From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Rich Lee is an idiot
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:22:54 GMT
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In article <1992Sep29.152344.1261@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_williams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>From: f_williams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
>Subject: Rich Lee is an idiot   
>Date: 29 Sep 92 15:23:44 CST

>In article <Bv49L3.FtD@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, rlee@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Richard Lee) writes:K> 

>> I'm a baby worshiper.  That may be but look.  We are talking about a
>> life that will be born if we no NOTHING.  If the mother continues and
>> has no abortion the baby will be born.  When you RIP it from her womb
>> that is murder.  You are cutting it's throat for all intensive purposes. 
>> So how can you justify 9 months of inconvience for the mother with a 
>> humans life?

>Nine months of inconvience [sic]?  Let me tell you about my "nine months
>of inconvenience."  I was 25, had a challenging and enjoyable job, and
>had just received a big promotion.  The baby was a surprise, albeit a
>pleasant one (she was certainly not unwanted).  My first clue that I was
>pregnant?  Overwhelming nausea.  BTW, I was practicing birth control.
>The nausea continued and worsened over the next three months, by which 
>time I had lost 15 pounds and my job.  Not unexpected, since I was almost
>completely bedridden by the second month.  I literally crawled from my
>bed to the bathroom every morning.  The sickness continued throughout 
>the pregnancy, though fortunately it was far less debilitating after the
>fourth month.  

>So, there I was, at home and dependent on my husband's job, but still happy
>about the baby in spite of it all.  Finally I went into labor two weeks late.
>After 13 hours of labor, 4 hours of it hard labor, the baby went into fetal
>distress.  I rode on a gurney to the operating room with the head OB nurse's
>hand shoved far up the birth canal in an attempt to relieve pressure on the
>umbilical cord -- agonizing pain, but I didn't even care because I thought
>my baby, carried for nine months of physical misery, had died.  I woke up
>after more than an hour and a half of surgery to the reassurances of a kind
>nurse anesthesiologist, who began chanting "The baby is fine" as soon as
>she saw that I was regaining consciousness.  Unfortunately, the surgery was
>not yet over, so I had about ten minutes more of agony as the final sutures
>were put in.  You see, saving the baby entailed a certain "slash and burn"
>mentality on the part of the surgeon, so I was in bad shape.  Recovery
>took about four months, since I had been torn open from navel to pubic bone
>in the surgeon's haste to get the baby out.

>Was it worth it?  You bet your life it was.  I loved and wanted my daughter
>(still do, although she's now ten and *really* messy).  I count the physical
>cost to myself as a small price to pay for something I wanted so much.

>But how in the hell can this jerk Rich Lee say that pregnancy and birth
>are a mere "9 months of inconvenience"?  Do my experiences sound like a 
>trivial thing?  I lost my livelihood and my health during the pregnancy, and
>believe me, neither of those is an "inconvenience".  How dare some creep
>who will never face a pregnancy trivialize the amount of blood, sweat, and
>tears that goes into creating a new life?

>Wise up, Lee.  You've thoroughly alienated every woman in this discussion
>group.

>Leigh Williams
>Stephen F. Austin State University
>I speak only for myself.  
> 

But my question is, is the implication or suggestion here that *if* you 
hadn't wanted the baby, then you would have been justified in aborting it?  
[Is it just fortunate thing for your ten-year old that you did want it,
the suggestion being that if you hadn't, it would have been OK not to
carry her to term?]

That's what I seem to be hearing from some of the women posting here.  I hope
I'm wrong. Please advise.
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