From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: What a Shame !
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:25:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Aug20.212540.17308
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <l95taeINNsg6@skat.usc.edu> sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
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>NOTE: This article does not glorify Tamil. I am posting this on SCT because
>I happen to be a Tamilian. I am posting this on SCI also, because I am among
>those who believe that they are Indians first and Tamils next.
>
>If you are looking for an article that blindly (or otherwise) glorifies the 
>Dravidian culture, this is not the one and you may want to PRESS "n" NOW.
>
>And please, No Cyanide Threats.I still believe these don't belong to this 
>newsgroup.
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>
>
>CONTENT: This is my final posting on the I HATE TAMILS thread. It contains
>material that may be objectionable to those who feel that  'Rest of India'
>does not matter to the Tamil culture. If you happen to think so, 
>PLEASE SKIP THIS POSTING.
>
>
>"I HATE TAMILS" . I wrote this in a *sincere* attempt to understand ourselves in
>relation to the cultures of the rest of India. Being a Tamil myself, it was 
>important to know whether _we_ had gone wrong somewhere in accepting the others
>The "others" perspective was one way, IMHO, the problem could be understood. 

I respect your sincerety. But you should have realised that giving a header
like "I HATE TAMILS" would surely provoke some people. And how many do you think
actually fought rather than argue ? Very very few. And if you wanted "others"
perspective why post in SCT ? And how many people("others") responded.I remember
seeing four names in your CONCLUSIONS post. Why only four gave reasons ? And
your conclusions were questionable too. How do you conclude without putting the
arguments on the net ? Shouldn't you give a chance for the Tamils to defend
themselves ?

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>Hell I posted to the wrong group !! I thought that this group was created to 
>discuss about issues related to Tamil, but  was I wrong !
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>"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to SCT. This newsgroup has been specially made
>for you. We are a bunch of bigots and fanatics, and only our views matter here.
>You are welcome to praise our views, but if you don't agree keep your views
>to yourselves. Before you post something READ THIS CAREFULLY:
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>  * We don't tolerate anything written against Tamil(s). We believe that
>    Tamil belongs the most superior culture on earth. And you better believe
>    that, too.
>  
>  * We advise you to restrict yourselves to postings about movies, jokes
>    and other trivia. We have a team to take care of the propaganda
>    machine. And again, don't oppose our viewpoints - you ain't seen
>    our flames yet.
>
>  * We like postings about equality. Write about equality in temples and
>    priesthood, but not in schools and workplaces. Unless ofcourse if you
>    are fond of getting death threats.
>
>  * We encourage terrorist news. If you  read any news about terrorists
>    killing innocents, post immediately. Even if you don't, feel free
>    to cook anything up. We relish such stories.
>
>  * We urge you NOT to respond to articles which do not articulate our views.
>    For your convenience, we will remind you of this whenever such
>    articles get posted.
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>  * WARNING: This group is NOT soc.culture.indian.tamil. We are Tamils first.
>    And Tamils ONLY. You are forbidden from posting any articles even remotely 
>    concerned with the relevance of Tamil in Indianness, or vice-versa. We'll 
>    rush to the nearest match box if you post such an article."
>
>Clap.Clap.Clap.

I see a frustrated netter here and that's all. Most of what you have said is a
sarcastic dig at SOME people in SCT. Though there are some truths here and there
I think you based your opinions based on a handful of SCT netters.

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>This very well seems to be unwritten charter for this newsgroup. Who are 
>these brain-dead who seem to think (it is another matter how the brain-dead
>can think) that they own this (SCT) newsgroup ? And what gives them the right to
>preach what types of articles ought to be posted, and what not ?

"Brain-dead" I see this used often. Why ? Nobody has the authority to ask 
anyone to post or not to post anything. And you DON'T have to obey them.
But requests are different. And it is all upto you to decide.

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>Well, I asked a few honest questions. It is unfortunate that this discussion
>erupted into an inane flame war. Some of the ones who weren't in it mailed
>me some excellent, balanced opinions. Thanks again guys. 

Did you read Mr. Parthasarathy's article ? What do you think about it ?

>
>Did I find any answers here ? You bet. If at all Tamils are disliked in the 
>rest of India, it is only because of a handful of bigots with parochial 
>viewpoints such as the ones here who believe that they own SCT. 

It works either way.

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>What a shame !

You bet.

>
>Sudarshan (Flames welcome at : ramachan@usc.edu)
>

Sorry I didn't mail you personally. That's because this discussion should be in
public.



Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar