HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Hair etc.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr02.163410.2689@demon.co.uk> Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:
>...what is the function of hair - long hair...
>
>... to act as a way of distributing the body scents?
>
>If so combing it will bring out all the nice new fresh ones.
>
>I don't think the association of hair and sex magic is a coincidence
>either: I think you don't need to look much beyond pheronomes (have I
>got that right?) for the link....
>
>Maybe hair also plays some further role in subliminal communication
>as well.


There's at least a bezillion theories as to why we still have
body hair in places like our armpits and nether regions.  The
pheromone bit plays a large part in these.

There are also a bunch of theories with which I disgree about
why we have such prolifically-growing head hair.  Lots of (male)
anthropologists say it's *SEXUAL*.  (5th century Chinese men probably
said the same thing about deformed feet, and anthropologists
who should know better nowadays have said that about breasts(!) if you
can believe it!)  The ACTUAL answer (I'm not humble about this one) is
far more obvious.

Have you ever seen a bald man after he's done jogging?  The air above
his head is actually WAVERING from loss of heat.  There are just tons of
little veins and arteries all over your scalp; that's why scalp wounds
bleed like pigs.  And when there are that many blood vessels that close
to the surface, they give off a lot of heat.  Bald men and men losing
their hair have to wear hats even when it's not too cold out back home,
because they lose so much body heat when it's even just nippy, more if
there's a breeze.  Head hair acts as an insulation from loss of body
heat from the head, the part of the body most fully and reliably
supplied with LOTS AND LOTS of blood, aside of course from the heart,
which is buried deeply enough in the body for heat loss not to be a
problem.  

It isn't really needed for trapping body odors; your head just doesn't
stink as much as the other hairy bits do.  It also grows MUCH more
prolifically, and doesn't stop at a relatively fixed length like other
body hair does (I KNOW it keeps on growing, but it does do so slowly).

Sounds good to me!

Blessings,
Janis
From: nausicaa@hrnowl.lonestar.org (Nausicaa)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Torak History
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 92 22:45:05 CST
Organization: Horned Owl BBS, Houston Texas.

wb9tow@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie) writes:

> I had the pleasure of finding something "almost" acceptable for my children t
> watch on television, a movie called "TROLL". While a victim of Hollywood
> sensationlism, it did provide some entertainment for us less the blood and 
> terror of a 1950's western. 
> Does anyone have knowledge of a version of the conflict between the fairy 
> kingdom and mankind that would be suitable for children under 10? Or adults?
> Naturally, my son Talon and daughter Gwendellyn Elendil have head the Hobbit!
> What Witch child's life would be complete without hearing of Bilbo?
> Thank you for all the help....bright blessings
> 						Steve

I'm not too certain of films since I really don't watch them anymore...but 
some books that I read around that age which involved the fey are such as 
The Wizard Children of Finn and it's sequel....
I would list more, but they seem to have slipped my mind..
 
Nausicaa
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Sacrifice
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:35:36 GMT

shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett) writes:

[I have deleted most of Shava's note because I agree with it.  If you missed
it, it might be worth while back-tracking to find it.]

>My theory of the word is that since christianity doesn't have any tradition
>of sacrifice -- once god gave the sacrifice of his only son, any other 
>sacrifice is unnecessary, etc... -- the phrase "pagan sacrifice" to describe
>other religious traditions gradually got shortened to just "sacrifice."
>Since the focus of christian contempt for pagan sacrifice centered around
>blood sacrifice, then sacrifice became doubly associated with "ikky" 
>sacrifices.

Shava, you blew it on this one.  Much of the ugly thinking around sacrifice
in our culture is because Christianity, in the Roman form (which is the form
which shaped our culture, and continues to permeate much of our thinking, just
by habit), is *very* focused on sacrifice.  The Roman Church uses the language,
"the sacrifice of the Mass" constantly.  (The Eastern Orthodox are not as
Crucifixion focused--but all of Western Christianity is informed by the Roman
tradition, not the Orthodox.)  This is where the sacrifice concept got so
bloody--all those people staring at images of bleeding bodies for centuries.
(It is ironic that I write this on the Western Good Friday, the one day of the
year when I consider crucifixes appropriate.)  Even though many of the
Protestant churches switched to bare crosses, they still had the sense that
sacrifice was some godawful thing which had to equal the torment of that poor
rabbi on the cross.

Everything else which you said in the post I agree with. (As usual!)

Love, 

Bran

From: ijd@otter.hpl.hp.com (Ian_J Dickinson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:01:22 GMT
Subject: References sought: Robin Hood
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

Does anyone have any references to the Robin Hood myth: ie pointers to
folklore, historical analysis or fictional retellings?  I would also be
interested in cross-pointers to green man / Jack-in-the-Green sources as
well.

Thanks in advance,
Ian


|Ian Dickinson    HP Labs Bristol (Knowledge Based Programming Dept)   England|
|Email: ijd@hplb.hpl.hp.com    | Enough if something from our hands have power|
|   These opinions are mine,   | To live and act and serve the future hour    |
|  and not (necessarily) HP's  |                                 - Wordsworth |
From: cortese@sloth.eng.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Hair etc.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:33:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr02.163410.2689@demon.co.uk> Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:
>...what is the function of hair - long hair...
>
>... to act as a way of distributing the body scents?
>
>If so combing it will bring out all the nice new fresh ones.
>
>I don't think the association of hair and sex magic is a coincidence
>either: I think you don't need to look much beyond pheronomes (have I
>got that right?) for the link....
>
>Maybe hair also plays some further role in subliminal communication
>as well.


There's at least a bezillion theories as to why we still have
body hair in places like our armpits and nether regions.  The
pheromone bit plays a large part in these.

There are also a bunch of theories with which I disgree about
why we have such prolifically-growing head hair.  Lots of (male)
anthropologists say it's *SEXUAL*.  (5th century Chinese men probably
said the same thing about deformed feet, and anthropologists
who should know better nowadays have said that about breasts(!) if you
can believe it!)  The ACTUAL answer (I'm not humble about this one) is
far more obvious.

Have you ever seen a bald man after he's done jogging?  The air above
his head is actually WAVERING from loss of heat.  There are just tons of
little veins and arteries all over your scalp; that's why scalp wounds
bleed like pigs.  And when there are that many blood vessels that close
to the surface, they give off a lot of heat.  Bald men and men losing
their hair have to wear hats even when it's not too cold out back home,
because they lose so much body heat when it's even just nippy, more if
there's a breeze.  Head hair acts as an insulation from loss of body
heat from the head, the part of the body most fully and reliably
supplied with LOTS AND LOTS of blood, aside of course from the heart,
which is buried deeply enough in the body for heat loss not to be a
problem.  

It isn't really needed for trapping body odors; your head just doesn't
stink as much as the other hairy bits do.  It also grows MUCH more
prolifically, and doesn't stop at a relatively fixed length like other
body hair does (I KNOW it keeps on growing, but it does do so slowly).

Sounds good to me!

Blessings,
Janis
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: More on the alt.pagan survey
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:30:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BMnpz2.8nx
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA


I'd be happy to answer your survey if I could, but I'm just tuning in and 
missed its posting. Pardon me if I offend, but could you repost or mail it to
me? Thanks.


