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From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: cat >> faq
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:32:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <16573@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> igor@charles.ucdavis.edu writes:
>here's a faq for you list-starters, as it seems there isn't one
>in place yet for this group.  
>
>i have hated macs, just for the record, since their inception
>due to their mysterious user interface which sacrifices direct
>control and knowledge of the cpu's workings for a tv-like, 
>channel-switching mindlessness mode of operation.  i'm not a mac
>person, i really hate the ibm lionfood community, and have even
>given up reading comp.sys.apple2 as apple seems to've largely
>abandoned the line for the greater profits to be gotten from the
>ignorant mac masses.  but a friend has a powerful one, and i
>wanna get him telecomputing.  so, here goes:
>
>how does one hook a mac2 serial (rs422) port to the ol' 25-pin
>rs-232-c on so many a-modem?  is it different than the older macs?
>there's a file on it at apple's ftp site, but it was written by
>someone not at apple, in '89, and is itself poorly written in 
>parts.  anyone know what "we fan out the end of the (stranded)
>wire into a little umbrella around the head of the pin, then we
>solder all around" is getting at in that gweeb document?  thanx
>oh so much in advance for all who will help with this.
>
>better yet... anyone got some extra cables for din8<->DB25 ??

Ahem.

Fuck you.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing

Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: louis@well.sf.ca.us (Louis Jaffe)
Subject: Re: Powerbook screen life
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:25:41 GMT

I'm still using a 5 year old DOS laptop with an early-type LCD screen, and
while it has lost a little contrast, it's still basically fine.  In general,
I think LCDs have a reasonable life expectancy, certainly on a par with
hard disks.  It's true, however, that if the LCD fails and you're out of
warranty, the replacement cost is usually so exhorbitant that you might,
in fact, have to junk the computer.

LJ
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PB100 2/20+FD $699 at CitiDollar
Date: 4 Sep 1992 01:19:24 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu



>>Can Someone post the phone number for Citidollar orders?
> 
>Try the 800 number on the back of the card.

	information gave me: 1-800-234-2484

	now what's a city dollar and how do I get them?
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From: cragaisi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris)
Subject: SE/30 for sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:01:11 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend, so please don't respond to me.
 
Macintosh SE/30 (2 years old) with 5MB RAM, 40MB Quantum internal hard drive,
internal superdrive, standard keyboard, mouse, and targus carrying case.  Your
choice of system included.  $1850.00
 
Call Dana Rosebrook at (303) 773-6900 during the day, or (303) 290-8654 in
the evenings.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek)
Subject: Question about dead drive
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:24:49 GMT

I have a dead 80MB Seagate drive.

When the Mac tries to access the drive, it sounds like the drive
slows down (that is, the operating sound dips in pitch--just like a
motor with an increased load).

My question is, can anyone tell from this symptom whether it's the
drive mechanism itself or the box (power supply, etc.) that's gone
south?  (If I knew, I could buy either a new box or an internal
drive.)

a T d H v A a N n K c S e


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: darylb@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Daryl Biberdorf)
Subject: Re: PowerBook battery life & AC
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:19:05 GMT


Regarding the "memory" effect in NiCd batteries, there is a do-it-yourself
article in this month's _73_ magazine (a mag for amateur radio types)
on how to build a box to restore NiCd batteries back to normal.

I don't know the exact issue date, but mine arrived in the mail 3 days
ago.

Daryl
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From: terjer@ifi.unit.no (Terje Rydland)
Subject: Re: Using Two Screens
Organization: Ifi, University of Trondheim / AVH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 07:23:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.235407.28352@gtephx.UUCP> patfieldk@gtephx.UUCP (Kevin M.
Patfield) writes:
>Anyone found good ways to use that 29 sq in of useful real-estate?
>Perhaps I should consider letting it as advertising space!

I use it for system windows for easy access to the filesystem, so that
I can keep the application windows on the main screen.

And of course it is nice if you need a very wide spreadsheet or some
other document  that needs to be wide.

