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From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: The debt
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:32:38 GMT

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed) writes:
>>
>>No that means the bank has your $100 dollars and the bank can now loan out
>>about $1000.  If you didn't know this you have been living in a hole.
>
>So where does the bank get the additional $900?

Banks don't generally lend out money in cash.

One possibility is that they will deposit it to an account in your
name, thus increasing their liability to you by the amount of the
loan as well as increasing their assets of what is owed to them by
you by the same amount.

Another possibility is that a draft is made up, or some other form
of paper/computer transaction. (eg: purchasing a vehicle or home,
you are never "given" the cash by the bank to take to the vendor)
The clearing of cheques between banks results in a balancing of 
receivables and payables between different banks.  Where there is an
imbalance, money that is "on deposit with the Bank of Canada" is
transferred from one institution's account to another's.

When you deposit cash in a bank account, naturally the bank is going
to put it to work in order to earn more income from it than they will
pay you.  Regulations require that a certain amount of it (I believe
that for notice deposits, it is around 4-5%) must be in a "very liquid"
form.  This means either cash in their vault, or deposited with the
Bank of Canada.  A certain amount of the remaining deposit must be placed
in "almost as liquid" investments such as T-Bills.  The rest they can
invest just about anywhere they like, stocks, bonds, your mortgage,
or Olympia and York.  :-)


Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE          | "...My brain IBM"
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute    | "So if you see me, acting stangely..."
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |                  STYX, Mr. Roboto
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From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Monetary "theory"
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:35:06 GMT


Yes, the monetary system does run on "faith."  If people decide that for
one reason or another they don't trust the banks, and make a "run" on
the money, banks WILL fail, and a lot of the money will be lost.  More
importantly, the entire economy would grind to a halt because there
wouldn't be enough money in the system.

Welcome to the real world!

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |===================================
University of Ottawa              |  The Personal Computer:  Colt 45
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From: rbutterw@math.uwaterloo.ca (Ray Butterworth [MFCF])
Subject: Re: ?SENDING SASE CANADA TO U
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:15:49 GMT

In article <882.7.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol)  writes:
>The other alternative is to buy an international reply stamp from
>Canada Post.  I think it costs more then buying US stamps.  This
>could be your last resort if you can't get hold of US stamps.

It's probably cheaper and certainly easier (for both parties)
if you simply paperclip a 1$US bill onto the envelope.
(It might be illegal to send cash through the mails,
 but I doubt you'd get a long prison term if caught.)
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From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Subject: Re: Violence protests
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:25:30 GMT

In article <3802@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>Brian SPENCER (bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote:
>: I couldn't agree more with Chandwani. Women, homosexuals, blacks,
>: Indians, natives, etc... are being murdered, assaulted, abused,
>: harassed, and descriminated against in this country every day. Yet, what
>: have we done.
>
>So it's ok that there are no protests about the white males being
>killed and assualted?  What a bigot you are.
>
>Rob.
>--
>Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com

Mr. Osborne, either you misread my post or are a complete idiot. Bigot
is defined as: "A person who holds an opinion or belief obstinately and
is intolerant to those who do not", from the Oxford paperback
dictionary. I think you missed my point and I suggest you grow up before
you attempt to embarass yourself once again in front of the whole
country. I won't let this ruin my day

Brian "I am not a bigot" Spencer (hell, one of my best friends in black
and my fiancee is French-Canadian) (bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: FIFTEEN INCHES OF SNOW ON BURNABY HILL, SFU, VANCOUVER, BC
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:17:49 GMT

In article <shephard.724804782@sfu.ca> shephard@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon Shephard) writes:
>SOME reason they haven't closed the University.  Give me a break,
>Security doesn't think they can GET OFF THE HILL, Classes are over for the
>Semester and they (Hmm.  I wonder who is they :) aren't closing the
>university?)

Calm down. Even though your university is indeed on top of a small hill,
no James Bond is about to invade your mountaintop castle.

How's the glass-over-steel-struts roof holding up over the main mall?
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From: alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon)
Subject: Re: QUEBEC SIGN LAW
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:56:03 GMT

Why not a law to make all signs in Quebec English langauge only!!!
D
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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Terminology Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:57:26 GMT

g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:

>In article <altar.724698565@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>>Anyway, maybe we shouldn't be too precisarian about the term
>>"vegetarian", although it does make it difficult for the complete
>>vegetarian when confusion abounds.  

>This is why I was trying to clarify the term.  It's not fun going to a
>restaurant and having the waiter trying to convince you that vegetarians
>eat fish!  (And I wouldn't have even gone to that restaurant if my friend
>hadn't recommended it, thinking that vegetarians eat fish.)

