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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:59:08 GMT

In <1992Sep14.051623.25209@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:

>In article <d9xndga.mzimmers@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>  [deleted]
[snip]

>>3. Montana makes that last drive work.

>    Bono would do the job too.  At least not be intecpected in critical
>    moments.

Over 400 yards, no punts, and a single interception, and the refrain is still
"Montona would have done it.  Bono would have done it."  Those two never
threw any interceptions?

If you're so unhappy with Young, why don't you send him to Seattle?  (Send
some other players while you're at it -- Seattle needs lots of help.)


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From: 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Huey Richardson, Knoll's last failure?
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:38:09 GMT

In article <MedaLS200awUIFiVI4@andrew.cmu.edu>, ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Glenn Huegle) writes:
> 
>  	 Yesterday, Steelers' 1991 First round pick, Huey Richardson, was
> traded to the Washington Redskins for a 7th round pick.  I think they
> might have given up on him a bit too early, but I guess I hadn't watched
> him very closely in the pre-season.  
> 	Huey was the last pick of the Chuck Knoll administration and it was one
> of the biggest flops, to this point, in the history of the Steelers. 
> When one looks at the post 70's drafting of Knoll, it's not hard to
> notice it sucked.  This gets me to wonder if Knoll, or whoever he had do
> it, actually had any ability as a drafter and had just had gotten lucky
> in the early and mid-70's.  Since the late 70's the Steelers have almost
> always been a mediocre team, even though Knoll was still there. 
> 	In my opinion, Knoll was a pretty good coach, he just sucked as a
> drafter and it is extremely hard to win without talent.  Currently, the
> only substantial talents that the Steelers have are Eric Green ( I
> really like this guy) and Rod Woodson and possibly Greg Lloyd.  Lipps is
> past his prime and Neil O'Donnell,  Barry Foster, and a good portion  of
> the secondary have, IMHO, shown a bit of potential.  (I probably forgot
> someone, but that's all I can think of now.)
> 	An interesting stat for a head coach would be the Number of Hall of
> Famers Drafted.  Knoll, I believe, would be pretty far up there in the
> list.  Another interesting stat would be number of 1st round picks who
> aren't with the team after 5 years, or number of 1st round picks who
> aren't starting after 5 years.  It seem that Knoll would be pretty far
> up this list also.  
> 	So, I was just wondering, was Huey Richardson a fitting farewell to the
> Knoll era, or was he just a long line of underachievers drafted by
> Knoll, or both?  I think part of the Draft is to identify these
> underachievers and pick someone else and in this area, Knoll failed
> miserably.  Of course, that's just my opinion.
> 
> 			Chris
(K)Noll doesn't draft the players, Rooney has final say 
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Status of Steve Young
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:48:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <18jdqpINN802@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jon Waler) writes:

>Is he going to start on Sunday, if they haven't made a decision,
>when will the 49ers make one??

As of Sunday evening, he and the two other official Niner injuries, (Rice
and Harris[?]) were all listed as probable for this week.


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From: zucker@raid.dell.com (Brian Zucker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:34:23 GMT
Reply-To: zucker@raid.UUCP (Brian Zucker)
Distribution: na
Organization: Dell Computer Co

In article <1992Sep14.195559.13369@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>Yeah Cofer has been to unpredictable and downright undependable
>to keep.  
>
>I know the perfect replacement for him.  The Saints had a guy kicking
>for Morten Anderson in the pre-season that was hitting their 
>field goals.  But, with Anderson healthy they don't need him.
>
>He was moderately impressive when given the chance with the Saints,
>but he really showed in the WAFL where he won the WAFL championship
>with a long field goal.  
>
>Carey Blanchard.  Somebody tell Seifert.

Sorry man.  The Saints are that stupid.  They put him on their developmental
squad.

Brian
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BILLMS.92Sep9110440@z.eecs.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:20:55 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Sep9110440@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

   In article <1992Sep09.140343.301@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:

	  The one quote that cracked me up was made by FGifford.  Referring to
      Emmitt's goal of a 2000yd season, he said that a goal of 125 yards per
      CARRY was not unrealistic.  Reality, what a concept!  :)

   quick: name the last team to lose a non-planB free agent.  It may end up
   costing Dallas more, but he probably won't even get an offer from another
   team.

Damn.  Followup misfire.  Imagine, if you will, this previous responce being
made with regards to the comment about Dallas only renting Haley because SF
let him out of the last year of his contract.

Oopps...

Bill
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:49:29 -0400 
From: Christopher Kelly <ck3s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: What's up with Butts?

Does anyone in the San Diego area know why Marion Butts seems to be
underachieving?  Are they emphasizing the pass or Rod Bernstine?  Or is
he hurt?
Help!  I keep using him in my FFL and getting nothing in return. 
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Jay Schroeder???
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:24:49 CDT

So, is Jay a relative of Al Davis's?  I mean, why the hell has he put up
with that crap for so long?  Is Todd Marinovich going to be the superstar
that Al hopes, or will the Raiders be QB-less for years to come?
-- 

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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: success of colleges in producing pro players?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:11:20 GMT
Followup-To: s
Distribution: usa
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <12345@cis.rand.org>, bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow) writes:
> >
> >What I can more easily verify is that Stanford, which is not the most 
> >dominant team in the Pac-10 by any stretch, has 15 NFL players, not including
> >the four drafted in 1992.  These include some of the longest standing players,
> >including James Lofton (14 years), Darrin Nelson (10 years), and John Elway (9 years).
> 
> 
> I think that in general (ie. over the years), USC has produced more
> pro players than any other school although I don't have the figures
> at my finger tips.  This goes for recent years as well, although I
> think Washington is No. 1 now.
> 
> Stan

Wrong.  USC is still #1 in players on current rosters.  As I posted
before they have 39 players.  I think Notre Dame and Miami come in
a close second and third.  Washington is up there but is not #1.


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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Re: Buffalo television\
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:12:51 GMT

In article 24925@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>Well here in the Wonderous city of Buffalo :} it happened again. At 1:00
>>the bills played the Rams and on the other station that was supposed to
>>show the Falcons/Jets game they broadcasted some bullshit. 
>
>I'm pretty sure that this is part of the NFL TV agreement (like
>blackout of un-soldout games): When the local team is at home, the
>station that shows that game is not allowed to do a double header.
>
>I certainly remember sometime last year that the Niners were at home
>and therefore the CBS affiliate didn't show a Skins-Giants game or
>something.
>
>Bring on PPV...
>

PPV??? Get real, get a dish. It'll be cheaper in the long run versus what
PPV will eventually cost you if they start charging you!!!




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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Bruce Smith question
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:24:08 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <BuLnHF.818@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.215744.27874@oz.plymouth.edu> d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White) writes:
>>
>>Was Smith a major factor in the 49'r - Bills game?  I couldn't watch it
>>because of hopeless Patriot fans observing the Pats get stomped.  I
>>guess what I'd like to know is how all individual stars did, stats and
>>stuff.  If someone could post that, it'd be great.
>>
>>Bills rule!
>
>Here they are:
>		BUFFALO				SAN FRANCISCO
>
>Defense	Tkls	Asst	Sack	Defense		Tkls	Asst	Sack
>Jones		9	0	0	Davis		6	0	0
>Odomes		7	0	0	Holt		6	0	0
>Talley		5	1	0	Hanks		5	0	0
>Bailey		5	0	0	Romanowski	5	0	0
>Wright		5	0	0	Hall		4	1	0
>Schultz	3	1	0	Walter		4	0	0
>Bennett	3	0	0	Griffin		3	0	0
>Jackson	3	0	0	Roberts		3	0	1
>Williams	3	0	0	Washington	3	0	0
>Conlan		2	0	0	Goss		2	2	0
>Hansen		2	0	1	Carter		2	0	0
>Kelso		2	0	0	Harris		2	0	0
>Lodish		2	0	0	Johnson		2	0	1
>Darby		1	0	0	Brown		1	1	0
>					DeLong		1	0	0
>					Fagan		1	0	0

Wait, a sec. Am I missing something? It doesn't look as though Smith had
1 tackle, asst, or sack. Is that right?

Congrats again to the Buffalo fans. And again the question, couldn't the
49ers even get a field goal kicker for Haley? :(



Tom Wolf
From: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The "NEW" Giants
Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:48:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) says:

>So Giants fans (if any are out there...)
>
>Do you think the second half of the game was the "all new improved GIANTS"
>that we were waiting for.
>
No.  We saw Dallas relax and play prevent defense.  And as much as I liked
seeing the Giants show a little life, I almost wish they hadn't.  Because
now Handley & co can say "see, we can play well!  We're not really a bad
team!  One more play and we could've won!".  It only further delays
the housecleaning, both in the coaching staff and in the players, that 
has to come.  The Giants came out and played like dogshit.  They showed no
emotion, no spirit, no thinking and very little skill for the first 35 or 
so minutes.  Coming out like that, playing flat against a division rival at
home, is inexcusable, and I think it is attributable partly to age and partly
to coaching.  

>We definately moved the ball with the pass (ok so we were practically forced 
>into this position) but never the less, I didnt see meggett until later in 
>the game.  The running game (and lack of the old style defense to help it) 
>will move us into a throwing game.
>
What's needed is more intelligent play callig.  On (I hink) every fist down
in the first half, the Giants ran the same exact play: Hampton over the middle,
and never got more than two yards out of it.  Far too predictable.  And
the other gripe: Giants ball, 3rd and 3, Simms goes to Howard Crowss for 1 yard.
Whay the hell is Cross running a 1 YARD PATTERN?!?  He's done that before,
and either somebody (Simms, or the receivers coach) better tell him to
go for the first down marker, or he better be replaced.


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From: wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/8/92
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:50:58 GMT

hmmm...as to that pushing off call...it happens all the time...DB's
pull at jerseys all the time and get away with it!  And if you want to
talk about Referees not making the calls ...look at the Redskins only
TD!!  Off of an interception?   NOT!!!  but the refs missed that
one...
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Current standings, week #2
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:35:55 GMT

meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes) writes:

>NFC_CENTRAL:
>Name                  W  L  T   Pct  Pf  Pa Home   Away   AFC    NFC    Div
>Tampa Bay Buccaneers  2  0  0 1.000  54  10 2-0    0-0    0-0    2-0    1-0    

Don't mind if I gloat a while longer, do you?  Bring on the Vikings!
Ahh....to hell with the Vikings....bring on the Bears!

=-)



A Bucs fan in Bears country....
davE
owner/GM, Peoria Gyrators
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From: fttab@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Seattle the worst team in the NFL?yes
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.170811.6617@cis.uab.edu>, beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.013241.29072@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>I read this in a Dayton, OH paper this morning.  "Is Seattle the worst
>>team in the NFL, or what?"
>>
>>Awfully cocky considering Cincinnati's 3-13 record last season...  I 
>>guess they're just feeling their oats after Seattle ran roughshod over
>>them two years ago on MNF and then beat them again last year in Cincy.
>>
>>How 'bout those Huskies?
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
>>jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
> 
> Seattle the worst?
> 
> A quick vote for Cleveland who got decimated by a team that was WORSE 
> last year then the 3-13 cincy put up. Sacked 11 times by Indy?
> Cleveland has to be MUCH worse then seattle....
> 
> -- 
> Luke
> 		The most romantic thing anyone ever said to me in bed was
> 		"Are you sure you are not a cop?"
> I only drink for medicinal purposes: unfortuantly I have been sick for 5 years.
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From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE ()
Subject: STATUS: Eddie Brown - Bengal
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:37:04 GMT

     Can someone tell me what Eddie's situation is. IR/Benched/Vaporized/
  Only a dream/Etc....

Kevin Cyrus
Hewlett Packard
Vancouver Wash.
Home of the DeskJet 500C
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:08:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 47464@shamash.cdc.com, jblixt@neon.cdc.com (jon blixt) writes:
> No, I don't beleive John Madden sucks as an announcer.  IMO, he
> is one of the best color men in all of sports.

I respect your opinion, in fact, I used to share it.  The thing that
*really* gets me about Madden is his overuse of the "coaches clicker".
Ya know, that special effects thing-a-ma-bob that makes the play go in
slow-mo, forward and reverse.  I don't mind it so much when he uses it
on an important play, but on the blimp?  Time for a vacation John (Madden).

> 
> Pointing out good tailgaters is funny.  That is PART of what
> a color commentator is.  Not only does John Madden know football(
> see Raiders team of the 80's), he sees it in a perspective few have
> ever done which is why he is interesting.

If I remember correctly, Madden stopped coaching before the 1980's
(I believe he coached from 1970-79 but I could be in error).

> 
> I don't know the what the situation was when Madden said the team
> didn't want an interception, but there are cases where this is true.
> For instance, late in a game, the team trailing by four points 
> elects to gamble on fourth down.  If the ball is thrown deep and 
> the defense intercepts, the leading team could be trapped against its
> own endzone instead of having the ball via downs around the fifty.

This is the kind of useless dribble that *all* color men are guilty of.
If you happen to like the guy doing it, it's alot easier to put up with
though....

> 
> My $.02.
> 
> -Jon


Bob De Guc
Bills fan in *ANY* country.



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From: george@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tazmanian Devil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TO ERNST SANDJORD
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:24:24 GMT
Organization: Tazmanian Devil Appreciation Society

Ernst, George here.

You can get a e-mail account....here is how.
Can you use telnet first of all?  If so...

telnet nyx.cs.du.edu
login  guest

(it will then ask you a series of questions and stuff)  Make sure you select
  get a new account (or the equivalent)

Once you get everything, do the following...

at the main menu...

select "c" (Communication's Menu)
select "m" (Read/send mail)
select "s" (send mail to another user)
user: george@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Subject:  (whatever)

Then type message, when done, press . on a line by itself, it then should send
it to me.

Well, good luck.

George
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers.. new QB
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:07:02 GMT
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



The SD Chargers named Stan Humphries the starting QB for the game
next Sunday at Denver. Gaglinao was quite unhappy [and I agree with
him] about the decision. The guy fair and square won the job in
camp/preseason. The loss in the first game was not just his fault.
The line, WRs, and RBs didn't perform. Yes, Humphries lead the only
TD drive, but by that time KC had a 14 pt lead, and they were 
playing deep zones to prevent any big plays. 
It was as if the coaches were looking for an excuse to remove him
as the starter. 


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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Is unsportsmanlike conduct okay? (was Re: taunting for 15)
Keywords: NOT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:07:37 GMT

In <1992Sep13.043809.8147@sco.com> timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle) writes:
>The problem, as I see it, is the subjective nature of the call.  If it is
>consistant, then it's not such a big deal.  But the arbitrary nature makes
>it a problem.  Did Tim Harris get a warning when he first pulled out his

You have to remember that there are seven officials on the field.
They all might have a different tolerance to taunting, so what
was allmost OK to one of them might have been too much for the
other and the other threw a flag.

In every contact sport you will have subjective rules.  It is impossible
to get by without any.  Just think of roughing the passer, pushed out
of bounds etc.
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BILL PARCELLS and the GIANTS
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:19:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

I really doubt that Parcells would want to take over a team that's in
such a disarray as the current GIANTS.  In fact, I've always believed that
he retired because he knew that the GIANTS were getting old (with little
help from newer draft picks) so he wanted to end with a great season and
call it quits.  I feel that he had similar reasons for refusing the Tampa
Bay head coach job. (Recall that when he took over the team, they'd started
to develop as a defensive power and even made the playoffs in 1981).

I think it would be really hilarious (as in "oh no!" not "ha ha") if the
GIANTS got Buddy Ryan as their next head coach!  Seriously though, I think
the new owner is too much of a cheapskate in order to shell out the $ for
a good coach (then again, wasn't Buddy Ryan getting paid peanuts by the
cheapskate owner of the Eagles despite 3 winning season??).  Ray must go.

satish nair
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: New Cowboys
Keywords: Haley
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:20:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In article <1aoeoq8@Unify.Com> tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman) writes:

>>trails Terry Allen (vikings) in the race for rushing title.  Cleveland stole
>>OG Myslinksi off the 'Boys practice squad.  Myslinski was the last of four
>
>How does someone get stolen off the practice squad, doesn't dallas have to
>put him thru waivers first?
>--
The players on the practice squad must be placed on waivers and any
team that wants them can take them before they are placed on the
squad.  From that point on, any team that wants a player on the squad
can claim him off the squad as long as the player is placed on that
team's ACTIVE roster... he cannot be placed immediately on the
practice squad.  Therefore, in the case of Myslinski, the Cowboys put
him on waivers after the cut, and he cleared.  He was placed onthe
practice squad and has subsequently been claimed by Cleveland.  They
must now have him on their roster somewhere...

*ice*
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