HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:25:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <65520@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>> What's really extraordinary is that the same day Bush announced the 
>> increased wheat subsidies he made a speech praising free trade!   The
>> man has to be one of the biggest hypocrites there is, in a profession
>> (politics) that has produced some real champions!  
>
>If it weren't an election year, I wouldn't find this hypocritical.  Isn't
>it just good policy for a country to make sure that it can produce its own
>critical products, like food?  If another country is more efficient in
>these areas, either tax the imports or subsidize our producers, so that
>if the imports are ever cut off, we still have domestic production.
>
>Unrestrained free trade in everything seems awfully dangerous. 


  OK so if *you* made that speech it woudn't be hypocritical 
  because you are on record as opposing free trade.  But Bush isn't:
  he *claims* to favor free trade -- and he's gone on record many 
  times opposing farm subsidies, and then he plays Santa Claus with
  taxpayer money to the farmers.  Bush is still a first-class hypocrite
  on this issue.


---peter
 

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:44736 ca.politics:7616 ba.politics:5184 soc.motss:38756 ba.motss:1575 alt.slack:2353 talk.bizarre:29660
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (BIFF!!!!1)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss,alt.slack,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Summary: Purity OF Essence
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:38:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: OPE Corp. Ltd. (c) (tm) (R) (K)

In article <8283.28260@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:

[GREAT STUFF but it NEEDS more CAPITAL LETTERS, ie:]

>There ARE no such THINGS as LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES...or
>REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS. You've GOT TO GET IT STRAIGHT that
>there are ONLY THOSE HUMANS who wish PEACE and PRODUCTIVITY
>vesrsus THOSE HUMANS who wish a RETURN TO A FEUDAL STATE.

COMMIE RAT BASTARDTS.

>But I say to YOU, YOU are PLAYING the game the ESTABLISHMENT
>wants YOU TO PLAY. You have been SUBTLEY CHANNELLED into this
>MODE of THOUGHT and BEHAVIOR. AND if you are EVERY BIT as
>intelligent AS YOU imply yourself TO BE, you would want TO DO
>even MORE READING to find out IF you are INDEED BEING USED,
>albeit unwitingly, as a BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION TOOL for the NEW
>WORLD ORDER.

GAWDDAMMIT IT'S A NO GOOD ROTTEN COMMIE PLOT>  I SMELL A RAT.

>If you're REALLY intent on IMPROVING SOCIETY, you'll REALIZE that
>I *MAY* be RIGHT.....and THIS BEGS the ??? from you, "what
>reading?"...GLAD YOU ASKED...I have a little INFO THAT *you*
>might BE INTERESTED in...

THIS GUY MIGHT BE ON TO SOMETHING BUT WATCH OUT IF HE STARTS TALKING
ABOUT FLORIDATION OF THE WATER, AND HOW HE DOESN'T DENY WOMEN HIS BODY
BUT HE DOES WITHHOLD HIS ESSENCE. 

--
BUCK TURGID
TURGID@PURITY.MIL


Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:44819 talk.politics.mideast:19885 misc.headlines:6307
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Sep10.083501.19670@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> eitan@pashosh.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.060950.3371@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>If the war were over, military rule would not be required, unless you
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>want to redefine Israel as a military dictatorship.
>>
>
>You're talking about the ME ? right ?

Yep, the locale of Armagedden.

Gary
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Bush's Accomplishments
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:10:22 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) writes:

: Good analogy.  One other difference, though, is that Saddam won't have the
: same psychological effect on voters like Willie Horton did.  Most people
: are not going to be afraid that Saddam is going to come into their
: neighborhood and rape and murder.

I thought that homeless person I had to kick out of the building last
night looked familiar....

;-)

--
Michael Adams (aka StarWatcher) 		"C'mon boys, don't bother me.
Internet:  StarWatcher@uiuc.edu			 I'm debating Danny Quayle.
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 The boy's retarded."
Anonymous: apb.3995@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Sen. Birch Bayh
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarWatcher     

Marrou/Lord in '92
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:31:03 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep10.111506.1536@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>Anwar Mohammed writes:
AM:It is that he has lied about it.  Repeatedly.  

JD:Blather. In a world of sound bites politicians have a right of survival.

Well Clinton is the one running as the candidate of change.  If he is
in fact just another politician, why should we vote for him.  At least
by now, we know what Bush's faults are.
-- 
--Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:44522 talk.politics.mideast:19786 misc.headlines:6286
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
From: ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:53:05 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
: In article <1992Sep7.185144.5501@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
: >
: >Nonsense.  The Palestinians *rejected* 193 and their right to a state
: >inside the "Green Line", the 1949 ceasefire lines.  They did this by
: >declaring war on Israel, and losing.  War is not a zero sum game.  The
: >side that starts, and loses a war generally loses territory as well.
: >Germany is a good example of this.  Germany lost WWII, and can not go
: >back to the "meaningless pieces of paper" which defined its pre-war
: >boundaries, since it rejected those same papers in declaring war.
:
: The difference here is that the Arabs have not lost the war, only some
: early battles. A state of war still exists between Israel and the
: Arab states. Thus calls to return to pre-war conditions are still
: valid. In practical terms, of course, the chance of ultimate military
: success by the Arabs seems small, but is not moot as witness the Israeli
: military buildups and continued military rule of the occupied territories.
: If the war were over, military rule would not be required, unless you
: want to redefine Israel as a military dictatorship.
:
: Gary

Are you sure, Gary?
Israel signed peace treaty in 1949(The Green Line is a result of it) with all
countries, but Iraq!
Peace treaty with Egypt in 1979 was treaty after Milhemet Iom HaKipurim(Iom Kipur War)
So you're wrong! It's no way to UN partitition of 1947-1948.
Nick

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu (Benjamin John McCall)
Subject: **STUDENTS FOR CLINTON MAILING LIST**
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:20:15 GMT

                   *****ATTENTION STUDENTS!!!!!*****


The Clinton/Gore Email Volunteer Team has started a new mailing list
exclusively for STUDENT groups supporting the Clinton/Gore ticket.

All students are invited to join, whether they belong to a student
group supporting Clinton/Gore are are thinking of starting one.

The list will start out as a vehicle for sharing ideas about student
groups, but should eventually link with national campaign headquarters
so that student groups can receive official campaign materials via
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**********************************************************************
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If you know of any other student organizations supporting Clinton/Gore,
or have friends who are politically active, PLEASE forward this message
to them.  This is a grass-roots campaign, and you CAN make a difference!

--

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For more info about the Volunteer Email effort, send mail to 
Clinton-Wins@mail.Clinton-Gore.org with Subject: help

-- 
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Clinton/Gore in '92.
Clinton FTP site: ftp.cco.caltech.edu, /pub/bjmccall/Clinton

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: "liberal bias"? (Re: CNN Anchor Admits Pro-Clinton Bias)
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
	<BuA2r0.5s7@apollo.hp.com> <BuAKuq.4u0@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:56:27 GMT

In article <BuAKuq.4u0@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
-> In article <BuA2r0.5s7@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
-> > [media bias observations deleted]
-> >
-> >  But the worse bias at all among the mainstream press is the "stupid
-> >  bias":  there is a very strong bias towards reducing very complex multi-
-> >  faceted issues to whatever can be expressed in a few minutes with simple
-> >  ideas and a modest vocabulary.   This is an inevitable result of the 
-> >  major news organizations like TV, Time, Newsweek, etc, having to attract
-> >  large audiences.   I can't really fault them on this since it's a free
-> >  market and they're only trying to make a buck. 
-> >
-> 
-> I have to second this.  Unfortunately, this shallow treatment of
-> "very complex multi-facted issues" is evidently what people want.
-> 
-> Dave

	I don't think you can complain about this.  Whenever you go out
to buy something, you have to look at a lot of junk to find quality.
If you want good news that requires above average thinking, you have
to search for it.

	Thinking about the stupid level reminds me of an NBC radio
news story yesterday that shows something of the public they have to
talk to.  I don't remember the name of the zoo, but a zoo had
advertised that they had a dinosaur exhibit.  To the zoo's
management's surprise, many people showed up and then demanded their
money back because they didn't get to see any live dinosaurs.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:45506 talk.politics.theory:4190 sci.econ:7491
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Free Market Health Care was Canada
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:32:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <92259.094009DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.001711.8301@clipper.ingr.com>, ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al
>Date) says:
>>
>>Excuse me for saying that the emporer has no clothes, but insurance has
>>nothing to do with medical care.  What is needed is MORE CARE,  more
>>supply of medical services, more competition.  The govt does
>>everything it can to preserve the AMA's monopoly status, including
>>raiding health clinics that practice alternative medicine and
>>prosecuting midwives.  Costs rise whenever supply is artificially
>>restricted.  Further rationing will only make it worse.
>
>Between 1970 and 1987 the number of physicians practicing in the US
>rose by 85%.  The number of physicians per 100,000 persons rose 56%.
>This is a supply restricted market??? 

  The other flaw in Date's original argument is that while the US
  has the highest health care spending in the world, plenty of 
  nations, including major OECD nations, have far fewer doctors
  per capita than the US.  

  This is like the "FCC to blame for lack of a conservative TV news
  network" problem.   It's one thing to point out that the government
  is, somehow, restricting the supply of something like doctors or
  TV channels.  But it's quite another to show a causal relationship
  between this and whatever one is trying to prove.   It's this lack
  of rigor that plagues Usenet.


---peter
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From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Live Online Conference re: US Elections
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:46:40 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I'm posting this message for the Conference Hosts;

The IDS World Network will be holding a "live", CB-Simulator chat conference
on the 1992 election and the candidates.  Topics currently being considered
include The Economy, Healthcare, Education, Family Values, Abortion, and
"World Leadership Role".

The first discussion will take place on September 4th from 7PM EST until
9:30PM EST.

We invite everyone to participate.  CB Chat discussions on the IDS World
Network are completely free.

To reach the IDS World Network, TELNET to ids.net [155.212.1.2].  If you have
an account already, you're all set, although you can apply for one by signing
on with GUEST as a username.

That's September 4th, 7PM EST on the IDS World Network CB Simulator.
telnet ids.net [155.212.1.2]
From: dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil (Kent Paul Dolan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Kill the Wabbit
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:47:04 GMT

Sweet Julie Anne, my heart's love, is getting very sensitive about
talking politics. As she says it: "I can't ever manage to describe
myself as a 'Radical Right-Wing Republican Reactionary' without
sounding like Elmer Fudd".


Kent, the man from xanth.
"The Birthright of humankind is the stars!"
--
Ignore the header, and don't expect me to see a news reply.  Use email to:
<dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil> or <dolan@192.138.87.240>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Subject: Re: Clinton and Responsibility (Contradiction in Terms)
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
	<1992Sep10.142859.17019@hemlock.cray.com>
	<Sep.15.07.41.14.1992.9777@romulus.rutgers.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:42:12 GMT

In article <Sep.15.07.41.14.1992.9777@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
> But Mr.
>Vignes brings up a very good point, i.e., Mr. Clinton's character (or
>rather, the lack of same).  The last time we had a veritable scumbag
>as President was when LBJ held that office -- and he (and his legacy)
>has very nearly destroyed this country.

Its a real good thing he was followed by such a morally upright and honest man
as Richard Nixon!

Matthias
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: speed, police, crime, hell
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:55:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <BuMryu.1E0@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:

> Theodore A. Kaldis:

>> (BTW, rarely does anyone in the U.S. run red lights.)

> Rarely?  I guess that means Texas isn't in the USA, after all -- of
> all the places I've been in the South and the Plains in my little red
> Mazda pickup, the two worst areas by far for ignoring red lights are
> Dallas and Houston.  [...]

Dallas and Houston are apparently as bad as New York and Boston.  But
do you think that this sort of habit prevails in Tyler or Midland?
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Clinton and Responsibility (Contradiction in Terms)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:45:37 GMT

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:

>	Bill Clinton had his chance, during the Vietnam War,
>	to show us what kind of stuff he was made of.

>		If he didn't have it back then,
>		what makes anyone think he's got it now?

Responsibility? I sure as hell hope you aren't implying that George
"let's blame everything on Congress and take all the credit myself"
Bush is responsible? Ignoring our problems for the first three years
and blaming them all on Congress during this year is not what I woul.d
call responsible. As some other tpm'er said, "Trust was an issue with
Bush before it was with Clinton" (the quote is paraphased, BTW)
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Accusations
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.221731.16824@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
Livni) writes:

|>In article <1992Sep9.001234.855@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
|>writes:
|>>In article <1992Sep4.222347.14708@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
|>>Livni) writes:
|>
|>>|>You used to sound so believable, Phill!  Now look at you!
|>>|>
|>>|>First you tell us what I believe, then you infer things about me from
|>>|>entirely unrelated things I had written and now you are telling the
|>>|>world about my religious stance and my excuses for military exemption.
|>>|>Who ever said that I had any legal requirement at all to join the
|>>|>Israeli army?  
|>>
|>>You spend a long time trying to prove your Zionist credentials. Only if you
|>were
|>>a Zionist you would have bought a plane ticket and gone and lived in Israel.
|>
|>I notice that you have not bothered to refute my other arguments and
|>you now jump around looking for something - anything - to throw back.

It was probably long and boring and I couldn't be bothered to read it all.


|>Have you signed up to join the Jordanian Army or the PLO?  Do you even
|>have relatives who served with Glubb Pasha?  Is this lack of action on
|>your part an indication of the insincerity of your arguments?  

No because I don't support the PLO.


|>I have lived in Israel and am now posting from the USA, just like you
|>have lived in GB (apparently) but are now posting from Germany.  Does
|>this make either of us hypocrites?

I am not a nationalist, it's a bit like the capitalist who driving past a
socialist, notices that the socialist has just bought a big Rolls Royce like his
and calls out "What about the workers". 

|>
|>>You are just the same as the "settlers" in the occupied territories who do
|>not
|>>serve for religious reasons, you are making maximalist demands that you are
|>not
|>>prepared to pay the price for yourself.

|>Secondly, are Americans who would like to see military action to stop
|>the killing in Yugosalvia but haven't themselves left their jobs to
|>go there equally guilty? 

If the US went in then I would be rather scathing of chicken hawks a la Quayle
who vociferously supported the war while avoiding the draft.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:43990 alt.politics.elections:12521 talk.politics.theory:4067 misc.legal:16933
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,misc.legal
Subject: Seizures, stops and searches (was: Political Parties in the U.S.)
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:20:18 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93


<<< misc.legal added tothis thread; please note the redirect(s) in the
"Followup-To:" line. >>>

In article <1992Sep1.185755.17716@auto-trol.com>, 
katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) said:

> Wrong. The DEA has the power to confiscate property without even
> charging you with a crime! Our wonderful (NOT!) conservative supreme
> court has upheld this.

Can you please cite the case in which the Supremes did this?

> There are also sobriety checkpoints, which allow local law
> enforcement to stop and search people without probable cause.

--> Semi-obligatory disclaimer: I'm only a law student, not a real
--> lawyer.  I'm not trying to give legal advice and you should not
--> take anything I say as such.  If you do, it's your own damn fault.

I believe that the police only have the authority to stop people at
these checkpoints; they cannot conduct a search of the people in the
car beyond what may be allowed in a "Terry stop" (a pat-down frisk for
weapons is permitted if the police officer believes that he may be in
danger; such a pat-down must be for weapon-like bumps and bulges
_only_) and they cannot search the vehicle itself without the
permission of the driver.<*> Of course, all these protections go out
the window if in the course of the stop the police _acquire_ probable
cause for an arrest or a search...

<*>At least, I _think_ it's the driver's consent that controls...  I'm
   not sure what would happen if, after a car's driver consented to a
   search, a passenger in the car spoke up and said, "Hey, wait a
   minute -- _I'm_ the registered owner of this car and I _don't_ give
   you permission to search it."  I'm sure that there _is_ an answer
   to this little legal question; I just don't know what it is.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:13:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.155452.19196@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>I'm wondering if the Bush campaign people overdid it in '88 with the 
>Boston Harbor/Willie Horton stuff. That maybe people are looking askance
>at any charge that the Bush people might toss out.

The Bush folks didn't even RUN the Willie Horton ad; an independent
group did (after Gore tried it against Dukakis in the primaries).

That group didn't run it very many times; every time I saw it (or
parts), it was part of a news story on the unfairness of the charge.

If the Demos hadn't whined about it, it would have sank without a
trace.

It is a cute political trick though; whine about something and keep it
alive long enough to get sympathy.

-andy
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