HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.161815.21301@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>
>Let me try one more time: if Heather could not, because of
>professional considerations, post the post she posted while
>Bloom was alive, why does she now think she can get away
>with asking someone to desecrate Bloom's memory, which is
>exactly how his surviving friends and supporters would see
>outing a corpse? 

Frank, what the hell is so desecrating about calling somebody a homo?
I'm a Homo, Alan was a Homo, wouldn't you like to be a homo too?

Ry
ry@usl.com
>with impunity -- after all all she has done is post a
>request for someone else to out him -- why could she have
>not done the same thing when he was alive. What has changed
>vis-a-vis those who have power over her? They will or will
>not take notice of, and object to, her post in exactly the
>same manner, whether Bloom is alive or dead -- that they
>resent even more kicking a man who can't fight back, again
>as I'm sure they would see it.
>
>If I have again failed to be cogent, I will drop the entire
>point now.
>
>-- 
>Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
>	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Anti-Semitism (was Re: WARNING0
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:31:57 GMT

Well, it appears I didn't know what I was talking about in regards
to anti-Semitism. I think I'll shut up now...

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:26:21 GMT

In article <Bvsp6F.GrA@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>The same person who'd say, when asked, "I don't smoke ... cigarettes."

Bela Lugosi--cultural icon?  




-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: csb@world.std.com (Charles S Bedard)
Subject: St. Petersburg Gays
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: y
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:55:24 GMT



"St. Petersburg and the Gays"
from Tels Quels (Brussels) 
translated from the french from RG magazine (Montreal PQ)

A group in St. Petersburg, The Wings has received official recognition
from the department of justice in the town in October 1991. Two week later
The Tchaikowski Foundation also received the same recognition. This is an
important change in politices in ST. Petersburg because the groups
have been asking for recognition several times. Even so, it is still
illegal according to article 115 for a person who is seropositive to infect
another person. The penalty is 8 years in prison. Andrei Plotnikov has been
quarantined since September 1991 under the accusation that he infected his
lover. The lover has never been tested and has never accused Andrei of
infecting him. Plotnikov also faces another criminal charge under article
121 which criminalises homosexuality. The penalty is an additional 5 years.
All is not rosy in 'Eltsine'.

Translated by Charles Bedard, Cambridge MA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.011511.8688@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess 
Anderson) writes:
>
>
>>1.  A new poster joins a conversation.  This time it is
>>Matt, last time it was JD.
>
>Have I already forgotten?  Must be getting old, but I don't
>recall JD (if that means John Dorrance) getting much guff,
>though when I reach *way* far back in my mind, I think it's
>your name I see in that connection.  I could be wrong.

He certainly got some.  I don't remember who it was from. 

>Well, we all have our flaws.  Yours is seeing a cabal under
>the sheets.

There are certainly some cabalists I wouldn't mind seeing under the sheets
- my sheets. 

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:21:23 GMT

> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) wrote:

>> 1992 [so far]: "The Beast Within" remix of "Justify my Love" called
>> anti-Semitic. Movie, "A League of their Own", released, with Madonna
>> appearing as an outfielder, the limit of her interest in professional
>> sports. New album, "Erotica", and new book, _Sex_, still to come as I
>> write this.
>
>She also appeared as a circus performer in a movie by another of this
>year's "sex fiends..." 

...and will shortly appear as a sex fiend *and* circus performer
in a $50 book, tastefully wrapped in opaque mylar to protect the
delicate sensibilities of the average bookstore browser...
-- 
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 20:38:28 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
 <1992Oct11.174227.15971@gordian.com> <1992Oct11.194724.7865@reed.edu>

i liked the list of adjectives that the guy whom eamonn called
"insensitive" posted, actually.  i don't do romantic jealousy
either.  if my beloved admires the aesthetics of passing strangers,
why shoudl i care?  i mean, i might get upset if said beautious
strangers are not pointed out to ME, but anyway...  so long as
she comes home...

"a dirk between the shoulder blades"...  is THAT where we're putting
them these days?  i woudl think there are MUCH more useful things
to put them between, but i suppose i am not exactly an expert in
such matters...

                                           -ailsa
======================================================================

Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:06:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <mattm-071092090715@mcmelmon.apple.com> <1b4m1oINNaq7@mizar.usc.edu>
  <1992Oct9.231933.7682@reed.edu>

Nelson Minar writes:
>And this is what Arne (and Steve) and I were arguing about. For me, an
>icon is a super-influential person for whom we recognize that person's
>identity. 

Indeed. Throughout the preceeding argument, I kept thinking of
the concept behind an "icon" in a computer GUI; a pictogram that
with a minimum of orientation immediately means something to the
user.

There's a recognition factor wrapped up in the term "icon" as
applied to a person; there's no doubt at all that Dietrich was
incredibly influential; but an "icon"?  Nowadays, probably not
to most people.
 
() Democracy is a form of government in which it is
() permitted to wonder aloud what the country could do under
() first-class management.
()      -- Senator Soaper
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Plants rights!
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.182548.22322@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
>	While I can't support torturing animals, even those bred for
>slaughter, I have to wonder sometimes about some so-called
>aminal rights acitivists.o
>
>	First off, I have never met anyone who wasn't a species-ist.

<good stuff>

>ObJoke: What'sd the last thing that goes thru a bug's mind when it hits
>	your whindsheield?
>
>It's asshole

hummm, when it comes to modes of transport, i must be "specieist",
i heard this as "when it hits a biker"

and to mix jokes, the answer is "its ass", "asshole" would be the spouse.

>
>(OK you can spank me now... :-)

no, we will punish you instead :-)


-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         postmaster@thinkage.on.ca  kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
         kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca  [129.97.128.1]      kgdykes@thinkage.com
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barbara Boxer (Re: Quayle Campaign Stroll Disrupted in SF)
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:41:52 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <b=tz=1k@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>So, how is Barbara Boxer doing in the polls?
>Herschensohn is a raving maniac! He wants to abolish the
>Department of Education, among other things. Anyone have recent poll numbers?
>I had last seen Boxer at 22 points ahead but the person who called Dean said
>she had dropped 8 points recently.

The 22 points was before the Herschensohn tv ads started. Unfortunately,
he comes off as anything but a raving lunatic on tv.  He's kind of a 
grandfatherly looking type with an FM classics hour dj voice. The
commercials are against high taxes, government waste, the check kiting
scandal, etc. His real ultra-conservative views aren't aired on state-wide
tv. I just hope the Boxer campaign has the sense to show footage from
his tv shows in Orange county.

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:42:32 GMT

Maybe you're right. I am in pain and I am taking it out on you.

Give me a few days to recover, and I may owe you an apology.

-- 
David Rollins                 |  I OWN A COMMODORE/AMIGA 2000.  
Email: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu |  I'M GOOD ENOUGH. I'M SMART ENOUGH,
Voice: 919-763-4115           |  AND DOGGONE IT, PEOPLE LIKE ME!
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: M A D O N N A
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:58:17 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) wrote about Madonna
again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again...

One would get the impression this were *important.*

(I never know whether to keep the period inside the asterisk, or outside.)

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:48:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.024832.20777
Organization: insert anything here

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>2. (Ursinophobes need not read this. ;-) Is there an official "bear" flag?  
>I recall seeing, here and there, a flag with a paw-mark in one corner.  

	I'm told thre is a flag that has 5 diagonal stripes to match
skin tones and two black paws in opposite corners.

	Haven't seen one yet.  At some point I hope to design
one for me.

BBC
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Scott Lively convicted, and this week's hate crimes
Keywords: OCA, Measure 9, hate crimes
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:38:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct7.213819.10267
Organization: insert anything here

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>3. HARASSING PHONE CALLS AIMED AT "ANNE FRANK IN THE WORLD" EXHIBIT
>   The First United Methodist Church of PDX has received four harassing
>   phone calls about the Anne Frank exhibit that opens this Friday.
>   "Basically, they say Anne Frank is a hoax," said Wendy Liebreich,
>   who heads the "Anne Frank in the World" committee that is presenting
>   the exhibit.  The American Jewish Committee has also received such
>   calls.  No specific threats were made, and 24-hour security arrangements
>   have been made.

	Speaking of the AFinW exhibit, it is true what I heard that all
references to GBLO*-victims of the Holocaust were removed from this exhibit?
If so, what sort of message is that giving: "IT's OK to revise history
if only to remove faggots from any positive lght."  (As if the death
of tens of thousands of people could be construed in any wa y"positive".

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:51:32 GMT

shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On 6 Oct 92 08:28:09 GMT, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) said:
>Laura> I just wish that men didn't assume that men without women don't
>Laura> do their own washing, and women, especially women with men,
>Laura> understood that *they didn't have to*.

I do laundry as long as my partner cooks.  True when I was married, true now.
We all have our strengths... and weaknesses. 

>Laura> Wash&Fold.

>Forget Wash&Fold--send your cotton shirts to the laundry and
>get them back starched and ironed on hangars.  I _love_ sliding
>into a nice crispy medium-starched smoothly ironed Hawaiian print
>shirt.  Prying the top edge of the pocket loose to clip my badge
>on--oh the ripping noise.  Sometimes it's nice to have a little
>pleasure at 0530.

And most men's shirts have that little double pleat in the back.  Just before
we leave for work in the morning, my hubby and I will hug each other tightly,
and be rewarded with that gratifying popping sound as the starch lets go.

-jeff [little pleasures get me through the day.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:18:45 GMT

In article <mattm-091092093527@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew 
Melmon) writes:
>> 
>> Matthew, why are you so nasty to people?  What do you get out of it? 
>
>Having sampled this 'news' group for the last year (which I full
>well realize does not include the sum total of it's existence) - it
>has seemed, to me, to be one long stream of contempt.

I think you are viewing soc.motss through the wrong mental filter.  There
are some people here who are curmudgeons, or angry at the world, or upset
about something which doesn't have anything to do with us, but the great
majority of the regular posters actually do like each other, and we want
to get along.  That's why the cons happen.  That's why we have dinners for
out of town visitors.  I'm sorry - for your sake, not that you want my
sympathy - that you don't see that. 

>> Good try at using the subjunctive, but you need "that" to make it a clause.
>> I don't think you can omit it in that case and still be grammatical. 
>
>I'm sure you are correct.  I am also sure that I shall make many, many
>such errors well into the future.

No "live and learn" from you, eh?  


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 09 Oct 92 15:42:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Oct8.221925.2247@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Ars longa, Melmon brevis.  I can't wait to hear your opinion of books
>and plays, especially "old" ones.  ("How DARE you call 'Starlight
>Express' trash--obviously you don't know much about producing a
>theatrical production which GROSSED 100 MILLION IN THE PAST 8
>YEARS!!!")   I don't know whether to giggle or drone "the horror,
>the horror."

Steve, your remarks remind me of recent encounter with a handsome,
interesting-looking, young man who has some involvement in the local
recording scene. We had been introduced and talking a little; he kept
getting drawn into the music videos, staring at them with the intensity
of a critic. He would remark from time to time on the video of the
moment.

When a dancer-singer was strutting around in high-heels and nylons and
top-hat-and-tails, I said something about how she was looked and moved
like someone who was born to late, that she might have found a way for
herself in the Broadway musical (thinking as I was of Rodgers and Hart,
the Gershwins, Cole Porter, and that ilk), which, I said, were
unfortunately dead.

He said, dead?, they're not dead, they're very much alive.  Look at
Cats, Andrew Lloyd Weber, &c.

Yes, exactly, I said and excused myself.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42445 soc.bi:13581 alt.politics.homosexuality:6392
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Queer Planet Info
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:47:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.jhansen.718645671
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1eTcsB8w165w@spud.kludge.com> centaur@spud.kludge.COM (Victor Scott Rose) writes:

>Queer Planet's "United Nations Project" includes several aspects:
>1. To continue to petition the United Nations, urging them to immediately 
>respond to human rights violations (including torture and murder) against 
>gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transexuals in many countries, including: 
>Mexico, Equador and Columbia.

...and Oregon.

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
From: fredh@spdcc.com (Fred Huntington)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: first no on 9 tv ad i
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:41:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct7.184108.5005
Distribution: soc
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

> "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
> 
> I just read on Gaynet this afternoon that the Governor of Oregon's
> Office is starting to tally the phone calls on the 9 bill.  I phoned
> and urged him to vote No on 9.  I just might be the first international
> voter (Toronto, Canada), but let's hope I'm not the last.
> 
> Remember, it doesn't matter where you are.  It's your vote that counts.
> 
> Phone the Governor of Oregon at (503) 378-3111 and urge him to vote
> No on 9.

The OCA initiative, Measure 9, is up before the voters, not something the 
governor can act on except with *her* one vote and by speaking out on the
issue, which she has.  She, Barbara Roberts, along with many other public 
officials has already come out strongly against the bill.  So if you call 
the governor's office it might be more appropriate to offer your support
for her stand than to tell her how to vote.

There are public officials, among them  U.S. Senator Bob Packwood 
(Republican and rumored 'family" member) who have not been willing to 
take a stand on this, and pressure on them is more to the point.
Packwood, like too many Republicans, is afraid to antagonize the 
religious right-wing.

But one way or another, everyone's letters, phone calls, and $$ in opposition 
to Measure 9 (and the similar measure in Colorado) are important.

Fred Huntington
(until last year an Oregonian) 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:43:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <67737@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
>Brett Manz presses his joss:
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Definition of joss...
>>joss \'ja:s, 'jo.s\ n [pidgin E, fr. Pg deus god, fr. L - more at DEITY] :
>>   a Chinese idol or cult image
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>In James Clavell's novels, "joss" is a Japanese word for "luck".
>

I finally thought to look the word up in my Webster's Ninth. It, too,
says joss is Pidgin English from the Portuguese deus, god, which of
course comes from the Latin.

It list joss house, as well as joss stick, but joss by itself is
defined as an idol or cult image.

So I'd say Clavell is way off-base both linguistically and
geographically, since Portuguese probably enters via Macao, some little
ways south of Japan (although the Portuguese were once traders in
Japan, before that country was closed to all but a once-a-year Dutch
fleet--if memory serves).

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:06:15 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>
> I sure wish soc.motss could be a more positive influence in my life ...

[...Donald isn't interested in the Deitrich/Madonna debate, either...]

> Last night, I beat up a white boy with a baseball bat because he said
> to me, "Hey Black Boy, suck my dick!"  I swore to God, I was going to kill him,  
> because I didn't let the bat stop.  I keep swinging trying to swing it all the  
> way through him.  I may be end up getting kicked out because of it, but I'm not  
> worried.  I warned the RA that this would happen, but he chose not to do  
> anything.  He shouldn't have left it up to me ...

I wish it could be a more positive influence in your life, too.  I
wish something could - ANYTHING.

> I'm not expecting you to patron me exclusively, but if I feel that the only way  
> I can exist here on soc.motss is by never posting anything of value or  
> importance while simultaneously wading through the usual White diatribes, I  
> won't have a very nice attitude when I do.

Well, now that you have our attention, is there anything of value or
importance you would like to contribute before going to jail?  You do
realize, don't you, that if you did what you said you did, you deserve
some time behind bars?

If you thought you would get some sort of vindication or approval from
this group for your actions, you were tragically mistaken.  I am truly
sorry.

> 
> Donald - Nigger Stompin' African


Mike - just Mike


[] ---
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