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From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bring Back Instant Replay
Keywords: 49ers-Saints,Bad Calls, Suggestion
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:51:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6340@npri6.npri.com>, murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes...
> 
>>What is next in the ever-increasing need to introduce technology into
>>pro football?  A small probe in the pigskin, with sensors scanning the goal
>>line to see if the ball crossed the plane?  I think two referees with good
>>eyesight will do fine, thank you.  This isn't rocket science, it's football.
>>
>>v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
> 
>i don't know why you're dragging <rocket science> into this thread,
>but i infer from your tone of voice that you're trying to make the
>"hey, it's just a game" point.  au contraire!  many BILLIONS of dollars
>hang in the balance of some football games, not to mention the livelihoods
>of several hundred men and women.

	Billions of dollars weigh on the outcome of football games?  What are
you, a bookie?  ;)

> 
>if the ball has in fact crossed the goal line, then that team has in fact
>earned six points (and the chance for a seventh), whether or not it was
>discernable to human eyes.  _i_ think "two referees with good eyesight"
>will usually be sufficient, but not always.
> 

	Players get paid whether they cross the goal line or not.  Humans
play the game, humans should judge it.

>if technology can assist the referees in determining the truth, why not use it?
>neither humans nor machines are infallible, but the two working together
>certainly offer the best chance for accurate assessment of play.

	So crucify me for being a football 'purist'.  I never liked IR from
it's inception, and will never, never find any reason TO like it.

> 
>ok
>dpm

Jonny B.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Franchise Player???
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 30 SEP 92 15:43:04    

In article <1992Sep30.061138.9714@netcom.com>, xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes...

>In <Bv3HxM.B6w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
> 
>>If I were to start a franchise in the NFL and could have any player in the 
>>league I would want a type of player who can dominate a game offensively.
>>Such as the following:
> 
>>QB: Dan Marino
> 
>Not to downplay any of these fine players but the choice of Marino just
>underlines the fact that you can't win by offense alone.  IOW, there
>*is* no such thing as a "franchise" player.  You need at least two, e.g.
[Deletions]

Actually you really need 22.  Even if you have just one weakness, if 
the other team is set up to take advantage of that one weakness...

It's all just a matter of degree.  Some players can make more 
difference than others - there's no doubt about that.  The question 
really is what one player do you think could make the most difference 
assuming the lack of other quality players.  I say a great RB like (in 
no particular order) Thurman Thomas, Barry Sanders, or Emmitt Smith.  
They need blockers of course but unless the blocking is really crummy 
they'll get their yards.  This allows the offense to hold on to the 
ball keeping the other team from scoring and keeping your defense off 
the field.

JGH
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From: chance@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Jon Naumann)
Subject: Re: NFL Trade Deadline
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:48:14 GMT

derek@controls.ccd.harris.com (Derek Smith) writes:
: 
: 
: Does anybody know when this year's NFL trade deadline is ?
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: Derek R. Smith
: Software Systems Engineer
: Harris Controls
: Melbourne, FL

Oct. 15, 1992  per this morning's SF Chronicle ...
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Bring on the Mammals (was Bring on the FISH)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:10:23 GMT

In article:<BvAwz1.5rx@acsu.buffalo.edu>, SFRELIAS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>We in Buffalo waiting for Maimi to come in and show the nation how tuna fish
          are ^                 ^^^^^
>is made (A la Buffalo style).
 
>Anybody knows when was the last time Maimi won in Buffalo?
        know^                         ^^^^^
>I hope we have old peopel on the net.
                    ^^^^^^
 
>GO BILLS>

Evidently you don't have to have ever studied English grammer to be a Jills
fan. Nor do you have to know how to spell either. And I guess Biology wasn't
a part of his course load as well. Of course judging by most of the comments
made by Jills fans on the net this appears to be the norm rather than the
exception. d8~) added for the humor impaired.

On another note I doubt that the acquisition of Keith Jackson will have a
significant impact on the outcome of the upcoming game this time around. BUT
next time, in Miami, I feel that Keith Jackson will prove to be a major
headache for Marv and the Jills. I predict that the Dolphins may not win
the first go around with the Jills but they will undoubtedly win the second.

That's all for now I've got to catch a plane.......hey buddy hold up will ya
hey what do you have to do to catch a plane around here?...........

John T.
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From: smith@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (damon smith 283-4050)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:58:44 GMT

In article <2536@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep26.221757.24823@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
|> >(Oh, and the Lions whipped the
|> >Cowboys in the Playoffs, and the Redskins whipped them, so its safe to say the
|> >cowgirls would have gotten squished in the NFC champiomship)
|> 
|> HAHAHAHAHA . . . *whew* It's been a long time since I've seen anyone post
|> this sort of logic.  I had forgotten how funny it was to laugh at.
|> 
|> Hey, here's another one for you:  if you flip a coin ten times, and it
|> comes up heads every time, then on the eleventh flip, it is much, MUCH
|> more likely to come up tails!
|> 
|> Daniel Welch


Actually, on the eleventh flip there is still a 50/50 chance of the coin
coming up heads or tails.  It does not matter what has happened in the past.

dps
GO COWBOYS !!
From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: TEN BEST QUARTERBACK PERFORMANCES EVER!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:06:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

How horrendous this article this.  Try this for quite a stat.


10/21/90 Pittsburgh vs. Denver

Bubby Brister 21-28-353- 4 td 0 int

a 164.7 rating

where is that on this list??

Steelers win 34-17
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From: zentner@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (Martin Zentner)
Subject:  Monday night game (result ?)
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:36:06 GMT

Hi netballers,

here it is again. The usual question at the beginning of the week:

       Where is the result of the Monday night game ?????

Could someone please post it as soon as possible or send a direct email to  
me ?

Thanks in advance

   Martin 

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       zentner@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (NeXT-Mail welcome)
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: NFC Predictions for WK 4
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:37:05 GMT

In article <19vmlsINNqnt@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>
>Well, last week I was 3-1 in NFC Central games, so Ill give it a shot again
>this week:
>
>Pittsburgh (3-0) at Green Bay (1-2)
>	
>	Packers 17 Steelers 14
>
>Atlanta (1-2) at Chicago (1-2)
>
>	Falcons 28 Bears 10
>
>Tampa Bay (2-1) at Detroit (1-2)
>
>	Lions 24 Buccanears 3

NOT!!!!!!
>
>Minnesota (2-1) at Cincinnati (2-1)
>
>	Vikings 23 Bengals 14
>
>Well, there you have it, we'll have to see monday how I did.

.500
>
Ok, do you conceed now that you are underestimating the overall improve-
ment of this division?   And,  as a guy who has SEEN the Buccaneers this
season,  I don't know why you still totally disregard our football team.
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From: q2dt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Turner)
Subject: game lengths
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:04:06 GMT

	I know that the instant replay rule was not dumped in order to    
speed up games, but does anyone know if the average game length has 
dropped from last season, or is it about the same?

Chris Turner 
q2dt@unb.ca
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From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami is all hype....
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:40:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rfedkiw@crenshaw.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) says:

>A Miami loss this week would put the Doll fans in second..... 
>assuming this Buffalo team beats L.A.
>You better just worry about making the playoffs, especially since 
>you sucked in the first few games of the season.
But, we came back from behind to prove that we won't quit.  Buffalo just
rolls overs and dies when they get too far behind.  I seriously do not
see Miami losing to Atlanta.

Mike
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packer news
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 27 SEP 92 10:18:49    

Injuries: Don Majkowski, Sterling Sharpe, Matt Brock (knee), Jacke 
Harris (knee), and Harvey Salem (leg) are all questionable.

I'm surprized to see Majik listed as questionable.  I think that means 
there's a 50% chance he could be ready to play.  Depending on how the 
came goes Sharpe could play.  The injuries to Brock and Salem may be 
key depending on how the game goes.  

After completing the pass to Kitrik Taylor to win the game last week, 
Brett Favre ran across the field with this helmet in the air 
celebrating.  I guess he was still pretty high later in the week when 
practice started even though he played pretty crummy for the first 3 
quarters of the game.  Said Holmgren: "Particularly with my meeting 
with him (Tuesday) he was a little more subdued."

JGH

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: '72Dolphins/Steelers
Keywords: 1000 yard runners in a season(2 of them)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:38:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Aha!  There have been three times(at least) when a single team has had two
1000 yard runners the same season.  The last time was in 198_ when Mack and
Byner did it for Cleveland.  The first time was indeed Mercury and Csonka.
The other time was Blier and Harris for Pittsburgh.  So if that was one of your
criteria for picking Dolphins, Pittsburgh can't be THAT far behind them.  Also,
I don't know which year this was that they had the two 1000 yard runners, so
it might not be the "best" of the Steeler teams.  I've heard some say that the
1979 Steelers are the best of those 70's Steeler teams, but I would suppose
that a case might be made for others too, especially if it was in one of those 
other years that they had the 1000 yard runners.  Just to add to some
fuel to the fire :) and fan the debate even more, Pittsburgh linebackers from
that time included Jack Ham and Jack Lambert, who in addition to both being in
the Hall of Fame, are considered to be two of the finest LB's EVER.  In fact,
the trio of Ham, Lambert, and Andy Russell has been called the best trio ever
in the history of the NFL, by some.  Obviously, this is highly arguable.  I 
just wanted to mention this since, as has been opinted out, we will NEVER
know who was better, because we can't time-travel and all that scifi stuff.
I just felt I had to woof a little, that's all.   :)
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From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: To all Dolphin fans
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:59:55 GMT


Let me start by saying that I was in the Orange Bowl the night
Joe Auer ran the Dolphins very first kickoff return 
back for a touchdown.  I was then and have always been a
Dolphin fan. Okay... I'm an old shit :-)  Anyway.. on to my point.

Over the last year or so I have quietly watched
the posts that take place here in r.s.f.p.  I have
always been amused by the way people get so excited when
their team wins a big game and have been equally amazed by how fast
people kick their team when they loose a big game.  I have always attributed
it to those (insert derogatory remark here) fans of those other teams.

So....  We have a big game this weekend.  We win..  And guess what?
Dolphin fans have really let me down. They are doing the same thing!
My god people they won one game!  Yes, it was one of the biggest wins
in the last couple of years. Yes, Keith Jackson has made a good offense
better. Yes, the defense is improving. Yes, I'm excited as you, however,
they still have 12 to play.  How the hell can you even be talking about
going 16 and 0? They still have to play Atlanta, Buffalo, New Orleans,
San Francisco, Houston, Indy twice, and New York twice.  Maybe you all
were just kidding about 16 and 0?  Right???  I hope so! Lets calm down, 
see what happens over the next 12 weeks and hope for a Buffalo/Miami AFC    
championship game here in Miami this January!

Hey.  I want them to win as badly as you but the posts this morning
were a bit much.

BTW..  Tony...  I liked your new, special occasion, .sig

Ted
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: fumble out of bounds
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:39:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1443@niktow.canisius.edu> bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes:

>It goes to the spot of the fumble, either behind the line, at the line, or
>over the line.  If it is determined that you fumbled it on purpose, you are
>assessed a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the foul.  (i.e. Young's fumble
>out of bounds in the Bills - 49ers game).  I am not sure if you lose the down
>on that penalty.

This is mostly right.  You need to distinguish between an intentional
forward fumble (the infamous "Raiders' Rule"), and what is known as
batting, which is intentionally playing volleyball, whether or not
towards out of bounds, with a live ball.  The latter is what Steve Young
did.

And yes, the play does stand, and you don't get the down over.
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From: drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GIANTS blow another one
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:28:13 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <91744@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> 
> Well, at halftime it looked like the GIANTS were possibly on their way to
> their 2nd win of the year.  Simm was hot, the defense actually defended and
> Perry Williams (replacing Everson "here have a touchdown, it's on me" Walls)
> made some great saves. Score at haltime was 10-0.
> 
> The second half, the Raiders drive for a field goal.  Then on a third and 14,
> Mark Collins does his BEST impression of Everson Walls and trying to make 
> "the big play" gives the Raiders an easy touchdown (and to a guy coming off
> a hamstring injury).
> 
> Later, Collins gets burned again for an easy play to set up another Raiders
> field goal.  Finally, on the next GIANTS drive, when they are forced t punt,
> the Raiders get a penalty AND GIVE THE BALL BACK TO THEM. Bur Handley and Co.,
> must not like winning because when they get to the 30 (easy field goal range
> for Matt Bahr), and everyone (including the announcers) see a blitz coming,
> they call for a passing play. Offensive line (and they really were offensive)
> crumbles and Simms gets sacked for a loss of 19.  They give the game to you
> on a platter and the GIANTS did not want it.  
> 
> Well, seeing how poorly the Skins are doing, the GIANTS actually had a chance
> for a 9-7 season but at this rate ... 2-14 for the year (maybe they'll split
> Phoenix).  Ray will be jobless. Mark Collins SHOULD be jobless. Hell, fire
> them all. What a lazy bunch of underachievers ....
> 
> satish nair
> MARK COLLINS MUST GO!
> 


Oh come on now.  If Collins comes up with that, you would have 
called him the greatest back the Giants ever had.  What the Giants
need right now is someone to be a little aggressive, and that's 
exactly what he was doing.  If the same situation came up next
week I would hope he would do the same thing, go for the int.
Why not put some more blame on your offense.  You can't score
10 points and expect to win.  The Giants are old and sorry and 
until they start cleaning house, their going to stay that way.


	Bob
	Go Dallas !!
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers win o-n-e game
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:02:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.39033
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Organization: what.. me.. organized?



SEATTLE 6  CHARGERS 17


Finally!! A team SD could handle, at home. SD got all points
in the 1st half, and then shut down Seattle totally.

SD scored first on a long bomb to Miller who got 2 steps on 
his man, and the Safety was late getting there. They scored
again just before halftime, another pass from Humphries to 
Miller [replay showed it might have hit the ground].

Seattle was totally throttled. They lost Stoufer in the 1st half
to an injury, and McGwire was picked off 3 times. They never 
really threatened to score a TD. And Seau almost single handedly
shut down their running game.

Butts got hurt in the first half and didn't play for most of the
game. Bernstine did a great job at RB.

ObWoof: I picked SD to win this one by > 3.5 pts at Vegas. win!
        I picked the game total to go under 32 pts. win!

Next week is a bye.


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From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF)
Subject: Dallas at Philly
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:51:58 GMT

Well, Dallas was beaten badly - more badly that I had really expected.
Still, the game was closer than the score would indicate.  Some
observations:

- the Philly defense (if they play like they did last night) could
beat anyone, with the possible exception of a Washington or Miami.  I
wasn't too impressed with their safety play (though their cornerbacks
are much better than last year).  My point is the only team with a
chance to beat them would be one that could get receivers behind their
secondary and get them the ball.  Of course, Dallas will have figured
this out come November (I hope).

- that being said - didn't any of you Philly fans have a near heart
attack when Randall was sacked and limped off the field?  I would be
most concerned about his health - if he goes down, the Eagles are
finished.  The reason Walker does so well is that the linebackers are
back on their heels on every play.  The threat of the pass and Randall
scrambling is quite powerful.

- damn Bates, should've gotten out of K-Mart's way!  8-)

- I've seen a lot of talk on the net today that Aikman is not a
leader.  I disagree.  I think that Aikman and Irvin, more than anyone,
were too "strung up" for this game.  They were so excited and so
intent upon doing well that it actually disrupted their rhythm.  It
would seem that it's going to take a couple more of these games (and
thus, probably until next year) before this team completely gels.
Aikman did *not* play a bad second half.  I've never seen Cowboiy
receivers drop so many passes in my life.  And 2 of the 3
interceptions really weren't his fault (of course, he also shouldn't
get credit for Irvin's long catch, since it was thrown behind him).

- I was hoping that Waters would have been out for the year when he
got hurt; unfortunately, he was OK.  I don't mind hard, physical play
(ala Ronnie Lott), but Waters is out there to hurt people.  Period.

- Philly is definitely going to miss Mr. Jackson before it's all over
with.

- the game sucked.  It just wasn't exciting (of course, the huge
buildup may have psyched me out).  Well, I guess it probably didn't
suck so much if you are a Philly fan (right, Mr. Dakes?)

- it's funny how a 1-15 season lets you accept losing a game here and
there.  In the old days, I wouldn't be able to sleep if the Boys
lost.  Not any more (of course, I'm getting old, too).

Congrats to the Eagles for this one - they did exactly what they said
they were going to do.  If you are an Eagles fan, you might be worried
a bit about the offense, but the defense is more than enough to carry
them into the playoffs.  

For us Dallas fans - well, the Cowboys are still better than 90% of the
teams in the NFL, and will undoubtedly make the playoffs again.  It
may still be a couple of years before they are good enough to go all
the way, but who knows?


Mark
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 10:49:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Who is Greg Skrepanek playing for, and how is he doing?
Organization: work
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	Isn't Skrepanek that giant tackle the Raiders took on the 
	second round? 

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