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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:30:26 GMT

HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>In <kitchel.725139442@manta> kitchel@manta.dpsi.com writes:

>> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:

> [Dave can't see why Seminoles is seen as degrading, although he can see
> [ why Redskins would be.  Notes that the Seminoles of Florida have no problems
> [with the name and have made the mascots costume.  Suggests drawing animal 
> [names out of a hat, tongue firmly in cheek at this point.]

>> 	It's not a matter of your opinion, Dave, or the opinion of the
>> FSU AD about the appropriateness of the name. It is a matter of the
>> Indians' opinion.
>[deletion]
>> 	I used to have an opinion close to yours but I have reformed.
>> There is absolutely no defense for "Redskins" and damned little for
>> "Seminole", if the Seminoles object.

>  But that's just it, Sid.  The American Indians in question, the Seminoles of
>Florida, don't mind.  They seem to like it.  But their fellow American Indians,
>who of course know what's good for the Seminoles of Florida, want to have
>their little protest anyway.  Sounds awfully paternalistic and patronizing to
>me--like the Seminoles of Florida need their wise brothers to make their
>decisions for them.  I think not.  Re-read Dave's post, I think you missed 
>something.

	Well, Jim, I was expecting a goober to walk into this one, but
to be an aggie too! There has been NO evidence presented in this group
about the opinion of the Seminole people. A couple of times over the
last two years the claim has been made that one of the Seminole chiefs
in Florida says it is OK. But I have heard nothing about the Seminoles
as a group. The original posting claims that a goup of Seminoles in
Oklahoma do not appreciate it. I'd like to know more about a consensus
if it exists.
					soONEr bred!!!,
					(for the record I
					 consider myself a
					 crypto FSU supporter!)
					           --Sid
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re: Big East Bowl Preview)
Keywords: Ralphie
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:01:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.215122.12038@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>A real brouhaha brewing at the Fiesta Bowl is the attempt by the bowl to
>keep Colorado's famous mascot Ralphie from doing her traditional romp
>around the field before each half starts.  So far, one official has
>claimed that it's an issue of public safety, saying [and I paraphrase]
>"just one wrong turn and it could be a very dangerous situation."

I don't think it's a wrong "turn" they're worried about, at least not
by the buffalo.  What they're worried about is a wrong turn by a bowl
official stepping in some, errr, let's say, evidence that Ralphie had
been there.  Do the trainers have a buffalo-pooper-scooper for such
emergencies?  I know at UT they just let the cow crap all over the
field :) :)

>Others have apparently raised the question of whether the natural field
>at Arizona State's field would be damaged.

Should make the grass grow a little better, don't you think?
>

P.S.  Good thing Ralphie is a "she", or Joe P might have to
castrate a buffalo before the game.  But this would probably violate some
kind of endangered species act and would definitely be reported 
by the Dallas Morning News.

Paul (better wear your boots to the game) Conditt

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Trivia Answers
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 03:32:13 GMT

In article <=0n2b_k@rpi.edu>, kollur@jec320.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
wrote:

> Bonus Question: Who has the *newest* on-campus stadium of all Div 1A schools?

Syracuse and the Carrier Dome?

James
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From: kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: trivia
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:15:17 GMT

In article <78689@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu wrote:
>
>}Mississippi State's football guide for 1992 lists Scott
>}Field as hosting its first football game in 1914.  This
>}appears to be older than Grant Field.
>
>The first football game played at Grant Field was actually in 1902.
>The date in 1917 is when the first permanent part of the stadium
>opened (which I assume means that previous games were played in
>front of crowds just standing around watching or maybe in front
>of temporary type bleachers.)  So the question - not that any of this 
>truly matters - is when was the first permanent stadium was built
>at Scott Field?
1920 according to the sports almanac I have

Ramana

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: chu@mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Stadium Survey
Reply-To: chu@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:16:15 GMT

In article <1JAN199300341388@utkvx2.utk.edu> applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core,  
Andrew) writes:

> Anyway, Neyland Stadium allows no drinking, which may come as a surprise to
> anyone who has bee to a game.  And no smoking starting next year.
> 
> I wish they'd close off the north end - that would surely add another 15,000
> seats.
> _
> Go Vols!
> Andrew Core
> applcore@utkvx.utk.edu

So what's the deal with Neyland Stadium?  They were supposed to close
off that north end a long time ago.  Insufficient funds?  I think UT
could easily fill up a 120,000 seat stadium.

                                 -- Bill

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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Big East Bowl Preview
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:34:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.152434.2883@walter.bellcore.com>, lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec22.045259.3819@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
|> >
|> >Well, the Big East might not be in the category of the allmighty Big Eight
|> >conference, but it's teams are a lot more exciting to watch than those
|> >from the Astroturf league.
|> 
|> Does the Big East have any true-grass fields left?
|> 
|> Pitt, Syracuse, Temple, WVU - have Astroturf
|> next year Rutgers plays all home games at the Meadowlands (Astroturf)
|> Miami and Rutgers (after 1993) have PAT
|> 
|> That leave Virginia Tech and BC (I'm not sure what surface these two have).

Virginia Tech plays on true-grass, and BC plays on the fake stuff.  

|> John L

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Subject: Re: Heisman
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 19:49:14 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:

> In article <1992Dec16.140126.11961@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.co
> >Everyone says Faulk played in the WAC and that made his stats even better.
> >Well, Torretta played in the Big Easy.  Those games sure didn't hurt his
> >stats, other than the one team in that conference that provided some
> >competition, Syracuse.
> 
> Which is more than say, all of WAC, at least in terms of defense?
> 

     Well, that's essentially crap, because most schools don't have to 
put up with the sophisticated offenses you see out here in the west.  If 
they did, you'd see their defensive stats go right through the roof.

-Bob

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From: kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: Trivia Answers
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:11:50 GMT

In article <1h4m0dINNlco@rave.larc.nasa.gov> Jeff Singleton <j.d.singleton@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>Subject: Re: Trivia Answers
>From: Ramana Kolluri, kollur@jec320.its.rpi.edu
>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:40:23 GMT
>In article <=0n2b_k@rpi.edu> Ramana Kolluri, kollur@jec320.its.rpi.edu
>writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.183133.25006@b11.b11.ingr.com>
>jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>>>The answers to my trivia Questions:
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.  Who has the oldest on campus stadium (I don't know the answer)?
>>>
>>>  Still don't know.  Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kyle Field and Notre Dame's
>have been
>>>  mentioned.  Only Kyle Field has been presented with proof to back up
>their
>>>  claim.
>>
>>I remember looking this up in a sports alamanac and Georgia Tech (1917)
>>seemed like the oldest around atleast for Div I A schools. 
>>
>>Bonus Question: Who has the *newest* on-campus stadium of all Div 1A
>schools?
>>
>>Ramana
>>
>
>
>     Well, Mountaineer Field at WVU opened in 1980.  Technically, it is
>on-campus,
>  though it's not on the main campus in Morgantown.  For the curious,
>it's on the
>  Evansdale (Med Center) campus.  If your not limiting it to football
>stadiums, then
>  I would think the Dean Dome could be the newest, or maybe the new
>UMASS!!!
>  facility.
>
>
>     jeff singleton

Cal St- Fullerton's Titan stadium  was built in 1992 according to
the 1993 information please sports almanac. Vandelbilt stadium
was built in 1981.
Ramana
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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: The *SUN* Bowl
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:17:39 GMT

	The SUN Bowl...
	Baylor 20  Arizona 15

	Arizona passed and passed and PASSED and in between ran it
	up the middle for not much until I was thoroughly
	*bored* with the only 2 plays their offense seemed to know.  
	Arizona's running game was nowhere to be found.
	At the start I was impartial, but by the end I was rather 
	glad Baylor won.  Suprised, too as Baylor's defense was on
	the field most of the game.  *When* it was working properly
	Baylor's stacked I was pretty to watch, but Arizona's defensive
	line was in control and forced JJJoe to pass - which he did 
	poorly.  Arizona did everything on both sides of the ball
	*except* put the ball in the end-zone - a feat they seldom
	accomplished during the regular season, as well.  Congratulations
	to Baylor who did just what it took to win this game.
Go Underdogs!
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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tax 'em Aggies...
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:03:16 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 1h9r0fINN99u@menudo.uh.edu, HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>   Don't go assuming we're guilty.  I know you didn't like it when folks were
> doing the same to U-Dub.

What ?   No double standards ?   THat is what rsf.c is all about.

Next thing you will say is there are no personal attacks,  no woofing, ....


