From: donsterw@athena.mit.edu (Donsterw)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:57:35 GMT

>About how long do your oobe's last?  (1min, 10min, 30min, or longer)  
>


about 2-5 minutes.


>When you begin the oobe, do you start in the room?  
>				or start in a void?  or where?



i've always started in my bed
 
>
>If your oobe's are in the your room,
>	about how far do you travel away from your physical body? (in meters)
>

lot's of times, i dont actually leave my physical body, but part of me does, say
an arm or a leg or something like that.  i can only recall once when i actually
left my body entirely.

>	do you ever see your physical body?

i've seen a part of it, say the arm that's "out".  it was kinda shadowy and i
could see through it.  it was like there and not there at the same time.  it was
kinda like looking at lines of heat coming out of a heater.  the air is kinda
disrupted, but there really isnt anything there at all.  

>
>Do you every see someone else during the oobe?  who?
i saw someone else once.  i had just gotten out of my body and had left my bed. 
then this person sho looked like a priest or something (he had that white collar
thing) came over.  he sorta pushed me back down into my bed, whith his hands
around my neck, then he dropped dead and fell on me.  i remember being able to
feel his weight. it was really freaky, almost like a nightmare, but i could see
everything in the room and it seemed totally real.  i woke up with a start.  the
room was exactly as i had just seen it.  i really dont think i had been dreaming
at all.  it just seemed totally real.  but it was really scary too.

another time, i remember feeling the tingling, sorta becoming conscious, and just
looking at my arm that was out, and then stretching it up through the top bunk of
the bed and touching the ceiling (about 7 feet above me) and feeling the texture.
 the next morning, when i actually got up, i climbed up and actually felt the
celing (something i had never done before) and feeling the exact same texture
that i had felt before.  

i almost never have a problem achieving the separation after i get the tingling
sensation.  my problem has always been getting to the point that i get the
tingling sensation without totally falling asleep.  does anyone have any hints as
to how i can easily achieve the sensation?  right now, for me, if it happens, it
happens and if it doesnt it doesnt.  

i believe that a lot of different cultures in the world alk about the same thing
in different words.  almost every culture has something like an oobe experience,
usually tied into religion.  there's the tibetan clear light thing, there's the
egyptian ka, there's the hindu gurus, there's the american indians and whatever
they do and i'm sure there are many more too.  i truly believe that they are all
talking about the same thing.  i guess the concept of a spirit is the most
tangible thing i can think of that sorta explaines this.  i personally like the
egyptian concept of the ka and the ba, one being just the double of your body
that lives with and moves with your physical body, and the other being the actual
spirit, or consciuosness.  my first obe was a very powerful experience (after i
undestood what i was going through) and it made a lot of things make sense to me.
 even those freddy krueger movies didnt seem so fake anymore.  even all those D&D
type games started making some sense, and religions made sense to me (I used to
think most religions were just hokey bullshit).  anyways, that was just my $0.02
about this.

donsterw@athena.mit.edu
Don Wong

hey jeff, if you're reading this...
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