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From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Request for "rules of thumb" - altitude, humidity, temperature
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:00:50 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.

For short runs (a few miles or less, where you don't need water), wet
bulb temperature determines performance.  This is the lowest temperature
that your skin can attain by sweating.  Wet bulb temperature is the
same as dry bulb at 100% humidity and decreases with lower humidity.

For long runs, your performance is limited by dehydration and your
ability to drink as fast as you sweat.  Water loss depends on dry
bulb temperature and is not affected by humidity.

Altitude was discussed a few weeks ago.  For distances under 1/4 mile,
you run faster at high altitude because of lower wind resistance.
For longer distances, oxygen intake becomes the dominant factor.

--------------------------------        _\/_
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jgc@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Geoffrey Chase)
Subject: Re: Looking for good racing shoes?!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.094853.3849@spcvxb.spc.edu> 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>Hi out there!
>I am a 10000 meter and under road runner....i am looking for good 
>road racing shoes...but there are too many out there to pick from !
>I'm looking for some help on what to buy...
>I generally prefer asics,nike, on avia..What should I buy!
>
>I took 3 years off from running and am not up to the latest shoe info!!!?
>thanks,
>"beep beep " 
>Felix

Felix,

	Depending on your taste and speed for longer races I prefer to use
the lightweight trainers versus the specific racing flats for 2 reasons:

	1. they last a LOT longer

	2. they are more cushioned AND more stable than almost all racing 
	   flats ( a real + if you're bio-mechanically dis-inclined like me)

I currently use the Asics Gel Lyte-Ultras and am very happy with them.  I have tried the Gel MC racers in the past and wore them out in about 6 races - I'm 
hard on soles.  I have friends wh swear by their Nike Air Skylons however...

Best Bet:  Go to a good store and try on several dozen pair til you find 
	   EXACTLY what you want in fit, comfort etc...


					happy miles!

					Geoff Chase
					chase@goliath.stanford.edu
From: tad@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Tad Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Request for "rules of thumb" - altitude, humidity, temperature
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:07:21 GMT

From article <1992Sep9.085156.1@azcc.arizona.edu>, by kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu:
> 
>> 
>> I would really doubt 10 minutes.  I just ran a 15 miler, start 67f, finish
>> 76f with 100% humidity, which probably slowed us 2-3 minutes from a low 60s,
>> low humidity day.  A rule of thumb for whether or not the heat and humdity
>> will affect you is too add the temp and humidity.  Above 150 its going to 
>> affect you (i.e. 70f and 80%, or 60f and 90%, etc.).
>> 
> 
> Come on!! Are you saying that if it is 110 degrees out and 30% humidity that
> is not going to effect you???  

No.  First of all this is a rule of thumb, rules of thumb usually
don't apply to the extremes.  I'm sure that 100f and any humidity
would affect you, as would -10f and any humidity. Second, I did not
say that below 150 will not affect, only that above 150 will.

Tad
From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Big Runner needs Shoe advice
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:50:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Grass Valley Group

Background data

Age:        40 (being a master has only increased the
                 competition)
Height:     6U1S
Weight:     220#     16.6% body fat
Feet:       ~11 1/2 with low arches, right leg shorter,
            right foot over pronates
Current shoes:  Etonic Stable Air Pros
                Brooks Chariot HF
Training:   run 15 to 30 hilly (trail) miles/week 
                 @ 10minute pace
            bike stationary  36 minutes/week
            weights 3 times/week, basketball 1/week
Runs:       last 12 months; 2 marathons, 3 30k, several 10k
Financial:  SILK - Single Income Lotsa Kids  (poor)
Problem:    soreness in ankles, knees and hips

    IUm a big, slow guy, but I love to run.   My shoes only
last about 3 months.  At the high cost of stable running 
shoes,  I have to keep lowering my weekly miles (was close 
to 50 miles/week).  Are there any low priced running
or training shoes out there for big runners?  Since I run
mostly on trails (one of the advantages of living in the
Sierra foothills), I need shoes with a lot of support, but
I also like cushion in the forefoot.
   IUm willing to pay more for a shoe that will last.  I
have that dilemma of new running shoes or lunches for the
kids.
   Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
IUm interested to hear especially from other big runners.

Thanks in advance,
Mark Sanders
mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com
Xref: sparky rec.running:2543 misc.fitness:7259
From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: how long should soreness last?
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:19:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuIyny.60q.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Hard earned advice:

Pain is bad.  Exercise should not be significantly painful or result
in notable soreness.  Pain that lingers for more than two days is a
sign of overuse.

Of course, it is impossible to avoid pain completely - especially when
engaging in new activities.  When I started rock climbing, I think I
overused every muscle in my body, and I would be sore for a week
following a "good" outing.  Since I improved rapidly, I associated
this soreness with muscle growth, and actually enjoyed the pain.  This
is a very dangerous attitude as I learned later when I had to cope
with overuse syndrome (tendinitis, muscle strain, etc.).

The smart way to exercise involves avoiding pain by properly resting,
going easy when you exercise already tired muscles, planning a
reasonable schedule that you can maintain without either overdoing or
losing muscle tone, and progressing slowly but surely.  Other
approaches may work for a lucky few (and will be said to work by many
others who deny the setbacks caused by their injuries), but you must
understand the risks.

Take care,

Ken
From: 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Looking for good racing shoes?!
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:48:52 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Hi out there!
I am a 10000 meter and under road runner....i am looking for good 
road racing shoes...but there are too many out there to pick from !
I'm looking for some help on what to buy...
I generally prefer asics,nike, on avia..What should I buy!

I took 3 years off from running and am not up to the latest shoe info!!!?
thanks,
"beep beep " 
Felix
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Training question.
From: julien@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:34:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

In article <18i0idINNpj5@vttux1.vtt.fi>, leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) 
> 
> How do you prepare yourself for such random events during a race?
> 
> How do you prepare yourself for the situation where one or several other
> runners increase the speed after they just decreased it? or do it many
> times?
> 
I find that if you're well prepared and in top physical condition, you should
also be well diciplined. You should have a very good idea of your race pace and
*your* racing strategies. The best strategy is to run your race at your pace.
Sometimes it also depends on how you "feel" on that particular race day.(If you
happen to feel exceptionally good i.e. no sore muscles or knees, etc. then
perhaps you'll be the suprise finisher!). Don't let someone dictate your
running style. I would not increase my pace at some ridiculous speed that would
only cause me to burn out. I would increase to a speed that I can fairly well
maintain. Run what works best for you. There are certain training workouts to
help. It also takes some racing experience to know how to handle a competitor's
challenges.

I've run in high school and in college teams. E-mail me if you want work-outs
that I have trained for.

J.J.

Xref: sparky rec.running:2542 misc.fitness:7256
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: how long should soreness last?
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:46:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <BuH9r3.Gt2@rice.edu> preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs) writes:

>Make gradual changes in your training.  You're talking about going
>from 2 workouts a week (what sort of workouts?) to 4.  You'll want to
>creep up on it -- not do it all in a week.

 I agree. It's harder to train in a conservative manner. It's also best
to build a solid base of gradually increasing mileage for several months
before doing any track interval workouts. A great book that covers all
aspects of running is by Glover: The Competitive Runner's Handbook.
    
>Furthermore, don't do 4 speed workouts in a week.  If you're only
>running 4 times a week, you might make one of them a speed workout and
>the rest some sort of longer run.

 Also good advice.

>Get a coach or buy a couple of books as a guide.
>There's no reason to ignore other people's (painfully earned)
>experience.  You'll save yourself lots of pain and perhaps injury.

 The best advice. A really comfortable one too! There's nothing like 
stretching out and watching great sports on tv after a long training
run. :-)
-- 
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Brooklyn NY usa                                Design & Consultation
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From: tad@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Tad Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Request for "rules of thumb" - altitude, humidity, temperature
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:27:19 GMT

From article <1992Sep8.134607.15634@anasazi.com>, by duane@anasazi.com (Duane Morse):
> A few weeks ago, I ran in the America's Finest City Half Marathon (San Diego).
> The humidity at the start of the race was 87%, there was little cloud cover,
> and not much of a breeze.  At the end of the race, lots of folks said their
> finishing times were 10 minutes slower than usual.

I would really doubt 10 minutes.  I just ran a 15 miler, start 67f, finish
76f with 100% humidity, which probably slowed us 2-3 minutes from a low 60s,
low humidity day.  A rule of thumb for whether or not the heat and humdity
will affect you is too add the temp and humidity.  Above 150 its going to 
affect you (i.e. 70f and 80%, or 60f and 90%, etc.).

> 
> Yesterday I ran a half marathon in the northeastern part of Arizona, altitude
> 5600 feet; I normally run at 1200 feet.  I haven't had a decent half marathon
> time in quite a while, so I don't have a clue on how much the altitude
> affected my pace.

I just got back from Bozeman, Mt (4800') and was told that :24 is taken off
10,000 meter times run there to qualify for NCAA.  So a rough guess at 4800'
is 4 seconds per mile (if you're running 4:40 pace, :-) ).

Tad Davis
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Subject: finding New Balance 676 shoes
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:03:16 GMT

I'm a low mileage runner who is in need of a new pair of shoes.
My current shoes are New Balance 676, and I believe that New Balance
no longer makes this model.  At least that is the impression I get
from the Road Runners catalog.

The new 677 doesn't fit as well, and the 997 (which I'm wearing on a trial
basis, as I type) have an entirely different fit which I don't like at all.

So, I'm wondering if anybody knows where I might be able to acquire
a few pairs of New Balance 676 shoes in Men's 10.5 *B width*.

Thanks,
Randy Marks

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From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Request for "rules of thumb" - altitude, humidity, temperature
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:51:56 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


> 
> I would really doubt 10 minutes.  I just ran a 15 miler, start 67f, finish
> 76f with 100% humidity, which probably slowed us 2-3 minutes from a low 60s,
> low humidity day.  A rule of thumb for whether or not the heat and humdity
> will affect you is too add the temp and humidity.  Above 150 its going to 
> affect you (i.e. 70f and 80%, or 60f and 90%, etc.).
> 

Come on!! Are you saying that if it is 110 degrees out and 30% humidity that
is not going to effect you???  I have been training in the heat of Arizona
and my race and training times have been slowed a great deal and the addition
of the temp. and humidity have never gotten above 150. Typical has been about
100 degrees and 20% humidity.

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: In need of warm up advice
From: moreno@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:36:37 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

	I been running for approximately four years.  I like running 
at a moderate speed and for long distance.  I find this enjoyable.  
But when I do my speed workout is something different.  Every time I 
do more than three 400 meters with a three minutes of rest in 
between, my rear end muscle tights up.  I hate when this happens.  
Obviously on my next 400 meter I slow down my speed.  I feel that I'm 
just dragging my leggs to the finish line.  I warm up as best as I 
can and as effictive as can too, but it seems that it doesn't work.  
Can some please give an advice of what to do or what exercise would 
help me with this muscle? I would really appreciate it.
From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Training question.
Date: 9 Sep 1992 07:30:22 GMT
Organization: VTT / Lab. of Structural Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: rat.vtt.fi


Thanks,

I received some fine advice for training for spurts during the run. It 
seems that the marathon runners are least interested in what other
runners are doing. Maybe that is good for most of them. But if you are
there for the gold medal you definitely should prepare yourself for all
the random events during the run. Maybe you should not follow these
spurts immediately but you sure should have a plan for such event.

Can anyone invent any new methods for training for the surges? How about
the mental training?

-- 
Tapio Leino               email: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
VTT / Laboratory of Structural Engineering
PL 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
tel. -358-0-456 6683  telefax  -456 7003
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: re:heel cups
From: chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 07:22:26 PDT
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac

How much do a pair of orthodics cost?


     CHELSEA

chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Chelsea Graham)
                  The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!
Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:33:09 -0400 
From: Michael Edwin Sheldrick <msb1+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Hamstring Question


I strained my hamstring playing touch football and it has remained
tender. It doesn't really bother me when I walk, but when I run I have
to strech and warm up for an extended period of time, and even then I
can't do any sprint work. 

Normally I would ease up and work it back into shape, but I'm in Naval
ROTC and we PT several times a week, including some running.  I could
ask for a PT excuse, but we have a Physical Readiness Test coming up in
a few weeks and can't really afford to miss the work. Is this strain
something I just have to work around/through, or can I do anything to
help it improve (or at least prevent it from getting worse until I can
rest it)?

Any advice (e-mail or posted) would be greatly appreciated.


Mike
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Baby jogger for two
Keywords: baby jogger, bike trailer
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:58:56 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23014]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu

My wife & I have a new child arriving soon.  We already have one, a three year
old which loves her Rhodegear bike seat and BabyJogger stroller.  With two we
are thinking of getting a baby jogger/bike trailer.  Has anyone in the group
used one, what do you think?

I am interested in the Burley, primarily because it breaks down and can convert
to jogging type push stroller.  I could be interested in any other brand.  Is
it foolish trying to use the trailer for two purposes,  running and biking? 
Sometimes when I've purchased things like this in the past I end up with
something that is not very good at anything.

Also does anyone know of a discount source for items like this, they aren't
available locally.

                             Thanks,       Rick Boebel

 
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:21:12 GMT
Subject: Blood In Urine after running
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.running


Well, I sure hope  someone  else has had this  happen  and can give me some
insight into the future.

Minor background:
  I'm a triathlete and ultra-runner.  I've done Ironman and several
  ultras (longest is 50 miles).

  Last  Saturday I did a 160 mile bike ride in the  mountains  and finished
  feeling pretty good.

  I took Sunday off.


Today (Monday).

  Temp was around 80 as I head out for an easy (7:30s) 4 mile run.  My legs
  & energy  level are better than I might have  expected.  I finish the run
  feeling good.

  About 100 yds after finishing I get this weird urge to pee.  I get inside
  and hit the first bathroom before I might  "embarass"  myself.  All I get
  is dark red blood and, it seems, not much urine.

  Yikes!  I have no pain anywhere else, I'm not dizzy . . .

  I take a very quick shower and call the doc.

  After  talking to the doc for just a few  minutes  he tells me that he is
  99% sure I have  'tri-skfjskjfskfjklsf'.  I don't remember the exact word
  but he explained it as:

  Sometimes  when your  bladder is really  empty and you do something  that
  jostles it alot it can partially  collapse and rub on itself.  Just drink
  alot of water and it should clear in a few hours.

  Well,  after  feeling  like I had to pee every 15 minutes  for 2 hours my
  urine did finally clear.

So, HAS THIS EVER  HAPPENED  TO ANYONE  ELSE?  Assuming  that I don't  have
another problem (cancer etc.)  what can I expect the next time I run?

Thanks!

-- LSC

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Subject: Re: Training question.
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:36:38 GMT

In article <18i0idINNpj5@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:

>The thing which is not included in the list above is the ability to meet
>the attacks of other runners, when the running speed is changed all the
>time. In fact the speed changes quite randomly or unpredictably. This also
>is one of the reasons why in important races there are surprise winners.
>
>The common method of preparing yourself for this is to train the intervals.
>For example 10 times 400m with 1-2 minutes rest in between. But this way
>you always know when to start and to finish. In my opinion this really has
>very little to do with preparing yourself for a race and its surprises.
>
>How do you prepare yourself for such random events during a race?
>
>How do you prepare yourself for the situation where one or several other
>runners increase the speed after they just decreased it? or do it many
>times?

My old coach, Al Lawrence, ran for Australia in the Melbourne
Olympics.  He saw Kuts beat up Pirie in the 10K and it made a big
impression.*   Al's approach to training for Kutsian tactics was to do
things like 400m repeats, with 50-100m sprints in the middle.  Of
course, he used a variety of distances for the repeat and the surge.

Another approach would be the idea of whistle drills.
In this case, you have a coach with a whistle controlling the workout.
You run, and when he whistles, you sprint until he whistles again.

A 3rd approach was suggested by Bill Bowerman (the old Oregon coach).
He had his team run 3/4 mile fast at the start, middle, and end of
their longer runs.  The idea was to prepare them for a fast start, a
fast finish, and have them be ready for a surge in the middle.

Sounds like fun!
Preston Briggs



* For those who didn't see it, Gordon Pirie, a strong finisher, was
favored, but Vladimir Kuts completely demolished him using a series of
extreme pace variations.  Pirie hung on his shoulder through it all
(his announced plan), but eventually was so tired and disheartened
that he jogged in.  Kuts won, Pirie was 7th, and Al finished 3rd.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: krasnor@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Carl Krasnor)
Subject: Toronto Marathon contact address, phone.
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
Distribution: canada usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:40:51 GMT

Could someone send me the contact name, address and phone number for
registering for the Toronto marathon (1st week in October)?

Thanks.
-- 
===============================================================================
Carl Krasnor, Communications Research Lab, McMaster U., Hamilton, Ont. CANADA
krasnor@McMaster.CA   VE3EGK   Tel:(416) 525-9140 x4171    FAX:(416) 521-2922
===============================================================================
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:14:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

>>>
>>>They do because the *taste* triggers the release of insulin.  
>> 
>>Insulin release is triggered by increased blood glucose levels. The
>>sweet taste of the drink has nothing to do with it.  
>> 
>>Julia
>> 
>
>Absolutely correct.  Taste has absolutely nothing to do with insulin production.
>Insulin production is stimulated by blood glucose levels.
>
>Is anyone out there a diabetic?  I have just started reading this group and
>I don't know if the topic has come up before.
>
>Bryan

  There's a guy in Sacramento, California who is a diabetic and a physician.
  He runs with his water belt filled with cola.  He adjusts his sugar levl
  by taking swigs out of it as he goes.

  Sounds dangerous to me, but he's a fairly consistent marathoner.
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