HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Subject: Barbed Wire Tattoo: (Was: temporal pierce)
Keywords: left? or right? let's all get a clue...
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:08:10 GMT

In article <10APR199203484780@juliet.caltech.edu> jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.) writes:
>
>ObBodyarts:  So I've decided on getting a broken barbwire strand motif
>tattooed around my upper arms, and I was wondering if anyone might
>suggest a good art sourcebook.  

	I would suggest you check the library, look in the files for
	books on barbed wire. I know there are several different types,
	and I'd be willing to bet you could find at least a couple of
	reference books that show photos of some of them... If you find
	a photo of basically what you want, this would probably be
	enough for a tattoo artist to come up with a design for you.

	-Barb
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 21:04:24 EDT
From: <JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart,
Subject:    Need R. Gallina's tour schedge FAST!!


Hey there!!  I know that just a few days ago, someone posted the
touring info for Raeyln Gallina.  My "refresh" function accidentally
ate that post before I got the info down, and now I REALLY need it
for a friend of mine who wants complex ear and nose work done (hmmm...
could this give new meaning to the phrase "ear nose and throat specialist)?

Anyway, will someone PLEASE repost that schedge and/or send it directly
to me!  I and Carol say THANKS in advance! ----JLR
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Subject: TWO QUESTIONS WAS MORE NI
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

>STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes

>Ben, the first question's all for you: Are you a real asshole, or
>do you just play one in rec.arts.bodyart?

ROTFL! Yes, at present, I'm just playing one in rec.arts.bodyart, but I
hope to soon have my degree in Assholery from a correspondence school.
I've been studying the past masters of the subject (including Greg
Parkinson and Bill Gribble) and have been practicing saying "Fuck Off"
and "You are full of shit" in front of a mirror, so I can get the
disdainful sneer right...
                                                                                                                      
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From: gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry)
Subject: tons o' tats questions
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:02:18 GMT

okay..i read the tat FAQ....but i still have questions....
(if some of these have been answered before don't flame me...i don't have
much time to read r.a.b. and i have no access to the archives)

1) i am in peoria, illinois....does anybody know of any good, safe, sanitary
places near there....i would be willing to go to bloomington, champaign-
urbana, or even downtown chicago (but i would prefer not to in case something
goes wrong).....if so, who at these places should i have do it?

2)is chlorine bad for a tattoo?  how long after the tattoo is done should i 
wait before i go swimming?

3) i'd like to get a curling vine type tattoo that goes around my ankle like
a bracelet....does anyone out there have one of these?  how much did it hurt?
how long did it take?  how much did it cost?  where did you get it?  where
did you come up with pattern from?

4) now, i know this is in the faq2, but i'm still worried...if you could
all mail me specific rules for care of a tattoo after it is done....and rules
for before you get the tattoo....i have sensitive skin..should i take
some non aspirin thing before i have the tattoo done?  would should i do to
get ready for it?

i also want rules for care of a tattoo....how high of a sunblock is necessary?
i know this was in the faq, but i want more detailed answers...i am very
meticulous about such things....give me specific times, rules, product names,
etc....


i think that's about it...i plan on having this done in black...with maybe
a hint of blue worked in...i have extremely pale white skin...

if there is anything else you think i should know, please feel free to tell me

please post and mail your response to me....our nnmaster is down, and i have
no idea when it will be back up....my address is in the sig..

i know this is a very detailed request...but i take this seriously..and i want
this to be a work of art that will last....and i want it to be safe..

also,a pproximate costs are nice too..

thanks so very much...if this goes good i might get other tats....this will
occur sometime after may 17 (i've moving out of my parents' house then!) :)


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Subject: RE: ANASTHETICS AND PIERC
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.) writes
[lots of good points and good ideas omitted - but acknoqlwdged - here]
>Regards, let's get this all behind us, please?

