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From: sanjiv@cse.unl.edu (Sanjiv K. Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:37:50 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu


Hey Farook:

Get a life.  This net is being read by civilized people andif you do not agree
with someone's viewpoint, just agree to disagree with it rather than flaming
with some language that you will not use in front of your immediate family.

Sanjiv
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Sanjiv K. Bhatia		Department of Mathematics & Computer Science
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voice: (314)-553-6520		8001 Natural Bridge Road
				St. Louis, MO 63121-4499
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: swami@tcs.com (Venkates Swaminathan)
Subject: Ayodhya & Babri Masjid - This is ridiculous!
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:51:35 GMT

Have people gone completely crazy, fighting over a temple built on the
supposed birthplace of a mythical God (don't tell me you believe Ram actually
lived, along with his menagerie of weird and supernatural animal friends)?

Maybe Babar was a nut, and built a mosque where he shouldn't have. So what?
How many years ago was it anyway? Let's get over it, folks. How many lives is
this worth? Would you die for this stupid temple or mosque? Would you kill your
best friend of the opposite religion?

Swami
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Let's Use Some Hindsight
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:49:05 GMT


In article <1992Dec20.234848.19354@beaver.cs.washington.edu> hasan@cs.washingto
n.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>Dear Mr. Baskar,
>
>Your research is commendable in the area of Muslim conquest of Sindh.
>I hope you did not have to lose any sleep in your dedication and zeal, which
>again is extraordinary.
>
>I cannot abide by your request for not to send a reply, as you have chosen the
>open internet system as forum, rather than sending a private mail message.
>
>However, I will also not take too many lines in doing that. Mr. Baskar, you
>provide Hindsight, which I see as Hind sight. Today, nations are led by
>governments which are non-religious, no matter how much the religious zealots
>scream, banter, and rave to the illeterate masses in the third world.
>
>Religious persecution, is not new to anyone. Christians persecuted Jews,
>the KKK and others like them, here still believe in that, Muslims persecuted
>Hindoos, Communists persecuted Christians, and the Hindoos (Brahmin vermin
>still persecute the harijans and other inferior hindoos as we speak in a 
>manner worse than the Nazis with an inverted sawastika). 
>
>Islam can only be spread from its quality of overpowering the heart and the
>soul of the masses. People who are forced to convert only go back to what
>ever they were doing, once the force/danger no longer exists.
>
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.
>
       Well, not in the case of islam. Tell me, is not it true that punish-
 ment for apostasy is death in Islam. ISLAM IS A ONE-WAY STREET. There is
 no coming back. Rushdie got death-sentence on this basis. It is so
 hypocritical of Islam. It spreads on conversions, but does not allow
 the reverse. Think what would have happened if other religions also
 punished conversion by death.

 Raja
 
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From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: ..... East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victo ....
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:22:15 GMT
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA

In article LFx@news.udel.edu, khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:

-+> .... As you can see from the sender's address the love
-+>child of Pakistan still believes in East Pakistan (!).  It is no wonder that
-+>a Pakistani bastard named Golam Azam heads Jamaat-e-Islam in Bangladesh,
-+>which is causing a lot of political turmoil. .....

-+...... we'll eliminate all jamati elements from our motherland.
-+>
-+>Smash all jamatis.`


Impressively pure thoughts.  But here's my question (to clear some of my ignorance)...


How come (as many people like U claim), a small bunch of people [i.e.,
the jamaat-e-islaami(?)]  is able to be so INFLUENCIAL in bangladesh
politics...?

To recall Ur posters, the jamaat and their supporters
are a miniscule minority in bangladesh : right?


Then wherefrom do they derive their power ?  Politicians ?


Or 

are there a lot of bangladeshi people, who are pro-jamaat.

(I feel Ur situation is identical to the secularists in india : U may have
lost touch with people's changing likes-dislikes : I am guessing, that's all)


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: divaka@vccsouth14.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: use of "ne" postfix
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:24:03 GMT
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <08N2VB1w165w@sytex.com>, jim@sytex.com (Jim Arnold) writes:
|> Hi all,
|> 
|> I lived 15 years in India, speak Hindustani, married an Indian girl.
|> 
|> We have an argument in our house on the use of "ne".
|> 
|> Can anyone shed light on the use of ne to replace ko as in:
|> us-ne ana hai  instead of us-ko ana hai
|> 
|> The former jars my ears, but I have a panjabi friend who
|> insists on using the former when he means the latter.
|> 
|> Is this a customary "apabhramsh" or is it really acceptable?
|> 
|> I hate it, because it simply confuses me.  Should I "retune" my
|> ears, or argue with the weight of this conference that it 
|> "just ain't so"?
|> 
|> thanks.
|> jim
|> 
|> ---
|> jim@sytex.com
|> Sytex Communications, Arlington VA (703) 358-9022 (8,n,1)
   How interesting to see this question after so many years!
Us Ne ana hai is a Punjabi usage. Such a usage is valid in Punjabi
but NOT in Hindi. It is a "Punjabi-ism," and definitely not an
apabhramsh. It is at best an inappropriate literal translation from
Punjabi.
        "Just aint so" is obviously not good enough, especially if
your Panjabi friend is bigger than you are!! Only kidding.
Here is the grammatical reason. Such a usage of
Ne is incorrect because "Ne" is used exclusively for the past tense and
the present perfect tense. "Ne" automatically implies accomplishment
of a task which is why it grates on your ears when it is incorrectly
used to describe something in the future i.e. something that has not yet
been accomplished. 
    In short, "Ne" CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT appear in conjunction with
the future tense. 
                       I will try to get my grammar book and post the
exact rule. In the mean time, you can also ask Urdu speakers about this.
They might have a grammar reference handy. 
                          Regards
                                                  ajay
p.s. My friend from Chandigarh tells me that Punjabi spoken
     with a Hindi accent and laced with "Hindi-isms" sounds truly atrocious to
     the native Punjabi ear. This is in case 
     you are contemplating retaliation!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Subject: History as such (Was Re: Sati's history)
Originator: ssd@shiva.psrc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:42:44 GMT


 > 
>   Hope your doubt is cleared in this respect. By the way, what were
> you taught
>  about the prevelance of sati n the pakistani history books? Just
> curious..
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> Narain (from a friends account....)
> narain@bass.bu.edu         
> 

Which brings up something I've been wanting to ask Pakistanis for a long
time. I guess what post-Independence history Indians and Pakistanis
learn would be quite different but what about the happenings of long
ago, say pre-1857. Could some Pakistani please enlighten me about this?
Thanx.

Srikant
ssd@apollo.psrc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (  Girish)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:18:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.223706.1725@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>[....]
>In any case, we shall wait and see to what extent OIC is willing
>to bankroll the US operation in Somalia. Not much is forthcoming
>until now, is it?
>
>Satya Prabhakar 

Today only, many Islamic countries condemned the
'U.S. invasion of Somalia'(in their terms).

--Girish.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Wormallic
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:38:20 GMT

> >>T'was once a guy named WORMA,
> >>Hate Moslems his only Karma,
> >>He called himself a Hindoo,
> >>And Cow-meat wasn't fundoo
> >>But ate all else without any Sharma
> >>
> >>bk
> >>
> >A hindu fanatic from DEC,
> >His country he sought to protect,
> >From the eaters of meat
> >And the sins they bequeath.
> >But his rantings have an impotent effect.
> >
> >Ed
>	
>	Worma is a total Jerkoo,
>	At Christians he is smirkoo,
>	Claims to be civilized,
>	But brain is undersized,
>	Has the mantality of a moronic Clerkoo!
>
>	FFT

Virendra is such a fanatic,
His responses are oft automatic.
When out in the street,
Intolerance to preach,
I hope he's not run down by traffic.

Ed


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From: sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:03:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec10.202832.119630@marshall.wvnet.edu> yea027@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
>was called for?  The distruction of life in Kashmir is called for?  I'm sick
>and tired of hearing about women being raped in Kashmir and Bosnia by
>non-Muslims.  I am sick and tired of crying everytime I hear about another

What ??? Would you be dancing with glee if they had been raped by Muslims ?
Get a life, man.  Kindness, evil,... are all personal traits. You don't
need a religion to preach these.

Muslims...Non-Muslims...?? Have we ceased being human beings anymore ??


>
>Let me quote something from that book,
>"God has made different religions to suit different aspirations, times, and
>countries.  All doctrines are only so many paths; but a paths i by no means God
>himself....Everyone should follow his own religion..."
>If this is what the Hindu believes, then what do Hindus think they are doing
>
>Mariam
>


God makes religion ??? No. Man makes them both.



--Sudarshan





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.latin-american
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Re: debate: WORLD POPULATION CRISIS!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:30:22 GMT

montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:

>        I don't buy this overcrowding thing. There's enough room in Texas
>alone to lodge the 5,000,000,000 people of this planet. Less than the area
>of the US would be required to feed us. Check alt.activism for more details.


Good, let them all go to Texas. Or perhaps even better, into Mr Hubert
J Montas's skull. There seems to be plenty of empty room there.
From: gupta_sn@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sandeep N Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Togetherhood: a nostalgic poem
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:33:04 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

Hi Netters,

    For those of you who are missing the hostel life, here is a poem
composed by a friend of mine, Vikas Bhatia ( iit bby, class of '92)
( all these details so that credit goes where it is due )
i like it very much and wanted to share it with you all...


                       TOGETHERHOOD
                       ------------
                                         -Vikas Bhatia     

Four lively years we spend together
All rules we bend together
Empty words we say together 
Norms of decency we flay together
Sit together, cack together
Worries of the world we lack together

	Mess grub we despise together
	Secretaries we criticize together
	Lectures we bunk together
	Courses we flunk together
	Eat together, talk together
	At tut-sheets we balk together

Chalks we throw together
Whistles we blow together
Home-grub we hog together
For end-sems, we slog together
Run together, fun together
Sadness we shun together

	Girls we ogle together
	Minds we bogle together
	Broken hearts we nurse together
	Our fate we curse together
	Crash together, hash together
	Smiles we flash together

Hostel teams we cheer together
Quizzes we fear together
Assignments we cog together
Evenings we jog together
Lose together, booze together
Confidence we ooze together

	Fun we seek together
	Secrets we leak together
	NBD's we get together
	Lack of babes, we regret together
	Dram together, J.A.M together
	Sickness we sham together

Pranks we scheme together
Future we dream together
Plans we weave together 
Success we achieve together
Mug together, hug together
Profs we bug together

	Sing together, dance together
	Hum together, prance together
	Oh! What a life we lead together
	How I wish this togetherhood lasts forever...



-Sandeep Gupta
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kavuri@lips.ecn.purdue.edu (Surya N Kavuri )
Subject: Is Gandhi a Messiah ?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:49:43 GMT

  
   Gandhi seems to have done as much to people as any of the Religious 
   messiahs/prophets.  All the Messiahs have somethings in common.
     * They all came at a time of trouble
     * They all took upon the cause of helping people
     * They knew the psychology of the masses
       - they knew how to get into the heads of the people 
     * They knew how to use the right symbolism to
       make a contact with the masses

     Jesus and Mohammad were at a time and place where 
     the best way they could communicate their ideas
     was through religion.  Gandhi, on the other hand, 
     came at a time when religion did not have that
     much control on the people - he chose the 
     symbolism that related to farmers who made the
     majority of the nation.  He dressed right for
     this and his spinning wheel ... 

     So can we call Gandhi a Messiah and start a religion
     named after him. We can make the religion a little
     more contemporary and cool !!? We could give them
     a Baggy uniform.  They may also look important in 
     the eyes of modern, trendy movements for the 
     environment and peace..



   SURYA KAVURI
From: smbukkap@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Satish Mohan S Bukkapatnamt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: tiruppaavai 3,4
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:23:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzHIMs.2tF
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


   
aazimazaikkanna onnuneekaikaravel
 aaziyul porkumugandukodaarteri
oozimudalvan oruvanpol meikaruttu
 paaziyantoludi parpanaabankiyyil
aazipolminnu valamburipolninradendu
 taazaade sarngamudaittasaramazaipol
vaaza ulaginil peididaai
 naangalum maargazi neeraada magizndelorempavai

maayanai maanu vadamadurai maindanai
 tooyaperuneer emunaituraivanai
aayarkulattinil toonrummanivilakkai
 taayaikudalvilakkam cheida damodaranai
tooyoomaivandunaam toomalartoovitozudu
 vaazinaal paadi manattinaal chindikka
poyapizhaiyum pugudaruvaanniinnanavum
 teeyinil toosaagum seppelorempaavai
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40982 soc.culture.pakistan:18259 soc.culture.bangladesh:6778
From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Dismissal of BJP ruled states and sparing BMAC from the list of banned parties
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:34:45 GMT

In article <19DEC92.12501062@sbnsld.physics.sunysb.edu> varma@sbnsld.physics.sunysb.edu writes:
>I think our dear Prime Minister by selectively banning a few fanatical parties
>and sparing the BMAC and then going a step further and dismissing the BJP Govt
>in the three states has ignited a time bomb which sooner or later is going to
>explode. I would say that it is a very myopic vision which prompted these
>people to do this. It is like locking the monster and wishing that it will
>disappear. I hope I am wrong and hope Allah forbids it but supressing the
>majority has never really helped. This appeasement policy of the Congress Govt
>has landed us in such a soup and as far as I can see it there is much more
>trouble ahead if the govt proceeds with such myopic vision as it has been
>doing for the last 45 years. What does PM think that if he dismisses these Govt
>they will not be able to get elected again whenever the next elections are held
>Infact he is doing the same for BJP as the Vice President of US of A did for
>a TV serial. They will come back with much larger numbers and then it is going
>to be much worse.
>The BJP was a constitutionally elected Govt and just to appease the Muslims
>without giving any thought to the consequences his future actions would have
>the congress party has again made a mess. By shelving the problem they are
>making things worse for our country. It is a very hopeless situation and I
>sincerely do not see any light at the end of a dark tunnel. At times like this
>one remembers a leader like Gandhi. All said and done that man had one great
>quality. He knew how to take the majority along with him. I wish we could
>have someone like him with a vision to take us out of this mess.


A law has no value if it is not implemented.  GOI decided to ban the
RSS, if the state chief ministers decided not to give up their RSS
membership, what other choice did PVNR have?  I think the BJP has
lost the support it had, they have realized this and are trying to
salvage their loss.  After all they have unconditionally apologized
for the destruction of the Babri Masjid in the Rajya Sabha.

Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: Re: Caste system - we have to destroy it
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:43:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.064907.9679@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp> f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:
>Caste system - we have to destroy it
>

Yeah !  Nuke reservations.....

-- 
Bapcha - A very bad boy from Cypress Semiconductor
3901 N.  First Strasse
San Jose,  CA 95134, 408-943-2719
From: shamik@cs.umd.edu (Shamik Sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Of temples
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:50:44 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Of Temples 
~~~~~~~~~~~~

You know how you get
these sudden urges -
to sneak up on your 
kid brother and smack
him -
And then run away 
before he gets
his hit back. 

I hit him on the temple
that time - 
I don't know why he
took it so personally -
he wasn't using it or anything..

And he chased me all over the place,
and when I offered to let
him punch my arm, he said
no - he had to smack me
on my temple too..

And so we ran all over the place,
upsetting the flower pots,
and trodding on the puppy;
we stopped when I ran into
a shut door and hurt my 
forehead real bad.

My mother scolded both,
though I still feel,
t'was his fault for not
accepting my offer ...
But he was always so stubborn.
Kid brothers always are, 
aren't they ?

-shamik


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Hyderabadi muslims, secularism etc.,
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:15:25 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I agree completely with the last paragraph of Narain's post
that the more the reports of mosques in India hoisting 
Pakistani flags, the more distrust of the Muslims by the
Hindus. The more cheering of India's failures by the
Muslims, the more the popularity of BJP, VHP etc. and
this is rightly so.

Please expect the support of the Pro-Hindu parties to
grow in India as long as the Cong-(I) supports
Muslims , mnany of them who are *symathetic* to Pakistan
and openly show it off.  Believe me, and I have seen
these pro-Pakistani celebrations during my 2 year stint
at Ahmedabad........:
 It is one of the most blood boiling incidents
one ever sees, if one *truly* feels for his motherland India.
And because of these incidents the Muslims have lost
much of the good will of the Hindu population of Ahmedabad.
Of this u can confirm with anybody who lives there.

Sivaram Hariharan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: To be or not to be - ashamed
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.180506.29677@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.210808.27358@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
> >
> >You ought to feel ashamed about it because you as a Hindu failed to
> >do anything to prevent such events from happening. You ought to
> >be ashamed because you disown reposibility to stand up for a fellow
> >Hindu in trouble elsewhere outside India. You ought to be ashamed for not
> >doing anything to prevent such incidences from occuring against Hindus
> >in future.
> >
> 
> 
> Come on, Alok! Am I my brother's keeper?? 
> 

If that is the way you think, then you shouldn't be a Muslim's keeper
either. They can take care of themselves too.

Listen Rakesh, you missed the context in which all these shames were
thrown upon each other. So relax, take it easy, nobody is asking you
to take care of the mankind.


Alok


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.canada
From: todd@athena.elcom.nitech.ac.jp (Todd Law)
Subject: Re: RELIGION:  The Opiate of False Believers
Reply-To: todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp
Organization: Nagoya Institute of Technology, Nagoya ,Japan.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:59:12 GMT


In article <Bz3sEs.8CJ@cs.dal.ca> kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:

>As I see it, religion is an artificial spirituality created by man 
>to gain control over man.

I thought that was the role of spectator sports!

Todd Law
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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Date: 14 Dec 1992 09:55:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Satya Prabhakar writes:
 > Now, my question is this: What the hell happened to the technology.
 > Did we lose the bloody blueprints? Just imagine how much effort, 
	[deleted]
 >for bumping passengers again. Wish the BJP/VHP would channel their
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >resources to digging out the blueprints since we can still use 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >parts of this technology, e.g., load-based dynamic extensibility.]
 >
 >Satya Prabhakar


	Whaddya think Rev. Indra Worma is doing here in USA?? :)

	FFT