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From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: CLAO Aug. 17 1992
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:45:57 GMT

Hi Fellow Netters

Do you still think that the elections are a Muslim Christian issue ?

IMHO, I think it is based on "Maslaha" if the guy (who is supposed 
to be a leader) deals with outside forces that favor the election, he
will favor it. If his master does not then he will not. 
Also those who are against the elections (like Saeeb Salam) in my opinion
are afraid that under those circumstances they will not be able (or his
son will not be able) to make it to parliament and that's why they are
opposing it.

If it comes to me, whether there are any or no outside force I will not
vote for a DEPUTY who left the country and lives in France for (how many
years ? 10 ?). He does not represent me, he may represent the opinion of
those who live near him in France. For me MY DEPUTY should at least see,
if not feel, what I am going through for him to be able to cast a vote in
favor or against something crucial to me.
Instead those "self exiled" dputies are taking our money and spending it
outside. Then when workers want to increase their wages, he will not even
come to discuss it and workers will starve. But when it is time for increasing
his salary he wil be there regardless of political situations.

Another Question:
Are the elections going to be biased only when the Syrians are in Beirut ?
According to the opposition they are demanding Syrian withdrawal from Beirut
for holding the elections. Well what about the same Syrian presence outside
Beirut ? Why is it O.K. for Syrians outside Beirut but not inside it ? What
about the presence of Israelis in the south ?

The above questions proove that the honesty of the elections is not the issue 
here. The issue is rather that masters of our leaders are still very much in
control and are playing with them as "puppets". The only victim here is the
people who are starving with the skyroketting Lira.

rached
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Mother of all battles (was Re: Re:)
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:57:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug19.013051.4699@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:

>2. Killing in the name of Allah for Muslims can only be done in the battle, in war, or 
>   when a Muslim commits a sin that ALLAH has put its punishment killing.
>   The Human being is a very respected being in Islam whether he.she is a Muslim or not.

Hmmmm. Killing in the name of Allah sounds oxymoronic....

>Another point for you to think about is this:
>non-muslim minorities were persecuted only when the leaders were corrupt. In fact those leaders
>inflicted more damage on Muslims than on non-muslims in their time.
>If you want I can dig up for you examples of minorities flourishing under Islam and how
>Islam treats Muslims and NON-MUSLIM citizens of the Islamic state as equal in human rights.

I think it was more economic. The Arab/Islamic invaders did not know how to 
farm the land. Good fighters but poor agriculturists :-)
(At least according to a talk given at Columbia University)

I am not sure about that human rights issue. Seems to me that human rights 
in the middle east is another oxymoron.

>To make it more clear it is as if a man comes and unites all the arab countries (which
>are mutually at war nowadays) and then converts the newly emerging state into a superpower
>that defeats all superpowers existing now. Don't you call this unification ?

Ok so is this what Moslems are after ? Some kind of a religious based
world war ? (The mother of all battles :-)) 
Strange, I wonder why my Moslem friends don't think like you ? Hmmm.
I guess they must have been hanging around Christians for too long :-) (The 
Prophet warned about that!)
Oh wait, you are talking hypothetically, I am sorry, I misread you :-)

Regards, Elie.

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From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: Chritians, Muslems, and M.G
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:16:55 GMT

Diego A. Maradona (fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu) wrote:
: [BS]

Please, don't start the "my religion is better than yours" war again. It will
only show how unreasonable and ignorant one can get.

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Chritians, Muslems, and M.G
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.025724.2641@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>This is primarily aimed at that creature by the initial M.G.
>
>To begin, Christains lived in the middle east six hundred years before Islam begun. In
>case you did not know, most of the generals that lead the armies of Mohammed were
>Christains who were hired by the prophet and his associates. Later on they were forced
>to convert to Islam or face death by the sword like every one else.
>
>Christains DO NOT LOOK TO FRANCE OR ANY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY AS THEIR MOTHER COUNTRY.
>It is only through desparity that they have any feelings toward the west. They have
>been alienated by the present political climate from beeing involved directly and do no
>have control over their destiny. Islam has never and will never lead to unification
>(sorry to disappoint you). People will unify when they have common goals and agendas,
>not because they beleive in the same god and religion. You happen to live in a unified
>country and I perceive that you are Muslim like many other people living in the UK.
>
>The christains consider the Middle East as their home, as I do. To be honest with you,
>if the christains were in political control, the Middle East will be in its GLORY.
>People will not be treated as political "hotdogs" by western powers and Isreal.
>Civilisation will be very technically and socially advanced as these people have proven
>in the past. Look at the Assyrians and Babylonians in your back yard, look at the
>Pheonicians, look at the syrians in the north (Haleb, Ebla, etc), look at aramaic
>people of damascus. They have built great civilisations that western powers are still
>relying on to this day.
>
>To summarise your education lesson, christains are not to blame for the present
>problems in the Middle East and did not spoil your effort to unify under Islam. I
>beleive Islam or any religion with the exception of Judiasm is incapable of unifying
>people. This is exactly how Jews meant it to be when they created Christianity and
>Islam. You should read the epics of Gilgamish a famous Assyrian, study the recent
>findings in the ancient city of Ebla in northern Syria, and read the codes of Hammurabi.
>
>A.Faris


I am glad to see that this idiot is getting on someone else's nerves. He speaks for 
himself and only himself and not for Islam. His views doesnot in anyway represent
the views of the majority of Islam, so don't listen to him.
-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
From: ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: (Top Ten songs ...) Was : Re: Fairouz
Date: 17 Aug 92 04:44:45 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide

In <1992Aug12.141113.5724@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@ulrik.uio.no
(Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

>In article <1992Aug11.040145.5867@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>
>ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun) writes:

>some of her songs are:
>>
>>"Ya Beirut"
>>"@am Beh'lamak Ya H'elm Ya Lebnan"
>>"Raje@ Raje@ Yet@ammar Raje@ Lebnan" (music my Zaki Nassif)

>does anyone have the words to these songs? or a cassett?

[...]

[I tried, during the weekend, to listen carefully to a (well
used!) tape of "Mehrajan Jarash" (Jordan), where Majida
performed some of her most beautiful songs. Here is my
account of one song. As my ear is not very "musical", there
is a bit of uncertainty in some words. Any one is more than
welcome to introduce corrections. Also, if someone has a
problem with the way words are romanised, please let me
know. I am still confused on what romanisation scheme to
use. Hope you will all enjoy the words.]

           Raje@            Raje@           Yet@ammar

                 Performed by: Majidal- Roomy
                 Music by: Zaki Nassif
                 Words by: ? (perhaps Maroon Karam)

Refrain:
raje@ raje@ yet@ammar                   raje@ Lebnan
raje@ meth'alli w-a'khDar               aktar ma kan
hala yaba w-hala yaba                   raje@ Lebnan (2)
hala yaba w-hala yaba                   raje@ Lebnan (2)

(1)
ya znoodel- lebnaniyi                   shiddee ma@na (2)
@addabki  w-@alghinniyi                 rja@na rja@na (2)
nih'na  Saffayna- nniyi                 w-Allah ma@na
dabketna insaniyi                       w-@awnet ekhwan
hala yaba w-hala yaba                   raje@ Lebnan  (2)

(2)
dabketna @awnet  ekhwi                  Sura  w-maDmoon* (2)
Suretna himmi w-nakhwi                  tfarreh' le@yoon (2)
fiha  l'bassmi  l'betDawi               albel- maghboon
bi@yoonil- wa@di b'ouwwi                triddil- @idwan
hala yaba w-hala yaba                   raje@ Lebnan     (2)

(3)
rje@na -ssa@ed bi -ssa@ed               mashbooke mneeh' (2)
wi msheena mashyet mared                yeDhak le-rreeh' (2)
ghalletna l -karmel -wa@ed              wa@de tlaweeh'
ybasher biSSayfel -wared                mawsem h'erzan
hala yaba w-hala yaba                   raje@ Lebnan     (2)




[* When i initially heard this verse, i believed it to be:
"dabketna @awnet ekhwi                   boona w-ma'zoon"
meaning: our "helping hand" is one of (or between) brothers: a
father (priest) and a ma'zoon (Muslim religious (authorised) leader).
Far from having a poetic gift, i prefer my own initial version!  :-) ]
George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ham@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Peter R. Ham)
Subject: Re: Anyone read Samarakand? By Amin Maalouf
Organization: /u/ham/.organization
	<Aug20.214354.16180@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1992Aug21.132616.27504@watson.ibm.com>
Distribution: soc
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:08:34

The English translation is titled "Samarkand" published by
Interlink Publishing Group Inc, 1991.
ISBN:0-7043-2741-4

Another English title is Leo Africanus, translated by Peter Slugett
New York: Norton, c1989

I don't know anything about Omar Khayyam or Uzbek.

I'd appreciate a short description.

Peter
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From: hani@gilasun.engin.umich.edu (Hani Nassif)
Subject: Re: Chritians, Muslems, and M.G
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:50:18 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@gilasun.engin.umich.edu


In article <2A8FF7D1.22681@ics.uci.edu>, fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
[.....]
> I TOLD YOU ONLY PRETEND FAMILARITY WITH HISTORY.  WAR DAHIS WAL GHABRAA WAS
> BEFORE ISLAM.  IT WAS WHEN KURREISH HAD ALL THE POWER.  IT WAS WHEN THE POET
> TARAFA IBN-ALABD WAS ALIVE AND THIS WAS WAY BEFORE ISLAM.  WAR DAHIS WAL
> GHABRAA WAS  WHEN THEY USED TO WRITE POEMS ON THE WALL IN EL-KAABA.  THIS WAS
> WAY BEFORE ISLAM.  WAR DAHIS WAL GHABRAA WAS WHEN PEOPLE USED TO GO TO

The tone of your posting does not only reflect the stupidity of this argument,
but how sad you are...this applies to whoever continues the thread of this
stupid argument..(especially with caps locked)...get civilized will you.
-Hani
 
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Kataeb party to boycott elections even after Syrian assurances.
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:23:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

|>        Khaddam emphasized that Syria ``has no ambitions whatsoever in
|> Lebanon and is rather seeking to prove that honest and free elections
|> can take place with Syrian presence.''

Just like the Syrian elections :-)... 99.99% Assad.
Everyone is so happy that there is no opposition :-)

Elie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: Corruption in Lebanon
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:26:02 GMT

Elie Dib Wardini (eliedw@ulrik.uio.no) wrote:
: 
: I got disgusted with the whole thing, and thought how could we work against
: such corruption as citizens?
: 

Here are some more questions: Is it possible to live in Lebanon without 
directly or indirectly contributing to the corruption? Can one, ten, or
a hundred people change the corrupt system? What do you do if the only way
to get (a phone line, a birth certificate, a car registration, an electric
meter) is to bribe some low-level or high-level employee? What would you
do about it? Whom would you sue? Is this ever going to change with 3000 LL for
a USD? What percentage of the government employees accept bribes? Is this
corruption considered "normal behavior" in thirld-world countries? Why is it
that the word 'wasta' does not translate into english?

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: CLAO Aug. 17 1992
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:44:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Aug19.134413.8171
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.



From CLAO Aug. 17 1992
----------------------

Ex-premier Saeb Salam, one of Lebanon's most prominent Moslem politicians
who is close to Saudi Arabia, publicly demanded yesterday the postponement 
of elections. In a statement from Geneva, Mr. Salam said that he is concerned
about Lebanon's fate should the elections be imposed and held in 
accordance with "a lame electoral law" It is unacceptable that anyone
should think about "repressing" the opposition, as some Hrawi officials
have suggested. He added that Lebanon's Moslem community still
experienced some deprivation and subjugation, and did not want the
Christians to have the same feeling of deprivation or to feel wronged.
Mr. Salam also said that it is not Lebanon's Moslems who are pursuing the 
elections plan. The responsibility lies with "the responsible, or 
irresponsible, rulers" in the Hrawi regime.

Lebanese newspapers wrote that Rafik Hariri has been lobbying Syrian
leaders for a postponement of the poll, and that former premier Salim
Hoss and Tammam Salam, son of Saeb Salam, might withdraw their candidacies
in 48 hours.

Pressure on the Hrawi regime to put off elections is also coming from 
within with five politicians haning Elias Hrawi a petition on Sunday
to have the elections postponed saying that "the measures accompanying
the electoral operations threaten national unity...".

Press reports indicate that Fares Boueiz, Nassib Lahoud, Fuad Saad, 
Pierre Helou, and Auguste Bakhos will withdraw their candidacies by
Wednesday if the Hrawi regime did not suspend the elections. Al-Hayat 
also reports that candidates Henry Lahoud and Tanios Saad Rahmeh announced 
they were withdrawing from the electoral race after visits to Bkirki.

As-Safir also quoted sources close to George Saadeh that he may quit
the Solh Cabinet if the elections were not postponed.

Al-Nahar publisher Ghassan Tueini said that the Hrawi regime should
"have the courage to respond to the voice of the people" and accept
the resignation of the Rashid Solh cabinet and promptly replace it with
a government that would be more like a "salvation committee".

Finally, Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir said in his Sunday sermon that
the proposed elections remained the main concern in "political circles"
at a time when the people were suffering from poverty and hunger as a result of
the collapse of the nationa currency.
He added: "Those who sell themselves and their homeland are doomed to 
slavery. THe Lebanese have proven throughout their long history
that they are free men. (Lebanese) voters are aware of their national
responsibilities and do not give their votes when they are called upon
to cast them in circumstances favoring candidates who accept to be
false witness to the likely bargaining, repression of freedoms, overlooking
of human rights and imposition of the law of force."

 
 
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From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: ARABIISIM AND ISLAM
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:10:06 GMT

In article <12596.9208171525@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:
>From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>Subject: Glories of our nations
>Message-ID: <3814@keele.keele.ac.uk>
>Date: 17 Aug 92 11:54:12 GMT
>Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>Organization: University of Keele, England
>Lines: 88
>
>A.Jaber writes:
>	
>       >Yes there was past glories for our old nations in the Mideat
>       >and one of them was under Islamic rule. This does not mean that
>	>Islam have the solution. It is the people who carry Islam or any
>	>other religion who make the difference.
>
>
>A Jaber
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>We will never return back to our GLORIES and NEVER BE A POWERFUL NATION
>AS LONG AS there are scums like you who beleive in ARABISIM and beleive 
>that a butcher like Saddam or a scum like Aflag is their GOD.
>The reason for all the POVERTY AND SUFFERINGS IN OUR COUNTRIES 
>is because the people who rule us are not TRUE MOSLEMS in fact 
>most of them are christians or jews claim to be christians.
>Tariq Aziz who is practically rules Iraq is a good example
>and many more who use ARABISIM and NATIONALISIM to destroy our 
>Country and  our values.
>
>I remember the SCUM Tariq Aziz issue a decree that it is illegal 
>to wear HIJAB at the school and the Universities and I know many
>sisters in their final year left the University because of this decree.
>
>
>
>M.G.
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
>

I am starting to miss my friend el-GHani and what was his name from England?


elie wardini
From: choueiry@liasun1.epfl.ch (Berthe Y. Choueiry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Postcard from Nahribrahim on liasun3.epfl.ch (GIF)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:13:04 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Aug13.163947.11116@ulrik.uio.no>, eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
|> of course, us Mac users have a much easier task!
|> 
|> we launch a program, e.g. MacIP, or even better: Fetcher and we ask the program
|> to (FTP) connect us to a server. we include the address or better IP number of
|> the server, write that we log in as anonymous and press return!
[lots deleted]

you can install Ftptool on a Unix box to get similar functionalities. You can
even get extended ones using xarchie/archie etc... 

|> One other problem that I encoutered was that when I logged in to the server
|> with the address, it did not work, but when I used the IP number it worked.
[lots deleted]
|> 
|> elie
This is a configuration problem at *your* site that has to do with resolving
domain names. please report to your system/network admin. Thank you for recalling
the IP number of liasun3.epfl.ch: too often I forget to mention it.

Cheers,
-- 
Berthe Y. Choueiry

choueiry@lia.di.epfl.ch
LIA, CM1-618 (MA), DI, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Ecublens
CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland
Voice: +41-21- 693 52 77			 Fax:   +41-21- 693 52 25
From: krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: test
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:15:03 GMT
Reply-To: krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


just testing
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Bigots and Bigotry has no place on Arab Land.!!
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:28:20 GMT

In article <3827@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:

etc. etc.

>	Those who are opposed to Arabic do it from the Option of hate
>	and only hate for Arabic and the Arabs. All this anti-Arabist
>	voices are coming from people who do not belong to the Arabic
>	culture and way of life. If they like to opt out of our life we
>	have no objection. They can go away and form their religion.

are all that are opposed to Arabisation anti-Arabists? or Arab-haters?

where should they go?

>	The haters of Arabism are bigoted people because they are
>	opposed to the idea of giving equality to non-Muslim Arabs i.e
>	Arab Christians. We the Muslim Arabs are determined to have
>	Equality with our fellow Arab Christians what ever the porice
>	is.

even if the cost is to do away with some Islamic principles?

do you strive for equality with non-Arab Muslims?

do you strive for equality with non-Arab-non-Muslims?

>We the Muslim Arabs are not going to be like the Serbs or
>	the Spanish or the Germans.

>	People like this Bigot MG at Cardiff is spreading hate against 
>	Arabs and Sunni Muslims and then attacks Arab Christians, I
>	tell you this Guy and his likes has no place among us period.

Where is Arab land? tell me which land is Arab? how you can tell the difference
between Arab land and non-Arab land?

>>zafar
>
>A Jaber
>

elie wardini
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Who killed will be Killed
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:30:39 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
>
>I was away for a week, but I can nothelp but remind A Javer that he was
>appointed minster of "Affairs concerning refugees" (a good choice don't you
>think?) and was appointed member of parliament!

	I do not have to be a minister for refugees since most of my
	family and friends are refugees.

	Just a liguistic remind please. People do not get appointed to
	jobs they earn those jobs on merit. Above all people do not get
	appointed to Parliament they get elected. I thought Norway has 
	influenced your thinking to move beyond earning jobs and
	political posts by votes and not appointments.

>what about that?
>
>guess who appointed him?
>
>PS. you have three guesses!
>
>elie wardini


A Jaber