HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:20:42 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Nov8.081454.21693@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
|> jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
|> : >davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:
|> : >
|> : >>What do those words "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and
|> : >>private" really mean?  (i.e from a '...we don't accept bills larger than x'
|> : >>point of view).
|> : 
|> : I also wondered about this when my friend's apartment owner (AOOAF) refused
|> : cash to pay her rent, saying that it was their policy to only take checks.
|> : My friend, un-confrontational as she tends to be, went ahead and wrote a
|> : check for it, but I got really angry.  After all, if the note is legal for
|> : all debts, you can't refuse it, correct?
|> 
|> Wrong. I can think of a number of reasons why a person would not want to
|> receive payments in cash. The not is legal, there is nothing in the law
|> that says it must be accepted.
|> 
|> Bill

That is not what "legal tender" means over here. It means that if
you offer cash to settle a debt, and it is not accepted, you cannot
be taken to court for non-payment. In other words, you cannot be
forced to pay by other means.

ObUL: Ever since the English one pound note was phased out,
there is no such thing as legal tender in [England | the UK].

John
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From: deand@bmerh404.BNR.CA (Dean Dillabough)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:08:51 GMT
Reply-To: deand@bmerh404.BNR.CA (Dean Dillabough)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <EBU.92Nov8210348@lk-hp-12.hut.fi>, ebu@snakemail.hut.fi
(Erik Bunn) writes:
|>In article <1992Nov8.103101.166@gems.vcu.edu> hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes:
|>
|>>I was reading an article in an "anarchist" magazine (I can't remember which
|>>one) that was talking about ATM (teller machine) "jackpotting".
"Jackpotting"
|>...
|>
|>Don't know about this one, but the ATM coup someone allegedly made in
|>Italy was pretty good =). Pick an ATM that's sunk into the wall
|>and insert a false cover over it. They made it realistic - keyboard,
|>motorized car slot, and a computer that first read the code number,
|>then announced that the card is damaged, please contact your bank.
|>The next night the false ATM would be moved and the cards and
|>corresponding PINs utilized to the fullest.. 
|>
|>Such a simple, elegant solution, is it not?

 Then there's the brute force solution to ATM rip-offs as reported once around
 here. 
 1) Steal a front end loader.
 2) Dig the ATM out of the wall.
 3) Load said ATM onto a stolen truck.
 4) Run away.
 5) Have at the ATM with the cutting torch (or similar) at your leisure.

 Its true. I saw it in the paper here around a year ago. 


                        Dean Dillabough (No shoes, no shirt, no sig)

                     
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: Microwave Death
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:01:46 GMT

In article <CINDY.92Nov11202231@solan10.solan.unit.no>, cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
|> [stuff deleted]
|>
|> Microwaves do NOT cook things "from the inside out".  If you don't
|> believe me, put something that melts easily, like a small block of ice
|> or a bowl of ice cream, in a microwave.  Zap it for short periods of
|> time, checking the melting pattern as you go along.

Great!  But, do ice cubes made from boiled water melt faster than the
ones made from tap water?

---
YuNoHoo  "this was bound to happen, cooking ice cream in the nuker"
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Subject: Re: Southern style sex
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:22:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.161913.6188@aber.ac.uk> sym@aber.ac.uk (Stuart McIntyre) writes:
>Britain has a sodomy law also, but an exception has been made for men,
>making it still illegal for a male-female couple to practice sodomy.

To my knowledge it does not bar blow jobs so it is not sodomy which is illegal,
but anal sex. Except:-

With another man over 21, In private, and you must not have a third person.
Note you would have to be over 21 and a bloke so your partner can comply
with the law.

Also male rape is not a crime in its own right. The police usally try
'Buggery without consent' - two years max. Or they try GBH (Grevious Boderly
Harm) a six year job.

Those interested in other bits of info:-
The legal age of consent is 16. I heard that only the girl has to be 16 the
guy can be of any age, but it is only the man who gets punished.
Britain also has common law couples. This is happens after you live as a
husband and wife for 6 months. Its usally the Social who uses this law as
benefit to a couple is less than to 2 single people, but I've not heard of 
anyone using it to get the tax benefits you get if you are married.
-- 
Dave                                                       cmh004@cck.cov.ac.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call this place what you like - Coventry University, Coventry Polytechnic or
Lanchester Polytechnic it is all the same and is called school.
From: marx@meltdown.chi.il.us (Marx Xram)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: another UL
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:23:51 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

in the Chicago Tribune today
nov. 10, 1992, there is an
article about the ugly rumor
(or "rumour", for our Canadian
friends...:-)that Ernie, the
muppet, is dead. Seems cause
of death varies with locale,
but the "news" has apparently
reached Chicago now, and here
it was a car accident that 
"done him in"...
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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Date: 10 Nov 1992 08:28:02 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <1992Nov8.103101.166@gems.vcu.edu>, hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes:
> I was reading an article in an "anarchist" magazine (I can't remember which
> one) that was talking about ATM (teller machine) "jackpotting". "Jackpotting"
> an ATM machine involves cutting the data lines to the machine and splicing in
> your personal computer. When you put an ATM card in the machine your computer
> intercepts the ATM's account inquiry messages. It then returns, of course, an
> infinite balance on the account, along with other appropriate information
> allowing you to withdraw as much money as you can from the machine. The article
> said someone had succesfully done this for a take of several thousand dollars.
> The article did not give any technical details about the procedure. My question
> is: Is this really possible or is this article just a figment of someones
> overactive imagination? Has anyone else heard of this being done? Would anyone
> care to speculate on how they pulled it off?
> 

It seems unlikely. Comms between ATMs and the banks are encrypted, and (here
in Europe at least) ATMs can hand out money even if they can't contact
the cardholders bank, so some of the control must be excercised locally
by the ATM with the info that is on the card. If the card is encoded
with "$300 max per day" thats all the ATM will issue.

I did see this story in comp.risks though:

The Dutch bank Rabobank has discovered a fraudulent use of their cash
dispensers (The term ATM is not commonly used around here. A cash dispenser
does just that - dispense cash from your bank account).  After you have
supplied your card, PIN, etc, banknotes for the desired amount will appear
between the "jaws" of the machine. The notes are held rather firmly, and the
jaws have a detection device to sense when the money has been removed.  If you
do not take your money within a given time, the machine will swallow it back,
and undo the transaction on your account.  The trick is that it appears to be
possible to remove part of the stack of notes without the machine noticing. AND
THE MACHINE DOES NOT COUNT THE MONEY IT TAKES BACK.


Steve

-- 
Steve McKinty
SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: tlhayes@eos.ncsu.edu (TERRI LYNN HAYES)
Subject: Re: Question about "T." in James T. Kirk !!!!!!  (As seen on TV)
Originator: tlhayes@c00385-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tlhayes@eos.ncsu.edu (TERRI LYNN HAYES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:28:50 GMT


I was just curious about a couple of things, as this article made 
almost no sense to me.....

1)  I thought that Majel Barrett was Gene Roddenberry's wife and

2)  Are you talking about a REAL episode??  I was completely lost.

Thanks for your patience in answering what may appear to be
ridiculous questions.

Terri
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Toilet paper: over or under?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:15:18 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
	<1992Nov12.183837.20676@unet.net.com>
	<1992Nov12.221434.23214@u.washington.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: functor.systemsz.cs.yale.edu
In-reply-to: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:14:34 GMT

starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:

   I fail to see why the "under" method makes any difference.  I mean, I'm 
   sure a child (or even a dog) has the dexterity to pick up the toilet paper
   when it's in ANY position (save being taped down) and drag it all over the
   house.

Well, we dunno about children or dogs, but if you're a *cat* it's
definitely easier to TP the whole house if your owner leaves it
hanging down over the front of the roll.  You just need to reach up
and paw on the front of the roll, and out it comes!  Wheeee!!!  Too
bad *our* human has already figured this out and puts the TP in the
other way now....

-Slinky and Nerfball the cats
(with help typing from Sandra the human)
From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:28:51 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

stirling@ozrout.uucp (Stirling Westrup) writes:
 
>The story of Halloween (as it was related to me as a child) is that an
>old tradition said that on All Hallow's Eve (The day before All Saints
>Day), various infernal creatures would roam around, looking for mortals to
>torment.  Now, Devils, Demons, Imps and the like prefer to work where other
>of their brethren aren't around to cramp their style.  So, the good people
>figured that if enough of the normal folks in an area dressed up as infernal
>creatures, the *real* nasties would give the region a miss, and look for
>someplace that was rather less crowded.
>
>I never have understood quite why the day before All Saints Day should be
>such an infernal day though.  Anyone out there have any ideas?

Sure.  The Christians stole an ancient Celtic (that's Keltic, not Seltic)
holiday, called Samhain (pron sah-ween) and made it over for their own uses.
The Samhain festival was the Celtic new year, and on that day the Celts 
believed that the spirits/souls of all the previous year's dead went to their
eternal rest.  So the holiday was rife with stories of these shades making
their final appearances before departing, and this (in part) is where the
stories of "infernal creatures" came from.  It was also apparently tradition
that folks go from house to house trading or asking for food.

Lots of great community rites were held as well.  Huge bonfires were built
using coals from each homestead's "hearth fire" (the fire that was kept lit
all year) in the spirit of unity, and afterward the hearth fires would be
relit for the year using coals from the bonfires.  Pretty nice tradition, if
you ask me.  Lots of community spirit without the heavy-handed idealistic
claptrap of the American experience...

But I digress...

Source:  a "Natural History" article from about 10 years ago (from memory).

ObStuff:  it's really interesting to examine how various religions heisted
one another's holidays for their own uses.  Look at All Saints <-> Halloween,
Saturnalia <-> Christmas, Beltane <-> Easter for some examples.

Wow, a whole posting without mention of Disraeli, Gladstone, Churchill, POSH,
Snuff, Chevy Novas, or the Terries!

errr, well, never mind...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dick "born-again Buddhist" Joltes			joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet 
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Legal Wives Tales
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:16:53 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <1d6notINNol7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
    rxh6@po.CWRU.Edu (Randall Holt) writes:

| the expert. So they write off to Charlie Goren, the late bridge genius and

Neat trick.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:03:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

  RE "Okay, that's it.  Terry, get the gun."

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) offers Bill Nelson some advice:

  +Bill, you can make your getaway during the confusion about WHICH Terry
  +is going to go get the gun.  Unless there is really only ONE Terry
  +(who likes to talk to himself in public).  

Hah!  That's exactly it!  They're ALL getting their guns!  Buy stock
in Smith & Wesson and Colt now!

  +--Scott "the only Scott Cromar on the North American continent" Cromar

Isn't that in the eastern hemisphere?  Or is that southern?

Terry "You're all going to diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
From: dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes)
Subject: Ex-presidents
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Will pay money for food.
Date:  5 Nov 1992 11:19 EST  

The USA will soon have five living ex-presidents.  Has there ever been a time
in our history when we had as many or more living ex-presidents?

 - snopes

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| "Eating live worms shows a total disregard for living things.  We take a    |
|  very dim view and just wish people could think of other ways to raise      | 
|  money."                                                                    |
|                                     - Noeline Tamplin, RSPCA spokeswoman    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah Stockwell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Nickles (was Canadian pennies)
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:51:38 GMT
Organization: None

In article <1992Nov1.054511.15645@midway.uchicago.edu>,
pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct23.005228.25049@brtph560.bnr.ca> denebeim@brtph254.bnr.ca (Jay Denebeim P025) writes:
> >In article <Bw8Hqx.JG7@ipsa.reuter.com> pki@ipsa.reuter.com (Phil King) writes:
> >>We also use the odd word "loony" to describe a dollar coin, since a loon
> >>originally appeared on the coin.  Now that the new design has been introduced 
> >>I wonder if that usage will persist.
> >
> >Oh, I don't know.  What else would you call a coin that was
> >practically the same size as another coin which was worth one quarter
> >as much, and half the size of a coin that was worth half as much, and
> >had already been laughed out of existance in the country nearest you?
> 
> Maybe you are thinking of the US 'dime', which is (almost sort of kind of)
> the same size as the 'penny' and is worth 10 times as much, but is about
> 2/3 the size of a coin which is worth half as much?  (The numbers are
> slightly different, but the idea is the same...)

Actually, I think (s)he was thinking of the Susan B. Anthony dollar, which
was about the same size as the quarter (and half the size of a 50-cent
piece), which came out about ten years ago and is still used for change in
Pennsylvania transit ticket machines.

--Sarah
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: [Insert series here] better than START TREK
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:26:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.211732.27458@cbfsb.cb.att.com> drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.r.wells) writes:
>>
>>Look, if we're going to talk about this, I want someone to refresh my
>>8-year-old's (about then) memories (ya, some 8 year old gave them to
>>me!) about _THE STARLOST_.
>>
>YUK! GAG! AAAAAACK!
>   
>Arguably the worst Sci-Fi series ever put on TV. You'd think with Harlan
>Ellison writing they could do better. Another Star Trek tie in (besides
>Ellison writing), I believe Walter Konig did a guest spot as Oro the Alien.


I hasten to point out that Ellison goes on and on about this point in
one of his books (think it's Angry Candy).  In said short, Ellison
proceeds to blast the network execs in control of the show for taking
his original ideas and stories, saying thank yoy, we love them, and then
proceeding to re-write virtually everything that made them good SF.
Ellison uses this as the reasoning behind why hewould never write for TV
again.  Incidently, he cites his butchered episode of Trek in the same
article.  For Ellison, the drug user theme of "City..." was very
important.

Don't blame him for the incredibly lame "Starlost".


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary L. Schroeder  		|  
schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov         |        It's a pomaceous life. 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  | 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:24:31 GMT

In article <JBORE.92Nov10105728@cosmos.shearson.com>, jbore@cosmos.shearson.com (Joe Bore) writes:
|> one day i was curious as to how much money was stored in your average
|> full atm, so i spotted a guy filling one up and asked him.  Besides
|> his obvious reservations about telling me any info he said that the
|> average atm has at least $75,000 dollars and bigger ones can go up to
|> $150,000!
|> 
|> personally i found that to be quite a shock!  has anyone else heard
|> such similar info???

The norwegian ones doesn't usually store that much in US$ bills...

---
YuNoHoo  "...but the multiple currency ATMs with Italian lire are fun"
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Minutes of A.F.U. West [Terry|3|4]    (long)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:46:42 GMT


Why do you think I cancelled it after a few days?  I knew enough to preempt
the flood, so it was just a trickle.


	Bob "nobody could be that stupid"* O'Brien

*my nomination for motto or book title, for sheer irony


#### referenced article FOLLOWS my comments ####

In article <721161644.AA07844@csource.oz.au> Terry.Smith@f870.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Smith) writes:
> RO> I'm publishing the minutes, as requested, for all to enjoy.
>	Risky!!, how many qoted replies today? :-)
>Terry
>
>
>
> * Origin: Elizabeth Park BBS (3:800/870.0)
>


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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Trilateral commission
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1dg4ilINNjsk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>And last but not least, the third of three TLC posts. From a 
>dedicated sister on Prodigy who must have been born to type -
>here is  .... THE MEMBERSHIP LIST.
>
><BEGIN REPOST>
>
>PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service         11/01/92        11:08 PM

Uh-oh...

>(note 1) The Trialteral Commission (as of April 6, 1992).   
>
>* = Executive Committee.                                    
>Akio Morita, Chairman                                       

I just loved him in Happy Days.

ObUL: You can tell TLC members by the way they cross their sevens.  
      Luckily, the Dearborn, MI, police department is doing something
      about such TLC infiltration by suspending a police officer who
      exhibited the erratic behavior of crossing his sevens.  "The way
      he was writing them was confusing for the typist," said Police
      Chief Robert Deziel.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:07:37 GMT

In article <rKB=qf-@engin.umich.edu>, dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:

|> I'd suggest viewing "The Strecker Memorandum" video. In this video
|> a (white) doctor explains in scientific detail how the AIDS virus
|> is genetically engineered (ie. man-made). Among other things, it is
|> not possible for viruses to cross species, so that story about AIDS
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> originating from the African green monkey is even more impossible.
|> Even if you don't believe Dr. Strecker's conclusions, at least you'll
|> realize alternative possibilities that actually aren't far fetched 
|> when you think about it.
|> 	Darryle

Is rabies caused by a virus?  Is Lyme disease caused by a virus?  Don't
they carry out animal research on AIDS by infecting monkeys with HIV?
(I actually don't remember the answers to these questions).
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From: johnb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Brainerd)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:16:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


   OK, while you are on the subject, can I ask a few serious 
questions about ATM's.  (Have to do a report on them and then
write code for a simulation for my C class)

    1.  The ATM credits your account immediately when you 
        withdrawl, how long does it take for the money to
        become available for you to withdrawl it?

    2.  Is there a maximum amount that you can withdrawl?
        Is there a maximum total amount that you can withdrawl
        over a given time peroid? (1 day, 1 week etc. ??)
   
    THANK YOU for you time.   I hope this doesn't offend too many people
asking serios stuff in this group.  

      Mail responses to: johnb@sage.cc.purdue.edu