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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Inheritance Tax Question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:23:33 GMT

In article <Bzo95H.AGG@taligent.com> cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.145318.2075@walter.bellcore.com> cpg@caribbean.bellcore.com (Curt Goedde) writes:
>>After all estate taxes have been applied to the distribution of an
>>estate, is the remaining inheritance taxable as part of normal income
>>to the benefactors?
>
>In general, no; the estate taxes are all that you have to pay (not that
>they're not bad enough)

This is the generally right answer.

However, I have seen some complex estates where the executor has
established an escrow account For Benefit Of the heirs.  Since an
estate can take a year or two or three to close, income generating
assets of the estate after estimated taxes could be placed into such
an account.

The executor normally needs to file both an estate tax return
covering the estate, and also an annual fiduciary income tax
return (Form 706) for income generated by the the estate while
it is still open.  The latter is filed on a form 1041 and
resembles a 1040.

But if the heir's tax rate is lower than the estate's, it is
advantageous to place income-generating assets into an escrow or
similar account for the benefit of the heirs, and report income
on a 1099 apportioned to each heir.

So it is possible  though unlikely, that you could find the executor
has filed a form 1099 requiring you to report income earned by
assets of the estate which have not yet been distributed to you.

This is probably for your benefit however.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: ljw@dar.csiro.au (WATERMAN Linda)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:06:03 GMT

A writer cannot flourish, but for the existence of readers. Whether she writes
to produce a best seller, or writes to produce an art work, her work is
worthless if it cannot be read. Many writers are afraid of grammar,
often with good reason. At school they may have been punished for breaking
the rules, instead of being gently shown why the structure had sabotaged
their meaning. This wasn't the problem for me. At my secondary school, we
were taught a minimum of grammar. The chances to write creatively were rare.
I envy those who were forced to study grammar, because they have an
intelligent, and creative, advantage.

Although I've been a writer for over eleven years, my first efforts had no
structure, no fine detail. I knew to improve my work, I had to learn grammar,
so I started reading every grammar book I could find. The rules cannot be
learned overnight, but they are worth learning. In time, many of the rules
become second nature. I still have much to learn, but I look forward to it.
Grammar is a framework, a canvas on which we paint our words. It not only
guides us, it guides our readers. It is a common point from which we can
depart, and develop our own style.

I am lucky to have an honest critic, who will show me where my prose fails.
Often, it is a sentence that has been structured badly, and makes my reader
work to grasp my meaning. We write to make readers think, but we should not
force them to grapple with the mechanics of our written work. We should not
distract them from the meaning. I am not a published writer, but I take pride
in learning my craft. When I finish a piece of my work, I want to show
the reader a rich tapestry which is invisibly, but securely, held together
by a sturdy frame: grammar.

Linda

My views are personal, and do not reflect those of my employer.
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:25:47 GMT

Not so fast, Wilson! Didn't you see the sign--"Lurkers in Cyberspace Will Be
Shot," which I corrected out of the passive to "We Shoot Cyberspace Lurkers"?

I sympathize with your feelings about the schools' dubious encouragement of
writing skills, and no doubt various people will suggest we take our
discussion elsewhere to misc.education or alt.parental.frustration. Still, a
newsgroup devoted to writing ought to have the bandwidth (God, I write the
jargon like a native!) to tolerate a parochial discussion with galactic
implications.

Yup, sentence diagramming is as lost an art as cuneiform; I can't even do it
myself very well anymore, and my students get that hunted look when I try.
Many of them do realize they're dreadfully weak in the grammar of their own
language's standard dialect. I don't think, however, that the schools are
entirely to blame. In some areas I find my own grade 12 daughter writing
exceedingly well, albeit with too much emphasis on formula: thesis, 3
paragraphs of proof, restatement of thesis. She also has a literary
vocabulary quite beyond what I possessed at her age (okay, when I was her age
written language had yet to be invented, but hey--we had a great oral
tradition of tales of mammoth hunts).

What we don't always recognize is that for every baby boomer who mastered
parts of speech in 1957, three left school before they got the chance. School
30 years ago was a conscious winnowing of the academic wheat from the
semiliterate chaff. Since then we've changed the emphasis in the schools
altogether--so that now we want (in theory) to hang on to everyone and
graduate everyone with a solid grounding in academic subjects. This is an
admirable and necessary goal, but we're still locked into a system that
doesn't know much beyond winnowing. Old habits, like old teachers, die hard.

I could go on about this, but enough for now. Over to you, Peter--and anyone
else with a view on the subject.


--
Crawford Kilian   Communications Department   Capilano College
North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Rejection Slips
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:17:33 GMT
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies

>Given that the writer has sent a clean, properly formatted manuscript to an
>appropriate journal or magazine, and that the writer has done the research
>and *knows* the magazine publishes the style of writing he or she produces,
>there is no excuse for a magazine that accepts unsolicited submissions
>to insult a writer's efforts in this way.

>--
>Brent Jones, Lead Tech. Editor, U S WEST IT, bjones@denitqm.uswest.com
>"of beautiful weeds that cannot hide from the farmer and helplessly have 
>to watch the shadow of his simian stoop leave mangled flowers in its wake, 
>as the monstrous darkness approaches."--V. Nabokov _Signs and Symbols_

I very much agree, but I have to say something in defense of rejection
slips in general.  When I first started reading fiction for the 
_Akwe:kon Journal_, I responded to all submissions with a 
note explaining why the story or poem, in my view, was not for
our journal. Usually the call was easy: lack of a plot, lack of 
clear imagery in poems, and so forth.  By the tone of some of the 
responses I received, however, I soon discovered that this method was far 
too personal, and that a more general rejection made the process
much less painful for everyone involved.

Mike

==========================
Michael Wilson
idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
==========================
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Subject: Re: Idea Collecting Software?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:59:02 GMT

sprague@nihal.NoSubdomain.NoDomain  writes:

>Someone mentioned in the near past a software package called Memory
>Mate.  I'd like to know more about the package.  It isn't easy to find
>and I'd like to know more before I order it.

>Or, are there any other other software packages that are made for
>collecting ideas.  I have many tidbits that I'd like to characterize
>by topic or date or something to review a list of relevant ideas. 
>Searching through pages of ideas that aren't organized doesn't seem
>right when I have a 386 sitting at my desk. 

>Any help would be appreciated.

>Mary Ann

Hello Mary Ann,

About a year ago, I went looking through the shareware lists for
idea sorting programs.   As I recall, I found two: one for IBMs
and one for Macs.  The only way I could know the names of these
programs is to go back and check through the entire lists, which
you might go ahead and do yourself.  The IBM site which had the
program is at wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (FTP to get there).  Download
the list from the pd1:<msdos.filedocs> called simibm.zip.  The program
itself will probably be in the pd1:<msdos.education> directory, but
I'm not sure about that.  If you are not familiar with downloading
from these sites, read the documentation about it or send mail. I'll
be glad to give you the details.  (One hint: when you are logged
on to Simtel, type TENEX to get the proper downloading bitstream.)

Mike

==========================
Michael Wilson
idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
==========================
From: dprezios@ep.ieee.org (D Preziosi)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Rhetorical question
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:20:11 GMT
Reply-To: dprezios@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY


In article 18736@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu, jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan) writes:
> In article <6819@npri6.npri.com>, eric@npri6.npri.com (Eric Williams) writes:
> |> (I'm surprised there's no group devoted to rhetoric... Maybe we
> |> don't get it. Maybe *I* don't get it. Oh, well...)
> |> 
> |> Does anyone out there know of a rhetorical term (or maybe a logical
> |> one) for a statement that may be interpreted two different ways,
> |> with the result being the same basic meaning? For instance, a
> |> sign reads:
> |> 
> |> 	"No smoking section inside."
> |> 
> 
> Try "double entendre".


Double entendre? A double entrendre is composed specifically for the purpose
of punning, with a sub- or secondary meaning that is usually ironic or dirty.
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com (Len Olszewski)
Subject: Re: Request for a new word (or maybe a neologism)
Originator: saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:51:26 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <28855@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Roth) writes:
|> What do YOU call e-mail correspondence ?
|>
|> "Talk" is certainly incorrect.
|> "Writing" doesn't seem to fit.
|> "e-mailing" doesn't have the right ring.
|> "Networking" applies in other areas.
|>
|> "Flaming" describes a certain kind of correspondence, but I'm looking
|> for a word that describes civilized discourse.
|>
|> So _what_, already ?
|>

It's "online". I get in touch with you online, you reply online; one of 
us keeps a summary of our online correspondence, and so forth. Posting 
to a newsgroup qualifies as online communication, as does email.

|> (winners will be notified by e-mail. you need not be present to win)
|>

Good; online notification. Hey, if you disagree, let me know online, 
would you?

|> regards, pete
|> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
|> Peter N Roth      roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil
|> Do what you can with what you have where you are. - D L Moody.

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|Len Olszewski, Technical Writer| "I may be banal, but I'm not        |
|saslpo@unx.sas.com             |  juvenile." - Yours Truly           |
|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Opinions this ludicrous are mine. Reasonable opinions will cost you.|
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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:38:35 GMT

In article <fdyA026c2f6R01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec22.224716.8245@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
|> 
|> >Split infinitives like "...effort to clearly express my ideas..." 
|> >notwithstanding :-)
|> 
|> One theory that I've heard proposed as to why English does not allow
|> split infinitives is that Latin does not allow split infinitives, and
|> many of our verbs are taken from Latin. 

Allow?  Are there grammar police lurking in the woodwork?  Grammar
is not jurisprudence.

bob
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Publisher lists
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:34:28 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I can send address information regarding journals:

1)  33 journals that accept poetry, from MLA serials directory
2)  77 journals that accept lesbigay materials
3)  65 journals that accept religious materials (possibly open to LBG subjects)

Send me private e-mail with one of the following SUBJ lines if you wish to
request from among these:

   Subject lines for private e-mail:

   MLA periodicals list        
   Lesbigay periodicals list
   Religious periodicals list
   All three periodicals lists

If you use SISSY SOFTWARE FOR WRITERS, I can send the materials to you in the
format readable by that program.   If so, add "SISSY" to the end of your 
subject line.  Otherwise, these will come in standard ascii format as four
lines of address. 

Please indicate the list on which you spotted this announcement!

Best wishes.

lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu


-- 
  ==========================================================================
  Louie Crew, Academic Foundations Department, Rutgers University, NWK 07102
  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                   Preferred:  P. O. Box 30, Newark, NJ 07101
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:13:08 GMT

Bob Jernigan expresses surprise that Latin does not allow split infinitives,
and asks whether grammar police are lurking in the woodwork...sad proof that
we should have kept Latin in the curriculum, so Bob and others would have
learned that Latin infinitives are single words, just as they are in French
and Spanish, so you don't need "grammar cops" any more than you need gravity
cops.

While many of our verbs come from Latin (often via French), the rule against
split infinitives appears to have been a matter of slavish obedience to the
forms of a foreign language. A sensitive stylist will split an infinitive
like kindling if it helps the rhythm and flow of the sentence, or keep the
"to" and the verb together for the same reason.


--
Crawford Kilian   Communications Department   Capilano College
North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca
From: mbk@netcom.com (Miles Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Freelance writers??
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.033128.1@adcalc.fnal.gov> linden@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
>I am thinking of trying to do some freelance writing.
>Mainly non-fiction stuff.
>I don't have any expeirence in writing except for the basic college
>English classes and the dozen term papers I had to do.
>The nerby community college is offering a class in writing.
>I was thinking of taking it.
>I was hoping to see more action on this net on the subject
>of freelance writing. So far I;ve been disapointed.
>Any comments out there.

Well, sorry I haven't been in here alot lately - it's end-of-year
and that always seem to be bectic!

My background: I have a day job that pays the rent, and I write
in the evenings and weekends alot. I have a column in each of
two computer-related magazines, and have pubished one book so far.
I'm planning on moving into writing full-time over the coming
few years, because I think in a less-expensive (and crowded)
area than the SF Bay I can make a decent living writing and
still have time left over for the family I hope to have found
by then.

My advice for people who want to freelance: WRITE.

(I didn't want to steal the 'Just Do It' since my legal budget
doesn't permit any lawsuits this year!)

The best way to become a freelance writer is to write. There
are a number of good books about writing, and if you haven't 
the slightest about getting started, go to your local library
or bookstore and browse. 

Then identify the publications you like to read, the subjects
you know about and want to write about, and start sending letters
and calling editors. The advice given about local papers and such is
good... start in a small pond. On the other hand, don't let your lack of
'professional publications' keep you from bootstraping into the 
field.

Yes, take writing courses. Yes, be sure you can write fairly
well and that your writing can be understood. Yes, even use
a grammar checker in your word processor to make sure you
are not using passive voice too much, and are not writing
incomplete.

(see?)

But my main advice is to get out and start writing. Write
magazines and get their editorial calander and author's
guidelines; follow up with calls to editors, introducing
yourself and making contact. If you are lucky, one or more of
them will have a need for something "real quick" and you
are in. 

And keep talking to friends - you'll be surprised how many
editors know people! And good luck!

Miles
From: roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Roth)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Request for a new word (or maybe a neologism)
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:04:58 GMT
Reply-To: roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Roth)
Organization: The David Taylor Model Basin

What do YOU call e-mail correspondence ?

"Talk" is certainly incorrect.
"Writing" doesn't seem to fit.
"e-mailing" doesn't have the right ring.
"Networking" applies in other areas.

"Flaming" describes a certain kind of correspondence, but I'm looking
for a word that describes civilized discourse.

So _what_, already ?

(winners will be notified by e-mail. you need not be present to win)

regards, pete
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Peter N Roth      roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Do what you can with what you have where you are. - D L Moody.
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: Request for a new word (or maybe a neologism)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:02:39 GMT

roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Roth) writes:

>What do YOU call e-mail correspondence ?

>"Networking" applies in other areas.

you're not wrong.  A mate of mine, who lectures in computer networking,
was suckered into going to a "networking meeting"  It turned out to be
an Amway get together.  Bad downer.

OBwriting:  "I read the first three pages as a favour to you.  It got
		better after that"  --  a friend.

Fraser.
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.010603.15978@aurora.dar.csiro.au> ljw@dar.csiro.au (WATERMAN Linda) writes:
>A writer cannot flourish, but for the existence of readers. Whether she writes
>to produce a best seller, or writes to produce an art work, her work is
>worthless if it cannot be read. Many writers are afraid of grammar,

I think Linda makes some very good points.  Employers/
publishers/professors seldom wish to look beyond a mess
of poorly crafted work to find that which may or may not
be worth reading.  As a neophyte writer, I used to find this frustrating;
however, now that I do a fair amount of editing myself, I
don't even bother to *look* at text that is riddled with common
careless errors.

I think it's prudent to take any editing on your page very
seriously, and strive to never make the same mistake twice.

Tracy
From: arc2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (AMY CHARLES)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: MFA fiction workshops
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:00:24 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Anyone out there done an MFA program?  If so, where, and what was your take on
it?  Helpful?  How?  Worth the time and cash?  Thanks -- Amy Charles
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Peter_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Wilson)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:48:45 GMT

Yes, Crawford, as Miss Piggy would say, c'est moi, your neighbor in Deep Cove
-- the literary and scenic hotspot of North Vancouver. And I am honored that
*you're* honored.

What prompted me to break my silence as a two-month lurker here was the fact
that the topic of grammar (or lack of knowledge of grammar) is one that
pushes a lot of buttons for me. Once upon a time (back when the world was
young), I hated grammar. I hated learning about nouns, pronouns, verbs,
adverbs, infinitives (and the non-splitting thereof) and all those other
bitty things that made English too much like coming to grips with long
division. All I wanted to do then was to write and express myself. I learned
to diagram sentences only because fanatically dedicated teachers forced me
into it.

But now, when to be called upon to name the parts of speech would likely
cause me to start bleeding from the ears, I *do* have a subconscious
(sometimes even eerie) underpinning of knowledge. This helps me, I think, to
write to be understood and even to write breaking the rules, using incomplete
sentences (Like this.) and spewing brackets all over the place (Like this.)
when I feel like it.

My daughter (who attends your esteemed institute of higher learning,
Crawford) has had to wait to take English 100 before getting a grip on her
writing skills. She's a bright kid with good marks and lots of talent, but
until this year her sentences were more like rumors of sentences than the
real thing. I blame this on a school system that emphasizes creativity and
teaches grammar as, at best, an afterthought.

Okay, that's it. End of rant. Back to lurking.

Peter Wilson
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Grammar
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:47:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services

In article <1992Dec22.212350.12902@stsci.edu> jwilliam@stsci.EDU (John Williams) writes:
>
>I agree with those who believe good grammar is important.  For me, the 
>purpose of writing is communication.  If I do not make the effort to clearly 
>express my ideas, the reader won't waste his time on what I have to say.
>Numerous readers have called me after reading one of my magazine 
>articles.  I've found they take great delight in nailing you when you've 
>made a mistake (grammatical or otherwise).

Split infinitives like "...effort to clearly express my ideas..." 
notwithstanding :-)

But seriously; I am fortunate in having been an 8th-grader who slaved away
diagramming sentences and, as a result, have been able to learn foreign
languages with much greater ease than my diagram-challenged contemporaries.

My copy of Warriner's is long gone, but the memories linger on...

Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
SysAdmin/SrTechWriter   | but to get in accord with them; they are 
Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
Email: horen@netcom.com |                     -- Sigmund Freud