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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Really mega disappointment.
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:10:14 GMT

batman@amigans.gen.nz (Kerry Emerson) writes:

>Hmmmmm... well, the word on the street is that Batman Returns is pretty (if 
>not bloody) good(ish). 

Bloody good (IMAO).

> But what I want to know is, "Is the soundtracker, by 
>Danny Elfman, EXACTLY THE SAME as the one for Batman I or what???

Nope. The original *theme* is back, but the composition is new;
and it's accompanied by at least two new themes (one of them dominates
the film far more than the "main" theme, actually.) The two soundtracks
compare the way the soundtrack for TESB compares to that of SW. The
new one is richer, maintains continuity without being repetitive, and has a
different personality ("Edward Scissorhands" crossed with "Batman").



>I am from little ol' New Zealand, and us poor sods don't get to see Batman 
>II until August 21st, DAMN!  So I have been videoing every Entertainment 
>This Week to get as much info as I can on it (as I like/love Batman), and 
>everytime they have clips of Screnes and interviews with Tim "crack" Burton, 
>they always have the original score by Danny from Batman I.  I am myphed!

Music for promotions are chosen for advertising value, not to accurately
reflect the product it is advertising. In this case, they're
playing on the popularity of the original product.



>     :-/                 <----worried and rather curious face.

>Whats the goss people, all you USAites that have seen it... I don't think 
>its very impressive to have the same soundtrack for BOTH movies.

It isn't, and they don't.


>I have heard "Up The Cathedral" music, "Charge of Batmobile" and "Finale"
>so far... 

Good choices :-)

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon (Re: Asian American Media Image)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:25:24 GMT

In article <22488@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee) writes:
>>[review of "Year of the Dragon"]
>>evaluation:  3 stars out of 4
>>siskel-and-ebert evaluation:  2 thumbs up
>I have to disagree with much of the introduction to this posting...
>This review is like saying that all Italian-Americans are like the characters
>in the movie series "The Godfather".. Granted that a portion of the
>Asian community in America is engaged in criminal activity, much of which
>can be linked to ancient practices/heritages from China; but to say that
>it accurately reflects the mentality of a large portion of the Asian-American
>community (IMHO) is incorrect.. I do not know how you can even say that..

Actually, although I didn't once use the word "Chinese", I was
referring specifically to Chinese-Americans.  The entire center of
attention in the movie was the criminal activities of Chinese-Americans
in China town.  When I commented that the movie accurately portrayed
the mentality of a large portion of the Asian-American community, I
was generally referring to the portion of the Chinese-American
community comprising individuals born overseas.  That, indeed, is
a large portion of the Asian-American community.

I was not referring to just the criminal elements highlighted by
the show.  I was referring to the entire milieu of the scenes.
There was one scene where a Chinese-American (born overseas) shows
the cops the two dead bodies of the Chinese-Americans murdered
by the Chinese-cu thugs.  The idiot says, aloud, (paraphrased)
"I've been working here for the better part of my life.  When
I was young, I had respect for others.  (pointing at the dead
bodies) These boys had no respect.  They just copied the white
guys, taking and selling drugs.  Doing all kinds of crap.  
And now look at what happens."

What the idiot doesn't realize is that the culture responsible for
the deaths of those two boys was Chinese-cu culture.  It had
nothing to do with European-cu-Americans.

There were many other scenes that really captured the mentality
of Chinese-cu people very accurately.  The one where a Chinese-cu
dude starts defending Chinese-cu society by pulling "facts" about
China, that occurred _T.H.O.U.S.A.N.D.S._ of years ago.  That
was very typically Chinese-cu.

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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now and Heart of Darkness
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:08:53 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <13482@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes...
[In response to my anti-Brando comments]

} Ohhh... Jerry ... you're so MEAN!! Perhaps for the sake of argument,
} you'd like to list what you consider the five (or so) greatest
} performances by an actor in a film?

Whether these are the "greatest", I can't say, but these are among the
performances that I consider come close to being "perfect". Caveat #1:
Keep in mind that these are great *performances*, so I don't want to
hear any "but that movie was lousy" comments. Caveat #2: In some cases,
the actor is one I usually consider just average, but in the example
below, I think was outstanding. Caveat #3: In some cases, the actor
has many more outstanding roles, but I tried to limit it to two at most.
Caveat #4: I know I'm missing a lot more.

Robert De Niro:        THE GODFATHER II (where he out-Brandos Brando);
                         ANGEL HEART
Henry Fonda:           FAIL SAFE; 12 ANGRY MEN
Walter Huston:         THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER
John Mills             TUNES OF GLORY; RYAN'S DAUGHTER
Alec Guinness          TUNES OF GLORY; BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
Richard Burton         NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR
Kirk Douglas           PATHS OF GLORY
George C. Scott        PATTON; DR. STRANGELOVE
Paul Scofield          A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS
Max Von Sydow          PELLE THE CONQUEROR; DEATH WATCH
Klaus Maria Brandeur   MEPHISTO
Robert Duvall          APOCALYPSE NOW
Jonathan Pryce         SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES
Joe Pesci              GOODFELLAS; LETHAL WEAPON 2
James Cagney           ONE, TWO, THREE
Oskar Werner           SHIP OF FOOLS
James Caan             ROLLERBALL
Humphrey Bogart        THE AFRICAN QUEEN; TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE

For female actors:

Linda Hunt             THE YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY; SILVERADO
Katherine Hepburn      THE LION IN WINTER; THE AFRICAN QUEEN
Emma Thompson          HOWARDS END; DEAD AGAIN
Helen Mirren           2010; THE COOK, THE THIEF, HIS WIFE & HER LOVER
Rosalind Russell       THE WOMEN; HIS GIRL FRIDAY
Ellen Burstyn          RESURRECTION

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Myths or Movies? (Batman 3)
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:36:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul22.140823.25578@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an883@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Yan) writes:

>As for the female Robin.. Hey, Make the Miller classic "Dark Knight Returns"
>into a movie.. Now that would make a great film..

It sure would!  Be pretty long though.  They'd have to cut out a lot of
stuff.  Probably butcher the damn thing.  It was a great story though....
I recommend it to anyone who liked either of the Batman's.


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "You're outmanned, you're outgunned, you're
Georgia Institute of Technology  |      outequipped what else have you got?"
Office of Information Technology | "Guile."
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |      -- Riker and Worf   "Peak Performance"
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:23413 alt.sex:25304 alt.peeves:12589
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.sex,alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Misha a Faggot!
From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:46:51 EDT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal
Summary: you wish, tinkerbell

In article <60300003@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM> 
moursund@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (David_Moursund) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.160413.14107@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>It's hardly possible for me to have a bad time whilst my phallus is
>>erect.

DM:
>Noting that this topic does not belong on rec.arts.movies, I must
>say that I do find it amusing, in a sophomoric sort of way, but I
>am inclined to ask:
>
>Haven't you ever had an urgent and immediate need to urinate,
>say upon waking up in the morning, and found that your erect
>phallus made this situation difficult?

This one is piss-easy.  Just make sure you begin by having an orgasm,
which will clear out the urine passage right away.  For added thrill,
not to mention convenience, make sure that you choose a venue that
will readily accept both fluids.  As I recall, Henry Miller had a
quite bit to say about that in his pre-Tropic $1-a-page Parisian
writings.  Unlike the later book, which has served as the basis of a
truly mediocre movie, these early, umm, seminal works are yet to make
their way to the silver screen.

DM:
>(Maybe this should have gone to alt.peeves?  =)   

It has.

ObMovies: Fred Ward was truly great in "Henry and June".  Too bad Phil
Kaufman didn't have the balls to make the film more Milleresque... one
scene I wouldn't mind seeing is that of Henry and June rooting in a
puddle, with her pouring muddy water on his cock to cool it down.
After he comes, she hits him for money: "And now for the dirt..."

>dm

best wishes,
mikhail zeleny@harvard.husc.edu
"I'll make you shit arpeggios, Tanya..."
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Sequel in the Works
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:03:36 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <24018@castle.ed.ac.uk?g rw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard White) writes:
?gIn article <13605@mindlink.bc.ca> Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:
??Now shooting: Jeffrey Dahmer and Marcia Strassman starring in "Honey, I Threw
??Up The Kids"...
?
?Is this a remake of 'Bringing up Baby'?
?
How about the middle east version being filmed in Iraq, ``Honey, I Scud
the Yids.''
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Russia House - good espionage movies?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:29:51 GMT
Distribution: usa 


In article <1992Jul30.150047.27773@cos.com> cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper) writes:
>
>_The Fourth Protocol_ is pretty good - it made me change my
>mind about Pierce Brosnan....
>
>_The Manchurian Candidate_ - a classic.
>
>_Seven Days in May_  -  American coup!
>
>_Fail Safe_ - possible the best Cold War movie
>
>Note - last two aren't really "espionage" movies, but VERY
>good political thrillers 
>-- 

>Also, "The Whistleblower" with Michael Caine (although this may be
>more political than espionage also) 

>Kris

--
From: moursund@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (David_Moursund)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:33:55 PDT
Subject: Re: Saltgirl: Pulling a fast one
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

>/ hpcvnb:rec.arts.movies / kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza) /  2:37 am  Jul 28, 1992 /
>I think there is just too much emphasis on performance, for instance, I very 
>often like to make my partner cum without actually having an orgasm myself,
>but this can be dangerous - because many women seem to have the attitude that
>you have to ejaculate in order to complete the act - so I find myself
>pretending (hard if you're a guy - but wearing a condom helps) just so she
>will let me off of her. So - you see - it cuts both ways.
>
>Kamal

Interesting thread, but why is it appearing in rec.arts.movies?

dm

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From: maus@fid.morgan.com (Malcolm Austin)
Subject: Re: Tune In Tomorrow
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.192517.11121@zip.eecs.umich.edu> stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:

>Also [TUNE IN TOMORROW] was the second movie I've ever seen with spoken 
>credits (the other was _Farenheit 451_.)  Are there any others that anyone 
> can think of?  

Hmmm.  THE TRIAL, I think.

M*A*S*H, definitely.

-- 
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maus@fid.morgan.com    | Great funeral, Mom, but I've got to motor if I'm
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From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Worst Movies (Beetle-Juice ?? I enjoyed it)
Keywords: Movies, Worst
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:12:56 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul30.140902.5132@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
>
>Michael Keaton's performance was terrible, but I blame Burton for that
>since it was the exact same performance he managed to get out of Jack
>Nicholson for Batman. The character was not only obnoxious and
>repellent, it wasn't even remotely funny. The ending was unconvincing,
>even for a "cartoon", and was still depressing. No, this wasn't black
>comedy. You want black comedy, try _Barton Fink_ or _Brazil_. You want
>sloppy self-indulgent filmmaking, try anything by Tim Burton.
>


Whatever gave you the idea that "Beetlejuice" was supposed to be a
black comedy ? If that was what you were looking for, then you were
obviously be disappointed. You are completely mistaken if you try
to compare movies like "Batman" and "BeetleJuice" with "Barton Fink"
and "Brazil" ! I just found the whole concept of "beetlejuice" very 
funny and amusing. For what the roles demanded, both Michael Keaton
and Jack Nicholson did a good job. I just don't see anyone in the
hollywood doing a better job of acting as a joker than Jack Nicholson.
It probably didn't occur to you, but his character was supposed to
be nasty and obnoxious in Batman. 


Manish
From: ed_l1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Blade Runner Director's cut in Philly?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:23:38 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <1992Jul15.110844.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
> In article <TL7wNB4w164w@cellar.org>, swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur) 
> 
>> I had heard from friends that a Director's Cut of Blade Runner (y'know: 
[...]
>> Of course, >Philadelphia< is a cultural backwater, so I don't think it made 
>> it here.  
> What the hell are you talking about?  We've got the Ritz 5, the Ritz at the
> Bourse, the International House, the Temple Cinimatech, the Roxy, and we 
> recently had a World Cinima Festival.
> 
> What city are *you* talking about?

I recall entering a contest.  First prize was a week in Phildalphia.
Second prize was two weeks in Philadelphia.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Feminist Perspective of Batman Returns
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:28:11 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <1992Jul24.082252.76@news.uwyo.edu> rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:

>Regarding all this discussion on the feminist perspective of Batman 
>Returns:  How do we fit in Catwoman's complicity in the kidnapping 
>of the Ice Queen (or whatever she was called) and apparent lack of 
>real remorse over her death by Penguin?

How do we fit it in?  She was a nut case, that's how.  

Your questionseems to imply that a feminist would not harm a woman, 
or at least would be upset if she had done it.  I would assume that 
a feminist is just as likely to harm a woman as a non-feminist would be.  
Any evidence to suggest that that's not true?
-- 
    Brice Dowaliby         |    I may speak fluently, but 
(bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu)  |    I don't speak for Fluent
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From: seiffe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erica Seiffert)
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal on Cinemax
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:56:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205225.2368@midway.uchicago.edu> rm34@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>_Heavy Metal_, like many anthology films, is a mixture of good and bad.  The 
>Taara bit, which I remember liking when I was an adolecent and the film was
>new, is now by far the most tedious part of the film (IMHO, of course).  The 
>parts that I still like are the bomber sequence (very creepy) and Captain 
>Stern (hilarious!).
>
>Brother Robert
>


		Well, I must admit that I throughly wanted to hate Heavy
	Metal. I mean the first time I sat and watched it, I kept seeing 
	how they were drawing the sterotypical "cartoon" woman in most 
	of the sequences and my feministic nature was ready to write off
	the whole movie. Not all of the stories appealed to me either.
		However, I found the Capatin Stern piece very funny. Being
	a horror fan, I also enjoyed the bomber sequence. 
		I even suprised myself by liking the final sequence. I thought
	there was a real beauty to that piece. I could have done with out
	the skimpy leather bit (I mean...i think that most women would wear
	just a tinsy bit more if they were going to go and do battle with 
	someone). However, I really did like the piece. Maybe it was because
	I didn't expect the unusual approach of having a woman in the 
	"champion" role. I don't know. 
		Overall, I think Heavy Metal was a good film. It's not in my
	top ten list of films, but I would certainly recommend people to
	experience it. Whether or not you enjoy the film, I think people
	should see it just because of it's originality and concept.

	ems
	*******
	I don't speak for my employers, and we both like it that way.
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From: amberle@athena.mit.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Audience Comments During Movies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:00:45 GMT

In article <1410085@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> bartb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Bart Bobbitt) writes:
>Over the years, I've heard a lot of funny comments from folks in movie
>audiences about what's happening on the screen.  Maybe readers might respond
>with their own funny stories. 

This story is from the David Letterman show, when Siskel and Ebert were on
a few months ago.

Dave & S&E are talking about current movies (pre-Academy Awards 1992).
Dave talks about the time he saw Shining Through.  Michael Douglas is
in Germany dragging Melanie Griffith to safety in Switzerland, with
a bunch of Nazis pumping God knows how many bullets into MD, who 
*still* manages to stay alive.  He struggles across the Swiss border
(at this point someone says it's this big broad line painted on 
the ground, past which the bullets will just bounce off) and the 
second Michael Douglas heaves himself and Melanie over the line, 
someone in the movie audience jumps up and yells, "Touchdown!..."

...which brought down the house, both at the theatre and at the
show.
--
 amberle		    "I want so much more than they've got planned..."
<amberle@epx.cis.umn.edu>		Belle		
<amberle@athena.mit.edu>		  Walt Disney's BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Feminist Perspective of Batman Returns
Keywords: Batman, feminist, SPOILERS
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:17:48 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

csculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Candace S. Culhane) writes:

>By the way, at the risk of getting flamed, I was moved by Batman's
>plea to CatWoman/Selina when he revealed himself.  And this scene most
>incensed my husband, who said that the comic book Batman would NEVER
>have done such a thing, especially in front of Schreck.  My husband's
>probably right.  But movie wise, that scene improved the movie for me.

I think it was a sign that he was really willing to give the whole
schmeer up for her and it was clear to me at that moment that she
wouldn't agree. It made the movie a lot more human and not as perfect,
superherowise. Maybe that is what makes a dedicated fan not like it as
much, but it made me prefer it a lot to BM1, for instance. You could
imagine much better to actually be one of the characters. Last not least
it was the humor about relationships and sexual wars, surrenders, etc.

When she accuses him of hitting her and he falls for it.
When they both want to hide their previously mutually inflicted wounds
while petting.
When they both try to find excuses for departing in a hurry for the same
purpose.

Cut them out and you get the same crap the predecessor was.

>Oh, and yes, there were plenty of gapping holes in the plot, like
>how did CatWoman become a gymnast and martial arts specialist, how
>did a bunch of circus freaks learn to re-engineer the bat mobile, etc.

THAT is something you never ought to question in this sort of movie.
It's probably glands.


May the Cool be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii

In der Dunkelheit			     In the pitch darkness
sieht man nicht so weit			     you can see much less
wie bei hellem Licht			     than by brighter light
wo man weiter sicht.			     where there's better sight.
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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: COOL WORLD
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:37:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Keywords: author=Good

In article <1992Jul21.181634.12928@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes:
[deletion]
>
>Surely you don't mean that.  How about _Mary Poppins_?  _Anchors Aweigh_
>and _Song of the South_ also come to mind.  Now, Roger Rabbit took
>it to levels never before achieved as far as realistic interaction
>between the characters go, but it was far from the first attempt.
>

Absolutely, Ed. And leave us not forget Mickey Mouse tugging
at Leopold Stokowski in FANTASIA. And then there's that goofy
bit in 9 TO 5 that parodies Disney's SNOW WHITE.

Going back and taking a bit of a turn is Max Fleischer's
GULLIVER'S TRAVELS, which, I think, featured Gulliver as
Rotoscoped character, that is, the animated character was
traced from a live actor. But that's another story.

-- 
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From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Prelude to a Kiss is the best! (NOT!)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:47:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

I didn't like the Prelude to a Kiss that much. At first, I had too high
expectation maybe... Story was too predictable... flow of scenes was kinda
boring.. Yeah..the marriage scence was beautiful...but the old man's connection
to the scene was too accidental.. and .. what happened to that old man after
all things were settled down?.. and.. wasn't the old man so selfish when he
got into Rita's body?  Anyway..it's not about action. I hate Lethal Weapon type
movies.    
                                    
-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........