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From: curzon@trooa.enet.dec.com (Richard Curzon)
Subject: Re: Window Builder
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  1 SEP 92 11:02:45    

> 
>I have never used VWIN without WindowBuilder and Subpanes. I thought VWIN seemed
>at little too slow (I have a 386 25MHZ / 8MB Ram), and didn't suspect that it
>might have something to do with the additional burden of WB and Subpanes.
> 
>For application delivery, I wonder how difficult it would be to strip away all
>the development specific WindowBuilder and Subpanes code?
> 

I have never needed to seal off an image as a standalone product...but...

ST/V windows comes with instructions for sealing off an application.  WB
modifies the instructions a bit, but the main bulk of the WB classes would
not be removed as far as I can see.  Mostly the developer is expected to
simply remove the .DLL files related to development classes in Smalltalk.

I suppose you could build a tool yourself to trim down an image.  Something
that would take a list of classes that comprise your application, and let
the tool delete any class that is not invoked and is not a superclass....
sounds like an interesting idea (as long you don't mess with the system
classes ;-). 

There's also some code in the CIS Digitalk libraries to strip out the 
Senders information from an image, apparently that helps a bit. 

ST/V for PM (os/2) is said to be faster than ST/V Windows.  On CIS, 
Digitalk has said that future releases of ST/V Windows are supposed to
have true incremental compile to machine code like in OS/2.  So that may
alleviate our speed problems some day... 

                                Richard Curzon, Digital Equipment of Canada
				Toronto
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   (from COMPUSERVE)   71371,2521  OR  >INTERNET:curzon@trooa.ENET.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Window Builder
From: john@ahuriri.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: john@ahuriri.gen.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Organisation? Where?
X-Newsreader: Simple News for Windows V1.0

In article <1992Sep1.152047.16146@e2big.mko.dec.com> <1992Sep1.152047.16146@e2big.mko.dec.com> wrote:

  > ST/V windows comes with instructions for sealing off an application.  WB
  > modifies the instructions a bit, but the main bulk of the WB classes would
  > not be removed as far as I can see.  Mostly the developer is expected to

On the contrary, the WB runtime adds only a fraction of the size of the development
system.  Less than 100k as I recall.

cheers, John



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Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:00:13 MST
From:         Bor-Yea You <ASBYY@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sept ST irc conf transcript available

Could you please tell me what's the command to get it? Thanks.


Bor-Yea

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: irvine@ntmtv.UUCP (Chuck Irvine)
Subject: Re: Smalltalk/V Win questions
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:14:06 GMT

In article <l9qgbgINNsff@spim.mips.com>, rsage@mips.com writes:
|> I have a couple questions re: V/Win. I just got 2.0 and am doing the initial
|> analysis.
|> 
|> 1 - Which (if any) commercial applications available retail are written in
|> 	Smalltalk/V? (preferably V/Win)

Couldn't say about this. I'd like to know also.

|> 
|> 2 - Has anybody used Cooper & Peters Window Builder/V 2.0? (or previous 
|> 	versions) They are selling Window Builder & Subpanes for $199
|> 	bundled together until the end of August. From the fliers, it
|> 	looks like an indespensible interface builder.

It will save you lots and lots of time and pain, so, yes, I'd agree.
It is indespensible.

|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> russ
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: johnbu@comm.mot.com (John Buttitto)
Subject: X Runner on anything.
Organization: Motorola-LMPS
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:47:49 GMT

I am very interested in using the X-runner product and any problems people might have 
with the product. If anyone has any information related to X-runner please mail it to
me or if any information is around about test-runner I would like that also.

We are about to purchase these products and am very interested in problems people 
are having with using them on a Smalltalk environ.

Thanks
-- 
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contempt.  He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal
From: goodies-lib@cs.man.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Manchester Goodies Lib
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:52:11 GMT


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New:  Controller-poll_BugFix.st	2411	uiuc/st80_r41/Controller-poll_BugFix.st 
	 Fixes a race condition in Controller under R4.1 
	 -Bill Voss (voss@cs.uiuc.edu) R4.1 + none 
New:  DebuggerInitialSizeFixR41	3442	uiuc/st80_r41/DebuggerInitialSizeFixR41.st 
	 Tiny goodie fixes Debugger's tiny initial size. 
	 -Bill Voss <voss@cs.uiuc.edu> R4.1 + none 
New:  emacs-key-bindings	16382	misc/emacs-key-bindings.st 
	 some key bindings for the ParagraphEditor 
	 -Markus Geltz <geltz@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> 4.0  
New:  HierarchyInitialSizeFixR41	2265	uiuc/st80_r41/HierarchyInitialSizeFixR41.st 
	 Tiny goodie fixes the HierarchyBrowser's initial size. 
	 -Bill Voss (voss@cs.uiuc.edu) R4.1 + none 
New:  hotdraw	1392000	uiuc/st80_r4/hotdraw 
	 goodie mirrored from uiuc 
	 -alan 4  
New:  Instance-ClassR41	1097	uiuc/st80_r41/Instance-ClassR41.st 
	 Restore borders around >Instance >Class buttons. 
	 -Bill Voss (voss@cs.uiuc.edu) R4.1 + none 
New:  LabelTracker	5690	uiuc/st80_r41/LabelTracker.st 
	 Browser labels show class and method being displayed. 
	 -Bill Voss (voss@cs.uiuc.edu) R4.1 + none 
New:  OldstyleIcons	1005	uiuc/st80_r41/OldstyleIcons.st 
	 Restore the old pre-R4 simple style of icon. 
	 -Bill Voss (voss@cs.uiuc.edu) R4.0 + none 
New:  RDoItR41	23000	uiuc/st80_r41/RDoItR41 
	 UNIX command line DoIt, with X11 rootmenu Launcher example. 
	 -Bill Voss (voss@cs.uiuc.edu) R4.1 + utils/UnixSock.st Controller-poll_BugFix.st 
New:  SpawnHierarchyR41	1251	uiuc/st80_r41/SpawnHierarchyR41.st 
	 Tiny goodie adds a Spawn Hierarchy item to most browsers. 
	 -Bill Voss <voss@cs.uiuc.edu> R4.1 + none 
New:  T-gen	670000	uiuc/st80_r4/T-gen2.0 
	 A Smalltalk-80 Scanner/Parser Generator Tool 
	 -graver@comm.mot.com 4.0 + none 
New:  Tek-iconifyHackR4	14336	parc/parcbench/Tek-iconifyHackR4.st 
	 Fixes some problems with iconification 
	 -Mark Ballard (ballard@coquille.ico.tek.com) 4  
New:  usa	46000	uiuc/st80_r4/usa 
	 Map of 50 United States with Browser 
	 -benson@ee.washington.edu R4 + none 
New:  WindowsFontFix	2063	parc/parcbench/WindowsFontFix.st 
	 Fixes use of fonts under Microsoft Windows 
	 -ParcPlace 4.0
From: christb@infmuc (Christian Barmala)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: ODBC Interface
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:57:53 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

ODBC is a not a database, but an interface between MS-Windows applications
and various different databases. It is available as BETA release now.

Has anyone written an interface between Smalltalk (especially Smalltalk
V for Windows) and ODBC-Calls?
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: NeXT w/SmallTalk == Reality (was Re: Smalltalk for NeXT?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:18:03 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <9208280706.AA04567@holonet.net>  writes:
>>I was recently at ParcPlace taking (in their ST training) and there was a
>>rumor (hotly nocommented by the folks there) that they were working on a
>>NeXt virtual machine. My guess is that Digitalk has their hands full with
>>windows and windows NT development.
>>
>>
>>
>>--Bill Handley
>>Novice STalker

No rumor - I'm beta testin' the thing within two weeks.  This port is public  
knowledge (a la NeXTWORLD EXTRA ).  If this isn't a sign of the times - I don't  
know what is.  As far as I know it represents the first time an object-oriented  
development environment has been ported to another object-oriented development  
environment. Stay tooned.  
--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
From: podenski@bcsaic.boeing.com (Patrick Podenski)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Which coding technique is "correct"?
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:50:52 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <VOSS.92Aug28101424@laslo.cs.uiuc.edu> voss@cs.uiuc.edu (Bill Voss) writes:
>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:04:27 GMT, brent@uwovax.uwo.ca (Brent Sterner) said:
>
>>    This query relates to coding technique.  For those of you who have not
>> been following my beginners questions, I am doing the following:
>
>>    I have defined a generic object called a disk, and a subclass of disk
>> called RF72.  The capacity of disk is delegated to its subclasses.  I have
>> (at least) two ways of proceeding.
>
>>    a) define a class variable, Capacity, for each type of disk my system
>>       understands.  This was my first instinct as my understanding of st
>>       grows.  It feel "right" (perhaps since it was self brewed :-).
>
>>    b) A more sophisticated user suggested I may as well just use a constant.
>>       In other words, "aRF72 capacity" simply "^1954050".  This is simple,
>>       and avoids using a class variable at all, but it leaves me with an
>>       uneasy feeling that this may not be good coding practise.  On the other
>>       hand, who am I to judge?  I'm still a novice!
>
>>    Is there a preferred way to deal with this concept?  Or is is a matter
>> of personal taste?  How do *you* implement this sort of thing?   Thanks,  b.
>
>My first inclination would be to simply add an instance variable to
>class disk, and specify the disk size at instance creation.
>
>My second choice would be to create a subclass of disk for every kind
>of disk, in which case I would normally use a constant method to
>return the size.  (For floppy disk drives I'ld return 0 if the drive
>was empty, and ^(floppy capacity) if a disk was inserted.)
>
>I wouldn't use a class variable because the size seems to always be
>either static, or unique to the instance.  I can't think of any time I
>would want to change the capacity for all instances of the class at
>run time.  If you can think of such a case, then do use a class
>variable for that class.


Keep in mind that a class variable is shared by the root class and ALL
of the subclasses. This means that it can have only one value. If
the various Disk subclasses need to have their own capacity, then the
instance variable approach with the value set at initialization is the
better way to go. Of course in PP Smalltalk 80, you could also use
a class instance variable (aka metaclass variable).
From: christb@infmuc (Christian Barmala)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: triggers
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:16:49 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I've heared, that Smalltalk provides 'Triggers'. That is, procedures, that
are executed every time an Object changes its value, or reaches a certain
value. Is that true? Is that even true for Smalltalk V?
Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: haralds@ifi.unit.no
Subject: Re: Tigre for ST80 4.1
Organization: Ifi, University of Trondheim / AVH
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:40:46 GMT

In article <MSMITH.92Aug25085620@volcano.ma30.bull.com>
msmith@volcano.ma30.bull.com (Mike Smith) writes:
>
>Has anyone heard about Tigre's plans to support ST80 R4.1?  Do they
>plan a new release or will the old release run on top of R4.1?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Mike
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>
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>
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>

Just rumors:

Tigre / ST80 4.1 will come in a wrapping called
VisualWorks including SQL-server binding.

harald

Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: johnson@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ralph Johnson)
Subject: very large fonts
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:02:57 GMT

I'm teaching a Smalltalk course and am projecting the display of a
Smalltalk-80 session on a screen.  Large font is not large enough.
Does anybody know what to do to get very large fonts?  I assume that
I will have to find some fonts somewhere and load them into the
image.  I'm not a font mavin; I know how to change fonts on a Mac
and that is about it.  Are there tools for importing X fonts?

I'm using R 4.1, in case that helps.

Ralph Johnson -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: tigre@netcom.com (Jordan Bortz)
Subject: Re: Tigre for ST80 4.1
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:50:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

haralds@ifi.unit.no writes:

>Just rumors:

>Tigre / ST80 4.1 will come in a wrapping called
>VisualWorks including SQL-server binding.

>harald


Tigre will continue to be sold separately, and not bundled with any
ParcPlace offering as of the time of this writing.


	Jordan
-- 
Jordan Bortz, tigre@netcom.com 408 427 4900
From: mjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark S. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: ST/V Unix: What's the latest?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:45:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mechanical Engrg. Dept., California Poly. State U., SLO

WHEN is ST/V Unix scheduled for release?
(or is it total vaporware?)

WHAT are the first targeted platforms?

Thanks,
Mark

-- 
Mark S. Johnson        mjohnson@stn9.me.calpoly.edu      (129.65.19.9)
From: christb@infmuc (Christian Barmala)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Smalltalk V-Windows
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:03:16 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Has anyone a good idea how to parse the win.ini-file with smalltalk.
This file should contain a section:

[myapplication]
option1=xx
option2=yy
option3=zz

Obiously there are many ways to serch for this section, but how is
is done best in Smalltalk-V?
Thank you, Christian Barmala
From: latta@scam.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ for this group ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:38:00
Organization: Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com's message of 2 Sep 92 00:51:17 GMT


	Al Dykes (adykes@jpradley.jpr.com) writes:

> If there is an FAQ for this group can someone please tell me where
> it is.

	Yes, there is. It is available via ftp as
anonymous@xcf.berkeley.edu:smisc/smalltalk/FAQ/FAQ.entire, or via
email to smallmusic-request@xcf.berkeley.edu with the subject line
"request for FAQ". xcf.berkeley.edu has IP address 128.32.138.1. It
will be posted here properly soon.


-C

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From: peterg@netcom.com (Peter Goodall)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Smalltalk for NeXT ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:04:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

johnson@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ralph Johnson) writes:

>The rumour *I* heard was that ParcPlace ported Smalltalk to the NeXT
>years ago.  It supposedly only takes them a few days to get it running
>on a new Unix machine.  They can then spend weeks or months tweaking it to
>make it faster, but the real cost comes if they try to make it a product.
>Having it be a product means that they have to have at least a quarter of
>a person assigned to maintain it.  In addition, the NeXT has a somewhat
>higher standard of "compatability" than other Unix machines, so they would
>have to do more work to make NeXT users happy.  

>Unfortunately, they decided (and probably correctly) that they couldn't
>make any money off of the NeXT because there were so few commercial
>users.  So, they put the whole thing on hold.  It is possible that
>they have reevaluated things and decided that there is now a market
>for it.  Of course, only ParcPlace really knows.  This is just speculation.

When I was at Object World in SF recently a PPS person said the Next and 
OS/2 2.0 versions  were expected to be released in November.

Peter Goodall
Xref: sparky comp.lang.smalltalk:1744 comp.os.os2:290
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.os.os2
Subject: Re: Digitalk Smalltalk/V286 and OS/2
Keywords: smalltalk
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:58:59 GMT
Followup-To: comp.lang.smalltalk
Distribution: na
Organization: CERFnet

In article <1992Aug29.170454.18087@cs.tu-berlin.de> muhr@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Muhr) writes:

>You are not the only one still using ST/V 286. I do once and a while
>stir up the discussion of further supporting it. Digitalk let it fall
>and has concentrated on Windows. 
                         ^^^^^^^

I'd say that they've concentrated on PM more than windows. The PM
product is, in terms of the compilation technology, far ahead of the
windows product, even though I know that they sell more windows
product that they do PM. Perhaps the 10% 'IBM share' in Digitialk
might have something to do with it ..... :-)

Personally I feel that digitalk is missing a lot of opportunities
in the windows market.

Mike

Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: johnson@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ralph Johnson)
Subject: Re: Smalltalk for NeXT ?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:32:34 GMT

The rumour *I* heard was that ParcPlace ported Smalltalk to the NeXT
years ago.  It supposedly only takes them a few days to get it running
on a new Unix machine.  They can then spend weeks or months tweaking it to
make it faster, but the real cost comes if they try to make it a product.
Having it be a product means that they have to have at least a quarter of
a person assigned to maintain it.  In addition, the NeXT has a somewhat
higher standard of "compatability" than other Unix machines, so they would
have to do more work to make NeXT users happy.  

Unfortunately, they decided (and probably correctly) that they couldn't
make any money off of the NeXT because there were so few commercial
users.  So, they put the whole thing on hold.  It is possible that
they have reevaluated things and decided that there is now a market
for it.  Of course, only ParcPlace really knows.  This is just speculation.
From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: ST/V-PM 1.4: problems ... :-)
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:52:49 GMT
Organization: Private Site

Just a little question:

Within the book  "Rel 1.3 Progr. Handbook Supplement and Developer's
Guide" of this product they explain how to deliver a product just by calling
v.exe:

One has to change the method "startUpApplication" of NotificationManager
and add a close-method in my subclass of the ViewManager representing my
application. The code for the "close"-message can be read on page 151 of
this little book.

Well, I tried it. Start v.exe, my application starts also ... but then
close it again: my application window went away and the process of v.exe
was blocked. (I could see this via the pstat command of OS/2). I had to
kill the process by hand!

Then I looked at the example puzzle15 and there they tried a different
way:

They insert a

  when: #close perform: #close: 

to the top view in the opening message of the application and the
"close:" method had nearly the same code as the "close"-method mentioned
in the book.

Trying this way with my application and it worked correctly ...

 MF

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2300 Kiel 14,    Kieler Str. 29,   Tel.: 0431-731916,
From: xu@neuro.psycha.upenn.edu (Song Xu)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Smalltalk opportunities (with FAX number correction)
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:51:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia

Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Smalltalk Opportunities (with FAX number correction)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia
Keywords: 

Please do not response to this account.

=========================================================================

Small, growing, advanced software engineering firm needs consultants for
challenging Smalltalk projects.  Clients are Wall Street financial
institutions.

Experience with Parc Place Smalltalk is strongly preferred.  Experience
with Unix and distributed system is a plus.

	Send or FAX Resume to :
		Computer Command & Control Company
		2300 Chestnut St.
		Suite 230
		Philadelphia, PA 19103
		Phone: 215-854-0555
		FAX:   215-854-0555
From: mjb@netcom.com (Martin Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: FYI: a couple of ST meetings
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:01:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Here's a couple of items I ran across


The Toronto User Group has scheduled the following meetings:

Tuesday September 8.  Speaker to be finalised.
Tuesday October  27.  Feedback from OOPSLA.
Tuesday December  8.  Pick, drag and drop. Speaker Mark Williams.

All future sessions are expected to feature a topic/speaker followed by an
open forum.  Meetings begin 7:30 p.m. at the KEG restaurant North-East corner
of the Sheppard Centre (Yonge & Sheppard) with an optional beer.  At 8 p.m.
sharp we move to the Office of Mark Winter and Associates in the office tower
of the same building.  Due to security considerations, latecomers cannot be
accomodated.

Newcomers are asked to contact:
John Slaman (416) 882-5000 Extension 115 or
Charles Dow (416) 965-1160 Extension 4354 or
Mark Williams & Associates (416) 250-8447 to ensure adequate seating.

****

The Boston Smalltalk User Group (BSMUG) will be meeting on Tuesday,
the first of September at SYSTEM ANALYSIS in Wellesley at 7:30
pm.

  Address : 10 Laurel Ave
                  Wellesley

Take 128 to Rt 16 West.  Drive 2 mi and drive over Rt 9.
1/2 mi later on left is Laurel Ave.  See glass building.
Try both ground level doors.  One may be locked.

-- 

                                   - mjb -

                                mjb@netcom.com