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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: First Duty Unis
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:52:03 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <BxFIJy.MAK@news.iastate.edu>, techy@iastate.edu (Technobabblonian) writes:
> I was wondering if anybody has found any of the cadet uniform patterns as
> seen in First Duty.  Personally, I prefer these uniforms to the regular duty
> uniform.  If not... has anybody modified the existing TNG patterns to
> make one as in FD?  Would it be easy to do?  Im not an expert tailor. ;D
> 
> -Troy 
> 
> -- 
> -Troy Rutter        |The future, always so clear to me had become like
> Project Vincent     |a black highway at night.  We were in uncharted
> ____________________|territory now, making up future as we went along.

Troy:

it should be extremely easy to modify the commercial pattern to produce the
"First Duty" look.  First, throw out the shoulder-yoke piping piece, you won't
need it.  Then cut out toiles (muslin patterns) of the shoulder-yoke pieces
and sew them together (upper & lower portions, not back & front).  This will
give you a single, unpiped shoulder yoke pattern.  Cut this out of
red/burgundy.  Cut the remaining pattern pieces out of black.  Sew the
remainder of the pattern as per the supplied instructions. I've had to modify
the shoulder-seam curve on this pattern every time, as it is too strongly
curved and tends to produce a peculiar humped look if left as-is.  Oh, I forgot
you also need a collar.  I usually do this by cutting two 2-1/2" wide
rectangles (the length will vary, should be the same measurement as the
neck-edge of your uniform, plus about 1-1/2") out of the same fabric as the 
yoke, then cutting a "V" shaped notch out of the center front.  Sew the two
together along the notched edge (add piping if wanted) and short ends.  Place
right side of collar to right side of uniform and stich, catching only the top
layer of the collar.  Turn lower edge of the inner collar under  and whipstich
it over the seam.  I hope you know how to sew, because these directions are
pretty sketchy.  If you need more, e-mail me.

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
out of the center of each piece.
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From: falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham)
Subject: Re: Wizard of Oz and TNG
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:51:25 GMT

In article <1dmkqtINNntl@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
>In <1di8qoINNs0n@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew B Englander) writes
>>>Aside from the reference in "True Q", there was one time when Crusher
>>>was in some warp bubble and said "click three times and say 'no place
>>>like home' ". Any others?

>In article <1992Nov9.070031.1327@panix.com> pcg@panix.com (Paul Gallagher) writes:
>Wasn't there an episode somewhere where someone kept calling Data "Tin Man"?
>(And, no, I'm not thinking of the episode "Tin Man", with the Enterprise and
>Romulans racing to reach the new spacecraft-sized lifeform.)

Armus in Skin of Evil

Crair R. Falkenham
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Worf, the Klingon Punching Bag...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:07:24 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
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In article <9493@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>Spoilers must be in here somewhere for Rascals

>Klingons are not only weak, THEY'RE STUPID!!!  You'll notice that they LOST
>2 Klingon ships WITH CLOAKING DEVICES to the Ferengi!  That's right, the
>stupid FERENGI beat the stupid KLINGONS.  I rest my case!

What?  Did I miss something?  When do we know of Ferengi beating Klingons
in any kind of fight?  Evidence?
-- 
======================================================
====> Thomas Kiefer <===> thogek@cco.caltech.edu <====
======================================================
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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: Rascals: What a Joke!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:41:01 GMT

I agree 100%..."Rascals" really blew, except maybe for the last twenty
minutes.  When they started the show with that tired old "Uh-oh, a piece of
Enterprise equipment has gone haywire" plot, I braced myself for a mediocre
episode, and when the concept of two tired old fighters and a crew of bumbling
idiots taking over the Enterprise was introduced I knew things were definitely
NOT going to get better!

I have to assume that Jonathan Frakes and Michael Dorn both made blatant
passes at all the writers' wives at some point.  Nothing else can explain the 
way that Worf and Ryker can be counted on to blow it in every critical 
situation they've been faced with in the past couple of seasons.


-- Andy Ihnatko
   andyi@world.std.com
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The actress who played the role of Amanda
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:25:16 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <Bx71Br.BIy@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, dp66@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Kevin L. Oberle) writes:
> In article <7808@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>>>>If I am not mistaken, the actress who played Amanda - Olivia D'Abo
>>>>is some sibling of Mariam D'Abo 
>>>
>>>Yes, she is a younger sister. Olivia D'Abo has been on TV for a while playing
>>>Kevin Arnold's (Fred Savage) sister on The Wonder Years.
>>
>>Mariam D`Abo also costarred in the (thankfully) short-lived series,
>>"Something's Out There", 
> 

Gee, I liked "Something's out there".

Joe Chiasson
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Windows (was: Relics -- Shedding Light on the Subject) (spoilers removed)
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:38:58 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <720721516.AA05471@csource.oz.au>, Chris.Graham@f344.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Graham) writes:
} * Original <26 Oct 92  16:19:21> was from Matthew Gertz to All 
} 
}  > MG: From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
}  > MG: Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie
}  > MG: Mellon
}  > MG: 
}  > MG: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko) writes:
}  >>rubio@HAN.Paramax.COM (Stuart Rubio) writes:
}  >>
}  >>>You talk as though we were looking directly out into subspace or normal
} deep
}  >>>space. We are not. They are not. The world external to the Enterprise, in
}  >>>all forms, is perceived by use of the sensors. This has been documented
} many
}  >>>times in TOS. It should not come as need surprise to anyone that has
} watched
}  >>>either series for more than 3 episodes. The apparently transparent windows
}  >>>in ten-forward are no more direct accesses to the outside than is the main
}  >>>viewer on the bridge. These are all displayed images from the sensor arrays
}  >>>in the hull of the Enterprise. Otherwise, we would not see anything at all.
} 
} Wrong. In "Peak Performance" ( the last episode shown here in Oz :-( ) Riker
} mentions to Worf ( or Geordi ) when on the Hathaway, about the big E really
} having windows. Worf was going to override the big E sensor arrays, thus hiding
} the Hathaway. The point was that they wouldn't be seen, unless someone really
} looked out of a real window.

In many episodes of the first season Picard sent Geordi down to the
lounge to view whatever phenomenon they were dealing with through a
real window so that his visor could do its thing.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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From: wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Rascals" !SPOILERS!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:16:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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Not really a spoiler...

In article <1992Nov8.002605.278@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>
>One word about next week's upcoming "A Fistful of Datas.".....
>Anyone out there notice a trend?  _Every_ single great science fiction 
>series has to have one _terrible_ Wild West episode?  It's like its
>a prerequisite or is required in the science fiction series licensing
>board...."Doctor Who" had one, "The Prisoner" had one, TOS had one,
>and even "Blake's 7" had a "shoot-out" episode.....

I thought that "Living in Harmony" (The Prisoner) was one of the best
episodes they made (along with "Many Happy Returns"). Of course, those
who love holodeck "reality" might not appeciate this episode, because,
except for Number 6, the "players" in the western mind-game lose themselves 
in their roles, with unpleasant consequences.

As to "A Fistful of Datas", I hope they avoided stealing directly from
that old chestnut "Westworld" starring Yul Brenner (as the gunfighter),
but they probably did anyways. 

Has anyone noticed that since the "Inner Light" there has been little 
inspired work -- perhaps they're too busy with contract negotiations and 
milking TNG for all it's worth, figuring they're going to lose key players 
anyways?

Lynne.
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From: herd@lut.fi (Markku Herd)
Subject: Re: KAHN's last name?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:43:32 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy) writes:


>I was watching William Shatner on QVC (a cable shopping channel) last night.
>He was speaking about KAHN (Ricardo Montalban) and mentioned that his
>full name was something like KAHN NUNIAN SING (literal spelling).

Khan Noonian Singh, to be literal.

>Now, isn't the guy who created Mr. Data named DR. NOONIAN SOON, or
>something like that?  Is there some sort of connection between these
>two names other than that they sound similar?  

Dr Noonian Soong. Maybe he was another genetically enhanced superhuman :)

>Thanks

No prob.

- Markku Herd ( herd@lut.fi )
From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 premier
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:10:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov10.171048.27668
Distribution: usa
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Nov10.143302.6679@den.mmc.com> taylor@aspen.den.mmc.com (Tim Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.094503.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>> 
>> Does anyone have any information on where/when the Deep Space 9- 2 hour premier
>> episode will appear on satelite?
>> 
>The current issue of Star Trek The Next Generation magazine has an ad for a
>special sneak preview of Star Trek Deep Space Nine on the QVC channel Saturday,
>Dec. 5 at 2:00 PM EST. There were no further details given. Check your local
>listings, folks.
>

Now, before anyone gets too excited, this is *not* an early broadcast of
the premier for DS9.  (Which is what I assume the asker wanted to know)  
Either Rick Berman or Michael Piller (I don't quite remember) will be on
QVC on December 5th promoting Deep Space Nine.  They'll probably be selling
various DS9 merchandise as well.  I'm sure they're will also be a scene or
two shown from the premier, which will be nice.  Set those VCR's.


-- 
Jose Gonzalez                

                          
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cloaking devices (Spoilers) Rascals
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:55:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov9.161653.18701@nscf.org>, warren@nscf.org (L3 Warren) writes:

> There could be truckloads of reasons why the Feds don't cloak.

The primary one I see is that it would ruin the show. ;-)

If the feds don't cloak and can't detect a cloaked ship (and clearly the
Romulans can't detect a Klingon cloaked ship or Picard and Data would have
been toast), why aren't the Romulans on Vulcan?  Why didn't the Klingon's
invade Earth 80 years before TNG?

A "cloaking" device really ruins Star Trek.  And now we have a "fountain
of youth" courtesy of the transporter! 

Terry
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From: tjones@access.digex.com (Tom Jones)
Subject: Rascals closed-caption (micro-spoilers)
Summary: Dialogue edited out
Organization: Paradisio Products, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:08:58 GMT

Having recently acquired a television equipped with closed captioning,
(CC) I watched Rascals with it on.  One extremely handy feature is
that one can get perhaps-canon spelling for any new term instantly.

More interestingly, it also seems that there are some things included
in the captions that are not apparent in the soundtrack:

(I don't consider these to be spoilers since most people don't even
know they exist.)

During the opening title sequence while the music is playing and the
Enterprise is swooshing about the screen, CC states that the
captioning is provided by Paramount, and Nissan cars, "It's time to
expect more from a car."  

In Rascals, two scenes contained text that was apparently in the
script but overdubbed by incidental music:

1) When the two Ferengi are standing in Engineering, the following
discussion takes place, leading into the heard version:

"And he never pays us on time."
"I hate Daimon Lurin."
"You should see his woman."
"Is she ugly?"
"Hideous."
"She has this huge mole over her left eye.  It's so disgusting
it makes me want to..."
"TAG!" "YOU'RE IT!"

2) At the very end, the conversation between Deanna and Guinan
continues for a few more trivial sentences.

Interestingly, the previews for the upcoming episode are *not*
captioned, which, with the secret conversation, IMO indicates that the
captioning is done from a near-final version of the program, but
before editing is complete.

Anybody else out there watch TNG with captions?

-tom jones
 Paradisio Products
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From: gagnon@aix1.uottawa.ca (7183)
Subject: List of episodes (FAQ?)
Originator: gagnon@aix1.uottawa.ca
Organization: University of Ottawa Computer Centre
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:35:06 GMT

Hi,
    Sorry if this is a FAQ, I have just started reading the r.a.s.* groups,
but haven't found what I'm looking for in the posts yet.

    There must be a list of the ST:OS and ST:TNG episodes (air dates and
titles) somewhere!? Can anybody tell me where to get it? FTP or mail. If
there was a list with descriptions, it would be even better.

Thanks.
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From: cbsmith@mobius01.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Smith)
Subject: Re: Ship's computer's knowledge of crew locations
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:22:46 GMT

-- 
Ok, I think that this was actually clarified on Schisms. Basically, the computer
can monitor people's based on when they pass certain points. I imagine the
computer checks everytime it opens a door to see who it's opening the door
for. I imagine not just anyone can be located by anyone. I *do* assume though that when people are on a working shift that it would be perfectly ok for the
computer to be able to locate them. I think people would have there own personal
hangups about being located and tracked down, and in the "future" those hangups
would be respected. Being easily locatable can be *very* convenient. Consider someone who has to be on call at all times.

--Bo ("the One who Knows")
From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard as an Admiral - Decline and Fall of StarFleet
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:20:09 GMT
Organization: Society for Anarchic Totalitarianism
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In article <1dihpjINNe4j@haven.umd.edu> Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn
Robbing, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu writes:
>Maxwell of the Phoenix WAS right. Picard deserves everything he receives
 
>at the hands of those Cardassian slimers. He should have blown 'em
> back to the primordial ooze when he had the chance..............is it  
>just my imagination, or does Picard tend to get captured and tortured a  
>great deal? When are the Feds gonna put this guy at a desk shuffling  
>papers, or at the Academy, teaching snivelling snot-nosed mouth
breathers  
>like Wesley?

I can't imagine a worse fate for StarFleet than having Picard as an
admiral and/or teaching at StarFleet Academy. Either all ships would be
under orders never to use phasers until all shields have collapsed, or
the next generation of captains would continue to be kidnapped, shrunk,
and whatever. I think that Riker's poor performance in Rascal's was due
to his spending too much time around Picard.

This post should be taken somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but not entirely.
Sometimes Picard really makes me wish they had cloned a few hundred
Kirks....

--Mel Walker
mwalker@novell.com
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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Rascals: 40% drop in transported mass
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.105626.2427@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> gunthar@vax1.mankato.m
sus.edu writes:
>When the transporter cheif stated, at the begining of the episode, that one of

>the occupants of the shuttle may have been lost because of an observed 40%
>decrease in the transported mass, did anyone else do a quick bit of mental
>arithmatic and say "Hum, must have been Guianan they lost." :)
>

Her hat alone weighing 20 kilos.
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Subject: re: First Duty Unis
From: s334147@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:34:50 GMT

I have successfully made a cadet uniform for myself, with relative ease.
I had previously made two post-second season uniform tops from a pattern
someone lent me who's in AUSTREK (A ST fan club in Australia).  I'd never sown
anything more complicated than shorts before, but with patience and
perseverence I managed.

The cadet uniform is much easier; I just modified the pattern I had so that
the shoulder area and collar is exactly the same (with the appropriate colours)
but under the horizontal dividing line between the red (or whatever) and black,
it is all black without any of the complicated diagonals.  I actually stuck 
together all of the fiddly pieces of the pattern  to get the large black
sections, then cut it out and pinned it together and tried it on to make sure
it fitted.  And there is a band around the bottom made out of some kind of
stretch material as with the normal uniforms (that's why they ride up - I made
mine out of a non-strech material and it isn't so tight, so it doesn't ride
up!).

Does this help?

Katharine "I never met a chocolate I didn't like" Shade
Disclaimer: I'm a musician.

p.s. sorry this isn't a direct e-mail reply, but I can't e-mail out of 
Australia.
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Ronny Cox featured in upcoming episode (Spoiler)
Keywords: Leathal Weapon, Robocop
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:16:48 GMT

ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III) writes:

>Exit this article now if you do not want to know.  I'll wait.















>The Los Angeles Times Calendar section (11/4/92, page 2) reported that
>Ronny Cox (Police Chief in Beverly Hills Cop I & II, and the creator of 
>ED209 in Robocop) will replace Picard as Captain of the Enterprise, after
>Picard is captured and tortured by the Cardassians.  He will not be a NICE
>guy.  In case you have not been checking your schedules, this should be
>"Chain of Command", scheduled for the weeks of 12/26 and 1/2

What about Riker?  I thought he was going to replace Picard after he 
left?  And is this confirmed?  I would find it hard to believe that they would
replace the captain with someone new.  Hmmm....I'll have to check the LA Times


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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVII: Kill Kirk !
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxK5Ju.2x2@cosy.sbg.ac.at>, bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at (B. Jellinek) writes...
>the subject says it all:
>i feel that kirk character has failed to grow old with dignity. since
>STIII i can only pity him. just think of the beginning of STV, where
>he tries to climb that rock. it's really just sad.
>so my proposal is: kill him off. Let him die like a hero.
>make it better than Ripley in Alien 3. better than T2. better than Kahn.
>Then let Spock speak at the burial. 
>and then write 'James S. Kirk' on his grave, to confuse the Trekkers ! ;-)

Nah.
I have a better solution.
Let him live thru the TNG, so he can be disgusted with the patty-cake
version of StarFleet.
Have him know Picard surrenders his ship on a regular basis.
That would bother him.

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From: 00ajlakas@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek V
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:59:30 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <Bx6uuv.Brn@csc.liv.ac.uk>, geoff@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. G. N. Kendall) writes:
> This will probably start a huge row, but could anyone tell me why
> Star Trek V is considered so crap?                                                                                                          
>>>>   1. William Shatner  wrote it...  It's called Tek World ..stick with it....
>>>>   2. The mysterious mind power is as bad as Troi's in encounter at farpoint
>>>>   3. When would Spock ever sing row your boat...
                                                                                
Admittedly some of the FX are
> a bit naff, but is that the only problem, or is it the plot?
> STV is the most "Episodic" of the films (with shades of the Changeling,
> etc) and is the best for Kirk/Spock/Bones dialogue.  I don't think
> STV is the best, but I certainly don't think it's the worst.
> 
> Geoff


The plot isn't that bad, but it just screwed me completely on some of the
charater interactions and it carried throught to ST VI..
with spocks famous "go to hell" line.

I sort of lost familarity with the charaters after ST V...
and for a purest like myself that is the worst blow of all...





Jove


(don't take this as a flame it is just my opinion.)