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From: mike@cc.gatech.edu (Mike McCracken)
Subject: Re: Roycroft books
Keywords: roycroft books metalwork elbert hubbard arts crafts mission
Organization: Software Research Center, Georgia Tech.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.150108.3840@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) writes:
|> In article <1d3uv5INNk6f@morrow.stanford.edu> RH.RST@forsythe.stanford.edu (Bob Topor) writes:
|> >Hello! I'm interested in (and collect) Roycroft Books produced in
|> >East Aurora, NY. Antone out there in netland a Roycroft collector?
|> >They also produced other items (such as furniture).
|> >
|> >-Bob Topor, Palo Alto
|> 
|> You got one here from Austin.  I have a number of Roycroft books including
|> a couple JUST acquired.  All are signed by Elbert Hubbard and one of them is
|> even uncut.  A friend of mine (in the right place at the right time)
|> spotted them and picked 'em up for me for a song - hoooooray!
|> 

Sounds like good dealing to me.  I suggest for all of those interested in 
Arts and Crafts publishing, both English and American, they try to find articles
by John Francoise Villain (not sure of the spelling), he is a recognized 
authority on that area.  He contributed to the Art That is Life exhibition
in Boston (and resulting book), also can be found in the Arts and Crafts 
Quarterly.
Now, as far as Lance's books, here's what most collectors look for.  Very early 
editions, leather covers, illustrations by W. W. Denslow (same guy who did the 
Wizard of Oz), graphical design by Karl Kipp and others (can't remember names, 
but I'll forward them to you if you'd like).  Designs similar to the Kelmscott 
Press (the press that William Morris was involved with, and whose original books
go for in the thousands).  
Many of Hubbard's books were signed (usually with a rubber stamp), and many were 
uncut (the only thing I can figure out is quality control problems, but maybe 
someone can explain that).  
For a song, most Roycroft books are a good deal (they published until well after 
Elbert Hubbard's death, 30's or maybe 40's?).  Besides the stuff he wrote is 
really off the wall, and fun to read.  
Let's be careful here, I am in no way trying to criticize Lance and his new finds.
Just trying to get some talk going about this interesting area of Arts and Crafts.

Mike
From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Roycroft books
Summary: Roycroft books and metalwork
Keywords: roycroft books metalwork elbert hubbard arts crafts mission
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:01:08 GMT
Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1d3uv5INNk6f@morrow.stanford.edu> RH.RST@forsythe.stanford.edu (Bob Topor) writes:
>Hello! I'm interested in (and collect) Roycroft Books produced in
>East Aurora, NY. Antone out there in netland a Roycroft collector?
>They also produced other items (such as furniture).
>
>-Bob Topor, Palo Alto

You got one here from Austin.  I have a number of Roycroft books including
a couple JUST acquired.  All are signed by Elbert Hubbard and one of them is
even uncut.  A friend of mine (in the right place at the right time)
spotted them and picked 'em up for me for a song - hoooooray!

I also have quite a few pieces of their metal work ranging from trays
to desk accessories.  I found a small, copper lamp recently, but the
shade was new and the price too high so I passed on it.

I'm very much looking forward to my first trip to the Arts/Crafts
conference this year (well, Feb. 93) and hope to acquire some new
things.  Anyone else going?  Better get those reservations now!!!!


Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
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From: mscott@well.sf.ca.us (Michael Scott)
Subject: Georgian tall-case clock
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:13:53 GMT


I've just purchased a Georgian tall-case (grandfather) clock at auction
and could sure use some advice. (It's not only the first grandfather
clock I've ever owned, it's the first antique!)

This is the catalogue description:

"A carved oak-cased eight day chiming clock, with arched brass dial, signed
'Caleb Pitt Froom', centre with seconds dial and chiming St. Mary's
Cambridge chimes on eight bells, on bracket feet, 8'10" high."
All the works are present (3 counterweights, pendulum, crank, case key
etc.) and the auctioneer certifies the clock was in working order when it
arrived in the showroom. There's a very handsome lunar-phase dial, hand-
painted and inset at the top of the face, as well.

Can anyone tell me anything about this particular clock or its maker? Any
guesses as to its age? (The auction house estimates 1850s.) Also any advice
for a first time clock owner? And last, but not least, any comments on the
sale price: $2500 Canadian?

E-mail me please, at <mscott@mindlink.bc.ca>. Cheers.
Michael Scott

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From: peapud@aix.rpi.edu (Diane Hope Peapus)
Subject: Sasha Bratsoff plates
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:45:44 GMT


Greetings:

	I recently purchased a set of dishes from a woman I know who said 
that she purchased them at a museum auction during the early 70's.  They 
had been donated to the museum during a fund raiser.  I was struck by the 
design and color, and didnt' care about the cost or the value, but now I am
wondering if anyone knows anything about them. 

