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From: liz@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Liz Highleyman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:36:05 GMT
	<1992Aug25.230223.26984@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <iw.714792462@tosser>
Organization: Free


In article <iw.714792462@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:

   slh7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Suzanne Lacroix Hurley) writes:

   >>Muffy, the reasons why are too numerous to discuss here.
   >>Suffice it to say that the people who belong to BCA like it
   >>better that way.  Duogamy is a relationship with two
   >>people, ususally one of each sex. If you'd like to learn more,
   >>write Robyn Margolis at BCA.  She'd love to discuss it with you
   >>further.   

 >  I would certainly be interested to see it discussed more here.
 >  Does anybody else have any information.

I am somewhat familiar with the Bicentrist Alliance...at least
I've read some of their literature and talked to people who know
their history.

 >  Does this notion of duogamy particularly involving partners of
 >  both sex reinforce the notion that bi's need to have both sexes to
 >  be satisfied.

I don't think so, since they specify either monogamy or duogamy.

 >  If duogamy why not polyamory, I just don't get it.

Basically, my understanding is that Robin Margolis and others
broke away from an existing DC bi group because they found that
group to leftist/liberal, too sexually radical, and too 
focused on the gay/lesbian community.  They wanted to form
a group that is more politically middle-of-the-road and
focused on bi, rather than les/gay/bi issues.  I understand
that they found the social events of the original group too
`cruisy' and not very comfortable for people in committed
closed relationships, as well as getting criticism about 
their closer-to-mainstream lifestyles.

For a political group, I personally oppose restricting
people of any sexual lifestyle, but for a social group it
makes more sense, since people in couple or triads might
very well be interested in different activities than 
swinging singles.

I also think that there is validity to a group choosing
to focus on bi rather than les/bi/gay issues...some bis are
just not very gay- or lesbian-identified.

I personally have no interest in a politically moderate
group, but it seems reasonable that people with different
views might want to work and play in different groups...
similar sexuality does not make us homogenous after all.
What I think is important is that the various groups
work together when they have common goals rather than
slagging each other off and arguing about who are ``better''
bisexuals.

-Liz

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Liz A. Highleyman                     MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
liz@ai.mit.edu                        Cambridge, MA  02139
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
From: pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 20:42:33 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote...
>[Ellen writes]
>>Then there's always:
>>The 'someone-please-remind-me-of-what-country-I'm-in-so-I-know-what-to-
>>call-that-item-across-the-room-without-folks-laughing-at-me' syndrome.
>Tell me about it, I still have a really hard time when ordering vegetables
>in the US, all the @*&^%#* names are different - after day one, I realised
>that Zuccini was in fact Courgette (and not, as I had previously imagined,
>some italian sausage), Eggplant was in fact Aubergine. 

Yeah, it never really occurred to me that I would make use of my
[now fractured] French, when in Britain.

>When you came over, I also remember having a confusing ten minutes walking
>round the food mall (supermarket) with Ellen trying to find the UK
>equivalent of Graham Crackers.

It makes going to the supermarket (food mall) an entertaining field trip.
Digestive Biscuits were the closest thing we found to Graham Crackers and
that's not very close.

>And while we're on the subject, shall I pop over and pick up that bumper
>pack of Oreos? :-) In my current state of mind all I really want to do is
>sit in front of TV, with a glass of milk and make like a couch potato -
>and it would be so much nicer with a box of Oreos! Calvin and Hobbes style.

Well over here, we were trying to come up with ways of properly packaging Oreos,
but then you started making noises about coming over, so we figured
you could bring back a case or more on your own.  (I can just see Clive
on his return trip with a computer, and a monitor, and six cases of Oreos.)

Ellen
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: School -- <<<SOB!!>>>
Date: 4 Sep 1992 02:50:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Well since school as started again for me, I've just had a dilemma.
Nothing important, just that you guys write too much.  I <Z>apped
probably 100 articles... (Dreadfully unfair to those who replied to the
articles that I zapped because of not-related-to-me content.. And I'd
hoped so much no to do that..)

Well maybe if I forget about studying, skip classes, [Dunno if I can get
at 'news from there, though -- Hmm.] I can read all of your stuff.

Gaa -- You guys are wonderful, but it would help if there was less of
it. (More concentrated?)


Oh, and to those of you who noticed me being psycotic in mail -- Yeah,
probably I was.  If you're scared of me now, wait a week to mail and
maybe I'll have settled in again.  The massive schedule changes were
making me act a little weird.  (Well more than normal.)

(Gee, if this was someone else's article, I'd probably have zapped its
responses.  Oh well, go ahead.)
-- 
|Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome           c(-8 ;-) >{8-) |
| :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
| >X^P 8-[                                       __ Lincoln, Nebraska|
|   						 \/ IRC Synger       |
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:14:29 GMT

In article <185lmvINN4nk@smaug.West.Sun.COM> lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton) writes:
>
>Well, I came out to my dearest love, my husband to be exact and it 
>backfired.  See it all started when we first started dating, I told him
>I was bisexual and he said great, no problem.  (He was assuming that I would
>always bring my friend home and he would get to join in.)  A year 
>later I gave him a "what if..."  What if I found someone and this person
>didn't want to share?  He again said no problem, great!  Well, three years
>later I did meet someone who didn't want to share and my husband had a 
>rough time with it.  Now, we had an open marriage.  He got to go out and
>meet, and date, and well whatever else.  After a few months of seeing my
>girlfriend my husband decides to get angry with the situation.  He 
>unfortunately started drinking heavily and our arguments started getting
>more violent.  I just recently left him and moved in with my SO, Stacy.
>I'm happier than I've ever been and my daughter is too.  (Being a five
>year old she understood the tension in the house and is relieved that it's 
>over and loves Stacy to death!)
>
>Because this happened recently, I still feel really guilty about leaving
>my husband (he had to move back in with his mother, he's 25, I'm 29 and
>the bread winner).  I guess sometimes when I put my happiness in front
>of others I feel bad.  Anyone out there have any kind words or hugs, or
>anything else they want to give me ;^)
>
>Thanx for listening!
>
>lori.cotton@west.Sun.COM	

You're pretty brave!  Sounds like the right decision.  You gave the guy
a chance, and don't feel guilty if he had to move in with Ma.  He's a
grownup, and he can find a job.



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: The ??? Between Us
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:42:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.000249.18853@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) wrote...
|>  However, the *Really* *Big* *Whisk*, now that's something that's got
|>immediate and practical uses, at least if I can avoid giggling....
|Oh no, this is going to send us right back into the 'So who makes 
|breakfast debate?'

   Or something far more interesting.

|Your wisk is decidedly bigger than mine...

   Well, yes, there is that.
-- 
               ____
 david parsons \bi/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
		\/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:52:53 CDT
 <17e32bINNs0p@agate.berkeley.edu> <b3mpbfkd@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <b3mpbfkd@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> In article <17e32bINNs0p@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>->Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
>>-roy ... so innocent, it's not even funny.  Well, OK, it is.
> 
> Find me on Furry and we'll do something about that innocence if you like...
	Oooh!  I think I'll just leave you two alone!  (By the way,
can someone please tell me how I can get to Furry, or even something
else?  I tried last year, but to no avail....)
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
				      					
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.131257.11927@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.103042.11210@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>|In <18246@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>|>bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>|[safesex materials and tarnished reputations]
>|Perhaps Clive was standing behind all of you at the time. He's _so_
>|fickle, that Clive is. A bit like David Parsons in that regard.
>
>   No, no, I'm not fickle.  I'm, um, *timesharing my affections. Yeah,
>that's it, that's what I'm doing.

Just as long as you don't start thrashing...
--scott
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 16:55:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <iw.715012766@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
->h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
->
->>This has been an interesting spin-off of my original Music Festival post.
->>Being at the music festival made me wonder just what is the difference in
->>the way that men look at people and women look at them.  I was certainly
->>looking around, and sensed myself being looked at.  But none of it felt
->>yucky or threatening.  What makes the difference?
->
->
->I think the differences for me are 
->  *  I don't have fear that women will get violent towards me
->  *  If I ask a woman to bug off she does - and she does so without
->     suggesting that I am either (a) frigid or (b) lesbian :-) because
->     I don't want to hop into bed with her.

Hmm ... 

Not to go for self-plugging here ...

(on second thought, "self-plugging" may be misconstrued :) ).

I do think that my way of looking at women (and men :) has changed since I
became queer ... along with my way of looking at a lot of other different
things ... 

It's weird ... I'm a lot less physically attracted to people these days ...
I mean, before I was bi, I would look at certain men and think "Hmm ...
they're attractive."  I'd look at certain women, and think "Wow ... I could
do things with her ... "

These days, it seems like I see highly attractive persons and think "Hey ...
sie's pretty attractive."  Period.

It's sort of like, rather than looking at people of both genders as sex
objects, I've stopped looking at anyone as a sex object (I think).

And I'm much more attracted to nice people.

I wonder how other bi men have had their perceptions of women changed by
this.

->Iseult - feeling sure that this is a very politically incorrect reason
->	 for liking womens space.

Roy - who figures as long as you're happy ...


-- 
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Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:53:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.37584
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep2.124520.10393@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
+>>If I could design a utopia, there'd be two political parties, the
+
+I guess what I had in mind was that the two parties would agree that
+abortions should be legal, but then they'd argue about whether there
+should be national health insurance, etc.  You're right that a right

Then in Utopia, the idea of an 'unwanted conception' would never come up.
(Along with STD's poverty, and coersive sex).
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:28:25 GMT

woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:

>pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>>>   Ellen, shall we try for seven? [in the hot tub]
>>Me thinks that could be arranged.  But we'll need your assistance.

>  Oh ho! You'd have to tie me up to keep me out of the hot tub!...

Goody!  Time for me to practice my knots.  And I didn`t learn them in
the boy scouts.  Why because I am queer and a GIRL.

Extra special torture for you.  Bondage and being forced to look at us
having fun and frolics in the hot tub.

Iseult.
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:49:59 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <10597@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>Do *I* count ....?      <innocent look>

Possibly - you _are_ a *computational* linguist after all, no? :-)

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mvsaf1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steve-o)
Subject: Arresting Behaviors (was Mr Right)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:21:14 GMT

In article <17gv82INNc27@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport), it was written:
>
>I do think that those statements, the "You just need the right X," just seem
>so ... arrogant.
>
	Did anyone watch that new show (in the US) Arresting Behaviors? 
	I believe this was the second show that has aired, my roomate told
	me about it last week, but I was reading this group. _Anyways_ it
	had an interesting scene where two brothers drop in on their sister,
	who is having a birthday party, where there is all females. Thinking
	that they'll be able to score big-time, being the only two 'studs'
	there, they slowly learn after hitting on most of the woman there
	that they are all (gasp) lesbians, (it took them awhile). In the next
	scene the two brothers, their sister and her lover are fishing and the
	sister tells one of the brothers that she really likes this girl (Chris)	and it takes him a few minutes to catch on. Meanwhile the other brother
	is badgering this girl with reasons for why she likes woman compared to 	men, that she shouldn't 'waste' her self like that. She tells him that
	she'll sleep with a man if he does. They start arguing and the sister
	intervenes and shouts out that she is her lover, the brother becomes
	disgusted and jumps off the boat and starts to swim to shore. Later
	on the dock, the two brothers are talking and figure that their parents
	made kids that like girls. So I guess my parents made to like boys _and_	girls, and to think it took a sit-com to tell me that! %^)
	
	The show aired on ABC at 9:30 out here in Mass/New Hampshire area, check
	it out - it is sort of like Married with Children done with live video.

								steve-o
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk




[Bethan "insanely cute when she's angry" Davies writes:]
>Y'know, the first thing Kay said to me at Norwich (after the accommodation
>dubris) was 'The safer sex materials are behind you'.... and he didn't say
>it to anyone else, either.... <sniff>.

[Owen "opinionated and quite lovely with it" Smith writes:]
>Hmm. He said it to me. Is there some sort of pattern here? :-)

[Kay "who knows a lot about foreskins" Dekker writes:]
>Now, what possible motive could I have for clustering Bethan, Clive,
>Olaf and you together? :)

What an intriguing thought! Having *never* really gotten all that close to
Bethan, and having *never* introduced myself to Olaf (it was a group
hallucination that made it look like I lifted him up in my arms and run
around the SU bar screaming "he's mine, he's mine, I'm not going to
give him back"), and having *never* asked Owen to show me those oh-so 
talked about freckles just ten minutes after meeting him for the first 
time. I'd be fascinated to see what such an alignment would do...

I'm so coy and innocent I am...

+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
|"Don't confuse me with the facts,  I've already  |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| made up my mind" - Local Tory gov't councellor  |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
From: woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: some quotes
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:03:16 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au


   I was in a Pure Maths lecture today, when the following sentences caught
my eye in the text :

"...Accordingly, computer scientists commonly choose ordered sets which
have bottom elements, but prefer their ordered sets topless.", and

"...Intersection structures which occur in computer science are usually
topless, but those in algebra are almost invariably topped."

   It hit me - no wonder I'm a switch : I'm doing a year preparatory to
a joint Honours in Pure Math. & Computer Science. 8->

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
From: pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 20:31:31 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote...
>[I wrote]
>>I don't think I mentioned that UK customs opened the package when I sent 
>>the photos to Clive - I'm sure they were most entertained by all of your
>>happy...... faces.
>
>Heh heh, the first lot wasn't so bad, when they arrived they prudishly
>flopped through the letter box, with an equally prudish "this packet has
>been opened by customs" message on the back, the second one, I had to sign
>for - which was odd as it was posted in exactly the same way as the first
>(which I didn't have to sign for).

Sign for?  And I even put that set in a nice photo mailer instead of
a recycled disk mailer.

>It has to be said that the content of the "special film" stuff that Ellen 
>took was rather more... graphic...

Graphic????  It depends if you find photos of Clive humping a cannon
at the Edinburgh castle graphic....

Oh, and then there were the ones of a rather protracted tickle battle
that captures Kate with hands reaching into Ciaran's half undone
pants...  Still nothing's exactly .... showing.  Or maybe it's the
one with an evilly grinning Clive perched on top of Ciaran as he's
ripping off Ciaran's shirt.

This is in the same country where "Kay got an erect penis back from
Boots [photo processing]."  Maybe we should try sending _that_ back
and forth across the border a few times.

Ellen

Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Quayles meet Usenet (was Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!)
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:25:44 GMT

elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
: In article <1992Aug28.122722.112605@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> 
:  sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:
: >At Lehigh U., where Dan Quayle's firstborn, Tucker, arrived yesterday 
: >under the cover of darkness to join the ranks of our freshman class.
: 
: Just wait till he gets a look at alt.fan.dan-quayle, not to mention
: all the sex, drugs, religion and politics newsgroups.  (And need I even
: mention soc.motss and soc.bi?)  We may very well hear rhetoric about
: netnews in the campaign this fall.
: 
: [We've weathered a decade of media fearmongering in the U.S. and Canada
:  about "obscene" materials and taxpayer funding, and most of the "family
:  values" crap in this campaign has done nothing but create a backlash
:  against the Republicans, but I'm not looking forward to it, anyhow.]
: 
: I wonder how often Tucker Quayle will have to change his email address.
: [Yes, I know what it is.  No, email-bombing the kid is not appropriate.]
: 
Let's not judge Quayle Jr. on the basis of his parents, please. After 
all, if you were to judge me based upon my parents, you would deem me
to be an uneducated, racist, homophobic Christian. I at least try
to be none of those things.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:35:09 +1200
 <asuccop.714683396@milton> <64628@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.003605.21732@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Keywords: ooh!  grrr.

n8946410@janice.cc.wwu.edu (Cameron Parish) writes:
> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
> 
> >Look, not all of us are like this. Its probably just a few guys pulling this
> >kind of shit and they are going to ruin it for all of us. So next time you
> >see somebody hassleing someone who obviously went out of their way to look 
> >good, smack them upside their head.
> 
> 	I would have dearly loved to have punched out the assholes who were
> hassling me yesterday.  But please note:  they were not hassling me because
> I "went out of my way to look good."  I hadn't. They were hassling me 
> because I'm *female*.
or, because you *look* female. Crossers and androgynes get it too, just not
as bad (usually) because males are more used to dealing with hassles.

> 	Dress doesn't have a whole lot to do with it.  I go out in
> baggy pants and a sweatshirt, and I still have to put up with idiots
> hanging out of their trucks and making kissy noises.   "Sure fire way."
> Yeah, right.  The only sure-fire way I've heard of is the assault-rifle
> method.
try dressing in camoflage gear, and carrying an assult rifle.

(another (im)practical hint from the womans weekly)

MOZ