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From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter)
Subject: Where did everybody go?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:30:01 GMT
Distribution: na

I suppose all you lucky @^%$!^s out west and up north are riding, eh?

So how do those new XLT's perform?  Is the article in the latest Snowgoer
correct about the weight transfer of the rear suspension?  If it really
unloads the skis as bad as they say, seems like it would be tough to
ride really hard on the trails.

We're expecting 3" of snow here today - just a little bit more than that 
and I'll have the EXT out tonight!

I tried calling the Traverse City snowline, but the reports don't start until
the 15th and I can't get WJR on the radio here at work - what's it doing up 
around Cadillac and Grayling?????????

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Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 08:53:45 MST
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuels
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)

In article <1992Nov6.140701.25212@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
>
>We have been using this stuff in Colorado for a number of years.
>Most of the fuel suppliers use MTBE rather than alcohol. I have seen
>lots of sleds using this stuff with no jet changes and no problems but 
>it sure makes me wonder. I didn't see much difference the first few
>years when it was 10% except for fuel economy. Last year, however, it
>changed to a 14% requirement. My low compression truck started pinging
>so bad that I had to back the timing off about 5 degrees. I still have
>not seen any problems that look like they were caused by the fuel in
>snowmobiles.
>
>We are very careful to avoid alcohol if at all possible so this probably 
>doesn't help. I guess if you set your machine up with the worst fuel you
>can get, you may lose a little performance but it should be safe. If you
>are jetted one number rich you probably won't lose much performance.
>
>If you have your choice of MTBE or alcohol, go with the MTBE.   

No choice, just the Ethanol.  I did some checking over the weekend and
found that the limit here is going to be at 10%.  I can still get non-
ethanol fuel in Salt Lake City where my brother lives so I will do that
for this year, but the epa says that next year Salt Lake will make the
switch also.

The Ethanol stuff is costing us about 4 cents more per gallon.  This has
a lot of the gas station operators worried because a majority of the
people in my area commute to Salt Lake to work.  Salt Lake is normally a
penny or two cheaper which doesn't bother most people, but now they are
6 or 7 cents cheaper.  After just a week, some local gas stations are 
reporting a 40% decrease in gas sales.  It seems that a lot of people are
now buying in Salt Lake instead of here in Orem.

I ran my 87 Chevy Blazer nearly empty on Thursday and gassed up with the
new fuel.  I can't notice any difference in power, but it looks like 
my fuel economy has dropped off by about 1 mpg.

What the hell, if it saves some pollution in the air and only costs 3 or4
cents then I am game.  I will however, wait and see with the sleds.  My
dealer is currently doing some testing with the new fuel so maybe he
can give me some info in a few weeks.


Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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Date: Mon,  2 Nov 92 09:20:48 MST
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: Carb on ski doo
Distribution: na
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)

In article <Nov02.035313.72754@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> maxfield@CS.ColoState.EDU (jason maxfield) writes:
>
>Did you say that if you run the fuel to thin like 40:1 it will have 
>bad performance ??    My guess is that it will because of the added 
>heat. I sure hope the thick 20:1 give me some performance as well
>as a good feeling about lubrication. I will hope for snow and post
>the results of any test I might do next week untill then think snow.
>

Actually, it has been my experience that a snowmobile runs terrific
just before a meltdown.  The lean mixture lets it run really hot and
mean until the pistons melt and pour out the exhaust port.

Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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Date: Mon,  2 Nov 92 08:54:33 MST
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Oxygenated fuels
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield)


You guessed it, my county has been placed on the EPA's bad list for
exhaust emmisions so starting yesterday, we are getting only oxygenated
fuel at the gas stations.

The refiners say that there will be a reduction in power with these
fuels.  My concern is if it will be damaging to my sled.  Anyone have
any experience with these fuels.  They say that Denver has been using
them for quite some time.

Info??

Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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From: v088j4k4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MAIL EXCLUSIVELY FROM..CHET)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Re: Carburator adjustments
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bx3nL2.Mwq@fc.hp.com>, ec@fc.hp.com (Edgar_Circenis) writes...

Stuff deleted!

>Well, I got the carburator adjusted.  It seems to be running "smoothly" now.
>It must have been way too lean.  A few more complete turns on the needle
>solved the problem.  For anyone else who cares, the engine is a 2 cylinder,
>500cc Hirth.
> 
>One remaining problem with the engine is that the lighting coil seems to be
>lunched (it's a good thing I've got a recoil starter).  I can get a
>replacement from Dennis Kirk for about $13, but I'm not sure how to go about
>replacing it.  I have taken the recoil starter, and various other parts off
>the engine until the only thing left was the "fan".  This fan is held on by
>a single 1" (or so) nut.  What I would like to know is what will happen if
>I take this nut off?  Will I be able to get it back on (tight?)?  Will
>anything else come off besides the "fan"?  The "fan" has some holes drilled
>in it for balancing.  Is this balace for the fan itself, or for the whole
>engine?
> 
>And, finally, the most important questions:  Is the lighting coil behind
>the fan?  How do I tell the lighting coil from the ignition coils?

Edgar,
	Well, its good to see that you got your carb adjusted. To get to
all the coils, you do have to take the flywheel/fan off. You'll need
to take the nut off, I think its around 1 3/16" , but not positive. After
you get the nut off (a flywheel tool is handy to hold it with out breaking
off the blades) you should soak the keyway with a penetrating oil for a day
or so to loosen up some rust. You'll need a flywheel/gear puller. Mine
was a royal pain to get off. After the flywheel is removed, you can 
trace the wire that runs your lights right to its coil. You should measure
the open gap so you can put it back with the proper gap. As for the holes in
the flywheel, some are for balancing the flywheel and others are for a type
of flywheel/gear puller, I don't recommend using this kind though. Once 
again good luck and let us know how things turn out!
						Jon
> 
>Oh, by the way, it's snowing here in Fort Collins, Colorado as I type.. :-)
> 

It's suppose to snow in Buffalo tomorrow - Gotta love it!

>Edgar "First test run on snow will be tonight..."

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'Riding an antique Ski-Doo is better than nothing at all'

V088J4K4@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU				JON CHETWYND
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From: dspooner@ua.d.umn.edu (dave spooner)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: INDY XLT
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:29:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu


I was able to put about 25 miles on my XLT last week and thought I would post
my impression of the machine.  To start out with, I have to say that it is
really quick - as quick as any stock 650, or even the RXL.  I think they will
even be close on top end.  When I first started riding it I was in about 10
inches of powder, and it didn't seem much quicker than a 500..  But when I
got on some hard pack - what a difference.  I was going about 30 mph, punched
the throttle, and the skis came up a foot and a half off the ground and
stayed that way until 65 - 70 mph or so.  Its really quick - but not that
quick.  The new ITS rear suspension transfers weight way too fast, and too
much weight transfers.  Its hard to keep the front end on the ground, even
without studs.  I did alot of adjusting on the rear suspension, so I'll have
to see how it is when we get some more snow.  I'm curious to see how the
STORM runs with the ITS suspension??  

Overall I'm pretty happy with it.  Its really light, handles great, and I
think it will suprise a few bigger sleds on the lakes.  I think the new
580 motor is going to be a perfect for trail or lake.  There isn't any
vibration in the sled at any speed.  The Dec. SnowGoer picked it #1 out of
the PLUS EFI, EXT 580Z, EXCITER SX, and I definitely have to agree with what
they wrote.  Now it just has to SNOW!!!!

Dave Spooner
 
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From: peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling)
Subject: Re: Quick Question from Quicksilver!
Originator: peder@tamarack
Reply-To: peder@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:09:09 CST


In article <1992Nov12.225533.17705@exu.ericsson.se>, lmcansi@noah.ericsson.se (Andrew Silver) writes:
> Where are the *Twin Cities*, anyway?  Sorry to be so ignorant,
> but I've asked around, and everyone's heard of it, but nobody
> knows the answer!
> 
> 
> 
> Quicksilver!
> 
> '71 Bombardier Elan
> '90 Suzuki Katana 600

The "Twin Cities" are Saint Paul/Minneapolis, which are in Minnesota.

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From: lmcansi@noah.ericsson.se (Andrew Silver)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Quick Question from Quicksilver!
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:50:23 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.



Quicksilver!