Terje Rydland

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mantolov@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Michael Antolovich)
Subject: Multi-platform Postscript Printers
Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:31:01 GMT

Well, I'm after a postscript printer that will support more than one
platform (specifically, Mac, IBM, and Amiga).  We currently have a TI
OmniLaser 2108.  It is in very bad shape (text fuzzy, blacks are patchy
etc)  I don't know whether the machine was simply abused too long or the
printer just isn't capable of 'good' quality print (comparable to a
LaserWriter IINT ?).  
	The choices we have so far is the new LaserWriter IIg (or IIf)
or an OKI  OL840 (cheap, but haven't seen it print yet)
	What I would like to know, is :-
What is the OKI like ?  Do you know of any other postscript printers
that are useful ?
	I like the auto port switching capability of the Apples (the IIg
is nice since it can be relatively easily EtherNeted.  Is there software
to support EtherTalk on a PC with an EtherNet card ?)
	Do the Apples have a parallel port or only serial ? 
	Are there other printers out there with auto port switching etc
(other emulations can also be useful, but not mandatory).
			Thanks,
			Michael

PS e-mail would be appreciated, I can summarise if it is sufficiently
requested.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Powerbook screen life
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:31:52 GMT

Instead of worrying about brightness level try obtaining the 'Backlight Control' control panel from ftp.apple.com directory dts/util perhaps?
Purpose is to turn of the backlight after an interval of keyboard and mouse 
inactivity.  Interval is variable, mouse movement turns on light (probably
a key press does too.)

I tried it.  It works even though it's version 1.0a1 or so...

Dale
parkyn@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Subject: RE: First boot after powerup fails
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:38:57 GMT

Uh oh!  My company Mac IIcx has been doing the same thing - except for the sad 
Mac and number part.  I never tried that way of starting.

We replaced the logic board.  No fix.  We reseated the cards and connectors. 
No fix.  Installed a new System (7).  No fix.  Reformatted the HD.  No fix. 
Re-installed all the applications.  No fix.  

Finally, they replaced the 105 Quantum hard drive with an 80Mb, and
re-installed all the backed up software.  So far, that has basically fixed the 
problem.

Have you heard of the new Aliens 4 virus?  SOunds like the kind of weird
problems you'd get with it...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jimy@banach.ece.wisc.edu (Jim K. H. Yu)
Subject: Re: Surge Protectors
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:56:57 CDT

In article <MITCHELL.92Aug26081658@coltrane.linus.mitre.org> mitchell@linus.mitre.org (Richard B. Mitchell) writes:
>
>I just bought a Mac and need to get a surge protector.  As far as I
>can tell, the only way to rate surge protectors is the number of
>breakers, the number of outlets, and the level at peaks that it can
>Handle.  I have one now from Egghead that can handle spikes of up to
>13,000 volts and can take a maximum of 15 amps for all of the outlets.
>I know that it all depends on where you live, but I was wondering it
>this is sufficient.  I have a Mac Quadra 700, E Machines I, and an HP
>Deskwriter.
>
There are other parameters to consider in a surge protector, such
as the response time (in ns) and the energy that it can absorb (in Joules).
Cosmetic features include activity LEDs and a reset switch.

Jim
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Diff between MacFG24x & PrecisionColor24x
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:17:14 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes:
: Hi everybody,
: 
: I was told that NEC MacFG 24x was actually designed, and perhaps
: manufactured, by Radius.
: 
: Therefore, I would like to know the difference
: between NEC MacFG 24x and Radius PrecisionColor 24x.  Can
: any kind soul cast some light on this for me?

  While we are on it. I've read in MacUser (i can post the exact reference)
a tip from a reader that the NEC MacFG 8x (and the  Radius PrecisionColor 8x)
can display 24 bits color if they are stuffed with VRAM. It seems they have
enough sockets for 2 MB of VRAM. But i didn't read any "official" answer for
the claim that only difference between the 8x and the 24x cards was the VRAM.
: 
: Hint: I know Radius guru technical guy is monitoring this 
: news group?

 Well, i hope he'll give us an answer :-).
: 
: Thanks for any information.

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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Daystar Powercache (need info...)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:41:13 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Aug28.051124.19532@IRO.UMontreal.CA> charestm@IRO.UMontreal.CA
(Martin Charest) writes:
>              I consider to buy an accelerator for my Mac IIci, and i'm
>thinking about the 50 Mhz PowerCache from Daystar.  Before to put some 2000$
>on this product, i want to know if there are problems or incompatibility 
>with system 7, or other bad things about this card.  Are there anybody
>who haved problems with it?
>But above all, is the mean increase of speed so significant? How many times
>faster could i expect from it?  Is this a good purchase? 

We have four of them. It'll make your IIci about as fast as a IIfx.
Installation is incredibly simple and the board is compatible with
*everything*.

Of course, DayStar's going to introduce a 68040 PowerCache in the next few
months...

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: js12@newshost.gte.com (john schettino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Disadvantages of System 7 (How about Advantages!?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:23:17 GMT
Reply-To: js12@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

One advantage for us 2-mac + deskwriter(appletalk) folks:

Instant no-hassle networks at home! 

A must for the powerbook+base mac group (just about every PB
owner has a desktop mac, right?) Great if you are (like me) the 'at home'
sysadmin for the computer center :)

Oh yea, and virtual memory works great for us. We just got
a hand scanner+OCR+digital darkroom, and even with 8mb ram
we were tight running all that plus framemaker. Upped VMem
to 12mb, everything is now all roomy and no problems (*slight
delay moving between apps, but MUCH faster than the quit/restart
cycle*)

Anyway, it works for me. I'm glad apple is enhancing the MacOS.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:16208 comp.sys.mac.misc:15707
From: lapoint@adm.brl.mil (Claude Lapointe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PB100 4/40
Keywords: modem, battery
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:29:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD.


Just bought subject machine from Price Club @ $899, including
1.4M floppy drive. I already have a Plus (vanilla 1Meg version,
except it has 4meg RAM, 1 external floppy, 1 external 40Meg HD)
running 6.0.7, and I bought my college student daughter a IIcx 5/80
running sys 7.

I bought the PB to protect against exhaustion of the supply, but may
end up returning it - haven't even opened the box yet.

Can I connect the PB100 to a modem?

Can it run plugged into a wall socket, thereby not depleting the
batteries?

Can the floppy drive provided therewith be used with my Plus
(sys 6... or 7?) or my daughter's IIcx?

How many lines and columns can the screen display, say, in the default
teachtext font? In the default 9 point font?

General comments about PB100 utility?

Thanks.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:15918 comp.sys.mac.misc:15406
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: HELP with connecting MACs to DOS
From: karim@ecst.csuchico.edu (Karim B. Sanjabi)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:30:36 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

I have a IISi on a desk right beside a 386 clone.  I was wondering
what solutions anyone has as to connecting them.  I mainly want to just
share files etc. without having to deal with floppy disk, mac-transfer type
solutions.  I am very interested in all of my options.  Thanks.

      KARIM  (please e-mail replies so the net doesn't have to listen)
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: How much should I offer for a Mac Portable?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:04:47 +1200
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9965@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, brendan@cs.uq.oz.au (Brendan Mahony) writes:
> The Portable seems to be getting uniformly bad press, but it does have
> its strong points which make it very good as a remote use computer, as
> opposed to a portable computer.
>
> It has one of the best LCD screens around, so it can be used for long
> periods.

Every time somebody came by when I was with my boss in his office, I'd ask
him to sit with his back to a brightly-lit window, just so we could show
the visitor how readable the screen was!

> It has a battery life of around 8 hours, so it can be used for long
> periods away from the mains power.

This only applies to the original Portable. When they brought in the
backlighting (because users didn't want their offices bright enough to
read an ordinary sheet of paper) and "pseudo-static RAM" (to avoid the
cost of real SRAM), those features cut into the battery life somewhat.
I don't think you'll get 8 hours from those later Portables.

> If your requirement is for a computer you can use away from the main
> grids, then the MacPortable is a very good buy. If you just want
> something you can easily carry from point to point the PB100 is a good
> buy.
>
> I think you should be looking at roughly similar prices for both, though
> the Portable has a much more expensive screen.

*Beautiful* screen! Though it had to be replaced about three times in the
first 6-8 months my boss had the machine--a whole row of pixels would
suddenly die. We certainly made full use of that one-year warranty...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
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From: jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Hamilton Slye)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Keeping Syquest cartridge in drive...
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oebt=ay00Uh7A1dWYf
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>Just have my shiny new 88MB Syquest drive and it works beautifully. However
>the info that comes with it mentions that you shouldn't leave the cartridge
>in the drive when you witch it off. My plan was to treat the thing pretty
>much like an extra HD and leave the same cartridge in there all the time,
>except for backups and stuff I rarely access. Is this business about not
>leaving the cartridge in the drive serious, or just scare talk. I don't
>plan to even move the drive when it's powered off, but still has a
>cartridge in it, let alone drop it or such.
> 
>Maynard Handley 

Here's my guess:

If you leave the cartridge in there it will remain open with the heads
inside. The chance for actually getting dust inside the cartridge is
probably greater.
I believe that the drive actually creates a vaccuum inside the
cartridge, the integrity (sp?) of which might be compromised when the
power is turned off.

