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From: mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, CS Staf)
Subject: Re: sysman and import for 165?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:27:32 GMT

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:

> mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, CS Staf) writes:
> > I noticed that under 1.65, waffle sysman has an export function.
> > 
> > My question is:  Does anyone have an import function?
 
> A few problems with that type of program....
> 
>     1. How are you going to come up with the account names? Can't use
>        just the first name, too many duplicates. Same with first name
>        last initial. What if the first name is more than 8 characters?

We generate the userid from a dbase application.  All student info is in dbase4
We use First Initial, year of grad, and 1st six letters of the last name.
For example:  If John Doe was to finish in 1994, his userid would be: j4doe.


> 
>     2. What are you going to use for a password. Just about any info
>        you would have on file would likely be known by people other
>        than that student. Some dishonest person could really cause
>        problems.

We do the same thing for our mainframe users.  We set the password to the same thing as their userid, and tell them to change it when they first login.
We have been doing this for 8 years without problems.

I should note that this is a MBA/PHD school, and we don't have teenage hackers
trying into the system.

> 
> Probably the best way to handle it would be to have them just logon
> and signup as a new user. Then have an external program that'll
> compare their name to a list and upgrade the access level if it's
> found.

No.  We tried this.  People simply don't read the signup screens.  Most people
did not follow the quidelines on what we wanted for userids.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> System@micromed.com (Duane Davis)                       System Operator
> Micro-Medic                                         voice (408)293-3299
> 711 Lincoln Avenue                   public access usenet (408)279-5240
> San Jose, CA 95126                  public access pcboard (408)280-1610
>                Authorized Waffle beta distribution site.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------


mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, CS Staf)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: cybrspc!wwiv!84-500@cs.umn.edu (sysadmin#lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) #84 @500)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: A Poor Stacker application
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:50:36 GMT

719-503@wwiv.cojones.com (mike.batchelor#pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Mike Batchelor)   writes:

> I have 2.01 Stacker, 2.42 DV and 1.02B DVX.

Would you mind posting info on the DVP you use to run Waffle on under DV on
your machine, as well as specs on hardware in use?  I am in the process of
tweaking Waffle to run under DV here and I don't like re-inventing the wheel.
All I want is to run one copy to take incoming calls in the background while a
second copy sits up front local-only for console use.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: af530@yfn.ysu.edu (Peter Whitfield)
Subject: Re: Waffle Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:37:01 GMT



I have a question that can be summed up as:

212-988-5030    or    telnet phantom.com

WHAT THE F**K IS THIS THING? 

I login and read this and my brain is on overload.
One of the owner's is a writer for Mondo, they have like
wall to wall media people, science fiction people, Bruce
Sterling is on there, the EFF, Legion of Doom, NBC, CBS
Newsday, Geraldo, god knows who else...  I got this info
out of the latest Computer Underground Digest, which is
also on there.

While I'm in trendy/media-glitz heaven and not even 
validated yet, what I want to know >>> real bad <<<
what is it running?  It looks like Waffle did a mind
meld with god knows what.  

Its running on a NeXT turbo with like 3 Suns and some
other stuff and the  credits list "Thomas E Dell" as 
the "principle Software Architect"  WTF? 

is this thing some kind of not-so-well-kept secret 
alpha site?  I see threads in message bases which I 
can't read yet, I see every command changed and grouped 
into areas , I see all this stuff that is making
me covet the software real bad!  Is it even waffle, I 
can't tell: everything looks different and none of the 
commands are the same ???

Who owns the rights to this thing?  Is it Waffle 2.0,
or Did Tom write a custom system for them, or where did
it come from?  

WHAT IS THIS THING AND WHERE DO I GET IT?????!!!!!

I am calm now
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Multiple addresses
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:00:22 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...


     Hi Folks! Here's a(nother) question. I know that under 1.65, you can
address one piece of mail to many people, and it *should* send one piece
to as many people as can fit on the address line. This works well for mail
sent to aliases, but I can't do it locally.

     In other words, lets say I've got an account called snarfblat, which
sends mail to foo, bar, and foobar.  If someone OFFSITE sends mail to
snarfblat, the mail comes out as addressed from UUCP, to foo, bar, and
foobar-- in one message. If locally, I mail snarfblat, it generates 3
pieces of mail, one apiece to foo, bar, and foobar. This aliases are
listed by name in the aliases file, rather than from a file (via
+\path\file). Am I missing something, or is this how it works? Is there a
way I can generate those multi-addressed messages myself?

                          Jeff (AKA he who is grateful for C.B.W)

...From a tiny little node called Eternal!
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From: Jon Freivald <jaf@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Polling problems
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:57:15 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

I'm trying to set up a friend with a Waffle system that I will feed.
The problem is, when our two systems connect, his gets logged in, then,
instead of getting the news that's spooled for him, we get scads of BAD
HEADER messages, there's a pause (no SD/RD on the modem) & it starts
over again (again with the BAD HEADER messages).  Once, after letting it
run like this for over 5 minutes, we had a whole 29 bytes on his system.

My system hasn't had any problems from my feed since the first day I set
it up.  Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Jon

=============================================================================
		   Jon Freivald ( jaflrn!jaf@uunet.UU.NET )
	 Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it.
=============================================================================
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Scheduler Needed
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:53:31 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...


     Hi folks! I just upgraded to a 386/16, and DOS 5, and my AT.COM
program no longer works-- I kinda expected this to happen. Does anyone
know of a nice scheduler that will work under DOS 5.0? Here's the lowdown
on my system, in case it will help any:

          i386/16 (AMI Bios, 2MB Ram)
          130MB Maxtor IDE (64K cache built in)
          1 each- 3.5"HD, 5.25"HD
          Trident 1MB SVGA
          Epson VGA Monitor
          Soundblaster V2.0
          DOS 5.01
          Waffle 1.65

     Any help is appreciated!

                              Jeff

...From a tiny little node called Eternal!
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   / |Smail  to:   Jeff Gostin, 917 High Ridge Pass, Carol Stream IL 60188
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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Vacation program
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:13:43 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

Hi Folks! Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of the Vacation
program? I don't have FTP, so I'll need to go by either mail server, or
human server... :-) Thanx muchly!

                              Jeff

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From: clubzen.fidonet.org!work!mwallis
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Multiple addresses
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 13:58:58 PDT
Organization: Work - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA

peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:

> jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) writes:
> 
> > 
> >      Hi Folks! Here's a(nother) question. I know that under 1.65, you can
> > address one piece of mail to many people, and it *should* send one piece
> > to as many people as can fit on the address line. This works well for mail
> > sent to aliases, but I can't do it locally.
> 
> I wondered aabout that one and Tom Dell told me that its supported by
> rmail etc but not from within waffle... ( yet ?)

I've had no problems specifying multiple addresses in mail. I use:

m user1@system1.com site1!hop!system2!user2 70000,000@compuserve.com

It doesn't matter what form the address is. It tells me there are multiple
addresses before asking for the subject, and when done, it lists each
addressee (in alphabetcal order yet!) when posting.

Works fine.

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clubzen.fidonet.org!work!mwallis (Michael Wallis)
From: rich@grayhawk.rent.com (Richard R. Harms)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Running NN and PINE under Unix
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:35:32 GMT
Organization: Grayhawk - Des Moines Public Access Unix - 515/277-6753

In article <3596@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> lbrodsky@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Lloyd Brodsky) writes:
>Does anybody know how to run NN (a newsreader) or Pine, a mailer, under
>Unix. The key problem is that is you simply reference these programs as
>an external program, all the mail and posts come from the account I'm running
>Waffle under and not from the individual user accounts (which don't exist
>from the viewpoint of Unix.
>
>What I'd like to have happen is for both programs to pick up the mailsig
>in each users' subdirectory and keep a separate set of high message numbers
>in each user subdirectory as well and show the mail as coming from the "true"
>user.

You might consider looking it tin - It seems to be close to doing what you
want, it allows you to compile out shell escapes (but isn't perfect, I've been
trying to clean up any holes in it. *sigh*), but seems to be very easy to use
from talking to a few people who use it right now. Its similar to 'nn' but
its interface seems simpler and clearer IMHO.

-rh
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Qedit with v1.65
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:29:42 GMT
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

sid@drc.UUCP (SiD ViCioUs) in <kL4BqB1w165w@drc.UUCP> writes:
> Ok Im running Waffle v1.65 (Just upgradded last night), DrDOS6.0 and I 
> cant seem to get qedit to load as a editior.. I used the config. that it 
> came with.. And I got it to say Im useing Qedit as a editior..But when I 
> go to post no qedit.. And yes.. I have qmodem in C:\bin..

Maybe your local editor isn't set up ..  Go to STATUS and change your
editor to qedit.  There are two types of editor now, local and remote.
If you are logged in locally then STATUS will set local editor; remotely
- remote editor.
From: N. Richard Caldwell <nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: 1.65 Docs Wrong About Orphans
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 05:07:17 GMT
Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)

According to RMAIL.DOC that comes with 1.65 copies of bounced
messages are saved in a directory for a user called "orphan".

Actually, bounced messages are now stored in a mail folder called
"orphan" in the system user directory.  You can get to them by
using the "SYS" command and then GO ORPHAN.  

Just FYI.


"Don't drive too slowly."         Richard Caldwell
                                  The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)
                                  {n8emr|nstar}!bluemoon!bsbbs!nrc
                                  nrc@bsbbs.Columbus.OH.US
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: DOS "cron"/schedule - useless ??!?!?!
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:00:56 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Waffle BBS, Clive IA USA, +1 515 226 2156

system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch) writes:

>   Starting to get serious about the system here and tried implementing
> the schedule feature.  Either I don't understand this or it is
> actually useless unless you have a tremendious volume of callers
> forcing the waffle to exit and restart - at least as often as you have
> schedules set.  If I read the DOS.DOC file correctly, this is how it
> is.

Nay.. it is VERY useful and works well here. Waffle does not
need to reload for events in the schedule file to execute.

--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: 115200 Modem speed
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:37:05 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

Hi netlanders:

  I'm trying to get waffle 1.64 to run with my telebit Worldblazer
at 115200 bps.  I'm using BNU170, locked @ 115200.  My question is,
what do it put in the speed: & locked: fields in waffle/system/static ?
anything i tried just gave me an '..unsupported..' message.

  I'm currently running @ 38400 w/o problems.

  Thanks in advance



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*             ||                    || Encinitas, Ca. 92024     *
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From: hho@usc.edu (*** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: UUCP
Date: 1 Sep 1992 09:40:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi,
I am using Pegasus Mail on a Novell network to deliver mail
to Waffle UUCP spool.. Enclosed are the files. They 
are delivered to the outgoing spool perfectly.
My smart host is elroy.jpl.nasa.gov. The uucp transfer is
perfect also. Problem is that after mail get over to
elroy (or anyother Unix mailer), it is trashed, delivered
to outer space :-(

Could someone please tell me if the files are correct? :-)
No problem if login waffle and send out.. 
THanks
H.


*.CMD file
==========
S a1a95487.DAT D.cccogpa1a95487 HUNG - a1a95487.DAT 0666
S a1a95487.XQT X.cccogpa1a95487 HUNG - a1a95487.XQT 0666

*.DAT file
==========
From HUNG, 1 Sep 92 09:03:39 PST 8 PDT remote from cccogp
To: hho@usc.edu
From:     HUNG@cccogp.com
Date:     1 Sep 92 09:03:38 PST
Subject:  :-)
Reply-to: Hung@cccogp.com
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R1).

Testing
H.
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Hung P. Ho, Jr. (John)                                    C.C.C.O.G.P.
(213) 680-1190 EBBS/Data                               hung@cccogp.com
(213) 625-5748 Fax                    system%cccogp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov

*.XQT file
==========
U HUNG cccogp
Z
F D.cccogpa1a95487
I D.cccogpa1a95487
C rmail hho@usc.edu




-- 
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Hung P. Ho, Jr. (John)     USC DENTISTRY    PH.SYSTEMS          CCCOGP  
                           hho@usc.edu      hung@phsys.com      hung@cccogp.com
From: mvdl@et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Problems with NEWSdir
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:33:12 +0200
Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering

In article <80PJqB4w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us>, bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
> mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> We're having a little trouble with subdirectories created by UUXQT for the
>> NEWS-directory... somehow this is not very stable in DOS, and as a result we
>> often have many lost- en crosslinked clusters...
> 
> I've not seen Waffle (uuxqt) EVER do anything rude to directories.
> Well, except that DOS hates group names like *.aux and c++ or like
> that. Then, they just never get created.

Waffle is not the problem here, it's dos... DOS os very messy with
subdirectories (subdirectories REALLY differ from the root-directory, it's a
completely different concept), especially when you have many, many etries in
those... The're's an unwritten law that forids more than 256 entries in a 
directorie (theoretically subdorectories may contain more than 256 entries,
but this will f*ck up your FAT and/or other things somehow in the end... Not to
mention an incredible slowdown of the DISK IO)..

> 
>> I wonder: could this problem be solved by using a fake-volume for this news-
>> directory... Just a file that pretents to be a drive ? (somewhat like a 
>> stacker-volume, but UNcompressed and very good at subdirectories etc.)..
> 
> Are you SUBSTuting drive designations for subdirectories? I've never
> tried that, but it would seem a little silly for news. (?)
> 

Again this is not what I meant... What I want is a file with a constant lenght
where all the news-messages can be stored. This file should be random
accessable AND have some kind of INDEX, that can locate any message by offset
in the file... By means of some kind of driver, this file must appear as a
drive to DOS. The advantages are: NO FAT used, but another (more stable) foramt
of index, improval of speed AND no loss of bytes on the drive... a large
harddisk with large clusters looses alot of space with relative small
news-messages... In a file every byte can be adressed, thus making better use
of your diskspace...   I just wonder if some pogram like this is around and
where I can get it...

Michel.

> 
> 
> --- 
> Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
> Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: DOS "cron"/schedule - useless ??!?!?!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:28:32 EDT
Organization: .sdrawkcaB sgnihT gnipyT roF yteicoS ehT

dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:

> Whether I was upstairs or down, it would try my latest variation within
> fifteen minutes of when I got done setting it up.  I think Waffle cron
> does everything I could want it to do within the constraint of DOS's
> single thread and I don't understand what you are looking for that it
> doesn't do.  (Of course, I do my fooling around without the source.)

One thing that I've discovered (and may have been posted here, or may
even be buried in the docs where I've never noticed it) is that every
time waffle.exe is executed, it checks the date/time of
/waffle/system/stamp, then updates it. This is how it tells when it was
last started so it can determine if it has any events pending. I
frequently change the time stamp of this file in order to make it poll
before the next event is due. The only "problem" (feature?) I've noticed
is that if it's after midnight and there's an even between the time/date
stamp and midnight, that event will not be run.

---
"Man created God in his own image." - Lazarus Long

Bryan Hannahs      |   a-dent@somenode.uucp    a-dent@bluemoon.rn.com
(aka Arthur Dent)  |               bryan@bluemoon.rn.com
From: jon%vector0.UUCP@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Scheduler Needed
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:03:21 PDT
Organization: Vector Zero

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:

> jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) writes:
> >      Hi folks! I just upgraded to a 386/16, and DOS 5, and my AT.COM
> > program no longer works-- I kinda expected this to happen. 
> 
> Why would you expect this to happen? I too run an AT.COM program 

     Different AT.COM's.  The one Jeff's talking about is a
scheduling AT (ie, unix at).  You're talking about AT as in
COM port AT.
     I too ran the unix AT when I had Dos 3.3 -- it inserts
a command line into command.com at a certain time of day/week/etc.
Ie, "at 10:00 poll" would (if you're sitting at command.com) poll
at 10 am.
     Dos 5 breaks it.  Now I use a different method: With HDM
(Hard Disk Menu) I set the menu scheduler to "uucico" every
90 minutes.  And at specified times of the day I run "queue.bat"
to make empty poll.cmd files.  As long as the computer sits at the
menu, the scheduler will work fine (seeing that I poll mainly at
2 am or 4 am, no big deal).

--Jon

   jon%vector0@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US                Life is like a kiwi.
   PacBell.COM!sactoh0!vector0!jon


Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Answer: import for sysman
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:06:09 GMT

mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, CS Staf) writes:

>I looked at the source for sysman, and I was able to add an import function.
>Using output from dbase,  I have added 800 userids into the waffle system.
>If there is a demand, I can post the sources.

yes. I'd like to see (have) one. Please do post or send mee-mail.
Make sure you don't post parts from waffle source code though :-)  otherwise....
Tom will be mad but I'll be very very happy :-)
Since I don't have the source code, would it be possible for you
to compile it for DOS ?.

Thanks.
-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,alt.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: WAF165.ZIP at garbo.uwasa.fi
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:35:44 GMT



   Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1992 23:05:16 -0700
   From: Ralph Sims <ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com>

   I have uploaded WAF165.ZIP to garbo.uwasa.fi. This is the release version
   of Waffle, version 1.65.  Waffle is authored by Thomas Dell, and is a
   complete bbs, usenet, and uucp package for MS-DOS.  Waffle also contains
   a file download area.  Support for Waffle can be found in comb.bbs.waffle.
   The software is offered as shareware.

   Please let me know if you require more information.


Thank you for your contribution. This is now available as:

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/bbs/waf165.zip

-harri-

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Problem reading USENET news under UNIX Waffle
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 00:47:29 GMT

Okay, I've installed v1.65 of Waffle, and all seems to work fine.

Until I go to read messages.

I'm constantly getting "No messages on XXXXX", where XXXXX is the
local or USENET newsgroup I wish to read.

I'm not sure what else there is to do. Can anyone shed some light?

MD
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