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From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Opposition party against the partition of Iraq (fwd)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 01:38:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
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>From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Subject: Opposition party against the partition of Iraq
Date: 14 Nov 92 18:51:25 GMT

        BEIRUT, Lebanon (UPI) -- An Iraqi opposition party Saturday called for
the preservation of Iraq's unity and rejected any plan to partition the
Arab country.
        The Islamic Daawa Party said in a statement released in Beirut said
``the Iraqi people is one family not subject to any partition.''
        The Daawa call came as the foreign ministers of Syria, Turkey and
Iran met in Ankara to discuss the situation in northern Iraq, where
Iraqi Kurds have set up a de facto state.
        The opposition group based in Tehran, Iran appealed to all Iraqi
opposition groups to protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity
of Iraq. It also appealed to neighboring countries ``to help consolidate
our will in order to preserve our country's unity and independence.''
        Daawa urged the opposition groups to join efforts and agree on a new
strategy to serve the interests of the Iraqi people and accelerate its
liberation from the ``dictatorship'' of the Iraqi President Saddam
Hussein.
        The group warned against establishing ``a region in southern Iraq
similar to the Kurdistan area, which would only result in further
political and security problems that would affect the whole Iraqi
people.''
        Iraqi Kurds launched an uprising against Saddam after Iraq's defeat
in the Persian Gulf War at the hands of the U.S.-led allied forces.
Iraqi troops have battled to quash the Kurdish guerrillas, as well as
fundamentalist Muslim rebels who staged a parallel uprising in southern
Iraq.
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From: hk28+@andrew.cmu.edu (Han Kiliccote)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turkish Alphabet on PC?
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:32:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cf4O8oy00WB8EuXnkg
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,
1. To define Turkish characters in WordPerfect you have to way:
    a) For DOS and Windows wordperfect. Start WordPerfect with "wp
/cp=853" and define the keyboard (if you are using WordPerfect for
windows select language as Turkish from preferences)
    b) If you are using DOS WordPerfect, use a generic keyboard mapper.
Different implementations exists, I recommend the one that comes with
DR-DOS

In both ways WordPerfect is smart enough to generate fonts and printer
coammands necessary to display and print Turkish characters. (exept in
DOS mode you may need to use a font changer program (usually evailable
by your display card) to see characters in screen)

2. To define characters and fonts for other Windows programs (including
WordPerfect) if you are a registered Windows user, ask Microsoft to send
you fonts, keyboard and printer files. You may contact Link or Logo in
Turkey or ask from Microsoft Internatianal division in US.

Han 
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       Don't use signatures, they use resources.
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From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Armenian scholars on the genocide of 2.5 million Muslims.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:05:55 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Serdar--

So what?  This sounds a lot like what the IRA is doing, and what
happened in Algeria and South Vietnam.  Revolutions happen all the
time.  What's so wrong if the Armenians started one to try to free
themselves from the oppressive Ottoman yoke?

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"Denial is not just a river in Africa."
(Stuart Smalley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Kayaya
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:15:07 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

006.068  and when you see those who meddle with our revelations, withdraw from
         them until they meddle with another topic. And if satan cause you
         to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the qawm of
         wrong-doers.
 
006.068  Ayetlerimizi cekistirmeye dalanlari gorunce, baska bir bahse 
         gecmelerine kadar onlardan yuz cevir. Seytan sana unutturursa
         hatirladiktan sonra artik zulmeden ulusla beraber olma.
 
008.065  ..because they are a qawm who don not understand.
 
009.006  ..because they are a qawm who do not know.
 
