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From: shanleyl@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Shuttle Smell After Sweat, Methane and ...
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Distribution: sci
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:44:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.131803.1674@cs.rochester.edu>, dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
> From: Carl Hage <hage@netcom.com>
> 
>> .... Also, it would seem that odor might be a problem
>> in such a small enclosed space.
> 
> 
> I understand that they have a system where air is recirculated through
> a large mass of soil.  This replicates one of the mechanisms of the
> natural biosphere for cleansing the atmosphere.  Microorganisms are
> significant sinks for CO, H2, and numerous other trace gases.  And,
> indeed, they claim that odors have not been a problem.
> 
> I have read, however, that the Shuttle is pretty rank at the end of a
> flight.  Is this true?


Yes.  The astronauts say " you sweat for a week+ with 5 or 6 other guy (or gals)
and not be able to take a shower, and have your food never settled in your
stomach (ergo-always producing gas) and then tell me how you think it will
smell?"

I am not an astronaut but I get the picture.

Sincerely,

Paul Sylvester Shanley
Researcher ad Infinitum et al
School of Human Sciences
Auburn University
308 Spidle Hall
Auburn University, Alabama  36849
United States of America
VOICE: 205 844 1339 office
VOICE: 205 887 7440 home
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e-mail  pshanley@humsci.auburn.edu



ad astra per Mylanta




> 
> 	Paul F. Dietz
> 	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Nasa Select contact req ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:46:05 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1k4avqINNmt9@lynx.unm.edu>, lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com (Jim Lawson) writes:
> My cable company is now under the impression that they need "permission"
> to broadcast Nasa Select.
> 
> Do they ?

No.  The government produces it and it's in the public domain.
It *is* reasonable for the cable company to ask for written assurance of this.
(From a source more authoritative than Bill Higgins, I mean.)

> Who can I contact at Nasa Select to straighten this out ?

This question has come up before-- should be in the FAQ-- but I don't
have the answer handy.  Call the Public Affairs Office at NASA
Headquarters and try to find out.  (202)453-8400.  If you get the
answer, post it!

Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey              | Comet Swift-Tuttle is
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From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu ("Phil G. Fraering")
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Znamya
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:36:40 GMT
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\I hope everybody here recognized the obsurdity of thinking that a 20
/meter mirror could "extend the daylight hours of the Siberian regions."
\'The Guardian' clearly doesn't.  (Typical newspaper science writing.)
/The most the mirror would do is make a bright spot in the sky.

Or test the deployment mechanism for a larger mirror more useful
for illumination.

\But, as my .sig notes, journalists don't have a monopoly on stupidity.
/-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
\      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368

Later... maybe even next semester... this account's probably going away...
-- 
Phil Fraering         |"...Who in the valley shed the poison tear
318/365-5418          |no one knows...
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|An old legend of a mythical hero..."
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From: wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey)
Subject: lunar base/life-support on freedom
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:17:25 GMT


	o.k., I'm not an aerospace engineer, just a biology major, but I was
wondering what the outlook is, in the near future, for establishing a lunar base.
 It seems logical to me that before we start planning a manned mission to Mars,
we ought to start planning a permanent base on the moon.  Is NASA devoting any
time or resources toward this direction?  

	also, does anybody know how the life-support/environment control systems
will operate on the space station Freedom (or how they operate on mir)?  I
suppose that these technologies will come in handy when we establish a base on
the moon.  How is oxygen replenished, what's the waste managment program,
and how will they replenish the water supply.  Will Freedom be self-sufficient 
(as its name might imply...)?  

	thanks for your answers in advance...

				-Aaron Woolsey

				 wools@athena.mit.edu
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Precursors to Fred (was Re: Sabatier Reactors.)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:26:12 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1k6ndgINNl2j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes:

>So how do you suggest NASA tests hardware and flight procedures before Freedom
>goes up? 

