HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: This post composed before a live studio audience
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 00:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.200845.9451@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
> In article <13SEP199220211463@zeus.tamu.edu>, spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
|> 
> |> In addition to the usual loonyness (UFOs, Big Foots, floating Maharishis
> |> u.s.w.), there was an interesting bit about some lad who allegedly could
> |> make images appear on film with some sort of SCARY MAGICKAL MENTAL POWER.
> |> 
> |> Anyway, they tested him first by using 35mm cameras:  He'd place his fingers
> |> over the lens, concentrate, and tell one of the "scientific crew" when to
> |> snap the shot.  Sometimes the exposures were nothing, but sometimes they had
> |> the images the crew had shown to the fellow.  What's interesting is that they
> |> usually weren't very good photographs in the sense that the psychic chap kept
> |> getting things slightly wrong--the ferinstance I recall is when the showed him
> |> a photo of an aeroplane, the image he produced had several of the struts out
> |> of place.
> |> 
|> 
> |> 
> |> I was wondering if anyone out there could identify the gentleman in question,
> |> similar cases, and/or any documentary material on the same.
> 
> Was this Ted Serios?  He was making a name for himself about the time
> that series was made.  He was tested and certified genuine by Putoff
> and Targ at SRI, the same folks that Uri Geller hoaxed to the gills
> around that time.  I think TS is dead now.
> 
(STUFF DELETED)

> 
> TS's phenomenon was mostly a tribute to the gullability of humanity, not
> sign of any particular psychic power.
> 
> -- 
>   Robert E. McGrath
>   Urbana Illinois
>   mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu


Ted Serios was featured in Westword, a Denver publication, not long ago.
Apparently he is living in Denver, but doing little or no psychic
photography.

An account of his unusual ability was written by Dr. Jule Eisenbud, a
Denver psychiatrist who studied Ted for a number of years. It's entitled
*The World of Ted Serios*.  It also includes copies of a number of
photographs Ted did (at that time) which are very interesting. The *piece
of film in the gizmo* (a small cardboard tube) theory would not explain
how Ted could produce different images at one session, some of them
suggested on the spot.

Lou Crago

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: 004107w@ace.acadiau.ca (CHRISTOPHER KEITH WILDBORE)
Subject: CONCERNED
Summary: NO PUN
Keywords: CAT FIGHTING
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: MAGICK
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:39:31 GMT

 -TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN-
 I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE A CONCERN. I AM KNEW TO THIS COMPUTER STUFF AND I WAS 
THRILLED TO SEE THIS CATAGORY.  I AM A PRACTISING WICCIAN AND, AS A HOBBY, I 
WORK WITH HIGH MAGICK STUFF TO SUPPLEMENT MY GODDESS WORK.  I ALSO DO ALOT 
OF WORK, ON MY OWN, IN PROMOTING PAGAN RIGHTS TO WORSHIP AND TO DISPEL THE 
CRAPPY PROPOGANDA THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND SINCE THE MIDDLE AGES.
THAT BRINGS ME TO MY CONCERN.  
  THOSE PEOPLE WHO TAP IN TO THIS CATAGORY SHOULD KEEP AN OPEN MIND.  WE 
PAGANS ARE NOT MISSIONARIES.  WE ARE NOT TRYING TO CONVERT ANYONE.  WE ARE 
WILLING TO ANSWER MOST QUESTIONS.  I AM VERY OPEN WITH MY PRACTISES, BUT 
THEN I AM A SOLITARY AND CAN THUS AFFORD TO BE OPEN.  I BELIEVE IN INFORMING 
PEOPLE ABOUT MY PRACTISES AND BELIEFS, NOT TO CONVERT THEM, BUT TO INFORM 
THEM THAT I AM NOT DANGEROUS, I HAVE AN ETHIC CODE, IT IS OK TO IGNORE US 
AND LET US WORSHIP IN PEACE.
  SO, FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO TAP INTO THIS CAT.,KNOW MORE "CAT" FIGHTING(
EXCEPT THAT SKEM. CAT THING, VERY ENTERTAINING). LET'S EXCHANGE KNOWLEDGE, 
AND TECHIQUES.
                  BLESSED BE ALL SEEKING,
                     CHRIS WILDBORE

               
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Necessary Belief?
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:36:15 GMT

its fine to be skeptical to a bount but beyond that u hinder yourself... But mainly 
 dont be surprised at your results ... power can backflash... just accept the results when they happen or dont happen
 Steve  C.
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL!
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct6.180324.18977@zooid.guild.org>, GECKO <gecko@zooid.guild.org> writes...
> 
>   "Of course, there is a dark side to us.  We kill wantonly, don't we?
>    We burn people in the name of God.  We destroy ourselves; we obliterate
>    life on this planet; we destroy the earth.  And then we dress in robes
>    and the Lord speaks directly to us.  And what does the Lord tell us?
>    He says we should be good boys or he is going to punish us.  The Lord
>    has been threatening us for centuries and it doesn't make any difference.
>    Not because we are evil, but because we are dumb.  Man has a dark side,
>    yes, and it's called stupidity."
>                                        - Don Juan Matus
>

I just finished the last of the 8 Don Juan books the other night 
and remember reading that.  I also think there's more too it than 
just stupidity.

Everyone has a "dark" side.  Frequently people repress this side 
and its urges.  That doesn't make it go away.  I think the people 
most in touch with their dark side are better able to keep it in 
perspective and use it productively.

An amusing example is that after putting down the "randomn acts 
of kindness" quote I received several of the most virulent, 
outraged and obscene e-mails of my net career.   All were 
definding the "random acts of kindness" quote.  Well, I found it 
quirky enough to be amusing.

My theory is that of a population with no major psychological 
problems, those who repress their dark side are more apt to totally 
lose it and walk into a crowded McDonalds with a machine gun and open 
fire.  Of course, that means the known "demons" are basically 
harmless. :)

I think its a wise idea not to mess with anyone who uses the 
"random acts of kindness" quote. 

- Peggy -
Xref: sparky alt.magick:4920 alt.pagan:10161 alt.religion.all-worlds:73
From: erik@cs.uq.oz.au (Erik van Keulen)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:38:13 GMT
Reply-To: erik@cs.uq.oz.au
Followup-To: alt.magick

In <1a6pgtINNt5d@gap.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike
Jittlov) writes:


>   "PRACTICE RANDOM KINDNESS AND SENSELESS ACTS OF BEAUTY"

>Anyone who's cruised the Newsgroups has seen that phrase, often...

	-- lots of story and inspiring stories deleted --

I, like the idea a lot... but... I hardly dare to write "but"; maybe i'm
just a cynical European, but i have my doubts about people, however
well-meaning, doing acts of kindness _at_ people. I mean, a lot of the
stories just give you a glow when you read them, like paying the toll for
the six cars behind you. But, maybe i just don't trust my own ability to
judge what a "kindness" would be for an other.
In Calcutta, i learned that those of us doing "voluntary work" at Mother
Teresa's homes got more than we received. I was left feeling grateful for
the chance to learn so much by "working" there. Other people went home with
the smug feeling of having "done something for those poor people in
Calcutta". They often prayed for "the poor" too... One guy i met told me
he'd pray to (his) god, that "God would let me feel the pain i was causing
Him (God) by rejecting Him..." By this guy's standards, he was being as
kind as he knew how to me, and maybe even kind to his God, so i thanked
him. And he said: "That's okay. I'm glad to do this for you."

I just got wary somewhere along the line of doing "kindnesses" with any
sort of confidence _at_ people. I'm glad there are people (and some of the
examples given showed this) who have the grace to do things which make
other people happy.

The grafitti cleaner worried me though, for example. Um: here in Brisbane,
someone's been cleaning the "gay pride" and anti-rape grafitti from walls,
and leaving some "Kill all boongs!" slogans. I guess i see too much a need
for grafitti to consider "cleaning" it a kindness.

The more i worry about posting a really cynical reply to someone's charming
idea, the longer this will get. I'll just get off the air!

(smiles...)
______________________________________erik@cs.uq.oz.au______
Erik van Keulen                 I'm queer... so what?!  \  /
_________________________________________________________\/
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Necessary Belief?
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:27:41 GMT

In article <Bv733v.7G4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes in part:
|> 
|> There is a saying that "sceptics make the best
|> magicians".  
Other than this note, do you have a source for this remarkable quotation?
Evidence that this is true would be even more interesting.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Questions...
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:18:29 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.


About this incident in 84 with the Ouija board - from the first few things
you mention, it's clear to me that one or more persons involved with the
whole thing was/were playing *nasty* mind games with the rest.  Other,
actually magickal, or "only" psychological events followed, brought on
by these games, but the original, and possibly other events were ->games<-.

Why am I so definite about this? Let me make this (to coin a phrase (B-)} )
perfectly clear: the "real" Necronomicon does not exist. It is an imaginary
book, created by H.P.Lovecraft, as the basis of a fantasy/horror mythology,
and was referenced in many of the author's works. A number of other authors
with permission, set their stories in the same universe. In the late 60's,
and early 70s, with the revival of fantasy in the publishing world, interest
in this *mythical* book revived (it's a *lot* of hard work for an author to
create a whole universe that is self-consistant), and was used by more, and
new authors. Several small presses have published ->created<- versions of
this ongoing in-joke, among them Owlsick Press (in the mid-70's; I have
(somewhere) a copy of a sample), which consisted of about 8 - 10 pages of
psuedo-Aramaic script, which, in the complete volume, were simply repeated
a dozen or so times. Therefore, any "spirits" referring to this book, and
implying *any* part of it was real, is an attempt by *someone* to play a
game, nasty or otherwise, on the recipients of this "message".

My reaction to the events described is to wonder who was playing the mind game,
and whether they were indictable. Clearly, after a few months of seeing what
was happening, they weren't about to confess, but it appears, from this 
distance, that they may have actually continued to play "games". *I'd* 
want to do them bodily harm, if I ever had definite evidence of who it was,
esp. if I, or my friends, were affected by it all.

	mark
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: The end of the world...
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.222252@tiger1.prime.com>, jasonp@tiger1.prime.com (Jason Pascucci) writes:
>Greetings,
>
>I saw recently (I can't recall if it was here, or in a
>(gasp) real book or mag) an old bit of precognative poetry akin
>to Nostradamous(sp?) from someone I can't recall, which
>gave allusion to a number of current technological advances,
>and which gave a date of the end of the world, I think it
>was 91 or early 92...(i.e. it was passed by).
>
>I would be interested in hearing some predictions as
>to the end of the earth, but I do *not* need justifications
>of them. All I'm looking for is dates, really...anything
>else which you may give is up to you. 
>
>The Book of the SubGenius states emphatically that
>the end of life as we know it will occur at 7:00 am
>on July 5, 1998. (Or kill me.)
>
>My personal theory is that it's sometime around
>mid 1997. (93 years from the beginning of this aeon 
>according to Uncle Al, in 1904). I believe I also noted that
>93 years, and 418 days put me somewhere near the end
>of June, 1998, not in July. (It was a good guess at the
>time). 
>
>Now, again, I would like to see no flames, no ridicule (if you feel
>you must, email me), no comments on other people's
>half-baked or unexplained ideas, just dates, and if you feel
>the need to, a little explanation at how you got to it. Let's
>see if we can manage that...
>
>-Jason
>-- 
>Jason R. Pascucci
>jasonp@primerd.prime.com
>
>Two dragons walked into a bar, and the third one ducked. 


  Sorry no we can't, we're just mentally handicapped. OOOOHHH, I'm scared!!!
I'm shaking, pal! I'll be praying to go to heaven in '97!!! I'm too young to
die!!! Please make it on a monday morning so I don't have to get out of bed,
Lord!!!

  It will end, though not in a magicians puff!
 
                                                             adam
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: thales@netcom.com (All is Water!)
Subject: Crowley's 777
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 19:33:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

If anyone has a copy of 777 on file, could you please mail me a copy
or put it up on slopoke...thanks.

i've seen it on various bbs's ...but 400k at 2400 baud..is no picnic!

thanks...again ..


-- 
                    -----------------------------------------         
                   |             thales@netcom.com           |
                   |    ..it's always the same,              |
                   |          and it's always different...   | 
                    -----------------------------------------
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The Magickal Philosophy
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:18:03 GMT

ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
> 3.  I haven't bothered with Vol. 2, since it is exclusively Kabbalah, and I
> won't work with Kabbalah for ethical reasons.

OK, I give up.  I've thought about this from a bunch of different angles, and 
I can't for the life of me figure out what could be *unethical* about working 
with the Kabbalah.  Would you care to elaborate some?


Peace,

Amanda Walker

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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Flaming.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:09:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <memo.649628@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:


>To put the record straight:

>I have been real busy recently and I jumped into the middle of a
>thread to say that in general I thought flaming was something one
>just gets used to on the 'net: You can't avoid it so learn to deal
>with it.



>Ok Friday?

>PS. If you didn't know already: I seriously want to understand and
>re-experience some of the totally weird experiences I have had. Thats
>why I am here. Not to peddle dogma (although it probably looks like
>it sometimes)

Personally, I have high regard for your posts...albeit sometime devoid
of humor.  My post to you was in jest.

That's one of the problems with this medium; because there's no tonality,
it heard to hear sarcasm.  While you and I may, through experience,
learn to discern true flames from "smart alecky" remarks, newcomers may
not have that benefit.

I find it curious that, in the women-only forum to which I belong, flames
are unheard of.  The women who participate like keeping men out because,
they report, these are the only places they feel nurtured, encouraged and
supported.

If the more powerful people in a community don't take on the responsibility
for being more tolerant, more considerate of the less powerful (and/or
experienced), what does it say about us as a people?

--Friday

-- 
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
-- 
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Flames
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <7v#p5v_.mesm@netcom.com>, mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes...
>dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand) writes:
>: In article <h08nj2f.friday@netcom.com> friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
>: 
>:    And I say, take your naive, juvenile attitude and stuff it in a dark
>:    place, then resign alt.magick and go to alt.flame!
>: 
>: 
>:    -- 
>:        - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
>: 	 friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
>: 	 (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
>: 
>:    It's sort of ironic, that the anti-flame case is argued, here, by a
>: particularly weak, immature, uninformative flame. (To be really
>: consistent, Friday's message would have had to be polite and tenderly
>: protective of Leo's (pretty well armored) ego).
>:     -- David Durand
>Actually what I thought made a nice contrast was the body of the
>response and its .sig...
> 
>--
>Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
>mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
>=====================================================================
>Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA

She wasn't trying to be consistent.

It was sarcasm.  Clever sarcasm.  Perhaps too clever for this 
board.

Now, can we get back to magick?

- Peggy -
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 12:47:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Necronomicon
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: gss@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Graeme S Sutherland)
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:30:17 GMT
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Scientific basis for magick (FAQ material?)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:54:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Leo writes:

Tagi! I actually understood what you were saying!


Response:

Great!   You're one step ahead of me. ;>


Leo:

How do we blow this reality Reliably, Regularly, Legally and
Consistently to arrive at the magickal paradigm shift?


Response:

How do we control another person's reality?  I don't think that it
is productive to attempt this.  Otherwise, I don't understand what
you are asking.  WHOSE paradigm shift?  


Thyagi
===================================================================
"So, giving all the love you have, never be afraid to show your heart."
Jon Anderson, Yes
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Female Thelemite seeks shared housing
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:14:03 GMT
Organization: Individual

I'm posting this for a friend - please send replies to ecsd@tfs.com. Thanks.

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Female seeking home in established house in North Oakland, Berkeley, or SF,
no more than three housemates. Can pay at most $300 per month.
Need my own private space - a room, a loft, even a garage.
Prefer magickally aware people - Thelemites, Wiccans. Pagans okay too.
I'm into bikes, books, alternative music - TV NOT.
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From: dunsmore7043@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Lost in the Dark.....
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:43:57 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello all,

     I have read this newsgroup for several months and have decided that
everyone is right.  Everyone on here seems to belive in some form of magick,
me included. I'd tell you my beliefs, but I don't have the time, nor do I want
to bore you with ideas that sound like they are out of fiction. But to
understand the meat of my post I do have to exlain part of my belief.

    I am 22. I am not old nor wise by most standards, including my own, but I
can not help but feel wiser and older than most around me. Even those that are
suposed to be Philosophers and Learned. I believe in magick. I feel it out
there, in the multiverse, but I have never seen it to my knowledge. The actions
of people around me are natural. The life on this planet is natural. All I have
seen and experienced is natural. The creation of everything is another story
too long to discuss here. 

    My beliefs have pushed me to the edge of society and led me to my disrespect
and disbelief in it. I rarly keep a job for longer than a month, becuse I don't
feel comfortable with my suroundings. Maybe it's lack of willpower and maybe
it's something else.  I would like to get away, but I have to fight Society to
get anywhere(ie. I have no money).

    This is where you good people could come in. Could you give me some advice
on where to go and who to see? Is there anywhere I can go and find a `mentor'
or just to get away from EVERYTHING? 

        I thank anyone that responds in advance.

                                        JD the Lost.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Flaming.
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:50:40 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:

> If the more powerful people in a community don't take on the responsibility
> for being more tolerant, more considerate of the less powerful (and/or
> experienced), what does it say about us as a people?

I would say there's a great deal of wisdom in this comment. By their 
fruits shall ye know them. 

Fruits can also contain bitter medicine.

It's all in the bedside manner, I would say. Later, Bill
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:47:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Necronomicon
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick

Robert Mathiesen writes:

>The newly arrived should be informed, of course, that almost every sentence
>in the Necronomicon FAQ (posted by Colin Low) is false ....

Which suggests that some sentences are true. A typical ex-Jesuit trick to
confuse the unwary. The truth is in the true sentences - ignore the false;
these are strange times and we need strange methods to confound the servants
of the Papist anti-christ.

Colin
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:36:20 GMT


	i've missed your smiling face, josh.

	*hugs*.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The end of the world...
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:56:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Jason asked for end of the world dates.


I have been seriously thinking about this.  I think that I'm arriving
at a life-attitude that may serve me for a bit.

The end of the universe is December 21 (Solstice) of each year.  Yes,
I said EACH year.  Imagine if we all treated this date EACH year
as the last day of our lives upon earth.  Say your goodbyes, quit
your job, be with your loved ones (your kin - real family) and just
love and live and learn.

When we wake up on the 22nd (if we do) then we have granted ourselves
a rebirth.  Time to start another year of frolic and fun!

Thyagi
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I think that all of these dates are true by the way.
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