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Subject: Reply to Hate Mail?
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:24:13 GMT
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Dear Madge and Steve,

Although I haven't  been on the list  very long, I can say  that this has
not been used for hate mail.  I have viewed people sharing their opinions
and ideas, which  naturally there will be disagreement.  As Christians we
should not  be surprised about this  satanic attack. It's satan's  job to
condemn and to take  things out of context. If you  have been doing some-
thing for  Kingdom work, you  will know that  you will get  these vicious
attacks that never have any logic to it.

I would only  add this suggestion that we never  wage personal attacks on
anyone  or group  of people.  Discussions are  healthy. I  may not  agree
with someone but that  does not mean I indeed hate that  person. So far I
enjoy this list  very much. The best  part I like about this  list is the
love and caring attitude  that is shown when we pray  for one another and
the beautiful testimonies  that are encouraging and uplifting  to let you
know that  one can  make it.  The Word  tells us  to exhort  one another.
This forum is another opportunity to lift each other up.

I too  disagree with certain  things on this network,  but I by  no means
have ever felt hated, but I am grateful I am able to share my views also.
Madge and Steve you know that you  are on a battle field. "Don't wait un-
til the  battle is  over, shout now,  because in the  in you're  going to
win," (This is from a song we sing).

To God be the Glory-This is  a great testimony-we've got the enemy watch=
ing us. Maybe  this person will receive Christ as  their personal Savior.
Perhaps next month  after so much of  God's love and Word  they will join
the list  themselves. Whoever  you are  God loves  you and  so do  we. We
all have  sinned and  fallen short  of God's  glory. God  has made  a way
for us  to change. Repent!  and be baptized in  the name of  Jesus Christ
for the  remission of  your sins  and ye  shall receive  the gift  of the
Holy Ghost. Give  your heart to Jesus  while you still have  time -- give
your heart  to him today.  You too will be  able to experience  this love
we have for one another, even through disagreements.

I praise  the Lord for you  both. Stay in the  race and keep up  the good
work. May  God continue to  bless and keep you  both. We will  be waiting
to hear your testimony!!!!

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--Emory University--Atlanta, GA.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:50:00 +1000
From:         Ken Diefenbach <DIEFENBAK@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Another baby

Ah Wolfgang

     Congratulations to (and prayers for) you and your wife. It's a great
time during pregnancy and it's even better after. Enjoy your sleep......

Ken Diefenbach
(of german descent - 103 years and 3 generations removed....)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:01:15 PDT
From:         Mike Morris <kla!M_Morris%pid.csd@SUN.COM>
Subject:      Subscription

I would like to subscribe to this list...is this the correct address to
request getting signed up???

Thanks,



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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:05:38 CDT
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      A "Million" Errors

Michael:
You say:
> I am not convinced that the apostles, with all of their good inten-
> tions, presented the teachings of Jesus without flaw.

Then how can we trust what they teach about salvation?

> Assertion of ego and lack of insight into the concepts of divine
> love and the Fatherhood of God were two of the very understandable
> human failings in which the apostles participated.

Does this mean what the Apostle John wrote about some are children of God
and others are children of the devil is not true?

> People turn from Christ when we tell them that they
> have to read and believe the Bible or they will go to hell for eternity.
> Christ NEVER told anyone any such thing.

Perhaps not worded specifically like the above, but did He not call a group
of Pharisees "sons of the devil"? He called a few "vipers" and some others
"hypocrites" and I'm sure there are a few other names we could find.
I'm not advocating we call people names when we preach. I'm just hinting at
the notion that if Christ called someone a child of the devil, that sounds
to me as if that person is going to go to hell for eternity unless he
believes what Jesus says about Himself.

Tom Brewer
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:38 CDT
From:         "St. Jesse of Karnez" <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Yo' beez a Saint!

Memo ;

By the way, if you call me Saint Jic,  then do not address me as "Your
Holiness", but rather as "Your Hollyness."

Har  Har  Har!!!!!!!!


St. Jesse
From: Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU (Leo W)
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Subject: Scripturette 10/14
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:57:16 GMT
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Preface -- Due to family illness and jury duty, the Scripturettes have not been
posted the past few days.  And now resuming our regular posts ....

"Do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a
religious feast, a New Moon festival, or a Sabbath day.  In the past, these
things were like a shadow of what was to come.  But the new things that were
coming are found in Christ" (Colossians 2:16,17).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
From: U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET (Bernice Tennant)
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Subject: Re: Political Correctness
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:25:46 GMT
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Didn't Christ tell us the world would hate us?  Guess we are doing it right!
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:30:00 +1000
From:         Ken Diefenbach <DIEFENBAK@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: WOW!

Ian

Heh Heh Heh

Welcome to the world of organic alarm clocks with random reset built-in....

No seriously it's great news. May God bless you all.

Ken Diefenbach
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From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)
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Subject: Re:      re: Baptismal Regeneration?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:43:34 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <9210071657.AA19892@motgate.mot.com> bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com writes:
>Tom Brewer writes yet another attack on Catholic theology, this time
>referring to Catholic beliefs regarding baptism.
>
>Since the beliefs of Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, and
>Lutherans (and maybe some Presbyterians & Methodists?) regarding
>baptism are virtually identical (as far as I can tell), perhaps Tom
>should include them as well, and title his thread "Confused
>Christianity".

[ Excellent reply deleted ]

Brad, it is time for our brethren in the Protestant chruch to realize
that these attacks (that never cease btw) are attacks against *mainstream*
Christianity that have survived almost two millenia! These attacks are
directed against beliefs that we (Orthodox, Catholics, etc ..) hold dear
to ourselves like scaraments and Tradition. If anyone does not believe
in them personally, then that does not give him/her the right to go on
and attack those who beleive in them. No one is forcing them on him/her.

So please can folks on Christia refrain from these attacks. Where is the
spirit of *true* Christian love ?? I do not think that attacking/ridiculing/
mocking/making fun of *mainstream* Christianity (be it against Catholics,
Orthodox, Anglicans, etc ...) falls under 'Christian love'!

Frankly, I do not see this attitude any better than that of Sinead O'Connor
tearing up the photo of the Pope on National TV!!! 

I apologize if what I said may upset anyone. I have nothing against any
specific person, but I am really troubled with this attitude of few people
on this forum.

Peace be with you,

Nabil

PS. To avoid confusion, mainstream in the way used above does not refer to
    any specific country. It is for Worldwide Christianity.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:44:08 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: WOW! ??

Yes Carol, Ian is expecting a child for next spring !

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:58:15 CST
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      To Liz

Excuse me Christia,
I tried to send this private but it came back.

Thank you Liz,
I really do feel that a Spiritual Battle is taking place in my life an  d
I don't know what to do, but pray. The more I pray earnestly the better r
I seem to feel. I can feel the prayers of the people on Christia becausese
I am not as depressed as I was before. Girl I hate being depressed.
Especially for no reason.
 Thanks again.

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst from Dallas - Texas
"I know worse things about myself that you will ever say about me." Anon
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:27:12 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: christian paganism

In a previous post, someone decried the WWCOG as a fringe religion that
gets everything wrong. Actually, they get ONE thing. WWTOG observes Jewish
holy days using the argument that Christ never relased one's obligation
to observe them (including the Saturday sabbath) As well WWTOG rightly
points out that "Christian" festivals such as Easter and Christmas have
no basis in the bible and are actually adapted from previous Pagan festivals.
The name of Easter is derived from Ishter (sp?) a pagan god. they also point
out that JC was not born in December and that in fact, there are references
in the NT to plants that are only around in springtime being in evidence at

JC's birth.
From: Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU (Leo W)
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Subject: Re>on being a Christian from infancy
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:57:17 GMT
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James Keifer wrote:
" So, let us suppose that Black was baptized as an infant, and was
brought up to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, and Savior. He
has always believed this. He has committed venial sins, and has
repented of them, and has asked God for forgiveness through Jesus
Christ. He has sinned, and he needs a Saviour. But he has never at
any time since his baptism ceased to be a child of God."

How about this:

My 11 years old son Paul was NOT baptized as an infant, and was
brought up to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, and Savior. He
has always believed this. He has committed venial sins, and has
repented of them, and has asked God for forgiveness through Jesus
Christ. He has sinned, and he needs the Savior. But he has never at
any time since his early childhood ceased to behave, profess the faith,
and walk like a child of God, although he has never been water baptized.

Does anyone have a problem with this?  Has he received some grace at an early
age or what?

I was infant-baptized.  My own adult conversion experience was a repentance
from turning my back on the Lord during my teenage years, plus a first-time
appreciation of what He had accomplished on the cross for me personally.  I
think many conversions are like this (not all), where the young one who had an
immature faith in Christ Jesus as the Son of God, turns away and later comes
back not just to Him as the Son of God and author of a religion, but as that
person's Savior Who died for his/her sins and threw them away as far as the
east is from the west, Whose blood made the crimson one white, Who would have
suffered and died even for that one sinner alone.  The repentance and the
awakening to personal faith in His finished work on the cross, is so powerful
an experience that it can be thought of as a new birth.  The effects on an
adult's life can be tremendous.

My son's faith in Christ is not like mine.  I don't see the motivation to study
His Word instead of participating in other activities.  I don't know what
decisions he'll make in the near future, when he starts facing real challenges
to his faith and the temptations of our modern society.  I pray he will be
wiser than his infant-baptized father was, but if not I trust the Lord will not
cast him out, but will bring him to repentance in later years.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:13:06 EDT
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Reply-Another Baby-Wolfgang

Congratulations Wolfgang and to your wife!!!

Although I  haven't been able to  read my mail in  a few days, I  was de-
lighted to know that  the Lord is blessing you. I  have five children and
indeed children  are a  gift from God.  May God bless  you and  your wife
and we look forward to seeing which one of you will have their baby first
you or Ian, of couse I do mean which one of your wives will have the baby
first (Smile).

Father God, You  said in your Word  that before I formed you  in the womb
I knew  you. So Father, we  thank you for  this child in advance  and ask
that your Love, joy,  and peace be with Wolfgang and  his wife while they
wait on  another one of your  beautiful creations. In Jesus  name I pray.
Amen.

Your sister in Christ,
Shelby---Atlant, Georgia---Emory University
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:05:06 CDT
From:         Jesse Irwin Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer request
              13 Oct 1992 11:29:23 BST from <JFW1@IBM-B.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK>

Dear Jonathan ;

I prayed as you requested, and I am quite sure many others did as well.
One thing on the side though : Where in England are you located?
I ask because I have a great burden for people in the UK.
I am an experienced speaker and Bible student, as well as the pianist
for my local church, and I have had a desire to be involved in local
church work in England.We shall see if the Lord makes the opportunity.
Your computer E-mail address reminded me again of my love for the people in
the UK.
Thanks for your time.


In the Lord Christ' love;

Jesse Irwin Carnes
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From: jls0598@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Another baby (was Re: HOWDY)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:04:46 GMT

Congrats to Wolfgang and his wife!!  God bless them!

Jeremy Sasser(vitz)  :)  <><
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From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is God Evil?
              8 Oct 1992 22:58:00 EDT from <AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Dear Angela ;

I am not sure about the alleged "7" deadly sins, but the O.T. says that
"... God is ANGRY with the wicked all day long."
Anger is evilwhen the motive is wrong.
God has righteous anger and He has every right to be angry with sinners
who never turn to Christ, due to their sins.
Our problem is that sometimes our motive is flimsy or outright wrong.
Recently a brother in Christ that I love, was attacked by a hoarde of
demons and his wife as well.  Some of our church men went out to his
house to minister to him.  All the way over there, my anger against
the devil and demons seethed. "How dare they touch one of God's
children" was in my mind and we went to prayer vigourously and by
the grace of God, the devil was routed and the brother and wife is just
fine.  God has said to love our neighbor, not the devil nor demons.


Jesse Carnes
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
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Subject: Re: Is God Evil?
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:22:27 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92100820001046@ASUACAD.BITNET> AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Angela Zimmerman) writes:
>>Alot of people think that to repent means to be ashamed of or to be sorry for
>>but repent means to "turn away from".   God was angry but he turned away from
>>his anger due to the prayers of ....
>
>
>God was angry?  Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't anger one of the Seven
>Deadly Sins?

Re: the Scripture that tells us to be angry yet do not sin.  If anyone can
do it, God can.



--
Noel Estabrook          |       If somebody publishes an article in a really
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	obscure research journal and nobody reads it,
Educational Technology  |	does it really exist?  - IgNobel Prizes
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:26:17 MST
From:         Madge McBurney <ISPMOM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer Request

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:26:54 EDT Bernice Tennant said:
>Mom is back in the hospital.  She is still losing blood somewhere.  They want
>to do bone marrow test and colon cancer test.  Your prayers that these test
>will be negative and the bleeding source will be found would be much appreci-
>ated.

Bernice, please tell your Mom that we are praying for her.

In His Love,
Madge
From: kla!M_Morris%pid.csd@SUN.COM (Mike Morris)
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Subject: Re>Why Did Jesus Die?
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:41:11 GMT
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=>
=> Darren wrote: "... if Jesus was without sin, and if death
=> results from sin, why did Jesus die?  Why was he killable?"
=>

I'm new to the list....but I'm going to poke my nose in anyway!

I'm not sure he _was_ "killable". I heard a great sermon about this
topic. I'd always before had an image of Christ allowing himself to
get into a situation where he knew he would inevitably be killed.

But on further reflection, I think he could have chosen not to die, up
to and including the last second. In other words, he made a conscious
decision to die, exactly when he did. There's a lot of evidence to
support that. After fullfilling the last prophecies about him he said
"it is finished", meaning he knew that it was time for him to die.
Other support is in "No man takes my life from me...I lay it down".
He even announced it: "Into your hands I commend my spirit".

And apparently his death was non-typical for cruxifiction in that (1)
he died sooner than most and (2) he was in 'better shape' when he died.
Death (so I was told) usually comes from suffocation when the muscles
in the rib cage get so exhausted that they can't expand the lungs any
more against the weight of the body. This means most people can't talk
for a long time before they die, but Christ spoke clearly and loudly
enough for the crowd to understand him immediately before he died.


P.S.

As I said, I'm new to the list. I'm slightly overwhelmed at the volume
& length of messages.... I don't know how you keep up! Is this fairly
typical, or has the volume gone up temporarily?




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From: nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu (N. L. Tinkham)
Subject: Re: John Michael Talbot's music style
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:54:13 GMT

John Michael Talbot is a Franciscan monk.  

I'm not sure what musical heading to classify his compositions under -- a 
combination of "folk" and "classical", I suppose.  Some of his songs are
a single voice with acoustic guitar; some use choir and orchestra; others
use a small group of orchestral or folk instruments.

My favorites of his albums are:

	The Lord's Supper (a setting of the Mass.  This album influenced me
		tremendously in my spiritual journey and my worship of God
		when I was a college student.)

	Troubadour of the Great King (songs based on the life and writings
		of St. Francis of Assisi)

	Empty Canvas (a contemplative instrumental album:  flute, recorder,
		oboe, English horn, cello, French horn, harp, and guitar,
		in various combinations)

	The God of Life (songs inspired by Irish Christianity.  Instruments
		include hammered dulcimer, uillean pipes, harp, and other
		traditional instruments.)

For those interested in more detail about Talbot's life, a biography called
_ Troubadour for the Lord _, by Dan O'Neill, has been published by Crossroad
(1983).

_____________________________________________________________________________

                                              Nancy Tinkham
                                              nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:49:18 CST
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Subject: Re: Yo' beez a Saint!

Your Holyness

Mnnnn.....Uhhhh.....I think canonization is a precipitation, let's beatify
Brother Tom first and we'll see about caninization later.

Shalom,
St. Memo.
:-)