Merry Christmas.....

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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bledsoe to announce decision tomorrow
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:27:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan4.022741.4460
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

Washington State QB Drew Bledsoe and coach Mike Price have called a
press conference for tomorrow (1/4/93) to announce Bledsoe's decision
about whether or not to declare himself eligible for the upcoming NFL
draft.  

Jim
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From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Husker Chances??
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:35:57 GMT

Well, here it is 4 days to the Florida State -v- Nebraska game and not one
post speculating on the Huskers chance to end the dreaded bowl drought!!
I guess I'll have to volunteer my humble opinion on the matter...

Believe it or not this is the first year that I can recall that EVERYONE
(including Nebraska fans) are predicting another Husker slaughter in the 
Orange Bowl.  Last years shutout loss still burns in the heart of Husker fans.

However, I just can't let myself give up on my team so easily!!

So, what does Nebraska have to do to win?

First, the defense will have to play at the level as against Colorado (or a
level higher).  It is imperative to contain FSU's Ward and make him throw the
ball without giving the long pass plays.  This means the Huskers not only 
have to contain Ward, but must be in his face within 4 seconds on almost every
play.  Nebraska's defense has the speed to do this... However, I must admit I 
don't know how good FSU's O. line is. Nebraska will have to play some man to
man to get the number of bodies needed to get the pressure.  No doubt Nebraska
secondary will get quite a workout!!  I think the Huskers will have to be 
atleast +3 in turnovers for a Husker win.

Second, the offense will have to be in sync and hit on all cylinders.  Last
year Miami made NU look inept with a great defense.  However, I think this 
years Offensive line is much better than last years.  NU should be able to move 
the ball some on the ground. But, to win, NU will have to gain some respect 
passing the ball to keep FSU from stacking up on the line.  To get this 
the Huskers will have to connect on long pass plays relatively early in the
game.  3 or 4 pass plays of 20 yards or longer, with 1 passing T.D. should do
the trick.  Tommie Frazier has the ability to do this, but ofcourse the NU 
will have to give him some time.  An added element will have to be that when
no one is open downfield Tommie must be able to run for some yards.

Finally, the we backs will have to get about 200 yards rushing collectively.

That's it!! I must admit I wish we were playing Notre Dame.  Maybe next year!
Still, come game day I will be sitting in front of my tube and hoping the 
Huskers can pull out a win.  One advantage NU may have is that FSU's 
disapointment about playing the Huskers may culminate in a lacksidasical
effort in practice.  NU is good, maybe not great yet, but FSU better be ready
to play some smash mouth football!!!

GO BIG RED!!!!!!!

                                                Joe Citro III
                                                
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From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Subject: Re: WAC wins another big one
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:20:57 GMT


In article <15278.2b42529b@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes...
>It's a final:
> 
>Hawaii 27, Illinois 10
> 
>Put another feather in the WAC cap, this time beating a decent Big-10
>school :O
> 
> 
>-Garrett
> 
> 

This is the Illinois team that has lost their last 3 bowl games and 5 of
their last 6, right?  I wouldn't brag too much about a win over them(or
any other Big 10/11 team for that matter...).



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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Who woulda thunk it?!??!!!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:14:35 GMT

In article <78941@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (The Corinthian) writes:
>
>34-13 BAMA!!!!!
>ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!!
>1992 National Champs!!!!!!!!
>

My congratulations to coach Stallings and his team.  The Bear would be
proud of them.

I didn't see the game, but by the score, 'Bama must have tromped those
Canes and tamed them.     

Finally, a 1-2 matchup.  Too bad the Cotton Bowl wimped out with Florida
State against Texas A&M for the 3-4 matchup.

Dave

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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Copper Bowl: Cougs ready?
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:54:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Dec29.080318.21995@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>Whatever.  Maybe they know what they're doing... I hope so.  In spite of my
>concerns, here is my optimistic Copper Bowl Eve prediction:
>
>  Utah  17
>  WSU   37

I think it will be more like

  Utah 14
  WSU  44

>Any comments on how the whole situation looks from down there, Dave?

I was out of town and only got back last Sunday, but I gather that
there hasn't been that much Copper Bowl coverage here.  And the
papers from Sunday on through today have been pretty dissapointing.

They have talked about the Cougars relaxing here, which was what
I read last week in the Seattle and Spokane papers.  Mike Price
(WSU coach) said that he wanted this thing to be a reward for
the players and not seen as a stepping stone for the program.
I think he has the right attitude.  The players are having a
ball (2 hours of practice (including films??), 
then the rest of the day for golf,
horseback riding, etc.) and it is the players that actually
do most of the recruiting work through word of mouth.  And they
certainly deserve it, too.  I'm sure that they are getting very
serious about the game now, and I'm not worried about them
``Couging it.''  We Cougar fans are not used to WSU having a
defense, and don't always fully realize that we now have two
ways to win any game: with the offense or with the defense!

So I think the Cougs will do well.   If the Utes can give
their QB good protection (doubtful) then it might be close.
Of course, if the Utes pull of a big upset or even come close
Mike Price will get a huge barrage of criticism (but not from me).

Finally, the weather may be a factor.  It started raining
I think Sunday night or so, and it has been raining of and
on since then.  I went for a walk at noon MST (kickoff-6 hours)
and there was no rain now or probably not for at least a few
hours, but there were some black clouds.  The weathermen say
that later in the afternoon rain, possibly heavy, will start,
and the game should have a lot of rain.  I think this would
help WSU, since we have the #1 rusher in the Pac10 in Shaumbe
Wright-Faire.  People might be tempted to draw conclusions
with how well WSU adapted (and Bledsoe passed) in the snow
in the UW-WSU game.  I think this is not germane, though,
since (I read) the snow was dry and Bledsoe said it was not
that big of a deal to throw in.  Rain, especially heavy, might
be quite different.
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From: kwt7451@zeus.tamu.edu (TRAPP, KEVIN W)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Texas A&M verbal commits
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:45 CST
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Keywords: Texas A&M

	Texas A&M received its third verbal commitment on Tuesday from
one of the state's top offensive lineman.  Chris Ruhman (6-7,280) of
Aldine Nimitz chose A&M over Notre Dame and Syracuse.  Feb. 3 is the day
when official letters of intent can be signed.  Ruhman joins DL Bryan
Johnson of Jersey Village and DE Curtis Mickey of FW Western Hills as
verbal commitments to A&M.  It's nice to see that these allegations
haven't affected recruitment.  Unfortunately A&M only has 8 scholarships
to give out.  Let's hope that they are all blue chip prospects.

Kevin Trapp - Class of '93
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From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: A PAC-10 fan in depression
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<1993Jan2.170527.9361@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:42:39 GMT

In article <1i5dnbINNln8@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

   Larry Smith was not fired because of Fresno State.  Alumni have been
   pressuring for Smith firing for the past two years now.  Stats can
   be mis-leading.  When you look at Larry Smith's record over 6 years
   at USC, it doesn't look bad at all.  But you really have to look
   more carefully.  Look at the last 3 years compared to the first 3.

   Larry Smith inherited a great team led by a great team leader, 
   Rodney Peete.  Several great players on those teams, such as
   Mark Carrier and Junior Seau, have gone on to excel in the pros.

   The last three years are teams that Smith recruited.  Look at
   that record!  17-17-1.  The last 2 years are particularly bad.

   In today's LA Times, Smith was quoted as saying something about
   its not what you did 4 or 5 years ago, but what have you done
   lately.  But what Smith accomplished 4 or 5 years ago was done
   without his recruits.

   Alumni are upset that Smith has turned off a large number of
   potential stars.  Washington has more players from California
   than USC.  Know why?

   Smith had one HUGE supporter on campus....the Athletic Director,
   McGee.  But McGee announced his resignation earlier this year
   and with him going, Smith's support on campus really dwindled.

   So don't look at the Freedom Bowl and the embarassing loss to
   Fresno State as the reason Smith was fired (officially, Smith
   resigned, but he was asked to leave by McGee, who in turn, was
   asked to ask by Sample--school president).  Smith would have
   been gone even if USC had defeated Fresno State.

well, fresno state may not have been the reason that smith got fired, but it
was obviously the straw that broke the camel's back.  some sc official said
before the freedom bowl the bowl game was the only way fresno state could be
playing sc, because the trojans would *never* schedule fsu for a regular
season game.  sc obviously expected to beat fsu, and when they got their
noses rubbed in it (following season ending losses to a below average ucla
team and then the nth loss in a row to the irish), someone had to pay the
price.

-johndoe