HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: kick serve
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:41:57 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park


   You may want to refer to some tennis books.  Basically, what I
do (and not too well, as the kick is minor) is to move the racquet
on the back side of the ball (if that makes any sense) from
the 7 o'clock position to the 1 o' clock.  It helps a bit you
drop the head of the racquet behind the back then swing upward
and forward.   Some people think you come over the ball, and it
may have that sensation, but I don't think this happens, unless
you are really tall.  Some European players sometimes toss the
ball over their head, and arch their back, but this may cause
back problems, and may not be so necessary.  It seems to
require a bit of strength to create the kind of kick that
pros get.  Slice may be a bit easier since the objective isn't
to kick the ball but more to swing it wide.

    The easiest way (though certainly not the cheapest) is to
take lessons from someone knowledgeable, who can correct faults.
Otherwise, it takes a while to figure out what to do.  At
least, it took me a while.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong)
Subject: Re: US Open Final
Organization: Wayne State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:09:56 GMT

In article <HARI.92Sep14211936@robios6.me.wisc.edu> hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari) writes:
>
>> I think that if Sampras had not gotten sick he would have ended it in
>> three sets just like in '90.  I would expect something like 6-3, 6-3, 6-2.
>
>.. Just another dedicated fan giving to make excuses for his
>favourite's loss.
>

'm sure if Edberg was at his best, Sampras could possibly have lost as
well in three
sets, just the way you put it. Edberg in my opinion deserved to win. He
had fought his way through the tournament, playing three straight five
set matches against possibly his worst opponents - Krajicek, Lendl and
Chang. He even played the longest match in I think U.S Open's history
just the day before. Tennis is very much a psychological game. Pete was
very confident in the first set, and Edberg wasn't. Players have been
known to catch up easily on their opponent when they see that he looks
drained. With Pete's head down as often as it was, Edberg knew he could
try as many "chance" shots as possible. I loved the final. Both Edberg
and Sampras are nice to watch, but I believe neither was at their best.
When this happens, the mentally strong player wins.

I think there is too much being giving to Pete's being sick. Just when
in the match did he become that sick? Give credit where it's due. I
remember the Australian Open final a few years back when Edberg lost to
Lendl (he retired). We could see that he really could have won, because
he was LEADING before his injury became OBVIOUS. Are we to assume that
Pete got sick at the end of the second set?
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Strategic whining (was Re: Ramblings)
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:57:13 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

Anne Bilek <anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>"Shit!" at the umpire.  Before that, I was getting pretty sick of
>Becker's constant complaining that Lendl was "influencing" the calls with
>his complaints.  I don't remember Becker being such a whiner in recent
>years, but then maybe he was using it as a strategy, as Lendl said. 

Oh, come on. By the time Becker used the "His whining is
influencing the calls" argument, Lendl was whining on almost
every point. 

>anne bilek

Stan
From: jason@cs.uq.oz.au (Jin Song Dong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: The result of Thursday night (spoilers)
Summary: The result of Thursday night (spoilers)
Keywords: The result of Thursday night (spoilers)
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: jason@cs.uq.oz.au

Chang won in 5, final set 6:1.
Well done, Chang.

Lendl and Edberg 2 sets all, on serve on the 5th.
Good luck to Lendl. I hope Lendl can win the Open.
But if Lendl did not pass Edberg, he is still #1 in my book(Chang #2).
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: McEnroe doubles arguement ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:49:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep8.230507.4960@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, mhopper@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
 (Mark Hopper) writes:
>
>  I heard today from a friend that John McEnroe had become involved
>  in an arguement (hard to believe) while playing a doubles match.
>  From what I heard, one of Mac's opponents became upset while
>  McEnroe was arguing a line call with the offical.  None the less
>  some words were exchanged and after the match, Mac's opponent was
>  irate and was yelling at McEnroe that he wanted to meet him after
>  the match to settle things.  Also there were quite a few bleep outs
>  due to the fowl language.
>  I have been watching some coverage on USA but I have heard nothing
>  of the incident.  I was hoping someone else had seen it as well and could
>  fill in the details.
>     Thanks - MH
>
Supposedly, a Scott Davies' friend was making comments to Mac that Mac didn't
like.  It has been surmised by some that the friend was Shaun Stafford (the
woman Martina played in the first round.)  So Mac and Davies got into it.
Davies used obsenities and has been fined at least $2000.  Mac had no fine so
one may assume he did not use obsenities.  Some of the arguement was shown on
TV and Mac was quite calm, he was making his point to Davies but Davies really
went off - maybe defending his lady's honor.  No real details had been
published.
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From: gbalakri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ganeshkumar Balakrishnan)
Subject: Lendl/Becker head-to-head
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:27:30 GMT

