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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:27:57 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <66888@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear People: In regards to the question of frequency and consistency
>it is my opinion that it can be explained by using the colors of the 
>rainbow.  Red in the lowest which is hate, lust and etc. Not in order 
>you come to blue which is when you are in a blue downcast mood. Purple
>is good and high. Gold and white is the best and highest which are true
>love. These colors come through in the aura and the frequency of a person
>in the color of the aura. The higher the frequency of your aura is the 
>higher evolved you are. In most cases the finer the consistency of a 
>being the higher the developement of that being.  It appear that some
>people are now picking up my spirit at other times other than when we
>are having the experiments. My spirit seem to do that without my 
>concious mind being aware of it. Tonight is OOBE Wednesday. John Winston.

John - ok, so frequency & consistency are somehow indicated by the
color of an 'aura'.  Is there a method of evaluating an aura other
than with the naked eye?  Ie, is there any independant confirmation of
the existence of auras?

I've read of some controlled experiments regarding auras, and they
always seem to indicate that auras are a figment of the perceiver's
imagination, and have no objective reality.  Do you have any evidence
to the contrary?

	RA

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 92 07:15:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67067@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: The council that was held to change the bible was called 
The Council of Nice. The word is spelled Nice but it is pronounced
Nicea. Today is saturday and Lord willing I'll be taking off for Mt.
Shasta in an hour or two. I wish that you all could take a drink from
the 120 feet deep well that is on our property, it's really taste good.
It would also be good if you could look up at the stars at night and 
see the sky from an altitude of 4,490 feet. You can see more stars 
than you ever dreamed possible. See  you on about tuesday.
John Winston.
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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology
In-reply-to: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com's message of Thu,  1 Oct 92 06:49:23 PDT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<1992Sep25.175939.15686@tellab5.tellabs.com> <Bv6411.KIv@world.std.com>
	<66981@cup.portal.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:21:58 EDT

In article <66981@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dear Folks: Some people may like to call this the end times and that
>is OK, because it is the end of the age. The bible says that Jesus
>said I'll be with you to the end of the world, and it did say this
>in the King James version of the bible but in the original text it
>says, I will be with you to the end of the age. We're just getting 
>started folks, hold on to your hats. It may get a little bumpy before
>we get to smooth sailing.
>John Winston.

Is that why our data acquisition computer keeps crashing?

--
- Rich Holmes
"In general, the dance music of P.D.Q. Bach -- although we have no
 documentary evidence of this -- suggests that one of his legs was
 shorter than the other." -- Prof. Peter Schickele
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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 14:22:47 PST
From: <RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
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 <66617@cup.portal.com> <28SEP199209052567@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov>

In article <28SEP199209052567@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov>, redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov
(Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations) says:
>
>In article <66617@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>>Subject: Baby Talk.
>
>(stuff deleted)
>
>>  This last week I saw where Sara Inserra has started talking at 20 minutes
>>old. The first thing that she said was to tell the nurse to take her to her
>>mother because she wanted to give her a message from her grandmother (Nana).
>>She told her that her mother, who died three years ago, wanted to assure her
>>she was all right and that she would be waiting for her and her husband when
>>their time comes.  Sara told them the following information about heaven; It
>>is a wonderful place, a lot like Earth, but with perfect weather.   There
>>are hills and mountains, meadows and gardens, lakes and oceans, and you can
>>live wherever you want. