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From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Subject: Re: Easter Egg FAQ list
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
	<1992Apr13.084341.3452@pollux.lu.se>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.084341.3452@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>>  User? joshua!!
>>  Greetings Professor Falken!
>>
>>  Would you like to play a game (Yes/No)?
>>
>>If you reply yes, it plays a simple number-guessing game and
>>then tells you that you'd learn more with an Apple II than
>>trying to break in to other people's systems.
>
>So, to dig a little deeper into the folklorish aspects of this:
>
>Has anybody got any idea why the "magic" username is "joshua!!"? 
>And who is professor Falken?

   It comes from the move "Wargames".  Professor Falken is some guy who
develops a computer originally used for playing games but which eventually
becomes part of the military war operations complex (because it can work
out ways of "winning" a nuclear war scenario).  He either had a son named
"Joshua" or that was the name of the computer -- I forget.  In any case,
"joshua" was the password used to break into the machine.  As for the two
exclamation points, I have no idea where those come from.

   The first thing that happens when some kid figures out the password in
the movie is that he gets the message

        Greetings Professor Falken!

        Would you like to play a game (Yes/No)?
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Slashed o's (o's, not zeros)?
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:58:58 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <jcmorris.703169125@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>Another possible reason for slashing the letter was the use of the
>slash-oh glyph in Scandanavian languages.

No, that's a reason for *not* slashing the letter! The
Danish/Norwegian slashed-o (which isn't just a "glyph", but just as
much a letter as the o without the slash) is a different letter from o
and is pronounced totally different. If a Danish programmer would
slash his/her o's, the result would likely be total confusion.

It's funny, but many English-speaking people seem to think that those
funny little dots, slashes and rings used by Germans and Scandinavians
are there just for decoration, and can be added or removed at will.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The horror examples are heavy
metal groups like Motorhead and Motley Crue, who've added some
German-looking dots - I suppose for the visual effect. They would be
less than pleased if they knew how ridiculous it sounds if you
actually *pronounce* those dots... :-)


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From: Jyri.Virkki@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jyri Virkki)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been in hack mode too long when...
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:11:22 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

>
>Or, in a similar situation after programming a Mac, using mental pull-down 
                                                ^^^
>menus to control one's responses to said randy female (or whatever)...

Sorry... programming Macs does not fall under hacking. And a hacker would
never have images (well, maybe of repulsion!) of pull-down menus.

:-)

Jyri J. Virkki - DoD#561 - j_virkki@upr2.clu.net
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:04:15 -0400 
From: Paul Christopher Workman <pw0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WAR GAMES II, or How I Learned To Start Worrying And Hat


Have you considered the possibility that some J. Edgar
Hoover wanna-be took the list of contributors at the
end of the book, looked them ALL up (fingered them or
whatever), and has compiled a "dangeous computer hackers
list" or somesuch?

Is being a "suspected hacker" enough to get your phone tapped?

Scary.

--paul

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard)
Subject: Re: Why is a byte called a byte?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:05:55 GMT

pic@igc.org writes:


>Can anyone out there tell me why a byte is called a byte?  Who
>came up with the term?  When was it first used?

No, a byte is not called a byte. It is called an etyb.

Have fun!

Why is Richard called Richard?


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From: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Mel: Fact or Fiction?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:51:19 GMT
Reply-To: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr14.141601.6534@unx.sas.com>,
thacher@renbourn.unx.sas.com (Clarke Thacher) writes:

>The first time that I visited the Computer Museum (when it was still in
>Marlboro) one of the first exhibits was an LGP-30.  The sign in front of
>it called it the Minicomputer of the Vacuum tube era.  My father, who 
>was with me, got a nostalgic look in his eyes. 

I took my father to the Computer Museum, now at 300 Congress Street in
Boston.  One of the first exhibits was a Univac or other early computer
(it was not on display the last time I was there, though, due to the new
two-story-PC exhibit).  He looked at it and told me some of the tubes in
it were wrong and wouldn't have worked; they must have just put them in
for display purposes.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:52:09 -0400 
From: "Joseph M. Newcomer" <jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: re: Why Grey?

Does anyone remember the original HDS Concept 100 terminals?  White boxes
with a blue stripe.  Over the years, the colors aged; HDS then switched to
beige cases with a brown stripe.  We observed that after about 7 years
the original boxes resembled used tennis shoes in color and style.
                                joe
From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Slashed o's (o's, not zeros)?
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:04:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:

>Not everybody bothered to make this clear differentiation.  I just now
>hauled out my old MACRO manual (assembler for the PDP-1) and found
>that the uppercase letter "O" and the digit zero are almost identical.

You don't have to go that far back. In the beginning of the 80's the
Swedish company Luxor produced a Z80 based home computer called
ABC-80. On the screen O (capital oh) and 0 (zero) were *completely*
identical. This caused some very hard to catch errors, since O and 0
are close on the keyboard, the BASIC used capital letters and as it
distuinguished integer constants from reals by appending a %. Thus O%
is an integer variable and 0% is the integer zero. As the BASIC only
allowed single letters or single letters followed by single digits as
variable names, the confusion was bound to happen.

	Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:18:56 -0400 
From: "Joseph M. Newcomer" <jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Computer-related license tags

The initials of my undergrad school are SVC (St. Vincent College---never
mind, I outgrew it).  I was in the class of 1967.  I therefore had a
plate that said "SVC 67".  I then went on to grad school at CMU.  About
the middle of the semester, I was approached by one of the programmers:
"I've been thru the manuals, the PLMs, and I finally broke down and read
the operating system code.  And I *CAN'T* figure out what Supervisor Call
67 does.  I tried it as decimal and hex.  It's driving me crazy..."

I never saw anyone so totally pissed off when I explained what it stood
for.

PLMs, for those of you who aren't old IBM hackers, were Program Logic
Manuals, the internals of the OS or whatever the package was.  I read a
lot of these.  

p.s. I still have the plate in the basement...
                                joe
From: jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph M. Newcomer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: me vs. vi
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:55:20 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Is 'me' and editor, or is this just bad grammar?  At least when I use
'vi', which I do as little as possible, I *definitely* feel it is
me vs. vi. 

Of course, on a PC, I use Epsilon, which is the world's best EMACS-compatible
editor.  Especially because my version has the best features of TOPS-20
EMACS, Epsilon, and GNUMacs for the class of problems I work on.

I may be the only person in the world to own one (1) Ethernet
card; I carry my portable to customer sites that don't have EMACS and
do my editing on my PC using Epsilon.  *That's* how much I detest 'vi'.
                            joe
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: aduell@isis.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: wood veneer
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:07:05 GMT


Talking of wood vaneer on computer stuff, 
does anyone else remember the Anderson-Jacobson modems (accoustic) that
came in the wooden case? I obtained one at a Radio Rally (=Hamfest I
think) a couple of years back for 5 pounds (about $10) and of couse it
still works. One curious feature is the 'TTY' socket on the side - its a
15 pin molex plug that implements a ccurrent loop interface to connect to
an ASR33 
-tony 'PDP11 Hacker' Duell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: The Real Origins Of C And Unix!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:23:43 GMT

khamer@sumax.seattleu.edu (Little Kenny Hamer) writes:
>and finally C. We stopped when we got a clean compile on the following syntax:
>
>  for(;P("\n"),R-;P("|"))for(e=C;e-;P("_"+(*u++/8)%2))P("| "+(*u/4)%2); 

fool.c: In function main:
fool.c:5: parse error before `;'
fool.c:5: parse error before `)'
fool.c:5: parse error before `;'
fool.c:5: parse error before `)'

Hmmm...  Maybe it's K&R I.  Maybe R- should be R--; similarly e-.
-- 
David Brooks				dbrooks@osf.org
Systems Engineering, OSF		uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
April is the crullerist month: time to make the dougnuts.
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Disk and Drive incompatible....
Keywords: Disk 3.5 5.25 Formatting
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <9204101748.25@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.060630.15107@u.washington.edu> pollock@milton.u.washington.edu (Joe Pollock) writes:
>>Using a 5.25" HD drive to format and write an LD disk usually works
>>quite well, if the objective is to transfer data to a computer with
>>only LD drives.
>
>This doesn't seem to work reliably under MSDOS.

It's the only way, and yes, it's unreliable.

But the key point is knowing where the disk has been before.  If the disk is 
magnetically virgin/degaussed before the HD drive formats it and writes on it
you have the best shot of getting the data back to the LD drive.  The problem
comes in when the LD drive has formatted/written on the diskette previous to
the format and write on the HD disk, since the LD drive sees portions of the
previous stuff intermingled with the latest data imparted by the HD drive, due
to its "wide" head.

So, the usual problem is that it works "once" because someone forgot to
maintain the "half-duplex" protocol:

LD source: LD formats and writes, HD reads.

HD source: HD formats and writes, LD reads.

In the first case, should the HD write, the LD will have trouble even though 
the HD won't have any problems.

In the second case, should the LD write, the HD has no problem THIS TIME,
but if the disk is used again for the second case usage, the LD has problems
reading it.  In other words, when you redesignate usage from case 1 to case 2,
you can't go back to case 1 unless you degauss the diskette.  Since there may
be a space of time between reliable first usage and the third usage, the user
doesn't associate the symptoms with the cause.

BTW, Colorado memories distributes their software for the DJ series on HD media
formatted as 360K LD, although I don't really know on what type of drive.  In
any case, 360K drives have trouble reading it.  I suspect that they use an HD
drive to do it from, and that they don't guarantee the media is magnetically
virgin beforehand.  Also, it's one of those permanently protected disks.

cjl (media (not herring) maven)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Subject: Re: Computer-related (well, not really) auto license tags
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 03:16:53 GMT


In <wdvEJbq00Vsa0=5V1y@andrew.cmu.edu> Joseph M. Newcomer writes:
>
>Ivan Sutherland owned a schoolbus-yellow original Volkswagen with black
>front fenders.  The license plate was DE BUG.  His other car, whose
>type I forget, had a plate that said F-MA but he had added another line 
>so it said F=MA.  I've seen both of these vehicles and their plates.

Someone in the Pittsburgh area has a white Accord with /DEV/CAR, with
the slashes done in green tape.  (Saw it on the Parkway on my way to
work one morning....)

-- PTD --
(wondering whether a car is a block or a character device)

(On second thought, it must be a block device.  Witness the Squirrel 
Hill Tunnel in the evening, or the (Washington DC) Beltway at 5:00 on
a Friday when everyone is headed off to the beach.  You can block for
hours on end....)

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From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Easter Egg FAQ list
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:58:39 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <1992Apr13.084341.3452@pollux.lu.se> I write:
>Has anybody got any idea why the "magic" username is "joshua!!"? 
>And who is professor Falken?

In the three hours since I posted this, I've already received eight
mail messages pointing me to the film "War Games" (where Joshua is the
computer broken into and Professor Falken is the person behind the
software). Thanks to everybody who responded (and to the 69 people
who'll respond before they see this message. Sigh.)

And, by the way, I'm neither too young to have seen that film, or so
much of a geek that I never go to the cinema. If you want to adopt a
cynical, snobbish attitude, you could say I'm too sensible to see all
new Hollywood products. Or maybe I'm just too lazy. Or maybe I don't
want to see yet another stupid, unrealistic film about computers,
created by computer-illiterate Hollywood people for the
computer-illiterate masses (ever noticed the way all Hollywood
computers used to put characters on the screen at 110 baud, clicking
and beeping all the time, because that was the way computers were
supposed to work - like typewriters, I suppose). Or maybe I'm just
stupid to miss such a great movie? Choose whichever alternative you
like - I couldn't care less. 

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From: osborne@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Larry N. Osborne)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: "The Machine That Changed the World" on PBS
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:02:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.190243.2665
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <1992Apr7.162503.13932@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:

>Just thought I'd pass along that PBS is showing a 5-part series called
>"The Machine that Changed the World", about computers.  I saw the first
>part last night - started off with Babbage's difference engine, and
>worked up through ENIAC, and other early machines.

I saw it and thought it was a pretty good coverage of the topic, but I
was surprised by three omissions:  

(1)  No mention of Hollerith at all.  Perhaps they will pick up that
thread later on if they deal in detail with IBM, or maybe Herman
doesn't seem central to computers now that punched cards are obsolete.

(2)  No mention of Atanasof.  Once again, maybe that will come later
as a part of IBM, but I was surprised that, since they went into
Mauchley and Eckert in some detail, and mentioned Von Neuman, his name
never came up.

(3)  While Zuse's relay computer was shown, AT&T's relay/stepper
machine wasn't.  I _think_ they were roughly contemporaneous.

Still, I thought it was a good show, especially in that it wasn't
completely USA biased, but didn't downplay our contributions either.  

Since I may use these as a part of a class I teach (assuming we can
get permission) I would be interested in the opinion of those more
knowedgeable than I.

-oz "all names (sp?)" osborne
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Disk and Drive incompatible....
Keywords: Disk 3.5 5.25 Formatting
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:34:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunixf.1992Apr9.233422.22209
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <12456@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.153427.18218@solbourne.com> imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh) writes:
>>Well, almost.  The media is almost the same, but the permeability of
>>the HD disks is slightly higher.  There is a potential for problems if
>>you use LD disks at HD densities, since the media is not capable of
>>reliablely recording data at those rates.  However, HD disks should
>>work OK at LD densities.
>
>Personal experience (both on my own disks and in trying to fix others) says
>otherwise.  Well, if you use an HD disk formatted LD in an HD drive bad things
>will happen (if the computer will let you do that at all).  The signal
>strengths are different and you'll "wipe out" data.
>
>>Warner Losh		imp@Solbourne.COM
>
>Mike

I have never seen any problems with 3.5" disks, but as Mike said only with 
5.25" it doesn't work at all.  If the HD drive wrote on it there is no
problem, but when the LD drive writes or formats it, it becomes quite
unreadable.  Apparently the media saturates or is otherwise overloaded by
the greater writing current in the LD drives.  Never got an error-free disk
format this way.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: magyar@hss.caltech.edu (Ted Turo'cy)
Subject: Slashed o's (o's, not zeros)?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:24:48 GMT



	A question for those who, unlike me, are old enough to possibly
remember:  Last summer, I came across a sf short story (sorry, I forget
who wrote it, maybe someone can fill it in for me) named "Watchdog", in
which the 'o' was slashed.  What caught my eye was a footnote (from the
original story) which said something to the effect that "it was common
computing practice for printers to slash o's so that there would be no
confusion with zeroes".  Well, as far as I can remember (~10 yrs), I've
only seen _zeroes_ slashed, and never o's (except, of course, in those
languages which have the slashed-o as a character...).  Anyone know
when this practice changed?  Are there any more "modern" notable systems
to used the slashed 'o'?

Ted Turo'cy
magyar@hss.caltech.edu
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"It _should_ have been called the Hungaro-Austrian Empire..."

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: WAR GAMES II, or How I Learned To Start Worrying And Hate The Bomb
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 06:18:38 GMT

Eric S. Raymond (eric@snark.thyrsus.com) writes:
> Thanks.  To *all* of you.  The volume of fan mail has been remarkable; I'm
> gratified that so many enjoyed this mini-epic.

Personally, I'm waiting for the sequel -- where Eric reveals the *fourth*
name on the bingo-card report.  Evidently this one led into such senstitive
areas that it had to be hushed up!
-- 
Mark Brader		"You read war books -- people shooting each other,
Toronto			 people bombing each other, people torturing each
utzoo!sq!msb		 other.  I like to look at people doing, uh, naughty
msb@sq.com		 things to each other!"		-- Ria, "Butterflies"

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Why Grey? Are computer unhappy objects?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 12:10:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.221451.22979@midway.uchicago.edu> jcav@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
(He didn't write this, but I lost the quote line for the >> quotes)
>>
>>The Mac SE was actually the first machine to adopt the new color.  The Mac
>>Plus was the last of the beige/brown/whatever color.
>
If I remember right, the old color was called "Apple Fog".
From: aki@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle Computers
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:02:04 PDT
Reply-To: aki@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us

In article <1992Apr6.054544.20318@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s923647@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Finn Thain) writes:
-> witczak@romeo.egr.msu.edu (Mark Witczak) writes:
-> >	He finished the speech by saying that in the future NASA will be 
-> >using off the shelf components. I seriously doubt that you'll see a 386 
-> >or a 68000 on it anytime soon.  I would be willing to bet my career that 
-> >the shuttle will never say INTEL INSIDE.
-> 
->  Actually, I remember seeing a photo in a Mac magazine of a Mac plus on a
->  shuttle. (Not freestanding on a desk, of course, but fixed in a wall.)
->  I dont recall what the article said they used it for.        


The PC's have made it too. I remember seeing a transcript somewhere here on the
net on the lines of "I got an UAE Error. Rebooting." (Houston<->Shuttle
conversation).

Aki.
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From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Computer-related auto license tags
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:10:21 GMT
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere



Sez here that Bert Metcalf of 3Com carried CSMA CD on his BMW. Ennybuddy know
if he still has the plates?

Nolan Hinshaw			Internet: nolan@twg.com
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