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From: nyh@emilio.WPI.EDU (Nevo Y Hed)
Subject: Re: Zachary Baumel
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:12:25 GMT

In article <22016@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:

>The international community can do whatever it wants, but ISRAEL sounds
>a bit hypocritical in asking that Mr. Baumel be treated like a POW when
>they accord no such courtesy to people THEY capture in Lebanon.


	Red cross was denied visitation to any of the said captives?

	Is their status [dead/alive] kept secret?

	If dead - are the bodies kept in a local museum?

	AND! when did Israel walk it's captives in a parade?

	let us here some [gorey?] details please

	Thnx
		-Nevo
-- 
Nevo Y.	 Hed              nyh@wpi.wpi.edu
++1-508-754-2491          CS student, Worcester Polytechnic Institute.
"I like my cigar too, but I take it out of my mouth from time to time" G.Marx
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: FACTS EVERY ISRAEL BASHER MUST AVOID!
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:06:39 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul20.212300.28515@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
=>In article <23909@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>>In article <1992Jul17.235748.4621@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
=>>=>In article <23845@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>>=>>In article <1992Jul16.221701.8030@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
=>>=>>
=>>=>>=>>So what...???? Does it make it more acceptable because it's in the
=>>=>>=>>past???  
=>>=>>=>
=>>=>>=>No, it makes it a whole lot less relevant to the present situation that
=>>=>>
=>>=>>
=>>=>>And the Jews were persecuted by the Romans *when*?
=>>=>
=>>=>Comparing the two is downright sick, Henderson.  When Jews were thrown
=>>=>out of our homeland by the Romans, hundreds of thousands were
=>>=>slaughtered and even more sold into slavery.  I think you need a big
=>>=>dose of perspective.
=>>
=>>...or just a loan of your double standard.
=>
=>Excuse me, Jeremy, then please answer one simple question: 
=>
=>How is it a double standard to mention that it's sick to compare
=>isolated incidents numbering on the order of 10 with the slaughter and
=>enslavement of a nation of millions, including (according to Flavius
=>Josephus) over 600K deaths?  

A nation of millions? The order of ten? Where do you get these figures from?
You think the Israelis have only killed 10 Palestinians? You think 
Bethlehem was a Bible-age Tokyo? Talk about perspective!!

 
-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
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From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ISRAEL JOINS THE CIVILIZED WORLD
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:44:22 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul23.213516.15150@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
=>In article <24030@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>
=>>Now I've heard everything - Shamir and Gandhi in the same category.
=>>Funny how the little Indian chap is best known for non-violence whereas
=>>the little Jewish bloke is a well-known member of a murderous gang. Still,
=>>these little distinctions don't mean much, do they Jake?
=>
=>"the little Jewish bloke _IS_ a well-know member of a murderous gang?"
=>And which gang would that be?  How many people have they murdered in 
=>the past, oh, say, 10 years?

If this is the most profound criticism you can come up with, I think that
says a lot about the bankruptcy of your position. Why don't you read a 
little about your hero's dealings with the Nazis, and stop talking rubbish.

=>Your unwillingness to recognize the difference between Shamir/Bush/Major
=>and between Arafat/Habash indicates severe stupidity or severe prejudice.
=>Probably both.

I think the part of Pee Wee's Big Adventure that you're trying to remember
here went something like "I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say
bounces off me and sticks to you". Maybe you can re-view your video and
find a new debating technique before posting again.

-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
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From: rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: FACTS EVERY ISRAEL BASHER MUST AVOID!
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:57:38 GMT

In article <EeOr_aW00WB2EUcVcI@andrew.cmu.edu> Radu Eugen Edelstein <re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I say:
>How do you explain the fact that the piles of rocks were prepared
>in advance, that the "worshipers" went directly to those piles at

HAHAHAHA...what a load of crap!  How were the Muslims supposed to
know that right-wingers planned a rally that day?  Do they make
a habit of informing their enemies of their rallies?

Do you think the SOLDIERS who patrol the Mosque courtyard just let
Muslim build a pile of "killer rocks" just in case???

Please...

>the same time, and that no Jew was in the Muslim praying area (as
>could be easyly seen from the video captions all Jews worshiping
>at the wall (by the way, that was the only time a year that Jews
>go there to worship en masse, and Palestinians knew that in advance),
>were tens of feet under the Palestinians rock-throwers) ?
>Rad

Oh right....Jews only go ONCE A YEAR to the wall....And on MONDAY.

The videos showed it all-right...and afterward American public 
opinion of Israel plummeted downward and sympathy for Palestinians
went UP.  Yeah, the videos did indeed show it...

Sandra.
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israel Cancels Building in the West Bank
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:02:11 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul25.174753.11742@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
=>
=>I'm sure that the Israelis in the Galilee, still being subjected to rocket
=>attacks from those "disarmed Palestinian fighters in Lebanon," would be
=>delighted to learn that those attacks are merely figments of their
=>imaginations.

Can you please back up this assertion with estimates of the numbers of
Israelis killed by attacks from Lebanon and the Golan Heights, and compare
those figures with the numbers of Arabs killed by Israeli attacks on
Lebanon and Syria? For the purpose of this exercise, feel free to exclude
the civilians killed during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 
Thanks for your help,
Looking forward to your clarification,



-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Ajamis and Anwar Mohammad
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:45:31 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Said about Fuad Ajami:
>
>> I would also point out that while I, personally, am a fan of Ajami's, 
>> I doubt that he is really representative of most Arabs' views.
>
>I'd like to 'thank' you for proving my point for Elya.
>
>As far as my 'line of thinking' goes, I can see how someone like you,
>who has previously defended rape and murder in Iraqi-occupied Kuwait on 
>this newsgroup, wouldn't be very interested in seeing diversity of 
>opinions from Arabs. I am.
>
>-anwar

	For the information of Anwar Mohammad, Fuad Ajami is not an
	Arab. He wrote this himself in the New Republic in an issue
	published after the war against Iraq last year. May be April
	or May or June 91 (not sure which month). He talked about his
	background and said his family came from southern Iran and
	settled in Lebanon.  He stated that how he does not feel as
	an Arab.  He hates every thing Arab and he does not hide
	his Khomenist views. To quote him as an Arab is quite 
	misleading.

	If you are fond of him because of his Khomeinist Sectarian 
	views so please tell us about you hidden agenda. As you have 
	stated many times you have discomfort with Iraq much before 
	Saddam invaded Kuwait. This stand was taken by many Kuwaitis
	who harbor Khomeinist ideas. 

	If you think that you are going to please Al-Sabah by your
	anti-Iraqi views while entertaining your Khomeinist ideas I tell
	you you got it wrong.  The Sabahs are well aware about any body 
	who harbors Khomeinist ideas and they will get you sooner than
	later. 

	Yes you found an excellent opportunity by the fall of
	relations between Al-Sabah and The Iraqis to start entertaining
	Khomeinist ideas but sooner or later Al-Sabah the eternal rulers
	of Kuwait ( the Gauarantee of the USA) will get back to their
	natural ally of Iraq after the change of Saddam Hussein( Which I
	expect to be soon) and you will be left on the Margins. May be
	you will satart getting help from Ayatollah Mohtashimee..

	Remember Al-Sabah are skillful users of the people ..... 
	So if they used you in this conflict may be the next conflict
	will be of a different nature !!!!!!!!

A Jaber
From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Arab Gestures
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:12:53 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.


The PLO attack on the beaches of Tel Aviv restored so much confidence that
the US was forced to break off the newly achieved "dialog."

-- Chris Metcalfe


In article <1992Jul28.171746.23926@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>
>Can anybody list any substantial Arab gestures of goodwill towards Israel,
>say comparable to ending the intifada, stopping terrorist attacks on
>civilians, ending the boycott, ending the secondary and tertiery aspects of
>the boycott, ceasing to distribute anti-semitic literature such as the
>Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or something comparable?
>
>Or can anybody explain why it is always Israel that is called on to take
>confidence-building measures? 
>
>-- 
>bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:50:13 -0400 
From: Radu Eugen Edelstein <re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NUKE IRAQ

Mark writes:
   While it is true that Sadam Hussein deserves to die a slow and
painful death, the people of Iraq have suffered enormously.  What
I would like to see done is Sadam Hussein executed, to give these
poor people a chance to create their own government.  I would not
object to nuking Sadam Hussein!

I say:
Iraqis don't know what democracy is and they are bound to make the
same mistakes again.  While the degree of indoctrination and the
level of nationalistic feelings (main drawbacks) are about the same
as those that existed in former communist countries, the anti-western
attitude of the Iraqis is an element that contributes to Iraqis'
complicity in allowing the existance of such leaders as Sadam.

Rad
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From: hernlem@che14.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Israel, Lebanon, etc
Reply-To: hernlem@che14.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.083134.20431@ilx018.intel.com>, bval@ilws61
(Valentine Bob) writes:
> There are a few interesting points about the Israeli occupation
> of Lebanon raised lately.
> 
> 1) Have Palestinian Katyusha landed in Israel since the PLO was 
>    disarmed?
> 
>    I believe the answer is "no", the Katyusha that landed in Israel,
>    (one of which killed a five year old girl, one landed on a 
>    thankfully empty bus station) were fired by "Hizbollah" after
>    the Israeli assassination of their leader (Awari?)

I also believe the answer to this is no.
 
> 2) Are "Hizbollah" a resistance movement or are they just terrorists
>    that the other occupiers (Syria) happen to "like"?
> 
>    I'm like to see some data on this. 

Hezbollah spends its time and effort (and lives) to push Israel out of
Lebanon. Based on this observation, I would apply the term "resistance
movement".
    
>    It is said that these group, "Hizbollah" Syria and Iran financed, 
>    trained, even manned. Is there data?

Iran has provided monetary and material assistance to the Lebanese
Hezbollah as well as training by Iranian pasdaran. Iran has publicly
stated that it is withdrawing pasdaran from Lebanon and is reducing aid.
The last large aid effort that I recall was a shipment of food and other
non-military supplies to the Hezbollah during the heavy bombardment from
Israel following Sheikh Mosavi's assassination. The Hezbollah helped
rebuild the villages destroyed by Israel after that confrontation.
 
>    How many of these "Hizbollah resistance fighters" are native to
>    Southern Lebanon and how many are mercenarys, and/or imports
>    from elsewhere?

To my knowledge the vast majority, if not all, are native Lebanese
unless you include military advisors. I don't have any figures. 
 
> 3) Is the reason the Syrians took the guns away from the PLO 
>    because they are backing more radical Palestinian groups than 
>    PLO and can wield more power with the other groups. Data?

PLO were disarmed because this was called for in the Ta'if Agreement to
end the civil war in Lebanon. The Agreement also called for the
disarming of all the militias in Lebanon and transfer of control of all
areas to the Lebanese Army. The Agreement called for cooperation and
assistance from Syria. Syrian troops are supposed to withdraw to the
Bekaa valley in September 1992. A subsequent treaty calling for
cooperation between the countries in matters of security may provide an
excuse for this provision to be overruled (at least in Syria's eyes).

[...]

> Bob

Brad Hernlem (hernlm@chess.ncsu.EDU)
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From: badr@sbbadr.cs.sunysb.edu (Hussein Badr)
Subject: Sinai/Taba (was: Withdrawl from Territories)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:07:46 GMT

In article <14599@umd5.umd.edu> spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >       I belive he sez that thelast time Israel returned Sinai
>> > >[endded in 82?] was not the first time Israel returned Sinai - thus
>> > >yes, there was an exchange before the last time.
>> > 
>Not to nitpick, but wasn't the Sinai deal completed with the return of  
>Taba, after Israel lost the case in arbitration (something about original  
>maps not being precise, etc)? I seem to remember that they returned it not  
>too long ago (certainly after 1985- I stayed at the Aviya Sonesta there,  
>and it most certainly was not inside the Egyptian border then).
>
>
>
>
>
>shalom
>j skorecki-weiss
>formerly the "Dread Accountant"


   The Sinai deal was completed with the last stage of withdrawal in April
1982. Taba was a "loose end" that was not resolved till 1989 (I'm almost
sure, maybe 1990).

