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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Sportster Crotch Rocket??!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:20:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.163530.11991@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
|>Randy Davis:
|
|>  And don't be surprised that they were loafing along, and blow your doors
|>off when they turn up the throttle, for 1/2 of what you just spent hopping
|>up the Sportster...  (Sorry, Jeff).
|
|      Maybe not, go look up what the fastest motorcycle ITW is. It is
|a general misconception that all Harleys are slow. 

Could somebody who has the actual information and specifications on
this LSR bike please post it?  I've heard half a dozen folks mention
the Harley Speed bike, but never the particulars.

|The fact is, they
|are ridden slowly because they are such a joy to ride, there is no
|hurry to get somewhere and get off them. 

Oh, is that so?  Careful who you say that to.  You might find an ironbutt
on a Jap bike (like me).  I ride briskly for the thrill of using the
bike to it's capability, not to get anywhere.  If I'm not done riding,
I simply ride some more, destination or schedule be damned.  There is
more than one way, more than YOUR way, to enjoy motorcycling.

|Another reason is that, when
|you ride the best there is, you don't feel any need to prove you bike
|is as good as some other one.

Careful with that one, too.  There are many people who feel exactly
the same way about their bikes (some riders of German marques come to
mind), who DO NOT ride slowly.


Ed, ride on a ZX11 sometime.  Really.  Harleys are a blast to ride.  The
ZX is another kind of blast completely.  Each works, well.

|>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot
| ^^^^^
|      Will it still start in 1 kick when it is 35 years old?
|      Will you even remember it when it is 35 years old?

Gee, Ed, I think you're beginning to repeat yourself.

If I showed you a 48 Indian that was still healthy (Indians NEVER
started with one kick; that wasn't the technique), would you conceed
that Indians are better than Harleys?  How about if I showed you an
old 1-kick BMW?

Can you see the flaw in your reasoning?

	Dave Svoboda, with two very good motorcycles
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: RE Sportster crotch rocket
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:15:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.212607.15289@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
|
|>Ed, ride on a ZX11 sometime.  Really.  Harleys are a blast to ride.  The
|>ZX is another kind of blast completely.  Each works, well.
|
|  I have. It was even more uncomfortable than the R90/6 I used to ride,

  Perhaps.  It is also an aquired taste.  I don't find Harley's comfortable
to me, beleive it or not.  But, I agree, that is a very valid point - if it
ain't comfortable to you, you won't like it.  I've done 1200 mile weekends
with no problem on it, though.

|the "power" band was so narrow that it really should have an 8 speed
|gearbox to make up for the lack of low RPM torque, and it didn't seem
|to handle as well as the '49 Triumph I had years ago.

  You, sir, have never driven a ZX-11, then...  There are many bikes with
more low-end torque (and less ability to use it to accelerate - absolute torque
ratings are not THAT useful unless you are towing a trailer), but the
power-band is NOT narrow.  Sure, the power-band IS peaky, but the ZX-11 is
making more HP at 4500 rpm than the peak HP on your Harley, and the redline
extends all the way to 11,500 rpm for double the HP of your Harley with less
weight to lug around.

  You can say what you want about the comfort, your perception of the riding
"mystique", etc...  But you are dead wrong with your power comparisons.

| Now, if they'd
|extend the frame 6 or 8 inches,

  Sorry, this bike was meant to corner competently, unlike bikes with long
wheelbases (domestic OR foreign)...

[etc]

  Again, I'm happy you are happy with your ride, but there is no reason
to be inaccurate about other rides...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Sportster Five Speed Ratios
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:12:30 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

To the fellow who needed someone to post the ratios of the Sportster
5 speed tranny, sorry for the long wait, I finally got my service manual
back from a friend I had loaned it to. Here they are:

These are the tranny's internal ratios, that's meaning how many CLUTCH
revolutions to get one output shaft revolution:

   1st gear = 2.78
   2nd      = 2.03
   3rd      = 1.49
   4th      = 1.22
   5th      = 1.00

The primary ratios for all Sportsters is 1.60:1
   engine sprocket has 35 teeth, tranny's input sprocket on clutch = 56 teeth

NOTE that all the following OVERALL ratios are for ENGINE revs to REAR WHEEL
     revs.

   Here are the final drive ratios and net overall ratios:

   883 -> 21 teeth sprocket at tranny, 48 teeth rear wheel (chain drive)
      net ratio = 2.29:1 for final drive
      Overall net ratios for the gears are:
      1st = 10.17
      2nd = 7.43
      3rd = 5.45
      4th = 4.47
      5th = 3.66

   883 Deluxe -> Belt drive, 27 teeth at tranny, 61 teeth at rear wheel
      net final drive ratio = 2.26:1
      Overall gears:
      1st = 10.04
      2nd = 7.33
      3rd = 5.38
      4th = 4.40
      5th = 3.61

   1200 XLH -> Belt drive,29 teeth at tranny, 61 teeth at rear wheel
      net final drive ratio = 2.10:1
      1st = 9.37
      2nd = 6.84
      3rd = 5.02
      4th = 4.11
      5th = 3.37


This data is from the factory service manual for 1991 XLH models. The
final drive ratio changed somewhere between the 1992 and 1993 models
to use the "export" rear wheel sprockets (belt drive models) which gives
about 10% less engine rpm on the highway. The chain drive is not offered
on the '93 models anymore, all new H-D's have a belt drive secondary.
I dunno if any internal ratio changes have been made.
	 
<--------------------------------------------------------------------->
< Neal Howard    DoD #686             | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 >
< email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | '70 Kawasaki G4-100cc dirtbike>
< CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          >
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry)
Subject: Renting harleys in CA
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:24:17 GMT

Does anyone know of any Harley shops anywhere in CA who
(that?) rents out Harleys?  I met a total Harleyhead
in Germany who is visiting the USA soon and would like
to rent a Harley on its home turf.

(Forgive me if the 'ca' distribution didn't work.)

adTHANKSvance,
noemi
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noemi@cs.ucla.edu (for now)     				KotSBL
DoD #443  						'82 KZ 305 CSR
						    (what's left of it)
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From: zaphod@lamar.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: FXSTS
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:18:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523



Are there any truths to the rumors of problems with the springer
front ends?  I haven't had any and I just keep hearing this?

Thanx


Mike
'92 Springer
HOG# 0500444
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcyles
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: MSF: BRC or ERC?
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:46:38 GMT

The MSF courses are being discontinued by the State of Maryland
in a lame attempt to balance our State governments' budget
deficit.  The motorcycle registration fees used to finance the
program are not being discontinued, however.

I have one last chance to take the courses in the month of
October.  There are a few openings left if both the Beginning
Rider Course and the Experienced Rider Course, but I have to
sign up *now* if I want to get into one.  My question to any
of you experienced riders, is which one I should sign up for?

BACKGROUND:  I've been riding dirt bikes for 20 years, competively
for 18 years.  I've had a motorcycle driver's license for more
than 15 years, I just haven't ridden all that much on the street.
Now that I have a street bike to use, and am interested in buying
a new one, I'd like to take the MSF courses.

Is the BRC too elementary for someone who's ridden a bike as long
as I have?   Will I have missed too much if I just take the ERC?

I have thought about taking both of them together this month...

Thanks,

Tim Seiss  
tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Rings, Rings, It was the Rings!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:24:57 GMT

I stopped by the wrench with my smokin' softail last thursday and explained
how the rear rings seated and the front smoked like a crack-head.  He
frowned for a while and mumbled that he had to redo the front rings.
Sometime during the conversation he apologized for the hassle and mentioned
that he wasn't happy with the front rings he used but thought they would
work out.

It seems my old rings were worn enough to justify replacement but the
cylinders were still fine for the standard bore.  They had only one set
of standard bore rings (I guess they generally go to an oversize) and
needed two sets so he used rings from a piston kit on the front cylinder.
The clearance was a little excessive but he thought they were close
enough to work.  Sheesh!  They did work for a while but the gap was too 
wide after they seated.  There was virtually no oil control until the rings 
heated and expanded.  The problem was progressive and I burned an entire
quart of oil in 50 miles on Thursday.

The rings were changed on Friday and I'm still carefully watching the oil.
Hopefully 600 miles with loose rings didn't cause permanent damage to the
front piston or cylinder...

- Roid
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Knuckle Head wanted
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: stafford.Stafford-061092141415
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: usa
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Oct6.160042.4236@megatek.com>, rstewart@ganglia.megatek.com
(Rich Stewart) wrote:
> 
> I am interested in purchasing a Knuckle Head for to restore. 
> I'd prefer a '39 EL, I'll consider any. Anyone have a basket case?

Right.  How many does he want?  I don't know if it's even worth
the expense to ship these old wrecks.  Probably best to deliver
them by the trainload.
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Regulator vs. battery question
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:20:59 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Sorry, incomplete address in previous post
make that:
	Accel Warranty Services
	175 N. Branford Road
	Branford, Connecticut  06405

Sounds like a rural address, so either work probably work.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: Aermacchi racer
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:35:45 GMT

Some time ago, Neal Howard asked for info on a friend's 125 Aermacchi racer...
I can't find the original article, but I investigated further.

Are you sure it's a racebike as opposed to a street bike modified for racing?
I've never heard of a 125 Aermacchi racer, just 250s and the 500 twin that 
was somewhat less than a success on the track. Harley _did_ sell 125 Sprints 
made by Aermacchi for a while, however...

Do you have any more info on the bike? There are a couple more resources I 
could call on for info about this bike. 

I've lost your email address, Neal, or I would've sent this to you direct 
instead of posting. Drop me a line with anything else you know about the 
bike & I'll check it out.

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@math.rice.edu
'81 Honda CB750/836F
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: '89 XLH 1200
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.111242.25472@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
+In article <1992Sep30.205925.2173@exu.ericsson.se> exuses@exu.ericsson.se writes:
+>I am thinking about buying an '89 XLH 1200 Sportster and would appreciate the net's
+>opinion of what a fair price would be for a bike with the following:
+>
+>     Very good condition (body and paint)
+>     Screamin' Eagle Carb
+>     3K miles
+>     Windsheild
+>     Two-up seat with backrest
+
+ Blue book says 4850, average retail.  YMMV

One thing to note:  Any accessories added on to a stock bike is
worth 1/2 of the retail price at resale time... and that is the
MAXIMUM value of these accessories.
____________________________________________________________________________
	"Four wheels good; two wheels better" -- Motorcycle Farm????
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Is that Ness ????
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 17:01:14 GMT




>In all the years since then I have suspected that Ness was behind the
>styling of the (forgive all...) Suzuki Intruder...  
>anybody have any ideas ?

    I don't think so, they're ugly, but not THAT ugly. Besides, the
frame neck would be about 6 feet farther forward.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother
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From: dbooth@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (david booth)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:22:28 GMT
Subject: Re: HARLEY TRADING CARDS
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley

For those in the Bay Area, South Bay Cards on Grant Rd near El Camino,
in mountain View, have the Series 2, 100 Card Boxed sets for under
$15.00. 10 Card foil packs for 0.75c and series 1 10 Card Foil packs
for $1.50.

The cards are appreciating every day. They are very high quality cards
and very interesting details. There is to be a third and final series
(100 cards) produced early next year.

Regards

DB
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Regarding Fringe
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:02:40 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


fringe also serves to keep flies off -- the motion of the fringe
in the wind or through casual motions shoos them off. it also
blurs the outline of the body which helps one blend into the
environment.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomw@stephanie.megatek.uucp (Tom Wright)
Subject: Re: Long time mystery
Reply-To: megatek!tomw@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:49:03 GMT

In article <BvK1x5.47u@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>One thing about HDs has always puzzled me...
>>
>>Why don't the pad-lock holes on the forks and the frame line up 
>>when the bike is on its side-stand? These 1/2" holes miss aligning
>>by at least 1/4", so it doesn't seem to be an accident. About all
>
>What year models were they? On my 1991 XLH-1200 the padlock holes line up
>perfectly. Were yours made during the last of the AMF era when worker
>morale and quality control were a sad state of affairs?
>
'89 Heritage Special (a good 5 years after the end of the AMF era).

Perhaps they (finally) fixed the problem between '89 & '91. It's not a
"worker" problem. The parts are obviously *designed* this way on my bike.

Regards,
Tom

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Sporty hotup
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:23:09 GMT

In article <david.41.0@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU>, david@hawkesbury (David Watkin) writes:
>Im no expert on hotting up sportsters but I have improved on a few things 
>and intend to do more.
>Before you go crazy with the motor you should look at the handeling, I have 
>fitted a set of koni shocks (made to suit springs etc) and progressive fork 
>springs. As for modified brake systems I say  NO, with the engine brakeing 
>of a sportster commbined with softer pads and drilled disks i dont think you 
>need to spend $100 s of dollars on a fancy system.

As I understand it, the problem with the brakes is not capacity, but
feel.  I have never ridden a sporster, but I have ridden bikes with
good brake feel and bad brake feel.  The difference is in how easy it
is to modulate the braking near the limit.

>I have had my swing arm braced and I do think this helps, I have 4 inch 
>risers on the bike with drag bars this makes a comfortable ride and is not 
>to bad for handeling, also have a single seat fitted.

I know a guy who has clip-ons and rearsets on his sportster.  It's one
*mean* looking bike.  He also has well-worn knee sliders on his
leathers.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: rstewart@ganglia.megatek.com (Rich Stewart)
Subject: Knuckle Head wanted
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:00:42 GMT

I am interested in purchasing a Knuckle Head for to restore. 
I'd prefer a '39 EL, I'll consider any. Anyone have a basket case?
Thanks,
-Rich
rstewart@megatek.com
please reply via e-mail.
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Aftermaket Seats (or, not the corbin wars!) (was BMW K100rs)
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
]In article <867@zx11.UUCP>, steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade) wrote:
]> The back rest on the Rumble is a piece of shit in my opinion.  With my 130lbs
]> of mass, the thing flexed and twisted.  The corners stuck into my sides.
]> Not what I'd call confidence inspiring.  
]So, I suppose my 220 would just beat the shit out of the thing.  Maybe
]it's time for me to start riding the bicycle more. :-)

you have to keep in mind that steve's comments are based on a 15 minute
ride down one of the roughest roads in the area, not to mention that I would
guess this is the first corbin seat with a backrest that he's EVER ridden 
passenger on. I suppose he'd be happy with a seat with a rock solid mount 
that would seperate his vertibrae on every little bump. my wife loves it, and
I read another post on the net about another pillion loving it. I'd certainly 
put more credence on the opinions of the people who 1) actually own the seat,
or 2) have actually spent some time on it.

it's rather amusing as well to know that this is the exact same seat that steve
raved about and encouraged me to get. now it sucks. jealousy is an ugly beast.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ren Hoek rides motorcycle!
Date: 26 Sep 1992 22:19:03 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <20730@plains.NoDak.edu> fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein) writes:
[ tales of a tiny dog on the gas tank ]
>Too bad RENHOEK won't fit on a North Dakota plate (6 char max)...

Having driven through North Dakota, I'm amazed that they need
more than *1* digit on the license plates.  I didn't realize
people actually live there...  :)

(As an aside, Northwest Territories plates are shaped like polarbears
 and only have 4 digits.)

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Who are in KEITH_ANN.GIF at DoD archives?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:37:26 GMT

I was poking around the DoD archives at cerritos and found
KEITH_ANN.GIF.  "Wow!"  I figured.  Somebody digitized a picture
of my wife and I.  I wonder what the pictue is like?

Well imagine my surpise (and disappointment) when I saw some
strangers posing before Capulin Volcano National Monument.

hmm. So is there another Keith and Anne in the DoD?

curious,
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
and Anne Soucy.

DoD #245
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: DoD music . . . 
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:42:38 GMT

pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:

>This morning on public radio I heard the _______ Chamber Quartet perform
>the title work from their album *What if Mozart had Written "Born to be
>Wild?"*.  I made me think of the DoD and it brought a tear to my eye.

Anyone got a name for this group? I've got to track this one down!
(And wedge it in between Arlo and Dread Zeppelin, and see how many
minds I can blow. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked