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From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:03:06 GMT

In <1992Sep25.153147.13074@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.132601.11295@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>>Nestle, the world's largest producer of powdered baby milk, is currently
>>breaking a World Health Organisation Code on the marketing of baby milk.
>>
>>1. Nestle provides free milk to maternity hospitals in the Third World
>>so that newborn babies are routinely bottle-fed.

>Let's stop right here.  Unless Nestle is forcing hospitals to bottle feed
>infants the problem isn't with Nestle, it's with the hospital.  Sure Nestle
>may be trying to make a buck, but given that people in the Third World
>can't afford to buy the milk after they have the child (which you observed),
>seems like Nestle is basically giving away free milk without much hope of
>getting anything out of it.  Sounds like a good deed to me.

Better read the article again. How is getting babies stuck on infant
milk formula they can't afford to pay for, which then causes their
deaths through malnutrition, a "good deed"?


Daniel Bowen
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   daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au |          is a load of carp.
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: TV question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:15:11 GMT


Hello folks, I recently bought a new 20" SONY TR-22 color tv for a killer price from a going out of business sale. The only problem I have is that this model
does not have stereo speakers nor does it have an audio/RCA output. I was wondering if there was ANY way possible to add some sort of audio output adapter
or something so I can hook it up to my stereo system. Thanx.

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			  in, and I'm bringing my big, bad opinions with me"   **
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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Date: 28 Sep 1992 03:01:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:

>Better read the article again. How is getting babies stuck on infant
>milk formula they can't afford to pay for, which then causes their
>deaths through malnutrition, a "good deed"?

I have not read the original article, but I thought the problem with 
malnutrition came not from the "infant-milk formula IMF"...

(which is often dispensed from hospitals and various relief agencies because 
it is infact "good" for the babies; at least better for the babies than their 
mothers milk for various reasons such as disease or the mothers are dry)...

but the fact that the parents were watering down the reccomended 
concentrations they gave to their babies in order to sell some of the IMF the 
to make some mony to eat or they were eating it themselves.  This has little
to do with Nestle, however you may be reffering to some other problem. 

Also, I don't think the babies are getting "stuck" on IMF, it's the parents.

Regards Scott.
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From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:50:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: gurrung.anu.edu.au

In article <1992Sep27.135600.28965@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>
>>**  BOYCOTT NESCAFE  **
>
>Thanks for the note. I'll be sure to buy extra products today when I go
>shopping.

The United States consumer in his natural habitat.

--
Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.
From: C058SJLX@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: WARNING AC/DC Adaptors
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:29:57 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo


     I have tried two different brand_new GEMINI ac/dc transformers.
   Both delivered higher voltages at every setting.
             3.5 v  instead of   1.5 v
              9 v    instead of  6 v
             18.5   instead of 12 v
   But this is good news.  After moving the switch that changes the
 output voltage two or three times, things are worse.  The transformers
 deliver about 18 volts regardless the level of output you choose.
  I measured the voltages without anything but the multimeter conected
 to them. When connected to a radio the levels remained too high.
  I checked this several times on both adaptors.  Now both deliver 18
 volts regardless the position of the switch.  Both were brand new.
   I bought both at Brand Names.
        Eleazar Puente
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Saturn Cars
From: $garyf@SASB.BYU.EDU (Gary B. Fitzgerald)
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:55:58 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

Recently I saw someone post a message requesting information on Saturns.  I 
too would be interested in any info on these cars.  Thanks.

Gary
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
From: gnb@duke.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
	<hoahosth.59.717431486@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:38:26 GMT


>> Nestles now owns Cadbury,

I don't think this is true.

My references indicate that the remaining 30% Cadbury Schweppes Ltd
was bought out in 1989 by the 70% shareholder, Cadbury Schewppes PLC,
a British-based company also listed on the Australian stock exchange.
The parent company has a wide open share register (largest holder 16%)
and Nestle is not listed as one of the top 20 shareholders.

(The major assets of the Cadbury Schweppes companies are the two brand
names, and the takeover was to facilitate expansion into the Asian
market.  It is inconcievable that the Cadbury brands have been sold to
Nestle since then).

Added to which, such a sale would probably be blocked by the trade
practices commission as a substantial diminution of competition.

Added to which, and true chocophile will tell you, the products are
quite different!

Greg.
--
Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia
``USL has never sold long distance.  You're going after the wrong men in black 
  hats.  (Or, in the case of Plan 9, black space suits)'' - Tom Limoncelli

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: af954@yfn.ysu.edu (Maoee Tsen)
Subject: Re: How to ship heavy stuff cheap?
Reply-To: af954@yfn.ysu.edu (Maoee Tsen)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:13:18 GMT


In a previous article, af954@yfn.ysu.edu (Maoee Tsen) says:
>How to ship an old LaserJet cheap?  The laserjet is around 85-90 lb.
>The USPS and UPS will ship upto 70 lb for one package.  FedEx ship
>it for about $100 which is too much to me.  The LaserJet is shipping
>from CA to MN.  Anyone has the expereince to ship heavy stuff?
>Thanks in advance and have a good day!
>
	I received lots of suggestions for shipping the heavy printer,
Thanks to every one and especially to Alan, he told me RPS(Roadway Package
System) has very good rate for shipping heavy stuff.  A call to RPS showed 
the rate is $23 for shipping the 90 lb printer from CA to MN.
	Another cheap and faster method to ship the stuff with Greyhound
Bus to get express service and cheap rate.  Thanks again and have a good
day!

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Dept. of Chemistry, Univ. of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431
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From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: TV question
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:02:27 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <30540018@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) writes:
>In misc.consumers, pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>
>>Hello folks, I recently bought a new 20" SONY TR-22 color tv for a killer price from a going out of business sale. The only problem I have is that this model
>>does not have stereo speakers nor does it have an audio/RCA output. I was wondering if there was ANY way possible to add some sort of audio output adapter
>>or something so I can hook it up to my stereo system. Thanx.
>
>There is probably nothing you can do without taking the TV apart and doing
>some soldering, and even then you have to be careful.

How about buying a stereo VCR?  You run the cable through the vcr,
and send the audio from the vcr to the stereo, with video going
to the tv.  I'm set up like this at home.

--Neil

-- 
Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (was: How do I handle Phone harassment?)
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:43:00 GMT

weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka) writes:

>This should be an OAQ  (Occasionally asked Question)
>
>Subject: Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
>
>I have listed below, a number of actions that the law prohibits.  This 
>list is taken in part from a post by wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William 
>December Starr) in misc.legal

Well, I'm going to add it to the Credit FAQ here...as a new section.  Look
for the FAQ around the 21st of the month, per usual...

 -Steve
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  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
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   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: DISCOVER card
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:45:03 GMT

gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:

>In article <adams.718042574@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>> hedges@pilot.njin.net (Douglas Hedges) writes:
>> 
>>>Edward_Engler@transarc.com writes:
>>>
>>>>There are a few places that only accept Discover (besides Sears).  One
>>>>that comes to mind is Pace Membership Warehouse.  Previously, they took
>>>>only cash or checks.  I believe that Discover has the lowest merchant
>>>
>>>[deleted]
>>>
>>>Same goes for Sam's Wholesale Club.  That's the only card they
>>>accept.  (Maybe that's why Sears is selling its Discover card
>>>unit among other things; they got tired of Wal-Mart and others
>>>thumbing them in the eye).
>> 
>> IMHO, Sears is selling Discover (actually Dean Whitter) because Sears stock 
>> is terribly undervalued.  Breaking up the company will proved the
>> stockholders with a greater value than the current share price of Sears
>> alone. 
>> 
>> Current stockholders will divide 80% of Dean Whitter, with the other 20%
>> going to the general public.
>
>so, what will happen to discover card?  Who will buy it???? What changes
>will happen to my account??

Likely, nothing out of the ordinary.  20% of the stock is going to the public,
the rest to current Sears shareholders.  Dean Whitter will simply become a 
publically traded company in its own right...

Discover is the largest Credit Card Company in the country now...they
passed Citibank this year.

 -Steve
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  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
   adams@spss.com                                  Phone: (312) 329-3522
   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer)
Subject: Credit card car rental coverage where CDW prohibited?
Reply-To: laufer@math.luc.edu
Fcc: +outbox
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:52:47 GMT

In some states, including IL and NY, car rental companies may no
longer sell Collision Damage Waver (CDW/LDW), and the renter's
liability for damages to the car is limited (NY: $100, IL: $200).

Does anybody have experience as to whether a typical credit card with
collision loss/damage insurance covers this deductible?  My Citibank
AA Visa brochure says:

	"Whenever you charge your car rentals to your card, decline the
car rental company's collision loss/damage waiver (CDW) because you'll
be covered for collision, theft or fire damage at no additional cost.

	This coverage is secondary to any other insurance you may
have.  If you have coverage already, your deductible and other charges
not covered by your primary insurance will be covered when your claim
is approved. [...]"

This sounds like one could interpret the coverage provided by the
rental company as the primary one, thus the remaining deductible
should by covered by the credit card (in case the renter has no other
insurance). 

Any opinions or experience reports would be appreciated.

--
-Konstantin 	             "Es isch es Chogge Zue-ueg mit dene Chaibe Boelle,
[laufer@math.luc.edu]		         die branned choggemaessig i die Auge."
Loyola University Chicago		                 -- Die Schweizermacher

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:16:23 -0400 
From: Edward_Engler@transarc.com
Subject: Re: DISCOVER card
	<1992Sep30.124402.1393@linus.mitre.org>
Distribution: usa


There are a few places that only accept Discover (besides Sears).  One
that comes to mind is Pace Membership Warehouse.  Previously, they took
only cash or checks.  I believe that Discover has the lowest merchant
fees of any card (hence their fast growing acceptance at many
merchants).  PMW probably figured Discover provides them with the
cheapest way to accept some sort of plastic.  With no annual fee, why
not keep it?  The cashback mechanism makes it a sort of affinity card -
some of the proceeds go to a deserving cause - namely you!

Ed Engler
From: jberlin@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: the meaningless warranty --> NISSAN
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:13:19 EST
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH

In article <PHILG.92Sep30144804@zug.ai.mit.edu>, philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun) writes:
> 
> It sounds as though Nissan has learned to be a normal citizen of
> Corporate America.  I don't understand why your lawyer couldn't beat
> more out of them since under the doctrine of strict liability they
> should have been liable for the contents of the vehicle that burned at
> a minimum (this is even if they had not been negligent in designing or
> manufacturing the vehicle).
> 
> I think that we consumers are in fact to blame for the car companies'
> collectively irresponsible behavior.  We just don't sue them enough.
> I'm doing my part -- I just hit Ford with a massive request for
> production of documents in our ongoing litigation.  I remain convinced
> that someday a jury will force them to pay up and they'll be less
> likely to cheat the next customer.
>
   I bought my first (and last) new car from Chrysler (or any other
 manufacturer for that matter) years ago.  The reigning impression
 I got from them is that they 'never apologize, never explain'.  It
 it just not worth the aggravation, time, and treasure for me, so I
 have changed my lifestyle to use public transportation as much as
 possible, drive clunkers for day-to-day use, and rent a reliable car
 or truck for weekend use (they practically give them away then).
 You are never going to 'hurt' a corporation by lawsuit, I am convinced
 that they factor the cost of that into the price of the cars (remember
 the $2 shield on the Ford Pinto?)  
-- 

  Jim Berlin
 
"The opinions and views expressed here are strictly my own and do not 
necessarily reflect the official position of either the U.S. Air Force 
or its contractors."
From: czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:07:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus

Kids fantasize and think about lots of things.  She may want to "get
married" today, then change her mind tomorrow.  I'm not a parent, but
I think the best thing that can be done is to let her consider all
the possibilities life has to offer, and there are lots of them.

