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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:31:47 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: She wore a raspberry beret (and used corduroy perfume)
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>>The Dead play "on the
>> edge", and that's where they get their energy.  Phish were always *exactly*
>> where they wanted to be, and their music was stagnent.

>Boy, have you got an artificially rosy picture of the Dead. They play at that
>edge for maybe fifteen minutes in an average set: the drums/space segment, and
>the part where they're deciding whether to play "The Other One" or "Dark Star."
>I've been listening again to _Infrared Roses_, and I still think it's weak--
>despite their decades of experience with free playing, they sound like they're
>flailing, not listening to each other at all. At least Phish sound like an
>ensemble that can trust each other in the clinches.

I didn't mean the Dead *always* play on the edge; I wish they did, I'd bother
to go see them again.  My view of the Dead is anthing but rosy; the parts of
the show I like are well outweighed by boring shit.  I also meant "edge" in a
slightly different way than you took it.  I meant edge as in improv, not
necessarily atonal out-there stuff, but stuff where the music is driving
things, and the band is forced to react to it.  Usually this happens in the
very first song of the night, the first set closer, and at various points in
the second set.  It didn't happen at all with Phish (ok, maybe at one point
for about 30 seconds, but it was hard to tell).  And for the Phish to trust
each other is easy; they've worked out the arrangements so completely as to
insure each member is doing "the right thing" at "the right time".  That,
to me, is *really* boring.

Infared Roses, from what I've heard, is useless.  The best space jams have
always seemed part of the flow of the evenings music.  To cut them up into
nice CD-sized pieces is to take them out of context.  The jams sound only
vaguely coherent in concert; I'm not suprised they sound jumbled on the CD.

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:24:54 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RAPCHANT
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              "DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL" at Jul 22, 92 9:39 pm

Well that's OK, then.  I agree some rap IS mindless (some of a lot of music is
mindless).  I just didn't want to see chant get a bad rap.

As a former long-time attender of a Black Church who also is a very
good Torah-chanter, I've got this mission of DEFENDING this important stuff!
The Blues Brothers said it all...
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:37:24 -0400
From:         SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET
Subject:      The final word...

"I accuse you of ruining my career." Jello Biafra on the Ophrah Winfrey
show to Tipper Gore.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:30:18 PDT
From:         "Michael M. Masuda" <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: vocalizer

On the other hand,

A vocalizer can be something completely different.
I recently came across something in the music stores
where a microphone was connected to a synth.
It was a MIDI microphone set-up!
You sing the notes, and the circuitry inside
runs a Fourier analysis and picks out the fundamental frequency
of the sung note.  The fundamental frequency is then sent to
a frequency-to-voltage converter.
The voltage is read by MIDI circuitry and is converted to
MIDI data and can be read by any MIDI instrument, sequencer, etc.
If you can hum a good tune, you can play this thing.
It has a built-in sound module with preset sounds, so you can
start composing right away.
It would be nice if this device was also harmonic sensitive, so
that it can emulate aftertouch on a keyboard.
Imagine humming a Miles Davis Trumpet part!
This technology has a lot of potential.

 3
M
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:27:32 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Country Music
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AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU (Eddie Armstrong) sez:

>Listen to a Country Music station for about a week or 3 days to see what you
>think.

Oh, dear, and I thought I could keep myself from breaking The ALLMUSIC
Rule (tm): all genres have musical value.

But I can't.  Call me weak.  I don't care.  Here it comes:
All genres *EXCEPT*COWBOY*MUSIC* have musical value!!!

Here's some advice for you -- play bass in a cowboy music band for
three hours (I-V-I-V-I-V all night long!)

Hell, I can stand elevator music and (what's that genre that rhymes with
sewage?).  I can even stand Manilow...  No I can't!  Die, Barry, you
scum-sucking commie bastard!   Eat flaming death!!!!

(pant pant pant)

OK, Manilow and cowboy music.  That's it.  Everything else passes.
That's not too bad in a world that supports Phillip Glass, Montovani
and Enya.

Bob (don't listen to no damn Manilow either)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:48:47 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: country blues
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 29, 92 7:26 am

>
> i haven't listened to Lonnie, but a couple of times i guess i'll have
> to pick something up.
>
I'm going to check tonight for the name of what I think is the best one to
get--"when he's hot, he's hot; when he's not, he's not" (sorry to hear about
his trashed concert in another post).  It might be called "Strike like
Lightning" -- I'm no good at titles
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:54:14 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: country blues
              29 Jul 1992 08:48:47 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

strike like...etc i believe is lonnie mack
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:14:13 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      yarp (yet another rap post) & I know a hawk from a handsaw
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i remember a tune debbie harry did with blondie in the early eighties that had
quite a long rap in it.  it was on _autoamerican_, but i can't remember the
name of the song.  anyone?  it was a rather silly verse about a man from mars
who went to bars and was eating cars, etc.  i haven't heard it in years and
the album is with an old roommate from college.  gee, i wonder what it would
sound like to me now...

From:           "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB%MITVMA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:        I know a hawk from a handsaw

heh, heh, the wind must be southerly...


lee "mad north by northwest"
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:49:10 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      hendrix

Just curious what's your favorite hendrix tune. I'm partial to
Wind Cries Mary
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:51:25 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Country Music

I'm into some country music like Son House, Skip James just kidding.
I do like older country (cline,williams,tubb,...etc) but the newer
slick polished manufactured stuff be it blues country pop rap
just doesn't do anything it sounds fake and gives me a fake feeling,
but if you like it that's great.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:23:59 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      rap

I have to take exception to the idea that Woddy and Bob D. were doing what
rap "singers" do. What these 2 did was write meaningful (to them of course)
lyrics and put it over a MELODIC format. I mean even Bob D's 113th dream
song with it's endless lyrics is melodic, even if repetetive. Maybe we're
getting back to the chanting roots of alot of folk/blues music.

Although I have heard some rap/music fusion groups and dug the beat along
with the INSTRUMENTS and lyrics, I find most rap to be intellectually
boring if not infantile, machoistic, the beat endlessly sterile, (maybe
good beats for internal bodily functions on a freight train), and I do
agree that MTV concentrates on this marketable trash to the neglect of alot
of great old and new videos I'd love to see.

Something which will date me, but who cares is the fact that when I was grow-
ing up it was nearly impossible to get to SEE what your favorite group
looked like and sounded like onstage or when just being interviewed. Hence
the amazing reponse of america when Ed Sullivan introduced the Beatles to us.
And I remember actually staying at home on Saturday night to catch a glimpse
of G. Harrison, the Stones, Dylan, Santana, or whoever Saturday Night Live
might have on. These were real treats !! Unless you had been to a concert, you
didn't really know what to expect. Now everyone sees alot more of their faves
on either MTV, VH1, or one of the various late night shows.

I personally would love to see more old video stuff, the kind of thing that
sat in archives for a couple decades.

BLUES: I hope someone does start a net home for this, my favorite musical
style. I was thinking of trying the folk music list to see if there might be
some some stuff of interest. But please do, anyone !

Also, addendum to fave female blues singers: Katie Webster - she pays her
own mean piano and sings delicious raunchy, soulful blues. Haven't caught her
live yet. Later folks - flame me on the rap if you want, but it's just my
opinion.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Dave Barry and the Democratic Convention!
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:38:14 GMT

In article <9207232043.AA07810@dg-webo.webo.dg.com> Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM> writes:
>    its political wives to have a stay-in-the-backgorund,
>    stand-by-your-man, worshipful-gaze-type of personality, as epitomized
>    by Pat Nixon and most Labrador retrievers.
>
>    So a few months ago, when the Clinton campaign was faltering, party
>    officials had Hillary abducted and taken to the top-secert Housewife
>    Indoctrination Clinic, operated by Betty Crocker, where Hillary was
>    subjected to thousands of hours of "Ozzie and Harriet" reruns and given
>    massive intravenous doses of Lemon Pledge.

>    The wives burst into applause when the New Hillary entered the room,
>    with her New Friend, Tipper Gore.  Fashion-wise, they were both wearing
>    what I would describe as "outfits."  Hair-wise, Hillary had what a
>    seasoned journalist informed me was a "blunt cut," whereas Tipper had a
>    "page boy."  Needless to say they are both blonde, but Tipper is
>    blonder, and has better Family Values as measured by opposition to
>    dirty songs.

It also appears the New Hillary's hair is ever-so-slightly blonder than the Old Hillary.

Jeff 
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:22:57 EDT
From:         Zimri Smith <ST701790@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Peter Gabriel

A few days ago I got a peek at a record distributor trade publication,
which listed the release date for Peter Gabriel's next album (to be
entitled "Us") as Sept. 22. Mark your calendars!

I'd also like to make a few other general comments regarding recent
discussion relating to Gabriel.

First, someone was right on the money when saying that Gabriel was
one of the most innovative artists of the 80s. It is quite correct
that he was employing African polyrhythms well before it became
chic to do so. Someone mentioned Paul Simon and Johnny Clegg in
the same breath as people who picked up on the trend. I'd say this
is true of Simon, but not of Clegg; Clegg has been playing
music influenced by traditional African forms for well over a decade,
perhaps approaching two. This has always been the type of music he's
played, as opposed to Simon. I suppose Simon should get some credit
for getting people to look into African artists such as Mahlathini
& the Mahotella Queens, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, etc., but it made
me sick to see Simon getting all this attention as a brilliant
musical innovator for using this stuff. Gabriel was way ahead of
him back in '79 and '80, when the third solo album (the melting
face one) was recorded and released.

Anyway, it's also hard to generalize about Gabriel's solo efforts,
as the albums are so different. The first two in particular have
*completely* different sounds to them, and both of them sound
completely different from the face-melt and Security albums. So if
you haven't heard any of his stuff other than the "So" album,
there's a lot of wonderful territory to be explored. If you don't
particularly care for one album (hard as it is for me to believe
this is possible), keep going. You may find yourself pleasantly
surprised. And definitely don't overlook his soundtrack to "The
Last Temptation of Christ", which is titled "Passion".

I began by saying that Gabriel was definitely one of the most
innovative artists of the '80s. I'd be surprised if he didn't
continue in this mold and be one of the most innovative artists
of the '90s.

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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: Ya boneheads!
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:27:23 GMT


In a previous article, ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET (Tim Johnson) says:

>Drummer says:
>>   Frank Zappa isn't dead. Nice going. He is alive and well.
>>   Again, we are being fed wrong informations.

>  Drummer, you insensitive Pig!  Zappa was a great musical
>figure.  What the H*ll is the matter with you?  Show some
>respect for his memory.  Geeze.  I hope you get flamed to
>a crisp for this.

  Uh, bite me, Tim.  ;)

  Some people just never forgive being called an intellectual...

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:19:00 EST
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: They're creepy and they're kooky
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>> Gentle Giant _Three Friends_
>>     Just starting to listen to this one. It's not quite what I expected. I'll
>>     wait until I hear the whole thing before I say anything.

>Did you ever get into this one? I still think this band was one of the most
>intelligent things that ever happened to rock music-- this is where I got my
>taste for counterpoint.

It's still growing on me. I've been playing it a couple times a week. When
I originally posted that after listening to it in my car. I've learned my
lesson that this is not the best way to get into some types of music.

>Also, where did you find Urban Ambience? Newbury Comics?

Yup, the one on Newbury Street. There was one left after I bought it, so you
might want to practice the ole sales pitch again... 8)

-Adam
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:24:03 EDT
From:         "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject: Re: Traffic??
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	HI,
	Haven't seen anything in a couple of days. Have I perhaps been unsubbed??. If
 so please hook me up again. If not what does everyone think of reggae and do
 many of you listen to it?

				Dave
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:40:11 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Country Music

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:27:32 CDT Bob Crispen said:
>
>Here's some advice for you -- play bass in a cowboy music band for
>three hours (I-V-I-V-I-V all night long!)
>
  Now, just a minute here! I played bass in a cowboy band, many years
  ago, and *I* came up with a CREATIVE bass part. Now, pay attention...
  it went I-II I-II I-II all night long!!!

 But the clubowner fired us because he said we were too "far out".

 So I gave up country music.

David

PS. BTW, for anyone who's not sure, :-)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:08:29 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      post-smasheroo Dylan

OK, now let's let the list discuss whether Dylan lost his creative juice
when he lost control of the handlebars. Here's a chronology of albums before
& after Bob got hurled from the Harley (courtesy of Amerigrove):

Bob Dylan (1962)
Times They Are A-Changin' (1964)
Another Side of Bob Dylan (1964)
Bringing it all Back Home (1965)
Highway 61 Revisited (1965)
Blonde on Blonde (1966)

SCREEEECCCH!!...CRASHHHH!! 29 July 1966

while recuperating, Dylan recorded what would later be called The Basement
                    Tapes, along with The Band (released in '75)
John Wesley Harding (1968)
Nashville Skyline (1969)
Self-Portrait (1970)
New Morning (1970)
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (1972)
Planet Waves (1974)
Before the Flood (1974)
Blood on the Tracks (1974)
Desire (1975)
  ... and so forth. So, fellow ALLMUSIC addicts, what do you think of
the next 10 years' output of Dylan after he became Honda Hash?
Rick
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:50:20 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: B.B.
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 27, 92 1:38 pm

>
> On this particular night he was in memphis doing the blues club kinda
> thang and the audience was not moved and his playing was not inspired
> according to the writer. I saw him about a year ago and was not moved
> at all, and for exactly the reasons you mentioned, however we all know
> he's capable. Of all the King's (freddie,albert.b.b.) B.B. may be my
> least favorite but the man has soul and the chops to go with it.
>
What I liked about BB in his youth was that wonderful high-pitched voice... not
exactly Skip James, but just as special.  There's a whole group  of
 higher-sounding voices in the blues which are very moving.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:48:18 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: other groups
              24 Jul 1992 07:43:43 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:43:43 EDT Sonia Kovitz said:
>>
>> >does anyone know of other groups that deal with blues or guitar i could
>> >subscribe to. If there isn't there ought to be.
>>
>> If you find any, please let me know too!
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>Why don't you start one?
>
As the systems engineer for WMVM1, I have the ability to create new groups on
our LISTSERV.  I would be to serve as the host site for such a group.  Two
caveats:

1) This machine is scheduled to be phased out around 7/93.  I *cannot*
   guarantee that such a group would be moved to the replacement platform (an
   RS6000 network, over which I have *no* authority).

2) I do *not* have the time to act as manager for such a list.

If there is anyone out there (Adam?) who would be willing to serve as list
manager, let me know.  BTW, it may have to wait a while, as I'm on vacation
next week, and don't know if I'd have time to set it up this afternoon.

-Scott Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:08:52 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      CHANTS
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I seem to remember a reference in an old sci-fi novel (was it 1984 or Animal
Farm?) to the author (sometime in the early 1940's or earlier) predicting
that the 'music of the people' would degenerate into mindless lyrical
"chanting"... is that what's happened?  Did that 'way-back' author foresee
"rap" music?  What impact will "rap" have on music in the future?  Is it a
valid form of music, or only one ethnic group's means of self-expression in
the face of frustration?

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:02:31 -0400
From:         "Vincent P. Cocco" <cocco@CMPSCI.SUFFOLK.EDU>
Subject:      MIles
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I also could'nt stomach Bitches Brew at first.  I probably should'nt have made
that CD my first Miles CD;  I've ALWAYS heard good things about Kind of Blue.
"They" say Sketches of Spain is also a must have.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:22:56 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Lonnie Brooks
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It came to me: Bayou Lightning is the GOOD one.
Hot Shot ... is not so hot.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:18:42 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
              27 Jul 1992 14:09:28 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I can't remember what i traded for, but i can assure you whoever it is
they are not as talented as B.G. The way you said it fooling around
then boom he hits you is a very accurate description. I had the feeling
while watching him that he was just "toying" with us. Speaking of
"black-music"  I just read a B.B. King interveiw where he said sometimes
he will go backstage and cry because there was not enough blacks in the
audience and he gets the feeling that they don't appreciate the music
and give it the respect it deserves. Pop Staples deserves your
tribute and after re-listening to B.B. i got to say he's got some-kinda
feeling.
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