  The Taba business is an interesting case study in unnecessary
bloody-mindedness; Israel could have come out with a *much* better deal if it
hadn't dug in so hard (At one stage of the negotiations, the Egyptians offered
to lease Taba back to Israelis for 99 years if the latter would recognize
Egyptian sovereignty over the place. Begin's answer was "And after 99 years,
what?" !!!!!).

  Anyone interested in the issue (and much else besides to do with interactions
between the Egyptian and Israeli leaderships) should check out a book called
"Culture & Conflict in Egyptian Israeli Relations" by Professor Raymond
Cohen of the Hebrew University. I highly recommend the work.

                   Regards to one & all,

                         Hussein Badr
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From: rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: Avoiding Flames
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.170738.2725@dazixco.ingr.com> naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com writes:
>>
>
>So what is Syria doing in Lebanon for the last years?
>

Have *I* ever condoned Syria????  Have I *ever* defended Syrian actions????
NEVER....

But since you ask about Lebanon...what is Israel doing these last years
there....the same thing as Syria, I know...


>
>
>--
>Naftaly Stramer (303)530-0441, FAX (303)581-0106    DAZIX, An Intergraph Company
>Internet: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com                  6285 Lookout Road    
>UUCP: ..uunet!ingr!dazixco!naftaly  	            Boulder, CO 80301
>Please excuse my English


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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Israel Wins First Olympic Medal!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:55:48 GMT

It has just been posted in the mideast mailing group that Israeli
Yael Arad won the silver medal in female Judo competition.

Yael - Kol Ha-Kavod!

-Danny Keren.
From: bval@ilws61 (Valentine Bob)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Definition of Zionism
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:21:36 GMT
Organization: Intel
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Jack - 

after reading the following line (in what was a heated exchange)

>p.s. I am more than will and have apoloziges for things I have said that may
>have seemed hateful.  That is more than I can say for any Zionist I have
>ever met.  

I'm just curious. What is YOUR definition of a Zionist?

Mine is - one who believes in Jewish nationalism i.e., that the interests
	  and aspirations of the Jewish nation can only be served by there
	  existing a country governed with the interests of the Jewish
	  nation in mind.

This is, of course, the same as any other nationalist movement, with 
changing "Jewish nationalism" to "Kurdish nationalism" or "Palestinian
nationalism" etc...

[And this is why the "Zionism = Racism" was antisemetic poppycock when
similar resolutions were never passed against any other nationalist
movements. The problem is not the truthfullness of the statement, but that
only one nationalist movement was singled out to suffer such a resolution.
But I drift...]

Again, (to Jack but open to anyone) what is YOUR definition of a Zionist?.

Bob
And Martillo has bluntly but correctly pointed out some of the problems
with any and all nationalist movements, but as long as the world

where nationalism = the belief that a nations interests are best
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Radio Host Fired After Jewish Prote
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:03:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul28.214214.28503@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
=>In article <22045@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens),
=>while trying to convince us that former Israeli Prime Minister
=>Yitzhak Shamir was actually a Nazi collaborator, says to Allan Stein:
=>
=>>[...] -- one can only speculate about what kind of self-hating
=>>neuroses would cause a Jew like yourself to repeatedly come to the
=>>defense of someone who voluntarily offered to fight on the side of the
=>>Nazis.  
=>
=>If the Israelis allowed a Nazi collaborator to run their country
=>for years, their political system is even more warped than Syria's
=>or Iraq's.  

You said it!