That was only a guess as to what the reasons might be; but if someone
has gone to the trouble of telling you not to do something with a piece
of hardware, I would generally listen to him.



=========================================================================
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The opinions stated above do not necessarily reflect those of the author!

"Oooohhhh no! Forget that stuff!"  -  Ren Hoek, "The Ren & Stimpy Show"
=========================================================================
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:29:13 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

>   Also, System 7.0.x is STILL buggy!
NR>  So is System 6. 

Granted.  Now that we've established that, I think we can agree that people
should be free to choose the bug-ridden system they want to work with on a
daily basis, and stop all the System 7 evangelizing.  It is _not_ necessarily
the only way to go in life.

--Adam--
 
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From: louis@well.sf.ca.us (Louis Jaffe)
Subject: Re: How much should I offer for a Mac Portable?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:52:13 GMT

I second Brendan Mahony's comments: if portability and a fast CPU aren't
the highest priority, the original Mac Portable has much to recommend it.
It has the same active-matrix LCD as the $3500 PowerBook 170.  If display
quality is important to you, the Mac Portable is worth considering for 
this factor alone.  It has plenty of power for routine word processing, 
spreadsheets, small databases, and telecom use.  It's a beautiful
computer at the current used price of about $1000.  -LJ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rob@netnews.louisville.edu (Rob Miracle)
Subject: Macinstosh IIcx hard drives
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:59:42 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I have just inherited a Mac IIcx from a co-worker turned ex-employee making
more money.  Unfortunatlly, I am a DOS based dude trying to learn the Mac
stuff in a hurry so I can pick up support on Macs and Networking.

Anyway, on to my problem at hand.  We ordered a Quantum 105mb hard drive before
he left, and it arrived after he left.  I went to look at putting it in and 
didn't see an obvious way to get the 40 mb drive out.  Are there any suggestions
about where I can start in replacing this drive?  I have a PLI 44mb cartridge
drive to make a backup of the existing hard drive.

By the way, since I am new, is there a cheap-mans list of what Macs are what
as far as CPU, FPU, memory limits, etc.?

Thanks in advance
Rob Miracle
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: PowerBook reliability - Extending AppleCare?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:25:57 GMT

To the person unfamiliar with AppleCare... 

AppleCare is the what Apple calls their warranty. I have only seen Macs
being purchased at a university store where the 'AppleCare warranty
Registration Form' is completed immediately and sent in for the purchaser.
I assume that the end result is the same when one completes the Apple
Registration Card that is included in the Mac packaging. That end result
is the 'Official AppleCare warranty Certificate' arriving by mail. To receive
free service at an authorized Apple dealer you will need to show the Certificate
so that the  'Apple Warranty Agreement Number' can be recorded.

Near the end of the one year warranty an invitation to extend the warranty comes
in the mail. As long as the AppleCare Warranty is maintained service will be
free - for covered problems. Nothing, but your own bank balance, protects you
if you drop and break your Mac.

The person that these comments are for apparently purchased at PRICE CLUB.
If the Mac package was still factory sealed there should be an 'Apple
registration card' in the literature. Fill out the form and send it or
you might create unnecessary aggravation when servicing is required...

Dale
From: yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Diff between MacFG24x & PrecisionColor24x
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:27:55 GMT
Organization: UB

Hi everybody,

I was told that NEC MacFG 24x was actually designed, and perhaps
manufactured, by Radius.

Therefore, I would like to know the difference
between NEC MacFG 24x and Radius PrecisionColor 24x.  Can
any kind soul cast some light on this for me?

Hint: I know Radius guru technical guy is monitoring this 
news group?

Thanks for any information.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Donna L. Bak <dld@utrc.utc.com>
Subject: WANTED:  Powerbook FAX/DATA modem for European use
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:08:04 GMT

Problem:  Power Book user wants to buy in the United States a FAX/DATA
modem that will work   
                over in Europe (Italy specifically).

	              We've been told by Computerland that we'll have to buy it
over in Europe.

Question:  Does anyone know of where we can buy one here in the United
States?  Does anyone 
                have experience using a FAX/DATA modem over in Europe?

Thanks...

Donna Bak
United Tech Research Center
Hartford, CT
dld@utrc.utc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware