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From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:03:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

>In article <29118@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
>>    To settle this, does anyone have stats showing W-L records for
>>regular season games AFC vs. NFC? 
>Geez, why do you want to do that? Gary Strand has been campaigning 
>AFC vs NFC regular season records for years. Why? because that's the
>only AFC vs NFC criteria in the last decade that's close.

You make it sound as if there are TONS of criteria which favor the 
NFC. There are 2 criteria, the mean and the max. The mean (overall
record) favors the AFC, the max (Superbowl winner) favors the NFC.
What other criteria are there?

>Our point is simply: best of NFC > best of AFC. There is no argument about 
>it.  The only way to dodge the argument is:

>1) compare the AFC vs NFC in the regular season
>2) bring back the 70s SB to make the comparison more even
>3) claim that the 49ers/Redskins/Giants/Bears have NOTHING to do with 
>   the NFC; they are just in that conference by accident

The problem with YOUR argument is that you simply ASSUME that 
"best of NFC" == "NFC". You would rather take one team and extrapolate
to an entire conference than consider a large pool of data which 
shows conference strengths as a whole.

Why does this absurd thread keep coming back? 

>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com

Oh, that's why.

Mike C.
>                                          
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Eagles-Aints
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:43:16 GMT


After my brilliant choice of selective viewing for the morning game (see
previous post), I wasn't turning my back on this puppy.  Nor was I 
conceding anything to New Orleans at the half.

As you all know by now, the Eagles made a very nice little comeback
of their own, rallying from a 13-point second half deficit on this
historic day in the NFL.  As stifling as their defense was in the 
second half, I give them a decent shot at upsetting Dallas next week.
Everything seemed to come together for them:  Cunningham appeared
to be regaining his confidence, Sherman is a legit RB, and their
receivers appear to be at least adequate.  Should be a good game.

On the flip side:  this has to be way aggravating for Saints fans.
I've been there, so I won't gloat.  Besides, the team should have
a bright future, provided that it makes one key move:

dump Hebert.

This isn't intended as a dig, but with a decent QB, this team could
be scary.  I had seen and heard that he was performing better late
in the season, and the first half supported it.  But once the heat
was on, he reverted to form, staring down recievers, hurrying passes,
and generally playing like a rattled rookie.  Problem is, he's not
outgrowing it.

Everything else seems to be there for New Orleans.  Suppose that this
will be the final straw for Hebert?  Or will the fans instead focus
their wrath upon Mora for a couple of unusual playcalls in the second
half?


-- 
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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: Wild Card in Super Bowl ( was Redskins Repeat)
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:54:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro

In article <1992Dec20.100458.23579@math.ucla.edu>,
rfedkiw@olympic.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) wrote:
> 
> In Article 41611, jason writes...
> 
> >i do not believe a wild card team has EVER made it to the superbowl...
> >this would immediately disqualify a championship game between two
> >wildcards... but i could be wrong on that... i don't know for sure if
> >a wild card team has made it to the superbowl... i remember hearing a
> >couple years ago that no AFC wildcard team has ever made it to the
> >superbowl... but i am not so sure about the nfc...

Actually, the Flores/Plunkett Raiders WON the Super Bowl as a wildcard. 
=====
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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Sleepers 
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:18:31 GMT

In article <wjgr#nd@lynx.unm.edu> metv@triton.unm.edu () writes:

[ ..stuff deleted.. ]

>Next Week, Raiders at home, they should win this one.  

Arghh!

>Packers

[ ... ]

>They would be a good match up for
>either the Cowboys or Niners.  

I'm a died in the wool Packers fan, but I'm not that optimistic.  Having moved
to Texas, I've had an oppurtunity to see the Cowboys play.  I've also had an
oppurtunity to watch the 49'ers play (for some reason they like to show the
49'ers down here - go figure)  I've also watched the Packers play, but only
one game - against Houston.  Were I a betting man, I would not choose the Pack
in a match up against Dallas or San Fran.

>Next week, they play Vikes away from home; but
>they should win this one.

Well, it will be a good game.  Hopefully, with a new NFL record set early in
the first half - go Sterling!

[ ... ] 

Go PACKERS
Go RAIDERS - Oh, PLEASE!
Go GIANTS

- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: VIKES 'O'
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:48:19 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Well now that we're in, we can get a different sense of tension for the 
playoffs.  I for one am not content with the NFC central.  Not once were the 
VIKINGS blown away, every game they had a chance to win late in the game.  
This shows me that they are just one year away from the whole banana.  I 
somewhat question the O play calling if anything, especially running the 
REDSKINS offense.  When the skins won it all...they threw deep 4-7 times a 
game, hitting at least two of them.  I can remember when the VIKES would 
just put it up for A.C. no matter what the coverage...and he'd catch it. Now 
they won't even throw him the DAMN ball, totaly ridiculas.  In the S.F. 
game, I saw the famed quick slant that once was his trade mark for the first 
time this year.  Remember when Wade and Tommy would hit Nelson out of the 
backfield, man it was beutifull, it put both Q.B's in the playoffs.  Now 
they seem to think to throw it to a back, it HAS to be a screen...come on..a 
quick toss 7-8 times a game and Gannon or Steak gets in a groove.  I guess I 
shouldn't complain to much about the coach of the year and his staff.
A TRUE VIKE...TRAPPED IN TEXAS..DALLAS NO LESS.

p.s. HOPING FOR A VIKES-BOYS playoff game....MAN...I WOULD LOVE TO COME TO 
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From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:31:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Cowboys '91 LB sacks (was Re: Aikman a weakness?!? (was Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)))
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>(Chris Waters) /  3:21 pm  Dec 25, 1992 /
i>>>>How many playoff victories does Young have?  
>>>At least one, possibly more.  He beat the Vikes back in '87, 
>>1987 playoffs (Jan. 1988) at Candlestick:

>>    Minnesota 36  San Francisco 24

>>The 49ers got blown out in the 1st half, 20-3. Young came in for the 2nd
>>half to make the score respectable.  I don't realize that 49ers fans have 
>>to resort to MORAL victory. 

>Hmm, that's definitely not the game I had in mind.  I'm talking about
>the one where Steve ran for a 49 yard TD to cement the victory.  Might
>have been the '88 game against the Vikes.

I'm pretty sure that game was a regular season game.  Unless Young
started the '88 playoff game against the Vikes, he has no playoff
victories in the NFL.  But I think by that time Montana had firmly
reclaimed his starting job.



>>And BTW, Zimmers, Young's NFL career is not just starting. His record was
>>1-4 in 1985, 2-14 in 1986. Doesn't look like he could have done better with
>>the Seahawks either.

>Could *anyone* have won games with the 'hawks?  :-P  ;-)

Young played with Tampa Bay, not the 'Hawks.  But they were even worse,
so it's impossible to judge Young from those years, though I contend a
Montana/Unitas combination would have won *at least* three games. :^)

>Anyway, if you want to argue that the Niners' system makes even average
>QBs look great, you'll get no argument from me.  I'm actually a little
>dubious about just how great a QB Joe Montana really is, and I'm a died
>in the wool Niners fan.

Boy, I never thought I'd be arguing this with a 'Niners fan :^).  But I
guess the one anti-Montana argument that bugs me is "the team makes him
look good".  Of course he played with other great players, otherwise he
wouldn't have 4 SB rings.  But he performed with a frequently changing
cast of offensive characters, under two different coaches.  And he
didn't always have a good running game to rely on - it was mediocre in
'81 and by '89 Craig was in decline.  I remember quite clearly there was
a lot of fretting about the quality of the '9ers running game during the
'89 season.  Of course this does not apply to the mid-decade teams with
Craig and Wendell Tyler in their prime.

But don't interpret this as an anti-Young argument.  I'm a big Montana
fan, but I was a '9ers fan before I ever heard of Montana and needless
to say I hope Steve takes them to a Super Bowl win.

- Gary Rosen
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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: Only two weeks left!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:41:38 GMT

There are only two weeks left to enter my pool.  There is still a chance to
get involved!!!  Show everyone that you know what you're talking about, and
aren't afraid to back it up.  A chance to win prestige, and money in the 
process.  If you want to get involved, E-mail me if you want more info, want a 
quote on my parimutuel odds, or if you want to make an investment.


_________________________________________________________________________
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Vikes-In Probowl
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:34:16 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Six Vikes (all from the Super-D) are named for the 1993 Pro-Bowl.

There are 4 starters and 2 reserves.  The D-man (Doleman), and
McDaniel were among the Starters and Todd Scott was named 
in the Reserve category.

11 Vikes from the Vikes-O were named for the pro-bowl...Hey Just Kidding.
Hopefully the O will get recognition next year.

S.h
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My Euphoric Moments: A Vikes-TD and a Twins Homer-Blast!

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From: wytten@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach)
Subject: Re: NEW VIKING QB?!
Keywords: Sean,
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:53:33 GMT

In <1hnvckINNlk9@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
> I would personally like to see Esiason in Minnesota.

Gack!  I used to like Esiason, had him on my fantasy team twice,
but decided that he's too inconsistent.  

I think Montana could walk onto the Vikings and do a great job.
I also think it would be way too expensive.  I don't know much
about how free agency works, but if it were possible for Minnesota
to sign Montana without having to give SF players or picks, *then*
it might not be too expensive.

Still smarting from the worst trade in sports historym

Dale Wyttenbach
From: v067m8l8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Dexter Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills Injuries
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Can anybody tell me what is the status of the Bills players who are injured?
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Over-rated players???
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:45:57 GMT
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X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I (shankar@sgi.com) wrote:

> [ Lots of Deion-bashing ].

In fairness, I must pick on one member of my fav. team: Dana Hall.

There's an overrated player in aces. He's OK, but that's all. The way
the local sportswriters were going on after he was drafted, you'd
think he was the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

And add to that the fact that he was appointed "leader" of the
defense, and you have a major-league overrated player!


(And now in fairness to Dana: I must admit, when I first saw Jerry
Rice as a rookie, I was seriously underwhelmed! The way he was
dropping passes and f***ing up the routes, I didn't see much of a
future for him on the team. Silly me! (No Jerry-bashing, please)).
--
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From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Physics 101
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:31:56 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:35:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.212025.31009@uvmark.uucp> Dave Meeks,
davem@uvmark.uucp writes:
>???  But, it doesn't matter if the ballwas still in his hand, the point
is
>whether he was deemed to be in the motion of throwing or not... This is
>why the controversey.  From all angles I have seen, he looks like he
>was in the motion of passing and got stuffed.  Should have been an 
>incomplete pass...


??? But, look at the reverse angle, he was pulling the ball back after
pumping
when it was knocked out....it was a fumble.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: San Diego in playoffs?????
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:53:31 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.78.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.172551.24298@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
>>Subject: Re: San Diego in playoffs?????
>>Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:25:51 GMT
>>In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.76.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>>
>>Yes my Dear ALN, the first team EVER to do it! SNIFF! SNIFF!,
>>I have a cold! 
>>-- 
>
>YOU'RE SICK! NO, I mean SICK!   I know you love it when I net.insult you!
>
Ohhh, ALN! I love it when you "spank me" and "net.insult" me in front
of thousands of geeks out there. :-) SNIFF! SNIFF! is that your
awesome perfume that I smell! 
>
>Anyone go 0-3 and make the playoffs?
>Adriene
>
Writing a book or what?!

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:02:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec29.151018.5792@mksol.dseg.ti.com> dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com writes:
>
> Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
> damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
> suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
> idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
> Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
> favoritism is stupid.

While I agree that Dan, Al and Frank were their stupid drooling self over
Montana's playing, I'd chalk this one to the rating-misers.  This game was
meaningless to the Lions and Niners (maybe Lions fans might want to see
how well Ware would play and maybe watch Barry in action).  The only reason
the mass populous would tune into this game would be to see Joe play!  The
MNF announcers were trying to give the audience what they wanted. 


satish nair
ray is gone!

PS Anyone else notice the look on Steve Young's face?  Let's see, he leads the
Niners to the best record in the NFL, is the highest rated passer in the
league, will probably lead the team to the NFC Championship game and all 
50,000 Niner fans wanted was "Joe! Joe! Joe!"
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: No Cowboys 'D' in Pro Bowl
Date: 28 Dec 1992 16:13:48 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

It doesn't bother me at all that the Cowboys had no defensive players
on the Pro-Bowl squad, it's a credit to Dallas rotating 18 players
in every game to be the #1 NFL defense, it's a team sport. So let the 
other guys go play in the pro-bowl, we will just take our best shot at the 
real prize.

The "Lynch Mob" Defense
Go Cowboys !!!!
tim
From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re:  TO GREEN BAY BOB AND ALL PACKER FANS
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:52:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center

In article <1992Dec28.154914.25136@bmw.mayo.edu>, bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson) writes:
|> 
|> HEY GREEN BAY BOB!!!  Did you enjoy the game (rout) at the dome on Sunday???
|> You and all the other playoff wannabees from Packer land were pretty obnoxious
|> and cocksure about the abilities of your precious Pack.
|> 
|> I almost puked on Sat. evening when the Luck of the Pack caused the lowly
|> Raiders to upset the Redskins.  But I guess it was the best thing that could 
|> have happened, because the Packers and all their fans did their celebrating
|> then instead of remembering that they still had to play the Vikings.
|> 
|> Well, we will have to set up a time to go to the store and pick up our Viking
|> jerseys.  Then you will have to wear yours on Saturday as you cheer for the best
|> team in the NFC Central (by far I might add, 7-1).  I sincerely hope that you
|> will be cheering for the proper team.  Because, if hell ever froze over and the
|> Pack made the playoffs and the Vikes had to watch from the sidelines, I would
|> cheer for them.
|> 

Well Chad, I've given up on you.  When you posted annoying, idiotic messages like
this in the past, I politely pointed out that you shouldn't generalize all Packer
fans, call people names, and generally incite people.  You've used up your chances.
You've proven that you are indeed an idiotic, annoying jerk.  You're the Viking's
representative for the "All-Stupid Obnoxious Posters" team.

Don't bother responding Chad.  I won't reply.  Too bad such an infant and his
loud mouth make other Viking's fans look bad.
From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF: Joey's Return
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:23:17 GMT
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah

In article <8fBhhWy00WDK47QGkz@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Well, next week on MNF, Montana is supposed to return, at least
>according to Siefert at halftime of tonight's game, to play a few
>quarters if not more. I have mixed feelings about this:
>I can't decide if I want to see them get crushed next week or
>win big and have them start Montana in the playoffs and get
>crushed there instead.

If you think that Joe is going to start the playoffs under all but the most 
dire of circumstances you are gravely mistaken, have you ever heard of 
someone named Steve Young? He's only the highest rated QB in the NFL with 
the best winning percentage as well.

>After some thought, I think I'd like to see Montana come up big
>on Monday night, start in the playoffs and throw about 6 inter-
>ceptions in their first playoff game. I'd wish for him to get
>crushed personally, but:
>1) that's really mean-spirited, and while he's an asshole, wishing
>injury on someone is reserved for criminals and people who have
>personally injured me.
>2) if he has a really bad game but gets injured, we're back to
>square one again with all the hype about when he'll eventually
>return.

You are holding in a lot of repressed hostility aren't you?

>NOTE: for those who don't already know, or haven't figured
>out by now, I respect Montana's abilities but DESPISE the
>s.o.b. due to his (lack of) character.

Gee, I hadn't guessed.

>I don't think I'd even mind the Niners winning another SB if
>Joey was getting crushed and Young or Bono pulled their fat
>from the fire.

As stated above. It's going to have to be Joe who pulls anyone's butt out of 
the fire, because San Fran's starter is Steve Young.

>Am I the only one who got sick at the way the MNF bozos
>were fawning over Montana and "eagerly anticipating"
>next week's game just so they could see him on the field
>again? *gack* I think I'm gonna hurl.

Keep in mind Al Michaels and co. are trying to hype a meaningless game, they 
have to pull in viewers for MNF even when the game they have to offer 
promises to be a blowout, and is totally meaningless in the playoff picture.

I think a lot more people besides Dierdorf, Michaels, etc. would like to see 
Joe play again. 

Vern, go stick your head in the toilet, flush it, and scream through the 
swirling waters how much you hate Joe Montana. It sounds really loud and 
neat, and you can feel really vindicated when you do it. It's real catharsis 
man.

>--Vernon.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 11:26:06 CST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Bad Boy Green Bay Bob

oh, I almost forgot. There was also a guy selling shirt with the saying
"*expletive* Green Bay" on them. Classy guy, real classy. I'm glad to say
that he was arrested shortly there after.

Green Bay Bob
Proud to be a Packer Fan

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