From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:20:05 PST(-800)
Organization: The White Bull
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
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In article <BxIC1G.1Ju@newcastle.ac.uk> (soc.bi), J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
> 
> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
> >     J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
> >>miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
> >
> >>>Elf didn't say that he didn't like androgyny per se (which is his choice
> >>>in any case), he said he didn't like androgyny as some kind of "correct"
> >>>face of bisexuality (if I may interpret, slightly).
> >
> >>That wasn't my interpretation. He wasn't attacking "correctness" in general,
> >>he was attacking a specific group.
> >
> >   Correct.  And just as you're *allowed* to prefer bisexuals in
> >general, I'm *allowed* to reject, as an individual, mealymouthed,
> >incense-burning new age idiots who insist until they're red in the face
> >that they haven't got an ounce of agression in them and that "[I'm]
> >just part of the patriarchy" because my S/m scenes sometimes epitomize
> >agression and masculinity, _and_ agression _as_ masculinity.
> 
> Of course you are dear, nobody has said anything isn't *allowed*.
> 
> >   Clue to this, Jon.  It strikes me that we're soooo accepting of the
> >beliefs of others.  It's _okay_ for gay men to find women
> >uninteresting.  It's _okay_ for straight people to find members of the
> >opposite sex exclusively exciting.  If someone came in here and said
> >"I don't find redheads exciting," they'd get a lot of pouts, but I
> >doubt anyone would question their right to feel that way.  But to say
> >"I don't find blacks exciting," is to court a lynching at the hands of
> >the mob, apparently with you in the lead.
> 
> Not a fair analogy. You didn't just say you didn't find androgyny exciting,
> you said you didn't like them. And more to the point - and this is what
> my post objected to - you used soc.bi to do it. If you went into an ethnic
> meeting-place and shouted "I don't like blacks" I might be more inclined
> to leave you to the mob.

Jon, lets try this one more time.  I read Elf as saying that he did not
like being told by New Age Bisexuals that *he* had to like androgyny. 
In fact, they put him down because he is attracted to masculine and
feminine traits in people.  This does not sound to me as is Elf is
oppressing the New Age Bisexuals but rather the other way around.  They
are trying to tell him how he should choose his lovers.  

Now Elf does not find Androgyny exciting, that is his choice.  I did
not read him as being against them, just not wanting to have sex with
them.  How is that opressive?  Or is sex with Elf suddenly a "God"
given right? :-)  The people that Elf does not want to even be around
are the New Age people who are trying to tell him how to live his life.
This sounds like more a case of saying in an ethnic meeting-place that
you are not sexually attracted blacks and being told that you should
have sex with blacks anyway.

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