HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Insulting heads of foreign states
Keywords: spelling, potatoe, USA
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:04:07 GMT

Followups directed to alt.censorship,alt.society.civil-liberty

>But last Friday, somebody at the TU Delft told me that in the Netherlands,
>you can be punished with life-long imprisonment for insulting the head of
>a foreign state.

In, Finland, rikoslain 14 luvun 2, 4a and 5 $: Crimes against a
friendly state (my inaccurate interpretations/translations):

2 $: minimum two months, aximum three years or a fine for insulting
the honor (defamation?) of head of a friednly country

4 a $: with a printed object, writing, pictorial expression or other
means of expression or otherwise publicly and on purpose degrades a a
foreign state and causes a danger of Finnish relationships with that
country to get hurt, shall be punished by max two years in prison or
fine.

5 $: no prosecution for 1-4 $ unless the foreign state's government
asks for it or the president (of Finland) so orders.  no prosecution
for 4 a, unless the president (of Finland) so orders.

It is also illegal to publicly incite to crime, homosexuality, mutiny
etc., and to degrade the Finnish gvoernment, parliament or a public
official by spreading untrue information or even if they are true if
the way they are published or spread is probable to cause the
abovementioned effect.  I wonder if this posting qualifies.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.religion.misc
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Limiting Government's religious speech
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<m2jntc+.adamsr@netcom.com> <1992Sep12.194643.5094@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:32:38

Bill Stewart writes:
>Besides, what do you *expect* them to print on the money?
>        "It's real - trust us!"
>        "We're the government, and we're here to help you!"
>So of course they printed something to make themselves sound better
>than they were, and it sure beat "Not Worth A Continental"......

Hmm, let's see.  I have a Norwegian 1 krone coin on the desk here in
front of me.  Norway _has_ an established church, built right in to 
our constitution.

On the front, a picture of a crown, and the text: "1 KRONE.  1990.
K."  The K stands for Kongsberg, where the mint is.  No mention of
God there.

On the back, a picture of the King - except since it's from 1990
it's the dead King.  The text says: "OLAV V - ALT FOR NORGE."
The name of the King plus his motto, "Everything for Norway."
Nothing about God there.

A quick check of the other coins and bills in my wallet shows: no
"God" on those either.

So if a country which has an established church doesn't feel the need
to stick the word "God" onto its currency, why does a country
whose constitution specifically prohibits an established church?

What's wrong with the "other" motto, E Pluribus Unum?  

And while we're on the subject, why are all American bills the same
dull color anyway? ;-)

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

We're looking for a little, bewildered girl.


Newsgroups: alt.censorship,rec.music.misc,uiuc.civil-liberty
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: "Lake Forest calls cops on racy CD lyrics"
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:00:29 GMT

The Sept. 10, 1992 Chicago Tribune has a front page story about the
effort by the City of Lack Forest, Illinois to crack down on
offensive-to-some music.

The Mayor is quoted: "If they sell an obscene tape to somebody under
age, we will prosecute."

The article says that Naperville, Ill., last week adopted a resolution
opposing the sale of "offensive" recordings to minors.

From the article, I get the impression that the City equates the word
"obscene" with "offensive", "raunchy", "urging acts demening to women"
and "controversial", although their legal meanings are quite
different.

Mary Morello, head of the local Parents for Rock and Rap is quoted as
saying to the City Council: "Individual parents are responsible for
their own children. It isn't up to you to restrict other people's
freedom."

- Carl


--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands)
Subject: Re: Operation Rescue
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:59:20 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <AULTJ.92Sep1152939@caleb.rpi.edu> aultj@rpi.edu (Jim Ault) writes:
| 
|    harrassment of the clinic's customers. 
| 
| Harassment?  How many examples of this have you actually *seen* personally?
| I would say that the majority of these protests are peaceful, and not
| harassing at all.  However, many people on the pro-abortion side feel
| that even walking in front of someone with a sign is harassment.

I have been an escort at a clinic that was firebombed twice one summer.
Harassment is a polite word for the actions taken by the fundies -- assault
is closer to the experience.  If there hadn't been cops all over the place,
I am quite sure that felonious assault would have been the order of the
day.

   Fritz
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: fuck
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:41:45 GMT

    To the person who posted the f-word drivel and the racial slur:
 While I do not contest your right to post what you did, you'd make a
better arguement for free expression by posting something more substantive.
Please also be careful of baiting. You might catch more bargained for.
 
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.african.american,alt.activism,misc.legal,soc.culture.
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 17:41:05 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep6.174924.24233@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I have no idea what newsgroups this belongs in, but if someone else wants
>to edit the newsgroups line, you won't catch me complaining.
> 
>In article <1992Sep6.165813.16518@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep4.125020.27141@gdstech.grumman.com> david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles) writes:
>>>Nothing is absolute.
>>
>>So, by changing the perspective, everything can be made to look like
>>something else? Okay, to what is the color "red" relative?
>
>To a color-blind person?

No, to the relative velocity of the person observing the source of the
red light, and the source itself...

-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Operation Rescue
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:10:45 GMT

fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands) writes:

>I have been an escort at a clinic that was firebombed twice one summer.
>Harassment is a polite word for the actions taken by the fundies -- assault
>is closer to the experience.  If there hadn't been cops all over the place,
>I am quite sure that felonious assault would have been the order of the
>day.

Yes, but they're SAVING babies! Don't forget their saying: The Ends
Justify The Means!

MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances 
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.religion.misc
From: wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs)
Subject: Re: Limiting Government's religious speech
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Random Organization Name Generator
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:46:43 GMT
Keywords: Trusting God, or Caesar, or your money

In article <m2jntc+.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
]>If the U.S. government has the legal authority to put "In God We
]>Trust" on our money, then it also has the legal authority to put
]>"There is no 'God'" on our money.
]>I would prefer to live under a government without such authority.
]
]	So would I. But my second choice would be the one that prints "There
]is no God" on the money!

While the Soviet Union probably never printed it on their money, they did
print it in their schoolbooks, and made it illegal to teach kids otherwise -
even your own kids.  Probably not the sort of liberal tolerance you'd like.

Besides, what do you *expect* them to print on the money?
	"It's real - trust us!"
	"We're the government, and we're here to help you!"
So of course they printed something to make themselves sound better
than they were, and it sure beat "Not Worth A Continental"......
-- 

				Pray for peace;      Bill
#Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.ho.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# Any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced ...
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: fuck
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:51:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.180742.15453@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:


>[drivel deleted]
>       Something similar showed up in a bunch of other news.groups recently
>from the same source.  I would guess that Jeff Spangenberg is either:
>1) a dweeb with the emotional maturity of a 5-year-old or
>2) a very careless person who left his terminal unattended.
>       In either case, let's ignore it, shall we?

or 
3) someone that has never touched a computer before.
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Limiting religious speech
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:56:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <AULTJ.92Sep14180134@caleb.rpi.edu> aultj@rpi.edu (Jim Ault) writes:
>Why is it that many other groups across the country are engaged in civil
>disobedience of one form or another, and yet the only group against
>which courts place injunctions are pro-life people?

The pro-life movement is not engaged in civil disobedience.  Rather, Randall
Terry and many others are intentionally misusing this term in order to 
justify their actions.  They mimic the appearance of civil disobedience
in hopes gathering sympathy, but the actions come from an entirely
different philosophy.

Civil disobedience refers to intentionally violating a law which you
feel is unjust.  Example, if I feel that my taxes are unjust, refusing
to pay them is civil disobedience.  If I feel being drafted to fight
in a war I don't believe in is unjust, refusing to be drafted is
civil disobedience.  If I feel that a restriction which says that I cannot
eat in a restaurant because of my skin color is unjust, attempting to
eat in that restaurant is civil disobedience.

Pro-life activists are not disobeying a law which says that you HAVE to
have abortions, they are trying to A) prevent others from exercising
a right and B) make obtaining an abortion illegal.  Regardless of 
whether or not you agree with their actions, they are in no sense acts
of civil disobedience.  Referring to them as such is Randall Terry's
PR smoke screen.

>I mentioned this particular court case as an example of a judge who
>was doing so, and I could mention more, but I won't because I can tell
>that most readers of this group (at least those who have responded to
>my posts), don't care about pro-life people or Christians if they
>happen to experience censorship or other infringement of their rights.

On the contrary, I care a great deal.  But the fact is that it has become
common for many Christians to equate a refusal to be bound by extremist
Christian ethics as an assault on Christianity.  You may be able to
offer one example of a Christian minister who was unfairly silenced.
I question it, because you originally said that he was jailed for 
preaching in public, and now you are saying that he was jailed for
contempt of court.  But if he WAS jailed for expressing his views,
then it was wrong, definitely.  But the fact is, that I watch the
Christian Broadcasting Network a lot, and in one day I can see 10 calls
for the silencing of some unpopular view.  I believe that more threats
to free speech and religious freedom are coming FROM evengelical 
Christianity today than are directed TOWARDS it.

Joe


Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Subject: Re: server bug being misused (how is a bug SUPPOSED to be used?)
Organization: Doug's House of Disco
Distribution: global
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:38:14 GMT
X-Posted-From: dopey.cc.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep7.223842.29975@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> spencer@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (ForHire-Confidential) writes:

>Just happened to notice , but why, when someone is *(&)(*^&ing someone off
>like this, does the server *.santafe.edu come up ... is it a coincedence,
>or is it just me .... I thought those links were pulled?!

To be totally fair to Scott, he's probably not at all involved in this.
His links were not cut, but he just decided to 'get out' of the server
business.  He said he will keep the server 'for test purposes' ... apparantly
he is testing something.

This is not just a problem with this server, but with most < 2.7.2g.

To protect against it, you can always make the channel +i, or set up an
/on command to deop anybody opped by a server that has been abused.
(I don't advice making it deop on ANY server op, only on servers that have
been abused in the past.  It can get REAL nasty if not done right (like in
a net split, so I don't advise it unless you can make it smart enough to not
activate during a net split...))

If this doesn't work, you can just keep banning until you get most or all
of his user-id's ...

The only real solution is to eradicate the bug from all servers ... not 
something that's going to happen overnight.  And of course, servers can
be re-hacked to have other, similar bugs.  But that's IRC for ya ...

-- 
The opinions stated above are mine (and quite possibly mine alone!)  However,
 for a brief time, and a nominal fee, they can be yours too.  Operators are 
standing by! Call Now! DouG McLareN, dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, DemoN on IRC.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 17:04:15 CDT
From: Savita Sahgal <U46723@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Don't stone me, but...

Yeah please send me the above info.too if anyone knows.Thanks in advance.

-Savita sahgal.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: a8jb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (G. Youssef EE)
Subject: Re: String values for user@host ?
Keywords: bot 
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: World 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:37:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.001552.17777@njitgw.njit.edu> lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:

>	I have a small problem that only those of your obvious wisdom
> and compassion can solve. The problem is this:
>
>	Is there a $string that will expand to the person's user@host id ?

Yes there is, its $%USERHOST() (or $USERHOST() under pre5+).  This will only
work from an /ON command though. 

>	Or , better yet a $string that expands to user and another for @host ?

You can also use ON ^311 "*" /ASSIGN _user $1;/ASSIGN _host $2 to trap the
user@host when you execute a WHO <nick> command.  To do something like
that it is necessary to go into a bit more work.  You need to use a couple of
ON commands to trap the output of WHO and another to signal the end of 
the WHO command (eg. ON ^312 "*" /DO_END_OF_WHO_WORK). 

Wizard.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: IRC TELNET SITES WANTED
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:19:40 GMT

astewart@nyx.cs.du.edu (ANGUS STEWART) writes:
: 
: Loking for sites where I can telnet to and use irc without having an an
: account there, or somewhere I can get an account for free, which supports
: IRC.Sites in Britain or Europe would be preferable.Thanks in
: advance(please e-mail replies).

Telnet to port 6668 on ircserver.itc.univie.ac.at
Preferable if you have fast connection to EASINet.

								Tom
From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:46:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	I have a very similar tale to tell.  I recently became and IRC
 operator (but I am still mostly human). I went to #twilight_zone to ask a 
 simple question about #HACK warnings.  Now of the 3 people who answered me,
 I got 2 stupid responses and one good one. One of the responses was a command
 whoi would have auto-killed me apon receiving a HACK, and this is from someone
 who is responisble for the entire US IRC routing. The other suggestion was to 
 SQUIT the server of the HACKing person. Now, I understand having some fun,
 hell when I have spare time I enjoy fooling around. BUT , when someone asks me
 a question about something I know (especially if the question is asked nicely,
 which mine was) I get serious and try to help the person out. The majority of
 folks in #twilight_zone are so deep in their own superiority over other mere
 _HUMAN_ IRC people that they love to be arrogant little gods.

	Old time IRC operators: Believe it or not you are not gods. Just 
 becuase we all can not write a new server code does not mean we exist to be
 played with.  Your attitude is yet another reason why IRC is starting its
 fast decline to hell.  Grow up and act like human beings.

  (this is not directed at all IRC operators. There are some good ones left.
    TRILLIAN, STAHLE ,WIZARD, JUMPJOE, CRAHN and CYBERMAGE  leap to mine and 
    a FEW others.) 

		New IRC operator(but do not hold it against me)
			Silek.


-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D)
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:04:59 GMT

lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:

>>I was wondering the same...except for trillian...who ARE these people? :))

>	Maybe the fact that you do not know them just shows how little
> you help people on irc. Those people I named because I had either been 
> helped, or seen them help numerous people.  Those IRC operators help to

Errrr...maybe im wrong here but. What has that got to do with me not 
knowing them. (come to think of it..ive seen Jumpjoe) They never helped
me..so how can I know? Use those 2 braincells! You are saying then
that cause they help people , they are supposed to be heros and all
well known and stuff. Hmmm...

> preserve the integrity if IRC, and help to eduacte the average IRC user.
> Unlike all those other ops who just sit in #twilight_zone like some kind

EEwww.... look at the size of that generalization (cant help being a starwars fan :)  Its (l)users like you that give irc-ops a bad name. Why do people
always come to whine on this group. sheesh. You dont even know me
(or probably 75% of TZ) Maybe you should go to #eu-opers once.
We almost always try and help people with questions there. And they are
all irc-ops too! What do you want? a list of all people ive helped?
Cause I have never helped you..doesnt mean I never help people. 
It seems YOU seem to think yer a god. That every irc-op has to
jump up and help you just cause you say so. Grrrrr...
No one is getting paid for this! everyone is doing this for free.
(not counting those that irc while working..they might actually get paid
to irc :)) If you are willing to pay me...i'll answer any question
I can..until then...i'll try and answer questions..but if I dont feel
like it..TOUGH LUCK! 

> of Gods that sit above in shadow and only speak long enough to act 
> arrogant.

gawd...look at yourself...you're the arrogant one here.

> (this excludes server/client coders, since they do do a boat load of work)

>		

>-- 
>         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
>         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.

NExt time...first eliminate all possible irc-ops before you go
drooling your truth on this group. 
-- 
|bosman@fwi.uva.nl_   //     | Honest Officer , had I known my health      |
|-----------------\\ //AMIGA | stood in jeopardy I would never had lit one.|
|  PE no.1         \\/       |             -MAXIM (of the Hells Angels)-   |
|__________ Quickly Scotty,beam me up.There is no ox..y..ge..._____________|
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:39:39 GMT

Stephen> == Stephen A Chaney <chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu> 

[...]

 Stephen> I went and POLITELY (read: NICELY WITHOUT BEING UGLY) asked
 Stephen> about this problem, and I got this from #twilight_zone:

[...]

I dunno about #hack, but #Twilight_Zone people tend to get irritated
answering every little question. "How can I compile <insert name of
program that usually has nothing to do with irc here>?" "How can I fix
it so that I can run my ircIIbot?" "so and so took my nick, how can I
get it back?", etc.

I'm not saying #Twilight_Zone'rs won't answer questions. It's just that
after 6,000,000 worthless questions a day, #T_Z'ers can be just a little
irritated. Give us a chance, we're human, we get angry just as much as
the next person. Although we try to answer questions to the best of our
ability, sometimes it's impossible (I've had people ask me how to dial
into their local computer network! As if I'd know!)

#Twilight_Zone'rs will help with general questions, but sometimes
questions like "how do I setup my VMS client?" can't be answered (mostly
because VMS people aren't around all the time) and other ones (like the
script one you mentioned).

If you're having ircII problems, try mailing the ircII mailing list
(info-ircii+@andrew.cmu.edu).

--Helen

--
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Electronic Frontier Foundation   	irc operators: operlist@eff.org
Systems and Networks Administration	Flames to: 
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From: Tazzie@cup.portal.com (Jon S Novak)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: IRC TELNET SITES WANTED
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 92 15:23:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I would be interested in any IRC sights I could Telnet to also!
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.144207.5660@news.iastate.edu> jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson) writes:
>Boy, unless you know something the rest of us dont, you CANT write a bot in VMS
>because you dont have the load command.....
>Sorry, but you need to find a U*IX account or something to start up a bot.
>Also, you dont have any /on commands in VMS, and a bot without /on commmands
>is pretty worthless.

The first irc bots predate IRC II and were not implemented using /on
commands. A bot using the raw interface can be written on VMS about as
easily as Unix (modulo all the bugs in VMS C... but I'd do it in
VMS FORTRAN, natch.)