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From: lapworth@mizar.usc.edu (Bill Lapworth)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Double Black Diamonds at Mammoth
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:01:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Dave, how could you!  IMHO a double black diamond should be reserved for
runs where you stand a good chance of serious injury if a fall occurs, and
that such rock strewn elevator shafts are the domain of hard core experts
only.

Well, I was at Mammoth on 11/6, and saw a brochure they had mailed to 
prior year season ticket holders.  The mountain map was covered with
double black diamonds (no, I don't remember which runs, all I remember
is thinking that 95% of the designations were bs.)  

Are other areas bowing to the marketing pressure to have double D's?

Anyway, I've never seen so few people on the mountain. I guessed about 300
people, my friend who works there said it was more like 200 - with 1,2,3,5 
and upper gondola open!
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Subject: Double black diamonds at Mammoth
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Dave, how could you!  IMHO a double black diamond should be reserved for
runs where you stand a good chance of serious injury if a fall occurs, and
that such rock strewn elevator shafts are the domain of hard core experts
only.

Well, I was at Mammoth on 11/6, and saw a brochure they had mailed to 
prior year season ticket holders.  The mountain map was covered with
double black diamonds (no, I don't remember which runs, all I remember
is thinking that 95% of the designations were bs.)  

Are other areas bowing to the marketing pressure to have double D's?

Anyway, I've never seen so few people on the mountain. I guessed about 300
people, my friend who works there said it was more like 200 - with 1,2,3,5 
and upper gondola open!
From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:56:28 GMT
	<1992Nov16.204556.29374@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
	<1992Nov18.023520.6376@nas.nasa.gov>
	<1992Nov18.195849.8938@clarinet.com>
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.195849.8938@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
In article <1992Nov18.023520.6376@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>>>I don't regard Asian cultures as highly conducive to skiing.
>>> why not?
>>1) Greater stress by our cultures toward education and work and less on
>>"play."  
>  There's the problem.  Not enough people see skiing as an important part of
>  one's overall education!  

I do.  one of the main reasons I decided to go for a thesis here in
Ootah is to get a few more years of skiing (and climbing) in before
moving on.  Of course, being in a good lab helps things loads, but...

There are *easier* ways to ski/hike/bike/climb than flailing about in
an _ad hoc_ MD/PhD program, of course...

>   Seriously though, I find the "greater stress" part worrysome, I thought
>   things were bad enough here.  In my statistically insignificant opinion 
>   of one,  in the majority of North American, and majority of people, there
>   is still an overriding Puritan work ethic:  work and school are "good," and
>   except in extremely small and controlled (not to mention socially
>   condoned) doses, fun and/or unemployment are bad.

Ah, grasshopper, you have not been raised with the Confucian work
ethic -- 4 out of 5 Asian-Americans recommend it over the Puritan
type.

heh heh

>   It seems any time I mention the idea of quitting my job and ski bumming it
>   for a year or two, I immediately become an outcast.   In fact, I have yet
>   to meet one person who says "Cool idea."

Wow.  Cool idea Grant.  Go for it.  That's how I ended up here in
Ootah in the first place.  School was secondary, when I decided to "get
a real life" (tm) -- (not that graduate school in any way resembles
real life of course)

>   If I understand Eugene correctly, then I empathize with Asians for whom
>   such an idea would not merely be socially undesireable, it would be akin to
>   heresy!

OK, I'm a heretic.  So what.

   >To stress: I mean people take real flak for not towing the work
   >ethic line,                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
    ^^^^^^^^^^

Is this referring to water skiing?  Or the new, extended rope tow at Alta?

   >especially closer to 1st generation immigrants.  

Hey, I'm first-gen born here in the USA.  My parents took me skiing
when I was little, even though they had never been before, either. 

   >Stress on
   >academics, wait until you get to be an adult (at which time you don't
   >have time), etc.
 
Perhaps there is a middle path...

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From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Re: Please! Name our ski team
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:54:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <BLANE.92Nov18172722@hobbes.sanders.lockheed.com> blane@hobbes.sanders.lockheed.com (Michael Blane) writes:
>Hello netters,
>  We are uncreative and need help choosing a name for our corporate NASTAR
>team.  Previous monikers include Sprockets and Frost Heaves, so please, 
>don't suggest one of those.  I will post a summary, so start thinking....
>

Well, off the top of my head:
	How about "The Lockheed Lust Commandos"?

C'mon, Net, I know you can come up with names more off-the-wall than
that. Don't let me down...
From: ewg@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ethan Gannett)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:58:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Skiamericard Woes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

I bought a SkiAmericard last year and found that I rarely used it since I could
get comparable (or better!) deals via Gold C or Safeway.

When SkiAmericard called me on the phone to renew my card, I told the guy on
the phone this fact and he said, "Oh, okay" and hung up!  Wow, talk about soft
sell.  They must hear this line so much that they don't even bother arguing
against it ... thank goodness.  I agree, SkiAmericaCard isn't worth it.

Ethan Gannett
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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: Getting from Reno to S. Lake Tahoe
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:52:56 GMT

tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup)) writes:


>   The title says it. I want to go skiing without having to rent a car.
>I will be in Reno the week of Jan 11. Forget Greyhound. They go thru
>Sacramento to get there (how convenient!). I got the phone number for
>the S. Lake Tahoe Chamber of Commerce. No answer. 


>                    Thanx in advance!

>                             Dave H.



BUT, why do you want to go to S. Lake Tahoe without a car for an entire
week?  That means you will have to ski Heavenly every day.  I can't
imagine anything more of drag than that!

Rent a car.  Go to Kirkwood, Alpine Meadows, Squaw, Homewood, Mt. Rose!


********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

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From: petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD)
Subject: Re: re: Norwegian Wood
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:45:51 GMT

In article <By191F.5rr@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
>Subject: re: Norwegian Wood
>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:00:51 GMT
>In article <1992Nov19.122100.5638W@baron.edb.tih.no> sveint@edb.tih.no writes:
>>To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.
>>I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
>>useful about skiing.
>>What I found was this:
>>A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!
>>You guys have really got a problem.
>>A serious one.
>>
>>I'll be looking forward to any response to this.
>>
>>					Svein Tjoenndal
>>           Cross-country skiing, the first (and real) winter sport
>>           was invented in Norway by vikings about 500 AD. 
>>           (I guess you just didn't know...)
>
>    This makes me feel very guilty, and I apologize Svein, for not
>keeping your needs in mind. I've meditated on your sig. and have
>come up with some "real" ski issues that even the Vikings should be
>able to get interested in...
>
>1. Everytime I ski glades, the damned horns sticking out of my helmet
>get caught in the branches. I tried replacing them with rubber horns,
>which would bend, but the rest of the Vikings tease me. What should I
>do ?
>
>2. As a sign of respect for the inventors of cross country skiing, I
>always wear a Viking helmet when I go. Unfortunately, it is rutting 
>season in the north woods, and moose keep attacking me. I left my
>shield home because I could not carry both it and my poles. Is anyone
>else having this problem ?
>
>3. Why is it that the disrespectful U.S. touring centers do not carry
>Tuborg beer in their bars ? Perhaps they don't know who invented this
>sport ?
>
>Any others that I missed ?      
>
>                                Have a good weekend,
>
>                                              jc in me.
>
It's okay to be sarcastic but do it right! Tuborg is not Norwegian, it's 
Danish!! 

Petter - who prefer Norwegian beer....
From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Closest ski area to San Jose?
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:53:18 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <jog.722050711@kpc.com> jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog) writes:
>joynt@titania.etdesg.trw.com (Robert M. Joynt) writes:
>
>>
>>What is the closest ski
>>area to San Jose and what is the drive time? I have thought about South
>>Lake Tahoe but the travel time looks like 4hours. Any suggestions?
>
>
>You're not likely to do too much better.  Kirkwood, Iron Mountain, Bear
>Valley & Dodge Ridge are slightly better: ~3:15-3:30 hours; also 
>Boreal (right off I-80 near Donner Summit) *might* be less than 4 hours. 
>^^^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

If you're at Donner Summit, (which is where Boreal is) why not ski Sugar Bowl?
Much better, no further.  Of course, the original post asked about the weekend
of 12/4/92, and that early, Boreal will very likely be the only thing open.

I've found that the travel time is about the same to Heavenly Valley (South
Lake Tahoe) as to Sugar Bowl.  This early in the season, you'll want to verify
that the gefluggen*@#! ski area is even *open* before you make any big plans and
start piling into the rent-a-cruiser. 

If you leave San Jose at non-rush hour, and pass through Sacramento at non-
rush hour, and if you haven't any irrational, perverse need to obey speed 
limits, then you can get to Sugar Bowl in about 3.5 hours. 

Hal
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Please! Name our ski team
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:14:41 GMT

In article <BLANE.92Nov18172722@hobbes.sanders.lockheed.com>, 
  blane@hobbes.sanders.lockheed.com (Michael Blane) writes:

>   We are uncreative and need help choosing a name for our corporate NASTAR
> team.  Previous monikers include Sprockets and Frost Heaves, so please, 
> don't suggest one of those.  I will post a summary, so start thinking....

Hmm...
>Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.

How about Knockneed Skiers, Inc. ?  Or the LockHeedless Skiers.  Or
Air Lockheed.

When I was on the NCAR TeamSki team, we were the NCARvers.  My favorite
team name was the National Park Service (NPS) who had two teams, the
Narly Powder Snakes and the Nasty Pole Smashers.

Sorry Chuck, we're not joining the team this year!

-- 
/\     There may be honor among thieves, but there's none among politicians.
  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
      \______________________________________________________________________
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 23:15:08 CST
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Non-toxic and/or "citrus" wax removers (?)

In getting my skis ready for the new season I've about finished my bottle
of wax remover.  I know that there are citrus based wax removers on the
market that are supposedly non-toxic and would appreciate benefiting from
the wisdom of anyone who's tried them.  The bottle that I'm finishing is
a Kwik product called "Citra Kleen".  I thought I was trying one of the
non-toxics when I bought it but I failed to read the fine print.  It
works fine, smells great, but is petroleum distillate based.

Any non-toxics you'd recommend?  Any you've tried and didn't like?
Many thanks.

  -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU        Univ. of Ill. @ Chicago
_____________________________________________________________________________
The world's oldest ... ski race, the Vasaloppet, annually attracts about 9000
Sweeds and about 1500 foreigners....  In completing the 85-km course, the
average racer loses four to five pounds ... equivalent to having 280 racers
disappear completely during the course of the event.
                         -- J. Caldwell & M. Brady (1982) _Citizen Racing_
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From: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup))
Subject: Getting from Reno to S. Lake Tahoe
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:56 EST  


   The title says it. I want to go skiing without having to rent a car.
I will be in Reno the week of Jan 11. Forget Greyhound. They go thru
Sacramento to get there (how convenient!). I got the phone number for
the S. Lake Tahoe Chamber of Commerce. No answer. 


                    Thanx in advance!

                             Dave H.


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From: trdavis@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Tracy R. Davis)
Subject: Re: To all of you who call yourselves skiers...
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:51:59 GMT

In <1992Nov19.122100.5638W@baron.edb.tih.no> sveint@edb.tih.no (Svein Gunnar Tjoenndal,o92b) writes:

>To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.
>I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
Sven what exactly is a conference?
>useful about skiing.
You have obviously not read the many informative and entertaining posts on 
this group. Could that be due to the fact that your reading skills are similar
to your spelling skills?
>What I found was this:
>A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!
I may be a nerd but I will see you at the top of Taos, Alta or Snowbird anytime.
I've forgotten more about skiing than you will ever know.
>You guys have really got a problem.
>A serious one.
My only problem is that I don't get to ski enough.
--
|Tracy R. Davis                         |  This space intentionally   |
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From: Paul_Revell@mindlink.bc.ca (Paul Revell)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb this weekend!!!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:23:06 GMT

> Tim Nickles writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <tnickles.722212780@beagle>
> Posted: 19 Nov 92 22:39:40 GMT
>
> Org.  : University of Colorado, Boulder
>
> chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee) writes:
>
> >Although Whistler and Blackcomb have planned to open Nov. 25/26, there is
> a
> >snow warning up for Whistler and if they get a good dumping of snow,
> expect
> >it open early...maybe this weekend!!!  See you up there!!!
>
> >         ___________________________________________________________
> >        /|       /|  /|     ||  //                                  |
> >       / |      / | / | //\\|| //  _____ _____  Chris McKee         |
> >       | |     //||//||||   ||//   ||    ||     Simon Fraser        |
> >       | |    // | / || \\//|/\\   ||___ ||___  University,         |
> >       | |   //  |/  ||     || \\  ||    ||     Vancouver, B.C.     |
> >       | |  //       ||     ||  \\ ||    ||     Canada              |
> >       | | //        ||     ||   \\||___ ||___  chrism@sfu.ca       |
> >       | |__________________________________________________________|
> >       |/__________________________________________________________/
>
>
> you dirty dogs.
>
>

According to the latest message on the Whistler snow phone (604)687-6761,
they won't be open before Wednesday, Nov.25.  The mountain reports a 62 cm.
base on Friday, Nov. 20 with heavy snow falling through the night.  It's -5c
in the Alpine and sure looks like ski weather to me.
From: bruno@fc.hp.com (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:35:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BxxA80.LD7
Organization: /STD/CoLL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

> Great black running back.  Tremendously strong legs.

He was on the US bobsled team during the last winter olympics...

bruno.
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From: grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: colorado ski report at ncardata.ucar.edu ??
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Keywords: Gone skiin'
Organization: NCAR, Research Applications Program
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:45:56 GMT



rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes:
>Someone posted the following about the Colorado ski report:
>> You can get this information by FTP from ncardata.ucar.edu
>>[128.117.8.111] in the directory 'weather' in the file CO_ski.rpt.
>> It's updated at least daily.

>Well, the file has been "updated" daily, but the ski report contained in
>the file is still from 11/9/92.  Why isn't the information getting updated
>to the current day's report?

>Does anyone know what's happening?

Everyone at NCAR has gone skiing for a week, so the file you seek is
merely a copy of the old one until somebody gets back and changes it.
For instance, this followup is computer-generated in response to questions
like these when we've all left.

-- 
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: mhartzel@shanghai.cba.du.edu (Mark_Hartzell)
Subject: Do any good tele movies exist?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 03:02:02 GMT

	The recent snow has got me excited about telemarking.  Does anyone  
know of any telemarking movies, and if they are worthwhile watching.   
Please send the responce to Mark_Hartzell@denver.cba.du.edu.
Thanks for your help
Mark
From: rmeester@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Richard Meesters)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Custom Insoles
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:16:34 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario

dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann) writes:
: In article <l9z108=@rpi.edu>, halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu writes:
: |> half-price, and the insoles are 'free'. I'm more concerned with the
: |> effectiveness of the insoles a opposed to the deal.
:
Even discounting all the hubub about the skiamericard, I'd be highly suspect
about what type of insoles they are referring to.  If you wan't the best fit
for your feet, you have to go to a _custom_ footbed:  ie Superfeet or 
Petersons.  Or possibly even better, go to an orthotic shop and have a set 
made by a specialist for your feet.
 
: To answer your question, I just bought some new boots and got custom
: insoles made.  I think they are called SuperFeet.  They do improve the
: fit of my boots noticeably (the sales guy claimed I had strong pronation
: [flattening of the feet] and that the insoles would help me a lot.  Many
: other people have told me that custom insoles are well worth the money.

I've had superfeet for quite some time and I find them great except for one
minor problem.  The superfeet I have have high toe ridges and sometimes I 
get my big toe over the ridge instead of in the hollow where it should be.
This rubs and gives some pain.

Superfeet (The cork moulded insole) are great for your ski boots, but I 
wouldn't reccomend them for running shoes because they're HARD.  The first
few days I had mine, it felt like my feet had taken a pounding.  Then I got 
used to them.

I'm going to try my orthotics (Full length foam moulded) in my ski boots 
this year and see if there's any significant difference.

: |> Any comments ASAP would be greatly appreciated as it looks like I'm
: |> my new boots on Monday.

Hope this isn't too late!! I wouldn't spend the time trying on the boots 
until after you've had the insoles made.  The boot is going to feel quite
a bit different when you have the insoles in, and it's a good idea to try
them that way.

Hope this helps,
Regards,

Richard Meesters	            |     THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR....
Systems Software Specialist         |     ...someone else.
NCR Canada.                         |

EMAIL:  richard.meesters@canada.ncr.ca   Voice:  (416)819-4233
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From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata)
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:56:35 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov18.053148.11640@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:

>Skiing in Japan is, for lack of a better word, incredible.  Lines like
>you would not believe for runs that should not be called a run.  

Absolutely!
When I was in Tokyo,I used to go skiing every weekend,driving on highway
crowded with many cars with crazy skiiers ,like me :-). 
In order to avoid fatal traffic jam,I left my house midnight,
reached ski area,say,at 3:00 am,and started skiing at 6:00am after 
taking a few hours nap in my car.
Yes,lifts start working at 4:30am,stop at 10:00pm.
It's nothing but crazy,isn't it?
So I was disappointed that lifts stopped at 5:00 pm when I went skiing
to Corolado for the first time.

>Of
>course the northernmost island, Hokkaido, has good snow and I think may
>be hosting a future Olymics, but skiing on the mainland is crazy.

1970 Winter Olympic was already held in Sapporo,Hokkaido.
Nagano,which has the largest area in mainland of Japan,is candidate
for 1998 Winter Olympic.

>just my $.02

>Gen
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   CONVEX COMPUTER CORPORATION
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From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: The most challenging runs in the world
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:41:26 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog) writes:
>Recent postings have compared various ski runs for steepness and
>challenge.  This got me thinking about what really makes a run
>challenging.

>I'd say the most interesting question is not which run is most
>challenging, but how you bring challenge to your runs.

Great question !! The last line says it all.  Each person has their
own level of perfection and with that comes their own challenge no
matter what the activity.  You can ask the same question of doing a
rock climb.  Some dog their way up a hard climb and say they have done
it, others will try and do it with as much grace and style as
possible. On a beatiful untracked slope my challenged is to do as many
perfect turns as possible.  On a steep slope with crusted snow in
the trees my challenge is to stay alive. If I succeed on both then I
met my challenge.  Someone else has their own challenge may be it is
the same may be it different.  It does matter as long as they are
happy with their results and if they are not they can always try
again.

Cheers,

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"Great spirits have always encounter violent opposition from
mediocre minds."
	- Albert Einstein
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