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From: george.gassaway@the-matrix.com (George Gassaway) 
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Apollo Program photos
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:52:00 GMT
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Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: george.gassaway@the-matrix.com (George Gassaway) 

I am currently researching Apollo-7 for the purposes of creating and 
documenting detailed drawings of the Saturn-IB launch vehicle. This is for 
the purpose of building detailed scale models. 

A number of details have been documented by drawings and other materials 
obtained from Marshall. And some from photos taken of the two Saturn IB's 
on display (one in north Alabama [I-65 welcome center], and one at KSC).

But, some details are still not resolved, mostly related to the spacecraft 
(especially boost cover) and portions of the launch vehicle that are not 
accurately represented in the two display vehicles.

So, the point of this, I'm trying to locate photographs taken of the 
actual Apollo-7 vehicle and spacecraft (Service Module, and the boost 
cover/escape system). I do have some photos which show the whole vehicle 
on the pad from top to bottom, which are useful, but no detailed closer-up 
photos (some details are hinted at in such photos, but no way to see what 
the details really are).

I know that NASA created some videodiscs about 10 years ago or so that 
catalogued thousands and thousands of photos, I think one disc was 
dedicated to the Apollo program itself. I would like to obtain such a disc 
to be able to go through it photo by photo to locate the kinds that would 
be useful, assuming that the photos on ths video disc did include the 
photo number for each, then I could use those numbers to get good quality 
8 x 10 photographs printed by the appropriate NASA photocontractor.

I asked about this on NASA Spacelink, and got a response indicating the 
file to look in which listed commercial material. Unfortunately, the file 
listings did not seem to have what I was looking for, the closest thing 
was an Apollo-17 videodisc that included videomovie footage and then some 
limited still photos. Of course, Apollo-17 was launched by a Saturn-V, 
while what I'm looking for is Apollo-7 which was launched by a Saturn-IB.

Does anyone know of who might have Apollo program videodiscs that have the 
kind of numerous photo stills (with the critically important photo 
numbers) I'm talking about? Or suggest some other NASA branch to ask?

Of course, ideally, I'd love to go somewhere to look through the actual 
photo files in person, but even if I knew where it would be hard to 
justify doing so (I'm in the Birmingham, AL area). I'm hoping to find the 
right kind of videodisc of stills that will be almost the same, which at 
least 10 years ago WAS possible. I just hope such a videodisc still 
exists.

Thanks for any info you can give.

- George Gassaway

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From: gallas2@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Sean Michael Gallagher)
Subject: Re: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 03:05:33 GMT

nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:

>Oh, give me a break. Seven trained people, flying a brand-new,
>more-or-less untested vehicle? They knew the risks. How is this even
>comparable to massive tragedies like the famines in the Horn of
>Africa, or the Azerbaijan earthquake, or even to the Lockerbie
>bombing? To any airliner crash? There are even highway pileups which
>kill more.

>Sure, it's a tragedy. But don't go blowing it out of proportion.

>Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu

There are many tragedies which occur every day in the world, but if I felt as
deeply about each of them as I do about Challenger, I wouldn't be sane for 
very long.  You can't measure a tragedy in terms of the sheer magnitude of 
catastrophe.  It is subjective, measured by how it affects you.  You can't
allow yourself to weep for everyone who suffers everywhere in the world, so
you weep for those who you know, or can relate to.  I saw the Challenger 7 as
not just another seven marks on the death board like you did, but as heroes
who died expanding the frontiers of human knowledge.  They died for humanity.

Have you no hopes? No dreams?  I did, until Challenger ripped them out from
under me.
				Sean

P.S. I'm sorry if that sounded like a flame...I wrote what I thought and don't
like getting sarcastic responses like that one.
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Bumbling Geek Scientists (was Re: Space Education/News/Adds)
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:20:27 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1993Jan26.190640.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> Also start or help local quality TV organizations, namely cause of what I have
> seen the basic bent for modern TV is a prime help for the lack of science in
> the current crop of students.. 

[I am having trouble parsing this, but it seems to be connected to what
follows.]

> Im not talking violence, Im talking about who is cool and who is not..
> Scientists many times are not cool, they are egghead, nerds, geeks and such..
> Bumbling social idiots.. (I might be wrong)..

With all due respect, Mike, you are wrong.

*I* am cool.

Ask anybody.

Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey              | Here Lies Bill Higgins:
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory  | He Never Ever Learned 
Bitnet:           HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET  | To Play Guitar So Well
Internet:       HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV  | But He Could Read and Write
SPAN/Hepnet:           43011::HIGGINS  | Just Like Ringing A Bell
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: DC-1 eventual construction question...
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:09:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: iti.1993Jan27.020909.11819
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

In article <ewright.728027076@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>>If Uncle Sam doesn't pay for the initial development of the Y vehicle
>>(and possibly DC1) it won't happen. Period.

>That is by no means certain.  

For the forssable future, I think it is.

>Lockheed was ready to proceed with an 
>SSTO using its own money, if the government was willing to get out
>of the way.  

What do you mean by out of the way?

>Grumman was prepared to go ahead with the development
>of a smaller, commercial SSTO (Frequent Flyer) using its own funds, 
>if SDIO had selected its proposal for the suborbital demonstration 

That is news to me. Grumman was not one of the Phase I contractors.

>Boeing is prepared to go ahead with an SSTO project, if it
>can be shown what the markets are.  

Sure. The operative words are 'if it can be shown what the markets are'.
They won't settle for expected space tourism or other applications which
may or may not happen.

>>One DC-1 would be enough for almost all of the current launch market.

>That's because you're looking at the wrong market.  

I am looking at the existing launch market. There are no others.

>Any vehicle that
>can reach orbit, single-staged, can reach Japan or Tokyo as well.  There
>is a market for fast transportation, for people as well as cargo.  Beyond
>that, space tourism is a major market -- much more so than the satellite
>launch market, according to G. Harry Stine.

I agree. The problem is that this cannot be proven to the degree needed
to justify the opportunity cost of funding development. If you don't
agree, show us your buisness plan.

    Allen

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Saving an overweight SSTO....
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:47:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1jpcvtINNmjh@mirror.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:

>How about this.  ping pong around.   HawaII to Ecuador. Ecuador to Spain.
>Spain to Tanzania.  Tanzania to India,  India to Australia,  Australia
>to Hawaii.   

>You bounce around and just keep meeting cargos.


The problem is, that assumes an equal number of cargoes in all 
locations, which wouldn't be the case.  You'd have a lot of
cargoes waiting for you in Hawaii, fewer in India and Australia,
practically none in Ecuador and Tanzania.

Ideas like this make sense when you're talking about expendable
artillery shells, and the emphasis is on maximum performance,
but when you're talking about airplanes -- or spaceships --
operational considerations must take precedence.
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Subject: Re: Handling Antimatter
From: hugh@huia.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:23:44 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Canterbury, New Zealand

>>>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:30:01 EST, Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> said:

G> Neither antimatter nor nuke-thermal are very good for launching
G> to orbit(not if we expect to use that part of the planet again),

Why?  I'm no expert, but I think there would be little or no
radiation release from a Nerva-style nuclear thermal rocket.  And the
release from a Nerva-style antimatter fueled rocket would depend on
how well you can stop gamma rays.

The only mechanism I can see for release in the nuclear thermal case
would be parts of the engine getting irradiated and then eroded away
by the propellant stream.  

Nervas were tested, does anyone have any figures for the amount of
radiation (or radioactive materials) released into the environment?

Hugh
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:25:35 GMT

I remember vividly where I was.
I was jogging in the green foothills behind Stanford before classes.  
Sally Ride had jogged there too until she joined NASA.
I remember several news breaks about the progress of the launch-
they had delayed it a few times that day because of the
weather, and I was cynical about that.  So then I heard the launch
and the crash in about two minutes and got very emotional
almost to the point of tears.  The last public event that affected
me this way was John Lennon's murder- the Beattles would never
get together again.  A niece was born that day.  Our family calls
her the "shuttle baby".
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From: rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff)
Subject: Re: Next  unmanned missions to Venus *
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:39:04 GMT

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>From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
>Newsgroups: sci.space
>Subject: Re: Next unmanned missions to Venus?
>Date: 20 Jan 1993 05:55 UT
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>In article <rabjab.25.727499456@golem.ucsd.edu>, rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab) writes...
>>Does anyone know of plans for future Venus exploration?  Any
>>leads would be appreciated.
>
>The only mission I'm aware of that will be going to Venus within the
>next 10 years is Cassini.  Cassini will be making two Venus flybys
>in 1998 and 1999 as part of its gravity assisted trajectory to Saturn.
>But other than that, it looks pretty bleak for Venus missions. I know
>several members of the Magellan team would like to see another spacecraft
>dedicated to Venus.  The Soviets had tentative plans a couple of years
>ago to send a Venera spacecraft to Venus in 2005, but as far as I know
>those plans have been abandoned.  


Hmmm, well, I guess if we were to make any kind of serious exploration of
Venus's  surface we would have to develop electronics componants that
operate comforably at 900f. And metals that can protect the inards of the
probe from terrential sulfuric acid down-poors..
How WOULD we do that by the way? Anyone know??


         --- Ryan Korniloff
         --- rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: 0004244402@mcimail.com (Karl Dishaw)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: I want to be a space cadet
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:19:36 GMT
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Fuzzy writes:
>Most new guys
>(military) who enter AFSPACECOM go to Undergraduate Space Training for a few
>months to learn all about rockets and satellites and astrodynamics.

Undergraduate Space Training is a 14-week combination of freshman 
physics and memorizing statistics on AFSPACECOM's assets, one of the 
worst wastes of $taxes I've seen.  I had wonderful time partying in 
Denver but the only time I learned stuff was talking to instructors 
outside class (the only time they're allowed to mention stuff that can't 
fit into a multiple-choice test).  TDY pay was nice too--you KNOW a 
lieutenant's overpaid when he sends money to his parents.  :-)


Karl
sold my soul to Uncle Sam . . . now marked down for resale.
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From: davem@ee.ubc.ca (Dave Michelson)
Subject: Re: "suicides" of SDI scientists
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: sci
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:42:43 GMT

In article <C1DxM5.Ev.1@cs.cmu.edu> roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts) writes:
>
>...there's a significant chance that you read either this story or a reference
>to this story, and now you remember it as an historical event.
>
>Or, maybe, [lowers voice to ominous tone] 
>it...wasn't...just...a...story!!! [eerie music plays in background]
>    
> :-)
 
In fact, it *was* an historical event.  About four years ago(?), the media
spent a great deal of time pondering a number of "suspicious" suicides
of defence scientists working in Britain for companies like Marconi
Space and Defence.  It's even possible that "60 Minutes" ran a segment
on the issue.  Nothing was ever proven, though, and the media lost
interest.  As I recall, the suspicious nature of the deaths was raised
by the victim's families who asked the media to investigate on their behalf.
 
---
Dave Michelson                             University of British Columbia 
davem@ee.ubc.ca                                  Antenna Laboratory
From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Mir mission to Mars?
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 23 Jan 93  11:00:50

The mission you mention is technically feasible, with some risks to the crew
that others here will certainly elaborate upon.
 
The major obstacle is money. The Russians don't have it, and the US is not
going to fund Russians exploration of Mars.
  
However, if the Finn government were to provide sufficient funding, I'm sure a 
human flight to Mars could be arranged.

--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: "Bob Montante" <bobmon@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: So what's happened to Henry Spencer?
Organization: dyskaryotic
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:09:23 -0500

| > |>Does anyone know why Henry Spencer has not posted recently?
| > 
| > Perhaps he is on vacation - with Elvis?

He's *ba-a-a-a-ck-k-k...*

:) And we're all glad!
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:35:13 GMT

From "International Herald Tribune", January 21, 1993:

U.S. SUPERPLANE: ANOTHER UFO TALE ?
by Malcolm W. Browne, New York Times Service

NEW YORK - Rumors and reported sightings of a secret American superplane
have been spreading lately almost as abundantly as yarns about
unidentified flying objects.

  But despite the acknowledged yearning of many American aviation
experts and buffs for an ultra-fast spy plane, it appears that
development of even the engine needed for such a plane is moving faster
in Russia than in the United States.

  Advancing the case for wishful thinking, John E. Pike, an aviation
expert, has written: "Belief in the existence of marvelously capable
and highly secret aircraft resonates with some of the deeper anxieties
of contemporary American society. Aviation has long been one of the
distinguishing attributes of American greatness, but the declining
fortunes of the American aerospace industry have created growing
uncertainties about the future."

  The possible existence of a new American intelligence-gathering
plane capable of flying at eight times the speed of sound has been
suggested in recent articles in the British periodical Jane's Defense
Weekly, the American magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology and
other respected technical publications.

  These reports are based partly on sightings of large and unusually
shaped airplanes, peculiar looking condensation trails left by high-
flying aircraft, and strange rumbling sounds around the world.

  Some experts say they believe the purported sightings of a hypersonic
reconnaissance plane are credible in light of some mysterious Defense
Departement budget items in the 1980s referring to a project called
"Aurora".

  Donald B. Rice, secretary of the air force, said last month that
reports of such an aircraft were "fantasy."

  William Sweetman, author of the report published in December by
Jane's Defense Weekly, still believes in the existence of some kind
of secret, high-speed spy plane.

  "Many of these sightings were from highly qualified and credible
observers," he said.

  Meanwhile, Russia and its French aerospace partners have announced
the successful test firing of a "scramjet" engine - an engine that
operates at speeds starting at five times that of sound, and capable
of boosting an airplane toward orbit outside the atmosphere.

  The French-Russian test, as reported by Aviation Week & Space
Technology, was carried out Nov. 17 in Kazakhstan.

(end of article)
From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Apollo Program photos
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993  13:38 edt
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In Article <11748.409.uupcb@the-matrix.com> "george.gassaway@the-matrix.com (George Gassaway) " says:
> I am currently researching Apollo-7 for the purposes of creating and 
> documenting detailed drawings of the Saturn-IB launch vehicle. This is for 
> the purpose of building detailed scale models. 
> 
> [deleted stuff]
> 
> 
> I know that NASA created some videodiscs about 10 years ago or so that 
> catalogued thousands and thousands of photos, I think one disc was 
> dedicated to the Apollo program itself. I would like to obtain such a disc 
> to be able to go through it photo by photo to locate the kinds that would 
> be useful, assuming that the photos on ths video disc did include the 
> photo number for each, then I could use those numbers to get good quality 
> 8 x 10 photographs printed by the appropriate NASA photocontractor.
 
I too am researching Apollo with similar intentions; however, my interest is
in SA-6 and SA-7 (Saturn I, Block 2).  I too would be interested in the disc 
to which George refers.  
 
Or if any one has photos (and/or photo numbers) I'd appreciate the info. 
 
Specifically I am looking for: 
 
 Details of the H2 vent plumbing on the outside of the interstage and 
 associated aerodynamic fairings on the S4. 
 
 Exterior markings on the S4 and the adapter between the S4 and the 
 instrumentation module.
 
 Details of the boiler plate capsule.
 
Unfortunately all of the photos I have of this detail are copy stand prints 
lacking the reference numbers and too many generations old to be useful if 
they were blown up.
 
Thanks.
- Roger
 
PS.  So that's what you're working on for NARAM, George.
     Tired of LJ-II's?  :-)
 
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From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Subject: Re: Lunar Rotation (was: Earth's rotation rate...)
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Distribution: sci
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:15:20 GMT

In article <C16EL7.Cqw@brunel.ac.uk> mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) writes:
: BTW, I heard that the Moon is actually *bistable*.  Aren't we lucky we
: got the pretty face?

If we get bored we could always turn the Moon the other way 'round...

Larry Wall
lwall@netlabs.com
From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@beach.rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB")
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Justification for the Space Program
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:59:07 GMT
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I know that the discussion regarding the justification for the space 
program died out about 2 weeks ago, but I just bought a book related to 
the subject and I was wondering if anyone on the net has read it.

It's called "Breakout Into Space, Mission for a Generation" by George 
Henry Elias.  The cover blurb reads in part: "(the book) presents a 
broadly, efficiently argued case for moving civilization beyond Earth's 
limits and into the solar system. (Elias) explores the environmental, 
economic,, and political benefits of space settlement.  Inhabiting space 
is no longer science fiction, but human necessity - and destiny . . . 
The establishment of a space civilization is an essential part of the 
effort to preserve the environment, prevent global war, and provide a 
stable economic future".

Any comments about the book, either pro or con?

Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind).
Ben Muniz     MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com    w(818)586-3578
Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics
   "Man will not fly for fifty years": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901
From: Frederick.A.Ringwald@dartmouth.edu (Frederick A. Ringwald)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Color scheme on the VAB
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:19:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Hi all, sorry I've not been around, but I've been busy getting ready to
move to England next month, where I will be quite certain to go to the
BIS lectures. How could I possibly miss those?! 

What I was wondering was, this Christmas break, on my usual trip to
Florida to visit my parents, I made my usual trip to KSC, and thought I
noticed something odd. Maybe it was just that I was there in late
afternoon, but - could it be? - did they change the color scheme on the
VAB? 

It seemed dark grey on light grey, as opposed to black on white, as it
used to be, with the red-white-and-blue added in 1976. Again, maybe it
was only the lighting?

Fred Ringwald
Department of Physics & Astronomy
Dartmouth College
Hanover, NH 03755-3528 (for the time being)
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