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From: vilain@netcom.com (Michael Vilain)
Subject: Interview situation: what happened?
Summary: 6 months later, I find out the real reason for not getting the job
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:22:20 GMT

I went on an interview about 6 months ago for a company whose
products I knew about (I'd used the competitor's products because
I could get internal support thru local experts and newsgroups).
I met with the recruiter prior to the interview and felt she had 
really done her homework on this opportunity and that I fit the
skills profile the company was looking for.

During the interview, as I answered questions about my skills
and experience (they were looking for a technical support person)
and asked questions about the current product set and futures,
I became clear that I could do this job and would really like it.

I left the interview with feedback that I was a strong candidate
for the position and that there weren't that many they'd seen
who fit so strong technically.  I called the recruiter
immediately and discussed the interview and said I really wanted
this job.

I got a call at home an hour later fromt the recruiter who had
just spoken with the hiring manager.  Apprently, their feeling
was that I wasn't "sales oriented" enough.  I put it in my
little bag as a story of "you never know why" there isn't a fit
(either in dating or in a job interview).

Yesterday, I got a call from another recruiter who mentioned a
similar position and I asked if it was this company.  Surprize!
It was.  Either they're still looking or the hire left/was
promoted/whatever.  After talking about my experience, the
recruiter asked if I'd wore a suit to the interview.  I had not,
rather I wore a sport coat and matching slacks, blue shirt and
quiet tie (I hate the current trend in loud ties).  I even
shined my shoes.  Apprently this was it.  The recruiter has had
lots of luck with placing people at this company when they ware
suits, but even had an interview rejected on the spot who came
in wearing a sport coat.

In retrospect, I'm rather glad I didn't get this job.  Any company
who's culture can't tolerate differences such as appearence really
wouldn't know what to do with me.  I don't have the patience to
conform to some else's requirements on how I should dress or be.
I have the industry experienced they were looking for and needed
but didn't fit the culture.  Oh, well.  Good luck to them.
-- 
"Fantasy is the art of not being so picky" -- Armistead Maupin
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie" -- Dorothy Parker
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: suresh@ashwin.enet.dec.com (Suresh Subramanian)
Subject: Looking for info on job search (Ann Arbor - Oops! not Harbor but Arbor) 
Followup-To:  Looking for info on job search (Ann Harbor)
Reply-To: suresh@ashwin.enet.dec.com (Suresh Subramanian)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:10:17 GMT

I am currently located in greater Boston area.

I am looking for information on entry-level (MS Computer Science) job 
opportunities  in the Ann Arbor, Michigan area for my wife. 

Is there a separate newsgroup for jobs in michigan area? My news site does not
get mi.michnet newsgroup. 

I called Univ of Michigan's Employment offices and they said there is some
kind of dial-in jobs bulletin board. Unfortunately they did not know what
number to dial into. Anyone know of the number to dial in from the Boston area.

Is there any other (thr computer networks) avenues for job search in the
 Ann Arbor area?

Welcome email responses.

Thanks 
Suresh
  
Tx for the correction -> crl::jost@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Patrick Jost)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: frank2@odie.ee.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Work in Kuwait - info' wanted
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:39:53 GMT

In article <0fIL6__00iV241035q@andrew.cmu.edu> mk69+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Knapp) writes:

>well, according to the news this morning, it wouldn't be advisable to be
>either in a small town near the border with iraq, nor a warehouse guard.

I just knew I had come to the right place for advice! 

Thanks for the tip; I'll be sure to cross those options off my list.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,rec.travel
From: reil0766@mach1.wlu.ca (reilly derek)
Subject: work in France- EC job search help needed
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:56:04 GMT

I'm a british and canadian citizen living in Canada and looking for
summer employment in France. While there are many approaches available 
from Canada I would still greatly appreciate any information whatsoever
regarding summer employment overseas for british citizens. 
 Names of organizations,projects,and publications, tips, any and all help
will be of great service.

	Sincerely,
			Derek Reilly
From: richard@travis.csd.harris.com (Richard D. Piasecki)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Game Company Addresses
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:54:52 -0500
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: world
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Greetings everyone.

I'm looking for a list of the addresses for the personnel/human resources 
departments of any of the companies that design video games for personal
computers or game systems. Companies like Electronic Arts, Broderbund, 
Epyx, SSI, (any one of a million others), etc.... If anyone out there knows 
the addresses of the personnel departments of any of these companies, I'd
appreciate it if you would email them to me, since I don't read this group that 
much. If anyone else is interested as well, I will post whatever responses
I get. Thank you very much.


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From: smaripur@feds70.prime.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: FAQ: Recruiters and Agencies
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:43:20 GMT

Is there a listing of agencies and recruiters in the Texas 
and Colorado area?

Thanks in advance.

Satish
smaripur@feds70.prime.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: Re: What are some good reference books for a new manager/project leader ?
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:00:51 GMT

A while ago I asked :
>>What are some good reference books for a new project leader/manager ?
>>I'm particularily interested in good interviewing techniques, etc.

The responses were :

	*The Mythical Man-Month*  -- Brooks
	*Peopleware*              -- DeMarco & Lister

and everything by Gerald Weinberg.

	fred
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From: doreen@wpi.WPI.EDU (doreen)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How do I know what position I want?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:56:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


 I will be interviewing for a Co-op job soon, and I was wondering how I am supposed to know exactly what I want to be doing! I am an Aerospace Engineering major at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) in Mass.  I know I want to work 
with NASA and the Space Program...but that is a fantasy in today's job market.
My problem is that I don't know my options as far as positions in an Aerospace Company...the only two I know of are design and sales...Can anyone fill me in on what some other engineering positions within an Aerospace or Mechanical Eng.
company are? 
I would appreciate any and all help!
THank you in advance

Doreen 


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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:57:43 GMT

In article <1i3bhfINNah2@gap.caltech.edu> briscoe@cco.caltech.edu (Duke P. Briscoe) writes:
>worry about the rest (unless you have a major accent and plan to be a
>salesperson in some small Southern town).

That's the point, why should having an accent be a problem?  I've heard
of more problems with a northerner in the south than a southerner in the
north.
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Pittsburgh jobs? What are the good companies/head hunters?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  9 Jan 93 01:49:13 GMT

Whats up in Pgh? There isn't a paper so I can't buy the Sunday paper.

The ideal job would deal with computer graphics.

What's ALCOA like to work for?
What's Westinghouse like to work for?
"     the super cpmputer center "?
Thanks for your time.
Mitch

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dlbradle@jhawk.b30.ingr.com (Doug Bradley)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Reply-To: dlbradle@jhawk.b30.ingr.com.
Organization: Systems Communications, Intergraph Corp.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:00:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.205530.5447@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan2.005339.3029@cactus.org> ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega) writes:
|> >Speaking as someone born and raised in the South, I think it's safe
|> >to say that if you act like a "damyankee", you will be pegged
|> >a "damyankee".  :)

[stuff deleted]

|> employed all types--even southeners!  :-)  These southerners used to
|> complain all the time on how North Carolina was like this or they can do
|> that in Georgia or this is how it was in Tennessee.  Most of us just
|> said, "this is how we do it in New York.  You don't like it?  F*ck you!"
|> and not make a bigger issue out of it (I love New York elegance! :-).
|> -- 

And as Lewis Grizzard, columnist for the Atlanta Constitution, says about
nawtherners down here who whine about the South:

"Delta's ready when you are"

(love that southern gentility :)

--
doug
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:34:00 GMT

ges@stiatl.salestech.com (Gerald Sullivan) writes:

>alight@rock.concert.net (Alan R Light -- Personal Account) writes:
>>joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:
>>>Oh, one more thing about the South; one of the very few bad things I have
>>>to say about it.
>>>You may find a more pathological level of religion and related ignorance
>>>there.  You'll never wonder "Now why can't I find a bible-thumper when I
>>>want one?" because you will probably receive fairly regular visitations
>>>from various churches and religious groups in your community.
>>As a Southerner, I would just like to say that this is the sort of
>>"Damn Yankee" attitude that many of us dislike.  Some idiot proclaiming
>>that you ought to be polite because they have influence, for example.
>
>I'll second that. Many Northerners are pathologically ignorant about the South.
>Maybe they have seen too much TV. 
>As a lifelong resident (29yrs) of the dreaded and backward 
>South (Bowling Green KY, Nashville TN , Austin TX, and Atlanta GA) . I have
>had only one "bible-thumper" knock on my door. 

Well, I for one must differ with the previous two folks.  I was born in
Milton, FL and raised in Festus, MO, and most of my family is from
southeast Missouri and Kentucky.  For the last seven years I've
lived in Peoria, IL, and there is a very definite difference in attitudes,
especially concerning religion and 'related ignorance'.  While 'fairly
regular visitations from various churches' is a bit of an exaggeration, the
attitudes I've encountered are pretty horrific.  The bible thumpers don't
need to knock on your door....you run into them everywhere else anyway!

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden)
Subject: Re: Interview with PR Firm
Reply-To: lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:04:41 GMT

In article <C0K6Bs.3MF@athena.cs.uga.edu>, stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton) writes:
|> Hi guys, you all might remember me from a post yesterday, the
|> southerner in Baltimore going to an interview today.
|> 

	<bulk of text deleted>

|> Do you all happen to have any suggestions, comments, ideas?  Would you
|> just pick up and move for the opportunity to gain some invaluable
|> experience?  I'm just really curious to hear your output, since you all
|> have been very supportive in answering my previous questions.
|> 

Yes - go for it! Three months experience is better than none. If nothing
else, you should at least find out if you like working for small companies
and what it's like to work interstate.

And in a recession, job offers tend to be few and far between.

Keith
(working under contract out of my home state of South Australia)
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Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!cls    Jan 12 12:23:00 1993


Regarding my previous reply to the note titled Northerners moving
south, about the televangelists on tv:

In case there are any of you out there who misunderstood who I was
making fun of (I've been told in email that it could be taken another way),
I want to clarify that the people on tv that I am referring to are not black.  
I also was not making fun of their accents or their place of origin.
They are white people with stupid hair styles, stupid make-up, tacky sets, 
bad voices, etc.  


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From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: What are some good reference books for a new manager/project leader ?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:35:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Only a theoretical idea.

In article <1993Jan6.220051.25499@mks.com> fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) writes:
>A while ago I asked :
>>>What are some good reference books for a new project leader/manager ?
>>>I'm particularily interested in good interviewing techniques, etc.
>
>The responses were :
>
>	*The Mythical Man-Month*  -- Brooks
>	*Peopleware*              -- DeMarco & Lister
>
>and everything by Gerald Weinberg.

Read "Software Testing Techniques" by Boris Bezier. Minimally read the Introduction and Taxonomy
of Bugs chapters. You will learn that designing for testability equals in importance with testing
itself.

Without knowing what kinds of testing strategies exist and when to use them, you can not determine
your strengths or your team members'. Without such knowledge you cannot completely interview your
prospects (who will do the work)! Your scheduling will improve once you can identify your test
strategy. And maybe the product quality *might* improve! :)


Best wishes,

M.C. Engshun
"If it's not documented it never existed..."
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: isc@panix.com (David Koosis)
Subject: WANTED: X Guru for high-profile conract NYC //recruiter
Keywords: X Guru contract recruiter nyc
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:36:02 GMT


ISC Consultants, Inc. is seeking a top-level X guru
for a high-profile consulting position in the 
NY-metro area.  

Good pay.

Sane working hours.


Please contact me, David Koosis, ASAP, and forward resume
via email or fax.

regards,
David

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From: gkwan@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Greg Kwan)
Subject: Inappropriate Questions to Ask Interviewers
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:23:40 GMT

. How accurate is the clock?
. What newsgroups do you get?
. How long before I qualify for therapy reimbursement?
. Is commute time counted as work?
. How's your net connection for playing netrek?
. Which local restaurants mix the best drinks?
. Will the coffee room be far from my desk?
. Tell me about your severance package.
. Do you really fire people who lie in their application?
. I'm sorry, what does your company do again?

greg (preparing for another round of on-campus interviews)
From: fay@archsci.arch.su.oz.au ()
Subject: ASSOC LECTURER IN DESIGN COMPUTING -- SYDNEY UNIVERSITY
Reply-To: fay@archsci.arch.su.oz.au ()
Organization: Dept of Architectural & Design Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:03:41 GMT

UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
Department of Architectural and Design Science

Associate Lecturer in Design Computing (Fixed Term)
(Modified Readvertisement) 
Full-Time or Fractional
Ref. No. C01/01


The Department, which has an internationally recognised reputation for
its teaching and research in design computing, is seeking to appoint a
person to tutor and teach in the area of design computing at both
undergraduate and postgraduate levels and to assist in the operation of
its computer network.  The appointee should have experience with a wide
range of CAD and graphics software. The Department runs a variety of
networked Unix and Macintosh workstations. Duties also include
preparation of course material, and participation in the planning and
development of the design computing stream in the Department. The
appointee should have a good degree in computer science, architecture
or engineering. A postgraduate qualification or the pursuit of one is
desirable. The position is available either as full-time or 0.6
full-time. The appointment is for one year initially with the
possibility of extension for a further two years subject to need and
the availability of funding.

     Salary:   $28,700-$38,950 (pro rata)
     Closing:  21 January 1993

Applications:  Three copies of applications, quoting Reference No.
C01/01, should be submitted in writing and should contain a CV detailing
qualifications and relevant experience and the names of at least three
referees with their addresses and fax numbers. Applications should be
sent to:

	Assistant Registrar (Appointments)
     Staff Office
     University of Sydney
     NSW 2006 Australia

Further information from: 
     Associate Professor Mary Lou Maher 
     phone: +61-2-692 4108, fax: +61-2-692 3031 
     email: mary@archsci.arch.su.edu.au


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  University of Sydney NSW 2006 Australia ----- Tel (61) (2) 692 2328 
  Fax (61) (2) 692 3031 -------- Internet: fay@archsci.arch.su.edu.au
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: back to work
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:09:03 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: misc
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <ARA.93Jan1021335@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:

  and writes, and writes, and writes, and writes, and writes, and
  writes, and writes, and writes........

>
>In short, I am your average unskilled hard core unemployable, truculent bum,
>living off the generosity of others while officially contributing nothing 
>to the society I live in and it is only right that there is no
>mechanism for me to be rewarded for my attempts at reform and innovation
>and for the efforts I expend on informal education (which are considerably
>more extensive than I have indicated: I teach in invisible colleges.).
>
   Its called capitalism son.  Like it or not, egomania is not a
   sellable commodity.  It isn't what YOU think you are worth that
   determines what you get paid, it's what your CUSTOMERS think you
   are worth that determines this.  [customers would include
   employers...]  

   Thank goodness this is more or less the case...otherwise every
   self-important "legend in their own mind" would be able to live
   off the public dole and force working folks to pay for their
   self-indulgence.

   If you ever do decide to get an "honest" job, hopefully you are
   not naive enough to think your informal education requirements
   will be reduced.  

>Why the very idea, like the bums who wipe your windshield when you're waiting 
>for the light to change....
>
   Well, at least THEY have been known to do something
   useful....like cleaning a windshield.

   >:-)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Query on Vector Marketing Corporation
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:14:32 GMT

Based on the experiences of a friend who sold Cutco knives, they do
NOT do door-to-door sales; they go strictly on referrals.