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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.175244.8634@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>	Okay...off onto a philosophical tangent:

>>	I'm not convinced that violence is a normal part of life. Maybe I'm
>>just lucky, but I have not been in a violent confrontation at all, although
>>there may have been some situations which could have turned violent (but I'll
>>never know now). Basically it seems to me that for the most part one can live
>>without violence, or maybe I'm just lucky so far.

>	Well, violence isn't a common part of life for the average Usenet
>reader (especially for folks in the .EDU domain!) - but conflict is extremely
>common and natural. 

Since I'm the one who started this philosophical tangent, I guess I
should clear up what I meant about violence being a "normal" part
of life. I did _not_ mean it was, necessarily, a _frequent_ event,
just that it was part of the way the world works and violent 
confrontations occasionally occur. As a analogy, earthquakes (or the
risk of earthquakes) are a normal part of life in California. Even though
major ones are extremely rare, no one goes around afterwards saying
things like "I never though something like this would happen to me."
(Except possibly for complete idiots.) Similarly, violent 
confrontations are rare (judging by my and my friend's experiences, I'd
say someone in the East Bay would wind up in such a situation only
once every two or three years.) However, I don't consider the
infrequency or the "unfairness" of this to be a ration excuse to 
pretend such situations won't happen.

                                             Frank Crary
                                             CU Boulder


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:43:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.182449.9490@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>Lovret in "The Way and the Power" states about sitting in seiza that
>	"Beginners find this position agonizing, but
>	 after a few years, it becomes quite comfortable."
>It struck me that this could refer to just about anything in the practice
>of a martial art, and the process of learning it.  Could this be a useful
>description of the overall nature of what we study :-)?

It could apply to much more than martial arts: There is a Russian
proverb, that you can get used to anything, if you do it long 
enough; even being hung (as in executed.)

                                          Frank Crary
                                          CU Boulder
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From: darias@.com (Dan Arias)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Reply-To: darias@oracle.UUCP (Dan Arias)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:55:03 GMT
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Maybe the best way to explain ki is by examples to which people
can directly relate.  Remember that ki is just a name for a
the concept of total and unified self-immersion and
self-projection.  American professional athletes refer to
this with terms such as `confidence', `rhythm' or `playing
within oneself'.

Examples of ki flow include:

Nolan Ryan pitching a no-hitter.
Will Clark's swing.
A Michael Jordan dunk.
A Magic Johnson no-look pass.

What I like about aikido is that it isolates this idea and
works with it directly and from the very beginning of training.
This differs from many American sports in which the training
initially emphasizes proficiency and competition over relationship
and communion with the self.  There is often a denial of self in
the pursuit of competitiveness, e.g., it's okay to play without
stretching or to play injured.  Only later in one's training is
the `mystical' side of things addressed.

--Dan
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: Green Flash Associates, SA
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 13:26:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <13686@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.151625.7173@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>>
>>     A friend of mine has a problem with his Tai Chi practice, which I will
>>present to the net for solutions.  He has assiduously practiced for several
>>years, and has recently acquired a pair of Nike pump sport shoes.  Now each
>>time he fa jings, the pumps inflate suddenly and blow out.  Is this a known
>>manufacturing defect, or is he simply misdirecting his chi?  This problem is
>>rapidly becoming expensive.
>>
> 
>   This is a serious problem.  In fact the only known solution
>   is to, I know this may sound radical, practice in your
>   barefeet.  We kendo players have known for years that ki
>   shoots out the bottom of our feet.  This is why none of us 
>   dares to wear shoes during class.  If you need more info
>   you should talk with my friend Stumpy.
> 
>-- 
>Robert Stroud
>Obukan Kendo Club
>Portland Oregon USA
>roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com

Thank you Robert!  I talked to my friend, and we figured out that the
inflatable soles were acting as a reservoir for chi.  As he rooted himself,
the chi would accumulate and blow out the top.

     There are now two solutions: yours, and the one I saw in the latest
MeikDo (tm) catalog.  They have a new Chi Re$ervoir, specifically for 
people who emit chi in unexpected ways and do not wish to injure themselves
or others.  Remember that guy in San Francisco who got hemmorrhoids from
improper Chi Kung practice?  Coulda helped him, I'll bet.  So I think we
can attach one of these little Activated Spiritual Charcoal suckers to the
pumps, and voila!  No more embarassing chi blowouts!

     Now the question is this.  You are supposed to replace the re$servoir
when it glows a faint green when placed in a dark spot.  But how do you
safely dispose of a charged chi re$servoir?  I'd hate to see some kid find
it.  One accidental discharge and the poor kid would be leaking chi from
his meridians for years...

	David Pipes
Making the world safe for dessert toppings.
robear@digex.com

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From: leiwo@phoenix (Jussi Leiwo)
Subject: Taido/Hakamas
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:39:39 GMT


Hi !

I'm about to bore you with Taido again. Last spring nobody knew about it, and
now I'd like to know if there are anybody who knows where I could order a pair 
of hakamas. Please, if you know, so let me know, too. You can answer here or
contact me.

We are having a little problem here in finland, because the lady who used to
make hakamas quitted and a new person haven't been found.

It would also be nice to hear about somebody who has been training Taido, 
though he/she can't help with hakamas.

Thanks for reading this !

Jussi Leiwo
leiwo@phoenix.oulu.fi
From: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:48:09 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<1992Sep25.004825.12390@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

Test Fees are not bogus in many cases.  My sensei used to charge $20+ for each
belt test, regardless of color/level.  (I think it might have been $10 extra
for black belt test, but nothing close to the hundreds range).  These fees
helped keep the dojo running, because with a mere $50 or so per month fee, and
he'd waive the fees in many cases for students if they worked hard or attended
an extra workout session, it got to the point where he was just making ends
meet.

The fees do NOT change even when the National President of the organization
visits to administer the black belt exam.

I was very lucky to find such a kind, caring sensei whose only concern was the
students' progress, and not his wallet.


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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Katanas, help! 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:26:45 +0000


In article <1992Oct1.180324.2882@wkuvx1.bitnet> paschjc@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>
>
>I have tried and tried to find a book or manual on traditional
>Japanese sword fighting.  I have failed miserably.  If anyone
>has any information about this subject, I would greatly a
>appreciate it.
>
The Deity and the Sword by Risuke Otake, in three volumes
Bugei Ju-Happan, The Spirit of Samurai by Masayoshi Nakajima
& Shigeru Nakajima.

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Xref: sparky rec.martial-arts:12752 talk.politics.guns:21566
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 21:33:45 PST
From: <MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups:           rec.martial-arts,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A little on self defense (what should I carry ?)
 <1992Sep17.185450.19280@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>

In article <1992Sep17.185450.19280@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>, jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU
(Jim Heath) says:
>
>From article <1992Sep16.190623.12861@PA.dec.com>, by stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com
>(Todd I. Stark):
>>
>> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes...
>>>cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>>
>
>I found the book "Cold Steel" (don't remember the author) to be
>very interesting.  Isn't a stick big enough to be useful
>generally considered a deadly weapon?  Of course, I have seen
>reports of all manner of things being charged under this heading,
>including a frozen fish and a frozen turkey.
>--
>"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
>Though all the world betrays thee.
>One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
>One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
A stick of a size to be usefull is called a walking stick.  Equipped
with a rubber cushion on one end and a bit of cording wrapped around
the other end, a hardwood jo, available at most martial arts supply
houses, makes a excellent defensive weapon.  Like any other weapon,
tho, inorder to be effective it must be practiced with and the
skills taught by someone very proficient in the art.  Doesn't
hurt to have a   spray can of capsium pepper (to defend against
wild dogs of course) handy as well.  The problem with any defensive
weapon of course, is that in California, it is considered very
bad form to not be a victim.  Fighting back not only threatens
the criminal assailent, but also the image of many political
police chiefs, and some of the macho-duck cops on the beat.
After all, if we start taking responsibility for our own safety
we might just start thinking that the law doesn't "BELONG" to the
politicans, the lawyers, and the cops.

Standard Disclaimers
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Source for Hung Gar Books
Date: 4 Oct 1992 01:06:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

Last week, someone asked about Hung Gar books.  I posted that
Jamal al-Bakkar has some out.  Yesterday, I received this e-mail:

Hope it helps.

Terry

-From sch@unx.sas.com Fri Oct  2 10:32:22 1992
-Subject: Hung Gar Books (Jamal)
-Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30]
-
-I don't have post access to rec.m-a anymore, but do read it occassionally.
-Perhaps you could post this for me....
-
-Jamal is my Shotokan instructor. He also teaches Hung Gar, and does have a 
-series of books (softcopy) on Hung Gar. He can be reached at:
-
-Triangle Martial Arts
-3023 Hillsborough St.
-Raleigh, N.C. 27607
-(919) 832-4842
-
---
-Steve Holzworth
-sch@unx.sas.com
-x6872
-SAS Institute - Open Systems R & D
-Cary, N.C.
-
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From: Jean_Lemire@mindlink.bc.ca (Jean Lemire)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Iaido in Vancouver
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:05:47 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Does anyone know of an Iaido Dojo in Vancouver, Canada?

I would appreciate it if you replied directly to me.

Jean Lemire
Asia Pacific Management Cooperative Program
Vancouver, Canada
GEnie: J.Lemire
Internet: Jean_Lemire@mindlink.bc.ca
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Protocol & instructors of othr styles
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:41:10 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <1992Oct2.164542.2742@mtroyal.ab.ca> mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>
>How do you address the instructor from another style in open style tournaments.
>Assume no grudge or adulation.  And, what are the titles of instructors in
>TKD, HKD, Aikdo or Jujitsu?

Personally, if'n they wear a white gi, I calls 'em Sensei, and if'n they wears
a black gi, I calls 'em Sifu.  I suppose if'n they's wearing a white gi with
black trim, I should call 'em Sabunim, but I've never been quite sure how
it's pronounced.

A bit simplistic, I suppose, but I haven't been beaten up yet.

>Thanks for your time

Glad I could help.

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...Ch'en worked in a drugstore on the
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |second story...and at noon each day he
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |would leave for lunch in an eccentric
55428                |                |way: he would stroll out the window..."
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From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.182449.9490@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>Lovret in "The Way and the Power" states about sitting in seiza that
>
>	"Beginners find this position agonizing, but
>	 after a few years, it becomes quite comfortable."
>
>It struck me that this could refer to just about anything in the practice
>of a martial art, and the process of learning it.  Could this be a useful
>description of the overall nature of what we study :-)?

No truer words have been spoke! As a white belt in Hapkido, I crawl home feelinglike I need to soak in a tub of Absorbine Jr.. Ha! beat me up, throw me on the
pavement, there's nothing you can do to me that MA training already hasn't! :-)


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  Ta Ta For Now      | Beware of the demon Wizzy Wig, the father of 
        Tim          | typographic lies... 
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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:26:09 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <MARY.92Sep29183255@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>My conclusion is that it wouldn't work well for staff techniques.  
>A standard pool cue (is there such a thing?) probably most closely
>resembles a jo, but it's still about six inches too long...which is
>long enough that you couldn't just pick it up and use it, you'd have
>to practice with it to get used to the difference.  It might be also
>just a little too long for some jo techniques (particularly thinking
>of reverses here).  But more than that, a pool cue is strongly weighted
>toward one end.  You notice this "endedness" immediately...it has a 
>very strong effect.  The feel and behavior is very different from that
>of a staff, which is evenly balanced.  One end swings too easy, the other
>end swings too hard...it really throws you off, because in staff styles
>both ends swing the same, and so you don't have to worry about what 
>end of the staff you're swinging.  I didn't try very hard...there
>are people called "bouncers" who roam pool halls on the lookout for
>people swinging pool cues...but it seems to me that standard staff
>techniques just wouldn't work with a pool cue.  If I had to use one,
>I'd try striking with the light end and go to end it with a single hit, 
>or just swing it like a baseball bat.

I'm used to working with weapons from pretty short to quite
long, and I'm used to working with single-ended weapons
(weapons whose two ends are very different sizes). I found
I had a rather different problem with pool cues: they are too
brittle. They have the nastiest habit of snapping in the
middle of some pretty standard spins. The compensation is 
that the break seems to leave a nice sharp end. I would
be very reluctant to swing one like a baseball bat, though;
too much chance of breaking it and ending up with the
less effective half. I think I might just break the cue
across an opponent and then use the sharp end resulting
from the break.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:24:56 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <717443327snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
>A clear sign that airport security people don't read 18th and 19th
>century manuals on English Cane Fighting.  If they did they would

	Niether do I!  But I'd like to.  Can you post some info on obtaining
such material?
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <065620.11525@pixel.kodak.com>, lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund) writes:
>>After all, if I'm taking an academic course, I don't expect to
>>have to pay extra just to take my finals and pass on to the next sequence.

>But in a sense, you do.  You pay by the term, which includes the test fee.  :-)
>And if you fail, you pay again.  8-}

	In either case, you pay a fee for a service, the service being the
	education you receive.  The purpose of an exam is to validate that
	the lesson has been learned, as well as to validate that the lesson
	has been properly taught.  It also serves as a pre-qualification for
	the student to enter the next round.  Thus, the test is not the goal,
	it's merely the measuring of the real goal... an education.
	If a school is going to charge a separate fee for the measuring of what
	it is in the business to teach, then the student might as well charge
	the school a fee for taking the test, to confirm that the school has done the
	job for which it has already been paid in tuition.

	Charging a separate test fee is like charging a separate fee for electricity,
	heating, supplies, posters, etc. used in the school.
	
>	In late 20th century America, it is proper to call a PhD "doctor".  I call our
>head instructor Shihan because that is his title.  Shihan is sometimes
>translated to "master" or "master instructor" or "instructor's instructor", but
>the most accurate translation is simply "guide".

>Keep in mind that "karate master" is more along the lines of "master carpenter",
>rather than "my master".
>
>In any case, I have no problem referring to people by their title, even if their
>title is "Oh most powerful deity of all that walks among us."  I have no problem
>calling a person by a set of syllables, without letting the syllables mean
>anything to me.
	I don't call a master carpenter master, I call him Bob, although I may be
	amazed at the skill he has.  I don't care if a person calls himself
	"Powerful Deity," but I have to wonder when he expects other people to
	call him that, and to treat him as such, and to bow to him.  Now, such
	may be part of some cultures, but it's artificial in late 20th century
	America.  It has about as much relationship to actual fighting as, well,
	kata does.  I realize it's part of the martial arts mystique, but if
	mystique doesn't contribute to fighting ability, it's not something I
	care about.

	I recognize that many people feel at home with all the traditional trappings,
	and this isn't a slam on them... it's just my own opinion.

	Dave			  		

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From: simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis)
Subject: Taekwondo _will_ be in the 96 Olympics
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:45:18 GMT


Or, at least, most probably.

I sat at dinner this evening with a Jerome R Reitenbach, Vice President
of United States Taekwondo Union, of San Francisco (according to his
business card which he was kind enough to give me.

He works with USOC and IOC, and was recently in Barcelona when the 
president of the WTF was elected an IOC vice president.  Mr Reitenbach
told us that taekwondo will remain at least a demonstration sport so long
as it is a Pan-American Games sport, and with the head of the WTF lobbying
(and a "couple million dollars") it may well become a full medal sport.

He agreed that taekwondo had been sort of shaky, but now was pretty
solid again, and was unlikely to be dropped.

An interesting and most unexpected pleasure to discover such a man at
an academic dinner!

John

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From: s090@brems.ii.uib.no (Kjartan Clausen)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Organization: DevNull A/S
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:48:07 GMT

In article <BvEA0o.Mz2@news.udel.edu>, gion@chopin.udel.edu (Timothy C. Gion) writes:
|> In article <eric.t.zmarzly.1-290992200723@129.74.199.127> eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
|> >try to explain Aikido.  I use such words as redirecting the attack, but
|> >that does not capture to sense of Aikido and Ki and all that weird stuff. 
|> >If I start speaking of such things, people get put off by it, as Notre Dame
|> >is extremely catholic and very conservative on such matters.  I am not sure
|> 
|> If you are worried about explaining ki, you might want to use the 'scientific'
|> explanantion... invisible energy that surrounds the universe... 
|> 
Or you can take examples from the real world where people use it without knowing what it is.
Like a guy I heard of, who during WW2 was aboard a transportship on its way to Europe.
During a bombing raid the ship got hit by a 200kg bomb, but the bomb didn't explode.
The guy, terribly afraid, ran over to the bomb and literally threw it overboard.
They tested his strength later and he wasn't able to lift half of that weigh
under normal circumstances.

-- 
       Kjartan Clausen           Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  Institutt for Informatikk      The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Universitetet i Bergen       Beware the jubjub bird, and shun
     s090@brems.ii.uib.no        The frumious Bandersnatch !
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