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From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Getting going
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:44:38 GMT
Distribution: rec.juggling
Organization: Bellcore

In article <Bxyy03.40K@brunel.ac.uk>, ee89rfp@brunel.ac.uk (Robert F Partridge) writes:
|> Hello
|> Thought I would post one of the ways I use to learn new vastly more difficult
|> tricks! Other than just trying it, how about slowing the whole thing down?
|> 
|> If you use round balls (bags don't roll well enough) you can get used to the
|> look of a trick and what your hands should be doing by rolling balls on
|> an inclined board. Of course the board must be big enough so that the balls
|> don't roll off the edges. By changing the angle of the board you can change the
|> speed of the trick. As you get better, the board gets more vertical, until you
|> can do it without the help of the wood.
|> 
|> I used it to get the feel of juggling a neat 5 ball cascade before learning it.
|> It kind of teaches you when to throw to avoid collisions.
|> 
|> I generally kneel with one edge of the board in my lap and the other against a
|> wall. I've never heard of anyone else using this method so I guess I'm the 
|> only one fruity enough to try it!
|> 
|> Try it and see!
|> 
|> Robert.

This was advised a while back and many thought it was a good idea.
Also mentioned was practicing on a stage or some place that has a high
curtain.  By throwing against the curtain, you can concentrate more
on left-to-right accuracy since the normal tendancy to throw too far
forward when trying numbers is nullified by the curtain and the balls
(mostly) fall down at a consistent distance from you.

yraG
From: dsb@osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu (David S. Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Info about a Dayton fest?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:26:43 GMT
Organization: OSU Statistical Computing Laboratory
Distribution: na
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Does anyone know anything about the rumored jugging fest in Dayton?  At the
Bloomington fest, someone mentioned that there should be a fest around
Thanksgiving, but someone else said they were considering postponing it until
spring.  Does anyone have any more accurate info?  If it happens, I'd like to
be there, but Thanksgiving is Thursday and there's been no info.

Thanks a lot,

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From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Re: The Juggling Capital (according to Juggler's World)
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:23:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.141942.3999@software.org> marshall@software.org (Eric Marshall) writes:
...
>	It sounds like no one from Juggler's World has ever visited
>the store :-)  The Juggling Capital isn't strictly a juggling store.
>It's certainly a fine store to buy juggling equipment at and all,
>but they also sell non-juggling products.
>
>
>Eric Marshall                                 ~

  Eric, by any chance, would The Juggling Capital, being the eminently
fine juggling and non-juggling store we've heard it to be, yes, by any
stretch of the imagination, would it happen to sell boomerangs?  No
doubt the net is waiting to find out.

  Six months to go until the next Boom Trip Report.

  There are too many "Eric"s in this posting.
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:41:44 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.


I was holding back on this one because I'd always fancied saving this
music just incase I ever got a show together, but what the hell, share
and share alike.

If you can find the album, check out the track "An Easy Way" on "Show
of Hands" by Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists. IMHO it
would be absolutely perfect for a short (3 minute) artistic 3 ball
routine.

	Ab.
PS Has anybody out there actually heard of this album?

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: juggling music
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:08 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"


Please don't work up a juggling act using the Root beer rag now, since its 
been done before at least twice. As a competitions judge, I (and other
judge's) get an immediate negative reaction from hearing the same music
repeatedly. Sure, if you want to do contact juggling it's hard to keep from
ripping off moschen, but surely every juggler can at least have enough
independent creativity to choose their own music! Of course, if you're
not a performer and are just jamming, borrow anything you like.

I personally think many rag time tunes, especially if played slightly faster
than usual, are interesting to juggle to in part because of all the tempo
changes. Also, it's easy to juggle to frenetic music, but I'd like to see
routines based on simpler tunes that can highlight an entire style, rather than
individual tricks. An example is Jeff Mason's winning routine a few years ago.
I no longer have the patience to put together routines, but for years i've
felt that something beautiful could be done to Chicago's Color my World.

Arthur Lewbel    Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Angus Orde <A.Orde@leeds-poly.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Record Breakers
Encoding: 19 TEXT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:04:00 PST
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Via: courier (novell-smtp-gateway.leeds-poly.ac.uk); Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:05:45 GMT

>Its amazing the number of people who have told me about this and yet didnt
>think to video it for me  My understanding is that is was young Gatto
>doing endurance 7 clubs (2 mins) and 9 balls.  However I didnt see it so I
>cant confirm the times he did.  anyone with more info out there, or
>a recording or access to one ?  Could write to points of view!!!

I HAVE seen Antony Gatto doing 7 fireclubs on Record-Breakers. This was also 
apparently a record.

Cheers,

Angus
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From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: All about clubs and juggling them
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:10:53 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Prices of Beard Clubs in the UK are (from memory)

Beach L9-95
De-luxe L11-95
the others - around L15

	john N

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jelliw@nuge101.its.rpi.edu (William Brian Jellig)
Subject: Re: Xjuggle ftp?
Reply-To: jelliw@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:28:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.164336.26806@nynexst.com>, dtorok@nynexst.com (David Torok) writes:
|> Could someone point me to an FTP site for the Xjuggle program (for a Sun
|> Sparc) that was mentioned some time back? I cannot find the copy that I
|> had a number of months back!
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> -=$>Dave<$=-
|> 
|> -- 
|> David Torok, NYNEX Science & Technology, 914-644-2378 Fax: 914-644-2404
|> 500 Westchester Ave, White Plains, NY 10604  "torok@nynexst.com"  Juggle!

Yeah, I'd like to know where this is too! 
Thanx

no sig, just Bill
From: tka2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TOMER AMIT)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Juggling four
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:27:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I would like to thank all the people who sent me directions on how to juggle
four balls.  It is not as easy as it seems, but I will keep on practicing.
All of you were a lot of help,

Thanks again,

-Tom

p.s.  I believe that someone in my hall leaked about rec. juggling.  If you see
      a message from a Mike Tadesko (the guy I'm trying to surpass in
      juggling, you know the guy that laughed for a long time) of Lehigh U.,
      please do not send him directions of juggling four or give him any ideas
      of new tricks with three.
  
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Re: Music
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:27:57 GMT

In article <19NOV199213593622@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
>With all of the discussion about M. Menes and the Gizmo Guys use of the 
>Root Beer Rag by Billy Joel going on, What other songs do you folks 
>recommend using to juggle to in a show?
>
>If you identify a song that you feel may be more appropriate to a specific 
>prop then please identify it.  Also try to name the artist.
>
>Well folks, what songs do you think are good for juggling?
>
>Bruce

"Egyptian Reggae" (club passing)
"I'm a Little Airplane" (boomerang juggling)
"I Was Dancing in a Lesbian Bar" (stage balls)
- all by Jonathan Richman
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:55:27 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <19NOV199213593622@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
> With all of the discussion about M. Menes and the Gizmo Guys use of the 
> Root Beer Rag by Billy Joel going on, What other songs do you folks 
> recommend using to juggle to in a show?
> 
> If you identify a song that you feel may be more appropriate to a specific 
> prop then please identify it.  Also try to name the artist.
> 
> Well folks, what songs do you think are good for juggling?

 This isn't strictly in the context of a show, I guess (though it'd be
interesting to think about, I suppose. Hmm.) but the Ramones I've found are
very good as backing music to practise to -- the tempo's just about perfect for
the speed that I juggle at, and that helps a /lot/. 

 On a different note, how do people feel about having purely instrumental/vocal
pieces as backing music? I've seen very few people use anything with a voice
at all, and I was wondering why.
-- 
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m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: mason+@cs.cmu.edu (Matt Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Dynamics of Juggling
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:20:18 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


The best article I've seen is:

  B. Magnusson and B. Tiemann.  1989.  The physics of juggling.            
  The Physics Teacher, 8(27):584--588.                  

It addresses the ballistic phase of club juggling, constraints
arising from getting complete rotations, etc., but doesn't
address the interaction between hand and club in a detailed
way.  I haven't seen any real work on that.  I'm interested
in programming a robot to juggle clubs.  I don't know if it
has come to the attention of the net, but there is a small
group of roboticists who work on juggling.  I could post an
annotated bibliography if there is sufficient interest.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu
Subject: The Juggling Capital (according to Juggler's World)
Reply-To: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:51:05 GMT


Even "Juggler's World" calls it the only juggling store in the nation.
Are the others that you folks mentioned strictly juggling stores?

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		      President of The Meltz Inc
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From: cwilson@snarf.wpd.sgi.com (Chan Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling with a net
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:39:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: fddi-snarf.wpd.sgi.com


In article <By34Bx.2on@csn.org>, kellogg@teal.csn.org writes:
> I lost all my Zen balls while being a movie extra (the "Killer Angels", a
> Civil War movie out next summer on cable, look for me juggling in the
> background of a campfire sequence) Does anyone have the address for Zen
> balls, how much, and if I can get a discount. I relly admire the woman
> who make/sells them. They are squishy beanbag like dodecahedrons, filled
> with birdseed so they are environmentally cool. Highly recommended, and
> check out the cool fabric and colors! But I dont' have the address.


