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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:39:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Jul27.191525.25401@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes...

>Given that, can anyone name another  offensive and  defensive coordinator
>pair on a single NFL team which, in the past, produced a number 1 overall
>offense and a number 1 overall defense  other than Sam Wyche  (who is our
>offensive coordinator and head coach) and Floyd Peters?  And,  this is in
>addition to the fact that both have done this within the last four years,
>Sam for the Bengals, and Floyd for the Vikings.

Lindy Infante and Hank Bullough.  Or do you mean current coaching 
staffs?  The fact is that there are no guarantees.
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Eagles Training Camp News
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:40:03 GMT

First things first... Cunningham wont play in the Hall of Fame Game, or
in the game after that. He will be ready to play for the last 3 pre-
season games though. He is fine, Kotite is just nervous about letting him
out there too soon.

The Eagles have all of thier draft picks signed... the last was Casey Weldon
on Saturday night, no terms disclosed.


Unsigned Veterans: (12)
-----------------------
Jim McMahon - QB                 backup QB
Calvin Williams - WR             starting WR
Kenny Jackson - WR               wont make the cut anyway
Keith Jackson - TE               starting TE
Andre Waters - Safety            starting strong safety
Eric Allen - Cornerback          starting cornerback
Izel Jenkins - Cornerback        backup DB, nickle, dime DB
Otis Smith - Cornerback          sarting cornerback
Rich Miano - Safety              backup free safety
Byron Evans - Linebacker         starting middle linebacker
Britt Hager - Linebacker         backup linebacker
Roger Ruzek - kicker             starting place kicker

As you can see, most of the starting secondary still isnt in camp.

Ben Smith probably (more than likely) wont see ANY action this year. Otis
Smith filled in admirably, and has the starting job going into camp, assuming
he signs soon. Even if he doesnt, hes better than Jenkins... so they will
be trying to sign him sooner...

Thomas Sanders is hurt... more than likely out of a job anyway with the
Eagles now CROWDED backfield. Same foot problem as last year.

The Eagles will be keeping Herschel Walker, Keith Byars and Vai Sikahema.
The rest of the jobs depends on how they grade out in camp, but look
for Kotite to go with youth... meaning Stacy, Brooks, Joseph and Sherman
will make it, everyone else will be gone.

Look for two of those last four RBs to be tucked away on developement/IR,
with the remaining two seeing limited action behind Walker/Byars.

More info tommorow and a first hand report later in the week... I will
be visiting West Chester University (Eagles traingin camp grounds) at
least once in the next three days, possibly all three days if I have time...

later on...

also, I should have an up-to-date magazine prediction table out by
Wednesday night or so...




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From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Montana is toast!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:25:52 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

Face it people, Joe Montana is toast, his days as a top NFL QB are
over, done, finished. He had a great life in the NFL, I give him credit 
for that, he was one of the best. I went through this with Roger Staubach
years ago, it was time to go but many of the Dallas fans wanted him to 
stay on, I was one of them. The same thing is going on in SF, it's time 
for a change but the managment can't look like they are pushing him out
the door. All they can do is wait for him to make the choice to back out.
If he does not he will only cost the 9ers and Steve Young a entire season. 

Good luck 9ers you'll need it.....

tim
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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Cowboys vs. Lions
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:40:10 GMT

In article <25JUL199211544885@venus.tamu.edu> tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER) writes:
>In article <55062@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes...
>> 
>>Can anyone explain why Dallas never adjusted their defense against the
>>Lions after halftime in the playoff game? 
>>
>
>I'm not exactly sure, but I suspect that they may have had Barry
>Sanders-phobia.  Either that, or Jimmy Johnson was just outcoached in
>that game as Joe Gibbs was in the second game against the Cowboys.
>
>John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
>Pat Sommerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."
>________________________________________________________________________________

 I agree!!! In both games the Cowboys had Sanderitous :) and were out
 coached by Fontes!! The best touchdown off the '91 season was scored by
 Barry in that game. You know, the one where three people hit him and
 they fell, but he just bounced back and kept running while everyone
 else was wondering what the hell was going on!!!

Cure for Sanderitous: Take to fakes and watch ESPN in the morning!! :)

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= Wayne State University     ** Detroit Lions: 1991 Cntrl. Div. Champs 
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From: jamie@cae10.digital.co.jp (James Lyall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: CFL
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:57:45 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Digital Electronics Corp., Osaka, Japan

Does anyone on this group follow or discuss Canadian football?  Is there
someone willing to post results?  Not much CFL news makes it to Japan!!

Jamie
jamie@digital.co.jp
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana is toast!!!
Date: 31 Jul 1992 18:42:44 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <l7iubsINN1cc@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>Summary: 
>Keywords: 
>
>In article 13698@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
 >>Face it people, Joe Montana is toast, his days as a top NFL QB are
 >>over, done, finished. He had a great life in the NFL, I give him credit 
 >>for that, he was one of the best. I went through this with Roger Staubach
 >>years ago, it was time to go but many of the Dallas fans wanted him to 
 >>stay on, I was one of them. The same thing is going on in SF, it's time 
 >>for a change but the managment can't look like they are pushing him out
 >>the door. All they can do is wait for him to make the choice to back out.
 >>If he does not he will only cost the 9ers and Steve Young a entire season. 
 >>
 >>Good luck 9ers you'll need it.....
 >>
 >>tim
 >>
 >
 >
 >Sounds like what I heard after his back problems....will you never learn???
 >
 >
 >Go Niners
 >
 >Brian@baja

Many a painfull Sunday for 9ers fans if your right,
your not. Pre season starts tommorow, at this point a Jr. High QB
can out throw him. Really I hope you are right I will enjoy watching the 9ers
get blasted on Sundays.

tim

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Vincent vs Buckley (Re: Packer depth chart starters)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:55:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.185329.9902@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.162642.15056@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...
>
 (My Troy Vincent ramblings deleted)

>Only time will tell if Buckley is any better than Vincent.  The thing 
>is the Packers drafted Buckley for things other than pure football 
>talent.  They LIKE his brashness.  It seems to me that a very large 
>percentage of players who have his attitude are hard to sign.  Maybe 
>the Packers should have expected it but, before the draft, Buckley 
>certainly sounded like he wouldn't be too hard to sign.
>
>Probably, though, the unsignability is a temporary thing.  Lot's of 
>players who hold out as rookies never hold out again.  Sterling Sharpe 
>held out as a rookie, for example.  On the other hand, lot's of people 
>who signed easily as rookies hold out later, ie. Don Majkowski.
>
>What's more damaging to a team, a rookie holdout or a veteran holdout? 
>I don't think you should draft players on basis of their signability.

   I agree. It's just IMO that Buckley will be tough to sign and tough to
   keep around. Too flashy for little ole Green Bay. IMO Vincent will be
   just as good if not a better player than Buckley and would've been
   happy to stay in Wisconsin. I think Buckley was a good pick, but I
   guess in reality my heart would've went with Vincent.

   --Salty

>JGH
From: donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:45:51 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
><tokuno.712433772@milton>, tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
>>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
>>>Joe Montana still says he feels like he's not getting much zip on the
>>>ball, and complains that his arm feels tired.
>>According to the wire service story I read this morning, Joe will be
>>sitting out practica ll day today because his arm is sore and tired.  This
>>is not a good sign. 
>Yep, it's beginning to look that way. Ira Miller, a columnist for the
>Chronicle, had a big column on the front page of the sports page today,
>titled something like "Is This the End for Montana?". 

As a direct response to the above, the speculation and second guessing,
Montana in a interview today stated 1) the soreness he has been experiencing
was NOT in the area that was operated on and 2) the soreness and fatigue
was from his overworking his arm in the exercise program he has been
involved with in rehab, and he thinks he/they were working his arm too 
hard to be ready for the first preseason game. He has decided to concentrate
on being 100% by the opener, and he thinks he is about 90 to 95% back to
form now. He says he has had no problems related to the off-season operation,
and the stress he has been putting on the arm and the resulting effects
are normal soreness and fatigue one would expect from bringing something
all the way back to normal in rehab.

>Bradshaw had similar elbow surgery at the end
>of his career, and after the surgery/rehab he ended up playing only 18 more
>minutes during the next season, and that was it for his career. 

This has been rehashed here before, and Bradshaws case was in a different
area and much worse. Hey, no two cases are the same anyway...

I for one think Montana will never be 100%, and he has yet to do a full
years service in the last few years, but I will take a 90% Montana over
90% of the QBs out there today, and I am being conservative. Well, the
sports writers and the Montana/49er haters have to have SOMETHING to 
write about....				;-)


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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Bronco Bits
Keywords: nfl, schedule, 1992
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:35:55 GMT

Exploratory surgery on Vance Johnson's shoulder revealed that there was in fact
a tear.  He is out ~3 months.  Ick.

Derek Russell is said to be healthy (broke hand in charity basketball game
during the offseason) and will start with Mark Jackson at WR.  Broncos are
exploring trade possibilities to help out at WR.

:-(
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From: gogo@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (donald.gogolin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 1st round signings?
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:11:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <55431@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, markn@assisi.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Mark Nass) writes:
> 
>    I was watching ESPN the other night and they said that 14
> of the 28 first round picks have signed already. I only know of
> 10. Does anybody else know who the other 4 are that have signed?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Nass
> 
> 
> 1. Colts - Steve Emtman  DE----------->Signed
> 2. Colts - Quentin Coryatt  LB-------->Signed
> 3. Rams - Sean Gilbert  DT------------>Signed
> 15. Jets - Johnny Mitchell  TE-------->Signed
> 17. Cowboys - Kevin Smith  DB--------->Signed
> 18. 49ers - Dana Hall  DB------------->Signed
> 22. Bears - Alonzo Spellman  DE------->Signed
> 24. Cowboys - Robert Jones  LB-------->Signed
> 25. Broncos - Tommy Maddox  QB-------->Signed
> 27. Bills - John Fina  OT------------->Signed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

add
 9. Browns - Tommy Vardell  FB-------------Signed

to the list!
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From: SARZALA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: I want the weights of any/all football players
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:07:36 GMT
Organization: Yale University


 
I want to know the weights of any and all players you can send me.
If anyone out there knows other parameters I need to know for calculating
the odds on games, please send me that information. Any related material
will also be appreciated.
 
Send to sarzala.yalevm
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From: mwd9135@usl.edu (Durand Michael W)
Subject: Re: Cowboys training camp 
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.024447.11669@tamsun.tamu.edu> cgl5564@tamuts.tamu.edu (Chris G. Larsen) writes:
>I was wondering if some one could up date me on Kevin Smith's playing (or
>lack thereof) and his hamstring (?).
>
>Thanx
>--
>chris 

Smith has really impressed since returning from injury and had an incredible
one-handed interception during a scrimmage against the Oilers. He said after
the game that if his hamstring had been OK he would have had another one for a
touchdown.  You have to love his confidence.

Later,
  Mike

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From: mwd9135@usl.edu (Durand Michael W)
Subject: Cowboys Sign Rangers Centerfielder
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:52:48 GMT

I heard that Donald Harris has put his stagnant minor league baseball
career on hold to play for the Cowboys (or at least try to make the team).
He played safety for two years at Texas Tech and was, I believe, all SWC
one of those years. The Cowboys drafted him in the 12th round this year
without expecting him to sign, but I've heard that he did sign and has made
the trip to Tokyo with the team. Johnson and company are supposedly in love
with his athletic ability and he was coached at Texas Tech by Cowboys 
assistant Robert Ford. 

Does anyone on the net remember him as a player at Texas Tech ?

Thanks,
    Mike

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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Steve Emtman (posted for Brian L)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:55:50 GMT


I wrote:
> 
>   Could someone please post some sort of a report on how Steve Emtman is 
> coming along as an Indianapolis Colt? 
> 
>   Your help and comments are appreciated. 
> 
>   Cheers, 
> 
>   Behzad 
> 

Hey.. I go into a new feed that doesn't allow me to post so,  I'll relay what 
I know to you and you can post it if you see fit.

Emtman has been a every camp and mini camp that the Colts have put on since the
draft.   Steve and Coryatt have beeen in on 11 on 11 drills and are learning 
the system that is very similiar to the huskies system last year.  Emtman is 
having no problems and at times is helping out others in skill and endurance 
drills. He and Coryatt have bee working very well togeher in hole pluging 
stunts.  Steve  is said to have a great knack at plugging holes and just 
forcing the play the way he wants it to go. The entire coaching staff is 
astonished at the pure physical strength  that he and Coryatt have displayed 
in the weight room.  Apparently Entman has benched well over 500 pounds without
working up a sweat.  Coryatt has squated huge amounts of weight that have 
blown all vetrens and coaches away.  Also causing  no rookies pranks to be 
pulled on them in camp.

More as I hear...

Brian L


--> Thank you Brian for your post.  Maybe these two guys can help Indi become
--> a much better team.

--> Behzad
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Training Camp Report
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:26:36 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <Bs3vCz.6ry@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) writes:
>
>Rypien had made a promise to his father before he died that he will play
>at least one year in the CFL.  If the Redskins don't make him an offer
>which he likes soon he may be coming to Toronto.  I have heard that the
>numbers Toronto were going to give him were $6 Million for 2 years.  He
>has said publicly up here that he would like to stay in Washington but
>is glad he has another choice in Toronto.
>

Rypien isn't a CFL quarterback...he'd be the second coming of Vince
Ferragamo...Doug Flutie is a CFL quarterback...Rypien wouldn't even
be one of the three best quarterbacks in the CFL because he is immobile.

In the CFL, if a quarterback can't run, he is basically worthless, or
at least severely handicapped.

Gerald
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: Moon walks at camp
Keywords: $$$ dispute??
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:29:38 GMT

In article <l7b3esINNcr@cronkite> nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Heard that Moon walked out on the Oilers taining camp?  What is the story here?
>Any news on when he'll be back?
>

	He borded the plane for Sushi-Land and the match up with
	the Boys from Dallas on Aug 1st.


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From: eugene@lakeview.Berkeley.EDU (Eugene Nomura)
Subject: Phoenix Cardinals News
Reply-To: eugene@lakeview.Berkeley.EDU (Eugene Nomura)
Organization: Compass Design Automation/VLSI Technology, Inc. (San Jose)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:02:18 GMT

Just some stuff about the Cardinals as someone
requested

Unsigned players as of 7-21:

Ed Cunningham OL (draft pick)
Ken Harvey  LB
Johnny Johnson RB
Bill Lewis  C
Lance Smith OL  (I think he is unsigned)
Jim Wahler  DL

Timm Rosenbach is practicing at training camp.
No word on whether he will start the preseason games.
Tony Sacca has signed and is in camp.  He is projected
as a long term project and the 3rd or 4th QB.

Tim McDonald is also practicing (recovering from
 ankle injury)

Rumor has it that Luis Sharpe could be traded to
the Raiders when they come for a scrimmage later
during camp.

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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Eagles Training Camp
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:34:01 GMT


     Well, went to West Chester today to see my boys do thier thing,
and I saw some good things, some bad things.

The Good: Herschel Walker - he ran around, through, over and away from
every defensive unit. By far the best back we`ve had since Wilbert
Montgomery.
          Randall Cunningham - looked as good as ever. Scrambled away
from a few 'sack` situations during reciever drills.
          Keith Byars - has a new lease on life knowing there is a 
quality backfield partner (besides Randall). He played/practiced hard,
determined and fought for every inch.
          Pumpy Tudors - nailed every punt. Feagles is out of a job.


The Bad: Still no starting secondary.
         The receivers - they all looked like the QBs were throwing
hand grenades. Granted most of 'em were scrubs, but stil...
         Brandon Houston - rookie OT - started a fight every 15 mins

The running backs: Stacy and Sherman looked pathetic. Brooks and Joseph
looked good. Walker was spectacular and Byars was very good.

The QBs: all looked below average except Archer and Cunningham. Give
Weldon a break though, it was his first day.

The Defense: was good. Tommy Jeter held his own out there. I think the
unit will survive and be motivated.

The recievers: see the bad. Barnett was about average. Guess they just
had an off day or need more time...

The scrub secondary: looked good, but the recievers were dropping
everything anyway. McMillan, despite his size, is a keeper.

Well, thats all for now...
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