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From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:21:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <63620007@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>So, for 5 lunchhours per week, you have spent 1500 calories per
>week on exercise.  At 7000 calories per pound of fat, you
>would lose a pound roughly every 5 weeks with this regime.

I thought it was more like 3500 calories/pound of fat.  Also, that
exercise promotes benefits beyond the immediate work performed both
by increasing lean muscle mass and by an increase in the BMR that
lasts past the cessation of the exercise.  Doesn't an increase in
lean muscle mass ==> increase in number of calories burned / day?

One other point: exercise has a variety of psychological benefits
that transcend the immediate burning of calories.

>Alas, exercise *and* diet are both crucial.

No argument there.
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: v125qmam@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ami R Pflugrad)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: WW - Where do they meet?
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi all,
	I was ready to call WW last week and sign up for a program.
	I was shocked to see the nearest center was a 30 min drive.
	Do they have their weekly meeting at other places than the center?
	(I dont know if Ill be able to make the meetings if I have to 
        continue to leave work 1/2 an hour early). 

Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas)
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:05:35 PDT

In article <BsxIwz.ECv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, on 13 Aug 1992 15:55:46 GMT,
jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas) writes:

>
>
>I have a basic question: since May 92 I walk rather briskly
>4-5 lunchhours per week (50 mins.) How come I haven't lost
>weight. My eating habits have NOT changed. Other than walking
>regularly, I play tennis approximately 5 hours per week, but
>that I have always done. Any answers? I appreciate this group

When you say "briskly", how far are you talking about?  Ie, do
you walk 5 - 5.25 km in that 50 minutes (which is indeed brisk),
or is it more like 4 km? (5.25 km in 50 minutes is 4 mph for the
metrically-impared among us.)

Have you kept a food log?  It only takes a small snack, or a
slightly larger helping of something at dinner to replace the
calories burned by the walking.

Given that you play tennis *and* walk, I'll bet your cardiovascular
system is in great shape.  The scale doesn't measure that.

  -- 73 de Chris Thomas, AA6SQ (ex-WA6HTJ) (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Food du jour
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:06:20 GMT

In article <1696quINNi94@hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com> teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey) writes:
>
>
>Tear off large pieces of foil and place 1.5 cups of potatoes, onions, and 
>carrots in the middle of each one (amount of foil depends on how much 
>veggies you're preparing).  Sprinkle with salt and pepper and dot with 
>butter/margarine to suit your fat level.  (You could probably get away with 
>a little bit of chicken broth instead of the margarine, or maybe even Pam
>sprayed on the foil.)  Roll and seal up edges of foil and place on the 
>grill.  We put the packets on the grill right over newly flaming coals and 
>it didn't seem to be too hot for proper cooking.  It takes about 40 minutes to 
>cook.  We left them on while the fish was grilling, too.  Smells delicious 
>and is good for you.
>
>Teri Tracey
>San Diego, CA

Try some method and seasonings with slabs of slice cabbage.  Cooks in a
hurry and is delicious.  I try to get the largest onions I can find so
one slice of onion will fit over one slab slice of cabbage.  On the 
margarine/oil, I use my handy dandy basting brush (new paint brush when
I started using it) and just dip it into the oil, shake it down and just
"paint" the foil before putting the ingredients on it.  Works great.

I use the paint brush basting method for a lot of things that require
oil, etc.

Thanks for sharing.

Good luck everyone.

Keep up the good work and the lbs down.

"Think Slim - Be Slim"

"I like myself unconditionally"

F [:)

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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Packing Lunches
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:41:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug15.072428.23124@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>I've recently started working full-time, and packing lunches has always
>seemed a boring and time-consuming job to me, but pack I must.
>
>Any and all hints as to how to make brown-bagging it more pleasant,
>while keeping it low-fat, greatly appreciated!
>
>
>Annie
>
I think the best thing for brown bagging is to make pasta, potatoe or
rice salads using non-fat yogurt or non-fat italian dressings in place
of the fat!

Use your favorite recipe and one of the appropriate fat substitutes.
It is really fine!

I make potatoe salad with red onions, red peppers, lots of celery,
grated carrots, and use lots of Gulden's mustard and non-fat yogurt.
It is so great! It has almost zero fat and is extrmely hgealthy and
nutritious.

Also, just wanted to add, I tried the vegetarian egg substitute in
muffins this morning, they were great ( the stuff has zero fat) and
they weren't heavy like some eggless muffins. I used "Arrowhead Mills"
brand whole grain bran muffin mix. I added NO FAT (recipe called for 2
TBSP. per batch) and of course there was no fat in the egg substitute.
I figure there was 1 gram of fat per muffin. I dropped one tsp. of
pure fruit spread in the middle of each muffin as I poured it into the
tin.

These would also be awesome for lunch-packing!!!

But my favorite thing is always a HUGE fruit salad. I  always feel
decadent when I put some really fancy fruit in the salad, like fresh
strawberries, fresh raspberries, kiwis,papayas, mangoes, etc. But
watermelon, grapes,apples,pears, nectarines and other "plain" fruit is
good,too!

Muffins and fruit! Gee, I think I will take my lunch in to work this
week,too!

Best wishes!

rf


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:59:28 GMT

In article <Bsztuw.CJp@unx.sas.com>, sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com (Annette Tharpe) writes:
|> [...snip]
|>
|> I agree!  Here is how it is for me:
|> 
|>   [exercise]   +   [watch my diet]   =   [fat/weight loss]  +  [good health]
|> 
|>   [exercise]                         =   [maintain weight]  +  [good health]
|> 
|>                    [watch my diet]   =   [maintain weight]
|> 
|>                    [do neither]      =   [weight gain!!]
|>  [....snip] 
|> 
|> -- 
|>   /\        Annette R. Tharpe, QA Analyst
|>  /__\_____  SAS Institute Inc.
|> /    \ |    SAS Campus Dr., Cary, NC  27513
|>        |    sasart@unx.sas.com


This should be engraved in granite somewhere, because it's so profoundly
true!

Although, sometimes when I reach a set-point or a plateau, I either have
to be content for a while with [good health] withOUT [fat/weight loss], or, 
if the impasse goes on too long, I need to do something different with
[exercise] and/or [watch my diet] to get things rolling again (although
it's often at that plateau or set-point that I lose heart and revert to
some old-but-not-forgotten bad habits :-(.

The equations are valid; but the variables are, well, variable.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: howard@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Howard)
Subject: Diet
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:36:51 GMT

On nnotes rec.food.cooking there was a reference to a lowfat - low cholesterol diet
working without having difficulty in changing your lifestyle.  On that diet she lost
weight without really working at it.  I put a note on there to please post the diet
if possible that I would like to try it.  I have tried SOOOOOO Many DIETS in my 
lifetime that quite frankly - the word diet makes me cringe - nothing against anyone
on here working on their diets - I have just dieted over the years and I am heavier
now than when I started many, many years ago.  However, I do realize that for my 
health's sake and my sake that I need to lose weight.   

If anyone reading this has that diet, would you please post or e-mail to me
howard@cs.uiuc.edu...

thanks for the space,
bonnie
From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:27:59 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

> 
> If anyone reading this has that diet, would you please post or e-mail to me
> howard@cs.uiuc.edu...
> 
> thanks for the space,
> bonnie
> 

Bonnie, I have been on the same yoyo all my life and hope I have finally 
come to a termination. There is no magic diet, there is nothing to help 
except sheer will power. Cut down on your fats and caloric intake, and 
you'll lose weight. Make your scale your friend and after reaching your 
goal use it every day. 
I have found that the most effective way is to use a long period of time 
to lose weight as it does give you a chance to acclimate your body to a 
smaller intake. 
It's not you but rather the society we live in that bombards us with 
mouth watering recipies and advertisements that positively make me drool 
even though I am not hungry.
Anyone in our position knows what a healthy diet is, we have tried them 
often enough, so realize there is no magic cure except for your desire to 
look well and live longer  --- that must take precedence.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:32:39 GMT

brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
In alt.support.diet you write:
 
 >Running through exercise numbers, making some assumptions:

 >50 minutes walk equates to 3 miles per day.  (Medium-fast walker)
 >Assuming you weigh 150 pounds (the numbers scale), you collect
 >100 calories per mile.

 >So, for 5 lunchhours per week, you have spent 1500 calories per
 >week on exercise.  At 7000 calories per pound of fat, you
 >would lose a pound roughly every 5 weeks with this regime.

 I had a book that said 3500 calories are equal to one pound.  Is your` 
 information from a reliable source and have you seen any other sources
 say 7000?  I'm an engineer and have been trying to "quantify" calorie
 intake and expenditures for some time now (no luck yet).  

 Also, do you have info on calories burned during running?


Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
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From: jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay)
Subject: Eggs -- why not use fake ones?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:59:00 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


I keep reading articles where people are trying to find substitutes
for eggs. Why not just use that frozen egg substitute.  Either
"scramblers" or 'egg beaters" (one of the two, I can't remember which)
has zero fat and zero cholesterol. And I think they're 99% real egg or
something.  I never keep real eggs in my fridge anymore, just these
things in the freezer. I always use them for baking, omlettes, etc.

-- Jennie
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet soft drinks
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:35:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug13.232838.29345@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>And one specific question: Does Canfield's diet chocolate something-or-other
>taste very good?  I've always thought that a diet chocolate SODA was just so
>whacked out, I've been afraid to try. :-)

The dirt on the diet circuits a few years ago was that Canfield's
diet chocolate something-or-other was Gawd's gift to dieters.

I tried it.  It tastes EXACTLY as you'd expect, which is to say
pretty cruddy.  When you're dieting and searching for something
good to drink, you tend to forget that most people wouldn't
even drink such a concoction which HAD sugar in it.

Anyone tried "Diet Moxie" lately?  Last time I did was about
10 years ago, and I still get chills and shivers remembering
the taste.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Self image
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:35:04 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <77970@ut-emx.uucp> anita@ut-emx.uucp (Anita Cochran) writes:

>weighings).  However, being honest, I realize that (if I could draw) if I
>were to draw a picture of myself, it would be of someone only a little 
>overweight.  That is, my mental image and my true image are not the same.
>This actually really bothers me.  Especially as I am making no progress
>to get started losing weight.  I keep worrying that my mental image is
>letting me accept my weight more than I should.
>
Incongruent body image can certainly cause trouble.  Patients with
anorexia nervosa fail to see themselves as too thin and consider
themselves obese even as they become emaciated.  After losing almost
half my bulk, it took months before I even could pick my reflection
up in store windows when walking in a crowd.  I was looking for a 
fat person who wasn't there.  I still see myself as being more
obese than I am, although after 20 years of being reduced, I
can be more objective about it.  Those who were fat as children
seem to have trouble developing a thin body image, while those
who became fat as adults often fail to recognize their obesity
and still think of themselves as thin people.
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From: liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker)
Subject: UGGG!
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:12:45 GMT

I don't believe it!  I'm drowning in paperwork, my program refuses to
work right (with 2 weeks to go), I'm working most of the night so there
is no time to cook.  I've haven't eaten so badly for years...and today
they put doughnuts on my desk...the jelly filled kind.  Does anybody have
some ideas on how to survive this without gaining 10lbs?  We really don't
have any free time to do anything but work (the laundry is threatening
us :)  ) and I'm starting to feel the affects.  I haven't stepped on the
scale because, well, I'm afraid to see just how bad it is.  Oh this should
only last for 2.5 weeks as that is our deadline.

Liana

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: The Feeling of Losing Control
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:15:19 GMT

I think there are essentially two possibilities.  The first is that
these cravings are physiological and related to levels of insulin in
your blood.  If this is the case, the solution is to go on a low
carbohydrate diet (see Atkins or the Carbo Addicts Diet by Drs. Heller).

The other possibility is that the cravings are essentially psychological.
In _The_Road_Less_Traveled_, Peck suggests that those with "addictive"
behaviors, like overeating when not hungry, are those who were not
adequately taught discipline--which includes the ability to delay 
gratification (picture a two-year-old in a supermarket who wants candy 
and is screaming bloody murder until his/her mother gives in).

If this is the problem, rational emotive therapy seems like a good
solution.  For example, Rational Recovery (a free self-help service
based on RET that is essentially anti-12-step) posits that ultimately, 
we are responsible for everything that we put into our mouth.  We have to
learn to accept this responsibility.  We must learn to discipline the
screaming child in us who wants the ice cream at 8 in the morning. 
 
For more info you can contact Rational Recovery Systems, Lotus Press, 
Box 800, Lotus, CA, 95651, (916)-621-2667.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Re: Throwing away the bathroom scale?
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:55:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.200512.23276@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>Since I find I am somewhat addicted to weighing myself when I'm intent
>on losing weight, I've been curious about this "throwing away the bath-
>room scale" advice and how that's supposed to keep me from being neurotic
>about my weight.
>
>First I noted that several people wrote in to say that they needed the
>daily feedback on how they were doing, and that if the scale reported
>that the weight was up, then they would re-double their efforts to stay
>on track, etc, until the number on the scale goes back down.  That
>sounded really good, but then I began to wonder if it works like that
>for everyone.
>
>Jan
[lots of message cut]
 
I personally weigh myself every morning because I know that in order for me to 
lose weight, I have to eat a certain amount of calories.  If I don't eat enough
I don't lose weight, and if I eat just right I lose weight.  If I step on the
scale and see that I gained a pound or something, it doesn't affect me much
since I know that within the next few days it'll be gone plus some.
 
 
While I'm here, I haven't heard anybody mention anything about using meal
replacement programs, such as slim-fast and the like.  Personally, I drink
1 shake a day <for breakfast>, a salad for lunch, and a sensible dinner.
This works very well for me, because a> I don't have to worry about thinking
about what I ate and how much fat it had, and b> I used this method before
and lost 40 lbs.  Right now I'm using a shake substance called Metabol.  It
tastes a hell of a lot better then slimfast, and is more suited to bodybuilding(which is my major form of exercise>. 
 
If you're at a plateau or need some advice, ask me, I've been there, and I lost
weight.  I need to lose about 15-20 lbs. and I'll be at my desired weight.
 
  -Matthew
<still no .signature.>

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:14:46 GMT
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Running through exercise numbers, making some assumptions:

50 minutes walk equates to 3 miles per day.  (Medium-fast walker)
Assuming you weigh 150 pounds (the numbers scale), you collect
100 calories per mile.

So, for 5 lunchhours per week, you have spent 1500 calories per
week on exercise.  At 7000 calories per pound of fat, you
would lose a pound roughly every 5 weeks with this regime.

Alas, exercise *and* diet are both crucial.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Help/tips (was Re: Packing Lunches)
Originator: funky@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:31:46 GMT

 
[munch]
>
>And on a side note, many nutritionists recommend drinking a bunch of 
>water each day, whether you're thirsty or not.  Has this worked for
>anybody?
>
>Chip Switzer
>jswitzer@afit.af.mil
 
  First time posting...  When I was dieting to lose 40 lbs <I succeeded, 
but through vacationing and such, put back on about 10 lbs. which I'm 
working to take off plus another 10>, I drank a lot of water and it
seemed to help.  When I say alot I mean alot.  But I was also working
out for 1 1/2 to 2 hours a day, a biking also.  I drop 40 lbs in 3
months, at about 2-3 pounds a week.
 
 While I'm posing I need to ask a question.  When I was dieting to lose the 40
lbs., I used to give myself one day to eat anything I liked <Friday>.  I would go out for chinese food or for some pizza or something, just so that I didn't
get bored with my diet.  Anyways, I would often experience no weight loss 
all week, but on Saturday morning, after pigging out on Friday, I would lose
my 2 lbs or so.  
 
 Anybody know what could cause this? 
 
 Also, if anybody has plateaued at a certain weight, try eating a little more.
I remember when I had reached about 188 lbs <I started at 210 and wanted to
hit 170 lbs by graduation> I couldn't lose any more weight.  So I started 
eating about 200 calories more a day.  I then started to lose weight again.
 
  And, if you can't seem to stay on a diet, try taking one day off and eating
something that you really enjoy or miss.  And lastly, if you're curious, the
workout program I used was the one I read in Arnold Schwarzennegers <sp> book
'The Encyclopedia of Moderm Bodybuilding'.  It was a 6 day on, 1 day off 
program.  It was about 1 1/2-2 hours a day.  It was hard work, but I did
lose weight. 
 
  And, to make the message even longer, I'll tell you how I dieted.  I used
Joe Weider's Dynamic Bodyshaper shake mix twice a day, and ate a normal,
healthy dinner that was low-fat.  When I plateaued, I started eating breakfast
instead of a shake, and now, take off 20 more lbs. I'm not going to use shakes
at all.  I'm just going to eat healthy and excercise alot.  I love this group.
Keep up the good work.  
 
 
                          -Matthew William Kaphan
                            UNLV

no .signature yet :/
 
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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Packing Lunches
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 07:24:28 GMT

I've recently started working full-time, and packing lunches has always
seemed a boring and time-consuming job to me, but pack I must.

Any and all hints as to how to make brown-bagging it more pleasant,
while keeping it low-fat, greatly appreciated!


Annie
From: SEK@psuvm.psu.edu (Sonja Kueppers)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: *sniffle*
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:43:54 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

They were our of Raspberry Diet Rite at the store this morning.
I got Peach instead.  It's just not the same...

-Sonja
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