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From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun ))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Randonneur's
Keywords: To all you "ultra-cycling " types out there........
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:57:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Dec12.145733.13876
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:

>Many of
>the longtime rec.bike readers are probably sick-to-death of hearing me
>jabber on and on about it, so I'll spare them now. 

Quite the contrary!  I would be sick-to-death if you STOPPED posting them!
(Still waiting to hear the details on #12!)


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From: aaronson@wk113.nas.nasa.gov (Philip G. Aaronson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: RIDE STORY: Monte Bello Ridge, Russian Ridge, and Alpine Rd. (12/5/92)
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:07:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1769@esl.ESL.COM>, drm@esl.com (Don McGregor) writes:
|> In article <1g6ehjINNfs7@fido.asd.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan  
|> McNaughton) writes:
|> > Bill, it's high time for you to get a mountain bike..Those trails could
|> > chew up and spit out a thin tire road bike.  Jeez, what a lunatic ;)
|> 
|> Nah.  I've been up over Montebello and down to Page Mill a bunch of times  
|> on my skinny-tire road bike, in 42 X 21 gears to boot.  It's no big deal.   
|> Actually rather fun.  
|> 

Two weekends ago I remember seeing a guy on a road bike comming down
from Skyline. We were on that steep trail which hooks into Alpine just
after the beginning of the "no parking zone". (Excuse me if this leaks
out of the bay area.)

I tried to not stare at him like he was nuts but I think I did anyway. 
If it was you, sorry 'bout that! How many other confused roadies can 
there be out there? :)

Lata,
Red
From: lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Randonneur's
Keywords: To all you "ultra-cycling " types out there........
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:50:42 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

>|> What is the phone number and/or address of the UltraMarathon Cycling Assoc.
>|> or whatever it's called.  I need a list of ultra events in the U.S. for 1993.
>
>   And the number is: 818-794-3119

Any chance of getting a list of events posted to the net? I saved the
number but don't want to waste the UltraMarathon Cycling telephone bandwidth
requesting redundant information.

lars
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From: cyclone@netcom.com (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: RAGBRAI request
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:14:10 GMT

hagbard@gagme.chi.il.us (Brian W. Dunn) writes:

>I'm looking for an address to write to for info regarding
> RAGBRAI in Iowa...

>actually I would settle for the info itself...

The Des Moines Register usually publicizes the route in the last Sunday
newspaper in February, and includes registration information.  You can also
call the Register (area code 515, in Des Moines) and ask for RAGBRAI or Lois
Peterson to be put on the mailing list.

I'd be happy to answer any general questions, also.

Bill
From: jcb@hood (Jim Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: RIDE STORY: Monte Bello Ridge, Russian Ridge, and Alpine Rd. (12/5/92)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:19:35 GMT
	<1g6ehjINNfs7@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Reply-To: jcb@bachelor
Return-Path: <jcb@hood>
To: postnews@lupine



So Bill -- what eventually happened with your keys? Did you find them?
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From: jerryk@shearson.com (Jerry Keselman)
Subject: Re: Any Mtn. Bike rides in NJ
Reply-To: jerryk@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:36:05 GMT

In article 9672@athos.rutgers.edu, giovanne@athos.rutgers.edu (Giovanne) writes:
> OK, it ain't Colorado, but are there any rides for novice Mtn. Bikers
> in central NJ?  I have been riding around some local parks with some
> dirt trails but I'd like to get into some more serious off-road
> action.
> 
> Steve Giovannetti
> email: {steve@nj.pdc.com | giovanne@rutgers.edu}


The best place in central NJ is the Watchung Reservation in Mountainside, N.J.
To get there from Rutgers (which is where you posted from) take Rt 287 North
to Rt 22 East to the Murray Hill exit.

			Jerry


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From: giovanne@athos.rutgers.edu (Giovanne)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Any Mtn. Bike rides in NJ
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:00:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

OK, it ain't Colorado, but are there any rides for novice Mtn. Bikers
in central NJ?  I have been riding around some local parks with some
dirt trails but I'd like to get into some more serious off-road
action.

Steve Giovannetti
email: {steve@nj.pdc.com | giovanne@rutgers.edu}
From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Randonneur's
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 12:54:31 EST(-0500)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
Reply-To: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
> Loosely translated randonneur means adventurer

That's a very loose, and rather romantic, translation.  Based on available
reference materials, I would say that an adventurer is often a randonneur,
but that the word randonneur implies nothing about adventure.

(All accents omitted in the following due to the anglocentric network.)