Well, if I was in a position to offer suggestions to NASA
(if NASA was willing to listen), I'd suggest that they *stop*
testing hardware and flight procedures for space station
Freedom.  Forget about building the ultimate whizzy-gadget
loaded station.  Just take what we already have and know
(which is quite a lot) and *build* the damn thing already.
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: DC-1 and the $23M NASA Toilet
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:46:21 GMT
Organization: UDSI
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>bern@Uni-Trier.DE (Jochen Bern) writes:
>
>>The REALLY funny Thing about it is that the 2001
>>Starship had artificial Gravity in at least a Part of the Ship; Every
>>Idiot would have chosen to put into that Area.
>



Of course, you have to consider one thing.  There will be times when the
spinner section has to started or stopped due to maintenance.
wouldn't taht suck if you had to go during a maintenance cycle?



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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)
Subject: Re: *** BUSSARD RAMSCOOP ***
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:10:19 GMT

lwahl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Lynne K Wahl) writes:

>Hmmm... This sounds like an interstellar probe is needed to collect 
>information before a *really* fast spacecraft is launched.  How about
>a .01c speed probe with a small "sail" that would be primarily used to 
>collect interstellar H (for testing) and with magnetic sensors to check
>on the magnetic medium as it goes.  How far from the sun would this
>"Pathfinder" type of probe need to go before getting outside the sun's
>environment?  

>As an exercise, how fast would, say a refueled shuttle ET, one SSME,
>and a 30 ton probe go if launched in a "generic" solar escape orbit? 

Really slowly.

JPL (I think - Ron?) prposed the TAU (Thousand AU) mission a number of years 
ago.  It would have used a nuclear reactor and an ion drive to boost out of
the solar system in about fifty years and check out interstellar space. 
Unfortunately, since it required new power, engines and communications gear it
never got very far.

-- 
Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Q:  How do you tell a novice from an expert.
A:  A novice hesitates before doing something stupid.
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: 2001/2010 Rocket Engines - What are they?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:04:38 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1993Jan21.120247.11867@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> Any idea what kind of engines the "Discovery" and "Alexei Leonov" of "2010 -
> Odyssey Two" were using? 

Yup.  For the *Discovery* they are gaseous-core fission engines-- in
other words, a fission reactor running at a *really* high temperature,
20,000 degrees F (11,000 C).  (If I were a journalist, I probably
would have written 11093.33 degrees C...)  Liquid hydrogen flows past
this to serve as exhaust fluid and to help keep the graphite walls
cooled. Consult a book on advanced space propulsion for details.

Source: Frederick I. Ordway, III, "*2001: A Space Odyssey* in
Retrospect," p. 47-105 in the book *Science Fiction and Space Futures*
by Eugene M. Emme (AAS History Series, Volume 5), Univelt.  Fred was a
technical advisor on the film and this article is a great source of
behind-the-scenes information and pictures (fifty pages' worth!). 

I don't know of anyplace where the propulsion of the *Leonov* is
discussed, but it's reasonable to suppose they use gas-core engines
too.

I always thought this technology was a trifle advanced to be ready in
only 2001, but remember that Kubrick's people were busy little beavers
in the 34 years following 1967-- they had dug out underground hangars
on the Moon for their spacecraft, with elevators, had started regular
Pan Am service to orbit, had built half a space station (but Clarke
pointed out in the Fifties in *Islands in the Sky* that you would
finish building the wheel FIRST, and THEN spin it up!), and by 12
January 1992 had achieved artificial intelligence.

It is sad to think that *they* were supposed to be *us*. :-(

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From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk)
Subject: Russians plan 540 day Mir mission
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:06:25 GMT

Flight International quoted official Russian sources confirming 
rumors that the crew to be launched to Mir in late 1993 will probably
include a doctor with the objective of staying on the station for 540
days. The mission would last through the visiting French flight
scheduled for mid-1994, and they would be joined by the NASA astronaut
in early '95 to round out the last 100 or so days. They hope to be
returned by the US Shuttle in 1995 after the planned docking with Mir 
and delivery of the replacement Mir crew. This plan presumably takes 
advantage of NASA's post flight medical analysis skills for what would
be the longest manned spaceflight ever.

Flight International also reports that the 540 day mission was 
planned earlier to succeed the year long mission in 1988, but 
was delayed by the policy change to fly 5-6 month missions
to increase productivity of the crew. Exactly what caused the 
latest change in policy is unclear, but I suspect it is intended
to entice NASA into long term missions using Mir or Mir 2 studying
life sciences.

Also, remember to watch the news for the Soyuz TM-16 launch this
Sunday (Jan 24.). CNN usually allocates 10 or 15 seconds of their 
precious time for a tapeed Soyuz launch. Current plans are for the 
Soyuz TM 16 crew to be replaced by the Soyuz TM-17 joint French 
Mission scheduled to be launched July 1.

There are still a number of other nations interested in visiting
flights to Mir so the Russians immediate problem may be to much demand
to satisfy within the constraints of their current infrastructure.
The Soyuz TM-18 in late 1993 will also probably be a joint German
flight. Assuming the routine 6 month visiting crew interval is
unchanged this leaves late 1993, mid 1994, and late 1994 Soyuz
missions undefined before the joint NASA flights begin.

Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com)
Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector
Schaumburg, IL
Xref: sparky sci.space:19726 sci.astro:14353 comp.lang.c:20129
From: chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown )
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Planetary Ephemeris Routines?
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:47:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
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Try Astronomical Algorhythms - Jan Meeus

Chris
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Nasa Press Kit+
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:46:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1993Jan27.184615.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1993Jan27.124351.27281@bernina.ethz.ch>, colbach@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Philippe Colbach) writes:
> How do I order Nasa's press kits?  Philippe



send info to me to.. Im interested to..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad2.alaska.edu

PO Box 1666
Nome, AK 99762-1666
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From: rpcamp@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Patrick Campbell)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Promises (space) in Charlotte Observer
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 05:52:39 GMT

>
>Jerry Pournelle, hum.. Does anyone have access to a ear at the Planetary
>Society? Pass these ideas on to them...
>Does Jerry Pournell have anet address (drop box is better)??
>

jerryp@bix.com will work...I'm sure that he has others as well.

...Rob Campbell
   Stanford University
From: EVLHN@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Harold Neal)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: JIAFS
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:15:19 GMT
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Does anyone have any experience with the graduate program of the Joint
Institute for Advancement of Flight Sciences at Nasa/Langley, run by George
Washington University?
I'd hope to here about from someone who has been part of it.


------- -------
Harold Neal
evlhn@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Engineering Mechanics, Virginia Tech
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Galileo update?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:41:08 GMT
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In article <93025.205009IO20721@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Michael Petersen <IO20721@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes...
>Could someone tell me if NASA has successfully deployed the high-gain
>antenna on Galileo yet?   I heard that their most "aggressive" attempts
>would occur after the the last Earth flyby.

The recent hammerings have not opened the antenna.  The first hammering
attempt turned the ballscrew an additional full rotation, but it has
not budged since.  Despite 13,000+ hammerings at different frequencies
and at various antenna temperatures, the ribs are still stuck.   One last
attempt will be made by spinning up the spacecraft from 3 rpm to 10 rpm
in March, but this is not expected to do much.  March has been designated
as the deadline to open the antenna.  After that the focus will be
on the Ida flyby in August and a low gain antenna mission.  One other
event that may open the antenna is the Jupiter orbit insertion in December
1995.  The solid rotor motor will fire for an hour and the resulting 
vibrations may jar the antenna loose, but this is to be considered a long shot.
     ___    _____     ___
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From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Making Orbit 93 - The Delta Clipper Program
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:27:07 -0500
Organization: UDSI
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In article <1993Jan21.204731.17316@netlabs.com> lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall) writes:
>In article <19862@mindlink.bc.ca> Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) writes:
>: vehicle is rotated base down.
>
>How do they guarantee they don't get upside-down-spraycan syndrome?
>


[ Stuff Deleted about empty SPray Cans}


I imagine the problem can be solved by looking into the inventory of Aircraft appli
applications under fuel tanks.  I know for many smaller aircraft,  this problem
is avoided by having the fuel feeders be on flex hose, with a little
pendular mass.   normally, they hang about 1" off the tank bottom, but during
severe manuevers they roll with the fluid body.
now granted this may be a little tougher with cryogenics, but i am sure
some sort of engineered flex could be bobbed in there.

pat
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Precursors to Fred (was Re: Sabatier Reactors.)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:23:49 GMT
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

In article <1993Jan26.101810.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:

>> Spacelab is an experiment carrier. It will tell us nothing about
>> building large scale structures in space and cannot be considered a
>> station precursor.

>So what?  You are wrong on this one, Allen. Fred is supposed to be
>some kind of laboratory.  

It is to be a number of things. ONE of those things is a lab.

>Therefore it's important to develop a
>program of experiments and useful techniques, make mistakes, etc. Then
>when experiments are flown aboard Fred, they won't be starting from
>scratch and they will have a greater chance of success. 

I assert that if the station fails because Spacelab spent the $$ which
should have gone to proper integration testing then they will have a
lesser degree of success.

Spacelab tells us something about one of the many uses a station may
have but it doesn't tells us about building stations. It's like saying
refrigerator research is an important precursor to house design because
one of the things people do in houses is cook food. It's true that most
people want refrigerators in their houses but houses can be built
without them.

I understand your point but I think you are bluring the distinction
between an object and what it is used for.

  Allen

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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (no one of consequence)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:11:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1993Jan25.174016.3300@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

He's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!    
 
]
]  [deleted whole bunch of the usual drivel]   
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]               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
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]                                           Robert E. McElwaine
]                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Guess all of those "I know what the 'BS' stands for" quotes finally got
through to him.


And I just took him out of my global kill file last week.

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From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
Subject: Re: Next unmanned missions to Venus
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-From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
-Subject: Re: Next unmanned missions to Venus
-Date: 25 Jan 93 03:35:22 GMT

--From: rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff)
--Subject: Re: Next  unmanned missions to Venus *
--Date: 24 Jan 93 06:39:04 GMT
--Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

--Hmmm, well, I guess if we were to make any kind of serious exploration of
--Venus's  surface we would have to develop electronics componants that
--operate comforably at 900f. And metals that can protect the inards of the
--probe from terrential sulfuric acid down-poors..
--How WOULD we do that by the way? Anyone know??

-Read the October 1992 Scientific American. If they pan out, diamond film
-semiconductors should be able to operate at up to 700 C (as compared to
-than silicon semiconductors.

Change that last paragraph to read:
"Read the October 1992 Scientific American. If they pan out, diamond film
semiconductors should be able to operate at up to 700 C (as compared to ~450 C
at the surface of Venus), and should be smaller than and operate 40-100 times
as fast as silicon semiconductors."

Other measures that I've proposed in previous years:
 # Nuclear reactor (or RTG, as recently proposed by Kevin Plaxco), driving
   a heat engine, which powers a refrigerator.

 # Tethered balloon, with temperature differential between the ground and
   the balloon driving a heat engine. This has the advantage of not needing
   an imported energy source. I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but
   I *think* the temperature differential is great enough that you might
   be able to get useful power from a tether on the order of 10 km high.
   The high density of the atmosphere would be useful, if the tether is of
   fairly low density. Wind speeds are reported to be very low near the
   surface, and very high in the upper atmosphere. I don't have a velocity
   profile that could be used to calculate wind speeds 10-30 km up.

   What to fill the balloon with to make it buoyant is an interesting
   question. If the fabric is non-flammable, oxygen extracted from the CO2
   atmosphere is a possibility. (The fabric would have to be totally resistant
   to further oxidation.) If the heat flow is great enough, it might be
   used to lift a hot-CO2 balloon.

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov

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