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From: dorf@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Stephen Dierdorf)
Subject: Re: Played X-Wing
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:55:18 GMT

In article <1isg3fINNhh8@girtab.usc.edu> joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>I just got back from the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas over the
>wend. LucasArts game division had a booth and they were showing off 
>X-Wing. I saw it running on a 486 with the grphics se to most detaiailed.
>It ran very smoothly and will be a GREAT thing to have when it comes out.
>WHEN it comes out...:). They said it will be released in Feb.
>You could fly an X-wing, A-wing, or a Y-wing. The first mission disk to
>be released will let you fly a B-wing. 
>I watched the representitive play some kind of cargo destruction mission.
>It was cool because if you direct hit a ship you could look out your 
>rear view and watch it blow up slowly as you flew away. Explosions looked
>great, but the sound didn't sound as good as I thought they would be.
>I don't think that they were directly digitized.
>
>They also were previewing a new Star Wars CD ROM game for the PC due to be
>released in the Fall of this year. It was called Star Wars: Rebel Assault.
>Guys....this will be great. I played a little of what seemed to be an
>enormous sized game. I think it was more or less a simulator but it had
>some flm footage digitized and was awsome. I played a sequence that was
>a T-16 Skyhopper flying through some kind of canyon (probably Begger's
>Canyon) chasing after some ships.  This will be great.
Are either of these going to be out for Macintosh???
 I WANT THESE GAMES!!! Please p[ost or email me!!!

		Scot Dierdorf			
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Re: RotJ was disappointing
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:00:48 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: RotJ was disappointing
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:59:24 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

STUFF DELETED

>No, I think the Christmas special was the most that we'll ever see of
>Chewbacca's relatives. =)

Hot damn!!!  I knew I saw a special on TV about Chewie and his family
on their home planet, but for years people have been telling me I'm
crazy.  Does anyone have a copy of this?

-=Road Warrior=-
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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 13:29:59 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1993Jan5.192534.18957@hubcap.clemson.edu> dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod) writes:
>I watched the trilogy last night with some friends, adn I noticed something that is
>(sort of) related to this thread.  At one point, there is a shot of Ben head-on where
>he is holding his lightsaber.  At the end of the shot, his lightsaber is no longer
>lit.  It looks like a few fluorescent dots compose his lightsaber, and not the usual
>beam of energy.  has anyone else noticed this?
>
>Doug Brod
>
>
>

Yes many have noticed this.  A few twisted individuals state it is intentional.
However, those that know how the effect works (and have reason) state that
it is an SPFX goof or glitch (absence of the effect is the goof).  You
make up your own minde.

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:27:58 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <1993Jan9.051238.11891@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
:In previous article warden@midnite.pinetree.org (Tim Warden) writes:
:
:>> How about this?  If Leia is Vader's daughter and Luke's sister, she must've
:>> always had a certain amount of the force, even though she didn't know it.
:>> How come Vader didn't sense it in the first movie when he was two inches in
:>> front of her?  
:
:I think you missed something: Just as Luke (Red Five) is doing his run in
:ANH to destroy the Death Star, and right on his tail is Darth Vader, just
:before Darth vader says "I got you now" and is afterwards pushed aside by
:a blast to his side (the Millenium Falcon to the rescue!), Darth Vader says
:"The Force is strong in this one". But he obviously doesnt care, and will
:blast Luke anyways. So it's not as if he cares if anyone is strong in the
:Force or not. The person who REALLY cares is the Emperor. (Later)

Uh, sorry, but you have the wrong order of events.  Vader was trying to
target Luke, and said "The Force is stong with this one".  Then came the
"I've got you now!" bit.  THEN Solo blasted the TIE fighter next to
Vader's to which Vader replied "Whaaat!".  Vader's damaged wingman crashed
into the wing of Vader's ship - sending him spinning off into space.

From what I understood about Ben's description of the force - being like
instinct, vader probably recognized Luke's "instinctive" maneuvering as
someone who the force is strong with.

As for the Emperor being the one to care who is strong in the Force,
recall that he first wanted Luke killed in ESB, until vader changed hi mind.

:>This makes total sense to me.  Also considering, when Luke left Dagobough 
:>Yoda was conversing with Ben... 
:> 
:>Ben: He is our last hope...
:>Yoda: No, there is another...
:
:It is known that the Force can be sensed from far away (example: when Alderaan
:is blown up, Ben feels millions of voices crying out).

Also remember that Ben said this was a GREAT disturbence in the force. 
A bigger disturbence can probably be felt farther.

