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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - MissouriValley
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:50:06 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Just haven't been able to compete with bigger conferences over the last 
few years. Maybe their decline has been because of the rise of the Big 8
in the eighties? 

Brian Alexander           6-8  C/F Detroit, MI                   Wichita State
Lamont Belser             6-9  C   Dickinson, TX                 Wichita State
Randall Crutcher          6-7  WF  Chicago, IL                   Creighton
Terrence Flowers          6-1  PG  Chicago, IL                   Wichita State
Kevin Griffin             6-4  2G  Racine, WI                    Northern Iowa
Josh Hallatt              6-11 C   Switz City, IN                Indiana State
Jermaine Kemp             5-10 PG  St. Louis, MO                 SW Missouri State
Anthony Parker            6-4  G/F Naperville, IL                Bradley
Jay Phifer                6-2  2G  Troy, MI                      Illinois State
Adam Reid                 6-8  PF  Clear Creek, IA               Creighton
Shea Seals(#118)          6-6  G/F Tulsa, OK                     Tulsa
Shadrick Thomas           6-3  2G  Chicago, IL                   SW Missouri State
Ryan Weichman             6-8  PF  Flanagan, IL                  Illinois State
Shane Wells               6-11 C   Olney, IL                     Southern Illinois
Troy Wharton              5-11 PG  New Orleans, LA               Creighton

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - Patriot
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:17:42 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


Go Rams!! Hey, Fordham goes to Texas and recruits some players. 

Ram fans are still dreaming of the day when they will once again trounce
St. John's

Connie Mack               6-9  C   LaMarque, TX                  Fordham
Chad Williams             6-5  WF  Dallas, TX                    Fordham

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From: zeus@camelot.bradley.edu (Alex Lecea)
Subject: Re: RESULTS OF THE BRADLEY VS. LOYOLA-CHICAGO?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:02:00 GMT

Keith A. Lewis writes:
>CAN SOME TELL ME THE RESULTS OF THE GAME BETWEEN BRADLEY AND LOYOLA-
>CHICAGO.  AND HOW WELL DEION JACKSON MAY HAVE DONE.

  Bradley won 69 - 64.  According to today's Chicago Trib, Jackson
went 2-3 1-2 for 5 points.
  Next Game:  Tomorrow (saturday) Home against Manhattan College.

Go Braves!
Alex
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From: Michael.Bohl@launchpad.unc.edu (Michael Bohl)
Subject: Duke-Iowa Basketball tickets needed
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:54:43 GMT

I would dearly love to attend the Iowa-Duke basketball game somewhere
mid-season.  If anyone has tickets, can get them, or would be able to
provide me with suggestions as to how to acquire them, please email me
back.  I live in North Carolina, but can not get tickets from this end. 
Any help or direction would be appreciated.

Mike B.

email--Michael.Bohl@bbs.oit.unc.edu


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:22:15 EST
From: <JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke Stats as of 12/13

 1992 - 1993 Duke Basketball Stats
name       g  fgm  fga fg%  ftm  fta  ft%     3pm  points ppg
GHill      6  58 - 94  61.7  15 - 23  65.2    2    133    22.2
THill      6  40 - 69  58.0  22 - 31  71.0    5    107    17.8
Hurley     6  29 - 61  47.5  31 - 38  81.6    10    99    16.5
Parks      6  32 - 44  72.7  14 - 20  70.0    0     78    13.0
Lang       6  19 - 35  54.3   9 - 12  75.0    0     47     7.8
Clark      6   9 - 26  34.6  14 - 14 100.0    1     33     5.5
Collins    5   9 - 22  40.9   2 -  3  66.7    6     26     5.2
Meek       6   8 - 17  47.1  12 - 15  80.0    0     28     4.7
Blakeney   5   7 - 15  46.7   5 -  6  83.3    4     23     4.6
Moore      5   7 - 12  58.3   3 -  4  75.0    0     17     3.4
Brown      5   0 -  3   0.0   0 -  0   0.0    0      0     0.0

Additionals:

Rebounding:
           GHill 43; Parks 42; Lang 32; THill 30; Hurley 19; Clark 18; Meek 16;
           Moore 15; Blakeny 10; Collins 9; Brown 4

Assists:
        Hurley 51; GHill 25; Clark,Collins 8;THill 7; Parks 5; Blakeney 4;
        Lang 3; Meek,Moore,Brown 1

3p%:
    Blakeney,Collins 50.0; THill 41.2; Hurley 35.7; GHill 28.6; Clark 11.1



note: these stats include the two pre-season games.
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ps - as of 12/17, my address is shut down til february 93. It was a fun time
arguing, aggravating, and agreeing with y'all!
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: RPI Ranking System Scores 12/8/92
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:48:10 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Dec11.194412.24881@samba.oit.unc.edu> George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
>>> >   Here's a preliminary look at how the RPI scores are shaping up.
>>> >Rnk. Name                 RPI     W  L  OW OL    F1     F2     F3
>>> >247. Air Force            0.2000  0  2   0  3   0.0000 0.0000 0.5000
>>> >252. Northern Arizona     0.1800  1  1   0  2   0.5000 0.0000 0.2000
>>
>>One of the things that I didn't understand about this was the OW - 
>>does the opponents win over Air Force or Northern Arizona count
>>in the opponents win total?  Apparently not.  
>
>	Another, subtler point is this: do two opponents' games against *each
>other* count? 

This is probably why, for instance, North Carolina is ranked so low.
They played in a four-team tournament that had a consolation round, so by 
definition they *must* have played a team that has already lost a game.  
In fact, the winner of such a tournament will *always* come out 2-0 against 
teams going 2-1.  

Seriously, if you are going to go down to the level of F3, you have to throw
out interopponent games like you do in computing F2.  

Of course, things should start looking better in the future, but this
interopponent stuff will really start showing up once serious conference 
play starts.

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - SEC
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Not as many as the B11 or ACC but the overall quality is just as good. 
There are still 6 top 150 players high on the list of SEC teams. Before
it's all said and done, they could lay claim to the top recruiting 
confernence in the land.

Eric Dampier(#40)         6-11 C   Monticello, MS                Mississippi State
Melvin Drake(#88)         6-5  WF  Albany, GA                    Georgia
Wesley Flanigan(#123)     6-1  PG  Little Rock, AR               Auburn
Ed Gray(#44)              6-3  2G  Riverside, CA                 Tennessee
Artie Griffin             6-5  2G  San Antonio, TX               Alabama
Ronnie Henderson(#7)      6-5  2G  Jackson, MS                   LSU
Nathan Langley            6-2  2G  Washington, DC                South Carolina
Randy Livingston(#1)      6-4  PG  New Orleans, LA               LSU
Patrick Patterson         6-6  PF  New Albany, MS                Mississippi
Howard Pride(#64)         6-2  PG  Huntsville, AL                Vanderbilt
Darnell Robinson(#13)     6-11 C   Emeryville, CA                Arkansas
Jeff Sheppard(#26)        6-3  2G  Atlanta, GA                   Kentucky
Franklin Williams(#128)   6-6  F   Headland, AL                  Auburn
Greg Williams(#74)        6-2  PG  Reston, Virginia              Florida

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From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: UC 91   Georgia Southern 57
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:33:36 GMT

The Bearcats destroyed Georgia Southern 91-57 before another
crowd of 10,000+. It was never really close as UC lead something
like 10-0 then 20-2. Erik Martin was named  Tournament MVP
(Bearcat Classic) and Fr. Keith Gegror and So. Curtis Bostic
were named to the all tournament team. Uc has won their first
3 games by an average of 34pts. Their trapping defense has
caused an average of 30 turnovers per game. Nicky Van Exel
had limited PT, but had 9 pts. UC first real test will be
at Indiana on Saturaday 5:30pm on ESPN. Hopefully if UC's
shots are dropping they can stay close. Last year (at home)
UC lead by 6 at the half, but was blown out and lost by 20.
It was a early turning point that seemed to get UC going in the right
direction (to the Final Four).

David
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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Kansas' Ostertag out with injury
Keywords: Ostertag, stress fracture miss 4wks
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:03:53 GMT

In <thurston.724299762@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu> thurston@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Tad Thurston) writes:

>scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:


>>In article <1992Dec10.221456.25908@ncar.ucar.edu>, grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:
>>>I read in the local newspaper (ha ha) that reserve center Greg
>>>Ostertag of the Kansas Jayhawks will be out 4 weeks with a stress
>>>fracture in his leg.  When did this happen?  Opinions on how this
>>>will affect Kansas as the Big8 season approaches?
>>>
>>He did it early in the season and had been playing on it till it
>>got too bad.  I don't think this will hurt in the Big8 as he should
>>be back by then.  Only thing that might hurt is cohesiveness, ie
>>lack of familarity by playing together.  

>>Richey is also out 2weeks for Orthoscoptic(sp) surgery on his knee.
>>--
>>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
>>(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road

>What will be their expected status by the date of the Oklahoma game at
>Norman Jan 11?  Just a salivating Sooner fan... :)

>T. Thurston


I believe they will both be back on the bench by that time.  

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:25:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

dew6c@topaz.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) wrote:

}That's not quite the way I remember it...  North Carolina and Duke had
}excellent seasons - this is true - but Tech did not do nearly as well
}as expected.

It's true that Tech didn't fare as well as expected in 1986, but
then few preseason #1's do.

}             They came off their 1985 ACC Championship season in
}which they beat North Carolina 3 times and lost to eventual champion
}Georgetown in the Sweet Sixteen.  

Actually that loss to G'town was in the Final 8, and the Hoyas didn't
win it that year (1985) - they lost to Villanova in the finals.

}                                                But it was a miserable
}year for them...  They lost nearly half their conference games, lost
}in the first round of the ACC tourney (if I remember correctly), and
}they lost in either the first or second round of the NCAA's.

1986 was most certainly not a "miserable year" for the Yellow Jackets -
they finished the regular season 25-6 and ranked 6th in the country.
They finished 2nd or 3rd in the ACC regular season and lost a nail-biter
to Duke in the ACC Tournament Finals.  They did disappoint a bit in
the NCAA tournament, however, losing to eventual final four participant
LSU in the Sweet Sixteen (i.e. the third round).

}have been the year that they lost to their nemesis, the Richmond
}Spiders. 

The year Georgia Tech lost to Richmond in the NCAA tourney was the
same season Indiana fell to the Spiders.  1987, I think.

As to whether 1986 was a good year for the ACC or not, the league
had 3 of the top 8 in the final regular season poll and had 4 of
the Sweet Sixteen, both of which are pretty strong showings.

-- 
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Anfernee Hardaway
Keywords: paging Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:20:52 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

shess@admin1.memst.edu writes:
>  Anyone agree with ESPN's Tim Brando that the later starting
>  date for college practices has contributed to the rash of early season
>  injuries?

No. It's sort of like global warming: too little data. It's also sort
of like saying Eddie Fogler looks like Squiggy when every body knows
he looks like one of the cops from Smilin' Jack. I can't think of 
anything more that it's sort of like.

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Michigan All-Time Greats Results
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:53:00 CST

In article <Bz3xEn.Mso@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Pretty good response on this one -- guess there are a lot of
>	Wolverine fans out there!

Not really.  I'm just a Big 10 fan (NO FLAMES), and have paid attention to
all of these teams...

>	1st team:
>	G -- Ricky Green, 12 (6)
>	G -- Gary Grant, 11 (4)
>	F -- Glen Rice, 22 (11)  (only unanimous choice)
>	F -- Cazzie Russell, 16 (8)
>	F/C- Chris Webber, 13 (6)

Though Webber certainly belongs here eventually, I'm not so sure I would
have put him here immediately (you have to earn those stripes!).  Doesn't
Michael McGee still hold the UMICH!!! career scoring record, or did Rice
break it?  I also think McGee (or Rice) holds the Big 10 career scoring
record, since I don't believe Alford surpassed that.

>	Also receiving multiple votes:
>	Phil Hubbard 8 (4), Mike McGee 8 (4), Roy Tarpley 7 (2), Rumeal
>	Robinson 6 (2), Jalen Rose 4 (2), Loy Vaught 4 (1), n
>	Rose 4 (2), Loy Vaught 4 (1), Rudy Tomjanovich 2 (1), Juwon
>	Howard 2 (1), Mike Griffin 2.

Boy, there's a lot of decent players here, but Mike Griffin?

>	Receiving one vote a piece:
>	Campy Russell, Bill Buntin, Steve Grote, Antoine Joubert, Eric
>	Riley, James Voskuil, Billy Butts, J.P Oosterbaan, Marc Koenig.