	They are a gorgeous mauve splattered glaze and gold leaf where each 
piece has a different design.  They are signed with a picture of a rooster
and: 			Sascha Brastoff 
			   California
			      USA

	Anyone ever heard of it?

			Thanks,
			diane@xray.chem.rpi.edu
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From: knudsen@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (michael.j.knudsen)
Subject: Re: Old radio w/phono player/recorder
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:35:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.185654.16919@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, knudsen@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (michael.j.knudsen) writes:

> Looking thru my Beitman's book of 1925-1938 radio schematics,
> I found an RCA "Micro-Synchronous" R/P with record feature.
> It was no newer than early '30s -- had 27 and 24A tubes.
> Think it was a superhet -- not a Radiola 80, since it had only one IF stage,
> if memory serves.  It had a complex function switch, naturally.

Checked again last nite -- it was not a superhet, but a 3-stage TRF
plus detector, all 24As.
 Puts it about 1930.

feed
the
poster
monsters
-- 
	"I don't think so, Al"
  Programmers Do It on paper.  So do puppies.
	knudsen@iexist.att.com
From: SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Radio Correction, OOPS
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:32:51 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Sorry folks, I made an error and would like to correct it.  I'm sure a lot of y
ou could care less, but I don't want to give out bad info.  We somehow got into
 old radios and tranformers.  I stated the Radiola 84 used a 746-0-746 volt po
wer transformer.  I ment to say model 64 (also 67).  Hey! what do you want?  It
's not easy memorizing details of 60 year old radios!  This topic was related t
o questions on a Westinghouse WR-7.  It did not use this troublesome transforme
r.  Yet, on any old radio, the power transformer condition is the determining f
actor on if the chassis is repairable.  If it's burned up, replacements may be
impossible to find and those available are not cheap.  Spencer Doggett




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From: sbambara@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Stephen Bambara)
Subject: bottle, etc.
Originator: sbambara@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:21:59 GMT


	About that mystery bottle....might it actually be something like
a fire extinguisher.  That is,  people used to fill glass vessels of
various shapes (usually teardrop) with water and hang them around the
kitchen area in case there was a fire.  They could then smash them on
the fire to put it out.  If that is not it, it may still be something other
than a food vessel.

	Regarding the rec.antiques  I would vote against turning this
into a want-ad column.  I'm actually not sure that one is supposed to
sell anything over  the net.  An antique want-ad column might not be a
bad idea, but I'd rather see an new group form than change this one.
I rather enjoy the questions and conversation.

	Lastly, to Nancy, our favorite glassware expert, "Who the heck
is Gus Pagonis, anyway?" :)
-- 
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     Box 7626                        fax   (919) 515-7746
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From: mac@ur.utk.edu (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: OLD BEER CANS !! (periodic post)
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Distribution: alt.beer rec.collecting rec.antiques rec.crafts.brewing
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:20:07 GMT

I have about 1500 straight steel, crimp steel, and aluminum cans I would
like to trade for a much lesser number of old cans in decent shape...

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From: nak1@cbnews.cb.att.com (natalie.kelly)
Subject: CCC Camp Memorphilia  Old Pillow
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:32:36 GMT

I found and old pillow case in among
my mother's things in a hope chest.
It is in excellent condition.  It was
apparently given to her by her brother
when he was in the CC Camp in the 1930s.
Is there anyplace I can find out if this
is worth anything - the reason I know
it was from her brother is that it
reads SISTER on it with a little poem.
Thanks in advance
From: ULDBEV@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Beverly Vander Kooy)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Roycroft books
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:19:42 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

The Roycrofters practiced their art in East Aurora, not far from Buffalo.
Parts of the complex are still extant and I believe a museum is there.
Roycroft furniture, books, etc. are available in this area.  I don't know
specifics -- but I could look into what is going on if anyone is interested.
The "original" books are not all that rare as far as I know.  I have one of
the many extant copies of the "Elbert Hubbard Scrapbook".  Elbert Hubbard
worked for the Larkin Company here, whose office building - Frank Lloyd
Wright - was demolished many years ago.
 
The Roycroft Inn was a restaurant for many years, and has been a restaurant
in the last 10 years off and on.  There was an exhibit of the printing presses
etc. that I saw in the early 1950's.
 
 
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From: phys58@jetson.uh.edu (Hortvet, Douglas Richard)
Subject: Airline/Aircraft Items
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:17:00 GMT

I am interested in items related to the latter days of the piston airliner 
period, i.e. late forties to late fifties. If anyone has photos, professional
(travel agency) models, technical manuals (aircraft or powerplant), etc. they 
may wish to sell - please e-mail a list of items.

Specific subjects: Lockheed Constellation - 1049, 1649, Douglas DC-7, 
Curtiss Wright R-3350, Pratt & Whitney R-2800.

I look forward to hearing from anyone on this rather narrow topic.

Thanks.

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From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: Old money
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 01:12:02 GMT
From: SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Old radio w/phono player/recorder
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:35:18 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Nov3.214851.4360@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
bkb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (brian.bebeau) writes:

>not as valuable as regular radios sans phono. I have a Westinghouse
>WR-7 (which is not listed in the one price guide I have). I am curious
>as to how valuable it really is. I got it from a colleague of my wife's
>whose daughter was going to fix it up. It is a radio with a phono
>player that also *records* records. The phono player is intact and
>
>
>2) There's NO RADIO! The daughter took it out to refinish the cabinet
>   and it got lost when she didn't finish the job. (The original
>   speaker is still there)
>
>So, given those two considerations, what should I do with it?
>
True, most combos are worthless, but your's may be worth looking into.  Some of
 the early 30's, top of the line, with lots off fancy " stuff"  are desirable.
BUT, with out a chassis, it's woth nothing as a radio, is it?  Myself, I would
hang on to it (space permitting) and try to locate a chassis.  If you're not re
ally into radios it won't be easy.  If you were, you just advertise that you're
 looking for chassis or parts set.  The ARC is the magazine to advertise in.
(30 cents a word for nonsubscribers).  Of course, there are no guarantees you'l
l get a responce.  If you were a member of a radio club, you could keep your ey
es open at the swap meets.  It may take a year or two, but sooner or later, you
 alwys seem to find what you need.  I own a WR-8 and a WR-8R which are 1930 mod
els, therefore yours is a 1929 or 1930 model.  I'm willing to bet that the chas
sis you need is used in other sets.  There is a RCA and GE set (or several) tha
t use it.  Mine, for example uses a Radiola 80 type chassis.  If you decide to
go for it, let me know and I'll see if I can get you some service info and chas
sis interchangability.  When I say interchangable chassis, I don't mean "anythi
ng that fits in the hole".  I mean the proper chassis that just so happens to b
e used in other sets.  Spencer Doggett.
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From: mike@cc.gatech.edu (Mike McCracken)
Subject: The Art that is Life
Organization: Software Research Center, Georgia Tech.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:24:30 GMT


>  I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know where I could get a
>copy of "The Art That is Life", the catalogue of the Boston exhibition
>(1987, I believe)?  I attended, but wasn't interested enough in those
>days to pick it up.  I've talked to the folks at the MFA bookstore,
>and they say, "Hah!  If had a nickel for everyone who asked...".
>Apparently they can't simply reprint it because they are not the sole
>owners of the copyright.  

>        -- Richard

>P.S. Have you noticed that most Arts & Crafts catalogues or books
>feature Greene & Greene furniture on the cover?  (Mild exaggeration :-)

Sorry, I had to do this by hand, seems my XRN got fried or something.

I have also been looking for a copy, since I made a similar mistake when the 
exhibit occurred (I also think they drastically underestimated the demand for 
the book).
To date, I have found 3 copies.
1.  Had a book dealer search for it, they found one, priced at $175
2.  Dave Rago advertised on in the Arts and Crafts Quarterly, priced at $150 (I 
think).
3.  Saw one advertised somewhere else for the same price.

Thus, I am not the happy owner of one, since I am too cheap to pay such a high 
price for the book.  Someday, I may regret that, but I'll just keep looking.
If you are not concerned about the price, get a major book dealer (rare and used
type), to do a search, one should pop up. 

re, your comment about Greene and Greene.  It does seem to make a nice cover on
the coffee table books that have been coming out lately.  

Mike
From: jeffa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Alley)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:14:40 GMT
Subject: Old Disney Ceramics
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.antiques


I collect older Disney character ceramics and was wondering if anyone else
out there collects these? They aren't truely antiques, but ones from the
1930's and 1940's are getting close! I'm especially interested in the
Haagen-Rennaker line of miniature ceramics from the 1950's and 1960's and
would like to find a source to purchase some.

Thanks.

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Xref: sparky rec.antiques:1530 rec.music.makers:10938 misc.consumers:19041
From: wunder@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Wunderlick)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques,rec.music.makers,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: How to buy a piano
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:05:37 GMT
Reply-To: wunder@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Wunderlick)
Followup-To: rec.antiques
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.consumers, mdc@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark D. Crimmins) writes:
>
>Can anyone recommend a way of going about our search?  Is there a
>guide to buying pianos that anyone can recommend?  I'd be glad to get
>any advice & tales of experience.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark Crimmins
>mdc@crux1.cit.cornell.edu


Pick up a copy of "The Piano Book" by Larry Fine.  I'm in the same boat
you are WRT buying a piano, and this book is outstanding in covering
how to buy new/used pianos and what to look for.  It lists feedback
from piano shop technicians on which brands are easier to maintain,
which appear to last longer, etc.  It also goes into the basics of pianos
(i.e., what all the parts are, history of pianos, how all the parts
work).  One of the chapters I found most interesting discusses the history
of each brand-name,  This tells you what years certain pianos were or
were not well built, and what models are "related" to each other.

I haven't reviewed this book with the time it really needs.  I would
suggest going to your bookstore and finding a copy.

Bob Wunderlick
David Taylor Model Basin
Carderock Division HQ, Naval Surface Warfare Center
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   (DTMBCDHQNSWC - whew!)
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From: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Old Foreign Money
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:41:45 GMT




11-NOV-1992 11:36:39.17
 

I found a "Dominion of Canada" 25 cent note from 1900 in an old book, 
the date on the note is Jan 2, 1900 and is in fair shape. I can't imagine 
there are too many of these floating around and am curious of the value. 
Do any of you money collectors out there know if it is worth anything?


Thanks in advance





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From: mdc@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark D. Crimmins)
Subject: How to buy a piano
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:38:46 GMT


Hi all, My spouse & I are starting to look for a piano, and we're a
bit ignorant about how to best go about it.  We're flexible as to
price (well, up to the 5K neighborhood, anyhow), and new/used/antique,
though I guess I would prefer a funky antique, all else equal.  Size
is important, though; we can only fit a spinet or upright, and I guess
the narrower the better (front to back).  Neither of us is a virtuoso,
but I really hate out-of-tune sounding pianos & I think we'd
appreciate nice tone and reasonable action.  Big volume is definitely
not needed.

I know some of the new electronic pianos are supposed to sound good,
but I just can't see it for us (besides, I imagine they don't hold
their value very well, with the march of technology and all).

Can anyone recommend a way of going about our search?  Is there a
guide to buying pianos that anyone can recommend?  I'd be glad to get
any advice & tales of experience.

Thanks,
Mark Crimmins
mdc@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
From: SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Help for old Sylvania TV set
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:51:49 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <92Nov10.233529est.47525@neat.cs.toronto.edu>
veatch@cs.toronto.edu (Tim Veatch) writes:

>This is what I get off of the back of the thing:
>
>   Sylvania Model # 21C502W
>   Licensed by Canadian Radio Patents Limited
>   patented 1935-1953 incl.
>   Manufactured by Sylvania Electric Canada Ltd. Dunville ONT
>   for Northern Electric Co. Lmt.
>Any books which mention it?  Can I still get schematics?
>
>in the bottom.  Does anyone know what the legs would have looked like?
>Better yet - would there be a book anywhere with a picture of it?
>3)  Are tubes still available for this model?  Do shops have tube testers
>reasonable assumption?  A book I'm looking at just says that the
>`vertical deflection system has failed'.
>
>
   "The Big Mall", I like that!  Call your area libraries and ask if they carry
 Sam's Photofacts.  Ask for 352-16.  When you get it, you'll notice a date on t
he bottom.  Your set was made in 1957.  Also you'll notice a big photo staring
at you.  Hopefully, this will answer your leg question.  Sam's also includes (a
t least on the newer ones) a short list of probable cause for failures such as
yours.  As far as tubes, if you buy them from the traditional sources, repair s
hops, etc, you're going to pay thru the nose, IF you can find them.  One sugg
estion is going to a ham swap meet to find them.  In my area there are always a
 couple of people with all kinds of new tubes for sale from 1 to 3 dollars each
  As far as value, if you like it's looks, thats what really counts.  It's val
ue as an antique is next to nothing.  Spencer Doggett.



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From: watpod78@alfred.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: old bottles
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:20:11 GMT

The second bottle you list is definitely an old liquor bottle, without
having seen it I'd class it a french wine.  The French were more
inclined to the "ball" in the middle of the kickup (the pushed up part
on the bottom).  Unless it has a seal on the side ( a glob of glass
with an imprint, like a wax seal on a letter), don't expect to get
rich.  If it's in pristine condition (original lustre, no chips,
cracks), a black glass collector might be interested in it.

As for the first one...??
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