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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:51:05 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Christmas Favorites

Good King Jeremy went down.... (don't bother figuring it out...assume I'm
being filthy...)

>King Jeremy the Wicked (who graduates in four days)

May I extend my sincerest congratulations - - Of course I may!
Congratulations!


Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      weird album covers

On the subject of album covers,

_Naked City_ has a picture of a guy with his head smashed open as it
came into contact with the sidewalk.  He must've fallen from
several stories.  It's a John Zorn album, so I guess it fits.

Mike
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From:         RANDY_GOLDBERG <goldberg@MAILER.NYMC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Glass and Christmas music (not related!!! Ugh, what a t

 My favorite Marsha-n (mjferzig@midway.uchicago.edu) writes:
 >OMC - I love
 >Christmas music - singing it, listening to it...What's your favorite
 >holiday carol and why? (Feel free to say "The Dreidel Song" if you like -
 >but it's got little redeeming musical value...)

  Poisonally (says the little old Jewish accent), I like "Oy Chanukah, Oy
 Chanukah, a yontev a freylich..." <grinning and ducking from whatever
 Marsha is throwing New York-bound>

 Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year to all!

 P.S. Hey Marsha, don't forget "three fat chicks and a duck"!

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From:         Mick Jeffries <MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      re: Bossanova quandary

Thanks MWM, glad to find another fan. Would you agree with my assessment of
 Rock-n-roll basically burying bossanova, which at the time was quite popular?
 It's totally wonderful music, I think, easily overcheesed but marvelous in
 the right hands.  Astrud did overcheese some too (I guess that's what you
 mean by "checkered" past) with standards but more often than not, they still
 came out adorable. Like Gershwyn's "It Might As Well Be Spring".  Which I
 think would also be great sung by Elmer Fudd:  "I'm as westless as a willow
 in a wainstorm"  ;-)

But I'm still lookin' for a vocal version of "Wave"; Anybody?

And, hey MWM, are you looking down yr. nose at Martin Denny or just noting
 that he's not (necessarily) bossanova?  Plenty o' samba influence, y'gotta
 admit.  No, I just happen to value Astrud and Martin both as some of the
 finest party music ever (as a creative challenge, I try to avoid rock music
 at parties; this policy has produced some very lively soirees, too).

Incidentally, Sinead did a just shitty version of "How Insensitive" on her
 new one. :-p

             Mick
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From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Acid Jazz

    I ran across a CD in the local CD store (amazing, eh?) that was a
compilation, you know one of those Various Artist things.  Anyway it
was labeled Acid Jazz, and had a lot of artists I'd never heard of
before.  I didn't buy it, cause I had no money (sometimes I just go
to look and drool), but I was very intrigued nonetheless.  Does
annyone know anything about this?  Is this a new form of jazz?
Beyond fusion, etc?  Can anyone explain it's sound to me?  Can anyone
lend me 15 bucks to go buy it?
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:55:48 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      just when you thought it was safe...

According to Libby Doe, word out on the street is that our resident old fart
Ken Koester has been tossed in jail on his 40th birthday... the charge was
something related to indecent exposure: he whipped out his crumhorn in
an inappropriate public place...  :*)  This, of course, is the reason why
he hasn't contributed a drunken birthday update yet...

I hope it was worth it, Kenny baby...

Birthday smooches,
Carol

OMC:  Happy Birthday to you
      You belong in a zoo...
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:43:49 EST
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Subject:      Re: The deluge part 2: gurls in bands

Dear Jeff,
  I'm relieved not to have a flamefest on my hands. Do you agree with
Maitre Bloom about her recent music, or no?
Cheers,
MWM
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:04:00 LCL
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Subject:      holidays

please do not send me messages from today till
January 10th 1993
thanks
      Volker
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On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:40:22 EST Kimberly Wasilewski said:
>Even if President-elect Clinton likes differen't music, which is really that
>bad.  I mean did amyone ever ask Pres. Bush what he listens to...talk about yuk
>I mean, after you get by Michael Bolton's hair, he is a very good singer.  I
>think.  What do you think a 40 or so man would listen to....Bobby Brown or

Just ask there are some 40 yr old men on this list my friends 40+ don't
listen to Micheal Bolton, age has nothing to do with musical taste...L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:15:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Siouxie and the Banshees

>From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM

>Siuoxie and the Banshees were definitely part of the early punk scene though.

Indeed they were.  Their first gig was the infamous first Punk Festival
at the 100 Club.  Sid Vicious played drums.  The idea was the band would
make noise while Siouxie recited the Lord's Prayer.  They thought they
might make it as far as "forgive us our trespasses" before somebody
pulled the plug.  However, the early punk scene was surprising tolerant,
nobody pulled the plug, and the band was forced to stagger through an
unplanned ending.

The Banshees also held out longer than any of the other major punk bands
before signing a recording contract.  And finally the early albums have
been released on US CDs, although _The Scream_ is the British version
of the album, not the American; i.e. it does not include the hit single
"Hong Kong Gardens".  You have to buy the singles collection to get that.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:48:24 EST Scott Hammer said:
>On NPR's _Morning Edition_ this morning, there was a story about President-
>elect Clinton's leisure-time activities.  The two musicians (aside from
>Elvis) who were mentioned as current Clinton favorites were Michael Bolton
>and Kenny G.

And just think the conservatives had Lee Atwater a Blues Man, he even shared
the stage with B.B. King....Boy did we screw up.......:-).......L.W.
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HEY!!  What about me?!?!!  Mike!  Oh sorry.  "Drumma",
you forgot to mention ME in your list!!  I have been
on here since 88 too!!!!  Sheesh!  Go figure that one.


janet
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:43:37 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl vs Tape vs. CD vs...
              16 Dec 1992 19:53:47 EST from <EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU>

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:53:47 EST Michael said:
>Greetings from the greatest little state in the union...

Back atcha, from the state of slimiest politics in the union :-)

>I have been reading comments from several artists (Zappa, etc.) regarding
>digital.  In a nutshell, they say it completely sucks.  Apart from CD's
>being a complete ripoff in some stores (17.99 for some plastic, aluminum, and
>paper?!?!) does anyone have any comments regarding the actual sound quality
>of digital vs. tape vs. vinyl?

Depends on many things - the type of listening, the quality of associated
components (speakers, amp, etc.), the listener her/himself, etc. It may be
somewhat moot soon, as a couple of techniques for improving CD sound are on
the way. Sony has something called Super Bit Map (SBM) which uses a 20 bit
master to make a 16 bit CD with, they claim, virtually no detectable dropoff
in sonic quality. Early reports I've seen concur. Pacific Microsonics has a
process they call HDCD (*not* High Definition CD, but something I can't now
remember), which they claim is even better than SBM. SBM is a one way process,
which means that the consumer doesn't have to buy anything to take advantage
of it but a CD made with it. (This is a Good Thing.) HDCD can be used that
way or with an added chip (cheap - most of the smarts are in the encoding
process) in the CD player which will yield slightly better results. There are
a couple of SBM CD's available from Sony - one is the Kathleen Battle/Wynton
Marsalis Baroque Duets disc. Others to follow soon in a series named 'Royal'.

>I think that the quality of a CD is greatly
>altered by the player (not just a little.)  Other than that, I don't really
>have any comments, besides the fact that some of my DDD CD's sound completely
>empty.  Any comments?

I would agree, in theory, but I haven't spent much time comparing players in
some time. A friend of mine who is decidedly not an audiophile (but very much
a music lover) traded in his 1 1/2 year old Sony for a Nakamichi early this
year, and said he noticed a big improvement in sound quality. Can't say if the
Sony was operating properly though - it may have been out of spec.

My opinion on mediums for recording is that it's *far* more important that a
recording engineer know how to use the medium. You can make excellent record-
ings in digital or analog. DDD is virtually meaningless, except for the idiots
(I know a couple of these) who refuse to play anything 'analog' on their CD
players. Sheesh. You can make a bad DDD recording as easily as a bad AAD or
AAA recording. If you want to here a DDD CD done correctly, check out some of
the Chesky or DMP recordings.

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:35:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      we have come for your children

>From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>

>You know, thinking back on the rather genteel music I grew up with, I wonder
>what's to become of my bouncy nine-month-old boy. Will he grow up dancing in
>circles, singing, "Triangle man, triangle man; triangle man hates particle
>man"? ;-)

I have a friend who has two sons that he exposed to a lot of Jethro Tull.
He says they used to march around singing "Aqualung".  Except they didn't
realize that was the name of the song.  So when the elementary school
teacher asked, "what's your favorite song?" and the kids answered,
"Feeling like a dead duck", there was a hastily summoned parent-teacher
conference.

Sigh, I suppose it's just as well I don't have children.  I don't have
to anticipate the call from teacher when they start singing Hawkwind
lyrics.

"Starfish of human blood shape
 Tentacles of human gore
 Spread out on the pavement
 From the ninety-ninth floor"

 Bob Calvert "High Rise"

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan STate University
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:44:50 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mr. Bungle
              11 Dec 1992 15:29:05 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:29:05 CST crispen said:
>+----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
>| Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen     | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>| crispen@foxy.boeing.com    | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>|                            | KnoCk knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>|                            | Knock knock. WhO's there? Phillip Glass.|
>|                            | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass.|
>|                            | Knock knock. Who's theRe? Phillip Glass.|
>|                            | Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip GlAss.|
>+----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
>
You are a sick, sick person.  Please get professional help immediately!
Didn't I warn you about eating those mushrooms?

-Scott "Stunned (Nearly) Speechless" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:11:04 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Album Covers

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:10:00 CST Leonard asked:
>
>What is the strangest/wildest album cover you've seen.
>

_Mom's Apple Pie_, a completely forgettable band produced by one-time Grand
Funk impresario Terry Knight.  I believe the estimable Mr McIntyre described
the details of this album-cover painting once before (the group was from his
neck o' the woods, after all), but for those who missed it: the painting
depicted a young lady holding a freshly-baked pie with one slice missing.
The cut-out section of the pie thus faced the viewer; at the point of the
cut was a clearly detailed vaginal opening. The young lady was licking her
lips. Rarely does one get a chance to see such exquisitely detailed
tastelessness.

>What is your favorite album cover.
>

Phillip Garris' cover of the Dead's _Blues For Allah_ is strikingly
beautiful. My actual favorite is the Clash's _London Calling_: pink-and-green
block lettering deliberately recalls Elvis' first album, and the photo of
Paul Simonon destroying his bass is pure rock & roll theater.

>What is the srangest/wildest band name.
>

How about Elvis Hitler?


>Favorite band name.......How did Pink Floyd come up with their name.

Favorite band name... the Who.

Pink Floyd was named after two bluesmen so obscure that even I can't
recall their names. ;-)

>NMC: Did you have to memorize the Gettysburg Address, children still have
>to do it....What's the purpose of doing this, did it help you later in
>life.......L.W.

I would like to think the purpose of memorizing it is to show that one can
be both eloquent and brief. Hmmm... maybe our politicians should study it.

David
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:40:00 EST
From:         WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

Date sent:  14-DEC-1992 21:38:59
>From:  IN%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET"  "Discussions on all forms of Music" 14-DEC-19
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>
>I think everyone is being too serious it's the holidays.  We are all grown up
>and know that the problems of today's world are not going away by themselves.
>Now, Everyone is soooo pissed, why doesn't everyone clam the hell down!!!

Right on baby!
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: New Thread

Mike-
>
>True, but it shouldn't stop women from jamming on these instruments!
>I think it would be refreshing to hear a voice, piano, violin and
>flute ensemble doing a new thang with what they got.  Heck, it may
>even start a new genre of women's music.  A liitle jazz influence,
>a little bit of folk-rock, and you got a cool hybrid!

Look hon, you know damn well i agree with you. I'd like nothing more than
to see a music industry which wasn't run by people with marketing degrees.
Then people would get exposed to all sorts of neat stuff and everyone would
feel that they could make great music whether or not it was commercially
useful.... I would love to hear the band you describe above - when they
manage to get enough money together to make a record, please send me a
copy....


Marsha "feeling cynical today" F.

P.S. Congratulate me - I've just completed my very first law school final!



Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:36:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      One more log into the fire

Well, I'm gonna jump into this short message attack this list seems to be
suffering from tonight...

Sometime over the weekend I was deleted from the list. If anyone sent any
replies to the list directed at me (especially re: Pearl Jam Unplugged show)
please resend it to me privately. This archive stuff is giving me a fit.

Thanks,
Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:36:09 -0800
From:         "Timothy M. Williams" <twillia@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Softens heads while you do dishes!

Perhaps tachist school applies to Ligeti, and if you stretch, it can apply
to Penderecki.  However, the appropriate title for the music of Xenakis is
stochastic (from the Greek meaning games) music.  Xenakis' music is based
on probabibility theory which is carefully worked out.

On Sat, 12 Dec 1992, Jeff Beer wrote:

> In article <ALLMUSIC%92121111340219@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom"
> <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
> >Will you kindly explain this? What is the "tachist" school?
>
> Is "tachist" too tough for your dictionary?  The tachist school has been
> given to composers like Penderecki and perhaps Xenakis and Ligeti.  If
> you know their works, then you know what it means.  It is music that is
> based on more transient acoustical events, and not so much pitches and
> melodies and metered rhythms.
>
> Jeff
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From:         Jim Grubb <JIMG@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (V): What a Man of 40 Listens to
              These Day s

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:45:25 EST Ken Koester said:
>It was
>=The Dave Grisman Quintet=, and like I said, there were riffs copped from all
>over.  The line notes said they took to calling it Dawg music, and that was
>fine by me, ......
The newly formed David Grisman Quintet opened for John Hartford at a nice
music club in San Francisco many years ago. A couple of friends and I had
basically gone to see Hartford but were aware of Grisman from Old and in the
Way. Well he absolutely blew the place away. Like you said Ken it was swing
and jazz and bluegrass and whatever. It was extremely tight and intense.
When they would end a song there would be just dead quiet for a few seconds
while everybody gave a collective sigh and then applause. A terrific show
made all the better by the fact that it was a surprise. At least 2 of the
guys, Mike Marshall and Darol Anger, are now Windham hill guys and what little
I have heard of them doesn't really thrill me. Tony Rice has a least of couple
of solo albums but likewise I have never found them to have the same life as
the first Grisman album. Grisman recently played an accoustic show with
Garcia that got good reviews but I didn't see it. But for an album and at
least the show I saw, they were great. Glad I was under 40 back then so I could
REALLY appreciate it. ;-)
JimG
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:25:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      female rock bands

>From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

>Now, what I'd really like to know is why so many female rock bands
>break up.  Runaways, Heart, Bangles, and now I hear Babes In Toyland
>is about to break up.  I am praying that this trend doesn't stop until
>Wilson Phillips bites the dust, but that's probably too much to
>hope for.

Well, the Runaways were a manufactured band ala the Monkees, so the real
wonder is how they stayed together as long as they did.

As for Heart, were they ever more than 40% female (two out of five band
members?)  If Ann and Nancy Wilson are splitting up, hey, they're siblings.
Precedents include the Everly Brothers and the Kinks who were known to
indulge in physical violence on stage.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Spamfest (was RE: playing records w

>Thanks for trying to be helpful Timmy.  You know those extra three or four
>neurons I use for walking are always freed up cause I'm confined to a
>wheelchair.  I'll try and figure it though.

  Well, damn, how embarrassing.  But ya know, from here
it sure seemed like a mental handicap, not a physical
one.  Maybe you got blessed with both?

  Just what we need, another hot shit freshman who likes
to piss people off.  Yeah, what a giant.  It just tears
my heart, too, to read your insightful posts about the
problems "rappant" in society - you're a regular miss america,
aren't ya.  "I wanna stop hunger and help animals"  Whooee.
But it's the bikini contest that counts.  Besides, you left
off one of the more immediate problems - little shits who can't
think and can't spell and get a sense of self-importance
from making asses of themselves in public.  Yeah, we noticed
you.  Big fucking deal.

  You like punk and electronic confrontation?  Protein powder
supplements will make a man of you just as quickly, and won't
leave the bad taste in our mouths.

                            -Tim
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