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Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Help, I'm a Beginer
Date: 19 Nov 92  22:58:02 CST

Hello Everyone,

I am new to NetHack.  I am playing version 3.0 (j) and am having problems.  I
know that this game is great but I can't seem to get very far in it.  Maybe
to the fourth floor in the dungeon but that's it.

What I need are some general pointers...What character is the best to use
(for a beginner)...so far I usually go with a Priest or Barbarian.  The problem
I usually run into is a lack of food.  I pick up all of the Food Rations,
Eggs, etc. I can find and I eat all of the corpses after I kill them but I
still run out of food.  Is there something I'm missing out on.

Second, is there a rule to where the "shops" are.  I've only found one, on
the second dungeon level and made the mistake of trying to kill the
Shopkeeper with a Striking Wand <g>.  Are there any shops that sell food?

Third, what is the dog/cat I get for.  I found that sometimes they'd steal
things from the shop for me.  I know that there is someway to use the pet to
tell if an item is cursed.  How does this work?

Finally, could someone please explain alters, temples, priests, etc...I don't
understand the "religion" of Nethack at all.

I really appreciate any help and this group is an awesome way to learn about
NetHack from all of you experienced players.

Thanks...

//\\//\\atthew
\\//andergrift

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: m@soto-next.Stanford.EDU (mike horansky)
Subject: Re: Best Armor poll
Keywords: armor,  spoiler
Reply-To: m@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 02:51:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.234026.25090@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
laruedm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (David Larue) writes:
>  -=> Imho, Displacement is only better than
>  -=> Protection in that you occasionally get an interesting  
message.
> 
> Don't forget it also causes every first hit from a monster to  
miss...I'd
> call that handy...
> 

[Spoiler Alert]








The best armor setup, based on mine own experience:

Hawaiian shirt (+ whatever)
Gray dragon mail (magic resistance)
Speed boots (2X speed)
Helm of brilliance (+4 or 5 to help with spells)
    (Helm of telepathy could also be useful; I say its a toss-up)
Gauntlets of Dexterity (increase to hit)
Cloak of Displacment (reduce hits on you)

My assumptions for the above list:

Str 18/** can be attained intrinsically, is better than str 25
Stealth intrinsic can be attained after ALOT of sacrifices and  
prayers
Invisibility can be gotten from stalker

--
-Mike Horansky
 m@leland.stanford.EDU

I don't want to be President, but will serve if asked to by my  
country.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (walter misar)
Subject: Crysknife ?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:16:53 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

Hi all,

Does anybody know how to obtain a crysknife ?
Ok, I think you need a wormtooth first, but what comes next ?


-- 
Walter Misar
misar@rbhp56.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: gyugyi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Gyugyi)
Subject: Re: More 3.1 suggestions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:31:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132833.20548@yang.earlham.edu>, marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:
|> Student: Starts with a lot of spell books and scrolls, and a magic marker. 
|>    Stats: str:10 int:15 dex:10 wis:12 con:12 chr: 14
|> Has intrinsic sleep resistance, and has a percent chance of having poison 
|> resitance from exposure to school food. 

And a six pack of potions of confusion!
Not to mention eye glasses.
-- 
Paul J. Gyugyi
Grad student, control systems, Stanford University
(and an avid LEGO collector)
gyugyi@earthsea.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: ianb@netcom.com (Ian Barkley)
Subject: - in name??
Organization: The Order of Ancient Mysteries
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:51:22 GMT

During a recent game, my character Sermil 'became a new man'. When asked for
a new name, I didn't have any wonderful ideas, so I typed 'Sermil-ish', and
then later saved. Now, how do I get back into the game? 
"nethack -u Sermil-ish" says "unknown role I" and gives the start-up screen.
Ditto on setting name in $NETHACKOPTIONS, or even $USER. This is a
multi-user system, so I can't rename the data file, either. 
I didn't see this in the FAQ. Any hints?

Thanks, 
-Ian
 ianb@netcom.netcom.com
 ianb@physics.berkeley.edu
 ianb@ocf.berkeley.edu

P.S. please respond by e-mail, as I don't read this group.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Subject: Re: Unusual Death...
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:24:34 GMT

bandu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jagath Samarabandu) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.123906.8677@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>>Sounds like you learned a valuable lesson:
>> #untrap those chests before you touch them!
>
>Well, I've never been able to do this. I mean when I #untrap, it says you don't
>see any traps on the box. But open it and *boom* gas, fire or electricity.
>
>This happened to me twice, so I'm pretty sure about this. Any reasons why?

#untrapping is similar to searching. You have to do it a few times before
you find the trap.

