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From: Bob St. Hilaire <st_hilaire@ranger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Resume for Software Quality Engineer > (508) 872-0635
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A74E1D5A0601D021@bsaint.ljo.dec.com>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 10:26:34 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:10:48 GMT


                         Robert St. Hilaire
                         11 Northbridge Rd.
                         Mendon, Mass. 01756
                         (508) 872-0635
                         
OBJECTIVE: A position in Software Quality Assurance.

SUMMARY: Nineteen years experience in quality assurance with a major software
vendor.  Responsible for testing a broad range of software products. 
Excellent verbal, written and technical skills used in formulating test plans
and strategy to guarantee the quality of the systems software.

EXPERIENCE: Digital Equipment Corp.        1974 to Present

 Sr. Software Engineer        1990 to Present

 -Developed Macintosh to IBM PC data interchange guidelines and test
   plan.
 -Developed the test matrix for the MacX to DECwindows interface. This
   was done in the Pathworks for Macintosh environment.
 -Installed and managed Novell file and print servers as part of the VMS
   Pathworks for NetWare Co-Existence product.
 -Developed test  scripts using Novell's menu software to automate
   testing both file and print servers.
 -Managed VAX/UNIX and VAX/VMS systems.
 -Installed and maintained both IBM PC and Macintosh software and
   hardware.

 Sr. Software Engineer        1986 to 1990

 -Participated in new product development for MicroVAX and
   MicroPDP families of computers.
 -Created test and quality metrics throughout the new product cycle from
   planning to implementation.
   
 Software Engineer              1979 to 1986
   
 -Responsible for systems software quality acceptance.
 -Programmed, reviewed and implemented test software.
 -Implemented systems installation and test software to assure systems
   integrity at the customer sites.
 -Responsible for new product introduction.
 -Reviewed specifications for both software and diagnostics.
 -Analyzed system software tests and field test failures to provide
   field service with diagnostic software tools.
   
 Project Technician             1976 - 1979
   
 -Debugged 32-bit systems for both hardware and software acceptability.
 -Responsible for technical support of hardware and software.
   
 Technician                         1974 - 1976
   
 -Tested and debugged PDP-11 computers plus peripherals including
   terminals, discs, tape cartridge, printers.
   
 Military Service
   
 -Logic Instructor               1969 - 1973
   
EDUCATION:
 -Associate's Degree Quinsigamond Community College 1968 Major:
   Science, English
 -USAF College Graduate Equivalency Certificate 
 -Completed Novell training
Newsgroups: ne.jobs
From: discover@lynxinc.com
Subject: Real time embedded software development (recruiter)
Organization: Lynx, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:28:09 GMT

Real time embedded software 

Our successful client is looking for a C and assembly language software
engineer with 3 - 5 years experience and a degree in either computer science,
electrical engineering, or biomed. Real time embedded control experience and
knowledge of Intel architectures are also important qualifications for this
position. The work is in a small team of 5 building microprocessor based
instrumentation.


Mail or fax resume to:

Sophia Navickas
Lynx, Inc. (Software Recruiters)
395 Totten Pond Rd., Suite 204
Waltham, MA   02154

VOICE: 617-890-5200
FAX:   617-890-7020
email discover@lynxinc.com
-- 
brennan@merk.com	...!uunet!merk!brennan		Rich Brennan
Newsgroups: ne.jobs
From: Raj@world.std.com (Paramasiva N Muthuvelraj)
Subject: Wanted Senior SWE -MS-DOS internals, C Programming -Boston Area
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:15:53 GMT



      POSITION         Software Engineer

      LOCATION         Boston Area 

      REQUIRED         * Strong C Programming

                       * DOS Internals

                       * CD-ROM Knowledge

                       * 2-3 Years of Professional experience

 
      -----------------------------------------------------------
       
      Please send your resume to the following address:

           Software Technology International (Recruiter)
           P.O.Box  1262
           Lowell,  MA 01853-1262

           FAX:  508-970-2407
           Phone: (508) 454-2532

Newsgroups: ne.jobs
From: discover@lynxinc.com
Subject: Startup, communications, LU6.2/APPC/LAN/TCP-IP (recruiter)
Organization: Lynx, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:32:07 GMT

Be one of the first 10 engineers in this new startup.

Our client is seeking someone with extensive experience with LU6.2 or APPC.
Any CICS, VMS, or other LAN communications (particularly TCP/IP) would be
considered a plus. They are building a data integrator and would like this
person to design and implement the piece of this system that would help the
users of their product find directories and data on LU6.2 platforms.


Mail or fax resume to:

Sophia Navickas
Lynx, Inc. (Software Recruiters)
395 Totten Pond Rd., Suite 204
Waltham, MA   02154

VOICE: 617-890-5200
FAX:   617-890-7020
email discover@lynxinc.com
-- 
brennan@merk.com	...!uunet!merk!brennan		Rich Brennan
Newsgroups: ne.jobs,misc.jobs.offered
From: chuang@merl.com (Hann-Bin Chuang)
Subject:  Unix/Mac System Support Specialist
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Labs (MERL)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:46:58 GMT


			POSITION AVAILABLE

		Unix/Mac System Support Specialist

Mitsubishi Electric Research Labs (MERL), Cambridge, Massachusetts is seeking
a System Support Specialist to assist the Manager of Engineering Support with
its computing environments.  MERL is a research establishment wholly funded by
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation of Japan in conducting basic research on
computers and their uses.

Major duties and responsibilities:

	- Help provide day-to-day maintenance and operations of all computer 
	  and telecommunication equipment.  This includes system 
	  (hardware/software) maintenance, installation/upgrades, isolation 
	  and trouble shooting of system problems.

	- Administration and configuration of network.  This includes internal
	  LANs, NEARNET, WAN connections to other sites, electronic mail, 
	  netnews and voice-mail.

	- Provide/share general UNIX, MacOS and MSDOS expertise to others.

Candidates must possess the following qualifications:

	-  General Unix knowledge and C/shell programming skills are required. 
	   Unix system administration skills are very desirable.

	-  Thorough knowledge of the Apple Macintosh Computing environment.
	   Including Hardware, MacOS, Applications, and Networking.

	-  Working knowledge of Ethernet, TCP/IP, NFS, NIS, DNS, sendmail, 
           netnews and X11

	-  B/S or M/S degree with minimum 2 years of experience in 
           heterogeneous networked computing environment, preferably within 
           a research environment.

Please send inquiries or your resume to 

	Dr. Hann-Bin Chuang
	Mitsubishi Electric Research Labs	
	201 Broadway, 8th floor
	Cambridge, MA 02139

	Fax: (617) 621-7550
	e-mail: chuang@merl.com



Newsgroups: ne.jobs,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
From: bhc@dirac.uucp (Bruce Cottman)
Subject: Senior Network System Analyst/Engineer
Organization: I-Kinetics, Inc., Cambridge, MA USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:45:01 GMT


Position: Senior (Wizard) Network System Analyst/Engineer
(Don't worry candidates for Sun/Unix/LAN/System Engineer position 
this is a new/different opening)

About the Company
------------------
I-Kinetics Incorporated designs and develops solutions for very large
distributed information systems.  I-Kinetics' products enable
organizations to unite their existing Unix and PC/Windows applications
into powerful, low-cost cooperative processing networks.

Job Description
---------------
Environment: 
Downtown Boston, Financial District [a block from Fanuiel Hall]
Financial Trading and Information Systems of 300+ Sun workstations,
20+ specialized servers,Cisco routers, FDDI, the works.  
A Sun Microsystems "strategic" account.

The environment is primarily Sun based
consisting of Sun workstations and servers, PC's, network equipment
(Cisco routers, Cabletron hubs and bridges), various market data
feeds, and gateways to UUNET and to 3270 and 5250 systems.  

I-Kinetics, Inc currently has a long-term contract to design, develop
and maintain this client's large distributed Sun/Unix system.

Position requires:
() extensive network experience in SunOS or other BSD/SYSV UNIX
environments.

() ability to administrate, support and troubleshoot an existing
network environment with extends internationally.

() Experience with LAN analyzers (and actually have solved problems
using them).

() proven ability to interpret statistics and detect trends to
fine-tune network performance and plan for efficient growth.

() ability to develop and implement network management applications
with an emphasis in network administration.

Other skill pluses include:

() Previous experience with financial trading environments and market
data feeds is a moby plus.

() broad knowledge of computer networking, included areas are: LANs,
WANs, SunOS, network protocols: IPX, SDLC, and FDDI, ATM, X.25.

() Technical consultation and hands on implementation in the following
areas: LAN, WAN, and internetworking design, NIS, security, network
architecture and layout, emerging technology evaluation, RDBMS, and
client/server technology.  

() Experience with Sybase, X-Windows, Motif
performance tuning and product lifecycle management a plus.  

() SNMP network tools using SunNet manager and other network
administration tools.

Requirements: 
A Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or equivalent experience.  
Demonstrated experience in providing high-quality operational support.  
Whether you have a degree or not, is not important. If you are
experienced (and good) at designing and maintaining LANs, we want to
hear from you.


