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From: B7IW%MUSICB.MCGILL.CA@VM1.MCGILL.CA (B7IW000)
Subject: Re: S&T teacher salary
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent Gateway
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:01:27 GMT

Subject: Re: Salary for instructor

Khun Anuchit wrote:

>..........................  No other country is sleeping.  If we don't
>get into good shape and start running to the cutting edge of technology now,
>we may never have a chance to catch up with others.  We can't afford to
>wait any longer (for equilibrium to occur slowly or natually). There are many
>countries which once started at the same point as Thailand (some behind
>Thailand) but now they are far ahead.  Seeing others should make one realize
>that it is science and technology that makes a country strong and brings
>better living standard.  Make a leap now or wait for death.

YES, YES, YYYYES ! It's exactly what we should do NOW. We're now entering an
era of economics war. Our weapons are of course science and technology. If our
weapons do not match the others, we should not expect to gain anything.

about the salary of the S&T teacher

>............   A easier solution is to restructure the S&T school which is
>already in a university so that it has more freedom, more independent from
>the central administration or has its own salary/funding structure.

This is a good idea. In fact, it has been done in the university where I'm
studying now (McGill University, Dept. of Metall. Eng.). To get a salary from
the university, the professors have to teach UG. and Grad's courses. At the
same time, the department has formed a center called Metal Processing Center
which is run independently from the university by a team of Profs. The aim of
this center is to conduct research works and provide technical consultant to
both private and gov. sectors. By doing this, the profs. can then have an
extra source of income.

The structure of the center consists of Profs., Post Doctoral fellows, grad.
students, Lab. managers, technicians, and secretaries. The management of the
center is private-like which is more flexible and faster than the department
itself.

The direction of the research works is controlled by a demand from the private
sectors and how creative the teams are. The private sector may raise some
problems to the center which will be solved by grad. students and their
supervisors. Based on this relationship, the center may have another creative
idea to suggest further works to the company or another sector that may be
interested. The relationship b/w center and the private sectors keeps going on
like this for years now which proves that this excellent idea works.

Do it now or being a loser for generations.

Wittaya La-orchan.

McGill Metals Processing Center,
Dept. of Mining and Metallurgical Engineering,
McGill University, Montreal, Canada.
B7IW@MUSICB.McGILL.CA.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:46:10 EDT
From: Liz Rumsey (Sec.5) <EAR108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Is Thailand All Politics?

I am a student at Penn State University, and I just happened to find this
netnews file in my menu.  I was born in Thailand to a Thai mother and a
"farang" father.  The only thiing I know about Thailand is what my mother
tells me of it, what I see on the news, and now what I read on my computer.
All I hear about is politics and demonstrations and uproars in a country I
was taken away from when I was still a child.  I was wondering if anyone was
intrested in posting some cultural or aesthetic subjects so that I and
others can learn of them from your knowledge.  Of course, I know Thai
economics and politics are very important, but how about something different
and maybe a little pleasant.  I would like to hear from anyone who is
interested in some of the more finer things of Thailand (religion, art,
music, festivals, holidays).  --Liz Rumsey, University Park
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: War and Peace
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:49:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.141709.15996@lut.ac.uk> (Thomas Mc Neill) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.170030.4449@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
>bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> To have an artificial peace is no more or less dangerous than a real war. 
>> >> Reasonable conflicts need not be bad.
>> >
>> >There's no such thing as a reasonable conflict.
>> >
>> Don't you think we're now having a reasonable conflict?  It comes with
>> difference of opinions about certain things.  Maybe you think you're the
>> only correct person.  Smart people know how to manage conflicts, I believe.
>
>I was reading conflict as meaning some sort of limited war. Which I think
>is never reasonable. I mean the idea of people losing their lives to keep
>their respective governments in position's of power is really not on. Just
>my opinion of course.
>
>Tom Mc Neill
>Loughborough University
>Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
>Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk


No, that's not what I mean by the term "conflict".  There's no reason to
die for anything.  Any conflict that may cause death is unreasonable
conflict.  

On the other hand, there are so many conflicts in this world that are
managable and should be promoted even.  Would you deny that conflicts that
happen in many administrative environments many times lead to innovations?
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Made in Thailand [2]
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:19:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sep8ac600iV0Q5ZUZq
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Thailand's Export of Air Conditioners has been expanding at a high rate
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    During the first four months of this, Thailand's export of air
conditioners totalled 2.32 billion bath, about 70.9 percent increased
from the same period last year.  It is expected that a target of 7.5
billion baht for this export item can be reached for this year.

    The department of Business Economics reports that Japan has been the
biggest market for Thailand's air conditioners and components.  In 1991,
Thailand exported 1.905 billion bath worth of the product, more than
doubling the figure of 1990.  This represented 38.6 percent of the
country's export of air conditioners and components for that year.

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Source    :    Office of the Information Attache
               Royal Thai Embassy
               4250 Connecticut Av. N.W.
               Suite 260
               Washington, D.C. 20008
               Tel. No. (202) 667-3108

Posted by

Schitt(DJ)  Laowattana

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Current Address in USA:

Department of Mechanical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15217
USA
Tel. No. 268-8880
Fax. No. 268-3348
e-mail: sl2k@andrew.cmu.edu


Permanent Address in Thailand:

Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO)
King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Thonburi
91 Suksawasd 48  Ratburana  Bangmod
Bangkok 10140, Thailand

Tel. No. 428-3374, 427-4421 and 4270151-9 Ext. 461
Fax. No. 427-8077, 427-8787

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From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Amnesty Decree Annulledd
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:15:09 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I just heard on the BBC news that parliament in Thailand has 
unanimously voted to annul the amnesty decree granted to 
those involved in the May events.

They said, however, that the legality of prosecuting those 
responsible was not clear.

And they added that the number of missing is now "over 200". 
Is that  right? Last I had heard, it was over 500. Has the 
list be reduced that much? (I want above all to avoid saying 
"only" 200! A list of one would be one too many.)

			-- Seamus Cooney
From: suntich@atlantic.cps.msu.edu (M Suntichaikul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Salary for instructor
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:37:55 GMT
Reply-To: suntich@ee.msu.edu
Organization: EE Department, Michigan State University

In article <IeqNqq_00WBK42c191@andrew.cmu.edu>, Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

...............................[ stuff deleted ] ...........................
|> 
|>     2. It's not a matter of how "loog mia noi" instructors in other
|> fields are.   This time around, the government must think about a logic
|> of demand-supply.  S&T intructors in Thailand are really in bad shape.
|>

      Demand-supply will be recoverd by social equilibrium not only by pushing
the "thrashing" efforts. 
 
|>     3. To avoid such a conflict in (2), isolation of S&T universities,
|> perhaps, is an optimized solution.  That is S&T universities are more
|> flexible to work with industry (R&D and consulting jobs) and are allowed
|> to balance their budget.  These universities must find external sources
|> of income to support highly qualified personel by their own. 
|> 
     
     I don't think S&T universities are independent themselves solely on subjects
of S & T. There are several courses offered to students in the basic of
humanity and social science, economics, etc. to balance their knowledge and
percieve global comminity. What's happen if students study only techinical 
courses? Secondly, if S & T universities also provide such non S & T courses,
How much salary will be given for instructors in such areas? 
 

-----
Montree Suntichaikul

suntich@ee.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: B7IW%MUSICB.MCGILL.CA@VM1.MCGILL.CA (B7IW000)
Subject: Re: R&D expenditure
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent Gateway
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:02:28 GMT

Khun Schitt wrote about Public R&D Expenditure:

>In view of the fact that Thailand is industrializing, the increasingly
>important roles of industrial sector in the Thai economy and the fact
>that there is virtually no R&D activity in the private sector, the
>figure should really be elevated to around 0.75%.

I think 0.75% is still low. There is no doubt that R&D is an important
key for industrialize country. Who would want to buy your product if it
doesn't have something "special" than the other. This "special" thing is
of course the work of R&D personel. This simple fact can be told to the
Thai people, and I beleive that if they are well informed, they would love
to let the government spend more money on R&D. If those MP don't agree with
this idea, the people will know whom should they elected in the next election.
I would love to see the figure goes up to more than 2.0% This money,
we can get from the military budget that should be cut down since we don't
have any communism threat anymore. We're entering an economics now. Our
soldiers are the commercial sector, and our secret weapon is this R&D. The
money that we used to spend for guns and grenades should be given to the R&D.


