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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Info. wanted on ZipGS
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:03:40 GMT

cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman) writes:



>I'm thinking about buying the ZipGS 7 Mhz 8K cache from TMS for 138.95.
>Does anyone know if there are any problems with using this card on the
>following system:
[Standard system description]

Yes, the ZIP will work with that. Why should it not?

>Also, I'd like to know if this card can be easily (and cheaply??)
>beefed up when I want to.  I can't see spending $50 more right now
>for 1 more Megahertz and 8K more cache.

As to easily ... well, depends if you already have small sockets in
there. Probably not. That means that if you want to upgrade you have to
desolder them and replace them. Needs some expertise, but can be done
(as my ZIP proves). I do not know if the fact that only 32k work reliably
on my ZIP with 12 MHz is related to my buying a 7/8 and if that would not
have happened with a more expensive ZIP to start from. But then, given
the current caching scheme, the diff between 32k and 64k was not significant
for me with 7 MHz, so why should it be at 12?

>Lastly, is TMS an OK place to buy from?

I'd say yes.

Soenke
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From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: >Matt D, event journaling
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  9 Oct 92 00:13:11 GMT

>>Matt Deatherage
 
Since it has come up twice (to my knowledge) recently and at least one program
(RunQ) uses it, perhaps the fact that the event journaling mechanism is broken
should be documented. Maybe in the Toolbox Ref corrections TN.
 
Jay
 
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From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Prodos 8 Quit Paramaters Needed...
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University


	Well, it seems my ProDOS 8 Technical Reference (Thanks for the
book, Dave!) is a little bit older than the rest, and it doesn't
document the ProDOS 8 quit call, or more correctly there wasn't a p8
quit call at the time.

	At any rate, I'm writing a small system file, and I need to
know the P8 quit parameters...  The important thing is how to quit to
another application, and if there is a way to stack your app, so it
will be returned upon quit.

Thanks


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From: platkus@meese.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: SHOWME.NDA
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:42:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


I downloaded an NDA called SHOWME that was suppose to replace the SHOWPIC 6.1
NDA, but I couldn't find anything that would unpack this.  It shows in the
finder as an Archival Library, but nothing I have will touch it.

Any suggestions?

-Shawn

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From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: multi-tasker/switcher...
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:43:11 PST
Organization: BBS

Well, I was checking through cco.caltech as usual.  Since there are no new
uploads, I decided to grab anything...
 
There was MultiMaster, at first I thought it has to do with fonts.  After I
unbinsciied it and unshrinked it, I found out it's a little s16 ( 15k )
application that seems to let you have multiple programs open.
 
Has anyone else played with this?  I am actually able to load several
applications at once ( unlike LeapFrog, which never really worked ).  There is
a option to select multitasking method - switching or backgrounding.
Switching works pretty good, while backgrounding tend to cae crashes.
 
There was no docs included, the author is Kris Oleson ( from "about" ).  Anyone
havee info about this program?
 
Anyone know if Kris has an e-mail address?  He also wrote GUImaster... and
couple of other things.  The last modification date on this file was about Oct,
1991...  Version 1.0b.  Anyone have a newer version?
 
How's this program compare to "SwitchIt"?
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From: achauhan@warsaw.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Re: Proline software & MDSS (was Re: UUCP for Apple II?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:50:12 GMT

Mark de Jong writes
> FYI: Neither MDSS nor ProLine are in the public domain. They are both  
products
> written and supported by Morgan Davis and MDG. For more information about
> these products, please call (voice) 1-619-670-0563 or call their ProLine BBS,
> pro-sol, at 1-619-670-5379.

Ok...let's clarify what I said.  MDSS as in the AppleSoft version is supported  
by and was written by Morgan Davis.  However, I am not aware of a program  
called MDSS that exists for the UNIX community.

Morgan Davis recently completed a program that would allow a UNIX machine to  
talk to a ProLine site easily.  I am not sure if this program is available in  
the public domain or for that matter, through the Morgan Davis Group.

> 	-- Mark de Jong

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From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Recipee Software Wanted for the //GS
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:54:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <JHmesB2w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, by bmjohnso@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Brian Johnson):
>  
> I have also been looking for a recipee program for my //GS.

There are three answers I can come up with quickly. They all involve
AppleWorks Classic using a DB and an associated WP file. The idea is to
have a DB file that lists the receipe and what ever attributes you feel
are necessary i.e, hot, entree Y/N, etc., an the receipe itself in an
associated WP file. All solutions require UltraMacros of some vintige.
The answers are:

1. Magic File Cabinet, $15. I bought it and dropped it when Ultramacros
   4.0 came out and the author decided to stay with UM 3.1. UM 3.1 and
   4.0 can coexist, however, it requires booting Appleworks again.
   There is an awful lot of screen flashing with this product.

2. Steve Beville has a similar product, DB Link, for $10 plus $2.00
   s/h. I don't have it, however, Randy said he liked it. My
   understanding of this product is that each DB entry can point to a
   different WP file. You are limited to the 12 total files limit on
   the desktop so 11 WP files is the max. Not too shabby. See NAUG Vol
   VII, No 4 for details on Steve's product.

3. Randy Brandt's Total Control $79. It is very smooth and much faster
   than Magic File Cabinet. Its only drawback is that the WP file is
   limited to 2,000 lines. If your recepies will need less lines then
   this is the most polished product. Total Control also does much more
   than the previous products so don't base your decision on price
   alone. (If you are a NAUG member Randy MIGHT still honor the $45 +
   $2.50 s/h offer that expired the end of August.)
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From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: .gif and .jpg converter for IIgs?
Keywords: .gif IIgs
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:17:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent1.dsblack.719047038
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <tkris.718704252@crash.cts.com> tkris@crash.cts.com (T. Kris Kasner) writes:

>Does anyone know if there is a Public domain .gif .jpg
>converter for the //gs? I'm a tad on the new side of looking
>through FTP's and the like, so if someone with the answer to
>my question would be kind enough to be specific in how I would
>go about getting such a thing, saying it exists,
>I'd greatly appriciate it if you could Mail me a reply
>Thanks in advance!

I would very much appreciate this sort of info, also.  A friend and I have 
been working for... well, way too long... on trying to unshrink some files
we found, and for one of a million reasons, they don't work
Does anyone have a file for the GS that is READY TO GO that they could post
and/or mail me?  I need to convert GIF's...would like info on viewing on the
screen and converting to DeluxePaint (which wouldn't be as good quality as
viewing on the screen).  
Thanx much in advance!
From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: AppleTalk ImageWriters and AppleWorks
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:03:18 GMT
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH

How do I get AppleWorks Classic (3.0) to talk to an AppleTalk ImageWriter?
At home, I have a GS with a mid-size hard drive and AppleWorks GS.  Therefore
it is not a problem for me to do at home.  The problem is that the same
thing does NOT work at the local middle school.  They want me to hook
up a GS (fortunately it's a GS!) running AppleWorks 3.0 off floppy (no HD
anywhere for the GS - lots for the Macs, but not the GS) to an ImageWriter
II with AppleTalk option.

I say it isn't possible.  Am I right?
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From: POSTMASTER@MC.DUKE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: WordPerfect for IIGS
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:34:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: mc.01GPPYGRPRW200E51J
Distribution: world
Organization: Duke University Medical Center, Durham NC, USA

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From: irie@husc11.harvard.edu (Robert E. Irie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: InfoSnarf and Zork I re-release???
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:59:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc11.IRIE.92Oct14225928
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 -Muenchen.DE><1992Oct6.103920.1194@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE><1biaaiINN697@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: phelps@ginkgo.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 14 Oct 92 23:26:10 GMT

Speaking of Infocompro, I am trying to port the new version of
the InfoTaskForce's infocom interpreter for gno. (I think another
person is doing the same. Can he mail me?) It should
handle the new series, up to version 5. This means that the 
Lost Treasures of  Infocom Volume II will be playable.

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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS/OS calls - gs16forth.text usage
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:00:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct9.151448.19845@yang.earlham.edu>,
deviant@yang.earlham.edu wrote:
> 
> 
> I need to make GS/OS calls using GS16FORTH II and though Warren Stones 
> Documentation is good, I still need information on GS/OS.
> 
> Where do I find this information other than from Super Info III?
> Are there technotes?  Where could I find them or could someone post/send 
> them?
> 
GS/OS is documented in the "GS/OS Reference," available from Addison-Wesley
for a few years now.  Your local bookstore should be able to get it for
you.

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From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Accelerators (was: Re: Resurrection!!!!!)
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:56:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.223306.19642@gallant.apple.com> Matt Ackeret <unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu> writes:
>
>>   Most current GS software require a hardrive and accelerator to run
>smoothly,
>
>No way. I will agree on the hard drive issue, not with the accelerator
>issue.

I agree.  An accelerator for most people is unnecessary.  Although I would
like a nifty toy like a Zip GS, I really don't have any justifiable use
for it.  Reasons I would consider such a purchase is:

   1) Programming compilation, which can take awhile (especially in ORCA)
   2) Graphics conversions or generation (such as big GIF files or Mandelbrot)
   3) "Out of This World" when it is released

I certainly don't think everybody NEEDS an accelerator just to run their
computer.  However, anyone who does buy one would probably never go back
to the stock 2.8 MHz speed.
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From: pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer)
Subject: Re: Accelerators (was: Re: Resurrection!!!!!)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:17:51 GMT

>> 
>> So am I to understand that an 8 MHz Zip chip will not work with a
>> No-Slot-Clock???  This would be very bad, as I already have an NSC in my
>> //c and have just bought a Zip that is shipping right now!
>> 
>> Please tell me it aint so!
>
>In a IIc?  Sorry - you're out of luck.  If the No Slot Clock is under
>the motherboard ROM, the ZIP/NSC combination will cause the NSC to
>stop working (at best) or the computer to crash continuously (at worst).
>
>In a IIe, you have the option of placing the No Slot Clock under a ROM
>on a card in one of the slots, which is not cached by the ZIP, hence
>no problem arises.
>
>There are no slots on a IIc, so no alternative position for the No
Slot Clock.
I have a no slot clock chip installed under a motherboard ROM on a 2e with
an 8 mhz zip chip and everything works just fine. This system has been flaw-
less for the last year or so.
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From: bmjohnso@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Brian Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Recipee Software Wanted for the //GS
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 20:11:18 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

 
I have also been looking for a recipee program for my //GS. If anyone has
seen an application of this sort, please post any information or E-Mail 
me.
 
Thanks...
 
Brian Johnson
WINNIPEG, Manitoba, Canada
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:03:55 EDT
From: <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GSHK in the future

In article <1bkvcaINN7eq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark
Spaeth) says:
>
>>[Stuff about Binscii in GSHK deleted!]
>
>whoa... that would be very convenient... especially if you could throw in
>uuen/decoding too...
>
>Just thik of binscii, uucoding, shrinking, zipping, unixcompressing, LZH,
>all in one program... wow =-D

Hmmm, and while we're at it, how 'bout BinHex, also?
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From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
Subject: Re: SUPRA MODEMS VS. USR
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:30:32 GMT

Looks like we're describing both sides of the same equation here. You
mentioned connection difficulties with 'older' HST Dual-Standards; I have
this exact same modem. The point I was trying to make was that the Supras
(along with some original Hayes attempts at v.32bis) are the ONLY
high-speed modems I've had problems connecting with. I connect just fine
with Telebits, other HSTs (natch), ZyXELs, Digicoms, MultiTechs, etc. The
only time I see a 9600 connection is when I'm calling a v.32-only modem
either directly or indirectly via a hunt-group.

The first time I saw this behavior I raised an eyebrow, when I was able to
repeat it with different Supras, I raised a mental red-flag. As to modem
configuration, the HSTs are a joy to configure -- infinitely flexible, very
forgiving. That I am able to run a BBS for six-plus years on USR equipment
with very few basic connect hassles with my users' equipment, leads me to
believe that I got it right.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say we need more data. I'm
willing to believe that Paul and I had isolated-case experiences here. I'm
open to being proved wrong here, it's just that in the immortal words of
Han Solo: "I have a bad feeling about this."

(Wanders off mumbling something about I see the Supra as half-broken, you
see it as half-fixed. Hmm...)

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Subject: Re: ShrinkIt GS 1.1
From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:26:05 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Oct12.124222.27023@actrix.gen.nz>, David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> Has anyone succeeded extracting the new version of GSHK?
> 
> I downloaded it successfully, but launching it produces an error $1104
> ("File is not load file").  As far as I can tell (using DUMPOBJ), the
> second load segment 'archive' (static skip code segment) has a large
> run of zero bytes near the beginning, and DUMPOBJ thinks that one of
> these zero bytes is an END opcode.  It produces a warning about
> missing data.
> 

Same problem here. I just downloaded it from AOL and it worked.
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: memory card for //e style IIgs needed
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:31:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.1992Oct8.223159.3180
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

RANDY (cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu) wrote:
: I have an upgraded //e style IIgs which is in need of more memory. All the new
: memory cards I see don't look like they will fit in a //e case, because they
: are square in shape, not like the Apple 1 mb job, which has the top front 
: corner cut off. Can anyone out there recommend a card to try? I'd especially
: like one of those low buck Sequential cards if it will work.
: 


Actually, the SS RAM GS won't work, but try thw CVTech or Chinook Cards.. They may work..

: Randy Shackelford
: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (until I get my real username back)

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From: "Volker Herrmann" <CD46@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Apple ][ Emulator?
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:43:14 GMT

Hi,
There is an Apple II emulator available.

Try wuarchive.wustl.edu   /mirrors/msdos/emulators/apple2em.zip

It is like an Apple II+

Volker
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Another GSCII/SSCII bug
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:42:44 GMT

shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:

>Change the version number majorly to something like GSCII 2.0 or GSCII NT just
>so that people understand that it's something they -really- gotta have.

Hmm. Why go with large version jumps? As a rule, I'd only increment version
numbers by steps of 0.01 unless something really earth-shaking happens to
the code :)

Soenke
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From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
Subject: Re: AppleWorks GS problems
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:12:25 GMT

In article <m0mdFdK-0000WBC@crash.cts.com> kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan) writes:
>Hmmm, while not everything you've done matches, I'd suggest you go into your
>FONTS directory (and remove ALL of the BITMAPPED FONTS). Then see what

But make sure you keep them somewhere (i.e. don't throw them away). If you
don't you'll find your Fonts list somewhat lacking.  I hope you like
Chicago/Shaston, cuz that's all you'll have left unless you have PointLess
and some TT fonts.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Fast modems FAX software for the GS
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:12:27 GMT

I wonder if the difference folks are seeing are not modem problems per se but
cabling problems, serial port problems, clean quality of phone lines, etc.
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