs to get some sleep now...
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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Pink Panther series to appear this fall.
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:06:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1glss7INN48q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw286@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cleveland A. Hardin) writes:
>According to the Dec. 7 issue of Broadcasting magazine there will be
>a new series of Pink Panther cartoons to run in syndication in the
>fall of '93.  MGM has authorized the production of 40 episodes.
>For the first time the PP will have a voice.  Pink Panther last appeared
>in a series on Saturday mornings on NBC and ABC during the late '70s.

AHHHHHHHHH! A voice for the Pink One? AHHHHHHHHH!

So much for atmosphere......

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:28:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

Max, Max, Max....

This is NOT meant as a flame but as a serious question, really...
                                                   
Has it EVER occured to you that there is a difference between your
personal opinion and the value a work of art might possess? That
someone might have different tastes than you?

For whatever reason you obviously have extremely strong feelings about
the proper roles and behaviors of men and women. You seem to feel
that homosexuality is an abhorent practice. I feel differently. I find
the lesbianism (which I think is far more than hinted at) in KOR amusing
not sinful (oops -- i let slip one my suspicions about your value system).

Do you really feel that anybody who disagrees with you, who likes
something you don'y like is WRONG? I find your judgemental closeminded
approach to art as distasteful as you find open sexuality. But I
grant you your opinions. I may judge you (and I perfectly willing to
be judged AS i judge) but I don't condemn you. I canonly suggest
that yougrant others some slack. Maybe consider, just for a moment,
that there ARE other value-systems than yours. Or perhaps take a
step outside yourself, consider yourself as a different sort of person
might view someone like you. you are presenting a very definite
image of the sort of person you are through your posts. Think a minute
about some of the responses you have gotten. I learn a lot about myself
through art, especially art that is different than what I expect, art
that challenges me. Maybe you can learn something about yourself too.

Just, as they say, my $0.02 worth.


as Ivan Stang put it: "It's all one party and everybody's invited --
and that's not too bad."

Samuel "Dr.Allosaurus" Crider
drallosaurus@cup.portal.com
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: TTA X-Mas
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:46:03 GMT

I figured that those who knew about old movies would know what I meant about 
Harvey.
     YOU DIDN'T GET "ZUZU'S PETALS"??????  Have you actually seen "It's a 
Wonderful Life"?  When Bailey comes back, one of the first things he does to 
make sure he's really back is check his pocket for the petals he palmed when 
'fixing' his daughter Zuzu's flower earlier in the movie.  He pulls them out 
and screams, "Zuzu's petals!  Zuzu's petals!" and so on ranting about how great
it is ta see ya Bert etc.
     If you compare the movie to the TTA story, you'll find that the percentage
of each taken up by the "no longer exists" sequence is roughly the same.  If 
anything, TTA takes up more time, since we are assumed to already know most of 
the stuff that is changed, unlike the movie, where we first have to see how it 
is with George around.
     Dave Van Domelen, still loved Burl Ives's snowman cussing out the 
bunnies....
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Kimba
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

To: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)

RR>>Episodes are available from fan circles but they're usually copies
RR>>of copies of copies of old airings. There are still some prints of
RR>>the show in the hands of a couple of dedicated fen, though.
RR>>Something may yet appear.

TF>You'd be surprised where stuff like that turns up.  As recently as five
TF>years ago KIMBA was shown on a Canadian educational cable channel...

Anybody tape them? (The color must have been poor - they were printed
on Eastman stock, which doesn't age well.) All the tapes I keep finding
are the same showings from Calif, circa Late `70s - Early `80s.

I have heard of stations running the show here and there. They seem to
come by them when they get a film collection from a defunct or
bought-out station. The rights expired in the mid eighties, so running
them became a questionable decision.

On a related topic: There is interest in restoring THE AMAZING 3 but no
one has been able to find prints of the show. Anyone know of any
sightings?

 * SLMR 2.1a * Coming Soon: Kimba Meets The Aztec Mummy
                
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: egp41980@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M)
Subject: Is MTV still showing Speed Racer?
Summary: what time
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:01:36 GMT
Keywords: when

Is MTV still showing Speed Racer, and if so, when? I watched Sunday nights
for the past couple of weeks and on Tuesdays after LTV but didn't see it.
I really want to see the episode with the pinapple. 


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: BTAS: silly villians
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:07:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.173325.28677@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.022332.23839@b30.ingr.com>, mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>> 
>[Phil likes BTAS, especially because Batman is "just a man"]
>> 
>> BUT, some of the bad guys are utterly silly.  A werewolf??  Man-bat??
>> Mr. Freeze??  The guy in Feat of Clay??
>
>Umm... you seem to forget that Batman is an American Comicbook Superhero.
No, I didn't forget this.  

>And as such, villains and heroes who routinely break the laws of science
>are his stock-in-trade. 
But *Batman* doesn't do this.
Batman is a super-tough, but human, good guy.  His opponenets should be
super-tough( in some sense ), but human, bad guys.  Or they could be
ambiguous morally.

>
>                         I should mention that ALL the villains mentioned
>above come from the BATMAN comic book.
>

Which brings up another question:  
Should BTAS be absolutely faithful to BTCB?
-- 
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The preceeding opinions are not necessarily those of Intergraph Corporation.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com (Jim Lawson)
Subject: Re: Is MTV still showing Speed Racer?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:57:18 GMT
Organization: MDSSC-SSD
Reply-To: Lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

M (egp41980@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Is MTV still showing Speed Racer, and if so, when? I watched Sunday nights
: for the past couple of weeks and on Tuesdays after LTV but didn't see it.
: I really want to see the episode with the pinapple. 

