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From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:53:01 GMT


In article <1ihc1iINNh6q@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:

   Y'know, I've been thinking about this...  Folks are saying that the next
   release of Coherent will have *loads* of stuff it doesn't have yet:

	   1.) Graphics support
	   2.) The GNU GCC compiler
	   3.) TCP/IP Networking
	   4.) Sockets
	   5.) X Windows

   That's a pretty big leap when you compare it to the improvements made from
   the last version to the present one.  Where do you suppose the MWC is going
   to *get* all that code from?  Are they dealing with Satan? or *worse*...

   Filching code from Linux and/or 386BSD to call it your own is a big no-no.

Mark Williams is a pretty reputable company, and has some good
programmers.  Don't make remarks like this --- they are rather silly,
and could be considered libelous.  MWC makes a point that they develop
all that themselves.

Where do you think linux and 386BSD got the code from?  *people wrote
it*  Where do you think MWC got their code?  Do you think that they
can't program?

The networking and sockets are the only *major* things on that list,
and they go together.  I consider MWC fully capable of doing them.  I
don't use coherent, but MWC has been around for a while, and so has
coherent, and you are being foolish to make assumptions like this.
Please don't poison the air like this.

michaelkjohnson
From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William  B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Terminal question
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:26:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Does anyone know when the next release of Cohenrent is due out?
Also, what changes will it include?
From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: elm and addressing
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 21:20:11 PST

d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers) writes:
> Can someone please tell me how I get elm to be able to reply to the internet
> style addressing in the from headers. ie, ak@adkwgtn.UUCP
> All I get is failed mail when trying to reply to incoming mail. I have to send
> mail to the person, using an uucp style address in the alias file. Much easier
> if I could just get it out via a reply.
> Ta.
> Bob
> _________________________________________________________________________
> |Robert Chalmers. d10590@tanus.oz.au       Mackay, Queensland. Australia|
> |APCUG nanguo!root   (AUS)               UUCP mwcbbs!nanguo!earth  (USA)|
> |---------------------* ao zhong youyi wan sui *------------------------|
> |  UUCP nanguo!root  +61  79-521070 AEST:24 Hours. in:nuucp rd:uupublic |
> |  MYNAME=bbsuser   ~/INFO   Australian-Pacific Coherent User Group     |
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
> 

The UUCP psuedo domain will not fly through any internet sites I have
found. The person who chosses to use UUCP as a domain probably does
not realize that this makes it difficult to use auto-reply software.

You'll have to manually enter the real domain for the person (if they
have included it anywhere)

Randy
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(604) 581-0518  8N1  (Bell 103/212A, V22.bis)  interactive login: guest
Anon uucp:  ogin: uguest     MACHINE=uguest LOGNAME=uguest MYNAME=rwsys
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White)
Subject: Re: Socket Emulation
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:54:34 GMT

In article <9301062205.AA16301@PCS.CNU.EDU> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>> What's the support telephone number for Linux?
>        Most support seems best on the net.  Linux questions get answers
>in a week at the worst, a few hours usually.  Same with Coherent.  I
>think MWC does an OK job and their support is what your $99 gets you.

	This is an interesting point that has not been brought up yet in this
war...  there are Coherent users (get this folks :-) who do not have net
access (amazing, but true).

	Coherent is good for what it is, and one of those things is a
net-independent support organization.  

-- 
Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: getting an ls alias to work in super-user shells?
Keywords: alias shell superuser
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:01:32 GMT

jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs) writes:

>I have an alias set up in my $HOME directory to make "ls" always
>"ls -C".  This is great, because now I don't have to watch everything
>scroll off the screen!

Just to be on the safe side, I would recommend that you change your
alias to ls='/bin/ls -C'.  It's a good practice not to risk looping
your alias.

>But, woe is me!  I make liberal use of "su" to take care of administration
>tasks on my system (bin and news, mostly, FWIW), and when I'm su'd ls
>reverts right back to its default left screen sail-everything-by-you
>mode.
>Can I do anything to make "ls" *always* be "ls -C"?  I did try using a
>shell script in /usr/local/bin, which I've placed ahead of /usr/bin in my
>path, but that was *slow*.

