From: gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: RE: What is and what isn't Hinduvta (Re: Raj Bhatnagar's 
             views on an Islamic State)
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:39:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



>I agree with Javed that the idea of Islamic States does not originate
>very clearly from Quran and has only evolved over time in the Muslim society. 

    Shows how much you know about Islamic History.  The only time the 
    Islamic State truely existed was in the early years of Islam (before
    the end of the Caliphate, which is usually taken to be the death of 
    the fourth  Caliph, Ali).  Since then, Muslims have been trying to 
    establish an Islamic State.  The reigns of certain "Caliphs" like
    Umar bin 'Abd-ul-'Aziz came close to being an Islamic State.

>Its a matter of interpretation whether the Quranic injunctions should be
>adopted by individuals on a personal basis or enforced by a State on its

     No!  On the contrary, this malady of baseless secularism is relatively
     new for Muslims!

>subjects. Somehow, the enforcers hold sway in larger parts of today's
>Muslim world. And it is my view that many of the conflicts in which 
>Muslims are today involved all over the world will simply disappear 
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>once those Muslims who don't believe in Quran being enforced by State
>become more powerful in the Muslim society. Islam as a religion also may
>become more appealing in such an environment.

    Interesting theory!  Would you care to explain why Serbian chauvainsts
    are butchering Muslims in the Balkans?   Afterall, the Muslims in 
    Bosnia have always prided themselves for being the most "secular" and
    "progressive" of Muslims!  Sarejavo, which was often compared with
    Switzerland because of its political neutrality and with Jerasulem 
    on account of its religious tolerance, today stands besieged, 
    a town on the brim of death.  This was not supposed to happen according
    to your theory!


       In a Democracy, sovereignty belongs to the people.
       In Communism,  sovereignty belongs to the State. 
       In a Monarchy,  sovereignty belongs to the Monarch.
       In an Oligarchy, sovereignty belongs to the "ruling class (caste)"
       In a Theocracy, sovereignty belongs to the Church (priests).
       In Islam, sovereignty belongs to Allah!  

   If sovereignty belongs to Allah, then how can a legitimate, secular,
   Islamic country exist?  

   Besides, the biggest logical flaw in your argument is that you assume 
   that all people of the world have a secular mindset and it is the 
   "non-secularism " of Muslims that is at the root of all problems. 
   What about fanatical Hindus, and fanatical Orthodox Christians?  If 
   all the Muslims decieded to be "secular" ( good slaves) then what
   guarantee is there that these fanatical elements will also become 
   "secular"?

   In reality, there is no solution for us (Muslims) other than becoming better
   Muslims and putting our trust in Allah, for there is no better "helper"
   than Allah.  If we do not do so, then we should be prepared for 
    humiliation in this life and punishment in the next one.

>---raj

   

    Raheel Ahmed Khan!
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KHAN,RAHEEL
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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