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From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: 09/03 0745  TOTAL OF 24 PEOPLE KILLED, 67 INJURED IN SRI ...
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:50:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.112926.1725@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, siva@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.125341.11989@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>> -Message-Text-Follows-
>> 
>> In article <Bu6K7H.MEF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, nish@cv1.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes...
>>>COLOMBO (SEPT. 3) XINHUA - A total of 24 people were  killed  and
>>>   The bomb attack against a civilian target was the second  dur-
>>>ing the past week by the LTTE, which is fighting in the north and
>>>east of the island country  for  the  establishment  of  separate
>>>state of minority Tamils.
>
>RTw  09/04 0327  SRI LANKAN REBELS DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR BOMBS
>
>    COLOMBO, Sept 4, Reuter - Sri Lanka's Tamil Tiger  guerrillas
>on Friday denied responsibility for two bombings in eastern towns
>that killed 32 civilians this week.
>    "We deny any responsibility whatsover," the Tigers said in  a
>statement  from their London office, charging that the government
>was behind the attacks.
> REUTER FS NM JS
>

Doesn't this remind the fact that they denied responsibility for killing 
Amirthalingam first and later admitted that they are responsible after all 
public fury have cooled off.
 
- Arun 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:55:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA


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From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: News?
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:48:26 GMT
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Can anyone post news related to Eelam, Sri Lanka or Tamil Nadu on
a regular basis?

I cam post exerpts from LTTE newsline, Economist or Asia Weekly.



suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Subject: Re: A Ghost Poem .....
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:09:58 GMT

In article <2AAE7481.12649@news.service.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
.....
>	I do agree with them. But unfortunately similar advise do not come
>	from them when few netters indulge in offending the feelings of
>	others in other sensitive issues. For example, when it comes to the
>	issue of blaming Sri Lankan Tamils and LTTE, there were 
>	sweeping statements by many without knowing facts or pretending to
>	know. But I don't see any advice coming from these moderates at such  
>	times. Advising on selective issues may create doubts on their 
>	integrity. 


	From this comment one gets the impression that criticising a 
	totalitarian terrorist organization is somehow as insidious as
	criticising a people who are among its chief victims. One could
	be against the deportation of the SL tamils from TN, weep for the 
	violence and misery wrought on them by forces bigger than them and 
	still consider the LTTE a blot on the face of the earth! 
	Perhaps I misunderstood it but Cheran seems to be rueing the fate
	of those who are torn apart by the violence from all sides.

							- Nagarajan
	

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Tamil, Sanskrit and North Indian languages
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:40:41 GMT

In article <92257.160712RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> -From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
> -Gujarathi: chaadu ='saucer shaped vessel     Mythili : Chaar(d)yaa = 'earthern
> -                   forming the part of               griddle for baking bread
> -                   lampstand'                        or parching grain'
> -                                             Bhojpuri: --------------
> 
> As a born Gujarati speaker, I have to say that this word is unknown to me.
> It does not imply that the word is not Gujarati, but surely not COMMON.
> Maybe  there are other words that are more common than this one?
> 
> Rohit Parikh

 Many thanks for your input. Can you please let me know from your 
 friends whether it is used by "others"? Please also bear in mind that
 although you are a born-gujarathi and it is unknown to you this word
 *can* still be a common word !! There are vast numbers of "poor" people
 who *might* be using these words. I can relate hundreds of words in Tamil
 my mother tongue where the  previledged or 'educated" "urban" sections
 might not have heard of but all the same they are popularly used by
 *vast* numbers ( far greater than the "urban" "elite" sections).

 I picked up this word from Sir Ralph Turner's dictionary who seem to
 have picked up at least some words used by *masses* ( peasant).

 May I ask : are you familiar with the peasat community words ?

 Thanks again for your input.

Selva Selvakumar.
From: siva@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: 09/03 0745  TOTAL OF 24 PEOPLE KILLED, 67 INJURED IN SRI ...
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:45:45 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Sep10.212046.26960@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.112926.1725@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, siva@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>
>>RTw  09/04 0327  SRI LANKAN REBELS DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR BOMBS
>>
>>    COLOMBO, Sept 4, Reuter - Sri Lanka's Tamil Tiger  guerrillas
>>on Friday denied responsibility for two bombings in eastern towns
>>that killed 32 civilians this week.
>>    "We deny any responsibility whatsover," the Tigers said in  a
>>statement  from their London office, charging that the government
>>was behind the attacks.
> 
> [stuff deleted..]
> 
>> REUTER FS NM JS
>>
> 
> Gee! I thought LTTE was a "responsible" organization.
> 
> They were responsible for killing Siree Sabarathnam;
> 
> They were responsinle for killing Padmanabha;
> 
> They were responsible for killing Amirthalingham;
> 
> They were responsible for killing Rajiv Gandhi;
> 
> ..........
> 
> and they are denying responsibility for this... I am disappointed.
>  
> - Arun

  Gee, I must have been out of this world.  The above
  responsible writer has information that LTTE accepted respon-
  siblity for all these.
  Siva 
   

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: Re: parallels - TN reservation and Sri Lankan Situation
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:21:13 GMT

Hey !  THis is a fuckin' fun group !!  Reservations suck - so does
discrimination of any linguistic/religious group !

-Bapcha-
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2114 soc.culture.indian:30880
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: vaal and vaaL
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:48:50 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <kat.716142327@reg> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:


>   "siRuveL aravin avvarik kuruLai
>    kaana yaanai aNangki aangku
>    iLayaL, muLai-vaaL-eyiRRaL,
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>    vaLaiyudaik kaiyaL, yem aNangki yOLE!"

>   muLai-sprout
>   vaaL-used to denote the brightness or the shine in this context,
>   eyiRu-pal=teeth

  The underlined word is one single word split into 3.

   vaaL qualifies the sprout like teeth by conveying the
  meaning sprout-sparkling or shining teeth.

 vaLLuvan describes the teeth in a slightly different fashion.

Look at this:

"paalodu thEnkalanth thaRRE paNimozhi
 vaal-yeyiR ooRiya nNeer."


 Here vaal-yeyiR means white teeth. vaal=white.

   
Kathiravan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ketha@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR)
Subject: A Tamil Eelam poet wins an international writing award
Organization: EE Undergraduate Unix Lab, McGill University,Montreal,Canada.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 05:15:36 GMT


RTw   09/04 0319  DETAINED TAMIL FEMINIST WINS WRITING AWARD


    COLOMBO, Sept 4, Reuter - A feminist Tamil poet, held captive
for a year by Sri Lankan rebels, has won an international writing
award for her efforts to defend freedom of expression.
    The PEN organisation said on Friday  28-year-old  Selvanithy,
known commonly as Selvi, had won its 1992 Freedom-to-Write award,
a decision that was made six months ago.
    But PEN president Edmund Keeley said  in  a  press  statement
that  the  group  had  been  advised  against naming Selvi by her
friends for fear of what the Tamil rebels might do to her.
    A year after she was detained by  the  Liberation  Tigers  of
Tamil  Eelam,  and  with no news of her whereabouts or condition,
her friends had decided that the time had come to reveal she  had
received the award, Keeley said.
    Selvi, a third-year student at the University  of  Jaffna  in
Tamil  rebel-controlled  northern  Jaffna,  was  taken hostage on
August 30, 1991.
    She is the founder of a feminist journal and in  her  writing
deplored   the   carnage  in  the  conflict  between  Tamils  and
Sinhalese. She has also produced two plays.
    PEN, a world association of poets, playwrights and novelists,
said Selvi was captured because of her unusually frank criticism,
in her writing  and  in  private  conversation,  of  the  Tigers'
methods of dealing with dissent in Jaffna.
    Newspapers and journals are subject to strict  Tiger  control
and  other  Tamils have been detained or executed for criticising
the rebels.
    Rebel sources were not available  for  comment.  The  Tigers,
fighting  for  a  homeland in the north and east for the minority
Tamil community, are entrenched in Jaffna, their main stronghold.
    Keeley urged the rebels to release Selvi and others like  her
"if you are to gain respect from the international community."
 
REUTER FS NM JS

-- 
 (Ketha) Nannithamby Ketheeswaran        |   E-Mail :  ketha@honi.ee.mcgill.ca
 McGill University, Montreal             | 
 Quebec , Canada .                       | 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: SYBASE programmer wanted
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:05:50 GMT


This is for a friend of mine :-

He needs a programmer with 1-2 yrs experience in Sun workstation with Unix, C
and SYBASE.

No fresh graduates please.

This is an immediate requirement. Will sponsor.
Pl send e-mail to me or call 404-668-1068

Thanks
RT
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: What is thaNdanidudhal ?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 11:20:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      Recently, I came across the Tamil word `thaNdanidudhal'
 in a book. Usage : `naan adhaRkaaka thaNdanittadhillai'.
 I have never heard this word or its usage in my home-city
 Madurai and I don't know where is it used commonly. I am not
 worried about its origin though. I like to know what its means.
 Do you know its meaning ?
                                                     S.Pandian
                                              sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: Birth and Death
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:11:23 GMT

