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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:13:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.165714.23880@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>In article <Bsuu9G.I89@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>>In article <3484@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>>>  The prison system doesn't reform criminals, parole doesn't work either.  All
>>>it does is prevent overcrowding.
>>Doesn't even do that.  We need more jails.  We need a judicial system
>>that cares more about you and me than the bastards that commit crimes.
>
>Sounds nice doesn't it?  Feel good doesn't it?  Too bad it works worse
>than our present system.

What would you propose then?

And it is incredible that you you are so certain it would fail when
the level of prosecution Mike Haas speaks of isn't implemented.  Good grief,
we aren't supposed to be NICE to criminals!  Fear of the consequences can
be an excellent deterrent, providing that the 'consequeces' are right.

>>All we really need for a jail is a barbed wire fence and armed guards at the
>>corners.  Anything else is too good for the scum.
>
>I could give numerous examples of people who fit in a grey area that you
>apparently dont beleive exists.  Another feel good solution?

You cannot be a fence-sitter.  You have to make a choice.

>Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
>eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.


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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released!  No more rumor...
Date: 11 Aug 92 17:23:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug8.130349.21786@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>
>Microsoft is big but many people on planet do not like
>their software becuase it is BIG WASTER of computer power.

And just how does MS software waste power? Slaping a robust
GUI on top of DOS and maintaining compatibility is not easy.
I will be very suprised if MultiTOS has anywhere near the
functionality of Windows or NT. You simply have no idea of what either
of these environments are capable of.

>You like insults because you brain can not debate good?!  You
>do not need 32 bit chip set, you need 32 pin diaper!!

Jeff, I would love to debate you. But you come across as a frothing
screaming zealot. Reading you posts is like reading scripture from
Atari Prophet Yoda.
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From: william@terapin.com (William Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Broken A2000 Power Supply..NEED HELP!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:16:41 PST
Organization: BBS

                    A2000 POWER SUPPLY DONT WORK
 
 
    When I turn on system, sometimes the screen either is totally black
or keeps blinding in GRAY color.  The fan works fine.  I only had this
system for less than a year.  I bought this system used.  Since I have
2 A2000, I decided to test what cause the problem.  After a couple of hours
diagnosing, I figure out it was the power supply.  When I switch my other
system's (the working system) power supply to the non-working A2000, it
work.
 
    So I told the person who sold me system, he said,"the system is out
of warranty already.  Therefore, I wanted to fix it if possible.  I do
know about electronic stuff.
 
Description of the Power Supply:
 
-Made by TAIWAN LITON ELECTRONIC CO., LTD
-Input   120V, 4A 60Hz
-Output  5V/20.75A, 12V/8A
         -5V/0.3A, 12V/0.3A
-DC Output 200W
 
 
     If you have any suggestions or ideas on how to repair the
     power supply, or know where can I get one for a good price,
     or might know someone who wants sell his/her power supply,
     PLEASE LEAVE ME MAIL HERE.
From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:45:37 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Thaanum) writes:
> <assorted semi-official sounding claims about the Falcon deleted, as
>  well as a few counter-points (flames) from an Amiga fan>

Hmmm... what is a Amiga fan... I`am a fan from good computers... & NO... there
was no flames... that is the reallity... & the text is NOT a "semi-official"
text... this is a official text from ATARI! 

> But why, oh why, cross-post to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy?  Let's start a
> pool.  My bet is that the resultant flame war from this article will
> persist well into September.  I'll put $1 on Sept. 5 as the first day
> free of Falcon/Amiga arguements from the post.  Any other takers?

:-)

> Kidding, of course, about the gambling.  But this has the makings of
> another  shitty flame war.  And college is starting back up for people
> now.  Lots of drooling freshman who just figured out 'rn' and will want 
> to fuel the flames.  Great.  I can hardly wait...

Again... there was not flames... this is reallity!!!

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:03:19 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Aug17.143007.14463@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>
>>[OS/2's support of DOS applications is an advantage over AmigaOS]

No, you had drawn some comparison to the negative side of AmigaOS that it
can't run DOS and Windows apps, and to this I replied:

>>So I feel free to imitate your attitude and state that it's a great
>>failure and missing feature of OS/2 that it cannot run AmigaOS applications.
>
>Why, did I state that it's a great failure and missing feature of AmigaOS that
>it cannot run OS/2 applications?  

Yes, pardon that I don't have the citing at hand, but this was what needed
a reply in the same silly attitude. Yes, it was silly, but only as a mirror
of your silly arguing here for months and months.

>You know damn well what the point is, Peter.

Of course!

>OS/2 supports binaries created for two *other* OS's, and AmigaOS doesn't.  I'm
>not saying it's a tremendous advantage, it's just one reason why OS/2 is bigger
>that AmigaOS.  This support, by the way, doesn't have to be installed.

Snicker. Because there is such a schisma in the PC world and such a load
with some *ancient* OS that current OS'es still have to support, you will
tell *me* as a *feature* or *advantage*??? Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

>>This is ridiculous, isn't it?

You now see why?

>Now that you mention it, comparing DOS+Windows software availability with
>that of AmigaOS *is* ridiculous.

Yes: Is there a SCALA for PCs??? Will you seriously state that there are
*no* areas, where exist superior Amiga apps not (yet?) found on PCs?
If you really have this attitude, and I fear you have, then: poor soul,
you know nothing of the Real World. What was that with the other planet?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:14:03 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
:    It is not a matter of preannouncing anything.  It is simply a matter of
:showing that a company has long-term plans for a product, and what those plans
: are.  For all I know, Commodore has already decided to kill AmigaVision, and
: has been attempting to do so as quietly as possible, so that nobody catches
: on to what they are doing.  If Commodore were to say "Yes, AmigaVision is sti

What the hell makes you say that?  The fact that there hasn't been an
update in a while?  That's the point:  You pull things out of thin air.

: very much alive, and were are in the middle of a rewrite.  Here are some
: features we will try to put in:  ...", then this would show me that I am not
:correct in my assumption that AmigaVision is already dead.  This is the policy

What made you "assume" that?  C= has shown they're concentrating on
multimedia.  I doubt they'd kill a program which gives them major inroads.

:that Commodore had toward AmigaOS 2.0, way back when it was still being called
: 1.4, and it did not violate Commodore's no-preannouncing policies in any way.
:Indeed, I think Commodore has not been showing any of their long-term plans fo
: many of their product because they do not have any long-term plans for the
: products.

You're probably wrong.  They didn't "pre-announce" the 3000 they way
you speak of.  When it was near ready, they showed the public.  But
preannouncing a "4000" after the 3000's introduction would have been a
mistake, would it not?

Greg

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:14:00 GMT
  <1992Aug16.041634.19769@uwm.edu> <1992Aug16.072028.10419@utstat.uucp>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

You've got to admit, if Atari pulls it off, it'll be fun.

I mean, people get excited of the latest 486 box nowadays, and people
postively froth over a powerbook.

Now these may be terrific, but they're variations of the same 
computer we've seen for years. 

If Atari has a nice little machine for $700, then more power to them.

If its as good as they say, and the machine absolutely flops, then
I'll know the days of real hackers are gone forever. Think about it.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:43:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>
>>Why, did I state that it's a great failure and missing feature of AmigaOS that
>>it cannot run OS/2 applications?  
>
>Yes, pardon that I don't have the citing at hand, but this was what needed
>a reply in the same silly attitude. Yes, it was silly, but only as a mirror
>of your silly arguing here for months and months.
>

Absolutely untrue.  I never said that the inability to run OS/2 programs
is a failure of AmigaDOS.  Here's the whole discussion, in a nutshell:

	Someone: Why does OS/2 consume so much more RAM/disk than AmigaDOS?
	     Me: Because it has many features that AmigaDOS lacks.
	Someone: Like what?
	     Me: Among other things, support for DOS and Windows binaries.

Perfectly calm and rational so far.  Nowhere did I say anything about
DOS/Windows support being a clear advantage; I just said that it's a feature
that AmigaDOS lacks -- a feature which adds to OS/2's disk and memory
requirements, which were the subject of the discussion.  Then, out of nowhere,
came this:

     Dr. Kittel: That's supposed to be an advantage?  Hahahahaha!

Right there.  With that comment, the discussion turned into a sarcasm
war.

You should learn the difference between "feature" and "advantage", and stop
accusing me of being negative towards AmigaDOS.  I wasn't being negative;
it was just you being paranoid and twisting my words around.

>>
>>[OS/2's DOS and Windows support]
>>This support, by the way, doesn't have to be installed.
>
>Snicker. Because there is such a schisma in the PC world and such a load
>with some *ancient* OS that current OS'es still have to support, you will
>tell *me* as a *feature* or *advantage*??? Hahahahahahahahaha!!!
>

Now tell me who's being annoying and negative.

>
>>Now that you mention it, comparing DOS+Windows software availability with
>>that of AmigaOS *is* ridiculous.
>
>Yes: Is there a SCALA for PCs??? Will you seriously state that there are
>*no* areas, where exist superior Amiga apps not (yet?) found on PCs?
>If you really have this attitude, and I fear you have, then: poor soul,
>you know nothing of the Real World. What was that with the other planet?
>

Thanks for the flame, *Doctor*.

>
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Cheer Up
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:59:05 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug12.201941.848@news.iastate.edu> by barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett):

>    Are you surprised?  Amigas aren't much fun anymore.  Games and demos have
> lost their touch because of the comparitively low screen and color resolutions.

    You are lying about demos losing their touch. People who don't
    track demos may not know this, but in fact demos are getting
    better, and certainly wipe the floor with anything I've ever seen
    on a PC.

> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: 21 Rules for Apple Consumer Electronics
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:33:03 GMT

laird@think.com (Laird Popkin) writes:
> Well, C= *did* get most of the CD-I developers to port to CDTV.  

No, not even close.  There was, I believe, one company (Tiger Media?)
which ported some of their work to CDTV.   

CDTV's main source of previous CD work was from multiplatform (Mac/PC)
CD-ROM developers, who are naturally now doing CD-I ports as well.

> Once MPEG chips arrive, I think that there could be a huge market for CD's
> of movies.  [...]

Yes, could be.  Philips has demo'd this already, has invested in Blockbuster
as an outlet, and should be selling its MPEG card for <$200 by Christmas.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: dvan@crash.cts.com (David Vandeven)
Subject: RE:Yaks in Heat
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:47:02 GMT
Summary: Get a clue, tweaker.
Keywords: TOMK,Misinformation

TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) Writes: 
>IBM is glad to tell you their product development plans. Do the words Taligent 
>and Pink sound familiar?

Pink is an APPLE development OS. It has NOTHING to do with Taligent.  And, BTW,
Taligent is co-operative with Apple.

So tell me, what ARE IBM's development plans you are obviously so informed
about?

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                    *       SURREAL"  Zippy the Pinhead                    *
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From: Jean@Ringo.CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:10:44 GMT
Organization: Club Amiga Montreal

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <1992Aug8.051842.10189@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> >
> >Marc Barrett was totally out to lunch on this one. 
> >
> >No MB's message was simply nonsense. I personally will never believe anything
> >he says again. 

>Ah, finally you got it. It took a long time, didn't it?

>So please all netters that are rather new to this group: Take this as a
>hint to better judge who is right here and who is wrong, *permanently*.

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>				   or  peterk@public.sub.org

It's easy to be right with the no comment politic.

Is Gail Wellington is out now, right or wrong?
If right, is it related to CDTV fiasco sale, right or wrong?
Is the new chips specs are rigth or wrong?
Is the new AA machine will show to Pasadena, rigth or wrong? 
etc.

If you reply that, we will have substance to judge.
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From: kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:21:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Food for thought
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy


Mike,

Your beginning to sound a little like MB. I hope it isn't catching.

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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Microsoft Support 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.001612.16988@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com
(Ian Kennedy) writes:

>A while ago (greater than a year) there was a rumor in the mill
>here at MS that we had contracted out to a bunch of Euro
>developers to do Works for the Amiga. I confirmed this with
>an E-Mail to BillG. Then we heard that the deal had fallen through,
>no details. The European folks had wanted USD 200,000 for the port,
>according to the rumor mill.

<Sigh!> Like it or not, the availability of such a package would have
significantly contributed to the perceived professionalism of the
platform. Heck, $200K should be a drop in the bucket for Bill :).

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: Amiga 600 vs. Falcon 030 
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:56:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.035619.25234@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>First, before you take either the A600 or Falcon at listed price... you have
>to add the cost of a monitor and hard disk... and then look at the software
>base.  The proportionate differences drop.
>
According to the Atari Format, the main target of Falcon is A800, not
A600. So, what is A800? Will it be introduced in September?
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:21718 comp.sys.amiga.misc:12783
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 10:39:06 CDT
From: <K3039E0@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga HD drives, was Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine Re: Sy
 <1992Aug17.121502.10788@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
 <1992Aug17.163832.11129@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>
 <1992Aug17.184529.5107@news.iastate.edu>
 <1992Aug18.083907.4908@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>

Hi, Stefan|
Yes, this Chinon-drive, is the only system-friendly way to use HD-Disks
on the Amiga| Chinon is the "main-diskdrive-manufacturer" for C=.
From what i know today, there is no other drive on the market, that is able

to run with half speed, so that Paula can handle the data-transfer|
The trick is: there are twice the numbers of sectores on a Amiga-HD-disk, and
when the disk spinns with half the speed, you get the same amount of data per
second, and so you can use the old Paula| But several problems caused C= not
to support or announce the new HD-drives| Kick 2.04 has problems to notice

it when you change from a DD to a HD disk| It doesn't recognice this every
time| But there is a PD-utility called HD-Fixer, that solves this problem,
it can be found on Fish-Disk 690| Run this tool in background, and it tells
the OS every time, the disk type (DD or HD) has changed, that it has to use
the new routines for HD-drives.
I think C= will officially support and include these Chinon-drives in ALL
Amiga-modells as soon as Kick2.04 (or wathever version will come) has been
corrected (maybe a new SetPatch??? Who knows?) to recognice the DD-HD disk
change|

rk :)
rk@gup.uni-linz.ac.at
P.S.: To Stefan: Ich hab Dir das alles doch schon mal erzaehlt, oder?
Oder wolltest Du einfach auch die Meinung anderer Leute zu dem Thema wissen,
oder vertraust Du mir einfach nicht? ;-)