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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Riker Takes Command!
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:09:23 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

>Somehow, I don't think we'd find it easy to accept Mr. Gibson as captain of
>the Enterprise - perhaps even less than Jello- Jerk-o or whatever his name
>is.  What about that actor that played Remington Steele?  Or how about
>Sean Connery?  He played a fantastic ship's captain in the Hunt for Red
>October.  Or perhaps the Enterprise could deal with a female Captain...one
>with a firm hand on the bridge.  Is Rosanne Barr taking offers?  Can you
>imagine an exchange between her an Q?

I agree that Connery would be great in Star Trek, but I don't think
Paramount could afford to pay a multimillion dollar salary for a full
time role, and Connery has shown absolutely no interest in television
acting anyway.  Perhaps in a feature movie.

Actually, Mel Gibson is a quite versital actor (when not handed a
script written specifically for him) and could possibly pull off
a good captain.  However, same salary problems as with Connery, and
also shows no interest in television acting.

The reason (IMHO) paramount stuck with basically unknown actors is
to keep actors salaries at a reasonable level.  Face it, anyone who
makes a few million per picture isn't going to be interested in the
$10-$50k per episode that most TV stars make, on top of the greater
production pressures caused by tight TV schedules.  Furthermore, stars
bring with them expectations based on past roles.  Could you really
watch ST:TNG with Mel Gibson as captain without expecting him to
break out at any moment with a Three Stooges Trick, followed by
phaser fire and a lot of corpses?  Versital as he may be, the enigma
of Martin Riggs would stick with him, at least in my mind.  Same thing
goes for Connery, or any other big star.  Perhaps a feature film....

As for the guy that played R. Steele (what the hell is his name?) I
think he would be a poorer choice than promoting Riker or (Bog forbid)
even Counselor Troi to captain.Sorry, I don't think he could act,
and never did.

A female captain...now there's a neat idea.  It would have to be someone
very strong though, to take up Stewart's place.


-=Road Warrior=-
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From: cs_carol@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
Subject: Are TRILLs parasites or symbiotes?
Organization: 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:19:25 GMT

I have a problem with the TRILL. It seems to me that when a TRILL
inhabits a host's body, the TRILL personality takes over and the
host personality is lost (or supressed). This seems to happen in
the episode where Riker loans his body to Odan. And also, in DSN,
with Dax's flashback to the TRILLS transfer to its current host.

Is the TRILL a *parasite*? and if so, what about the rights of the
host? If the TRILL is a symbiote, what benefit is brought to the
host by the TRILL? In both the TNG episode and DSN episode, the 
final hosts seemed sentient. There is no evidence that the TRILL
personality and the host personality mix.

Am I the only one who is bothered by this?

carol miller
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From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Repeat of Relics was edited
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 17:28:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

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>In case you didn't notice, the recent airing of Relics was edited, in order
>to add another 30 second DS9 promo.  Because I failed to start a tape soon
>enough (I didn't need Relics, but remembered the possibility of another promo)
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>I don't know if anything was edited from the teaser.

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     Don't assume that all stations carrying ST:TNG are also carrying
     ST:DS9. In Colorado Springs, it is two different stations.
     Obviously, we had no 30 second DS9 promo in our Relics broadcast.
     In fact, here we have had very little DS9 advertising at all.
     
     Colorado Springs:
     ST:TNG - KRDO-TV (ABC Affiliate) Saturdays at 6:00pm
     ST:DS9 - KOAA-TV (NBC Affiliate) Fridays at 7:00pm
     
     -Brian
    
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From: men@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Matthew Newman)
Subject: Overnight ratings of DSN
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:01:23 GMT

From the department of hopelessly trivial information:

The ratings for the L.A. premiere showing of Deep Space Nine,
by the quarter hour, was:
19.7 (8 PM-8:15)
21.5 (8:15-8:30)
21.7 (etc.)
21.3
20.8
19.7
19.0
18.8
(I think these stand for percentage of households with T.V.)

