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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:32:55 GMT
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In article <isaac.727666175@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:
>
>>This doesn't explain his silence over the years about this topic.
>>We have seen much discussion about the hypocrisy of not actively
>>(whatever that means in this situation) pursuing the Mashiach.
>
I meant to ask Don what he meant by this. Now's as good a time as any.
(BTW, I've tried to e-mail you, Don, on several occasions, and it
always gets bounced back. I'd be grateful for a suggestion how to send
something to you privately.)

>
>Well, if there isn't a halachic reason, there would have to be
>a practical one. The only practical reason would have to be one in
>which he felt it could damage his Chassidim if it turned out that
>he was not. 

I find it a bit disturbing for anyone to make assumptions about the
Rebbe's reasons, unless the Rebbe himself explicity states them.
AS an example:

>I surmise this was what prompted the Lubavitcher Rebbe (and one should
>refer to him as such as opposed to Rav Schneerson) to tell his Chassidim
>about two years ago that he had had enough and had done all he could
>and that the rest was up to them.
>
>Personally, I think he is an outstanding leader, but I think most 
>problems come from his Chassidim who really have a heck of a lot to
>answer for.
>
Probably true, but undoubtedly not in the way you intend. And the
charge applies equally to everyone, since what the Rebbe asks, he asks
of everyone.

His Chassidim are not the only source of his nachas ruach or pain.


David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:53:52 GMT

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

>In article <1993Jan23.063950.18274@dogface.austin.tx.us>, joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
>> This is a longshot... but are there any systems in Jerusalem that could gateway
>> email to a given pseudo-user out to a fax to the Kotel?

>I wonder, could it also be arranged for God's replies to be forwarded back by
>email, or could He get direct access to internet?

>Laurence

   He created the world in such a way that the service which you ask for is
indeed available but in Israel only. Some graduate level studies are necessary
before one can learn how to operate the service. Those who have learnt enough
understand ( a poor translation from Hebrew "HAMASKIL YAVIN").
   Jacques
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Ariel
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:32:44 GMT

In article <105961@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <199301211402.AA25759@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>>rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel) discusses possible Hassidic names: >Also,
>>the name Ariel itself is somewhat unrealistic for a Chassidic man,
>>>being a modern name.
>
>>... it is incorrect to  consider Ariel a modern name, just look
>>up Ezra 8,16.
>
>And Isaiah 29:1, where Ariel is used as a personification of Jerusalem.
>It's rather strange seeing a man's name referred to as "she".  Then
>again, perhaps it's also a woman's name?

The former emperor of Ethiopia, Haille Salasse (sp?) was known as the
Lion of Judah.  Is Ariel the Lion of G-d?
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
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From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Was ARAFAT A GIRL?
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:04:38 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>No, it's not what I had in mind. English (capitalised) refers to the
>nationality, english refers to the language.

Thank you very much for that information. My usual reference (remember that
English is not my native language) is the Ward Lock dictionary, Oxford edition,
which does not quote anything like "english" and translates "English" as
nationality and language.

Yaaqov "Jacques, in French" Goldberg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dk@nira.wrc.xerox.com (Dorian Kermisch)
Subject: Method of Payment (dollars) in Israel
Organization: Xerox
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:42:36 GMT


	I'm wondering what is the best rate of exchange one can get
	for dollars in Israel.  I.e.; is it best to bring cash and exchange
	at a local bank in Israel, are Traveller's checks any better (aside
	from being safer), is it best to use a Visa card ?


As of a few weeks ago, when you exchange money in a bank in Israel,
after the
 amount of shekels is calculated from the posted exchange rate, you
pay a
"comission" of about $5 per transaction and about $2.50 per traveller
check.
Hence, safety aside, you are better off with cash and second best,
large
traveller checks. However, my experience has been that in any country,
paying by 
credit card results in the best exchange rate. 

I was told that there is a black (or gray) market to exchange dollars,
where you 
essentially save the comission, but that you risk to have your money
stollen. 

I cannot advise you on car rentals, except to warn you that they are
at least twice as
expensive as in the USA.

				Dorian 

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:17:43 GMT

david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:

>I find it a bit disturbing for anyone to make assumptions about the
>Rebbe's reasons, unless the Rebbe himself explicity states them.

You should not.
It is disturbing when they claim they *know*.
It is never disturbing when someone analyses and makes an assumptive
suggestion.


>Probably true, but undoubtedly not in the way you intend. And the
>charge applies equally to everyone, since what the Rebbe asks, he asks
>of everyone.

Not true. He asks of everyone, but everyone need not listen.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe knows that as well as anyone.
The Chossid MUST listen. He/She has taken the view that the Rebbe is
their Rav Hamuvhak and more. Others have NOT.

Everyone stresses different things and feels different things are
important. I haven't seen for example a campaign against speaking
loshon hora. That doesn't mean it isn't important to the Rebbe.
It also doesn't mean that it should not be the number one priority for
some people. Everyone has their own ideas, Rov, and way in life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: How do Jews reconcile science and philosophy with their faith?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:56:34 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <44049@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:
>There seem to be many Jews (perhaps non-practising) in the sciences
>and mathematics.  Perhaps some of them even read this newsgroup.  It
>seems to me that it is difficult to reconcile various scientific
>accomplishments with religion in general.  For example, evolution
>and the big-bang theory run contrary to the account given in the
>Bible.  In the philosophical realm, I haven't heard any defenses of
>free will vs. determinism or other dilemmas given by people of a
>Jewish background.  So, how do you people do it?  "It" refers to
>reconciling your fundamental religious beliefs with the scientific
>and philosophic theories (&c.) of the day.

Well, I probably shouldn't get involved in a huge topic like this,
but what the heck...

Let's take your example of "evolution and the big-bang theory run
contrary to the account given in the Bible." It appears to me that
you presume that Judaism is akin to certain forms of Christian
fundamentalism which are incapable of seeing the Bible as a human
document. I don't accept this notion. The Bible, in my opinion,
represents the best attempt of our forebears to transmit their
experiences, their wisdom, their surmises about the natural world
in which they found themselves, their speculation, their sense 
of justice, etc. Sometimes they have smaller goals in mind--property
disputes, tribal problems, individual jealosies, etc. 

The Bible contains all these things and bequeaths to us the right
to interpret and reinterpret. But because it is essentially human
it can be questioned, and we may need to find justification to
depart from its advice. 

Personally, I see no conflict between the various creation stories
found in Genesis and occasionally referred to in other Biblical works
and modern science. That's because I don't think the author of 
Genesis was responding to scientific questions or using the
scientific method. We no longer have an opportunity to directly
confront the author of Genesis 1 and say, "Do you really think that
growing things were created on such-and-such a day?" Chances are,
he or she would respond, "You're missing the point. The important
point is that we are all subject to the forces of nature, and 
that human beings have to be responsible somehow for their actions.
Whether I've got the order of the days right or not is immaterial."

I suspect some of you out there might have different ideas, I 
think it's a good topic.
-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
From: "Chaim R. Dworkin"  <chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu>
Subject: The Kotel Hama'aravi has a fax number!
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <"Chaim R. Dworkin"  <chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:49:37 GMT

>From Israeline of 21 Jan...

 
>Bezek Introduces Fax Service for Western Wall Notes
>
>Today's HADASHOT reports on an experimental service introduced
>yesterday by the Bezek communications company in Israel. Bezek
>initiated a fax service to the Wailing Wall. Anyone wishing to put
>a note in between the stones of the Wall, may fax their request by
>dialing 972-2-612-222 at any hour of the day. A Bezek messenger
>will then take the fax and place it in a gap between stones in the
>Wall. Bezek spokesperson said that requests will be printed on
>regular fax paper and that  the service is still experimental. The
>spokesperson added that both AT&T and MCI have expressed interest
>and have announced their intention to start listing the new
>service within the next few days.
 

Wow, when is it going to get an e-mail address?  Perhaps
kotel@israel.nysernet.org?

:^)   :^)   :^)
____
Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu

This message courtesy of NUPOP v 1.03
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dbtdxc@ARCO.COM (David Chapin)
Subject: Re: Davidic Lineage
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:17:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.155951.10320@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:
> 
> . . . Rappoport is also Italian in derivation. . .
> 
> 		Seth Rosenthal
> 

Your history is essentially correct with the exception of the
above statement. It used to be thought that the Rappoport line
was derived from Rabbi Menahem Hacohen of Porto, Italy (Rapa Porto), 
and many of the older texts report this. However, recent work 
has uncovered that there was a Rabbi Menahem Hacohen in Oporto,
Portugal. It is from this person that the lineage began. 
In fact, I have yet to find out where Porto, Italy is.
My maps show "Portofino", but no "Porto". For those interested,
there is a society in Israel that is devoted to research into
the Rapoport line - run by Dr. Chanan Rapoport. If you Email me, 
I will provide the address.

   David Chapin
   dbtdxc@er.arco.com 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: child help
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:15:47 GMT

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:01:43 GMT, mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross) said:


> Richard from London asks about employment in the US. There is an organization
> with a London office called CIEE (Council for Internation Educational Experience)
> or some such. Last I checked with them--five years ago-- for a $75 fee
> they would provide working papers and connections towards finding a job on
> either side of the Atlantic. They have a visa echange program. There is also
> an organization called BUNAC. I don't recall what the letters stand for, but
> 'B' was for British. They placed some Univeristy of Manchester (UK) students
> who I met at the JSOC (Jewish Society on campus) as camp counselors in the US.

> YIVO also runs a summer volunteer program where you could help salvage old books.
> I can't imagine that any program would provide airfare contingent on future
> employment, and would be wary of such promises. Indentured servitude is forbidden
> by the US Constitution except in prisons and the Armed Forces. Correct me if I'm
> wrong, but I think that's the Fourteenth Amendment.

> Good luck,
> Michelle
> mgross@nosc.mil

It is legal to sign a contract promising a certain amount of work for
the air fare if it is written in such a way as to guarantee repayment if
you quit.  It is similar to your employer advancing you your pay in
expectation that you will work until you would have received that check
anyways.

It is just like any other loan which must be repayed.  The employer
however is allowing you to repay with work rather than a check.  I don't
know the tax implications however (is it considered taxable income that
is earned, taxed, and then given back to the employer to reapy the
debt?).

--
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Thirteen tribes :)
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Keywords: qwerty
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:01:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.141614.203492@uctvax.uct.ac.za> naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

>Actually there were no physically lost tribes either in the sense of not
>knowing where they are or in the sense of extinction or assimilation. The
>term "lost tribes" in the Tanach refers to the northern tribes who were exiled 
>by the Assyrians. This process of exiling consisted of the forced removal and 
>relocation of the "elite" or upper class. The Assyrians left peasants,
>fishermen and even artisans alone so that new nobles exiled from somewhere else 
>could be brought in and the economy would still be working. 

There is a medrash that Jeremiah went to retrieve the exiles in
the time of Yoshiah.  Rabbi Schwab says that the Yovel count was
restarted at that time. (ca 3304 or 626 BCE) [see timeline.tanach
archived on israel.nysernet.org - plug].  Thus from that time on
Yehudah was a full mixture of all the tribes as that is a
requirement for the laws of Yovel.

>
>So modern Jews are a good mix of all the tribes.
>
>
>As for the number 10. The two most likely possibilities are that the Levites
>among the northern tribes are being counted as "lost" or Menasseh should be
>split into East and West Menasseh. (Or perhaps even Simeon was counted as lost
>since they spent most of their history twiddling their thumbs way down to the
>south.)
>
>Colin

The count of ten comes from the incident of Ahiyah (?) the
prophet ripping his cloak into twelve pieces and giving ten to
Yeravam (Jeroboam) to tell him that his revolt against Shlomo's
son Rechavam would succeed.  Yehudah and Binyamin were considered
the two tribes staying loyal to the House of David.  Shimon was
considered completely scattered among the rest of Israel and thus
part of the ten.  Levi was not counted as they had no inheritence
(and belonged to the temple) while Yosef was considered two -
Ephraim and Menashe.  East and West Menashe were still considered
one tribe.

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: hf@tk.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Fuchs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:03:15
Organization: Karlsruhe University, Germany
	<1993Jan22.210237.7887@island.COM>
	<1993Jan24.051110.20984@Princeton.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: whyaduck.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de
In-reply-to: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU's message of Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:11:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.051110.20984@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

> Only in totalitarian states is membership in an organization a crime.

