HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Denis Howe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Finding the CSD
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:58:01
Organization: Computing Department, Imperial College, London, UK
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In-reply-to: wsinda@wsintt02.info.win.tue.nl's message of 14 Dec 92 13:03:36 GMT

banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz wrote:

>Set My$CSD <FileSwitch$<FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>$CSD>

mybg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M Y Ben Gershon) replied:

>I couldn't get this to work.  Has anyone else had any luck with it?

In article <4813@svin09.info.win.tue.nl>
wsinda@wsintt02.info.win.tue.nl (Dick Alstein) concurred:

>Nope. Nesting the variables doesn't work.

Funnily enough, I've just done this.   After my success doing it under
RISC OS 2, doing it under RO3 was just too easy (though still not as
easy as you would expect).  From memory:

Set FS <FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>
SetEval CSD "<FS>:"+FileSwitch$<FS>$CSD

The first command is only necessary to make the second one fit on one
line!  Who knows, maybe by RISC OS 4 they'll have got it down to one,
easy to swallow, variable. :-)

Anyone know a simpler way?
--
Denis Howe <dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk>
So Biggs, you're the idiot who bought all these IBM PCs.  You're fired!
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From: amclintock@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Cray Communications, Alex McL")
Subject: Re: lha de-archiving
Reply-To: amclintock@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:04:00 +0000


TITLE: lha de-archiving

> I am in need of a utility to de-archive lha compressed files.
Ok.

> Do any versions of Spark or arcfs handle these?
Not that I know of.

> Or is there any other program in the public domain?
Yep! there is a simple lharc de-archiver. 
If you can't find it yourself I can upload. 
(try:
     mail info-server@newcastle.ac.uk

     line-limit 1000
     request: sources
     topic: archimedes lharc
     request: end

or replace lharc by the word 'index' for the catalogue.)

 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul

No trouble.
AlexMC

(ex alm@doc.ic.ac.uk)
 
>
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Subject: Assembler/forth for ARM RISC chip???
From: chergr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:35:32 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University 

I'm investigating the ARM risc processor as a possible microcontroller. I think
I can use it without all those support chips. The question is is there
cross-assembler or source for an assembler out there somewhere. In addition
has someone written a forth for the chip??

Thanks in advance Richard Rothwell
From: dhmyrdal@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Dag H}kon Myrdal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: variables (was: Re: Finding the CSD)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:45:49 GMT
Organization: ProgramVareVerkstedet - UNIT
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In article <1992Dec16.191701.1@vxdesy.desy.de> burke@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>I have a question - is it possible to append to a macro variable? E.g.:
[various examples]
>SetMacro foo <foo>,<thing> gives you infinite recursion, while
>Set foo <foo>,<thing> stops it being a macro. I think it's impossible (without

I think that the following should work:
*set tmp <foo>
*setmacro <foo> <tmp> <thing>
*unset tmp
But I have to admit that I have not tried it... :-)


--Dag

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From: mybg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M Y Ben Gershon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Finding the CSD
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:51:17 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
-gilbertd@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (David Alan Gilbert) writes:
-
-- There are some environment variables under RO3.1 which seem to have most
-- of what is needed.  One holds the current filing system name, and there
-- is one per file system holding its present directory.
-- What is needed is for someone to work out how to expand one variable
-- and use it as part of the name for the second one.
-
-   Easy. Try this :-
-
-Set My$CSD <FileSwitch$<FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>$CSD>
-
-   I am fairly sure this works. (Assuming I have the variable names right of
-course.)
-
-    Philip

I couldn't get this to work.  Has anyone else had any luck with it?

Michael
From: gst@dcs.ed.ac.uk (George Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: ObjAsm: Conditional includes
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:52:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Ah, good someone else who realises this problem actually exists.

I haven't found any way round this yet, I've just setup my headers carefully
and included them once and only once in the 's' file in the correct order.

Perhaps write a tool which handle #include directives and ignores everything
else?


-- 
George
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From: andy@laguna.santafe.edu (Andy Mell)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 00:44:08 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

In article <BzGryI.74s@cen.ex.ac.uk> CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham) writes:

>business as I found out the other day helping a colleague.  Added to
>that the Acorn ethernet III boards are almost, but not quite identical
>to the Atomwide ones.

Really? In what way are they different? I always thought they were exactly
the same, and even share the same RisciX device driver.

A



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From: pdenize@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Help! Possible bug in Acorn Desktop C
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:48:01 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <Byqso3.9Ip@bailgate.gpsemi.com>, medgewor@lincoln.gpsemi.com (Mark Edgeworth) writes:
> I am attempting to use the Acorn Desktop C debugger to debug a 
> piece of C code.  After compiling and linking the code with debug 
> switches on, I double click on the executable icon.  The debugger 
> takes over the display, produces a crash report and tells me to 
> contact Acorn.  (I've done this but they appear to be completely 
> uninterested).

They were uninterested ? And you were surprised ?

I find the easiest way or getting a message like contact Acorn is
to enter the debugger then go to lunch.  By the time you get back it
is usually plastered across the screen.  I think its a feature so that 
you wont strain yourself debugging for long periods.

> Any ideas? Thanks.

Yes compare the phrases "Software Engineering" and "Program Hackers" in 
your favourite Software Engineering Book.

I think we could almost make a new dictionary entry

Acorn:  A company that should know better ...


Paul Denize

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From: fj_maddi@csd.uwe.ac.uk (FJ Maddix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: SCSI & CD-ROM
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:59:10 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Well, whatever you do, steer clear of the Cumana kit.
Their SCSI card doesn't even drive their own drive on an A5000.
Seems to work fine on Oak and Morley cards, and I have a Morley card
at home. It's very fast and reliable.

Frank.
From: CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: TCP/IP (nfs)
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:05:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <Bz000E.3rt@cen.ex.ac.uk> MMBCorle@cen.ex.ac.uk (Martin Corley) writes:

> I've just installed TCP/IP / Atomwide series III card / A5000, and
> it's working _fine_, apart from 1 small niggle:
>
> When moving a directory _back_ from my NFS filespace to ADFS, I get a
> constant "already exists" warning from the filer -- for directories
> and application directories _only_.

Very strange - it doesn't happen with Acorn Ethernet I, A5000 and
RISC OS 3.0 - I just tried to be certain too.  It seems that there
slightly different versions of the Internet module in circulation
and you need to get the right one for your system.  I think that the
Atomwide card needs Internet 1.05 plus a couple of other little modules
to make it go.

--Christopher.                             C.D.Latham@exeter.ac.uk
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From: derijkp@reks.uia.ac.be (Peter De Rijk)
Subject: Re: Programming Artworks?
Organization: U.I.A.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:32:17 GMT

Torben AEgidius Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk) wrote:
: 
: If you only need to manipulate the tree structures, and no other fancy
: objects it may be easier to make your own program from scratch that
: just uses the Draw/Artworks data format and calls the module for
: display. I have made programs that generate Draw format and have used
: the Draw module for display. The hard part may be to program the
: interactive manipulation part. I think something as fundamental as
: selecting and grouping objects may be exceedingly difficult to change
: in Artworks. I think the Artworks extensions are intended for adding
: new kinds of objects and new transformations on existing objects.
: 
: 	Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
I would also like to be able to do things like printing, adding text, adding
extra lines, etc. I could either make a program that does it all, but this
would take too much of my time (I really don't want to rewrite Draw or 
Artworks.) , or I could make a program to edit the structures, and import them 
to Draw afterwards, but I would loose the "special features" during the process.

Come to think of it, the "dynamic grouping" could be implemented in general
way which could be usefull to more people. Following scheme would solve my 
problem (a part of it), and would be usefull to anyone working on drawings 
having a treelike structure. You can create a "link" from one object to 
another. When an object is selected, the program would check whether it has 
links. If it has, select all dependend objects. Do this recursively. Group all
selected objects, or treat them as a group.

I really don't know whether all this is feasible, but that's why I ask.

Peter
From: tjh@praxis.co.uk (Tim Huckvale)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: C compiler summary
Summary: Summary of C compiler recommendations
Keywords: A3000 C compiler wanted
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:16:01 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Bath, U.K.

Many thanks to all those who replied to my request for recommendations for
a C compiler for my son on his A3000.

He has written this summary.  Having weighed up his desires against my
budget, he's come to a possibly surprising conclusion.

======================================================================

Beebug C
--------

Good-
    Cheap
    Runs on small machines
    Good for learning C / dabbling

Bad-
    Bug-Ridden
    Not completely ANSI
    Not Supported any longer?
    Risc User concentrates on Desktop C


Acorn C
-------
     
Good-
    Nice Debugger
    DDE
    Compiles ANSI or PCC style C
    'Free' DDE Pascal
    Full-time development team
    Well used
    For serious use - academic / money-earning
    Risc User concentrates on Desktop C

Bad-
    Expensive
    Needs 2mb+ memory / hard disk


Overall
-------

Don't buy Beebug C
Get a Hard Disk - 40Mb+
Get the Programmers Reference Manuals


Conclusion
----------

We are now buying the HCCS Vision Digitiser and a 20Mb IDE HD [assuming
Watford Electronics ever answer their phone - TJH].

I intend to buy Acorn C in a couple of years when I want to write 'serious'
desktop apps.

--
Magnus Huckvale

-- 
Tim H
"You've got to spread joy up to the maximum, bring gloom down to the
minimum.  Have faith, or pandemonium liable to walk upon the scene."
Bing Crosby (and The Andrews Sisters).
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From: burke@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: *Title (was: the Wimp_Poll blues)
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:49:18 GMT

In article <Bz3x8B.B4z@cen.ex.ac.uk>, CDLatham@cen.ex.ac.uk (C.D.Latham) writes:
> Use of *Title was depreciated under Arthur (I can't remember why now!)

I think it was just because it didn't do anything useful (it was a hangover
from DFS!), and to avoid confusion with disc names. I guess Acorn never
thought about using it in the filer (but, as recent discussion has shown,
Acorn don't seem to have thought much about the Filer at all :-)

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From: derijkp@reks.uia.ac.be (Peter De Rijk)
Subject: Re: Improved filer
Organization: U.I.A.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:44:57 GMT

David Alan Gilbert (gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
: In <1992Dec15.131442.22909@reks.uia.ac.be> derijkp@reks.uia.ac.be (Peter De Rijk) writes:
: 
: <stuff deleted>
: 
: >Key shortcuts would be very handy. I believe this has been suggested allready by
: >someone. I think it would indeed be easiest to have the same conventions as
: >used in other RISC OS programs.
: > i.e. ^C copy
: >      ^V move
: >      ^Z clear selection
: >      ^X delete (preferably with a confirmation, something like : 
: >                     Are you sure you want to delete all those files? )
: >      ^E rename (edit name)
: >  and maybe some others.
: 
: >A wildcard (^W ?) select would be nice. And some kind of name translation as
: >well.
: 
: This brings up an interesting point - how are you going
: to do hotkeys for a window which doesnt normaly have the
: input focus - I have the same problem at the moment.  I know
: I can put a grab keys window at the back and things like that,
: but if everything did that every key would be used multiply.
: 
: >Peter
: 
: Dave
: --
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: - David Alan Gilbert - gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk - G7FHJ@GB7CRG                   -
: ------(Programmers don't sleep - they just park their heads)-------------------
This is indeed a problem, partly. Most shortcuts only have to be "grabbed" 
when one or more files are selected. Otherwise the key can be passed on to 
other applications. ^W to select files does indeed pose this problem. Well,
maybe make of that one a menu item.

Peter

PS: How about using ^I to get an infobox on the selected files.
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From: vulch@kernow.demon.co.uk (Anthony Frost)
Reply-To: vulch@kernow.demon.co.uk
Subject: Arc QWK Reader
Organization: VCS Kernow
X-Mailer: ReaderS for the Acorn Archimedes
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:51:36 +0000

 
  > Lachlan Arnott <larnott@jabaru.cec.edu.au> has asked me if I
  > know of any QWK quick-packet offline readers for the
  > Archimedes. 
 
ReaderS will cope with QWK, ArcBBS, Cix, Usenet via Cix and DIS, TGold, and
some flavours of Silver XPress (although I don't distribute the SX bit any
more due to problems). It ain't free though... :-)
 
         Anthony
From: mckay_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: adfsbuffers
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:27:34 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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In article <1992Dec18.113330@informatik.uni-kl.de>,
m_sattle@informatik.uni-kl.de (Matthias Sattler) writes:
> What are adfsbuffers really good for?

They speed up ADFS random file accesses.
 
> They should speed up the (hard)disc access but in fact they don't.
> I tried many different tests (hd-speed tests, compiling c programs, ...)
> on the harddisc of my A540 (RO2) with adfsbuffers 0 and adfsbuffers 256k.
> EVERY test with adfsbuffers configured was slightly slower than the test
> without adfsbuffers.
> Hmmmmmm... funny isn't it?

Not really since the A540 has a SCSI harddisc so the size of ADFS buffers
shouldn't make ANY difference.

Rob.

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From: burke@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Vision Digitiser
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.184641.3377@cs.nott.ac.uk>, smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
> The Vision digitiser board is very sparsely populated, whilst the Rombo
> digitiser board is dense with chips and assorted logic.

As I understand it, the reason for this is that the HCCS board is basically
just an ADC, with all the video decoding done in software (quite a clever
piece of lateral thinking, IMHO). My impression from reading reviews is
certainly that the HCCS board is better. Can the Rombo one grab frames in
real time?

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From: dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Denis Howe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Find the root path under RiscOS 3.1
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:17:50
Organization: Computing Department, Imperial College, London, UK
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In-reply-to: coxjp@cs.man.ac.uk's message of 15 Dec 92 15:07:54 GMT

In article <COXJP.92Dec15150754@beluga.cs.man.ac.uk>
coxjp@cs.man.ac.uk (Jonathan Cox) wrote:

>Distribution: comp
Get your news software fixed!

>Some time ago somebody posted something about finding the URD or CSD
>from the fileswitch system variables under RiscOS 3.1.

Me and others.

>The only solution I can come up with is:-
>
>set r FileSwitch$<FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>$URD
>seteval r <r>
>set r <FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>:<r>
>
>Is there a better way?

I assume you could use Owen Smith's suggestion of OS_FSControl 37
(canonicalise name) on "$" for this.  If you want to do it all in CLI
commands then your solution is probably as good as my:

Set FS <FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>
SetEval CSD "<FS>:"+FileSwitch$<FS>$CSD

(or replace CSD with URD) though, as I said, the first line is not
necessary so you could do it in one (long) command.
--
Denis Howe <dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk>
So Biggs, you're the idiot who bought all these IBM PCs.  You're fired!
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From: zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI)
Subject: piping darkness into the wimp
Organization: User Help Desk, Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:38:27 GMT


Hi

Is there a idea for the following problem:

I use program for a interpreter, which should do Wimppolling.

If the interpreter fails (cause no memory left or the like), it prints a
message to vdu:

I want to catch such a message (the wimp will not show it) and a commandwindow
will not survive the initialisation of the wimp)

If i try to catch the message with a pipe    { > output }   the desktop 
goes dark (with a few icons) and the wimppoll will write into the file
and there is no multitasking

If i try to catch the message with spool, all actions in the wimp will 
logged into the outputfile (which may increase to big) (This will also
take time (especially on a diskette based system))

In my opinion, we need a errorstream (something like { 2> })

so long
MUFTI

ps: I use Riscos 2.0, the interpreter is iconx
From: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: adfsbuffers
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:34:02 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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In article <1gsjlvINN6p1@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, rap@nnsgs50.tcom.stc.co.uk (Richard Porter) writes:
[bits removed] 
> Well, it's interesting that you should say that, but it doesn't concur
> with my experience on an A5000. With ADFSbuffers set to 16 as in the
> supplied configuration I found that Acorn DTP fell over at the slightest
> excuse, particularly if you gave it anything difficult to do or didn't
> give it all the available gigabytes before you started. The cure for this
> was to set ADFSbuffers to 0.

   One assumes that you have patched Acorn DTP with the patch files supplied
on the support disc for RO3.1?

   It seems quite likely that failing to do this would result in the
instability you describe.

   And thinking along other lines someone on the net a little while ago was
bemoaning the loss of the international keyboard drivers that RO2 had. Again
I wonder if they have tried the IntKey module which claims to restore this
functionality to RO3 for those who need it. I can't say I have tried it much
myself but I assume it does what it is described to do.

   Come on people read the documentation...

Philip
From: mybg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M Y Ben Gershon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Finding the CSD
Date: 15 Dec 1992 11:03:39 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
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dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Denis Howe) writes:
-banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
-
--Set My$CSD <FileSwitch$<FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>$CSD>
-
-mybg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M Y Ben Gershon) replied:
-
--I couldn't get this to work.  Has anyone else had any luck with it?
-
--Nope. Nesting the variables doesn't work.
-
-Funnily enough, I've just done this.   After my success doing it under
-RISC OS 2, doing it under RO3 was just too easy (though still not as
-easy as you would expect).  From memory:
-
-Set FS <FileSwitch$CurrentFilingSystem>
-SetEval CSD "<FS>:"+FileSwitch$<FS>$CSD
-
-The first command is only necessary to make the second one fit on one
-line!  Who knows, maybe by RISC OS 4 they'll have got it down to one,
-easy to swallow, variable. :-)
-
-Anyone know a simpler way?
---
-Denis Howe <dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk>

I am sorry to disappoint you, but this does not work either!  It remains
constant and is not altered when the csd is changed.

Michael Ben-Gershon
mybg@doc.ic.ac.uk



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From: idg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Griffiths)
Subject: Re: BBC Fonts
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:17:33 GMT

In article <1g9q9tINNn93@oak4.doc.ic.ac.uk>, ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer) writes:
|> How can you load a set of BBC Fonts (say in your boot sequence)
|> without getting a teak window saying 'Press SPACE or press a mouse
|> button...'? (or without a task window at all).
|> 
|> The only way I've managed it so far is to pass the font file I want to
|> load to a Basic prorgram which starts up as a wimp task, *PRINTs the
|> font file, then closes itself down as a wimp task and quits - all very
|> messy.
|> 

The reason you cannot do this is of course the way that fonts are loaded.
The way you define fonts is to send stuff to the VDU stream, and any task
which does this makes the desktop decide that it wants to output (not
unreasonable since it has just generated some output...) so it gives it
a window in which to do this.  So the only approach is that which you
suggest above.

Ian Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: s2105995@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Andrew Karl Davis)
Subject: Archimedes BinkleyTerm 2.09
Reply-To: s2105995@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Andrew Karl Davis)
Organization: Ban the Mac Society, Aust ltd.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:08:24 GMT

Umm, has anyone got 2.09?
Could they please put it on an ftp site ASAP please?
Ta
RiscMan
(.sig is on holiday)