Well, you're right.  I remember the time we got served chicken soup
and the waiter started arguing with us, and this was at a banquet
of philosophers who are most adept at proper argumentation!  All
to no avail.  Finally, Canadian philosopher Jack McIntosh simply
had to loudly demand, "take it away, take it away!"  Argumentum 
ad baculum being the only recourse (customer is always "right")
:-(


>>Many people do become complete vegetarians by first
>>starting off as a "semi-vegetarian", then a pico-vegetarian,
>>and then finally arrive to a complete vegetarian practice.  

>I have no problem with this, just that the word "vegetarian" should not
>be used for people who still eat some kinds of flesh.  (I spent a year going
>from lacto-ovo-vegetarianism to veganism, but even though I was vegan 95% of
>the time I did not call myself a vegan until I had completely stopped using
>milk and eggs.)

What about some intermediate term like "semi-vegetarian"?  I would
like to give people making that attempt some credit and acknowledgement
of their achievement.  What do you think?

					Cheers,
						ted

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Legalized discriminaton in Quebec
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 21:21:37 GMT

In article <Rwa4VB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>Of course immersion in French doesn't teach English kids what's going 
>on in Quebec! It's not designed to! It teaches them the French language,
>not Quebec politics, history and culture. Just as Quebec education doesn't 
>seem to make Quebec citizens understand very well what's happening in 
>Alberta or B.C. I do think it important, however that francophone 
>Canadians can have access to federal government services in French, 
>and conversely, that anglophone Canadians can have access in English 
>wherever they are.

When the kids grow up to be responsible adults and start to become
inquisitive about national politics, their fluency in the french
language will help them tremendously. They will be able to read all the
newspapers from Quebec, listen to debates and interviews with Quebecois
politicians on french CBC, and in times of international conflict, get
a completely different view of the situation by watching the french
CBC's coverage of events happening in another country.

Then, they may start talking to ordinary Quebecois in Montreal or
Quebec City or Rimouski, and realize that what those people endure and
desire are sometimes surprisingly different from what the Quebecois
politicians say their constituents really want when they talk in
english to TROC.
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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:50:22 GMT

bhattac@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya) writes:

Ted Wayn Altar writes:

>>Anyway, maybe we shouldn't be too precisarian about the term
>>"vegetarian", although it does make it difficult for the complete
>>vegetarian when confusion abounds.  Maybe for exactitude, when needed,
>>terms like "pico-vegetarian" or "semi-vegetarian" are helpful and
>>acceptable.

Shankar Bhattacharyya quizzically asks at 4 am:
>So, is a pico-vegetarian better or worse than a semi-vegetarian? How about
>a nano-vegetarian, or a femto-vegetarian?

In the interests of constructing our Great Veggy-Chain of Being,
I would guess that a semi-veg is "better" than those nano-vegetarians.
Yes, those nano-vegetarians are not much "better" than those
non-vegetarians   ;-) :-)

Well, it's almost 2 in the afternoon and I'm still silly  ;-(

					Happy Holiday Season,
						ted


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From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Followup-To: talk.politics.animals
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:54:28 GMT

[follow-ups to t.p.a]
In article <1992Dec15.064520.22393@xenitec.on.ca> merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:
>soybeans and grains are basically pretty boring, 

Food is as boring or as interesting as you make it.  The herbs, spices, and
other condiments that make food more interesting are almost all vegan.

>this is similar to saying that humans don't have to have sex, we can procreate
>just fine by passing sperm around in little bottles.
>
>i think the human race would prefer the enjoyment of the activity, as much,
>if not more than, the practicality of the activity itself.

It's not just a question of practicality, it's a question of ethics.  Is it
ethical to harm others just for pleasure?  I don't think sex is a good analogy
for meat eating, rape or sadism would be closer.

Follow-ups to t.p.a.
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
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From: beaumy@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Beauchemin Myriam)
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:55:08 GMT

>
>>elles font parties de notre culture. Le probleme, c'est que plus souvent
>>qu'autrement, ce sont des expressions qui deforment la langue car nous autres
>>quebecois sommes trop mous pour bien la connaitre. Nous reculons devant le
>>lourd fardaud, mais au combien noble, de protege la langue francaise dans une
                      ^^

	Je remarque que cette horrifiante faute n'avait encore ete soulignee
par personne... ^O combien noble! (bon, bon, il est vrai que le mot possede
neuf homonymes, mais tout de meme!)


--
	Myriam Beauchemin         beaumy@JSP.UMontreal.CA
                                  beaumy@ERE.UMontreal.CA

	

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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:05:34 GMT

Pour accompagner tous ces beaux discours, voici le mien.

Pierre reproche aux dictionnaires de ne pas valider le bon usage.
C'est, selon moi, confondre le dictionnaire et la grammaire.

Le dictionnaire doit rendre compte, sans exprimer d'opinion, des
mots en usage et meme de mots inusites comme les archaismes, ceci
dans le but de comprendre un texte, par exemple.

La grammaire doit rendre compte du bon usage de la langue.
La grammaire est puriste, le dictionnaire ne l'est pas.

-- 
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 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
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From: bourp00@DMI.USherb.CA (PIERRE BOURBONNAIS)
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:29:53 GMT



In article <5447@disuns2.epfl.ch> riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese) writes:

[Article sur le nouveau dictionnaire Quebecois efface du 12 dec 1992]
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>- Ceci n'est certainement pas le premier dictionnaire quebecois.
>  Il en existe au moins trois deja. (Qui ne sont pas tres fiables non plus.)

Effectivement, j'ai deja moi aussi compulse ces dictionnaires quelques fois,
et je trouve qu'ils ne sont qu'une moquerie de la belle langue francaise.
>
>- Je ne savais pas que le Quebec a sa propre Academie.
>  Est-elle comme celle de la France ?

Je dois ici faire preuve d'ignorance: je ne connais pas assez l'Academie de la
France pour y repondre, mais j'ose imaginer qu'elles doivent etre certainement
semblables.

>- Je ne vois pas comment le mot "flye'" est un anglicisme. D'accord, cela
>  contient le mot "fly", mais alors ? Et son rapport avec un sens d'audace ?
>  Est-ce simplement un faux frere ? D'ailleurs, le mot "track" ne rien a
>  voir avec "se tromper".

Le mot angliscisme fait reference a plusieurs type de fautes dans notre lan-
gue, tant grammaticale, semantique ou quoi que ce soit d'autre, issues a la
base de la langue anglaise et le plus souvent americaine en ce qui nous con-
cernent, Quebecois. 

Alors, le mot 'flye' que je deteste, sera un angliscisme car il est issu du
mot 'fly' effectivement, mais denotant un autre sens completement. Mais en
ce qui a trait avec le sens d'audace qu'il lui est attribue, voici ce que je
peux vous dire: si vous voyez une personne dans un centre commercial emprun-
tant les escalators et se mettant tout a coup a declamer son amour pour sa
compagne qui se trouve a ses cote, alors vous entendrez un Quebecois dire
que ce garcon est 'flye'. Pourquoi? A cause de sa maniere d'agir qui s'ecar-
te de l'ordinaire, d'ou l'audace.

Par rapport au mot 'track' je dois vous dire qu'il denote beaucoup l'idee
de 'se tromper'. En effet, en anglais un utilise l'expression: TO BE ON THE
RIGHT TRACK (que je crois etre une expression familliere) signifiant etre
sur le bon chemin, dans la bonne voie. En quebecois, nous sommes assez
stupides pour traduire de la sorte cette expression: Etre sur la bonne track.
De la, l'inverse: Ne pas etre sur la bonne track indique se tromper dans un
sens assez large..
>
>- Est-il vrai que toutes ces expressions, comme s'enfarger et gang de twits,
>  sont utilisees, ou est-ce que le journaliste est a cote de la plaque ?

Oui effectivement, ces expressions sont utilisees, et je demande pardon pour
mes freres et soeurs quebecois qui ne savent pas ce qu'ils font.

>Marc Riese
>Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
>Suisse
From: riese@litsun.epfl.ch (Marc Riese)
Newsgroups: can.francais
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire quebecois"
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:10:49 GMT


L'article originale sur le dictionnaire Quebecois :
>> Des mots inventes au Quebec ... figurent dans l'oeuvre.

Christina Hache a ecrit :
>Qu'est-ce qu'il y a de mal a ca? Ce sont effectivement les mots que nous
>employons tous les jours... C'est quand meme pas de notre faute si 
>l'histoire a fait que nous soyons les seuls francophones ici!!!

Oh la la - du calme, du calme. 
La, je n'ai fait que cite' un article sur un dictionnaire.
Peu de gens sont, figurez-vous, passiones par les dictionnaires.
Alors le journaliste a (desesperement ?) essaye' de rendre l'article
plus attirant en parlant d'une polemique qui n'existe peut-etre meme pas.
Qui a dit qu'on voit du mal a utiliser des mots Quebecois dans
un dictionnaire Quebecois ? Pas moe'.  Baudry et Duquette sont des 
"linguistes reputes" - peut-etre pour leurs discours sur le sexe des anges.
De plus, Duquette semble etre membre ou chef de l'OLF ("l'Academie"
dont le journaliste ecrit.)

>... Les notres sont le reflet de notre histoire. 

L'histoire n'est pas tout.
C'est aussi un reflet de l'influence importante du grand voisin au sud.

>> Jean-Claude Boulanger, professeur a l'Universite Laval du Quebec, en
>> denoncant cette forme de `terrorisme intellectuel'.
>
>Si, par exemple, le dictionnaire devait etre banni ici, moi je denoncerais
>ca de 'terrorisme culturel'....!!!

Qui va bannir le dictionnaire ? Terrorisme culturel de la par de qui ?
Ce n'est pas un peu parano, cela ?

>Je suis jamais allee en Suisse, mais j'ai eu, tiens-toi bien, un
>co-loc twit Suisse de l'EPFL pour un mois. *souffrances*
>Bon. Voila. J'ai fait ma petite part infinitesimale pour la culture
>quebecoise aujourd'hui.

Au ciel, les martyrs de cette cause sacree en seront contents.
Souffrances.


Marc Riese
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
Suisse
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From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Re: Magazine en francais, svp
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.020015.29519@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> o8vt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Lacourse) writes:
>In article <dregeczi.723948755@sfu.ca> dregeczi@fraser.sfu.ca (David Joseph Regeczi) writes:
>>Avant je commence, excuse mon grammaire parce que je suis un nouveau etudiant
>>de francais (et je ne suis pas comment utiliser l'accent dans cette programme).
>>
>>Je cherche un magazine en francais qui va m'aider avec mon francais.  J'ai
>>besion de beaucoup d'aider!  Est-ce que personne me dit un bon magazine que
>>vous aimez?  Merci.
>>
>>And for those who can't understand my attempt at French, I'd like to have a
>>French magazine that will help me in my quest to learn French.  Can someone
>>recommend something to me that they feel is easy and/or interesting to read?
>>(Emphasis on the interesting, I'll muddle my way through any vocab stuff.  
>>Thanx.
>
>"L'actualite" est l'equivalent francais de MacLeans.
>
>Si vous ne pouvez pas le trouver chez le marchand de revues specialisees,
>vous pouvez contacter les service d'abonnements a l'adresse suivante
>
>Abonnements:  (514) 843-2552
>              1001 boul. deMaisonneuve O.
>              Montreal, Quebec
>              H3A 3E3
>
>

Je penserais que la bibliotheque universitaire s'abonne a l'Actualite.  Va
l'y chercher--c'est gratuit!
-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario |  If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
Canada!!          |  University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
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From: yves@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (Yves Jolly)
Subject: Re: "Polemique autour d'un dictionnaire queb
Reply-To: yves@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Organization: Communication Research Centre
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:05:35 GMT

> >une culture dont je suis tres fier et dont je vois ternir l'image en
> >lisant des lettres comme la tienne Chritina. Nous ne sommes pas ici pour
>                                    ,
> >faire une nouvelle langue, mais pas du tout! Nous sommes ici pour evoluer
> >avec la langue et la langue evolue avec nous!
> >
> >Finalement Chritina, je crois que tu dois des excuses a Marc pour ta reponse
> >des plus stupides. Je te conseille meme de ne plus relire ce groupe
> >qu'apres avoir appris le francais.
> 
> Je reflechirais 2 fois avant de donner de tels conseils.
> 
> >:*) Pierre de l'UNIVERSITE DE SHERBROOKE.
> 
> Etudiant en quoi?  Pas en lettres, j'espere...
> 
> -- 
>   \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>  /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
> J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
> \_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie


Bien envoye !  J'abonde dans le sens de Denis Beauregard.  J'avais moi aussi remarque le nombre eleve de fautes de francais dans la reponse de M. Bourbonnais a Christina.  Quand on se donne la peine de critiquer quelqu'un de la sorte, on fait son possible pour avoir un francais a peu pres correct.  Quand on attaque personnellement en plus, il se doit d'etre absolument parfait.  Monsieur Bourbonnais, allez vous-meme reviser votre grammaire avant de relire ce groupe.

Les opinions exprimees ici n'impliquent aucunement mon employeur.
---
Yves Jolly		Email:	yves@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Communications Research Centre, Dept. of Communications
P.O. Box 11490, Stn. H, Ottawa, Ont., CANADA  K2H 8S2
Phone: (613) 998-2780		Fax: (613) 990-7987

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