>....................  By the end of 1987 the STDB has supported 6 R&D
>projects on materials technology but there is none on metal processing.
>This is rather surprising in view of the importance of metals in
>technology and industrial developments.  More money must therefore be
>allocated for R&D in materials, particularly at the initial stage in
>order that the infrastructure and R&D facilities be established.

I'm very surprise about this too. If we want to improve our NIC status, ie.
to improve the standard living of the POOR people in Thaland, one thing that
we should do is to be able to make cheaper metals products, and use it
efficiently. I don't have an exact figure of how much the country consume
these materials, but I think it should be worth billions bahts/year.
Imagine, how much money we can save, and we can probably earn some by selling
to our neighbors, if we have technology to do so. I hope we should concentrate
on metals processing technology in the next stage of R&D.

Running after the other is not independent,
"Thai" = independent,
Running after the other is not "Thai".

Wittaya La-orchan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: VOTE for soc.culture.thai.godfrey
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:41:32 GMT

I was looking for the newsgroup, soc.culture.thai.godfrey, but could not
find. Probably, it has not yet been set up. Meanwhile, let me post my
talking about Mr. Godfrey's posts via you, Khun Thanachart. When the
s.c.t.g is officially opened for all then please repost the following 
forwarded articles by or on Mr. Godfrey's for me.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Sense of Humour (no apologies for British spelling here)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:05:00 GMT

Do Singaporeans have a sense of humour?  I have seen absolutely no
evidence for any in the mails I have received, and I recall when
shopping in a mall there that shop assistants are incapable of laughing
at jokes.  Perhaps it is just a different sense of humour.  I know that
the Thai, for example, do not understand sarcasm, but it seems that 
Singaporeans do not understand any western forms at all.

Could anyone who is still talking to me on this network please translate
a Singaporean joke so that I can understand what does make them laugh
(I guess that they do laugh there).

Laurence

[My comments:]

This posting of mine is not a sarcasm since I am a Thai. I should not be able
to understand it.

**********************************************************************


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Sense of Humour (no apologies for British spelling here)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:34:25 GMT

In article <8OCT199218055794@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>Do Singaporeans have a sense of humour?  I have seen absolutely no

Eeeekkkk Do you have any sense of humor? The last time a make 
a pun out of your name you cried foul.  I should say what you write 
is not humor but sacarsm and cynicism.


>From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
>Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
>Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:24:00 GMT
>
[ irrelevant stuff removed..]
>
>Is it true that there is a law against wearing dirty underwear in your
>advanced country too?  Or for allowing your dick to hang on the wrong
>side of your zipper?
>
>Laurence

........... stuff deleted.............

Why don't we, Thais, laugh here? Otherwise, it will be true as Mr. Godfrey
observes, that we don't have sense of humor. 

BTW, Khun John (Cronin), wouldn't you want to do anything with this case?
You have successfully made the guy from Chicago to apologize of using
inappropriate words in the net. Don't you want to try with Mr.Godfrey?
(Just kidding! Don't know why I am often amused lately. Begin to understand
sarcasm, probably!)
From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Please be patient.
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:18:05 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

I do not know who you are. One thing I know is that you were going too far.
Your behavior is very rude. It is not correct that if you do not
like someone or disagree with someone and then you act like what
you have done. The more you response to the rudeness with rudeness,
the more misunderstanding and the worse the problem is.

Please be reasonable and patient. If you can not be optimistic,
try ignoring. At least, your action did not make any good impression.
It just show how primitive we are, both mind and intelligence.

Sunchai Nilsuwankosit
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Production of metal-based products in Thailand
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:59:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.serKhDi00iV0Q1BlNU
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from mail: 15-Oct-92 Re: R&D expenditure by B7IW000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA 
> efficiently. I don't have an exact figure of how much the country consume
> these materials, but I think it should be worth billions bahts/year.

Sawatdee Krub Khun Wittaya,

    The table below suppports your points.

Regards,
Schitt  laowattana



                Production of Metal-based products in Thailand

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Sector                    1980        1985        1986        1987
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Basic metal products      3,732       3,833       3,290       3,418
Fabricated products       4,002       6,458       6,733       7,606
Machinery                 3,751       5,789       6,263       6,920
Electric machinery        3,460       6,136       7,862       9,452
Transport equipment      11,656      11,327      12,098      15,405
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
unit: million baht.
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re:     White trash
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:54:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <92282.170609U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>                    writes...
>This is a direct message to Mister Laurence.
> 
>Mr. Laurence,
> 
>          I think you're just a typical loud, obnoxious white nerd.
>     You're lucky that I have a very little time to rip on you.
>     You're the type of people that gave white people a bad name.
>     It seems like you're so intelligent, but you know what I think
>     you're lack of????  COMMON SENSE!!!! Next time, you should
>     think of what saying before open up your big mouth. This
>     way you don't create so many enemies.
>^                       ***
>^                     *     *      Go suck on this finger. Ba..by.
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>^        A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS!

I like to hear from someone with something sensible and mature to say in
response to my mails.  Your eloquence leaves a little to be desired and
I regret that I cannot take your advice.  

What makes you think I care if i create enemies?  When you grow up you
will realize that everyone with anything worth saying creates enemies,
but the enemies are mostly people like yourself who don't have the brain
to argue.  Not all of them, mind you, I've acquired some quite intelligent enemies
through my correspondence with this group.  Sadly, you're not one of them.

Incidentally, I doubt that your mental picture of me coresponds even 
slightly with the truth

Laurence
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 13:48:54 CDT
From: <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject:    Godfree's World

Yes, I agree with you, man. Professor Schit's posting is getting kind
of boring. So..., why don't you post it up? I would love to read your
phd feces or fetus.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: VOTE for soc.culture.thai.godfrey
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:18:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.005820.20426@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda) writes:
>Hi Everyone:
>
> I thought that the dispute between Khun Godfrey and other neters is over.
> This morning, I was very glad to see one neter posted a appologize letter.

I believe everyone is glad to see that the fight was over. 

> But it is not over yet, Khun Godfrey again posted another issue regarding
> to his bad impression in Chieng Mai. I didn't read most of it, but I guess
> that it will be another controversial issue.

Don't you think that he has the right to express what he believes.  If it
doesn't make sense to you, just ignore it.  That is what freedom of express
is all about.  

Yes, Godfred's articles are controversial and some (actually many) of them
seem to be childish, but it also reflects what a farang (or farangs) thinks
and experiences in Thailand.  Do you want to listen only to good things
about Thailand?  Sincere criticism and open-mindedness are essential parts 
of a good relationship/interaction especially between different cultures. 

I am not trying to defend Godfred's arguments (I disagree with him in many
places).  I just don't want see something like "this is my place.  this
is my territory.  go away.  you shouldn't come into my territory.  you
must not criticise me if you wish to be in here."  (I know that saying
somthing like this is not popular in this newsgroup,  but we've got to
be fair.) 

Controversial issues are usually important issues otherwise they won't
be controversial.  

> ... and please post only stuff related to soc.culture.thai. 

People post to this newgroup because they think what they post is related
to soc.culture.thai.  Write down a rule, if you can, for deciding
what is related to s.c.t. and what is not.  It is a matter of personal 
judgement. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Re: White trash
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:48:36 GMT

tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell) writes:
: In article <92283.213007U45923@uicvm.uic.edu> U45923@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
: >I agree with the guy (U21729) who agrees with the guy (u27876) who agrees with
: > the guy (U25256) who posted the original White trash.  
: 
: i DON'T agree with any of these readers from uicvm.uic.edu because none of
: them are brave enough to post their names.
: 
: Laurence is a friend of mine.  Actually, I am too shy to use his writing style
: but look at the benefits.  now how many readers names do you know?  and how
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I also know Pol Pot's name. And indeed, much of the media attention now
received by Cambodia is due to his efforts.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai