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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:07:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Goodwill

>Does anyone else see irony in a bunch of self-supporting computer geeks
>trawling the Goodwills and Salvation Army stores for bargains? Don't these
>places exist to help those <less-fortunate> than we are?
>
>-abh

Yes, but they do it by taking your money for those over-priced goods
and using the money--not by providing low-cost stuff to the
fortune-impaired.  mem.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:25:23 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Apophasis
              27 Jul 1992 15:24:00 EDT from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

>*WHO* is this "Lenny Abbey"?????  Months ago, I was compared to him
>in my writing style by someone..... was it G?  Or -abh?  Now I am
>beginning to suspect that I should have been insulted.  Oh, yeah,
>it was BGRISSOM, that's who it was.   Well just <take *that*> !!!
>I *know* when I am being ridiculed. <*That* *really* *pisses* *me*
>*off*!>
>--ggs (having just dispaired/despaired and *skipped* the posts from
>       July 26.....  to read and react later....  hold y'all's breath)

    'Tweren't me, Gib.

   --bgrissom
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:15:06 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      RE: A Query
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>>called "Urantia". They seem to be religious or
>
>They're New Age folks. Something to do with religion and Yet Another Explanatio
>Of Why We Are Here.
>
>-abh
Ok, that's a start. Now here's the odd part. Marya found an
address for these people, and ordered copies of their books,
and they don't want to sell them through book stores.

Marya is working for a little mom-and-pop new-and-used
bookstore in Novi, Michigan, so it's not as if they didn't
want to be featured in malls...

Any more information about them?

judith
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:17:23 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: RTFM--not!!!
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:14:54 EDT, "Karen Kay" <ll23@nemomus.bitnet> wrote:
> If it makes you feel better, Carol, we have one WP5.1 manual for
> 120 people--and were never given manuals for our computers or printers.

You mean you have 119 bootleg copies?

G
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:10:54 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gleanings (54
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>> is the adjective: "You're mashugeh!" But "What a Mashugena!"
>> or maybe "a Mashugener"...I'm not sure how I heard it. Maybe
>> both ways. But yes, "Crazy" is what it means.
>
>Quite interesting the differences in spelling between US & UK Yiddish.
>Almost *all* the Yiddishisms I've seen here have been spelt differently.
>Meshugge, that's what I say!
>
>G
Graham, you're from a different Shtetl, that's all.
Actually, I'm spelling by ear. Meshugge looks fine.

love, judith
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:50:19 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Car shopping

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:03:47 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>  Well, I'm shopping for an '89 VW Golf, but you could buy three of
>them for $15,000.  They're hard to find, though.  A friend of mine loves
>his '92 Saturn.

Sigh - I sold my 1980 Diesel Rabbit last year after 11 good years on
the road.  No trouble with it, contrary to all predictions.

Rita, I trust you've read RISKS on the Saturn software ?

Tony H.
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: Women in Combat

*** Resending note of 07/31/92 15:35

>On July 30 Don said:
         ^^

Betty, where are you ...I thought I said that today?

You present very good reasons .... equal treatment ...which does not seem
wrong.

Don, maybe too old, and old-fashioned, to want to see women in combat ...but...
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:11:10 EDT
From:         Don Thornton <DTHORNTN@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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Gib, are you aware of the trashing the tappet brothers gave the miata?

Click

Clack

did anybody else hear this Car Talk segment on NPR?
Considering your illustrious car pedigree (and as a former MGA owner
& Porshe driver) just remember the (hokey?) research done by judy markey:

Cars do not the man make:  ".... Women get to wondering what type of
person is so needy of feeling like ole Mel [Gib  son] that he would be
willing to put that kind of money into a car. The answer is easy.
"Dorks," one woman told me. "Every time I look over to see who is
driving one of those cars, it's almost always a dork."
Hey, we know you're the exception.

don  :-)
        dthorntn@brownvm.brown.edu
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:39:43 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Social Security
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I believe that Rita is fundamentally in error when she says
that ss#s are not to be used for identification.  It seems
to me that the move to have everyone *have* a ss# is actually
a move in the direction of using it as an id #.  States that
provide state id's for those w/out driver's licenses use
ss#s for those ids.  My faculty id here has my ss#.  It's
on my checks. (Because the few places in town that ask for
id ask for that. Usually it's only if the check is over $50.)

But I disagree w/ Natalie that all of this is benign.

On the other hand, I don't see Jill's scenario:
> "Oh, by the way, did I mention that I met your friend 90X-XX-XXXX
> last night at a party?  He was with 91X-XX-XXXX, and they looked very
> chummy. <nudge, nudge>"

People used to say that about computer id#s.  And that surely hasn't
happened; everyone simply uses alias files or nickname files.

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:26:26 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Which large or unabrdg dictionary ...
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:35:09 EDT, "Don Thornton" <DTHORNTN@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
 wrote:
> If I also want something as an occasional scrabble reference should I
> get a seperate book.
Get the 'Official Scrabble Players Dictionary' (OSPD) for US play, and both
that and Chamber's 'Official Scrabble Words' (OSW) for International play.

> Any binding thoughts appreciated, too.
The new FSF manuals are being bound in a neat new technology that lets
you lay them flat without breaking the spine, even though they look
like ordinary perfect binding.

G
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:09:27 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ohhhh, gif-less me...
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Natalie,
 Don't worry about progressive brain rot, dear.  Just put it down to still
being on vacation.
Doris
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:23:54 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re:Craftsmanship (Rita)
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              "RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU" at Jul 27, 92 12:05 pm

> <<...the woman I workshop with, Suzanne Berger..at least knows of you...>>
> Rita: I didn't know that you were in a workshop or that Suzanne
> Berger gave workshops. I'm not surpirsed that she knows of me, since
> I was her host when she read at Salem State College in '83 or '84
> and I have photographed her. She's a poet--is your workshop, then,
> all poetry? Who all else is in it? --Rod

	Oh, that's terrific!  Yes, Suzanne's workshop is predominantly
poetry, although occasionally we'll do a piece of fiction.  I'm the
newbie in the workshop, and the other regulars are John Briggs, Suzannah
[I can't remember her last name, but she just published a book on home
schooling], and Pamela Marin.  I think we may be looking for one other
person when we start up again in the fall.  Suzanne is a *wonderful*
poet to work under...

Rita
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:12:58 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: potato news
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              24 Jul 1992 13:58:34 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:58:34 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>Did he say when it might be?  Bernardykins and I are both very much here.
>He's at home right now and I'm at the office, so both fronts are covered.
>Where was Don going to be coming from when he goes through MS?  Starkville
>isn't on many main routes.

No, didn't say when.  He left here on Sat pm, and was spenidng Sat nite
(just past) in Salt Lake City.  Then on thru to Denver.  And don't know
where after that.  Obviously he almost HAS to go thru MS, but not sure
he's going thru that far norht, or that he had planned to.  He has to
be back at work on Monday, so it would seem it would have to be today
or tomorrow for MS, if not already gone thru.

I understand about not being on ANY main routes there.

dan
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:37:26 -0500
From:         Melicent Tlucek Bryarly <melicent@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 1992, Gilbert Smith wrote:
> >   But I have
> > always thought that the MG is the classiest of all sports
> > cars because it is so understated....  not dorky at all.
>
> Gil, you need to talk to your cousin Melicent in Victoria. Her husband
> works on MGs as a hobby and has restored a niffty one for her which she
> painted burnt orange, of course. If you are really interested in an MG
> drop her a note.
> -- patg
Gil, I knew there was something special about your taste. Pat is right
about my burnt organge MG. We have 4 others, including a '59 MGA.
Your cousin, Melicent, who is liking her kin more and more.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:19:09 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      BOMBAY
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> Whenever this happens, my mind goes back willy nilly to the happy days I spent
> in the rain-drenched city of Bombay                                   oods

This reminds me, my friend Betsy is back from 6 months in Calcutta,
w/ only a few parasites to show for it.  (She sure is *thin*--maybe
that's where I need to go. :)  )She said they'll be gone in two
weeks, and then she will have her memories.

