HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Who cares what whites think about racism ?
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.011258.5522@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:

     [...some stuff deleted...]

> I only said that I want AfAms to do the
> same things that whites do like whites support white businesses, whites  
live
> in predominately white areas, whites attend white schools. When I say  
that I 
> want AfAms to do the same things, then of course, the white scream that  
this
> is seperatist. Is it seperatist because I don't want AfAms to continue  
to
> run behind whites and continue to beg them to accept us ?

     Dowdy, I have generally found that, when whites and blacks use the  
word "self-help" wrt black folk, the two are talking about two very  
different things. When a black person says that black Americans need to  
help themselves, s/he means that blacks should get together *as a group*  
and help each other out, whether it be in education, or in housing, or in  
finding job opportunities, etc. When a white person says that black  
Americans should help themselves, s/he usually does *not* mean that black  
folks should organize together as a group. S/he means that each black  
American *individually* should help him/herself, i.e. the black person  
should *on his own*, educate himself by going to the library, checking out  
some books, and reading them. Or buy a newspaper and look in the  
classified ads for job or housing opportunities.

     This leads to the question of why so many whites approve of, say,  
Italians, or Jews, or Koreans, helping themselves through group  
solidarity, but disapprove when Africans propose doing the same thing. In  
the other cases, the size of the groups is quite small, so they pose no  
real or imagined power threat, no matter how well organized they may be.  
But there are one hell of a lot of Africans in this country, and the  
thought of well-organized Africans scares a lot of white people (one black  
man helping himself is admirable; ten black men helping each other out  
constitutes an insurrection). The image of the slave insurrection still  
has a too much of a grip on a significant portion of the white psyche, I'm  
afraid.  

     [...stuff deleted...]

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Education
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 12:04:39 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

In keeping with my own wish to advance the discussion, will pose a 
question:

How do we improve our educational system so that all children get an 
equally good grounding right off the bat?

And within that, a sub-question:

While we're trying to improve education across the board, how do we 
ensure that black children and other minority children don't end up being 
psychologically sabotaged in the classroom by the very people they look 
to to teach them?

In the event that school districts fail or refuse to meet these 
responsibilities, how do we go about obtaining on our own a good 
education for our children?
G.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: sarinana@Ingres.COM (Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and Feliz Navidad!)
Subject: Definition of Kwanza.....?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:32:40 GMT

I've been hearing a little about the celebration of Kwanza or Kuanza (not sure
of the spelling.) and I wanted to know more about it.  This is something new
to me and I was hoping that someone could explain to me the meaning
of this celebration.  Thanks.  

Linda 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:02:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa,local

In article <1992Dec18.124513.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
|   Whatever the case, the only nations that have and are going through civil
|   unrest, regarding race, are South Africa, U.S. and Germany.  

Not including clans/ethnic conflicts is cheating.
Sri Lanka, India, Mali, Bosnia, and many of the states in Africa.

The 'civil unrest' in the US just isn't on the scale of problems
in the rest of the world.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: MIM Review: "South Central"
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:18:43 GMT

In article <o3mBwB4w165w@nyxfer.uucp> mim@nyxfer.UUCP writes:
>The timing of the anti-gang message of South Central is obvious.
>Why does Hollywood speak out against gangs just after the Los
>Angeles uprising has fueled an unprecedented gang truce in that
>city? 

Why doesn't Hollywood speak out against the mafia ? It is a gang,
right ?
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: Mssrs. King & Denny
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:54:28 GMT

In article <3BykwB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
>
>the four uniformed thugs who clubbed Rodney King into Brain damage
>*never* should've been allowed to walk....

  Not so.  The prosecuting attorney should've never agreed to the jury.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
From: DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter)
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 23:39:28 EST

In article <1992Dec18.045728.27773@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
ndw2u@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Nicole Danielle Woodard) writes:
 
>The claim that African-Americans are just like other minorities
>that have come to this country is completely erroneous.  From
>the moment of our interaction in North America, whites
>exploited African-Americans.  Unlike any other minority, the
>oppression of African-Americans was legislated by the founders
>of this nation since its inception.  The oppression
>began with slavery and continued with disfranchisment, Jim Crow
>laws, the Black Codes, segregation, and it continues today
>through covert forms of oppression.
Really?  That's sincere, not sarcastic.  I don't live in the real world,
I live in a town in NY with an African-America population of at most 10 out
of 3000.  Yet even while I've probably only know 5 or 6 African-Americans
personally, I don't think I have a deep-rooted hatred for any minority group.
At the same time, I'm not qualified to debate what the rest of society
believes.  I guess I have a hard time believing there is an underlying
prejudice against African-Americans throughout white society.  Prejudice
is a personal, not societal matter isn't it?  My fear however, is that
because of AA, I'm going to have an extremely difficult time finding a job -
much more difficult than a woman or minority will.  Don't get tripped up
by this question:  Is is worse for an African-American to be prejudice
against a white because his/her ancestors were slave-holders, or is it
worse for a white to be prejudiced against an African-American because
his/her ancestors were slaves?
                                   -Brad Porter
PS - Could someone tell me what is PC:  Blak, Black, African-American, and why?
DRPORTER@SUVM
From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: testing (please ignore)
Date: 23 DEC 92 20:49:14 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: edison.usask.ca

this is a test only. ignore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: osinubi@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (chris.o.osinubi)
Subject: !!AJIBOLA OSINUBI, PLEASE RESPOND!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:29:02 GMT

From article <199212162131.AA18090@tuna.wang.com>, by AJIBOLA.A..OSINUBI@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Ajibola A Osinubi"):
> Are there any people from Kenya on this network?
> 
> Ajibola.Osinbi@OFFICE.Wang.com

Hello Ajibola,

Please, contact Chris Olusegun Osinubi.

