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From: ewhac@ntg.com (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:14:36 GMT
Organization: Politically Incorrect Software, Ltd.

In article <1992Aug26.132244.16704@zip.eecs.umich.edu> chuck@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Chuck A. Nicholas) writes:
>Along similar lines, the one scene in the film that I find most intriguing
>was when Mike rides his bike up the hill without pedalling it.  [ ... ]

	Look more closely.  Look at the surrounding buildings and see if
their angle to the ground is consistent with being on a hill.

	I think he just tilted the camera at an odd angle to create the
illusion of a hill, much as they do in truck ads, trying to make it appear
that the truck is climing a steeper hill than it really is.

	James Burke took this trick to extremes briefly in his series
"Connections" where he drives past a progressively more tilted camera, with
a sympathetically tilted tree in the background to help the illusion along,
until he gets to a tilt of around 80 degrees...

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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Teddy Bear in Pizza Resturaunt scene?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug25.062656.4622@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:46:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.062656.4622@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller) writes:

   harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock) writes:

   >Question:  In the scene inside Ying Yang's pizza near the beginning of the
   >movie when they're brainstorming for music, there is a teddy bear sitting
   >on the chair next to Mike.  It just occured to me how out of place
   >a teddy bear is in a pizza place.  Is there and significance or story
   >behind the bear?  Comments, Mike?(Or am I just incoherently rambling on
   >a  silly subject because I have nothing better to do?)


   Yow, all these weeks going thru' my vid and I never noticed the teddy
   :) I kept getting hung up on the biz where the *inside* of the photomat
   is bigger than the outside... Shades of Dr.Who?

I've got to watch this one again...  looks like I didn't even notice
the subtle stuff...

   What I really wanna know is: Are there any more vids/movies containing
   Jittlovian FX? If so where are they? Desperate MJ junkie needs fix!!

Yes!

-Joe.
From: cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Focused on Infinity)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Flame bunker ready, Shields up
Date: 26 Aug 1992 03:32:02 GMT
Organization: something entirely lacking in the average geek's life.
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In article <1992Aug25.225023.1137@news2.cis.umn.edu> hiroki@limerick.cbs.umn.edu writes:
>Who's Mike Jittlov?
>
>Curious
>hiroki
>
Do we need an FAQ? Perhaps.
Anyway, Hiroki, Mike Jittlov is a guy who lives with his mother in Los
Angeles and at one time made lots of nifty neato-keen animated short films.
Unfortunately, one Richard Kay became the producer of a full-length,
fact-based feature on Mike's struggles in the animation world. I say
unfortunately because art imitated life and Kay, who played the sleazy
producer in the film as well as producing it, turned out to have been
typecast. Suffice it to say that he screwed Mike over but good, making off
with a large chunk of money.

But perhaps I'd be better off letting the man himself answer this.
(I just wanted to get something in before Lee Thompson-Herbert did. :)

Over to you, Mike...

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From: kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON)
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:01:32 GMT


	After watching Coccoon for the N'th time might I venture that
	 our bud Mike may perhaps be .........
                                                  AN ALIEN !!!!!!

         Supporting  Perot wasn't enough huh?
         Clinton drop you too ?
         Never seen the Alien and MJ together HAVE WE ??

Kevin "scorch" Dawson
kdawson@afit.af.mil

:)   :)   :)   :)   ;)   :)   :)   :)   :)   :)   :)   :)   :)   :)   |)
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From: sherman@ecadsr.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov,rec.bicycles,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:43:34 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hmmm.  My guess is that the bike was spring-powered.  It wouldn't allow you to
go very far uphill, only far enough to shoot the scene.  But, Mike did say he
was unable to put a motor on the bike.  I know that there was a time when you
could get a gas-powered motor for your bike from, I think, Sears.  So, barring
a motor, it might be possible to add a spring-loaded unit onto one of the 
tires.  Could be a wind-up thing made from spring steel and a small gear 
mechanism.

Steve
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From: cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller)
Subject: Re: Jittlov Nude ? (was Re: Enya Nude ?)
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 02:14:24 GMT

jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:

>kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON) writes:






>>                    :)






>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Aww, geez - you let your guard down JUST ONCE, you
>try to have A LITTLE INNOCENT FUN, and you even
>check carefully for witnesses...

>In September of 1981, the University of Rochester's
>programming committee asked for "an biography, and a
>picture that nobody's printed before", for the giant
>URCON-III sci-fi convention's guidebook.

>So I sent them my baby picture.

>And they printed it.


>-mjj
>"objects may appear larger than they actually are" 
 
Now *that's* crazy. I used to think crazy was attempting to live off
fouty bucks a week until i started reading net news....

Now I *know* I'm crazy :D
Cath
cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
no bart, no buaf, no stupidquote(tm). I can only afford so much...
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov,rec.bicycles,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:35:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep4.140417.11581@linus.mitre.org> ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
> 
>     I settled on the riding-backwards theory (and just now discovered
>that Chuck had beaten me to the punch.)

I would say that there is a definite test of this. If you turn a
bicycle wheel backwards the freewheel clutches engage and the cranks
will turn. If, in the clip, the pedals are turning it is
a heavy clue that the bike is traveling backwards.
From: nanook@psycho.fidonet.org (Keith Dickinson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Teddy Bear in Pizza Resturaunt scene?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 09:04:41 EDT
Organization: Psycho: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway of St. Pete Florida

From: cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller)
 > What I really wanna know is: Are there any more vids/movies containing
 > Jittlovian FX? If so where are they? Desperate MJ junkie needs fix!!

There is the Jittlov Demo tape.  Send me e-mail and I'll give you the low-
down on it.

L8r G8r
 Keith


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From: kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON)
Subject: Jittlov Nude ? (was Re:Enya Nude ?)
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:18:27 GMT






        ;)




Kevin (I just couldn't resist) Dawson
From: jholmes@mcb.com (jim holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: test
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:18:27 EDT
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Organization: Message Center

ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>
> dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
> 
> > ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
> > 
> > > bill@moo.org (Bill Horton) writes:
> > > 
> > > > I have not been reading this group lately, has Waffle 165 been
> > > > released yet, in final version?
> > > 
> > > Yes.  It was released 03 August.
> > 
> > And I tried installing it last night.  All it ever did was declare that
> > it had run out of memory and exit.  Running DOS 4.01 with BNU, I
>                                               ^^^^^^^^
> 
> First of all, you have a known bad operating system.  Get an
> upgrade if you can.
> 
> > managed to get 578144 bytes for it and it still just exited.  Does it
> > require more memory than that or am I triggering the message with some
> > other detail?
> 
> Also, what kind of system are you running?  That might help us
> narrow your problems down.  And show us a copy of your CONFIG.SYS
> and AUTOEXEC.BAT files.
> 
> Good luck!  And you're just about going to need it with 4.01!
> :-)
> 


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From: jtidwell@athena.mit.edu (Jenifer P. Tidwell)
Subject: Re: Computer Animation in the future
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:25:51 GMT

>     I have plans, big plans.  After initially meeting mike, and helping him
> set up for reading news, etc, I talked to him about doing computer animation
> for comercials and self promotion. 

Cool!  But *just* ray-tracing?  Use your imagination... How about
hand-drawn cels (with scanner or done directly on screen), image
processing for depth-of-field and other FX, compositing, sequence
editing, digitized video hacking, et cetera?  There's a lot of good
software out there to do this kind of stuff, and if you have (or can
afford) the hardware, it's worth playing with...

(Come to think of it, a lot of this can be done directly on a Mac.)

Just some blatherings from an ex-Media-Lab weenie....

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From: kwatson@netcom.com (Kennita Watson)
Subject: Re: Mike as GHOST ghost
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 03:34:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service

In article <BtKx40.CMM@quake.sylmar.ca.us> jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jeff Skaletsky) writes:
   Last time I tried to buy a copy of WOSAT it was around $90 - any plans
   to get the price down to something reasonable???

