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From: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Comments concerning Toyota of Palo Alto?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:39:44 GMT
Reply-To: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Distribution: ba
Organization: KUFX 94.5 FM Stereo, San Jose, CA "The Fox"

In article <C0Lqo6.FGu@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>news@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (news) writes:
>:  We did have to go
>: through the usual 4-hour nonsense of walking out a time or two, getting
>: handed-off to another salesperson and then the closer before arriving
>: at the final price.  
>
I just spent 4 hours buying a 1993 Toyota Corrolla from Santa Cruz
Imports, but fortunately there was no handoff as you describe.  I think
that's very unaesthetic.  There were lots of gyrations, but the same
salesperson stayed to the very end. 

>I would never even consider buying a car from a dealer pulling
>'the usual 4 hour nonsense' on me. As long as people accept this kind
>treatment nothing will change. I have never spend more that 20-30 minutes
>buying or leasing a car. As soon as any dealer starts to give me the
>runaround I explain to them calmly that I will not tolerate any of their
>usual sales tactics and if they decide not to deal with me honestly
>and quickly I'm out of there.
>
This is really a matter of taste and temperament. It was totally fun
spending 4 hours haggling with the salesman, and I was ready for it
with all sorts of facts, figures, and car magazines I had collected.
Sure they played a few choreographed sales games, but so did I.  The
whole thing was almost theatrical.  I loved it and look forward to
doing it again - this is the market system at its best...   

>There are too many car dealerships and many will sell you a car as it
>should be sold - like any other damn product.
>
If you want to just walk in and pay the sticker price, any car
dealership will be glad to have your business - no hassles at all.
Personally, I routinely try to deal everywhere; those seemingly fixed
prices on "any other damn product" are often quite flexible and
arbitrary. 

At Fry's: "Those Laserjets are $100 less at Wolf; why is that??"
	  "I'm going to Price Club, these fax machines are overpriced."
	  Etc., etc., etc..    

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From: colleen@apple.com (Colleen Delgadillo)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Caterer Recommendation Needed
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:15:09 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: Apple Computer

Hello!

I am getting married in San Francisco on July 3rd and am of someone to
cater at my reception.   I have not decided on what type of food I would
like to have at the reception or whether I would like the dinner to be
seated or a buffet...so I am open to all recommendations.  If you have any
recommendations please let me know.  I would love to hear from you!

Thanks in advance!

Colleen Kelley Delgadillo 
DTS Hardware Chick
Email: colleen@apple.com 
Applelink: LEENIE
From: jeg@Apple.COM (Julian Gomez)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:19:29 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec30.210516.27444@smsc.sony.com> markc@smsc.sony.com (Mark Corscadden) writes:
" By the way, my company is South Bay Cablevision.  The service goes out
" completely at least once a month, it seems.  What would happen if Pac Bell
You haven't been paying attention, or maybe you have a day job. Their
average between service outages is more like ten days.

" South Bay's latest cute trick was to send out notices to *every* customer
" in Mountain View that their service was about to be cut off for failure
Yeh, I get those all the time, regardless of payment status.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: net.activity announcement
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:09:49 GMT


A bunch of us net.types will be gathering for an informal
get-together on January 16th.  Even though the discussion started
on ba.singles, it's not limited to singles only.  Any 
net.personalties are  certainly welcome to attend.  It's always
nice to be able to attach a face to the names we've been
reading for so long.

We have reserved the back room at Harry's Hofbrau in Mt. View.
The address is 399 West El Camino Real.  It's between Grant
and Castro on the west side of the El Camino.
Hours are between 6:00PM and 10:00PM.  Harry's features
great tasting low-budget bulky food and a full bar.

So if you need a fun activity that night, please plan on
showing up.  It's very informal (No name tags.), and it's 
always fun to see what all these people *really* look like.

I'd appreciate an RSVP so I can give Harry's a rough idea of
how many will be attending, but it's not necessary.





Newsgroups: ba.general
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:04:14 GMT

fred_s@netcom.com (Frederick Scott):
>You have
>to remember, a cable company is a regulated monopoly (which is why their
>rates have to be approved by public authorities, BTW) and has no competitors.

Cable television was deregulated under Reagan and has been running free
for many years.  The re-regulation bill passed only recently, and the FCC
has not yet had time to put the new regulation mechanisms into place.

w.
From: christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Chinese markets in Mountain View/Palo Alto area?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:12:40 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I just moved to the Mt. View/Palo Alto area and was wondering if there
are any Chinese markets in that area.  I usually go to Tin Tin (El
Camino and 85), but that is a little far for me now.  Please send
replies to christil@uts.amdahl.com.

Thanks.
--Christine


-- 

Christine Lee                           Amdahl Corp. 	
christil@long_island.uts.amdahl.com     Santa Clara, CA   

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   member of Congress.  But I repeat myself."
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From: wincor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: SAFEWAY AND LUCKY RECEIPTS----
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: wincor@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

I am the Apples for Students Coordinator at Hacienda Elementary School
in San Jose.  Our school is collecting both the Safeway and Lucky 
receipts for equipment.  We would be happy to have any extra receipts
you may have.  Please send me a E-Mail note with your phone number
and I will call you with my home address.  Our school is an environmental
science magent which can use all kinds of computer equipment, and this
is realisticly the only real way we can afford to get what we need.
We really appreciate anything you can help us with in the receipt collections.
You can send me mail at wincor@force.decnet.lmsc.lockheed.com


Thanks for your support,

Steve Wincor
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Subject: Re: Phone number to report cars spewing fumes?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:43:06 GMT

In article <1iv6vuINN3nl@fido.asd.sgi.com> jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman) writes:
>I remember hearing that a central number has been developed to
>call an complain about cars that spew fumes.  Anyone know that 
>number off hand?

1-800-EXHAUST

-- 
Linda V. Hill                           "Nakia", Hans Christian 33
Network Equipment Technologies          Email: linda@net.com
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Phone: (415) 780-5785
Redwood City, CA 94063 			Fax:   (415) 780-5001
From: dks@gallant.apple.com (dk smith)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Comments concerning Toyota of Palo Alto?
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:46:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <550130@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> mbuscho@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Michelle Buscho) writes:
>
>In 1984, when I was younger and more naive, I had the misfortune to visit
>Sunnyvale Toyota on El Camino in shopping for my first car.  What offends me

 [ remainder of big story of bad things that happened to good people 
   at Sunnyvale Toyota in *1984*  deleted]

In defense of them, the management has since changed.

I bought my 4Runner from them and I am very pleased with the deal
as well as the service. 

Buying a car seems to be a very salesman-dependent experience.

-dk
From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:36:20 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1993Jan6.171425.4177@netcom.com> wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner) writes:
>>We have looked into dumping our cable and going with satellite.
>>Has anyone else considered this? What are the downfalls (besides
>>initial price?).
>
>Most of the good channels are scrambled.  You'll have to either pay them
>for descrambler codes, or receive them illegally.
>

The satellite dish plus a $300.00 chip will get you *every* channel up
there.  HBO east & west, Showtime east & west, CNN, etc. etc. etc.... ad
infinitum.  The chip will descramble *all* the channels.  I should know,
my sister has one.  She even gets live NASA downlinks from the shuttle
when it is up.

What?  Oh, she lives in Mexico.  :)

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:44:53 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts) wrote: 
->Has anyone else considered this? What are the downfalls (besides
->initial price?).

real estate to house the satellite dish, for one ... apartment
dwellers often don't have the right to mount such things on their
building.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Phone number to report cars spewing fumes?
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:55:29 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhambra.pa.dec.com

In article <1iv6vuINN3nl@fido.asd.sgi.com>, jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman) writes:
|> I remember hearing that a central number has been developed to
|> call an complain about cars that spew fumes.  Anyone know that 
|> number off hand?

In the SF bay area, call 1-800-EXHAUST.  You need a license
plate number, description of the car, and location where
you witnessed the excessive fumes.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: henry@netcom.com (Henry Polard)
Subject: INFO WANTED: Honda repair shops
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:47:16 GMT

Folks -
Where can I get the brakes of my '90 Honda repaired near Page Mill
and El Camino in Palo Alto and get good honest work at a reasonable price? 
Are there any Honda dealers who do decent work 
but are not exorbitant?
I'll be happy to post a summary of email responses.

Thank you in advance.

Henry Polard | Abscess makes the fart go Honda!
From: mikef@informix.com (Mike Foreman)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Comments concerning Toyota of Palo Alto?
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:17:40 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan) writes:

>In article <415@biosys.apldbio.COM> ldow@apldbio.com (Leslie Johnston-Dow) writes:
>>I am considering the purchase of a Toyota 4Runner from Toyota of Palo Alto.
>>Any comments? Does anyone have any experiences with this or
>>any other Toyota Dealers? 

I bought a Previa last May and dealt with several dealers. I even sent
out a letter to several and asked them to bid. Several did, and with
good deals. Toyota of Palo Alto responded and quoted a good price. I
got the best deal from Piercy in San Jose, without any haggeling. I
have dealt with parts and service at Toyota of PA nad they were nice.
The fleet manager at Piercy recommended them highly (pretty unusual
for a competitor).

As for the slime bags at Toyota of Sunnyvale, they wouldn't quote in
the mail, they made me wait an hour and then take a test ride (dealer
policy they said), then told me the best price was on the sticker. I
have also been told that their service department is incompetent.
-- 
Mike Foreman, Informix Software - Servers & Connectivity Development
4100 Bohannon Drive, Menlo Park, CA 94025     -   mikef@informix.com
From: chancock@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: CoHousing presentation, 1/14/93
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:27:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1324000005:000:779
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!chancock    Jan 11 11:27:00 1993


From: <chancock>
Subject: CoHousing presentation, 1/14/93

There will be a slide presentation on CoHousing on Thursday, Jan. 14
at 7:00 pm, at The CoHousing Company offices, 1250 Addison #113 (at
Bonar) in Berkeley.  Cost is $5.00.  To RSVP or for more information,
call (510) 549-9980.

What is CoHousing?  CoHousing communities are a new housing type which
cluster private, self-sufficient dwellings around a "common house" with
shared facilities.  Residents participate in the design and ongoing
management of their community.

There will be a followup meeting of people interested in establishing
CoHousing in San Francisco.  This meeting will be Sunday, Jan. 17,
3-5 pm.  Call Charlie at (415) 221-8342 for San Francisco location,
or send e-mail to: <chancock@igc.apc.org>.
From: marki@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Mark Ikemoto)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:06:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Can I eat the olives from our tree?
Organization: HP CCSY, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: ba.general

> I can't believe that you wrote all that.  I'm astonished.  Perhaps amazed, too

Drugs can make people do this.  Either that........or eating a bad olive.



Mark
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:44:05 GMT
Subject: Re: pressure those nasty Bay Area cable companies!
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: ba.general

> 
> By the way, my company is South Bay Cablevision.  The service goes out
> completely at least once a month, it seems. 

If only I had your problems. I live in Half Moon Bay, and in the past 3
weeks, our cable has gone out completely almost every day, oftentimes
for an hour or more. When you call them to complain, they really don't
seem to give a damn.  And a few months ago, we were hit with a + %40
increase in basic service.

I got so mad last Sunday when it went out again that I pulled the check
to the cable company out of my mailbox and ripped it up. The satisfaction
is worth the $5 late fee that I'll have to pay them next month.

Tom

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Need Advise on one hassle deal at Capitol Honda
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:06:58 GMT

In article 1598@ios.Convergent.COM, sanh@ios.Convergent.COM (Son Anh) writes:
[ Capitol Honda doing a bait and switch. ]
>
>    I don't think it sounds right at all, and we want to complain to Consumer
>    Affairs.  We also  want to hear any advise from you so that I can solve 
>    this problem legally or peafully. Some questions that I want to know:
>
>    - How should I start from here?

Call the Dept. of Consumer Affairs in San Jose.  They will take the information
and file a complaint.  I expect that when Capitol Honda is contacted by them, 
you will find that the signed contract which they entered into will be honored.

>
>    - Is it worth to file a law suit? if yes, will we win?

No value in a law suit.  The damages are minimal.  You can sue to enforce the
contract, but you can't get punitive damages, since you probably can't prove
malice.  



---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: patf@silvlis.com (Pat Fitzgibbons)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Which are the dry months in northern California ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:50:22 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Silvar-Lisco


  My brother and my father are coming 
out to play a round of golf at Pebble
Beach golf links. This is a once in a 
lifetime chance so they would prefer 
not to be rained on. Can anyone tell
me which months of the year are likely 
not to have rain ? 
--
 O O O  Patrick Fitzgibbons   /\            |         These are my opinions.
  \ /    patf@silvlis.com    /--\  Sunnyvale ) --     Any agreement with my 
   X                      /\/    \   CA     |         company is purely     
  / \        in          /  \     \                   coincidental.
From: sundar@risky.Convergent.COM (Sundar Gopala)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Athletics schools
Keywords: sports
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:51:47 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Unisys Unix Systems Group, San Jose, CA


This posting is from a friend of mine. Pl. reply at the address given
below.

*******************************************************************

    I am looking for a athletics training school or program within the U.S. 
Please let me know where I can find one.  Name and location (if not the full
address) is fine.

sadasivam_ramakrishnan%ngen-ss@network.convergent.com
*******************************************************************
From: dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Auto work recommendation?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:14:53 GMT
Reply-To: dboyd@informix.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


Hi there,

I have an '82 LN7, that's a Mercury Lynx. There is a leak in the gas tank and  
I'd like to know if you can recommend anyone to fix it for me. The gas tank  
sits in the center of the car so it would need to go up on a lift.

The car is now in Menlo Park, I live in Mountain View, so anywhere between  
those two places would be great. Any place cheap? I'm really broke.

Thanks in advance for any advice (advise?).

Diana

dboyd@informix.com

My incoming feed for news is not so great, so could you please try e-mail?
From: slambert@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Ski/road conditions in N. Lake Tahoe?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:42:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: ski, snow, fun, Lake Tahoe


I am curious about ski condition up at Lake Tahoe.  I have planned a ski trip
with a large number of people for next week and need some info.

Obviously there is plenty of snow!  But what slopes have the most open lifts
and groomed trails, particularly in the North Lake area (Squaw, Alpine, etc.)
and at Sugar Bowl (we plan to go there on the way up)?  What good is a lot of
snow if you can't ski on it or get to the top of the mountain?!!

What condition are the roads in and how long can I expect it to take to drive
up there (we'll be going Tues morning, so I don't think traffic will be too 
much of a problem)?  We are staying in Tahoe City.  Obviously, chains are a
must.

Are the stores stocked or should I buy food here before I leave?  I've 
heard that trucks are having a hard time getting to the supermarkets, hence 
their supplies are limited (especially perishables).

Please e-mail responsed to the the account(s) below.

Thanks in advance,
Steve
 
-- 
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Dept. of Chem. Eng. | for i = 1,2,...,c   | lambert@matahari.cchem.berkeley.edu
U.C. Berkeley       | at constant T and P | slambert@cmsa.berkeley.edu
(510) 642-3928      | (J.W. Gibbs, 1886)  | slambert@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: (John Arnold)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Firewood for Sale??
Followup-To: ba.general
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lat1mac40.cchem.berkeley.edu

Could anyone recommend a good place to buy firewood in Berkeley?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Electrician wanted in Berkeley
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:50:06 GMT

I'm seriously considering rewiring my garage.  Anyone have recommendations
for electricians in Berkeley?  (Or, failing that, know of people to avoid?)

-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Comments concerning Toyota of Palo Alto?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA

In article <C0Lqo6.FGu@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>
>I would never even consider buying a car from a dealer pulling
>'the usual 4 hour nonsense' on me. As long as people accept this kind
>treatment nothing will change. I have never spend more that 20-30 minutes
>buying or leasing a car. As soon as any dealer starts to give me the
>runaround I explain to them calmly that I will not tolerate any of their
>usual sales tactics and if they decide not to deal with me honestly
>and quickly I'm out of there.
>
I agree.  I recently bought a Ford Ranger.  It took me about 1 hour and
I paid dealers cost +$200 for a Ranger with extended cab, A/C, 3.0 liter
FI V6.  I was also leaving on a 1 month vacation 5 days after purchasing
the vehicle.  They did not have one in stock with an A/C unit and none
of the Ford dealers in the area had a factory A/C unit to install.  The
salesman found a factory unit in Sacramento at an after-market place.  He
had it fed-exed to him and then arranged to have it installed.  
After returning from vacation I started pricing the equivalent truck at 
other dealers and they all wanted 3500-4000 more than I had payed for mine.
The salesman has been selling Fords in the bay area for 30 years now and
isn't one of the walk-the-lot type of sales-slime.  He will make an appointment
with you and when you show up he will have everything ready for you to test
drive the vehicle of your choice. 
I was also promised 4.8% financing (I was going to pay cash but figured making
the payments and investing the money elswhere I would come out ahead in the
long run) and the finance department screwed up the paperwork charging me 15%
interest.  When I received the payment book and realized what happened I took
everything back to Ken and he straightened everything out even though this 
was 2 months after the deal closed.  I have several friends who have purchased
Fords through Ken and he will stand behind them.  If there is any problem he
will personally see that it is corrected.
If you are considering buying a Ford product, drop me a line or give me a call
and I will give you Kenny's number and call him to let him know you will be
contacting him.

Jim Warford -- jimiii@nimbus.com
408-727-5445


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