HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion - unmoderating misc.activism.progressive
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:38:43 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu


I have no problem with their moderation. The group was formed with the
understanding of who would be moderating. I would oppose any effort to
unmoderate the group. I just have one request, when the moderators wish
to disseminate something into USENET from the group, please do it via
a crosspost; do not repost the article. Rich tends to do this in most
of the political groups and it is annoying since I see the articles in
MAP as well most of the time. It is also a waste of resources to double
the amount of bandwidth to transport the same article twice. Could the
moderators of MAP please crosspost?



-- 
Richard H. Miller                 Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu
Asst. Dir. for Technical Support  Voice: (713)798-3532
Baylor College of Medicine        US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H
                                           Houston, Texas 77030
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From: 880445p@dragon.acadiau.ca (Ravi Palepu)
Subject: Re: comp.database.object
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:42:12 GMT


yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:


>I favor the creation of a group for object-oriented database discussion,
>since we are about to get involved in one (or another of them), and I
>can use all the help I can get :-)  I can't say that I would be a
>contributor early on, but I would definitely contribute once I know
>something about it.

>I would prefer the name "comp.object.database", since that's the
>direction we are coming to it from, but it's not a big deal.

>--
>Joshua Yeidel               | yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu
>Academic Computing Services | All standard disclaimers apply
>Washington State University |   "Believe it if you need it, 
>Pullman, WA 99164-1226      |     or leave it if you dare..."
>509/335-0441                |         -- Robert Hunter

This action would enable people to concentrate on OODBMS implementations 
and its market.  Hopefully with this focus, the industry will
move faster or at least become more aware of the necessity of OODBMS.
My colleagues and I have found that much of our 
findings/queries are applicable to too many domains/newsgroups.

-R. Palepu

Jodrey School Of Computer Science,
Acadia University,
Canada 

 



Xref: sparky news.groups:26126 comp.sys.mac.misc:22177 comp.sys.laptops:5098
From: mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew Englander)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Re: PowerBook Newsgroup
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:46:51 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <C165MD.7qq@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:
>    This proposal, as it currently stands, is completely invalid
>according to the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Until the original
>poster has an approved RFD for the group, there should be no talk about
>in news.groups. Please confine discussion to either comp.sys.laptop or
>comp.sys.mac.hardware which are the two main groups for powerbook
>discussion.

You obviously don't read comp.sys.laptops, because if you did you would
know that hardly any of the discussion on that group is relevant to
PowerBooks. Of the last 88 messages present at my site, only 4 of them
were of interest to PowerBook-owners: 2 about LCD screens, and 2 about the
RFD for c.s.m.pb.

There are in fact at least 4 main newsgroups for PowerBooks:
c.s.m.hardware, c.s.m.apps, c.s.m.system, and c.s.m.misc.

Mathew Englander
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ericadib@wam.umd.edu (Erica M. Dibietz)
Subject: deaf/hearing impaired
Keywords: deaf/hearing impaired;substance abuse
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:46:40 GMT

Hope I am sending this to the appropriate group..if not please
let me know how to do this correctly...many thanks.
I am trying to get connected with  researchers at Galludet
College. I am translating a substance abuse assessment tools for use 
with the deaf/hearing impaired population and need some
stats.as to WHY i should want to do this, i.e. how many
substances abusers have been identified as needing addiction services and 
how/why these services need to be different (deaf culture info.).
Would appreciate help on this and will gladly share the instrument
with counselors. 
Please e-mail: ericadib@wam.umd.edu
Many thanks

Erica Dibietz





Xref: sparky news.groups:26008 soc.culture.british:19148 soc.culture.celtic:8837 alt.politics.british:471 alt.comedy.british:3047 uk.transport:291 rec.arts.tv.uk:7477
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,alt.politics.british,alt.comedy.british,uk.transport,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: REPOST: RFD: soc.culture.british.minorities
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:23:22 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.tamu.edu
Originator: achin@math

We are now 15 days into our discussion period.  CFV will begin on
or about the 9th of February.


NEW GROUP PROPOSED:  soc.culture.british.minorities

STATUS:  unmoderated

CHARTER:  As Great Britain becomes increasingly multicultural, there
is an increasing need for discussion of race relations and the special
concerns of ethnic minorities.  This group is intended to be inclusive
of all perspectives and ethnicities (including the indigenous British)
and will serve as a forum for the examination of the condition and
identity of ethnic minorities in the UK, and the encouragement of
constructive social dialogue across cultural and racial boundaries.

The British USENET community, as a constituent of the "global village"
with a concentration in advanced industry and academia, has a particular
interest in multiculturalism and should find relevance in this newsgroup.
It should be noted that USENET groups exist for individual minority
groups in the United States (soc.culture.african.american,
soc.culture.asian.american), but minority issues in Britain are often
very different from those in America.  This proposal therefore should
be considered on its own merits rather than as a derivative of the
American approach.

If appropriate, a CFV will take place 30 days after the posting date
of this proposed newsgroup.

QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS are invited:  achin@dcs.kcl.ac.uk (Andrew Chin).

-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Call for discussion to form newsgroup soc.history.southasia
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:17:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1993Jan27.080557.11867@netcom.com> mohang@netcom.com (Mohan Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>
>                         Call for discussion on forming NewsGroup
>                         ----------------------------------------
>                                     -SOC.HISTORY.SOUTHASIA
>                                      ---------------------

You should try using soc.history for these discussions first. If there's
overwhelming traffic on South Asian history for several months, then
form a separate group.
-- 
Stephen Graham
graham@cs.washington.edu	 uw-beaver!june!graham
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bcf@pegasus.ch.adfa.oz.au (Ben Freasier)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
Keywords: miniatures figures ancients napoleonics renaissance naval
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:23:02 GMT

I would like to see the formation of the group rec.games.miniatures
for the reasons cited in the original proposal.


Ben Freasier
From: arakins@IASTATE.EDU (Brother Andrek of the Violet Orchid Brotherhood)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
Keywords: miniatures figures ancients napoleonics renaissance naval
Reply-To: arakins@IASTATE.EDU (Brother Andrek of the Violet Orchid Brotherhood)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:12:00 GMT

  A lot of people have been going back and forth about the
difference between Historical and Non-Historical (or Fantasy/Sci-Fi)
games. We heard arguements for and against these two groups being
placed in the same newsgroup.
  I would like to enter the discussion by casting my vote with them
being in the same group.
  It is true, to be sure, that these games have a lot of differences.
Their style of play, their "realism". But they have a lot in common:
   a) They are all Tabletop miniature rules.
   b) They are all designed to foster the creation of tactics and
      strategies...in their own theater of battle.
   c) They all rely on the creation/painting of miniatures and
      terrain.
   d) Many of their rules are similar..movement, morale, terrain, supply.

  I would point out that there are MANY different role-playing games
systems...and yet only one group for them Rec.Games.frp.misc. People of
Sci-Fi role-playing games may not like fantasy role-playing games....but
they have MUCH in common, so they share a group.
  I would recommend one group, and the enforcement of useful subject
lines so that effective Kill files can be made for those who do not
wish to view a certain subject. I know for a fact that even though I would
classify myself as a Fantasy/Sci-Fi gamer, I am interested in the tactics
oof historical games...and perhaps altering them to be effective in the
games I play.
  Finally, there are those who make the argument that fantasy/sci-fi 
gaming  is a "phase", and that eventually the players will "grow-up"
and enter the real world of historical gaming (I find that vaguely insulting,
but I won't go into that). If this is the case, it would make sense for
the two groups to get together, so that the "mature" historical gamers
can show the "immature" fantasy/sci-fi gamers what they are missing. 
(the last paragrapoh was intended to be SLIGHTLY sarcastic....:) )

  I welcome any further discussion about this, but I cast my vote
for a UNIFIED miniature group, all gaming styles.

  My $.02 worth...

-- Andy Akins
   aka Brother Andrek
   Iowa State University
   arakins@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: New RFD: Bible Study Newsgroup
Followup-To: news.groups
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:24:39 GMT

Are topics such as currently might appear in soc.culture.jewish expected
to move to this new group?  Or is the intention to be that a major focus will
be on the 'New Testament' ?  Is the designation of 'Christian' in the
doctrinal sense, the political sense, or in some other obscure sense?
That is to say, is this the discussion of the interpretation of the
various works in the frame work of the life styles of the disciples of Christ?

Perhaps the way to go in selecting a group name is to define what you want
to discuss via discussions and then call for submission of names based
on the results of the discussion.  Finally, pick the least offensive 5
names and have folk pick the name that they would prefer.
-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
From: hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: do not rename rec.skiing
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:41:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfNA40_00WB3BMeLgj
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I do not favor renaming rec.skiing to reflect a rec.outdoors hierarchy.
Keep trees simple and direct. There is no need for special classification
of all outdoor activities.
Lines: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:04:39 MST
From: gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: news.groups,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: RFD soc.religion.mormon -- PROPOSED CHARTER
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu
	<ANDRE.93Jan18134609@king.slc.mentorg.com>
	<1993Jan20.114437.62933@cc.usu.edu>
	<ANDRE.93Jan20161039@king.slc.mentorg.com>

andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:

>    >I don't know.  Maybe we are stuck with the chicken and the egg
>    >senario.  Care to propose a charter Andre' ?

> I suggest we try it un-moderated this time.

Good; a charter for an unmoderated group. Now if someone comes up with
a proposed charter for a moderated group, there'll be some basis to
decide if it should be moderated or not.

A hist: a moderated charter that puts certain subjects entirely off
limits is sure to go down in flames, as happened last time.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
From: welchg@cs.unc.edu (Gregory Welch)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Proposal for comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:49:57 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gabrieli.cs.unc.edu

I would *love* to see such a news group formed!  On several occassions I
have run into software problems that turned out to be problems only on the
Powerbooks, due to sleeping, awakening, etc.  It would be nice to have a
source of discussion/advice regarding such problems (& features, etc.)
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.startrek.reviews moderated
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:06:35 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1k4uk8INNnb3@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>As for me, the only thing about this I'm only slightly wary of is the 
>subject line requirements, and I can definitely live with those.  Keep the
>crossposting proviso in, pick a sane moderator, and you've got my vote.

The subject line requirements could be a real pain but I think the
benefits outweigh the trouble they would cause. The subject line rules out
lined the the current RFD seem more complex than necessary though.

The more I think about the crossposting proviso the more it seems vital
the the success of the group. If I already read .current and .misc why
read .reviews as well? I can deal with the volume in .current but I see no
reason not to create .reviews for people who don't have as much time to
kill.

Would it be appropriate to try and settle on a moderator so their name can
be attached to the next RFD?

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

                "Things tend to go better if you don't screw up."
                              - hades@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: wrolf@csfb1.uucp (Wrolf Courtney)
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Organization: First Boston Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:16:14 GMT

In article <1jvvolINNeq1@rodan.UU.NET> Tim Rigg <rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu> writes:
>                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
>
>.....................
>
>In addition, obvious outdoors.* groups should be moved to that
>hierarchy.  Specially, rec.hunting should be moved.  Other
>possibilities include
>
>.....................
>
>rec.scuba 
>
>.....................
>
>
>Please post any suggestions/comments to news.groups.  Email and posts
>to the original groups are not really considered in the evaluation
>process.
>
>tim

Please leave rec.scuba alone.  I do not see the benefit to classifying
recreational activities which have unambiguous names in to hierarchies
such as rec.outdoors.*.

Safe Diving


Wrolf Courtney               First Boston Corporation    My opinions are not
(212) 322-7017               Park Avenue Plaza           my employer's.
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From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Why lack of useful subdivision in rec.arts.books?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:18:08 GMT

Certain hierarchies of Usenet appear to be subdivided enough to address 
particular groups of users (the comp. series), yet others neglect this 
useful practice and overstuff users into a single group. Why do these groups 
lack branching? 

Rec.arts.books is a good example of an overactive group; if you're not on a 
large site and don't/can't read the group frequently, chances are that 
you'll miss material. Do the powers that be think that reading is an 
unfamiliar activity to most usenet users? The newsgroup could be divided 
into broad subject areas without risking losing readers; the more popular 
authors could undoubtably sustain groups of their own. What is the history 
or rationale behind the lack of useful heirarchy development?

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Summary: I support it.
Keywords: YES!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:13:57 GMT

I would support the creation of comp.sys.mac.powerbook, should it 
come to a vote.

Martin Dougiamas
--
Your eyes are weary from staring at the screen.  Your eyelids feel very heavy.
You feel very sleepy.  Watch the cursor.  Notice how restful it is to watch it
blink.  Close your eyes.  All the opinions stated above are yours.  You cannot
imagine why you ever felt otherwise.  When you awake, you will be irresistably
compelled to send all your money to: Martin Dougiamas, martin@cs.curtin.edu.au
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.outdoors.scuba - BAD IDEA
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:52:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:

>If rec.outdoors.fishing is the only rec.outdoors  group, why not have
>them change to rec.fishing.  It seems more logical to change the name of
>one group than to change the names of groups for backpacking, scuba,
>rock climbing, boating, scuba diving, etc.  IMHO, the .outdoors. is
>rather redundant anyway.  (I don't scuba dive indoors, and I doubt that
>the fishermen fish indoors either.)

I was thinking something along the same lines.  What other kind of skydiv-
ing is there, anyway, besides outdoor skydiving?

-- 
************************************************************************
*            Sarah Skovronsky     starfish@u.washington.edu            *
* "There's just no end to the fascinating things that are true."  --RB *
**********fnord!********furrfu!********hi-keeba!********meep!***********
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.flame
Subject: Re: What happened to Dave Hayes?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:20:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <8482@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
]
] Did Dave Hayes finally give up? I haven't seen anything from him in a while...
] (Note to Joel Furr: Don't even bother emailing me to tell me not to post about
] this. I'm not interested in anything you have to say until you can act civilly
] even to those with whom you disagree, a talent you seem to be singularly
] lacking.)

Rising to the occassion (unfortunately), Joel decided to shoot from the
lip again. No surprise..

In article <C15MtA.DAw@polaris.async.vt.edu>, jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
] 
] Attaboy, Zippy.  Give him a post to reply to.  We killed his threads off
] by not replying to anything he said and by the time Christmas was over, he
] was GONE.  Now, like the total cretin you are, you're trying to stir him
] up again.  Calling you a slope-browed Neanderthal may have been more of an
] insult to Neanderthals everywhere than I had previously imagined.

You know Joel, every time you open your yap and shoot it off again you
prove that Jay and many others are right in their assessment of your
behaviour. It's a shame you can't carry on a conversation without
resorting to name-calling and denigrating comments. 

But then again, at least you're predictable. 

As for whether or not Dave Hayes will be stirred up again, don't you
think your witty comeback might aid in that possibility? Maybe next
time you'll just hit the 'N' key and resist the temptation.

But I doubt it. 

-- 
 vogon1!compnect!frackit!dave@psuvax1.psu.edu            |  Dave Ratcliffe  |
 - or - ..uunet!wa3wbu!frackit!dave                      |  Sys. <*> Admin. |
                                                         | Harrisburg,  Pa. |
From: mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: do not rename rec.skiing
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:04:12 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <kfNA40_00WB3BMeLgj@andrew.cmu.edu> hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure) writes:
>
>I do not favor renaming rec.skiing to reflect a rec.outdoors hierarchy.
>Keep trees simple and direct. There is no need for special classification
>of all outdoor activities.

	Agreed! Redundant unless there is a rec.indoors.skiing ...
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jay@uacn.alaska.edu (Jay Beavers)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:00:50 GMT

George Dolbier (georged@sequent.com) wrote:
: This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of:
: comp.os.nt (unmoderated)

: PROBLEMS:
: ---------
: 	First problem: the name. comp.os.nt is short and to the point, 
: but maybe too short.  comp.os.windows-nt is too long, comp.os.windowsnt
: is too mushed, comp.os.ms-windows.nt IS NOT the correct location.
: Windows NT is not a subsystem of Microsoft Windows, it is separate
: and non equal to Microsoft Windows. This is a RFD for a reason,
: I'm way open to suggestions for a new name. If someone can convince
: me that comp.os.ms-windows.nt is appropriate, great.

I believe that in the documentation to the Win32 SDK under using the name
Microsoft Windows NT, it says not to refer to Windows NT as 'NT'.  I'd
propose one of two names:

comp.os.winnt
comp.os.ms-windows.nt

While it is very true that Windows NT is very different than Windows 3.1
in internal structure, Microsoft is positionning Windows NT as a followon
to the Dos/Windows combination.  To many, the major structural differences 
will not be that apparent.  As well, the similarities between Windows 3.1
and Windows NT (similar API, compatible software, same user interface)
do make it a distinct member of the ms-windows family.

While many may feel that putting Windows NT in the same group as Windows 3.1
is doing it a great disservice, I don't think that that is Microsoft's
intent at all.

: 	Third problem: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32. Here is a 
: group that already is discussing some topics relating to Windows. I
: obviously do not think this is sufficient.

If you follow the above train of thought and decide upon c.o.ms-w.nt, then
you'll probably also agree that this group makes sence too.  In addition,
the Win32S libraries will make Win32 available to the whole MS-Windows
family, not just WinNT.

Already, there's plenty of discussion of Windows networking to warrant the
consideration of another group.  For now, a lot of MS-Windows specific talk
is taking place on comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc.

--
Jay C. Beavers
jay@seaspray.uacn.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups