HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann())
Subject: How I post articles in Chinese
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 11:08:35 GMT

    I've posted an article to suggest us should post articles in
Chinese, and I received many messages to ask me how to post in 
Chinese. That's the way I do:

    1. Turn on the power switch of my PC
    2. Load ETen chinese system
    3. Login to host
    
  Then I can read/write news in Cinese!

  The third step is done by "telnet HOSTNAME". the telnet is a PC 
program which acts just like telnet in the UNIX environment. But
the telnet program is modified to run under Chinese system. This 
version is available all over Taiwan and become more and more
popular these days. 
  Anyway, Read in Chinese is the most nature way to us Chinese
though write in Chinese is somewhat painful!
  Besides, Mr. Yung-Jin said there is another news group named
'alt.chinese.text' in which many articles is posted in Chinese.
It is but just like he said, I can't read the content! because
there were posted in the GB code rather than Big-5 code.
  That's indeed a problem now ,but I think, will be overcome soon.
The computer hardware/software industries progress toward the 
requirement of the users. With Chinese more and more popular, more
and more products will be chinese compatible, and transform between
Big-5 code & GB-code will become an eary job!

  Oh! I forget something. The most convenient way to read/write the
news is to use a Mac as terminal. Just like PC, the Mac should load
the chinese fonts first, and anything will be as same as in English. 

              Merry X'mas & Happy New Year!!!


                                                       Shann 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16053 soc.culture.china:32379
From: jialo@dso031.sch.ge.com (Jia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: (Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme) And (Pretty Girl)
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:34:16 GMT
Organization: GE Power Generation

In article <1992Dec11.143707.21237@cs.mcgill.ca> haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.170330.21312@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>From article <1992Dec7.231056.3754@u.washington.edu>, by seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-):
>>> In article <104160@bu.edu> abc@bass.bu.edu (Onnei Cheng) writes:
>>>>>	chinese in taiwan and chinese in china simply have too many
>>>>>	differeneces regardless of how much money they're making.
	<...deleted...>

	I believe there is some differeneces but not that many. I have some
experiences with my Taiwan co-worker or classmates. I have a very good
relationship with them. When we get together for party, I feel we are just
from the same place(China).(Maybe, they don't feel like that??!!..Aha..)
	
	I never feel any difference between conversation MainLand--Taiwen
and MainLand--MainLand. 

	This is just my personal experience. 


	
	About the GIF JPEG posting, if anyone want to see it and don't have
any tools, you could get xv or PPM package via ftp.(or xloadimage:
export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/xloadimage.3.01.tar.Z).(xv can almost view all the
existing format and PPM package(they might sit in Rice University site) supoort
all the format converting) I wish these poster could make high quality stuff. 
A color scanner might be a good solution. 

	And then we will see "how many differeneces between Tainwen Girl 
and Mainland Girl?") ******just kidding. I did read lots of discussion
about that kind of topics on soc.culture.taiwen. Isn't it funny?

	Have a good one.
	
        If you realy do want to reply through mail,Please forward to:
JIA_L@tbosch.dnet.ge.com while I enjoy reading reply on Net.
_____________________________________________________________________
Louis R. Jia (Ruoming)              |(518)-385-8325(O)
GE Industrial & Power Generation    |JIA_L@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
____________________________________|________________________________
    Opinions contained here are my own, and are not necessarily those
    of GEI&PG.(or MainLand China->Shanghaines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:11:47 GMT

From article <1992Dec16.211635.25202@athena.mit.edu>, by joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang):
> 
> Most Mainlanders I know don't want to invade Taiwan.  The problem is
> with the Mainland government.  I personally am trying to prevent any
> sort of military action because I believe that without military
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> action, unification is inevitable.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We have different views on this.

>  With military action, unification is impossible.

I agree.

> 
> Even if ROT is declared.  It won't be long before Taiwan is
> economically unified with the Mainland in the form of some sort of
> common market.

I also would like to see it happens.

> Eventually, as the standard of living in the Mainland
> improves, it will be possible to have free immigration between
> Mainland and Taiwan.

Taiwan will have it's own immigration law. I am not optimistic on
mass immigration into Taiwan since it's already crowded.

> With interlinked culture and economy and people
> flowing freely between the two places, it will be impossible to think
> of the two places as separate. 

I don't see any reason why countries within the same common wealth area
need to be unified.

> 
> A comparison can be made with BSR/WSR.  Forty years ago, the contrast
> between BSR and WSR was extremely sharp, far sharper than
> Mainlander/Taiwanese today.  Today, there are still traces of the
> BSR/WSR division (in KMT factions for example), but those divisions
> are quickly disappearing.  Unless someone panics and does something
> stupid, the Mainlander/Taiwanese divison will rapidly become
> irrelevant, just like the BSR/WSR division is becoming irrelevant.
> 

What's BSR/WSR?

> On the other hand, if someone tries military action, you'll have
> people hating each other forever.  Today in the Southern United
> States, there are still places where people hate the North.
> 

Heng-Hsin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:10:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.004341.9028@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>I can not find a single reason why we have to struggle so hard to
>>get a chance to slap each other on face.
>
>Because all Chinese history is written as one group of people conquered,
>defeated, slaughtered, humiliated another group of people.
Chinese had history like that and good side you failed to mention.
Most people did not live old enough to do those "horrible" things, they
either were eaten by tigers, snakes, etc... That was a plus not  minus comparing
most people at ancient times.
And which civilization is not built on war, killing? All of them.
>How could one hope for this kind of people to be respectful ?
>Better to be Taiwanese, forget about those Chinese.
>
>Yi-Chieh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: gerard@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gerard Yeh)
Subject: Question about ROC's government structure
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:39:47 GMT

Can any tell me the five branches of government in ROC?  Where does the
miliary and judiciary fits in?  Thanks

-- 
---------------------
Gerard K. Yeh
     ,__o
-  _-\_<,
  (*)/'(*)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: the name?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:55:57 GMT

In article <pkS=fh_@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
>It is less confusing;
>we don't have to explain to everyone: "Well, ROC is not really China;
>it is Taiwan."

Why isn't ROC really part of China?  It's only confusing because you
insist that ROC is not part of China.  If you say ROC is part of China
but not part of PRC, the confusion does not exist.  In fact, from a
purely cost/benefit point of view, that solution is probably the best
one because it reduces the risk of retialiation (either economic or
military) from the PRC and it doesn't hurt one's chances of getting
diplomatic recognition or military aid along the like the Republic of
Korea has.

You seem to think that ROC "shouldn't" be part of China, and you are
entitled to your opinion, but you should realize that your opinion is
not the only one.  It is quite possible that it isn't even the
majority one on Taiwan.  There have been some "independence-leaning"
netters who say that they don't mind the name ROC as long as the
government does not work against the views of people in Taiwan.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16392 soc.culture.tamil:4548 soc.culture.thai:4034
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.thai
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:33:46 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations: 

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conference that brings together university students and young
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Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
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resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
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In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
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The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
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Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
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Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

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Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Prophecy
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:36:02 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

>>        Before saying good-bye to the year 1992, I cannot help being
>>inquisitive of the whereabout of the prophet who used to put "In 1992
>>R.O.C.'s Li Huan will liberalize Mainland China." (cannot recall the
>>original quote; the meaning is close, though) in his .signature file. %^)
>>
>>--
>>Hsu-Ku "Bruce" Ying                E-Mail: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw
>
>Sounds like some rumours out of Hong Kong after the 6-4 massacre.
>The prophecy was Push-Back-Diagrams (Tui1 Bei4 Tu2).
>
>What a coincidence, I was wondering about that too... :>
>
>NGOK

The prediction is bound to fail since it is based on the so called, 
Push-Back-Diagrams (Tui1 Bei4 Tu2). The name of this book tell us
everything, it can only push-back, not push-forward. Since all words used
in this book are vague and can be interpret in many ways due to the nature
of Chinese characters, so when you push-back, it can be used to explain
things happened in the past. The whole purpose of this book is just for
fun, but there are so many idiots who think this book can be used to
push-forward. Better find a Push-Forward-Diagrams.

