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From: Fabrizio Sebastiani <fabrizio@iei.pi.cnr.it>
Subject: Re: precipita aereo italiano in Bosnia
Organization: Italian National Council of Research
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In article <1992Sep5.011052.6133@riscsm.scripps.edu> Roberto Burioni,
rburioni@riscsm.scripps.edu writes:
>Non so se altri italiani in terra americana possano condividere questo
mio 
>sentimento, ma io ho la grandissima impressione che agli indigeni -
gente peraltro
>socievole - interessino molto di piu' le previsioni del tempo, i
risultati
>del baseball ed il contenuto in zuccheri dell'ultima coca-cola di ogni 
>sommovimento politico internazionale.

Non so da quanto tu manchi dall'Italia, caro Roberto, ma ti posso
assicurare che gli indigeni nostrani sono molto piu' interessati al
calcio NON SOLO di ogni sommovimento politico internazionale
(ovviamente), ma anche di ogni questione politica nazionale, comprese
quelle che risultano in un alleggerimento del portafogli di tutti.  Il
calcio ha raggiunto, in Italia, livelli DA VOMITO, e te lo dice uno che,
tutto sommato, un po' di partite alla televisione se le e' sempre
guardate.  Siamo al livello che le reti nazionali, in agosto, hanno
trasmesso in diretta partite amichevoli quali Bienne-Juventus (essendo il
Bienne la squadra dell'omonima cittadina svizzera, peraltro sconosciuta
ai piu'), Cosenza-Inter, e chi piu' ne ha piu' ne metta.  Ci sono state
settimane, in agosto, in cui OGNI SERA c'era in televisione almeno una
partita, ovviamente in diretta, di questo calibro; per non parlare di
quelle del Milan, di cui fra non molto daranno in diretta su Italia 1
pure le cene sociali.  E dopo un'estate del genere, cosa ci ritroviamo
adesso? Il campionato, alla cui prima giornata la "Repubblica" (giornale
che, alla sua nascita, ostentava come fatto di distinzione il fatto di
non contenere pagine sportive), ha dedicato un inserto speciale di otto
pagine otto.   La nobile trasmissione "Tutto il calcio minuto per minuto"
va ora in onda a reti unificate.  Scusatemi, ma c'e' qualcuno di voi che
con queste premesse ha ancora voglia di calcio?  Al confronto,
interessarsi delle previsioni del tempo mi sembra un segnale di vivacita'
culturale nient'affatto disprezzabile.
 
Fabrizio

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From: mr3prqe1@cine88.cineca.it (Massimo Manghi, Universita' di Parma, Italia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Lira svalutata del 7%
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:04:28 GMT
Organization: CINECA, Italian Interuniversity comp. centre

Il governo Amato ha annunciato ieri di avere chiesto ed ottenuto
al Comitato Monetario Europeo di riallineare la parita' all'interno
del sistema monetario europeo. La Lira viene svalutata del 3.5%
rispetto a tutte le altre monete che a loro volta vengono rivalutate
del 3.5%. La battaglia per la difesa della moneta italiana si
e' risolta con una sconfitta, dopo che la Banca d' Italia aveva
dato fondo alle proprie riserve nel tantativo di difendere il cambio
e dopo che la Bundesbank aveva riempito le proprie casse di Lire
italiane.

Se ci sono economisti in ascolto potrebbero darci la loro valutazione
sugli effetti che questo avra' sull' inflazione interna,
poiche' sui mezzi di comunicazione le prime valutazioni espresse in merito
sembrano piu' auspici che altro.

Altre considerazioni sulla disastrosa situazione finanziaria del
nostro scalcinato Paese sono benvenute.


 -- Massimo Manghi
-------------------------


   manghi@prfsio.cineca.it
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: Fabrizio Sebastiani <fabrizio@iei.pi.cnr.it>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations of Regional names
Organization: Italian National Council of Research
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In article <5378@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> Alan M Stanier,
alan@solb1.essex.ac.uk writes:
>Is there a standard for the abbreviation of the names of
>Italian Regions? If so, could someone e-mail me a copy, please?

You mean abbreviations like e.g. the ones of the US states (CA for
California, etc.)?  No, there are no abbreviations of this kind.  There
are abbreviations for the 90 or so towns that are district capitals (e.g.
FI for Florence, SI for Siena, etc.), but I wouldn't know where one could
find an electronic copy of the list.

Fabrizio

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Subject: Re: precipita aereo italiano in Bosnia
Reply-To: ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Organization: MRL - UIUC
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:35:00 GMT

In article <87984@netnews.upenn.edu>, dieugeni@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Barbara Di Eugenio) writes:
|>In article <19439@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) writes:
|>|> In article <1992Sep4.193054.1535@dxcern.cern.ch> zip@dxcern.cern.ch (Pietro Zanarini) writes:
|>|>    In article <1992Sep4.100011.447@cine88.cineca.it> michele@deis21.cineca.it (Michele Favalli)
|>writes:
|>|>    >E' precipitato (abbattuto ?) un G222 italiano che trasportava aiuti 
|>|>    >per Sarajevo. Elicotteri americani hanno tentato una missione di soc-
|>|>    >corso ma non sono potuti atterrare a causa di fuoco antiaereo.         
|>|>    .....
|>|> 
|>|>    A: Of course.  The net can reach people in as few as 3 to 5 days.
|>|>    It's the perfect way to inform people about such news events long
|>|>    after the broadcast networks have covered them.  As you are probably
|>|>    the only person to have heard the news on the radio, be sure to post
|>|>    as soon as you can.
|>|>    .....
|>|> 
|>|> ... I assume that the
|>|> selected quotation was intended by Pietro to point out that it is
|>|> considered somewhat dumb to post "hard news" stories to the net.
|>
|>Non sono d'accordo col commento di Pietro -- certe notizie non arrivano cosi'
|>in fretta negli USA, e specialmente per quelle riguardanti l'Italia, la net 
|>e' un'ottima fonte di informazione per me. 
|>
|>Barbara

Mi associo!
Purtroppo ci sono posti in cui le news della BBC non vengono diffuse, e la
copertura degli eventi europei da parte dei media statunitensi fa schifo.
Inoltre, e' spesso piu' attenta agli aspetti folkloristici. 
Quanto al tempo di propagazione dei messaggi, mi pare che tipicamente sia al piu' 
di qualche ora e non certo di giorni.
Dunque, SI' alla diffusione di news sul net!  
--
Furio Ercolessi
Materials Research Laboratory           |   Intl School for Advanced Studies
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   |   Trieste, Italy
furio@uiuc.edu                          |   furio@sissa.it
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Subject: Re: Per possesori Carta SI
Reply-To: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:02:37 GMT

In article <56020@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, karl@amleto.ico.olivetti.com (Carlo
Biasutto) writes:
[...]
>Mi e' capitato di fare due operazioni di addebito e 
>successivo ri-accredito per un consistente importo in 
>Dollari USA. Avevo due credit card: una emessa negli USA
>l'altra in Italia. Ho utilizzato la seconda...
>
>Surprise! mentre sulla colonna delle transazioni il
>risultato netto e' zero, sulla colonna finale le due
>operazioni vengono fatte con diversi tassi di cambio
>e il risultato netto e' a carico del titolare....

Nessuna sorpresa. Hai mai provato ad entrare in una banca, comprare (p.es.) dei
dollari, rivenderli e contare le lire ? E' pratica molto comune, ed e' uno dei
modi con cui le banche si guadagnano (quanto onestamente non spetta a me
giudicare) da vivere.
Inoltre e' noto che le transazioni in valuta con carte di credito vengono
calcolate nel giorno piu' SFAVOREVOLE del mese.
Ciao !
Luciano

-- 
Luciano Lavagno            luciano@ic.Berkeley.EDU            +1-510-642-5012
Dept. of EECS, 207-69 Cory Hall, Univ. of California, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: lohse@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Frank Lohse)
Subject: International PM - exchange wanted
Reply-To: lohse@rhrk.uni-kl.de
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:40:17 GMT

A friend of mine asked me to post the following into this newsgroup. The topic
says it all. He is looking for international mail exchange. Please send your
replies to the address below.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello everyone!

Since I find it a little bit difficult to get appropriate addresses thru
my local BBS, I'm looking for people from Italy interested in corresponding
with me by Internet by this means:

You should be a political sciences or law student (just as I am) and be
interested in exchanging views on current political affairs,
in English or Italian.

All other "arts" students would as well be welcome for correspondance.

Please address your E-mail to me at:

Markus_Schlegel@bn.maus.de

Hope to hear from you soon!
Markus
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Or "voice" me in Germany at
                            +49 228 677124
                                            for first info and contact
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Frank Lohse
University of Kaiserslautern
Germany
lohse@rhrk.uni-kl.de
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Menefreghismo
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:39:42 GMT
	<182t7iINNd4p@network.ucsd.edu> <Bu1LMF.Hyx@dei.unipd.it>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth


(Lucio Picci) scrive:

>grande scalpore ha suscitato la conversione musicale di Jovanotti. Lo
>sciagurato ha fatto uscire un disco rap, stile posse.

Una volta ho letto un graffito molto esplicito sul temna Jovanotti:

	Se ami Jovannotti: sparati.
	Se ami la musica: sparagli.

:-) :-).
--
Piercarlo Grandi                   | JNET: pcg@uk.ac.aber
Dept of CS, University of Wales    | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg
Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@aber.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: kidder@epas.utoronto.ca (Richard Kidder)
Subject: Request info on computer prices in Italy
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:46:08 GMT
Summary: Moving to Italy, need advice on buying equipment

Hello,
I'm sorry to change the general drift of the recent discussions to
such mundane matters, but I'm hoping that someone will be able to help
me out with making a couple of decisions related to buying computer
equipment in Italy.

I'll be starting a job in Salerno in November at the University, and I
don't plan on taking my tired old XT clone along. I fear that prices
in Italy are very high for computer related things, however. My friend
has told me that a HP Deskjet 500 goes in the Naples area for around
$ 900-950. Do the prices for Intel X86 desktop systems, at least in
the south, also go for about the double the price that one finds in
North America? I have long heard of Italian travelers to North America 
taking portable systems back with them to beat the price difference,
but does that go for all computer related equipment?

I imagine that some people must go to Germany to find clones and
Siemens-Nixdorf machines, and I have heard around here that Dell will
be opening a Superstore in Milan. Any chance someone could tell me how
best to manage if one doesn't have grant or corporation funding of
one's equipment purchases?

Finally, what are the regulations concerning the export of equipment
in terms of certification? I know that I can bring a modem from North
America, but if I do, do I break any Italian laws by using an
uncertified piece of equipment? At US Robotics I was told simply to
buy a modem in Italy: if I can afford it I may, but I may be there for 
just a year, and, well, that modem risks going to other uncertified
destinations later on. Nobody in any of the "international divisions"
of any of the modem manufacturers I have talked to have been able to
describe or even intelligently guess at the regulations that might
pertain to the plugging in of a modem to a private phone line, whereas
I have been told by friends here that it is not quite so simple, that
one must register the modem, etc. Is this the case?

I'm sorry to have bored you all with this, but I'm getting eager to
pack up and make my way to Campagna, so if any of you can make the
transition smoother, I'd be very glad to hear from you.

Thanks,
Richard

University of Toronto    kidder@epas.utoronto.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: chizzoni@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (alfredo chizzoni)
Subject: News su e da CUORE
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:40:02 GMT

Ciao a tutti, appena tornato a Milano qualche notiziola di sapore estivo.

Alla festa di Cuore (bellissima) ho saputo della presenza del "mitico"
Lucio Picci, purtroppo non l'ho visto, saluti comunque.

Il s.c.i.sta che mi ha informato della presenza di lucio Picci (non mi ricordo
il nome, comunque e' qui a Milano) e' stato visto allo stand GIOCHI PROIBITI
completamente ricoperto di argilla a tirare gavettoni con altri uomini fango
di simile aspetto, diciamoci tutto.

ultimo fatto notevole l'arrivo di Leoluca Orlando (super applaudito) purtroppo
accompagnato da una trentina di militi a vario titolo.

Un saluto a tutti i cuoristi e un arrivederci al prossimo anno.

							Alfredo
From: mrl@st-andrews.ac.uk (  Michael Ladomery)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Vorrei parlare con i amici italiani
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:54:48 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

In article <92256.155115AGRPA@ASUACAD.BITNET> AGRPA@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>======================================================================== 24
>
>Ciao!

>    Magari, volgio communicare con i dolci Italiani per reprendere la

Dipende da che tipo di dolci ti interessano. Le crostate sono poco
loquaci: suggerirei forse un panettone? La putizza ti parlerebbe in
dialetto; meglio lasciar perdere!
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 15:51:15 MST
From: <AGRPA@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject:    Vorrei parlare con i amici italiani

======================================================================== 24

Ciao!
    Ho studiato a Milano, Italia per circa un anno negli anni 1982-83.
Ho fatto un corso di Italiano per due messi, e  poi studiato Post
Graduate Course in Company Management a Scuola Superiore Enrico Mattei.
Per dieci anni non ho mai parlato in Italiano. Potete sentire che addesso
sto dimenticando la lingua totalmente. Ora penso che non posso parlare con
gli Italiani nel loro lingua.
    Magari, volgio communicare con i dolci Italiani per reprendere la
bellissima parte della mia vita. Ce' qualcuno che puo' autarmi recomprendere
la lingua, la cultura, la vita Italiana?
    Preferesco gli amici locali al Phoenix, solamente perche e' molto
facile a communicare personalmente. Pero, posso communicare con
personi da qualunque logo.
    Arrivaderci!!!!!

***************************************************************
From: gpasch@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (grete pasch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Tes de despedida de soltera?!
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:16:50 GMT
Reply-To: gpasch@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (grete pasch)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: gpasch@happy.cc.utexas.edu


En Guatemala se acostumbra dar varios "tes" de despedida de
soltera a la novia... el primero se hace luego de que se
anuncia formalmente el compromiso, y lo da la mama del
novio. 

Yo me case hace dos semanas (en Guate) y tuve varios de
estos tes - se junta un grupo de senoras, comen algo, y
le traen a una monton de regalos utiles para la casa. 

Me da curiosidad saber si acaso
existe algo similar en los demas
paises de Latinoamerica?

grete pasch (ahora "de" Arias...)

-- 

grete pasch ------- gpasch@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu --- gpasch@utxvm.bitnet ---
            ------- "To^ estudando pra' saber ignorar"  (Tom Ze') -------
From: romeu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jorgeluis Romeu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:04:22 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep11.224842.4070@cc.gatech.edu> hernan@pactech.gatech.edu (Hernan Astudillo R.) writes:
>In article <16946@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
>JAMAS lucho contra la dictadura de pinocho, sino que LE AYUDO.  Supongo que
>"olvidas" los lazos que unian a los grupos cubanos paramilitares con la
>policia secreta chilena; el ejemplo mas notorio fue el asesinato (con una
>bomba) en Washington D.C. de un chileno exiliado (ex-embajador Letelier).
>
>	Como tu bien dices, los exiliados de otros paises son bienvenidos si
>huyen de regimenes "totalitarios".  Si huyen de dictadores "autoritarios" (o
>sea, pro-bussines), entonces deben ser malos por huir del paraiso.  De hecho,
>los cubanos exiliados se comportan exactamente como los que mandan en Cuba:
>si quieren nuestro sabor de dictadura, perfecto; sino, que se jodan.
>
>--hernan
>
No se cuando Dios bajo del cielo y te dio ese dato pero se equivoco en ese
instante.

JRB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:30:37 GMT

 
        Hola Folks,
 
        Me llamo Gilberto y soy el co-chair de La Causa, el grupo Latino de
Amherst College. I am writing to tell people about a computer mailing list
which was started last semester to try to foster communication between Latino
students (as well as other interested people) across the country. The list has
been relatively successful and has over a hundred subscribers around the world.
        People have used it to share information about social/academic events
held on college campuses, scholarship and research opportunities for Latino/
Hispanic students, and current events connected to Latinos, both in the United 
States and in Latin America.
        The intended focus is on issues of concern to Latino students, but
anyone's input or participation is welcome. The membership is diverse and 
includes people of many different nationalities and occupations. Several members
have connections with other Latino organizations and computer networks and so
this list can give its membership access to a wide range of quick, reliable
information.
        If the list continues to grow, it has the potential to create a large
network of students accross the country and facilitate the progress of la raza.
Its strenth depends on an increasing membership who can take advantage of the
possibilities of electronic communication.  
 
        If you are interested in becoming a subscriber to this e-mailing list,
or if you have comments for thelist administrator,  all you have to do is send
a note to the following address:
 
        LATINO-L-REQUEST@AMHERST.EDU 
and say that you want to join.
 
        While you are subscribed, if you want to send a message to the entire 
membership of the list (like a piece of interesting news, a question you might 
have, an announcement that might benefit Latino students etc.) then write to:
 
        LATINO-L@AMHERST.EDU
 
        In case you are not interested, please forward this file to someone who
you think might want to participate; in that way, you can at least help the list
grow and develop.
 
Hasta Pronto
        -Gilberto       

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Nicaragua today
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:43:16 EST
 <1992Sep14.050823.19567@morrow.stanford.edu> <1992Sep14.205540.23451@vexcel.com>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.205540.23451@vexcel.com>, dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.050823.19567@morrow.stanford.edu> jabba@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) writes:
>>[Harel uncritically cites an old Oxfam report on self-reported improvements
>>in selected health and social indicators in Nicaragua]
>>
>>For a good, unbiased reality check see United Nations Development Programme,
>>  _Human Development Report 1990_, Oxford University Press, esp. pp 104- and
>>  appendices.
>>
>>But really, this is ancient history. I can't believe you people have been
>>arguing about this for months. We're nearing the close of 1992 and the most
>>recent source you've mentioned is a 1986 Chomsky tract based on others'
>>1980-84 research. In case you haven't noticed, neither Elliot Abrams nor the
>>sandinistas have been in power for some years. Could you consider devoting
>>some thought to current issues? For example:
> 
> True enough.  Allen's persistence (to put it politely) made it difficult
> to leave the earlier issues behind (Allen would probably refer to
> Harel's persistence).

	As indeed it is H*r*l clogging the network bandwidth with 7 year old
propaganda.  Allen simply asked for H*r*l's views on Sandanista crimes.  Of
course the response was hundreds of lines of denial, with nothing on the
crimes.

	So who is needlessly debating old news?

>>Jesse Helms has single-handedly witheld humanitarian aid from Nicaragua. The
>>  U.S. contribution to tsunami relief was a meager $25,000 from an embassy
>>  slush fund. In whose interest is it to deny humanitarian and disaster aid? 
> 
> Its interesting that if this type of actions continues, it could help the
> Sandinista's in the next election.  Many people believe that a major
> factor in the UNO victory was to end the war and get US aid, in other
> words, improve the economy (sounds familiar?).  If it doesn't improve
> because of these actions, UNO may have a hard time getting reelected.
> By the way, Helms is holding up the aid because he wants US property
> returned to the old owners.  I heard that Chamorro was pushing such
> a bill.  Have you heard anything about it?  With former contras
> complaining that _they_ haven't yet gotten land promised to them in
> the settlement, this could be a serioud issue.

	Actually the US government is witholding aid until Chamorro can prove
that it will not be wasted, like previous aid was.  They want to see real
progress in Nicaragua, not more political patronage.

Brett                                                      
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