HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Pinochet
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:50:47 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <MehVIlS00awI0A4Uco@andrew.cmu.edu> Daniel Reid Helsten <dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Creo que la derrota de Pinochet en 1988 sen~ala mejor la actitud del pueblo 
>>chileno en vez de la dictadura.
>
>Cual derrota?  Vivi alli durante el plebiscito de '87 y la elecion de
>'88.  En el plebiscito votaron 54% no al dictadura y 44% que seguia la
>dictadura.  Obviamente, el pueblo chileno no odia a Pinochet y era un
>plebiscito ligitimo en un pais "totalitario".  

Cual derrota?  Perdio la eleccion, no es?  

Y como es obvio que "el pueblo chileno no odia a Pinochet", cuando la
mayoria del dicho pueblo le mostro la puerta?  

>Es importante recordar
>que Pinochet dejo su oficio de su propio voluntad.

Primero, no era strictamente "su propia voluntad": habia presion interna y
externa.  Segundo, no es gran elogio decir que uno respeta los resultados
de una eleccion; solo quiere decir que uno no es un Noriega.
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:24:51 GMT
 <SHIRONO.92Sep14181834@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <SHIRONO.92Sep14181834@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>
shirono@ssd.csd.harris.com writes:
>The only problem is the ethical consideration of whether executing Guzman
>is "the right thing to do".  It is certainly retribution for the crimes he
>was the brains behind.  It further means that the people of Peru do not
>have to pay to support someone who probably has no potential for
>redemption.  But do we have the right to take his life away?  I don't know.

 Maybe humanity doesn't have the moral right to take the life of
a human being. But it does have the moral obligation to stop a
blood-thirsty beast from spilling the blood of thousands of innocent
victims.

 And jail is not the answer. Beasts *do* break out of jail.

-- Jose L. Martinez --
From: lmm@wam.umd.edu (Leopoldo Mercado)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:56:53 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

> En el articulo <16759@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu escribe:
> En Argentina la izquierda se la paso secuestrando y bombardeando, 
> >e hcieron todo lo que estuvo a su alcance para provocar las barbaridades de 
> >los trogloditas que los desaparecieron. 
> 

Cabe destacar que el Se~or Salas demuestra una vez mas que no solo tiene 
problemas para entender el castellano, sino que ademas tiene problemas para
entender la historia de paises como Argentina. Y, lo que es peor aun, el 
Se~or Salas no tiene ningun prurito en expresar opiniones que no tienen 
relacion con los hechos acontecidos, y sobre personas a las que en definitiva
termina insultando.
En este caso en particular, la frase que ha escrito mas arriba es un ejemplo
de su ignorancia.
Baste solo aclarar que las diferentes organizaciones que defienden
especificamente los derechos humanos en la Argentina, has trabajado por mucho
tiempo para dejar en claro que la represion por parte de la ultima dictadura
militar no tiene su origen, ni fue causada por las organizaciones
de "izquierda", como el Se~or Salas las llama.
Esta teoria, conocida en Argentina como "la teoria de los dos demonios", fue 
denunciada por la mayoria de las organizaciones sociales, politicas y de los
derechos humanos, como falsa, y como una simple justificacion de la politica
genocida llevada adelante por los militares.
Es mas, la mayor parte de los "desaparecidos" en la Argentina no pertnecian a
organizaciones politicas del tipo de Montoneros o el ERP, sino que eran 
jovenes que participaban en sindicatos, como Oscar Smith, en centros de
estudiantes, como los chicos secuestrados por pedir el boleto estudiantil la
"noche de los lapices", intelectuales, como Rodolfo Walsh y Haroldo Conti, o
simplemente ni~os, como Floreal Avellaneda.
Sin embargo, no ha de sorprender que el Se~or Salas use el mismo argumento 
usado por las Fuerzas Armadas Argentinas en su documento, conocido como 
"El informe final", donde responzabilizan a "la izquierda", por haber iniciado
las acciones que desencadenaron en la llamada "guerra sucia".
Este informe, como dije mas arriba, fue rechazado por todas las organizaciones
de derechos humanos.

Es quizas recomendable para el Se~or Salas que aprenda un poco, y que se 
informe aun mas antes de lanzar esta seria de comentarios que solo pueden ser
ientificados con el discurso de los genocidas que secuestraron 30.000 personas,
en su mayoria jovenes, y varios cientos de ni~os.
From: psilva@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl (SILVA OSORIO PABLO WASHINGTON)
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Originator: psilva@cecux1
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:42:07 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile

In article <15SEP199203525619@vxcrna.cern.ch> pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES) writes:
>>FELICIDADES!!! Y SALUDOS A LOS HERMANOS PERUANOS por la captura de
>>ese terrorista!!! que tantas muertes causo' en el Peru!. 
>> 
>
>
>	I'm sorry, but I think that you are celebrating too early.  Even
>the Bush Administration is careful on his analysis.  If Fujimori and his
>police are also in a urge to celebrate, it may be fatal for them.  If
>anything will change soon in Peru is only more blood and violence. 
>
>	I believe that Guzman expected to be arrested any moment, and
>was prepared for that.  The fact that he didn't offer resistance and
>kept his humor ("My turn to lose," he said when arrested) is an
>indication of that.  And so was prepared his organization.  I am sure
>his organization has plans to free him soon, at any cost (that means, 
>independently of the number of lives they have to sacrifice). 
>

Ok!! si es cierto, que hay que tener cautela, pero es UN GRAN PASO!!
para el Peru haber capturado a ese terrorista (que en mi opinion)
deberia recibir el mas duro castigo por todas las muertes, ahora el
dar un saludo no quita la cautela!!! o no?, aca en Chile tambien
tenemos problemas con estos desgraciados, pero gracias a Dios es
de pequen~a magnitud!! :).

Tambien es cierto que ahora se ha extirpado el "TUMOR" del Peru,
ahora falta sacar las raices, ojala que se pueda hacer lo mas
suave posible para que no sufra tanta gente.

De todas maneras quiero felicitar al Peru, por haber capturado
a este cicario!!.

atte psilva Pablo Silva Osorio.
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: NICARAGUA: TIDAL WAVE SLAMS AN ALREADY DEBILITATED ECONOMY
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:52:29 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



Otro articulo de la red centroamericana:

san jose, sep 2 (ips/latin american desk) -- tuesday night's
tidal wave brought more human and material destruction to a
country whose gross domestic product (gdp) slumped from four
billion dollars to 1.5 billion dollars between 1970 and 1990.

the downward plunge in nicaragua's economy in that twenty-year
period was the cumulative result of natural disasters, social and
political conflict and environmental destruction.

the cycle of calamities to which the 15-metre waves that
flogged nicaragua's pacific coast on tuesday added their
destructive might, began with an earthquake that smashed the
capital, managua, in december 1972, killing 10,000 people and
razing the town almost entirely.

the nationwide insurrection in 1978-1979 against the
dictatorship of anastasio somoza, whose army bombed nicaragua's
main towns in trying to put down the rebellion, was followed by a
period of hope after the anti-somoza coalition won in july 1979.

but these illusions were nipped in the bud by a low intensity
war waged by anti-government rebels (contras), supported by the
administration of u.s. president ronald reagan, in the 1980s.

and as nicaragua battled with hyperinflation, the consequences
of the new civil war and a u.s.-imposed trade blockade,
'hurricane joan' swept through the country's atlantic coast in
1988, devastating tropical forests and destroying ports and
villages.

an protracted drought this year and now the tidal wave dim
even further the prospects of nicaragua's 3.5 million
inhabitants, flagellated by natural, political and economic
tragedies.

as a corollary to this cycle of disasters, the mismanagement
of harvests and post-harvest in nicaragua's agricultural sector
during the 11-year war against the contras irreparably damaged
the country's natural resources in addition to causing its
economy to lose millions of dollars.

according to nicaragua's agriculture ministry, national
problems have been aggravated by the degradation of water sources
caused by deforestation, wind and water erosion -- which led to
the disappearance of the best agricultural lands -- and the ill
effects of agrochemicals, pesticides and fertilizers.
(end/ips/trd/so/oh-ug/kb/92)
----
 JOSE F. OTERO
From: hal.cohen%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Hal Cohen) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: RE: CLINTON ON CUBA
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: hal.cohen%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Hal Cohen) 

"Que se dejan que cada pais se aprende por si mismo" (No he aprendido
copiar texto). Respecto a Cuba, si, creo (pero  no se si estoy seguro)
que tenes razon.  Pero, me preocupa un comentario tan general. Mi pregun
a vos seria, hasta que punto irias?  No llega algun momento cuando el
mundo (no solamente los EEUU tiene derecho, si no una obligacion, a
intervenir.  El derecho internacional dice que si (jus cogins)--segun un
principio general, cualquier pais puede intervenir en otro pais cuando
el gobierno de ese pais (o un grupo permitido por el gobierno) actua en
una manera considerada no aceptable por el mundo--el ejemplo clasico es
el genicido.  Los gritos para intervencion se escuchan respecto a lo que
era Yugoslavia.  Aunque hoy es dudoso que lo que pasa alla podria ser
llamado un 'conflicto domestico', muchos de nosotros creemos que
ya a llegado al punto que el mundo tiene la responsibilidad de actuar.
Respecto a Cuba, no se.  No conozco tan bien la situacion alla.
Que yo sepa, es una dictadura comunista. No he escuchado acusaciones de
genecidio ni de masacres, etc.  qzas hay y yo no lo se.No llegaria un
momento cuando crees que alguien deberia hacer algo?
From: shirono@ssd.csd.harris.com (Roberto Shironoshita)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:31:46 GMT
Reply-To: shirono@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems
In-reply-to: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu's message of 13 Sep 92 16:00:39 GMT

In article <17045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

> Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in
> Peru, Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was
> arrested in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.
> News reports also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA
> guerillas were also captured.  Any other  news surrounding these
> delightful events?

Just a couple of nitpicks:

a. The name is Abimael, with an 'e'.

b. The said person is the leader of a terrorist organization that labels
   itself "Partido Comunista del Peru -- Sendero Luminoso" (Communist Party
   of Peru -- Shining Path).  That does not mean this group of people is a
   political organization, nor does it mean they have current ties with the
   Partido Comunista del Peru (Communist Party of Peru).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Gross- und Kleinschreibung etc. (war: Re: Rostock, Berlin, usw.)
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:40:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.122513.6891@email.tuwien.ac.at> ulrike@eichow.tuwien.ac.at writes:
>In article <ZGP6TOW@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de>, paul@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Paul Boehm) writes:
>>mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:
>>
>>>nun - ich bin hier ja auch schon als rechte
>>>hohlbirne bezeichnet worden (oder fast), nur
>>>weil ich mich nicht unbedingt gewaehlt 
>>> ...
>>
>>Schon mal was von Gross- und Kleinschreibung gehoert?
>>
>>P Boehm
>Damit ja alles seine ordnung hat!
>U
>*************************************************************************
>Ulrike Gollonitsch // ulrike@eichow.tuwien.ac.at
>Technical University of Vienna // Institute for Computergraphics
>*************************************************************************

Diese Diskussion geht in die gleiche Richtung wie die Sprachenkriege, die
hier in unregelmaessigen Abstaenden toben.

Ich bin der Auffassung, dass jeder selbst entscheiden kann,
in welcher Sprache er schreibt, ob er die SHIFT-Taste benutzt oder nicht,
ob er Grundregeln der deutschen Sprache anwendet oder nicht (hier ist die
Entscheidungsfreiheit allerdings sehr begrenzt), ob er Umlaute als '"a'
oder als 'ae' schreibt. Diese Liste liesse sich beliebig fortsetzen (W wr s,
wnn mn ll Vkl wglss?).

Nur, eine Erleichterung beim Schreiben geht oftmals zu Lasten des Lesevorgangs.
Unterstellt man nun jedem, der hier einen Artikel schreibt, dass er den
anderen etwas Wichtiges mitzuteilen hat, so erscheint es mir allzu logisch,
wenn man das Lesen moeglichst erleichtert. Dies bedeutet jedoch, dass man
sich an gewisse Konventionen haelt, moegen sie einem auch noch so spiessig
vorkommen.

