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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: [WCW] power hour Zenk vs Pillman
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21: 54:28 -0500
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:54:28 GMT
Received-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 22: 20:29 CDT


Even though neither wrestler did any of their nifty high-
flying moves, I really enjoyed the match between Z-Man and
Brian Pillman on the 10/10/92 Power Hour.  I'm also extremely
happy that the didn't make Tom do another job, though it
wouldn't have been all that bad if Pillman had won 
by cheating.  Tom has been doing too many clean jobs as
of late and it's hurting his credibility.

Of course it was obvious that it was going to be a time-limit
draw when they started announcing the time left at five minutes.

		--Otto "Z-Hack-Man" Heuer

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: New WWF Champion
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:03:22 GMT

In <16881A5B3.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU> MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice) writes:


>Come on, give the old man some credit.  Short reigns of heels as world
>champ predate Vince Jr.  How long was Stan Stasiak champ?  10 days or
>so?

I'm not sure if your crack about the "old man" was deliberate or not,
but it is fitting, before Vince Jr. was Vince Sr.

Vince is Vince...same philosophy regarding champs. Heels need not
apply.

BTW...this further proves my earlier point: Vince's philosophy for
1992 is "Making it up as I go along...." 

Two world title changes in two days. Pointless champions. No
long-running feuds. Short title reigns. No angles.

And people say WCW is in trouble....

Michael
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: R.I.P. The Survivor Series
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:30:51 GMT

In article <1s3NsB3w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
>I have the feeling that Vince is looking to phase out the Survivor
>Series format of four-on-four, total elimination matches.

I think he's just going to make it more of a mixed card, with maybe
two Survivor matches and then some traditional feud matches.  This
isn't something that started this year; it started last year with
Hogan vs. The Undertaker.

>This may have to do with the fact that the Series was almost a total
>botch-up last year, with the main event essentially turning into a
>three-man tag match and the first-card match decided by disqualification.

I hardly think these events caused Vince to be disappointed and consider
dropping the Survivor Series!  After all, all of these things were
*angles* and therefore within Vince's control.  Savage was capaple of
wrestling, but as an angle they didn't let him, and they pulled out
Jake to balance the teams.  The big DQ in the Flair match was an
angle also.

>I'm pretty certain that if someone were to look at the audience stats
>for the Whiff's four premiere events, the Survivor Series would rank as
>the lowest audience rating.  Simply put, putting four wrestlers together
>who rarely worked together before looks good on paper but tends to
>fizzle in practice,

This is nothing new, once again.  I agree that the ratings are probably
the lowest of the WWF pay-per-views.  Last year they added a title
match, changed one match to three-on-three, and moved the date from
Thanksgiving to the day before.  The year before that, they had changed
from five-one-five matches and one ten-on-ten match to four-on-four
matches.  This year they have added more normal matches, but it is
hardly as if they hadn't touched the format up until now.  I doubt
the entire concept will be dropped and the name changed.

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Subject: Re: Bret Hart - Oh No He Isn't - Oh Yes He Is!
From: brycerw@brandonu.ca
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:40:36 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <9210131824.AA02200@orbital.demon.co.uk>, bobh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Bob Hutton) writes:
> Bret Hart's clean pinfall victory over Ric Flair in Los Angeles, after
> which Hart was awrded the belt, which was apparently seen on Channel 4
> in the area has for some Tunneyesque reason been voided.
> 
> Hart won the title officially at a TV taping Monday night in Saskatoon,
> Saskatchewan when Flair submitted to the Sharpshooter.

Damn glad to hear he was finally given that belt.  Felt for quite a while he
deserved it, but was maybe not big enough (before the steriod scandal).  Proved
he can wrestle at SummerSlam.

There were rumors of Bret wanting to jump to WCW.  Maybe Vince offered him the
belt for a while to keep Bret in the WWF.
> 
> This is official. It will be seen on this weekend's syndies. Quite why
> Hellwig being a prat should curtail Flair's title reign is weird. Even
> after Hart supposedly won the title in L.A., they announced Flair .v.
> Warrior for the strap for the next card on November 14th.
> 
This is odd, but then again, these cards have been known to change.

> Bob Hutton

Rob.
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: jobbers to stars: how does it work?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:13:31 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division


I'd like to pose a question to the oracles of rsp-w:

Do many wrestlers make the transition from jobber to star
(and if so, how does that work?), or is the rule "Once a 
jobber, always a jobber?" 

The reason I ask is that it seems ol' Louie Spiccoli (sp?) put
on a good show with Virgil on Prime Time, and on WCW the jobber-
galore Mike Thor has been looking relatively good lately. I 
remember him once being the average flabby jobber with the
"loot at me! I'm going to get squashed" amateur wrestling outfit
(you know, the ones that cover the torso and have shoulder 
straps). But now he's in better shape, wearing flashy tights, 
and putting up more of a fight against his opponents.

What are the chances that these guys (or others like them) will
end up undergoing a more serious image change and popping up 
somewhere as a bigger name? Is "jobbing" a right of passage, or
a career in itself?

I remember the eternal jobber Mike Jackson, so I worry about these
things.
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Wrestling Superstars
Keywords: Update
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:49:08 GMT

  In the opening, it is announced that the main event at Survivor Series
will be the team of Ric Flair & Razor Ramon versus Savage and UW.  Didn't
say if this will be an elimination match or just a tag match.

  We then hear Vince and Mr. Perfect.  Vince points out that the tv screen
inthe arena shows Ramon talking about Savage.  Ramon then has his match.

  Razor Ramon vs. jobber.  Typical Ramon match.  He misses a clothesline, then
catches his opponent in midair as the jobber attempts a flying body press.  He
then throws him over his (Ramon's) head.  He does a throat slam and ends up
winning with the Razor's Edge (formerly Diamond Death Drop).

  Did a feature on a charity organization for Cancer, I believe sponsored in
part by Gene Wilder, husband of the late Gilda Radner.  Showed celebrities
playing tennis (including Heenen) and Vince announcing something.

  High Energy wrestled.  Actually, they really didn't do much as far as
flying goes.  Ended with Owen bearhugging oponent, Koko dropkicked the guy
off the top rope.  Owenn uses the forward momentum to roll the guy up.  I
know WWF isn't known for wrestling, but whatever happened to Owen doing flips?

  Nailz wrestles.  Just throws opponent out of ring and asks for the Bossman.
No run-in, as Vince says Bossman is not here this week.  Vince announces that
Jack Tunney is making referees enforce the rules mmore. the no sign of any
strict enforcement is given.

  Debut (nod nod, wink wink, say no more) of Miximillian Moon.  Anounced as
Maximillian Moon, but they flash his name as "Max Moon" and Vince calls him
Max Moon.  Similar matches as he did with Comet Kid.  Mr. Perfect said "I've
never..." then caught himself.  Couldn't say he's never seen moves like that,
after Comet Kid debuted a few weeks ago.  Vince said "Very seldom do you see
moves..."  WOn with the flying firemen's carry slam.  Diid do a real nice
gourdbuster (I like it when they get them vertical and then slam down).

  More clips of Backlund.  I believe he was wrestling Adrian Adonis.  Not
Sure though.

  Lance Cassidy debut.  It is Steve Armstrong.  Not singing, but country type
mucis in the background.  Has his Young Pistols tights and boots on.  Boring
match, mostly armdrags.  Lance the Young Cowboy from Wyoming in the South
won with a flying body press.  At least he coud've done a dropkick from the
top rope.


  Gene Okerlund interviews Sergeant Slaughter (wearing a tux).  It is announced
that Slaughter will be refereeing the main event at Summerslam.

  Kamala wresltes.  WHile in the ring, UT appears on the tv screen.  Kamala
stares at it as jobber hopeless tries to attack him.  Kamala wins with
splash, then runs from the ring as Paul Bearer comes down the aisle with a
coffin.

  Bret Hart has the last match.  Wins with sharpshooter.

Next Week: Shawn Micheals, Interview with Flair & Ramon

  End of the show shows Kamala scared in his locker room, not letting
Harvey Whipplemen or Kim Chee in.
From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Oh, stupid me! (Was: Heart Punch) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:28:39 PDT
Organization: J. Benedict Computing
Reply-To: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1



> #> I'll bet that Achy Breaky Heart was the inspiration for the Singing
> #> Cowboy thing. I'll also be that the ABH is Rance whatshisname's
> #> finishing move.
> #

> #Is the Achy Breaky Heart a variation of Stan "The Man" Stasiak's
> #Heart Punch?  
> 
> No. The Achy Breaky Heart is a popular "line dance" in Country and 
> Western (both kinds :-) music. I was (half seriously) suggesting
> that Vince is trying to cash in on the popularity of C&W music with
> a singing cowboy wrestler who's finisher is the Achy Breaky Heart.

Oh, that's right.  I thought I was being such a knowledgable p-dubber
by coming up with that!!!