I'm sure Mike has no control over this.

In any case, last I knew, American Video in San Jose still had a few
for $19.95 each; the owner is a fan.  Call 408-267-5300, and please,
the first person to get the answer "sorry, we sold the last one", post
said info to the list.  Thanks, and good luck.

Kennita (who bought two copies)
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From: mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: Re: art. 748
Organization: Purdue University SVM
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.141820.25871@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>for true crinological order
>1:Dragons dawn
>2&3:Moreta:Dragonlady of Pern
>and Nerilka's Story acure at the same time

not exactly. since Nerilka's story begins with enough time to travel
to the Ruathan Gather and Moreta begins the day of the same gather,
Nerillka predates slightly.  Moreta ends at the final impression, but
Nerillka ends her book with the implecation of several years *AFTER*
that since she and ALessen have produced several children.

>4:The Dragon Riders sereis
>5:Renagades of Pern takes place at the same time as Dragon Riders
>6:The Harpers sereis also acures about the same time as Dragon Riders
>
>Dragonsong starts just befor the curent pass and Dragondrums ends befor
>The White Dragon or shortly after Ruths impresion (its been a wile so i am
>not sure wich)
>
Okay... here goes for proper order....

Dragonflight
Dragonquest 
during Dragonquest, Dragonsong and Dragonsinger
The White Dragon
during the White Dragon, Dragondrums
The Renegades of Pern
>then All The Weyrs of Pern comes last from what i understand
>
>
>ELF-KIN


just adding my 2 cents....
-brandywine
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Subject: Re: Info needed
From: fgiachi@eis.calstate.edu (Frank Giachino)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:57:41 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

heinau@Groucho.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE (Vera Heinau) writes:
> Hi!
> 
> I've read the Pern books in their German translation. However the last
> two books ("The Renegades of Pern" and "All the Weyrs of Pern") aren't
> translated yet so I want to read them in the original version.
> To order them here at the book store I need some more informations -
> e.g. the publishers (Ballantine Books?), publication year, ISBN number, 
> price, paperback/hardcover issue...
> 
> Thanks a lot, Vera
> 
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My copy of All the Weyrs of Pern is published by Ballantine Books as a Del
Ray book...ISBN 0-345-36892-4 pub. date 1991...I got it from my book club,
so I have no idea on the norman price.  It's the hardcover issue.  I don't
have the other one (Renegades) yet, hope someone can help.
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Future Pern..
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:19:24 GMT

shagstro@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shirley Hagstrom) writes:

>    For those that asked, let me expand my question a bit...=)
>   (A thought was that green dragons would become real popular as they are
> small enough to pop into the Yokohama and explore..Bronze and gold dragons
> are nice, but maybe too big for the future of Pern?  Don't flame for
> this..It was just a passing thought.)  =)

makes sense- BUT, I thought the queens had this 'instinct' to start laying
heavy before a pass- well if no passes, what happens to that instinct?
do they stop reproducing?? (doubt it)
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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: art. 748
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:18:20 GMT

for true crinological order
1:Dragons dawn
2&3:Moreta:Dragonlady of Pern
and Nerilka's Story acure at the same time
4:The Dragon Riders sereis
5:Renagades of Pern takes place at the same time as Dragon Riders
6:The Harpers sereis also acures about the same time as Dragon Riders

Dragonsong starts just befor the curent pass and Dragondrums ends befor
The White Dragon or shortly after Ruths impresion (its been a wile so i am
not sure wich)

then All The Weyrs of Pern comes last from what i understand


ELF-KIN
From: h2m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (JA)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: more on bespeaking
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:45:42 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cornell University

Hi all...

I've been following this discussion on bespeaking and it was MY impression (no 
pun intended) that the dragons spoke to someone when they wanted to. (aramina 
was like Lessa and Brekke in that she was "special")  They talk to Robinton 
because they like him.  There are several instances when Mnementh speaks to 
the Harper casually...and another dragon does so as well (someone transporting 
him to some gather or another)

Just my two cents.

Lisa
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From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Subject: Re: Where is PernMush??
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:49:59 GMT

In <1992Aug30.214354.8479@cco.caltech.edu> plee@cco.caltech.edu (Patrick L. Lee) writes:

>Where the heck did PernMush end up? Last I saw it was at Gram.Dell.Com 4201, 
>but since I regained net access (summer..) I can't seem to find it anymore...

>Help would be appreciated..
><replies to Plee@kanga.caltech.edu>

For those of you who were gone all summer, and ergo probably missed the move:

PernMUSH
wiretape.spies.com, port 4201

-Lord Kale of Bitra

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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: dragon books
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:11:37 GMT

In <1992Aug29.140629.25674@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
>for true crinological order
>dragons down first

Hmmmm... I don't remember how the Harper Hall trilogy fits in, but...

Dragonsdawn
Moreta
Dragonflight
Dragonquest
The White Dragon
The Renegades of Pern
All The Weyrs of Pern

I _think_ that's it, although it's been so long since I've seen the
chrono. list that I could be mistaken.
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From: emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: AtWoP in paperback?
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:30:13 GMT
Organization: Ferrous Fencing Ferrets Inc.

starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: 
>All the Weyrs of Pern is already out in paperback, at least in the UK,
>in a large size paperback, I've not seen it in the more normal size yet.
>Unusual that it's out in paperback here first as I often end up buying
>the US import long before it's available in paperback from a UK 
>publisher.

That is a trade edition paper back.  Trade editions usually cost more
and can be worth some thing because they are infrequently released in that
format (used to be that way).  It has not been released in the US yet.
I am curious to know the publisher.  It is Ballantine under Del Rey?
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From: emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...)
Subject: Re: All the Weyrs of Pern...Mush?
Organization: Ferrous Fencing Ferrets Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:38:37 GMT

shagstro@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shirley Hagstrom) wrote: 

>  In running a mush based on 100-200 years after All the Weyrs of Pern,
>what would you say the 'future' of Pern would be like?


A High Tech society, strife with war and poverty.  No doubt the tech
innovations introduced would lead to more such innovations.  With
a ghastly shortage of raw materials and good land, it might make
World War II Europe look like a friendly place to be.

Of course that's only if Gibson were doing the script.  Should AM
do it, well Pern would meet up that Galactic Government from her SF
books, come right to the edge of utter destruction, chaos and
total dominion of a not-so-really-friendly race.  And then when all
looks lost, *BAMF* the dragons will save the day, Pern is suddenly
the weathiest planet in the sector and dragons find a new role
as deep space explorers.  I get an upset stomach just thinking about it.

       ^
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From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett)
Subject: 100 to 200 years Post-ATWOP
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:05:16 GMT


Well, by that time, Jaxom would have been long dead...

...so yeah, Pern would be a pretty Ruthless place.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: AtWoP in paperback?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:02:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug31.123013.1406@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...) writes:
>starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: 
>>All the Weyrs of Pern is already out in paperback, at least in the UK,
>>in a large size paperback, I've not seen it in the more normal size yet.
>>Unusual that it's out in paperback here first as I often end up buying
>>the US import long before it's available in paperback from a UK 
>>publisher.
>
>That is a trade edition paper back.  Trade editions usually cost more
>and can be worth some thing because they are infrequently released in that
>format (used to be that way).  It has not been released in the US yet.
>I am curious to know the publisher.  It is Ballantine under Del Rey?

Good question... :) When I was in the UK I bought the last
trilogy (Dragonsdawn, Renegades and All the Weyrs) as a gift for
someone (gee, I wonder who... :). The first two were 'normal'
paperback size, ATWOP was in Trade format. The covers of ALL of
Anne's books (not to mention every other book I saw over there)
are completely different, and IMHO (1) more accurate to scenes
described in the books, but (2) a lot less accurate in their
portrayals of dragons and esp firelizards.

I believe it was Spectra Books, actually, but can't remember that
well. Memory like a dragon I 'spose.

Joshua
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