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From: skeeter@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: American Federation of Teachers on School Violence
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:27:30 GMT

From article <1992Aug17.232435.21825@samba.oit.unc.edu>, by Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen):
> Here is a press release from the American Federation of Teachers
>  
>  American Federation of Teachers to Offer Resolution to Combat
> School Violence
>  To: National Desk, Education Writer
>  Contact: Janet Bass of the American Federation of Teachers,
>           202-879-4554
>  

This should not have gone to alt.security.  It is not relevant.
Articles regarding anti-gun movements should go to talk.politics.guns.


skeeter@skatter.usask.ca					no nifty .sig
From: g9218955@cs.uow.edu.au (James Mathew)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Chicago Universities Information
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:45:39 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

Can anyone send me list of all universities which has got computer
Science graduate course in Chicago..

Thanking You in advance,

James

e-mail : g9218955@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
From: s9263@gte.com (Rajesh Kumar Sah)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:23:21 GMT
Reply-To: s9263@bunny.GTE.COM
Distribution: ne
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

just a test;please ignore.
From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers)
Subject: Re: American Federation of Teachers on School Violence
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:50:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: N/I
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns

In article <1992Aug17.232435.21825@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
[ ... ]
> American Federation of Teachers to Offer Resolution to Combat
>School Violence

[ ... listing a number of reasonable-to-good ideas on how to
deal with violence in schools; and then, out of nowhere ...  :-]

>   * Continuing to support the Brady Bill and/or other stringent
>federal measures against the sale of and easy access to handguns and
>semi-automatic weapons.

It is against Federal law for children to purchase firearms.  Every state
regulates access to firearms by children of school age.  It is a Federal
felony for anyone, not just children, to have unlocked access to a firearm
within 1000 feet of a school.  And of course it is generally against the
law to do harm with a firearm, as with anything else.

Even if we assume that yet another law about another thing is a good idea,
the Brady Bill is about adults purchasing firearms.  How is this supposed
to reduce violence in the schools?

(BTW, hadn't I heard that the Brady Bill is a "reasonable waiting period",
not a "stringent ... measure against the sale of and easy access ..." ? :)

>   The AFT represents 790,000 teachers, professors, paraprofessionals
>and school-related personnel, nurses and health care workers, state
>and municipal employees.

And these people are teaching your children what the 2nd Amendment means.

Followups to talk.politics.guns
From: tnzj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:27:54 EDT
Followup-To: misc.kids,misc.education
Distribution: na,misc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <16163@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>,
darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes: 
> In article <1992Aug17.161034.16444@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes:
>> 
>> Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
>> We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
>> with folks who know more about it than we do.
> 
> Can't help with the newsgroup, but I can offer lots of moral support.
> I'd encourage you to read, if you ever have second thoughts about it,
> a book called "Dumbing us Down", by John Taylor Gatto, former Teacher
> of the Year in New York State. It's available through the New Society
> Press (I'll bring the address tomorrow if you're interested in
> following through). This book is a searing indictment of the public
> school system and really exposes, IMHO, the ethical and spiritual
> bankruptcy of the whole system (I am not a Christian, so that's not
> where I'm coming from with these comments). In a nutshell, he says
> that schools have a "hidden curriculum" which is designed to produce
> willing cogs in our industrial society, i.e., ravenous consumers,
> people who follow orders, and who can't think for themselves.
> 
> Richard

I also can offer moral support.  John Gatto's ideas got me started in home-
schooling.  Public schools have a "hidden cirriculum" and a hidden purpose;
to allow parents to work as willing cogs in our industrial society by
separating them from their children.  Homeschooling allows one to grow with
the child as you explore together what they would learn in school as well
as whatever you think would contribute to making your children the emotionally
healthiest, happiest, etc people they ca be.
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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: misc.education,talk.politics.misc,wi.general,soc.college
Subject: Teachers Union Passes Resolution on Bargaining Rights of Univ. Staff
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:48:32 GMT
Organization: Echo Beach

Here is a press release from the American Federation of Teachers.

 Teachers Union Passes Resolution on Bargaining Rights of University
of Wisconsin Staff
 To: National Desk, Wisconsin Correspondent
 Contact: Gloria Toivola or Chris Bartolemeo of the American
          Federation of Teachers, 412-281-7160

   PITTSBURGH, Aug. 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The American Federation of
Teachers passed a resolution at their convention here today calling
for federal legislation that would extend full collective bargaining
rights to all state and local government employees, including faculty
and academic staff in state university systems.
   Gloria Toivola, president of the Association of the University of
Wisconsin Professionals, said the resolution was "a welcome voice for
fair and decent working conditions for state university employees."
   "Faculty and academic staff in state universities lack the most
basic say in their salaries, benefits and working conditions," said
Toivola.  "The legislation this resolution calls for would give these
professionals the same bargaining rights that K-12 teachers already
enjoy."
   Toivola also applauded Democratic presidential candidate Bill
Clinton's call for a long-term national investment in education in
his speech to more than 3,000 AFT delegates on Aug. 12.  Clinton
advocated a federal student loan program that would allow all
students to go to college, repaying the loans through either future
income or national service such as teaching or nursing.
   "Gov. Clinton understands that we must give students something to
hope for, something to make hard work in grade school and high school
worthwhile," said Toivola.
   Ray Spoto, vice president of the Association of University of
Wisconsin Professionals, said, "Bill Clinton wants grassroots reform.
He's invested in higher education in Arkansas, making it one of the
top five states for investment in higher education over the past 10
years.  He knows how to listen to the people on the frontlines, the
people in the classroom.  We heartily concur with AFT's endorsement
of Clinton for president."
   The AFT represents 790,000 teachers, higher education faculty and
staff, paraprofessionals and school-related personnel, nurses and
health care workers, state and municipal employees.
 -30-

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: nipun@skorpio.usask.ca (Nipun Basil)
Subject: Program in Network Management
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:48:05 GMT


Hi, 

I am interested in taking up a Master's program in Computer Networks Management.
I am basically looking towards a syllabi that has courses on networks, distributed
systems, design and maintenance of networks and their management. Are there any
Universities in the U.S that offer such a program? I would appreciate relevant
addresses and other sources of information.

Thanks in advance.

Nipun
nipun@skorpio.usask.ca
From: marco@Cadence.COM (Marco Carilli)
Subject: Any 4/5 months courses on History/Literature ?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:33:42 GMT

Hello,

I'd like to have any kind of information concerning
courses on History and Literature topics which a friend
of mine from Italy might attend at a University in
the Bay Area. She is interested in spending about 4 months
(from September to December '92).

In particular, besides the actual programs of the courses,
I need to know about prerequisites and costs.


If you have those information and/or know where I could find them,
please send me mail to :   marco@cadence.com   .

Thanks in advance,

			Marco Carilli
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow)
Subject: Advice wanted about National University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:25:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Anyone out there know anything about National University?

What do you think?
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Newsgroups: misc.education,alt.security,soc.culture.usa
From: heidi@moe (Heidi Thompson Ed. Psyc.)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Facilitated Communication
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:16:17 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I work with several students with autistic-type disabilities.  Recently there
has been a furor over what the researcher who worked with our children called
"Facilitated Commuication."  Basically, this consists of a letter board on 
which these children (who have little or no speech) spell out complex sentences
and thoughts on this board, complete with punctuation!  If this is really 
happening, these children are actually very high functioning intellectually, 
and it's only their adaptive behavior that is so very low.  
 Can anyone out there give me more information on this subject?  Cursory 
searches of ERIC have revealed nothing so far.  Has this tecnique been 
published?

Thank you for your replies,

heidi
heidi@moe.coe.uga.edu
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:10:23 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Bush playing `the blame game' with education, Clinton charges
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

[Houston Chronicle, Aug 13, 1992, excerpts from:]
    Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton charged President Bush
on Wedesday with practicing "the blame game" in an effort to abdicate
responsibility for the nation's educational problems.
[...]
    Clinton said the Bush administration was attempting to mislead the
public by claims the U.S. spends too much on public education.
    "The United States does spend a higher percentage of its income on
education than any nation in the world, but only if you include higher
education," Clinton said. "On kindergarten through 12th grade, we are
nowhere near first in education. There are eight or nine other countries
that spend a higher percentage on education."
    Although Clinton also said that some funds are being misspent, he
added, "Let's have some analysis and some cold truth and some real
political pressure to change spending."
 [...]
     The Democratic presidential candidate said he endorsed the need for
"less bureaucracy and more school based management," including greater
"flexibility for teachers to spend in the best way."

===========================
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: jmi@vipunen.hut.fi (Jarmo T T Miettinen)
Subject: school or education groups ?
Keywords: School,Education
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:10:48 GMT

  
 What the most intresting newsgroups or mailing lists pertaining to 
 education or schooling ?

 I'm looking for information channels to international education for Finnish Ministry of Education.


[B
jarmo.miettinen@juha.fi
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: Don Soucy <AB47@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: School choice
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:01:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215145.733@clipper.ingr.com> ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.053150.11871@src.umd.edu> tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>
>>I don't believe that the U.S. would be be able to educate all of its
>>kids by eradicating public education.  But I'm not sure.  There is only
>>one way to find out, try it.
>>
>
>We already did.  It was called the 19th Century.  The literacy rate
>was fairly stable at 90% throughout the century, in spite of the
>addition of millions of impoverished immigrants, many of whom
>didnt speak a word of English.
>
>The Lancaster Schools are an interesting historical
>example of innovative education accomplished at low cost.
>The basic idea was that the older kids
>learned how to teach certain subjects to the younger ones.  This
>reduced the number of teachers required.  Of course, the public
>schools wont have any of this, as they are run by the NEA.
>
  -  The Lancaster schools (also known as Bell, Madras, or
monitorial system) was built on rote learning and regimentation.
That is how monitors were able to "teach" their charges, who in
turn were able to pass on what they memorized to other students
below them.  Interesting, yes -- but certainly not a solution
we would want to resort to.

>Public schools did not become universal and compulsory until
>the early 20th Century.  Prior to that time, public schools were
>the exception rather than the rule.
>
> -  Depends where you are taliking about and how you define
"universal."  For much of the eastern U.S. and Canada, common
/ public schools were the rule by the 1860s.
>.
>.

Newsgroups: misc.education
From: dharper@hounix.org (David Harper)
Subject: College Guides
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:09:04 GMT

Netfolks,

I have the recent John Bear guides to non-traditional degrees.

I have a packet of stuff from Degree Consulting Services
in Santa Rosa, California.

I have Thorson's "Campus-Free College Degrees" book.

I have "The Guide to Alternative Education" book by
Educational Research Associates in Simi Valley, California.

I just sent off for "University Degrees by Mail" from the 
Official University Directory folks (whoever they are)
in Westminster, California.

So, what else is available in the way of guides, reviews,
ratings, etc. for non-traditional colleges?

Thanks, David Harper  dharper@hounix.org
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: werme@alliant.com (Ric Werme)
Subject: Re: Science fiction, literature, politics, schools
Organization: Alliant Computer Systems Corp.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:16:59 GMT

In article <14201@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>Ric Werme certainly got Lee Story upset, and with good reason. I just want to
>deal with one of Ric's arguments: that science fiction should be a large part
>of the curriculum "because it helps prepare people for the future," or words to
>that effect.
>
>... I can say
>with some confidence that SF does a lousy job of predicting the future and
>hasn't done a damn thing to prepare *me* for the present, let alone the future.

On the other hand, between working on the early days of the ARPAnet (I wrote
some of the very first Email stuff) and reading SF, I found Alvin Toffler's
_Future Shock_ boring and three times longer than necessary.

>If preparing people for the future was really a desirable educational goal,
>students would do better learning how to extrapolate population-growth stats,

I read the Club of Rome's _The Limits to Growth_ while taking a control systems
course in college.  Then I read _Graybeard_ (?), a SF novel about a world in
a similar collapse.  I was depressed for a week!

>Teaching it in high school because students can "relate" to it is
>simply pandering to the laziness and conservatism of young ignoramuses.

As in my response to Lee, I'm not advocating replacing classical
literature with SF, just including some more of it.  If the teacher
can use it to encourage the nerds to look at the rest of literature
closer, so much the better.

-- 
| A pride of lions               | Eric J Werme                 |
| A gaggle of geese              | 77 Tater St                  |
| An odd lot of programmers      | Mont Vernon NH  03057        |
| A Constitution of Libertarians | Phone: 603-673-3993          |
Newsgroups: misc.education,talk.politics.misc,k12.chat.teacher
From: werme@alliant.com (Ric Werme)
Subject: Re: Shanker Appeals To AFT Delegates To Fight Private School Vouchers
Organization: Alliant Computer Systems Corp.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:25:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.164612.21876@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>
>Here is a press release from the American Federation of Teachers.
> 
> Shanker Appeals To AFT Delegates To Fight Private School Vouchers
> To: National Desk, Education Writers
>   Shanker told the delegates that private school voucher plans will
>have a ripple effect on other public services.
>   "If the American people allow the public schools to go private,
>what hope is there for public higher education?

As a 20 year veteran in the highly competive computer field,  I would say
that increased competition with public schools could well make them
better!  It would certainly make school boards, administrations, and AFT
members more accountable.

>   Shanker also said that private schools receiving any federal
>dollars should be required to adhere to the same regulations public
>schools must obey.

Oh come on, you're just trying to preserve your monopoly!

>   On reforming education, Shanker stressed that two jobs lay ahead:
>improving traditional schools and creating new, innovative schools.

Why is it I keep hearing those challenges but keep seeing declines
in SAT scores, stoodints whoo dont spel gud (I saw an awful example
two days ago), and proposals for systems that are difficult to evaluate?

>   "Most of the schools around the world that are old-fashioned are
>doing better than we are.  Therefore, we need to change not only to
>create new schools, but we need to engage in a rigorous and tough
>process of change within traditional schools and ask, 'How can we
>substantially improve?'" Shanker said.

Why create new systems?  From some of the stories I hear, one room
schoolhouses with McGuffy readers could outperform what we have!

>   The AFT represents 796,000 teachers and professors, school-
>related employees and paraprofessionals, nurses and health care
>workers, state and municipal workers.

My apologies at injecting some flames into what is a remarkably
well behaved group, but Shankar tickled some sensitive feelings.
-- 
| A pride of lions               | Eric J Werme                 |
| A gaggle of geese              | 77 Tater St                  |
| An odd lot of programmers      | Mont Vernon NH  03057        |
| A Constitution of Libertarians | Phone: 603-673-3993          |
Newsgroups: misc.education,rec.scouting,soc.college,soc.college.grad
From: Mischa_Sandberg@mindlink.bc.ca (Mischa Sandberg)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:04:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Steve Frysinger of Blu writes:
> Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
> We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
> with folks who know more about it than we do.
> Thanks!


There's a home ed mailing list (home-ed@ima.isc.com) that might interest you.
Home schoolers tend towards networks (data and other), so look around
on local BBS's, perhaps. In Vancouver, we have the Greater Vancouver
Homeschoolers Net, for example.


--
Mischa Sandberg ... Mischa_Sandberg@mindlink.bc.ca
                 or uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!Mischa_Sandberg
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Physicists think reality is an approximation of the equations.
Mathematicians never make the connection.
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: k9jma@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (edwin.m.schaefer)
Subject: Re: Taxation of students
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:29:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.214034.14785@den.mmc.com> weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser) writes:
>Congress' failure to extend section 127 of the U.S. tax code, which

This is more than a little "loaded" - they didn't fail, they considered
the need for equitable distribution of scarce resources and decided not to
extend the subsidy that you want.  It may be that the proponents of the
subsidy failed but the Congress as a whole did not fail.

>provides an exclusion for employer-provided educational assistance,
>is forcing working students to leave their degree programs.  Write

Forcing to leave? These poor "working students" have no discretionary
income to use to pay for their degree programs?  Oh, wait, they only
need pay the tax on the increase in their income provided by their
employers to pay for their degree programs. Anyway, have they no such
income that they now choose to spend on other things more important
to them? If the degree program isn't important enough to the supposed
student to elicit voluntary payment of even the tax on its cost then it
isn't valuable enough for the taxpayers to be required to subsidize it.

>your congress people and express your displeasure with their failure.

I am pleased with their success and will make it a point to let
my congresscreature know that. I hope many others will do the same.

>It isn't fair to take money out of the pockets of students and put it
>in the pockets of the government.

It isn't fair to take money out of the pockets of all the rest of the
workers to subsidize "students" that evidently personally place absolutely
no value on their studies as evidenced by their stated unwillingness to
participate unless the program is _absolutely_ free of cost to them.
"Students" should pay their taxes just like the rest of us!

>
>Matt Weiser
>weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com

Ed Schaefer
From: jfg@spiderman.bu.edu (John F. Gibbon)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: no taxes on scholarships
Keywords: taxes, scholarships
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:36:15 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: jfg@spiderman.bu.edu



	While you may have heard, it is worth repeating that the
current U.S. Congress is considering a bill which would make scholarships
and fellowships once again exempt from taxes.  This bill also allows
for all taxes that have been paid on scholarships and fellowships
since 1987 (when they were first taxed) to be refunded.  

	This is obviously beneficial to the entire academic community,
especially graduated students.  Please write or call your representative and
even senators to voice your support for this bill.

It has been introduced in the House of Representatives as HR 4418 by
Rep. Lewis of Florida.


You can call 1-800-347-1997 to get information to find out who is your federal
representative.  Otherwise, you can call the House of Representatives directly
at 202-224-3121.

Spread the word.
Newsgroups: misc.education,talk.politics.misc,k12.chat.teacher