005.058  ..because they are a qawm who do not use intellect.
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: ata-turk
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:20:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Subject: Re:Ata-turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK

Mr B.G.Cetiner writes:

It depends on what you understand from religious freedom. If you are 
a Yahova Witness (I am not sure about name) then you are free to do
what you like. If you are a jew or a christian, then you are free again.
But if you are a muslim then there is a question there. Sometimes 
you are free(!) sometimes not. If you are a muslim girl and want to
go to university then you are not allowed to cover your head (which
is one of the basic institutions in Islamic belief). Because you are
considered to have relationship with the enemies (what a big logic) 
without any evidence at all.  But one can cover her head if she is 
uneducated, housewife or working in an unskilled job. The more you
educated the more dangerous you are (another big logic, woooow!). 
As far as the mosques are considered, they are all open in all
Islamic world. But let me ask you a question ...
DO YOU THINK ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT TO GO TO MOSQUE AND PRAY?
--------------------------------------------

100% TRUE.

It is very sad even in your own Country you can not practice ISLAM

In Iraq the secon man after the butcher saddam, Tariq Aziz, a christian
man, issued a decree banning the HIJAB at all the universities and schools
and I remember hundered of sisters most of them use to be in their final year
left the university.
Imagin a christian scum tell the Muslims what to do and what not to do.
(of course he is a civilised man according to the west and the zionist)
The zionist movement are very active in these matters and they are 
spending millions of dollars to attak ISLAM and the MUSLIMS every 
day and every where. 
We as MUSLIMS should unite and stand together against the zionist 
organizations otherwise they will have a free han to do more and more


regards

M.G.
Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: KURAN'DA ESYA TRANSFERINE ILISKIN AYETLER: (Star Trek'ten aktaran Kaya.)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:01:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: me.1992Nov16190136.AA57705
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering


 Beytullah Gultekin Cetiner Bey her zamanki derin konular hakkinda uzun uzun
 anlatiyor ki:

    inceligi goremeyiz. Herseye su andaki bilim anlayisiyla aciklama 
    bulamazsin sayin Kaya, nitekim KUR'ANDA GORUNTU NAKLI, HATTA ESYANIN
    NAKLI KONUSUNDA ISARETLER MEVCUT. Bilim temelinde suphecidir olaylara
    bakarken dar bir acidan bakmaktadir, ispatlanmamis veya ispatlayamadigi
    bir olayi yok olarak kabul etmektedir........

 Sevgili Beytullah, goruntu naklinin nasil meydana geldigini biliyoruz.
 BENDENIZ ESYA TRANSFERIYLE ILGILI KURAN'DA UFAK BIR ARASTIRMA YAPTIM.
 BULABILDIGIM AYETLERDEN BIRISI SU:

  Enfal
  1 Ey Muhammed! Sana, ganimetlere dair soru sorarlar, de ki :"GANIMETLER
    ALLAH'IN VE PEYGAMBERINDIR. Inaniyorsaniz Allah'tan sakinin, aralarinizdaki
    munasebetleri duzeltin, Allah'a ve Peygamberine itaat edin.

  Burada goruldugu uzere, esya transferi mumkun. 14 asir once peygamber
  efendimiz basari ile esya transferi yapmistir. Ufak bir detay daha:
  esyalar tek bir yon izlemistir. O yon de peygamber efendimiz Hz. Muhammed
  (SAV)'in evi olmustur. Ayrica Kuran'da kole ve cariye transferine iliskin
  ayetler de vardir. Bunlari bilahere yayinlayacagim.
 
  Bu vesileyle Islamci kardeslerimizin fazlaca Star Trek seyrettiklerini 
  anlamis olmaktayiz. Belki Star Trek dizisini de Kuran'a bakarak
  cikarmislardir. Bu konuyu incelemek oldukca ilginc seyler uretebilir.
  Kuran ve Star Trek. Bakarsiniz Kuran-Trek dizisi ortaya cikmis ve
  basrolde de Beytullah bey kardesimiz. O role ne de guzel yakisirdi.?
  Ne dersiniz?

  saygilarimla
  ------------
  kaya
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From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:15:33 GMT

Is Ata-Turk considered a hero amongst Turks? and what about
amongst practising Muslim Turks? The reason I ask is
that all the rest of the Islamic world see him as an
evil trator who compromised Islam and turned Turkey
into a secular state.

Is there a resurgence of Islamic identity amongst Turks young/old?

Wasalaam
Masud
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Reply-To: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:25:31 GMT

In article <By18J6.BxA@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack
Campin) writes:
> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) wrote:
> > frasyid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Fuadi Rasyid) writes:
> >> [Ataturk] nullified the islamic script and brought latin alphabet. 
Indeed
> >> it was a stupid mistake that he did which made all of the people
illiterate
> >> in one night. No one honest people can deny this fact.
> > What he eliminated at that time is not the Islamic script but the
Arabic
> > script. [...]  In addition, one can learn the Roman alphabet in a
fairly
> > short amount of time. On the other hand, it would literally take
years to
> > become proficient in the Arabic script or language. Now if such a
> > transformation was needed, one had to do it.
> 
> Does anyone have any figures on what the literacy rate before 1928
was?
> The present rate must be well over 90%, comparable to any First World
> country.  I'd be surprised if it was as much as 10% when the Ottoman
> script was in use.

	During the Ottoman rule education of people has been 
	systematically ignored, which made the Sultans to rule the flock
easily.
	Only the children of the Sultans and other goverening staff like
Vezirs,
	Pashas, etc had to be schooled. Because they automatically inhereted
	the goverening rule left by their incestors.

	I am not sure but the literacy rate before 1928 has been well
	under 4%.The literacy rate of the governing people, however, makes
	a small fraction of 1%. The rest is a raugh 'literacy' which ought
	to be possesed by businesmen in order to run their business.
	Some other people were naturally interested in reading and writing
	though they haven't received any public education.

	Fuadi is full of disappointment and anger, because we no longer
	had to be barinwashed with the arabic culture. And he is using
	the same classical veapon as the fundemenatalists use
	against the turks who don't want to be brainwased with arabic culture.

	"You're bad because your not muslim". One can have quality without
	blonging to any religion. Fanatics do not understand this fact.

Selam getirmisem
Suleyman


		
> Fuadi, have you actually *tried* reading Turkish texts in the Ottoman
> script?  If not, give it a whirl and let us know how you get on...
> 
> -- 
> --  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow
University,
> 17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855
x6854 (work)
> INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041
330 4913
> BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP:
jack@glasgow.uucp
From: sadik@csa.bu.edu (Sadik Tokgoz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 12. Hafta Mac Sonuclari
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:21:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sadik@csa

Hurriyet'in NY subesinden alinan habere gore  :

12. Hafta Mac sonuclari :


Ankaragucu....: 2 - Gaziantep.......: 0
Altay.........: 2 - Bakirkoyspor....: 2
Aydinspor.....: 1 - Kayserispor.....: 1
Trabzonspor...: ? - Karsiyaka.......: ? (Ne oldugu belli degil)
Bursaspor.....: 3 - Genclerbirligi..: 2
Fenerbahce....: 1 - Besiktas........: 1
Konyaspor.....: 0 - Sariyer.........: 4
Galatasaray...: ? - Kocaelispor.....: ? (Ileri bir tarihe ertelenmis)

 -- Sadik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: KURANDAKI LAUBALI AYETLER (part II)
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:04:20 GMT


 Kuran'da daha once de belirttigim gibi, bir cok ilginc ayet bulunmakta.
Gerek o donemin gelenekleri, gerekse peygamberin kizdigi olaylar hakkinda,
peygamberin sanki Allah gonderiyormuscasina urettigi ayetler, oldukca garip
emirler iceriyor.

 Asagidaki surede, peygamber kendisine yuksek sesle seslenen insanlardan
bunalmis olacak ki, sinirli bir ifadeyle diyor ki: " Benim yanimda yuksek
sesle bagirmayiniz." Ayrica Allah Muhammed'e "Bos ver Muhammed, takma kafana" 
turunden de bir ayet gondermeyi unutmuyor.

Hucurat Suresi
  1 Ey inananlar! Allah'tan ve peygamberinden one gecmeyin; Allah'tan
    sakinin; dogrusu Allah isitir ve bilir.
  2 Ey inananlar! SESLERINIZI, PEYGAMBERIN SESINI BASTIRACAK SEKILDE
    YUKSELTMEYIN. Farkina varmadan, islediklerinizin bosa gitmemesi icin,
    peygambere birbirinize bagirdiginiz gibi yuksek sesle bagirmayin.
  3 Seslerini peygamberin yaninda kisan kimseler, Allah'in gonullerini
    takva ile sinadigi kimselerdir. Onlara maarifet ve ecir vardir.
  4 Ey Muhammed! SANA ODALARIN OTESINDEN SESLENENLERIN COGU AKLETMEYEN
    KIMSELERDIR.
  5 Eger onlar, sen yanlarina cikincaya kadar sabretselerdi, suphesiz onlar
    icin daha iyi olurdu. Allah bagislayandir, merhamet edendir.

 Goruldugu uzere, Muhammed'in uydurdugu ayetler o anin gereklerine gore
 ortaya cikmis. Islamci arkadaslar her ne derlerse desinler, Kuran
 Muhammed'in keyfine hukumler iceriyor. Insanlari kendisi uyaramayinca,
 Allah'in agzindan uyariyor.

 saygilarimla
 ------------
 kaya
From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Gagging at the mess of "visser the revisionist"s lies.
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:14:38 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <9211151640@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
|> In article <14676.2b0672bb@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
|> 
|> >  Wait a moment, Mutlu. Isn't Turkish goverment just completing
|> >the final solution of Kurdish question by exterminating
|> >Kurds in Northern Iraq and Eastern Turkey, eh ?
|> 
|> It could be, perhaps, that your head wasn't screwed on just right, "vizzy".
|> And this must be a common comprehension level shared by all the members
|> of the KGB. The PKK, the Marxist Kurdish Workers Party, was created by the 
|> KGB (vizzy's favorite clown). PKK is a pawn in the hands of the neighboring 
|> countries and Germany who have sinister designs on Turkiye. 

Hey, if you 've got problems with the Germans, you better stop buying weapons from them. Most of the weaponry Turkey bought a month ago was the rest of the NVA (Nationale Volks Armee = National People's Army), with which lots of Kurds were murdered...


|> Serdar Argic
|> 
|>                      'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
|>                       We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
|>                       serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
|>                       then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
|>                                                        (Ohanus Appressian)
|> 

-- 
Panos Tsiantopoulos.
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:02:51 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:

[regarding western civilization]

>Yes, with its Roses and Thorns; AIDS, adolescence, of course,
>Inflation, and every dirts. In the name of WHAT.......?

Interesting, non western cultures don't have adolescence?
And non western cultures don't have inflation? And AIDS is
a western plot? Your flights of fancy rival  those of
the most impulsive westerners who search for 'islamic fundamentalism'
under every rock!

>Come on guys, hadi AT'a binip AT'taya gidin hep beraber.

Onu bilmem ama senin dinlenmeye ihtiyacin var. Zaten UK'desin
AT'a gitmissin, baskalarinin gitmesine niye karsisin?

Boyle soze boyle cevap!

>Regards
>BGC

-- 
Serdar Boztas
posting from someone else's account with their permission
normally at serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au
From: gt0702a@prism.gatech.EDU (Muzaffer Kayhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: retest
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:36:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This is just a test. Test test neden hala okuyorsun!!

-- 
Muzaffer Kayhan
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0702a
Internet: gt0702a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: Ahmet Arman <aarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: re-mustafa unlu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:43:32 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

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From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Subject: 1.Lig mac sonuclari
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:38:12 GMT

Hey !

 Kocaeli-Fener            2:1
 G.Saray-Sariyer          0:0
 G.Birligi-Trabzon        2:2
 Bakirkoy-Ankaragucu      1:2
 Kayseri-Altay            1:0
 Besiktas-Bursa           3:1
 Gaziantep-Konya          6:2
 Karsiyaka-Aydin          0:2

evet buydu !


---
Birol Akdemir
Adress :
e-mail: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:36:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


In article <By18J6.BxA@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
|emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) wrote:
|> frasyid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Fuadi Rasyid) writes:
|>> [Ataturk] nullified the islamic script and brought latin alphabet.  Indeed
|>> it was a stupid mistake that he did which made all of the people illiterate
|>> in one night. No one honest people can deny this fact.
|> What he eliminated at that time is not the Islamic script but the Arabic
|> script. [...]  In addition, one can learn the Roman alphabet in a fairly
|> short amount of time. On the other hand, it would literally take years to
|> become proficient in the Arabic script or language. Now if such a
|> transformation was needed, one had to do it.
|
|Does anyone have any figures on what the literacy rate before 1928 was?
|The present rate must be well over 90%, comparable to any First World
|country.  I'd be surprised if it was as much as 10% when the Ottoman
|script was in use.
|

+Does anyone have any figures on what the literacy rate before 1924 was?
+and after change of script until 1938 what was the rate of literacy
+in new script? 

+Dou you consider us fool Jack? Dou you sincerely think he changed the
+script for sake of literacy percentage? Did he as from people of Turkey
+for the change, answer me you so called "soldiers of democracy"?

+Lami 

There was a discussion about the literacy rate in another net so I have asked a
professor from one of the universities in Istanbul. He told me that there was
a poll around 1905 about literacy rate (carried out by a French
organization). Results were %95 percent of the population were able to
read. He was not sure about the number for the people who can read and
write. This was quite reasonable because everbody was learning how to
read Qur'an. People were using almost the same letters of Qur'an in
their life. Even today I think the rate of the people who can read 
Qur'an is much higher than the people who can read Latin scripts.
I don't know if any study done on this.

Regards 
Beytullah
                         

 





|
|-- 
|--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
|17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
|INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
|BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp
From: mustafa+@CMU.EDU (Mustafa Unlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:34:30 GMT
	<29215.9211231147@thor.cf.ac.uk>
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
> I believe that the rate of the people who can read Qur'an in Ottoman Empire
> was as higher as the figure the professor gave me.
> Ottoman Empire had carried out Islam flag.

Yes the Empire did indeed carry the Islam flag... Yes, indeed the
Padisah/caliph declared a jihad against the Allies in World War I.

Pray tell us what happened afterwards... How did our Islamic
"brothers" react? Arabs of all nations flocked to the call, no? They
made a significant contribution to the defence at Gallipoli, no?


Hey, you know the answers, I know the answers: 

It's NO!

Here's what they did:

They sabotaged our armies' supply network, ambushed, attacked and
killed our soldiers. Under the influence and leadership of Lawrence of
Arabia, they helped oust the Empire from the holy lands...

Is this what Muslim brotherhood about?

Is this "God's will" that those Muslim brothers totally subjected
themselves to, or is it Lawrence's money?

Is this the enlightened religion, which just resulted in another
senseless war of ten years between Iraq (come on Iraqi brother at OHS,
tell me about the Ayetullah. Was he a British spy, too?) and Iran and
the killing of so many brothers?

You can't tell me that Iraq and Iran were both inflitrated by secular
servants of the devil who ordered our poor Muslim brothers to kill
each other.

Don't think that I have a grudge against our neighbors for what
happened during World War I. I am just reminding people that the
"reign of Islam" in the Ottoman Empire was not so rosy. And these
facts are just the tip of the iceberg. So, before you long for the
"good old days" just remember the facts, ok?

(I am probably wasting my energy, but hey, I do this of my own free
will and not to earn brownie points so that I look good in Allah's
eyes after I die.)

M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish