From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:01:42 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

bill@bessel.as.utexas.edu (William H. Jefferys) writes:

> In article <2Dk2TB1w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
> #
> #There is a material "mind", through which the embodied soul interfaces
> #with the external material nature, or the senses of its body. This mind
> #is not composed of gross matter, but it is matter in that it is
> #impermanent. It is not part of the soul itself. The soul emanates
> #consciousness, and it is capable of fixing that consciousness on
> #anything ponderable: God, the soul itself, or another soul, or the
> #mind, or the senses, etc.
> 
> Show me this "material mind."

You can see it. But are you willing to undergo the process? Or are you
too lazy?

> #Although the soul has this capability, in the conditioned state, while
> #it is within the material body, it is almost completely identified with
> #matter, and thus it follows the material senses.
> 
> "Show me this "soul."
> 
> #Yes, every living organism is operated by a soul within the body of the
> #organism. The whole show is mediated by the Supersoul, Who also resides
> #within every body along with the individual soul. This is, in fact, what
> #people mean when they say "God is within". However, God is also without,
> #and unlike the individual souls, who are limited in power and are thus
> #subject to illusion, the Supersoul is unlimited in all respects and is
> #not illusioned by the allure of the material body and senses. He never
> #forgets Himself at any time.
> 
> Show me these "souls."
> 
> #
> #Yes, there are perfect persons. But they are very hard to find within
> #the material world. The perfection of the individual soul is the result
> #of becoming completely free from identification with the temporary
> #material body and mind, and attaining total recall of its actual identity
> #as spirit soul, the eternal devotee of the supreme soul, the Lord.
> #
> #We have forgotten who we are because we have become so enamored of our
> #temporary material bodies, and the material bodies of others. This has
> #been going on from remote time, but there has always been a way out.
> #This way is variously described in the scriptures, but finally one must
> #surrender to the Lord, adopt an attitude of loving devotion to Him, and
> #give up one's cherished dreams of personal power, wealth, prestige,
> #sexual indulgence, and independence in the world of Maya, for these are
> #sources of forgetfulness.
> 
> With what authority do you speak? 

On the authority of Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, on the
authority of the Vedas, and on the authority of our merciful spiritual
master, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa


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