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From: winstonc@aludra.usc.edu (|)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 16 Apr 1992 16:32:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Gary Blickhan writes:
 
GB> David Tate writes:

DT>	Dan Quisenberry, 1981-1985
DT>I don't see any of those as being better than Eckersley's 1987-1991.

GB>
GB >I'd take Dan Quisenberry any day over Dennis Eckersley. Period.  
GB >I don't care what your numbers are (wherever you got them).

Oooh, the killer logic. I'll take Gary Blickhan's arguments over
David Tate's arguments any minute of the day. Period. I don't care
what those arguments are (whoever thought them up).

The guy's also managed to insult just about every respected writer
on the net--all in the name of recreation. Maybe we should just put
him in our kill files, eh?

-- 
Winston Chang		    "Truth is beauty, beauty truth;
winstonc@aludra.usc.edu	     That is all ye know on earth,
			     And all ye need to know."
From: ewk@shark.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Worst Record for a Best Team in ML (was: '92 Predictions...)
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:16:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr8.021627.21268
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

In <167C2EE5B.CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.000629.29723@panix.com>
>spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> 
>>
>>One person's predictions:
>>
>>Toronto 90-72
>>
>>Chic 93-69 Few weaknesses
> 
>>NY 88-74 Finally get a bit of good luck instead of bad luck
>>
>>Cin 88-74 A little pitching, a little hitting
>>
>     (These were the picks for first place.)
> 
>     This is actually a bold prediction, in a way:  .574 would be
>the worst regular season winning percentage for the best team in
>baseball (best during the regular season) in the history of major
>league baseball.  I think *some* team will have the talent or luck

Didn't the Twins win only 85 games in '87??

>to win more than 93.  Still, an interesting idea in times when
>there's supposed to be a gap between the "have" teams and the "have-
>not" teams:  more parity than ever.
> 
>Jeff

-Rick
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Expos 4, Mets 0
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:25:05 GMT

In article <QdtoL2_00UhWM2LGYl@andrew.cmu.edu> to0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Oligino) writes:
>Expos 4 Mets 0
>>What about those METS!, huh?  What about that totally innocent Mets
>ace?(Gooden)
>>From:Nelson Lu
>
>    6 2/3 innings-2 earned runs-3 hits. I can live with that considering
>it was his first game back. Why don't we give him a few weeks before we
>start burying one of the best pitchers ever. I don't think this outing
>is going to have many opposing teams salivating at the thought of facing
>Mr. Dwight Gooden.

You missed the point.  I wasn't "burying" Gooden; in fact, I thought that he
had a pretty good outing.  I was responding to all the Met gloating.

===============================================================================
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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: ESPN sked
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:38:16 GMT

In article <18383@ector.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
>In article  <Adt3uly00iUx01O2ku@andrew.cmu.edu> bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Thomas) writes:
>
>I'd love to see TSN (Canada's version of ESPN) offered as part of the
>cable package in the US (does it happen border states such as
>Michigan?).

I live in a border state (New Hampshire) and I regret to say that we
don't get TSN, thought I'd love to.  Here at the college we don't get
any Canadian television.  At home in Rochester, the only Canadian
station we get is CKSH channel 9 from Sherbrooke, PQ.  They carry a
few Expos and Canadiens games (if you don't mind the French).
>
>Carl


-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   2-0   at Tigers Monday (4-2), Wednesday (10-9) and Thursday
 The Rangers jinx continues.  The year they could win, they strike.
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From: dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough)
Subject: Re: Really bad, lame-o regulars on WS winners
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.160546.28220@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, zurawski@cbnewse.cb.att.com (lawrence.w.zurawski) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr14.002035.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67709317@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
|> > But have we considered that there may have been a *worse* player
|> > than Alfredo Griffin to play regularly on a World Series winner?
|> 
|> Ray Oyler batted .132 (or something like that) for the '68 Tigers.
|> 
|> Larry Zurawski


    Granted I was only four at the time, but if memory serves I seem to
  remember that Oyler was replaced in the series by either Jim (or John?)
  Northrup or Mickey Stanley.  It was a big time risky move putting an 
  outfielder in at shortstop but they wanted the extra bat.  So, am I on 
  drugs for remembering things this way or not?  If it did happen this way 
  I would say that Alfredo still reigns supreme, because the Tigers 
  recognized that the guy couldn't hit and yanked him from the lineup.