I saw it this past Saturday at 9:00 a.m. Pacific time

It would be nice to know what other times it will be airing !

--

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		Alt:	Lawson@netsun.mdc.com or Lawson@bbs.mdcbbs.com

Opinions/Comments expressed here are my own and no one elses !!
From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  03:12:00

 U> Those aren't multiple pupils, silly, they're 
 U> _reflections_...you know, _light_.
 They may be reflections, but at times they more or not give the character the 
multiple eyeball look.  I don't really see how they can be light when you
CONSTANTLY see this with saucered-eye people in Japanimationn.  If it were
done the proper way like Disney (one white spec in an appopiate place) fine... 
Unfortantly, the # of white specs is just too much (in most Japanimation) and 
that ends up drawing too much attention to the white specs in the eye!!!  It
can be scary when you see the white specs as big as the eyeball itself!!

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Megatron vs Galvatron
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:02:00 GMT

There was an episode titled "Ghost in the Machine" where Starscream was there 
as a ghost.  However, I seem to recall he was a ghost in two episodes: 
possessing Cyclonus, and possessing Octane.  Starscream's REAL power (esp. in
the comics) was to die repeatedly, only to come back more powerful, only to die
again....
     Dave Van Domelen, hey, 'Screamer wore RED!
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 23:52:34 -0500 
From: "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)

> I have gotten some good selections of Japanimation that isn't giant robots or 
>worse yet "saucer-eyed sluts".  I'll take another look out thi weekend and see 
>what I can find using the selections everyone here has given me.  

Sigh.  This has gotten out of hand.

The "saucer-eyes" phenomenon is common to *most* anime, and it applies
to characters of both sexes, but I don't see that this particular
*style* of animation affects either the plotline or the animation
quality.  Consider if the Dirty Pair was drawn with beady black
blobbed eyes instead of the "wide eyes with sparkly things".  Has this
changed anything about the series?  No.  

If you're going to criticize anime for a particular genre which
doesn't appeal to you (as things with lots of guns don't appear to),
then fine.  But this constant slamming of "saucer-eyed sluts" is
getting to be repetitive, and IMO, just a bit obnoxious.

Hopefully, you'll find some of the "good" anime this weekend, so we
can drop this particular aspect of this thread.

Kevin.
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: G.I. Joe and related things
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Dec12.194017.22915@news.stolaf.edu> walter@sonja2.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>2.  Where there any hints towords the wierd Cobra-La stuff in the tv episodes?
>3.  Somehow the Cobra-La stuff just sealed off the Joe world from reality or
>the near reality enjoyed by it before.  

I liked the movie a lot because the animation was very good, and
the story, standing alone, was interesting (lthough I HATE Sgt
Slaughter, and that group of Jinx's pals were weak). Considered with
the comic and previous storylines, it was terrible, so I didn't
bother and took it on its own. Not just the animation, but the artwork
itself was well done. This reminds me of another current thread going
on in this newsgroup about drawing in anime. I personally much
prefer these adult, somewhat more realistic looking characters. I
enjoy watching them more, especially the interaction in personal 
relationships. Flint and Lady J- yes; anime BOYS and GIRLS- no!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:51:17 EST
From: <WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: New Disney Poster!!!

Me too!  I'm very interested in this poster.

-REID-

(Reid Woolery   WTQ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU)
From: kiuchi@sumax.seattleu.edu (Tuff Hedelman fan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Aladdin-Supervising Animators
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:23:54 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

There is also a woman who is a Disney Animator with the last name Keane. I don't
know if she is another one of Bill's children or Glen's wife. I am thinking that
she is probably the wife. More on this later. 

kevin

 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: re: Are following LDs available?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:46:29 GMT

In article <168BE644.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>   When I took a trip to NYC a few weeks back, I saw laserdisks of
>_Alice in Wonderland_, and _Sword in the Stone_.  From the blurbs, it said
>these were made from remastered prints.  However, they were in CLV versions.
>   Does anyone know if these films are available in CAV?
>   If not, does anyone know if there are plans to put them out in CAV LD?
>   Finally, does anyone know the release date for _101 Dalmations_ in
>CAV LD?

I believe all Disney "Classic" LDs were released in both CAV and CLV 
format.  According to my trusty Leonard Maltin's Movie and Video 
Guide 1993, _One_Hundred_and_One_Dalmatians_ is available only on a 
VHS format.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: zm4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Zarina  Mustapha)
Subject: MISC: Lea Solonga
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:15:34 GMT

Just a little info about the person behind Jasmine's voice.  She sings as 
Tuptim in Hollywood Bowl new recording (remake) of the King and I. (Ben 
Kingsley is King Mongkut, Julie Andrews as Mrs. Leonowens and Peabo Bryson as
Lun Tha).

Nice voices and album!



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[   Henry Krumb School of Mines                                      ]
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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: * Disneyland reference in BatB
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:05:03 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

[From    ] Cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (robert C [MSG 2479 OF 2517]
[To      ] All
[Date    ] Fri 11 Dec 92 19:48
[Subject ] Re: * Disneyland reference in BatB