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From: eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: re: akai s1000 and equip.
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:13:56 GMT


My friend (will) and I use an akai S1100 with Notator.

The akai s1100 is a damn dood machine but one problem you may wish to know is
that even with 48 tracks to mix down on, the akai s1100 takes up 8 channels
and we find that, even with the amount of equipment we have, we still seem
to run out of channels with leaves us with the problem of our tracks not
having enough depth or trippyness (i suppose). Memory is no problem (10 meg)
but once you run out of channels for the mix-down onto DAT, you cant add
anymore sounds. You can mix sounds into 1 channel but then you cant really 
(you can but qaulity is poor) adjust each individual sound during mix down
(top, mid, low etc..) and you then cant run effects over the indiviual sounds.

Does any one know how to solve our problem ????

ALSO, IF YOU BUY RACK-MOUNTS, TRY AND GET ONES WITH MULTI-TIMBRAL OUTPUT. THAT
IS, THEY CAN OUTPUT MORE THAN ONE SOUND AT A TIME.

Equipment we use,   ROLAND (202, 2x303 (in sync), 505, 808, 909, JD-800, JUNO 2)
WALDORF RACK MOUNT, 2xQUADRAVERB FX UNITS, 2xALESIS 24trk mixing desks,
OBERHEIM MATRIX 1000 RACK MOUNT, ATARI + NOTATOR and the AKAI S1100.

Richie
eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: eda735a@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (P.E. Mazur)
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream
Summary: Tangernie Dream confusion
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:21:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.203619.25387@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, rojohnso@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
> 
> Hey guys...
>             I was just wondering if someone out there could just get into more
> detail about what Tangerine Dream's sound is like?  Is it leaning more towards
> new age music, or to dance music??  Im aware that there are different degrees
> of ambient music, so I was just curious...Also, has anyone heard 808 State's
> newest single?? Ive seen it in the store, but never heard it.
> 
>                                                 Peace,
>                                                  RJ
>                                                      

Tangerine Dream is one of the best known German Electronic groups.  I would 
not call it Techno by any standards.  Their tracks are typically over five
minutes long, progressive and purely instrumental with no trace of hard dance
beats or hard hitting orchestral type sounds etc etc  A lot of their music is
used in soundtrax for movies for example.
				- Shem

Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:55:45 EDT
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo

In article <alchemy.718398887@cs1.bradley.edu> alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu (Mike Swiston) writes:
>In <9227801.21982@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:

>% I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>% group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>% is? I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out
>% the Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or
>% does it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?

>The "connection" is a joke (?) from the Illuminati
>trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea.
>Musically, there's no connection.

Gih?  What "connection" between the MC5 and the JAMs/KLF is from the
Illuminati trilogy (yes, I know what JAM stands for).




-- 
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
    
                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: help needed, pt. 3
Date: 13 Oct 1992 09:49:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Okay, this is the last time, I promise (well, okay, I don't promise, but
I'll try...)  Is anyone interested in writing up the techno music part
of the FAQ?  Mainly I just want this to be an overview of the different
types of music played at raves, so it should include somewhat lengthy
descriptions of hardcore, ambient, tribal, house, acid, etc.  Try to
give an example or two or four of each variety. You can go into the history
and evolution of dance music, and make sure you keep your range broad
enough to include everything back to Kraftwerk, when appropriate. 

	Since the ambient FAQ is there, why reinvent the wheel, just give a 
brief overview of that style of music and a pointer to the FTP site.  In fact, 
it might be a good idea to look over the files there (soda.berkeley.edu; 
/pub/sfraves/music) to see what's there.  I'm referring to that site often
in the FAQ anyways.

	Finally, I could use some more discographies... I just cleared out
the FTP site at cs.uwp.edu of anything techno-related, so anyone who's
privately maintaining discog's lemme have 'em.  Especially Orbital... and
Aphex Twin would be nice.

	Thanx!

	Brian



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From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt26.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: FORTRAN 5 BLUES
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:17:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Does anybody have Fortran 5's latest album, Blues?  If you do, can you
tell me if it's good or not?  Your opinion of each song is appreciated.

Plus, can anyone share their opinions of the Techno Trax V1-5 (from  
Germany)?  I saw the compilations the other day, selling for $38.99US/per
volume, and didn't know if it's worth it.

I also need suggestions on a good techno/house album, not compilations.
Thanks.

				Techno Houser
From: cs90rwr@brunel.ac.uk (Richard W Rackham)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Dr. Alban
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:39:02 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Walter Dao (wdao@aludra.usc.edu) wrote:
: 
: I know it is not really techno/rave but how are his other songs ? 
: I have "it's my life" (in the same vein as "Snap") which I like .
:

Flame me if you want, but I think that the beginning of "It's my
life" is a rip-off of Masterboy's "Shake it up and Dance" which
can only be described as terrible.

But then again, I don't like Dr Alban either.


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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: slappy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Don Rossi)
Subject: someone please clarify this...
Followup-To: alt.rave
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:32:57 GMT

hey, maybe this is a dumbass question, but i'm a mobile dj who has been
diggin the rave scene for  about a year and a half, since i snatched a 
quadrophonia 12" out of curiosity. my question is this: are the terms
"techno" and "rave" interchangeable when referring to the tunes? i've
seen "techno" charts and "rave" charts posted side by side in the same 
magazines, and have been corrected by attitude-toting record store clerks
about my choice of terms. (clerks who, by the way, couldnt give me a
straight 
answer about the difference when i asked them)  Although the idea of
labeling
something as strictly "this" or strictly "that" perturbs me, im really
curious
about this little quandry  -  help me out.  thanx. 

                    ________________
                    ________________
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              /  slappy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  \
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From: pa_ross@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Mr Rossy)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Song structure
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:21:44 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol


>Hello ravers,
>
>Haven't you yet realised that rave music follows the same old four-beat
>structure with the same old instruments?
>
>Sad.

Yeah and it's all in exactly the same key, the only thing that is different is
the BPM. But if I want to listen to music then I listen to George Micheal or
Simple Red. If I want to go mad on a Saturday or dance my nuts off then I
go to a rave. Try as you might "Faith" or "Praying for time" do not inspire
you to move and are not real NRG songs. Rave does make you feel good and going 
to a rave is an experience comparable to sex.

						 Fantas'E'
						=---------=
From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: ** PITTSBURGH BUS TRIP TO DC FOR MASQUERAVE **
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:11:43 GMT
Organization: RaveReaction CandyLoop Clothing


                      ****Sooper Phat Bus Trip****

                            October 31, 1992

                          M A S Q U E R A V E

                     From Pittsburgh To Washington DC
                       Saturday 4pm  --  Sunday 4pm

              Total Cost : $40 (includes trip AND rave ticket)

                          Highlights of Bus Trip
                          ----------------------
                          Reclining Leather Seats
                      Television Screen w/EVERY seat
                            HyperDelic Videos
                            Free Smart Drinks
                 Kickin' Techno Music Pumped Throughout Bus
                                Good Vibe           
                             Comfortable Ride

For more information
--------------------
CONTACT :   Dario Kenning      412-682-6159
                           or
            Turbo Zen Records  412-621-7759

----
This was posted for a friend
----

                           105% HighOctane RaveFuel 
        TECHNOCOLORED      ------------------------      HIGH VELOCITY
         ULTRA-SONIC       damian@unix.cis.pitt.edu         BIONIC 
       BOTS IN TOYLAND     ------------------------     HYPNO-PHLUIDITY
                              (((((In Stereo)))))
                                where available
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
From: bgray1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Brandon Gray)
Subject: Re: What's this upcoming _Orbital Dance: Best Of Orbit_ compilation?
Organization: No, I only represent myself..
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:28:53 GMT

In article <1bgn6nINNqvb@agate.berkeley.edu>, bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu
(Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
>

>  Has anyone heard the remixes he (william Orbit) has done for Seal?
> 
> 
> 



Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt26.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Maurice Joshua/Chantay Savage
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:25:33 GMT

Earlier this year, Maurice Joshua (from I.D. Productions in Brookfield,  
Illinois)  released "I Gotta Hold On U."  It features the singer Chantay
Savage.  Does anybody know if there's a CD single out for that song?
Any info is appreciated.

					-T.H.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: edwardst@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Rave L.A.
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:41:52 PST

Anyone have much perspective on what's going on with the L.A. rave scene?
It crested into the mainstream a few months ago, and seems to have quieted
down since.  Is it headed toward disintegration or toward new vitality 
underground?  I was checking it out heavily about a year ago and caught
some really good vibes.  However, these vibes were quickly diluted by the
mainstream clamor and resultant "pose factor."
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: mayday, mayday, mayday ....
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:45:16 GMT

Mayday ..

composed by DJ Westbam from Germany on LOW SPIRIT recordings .


Its the theme song to the Mayday Party that was held middle of last year in
Germany to save DT24. Germanies top and longest running dance/pirate station.

It did the job but once again, DT24 is under attack from german authorities.

The Mayday party attracted over 15000 people  (I think it was that much!)
and featured DJ such as UR, Westbam, Tanith, Dr.Motte, etc.. as well as live
performances from GTO, THE HYPNOTIST, COSMIC TRIGGER, UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE,
NEUTRON 9000, PHOBIAand so on.

I have a book at home if anyone wants any specifics.

Hope this solves your problem Ron.

Richie "Rich" Mc Neill (Melb.)
eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Subject: The Nighttripper / Tonal Experiment
Organization: UNIX System Labs.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:49:49 GMT

There is a 12", very acidy trancy, that drives me totally insane.  At three
different raves now I've heard this, each time at around 5.00 in the morning,
and each time it wakes me as if from the dead (I'm usually awfully tired at
5.00 am at a rave . . . gotta work on my stamina).  The other night I
was standing next to the DJ as he pulled it off the turntable and I believe
the name of this track is called "The Nighttripper" (or that's the band's
name and the track is called "Tonal Experiment").  It's dated 1992.  The
best way to describe it is that it has this brilliant grindy acid bassline
that sounds like a giant cat purring.  If any of you are familliar with the
East Coast DJ Dante, it seems to be the track he starts his early-AM sets
off with.

Does anyone have any information on how I might go about obtaining this?  I
scoured some record stores in NYC the next day and couldn't find it.  Is
this one of those A-List DJ only things?

Laura
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:42:05 -0400 
From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Song?

It might be DESPERATION with RESURRECTION.... it's a speed metal riff
with a techno beat
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose)
Subject: Discrimination (was: Re: New York Raves/clubs requested)
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: discrimination
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:57:33 GMT

laura.l.la gassa writes
> I've clubbed in Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, New York, Dallas, and Austin.  No
> where have I seen as much "velvet roping" as in Manhatten.  Even though I am
> let in it still leaves me feeling a bit odd . . . which is why I enjoy raving
> so much, the atmosphere is that much freer, happier, and nicer since you
> weren't made to feel "selected" before you walked in.

I am probably not as club worldly as Laura, but I have been in clubs in L.A.,  
San Diego, Vancouver, Manhatten (ok and New Brunswick, NJ!).  Discrimination is  
most extreme in Los Angeles, by a whooping landslide.  Its my "hometown" by the  
way.

Christopher
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: jtamdor@iastate.edu (Jason T Amdor)
Subject: Raves in Iowa?
Summary: Looking for raves in Iowa, if there are any.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:24:38 GMT

Are there any raves in Iowa?  Its really not possible for me to get to
Chicago
but could to Des Moines or Omaha or Minneapolis, MN....Anybody have any
ideas?
.
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Song structure
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:19:57 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

In article 14945@aston.ac.uk, heneganj@cs.aston.ac.uk (Jason Henegan) writes:
>Hello ravers,

>Haven't you yet realised that rave music follows the same old four-beat
>structure with the same old instruments?

>Sad.

Well, yes and no. Rave music is fundamentally different from most
other musical forms, in that it is primarily intended as raw material
which a DJ can mix seamlessly, so that the end product is a single
piece of music several hours long which changes as (hopefully) the DJ
reads the mood of the ravers. This is in contrast to "pop" (which
all sounds the same to me :-) , where each track is trying to sell
itself as a complete unit with a (boring) structure.
For a rave track to be successful, it has to lend itself to being
mixed or cut up so as to fit into the context of some other rave
genre that a DJ might come to play, so there has to be a whole genre
with a related sound, beat and BPM. There is, however plenty of scope
for new genres, and it only takes a few seminal tracks to start one.
I don't think that 3:4 or 5:4 time hard dance music is really feasible,
(though I'd be delighted if someone tried it), but there are plenty of
possibilities for distinctive new beats yet to be explored. (I heard
a wonderful variation on reggae at a rave in London, as different as 
ska or raga, but definitely not either - I wish I knew what it was).
As for the instruments, it's already not all samplers - all sorts of
stuff gets used.
And if you want rave tracks with "song structure", you've just got
the wrong idea about what the music is trying to achieve. I'd suggest
you buy yourself a copy of Steve Reich's "Early Works", stick it in the
CD speeler, press Repeat; Play, pump it way up loud and have youself
strapped into a chair for 24 hours, then go to a rave and GET ON ONE.

-/\/\/\/-
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Chicago Rave Scene/Milw Rave
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:46:58 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

>Oh please.  You're like my English teacher back in high school who could find
>biblical allusions in Mork and Mindy and references to sex in Cat in the Hat.
>If you look hard enough for something, chances are it'll appear to you,
>whether or not it was intentional or even actually present.
>
>I think Jerry was trying to distinguish between different kinds of _crowds_
>that appear at parties - and these distinct crowds have distinct attitudes
>that can make or break a good event.  I don't know the demographics of
>Chicago, so I don't know if _everyone_ in the south-side is black, so I
>can't extrapolate that when he says south-siders he means blacks.  Ask Jerry
>what he would think if a black man walked up to him, smiled, danced, gave
>him a hug, and he'd probably be thrilled.  Same thing with Italians, or any
>race.  I mean, for all we know Jerry _himself_ might be black!
>
>There is a ton of racism in the music world, that I will not deny.  But I will
>deny that it exists with such prevalence in the rave scene.
>
>    Brian

I have to disagree; I thought the exact same things about Jerry's post...
I don't live anywhere near Chicago but I know that most blacks in Chicago
live on the south side, and his use of the words 'southsiders' 'their crowd'
'guidos' etc  combined with the overall tone of his article made him come
across as really annoyingly prejudiced, if not outright racist.  I just
figured someone else would flame him for it, so I left it alone.

'The rave scene' isn't the same everywhere, I'm sure.  An SFRave is not
likely to be the same experience as a Chicago rave, which isn't going
to be the same as an Ohio rave, or an Alaskan rave, or a UK rave, or a
Belgian rave, etc. etc.   I wouldn't assume that Jerry's observations
are false.  Maybe there is a problem with non-rave-spirited people of any
race/region making Chicago raves into 'their' kind of party, or maybe
that's not a problem, depending on how you look at it.  So I wouldn't say
there isn't any racism or segregation in the rave scene.

The rave I went to in Cincinnati last weekend was predominately white,
but outside on the main strip the pedestrians and traffic (this was near
the UC campus so there were a LOT of people hanging around) were
predominately black.  The rave was okay, but you could feel the
segregation.  If the people outside heard house music blaring instead of
hard techno, maybe the demographics of the scene would have been different.
I dunno.  I wish it wasn't like that, but it's everywhere.  You can't get
away from it.  Not even at a rave, at least not yet.

If and when I organize my own, it's an issue I will address.
Techno shouldn't be 'white music' and house shouldn't be 'black music'.
Raves should be for everybody.

Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.misc
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: ignore Lazlo Nibble's outbursts
Keywords: Lazlo Nibble outburst knee-jerk
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:46:22 GMT

In <1992Oct8.022334.12712@en.ecn.purdue.edu> davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) writes:
>        A word to alt.rave and rec.music.misc newcomers: Lazlo Nibble is, quite
>often, an incorrigible knee-jerk who looks for trouble where there isn't any
>and criticizes people for no reason other than to stir up a fight.

As opposed to Mr. Davison, who in his utter and complete HYPOCRISY
contributes nothing, but engages in cute "tricks" like directing
followups to this post into misc.test, so that the follower-up
can be bombarded with junk mail from the entire internet.

To quote Lazlo:  Eat Shit, asshole.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                                Ma gavte la nata
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: Rave L.A.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:55:08 GMT

edwardst@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>Anyone have much perspective on what's going on with the L.A. rave scene?
>It crested into the mainstream a few months ago, and seems to have quieted
>down since.  Is it headed toward disintegration or toward new vitality 
>underground?  I was checking it out heavily about a year ago and caught
>some really good vibes.  However, these vibes were quickly diluted by the
>mainstream clamor and resultant "pose factor."

  I don't know if anyone remember's my prediction from last spring,
but it's seems pretty accurate.  I basically said that the whole LA
scene would slow down and splinter into the above ground and below
ground.  
  The bigger raves are fewer and far between.  The especially greedy
promotors pretty much got a bad rep.  The "pose factor" pretty much
migrated to the clubs, back to where they came from, now that they
have "techno" nights.  That seems to be where the mainstream scene
went -- to the clubs.
  The underground scene is getting better, and it is where most of the
hardcore ravers went to.  There are still a few problems, but
everything looks a little more like it did 2 years ago than it did 1
year ago.  Back to the basics.  Good location, good DJs, good
atmosphere, free water, cheaper tix, etc.

  Most of the people complaining about the LA scene aren't connected
to, or aren't going to the more underground events.

  I would suggest to anyone wanting to know and talk about the more
underground and better side of the LA rave scene get on the
SoCal-Raves list.  To get added to the SoCal-Raves list you can:
  
  - use the automatic robot and send a message to
    socal-raves-request@ucsd.edu with line "sub socal-raves" in the
    *body* of the message.

  - or send a message to me and I will add you.

  
  There is still a "good" LA scene.  It just harder to find -- the way
it should be.
--
Joachim Vance (The Underdog)
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