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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Poetry test
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:37:26 GMT


Okay, so I decided to put myself to the ultimate test... sharing a poem with
my Iranian friends.  Since I view Iranian poets as unequaled, I feel somewhat
nervous about this, nonetheless, I find it heartening that Iranians do share
poetry with one another, and so here's to you all:

Home

The houses grow silent in winter
Dust sifts through children's books
The houses grow silent in winter
Blue maiden falls gently in snow

Suffocated deep in the sorrow
Muffled in sarcophagus caress
Enclosed in the womb of pristine ice
The children grow silent in winter

The houses grow silent in winter
Leaves gather somber at the door
Laughter bemusing grows mocking
The clock ticks its march to the grave

The houses grow quiet in winter
Sun shines a sorrow all its own
A blue grave of fantasy surrounds 
A field, a star and a life.

	pc '92

				*****

Now I wish someone would help me to translate it into farsi so that I could
read it at a shab-e-shehr here in Pittsburgh someday.  Any takers?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Re: Mrs. king is that you real name?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:57:00 GMT

 That last idiot that wrote something like,

 Yes, yes, yes I have the same problem.
No, no, no, ....

 All I'll say is that you make a very good barking dog.

Satan.
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:03:20 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <10NOV199209182802@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:

>  To all you goddam, western loving, feminist, exiles out their, Kiss
> my ass! Seyyed is brave enough to stand up to all of you, even though
> he is out numbered. I glad that Seyyed is here to express the views 
> most Iranians have.

> ShAYton. 
> (The Devil.)

	Mah fashaanad nur-o, sag au-au konad.

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hosseini@rtsg.mot.com (Kamran Hosseini)
Subject: GIF files (Where can i get them from?)
Summary: need GIF files
Keywords: GIF
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:46:50 GMT

Dear all,

I have no FTP access to the "Stanford" library but would like to receive
the gif files we have had references to in recent SCI postings .. would
someone please direct me towards an alternate source for gif files or
kinly post or e-mail them....."hosseink@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com"


Many thanks....

		kAmrAn
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Women in Iran
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:52:35 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <1992Nov8.180122.2058@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.040957.20138@wuecl.wustl.edu>, seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov6.192738.6666@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
>> 
>>>                           Women who have to fly from their
>>>country just to explore the wonders of intellectual life.
>
>man that has nothing to do with culture or islam. if the standard of education
>was high in those countries there would not be as much of a need for them to
>come over here. the poor standard of education is a problem in itself, but it
>has nothing to do (directly) with islam.

I think the best judge of that are those women themselves.  Ask them did you
leave ONLY to get a college degree?  I trust you will be surprised.  Only
they and not you or I can speak for themselves.
>
>western people have a cultural arrogance that they are proud of. and anyone who
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>does not think th same way that they do is backward. for some reason i think
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Where have we seen this before?  Now let me think, hmmmmm.....

>from our religion, in fact science is a subset of our religion. no other
>religion has that. 

Yet another reason that muslims are superior.  We certainly haven't had a 
shortage of those, now have we?

If you want to kiss the sky, you better learn how to kneel first.

>>>Loren King
>> Seyyed.
>zafar

Agha Javad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: still looking for answers
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:31:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Nov6.191138.6327@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.231519.11619@wuecl.wustl.edu>, seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov5.034645.6626@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
>|> 
>|> >In article <massoud.11.720903231@chemteca.sdsu.edu>, massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:
>|>  
>|> >|> No, you are wrong. The intensities are not the same.
>|> >
>|> >What rubbish!  You just stated in an earlier post that "there are lots
>|>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >of things that men don't understand about women," but now you're an 
>|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> 
>|> If I am not mistaken, you are confusing Massoud Ajami with me! Those are
>|> my words, and are under copyright law. If you refer to them, you should
>|> state my name, otherwise I and Mortazavi publishing company are going to
>|> sue you.  :-)
>
>
>Sorry about that.  I mixed up the headers to a bunch of files
>when I saved them to read.


oh dont worry!  seyed himself is the master of miquotations... you are
too new to this newsgroup to know about this tho.  youd get a kick out
of this:  for over a year, he was parading an innocent 'mistake' that
someone else had made on sci as mine.  a bunch of us in bay area who
knew i hadnt written that sentence, would get a kick out of this
everytime he posted the message with the mistake in it.  when i
finally asked him to go look at the original article, he figured out
that i had simply posted the article on *behalf* of my friend, as clearly
stated in the message.  when faced with this embarrassment, he said:

umm, oh yeah, i knew that all along.  you should have corrected all the
mistakes in your friends mail, before posting it to sci!!!

and they say true moslems dont lie...

he's just adorable... 

>_________
>
>Loren King
>MIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:00:09 GMT

zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:


>mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:


>>I just talked to my family in Iran this morning. In light of Iran's
>>elimination from the Asian Cup, here's some facts/opinion courtesy of
>>my brother.

>>Facts:

>>    o A tie would have advanced Iran into the semifinals while it
>>      would have eliminated Japan, where a win for Japan would advance
>>      Japan into the semifinals and eliminate Iran.
>>    o The game was played in Japan!
>>    o Three players from Iran were sent off during the game!

>And then Ala replies:

>>>Why would they play rough if all they needed was a tie?
>>>Ususlly the team that is behind tries to be so aggressive that
>>>it may get in red card trouble.
>>>Again, to me this is very unusual.

>Ala Khan:

>Baba Ay Valla.  I have not seen the game and looks like you have not
>seen the game either.  Therefore, we both cannot be a good judge about
>the game.  But sending three players (apparently in a very short time
>interval, maybe 40 minutes or so) looks to me kind of odd.  Especially
>that the refree should usually show a yellow card before expelling a player.  

>Second of all, Baba that is our home team land.  Where is your patriot
>feeling?  I did not expect that from you, especially by reading some of
>your posting.  My point is, political or religious system should not
>effect your patriotism.  Personally, I am trying to be fair, but things
>are very fishy to me and I agree with Mack 100%, especially by reading
>the title of posting "You make the call".  I hope, I misunderstood you
>but otherwise I appreciate if you would enlighten me.

>Kindly Regards

I have a feeling that Iran's team suffers from poor leadership.
A team that only needs a tie to win should never play so aggressively
no matter how bad the officiating is.  They may say that the referee
was BAAGHSAAMI (bought) but that is no justification to get involve.
Here the point is not fighting for principals rather it is to win.
I wonder wether the players were encouraged to protest the calls.

And about may atriotism which is questioned here.  I do not know
what I said that iwas not right.  I am concerned about this because
I think our guys should have won this.  As you mentioned we do not
know all details.  May be we should wait before making any judgement.


>Zamie

Ala
From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Exercise of Mind
Summary: amoo's plea to ahAliyeh gerAmi
Keywords: NeshAn
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:05:09 GMT
Organization: naghAl khooneh

In article <1992Nov12.090611.8795@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com 
(Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>If you were going to express sci in a 5"x5" square, what would that be?

AhAliyeh mohtaram,

Once again an opportunity has come which calls for participation of all 
enthusiastic ahAli regardless of their religious/political orientation.
The idea of creating a "neshAn" for SCI transcends ideological differences 
among us. Let's accept that as Iranians we are a diverse nation, let's also 
show that this diversity could be inspiring, constructive, and not 
necessarily destructive or contradictory. I would encourage those of us who 
are currently preoccupied with creating offensive terminology to redirect 
their talent toward HooshyAr's offer. 

mobtaker bAshid,

amoo

P.S. We will be the first to carry the SCI neshAn as the new sign of 
     our ghahveh khooneh upon its selection. We are also trying to extract
     "kareh" from "Ab" by reserving the right to print T-shirts for all
     interested ahAli to expand our business overnight! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yekaty@eshgh.edu
Subject: Re: Your advice
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:23:00 CST

In article <1992Nov10.180004.2400@ra.msstate.edu>
eeajm@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza) writes:
 
>
>Salaam doostane garami,
>
>One night in Mississippi when all our friends were sitting and
>talking to each other, one of us raised a question that I
>thought it might be interesting to raise it here in the net.
>
>The question was "what would be your five most important advice
>to iranian government?".
>
>For example, someone said "I would ask the Iran's government to
>put most of his effort into building as many sport club as
>possible", and so on....
>
>Please contribute if you wish.
>
>Thanks
>Alireza.
 
my advise to them would be to not listen to idiots such as yourself!
 
p.s "in harfha barayeh FATI tonboun nemisheh, GET A LIFE"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahman@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Bahman S Kermanshahi)
Subject: Joke-e bitarbiyati az Ghotba jan
Reply-To: bahman@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:23:56 GMT

Selam,

Wallah ma ke darim az dast in joke-ha-ye bimazzeh-e mardom bolo miavarim.

Holo be yek adad joke-e bitarbiyati nadid badidi-e ajagh-vajaghi tavajoh konid.


{ Ye ruz ye Arab-e labe shatt-e frat eestadeh bood va dasht mishashid

  Ye nafar Arab-e ra did va goft: Volek, ab-e shatt sarde ?
  Arab-e goft : Ab ke sard hast hich, Amigh ham hast.
}

Agar doost dashti ke dashte bash Agar ham nadashti khob nadashte bash.
Albat maghsud shakhs shakhis bandah touhin be Ahali-e arab va ajam nabood.
Maghsud bandah haman chiz bood. Yek lahze khandeh bood.


Official Ghotba of SCI and proud of it!!!

.. Bahman
From: smortaz (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Direct E-mail posting to SCI now possible (also anonymous postings) [sci-poster]
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:28:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
To: sci-poster@handel
Cc: smortaz




dear my dear sci friends:

i have several friends who have e-mail at their sites, but no access to
soc.culture.iranian. some have reading priviledges, but cannot post.
at the bayarea lunch meetings, these folks often enviously listen to us
talk about what goes on sci (as if theyre missing something!). etc.
so i finally felt bad and setup a few aliases and daemons which provide
news access (both reading and posting) for these folks.

ive also setup an anonymous posting alias, since i know there are a lot
of people out there whod like to express their opinions but feel
intimidated by our resident merchants of terror.

this is an effort to get us closer to our 'freedom of speech' goal for
this newsgroup. yes, it may get abused. i cant control that (and
wont). the service is automatic and i dont scan peoples articles
(sorry, no spell-checking of peoples articles seyed :)).

so if you or a friend has e-mail access and wants to post something to sci,
you can send your article as a regular e-mail to:

sci-poster@handel.sun.com

if youd like to send *anonymous* articles to sci (your name will not
show on the header):

sci-anon-poster@handel.sun.com

if you (probably not you, but a friend) would like to *receive* sci articles
thru e-mail, send me mail and ill add you to the list. the daemon for
this wakes up once an hour and e-mails all the new articles out to the
list of receipients.

itd be real funny if this e-mail doesnt make it to sci...

let me know if there are any problems.

 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
|This message was posted to SCI via direct e-mail.  Yours truly is
|not responsible for its contents!             Shahrokh Mortazavi.
|
|E-mail *anonymous* posts to : sci-anon-poster@handel.sun.com
|E-mail regular posts to     : sci-poster@handel.sun.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: bAyad ...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:15:35 GMT

In article <lfg1e7INN4dq@spim.mti.sgi.com> cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com writes:
>                                                                              
>                      |   /   .         .          .        .              |  
>                 ! __ |_,_)  4_   q   >   q_w_    _7_,_w   4_         : ]_ |_ 
>                   .    .         /     / /  .   (_  :                   :  . 

        The rest of the fine works of the "Ostad Cheragh Khoshnevis" 
        better known "Mash cheragh Neviseh Bikar" deleted.
>
>-- 
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>	 | |
>	 | |
>	( ! )
>	 \ /
>	 ___
>	|   |--0
>	|___|
>	 ! !	(c) Copyright 1992 - Mash Cheragh-Ali
>	 ! !	
>	 / \	    cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com 
>	~~~~~
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>


You have a lot of free time on your hands don't you. I have to remember
to find work for your idle hands.

To keh neveshti, la-aghal ye she'er khoob mineveshti.
-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
From: nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca (Navid Badie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: need your nazar
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: rd.1992Nov12.183733.8341
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"

ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Lu Cifer) writes:

: In article <BxGytI.1t3@me.utoronto.ca> badie@me.utoronto.ca (Navid Badie) writes:
: >aspirun@seasva.gwu.edu (Aspirun Gheyas-abady) writes:
: >
: >>"hich Irani mosalmoon neest va hich mosalmoon Irani neest"
: >>
: >
: >"hich irani massihi nist va hich massihi irani nist"
: >"hich irani baha'i nist ca hich baha'i irani nist"
: >"....kalimi.....................kalimi............"
: >"....khoda nashnaas.............khoda nashnaasi........"
: >etc...
: 
:                 Gheseyeh Hossein Kord deleted
: 
: So basically what you are saying is that:
: 
: "Har kas ke kar va zendegi ba yek jo aghl darad esmash Navid neest
:          Va har kas ke esmash Navid ast kar va zendegi va yek jo aghl nadarad"

Ey Naagholaa!! You must have been reading between the lines! I guess when
it comes right down to it, that *is* what I am saying!

: BTW what does lobia cheshm bolboli look like? Anyone?

It is shaped like a red kidney bean, but a little smaller. It is beige in
color, and has a black circle with a beige dot in the centre. Some people 
use it instead of the red kidney bean in ghorme-sabzi. You should try it
sometime. It is delicious that way.

Cheers,
Navid Badie.
==================================================================
nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca
To state the obvious:
Any opinions expressed in the above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Shah-nama Ferdawsi
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:33:51 GMT

(Part IV)

Drood bar Doostan:

I am in about to post a brief history of "Pishdadian dynasty".  As you
all know, this is just about 7500 years history before Cyrus the Great
establish Achamedian dynasty.  I thought, one needs to know some
background about this , in order to understand Shah-nama in a better way.

Hope you enjoy this.  


Regards

Zamie


------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------

Pishdadian Dynasty:

Kuo-Maars:  30 years reign, and apparently his family ruled for 1,000
years.  He spent most of his life fighting against "Divvan" (a term that
you probably see in Shah-nama alot.  Divvan is a name that refer to the
evil side of human being, this could be people who were bothered
farmers, or ....).  He was praying God, harmless, and kind man.

Hoo-Shang: 40 years reign, and again apparently his family ruled for 500
years.  During this era, fire was introduced as well as iron (metal). 
Also, they were given credit for using animals (like horse or mull), as
well as making clothes from animal's skin and making houses were started
during these people.  Hoo-Shang was given the credit for bringing the
element of astronomy scince for the first time.  He was living in the
city of "Estakhr" (near Persapolis in Fars).  Somehow, it is said that
he was Kuo-Maars's son and he spent sometimes fighting against "Divvan"
and finally made his father's revenge (who was killed by Divvan).

Tah-Moors:  30 years reign, and his family ruled for 800 years.  He
started to praise people from worshiping God than idles.  During his
reign, there was a big famine, and he led people to fight against this
natural disaster.  Cities like Esfehan, Amol, Saari, Merv, and Ghandhar
were build during this era for the first time.

Jamshid:  They said, he was living for over 600 yaers (!!!!), and his
family ruled for some 1000 years.  He is well known as you all know.  He
was the first king who established the science of medicine, as well as
accustome people to taking bath, and building roads and making wine from
grapes.  He was living in the region of Sistan (South East of present Iran).
His sons and grandsons were Zaal, Rostam, Garshasb, and Sohrab .  At the
end of his reign, he got very selfish and people stopped helping and
supporting him.  Zahak got over him and started to rule over Iranians.


(To be continued) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,alt.feminism
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Dastgah Concept in Persian Music - the book
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:36:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <lg04tvINNr2k@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana) writes:

i wrote:

>
>well sure, not *exactly* (since tape players didnt have record buttons
>yet) but i thot there are plenty of 17th century violins, cellos,
>harpsichords, organs, etc around which are fully functional today.
>dont some of the players in period-instrument orchestras (st martin in
>the fields, trevor pinnock's, philharmonia baroque, etc) use actual
>antique (as opposed to replicas) instruments?  how old are stradivari?
>

assana wrote:

>
>Well, I think we are pretty close to it though. As you must know, there are
>quite a few groups and organizations that do play on actual antique instuments
>from the 17th century (Philarmonia Baroque directed by Nicholas Mcgigan (sp??),
>The English Concert directed by Trevor Pinock, Academy of St. Martin in the 
>fields directed by...ummm...I forget, etc).

hey, stop copying my posts! :)


speaking of persian/arabic/middle-eastern music... one interesting
aspect is the variety of eastern influence on western music, and the
general fascination of westerns with our culture and music.  many
prominent composers have either quoted a few eastern-sounding measures
of music or have written entire pieces sprinkled with ample amounts of
middle-eastern/persian 'spice'.  im not very good with names, but these 
famous ones come to mind:

sheherezade		rimsky-korsakov
abduction of seraglio	mozart
capricio arab		a way-cool guitar piece by francesco tarrega
king soleyman		?
samson and delila?	camille saint-sans
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: Aryan symbols
Organization: SAzmAneh Jalbeh SayyAhAn 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:53:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.174503.16875@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid) writes:
>Could someone kindly tell me if old Aryan symbols still exist in 
>Iran today. In Germany under Hitler, they revived the old Germanic
>symbols the swastika and the old style SS for the Schutz Stafel.
>In India, the reverse swastika is still quite common.
>Thanks in advance.
>Mustafa Saiyid
>

I am not sure what you mean by "still exists in Iran today". I have seen 
a carpet on display in the city of Isfahan, in ShAh SoltAn Hossein Mosque/
school, which has been authenticated back to his time, during the rule of 
the Saffavid dynasty, some 200 or so years ago. The boundaries of the 
carpet, I distinctly remember, were adorned with swastikas and reverse 
swastikas. Clearly, these symbols existed and at least in this case, were
used to display the "Aryan-ness" of the users at the time. I am not sure if
they were used as a symbol of oppression the way Adolf & Co. used it; 
seems that they were just used as an ethnic sign. Obviously, Adolf was 
not even conceived at the time. 

As far as present day use of the swastika, I have never seen any other
than the above in Iran. Probably the association it brings with 
the Nazis, has been a factor in it not being used. 

Aref 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian