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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:09:19 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <Apr.12.18.18.51.1992.26711@gauss.rutgers.edu> jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen) writes:

>I just got back from a convention at the Ramada Hotel in New York City.  Scott
>Lobdell, writer of the X-Men, was there, and I had a chance to talk with him
>for a few minutes about the subject of the traitor.
>He said that originally the traitor was going to be Gambit.  However, due to
>his unexpected popularity (he did mention that both Bishop and Gambit are
>supposed to get their own titles next year, by the way), this was going to be
>changed.
>Then I asked him about Mikhail, Collosus's brother.  He said no.  Flat and 
>outright no.
>Pressing the point, I brought up the Arthurian imagery, suggesting Rachel or
>Nathan.  Again, a flat no.
>Then, so I could walk proud amongst the members of the Rogue fan club, I told
>him that if it was Rogue, some people will be very upset as that would throw
>away a whole lot of character development (she was a villain, can we trust
>her?).  At this, he told me that Rogue was a possibility, that he was thinking
>about making her the traitor.  Of course, he told me that since he now knew 
>that people were actually considering her, he would have to think about it 
>again.

I've only been reading X-thingies since X-Men #1 (the second) So this is all 
IMHO, but the sooner they get rid of the Walkin' Talkin' Ahcent the better.

Shugah.
From: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Comic Code Authority
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:09:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Biochemistry&Biophysics, UC Davis

Hello,

	I was looking over my favorite comics recently (sandman, nightbreed,
etc.) and noticed something that I had known but never really thought
much about... And that is that nearly all of them didn't have the Comic
Code approval seal on them.  Now I may be wrong but wasn't this self
monitoring system created to prevent what was called "devil worship"
in the comics of the golden age and prevent the formation of a governmental
agency to do this.  But what I am wondering is why this thing still exists
I can see where it would be a good idea to keep excessive gore and
sexual situation out of the pages of comics you know children will read.
The basic question that I have about the validity of this device is its
unusual standards for instance blood cannot be the color red but black.
This makes no sense to me.  And it seems as though none of the independents
participate in this system, only DC and Marvel. I have heard from a
few writers including Claremont at a past Wondercon convention that this
system does impair their storylines with inconsistent guidelines.
In short the Comic Code seems unessential to me, since comics with adult
situations (at least in the case of DC and Marvel-actually EPIC) are already
marked with an adult situation warning.  All this code tells me is that
the story contained within these pages may have been compromised for the
sake of outdated moral guidelines.

	Sorry if I sound like I am foaming at the mouth a bit. :)

					Thanks,
					Mike Oda
					fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

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From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Subject: Re: Over used lines
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:30:14 GMT

> Anyone else got any Marvel lines that they're sick of hearing?


All right, how about Dear old pete and his oft used "You can't hit me, I 
have my Spider-Sense" True, he uses it less than he used to and he doesn't 
allways say it the same way twice but it still bugs me.

Then, of course there's
"Flame ON!"
and
"It's clobber'n time"
      ^^^^^^^^^
       (sorry 'bout the spelling"


(And I'm sure glad the Silver one got off Earth and stopped complaining about 
how he's stuck here amonst the un-understanding humans :-)

Scott.
"You're a JERK... Dent... A complete Asshole."
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 08:37:08 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
 <1992Apr9.183014.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>
 <1992Apr10.075955.28465@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
 <1992Apr14.164722.15278@athena.mit.edu>

In article <1992Apr14.164722.15278@athena.mit.edu>, bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael
Y Fan) says:
>Well, there was the "powerless" within series in ASM a little while back.
>Spidey didn't do TOO badly.
>
>                                                Mike Fan
>

Oh really?  Let's see- Spidey couldn't even swing around rooftops (no big
surprise.  I never really believed anyone could make trapeze moves like
him on a nylon polymer chord for as long as three or four hours like
he does without either being a trapeze artist and even then, or having
muscles like Ahrnold.  Even Daredevil only takes it one swing at a time.)
He nearly got his head handed to him by the Scorpion, especially after
he used his webbing and really ticked him off.  Also, it was a nice touch for
him to grab the Scorpion's tail.  Gee, let's see how really vulnerable I am
to being squished like a bug.

Now, if Peter were to actually work out like Eddie Brock, I'd say that
he'd be Superhuman class 25 material and then, if he ever lost his powers,
he'd be in the same league as Nomad or Hawkeye, who are no slouches themselves.

Doug.
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:26:10 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

uk02700@nx05.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french) writes:

>In article <1992Apr11.035053.18219@wam.umd.edu>  
>rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake) writes:
>> Is there any reason given why rogue can not control her powers?
>> Is it just a matter of mastering control or is her power just  
>> uncontrollable?

>	Her power has been uncontrollable from the first time it  
>manifested itself.  Xavier thought it could be controlled, which is why  
>she joined the School for Gifted Youngsters in the first place.  (Anybody  
>beside me remember that?  Rogue seems to have forgotten it....)  

>> Is there anyone that her powers don't work on?

This is just a theory of my own, but what the heck, I'll toss it out...

	I don't remember if Rogue has ever tried to use her power on a telepath
of any sort, and in particular, a powerful one (ie Charles or Jean or Rachel or
Betsy)... I suspect that those with such a firm grasp on their self image that
they can manipulate themselves on the "Astral Plane" may be able to hold her 
off or even take control of her, especially since Magneto separted Rogue from
the "Alien" part of Carol Danvers that made her psyche "slippery" as Charles 
once put it.

					David
From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Comic Code Authority
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:00:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr15.170013.5344
Distribution: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr15.164408.7794@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) writes:
> 
> A question regarding DC's 'Mature Readers' comics: I remember reading
> somewhere that in America these comics *could not* be sold to people  
under
> 18. I was wondering if this was part of Federal Law, State Law in  
certain
> states or simply a suggested policy of either DC or comic shops. I don't
> think there's any kind of legal restraint on who can buy then here in
> Britain, although our Customs and Excise have been rather keen to
> confiscate comics of a sexual nature and attempt to prosecute  
shop-owners
> who sell them.

I think it's only a suggestion.  I'm 18 now and I've been buying  
Hellblazer, Sandman, Shade etc. since they first started.  If anyone had  
said to me, "Hey, kid, you wanna buy that comic?  Show me some I.D."  I  
would have laughed in their face and gone to another store.

Interestingly enough, DC's mature titles subscription ad says that you  
have to be 19 or older in order to buy it.

Michael J. Winston
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: INFINITY GAUNTLET QUES.??
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:24:42 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


> In article <1992Apr13.170651.22762@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111m9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jack L Chan) writes:
>>
>>  HI, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME POSTING ON THE BOARD SO DON'T MINE ME
>>  IF I MAKE A MISTAKE!!!
>>
>>  I HAVEN'T BEEN KEEPING UP WITH COMICS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW,
>>  AND WONDERED WHAT HAS HAPPEN TO THE MARVEL WORLD.
>>
>>  HERE'S A QUESTIONS OR TWO:
>>               1) WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INFINITY G. AFTER THE 
>>                  SERIES? TO WORLOCK??
>>               2) WHAT ABOUT THE SURFER? WHAT'S GOING WITH HIM??
>>
>>                        THANKS IN ADVANCE. CONTACT AT:
>>                                      V111M9BF@UBVMSB.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
>>
>>                                            -JACK

>Hey do you have a caps lock key???!?
 ^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^

What kinda response is this? Talk about juvenile. Either answer the question
and add this as a nit-pick, or just don't respond. It's responses like this
that make flame wars, and I for one would like to think not every person that
responds has the I.Q. of a chimp on acid.

-JCD
From: genef@wet.UUCP (Gene Fornario)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STRIPS: laugh out loud
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:50:12 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
> 
> Amen. Although I tend to think that BB could have kept Bloom County going
> on a while longer, and I don't like Outland, it took a lot of professional
> integrity to drop it at that point, particularly since he probably took
> a huge hit income-wise by radically cutting back the frequency of his
> strips.
> --

Yes, it takes quite an artist (creator) to pack it in when he feels things
are going stale despite the income.  One of my gripes about comic strips is
that they are kept going for years long after they have gotten that way,
long after the original creator has left it.  Because of the limited amount
of newspaper space, that leaves little room for anything new and fresh.  I
also feel there's a cap on originality because of the idea that comics
should please everybody.  One of the reasons Phil Frank gave up his
nationally syndicated strips for a local (San Francisco) one, was that the
gags he did were supposed to be understood from Portland, Oregon to
Portland, Maine.  

I havn't given up on my daily funnies fix though, I like the satire of
Doonesbury, the imagination of Calvin and Hobbes, and even the sarcastic
remarks bandied about by the Fusco brothers.  I like the medium of the comic
book though, it seems you can have almost anything you want.

Gene--
From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com ("Bill Kaufman")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Squid T-Shirt Boffo At Thing
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:34:59 GMT
Reply-To: wkaufman@us.oracle.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.fan.suicide-squid
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Keywords: 

In article <scs.702244520@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
] Wore my SS T-Shirt to the annual gathering of the Dorsai Irregulars
] last weekend.  Got *lots* of nice compliments; told folks to hit
] their comic shops and buy back issues.

    Strange,...I wore mine to NorWesCon, an SF convention with several
comics folks--Donna Barr and Steve Gallacci among them.  The only
person to comment was a clerk at the Woolworth's.

                                           -- Bill K.

Bill Kaufman,          | "People look better under arrest,...it gives you
wkaufman@us.oracle.com |  an aggressive fashion look."  -- John Waters

From: Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy)
Sender: USENET@p0.f2.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Date: 10 Apr 92  11:41:03 CST

On Apr 06, Dani Zweig wrote to All:
 DZ>Yes, we do have an "I only read indies" contingent, and an even larger
 DZ>"I never read Marvel" contingent, but they both seem relatively small.

Did it ever occur to any of you that this is a self-fulfilling evaluation of 
the newsgroup?

1) "Since I don't read Marvel or most DC books, participating in r.a.c is a 
huge headache because I have to wade through zillions of messages to find the 
few that interest me," said the former r.a.c reader.

2) "There aren't very many people here who want a newsgroup split, and it would 
be a terrible thing anyway, because it would mean that I would have to read two 
(or even THREE) newsgroups instead of one," said the r.a.c fan(atic).

3) (repeat from step one until newsgroup is almost homogenous)


Ugh.  I don't know why I even bother.
 
  


 * Origin: NineJackNine / 608-256-5697 / Madison WI / (1:121/99.0)
From: Kevin.McGarvey@newcastle.ac.uk (Kevin.McGarvey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: STARWARS
Summary: ANY BOOKS TO DO WITH STARWARS SAGA
Keywords: BOOKS
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:37:57 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


I want to know if there any books available that are to do with the STARWARS saga.  I have only got Starwars IV,V,and VI and a couple of HANS SOLO books.

But I want more!!!!!!!!
From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Forgotten Heroes (was Re: Bob Newhart...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:53:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: aplcen.1992Apr13.225334.23921
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <11234@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.194658.29627@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston) writes:
>>ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:
>>
>>My candidates for a new Forgotten Heroes group:
>
>[List deleted]
>
>	Add Blue Devil, Katana, Halo, Huntress and Manhunter.
>-- 

Katana and Halo are due to be "unforgotten",as DC is reviving the 
Outsiders, with Mike W. Barr writing it as before. About time, IMHO, 
I really liked the original title, except for thelast few issues.

Does anyone know if Batman will be a member.

-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital, just
with an incredible number of bits.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Arthur C. Adams - E-Mail acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
From: TSF106@psuvm.psu.edu (TODD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Claremont:Wolverine's Death
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:39:53 GMT
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.

Wolverine can't possibly be permanently killed due to his healing-factor,
which secretly gets its power from money.  Right now Wolverine is really
popular and selling lots of issues.  Therefore his healing-factor is
working overtime!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 10:55:35 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-MORDRED(was Re: A new tack on the (Re: X-Men Traitor))
 <1992Apr7.105810.2382@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>
 <1992Apr8.202201.11501@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

In article <1992Apr8.202201.11501@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(SCAVENGER) says:
>If Rachel failed (and we know she couldn't succeed in saving the future 'cause
>of divergent timelines) her future (w/kate pryde and nimrod) was destroyed in
>a Nuclear Fireball.  Remember, Kate went back to keep the Sentinels from
>taking over America, they were about ot move into the rest of the world.  The
>rest of the world had their nukes aimed at the US to keep this from happening.
>Since time lines can't be changed(just new ones created) the time line she
>was from blew up.
>

What I was wondering is why didn't Storm and Collossus bring down the Baxter
Building instead of infiltrating and destroying the main computer?  Inside,
they would have had to fight, but outside, I'm pretty sure that Collossus'
fists and Storm's monsoons could quite easily have trashed the building
if they worked hard at it.  After all, they were supposed to destroy the
computer, which presumably was less well armored than the Sentinels, which
Kitty might have been able to muck up.

Doug.
From: mkelly@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:45:47 GMT
Reply-To: mkelly@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:

|> >How about this overused line: "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I
|> >do best isn't very nice.  I have an adamantium-laced skeleton and claws and a
|> >mutant healing factor..."  This one's used more often than the psychic knife
|> >bit.
|> 
|>     No the most overused and annoying line that I've read in all the X-books
|> (especially the Claremont issues) is:
|> 
|>             "Your funeral, bub!"
|> 

	Don't forget another Claremont favorite: "Stupid Cow!" (said in
reference to any woman). There was a time, back around the Mutant Massacre
when everyone from Calypso to Storm to Moira McTaggart to Kitty Pryde would
use this little gem.


-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:14:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Apr10.010229.18368@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams) writes:


+>First, I'd do a "Crisis", a la DC, and get rid of a lot of the deadwood.
+>Get rid of most of the crap that Shooter and DeFalco (especially 
+>the latter) were responsible for. A few things I'd do will be
+>a) Undo, by whatever means necessary the resurrection of Jean Grey.

	Yes, but Shooter is largely responsible for the original "death" of
Jean Gray.  The character should never have been killed in the first place.
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Underated Comics (was Re: Voice your opinions!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:02:32 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA

In article <1992Apr9.025126.28534@rice.edu>, jeremyl@screech (Jeremy Lyn Hart) writes:
>Well, one comic that's nowhere NEAR as serious as most, but one that
>I like nonetheless, is "Sam & Max, Freelance Police."  Great, sick
>humor.  But now Marvel's doing it - I hope it doesn't suck... (I'm not
>really prejudiced towards the M-boys, but I'm afraid it'll get ruined
>somehow in transition...)

I never understood why FISH POLICE wasn't very popular -- I thought it
was spectacularly hilarious.  "Hey, I only have 4 fingers!  *Cartoon
figures* have 4 fingers!"
-- 
     Doug Moran     | "Just because I wear this dress doesn't mean I don't put
{...}!hal.com!dougm | my panties on one leg at a time, if you know what I mean."
   dougm@hal.com    | "Not really."
From: cs88che@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher H Emmett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:24:03 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK

wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr) writes:
: I am a faithful Groo follower, but I must say, at the risk of being flamed,
: that Groo is not what it once was.  It desperately needs to be revitalized
: or retired (...FWOOSH! the flames rise...)
: I was hoping with the new format they might try something radical and
: new, but they just seem tired with the whole thing.  I like the black and
: white cartoons in the inside covers about the creative team, but I think
: the puzzles of last issue were just silly!  This is not a kiddy-comic!
: If Groo evolves towards being like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the 
: comic strip (in Newspapers), I'm getting off.
: 
: I like old and tired and reused jokes as much as the next guy, but they're
: just not trying any more...

I totally agree with you here. Groo has never been what it once was :-)
Actually, I do agree about the puzzles, they were crap.
WOMBLE
P.S. I'm also testing my .sig. Has it worked?
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:43:33 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr8.064752.13080@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>How about this overused line: "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I
>>do best isn't very nice.  I have an adamantium-laced skeleton and claws and a
>>mutant healing factor..."  This one's used more often than the psychic knife
>>bit.
>
>Describing one's own powers, however, is necessary simply to get the new
>readers to know what's going on....

Right.  But they put this in EVERY issue, just like the put Psylocke's
comments on her psychic knife in every time she uses it.  It's not
impossible for new readers to pick up on these things without having
them explained all the time, and it just bores the old readers after a
while (or, at least, it bores me.)  Marvel acts as if every issue of
every title they put out every month will be the first issue of that
series that someone picks up, and puts things like this in to keep
that one person (well, maybe more than one, but you get the idea) buying
the book.

And, IMO, the worst part about Wolverine's line is that they keep beating
us over the head with the small piece of information we do know about him,
while systematically refusing to reveal anything new about him.
From: v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Masque...dead? (was Re: X-Force and the New Mutants)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr6.211042.4810
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92097.114615JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
> 
>   Masque's gender is irrevelant.
>   Masque can change its apparent gender at any time (think about its
>  "mutant power" (tm) ).
>                        -Jonathan



Masque's power couldn't affect him (unless they did a major reworking of the
character); this was supposed to be one of the reasons he was bitter.


                                            --Ben
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Wolvie Card in first pack
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:31:38 GMT


I don't know which is more frightening:

1) That I offered to sell a Wolvie card for $100

or

2) People actually fell for it.


This reflects the price-driven comics market of today, where the 
value is *not* what goes into a product (comic, card, or whatever)
but how much you can get people to pay for it!

price != quality....

Scott

(PS: yes, the offer still stands :))

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA