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From: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Help! What should I do? (Very long)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article p00139@psilink.com (Raistlin Majere) writes:
[Gadzillions of irrelevant stuff deleted]
>
>	Don't think with your dick. Best advice I can give you.

Best advice on this net in a while. Heard it before, but it's good.

Also the same goes for women -- thinking too much with whatever is the
emotional/hormonal drive in their anatomy rather than their brains. We
all suffer from such an attack on our rationality one way or another. 
That's the trouble with being human I guess... Any aliens out there? ;-)

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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rebel without a clue.)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: "What are you thinking, dear?"?
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:33:16 GMT


	I know this was covered earlier, but I missed most of the thread as I
didn't think it would apply to me.  Fortuantely, things change, and I am in a 
situation now where I want to know as much about what was covered in this 
thread that I am talking about.  What is this thread?


	Why do you women ask us men what we are thinking?

	I have already decided what I am going to say the next time that she
asks me.  She has asked me this question five or six times today.  I *did* 
answer her everytime, with some of the actual thoughts I was thinking.

	I will tell her tomorrow after church.  I have no idea how I will tell
her.  I could call her up on the telephone right now, but then I think this 
sort of thing goes better face-to-face.

	I am committed now.  She will know tomorrow, if she doesn't know now
anyhow.

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From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: When guys lose their tempers
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:24:00 GMT
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
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In article <1992Oct12.073746.18473@nuscc.nus.sg>, isc30350@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOW SUET CHENG) writes...
> 
>I would like to get some views on this topic from the dear people here
>in net.land.

This is *hardly* romance, but if you seriously want to know ...

> 
>I have know of guys who when they lose their tempers, hit their
>girlfriends. After that they are remorseful about it, but they tell
>their girlfriends that it's because they (the girlfriend) make them so
>angry that they can't control themselves. Is this really true or is it
>just an excuse?

Both. It's often true that a person can push the buttons of another person 
to the point that they lose control. It is *not*, however, a justification 
for striking another. *Certainly* not justification for striking someone 
less able to defend themselves than the person initiating the violence.

Probably due to cultural pressure, it is *my* observation that women tend 
to attack with words (and, sometimes, just pure dbs (screams)) while men 
tend to attack with physical means. Again, women are no more justified in 
`going off' on a man verbally than a man is justified in going off on a 
woman physically, but the law protects them from physical abuse.

I fully support this law (when not abused itself), but I am waiting for the 
corallary law from the man's perspective. Currently, a man is expected to 
endure verbal abuse to *any* degree without responding physically. I firmly 
believe that nagging should be a capital offense. :-)

> 
>Then there are those also who when things go wrong, they'll blame them
>on the girlfriends and say that the girlfriends have distracted them
>from doing their best. Is this valid?

Human nature, kiddo... "*I* didn't fail, *you* made me fail." I've done it 
and almost *every* time I have, I have been wrong. While in certain 
instances a person can be distracted into errors, if the activity is more 
important than the relationship (except if the period of time is stipulated 
in advance, like "Don't bug me for the next hour, I'm writing lyrics.") 
then the relationship should be over. It's no big deal, though, if he 
admits his error and tries to correct it. Same with her.


-- Stephen

     Though *believing* in things often wounds the spirit, *not* believing 
     in anything will eventually kill it. Therefore, *dream* ... and accept 
     the costs as reasonable.
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Army Boots revisited, then I shut up
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:28:19 GMT
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ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz") writes:
> I do however have a question. Mr. Steiner says:
> > of others. and i -never- judge based on a silly thing like
> > gender.
> 
> Never? I find this hard to believe. Not because I doubt you are
> for equal rights. I don't. But our world is hardly egalitarian and
> there are lots of influences on our lives that keep us from being
> totally non-judgemental with respect to gender.

oops. never say never. yes, i do judge certain things based on
gender. like i probably wouldn't ask a guy out. however if it
comes down to make a value judgement i try very hard to look
at the qualities i'm judging instead of outward appearances. it's
not really that difficult, especially with a little practice.

jason

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From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Subject: Re:  Romantic Songs
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:38:26 GMT

> Not all women are wonderful.... If so many people are saying the same thing

Interesting thread this, and a really tough q? to answer. So my $0.02 follows

I'm a Student@Law, I plan to practise in Criminal Defence. To do that I have
to work with some pretty suspect characters about whom many many people
are saying the same thing. Bottom Line, maybe this woman is not as bad as
all are saying she is. Maybe, just maybe a chance is deserved.

The bit I can't tell you is how. In law, one just pleads not guilty and
goes for it. In love/life the stakes are arguably much higher, the 'game' 
is for real. 
D
Have you put it to her - this stuff about wanting to marry then go (sue) you
for child support, the other guy etc and heard her answer etc.

I know this sounds like a pretty different attitude to take guys, but, some
one, somewhere has to stick up for the bad guys, in case maybe, just maybe
they aren't _Really_ bad guys. One never knows. I'm the type that lies awake
@ nite worrying about what it must be like to but put away / suffer because 
a lot of people said you did something you didn't.

thanx

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From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: How do you know if you are in love?
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:05:58 GMT

In article <cVJ6RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> shc@bluemoon.rn.com (n shane chambers) writes:
>darkmoor@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Darkmoore) writes:
>
>> 
>>   How do you know if you are in love?
>> 
>>   I would really like some thoughts on this matter.
>> 
>
>Well as I personaly have only been `in true love` once, the bst thing I 
>can say, is you realy don`t know untill after the two of you are seperated 
>for a while.  An infatuation will die when the other is not around, but a 
>love will last.  Unfortunatly this is the worst thing that can be, when 
>you`ve broken up with that special person, and know, with out a dout, it 
>will  never work out.   {sigh}
>a

Not always.  I was with in a relationship with a woman for about 3 years
and we were in love.  The realtionship ended when because of 'who knows';
differnt directions mostly.  Eighteen years later (yes, I'm *that* old :-),
we still keep in communication and the love that is still between us is
quite something. Sure, when we broke up, it hurt a lot and needed a time
for healing and change, etc.  But the love was much bigger than that.
There are times where we get busy in our lives and neglect to contact
each other for a while.  It doesn't matter.  Until a few months ago, I
hadn't talked with her in nearly three years, i had changed jobs and 
residences in the mean time.  I called her and when she heard my voice,
she started crying and said "Oh, David, I thought I had  lost you for
good this time." Really got to me.  The kind of love we have now doesn't
matter who she's with or who I'm with ro any other circumstances.  When
I talk with her, it has a very timeless quality, like we're *together*
and we were just *there* a second ago and everything in between seems
almost superficial and a little unreal.  Wouldn't change it for the
world.
a

David

>

                shc
>
>
>This is from
>  shc@bluemoon.rn.com or ...nstar!bluemoon!shc
>Who doesn`t have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet...
>
>                                And doesn`t plan on getting one eather!
>
>
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>
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From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Subject: Re: Relationships and Sex
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:22:24 GMT

>There is so much more to life than sex.

Thank-you God. I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me - being the only 
one I know who thinks that way...

> Granted, it can be fun.  However, falling alseep with a member of the
opposite sex who you care about can be more powerful than screwing
around with him/her.  Life is emotion.

Yep, hear, hear. At the risk of sounding like a radical, I'm starting to think
this no sex b4 marriage thing has something to it.

I've tried relationships both ways. In general, the ones without sex finish
neater and friendlier than the ones with (but I think the ones w/out hurt
more when they do finis for whatever reason)

I've struck some hassles when a wish to 'fall asleep' was misinterpreted
for 'sleep with' too - bit of a bummer.

Trouble too, being a guy, is being born with a second brain (control centre
perhaps?) about eight inches below the navel is the bugger of a thing
has a nasty habit of taking over a the wrong times and stuffing things up.

Other opinions/experiences?
G

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Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Army Boots revisited, then I shut up
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:21:58 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

isar@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
> [munch]
> 
> Of course we advocate equality;  to achieve that equality in the 
> severely biased society we have today, however, we also advocate 
> affirmative  action, quota systems etc.  
> 
> [munchmunch]
> 
> This is why we think that if two candidates for the same 
> job/position/school are equally qualified, then the 
> woman/minority/disabled person, should definitely be the chosen 
> one.  Unfair?  Not if you consider the overall picture...

which is? "WAKE UP YOU MALE FASCIST PIGS! IT'S PAYBACK TIME!"

no thanks. i don't owe you anything. unless i can punish you
for the sins of your ancestors don't expect me to take too
kindly to being another white male whipping boy for the radical
feminist movement.

men and women should not be at war, for any reason. any suggestions
to the contrary will be met with a sad look and, if pressed,
the most disdain i can muster. some of us -do- care about equality,
and we don't feel we have to go overboard on one side to balance
out the past mistakes of the other.

jason

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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rebel without a clue.)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Women and Buses
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:49:54 GMT

In article <13090@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
> Women are like London Buses - you wait for an eternity, and then
> three come along at once!
> 
> Just my thought for the day ...
> 
> (Note, this is not intended as sexism: women, no doubt, feel the
> same about men!)
> -- 
> Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
> University of Southampton, United Kingdom.
> "Live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse -
> preferably someone else's."  E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs
-- 
	I can only IMAGINE the flames you will get from this.  Hope they don't 
email bomb you (getting so much email that your local system operator has to 
shut you off for awhile.)

	The important thing you neglected to mention about those London Busses
(I have never been, sorry) is the fact that at least you know WHAT bus you want
to take, there is no false advertising as to where the bus is going, where as
with women...

	I think the rest of you a smart enough to figure out the rest of this
simile.

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From: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: why the guy?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:41:46 GMT
Reply-To: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>Women have no trouble finding *someone* to go out with, but they have trouble
>finding the "right one".
>
>Men have no trouble finding the "right one", but they have trouble getting her
>to go out with them.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Murray Chapman
>muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au

Just 'a thought'???? Murray, you've hit on the solution to The Problem. This 
is the One Revealed Truth. This is The Answer. The One. Enlightenment. 42.

Thanks for clarifying the past 29 years of my life. Sheesh. Pity it's such 
bad news though, eh? :-)

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From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: An emerald as an engagement ring?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.044646.13005@netcom.com> marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:
>Me, I want a tanzanite :-).

Oh, my fiancee loves tanzanite.

There was a time when she really wanted a ring (not an engagement ring) and she
was so fascinated by the subtle colour of tanzanite.  Several weeks later, she
had a white gold tanzanite ring.

She really did not want to have a diamond ring.  Besides, it was the jewelry
industry's marketing which started the custom of giving a diamond ring as an
engagement ring.  It's not a very old custom.

She chose her engagement ring, a custom made white gold (18K) with a Ceylon
sapphire.  Its light blue colour matches her blue eyes.
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From: Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb)
Subject: Re: When guys lose their tempers
Organization: stfold Ingenirhyskole
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:32:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.073746.18473@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30350@nusunix1.nus.sg (
LOW SUET CHENG) writes:
>I have know of guys who when they lose their tempers, hit their
>girlfriends. After that they are remorseful about it, but they tell
>their girlfriends that it's because they (the girlfriend) make them so
>angry that they can't control themselves. Is this really true or is it
>just an excuse?

>Has anyone here ever encounter this kind of situation personally or seen
>friends who are in this kind of situation? Comments would be very much
>welcomed.

I have enountered it, albeit the other way round. A friend of mine has a 
girlfriend that easy loses her temper. When she does that, she have hit him 
in the face many times. She regrets it afterwards and tries to be nice to 
him. He never hits back, because he can't (just like me) hit a woman. It 
seems this problem is not restricted to guys...

Jens Kr. Kirkeb
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From: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:46:44 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Oct14.143246.5092@deeptht.armory.com>, rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>In article <QeoinK600WB9M2krkU@andrew.cmu.edu> ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz) writes:
>>Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance: 3-Oct-92 Re: Nice Guys? by Alan
>>Smith@lamar.ColoSta 
>>> I'm going to ressuect an old concept just for you: The Date.  On a Date, 
>>> two people go out, maybe take in a movie, eat some food, make googley 
>>> eyes at each pother and fight over politcs for an evening.  Then they go 
>>> home.  The next day, one of them calls the other one up and says "Hey, 
>>> that was fun, you wanna do it again?"  If the other one says "yes" enough 
>>> times, they are "going out," "SOs" "Going steady" etc.  If not, then they 
>>> each go their separate ways.
>------------
		[long explanation about how he handles relationships deleted]


>- Steve
>
>-- 

From all that steve said, I have to agree. It's the simple things that matter
most.

cheers

Omar
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From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Subject: Re: When guys lose their tempers
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:03:50 GMT

> guys who hit their girlfriends....

Don't deserve girlfriends.

There is, in my opinion NEVER NEVER EVER any excuse to hit one's girlfriend.

I could go on for ages about bullies, weak men, weak girls putting up with
it etc etc etc. I'm sure others will. I thing the above two lines say it all
though, no ifs or buts.

If your boyfriend hits you, no excuses, dump him. If he continues to hassle
you, go to the police. Have him warned or charged if necessary. It is a 
criminal offence in most places I guess (certainly here in NSW, Australia -
the NSW Crimes act Section 61 takes care of Common Assault with a max $2000
fine and/or 2 years jail - and that's just common assault, then there's
assault occasioning actual bodily harm, grevious b.h. sex assault, dozens

I think that, hard as it is when the person concerned is a SO, that to
press charges is necessary. The $2K and 2 years is a bit big. Usually a $500
fine will be more common for a first offence and a guilty plea.

The only way to stop these guys is to show them the can't get away with it.
If they hit you and you let them go they will find someone else and hit them
instead.

that's my $0.02 worth.

Geoffrey.

#Disclaimer: This posting is my opinion and not legal advice. Obtain proper
             legal advice before following the opinions I have given.
             (That's just so you don't sue me later!!!!!)

Geoff
.

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