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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hating one's body, was Re: Me? Clueless? Naaah :)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:47:45 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>In article <1gtt96INNbr9@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>On the other hand, if I were to wake up one day magically transformed into a
>female body, I would be in utter ecstasy.  That applies to 200 lb. female body,
>100 year old female body, you name it.  So is it my attitude that needs
>adjusting or...

If I had to choose between a healthy young body of sex A or an old frail
body of sex B, I'd pick A regardless of whether A was male or female.

>You ask good questions.  

Thanks.  So do you!

>I've asked myself the rhetorical question "Had you had
>the good fortune to be born female, would you be F->M TS?"  I can't say for
>absolute sure I wouldn't.  I'd be kidding myself if I thought simple curiosity
>wasn't PART of it.  

Nothing wrong with curiosity.  It occurs to me in passing that people
often feel like curiosity is an unworthy motive.

>But I assure you it isn't all of it.  And I ASSURE you I
>have NO illusion that the "grass is greener on the other side".  I'm not quite
>sure exactly what my motivations are, but it is very essential to my being.  I
>don't doubt I could be "cured" of transsexualism at the "mental" level (all
>head shrinking and no surgery), but not without literally killing part of me. 

>Lorraine

I believe you about how being "cured" would kill part of you.  It seems
analogous many things, e.g. nonstandard sexual preferences.  An
unfortunately large segment of society seems to think these things
should be "cured" for the good of the person, even though these things
are part of what make the person the person that they are.

I do think there is an element of "grass is greener" though.  A lot
of what crossdressers enjoy are things that are plain annoyances
to many lifelong women.  High heels and hose spring to mind.  I know
I found it fun dancing at ArmadilloCon in heels and hose, whereas
women doing the same were complaining about sore feet etc.  Perhaps
for people who are used to it, familiarity breeds contempt.

Russ
From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Hi Everyone - Happy New Year!
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:48:31 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

	Hi - Well, I guess I squeaked through another year, and another set of
		highly commercialized holidays, so here's to a better 1993 for
		everyone! I think that the best present I received is this
		newsgroup. The support and true sympathy and sensitivity that
		is openly displayed towards each others "stories" is still very
		overwhelming to me. Maybe I'm seeing a little more because of
		private posts to my anon login. If you have something to say
		and you post it, you will get supportive messages back, as well
		as some helpful tips and information. Face it, we're all in our
		own private world through this net where it's safe and secure.

		So... Are there any girls who are spending the New Year's Eve
		en-dress? I wish I was... What kind of things are you going to
		wear? I'll be wearing a tux as my male alter-ego takes over for
		the evening, but I'll be wishing that I was wearing a lacy bra,
		garter belt & super sheers, and 4" spikes with it! Won't it be
		a great world when these ideas become so common that no one
		attacks them? *sigh*

		Well, have a Happy New Year, and hope to see a lot more of you
		next year!

					Love You All
						- Shannon
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From: an1167@anon.penet.fi (Rita)
Subject: Meaning of names and more
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:59:04 GMT

Sisters,

Many of us have chosen to post under feminine names, either because that is
now our real name or because of the comfort/anonymity factor.  Ever wonder
about the name you chose for yourself?  Most people don't get to pick their
own name - why did you pick the one you did?  I picked mine simply because I
liked the sound of it, but last night I did some looking into some books about
names.  The standard books just tell you what the name means (Rita - Greek -
"The Pearl"), but there's also a book called "Beyond Jennifer and Jason" that
talks about names for children that categorizes names in many different ways.
For instance, Rita was categorized as being in "Fashion Limbo" (neither in nor
out at the moment), as a "sexy"(!) name, and as a "feminine" name.

If any of you are curious about how your name is categorized or what it means,
and you don't have access to books about it, drop me a line and I'll look it
up for you.

Happy Holidays!

Rita
(an1167@anon.penet.fi)
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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: SF cons as CD-safe zone??
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:33:15 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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In article <1992Dec20.232102.3273@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>SF conventions??  I'm not hip to the SF scene.  Please clue me in on this.

Science Fiction cons, to use a stereotype, basically attract weird people
who are more tolerant of weirdness than "average" society is.  Depending
on the con there are usually folks dressed in costumes: SCA (Society
for Creative Anachronism) people hang out in medieval or renaissance
type garb, Star Trek fans might wear Trek uniforms, and so on.  At some
cons there are apparently folks from a.s.b. in wild SM regalia (alas,
I've not been to many of these :-).  And there's occasional crossdressers.
So this year I went to ArmadilloCon (in Austin) in drag for the Saturday
night dance.  'Twas my first public crossdressing, and it went well and fun.
Even fooled a few people.  (I'm tall and curveless, so most folks recognized
me as a guy in drag, although some friends did not recognize me at least!)
I know of other folks who used an SF con as their first public crossdressing
adventure as well.

(If you were curious about SF cons in general: there are panel discussions
on various topics with authors, there are often role-playing games, a video
room, a book dealers room, autograph sessions, authors reading works,
art show, etc etc)

Russ

>Lorraine
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an3848@anon.penet.fi (erica)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: men's satin(?) brief briefs
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:59:18 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered

K-mart sells some underwear of the brief brief variety (more material
than "bikini" briefs, but less than Fruit of the Looms, and no fly)
that are made from something like satin.  It is shimmery and smooth
and soft.  I actually like the cotton type better, but the other kind
can be fun too.

I think there is more than one brand of this, but the only one I can
remember is "Brut", like the cologne.

E
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From: cn327@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Todd Rozwood)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Hey
Date: 25 Dec 1992 17:21:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hmm i cant seem to send the help.anoin.penet.fi a message to get a user id 
it reutrns my mail to me. Also im looking on having the Cd forum sent to my box on freentet. Any help on therse matters would be appreciated
Hugs
Merry mXmas
Dar
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson)
Subject: Re: Me? Clueless? Naaah :)
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:04:58 GMT

Reykja Sigurdsson (reykja@col.hp.com) wrote:

: I think it would be hard to *be* more butchy than G! :) 

It does take a special effort, doesn't it? :-) (Smart ass!)

: Are you the same Gisle who used to live in Temple City? 

The very same.

: > type. More "fuck with me and you're dead" type look. (grin) ah. I come
: > from Los Angeles. It is self-defense. :-)
: > 
: Yep. You must be the same one! The description fits. 
: Okay. E-mail me, G! 

At HP? You're kidding, right? What are you doing at HP? (If you have 
turned into yuppie slime, forget it! :-)


: Just for everyone's information, this description is right on target. :-) 
: This is a person who smiles *only* with her eyes. 

Yeah, right.



: G, if you read this, I would really like to hear from you. I think you
: probably remember me well enough --I was the other token Scandinavian 
: in TC. I have lots of wild stories to tell you about folks from the past. 
: Where on earth *are* you anyway? And when did you ever manage to scratch
: together the cash to get Internet? :-) 

I remember you well. :-) Have you managed to find that big pair of pliers
I told you about -- you know -- the ones to get that big stick out of
your ass? And you think I don't remember you! Ha! (Smile. I'm kidding.)

I'd like to hear the stories but you have me at a disadvantage. You 
didn't leave your e-mail address. We are in the same area though -- so
use directory assistance for my phone. (I work nights -- call in the
afternoon.) 

This is a shared account so it's not all that expensive -- asshole! What do
you mean 'where did (I) get the money???) I'm not *that* destitute! Sheesh!



: Say hi to Robyn for me. (Hi, Robyn!) She *is* still there, isn't she? :-)

Okay. Thanks.


: Waiting to hear from you..

On pins and needles, right? 

CAll me or contact me through my e-mail at the top. We'd better keep this
off the newsgroup or risk a flamefest.


//gisle



Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an880@anon.penet.fi (nickname - Elaine)
Subject: Cross Dressing
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:57:32 GMT

Hi ladies...happy new year!!! 
I've been enjoying everyones' early experiences so much, I thought I'd share
some of mine.  I'm in my mid forties and first became interested in ladies
lingerie when I was about 11 or 12.  I had two older sisters who used to hang
their nylons in the bathroom after washing them.  I had grown quite fond of
seeing ladies in their stockings and high heels.  I started picking up my
sisters' nylons just to feel the softness of the nylon.  Finally one day, out
of curiosity, I tried on a pair.  Since I didn't have much hair on my legs,
the feeling was incredible.  I continued trying on my sisters' stockings
through high school.  I got away from women's clothing during four years in
the marines and a couple of years in college.  Then I got the urge again and
bought a pair of pantyhose.  They weren't as nice as nylons, but they weren't
bad.  I decided to buy some nylons and a garter belt and that brought the old
feeling back.  Now I decided it might be intersting to see how a more complete
outfit might be, so I got a Pennies catalog and ordered panties, a pair of
high heels, a slip, a bra and a pair of prosthetic foam falsies.  That's when
I realized how truly wonderful it was to feel so feminine.  Now it feels
perfectly natural to dress in my frilliest, feminine best.  Sometimes I put on
a bra, panties, stockings (garter or thigh high), heels, jeans, and a t shirt
just to lounge around the house.  My only regret is that I'm not passable. I'm
very glad I'm a man and I wouldn't have it any other way.  But, some days, the
only thing that makes me feel good is to feel like a woman.
        I would like to exchange e-mail with cd'ers, tv's, ts's and especially
genetic women of any description (esp. in the CNY area).  Once again, happy
new year and I
love hearing from all you wonderful ladies.  Bye for now...Elaine
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From: dan.richard%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Dan Richard)
Subject: Re: Bra talk...
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: Macintosh Instructor
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:15:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.214724.6104@fuug.fi>, an3344@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> Shannon,
> 
> >	there's NO WAY I could pass). Am I the only girl out here that doesn't
> >	have a real set of substitutes? I guess it'd be interesting to know
> >	what the "most used" breast substitute is. 
> 
> Hmmm, I've used water balloons in the past, but the trick is to get #16 or #18 
> size (if there is a world standard) and blow them up for at least a half a day 
> (or longer) so as to stretch the latex and make it lose some of it's 
> elasticity. This way when you poor in water (or peanut oil or whatever), the 
> latex stays some what pliable. Make sure you squeeze out the excess air 
> completely and tie a knot as close to the opening as possible. (IE you want 
> the enclosed liquid to be a "fluid" as possible and the balloon merely acts
> to hold it in place). Tie a double knot if you want some nipples, too :)
> 
> I used this method for years to great effect. Note however that latex has a
> remarkable memory and the balloon will eventually return to a smaller, thus 
> less natural state.
> 
> As a holiday present to myself, I bought a pair of Airway Silicone filled 
> breast forms. All I can say is that I wish I had done it *much* sooner. 
> Expensive? Yes!  Worth it? You bet!!!
>  
> Hugs
> 
> Joanna
> 

Joanna,

Where did you get you Airway Silicone?

I got my at a discount from a pre-op TS (now post op) that no longer
needed them. As you say, they are GREAT. (I have been "read" as a
woman because of the way they "bounce".) 

I would like another pair that are smaller. My are size #7. Which is
a very full 38C or 40B.

Love and hugs,
Celeste
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Subject: Bra talk...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:14:38 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

Hi - I don't think there could possibly be a CD'r / TV who doesn't love the
	snug, somewhat constricting feel of a properly fitting bra. I agree
	that there's something special about the feel. I love all-in-one's too
	because they give that smooth feel under a slip/dress. What I have been
	a little surprised to find out, is that most of the people in this
	newsgroup have bought (relatively) exprensive "breasts" and go to pains
	to attach them. After of course learning that less is more in the area
	of breasts, both on me and on my girlfriends, I had sewn a pair of 
	"falsies" that fit perfect, and look perfect (to me at least - alas -
	there's NO WAY I could pass). Am I the only girl out here that doesn't
	have a real set of substitutes? I guess it'd be interesting to know
	what the "most used" breast substitute is. 

					- Shannon
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an827@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Grrr... UK, TS, and N.H.S.
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:39:06 GMT

Okay.... time for a simple question!

Tell me straight, is there actually any help/support available in the
U.K. on the National Health Service for transsexuals, or am I just
kicking a dead cause?

If there isn't any councilling, let alone SRS, available on the N.H.S.
then there's nothing keeping me in this country........ :-((((

... any countries want a TS two-thirds-graduate in Electronic/Computing
Engineering (B Eng Honours degree)? :-///
 
Love 'n' Hugs,
        Julie  XXXXX
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Xref: sparky alt.transgendered:471 alt.astrology:2684
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered,alt.astrology
Subject: research: astrological indicators for transsexualism,
	transvestism, and other gender identity disorders
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:37:56 GMT
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Gender Anarchists United

hi.  i'm conducting some research into astrological indicators
regarding gender self-image, gender dysphoria, transsexualism, and
transvesticism.  i'm looking for patterns, and am trying to collect
charts from a moderate number of people.  i need both TV/TS types as
well as control subjects, so transsexualism or transvestism is NOT a
requirement for participation, and neither is a belief in astrology.

if you wish to participate in this study, please send me the the
following information:

1.  date AND TIME of birth.  please specify time zone and whether or
    not DST was in effect.  don't bother mailing me if you don't know
    your time of birth within an hour or so.
2.  place of birth.  city or town of birth will suffice for US-born
    types; outside the US please give latitude and longitude (accurate
    to within 10 minutes, preferably) if at all possible.
3.  birth sex.  current sex as well if different.

the remaining questions relate to your gender self-image.

4.  how masculine do you believe yourself to be, 0 being not at all
    and 4 being very much so?
5.  how feminine do you believe yourself to be, 0 being not at all and
    4 being very much so?

6.  do you consider yourself to be transsexual?
7.  do you consider yourself to be a transvestite?

feel free to add any comments you feel are relevant.  mail me any
questions you might have.

this data will be shared with another person i know who is doing
similar research; however, all identifying information will be removed
prior to any data sharing (all this person will see is the answers to
1-7) and any comments regarding interpretation.

if you want an interpretation of your natal chart thrown in, let me
know and i'll mail it back to you.

if you wish to remain totally anonymous, might i suggest mailing your
responses to help@anon.penet.fi, with the line 

	X-Anon-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue

either in the header or as the first line of the body of the message;
this will use the double-blind anonymous service at penet.

i will post my conclusions in the same places this article is being
posted.

thanks,

kelly
--
Standardized tests measure the ability to take standardized tests.
	-- elg@usl.edu (Eric Lee Green), misc.education
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Wow! stockings! 
Distribution: world
Organization: Not much.
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:08:56 +0000


In article <1992Dec20.225643.2225@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:

>Why are the English always asking the Americans why the English language is so
>confused?

Because you did most of the confusing

:-)

Tony


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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Feeling Younger
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:10:58 GMT


I would think MOST lesbians don't call themselves "homosexuals" or
"gay", but I never quite agreed with tha----

I have one friend who uses "Gay woman"
and "Lesbian" interchangeably.  Most
of my female friends call themselves
"Lesbian" or "Dyke", tho...

-- 
I thank the Goddess for my life,
I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
     -- Z Budapest
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: aad@world.std.com (Alexandra Aarhus-Dusenberg)
Subject: Re: Names & A Guide to Shopping...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:10:27 GMT


anon.penet.fi seems to be toast lately, so I'll have to post a response.
Please post your articles and updates here.  I'm sure that many would like
From: devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (No one in particular)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: MY STORY
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:47:44 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

an3619@anon.penet.fi wrote:
[Fascinating story deleted to save bandwidth]

I just wanted to make one note here:
: The frequency grew less and less (and I grew taller and taller, sad to
: say, I'm 5-10 today and probably too big to pass well).

I'm 6' and I am often taken for female even when I'm in male drag.  There
are plenty of tall women.  (Yes, I've even gone out in fairly high heels,
and gotten no stares aside from appreciative ones.)  Your height shouldn't
discourage you.

Just so you know.

			-Deb

--
Deborah Parks (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  deb@boulder.colorado.edu   ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/