From: 6489mcadamsj@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Conspiracy
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:23:06 GMT
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In article <93023.191536U54778@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U54778@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>The problem is that only a "massive conspiracy" can explain the extent of the
>>coverup that assassination theorists believe had to have happened.
>>
>Absolute rubbish!!!!!
>The coverup by gov. agencies can be explained by a multitude of motivations,
>the strongest and most prevalent being that they wanted to keep a stable
>situtation within the U.S. and a low key situation within the cold war.
>These reasons derive from absolutely no connection with any smaller
>conspiracy to kill JFK.  This scenario does not completely dismiss any
>connection with my "clandestine vertical slivers" but the vast majority of
>officials would believe that they were doing the country a service.
>By withholding any true investigation into conspiracy, the traces of the
>smaller conspiracy evaporated.
>

OIC. What we have is a "two conspiracy theory."  One small one to kill JFK, and
another larger one to cover up the first.  The latter was acting from good
motives.

>>Do you believe all the evidence against Oswald was faked?
>
>Not all.  But great amounts of them rest upon biased interpretation and
>selective choice.  Some few show indicative signs of fakery.
>My scenario judges that LHO had guilty knowledge.  Whether he was the
>shooter or not, I cannot judge at this time.
>

OK.  Oswald worked for the Small Conspiracy.  This gets around the problem of
believing that the photos with him and the rifle were faked, of believing that
the didn't shoot Tippet, of believing that a conspiracy had set him up as a
patsy and was betting the whole enterprise of the hope that Oswald wouldn't be
sitting talking with a half dozen other Depository employees as the shots rang
out.

>>Do you believe Jack Ruby worked for The Conspiracy?
>
>I believe that JR was connected to the Mafia and the DPD much more
>complexly than the WC admitted.  Since I find your concept of "The Conspiracy"
>which I take is derived from some form of conspiracy monger accusation,
>in the realm of looney tunes, I guess the bottom line answer to your
>question is no.  If you want to recast this question as "Do you believe
>that JR was part of a smaller conspiracy that comprised elements of the
>Mafia?", then I would answer that I suspect that this is true.  No one
>has found the definitive evidence.
>

We do know that Jack Ruby was at Western Union wiring money to a stripper about
an hour *after* Oswald was supposed to be brought out of the police department. 
He then walked over about 11:20 and walked right down a ramp into the basement
where Oswald was brought.  If he had been *assigned* to kill Oswald, or had a
well-formed intention to kill Oswald, he would have been waiting on Oswald.

Given Ruby's personality, it is both difficult to believe conspirators would
trust him with such an important assignment, and easy to believe he would do it
on the spur of the moment.

>>Do you believe the autopsy photos and x-rays were faked?
>
>A possibility.  My scenario does not need this to be true but does not
>disqualify it as impossible.   Actually, the photos and x-rays have not
>been officially released.  All that there is in the public arena are
>a few photos and x-rays of the many that should exist behind orders of
>suppression, that have been obtained through unofficial means.
>Fakery under these conditions is not so incredible, allowing the officials
>to deny these items as being part of their official body of evidence.
>

The Ramsey Clark panel got a look at them, and the HSCA got a look at them, and
the scientists commissioned by Nova got a look at them.  They all said that the
material indicated that Kennedy had been shot twice from behind.

>>Do you believe Kennedy's body was altered before the autopsy?
>
>A possibility again;  and again not necessary for my scenario of conspiracy.
>If you're referring to Lifton's thesis, I have questions of Lifton before
>I can judge whether I will accept his scenario.  They are mainly of time
>factors needed to do what he is proposing.
>Could altering have occurred that does not follow along with Lifton?
>Yes, but again it is not necessary in my thesis for the body to be
>altered.
>
>>
>>If so you have to believe in a massive conspiracy.  If not, you have to
>>believe that Oswald really did it.
>
>This is such a simple minded statement that it could be seen as a joke.

Either there were other people shooting a JFK, or they weren't.  Either JFK
was hit from in front, or he wasn't.

Do you believe there was clear evidence of a gunman on the Grassy Knoll?  If
so, then the whole Warren Commission (and staff) had to be covering it up. 

If there *wasn't* such clear evidence, then no coverup was necessary.

Some people on this newsgroup believe that agents of The Conspiracy were
swarming all over Dealey Plaze right after the assassination, confiscating
film.  Do you believe this was true?  If not, how about saying so.  If you do,
you've positing a very large conspiracy.

Do you believe that Kennedy was hit from in front?  If so, a massive coverup,
to alter either his body or the photos and x-rays (or all three), was necessary.

If not, then it wasn't necessary.

Do you believe Oswald killed Tippett, or not?  If he did, that's a very strong
indication he killed Kennedy too.  If he did, then no conspiracy that included
the Dallas Police was necessary.  But if he *didn't* then the Dallas Police had
to be primed to jump on Oswald (after somebody, somehow killed Tippett and
escaped, having left eye-witnesses with the impression that Oswald had done
it).

In sum, the evidence against Oswald is so massive that you either believe that
a *lot* of people had a hand in framing him, or you believe that he was
actually guilty.

You've said you think he had "guilty knowledge."  Do you think he actually shot
Kennedy?

.John
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