HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: esser@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chris Esser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ProPage Bug maybe????
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:33:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep7.102556.10450@sfu.ca> flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.040954.27486@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wbennett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William F Bennett) writes:
>>
>>     I have come across a what I think is a bug in ProPage 2.0. I am
>>currently running 2.04 from ROM on a 2000 accelerated with a GVP 030/50 
>>combo board. ProPage is running off the HD. The problem I run into is when
>>I load propage then try to reopen a project that I had previously saved,
>>the program crashes if that file uses non-CGFonts. If however I load a file
>>that has CGFonts or create a new one with CGFonts I can load the non-CGFont
>>file without any problem. This phenomenon doesn't happen on a non accelerated
>>1.2 ROM 2000.
>
>Reopening my old non-CGfont documents works flawlessly on my A3000 with
>a 2.04 kickfile.  Maybe you don't have all the necessary bitmap fonts
>and metric files installed on your A2000.
>

PPage will work fine with a kickfile.  However, Gold Disk is aware of problems
with PPage crashing under the 2.04 ROMS, and especially with systems using
2.04 ROMS _AND_ an accelerator.  Although I haven't had crashes while loading
files, I have almost always had them upon exiting.  I simply exit PPage with
a reboot.  As I said, Gold Disk is aware of some problems, and is currently
working on fixing them, after which all registered users will receive an
updated version in the mail.  Since Gold Disk might not have encountered your
problem, either call or write them, so they can be sure to have it fixed in
the next release.

-Chris
From: nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the Fat Wok   )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 Sound
Date: 12 Sep 92 08:49:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep12.025347.8343@cs.rose-hulman.edu> gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn) writes:
>
>CURSE!!!!  Same old sound.... :{  *BIG frown!!!
>
>(Of course, all the other features are GREAT!!!!)
>
>Brian

	I was at the show today (11th) and Jim Dionne said the audio
upgrade was still being worked on. Maybe on Saturday some of the
tech guys will elaborate. BTW, the 4000 is a very nice machine for
the projected price; just wish it would deinterlace some of those
higher rez modes (at least 800X600X256). Also you can't set overscan
properly for those 8bp Productivity (oops, can't set it at ALL I
mean) and can't set it for the other non-interlaced modes either. If
you want overscan you get flicker. (If ever I saw 'classy' flicker
(you know, while showing a HAM8 pic at 800X600) that's it)

-Njv-
From: Eric.Lanier@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Eric Lanier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Test
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:41:11 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

Testing, please disregard.

 * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] 

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From: d87mt@efd.lth.se (Magnus Thelander)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Reply-To: d87mt@efd.lth.se (Magnus Thelander)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:23:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.154259.22497@cco.caltech.edu> toddal@cco.caltech.edu (Todd Michael Allendorf) writes:
>was a public conference, not a private developer's conference.  They intend
>to follow through on all these projects.

   Do they have the money? The developments mentioned must be quite
costly, and C= is after all a small player in this business. Don't
get me wrong. I'd really like, to see these new features in an
Amiga at a competitional price.

Magnus

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: s36399s@taltta.hut.fi (Harri Holopainen)
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:15:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.133230.12650@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rmwhapham@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>problems experiencing problems with SiliconMenus and a similar Tools menu 
>utility?  Is there something I can do to fix this (aside from giving up 
>ToolsDaemon)?  As always, thanks in advance...
>
>Rob Whapham
>Etc. Publishing

I've had some strange lockups & gurus (81000000f and the like) since i installed
siliconmenus. These don't seem to relate to any single application, but
the gurus have happened always when either closing or opening a new
window (quite rarely though). My friend reports enforcer hits every now
and then.
In addition to that, gadtoolsbox menus don't seem to work at all with SM
(no gurus, they just do nothing), and the workbench menu item 'backdrop'
seems to be the same way.
I'm not junking SM yet, but soon will if the lockups become less rare.
(which would be a shame, SM is great esp. on a 1000*1000 workbench)

--
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s36399s@taltta.hut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: BBC emulator help needed 
From: starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:02:57 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: No organisation at all

A mate of mine has a bbc emulator came with (THE CLASS OF THE 90's) pack
from commodore but in keeping with the strict and stringent controlls
there is no doc's for it
a call to commodore (NZ) got the reply Buggered if i know
so if anyone out there has used the said emulator

1. what cable do you need to transfer files from bbc to amiga

2. how do you do it

any help would be appreacted
THE
   KEYBOARD
           COMMANDER
                    T.T.F.N
thanks for any help

--
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            FROM ANON
                     A COMPUTER TO PRINT OUT A FACT
                     WILL DIVIDE MULTIPLY AND SUBTRACT
                     BUT THIS OUTPUT CAN BE
                     LITTLE MORE THAN DEBRIS
                     IF THE INPUT IS LESS THAN EXACT
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn)
Subject: A4000 Sound
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:53:47 GMT


CURSE!!!!  Same old sound.... :{  *BIG frown!!!

(Of course, all the other features are GREAT!!!!)

Brian
From: trat@amiganet.chi.il.us (Thomas Reamer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Help! My amiga can't walk! (Lost its feet)
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:42:35 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Ok, I'll get in on this....The first week I owned my A2000HD/P  One of the feet
popped off as I was lifting the box....There....I gave my 2 cents worth....No
lie here....it happened :(
From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: What is (infamous) RTG?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:36:57 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep15.172440.10032@daimi.aau.dk>, pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes:
> Often, RTG graphics are expressed wanted in the Amiga
> Operating System; what is it? Real Time Graphics?
> Real True Golour? (Honestly, I'm clueless about what
> RTG supposedly stands for)

  You must not be to far in your computer science studies.  :)

  RTG is Retargetable Transputer Gorgons.
         ^            ^          ^

  You place small microscopic Gorgons in you computer and they build and
  retarget a transputer.

  
  Perhaps you've heard of DIG (Device Independant Graphics)?  Same philosiphy.
  It is where the OS can simply use a driver of some sort to use every feature
  of an expansion product.  Most obvious case DIG/RTG?  Windows 3.1 with
  S/VGA cards, sound cards, etc...
 
  Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu
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From: rigby@pyramid.unr.edu (Wayne Rigby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The Amiga 4000 at WOC
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:53:22 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

A couple things I forgot to mention... Sound is the standard 8 bit sound,
which is fine by me, but a let down for several out there, I'm sure...  No
mention is made to AmigaVision being packaged with it, but I don't see why
not.

And the price tag....

$3699 for an A4000 - 040/120 with 2+4 MBs of RAM
From: au399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brad Donison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Aquarium beyond 690?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:21:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brad Donison)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wlanders@nexus.yorku.ca (W L Anderson) says:

>I'm looking for the updates to the Aquarium Database beyond Fred Fish disk 690.
>Do these exist yet and are they available for anon. ftp?
>
>Tom Hayko
>wlanders@nexus.yorku.ca
>

How does one merge the aquarium database updates with the main data
base?

I have NewAqua and it came with a database of 650 fish disks, I have the
update files: 651-660.lzh and 661-680.lzh and 681-690.lzh
The documentation mention another program which would merge the files,
but that program was not included.  I think it was called
merge<(something)>???  I have not been able to find out more about it.
Any info???

Thanx...
Brad..

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From: guru@hotcity.COM (Darren Schroeder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AA Chipset and NEW Amigas
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:38:28 GMT
Organization: BBS

Well I didn't clarify myself.. I said "Highest res..", I should have said
"Highest resolution in 256 colors".. He said nothing of any productivity modes.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:28:54 GMT

	Could those people who insist on crossposting advocacy material to
the misc group please F.O.A.D? It's getting damn annoying. Note where the
followups are going, where I won't read them. Flames to my mailbox, if you're
lucky I'll read it.

				Ian


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Dept. of Electrical Engineering, | Home : ianr@gpark.apana.org.au
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From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Silliness of the day
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:16:39 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>In article <la865kINN60@peaches.cs.utexas.edu>, Bryan Bayerdorffer writes:

>> 1. Own A2630 (v6 ROMs)
>> 2. Boot monitor
>> 3. Type 't 70000 80000'
>> 4. Enjoy, rinse, repeat.

My only problem is that I forgot how to get into the monitor, now.  :)
-- 
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"If an application takes two years to be developed, it's running at
0 MIPS, no matter what hardware platform it's running on" - Jobs
From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with the A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:47:42 GMT
Reply-To: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA


In article <1992Sep12.083819.17967@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>   For about a week or so, I've been promising to post my detailed explanation
>of exactly why Commodore's use of a super-cheap IDE HD interface in the A4000
>has very likely pushed the initial list prices higher than what they would have
>been had SCSI been used.

Oh thank you. I have been looking forward to this for ages.

>   The problem comes down to the architecture of the A4000 itself.  As has been
>rumored before, several good systems were canceled not long after DevCon '91,
>a year ago.  What has not been said is that these included all of the systems
>that Dave Haynie designed that incorporated the AA chipset.  Indeed, none of
>the new Amiga systems -- including the A4000 -- were designed by him.  They
>were designed in a rush by junior engineers at Commodore.  

Really? You seem to know a lot more about the internals of Commodore Engineering
than I do. Seeing as you already know so much about the A4000, maybe you should
take a look at the motherboard sometime. There, in the bottom right hand side,
are the names of the designers - Berlin and Haynie. Are these the junior
engineers you are waffling about?
 
<More waffle deleted>

>in particular the 2M Agnus chip.  The new Alice chip in the AA chipset -- the
>replacement for Agnus -- can potentially address 4M of chip RAM.  But since

Hmm. Lets see. Nope, according to the AA specs (I have them here, written by the
chip designers themselves), Alice can only address 2Mb of Chip RAM. But I bow to
your superior knowledge.

Dave and/or Randell are better qualified to talk about IDE than I am.


>
>---
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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep13.200109.2014
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > I do understand the feeling of the 3000 owners.
 > C= would do well to give the 3000 owners a good deal.


Yes, they would.  If they don't, this is one of thousands of A3000 owners
who is gonna haul ass for greener pastures.  This is NOT a debate point...
merely a statement of fact.  Lave Amigas, hate jacking around!  :-/


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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:13606 comp.sys.amiga.applications:7025 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:5908
From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Amiga+Toaster used to create "Babylon 5" TV show
Summary: Pick up the Sept-92 issue of AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER magazine
Keywords: Computer graphics for prime-time TV show.
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:58:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Organization: BT Tymnet, San Jose, CA

[It's already been posted to c.s.a.g - I am posting this to csaa and csam too.]

An Amiga application making the big time: The computer graphics for the
upcoming TV show "Babylon 5" is being done on an Amiga with Video Toaster.
(This science fiction show will be going to syndication this winter, and
probably will compete head-to-head with the Star Trek spin-off "Deep Space
9".)  All the space ships and the space station are rendered in LightWave 3-D.

An article titled "Video Toaster: A Desktop TV Studio" appears in the September
1992 issue of "American Cinematographer".  (The one with a scene from Twin
Peaks on the cover.)  This magazine is for professional cinematographers
(Directors of Photography; people who select the lights, select the film,
and position the cameras).  The article gets into the technical aspects of
setting up and directing a computer graphics scene.

It's nice to see the Amiga given a positive exposure in a professional
Hollywood magazine.

[Follow-ups have been directed to comp.sys.amiga.graphics.]

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From: umward10@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Derek Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Wanted: Line Editor
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:45:18 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



  I am looking for a decent line editor (to be run from CLI) to use for
remote-access.  If there aren't any around, could someone send me a
command summary for 'edit' (that comes with Workbench)?

  Thanks,  please send any info through mail.

Derek

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From: David_Kayal@amusers.UUCP (David Kayal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: aachip for 3000(was r
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:46:06 PST
Organization: The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

In a message dated Sun 13 Sep 92  2:48, "robert Buonincontro" <robert.buoni
wrote:

 B> New Horizon is already advertising the new version of Pro Write has AGA

 B> support. Other programs expected to be released with AGA support late
 B> this year or early next year are, Professional Page, Professional
 B> Draw, Page Stream, Dpaint 5, Imagine, Art Department, Excellence ect.

I was told by ASDG that Art Department Professional (2.x) has had AGA
support for nearly a year now.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SiliconMenus and ToolsDaemon...NOT
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:52:32 PST
Organization: Sacramento Amiga Computer Club - Sacramento, CA

In article <1992Sep10.093722.14091@uni-paderborn.de> tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler) writes:
> tomri@ida.liu.se (Tom Rindborg) writes:
> 
> >markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer) writes:
> 
> >> (Or wait for Toolmanager 2.0 , this one will bring
> >> the revolution on your Workbench...)
> 
> Yes, indeed, it's GREAT !!!
> Exspecially the ***CENSORED*** and the ***CENSORED***.
> 
> >When, oh WHEN??? It should be illegal to tease us like this... :-)
> 
> Yes, but it's VERY funny :-)
> 
> [signature deleted]
> 
> 	Another ToolManager Beta-Tester ...
> -- 
> Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
> University of Paderborn (Germany)

ARGH!  Don't do this!  PLEASE tell us when we should expect this new
version.  At least a rough estimate....PLEASE.


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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WHAT is THIS?! (bizarre error)
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:55:52 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <sheldon.716564502@pv1417.vincent.iastate.edu>,(S. Sheldon) writes:

>  On my A500 I didn't have to unplug the modem, but just shut the power off
> on it.  The A500 most always freaked out and came back with some GURU message.
> 
>  Don't know why it would do that.  But I just decided from there on never
> to turn the modem off while the computer was on.
> -- 
> Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu

A good practice (that I've followed religiously for years) is:
  
   The computer should be the LAST thing turned ON.
   The computer should be the FIRST thing turned OFF.

 This will minimize any spikes on the computer's sensitive chips.  I've read
several ideas on which order the other peripherals should be turned on/off, but
I'll leave that up to your judgment.

 Naturally, turn off all equipment before plugging in (or removing) any cables
or devices.  

 Some may say, "I've unplugged several items with the power on, and never
had any problems!", but why take chances?  It only takes minimal effort to
follow these precautions, and it will probably prevent a trip to the repair
shop.

My 2" worth.
Joe
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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 00:15:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <bruce.0am5@zuhause.MN.ORG> <1992Sep8.003808.6875@news.iastate.edu>
  <dusek.715981516@shale>

>>(Mark Barret write:)
>>number in order to prove me wrong.  A number of people from various parts
>>of the country have come to my defense on this one.  I now have solid enough
>>information that there are no places in the U.S. where the Amiga is thriving.
>
>        Wrong, try the subburbs of Chicago, there are alot of Amiga
>dealers out here.
>

Oh really?  Two in Aurora and one rip-off joint down town.  For a
metropolitan area with 13-15 million people?  Ha.  Thriving?  Not quite.  I
know all of the dealers.  They are just getting by, for now, NOT thriving.
The two dealers in the FAR western suburb of Chicago (Aurora) are great
guys, but it's unfortunate that they are both so close to each other and so
far from the rest of the city and suburbs :-(


>>For there to be 1000 dealers in the U.S., there has to be someplace that
>>has a whopping hell of a lot of them, and no such places have been named.
>
>        see above.

Your comment above is BS.  

>James
>



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