Karen
who wishes someone else would write her dissertation for her.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:26:03 CDT
From:         Frank Peters <fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My Mac can do these...
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In article <2a6d9289.cursci@cursci.UUCP> Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk> says:
: On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:54:15 -0500, "Pat Gathright" <patg@TENET.EDU> wrote:
: > very moment my Mac is my favorite. I guess I don't understand the
: > single-mindedness of some people to think that one machine is superior to
: > all others. I guess the beauty of the machine is in the eye of the beholder.
:
: Some of us disdain the Macintrash not because of the interface (some of
: the bits they stole from Xerox are quite sensible)

Is there some particular reason to use "stole" rather than the more
accurate "legally acquired the right to use"?  They no more "stole"
xerox interface elements than GNU "stole" unix interface elements.

:                                                     but because they're
: a bunch of money-grubbing conmen who'd rather pay lawyers than programmers.

I can certainly agree with this part.  Too many people, though, use
their disagreement with this particular aspect of Apple as an excuse to
slam unfairly about other unrelated issues (like where they got
elements of their interface).
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:55:29 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      A Question of Arithmetic
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I've been having problems lately with ASCII downloads of long files.
But I've noticed something interesting with XMODEM downloads of the
same files (also unsuccessful, btw -- I've started using ftp instead of
downloading).  I get "bad block" messages on multiples of 80.  The last
file I tried to download (a text file) was 292 blocks.  PCPLUS stopped
and dealt with bad blocks on #80, 160, and 240.  I find this interesting
for some reason.  But I haven't the foggiest idea of what it's telling me.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:38:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Crosspost about women
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>I just felt you people out there would be amused if I posted this from a forum
>on another online service....
>-abh
>------------------
>    Women online?  Hahahaahaha  You must be kidding right?

>[blah...blah...blah]

>     Correct me if I'm wrong, but less than 1% of the people online are
>actual females, and only about one tenth of those I would actually
>describe as women.  The rest are feminazis and bored obese
>glad-trashbag-wearing housewives who call adult boards cruising for young
>teenage boys.

When did Rush Limbaugh start reading in women's groups???

Ken
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:46:19 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      pix
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              Gail Lester <gaill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>
              30 Jul 1992 07:17:27 GMT from
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On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:17:27 GMT <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> said:
>PS to Dan.  Will be sending you some pictures soon - actually have a few
>good ones of us all.

Good.  We also have some good ones of all of you, both individually and
collectively.  Will try to send them this weekend.  Gail is gonna get some
reprints of Clambake pix ordered RSN.  Maybe this weekend if Susanna and
I get out of her hair on Saturday and go to a movie or something.

dan
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:12:47 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Eating sugar
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              22 Jul 1992 11:57:44 EDT from
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:57:44 EDT Karen Kay said:
>I think of you every time I eat sugar, Dan.  I think you are very strong
>to have been able to stop.
>
   Thanks.  That's sweet.   8-)

Seriously, I couldn't do it without my support from OA.  Works for me.
Other things are answers for others, if they wish to pursue any "answers".
And for those who don't, that's fine too.  One of the things about OA
that I like is that there are people there who are 100 pounds, others at 300,
others at 500 even.  But all of us have the same disease/insanity, whther
we are skinny or fat, obese or anorexic.

Same for AA.  Some are still drinking, most aren't.  But all understand
the nature of the problem/disease and know how to help each other deal with it.

dan

p.s.   On another list, I've told people that for those who may be interested
in AA or OA that I would send them, free, a book about it if they would
promise to read it.  Then if they don't like it or it doesn't work for them,
then to simply give it to another person or to a library so maybe it will
help someone else.  12step programs are NOT a panacea.  They are NOT for
everybody.  But for some of us, they have saved our lives.