Yi-Chieh
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16333 soc.culture.china:33181
From: seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:32:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec19.053243.3867
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>I guess it is other way around. If some run into your home, kill you 
>father and raped you mother, you would glad to recognize him as your "foster
>father" or even "father", as long as that person is rich than your
>real father.

	what/why?? $ isn't everything -- guess u know that damn well.
	no human beings live forever, life is short, get yourself enuf
	$ and live a COzY life, boy. don't talk like a homeless. well,
	i'm being mean again.....gees, well, why not, it's winter
	vacation, we can do anything we want :) /seb@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.040343.15498@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>>
>>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
>>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
>>much better than the Chinese culture.
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>
>
>	some of my relatives (elder) still speak japanese in taiwan.
>	they had japanese education in the early years because taiwan
>	was occupied by japan.

     At least the Japanese contributed something to Taiwan while they were 
there, that was by making education popular.
>
>	i think this is rather an ADVANTAGE to those taiwanese because
>	simply because the more languages you know, the more benefit
>	you get from it.
>
     Not only that, we can also deal with Japanese better when trading because
we understand the Japanese and their ways.  That is one of Taiwan's major 
advantages over other nations when trading with Japan.

 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16390 soc.culture.china:33263
From: ling@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Fung Shui for Houses
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:38:13 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Hi, netters,

A western acquaintance of mine is interested in Fung Shui (Wind Water)
aspects for domestic buildings.  I can only tell him about the "standard"
things.  Here are the current list:
- the house number must not have a 4, 5 or 0,
- never locate the stairs directly facing the front door, 
- never buy a block of land facing a street, 
- the block of land must be wider in the front,

Can you people compile a list over the Net?

Thanks in advance,

How-Hie Ling.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yang@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: Candidates supporting TI need your support(I)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:04:15 GMT

tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:

>In article <1g813fINNcqd@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>>I am posting the following message for Professor Soa York-Ted of
>>Nation Gao-Tong University in Taiwan.

>Never heard of this school in Taiwan.

Could it be Chiao-Tung University?  Anyway, "Soa York-Ted" doesn't look
like a Chinese (or I should say Taiwanese) name.  Look more like a Korean
name:-)  Is he/she a Chinese, oops, a Twiwanese?

>>Following is a list of candidates supporting TI. They need your support 
>>very badly. You can help them and help Taiwan by calling your friends,
>>your family, your relatives who live in Taiwan to cast their votes for
>>these candidates.

>I still do not understand why a voter would vote for a candidate
>whose campaign is only for TI in stead of the regular wellbeing of the
>public. It seems that at every election held in Taiwan the opposition
>party can only use TI as a resort to solicit publicity and votes. And,
>this kind of activity never ceases. A referendum for this matter is
>necessary to solve this matter once and for all.

Agreed.

>We can expect if these TI candidates were elected, they would raise
>the h*ll out of Taiwan.

This statement should aim at "those TI candidates who are campaigning ONLY
for TI but nothing else."  I guess some of the TI candidates do have other
concerns other than TI.  Anyway, I agree with you that simply saying one
candidate is supporting TI and asking people to vote for him/her seem to
make little sense to me.  It sounds like TI is the panacea.

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Please don't waste your time
From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:30:22 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: koutd

This message is addressed to those people arguing the point whether
Taiwanese is Chinese or not.

First of all, this is a pointless argument. Does it really matter if you
are from China or Taiwan or HK? I am sure there is something out there
waiting for us to learn and understand about the culture or the people of US
So, don't waste your time trying to argue a pointless topic. I am sure all
of you didn't come all the way to the United States to argue this question. 
I am sure that all of you come here for a better reason...

Doug

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uda.edu (Cosmic)
Subject: test
Summary: <none>
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:17:08 GMT

test
cosmic
From: laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:59:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec12.060735.14898@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) wr
>so, you may argue that if we change the name from roc to taiwan, the new
>name may serve us better than another name.  my point is i don't think
>the new can serve us or present us better than roc.  in fact, i think
>any new name will serve us worse than the present name - roc.

Let's talk about the name. ROC or TAIWAN seems the same to me as long as they 
just represent Taiwan and don't make the stupid claim "Mainland is part of our
territory". 
Back to the international affairs, the difficulty of diplomatic reconition of
TAIWAN comes from China, since it's so strong and powerful. And China don't
give a dame shit of your name; no matter TAIWAN or ROC. Right now what we can
do is to interpretate the content which represents us toward the world and
establish the diplomatic policy based on this.
Right now Taiwan has another problem : the common ground of diplomatic policy
hasn't formed yet because of the disagreement of president house and parliment
house. We don't know how to treat China : just another country or a special 
area of ROC? This is a real problem right now.

                                                          I Chung Lai



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: gtl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (george.t.liu)
Subject: Re: remarks of diff. between taiwanese and mainlander
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:12:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.174630.2960@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ccchou@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chih-Che Chou) writes:
>In article <Byzy54.13B7@austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.082305.22916@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>>>strange topic.  my parents were from mainland around 1949, i was born in tw, so
>>>who i am?  taiwanese or mainlander?  or sob?
>>>
>>
>>No, Christine, you can *not* be SOB. 8=).
>>
>>> ....
>>
>>>  * christine *
>>
>
>How do you know *she* was not faking?  :-)
>
>cc

i know she's NOT!  right christine?  8-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:09:54 GMT

From article <bjones.724441394@dhostwo>, by bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones):
> npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen) writes:
> 
> 
>>In article <Bz9z5F.Jt5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>> ...
>>>According to The Chronicle of Higher Education dated November 25th, Chinese
>>>students rank number one in the US with a total of 42,940 in the academic
>>>year of 92-93. The top ten  countries of foreign students are as follows:
>>>
>>>   1.    China    42,940          6.   Canada     19,190
>>>   2.    Japan    40,700          7.   Hong Kong  13,190
>>>   3.    Taiwan   35,550          8.   Malaysia   12,650
>>>   4.    India    32,530          9.   Indonesia  10,250
>>>   5.    S. Korea 25,720         10.   Pakistan    8,120
>>>
>> ...
> ...
> 
> I think it should have been:
> 
>    1.    China (PRC) 42,940          6.   Canada     19,190
>    2.    Japan       40,700          7.   Hong Kong  13,190
>    3.    China (ROC) 35,550          8.   Malaysia   12,650
> 
> Incidentally, I think the term "China, Taipei" is offensive and demeaning.
> The term "Taiwan, ROC" is okay if we can also use, for example, "Hunan, PRC".
> 

To me and to the publisher, your list is much more confising than the prior.
If we don't talk about political definition, Taiwan and China are widely
accepted to represent two groups of people in two different areas. To
make Taiwan an independent country is to avoid the confusion by the names
while preserving the fact.

> ...
> Brad


Heng-Hsin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u8016056@cc.nctu.edu.tw (u8016056)
Subject: q
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:31:40 GMT
From: hsu@sol.cis.udel.edu (Chifeng Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in US(was Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan)
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:42:27 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.cis.udel.edu

In article <611@blue.cis.pitt.edu> ycao+@pitt.edu (Yousheng Cao) writes:
>Now CCTV is broadcasting in North America, too. Using a small satellite dish
>you can receive a free CCTV in US and Canada. For more information, please
>call (412)621-4214, fax (412)687-4663 or send a self addressed envelop
>with 29 cents stamp to Hannah & Hanson Newtech, 3333 Juliet ST, Pittsburgh,
>PA 15213. Watching a CCTV in US, you will have more topic to discuss in 
>this group.
>





Anyway, what is CCTV? 


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