In article <kat.716003730@ro> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <BuA069.8y9@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:
>
>>The concept of birth and death is intimately related to the words
>>used in ancient languages.
>>In Tamil,   Death = (iRa)ppu
>>            Birth = (piRa)ppu.
>>These words imply re-birth, and the cycle of birth and deaths.
>>The fact that the word for 'birth' is derived from that of 'death'
>>and not vice versa is itself note worthy.
>
>>The word birth could itself have been originated from 'piRa ppu'.
>
>>K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
>
>  sri !
>our vaLLuvar did not say that is much difference between birth and death.
>
>"uRanguvathu pOlum saakkadu uRangi
> vizhippathu pOlum piRappu"
>
>Death is like sleep; birth is like awaking from it.
>
>Kathiravan

    I saw a posting by K.Srinivasan in S.R.E. correcting my posting
 giving an explanation of the above `kuRaL' that ThirukkuRaL has not
 yet been established as a Jain work as I claimed. I agree with him,
 but it is my opinion that kuRaL is a Jain work and I don't remember
 what diverted the discussion that I started once inviting a debate
 on whether or not ThirukkuRaL is a Jain work.
   In my explanation posted earlier, I forgot to add a similar comment
 made by Sankara in his devotional hymn `Bhaja Govindam'. Sankara 
 says on birth-death cycle as
    ` punar api jananam
      punar api maranam
      punar api janani
      jatarE sayanam '
 
  
                                                           S.Pandian
                                                   sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
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From: sarukkai@cs.rochester.edu (Ramesh R. Sarukkai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: MATRIMONIAL ALLIANCE INVITED (LOOKING FOR BRIDEGROOM)
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:17:30 GMT
Reply-To: sarukkai@cs.rochester.edu (Ramesh R. Sarukkai)
Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept.


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email.
**************************************************

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issue welcome.

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From: bkannan@ho10.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Vedas are NOT shit ( was Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 8 Sep 1992 14:12:05 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu





  "Half the world is composed of people who have something to say
   and can't say it, and the other half who have nothing to say and 
   keep on saying it"

                                             ---------Robert Frost

   BK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: A CHALLENGE TO THE OPPONENTS OF CASTE BASED RESERVATIONS
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:49:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.133846.3380@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>
>
>Before replying to Prem's views let me express my views on reservation and how
>we can solve it.
>
>I hope that every netter will agree that all indian citizens regardless of
>their caste, have a right to get education. Sinces there are more qualified
>students than the system can accomodate, we have all kinds of fighting among
>ourselves on caste basis which everyone should be ashamed of.

You are right. Apart from the lack of educational institutions the other reason
for fighting is selfish interests on the lines of castes and the pandering of 
the politicians to such interests.

>
>To solve the problem and unite the people together, we can build more
>educational institutions like in USA. Set a minimum standard for any course.
>For example getting admission to BE 60%, so anyone regardless of the caste if
>he has more than 60% the govt should find him a suitable college.

The worst part is, many colleges are built but soon they go after money rather 
than providing good education.

>
>I do not think that this is going to work. The politicians are after vote and
>they will use the caste card to do anything.

Yes, unless we fight against them.

>
>Another point suggested by Prem is worthwhile like widening the quota for OC
>and my suggestion is to remove the caste-list from BC one by one when they
>attain 'self-sufficiency'
>
>This is also I am very skeptical. Politicians will try to add more and more
>castes to BC list to get votes. They do not have guts to remove any caste from
>BC list.

They don't need to remove any caste from the BC list. All I am saying is the 
OC field should be widened(which will automatically narrow the BC field).

>
>So what we FC people can do practically. We Indian Tamils have no tradition of
>gun-culture or in violent methods. We do not have vote power, no visible
>persons in politics to view our opinions.

It is this defeatist attitude of "What can we do ?" that has strengthened the
run of selfish, useless, narrow minded, goonda based politicians.

>
>So the best thing is study harder get into central govt institutions like IITs 
>or get out of Tamil Nadu. I would suggest people to move to USA or singapore
>where no one bothers about castes. I think you can help your
>community/suffering bright students from overseas than in TN.

Not the best of ideas. It is like running from the problem.

>
>This is a sad decision where you cut out of your culture, family and friends.
>But in long term I think this might help. Atlease your children need not bother
>about any quotas.

Who knows ?

>
>Any criticism, suggestions are welcome.
>
>Thanks for listening
>RT


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
[PS: I am very sorry for replying so late. School has opened and I was swamped
with assignments.]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Tamil, Sanskrit and North Indian Languages
Keywords: Tamil, Sanskrit and North Indian Languages, linguistic connection.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:03:38 GMT


This is another word which I beleive peasants and "poor" people use
through out India. I would be thankful if native speakers would throw
more light on other senses of the same word so as to compare with Tamil.

