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From: sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: Heliskiing - was Re: Banff
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:39:03 CDT


Heliskiing is an experience.  You get on a helicopter, they fly you to the
top of some untouched slopes and you then ski (typically) knee deep powder
to a lower point where the helicopter picks you up again.

Well, I've heard some places in Colorado just drop you off and you ski back
to the ski area.  When I went in Canada I got 4 runs in and the company sells
camping-type packages of up to a week long.

Major fun.
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From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:54:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug13.161520.1504@advtech.uswest.com>, 
|> no no no no.  Ski Vail.

No, no, no, ski Sqwaw.  According to Glen, its the only REAL slope
in North America

jim t
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From: gcf28@cas.org (;A/PG)
Subject: Ski Apparel
Organization: Columbus State Cummunity College , Columbus , Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:17:41 GMT



   Does anyone know of any Ski Apparel Catalogs that I can subscribe to?

   I would really appreciate it , Columbus doesn't exactly have an over-

   whelming selection!
			     Thanks,

				   Gwen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: drbill@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.davies)
Subject: Re: Salida, Colorado--Monarch Ski Area?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.192651.42371@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>My parents are getting a cabin in Salida, Colorado.  Monarch Ski Area
>is right near there (18 miles).  I've never been there.  How is it?
>I do know that the vertical is not all that hot (1000 feet).  Anyone
>been there?
>

You're right about the vertical . . . only a thousand . . . however,
the primo snow conditions and lack of heavy tourist crowds more than
make up for it!  When I lived in Manitou Springs (just west of Colorado
Springs), it was my area of choice (and many friends did the same).
There's decent bump skiing on High Anxiety, JR's Run, Christmas Tree,
and some great snow covered rocks for getting air under the chairs.
Just about any part of the mountain is great skiing after a fresh dump
of powder, but I especially liked Shotgun and the run next to it (can't
remember the name right now, but the trees made it exciting).

Bill Davies, drbill@alux2.att.com
Live Slow, Ski Fast . . . .
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: How to get the rec.skiing FAQ
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:31:47 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, djm408@tijc02.uucp (David Marks) writes:

 Sorry, but e-mail to david just *isn't* makin' it through!!
 David, you got another e-mail address that I can use???


>   I recently posted an FAQ on southern U.S. skiing. 

 I'd like to include this in the big honkin' FAQ, but I'd like your
 permission first!

> I have also considered an FAQ on the National Ski Patrol.

 There is an NSP section of the FAQ that is currently under construction.
 Presently the questions include:

  "How do I join the National Ski Patrol?"
  "What does the National Ski Patrol Do?"
  "Why should I join the National Ski Patrol?"
  "Is it true that patrollers ski for free?"

 More questions, or more answers to these questions would be cool.

 FAQ sections that have not yet been posted:

     faq.nsp         National Ski Patrol
     faq.inj         Questions about injuries
     faq.sus         Southern US
     faq.shms        Southern Hemisphere
     faq.eu          Europe

 Anybody wanna add some more?
    

 ..glen
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:55:02 GMT
Subject: Re: New Mexico conditions in February????
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Billy Bob "Leroy") writes:

> [..stuff..]

 Heee's Baaaaack!


 ..glen "stayin' out of the water"
From: klaus@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:02:36 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Aug13.203605.27137@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>IF people HAVE TO GO TO UTAH, let them ski Deer Valley.  Or at worse
>Park City.  And make certain they get religious tracts.

First, no one HAS to ski Utah. With Colorado so close, it is much
better to go there. And you can even get beer in Colorado. I know I
drive to Colorado each weekend from Utah because of the quality ski
experiance to be had there. Would you believe they even have bars and
dancing? No funny undies. And the snow is much better.

But, if you must ski Park City, please remember that it is imperative
that you stay on the lower mountain where all the good skiing is. The
upper mountain, especially Jupiter Bowl, is very crowded, windblown,
has no terrain worthy of being skied, requires lots of hiking, takes
hours to get to, is extremely rocky, and is patrolled by gorp eating,
three pinning, rec.skiing.nazis, that will tear your arms off and beat
you to death with the wet end just for traversing across a (lousy)
run.  Besides all that, the lift is constantly breaking leaving you
stranded and not able to get to the other lifts except by walking
miles and then there is the danger of avalanches.

