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From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: Freeway speeding?
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:15:35 GMT

In article <1dmcliINN4po@sal-sun65.usc.edu> dittrich@sal-sun65.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich) writes:
>
>Or, put another way, can city cops write speeding tickets on the Interstate?
>What about US routes, like 101?  This is probably answered in the FAQ, but I 
>was unable to find it (the FAQ)!

This has been the subject of threads historic...  In a nutshell, just about
anyone with the power of arrest in California can issue a citation.  Now,
convincing their boss that it was a good idea is another matter.

There are *lots* of people in California, other than the obvious police,
who are so empowered.


kbq

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From: dittrich@sal-sun65.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Freeway speeding?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 11:03:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun65.usc.edu

My friends and I were driving down from San Francisco (Atherton) on Sunday 
when we got pulled over on the freeway (280?) by a San Jose Police car.  My 
friend, who was driving, was going about 78 in a 55.  The cop seemed really 
mad and seemed like he was going to write a ticket right then, but after it 
was all over, he just said, "Slow it down a little, all right?"  We were all 
baffled, expecting a $1-200 ticket for the driver.  Was he just being nice, or
is the freeway out of his jurisdiction?

Or, put another way, can city cops write speeding tickets on the Interstate?
What about US routes, like 101?  This is probably answered in the FAQ, but I 
was unable to find it (the FAQ)!
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From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:58:09 GMT
Subject: *** Full Bladders And Relief ***
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: ca.driving

Is there such as thing as an aftermarket bladder pack for long
distance truck drivers? If embarked on a long trip to Phoenix,
AZ from the Bay Area which is some 800 miles away it certainly
helps if one needs only to stop once or twice for gas without
being too concerned about finding a restroom especially since
it's rather hard to urinate in the wide open desert without
being seen by passing motorists or an unamused patrolman. :-)

On that basis, should anyone wish to share their experiences
on how to get around the full bladder problem whilst in the
middle of nowhere that still has passing traffic then, by all
means, let's share them shall we? Remember, I'm talking about
no gas stations, coffee shops, reststops or any convenient
location where one can seek relief. This is not intended to
be a joke, mind you, but to share information on how we can
handle such a potentially embarrassing problem. Please post
or if you're too modest to post then email me and I'll post
your information minus your name and email address here. 

Graeme Harrison
DoD#0649
(gh@hpmsd2.sj.hp.com)
'Can't hold it any longer....'
From: aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Info. needed on traffic tickets ...
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:56:01 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov5.223522.1159@pro-palmtree.socal.com> markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz) writes:
>I second that, and even if the  officer did show up- and you tell your
>side of the  story- the Judge might dismiss the ticket or perhaps reduce
>the fine. 
>my motto is "no harm in trying"
>(as I have gotten two tickets (one for Bicycle riding on the sidewalk)
>I won that one. and 1 jaywalking ticket (I won that one by default)
>both tickets courstey of Santa Monica Police dept)

One point you're overlooking.  Insurance co notification.  If you pay
the price and take the Traffic School, the insurance company doesn't
know about it.  My insurance company responded to Prop 103(?)  by
giving good discounts for "good drivers"; their definition is no
at-fault accidents, no moving violations for 3 years.  If I fight a
ticket and lose, I lose the good driver discount; my rates would go up
about $400 a year. (That's what they went down after 103).  The cost of
a speeding ticket for me was $60 + $30 admin + $30 school; about $120.
No contest.  I think this is duress.  I would like to have the time and
money to take it to the supreme court, but as things are, I paid the
money and spent the day in traffic school.

-- 
Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.
From: Ed.Evans@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Speeding in LA
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 09 Nov 92  11:09:08

HB6>1) Plead guilty and pay the ticket. This leads to increased car insurance.
HB6>2) Plead guilty but go to traffic school instead of paying the ticket.
This
HB6>   will *not* affect my car insurance rate.
HB6>3) Plead not guilty.

This seems to be the common wisdom.
___
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--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: Speeding in LA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:48:42 GMT

In article <1deof5INN2kq@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.200830.27968@exu.ericsson.se> ebuhob@ebu.ericsson.se writes:
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>I have just received my first speeding ticket ever, on a freeway in LA.
>>As far as I understand I have three choices:
>>
>>1) Plead guilty and pay the ticket. This leads to increased car insurance.
>>2) Plead guilty but go to traffic school instead of paying the ticket. This
>>   will *not* affect my car insurance rate.
>>3) Plead not guilty.
>>
>>I was stopped by an MC Police on the freeway, driving in the left lane. He
>>claims I was making 65.
>>
>>What are my chances if I plead not guilty? What happens if I loose?
>
>If you lose, you pay the fine (you've already paid it anyway when you
>make your court date. If you win, they refund it. Not too swiftly, either.)
>
>However, the chances of winning a freeway speeding ticket against the
>Highway Patrol are almost zero. Any other offense, or speeding on
>surface roads, yeh, I've won 'em, but forget trying to get over on
>the CHP. They are unusually adept at not writing them unless they have
>you dead to rights - and judges know this. 
>
>Further, they ALWAYS show up in court.

As I've pointed out before on this group, you're overlooking Insurance
co notification.  If you pay the price and take the Traffic School, the
insurance company doesn't know about it.  My insurance company
responded to Prop 103(?)  by giving good discounts for "good drivers";
their definition is no at-fault accidents, no moving violations for 3
years.  If I fight a ticket and lose, I lose the good driver discount;
my rates would go up about $400 a year. (That's what they went down
after 103).  The cost of a speeding ticket for me was $60 + $30 admin +
$30 school; about $120.  No contest. 

-- 
Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: LoJack in the Bay Area?
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:41:56 GMT
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.

I am shortly going to take delivery of a new Saturn. With all the
talk about carjacking, LoJack seems like an ideal first accessory.
Does anyone know if it's available in San Jose (and vicinity)?

-- 
Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us> | "Extremism in the defense of liberty
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37 19 49 N / 121 57 36 W             | of justice is no virtue."
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From: dittrich@sal-sun65.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Why don't people use their lights?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:32:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun65.usc.edu

iv@sco.COM (John Elliott IV) writes:
 >
 >astallon@us.oracle.com (Anthony Stallone) writes:
 >
 > >> Why do car headlights stay on when you turn the car off?!
 >A:Not all of them do!  My '89 Celica has 'smart' relays
 >  which switch the lights off when you turn the ignition OFF,
 >  and then open the driver's side door.  It's saved my battery
 >  a few times.

I had an '82 Mercury which had a delay feature (which is now rather common).
The headlights would stay on for a certain adjustable amount of time after
you shut off the engine, then the relay would shut them off.  But one cold 
night in Chicago, the relay stuck, and the lights did NOT shut off.  After that
I used the manual headlight control.  I'm sure they have improved this system
by now.
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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: Stupidity in cars (was Re: Why don't people use their lights?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:45:07 PST

Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu (Sudarshan S. Chawathe)   writes:


>Specific e.g.:  I haven't encountered any car that would beep at
>you (say for 5 sec.) if you drive for 10 sec at night with your
>lights off.  All this needs is a simple circuit that should cost
>less than $10.

My friend's Chevy Cavelier (86 or 87) has an indicator on the dash
that comes on if you are driving with your lights off and the outside
lighting is very low.

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: *** Full Bladders And Relief ***
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:24:10 GMT

In article <53410023@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|> Is there such as thing as an aftermarket bladder pack for long
|> distance truck drivers? If embarked on a long trip to Phoenix,
|> AZ from the Bay Area which is some 800 miles away it certainly
|> helps if one needs only to stop once or twice for gas without
|> being too concerned about finding a restroom especially since
|> it's rather hard to urinate in the wide open desert without
|> being seen by passing motorists or an unamused patrolman. :-)
|> 
|> On that basis, should anyone wish to share their experiences
|> on how to get around the full bladder problem whilst in the
|> middle of nowhere that still has passing traffic then, by all
|> means, let's share them shall we? Remember, I'm talking about
|> no gas stations, coffee shops, reststops or any convenient
|> location where one can seek relief. This is not intended to
|> be a joke, mind you, but to share information on how we can
|> handle such a potentially embarrassing problem. Please post
|> or if you're too modest to post then email me and I'll post
|> your information minus your name and email address here. 
|> 
|> 

Well, as a parent who has been travelling with kids for 16 years now, I've
had many a trip interupted with the famous line "I"ve got to go to the
bathroom!".  This is usually heard after we pass the exit to the rest stop, or
right after we've left the gas station and are back on the freeway :-)
My solution:  I just pull over in a safe spot, get out of my truck, unlock
the door to my trailer, and let the kids, the wife, or myself in to use our
own bathroom!  Ahhhhhh,  the pleasures of RVing!!


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: calley@optilink.UUCP (Chris Calley)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Judge offers probation. I accept. C'est la vie.
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:47:20 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

I went to traffic court this morning.  Not the actual trial, but the informal thing
that Sonoma County does (more like an arraignment).  My intent was to plead not
guilty to CVC 21752c driving on left, and request a trial with the officer present.
Immediately after entering my plea, judge notes how pristine my driving record is
(little does he know what it used to look like), and offers me probation.  If I'm a 
good little boy for the next 6 months, they will dismiss the charge.  I accept, mostly
to avoid having to go back to court (which I detest), and because there is a real
possibility I might actually lose in a formal trial.  I'm also feeling confident I
can control my little urges to drive in a less than proper manner, at least for the
next six months.  In a way, I feel like I sold out.  My defense had several arguments
based on the law and I really wanted to cross-examine the !@#@$% out of the cop.  Now
I'll never know.  On the positive side, I don't have to pay them any money, it doesn't
go on my record, and I don't have to sit through any stinking traffic school and
listen to some lame retired CHP jerk tell me how important it is to wear a seat
belt.  Of course, if I get another ticket within the next six months, they're gonna
make me eat shit.



-- 
Christopher A. Calley - all opinions are my own... etc.
email: 	calley@optilink.com
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Info. needed on traffic tickets ...
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:35:22 GMT

I second that, and even if the  officer did show up- and you tell your
side of the  story- the Judge might dismiss the ticket or perhaps reduce
the fine. 
my motto is "no harm in trying"
(as I have gotten two tickets (one for Bicycle riding on the sidewalk)
I won that one. and 1 jaywalking ticket (I won that one by default)
both tickets courstey of Santa Monica Police dept)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,seattle.forsale
From: john@halcyon.com (John Carl)
Subject: MS C 7.0 / Win 3.1 SDK for sale
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:28:13 GMT

Microsoft C 7.0 and Windows 3.1 SDK for sale.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Term Limits and Abortion
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:36:45 GMT

quendor@hardy.u.washington.edu () writes:
>the matter that way. It's not explicitly stated, but I am certain that our
>founding fathers never expected career politicians. Of course, they probably
>didn't expect the courty to last this long either.

If you are going to go by what the founding fathers expected, then term
limits are out.  Most of the states tried term limits before the Constitution
was written, and it did not work very well.  That's why when they considered
term limits in the Constitution, they unanimously voted term limits down.

--Tim Smith
From: jstaffe@uswnvg.com (Jarrod Staffen)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:32:45 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Christopher Davis (ckd@eff.org) wrote:
: [excellent parody deleted]
: 
: I'm heterosexual.  I don't know why I am, that's just the way I am.  I
: certainly didn't "choose" it, or decide one morning "hey, I should be
: attracted to females".  That's just the way I'm wired.  Because of that,
: I have a hard time regarding homosexuality as a "choice" either.
: 
: Special rights?  The right to get the most important person in my life
: covered by my health insurance policy?  Guaranteed to inherit my
: property rather than have it disappear in probate?  Rent an apartment or
: buy a house together?  These are "special"?
: 
: Maybe people made a "choice" to be black, and then started demanding all
: those annoying "special rights" like being able to use the same
: bathrooms, eh?

Very well put, Christopher! You're absolutely right on target.  I get so
frustrated when the ignorant try to tell us that they know for a fact
that homosexuality is premeditated or decided.  I am very close to a number
of homosexuals, including my own brother, ang have discussed the issue of
choice with them.  Most of them start out hating themselves because of the
attraction they feel towards their own gender, while being told left and
right that such feelings are perverse.  My brother tried to be heterosexual,
but it was as repulsive to him as I think it would be for me to be gay.

Sure, maybe we don't have any proof yet that would tell us the cause of
homosexuality.  But if we're going to default our biases until then,  why not
default on the side of freedom to choose who you will sleep with?  It's just
none of my business to know who a man or woman sleeps with.  Much less
discriminate against it.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: anderson@atc.boeing.com (Mike Anderson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Term Limits Initiative
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:28:43 GMT
Reply-To: anderson@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services


In article 4105@bcstec.ca.boeing.com, robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:
  >In article <4095@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall) writes:
  >>With the (presumed) passage of the Washington Term Limits initiative, I was
  >>wondering about the prospects of this law being overturned in the courts?
  >>
  >>Anybody have a clue?
  >>
  >
  >   I have a question re: this issue too.  If it is constitutional for 
  >the presidential position why would it be unconstitutional for other
  >elections?  I know Foley claims that it would be and Arizona has ruled
  >that it is.  Seems like a contridiction!
  >

The limit on presidential terms was established by a Constitutional
amendment.  It is my understanding that Foley feels a similar amendment
would be required to limit the terms of members of Congress.

Mike Anderson
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.motss
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:23:11 GMT

In article <1313@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:

(In reference to a possible Proposition 9 clone in Washington...)
Tons O' Deletions...

>
>Look forward to a similar measure here come the next election.  
>

...and...

>
>Look forward to it.  It divided a people in Oregon and it can happen
>here next election.  You will be asked to vote the rights of people
>you know out of existance.
>

Why wouldn't such a law be unconstitutional?  If you are denying
people equal protection under the law, that sounds just about as
unconstitutional as it gets.  Isn't this whole issue just a red
herring?  I mean, it's kind of like saying that people who talk
with an accent are subversives, or people who are over 6' 8" are
antisocial, or something like that, and should be denied their
rights.  I'll admit I didn't follow this issue very closely because
it didn't take place in Washington, and I've been in southern 
California during the election where it isn't being mentioned at
all, but there must be something more to it than what I've stated
above. Was Proposition 9 a reaction to a "special rights" law?
What's the whole story?  "Ignorant Washingtonians want to know." :-)

-- 
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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Cuban refugees
Date: 31 Oct 92 06:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <MS-C.720410727.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
/In 1991, the number of Cubans rescued at sea after fleeing Cuba was
/2,203.

I wonder how many Americans fled to the Workers' Paradise in Cuba during
the same period.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general,misc.forsale
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From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Term Limits and Abortion
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:14:08 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

Mark speaks of th Term limit initiative and the Abortion rights initiative.

mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>In both cases, we are dealing with sore losers who are unwilling to accept the
>verdict of the people.  They are seeking to use the courts as a way to impose
>their own political viewpoint.  There is a word for this.  That word is
>dictatorship.

House Speaker, Tom Foley was saying, befire the vote on term limits, that
he will do everything "in his power" to get the vote of the people 
basically declared null and void.  He was against term limits and therefore
he will get the law declared unconstitutional.

This is the height of arrogance that can be attained by "Aristocrat
Foley" as he is known to listeners of the Mike Seigal show on KVI.
While I do not always agree with Mike, or his style, I find him spot
on in this regard.  Foley, who I cannot even vote for, claims to be
avle to nullify my vote.

He has been in power too long and has forgotten who he works for.

>The courts should not be in the business of making law, or of breaking it.  A
>law is overturned only if it is made by a lessor body in defiance of a higher
>law.  The highest law is ultimately the US Constitution itself, and its
>amendment process.

Pardon me, Mark, but wouldn't that make it unconstitutional?  I was with
you up to here.  I seem to have missed your point.

On the rest of it, though, I agree with you.




         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.