From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:36:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Aug14.173624.10218
Organization: Summit NJ

In article <BsyGBD.66w@acsu.buffalo.edu> omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies) writes:
>In <1992Aug9.234825.11097@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>
>>Excuse me, but why is Levi Strauss stopping their contributions to
>>BSA?  It's because of pressure put on them by people who are opposed
>>to fundamental, decent, moral values.  As I've said before and I'll
>>say again, it's totally pathetic for an organization that stands for
>>decent standards of morality, as BSA does, to be the group that's
>>under sttack.
>
>    No stan, they decided to do it all by themselves...  Is that what
>you (the people so feverently supporting this campaign against Levi's
>& Co) are afraid of?  That people are finially looking that this whole
>issue and dare deciding that you're wrong?

You know darn well what the issue is.  It's Levi, et.al., succumbing
to guerrilla warfare being waged against BSA by trying to dry up
their sources of funding.  All of a sudden, an organization that is
based on normal, proper, moral values, is under attack; something
is wrong here, and Levi's or BofA or Wells Fargo succumbing to those
attacks is a sick statement of the state of our society.

>      I renmeber this arguement in our mail messages.. Funny you
>stopped writing when you couldn't prove your point..  Well, I'm going
>to say something to you stan... Even in being gay was a choice (and
>it's not.. (try being gay for a week stan.. Go ahead sleep with a man
>et all)  I'll bet you can't.) anywho even if it was a choice.. IT

	Actually, I couldn't sleep with anyone other than my wife,
	and I'm sure that involves an override of animal instincts
	too.

>WOULD BE MY CHOICE!  You still have no more right to discriminate
>against me than I have to persecute you because you're christian.  
>Oh, BTW Morality (as I said in my letters) aren't for you or anyone
>else to judge.. If it doesn't hurt you or anyone else you should just
>but out.

First of all, this discussion is NOT appropriate for rec.scouting.
BSA has it's rules and moral standards; if you CHOOSE not to live by
them, it's your problem, not BSA's.  Just because you stand on a
soapbox, it doesn't mean that the societal norm will change to suit
YOU.   You claim it's "discrimination"; I claim you are misusing that
word so badly that you mask the legitimate problems and issues of
minority groups.  God gave us all brains so that we can control our
behavior and override our animal instincts; there are people who
because of their place of birth or ancestry are discriminated against
because of factors, such as skin color, that they can't override with
their brains.  Your lifestyle outside the societal norm is your CHOICE,
and society doesn't have to change for you in the same way that it
didn't have to change for hippie communes with their promiscuity and
illegal drug use.  The situation involving real minority groups, with
legitimate issues of discrimination, is totally different from your
pathetic attempts to jump on their bandwagon.

Also, ust because I gave you the last word in our mail messages doesn't
mean that I was unable to refute your points; I was just ignoring
you because there was nothing more to say.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
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