Tschuess,
		Joern
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From: mark@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Mark Rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Reference Wanted: How to find a town (with mis-spelled name)
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:12:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Sep16.001212.5824
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.


     I have been doing my genealogy for a while now, and am trying to
find where in Germany my ancestors came from.  I have names of four 
towns / cities that people were born in.
	Essel, Hannover
	Einsheim, Hesse-Darmstadt
	Niederursel, Hesse-Darmstadt
	Steinau, Hannover
The only one that I am sure that I have located is Essel.  I have 
located six Steinau's, and think that Einsheim should be Insheim, and
Niederursel might be Nieder-Weisel.

     I have been able to find maps of "Old Germany" that shows where
the boarders of Hannover and Hesse were, but they are not detailed
enough for me to be able to tell which town/city was under the control 
of which Duke.

     Is there a book which contains detailed maps of each "Dukedom"
(I am not sure what the correct terminology for these areas is).  Is
there a "Best" book for the history of (what would become) Germany in 
the 1800's?  Most of the German History books in the local libraries
concentrate on the 1900's.

Thanks
Mark Rauschkolb
mrr1@ra.cs.msstate.edu
From: planius@ips105.desy.de (P. Lanius)
Subject: Re: Germany's Power Play in Europe
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:36:18 GMT

In article <jkrnx30#@aix01.rz.fht-mannheim.de> Friedrich Roesch writes:

>>First, West Germany's annexation of the German Democratic
>>Republic in 1990 ......

>  This is not true. There was no annexation at all.
>--
>       Friedrich Roesch

You'ld have better said that in your opinion there was no annexation at all.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^
IMO the word _annexation_ is probably the best one could assign to the german
'reunification' in 1990. Why?
Lets assume that it was a fusion of two independent nations. But a fusion
means to take something like the common denominator of both nations culture,
law, administration and economics and to develop (or at least agree to
develop in future) something new (that preserves as much as possible of the
old values) out of this. 
What you are probably reffering to is the fact, that it was voluntary, there
were no means of pressure put on the government of the GDR. This may be true,
but there is some doubt about this... Nevertheless, from the viewpoint what
is left and still alive of the culture, law, administration and economics
of the former GDR this is quite close to what you expect to see after an
annexation. There are not that many examples of 'fusions' or 'reunifications'
in recent history, so it is difficult to compare. The only one that I have
in mind is the reunification of Jemen(sp?), but I don't know what happened
there.
What do you call the 'fusion' of Daimler-Benz and AEG? Sure, formally this
was a fusion, but in practice it looks more like an annexation. Since the 
AEG was in liquidation, so there was not much they could do than saying
'yes' and 'you make the rules'. 

Most non-germans I've spoken to also feel that it was an annexation. So you
should be aware of your bias, because you are german (-- I guess at least).

Peter
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: zxmkr08@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Subject: Re: Gross- und Kleinschreibung etc. (war: Re: Rostock, Berlin, usw.)
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:50:54 GMT

In <1992Sep13.124020.239@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier) writes:

>oder als 'ae' schreibt. Diese Liste liesse sich beliebig fortsetzen (W wr s,
>wnn mn ll Vkl wglss?).

At least this would save an enourmous amount of bandwith. :-)

Cornelius.
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From: roman@Germany.Sun.COM (Roman Stanowsky - Sun Germany Product Support Communications - Munich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Octoberfest information request
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:41:17 GMT

karrer@bernina.ethz.ch (Andreas Karrer) writes:

>Not only American soldiers drink too much.
Right... Hello to Australia ;-)

>If you can make it, go to the "little Oktoberfest" on the U.S. Army
>base somewhere in the south of munich -- much more civilized.
Unfortunately, due to the retreat of the American Army, the Little Oktoberfest
was abolished. The last one was last year and ended with BIG fireworks.

Sigh,
Roman

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: coville@h114.desy.de (Arnaud Coville)
Subject: Aussiedler 
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:48:43 GMT

Laut mehreren Posts haben die territorialen Ansprueche der BRD mit der
Wiedervereinigung eine Ende genommen.

Aber, was sind dann die Aussiedler ? Sind sie deutsch oder nicht ?
Haben sie eine doppelte Staatsangehoerigkeit ? Wer wird als deutsch
empfunden? Ist das mittels der Grenzen von 1937 bestimmt ?
Was ist der Sinn der Aussiedlern-Politik ? 

Danke fuer die Aufklaerung.

Arno.



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aimez, je les partage volontiers. 

 
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From: tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Where to get acurate old maps of Germany
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:42:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4eedRA600YV7I48c0w
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Does anyone know of any agency or address the Federal Republick has
for old maps of Germany? I'm primarily interested in some detailed
maps of the east, near what was and is currently Poland.

It will sound like a common story, but records of where my grandfather
(a Derrick) came from are sketchy. We have a very rough idea of where
the town is, but aren't sure. I'm planning a trip to Germany next
year and wouldn't mind visiting the area the family came from. Please
excuse my sentimentality here. You probably hear this all the time here.

Tom Joyce
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jls0598@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Surname...
Reply-To: jls0598@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:06:22 GMT

Hello, I was wondering if any of you have heard of this surname, 
Sasservitch, Sasserwitch, Sasservitsh, or Sasserwitsh, not sure of
the spelling.  Please post your reply to this or e-mail to me at:
JLS0598@ritvax.rit.edu .  Thanks so much!

J.L.S.
From: schieber@jetson.uh.edu (Schieber, Jay D.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Castle Wolfenstein, Cool dude.
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:26:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <wunner.715632049@nova>, wunner@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Guenter Wunner) writes...
>lkv@mania.hotb.sub.org (Lutz Vieweg) writes:
> 
>>Ich finde Castle Wolfenstein ebenso wie "Hogan's Heroes" (unter dem
>>Titel "Stacheldraht und Fersengeld" in RTL zu sehen) aeusserst
>>amuesant - tragisch finde ich nur, wenn Leuten, die nicht die
>>Faehigkeit zur Trennung von Filmwirklichkeit und Realitaet besitzen,
>>solche Werke als Grundlage ihres Deutschland-Bildes dienen.
> 
>>cu, Lutz Vieweg
> 
>Toll formuliert, Herr Vieweg!
>Ich bin auch der Meinung, dass man sich nicht so ueber kriegerische
>Szenarien aufregen sollte, also auch nicht ueber Wolfenstein 3D.
>Tatsaechlich scheinen aber viele Amerikaner/Englaender/Franzosen, etc.
>zu denken, dass alle Deutschen Neo-Nazis sind, so wie in Rostock. In
>Wirklichkeit ist naemlich der Hurra-Patriotismus in anderen Laendern
>wie Amerika (schon mal einen Microprose Flugsimulator gespielt?) oder
>Frankreich (war da vor nem Jahr - Oh Gott, sind die weit hinterher!)
>viel mehr vorhanden. Ich persoenlich bin der Meinung, dass Deutschland
>"dank" des 2. Weltkrieges eines der wenigen Laender ist, die nicht so
>auf Krieg erpicht sind und sozusagen etwas "vernuenftiger". Was meinen
>die anderen Deutschen und die Amerikaner etc. zu meiner Meinung?

ich stimme deiner Meinung zu.  Ich bin der Meinung, dass es ueberall
Faschisten gibt (Frankreich, USA, usw), aber Hauptfrage ist, ob viele
der 85% der uebrigen Bevolkerung stark dagegen sind.  
In Deutschland gibt's viele Gegner, jedoch bei uns 
nur wenige (ich bin USAmerikaner).  

Aber augenblicklich muss ich zugebe, dass ich erstaunt bin 
wieviele gewalttaetige "Menschen" es in Deutschland gibt.  
Dann ist es leider was anderes ob, weil viele
Menschen sind jetzt in der Tat gefaehrdet, anstaat nur potentiell
gefaehrdet.


>Tschuess,
>	Lukas.
> 
>(lukas@trillian.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de or lukas@134.147.160.21)

Servus,
Jay
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