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From: thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram)
Subject: Elm 2.4dev PL17, SIGWINCH on ISC 3.0
Keywords: Elm2.4dev,PL17,SIGWINCH,ISC
Organization: Cities in Dust
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:28:23 GMT

Hi,
I've compiled Elm 2.4dev PL17 on ISC 3.0 and I encounter following
I had to fix:

Elm didn't recognize changing the window size if it was running
within a xterm. I found that there where two problems:

- the Configure script prefers the POSIX-style header "termios.h",
  unfortunatly this header doesn't define TIOCGWINSZ on ISC 3.0.
  Hence I changed it manually in config.h for using instead
  "termio.h" and it worked (#define TERMIO)

- ISC 3.0 (a SVR3.2 derived system) doesn't restore the signal
  action to the user function by itself, this must be done by
  the signal handler and the SIGWINCH handler in signals.c
  does it not, hence I changed it from:

#ifdef SIGWINCH
sighan_type
winch_signal()
{
        resize_screen = 1;
}
#endif

to:

#ifdef SIGWINCH
sighan_type
winch_signal()
{
        resize_screen = 1;
#ifndef BSD
        signal(SIGWINCH, winch_signal);
#endif

}
#endif


With this little changes Elm 2.4dev PL17 works fine on ISC 3.0.
(I didn't try all the features yet.) Perhaps I should also mention
that I had to use "-lc_s -lcposix -linet" for the libraries and I
used gcc 2.2.2 with -O2 and -fpcc-struct-return in standard (ANSI/GCC)
mode.

Maybe this helps someone.

BTW, is 2.4dev PL17 the last version? What means that "dev"?

Thank you,
Merry Christmas and happy new year,
Thomas
-- 
Thomas Wolfram, thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de
EANTC, TU Berlin, wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de, +49 030 31421294
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4PL17 won't compile on HP-UX 8.0
Date: 29 Dec 1992 12:12:25 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

richard@raet-sh.UUCP (Richard van Denzel) writes:
>My HP9000/832 running HP-UX fails to compile Elm 2.4PL17, below is the last
>part of the make:

>/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
>   qstrcspn (code)
>   len_next_part (code)
>   qstrpbrk (code)
>   mail_gets (code)
>   qstrspn (code)
>*** Error code 1

>Stop.
>*** Error code 1

>Stop.

>Strangely enough the same make works fine on my HP9000/360 also running 
>HP-UX 8.0.

>Does anyone have a clue to what I am doing wrong?

you know, if you get enought of these, you start looking into why....
so, here is why....

If you share the Elm directory between different architectures, certain
of the .o files did not depend on the output of Configure, so rerunning
Configure did not force compilation of those files.

This would be of no harm if the Elm source was not shared, as those 
files really do not depend on the results of configure.  However, when
its shared, then these .o's are for the wrong architecture.

Thus, you did the 360 first, then did a configure and did a compile.
Now, those files are still the 360 version, and the linker quietly
ignores them in the library, when linking the 832 version.  Thus
the undefines.

OK, to solve this, I have made a change in the upcoming PL20 version
to make those few remaining files depend on config.h, thus they will
also re-compile (perhaps needlessly, but....)

For now, to make it work, just go into the lib directory and remove
all the .o files and re-make.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Subject: Re: How and where should I install NLS message catalogs?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:45:44 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1992Dec19.203742.5019@irfu.se> bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
>I want to install NLS message catalogs for elm2.4 on my HP9000/720,
>using the HP-UX NLS routines.  Earlier, some of the message files
>supplied with elm2.4 did not work together with the HP-UX 'gencat'.  In
>elm2.4 PL17 this has been fixed.  Now, the problem is how I can tell
>elm2.4 PL17 that I keep my ISO-8859.1 Swedish .cat files in the HP-UX
>standard NLS directory /usr/lib/nls/swedish/iso88591.  Another problem
>is what I should call them.  For instance, 'error.cat' doesn't seem like
>a good name for the elm error message catalog.
>

Well, after some detective work I found the catopen() call, buried in
src/elm.c and found that the catalog basename was *hardcoded* to
"elm2.4".  I also found that all message catalogs should be 'gencat'-ed
to one big file (elm2.4.cat).  Now elm2.4 finds his file but (at least
sometimes) displays both the wanted message *plus* the default message
string...  The work continues.

I think the name of the .cat file should be configurable instead of hardcoded.

Bo
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From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Distinguishing between inbound/outbound mail
Date: 25 Dec 1992 22:30:23 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Since I set "fullname" in elmrc to my full name, I cannot distinguish
anymore between inbound and outbound mail.
Before, the index listing would give "John Doe" if John Doe sent me
the item, and "To John Doe" if I sent it to him.

Now however, it's "John Doe" resp. "my name"...
The "To whomever" has disappeared.
What do I do to restore the "To...." behaviour?

