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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Muzzle Training?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:10:52 GMT

In article <21020152@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer) writes:
>In rec.pets.dogs, kika.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>
>> After losing 3 remote controls, 1 CD, 1.5 photo albums, 6 text
>> books, several plants, atleast a dozen magazines, and a variety
>> of other objects around the house, I decided to muzzle our
>> 7 month old black lab while we are away for *any* period of
>> time.   My question is... can dogs *learn* from having a muzzle?
>> I'm hoping that after a few months of learning that he cannot
>> chew while left alone, that eventually we can remove the 
>> muzzle and he'd act as though he still had one on..  Is this
>> not realistic?

I do not think it is necessary.  See my additional remarks below.

>	For really bad cases of the eats, you can take the last
>thing they ate, place it in their mouth, and tape it in with duct
>tape.  A couple wraps should do it.  They will spend all their time
>removing the tape until its gone, and will never eat that again.  After
>a couple-three episodes, they won't eat anything.  We have three cattle
>dogs, one of them liked shoes in a previous life and was "curred" this
>way.
>					-Shaw
>

This seems a bit severe to me, and completely unecessary.  I do *not*
recomend you do this.

I think all you need to do is four basic things:
	
        1. Keep inappropriate objects out of the dogs reach.  This seems
           simple, but it is *very* important.
        2. Make sure the pup has access to lots of appropriate objects
           (Nylabones, Nylafloss, other toys).
        3. Crate your pup when you are not there or when you cannot
           watch him _every minute_.  This will not only help you
           housebreak him, but it will keep him from destroying your
           property.
        4. When he does get a hold of an illegal object, remove the
           object (using a command like "Give!"), replace it with
           an appropriate object (like a Nylabone), and praise.

The FAQ has details about crating and suggested chew toys.  E-mail me if
you can't get it.

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From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Question for "guard" type dog owners
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:00:59 GMT


Something just occurred to me now that I have a new Doberman puppy, and I 
was wondering what you all do.    When you go out of town, are you able to 
have house-sitters or neighbors come to your house to feed your dog(s)?
If so, do you have to go through certain introduction measures?  Have you 
ever had cases where you've had a call from a house-sitter who all of a 
sudden couldn't get in the house?

I used to have a Golden, and this was never a problem.  I'm wondering if I 
should get the puppy used to staying in kennels (which I'm not crazy about) 
now if this is an obvious problem for most "guard" type dogs.  (p.s. I'm 
planning on socializing the dog well and taking him to obedience classes -- 
his main deal will to be my friend and companion, not an attack dog)

Thanx!
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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Garlic
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:35:13 GMT

Marget Johnson writes:
> Garlic, whether ingested, applied, sniffed or prayed to, will have ABSOLUTELY
> NO effect on fleas residing on your dog or you. (Canine mythology and false
> advertising claims notwithstanding)...... This not only my humble opinion,
> but substantiated by veterinary research findings.

In article <jerry.078p@marin.uucp> jerry@marin.uucp (Jerry C. Hudgins) writes:
> The reason this 'myth' persists is that, for some folks, it seems to work.
> It does work on my two German Shepherds.  I was skeptical before I tried it,
> and I can't explain why it works, but it does;  I'm not arrogant enough to
> ignore what I see because I cannot explain it.  Your mileage may vary.

Ditto.  That's exactly what my trainer said, and that's what has
happened with Kelsey.  The only flea that I've found on her has been the
one that I saw jump from the grass onto her nose.  The poor thing didn't
know what was going on when I grabbed her face and started picking at
her to catch the flea! :-)

Robbin
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From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Mailmen and Dogs
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:19:40 GMT

Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Our dog has always barked very aggresively at the mailman (UPS man).
>Our regular mailman knows him and knows he is harmless.  We have a
>6' fence all around our property, no way our dog can get out.  Our
>mailbox is on the OUTSIDE of the fence.

>This morning I happened to be standing in the window when the mailman
>came by.  It was not our regular carrier. Anyway, Beast barked at him
>while he put the mail in our box.  The mailman then went inside the
>neighbor's fence to deliver their mail, and Beast went over to that
>side of the yard,  barking.  At this point the mailman was out of my
>view, and suddenly, Beast yelped, jumped back, and ran up the steps to
>me.  His left eye was completely closed, and he was pawing at his head
>trying to get something off. I assumed he was sprayed by the mailman
>with some dog repellant.  I immediately rinsed his eye and head off,

>he was salivating, and his heart was beating fast.  By the time I
>calmed him down, the mailman was no where in site.

>What is in those dog repellants the mailmen carry?  Should I/can I
>do anything about this?

>Any experiences/suggestions welcome. Thanks.

It sounds as though the mailman probably maced your dog (sprayed
him in the face with chemical mace, which is similar to tear
gas).  When I wa a kid, the substitute mailman tried to mace our
harmless mutt and the wind blew the mist into the mailman's face.

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Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
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From: ljy@cbnews.cb.att.com (linda.j.young)
Subject: New Puppy Wanted!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:03:00 GMT

Hi!

I'm ready to get a new puppy (hopefully a puppy).  I had to put my golden
down last year and am finally emotionally ready! :-)

I am looking for local--for me--breeders of either goldens or newfies.
I have also considered the rescue societies and have contacted the ones
for those breeds in my area.  I have also visited the local pound, seeing
if they maybe had a dog I would be interested in, but so far, no luck.

So, do any of you know of any breeders?  Thanks for any info you can give.
Hopefully I can have a pup by the end of the year!

Linda

p.s. Local for me is New England area.
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Show points and the mass of confusion
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

KB>>
KB>>    - To up the number of entries so as to help increase the number of
KB>>      points available to be won.
KB>>
KB>>    - You *really* dislike someone and want to make it harder for their
KB>>      dog to win points.  Don't laugh - it has probably happened.  Kind
KB>>      of like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but some people...

KB>Aaaawwwww, now c'mon.  The good sports in the world of dog
KB>shows would *never* consider doing anything as nasty, spiteful,
KB>sneaky and underhanded as this.........................would they ?

Don't laugh, I have seen first hand how this can happen. In some breeds
the people can get pretty nasty. I have seen them pick up thier arm
bands and as thier class is anounced turn in the arm band, and stand
ringside with the dog, breaking the major.
When my Boston was being shown by a handler(she finished in 4 months)
She would have finished sooner except for one lady, Every time she saw
Rod ring side with Sable she would turn in her arm band. Her reasoning
behind this was that her bitch could not beat mine so why even walk in
the ring. The problem with this is that it always caused the pts to
drop, which made it take longer for Sab to finish. Had she just showed
her dog, Sab would have finished at been out of the way alot faster. The
woman was stupid!

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:10:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug27.211025.11894
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <17atdeINNmjc@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>Tazi will eat almost anything, so far..she loves raw baby carrots,
>slices of zucchini, you name it.
>
>I was talking to a fellow dog owner yesterday, however, and she
>related to me that her vet chastized her one day, upon discovering
>that both she and her dog had had cantalope with breakfast.  Her vet's
>philosophy is that dog food is all a dog should have, ever.
>
>This led me to wonder about my own practices.  I never give Tazi any
>'treat' unless she has already eaten her own meal..but I figured
>eating pieces of fresh veggies could only be good for her, or at least
>certainly not bad  [I've avoided high acid veggies, like tomatos].
>
>Any thoughts/input on this?
>
>
In the classified section of the August edition of Dog Fancy, I saw an
ad where you could order a list of foods, plants, etc. that are toxic
to dogs.  It was $4.  We ordered it.  It was much more extensive than
the list we got from our vet.  When we told him that, he
wanted to see it.  He was pretty impressed and told us he was going to
make arrangements to get multiple copies and give them to all his
regular customers and those that come in with new puppies.  I hesitate
to post the list because it is copyrighted and, as a writer, I feel
strongly about this.  I will try to remember to post the ordering
information, however.

schalene
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hot dog
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:43:14 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <5327@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> krieger@egnext3.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karen Krieger) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.102447.1@opal.tufts.edu> gbelli@opal.tufts.edu  
>writes:
>>  in the heatall day.  It gets about 80 degrees inside.  What can I do to
>>  make him more comfortable ?  Obviously, I've left him extra water (with 
>> ice--don't laugh!), but what else can I do?  Also, what are signs of 
>
>I'm not laughing - I leave my dog ice water on hot days as well. She can  
>stay outside or go in the garage, which is where I find her on hot days -  
>on cold concrete! If yours is an inside dog, I would suggest you pick up  
>the bathroom rugs so your beagle can lay on the tile floor (if possible).  
>I also give my dog gator-aid when we go to picnics and hot places. See if  
>your dog likes that during the day when you're gone.  

One thing that can help dogs cool off (if they are outside) is a childrens
wading pool.  You just put the pool in the shade somewhere and put some
water in it, and maybe toss a couple of toys in it.  Most dogs (particularly
those that love water) quickly learn that the pool is a fun way to cool off.

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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:33:04 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Show points and the mass of confusion
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug25.171646.5730@ctr.columbia.edu> mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>
>Hi Everybody - 
>
>I just wanted to add to the general confusion on a couple of points:
>
>   1) Champions of Record *CAN* be entered and shown in the regular
>      classes. I've never understood the reasoning behind this or why
>      anyone would want to do it, but there is NO AKC rule against it
>      and I have been at shows where it has occured.

I can think of two:

   - To up the number of entries so as to help increase the number of
     points available to be won.

   - You *really* dislike someone and want to make it harder for their
     dog to win points.  Don't laugh - it has probably happened.  Kind
     of like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but some people...

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From: dhoward@doffice.Corp.Sun.COM (Dave Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Boarding Dog in SF area
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:47:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dhoward@doffice.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: doffice.corp.sun.com


any suggestions on where to board a Border Collie in
the S.F. bayarea (near Palo Alto).  I need a place for
5 days that will supply running space and fresh air
for a very actice 10 month old.

Thanks,

-Dave





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From: prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Hot dog
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:22:15 GMT


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From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:20:24 GMT

In article <2AA22F83.4481@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
writes:
>In <1992Aug28.182524.5775@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>>In article <2A9BBA3C.4012@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>How about health certificates as well?  EG, labs would also have the
>>>OFA and CERF or Wind-Morgan numbers.
>>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>What is a Wind-Morgan #?
>
>I don't have a phone number, but can probably find it and post it
>later if people are interested.

Thanx for the info; please post the # if you get a chance


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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Invisible Urine Spots Revealed!
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:09:27 GMT

In article <13760018@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> donrm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery) writes:
>
>My question to the net - without spending a fortune replacing the car-
>pet, how do I get rid of the old urine spots?  I hear that there's some
>kind of enzyme-based cleaner available, but how expensive is it to do
>a carpet of some 1000 square feet? ...and does it work on old spots?
>There are so many places that I may as well do the entire carpet en masse.
>
>Ideas, anyone?

	About a year ago, we moved into a house with urine-spotted carpet. The
people who lived in the house before us had a cat, a dog which looked somewhat
like a Yorkshire terrier, and two teenage boys. One or more of the above was
apparently not house trained! The odor was fairly unpleasant when the house was
closed during the day.
	I've been told by many people that once an "accident" seeps into the
carpet pad, there is not much you can do other than buying a new carpet. In
extreme cases, you might need to seal the floor underneath with polyurethane.
	However, I purchased a gallon of an enzyme cleaner (I'm guessing it
was about $20-25 dollars) and treated the entire carpet. As instructed on the
container, I used a vinegar-water mixture as a second treatment. This
combination probably eliminated about 50% of the odor. This enzyme cleaner, by
the way, is HIGHLY effective with fresh "accidents", but is only partially
effective on old ones.
	Prior to applying the enzyme, I tried carpet cleaning and carpet
deodorizers. These were ineffective.
	After saving our $$$$$$$s for a few months, we had new carpet put in.
	Good luck!

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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:24:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.192745.17303@unislc.uucp>
    abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) writes:
 
>Well, OK, I grant that changing the AKC is hard but not impossible.  But
>it STILL has to come from the breed club level:  AKC delegates are
>first and foremost members of breed clubs.  So, the breed clubs have
>to take a more activist position.  All breed clubs would have to petition
>the AKC with SPECIFIC tests or titles they wanted on dogs; the delegates
>would have to present it to the membership; there would have to be a
>lot of lobbying; there would have to be cards, letters, etc.
 
Hmm...maybe I misunderstood what you said the first time.  I believe
(and I think this is what you are saying) that to change the AKC,
we have to first change the individual breed clubs.  After all, I
think the AKC would be much more likely to listen if the LRC (for
example) would be pushing the AKC to institute the rule changes than
they would if I (an individual) sent them a letter.  Changing the
breed clubs isn't the goal, it's the tool.
 
Proposed steps to accomplish the goal:
1)  Work on 1 National breed club to try to get them, as an orgainizatio
    to petition the AKC for this type of rule change.  Since our (we,
    the folks that said that this is a decent idea) resources are
    limited, I think it would be more effective to go the "divide &
    conquer" route than trying to work on severl breeds at the same time
    Send them letters; call the people at the breed club; etc.
 
2)  Advertise.  Try to get letters published (for free if we can) in
    the magazines and periodicals that are most frequently read by
    the fanciers of that breed.  Spread the word among the people that
    you see at your events (field trials, hunting tests, dog shows, etc)
    If we don't develop the critical mass needed to push this through,
    it will die very quickly.
 
3)  Get the AKC to start thinking about it.  Send them letters.  Call
    the AKC reps you know.
 
4)  ?  (someone else jump in here with a few)
 
 
(gee, now I feel like John Belushi in the movie "Animal House"
 where he's trying to inspire his fraternity brothers towards the
 end of the movie!   (-;   )
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(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
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From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Put Your Thinking Caps On!
Date: 2 SEP 92 15:16:36 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) wrote:
>I'm helping my breed club put together a list of questions that people
>should ask themselves before getting a dog.  I've come up with a few
>but got such great assistance in my "what questions to ask a breeder"
>question that I thought I'd try again.
>Do you get the dog for someone as a present?
>etc.
>schalene

	Well aside from some of the more apparent questions such as
size, sex, length of coat etc. it might be a good idea to put something
in about "alpha puppies".  I am convinced that we got the alpha puppy;
when we chose our dog they were only 4 weeks old- not too active.  We
picked out the most active strongest ("healthiest", we thot at the time).
When we went to pick him up at 7 weeks he was by far the fattest, biggest,
most rambunctious of them all. I would not trade him for the world 
but if I known such an alpha existed I could have kept an eye 
out-so to speak.  I believe some people would prefer and alpha puppy and
others simply would not. Whaddyathink?
Beverly
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From: ltaylor@blinky.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog hates cats
Date: 26 Aug 1992 12:53:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ltaylor@blinky.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: blinky.east.sun.com

I have a dog with a similar problem. He hates cats. I got him
from some people who rescued him from a pound, and they told
me that he loved cats. Not that I cared seeing as I don't even
have any cats. But I soon learned that what they meant was that
he loves to terrorize cats. He even came home once with two
cat claws embedded in his nose. Okay, he's not too bright.

However, recently, when I had to take him to the vet, there was
a nice big fat fluffy gray cat sitting on the counter. Obviously
this cat was not afraid of stupid dogs. My dog was very excited
at first, he went up and sniffed the cats paws that were hanging
over the counter...the cat just sat there, like "oh brother, not
another one of those huge stupid hairballs." Since the cat had
absolutely no fear about my dog whatsoever, my dog lost interest
fast.

So if you can find a cat that isn't afraid of dogs, you may be
able to train your dog not to care about cats.

/laura
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep4.203209.6126
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Tomorrow I'm going with a friend of mine to be there for her when she
has her 14 year old dog put to sleep.  It got me thinking about saying
goodbye to our canine friends.  When our Cocker died last November, I
remember looking all over the house for pictures of him.  I only found
a dozen or so.  Pretty paltry for 11 years of the best companionship I
ever had (well, there is my husband...)

For all of you out there with healthy, vibrant pets......please take
plenty of pictures.  They'll get you through some tough times down the
road.  They bring back memories and funny things you can remember
instead of when you had to say goodbye.

Luckily my friend knew tomorrow was coming for some time and was sure
to take plenty of pictures......in fact, she's the one who told me to
take lots of pictures of our new dog.  

schalene
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