Zen Products
1715 Waller St.
San Francisco, CA 94117
415/387-4418
Ann Worth.


Usually $12 for 3.  Any large (>36) orders, she knocks it down to $10
for 3, I believe. 

--Chan
       Chan Wilson  ---  cwilson@sgi.com  ---  415/390-5006
	      Silicon Graphics, Inc.   Mountain View, CA
       -> The only stupid question is the one not asked. <-
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: New IJA Secretary/Treasurer
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:41:59 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: fe430710ad12e1c043c932b8c3e39657

In article <DkeBuB1w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> perry@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (perry) writes:
>
>Be advised that the new Secretary/Treasurer of the IJA is Richard Dingman 
>effective IMMEDIATELY!!
>
>Box 3707 Akron NO LONGER EXISTS.  An
>
>Any inquiries should be sent to Richard Dingman at P.O Box 218 Montague 
>Massachusetts  01351.  Phone (413) 367-9398 during regular business 
>hours.
>
>I guess if this message gets through, I'll read it tomorrow.  If 
>not..............
>

What happened to Tom Bennet?


-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
Newsgroups: rec.juggling,rec.juggling
From: allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Subject: Re: Challenge to Everyone (physics)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:14:33 -0800

Jack Boyce writes about juggling on an inclined plane:

>This has essentially been done before, by none other than Claude Shannon
>(the father of information theory, he's also a juggler on the side).  His
>scheme was to use an inclined air-hockey table.  The lower friction,
>as well as the fact that the objects don't have to spin, presumably
>results in more "realistic" trajectories.  It seems to me that the
>problem with these schemes is that the thing you're training your body
>to learn isn't strictly what you want to learn -- the objects are
>confined to a plane automatically, so you're not exercising that part
>of your brain which controls this.

I think the three main things that the beginning juggler has to learn are
(1) not to panic just because there's a ball in the air
(2) to wait after a high throw
(3) to throw from the middle to the outside to avoid collisions
all of which are still necessary to learn (the third even moreso) on the
inclined plane. The reason people have trouble staying in a plane is that
they are born with the instinct to avoid collisions, and don't realize 
they have to throw past where their hand wants to be.

>   1.  Juggling underwater (constant bouyancy force).  Adjust the
>       ball density to achieve different effective gravities.  The
>       problem here is comfort, as well as drag due to viscosity
>       (which needs to be substantially less than the force of gravity)

How about juggling under a high-pressure xenon-oxygen mix? 
								Allen K.
From: dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Correction on club prices
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:29:41 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

Just a small correction - the Beard Beach clubs are $29 in Adelaide, not 
$19. (Sorry to raise your hopes Sam :-)

(I saw a posting with the UK prices - at our current exchange rate, we're
not doing too badly, allowing for shipping costs etc).


-- 
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Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths, Adelaide Uni.
"Behind the lines, a face that glimmers. Still looking for a face that shines."
       - Heartland, The Sisters of Mercy
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:52:24 -0500 
From: Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: learning left and right
Distribution: rec

[interesting post by Terry Jones omitted]

This is an interesting topic, and one which is very important for anyone
puting in a lot of time learning hard tricks.  I think it's most useful
to think about when learning even numbers in the fountain pattern (each
hand independently juggling half the objects), where even a small
shortcut may save many many hours.

I remember reading about a university study of learning with each hand
(I'm pretty sure it was in Juggler's World) about a year ago.  The
researchers (who were not researching juggling in particular) reported
that people's weak hands improved even when they weren't being
exercised.  In other words, it is often sufficient to get good at a
trick with your strong hand, and let your brain translate it for your
weak hand!

In practice, I'd say that I agree with this, but of course some practice
is necessary to get that off hand going smoothly.  For example, I find
that when I first start attempting a large even number of objects a
comfortable progression would be:
practice right hand only
practice both hands on synch
practice left hand only
practice both hands off synch.

I definitely find it easier to attempt things on synch, which I can
sometimes get going even when my left isn't strong enough to do it off
synch.

So go ahead, be lazy, get good at a trick with your strong side first!
-Ben
From: marshall@software.org (Eric Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: The Juggling Capital (according to Juggler's World)
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: software.1992Nov19.141942.3999
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia

From article <1992Nov17.005105.1425@wam.umd.edu>, by mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu:
> 
> Even "Juggler's World" calls it the only juggling store in the nation.
> Are the others that you folks mentioned strictly juggling stores?

	It sounds like no one from Juggler's World has ever visited
the store :-)  The Juggling Capital isn't strictly a juggling store.
It's certainly a fine store to buy juggling equipment at and all,
but they also sell non-juggling products.


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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: casey@descartes (Jay W. Casey)
Subject: Re:Unicycling in Canada
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, Ind.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:42:23 GMT




>I think I may be able to get a Miyata via mail-order from California
>for around US$135 (plus an arm and a leg for UPS to Canada).  I think
>it's a 24" wheel.  Does anyone have anything good to say about a
>Miyata unicycle?  Or, better yet, can any suggest a better source for
>me?

I have a 24" miyata "deluxe" (chromed fork, alloy wheel) which I think 
is more than just adequate.  This I purchased from Tom Miller (The UNICYLE
FACTORY) for about $170.   The standard Miyata has a blue fork and runs for 
about $135.  I like my Miyata.  It has held up well as I learned new tricks.
(As a sidenote, Tom also makes unique unicycles of various sizes and shapes,
from 1' to 16' with wheels from about 1" to ?? ). 


>Oh, as an aside, (without opening up a can of worms) is it typical for
>people to learn on a 20" or 24" unicycle?  I just wanna sort of goof
>around on the thing.

When I was learning, I tried both the 20" and the 24".  Though I was told
that it would be easier to learn on a 20", I found the 24" to work better
for me. If you have the opportunity, try both before you purchase to see
which better suits you.  The reason that I purchased the 24" so was that 
from time to  time, weather permit, I can use it to get around campus.
(And it fits out of the way in a corner of the office when not in use.)
From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: IJA Secretary/Treasurer
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:59:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <5oZcuB6w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, perry@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (perry) writes...
>Just to clarify the numerous questions I have received regarding 
>yesterdays posting, ALL MAIL FOR THE IJA IS TO GO TO RICHARD DINGMAN,
>P.O.BOX 218, MONTAGUE MA 01351  Phone 1 413 367-9398.
> 
>This includes membership information, video orders, Los Vegas 
>registrations etc.
>Hope this helps. 
>Perry Rubenfeld



Really???  What happened to Dan Bennett???


--Brian Miller
miller@quiver.enet.dec.com    (don't use after Nov. 20)
bnm3550@cs.rit.edu
BAM3550@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: ragatzs@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (steven ragatz)
Subject: Re: four
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:04:41 GMT

tka2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TOMER AMIT) writes:

> p.s.  I believe that someone in my hall leaked about rec. juggling.  If you 
> see a message from a Mike Tadesko (the guy I'm trying to surpass in
> juggling, you know the guy that laughed for a long time) of Lehigh U.,
> please do not send him directions of juggling four or give him any ideas
> of new tricks with three.

	Well, I am completely appalled.  I have been contributing to this
newsgroup for several years.  I was actively involved in the juggling
listserver BEFORE rec.juggling was even created.  Tom has brought to my
attention  that some people on the net have certain ethical questions.  As
an older member, I believe that it my responsibility to emphasize the
philosophy behind rec.juggling to the newer members.  

	The credo, so to speak, is to aid in the learning process of juggling
in any way - to ANYONE!  We DO NOT practice discrimination towards our
fellow juggler.  We must strive to consider all equal.  Sex, religion, race
or number of bean bags juggled must not hinder this news groups purpose. 
We cannot grow if we submit to the simplistic and barbaric ways of
ignorance.  We must rise above petty bias and prejudice.

	I find this whole issue well timed.  It is no coincidence that this is
brought up on the eve of the release of Malcom X.  I think that we can all
learn something from the true-to-life biography of this great liberator.

	Tom, I must apologize, I cannot withhold information from Mike or
anyone and keep a clean conscience.  It is not simply an issue of pride but
one of Christian ethics.  I hope that you are able to understand and that
you and others on the net are able to see the point that I am making.

-	Steve

P.S.	Oh yeah, four balls.  Ill E-Mail you some stuff to your private
account that I have on learning four and five balls.  There are also some
really easy, KILLER three ball tricks that will make this Mike guy GREEN
with jealous, envy!!!  See ya