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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:17:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul24.161743.3570
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Jul22.193416.27423@wpi.WPI.EDU> llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon) writes:
>In article <92204.115718NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I'm surprised nobody has talked about the USAir - British Airways deal
>>that was announced yesterday.  I don't know much about it (except what
>>I read in the papers :-), but it sounds like a good deal for USAir.
>>USAir could use the money, and British Airways could use the
>>connections into the US that USAir could provide.
>>
>
>what i'm mainly interested in is whether anybody might have any idea
>about it's effect on the mileage program. this might be a concern
>since apparently the 2 airlines are going to share a common name.
>hopefully, the accumulated mileage will still be respected.

I am hoping that USAir and BA create a new program.  Hopefully similar to
Northwest's and KLM where Europe costs 40,000, and minimum flight segment
miles are 750.  USAir just gave me 10,000 miles to join their FF club,
(plus a couple of 1st class updgrades) so I don't have all the info 
about it yet.

--Ken
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From: lhughes@us.oracle.com
Subject: Cheap San Jose <--> Seattle RT or OW
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:12:22 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

1 round-trip ticket for sale, either as round-trip or seperately as one-way.
Leaves San Jose -> Seattle July 24    approx 9:00AM - 11:00AM
Returns Seattle -> San Jose July 27   approx 1:00PM - 3:00PM

I don't remember the exact times but these are close.  

I'll sell the round trip for $100, or either leg for $60.  By the 23rd I'll be
getting desperate, and you'll be able to rob me blind with a lower offer.

Respond via e-mail to lhughes@oracle.com


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From: charless@sco.COM (charles stross)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: The Somewhat Contagious Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:43:46 GMT


In article <23834@castle.ed.ac.uk> egev05@castle.ed.ac.uk (B A Page) writes:
>
>Hell, why not have BRAT - FREE - FLIGHTS - it'd be a big seller.
>
>Babs

Er, they already exist (sort-of), but there's a drawback.

I accidentally found myself on a brat-free-flight a few years ago,
returning from a package holiday in the far east. The big silver
bird (TM) was roosting in Gatwick, so I had to catch a BA business
shuttle up to Manchester to get home (along with a couple of friends).

The business shuttle was a brat-free flight. Except for us four
bewildered tourists (in hawaian shirts and cameras, natch) every-
body was wearing what I took to be compulsory uniform for this
flight -- power ties and business suits. They handed out newspapers
at the boarding gate; it was a choice between the Financial Times,
Wall Street Journal and that dangerous left-wing rag, the Daily
Telegraph. The weird looks we picked up, simply because we weren't
in uniform ... it was quite alarming. I almost expected the other
pasengers to form a posse and lynch us on suspicion of carrying
a concealed brat. ``Why isn't that _child_ in the work-house? Pinko
commie subversive bastard!''


-- 
Charlie Stross aka charless@scol.sco.com ..... UNIX oriented text mangler
WARNING: The opinions voiced in the preceding electronic document are the
product of a warped mind. Take two before meals. 
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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:56:58

>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am
flying to
>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't
realize it is
>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines
across the
>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.

I've flown on 767s across the Atlantic several times, and last time
i checked i was still here 8-)

Seriously though....

The crew, particularly the pilots, know a lot more about planes than 
you and i do.  If 767s were unsafe, how would they ever convince
anyone to fly them?

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

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From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:23:57 GMT

citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:


Besides American and United, I know that Northwest
>and USAir have cards.  Perhaps TWA and Continental have them, too.  Anybody 
>know?

Just for the record, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce have a card
with ONE of the Canadian airline -- I believe it's Air Canada.

Anne

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From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Keywords: flying fear boeing 767 two 2 engine reliable crew life insurance
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:27:22 GMT

>From: jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg)
>Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
>
>It's true, the 757 and 767 have only 2 engines.  (And they even fly
>767s on Austraila <--> USA nonstop legs, which is a lot farther than
>crossing the Atlantic.)  But, and this is the reason these airplanes
>are certified for long-range overwater flights, engine failure in
>flight is *very* rare -- most accidents (a) aren't caused by engine
>failure, and (b) happen on takeoff and (especially) landing anyway.

Qantas is using 767s between Honolulu and the US West Coast, and perhaps 
Honolulu between the Fiji Islands.  They use the 747s between Honolulu 
and the east coast of Australia.  


