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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Push-Pull Service: Which Way do the Locomotives Point?
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:18:20 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Jul28.003604.27547@indetech.com> david@indetech.com (David Kuder) writes:
>lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
:: 	Here in the Bay Area, BART and the Santa Clara light-rail
:: 	systems are both loopless.

:jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
:# I thought both Richmond and Daly City had loops?

::	What gave you that idea?

:Maybe the BART newletter thing that announced the completion of the
:"Daly City loop" that would cut down the turn-around (in the sense
:of back in operation) time.  If this loop exists, it's buried beyond
:the Daly City station since there are tracks leaving the Daly City
:station that disappear into some hillside.

	Are you sure you didn't mis-remember it? I remember there
being a "turnback", but no "loop".

::	I haven't been able to get a good view of the Richmond yard
::(I've taken a look at it a couple of times from Amtrak trains), but I
::doubt that there is a loop there. I've seen the Union City and Concord
::yars several times (both are visible from the BART lines that pass
::them), and there doesn't look like there are any loops in sight.
:
:So far, so good.  The Union City yard is double ended.  The Concord yard
:has a large number of single ended sidings.  I've never managed to get a
:good look at the Richmond yard.

	One can from the SP/Amtrak line that runs past it from the
Richmond station. And judging from orientations of the BART cars
there, there were a lot of parallel tracks there. And I saw no sign of
a loop, which would probably have to be elevated. Take any Amtrak
train northward past Richmond and you'll see the Richmond yard.

::The Daly City yard I visited for the groundbreaking ceremony for the Colma
::station construction, and there wasn't a loop there either.
:
:Where is the Daly City yard?  I've only ever seen the station with its
:3 platforms and then the lines leading off into the hillside.  I've never
:been able to figure out if they came back out above ground.

	Where is it? It is right next to the SamTrans Colma
park-and-ride, which is just to the east of Junipero Serra Blvd.,
halfway between the Daly City station and Serramonte Mall, maybe a bit
closer to the mall. There is a SamTrans bus that goes to the
park-and-ride lot -- on weekdays.

	The yard is in a dug-out area, below parking-lot level, on the
opposite side from JS Blvd.. There was not a loop in sight, and the
model of the completed Colma station showed no loops either.

	On the map, the yard occupies an unincorporated area of San
Mateo County between Daly City and Colma itself. The station will be
built above the yard.

	Those lines heading off into the hillside are headed to the
Colma station.

	I guess we'll know by 1995 :-)

/Loren
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From: rmrin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (r.m.rickert)
Subject: Re: AMTRAK On-time-liness ?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:48:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.161613.28093@wdl.loral.com> gjs@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.212531.16047@ccu.umanitoba.ca> prking@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Peter King) writes:
>>What sort of experience do folks have with AMTRAK's punctuality performance?
>>Especially on their long distance trains. I would be particluarly
>>interested in knowing if anybody has any experience with the
>>eastbound Empire Builder -- it is usually on-time as it crosses
>>Wisconsin?
>>
>>Peter King
>>
I saw something in print recently that said AMTRAK had better than 90% on time 
in the NE corridor but only between 50 and 60% west of Chicago.
-- 

Dick Rickert  AT&T Consumer Products Laboratory


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From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Railroad simulation for the Mac
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:57:00 GMT

In article <21JUL199222294475@mary.fordham.edu> balzano@mary.fordham.edu (BALZANO-SILVIO) writes:
>To all:
>	I once remember seeing that there was a model RR simulation for a 
>computer (I think someone on this list was building it).  Does such an 
>program exist for the Mac?  How do i get it?  Please answer to me directly, 
>since I don't regularly read the news.
>

     Is there one for the PC as well and why not share the info to the NET
as well.

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Push-Pull Service: Which Way do the Locomotives Point?
Originator: lip@s1.gov
Organization: LLNL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:56:42 GMT


In article <4493@bacon.IMSI.COM>, jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
#- Loren I. Petrich <lip@s1.gov> writes:

#- 	Here in the Bay Area, BART and the Santa Clara light-rail
#- 	systems are both loopless.

#- I thought both Richmond and Daly City had loops?

	What gave you that idea?

	I haven't been able to get a good view of the Richmond yard
(I've taken a look at it a couple of times from Amtrak trains), but I
doubt that there is a loop there. I've seen the Union City and Concord
yars several times (both are visible from the BART lines that pass
them), and there doesn't look like there are any loops in sight. The
Daly City yard I visited for the groundbreaking ceremony for the Colma
station construction, and there wasn't a loop there either.

/Loren
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Subject: MARC loco at Penn Station
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:26:19 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)


	While scoping out the area around the 'new' Penn station,
(the JAF post office) I observed a MARC locomotive moving around the
Penn tracks, in and around the 'yard' area adjacent, visible from
the area just west of  the JAF building.  This is the first time I've
ever seen a M.A.R.C equipment in Penn, let alone anywhere else in NY.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Switchback (was: Trip report on the C&TS)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:27:14 GMT

> > > Interesting linguistic difference. A switchback in non-US usage is a very
> > > hilly road, which gives a ride like one receives on a roller coaster ..
> > I agree with the first definition, but not the second.
> I stand by my description as far as British usage goes :-) It refers to
> an up-and-down ride, not an upwards-by-means-of-zig-zags one.

And indeed, I just happened to notice in John Glover's "London's Underground"
an example of this usage in a rail context.  On the deep-level tube lines
it is often arranged that the line goes downhill and then uphill between
stations, and Glover calls this a "switchback profile".
-- 
Mark Brader		   "Doing the wrong thing is worse than doing nothing."
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto     "Doing *anything* is worse than doing nothing!"
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com		     -- Lynn & Jay: YES, PRIME MINISTER

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From: afsidgb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Gerard Burridge)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: maps with railroads
Summary: Canadian source,Canada Map Office,Rly Assn of Canada
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:02:35 GMT
Reply-To: afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.ca
Organization: Environment Canada


Canadian topo maps are produced by the Canada Map office,Dept of
Energy Mines and resources. mailing address:
  Canada Map office
   615 Booth St.             Phone:  613-952-7000
   Ottawa, Ont.                Fax:  613-957-8861
   K1A 0E9
Maps are avlbl in 1:50000(c$7.05 multicolour) and 1:250 000(also $7.05).
Indexes are avlbl(free I believe xcpt for postage if by mail):
index 1 - Ontario>east, Index 2 - NoOntario>west. ( index 3 is high
Arctic, but not too many rlys there).
Payment by cheque or money order, or Visa/Mastercard(plus prov sales
tax and GST in canada), plus $2.00 handling Canada, $3.00 USA, $4.00
elsewhere.
"Canada Map Office recommends the purchase of map requirements from
the authjorised topo map dealer in your area"
One I have dealt with is 
   Renouf Publishing Company Ltd
   2182 St catherines St W
   Montreal, que.  H3H 1M7
   phone: 514-937-3519 ( may even still have 1-800-267-4164)
     or - 61 sparks St
          Ottawa, Ont   K1P 5R1
          phone - 613-238-8985

the Index also includes list of maps from the National atlas,
National Parks, Maps from Statistics canada, etc.


ADDITIONALLY. The Railway Association of Canada in 1991 published
the Canadian Railway Atlas. This has 16 regional maps to cover the
country(where rlys run!), plus 12 major city maps. Not usually
seen on rly atlas maps: major highways, very useful. Of US
interest, it also include Ind north thru upper Michigan, plus
a good part of New England(ErnNY,Vt,NH,Me,Conn,Mass). In my opnion
an excellent companion to the Canadian Trackside Guide from Bytown.
Cost $24.95. Dont have full address of RAC, but they are at
1117 St Catherine W, Montreal; phone 514-849-4275.
At time I bought the Atlas a coast-to-coast wall map was included
(again with most of USA on it).

-- 
 Gerry Burridge                        afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.ca
 Canadian Meteorological Centre        Tel.: 514-421-4646
 2121 North Service Road - #404        Fax.: 514-421-4639
 Dorval, Que.  -  H9P 1J3
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New Signals on NEC Mainline ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:12:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories Inc.

In article <26258@olympus.wustl.edu> jps@dworkin.wustl.edu (James Sterbenz) writes:
:In article <Brpnnx.5E2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma) writes:
:>Amtrak is converting signals gradually, so eventually more and more signals
:>on the NEC will use the color position aspects.  I don't know the rationale
:>behind the change, but it may be a prelude to the eventual replacement
:>of the position signals with color light signals.
:
:So gradually that it is common to see the colorlight and position light
:signals mixed on the same catenary support (but all of the positions 
:in a head or pair of heads for a given track are converted together,
:of course).
:
:It seems that a change to colorlight is unlikely; this is probably a 
:way to get the signals more in line with standard colorlight, without
:the expense of completly replacing heads.

Speaking of signals on the NEC, I was wondering why Amtrak is spending
all this money to install new kinds of trackside signals on the NEC.
Isn't it true that all locomotives on the NEC must be equipped with
Cab Signals and ATC? So who needs those signals hanging off of various
posts outside (except railfans maybe:-))? 

Just wondering.....

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Subject: Re: NYC's Transit Police
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:00:37 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <_qrx_5#@rpi.edu> kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
> I was just wondering, what sort of authority are the Transit Police under?
>Are they part of the NYPD, the Transit Authority, or both? Do they have the
>same powers as "regular" city cops? And do they just police the subways, or
>do they have other duties?
> For that matter, are there any good books about the NYC Transit Authority 
>as a whole? I've been really curious as to how the whole thing is organized.

	JIM  
		The Transit police force is part of the NYCTA, that is they
are quartered in 370 Jay St, NYCTA headquarters.  they are affiliated with
the other police forces (Housing, NYPD) but have jurisdiction in the
subways specifically.  Transit cops are REAL cops, and are more 'beat'
cops than street cops, IMHO.  that is they patrol more.

	The only book that I can recommend that MAY address some of these
questions would be JIM DWYERs "Subway Lives" that came out last year and
I believe was recently reprinted in paper.  Unfortunately Subway Lives is
not a thorough analysis of the authority - it is a story of a 'typical
day' on the subways and the sort of things that happen thru the system,
anecdotal and based on some true events, including a number of historical
facts, figures, things like that.  I think Dwyer does address the transit
police.  
-- 
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From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:42:28 GMT

In article <geRjG=u00WB_Q=2kgA@andrew.cmu.edu> Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I have uploaded the following files for anonymous ftp from
>wuarchive.wustl.edu in /graphics/trains/jpeg:

Can someone tell me why the train files are stored in JPG format.  In the JPG 
format you lose image quality.  Also, in /graphics/gif/...  al the files ARE
store in GIF format so I don't feel space is the main consideration since there
are 1000+ files in /graphics/gif

Thanks
stewart

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: 11jodom@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: SUBWAY STORIES: Metro
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:39:06 GMT

I decided to reply under "Subway Stories" because I just wanted to let
you folks know that I saw a book at the Dalton [sp?] Books store about
the history of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority's 
metrorail subway system.  

It is a very interesting book.   Has layout plans of what they planned
for the Metro System back then in 1968 until the Metro's opening on
March 16[?], 1976.    

I have been in D.C. [we never call it "Washington"] for 5 years now, and
the Metro is almost completed its' 101-mile system.   

Only one station remains to be built on the Red Line-- Glenmont (in Md.)
Only one station remains to be built on the Blue Line-- Franconia-Springfield
 (in Virginia)

and a few stations remain on the Green Line-- the newest line to have opened.


Metro has come a long way.  This book also gives statistics such as the makes
of the subway cars, and the companies, and which companies made which subway
car (i.e., "cars nbrs 1000-1200 are made by Rohr Industries" etc...)
and so forth.  

I suggest you get it.  It is interesting.  I will get it.  I read it in the
store, since I was broke that time.  Now I will be getting it.  :)



Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: cab@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (carl.a.benevit)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: SD70
Keywords: EMD
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:42:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Since SD70's have been seen, anyone know what the differences are
compared to an SD60? (engine/HP/options/?)
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AT&T Bell Laboratories -              555 Union Boulevard, Allentown, PA 18103

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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Railway Gazette International
From: rale1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Ross Douglas        Alexander      )
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:48:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I read RGI at the public library (Auckland, New Zealand), which also gets
Railway World (I think its this one) and certainly it is a very good
magazine.  The big problem is it arrives 3 months late so its tends to be
slightly less the current, but the articles are very informative and cover
a lot of areas (technically and geographically).

It is well worth reading if you can get hold of it.

Ross Alexander
rale1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

Newsgroups: rec.railroad,soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: $53.75 (was: TTC POP fines (was Railway police in Canada (was NYC's Transit Police)))
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:57:23 GMT

> > This raises a question I've always wondered about:  Why $53.75?  Why not
> > an even $50 (or $55, or $60)?  ...
> Once upon a time some years back, the province decided that in view of
> inflation it would be a good idea to raise all fines by 6.5% ...

Urk.  I meant 7.5%, of course.
-- 
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com
	"I'm a little worried about the bug-eater," she said.  "We're embedded
	in bugs, have you noticed?"		-- Niven, "The Integral Trees"
From: dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: rec. railroad
Summary: Searching for info. about Chicago EL
Keywords: searching for info.
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:52:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Totally Disorganized..

Hi!, Does anybody have any infomation about the current status of the
Chicago EL? I would also like to know about Rapid transit around the
Phoenix-Tuscon area. Any information will be suitable.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

=:-)- See ya!!.
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:25:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul30.134228.6385@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
> In article <geRjG=u00WB_Q=2kgA@andrew.cmu.edu> Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I have uploaded the following files for anonymous ftp from
>>wuarchive.wustl.edu in /graphics/trains/jpeg:
> 
> Can someone tell me why the train files are stored in JPG format.  In the JPG 
> format you lose image quality.  Also, in /graphics/gif/...  al the files ARE
> store in GIF format so I don't feel space is the main consideration since there
> are 1000+ files in /graphics/gif
> 

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Denise said earlier that
she was only given so much space, and she could use the space better if they
were converted to JPG format. I personally like and recommend JPG, all
our files at this university are in JPG except for cartoon GIF's which
don't compress well with JPG, they are usually as big or even larger.
I think the files looked great. I downloaded all the diesel, and the 
caboose and rolling stock files and looked at them on a  SPARC IPC 
computer. We use X windows and have a program downloaded from an FTP site
called XV controls, it can handle many different formats, including JPG,
GIF,sun raster, and can also convert one to Postscript. You can also 
take one and save it in any other format that it can handle.
Also, talking about the compression, I took one of the files that were
out earlier...the one with X3985 Union Pacific challenger, and I believe
it was around 500K, with JPG it was 100K or less, and I couldn't hardly
notice any change at all. Pretty good when you have disk quota's to
deal with. :^(

oh well, just my $.02 worth

Fred Ochs

31OCHS@gw.wmich.edu   (VAX)
ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (UNIX)

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From: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Railway Gazette International
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:20:58 GMT
Reply-To: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk ()
Organization: SERC Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.

--
Cheers,I'd be interested too. However, as far as I understand it, it is
available only to professional railway persons - though I don't know
how they restrict the circulation. Even though published here, it never
makes the shops and only extremely rarely do old copies appear on
enthusiasts stalls. The editor (still Richard Hope ?) is still the No.1
pundit when the media want comments on railway matters.
	Mark
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From: che238n@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Assorted general questions
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:09:50 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <sam.0wdi@terapin.com>, sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit) writes: 
 
> 4) Here's a simple question. What is to keep a vandal from loosening and/or
> removing the bolts on rail joiners? I mean, it seems to me all someone would
> need is a wrench! 

Have you ever tried to remove the nut of a rail bolt? Within days of rail
joints being bolted and nuts can sieze by rusting. I have done track work on a
preserved railway at Queenscliff in Victoria, Australia and believe me it takes
several minutes of bashing the nut with a sledge hammer before they will turn.
The type of wrench (or track spanner as they are called here) required would
have a handle about 6 feet long. If you are still concerned, try suggesting
continuous welded rail. Australian National Railways has sections of rail up to
50 miles long on the Alice Springs line.
 
> 5) Here's a weird one. I've noticed that when an American PASSENGER train needs
> to move some cars around, it seems to take forever. A good example. The switch
> they (used to?) make in Salt Lake City where the Zephyr splits up (or joins).
> It seems they'll sit around for awhile, then pull up past a switch, long pause,
> the switch is thrown, long pause again, the change is made. I've noticed on
> European trains where these types of makeups apparently happen very often, it
> is extremely fast. I've seen a train "uncoupled", and within seconds the front
> half of the train is gone. No sitting around. Is this just my imagination?

The Victorian Railways in Australia had a similar practice in the 1960s. The
8.15am from Melbourne to Albury and Tocumwal ran from Melbourne to Seymour (60
miles) and split. The Albury portion departed first, then a Seymour based loco
would attach to the Tocumwal portion and depart within 6 minutes of arrival.
The New South Railways made much use of this with their long distance
intra-state overnight trains such as the "Through West Mail" from Sydney to
Parkes and Dubbo, The "North Mail" to Moree and Tenterfield and the
"Canberra-Monaro Express" to Canberra and Cooma. The "South Coast Daylight" 
was an unusual train as it usually consisted of five Budd cars which ran from
Sydney to Woolongong and then split up onto five brach lines. The railcars 
would be rejoined at Woolongong for the return to Sydney. It would be great 
fun to be at Woolongong if one Budd car had broken down or was delayed.

There are only two such services of this type still running in Australia. The
Sunday "Goulburn Valley Limited" from Melbourne to Aulbury and Cobram (the train
is still split at Seymour, although it takes about 8 minutes) and the
Queensland Railways "Westlander" from Brisbane to Cunnamulla and Quilpie, the 
train is split at Charleville.

If anyone wants info about Australian railways e-mail me at a respectable hour.

Dave

che238n@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au

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