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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Ed Kuepper (was Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:37:19 GMT

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:


>Poor old Ed Kuepper managed to chart (top 30) with his single 
>"Everything I've got belongs to you" but did not receive commercial
>radio airplay.
>There's more to playlists than chart figures.  (this has been discussed
>before) His record co is Shock - an 'indie'.  Maybe that's one 'problem'

A guy I knew who ran an indie record company told me that the majors
exert powerful influence over the radio playlists. I can believe it
easily. I wonder how many top 40 hits which aren't major-released
get no airplay?

However, even if radio playlists don't take the song, it will get onto
a few request shows and chart shows.

Paul

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From: carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Carl Brewer)
Subject: Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:53:47 GMT

Hmmm,   all this business of chart rigging raises the question :

WHO CARES ????

You listen to what you like, maybe even buy it ..   does it *matter*
what the great unshorn sheep spend their pennieon ????

Ok, maybe if you're interested in record company profits,  but then,
just get hold of an annual report ..  much more reliable ...

good music is good music,  no matter *how* many copies get sold ...
likewise, shit music is shit music,  and it's guaranteed to sell :)

just another 2c worth ...

if I *ever* hear "achy breaky heart" I will cut my own ears off, and ram
them down the offending audio devices ic sockets ...


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From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au  (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Subject: Re: Debate Time!
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.045835.27229@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
>
> One of the problems with Phil Collins is that not only does he make horrible
> albums of his own and with Genesis, but he goes and makes a mess of other peoples
> albums too.

This may be true in some cases, but an exception is Collins' production
of John Martyn's "Glorious Fool".

					Greg	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: s1170796@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (DANGERMAN (P. Grant))
Subject: CD PRICES
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:16:19 GMT


If the prices of CD's are getting you down, just do what I do.  Wait a few
years when the CD will go down into a $15 or $20 box in your local record
store and buy the sucker then.  I did that today picking up John Cougar
Mellencamp's  LONSOME JUBELEE for $15 and Thin Lizzy's  LIVE & DANGEROUS
for  $15 which is a bonus cos it runs for 76 minutes, thats about 20 cents per
minute.

WARNING - If you are going to fork out full price for a CD, hunt around.
Record stores are likely to be different in prices with some ordering a lot in
and selling them as album of the week (as Hunters & Collectors new one will be
in a week or so).  So only pay full price if its something you really, really
want like  EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!! due out this week.   AT BLOODY LAST.


Phil Grant
s1170796@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au

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From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: CHART: Top 10 singles -> The U.K.
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: General Access UNIX group, Monash Uni, Clayton, Vic.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:30:18 GMT


            /=============================================\
           || The TOP 10 SINGLES in the U.K.              ||
           || For the week ending: Friday 9th OCTOBER '92 ||
 __________|/=============================================\|__________
/                                                                     \
1. ( 1) EBENEEZER GOODE - The Shamen [4 weeks at #1]
2. (NEW) SLEEPING SATELLITE - Tasmin Archer
3. ( 2) IT'S MY LIFE - Dr. Alben
4. (NEW) END OF THE ROAD - Boyz II Men
5. ( 5) IRON LION ZION - Bob Marley
6. (NEW) DRIVE - R.E.M.
7. (NEW) MY NAME IS PRINCE - Prince
8. ( 3) BAKER STREET - Undercover
9. ( 9) MY DESTINY - Lionel Ritchie
10. ( 7) THEME FROM M.A.S.H. - The Maniac Street Preachers
----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Denotes Australian/New Zealand Artist
( ) Denotes CHART POSITION last week.
NEW - Indicates single new to top 10.
Chart supplied by OUR PRICE MUSIC (U.K.)
\____________________________________________________________________/

These singles were in the top 10 TWO WEEKS AGO:

    /===============================================================\
   || 4. RHYTHM IS A DANCER - Snap                                  ||
   || 6. TOO MUCH LOVE WILL KILL YOU - Brian May                    ||
   || 8. THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE - L Vandross & J Jackson  ||
   || 10. HAVE YOU EVER NEEDED SOMEONE SO BAD - Def Leppard         ||
    \===============================================================/ 

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From: dms@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (David Mcgregor SQUIRE)
Subject: Re: well fuck you baby...
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:23:38 GMT

u9147136@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew Kenneth Wales) writes:

>gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford) writes:

>>>SO DANGEROUS - Lisa Edwards *
>>to have so much money and so little talent

>You've really hit a raw nerve now!!!! Do you know who Lisa Edwards is? No, I
>didn't think so, you arsewipe. She is one of the most naturally talented
>singers in Australia at the moment (ever listen to John Farnham....she has 
>sung backing vocals on most of his albums).

