HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Hello? Mike?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 08:11:01 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: gumby.cs.caltech.edu

seifertv@nextnet.csus.edu (vincent seifert) writes:

>Sorry to put this in the newsgroup, but I tried Emailing to
>jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu twice and nothing came back.  Finger works,
>so I'm at a loss.

>Anyhow, you said a couple of weeks ago that you had prints of the Freas
>poster for WoSaT for $25 and a SASMT.  If you have 2 left, I and another
>fellow here at CSUS would like them... um, scratch that, are hanging by
>our figurative fingernails for them... but can't seem to establish 2-way
>communication.  If this doesn't work, I'll try the phone.

>Perplexed,
>Vince Seifert   Equipment Tech III   seifertv@csus.edu

1000 Pardons, Vince, and everyone else who asked about posters.
I'm currently snowed under by email (246) (whoop - 247)

Not to mention the bills & chills of the Mundane World, now
awaiting me if I leave the comfort of my one-eyed Amiga, here.

Hope to answer everybody by this weekend.

-mjj
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:34:03 -0400 
From: Christopher Brian Cox <cc4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vanishing Wizard
	<92288.081109PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>


Me - I pretty much like the whole movie (concept, gags, sublims, FX, et al.)

> 
>If everyone had a mom like Mike's, maybe we'd all turn out so nice.

I don't have a mom like Mike's - I have a mom who is a lot like Mike
(except she does PR instead of films).  If you have a weird mom and an
accountant ('nuff said) for parents - well, life certainly won't be
(too) boring.

Chris


ps. Jenifer, quit that snickering!

Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Subject: Re: Vanishing Wizard
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:55:23 GMT

In article <MAGNUS.92Oct15212744@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no> magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad) writes:
   In article <1bk3pgINNa16@gap.caltech.edu> woolstar@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Derek Woolverton) writes:
      playing the part.  :-)  She makes great jam.  (amd mike does great labels)
   With very small print, yes?

Do they have subliminals ?
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: WOSAT question.
Keywords: email msg packratting
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:06:00 GMT

Okay...at several points in the movie, there is a guy wearing film
canisters on his head, sporting small pieces of film and waving two
moroccas.

Who is this individual, and how does he manage to have so much free time
on his hands? :)

--John Rescigno
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY
From: st923012@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: hi
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:00:15 GMT
Reply-To: st923012@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

sorry, about that last one but I am new here.  My name is Jenn, I am
Brandeis U.  There are other out there who know Mike Jittlov??!!
Me and my friends thought we were the only ones.  My friends brother
heard him speak at M.I.T. 2 years ago, and then we rented The Wizard
of Speed and Time, It was great.  Could you tell me any other
Mike Jittlov's works?? Thanks.  His stuff is incredible.  Incidentally,
we think we saw him a year ago in Lynn, MA.  Does any one know if
he was there?  I am from Tewksbury, MA.  ANyone around here wnt to
get together and watch The Wizard?  get in touch soon
st923012@pp.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:11:09 EDT
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Vanishing Wizard

Okay, since I'm the newbie, I get to ask the dumb question.  If this has
already been discussed, just let me know.

<Drum roll> What is your favorite thing in TWOSAT?  Notice I did not say
"favorite scene," so your answer may be something that appears more than
once.  For example, I _loved_ Mike's mom.  She's so completely supportive
and sweet.  When Mike tells her he sold the car and she responds, "Your
wonderful car," I couldn't help but think of the response that most dreamers
would get from most parents:  "Why don't you just get a _REAL_ job?" I also
loved the way she said the whole house was a special effect, but she didn't
say it with any bitterness or meanness.

If everyone had a mom like Mike's, maybe we'd all turn out so nice.

Paula
--
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Den som har dromt Udfaerd og Dad senker ej Sejl uden med Sorg. B. Bjornson
From: woolstar@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Derek Woolverton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Vanishing Wizard
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:46:55 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: gumby.cs.caltech.edu

>> If everyone had a mom like Mike's, maybe we'd all turn out so nice.
> I suppose Mike's mom in the movie is played by Mike's mom?

    That is mikes mom, or at least when I last visited him she was still 
playing the part.  :-)  She makes great jam.  (amd mike does great labels)

    More than just thinking about what the greatest parts of wizard were
for me personally, I am more excited about thinking about future
projects that mike is planning to do.  On the horizon is 'Bjorn to be
Wild' which sounds like a lot of fun, and if Mike ever manages to secure
some finacial gain from Wizard, that could be a posibility, otherwise I
am interested in what Mike could do with computer graphic animation.
With cg, there are no limitations on the artist, except for patience :-).
    What new short, or longer animations live within that green head?

>> Den som har dromt Udfaerd og Dad senker ej Sejl uden med Sorg. B. Bjornson
    Huh?  Outside joke I guess.

dw+  woolstar@gumby.cs.caltech.edu
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From: cc4b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Brian Cox)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Vanishing Wizard
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:46:26 GMT
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Has everyone gone quiet for 5 days, or have we lost the CMU feed again?

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re: Peter O'Toole.
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:08:59 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Peter o'Toole would make an excellent actor for Jaxom's supervisor (brain-dead
at the moment), the one who lost his dragon.

--Akane
From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: All The Weyrs of Pern (SPOILERS)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:20:03 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk
Followup-To: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

This newsreader seems to ignore ^Ls so I will assume that anybody who has got
this far is well aware of the fact that I am going to "spoil" the story and just 
continue.

OK. I have been reading ATWOP and I have a question. Apologies if anybody is fed
up with this but i don't remember any discussion from before I read the book.) 
AIVAS mentions several times that the bridge of the Yokohama is at a vacuum so 
how the HELL can Ruth and Farli survive up there with no ill effects? I can 
_accept_ the lack of need for oxygen (i.e. they store sufficient for ~10mins
usage in their tissues) even if I believe it is a bit of pseudo-scientific hand 
waving on the part of AIVAS but I do not believe that they would be unaffected 
by the vacuum. [I gather that several dragons also go outside the spacecraft 
without protection. Needless to say, when I read this bit, disbelief will be 
suspended as high as the Dawn Sisters.]

Thanks in advance for any ideas

Philippa


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Subject: Dragon Poker 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:39:36 +0000


In article <91796@netnews.upenn.edu> lwl@pdiff.cis.upenn.edu writes:

>Those of you who are threatening to leave the group need to learn
>how to use kill files. There's a rather good FAQ which is posted
>to news.answers which explains how to use them with rn. (It's written,
>incidentally, by Miritha@PernMUSH). I find that placing PHIL in my
>killfile gets rid of a good quarter to half of the traffic on this
>group. Most of his posts are 90% quoted material anyway.

Fine, if your software can handle them.  Since I have the source to my
software, I guess I *could* implement a kill file handler, but that
would still mean that I have to download all the rubbish before I can
get rid of it!  Admittedly I then wouldn't see it, which has to be an
advantage...

>I redirected follow-ups to my last post to alt.flame.  Those who
>feel oppressed (*sarcasm*) should be emailing "their" persecutors,
>or at the very least, not changing the follow-up line.

Another thing I can't do at present <g>...  It's a good idea, though, if
you *can* do it...  (Sometime I really must write my own mailer program,
then it would do all the neat things that *I* want it to do <g>).

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:58:05 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> I got the impression (though it's been a long time since I read it) that
> Lessa's ability to "lean" was a by-product of high empathy. The reason it 
> could be associated in some way with the Ruathan line is that it's an 
> extremely empathic line (i.e. a source of many dragonriders). However I do 
> think Anne should have done more wiht it in subsequent books, at least 
> having Lessa use it even if she (AM) decided it was too touchy or rare to 
> have in other characters, but then she's not noted for high consistency in 
> her books :)
> 
> --Semhaza

I seem to remember Moreta doing something similar to calm Sh'gall the 
irascible. At the very least, she was one of the only people who could
handle him, and he often walked away rubbing his head. :) Does anyone
else remember something like this, or am I gonna have to look it up
myself? :)

Ellen -- Kiandra, rider of brown Arcoth@SouCon
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: bp2f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Beth Picknally Camden)
Subject: Reference sources
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:10:32 GMT

Some McCaffrey references sources which may be of interest.  These cover 
all of Anne's work not just Pern:

Brizzi, Mary T.
   Anne McCaffrey.  (Starmont reader's guide ; 30)
Mercer Island, Wash. : Starmont House, 1986
95 pp.

ISBN: 0930261291 (pbk.)
      0930261305 (hard)

This attempts to be literary criticism of Anne's work, but is not IMO 
well written.  Brizzi seems obsessed with finding literary allusions and
symbolism (she particularly likes the "horse and rider" symbol).  Some of 
it is interesting (particularly the chapter on the Crystal singer books).  

The bibliography is good, including sources for some of Anne's more obscure
short works.

Arbur, Rosemarie.
   Leigh Brackett, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Anne McCaffrey : a
primary and secondary bibliography.
   Boston, Mass. : G.K.Hall, c1982
277pp.

ISBN:  0816181209

Although chiefly a bibliography, this includes an essay comparing the 3 
authors and discussing women as science fiction writers.  The secondary
bibliography include brief annotations on the articles,etc.  These notes
are quite good and very interesting.  Many of the articles cited are reviews
of Anne's books written at the time the books were released (it's interesting
how the reviews contradict each other).  This bibliography only covers works
through 1980.

Beth Picknally Camden
bp2f@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: mason@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Ken Mason)
Subject: Re: Pern Board Game
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:32:53 GMT

In article <92Oct07.002439.20288@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>In article <5100@calmasd.Prime.COM> mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello) writes:
>>Has anyone played the Pern board game?  I'm curious to know what
>>the age level is and if it's an entertaining game before I shell
>>out the bucks.
>

ok, ok.  Where can i pick up this great game?? and how much for it??


K'len @ pernMU*
K'then @ Dragonsdawn
Random @ otherplaces
====================
Mason@ponder.csci.unt.edu
From: iceburg@cellar.org (Todd Safra)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Crystaline
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:47:10 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Well, if you have enjoyed the other Crystal Singer books, you'll generally 
like this one.  The story kind jumps around a lot more than previous books 
and certainly has more ups and downs.  I'd compare this to some of the great 
shocks that All the Weyrs delivered to saddened readers...


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Hey, the 90's are just the 60's,           Todd Safra
but upside down...                         Iceburg@Cellar.org
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: annak@microsoft.com (Anna Korra'ti)
Subject: Castings for a Pern flick
Date: 09 Oct 92 17:37:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: n/a

After looking through the People of Pern book, I've always been of the mind
that F'lar looks an awful lot like Richard Hatch (remember him, folks?
Apollo from _Battlestar Galactica_?). About the right age, I think - I get
the impression that F'lar in the main trilogy is in either his late thirties
or early forties, anybody with a better idea?

And Hatch doesn't have a career right now, so maybe he's sufficiently lowkey.
:-)

               Random thoughts,
                  - Anna.

-- 
annak@microsoft.com ** Angela Sh'k'anna Korra'ti
No opinion expressed above originates from Microsoft Corporation.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Recipe for Bubbly Pies
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.175238.6870@ra.msstate.edu> aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo) writes:
>I'd like the recipe too....
>
>--
>Regnat Populus!  | aw1@ra.msstate.edu | kith-kanan@rhostshyl.cit.cornell.edu
>The People Rule! | awargo@nyx.cs.edu  | MU* Chars.: Kith-Kanan, Akkad,
>                 |                    | Stormbringer, Kithan


To save time, how about however finds the recipe (and gets it translated into
Earth ingredients) posts it up here on the board. Now no more "me too.."

Later,
Matthew
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:23:04 GMT

I, IMHO, would prefer O'toole as Robinton, Connery as Fandarel, and the
others previously named as their suggested parts.

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Regnat Populus!  | aw1@ra.msstate.edu | kith-kanan@rhostshyl.cit.cornell.edu
The People Rule! | awargo@nyx.cs.edu  | MU* Chars.: Kith-Kanan, Akkad,
                 |                    | Stormbringer, Kithan
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: Pern Board Game
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:06:54 +0000


Can anyone tell me if the much-mentioned-on-this-group board game
is still available, where I could get it and how much it is?

It will have to be somewhere that does overseas mail order as I'm
in England, of course a UK supplier would be even better :-)

Peter.


-------------------------------------------| A specialist is someone
 *   *    Peter Boulter                    | who knows more and more
  ***     ---------------------------------| about less and less.
 *   *    starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk   | Until he ends up knowing
-------------------------------------------| everything about nothing.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:16:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct7.020419.24100@tamsun.tamu.edu>, di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies) writes:
> Don't know if this will post, but here goes.....
> 
> Only in the first book was mention ever made of this talent of Lessa's.
> I got the impression that it was something that people of Ruathan blood
> have.  But then it was never explored more, like with F'lessan, Jaxom,
> or Alessan, or... who else?  It's been too long since a reread...  Actually,
> if 'leaning' is only a full-blooded Ruathan's capability, then I guess I
> can see the omission with the generation after Lessa, but it was such an
> interesting concept that I wish it had been explored further.  Has this
> topic been discussed before?  I've been a read-only-wimp for a while now,
> and haven't seen it yet.  The plumbing discussion reminded me of the 'lean-
> ing' business.

I got the impression (though it's been a long time since I read it) that
Lessa's ability to "lean" was a by-product of high empathy. The reason it could
be associated in some way with the Ruathan line is that it's an extremely
empathic line (i.e. a source of many dragonriders). However I do think Anne
should have done more wiht it in subsequent books, at least having Lessa use it
even if she (AM) decided it was too touchy or rare to have in other characters,
but then she's not noted for high consistency in her books :)

Which indirectly brings up another point. Ever notice that *only* women are
able to "hear" all dragons consistently, or have sustained contact with one
dragon not their own? (If this is condradicted in the last book, I stand
corrected) Ever think of a reason why?

> While I'm here and actually typing without mistakes, what do yall think
> about an alt.fan.anne?  I'm dying to discuss Crystal Line...
> 
> -di
> di@stat.tamu.edu
> Love is a nose, but you'd better not pick it.

It could be a possibility. My first thought is "there wouldn't be enough
traffic to justify it" but how much traffic is there in something like
"alt.gorets"? Occasionally someone does crop up here with a question about one
of the other books. 

--Semhaza
From: ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claire Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: clarified butter
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:56:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.cooking
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <Bvyu3C.Hnx@news.iastate.edu>, txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
> As the definition was mentioned early just thought to add that you shouldnt
> havd to do this as I beleave that it has been done in procesing. The term
> is used in old resapes from whin people made there own butter or bought
> butter that someone else had made in a chern.
> 
Not so.
If you melt some butter yourself you will see the foam and the
solid lumps on the bottom. You don't absolutely have to skim
off the foam and pour off the clarified butter, just dip your
pastry brush or whatever in cautiously and you won't get enough
of the foam etc. to matter. Butter which has been clarified
is used in Indian cooking for frying (it can be heated to
a higher temperature without burning) and is called ``Ghee''.
If you put the solid bits at the bottom of the melted butter
in your baklava it will burn in the oven and the result will
not be too great.

-- 
Claire
ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk
(I don't know why I bother with a signature really, all the information
 in it appears (more concisely) in the header right before my eyes.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:37:39 GMT

JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>In article <Oct08.204918.84360@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
>venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo) says:
[lots of stuff about actors deleted]

Does anyone here read alt.fan.eddings?

Does the word de-ja vu mean mean anything to anyone?

Eccles aka *grin*
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Other writes with homsexuall characters
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:31:00 GMT

In <9OCT199215443825@rosie.uh.edu> psyco4@rosie.uh.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.121202.986@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...) writes...
>>>>>>Oh, give the woman a break, will you!  She created a society where
>>>>>>homosexuality plays an active, vital part.  How many other science
>>>>>>fiction and fantasy authors do that? 
 
>>>>>Marian Zimmer Bradley -- that's one...
>>>>Mercedes Lackey -- that's two...
>>>Joseph Hadelman(sp?) -- that's three...
>>John Varley -- that's four...
>Piers Anthony -- that's five...
Robert Heinlein -- six, if you're counting....


Eilidh Swan
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From: edorn1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Evan Dorn)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.182400.8762@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
swithing@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Scott Withington) writes:
> 
> if you've seen the ad on tv where the statue of a lion comes to life and chases
> a frisbee.  you can see how realistic the computer animation of dragons could
> be.

Doing that for an entire movie would be beyond the budget of most movies
I've ever seen, though.  Even T2 (which was not *constant* computer
generation) was 160-170 million...  A great thought, but I don't think it's
going to happen anytime soon.

Evan Dorn




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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: re: bubbly pies
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:19:48 GMT

If it exsists just post it-that would be a lot easier.
So miny of us want it (or an aproxsymly)

ELF-KIN
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern