HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mccallum@fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: RESULTS: World's Track F points race
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:39:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

I saw this in my paper last nite, and I think I can remember it 
all...

Womens Points race 
World Championships


1)  Ingrid Haringa   Netherlands   39 pts
2   *unknown*        Switzerland   29
3)  Janie Eikoff (damn, I can't spell her name) USA  29
4)  Petra Rossner    GER           22
5)  Jeannie Longo    FRA           22



Sorry about the #2 spot -- I hadn't heard of the woman before.

--Mike
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: ESPN broadcasts of MTB races
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:07:31 GMT

In the July (I think) Norba News I saw a list of dates and times
for broadcasts of the big mountain bike races of the season on ESPN.  
I have since lost that issue, but I wonder if someone 
could post the times and dates listed.  

Thanks,
Brian Case
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles
From: djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly)
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:52:30 GMT

This is a reminder that the women's TTT and men's pro road race are
this weekend.  Send me you're top ten picks in the RR and the top 5
nations in the women's TTT before the races and I'll report who comes
the "closest" to the actual results in each.

Dan

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From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


In article <1992Sep2.180615.2884@leland.Stanford.EDU>, djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly) writes:

>Lance also was the last finisher in this years San Sabastion Classic
>in Spain, over 20 minutes behind the winner Raul Alcala.  The race
>experienced torrential rains and many riders retired.

This is why I don't think Miguel will win.  It's going to be hot in Spain,
and a lot of riders go faster in good weather than In-du-rain.

>Dan

Apologies for that pun...I think I'll go and hide until Sunday...
STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"Eat what you catch or put it back.  And don't go wasting
   a lot of words when a simple 'yup' will do"  -mid-west fishing ethic
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 11T cog for hyperglide?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:57:55 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 21167@odin.corp.sgi.com, shiba@riffnique.csd.sgi.com (Rich Shiba) writes:
>
>	Does anyone know of a source for 11 tooth
>	cogs that will work with a Hyperglide cassette?
>	My local shop said there are companies out there
>	that make 11 tooth cogs that will spin onto a
>	Shimano cassette hub (smallest shimano makes is 12),
>	but he didn't know the names of any of these
>	companies.  
>
>	Anyone seen anything like this for sale??
>
>		thanks,
>
>		    Rich

Design Group International (DGI) manufactures 11T HG cogs from Titanium.
TNT components also produces said cog in Ti or Stainless Steel. TNT 
produces a myriad of these cogs: an 11T that replaces the 12, an 11T that
replaces the lockring and converts a 7 spd to an 8, and an 11T that allows
an XTR spider cassette to be fitted onto a 7spd freehub body. All come 
in either Ti or SS. RekTek (from Canada) and DGI produce entire Ti cog sets
for a HG cassette, and I know for a fact that the RekTek cog set comes in 
an 11-30 7spd configuration.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Subject: women working on bikes
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 06:32:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <182g3gINNsh1@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> pali+@osu.edu writes:
>(Question to the ladies: does {\it any
>of you} ever maintain your own bike? (For some reason, none of my female
>family members (mother, wife, daugther, etc.) were ever even able to replace
>a light bulb!))

I'm another woman who works on her own bike (and car and motorcycle).
But it's true that fewer women men do their own mechanical work.
The reason?  Most women were raised with no knowledge of how things work
and no expectation that we would take things apart and gain the same
experience the boys were getting.  It takes a lot of effort to remedy
this lack later in life (took me several years of bothering my more
mechanical friends (all male) to get to where I felt comfortable).

What are the reasons for doing your own maintenance? 
(1) Some people enjoy mechanical work. 
(2) Independance -- you can fix your own breakdowns.
(3) Cost -- cheaper to do it yourself.
What are the disadvantages?
(1) Time consuming
(2) Messy
(3) Takes a lot of effort to learn

For me, independance is the major incentive, but there are plenty of
people who don't mind, or even prefer, being dependant on others.
If your wife never rides solo, and always has you with her, then she
never has to worry about getting stuck because she doesn't know how to
fix the bike.  If she enjoyed mechanical work, she'd be doing it already.
Cost isn't an issue -- you'll do it if she won't.
And if she doesn't like what a helmet does to her makeup,
chain lube isn't going to seem too attractive either.  Doesn't sound like
she has any particular reason to want to do her own maintenance -- why
should she spend the time and effort?

	...Akkana
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: dsphw@bcrka427.bnr.ca (Rick Radko)
Subject: Re: Building a Bike Frame (from scratch)
Reply-To: Don't: No email address.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:41:10 GMT


I was recently thinking of this idea myself.  I am curious though, what
does a tube and lug set with all the braze on's for bottles etc. cost? 
Also, where do you get them, especially in Canada?

Rick
From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Anybody tried the new Avocet titanium-railed saddles?
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:34:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep1.093414.15268
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


	After slumming aroudn the local shop yesterday and seeing
one of these saddles, I was wondering.  the Ads say they have 
a titaniu "ShortRail" and gel pads, and show two models (40 and 50)
while describing three models (racing, men's womens', or something like that).
The one I saw was a 40 and didnt' seem to have any Gel.  From the
pictures it seems the 50 has a Lycra cover; the 40 doesn't.

	The rail is shorter, but the flat section (the part which
slides in teh seatpost clamp) is about the same length as the
Selle Italia flite saddle, perhaps 3mm shorter.  The rail is 
a ShortRail(tm) because at the front it is shorter than most other
rails, ending at a crosspiece which supports the front of the saddle.
Most rails go all the way to the front of the saddle's nose.

	I was wearing Dockers at the time, but I sat on the seats
anyway and decided that I need to ride on them to really know
what they're like.  I ride a regular SI Turbo and it's fine for
rides of up to 30 miles or 2 hours or so, but beyond that it sometimes
causes two pressures points on my butt.  I havee fairly wide rear and
the SI Turbo is more curved on top than many saddles, which might
be the reason.  On the other hand, maybe I just don't ride enough
.   I will go back today with riding shorts adn my biek and
try both the Flite and the AVocet, as well as the standard
Avocet GElflex 20.

	Has anyone used this new Avocet saddle or the Vetta titanium
saddle?
-Case Kim
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: Braze-on Question
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:18:36 GMT

>>: Could you netters comment on the difficulty/expense/caveats of having
>>: someone add water bottle cage braze-ons to my Fuji chrome-moly frame?
>>
>><good advice deleted>
>>
>>Also, you might try to find some Riv-Nuts (Third Hand carries them).
>
>I have both brazed in water bottle bosses and poped in riv-nuts
>and find the brazing more satisfactory. Although you do lose paint,
>the brazed in bosses won't turn. The riv-nuts can, making it almost
>impossible to remove the cage. (They don't always turn, but if they
>start they won't stop).
>

Assuming it's really okay to drill holes in that area (is it?), how
about just threading the holes?


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Nightsun
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  2 Sep 1992 10:33 EST  

I've been using a Nightsun light for a while (maybe 2 years; don't
really remember). The light is going strong but the wiring has
deteriorated pretty badly. A lot of the connections - wire to connector,
wire to switch, wire to wire, connector to bulb  - have broken. I've 
repaired the trouble spots but expect to re-wire it completely.

This may be of some interest to others who use these lights frequently
and in bad weather - you can expect some problems unless they've
improved the quality of the connections and made them more weather
resistant in the time since I bought mine.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: seating tires
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:13:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <168547252.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

>First, using tire levers you should be able to mount the tire in about a
>minute. The only way I can imagine as much time as you descibed would be
>using hands alone- not an easy task!

This weekend, on a ride with a lot of experienced riders, a woman got
a flat. Three of us took about 20 minutes to get that damned tire
off of the rim, the tube replaced, and then we needed to use tire
irons to get the thing back on the rim. Shit happens and tires don't fit
correctly to some rims.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Frith's tandem update
Keywords: tandem
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:55:03 GMT

>rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel) writes:
>>[One reason for clunking is the freewheel might be coming apart.
>> The outside race might be unscrewing, it unscrews clockwise.]

Wayne Iba writes:
>Do you mean "fixed cup"?  No (well, most) freewheel threads are standard
>(i.e., loosen counter-clockwise).  

Freewheels screw on to the hub loosening counter-clockwise (right-hand
thread).  However, most freewheel *bearings* are held by a race that
loosens clockwise (left-hand thread).

I've experienced clunking from a freewheel with loose bearings and it
is particularly mysterious because coasting tends to retighten the
threads enough that wiggling the freewheel body won't show looseness.
You actually need to try rotating the race on the freewheel body to
check it.

	;-D on  ( Righty loosy, lefty tighty )  Pardo
From: pw2@prism.gatech.EDU (WEST, PHILIP D)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Hi Tech Unicycles???
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:20:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Does anyone know if anybody is building unicycles using some of the new
materials and technology that is being applied to off-road bikes??  Most
of the unicycles that I've been seeing are still solid steel things with
spoked wheels, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Re: Tandem Question...
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:30:21 GMT

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello) writes:

>I am soliciting comments on the Cannondale tandem,
>does anybody have anything positive or negative to say ?

I have one, and have nothing but positive things to say about it.  It
is the stiffest tandem I have ridden; though I haven't tried the new
specialized tandem.

The longish rear top-tube either
 o Gives the stoker a lot of room or,
 o Lets you buy a little smaller frame without cramping the stoker

It has all the essential braze-ons for full touring, or can be set up
as a very light, high performance racing tandem.

>Do any other tandems of this apparent quality / rigidity
>exist ? (eg Specialized ?)
Not if you want 700c rims.  

>Does this bike also have a 'creakondale' reputation ?
Mine doesn't creak at all. 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: I Can't See
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 23:22:27 GMT

camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (**bj**) writes:

:)In article <1992Aug27.162008.14837@athena.mit.edu>, aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes...
:)>I got tired of bugs, rocks, dirt, and branches in my eyes, so
:)>I bought some protective eyewear..... Slight problem: They fog up......
:)>.....Is there a way to prevent this? ....... 

SCUBA divers have been dealing with this problem for years.  The problem
is condensation.  The solution is to reduce the surface tension so that
condensation cannot form.  The cheapest and easiest way (albeit a little
grotesque) is to use spit.  A good old fashioned "loogy" to the googles
and wipe it out (of course).  Someone else mentioned dishwashing
detergent - another good solution.  Many stores sell anti-fog liquids
and cloths, but they all basically contain a similar solution to
detergent.  If you leave a little of the active ingredient on the
lens/glass you should solve the problem.

If you would like to test any of the prescribed methods try it on your
bathroom mirror and then take a hot steamy shower.  They work.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "It's my job to help
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      but I don't have to like it."
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Dr. Crusher, "I, Borg"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: I Can't See
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:43:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug27.162008.14837@athena.mit.edu> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
> Slight problem: They fog up.  This only happens

Get used to it Joakim. You sweat and there is a fog of water vapor
around you when you stop. You can buy various concoqtions that
prevent fogging, but all of them I've tried also put a scum on
the lenses that is difficult to see through.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: zeke@chiton.ucsd.edu (Rob Scott)
Subject: Re: DuPont Teflon Drivetrain Lube?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Summary: Tri-flo used frequently in So. Cal.
Keywords: Tri-flow, chain lube
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:32:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.205931.27644@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
>
>I've been seeing quite a few ads lately for DuPont's
>Teflon lube, but have not seen any serious reviews of its
>performance, and the local shop does not carry it.  Has
>anyone out there used it?
>
>Ordinarily I would treat a hyped-up new lube with plenty
>of suspicion, but DuPont is usually careful about how the
>Teflon name gets used, so there might really be something
>to it.  Does anyone know?

Here in the dry and dusty chaparral environment of San Diego, the lube of
choice amongst off-road riders and many road riders during our dry season
(which is 8 months long) is called Tri-Flo, which contains teflon.  Tri-Flo
is a relatively light lubricant, and has good penetrating properties.
It doesn't goop up chains and gear as much as heavier lubricants do.  The 
usual method of usage is a very light application before each ride (presuming 
that we're not talking about a casual "run to the corner store" ride).  Chains
and gears run very quietly with Tri-Flo without a heavy film of lubricant.

Tri-Flo doesn't perform well in wet conditions.  It is so light that it is
displaced easily by water.  For wet or muddy rides I use oil or LPS-3, but 
I pay the price in more frequent chain and parts cleanings.  Then again, 
when things are wet here, the chain and parts are usually in need of a a good 
de-mudding after each ride anyway.



Rob
                    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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            Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego
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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: GRIPSHIFTERS?????
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:39:15 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <12945@lupine.ncd.com>, petes@sheridan.ncd.com (Peter C. Simpson) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.144006.24768@leland.Stanford.EDU>, blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:
|> |> I am looking to buy a Univega mountain bike with gripshifters 
|> |> today.  This is the first time I've ever seen or heard of the 
|> |> gripshifters.  I need more background on them and opinion on
|> |> how good they are or if they have any problems.  Please email
|> |> me....Thanks a lot!!
|> |> 
|> |> Darren
|> 
|> I have GripShifters on my Trek 6000, and I love them. Shifting is not
|> quite a smooth as with thumbshifters, and I highly recommend wearing
|>  riding gloves, since a sturdy grip on the shifter causes the
|> web of my thumb to press against the cable housing of the shifter.
|> The big advantages are being able to change gears without changing
|> hand position, and being able to stay in shifting position even on
|> very rough terrain.  
|> 
|>                               simPSon

I've got a great white shark, well, 1992 model Trek 6000 with Grip Shift.
I find that I've been pressing on the right grip a lot and I'm working on
wearing the 2nd large hole on my grip after 3 months of commuting to work.
If I leave
the bike out in the rain, the right grip comes loose and I have to push
it against the cable housing to shift. Probably a little crazy glue can
fix it. Sometimes I shift when I don't want to when I hit a bump. A
push button shifter or the XTR shifter keeps your hands on the bars while
shifting too but they won't accidentally shift. I need to move your wrist
while shifting Grip Shift so I have to shift early when my wrist
isn't required to hang on during a hard landing. Grip shift is discretely
(indexed) continuous so if the gear change isn't complete I can give a
fractional turn between notches to pop the chain. I find that the shifting
on the front chainring takes too much turning. A larger radius cable
movement is needed.

I don't use gloves, but winter mitts slip and wet hands slip. I'm thinking
about changing to XTR.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: eak@swlrfg (EFTHYMIOS KIAFOULIS)
Subject: Aero Equipment Comments Wanted !!!
Summary: Aero Equipment Comments Wanted !!
Keywords: Aero
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:22:38 GMT



   Hi!  My name is Efthymi and I'm a uscf cat 4 racer.

   I'm interested in upgrading my aero equipment for
   time trials.  Currently I have :
  
   Mavic GL330 Rims w/ 14 guage DT spokes and ultegra 600 hubs

   Vittoria Corsa CX tire on front wheel and Corsa CG with 
   with UNI-DISC wheel cover on back wheel.

   Profile Aero Bars 9 in. width.


   I'm interested in getting narrower aero bars and am
   considering the new 92 Aero Profile II bars , Profile
   Airstryke bars or the Scott Lemond Bars.  If anyone uses
   any of these please provide me with some comments.  

   I'm also interested in getting an aero front wheel 
   and am considering a Matrix ISO-II tubular rim
   with radially laced bladed spokes (24 or 28 ?? I'm not
   sure but I weigh about 165-170 lbs.) and an American Classic 
   hub.  I would probably use a Continental LA tubular tire.
   Any comments on this selection??  Does such a wheel make that 
   big of a difference from my current front wheel (Above) ?? 

   I plan on using the same setup for my rear wheel (above).

   Does a camel-back liquid retainer offer any aero advantages 
   over a normally mounted water bottle cage and bottle other
   than not having to break rythm to drink ??


   Your comments are appreciated !! Thank You !!
From: d7hansl@dtek.chalmers.se (Hans Lindberg)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Info on Shimano600 brk/gearlever in 1 / Advice on Centurion Super Elite
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:23:20 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

Hi!
Have anyone of you out there got the Shimano 600 breaklever-
and-gearshift-lever-in-one stuff on your bike, or have you tried it,
or do you have some info on it? Does anyone know of any plans of making
it available for normal, more medium level equip kits? Can we plan on
finding maybe a 7 shift Shimano 500 version of it within foreseable 
future? Ive been waiting to long now for innovations for roadbikes.
This stuff really makes the ride more safe and ejoyable, no matter
if you go for racing, excercise or leasure. I'll probably upgrade
whenever it comes within my financial range (very short), if it's
any good, that is.

 BTW, I'm thinking of buying a knew bike soon and I've been glancing
a bit on the Centurion Super Elite. I don't know if Centurion is 
a world wide brand, is it? Anyway it's a road bike, Tange Infinity,
Shimano 500(something), Araya (something) rims, 14 gears, etc etc...
 Any comments on the bike? Good sides/bad sides? I will use the bike
for all purpuses, training (more than recently, I hope) taking me
were I need to go, within, say 10 kms, on everyday trips instead of
car/public transportation, and maybe on the occasional camping trip
hikes on road. Comments?



Hans Lindberg



    /      /    /	"-Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable
   /      /    /	 that we have to alter it every six months."
  /------/    /
 /      /    /				--Oscar Wilde
/      /    /.....
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Shifter/Derailleur Adjustment Reference
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:15:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA

I'm looking for references to books or articles with easy to follow
instructions for basic maintenance of indexed, rapid fire shifters
and derailleurs.  In my particular case, Shimano 400LX with RapidFire
shifters.

Right now I have a minor problem with the front chainwheel/derailleur.
Every now and then, when I shift down from the middle chainring to
the small (aka "granny") chainwheel, the chain stays in the middle ring.
This happens mostly when shifting with little load (usually a
preparatory shift prior to stopping for a road crossing, etc.).


I'm convinced that this is something I can teach myself to do, but
last time I tried to adjust the front derailleur based on the owner's
manual which came with the bike, I ended up having to send the bike
in for a premature free tune-up.

Thanks...Joakim
--
Joakim Karlsson            | aviator@athena.mit.edu
Flying Fanatic in Training | Air: PP-ASEL  CAP: Freedom 110 Mobile  FCC: N1JHW
                 "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
                And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings"
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