It *would* be like McMoney to run a cheezy angle like that!

> # In Stan's last few years, he was wrestling out of Portland
> #and his big finisher was the Heart Punch.  He'd hold the jobber's
> #arm over the head with one hand and then whack the slob right on the
> #sternum as hard as he could. I *know* he was hitting hard, 'cause he
> #did it one time and immediately started marching around the ring in
> #pain and Sandy Barr had to remind him to cover the jobber so he could
> #be counted out.
> 
> Before Mark Calloway jumped to the Whiff, his finisher was the Heart
> Punch. IMHO, the HP is a lame finisher. 

Think about it- whacking someone's heart as hard as you can. The first
time I saw Stan do that, I had a friend hit me on the sternum and
it hurt like *HELL*. (I *did* admit I was stupid :))

Anyone else have Stan Stasiak stories??

Jeff

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From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Separated at birth.....
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:21:56 GMT
Reply-To: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz)
Distribution: na
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.

In the tradition of Spy magazine, and for those rspw'ers who follow hockey:

Separated at birth:

Former WWF champ Bob Backlund (Esp. in those old clips) and

Boston Bruins All-Star defenseman Glen Wesley.

Really.
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From: kehler@calliope.uucp (Andy Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Real World's Champ
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:17:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Oct16.151736.23890
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Oct15.221524.5052@CS.ORST.EDU> foleye@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.013129.16405@husc3.harvard.edu> murray@husc8.harvard.edu (Brendan Murray) writes:
>>
>>We're still in a stage of total denial over here (Ric didn't lose,
>>Ric didn't lose, Ric didn't lose, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!).  It just
>>doesn't make any sense.  
>>   [ stuff deleted ]
>>1. Hart will be the next long-term face champion.
>>   This is almost laughable. 
>>   [ stuff deleted ]
>>
>>2. He's a transition so that the belt can go to another heel.
>>   [ stuff deleted ]

>I don't know what Herb has to say about it, but there was one thing
> [ reasons why Flair might win again deleted ]

How about this: we know that Vince needs some major angles to resurge
his federation.  How about a face-vs-face match at WM, Hart vs.
Backlund.  Hart gets frustrated with Backlund's scientific ability and
turns heel, winning my hitting Backlund with a chair (ala Larry Z. vs.
Sammartino, too long ago for the marks to remember).  Afterwards they
have a feud drawn out over several months (ala Backlund feuds of the
early 80's, as when he beat SSB Graham) where Backlund finally wins.
A lot of heat is generated in the meantime with long matches between
two men who can wrestle, and as a result we have superface champion
Backlund.  Then, if Vince is smart, we'll have a nice long Flair vs.
Backlund feud to follow.

Nah, it'll never happen 8-}.  

  -- Andy
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Prime Time
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:24:21 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world


Someone tell me what time Prime Time (The WWF) appears?  I am in the Pacific
Time Zone.

Thanks,


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From: cheshire@acca.nmsu.edu (We are DEVO!)
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Subject: I missed something.
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:10:51 GMT
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: Adrian Adonis?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:53:23 GMT

In article <9210141612.AA11716@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
>
>
>I saw a UK wrestler in the GWF when it started up a year or two  ago by the
>name of "Adrian Street".  He pretty much fits the  description you painted,
>though I guess I wouldn't have guessed  him to  be that  old.   This is the
>first I  had  heard  about  Street,  so  he  must  not  have  been all THAT
>successful when he jumped from the UK to the USA.
>

Street was very successful in the south, especially in the Continental/
Southeast and in Memphis.

-- 
Dominic Macika

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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Re: Intercontinental Champion           
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:07:19 +0000

 The Candy Guru writes...
>These days, apparently, the IC title is reserved for the guy who can work
>the best match, although Piper would be an exception to that rule.
 Let's see, since the Warrior dropped the IC title we've had Perfect /
Tornado/ Perfect / Hart / Mountie / Piper / Hart / Bulldog. Given that the
Tornado, Mountie and Piper were only transitory champions where does that
leave the Bulldog in your theory? Now I had every faith in him, but I can't
believe Vince knew he was going to put on a ***1/2 -> **** match at
Summerslam. He got the strap as a "political" move in front of the home
crowd. Is he feuding with anyone right now?
 Speaking of which, I got a tape the other day with Young David (the Bulldog
weighing about 160 pounds from the mid-80s) vs "Ironfist" Clive Myers. Very
fast. Wrestling was a different game in Britain back then.

> Heck, for a while, Bret Hart was, in theory, the number one wrestler in the
>federation, because the World title was vacant.
 *In theory*, in boxing the top ten contenders compete for the world title,
the next ten compete for the Intercontinental title. (In practice the IC
title is pretty meaningless in the boxing authorities that have one.) How
could Hart be No.1 when Hogan and the Undertaker were the top two contenders
with Flair a close third? (oops, I'm sounding like a mark.)

>On the other side of that, though, if my theory was correct, I think maybe
>Flair would be a candidate for the IC title as well.
 Won't happen, for the same reason Ricky Steamboat wouldn't compete as a
Light-heavy in WCW. It doesn't have the same kudos.


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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Confirmation: Hart is champ!
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:17:07 GMT

In <1992Oct14.143439.2117@cbfsb.cb.att.com> cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli) writes:


>	I heard that the "Bret Hart is Champ"
>rumors are fact: The switch did take place
>in Canada at a TV taping. I also heard that
>the Hart--> Heel X-->Backlund scenario may
>happen. However, as opposed to Hogan vs
>Backlund at WM 9, it may be Flair vs Backlund.

And for what it's worth, the Ottawa Sun ran a photo today of Bret
trying to sunset-flip Flair. The cut-line under the photo said that
Hart took the title from Flair Monday night in Saskatoon.

Michael
From: v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF TAG TEAM TITLE CHANGE and other news
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <20210.9210161317@flatiron.fsg.com>, evan@fsg.com writes...



>  Also, look for ring announcer Howard Finkel to get into the ring without
>  his mike to challenge Harvey Whippleman to a match.  He's had enough of
>  Harvey's insults and wants to settle matters like men--in the ring.  It
>  could happen at Wrestlemania IX.  [Cute gimmick.]



Heh heh...I like it.  The Fink versus...oh ho ho.  In the ring...hyuk.
Whippleman in wrestling trunks? 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAH!

(Sorry 'bout that.)


                                                    --Ben
From: kzim@watserv.ucr.edu (Christopher Robin Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Spin the wheel, swallow an eel
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:23:06 GMT


With "Spinners Choice" being mentioned what seems like every five minutes,  
I got to thinking late last night about Jake's best choice.  At 2 AM it hit  
me.  Jake should choose a match not even on the wheel:

Handicap match:  Sting v. Jake Roberts *with Sid Vicious*

Now THAT would be Helloween Havoc!  Especially on Sting...

Christopher Zimmerman    | "See, there's two kinda bees in this world...
kzim@watserv.ucr.edu     | there's the little worker bee who makes the
kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu     | honey...AND THEN THERE'S YOU FATSO, THE
zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu | USED-TO-BE!" - Sid Justice, on Hulk Hogan  

                          
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: What happened to WWF?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:13:13 GMT

In <1992Oct16.221018.25193@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh) writes:

>only temporary and Flair will quickly regain it. I HOPE. Backlund 
>can't possibly be in good enough shape to wrestle, he's gotta be 60 or
>more. We thought Hogan was old. If it's all to give HIM the title,
>it would surprise me. He's not marketable. At ALL. Marks won't buy him.

Backlund is one year older than Flair, and he's probably in better
shape than Flair too, not having had his body chucked around a ring
for the past 8 years or so.

And as far as the marks not buying Backlund...what's the option? The
marks apparently aren't buying the crap Vince is giving them now,
which is why the man is increasingly desperate to find new talent.

Wrestling thrived for years without all the stupid gimmicks Vince
brought. It will continue to survive. Heck, I bet the AWA could make a
comeback now. Their style of wrestling is back in.

>2) Disasters drop the belts. Tag situation is getting REALLY desperate.

Agreed, and with Rick Steiner out, it looks more and more like the
Steiners will not be the tag team saviors of the WWF...at least not
for a while.


>5) The Future. Vince leaves the WWF. Ratings are dead, house shows are
>dead, PPV is not what was expected. Maybe the anticipated/dreaded
>merger will happen, with Watts/Turner getting the better half. Vince
>won't stay on a sinking ship. Maybe he'll retire. Maybe he'll die.

The trend does seem to be towards retrenchment, except for Europe,
where audiences are still big.

Once Vince gets hit a little harder in the wallet, we'll see even
bigger changes in the WWF. Ted Turner shouldn't have been involved in
wrestling in the first place. Bring back the NWA and the AWA.

Michael
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Separated at birth....
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:08:02 GMT

Greg Gagne and Billy Joel

Barry Manilow and Wayne Bloom