J.P. Oosterbaan?  Yikes!  Come on, you guys!
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From: bradley@storm.rtp.dg.com (Scott Bradley)
Subject: Re: Montross and Dream Team
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:13:36 GMT
Reply-To: bradley@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

(Curt Hill) writes:
> >>Jordan, in response to "Who was the most impressive player amongst the
> >>collegians?" ---"Montross"
> >
> >Not to doubt you, but where did you read this? I had read (In SI, I believe)
> >that Montross had had his problems with Da Admiral and Ewing, and that his
> >confidence was slightly hurt.
> 
> 
> The Jordan thing was on TV somewhere.
> 
> You read the "confidence" thing in the only mildly biased "Poop Sheet",
> which extrapolated the confidence thing by Montross saying "I may not
> start off at the same level this year that I left off at in the NCAA's"
> and Smith saying, "His time with the Dream Team may have hurt his confidence".
> 
> Eric was right, of course.  He averaged 18.1 ppg and 10.1 rpg in the
> NCAA's.  He's averaging 17.3 ppg and 8.5 rpg now.  However, that's in
> only 24.3 minutes per game.  I think he was averaging well over 30mpg
> in the NCAA's last year.
> 
> Analysis in the Poop Sheet should be ignored.  The Basketball Times is
> suspect, too, as Larry Donald thinks Georgetown is a top 10 team.
> 
> 

We shouldn't listen to biased comments?  The why should we listen to Jordan
talking about Montross.  I suspect at least a wee bit of bias here.
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Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (12-18-92)
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:41:28 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Keywords: Big Ten

Randy Peppler writes:

>Sunday-Tuesday (12-20/22):
>
>	Iowa vs. American U. of Puerto Rico at the San Juan Shootout

     Just to fill in the draw for this tournament...

              --   Iowa vs American University (PR)      --
           --|                                             |--
          |   --   Illinois-Chicago vs Eastern Michigan  --   |
        --|                                                   |--
          |   --   Southern Illinois vs Radford          --   |
           --|                                             |--
              --   Mississippi State vs Florida Int'l    --

     Iowa has already beaten Mississippi State in the final of the
     Amana Hawkeye Classic.  UIC has given Illinois and Michigan
     State tough games.  Southern Illinois is 4-0 so far...

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - WAC
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Pretty respectable recruiting. Robbie Reid is BYU's coaches son. He looks
like a California surfin dude with his bouncy blonde hair but don't let that
fool you. I saw the kid play this summer and he was tough as nails. He also
could hit his shot from just about anywhere. BYU is going to get tougher.

Is Brett Jepsen the younger brother of Les Jepsen from Iowa?

Jim Carroll(#130)         6-5  2G  Auburn, CA                    Utah
Ryan Chilton(#131)        6-11 C   Kelso, WA                     Colorado State
Carlos Curtis             6-8  C/F Dallas, TX                    New Mexico
Brett Jepsen              6-10 C   Roswell, NM                   Brigham Young
Martin Lewis              6-6  WF  Liberal, KS                   Colorado State
Ben Melmeth(#125)         6-10 C   Salt Lake City, UT            Utah
Russ Nichols              6-5  WF  Littleton, CO                 Colorado State
Robbie Reid(#50)          6-2  PG  Spanish Fork, UT              Brigham Young
Charles Smith(#59)        6-4  2G  Fort Worth, TX                New Mexico
Keith Van Horn(#94)       6-8  WF  Diamond Bar, CA               Utah

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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: BYU Report: BYU vs. Weber State
Keywords: BYU basketball
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:44:27 GMT

jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow) writes:

>BYU Basketball Report: BYU vs. Weber State

>BYU traveled to Ogden...

and traveled *at* Ogden, it seems.

> Sanderson was called for travelling on a 3-point attempt that would 
> have given BYU the lead.  Replay showed no indication that Nick travelled.

> Sanderson gave it his best attempt but was again called for travelling 
> on a 3 point attempt and again the replay showed no sign of a travel.

I think you must not have watched the replay closely enough.  If you watch,
there, on the side of the screen, the man in the striped shirt is spinning
his forearms around one another.  That's a well known sign of travelling.

Seriously, you have to be right on a play to detect certain forms of
travelling.  The most notorious of these is the "pivot back-forth and
slide" where the player pivots and then slides his pivot foot across
to take the jumper (since most players shoot jumpers with their feet
together).  Given the circumstance, that's probably what the call was.

In fairness, though, it's also the least called form of travelling.

Now stop whining.
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