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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:21:33 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:35:22 GMT, BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:
> Carolyn, what does "to come the raw prawn with s.o." mean?

What we in Scotland call 'to act the daft laddie'.  To feign ignorance
(or in our circles, newbieness).  A useful technique when committing
minor traffic infringements in foreign countries, for instance.

G
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Will the "punishment fit the crime"?
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On Fri, 18 Dec 1992, Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 wrote:

> unusual way.  He broke into a motel they were at and stabbed both repeatedly
> (but not fatally).  He then, using a pair of vice-grip pliers, removed the
> mans penis.

Yeah! Thanks, Don, I needed to start my day with a chuckle. Now what I
wanna know, is, will the punishee ever fit anything again!

-abh
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 9-yr old victorian girl's essay
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>Indeed ejaculated Bernard we have come in the nick of
>time Ethel he added.  Yes said Ethel in an excited tone.

This was the sexiest part. The thing I don't understand
though, is what Ethel saw in that beagle.

Bill
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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>One of mine will do that, only it isn't half dead yet when she tries to bring
>it in.:-)  The other one doesn't seem to care about the praise so much as
>fresh meat. [newbie mice?  well, come to think of it...mice who want to live
>indoors *have* to be newbies here - the previous tenants are by now catfood.

I've noticed that the mice our cat catches seem to be getting younger each year
I hope this year he manages to catch them before they're born. :-)

>My cats like leftovers too, but they want them before they're technically
>leftovers.  One cat would gladly "sit" in a chair at the table if we'd set
>him a place.:-)

I haven't let the cat passed the front door since it tried to trip me up in
the kitchen one evening while I was cooking tea..... could have caused me a
very nasty accident. He mainly stays out on the front verandah now, when he's
not off chasing mice or 'annoying' the dog/s.

>>I'm not completely certain but I think the nextdoor neighbour's dog.... the
>>most stupid Great Dane, I've ever seen.... ate it when he came over on his
>>nightly forage for food.
>>
>It wouldn't surprise me.  Stray cats will chomp fresh kills if they're hungry;
>it's none too surprising that a dog would do the same.[especially a dumb dog]
>
>--
>                ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

Said 'dumb dog' chomped both my cats when they were smaller..... killed the
prettiest one, but somehow Socrates survived and very soon managed to get his
own back...... ripped Cheetah's (or is that Cheater's) face open the next time
he tried it and now he runs away every time the cat comes near him.:-)

Carolyn
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Subject:      Re: value of a BWP

>>I weep unabashedly. Alas, I cannot write poems at the drop of a hat, but
>>if I were able to, take it as official that I would have written three.
>>Will you ever forgive me, Carolyn?
>>
>>tushar
>
>Oh, fickleness, thy name is tushar! O perfidy! Ingratitude! I weep, I faint,
>I gnash my teeth!  What more must I do?
>
>--bayla

Say please?

-K

-Mka
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Subject:      Re: Fischer indicted!

>So, who finally won the contest?
>
>//anne//

It's not over yet, but the U.S. Attorney is the odds-on favorite.

-K

-Mka
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In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>:the device's state in words, not indicator lights, and with Mac software
>:included for faxing, for when I finally break down and buy my Mac, which I
>:am softening myself up for by getting this smaller device first. And a Mac
>
>Take note people.  This is the price you pay for getting tied into Macintosh.
>
At least all she's lost so far is money.:-)  I was forced to use a Mac
for a while...<shudders>  never again, if I can help it.  At least my soul
was safe - it was bought and paid for by a much more powerful entity many
years ago.  Other body parts were in jeopardy, though; they almost had to
amputate my fingers due to Mac contamination.:-) [just kidding]

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:20:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Red Lion Story

: I shoulda guessed the Norristown line uses hand-me-downs, the cars
: have that ancient look ...

The 160 series cars (1 may still be running) were bought new in the
1920s and the 200 series cars (5 may still be running) were designed
with the help of wind tunnel tests and bought new in 1932.

The Chicago cars have a balance speed of about 48 mph and sound
like they're doing 100 when they're maxed out.

The reason all those relics are still rattling between 69th Street
and Norristown is the replacement equipment is taking forever to
debug and build.  When the new cars show up, they'll be of interest
to the electrical engineers on the list: their power source is 600v
dc, but they carry solid-state inverters that mimic variable-
frequency three-phase alternating current, so the motors are
squirrel cage induction motors.  Because the new circuits can
vary the frequencies infinitely, the cars ought to start and
accelerate very smoothly.  They've also got railfan seats, if the
diagrams I've seen are accurate.

Steve Karlson

Hey!  The Disneyland monorail has a railfan seat, too!
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:41:48 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Character Recognition
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> \\\\\\\\\\  <==(should be 10 backslashes)

They look like backslashes to me.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: Fischer details (forwarded)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:53:50
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In-reply-to: Marty Rosen's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:17:48 -0500

Marty informs:

   A federal grand jury in Washington indicted Bobby Fischer yesterday on
   a charge of violating the economic sanctions on Yugoslavia by defending
   his "World Championship" from September to November.
 [...]

yes, but, you still haven't told me who won?  fischer or spassky?  i assume
fischer, but ya just never know.

//anne//
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:46:59 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Identification etc
              12 Dec 1992 13:26:37 EST from
              <ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>

Here is what Paul Fussell recommends:

"Have a nice day."

"Thanks, but I have other plans."

--brad
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:00:36 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Xmas trees, traditions
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> Rather than composting them here they dump them in ponds to make
> catfish condos.

Here also.  Also condos for other kinds of fish.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:17:16 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Grammatical question...
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On Sat, 12 Dec 1992, Anne Burton Harwell wrote:

> Oscar Wilde, in "De Profundis." (I think)
> BTW, why hasn't anyone yet repeated the 1970's rejoinder that now it's the
> love that won't shut up?

No, -abh, you stupid idiot, "De Profundis" hadn't even been written yet
because Wilde didn't dream he was going to prison. Here's something from
Richard Ellman's biography of Wilde:

[at the trial]
"In cross-examining Wilde, Gill tried to...besmirch him by associate him
with the _Chameleon_...two homosexual poems by Douglas in it. 'What is the
"love that dare not speak its name"?', he asked. After all his lies,
denials, and shifts, Wilde suddenly found a voice:

"'The "Love that dare not speak its name" in this century is such a great
affection of an elder man for a younger man as there was between David and
Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, such as you
find in the sonnets of Michaelangelo and Shakespeare. It is that deep,
spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and
pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michaelangelo,
and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century
misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the 'Love
that dare not speak its name,' and on account of it I am placed where I
am now. It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection.
There is nothing unnatural about it. It is intellectual, and repeatedly
exists between an elder man and a younger man, when the elder man has
intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life
before him. That it should be so the world does not understand. The world
mocks at it and puts one in the pillory for it.'"


-abh
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:04:36 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts
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:It's an external, an itty bitty external with an indicator that spells out
:the device's state in words, not indicator lights, and with Mac software
:included for faxing, for when I finally break down and buy my Mac, which I
:am softening myself up for by getting this smaller device first. And a Mac
:cable, also for the Mac I don't own yet... waiting for the rumored new 040
:family to be introduced in Feb.....we'll see...

Take note people.  This is the price you pay for getting tied into Macintosh.

G
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:39:01 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts
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              17 Dec 92 23:07:45 +0000. <9212172326.AA14573@sics.se>

  Ruth splutters defensively:

  >They work differently, maybe [haven't used Windows enough to know all the
  >tricks] but they're both for people who can't handle command lines.

  Well, you computer users with hair on your chests are quite free to go
on using command lines all you like. The spluttering here is very one-sided.
I don't care about mice or command lines one way or the other, but about
getting things done, and the Macintosh gets things done for me quickly and
smoothly. It puts a lot of strain on programmers, of course.
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts
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              17 Dec 92 16:31:35 -0500. <9212172150.AA11911@sics.se>

  >That it is.  Since Windows does not come with an editor, this was
  >the suggested way of using your own editor from the Windows file
  >manager.

  I haven't met any Macintosh user who can stand Windows.
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Foreigners in Japan
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Posted on 17 Dec 1992 at 17:05:47 by karsten
>>> I don't know what or where this place is.  Time to grab the phone
>>> book and the Thomas.
>> Shouldn't be too hard to find, I hear...
>I had hoped that I was posting that late enough that somebody
>else would take the straight line first.

This is one of those times when I feel like we should rename words-l
"The Karsten and Graham Show!"

Karen, enjoying it
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: Christiane Amanpour

*** Resending note of 12/16/92 20:25

>>Is it happening all over the world? Torrential downpours seem to be the
>>order of the day here as well.

>The rain is pouring in Mississippi.  Is it dry anywhere?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yes.  In Tampa now: no rain, no sleet, no snow, no clouds, no cold weather -
                    just perfect spring weather ....bah, humbug!
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:28:30 EST
From:         Brad Baxter <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?
              18 Dec 1992 09:22:00 -0500 from <KUTZER.STEVE@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>

>Subject: What kind of people are you, anyway?
>Sender: STEVE KUTZER 919-549-8723 <KUTZER.STEVE@epamail.epa.gov>

Yo soy un hombre sincero de donde crece la palma, y antes de
morirme quiero echar mis versos del alma.

* Alt-Brad *
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:34:44 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Common law
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Subj:   Common law

Marty says:

> coincidence:  Louisiana and California are both singular instances of
> the adoption of civil codes (can two things be singular?).  They are

A third example in the North American context would, of course, be
Quebec. In fact Quebec's whole constitution is a fascinating political
science/jurisprudence area of study.

I have to say, Marty, that your presentation is extremely welcome
from my point of view. In a world of popes, each with his own dogma
(not having heard any female voices in the verbal chaos), a little
bit of evidence goes a long way. My statements in this area were based
on studies long since concluded, the outcome of which had always been
corroborated as common knowledge, but the sources for which have long
since been forgotten.
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*  Peter Montgomery               Montgomery@camosun.bc.ca  *
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:13:49 +1000
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Inexcusable favoritism by Carolyn
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>I am only responding to this for the rather base reasons of
>      a) editing that irritatingly superfluous "u" out of the subject line

If you didn't speak American English then you would probably find it even
more irritating to see it omitted.

>      b) pointing out to Carolyn that she must be (summer time?) 11 hours
>         ahead of Greenwich (or else that last post got here an hour before
>         it was posted--I knew she was good, but *that* good?)

Yep! That's what I said in one of my TP posts yesterday..... I'm 11 hours
ahead of GMT... usually only 10 hours but it's DST here until March.

Carolyn
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Common law

>I suspect tracing these cases back will bring me to my desired conclusion.

It's all *written*, Marty.  And the Ninth Amendment is a laugher--too bad, but
true.  The last serious attempt of a Justice to use it was Golberg in Griswold
v. Ct.  The next thing you're going to tell me is that the Republican Guarantee
Clause poses difficult questions of federalism after 143 of the clause being
held to be nonjusticiable.  (What you wanted to say about the Ninth Amendment.)

I said, btw, English common law is just plain not the law here, anywhere.
Influence?  *Of course* there's <influence>.  You probably think that because
tortilla is a Spanish word it is not English.  An English common law rule
adopted here, by judge or by statute is still an English common law rule?
Historically speaking, yes.  Legally speaking, no.

Blackmun's opinion in Roe v. Wade, btw, is a bad one to cite for anything.
Every year the clerks get together and give what they call the Shermie Award for
the worst opinion of the term.  In 1973 they didn't give the award because
Blackmun's was *so* bad.

As for Normans, well, the legal language we're stuck with is some pretty aweful-
sounding French, e.g. an estate pour autre vie.  I just see the mistake I think
you are making as equating the meaning of a word with its etymology.  At some
point "serpent" ceases to mean "crawling one" and means "snake," however
appealing the past might be.

And don't search too hard for the quaint custom case.  You won't find it.

Since you're willful distortions always get you to your desired conclusions,
could you at least please state as clearly as possible your desired conclusion.
The rest will follow.

-K

-Mka
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Subject:      Re: Now for something completely anal-retentiv

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> >Is 50's worse?  "In the mood" to "rock around the clock"
>> Oooooh....*serious* dancin' music!  It doesn't get better than them...
>> just add "string of pearls"...
>
>And heaaarrrtttts made of stone dodawadodawadado...
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Aw, baby, you *know* what I like

JAG
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In a previous article, R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Evelyn Duncan) says:

>With a sword and a watermelon target, one could play Highlander. :)
>
With late-night TV, one can watch the Highlander series on CBS!:-)
[HUNK ALERT!]  Alas, I'll never be too accurate with the repro. sword
I have; the sword is a northpaw and the highlander wanna-be is a southpaw.
And of course, asking me to do anything that requires coordination is
asking for the moon. [no matter what's being sliced :-) ]

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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*** Resending note of 12/18/92 10:31

>Oh!  Okay, Steve.  We'll post fewer messages in order to keep you happy.
>Lissenup, everybody!!!  Curtail, curtail!  Everybody slow long enough to
>suck this newbie into the web.

>Marty

But Marty, I'm trying to catch up from my almost two weeks exile :-(
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From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Quoting on Vaxen
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abh says:

>2). Quoting on Vaxen: can't be done under any VMS package with which I am
>familiar, except by hand-inserting the > marks. Which is why I quit doing
>my mail on a VMS system and switched to UNIX(tm).

I've been reading words-l very sporadically lately -- have yet to resort
to deleting stuff yet, but it may come to that -- so apologize for the
lateness of this response

Yes, it is possible to do this on VMS (after all I used VAXEN for years
that were running unix) and with thanks to List Honey Adam Hartfield.  A while
back while still at Drew he sent me this macro.

define key control v as 'ER -L 32000(62ASC -2L) ER.'

Include this line in your edtini.edt file.  It makes 'CTRL-V' the magic
key and will insert an '>' before every line of your file.  Use the
forward/edit command to get yourself a buffer to play with -- at least
that is what one does in the mailer in use here -- have no idea what it is,
but I'd guess it some standard DEC-supplied utility, as the VMS system people
don't seem to be into installing non-DEC stuff.

--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:01:21 -0700
From:         JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
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Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Ruth's Turn

Careful, Ruth!  That Ozzie TP is a killer!

>Louis Bleriot, the first Frenchman to fly.
>
>Evelyn Duncan

Nope.  Jean F. Pilatre de Rozier, Nov. 21st, 1783, while the Brothers
Montgolfier (nobody's fools) stayed on the ground and washed their hands.

JMW,
List Docent

Q:  How many reference librarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
A:  I don't know, but I'll look it up!
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Hi.

So when *is* the big TP gathering set for--have to work in around nasties.

-K

-Mka
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