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From: bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Brett Bobley)
Subject: Re: 24 Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:10:24 GMT

You are quite right.  Chief O'Brien, for example, is enlisted.

In today's military (specifically the Navy), there are 
essentially three categories of rank:  

1) enlisted people would start as a SeaMan and work up thru
the ranks to Petty Officer, Chief Petty Office (like O'Brien),
Senior Chief Petty Officer and Master Chief Petty Officer.

2) Warrant officers:  an enlisted person who scores very well
on a test can become a Warrant officer.  He can then work his
way up to Chief Warrant Officer level 4.

3) Commissioned Officers.  These people either graduated from 
the Academy or went to Officer Candidate School (therefore,
enlisted people with a college degree can try to get into 
OCS to become officers).  This includes ranks from Ensign up
to Admiral.

Brett
bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:45:23 EST
From: Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Command Order Question:
 <ewright.726425554@convex.convex.com> <AfIC4wO00iV183B6t6@andrew.cmu.edu>

In article <AfIC4wO00iV183B6t6@andrew.cmu.edu>, msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik
Harish Shah) says:
>
>In ST:TMP, What-his-face (Name escapes me, but the guy who was captain
>of the ship beforre Kirk comes and takes it from him) is demoted from
>Captain to Executive Officer? Where does that fit in the scheme of
>things?

  Just watched that last night myself.  For some reason, Kirk took a temporary
grade reduction from Admiral to Captain.  For the same unknown reason, he de-
moted Will Decker to Commander  I guess "back then" they couldn't have two
acting Captains on the ship. (Probably confuse the computer!) ;-))  Could you
imagine...

  Spock:  Computer, who is in command of this vessel?

  Computer:  This vessel is under the command of Captain James T. Kirk...er, uh
             Captain William Decker????  Sorry MISTER Spock, but neither of
             them has shook me down yet...  ;-))

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From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Originator: jawiles@c00058-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:09:10 GMT



One sip: Every time the Trill (ZAX) is TRANSPORTED.
	 O'Brien refers to the ENTERPRISE.
	 Any time sparks fly from a console or system aboard the station.
	 
Two sips: Major tells quark to "get his hand off her <whatever> or she will 
	       break it.
	  The doctor discusses "frontier medicine" or brags about his starfleet
	       past.

Whole Beer: A member of the ENTERPRISE makes a guest appearance :)

              *      .      .       .     . .   .       .
 .  /===\     . Where no man has putzed before  .    /===\
   |  #  |  .    .        .  .    .       *      .  |  #  |
 . |  #  |    .     . *        .     .      .   .   |  #  |
    \___/ .  .    .     _____/O\_____   .     .     .\___/
   .   \\ .  ___/=============================\___    // .
   /====================================================\
 {_______________________________________________________}.
 .\_____________________________________________________/
.       .     \\   \jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu/   // .      .
      .    .    \\       . \ ___ /   .     //     *      .
  ..      .       \\      .  \O/   .     //          .
        *     .  .  \\     . | |     .  //    .  :
 * .      .    .    . \\     | |      //          .    *
     .          .      \\   | _ |   //  .    *
  .     .           . . \\/       \// .        .    .    .
           .          .  |   (O)   |         .    .   .
    .       .     .       \       /     .  .    .     .
           .           .    \ _ /     *   *   .         .

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Dax is too thin!
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:24:50 GMT

In article <C0qtLG.JGv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jereese@silver.ucs.indiana
edu (jean reese) writes:
>>>She is just too thin. There no room for this slug in her and 
>>>internal organs at the same time. And why do they keep changing
>>>sex when they change hosts?.  
>>
>>If the humanoid half of the Trill have evolved to hold that slug in
>>their bodies then she probably has a convenient little cavity in her
>>abdomen.  Also, I noticed that the slug they showed in the DS9
>>premiere was much smaller than the one in "The Host" (as least from
>>memory).  Maybe TPTB thought of how it would fit in her body, too.
>
>The symbiont (sp) from DS9 is definitely smaller than the one from
>"The Host." I was very surprised when I saw that, because it's such
>an obvious size difference that is easily checkable.
>
>Jean
>
>
>>
>>Besides, I like her abdomen just the way it is. ;)
>>-- 
>>-----------------Greg-Harp----------------harp@netcom.com--------------
---
>>  "I think I've reached that point / Where every word that you write /
>>  Of every blood dark sea / And every soul black night / And every drea

>>  you dream me in / And every perfect free from sin / And burning eyes 

>>  And hearts on fire / Are just the same old song" -- The Cure
>
>
>-- 
>	"It is my view that the  vegetarian manner  of living by its 
>	purely physical effect on the  human temperament  would most 
>	beneficially influence the lot of mankind." - Albert Einstein
>	++++++++++++++++jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu+++++++++++++++


Hmmm, perhaps it might be a different RACE of Trill, then, eh?
(q.v. the chain about "black" aliens also in this newsgroup)

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From: zimm@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Laurie Zimmerman, HHMI, Univ. of Pa.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Worf *sigh*
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:13:52 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Dec21.162330.16644@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
> 
> Worf used to be one of my favorite characters, and at times he still is,
> but... 
> At least he beat up the Cardassian during the raid, and he told a phaser hit
> square on and was still able to move. - Chuck



I'd still do him in a second!



peanut
genetics at penn
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From: hackney@moxie.hou.tx.us (Greg Hackney)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Home
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:30:51 GMT

cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
> how do you know that DS9 is what the people 
> involved use?

Coming out of the wormhole, Sisko radioed to the station with
the call letters: DS9
From: dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 and TNG pulling punches
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:25:06 GMT
Organization: Stellar Enterprises
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After watching the newest DS9 and the all together wonderful space battle
effects at the begining... I have began to really notice what it is abut
the show that bugs me (oh god, not another random bitch) Anyways - I've
notice that the script writers do much to build up tension... But they
always seem to have the climax seem to be sort of a let down.  

Takle for instance Emmisary... the Cardasians are firing on Federation
citizens on that base. They would have blown the shuttle to hell when It
came back through with their missing cruiser, and then taken the station.
The situation had no really logical explaination for cessesion of
hostilities, as they had already created the incident... and were just
mucking about. And if I seem to remember, I've always thought the Cards had
the military potential against the Fed of that of a rabbit. So I kept
expecting the station to get its ass kicked, and then the Cards get their
butts blown away by the battle section of the enterprise (no saucer -
saucer in battle always seems stupid)
Then they outfit the bloody station appropriately. But no, they wimped out
of a huge climax as usually. Kinda like Khan deciding he was spiritually
wrong and turning over genisis in STII. Humm... maybe the writers need to
learn what fans seem to love... think about it. What are your favorite
episodes. Make Sci Fi be SCIFI god damn it. that's all... dismissed.

_______________________________________________________________
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From: greer@euphoria.xis.xerox.com (Greer Tan Swiston)
Subject: Re: DS9:Emissary inconsitencies
Organization: Xerox Imaging Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:54:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.220534.23675@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:

>A short while afterwards there is a bit of dialogue where O'Brien
>says that he has managed to shield critical points but not the
>whole station.  Major Kira then evacuates people to the "more
>secure" locations.
>
>I would say that when she first asks there were no shields.  Then
>he emulates Scotty and rigs up some partial juryrigs.

I would say it is quite clear that O'Brien will be doing a lot of
Scotty emulating.  He's got the accent, developing the chin ...  and
that little snide about "Computer, you and I are going to have to have
a little talk ..." and the scene where he kicks the controls ... was
very much of the the old Star Trek Engineer who gets personal and
intimate with his machines and can therefore coax (demand) miracles
from it ...  sort of thing.

Scotty was one of my favorite characters ... it'd be fun to have a
little bit of fun with O'Brien.  He's seems up to the challenge.
Though his fiddling with the panel was a bit hokey ...



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From: elkins@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Rob Elkins)
Subject: Re: DS9 in Philadelphia
Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:04:01 GMT

lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz) writes:

>Okay, we just got the premier, and it was nice, but they never said when it
>would be showing on a weekly basis.  Anyone know?

I heard the show starts on the 18th (8-9) on fox 29.

-- 
Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not an <insert occupation here>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:14:35 EST
From: Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Who played "Jennifer"?
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan7.224749.3384@bogart.uucp>, cjaeger@bogart.uucp (Cecilia
Jaeger) says:
>
>Hi,
>        As the subject says, I'd like to know who played Jennifer on
>Deep Space Nine. She was Sisko's "deceased" wife.  I believe she is
>an actress from "Days of Our Lives". But I missed her name in the
>credits. Did anyone get it?
>
>                        Thanks
>
>                        Ceci

  The credits list her name as Felicia M. Bell.  I thought she looked familiar.
She's also GORGEOUS!!!!


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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9:Emissary inconsitencies
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:04:06 GMT
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In <1ihda8INNdak@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com writes:

> ** SPOILERS AHEAD **
> 
> 
> 
> In article <1iftfpINNenc@willow-farm.cit.cornell.edu> mss1@cornell.edu (Michael Scott Shappe) writes:
> >In article <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu> Matthew Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
> >writes:
> >>Question:  O'Brien indicates that DS9 has no shields.  Later, we
> >>hear that shields are failing.  What gives?  Did O'Brien rig something
> >>up in five minutes?
> >
> >O'Brien was...exaggerating. Remember that they used the deflector grid
> >for their little subspace-field-changing-the-gravitational-constant-of-
> >the-universe trick to move the station. So they've got one...but it's not
> >in good shape...
> 
> I didn't see it that way.
> 
> First of all, deflectors are *not* the same thing as shields, although
> they're closely related.
> 
> What I think is that Miles simply hadn't *found* everything yet.  He had
> only been on the station for a short time (hours? days?).  The equipment
> was Cardassian built and much of it had been trashed during the Cardassian
> "farewell party".  He probably had to throw together a quick patch or
> two after Kira or someone pointed out the shield controls to him (which
> were probably nearby but not quite where Miles expected to find them).

  Gang, you're forgetting something.  Kira asked for shields, and O'Brien says
"What shields?"  The Cardassian demands surrender.  Kira asks for a day, gets
an hour.  Later, as the hour winds up, O'Brien informs her that he had put
together limited shielding over vital areas of the station.

  So, there wasn't an inconsistency, Miles didn't "just throw it together" or
have someone show where the controls were.  He got the old ones working in the
one hour grace period.  Voila!


semper fi,

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Shuttle craft on DS9
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:04:44 EST

 -=> Scott Streeter babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-
 
 SS> I got the impression it wasn't a shuttle, but a fully capable warp
 SS> driven ship. Notice how it had large warp engines on it, that look
 SS> like the Enterprise engines. Not like the shuttles. Do shuttles even
 SS> have warp power, or impulse, or both?

I believe shuttles do have warp power.  The shuttles in DS9 are called 
Runabouts and have warp 4.7 capabilities.


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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:44:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

>> 
> Excuse me, but I *haven't* seen "The Host" (or much of the last three
> seasons
> of TNG), and I'm really puzzled about Dax. Is someone willing to pass on a
> short
> primer? I found myself very annoyed during the flashback sequence, when I
> realized that there were TWO intelligent beings inhabiting one body, and
> Sisko
> addressed them as one. Very un-Federation like. What's the deal here?
> 
> curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov                  Will design spacecraft for food.

The Trill seems to be the name for the two things together, the worm and
the host.  They live symbiotically, and it is completely voluntarily on
both the worm's and the host's parts.  When the worm is implanted, it
completely takes over the body, making the host's consciousness dormant,
or at least not visible to us.
There is an added side effect to this joined existence.  Trill's cannot
use transporters ever, for it damages the symbiotic link between the two,
killing both.  

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 09:47:00 EST

>2) From the viewpoint of the production staff; Stewart wants to expand his
>  acting ability in other venues but still wants to keep his hand in Star Trek
>  This scenario allows him to *star* in a half dozen or so episodes while
>  freeing up his time to do other things. It also lets Frakes to continue
>  with the show. Without a promotion the believability of his character is
>  becoming precarious. The writers also need to be able to develope their
>  characters by having them face greater responsibilities and challenges as
>  do real life people.
>
>Anyway just my idea on how TNG can solve some of it's developmental problems
>if the show is to continue through seasons 7 & 8.
>
>paul m.
>
Another solution is to broaden the venue of ST:TNG to include more starships
than just the Enterprise.  Let Picard remain captain of the Big E and promote
Riker to captain another ship (and bring some of the crew with him).  Then
Stewart can be in the shows that feature the E and Frakes can be in the rest.
Riker's ship could have a different mission than the E, perhaps on the
fringe of the galaxy and dealing with more varied and, maybe, more dangerous
species and interacting occasionally with DS9.
From: BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stolen From Outer Limits?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:58:39 GMT
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In <1993Jan11.045305.27553@netcom.com> rrunnern@netcom.com writes:

> Wolf-359, where the Borg battle was fought, just happens to be the
> title of an OUTER LIMITS episode (playing tonight on PBS chan 54 in
> the SF. Bay Area.)
> 
> -- 
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Wolf-359 is an actual star, the 3rd closest to our Sun, after Alpha Centauri
and Barnard's Star.  It's 7.6 light-years from our Solar System.  Check an
astronomy guide!
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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Re: DS9 Uniforms
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:16:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.182601.18244@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:

>I don't know if this has been discussed but if it has I missed it.
>Has anyone explained why the uniforms on DS9 are different that the 
>standard starfleet uniforms. I mean they are still starfleet officers
>aren't they? Please explain... thanks...
> 
>J. Michael Clark
>Ohio University

StarFleet is only administering the station; lots of the personnel are 
Bejoran (or Ferengi) and are NOT in StarFleet.  Both the first officer and 
Odo have similar uniforms, with a similar insignia. The fact that they are 
not StarFleet (according to USA Today) allows the writers to create 
interpersonal conflict without breaking Roddenberry's rule about no 
conflicts between SF members.

For what it's worth,

John
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:20:29 GMT
Subject: Re: DSN musings
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

On the big E O'Brien has always been refered to as Chief.  This is a non-com
position in the military.  Thus, I think he is a non-comm officer.  His
single pip tends to support this.


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:54:12 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1993Jan4.153226.15636@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:

>I was under the impression that Babylon 5 wasn't a series but a TV movie.
>Can anyone confirm or deny this?

TV Guide agrees with you.

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