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From: quandt@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Subject: Re: Samurai Pizza Cats
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:08:52 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

I am part of a company that is developing software for people 
involved in animation, i.e., professional animators (computer based)
and amateurs.  Without saying too much, the product will be a companion 
product to products like (found on the amiga computer) dpaint (anim files)
lightwave, real3d, etc.  Simply put, the pruduct will greatly improve
the problem associated with single frame recording animation to tape.

The product that we are developing has a rough pricing of $1000 US.  Our 
preferred target market is the professional animator, however, at a $1000
it's possible that amateurs may also be interested.

What we need is information about people that we intend to market
to.  Any information would be helpful, especially references to magazines, 
and articles that can back up particular claims.

Here's a brief list of the kind of information we are looking for:
(the purpose of all this is the development of business plan)
	- How big is the market, i.e., how many people do animation?
	- How many are professional and how many amateurs?  Are there
		any other ways to seperate the different markets?
	- What platforms are people using to develop animations? 
		Unix (which hardware, I bet Sun), amiga, PC, etc.
	- What kind of budgets do professional animators have?  
	- What is the total US budget for animators?
	- What can be said of the capital acquisition for animation
		studios?  What is it like?
	- What methods of advertisment are most effective towards
		animators?
	- What magazines are read by animators?  That is where should
		magazine advertisment dollars be spent?
	- What generally could be said about animation studios?  Are
		they grey suit or blue jean type companies? 
	- What resources contains information that can answer many 
		of the above questions?  Any professional research
		firms anyone recommends?
	- How big of problem is it to single frame record animation
		to tape?


				Brian Quandt
				quandt@cs.umr.edu

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From: quenelle@netcom.com (Chris Quenelle)
Subject: want to borrow Batman eps in S.F. Bay Area
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 19:22:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

I was wondering if anyone in the Bay area had taped the Man-Bat episode
or part two of the Catwoman story, from the Batman Animated Series.

Man-Bat was Sunday Night (9/6) and Part 2 of Catwoman was this morning 
(Saturday Morning 9/12).

I'd like to borrow those two episodes for a day or two.

I'd be willing to pick-up and deliver anywhere in the San Fransisco area.

I set the distribution on this article to 'ba'.  So I hope it works.

Thanks,

--chris
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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Child Endangermet and a crummy keyboard
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:35:07 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Sep8.202904.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>I've seen something on the animation area every now and then about a "child
>endangerment" caluse (clasue, arrrgh clause) clause preventing certain stories
>from airing in animation.  This is run by "standards and Practices?"  What is
>thjis?  And how can things like Robotech (with scenes of 2 year-olds being
>blasted in to obiluivion) still be shown every k// now ans then if these shows
>cant endanger children?

I don't know if this is the reason, but it's a guess: ACT (Action for
Children's Television) had a set of guidelines for televised cartoons.
An example: no character could use bladed weapons on another character.
That's why the Ninja Turtles only use their sharp weapons indirectly (such
as cutting a chandelier so it'd fall on a Shredder-minion, instead of, say,
goring him.)

Now, ACT had no real legal clout - but they made a lot of noise, and their
approval could make or break a cartoon, in terms of selling it to a network
or a TV station.  This "child endangerment" thing sounds like one of their
rules.  Sorry, guidelines.

Incidentally, ACT is disbanding real soon now, if they already haven't.
Following in their footsteps is the Campaign for Kids' TV, based in
Maryland.

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Batman (9/7) -- what's the deal?
Keywords: pre-empted
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:27:49 GMT

Not to mention those of us in Central Ohio who could care less about the Reds.
     Dave Van Domelen, "September 7...a day that will live in infamy." G.Bush
From: jeffa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Alley)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:38:11 GMT
Subject: Animation Drawings for sale
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation

	I have two Tom, from Tom and Jerry, drawings that I would like
	to sell. I purchased these drawings from a gentleman in Denver
	a few months ago along with an animation cel. He had the drawings
	in his possession for 6 - 7 years and he purchased them at an
	auction of furnishings for a professional office building that
	went bankrupt. They were hanging on the wall there for quite some
	time. They were matted and framed together, but I have removed
	the mats and frame so I could examine the drawings.

	I have talked to a couple of people who are serious animation
	buffs and had them help me to identify the cels based on style
	of the drawings and plots of animation features. The drawings
	have been identified as being from "The Lonesome Mouse" released 
	22 May 1943.

        The 2 animation drawings are very nearly in sequence : Numbers 146
	and 150.  Both are a full figure Tom. He is outstretched near the
        floor putting a large tomato under a rug.  #150 is signed "Francis".
	The paper size is 12 1/2" x 10 1/2" and the drawings measure 
	6 1/2" x 4".  The paper is watermarked "Management Bond
			                        Hammermill Product"
        There are 2 rectangular registration holes with a circular one in
	between them.

	I originally posted them for sale at $115.00 each. I'll lower
	the price to $95.00 each plus shipping. If they don't sell at 
	this price I'll just keep them.


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Batman: Animated Series
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:05:28 GMT

>2) I think it's a little early to be saying that Batman marks a new rebirth
>for American animation, because I believe a majority of the actual animation
>is done in Japanese studios?  (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.)
>The way I understand it, the art direction and character design are done by
>the studio that is handling the series, and then the scripts are sent to the
>foreign studios?  Are key drawings done by the US company or by the foreign
>artists?  Is the Ink and Paint for TV animation similar to comic book
>inking?  That is, can an Ink & Paint artist change the look of the pencil
>drawings or are they under more pressure to keep the art consistent with the
>pencil work?
>
Note that I did hedge on that one, saying it was the best "American Market" 
stuff in some time.  I know the animation is done in Japan, but the series was 
produced specifically for US consumption.  Most animation produced for US 
consumption is pretty bad (Pound Puppies, etc) on plot and drawing, or is very 
obviously US-Market anime (Galaxy Rangers, Transformers, etc).  Batman has a 
very American feel to the animation (Fleischer-ish) and has good stories as 
well.  Hence, it is good US-market animation.

>3) Also, is there any American animated TV series that is produced completely
>in the US?

In this day and age of multinational corporations, I seriously doubt that much 
of anything is produced completely in one country.  In any case, in-betweening 
costs are too high here for any TV cartoon to be  produced entirely here.  
Movies, yes, but not TV in most cases.
     Dave Van Domelen, has seen the Super Dave cartoon and decided that Fuji 
has got to be the least flattering Japanese stereotype in animation since WWII
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Batman-- animation
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:10:01 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep10.194540.10241@newshost.unh.edu>, tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>   Why are they using a different animation company for every episode of
> Batman?

That's how they manage to crank out 65 episodes on one season.  I believe
it's 4-5 companies, we've seen each one once or twice:
Sunrise on "The Cat and the Claw"
Spectrum on "On Leather Wings" and "Heart of Ice"
AKOM on "Feat of Clay, pt. I"
TMS on "Feat of Clay, pt. II"
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Batman: TAS comicbook
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:07:10
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: rglass@pcs.cnu.edu's message of Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:18 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:18 GMT, rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass`) said:

rglass> To those interested, this Friday (Sept.11) the Batman:Adventures
rglass> comicbook will debut in comicstores around the country.
rglass> This comic is based from the Batman animated series. 
rglass> Batman Adventures #1 is from DC comics.  This issue (monthly) will
rglass> feature a story on the Penguin. Check it out.  The artwork is just
rglass> like the show.

I got my copy yesterday... The animation dosen't come across very well
in the comic like it does in the show. You may want to flip through it
before you buy it...

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: Blitz Wolf censored
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:04:28 GMT

In article <rdippold.715989492@cancun>, 
rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

> Anyhow, one of the cartoons is "Blitz Wolf" by Tex Avery.  At the very
> end we get a "The End (of Adolf)" shot - and there's something written
> below that, but it's wiped out with a black bar!  The bar moves quite
> a bit, and you can see the top and bottom of some words peeking out,
> but not enough for me to make out anything.  Does anyone know what
> went here?  It looks like it was done a while ago, not added by the
> company that collected the cartoons.

I looked at my copy of "Blitz Wolf" on "All this and Tex Avery Too".
The final shot ("The End" picture) has an add to support the war (WWII)
effort. It says

"If you'll buy a stamp or bond
 We'll skin that skunk across the pond"

This kind of message is not unusual to be put into cartoons and films
of that era. What puzzles me is why someone would censor it out. Perhaps
they're worried about hords of people racing out to buy bonds that
are no longer issued? :)

Robert Corns                 rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca      Dept of Physics
Saint Mary's Physics          Halifax          Nova Scotia     Canada
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Stupidity reigns in Denver (WRT Saturday Morning)
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:45:20 GMT
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.

In article <Sep11.164948.78097@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> dzubera@CS.ColoState.EDU (Zube) writes:
:[Under the heading of "Can you believe this?"]
:
:KABC, the ABC affiliate out here, has decided to take two hours of 
:prime time saturday morning cartoon viewing and replace it with two
:hours of news.

Well, here in Columbus Oh the NBC _AND_ CBS affiliates have replaced
the ENTIRE Sat morning lineup with news.  Like we really need Headline
News, CNN, and two LOCAL groups of newsreaders.  Oh - and our ABC station
only appears to show ABC stuff to about 11am.

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From: melvin@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Lee Melvin)
Subject: Re: batman
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:15:54 GMT

In article <SS.92Sep6195238@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

->tcw>  Hopefully they'll use other villains aside from The Joker,
->tcw> The Penguin, and Catwoman who were in the two movies (how about
->tcw> the Riddler?).

I just picked up a set of Batman cards from the local comics store for
my girlfriend (they _are_ well done, except the copyright on the back
of each and every card...).  The cards depict Mr. Freeze, The Joker
(of course), Penguin, The Riddler, Robin, Catwoman, some woman named
'Summer' that I don't recognize, Batman (duh), Two-Face, Alfred, Commissioner
Gordon, and two others I forget at the moment.  The Man-Bat and Red
Claw are _not_ depicted...

As for my feelings towards the show, I was stunned.  I will be taping 
every episode of this that comes out.  If it came on at the same time
as ST:TNG I would buy another VCR (I'm not kidding).  Please note that
I'm not an analyst, and I'm not making any attempt to objectively
judge the show.  I was just impressed by the clean art style of the
animation, and the (relative) maturity of the two storylines I've
seen so far.  My only (very minor) complaint so far is that some of
Batman/Bruce Wayne's dialog has been a bit trite (although I don't
share the opinion that the voice is bad).

Not everyone will like it, but you should watch it at least once.

No doubt the producers will make a lot of money of this; lets hope they
don't forget to keep the quality in.

--
"I would gladly risk feeling bad at times, if it also meant that I could 
	taste my dessert."  -- Lt. Commander Data, ST:TNG
 \  Lee Melvin        CGD/NCAR          (Weather freaks on the Flatirons)  /
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Friday's "Batman"
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:12:03 GMT

ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity) writes:
>>>Ah.  Quality, as usual.  The Joker was good and menacing.  I was not
>>>disappointed.  The stupified tone of "I cussed out the Joker" was darn
>>>near perfect.

>Mark Hammil's portrayal of the Joker was outstanding, but IMHO, it
>was the only good thing about the episode.  The music played over the
>title, the animation...  all were not up to the same level as the rest
>of the series so far.  Was I the

I thought the animation involving the pudgy dude was good, and the
dialogue was excellent, but the plot had an incredible number of
big problems.

What the hell was Batman doing in Gordon's office?  Does he sneak in
just to say nothing important and then practice his stealth exits?

The museum built a complete replica of the temple - including darts
with poison on them (which Batman can somehow dodge in the dozens), a
floor trap with deadly spikes beneath it, and flame throwers?
Riiight... 

Pudgy just packed up and moved and changed his complete identity?
Without involving law enforcement?  Riiight... Bet that was a doozy of
an explaination he gave his family.

Pudgy barely stopped before smashing into the joker.  First, I don't
think the Joker has a death wish that involves a traffic collision
with a nobody - would he really put himself in a no-gain situation
where his survival depended on the vision and reflexes of someone like
Pudgy?  Second, why did Pudgy stop?  In that situation I would have
hit the accelerator.

There were others, but that's enough bitching for now.
-- 
Given my druthers, I'd druther not.
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From: rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: Disney's ANIMATION STUDIO for the IBM
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:27:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.181039.8080@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, 
bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
> 	I own a Canon IBM PC compatible computer with VGA/MCGA capabilities,
> and I have been looking at the $80-odd "Disney's Animation Studio" software.
> Since it would require, for my PC, a RAM upgrade (about 120-150 dollars) in
> addition to the software (80-100 dollars), I was wondering if anyone out there
> has actually used the software and, if so, what you think of it.
> 
> 							-MetalMaster

I have the Amiga version of DAS and in my view, I cannot recommend
it. The only decent feature is the "onionskin" effect which is like
drawing on a stack of papers. You can see the drawings from the lower
pages and you can use these for reference to your current drawing.

There are numerous things I don't like. The painting program is barely
functional and the magnifaction mode splits the screen as a top and
bottom. It will toggle which side is the magnified picture depending
on whether you're working on the top half or bottom half of the drawing.
What gets annoying is if you want to work at the middle. As you scroll
around, the magnified/unmagnified halfs may flip around on you suddenly as
cross over the boundary or back again. I also think the file loading subroutines
are brain dead. It tries to load in all the files in a directory, even
though you may have only wanted the one you selected. Very aggravating
(but it can also be useful if that is what you wanted to do).

Anyways, I can't say if the IBM version is as poorly done, but why
take chances. Perhaps you can test drive it first out at your dealer's?

Robert Corns            rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca         Dept of Physics
Saint Mary's University          Halifax          Nova Scotia     Canada
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: When does the X-Men cartoon start?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:30:45 GMT

also according to USA Today (9/10/92) in the kids entertainment feature they
showed X-Men beginning Oct 10.  (one more month to go for Marvel Zombies)

-- 
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Dark Water has gone downhill
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:08:10 GMT

mfrose@ais.org (Martin Rose) writes:
>Unfortunately, they did this because there is no mystery to keep.  Dark
>Water will not be returning for ABC's next season.
>-- 

Did they ever end the show?  I think I got to see Ren recover 7 jewels.  I
know there were times I was out of town and missed the episode, but I just
assumed I'd catch it in a rerun?  Did they really end?  If so, can anyone
tell me how it ended?
	Mystic

(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: BATMAN: "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:26:56 GMT

In article <nudnik.716044801@camelot>, nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks) writes:
> 
> I've noted that a few others are complaining that BAS, which so far
> has only aired 4 episodes, is unrealistic or cashing in on the movies'
> successes.
> Folks, this is a _cartoon_ we're talking about.  And remember:  this
> _cartoon_ is based on a _comic book_, not reality.

So?  Why should cartoons and comics be exempt from good writing?
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BATMAN: TAS
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:54:03 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Damn good cartoon.  The art is a hybrid of Max Fleisher and Chester 
Gould.  Very artsy but extremely effective.  

Finally, a cartoon that doesn't talk down to you (and the only cartoon 
that I can recall in which a character says "My God").


                               - Sasha



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From: dzubera@CS.ColoState.EDU (Zube)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Stupidity reigns in Denver (WRT Saturday Morning)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:49:48 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

[Under the heading of "Can you believe this?"]

KABC, the ABC affiliate out here, has decided to take two hours of 
prime time saturday morning cartoon viewing and replace it with two
hours of news.

According to one of the programming drones at the station, it was an
"upper management decision."  Their reasoning was that there was too long
a time between the Friday night news and their next newscast (sometime early
evening Saturday, I think).

Does the following make any sense to anyone?

They show 1 hour from 6-7 (Winnie the Pooh and Land of the Lost).
Then, they blow away the middle two hours, including shows which
are debuting on Saturday morning this week (Goof Troop, Adams Family).
At 9, they show the Bugs and Tweety show, and then reruns of
A Pup Named Scooby Doo.

Now, I am certainly not an expert, but this seems ludicrous.  NBC has
already given up the cartoon game (with good reason; their cartoons
were terrible) and decided to run news/Today saturday (or whatever its
called).  Fine.  NBC has made a clear statement: we can't win the cartoon 
game; if you want news on saturday morning, watch NBC;  if you have kids, or
appreciate cartoons :), try another station.

But KABC is sending a mixed and very stupid message:  If you are up really
early, here are some cartoons; later we'll have two hours of news, and then
some more cartoons ["So stay tuned everyone."].  It's the equivalent of
a four hour radio show with music on either end and two hours of talk in
the middle.  What is their target audience?  (ages 5-14 from 6-7am , 9-11am and
ages 25-55, 7-9am ?????)  Will the child who has just watched an hour of
Pooh/LOTL stay on the channel for 2 hours waiting for Bugs and Tweety??

And what motivation does anyone have for watching it in the first place, when
news/information will be on all morning on NBC, not just from 7-9.

Am I the only one confused here?  Does this make any sense?

Thanks for letting me vent my spleen.  Any comments are appreciated.
 
-- 
Zube
system grunt / grad student
Zube@oldfield.cs.colostate.edu
dzubera@lamar.colostate.edu
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