From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: RE CMFN
Keywords: China
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:00:41 GMT

In article <By0vvI.8uH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <Bxzq8D.AG@math.uwaterloo.ca> yma@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (William Yan Ma) writes:
>>
>>How much you know that CMFN will push the Chinese government to release
>>the political prisoners? Being a Chinese, I think they will not give up
>>at this point. Actually, they could release Sheng Tong, they could release
>>Wei Jingsheng, Wang Juntao, Chen Ziming, Zhang Yafei, etc. They might release
>>them if CMFN was going to pass. But you know, once it passed incidently,
>>I don't think the Chinese government will give up any more. That will
>>be really a bad result which is not expected by us.
 
As usuall, I perfer the CMFN than UMFN to give pressure in improve its
human rights. I don't care how Clinton or American politicians think,
yet, if they are on the side of supporting the improvement of Chinese
human rights, I think they are right. 
>
>Dear William, your analyses is very plain. You don't have to be a
>Chinese to think in this way. But being a Chinese, I also think
>it is not whether they would release the prisoner or not. In fact
>it is a matter of whether they should release political prisoners
>or not.
>
For the human right, I don't ask very much, but at least any body should
be treated in decency, no matter they or political or non political
prisonners. May be I can never forget the CR, the way people been
treated has made such a deep impression in me, I guess no other
beautiful words can change my idea, although it is saying that human
being has a short memory.

>Holding political prisoner is against the progress of human society. Imagine
>Martin Luther King were jailed. Think when Zhang Zhixin was jailed and killed.
>Think when Deng Xiaoping and Zhao Zhiyang lost their freedom for
>expressing different political opinions. Or even think Jiang Zeming
>would be jailed after Deng Xiaoping's death. I would say human right
>is good to everybody. But in the meanwhile everybody has to yield to
>others for their freedom of expression.
>
Only after the CR, CCP Gao Gang do realize (more or less) human being do
have its human rights. And the conditions for the public enemy has
improved a lot comparing the situation before 1979. The case of Gang of
Four and others have proved that. It might be for their own sake. But it
shows that they are wise enough to make things happen.

>I read a news from World Journal which made me feel sad. It was reported
>that Deng Xiaoping asked Jiang Zeming to take care of his family after
>his death. Deng Xiaoping was afraid that his family would be treated
>the same way as Mao's after his death (which he can not control). He
>promised to support Jiang Zeming the best he could, including stripping
>the millitary power of Yang's brothers.
>
The problem of Chinese human rights is not only in the CCP but in
Chinese itself. In 2000 years history, Chinese talked about Li, talked
about Zhong, talked about Xiao, now we talk about patritism, people, 
wealth, a strong country, but we rarely consider each individual is 
important. Because of this, the same tragedy happen again again and again.  

>For me, I would never want to see Deng's family being treated badly
>after his death. Zhuo Lin is an innocent woman and so are many of his
>family members. Besides Deng Xiaoping did make a lot of positive
>contribution to China in the last 15 years (I meant to write my personal
>thank to him in my Ph. D. thesis acknowledgement, I dropped it after
>the so-called anti-spiritual pollution movement).
>
Again, I don't think I ask too much, just a tiny winy bit dignity. (hope
not calling me a begger) But the human rights will benefit for all the
people whether they are the enemy or the ruler soon or later.

>I think the best way to regain his reputation is to correct his mistake
>in 6/4 and release political prisoners held after 6/4. People used to
>love him and to greet him: Hello Xiaoping. Why did people smash little bottles?
>If he does apologize, not only he has not to worry about his family, he will be
>forgiven and become the greatest man in the Chinese history.
>
Deng doesn't need to regain his reputation. He has shown what he can do.
We praise him for his work to pull China out of shadow of Mao, and we
curse him of his ruthless action when someone is standing on his way.
For he himself, what else does he expect.

Tingli Pan
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