'71 Bombardier Elan
'90 Suzuki Katana 600
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: PSI catalog
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:36:09 CST



If anybody gets a hold of the PSI Performance parts catalog take a look
at the center page where they have some color photos of racing.

There is a nice picture there of Barker's Racing. It includes two sleds, the
Pro Stock and the Super Stock, the two owners, the driver, and the hauler is
in the background.

Also pictured on that page is some of our competition, Jim Dimmerman and
Gary Cable, who both are also sponsered by PSI.

-Dean
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:46:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.154359.16531@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
>Can anybody tell me if the Indy 650 uses dual fuel pumps and if it
>does are there duel two pickup lines from the fuel tank?
>
>Thanks

I don't remember if it has two pumps but it only has one fuel
pickup. If it had two, one would require two outlets.
I havent had the carbs out yet this year but I believe it has three single 
output Mikuni/Polaris fuel pumps.
If you really curious about the number - I can check tonight. 
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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:43:59 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Can anybody tell me if the Indy 650 uses dual fuel pumps and if it
does are there duel two pickup lines from the fuel tank?

Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
From: don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard)
Subject: Re: Season tune-up 
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:58:09 GMT

In article <}}#@byu.edu> bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield) writes:
>
>Well, I pulled the clutches and carbs off of the machines last night in
>order to perform a little preseason maintance.  Looks like I will be able
>to get out and atleast tune ride a little this weekend.
>
>I am curious as to what preseason maintenance you perform on your machines.
>I store mine through the summer after having drained the carbs at the 
>end of the season.  My preseason maintenance goes as follows.
>
>
>Clean, lube, and otherwise service clutches
>Disassemble and clean carbs
>Lube all chassis points possible (I have installed greese zerts on all my
>suspension parts).
>Check antifreeze for proper level and change if dirty 
>Completely drain fuel tank and dry with clean rag
>Change chain case oil
>Align and tighten track
>Chekc all pivots
>Chekc traction products(paddles and skags)
>Check brake pads
>Check ski alignment
>Check brake fluid level
>Lube throttle cables and choke cables
>Retorque engine bolts and check every bolt I can get a wrench on.
>Scrub drive belt with soap and water
>Put everything back in its place, fill with gas and oil.
>
>There are probably a couple of other small things I do like check all the
>lights, but that is about the extent of it.
>
>What does your list look like?
>I imagine some lists are fairly simple like...

Looks like you've covered all the bases. I take mine to the car
wash now and then to blast the engine compartment clean. The
suspension gets hosed down after every trip either at home or the
car wash. This keeps the salt content down. I also sand and paint
the exhaust and ski's, drop the rear and front suspension and manually clean
all bushings and shafts then re-grease. Check all the wheel
bearings to make sure none have seized. Two of them were shot on my
sled. I found them the other night. I found them in the wheels at
the rear of the slide suspension. They were totally shot... not
even a good cleaning would help. My guess is they take the most beating 
during turns. The inside one is fine.

Two questions: 
First... why wash the drive belt??? Or are you the type that wipes
the engine down after a ride?? :-) 

Second... did you drill your suspension bolts when you installed the 
grease zerks?? Or did you buy the kit from Metalman???



don
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Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: Indy 650 fuel pumps?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:00:05 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

don@tellabs.com (Donald Leonard) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.154359.16531@col.hp.com> chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice) writes:
> 
> I don't remember if it has two pumps but it only has one fuel
> pickup.

Thanks for the info, I was interested in the number of pickups from the 
tank. I run two pumps on my Rotaris fed from two pickups. I put an 
additional pickup in the stock tank. I'm going to put a later model large
tank on the sled and I thought I might get a tank with two pickups. It
sounds like I probably don't need two of them.

Thanks to Dan for the info, also.
From: rob.twilt@rose.com (rob twilt)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Meltdown
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:47:12 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 11-05-92 20:43

B(>Actually, it has been my experience that a snowmobile runs terrific
B(>just before a meltdown.  The lean mixture lets it run really hot and
B(>mean until the pistons melt and pour out the exhaust port.

     AHHH The sweet smell of solder!!!!

                Rob

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From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: Where did everybody go?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:00:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes:
> I suppose all you lucky @^%$!^s out west and up north are riding, eh?
 