  -dif-
-- 
Dave Faulkner, Research Engineer                    (dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: ahabig@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (Alec Habig)
Subject: Re: Disintegration Resistance
Keywords: Disintegration resistance, tinning kit
Organization: Indiana University Astrophysics, Bloomington, IN
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:50:45 GMT

In article <By340D.Axw@acsu.buffalo.edu> v094px3a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger) writes:
>>neccessary to win.  In my >25 wins, I've had dis. res. only about 2-3
>>times (mostly picked up because I had a tinning kit).
>> 
>What does a tinning kit have to do with disintegration resistance?  I get it
>by eating a black dragon.  No need to tin it.

Ah, but a tinning kit has the following advantages :

1) save that bulky dragon corpse in a easily totable, eatable when you're
hungry form.

2) Bless that kit, and it gives any monster intrinsics automatically when you
eat the resulting tins.

	Alec
From: fda88@garnet.berkeley.edu (Saykally Group)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Ascension report
Date: 15 Nov 1992 20:45:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu





 spoilers, for you brave souls who don't cheat like I do...





 hope that works.

  Finally won one of these games.  The relevant stats:
2417676 points, level 27 (Wizard), 166 Hp, AC -33.
Str 18 89, others at 18 (cept Ch at 17) (started of with Str 17, which was
 pretty useful.)
Got 4 charges out of WoW.
Extensive polypiling, ending me up with a mess o' gain abilities, enchant
 armors, remove curses, and probably 8 Life Savings.  I had a level with
 two altars, lawful and neutral, so I was blessing things as they came
 off the polypile and occasionally pacifying Thoth.  Also a gray unicorn on
 the level and I was able to stock up a bunch of identified jewels. 
Also got lucky with a couple of ghosts.  Stockpiled some pretty good
 stuff, and only needed a couple of blessed remove curses to make it usable.
Always carried about 4 of the Life Savings with me, but only used one,
 by stepping in a pond when I thought I was wearing levitation instead of
 speed boots.  
Excalibur +5.  Also had Firebrand +5, but never used it. 
Used conflict for the Castle level, but abandoned it after that because I
 was petrified of losing teleport control or polymorph control.  Didn't
 miss it either.
By the time I went after the Wizard, I'd mapped out all the levels above
 him (up to a point, anyway) and dug out paths to the stairs as much as
 possible.  Seemed like this did speed me up a lot.  He only came after
 me twice before the EndLevel.  I took both swords and several blessed
 tamings with me, but mainly I just swatted my way through.  This is the
 first time I've had an AC this good, and even minotaurs never got me
 below 130 Hp or so.  I was shocked, 'cause they've mopped up the floor
 with me every other time.
Blew up a bag of holding.  Sigh.
Almost thought the Endgame was over when I killed a couple of giants in
 a doorway and the door got blocked up with boulders.  Figured a wand
 of digging would work, but it doesn't.  Eventually Scotty beamed a new
 giant in on the other side and he picked the boulders up for me.
Wasted an hour in the EndLevel looking for the damn stairs.  Didn't
 recognize the altars...thought they were walls.  Stupid, yes.

Okay.  Last thing you need is to spend time you're not playing reading
 long posts.  Mainly I want to thank the development team, and all
 you die-hards who provided the ever-so-vital spoilers.  I used them
 shamelessly.
Now on with my life...



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From: walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk)
Subject: Re: Wish for 1st levl mage
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:25:42 GMT

buie@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (willie.j.buie..jr) writes:
>	2) magic resistance and disintegration resistance are *mandatory*
>	   intrinsics, and displacement is not (actually, I'm usually
>	   invisible and so heavily protected by the time I hit the
>	   castle, I don't even miss displacment if I don't have it).

Magic resistance is manditory, but disintegration res. is hardly
neccessary to win.  In my >25 wins, I've had dis. res. only about 2-3
times (mostly picked up because I had a tinning kit).

 
					Todd Walk
					walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: jack@multimedia.gatech.edu (Tom Rodriguez)
Subject: altars and praying
Organization: Software Research Center / Georgia Tech
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:31:05 GMT

	Could someone give a good explanation of the ins and outs of
praying and using altars?  I've never gotten much benefit sacrificing
at altars.  not much more than a hopeful feeling.  Also is there
anything interesting that can be done with a demon lord summoned by
sacrifice?  i mean besides trying to kill it.  Thanks for any help.

	tom
--
Tom Rodriguez  (jack@cc.gatech.edu)
Multimedia Computing Group - GVU Lab
Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: elvis@netcom.com ('kEvin')
Subject: How do I get my pet out of a shop?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:15:35 GMT


I'm on a bones level, and while standing in the doorway of the shop
waiting for my well trained pet to loot it, I was attacked by a ratwere.
I killed it, then moved over it to see what it had. It seems to have
picked up the cursed loadstone my previous incarnation had gotten saddled
with. The geometry of the corridor won't let me kick it out of the way,
and I don't have a pick-axe or any means of removing curse.

How do I let my dog out?


kEvin
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Subject: Re: Scroll of charging
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:45:06 GMT

nick@majiq.com (Nick Adami) writes:

>Can a magic marker be charged more that once with a blessed scroll of
>charging?

No. Neither can anything else.

  -dif-
-- 
Dave Faulkner, Research Engineer                    (dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
From: v094px3a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Crysknife ?
Summary: Getting a Crysknife
Keywords: Cryaknife, Enchant weapon
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.151653@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>, misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (walter misar) writes...
>Hi all,
> 
>Does anybody know how to obtain a crysknife ?
>Ok, I think you need a wormtooth first, but what comes next ?

After you find a wormtooth, weild it and read a scroll of Enchant weapon.  It 
will say, "Your weapon looks sharper" and it will become a crysknife.  Just 
remember, once you have the crysknife, NEVER drop it.  If you do, it will revert
to being a wormtooth (although keeping any pluses it might have had) and will
have to be re-enchanted.

Happy Hacking!
From: cyoung@ctron.com (Christopher K. Young)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Chaotic gods?  What pleases them?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: cyoung@cardinals.ctron.com (Christopher K. Young)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

I had a character (rogue) and somehow I got the Rat God angry.  My intrinsic
list said I was still "stridently aligned" but all my sacrifices said "You
have a feeling of inadequacy".  This lasted for ever!  I got Rat God angry on
about level 10 and it stayed that way even until level 26 were I bit it from
trying to go head to head with a balthiurm(sp, whatchamacalit).

I remember someone else having this problem too.  I tried killing everything
in sight (save for tamed beasties adn priests of my type).

Any have any similiar stories?  Solutions?

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: c89mikho@IDA.LiU.SE (Mikael Hovmoller)
Subject: Re: ATHAME
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
	<21NOV199217185230@eql.caltech.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:04:31 GMT


   > What the heck IS an athame?  I've scoured many a dictionary looking for it,
   > but have had no luck.

	I had the same question, and more or less assumed that it was some
   sort of staff since only wizards got to have one.  (That was a bad assumption
   since NetHack clearly treats it as a bladed weapon...)  It's actually a type
   of dagger, sometimes (usually? always?) with a "wavy" blade.  3.1 will have
   an entry for it in the database used by the '/' command:

   "	The  consecrated ritual knife of  a Wiccan  initiate (one of
   "	four  basic  tools,  together  with the  wand,  chalice  and
                                                        ^^^^^^^
   "	pentacle).   Traditionally, the  athame  is  a double-edged,
   "	black-handled,  cross-hilted   dagger  of  between  six  and
   "	eighteen inches length.

Thanks, I've wondered too. Now, what is a chalice?
/Micke - not native in English and without a dictionary...
--
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Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (|Joe Vigneau|)
Subject: Re: More 3.1 suggestions
Organization: /usr/u/guest/jvigneau/.organization
	<1ecgs1INNbcj@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
	<1992Nov18.132833.20548@yang.earlham.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:50:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132833.20548@yang.earlham.edu> marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:


   Student: Starts with a lot of spell books and scrolls, and a magic marker. 
      Stats: str:10 int:15 dex:10 wis:12 con:12 chr: 14
   Has intrinsic sleep resistance, and has a percent chance of having poison 
   resitance from exposure to school food. 

   ----Marc Seebass

I think this one has a lot of possibilities.  I'd rather see this type than
the tourist type, or even the healer type...
--
jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu-<All opinions are mine, not UMassLowell's>-Joe Vigneau
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner)
Subject: Re: dumb question
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:44:02 GMT

hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.161536.24406@u.washington.edu> scythe@byron.u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper) writes:

>So ... I have a magic marker and I get a blank scroll.  Now I want
>to write on it.  Any suggestions as to what I might want to write?


Yep.  Spoilers...

Use you "\" command to list your discoveries.  You can write scrolls on
that list that you have already discovered.  Note that they must have been
identified, ie, "A tattered scroll called Scare Monster" won't work.

Also, you must have enough ink in your pen.  More powerful scrolls take up
more ink.

I'm not sure about how intelligence factors in.  If you're dumber that a
stump you may not be able to write some scrolls.  I've never had a problem
though.

-- 
Gregory Sumner       _   _                              
gregs@eskimo.com    (,) (,)    Look!  He has a new      
Seattle, WA            "       EMAIL address!           
                       O                                
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Differences between PC and UNIX versions
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:09:18 GMT

In article <1ee45kINNbp3@skat.usc.edu>, sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet) writes:
> 	What are the differences between PC Nethack and the UNIX version?
> I have successfully gotten the amulet and escaped the dungeon without
> ever seeing these items that are frequently mentioned in this newsgroup.
> Am I missing something? (besides a UNIX machine?)
> 	
> 	These are the items:
> 
> succubus
> Unicorn horn
> polymorph traps, polymorph control
> giving money to a non-aligned temple priest
> altars, temples
> drawbridges
> horns, musical instruments, playing music
> Medusa

Sound like you may be playing a different version, or one with some
of these options turned off.  Hit "v" to check the version (should
be 3.0j Patchlevel 10.

*********************************************************************
the only thing that speaks the truth is the eloquence of passing time
               the spoken word is a jacket too tight
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: skaven@carson.u.washington.edu (The Missionary of Montlake)
Subject: New artifact idea...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:07:31 GMT

   Step 1) Kill the medusa
   Step 2) Drop a shield of reflection on the corpse
   Step 3) Zap a wand o' polymorph at the pile

Result: the Aegis shield of Greek mythology.  Not only is it a shield of
reflection, but it also has a % chance of petrifying h-t-h opponents. 
Healers may rarely get it by #praying since their diety is Athena (I think)
and others may wish for it.  However, since Athena would only loan her 
shield to mortals who really pleased her, if you do anything to displease
the gods she comes and takes it back.

Bill Gilliland -- skaven@u.washington.edu -- Top Score 2.1 x 10^6 (Elf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Subject: Help!  Where was I?
Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:37:41 GMT

Hi all,

So I'm on level 27 of hack 1.0.2 (so sue me, I like the old game too).  This
level is just one big maze.  I checked everwhere, killed the minataur and got
his wand of digging, but I could NOT find a down stair case.  I teleported
while confused and chose level 28 to teleport to and lo, yes there was a level
28.  In level 28, which was also a maze level, I fgound the up stairs.  I went 
up and was standing on the up stairs of level 27.  Ie, I had no way back down 
again.

My question, can someone tell me what this level 27 is all about, and how far
down can I level teleport?  I tried it again and went to level 30 which was in
hell.  I was not wearing a ring of fire resistance.  I did my favourite 
impression of a campfire marshmallow.

All info is greatly appreciated,
thanks,
Greg.

=== Put your favorite funny sig file here ===
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Differences between PC and UNIX versions
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:52:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu


>In article <1ee45kINNbp3@skat.usc.edu>, I wrote:
>> 	What are the differences between PC Nethack and the UNIX version?

cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:
>Sound like you may be playing a different version, or one with some
>of these options turned off.  Hit "v" to check the version (should
>be 3.0j Patchlevel 10.


	I've been playing 3.0f Patchlevel 3.  I guess I'll have to hunt
down the right version.  Thanks.



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From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Subject: Re: NOT stuck on first level of hell
Keywords: stuck nethack hell
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:22:24 GMT

rswa@DIALix.oz.au (Radio Spares) writes:

>I'm now back on level 23 waiting for a scroll of teleportation to 
>appear. I'm at 60,000 plus moves now but it will be worth it when I've
>finished.

Another hint (which you may know already anyway)

Instead of waiting for a scroll of teleportation, your time may be
better spent searching for one.
                                                   -----------
Scrolls of teleport can sometimes be found in      |.........|
the small secret rooms you get on most levels.     -.........|
(The closed door is a secret door.) If you go      |.........|
back through the dungeon you will probably find    --+--------
some. You may also come across some undiscovered     ?
level teleporters. A stethoscope would be an ideal
tool for such a search. A ring of searching or a pick-axe would be handy
if you don't have a stethoscope.
  
  -dif-
-- 
Dave Faulkner, Research Engineer                    (dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: nick@majiq.com (Nick Adami)
Subject: Scroll of charging
Organization: MAJIQ Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:15:33 GMT


Can a magic marker be charged more that once with a blessed scroll of
charging?

Nick
aka Ben Dover
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: scythe@byron.u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper)
Subject: Re: The Wiz ain't no Wiz...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:36:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.171741.7288@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> picker@ee.ualberta.ca (Derek Pickering) writes:
>OK:
>
>I can get to the wizard but what do I do with him then?
>I tried attacking him (dumb move) and I got wiped.
>
>How do I get the Amulet and escape to the endlevel?
>(preferably without him chewing my ass all the way there!)
>
>-- 
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>$  Derek Pickering         $ - The subtilest lie is the truth.   $
>$ picker@bode.ee.ualberta  $             (Honest!)               $
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You gotta kill him.  Kill him fast, grab the amulet, and run.
If you can't wipe the floors with the  Wiz when you have lotsa
time to prepare for him, and at full stuff, you aren't ready for him...

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