-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Radio Host Fired After Jewish Protests
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:51:44 GMT
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: singer@uwovax.uwo.ca's message of 26 Jul 92 17:29:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.132920.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> singer@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>
> It's a hoary anti-Semitic trick to equate any aspect of Jewish defensive
> behavior to save Jewish lives during the Holocaust with that of the Nazis
> themselves.

Please demonstrate to us -- by something other than repeated baseless
assertions of yours, of course -- that Shamir and his gang's behavior
was a "defensive" attempt "to save Jewish lives", and not -- as Shamir
himself stated! -- an effort to found a Jewish Nazi-like state in
Palestine. 

If you can't do this, at least spare us any more of your garbage.
--
Yigal Arens   "He seems like an average type of man.  He's not, like, smart.
USC/ISI        I'm not trying to bag on him or anything, but he has the same
arens@isi.edu  mentality I have -- and I'm in the eighth grade."     Vanessa
               Martinez, after VP Quayle's visit to her school-LA Times 5/21
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Radio Host Fired After Jewish Prote
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:39:30 GMT
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition

In article <1992Jul26.074312.7155@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
|>In article <1992Jul25.041112.7127@cs.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
|>writes:
|># In article 24456@cs.brown.edu, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
|>writes:

|># >a) And what does that have to do with Ben-Gurion?
|> 
|># Nothing.  There is no evidence that Ben-Gurion played any part in
|># the Lehi-Nazi matter or even that knew about it at the time.
|> 
|>	While I have absolutely no proof, I find it hard to believe that
|>the intelligence agencies of one of the allied countries did not know
|>about this and then relayed it to Ben-Gurion, unless these contacts
|>were little more than sporadic.

If the intelligence contacts knew of such a document wich is quite
likely since they could break the codes they would have supressed
knowlege of it. Remember that enigma was a secret to all but the workers
themselves and the very highest in the British cabinet. Even Stalin was
never told, none of the Cabint were ever told, DeGaule would not have
been told  if hell froze over. Churchill concocted fanciful explanations
for decisions based on the use of the enigma machine which otherwise
appeared to be counter to military logic. It is most unlikely that Ben
Gurion would have been told, simply to preserve the source.


|># >b) I remember reading the exact letter sent from Lehi to some Nazi
|>official
|># >   regarding this cooperation. It specificaly mentioned that the
|>cooperation
|># >   would involve moving the Jewish population of Europe to
|>Palestine. One
|> 
|># Please explain how moving Jews from Nazi-dominated Europe to
|>Nazi-dominated
|># Palestine would save them.  That is what was proposed.
|>
|>	The explanation has to do with what was known about Nazi
|>domination at the time, and about what kind of deal LEHI might have
|>been able to strike.  This seems fairly intuitive (Not that I am
|>defending LEHI's action here.  I condemn them, but the strength of
|>the
|>condemnation must be relative to what was known about the Nazis at
|>the
|>time).

After the Krystalnacht, Hitlers intentions, if not the scale on which he
was to carry them out were well known. Certainly there is enough to
support very serious charges against the members of LEHI and Shamir was
never a fit person to be head of any State, much less a Jewish one.


Phill 
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From: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Subject: Re: stones over the wall
Reply-To: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:09:49 GMT


In a previous article, bval@ilws61 (Valentine Bob) says:
>
>I don't believe the Palestinians are divided on whether to continue their
>struggle or not, this land is all they are going to have, its
>all they've got, and they want it.

You've forgotten the 75% of Palestine already under Arab control.
>
>So however imbalanced in weaponry and however imbalanced the losses in
>the struggle, the Palestinians will stay in it, and, eventually, the
>Israelis will tire of it as the U.S. did of VietNam. 

There's a significant difference.  We had no vital interest in Vietnam,
halfway around the world.
>
>One would hope that the ties that exist between the peoples of the region
>will be enough to motivate a peace and to swiftly mend wounds once peace
>has been agreed upon.

We should all only live so long.  Still, we should dream.
-- 
bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
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