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From: hmm@heeg.de (Hans-Martin Mosner)
Subject: Re: help wanted for PP R4 : password DialogView and unix links problems
Keywords: PP R4,paragraph editor for passwords
Organization: Georg Heeg Objektorientierte Systeme, Dortmund, FRG
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:35:41 GMT

In article <569@telegraphe.UUCP> beugnard@telegraphe.UUCP (Antoine Beugnard) writes:
>
>Hi smalltalkers,
>
>I have two questions related to PP st R4:
>
>1 : does anybody had already realized a DialogView prompting for a password
>that do not echo the password but, say, $*'s ? (with may be, a new paragraph editor). If so, could you give me some clue, thanks.

Here is some code that does it.  For 4.0, you have to change the methods
getCharacterBlockScanner and getCompositionScanner.  Take them from the
superclass and replace
	self text
with
	(self textAt: 1)

Have fun,
Hans-Martin
(Sorry I don't have a quick solution for the link problem)


'From Objectworks\Smalltalk(R), Release 4.1 of 15 April 1992 on 7 October 1992 at 9:27:50 am'!

ComposedText subclass: #PasswordText
	instanceVariableNames: ''
	classVariableNames: ''
	poolDictionaries: ''
	category: 'Password'!


!PasswordText methodsFor: 'line accessing'!

textAt: aLine
	^String new: text size withAll: $*! !

!PasswordText methodsFor: 'private'!

getCharacterBlockScanner
	"Get a CharacterBlockScanner for the receiver."

	^CharacterBlockScanner fontPolicy: self fontPolicy text: (self textAt: 1) textAttributes: self textStyle!

getCompositionScanner
	"Get a CompositionScanner for the receiver."

	^CompositionScanner fontPolicy: self fontPolicy text: (self textAt: 1) textAttributes: self textStyle! !
"-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "!

PasswordText class
	instanceVariableNames: ''!


!PasswordText class methodsFor: 'examples'!

requestPassword: messageString 
	"Code copied from DialogView class>>request:initialAnswer:onCancel: 
	and slightly modified to use PasswordText. 
	Better put this code into DialogView class."
	"PasswordText requestPassword: 'Enter Password:'"

	| aModel aDV v |
	aModel := ValueHolder newString.
	aDV := DialogView model: aModel.
	aDV
		indent: 8;
		addVerticalSpace: 4;
		addTextLabel: messageString;
		addVerticalSpace: 4;
		addTextFieldOn: aModel initially: ''.
	v := aDV components last.
	[v isKindOf: Wrapper] whileTrue: [v := v component].
	v displayContents: PasswordText new.
	aDV addVerticalSpace: 4.
	aDV open.
	^aModel value! !
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Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 13:58:44 CET
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Prograph ?
From: Stefan Schiffer <schiffer@swe.uni-linz.ac.at>
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I post this for a collegue of mine who currently
has no
access to NetNews:
Greetings from Austria.
We have been trying to order Prograph and find
that the phone/fax/address
on the demo diskette seem to have been preempted.
Is TGS Systems defunct?
Or does someone have a new address/phone/fax?
The address we have is:
   TGS Systems
   1127 Barrington St., Suite 19
   Halifax, NS
   B3H 2P8 Canada
   phone: 902-429-5642  (800 numbers cannot be
reached form Europe)
   fax:   902-425-0561
If TGS had died, it seems we would have heard
about it at the VL'92
conference last month in Seattle.
Why should it be harder to buy software than to
pirate it?!?
Thank you for any assistance.
Bob Bach
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From: jclf@anwaya.demon.co.uk (Jason Fordham)
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Subject: Porting between the various Smalltalk/v platforms?
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:42:42 +0000

Does anyone have experience of porting from (or to) st/v win to
(or from) st/v 286, st/v mac, and st/v dos?

I'd be grateful for any information from developers who've done
ports, or used any two of these environments.

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From: brianm@cc.gatech.edu (Brian N. Miller)
Subject: Re: Numeric Computing with Smalltalk
Reply-To: brianm@cc.gatech.edu (Brian N. Miller)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:05:13 GMT

In article <BRUCE.92Oct8082838@utafll.utafll.uta.edu> bruce@utafll.uta.edu (Bruce Samuelson) writes:
>
>I would assume your Fortran compiler produces faster number crunching
>code than your C compiler.

Why?
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Subject: General Arithmetic
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:07:12 +0200
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Stephen,
If you are using SmallTalk V/286 change Paulo Lisboa example as:
 | number |
 number := #(2 4 6 8).
 number collect:[ :item | item + 1 ].
Hope this helps.
Jorge
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From: peterg@netcom.com (Peter Goodall)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: T-gen for Smalltalk/VWIN 2.0
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:08:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I have posted T-gen for Smalltalk/VWIN 2.0 to st.cs.uiuc.edu . The port was
done by Hal Hildebrand. I just transfered the files.

Peter Goodall -- peterg@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:32:16 UCR
From:         Federico Zoufaly <FZOUFALY@UCRVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MVC in Smalltalk/V?

I have used Smalltalk/V on a Mac II computer.
Its Model View Controller is built around the Model and View-Controoller
pair.  You can easily separate the model from its view or controller, but
it is very difficult, if not impossible to separate a View from its controller.
I believe that the PPSmalltalk, at least the r 4.1, has a much better MVC
implementation than St/V.  The triad is fully separated and it is really easy
to implement an application using that paradigm.
I am sure that smalltalker once he has learned the MVC paradigm will never
abandon it.
Regards, Federico.
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From: bergstro@src.honeywell.com (Pete Bergstrom)
Subject: Re: re: ST/V PM 2.0 upgrade -- overpriced ?
To: comp.lang.smalltalk
Posted-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13: 01:01 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:01:01 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13: 01:06 CDT

From: jclf@anwaya.demon.co.uk (Jason Fordham)
>I wrote
>> I just called the sales line and was told that the $275 applies to
>> everybody (I bought my copy 2.5 weeks ago on September 11, 1992).
>>
>> I've fired off an unhappy note to the compuserve address asking them
>> to clarify this situation.
>
>Please, keep us informed. It may be time to think about porting
>GNU.

I already had it compiled on my OS/2 machine - no changes that I can
remember.  However, it didn't work for all the test cases and I didn't
have the time to muck with it.  

Now, I'm toying with the idea of using it to experiment with
Distributed Smalltalk ideas, so my interest is definitely rising.

Pete
From: kamela@cps.msu.edu ([Ahmed Mohamed Kamel])
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Numeric Computing with Smalltalk
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:21:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: kamela@pleiades.cps.msu.edu

We are thinking of porting a large program from Fortran to Smalltalk
(ObjectWorks 4.1).

To help us make that decision, we are making a primitive form of
benchmarking. We ran the following piece of code in smalltalk and its
equivalent code in Fortran. The Smalltalk code run time is approximately
2.5 times its Fortran counterpart. We recognize of course that Fortran
compilers do lots of optimization, but are there any tricks that could
be applied to the smalltalk code to enhance its speed performance?

Any hints will be greatly appreciated.

Here is the Smalltalk code:

test
        | x    |
        x := 0.5.
        100000 timesRepeat: [
                x := x exp.
                x := x sin.
                (x > 1) ifTrue: [x := x /5]
                                ifFalse: [x := x ** 1.1]].
        Transcript show: x printString.

Thanks alot in advance.

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From: bruce@utafll.uta.edu (Bruce Samuelson)
Subject: Re: Coping with copy in PP ST r4.1
Organization: UTexas at Arlington, Linguistics
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:55:16 GMT

Object uses shallowCopy as the default implementation of copy.
Subclasses can override this.  This is a common style of Smalltalk
programming, to set up a generic default behavior that is specialized
by subclasses.  ParcPlace has been phasing out support for deepCopy
because of theoretical problems such as infinite recursion for
circular structures.
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From: bruce@utafll.uta.edu (Bruce Samuelson)
Subject: Re: Numeric Computing with Smalltalk
Organization: UTexas at Arlington, Linguistics
	<BRUCE.92Oct8082838@utafll.utafll.uta.edu>
	<1992Oct9.160513.27905@cc.gatech.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:37:57 GMT

>>I would assume your Fortran compiler produces faster number crunching
>>code than your C compiler.

>Why?

That's what I've read in the literature, at least for supercomputers.
I don't know why, unless it's that Fortran's popularity with
scientists and engineers gives its compiler vendors more incentive to
optimize its floating point performance than C compiler vendors.  This
is pure speculation.  You can do you own comparisons on the machine
you use.
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From: alistair@mits.com.au
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: DDE in Smalltalk V/Windows
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:47:10 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: alistair

Having read Ron Schultz text on Dynamic Data Exchange in Smalltalk
V/Windows (obtained from CompuServe), and had a look at the examples
supplied with Smalltalk, I would like to find out more about this, and
specifically what can be done with MS Word and MS Excel (such as
entering headings in Word, and cell values in Excel, for example).

If anyone has a list of the items which may be 'poked', etc, or knows a
good reference, would they please let me know.

Thanks in advance,

Alistair Grant

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From: golovch@prim.rose.utoronto.ca (Gene Golovchinsky)
Subject: parallel processing 
Summary: Looking for examples of multi-process simulations
Keywords: parallel processes discrete simulation
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:13:47 GMT

Hi!

I need to build a set objects that can be combined (graphically) by a
user to produce a working simulation of a system. The PP ST4.1 and Digitalk
documentation alludes to the possibility (and desireability) of using
parallel Smalltalk processes to do this, but gives no examples.  Does
anyone have any code or good documentation on a good way to do this?
I couldn't find the Goldberg book mentioned in the Digitalk documentation;
the Budd book was basically useless.

 2
G
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From: knight@mrco.carleton.ca (Alan Knight)
Subject: Re: Converting a Smalltalk-80 App. to C++
Reply-To: knight@mrco.carleton.ca (Alan Knight)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:30:58 GMT

In <1992Oct12.215625.14917@den.mmc.com> herkimer@tigercat.den.mmc.com (Don Herkimer) writes:

>Digitalk has some *very* nice ST GUI builders for native host look-and feel.
>I hear the one for OS 2 "takes NextStep to the next step."  Beware of
>poor run-time performance, though!  It's not cache-compiled like ST-80.

No, it's fully compiled. That means it will probably take more memory,
but with enough memory it should be fast. 

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: Coping with copy in PP ST r4.1
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:44:30 GMT

In article <BRUCE.92Oct13205516@utafll.utafll.uta.edu> bruce@utafll.uta.edu (Bruce Samuelson) writes:

   ...ParcPlace has been phasing out support for deepCopy because of
   theoretical problems such as infinite recursion for circular
   structures.

That's not good enough! #deepCopy has *practical* problems, such as
chewing up memory when you least expect it. (Try to deepCopy a
SortedCollection, for instance, which holds a BlockClosure, which
holds a CompiledLocalBlock, which holds a metaclass, which links in
the entire class tree...)

There are numerous solutions for avoiding infinite recursion, the
simplest of which (context query) does not even require any additional
state.

I find #deepCopy so useful that I've implemented #deepSize, a "better
BOSS", and lots of other deep things. They can be slow memory hogs,
but if you use such things within their practical limitations, what's
the problem? When #deepCopy goes away, I'll put it back!

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From: dik@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Richard Bentley)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Coping with copy in PP ST r4.1
Keywords: copy, deepCopy, shallowCopy, postCopy, adNauseumCopy
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:52:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Could somebody please explain to me how copy is supposed to work.
To me, if I take a copy of (say) a Dictionary, the copy should not
just have pointers to the original Dictionaries instance variables,
so that if I change an value is my copy, the original is also
changed.

I cannot see the difference between copy and shallowCopy as implemented
in r4.1. OK - copy does a postCopy afterwards which does nothing
when you copy a Dictionary.

Is this how copy is supposed to work? If I want a 'deepCopy' of a 
composite object (one that references other objects using instance
variables), how should I go about it ? 

Richard

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:26:52 UCR
From:         Federico Zoufaly <FZOUFALY@UCRVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      Some questions

Hello everybody,
i have some questions.
First, can I have a view in a MVC system which is not rectangular?
Second, is there any shareable pixel editor for Smalltalk?
Third, is there any shareable Mac Draw alike editor for Smalltalk?
i am using Parc Place Smalltalk r 4.1.

My purpose is to create a graphical interface for a simulation model.
I would like the user to "connect" different objects to build up the model.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Federico.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:20:56 +0000
From:         "benot marchal" <INFSTDMARCH@BNANDP51.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Documenting programs written in OOLs

In a previous article, Matt Wu wrote :

> Is there a particularly good way to document classes/application code
> that works especially well with object-oriented languages?

Documentation is something very important in OO architecture because
of the emphasis on the reusability of the code.
I remember a good discussion on this point in Bradd Cox's book :
"Object oriented programming : an evolutionary approach" (Addison Wesley).

                                                 ben
From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: comparing object-oriented platforms
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:09:04 GMT
Organization: Private OS/2 System

nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM writes in article <1992Oct5.182656.15573@jetsun.weitek.COM>:

> What applications don't use complex arithmetic functions? I have yet to
> find a business app that didn't do a lot of calculations...

 Beside the fact that computer always do a lot of calculations *I* think
about applications e.g. like Excel, Lotus 1-2-3 or Mathematica, which
main purposes are to do mathematical processing expecially with floating
point numbers (all ST dialects handle integer values in a special way --
which result in good speed using integer values whenever possible) or
perhaps writing FORTRAN-style-programs in ST could result in poor
performance.

 MF

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From: rosey@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Dan Rosenthal)
Subject: Is ST 4.1 Apple-event Aware? (System 7)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:39:14 GMT

Hi:

I am in the process of upgrading existing code from 
ST 4.0 to 4.1.  The current code has some ugly patches
in it because 4.0 is not aware of system 7 "Apple Events."

The question is whether 4.1 is aware of Apple Events, and 
if so, which ones?  The manual makes no mention of these
things so I am inclined to think it is not aware.

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From: jclf@anwaya.demon.co.uk (Jason Fordham)
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In article <9210021940.AA04644@data.src.honeywell.com> bergstro@src.honeywell.com (Pete Bergstrom) writes:

> I just called the sales line and was told that the $275 applies to
> everybody (I bought my copy 2.5 weeks ago on September 11, 1992).
>
> I've fired off an unhappy note to the compuserve address asking them
> to clarify this situation.

Please, keep us informed. It may be time to think about porting
GNU.

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From: bernard@is.morgan.com (Bernard Horan)
Subject: Re: trapping scrolling events in a ComposedTextView
Keywords: scrolling ComposedTextView
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:36:38 GMT

In article <golovch.718403631@prim.rose.utoronto.ca>, golovch@prim.rose.utoronto.ca (Gene Golovchinsky) writes:
|> I have a subclass of ComposedTextView (actually of TextView, but who's
|> counting) that needs to inform its container's container (a ComposedView)
|> that it (C-T-V) has scrolled.  I tried to track down the logic in a
|> ScrollingWrapper, but that seemed to apply to the scroll bars only.
|> And looking at the ScrollingView code, I didn't see any connection to the
|> C-T-V.  I assume that it does not invalidate the entire bounds but just the
|> area that is about to get scrolled into view.  Unfortunately, I haven't
|> found the code that does it... anyone know what's going on?
|> 
|> Thanks!
|> 
|>  2
|> G
 


Completely off the top of my head.. If you're using R4.1 have a look at
the stuff in ScrollingView and ScrollingWrapper that refers to the
ScrollValueHolder, a sort of shared model that appears to provide
some form of communication between the two.

Bernard
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From: herkimer@tigercat.den.mmc.com (Don Herkimer)
Subject: Re: Converting a Smalltalk-80 App. to C++
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:56:25 GMT

In article <N5JHsB4w165w@toz.buffalo.ny.us>, nicted@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Nicole Tedesco) writes:
> Has anyone had any experience converting a Smalltalk-80 app. to C++?
> Is it worth my while to create an MVC environment in C++?  Or, should I 
> adopt a whole new paradigm?

I believe that a product called ObjectBuilder, from (eeek!) ParcPlace
(actually from Solbourne Software, now *owned* by ParcPlace), would
allow you to interactively build C++ encapsulated Motif and OpenWindows
applications.  I would hope that the product does a sensible job of
objectifying these X widget libraries in C++.  See Douglas Young's
book on "Object-Oriented Programming with C++ and OSF/Motif."


> We have to dump ParcPlace's Smalltalk-80 because of problems we have with 
> the runtime fees.  WOuld I be better off going to Smalltalk/V?  Or, would
> C++ be better off in the long run.

Digitalk has some *very* nice ST GUI builders for native host look-and feel.
I hear the one for OS 2 "takes NextStep to the next step."  Beware of
poor run-time performance, though!  It's not cache-compiled like ST-80.


> I love Smalltalk-80.  I have learned to see C++ as something of an 
> annoyance.

I couldn't agree more.  Having programmed in both for some time now, I find
the memory management issues in C++ tedious to have to worry about.


Don


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