HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: esp51@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: School is Back in Session ( Was Re: Rewriting History
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.180050.12564@news.iastate.edu> z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>esp51@cas.org (Granola-munching Bunny Hugger) writes:

That's quite an assumption there Dan.  Bunny Hugger?  When I was a
kid, I shot more quail and rabbits with my 12 guage pump Mosberg that
you've had hot meals.

>your idea of beauty is shared only by
>bovines, rabbits, and the occassional prarie dog.  Get this: Kansas
>is, for the most part, *BORING*.  Hell, even Iowa has more scenery,
>not all of which consists of corn or soybeans either.  We have hills,
>trees, roadkill, and even several rivers.
>
Yeah, I guess thats true.  I grew up there, so my opinion of the Flint
Hills isn't exactly objective.  Iowa no doubt is the true garden spot.

>       Shooting those liberals isn't quite as challenging
>as going after a pheasant or deer, but I'm sure the ranchers would
>find you a suitable target should you start murdering cows.  Oh, did
>you know cattle rustling is still a hanging offense in much of the
>Midwest?  I suppose shooting the herd carries a similar penalty.
>
I think you've read too many Louis L'Amour novels Dan.

>       I, for one, like to know the venison I ate for lunch was
>once a living, breathing animal with all sorts of sentience and
>full of enjoyment for life.  That the .50 gave it a sucking
>chest wound, massive internal hemorrhage, and turned much of its
>aterial matter into a fine red mist that slowly drifted against
>the backdrop of a clear blue sky just makes it more tasty.

You ought to move here to Columbus.  At a local park within the city
limits, the deer population has gotten out of hand.  So they have
erected shooting platforms with search lights for nighttime deer
shooting.  All the shooters are Park Rangers, but mabey they'd
make an exception.  I personally think it's a waste of gunpowder.
To hell with deer, they ought to be shooting cows and other stupid
worthless beasts, like conservative Republicans.

Scott Park

My opinions and spelling errors are mine and have nothing to
do with the company that feeds my family.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Cardboard, cardboard, everywhere!
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 15:02:07 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

csuley@cs.cornell.edu (Christopher Suley) writes: 
| 
| Between practically every pair of pages there was a ridiculous stiff
| cardboard advertising insert, or an inane "Subscribe now and we'll
| elect you president" subscription renewal card.  I like to lay my
| magazines down flat and read them, but the pages would always flip
| back over because the stiff cardboard won't lay flat!  So, I spent
| about 10 minutes gutting the magazine of all the stupid cardboard,
| just so I could read it in peace.  Of course, I tossed all of the
| cardboard inserts in the trash, unread.

Gawd! I *hate* those little inserts.  The first thing I do when I receive
*any* magazine is to go through it an rip them out.

Peeve: They put the "subscribe now" cards in the magazines that I receive
in the mail, and thus am already subscribed to.  If they can produce 
different versions of some magazines for different areas of the country,
then they can damn sure produce them without the little cards for those
of us who already subscribe.

Peeve: The little cards *must* work, or they wouldn't keep using them.
Some people, somewhere, actually pull the things out and send them in.

Peeve: Games Magazine began putting their contests and puzzles on some
of the little cards, just so people would be more tempted to go through
them and actually *read* them.  I quit participating in the contests.

| What I would like is for the publishers to allow me to choose a
| "no cardboard" subscription.  That'll never happen, though.

The folks at "Games" got a bagful of letters when they started using the
little cards, and the editors replied with "Tough, they stay".

+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dave Cochran, Data General Corporation, RTP, NC   |
|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dr. Pavlov's distinguished career came to an      |
|abrupt end one day when the doorbell rang and the |
|dog ate the Avon lady.                            |
+--------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: minch@lotka.stanford.edu (Eric Minch)
Subject: Preserve our cultural heritage!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.090256.8256@cs.umb.edu> mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu  
(Cheesy Vitriol) writes:
> Peeve#6:  Ten pounds of fresh tomatoes, molded to death.  What a  
waste...

In article <ld0pu1INNflo@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>  
geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
> About a third of the way through the beer, I got a mouth-
> full of dead spider.  I spit the mouthfull of beer clear across the  
patio.
> What a waste! 

In article <1992Oct3.193637.19797@dg-rtp.dg.com>  
cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
> Peeve: Janis is dead.  So is Jimi.  What a waste.

Encouraging to see everyone so concerned about conservation.

Peeve: Getting the feeling some meme is making the rounds without  
touching down in my neighborhood. Maybe I should get a teevee.
--
 
Eric Minch             Any resemblance to the opinions of persons
Epistemic Artisan      or organizations other than myself--living,
Stanford Genetics      dead, or imaginary--is purely fortuitous.
Xref: sparky alt.peeves:15098 alt.tasteless:10824
From: v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.tasteless
Subject: Re: Woe is Me
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <zaqz70f@rpi.edu>, schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz) writes...
>In article <Bv5L8o.1v5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE) writes:
>>
>>	Or, as a friend of mine used to say to me after a heavy night of 
>>drinking, "How about a nice, greasy pork sandwich, with some mayonnaise that is
>>just starting to turn yellow and hard around the edges?" 
>>
>...."served in a dirty ashtray."  -_Wierd Science_
	
	Is this really from a movie? And I thought my friend was pretty 
creative. Now I feel stupid. (Comments on the previous statement => /dev/null) 
	
	;-)
> 
>E.S.

Obtasteless: guy I was with last Monday night threw up chicken wings after 
consuming LARGE quantities of alcohol. Threw them up whole. One chunk came out
his nose. Swear to god. Threw up all over his hands, then wiped them off with a
snotrag, which he then proceeded to blow his nose into. Ech.

						-Jeff

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
[  Jeff Wilson, Academic Operator, State University of New York at Buffalo    ]
[  Dept. of Medical Technology      |   <*I am Operator, hear me roar.*>      ]
[  V222P9NS@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU    | If SUNY Buffalo had wanted my opinions, ]
[  WILSON@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU          | they would have beaten them out of me.  ]
[  ACSOJJW@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU     | Drop, and beat your face, Private.      ]
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Pained Whale?
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:30:41 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <Bvp0KE.JKM@dcs.ed.ac.uk> Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Monsieur Not Al, Cordon Bleu Masterchef) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.005208.22550@CS.ORST.EDU> tim@physics.orst.edu writes:
>>
>> The group has been somewhat boring lately anyway, someone should post
>> some recipes that actually work.  
>
>Cheese On Toast
>---------------


Pizza
-----


Come home.
Look in cupboard and fridge.
Pick up phone
Dial number
"I'd like a large, pepperoni, anchovies, mushrooms delivered to..."
Wait 20 minutes.
Pay nice kid some money.
Open beer.
Eat.


!Peeve: Pizza Delivery.

ER
--

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I just couldn't take the green brain carpet, so I had to kill it."
					-R. Hep
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Anti-gun brain dead bimbos
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: McOlsen's Lutefisk Burgers -- one served.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:42:45 GMT

 chrisw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Wiles) writes:

>	Everyone is an expert on stuff they know ABSOLUTLEY
>nothing about!

	Like what causes homelessness, for example.

>	Get a life or a real cause like helping the homeless.

	I tried.  I saw this homeless guy with a sign that said,
"Will work for food."  I made him an offer that was far beyond his
meager expectations: he can live in my house, and eat my food, and
all he has to do is the dishes, laundry, minor home repair, cooking,
cleaning, and wake me up at 7:00am proper with a cup of hot coffee
and a plate of eggs and sausage in hand.  Hell, I even told him I'd
let him drive the car to get groceries and run errands for me.

	He didn't go for it.

--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Rewriting History
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:05:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep24.085705.7038@iscsvax.uni.edu>, hosch2263@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>         Know what bugs me?  These &**(& who think they can rewrite history to
> make it less offensive.  Before the Native Americans got hold of some political
> power, Columbus was a hero.  

What I can't understand is why anyone *cares* about Columbus anymore. The man
was a Johonny Come Lately. After all, the Vikings beat him here by, what,
about 700 years!

Later...
Mike
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Commercials-on-the-brain
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:16:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: plop plop fizz fizz

In article <1992Oct5.184101.10951@access.usask.ca> nesdoly@dvinci.USask.Ca (Mark Nesdoly) writes:
>esp51@cas.org () writes:
>
>
>>During a previous discussion of shooting small furry
>>woodland creatures with high powered rifles, I was wondering:
>>what actually happens to a rabbit if shot with a 30.06 say from
>>within 50 yards?  Is the Wabbit Waporized?  Also: what about larger
>>animals- say a cow or deer?  What would be the affect of a
>>head shot from 25 yards with a hollow point from a 30.06?  Also
>>again: is there a rifle with a higher velocity (not bullet mass)
>>than a 30.06?
>
>>Scott
>
>Personally, I've shot a rabbit with my .270 while deer hunting.  The rabbit
>was about 10 feet away, and the only thing I could recognize was its hind 
>legs.  I was using 150 grain winchester silvertips.  
>
>My brother owns a 30.06, and he said that the smallest thing he ever shot was
>a magpie.  It was about 5 a.m. in the middle of the summer (so the sun was  
>already up), when he awoke to the shrill cries of a flock of magpies in the
>yard.  Feeling somewhat pissed off, he got out of bed, and loaded his 
>rifle.  He stuck it out the front door, pointed it at a magpie seated on 
>a fencepost, and, seeing nothing but feathers in the scope, pulled the trigger.
>He said the only thing to come down was feathers.

My father owns a rifle chambered in .22-250 cal. I do not know
all the AmmoNerdy specs of what I was sending down the barrel,
but I will comment that 250 grains of powder sends a .22 cal
bullet downrange fast enough that it will sometimes melt in
midair. I went duck hunting with this rifle. I was under 16,
so don't bother flaming me for it. It was so preposterously
accurate that You just headshot them, and wathched their
green faces *vanish*. Then when I had the needed pair,
I retrieved them.

There was no sign that they had ever had heads. I couldn't
even find the *beaks*. Just the little corpses lying in the
grass, with cone shaped sprays of blood where they had been
standing.

Of course daddy walloped me good when he saw the decapitated
duckies, he knew full well that I hadn't done that with the
twelve ga.

Regards, Charles
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: clc@festival.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Testing new newsserver (was: Testing new newsreader, was: (Re: Mea Culpa))
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:31:11 GMT
Reply-To: clc@festival.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)


Yesterday at 17:09:05 I wrote (re: the new newsserver):

> Extensive experimentation, and
> reading of all the news which have came in during the day, seem to
> show that it is a) faster, b) less peevish. Worried to deprive this
> part of Peevetown of such a good source of peeves, we can only hope
> that the reliability of the new machine (now known to the world as
> just dcs.ed.ac.uk) is even less than the old one. Which is a bit hard
> to achieve, and, I suspect, not possible.

It's OK, we are safe.

The article has JUST arrived here, that is about 17 hours after I posted
it. And this is just the first step towards being sent out in the world...

ObPeeve. The Principle of Invariance of Peevishness. In the current
example, the peevishness of a departmental newsserver is invariant
and independent on the actual machine and software used.

--
Claudio the ObTerrorist
From: dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (I would like to return this TOBACCONIST; it is scratched)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Arana (Was: Vacation Peeve 2 - The rental car (Re: Mea Culpa)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:28:00 GMT
Organization: The San Jose Home for Perverted Hackers

baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:

>!Peeve: The Keplings(TM). Every time I have been to Russ' place they 
>are there and one of them is trying to burn something down or blow 
>something up or is using the little laser pointer to harass the dog.  

Oh, does their doggie chase the bright red spot like Sarah the Border Collie?
-- 
"If I had killed her when I had first thought about getting divorced,
 I would have been out of jail by now."
	-- A newly-divorced guy I met at a block party
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Talk During Movies
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:08:14 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <1992Sep25.163555.21733@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>In article <17652@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>>!Peeve: The VCR. I got to watch "Fried Green Tomatoes" in a place
>>that does not have gum on the floor, chatty audience members or
>>smelly popcorn machines.
>
>I hope you didn't have barbecues ribs for dinner, that night...


I think I may have mentioned that I had a strong urge for BBQ ribs right
after that. 

Very strange.

ER
--

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I just couldn't take the green brain carpet, so I had to kill it."
					-R. Hep
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU (Ferdinand Q. Peasnarp, Esq.)
Subject: Testing new newsreader, was: (Re: Mea Culpa)
Summary: None of your damn business
Keywords: Chew harder
Reply-To: allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU
Organization: Dept. of Kangaroo Burgers and Emu Weiners
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:14:56 GMT

WARNING! ---- Sort of CompuNerdy stuff... sort of AntiPeevey... 


If anyone recalls, over the last year I have been griping, complaining,
(but not whining) about the fact that my newsreader insisted on setting
my return address to

allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU.gas.unsw.OZ.AU

This pissed me off. And what was the root of the problem? No one knows, but
*I* think that someone fucked up when they compiled the goddamn thing.

Solution? Get my OWN newsreader from the Net and compile it myself. Well,
here it is... complete with automatically added inane sig. You think that's
nothing eh? Well, the last newsreader wasn't quite up to such difficult
tasks as killfiles and such, or even SIGNATURES. Anyway, that is all past
but now I have a new problem: 80+ line posts. This newsreader automatically
wraps lines that are greater than 80 characters... watch the flames flare.

Does anyone REALLY give a shit? No probably not. 

Al
still in Oz
---
_______________________________________________________________________________
| You too can fly like a baboon.                                              |
| Allan H. Evans * School of Geography * UNSW * PO Box 1 Kensington 2033 Aust.|
| allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU  Remote Sensing and Spatial Information Systems |
From: Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (ObTerrorist)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Question about chutney
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:42:44 GMT
Reply-To: Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (ObTerrorist)
Organization: The Exploding Hot Drink

In article <1992Sep30.181054.28625@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:

> In article <80481@ut-emx.uucp> logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:
> |> Just what exactly *is* chutney?

> In article <1y!pjf=@lynx.unm.edu>, baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:
> |>	What is 'chutney'? I'm pretty sure that in the Disney version of

> Sheesh! Go to an Indian restaurant and try some, f'ghahdsake! It makes nice
> with lots of dishes.

This newsgroup is not here to give Useful Information (tm). It is here to
blame the rest of the world of whatever we are currently peeved at (*), and,
occasionally, flame somebody 'till they wish they don't exist. Discussion
about food recipes is best left to eduni.vicars.tea-party, which has
indeed had a competition a few months ago to decide whose grandmoter has
the best recipe for chutney.

(*) ObPrepositionAtTheEndOfASentence

ObPeeve. I need a holiday. I need a holiday. I need a holiday.

Right. I've been back in Peevetown for about two weeks after having been away
for one month. Away again until I get tired of my holiday. See you then.

--
The ObT
"The best minute of the day is the minute I start working
 -- because it is also the last minute of my working day"
From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Magazines and subscriptions
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:47:51 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes: 
| 
| If you choose not to renew, of course, they pester you endlessly with
| repeated mailings.  Sort of like a postal version of a KQED pledge drive.

I got very amused several years ago when I first decided to let my 
subscription to National Geographic lapse (at the time, they had refused
to raise their rates, so their articles degraded from the exotic places
they used to visit.  I got tired of reading about the wheat fields of
Kansas), they sent me a blistering letter: "We haven't received your 
renewal and we're gonna stop sending you magazines!"  I tossed it. A few
weeks later, I got a letter that said "Um, you *are* going to renew, aren't
you?"  I tossed it.  By the time it was over a few months later, they were
sending me letters that said "*Please*, puh-lee-hee-hee-heeze renew 
*sniff*."

Of course, I continued to get the magazine the whole time this was going
on.

+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dave Cochran, Data General Corporation, RTP, NC   |
|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dr. Pavlov's distinguished career came to an      |
|abrupt end one day when the doorbell rang and the |
|dog ate the Avon lady.                            |
+--------------------------------------------------+
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Story: choose the proper weapon for the job
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:47:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <nsfpxfm@lynx.unm.edu> hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.162741.24335@cas.org> esp51@cas.org () writes:
>>
>>[...]
>>   With all the Testosterone crazed major lunatics departed, the bunny
>>hugging, granola munchers seize control of Peevetown, immediately declaring
>>a holiday in honor of Ralf Nader, and commence a tofu lubricated drug and
>>sex orgy punctuated with M.L.King's speech screaching over loud speakers.
>
>O gawd, I'm clooooooooooose!
Shaddup and suck...

You forgot the psychotic guy with the 12" Henckell chefs knife.
I'll keep things under control whilst yer away boys...Have fun!

Regards, Charles.

-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (ObTerrorist)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Testing new newsserver (was: Testing new newsreader, was: (Re: Mea Culpa))
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:09:05 GMT
Reply-To: Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (ObTerrorist)
Organization: The Exploding Hot Drink

In article <1992Sep29.011456.3889@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU writes:
> 
> WARNING! ---- Sort of CompuNerdy stuff... sort of AntiPeevey... 

Well, since we are in CompuNerdy Territory, the Computer Science
section of the Edinburgh.Net.Cabal has lost today one of its main
source of peeves.

Some of you may remember that our newsserver, and main multiuser
machine (skye), was really a toaster which acted as a machine between
one slice and another. And it wasn't a good toaster either, since
the possible result of the "bread interface" was either a piece of
charcoal or a completely un-browned slice (you can go for the language
flames for this----------^^^^^^^^^^, I can't Caire less)

It is with great sadness and a sense of profound joy that we have lost
that newsreader, and gained a new one. Extensive experimentation, and
reading of all the news which have came in during the day, seem to
show that it is a) faster, b) less peevish. Worried to deprive this
part of Peevetown of such a good source of peeves, we can only hope
that the reliability of the new machine (now known to the world as
just dcs.ed.ac.uk) is even less than the old one. Which is a bit hard
to achieve, and, I suspect, not possible.

If this article does not reach your site please send mail to me.

--
The ObT
"The best minute of the day is the minute I start working
 -- because it is also the last minute of my working day"
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Possible Conspiracy Uncovered
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:10:15 GMT
Reply-To: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Distribution: alt
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



After a lunchtime conversation with JZ yesterday in which we discussed 
the whereabouts of a certain powder blue Sprite race car, it dawned on
me that I've never seen any blue powder.  

How do expressions like this get started, figures of speech that have no
basis in reality?  Who comes up with them, and why?  Is it a conspiracy
to drive the human race slowly nuts?  Are the Reptoids involved?

Okay, who has the blue powder?  I bet the Air Force has some, locked in
a tightly-guarded hangar somewhere along with those frozen alien bodies.


Geoff


-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
 "I wanted to fuck Holden Caulfield's brains out." -- St Theresa of the Net
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-