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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:01:19 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: News from Denver!

Somebody will probably post before this sees the light of day on the
net, but anyway, for those who haven't heard, Denver announced that Wade
Phillips (their Defensive co-ordinator) is the new head coach. When
asked what he said when he found out, he said: "What did I say when I
was told? WHOOOOOPPEEEE!!"

:)

--Vernon.
btw: that *wasn't* a sarcastic "whoopee"
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:39:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.124953.12308@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.171733.59371@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Fact: a truth known by actual experience or observation
>>
>>Widely accepted due to many people actually observing or experiencing this
>>truth...
>FACT: something presented as OBJECTIVELY real
>
>In other words, people observing and experiencing this truth is NOT
>objectively real.

What the hell are you saying???  That the people who believe it are not
real????   Please get off the drugs before posting..

>
>>>>so it is looking more and more like a fact :-)
>>>You know what a fact is? Meeks is a wimp, because he usually wimp out on
>>>arguments after about a month. Now that's a fact.
>>Actually, this is an opinion you have.  Not a fact.  
>
>Well, you quitted in all our flame wars, i.e. after a month of arguments,
>you gave up. Are you going to deny this?

I "quitted"???  Again, lay low on the drugs Ed, it is affecting your..
um... Speech:-)  Yes, after a month of arguments, and with the argument no
longer going anywhere, I decided that unless you had anything new to say
there was no reason to continue.  And, as you never had anything new to say,
there was no reason to continue.  I don't subscribe to your "last one left
wins all arguments" theory, and neither do most people (especially the 
seemingly thousands who you have gotten into flame wars with).  After your
comments that you are only interested in flame wars, why continue.  If the
argument had use, it is fun to humor you.  If not, why bother...

-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ALL MADDEN TEAM = NFC
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:41:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I admit that the NFC is the superior conference and John Madden's voting does
have a lot to do with who he sees each year (CBS does NFC), but why is the AFC
so poorly represented?  We are not that lame!  Or are we?

Howard

I'm a praying for an AFC victory in the Superbowl!
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hall of Fame (was Re: Famous Jerseys)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:06:57 GMT
Organization: .

(Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 20-Jan-93 Re: Famous
>Jerseys Bob Weisbeck@starfleet.n (818)
>
>>   Dan Fouts       ??
>
>
>why, #14 of course! :)
>
>Here's hoping he gets inducted this year!
>
>btw: Prashanth posted the three Chargers up for induction this year:
>Fouts, Winslow and Joyner
>
>is there a limit to the number of inductees allowed in a year or is it
>just a yes/no vote per player?
>
>--Vernon.

Five per year is the limit.

--J.J.
(still checking in to that Woodley thang)

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Cowboys, a UK perspective
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:02:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.035959.34190@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY) writes:
>FACT: The Bills beat the 49ers, the second best NFC team, therefore they are
>at the least, second.
And the Raiders beat the Bills, that made the Raiders at the least, 2nd.
And the Eagles beat the Raiders, that made the Eagles at the least, 2nd.
And the 49ers beat the Eagles, that made the 49ers at the least, 2nd.

Well, it seems like the Bills are at the most, 5th.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wannstedt to Chicago/ NYG's ??????
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:54:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.125.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.
cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>
>
>But I have to agree, it's better for Dave to NOT coach against JJ in the 
>same div.  

Again, this point is moot as Wannstedt WAS NEVER EVEN OFFERED THE DAMN JOB!
Young was probably afraid of some young turk coming in and showing him off
for what he really was... a butthead who had a great coach (Parcells) to
make the most out of his personnel decisions (Corey Miller, what a great
choice there, George).

>
>
>Quite frankly, WHO CARES!  McCasky is a jerk, thank GOD he's in Chicago.
>

It pisses me off to no small extent when an alleged cheap bastard like
McCasky puts up and brings in the most capable of doing the job and an
organization so in shambles like the Patriots can put up the big bucks to
hire a proven winner while Young and Co. continue to ream us.

>
>
>And while I am on a roll... The reason the NFC East is SO dominant is 
>because nearly all the SB winning NFC Easteams have great defense (Giants/
>Skins/Dallas)  Just shoot us all now!  Sheeeeeeeeeesh!  I am having one hell 
>of a time being optimistic about this deal.

These teams also have massive offenses (Lachey, Jacoby, Newton, Stepnowski, 
etc.) and an AFC East-type defense is going to do diddly-squat against these
brutes.

>
>When I calm down a bit, I want to talk about the G's personnel, plan B and 
>the draft... 

(1) no #1 draft pick. let's all thank George again, boys and girls.
(2) free agency... LT will go where Parcells is.  Thanks again George.
(3) At least Lamar MaGriggs, Phillipi Sparks, and Jesse Campbell (a second
    round draft choice of Buddy Ryan) looked good.

satish nair
giants




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From: stavish@purch.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Superbowl Supertrivia
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:10:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.164806.19204@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR) writes:
>Now that Superbowl matchup is decided, it's time for useless trivia.
>
>1. It is the seventh straight time that the AFC is sending a `B' team to the
>SB. (Broncos,Bengals, Bills)
>
>2. For last 10 (may be 11) years at least one starting QB in the SB has his
>name starting with J. (including Joe Theismann, Joe Montana, John Elway, Jim
>McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Jim Kelly)
>
>Now a question about batch of '83 QBs. Some commentator mentioned that the '83
>QBs are 0-7 on SBs. I know that Elway is 0-3, Jim Kelly 0-2 and Marino 0-1.
>But that makes it only 0-6. Who got the 7th loss?

Was it the Patriots QB, Ken Easley?  I know Ken O'Brien is a class of 83'er
and I thought that the Patriots had a class of 83'er also.

>
>Bye
>Kassu
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From: imes@cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: One fan's opinion on the big one
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:31:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: boa.1k3p1uINNght
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In article <1993Jan26.073927.21780@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
><44038@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>Ok.  No flames, just my counter-opinion.

Not really a flame, just my counter-counter-opinion.

>>Buffalo
>>Offense: Explosive passing game, feeds off the running game, great RB 
>>         and backup, QB will take chances.
>
>Inconsistent on all counts, either due to injuries or mental errors.

How so?  29 points vs Miami and 27(?) against Pittsburg seems to show a
consistent trend in scoring a lot of points.  Given that Kelly is prone to
error though.

>>Defense: Superstars who play a lot on emotion, physical up front, solid LBs
>>         and average secondary.
>
>Again, very suspect.  How many points did they give up to Houston?  That
>wasn't that long ago.

And how many points have the starters given up since then?  6?  Seems to me
that Dallas is going to have their hands full.  Mind you also that the Buffalo
D held Barry Foster (league leading rusher) to zero TD's, less than 100 yards
(I think) for first time in how long?  Dallas' O-line better be studying those
Pittsburg tapes carefully the next few days.

>>Dallas can't afford to fall behind by 10+ points, their offense takes
>>time to score. 
>
>Tell that to Alvin Harper - their last TD drive against SF went length 
>of the field in 39 seconds.  The difference in offenses here is that
>Dallas can use up the clock when they need to.

But on the average, the Cowboys tend to drag out an offensive drive.  The
fact that the last TD against SF took only 39 ticks was due, I believe, to the
way Dallas demoralized SF at their own home field.  With nothing left to play
for, why try and stop it?

Well, I tend to believe that this is the Bills year (as if you couldn't already
guess that...:) so I'll take Buffalo this year (and the next one, and the next
one.....)

GO BILLS!!!
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CIS Undergraduate Student	   apart by something as simple as wild dogs."
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From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Perfect Dolphins Trivia
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:53:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Who was the only other pro team to go undefeated (besides Miami)?
(The team is not recognized by the NFL for obvoius reasons)
From: tchriste@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jerseys - Dark/White? Hoiw?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:14:56 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan21.152912.28780@netcom.com> derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:

>I know in basketball and baseball - home games, they wear
>light/white jerseys and road games they wear dark jerseys.

>But in football this is not the case. I've seen Redskins always
>selexcting white jerseys and other teams dark.

>SHouldn't it be balanced? How do they choose dark/light jerseys?

Home teams get to select Jersey Color.  Most teams like there dark jerseys,
so teams like Dallas get to wear White on the Road, and select to wear 
White at Home.  

Sometimes weather plays a factor.  I remember a season or two ago that Atlanta
visited Phoenix in a 100-degree game early in the season (maybe pre-season).
Phoenix opted to wear the White uniforms and make Atlanta swelter in the
Black jerseys.

Dallas wears white just because they like it, maybe that "Good Guy" image.
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:44:23 GMT

In article <C1F2oB.LCK@polaris.utu.fi> tapyrjo@polaris.utu.fi (Tapani Yrj|l{) writes:
>sbeatty@andy.bgsu.edu (Sean G. Beatty) writes:
>
>>12:  Roger Staubach, Tery Bradshaw
>
>>33:  Tony Dorsett
>
>>99:  Mark Gastineau
>
>>34:  Walter Payton

How about Earl Campbell, Thurman Thomas, Herschel Walker...
>84: Sterling Sharpe

How about Doug Cosbie...One of the best pass recieving tight ends to ever play
the game...

How about 88 -- Lynn Swann, Drew Pearson

       or 80 -- Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Tony Hill...
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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Cowboys, a UK perspective
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:45:34 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan26.191659.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>I was asked to post this by someone unable to post....
>
>From:	IN%"lmvec@westminster.ac.uk"  "William Hargreaves" 26-JAN-1993 12:22
>To:	IN%"f67709907@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU"
>CC:	
>Subj:	no subject (file transmission)
>
>Reading some of these articles on this net from so-called American football
>experts and been amazed by the ignorance of reality.  
>
>FACT:
>----
>Cowboys vs the Niners was the real superbowl

FACT: The SuperBowl is this Sunday. That game was the NFC championship
game.

>The Superbowl is just the honeymoon for the NFC Champs

FACT: Nobody got married.

>The 3rd & 4th Best teams  were the Eagles and Saints
>5th & 6th Were Washington and Minnasota

FACT: the two best teams are Buffalo and Dallas, that is why they are in
the SB and the other teams mentioned are sitting home.

>Buffalo are 7th on a good day
>the Boyz are going to blow the bills away.
>The NFL have got to look at the way the league is structured
>(i.e. swap the 49ers with Pheonix, keep the NFC East and make the rest of the
>league go and play college football.

FACT: you are clueless. You don't understand NFL football, so don't comment
on it. Stick with soccer, or whatever sport you watch over there.

>
>
>You have to remember that teams like Washington and Dallas are going to be
>better than there record suggests because they have tougher schedules each year
>because they play NFC East Teams twice.
>
>I've noticed that people have been quiet about the BET III recently.  All you
>AFC fans had better get your posts in quick as 31/01/93 is your deadline.

What do you want everyone to do, talk about the bet on a daily basis and
nothing else? Wake up.

>
>Will 
>[End quote]
>-- 

--Jim
From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More Patriots News
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:01:06 GMT
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <CPM.93Jan26115127@clyde.clearpoint.com> cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel) writes:

   Since Parcells was announced as head coach last week they have sold almost
   3000 season tickets. On sunday the Pats ticket office was open for a half
   day and they sold 500 tickets. They could have sold more, but the phone
   lines were busy. Their are a lot of Giant Fans in NE so parcells was an
   excellent choice.

   In the Boston Sunday Globe they had a big add for the Pats w/ a big picture
   of Parcells. It listed all the Pats home games:
   Colts,Bills,Phins,Jets,KC,Houston,GB,Cincy,Seattle,Detroit.
   (I don't know which ones are preseason)

green bay and kansas city are the pre-season games.

   I also heard a rumor they want to change the Name back to the Boston 
   Patriots and possibly change the logo. Changing the name is fine w/ me
   because New England Patriots is kind of Nebulous, but I like the logo.

actually, there's been plenty of talk about how the patriots would like to
move back into boston.  of course, there's no place to play, but every once
in a while, the globe does a feature on the talk about a multi-purpose dome
for the patriots and conventions, etc.  that's probably when they'd change
their name.

   Go Pats!!

   Chris Martel			cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
   Clearpoint Research		cpm@cpoint.UUCP

-johndoe
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: comments on Niners/Boys
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:55:24 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan20.171303.2980@ne3005.reston.ingr.com> wsgentry@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry) writes:
>marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:
>
>
>>True, the penalties called on the 49ers were devastating, but they were
>>correct calls. How can you possibly fault the officials? Personally I
>>was pleased that the officials stayed out of the way for the most part.
>
>As a Cowboy fan, I've got to say this.  On the play right after the
>holding call, the niners came back with yet another long pass on the
>right side.  After reviewing the tape, I'd have to say the niner
>receiver was interfered with.  I'm sure the officials thought the
>ball was overthrown, but after watching that play over and over, I've
>got no doubt in my mind.  That, however, is the only _bad_ call I saw.
>The hold was there on the previous play, and the lineman should have
>_seen_ that Emmitt didn't have the ball on the later hold (granted,
>it was a good fake, but if I can see no ball with Emmitt, surely
>the lineman can).

Oh yeah? You ever play defensive line, dude? Imagine this: there is a 280 
pound guy in front of you trying to take your head off.. in the process of 
fighting him off you see the other team's best offensive player flash into 
view carrying his hands like he just took a handoff. Again a great fake and 
definitely the correct call but .. Fagan made absolutely the right play... 
You don't let Emmitt Smith run by you at the line of scrimmage. Period. 
Things look a lot different from the midst of all the mayhem at the line of 
scrimmage versus the view from the pressbox cameras 100 feet up. 

-- 
Ronnie
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They just laugh and double your misery!
From: v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Frank Reich
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	A lot of people feel that Reich
is a good QB which he is. He is capable of getting the job done. Does anybody 
feel that he should become a first string QB for another team. He is good.
And there are several teams who could use a good QB. The Raiders, Vikings,
Patriots come to mind.

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Of course no one asked me. I always interject my opinions on maters I have no 
concern over
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:56:16 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1993Jan25.192646.21867@asl.dl.nec.com>
doan@aslslc07.asl.dl.nec.com (Duc Doan) writes:

> Three years ago the Cowboys DID NOT HAVE PERSONNEL to do anything! But lookt
> at them now. I think it is about time the Giants stop dreaming about Parcell's
> team and start building a SUPERBOWL team. This is easier said than done but
> trading away some veteran players from the defense to get some good offense
> draft picks is the only way out for the Giants.

Nice thought...but until George Young gets his head out of his butt,
it's not likely to happen.  He totally screwed up the organization by
trying to figure out how he could once again field a Parcell's-like
team.  It appears he thought by keeping the team intact with aging
players and low draft picks (I think the Giants haven't aquired a
player through trades in two years??) and by elevating one of Bill's
assistants (Handley) that things would continue to be rosey. We've all
been hard on Handley (well, he did make a lot of bone head calls this
year;-)), but Young didn't give him anything to work with.  No wonder
Parcells hit the highway.  Sure Dallas did an incredible job of
building a team...with Young at GM, this won't happen in New York. 
Unless Reeves somehow gets more control over the team than what
Parcells had, which is unlikely, Dan will be in the same boat as
Handley.  If Dan Reeves can't manage to pull off a Parcells-like
miracle, than I hope it will be obvious to all where the problem lies. 
But after all...most of us Giants fans have known what the problem has
been all along...it really shows how great of a coach Bill Parcells was
with the Giants.  NE fans have alot to happy about!

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