The North Indian words I may refer below are from the compilation by
Sir Ralph Turner: Ref

R.L.Turner, " A Comparative Dictionary of the Indo_Aryan Languages"
              Oxford University Press.,New York,  1966

R.L.Turner's entry No. 3845 

Sanskrit : khalI 'oilcake'  
Prakrit: khalI- ='refuse after pressing oil seeds, Pali: khala ='oilcake' 
                  oilcake'    

Assamese: khalihai ='oilcake,oil sediment'Kashmiri: khal, khuj~ ='oil sediment'
Begali  : khal, khail='oilcake, oil sediment'  Punjabi :khal ='oil sediment'
Oriya   : khaLi ='oilcake, oilsediment, 
                  flour paste, starch'         Sindhi  :kharu='oil sediment'
Sinhalese:i---------                           Lahnda :khal ='oil sediment' 

Marathi :khaL ='starch prepared from wheat' Hindi   : khali, khalli ='oilcake' 
Marathi( other words)r:  khali, khalli='oilcake'
       
Gujarathi: khaL ='oilcake'                   Mythili : ------------
                                             Bhojpuri: --------------
Nepali  : khali ='oil sediment'               Bihari: kharI ='oilcake'  

R.L.Turner's acknowledgement of root: Nothing.

My comments: This is certainly the tamil word "kaLi" = oilcake, flour paste
  (both eatable and medicinal preparation) and numerous other meanings including
  oil sediment ( used in oil-presses called chekku mEdu ).
  Even Madras Tamils might have heard masons using "kaLippa kala" for
  adding more cement to make it more pasty....kaLimbu is a pasty medicine
  and many grand mothers should be using ... kaLimbu also means the
  coatings on copper vessel etc. ...the meanings usages are too many to list.

  This word has very large semantic ramification in Tamil. Note the "La"
  of Marathi, Gujarathi, and Oriya - same as Tamil. Also note that Kashmiri
  Sindhi,Punjabi, Lahnda and Assamese have this word. 

anbudan (= with regards)
Selva Selvakumar                         (selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca)
From: ck@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Hypocracy.....in..
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:11:22 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:

>Hypocracy and ignorance in Tamil Nadu:

Yes amongst the people from across the waters...perhaps!

On BJP:

>They are nothing
>more than few religious zealots  with sights set on power who parade
>themselves as semi-Gods!

Boy oh Boy, what hypocracy!


>'intellectual snobs'.  These are the complacent and the arrogant sort
>who speak and and write as though they are the voice of most Tamils from
>Tamil Nadu. In the process, they wittingly or unwittingly discredit the
>Tamil culture as a whole.

Tamil Culture - are you the sole (soul) spokeperson for this !

>entirety for its positive results.  Prabakaran, already a legend among
>us,  will go down in history with other historic names of the Tamil
>kings, from both sides of Palk Straits.  

This I very much doubt. Perhaps amongst the Sri-Lankans, whose mother
tongue is Tamil he may be one....but amongst the tamilians I doubt it!

>Now, one of these overburdened 'intellectuals' has referred to us us
>'people from a different country who also speak Tami.'  What better way
>show off his total lack of knowneldge of the Tamil history! But, he's
>not the only one.  Just a straw in the hay. If many of these

Yes Sri-Lankans whose mother tongue is tamil are outsiders. they are
Sri-Lankans first and foremost. You insincere efforts to categorise
yourselves as Indians, and the vain attempts at wraping yourselves in
the clothes of Tamil Culture would not make it otherwise.

>'intellectuals' from Tamil Nadu have studied little more history and lot
>less castism,  I wouldn't be writing this.  Historically and culturally
>we are related. With some effort, 

Yes, but what has this got to do with todays reality. You are all
Sri-Lankans. This talk of bretheren etc are just hogwash. The troubles
you all are facing, today, to a certain extent are of your own making.
Though one cannot discount the fact that the Sri-Lankans whose mother
tongue is Sinhala are equally to be blamed for this sorry state of
affairs.

>anybody can suffice this.  Thanks to the short comings of the Indian
>media(notably India Today) and overdose of 'speeches' vast majority of
>TN Tamils still look at us through one-way looking glass.  We learned a
>lot of the Tamil history and literature, esp that of India. I cannot say
>the same for many in Tamil Nadu.  All these misunderstandings result
>from this great gap of knowledge. 

The gap, is apparent from your side only, dear Sir! WHat we see is an
entirely different country, seperated from us by the sea - caught up in
a bloody, and deadly, and mindless war. And please donot try to get us
in again. India will not acquiese to doing your dirty work for you.
And Sri-Lankans, whose mother tongue happens to be tamil, who have been
given safe refuge should stay away from politics in India.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil