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From: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: Thiruppaavai Verses 18-20
Reply-To: ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:38:29 GMT


In a previous article, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) says:

>In article <1993Jan4.184828.1991@cis.ohio-state.edu>
> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>>>
>>>I think that the word `vaacakam' in his
>>>`Thiruvaacakam' has a Sanskrit origin. Is it from `vasanam' ?
>>
>>"Vacha" in Sanskrit means (this is from memory) "to speak", "to say", etc. 
>>"Vachakam" means "speech," "saying, etc.   "Thiru-vacakam" means something
>>like "blessed" or "holy" speech, saying, or speech or saying about holy things.
>
>'thiru mozhi'  means exactly the same thing and used for two other works.
>
>Periyaazhvaar thirumozhi ( by father of AndaaL, who was a priest)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      I have read in an  earlier posting by N.Gopalswamy replying Kuram 
Narayana that Andaal belonged to `sudra'  caste. I like to point out 
that origin of Andaal is unknown. She was *adopted* by the priest
Periyaazhvaar and she was not his daughter. I have read  in a book that
she was left in his house when she was a baby and Periyaazhvaar brought up
her right from her childhood. 

>kulasEkara aazhvaar thirumozhi ( by king of Chera(KeraLa) Nadu)
>(The later composed the mukundhamala stotram in Sanskrit also).
>
>K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.
>

-- 
pax vobiscum,
sundara pandian.
ah724@yfn.ysu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Reg. Thiruppaavai
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:51:44 GMT

In article <47988@ogicse.ogi.edu> krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy) writes:
>
>         Thiruppaavai.
>         ------------
>
>The wonderful postings and discussions on Aandaal's 
>Thiruppaavai(vide Dr.K.Srinivasan,Aravind Srinivasan,
>Sundara Pandian,C.R.Selvakumar, Chandrasekharan,etc.)
>make very interesting reading indeed, to say the least.
>
>Could someone post the entire 30 verses with their meanings
>at the end of this month in one file(I seem to have missed
>some)?(By Jan.15th).

The versus of the Greater Thiruppaavai are available for anonymous
FTP in both PostScript and ADAMI format (the one used to post in this BB).
Try either of the following sites.

1) wuarchive.wustl.edu
	login as anonymous, passwd is your email address
	directory:: /doc/misc/thiruppaavai
2) ftp.stolaf.edu
	login as anonymous, passwd is your email address
	directory /pub/tamil

Get the README file first to see what other files in that directory mean.

natpudan
S_Bala

>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Ashok Krishnamurthy,
>Dept. of MS & E,
>OGI,OR,USA.
>-----------
> 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:05:31 GMT

In article <lkm80aINN846@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> satish@glob.Eng.Sun.COM (Satish Ramachandran - SunSoft Engineer) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...

[discourse deleted]

We are seeing a series of articles condemning eve teasing lately. They
were all simply reporting incidents and the mental state of the victim
being harassed. I do not think that any person from India need explanation
of what eve teasing is and how it *hurts* Indian women. But the said
articles discuss nothing but that.

The lynch mob attitude of the Indians are being displayed once again;
now it is somebody who has never lived in India for decades.

The point here is that how are we going to stop such things.

What have you done to stopping such dastardly acts?
and what can we do?

There were no answers in your post, other than name calling. I like
to paraphrase Sundaramoorthy here - "we need to learn to treat women
as fellow human beings". Then we not only will see some one being hurt,
but will also feel the pain.

The Indian movies in general, and Tamil movies in particular are also
largely to blame.

S_Bala

P.S:
----
If you want to accuse me of 'holier than thou' attitued, please
do so via email :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: radhika@june.cs.washington.edu (Radhika Thekkath)
Subject: Re: An incident in a PTC bus...
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:29:58 GMT

In article <1353@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
writes:
|> Dear Balaji,
|> 
  << deleted intro to riveting story >>
|> 
|> comes just after our schools close. One day we were all seated (6 of us)
|> at the long back seat (which is meant for ladies) because there was no
|> other empty seat or rather we wanted to sit together. When the bus went
|> to next stop, a group of girls boarded the bus and they were standing
|> right next to where we were seated. I was about to get up from my seat
|> when my friend caught my hand and asked me to sit down. After a couple
|> of stops, one of the girls started talking (purposely aloud!) to her
|> friends,"Sila Jadamgallukku ponnunga nikkaraangale, ezhunghukkanumnu
|> thooNaradhillai!". My friend immediately created a space between me
|> and him  and responded, "Kaal romba valikkiradha pappa?! Vaamma, vandhu
|> ukkaru". The girl's face turned pale immediately and she complained to
|> the bus conductor. The conductor, being a good friend of us requested us
|> in polite words to leave the seat. But we refused to get up and the group
|> of girls were standing till we got down from the bus! After this incident,
|> whenever my friend was spotted on the bus, these girls used to move far
|> away from him even though there maybe empty seats nearby!
|> 
|> God, how I miss  those days!

Yes, you really must miss being around weaker persons; as you probably realize
saying something smart-assed as this will land you a sock in the eye in this
country. But, of course you can get away with harassing women in Madras, because
there, they will not dare do more than complain to the conductor, who after all is
your friend.

Madrasilai singham, usa'lai puuna kutti.

|> 
|> Venkatesh.

radhika
(radhika@cs.washington.edu)
From: krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Reg. Minnal Varigal
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:01:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48205
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering


                 Regarding Minnal Varigal
                 ------------------------

Hai Netters,

A word about Minnal Varigal. Kudos to Srikanth for 
having originated the concept of Minnal Varigal. It
is something like "Thought for the day" that one seems
to want to read everyday.

Why don't we include Kurals and 2/4 line sentences with
meaning from Kamba Raamaayanam, Peria Puranam, Silappathikaram,
etc. If Srikanth wants to retain the identity/association of
Minnal Varigal only with film songs, he could probably name 
this new one as "Sindanai Varigal" or something.

Any opinions?

Ashok Krishnamurthy,
Dept of MS & E,
OGI,Oregon,USA.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.india,uiowa.announce
From: nataraja@icaen.uiowa.edu (Manakkal Sriram Natarajan)
Subject: Room for rent
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:35:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: SCT - 1998 - Science Fiction (Longish)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:11:43 GMT

In article <48263@ogicse.ogi.edu> kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth) writes:
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>From : kanth@cse.ogi.edu
>Subject : minnal varigaL - 2857
>Date : Jan 11, 1998
                ^^^^
 
	Are you still a graduate student at Oregon Graduate Institute?. :-)
	(or got into OGI faculty).
	
>
>And life goes on...........
>
>Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.


	M. Sundaramoorthy
	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Shivanand Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Thiruppavai Verse 26
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:05:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan9.182015.578@cs.cornell.edu> srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan) writes:
>
>I am posting this on behalf of 
>Dr. K. Srinivasan (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca).
>
>Regards,
>Aravind.
>
>===================================================================
>
>\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
>\(TAMIL20) 26. raagam: kunthaLa varaaLi
>\beginbox
>maalE! maNivaNNaa! maargazhi neeraaduvaan
>mElaiyaar seyvanagaL vEnduvana kEttiyEl
>NYaalaththai ellaam nadunga muralvana
>paal anna vaNNaththu un paancha sanniyamE
>pOlvana sankangaL pOy(p) paadudaiyanavE
>saala(p) perum paRaiyE pallaandu isaippaarE



	Calling Mr. Sundara Pandian to holler his lungs at this crossposting
	to SCI......
From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Pattinaththar -- again
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:28:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


       
           I have take tha liberty to rearrange Selvakumar's positing
as I like to start mine with an appology to all the netters & Kathiravan
in particular.

>From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>Subject: Re: pattinaththar  --cont'd
>
>      Raj your posting did give the impression of
>      mocking Saint PattiNaththaar.

           As I thought that the topic is generally considered to be heavy
I thought I will serve it with the flavour of humour ;-)
But it might have ended up as mockery. My appologies to all those who were
mislead by my article.

>>
>
>>  "kandavar vindadhillai
>>   vindavar kandadhillai"
>>
>>ie
>>   those who have seen havenot spoken (about it)
>>   those who spoke havenot seen it
>
>       There is also a philosophical or spiritual meaning.
>       This meaning can be rendered as follows:
>
>       'That which observes is not the observed;
>        That which is observed can not observe !'
>     
 This is also a very popular concept. But I donot think that this
interpretation is applicable here.

      viNdavar = those who have spoken

         speaking & observing are opposite things in a way. Speaking is 
an outward process where as obsrving is an inward one.
                   But however I donot not quesion the validity of the 
concept as I too have read this in may other text (including Zen).

>
>
>       There is much philosophical lore about
>       this process of 'observation' as one which DOES NOT involve
>       the three 'things' namely (1) observer (2) the observed
>       (3) the process of observation. The reason is     ( 


           As per the  Void Concept of buddhism  :

          There is neither the observer nor the observed.
          The only thing that exists is observation.

           As Selva pointed out the words are only a limited symbolic
representation of the meaning. In Zen they say "The Zen spoken is
no Zen". (Similarly  "The Tao spoken is no Tao").
             So I am not going to give a detail explanation of the above
lines.  Instead I will leave to the reader to experiment himself.


                 raj
From: krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: An incident in a PTC bus...
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:58:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Radhika,

	Thanks very much for your comments about my experience. But I just
have to apologise that you have grossly missed the whole point in my message.
My idea in narrating my experience was to supplement what Balaji had written
earlier. I don't take pride in embarassing a girl, neither do my friends. But,
I hope you'll agree that the system of reserving seats for women in buses is
uncalled for and discriminating. We at that time, quite frankly hated this
system because many a time I've noticed myself that a woman sitting in the
right half of the bus seldom gives up a seat for a old man standing nearby.
Whereas a old man sitting in a woman's seat is expected to give up the seat
even if a young girl is standing nearby. 

	This system is present only in Madras, and not in other metros. Don't
you think that the very basis of this system is that Women are considered the
weaker sex? I hope you'll agree that the very basis of this system is more
toward nonequality of the sexes. When the whole world supports liberation of
women and giving equal opportunities for all, this system of reserving seats
is against it. This argument could be endless causing unncessary heated  
discussion over the net. So, I in the best interests of the netters, would
request you to dispense with this topic.  

	I had written "God, I miss those days!" only trying to imply the 
great times of my student life and the monotonous, busy life of grad. 
student. I did not, I repeat , I did not have any derogatory intention in
my mind while writing my article. I had written it to be read by netters 
purely for its entertainment value and nothing else. Again, NO OFFENSE
MEANT, Ms. Radhika and thanks for your response.

Venkatesh.
(krvst+@pitt.edu)


-- 
|    /      |~~~~~~|      \        /   ********************************
|  /        |______|       \      /    A shortcut is often the quickest
|/ \        |  \            \    /     way to some place you weren't
|    \      |    \           \  /      going at all!
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 66
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:52:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48329
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"maNN kudisai vaasalenRAl thenRal vara veRuthidumA ?
	maalai nila Ezhai yendrAl veLicham thara maRuthidumA ?
	unakkaga onRu enakkaga onRu
				oru pOdhum deivam koduththathilai!!"

	From  "Koduththathellam koduththan..."

	Contributed by Ananda Padmanabhan                    

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
----------------------------------------------------------
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 64
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:00:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48213
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


       "uLLam thotta manmadhaa! ennai vittu chelvadhaa?
   	un sEdhi vaaraadhaa? uL nenjam aaRaadhaa?
   	indha alai nilavaip paarththu kaigaL neettudhaa? "

	From  "thEr koNdu chenRavan yaarenRu solladi.."

	Contributed by  Kanmani

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
----------------------------------------------------------
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 63
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:10:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48162
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"Aanip pon kattil undu!
	kattil mEl meththai  undu!
	meththai mEl viththai undu!
	viththaik Or thaththai undu!
	thaththaik Or muththam undu!
	muththangal niththam undu!!"
	
	From "kiNNathil thEn vadithu kaihalil Endhukiren..."

	Contributed by Senthil.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
----------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sarma@rtsg.mot.com (Raja Sarma)
Subject: Need Info/Help on E-mail to IIT Madras.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:39:38 GMT

Hi All,
	I am trying to reach someone through E-mail at IIT Madras.
I was wondering if any of you have succeeded in setting up 
reliable e-mail link between U.S and IIT Madras. I tried doing
a whois as described in s.c.i FAQ, but was in vain. The message
I got was "Cannot find sangam.ernet.in" or something to that effect
the same happened when I tried with shakti.ernet.in. What am I doing 
wrong?. Could someone please help me ?.

PS: Kindly send your replies directly to me. I'll post a summary
	to the net.

Thanks in advance.
-- Raja

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK)
Subject: KINDAL VARIGAL
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:24:36 GMT


	        `pizza've  endralum adhu 'idli vadi' polla varuma
		ada, diet coke endralum adhu 'single tea'ku edaguma

		From 'sorgame endrallum adhu namura..'


               Contributed by Satish Subramaniam




-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
athi			
_________________________________________________________________________
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: SCT `a' magazine issues now available by Anonymous FTP
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:43:04 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

       K.Srinivasan ( ADAMI ) gave me a good suggestion to archive
 the issues of the `a' magazine of SCT posted monthly for the use
 of those people who don't have access to USENET newsgroups. I have
 taken K.Srinivasan's suggestion and stored them in an anonymous
 site (wuarchive.wustl.edu ) with the help of Bala.

       `a' magazine is the literary magazine of SCT dedicated to
 modern Tamil literature and posted monthly by M.Sundaramoorthy
 and edited by Sundaramoorthy, Sundara Pandian, Vignewawaran (Vicky),
 Arul Suresh and Ramesh Vaidhyanadhan. Each issue of `a' provides a
 profile on a good writer in modern Tamil literature, gives   
 samples from  his/her writings and features stories and poems by other
 writers in modern Tamil literature and some original contributions
 from SCT writers. 

        The november issue of `a' carried a profile on Pichamurthy
 and the december issue of `a' carried a profile on Mahakavi from
 Sri Lanka. The next issue of `a', which will carry a profile on
 Mowni will be posted in a week time. ( We are sorry for the delay.) 

        After Sundaramoorthy posted the first two issues of `a', 
 some readers ( Sankarapandi and others ) have pointed out some typos
 and some comments like the transliteration provided in the earlier 
 issues are hard to read and suffers from transliteration errors, 
 I have gone through the old issues again, corrected and revised them
 completely. I have stored the *revised* issues ( Nov 92, Dec 92 ) in
 a ftp site with the help of Bala Swaminathan ( bs@cs1.wustl.edu ) and
 I thank him for archiving `a' issues. 

        The issues are available in the anonymous FTP site 

   wuarchive.wustl.edu
	login as anonymous, passwd is your email address
	directory:: /doc/misc/thiruppaavai/a
        files: nov.92, dec.92 

       If you have any problems in getting these files by ftp, please
 send me an e-mail.
  
 Regards, 
 - SP.
 sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kindal varikal
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:45:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ro.kat.726680755
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <1993Jan10.003233.27326@vela.acs.oakland.edu> apadmana@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Taxi Driver) writes:


>	'Pandri'yai kandan 'pakisthan'ai padaithan
>	payum vegathil 'Bangladesh'ai padaithan
>	yethuvumE indri 'Ethyopia'vai padaithan
>	yethanai kandan 'India' vai padaithan
        indiaayavaik kaNdu mathangaL piRanthanvO!
        mathangaLai kOndu indiaavai padaiththaanO! 
>		from : vantha naal mudhal
>-- 

>Ananda Padmanabhan                    
>______________________________________________________________________________
>					Kathiravan
From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A short summary on Ragas and film
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:15:33 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

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Subject: Re: A short summary on Ragas and film songs
From: sivaras@research.CS.ORST.EDU (Sivaramapuram Subramanyam Kris)
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:55:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: jasper.cs.orst.edu

>
>	"Puththam pudhu Poo pooththadho, ennangalil then vArthadho,
>	"muththam ida nAlanadho, solladi en sellakkiliye"

>This seems to be Hamsaanandhi.

>BTW, can someone explain what grahabaedham is? I have been hearing this term of late from Mr. Murali Seetharaman. I know about sruthibaedham but this term is peculiar to me.


>krishna
Sorry, but I did not use "grahabaedham" . I think it was Meenakshi Sundaram.
My name happened to be there before that.

Murali Seetharaman,
Utah State Uty,
Logan, UT-84322.
sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
From: satish@glob.Eng.Sun.COM (Satish Ramachandran - SunSoft Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:08:10 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: glob

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...

>I have never lived or studied in Madras city. But from what I have
>seen, Italy, particularly south of Rome, beats any city in India.
>But people take it in light spirit, as long as nobody is 'hurt'.
>During my visits to Madras (and travel in non-college peak hours),
>it does not appear as alarming. 
> srini@ <somewhere>

[This was forwarded to me.  And I thought the issue was serious enough to
respond...]

The year is new but I think this is the most pig-headed statement we have
seen yet.  Strong words but I feel they are neccessary still.

Is being impolite and discourteous to others, in particular members of a
certain gender, a game where countries are to outdo one another?
as long as nobody is "hurt"?  
if we are to do this comparison, why not compare with countries where such
behavior is not the norm or not tolerated or not encouraged.  Did we get all
this education and can we call ourselves civilized if we be discourteous to
others (esp. with the firm conviction that the other party cannot retaliate
and persons in authority look the other way - witness the "bus conductor was 
my friend" remark) and remark that others take it "in a light spirit, as long
as nobody gets hurt".

What sort of hurt are we measuring here, Dr. Srinivasan?
Does hurt have to be physical for you to wake up and do something more
concrete than abstract translations of thiruppavai and thirivembavai?
Or as you expecting folks, esp. the female members of society, to be hardened
and "emotionally strong" (read, brutalized enough) to take random grabbings
by strangers or, insensitive remarks by unruly hooligans as everyday normal
life?

Whatever happenned to being sensitive and sharing empathy and showing an
inclination to progress toward a better future? Or, as we to outdo one another
in being callous and rude and brutal towards one another?

-s