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From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Chinese Student Association
Keywords: CSA
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:50:43 GMT
Reply-To: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division

My sister is going to study in the New Mexico State University.
Please someone tell me the contact. address and telephone of the
Chinese Student Organization in that school.

Best Regards, TY

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From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:00:22 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

I write:
>------- 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------
> blah, blah
>------- 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------
> more blah, blah

There seems to have a general consensus on what kind of person Ar1 Q, I
meant Scott Horne, is, therefore I rest my case.

Mr. Horne, (btw, mind if I call you Ar1? or you preferr Q?) 
get some life.

-Chunshi Chang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:17:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.191044.269@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.100425.2943@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.202045.22500@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>>> 
>>> 	Greeting for the big day! And thanks, HSNU (the senior high
>>> 	school of National Taiwan Normal University), for giving me
>>> 	the best high school life I could get in Taiwan.....
>>> 
>>> 	Paul T.Y. Shih (H472)
>>
>>
>>	** Hay, I think Jian Guo Zhon Hsieh is better than HSNU.
>>	   People from Jian Zhon should have a better high school
>>	   life. Shouldn't it? 
>	
>	Nope, Jian4-Zhon1 might have more hard-studying students,
>	more acadamical reputation, but HSNU is good at uniformly
>	devoloping students' personality, skills, maturity. I am
>	proud of being part of it.
>
>	Paul (H472)

	I have something to say about "personality, skills, maturity". All
of them are not easy to evaluate. However, there are some criteria that might
be helpful for us to get a rough idea about the personalities, skills, and
maturities of the students from a specific school. For instance: How are
they involved in extracurricular activities? How do they achieve in 
inter-school contests? How many of them enter the Hall-of-Fame in their
own careers?

	To the best of my knowledge, Jian4-Zhon1 is the high school in 
Taiwan that has most extracurricular associations (in my high school
days, there were around one hundred). Every year Jian4-Zhon1's students
hold a music concert in Dr. Sun Yeh-Sen Memorial Auditorium and present
a state-of-the-art performance which is considered far beyond what you
can expect from high school kids. Just to name a few. Dig deeper into
these aspects and you will have a better idea and be able to come up
with a more convincing argument.

Chia-Liang Lin
Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ChineseTalk on PostScript Level II Printer?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:45:01 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr16.222825.18098@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:
> 
>                     "All the world's phenomena and ideas
>                      Are unreal, like a dream,
>                      Like magic, and like a reflected image.

	** Then what is real?

>                      All the world's phenomena and ideas
>                      Are impermanent, like a water bubble,
>                      Like dew and lightning.

	** Then what is permanent?

>                      Thus should one observe and understand
>                      All the world's phenonmena and ideas."

	** I don't think this is possible. Nobody can fully understand
	   *all* the ideas developed by human beings.
From: lhu@isis.cs.du.edu (Liming Hu)
Subject: Is SCT still existing?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 00:37:51 GMT

Hello! Where is everybody?
Is SCT cancelled or everybody feels sad about Mark Hsieh's retirement?
I can hear nothing but crickets singing here...

Hu
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: just testing
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:23 GMT
Organization: UB

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu wrote:  

>iN article <1992Apr12.202156@IASTATE.EDU>, aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif) writes:
>> I wanna know how far the Taipei airport is from the Nationl Taiwan Normal
>> University.
>
>
>	** Take bus from the airport to downtown taipei.
>	   Then take city bus Rt.#3 or Rt.#15
>	   It takes about 1.5 hr.
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^

   1.5 Hours ?    
   I do not think so.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: kniaz@cat5.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Subject: Re: Taiwan, Republic of China (Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C")
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.164432.3493@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
.
.
	etc,. etc,. ad nauseum...
.
.
>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
>
>					--Scott

	Talk about immature.   That's the last time I heed any suggestions
	from Scott that my posts (or reposts for that matter) are wasteful
	of bandwidth.  Thanks for the carte blanche, Scott...

     ______________________________________________________________________
    / "Lo, Though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death,       /
    \    I fear not!                                        ______________\
    /  For I am the biggest son-of-a-bitch in the valley." / My favorite  /
    \______________________________________________________\ expression...\
    / Joel Kniaz   kniaz@garfield.cs.wisc.edu  kniaz@jomby /      __i     /
    \______________________________________________________\_yiLballe(Mu)_\
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif)
Subject: Re: An example (was: Re: ++++The Six-Year.....)
Reply-To: aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:32:28 GMT
From: chu@church.cs.unc.edu (Heng Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: False accusation
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:02:42 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Apr4.11532.11532@cel.SRI.COM> hsieh@cel.SRI.COM (Mark Hsieh) writes:
>tell me why 
>there are so many so-called OVERSEAS  representatives 

*** Yeah, I wonder why. There used to be only KMT ones, now there are both
    KMT and DPP overseas representatives in National Assembly.

>How come that I never know who is the OVERSEAS representative of 
>the area I reside?

*** Maybe there is one from DPP. I could be wrong though. Isn't there 
    some female DPP overseas representatitive from Stanford Hoover Center 
    (or whatever)? Sorry if this is incorrect due to my always-failing memory.
    But if it's true, I think she will represents nothing but DPP.


Heng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.132245.2970@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.165235.13552@SSD.intel.com>, wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
>> 
>> Definition of 'good' high school in Taiwan in general public's perception is
>> how many students they can CRAM into college.  But as a surviving student if
>> you cherish your high school life and think your school is good, then it's
>> good.  However, to say 'my school is better than yours' is pointless.
>
>	** Well, more than ten years later, you say it is pointless.
>	
Actually, that was my belief all along.  If I was proud of my school, why
wouldn't the other people be on theirs?  Every school, I'm sure Chiang
Shu included, tries to create some identity of its own under the same
system and goal.

One can certainly rate all the high schools in Taiwan according to their
college-entry/student ratio.  And, under that notion, one can say No.1 is
better than No.2.  However, one also can say that that number does not reflect
the well-being of the students.   

Only the students know if they are 'well'.  Based on this gauge, though I
don't have the proof, I would make a hypothesis that the 'well-being', or my
definition of 'goodness', is actually evenly distributed among schools.
	
>	   Would you say that when you were freshman in University?
>	   If not, there must be some differences, doesn't it? 
>
>	   Imagine you were from Chiang2 Su4 High School and you survived.
>	   What would say about Chinag2 Su4 and yourself? 
>
>	   Assume there is no College Entrance Test, do you think all
>	   high schools would become the same or similar (like those

I doubt things would change much.  Without College Entrance exam, other form
of tests like SAT will be developed.  It's like changing water without changing
medicine.  It has something to do with population.  But, I'm hopeful that the
tension may be milder.

>	   in US)? At Ohio, may concerned parents (Chinese) are still
>	   eagerly try to find out: which high school is better? I bet
>	   people in your area are doing the same.

Absolutely!  School system here is very different.  Every state has its own
law on allocating and distributing its school funds.  Curriculum also differ
from district to district.  More over, it's also debatable whether private
school is better than public school.  And so on.  Yes, parents do need to be
aware about their school district.  I am, even though my child is not yet two.

Even so, you seldom hear people relish high school 'rating' over here once
they entered college.  People do talk about good old days though :).

Wen-lin
-- 
Wen-lin                      
wang@ssd.intel.com           | My openion is mine --
                             | (with lots of influences from everywhere:).
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Yeun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Date: 15 Apr 1992 18:34:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr15.215629.9888@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.
edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
-  Well, call me naive, but I always thought that the whole purpose of s.c.t.
-  is to increase the understanding of viewpoints, not spreading a religion.
-  No wonder someone (I think it's Hsu Hsin-liang) said that TI is a religion.
-  Wouldn't "democracy for Taiwan" be a better religion?

When did ideology become religion ?   I don't think any one will call
TI a religian.  I do recall that some politician call it a "belief".
I personally feel that "belief" is much closer to ideology than
"religian".   After all, it is not something we have to worship.

In article <1992Apr15.215629.9888@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.
edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
- What I see in the recent brouhaha in the NA is power struggle, not 
- ideological struggle.  What really should be argued in the NA, is whether 
- the political system in Taiwan should be presidential or parliamentary.  

Yes, it is indeed a power struggle.  But, what is really behind all these 
power struggle ?  Couldn't it be ideology ?

Many KMT national assembly-persons, especially those Wai-Shen Ren, have
openly expressed their major concern about the direct election of the
president.  They said the direct election will create an image of a
"Taiwanese President" who will become a strong implication of Taiwan
being an independent country.   Those native Taiwanese KMT assembly-persons,
especially those from southern areas, don't carry the same kind of ideology
regarding to this issue.    Most of them incline to support the direct
election.   I speculate that most of them do support independence
as long as their personal benefit can be preserved or even enhanced.

As for DPP assembly-persons, they know very well about the implication
of the way the president is elected.   Their support of direct election
is consistent with their ideology.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:7177 soc.culture.china:12402
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: advice to Mr. Joe Wang
Date: 26 Mar 92 10:46:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <qmgt9INNgpr@agate.berkeley.edu> tyhuang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>Joe, I know you for almost a year; how can you say this on the net?
>Hua-ren is not a national identity?  Tell me it is just a word game.

The problem is that I haven't ever heard of anyone talking about
"hua-ren" consciousness.
From: yu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (meng-lin.mark.yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr15.190940.24630@news.larc.nasa.gov> chang@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov (Chau-Lyan Chang) writes:
>        To the best of my knowledge, this is not true (at least around

Well, I believe they had bao tsong students or mechanism in the fifties
and sixties.  They have it now too (well at least 2 years ago); don't know when
it restarted. Considering that they want to abandon the extrance exam and
allow students to jump grades, I won't be surprised to know if they restarted
this quite a few years back, thou I never understand the argument for it.

>        1973-1976). Jian-Zhon got students only from entrance exam (of
>        course, there were some Chiau2-Shen1).

Here is my contemporaries.  You sure we didn't meet each other before?

Meng-Lin 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:13:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.133736.6015%ywang@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> ywang@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Brian the Midnight Rider) writes:
>
>     If you or you know someone was graduated from HSNU, please
>contact the alumni's association, especially if you have lost touch
>with us.
>Brian Y. Wang ( HSNU H688 )

Gee, 688?  I was in 663 for 2 months before I left Taiwan.  I guess
I am not an alumnus, but the days of HSNU was certainly great!

Tze-yau Huang

What does that H in front of 688 stands for?
From: pcli@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (Ping-Chung Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Jian4 Guo2 Sr. High (was Re: Those good old days...)
Date: 17 Apr 1992 03:38:29 GMT
Organization: Coordinated Science Lab., University of Illinois
NNTP-Posting-Host: uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu

In article <92107.192315U49110@uicvm.uic.edu> <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>      As far as I can still remember, Hong2-Lou2 was re-enforced by replacing
>      most of its wooden material into steel-cement structure.
>      No classroom is assigned and only the principal's office
>      and alum. room were in Hong2-Lou2.  I'm talking about '77-79.
>
>      R. Lin
	
	And at least two student-clubs' offices. On for the student
association, the other for the boy scout. Being part of the student association,
some fellow and I spent quite some time in Hong2-Lou2. It meant much more to me
than the classroom.

Ping
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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.224946.982
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr8.194527.15536@acsu.buffalo.edu>, chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
<>That's all you got out of the story?!  So much for Taiwan's "education"
<>system....
<
<It takes a very simple-minded (read stupid :-) person to judge the entire
<"education" system by a single person's interpretation of one story.

Oh, no, it isn't just that.  I have other reasons for making that statement.

<Besides, when did you read the story?

Years ago.

<What did you "get" out of the story? 
<Horne? 

Ten times more than you did, apparently.  You seem to have missed the point
completely.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Gin Jong fans' chellenge!! (was Re: The Six-Year National ...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:20:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr10.140149.338@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.125027.13109@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>
>>	Just a few weeks ago, I made a comment about Gin Jong's novel;
>>	particularly, I find it annoying to read many roles put into
>>	his novel that are greatly 'irrelevant'.
>
>When I saw that article, I though Yung-Kao was talking about characters 
>like "Taur Guu Lieu Shian" who talked a lot or "Yu Chyau Geng Dwu" who 

	Well, that is pretty much what I meant except that I also consider
	many sequences caused by those "roles" to be irrelevant.

>Now he says:
>
>>	                                         After seeing S. Horne's
>>	performances, I have changed my mind a bit: there is indeed people
>>	like Gin Jong had described in his novel :-( They may be annoying
>>	and irrelevent but they exist!!!
>
>I am embarassed.  If Sccott is what Yung-Kao meant by irrelevent, we 

	I don't see anything wrong here. Many of Scott's comments are
	made just for the sake of arguing which are mostly irrelevant.
	If you look at his comments w.r.t. Taiwan's 6 years development
	plan, there is nothing essential to it.

	Probably, I should make it clear that I was not thinking Scott
	to be irrelevant as a person but irrelevant as the way he carried
	his comments in this particular sequence.

	It is OK to read once a while of such arguments; however, I have
	little interest if such arguments continue and overtake the actual
	subject or story line. In real life, I have not seen people actually
	conduct conversation in this manner to such degrees. That is why
	I think Gin Jong's novel needs to get rid of those stuffs to be
	great. Now, I think maybe it is not as fictional as I think it was. 
	Still, I think it is a bit too much.


Yung-Kao Hsu
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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan, Republic of China
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:59:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Apr10.202842.3466@nic.umass.edu> (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>
>yet another instance of the horne-insanity........ :)
>
>In article <1992Apr10.164432.3493@cs.yale.edu> (Scott Horne) writes:
>><
>>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

A republic nation is a nation governed by the people.
So, people's republic is a republic.
The People's Republic of China is Republic of China.
The government of Taiwan Province is under Republic of China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Most Ridiculous ? (Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C")
Summary: No
Keywords: No 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.201340.20885@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.151347.23221@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.034117.27980@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>>>(BTW, I think that there is a good case to be made
>>>that the present prosperity of Taiwan occurred not
>>>because of the KMT, but that at least initially, 
>>>the KMT was an obstacle to development...
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and the promoters at the same time .

>>>
>>
>>Hi , Luc , I am not fully agree with you at this point . Taiwan's
>>developement is FACTUAllY due partly to the intellectuals and the gold
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>taken by KMT around 1949 . Otherwise the developement would have been 
>>much slower . Think of Philipine , you may know what I am saying .
>>
>>>
>>>Luc
>
>	This is the most rediculous joke so far this year. Thanks for 
>	entertaining us....
>
>	Paul

   Only presenting some words like above is not necessarily persuasive .
   The "joke" can be understood after you answer me the following questions :

  1. How many professors and engineerers had moved to Taiwan at the time ? How many
universities were built after that ? How many excellent intellectuals left for
Taiwan ?
  2. Do you think Taiwan had better basis to develope so fast ? ( In resourses and 
geography , as well as background )
  3. How much of the gold reserve was transfered to Taiwan through warships ? 
( I have werstern resources in hand , but I hope you can look for it by yourself 
for more materials .)

PS : Give me explainations , not conclusions only .  Not all the conclusios come
that easily .

PS+ : You can mention the economic policy of Taiwan in late 1960s and 1970s . But
if had not been for the accumulation of the precious " resources" , is it possible
that Taiwan develop so fast ?

PS++ : Please consider opposite opinions seriously , otherwise we can all be "media
men".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: What is article 100?  VERY POLITICAL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:36:16 GMT

Hello everyone,

Can anyone tell me the content of Article 100 in the ROC Constitution?  (or is
it in the constitution or some where else??)  I heard about it on the CTS news..
...don't really know what it is.  Is it something about political prisoners?

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