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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time (was Re:Han's rank)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:09:24 GMT

un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

>In article <26OCT92130045@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>, dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) writes:
>> In article <94633@netnews.upenn.edu>, worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mikey (He likes it)) writes...
>>>That ordinarily would be a very valid point, since three years passed be-
>>>tween each of the three movies (3 years between SW and TESB, and 3 more 
>>>between TESB and RoTJ), ...
>> 
>> The novelization states that ROTJ takes place 6 months after ESB.
>> 
>> --Gallandro
>> 
>>     "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"

>	This brings up a question in itself.  Why the hell didn't the Rebellion
>go after Han Solo sooner than this?  I haven't seen ESB in quite awhile, but
>wasn't Lando present when Vader or Fett mentioned that Solo was going to Jabba?
>And even if he wasn't, where else is a logical place to bring Solo?  Chewbacca
>at least knew about solo's problems with Jabba, and with a little thought they
>easily could have figured out where he was going.  6 months is a long time to
>plan a liberation, especially one that had as many holes in it as did theirs.
>Maybe they were giving Lando time to infiltrate the ring, but 6months???  If
>I were Solo, and found out it took them that long, I'd be a bit peeved.
>	The only reasonable thing I can see is that we are supposed to assume
>that the Rebels were otherwise occupied, but Chewie, and Lando obviously
>weren't.  All and all, the whole thing is a little shaky if you ask me.

Lando may not have been occupied with the Rebellion after being dropped
off at Tatooine, but Chewie may have been--after dropping off Lando, he
could've taken the Falcon back to the Rebel headquarters and continued
the fight against the Empire for the next few months.

Yeah, but why wait six months?  Two reasons I can think of: they were
waiting for Lando to be hired and become one of Jabba's trusted personal
guard (a delicate problem in itself); and they were waiting for Luke
to hone his Force skills and make himself a new lightsaber.  We don't
know how long it took Lando and Luke to do these things, but six
months doesn't seem all that unreasonable.


                        --Steve Stelter
                          sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another question
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:57:12 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  writes:
> HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >	Here's another one for you to ponder over in your free time: How does
> >Vader know who Luke is in the beginning of TESB? They never have any kind of
> >personal contact in ANH. However, recall the classic line, "The force is strong
> >with this one." This is the closest thing they to actual contact throughout the
> >entire movie. And yet, in TESB, Vader says, "That is it! That is the system!
> >And I am sure young SKYWALKER is with them!" How does he know Luke's name, and 
> >that there even is a "Luke Skywalker?" The "Force," perhaps?
> >Any comments are gladly welcomed.
> 
> I get the impression that Luke and friends became huge celebrities after
> the Battle of Yavin--not just among the Rebellion, but throughout the
> Galaxy as well.  Luke, brash youth that he was, probably bragged a lot
> himself, maybe even mentioning that he was trained by the Jedi Master
> Obi-Wan Kenobi.  Moreover, a lot of time passes between the first two
> films, leaving plenty of opportunities for Luke to expand his notoriety
> even further.

Hmmm... somehow I doubt it. It takes a really stupid guerrilla
force to allow its best soldiers to break operational security
measures that way, and the rebels--despite being taken in by
the Endor trap--are not stupid.  I think the other
explanation--that Vader found out through a system of spies in
the rebellion--is more plausible.

Those guerrilla soldiers who do achieve such notoriety--on
earth, such men as Eden Pastora ("Commander Zero," one of the
most appropriate names in the annals of military history) and
Che Guevara actually turn out to be better at publicizing
themselves than fighting. 

Of course, that doesn't mean that Luke *didn't* do a lot of
bragging (although frankly I still can't imagine it)--in fact,
it might have been through the loose lips of Luke, or people
involved in the Battle of Yavin (pilots or ground crews), that
the theoretical Imperial spies heard about Luke in the first
place. But as for Luke's name gaining notoriety throughout the
galaxy--I rather doubt it.

Steve
--
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Violets are blue.
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: Teleportation
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:14:44 GMT


I said:
>  I guess teleportation (a la trek) must also exist, since Luke
> mentions it to Threepio in the garage scene in ANH.

Then Nathan N Hill writes:
> Probably not. a) Luke says "...not unless you can alter time,
> speed up the harvest, or teleport me off this rock." Most people
> would probably agree that Luke was being sarcastic.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   So was I.  The point was that just because something is mentioned
in SW (e.g. cloaking device in ESB), that doesn't mean that it
actually exists.  'Nuff said.

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB

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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: Dark Empire #6 (Jedi sibling contest!)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:06:21 GMT

In article <92318.180456DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>      Anybody have any ideas for the name of Leia's third child?
> 
>      E-mail them to me! DCC117@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
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All right... lets hold a contest on this. E-mail them to dcc117 and
if they are REALLY awesome POST them here. I think this definitely 
deserves a contest.........

Jacen and Jaina.... nice names, but WE can design a new one
How about: George Jr. (won't papa Lucas be proud) 

And beware of the Dark Side!
--
 

Darth Vader (John P. LaRocque)
vader@uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: John Ratzenberger
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:30:39 GMT

In article <Bx42r6.IDv@ns1.nodak.edu> nilles@plains.NoDak.edu (Allen Nilles) writes:
>In article <Bx3qD5.9Ks@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier) writes:
>
>          [Stuff deleted]
>>>
>>>The stupid rebel that didn't think to look for Luke checking in at the south
>>>entrance-guy.
>>
>>I am having a BLAST reading this thread and I wanted wait 'til the end
>>to post but this is figure I was thinking of!!!  But the reason being
>>is that that 'stupid rebel guy' was none other then Mr. John
>>Ratzenberger!  a.k.a.  CLIFF CLAVINS (sp?) from Cheers!  and boy does
>>he do a hell of a job! :-) Kind of figures his character would be the
>>one responsible for being an idiot.
>
>Actually, that wasn't John Ratzenberger. I noticed his name in the credits
>and checked to see who he played, it was Major Derlin. I then checked out
>the novelization and found out John was the guy saying "I'm sorry,
>Princess. But we have to close the blast doors" or something to that
>effect.
>
>
>Wrench

Not to sound Imperious, but you're both wrong...
Whatever the novel (or anything other than the movie) says, the most reliable
way to pick Ratzenberger out is by looking and listening for him. Neither of
the fellas you mention looks or sounds like Cliffy. One guy, however, does: 
the officer standing in the circle of rebel pilots as Leia briefs them. His
only line is "Okay! [clap] Everybody to your stations, let's go!"

Watch a good copy of TESB. John Ratzenberger is unmistakable, complete with
the moustache and Cliff Claven's own voice (tm).

							local Star Wars guru
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					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
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Subject: Re: A new Thread
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:25:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx972o.A8v
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


Mr. Horse as Han Solo.

"Excuse me, Mr. Solo.  What're your feelings about being frozen in
carbonite?"

"Hmmmmmmmm...No sir, I didn't like it."


Actually, a lot of R&S characters would easily fit into Star Wars
roles.  You'd have Ren Kenobi, Luke Stimpywalker, Darth Liquor, etc.


                               --Steve Stelter
                                 sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  6 Nov 92 23:54:04 GMT

In <1992Nov6.124303.3241@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>Well, I'll be.....I watched Empire last night, and had to rewind about six
>times, but that *IS* John Ratzenberger as the Rebel Commander.....  Hmmm I
>wonder if there was a real large rebel general that had a preference for
>alien intoxicants ???

Actually, I was wondering if a certain Imperial Admiral (Piett) might
have been sighted on Earth in AD 33... it seems that Kenneth Colley
was cast in Monty Python's _Life of Brian_... I think he played
Jesus.
--
*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
	"I'll just go tell them to 'fornicate off.'"
				--Black Adder
From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hyperspace
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:04:10 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

>In article 20947@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu, stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein) writes:
>> >In article <1992Oct24.032249.6949@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mikenorw@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Michael Norwick) writes:
>> >>
>> >>After the Millenium Falcon escaped the Death Star in Star Wars, why
>> >>didn't they just immediately go into hyperspace rather than fight off
>> >>the tie fighters for five minutes.
>> 
>> Maybe the reason is that neither Han nor Chewbaca knew where they were going
>> when they left the Death Star.  Only Leia knows the location of the base.
>> THey're not going to sit around on the Death Star discussing where they're
>> going.  Also, they don't know if the tractor beam is still operating.

They would find out about the tractor beam fairly soon - remember that
it pulled them into the Death Star, and Solo had to shut down the engines.
The tractor beam would be a good reason for *not* waiting around.

But I agree with the statement that only Leia knew where the Rebel base was,
and she and Chewbacca needed time to do the pre-jump calculations.  Remember
that the Millenium Falcon did not jump to Alderaan before hanging around
Tatooine and being shot at by Imperial Star Destroyers, for a similar
reason.

-- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Want to buy loose figures
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:22:32 GMT

Yes, action figures of few attachments and questionable morals
are sought by yours truly. What I do with them is my business.

Specifically, if anyone has a loose Luke Skywalker (Battle
Poncho) from the Powers of the Force series that they'd be
willing to part with for a *reasonable* sum of money
(reasonable being defined through mutual correspondence), I'd
be very interested in parting you from it. Card, coin, and
weapon are not required, although their absence will detract
from any offer, and I prefer the poncho and belt (and helmet,
if it is not part of Luke's head) to be present and accounted
for. Again, this is a flexible requirement, but their absence
would adversely affect the price I'm willing to pay.

Again: I want to buy this figure LOOSE, not on the card, and in
Fine to Mint condition. 

Also, if anyone has an Imperial Gunner, as above, let me know.

Steve
--
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Violets are blue.
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Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
From: CS19240954R@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JENKINS, MICHAEL)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:41:57 GMT
 <1992Oct27.043857.4386@ll.mit.edu> <1992Oct27.230704.1@vax1.umkc.edu> 
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In <2NOV199222343654@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> hdw@deimos.ucc.umass.edu writes:

> STAR move from point "A" to point "B" in space. You never see any kind of rock-
> ets or thrusters on it. In ANH, after Luke, Han, C-3PO, R2-D2, and Chewie escape
> from the DS and shoot down those four TIE fighters, they go into hyperspace to
> the rebel base( forgive me, but I forget what planet it was on ). The next thing
> you know, the DEATH STAR is approaching the planet. My question is, HOW THE HELL
> DID IT GET THERE! Again, we never see any thrusters on it. Even if there were
> hidden thrusters that only appeared when the DS was moving, it would be IMPOSS-
> IBLE for any kind of thruster to generate the amount of energy needed to send 
> DEATH STAR into hyperspace!
> 
>    Any comments? I CHALLENGE YOU!

Could someone explain to me why the DS bothered to take the time to orbit the
planet to get to the rebel base when they could have just blown it away???
Seemed like a bit of a waste of time to me...

				Jenx..
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From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Subject: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:40:03 GMT

The next time you watch Raiders, there is a scene beyond the one in the map
room where I know R2D2 is present.  When the Indy and Marion characters are 
tied to the lightpost as they open the Ark, it cuts back and forth to them,
and during a few of the cuts there is a distinct 'head' of R2D2 on the pole.
Anyone else seen this?  I've never read this anywhere, but just watched
the movie one day and noticed it.  Right at the top of the pole...honest!

Any Lucas experts know anything about this?
-- 

Lon Lowen Jr.                        |  Wayne State University
Netcom Online Communications         |  Detroit, Michigan
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From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New SW comics....
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:08:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov8.190836.3341
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

i thumbed through a copy of "previews" (a publication that lets one take a
peak at what comics an' stuff is coming out three months from now). it had
the second part of an interview with dark horse founder and president (not
to mention the owner of my local comic book spigot) mike richardson.
he discussed a variety of things (aliens action figures....just what i
wanted) as well as some of the new SW books he's planning. one the things
on the drawing boards right now is a SW novel like the "aliens:tribes"
hardcover that was published earlier this year. "tribes" was a prose story
that was accompanied by 24 (i think) illustrations by dave dorman (cover
artist for "dark empire"). i really liked the concept of the book, even
though the product was only so-so (the art and the look of the book were
great...unfortunatly the story wasn't...).
he also mentioned that there would be a sequal series to "dark empire" eith
the same creators.

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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs GALACTICA vs STAR TREK
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:35:04 GMT

In article <TZw6TB1w165w@cithara.uucp> spongebo@cithara.uucp (THE EYE-BALL KID) writes:
>
>I think the real debate here is not "What is SF and what ain't", but what 
>is HARD SF and WHAT IS SOFT SF. No doubt that line is now and always will 
>be blurred, but to open up a little discission on the matter, I'll stick 
>my neck on the block with some examples.
>
>BTW, I should say I preffer the HARD STUFF! he he.
>
>HARD SF is often best characteristed by the NEW WAVE. Writers who tried 
>to play with the form and content, using SF as a "medium" rather than a 
>latform for an adventure tale.
  The definition of hard SF I'm familiar with is that the author tries to
deal with future technology realisticly. Authors like Pournelle, Niven,
Hogan, and Paul Anderson fit into this category. Whether or not the actual
technology is realistic, they try to deal with how it affects society
realisticly.
  In this context, Max Headroom and most of the anthologies could be
considered fairly hard. While Headroom was quite odd, the world and
technology were quite consistant. Most of the anthologies took an idea
and ran it to a logical conclusion. 


>Soft SF tends to bleed into straight Adventure: EE Doc Smith, etc.
  In soft SF, the technology is more of a prop, and isn't really thought
out. It's everything from laser  bolts exploding in Buck Rodgers to
the Transporter saving the day in Star Trek to fire on the Galactica.
You can have quite good stories using soft SF, as long as you don't depend
on the technology.



-- 
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swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | and they will work to ENSLAVE all the nations
Disclamer: I lie      | of your planet. -Ricardo
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From: v115maec@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael L. Kohan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE:  return of the pissant figures 2.
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov5.213627.2612@bvc.edu>, meierdalepau@bvc.edu writes...
>BTW--the trash compactor in the Death Star playset didn't even have a 
>dianoga figure (that I know of).  Whatta gyp....
> 
>Dale Meier

Yes it did. I had this playset so many moons ago. The dianoga was this green
thing that looked like the loch ness monster. I clearly remember this set,
there was the little tower where Ben shuts the force field off, the extending
bridge Luke and Leia had to swing across, and the aforementioned trash compactor
that had a big screw you could turn to make it tighter. There were little cm3
foam cubes in blue, red and yellow to represent the trash. This was one funky
set. And I had it... once.
-Mike
(BuffaloChip)
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THX-1138 references (was: R2D2 in Raiders)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:10:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Nov9.211527.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>So -- Where else, if anywhere, does "THX-1138" appear in LucasFilms?

It's on a plate bolted to a wall in the big weapon room at the end of
Howard the Duck.
 :)
:)

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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ESB line to figure out
Date: 4 Nov 92 04:32:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: wheaton.1992Nov4.043233.28276
Organization: Wheaton College, IL

In article <Bx2BpG.F0o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>
>>At the end of ESB, Vader says to Luke:
>>"You can destroy the Emperor. He has forseen this."
>>Is he proposing he and Luke join up and whack the Emperor?
>>The intriguing thing is the second sentence. What does "this" mean?
>>Does he mean the Emperor forsaw Luke becoming powerful? The way he
>>says it, it almost seems like Vader is saying the Emperor has forseen
>>Vader and Luke destroying him, but that is confusing. You could
>>probably speculate on this line, especially the way these two 
>>sentences were spoken so close together.
>
>A couple possible interpretations:
>
>1.  Vader is a big fat liar, and is using the "The Emperor has forseen
>    this" bit just to boost Luke's pride and push him toward the Dark
>    Side.
>
>2.  The Emperor has actually foreseen Luke destroying him someday, even
>    though that's not how things actually turn out.  After all, even
>    masters of the Force can sometimes be mistaken.  "Always in motion
>    is the future," you know.
>
>
>                   --Steve Stelter
>                     sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Well, Vader is telling half of the truth...and in way Luke did destroy the
Emperor. What the Emperor DID say was: 

	"...He could destroy us. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi."
 
This prophecy was true. If it hadn't been for Luke, Vader and Palpatine would
never have killed each other. Or rather, it was Luke who motivated his father
to renounce (kill/destroy) Darth Vader and take out the Emperor. So Luke DID
destroy the Emperor...from a certain point of view. ;^)

Of course, Darth neglected to mention one thing: The Emperor had seen that Luke
could destroy BOTH of them. Convenient.

IMHO, Luke "resurrected" his father by planting ideas of the possible in
Vader's mind. By doing this, he destroyed both Vader and the Emperor.

Make sense to you? 
                                                 local Star Wars guru
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