So (not having seen the show yet), does this mean it got worse
in the second hour?  (Or are there just a lot of Roseanne fans?)
From: egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Arnold S. in ST:TNG?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:47:34 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
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Any more info on whether or not Arnold S. (I don't even want to try to
spell 
the last name) will appear in a ST:TNG episode?
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:19:57 GMT
Subject: Re: 4th Season on SKY One ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
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My brother's fiance worked for Sky for a while, and they only had the first 3
series last time I asked.  Looks like they bought it from the BBC, so I doubt
we'll see the newer stuff.
From: BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  )
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Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:08:41 GMT
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My vote for the ST7 movie title:


"Star Trek VII: The Planet of Shady Pines"

(If you don't catch or understand the Golden Girls reference, never mind.)

--Danny Barnes
From: cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
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Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:28:52 GMT
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Jorge DeLaCruz (jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil) wrote:
: In article <106498@bu.edu> cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
: 
:    What about the race Whoopie's character Ginen (don't know how to spell it),
:  she appears black to me.
: 
: 						Jorge

True enough, Guinan - although humanoid - is from a alien race {race name,
	unknown}.
Mac
From: rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)
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Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:35:18 GMT
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	Here is my $0.02 on Trill.  How about this: Trill evolved originally
	as a singular humanoid species.  Some where during their evolutation,
	they decide to seek methods of extending their life, and seperate
	the higher mental functions and memory from the rest of the body,
	the worm, from the rest of the body.  The worm portion can live
	for a long time, provided that a new body is used after the old one
	wears out.  Thus, this is somewhat like throwing old clothes after
	they are worn out.   
-- 
[ Rodrick Su           [ If at first you don't succeed, well, so much for    ]
[----------------------[ skydiving.                                          ]
[ rod@cats.ucsc.edu    ]------------------------[ ``Games of the Hangman''   ] 
[ rod@ucscb.ucsc.edu   ]------------------------[   Victor O'Reilly          ]
From: quinn@lclark.edu (Chris Quinn)
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Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:56:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan11.215641.3048
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <cboerm48.726600479@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
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Regarding the discussion of the Vulcan Captain:  If you listen to the voice 
and check out the makeup job, you will realize the Vulcan captain and the
guy from The First Duty are not the same.  Not only are they not the same
character, they are not the same actor.

Sorry to tell you all this,

the eskimo
From: scherrer@mtxinu.COM (Deborah Scherrer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: course of the Enterprise?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:13:34 GMT
Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley, CA

Recently we were making a 3-dimensional model of our galaxy to show
kids where our solar system lies, and where a few of the commonly
known stars and nebula are in relation to us.   Turns out that, with
a model about 14" in diameter, most of what we see with the naked
eye is within about 1/2" of our solar system.   

It would be great fun to show the kids how far the Enterprise has
claimed to have traveled.  Has anyone ever charted the various
"voyages of the Starship Enterprise" to get a feel for where it's
traveled in our galaxy?   Are all the names of stars they use for real,
or do they generate them just for the occasion?
-- 
Deborah Scherrer                                 scherrer@mtxinu.com
Mt Xinu, Inc.                               ..!uunet!mtxinu!scherrer
2560 Ninth Street
Berkeley, CA  94710                                     510-644-0146
From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
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Subject: This should read *** Spoilers **** Re: Q's rank ??
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:29:44 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

Spoilers








In article <930111.181919@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk> HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod)) writes:
>On an episode I saw recently (TNG) in which Q featured,
>(I don't remember the name though it starred a young lady also from the
>continuum) Q appeared on the enterprise in a starfleet uniform
>carrying five pips, what is this and how come he was so quickly
>demoted in a later scene where he has only four ??

First off, I haven't seen this episode yet! It's scheduled for me and 
a lot people in the states to be shown on Saturday. So...you should have 
put in the ****Spoilers**** warning.

Another thing, Q is not part of Starfleet and has no official 
rank as for as I know. So it doesn't matter how many pips he's got!

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: DS9: 'Emissary' *Spoliers*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:53:50 GMT

This I like.  It was almost painful to watch TNG right after the two wonderful
hours of DS9 this evening.
	Best Part: The entire atmosphere of non perkiness and light...an alien
consciousness that is truly alien and not TOTALLY Altruistic. I.E. not:
	"Oh we are beings of light...lets float about you and wow you with
our infinite Wisdom"  but "Who are you why are you bothering us and you are
an Idiot to think of linear time"

	Fave Chars: KIRA!!! Dax and Bashir.  Kira may seem to whiny but they
really need to demonstrate how forceful she is, and faced with that kind
of decision (particularly at the end with the surrender) I would be a little
whiny myself in a way...she plays a character who is under extreme stress and
who doesnt always handle it in the best way, but she never actually breaks
even when faced with destruction, but she comes close and that I like.
Dax is a good concept and was well played, she is matter of fact without being
emotionless...notice that she kept a cool head during the crisis but didnt
go all Spock on us.  The Women truly have arrived on Star Trek...they are
a far cry from banging heads with pots.

Bashir: another good concept, the guy is young and impetuous and relatvely 
angst free--I dont know why but he came off well in my estimation.

	Put this next to Farpoint and its like putting Star Wars next to
Battlestar Galactica,  this time they leave plenty of room for development.
The Bajorans continue to be intriguing and I hope the Kai is a semi-regular.
Dax and Odo each present interesting enigmas.  The station needs serious help
and has plenty of options there.  Not to mention the Wormhole...hell this
could probably run for quite a while even without the wormhole hanging out.

This is what I hoped for and more...lets just hope for quality writing, 
something which has been absent on TNG.  I do hope they keep the crossovers
to a minnimum Id hate to Soil DS9 by having Riker walking along the Promenade
the image is simply distasteful

-- 
"Salam and good evening to you sir.  Welcome to Agribah, land of mystery
of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
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Subject: Re: DS9 Uniforms
From: skuff@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:29:55 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan6.182601.18244@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
> I don't know if this has been discussed but if it has I missed it.
> Has anyone explained why the uniforms on DS9 are different that the 
> standard starfleet uniforms. I mean they are still starfleet officers
> aren't they? Please explain... thanks...
>  
> J. Michael Clark
> Ohio University
I'm guessing the producers wanted a different look for the new show. 
Just my opinion
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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Chief O'Brien
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:09:44 GMT

: Chief O'Brien...Doesn't this indicate rank (Chief Petty Officer)
: or is he just chief transporter officer?

  Well, last night I was watching the episode where O'Brien gets married
  to Keiko.  On his dress uniform he's wearing two solid pips of a full
  Lieutenant.

  However, watching O'Brien on DSN, as he is saying his goodbyes to Picard
  he's only wearing one pip on his uniform.  So, what's his rank?
  Officer?  Warrant Officer?  Chief Petty Officer?


 
-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first.
From: msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik Harish Shah)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:47:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfIBzDa00iV1M3B1sy
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



>The moment I saw the Vulcan captain on the Saratoga (sp?) my mind went
>crazy! I knew I had seen him somewhere, and I couldn't figure it out until
>practically the end of the show. Everytime he showed up, I got a little
>closer to figuring it out until it finally clicked... he was the guy
>seating next to the Admiral when Wesley was explain the "accident" at Star
>Fleet Academy!
> 
>Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
>Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
>were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
>was dead. Have I overlooked anything?
> 
>Alan Bick


Perhaps he had a twin?




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From: starride@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (David Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shuttle Craft Warp??
Date: 4 Jan 1993 03:47:32 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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mhampsch@boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch) writes:


>In Relics Scotty gets a shuttle craft to wander in.  Does it have warp abilities or is it going to take him forever and a year to get anywhere?


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	Limited warp of 2 from what I have been told. It is an interstellar 
version of shuttle craft.
From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Computer voices
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:39:43 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1993Jan7.222747.12260@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini) writes:

>In article <abick.726386921@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>>Did anyone else find it stupid that the Saratoga had the same computer
>>voice as the Enterprise? I remember that in the old series (namely Gary-7)
>>Kirk was annoyed with the "new" computer voice calling him "dear". Spock
>>said that it had been changed in a recent refit. If it is so easy to
>>change why would all ships have the same voice in TNG?
>>
>i just saw Gary-7 a couple of days ago and i don't remember this seen.
>are you sure about that?


