From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: Another question....
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:40:12 GMT

In <1992Nov20.001158.21316@news.mentorg.com> scraig@elipse.mentorg.com (Stuart Craig) writes:
>In article <rjg.722199525@crusher>, rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
> writes:
>>The marker is not supposed to remain stationary. The marker is allowed to
>>move around to cover the offense as the offense pivots. Movement by the marker
>>should maintain the required distance. I find this is best done by limiting
>>my movements to a plane. Even then there are times when a good fake and
>>quick return pivot mean I cannot move back to where I started as the thrower
>>as pivoted into place.

>This all sounds good so far.

>>By taking up a marking position and extending my arms I claim the space 
>>above and below my arms as mine. If contact occurs in this area the
>>thrower is at fault.

>Say what?  Where did you come up with this "claim the space" idea?
>I've never seen anything in the rules that even remotely suggests that
>this is true for the marker.

When I hand block I move my hand up or down, or even hold it still,
and the disc bounces off my hand. I don't try and bat the disc out of
the throwers hand!! I try to place my hand infront of where the
throw will be made.

>>Why:
>>	If the thrower moves any part of their body through the space
>>	established by the marker (even on a follow through) it is
>>	hazardous play and the marker can call a foul. The marker should
>>	be able to move into the established space without a collision.
>>	The thrower has their own space and a disc width.

>How is this hazardous play?  In most cases the "collision" caused by
>an attempted throw through this area will be much softer than a
>successful handblock would be.  Again I must point out that I don't
>see any basis for your claim on this space.  As long as the thrower
>isn't leaning against you or pushing your torso out of the way he has
>just as much right to this space as you do.  Especially if he gets
>there first!  If he pivots around and reaches under your arm to throw
>and you then hack him on the arm this is most definitely a foul on
>you.

The space beyond the ends of the markers hands is fair game. If you can pivot 
fast and get around that is fine. 

>>	By establishing a legal marking position the marker is claiming
>>	some of the space around the thrower. Once established the
>>	marker is entitled to this space and should be able to       
>>        move their arms up and down and their body laterally 
>>        without expecting a collision.
>>
>>The marker should not be required to dodge the follow through arm of the
>>thrower. The thrower is required, by the hazardous play rule, not to move
>>into space occupied by the marker.

>Why would the marker be required to dodge the follow through?  Contact
>after the disc is released is not a foul as far as I know.

Hazardous play is always a foul. If the thrower is making a trow such that
the follow through is going to hit the marker that is a hazard.

>Ultimate.  The ability to "break the mark" by throwing under or over
>the markers arm is important in competitive play.  If the marker is
>concerned about preventing such a throw then he or she should probably
>be standing three or more feet back from the thrower so that it's not
>possible to reach under the arm.

You can throw through that space but to try to move you body through
is the same as pushing with the torso. 
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