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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:31:36 -0400
From:         lou@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Menu organization philosophies
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              22 Jul 92 21:51:06 EDT." <9207230158.AA02579@csmil.umich.edu>

Hi Rich.  I'm glad to hear about the work you're
initiating with Gopher organization at MSU.  Sounds
like you have some good approaches under consider-
ation.  I've been meaning to message you to see what
ideas/suggestions you might have in regards to shar-
ing some of the load for commonly mounted types of
information, eg, Internet-accessible library catalogs.
We've had offers from others to work on these things
but it might make more sense to work with neighbors
who know each other and are already members of exist-
ing consortiums.  Please message me, or send your
phone number with good times to reach you and I'll
give you a call.

--Lou Rosenfeld, UM Library
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Yes, I do know Terry 'Mad Dog' Loftus. Had a lot of correspondence
with him. You should try out their system - it is great!

telnet pimacc.pima.edu

You'll need to use either the VAX 8700, RS6000 or PS/2 with Clarkson.
No good from an IBM 3090

Runs on a VAX and makes great use of VT100 capabilities. A little
similar in places to VMS_TUTOR which I worked on some years ago.
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From:         TURNER@UMDC.BITNET
Subject:      900-Number Survey

  Rich:

  No fair. You didn't answer my questions!

  But to set a good example, I'll answer your questions
  anyway.

  We are thinking of making some information available,
  and so need to look at possibilities -- including 900
  numbers. I am not sure whether our info will go on
  the Internet through WAIS or on individual campuses
  (or both), but from what I know of Gopher, I am not
  sure it would be appropriate.

  I'll keep you informed.

      --Judith Turner
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:33:57 EDT
From:         AA10000 Wally Knapp Computer Services x461
              <AA10%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Questions on Starting a CWIS
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> We are in the process of setting up a CWIS, and I'd appreciate sugges-
> tions in the following 3 areas:
........
Our CWIS is evolving and we seem to spend a lot of time just coming up
with ideas of what to include and then menus to access the items.

Would any of you out there care to ship around on the net the main menus
you use for access.  They would be very useful in helping a new user get
started.  Many of us aren't on Internet so we can't dial in and access
the systems directly.

Thanks so much for your help.

Regards,  Wally Knapp

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:09:00 -0500
From:         R080MK72%VB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET
Subject:      Away Forever

Greetings;
 I have accepted a new position at the University of Washington.
If you wish to contact me there the address is
mkibbey@u.washington.edu
I will be available there part time starting April 29th.

If you wish to contact someone about Project Mercury or other
areas associated with CMU consult the list below:

 Tom Dopirak- Mercury Systems  td20@andrew
 Melanie Myers - LS/2000 & LIS operations   mm2r@andrew
 Denise Troll - Mercury Research   dt20@andrew

- Mark
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:20:21 EDT
From:         Janet Price <jprice@HOBBES.KZOO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 900-Number Survey
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              92 5:37 pm

Judith,
>   Does your institution block access to 900 numbers?
In fall we will begin a new arrangement for long distance service to
students that ties their bills to a pin number rather than to the
phone number.  The reason we're doing this is so that all long
distance bills can be attributed to an individual in a student suite.
if we were to allow 900 numbers, which bill to a phone number, we'd
be destroying our solution to the problem.  Students will be able to
make 900 calls with a credit card however--I think.  We'll know more
when the system is implemented.
>   Does it do so for everyone's phone, or just for some
>   lines? If only certain phones are blocked, how is
>   the decision made?
Only for student lines.
>   Are there any other restrictions on outgoing calls?
No
>   What is your college or university?
Kalamaoo College
>   I would be happy to summarize responses if you send them
>   directly to me.
Would be interested in this.


--
            Janet Price (jprice@kzoo.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:05:31 CST
From:         "Terry D. Mathias (618) 453-7419" <GE0515@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS Menu Organization

By "organizational structure" I'm assuming you mean that those items which
fall under the VP for Student Affairs are in one section, those for Academic
Affairs in another, and so forth.  If my assumption is not accurate, there's
no need to read any further in this note.

The main problem with this approach is that it's based on an assumption
that users will know and understand the organizational structure.  This
is probably not a reasonable assumption.  Many staff, some faculty, and
probably few students actually know the organizational structure.  Staff
members have an advantage because they have to deal with the bureaucracy
every day.

Also, university hierarchies tend not to be as standard as one might
suspect from the outside.  Does student recruiting/admissions "belong"
in academic affairs, or student affairs, or (a new trend in U.S. public
universities) university relations?  Is housing a student affairs or
a financial affairs function?  Is the student center/union a facilities
responsibility or a student affairs responsibility?  There is no single
answer.

The better approach, we have discovered, is to initially ask users to
look at/try different formats, then tell you which one "works best" or
"is easier to use."  After all, they are the users.  We must remember
to start from where they are in order to get them (a) where WE want them
to be  OR  (b) where THEY want or need to be.  We are, after all, much
like the AAA; users tell us where they need/want to be, then we figure
out the best route to get them there.  (Ooops, sorry about the American
reference; AAA is American Automobile Association, which provides maps
and instructions for auto travel, among other services.)

Inevitably, a "topical" or "functional" setup usually wins.  And it is
usually best to place sections or items of general interest near the
top of a list, then intersperse items of more limited interest down the
rest of the list so that no particular subgroup of users is perceived to
have priority.

Theoretically, I suppose you could set up a system that reviews the
logon id to determine whether a user is faculty, staff, student, guest,
or whatever, then presents a menu which is customized to that particular
type of user.  But, WHY??
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Southern Illinois University at Carbondale       BITNET: GE0515@SIUCVMB
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:43:26 EDT
From:         Judy Hallman <hallman@GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Questions on Starting a CWIS
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu
              Computer Services x461" at Jul 29, 92 11:33 pm

>
> Would any of you out there care to ship around on the net the main menus
> you use for access.  They would be very useful in helping a new user get
> started.  Many of us aren't on Internet so we can't dial in and access
> the systems directly.
>
Sure, Wally, Here's ours.
  Judy Hallman, UNC-Chapel Hill
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                  Office of Information Technology
                       Information Center

                         1. About INFO

2. About UNC-Chapel Hill               8. Research

3. Academics                           9. Services and facilities

4. Directories                        10. Sports schedules

5. Events                             11. Student life

6. Human Resources (faculty/staff)    12. Transportation and parking

7. Publications                       13. Other Information Systems




Please type one of the numbers above or commands below and press return.
Commands:  Help  Quit  Find

    Enter menu choice number or command:
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:44:00 EDT
From:         STRUMING@ZODIAC.RUTGERS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Any X-Windows CWISes
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We at Rutgers have some X window applications as part of our CWIS
Connect to telnet info.rutgers.edu
Look under academics, catalogs at XNB
also look under About_Rutgers for FTP_maps

The system is supporting all type of terminals, and the X applications
are slowly added to be available for the ones who have Xterminals.

Leny Struminger		      (908) 932-3438; FAX (908) 932-0537
Network Res./LCSR	      struming@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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Hill Center, Busch Campus     To live an interesting life is a gift of wisdom"
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:49:45 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanks for responses; send more

Thanks to all those who responded privately to my query about CWIS menu
design philosophies. Please -- we could use more opinions. Please reply
to me privately and I'll summarize for the list later.

The questions were:

What do you think of the idea of the CWIS organization mirroring the
organization of the university? What organization scheme do you use for
your CWIS?

What CWIS is your favorite? Why? (Could be your own or some other one.)

Thanks again.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:03:00 EDT
From:         HOPPERSD@APPSTATE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Phone Books w/ departmental listings

In response to Mr. Wiggins' inquiry about departmental searches within a CWIS,
I think we have what he suggested.  We use Digital's VideoText.  Each faculty
and staff entry in our directory has included as a keyword the person's
department.  This allows a keyword search for   HISTORY  for example, to
create a dynamic menu of all directory entries with  HISTORY as a keyword.  We
constructed the dynamic menu title for each page to include the persons full
name and campus phone number, thus the dynamic menu on a name search (or
partial name search) results in everyone in the particular department being
presented along with their full name and local phone number.  We find this
feature very useful and it was an easily accommodated byproduct.

Steve Hopper, Appalachian State University, Boone, NC
HOPPERSD@APPSTATE
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:32:19 CST
From:         "Terry D. Mathias (618) 453-7419" <GE0515@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Main Menu Formats

OK, Wally Knapp, I can do that.  If anybody wants the concise history
about this current status, let me know.  Or if you need an explanation
of any of the sections.

BEGIN FORMAT
  :::::::::::::::  U N I V E R S I T Y   C A L E N D A R  :::::::::::::::
                                   MAIN MENU

            1.  Events and Activities
            2.  Grant Deadlines
            3.  Deadlines (other)
            4.  Hours of Operation, Schedules
            5.  Holidays, Breaks
            6.  Dates of Availability
            7.  Schedule of Testing (Testing Services)
            8.  University Placement Center Information
            9.  SIUC Job Vacancies / Spouse Placement Assistance
           10.  Notices and Announcements
           11.  Continuing Education Activities
           12.  Phone Numbers and Jiffy Directory
           13.  Travel and Hospitality Services
           14.  Women's Resource Directory (new - May 1992)

  Type the number of the section you want to see, then press ENTER ==> __
               Use PF2 to submit new items or offer suggestions.


                    PF1 HELP     PF2 COMMENT     PF3 EXIT

END FORMAT
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From: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle)
Subject: Re: Phone Books w/ departmental listings
Organization: Ministry of Information, William's Marsh
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:40:39 GMT

Rich Wiggins asks:
> Most university staff directories have a section sorted by name and a
> section organized by unit name. Does anyone have the departmental style
> listings on their CWIS?

The Rice University CWIS, currently running only as a prototype, has this
feature.  The people who generate our printed phone book gave me the staff
data in two forms: (1) a person-by-person alphabetical listing, from which
I generated a simple CSO database; and (2) a "hierarchical" listing by
department.  The latter I am serving out using WAIS indexes.  I found
that "paragraph" mode worked fine with very little massaging of the
input data necessary.  I glued both pieces together using Gopher, which
is the software platform for our CWIS as a whole.

Thus our CWIS has a menu which looks like this:


                             Rice Campus Directory

      1.  About the Rice Campus Directory.
      2.  Departmental Directory (92-93)       <?>
      3.  Staff Directory                      <CSO>


An individual shows up in the Staff Directory like this:

            name: riddle, prentiss a
      department: ncs/systems
           title: systems programmer ii
         address: 208 mudd
           phone: 5327
           email: riddle@rice.edu

...while my organization shows up in the Departmental Directory as:

      OFFICE OF NETWORKING & COMPUTING SYSTEMS .... 6059
        [NCS@rice.edu]
        [FAX 527-6099]
        Mudd Bldg.
          Farrell Gerbode, Director ............... 4988
              [FARRELL@rice.edu]
          Mark R. Williamson, Assistant to the
              Director for Technical Affairs ...... 4987
              [MARK@rice.edu]
          Charles A. Richard, Manager, Computer and
              Network Operations .................. 4981
              [CARICH@rice.edu]
          Richard A. Schafer, Manager, Network and
              Systems Support ..................... 4984
              [SCHAFER@rice.edu]

Since the Departmental Directory is served out using WAIS keyword
indexes, a user doesn't have to know an exact organizational name
to look something up: a shred of information, like the name of a
building or one of the faculty members or supervisors, is enough to
summon up the whole listing.  (Unfortunately it doesn't extend down
to level of non-supervisory grunts like me. :-) )

-- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
-- Unix Systems Programmer, Office of Networking and Computing Systems
-- Rice University, POB 1892, Houston, TX 77251 / Mudd 208 / 713-285-5327
-- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.
From: pearcera@RS6000.BHAM.AC.UK (Roy 'Baby' Pearce)
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Subject: Re: Intramural Sports schedules on CWIS?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:19:56 GMT
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And how might any system cope with 42,000 callers rying to get the latest
baseball (or table-tennis) scores on a Saturday afternoon! No reason not to
do it though - the typing could be useful training for the more dexterous
activities.
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From:         "C.K.Work" <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      Access to Southampton CWIS
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Red-faced apologies to the list.

I recently sent a message giving which included instructions on
accessing the Southampton CWIS. As those of you who tried will
know, access via the Telnet gateway to the JANET network won't work
- a problem with name registration. My fault for not checking!

The correct access procedure is to

a) access the JANET network

b) call UK.AC.soton.info

c) once connected to our local SpiderGate you will be asked for the
service name/address - respond with info

Very sorry for any inconvenience caused

Colin K. Work
Information Specialist (Ha!)
Southampton University Computing Services
C.K.Work@UK.AC.Southampton
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From:         STRUMING@ZODIAC.RUTGERS.EDU
Subject:      Rutgers Press Titles in Print
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I want to announce to all of you that starting today July 27, 1992 you
can find a list of all the titles in print for 1992 published by
Rutgers University Press.  To see the list connect to info.rutgers.edu
and select in the menu University, Upress.

Leny Struminger		      (908) 932-3438; FAX (908) 932-0537
Network Res./LCSR	      struming@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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From:         Chris Novy - WA9V <AXVSCCN@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS Weather

I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has weather data available via
their CWIS.  We have three weather data feeds here at Southern Illinois
University and I would like to suggest that we consolidate the feeds and
make the data available campuswide.  Please send replies to me directly
and I'll summarize if there's anything worth repeating.  Thanks.   ..Chris..
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Southern Illinois Univ.          Phone: (618)453-1683(w) or (618)457-6149(h)
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From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Phone Books w/ departmental listings

>In response to Mr. Wiggins' inquiry about departmental searches within a CWIS,
>I think we have what he suggested. We use Digital's VideoText. Each faculty
>and staff entry in our directory has included as a keyword the person's
>department. This allows a keyword search for HISTORY for example, to
>create a dynamic menu of all directory entries with HISTORY as a keyword.  We
>constructed the dynamic menu title for each page to include the persons full
>name and campus phone number, thus the dynamic menu on a name search (or
>partial name search) results in everyone in the particular department being
>presented along with their full name and local phone number. We find this
>feature very useful and it was an easily accommodated byproduct.
>
>Steve Hopper, Appalachian State University, Boone, NC HOPPERSD@APPSTATE

If I understand what you're saying, it's not what I meant. As I said in
my original query, with CSO one can search for a keyword in the
departmental title; that can work pretty well, but when someone is
browsing to see all the services in a departmental unit, you end up
doing much better with a true, hand-constructed, browsable list.

Certainly, index searches are useful, but they're not the same as a
browsable file.

/Rich (not Mr.!) Wiggins, MSU
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:51:06 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Menu organization philosophies

We have formed a committee to review the organization of the menus
on our Gopher service.  I've circulated copies of Judy Hallman's
paper, and we're preparing to roll up our sleeves for this task.

One proposal is to have the organization of our menus mirror the
organization of our university.  I'm curious if any CWISes out
there (Gopher or otherwise) follow this kind of scheme.  A variant
on this theme has been the proposal to have both a "functional"
view as well as an "organizational" one.

Does anyone know of any CWISes that reflect the organization of the
campuses they serve?

While I'm at it, what are your favorite CWISes out there?  Personally
I've always been impressed with MIT's Techinfo.  Any others high on
your personal list of favorites?

Finally, anyone with spare time and ideas is invited to look at our
Gopher service (gopher.msu.edu) and tell us how we ought to arrange
things.  Send me private mail if you'd care to do so.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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From:         Roy 'Baby' Pearce
              <pearcera@RS6000-1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Any X-Windows CWISes
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Anyone give me an address of CWIS with X-Windows Interface?

Roy 'Baby' Pearce
U. Bham, UK
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