======================================================================
Michael E. Yip
Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.enet.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
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From: schiedec@sunslc.imw.tu-clausthal.de (Norbert Schiedeck)
Subject: q 
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:20:51 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe)
Subject: Re: currency exchange
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:43:38 GMT

mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Marc Chamberland) writes:

>I will be travelling to London next week (from Canada). Where
>is the best place for me to buy British pounds?

After acquiring a hundred pounds or so, you have enough to keep you
going for a day or two in London.  Then, if you have an ATM card
from your bank that is on a major system, such as Plus system, you
can use the automatic teller machines in London to get additional
cash.  I just got back from London last week, and was amazed at 
how many teller machines there were.  At least 80% of them were
connected to Plus system, so I was able to get additional pounds
whenever I needed them.  Handy!  :-)

                                                            Kurt
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From: veeramac@eemips.tamu.edu (Ramu Veeramacheneni)
Subject: Ticket for sale SanJose to Dallas
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:12:13 GMT

Hi netters,
I have a ticket for sale. The scheduled date of travel is on the 31st
of August from SanJose to Dallas. Please call 415-691-0926 and ask for
Ramu Veeramac.







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From: jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Summary: correction re risks of flying, driving, smoking
Keywords: flying fear Boeing 767 two 2 engine reliable crew life insurance
Organization: U of Texas at Austin / Physics Dept / Center for Relativity
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:11:31 GMT

[I believe I have untangled the multi-level attributions here, but
 if I'm attributing the following quote to the wrong person, I apologise.]

In article <CINDY.92Jul24155658@solan10.solan.unit.no>,
cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it
>is smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines
>across the Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be
>appreciated.

In article <1992Jul28.010632.15477@chpc.utexas.edu>
jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg) [I] writes [replied]:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>One other point:  The world's scheduled airlines carry about 800
>million passangers a year, total.  (Obviously many of these are repeat
>customers, but that's irrelevant here.)  The death toll from accidents
>fluctuates, but is usually a few hundred per year, sometimes up to
>1000 in a really bad year.  This suggests that your risk of being
>killed in any one flight is about 1 in a million.  These are pretty
>good odds.
>
>In contrast, in the USA, about 500,000 people each year are killed
>in car accidents, out of a population of about 250 million.  That
>suggest that in the USA your risk of being killed in a car accident
>is about 1 in 500 per year.  We conclude that in your upcoming trip
>to Barcelona, by far the most dangerous parts of the trip are the
>drives to/from the airports -- the flying is the *safe* part.
>
>[Yes, I know, most people in the USA drive more often than they fly,
>which skews the odds considerably.  But the conclusion is still valid
>even with a more careful calculation.]

Oops, I must have missed a brain refresh cycle (too many 3am thesis
sessions!).  As several people have already pointed out to me, these
numbers for driving fatalities are wrong.  (I think I mentally confused
them with the death toll from smoking.)  The correct figures are:

scheduled airlines	about 300-1000 killed per year world-wide
automobiles		about 50,000 killed per year in USA
tobacco			about 350,000 killed per year in USA

Conclusion: flying is a lot safer than driving, so long as you are
in the non-smoking section...

Sorry for any confusion from my mis-figuring,

- Jonathan Thornburg
  <jonathan@einstein.ph.utexas.edu> or <jonathan@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu>
  University of Texas at Austin / Physics Dept / Center for Relativity
  and (for a few more months) U of British Columbia / {Astronomy,Physics}
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
From: pmmuggli@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  (pauline muggli)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Originator: mdtll@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, Univ. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:52:02 GMT

  t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman) writes:
>  yarvin@highlite.uucp (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>:   mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:

>: >Corporal punishment of children is illegal in Sweden and has been for
>: >some time.  I wonder if more and more Swedes are brats with problems?

>: Perhaps they're just learning that the only valid way of affecting someone's
>: behavior is persuading him to share your faith in peace, love, and common
>: humanity.

>	btw, it's illegal to hit children in Sweden, but (this part is 
>difficult for me to comprehend)  you don't get in trouble with the police 
>unless it's a real beating. I think Finland, Norway, Denmark and Holland have
>a similar law (correct me if i'm wrong)..

does this go for all kinds of physical things like pinching, pulling
hair, pulling an ear, et cetera?  or only for hitting, punching, kicking?

peeve:  seeing a child with no limits.  (not that i approve of beatings
or some of the mental tortures parents put their children through, but a
child needs limits to feel secure)

colin's (3 at the time) mother talked to my sister and said she didn't know
what to do with him.  "when we got back from the grocery store, he made me
give him some green bananas to eat."  my sister's response, my
brother-in-law's response when told the story and my response when she
told me:  "he made you?!?!?!?"

this is the same child who would get out of bed at night and in order to
encourage him to go back to sleep, the parents would read him a story or
two.  it took a minimum of 1.5 hours to get him in pajamas and into bed
at night.  and if he got up, at least another half an hour to get back
into bed.  now, i think parents should read to their children, but when
the child get's up an hour or two after being put to bed???

this is also the same child who had to start eating christmas dinner
before the rest of us because he didn't understand what "it's not ready
yet" meant.  even though his younger (2.5 yrs) cousin did.

anti-peeve:  hearing the child has had limits set because the parents
could no longer stand the brattiness.

he's better than he was, but he is the kind of child who will grow up to
be a bully.  he's larger than other children his age, and when he
doesn't get the attention when he wants it and the kind of attention he
wants, he throws a fit.  

it was amazing to me that a 3 year old had complete control of the
family.  he does understand limits, because when he stayed at my
sister's house a couple of weekends last summer, he was (after the first
evening) relatively well behaved.  he seemed to understand that when my
sister said no, she meant it and no amount of tantrums or whinings would
change her mind.

pauline
From: hank.beisheim@uttsbbs.uucp (Hank Beisheim) 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: RE: TACA AIRLINES?
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: hank.beisheim@uttsbbs.uucp (Hank Beisheim) 

You might try Ocean Connections in Houston. They operate a package
to Belize that is very inexpensive. Have your local travel agent contact
them for pricing and other info. We've used them twice and my fiancee
has used them several other times prior and have had good luck with
them.
                                                                                                    
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:43:19 GMT

In <22JUL199210520053@ucis.vill.edu> 185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Clinton and Gore in 92) writes:

>A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition 
>is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. I have a trip which I 

News reports in Canada suggest that TWA will be somehow incorporated
in US/BritAir.  This may be because the news reports are painting as
bad a picture of the buy-into as possible since Air Canada seesm to
have put all its eggs in the "agreement-with-USAir" basket and now
finds them all broken by British Airways.

But...am I not getting all the mail in this newsgroup or has there
been no comment on the British Airways-USAir deal?
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sfg2483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Shachar Frank )
Subject: Re: Little Planes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:33:47 GMT


>In article <BrwwLr.Gw2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>>I'm traveling from Champaign to Chicago (dunno the airport codes, but it's
>>Willard at the U of Illinois to O'Hare).  The flight just happens to be
>>on one of those little dinky "Express" planes.  I've never had any trouble
>>flying before, and I've done quite a bit of it, but I've also never been
>>on a small plane run by propellers.  Needless to say, I'm a bit nervous.
>>(If I had known I would be flying on a fifteen seater, I probably would've
>>just taken the bus ;)  I can't really change the flight because 1. It's in
>>a week, and 2. I'm on my way to Seattle and I'm meeting my family in 
>>Chicago before continuing on with them (so I can't try all those neat 
>>"bump" tricks 'n stuff :)  Does anyone have any stories/crash facts
>>to calm my (surely irrational) fears?

In <1992Jul25.035305.17311@news.acns.nwu.edu> staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
>I was on a United Express flight (which is not a bad flight...but never 
>do Northwest JFK-Boston...its no bigger than a model plane) from Chicago
>to Champaign.  It was a clear beautiful day.  We were coming in for a 
>landing.  It was as though the pilot saw the runway and bet the co-pilot
>he could land the plane without pulling up until the last second.  We
>nosedived to the runway.  And then, what seemed like a few feet off the
>ground, he straightened up and landed.  

>--Ken

I've flown on United Express from Champaign to Chicago many times.
It's really not so bad. Their planes are Fokker F-27 which hold about
60 passangers so they're not that small. In fact, they have the largest
commuter planes flying into Champaign. The only big difference between 
them and jets is that they are NOSIER.
If it's a nice day you have nothing to worry about at all.
Try to look on the bright side - you fly at a lower altitude so you can
see a lot more!
Hope you enjoy it!
From: allg@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Allan Greenleaf)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheap Hotel near Munich airport?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:57:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


     Could some kind soul suggest an inexpensive hotel near
the Munich airport? I have to catch a very early flight.

Thanks,
Allan Greenleaf
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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<17145@autodesk.COM> <1992Jul28.051849.17880@ads.com>
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:33:44

>-> They give out decks of cards on some flights.
>->I don't see why they cannot give out crayolas and paper to kids.
>
>exactly (although i have seen some <us-based> airlines schlep out the
>crayolas and airline-specific coloring books ... )

When we flew over to the US for Christmas last year, i saw the
stewardess bring out coloring books and other toys.  (The airline
was SAS.)  Of course, right before Christmas there are slightly more
kids than usual flying across the Atlantic - kids with, in this case,
one Norwegian parent and one American parent, going to visit
grandparents for the holidays.  They also showed Disney cartoons
most of the time when the feature movie wasn't on screen.  It was
great - the only sound we heard from the kids around us were happy
sounds, even the one tiny baby didn't cry (through some stroke of
luck).

However, to get back to babies... the cartoons and coloring books
won't help most folks who aren't into solid food yet... And they
won't help at all if the problem is ear trouble, which it often is.

But i like the basic idea.  And i wish more airlines would show
cartoons in-flight 8-)

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Looking for an AT&T customer who wants to pickup some AIR MILES
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:20:38 GMT
Distribution: usa


>How many miles do you get per dollar paid to AT&T with this program?  I cannot
>imagine that they are doing 5 miles per $1, or even 1 mile per $1.  Anybody
>know?

I know this is slightly unrelated, but AAdvantage offers 5 miles for
every $1 on MCI.


(and, I'd much rather have AA miles!)

David Andersen
UC Irvine

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From: jdn@sbctri.sbc.com (John D. Nguyen)
Subject: Travel to Europe
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 00:29:36 GMT

Hello Netters;
Does anyone know of any good 14 days travel package to Europe (Paris,
London, ...)? Please advise.
John Nguyen
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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Delta Frequent Flyer
Keywords: Delta, Medallion
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:40 GMT

davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun) writes:

>Does anyone know what the award levels are for Delta's MEDALLION
>(40,000+ miles per year) level awards are?  Delta seems to be unwilling to
>tell unless you do fly more than 40000 miles on them.  I'm going to be in
>the 30000+ range this year and was wondering if flying to LA or SF would
>be worth it. 

The medailion level awards are significanly better than "standard".  Remember
though it's 40,000 BASE miles - ie actual miles flown with Delta, no bonus,
credit card (or even other airlines I think).
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From: M11816@MBVM.Mitre.Org (J.B.Campbell)
Subject: Re: Delta Vouchers-St Thomas-San Juan- Canada-Alaska-USA
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:01:08 GMT

We travel to St Thomas from Boston a lot, having a house in the VI.
Usually it's on freq flyer freebies. This year I investigated
using Key Airlines, a scheduled outfit based in Savannah. Their price was about
 $450 round trip BOS-STT.  I'm told they are a very decent little airline. The
fly two days a week (Thurs and Sunday). Brief change of planes in their
Savannah hub -- uncrowded airport.  They answered their 800 number
with no waiting on hold, were very courteous. I know someone who
used them to Cancun -- good report.
/JBC
 
----------------
John B. Campbell
MITRE Corporation
<jbc@mitre.org>
Bedford, MA 01730
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In article <1992Jul27.183551.8373@linus.mitre.org>
cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Jul27.143411.26307@qualcomm.com>, Qualcomm.Com. (DROBINSON @QUALCOMM.COM) writes:
>>
>> St. Thomas is sure nice this time of the year and a trip there would
>> cost approx. $2,000.00 for two.
>
>My wife and I just went to St. Thomas a couple of weeks ago, and our
>airfare was only about $1,300.00 for two.
>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Standby & Bumping queue order (was: Bumping)
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Jul30.225350.12832@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:32:34 GMT

reb> == Phydeaux  <reb@Ingres.COM> 

 reb> ...Or perhaps the rules on bumping for the airline in question are
 reb> similar to those for standby.  I *KNOW* that if you've got an
 reb> el-cheapo ticket and are the first one to sign up for standby that
 reb> someone with a full fare ticket is most likely going to get
 reb> stuffed ahead of you in the line.

I recently got bumped off of a flight when I had a very cheap ticket
(not one of the ultra cheap summer fares, but pretty close). I was first
on the bump list. Hell, I made them *create* a bump list when I heard a
reservations agent grumbling how full the flight was going to be. I went
back to the podium every 5-10 minutes while they were boarding to make
sure I shouldn't board. It paid off. I now possess a bump-voucher good
for anytime in the next year. And they gave me a food voucher too!

So be persistent! make a pain out of yourself! worse that happens is
that you'll get on your original flight, but best is that bump voucher!

--Helen
--
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