I hope you don't think that Germany and Israel are totalitarian states.
In Germany membership in certain terrorist and/or Nazi organizations
is a crime. In Israel if some guys from the military think you are a
member of Hamas, it might not be called a crime, but it can lead to
exile in Lebanon.
--

Harald Fuchs <hf@tk.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de>
From: lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfreyman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: educating gideon
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:20:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

very interesting tv documentary on the behaviour of the
jewish settlers in the west bank and jerusalem (btw, the
state of israel will not release data on the total number of
houses built in any year to the outside world, despite
the gouging of ten billion bucks from american pockets
last year, for instance. rather rude, if you ask me.).

the first snippet was a policy to restrict palestinians
building land outside their own villages. as the massive
amount of jewish settlement slowly builds a ring around
these villages, what one has is the creation of many
separate palestinian pockets. ghettoes, to name them truly.

the second little item dealt with a bunch of about twenty
jews who just walked into a fully furnished palestinian-owned
house in jerusalem one day, and squatted in amid the owner's  
jewelry, photos, personal effects, etc. etc., taking over
eighteen of the twenty rooms. the interviewer asked the jewish
leader what was going on. the man said that in fact they did buy
the house from an arab. however, the subsequent trial revealed
this to be an outright lie, and in fact they had been told by the
israeli ministry of housing to undertake this action.
this august body is financing many such groups in similar activities,
it turns out. pure monty python; pure fascism, too.

all this appears bizarre indeed, and, were it not for the human impact, i
would be grinning very broadly indeed. i guess the twisted lesson to be
learned here is that if you teach people first-hand about ghettoes and
fascism, they will be doomed to re-inflict these disasters on others
in their turn.
  
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| lord snooty @the giant |  inceptus clamor frustratur hiantes             |
| poisoned electric head |              andrew_-_palfreyman@cup.portal.com |
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From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Religious breakdown of Clinton Cabinet
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:21:46 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan22.191430.13897@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>
>Clinton has said he will include Gore in many decisions, and it is
"promised"? 
Can somebody check if it is in the Rush Limbaugh list of Clinton's
promises?
Can Rush post the whole list here, if he reads s.c.j ?

>likely Gore will sit in on many policy making meetings with the
>president.  But this is pure speculation.
>-- 
>Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus


Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Cleaning up SCJ
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:33:09 GMT

In <9301261448.AA02314@cyclone.sbi.com> gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don
Gertler) writes:

>I couldn't agree with you more.  Anyone who knows me would
>tell you that I never exercise moderation.  Never.

I sometimes exercise moderation, but only in moderation.

(Is it Adar already?  Aren't we a bit early?)

--
David F. Skoll
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:22:42 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)

In article <gZ4PXB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:
>BEZEK,  the israeli telephone company, installed a fax next to the Kotel
>(Wailing Wall) where everybody can send a prayer or petition to God, and
>an employee of the company puts them  afterwards in the gaps between the 
>stones of the wall.  The best of it: this service is free of charge! The
>fax number is:

>                        (++ 972 2) 61.22.22

The copy of this I read in the newspaper said that it was NOT toll-free.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Davidic Lineage
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1993Jan27.145327.24451@starbase.trincoll.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:02:32 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.145327.24451@starbase.trincoll.edu> nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:

   In article <1k5b35INNpi1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ct976@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (H. Da
   niel Hirsch) writes:
   >
   >I have a neighbor, a sephardic Rabbi, who can trace himself to
   >a certain author.  The author of the sefer - in the introduction
   >- traces his own lineage to David.  That sound like Davidic
   >lineage to me.

   Query: is there any Jew in this group who is _not_ descended from
   David (and just about everybody else)?  Comment from demographers and
   statisticians especially welcome.

Probably many can trace David as an ancestor.  However, to be a member
of the House of David requires a male lineage, which probably
eliminates a lot of us.

Oh, btw, is uninterrupted male descent from David good enough? or do
you have to be a descendent through all of the Davidic Kings?  Also,
the Babylonian Jewish community had a Exilarch, which claimed to be a
Davidic Pretender, until the 10th or 11th century (I think).

--
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School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
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