Yes, I agree completely.
  I got started off on the wrong foot on this... newsgroup, is that the
word? Man, it's like being in a foreign country.
  Now, ANYTHING I say is responded to (by many of the denizens of this
thing) as something they can make fun of, hurl insults about, and rally
around cries of "fuck you". It's getting pretty stupid.
  From now on, anyone who wants to communicate rationally with me will
get rational communication in return. Anyone who keeps on playing the
"flame game" will get a "flame game" response.
  Let's see how long it takes folks to get the message?
  Thanks for your post (article? What's the damned word?)
From: refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling)
Subject: Who is Ben Sansing and why is he so obnoxious?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:09:37 GMT


I think that the last half dozen or so articles (in a row) by Ben
flaming all kinds of people answers what he is, but I still wonder
why he has to act that way.
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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: TONS O' TATS QUESTION
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:38:58 GMT
Keywords: n

well, over my achilles tendon is a tattoo which i am VERY glad does not 
have to be touched up again. ouch. OUCH. (did i say ouch? :) i am working
on an elbow design, maybe to be done on a trip to CA, i suspect that 
ankle and elbow pain to be similar.

>this (or anything... it's the latest "fun game"), but your observations
>are right on the money. My ladie wyfe says that "It hurts like Hell for
>about five minutes, then your nerves just sort of "give up and go to
>sleep" and it doesn't hurt anymore.
endorphens (that can't be spelt right) are what she experienced.  there are
at least two seperate ways of nerves "igorning" stimulas.  the first is 
endorphens -- natures pain killers and the prime reason why natural child birth
is possible :)  the second is the CNS getting used to summat. When studying
from Arms and Camp's biology text, it can be explained as follows: if you
burn some toast, then the smell is strong, but fades to an unnoticalbe level.
if you leave the house for a while, it smells when you return. surely the
burnt smell has not *increased* in strength, what has happened is that before
you left, the olfactory receptors had begun to "ignore" the smell.

these are two very different effects of not noticing sustained stimulas,
i suspect that that your wyfe had the endorphans kick in, and -- as with
childbirth -- she did not have the nerves "give up".

--
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     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: PIERCING JEWELRY
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:04:16 GMT


anyone ever use platinum? or tantalum? what is tantalum?
PFIQ #34 mentions both in the article on female nipple piercing..

aha, Tantalum (Ta) is an element.. 

i imagine platinum is rather expensive?

any speculation as to why Gauntlet offers only one labret model?
(only one size, only 14k)

curiously,

tim
From: mlotocky@s.psych.uiuc.edu (MA Lotocky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: foot tattoos
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:28:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr12.022807.20721
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

<hmmm, didn't see this posted yet, so I'm reposting...>

Does anyone have any information regarding tattooing the
feet?  I'm interested in having one or both feet tattooed,
but when I was getting my last tattoo done on my ankle, the
artist made the comment that they (the studio) didn't like
to tattoo any lower down on the ankle than I was getting
my tattoo, or on the feet, because "the skin is really
different there and tattoos don't work out very well" (or
something very similar to that).  So, has anyone received
a foot tattoo?  Do they just age strangely or what?

thanks.
Melanie
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: PIERCINGS FOR EASTER
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:30:06 GMT

In article <311.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
>To commemorate Easter, all True Christians will want the latest in
>piercing... palms of the hands and soles of the feet. Yes, now you too
>can have "cool stigmata" piercings, just like old JC himself.
>  Just a thought...

this does bring up an intersting point, somewhat about piercing, but 
more about social and etc. type standards

being brought up in a conservative Christian family, ear piercing
was a definite no-no...
but interestingly enough, while reading the bible one day
i ran across a section saying that a servant who loved his master
would pierce his ear against the door post of his master 
(there was more to it than that.. but thats the general point and im not
really sure it was his ear.. it could have been something else on his head)
Sooo... technically .. Christians that really love God should go 
out to their church and pierce their ears...

well.. at least it would be a reason that it would be stupid
to criticize someone for getting their ears pierced saying it
is an un-Christian thing...




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"The future is not what it used to be." - Nick Philips
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Subject: RE: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> is no reflection on his posting habits; his site undoubtedly contacts
-> its upstream link only infrequently and releases his accumulated gems
-> of wisdom onto the net in a single batch when it does so.  News

 Ben logs onto The Courts of Chaos and does his mail.  Chaos
(chaos.lrk.ar.us) links to ualr.edu via uuPCB gateway twice a day.
Ualr.edu talks to uaf.edu periodically; there's either not a dedicated
line or the daemon only runs mail every now and then.  Uaf.edu connects
to the backbone, which is connected to the tailbone...  something like
that.

