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From: merkel@convex.com (Kent Merkel)
Subject: Janiel SP2000B
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:11:46 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I recently acquired on of these units and I am unclear as to what the
input is. It appears to be a baseband signal that has had no processing
at all. Unfortunately , the receiver I am using has a tunable system that
will output one audio channel at a time, (that is Left, Right, Mono or
any other that falls into the range of 5.0 to 8 mhz. I am assuming that I
need to get into the stream somewhere ahead of this tunable detector.
My receiver is a simple PANSAT BR1000+. Does anybody have any ideas
or experience with this receiver or know where I can obtain a schematic.
Also, was anyone successful in obtaining a schematic of the Janeil. I seem
to remember some discussion about it here several months ago but never saw
the outcome if any.
Thanks
Kent
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From: mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Holtz)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite,rec.arts.tv
Subject: How *I* would televise the olympics
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:01:10 GMT
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

Well folks, according to a post in rec.video.satellite, (which was,
in turn, obtained from Entertainment Tonight), NBC lost over $100
Million on the Olympic Triplecast. (Four subscribers in
Indianapolis are suing their cable companies because they couldn't
get the Weather Radar channel due to the Triplecast (Source: Paul
Harvey News and Comment) ).

IMHO: The way the olymics are presently telecast is antiquated. We
have multiple events taking place at the same time, many of them
popular, that the network can only give scant coverage.

In the United States, we have three networks, several good cable
channels (WTBS, TNT, ESPN, and such) that they could auction off
the rights to telecast from each venue. Sure, we'll have
commercials, but we'll get more coverage than from the $125
"Triplecast".

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From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Statement about how TV network affiliates should be ITC; was "RE: Red Dwarf..."
Summary: Pressure from affiliates for scrampling
Keywords: scrambling, networks, feeds
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:34:14 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <h6!n#jm@lynx.unm.edu> roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers) writes:
>In article <yN7mPB6w165w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>>
>>IMNSFHO, PBS station affiliates should never be scrambled.  Nor
>>should any "normal" network, i.e. FOX, NBC, PBS, CBS, ABC, which
>>considers itself "free" for that matter.
>
>If these networks had a choice (the Denver 5, PT 24, etc. even stations
>like WGN and WWOR and TBS) they would be ITC.  The reason they are not:
>some company is uplinking them on satellite for MONEY and PROFIT.  
>
>I do believe there is a FCC rule saying that stations cannot uplink
>themselves, therefore you don't see a lot of networks on satellite
>TV that are ITC (Networks = superstations, affiliates, and the like
>in this case).
>
>Robert
>roberts@triton.unm.edu

Both CBS and ABC claim their scrambling is done at the request of 
their affiliates.  Presumably, this is to prevent TVRO viewers from
selecting network feeds in place of their local affiliates, thus 
reducing potential local advertising revenue.  From the networks'
standpoint their customers are not viewers, but affiliates.

In fact, CBS feeds are frequently ITC on T-1 and T-2.  ABC is seldom
in the clear except on G-6, a feed for Japanese television.  It's
my impression that ITC broadcasting occurs when one or more affiliates
has problems with their scrambling equipment, so it's unpredictable.

As I remember, NBC scrambled their east coast feed on F-1 (C-1) for a 
short time last year, but then reverted to ITC operation.  Their
feeds on K-2 have remained in the clear throughout the last several
years.  FOX continues to broadcast ITC on T-3 and G-3.  They rely
on a slate prior to network programming that discourages anyone but
FOX affiliates from watching. (Right.)

Does anyone know the story about NBC?  Do they have a public position
in regard to scrambling or are they simply keeping quiet to keep their
options open?

Steve
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:58:48 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: Observations -- and my opinions on CNN INTL on SBS-6
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Robert says regarding CNNI

>Based on the fact that this feed is different from the S3 feed, I
>think this feed will remain ITC.  I certainly hope so as it is
>neat to see how people in other countries get to see our CNN.
>Of all the CNN services, this one is definitely the best programming
>that I've seen.  It'd be a shame if this one scrambles up.

Robert, are you 100% positive that the feed on KU is different?  That would
mean TWO versions of CNNI.  I don't think they would do this.

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From: IEEE@UTFSM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: HELP NEEDED
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:15:03 GMT
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Hi..! i just signed on this list... but i don't know the purpose of it
Does this list teach how to BUILD a parabolic antenna ?
or just let know the best programs?
I'm so interested in get a satellital receiver antenna 'cause i live in
Chile , and we have a few channels (actually 4) . And would be very
interesting to have more !

So, please mail me , and let me know the list purpose ... bye!


              Francisco Javier Fernandez M
              IEEE@UTFSM.BITNET
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From: harry@cs.tu-berlin.de (Harald Brinkmann)
Subject: MAC!
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:41:48 GMT

Hello World!

Just a few(?) thoughts about D2MAC and B-MAC. I don't know of how much
interest these will be to the satellite watching audience, as we
normally don't have a choice about the system used by broadcasters.

About half a year ago I bought my first (and to date only) D2MAC
receiver. With all the advantages put aside, I was disappointed about
how easily it looses synch. Once it found the signal, if I then
reduced the signal strength (by putting my hand over part of the feed)
the decoder would loose reception with relatively few sprklies on the
screen. A PAL signal of this strength would have been perfectly
watchable. (It has to be said though, that because of the smaller
deemphasis, sparklies that do appear are much smaller than on PAL
signals, and therefore less noticeable.) Also annoying is the fact
that the set would not FIND the sound at all on quite good signals,
sometime without any sparklies at all!

I also watch AFN-TV which arrives here by means of a B-MAC signal.
Recent heavy rainshowers have occasionally attenuated the signal to
the point where it was almost completetly gone. However the B-MAC
decoder did NOT loose the synchronization! Sparklies appeared in the
picture up to the point, where the picture was almost unvisible (and
I am talking heavy snowstorm here!) and the sound had very strange
interference, but the receiver synch was not lost. On the height of
the shower the decoder decided, that this was really too bad to watch
and displayed a black screen with a notice, that this signal was
temporarily interrupted. However the letter were changing with some
errors, meaning that although the picture was too bad to watch, the
receiver still could make some sense of the incoming signal! Quite a
difference to my D2MAC experience.

My thought was that this was a performance difference explained by my
receiver being a special offer at 300 DM (~200 US $) and AFN using a
professional receiver costing several thousands US $. But this was not
the reason. Another shower took place over the cable headend, where
they receive the German channel "Der KabelKanal" in D2MAC. And THEIR
receiver performed even worse than mine, fining the sound channel only
about a minute after the last sparkly was gone. (Mind you the pciture
quality is artrocious the rest of the time, too.)

My conclusions from all this: B-MAC performs much better with
below-threshold reception (probably due to the rather long 0101010...-
synch word broadcast in EVERY line, compared with the rather difficult
to find D2MAC-synch word). If you receive D2MAC signals you should
allow a bit of margin of those rainy days and it is probably not your
receiver's fault if you loose reception so quickly.

Any other thoughts on this (I am especially interested what other
D2MAC viewers think)?

  Harald
From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: VCII shutoff schedule announced
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 01:46:46 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

"Howard F. Speight Jr." <ACHS@ECUVM1.BITNET> writes:

> I've only had the system three weeks and I sure hated to start
> changing and upgrading.

All new IRDs with descrambler modules are sold with VideoCipher
II Plus, though I wouldn't be too surprised if VC II RS modules
are being put into some of them.  Anything on that one?

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From: klimasewski@fccvde.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Yellow Rain,Boresight
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 14 AUG 92 10:26:16    


Can someone with a Yellow Rain Decoder update us what is going on 
with the VC2plus?

                                         Ken


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From:         "MICHAEL KRAMER, TSUTC, (410) 830-2591" <E7L8KRA@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MOR Music TV

>There is a color bar and slate up right now (06:45 A.M. CST) on G5/10
>that says "MOR MUSIC TV". I tuned up and down between 5.00 and 8.00 - no
>audio. I don't see any mention of this in "ONSAT". Supposedly the
>shoppers channel should be here. Does anyone have any information ???

MOR Music TV is a shoppers type of catalog music store on satellite.  I did see
Shop at Home on G1 last week (Showtime was ITC last Friday morning for the
movie "Repossessed."  Just happened to run upon it.)  MOR has an 800 number to
call to use your VISA or MasterCard for ordering.

Another new service, Robert Smathers!

Michael Kramer
Towson State University
Video and Satellite Coordinator
E7L8KRA@TOE.TOWSON.EDU
E7L8KRA@TOWSONVX
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:58:14 EDT
From:         "Howard F. Speight Jr." <ACHS@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VCII shutoff schedule announced
              13 Aug 1992 22:49:18 GMT from <steveh@THOR.ISC-BR.COM>

Thanks for the reply Steve, it eases my mind. I was looking through my
documentation last night and I definitely have VCII+. I pressed setup on the
remote and darned if it doesn't read VCII RS on the setup screen, that eases
my mind too! I've only had the system three weeks and I sure hated to start
changing and upgrading. The picture is not what I expected though. I see
shadows (ghosts) and sparklies every now and then. When tuning to USA I must
manually adjust the skew to get it to come in at all. The other channels are
fine. When moving through the ARC I seem to see video then it goes away.
Playing with the skew can get video, but not viewable. There is clear
reception all the way through the ARC on most channels, but while changing
channels or birds sometimes I have to move up a channel and come back to get
the sound and/or a clear picture. The dealer seems to think everything is
kosher, but it irritates me to no end. After reading through the documentation
I believe the problem may be the LNB is not on the polar axis properly? I
tried to pay as much attention to the installation as possible and I don't
recall the dealer adjusting anything outside as far as the relation between
the LNB and dish. I do recall the picture being tweaked inside using skew
(which according to the documentation should not be necessary if proper
alignment were done outside). I'm going to take some measurements and see if
anything looks out of place. The system is a 10ft Unimesh, 25 degree cal amp C
band, channel master feedhorn , RG6 cable (I plan to upgrade to KU later), and
a Uniden 4800S with SuperGuide subscription. My wife looks at me funny every
time I tell her I'm going to "experiment"! She tells me not to mess up her CMT
channel! Thanks Again....
Oh, the dealer set up the system using a TV outside viewing the bird lowest in
ARC and scanning up and down those channels, then went inside and tweaked using
the skew.

Howard F. Speight Jr.  Mainframe Consultant, PROFS/Usercode Administrator
East Carolina University, Computing & Information Systems
Austin 124 Greenville, North Carolina 27858    (919)757-6401
From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Re:Re The HomeSat Buyers Club!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:09:42 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <l8595sINNjba@spim.mips.com>, duncan@tecate.mips.com (Duncan Poole) writes:
> Seems to me that this is no worse than  the "*.forsale" groups.
> 
> In fact, it feels more like a public service.  
> 
> Usually "net abuse" charges can be avoided if it is clear there is
> no profit motive.  Competition is not an issue where there is no
> profit.
> 
> Go for it Vijay.
> 
> Dunc

    OK! Just hold on here! How did I miss the HomeSat buyers club!:->

                Well anyway, how can one sign up. 


                                                      -Mike
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From: mann@csd.uwo.ca (Robert Mann)
Subject: Re:     Re: some more observations
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:25:47 GMT

In article <9208121032.AA08085@lopez.marquette.MI.US> Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US> writes:
[bunch deleted]

>just not cutting it either.  When LVTN went away last night, the biggest
>benificiary was SATELLITE MARKET USA, boy did their signal improve when they
>had the whole dual transponder to themselves.
>
I wondered why their signal got so good.
Could someone explain this dual transponder thing to me?  The guy on SMU
mentioned something about it the other day but I didn't understand.  Are
two transponders sharing common electronics or something?  Thanks.

Rob

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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Subject: Re: Observations -- and my opinions on CNN INTL on SBS-6
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:40:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <9208181058.AA11818@lopez.marquette.MI.US> Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US> writes:
>Robert says regarding CNNI
>
>>Based on the fact that this feed is different from the S3 feed, I
>>think this feed will remain ITC.  I certainly hope so as it is
>
>Robert, are you 100% positive that the feed on KU is different?  That would
>mean TWO versions of CNNI.  I don't think they would do this.

Pretty sure!  When it came to convention coverage, both feeds were the
same but during non-convention coverage, there is a difference.

I took the S3/16 feed (no prg audio) and I make sure that TV ASAHI
(S3 Ku band with program audio) were the same feeds.  When I determined
that, I moved quickly over to SBS-6.  SBS-6 feed had different 
programming.  I've always noticed that TV ASAHI has been more like
CNN (they have Larry King, Showbiz, etc) and the SBS-6 feed in most
of my observations has had the "Headline News" format with news, f
followed by sports, weather, business (all international in nature;
not US like the CNN Headline News on G5/22).      

I feel that I am close to 100% positive (at least the non-convention
feeds prove it!)

Robert
roberts@triton.unm.edu

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From: etntl@hisoy0.etn.ericsson.se (Leikanger Torkel)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Echostar 6500
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:05:09 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS



Anyone out there having experience with the Echostar 6500 ??

I am planning to put together a system and while im in 
the middle of the hard process of choosing the right equipment
I would appreciate some opinions.

Torkel. --


Torkel Leikanger 
Ericsson Telecom a.s
Tangen Alle 39, P.O. Box 44
4817 His, Norway.

