From: jad@ckuxb.att.com (John A Dinardo)
Subject: Part X, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: CIA = Murder Inc.,  CIA desecrates the People's Constitution
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:47:46 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
IAN MASTERS:
I've seen that picture.  But how does Earl Brian tie in then to this ....

MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO:
Well, let me finish.
We were told absolutely that this was not what was taking place.

Now when the Shah fell, his top military people were taken out.
Either they were kicked out of the military or they were killed,
or they were punished by religious tribunals. In other words, the
whole structure fell apart. Iran had all of this hardware, and
they had all the parts for support of these sophisticated weapons
systems in warehouses. But the whole system of tracking their
parts and inventory fell apart.  And my first visit over there was
to go over there with some computer people and try to straighten
it out. And Earl Brian was along for that ride. Okay?                

We were also talking about details of how the new religious regime
would like to interface with Reagan's group. When we came back, we
had, in writing, a set of specifics. When we got those specifics,
that's when we realized that Reagan was in mortal jeopardy --     
or the Reagan Administration was in mortal jeopardy because these
guys could pull the plug on him some time later. And they would have
leverage against him. And Alvarez wrote a letter to REAGAN on that,
outlining those concerns.

IAN MASTERS:
that they would blackmail him because of the dealings?

MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO:
Well the potential was there. Okay?                         
You've got to realize that in intelligence gathering you don't go
to church and wait to talk to people after church whom you expect
to cultivate as sources. Okay?  You look for the people who don't
go to church, and you find out why and what they're doing.  And if
they've got some fetish that they're in the closet with, you hire
agents or operatives to get in the closet with them and severely
compromise them. That's one technique. And it's something that is
widely used.                                                 

You're not dealing with the best of human nature in intelligence
gathering, you know, just by the very nature of the job that has
to be done. And to be effective in intelligence gathering, you
have to be effective in the art of compromise, among many other
arts. So when people get upset about things that come out from
intelligence operations, especially successful ones, they really
don't know what they're talking about. What they should be upset
about is when authorized objectives are exceeded, and when a group
of people who are conducting intelligence are allowed to take
matters into their own hands, as what has led to the situation
today. That's what people should get upset about -- not the fact
that governments have to engage in this kind of behavior.

IAN MASTERS:
Well, we're specifically talking about the October Surprise.

MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO:
Now, here again, we're into a background shot, and you've got a
classic compromise situation taking place with the incoming Reagan
Administration. And Alvarez wrote a letter warning Reagan about
this possibility. He wanted to make him AWARE.  He expressed his
loyalty as an American -- especially as a Native American. And he
expressed his hopes in what Reagan stood for. Reagan wrote him
back a very short, but very nice letter. And from the tone of the
letter, it's OBVIOUS that Reagan got Fred's letter and was aware
of the contents of it. And this is stuff that we have in our hands.

Now, about the same time, Senator [James] Abourezk gave a keynote
speech at one of the many social events that were going on down at
the Cabazon Reservation. And he praised the Tribe's efforts in
helping to secure the release of the hostages. I mean, there were 
hundreds of people there who heard and saw this. Okay?
Now what is a United States senator doing praising this Tribe of
under thirty Indians for their efforts in the international arena,
if there wasn't something going on? Okay? 

Now you've got to realize that what I say about my direct knowledge
about the transfer of that money, other people are saying is pure
fabrication, and that if I believe it, then I have to be delusional.
That's what they're saying. When I was in Springfield, I was
putting pressure on [former Nixon aide Michael Allen] May to come
forward. The prison authorities recorded those phone conversations.
And they objected (and it's in my report) not about May
specifically, but they objected to the number of calls I was making
and the kinds of calls I was making. After May was found dead  
(the last time I talked to him was two days before he was found
dead) [his autopsy revealed drugs in his body], I was told .....
Well first of all, they asked me: "What is going on with May?
Were you blackmailing him?"  And I said: "WHAT? I mean, I'm
thinking about having the man join my defense team. Either that or
take over as my lead attorney. Why would I be blackmailing somebody
like that?"  And they got real cute.  I had to find out from
somebody else that the man was dead!  And I said: "Well, I think
he's going to be coming out here to see me. Either that, or he's
going to be seeing me immediately when I get back to Seattle."
And they just were cute in their remarks.

IAN MASTERS:
Well, Michael Riconosciuto, we've only got a couple of minutes
left. I'm about to go live here in a few short minutes. So can you
finally tie up the threads. I mean, you feel that you've been
framed. You were warned by both Videnieks and Brian not to
cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee on the Inslaw
investigation.

MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO:
Not warned by Brian; just by Videnieks.

IAN MASTERS:
And you feel that you've been set up on a drug charge, in effect,
for not playing ball with them.
                        (to be continued)
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       This is one of countless stories unveiling the deeply corrupted    
       and subverted state of our theoretically democratic Government.
       This story makes disgustingly obvious the fact that patriotism
       is not the waving of flags, the tying of yellow ribbons and the 
       supporting of the Government, just because it happens to be ours.
       You don't support cancer just because you happen to have it.
       Patriotism is telling the truth to the people of our country
       in order that they may unite to conquer the anti-democratic
       cancer that is gradually destroying ours and our children's
       freedom. So please post the installments of this ongoing series
       to other bulletin boards, and post hardcopies in public places,
       both on and off campus.  That would be a truly patriotic deed.

       John DiNardo


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