From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:38:36 GMT
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In article <1993Jan23.230415.7384@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, Charles C. Bundy (ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: Some flows are hot <radioactive> tho usually deep oceanic.

Right, but like you said.  Those are usually deep and under the
ocean's crust.  It's unlikely that you'll have to worry about the area
around a volcano being radioactive.  If that were true, nobody would
go to Hawaii on vacation.  :)

: Believe it, though ash byproduct is often a good fertillizer.

News to me.  :)  Okay, ash poisons groundwater.  (Umm, depending on
what kind of poison we're talking about.  At least with a volcano, you
_KNOW_ not to drink the water.

: They kill outright locally and affect global environment for decades.

That's why we've got scientists monitoring volcanoes and seismic
activity, to give early warning.

: I don't believe any long term studies have been done on survivors of
: vulcanism, but if the Pacific chain is any indication I would say that
: they don't cause birth defects.

I'd agree.

: "Rare"?  If you mean "lethal", yes eruptions do release nasty natural gas.

Lots of natural gases are lethal.  No, I meant "rare" as in
not-naturally-occurring.

: A pessimistic/cynical view.  Unfortunately in certain instances you

So, I'm a cynic.  Sue me.  :)

: hit the nail on the head (i.e. Rayovac? in India).  I don't personally
: feel that the majority of companies operate this way (see below).
: I'd rather live by Mount St. Helens, much prettier...

Again, if Mt. St. Helens were going to go, you'd know it in advance.

: Umm, do the people who work in these hypothetical corporations, fly in
: from another county?  Do you really believe that controlling interests
: in these corporations would dump shit in their "backyard" as you put it?

That's just the case, in the Rockwell nuclear production facility.

: Illegal dumping further afield, usually winds up costing companies BIG
: bucks.  The precedence is there, and most company heads aren't stupid
: enough to go down the same route.  PLUS most of em' have kids and grand-
: kids.  Contrary to popular belief, they don't worship the profit margin
: over their families.  And give them some credit for empathy with other
: people's families.

It doesn't explain what happens, though.  There are too many instances
that exist to disprove that, aren't there?  What's worse is that
Rockwell got off the hook because the lawyers decided to plea bargain,
the jury wanted to throw the book at a LOT of things, and they've
gotten off with a fine.  Rockwell, as if this would dent their
pocketbooks, of course paid it.

I live in a city where Rockwell owns a very large corporation.  The
Allen-Bradley corporation is owned by Rockwell, and the possibility of
these business practices from the corporation taking place in the
middle of a city such as Milwaukee doesn't crank my chain.  The
Milwaukee river is polluted due to big business, it's been going on
for years.  Lake Michigan is also rather polluted, people still often
refuse to eat the fish.  Mercury levels are rather high.

If we close our eyes to what happens every day, we allow it to happen
for yet another.

: I'm trying not to flame, but you are using a broad brush to sterotype
: corporation execs as devils in disguise...

No, I'd use a broad brush to stereotype capitolism as hell.  It just
so happens that the only things that enjoy hell are devils.

I also wouldn't make the mistake of saying I know a better solution--I
don't.  But the fact that I don't know a way to cure the ills of
capitolist society doesn't mean I can't try to make what happens
clearer to others.

Greg

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