Regards.
$$/        F. Scott Ophof  <ophof@server.uwindsor.ca>
From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Problem compiling elm2.4.pl17
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:30:09 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1h7lguINN84d@dsinc.dsi.com> syd@DSI.COM writes:
>ebd@fang.att.com (Elliot B Dierksen) writes:
>
>>I am trying to compile Elm 2.4 PL17 on an AT&T 3B2/600 running SVR3.2.3.
>>I am getting the following error message:
>>	cd lib; make -b all
>>	cd src; make -b all
>>	cc  -O -I../hdrs    -c alias.c
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 107: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 108: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 109: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 110: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 111: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 112: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 113: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 114: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 115: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 116: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 117: too much defining
>>../hdrs/s_aliases.h: 118: too much defining
>>alias.c: 137: no space
>>*** Error code 1
>
>>Stop.
>>*** Error code 1
>
>>Stop.
>
>>What can I do to correct this? I had the same problem with earlier versions.
>>Just applied patches 14-17 today.
>
>run a real compiler :-)
>
>I suggest you bag the limited origianl C compiler and see if you
>can find one that can allow a large number of defines.  
>
>I don't think gcc has a 3b2 port, so you might be stuck.
>-- 
>========================================================================
>Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
>Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
>syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235

Most likely this is not a compiler problem.  Or a problem/limitation at
all.  It's in the cpp where the default define table size is exceeded.
To see how to set it to something bigger, do:  "man cpp".  Fixed size cpp
tables are often used to make cpp run faster on small/medum sized
codes.  It's quite common and the prize you have to pay is to
increase the size manually in cases of code with many #define's. 
Typically yo use a 'cc' option such as '-Wp,-d,10000' (meaning:
"Write to the preprocessor to increase the define table size to 10000").

I think this comes from the old 'pcc' from AT&T and the ancestor of many UNIX
'cc's

Bo
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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Timed out on locking mailbox?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:13:13 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:
>2)That all 3 forms of locking were appropriate.

If you are remote locking, the flock will not work (its local
only).... Use of fcntl for remote will work if the 'lockd' is
running however.  (Now, I wonder if I have that backwards....)
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mikeg@asylum.tmc.edu (Michael Grabenstein)
Subject: cann't write to /usr/spool/mail !!
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:07:22 GMT

	I had this error (see subject) for all of version 2.4.
and it finnally went away. What I did was this: In running the 
Configure program It would ask:
"Is elm going to be run as a setgid program? [y]"
	Since I was chmod'ing the program to 2755 I answered yes.
(Syd - was I wrong?) 
	What got rid of the infamous "can't write to /usr/spool/mail"
was just in answering no to that question. (why?)
	This is my system: Apollo domain series 4000 running 
domain/OS 10.3 (and others running 10.4)

	On to other topics--3b2 I know that gcc has been cross compiled
for a 3b1 (or pc7300). I don't know why there should not be out on the 
net for a 3b2. You might try asking in the "comp.sys.3b1" forum. A lot
of people there have 3b2's as well. Good luck.

Have a safe and happy,
	Mike
	mikeg@asylum.gsfc.nasa.gov
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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Embedded "=" in Email address
Date: 31 Dec 1992 09:39:40 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

jpolak@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>I have a correspondent whoes Email address is of the form

>	John=Smith@....

>that is, it has an "=" embedded in it. If I try to setup an alias
>for this address elm is not able to parse it properly (it seems to
>assume that the embedded "=" is a component of the aliasing syntax).

>Is there any way around this problem, e.g., is there an escape character
>I can use to force elm to treat the embedded "=" literally.

In 2.4, the proper method is to quote the address, as in
	"John=Smith"@site

-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: scocc@thor.cf.ac.uk (Chris Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Disappearing messages
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:30:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

We seem to have a problem with Elm losing existing as new messages arrive -

| A few minutes before 5 pm on Friday I was using elm and had just sent a
| message, when another arrived simultaneously.  I think that this was the
| reason for an error message
| 
| newmbox - length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
| Write to temp file failed, exiting leaving mailbox intact.
| 
| Unfortunately, it appears to have deleted 13 new, unread messages - some
| of which were rather important

I also noticed this at a similar time.  Is it likely to recurr?  Does anyone
know what went wrong?  We have Elm v 2.3 PL11 on a Dec 5830

Got to go.  System about to be taken down.

	Chris Cook
From: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: More enhancements?
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:51:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i0m56INNso9
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva2.cac.washington.edu

In article <1992Dec29.171639.3227@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>In article <9212290038.AA04210@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>
>>More items for the wishlist (maybe already there for 3.x?):
>
>>These points actually mean implementing the concept of different
>>"screens", and maybe levels of screens.  Like this example:
>>
>
>Please no!  I hate mailers that give me a list of screens before
>showing me my mail.  I think that mailers like pine handle mail this
>way, and thats fine for people who want it, but please I'd really prefer
>that elm be changed to act that way by default.

Just FYI, Pine gives you the choice of going directly to the message index
or to the main menu upon startup.

--
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 University of Washington
  gray@cac.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: woodstoc@netcom.com (Michael Ayotte)
Subject: Addressing Online Service
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:46:07 GMT

-- 


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Interests: Computers, Audio/Video, Electronics, Broadcasting
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: List of enhancements
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:39:25 GMT

In article <9212280932.AA14332@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>  [ much deleted]
>A more friendly built-in browser when reading items would also be
>appreciated.  One where paging commands are supported, both
>forwards, but especially BACKwards!  And at least per screen and
>half-screen, preferably in any increment the user wishes.
>And NOT automatically "run off the end", *PLEASE*!
>The built-in pager does NOT seem to support such commands, nor do
>"more" (and "less")...

less supports all of these wishes.

Barbara Vaughan
From: jpd@tardis.msu.edu (Joe P. DeCello)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: What editor do you use with elm?
Keywords: vi emacs
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:03:51 GMT
Reply-To: jpd@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tardis.cl.msu.edu

please respond via e-mail, with pros and cons of your choice editor.  I'll summarize.
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From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: Problems with FILTER
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:35:23 GMT

I tried replying direct but you've got problems... As I tried to say,
GET RID OF "~"!  YOu can't use this in the filter protocol, since it
is not run under your userid.

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>From: Kurt Swanson <Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se>
Message-Id: <9212211631.AA20920@dna.lth.se>
To: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu
Subject: Re: Problems with FILTER
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm

Replace "~" with a full pathname.  Also, you don't need the last rule.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: Using variety of editors with elm
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:46:36 GMT

mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:
>I have compiled elm to work with the vi editor, mostly because vi is my
>choice of editors.  However, there are other users on our system that like
>emacs, or some even like etx (It's the editor in Writer's Workbench software).
>Anyway, is it possible to specify different editors when starting elm.  Maybe
>an option or something.  I really don't want to have several different 
>compilations of elm just to be able to use different editors.  What can I do?

Every user can set this for himself - go to the options menu "o"...

Be warned that there is a bug in elm2.4 such that you must save this
change, leave elm & go back in, in order for it to work...
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
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Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Using variety of editors with elm
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:10:07 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I have compiled elm to work with the vi editor, mostly because vi is my
choice of editors.  However, there are other users on our system that like
emacs, or some even like etx (It's the editor in Writer's Workbench software).
Anyway, is it possible to specify different editors when starting elm.  Maybe
an option or something.  I really don't want to have several different 
compilations of elm just to be able to use different editors.  What can I do?

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From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: '>' prepended to lines even if Edit is selected when forewarding
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 08:13:21 GMT
Keywords: '>' prepending unwanted

In article <1287@ki.com> dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
>I found this as well.  A followup by Syd reported that this is a bug
>that appears to have been introduced in PL17. No report as to when it
>will be fixed.

A workaround would be to get into the editor, delete the >-prefixed
text, and then run `readmsg' and dump it's output in the editor buffer.
For example, if you use `vi', simply type `!!readmsg'.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Subject: Re: Is there an Addressbook in Elm?
Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
Organization: Tim Evans
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:04:28 GMT

lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) writes:

>tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans) writes:

>>This is what "aliases" are for.  Use them as short-hand for addressing
>>messages to those you frequently send mail to.  Below's an entry I use
>>to send mail to myself--I just address it to "me".  See the elm
>>doc's for more information on how to set up and use aliases.

>>me = Tim Evans = tkevans

>Is there an easy way in elm to send mail to
>a long list of users >4?

aliases are not limited to one user name; they can have multiple
user names.  And, you can create aliases which consist of *other*
aliases--creating groups of users you can categorize to your
heart's content.

>Also, how can you send mail to every user on the system?

Hopefully,  your system administrator has set up a system-wide
alias for all users.  Look at /etc/aliases (/usr/lib/aliases
on some systems) to see if there's an "all" or something like
it.  Otherwise, you can create one yourself.

As the above suggests, elm can use system-wide aliases as well as
those in your own aliases file.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: List of enhancements
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:07:02 GMT

ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:



>On 28 Dec 1992 17:39:25 GMT bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) said:

>>less supports all of these wishes.

>*INCLUDING* not "running off the end of the file"???
>====================================================
>If so, then please tell me where to get a copy; it isn't available
>*here*...  But it's useless to me if I need a sys admin to install
>it for my own personal use.  (um.. please do tell me anyway; I might
>know someone who can be of some assistance.)  :-)

Yes, including not running off the end of the file.  Speaking as a
member of the elm development group, we long ago decided not to try
and write an "all things to all people" pager.  It seemed to us (and
still seems to me) a better choice to follow the UNIX Way :-) and
have specific separate tools for specific purposes, then allow people
to use what they wish.

My copy of less does everything you ask for.  If your admin cannot
find a copy, I'll mail you source (or SunOS 4.1.X executable).  It
works perfectly well installed in your own account.  After using it
you'll never go back to `more'.
-- 
"When Dexter's on the Internet,    | "Make me taste like things I've never
 can Hell be far behind?"          |  tasted before!"  Mr Peanut to Candied
      scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us	   |  Bergen in `Caramel Knowledge'