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From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Butts endorces RON DANIELS
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:58:00 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american


              BUTTS BACKS AN EDUCATOR FOR PRESIDENT
                          by Ian Fisher
             from the New York Times. July 20, 1992
                            *********

     The Rev. Calvin O. Butts 3rd, the pastor of the Abyssinian
Baptist Church in Harlem who came under fire from black leaders
for his support for Ross Perot, said yesterday that he new was
endorsing another independent candidate, Ron D. Daniels, an
educator who Mr. Butts said could not win the presidency.
     While he continued to attack the Democrats record with
blacks, he said the "practical choice" for President, with Mr.
Perot out of the race, was Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas.
     "The two best reasons for voting for Bill Clinton and Al
Gore are George Bush and Dan Quayle," he said in an interview at
his church office. "I believe that's where the majority of the
African-American vote will have to go. Unfortunately it will be
because many people just feel that's the only place they have to
go."
     Mr. Butts comments carried a softer edge than remarks he
made on the WNBC-TV new program, "News Forum", which was taped on
Friday morning. In that interview, he said he was not likely to
endorse Mr. Clinton, even as "the lesser of two evils".

                     'Taken Us for Granted'

     "I don't believe that Bill Clinton is going to be any better
than George Bush," he said. "We all know that Bill Clinton was
raised up by the Democratic Party, an elitist part of that party,
to be the conservative Democratic answer to George Bush."
     He also said: "The Republicans have ignored the people of
African descent. The Democrats have taken us for granted."
     In his remarks yesterday, Mr. Butts said his endorsement of
Mr. Daniels, a former executive director of the Rainbow
Coalition, was consistent with his support of Mr. Perot. He said
his primary interest was in building a third, independent party
that would represent a broader range of interests that the
Democrats or Republicans.
     "The only reason, the primary reason I should say, I
supported Perot is because I believe in an independent political
movement," he said. "And I believed Perot was at least serious
about making a change."
     For the week before Mr. Perot dropped out of the race, Mr.
Butts served as co-chairman of his New York campaign.
                           **********
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect for Jesse Jackson
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:18:18 GMT

In article <92209.045546FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:
>
>The same holds true for DC.  But I agree w/ you on economic empowerment.
>But we should have to both.  But, as you say in your article, political
>power does follow economic power.  We have to provide a respectable economic
>front which folx cannot avoid if they want our spt in politics.  How do we
>go about this?  That's the $64 G question.

	Actually, I don't see how you can separate the two.
	Absence of one is bound to spell absence of the other.

	The REAL question is probably how to achieve both.

					Gerard Vignes


-- 

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                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Sir Charles
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:02:46 GMT


	Greetings,

	Who cares how he plays as long as we bring home the gold. hehe
 Just kidding or am I. The man is a pro. He dosen`t get paid to be nice 
 but to win. This is the US were winning is all that matters.

		To quote Charles, "take your ass whipping and go home"..

		Carter


  "i done toured europe, been all around the world."                        
                              body count
--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net 
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From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: WC Franklin Bashing -- Let's Move On!
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.184201.57446@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>   This entire thread really encapsulates many of the problems
>this culture now experiences with racial relations. I will try
>to summarize what I mean:
>
>1. William Carter Franklin (WCF) continually gets bogged down in
>   the semantics of the discussion. Why do so many people worry
>   so much about how someone sounds, or the exact usage of a
>   particular word? The important thing is what's the message, right?
>   Well then William give people a break, maybe they aren't
>   trying to stereotype every individual but rather are speaking
>   in general terms.
>
>2. Some folks spend so much time reacting they never DO anything.
>   Well William stop telling us how bad we are for stereotyping
>   people and go out and do something constuctive. Telling
>   us how bad we are is certainly not constructive.

This is exactly the point.  Be responsible for your own community, not
someone elses.

>
>3. MMoore and Mr. Watts and others have allowed themselves to 
>   get off the subject. We should stop rising to the bait of people
>   like WCF and instead redirect the discussion to the racial 
>   inequities that continue daily. Name calling doesn't get us
>   anywhere. As a start I wonder if Mr. Moore or Mr. Watts can
>   identify acts that WCF should see regularly that have a racial
>   basis. By identifying racism that WCF can see we might make
>   him more aware that it is occurring, is even rampant, today.
>
The problem is that he steadfastly refuses to see the racism that
occurs everyday around him.  When given 25 concrete examples he
performs gold medal quality mental gymnastics to rationalize them
away. Unfortunately, you can't open anyones mind if they are not
willing, you can only bash open their head.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>   In general we need to stop talking past each other and listen. Don't
>get bogged down in name calling at the very least. William please
>listen to the pain and desire for change coming from these voices.
>
Well, I can't claim to be suffering from the pain of racism, unless
empathy counts. I do however have a strong desire for change, and
since I believe you have to change the group your part of first, I
can't let William's ignorance pass unchallenged.

>   All you Franklin bashers, how about turning this discussion toward
>a constructive note.
>
Actually, I have found Malcolm and Christopher's replies informative,
but trying to reason with an unreasonable person can be very
frustrating.  I believe that Franklin could learn something here, but
he seems to be running his keyboard for egotistical rather than
educational purposes.


Warren Watts
From: china@cqs.washington.edu (Peter Westhagen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:32:34 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

william carter franklin writes:

 I care. But "man" refers to person, and usually I catch myself and
 say "man or woman" but that becomes tiresome when you do as much
 typing and arguing as I do in one day. Please believe that I am the last
 person to assume or stereotype. I did NOT assume that it had to be a man
 driving that car. "Man" is what God created in his own image and he
 made some of us female and some of us male.

 And yes you were saying that was a white person listening to Debussy.
 Right? Repost PLEASE the exact paragraph with full context if necessary.
 I want to be fair about this. 

Here's the origional post:

|But I know what your sayin' also, what your were saying was it's pathetic
|to hear whites talk about being the *victims* of racism, as if they
|knew and understood.  Right?  Be like hearing a rich person ramble on with
|so much feigned compassion on the sad state of the inner cities;  rambling
|on through a cellular phone, driving in a mercedes with the windows rolled
|up, AC on, listening to Debussey on their Blaupunkt quad stereo system.

Read *carefully*...
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   Peter Nicholas Westhagen  china@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu  respect/listen
   "Just because you win the fight don't make you right" - Funkadelic (PBUT)
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From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: 7 LAWS OF SUCCESS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jul 1992 08:08 EDT  

7 LAWS OF SUCCESS


1ST.                            Fix the right goal.

VITAL 2ND.(in time sequence)    Education.

BASIC 3RD.(in time order)       Good health.

ALL-IMPORTANT 4TH.              Drive

5TH.                            Resourcefulness

6TH.                            Perseverance (stick-to-it-iveness).

ALL-IMPORTANT, 7TH.             Help from GOD.
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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:03:25 GMT

In article <pJP-S7A@engin.umich.edu> dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E
Merlette) writes:

>In article <45100@teda.Teradyne.COM>
>dll@teda.Teradyne.COM (Dan Liddell) writes:
>
>>[stuff about Spike's movie deleted]
>
>Apparently a select group did at least get to read the script.
>I don't know who else, but Amiri Baraka was among them. I saw
>him speak earlier this week and he had negative things to say
>about the film. According to him, the main reason Spike Lee ran
>over-budget was because he had gotten such negative feedback that 
>he tried to re-do the film. Baraka said he hadn't seen the revised
>script so perhaps the final version will be better.
>
>According to Baraka, the movie heavily implicates Elijah Muhammed
>in the death of Malcolm X, which in his words "is not only stupid, but
>dangerous."
>

I know I'm chimin in late on this, but if anyone knows stupid and
dangerous, it would be the former LeRoi Jones.

He popped up again coupla weeks ago on public radio, dancin on Dr. King's
cold, dead body.  "He [King] was preaching about how we were supposed to
turn the other cheek.  But what did that ever do for the people in the
north?" -- meaning Newark, where it's the 25th "anniversary celebration"
of that city's destructive riots.

My god, Jones, let it rest.  Wuppin people upside the head sure has
a nice, glorious, progressive legacy don't it?  But you probably also
don't believe that little bit about the one who lives by the sword,
either.

I know Spike is a little prone to favor cleansing violence, too, but
he really needs to be protected from knuckleheads like Jones and the
"dangerous" folks for whom he speaks.


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us)
Evanston, Illinois        
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From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: SAVE YOURSELF FROM DUMBTH
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:52 EDT  

How to save ourselves from "DUMBTH".

20 ways to make yourself smarter.


 1.  Beware of rushing to judgement.
 2.  Develop the old-fashion virtue of humility.
 3.  Watch less commercial TV.
 4.  Visit museums.
 5.  Take a speed reading course.
 6.  Develop the habit of taking notes.
 7.  Depend on your dictionary.
 8.  Keep a daily journal or diary.
 9.  Become actively interested in others.
10.  Rethink your religion.
11.  Spend time with people more knowledgeable than yourself.
12.  Avoid wasting time.
13.  Make frequent use of maps.
14.  Familiarize yourself with commonly accepted views of the  universe.  
15.  Don't be afraid to change your mind.
16.  Remember that no two things are the same.
17.  Remember that no  one thing remains the same for very long.
18.  Don't kid yourself.
19.  Read the classics.
20.  Don't marry your ideas.

                                          --Steve Allen
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Re New Generations of Conservatism-Welfare Myths
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:07:23 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <92211.042237FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Ok.  Here we go on schooling the ignorant again.  In article
><cbc1.712393335@Ra.MsState.edu> Chris Carey writes:

>> Where in the article that you posted, does the Black show up?  I'm tired
>> of YOU PEOPLE taking the anything that relates to welfare, and
>> automatically assuming that it only means blacks and other minorities.
>> I, for one, saw no mention of any minorities in your original post of the
>> article.  Where is it???  Despite that, I'll aks what rights this
>> violates.??

>I'll go very slow so that even you can understand this.  One, it violations
>a person right to privacy.  Different from jobs where the public trust must
>be entrusted (ie: transportation, surgical doctors, military, etc), private
>citizens should not be subjected to big-brother tactics; or would you
>suggest that the bills of rights (and any other fundamental constitutional
>rights ALL US citizens are entitled to) are null and void for welfare
>recipients.

I would suggest that anything that we can legally pay someone to do
(and we can pay someone to give us a blood sample) we can demand a
person on welfare do in return for his/her check.  That includes
forfeiture of certain rights.

>>> Three, the cost.  The author admittedthere was no study doene on the cost
>>> of rehab and conducting the drug tests.  Right now, Pa is in somewhat of
>>> a fiscal crisis.  Philadelphia almost went bankrupt and the city is
>>> having problems meeting its yearly budget.  Since the state has
>>> tightened its purse strings, I have no idea where the money is going to
>>> come from to cover the drug test.  It doesn't look like it will.

>> Well, they could take the money they aren't paying the druggie, and use it
>> to test more people.

>Think again.  1st, welfare officials haven't even determined how
>many recipients are on drugs.  If it turns out that most welfare recipients
>aren't on  drugs, then what?  The program would be in red, and tax payers will
>have to foot the bill.  Wrong answer.

If most aren't on drugs then there won't be many to rehab so it won't
be a problem.  Keep your arguments straight.

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From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:43:46 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

In article <1992Jul27.101759.10830@news.cs.indiana.edu> ejohnson@graph.. (Liz Johnson) writes:
>Agreed. Women have some of the same concerns -- which is why NOW proposed  
>starting a new political party. But I guess my question was trying to get  
>more specifics on what the Democrats should do to represent "the best  
>interests of the minorities." 

	While a third (or even fourth :-) party might be appealing,
	we do not have the kind of political system (parliamentarian)
	which would allow additional parties to be properly represented.

	We have, and probably always will have, two big parties
	competing for large blocks of voters, with an occasional
	independent appearing, just to keep things honest.

>Let me ask it another way -- if you could have a political party that  
>represented your views about what America should be, what would that  
>party's platform be?  I think that if change is to come in this country,  
>this question is an important one for all of us. If we just keep reacting  
>to what is offered to us, but have no vision as to what should be, then  
>things will never change.

	OK, Liz, but I would like to see only two major parties,
	with a healthy assortment of smaller parties (like Greenpeace)
	to keep important issues alive in the primaries and local elections.

	I would also like to see both major parties representing
	a more reasonable cross-section of American society,
	differing at most on APPROACHES to solving our problems
	and plotting a course for the future.

	I hope that both would have essentially the same goals,
	and that has, I believe, been largely the case.
	The only important exception I can think of,
	was the Radical Republican vs. Southern Democrat rift
	which resulted in the Civil War.

	I do not think it is healthy to have
	one party representing Black Americans
	and another representing White Americans.
	In Abraham Lincoln's own words,
	"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

	The rest of the world is watching us very closely
	to see how we handle our ethnic and racial conflicts.
	If we cannot show them how such situations
	can be settled in a just manner
	then how can we ever expect them to?
							Gerard


-- 

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                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Racist Car Dealers (was Re: Good Quote)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:08:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pslu1.1992Jul23.000815.5045
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Jul22.033945.6745@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.193830.12494@seq.uncwil.edu>  
frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
> 
> $How about it? Who did it happen to? My mother WORKS for GMAC. Caught
> $your tired ass on this one.
> 
> No you didn't you silly bastard.  So mothafuckin what if your mammy  
works
> for GMAC!  That pithy statement means nothing.  Obviously your overtly  
liberal
> ass hasn't been watching TV lately.  Remember that Prime Time special  
where
> they compared the ethics of a car dealer with a black customer and with  
a white
> customer?  The white customer was quoted a substantially lower price on  
a 
> car than was the black customer.
> 
     Malcolm's right. I saw this special too. It started a real debate  
between my housemates and me on how to solve this particular problem. We  
all finally agreed that the car manufacturers should insist that their  
dealers sell cars at fixed prices (no bargaining allowed) set by the  
manufacturers. Fortunately, there is one such company that does this:  
Saturn Inc. They make great cars that are reasonably priced, and all their  
cars are sold at fixed prices. So, with a Saturn, at least you don't have  
to worry about the next person getting a better deal than you simply  
because of his/her "race". 
>    
> -- 
> Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.      
mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
> 				             
Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
> "Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black  
like a bat
> out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"

Arthur Johnson
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:11:00 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A Lesson in Racism-Oprah Winfrey Show
 <1992Jul15.204627.2553@src.honeywell.com> <92201.002849FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <f7pW02gt1aXT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>

Kent,

You're so right about those who didn't learn anything about the exercise.
What's worse is there were some folx who left the casting (thru some much
anger I guess). Jane Elliott told the audience if they were mad because
of the inconvenience they felt, think how many ppl of color feel when we
face this everday.

Some folx began to appreciate it; others were still too thick to catch on.


Fred Rozenblad
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Celebrationng the End of Slavery
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:30:43 GMT

In article <917@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM>,
sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps) writes:
(stuff deleted)
>It dawned on me for the first time this year that very few blacks attend this
>celebration, although many gather outside the stadium to watch the fireworks.
>I assume this is because the 4th of July is not a very meaningful holiday for
>Black Americans.
.
Read Frederick Douglass and James Baldwin for their thoughts on what
the Glorious Fourth means to black folks...
.
>This led me to wonder if there is any kind of celebration for the abolition
>of slavery.  I have never heard of any such celebration and I am wondering
>why not.  A friend of mine who is black told me that it really wasn't anything
>to celebrate.  I guess she meant that celebrating the end of slavery is just
>one more reminder of slavery.
.
.
A celebration gaining currency yearly is the Juneteenth Festival.
It celebrates the day when black slaves in Texas were liberated
through the Emancipation Proclamation.  Juneteenth is usually June
21 (sort of a solstice celebration in a way)...
.
Y'all let me know if I've gotten the date wrong...
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death of Mary Wells
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:02:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul30.203548.19395@cs.wayne.edu> delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge) writes:

>In article <1992Jul30.035028.20432@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>>In <92210.152440LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>
>>>Berry Gordy may not be any sleazier than others in the industry, but his sleaze
>>> is the product of his exploitation of his OWN PEOPLE, which does, in fact, mak
>>>e him worse.
>>
>>
>>The logical implication of what you say is that its better for a black
>>man to rip off a white man than another black man.
>>
>>Is this what you mean?  If so, why?
>>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 

>I disagree, from another mindset, It could also mean "Why would you rip
>off your own, you should be promoting & making easier for your own,
>especially due to the years of BS our entertainers had to go through
>just to make a record".


Right, and the problem with this is that it assumes that Mary Wells
was somehow Berry Gordy's "own" while some white singer would not have
been.  Why does Berry Gordy owe a greater respect to Mary Wells than
to anyone else.  Don't you think that he should treat all people
fairly?


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