Please send resume to:

hr@i-kinetics.com 

--  or --
(fax) (617) 661-8625
-- or --

I-Kinetics, Inc.
c/o Ms. Piedad Purtell
19 Bishop Allen Drive
Cambridge, MA 02139
Re: System Wizards
From: jwarner@manager.prospect.com (James A. Warner, Jr.)
Newsgroups: ne.nearnet.tech
Subject: Re: Policy Question - LONG
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:38:24 -0500
Organization: NEARnet News/Mail Gateway
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: noc.near.net



Bill Sommerfeld, MIT '88, wrote:

	In the event of some sort of misbehavior (i.e., tampering with systems
	software), they don't shut the account off first and ask questions
	later..  

I agree that reactions to violations should not be intemperate or 
hasty. The process should be a procedural one with information about
the procedure well known to all users in advance. 

	Instead, they go through the Dean's office, and act as
	*witnesses* in a judicial-style proceeding, not as prosecutor, judge,
	or jury...

This is very similar to the way honor code violations are handled at
the University of Virginia. I think this represents a significant 
piece of a worthwhile model of a way to handle infractions in a 
manner most likely to result in a proper solution. (I think that 
is defined as one in which the offensive behavior stops _and_ the 
offender continues to have access rights.)

	Incidentally, the usenet services at MIT are run by a student
	organization; the hardware is provided by I/S, but all the *support*
	is provided by students and recent alumni..

That's wonderful. The more that a system like this can be operated and
managed by the students, the better it will probably work. The students, 
in fact, are the jury for UVA honor violations. The difference in our
situation from the honor code model is that I think there are fairly 
well-defined examples of honor violations, such as cheating or stealing,
with well-defined associated punishments - WHICH INCLUDE EXPULSION.
We need more work on setting guidelines for defining network (the 
institution's and the rest of the Internet) violations.

	....  if MIT I/S yanks a student's account
	on Athena (the MIT distributed computing environment) for misuse, that
	student may not be able to do his homework; many classes at MIT
	*require* use of athena.

To be expected. All the more reason for a considered, procedural approach
rather than a hasty pulling of the plug. But it is also illustrates the
amount of leverage that the institution has in "reaching a settlement" 
with an offender and the strength of its remedies for very serious
offenses. 



Cheerio -
                  Jim
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James A. Warner, Jr.                         		100 Fifth Avenue
Director, Prospect Innovation Center         		Waltham, MA  02154
Manager of PI-net, the Prospect Innovation Network      Tel: (617) 890-6960
Internet: jwarner@prospect.com
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From: steve@avalon.dartmouth.edu (Steve Campbell)
Newsgroups: ne.nearnet.tech
Subject: X.400 mail
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:59:33 -0500
Organization: NEARnet News/Mail Gateway
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: noc.near.net

We have a user who needs to communicate with someone in Europe who
has given our user an X.400 address to send to.  You know, things
like C=US; A=INFONET; P=WWF; O=MISWP; OU=GATEWAY; S=McBRIDE;
G=GREGORY; etc.  How does one form a workable RFC822 address from this?

						Steve Campbell
From: econrad@service2.omnet.com (Mr Network)
Newsgroups: ne.nearnet.tech
Subject: Re:  X.400 mail
Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:55:24 -0500
Organization: NEARnet News/Mail Gateway
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: noc.near.net

Here's an alias I use for my telemail address, it looks similar to
what you need:

e.conrad: /dd.un=e.conrad.omnet/o=omnet/admd=telemail/c=us/@sprint.com

                              ...Eric
From: pavlov@karloff.fstrf.org (pavlov.greg)
Newsgroups: ne.nearnet.tech
Subject: Re: Policy question
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:21:04 -0500
Organization: NEARnet News/Mail Gateway
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: noc.near.net


11129215415900E               0023700000000
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:41 EST
From: PAVLOV.GREG (Data Management Center, FSTRF, Amherst NY)
To: postmaster@nic.near.net
cc: marc@mit.edu,johnson@northeastern.edu,nearnet-tech@nic.near.net,PAVLOV.GREG
Subject: Re: Policy question
Attach: 

> .... Any kinds of policies of the type being discussed in this thread should
> probably be worked out in conjunction with input from a real attorney.

 My observation is that the majority of attorneys are as confused by computer-
 related legal issues as anyone else.  While yes, one should ultimately resolve
 a policy of this type with one's favorite institution attorney, one should 
 also have a pretty good idea of conventions followed by others and issues that
 are unique to/driven by the nature of computer/communications technology.


  greg pavlov

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From: warren@opl.com (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: ne.forsale
Subject: 2 free cats
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:20:17 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: OPL, Inc.

Two free cats available.

Each are about 1-1.5 years old. 

	o One black cat with a white tummy.  female.  Has had one
		litter of kittens.
	o One "tortouise" shell cat.  (Cross between a calico and a tiger.)

Very lovable.  A little shy around strangers.

Both are trained, and need a loving home.  I am moving to a condo, with no
pets allowed.

Please send mail if interested.  Free delivery included (within 20-30 miles.)
If you take both, I will throw in a kitty carrier (cost $50), and a dirt box.

Need to find a new home before 12-22-92.
-- 
--- 
Warren Lavallee - System Manager
warren@opl.com
From: rtaraz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Newsgroups: wpi.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: Wanted->HD controler
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:45:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I need an 8-bit MFM controler card for my true blue IBM PC.
I should have disk drive controller too.  If anybody has one forsale get
in touch with me.

Thanx

rtaraz@wpi.wpi.edu

Newsgroups: ne.forsale
From: jhh@world.std.com (John H Huebner)
Subject: 2400 external modem wanted
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:34:11 GMT

I want to get my girlfriend's Mac Classic II a modem for christmass,
but I can't spend too much because I still have other gifts to get
her. I am looking for a good 2400 baud external, with or without
cable/ data compression or fax. extra features will of course influence
price.

I will only consider offers under $100.

Thanks in advance.

jhh@world.std.com

Newsgroups: ne.forsale,nj.forsale,ny.forsale,princeton.forsale
From: mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy)
Subject: Computer and Washer
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:08:25 GMT



Selling:

   Apple //gs 'WOZ' with ROM 01 Upgrade
   Apple RGB Monitor
   Apple 3.5 drive
   2 Apple 5.25 drives
   Apple 1 MEG RAM card
   Apple Imagewriter II Color Printer.
   All Manuals and Boxes.  System has VERRY LITTLE use on it.



Spare Parts for apple II

    Novation Apple Cat 300/202 MODEM
    Apple 16Sector disk ][ controler card.
    Applied Engeneering Z-80 Card
    Assorted Paralell Printer cards.
    Star Micronics 9 pin dot matrix paralell printer.


Sears Portable Washer

     Current modem sears portable washer, can be 
     installed permanatly, or hooked to any sink.
     Used only a few times.


If interested, E-Mail me!

Marc.
From: kel@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.e.leonard)
Newsgroups: ne.forsale
Subject: AKC Labrador Retriever Puppies
Keywords: dogs, puppies, AKC
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:00:46 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: AT&T

AKC LABRADOR RETRIEVER PUPPIES

8 weeks old; 1st shots; good health; ready to go home.

These puppies are bred from championship lineage including
Lindall Mastercraft (English, Canadian, American Champion).

Sire:                         Dam:
Cajun's Kodiak                Morgan's Pride Smoocher
Black Lab                     Chocolate Lab
OFA Hip Certified: Good       OFA Hip Consult Clear

Chocolate $500.00      Black $400.00

Please call Peter Morgan
            603-893-2248
From: azari@ksr.com (Nasser Azari)
Newsgroups: ne.forsale
Subject: PERSIAN CARPET FOR SALE ** DO NOT MISS THIS ***
Keywords: Persian Carpet
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:32:29 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.


**************  An Exceptional Offer  ***************
          Persian Carpet Imported by the Owner
*****************************************************
Made:           Silk
Size:           6'X4'
Origin:         Quom, IRAN
Color:          Ivory, rose, white
Price:          $1900 (or bo)

You don't want to miss this opportunity.  I have imported this carpet
myself, so I can afford to sell it cheap (no overhead).  I have a
certificate for it from an authorized carpet store which has estimated
the carpet price for $3900.  I am willing to sell it for 50% of the price.

Can make a good Xmass present.

If you are interested call me at (617) 891-9365
or send me email: azari@ksr.com

Newsgroups: ne.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: gerardi@sdr.slb.com (Paul Gerardi)
Subject: MAC IIcx 5/80
Organization: Schlumberger
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:48:22 GMT

I'm posting the following for a friend without usenet access.

For Sale:

Mac II cx  5/80      3 yrs old EXCELLENT condition.

comes with extended keyboard and mouse, and Apple 8-bit video card
(no monitor).

asking $1700.


Please send all comments, offers, etc. to:
couet@sdr.slb.com




Newsgroups: ne.forsale
From: mason@cis.umassd.edu (Mason L. Bliss)
Subject: Wanted:    AC Adapter for Hayes Smartmodem 1200
Summary: I need an AC adapter (13.5v) for Hayes Smartmodem 1200
Keywords: modem power macintosh guinea pig
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:22:41 GMT

I have a Hayes Smartmodem 1200, and I need an AC adapter for it - one of
those funky Hayes-specific connectors. (13.5v)

I don't care if it's used or not, and I'll pay a reasonable price. I'll also
travel to get it, if you're not horribly far away.

Mail me at <mason@cis.umassd.edu> if you've got the correct cable and ya want
to sell it to me!
--
Mason L. Bliss <mason@cis.umassd.edu> is watching you.
From: graham@hri.com (Ed Graham)
Newsgroups: ne.forsale
Subject: Exercise equip. 4 sale
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:18:17 GMT
Reply-To: graham@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

Please do not send any replies to me, I am posting this
for a friend.  His name and number are at the bottom.


Olympic Combo Adustable bench:  $300.00

    - Attachments: Leg, Preacher, Dip
    - Heavy duty welded steel w/thick padding.
    - Flatbench
    - Incline bench
    - Shoulder press
    - Squats
    - Front and rear leg curls
    - Preahcer curls
    - Chest/Tricep dips


Lat machine:  $300.00

    - Wide grip bar
    - Close grip bar
    - Seated row bar
    - Tricep rope
    - Tricep/curl bar
    - Ankle cuffs
    - 2 olympic weight adapters
    - Various pulldowns for back


305lb Olympic free weight set:  $170.00


Hex Dumbells:  $180.00

    - 20, 25, 30, 40, 70


Adjustable Squat Rack:  $80.00


Tunturi Exercise Bike: $200.00

    - Digital display for time, pulse, distance, etc.
    - Adjustable seat
    - +/- for tension
    - You sit with your feet out in front of you


Lifestyle Treadmill:  $150.00

    - Works fine

All equipment except the treadmill is less than six months
old.  Everthing is good quality equipment bought brand new.
Prices are firm.  The equipment can be seen in Derry, NH.
just off Rt 93 Exit 4.

Eric Burchell
508-441-4727

Xref: sparky ne.forsale:5505 misc.forsale:33711
From: jdeignan@bbn.com (John P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: ne.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: 85 BMW 318i For Sale
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:37:56 GMT
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com



Posted for a friend......Don't contact me.


************   FOR SALE   ***************

1985 BMW 318i

5 speed, grey metallic with blue interior, 
excellent condition.

Asking $7295

Call (617) 894-7498
From: bala@toasties.ai.mit.edu (Bala Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: ne.forsale
Subject: Electric/portable room-heater
Date: 20 Dec 1992 20:20:50 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: toasties.ai.mit.edu

Electric, portable, convector room-heater. 
1500 watts. Will heat upto 180 sq. feet.
Only 1 year old.
Two heat settings with indicator lights
Automatic thermostat.
Anti-freezing function.

Price: $45 or best offer.
Contact: Hiro 225-0612
Reason for sale: Not necessary in current apartment.

This is for my room-mate. I prefer you contact him directly. But will
forward messages if necessary.


Newsgroups: ne.forsale
From: khcheng@unix.amherst.edu (KIM HONG CHENG)
Subject: software for sale MS C/C++,CrossTalk,WinFAX Pro
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:47:48 GMT

MS C/C++ 7.0 + SDK 3.0
* still in plastic wrap (never been used)
* registration card included
* 45 lb of manuals
* All for $200 (new > $300)

CrossTalk for Window
* modem software for windows
* still in plastic wrap (never been used)
$ 50 (new $119)

WinFax Pro 2.0 for windows
* still in plastic wrap (never been used)
* $ 30 (new $70)

(Both CrossTalk + WinFax for $75)


Xref: sparky ne.forsale:5500 mit.bboard:485
From: kkoretsk@BBN.COM ()
Newsgroups: ne.forsale,mit.bboard,bbn.bboard
Subject: Legless Poker Table for sale
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:56:15 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: kkoretsk@BBN.COM ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

WHAT AN ORIGINAL CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS EVERYTHING BUT A.......

Custom Made (legless) Poker table.  Comes complete with 8 newly upholstered
captains chairs.  

New felt on top, padded sides, Must see to appreciate.  Need to clear
it away this week-end from my home in Arlington.  Asking 200.00 or BO.
The chairs alone are worth it.
Call Paul (617-643-8059) for details.
Newsgroups: ne.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.other