You may change your root shell to ksh and use global alias file for all
users on the system.

t.
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:07:22 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <COHERENT%93010613595294@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>, DSTEWART@DALLAS.ROCKWELL.COM (DAN STEWART) writes:
> Please, enough of the Linux v. Coherent arguments!  This is the Coherent
> list, if you're a Linux fan and can do nothing but bad-mouth Coherent,
> then WHY are you on this list?

Lighten up, man.  The posts were a response to a rookie who was
interested in hearing a comparison of the two OS's.  It was posted
both on c.o.c and c.o.l.  If you don't like reading about linux
then why don't you put the word linux in your kill file?

Personally, I think a little intermingling of these too groups
is beneficial since both packages seem to attract the same types
of people (beginners, hackers, and poverty stricken students). :)

Cheers,

Chris
From: jochenw@tabaqui.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jochen Wolters)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Need copy of COHerent 3.2 Disk #4/4
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:25:17 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: tabaqui.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

Hi all,

  wanting to sell my copy of COH 3.2, I discovered an error (CRC) on disk
four, which renders the package useless since the system won't install. Is
there anybody out there :) who would be so kind as to send me a copy of the
said disk? If so, please send me a short notice to my account, so we can work
out the details. Many thanx in advance,

  Jochen.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: No more lost packets!!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 01:53:59 GMT

Louis Giliberto (magus@drktowr.chi.il.us) wrote:
[...]
: Speaking of which, anyone who has rebuilt their kernel using the new
: DDK:  have you had any problems with minicom?  It no longer seems
: to work with the new kernel.

It does not run under k68 from the DDK. It runs under k70 again, but
something is wrong with newslines, they are printed as cr only and output
from a remote system isn't readable. I haven't find the problem yet,
but xc 3.3 does run.
--
Udo Munk, Oberstr. 21, 4040 Neuss 1, Germany
udo@umunk.GUN.de   ...!{mcshh,smurf,unido}!easix!umunk!udo   CIS: 100021,2515
uucp: +49 2131 278869 V22/32/42bis 8N1 login: uucp pwd: public MYNAME=bbsuser
request file /usr/spool/uucppublic/info for instructions
From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: mail delivery
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:14:10 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

When I get mail from my MX forwarder, how do I force Coherent to
deliver the mail immediately?

For example, if my system dials out and there are 2 mail messages
and 3 megs of news waiting, the mail will not be delivered until
all of the news has been received (and uucico completes normally)
or there is an error (and uucico completes "abnormally").

I would prefer that mail be delivered as soon as it arrives rather
than wait until that uucico job has finished (which could be hours
sometimes).

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Chris

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From: darcys@fraser.sfu.ca (Darcy Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:50:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.165301.2889@news.stolaf.edu> johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) writes:
>
>In article <1ihc1iINNh6q@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
>
>   That's a pretty big leap when you compare it to the improvements made from
>   the last version to the present one.  Where do you suppose the MWC is going
>   to *get* all that code from?  Are they dealing with Satan? or *worse*...
>

No they aren't dealing with Bill Gates!

D'Arcy
From: acook@athena.mit.edu (Andrew R Cook)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:18:03 GMT

Hi

Last time I checked, there was one *major* disadvantage to Coherent:
No graphics support !  Makes running X kind'a difficult ?

Andy Cook
acook@athena.mit.edu
From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: getting an ls alias to work in super-user shells?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:43:22 +0100

From article <1993Jan10.000132.13035@netcom.com>, by messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk):
> Just to be on the safe side, I would recommend that you change your
> alias to ls='/bin/ls -C'.  It's a good practice not to risk looping
> your alias.

Done.  Thanks for the warning.
 
>>Can I do anything to make "ls" *always* be "ls -C"?

> You may change your root shell to ksh and use global alias file for all
> users on the system.

Hmm, I can't seem to figure out how to set up a "global alias file."  How 
does one do this?

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
From: jgnassi@HSTBME.MIT.EDU (John Angelo Gnassi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Additional Packages for Coherent
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:03:41 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Massachusetts General Hospital - Lab of Computer Science

In article <9301051604.AA14989@rslap.mwc.com> you write:
>        GNU C contains COHERENT versions of two of the most popular GNU
>compilers, Gcc a 32-bit ANSI C compiler, and G++ its C++ equivalent.

Could you please post to the net the version of GCC?  It's important to
those of us who know it.

>        GNU Tools contains COHERENT versions of over 40 GNU
>implementations of popular UNIX commands and utilities. These include MAWK
>(GNU awk), BISON (GNU yacc), BASH (GNU Bourne shell), and SED (GNU Stream

MAWK is not a GNU product, although it is covered by the GNU copyleft.
GAWK is GNU AWK.

>commands are designed.  The GNU Tools package is $49.95.

Actually, that's a reasonable cost if the versions are kept fresh.  I
might well pay that instead of porting them myself.  Of course, I'm
still waiting for my machine to come in (I received Coherent as a
gift).

>You can EMail your order to "jim@mwc.com".
>--
>       Jim Leonard | Mark Williams Company
>       jim@mwc.com | Customer Support
>Wrk (708)-291-6700 | Technical Support
>Fax (708)-291-6750 | Sales Information

An etiquette point - I doubt that flagrant advertising is appropriate
in non-biz.* newsgroups.  Nontheless, it is encouraging to see MWC
making its presence on the net known.

Looking forward to booting Coherent next week....


     John Angelo Gnassi                 Lab of Computer Science
   jgnassi@hstbme.mit.edu               Massachusetts General Hospital
     "Eternal Student"                  Boston, Massachusetts, USA
     "The Earth be spanned, connected by a Network" - Walt Whitman
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: ray@rgm.com (Ray Mendonsa)
Subject: Re: Terminal question
Organization: RGM *nix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:19:35 GMT

mtarrant@ATK.COM (Mike Tarrant) writes:

. . .

>  My question is, at a system level, how does Coherent "know" that the
>terminal at the end of /dev/com4pl is a vt100, or a wyse50, or tvi925?
>I know there is the TERM environmental variable in my .profile file,
>but if I make that the terminal type, it'll be wrong when I log-on at
>the console (ansipc).
>  As far I have been able to determine, terminal type is tied to the
>user, and I think it should be known only by the system.  What am I
>missing?

I was in a similar situation on my system.  I typically used the console
for logins, but occasionally dial in from away from home.  I also have
some friends who usually log in remote, but occasionally use the console.

I assume all users logged in over com ports are using VT100, and console
logins are always ansipc.  MWC tech support gave me this bright idea
to incude in /etc/profile :

---- begin /etc/profile fragment ----
case `tty` in
	/dev/mono?)	echo "Using ANSI PC term emulation."
			export TERM=ansipc;;
	/dev/com1fr)	echo "Using VT100 term emulation."
			export TERM=vt100;;
	*)		echo "How did you get in here?"
			export TERM=vt100;;
esac
---- end /etc/profile fragment ----

This structure allows you to select default emulation depending upon
the output of `tty` (the login port).  I think this is what you need.

Thanks to MWC tech support!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:31:51 GMT

In article <930109484@ritz.mordor.com> ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz) writes:
>Louis Giliberto (magus@drktowr.chi.il.us) wrote:
>OS/2> 1) Graphics support
>OS/2> 
>OS/2> Harry, Udo, etc have this done with the bitmapped driver.  MGR has been
>OS/2> ported from the linux port, and Harry rewrote the library to emulate
>OS/2> the Linux library using his driver.  I read his driver.  It's small
>OS/2> and elegant and works fine.  Drivers wouldn't be able to be "filched"
>OS/2> anyhow for the most part.
>
>Not to take anything away from the efforts of Harry and Udo, but you cannot
>make use of this driver (for now) unless you purchase the device driver kit.
>Having "spoken" to Harry, it sounds like a really nifty thing to have though.
>Unfortunately, the vast majority of us don't have the DDK so we're stuck.
>

I think that this encompasses why I like Linux over Coherent.  People
like myself (and aparently like Harry and Udo, although I have never
heard of them) like hacking around at the kernel or near kernel
level.  While I think that it is great that all this neat sorftware is
being ported to Coherent, I am sure glad I don't have to depend on MWC
for device driver kits, or memory manager upgrades, etc, etc, etc.

- Rob
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: prepare_gift()
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:45:16 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

At the # sign type      cd /bin <enter>  then type     build  .
That is all you need.  The system will install normally.

                        Thank you
                        Ed
From: fwp@fwpbbs.UUCP (Frank Pittel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: taylor
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:27:31 GMT

I just downloaded ver. 4 of taylor uucp and am having a hard time getting
it to compile.

When I try to "make" the Makefile I get the error:
		make: 5: multiple actions for .c.o

I've spent a lot of time trying to figure how to make it work but am having
no luck. With very little experience with make and unix that's not to
suprising.

Has anyone managed to get taylor 104 to work? If so what did you have to do
to get it to go?

Thanx 
Frank

chinet.chi.il.us!fwpbbs!fwp
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: >Re: How to set up global alias file
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:42:08 GMT


Mr. jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs) writes:

> Hmm, I can't seem to figure out how to set up a "global alias
> file."  How does one do this?

The aliases I want all users on my system to use I put in
/etc/kshalias file and then have a statement in each individual 
environment file (whatever you set it up to be, I use .env):
. /etc/kshalias
That seems to work nicely. If you source your aliases in the
global profile file (/etc/profile), I think you might lose them
in subshells, although I haven't tested that too much.

t.
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Socket Emulation
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:20:12 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: You mean Coherent doesn't *have* sockets?!?

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>A month or so ago I read somewhere (possibly on the Coherent TCPIP mailing
>list, which has been very quiet if not defunct) that someone had a socket
>emulation library available for Coherent 4. I'm trying to port a mud (CI Mud,
>a smallish disk-based server that is probably feasible under Coherent,
>networking aside) and I need to be able to replace all the socket code to get
>it running. I'm assuming that the emulation code will use some other form of
>IPC, to allow processes to talk to each other on the same machine as if they
>were using sockets.

You mean Coherent doesn't already *have* sockets?!?  NONE AT ALL?!!?

Yikes!  I had *thought* that Coherent was a relatively decent OS until now.
I can understand not having IP ("net") sockets, but you're gonna have a bad
time porting anything like a MUD if it won't even do UNIX (filesystem) ones.

Jeeez...  TinyMUSH, PennMUSH, and DikuMUD compile out-of-the-box under Linux.
Even LP-MUD compiles without too much twiddling.   ...and Linux is FREE.

How much did you pay for COH?  Is it *refundable*?

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
(Linux is a FREE UNIX-clone that beats the pants off the latest Coherent!)
From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Charles Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent graphics
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:08:51 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


        Linux has a graphics library (vgalib) that allows it to have
graphics without booting X or MGR.  It is being presented as a standard
for doing graphics on the console under Linux.

        I was thinking that it would be great to make a call-compatible
vga library for doing console graphics under Coherent.  That way, programs
developed for either platform should run fine.  Right now, the vgalib is
pretty simple but includes most everything you need graphics-wise.  I
could provide a list of functions if someone with the DDK would like to
try a port.  It has been written to support SVGA only so one doesn't have
to worry about configuring for the wild array of graphics hardware.  All
modes are currently 640x480 and under.

        E-mail me if you want more information.  This just seems like a
good way to make porting easier and I'm sure a lot of people would like
a graphics library for Coherent without needing X or MGR.

Shannon Hendrix
From: hcpiv@GRUMPY.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA ("Harry C. Pulley IV")
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: vgalib port uploaded to raven
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:15:08 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I have uploaded the port of vgalib to raven.  It is called vgalib.tar.Z; it is
currently in the incoming directory (/pub/coherent/incoming/vgalib.tar.Z).

Also included is the bitmapped display driver.  You need this to use vgalib.
You need the DDK to compile and link the graphics driver.

vgalib provides graphics functions for EGA modes (16 color 320x200, 640x200,
640x350 and 640x480) and VGA modes (256 color 320x200, 320x240, 320x400 and
360x480).  It should be easy to port DOS graphics programs.

I may work on an image viewer soon.  If anyone has any pointers to code (or
wants to help or do the port themself) please let me know.

If there are any bugs (and it has not been tested extensively, so...) please
drop me a line at hcpiv@grumpy.cis.uoguelph.ca or hcpiv@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca

Harry
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: No more lost packets!!
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 11:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: lost packets uucp coherent modem 9600

jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs) writes:

> So, yes, 16550s seem to solve certain problems  (though I still can't 
> download using zmodem at 9600, but I'll talk to someone at the system
> I'm trying to download from about that).

That's probably Zmodem. I've found the Coherent port of Zmodem appears to
extremely unwell, it's randomly catatonic on receive and very slow on send.
If anyone has a zmodem that works well on high speed lines I'd love to know
about it.

						- k
-- 
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"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
From: stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: perl ported?
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:25:50 GMT
Organization: Forthy at home
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Has perl been ported?? If so, where can I get it (no ftp)??

Thanks Stephan
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent