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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ADC CHALLENGES WALL ST JOURNAL
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:06:10 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Apr14.181316.13585@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>
>    Hmm...  The article in question made no reference to the Oakar's
>    ethnic heritage, did it?
>

So what?  That wasn't the point.

>    The article did mention that OAKAR BOUNCED 213 CHECKS, and made 
>    it to the list of the twenty two worst "Rubbergate" offenders.
>    She was also the chairman of a subcommittee that oversaw the
>    House Bank's personnel policies.  

Let's see...Larry Smith, Stephen Solarz are both also on the list
(Smith may have *just* missed the 22, but Solarz bounced hundreds...way, 
WAY MORE that Oakar).  They are the staunchest supporters of Israel in 
the House.  Just what is your point?

Oh, and please refrain from calling me a 'check-bouncer-apologist'
a la your Sheikh Zayed escapades :-)

>
>
>
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From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:43:24 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Apr15.141837.11548@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

> I would like to thank Hossein for answering some of the questions often
> repeated on the net, ignored at least by Anisa,
> that is:

> 1) Could a Muslim convert to Judaism in Islamic Palestine?

> 2) Could the child of a Muslim and a Jew be brought up Jewish
> in Islamic Palestine?

> 3) Can a synagogue be built taller than a mosque in Islamic Palestine?

> ....

The answers depend on what you mean by "Islamic Palestine".  If you mean a
Palestine with an "Islamic" regime, then, again it depends on what sort of
Islam will be in power.  However, judging by the prevalent thinking among the
Islamic authorities and Islamic movements in the Islamic world, the answer to
your questions will most likely be "no" or "shouldn't".

But you should ask yourself this: Should such an eventuality takes place in
Palestine, who would be ultimately responsible?  Certainly not the PLO who has
called for over twenty years for a secular and democratic Palestaine in which
all dominations (Jews, Moslems Christians etc) could live together with equal
rights - a call to be brutually suppressed by the Israeli government.  The rise
of fundamentalism in Palestine (as well as in Iran and elsewhere) should be
blamed first and foremost on the governments in power who have used all means
of oppression against demands for a more just and democratic society with equal
rights and political freedom for all people regardless of their faith or race.

> We also know the chances of restoring Judaism to the descendants
> of the Jews of Meshed who were forced converted to Islam
> in the 19th century.

The history is full of forced conversion all over the world.  Do not think for
a moment that the "great religions" of the world have been spread only by word
of mouth.  And do not think that you can "restore" an "ism" on descendants of
people who have been forced to convert.  I can assure you that in a world free
of coersion (physical, social, political, educational, moral, etc), we will see
less conversion from one (religious) "ism" to another "ism" and back, but a
fading of such "isms" all together in favour of a common understanding that all
the human-kind is but from a single family and they should be treated equally
as human beings in every respect-- regardless of their race, belief, sex,
nationality, personal morality etc.

-hossein
From: peewee@playhouse.EBay.Sun.COM (Philip H. Stromer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: How to post an article from the news media.
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:14:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: playhouse.ebay.sun.com


	Brad Hernia writes:
	I was under the impression that the city of Jerusalem was to be
	an international city under the U.N. partition plan. As soon as
	they had the opportunity, Israel seized as much of the city as
	they could get.  Have we forgotten that Israel seized a very
	large chunk of what was to be the "Arab" portion of the U.N.
	partition?

Brad, you stupid, stupid, assholy SOB.  You're completely ignoring
the fact that the Arabs ATTACKED Israel three separate times, not
even waiting for the State of Israel to live for ONE DAY in peace.
They attacked her, six-on-one, the same day that she declared her
independence.

Jordan never seized Judea in 1948, nooooo.
Egypt never seized Gaza in 1948, nooooo.

The 1948 partition plan was unworkable.  The Arabs proved it.  Now
they (and you) want to go back the 1948 borders.  Israel should
give back NOTHING, never, unless she loses in war.  Israel welcomes
the challenge from you and your relatives.  We'll squash you like
grapes, then expand Israel all the way to the Euphrates.  Sound
good?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Mojahedin Attacks
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:29:07 GMT

hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>no way to secure support from inside Iran and revenge is not a
>sufficient reason to wage a war, in my opinion. 
	                     ^^^
Wow! It is interesting that the Mr. Hernlem calls the attack
by some angry Iranians on the Khomeini regime's terrorist-spy
nest "waging a war." (BTW, the clashes began only because the
terrorist-diplomats initiated them; those who attacked only
meant to destroy property and express their anger. A good
example is what happened in NYC.)

If Brad calls these "waging a war," I wonder how he would
describe daily scenes in Iran where pasdars and other thugs
harras women using their decade-long tools of trade such as
acid, chains, clubs, etc. Also, Brad, how would you describe
the mass executions of 1981 and 1988. Geneocide? (That's how
Montazeri described it in 1988.)

Also, Mr. Hernlem, weren't these spy-terrorist nests the
very the same places where the regime planned its terrorist
activities abroad and where it hid its terrorist-diplomats
like Vahid Gorji? Did you ever condmen regime's terrorist
acts? Or are you just hurt because some terrorist-diplomats
whose hands are covered with the blood of great champion of
human rights (Dr. Kazem Rajavi) were hurt in the process of
embassy take over?

> 
>> >How can they excuse this
>> >kind of behaviour?
>> 

What kind of behaviour? Destroying regime's property?

How would you excuse regime's terrorist acts aborad?
How would you excuse regime's massacre of political prisoners?
How would you excuse regime's regime violations of basic
    human rights in Iran?
How would you excuse regime's harassment of Iranian women?
How would you excuse rape-before-execution of teenage girls?
How would you regime's 72 techniques of torture?
How would you excuse regime's unprovoked attack on an NLA base?
How would ...

You see Mr. Hernlem, those angry Iranians who stormed regime's
spy-terrorists nests are very likely victims of regime's
repression and see the NLA as their only hope (and they may in
fact have some relatives in the NLA). Thus when the regime 
attacks an NLA base, they show their anger by storming the
regime's missions to call the world's attention to regime's
barbaric acts.

BYW Brad, have you ever asked yourself why most of these
Iranians have already been freed? The judge in New York
City even expressed sympathy for them!

One more question for Brad: Did you shed tears for Shah,
his wife and other SAVAKI agents who were attacked by
angry Iraninas in 1978?
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Undercover Agents
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:57:02 GMT
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Apr6.172135.24308@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>PALESTINIANS ACCUSE ISRAELI ARMY UNDERCOVER AGENTS FOR "COLD-BLOODED" KILLINGS
>
>OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, Sun. (AFP)
>
>A growing number of Palestinians are accusing Israeli Army undercover
>units of killing Arab suspects in cold blood, a charge denied by the
>Israeli military which sees the force as an efficient deterrent to
>anti-Israeli activity.
>
>"You cannot kill somebody only becuase he is wanted. There is a law to
>be respected," charged Faisal Husseini, an advisor to the Palestinian
>team at Arab-Israeli peace talks.

>[Saudi Gazette, March 30, 1992]


This is a standard approach to problem-solving in the Arab world:
blame it on someone else.  As Palestinean Arabs kill each other 
in greater and greater numbers, Husseini can make himself look like
a man of peace, even a victim, by blaming the killing on Israelis,
especially under-cover, top-secret, can't-ever-prove-it Israelis.

Blaming Israelis for Arab treachery has been playing for a long time
in Sabra/Shatilla reruns and inter-PLO assasinations.  Iran and Iraq
both railed at Israel for a decade while railing at each other, too.

It's somewhat like the accusation that Black babies in the USA 
were being injected with AIDS by Jewish doctors: simply a way to 
shift blame from true factors onto scapegoats.  In the end, this 
approach hurts the accusers badly by ignoring the problems, even
as they get worse.
-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: U.S. Aid To Israel?????
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  8 Apr 92 15:59:30 GMT

In <204565@unix.cis.pitt.edu> abas@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jasem Alhumoud) writes:


>   I am sorry for reposting this article. I did not know that someone
>else have posted this article with creidt given to me ( I posted this
>article in soc.culture.lebanon). Any way nothing wrong with reading facts
>twice. On the other hand THE TRUTH HURTS. Have fun with the article.

Maybe if it were the truth it would hurt. I put as much credence in that 
article as I put in stories about UFOs and the Loch Ness Monster.
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ARAFAT ALIVE-PLO BLAMES MOSSAD?!?
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:46:09 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Apr9.191635.5668@oakhill.sps.mot.com> diaz@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Rafael Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.170102.207072@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>
>>Reporters are often idiots. I'd like to know what your opinions on the 
>>U.S.'s best interests are.
>
>	This is funny, I thought you people thinks reporters are always correct. It
>	seems to me that you are using the reporters information only when it suits 
>	your cause.

This is funny, "we people" 'thinks' nothing of the kind.  "we people" 'thinks' that
reporters are good at reporting facts, but poor at analysis.

>>
>
>>>Gedaliah Friedenberg
>>Anwar Mohammed
>
>Rafy
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Death Squads in Occupied Territories
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:24:32 GMT

More crap from Brad, who has become the major supplier of trash from
the Saudi Gazzet and other unreliable sources.

The people who are murdered are people who cooperate with Israel,
and Israel has no reason to want them dead. Palestinian extremists
do, and they kill them brutaly.

I don't know the current number, but in March the NY Times gave the number
of Palestinians killed by Palestinians as 54. It is three time more
than the number of people killed by the IDF in riots (I don't know
the number of Israelis, including the brave Muslem guy killed by
the Jaffa slasher, who were killed by terrorists. I can think
of 6 right now, there are probably more, maybe someone
has the exact number?).

Brad, the great humanist, who once wrote here that "it is a great
shame that someone doesn't give Israel a dose of its own medicine
and bombs the Dimona reactor and other 'semi-identifyable' nuclear
targets in Israel" will probably continue his onslaught on TPM
and other newsgroups using his fauvotite techniques:

1) Repost the same article a few times, or different articles all
   speaking of the same incident.

2) Quote unrelaible sources, which have proven to be wrong in the past.

3) Say "who??? me????" when accused of using techniques 1) and 2)
   above.

-Danny Keren.



Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: "Democracy" & "Israel" are Axonyms.
Keywords: Democracy, Israel, vicious, bloody, killers.
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:13:23 GMT

In article <Apr.9.22.22.29.1992.3790@paul.rutgers.edu# 
marwan@paul.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:

[....]

#But as I got there, I was woundering, what kind of hate do the Israelis have
#and how can a human being be so crewl? ... Pro-Israelis ... Please elaborate.
#I realy want to know how much would an average Israeli hate Arabs.

Let me answer this with a little story. When I was a teenager I lived
in a small place 5 kilometers out of Beer-Sheba, on the road to
Hebron (that place is inside the "green line", e.g. not in the 
territories). One evening I was hitchiking home (people would do
that then, now its too dangerous). It was already dark. A car pulled
by and I went in; there were four Arab guys - I guess in their 
mid-twenties - inside. After a few minutes, we got to the road that
enters the place I lived in, and I asked the driver to stop. He pulled
to the side and I leaned to open the door.

Suddenly, the guy beside me gave me a strong blow in the chest, and
flung me back on the seat. Then he caught the door handle, and
quickly shouted something to the driver (I don't speak Arabic,
just a few words). I sat there trying to get myself togethere, but
was so scared and dazed I could hardly breath. I was 14 years old
and there was nothing I could do against four young men.

A short debate followed, in which the driver was obviously trying
to convince the guy next to me to let me go. As you can see he
succeded, and that guy opened the door and pushed me out. So my
life was spared.

That incident demonstrated to me in a very powerful way both the
hate prevailing in that area of the world called the middel east,
and the polarity involved; for years after that, I categorized
Arabs as "good - like the driver" and "bad - like the guy who
was sitting next to me". There are bad ones and good ones on
both sides of the fense, I guess. However, there is a major
asymmetry here: in the current situation, unfortunately, it is
the "bad ones" - on both sides - that have the power and are
running the show. The current situation brings out the worst
in both sides: the Israelis and the Palestinians. The only remedy
is to change the current situation.

Does this answer your question?

-Danny Keren.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: How to post an article from the news media.
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:02:58 GMT

In <1992Apr10.140151.16047@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad
Hernlem) writes:

>I was under the impression that the city of Jerusalem was to be an
>international city under the U.N. partition plan. As soon as they had
>the opportunity, Israel seized as much of the city as they could get.

Of course.  But so did the Arabs.  I didn't see them making their chunk
of Jerusalem into an "international" city - did you?

>Have we forgotten that Israel seized a very large chunk of what was to
>be the "Arab" portion of the U.N. partition?

The partition plan was rejected by the Arabs, and was never put in
force.  Hence, it's just an interesting historical footnote to the
whole conflict.  As far as I know, every nation which recognizes
Israel, recognizes all Israeli territory as defined by the 1948
borders as part of Israel.  The only exception of which I'm aware is
the U.S. stance on western Jerusalem for passport purposes.  However,
there is an American consulate in the western part of Jerusalem, and
that presumably signals acceptance of that part of Jerusalem as part
of Israel.

The discussion is academic anyway, since all of Jerusalem is de facto
part of Israel, and no Israeli politicial will ever suggest giving it
up.  Neither will the overwhelming majority of Israelis or Jews.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Islamic "world" News myopia
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:59:00 GMT

Recently, the Islamic "world" news condemned Israel for the deaths of
four Palestinians following an attack on Israeli forces.  However,
the Islamic "world" news, as well as the U.N. and "peace" (sic) net
have been strangely silent about the fate of hundreds of thousands
of Muslims in Burma (Myanmar.)  There are stories of mass rape and murder,
and hundreds of thousands have fled to Bangladesh.

But I suppose that since it's hard to drag the EvilZionistOccupiers (tm)
into this one, it just doesn't have the zing of an anti-Israel diatribe,
and thus must be relegated to the background.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: Sovok's black/white list
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:19:28 GMT
Keywords: Internet Russia Ukraine Byelorus

In article <BMLKpI.Fw0@world.std.com> Costanza@world.std.com (Peter Costanza) writes:
>I haven't seen any actual postings here from sites in Russia, Ukraine, or Byelorus.  Are there any actual usenet sites in those countries yet?

You may wish to examine the following uucp map files on your system:

-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news      1707 Apr 08 18:05 /archive/pub/maps/u.sun.0
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     26503 Apr 08 18:02 /archive/pub/maps/u.sun.1
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news       379 Apr 08 17:54 /archive/pub/maps/u.sun.100
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     27758 Apr 08 17:55 /archive/pub/maps/u.sun.2
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     28093 Apr 08 17:55 /archive/pub/maps/u.sun.3
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     13172 Apr 08 17:50 /archive/pub/maps/u.sun.4
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     10475 Apr 08 17:51 /archive/pub/maps/u.ukr.1
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news       801 Apr 08 16:17 /archive/pub/maps/u.bys.1

Location on your system may vary from the above.
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From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Sovok
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:00:37 GMT

>The term SOVOK is  really an example of the new  slang which became popular
>about two years ago. Before this  date SOVOK had only local meaning - e.g.,
>in Moscow the region of Savelovsky railway station used to be named in such
>a way.
>
>Originally SOVOK meaned  USSR itself. As far as  I understand, the original
>association   is  not by   sense   (``trash''),  but  mainly  by  the sound
>(``sovetskij'').  The  way this  acronym was  borned  indicates that it was
>invented by  the  criminals - it's  very similar  to the  other ``blatnoi''
>slang examples -  quite primitive  and disgusting.  Unfortunately, a lot of
>people use it now refering to the XSSR - perhaps this reflects the lowering
>level of  culture, especially  the culture  of speech.

    No, "sovok" is there to describe a new social phenomenon.  It's no more
    a slang that any new word in any language.

    Another example: folks who come from the xUSSR to visit their relatives
    and friends in the US are called "pilesosi" ("vacuum cleaners") because
    of what they (often) do to their hosts's garderobes and bank accounts.




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From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("A. Allister Shvartsman, EMF, LKG2-2/T2,
              226-5350 12-Apr-1992 1728")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Pravda and istina
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:31:04 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

RE: Gregory Landsberg <GLL@FNAL.FNAL.GOV>

>Do you think that Russian Fortran uses ``IDI NA''  instead of ``GO TO'' -:) ?

That's a funny question. But can someone explain why do some (all?)
Soviet/Russian authors use "lozh'" for logical "false" and "istina"
for logical "true"? Had the term "pravda" lost its meaning due to
the infamous homonymous newspaper? :-)

I hear Pravda is being published again. Interestingly, they dropped
Lenin's image next to the paper's name in favour of the old Soviet medals.
They should have renamed the paper from Pravda to Istina instead.
Now this would have wreaked havoc among the Russian logicians! ;-)

Regards,
Alex