Home phone:     (312) 871-2803
Work phone:     (708) 224-7611
Home fax:       (312) 281-2699

Later.
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Of languages and math - this in re to create or not to create another sca baby
Date: 24 Dec 1992 23:22:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu
Summary: A bit of explanation is in order here...

In article <1hdb4tINNj03@mozz.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
[article deleted]
The whole point of posting that here - in case someone thought it should
have gone some place else - is that someone said that they thought it 
would be more difficult to teach/talk science in most of the African
languages...and this dude (I'm talking about the guy who wrote the article
I posted here) thinks that it is as hard to talk math in English and
other european languages. Thus if it is true that scientific terms would
be hard to "come by" in some African language, then that language is in
good company! MHO is that scientific terms can be invented in whatever
language one wants to use: example, when AIDS was first "discovered", it was
hard to describe it in native southern African languages but some very clever
persons came up with new words (unofficial, you understand) such as
"magawagawa" in Chichewa, I think (and if memory serves, the term literally
means "shared around"), later someone started using "matenda gha boma" -
"the govt's disease" in another southern African language...I think they
now use "edzi" in Chichewa but don't take my word for it!




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:EGYPT: World Bank loan to build tourism infrastructure
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:05:36 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: EGYPT: World Bank loan to build tourism infrastructure


washington, dec 18 (ips) -- just as the egyptian tourism industry
is struggling to survive a series of attacks against tourists by
islamic activists, the world bank has announced its approval of a
130-million-dollar loan for the country's tourism infrastructure.

the new loan announced friday will include the financing of
private sector development of two key sites on the red sea coast --
ras abu soma and sahl hasheesh.

the project, which will be supplemented with a 4.75-million-
dollar grant from the bank-related global environment trust fund,
also seeks to improve the environmental practices of the tourism
industry.

in a statement, the bank noted that tourism has been the
country's fastest growing sector in the economy over the past five
years and was the second largest contributor to egypt's foreign
exchange earnings in 1990-91.

this year, tourism was expected to earn four billion dollars,
bringing it to the top spot among all economic sectors in egypt.

but a series of attacks by militants against foreign tourists,
including one last month in which a british woman was killed, has
staggered the industry, according to recent reports.

tour operators and hotel managers in cairo and luxor report a
decline of 60 to 70 percent in the number of tourists, the 'new
york times' reported earlier this week.

last august, islamic militants announced they would attack
tourists in upper egypt until the government of president hosni
mubarak ends a crackdown in the region which has seen hundreds of
alleged activists picked up and imprisoned.

the roundups have drawn strong protests from egyptian human
rights activists who charge that the police are committing torture
and other abuses against many of the detainees.

earlier this month, thousands of police and army troops, for
the first time, invaded a poor section of cairo, arresting at
least 600 militants in an action that many believe could result in
attacks against foreign tourists in cairo itself.

further damage to the tourism industry threatens to throw
thousands out of work. increased unemployment, combined with the
lost revenue, may further destabilise the economy, precisely at
the moment when the bank and the international monetary fund (imf)
are pressing the government to carry through on a major economic
reform programme, say analysts here and in egypt.
(end/ips/jl/yjc/92)
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: New US policy on Africa
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:30:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:

>On BBC last night (this morning?) there was a story about a new
>US policy document on Africa. I thought that it was quite odd to
>unveil a new policy on Africa a month before a new President comes
>into office, but the person who the BBC interviewed on the subject
>said that the document had had fairly wide consultation, and that
>the Clinton administration would be so busy when it came into
>office that there wouldn't be time to do any major review of policy.

I do not often get to hear or see the BBC feed locally here in the
NYC area, but it is of no surprise to me the incoming Clinton
Administration will stay with an Africa Policy developed under 
President Bush.  He stated during the election he was going to focus
on the domestic front, and with actions in Somalia and maybe in
Bosnia he will be quite busy.

>The story did not go into any detail about what the new policy was,
>but said that it would probably lead to a more active role -- for
>example if it had been in place already, there would have been earlier
>involvement in Somalia, and even direct intervention in Liberia.

Our well-too-long Presidential Election process delayed many policy
and program changes, affecting both the domestic and international
fronts.  It would not surprise me to see more U.S. military involvement
in troubled areas af Africa to assist in drought relief and protecting
food deliveries.  This would have to be under a UN mandate. How the
policy will reflect on South Africa remains unclear.  I think it would
encourage both the reform process and U.S. re-investment by private
corporations, but they will not have tax breaks as they have received
in previous years.

If anything is printed in the papers here, I will post the information.




-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
--------------------------------------------------
Reagan-Bush 1981-1988 + Bush-Quayle 1989-1992
An Era of Strong American Leadership
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Taxi wars
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:24:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <22 Dec 1992 00:01> Gavan Tredoux said to All :

 GT>Not so hot off the press. Goldstone finds that the taxi wars in
 GT>Alexandria are at root caused by commercial competition
 GT>and lawlessness, gangsterism etc. This receives zero coverage
 GT>in the local press, prone to air more sinister theories at the
 GT>drop of a hat.

Funny, I think I read it in a newspaper. Where did you find out about it? 
Smoke signals?

Maybe it received less coverage, but zero? No.

Of course the local press and the government and all are forever plugging the 
benefits of the free enterprise system, privatization and the like, so giving 
too much publicity to the taxi wars might make it too obvious that what 
they're advocating is a dog eat dog society.




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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: IPS:SOMALIA: Bush announces New Year visit
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:44:25 GMT
Organization: a gora

In article <C059wB.CEK@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
>print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.
>
>the visit also recalls former president ronald reagan's trip to
>grenada after the 1982 u.s. invasion there.


  Not really.  In fact, this the first time I have seen anyone
try to draw a connection between the two.
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: And the guru also said...no, not me. The guru!
Date: 24 Dec 1992 21:47:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In high school, I read number theory and realized the beauty of mathematics:
the simple unanswered questions and the ellusive, but simple, answers. Then
one day, I went to a library to look at journals/big books and alas...
mathematicians had invented abstruse, ugly methods to attack these beautiful
questions. At first I was saddened but then I looked up, and laughed and said,
"God, what fools these mathematicians must be"...God and I have been laughing
ever since!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Somalia News Update, No 45
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:09:54 GMT

In article <antbh.725719596@strix> antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander) writes:
>In this issue:
>SOMALI WARLORDS AGREE TO DISMANTLE "GREEN LINE"

The Somali warlords are at it again. What a shame!!! I wish the slave-trade
was still on. I would be the first person to sell these assholes on discount!!
Chit!!

kauta.

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From: pauling@seismo.CSS.GOV (Terry Pauling)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: RITES OF PASSAGE(info. needed)
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:33:04 GMT
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA


I need information on clitoral(female) circumcision for
a research project.

Specifically relating to rites of passage in East,West and
North African tribes.

Any information will be helpful.
Please send info. E-Mail.

Thank You
Terry

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: SADF Purge
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:53:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:08:13 GMT

In article <Dec.20.19.33.27.1992.8310@andromeda.rutgers.edu> David De
Trolio, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu writes:
>into retirement when SA seems to be at a crossroads.  I am sure the
>SA Press is having a field day with this news, and that the ANC in all
>of its arrogance will call for more and call for the State President to
>step aside.

So it's arrogant to demand that the government should prevent its
minions from carrying out murder and disrupting the peace process?

>Removing the members of the command structure of the defence forces is
>not going to change the attitudes or feelings of many it is ranks, and
>will surely not change the present course or policy of the SADF until
>the reform process is "complete" (whenever and whatever it will be.

The "ranks" of the SADF mostly consist of conscripts who probably are
70% for negotiation if they follow the trend of the population as a
whole (maybe slightly less because most draft dodgers are in the
ant-apartheid camp. I should also point out that the investigation
was done by a Lieutenant General, and may more accurately be seen as
a power struggle between the old gard cold warriors and more realistic
officers who would like to advance their careers under a future
government.

>>Even more interesting. Apparently criminal prosecutions
>>may follow.
>
>There is a constant cry here for special prosecutors for every single
>incident or dirty deal which happens and is discovered in American
>politics.  How or would something similar to this occur in the South
>African Government?  Is there an internal affairs department?

How many of these "dirty deals" involve murder, undermining the
(elected if by a minority) government's policies, etc.?

>David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
>--------------------------------------------------
>Reagan-Bush 1981-1988 + Bush-Quayle 1989-1992
>An Era of Strong American Leadership

If you edit out the word "strong" everywhere it occurs in a political
context and replace it by "stupid", the world starts to make a lot
of sense.
--
Philip Machanick
Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
From: jkatz@netcom.com (Joseph Katz)
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Dec 25: Text to speech in Thai
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:05:31 GMT

In article <9212231718.AA15105@ipied.tu.ac.th> kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
>
> 
>by Kulcharee Tansubhapol
> 
>CHULALONGKORN University's Linguistics Research Unit has completed the
>first  Thai text-to-speech system prototype for PCs -- a system that
>synthesizes Thai speech output using text input. The project will be
>further developed into a speech recognition system.
> 
>    ... much deleted ...
> 
>Those interested in learning more about the Thai text-to-speech system
>can contact Chulalongkorn University's Unisearch Centre. 


I am interested in this type of work, how can I contact the appropriate
researcher at Chulalongkorn?

--Joe Katz