From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:11:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150909.8125@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
>In article <2SEP199221354498@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>  
>s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>> In article <65500076@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )  
>writes...
>> >usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> > 
>> 
>> I think Mr. Ze Yang is right here. According to Carl's logic, Han's treated
>> Han's badly, so would treat Tibetans worse and treat foreigners the worst.
>> However, the logic in China is probably the opposite: the far you from
>> him the best he treat you. That is why foreigners are treated better
>> than Chinese. In a family, when there is a guest, kids is always the
>> one to yield. May be it is rooted in our culture.
>> 
>> I may be wrong. Enlight me, somebody.
>> c.q
> 
> 
>My logic is Han people will not treat people better who are not regarded as  
>superior. The sad fact is Han people regard Tibetans at most as equal (if not  
>inferior). They may treat some foreigner a bit better but not Tibetans. If you  
>walk on the streets of Chinese cities and hear people talk about minorities, I  
>bet you won't find a single word about their superiority. Many times you will  
>hear words and sentences about how dirty, lazy and uncivilized some minorities  
>are. 
> 
>It's good to regard all peoples equal. But in China, not all the people think  
>this way. Some (if not many) people will feel happy and satisfied if they find  
>people "inferior" to them. If They can not find, they will make. 
> 
>Take Shanghai for an example. In Shanghai, people look down upon people whose  
>ancesters were from northern Jiangshu Province. In some extreme cases, some  
>girls would not marry their fellow Shanghainese guys simply because the guys'  
>father or grandfather or even grand-grandfather were from northern Jiangshu.  
>The reason is probably northern Jiangshu was a poor area among eastern China  
>and the first generation from northern Jiangshu usually worked as labors. This  
>kind of discriminations are not rare in many parts of China. If China had  
>different races, I bet there would be racial discrimination too.
> 
>Some of us may still remember the incident happened in Nanjing several years  
>ago where a group foreign students from Africa were attacked by Chinese college  
>students simply because these Africa students had Chinese girl-friends and made  
>local people unhappy. If those African students had been white, there wouldn't  
>have been such incident. I would point out that some (if not many) CSS here  
>have racial discrimination too although they themselves might be discriminated  
>against in the meantime.
> 
>I find it hard to believe that Han people treat Tibetans better as Ze Yang  
>said. Like some CSS, Ze Yang's opinion is very self-centered. People like him  
>always refuse to think from the other side. I guess this is of our "ugly" part  
>of Chinese culture. We Chinese used to think China as center of the world and  
>expect other peoples think this way too. This is impossible and unfair. When  
>some of us find other people have different or opposite opinions, they usually  
>feel insulted easily and attack back without logics and reasoning. I guess this  
>is related to both our ugly part of culture and people's personalities.
> 
>Carl

Carl, I think you are right to point out that ppeople (not just Chinese
people) would easily discriminate those people whom they  believe are 
not superior.

However, is that a fact that Beijing has invested huge amount of money
in Tibet and has been encourage the development of Tibet? Is that a fact
that Tibetans has a much better life than fourty years ago (metarialisticly
speaking)? Maybe, induvadually, Han discriminate minorities. But if you
say the central government intentioanly suppress the minorities, especially
Tibetans, I think that would not be fair.

I visited Qing Hai in 1984. I saw how underdeveloped those area is
and I saw how hard the Hans there work to help the development. To my
personal experience and knowladge (may be mostly from CCP's propaganda)
I have very very hard time to believe what Dalai reported.

Back to you.

c.q.
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