From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Advice on Academic Studies (Re: This newgroup rejuvenated)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:21:29 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <1992Sep28.002222.20229@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

> In article <1992Sep24.215413.13027@mail.cornell.edu> Joshua Cope
> <jdc1@cornell.edu> writes:
>>     Hi... I'm also looking at the newsgroup. Unfortunately, I can't
>>follow much of what's going on; the arguments sound like they've been
>>going on for months! And much of it is tough to follow.

> Here's a summary.
> -cu = sense of culture
> -ci = sense of citizenship
> -ge = sense of ethnicity (genetics)
> Note that a German-ge can be American-ci but Korean-cu.  In other words,
> genetics does not determine behavior, and ethnicity does not culture.

But Dwight, you have not answered the long-standing question of what
YOU MEAN when you talk about Chinese-culture!!!!!

> However, many Chinese-cu, rednecks, KKKer's, and Nazis believe that
> ethnicity does determine culture; for example, those bigots believe
> that because a person is Japanese-ge, he/she will do the Japanese-cu
> "thing".  Two examples of people who hold this view are Mr. Yong Wee
> Dennis Lee (yongwee@leland.stanford.edu) and Mr. Wilbur Pan
> (u58402@uicvm.uic.edu).

So much for your pious statement of only attacking groups and not
individual people.  Not only do you forget/ignore what other people
write, but you forget/ignore what YOU have written.

>>I'm interested in Asian studies, especially Chinese culture, but this isn't
>>quite what I expected.
> 
>  [Dwight Joe propaganda deleted but leading to ...]
>
> Do read my posts if you have time.

Yes, DO read his posts, AND also the many others of those who reply to him.
FYI, this has been my experience reading Dwight's postings :

(1) He launches head long into "Chinese-cu" bashing
(2) Point 1 will occur regardless of the content of the original posting
(3) He selectively responds to postings (and only these postings) where he
    will be able to perform point 1 
(4) Anyone who questions his approach/ideas/definitions is immediately
    labelled "Chinese-cu" (see Point 1)

... and around in a circle we go.

> I try to provide short interesting points without going into long-winded
> debates that eventually lose much of the audience.

My experience has been that there has been only one point -

     "Chinese-cu" bashing (where "Chinese-cu" is ill-defined)

> You will see many Chinese-Americans (usually
> those whose parents were upperclass Chinese that emigrated to the USA)
> and Chinese engaging in numerous personal-attack strategies to silence
                                                                 ^^^^^^^
> differing opinions (including mine), but try your best to ignore the noise.

What a laugh.  I find that the silence is DEAFENING when I simply try to
get him to clarify his definitions.

>  [More Dwight Joe propaganda deleted]

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So Joshua, welcome to the newsgroup.  I'll be interested in your own
opinions of the content of this newsgroup after a few weeks of
observation.

-- 
Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, 
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168.
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