 It's heavily bizarre, but it's free, a quality overlooking many faults.


 Oh... bodyart?  Uh... I painted a pet turtle once, does that count?
From: jane@stratus.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Victoria and the Victorians
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:46:39 GMT

While the era was in one of those reactionary modes, one has to remember 
that perceptions of the era came from "above ground" sources, and those of 
the middle and lower classes, as well as late in the period.

When Victoria was young (Prince Albert was still alive), she had quite a 
rep for being quite a randy lady.  (Where do you think all those children 
came from?)  She liked to keep Albert's unwashed underdrawers around, for 
personal reasons, too.  Her children burned her journals, after her death, 
because they "contained indecent things."  (And these kids included Edward VII!)

The upper classes, as upper class were wont to do, suffered none of the 
inhibitions of the respectable working and middle classes.  Women had their
nipples pierced and strung chains between them, wore transparent silk 
underwear.  (I've seen some of this, complete with peek-a-boo lace panels 
in appropriate areas, in museum exhibits of underclothes!)  Jenny Churchill
(Sir Winston's mom) had a snake tattooed around her wrist.  They were the 
aristocracy; they didn't have to conform!

The lower classes, especially, though, were consumed with hypocritical 
prudery.  Many writers of the time, including the celebrated "Mr. Annonymous"
of Victorian porn, commented on this.

  --Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
     --Tom Clancy
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Subject: AFTERCARE
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> the skin is a little rough, and slightly raised, and it looks
-> terrific

 My wife and I went to three local shops (the others being more than 100
miles away) and looked at the photos on the walls.  One guy had maybe
500 photos of his work, every single one of them welted.  The tattooist
we finally went to (Gregg) said that some people just welt, others
don't, but someone who had customers who all welted was probably a bit
clumsy with the tattoo machine.  Looking at the artwork, I can believe
it.  AB's didn't welt, and there's no discontinuity between the tattooed
area and the rest of the skin.
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: TATS AND CHLORINE
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:19:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.

ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
|caveat@emptier.Corp.Sun.COM (Agent Double-O Soul) writes...
|(about the goddamned alcohol/tattooing question, aka "BEN'S CLAIM")
|>This is a pile of doo-doo.  Karl's right.  While living in Hong Kong,
|>I was tattooed while incredibly liquored-up.  I don't remember getting
|>the tattoo, but what I woke up with is definately not blurred.
|>In fact, it is quite crisp and clear.
|
|Allow me, yet again, to practice the method of level-headed discussion I
|have learned here on Usenet.
|
|FUCK OFF AND DIE, YOU LYING COCK SUCKER.

What is wrong here, Ben?  You said that it would be better if we
didn't say "fuck you" immediately and instead said something like
"from my experience, I have found that to be not true."  Tell me
what the author (Agent Double-O Soul) was doing here.  It looked
like she (?) was doing exactly what you suggested AND they didn't
even use a four-letter word of a sexual or excretory nature.
At least, I didn't see anything like that.

-Brent
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From: rengen@skat.usc.edu (Robert Engen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: how do you tell when it's healed?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 05:22:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.201304.23445@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>I got a nipple pierced four weeks ago, and I'm wondering
>how I tell if it's healed?

That really depends on your definition of healled.  I wouldn't consider
it healled untill at *least* you can take the ring out for a day or so
and it won't close up, but thats just my definition.  I have had mine 
for about 16 months, and have no problem taking the ring out to put 
another in, but haven't tried leaving it out for an extended period of 
time, but feel I should be able to leave it out for a few hours at least,
is this healled???? Not really sure :-)
But in that definition, I am not, or did not, wait untill healled to get a
little play with it :-).

>I got it done by Karen at the Gauntlet who told me that it needed to
>heal for two months, and it should be three months before I let anyone
          ^^^^^^^^^^^
I think they use this definition, to mean until you can switch jewlery,
they want the pierce to have healled enough to undergo the stress put
on the new skin when you do this.

>put their mouth on it.  This is my first body piercing, so I'm
>ignorant, but based on experience with ears I think it's about
>healed.  It stopped gunking up a couple weeks ago, and I can tug on it
>about as much as I think it should ever get tugged on without feeling
>any pain.  Is there any other way to tell if it's healed, or should
>I go ahead and let someone play with it and See What Happens?
>--
>           Eric Murray                   ericm@microunity.com

Remember that your ear has much less new skin that needs to form to
be healed than a nipple piercing, I doubt that after only 4 weeks,
you could take a nipple piercing out for even a little while.  But 
also remember that what the Gauntlet says is going to be a little 
bit more conservitive than necessary, because if they were to say 
you are healled after only a month, and something went wrong, you 
might be able to sue them.  Please don't take that as saying not to 
follow their advise, that's not what I'm saying, just that you don't
necessarily need to follow it to a tee.  As for letting someone play with
it, well I didn't wait as long as recommended, I only waited untill
it didn't hurt to touch, about 2 days :-),  but also rememer that
if someone is HIV+ and they play with your nipple orally, theres a 
chance of you contracting HIV, after all it is an "open" wound
per se.  And finnaly if you do let someone play with it, it would
probably be a good idea to wash it afterwards, this is not to prevent
HIV, but just plain ordinary infection which could result, the human
mouth is NOT very clean. 
What ever you decide, good luck.

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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: Who is Ben Sansing and why is he so obnoxious?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:55:52 GMT

I guess he has time to spend trying to get people to be more like him.
I don't get along too well with people like me, I don't understand it.
Who is going to change and become a better person through flaming?

Well kids I'm off to my cabin in the woods, those of you still around
come fall, I'll be yakking with.

Stay healthy.
-P.
ZZ
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Who is Ben Sansing and why is he so obnoxious?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:25:53 GMT

In article <29E27200.4263@noiro.acs.uci.edu> refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling) writes:
>
>I think that the last half dozen or so articles (in a row) by Ben
>flaming all kinds of people answers what he is, but I still wonder
>why he has to act that way.

he has no life?
>--
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>John Refling, refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: TATS AND CHLORINE
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:58:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.

batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames) writes:
|
|> If you're drunk
|>when you have it done, it's end up blurred.
|
|	This is utter horseshit. Get a clue. There's no direct
|	relationship between blurring and drunkenness at the time
|	one is tattooed. 

Those magical blurring qualities of alcohol...  A friend of the family
has had a large tat on his forearm since he was in the navy.  He has
had the tat for some 50 or so years now and his is blurry.  However, he
told me not long ago that over the years the detail was lost (I actually
asked him about it).  As far as the tat goes, it's the typical large
anchor with an American flag wrapped around it somehow (it's REALLY
blurry).  (I doubt is says Mom anywhere... :-).

|> Several artists I know
|>refuse to work on a drunk.
|
|	Any reputable one would; if you get tattooed when you're 
|	drunk, they can't be sure you're really sure you want to do 
|	it; also, it makes you hard to deal with. 

This is almost a sure reason.  Ben's statement doesn't support
his alcohol == blurriness claim anyway.

|> If you drink heavily later on, it will blur.
|
|	If you can't find evidence, give us some reason to 
|	think you're not just making it up. So far, it's hearsay, 
|	and as you have as yet earned no credibility here, that
|	don't cut it, son.

Ditto.  As for my friend, he says he has never been a big drinker
so this doesn't support any of Ben's claims either.

-Brent
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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:18:26 GMT

jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman) writes:
>Home tattoos...  Not the best idea.  Hard to control depth, penetration, 
>infection, those great little details.  Oh yes, and toxic reactions to the 
>ink.  Tat ink is a special formula.  Do NOT use India ink.  The stuff is 
>poisonous.

>However, back in Victorian times, the sailors used to use steel pen-nibs.  
>You can find these in an art supply store under the term "crow quill pens."

>I'd be very dubious about the ink.  Toxicity is a big issue, if it's not ink 
>that's *intended* for insertion into your body.
*----
A lot of the kids in my neighborhood (ok, so it's not a great neighborhood)
have self-inflicted tatoos.  They're very casual about the ink (some of 'em
use India Ink), and I haven't seen any of them suffer a reaction yet.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
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	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
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