End of sermon.   8-)
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Subject:      Re: Women in Combat

*** Resending note of 07/31/92 13:50

*** Resending note of 07/31/92 13:26

>Then signs it...

>>                            Peace,
>>                                  Don

Betty, not a contradiction.  In no way am I advocating or approving of any
of the violence I described.  I was simply just trying to give a picture of
how bad a combat zone can be in reality.

Surprising..are the women of WORDS-L the only ones who have an opinion on
this subject, ....hmmmm they do seem kind of combative, though :-)
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:50:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject: Re: Gifs
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>Everybody who
>has e-mail can use ftp, although it's apparently rather messy to do it the
>mail way.

     Please elucidate.

     Signed,
     gifless and wistful in Beaverton
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Royalties
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>I have 2 friends who have syndicated columns, and neither of them
>have mentioned this problem.  I know one *has* had stuff picked up
>by the wires, and made enormous amounts of money from it. Hmmm...
>I'll have to remember all this when I get my own column.:)
>
>Karen

I'm not sure, but I think this is probably the difference between a
syndicated column, and just writing a column as an employee of a
newspaper.  Diane is a staff writer.

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:28:45 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Words (was Re: Girl Scouts)
              30 Jul 1992 09:08:28 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:08:28 CDT Natalie Maynor said:

>I assume that an agnostic might be considered a "semi-atheist," but what
>is a "semi-agnostic"?

I think what most people mean by agnostic is really "skeptic".  Not to
get too prescriptivist about it, but an agnostic claims that there
is little or nothing knowable about god.  The skeptic says "show me".

Tony H.
(Who remembers fondly various arguments about prescriptivism we used to
 have on the list)
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      also NOT aposiopesis
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because in aposiopesis is a sudden breaking off....and NOT saying it...

as in

 He's such an awful person ---  but I'd better not tell it....

dan
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: dreary weekend
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> but nobody thinks uf us poor deprived unaffiliated moneypaying lonesomes
> who can't afford to irc all night and who wonder and wonder what goes on
> behind our screens  ... when all our friends desert the Saloon and go to

Not to worry!  I'm confident that those who are new to the IRC/Relay scene
will grow weary of it very soon.  (I've spent almost no time on IRC but
spent enough time on Relay to know that the concept is interesting for a
while but then the new wears off and it becomes extraordinarily boring.)

> have no-one to keep us in *real* virtual reality ... WHAT ARE THEY *DOING*
> IN THERE????

I was falsely accused last night of having intentionally abandoned the
group without an "op" the previous night (or some other night) because
it seems that Graham, who started the channel, somehow passed along the
"op" status to me when he left -- but didn't tell me.  Last night Bernard
started the channel but then became a ghost when my computer crashed, so
I guess he left the group "op-less" then.  As far as I can tell, however,
the only point of an "op" is to play tricks on other people.  Oh -- all
this is in answer to the question of what has been going on on IRC. :-)

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:17:16 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Vainity
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              92 7:35 pm

> My name has been taken in vain.

And trembling silence suddenly overtakes the list...
--
   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:15:35 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: My Mac can do these...
              23 Jul 1992 17:44:10 EDT from <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:44:10 EDT Graham Toal said:

>     There are vast chunks of Xerox look-and-feel in the Mac that
>were never licenced.  However if anyone copies Apple look-and-feel
>they're taken to court for stealing the interface.  As if interfaces
>have any right to protection.  Code, yes; artistic works, yes; but
>the concept of a trash can - you must be joking.

My understanding is that the trash can is the one thing that the judge
*did* allow Apple to win in the suit.  Not that I agree with interface
copyrights, of course.

Tony H.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:09:09 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: So long, it's been good to know you

Bye, Bill!  Have a good trip, and see you when you get back.

Evelyn
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