Is Lendl going to continue the draught against Becker in Grand Slams or is
it going to be the first one for Lendl this time?
Hope he clears this blemish in his record soon.
Of course there is the other one - you all know what I am referring to.
Best of luck, Lendl.
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"The world is divided into people who do things -and people who get the 
credit" - Dwight Morrow
From: weber@ohm.york.ac.uk (Weber Martins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Oncins x Connors ... just a note
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:07:03 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

I know that US tv can omit what it wants but an important fact was
missed at Oncins-Connors match. At the very first game, Oncins
became injured after a volley. He was even treated by a doctor at the
interval.

I am not saying that Oncins was defeated only because of that but I
can't leave it aside... Maybe he thought he could win even though...

Connors is someone I really admire and I would be very glad to have
his game... (o: So, don't flame me...

Just a note, folks...

			Weber
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From: donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Any predictions?  Lendl vs. Edberg???
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:58:16 GMT

I haven't seen much discussion of tonite's Lendl-Edberg match.

Hmmmm, if Edberg is on, he should win, but Lendl sure has
been tough in the 5 set matches.  Ok, I'll go out on a limb.
I pick Edberg.

As long as I'm predicting... let's see... Courier vs. Sampras.
Pete (or Pistol, as Courier called him last night in the
post-match interview) seems to have found his way after
faltering somewhat in earlier matches.  As Courier also said,
though, he hopes Pete plays his second worst match ever
(his first being when he beat Pete last year at the open,
according to Sampras!!!).  I think Courier's return game
will determine the winner.  Courier had a lot problems
converting on break points against Agassi.  He probably won't
have as many if Sampras is serving well.  But the mental
edge goes to Courier.  Sampras isn't as streaky as he used
to be, but in long matches, he just doesn't sustain his
concentration.  I'll pick Courier.

OK,OK,OK, I'll just pick Courier to win the whole thing.


Actually, I pretty much like all the players that are left
(don't know much about Ferreira), and the tennis has
been super-great, so whoever wins, I'll enjoy!!!!

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From: twb@math.ufl.edu (Thad Beavers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Stafford
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:58:01 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Department of Mathematics


	Does anyone have any biographical info on Stafford?
	I know she is ranked in the hundreds, but how long has
	she been on the tour.  She hit some really good shots
	against Martina.  She also hits some descent pace.
	Is she just inconsistent the rest of the time.

	Thanks
	Thad

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From: maria@aisws5.cern.ch (maria varela)
Subject: Re: Give A. Sanchez credit
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Reasearch
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.223637.21048@cs.wayne.edu>, faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep10.143333.27851@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
|> >faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
|> >
|> >for a very boring final since Seles will defeat who ever she plays now.  The
|> >only person who had a chance of defeating her was Graf. Unfortunately Steffi
|> >just had a bad day yesterday.  Just wait till Seles wins in straight sets
|> >in the final.  Its happened before 91 it will happen again.
|> >
|> 
|> And what if Steffi had a "bad" day on the day of the final and Seles
|> beat her in straight sets? Anybody in my opinion, deserves to win,
|> whether it be because their opponent was making errors or they were
|> making winners. They could have been making the errors themselves.
|> 
I agree. First of all you have to be there to win or loose, and most of us will never make it ....!
Give the fighting young girl credit !

Maria Varela Diaz
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From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Give A. Sanchez credit
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:33:33 GMT

faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.121153.18647@cs.brown.edu> PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
>>I am not a Sanchez fan but I found it amazing that people won't give
>>her any credit for her win over Graf. Yes, Graf made a lot of errors
>>but if you were Sanchez and when you saw Graf was off, what would you do?
>>Keep the ball in play or compete for errors? Hitting hard is nice to
>>watch but playing smart will win matches for you.
>>
>>Quan
>>

>I agree with you. I have watched some matches where you win against a
>big server because of his double faults. I personnally believe that it
>doesn't matter how you win, but that you do. If your opponent is making
>too many errors, I feel it is better for you to just let him/her drown
>himself/herself rather than try to play spectacular and lose. Besides
>aren't champions known for playing smart rather than stupid? Why outwear
>yourself when you're having a lucky break? I could also say Graf beat
>Seles at Wimbledon because she was having a better day.

This is true about Wimbledon, but nobody would give Seles a chance on grass
against Graf.

Second, the whole annoying this about Sanchez victory is that it will make 
for a very boring final since Seles will defeat who ever she plays now.  The
only person who had a chance of defeating her was Graf. Unfortunately Steffi
just had a bad day yesterday.  Just wait till Seles wins in straight sets
in the final.  Its happened before 91 it will happen again.
From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ATP Men's Money Leaders: September 13th
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:23:09 GMT

MEN'S TENNIS LEADING MONEY WINNERS 
    (THROUGH SEPTEMBER 13TH)

 1. Jim Courier       $1,550,045
 2. Stefan Edberg     $1,367,029  
 3. Pete Sampras      $1,131,372
 4. Andre Agassi      $1,000,484
 5. Petr Korda          $793,823
 6. Michael Chang       $754,597
 7. Goran Ivanisevic    $708,371
 8. Michael Stich       $628,976
 9. Wayne Ferreira      $585,560
10. Emilio Sanchez      $574,248
 
GeSS
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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: RE: Out or Not?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:16:25 GMT


>From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timmer)
>Subject: Re: What's out?
>
>>        In tennis, when is a ball out or in?  I mean, what part of the
>>ball & what part of the line do you use?  Both ball & line are fairly
>>thick objects, but I have never known anyone to address this fine point.
>>
>>        I used to call balls in if any part of the ball seemed to touch
>>any part of the line, but I found that this put me at a disadvantage
>>because most people seem to use the center of the ball & the center
>>of the line.
>>
>>                Jeff Hanson (jph@u.washington.edu)
>
>
>Sounds like you're being cheated.  As far as I know, the court
>includes the entire line, to its outer edge.
>
>I can't quote the rulebook, but it's hard enough to see whether the
>ball hits some white.  How are you supposed to judge whether it
>touched some imaginary, infinitely thin line down the middle of the
>real line?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 If the ball hits any part of the line, the shot is definitely
 in.  In the spirit of sportsmanship, if I'm not sure whether the
 ball hits the outer edge of the line or not, my opponent gets
 the point.  No such thing as, "When in doubt, call out."

                                               -TEG
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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Automatic Tennis line calling
Keywords: US Open, McEnroe's bitching
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:22:23 GMT

They have installed this system on several of the courts and are using it
to call lines in the Masters Mens Doubles.  The metalic particals are in the
rubber part of the ball, not the felt or ink.  There is a metal detector system
imbedded in the court under the lines.  The paper likened it to an airport
metal detector.  The balls are being made by Wilson and reportedly have
identical characteristics to normal balls.  The results of the line calls go
to a laptop computer in the umpire's chair.  I do not know the protocol of
the "test" (probably not double blind).
Tom
From: dchao@en.ecn.purdue.edu (David H Chao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: This is a test...
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:20:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


If anyone outside of Purdue can see this test post, please send e-mail to:

dchao@en.ecn.purdue.edu

Thanks.
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open Questions
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:05:55 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep14.173106.27250@netnews.whoi.edu> lhamre@mbl.edu writes:
>I have two questions concerning this years US Open. 
>
>First,  Does anyone know the meaning behind the yellow ribbons all the
>players and announcers wore? 
>


This was in support of the Arthur Ashe AIDS foundation.


>Second,  what's the scoop with Andre Agassi and Barbara Streisand?  I seemed
>to miss all the gossip.  I guess Iwas too busy enjoying all the great tennis 
>to keep up on the other stuff.
>

Who gives a rat's ass!!!!
                                                 

						 The Rickster
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From: lk@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (lisa.a.krauth)
Subject: tennis data file
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:59:37 GMT
Keywords: tennis.c


Does anybody have an updated data file (1992 US Open) for the tennis.c program
that they could send me?  It would be greatly appreciated.

Lisa Krauth
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:30:27 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Agassi beats himself

>
I said Yesterday to Anne Dolce that whoever won last nights match would go
on to win the mens Open title, and I still stand by that statement. John
MacEnroe seems to agree. Friday and Saturday will determine if I'm right.
Now Courier faces Sampras and I predict Courier in four sets.
>

well, I think if Edberg can play some *consistent* games, he could
repeat. I watched the match against Krajcek and he played so up and
down--so inconsistently--it's hard to believe he ever won any Slams.....

--Vernon.
From: adusumel@chargers.ent.ohiou.edu (Nagendra Adusumelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:35:19 GMT
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens

In article <1992Sep14.173115.18911@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, stan@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stanley Kim) writes:
|> The US Open may be the richest tounament, but the ATP championships give
|> the most prize money to the winner right?  Anyone know the actual amount?
|> 1 mil? 2 mil?


500,000

NAGNEDRA
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: The Future of Women's Tennis (Re: Chris Evert's picks)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:24:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.084109.7479@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>
>   Also, Seles came pretty close to winning the Grand Slam this
>year.  Imagine that.  Two women's Grand Slams in five or so
>years.  I wonder if Monica can continue this or whether we
>will see some new up-and-comer (maybe someone with a fantastic
>serve and volley game  -- that would really be neat) from
>the juniors will be the person.

Yes or no, Graf beat Seles very easily at the Wimbledon final.
While Seles was clearly off that day contributing to the one-sided
result, there is no doubt in my mind that Graf is superior on grass.
On the other hand, Seles had three very close matches at the
French Open; she was down in the third sets again Kijimuta, Sabatina
and Graf. Not that she didn't severve to win, but Seles had such an easy
time at the US Open minaly because of all the upsets happening around her.
I guess the bottom line is that it is very hard to win the Grand Slam.

As we discussed recently, on the women's side, the trend is more
and more power baseliners with little strategy. They tend to have
two-handed backhands and even two-handed forehands like Seles
and simply pound the ball as hard as they can in every stroke.
Filaman might disagree with me, but I still think this trend is
the result of modern recquet technology, at least on the women's side.
I have some doubts about these youndsters can become consistent
enough to challenge Seles' #1 position any time soon.

The way I see it, unless Seles has an accident or something,
she will definitely continue to be the #1 player for a while.
Graf can make a comeback only if she actually enhances her game,
as I thought she was doing in the first half of this year. Perhaps
her shoulder injury is affecting her. Sabatini simply lacks
motivation, especially in the second half of the year.
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Pat Summerall (PLUS: aborted 60 Minutes)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:52:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <BuKMqM.7sn@ecf.toronto.edu> bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John) writes:
>In article <eyu2qB1w165w@knex.Gwinnett.COM> gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar) writes:
>>CBS TV announcing team has Pat Summerall. I cannot understand why he is
>>there. He does not seem to know much about the game, nor does he provide
>>any color. Other than repeating scores, agreeing with comments by others,
>>he does not appear to contribute much. Just why is he there?
>
>Agreed.  But I'd guess he's there for much the same reason that Enberg does
>NBC tennis.  They are "headquarters" guys with broadcasting voices.

Two announcers are probably enough to cover a match. Summerall and
Enberg essentially play the role of a "host" rather than contributing
anything major to the commentary; they tend to sit in the middle,
for example. We probably won't miss much if they are not there.
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From: sam@rabbit.inesc.pt (Shafik Ameen Mahomad)
Subject: *NOT Spoiler* What a MATCH !!!!!!!!
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Distribution: rec.sport.tennis
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:33:09 GMT



        Have you been glued to the TV set from 1:00 am till 6:00 am
        watching the fabulous match : Lendl vs. Becker ???

        If You didn't, get a tape from a friend !

        Who agrees with me that this was one of the best matches of
        this year (given the circumstances) ?? 


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