:>The same line which is finished in ROTJ.
:> 
:>Tim
:-- 
:|o: "I am unarmed. Take your weapon and strike me down, with all of your    :o|
:| :  hatred. Your journey towards the Dark Side will then be complete."     : |
:|o:                                              -- The Emperor             :o|
:| : Odisseas Kosmatos <kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca>  "Nous sommes les robots" : |

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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From: boro@ph2.uni-koeln.de (Rene Borowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Trilogy Marathon in Boston
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:04:46 GMT
Organization: Institute of Theoretical Physics, University of Cologne, F. R.
	Germany

OK - I'm jealous !!!!

I like your work on the STARWARS archive very much !!  Great thing!

Greetings

Rene Borowski (boro@idefix.ph2.uni-koeln.de)
Vinzenzstr.54
5303 Bornheim/Merten (near Bonn...)
Germany
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From: mason
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:46:58 GMT

In article <93Jan05.204213.23149@acs.ucalgary.ca>
jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
 
>>6) A major character will be killed or die, maybe Chewbacca, Lando, or
>>even Leia.  This is a bit far fetched, but I think it is a possiblitity.
>
>This would lock Lucas into dealing with it later. It would also
>mean that if Part VII came along, and a character who Zahn had
>killed off was dead, then Zahn's books would be contradicted, and
>guess who wins the 'canon' battle.
>
>The only way the death of a major character could happen would be
>Lucas saying "all right, 4 years post-RotJ, so-and-so dies, and
>I'll never mention how/where/who/etc in another movie".
>(Un)Fortunately, the Dark Empire series by Dark Horse is set
>after Zahn's books, and all the major characters (even Wedge) are
>there. So unless Lucasfilm is contradicting itself already, it
>just isn't going to happen.
 
It's been fairly well established that only the movies can be
considered canon.  Lucasfilm allows outside talents to use the
characters from time to time, but those stories (Daley, Zahn,
Foster, Dark Horse, Marvel, etc.) are not incorporated into the
Lucas Star Wars continuity and thus did not "really happen".
 
I suppose an author could kill off a principal character, but other
creators would not be obliged to accomodate his changes.  Most
writers prefer to maintain at least the illusion of continuity,
and would not set up that kind of contradiction.  Even so, authors
regularly introduce new characters that are never mentioned outside
of their own books (Mara Jade, for example).
 
Enjoy the books, but don't expect too much.
 
-- mason
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: RotJ was disappointing
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:59:24 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

mason writes:

> In article <1328@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
> hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell) writes:
>  
> >                                         ... I just wish that he had
> >gone with the Wookies instead of the Ewoks.  I would have loved to
> >see a bunch of Wookies bring the Empire to its knees (Lucas stated in
> >"From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga" that the reason he finally
> >nixed the Wookies was that Chewie was too sophisticated.  He wanted a
> >really primitive culture to overthrow the Empire and since Chewie had
> >demonstrated that Wookies made good co-pilots and mechanics, Wookies
> >were no longer primitive enough).
>  
>    If Lucas wanted to show a primitive culture triumph over a techno-
> logical one, he should have found a different way to do it.  The Ewok
> battle was just short of absurd.  Wookies using vastly inferior tech
> would have worked just as well, and would have been far more believable.
>  
>    Here's hoping the new movies return to the level of the first two.
>  
> -- mason

I don't think the Wookies with inferior technology would have worked, 
considering the ease with which Chewbacca can adapt.  He simply hopped
into an AT-ST and immediately started stomping around, destroying other 
transports and picking off troopers.  Sure, he may have had a little more 
experience than his fellow Wookies would have had, but the high level of 
intelligence would have offset the feeling of a pitiful force overcoming 
the larger than life enemy.  Also, if the Empire had settled in an orbit 
around the planet where the Wookies reside, I'm sure they wouldn't have 
let the DS2 construction go on for too long before retaliating.

No, I think the Christmas special was the most that we'll ever see of 
Chewbacca's relatives. =)


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Archive list
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:43:19
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Questions
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: But, But, But...
Keywords: what to do...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.180703.1@vax1.umkc.edu> kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

[stuff deleted]

>That makes sense, but leads to another question: The screens of a SD seem to
>be awfully weak for a ship that size. In none of the battles there's any sign
>of a shielding effect. None of the shots fired terminate without hitting their
>target, the ion cannon pierced clear through any shield, the asteroid that hit
>one SD in TESB hit right home and even a single fighter managed to blast away
>the bridge shield of the executor. Is there any scene when a shield actually
>protects a SD from something?
>

Well, the whole point of ion cannons is to bypass shielding, and cause 
damage to the target's electrical system.  However, the ion cannon does
no real physical damage.  At least that's how the RPG explains all of
this...

[more stuff deleted]


	--Jerry



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From: cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar)
Subject: C3PO-gets a break
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: NSWCDD
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:53:26 GMT


In ESB, while on Bespin C3PO gets lost and is blown into pieces.  Later,
Chewie finds him and sets to putting him back together while in the gangs
quarters.  Shortly, Lando invites everyone to go to dinner and we all know
that Vader is waiting for them.  Note that the gang leaves C3PO in a box in
their quarters. 

My questions is:  Why would the Empire give C3PO's parts to Chewie in the
detention cell.  I understand the concept of not killing off a main
character. I was wondering if that was the only reason, or was the Empire
motivated in allowing Chewie to reassemble C3PO as opposed to sending his
remains back to the incinerator.

Disclaimer-I'm new to the group and apologize if this has been run threw
several times.


John R Cogar                 | Always expect the worst.
cogar@mv5.nswc.navy.mil      | That way you won't be disappointed.
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:33:34 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1993Jan12.133543.14393@fy.chalmers.se> f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg) writes:
>
> In article <1993Jan10.195237.17177@Princeton.EDU>, bkc@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Caruthers) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.121253.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> belcinski@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>, s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>>>>
>>>>   Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>>
>>Perhaps it is to provide additional surface area for radiating waste heat
>>from the engines thereby allowing them to run at a much higher (combat)
>>output level?

I think thats the best explaination. The concern for heat exhaust seem to 
affect the design of much of the SW hardware - DS's in particular. (I have
posted a long note on the subject awhile back)

>Ok, whatever the reason for SPREADING the wings is, what is the reason
>for pulling them in?

Well, quite obviously, to CONSERVE internal heat. A spacecraft (any size)
must carefully balance it's heat generation and expolsion. In a vacuum, even a
slight imbalance would cause runaway heating or cooling of the craft. (In an
atmosphere, conduction would work to restore thermal equilibrium rapidly).
Actually, runaway cooling can be compensated by activating heaters at the
cost of extra energy expenditure. (Runaway heating is much tougher to handle
since "coolers" - devices that cool - are prohibited by the 2nd law of
thermodynamics, it is only possible to expel heat via radiation - requiring
radiating surfaces).

While on "normal" flight, X-wing saves heating energy by minimizing radiating
surfaces. When generating too much heat - during combat - the wings are
spread to enhance radiative cooling.

Also, generally when in high speed atmospheric flight, minimizing wing
surface area has important aerodynamics advantages.

>Besides, it would be a little hard to land with the wings spread out...

Well, I suppose so. Imperial shuttles clearly have a configuration change
specifically for landing. But the biggest question of all is

                HOW DO TIE FIGHTERS LAND?

(I don't think we ever see a TIE fighter "parked", I suppose the basing SDs and
DSs could have some special holders - perhaps like coat hangers. But giving up
the ability to land on unprepared platforms - like the X-wing ability to land
anywhere, even in a swamp - while less important to the Empire than to the
rebels, would still seem a disadvantage)

>		-- BJORN


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From: bkc@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Caruthers)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:52:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.121253.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> belcinski@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>, s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>>      Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>> is the advantage of spreading the wings in an X-wing fighter in deep space?  
>
>  Possibly, it has to do with spreading out active sensors for better
>detection/targetting of the enemy.  Maybe the SW sensors rely on parallax.  
>
>> The engines are close to the pivot point and do not have a new position that
>> is substantially more efficient than they do when the wings are closed.  

Perhaps it is to provide additional surface area for radiating waste heat
from the engines thereby allowing them to run at a much higher (combat)
output level?

-bkc
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From: frost@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars New Movie
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:48:31 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1if7kpINN6n3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss) says:
> 
>>Hi!
>>
>>A few months ago (In july, I think) there was an ad in a magazine in Berlin,
>>Germany. It was from Fox Germany and they were lokking for: "...extras for the
>>Film STAR WARS: The Fall Of The Republic." I don't know wether it was some kind
>>of Hoax or not.
> 
> It's a hoax.  Fall of the Republic is the name of a bogus story treatment
> that's been floating around since 1983.  Besides, I don't think he'd be
> filming in Germany.
> 
> On the other hand, did you say that the magazine was from  Fox Germany?
> As in 20th Century Fox?   If so, or if anyone else has seen this, I
> would really appreciate a photocopy of it mailed to me at the magazine:
> 
> Box 25704
> Garfiled Hts, OH
> 44125
> USA
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ----  TJ
> 
> -- 
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It has to be a hoax. Judging from Mr. Lucas's attempts at secrecy for the
first trilogy (especially Jedi) it is a safe bet that he would not
so readily advertise a new movie in such a way.