If you go to Deer Valley, make sure to stay on the front of the mountain.
Mayflower Bowl sucks! Especially after you've paid good money for that
immaculate grooming. And speaking of grooming... remember to shave if
you plan on skiing at DV. :) (Hi Janis!). Beaver Creek is much better.

Ski Gorgoza. The Backside is awesome.. can't see it from the road.

Warning! While Utah does not have many snow snakes, white salamanders
have been known to cause death through explosions.

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

		Everytime I hear the term twisted pair...
		I think of this couple I used to know.
From: johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Page me for powder (Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/7)
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:59:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1340297@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bake Glenner) 
writes:

> 8.07) "How do I ski powder?"

>   Don't!  Under no conditions should you ever ski powder! You could be 
>   buried, lose your skis, catch an edge, etc.  Leave it for the experts. 
>   If there's more than 36 inches of it, page me, I'll come and track 
>   that nasty powder down, making it safe for you and your friends.

For improved response time in Colorado, Ootah and Wyoming, page John Cooley.
Page number (303) 498-XXXX, digital pager number 3962.  Self-documenting
user prompts.  An emergency powder masher-downer will be dispatched
IMMEDIATELY!  4WD Suburban stocked with 3 pairs of skis, cooler and powder
suit.  Arrival guaranteed.

    John Cooley

 (I really do have a pager, but if very many people actually called it,
(say, as a prank) my life could get difficult.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sblau@sallust.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Seth D. Blau)
Subject: Re: Monty Python and the Quest for the FAQ
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:27:59 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <632@dwp.la.ca.us>  writes:
> I've written mini FAQ's on Summit County CO and Southern CA.  I am more
> than happy to email them or even post them if there is enough interest.
> 
>   
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
> carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
> 213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012

Hey Carlson,
I was wondering if you wouldn't mind emailing me a copy of your 
Summit County FAQ.
I'm planning to spend the year after i graduate (next winter) skiing,
and I'm beginning the search for the right destination..
Thanks in advance

Seth Blau
seth.blau@um.cc.umich.edu
sblau@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu
From: rizzi@netcom.com (mike rizzi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:15:12 GMT
Organization: There is no DANGER



eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Well!  Unlimited vertical is pretty rare.  You should take this.

	Actually, there are reasons the operators offer of unlimited
	vertical exists.  That early in the season the days are
	shorter, hence, less flying time.  There is a higher chance
	that there won't be a decent snow base which can limit the
	quantity and variety of terrain.  Also, the weather has
	the more potential of keeping the birds from flying at all.

	As you can see, the operators aren't being THAT altruistic!
	But if you luck out, it can be an awesome week for a much
	more reasonable price.  Kinda like taking a chance with
	high-risk stocks.

m:)ke
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From: rmb@bnr.ca (Rick Blaiklock)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:38:19 GMT
     <1992Aug13.053136.22315@micor.ocunix.on.ca>
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Aug13.053136.22315@micor.ocunix.on.ca> Marc Sira,
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>In article <397@mx1> clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:

Accoprding to an optometrist/skiier I know a yellow lens is the preferred
lens 
for outdoor activities in low contrast.
I'm partial to Oakley myself, but the irridium coating on the lens seems
to 
scratch if you breathe on it the wrong way, so you can imagine the
results of
doing a face plant :*).

This same optometrist tells me that a blue lens is best for driving (he
uses
Serrengetti Drivers), but I've forgotten the details why.

...Rick
--------------------------------
Rick Blaiklock
Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Ottawa, Canada
internet: rmb@bnr.ca
From: shieh@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:53:21 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin
Originator: shieh@racerx



Hi,
	I've been dreaming for almost a year about skiing
Alta, but plans didn't work out.  So, I'll have to "settle"
for Park City.  I've heard that Deer Valley only sells an
alloted number of tickets each day.  Are you supposed to phone
ahead and buy a ticket if you want to be sure of getting
a lift ticket.  Also, I've never been to Utah, so is Deer
Valley worth the trouble?  Or should I just stick to Park
City?

	No flames please, it'll melt the snow.....


				Johnny
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:50:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.055430.5565@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
>#include <std/rhetoric>
>/* probably less dangerous than crossing the road though (except Ca.) */

Actually it is one of the few activities more dangerous than driving or
crossing the road.  At least millions drive.  Few heliski.  SO proportionally
the death rate is higher.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:14:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <fd0mqgr.rizzi@netcom.com> rizzi@netcom.com (mike rizzi) writes:
>grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>>>one week (7 days) the week of Jan2-9 is $3770.00 Canadian dollars. But you 
>>>have to add %7 for Canadian Goods and Services tax. 
>>You may want to check into getting the GST refunded.  The brochure I got
>>when I was in Canada recently said non-residents can get a refund if they
>>spend over $100 total, on most items.  (only exception I can remember was
>>restaurant meals). 
>	But they only apply GST to Lodging and Goods (NOT services),

It is called the Goods and Services tax, and definately applies to
services.

Crispin
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject:  Utah question
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:38:30 GMT



Hi. Sorry if this is a duplicate, but I tried posting it and
it didn't seem to work. So I'm sending it again.

We plan on skiing in Utah this winter.  I've never been
there, so have never had to worry about renting a condo there
before.  I called several condo rental places and found two
that had what we were looking for (the third company is
sending some brochures so I'm not sure if they have what we
want).  I was wondering if anyone on the net had any 
experiences (good or bad) with either of these companies:

	 Utah Ski Retreats 
	 Utah Snow Adventures
	 Accent Ski Accommodations

Please email any responses as news doesn't seem to be updating
properly, and I'd hate to miss anyone's post.

I also want to thank everyone  in who replied to my 
question about ski boot fitting.

thanks in advance,
jan



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Xref: sparky rec.skiing:5392 rec.sport.disc:1797
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.sport.disc
Subject: Knees/ACL injuries
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:20:45 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

Hi Folks,
	I'm looking for some advice from other people who have injured their
knees, specifically torn ACL's. I just saw my regular doctor yesterday for an
injury that happened in a game about 2 weeks ago (he was on vacation so I saw
another doctor in the interim but he wasn't much help). He said that he's
pretty sure I "popped" my ACL, I'm having an MRI done Monday AM to confirm
that. He gave me 2 possible courses of action that I listed below. If anyone has
had this same type of injury (I know there's lots of you out there, I've seen
the braces ;^) ), I'd really appreciate it if you could give me advice as to
what you did and how its worked out for you. I'm not looking for medical opinions,
although I welcome them if there are any doctors on the net, just advice as to
what I can expect and whether or not I should seriously consider taking option 2
below and have my knee reconstructed. BTW, I'm 31, hope to continue playing Ult-
imate for at least another 10 years, and I ski and rollerblade a lot.


Note: These both assume that the MRI confirms a torn ACL, if not then I have
no clue whats next.

1) Go to physical therapy to work on strengthening my hamstring because it
   can partially take over the job my ACL was doing. Get fitted for a brace 
   to wear when I'm skiing or playing Ultimate.

2) Have a reconstruction done in which case they'd actually replace my ACL
   with a ligament/tendon from another part of my knee. He said that in the
   end my knee would be even stronger than it was originally because they'd
   use a bigger (about 120%) ligament but that it would take 9 months to 1
   year to recover full strength.

If you could tell me if your injury is similiar or not, what you've done
for it, and how its worked out I'd really appreciate it. This injury has got
me just a bit bummed out. TIA


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rankin@scubed.com (Tom Rankin)
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Reply-To: rankin@coondog.scubed.com
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:28:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.060358.6235@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
|> In article <13AUG199207472272@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> focstea@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CHRISTOPHER STEARNS) writes:
|> >However, he told me that skiing puts your knees in their 
|> >strongest position (providing your using proper form) they can be in and 
|> >the chances of collision are much smaller (this may depend on where you ski.
|> 
|> While you can damage your knees with enough hard use (bumps * years), it
|> is more likely to occur in a fall.  This is "not proper form," but happens
|> anyway.
|> 
|> In particular, when the knee is bent at 90 degrees it is just about at its
|> weakest.  A big danger is in backward twisting falls, where the torque
|> applied to the knee in this position can tear the ligaments.

This last statement about a bent knee being its weakest is not entirely true.

If you should happen to land on your tails after being airborne, and your knee
is perfectly (or nearly) straight, it is exposed to one of the highest risks
for anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) damage.  In this situation, the skis want
to slap down onto the snow.  Assuming you do not release from your toepiece,
your boot will follow your ski to the snow.  The high back of the boot then
imparts a forward force to the back of your calf, causing an anterior shift of
the lower leg with respect to the upper leg (the tibial plateau experiences an
anterior shear with respect to the femur).  Since the ACL is the main player in
preventing such an anterior shift (your leg muscles are not as involved as in
the bent-leg scenario -- see below), it experiences the greatest load and is,
therefore, subject to a higher risk of damage.

Now, examine the same "tail strike" incident, but with a bent knee.  Your
quads are attached to the patellar tendon...together acting like a strap
holding your knee together from the front.  In back, your hamstrings are
actually pulling on the tibia to help hold it in place.  Neither of these
muscle/tendon groups are as active or effective in holding the knee together
if the leg is straightened.

Unfortunately, I speak from personal experience.  As would Holly Flanders (who
did both of her ACL's simultaneously) and a number of other downhill ski racers
who have experienced the all-too-often occurence of landing straight-legged on
the tails of their skis after sailing off a bump.  It is a very common ACL
injury scenario.

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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Bethould lifts to be reposessed...
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:30:06 GMT

From the Denver Post, 8/14/92; reprinted without
permission. Errors are the OCR, not me....

Berthoud lifts to be reposessed

Ruling could spell end to ski area
By Drew Elder

A bankruptcy judge has given creditors permission to repossess
3-year-old lift equipment at Berthoud Pass Ski Area and sell it to
raise the more than $300,000 they are owed.  Berthoud Pass, Colorado's
second oldest ski area and the first to have any kind of lift, will
never open again, if U.S. Forest Service officials have their way.
Despite that, the owner of the ski operation, through a spokeswoman,
vowed to reopen this season.  The troubled Berthoud Pass Ski Corp.
currently under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, could have its ski
lifts and other equipment repossessed by creditors as early as next
week.

The company was forced to file for bankruptcy protection when the
Forest Service revoked the area's special use permit last fall, which
prevented them from operating. The permit wasn't due to expire for
28 years.  "They were simply incapable of running the area within
our conditions, so we canceled their permit", said Austin Condon,
a regional supervisor for the Forest Service.

CHRONOLOGY

1937 The Berthoud Pass Ski Area opens. It is the state's second ski
resort, and the first with a lift. Berthoud's base is 11,314 feat?,
the highest in Colorado. It is operated by the city of Denver.

1947 Berthoud Pass Installs the first double chairlift in North
America.

1977 The ski area is sold to Clarence Garst.

1987 Timberline Mountains Inc. buys Berthoud Pass Ski Area and renames
it Timberllne Ski Area.

1988 Timberline files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and the ski
area closes.

1989 Gary Schulz buys Berthoud for $350,000, spends $3 million on new
ski lifts for the area, and reopens it In November.

1991 The resort files Chapter 11 bankruptcy again and the ski area
closes again.

1992 A bankruptcy-court judge allows creditors ownng the lifts at
Barthoud Pass to secure permits to dismantle and repossess them.
Schulz maintains he'll reopen the resort for a new season.


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: Re: Banff
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:34:29 CDT


In article <71131@apple.Apple.COM> chmilar@Apple.COM (Michael Chmilar) writes:

>5)  Nakiska             (Has problems with ice, high winds, and poor snow
>                         coverage.  Lots of man-made snow.  Rumoured to be
>                         very good _if_ you can catch it after a good dump.)

Well, I got lucky then.  We had 5" of new snow the night before we skiied there.
They actually recommended the groomed runs.  Instead, we found the untouched 
slopes and made tracks!
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From: klkarp@acdc.rutgers.edu (klk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Breckinridge
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:43:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I was thinking of going to Breckinridge (sp?) Jan '93.  Could anyone
give me opinions of there?  Weather, nightlife, trails, anykind would
be appreciated.

thanks