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From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Greman Pre-Qual. Times
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:12:56 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


                                        
 FIA WORLD FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP     
 Pre-qualifying times (four go through):
                                        
                               mins secs
 1 G Tarquini   It  Fondmetal   1:45.518
 2 B Gachot     Bel Venturi Lam 1:45.766
 3 U Katayama   Jpn Venturi Lam 1:46.599
 4 A Chiesa     It  Fondmetal   1:48.502
                                        
 NON-QUALIFIERS                         
 5 R Moreno     Brz Andrea Moda 1:48.878
 6 P McCarthy   GB  Andrea Moda 1:55.476
                                        
                                        
 Britain's Perry McCarthy was again out 
 of luck as his latest bid to qualify   
 for a Grand Prix ended in failure.     
                                        
 McCarthy managed only one complete lap 
 in his misfiring Andrea Moda and his   
 time of 1:55.476 was wiped out because 
 he failed to stop at the weigh-in.     
                                        
 "It's a bit like the same old story but
 I'm determined not to give up. I know I
 can do it," he insisted.               
                                        
 Julian Bailey's bid to replace Eric Van
 de Poele in the Brabham team came to   
 nothing when he failed to secure the   
 sponsorship deal he wanted.            


---Andrew

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From: perryd@Software.Mitel.COM (Dave Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More IMSA Notes
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:42:39 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Jul29.131017.15152@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.160327.3384@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>
>As a IMSA fan I really appreciates Bob's updates on the races. I watched the 
>race on ESPN and was amazed at how fast the Mazdas would scream through the 
>turns but just didn't have the HP in the straights to get by anyone maybe the
>new weight miniums next year will help. I was also amazed at how dominate the
>Toyotas are, they just didn't beat everyone they did it by three laps!
>



Hear, hear. I also enjoy Bob's IMSA posts. About those Toyotas, did something
change on them since Watkins Glen? The Jaguar XJR14 was pulling away from
them quite handily at the Glen, gaining maybe 2 seconds a lap (until the Jag
broke a wheel bearing). What happened? Just the difference in the tracks?

Dave


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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Really fast cars
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Jul 1992 08:45 EST  

In article <1682B1AB.00124961@ysub.ysu.edu>, 00124961@ysub.ysu.edu writes...
>In article <memo.528083@cix.compulink.co.uk>
>shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
> 
>>
>>As has been indicated, any damn fool can take a big engine and bolt 4
>>wheels on it and provided that the drag is low enough go damn fast.
>>BUT limiting factors then become...
>>
>>Tyres and wheels: How many tyres will withstand 400 mph +
>>
>>Aerodynamic stability: You are really trying to keep an aircraft on
>>the ground. Not easy at 400mph +
>>
>>actual track: If it isn't ultra smooth you are in real trouble...
>>
>>...so it is quite a feat to produce a stable 220 mph road car.
>>
>>I believ that there are regular 'Land speed record' contests for
>>wheel driven cars over flying miles somewhere in the US.
>>
>>Anybody know?
>The Bonneville Salt Flats.  It's a dry lakebed in the Western U.S.(I want to
>say California, but I don't think that's right).  Anyway, that's about the
>smoothest hard surface that you're going to get with enough open space to
>let these monsters get up to speed.

Try Utah.  And one of the limiting factors _is_ tires (or tyres).  My 
understanding is that the number of attempts at setting land speed records 
over the past few years has been reduced due to the lack of high speed 
tires (seems they don't make them anymore or something).

JD
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: F1: Technology-limiting rules
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:22:58 GMT


Hi everyone,
	I am posting this for a friend who has some definite opinions on
F1. He has no internet access but I will serve as conduit. I will collect
followups and replies and forward them to him. I will post this piece on
F1 rule trends and follow it with one more post regarding Honda's apparent
imminent withdrawl from F1.


Subj:  Technology-limiting rules            

IMHO, 

I think that F1 is more than just 'racing' per se.  It is a technology
formula in which specific mechanical strictures give way to broader
guidelines...it is a formula in which the TEAMS are competing to develop
better machines with the same fierce passion as the drivers competing to win
races.   Events like IROC seem to represent a trend in American racing in
which the sport is distilled and sterlized, reduced until people believe the
only true component of a race is the driver.  

F1 has always been, from the beginning with marques like Alfa, Ferrari, and
Lotus, a TEAM sport...a sport steeped in the heritage and cultural nuance of
the countries which the teams represe.  It is a sport where there exists not
simply Michael Andretti fans, or Dale Earnhardt fans, but fans deeply and
passionately allied with the enitirty of a team, they become a part of it's
cultural heritage.   Because when the 23 cars line up, and the air is shrill
with the cries of  16,000 horses, it is not one man against one man, it is
the battle cries of nation against nation, culture against culture, team
against team. 

 I'm not saying that Senna and Mansell fans are not avid enough to start the
second crusades, and I've yet to see a foreigner coming from the country of
Footwork, but  a 'Forza Ferrari' flag invariably be brandished at the passing
of a Ferrari  and a Union Jack will always be seen flourishing when a
Williams rockets passed.

Because of this, I feel technologically limiting the cars to make them more
equal, will in the end be more harmful to F1.  It will reduce the teams,
strip them of their indentities and their heritage...for there will be no
NEED for their heritage!   Indeed, what purpose does the legend of Ferrari or
Lamborghini serve if they must ultimately build the same engine?  What point
is there to the mythic handling  of a Lotus if all teams must have the same
chassis?   The sport will be reduced until instead of watching a race in
which marques rich with heritage, culture, and undaunting pride are battling
for supremecy, it will simply be drivers in nameless, faceless, souless
machines with nothing at stake except their own reputations.


Comments/flames?
From: perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Late to the track II - Hakkinen
Keywords: n
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:31:58 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation

KHEIKOLA@finabo.abo.fi (Kai Heikola) wrote:
>In <92199.160045LORAX@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> LORAX@wvnvm.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>> ESPN said Hakkenin missed the pre-race warm up due to incarceration.
>> David Hobbes reported the cops pulled him over for doing something
>> behind the wheel besides driving.  Andy Marriott (ten times the pit
>> reporter John B. was) asked Hakkenin about the incident after the
>> race but he turned coy and dodged the question.  I'm dyin' to know
>> what he was doing in the car that was bad enough to be thrown into
>> the slammer for.  Hobbes insinuated Hakkenin wasn't alone at the time
>> so a scene from "The World According to Garp" comes to mind.
>>
>> david neal                                     lorax@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
>> Elk and Kanawha Rivers
>> Appalachia
>
> (BTW: right spelling is Hakkinen)
>I have read a bit different story from finnish newspapers. Hakkinen was
>stuck in traffic and asked cops to clear him the way to the circuit.
>He was told that patrol is in its way to help him. He decided not to
>spend time waiting for the patrol and started to drive towards it.
>At this point Hakkinen was stopped for driving in wrong side of the
>road by some policemen who didn't know about the situation. It took
>some time before they cleared the mess and therefore Hakkinen missed
>the morning warm up.
>
>Kai Heikola
>

I watched Mr Marriot's interview of Hakkinen and I thought I heard him
mutter something about being stopped for "driving on the right hand side".
This, of course, would put him on the wrong side of the road in the UK.

If he really was zooming along on the wrong side of the road I doubt
whether prior knowledge would affect the attitude of the average British
traffic cop - they are notoriously unsympathetic with people who take
matters into their own hands, no matter what the circumstances.

I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that the first thing the
traffic cop who caught Senna doing 125 MPH was:

  "Who do you think you are?  Nigel Mansel?"

--
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Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA                   I speak only for Me, Inc.
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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: NASCAR BGN Update
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:29:58 CDT



		1992 NASCAR Busch Grand National Schedule

DATE	SITE			WINNER/TV		PTS. LEADER
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/15	Daytona, FL		D. Earnhardt		D. Earnhardt (+10)
2/29	Rockingham, NC		W. Burton		W. Burton (+5)
3/7	Richmond, VA		H. Gant			K. Wallace (+13)
3/14 	Atlanta, GA		J. Gordon		K. Wallace (+13)
3/22	Martinsville, VA	K. Wallace		K. Wallace (+43)
3/28	Darlington, SC		R. Pressley		K. Wallace (+93)
4/4	Bristol, TN		H. Gant			K. Wallace (+71)
4/18	Hickory, NC		T. Houston		K. Wallace (+66)
4/25	Gainsville, GA		B. Labonte		K. Wallace (+76)
5/2	Radford, VA		B. Dotter		K. Wallace (+68)
5/9	Nazareth, PA		T. Bodine		K. Wallace (+84)
5/23	Charlotte, NC		J. Gordon		K. Wallace (+69)
6/1	Dover, DE		R. Pressley		K. Wallace (+41)
6/6	Rougemont, NC		R. Pressley		K. Wallace (+21)
6/20	Myrtle Beach, SC	J. Spencer		K. Wallace (+98)
6/27	Watkins Glen, NY	E. Irvan		K. Wallace (+89)
7/4	Barberville, FL		S. Grissom		K. Wallace (+23)
7/12	Loudon, NH		J. Burton		J. Nemechek (+10)
7/25	Talladega, AL		E. Irvan		J. Nemechek (+24)
8/1	Indianapolis, IN	ESPN-TD
8/8	Rougemont, NC		TNN-L
8/15	Brooklyn, MI		-----
8/23	Loudon, NH		TNN-L
8/28	Bristol, TN		ESPN-TD
9/5	Darlington, SC		ESPN-L
9/11	Richmond, VA		Prime-L
9/19	Dover, DE		TNN-L
10/10	Charlotte, NC		Prime-L
10/18	Martinsville, VA	TNN-L
10/24	Rockingham, NC		TNN-L
10/31	Hickory, NC		TNN-L


Point Standings (as of 7/12):

1. J. Nemechek		2461
2. R. Pressley		2451
3. K. Wallace		2440
4. B. Labonte		2427
5. T. Bodine		2334
6. J. Gordon		2287
7. W. Burton		2230
8. S. Grissom		2171
9. B. Miller		2169
10. T. Peck		2092
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Facts and Rumors before Hockenheim
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:44:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: neptune.1992Jul21.084438.4744
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

Facts:  Unofficial Testing at Hockenheim

 1. Mansell, Williams		1:39.60
 2. Patrese, Williams		1:40.13
 3. Berger, McLaren		1:41.64
 4. Schuhmacher, Benetton	1:41.76
 5. de Cesaris, Tyrrell		1:43.22
 6. Alboreto, Footwork		1:43.42
 7. Alesi, Ferrari		1:43.44
 8. Senna, McLaren		1:43.55
 9. Comas, Ligier		1:43.56
10. Martini, Dallara		1:44.13
...
16. Moreno, Andrea Moda Formula	1:49.27


Rumors:

- Ivan Capelli is not allowed to test drive anymore since he will
  not be driving for Ferrari in 1993
- John Barnard will work for Ferrari again;  chances that Senna
  will drive for Ferrari are therefore higher
- Mansell stays at Williams, with or without Prost 

-- 
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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Driver's origins
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:48:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <m5VPqB2w165w@csource.oz.au> speednut@csource.oz.au writes:
>I recently decided to make a list of all "qualified" drivers, their teams and
>their place of origin just to see where drivers come from and other trivial
>matters. Here is the compilation:
> 
>                       Place of     Team
>Driver's Name          Origin       Proprietor         Chassis Maker       
>%Pine
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>%P--------------
>Hakkinen, Mika         Finland      Peter Schubel      Lotus 102D          
>%Pworth V8
>Herbert, Johnny        England      Peter Schubel      Lotus 102D          
>%Pworth V8

Actually, the guy's name is Horst Schubel.  Or, the guy's name is Peter
Collins (an Australian!).  But, actually, the team is still owned
by Hazel Chapman.

The chassis maker is Lotus, but the cars used this season are the
102D and the 107.

Also, they are not Cosworth-powered.  They use the same Ford HBs
as Fondmetal.  These engines have been two versions behind the HBs that
Benetton has.

>Brundle, Martin        England      Tom Walkinshaw     Benetton B192       
>%Pd V12
>Schumacher, Michael    Germany      Tom Walkinshaw     Benetton B192       
>%Pd V12

As implied above, the Benettons are not V12 powered.  They have
Ford "the highest revving V8 in the world" HBs.

I am not sure what you mean by "proprietor".  Tom Walkinshaw is more of
a team manager (I don't know his actual title).  The team is owned by the
Benetton family.

alan
From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:26:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: wuecl.1992Jul21.152638.10382
Distribution: usa
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew

In article <182704@pyramid.pyramid.com> paulg@pyramid.COM (Paul Griffiths) writes:
] In article <BrnzCv.nC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, fleck@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (richard j fleck) writes:
] (while I'm at it...;) 
] 	I'd love to see what would have happened if it had been Bobby who'd
] pulled that pit move on Micheal... We'd never hear the end of it...  
] 
] 				-PaulG

We seem to 'never hear the end of it' the way it _did_ happen! And I'd
be pretty sure we'd 'never hear the end of it' if it had involved _any_
two of the big name drivers.

  _____    "But you can't really call that a dance. It's a walk." - Tony Banks
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From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Subject: Re: Senna and Me
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:58:54 GMT

>Seriously though - I think in the split second you have to react when
>someone pisses you off, the difference between ('Oh - its Alain the
>cheeky sod - I'll let him get away with that' and  'Up yours
>Brazilian Turkey') might just be an accident or none. Only Ayrton
>drives entirely with his head. Other drivers have emotions. If Ayrton
>wishes to capitalise on that fact, then I say that that is a two
>edged sword, that's all.

There are two things that you should never believe:
1. Some stupid and silly words,
2. Words that the author is ashmed to sign below,

Gilberto
From: t9014153@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: 1993 Fuel regulations
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:38:38 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


Some news (don't flame me if you've heard it!) on the fuel front for the 1993
F1 season.  Apparently all the teams got together at/after the British GP to
discuss some rule changes, fuel regulations were discussed.  The idea that fuel
should be standardised for next season was agreed to by all except
Williams/Elf.  This means that the current mambo juice craze will continue as
a vote has to be unanymous (you know what I'm trying to spell!) for a rule to
change.

The Fly
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: ReL Senna and Me...
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:01:43 +0000

pz@keps.kodak.com (Paul Czarnecki) writes...

>>Actually, I thought Senna drove very well, even though some of his
>>zig-zagging during his fight with Patrese was (IMHO) on the border-
>>line.  On the other hand, noone can expect him to wave another driver
>>by when fighting for second.

>But when he realizes he is beat, he concedes.

But developing my theory of Senna's ice cold tactical brain, I would
say that NOTHING he could have done was more likely to be taken as an
insult by Mansell than to be waved past, having demonstarbly failed
to barge past. IMHO Senna was once again attempting to outpsych
Mansell. And probably succeeding.
From: braithw@cs.uwindsor.ca (BRAITHWAITE GEORGE       )
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Piquett
Date: 31 Jul 1992 16:44:21 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada


	Has anyone heard any news about Nelson Piquett (excuse the spelling) returning to F1.  I heard rumours about this earlier on this year but nothing since.

	Thanks

********************************************************************************Stev:"Lip that note down, it's sharp."
Brad:"LIP NOTHING DOWN... THE HIGHER, THE BETTER!"

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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Senna, Mansell and chicanes
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:05:50 GMT

The only way to settle this dicussion about whether or not Mansell missed
the chicane and should have been DSQ'd is for someone with the FIA yearbook
to look it up and tell us the rules.

Anyway, for what its worth I looked up the description in Autocourse
of the Senna/Prost incident in 1989.  In that case Senna came to rest in the
middle of the track, was pushed to the far side and drove up the escape raod
thereby missing the chicane entirely.  The last four words are quoted
and the last eight represent almost an exact quote.  There was no
escape road at the Hockenheim chicane.  Perhaps this is the difference.
One could argue that mansell did not stay on the road but he did not
miss the chicane in the manner that Senna did.

I also recall that one of the Bennetton boys (Brundle?) drove over the
chicane at Monte Carlo.  He also did not benefit from the experience as 
he had to pit for a new nose or tires or both.  There was no discussion
of penalties then and the MC chicane is not that different from 
the one in the German forest.

Ross Taylor
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Driver's origins
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:54:20 GMT


In article <yxlmm1d.esprit@netcom.com>, esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
|> 
|> The chassis maker is Lotus, but the cars used this season are the
|> 102D and the 107.
|> 
|> Also, they are not Cosworth-powered.  They use the same Ford HBs
|> as Fondmetal.  These engines have been two versions behind the HBs that
|> Benetton has.

|> As implied above, the Benettons are not V12 powered.  They have
|> Ford "the highest revving V8 in the world" HBs.

Are they not Cosworth developed??


|> I am not sure what you mean by "proprietor".  Tom Walkinshaw is more of
|> a team manager (I don't know his actual title).  The team is owned by the
|> Benetton family.

He owns 25% of the team and is proposing to increase that, according to a 
recent CAR magazine article.

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 14:02:56 EDT
From: <BUDGET@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: JD McDuffie Remembered

With the two accidents happening this weekend I thought it might be
appropriate to take a moment to remember JD McDuffie.

As the time approaches for this years Bud. at the Glen I wanted to
pass this info along.

Last year the night before JD's crash he attended a race in Owego NY
The fans really loved him and he stayed well beyond the requested time
and also refused to accept any appearance money.

This year the track is flying his wife and daughter in for a special
presentation.  I believe that this is a great honor for a man who
showed how important the fans were to him.

For those of you that are interested the name of the track is:

Tioga Speedway
Owego NY
The area code is 607

I don't have the phone number now but I'll be there this weekend
and will post the phone number next week.

BTW, does any one have any info on the Martinsville Speedway.
I'm planning on going to the Oct 18 races and was wondering if it
pays to buy advanced seats or is there plenty of space for
general admission.

Thanks
Mark
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Driver's origins
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:14:54 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <m5VPqB2w165w@csource.oz.au> speednut@csource.oz.au writes:
         Country        No. of F1 drivers (some resting)
>        Italy          11      <- Do the Italians love their racing or what?

There was a short article in this week's Motoring News which predicts
a difficult winter for getting sponsorship in Italy. The following quote
is taken without permission:

  "It is well known within the sport that some Italian sponsorship
   arrangements work on a special invoicing system whereby a team
   receives x amount of lira but invoices companies for 3x lira.
   Such arrangements have been rife in international motorsport
   for years.  Now however, the deals are expanding to 5x, and the
   government has promised to stamp out the practice."

>It is also interesting to the note the ABSOLUTE dominance of the teams by
>English owners or management.

As opposed to the Italian accountants :-)

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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