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From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Audio subcarriers for Star Trek
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:13:33 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:

> What are the audio subcarrier frequencies for the Star Trek: The Next
> Generation uplink sent on T301/09?
> 
> I think I remember seeing this:
> 
>        6.8 - Left
>        6.2 - Right
>        5.8 - Mono
> 
> Is this correct? Please confirm or correct. Thanks!

No, I don't think so.  I believe you have your left and right
subcarrier frequencies swapped.  Mono looks correct, though.
From: mganz@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: <None>
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:27:31 GMT

I want to thank this newsgroup for saving me time and frustration after I
switched from a 9 foot aluminum dish to a 10ft Weingard. Newsgroup members had
written about the problems with feedhorn settings for ku and sure enough,
the recommendations of Weingard - to set it at .36 was wrong. The signal on
all but K2 was awful, but a change to .32 brought the ku birds in clearly and
even cleared up awful reception on the C-band Canadian satellites. Their 
footprint has apparently been altered and southern Arizona is on the fringe.
Thanks to all who wrote and I hope this note helps others.
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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Subject: more observations from the shack
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:27:14 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na


O.k.  here we go, no more opinions...

CNN Headline News ITC all day on SBS6/6.  They are taking the
transponder that said "MCDTV Net" yesterday.  SBS6/4 has "MCD -
Counter".  I found out tonight from a caller to Gary Bourgois' 
Friday Night Live (Friday nights at 9 pm ET on LTR, S3R/21 @ 6.20)
that MCD stands for Mcdonalds.  It looks like Turner is setting
up a TV service for Mcdonalds.  BTW, from what the caller said,
it is just being tested.  I can see it now:  Grab a 'Mac at Mcdonalds
watching CNN Headline News and then go to the nearby workout center
and watch THE FITNESS CHANNEL.

G1R launch is being attempted again tonight.  Live video on G6/13.  It
was at the +5 minute mark and holding while waiting for the weather to
clear up.  I left the feed to watch Gary's show.  I don't know the status,
but I can assume it has been scrubbed if I don't see a feed tomorrow.

TNT has pulled their famous Pre-Season football stunt again tonight,
proving that If you don't have Ku band, you are missing too many 
things.  TNT game (Chargers/49ers) is LEITCH encrypted on S3(C)/20
(normally the transponder Sportsouth and TBS use for sports
backhauls, especially baseball).  The Ku band part:  The game is ITC
on SBS6/8.  

The other night, I caught a baseball feed on SBS5.  It was a game
between the Senators and the Phillies.  It has been a long time
since I've seen that matchup.  But this is not the major league
matchup.  It is a minor league game (Reading Phillies, if I remember
right it is a AA Eastern league contest).  We all can dream...

More to come...

Robert
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:29:55 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject: Re: "Artifacts" uncovered by archaeologists on satellite dig...
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> RE: Sci Fi Channel -
> The last I heard it was owned by USA. Does that mean commercials and
> endless lower right hand logos? Boy, I hope not (but USA may not be
> aware that us SciFi people can be VERY vocal when we don't like something
> :-)

It definately DOES mean commercials and LOTS of them.  Logos too I am sure.

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From: fergal@quay.ie
Subject: DIY D2-MAC ?  DIY IF Splitter Circuit ?
Summary: Wanted info on modifying BSB (dsb) rec.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:24:40 GMT
Organization: Quay Financial Software
Keywords: D2MAC, satellite


Hello,
Does anyone have any info on modifying the old almost obsolete BSB receivers
to:
	- tune (instead of fixed channels)
	- to D2MAC (Some makes at least have the 2280 chip and not the 2270)
          and modifying the internal program (in EPROM?) should be possible.

Has anyone tried this themselves? Any success ?

I know there is one company in the UK providing upgrading but only for some
makes of receivers.

Also has anyone got a circuit to make an IF splitter with a DC block on one 
output?

Thanks for the Help.
Fergal O'Sullivan (Email: fergal@quay.ie)
Quay Financial Software, Dublin. Ireland.

PS: I'm new to rec.video.satellite (changed jobs).

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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Mac TV?
Organization: DSC
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:02:43 GMT

In article <david.hoisve.46.714250545@uuserv.cc.utah.edu>, david.hoisve@uuserv.cc.utah.edu writes:
> 
> Does anyone have the sat, transponder and time for Mac TV?  I think it was 
> G6 22, but do not remember the time.

G6/22 at 7 am CDT  (8 am EDT, 5 am PDT)

> 
> I have the schedule from Mac connection.  If anyone is interested, I'll post 
> it to the net.
> 
> -- Dave.
> 
> 
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From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Re: SPICE Questions...
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:26:52 GMT

David

standard disclaimers, you've all heard them before


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