I stand corrected, it was the OTHER old Earth episode the had. Where the
Enterprise picks up an Air Force pilot and they try to figure out how to
send him back and make sure that all evidence of the Big E presence is
destroyed. I forget the title. Sorry for the mix-up.

Alan Bick
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Acting
Summary: comment
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:51:39 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <C0D8ow.CIE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dbasinge@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger) writes:
> No Spoilers here
> 
> I'm just want to give MHO of the acting in ST:DS9
> 
> Avery Brooks (Sisko): Did a good acting job. A good choice for a
> commander in DS9.

I didn't much care for Sisko.  He didn't seem to have much backbone.  I'm
sure that that the Federation/Starfleet has grief counseling.  Why would
they allow him such a sensitive position if he wasn't totally -stuck for
the right word- sound?  I think he will develop into a great commander,
though.  I like the way he handled the entity in the wormhole.

> 
> Nana Visitor (Kira Nerys): She had a couple of good scenes, but had
> too many whining scenes (sorry if you consider that a spoiler).
> 
> Terry Farrell (Dax): Came off kinda air-headish too me. Would like to
> see her in a Troi outfit though.

I liked this character.  But why do we have to have another old soul?
Guinan on the Enterprise, and now Dax.  It must be some Star Fleet rule.
The token "Obi Wan", I guess.

> Colm Meaney (O'Brien): Came off as a bad version of Scotty. I think
> Colm will develope in the show.

I agree.  He's a good actor with a good character.  Colm sure gets around.
I saw him in Dr. Quinn the other night.  (The two parter)

> Armin Shimerman (Quark): I like his character, the first Ferengi that
> didn't bother me.
> 
> Cirroc Lofton (Jake): Finally a normal kid in space, not too smart or
> annoying. Let's hope the writing keep it this way.
> 
> Rene Auberjonois (Odo): Look acting, but I could here Clayton
> sometimes when he talked.

I heard Clayton, too.  The token "I'm the only one of my kind" alien.
Sniff, sniff -not!

> Siddig El Fadil (Doc Bashir):  Real, real annoying, IMHO. Wesley of
> the month club.

Definitely!  He's so wet behind the ears, he needs a towel.

> 
> Mike
> 

Just my commentary, tho.  There certainly were a lot of commercials.
Someone said -that caught the show from a satelite feed- that they thought
the music was boring.  I liked it, but I kept waiting for the lead-in part
"These are the voyages of...."

--Margaret


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:58:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <rawdon.726777321@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>From the standpoint of this argument, then, you are asserting that Riker
>turned down his fourth command offer (this one of "any ship in the fleet")
>off-camera?  Fine.

There's another possibility, as well.  Maybe Riker didn't formally
turn it down.  Maybe he just never made up his mind to accept.  
Commander Hamlet, if you will.

Should they have taken one minute out of every episode just to
say, "Well, Riker still hasn't mad up his mind yet."


>>If Picard had not returned, and Star Fleet offered Riker his choice
>>of commands, he would have picked the Enterprise.  Thus, he would not
>>have "refused his pick of the litter," thus Star Fleet would not have
>>that reason for refusing to give him the Enterprise.

>But instead, Picard returned and he "refused his pick of the litter" anyway?
>How is this different?  Or are you now asserting that he was NOT offered his
>choice of command?  Please make up your mind.

I am asserting that Star Fleet could not have known he would 
refuse his pick of the litter until he had refused it.  Thus,
that decision could not have influenced decisions Star Fleet
made earlier.

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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:38:35 GMT

From article <79387@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
> Even Kirk had a back door.  What would have happened if the wormhole hadn't
> opened up at that moment?  The station and everyone in it would have been
> destroyed.  And for what?  Nothing except the need for revenge of one woman.

	Wait a minute...it seemed to me that she was ready to surrender before
the wormhole opened up....anyone else get this impression?

 TTYL
 Chris

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: DSN: Meaning of "Celestial Temple" -- Spoilers 
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:01:31 GMT

Spoiler Alert...




A lot of people have posted saying that they don't get the thing about the
Celestial Temple that the Bajoran Priestess told Sisko about. Well, to me
it's obvious that their Celestial Temple is the wormhole itself, and Sisko
does indeed fulfill his "destiny" to discover it...


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