From: jbw@ponder.csci.unt.edu (WEST JASON BRUCE)
Subject: Re: Ken's 4-Hit Touch of Death
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:37:46 GMT

In article <Bz1J6A.JJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cw21219@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Crying Freeman) writes:
>jbw@ponder.csci.unt.edu (WEST JASON BRUCE) writes:
>
>>In article <sf9JDRu00WBLI6i3Bc@andrew.cmu.edu> "Clifford T. Tanaka" <ct20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>>     I usually use Vega vs Bison.  Vega's speed and ticking potential give
>>>>him an advantage over Bison IMHO.  Whenever I see a cheap Bison, I play Vega
>>>>and tick the sorry fool to death. 
>>>>                                              --Thomas J. Pastor--
>>>
>>>I find it hard to believe that this will work against a good Bison
>>>player.  What if Bison knows how to counterthrow?  Kiss goodbye to one
>>>of the advantages you listed.  Vega does have a speed advantage over
>>>every other character (Chun Li also?), but he also has a definite
>>>disadvantage in strength.  Bison himself is no slowpoke, but he does
>>>quite a bit of damage.  Against Bison (maybe even against all the
>>>characters), Vega is very dependent on "ticking".  With a Bison who
>>>knows how to counterthrow, I can't see how Vega has any chance against
>>>Bison.
>>>
>
>>    With Bison's outrageous hand-timre in the air it is fairly easy, with
>>vega, to walk under and air-throw.  Same thing when he jumps on your head.
>>Once you relegate your battle to the ground - since Vega has air supiriority,
>>then you can keep the press on eliminating his flame.  The scizzor kick, on
>>the other hand, is a bit more difficult.               
>
>First of all Vega's air superiority isn't THAT great against Bison. Bison's
>aerial attacks also have great priority. Secondly, what do you mean by
>"walk under and air-throw"?  But then again, the Bisons in your area
>are probably the type that can't even charge the torpedo properly.  

    Walk under and air-throw:  Bison hangs so long you can walk till you are
right under him - jump toward him (from behind) right before he lands and
air-throw.  Vega is quick enough to this consstently if you know what your
are doing.  Also, it doesnt matter if it is "THAT great" - it is more than
enough to kill him if he keeps in the air.
   And what is this "the Bison's in your area probably don't even know how
charge the torpedo properly."?!?  What do you shcmucks say stupid shit like
that.  I think the Guile's who have been getting off 4 and 5 hit combos since
SFII could somehow manage to charge a damn torpedo.  Grow up.

>>    IMNSHO I think Bison is a bad counter-thrower.  When Bison blocks he
>>*blocks*, for awhile.  He has no moves he can pull out at the last second
>>like a dp.  If you tick him well it is really hard for him to counter.  I
>>would also say Chun is the best character to tick Bison with.  Her strong
>>strong strong (until Bison falls down) is a good tick for Bison.  Because if
>>he is going to counter throw you can buffer in a lightning kick that will
>>crush him.  Then you can jump in and do it again.  Bison has a real problem
>>v. this.
>
>Oh jeez. strong strong strong with Chun Li? I think Bison has a really
>STRONG counter throw. I never noticed any long blocking period...

   I can't think of any character that counter throws worse than Bison.
And he has no moves that "pop-out" - all his moves leave him vulnerable when
they start.  This leaves him extremely open to ticks and the like.  Hell, you
want to talk about a character that has no prayer of getting out of a 
fireball trap -- Bison is the man.

>Around here, I don't think strong strong throw attempt would work
>on ANY character. Also how do you buffer a lightning kick with a strong

   If you mix it up it will work very well.  You can alway throw in a 
roundhouse to knock him in the back of the head, then you can lightning
kick or do another neck kick.  Bison really gets screwed but this kind of
thing.  He sucks in close range.

>punch? I have seen it buffered with a fierce palm, but not strong punches.
>Bison has a real problem v. this? Maybe when you're playing Bison...

   "I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy."  You are supreme.  Look, if you have
nothing to say then shut up.  If you are going to flame me then FLAME.
All you said was "well, I've never seen that - so I doubt it would work.  
Everyone here is god and everyone where you play obviosly sucks." 
   I'm just telling you the facts.  Any flame happy Bison can get ticked to
hell without escape.  Chose your favorite character and favorite close
range tick.  Bison will perish in flames.

>
>>Ciao..
>-- 
> Kenneth C. Wang	| University Of Illinois Champaign-Urbana	
> 			| Internet: c-wang@uiuc.edu			


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