David Hartsough
dave@bogosity.chem.psu.edu
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:56:27 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr7.135124.26463@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25436-vaughn) writes:

>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),

I would say you will definitely be right, that he was worth the
money, if he continues on schedule and hits 324 home runs.

 -km
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From: epstein@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:32:09 GMT

In <1992Apr12.213136.19361@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.210321.28874@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>>
>>     Now, Matt Young just tossed a no-hitter and lost, 2-1.  Lofton
>>looks good for the Tribe.  His walk and steal helped lead to the
>>first run for the Tribe, and Mark Lewis scored the second, after he
>>and Lofton walked. 
>
>Unfortunately, this was NOT a no-hitter under the new "improved"
>rules.  Since the home team (Indians) did not have to bat in the
>bottom of the ninth, Young only pitched eight innings.  Not enough to
>qualify as a no-hitter any more. 
>
>Personally, I think this stinks.

If this is true, then I totally agree that this stinks.  They could at
least count it for non-shortened complete games.  I wonder if they
missed this possibility when they made the rule changes.

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Errors again (Was: Re: Robinson and Boyer)
Organization: Jays Fans With An Erratic News Feed, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.122350.15711@pbs.org> kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man) writes:
>> If Baltimore was lucky enough to have them both I think you would see
>> the "Student of the Game" moving over to third.  Especially if Baltimore
>> had to play on turf.
>
>Really?  Even given that Cal has better range than Tony?  (I realize you
>are not into statistics, so I won't bother telling how I know that
>Cal has better range than Tony.  But let's not assume that because
>a guy is small and latin he must get to more balls than a two hundred
>pound white guy.)

I agree with your general argument (Ripken > Fernandez), but just want
to point out that Fernandez isn't small.  The Jays media guide used
to list him at 6'2" and 180 pounds.  He just *moves* like a small guy.
-- 
--Dave Till, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, Sietec Open Systems Division,
2235 Sheppard Ave. E. #1800, Willowdale, Ont. (dave@sni.CA or dave@snitor.uucp)
"Whatever you do, Jerry Lee Lewis has already done it.  Probably better, too."
  --Jimmy Guterman and Owen O'Donnell
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From: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney)
Subject: Cubs farm news & trivia question
Reply-To: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:47:28 GMT

LI-Cub (thatIowa Cub, that is) Lance Dickson was unable to make his opening day start against Louisville due to stuiffness in his leftshoulderhoulder stiffness. No other informationm  was
immediately available. Another note of interest: Derrick May has now hit two
home runs in two games, half (I think) of his 1991 total. Derrick May
detractors, eat my shorts. AlsoSpeaking While I'm gloating, how about Sosa's throw to
get Gilkey at homer  Friday atv  Wrigley Field? Sure, the bullpen eventually
coughed up the game, but it was an exciting play.

And now I'll get into the inane triva via question departmenttrend: What player was
Carl Yastrenskiemski's defensive replacement in his last game in 1983?
Hint: Good luck one and all. 

---------------------------
Mike McNarney
twap8@isuvax.bitnet
Iowa State University, USENET censotrs
Ames, IA 50013-0007
515/296-8797
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Bucs after 6
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:15:25 GMT

In article <QduAzhO00Vom8H50Vp@andrew.cmu.edu> al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>the opener and a 3 run dinger in the second game.  How long is he going
>to stay in the minors?  My guess is once this year can't count for
>arbitration and free agency, he will be called up.

I don't know what the situation is with Young relative to the expansion
draft.  I can't remember how many professional seasons you're protected
from having to go on the 40-man roster.  If the Pirates would have to put
Young on the 40-man roster after this season anyway, then he may get called
up this year if he does well.  If they wouldn't have to put him on the 40
man roster after this season unless they call him up during the season,
then he's less likely to go up, because they'd have to protect him in the
expansion draft (though that could be a good thing; they didn't give Steve
Buechele a no-trade contract, did they?)

>Next. I would try to trade Lind to Baltimore for Arthur Rhodes and if

I'd like that, too, but I don't think Baltimore would go for it.  Why would
they give up a top pitching prospect for a good-field, no-hit second
baseman?  They already have Billy Ripken.

>As it stands, I would leave Beuchele and Lind unprotected in the
>expansion draft. 

As long as they haven't done anything silly like sign no-trade clauses with
these guys.  You have to protect guys with no-trade clauses.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: solensky@animal.clearpoint.com (Frank T. Solensky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: *** THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS ***
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:22:37 GMT
	<1992Apr13.180805.29307@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Followup-To: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp.


In article <1992Apr13.180805.29307@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING) writes:

   I'm curious to know which cities outside of Toronto have Blue Jay fans.

After a few more of your postings, probably none.. ;-)

   Jim C.
   University of Toronto

So, were you a Yankee fan in a previous life?
--
				-- Frank Solensky / Clearpoint Research
Red Sox magic number: 161
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DUMB inexcusable play
Keywords: Dumb, stupid, unforgivable
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:17:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.180904.21079@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>, odp@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes:
> 
> 	Well, it's only Opening Day, and Vince Coleman has distinguished
> himself already. First he doesn't hustle on his first AB, then in the third
> inning of a scoreless games he gets thrown out trying to STEAL THIRD ON BALL
> FOUR WITH TWO MEN OUT. 
>
> 	What could possibly have been so important about getting to third
>with two men out? Does Vince Coleman have a brain? 


No, he doesnt. This sort of thing has happened before, and Harrelson
didnt do anything after such incidents. I remember a Padres-Mets
game; SD leading 4-2 in the bottom of the 9th, 2 out, Coleman at 2B
and the guy steals 3rd!! He made it safely, but the very fact that
he tried to steal shows his selfish-attitude/no-brains. HIS RUN
didnt mean ANYTHING. Jerry Coleman (Padres play-by-play guy) was 
very critical of Coleman. IF I were the NY manager, I fine the guy.


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: ????? Mookie Wilson
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:19:02 GMT

In article <Apr.16.12.04.51.1992.20544@math.rutgers.edu> aboufade@math.rutgers.edu (Edward F. Aboufadel) writes:
>In <1992Apr15.134828.20422@pica.army.mil>, skitchen@pica.army.mil (D.
>Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>) writes:
>
>
>>Mookie was traded to the Angels for Dave Gallagher over the break.
>
>How can this be?  The Mets just traded J. Valera to the Angels for
>Dave Gallagher.

No!  No!

1.	The Angels traded Gallagher to the Mets for Hubie Brooks.

2.	The Angels traded *Dick Schofield* to the Mets for Valera.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Charter Member of the Acker-o-phobics Anonymous
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Hall of Fame trivia (easy)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:44:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  OK, here's a simple trivia question...what surname has the most inductees
into the HOF?  And, can you name them all?

Than Lee
s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:37:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr15.181004.24775@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:

>gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:

>>lesson #1 in baseball history.  rollie fingers STARTED his career as
>> a starter.  after doing POORLY as a starter, he got a "second chance"
>> (something many players don't get), dick williams (i think) moved
>> him to the bullpen.  

>That is just complete, unbacked, nonsense!!!!!!

>In over 200 games, Rollie started only a few games in the beginning of his 
>career.  Consult the facts first!!!

"Career" can be taken to include minor leagues.  I don't know if that's how
Bob was reading this, but I'd be very surprised if Rollie weren't a failed
starter in the minors.  The days when relief specialists *enter* the minors
as relief specialists are much more recent...


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: Baseball - The 'ME' SPORT (was Re: Bobby Bonilla)
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:23:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.143407.27025@linus.mitre.org> mmcevill@mitre.org  
(Michael A. McEvilley) writes:

> Actually, the entire sport of baseball, not just the Mets, has gone from a 
> team oriented outlook, to a ME thing.  This point was brought out by Bob 
> Gibson and Tim McCarver during the opening METS broadcast from St Louis 
And I'm sure that they'll be glad to know that player's from the 40's and  
50's said the sdame thing about their generation.
(And players from the 20's and 30's ...)
> 
> Who in baseball today would reduce their salary for the better of the team  
(as 
> Magic and Isaiah did for their respective teams)???

Well, Mark McGwire took a salary cut this year.
Of course, it was for poor play, but very few people do this.
I also remember Magic complaining about his $25,000,000 deal 
when some other stars started getting more per year.

seeing, hearing
john rickert
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From: dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Truth About The Boston Red Sox (was Re: For Jays fans only!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:05:25 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.050653.24924@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>
>I can only imagine this shame because the Blue Jays fans, in proper
>Canadian tradition, had all fled the stadium by the end of the
>seventh.  Only the losers and the misfits were privileged to watch
>Todd blow the game.
>

Hey, big mistake, pal: don't lump Montreal in with Toronto.  We're in
the same country (so far anyway :-)), but Montreal is very different
from Toronto.  In Montreal, they don't leave the stadium in the
seventh.  Besides, if any team can claim such a tradition, it's 
an American one: the L.A. Dodgers.

dk
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From: mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond)
Subject: White Sox Win Again!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:03:16 GMT


		Way to go SOX!!  The game was tied at 3 going into the top of
the eighth inning.  Raines led off with a single and Sax bunted him to second.
This turned out to be a smart move as Ventura singled sharply to drive in the
game winning run.  Good relief by Radinsky in the bottom of the eighth, and thenThigpen closing out the ninth gave the Sox the win.  I should also mention that
White Sox starter Greg Hibbard pitched a hell of ballgame after giving up three
runs in the first two innings.  Only 160 more wins to go...


						White Sox in '92,

						Matt

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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: The Babe - Ugh!!!!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:58:13 GMT

In <7810359@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> lkc@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Lee Casuto) writes:

>Taping's a good idea.  But seeing "The Babe" will take more patients than I 
>can afford to contribute!			             ^^^^^^^

Why? Are you a doctor? :-)
(sorry! couldn't resist)
	

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From: ljensen@plains.NoDak.edu (Lars Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Downloading stats
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:22:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16582
Organization: University of North Dakota

Does anyone know of places to download baseball stats from on a weekly basis?
Thanks in advance.

                                         -Lars Jensen

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From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:12:52 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 5426@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>Are Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek the only announcers on TV in the country
>that do such obnoxious things as:
>
>say "Yess!!!" (so professional, aren't they)
>say "He'll grab some bench" about twenty-seven times per game
>say "You can put it on the board" like I control the scoreboard...

WHat is really scary,  I tend to go to a number of Sox games & the Hawk & Wimpy
phrases like "Who is your pick-to-click ?", "that was a duck-snort", etc...

Cubs fans are much more intelligent.  THey go to the game to drink & blow off work.





---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
From: colaluca@cs.utexas.edu (Mark Colaluca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rangers: Strong showing by Kevin Brown
Date: 8 Apr 1992 11:18:19 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Rangers

Kevin Brown of the Rangers pitched a complete game shutout last night.  I
was more impressed with his discipline, something he has lacked over the
past year or so.  His fastball was placed in good locations, and he did
not hesistate to throw his sinker behind in the count, something he wouldn't
do last year and subsequently would get his fastball ripped.  He surrendered
4 or 5 hits, and was supported by Juan Gonzalez's 2 RBI's, one on a rope
HR to left, and Dean Palmer added a solo shot to center.  Once again, Ivan
Rodriguez gunned down a runner, making him 4 out of 5 this year.

Overall, I was more impressed by this 4-0 victory than the 12-10 comeback win
on Monday night.  At least we didn't have to go to the pen and agonize over
Russell and Rogers blowing a lead :)

Go Rangers!

-- 
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