From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Another sorry doublespeak convert spews old lies...
Summary: Because it's easier than admitting they've been wrong for years
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:45:30 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <01GPCRMFHKPOG9L8C5@UMAECS>, VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> Anwar Mohammed writes: >"
>>""Innocent" 250,000? Uniformed thugs and looters caught trying to
>>"escape Kuwait in their stolen autos stuffed with loot is more like
>>"it. There were civilian casualties of the bombing campaign, and that's
>>"an unfortunate fact of war, but the bulk of the dead were on the road
>>"out of Kuwait and in the entrenchments *inside* Kuwait and southern
>>"Iraq.
> 
> Palmer writes: >>
>>>FALSE! The majority of those who died were civilians who died as a result
>>>of our bombing sewerage treatment plants and water plants. See RED CROSS
>>>reports.
> 
> Anwar writes again: >
>>I'm amazed that you still have the audacity to post after your lies.  Why
>>don't you address the question?  Neither Amnesty International or
>>Red Cross *ever* claimed that the U.S. killed 250,000 innocent people.
>>
> 
> The records I have:
> 
> According to May 92 report of Green Peace, there were more than 200,000 
> deaths (directly or indirectly).  Around 120,000 Iraqi soldiers died in
> the 43 day war. Half of the above was killed in the 100 hour ground war.
> There were civilian deaths in the range of 49,000 to 76,000. Because of
> very Strict censorship by America, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, this shock-
> ing news was covered-up.  

	Oh, please!  Greenhype inflated the numbers to suit their own political
agenda.  *Censorship*?!  Then how come we've seen these numbers N+1 times?

	Iraq (you remember them) said 7,000 soldiers died, about 43,000
wounded/missing.  The latest independent toll indicate less than 100,000 dead
in the two years following the war.  Plus, there's Saddam's ongoing attempt to
genocide the Kurds and Shiites to pump up the numbers.

> According to another volunteer organization, the child death in Iraq is
> 1500 per day and there would be 170,000 child deaths in the next 5 year
> period.  Due to this a whole generation has been destroyed.  The modern

	Something for the present generation to think about before they start
yet another war.

> techniques of war create a long term effect.  Destruction  of hospitals  
> and waste treatment facilities etc  were the main cause of the indirect
> effect of war in Iraq.

	Name the hospitals hit.  Name the waste treatment facilities hit.

> Though I respect the  RED CROSS and AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, I guess they
> are not beyond the patriotism.  Amnesty International report during the
> Gulf War said that Iraqi soldiers went to maternity hospitals and threw
> the children out of the inhubator boxes (sorry for paraphasing).  Remem-
> ber Naira Al-Sabah? She deserved an Oscar for her Congressional hearing!

	I don't believe that Amnesty confirmed the incubator story directly.

> I know.  This is not the proper forum (alt.politics.clinton) for all of
> these.  But I didn't want to leave this  unanswered.  I wouldn't do any
> follow up in this forum.

	You can continue in your blind hatred of the US, but it doesn't change
the facts.

Brett                                                      
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