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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: The Problem with UNIX
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:55:55 GMT

In article <1ede2iINN6go@smurf.smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
>> This user says `bletch!'  I've got ELM.  It threw away a valuable piece of
>> mail on me because the mail included another mail header.
>
>So do yourself a favor and either use MMDF-style mailboxes (if your MTA
>can't create these, do yourself a favor and ... ;-) or tell your MTA to
>replace any occurrence of "\n\nFrom " with "\n\n>From ". Or something like
>that. You're going to have that problem with any mailer; it's not Elm's
>fault.

It's "sort-of" ELM's fault in this case.  The SysVr4 mailer encapsulates
messages with a Content-Length: header containing the number of characters
following the newline after the headers that comprise the body of the
message.  The content of the body is irrelevant and lines starting with
From are not escaped (and they can contain ^A^A^A's).  Version 2.4 of
ELM understands this but it's a configuration option.  It still isn't
quite right because ELM uses a separate utility to perform printing and
piping operations and that program still tries to identify messages
by the lines starting with "From ".

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
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UNIX-WIZARDS Digest          Sat, 21 Nov 1992              V17#005

Today's Topics:
                            Select and stdio
                       Re: The Problem with UNIX
                           Please explain...
                         Re: Please explain...
                   Any terminfo compilers available?
                       Aux Keyboards and PC Unix
                            Thread Aware ???
        FAQ location please, info on setting up .profile/bash...
                                 <none>
                   Help with Seagate ST42100N please
                     troff drivers for Hp Laserjets
                      resident clock under vt100?
                    Re: resident clock under vt100?
               Re: Secondary Groups Failure Intermittent
                       select()/ Bad File Number
                     Re: select()/ Bad File Number
                  Re: Changing the owner of a process
                 Help with disktab for Seagate st42100n
            running background programs from startup scripts
                           Faking a tty port

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From: Mike Dilger <dilger@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Select and stdio
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:56:16 GMT
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Hi,

use uuencode and uudecode.

~a
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Subject: Re: The Problem with UNIX
From: oleg@gd.       (Oleg Kibirev)
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:09:37 PST
Organization: Computer Science Departement of California State University in Fresno

In article <1992Nov18.022127.130@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
>oleg@gd (I) write
>
>>>figure out which verbose message belongs to that number. That saves several K's
>>>of text for each program and makes translation to foreign langauges much
>>>easier. The user who uses such a tool gradually learns to associate the terse
>>I suppose you have heard about shared libraries ;-).
>
>Yes, but a text file is much easier to edit than a shared library...
>
Well, it's not *that* hard to edit a shared library, it least in SunOS. Check
README in /usr/lib/shlib.etc. H/o why not having errno.c check /etc/sys_errlist
and $HOME/.sys_errlist to override defaults. This would make customization of
error messages much easier...


Oleg


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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: The Problem with UNIX
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:22:04 GMT

In article <-ml1H31!ua@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
> >This would all be
> >solved if there were *one* system function that is used by all programs
> >instead of having every program duplicate more or less the same
> >functionality with different success.

> You mean like getopt(3)?

getopt is practically worthless. It doesn't do enough parsing to be worth
using, and doesn't provide any sort of useful diagnostics. With the example
in my last message, you'd say:

	foo -d
and get
	foo: required argument to -d (diet) missing.
	Usage: foo [-abc] [-d diet]

And by setting $VERBOSE it'd add 

		-a	Eat an apple.
		-b	Eat a banana.
		-c	Eat a carrot.
		-d diet	Use diet plan in file <diet>

Let's try (this is a slightly older version of the library):

% //xds13/usr1/xds/src/docindex/docindex
docindex: MasterFile ('master' files) required for -m flag
docindex: IndexFile ('index' files) required for -i flag
docindex: HistoryFile ('history' files) required for -h flag
Usage: docindex -m <MasterFile>... -i <IndexFile>... -h <HistoryFile>... \
	[-p <MsgidPattern>] [-v] [-q]

With the source:

struct arglist *MasterFiles = NULL;
struct arglist *HistoryFiles = NULL;
struct arglist *IndexFiles = NULL;
char *msgid_pattern = "<doc.";
BOOL Verbose = 0;
BOOL Quiet = 0;

ARGDESC	Args[] =
{
'm', ARGREQ|ARGLIST,listStr, __ &MasterFiles,"MasterFile ('master' files)",
'i', ARGREQ|ARGLIST,listStr, __ &IndexFiles,"IndexFile ('index' files)",
'h', ARGREQ|ARGLIST,listStr, __ &HistoryFiles,"HistoryFile ('history' files)",
'p', ARGOPT, argStr, __&msgid_pattern, "MsgidPattern (magic string for msgid)",
'v', ARGOPT, argBool, __&Verbose, "Verbose (report database changes)",
'q', ARGOPT, argBool, __&Quiet, "Quiet (about missing data or index files)",
ENDOFARGS
};

main(argc, argv)
	int argc;
	char **argv;
{
	parseargs(argv, Args);
	...
-- 
Peter da Silva / 77487-5012 USA / +1 713 274 5180
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From: thurm@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Matthew Thurmaier)
Subject: troff drivers for Hp Laserjets
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:15:03 GMT

Hi,

I am looking for troff drivers for Hp Laserjet Series III printers, or
even IIs or Is if you have them.

Please respond via e-mail as I do not subscribe to this group.

Thank you,
Matthew. - thurm@shorty.cs.wisc.edu
-- 
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From: torek@horse.ee.lbl.gov (Chris Torek)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Changing the owner of a process
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:55:55 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: torek@horse.ee.lbl.gov (Chris Torek)
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Keywords: process owner

In article <1992Nov17.142837.21252@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>
eposnak@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Ed Posnak) quotes an unidentified source:
>The uid, in every version of Unix I've seen, is stored in the proc
>structure in the kernel. ...

In 4.1BSD, 4.2BSD, and at least some versions of 4.3BSD, the uid was
kept in u.u_uid (i.e., in the `u.' area).  This practice dates back
to Version 7 and 32V Unix.  4.4BSD-alpha no longer has a `u. area'
per se (although the space is still there for the kernel stack, among
other things); but the uid is not in the proc in those Unix variants.

In any case, simply reaching into the kernel and rewriting the uid is
not guaranteed to work.  In the current 4.4BSD development system, for
instance, the kernel keeps a count of processes associated with each
uid.  This avoids a linear scan of the process table on each fork()
(the scan is otherwise needed to see if the fork would exceed the
per-user process limit).  If you simply reach in and replace a
process's uid, the kernel will eventually panic when it notices the
inconsistent counts.
-- 
In-Real-Life: Chris Torek, Lawrence Berkeley Lab CSE/EE (+1 510 486 5427)
Berkeley, CA		Domain:	torek@ee.lbl.gov
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UNIX-WIZARDS Digest          Tue, 08 Sep 1992              V16#003

Today's Topics:
                    Reducing "reserved" swap space?
              Any books on Lightweight processes on Unix?.

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From: David Kaelbling <drk@twinkie.rational.com>
Subject: Reducing "reserved" swap space?
Keywords: SunOS, shared libraries, swap
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:44:23 GMT
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To:       unix-wizards@sem.brl.mil


Can anybody explain what exactly determines the "reserved" swap space
allocated by a program, and how I can reduce this number?

I have a large application (running on Sun-4's under SunOS 4.1.x), and
want to have several copies of the application running concurrently.
Currently the swap space requirements are a major obstacle.  According
to "pstat -s" each copy of the application allocates 1.5Mb of swap and
reserves 9.4Mb.  Purify reports that the heap is around 3.5 Mb.  To
the untrained eye it appears that swap space is reserved for the
entire text segment (size reports 6430kb text, 876kb data, 29kb bss),
but never used.  How can I eliminate or amortize this waste?
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Passing args to login(1)
Summary: Again, this is somewhere between c.u.q. and c.u.w.
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:58:21 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

I am pretty sure that under at least some versions of Unix/login, you can
pass args in along with your login-id, and that these args would then be
available to your .login/.profile.  See below:

	login: pynq and green
	Password: 

	Then $1 should be "and" and $2 should be "green".

However, this doesn't seem to work under my current version of login
(and version of SunOS [4.something])

So, my question is: "Am I imagining things, or am I doing it wrong?"

I could of course ask questions in the login script and branch
accordingly, but it would be cleaner to be able to do it as a command
line parameter.

************************************************************************
I've been told to back off on the diode jokes, but I still don't
like smileys ;-)

	- pynq@quads.uchicago.edu, who is still costing the net
	  hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
************************************************************************
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: The Problem with UNIX
Date: 14 Nov 92 15:13:18 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

acourtny@unix1.tcd.ie (Antony A. Courtney) writes:

>>So, Boyd, if UNIX really is dead, where is the funeral? I would so enjoy
>>paying my last respects ...

>But in the process of adding all of these new "features" to
>UNIX, these new operating systems somehow lost the brevity, clarity, simplicity
>and structural elegance of that other system once called UNIX.

That's a good point! For instance, instead of using the creat() system call,
which creates a file with given permissions, they added a parameter open() to
duplicate the functionality of creat().

>UNIX is dead.  Long live UNIX.

Long live Plan 9?

Greetings,
Peter Busser
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From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Still x_cdplayer problems
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:01:46 GMT

Only got one response from my last post and that waas not the problem
but thank you anyway.

Here is my problem:

I am trying to get xcdplayer to work on a tatung compstation 25 running
sunos 4.1.2.  It is a Hitachi cdplayer.  When I run xcdplayer I get

superboy 1 > xcdplayer
ioctl(cdromreadtochdr): I/O error

I have gone back to the release cdrom and pulled the x_cdplayer that
came with 4.1.2.  If I run it after having already inserted the cd I get
the response:

I/O Error

If I run it with no cd in the player I get the application up but then
upon inserting the cd it does not recognize that there is a cd in there.

The message

sr0: logical unit not ready

appears in the console wheneveer I try to play the cd.

Help, please.

Thank you.

-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
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From: tar@math.ksu.edu (Tim Ramsey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Changing the owner of a process
Followup-To: comp.unix.internals
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:40:58 -0600
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
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Keywords: process owner

[ Followups set to comp.unix.internals ]

msm@eng.ufl.edu (Michael S. McLean) writes:

>There is no need to write another device driver for this.  /dev/kmem will
>suffice.

You can do it by poking about in /dev/kmem, but it's not safe.  Consider:

Process A                     Process B               Process C
Open /dev/kmem                <runs>
Find B proc table entry       <runs>
Update proc table entry       <exits>                 <starts up>

Between the time when Process A locates the proc table entry for Process B
and the time that it updates the entry, Process B exits and Process C is
started -- and given Process B's old table entry.  You end up updating
the wrong process.

-- 
    Tim Ramsey, 913.532.6750  |  I'm a sysadmin and I'm okay;
    Department of Mathematics |  I work all night and I sleep all day.
    Kansas State University   |
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From: eposnak@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Ed Posnak)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Changing the owner of a process
Keywords: process owner
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:28:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: dale.1992Nov17.142837.21252
Organization: NASA


In article <1992Nov5.235228.1944@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> I wrote:
"Is there an un-general way of changing the euid of a process from another
"process?  We have an unusal requirement on our project for a 'shift-change'
"where a user logs in and 'inherits' ownership processes that were running
"under another euid.  Thanks in advance.

Thanks to all who responded.  I was surprised at the number of different 
responses I received, (most involving setuid()) which led me to realize my 
wording must've been real vague.

What I was looking for was something along the lines of how to change the 
effective user id of a process who's source I may not be able to modify, by 
some other means, e.g. from another process.  Many suggested writing a device
driver or system call to do this.  Here is one answer along those lines. 
---

This is one of those dirty tricks I've always wanted to get around to
figuring out a way to do... (without kernel source, that is)

I believe it could be done by writing a device driver. Open the device
driver and write commands to it, and it does the dirty work. For
instance, send it 8 bytes containing the process to change and the uid
to change it to.

The uid, in every version of Unix I've seen, is stored in the proc
structure in the kernel. You should be able to fiddle with this at
will in a device driver, and since it's in the proc structure and not
the u area, it'll always be there even if the process is swapped out.
It *should* be just a matter of searching for the entry and changing
it.

This technique should also serve to implement something like renice()
under Xenix, which doesn't have it. (The nice value also being stored
in the proc structure.)
--
Mark Buda

I get my monkeys for nothing and my chimps for free.
---

I would enjoy hearing from anyone who might have done this already.  Thanks.



-- 
--
Ed Posnak
Harris Space Systems Corporation
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UNIX-WIZARDS Digest          Wed, 09 Sep 1992              V16#004

Today's Topics:
                     hmm one more npasswd story...
                                 GOSIP
                        SCCS to RCS translation
                     HELP: MsgQueue not "reading"?
             Re: 'cat'ting 8 bit data to the terminal.....
              Re: ASYNCHRONOUS FILE PRESENCE NOTIFICATION

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From: Jimbo@even
Subject: hmm one more npasswd story...
Keywords: sun.
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:19:31 GMT
To:       unix-wizards@sem.brl.mil

The npasswd bug is very famous into differents hackers
groups. (especialy because of last jeff prog...)
something to do with the -rw-rw-rw of some passwds files.
so every body fixed it right now...

- i didnt have the time to test it :) -

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