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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:47:21 GMT


Come on, people, leave those poor 'canes fans alone.  Yeah, they were
overconfident, and yes, they talked trash, and ok, they didn't give
Alabama any respect.  And yes, they deserve to eat huge mounds of
crow, and sure, Gino didn't deserve the Heisman.  But are those good
reasons to pick on them now?




-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?

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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:46:15 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <CNg=8lA@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu writes:

> In article <C0pDFx.A6F@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
> >What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
> >Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
> >Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
> >supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
> >news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
> >some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
> >says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
> >weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
> >San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
> >DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.
> >
> >Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!
> >
> 
> Shoot the messenger??

  Actually, more like shoot the folks making this stuff up.  The first "big"
story the DMN had about A&M was apparently wrong on most of its allegations.
Or at least the university says so, and even the DMN has backed off its earlier
claims of year-round payments.

  TAMU president William Mobely *did* suspend the four players, which I believe
is some sort of NCAA rule (guilty until innocent, hey?), and said he felt no
wrongdoing had been committed, though there was some concern on the amounts 
paid.  Since then, I haven't heard anything.

  I think, given the boner pulled by the DMN the first time, the other papers
are a bit gun-shy of getting caught looking stupid.  Not that Bedell cares.
I'm beginning to suspect that careful research, truth, etc. are getting in the
way of his need to make a splash.

* Doug Bedell is the writer who keeps trying to come up with dirt on the SWC.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:39:00 GMT
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Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

RD>  Still, the first reason to stay (and IMO the only really
RD>  good reason) is the same as (what ought to be) the reason 
RD>  for being there in the first place.  Education.


With his salary, Bledsoe will be able to afford summer classes.

Of course that may not be the case with some of the borderline
players that declare themselves eligible each year.

Strange but true fact: Adam Oates led RPI to the 1985 NCAA hockey
championship and then signed a pro contract. In it there was a clause
that his pay would be docked if he didn't complete his degree within
a specified time period. (He received his diploma a few years later,
and is currently one of the highest scorers in the NHL)

                         Al 
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Worst Announcer
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:59:05 GMT

In article <IfH33EG00iV2I0z81Y@andrew.cmu.edu> "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

Keith Jackson takes the cake despite what Susan and others have said.
He and ABC are so strongly biased against the Big 8 in general and Nebraska
in particular that it smells.

Watch any game involving a Big 8 team and one from another conference
or an independent school.  Nothing good is ever said about the Big 8
team. 

Look at this year's Nebraska-Oklahoma game.  One interview with a Husker
and/or former Husker; 8 or nine for the Sooners.

Dave

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Final CNN Coaches' Poll
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:00:07 GMT

The final Top 25, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through
93/01/02, and total points (based on 25 for a first-place vote through
one for 25th).
         
        Rank  School              Record   Points
        ------------------------------------------
          1   Alabama (60)        13-0-0    1,500
          2   Florida State       11-1-0    1,422
          3   Miami               11-1-0    1,356
          4   Notre Dame          10-1-1    1,327
          5   Michigan             9-0-3    1,231
          6   Texas A&M           12-1-0    1,149
          7   Syracuse            10-2-0    1,135
          8   Georgia             10-2-0    1,134
          9   Stanford            10-3-0      982
         10   Washington           9-3-0      846
         11   Florida              9-4-0      845
         12   Tennessee            9-3-0      818
         13   Colorado             9-2-1      806
         14   Nebraska             9-3-0      749
         15   N. Carolina State    9-3-1      572
         16   Mississippi          9-3-0      538
         17   Washington State     9-3-0      495
         18   North Carolina       9-3-0      450
         19   Ohio State           8-3-1      426
         20   Hawaii              11-2-0      424
         21   Boston College       8-3-1      303
         22   Fresno State         9-4-0      243
         23   Kansas               8-4-0      201
         24   Penn State           7-5-0      138
         25   Wake Forest          8-4-0      128

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:27:31 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1993Jan6.185743.13834@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>
>As we can see, all three major colleges in Florida finished in the top 10. 
>No other state has more than one (1) school in the top 10.  Kind of gives
>a good indication of the strength of football in Florida doesn't it?

Not necessarily.  Florida could import most of its players (I know they
don't, but I'm being hypothetical here).  For instance, look at the
Washington schools:  they have more players from California than
Washington, it seems.  In North Carolina's case, I'd guess that they have
quite a few imported players.  All your arguement proves is that the
Florida colleges are good in football.
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Roger's Top 25--No dispute here
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Jan 1993 13:00 EST  

The *Dendy system is robust enough, at least, to agree when the National 
Champion is obvious and indisputable.  Here are the final top 25 for 1992 
according to my computer.  The complete list for Div I-A will follow by a 
separate post.

Team			Record			Weight
----			------			------
1 Alabama		13-0			2.4
2 Florida State		11-1			2.3
3 Notre Dame		10-1-1			2.2
4 Washington		9-3			2.1
5 Miami Fl		11-1			2.1
6 Stanford		10-3			2.0
7 Michigan		9-0-3			2.0
8 Texas A&M		12-1			1.9
9 Syracuse		10-2			1.9
10 Georgia		10-2			1.8
11 Tennessee		9-3			1.8
12 Ohio State		8-3-1			1.8
13 Nebraska		9-3			1.7
14 Washington St	9-3			1.7
15 Colorado		9-2-1			1.7
16 Florida		9-4			1.7
17 N. C. State		9-3-1			1.6
18 Hawaii		11-2			1.6
19 Bowling Green	10-2			1.5
20 North Carolina	9-3			1.5
21 Arizona		6-5-1			1.5
22 Southern Cal		6-5-1			1.4
23 Mississippi		9-3			1.4
24 Boston College	8-3-1			1.4
25 Fresno State		9-4			1.4

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From: mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mujtaba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: RECRUITING: Texas/Texas A&M
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:21:59 GMT
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Next season's kickoff games (was: More Bowl comments)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:36:46 GMT

In article <aggie-040193180413@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.172127.11958@walter.bellcore.com>,
|> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) wrote:
|>
|> > MATCHUP I'D MOST LIKE TO SEE RIGHT NOW:  Florida State vs. Alabama
|> 
|> Well, that ain't happening anytime soon, but when do the invites
|> go out for the Pigskin and Kickoff classics? Who might be the leading
|> candidates for these games?

I don't think this will be known for a while.  Someone has already 
commented that FSU might not be able to play since they played in the
Pigskin Classic two years ago (beat BYU 44-28).

|> > Hope you all enjoyed 'em like I did.  Nothing like clicking between
|> > four simultaneous games on NYD and being able to catch every play...
|> 
|> Did your finger(s) or clicker wear out???

Nope.  Luckily, I got plenty of practice doing the Copper and Freedom
Bowls a couple nights before, so I was in game condition.  Needless
to say, my wife resented having to remember all those uniform colors
just to realize just which game we were clicking to.  

Actually, I think the only time she was really glad I had the clicker
was when Lee Corso would start talking during ESPN's pregame.  Don James'
bleeped comments to that ESPN guy kind of took her off guard too.  

|> James

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From: kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt)
Subject: Suggestion to the NCAA
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:26:15 GMT

     I was very saddened to hear the nes that Jerome Bettis and Tom Carter(?!)
are going to the pros. However, I can't see that there is any good way to keep 
people from jumpingto the pros. It would probably be in violation of the 
anti-trust laws, anyhow. Besides, if someone offered me all that money, id 
leave too.

     My Suggestion:

     Let players who do not get drafted keep their eligibility.

     Reasons: with the present system, many people who leave school and dont 
get drafted never get their educations. There isn't any problem for the few 
that do get big money. Under the present system, we have the worst of both 
worlds: People leaving school early, and others losing their educational 
oppurtunity.
     If we change the eligibility law, we would only have the worst of one 
world :)

Any other suggestions?

Karl Schudt
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best pro prospect.
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:28:11 GMT
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>>Marvin Jones: Maybe a Patriot next year. No idea who will be Seattle fist
>>pick next year. He will have to be an offensive player. Hearst maybe.
>
>>I see Torretta going to a Minnesota or a Denver. Elway I'm sure will ge
>>hurt again.
>
>>Who are some other good prospects?
>
>Chuckie Dukes, Boston College
>Glen Foley, has another year but will be a good pick for someone.
Count on washington's Lincoln Kennedy being picked up in the first round.
This may be the first year that the heisman winner doesn't get picked first
round.  After that lame attempt at being a quality QB for the MNC it would
be incredible if any pro teams want him. (not that I heard any of the pro
teams ever considered him)
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:45:10 GMT

In article <79113@hydra.gatech.EDU>
mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) wrote:
> }
> } That concludes todays meeting of BA.  Refreshments consisting of iced
> } tea, craw-dads, and sugar-Cane stew are available at the back of the
> } room.  Ya'll come back, now! :-)
>
> Would that be sweetened or unsweetened iced tea?

Whatsa matter, boy!  Any GaTech student should know any decent _Southern_
restaurant has both sweetened _AND_ unsweetened iced tea, fresh brewed
and on tap.  Seein' as how its not polite to spend 5 minutes trying to
dissolve sugar crystals in a cold liquid, they save ya' the trouble by
addin' sugar while its still hot.

Of course I was describing a meeting of BA (Blowhards Anonymous), which
by definition, would be held in Miami.  Now we all know that Miami is
not a _Southern_ city, despite being well below the good ol' Mason-
Dixon line.  Miami is really the sixth borough of New York; therefore,
if you ordered iced tea in a restaurant you would get instant iced tea
with the sugar and lemon already added.  A Yankee tradition, I guess.

Insert as necessary: :-) :-) :-) :-)

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl comments
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:19:36 GMT

In article <1i5hdsINNdie@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>
ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
> I was rooting for Miami in this game (mostly because one of my friends
> was going for Alabama). ...

Sounds like you have at least one smart friend! :-)

>1) To say that Torretta stunk would be an understatement.  He missed
>   wide open receivers.  He didn't move around well.  He threw
>   interceptions that were his fault.  Those interceptions were
>   the main difference in the game.

The ABC commentators placed most of the blame on the Miami receivers
being "whipped" (Jackson's term) by the Alabama secondary.  I tend
to agree.  The play where Teague ran down Lamar "fastest receiver in
the universe" Thomas would seem to underscore the difficulties the
Miami receivers experienced throughout the night.  It also helps if
your offensive line can keep Curry and Copeland from breathing down
your neck every play.

> 2) I don't know who was doing the play calling, but it was not good.
>    I thought the running game was abandoned much too early. ...

The Miami running game was not productive until late in the 4th when
the Bama D was relaxed.  At least an imcomplete pass doesn't lose
yardage. :-)

>    There should have been more quick short passes and running plays
>    that went outside.  ...

Again, the short passes weren't all that successful until late in the
4th quarter.  Surely you wouldn't suggest trying to run outside against
Curry, Copeland, London, et. al.

> 3) Alabama showed strength in all pats of the game, with the notable
>    exception of a passing game.  ...  Jay Barker did not impress me
>    as a QB at all.  ... Of course, I must admit that the was the
>    first time that I have seen Alabama play all year.  Barker might
>    be a good passer, but he didn't show it in this game ...

No, I would say your sample size of 1 game was representative of the
entire season.  Barker only played QB one year in high school, and he
played in an offense that mostly ran the ball.  Hopefully Stallings
will find a suitable replacement.  One of the new recruits appears to
have great QB potential.

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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Miami's Humiliation (or How not to Play Football)
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:14:32 GMT

>>Well, so long as top 5 teams like Florida State keep drawing Nebraska in 
>>bowl games instead of facing top-5 competition, I guess they will be 
>
>FSU was more or less forced to go to the OB against Nebraska as a result of
>the Cotton Bowl's descision to take ND. FSU wanted to play A&M, but we took

I said "drawing", not picking.  Everyone got screwed on this deal...

>what we got. But you have to admit, Nebraska _was_ dominated. If Bowden wasn't

certainly

>such a nice guy...calling off the dogs as he did (running game for all of the

He'd have been stupid to pass in that rain...but up 20-7, he didn't have to.
He was smart enough to control the ball and keep the pressure on Frazier.

>second half)...the score would have been much, much worse.

As I had originally expected it would be.

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From: wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:19:15 GMT

Well the point most of you are missing is that Florida
dominates both football and baseball for one reason and one
only.  I used to live in Clearwater and played baseball.  But
that's all I did.  I knew some kids who played football and
that's it.  What it comes down to is that athletes in Florida
are generally one-sport athletes.  Basketball is generally not
a big sport there, but football and baseball are.  In most
other states athletes in highschool are multi-sport athletes.
When I arrived here in Virginia I just played baseball, but it
was only a matter of time before I was running track, playing
football and tennis all in the same year.  I even tried out for
basketball.  I mean it makes sense to me that when one only
plays one sport, one excells in that sport, thus the dominance
of Florida schools in football and baseball is explained.

Bill
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From: lein@cat.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: More Bowl comments
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:20:19 GMT

In article <16B4D76F2.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.024528.24888@dbsun.uucp>
> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
> >
> >In article <1993Jan4.194733.13960@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
> >kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
> >> In article <1993Jan4.172127.11958@walter.bellcore.com>
> >> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
> >> > MOST UNDESERVED BOWL BID AWARD: Sorry Penn State, but 0-5 vs. bowl
> >> > teams and 2-5 vs. teams with a winning record shows just what happens
> >> > when a NYD bowl bid is extended too early.  I didn't win any of my
> >> > pools, but I was able to clean up in that game.  Hey Spiro, we miss
> >> > you already.
> >>
> >> Penn State had NO business being on the field.
> >
> >Speaking of undeserved accolades, can anyone explain why Penn State,
> >with a miserable 7-5 record, is still in the CNN Top 25?  Inquiring
> >minds want to know! ?8-)
>  
> It's the same reason that Washington moved up from #11 to #10 after

I think Washington lost 3 out of their last 4 games and still finished in
the top 10, Amazing, I doubt Notre Dame could have even done that. 

>  
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