HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Date: 03 Sep 92 18:56:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams):
> I don't like "nelly" behavior.  Period.  I've received nothing on here to
> suggest that I *should*--only flames for not thinking like *you*.  When
> I've tried to support my position and clarify it further, it's
> "backtracking."  If I bring anything up regarding *your* unwillingness to
> hear what *I* have to say, I'm a "whiner."


(jakec)
/whine, whine, whine... poor thing, why don't you, boob, and melon
/take your nail polish and play in another sandbox?




Come now, Jake (well, not literally).  The most excitement this soc.
group has had in a long time, and you want to shut it down.  

Sounds to me like those of your ilk who are constantly saying "go away" 
are doing more whining than anyone else is.  

"Go away, you mean old boys--"we already have all the people we want at 
our party, you boys play too rough."

If you don't like it, Jake, you are also free to "go away"; I'm sure
you can find another debutante ball to go to. 






Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:21:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(anderson)
/You're a sick man.  Get help.

You're anal-retentive.  Get laid.
From: ccornish@sybase.com (Carleton Cornish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fingernail Polish
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:39:53 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.230226.26237@erg.sri.com> zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) writes:

>After about a month of this, I came to work one day with a purple
>dress, purple fingernails, and a purple streak in my hair. Shock!
>Horror! Amazement! One of our hardware people told me, more in sorrow
>than in anger, that I had always seemed like such a *sensible* person
>before. I was more than a little bemused. Blue and green sparkly
>fingernails is sensible, even when you're wearing red shorts and a
>yellow shirt, but a restrained purple stripe in your hair that matches
>your clothes is not? 
>
No, darling.  Blue and green sparkly fingernails, with red shorts and a
yellow shirt, while sensible to some, I might consider a wee bit garish.
Now, purple dress, fingernails, and matching hair streak is ever so 
fabulously fashionable, tasteful, and way ahead of their (sensible people's)
eyes.  And after all, what do those "sensible" people know about fashion 
anyway?


>	Elizabeth Zwicky
>	zwicky@erg.sri.com

-carleton

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:53:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug26.153250.37168@watson.ibm.com> 
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
> > What's the matter, Jake?  Is Sargon just too *butch* for you?
>
> well, i'd rather read than play poker *or* watch movies, darling.

Would you care to test one of Apple's new interactive software
packages?  It's sort of the fem. gay counterpart to Sargon the
Butch's masc. gay persona.

Arne
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:50:26 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <71809@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a
flying squirrel) writes:

>Which leads me to wonder: if I accidentally severed my penis, would I utter
>a non-stop stream of, "shitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuck... "

Why no.  You'd say: bye-bye, wee one, I'll miss you.

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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:57:28 GMT
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <2pmnvxd@lynx.unm.edu> gworrell@carina.unm.edu (Gayla M. Worrell) writes:
>
>Just for my own curiosity, if I donate, why do they need a statement as to my
>profession, or my employers name and address?

A simple note which says "My profession is computer programmer" has sufficed
for me so far.  I also sign the statement.

--mark
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                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Irish and Irish-American
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Aug28.222835.24052@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>Nana is now
>99, in a nursing home, healthy, and still as sharp as a tack (not
>the best situation when you're surrounded by the demented, but she
>makes do.)

Ah, then she'd have no problem relating to Usenet....

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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Sim? status?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:00:10 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>>has anyone heard from or had contact from Sim Anderson?
>We're not married *yet*,

There's still a chance?  Good thing I'm still here.

>besides we probably wouldn't change
>our names.  :-)  Nothing wrong with Jess Aberson, though.

That sounds pretty good.  Sim Anderson sounds good, too.  We'll have to
see how this all works out.

Sim, skimming, waiting for the computers to go down, waiting to dodge curfew.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:55:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(robertl)
/There is no reason to believe "reasonable discussion" is superior to
/other styles of expression,




This statement speaks volumes about you.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:21:40 GMT

drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:
:In article <15930@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
::(*) I'm not calling John Mavis, I'm exclaiming to Mavis, Godess Of
::Synchronicity and Parking Spaces.
:So Mavis is Dutch for Gladis?

Aw merde, I got the names mixed up! No wonder nothing I write is
compiling lately...

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:07:59 GMT

In article <vanyel.715386757@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>
>Credibility, like anything else on the planet, is subjective.  I've
>discussed this situation with a lot of people, including some who read the
>net.  It's amazing how many of them agree with me on this....

The world is full of people who don't think.

>
>
>
>>What is it Voltaire said? "I may not agree with a word you say, Sir,
>>but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
>
>Doesn't work with this crowd, Bob.

What utter bullshit.  You have every right to be stupid and caught up
in ridiculous gender roles.  You do *NOT* have the right not to get
called stupid for being stupid.  Some of us have been around here for
a while and whining that other people agree with you, and that you
have a right to your opinion doesn't cut it.  Either defend your
position, bow out of the discussion, or admit your wrong, but QUIT
WHINING that you're not allowed to have your opinion when it has been
demonstrated here that you're allowed to have your opinion.

If you don't want to think about the implications of your arguments,
nobody here is making you.  I've spoken to a bunch of people who
think you're a total ninny (now there, wasn't that persuasive!)

All that being said, perhaps you have some points, but they're being
lost in all your whining.  Try thinking before your next post, or
maybe you should replace the light bulb in your brain with a higher
wattage.  

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
(Who remembers getting properly nailed by steve on NAMBLA, but at least
I had the decency to say I was wrong.)
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:29:36 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug28.040233.28708@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <4940@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu
>(Dean Blakeley MD) writes:
>
>>At the University of Missouri-Columbia we had a voluntary
>>weekend workshop in "sexual desensitization" where we sat in
>>a lecture hall and watched video vignettes depicting topical
>>areas of masturbation, heterosexual sex, inter-racial sex,
>>homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>category, and finally sex among the physically handicapped.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
>relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

Oh, yes.  It was probably one of the better done pieces.  It
involved a motos couple in their mid-sixties up in an A-frame
house in Colorado.  He stated that he was recovering from a
heart attack sustained about six months before filming.  The
wonderful thing about it was that it was very relaxed with the
folks being filmed taking breaks and making comments on how
they felt to the camera from time to time.  It probably had
more of an effect on me than the others because of an
internalized age bias that I didn't realize was there.  Hell,
they were having a lot of fun and didn't mind sharing that.

Peace




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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: plus ca change...
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:30:24 GMT

Matthew Melmon (mattm@Apple.COM) becomes
*unspeakably* unmentionable:
 
> La plus ca change...

Oh, puh-leeze!

"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose."
	--Alphonse Karr, _Les Guepes_, 1849

--jns  [feeling *very* diacritical faced
        with such trying circumflexes]

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Irish and Irish-American
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:51:33 GMT

kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>In article <iris_leathair@vadier.gr.osf.org>
>emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>>If nothing else, it appears that the Irish-Irish are more tolerant
>>than the Irish-Americans
...
><Ahem>

Feel free to quote me out of context.

In article <iris_leathair@vadier.gr.osf.org>
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>If nothing else, it appears that the Irish-Irish are more tolerant
>than the Irish-Americans, or at least those of the latter that we hear
>about here.

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmmv.net.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: GOP:  The Next Generation
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:09:30 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon):
> I love how students emulate the pompous tones of diplomats when writing
> these things:

guffaw!  if you had more than one brain cell, they'd all be at war
with one another.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:06:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep1.170835.9873@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <jtjnzkg.stephena@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>>Ugh. I'm with George on that opinion. Sorry, but that jellyfish stuff spooked
>>me for a week.
>
>You're talking to someone who thought he was eating Chinese fettucine
>at the '88 motss.con.  So, yes, I am a survivor of San Francisco dim sum.
>
>>>I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly sammiches
>>>AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)
>>I'll check the SF Board of Education and see what the schools have on the
>>menu that week.
>
>Great image.

Well, what other place has PBJ sandwiches *AND* can seat 40+?
Who want's to be lunchroom monitor?
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:39:03 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug26.941.54425@dosgate> "paul bobbitt" 
<paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
>
>Given that fact, perhaps some of you exhausted American Gays should
>consider visiting Canada for the next 10 years or so.

Well sure, just find us all jobs!

>So, how 'bout it?  Come to the cold country with the warm heart!

What are Canada's immigration policies about gay men/lesbians?

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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Next door to the news (Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992)
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:14:51 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <3=xy1v@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
writes:
>emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>
>>SUCCESS FOR DENEUVE
>
>>  _DeNeuve_, the most important magazine for American Lesbians, has
>>  just celebrated its first anniversary, in San Francisco.  According
>>  to its directors, the monthly has attracted in a year more than
>>  78,000 readers.  Flushed with its success, _DeNeuve_ should be
>>  turning its attention more to the international market.
>
>I don't know how many lesbians would agree with the ``most important''
>title...

	I was amused by "our" lesbians' comments on this.

	I was also amused to see this item in Eamonn's post,
	as this magazine is published downstairs from me --
	literally, on the ground floor of our three-floor building.

	The publisher *is* young, so the magazine's bias is
	natural, not cynical.  She's friendly.  She also has a
	pet pig.

	-R


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.220448.12508@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>I suspect that you
>could have sex without leather being involved; is that too presumptuous
>a statement?  It probably would be more fun if leather were involved,
>but I don't think a non-leather sex act would be lacking in pleasure for you
>(esp. if you found the partner to be physically attractive).  

The word "leather" as we use it here does not mean "tanned cowhide", but 
rather, a mindset which includes some symbols and trappings, as well as
a much larger  common set of views of sex and sensation.  Elf does not
have "sex without leather being involved" because the leather in question
is that worn on the *inside*... the outer trappings are a reflection of the
inner.  At least, that's the way it is for me; I hope I'm not being 
presumptuous to speak for Elf.
 
>Some leatherfolk will tell you, quite honestly, that leather
>is thicker than blood, that identity with leather is even more
>important than they're identity as straights, lesbians, or homosexuals,
>and that they're willing to form alliances among leatherfolk without
>concern for sexual orientation.
>
>Are there many people who feel this way?

Certainly a large part of the "leather community" that I know does.  For
example, if pressed, I would have to identify myself as "gay" and not
"bisexual" but I have participated in sex acts with women in a leather
context, and don't find that remotely inconsistent, because the issue
of leathersex is orthogonal to that other identity question.

Some of the queerest (and that's a compliment) leathersex folks I know,
or have done, identify as heterosexual...
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From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is virginity?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 04:47:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug31.220654.17780@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
->Recently, I've heard more than one (ok, two, if you must know)
->gay (ok, I'm assuming they're not bisexual) man
->describe himself as a virgin.
->Too polite to ask directly,
->I find myself at a loss to know what they mean.

Why, I'm a bisexual man who describes himself as a virgin.  Sortof.  

Lessee ... 

Of course, there's two virginities involved here, male and female ... 

In my case, I've found I have *four* virginities ... the emotional and
physical for each gender ...

I lost my emotional virginity two weeks ago (exactly ... it was a monday)
when I went to bed with a man, and, while we both kept our pants on
(literally), the emotions I felt were such that I consider him my Emotional
First ... 

My physical virginity (defined as anything having to do with genital sex ...
oral/anal) is still there ... (though not for long ... :) ) ...

Does this make any sense?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Thought Control (was Re: Too straight looking)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:32:08 GMT


In article <1992Sep02.171704.136165@zeus.calpoly.edu>
jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester) writes:

>This [what he takes Bob Sarver to mean], to me, is a more
>drastic attempt to control what people think than ANYTHING
>I've ever heard Jess say (write?) in the years I've been
>reading motss...

One of the hardest tasks any writer faces is to write in
such a way as to make *sure* the reader hears what you
intend to convey and *only* that.  Getting something down is
not hard, especially if you practice; getting it read to
mean what you say and not something else is *very* hard.

Undoubtedly I could do better than I do, even under the
given conditions of writing very quickly.  But at some point
a writer can be more or less stymied if it's a reader's
intention -- consciously or unconsciously -- not to hear
messages of certain kinds.

In line with what John is saying here, some readers hear in
my recent writing about preference and prejudice *not* the
specific ideas conveyed by the text, but rather an
additional (and _a priori_) message not contained in the
text at all.  It's beyond anyone's power other than the
reader's to do anything at all about that.

Anybody who knows anything about anything knows that it's
impossible to control what others think except under
conditions of extreme and prolonged terror, so why try it at
all?

<> The house of delusions is cheap to build, but drafty
<> to live in. -- A.E. Housman
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 09:39:15 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "fuck"
 <1992Aug24.201723.20610@macc.wisc.edu> <1992Aug28.041045.28703@microsoft.com>
 <1992Aug28.082007.914@reed.edu> <4947@news.duke.edu>
 <1992Aug28.222506.11868@osf.org>

how about "fuck off" then?  (one of my favorite (???) expressions)
how does one fuck OFF?  what does it mean, really?  or, for that
matter, "piss off" or "bugger off"?

personally, i can think of little i woudl like LESS than to be
fucked.  made love to, perhaps, depending on who was offering,
but fucked?  no, thank you.  i'll just have the brussel sprouts.

                                        -ailsa
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Al Parker
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Aug28.214209.21708@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <l9t5b1INNhnu@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>I asked him what was wrong,
>>and he pulled out a copy of Update (a gay paper), flipped to the
>>obituaries, and pointed out the obit for Al Parker.
>
>Huh?  When did THIS happen?

About four days after Rob died, which is ironic if you know that
Rob occasionally got comments that he resembled Al Parker, and that
they were the same age. And, yes, I have seen both of them in the
same place at the same time, so I know that they weren't really the
same person.

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:10:24 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>This is the model that I am asking we follow.  If we consider our 
>sexuality to be a private matter, then the various things we do related 
>to it should be private also (private==not up for public consumption 
>or gawking at on TV).

You're mistaken if you consider sexuality a private matter.
Straight people make their sexuality public all the time,
some more flamboyantly than others -- at the mall, on TV,
in the movies, at the office, wherever they please.  Why
would you have G/L/B people feel constrained to keep theirs
private?
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