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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:37:25 -0800
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

Michael Saxon writes:

>This intuitively makes sense to me because I would expect that individuals
>either don't ask out, or are intimidated by, people who are more attractive
>than they are (ceteris paribus).  On the other hand, people probably don't
>want to go out with people they perceive as being "uglier" than themselves.
>Whaddya think?
>
>Michael Saxon
>University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana

My recollection of the original results was that everyone wanted to go out
with the most beautiful people, but everyone wound up with dates of their
attractiveness level. I can't recall whether everyone wanted to go out with
the most beautiful folks and didn't ask them, but instead asked people at
their own level, or whether they asked the beautiful people and, after
being rejected by the upper crust, turned to others of more average level
to ask out (or both).

Then there's the whole issue of what people do in everyday life, but I
won't touch that one just yet!

cheers,

Tor

Tor Neilands                            Computation Center
Systems Analyst                      University of Texas at Austin
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Attractiveness
              25, 93 7:40 pm

>
> Tor Neilands writes:
>
> >I think the last point raised about "couples who look like one another" is
> >an interesting phenomenon---one has to wonder how much of that happens from
> >similar others getting together (folks of similar attractiveness levels)
> >vs. two people getting together and changing each other such that they
> >become more similar to each other over time? Is it the chicken or the egg?
>
> Matthew Prull responds:
>
> You know, I could swear that Robert Zajonc did some research on this
> on this a while back.  I'm pretty sure that he generally found that
> couples that have lived together for many years, like 30-40 or so,
> begin to resemble each other facially.  That is, their faces change
> over time so that they begin to resemble each other.  Don't ask me
> what the reference is, it's been a while since I looked at that one!
>
> If we can say that this is true, how can we explain it?  Seems to me
> that when someone is deeply enamored or attached to a significant
> other in their life they tend to imitate that person in various ways.
> Every once in a while I catch myself talking like my girlfriend, using
> some idiosyncratic verbal inflections or whatever.  Basically,
> sometimes I sound like her.  I've even temporarily adopted some
> mannerisms exhibited by those professors whom I respect and admire.
> Anyway, maybe it's possible that when two people who are emotionally
> attached to each other for a long period of time and unconsciously
> imitate each other for years and years simply are using the same
> facial muscles, and, subsequently, begin to resemble each other
> because they act alike.  ???  This is a stretch, but it does pose some
> interesting thoughts.
>

I too seem to find that my S.O. and me have adapted each other's facial and
speech patterns over the years, although we both borrowed heavily from
a former roommate of mine!

Also, don't people tend to look like their dogs too?

8)
SF

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From:         "JOHN P. KLINE" <KLINE@ARIZVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CowPlop Fans

I've dealt with the "CoPlop" topic by deleting any messages with the
same subject heading.  I am not interested in having my mailbox clogged
with armchair quarterbacks' armchair psychological discussions.  I agree with
Matthew on this issue... We need to limit the discussions to topics
relevant to graduate students in psychology, lest this become a bulletin
board, and a general bulletin board at that.

If anyone wants me to see their replys to these comments, they'll have
to send them under a seperate heading, as I really don't have time to
sift through all of the CowPlop bullplop.  May I suggest "Constraining
the Discussions on PSYCGRAD", or something similar as a heading.

John Kline
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From:         "STEVEN T. HARDY--GALLAUDET UNIVERSITY" <12SHARDY@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions

>> Hey kiddies,
>>
>> Is anyone planning on going to MPA or APS this April & June, respectively?
>>


I am not planning on either of those two but am going to the NASP Conv in April
here in Washington, DC.  Is anyone else out there planning on doing the same???

Steve

(NASP-National Assn of School Psychologists)

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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      APAGS Action!!

If you would like to nominate Matthew Simpson for the position of
Chair-Elect of the American Psychological Association of Graduate
Students, please complete the following information and send to
Matthew Simpson 054340@acadvm1.uottawa.ca or 054340@uottawa.bitnet

The deadline is past!  However, I am doing a last minute campaign.
Do this now!  You must be an affiliate member of the APA.

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I, _____________________________ would like to nominate Matthew Simpson
from the University of Ottawa for the position of Chair-Elect of the
American Psychological Association of Graduate Students.  I am a student
affiliate of the APA.  My address is: ____________________________
                                      ____________________________
                                      ____________________________
                                      ____________________________
                                      ____________________________

Thank you for accepting this nomination.  I acknowledge that this
nomination is being sent via electronic mail to Matthew Simpson who
will then print and forward all received material to:

     APAGS, Todd Mook
     750 First Street
     N. E. Washington D.C.
     20002-4242

Sincerely,
_____________________



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To those of you who have endorsed my candidacy for that position,
thank you very much!

Have fun, everyone!!!   :-)

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From:         CASE ELIZABETH <PSYGRDDEC@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma

If I'm remembering the Prisoner's Dilemma right, I don't understand why
it wouldn't be approved.  As I remember it, it goes something like this:

You have been arrested for a crime along with your accomplice.  If you
confess and your accomplice doesn't, you will be let go and your accomplice
will go to jail.  If they confess and you don't, the reverse is true.
If you both confess, you will both go to jail.  If neither confess, neither
go to jail.

You have to say whether you would confess or not.  Why is this unethical?

Elizabeth
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From:         "JOHN P. KLINE" <KLINE@ARIZVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: questionnaires/validity of self report data

The Marlowe-Crowne Social Desirability Scale is Published in a book called
"The Approval Motive", by Crowne and Marlowe.  Thus, you can most likely
get it from your school library.

John Kline
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From:         barry <CMSPSY20@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ethics

I just had a thought about ethics.  (Scary, isn't it.)  Perhaps a study
is in order.  Remember the Milgram study where he "arrested" student
volunteer subjects and subjected them to all kinds of humiliations
while serving time in prison?  Remember how the professors who talk about
this study always say "Of course, this study would never be approved
by the review boards today".  Here's the idea for a study.  Write up the
Milgram study (or something similar) as if it had not been done before and
submit it to the review boards of a sample of universities that have a
strong research presence.  See if it is approved anywhere.  I'd be willing
to bet that approval could be won.  Many review boards are so overworked
and have so little an understanding of research and its implications
that some would probably support such a study.

Of course, ethical considerations alone preclude my taking part in such an
effort.

Barry
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:00:09 -0500
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: More on Bathroom behavior studies. (try again)
              93 03:49:34 pm

=>
=>    I don't go in for making splashing noises.  I usually expose one of my
=> canine teeth and growly slowly.  If anyone comes closer after that, I
=> bite them on the back of the neck.

        I'll bet =that= response would create some rather "interesting"
discussions if you happened to be one of the subjects in the studies being
discussed.


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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Ethics

The handwashing study brings to mind another question.  I would be
interested to know how many folks on our list are required to take a
formal course in ethics (at the grad level)?  Perhaps this would be
an important supplement to Betty's survey re her handwashing study.
I am pretty sure that APA requires it of clinical students, but I
think it is equally important that social, experimental, etc
understand the ethical issues in research.
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From:         TBN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      RE: CowPlop Fans

Matthew Simpson writes a long letter which is too long to repost
here...

However, I take issue with one comment Matthew made about limiting
the contents of this discussion list to topics which are 'implicitly
relevant to graduate students in psychology'. Who decides exactly
what such topics are?

For myself, I think the football discussion is an outstanding example
of how psychologists can take a real-world phenomenon like football
and render various interpretations of it--for example, see sf's
psychodynamic interpretation and my social learning approach to the
issue, as well as the 'football as rape' motif advanced by another
(sorry i cannot remember the author's name at present) poster.

We could limit ourselves to discussing sanctioned  topics mentioned
only in journal articles, but that's exactly what's wrong with
scientific psychology today, I contend--we need to talk more about
real world social phenomena, not less! Also, there's the separate issue
of the potential loss of our humanity by limiting our 'conversational
topics'. Is PSYCGRAD an electronic journal? Should we limit our
discussions to journal-like topics? I thought that's what PSYCGRD-J
was for--the more formal discussion of topics of interest to
psychologists whereas psycgrad is more informal.

This doesn't mean that I approve of flames or posts that are made withou
careful intellectual thought. Maybe we need to work harder to define
appropriate and inappropriate post types. Matthew, perhaps exemplars
would be helpful, even if they are hypothetical.

This is just my .02 worth on what i consider to be a pretty serious
issue (note: as always, this is most certainly *not* a flame; if it
is taken as one, I apologize in advance for not stating my thoughts
clearly enough).

thanks,

tor
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From:         "psp.foxcroft" <D.Foxcroft@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: REQUEST E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR Univ. of HULL

>
>
> Does anyone know the e-mail address for the University of Hull in
> North Humberside, England. More specifically, if one knows the
> e-mail address for the Dept of Psychology, it would be appreciated.
> THANKS!!
>
>
>
>  DAN (F16M@UNB.CA)
>

Dear Dan,

the Department of Psychology here at Hull University, U.K.
does not have a specific E-mail address. However, individuals
within that department do have E-mail addresses. I can either pass on
your message to them, or I can let you have their E-mail address
(if they use it?).

My E-mail address is: DF34@UK.AC.HULL



Yours,


David Foxcroft, Psychology Department, University of Hull
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From:         "Rocky Paluch S.B.U." <RPALUCH@SBU.EDU>
Organization: Saint Bonaventure University
Subject:      Re: NO SUBJECT

To all "cowplop" fans, greetings from the Thousand Islands.  Hang on
to your ten-gallon hats!  The CFL (Canadian Football League) is
expanding into the U.S.  Just wait 'til the Ottawa Roughriders hit
town!

Regards,
Bert Headrick, Health Science, Brockville

I heard that the two U.S. addiditons to the CFL (San Antonio &
Sacramento) will both take the nickname "ROUGHRIDERS".  There is
experimental evidence showing that the more teams in the league
called roughriders causes greater fan interest.  Since there are only
two in the CFL....
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From:         Holly Pollard <PSPOLLAR@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ethics

Mike,
     Here at East Carolina, the School, Clinical, and (I believe) the Experi-
mental programs all have courses on ethics as requirements.

Holly
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Attractiveness

>Does the matching hypothesis explain why people look
>like their dogs?  Are we copying our dogs' facial
>expressions, or are they copying ours'?  Or is it just
>that dogs who don't look like their owners experience
>less satisfaction with the relationship and run away?
>:)  :)  :)  :)     Can you tell I'm in a goofy mood?
>                   Jennifer at USC

Harold Kelley would argue that it's P-O interchange (A P-D interchange in
this case?) where the owner's behavior influences the dog's outcomes and
thus the dog's behaviors are in turn affected, thereby influencing the
owner again, and so on and so forth...:-)

jokingly yours,

Tor

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From:         barry <CMSPSY20@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: prisoner study

You're right, of course.  Zimbardo did the prisoner study.  Milgram did the
electric shock study.  For some unknown reason, I tend to confuse these
two researchers.

Barry
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From:         PCABE@PEMBVAX1.PEMBROKE.EDU
Subject:      Re: SES Measure for Kids

...citing marginal cases seems justified only as a caution about the
interpretation of aggregate measures. Your examples, by the way, make their
own assumptions about the meaning of SES (e.g., education, occupation) which
can be argued, too.

Anyone who has thought more than a few seconds about the problem of defining
SES can see that it is a pretty fuzzy concept. The point of the original
query, it seems to me, is how to operationalize the concept in some objective
way for a special population. And, as with any operationalization, there are
multiple choices to select from, any of which is arguable. The point is
to find one that (even if arguable) is publically verifiable.

Pat Cabe
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From:         mssg3304@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma

>On a related topic, I have been looking for a copy of an OLD
>Kagan article about "Tit-for-Tat" strategies in south american
>kids (but not white american kids).  Something to the effect of
>the south american kids taking turns winning a game that could
>only be won by the cooperation of one's opponent, while
>american kids could come up with no such solution, and as a
>consequence the game always ended in a draw.  Does anyone know
>this reference?  Specifically, it is the GAME that I am
>interested in.  I wanted to use it in class, to see if I could
>elicit some resolutions to the "Prisoner's Dilemma."
>Thanks!
>--Kathy Morgan

The reference I believe you want is:

Kagan, S., and Madsen, M.C. Cooperation and Competition of Mexican,
Mexican-American, and Anglo-American children of two ages under four
instruction sets. Developmental Psychology, 1971, vol. 5, 32-39.

G.P. Knight, Charles McClintock, and Evie McClintock have all done more
recent studies on cross-cultural development of fairness rules.  Let me
know if you need some more cites.
Michael Saxon
University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana
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From:         "STEVEN T. HARDY--GALLAUDET UNIVERSITY" <12SHARDY@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ACTION ALERT!!

Matthew,

        You got my support.  I mailed a letter this afternoon (It might have
been quicker to walk it there cuz we are about a mile about but snail mail will
suffice) and I also forwarded your email to the school psych program people
here.  Best of luck!!!

Steve



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