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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: CRUNCH TIME - FISH PULL IF OFF!
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:04:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.041911.26052@PacBell.COM> JOHN,
jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>3rd and 7....Nagle HOs to Brown, stopped in the
>backfield for a LOSS. Migthy stupid play calling IMHO.
>Just gives the FISH another opportunity to win the game.

	I have to disagree, I was yelling at them not to pass, just get the :25
off the clock and give it up.  The reasons the play ended up being so bad
was the 28 or so yard punt and the sieve-like defense of the Jets.  Think
about the situation.  You can leave the 'Fins with 1:15, no time-outs on
about their own 40.  The lack of time-outs is the clincher for me.  The
problem was the Jets secondary letting the 'Fins receivers run sideline
patterns for 15 or 20 yards a pop. Also you have to count on your punter
to come up with at least a 40 yarder when you need it, no excuse for that
thing he called a punt

	I've only seen three or four Jets games this year and from what I've
seen of Nagle I'd say don't let him touch the ball in this situation. 
Now there are plenty of Nagle lovers out there and that's fine, but the
fact is, he's had a horrible year, talent or not.

WOW that's alot of analysis for onee play, huh?

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
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From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:48:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology

The Niners, in the last decade, are better than ANYBODY.  First team in
NFL history with 10 or more wins per season for 10 consecutive years.  Four
Superbowl wins.  Best QB of the decade.  Best WR of the decade.  Best road
game winning percentage of the decade.

Gary and Ed can carry on with their discourse on the conferences...I don't
care because the Niners have been the best team period in recent memory.  The 
other 27 teams were mere fodder :-)

One could go on with this, but I won't.  Hopefully the Niners will.

Happy New Year one and all, and best wishes to ALL the teams that made the 
playoffs.

George Lambert
GO NINERS!!!   PEAT!!!!
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: a billboard in houston
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:50:32 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <30DEC199210230964@rosie.uh.edu> libr@rosie.uh.edu (Harvey Brauner) writes:
 >In article <1hsea5INNegv@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes...
 >>In article <C01zqr.CE@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
 >> >Only Houston fans would count injuries 9sad,, very sad)
 >
 >You talking to me?!  I don't think so.
 >
 >>The "Sign" is on a famous Mexican food eatery Papasito's it reads:
 >> 
 >>HOUSTON 27
 >>BUFFALO  3
 >>INJURIES 8
 >> 
 >>stuff deleted
 >
 >
 >Yeah, I saw the sign too...But I got a chuckle out of it.  My interpretation
 >was that they were counting TOTAL injuries on both sides.  Seeing how this
 >restaurant always puts up some weird and goofy saying every week I wouldn't
 >put to much into it.
  
stuff deleted

Im not putting alot into it....but they will in Buffalo, my point is
that it's VERY STUPID to give the other team something to hang on the 
door in the lockeroom. Papasitos will feel great if the Bills injure 
some oilers players (NOT SAYING THE BILLS PLAY DIRTY) but they will
have a good reason to want to inflict some CLEAN but very hard hits.

I Wouldn't know about the fajitas, I won't eat there, but thats
another story.....:-)

tim

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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Re: Viking vs Packer History Comparison
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:31:15 GMT

In article <19921222.115047.540@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Chad Bergerson@mayo.edu wrote (approximate quotation)
>>Vikes                                 Pack
>>1992: 11-5 Clinched on the road, a    1992: 9-7 Not Good Enough
>       tough AFC team
>
>NOT!! First of all, the Vikes will EASILY be 10-6 only winning the division
>due to a mere technicality in the tie breaker system. The Packers will also
>be 10-6 and will be a much better team than the Vikes. I can only hope that
>the Packers take the third wildcard and can therefor trounce the Vikings two
>weekends in the row. Its just tooooo good to be true.

Do you have hallucinations often????


>And as for clinching against a tough team, the Vikings stumbled into that
>victory. What a lifeless boring game. Its a crying shame that Pittsburgh
>couldn't have one.
>
>Furthermore, I don't care if I get flamed. I'm sick of all the fair weather
>Viking fans I here going on about how great their sub-par team is. The Vikes
>are just lucky that the season isn't a few weeks longer, because they would
>get ground into the dust.