Randonneur is based on randonnee (-eur means "one who"), which simply means a
long uninterrupted walk.  And by extension, naturally, a long uninterrupted
ride.  This actually fits the nature of the event much better, as it
emphasizes the length and the minimal interruptions while not implying a
race.

For those who want the gory (and I mean it; stop now if you don't like blood)
details, the Petit Larousse says

  randon: mouvement impetueux.

  randonnee (de randon): circuit que fait un animal autour de l'endroit ou
  il a ete lance par le chasseur.  Familier: marche longue et ininterrompue.

Thus randonnee is originally the path of the impetuous movements of an animal
after being shot by a hunter ... but familiarly, a long uninterrupted walk.

As I say, this is based on reference materials.  If a native speaker of French
contests my interpretation, I will certainly concede.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.resun.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.resun.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
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From: fssteve@fuso.lerc.nasa.gov (Steven Nash)
Subject: Re: Rides in Oregon?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:50:57


   It just seems odd that there aren't more postings coming from the
   Northwest. 


Everyone is out riding!
From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Coast to Coast
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:47:26 EST(-0500)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
Reply-To: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

<MRS9@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Is the Bikecentennial route a good one?

Note that there are now three (count them, 3) Bikecentennial coast-to-coast
routes -- the "old standard", the Northern Tier, and the new southern route.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.resun.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.resun.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
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From: hagbard@gagme.chi.il.us (Brian W. Dunn)
Subject: RAGBRAI request
Originator: hagbard@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:29:42 GMT

I'm looking for an address to write to for info regarding
 RAGBRAI in Iowa...
-hagbard

actually I would settle for the info itself...

-- 
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Randonneur's
Keywords: To all you "ultra-cycling " types out there........
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:21:51 GMT

lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson) writes:
>>|> What is the phone number and/or address of the UltraMarathon Cycling Assoc.
>>|> or whatever it's called.  I need a list of ultra events in the U.S. for 1993.
>>   And the number is: 818-794-3119
>Any chance of getting a list of events posted to the net? I saved the
>number but don't want to waste the UltraMarathon Cycling telephone bandwidth
>requesting redundant information.

I called today and gor Mike Shermer to send me all the scoopus.  (I think his
first name is Mike).  I`ll post it to the net when it arrives.
-Terry
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From: rbc!al (Al Davis)
Subject: Re: Coast to Coast
Reply-To: davis@ee.rochester.edu
Organization: Huh?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:54:33 GMT

In article <92349.111159MRS9@psuvm.psu.edu> MRS9@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> Does anybody have any ideas on the best cross-country route?
> The most important considerations are traffic, scenery and
> pleasant surroundings, and challenge.
> Is the Bikecentennial route a good one?

There are hundreds of good routes.

I have been think about this (maybe in a couple of years...)

California (Santa Cruz Mts, Yosemite, Kings Canyon, Death Valley)
Nevada (Lake Mead)
Utah (Zion, Bryce, Arches, Canyonlands)
Colorado (Mesa Verde)
New Mexico (near Colorado border)
Oklahoma
Arkansas (Ozarks)
Tennessee (Great Smoky Mts)
North Carolina (G.S.M., Blue Ridge)
Virginia (Blue Ridge, Shenandoah, Potomac River, Ferry across Chesapeake)


well....  something like that.
This is NOT the easiest route!

Don't mail.   POST!  I want to read about it, too.

al.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: milo!al (Al Davis)
Subject: Stay at inn for National Rally and Gear
Reply-To: davis@ee.rochester.edu
Organization: Huh?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:40:09 GMT

Bed  &  breakfast accommodations, as well as a full-service inn, are
available for both the LAW National Rally in Kutztown, PA., July 4th
Weekend, and the GEAR rally in Geneseo, N.Y., July 29th - August 1st.
Let's  get a group  together!   For  info call Paul Linkoff at ( 718 )   
672-9186 or write to 52-40 39th Drive, Apt. 5-H, Woodside, Queens, N.Y.
11377.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Mtn. Biking Near Las Vegas
From: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Date: 8 Dec 92 08:48:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu


   Anybody know of any good mtn. bike rides in the Las Vegas area? I'll be  
visiting the area for about 1 week during the Christmas holidays. The more
difficult -- the better. Also, I wouldn't mind a riding partner (it's safer
than riding alone).
    I'll only be there for about 1 week and if it's a good spot you want to
keep secret, I won't tell anyone about it. I am very conscious of the 
environment and always try to minimize my impact. I even help build trails 
(for some reason I'm compelled to tell you all this so you don't think I'm
an inconsiderate irresponsible mtn. biker). Thanks for the info.

Please respond to KANESBITT@POPPY.ENGR.UCDAVIS.EDU
Please, no responses after 12/22. Thanks.
 
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Randonneur's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:06:59 GMT
Keywords: To all you "ultra-cycling " types out there........

What is the phone number and/or address of the UltraMarathon Cycling Assoc.
or whatever it's called.  I need a list of ultra events in the U.S. for 1993.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Rides in Oregon?
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:58:55 GMT

In <1770@esl.ESL.COM> drm@esl.com (Don McGregor) writes:

>In article <FSSTEVE.92Dec13145057@fuso.lerc.nasa.gov>  
>fssteve@fuso.lerc.nasa.gov (Steven Nash) writes:
>> 
>>    It just seems odd that there aren't more postings coming from the
>>    Northwest. 
>> 
>> Everyone is out riding!

>Or repacking their bearings.

Nah, out riding.  Bearings don't need repacking nearly as often
as people think, at least not if you use sealed mechanisms.
Every 5,000-10,000 miles ought to be enough for just mild on/off
road in the rain.  (Now, if your racing hubs deleted the seals
for weight and drag reductions, I suppose you'll be a lot busier
with the grease, unless you just use an oil hole in the middle of
the hub.)
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From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: Any Mtn. Bike rides in NJ
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75501360401433E@mac12.beardsley.swarthmore.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:52:22 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:47:35 GMT

>In article <Dec.14.21.00.55.1992.9672@athos.rutgers.edu>,
giovanne@athos.rutgers
>.edu (Giovanne) writes:
>>OK, it ain't Colorado, but are there any rides for novice Mtn. Bikers
>>in central NJ?  I have been riding around some local parks with some
>>dirt trails but I'd like to get into some more serious off-road
>>action.
>>

I asked the same question some time ago and received an excellent reply
from one Ed Rosier (erosier@gandalf.ca).  This is the information that he
sent me on rides in NJ:

- Delware & Raritan Canal Rail Trail, NJ.  It is mostly a packed cinder
trail.
  It varies in width with most of it being twin track.  It streachs from
just
  north of Trenton to Frenchtown (about 25-30 miles).  Access is from Rt.
29
  with parking at many loctions along it.

- Camden County College, NJ.  These trails are very motocross like with
tight
  switchbacks.  The trails are sand and dirt with some wet areas.  The
area
  is not very large but the tight trails (very mazelike) provide for a
good
  ride.

- Pine Barrens, NJ.  The Pine Barrens are a maze of fire roads and fire
breaks.
  There are also several color coded trails the cut through the Pines. 
The
  surface varies from hardpack to soft sand.  On the trails the surface is
  often covered with pine needels.  The trail is usually single track but
  widens to twintrack in several places.  It has its fair share of
branchs to
  hit you, brush to smack your legs, and logs to ride over.  There is one
trail
  call the Batona Trail that streches for about 50 miles.  A good
starting place
  is the north end.  Take Rt. 70 East to the Four Mile Circle (next
circle past
  Rt. 206).  At the circle go about 3/4 the way around (4th road, last
before
  going back to Rt. 70 West).  Take this road about 3 miles.  There will
be an
  abandoned resturtant on your left called Ong's Hat.  You can park here.
 The
  trail starts on the other side of the road, it is designated by pink
marks on
  the trees.  A double pink mark means that the trail is turning, it may
or may
  not be intersecting another trail.The Botona Trail runs through Lebanon
State
  Forest, Wharton State Forest, and Bass River State Forest.  It passes
within 1
  mile of historic Batsto.  Besides the natural beauty of the pines there
are
  branchs off of the trail that lead back to cranberry bogs.  At one
point on
  the trail you come to Apple Pie Hill.  It is a very steep, VERY sandy
hill.
  The reward for climbing it is the view from the fire tower that sits
atop it.
  You can see for miles in every direction.
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From: pamela@keps.com
Subject: Sorry for double post
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:31:30 GMT

Sorry for the double postin. rn told me that the first one didn't go out, 
so I tried again.

Sorry
pamela


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:12:57 -0500 
From: "Jae W. Chang" <jc7j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rides in Oregon?


Looking through the past postings, I haven't seen any postings
referring at all to the North West, especially Oregon. I had the
chance to spend the past summer in Oregon, and I can't imagine a
better place to live, work, and BIKE. 

I could go on and on about the fantastic views of the ocean,
mountains, waterfalls, etc. while mountain biking. 

It just seems odd that there aren't more postings coming from the
Northwest. 


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jae@cmu.edu 
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Bike paths (FROM Re: Cycling and Environmentalism)
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec19.024142.4181@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec19.153806.2911@eng.umd.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:08:13 GMT

Gregory D. Surbeck writes:
   Several people, including John Forester and Les Earnest, have
   mentioned that bikepaths are unsafe.  I would like to know why (notice
   that this a question, not an opinion).

This is clearly a FAQ but I don't remember whether it is covered in
our current FAQ list.  In any case, John Forester has much more data
on this topic than I do so I will simply summarize the key issues as
I see them.
o  Bike paths that go from somewhere to somewhere (not to be confused
   with Point A and Point B) generally must intersect roads along the
   way.  Those intersections are very dangerous places, as accident
   statistics show.
o  On paths that are open to pedestrians or other non-cyclists,
   cyclists can't ride at full speed and are frequently slowed to
   a walking pace by these shuffling obstructions.  When you do try to
   go around, there is a good chance that you will be picked off by
   the unpredictable motions of the shuffling obstructions.
o  On paths that are not open to non-cyclists but that also do not
   have stringent law enforcement, pedestians will still take over.
o  On paths that are not open to non-cyclists and that have stringent law
   enforcement, you will encounter wobbly toddlers and families out for
   a slow, communal ride who will make you wish that you had chosen
   the road.
o  On all bike paths, broken glass and other hazards accumulate because
   there are no motor vehicles to automatically scrub them clean.

I will admit that a bike path could be useful for people who want to
get a little excercise at a very slow pace, don't mind patching their
tires frequently, and aren't going anywhere in particular, so that a
closed circuit in a park without crossing roads can be used.  However,
that doesn't describe any cycling that I have ever done or plan to do.

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From: dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: BICYLCING MAGAZINES - EUROPEAN RACING
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:18:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


   Does anyone know of a magazine that covers mostly european racing/results
   etc...Also, is Laurent Fignon (from France) still racing.  I heard that he
   retired and I wasn't sure since he did race in last years tour.

                                    Thanks,
                                            Dan McCauley

                                            
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From: ce422@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (R. Atlas)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Request for suggestions: Hawaii
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:14:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings! Looks as if I'll be able to arrange a stopover in
Hawaii en route to New Zealand, where I plan to cycle for six
weeks. I'd like to spend a few days, but I'm daunted by the
prospect of high prices and oceans of tourists. Any suggestions
for out-of-the-way places to visit, roads to cycle, and lodgings
that are, by Hawaii standards, inexpensive? (I'll be taking my
bike, but otherwise traveling light -- no camping gear.)

Replies to ChaosKid@smith.smith.edu will be warmly appreciated.

Thank you! -- Raphael
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From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Subject: Re: Politics of Cycling Speed
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:53:46 GMT
Summary: We could be in for trouble.

bfa@igc.apc.org (Bicycle Federation of America) writes:
> 
> ... I've long believed that a certain amount of wrong-way riding is likely
> very rational, like a two or three block spin along a high-speed, high volume
> arterial on the "wrong" side rather that crossing the same highway twice. I
> seem to remember doing such a thing as a kid...'cause it seemed to make a lot
> of sense...'cause it seemed to reduce my perception of being at risk. ...,
> ...
> It's this kind of thing, and acknowledgement of the fact that no matter how
> good we are we are NOT in total control over what goes on out there that leads
> many good, regular, careful folks to use helmets (and carry car insurance).

and, to make the best of the situation, learn Effective Cycling.

> different folks should respond differently BECAUSE they do have different
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can you say "roadway anarchy"?

> levels of ability. Some of those folks who think it's dangerous to ride in
> traffic are right; it would be dangerous for THEM to ride in traffic, at least
> it would knowing what they do (or don't) now.

Maybe, for a day or two  until they learned how.  Usually they would
have an opportunity to learn isolated from other regular users.

> It is equally true that it is
> apparently far less risky for other folks (the one who are out there doing it)
> or we would have long ago exhausted the supply of these fool-hearty souls.
> ...
> [cycling instead of motoring]
> ... difference: you don't get away with many "fender-benders" on a bike -- the
> margin of error is narrow and the consequences are usually harsh.
> ... 
> Bill Wilkinson, Bicycle Federation of America

I sure hope this is a forged posting (ala "Dave Harvey").

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA
gem@aloft.att.com

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