=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Marty Hale-Evans            marty@world.std.com             JKRS85C on PRODIGY
"Walking to school this morning I worshipped all things. You might say that's 
warped! Did I just forget about pollution, prejudice, and how there's people in
a war?????????? Excuse me but I know that! Can I help it if right this second
I get something incredible?"     -- Maybonne
From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Psychic Hotlines
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:09:33 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr5.192348.16233@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, amy young <alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> In article <2APR199220282659@ducvax.auburn.edu> cpearson@ducvax.auburn.edu (MISTYEYES) writes:
> 
>>I doesnt offend me at all, I do believe that psychics exist,
>>e-mail me for more on that, but I feel awful that people who
>>really need good advice for their money right now, are getting
>>duped by these lines.. *sigh*  its a sad situation..
>>
>>
>>With Blessings...
>>Colleen
> 
> I believe they exist as well (and know a few!) but these phone line
> things are such gags... 
> 

I know at least one of these is not a gag.  A very psychic friend of
mine happens to work for one.  As for the others... I can't say.  My
friend seems to think there are a lot of bad lines out there.  She
occaisionally gets calls from people who received incorrect, or very
destructive counsel from other "psychic" hotlines.  

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________

Stephen R. Figgins           |  "Wommen desiren to have sovereynetee
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  As wel over hir housbond as hir love,
                             |  And for to been in maistrie hym above."
___________________________________________________________________________
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Warfare and women
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:44:25 GMT

In article <Adv6Uz_00WAu494Uko@andrew.cmu.edu> wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins) writes:
>>What the fuck do you people want anyway, and give me one good reason why
>>I should care?
>
>I love you.

You do?  Why, this is so SUDDEN!  *blush*

Thanks! 

>Don't let them get you down.

Some of them even get me up! 

>-Me
>[Pooh Bear incarnate.]
>

Blessings,
the net W(B)itch Janis
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Does the Bible have any contradictions
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:12:28 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

Contradictions galore actually..

I used to have a sheet given to me in a New Testament class I took that
picked a number of issues and quotes the bible being for an against...

Hmm.. I recall something about wine... jesus says.. don't drink it..
and drink it and enjoy... at different places as I recall..

War as well... pound your swords into [some sort of farming tool] 
and at some other point.. "we shall kill all of them by the sword,
men, women, and children".. etc

Sorry I can't do better....
From: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Worship of the Greek gods
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:58:17 GMT
Reply-To: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


What does this newsgroup have to do with the worship of 
Greek Gods?

oops.  Please allow me to rephrase...

What does the present dialog in this thread have to
do with the worship of Greek Gods?  The 'newsgroup'
is fine.  I wanted to see something about Zeus here
but didn't!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: New Tarot Deck
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:33:31 GMT


Re: Hiding Tarot deck...

Maybe they want you to work on develop-
ing some other talents you've been ignoring.

BB!
-- 
"Imagine a war in which everyone won..."
Pet Shop Boys, "DJ Culture"
-----------------------------------------
Ward Chanley - bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: nc313127@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: <None>
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:05:55 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr07.203512.23248@demon.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
>>How do you connect a ouija board to the net?
> 
> Use a virtual socket of course:-)
> 
> ... TCP/IP using poletrgeist and other unreliable carriers of
> datagrams ought to be able to achieve reliable end-to end connections
> to various spirit worlds.... Who will fund me to build the first
> Internet Gateway to the Astral Plane?

not
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Polytheism (was: Re: Are there Pagan Atheists?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:31:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.013143.29815
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Re Polytheism...

I have an immanent concept of the 
Goddess (she is immanent, everywhere,
everything) which I suppose you could
call monotheistic, but it is better
described an pantheistic, because even
monotheism draws a seperation between
God/not God.  In Wicca as I practice it
there is no such seperation...

But I have a polytheistic conception
of the manifestation of this immanent
Diety...because she is All, no one 
name, image or form is capable of
expressing all that she is...so I use
Diana, Athena, Hecate, Isis and what
have you as SYMBOLS for parts of that
which I call Goddess.

