From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Drugs in the Classroom  (Was - Re: Re: Creed.)
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:01:22 GMT

In article <1ad5j0INNjl7@network.ucsd.edu> spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.202327.678@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.131245.3402@memstvx1.memst.edu> isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>> Little Joey is a bright young third grader who is bored and frustrated with 
>>>what laughably passes for education in grade schools controlled by 
>>>Psychologists.  
>>
>>Paranoia anyone?  I didn't know that my son's 4th grade was run by 
>>psychologists.
>
>Psychologists or "educators."  In many cases it amounts to the same
>thing. 

Could you explain this?  I took psychology classes in college.  Does that make
me a psychologist?  Is there some deep down hidden 'psychology of math'? that
I don't know of?  I notice that you're posting from a school.  What does that
make you?
>
>>>He is noisey, disrupts class, and is generally to active
>>>for the teacher who likes the class room nice and quiet.  The teacher
>>>knows he should be quiet because she learned about it in school in a class
>>>called "The Psychology of Pre-Adolescent Human Learning".   
>>
>>And instead the teacher was supposed to spend her time trying to keep Joey
>>quiet so the other students could learn, but since that was extremely time
>>consuming she was unable to spend any time teaching the other children.
>
>Or instead of spending her/his time creating a learning environment
>that's interesting and stimulating.  Good heavens, we wouldn't want to
>actually allow creativity or individuality.  That's "disruptive" and
>dangerous to the status quo.

If a child can't remain seated, can't stop taking, and disrupts the classroom,
you call this CREATIVE?  Wow!  Life would be pretty easy wouldn't it.  Stand
up, walk around, talk loudly and don't listen to a teacher means being 
INDIVIDUAL.  Well, if 29 out of 30 students don't have this problem in a class
why is the teacher failing?  Or is it the child?  I would love to see this
situation taking place in your children's class.  Daddy, I didn't learn anything
today becase Joey wouldn't sit down or keep quiet.  The teacher had to chase him
around the room a couple of times.  We missed an hour of math and now our class
is behind the rest of the school.  But thats OK, Joey is just being creative
and individual.  
>
>>>So what happens?
>>>The school Counselor (a psychologists) refers Joey to a psychiatrists who
>>>prescribes him a drug for his "hyper-activity". 
>>>
>>Now, Joey can control himself, does not disrupt the classroom environment, and
>>the rest of the class and Joey can learn to survive in today's society.  
>>Sounds like a win-win situation.
>
>Yes, the teacher wins a nice, quiet, subservient classroom, the drug
>company wins a new customer, probably for life.  The only one that
>loses is Joey because he's lost the ability to be creative and think
>for himself.  But who cares, as long as when he is finally excreted by
>the educational system he goes to work every day, comes home, sits in
>front of the tube, and buys whatever the box tells him to buy?

And don't forget, that now the other 29 children have a learning environment
they can handle.  Joey, since he can now control his own emotions and actions,
can learn also.  He can learn how to interact with the rest of civilization.
He can learn appropriate behavior for the classroom, and maybe the office.
Maybe, he can actually succeed in society.  (and make BIG BIG bucks like 
scientologists do)

BTW, do you have any experience with hyperactive children?  Worked with them or
know them/or their parents personally?  Know any children on Ritalin?  Have
children of your own, children in school?
>
>Wholesale, indiscriminate drugging of children isn't the answer to
>anything.

I agree. indiscriminate drugging of children isn't the answer.  Where is the
indiscriminate part? Does that mean that all drugs are evil?  That no one
should take drugs?

>
>What this has to do with the charter of this group is beyond me.
>
Well, ask Mr. Scientologist, John Hollyfield.  He started the thread.

>							spl
>-- 
>Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
>UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
>"If you don't think people are this crazy, you need to move to LA!"
>                                     - Gary Stollman


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