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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:18:44 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <l7frgnINNonr@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar) writes:

 I have this
> theory that women with relatively low weight at the beginning of their
> pregnancy have a harder time getting back to prepregnancy weight. Can
> anyone support or refute this?

I don't know about this theory.  My normal prepregnancy
weight is 116 lbs (I'm 5'6").  I gained the same amount of weight each
pregnancy, 20 pounds, delivered big babies (8.5 and 10 lbs) and was back at PP
weight within a week or so.  I then went down another 10 pounds, and although
I'm still nursing my daughter I suspect I will again go back up to my normal
weight after she weans.  Anyway, the smartest thing I did was have a skinny
mother!  To get back to your theory, I think weight gain and retention probably
have more to do with whatever metabolism a woman has, heavy or thin.  In other
words women I've known who have to watch their weight when not pregnant seem to
gain more and have a harder time losing it.  But this is strictly my
observation, so please don't deluge me with stories--I know YMMV!

> 
> Emotionally I was back to normal after Sebastian started sleeping
> through the night at 12 months. The hormonal chnges after the birth
> were certainly destabilizing but sleep deprivation was just the worst
> thing. 
> 
Bingo!  I don't want to jinx it but my daughter has now gone a week sleeping
through, and I already feel like I have more hours in the day somehow.  Maybe
it's because I'm not spending the day wishing I could nap :). 

What I've found about getting "back to normal" with the second baby is that it
has taken just about this long (9+ months) postpartum to resettle our family
into its new configuration.  It wasn't the physical changes that took a long
time to pass, it was the need to develop new ways of mothering two rather than
one.  From the simple:  feeding two hungry little ones, bathing two tired
wigglers, just loading two into the car and careening through the grocery
store...to dealing with jealousy from the elder, and never having any time for
ourselves as a couple.

But oddly enough, now somehow two seems easier to manage in some ways!  I find
myself tossing them in the van and just heading out for errands that I used to
try to do alone when I only had one child.  And the bond that is developing
between them is wonderful to see.

So, when does life get back to normal?  Well, what's normal?!

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Re: RE: Babys last name/Cute things they say (23 mo)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:25:39 GMT

As a follow up to all thats been going around 
with the last name business I thought I would 
tell you of Mandy's new joke that usually gets
a laugh from people who haven't heard it yet.
By the way, she came up with this on her own.

When asked her father's name: "Bill Tavenner"
When asked her mother's name: "Kathy Tavenner"
When asked her name: "Mandy Lynn Tavenner"
Shaking her head as in disbelief: "Too many Tavenners"

Little does she know there may soon be another!

Kathy T.
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Info about a game wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:18:13 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <MMEYER.92Jul29140412@m2.dseg.ti.com> mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes:
>
>	That game, "Borders America", sounds like a lot of fun!  And
>it seems easy to make up a set of cards at home.  But I wonder... in a
>hypothetical game, let's say you play New Hampshire, and then I play
>Maine.  Then what will you do? :-)

Well, there's the Green Hills of Vermont, or the Evil Empire to
the South, the Peoples Republic of Taxachusetts.

Farther west, a couple of plays later, there's New York, Land of
Taxes.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: romal@sco.COM (Roma Levy)
Subject: Re: Musical Tapes For babies/toddlers
Reply-To: romal@refosco.UUCP (Roma Levy)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:37:10 GMT



We all love the tapes by Tom Chapin and Linda Arnold.  Also
Tom Paxton.  They sing songs that are enjoyable by kids AND
adults.  They also tend to sing a lot about environmental
issues in a humorous way -- check out Tom Chapin's "Mother
Earth" cassette -- it's great!  It has a song about the
seasons changing ("She likes to change her seasons, it's
Mother Earth's routine.  Green to brown, brown to white,
white back into green.  She changes clothes and puts on
something clean.") and songs about things like good and
bad garbage, the water cycle, and a really cute one about
how animals "mate:"  "There's two kinds of seagulls, he-gulls
and she-gulls.  He-gulls like she-gulls, and that's why there's
seagulls.... Most creatures come in pairs, that's the way they
mingle.  One kind only would be lonely -- it take two to tingle!"

Anyway, you get the idea!

Roma
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Newspaper Article on Importance of Play (LONG)
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:37:42 GMT

A great article, thanks for taking the trouble to type it in.  This is also
an additional factor for the "are kids worth it?" head-scratchers - having
kids _gives YOU permission_ to play around and be goofy and do stuff you
would ordinarily be embarrassed to try.  My father is an artist and lecturer
and many of his emphases get back to playing, and having someone (like him-
self) give tight-laced adults PERMISSION to play.  

-- 
===============================================================================
paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
===============================================================================
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mac Games for Kids
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:28:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

We just got a new one our almost 5 and 3 love.  It's by the guys that did
Cosmic Osmo (a real winner for ages 4 - 40) and it's a bit more "educational"
but still fun.  It's called Spelunx.  These two and Manhole are Hypercard
based games where you get to explore all over and find new things every
time.  Cosmic Osmo even comes on CD-ROM so you can spend the rest of your
life playing.  (Alan found a family portrait in Osmo's space ship.  He
said, "Look!  There's Cosmic Osmo, and Mrs. McOsmo, and Mr. McOsmo (I
guess I should have spelled that "Coz McOsmo"))

SimCity would be a good one -- the older ones can actually play, while
the little ones can buldose and build roads.  I second the suggestion
of KidPix -- it's great.  Playroom is pretty good for the little ones.
The worst are the really educational ones like Reader Rabbit.  Trey're
repetitive and they're no fun until you can do them, and once you
can do them they're boring.

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:07:59 GMT

	fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu (c. b. fowler) writes:
>Whenever this arises, seek advice from those more knowledgeable.  You can
>even ask Him directly.

Or Her.
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:12:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis) writes:
>my two kids are 22 months apart (#1 is boy and #2 is a girl) and they are best
>friends (now they are 4 and 2).  They'll play together in their rooms for an
>hour on weekend mornings -- letting the parents sleep.  they wait turns, they
>share, he reads her books and encourages her potty training, when they are not
>together, they'll be asking where the other one is...of course, there are
>moments of jealousy, not wanting to share, pushing and nothing really goes
>right when they are tired and cranky.  In general (80%) of the time, they
>get along great.

I had to comment on this.  Mine are the same spacing, both boys, and the
younger is very big -- almost as big as the older.  So when it came time
for Jeff to potty-train, we just shared Alan's underwear with him.  This
turned out to be great motivation:  "Now Jeff, I don't want you to pee
in that underwear."  And of course the last thing Jeff wanted to do was
pee in Alan's underwear!

Alan was so proud, too.  It was Jeff's first dinner out, and everyone
was aware of it because we kept reminding him, not wanting to make a
scene.  So we were waiting behind an elegantly dressed woman in the
ladies' room when Alan told her, "Hi!  My name is Alan, and I'm wearing
underwear.  This is Jeff, and he's wearing underwear too!"

		--  maggie

PS  No, we weren't to poor to buy Jeff his own underwear -- we were on
vacation.  We still buy them the same size -- saves sorting it.

-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
From: CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Juvenile Diabetes and cows milk (new study)
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:15:00 GMT
 <1992Jul30.171739.11395@mdd.comm.mot.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Jul30.171739.11395@mdd.comm.mot.com>, nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com
(Mike Nelson) says:
>
>In the paper this morning (July 30) an article talked of a
>recent study showing a correlation between drinking
>cows milk and the onset of Juvenile Diabetes in people
>genetically prone to the disease. It has to do
>with some enzymes found in cows milk that trigger the
>disease.
>
>No causal effect has been shown yet but another larger
>study is slated which may involve 4000 genetically
>prone infants.

I read about this study too (in our local newspaper).  The study involved
approximately 450 infants.  The findings apparently suggested that infants who
are genetically predisposed to diabetes are at greater risk of developing the
disease if they drink cows' milk *during the first nine months* of life.  The
article did not say anything about potential problems with cows' milk
consumption after that point.

Carol Fischer (CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu)
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:35:01 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <3247@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.195446.10195@advtech.uswest.com> diane@advtech.uswest.com writes:
>>
>>Just to express an alternative viewpoint: I had an epidural for my first
>>child, and yes, it helped me relax; I stopped fighting the contractions and
>>the labor finally started progressing.  But along with the relief I also
>>got an IV, an internal monitor, and (of course) immobility.  I was also
>>catheterized post-partum.  It was over 24 hours before I was able to get
>>out of bed (and shakily, at that).
> 
> Diane--I'm not sure you can attribute your post-partum difficulties to
> your use of an epidural.  I had an epidural with my second child, and
> was able to get up and walk around less than an hour after the birth.  
> I had no catheter, spent one night in the hospital and went home just 
> fine the next morning.  Post partum, I felt better after the epidural
> than I did with my first labor when I didn't have one.  

Yep, I had the same experience as Judy...epidural, walked around pretty
quickly, took a shower within 6 hours, and left the hospital feeling okay after
less than 48 hours.  I don't know if the epidural can completely explain all of
Diane's reactions--maybe different body chemistry?

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hirsch@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Bob Hirsch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Old Tom Chapin show --> Make a Wish
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:20:53 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035

CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>A recent post about kid tapes by Tom Chapin reminded me of a Saturday show I
>would watch sometimes as a bored teenager.  Tom Chapin was the host and he
>would start off with some word and then take it in a strange direction.

I'm pretty sure it was Make a Wish.
Wonderful visuals to go along with the word associations, old engravings
and stock film footage as I recall.

Even today I sometimes have thoughts along the same lines:
"Swiss cheese ... which is not to be confused with Swiss chard ... not to
be confused with Chardonnay ..."

Great show.  I think Tom and his brother Harry Chapin were masters of
invention.


Bob Hirsch  --  Sterling ZeroOne  --  NASA Ames Research Center
hirsch@ames.arc.nasa.gov              Mail Stop 233-3
415/604-4807                          Moffett Field, CA 94035
**The preceding has been an opinion by a concerned citizen.**
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Musical Tapes For babies/toddlers
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:28:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 24-Jul-92 in Musical Tapes For babies/to..
user Maureen Sion@ubvmsb.cc. writes:
> My daughter is 13 months and I would like
>to purchase a few tapes for a long car trip we will be taking.
>I haven't even been to the store yet to check out the selection
>or cost but I would love to hear what tapes have been a REALLY
>BIG hit and what tapes are barely used.  (so I can avoid buying
>the barely used tapes :>)

{Point of reference: Mickey is 2.75 yrs; Margaret is 6.5 weeks}

We drive from Pittsburgh, PA to eastern North Carolina at least
once/year to visit my parents & wouldn't survive without the following
tapes:

Tom Chapin: Family Tree
            Moonboat
            Mother Earth
Dr. Seuss:  Fox in Sox
            Hop on Pop
Joe Scruggs: Bahama Pajamas (VERY funny songs)
Mr. Rogers: Won't You Be My Neighbor

Mickey has some kiddie tapes (nursery ryhmes, etc.), too, but doesn't
like them nearly as much as the Chapin & Scruggs.  We got Fox in Sox for
his second birthday last fall, since he was driving us nuts, making us
read it ALL the time.  We believe in reading to our kids, but 2 hours of
Fox in Sox can cause laryngitis (proven by both Mom & Dad in our house);
Seuss on tape give us a good break.  The nursery tapes drive us nuts
after a couple of plays, but we all sing along with the Chapin.

We haven't tried any of the Sesame Street soundtracks, but may borrow
one or two from the library for our next trip.  He's not really into
Sesame Street, so I odn't know if they'd be worth it.

You may want to check out your local children's library for kids' tapes
to see what she likes, before investing in stuff none of you can stand. 
A lot of kids really go for Raffi, for example, but I know just as many
that don't; Mickey will watch him perform but doesn't like the tapes, so
they aren't worth it for us.

Hope this helps.  Have a god trip.

Mickey & Margaret's Mom,
Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: diane@camdenuswest.com ( Diane Diesh)
Subject: Re: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food
Reply-To: diane@advtech.uswest.com
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:39:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.223944.28624@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.155430.21038@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw) writes:
> >My son Bradley is 9.5 mo old.  I have been trying to get him
> >used to more solid, lumpy foods.  He is used to his baby
> >food, cereals, etc.  If I try anything the least bit lumpy
> >with him (i.e. junior mixed veggies, mashed bananas, real
> >cereal, junior carrots), he gags terribly and won't eat it.  

> I cant remember whne I started my son on lumpy food, but I know it was quite 
> a bit before 9.5 months. At 9.5 months I got tired of having the spoon knocked 
> out of my hand, so I gave up on feeding him, and let him feed himself. Have 
> you started him on finger foods yet? Maybe he just doesnt like baby food. That 
> stuff is pretty vile. Try giving him cherrios, ripe fruit, things like that, 
> and see how he goes. If he likes to feed himself, then he will get used to 
> the texture. Meanwhile, I suspect that you may have missed the window of  
> opportunity for him to accept lumpy foods, but dont worry, keep trying  
> different things, and eventually he will catch on.  

I sympathize with Catherine.  I think some kids just have a real problem
getting used to the texture of (non-mush) foods.  I've got one.  My 9 month
old gags on anything that isn't complete mush, and, yes, I have offered him
finger foods.  He has the necessary dexterity, but as soon as he pops a
Cheerio in his mouth he gets a troubled look on his face as he tries to
figure out what to do with this strange thing.  Ultimately, he gags.

I've resigned myself to continue feeding mush, and to continue offering
finger foods whenever possible.  I'm not really worried...I'm sure he'll
learn eventually, and I'm sure Brandon will too.
-- 
Diane Diesh
diane@advtech.uswest.com
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:04:04 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: FORTUNE magazine special supplement
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1992Jul27.185815.9107@linus.mitre.org>, by m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters):
> Just FYI, this month's FORTUNE magazine includes a special supplement
> entitled CHILDREN IN CRISIS.  Very informative, very thought-provoking
> look at some of the issues of today.  Full of really scary stats too.

[bunch deleted]
[...]
> Federal spending on children (in billions, 1990 figures) was $68.6.
> It was $354.5 for the elderly, although the population of Americans over
>     65 is less than 1/2 that of children under 18.

but... but... these were OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, not ours! Who cares?

Not us, obvious. We've laid down our priorities. Kids don't vote.

>  I do know is that children are the single most important resource we have
> as a civilized (at times I wonder :-) ) society.  We had better do
> something pretty damn quick.

But... but... those aren't OUR children. They're the wrong color. They
speak the wrong language. Their parents are all illiterate savages who loll
around all day collecting welfare checks and spending them on beer and
potato chips. Why should we care about THOSE kids? They won't turn out to
be anything but trash anyhow, no matter how much money we spend on them!

[The above, needless to say, was a bitter attempt at satire... in the fall
I will be TEACHING "those" children.]

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.155430.21038@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw) writes:
>My son Bradley is 9.5 mo old.  I have been trying to get him
>used to more solid, lumpy foods.  He is used to his baby
>food, cereals, etc.  If I try anything the least bit lumpy
>with him (i.e. junior mixed veggies, mashed bananas, real
>cereal, junior carrots), he gags terribly and won't eat it.  
>Should he not be able to handle these foods by now?  I read
>that babies should pretty well be eating all "real" food
>by a year old.  Am I being unrealistic?  Did I wait too long?
>Are there any foods I should be starting him off on?
>Any advice?  If this topic has already been covered, I
>apologize. I am new on the net, and have really enjoyed
>all the postings.  I am learning a lot!
>
>
I cant remember whne I started my son on lumpy food, but I know it was quite 
a bit before 9.5 months. At 9.5 months I got tired of having the spoon knocked 
out of my hand, so I gave up on feeding him, and let him feed himself. Have 
you started him on finger foods yet? Maybe he just doesnt like baby food. That 
stuff is pretty vile. Try giving him cherrios, ripe fruit, things like that, 
and see how he goes. If he likes to feed himself, then he will get used to 
the texture. Meanwhile, I suspect that you may have missed the window of  
opportunity for him to accept lumpy foods, but dont worry, keep trying  
different things, and eventually he will catch on.  
 
If you cant get him to eat finger foods, try sitting him on your lap and you  
eat them. I bet eventually he will go for them himself. 
 
I remember really tying myself up in knots over what/when to feed my son. All 
the books tell you the first steps, but then they sort of leave you hanging. I 
now realize, except for introducing allergens or choking hazards, there isnt 
much to do wrong. Evne waiting too long to introduce lumpy food wont make any 
difference in the long run. 
 
Good Luck! 
Laura Floom 

P.s. sorry to not list the allergens and choking hazards, but off the top of my 
head I cant give a complete list, but I do remember seeing them in all sorts
of books.
From: birgenom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T.B. Shows/ Maureen Sion)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Musical Tapes For babies/toddlers
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I read the FAQ on toys for kids regarding tape recorders which I
found very helpful but I did not notice any suggested tapes. (
(unless I missed it.)  My daughter is 13 months and I would like
to purchase a few tapes for a long car trip we will be taking.
I haven't even been to the store yet to check out the selection
or cost but I would love to hear what tapes have been a REALLY
BIG hit and what tapes are barely used.  (so I can avoid buying
the barely used tapes :>)

Any suggestions appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Maureen
BIrgenom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: laa@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (lu.ann.acerbi)
Subject: URGENT - BABBYSITTER NEEDED AUGUST 3-7
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:13:48 GMT
Keywords: backups failed


Does anyone know of someone who would be able to watch my 3 year
old the week of August 3-7?  My regular sitter will be on vacation,
and all my backups either had emergencies and can't sit that week, or
are also on vacation.  I live in Middlesex, NJ, so anywhere in the
Middlesex, Greenbrook, Piscataway, Dunellen area is fine.

Thanks.

LuAnn Acerbi
908-522-6301
33sec@usl.com or acerbi@usl.com
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