Blessed Be.
-- 
"Imagine a war in which everyone won..."
Pet Shop Boys, "DJ Culture"
-----------------------------------------
Ward Chanley - bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: nausicaa@hrnowl.lonestar.org (Nausicaa)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Turtles
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 11:21:01 CST
Organization: Horned Owl BBS, Houston Texas.

krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (Doug Krick) writes:

> In article <mmHFiB1w164w@hrnowl.lonestar.org>, nausicaa@hrnowl.lonestar.org
> (Nausicaa) writes:
> >Perhaps the "physical change" you are seeing is merely a fantasy.
> >
> >Come now, is it so wrong to dream, to let your mind wander about a universe 
> >of infinite possibilities.  Without imagination, without dreams, without 
> >"fantasies", there would be no hope.  Without hope, there would only be 
> >desolation, despair within the hearts of humanity.
> 
> There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with fantisizing.  I wholeheartedly support
> it!
> 
> Some may even say that 
> >ritual magic is a power fantasy, depending upon its use.  One may say that a
> >painter fantasizes as he creates an image upon the canvas, or that a writer 
> >fantasizes when in actuality an extended metaphor is being used.  Does it 
> >really matter what one says.  
> 
> There is a difference between working magic, and daydreaming.  When I work
> magic, I see a difference.  I try to test out the magic via scientific
> processes whenever possible.  Unfortunately, all too often I cannot.
> 
> >There are many individuals of all sorts who are motivated by the hunger for 
> >power, and these people may be found anywhere.  Personally, I believe that 
> >everyone goes through a stage as they mature in which they must face their 
> >true selves and admit their weaknesses, hence controlling the greed.  We are
> >only human after all, with human faults and weaknesses.  Rpg'ers and SF/F 
> >readers are no more power hungry, in general, than the average person.  
> >Noone in truth is better than another, and one who openly believes himself 
> >to be so, shows himself to be merely arrogant.
> > 
> >Nausicaa
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly with you once again!  I fully support RPGers and SF/F
> fandom!  Hell, I'm even on the DucKon ConCom!  (And I can't wait to see the
> Psychics/Pagans vs. Skeptics debate panel, but I'm digressing.)
> 
> Basically, I'm responding to this message, because I think you misinterpreted
> my origional intent.  Hopefully I've cleared it up some.
> 
> Krikket  --  a.k.a. Doug Krick  --  krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us   
> 
> The Reverend Officer Doctor Doctor (Mr. MsD) 
> Douglas L. Krick, D.D.
> POEE Pope of the Greater and Lesser Wheaton, Il area
> 
> #include<std.pompous.note>

I feel that I must have missed something within the content of your letters, 
though much of my reply was in response to the derogatory tone which I felt 
was in use as fans, SF readers, Rpg'ers etc were described...
For as I stated, to me, dreams are what open the gateways to better 
things...Without an open-mindedness created through dreaming, few would not 
be skeptical with regards to magick.
 
Nausicaa
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Sacrifice
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:27:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.042734.7162
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


It seems to me that if you have lots of time and little money, as
is my situation, give time. If you have lots of money and little time
give money. If you have a little of both, give both.

I'm a Taoist, and there is something inherently balanced in giving
away that which you have in surplus.

be well
josh
From: burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jonathan Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: warfare and women
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:38:51 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: burns@latcs2.lat.oz.au

In article <70383@ut-emx.uucp> amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
  (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:

> This makes sense (I've got the Gimbutas books on my huge
> "next-to-read" stack, alas).  But this sounds to me funny somehow.  I
> definitely believe that the breaking down of deity attributes (gods of
> war, gods of needlecraft, goods of music, et cetera) came later, as
> people became less primitive, but some of this sounds as if the
> specific things (in this case, war, slaughter and conflict) did not
> occur.  I also think of righteous battle, things like defending one's
> children or something.  And, since the Morrigan is also a goddess of
> sex (not love, sex), sex can be seen as a combative situation as well.

> I guess I'm just hesitant to jump on the "men-invented-war" bandwagon,
> and this is sort of what this sounds like to me.  Back to the Utopia
> thing.

> Also, on the idea that, the more primitive the goddess, the less
> specified the area She is associated with -- the Morrigan, being one
> of the Tuatha de Danaan, isn't of the most primitive cast.  Aspects of
> her like the battle crow are.  Now, when you talk about death being
> connected to entering the next life, I think in a much more primitive
> sense -- the Sheila-na-gig.

> Another thought -- the Morrigan has a mother, Her name is Ernmas, and
> Her name means murder.  So murder is the mother of slaughter and war.
> Food for thought... I know I'm going to have to go and think on this
> one some more.

I may have posted this before, but no harm done.

A book of Irish tales passed among us last year. One of the stories
begins with the Dagda, out wandering, when he comes to a river. There
is a woman, standing astride this river, one foot on either bank.
Mightily aroused by this, the Dagda couples with her, and then she
announces herself as the Morrigan...

It took me a moment to Get It. One foot on either shore: what a
_perfect_ image for the goddess of Death.

This opening had a very primal sense for me. It speaks of a time when
the Dagda was The heroic protagonist, before the Danaan were quite
filled in.

Also, this seemed to connect with the Washer at the Ford, and with
the Goddesses as patrons of lakes and springs.


A happy Easter to all.
			(
			   ||
		           oo
		           ^
               
{ Easter, as if you didn't know, from the Saxon Eostre, a goddess of
the Moon, and of the Hare in the Moon, and of Desire...} 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jonathan Burns        | 
burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au| They are dangerous, Max, because they have what 
Computer Science Dept | you don't, a philosophy.
La Trobe University   |                           -Videodrome
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new here...Merry meet!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:18:27 GMT

c2mxcox@FRE.FSU.UMD.EDU writes:

>I know of a good source of Celtic history, lore, legends, and magick.
>The book is: _Celtic_Magic_, by D.J. Conway (Llewellyn Magick Series)

Umm, this is a *very bad* source!!! There may be worse, but I haven't read 
them yet! :-)

The only thing about it which is really useful is the overview of lots of
mythological figures.  And the art is pretty.  But it is a waste of money, IMO.

BTW, not one bit of the magic in there is Celtic--it is a really bad mishmash
of Wicca and Ceremonialism.  It does neither one justice, and has very little
to do with its title.

I'm sorry if I burst someone's bubble, but I could not let this go past.  I
wasted the money on this book, and I would not wish anyone else to.  

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Wicca is a Green and Fuzzy Religion
               --Pug and Bran
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: The Shadow <swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re:    Why ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:50:35 -0500

In article <1992Apr13.203743.15468@muddcs.claremont.edu> dproudfo@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kekoa Proudfoot) writes:
>Well, you haven't given me much to misinterpret, now have you?  BTW, I do
>understand these posts.  A humorous newsgroup making fun of alt.save.the.earth.
>
>   IF YOU STILL BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY THE EARTH, YOU'RE A FOOL.
>
>Maybe you'll mess up the environment.  Maybe you'll even kill off most life.
>But you won't destroy the earth.  Face it, you're not smart enough to defeat
>eons of evolution.  Nature and life are made to survive.
>
>> Still thinking on how to destroy the sun,
>
>You'll be thinking until you die, trust me.  And you won't die because the
>sun or the earth blew up, either.

I'll bet you get upset when they forget to put the prize in your
cereal box too, don't you?

Try decaf...

-Shadow
From: rone@carina.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: 12 Apr 1992 23:32:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.usc.edu

In article <92103.204403RED103@psuvm.psu.edu> <RED103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>      I would like to know why it is important to destroy the earth.  It
>      seems that anyone who would advocate this has a death wish unless
>      there is an alternative living enviroment proposed. However, the
>      tone of the posts here don't reflect an interest in living altern-
>      atives.  If then you want to die, why don't you just kill yourselves
>      and leave the earth for those who would like to save it.

SILLY boy!! The point of destroying the earth is so we may go live to a better
place!

Oh, i'm just too flustered. Someone else lecture the poor child. :-)

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