TTFN
Kevin
From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: ROOF SEALANT?
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:16:49 GMT
Reply-To: ahill@boi.hp.com
Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow) writes:
> She had someone look at it a few months ago and the guy said it would
> probably last a couple more years.  He also said he could use a roof
> sealant that would extend that to about 5 years.
> 
This is a common scam that gets pulled, especially on older folks.  Usually
it's some sort of silver-color paint crap.  I can pretty much guarantee
that her homeowner's insurance would be cancelled if they found out about
it's use.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Damn those airlines!
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:54:20 GMT

In article <BvAu5q.JxJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:

|> I don't see how this can be done in practice.  If I check in first one
|> in line, my luggage is now at the bottom.  Are they going to unload a
|> thousand luggage (a full 747), looking for one single bag?  The airlines
|> don't record the luggage types either, so the luggage handling crew will
|> have to check every luggage tag.  Not a fun chore.


I was on a flight from London Heathrow, sitting at the gate, waiting to
depart.  The captain got on the intercom and announced that because of 
security rules, we could not take off.  It seems that someone had checked
a bag but had not boarded the plane.  We waited about 15 minutes while they
located the person to find out why they weren't on the flight.  I don't
believe they removed the bag, although from the way the captain sounded
I don't think they would have taken off until the issue was resolved.

It is quite simple to track this.  When you check a bag, the agent 
types in your ticket number along with your baggage claim check number.
So the computer can spit out all the ticket numbers that should show
up upon boarding.  If they need to locate your bag, they can look through
every bag until they find yours.  It would take a while to unload but they
could do it.

I believe they only have stringent rules like this in the U.S. at specific
airports and at specific "high risk" times.

-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Quicken Checks not from Intuit?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:57:13 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 92Sep29081853@soldan.aero.org, faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On 28 Sep 1992 19:04:13 GMT, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
>said: 
>> If you want all your loans, insurance policies, stocks, bank accounts,
>> tax records, and wine collection in one place, where you can push the
>> "net worth" button and watch it all add up, use MYM.  If you do all
>> that on your own (computer S/W there or not), but you want to put your
>> checking account and maybe a few mutual funds on line, use Quicken.
>
>Actually, you can do all of that with Quicken. 

You *could* do it all with WordStar.

In a comparison between the two programs, it is *much* easier to handle
insurance, stocks, and misc collections in MYM than in Quicken.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Bar Code == Mark Of The Beast ???
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:35:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Sep26.013750.26089@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes...
>In article <1992Sep22.191957.23116@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:

>>See my earlier post.  The guard patterns are not 6s since they don't have
>>the wide bar at the end that a 6 has.
> 
>Could you PLEASE re-post the article?? Lots of us are on systems
>which have very high expires on the newsgroups. I must have missed
>it and WANT to see what you're talking about here. I just HATE it
>when people say "please refer to my previous posting"...reality
>is that on my system, the articles are GONE after a few short days
>and I don't get in to read every day. Thanks!

Sorry I didn't save my posting, but it went out the day before the one you
referenced (doesn't help you now, but..)

Anyway, each digit in a bar code has 2 patterns of 4 bars.  The 2 patterns
are the same except light and dark are reversed.  A "6" is a thin dark bar,
a thin light bar, a thin dark bar and a very wide light bar (or reverse
dark/light in the above).  The complete sequence is needed to scan as a
digit.

The starting pattern is a thin dark, thin light, thin dark and wide light
followed by some other bars but the wide light is not the correct one for the
sequence to scan as a 6. The center pattern is thin light thin dark thin light
thin dark thin light. Also not a 6.  The end pattern is thin dark thin light
thin dark.  The bar code ends before you get a 6.

I believe the 'fundies' see the two thin dark line close together as the
definition of a 6, and notice the start, center code and end code each do have
two thin dark line close together.  But the wide band is necessary for a 6 and
none of the codes have it.

-Mike
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general