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Subject: Re: Stuff
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:30:26 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <66260@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman) writes:
> The problem with PGP's is that they really don't get much better.  So the
> only real way is to get a better gun, and yes, I know you weren't ready to do
> that yet.  Actually, I'm glad to hear that.  People who play with PGP's,
> Nelspots, etc.  for a while master the basic skills necessary to become
> superb players when they get a better gun.   My advice to you is, now that
> accuracy has become a problem, work on improving your skills that get you
> closer to an opponent.   If you are good enough to advance to within 20' of
> someone without getting shot, you're on the right track.  This will take time
> and it'll get you shot up pretty good for awhile (until you master taking 
> cover but not getting pinned), but you WILL become a quality player.  I'll
> take a quality player over a moron with a semi and 12 million rounds anyday.
> Of course, I'd prefer a quality player with a semi and 12 million rounds, but
> that's asking a little much I'd say.

That's a good point about the "low tech" guns.  I started out playing with
Splatmasters and had a lot of fun with them, I learned a great deal.  As a
beginner, a game with those type of guns gives you a little more margin of
error, unlike games now that are dominated by Pro/am's, PMI's and Automags
("Paint hoses" as a member of my team calls them).
 
While I enjoy playing with the CA weapons (a proud PMI (modified) owner), I
look fondly back on the days when we just used the 12-gram, 10 paintball guns.
 
Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program

> 
> John
> 
> -- 
> John Martin Chapman
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt9989a
> Internet: gt9989a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: e-mail 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:53:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

   Peter Kunz, Chip, and several others, apparentlt my mail
bounced when I tried to respond. Try posting to the net, perhaps
your questions would be of interest to others? I feel like
that is one of the good things about the net, open discussion.
Otherwise, post your snail address in your e-mail (I seem
to be recieving fine) I will try to return your message
the slow way. If you send a phone #, and I can get a good rate
we may just be able to talk by phone.

-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Places...
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:32:08 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <cwang.6.713806000@gsb.columbia.edu> cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang) writes:
>Can anybody give me a list of good paintball places? I'm looking for ones in 
>the NY/NJ area. I hear there are a lot of outdoor places in upstate NY, the 
>indoor ones look cheesy to me. Thanks.
>

There are at least 5 commercial fields within 90 minutes driving distance
from NYC.
Off hand I can name only a few, but every issue of Paintball News contains a
detailed listing of fields nationwide.  Someone commented that the location
map is inaccurate.  I didn't see fault for the listings centered around the
NYC metro area.

North Jersey Paintball Club
201-838-7493, 201-839-3078
Weaver Road, West Milford
Every Saturday and Sunday.
Green Fee is $25(with own gun) and $30(with Sl-68 II rental)
You can bring you own paint or buy theirs.  CO2 fills are $5 for a 7 oz.

The reason I'm able to put down such much infomation is because I received their
quarterly flyer the other day.

-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: electronic paintball
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:10:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92225.101155U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>, U53306@uicvm.uic.edu (DMc) writes
:
>is the bolt normal, plain, vanilla-type plastic or is it Delrin?
>
>if the bolt is Delrin, I would not complain.  A Delrin bolt will almost
>always out-perform it's metal counterparts.  The material cuts _way_
>down on friction and is tough enough to take the wear.  Delrin bolts are
>still a big selling point for quite a few nelspot type guns....
>
>Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
>Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
>coming soon:  <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse!
>

Alignment sleeves for fiber optic connectors (SMA) are made fo Delrin.
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
David W. Jones - Network Coordinator/Telecommunications
                 Lehigh University (215-758-6990)
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From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Summary: Scales for a fill station
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:27:51 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug20.204655.10692@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>Sad
>thing about getting a good quality scale is the cost.  I haven't seen a good 
>quality scale with 1 oz markings for under $35.  One of my friends use an
>inexpensive postal scale.  Only drawback is he can only weigh the tanks before
>and after the fill.  It does the luxury of monitoring the weight of the fill 
>like the hanging scales.

   That's the kind of prices I'm seeing, too.  It seems like too much,
   but even a decent postal scale appears to cost $20.  I figured a
   hanging scale for weighing fish might work, but the ones I've seen
   are very poor quality and measure pounds instead of ounces.  I need
   something, though.  You can't really tell the difference between
   a 4-ounce fill and a 7-ounce fill by holding the bottle in your hand.

   -Bill
From: tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Upgrading F-1 Illustrator for better accuracy
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:18:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

To any F-1 Illustrator Owner,
What have you done to improve the stock guns accuracy.  Please disclose
1. what you added on the gun (type,make, specs,etc.)
2. cost of improvements
3. your judgement in the accuracy improvement over the stock gun

I have just got an F-1 and am not happy with the erratic accuracy of the
stock gun.  I would appreciate hearing from anyone that has improved
theirs so that I won't have to experiment and waste time and $$$.
Thanks alot! - ron
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:31:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <36767@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) writes:
>Question 2:
>
>How many of you have your own CO2 tank, by the looks of the tank at the
>place I play it is the same as a Fountain Drink CO2 tank.  Can I go and
>rent/buy a tank from some place.  What are the costs ?
>
You can buy a 15 pound tank from I&I Sports, Tippmann, and Pneumatic Ordnance
for aproximately $100-125.  You can rent or buy tanks from commercial welding
gas supply houses and fire extinguisher service stations.  Local gas supply
houses will probably have used tanks, at a substantial discount, for sale 
in addition to new tanks.  Whichever sized tank you decide to get make sure it
has a siphon tube.  Call around for tank refills, prices vary widely.  Most
commercial fields do not welcome personal fill stations.
If you decide to get your own bulk tank, don't forget to get a quality scale. 
The safe way to measure CO2 is by weight, not by listening to the sound of the
fill or timing the fill.

-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
From: v070q4r9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris DiPietro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Pro-Am opinions
Keywords: tippman pro-am splooge
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just a few comments about the Pro-Am.

One I like the gun alot except for one feature. The air line 
runs in front of the trigger. This is a very dangerous spot
to have the hose exposed. I talked to some people from Tippman
last weekend at a tournment in Pittsburg, and they said that
it would not be a problem. But a couple hours later, a player
dropped his Tippman right on the hose and it blew. There should 
be some sort of bracket around the hose to protect it in case 
someone were to fall forward on it.

The gun is a nice gun, but I do not think it compares to a
F-1 Illustrator with a SmartsPart barrell and adjustable bolt.


Chris DiPietro
Buffalo New York
Team Lightning Force
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:46:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <2264@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter) writes:
>(Brian J. Smith) writes:

>   fine but time will tell how well it holds up.  I'm keeping my
>   eyes open for a good scale which will weigh ounces.  Most scales
>   seem intended for 10 pounds or more.
>

The scale I seen most offered most often in magazine ads and used in store fills
is the Hanson scale.  The Hanson has 1 oz increments for accurate filling.  
National Paintball Supply sells an electronic scale called 'Weigh In' for $35.
Anyone who had his/her tank filled at the Big Game sponsored by Skirmish should
know that all the fill stations were using the 'Weigh In' electronic scale.  Sad
thing about getting a good quality scale is the cost.  I haven't seen a good 
quality scale with 1 oz markings for under $35.  One of my friends use an
inexpensive postal scale.  Only drawback is he can only weigh the tanks before
and after the fill.  It does the luxury of monitoring the weight of the fill 
like the hanging scales.
-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
From: v070q4r9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris DiPietro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Pitts. Tourny
Keywords: I gotsta know!
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug13.134109.6064@infonode.ingr.com>, kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb) writes...
> 
>Anyone with the results of the 10 man tourny in Pitts. last 
>weekend please contact me. We had a 700 mile drive home and 
>left before the awards.
> 
>Thanks
> 
>KOLB                                        RECON SOUTH


If anyone does know the results please send me also. We also left early
before the finals were over. I know one thing, you guys from Alabama played
a great game against us on field 4. Just when we thought we had control of 
that hill and were ready to go for your flag, I got shot in the ass from one
of your Recon South flankers. Damn it pissed me off.. Oh well..

Chris DiPietro
Team Lightning Force
From: U53306@uicvm.uic.edu (DMc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:15:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92226.151554U53306
 <65886@hydra.gatech.EDU> <65890@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

first and foremost....this is not a flame, don't react violently please...

john,

I think that what is trying to be established is a code of honor or ethics
or whatever you want to call it.  Painting everything that you see is a
legitimate tactic, and is very effective _BUT_ it is also the kind of
play that leads most easily to arguments and people not having a good time.

The whole purpose of the game is to have fun.  however you have fun is cool.
By asking for a surrender etc, you allow the newbies and unfortunates to get
taught a lesson they can remember rather than have them walking off the field
muttering about "that asshole that shot me from 5 feet".

I often find that the less intense games are the more enjoyable.
Not everyone feels this way and that is cool, but I will still try to
make the day enjoyable for everyone and not just me.


Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
coming soon:  <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse!
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:47:33 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <h9_nns@lynx.unm.edu> jfol@carina.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground)) writes:
>   I am not sure if you are refeering to a CA tank or refill bottle
>for a CA tank. The CA tank we put on a gun is not refillable by
>most gas supply places because it requires a special

Not a fill station just a pin valve fill adapter.  For CO2 tanks I have
seen two types of valves.  Pin Valve, self sealing valve, which we see 
common on nearly all the CA tanks and the heavier Thermo Valve which uses
a hand wheel for turning the valve on and off.  You need s special adapter to
depress the pin valve down during the fill.  Most gas supply places should have
no problem attaching to a Thermo Valve.


>fill station. The refill bottle should be a siphon tank, which
>I have not been able to find for rent, and thus had to purchase.

Gas Supply houses and centers which service and repair fire extinguishers should
be able to install a siphon tube if your tank doesn't come with one.


-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Stuff
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:54:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Eric,
You got that right.  Remember when a box of 200 paintballs lasted 8 people
all day? Oh, the good ol' days...

John

-- 
John Martin Chapman
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt9989a
Internet: gt9989a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:12:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <36767@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) writes:
>Question 1:
>
>What is the major diffrence between using CO2 and N2, can you just fill
>your bottle with N2 instead.  I don't have a copy of CRC around but there
>have to be major pressure/temp diffrences between the two.

   They had a long article in the last APG about this topic. Apparently
the author felt that N2 and Compressed air, while even at higher
PSI, was safer than CO2. I have heard that it is possible to get
a special N2 tank for the 68 Automag, which conflicts with the fact
that the CA tank I recently recieved said it could handle
N2 and compressed air. Basically, still alot of confusion out there.

>Question 2:
>
>How many of you have your own CO2 tank, by the looks of the tank at the
>place I play it is the same as a Fountain Drink CO2 tank.  Can I go and
>rent/buy a tank from some place.  What are the costs ?

   I am not sure if you are refeering to a CA tank or refill bottle
for a CA tank. The CA tank we put on a gun is not refillable by
most gas supply places because it requires a special
fill station. The refill bottle should be a siphon tank, which
I have not been able to find for rent, and thus had to purchase.
If you clarify, I can try to be of more assitance.

>Question 3:
>
>Anybody going to the 24 hour game in Ocala Florida this October ?

   Afraid not, hard to find a good reason to leave NM even for a 24
hour game.

Joshua "Paintball Underground" Follick (no shields on the end)
>


-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: Internet Code of Honor
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:01:10 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


   It seems to me that we have a built in code of honor.
In our Faq, we have a nice list of safety precautions.
Whoever does so, please post the Faq again soon.
Everyone carefully review the safety section. It seems to
me that the Internet Code of Honor should be to abide
by those safety measures.

   Dave, I suggest as keeper of the patches, you get a 
letter promising in good faith from everyone before
you send them a patch that they will be a safe player
and abide by a strict standard of safety, fair play,
honesty, and to be a model paintballer.

  This may all sound silly and a bit old fashioned,
we are a bit of both down here in N.M., but I find
the best games I play are based on these pricipals.

-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: new topic- no pins?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:42:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Well, if it's 7 on one, no amount of cover will help.  Here's how I avoid       getting pinned.  When you move to a tree or bush or whatever, fire at any    
opponents that are anywhere near, or even just shoot in their general
direction.  Just about, anybody - espescially newer players, will duck 
dive, or run .  The key here is that if they're ducking, they aren't
shooting.  The more paint the better. I know this gets expensive, but it
works.

John

-- 
John Martin Chapman
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt9989a
Internet: gt9989a@prism.gatech.edu
From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Pro-am comments
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:20:02 GMT
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: singletrack.ebay.sun.com

any comments on the new Tippman Pro-am?

I just got one and am very happy with it, rate of fire, accuracy,
durability, dependability (3 breaks in 1000rds.)[bullseye paint].

my nits though are an inconsistency of velocity after rapid-fire.
at one point I could not get the thing to chrono past 240!!!

I am going to send in my 7oz. with check for $12 to get the
12oz bottle that are now OEM for the Pro-am.  Tippman says that
should help the consistency.  I want to avoid going siphon but if
that is more even tempered then that is the way I will go.

Danimal
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:38:10 GMT

billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter) writes:
> 
>   Can we dispense with the current round of net.invective on this
>   subject?  I see name calling and oneupmanship foul up other
>   newsgroups and I'd like to be able to continue reading this one.

Well since some of us consider this VERY important why don't you just
hit 'n' or kill the topic.

Rob.
--
Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com
From: porterg@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:59:22 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia


Re:

> It's only a welt.

I still have a half-dollar size discoloration on my temple, a crescent moon
shaped scab on my back, and numerous small abcesses on my left arm from
embedded gelatin and paint fragments.  From the Skirmish monster game several
weeks ago.

Speak for yourself.

Greg Porter
The Human Target

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From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Organization: Headland Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:44:56 GMT

in an article henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>Most commercial fields do not welcome personal fill stations.

   The major reason for this is a safety issue.  Proper filling proceedures
MUST be followed.  Most fields I know of don't want the liability imposed.
They also have trained people fill the tanks. (Note that I said the fields
that I know of:).  CO2 filling is easy and safe if you have been trained.
doing it unsafely is only slightly easier and is not worth the risk.  If
you want to fill your own tanks talk to a good airsmith or the people
who provide the bulk tank and or filling manifold.  USE a GOOD ACCURATE
SCALE.  Accept no subsitute. 
   A quick note about N2.  To be usefull as a paintball propellent it would
be necessary to place the N2 under MUCH more pressure then CO2 is stored.
Thus using a CO2 bottle to store N2 would not be practical at the pressures
the tank was designed to handle.  It is probably illegal besides to fill
a CO2 tank with N2.  (D.O.T.(Dept of Transportation) Regulations are long
and detailed on safe handling if hi pressure storage of gasses/liquids.
They also have an extensive historical knoledge base to back up their
regulations).

      Safety first
      Fun Always
       -Rich-

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