HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: New pagans, reading, and coming out
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:14:23 GMT

ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson) writes:
: 
:   It never occured to me that something as impersonal as a
: computer network could elicit such feeling, such love, such
: trust as this.  We are minds touching through a blind screen,
: and what I feel out there is very, very beautiful.

Surprising, isn't it?

:   And respectful, too.  I thought that I would never understand
: anything that bill nelson was saying, but I caught a glimpse
: which quite literally shocked me.  When I turned to look again,
: the newsreader here had wiped the board to save space, but I
: think what he mainly said was that no matter how much we may
: disagree, we respect each other, and learn from the differing
: views.

Very good. I respect another person's beliefs. I may disagree, sometimes
very loudly, and attempt to point out why I disagree. Some consider many
of my postings to be contentious. They are not meant to be that way. I
mean them to give a person an opportunity to look as something in a different
way - just as I am able to view things from a different angle when someone
else posts.

:   I have to stop now, because I think what I need to say to 
: Murray is better said through the mail.  And, anyway, I don't want
: anyone to think that I _DON'T_ think I deserve to get flamed for
: some of the stuff I've said.

Please do not consider disagreements, even very strong ones, to be
flames.  The term is badly misused these days - it should mean when
a person posts a response in which you are called such things as an
idiot or moron and then points out why the posting was stupid. As
such, there are not many flames here - there are a lot of heated
disagreements.

:   But this has helped me more than I can say, that you, people
: whom I've never met but through writing, can hear my voice and
: appreciate it gives me the energy I was lacking to go home
: and write.  And, for once, to write the book I _WANT_ and _NEED_
: to write, instead of something intended to placate others.

Good. Best of luck on your literary efforts. Maybe, when you feel
something is ready, you could give us a preview sample?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bcox@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bryan Cox)
Subject: re: hazeleyes
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:49:36 GMT


>From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
>Message-ID: <1992Sep10.184321.29350@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
>
>Is there or is there not anything special about hazel eyes? Mine have been
>green-brown-gold for sixteen of my eighteen years, and they've never been
>much interesting except that they clash with themselves. I'm REAL curious
>about this.
[stuff deleted]
>                                        Rosaleen Dhu
 
So, what IS the legend?  Is there any truth to the claim that such proclivities
to magick are found with those with witch-hazel eyes? ;-}
 
I've had one major precognitive dream that I can recall, and other small
segments of dreams which mostly only follow a conversation I have later the
same month for a sum total of two (count them, 2) seconds.  Although this has
definitely left me with an open mind :) it isn't much to base any theories.
 
Well, anyway, let's vote on it, and let the 'eyes' have it. :)
 
Slan,

  Brian Byrd, Bard Initiate

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Bailing Out (rant) (was: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else)
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:17:48 GMT

In article <krikket.7113@meltdown.chi.il.us> 
 krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.130705.13553@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu
>(Albert Lunde) writes:
>>You may not see the same kind of political drive as elsewhere as it is
>>harder to place binding referenda on the ballot in Illinois.
>
>???  Please restate that, as I'm missing something, I'm sorry to admit...
>
In some jurisdictions one can place binding referenda on the ballot simply
by collecting a suffient number of petitions -- I don't think this is
the case for Illinois state law -- or if so it is more difficult.

Therefore the right wing operates in other ways. One common element is
dressing up bigotry to make it hard to vote againist (i.e calling it
"family values").




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 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: ijd@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Ian J Dickinson)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:34:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Hazel Eyes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan


>>>>> On Sept, 06, Donal wrote:
> Hazel is half green and half brown. Some are green on the outside edge, and
> some are green on the inside edge, but both variants are Hazel.
Here endeth 30 years (only 2 months to go - yikes :-) of ignorance!  I always
thought that when people told me that my eyes were hazel, they were talking
about the brown ring in the middle, and that therefore my true colours were
hazel and green.  What a stupid thing!  Thank you, Donal, for (forgive the
expression) opening my eyes!

> And.... hazel is the only correct color for the eyes of true Witches! :D
Fancy, I qualify!  Hey ho, today is no longer such a crummy day after all ...

Blessings,
Ian.


|Ian Dickinson    HP Labs Bristol (Knowledge Based Programming Dept)   England|
|Email: ijd@hplb.hpl.hp.com    | Enough if something from our hands have power|
|   These opinions are mine,   | To live and act and serve the future hour    |
|  and not (necessarily) HP's  |                                 - Wordsworth |
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: the damned bitmap
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:56:59 GMT

It appears that I didn't uuencode the thing before mailing it to people.
I await the verdict (that's you, Bran) as to whether or not the encoded
version works after it's decoded.  If so, I will post it.

Blessings,
Janis
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: I boned it.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:34:58 GMT

As two people have mentioned to men over e-mail, I boned it about Paul
and the "In thia sign, conquer" thang.

It was Constantine.  Woopsie!

Blessings,
Janis


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: "Jesus did not claim divinity" (WHY ?)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:23:04 GMT

Is it just me or is this Jesus thread in the wrong newsgroup?
I for one am not particularly interested in whether Jesus
is/was/claimed divinity or not.

This is not a shot..just an observation.

Blessed Be
/al

-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: pagan self-defense
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:49:46 GMT

alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard) writes:
> Personally, I believe twe pagans should keep a gun or two around
> the house... because in this time period, the firearm is the most
> workable tool for self-defense. 

ljt3@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Lewis) writes:
> I'd like to second this.  And third it.

As with ANY weapon, a gun is useless unless you know how to use
it and you're willing to do so.

I STRONGLY recommend that you do a couple things first:

1.  Take lessons on how to use the firearm.  Not just one-time
    lessons, but lessons on a periodic basis -- say yearly.
    This should involve some safety instruction as well as
    shooting practice.

2.  Ask yourself if you would be willing and able to USE that
    gun to KILL a human being.  If you're not willing to use
    it on the intruder, then it's more of a liability than a
    help, and you're better off without it.

3.  Ask yourself if you could control your emotions enough to
    kill the intruder only if it became necessary.  In a highly
    emotional situation like that, you may do something you
    later regret -- like shoot the "intruder" before you've
    identified who/what it is, and kill your overnight guest,
    your dog, or the friend you gave a copy of your house keys.

So, if you do those things and still want the gun, then go
ahead and get it/them.  Then, follow some basic safety
precautions. (e.g. Don't leave the gun loaded, or easily
accessible to anyone.)

By Lachesis, be careful!

Blessings!

		-- radzy

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	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: hazeleyes
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:17:11 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Hey, count yet another red/blonde hazel-eyed Wiccan!!!!!!!

Bright blessings to you all,
Kethry

Let the stars shine on forever......
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: To Murray et al (was re: Jesus did not claim.....)
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:31:44 GMT

altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
> My interest is in finding an old testament text that is not based solely
> on the Masoretic text of CE 1009, but includes as current as possible 
> scholarship from respected sources. As I've stated, I keep running up
> against dogmatists who hold to a fairly narrow belief.

The best translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that I have found is "Tanakh," 
published by JPS (Jewish Publication Society).  For the Christian Scriptures, 
my favorite so far is the Oxford Study Bible, an annotated version of the REB 
(Revised English Bible) published by Oxford University Press.

> Excuse me, but Chris, unless you realize it, you are very obviously within
> a certain camp with regard to Christian dogma.

Yup.  Evangelical protestant, is my guess.


Amanda Walker <amanda@intercon.com>
-- 
"And it came to pass that in the hands of the ignorant, the words of the bible
 were used to beat plowshares into swords..."
                -- Alan Watts

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: the Cretan bitmap (why not?)
Organization: LLNL
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:00:38 GMT

In article <2AB0343F.24524@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>Seeing as how I've already risked flamage by posting that first bitmap,
>I'm already in it deep, so why not post the other one?

	The only software I know of that might read a .bmp file is
some PClone Windows graphics programs, and the only PClone with
Windows near me does not have any network connection -- I'd have to
copy the file onto my Mac, then convert it into a MSDOS file on
someone else's Mac, then read it from that PClone. Does anyone know of
a way of turning it into some more accessible format, like gif or
jpeg? I can make images in both on the Suns I have access to.

	BTW, I enjoy JMC's posts.
From: arcane@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Kendrick Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Maelstrom
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:27:08 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida


 

  Maelstrom speaks of a "war" ... is this one that is planetwide,
and if so .. how involved are you (if at all). Further, is anyone else 
aware of a concentrated effort of "war" going on ??? (shrug)

   Thanks

                         -< ARCANE >-
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: yet another weensy question from you-know-who
Date: 9 Sep 1992 12:34:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Ailsa,

I am sorry for getting your name wrong in my original post, blame it
on my not-so-consistant memory...

Everyone,

Also, in my original post, I made reference to Maelstrom's comment about
a War.  Forgiver my naivity, that was the first post that came up on my
screen and I didn't read all the way through all of the postings.  Please
don't flame me on this...I'm trying the best I can to catch up.  Although,
if you feel you must flame me, please do it over email...Thank you.

Anyway, Ailsa, if you want me to find a place anywhere on the East Coast
that you could go to, please let me know.  If you have already answered this,
please ignore this message as I am still trying to catch up.

Bright blessings,
Kethry
From: storm@smaug.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Storm)
Subject: Re: hazeleyes
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:51:23 GMT
Reply-To: storm@smaug.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Storm)

Maybe there is something to it!  :-)  Here is another proud owner
of "witch hazel eyes".  It _must_ mean something!!!!

-storm

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So we receive rainbows. |       (415) 604-4372       | Opinions, not policies!
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Favorite Bible Verses
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 21:57:10 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:

> In article <8SEP199221092286@jane.uh.edu> lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blan
> >>Paul a deciple of Christ said
> >
> >I think it is important to note that Paul was a roman.  Romans
> 
> Paul was Jewish.  He was from the city Tarsus, and may have been pretty
> Hellenized, but nonetheless he was Jewish, as he was a pains to point
> out in several of his letters.  He did have Roman citizenship, but
> that didn't stop him being Jewish by culture and self-identification.

I think the fact that he Romanized his name, changing it from Saul (a jewish
name) to Paul (a roman one) is pretty telling, don't you?

BTW, has anyone else heard any speculation that Paul was a Eunuch, as Barbara
Walker asserts in _The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets_? Check it
out! She has some very convincing arguments. I have gone back and re-read the
bible verses she highlights, and I now see it in a whole different light.

Blessed be!


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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
From: evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: On Power
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:12:53 GMT

>>evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura) writes:
>pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:

>>Money speaks, people listen.   Money = Power.
>Hmm, seems kind of um, dogmatic?

Yes, it's the Ronco Dogmatic. It makes perfect wienerwurst every time. :)

>But I do have the book for you, it's
>called The Prince by Machiavelli, Mentor PB. 

Thank you for the book recommendation. By reading the book, I can only 
hope to learn as much about the true nature of power as you did. 
I will put the book on my reading list right after Mahatma Gandhi's 
*Democracy: Real and Deceptive*.

>Someone with your attitude needs this book.

>So if you want POWER, there is THE recipe. If you are interested in what
>and how our government is doing to you and how you are being manipulated
>by our supposed democracy, the best government that money can buy, this
>book will tell you all. There is the power, but you must remember that
>it is your obligation to do the right thing.

I am touched by your concern about my psychological condition, your
wanting to help me seek POWER, and your wish to educate me about the true
nature of government. 

With your help I am truly blessed.   :)

=-=-=-= ewige Blumenkraft =-=-=-=-=-=-= Ek ann Freyja! -=-=-=-=-=
"Power to the People!"  ---John Lennon    *    Thorfinn Einarsson
=-= ALU =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ALU =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ALU =-=
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Favorite Bible Verses
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154615.27996@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes...
>In article <8SEP199221092286@jane.uh.edu> lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>}>Paul a deciple of Christ said
>}
>}Sorry Chris, I have to go against you on this one.  Paul may have
>}called himself a disciple of Christ, but he never even met Christ
>}much less studied under him.
> 
>Good try.  The claim is that Saul met him on the road to the D place.

A vision, I'm sorry but anybody can claim a vision, look at the
Virgin Mary thing in Kentucky! 

Not only that, but I read (a long time ago so don't ask me to
quote anything) that there was evidence that Paul was probably
epileptic and that the "vision" was probably a part of a
seizure.

Whether this is true or not is immaterial.  Just because I meet
you on a road, does that make me capable of carrying out your
teachings to others.  ***NOT!***

I still hold to the idea that Jesus probably taught more to his
disciples than to the rest of the world.  Paul was not one of
them.  How much have we missed because Paul didn't know half
of what to teach!!

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: more Minoan stuff
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:25:59 GMT

You know I'm not gonna diss-agree with you now. The Eastern
Mediterranean is a magical place, where there continents meet and spill
over into Latin America and the Eastern and Western Indies. Long, hot,
dry and rainless summers and long, cool, wet and rainy winters, olives,
grapes, oranges, dates, and always wheat. Cradle of civilization, home
of the fertile cresent. You know you know you know.
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Christian Census
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:51:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I have a friend whose brother found a way to get the Jehovah's Witlesses
to leave him alone. It was an accident, really.  Thanksgiving, possibly
Christmas, I forget which. Whole family's gathered around in the living
room, having fun, talking, etc. Doorbell rings. Guess who's there? Yup.
The brother stares at them for a sec, then, before the dude on the steps
has time to start his spiel, blurts out "Go away! We're devil worshippers!"

The Witnesses never came to that house again.
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Re: the Cretan bitmap (why not?)
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:24:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.020038.13038@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>	The only software I know of that might read a .bmp file is
>some PClone Windows graphics programs, and the only PClone with
>Windows near me does not have any network connection -- I'd have to
>copy the file onto my Mac, then convert it into a MSDOS file on
>someone else's Mac, then read it from that PClone. Does anyone know of
>a way of turning it into some more accessible format, like gif or
>jpeg? I can make images in both on the Suns I have access to.

The $15 shareware program "Wingif" can open and save RLE 4, RLE 8, PCX,
BMP, and GIF files. If includes a number of simple features, such as 
cropping and color table changing, scaling, etc.

The shareware program PaintShop (PSHOP.EXE) also translates IMG, MAC,
PIC, TIFF and WPG formats (in addition to the above), and has some paint
features as well. I don't know the shareware fee, sorry. 

Both are available over common ftp sites. Paintshop is available from

   JASC, Inc.
   17743 Evener Way
   Eden Prairie, MN 55346 USA

I don't have an address for Wingif. BTW, I am not connected in any way 
with the authors of either program.

Happy hunting,

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: arcane@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Kendrick Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Tolerance (Reasons)
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:31:46 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida


 
 
 It occurs to me that mostly what we are discussing is Semantics, not 
specifically the manner of youe witchcraft. Yes, when most people think 
the word "witch" .. negitive connotations arise. However, because you are 
not a representitive of those old negetive beliefs, but one of positivity 
and assistance, you would do well to "create" a world wide term that 
inspires a sense of powerful goodness. (again semantic). One of the terms 
we've come up with is "Spiritual Harmonics", which we find tends to 
inspire the listener into asking questions in a positive light... 
 YES, I know that the natual bent is to be personally offended by the 
negitivity that people respond with to the term "witch", but you have to 
get that it is mostly what they've picked up throughout their lives, and 
has absolutely nothing to do you, your beliefs, or your practices. (most 
likely, they have not talked that much with you to even find out) So the 
point is this: you can FIGHT to get each indivigual to understand the 
term "witch" or you can CREATE a term that best describes you, that is 
automatically positive and powerful. 

 I'd challenge you to the latter! (grin)
 
 
                         -< ARCANE >-