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From: matthew@cs.mun.ca (Matthew J. Newhook)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:45:45 GMT

stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:


>re: pool cue

>You have to be careful using a pool cue as a staff because it narrows
>greatly.  Even a cue with a good, stuff spine can splinter if you
>use the narrowing end to block or hit anything substantial.  And jointed
>wooden cues are of course going to tend to splinter at the point where
>the joint meets the wood.   

>All things considered, a non-jointed house cue makes a useful improvised
>weapon in a pinch, but you woud want to consider it a speciallized weapon,
>and not try to use general Jo or quarterstaff technique with it.  May
>look good spinning it, but when it doesn't have the heft throughout required 
>for proper combative staff technique.  

Actually I saw a bouncer at a local pool hall unscrew the pool cue and
use the butt of the cue to great effect.  As I remember he hit the guy
in the knee with it, followed by beating him over the head.   The guy
was knocked unconcious, and was thrown out the door.  Seemed like a pretty
good use of the cue to me.

>Using a good custom cue as a weapon is criminal, you should use the bridge
>and billiard balls as weapons before you consider such a thing.  :-)

I think wrapping one of the balls in a piece of cloth (a la segal) is
a pretty neat idea!

>Sweet memories of our misspent youth, eh ?  ;-)

>								todd

Matthew
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From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (COOL CAT)
Subject: Re: 91 Daihatsu $5300/best offer
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:51:35 GMT

Sorry. This add should not be here. 
Please ignore the message. I made a mistake using the Macintosh copy command.

  Dave
From: braun@fisher.ucdavis.edu (Jerome Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido Association of Northern California
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

Me and my danged fingers!  I lost the message from M. Hirsch regarding
the name in the subject line.  I hope I haven't ruffled any feathers!

Would someone with information on who exactly has the rights to the
above name please contact me directly? 

Thank you very much,

Osu!

Jerry Braun

braun@wald.ucdavis.edu
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From: daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer)
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:58:01 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <BvpGvx.M25@apollo.hp.com>, stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
|> In article <XoF7RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, miller@bluemoon.rn.com (John
|> Miller) writes:
|> |> 1 = IL (ill)
|> |> 2 = YI (ee as in week, no Y sound)
|> |> 3 = SAM (sahm and in samba)
|> |> 4 = SAH (sah as in sahm without the m)
|> |> 5 = OH (long O sound)
|> |> 6 = YOOK (oo as in kookie NOT cookie)
|> |> 7 = CHIL (as as CH + IL from above)
|> |> 8 = PAL (hard P, ahl as in all)
|> |> 9 = KU (koo as in kookie)
|> |> 10 = SHIP (sheep, but abrupt vowel sound)
|> 
|> I'm pretty sure that what you have here is first, second, third, forth, etc
|> rather than one, two, three, four, etc
|> 

   Joel is correct. Here we go, and a one, and a two...

   1 = Hah Nah    5 = Dah Suyht     9 = Ah Hop
   2 = Dool       6 = Yuh Suyht     10= Yuhl
   3 = Set        7 = Il Gop
   4 = Net        8 = Yah Duhl

   I am fairly confident in spelling....


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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taido/Hakamas
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:04:25 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

So now that there are at least two of you who know what hakamas are, could
you explain to the rest of us what they, and taido, are?  :)

Al
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 28 SEP 92 11:42:23    


eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes...
>I was wondering about the differences between the art in the US and Japan. 
>Is the philosophy different?  The practice?  I heard it was much more
>intense in Japan, how much so?

It very much depends on where you go on either continent, and what you
mean by _intensity_ but my general impression is that the Japanese at their
best tend to have a higher level of formal discipline, and the Americans 
at their best a higher degree of psychological realism and 'competitive'
spirit.  Subject to the usual 1001 disclaimers.

>Also, in Aikido, are there any techniques for kicks?  I have not come
>across any in my limited studing.
> 

	Mostly the same ones used against hand attacks, with a few
twists.  The fundamental principles are the same, move with the attack
and break the posture, quickly move in and jam to break the posture,
or slip around or beside the attack and stay close to break the posture.
Most people at about brown belt level try kotegaeshi against the ankle
and discover that it doesn't work too well on a proper kick and they stick 
to timing throws.   Some adapt jujutsu-like reaps with Aiki timing very
effectively.   

	Just from my experience ...

						kind regards,
							todd
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:54:16 EDT
From: Gerry Santoro - CAC/PSU <GMS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
 <2AC72459.7068@ics.uci.edu>

In article <2AC72459.7068@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
says:


>Yes, there are a number of them.  They're rather difficult ;-) -- both
>for the nage to execute and for the uke to take.  In addition, since
>you don't get taught how to kick in Aikido, it's hard to find a good
>kicker to practice with, so the reality of what you re practicing with
>these techniques is variable.  At least, that's how I've found it to
>be in my dojo.

I strongly agree with this.  I've seen many people who have only studied
Aikido try to kick.  Their kicks are *really* bad!  In our dojo we have
a number of students (besides myself) who have had many years practice
in hard styles.  We throw far more realistic kicks and, I believe, end
up with better kick defenses.

I'll admit though -- I've never yet seen a good Aikido technique for a
knee or shin kick. (Or even a good wing-chun downward thrust kick.)

My advice is to  'borrow' a TKD student (one who knows how to breakfall)
to practice your kicking defenses.  Their kicks may not be the most
street-practical, but they are fast and accurate. (IMHO)

gerry santoro
academic computing/speech communication
penn state university
Aikido Koki-Kai

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From: lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund)
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 06:56:20 GMT

In article <13362@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>[missing attribution goes here]
>>
>>Test Fees are not bogus in many cases.  My sensei used to charge $20+ for each
>>belt test, regardless of color/level.
>
>Whatever someone feels comfortable paying is totally up to them.  But if a fee
>is used to help keep the place running, I'd suggest the dues just be raised an
>equal amount, just to eliminate the appearance or temptation to proliferate
>belt tests.  After all, if I'm taking an academic course, I don't expect to
>have to pay extra just to take my finals and pass on to the next sequence.

But in a sense, you do.  You pay by the term, which includes the test fee.  :-)
And if you fail, you pay again.  8-}

Our dojo is a non profit dojo.  The head instructor has a full time job as
president of Seibukan USA.  The instructors all volunteer their time.  Each
summer, when attendance is low, the head instructor typically makes a large
donation to help pay the bills.

We pay $25 yearly, $40 monthly, and testing fees.  No contracts.  The test fees
range from $25 for yellow/orange up to $125+ for dan ranks.

>But to each his own.  I won't call a karate instructor "Master" in any language,
>despite the degree of respect I have for him, how learned he is, or how much
>he can beat me up.  In late 20th century America, I can't see why I have to call
>a karate instructor "master" while I call a PhD professor "Bob."  But to each his
>own.

In late 20th century America, it is proper to call a PhD "doctor".  I call our
head instructor Shihan because that is his title.  Shihan is sometimes
translated to "master" or "master instructor" or "instructor's instructor", but
the most accurate translation is simply "guide".

Keep in mind that "karate master" is more along the lines of "master carpenter",
rather than "my master".

In any case, I have no problem referring to people by their title, even if their
title is "Oh most powerful deity of all that walks among us."  I have no problem
calling a person by a set of syllables, without letting the syllables mean
anything to me.

Some examples to clarify my position:

  At a seminar I called a Chinese style instructor "Sifu", even tho I have
  absolutely no idea what the exact translation means.  No skin off this nose.

  Let's suppose that "Dave" means "Oh most powerful ... " in some language X.
  I still would have no problem calling you "Dave".

  Some people prefer to be called "Mister" or "Miss" or "Miz" or Missuz".
  I have no problem accommodating them.

But, like you say, to each his own.

>
>	Dave
>

Nate
nlund@kodak.com
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: My first tournament - pointers?
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:54:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23754
Reply-To: garry@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

In article <JON.92Sep28102222@zeus.med.utah.edu> jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
   In article <12883@ecs.soton.ac.uk> rit@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
   
      That's what I thought until I actually had to be a corner judge. I can't 
      say it was the most enjoyable experience of my life :-(  Never again :-)
   
   richard is right; you must be a judge (or referee) to appreciate the
   difficulty involved.

   mentally, judging a free sparring match is like fighting two people.
   you must keep your perception sharp for long periods of time.  it is
   very tiring.

Definitely.  I'm much more tired at the end of a day judging
than a day competing.

   as a corner judge, you must always question your point of view.  if
   your view is from the side, you can judge distance well, but not
   accuracy.  if your view is from behind one fighter, you can judge
   accuracy well, but not distance.  you must exclude yourself from
   judging any point for which you do not have a good view.

One of my pet peeves, first as a competitor, then as a judge,
is the number of judges who will call points they can not *possibly*
have seen.  Classic example:  fighter A throws a round kick to the
body of fighter B, whose back is to you.  It lands with a loud thump.
You cannot possibly tell if it landed or hit fighter B's hands,
which he pulled in to block.  I've seen far too many judges call that
a point.

   in my opinion, any referee or judge who honestly tries to do a good
   job is deserving of our respect, no matter how many bad calls he or
   she makes.

-- 
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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Book on TKD kicks
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 16:05:43 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

In article <1992Oct1.171945.11864@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> carbon@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Peter Carbon) writes:
>I am looking for a good book which describes the various types
>of kicks used in Tae Kwon Do. Is there such a thing? If so could
>someone please email me or post as it may be of interest to others.
>Thanks in advance,
>
> Peter Carbon
> bnrmtl!carbon@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
>

Please post any info, or send it to me on email, too!
Corey

cschum@caen.engin.umich.edu
From: danbe@tekred.CNA.TEK.COM (Dan Beougher )
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:40:44 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Redmond, OR.


******how do you explain ki to your Aikido students?

Can you?  Do you really need to?  It seems that perhaps you could
teach them to fish rather than feed them.

You can relate it to something rather than explain it.  Western
thinking sometimes gets in the way.  I study a form of Gung Fu
called Gohn Dagow.  This summer I was working on a technique
called Peacock, a rather "active" movement.  There was a hummingbird
feeder about two meters away.  When I was in touch with my chi, they
would feed with me whirlwinding around.  Our class has proven this
many times by working out with deer feeding nearby.  When the energy
of the class was in sync, they would ignore us, but if we would fall
apart they would move away.

The other example someone gave me is when you feel another person
staring at you.  In Viet Nam, recon people were not to stare at
the enemy for any length of time, or they would "feel" it.
Although this may not be ki in the strict sense, it was explained
to me that it is an "energy", and that similar affects can be
identified, developed, and used, whether they be mental or physical.

The religious aspect is a toughie.  We normally open our classes with
a meditation.  When our teacher did a class at the college, the
word "meditation" was frowned upon.  It was then referred to as
a "clearing", or a "focus time", etc.  Since this is a monk form,
as one advances in the art it becomes readily apparent there is a
higher self within us, and a higher being above us.  Is that so
different from some of the organized religions?  Our Sien Seong has
stated repeatedly that Gohn Dagow is not a religion, but can help
you in whatever faith you believe.

Good luck.

dB
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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:25:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Oct1.131531.11084@bcrka451.bnr.ca> fwong@bnr.ca (Frank Wong) writes:
>I haven't seen any info. out about it this fall. Maybe next year ?

I read in the L.A. Times TV guide that Kung Fu will start in January.

Al
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Date: 1 Oct 1992 06:37:53 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <23954@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>to which I must ask those who have experience in both Chen and Yang styles....
>
>Are the basic 'Peng', 'Lu', 'Ji', 'An'  movements done similarly in the
>two styles or are they very different ?

Very different.  Almost different beyond recognition.

But, perhaps more to the point, Peng, Lu, Ji, and An are not even what you
would call "basic movements" in Chen style.  I mean, they're there, if you
look for them (and you really have to look for An), but, unlike Yang style,
they definitely do not play a central role in the principles and fighting
philosophy.



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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Attacks on/near college campuses (was Re: Model Mugging (long))
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:03:22 GMT
	<1992Sep30.152829.15165@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: plc@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 30 Sep 92 19:28:29 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.152829.15165@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> plc@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

[large snip]

   Just another data point on random violence...
   Two days ago a couple was attacked walking on a path near Cornell at 9:30 pm.
   It's still unclear as to what exactly happened, but so far it is believed 
   that four men attempted to rob the couple and then attacked them with ROCKS. 
   The woman is still in the local hospital but is expected to make it; 
   the man was evacuated to a hospital in Sayre, PA where he remains in critical 
   condition. 

   Thought stoning was an obsolete means of execution :<( .

   Now, Ithaca is usually considered a relatively safe, secluded college town. 
   I've walked that path myself many times without worry (though not at night). 
   This incident has shocked the community deeply and made me a bit more 
   paranoid (careful?) about where I go. If things like this can happen 
   here...etc, etc.


It's funny...well, no, it's not funny, it's strange...well, no, it's not
strange, either...but we had a post last year in which someone commented
on so-called "random" violence happening on/near a nice college campus, 
and about how shocking and unusual it was.  So I posted something that
I want to repeat/paraphrase now, which I hope people will read and take
seriously.

I have spent most of my adult life, one way or another, living on or near
college campuses.  In my experience, they are NOT especially safe places
to be, particularly around the beginning of the new school year.  At these
times, college campuses and the areas around them simply abound with 
rather naive young folks, most of whom have little (if any) experience 
living away from home (where "home" is most commonly a nice safe suburb) 
and most of whom fervently believe that their campus is a safe place 
full of nice freshly-scrubbed young folks like themselves.  

This creates a rather attractive "fishing pond" for would-be predators, 
who gravitate to college campuses during the early weeks of the school
year, and often manage to prove their victims wrong in spectacular
ways, through a series of assaults, robberies, burglaries, and rapes.  
This is particularly noticeable around the campuses of women's colleges,
which seem to attract a particularly nasty brand, every year without 
fail.

In summary...I wish it weren't true, but I suspect that at certain 
times of the year, college campuses tend to be MORE dangerous than 
many other places, rather than less.  
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:28:14 GMT

In article <1365@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo) writes:
><1992Sep25.004825.12390@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
>Sender: 
>Reply-To: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: 
>Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
>Keywords: 
>
>Test Fees are not bogus in many cases.  My sensei used to charge $20+ for each
>belt test, regardless of color/level.  (I think it might have been $10 extra
>for black belt test, but nothing close to the hundreds range).  These fees
>helped keep the dojo running, because with a mere $50 or so per month fee, and
>he'd waive the fees in many cases for students if they worked hard or attended
>an extra workout session, it got to the point where he was just making ends
>meet.
>
>The fees do NOT change even when the National President of the organization
>visits to administer the black belt exam.
>
>I was very lucky to find such a kind, caring sensei whose only concern was the
>students' progress, and not his wallet.
>
>


The testing fees under the circumstances you discribe do not bother me
that much. What I find questionable are holding a belt for ransom until
a high price is paid. Along these same lines are the ability to buy...er
exqueeze me, *earn* a black belt by signing a 6 month - 1 year contract.




                            R ****
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Protocol & instructors of othr styles
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:36:47 GMT

In article mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>
>Thanks for your reply Joel, this also works for me. Just the same, I'd be 
>curious to find out the title of instructors in different styles.  If anyone
>else cares to reply (humorous or informative,) I would appreciate it.

Being from a Quaker background, I'm not real good with titles,
but the following rules of the thumb have got me by so far:

Origin of Style     E.g.                        Instructor
---------------     ---------------------       -----------
Japanese            Karate, Akido, Judo         Sensei
Korean              Taekwondo, Hapkido          Sabunim, Master
Chinese             Wing Chun                   Sifu
Fillipino           Escrima, Arnis, Kali        Guro
Eclectic            JKD                         Hey, Bob
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: How students exagerates... :)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:44:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.185746.26813@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(Mr. X) writes:

> In article <1a2risINNmti@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
> (Johnny Wu) writes:
> >
> >Before you judge the action of a person, THINK!
> >Re-examine yourself first!  
> >What have I done to deserve this?  Answer it!
> >Then, let GOD be the judge of all!
> 
> 	Who??

Thor!  ;->

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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