From: gregh@cc.gatech.edu (Greg J. Hankins)
Subject: Re: True hardcorre
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:54:29 GMT
Reply-To: gregh@cc.gatech.edu (Greg J. Hankins)
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In article <1djvqgINN4qo@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> cpluis@cats.ucsc.edu (Mulatto) writes:
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>I realize that you punks don't like death metal, but I think that if talking
>about hardcore, then your talking about death metal too.  Hardcore its the slang word for "non-wimpy stuff".
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>together we are strong
>	destruction
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Sure hardcore is slang for "non-whimpy stuff", if you are using the word
as an adjective.  But in this case we are talking about "Hardcore", as in a
noun.  This imply's HARDCORE MUSIC.  Now, there are some very fundamental
differences between hardcore music and death metal...in fact they have
near to nothing in common.  Hardcore is not easily defined however, but from
my personal observations I've noted a few things I think hardcore is:
Hardcore is loud, and fast, and often has deliberately offensive lyrics -
whereas death metal just seems to talk about death and satan.  Death metal
is also loud and fast, but it is a different type of loud and fast.
From what I've seen, metal has more of a dirge and more complicated riffs,
hardcore is mostly simple chords played fast.  Metal has really pounding drums,
and often use two base drums, so you get that really fast base drum.  I
can't think of one hardcore band that uses 2 base drums.  This is really
hard to describe, but I think if you listen to some real hardcore such as
what people have suggested, like GBH, Minor Threat, Judge, Circle Jerks,
Helmet, Misfits, etc. - and then listen to your typical death stuff
the difference should be obvious.  And there is also a difference in 
vocals.  Hardcore bands yell and shout their lyrics.  Metal bands
seem to growl the lyrics in low voices, or make high pitches scrieking
sounds.  Good example of this is the band doom.  And of course hardcore
bands make good use of distortion and feedback.

People also behave *very* differently at hardcore shows and metal shows.
From what I have seen, all that metal head type people do is thrash their
hair around and wave their arms making satan/horn signs with their hands.
Ever seen *that* at a hardcore show???  I also think that there is more 
slaming, stage diving, and people rolling about on top of the crowd at
hardcore shows.  Hardcore is aggressive, death metal is just fast music,
I don't really see the same type of aggression and anger.  

And lastly, dress style.  Hardcore fans seem to wear boots, or docs,
tshirts and old jeans.  You avg metal head will probably wear hightops,
stone washed jeans, and maybe a tie die, and probably doesn't have
any part of his head shaved.

Anyway, just a few observations of mine.  Yea, I know that hardcore is 
hard to define, so if anyone can add anything to clarify what I've said,
please do.  I'm also just talking about general things I've seen.  Of course
there are always exceptions...

Note that I'm not saying that metal is bad - it's just now what most of
us want to talk about here.  If you are looking for something like that,
try alt.thrash or alt.music.metal (or whatever they are calling it now).

Now, what I really hated was Motley Crue doing "Anarchy in the UK", that
was just sick.

Oi.

Greg

And lastly, if anyone gets a chance to go see Sugar, do.  I saw them
a week or so ago and it was a great show.  Lots of distortion, and good
loud music.  Good pit too. 
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