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From: LUCKE@NDSUVM1.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Zoo Crew
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:44:47 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

In article <1992Oct8.071721.11337@news.iastate.edu>, baarniy@iastate.edu (Scott
A Coon) says:
>
>    I'm sure almost everyone remembers Capt. Carrot and His Amazing
>Zoo Crew (from around 1982).  Wildly unsuccessful series, which
>happens to be a personal favorite of mine.  There was a three-
>double-size issue miniseries set in Oz and Wonderland about 1986,
>I think.  The totality of Zoo Crew literature that I'm aware of,
>then, is the two years of regular issues and this miniseries.  I ask
>you, is that IT?  Is DC just allowing these characters to languish

Well, I don't know if you're counting the initial Superman title that Captain
Carrot appeared in.  It was either DC Comics Presents or Superman, I'm not
quite sure which right now.  I had the issue.  I once was a huge CC fan as well
quite some time back.  It was all about the meteorite that was causing problems
for Supermax who had to then go to Captain Carrot's earth, and he proceeded to
teach CC how to be super...  I believe the story carried on into the first
issue of Zoo Crew, so you probably know about it...

BTW, I always wanted to read the issue where the Zoo Crew met Justa Lotta
Animals.  Do you have it?  Was it good?

Kyle A. Lucke             ...longing for the days when a character named
lucke@vm1.nodak.edu          Pig Iron could actually appear in a monthly
                             comic as a main character...
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 views
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:01:47 GMT

I seem to recall a company line that all heroes and supervillains had pretty 
much vanished from the face of the Earth decades ago in 2099.  Age, death in 
combat, or simply leaving the plane (like Thor, probably) got rid of most if 
not all of them.  Eventually they'll probably explain what happened to all the 
ones that would logically survive, and might make a big crossover Annual thingy
out of it.  @whee.
     Dave Van Domelen, and in the spirit of Superpro, comes Slider-Man 2099!
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From: raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES)
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:43:14 GMT

In article <22878@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>I agree with the first post on this one.  Silvestri did the BEST work he has  
>done in a long time.  Since I happen to think that Jim Lee is the best at what  
>is out there right now I would venture to say that Silvestri out did Lee this  
>time!  And when anyone out there happens to critisize either Lee or Silvestri,  
>then I would like to know WHO draws better then them...?
>
>And don't tell me McFarland or Byrne.  Although I like their art, Byrne's  
>figures look like stick figures compared to Silvestri or Lee and Mcfarland  
>hasn't had an anatomy lesson in his life! (I still like his stuff, but I rate  
>Silvestri and Lee in a highger artistic category!)
>
>Not EVERY comic has to be intellectually stimulating, every once in a while I  
>enjoy the easy-to-digest storylines.  (Yes, I read Sandman too - BUT I don't  
>look down upon other 'types' of comics like so many on this net.  Why can't
>someone like Cyberforce AND Sandman???)
>
>Chris
>
>PS: Someone said the colors were ok... - What an UNDERSTATEMENT!  This is
>the best that's been out sofar!  If you say they were ok, I would assume that  
>you've seen better in a comicbook.  If not, then you have a pretty mundane  
>life, if you categorize everything out there as cool...
>

First of all, let me say that I'm willing to give CF a chance. I agree
that it is Silvestri's best work to date, and the story is at least 10
times the quality of Youngblood/Brigade. 

I had a hard time with all the Xmen/Xforce swipes. I wonder what Marvel's
lawyers think of all of this?  The four armed guy was STUPID. A bad idea!!
It actually ruined the first issue for me. Speaking of never having had
an anatomy lesson!!! Sheeesh!!

If you think that Lee is the best thing in comics right now, then you must 
be a fanboy. His work lacks originality, IMHO. The style is too much
Neal Adams. 

As far as Image goes, McFarlane and Keown have him beat hands down. 
I'm also thinking that Portacio will blow him away.

But I would much rather look at, say the latest issue of Archer and Armstrong
by BWS than ANY of the image line. Or Joe Quesada, who I think is hands
down the best new artist out there. I also like what Jae Lee is doing
stylistically. Did you see Gulacy's run on LOTDK a while back?? Incredible
stuff. Chris Bacchalo has been doing a great run on Shade: perfectly
suited for the mood of the book.

Kuberts run on the Batman/Predator thing was also incredible. Lets see,
I hate to forget anyone. Angel Medina (sp?) over on Warlock and IW is
doing nice work. Oh, yeah, I saw Jerry Ordways painted SHAZAM graphic 
novel at the Dan Diego Con. It was beautiful. Highly recommended.

later,
Rodney Boles
 
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Jim (Dev-Null) Cowling)
Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:18:28 GMT

In article <Oct.10.00.19.28.1992.23646@dorm.rutgers.edu> jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) writes:
>First, let me just say that I thoroughly enjoyed this issue, especially the
>"Aunt May scene" promised in issue #1 - that was priceless!

Spider-Man 2099 #2 was INFINITELY better than #1.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.
In fact, I even bought it!

Just goes to show that anyone can have a bad month, I guess.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
AKA Dev-Null, eighth-to-last surviving Daxamite
-------
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Send in the clones: Legion Problems
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 10:05:50 EDT
Keywords: Don't Forget the Chaos...

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> >     Where the hell did the proper memories come from that both SW6 and the
> >"Old Fogies" apparently share?  I'm sorry but they used any cloning material
> >for spare parts, why would they have brain scans lying around?
> 
> Because the writers don't know science.  As far as they're concerned, they
> don't _need_ brain scans.  Any references to brain scans you may have found a
> fans' desparate attempt to make sense out of nonsense, not real plot elements
> 
> >If they did ,

Remember that this is a universe with plenty of magic - which the clones 
could be at least partially victims of - *and* in which we have planets 
full of telepaths.  Manipulations of memories (by pseudoscientific means 
of others) seems to follow; why not?

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: HOORAY!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:34:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigboote.1bioshINN925
Distribution: world
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


Praise the gods of chaos and order!!

* * * * * * * * * 
* Pete Kennaday *
* * * * * * * * *

There's another Simonson fan out there! 
Simonson rules!!

Mike


-- 
"A finely tempered nature longs to escape from his noisy cramped surroundings
into the silence of the high mountains where the eye ranges freely through the
still pure air and fondly traces out the restful countours apparently built for
eternity."  - Albert Einstein    ***E-mail mikecap****
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Who is Scarier?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:39:16 GMT

> I am the GRADER FROM HELL! - Dave van Doelem

Obviously I am going to have to find something scarier than this. I
don't know how, but I shall have to try.


How about FANBOY FROM HELL? No that is probably more pathetic.
Suggestions are welcome.

 
*************************************************************************
* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
************************************************************************

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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: RoachDemon (or is that DemonMill ?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:12:04 GMT


	I can't believe that this subject hasn't been brought up
yet.  Do you guys realize who the new art team for DEMON is?  Them
crazy boys from ROACHMILL, Rich Heeden and Tom McWeeney!!!  Ok, I know
their art looks tons better in black & white, but I still can't wait to
see what they do in that book.  And you thought this book was tongue in
cheek now...

P.S.  How many of our ROACHMILL buddies do you think will pop up in
      the background?



-- 
*****************************************************************************
* Dara Naraghi                       * "Love isn't really blind...just      *
* dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu *  selectively nearsighted"--The Hulk  *
*****************************************************************************
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:14:13 EDT

ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) writes:

> In article <1992Oct12.214724.9807@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) wr
> >panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden):
> >>What I *don't* have a theory for is how they know Destruction is on earth.
> 
> >Oh, that's easy!  That missing cosmic entities will be hiding on Earth 
> >and that random time-travel will cause the subjects to wind up in the
> >twentieth century are special cases of the same Universal Law.
> 
> More commonly known as the Trek Effect.
> 
> Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>


Of course!  I should have realized this at once.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

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From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Grendel -Warchild
Reply-To: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:54:29 GMT

In article <22875@galaxy.ucr.edu>, zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>
>Well, the only reason I bought Grendel is because everyone on the net was  
>saying how good this book is/was.  I missed the first ones, so I decided to  
>give warchild a chance...  sofar BIG dissappointemnt (espec. #3)  Matt is  
>dragging this thing out beyond belief!
>
>Is it just me?
>
>Chris

No, it's not you.  It's Dark Horse.

Many of their miniseries that I bought in the past have been stretched
out pretty thin, taking four issues to tell a story that could be completed 
in two or three.  Examples that come to mind are "Terminator: Secondary
Objectives", "Predator: Cold War", and "Terminator: Enemy Within".  With 
"Grendel: Warchild", Matt Wagner is taking ten issues to tell a story that
could be completed in half that number.

Why is this happening?  Well, Dark Horse is falling victim to the same greed
that has corrupted Marvel and Valiant and every other comics company.
More books equals more money; that's their incentive.

I loved Wagner's LOTDK and Demon stories, and this Grendel concept has a lot
of promise.  Unfortunately it's being wasted.

						Steve A.
From: c60b-3fe@e260-4c.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:18:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-4c.berkeley.edu

In article <16OCT199213392640@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
>
>Having three arms on one side of the body might allow him to "do" more, like 
>hold a couple of extra guns, but the two extra arms could hinder the 
>character in many cases.  Certainly, having multiple arms stacked on top 
>of each other would restrict the motion of any one arm.

  True, but if you have 3 arms, you only need a third the mobility in each.
The upper can be used for pulling the body up, the middle arm can shake
hands, and the bottom arm can push down.  Who cares if the upper arm cant
shake hands.  The middle one can do it.  :) (This is just an example)

>Usually, a lot of eye/hand coordination is needed to manipulate oblects.  
>Since the character only has one set of eyes, he is limited in what he can 
>do with his other hands.  For instance, He may be able to hold four guns, 
>but he can only aim at one target at a time.  He may be able to use the 
>guns to put multiple holes in any one enemy but he can't shoot four targets 
>at once.  Using a single rapid-fire weapon would accomplish the same thing.

Sure, but 3 rapid fire weapons would accomplish 3 times as much.  Also, if
there are multiple targets in the same general area, he could aim at each
one separately.  Also, he wouldn't be limited because he only has 2 arms.
That just affects the range of his vision.  It's not like your eyes act
independently anyway.  One eye wouldn't aim for one arm and the other eye
for the other arm.  It would just take practice.  Kind of like moving up
from the NES (nintendo) with its 2 buttons, to the SEGA or SNES (super NES)
with its 3 buttons.

Coffee
-- 
Welcome to the punchline .sig
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Summary: Most Holy is infallible.
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:14:17 GMT
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <1ba178INNobk@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.215821.7681@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>)In article <1b30v5INNls9@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>)>	At the beginning of the conversation
>)>Desire tells Despair that Dream is back. (I.e. out of the crystal
>)>sphere.) So that conversation takes place in the present, and not
>)>in a flashback. 
>)
>)Perdon? I just checked issue #10, and Desire says nothing of the
>)kind. 
>
>	I haven't checked the actual dialogue; I'll do so tonight. 
>But I'm sure that the start of the dialogue goes approximately:
>Desire: I have big news. He's back.
>Despair: The prodigal?
>Desire: Who? Oh, him. No, no, I speak of Dream.

Close, but (cigarp) => nil.

The conversation starts thus:

Desire: I have news.

Despair: Real news? The prodigal has returned?

Desire: Who? No, he's still missing. No, I speak of Dream.

Desire never says that anyone's back. The "news" ke speaks of is
the existence of a female Vortex, which is news about Dream.
Thus, for all the aforementioned reasons, I believe this
conversation takes place before Desire raped Unity, i.e.
pre-1932.

Go an' check, I'll wait...
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cthulhu as Prez (Was: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21073
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <keonQNe00iV0Q4nH9B@andrew.cmu.edu> jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John
Hamilton Slye) writes:
>BTW Do you have your CTHULHU for President button on right now? Personally I'm
>for Stimpy in '92. He has that stupid look and "Duh, I can do it" down
>just right.

I have been wearing my Cthulhu for President button, except to bed,
constantly since I first got it early this summer. Gained me a lot of
interesting stares in the Sea-Tac airport.

"Up from the depths
 Thirty stories high
 Breathing slime
 His head in the sky
 CTHULHU! CTHULHU! CTHULHU!"

"And Cthooky...."


-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:37:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21012
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>   Huh? Excuse me, but am I reading that someone is trying to show how
>ignorant I am based on an opinion? I took AP Art History in high school,
>it may not be a college class, but it's supposed to be representative of
>one. In that class, I did not see one piece of 20th century art that I
>liked. So I believe that this qualifies me to make a "sweeping
>statement" (which is only my opinion) that I don't like 20th century
>"art". (BTW when I'm referring to 20th century art, I mean the new "in"
>styles that occurred this century. Anything which is drawn clean and
>with a certain amount of realism and is true-to-form, I'm not including.)

Clean and real also covers a lot of 20th Century art. Please make the correct
sweeping statements when you're just blithering on. And the only thing which
qualifies anyone to make a sweeping statement is a big mouth (me included).
Being well-versed in the area of question just lets you back up your
arguments for a longer time. :-)

>I believe that that
>kind of abstraction distracts the reader from the story and makes it
>difficult to figure out what's going on. (At least for me.) I enjoy the
>art of Ron Lim and I thought the Infinity Gauntlet by Perez was
>beautiful!

And I hold that Mignola is truly talented because you can read the emotions
in the pictures, and Lee is worthless for anything but lunchbox art because
he can't draw two panels that have any sequential story linking them.

>BTW, I received a 5 on the exam.

100 was passing? Gah!
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD.  Is it really him?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:01:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.200112.23593
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct12.191005.4019@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.181519.17002@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>In article <92cj02Mq25ob01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct9.164044.21836@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com writes:
>>>>In article <70615@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:
>>>>~Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently)
>>>>~Hulk fame?
>>>>~I haven't been involved with the net long enough to know.
>>>>Yep.  It's him.
>>                              *************
>>>Shouldn't that be: Yep. It's  * H * I * M * 
>>>                              *************
>>>complete with a choir of angels singing in the background? :-) 
>>	Angels??
>He is dead you know.

	Well, yeah. I'm just wondering if we got the right acommpaniasts...

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: DC: recurring Sandman theme
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.150743.24456@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
>I don't know if this is in the annotations already, but it occurred to
>me last night that Gaiman has been repeating a theme in several of
>his short stories.  The stories of Orpheus, the Parliament of Rooks,
>and the upcoming Arabian Nights all have to do with the life-or-death
>treatment of an artist by his audience.
>
>I tried to flesh this out into a more sweeping conclusion, but it quickly
>became ridiculous.  So there it sits.
>
>	-dp-
	You know, this is how comic artists (writers and illustrators) are
generally treated in the market-oriented business.  If people don't like your 
work, you're not going to get very far.  I am recalling especially "The 
Parliament of Rooks"  (which I just read today...hehe).
	I wonder if that has anything to do with anything...hmm.

Ravi
gatsby@wam.umd.edu
From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:46:31 GMT
	<1992Oct12.214724.9807@netcom.com>
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

In article <1992Oct12.214724.9807@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden):
>>What I *don't* have a theory for is how they know Destruction is on earth.

>Oh, that's easy!  That missing cosmic entities will be hiding on Earth 
>and that random time-travel will cause the subjects to wind up in the
>twentieth century are special cases of the same Universal Law.

More commonly known as the Trek Effect.

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Grendel -Warchild
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:24:51 EDT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> 
> My favorite is probably the final storyline, the Orion Assante one.  Though
> in a sense it had the most "un-Grendel-like" feel to it (if there is such a
> thing! :-)

I'm not sure what you mean by "un-Grendel like" - was it that the 
identity of Grendel was obscured?  Anyway, I otherwise agree with your 
statement - this was a wonderful story with *great* characterization and 
theme, maybe because Wagner took time to develop it.

> 
> I dunno; I really liked the varying artists.  Wagner is a very good artist,
> but I think his style would have been out-of-place in, say, the Thatcher
> storyline.  I think he's more versatile as a writer than as an artist.

I happen to love Wagner's art, but I thought the variations in artists 
added a variety that we couldn't otherwise have had.  Wagner let 
different styles dictate the atmosphere.  

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: mannr@feline.uucp (Ron Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Doom Patrol
Summary: Morrison
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:02:07 GMT
Followup-To: mannr@feline.uucp
Distribution: na
Organization: Humber College Technology Dept.

Any idea who the next writer after Morrison will be?