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From: aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew N. Westmeyer)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:22:59 GMT
	<g91a2724.30.721579058@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I wanted to drop this subject, but you are so clueless that I am moved
with pity.  When Paul says (I believe an example is in ch7 of I or II
Cor) that homosexuals are damned, and that is what is literally says,
there is hardly room for interpretation.  It's really quite simple: 
that's what he said, and that's probably what he meant.  If you have
read some of my earlier posts, I have said that grad students in
theology often come up with some bizarre explanations of various
passages; such is their job, and occasionally they do shed some light. 
I hardly think that any recent scholarship could show that what Paul
meant was not what he said.  And also in my earlier posts, I was
attempting (apparently unsuccessfully) to condemn homosexuality in terms
of logic.  However, the original poster wanted this in terms of
Christianity, which I never responded to.  The argument for a Christian
is really quite simple:  the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, so it
is.  I was attempting to use reason because I assumed that the Christian
method of proof (ie, the Bible) is so blatant.  Sorry for the confusion.
 
     As for my unloving attitude as you put it, i try to love all
people, and homosexuals are no exception.  It is difficult to do, and
sometimes I err in my goal, but I like to think that I am trying. 
Although I may love a person, that does not necessarily mean that I
agree with what they are doing.  In this case, as in many others
including many heterosexual acts, I don't agree.  But nevertheless I try
to love.  On account of this love I try (eg, by posting to
netnews.alt.satanism) to help those who I feel have fallen off the
better path.  I am not however imposing religious beliefs, just a better
(in the eyes of ultimate reality) lifestyle.  They are as always free to
reject any of my suggestions.
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:13:10 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <wezu5HO00aw5EHAZZa@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Andrew N. Westmeyer" <aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Homosexuality is wrong.  This is an absolute (a bad word to some
> satanists), in other words, independant of one's religious affiliation. 
> By homosexuality, I mean homosexual BEHAVIOR, NOT ORIENTATION. 
> Psychologists today tell us that orientation may be genetic; thus it can
> not be the persons fault.  In this regard, homosexual orientation is no
> worse than having brown hair.  Activity is another story...

But _The Bible_ tells us that even to think of sinning is a sin. Would it
then be necessary that the homosexually oriented person abstain from all
homosexual thoughts? What qualifies as a homosexual thought?

--Semhaza
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From: g91a2724@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GJ ANDREWS)
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.043502.9602@cheshire.oxy.edu> dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes:
>From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)

>A couple questions for the christians who post here...all
>differences aside.

Great, I like questions and differences...


>1) Do you believe that God is against homosexuality?


Nope. 


>2) If not, does it ever bother you when people use God to
>support their anti-homosexual beliefs?


All the time. As much as when they use God to justify war, opression, sexual 
repression, anti-semitism, government policy, nationalism, sexism, age-ism,  
etc...


>3) Do you believe that AIDS was created for the express 
>purpose of punishing homosexuals?


That is ridiculous. If *anything*, AIDS is natures way of saying its had 
enough of us - like the dinosaurs. 

Most xians would disagree with me though, so I'm not 
representative. For interests sake I can help with a more systematic 
reasoning why I take this position.


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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus)
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:57:48 GMT
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From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!aw36+ Wed Nov 11 12:46:55 EST 1992
Article: 2634 of alt.satanism
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:25:42 -0500 
From: "Andrew N. Westmeyer" <aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: To all christians...
	<wezu5HO00aw5EHAZZa@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<Uf0_8J200iUxE_jKU1@andrew.cmu.edu>

Stephen Alan Sisson's post was utter piffle.  there is plenty wron with
the homosexual act.  First of all, I'm sure (I hope) that we all agree
that there is nothing wrong with pleasure, even in the sexual act.  Even
the Catholic Church has formally declared this.  The problem with the
homosexual act is that it denies the natural aspects of sex.  I know
that there are homosexual acts among animals, but there are other acts
among them which clearly indicate that they are apart from morality as
people are concerned.  So don't dodge the issue by using that appalingly
assinine argument.  One of the purposes of sex is to propagate.  This
cannot be done in the homosexual context.  Another aspect is the fact
that no matter how  you bend and twist, two penises will not enter each
other.  This denies sex as conventionally seen.  To deny reality is to
do an act of immorality.  Accept it.
Andrew


"Denies the natural aspects of sex"? Talk of utter piffle. Idiot.
On one hand you say there is nothing "wrong" with "pleasure even in the
sexual act" (gee thanx for nothing) Then on the other hand you say that
homosexuality is wrong because there can be no procreation, hence it
goes against nature. These are contracdictory statements.\
As far as one penis penetrating another, you my freshman freind are either
trying to be amusing, or sadly ignorant of what homosex involves.
"Denies sex" what kind of rubbish is that? Don't try to be psuedo intellectual
around here. There is no "conventional sex" other than that which exists in
your mind, and considering your comment on penis penetration, I would be
greatly interested in what your idea of "conventional sex" is.

-Misquamicus
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Re: The Rapture
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:23:35 GMT
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In article <92310.163419CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Oh gee...well Mark...Your theory now proves Locklin wrong about the big C
>coming to town...So I get to live past 2024,right guys..?

Er thats 2012 actually.

-Lupo (Pazuzu) the Butcher


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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:58:14 GMT

Why has this question even surfaced on this group?
Isnt this alt.satanism?
there is a christian network called soc.christianity.
I agree with bill.

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
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From: kelek@ais.org (Mike McDonald)
Subject: Re: Alt.Satanism FAQ version 2.1
Summary: Secondary & Lovecraftian Satanists
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:34:11 GMT



  Finally, a good explanation of what 'Satanism' is.  I've always
wondered about it, since Christians merely call it evil or
worship of Satan.  A couple comments, though:
  I don't believe 'Secondary Satanists' should be included as a
type of Satanist, which implies that anyone called a Satanist
is a Satanist.  I am a practitioner of Shamanism and involved
in role-playing games, but I don't fit into any of the definitions
of Satanism.
  Second, are there seriously 'Lovecraftian Satanists'?  The Lovecraftian
mythos and books are fictitious, made up, don't exist.  There is
currently an argument about this on alt.necromicon (misspelled)
and alt.horror.cthulhu that claim that there actually exist(ed) a
Necronomicon and other books used in HPL's stories, but the
Necronomicon has nothing to do with Lovecraft's stories or mythos,
and I expect the same from the other books.  There are several
rip-off 'Necronomicon's on the market that are good for a laugh.
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Why [esp. at Penn State]?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:29:55 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92316.143253WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> From my watching post, Penn State seems to be a fairly active place for
> satanism and for genuine religious questing overall.

From my vantage point, Penn State seems to be a haven for strangeness. Found
someone with the most asinine, annoying opinion in the world, which they feel
strangely compelled to share with you on alt.fan.lightbulbs? Bet they're from
Penn State.

> I've taught two
> courses at Hazleton touching on the topic, one a course on Bible as Lit
> (in which I assigned a lot of selections from _The Other Bible_ to let
> people know what they were missing), the other a survey on American witchcraft
> and occultism.  I came in concerned about getting lots of flames from fundies,
> unwanted local paper coverage, etc. etc., and was pleasantly surprised to find
> that the students were quite willing to curb their dogmas and take a look at
> the alternatives.  Maybe lingering anti-establishment feelings from the
> Quakers (who were noted, among other things, for "going naked as a sign")
> and the Amish/Mennonite communities, who may seem reactionary but are looking
> more and more like Al Gore these days (or is it vice versa?).  Plus
> pow-wowing, or folk witchcraft, is still *very* strong among the older
> generation, even among xians.
> 
> You could do worse than dabble in satanism at Penn State; there's always
> Notre Dame.

You know, Penn State seems so weird, I'd almost take you up on that, but I
don't think I could hack the tough coursework. That's why I'm applying to
transfer to University of Virginia instead :)

Actually, what astounds me is the idea of dabbling in Satanism in Louisville.
Satanism? A church, even? Excuse me, but I live in this city, I go to its lousy
college, I feel like Shaitan & I are the only two Satanists in the *state*. Can
you say "_Bible_ belt to the max"? Go figure.

--Semhaza
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From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Reply-To: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, FL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:59:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.043502.9602@cheshire.oxy.edu>,
dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes:
|>A couple questions for the christians who post here...all
|>differences aside.
|>
|>1) Do you believe that God is against homosexuality?
|>

If you believe in the Bible (which so few people on this newsgroup do), then
you can see that God condems the *act* of homosexuality.  

		Genesis     19:5  
		Leviticus   18:22  
		Leviticus   20:13
		Deuteronomy 22:5 
		Romans       1:27
		1 Corinth    6:9

Since I believe that the Bible is the *true* word of God (lets don't start this
debate again) then I too condem the *act of homosexuality*.  That is not
to say 
that we should condem homosexuals themselves.  'We all sin and fall
short of the 
glory of God' and I don't belive that any one sin is worse than any
another.  For
me to condem homosexuals and then turn around and commit a sin would
prove me to
be hypocritical.

|>2) If not, does it ever bother you when people use God to
|>support their anti-homosexual beliefs?
|>

God has been used as support for all types of *personnal* beliefs.  Wars have 
been started in His name, people have been condemned in His name, and people 
have been lead astray by non Christians (as well as those who have called
themselves Christian but were not) all by what they *thought* God was telling 
them to do.  

|>3) Do you believe that AIDS was created for the express 
|>purpose of punishing homosexuals?
|>

No, *I* (personnal belief) don't think that AIDS was put here to punish the
homosexuals.  There are too many heterosexuals that are contracting the virus
as well.  Whenever there has been widespread death caused by disease, it has
been attributed to God as the 'punishment of the Almighty'.  I don't believe 
this is how God does/will deliver his punishment.


My love to all of you in Christ Jesus, Amen.
                
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From: radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:27:12 GMT

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.041512.5423@meaddata.com>, king@meaddata.com (Mike King) writes:
>> I was wondering how many people(on this net) have actually taken part
>> in a satanic ritual? 
> 
> Yes, of course.
> 
>> If so, what was it for? 
> 
> It was for Satan, of course :)
> 
>> Just wondering...Thanks
> 
> You're welcome,
> 
> --Semhaza

Har har.

Next Question:  What exactly happened at this/these Satanic ritual(s)???

Wayne (the Anxious Puppy).
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Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:10:38 -0500 
From: "Andrew N. Westmeyer" <aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: To all christians...
	<1dpaouINNo93@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Hey guys,
     What's going down?  I have studied Greek and Roman culture
extensively, and am fluid in both Greek and Latin.  I have translated
much of the NT from the original Greek, so I'd like to make a little
comment concerning Paul's orientation.  He was straight.  When you
consider that the Bible is the most extensively criticized book in
existence, about which more has been written than any other book, it
figures that an occasional idea becomes popular which is largely
improbable.  Such is a case with that "camel through the eye of a
needle" story, for which a Jewish (?) scholar suggested wrongly that
Jesus was referring idiomaticly to a difficult pass.  Paul has made
several ambiguous statements; bible scholars devote their lives to
suggesting explanations to these.  It was a noble effort of whoever
suggested that Paul was gay, but it is incompatible with too many other
things he said.  
     Andrew

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus)
Subject: Re: Alt.Satanism FAQ version 2.1
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:37:19 GMT
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(Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap)

The FAQ seems to be ever improoving...

-Misquamicus
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:21:11 EST
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Questions
Distribution: na
 <1992Nov9.164848.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

I was present (with camera and tape recorder) for what was billed as a
satanic ceremony.  It was performed by a group of 18-year-old camp
counselors as a way of scaring the bejeezus out of a cabin full of
10-12-year-olds and making them behave.  Bleeding skulls, heavy breathing,
counselors outside throwing handfuls of rocks on the roof.  It really
did scare the kids, to the extent that the counselors had to postpone their
nightly pub crawl a good hour and a half to settle them down.  Plus (judging
from my observation) it didn't make the cabin noticably more obedient next
day.  Generally I suspect satanic ceremonies of this sort are overrated.
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.psu.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
"If I am the Devil's child, I will live then from the Devil.  The only right is
 what is after my constitution; the only wrong what is against it."
From: laposkymatth@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: I, Satan (or just a fan)
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:14:40 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Being the ignorant Child of the Corn that I am I was wondering if all this 
talk about Christ really matters to Satanists at all.  As far as I can tell 
Satanism is about the self and not any outside factors besides those that 
please the self and it's conscious offspring.  I don't know anything about 
psychology or Satanism for that matter and really only posted because I am 
lonely and want someone to mail me.  So please someone (preferrably an 
attractive female) mail me so I can be informed and feel wanted.
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism,ba.music,talk.philosophy.misc
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From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: Lupo's Next Victim
Reply-To: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, FL
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:43:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.045315.21779@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher) writes:
|>
|>In article <Bx78M5.HBI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> @expert.cc.purdue.edu
(adamsma@expert.cc.purdue.edu) writes:
|>>
|>>
|>>Dana,
|>>	
|>>I'm one of those  Christians.  I don't know why you are so driven to prove
|>>Jesus was not the Christ, but I want to encourage you to continue in your 
|>>quest.  Many Christians today became Christians because they set out to 
|>>prove Jesus was not who He says He was.
|>
|>Haw! thats a yuk! Since I have recently banished one of your number by 
|>utilizing the very book he claimed his religion was based on, 

I'm sorry, which one of US was banished?  I must have missed the funeral?



My love to all of you in Christ Jesus, Amem.

That one is for you Scott, and your friend Cthulhu, too!  :-)



                                                                             
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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus)
Subject: Re: Lupo
Keywords: Lupo
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:15:21 GMT
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In article <Nov.9.19.48.51.1992.25510@andromeda.rutgers.edu> graff@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eugene M Graff) writes:
>Who is Lupo anyway, and what in the hell do I care anyway?

Lupo is;

-Misquamicus

(.erac uoy yhw wonk ton od I)
From: CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: The Rapture
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:34:18 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Oh gee...well Mark...Your theory now proves Locklin wrong about the big C
coming to town...So I get to live past 2024,right guys..?

Actually, what do you think about it...not the bible, not someone elses
words....

meow? said the cat on the funny table that had a star on it...
From: montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: RE:One fine day at the pub...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 03:41:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery)
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PLEASE NOTE:  the following is not written by me, it is written by someone  
who is using my account.  Please do not flame me!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't know if any of you really know anything about Cthulhu and friends.   
That was a humorous little story, don't get me wrong, but I would like to  
make a few points clear:

  1: Yog Sothoth's appearence:  Yog Sothoth is a collection of slimy  
silver spheres that continually collide and reform.  He has no eyes to  
speak of, and any tentacles would not be tentacles in the ordinary sense,  
but rather made up of these spheres.  He also has a human form.

  2: Yog Sothoth is the Keeper of the Gate.  Anything touching him in his  
non-human form is instantly transported to another dimension.

  My copy of the Necronomicon doesn't mention Yog Sothoth.  This  
information is gleaned from thhe stories by the greatest god, H.P.  
Lovecraft.

                         Cthulhu ftagn,
                            Jason.

--
**************************************************************************
Jerry W. Montgomery II
Chemical Engineering Major; Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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