Dream on wildcard wannabes!!!!!!

>
>I'll take a Vikingburger, please!

No, after Sunday you'll be eating a fudgePACKER burger.
You better make time Sunday night to put all your packer stuff
away for next year...

-----------------------------------------
J.R. Ordon
GO VIKES!!!  '92 NFC CENTRAL CHAMPS
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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: salsibury
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:36:47 GMT




In article <1992Dec30.194434.13187@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
->Subject: salsibury
->Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
->
->i have become rational after reviewing steak mans performance.
->i always liked gannon over steak man because he won the starting job in
->training camp, but further reviews reveal otherwise. here is salsibury
->performace this year.
->

Didn't Gannon hold out for most of this years training camp?????

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:16:29 GMT

In article <C01CDG.Hvt@acsu.buffalo.edu> carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>>In article <C00M24.8vz@acsu.buffalo.edu> carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:
>>Say Mike, do you want the truth? Anyone is bothered by a loss.
>>Would it had bothered you if the Bills were to have loss the
>>game? 
>
>Yes, probably for a few hours, maybe even a day or two. But your animosity
>lingers after 14 WEEKS! I find that very strange.
>
What I find strange is your repeated insistence that I have carried
your illusioned animosity. It seems "some" Bills fans always seem
to bring the fact the they beat the Niners. Hey, that is old, history.
That win does not mean the Bills are the best team does it? You win
some, you lose some. The key is to lose the fewest and win the most.
That is something the Niners know how to do (14-2). Of course, you Bills
seem to know about it, but were unable to prove this year.
>
>It was a measly second-week interconference game. So your beloved
>Niners lost. Get over it.
>
You see, for all to "see". There you are bringing the Bills win over
the Niners again. I've long forgotten it (14-2 baby), yet you guys seem
to rally over a 2nd week win that is really insignificant, isn't it?
Please, do everyone a favor and why don't you Bills fans forget it
about while you lick your wounds and warm your feet next to the fires
this winter.

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Atlanta crushes Dallas !
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:24:48 GMT

In article <douthit.724956361@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>The Falcons will crush Dallas and be featured on the cover of SI !
>
>			-Ron (come on football Gods) D.

No! No! Ron! You have to publicly praise the FBGs. This
come on fbgs, just won't don't it. :-) Okay, I will do it for
you. Please oh FOOTBALL GODS, give the shithead Falcons the
strength and LUCK to crush the Dallas Cowboys before a 
National T.V. audience on MNF. I will forever praise you
and be you humble servant!  Now, that ought to do it! :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:49:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <UfDtzKm00WDK4DB0tN@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>I just heard on the radio that Dan Reeves' contract with the Broncos
>organization will *not* be renewed. Where will he go?
>
>Chicago?

Ditka hasn't been fired yet plus Bears owners probably wouldn't want to give
him the liberties he'd want.

>New England?

Rumor hs it that Bill Parcells and some friends want to buy out the Pats and
install Parcells as head coach/GM.  If this doesn't happen, I don't expect
Coach Mac to be canned just yet.

>Atlanta?

Yup.  Good system and a lot of talent for him to work with.

>New York?

Nope not unless George Young wants to give up his V.P. position.

>Cleveland?

Give Belicheck a break.  He lost his starting QB in the 2nd game of the season
yet managed to win against a few tough opponents.

>Los Angeles Raiders?

Al Davis needs to be replaced not Art Shell.

>Phoenix?

This is where I see him going.  Either here or Seattle.
Should be an interesting couple of days.

satish nair
waiting for the shoe to drop
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Answers to Super Bowl Trivia Time!
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:35:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec23.025827.25843@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>When did Mike Ditka win a Super Bowl as a player?
>
>Paul


He caught a TD pass when the Cowboys beat the Dolphins back in 1972 (I'm
not sure of the date).  

satish nair
giants (is he gone yet?)
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Season Greetings
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:45:39 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec23.165714.16058@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>"best Christmas gift of all", what? Staying home for the playoffs
>and roasting chestnuts in the fireplace during the SB? :-) Hey,
>gotta have some SOME ALSO! :-)
>
>Merry Xmas to ALL .............John
>
>

Nah.. just seeing the face on Handley when he gets the collective boot
will be gift enough for me :-)

Playoffs?  We don't need no steeenking playoffs.

cheers,

satish nair
From: jely@netxcom.netx.com (James Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: PREDICTION R US, NY AFFILIATE
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:18:22 GMT
Organization: NetExpress Inc., Vienna, VA, USA

In article <92365.105847NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Nelson Broat) writes:
>
>My playoff predictions...
>
>Here we go...
>
>And remember...you can trust ;) these picks!
>
(stuff deleted)
>HOUse of Lame versus Buffalo Chips
>**********************************
>
>This one's easy! <== I'm saying this??? :)
>
>Those slippery and Oily devils from the House of Lame shall travel to
>Buffalo and finish the job I hired them for, and that was...to totally
>anhilate the Buffalo Chip Bills.
>
>I'm sorry but it had to be done. I just couldn't take another boring
>Super Bowl featuring the Bronco Ponies or these guys.
>
>HOUse of Lame 31 - Buffalo Chips 18  (yeah I know...its a weird score,
>                                      but that goes without saying, as this
>                                      will be a weird game)
>

You were right, it was a weird game, Houston jumps out to a 28-3 first
half lead; then on the Bills first possession of the second half, they
intercept a Reich pass and return it for a TD.  35-3 with 13:16 left
in the third quarter.  Game over man!

But what happens next?  With Thurman Thomas sitting out with his banged up
hip, Reich leads the Bills to 4 TDs in the third quarter, and one more
in the forth to lead them to a 38-35 lead.  There were a couple blown
calls by the refs, but there is no excuse for blowing a 32 point second
half lead.

Del Greco actually made a field goal to tie the score with <20 seconds
in the game, only to have the Bills win in OT 41-38.  What a game!

Being a Steelers fan and a Oiler hater, I loved the it.  Now time to
avenge the loss to the Bills earlier this season!

Go Steelers!!!

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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: Chuck Cecil in Pro Bowl???????
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:42:13 GMT


In article <1992Dec28.212154.9365@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
->Subject: Re: Chuck Cecil in Pro Bowl???????
->
->In article <1992Dec28.190325.27130@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
->>
->>1.  Cecil is not even close to being the best in the conference, let alone
->>the central division
->
->I was a little suprised to see him starting in the pro bowl, although
->I thought he had a chance to make it.  Cecil had some huge games at
->the end of the season which gave him some good press, particularly 
->the ESPN game against Houston.  Also, their are very few outstanding 
->safeties in the NFC.  Evidently the players feel Cecil is one of the
->two best safeties in the NFC.
->
->>2.  He is a cheap shot artist
->
->Cecil is a hard hitter, but he isn't any more dirty than Ronnie Lott.
->
->>3.  so, How many int's did he have this year???????
->
->He had four, certainly a respectable number.  Also, his hard hitting
->caused several dropped passes by oppenents "looking over their shoulder"
->for him.
->
->
->-Todd
->

ok, fine.  I take back what I said about Mr. Cecil.  He is probably a very
nice guy in person.  And he deserves to be in the Pro Bowl.

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1hqee0INNhb9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>,<1992Dec29.230445.29399@netcom.com>
	<1992Dec30.064806.21142@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:24:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.064806.21142@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:

   In article <1992Dec29.230445.29399@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
   >In defensive efficiency (which is the average yards allowed per play) the
   >9ers are 20th.  NO, Dallas, Minnesota, and San Diego are the top four in
   >order.

   Woof mode on.

   In fairness, let's quote a more meaningful defensive stat : "points allowed
   per game". The 49ers rank 3rd here. Add to that the fact that they are
   first in the most important stat : "points scored".

   Woof mode off.

Points allowed per game clearly is a more meaningless defensive stat.  If you
run the ball down a teams throat their offense will have less time to score.
If you generally go 3 and out the other team has more time to score.  You
might notice I've changed your defenses points-per-game without changing
either your defense or the offense they play.  So Dallas ends up #1 in yards
allowed with a great defense and a great offense (same reasoning on yards and
points per game) while NO arguably has a better defense but clearly a weaker
offense. 

Bill
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: NFC playoff picture questions
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:59:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

>OK, the Cowboys have the NFC East.  If they lose next week, and the Saints
>win, and the Saints win the wildcard game, then the Cowboys and Saints
>will play each other in the second round.  The question is, since they
>both finished with 12-4 records, who will host?

Dallas, being a division winner and 2nd in the NFC, will host the second round 
game at home, regardless of what happens this weekend.  

SF has home field advantage throughout the playoffs, but if SF looses their
first playoff game (wishful thinking), and Dallas wins their first game,
Dallas would host the NFC championship regardless of what else happens.

This is how I understand it.  But hey, I've been wrong.  I'm sure, I'VE NEVER
BEEN WRONG J.G. will correct me if I am :^)

>The other question is:  if the Saints lose next week and the Eagles win,
>then they play each other in one of the wildcard games.  Who will host
>this game, since they both finish with 11-5 records?

I don't know about this one.

				-Ron
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Detroit Lions ....Orphans of NFC-Central
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:40:50 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

When I said in my post that the lions are the orphans of the
NFC-Central, what I meant exactly was:

                 "OR-FANS".......
                 (No-Fans)
ie. no fan support, totally ignored while they are not to be
BTW, I forgot to add the Bucs in this list. I somehow feel
uneasy about Sam Wyche.  He is capable of creating a turn
around (Was he not in the SuperBowl of Jan89, when his Bengals
scared the hell out of the 9ers).

S.H
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff question
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:52:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Dec22.182906.26494@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>
rhoenes@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Richard Hoenes) writes:

> 
> Possible sinario:                                                               
>                                                                                 
> SF (bye)                                                                        
> Dallas (bye)                                                                    
> Washington at Minnesota                                                         
> Philadelphia at NO                                                              
>                                                                                 
> Let's say Minnesota and NO win, then you have                                   
>                                                                                 
> SF                                                                              
> Dallas                                                                          
> Minnesota                                                                       
> NO                                                                              
>                                                                                 
> Who plays who? Does SF play NO since NO is a wild card team even if they        
> have a better record then Minnesota? 

> [[[There used to be a rule that said          
> a division winner couldn't play a wild card from their own division             
> until the Championship game (this was with the old playoff format), is          
> that sill in effect?]]]                                                            
>
Nope...example:  last year, wildcard Atlanta played division rival and
division champ New Orleans in the first round.

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From: dpp@cray.com (Dave Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: Pack/Skins/Eagles Tiebreakers ...
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:14:43 CST

In article 32581@europa.asd.contel.com, ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:

<stuff deleted>

>>
>>Irrelevant -- Philly gets top slot and Green Bay and Washington go to a
>>two-way tiebreaker.  The outcome of the Eagles-Giants last game should not
>>affect it.
>
>That would seem to make more sense ...
>
>>Where did I go wrong?  Or is it them?
>
>Can someone out there shed some light on this?
>
>Thanks in advance ...
>
>
>Bob - now thoroughly confused ...   :-0


Here is what the St. Paul Pioneer Press has to say about the three-way
tiebreaker between the Eagles, Packers, and Redskins:

"Green Bay clinches with a victory Sunday and a Philadephia loss based on
tiebreaker advantage over Philadelphia.  In a three-way tie, the Eagles'
better division record would eliminate the Redskins, and the Packers'
victory over the Eagles would give them a seeding edge."

Don't ask me why division record enters the picture here.  I always
thought for a three-way tie among teams in different divisions, it was
head-to-head, then conference record, then common opponents.  Using
division record for a three-way tie between non-divisional teams
doesn't make sense to me.


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