A bunch of us are going to give it a try Saturday in the Colorado Rockies.

> So how do those new XLT's perform?  Is the article in the latest Snowgoer

Maybe we'll get to find out how the XLT SKS works in deep powder. I'll let
you know if we find anything interesting.
From: rob.twilt@rose.com (rob twilt)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: XLT Special
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:46:06 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 11-05-92 20:43

P(P>On a lighter note, This first snowfall has been just enough to wet the appi
P(P>I was able to take the sled out into the field near my house and run her up
P(P>down a couple of times....This sled is awesome! Can't wait to take her out
P(P>a trail and log a few miles!!

P(P>Patrick J. Perro              Indy 580 XLT                 The comments lis
P(P>Cray Research Inc.                                         above are my own
P(P>655F Lone Oak Dr.                                          that of my emplo
P(P>Eagan, MN. 55121                                           (unless specific
P(P>pjp@fig.cray.com                                           noted).

OK Patrick you've got me freakin here.  Tell me how great it is.  I
should have mine by the end of next week.  Snow is in the forecast for
tonight.

                       Rob

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From: lmcansi@noah.ericsson.se (Andrew Silver)
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
Subject: Quick Question from Quicksilver!
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:55:33 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Where are the *Twin Cities*, anyway?  Sorry to be so ignorant,
but I've asked around, and everyone's heard of it, but nobody
knows the answer!



Quicksilver!

'71 Bombardier Elan
'90 Suzuki Katana 600
Newsgroups: alt.snowmobiles
From: chuck@col.hp.com (Chuck Rice)
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuels
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:07:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield) writes:
> 
> The refiners say that there will be a reduction in power with these
> fuels.  My concern is if it will be damaging to my sled.  Anyone have
> any experience with these fuels.  They say that Denver has been using
> them for quite some time.

We have been using this stuff in Colorado for a number of years.
Most of the fuel suppliers use MTBE rather than alcohol. I have seen
lots of sleds using this stuff with no jet changes and no problems but 
it sure makes me wonder. I didn't see much difference the first few
years when it was 10% except for fuel economy. Last year, however, it
changed to a 14% requirement. My low compression truck started pinging
so bad that I had to back the timing off about 5 degrees. I still have
not seen any problems that look like they were caused by the fuel in
snowmobiles.

We are very careful to avoid alcohol if at all possible so this probably 
doesn't help. I guess if you set your machine up with the worst fuel you
can get, you may lose a little performance but it should be safe. If you
are jetted one number rich you probably won't lose much performance.

If you have your choice of MTBE or alcohol, go with the MTBE.   
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From: v093p9ax@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthony V Zumpano)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,misc.headlines,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: 5 U.S. Senators Are Space Aliens!
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <DBROOKS.92Oct26210028@penge.osf.org>, dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes...
>egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>> >	Is this the same alien that is the same height as all three 
>> >candidates, even though all the candidates are different heights?
>> 
>> Glancing at what may be called the Special Election Day Special of the
>> Weekly World News, maybe.  The cover photo has the alien between
>> Clinton and Bush (go to your local supermarket to see it), but Bill
>> and George are about the same height.  No sign of Perot, though the
>> alien, I believe, did talk to Ross.
> 
>Bill is a half-inch taller than George, according to an NPR item a while
>back.  Apparently the tallest candidate often has the statistical edge.
> 
>But, surely, height adjustment is no problemo for the advanced bio-
>engineering we should expect from Them.  It's probably a skill particularly
>developed in their diplomats as they establish a position of dominance or
>equality vis-a-vis -- you get the idea.
> 
>(I wish I could link this up with the Charles I/Napoleon thread...)
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>Three more months!  Three more months!
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From: lohsej@pell2l2.alleg.edu (James Lohse)
Subject: French Legal System
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:40:45 GMT

Is there someone out there that can steer me in the right direction?  I  
need to find  information on where to find a source that might be able to  
send me information on the French legal system.  Obviously this info will  
need to be in depth because my senior thesis will have to deal with some  
major aspect of the French Legal system.
Any info will be appreciated
Jim Lohse


E-mail me at lohsej@alleg.edu
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