>Post your shit to aus.flame next time, Jonathan-and when you're done, climb
>back down your hole where you belong (until you have something positive to
>add!)

Yeah John! Flames are the last thing any decent person would post to aus.music, let
alone unconstructive, non-musical, negative comments.

[sarcasm off]

OBMUSIC: So who knows what Rob Clarkson is upto now that he doesn't seem to be in
Melbourne anymore? Is that previous sentence grammatical. Gee, I'd sure hate to draw
a grammar flame......

-- 
Squizz
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From: dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam)
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:05:52 GMT

davidc@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au (David Cake) writes:
>	A politics club is not a good thing to combine with a music club. The
>connection between the two may make sense to you, but not to a lot of others.
>Particularly as from your remarks against 'left-wing' clubs I assume that your
>politics are fairly right wing (I cann think of several alternative bands that
>are left wing activists, but a lot less who are right wing) but even if you 
>were left-wing it would still be a mistake. Making yourself overtly political
>will alienate a lot of potential punters. 

I couldn't find any remarks against left-wingers in the original post.
He mentioned "Labor, Liberal and Left Alliance".  But I should he should
come clean on his politics, anyway.


--
	Daniel Lam
	Melbourne, Australia

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From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:59:15 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:

>P.S: I always thought Peter Koppes was the useless one in the band...Steve's
>	bass, Marty's 12-string glissades - yes!  Peter's "rock-hero" solos - 
>	no!!  I think the Church will be better off (though I will admit
>	that "As You Will" was a good song).  Long live solo-free music!

HUH?  "useless" eh?  I won't say that I liked Peter more than Marty or Steve
(Marty and Steve are my two fave musicians), but I think Peter is a pretty
integral part of "Church" sound.  As for "rock-hero" solo's, you'd be 
surprised at how little lead guitar Peter plays now.  I mean, Marty did
the Hotel Womb solo on his 12-string, and thats not an easy thing to do.

...
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From: dsl@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (David_Sutherland LAY)
Subject: Re: INXS's single "Not Enough Time"
Organization: Dept. Of Engineering Computer Resources, Uni. Of Melbourne
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:57:51 GMT


In article <10764380.19.718514211@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY) writes:
> Does anyone know when "Not Enough Time" by INXS is going be released in
> Australia. It has recently hit the American Charts, and I'm looking forward
> to it hitting here. Also, it seems to me that the first two singles, Heaven
> Sent and Baby Don't Cry haven't been released yet in America, so can anyone
> tell me why they would do such a thing? ( If they have, that is! )
> 

I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere that INXS were planning to
release different singles in America to those released in Australia.  I think it
has something to do with America being a different market to Australia ( IMHO
there is a sizeable difference in the style/genre of much American Top 40 music
compared to local Top 40 stuff ).

I don't know if this is the real deal or not but it seems to make sense.


--------------
Dave.
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: CHART: Top 10 singles -> Australia. GNR?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:59:29 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:

>8. ( 7) NOVEMBER RAIN - Guns 'N' Roses
What's this? Is this SYNTH I hear on this track?

>10. (12) DO FOR YOU - Euphoria *
I cannot express how completely awful this song is.

SNap and BB are pretty good though...
>from Canada, Wendy came to Australia to pursue a musical career a few
>years ago.  Her first release from her current top ten album, LILY, is 
>called THE DAY YOU WENT AWAY, and it bullets up seven places, from number 11 
>to number 4 this week.  This is the first time Wendy has made the top 10 on
>her own in Australia.  She did make it to number 4 two years ago as
>a member of the Aussie group Absent Friends, with the single I DON'T
>WANT TO BE WITH NOBODY BUT YOU.

I thought some of the emigre singles would have made it?

Paul

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From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:38:00 GMT

pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>Just a couple of odd things I've noticed and want to verify.

>1) RHCP Breaking the Girl. Rather weird rhythm. It seems to be 3/4
>at first, and then changes to 6/8 at the first chorus and stays there
>even when the verse comes back. The 3/4 bar is the same length as the
>6/8 bar, i.e. not values remain the same, but the accents change.

Dunno.  I'll listen to it again tonight.

>2) Kate Ceberano singing that Superstar song. Is this in 5/4 as I
>seem to count it?

Everything's Alright is in 5/4.

Couple of others:  "Straight to my Heart" by Sting, off "Nothing Like the
Sun" is in 7/4.  "Money" by Pink Floyd is in 5/4.

matt

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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Weird rhythms in pop music
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:56:08 GMT

Just a couple of odd things I've noticed and want to verify.

1) RHCP Breaking the Girl. Rather weird rhythm. It seems to be 3/4
at first, and then changes to 6/8 at the first chorus and stays there
even when the verse comes back. The 3/4 bar is the same length as the
6/8 bar, i.e. not values remain the same, but the accents change.

2) Kate Ceberano singing that Superstar song. Is this in 5/4 as I
seem to count it?

Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: markw@cltr.uq.oz.au (Mark White)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:01:52 GMT

mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) writes:

>cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

>>mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) writes:
>>: 
>>: Um..  sorry dude.. but Steve WAS playing bass.. just a six string one..
>>: he often plays six string bass..  I must admit, I wondered what he was doing
>>: when I saw the 6 stringed instrument in his hands, but I quickly worked
>>: it out..

>>	Rather strange since normally six string bass's have
>>at least one string below the normal E.  Hence a very bassy bass.
>>His "bass" was not very bassy.
>>	Maybe he just didn't play down low.
>>	I couldn't actually see what he was doing - but it sounded
>>fairly short on for bass.  
>>	Maybe it was just a weedy sound?

>I assure you it was a bass - I was about 2 metres from it.  Do you remember
>Old Flame (which was amazing btw), he was playing that up pretty high - I
>didn't realise it was played on a bass - but it wasn't high enough to make
>it a guitar, and the bass in Chaos was pretty bassy I think.  I don't think
>the bass was weedy either.. 

>Matt..

If you want to get technical, it looked like one of the old Fender VI's,
which is actually a 6 string bass, but set up like a guitar (only the
strings are all one octave lower).  One of the Fender experimental-ish
things from the 60's, methinks.  Last time I saw the Church Steve was
playing an old Fender Coronado bass, from a similar era.

Many modern 5 or six string basses are of course tuned below the standard
EADG tuning - a five string often has it's lowest (pitchwise) tuned to a B,
i.e. BEADG. A six string bass has a B at the other end too, although
they're not REAL popular (so I could be wrong).

Oh, back on the Fender VI - I believe that Robert Smith occasionally plays
one, maybe for one of the older songs in the Cure sets.  Anyone who saw
the Cure recently (and is somewhat fanatical about such things)?

Mark
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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Keywords: church
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  8 Oct 92 05:37:08 GMT

bsmith@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Brian Smith) writes:

>Nothing unusual yet, but hold on to yer black t-shirts, Steve announced that
>this was the LAST TIME they were playing in Melbourne.  This was greeted by a
>stunned silence as the crowd tried to figure out what this meant exactly.   It
>sounded to me like a break-up announcement.  I hope I'm wrong, but there's no
>reason why Melbourne specifically would be excluded from future tours, so it's
>looking ominous.

Peter Koppes is leaving to go solo with the Well. I haven't heard whether the 
Church will break up entirely, or keep going without Koppes.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Rumour has it Yabsley first threatened to resign if the pain didn't go away, 
then, realising he was wasting his time, ordered an ambulance.
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: u882836@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Dean Wiggins)
Subject: Re: Weird rhythms in pop music
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:48:08 GMT

>>1) RHCP Breaking the Girl. Rather weird rhythm. It seems to be 3/4 at
>>first, and then changes to 6/8 at the first chorus and stays there even
>>when the verse comes back. The 3/4 bar is the same length as the 6/8
>>bar, i.e. not values remain the same, but the accents change.

>>2) Kate Ceberano singing that Superstar song. Is this in 5/4 as I seem
>>to count it?

>||> Couple of others: "Straight to my Heart" by Sting, off "Nothing Like
>||> the Sun" is in 7/4.  "Money" by Pink Floyd is in 5/4.

Try some of Frank Zappa's material (particularly
'Jazz From Hell') - it's *full* of weird rhythms...
From: acc@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (andy chia an chang)
Newsgroups: ee.chat,aus.music,cs.general
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:32:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:

>acc@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (andy chia an chang) writes:
>>Nightclubs, bars, beaches, concerts and drinking parties will all be the main

>aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh

>>(4) If what's been said hasn't appealed to you, well then think about this.  We
>>will be having wild parties with lots of drinks, music, people of the *right*
>>type for others to socialize with.  We will also have camps, and a political

>sorry, just what is this "*right* type"?

>and do all people of this type (like yourself of course) sound like total 
>fuckwits?

>i apologize, but this really has to be the *dumbest* idea anyone has ever
>thought of since R Harris invented Fortran 77 ( joke 8^) )

Hmmmmm, didn't expect people to flame such a *simple* *innocent* post ...

As I said, the whole idea about the club is to have *fun*, and also get serious
sometimes.  I guess that's a quite simple and straight forward thing isn't it?
We're *not* out to offend anyone, but if we happened to offend some people,     well, hehehe, I apologize.

>check-ya,
>chris.


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From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: CHART: Top 10 singles -> The U.S.A.
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: General Access UNIX Group, Monash Uni, Clayton, Vic.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:30:52 GMT


            /=============================================\
           || The TOP 10 SINGLES in the U.S.              ||
           || For the week ending: Friday 9th OCYOBER '92 ||
 __________|/=============================================\|__________
/                                                                     \
1. ( 1) END OF THE ROAD - Boyz II Men [8 weeks at #1]
2. ( 2) SOMETIMES JUST AIN'T ENOUGH - Patty Smyth
3. ( 7) JUMP AROUND - House Of Pain
4. ( 4) HUMPIN' AROUND - Bobby Brown
5. ( 3) BABY-BABY-BABY - TLC
6. ( 9) SHE'S PLAYING HARD TO GET - Hi-Five
7. (10) PLEASE DON'T GO - K.W.S.
8. (NEW) PEOPLE EVERYDAY - Arrested Development
9. (NEW) WHEN I LOOK INTO YOUR EYES - Firehouse
10.(NEW) I'D DIE WITHOUT YOU - P.M. Dawn
----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Denotes Australian/New Zealand Artist
( ) Denotes chart position last week.
NEW - Indicates single new to top 10.
Chart supplied by the CASHBOX SINGLES SURVEY.
\____________________________________________________________________/

These singles were in the top 10 TWO WEEKS AGO:

   /===========================================================\
  || 5. NOVEMBER RAIN - Guns 'N' Roses                         ||
  || 6. STAY - Shakespear's Sister                             ||
  || 8. JUST ANOTHER DAY - Jon Secada                          ||
   \===========================================================/ 

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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:03:34 GMT
Followup-To: aus.music
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) writes:
: 
:	(stuff deleted) 
: 
: a strange mix, with Marty doing some guitar..  Steve doing bass as normal..
: singing as normal.. except for the norty word..  he let the crowd sing that

	on wednesday steve was playing axe.
	they had three guitars and no bass!
	admittly steve was playing bass riffs on his guitar.

	I thought it was odd - but not being a church expert I didnt
know if it was an oddity or normal for them!

: 
: 
: From what I can gather, (I didn't go Wednesday) tonight (morning) was better
: than on Wednesday...
: 
: 

	Yeah - if it had bass it probably was!

						CE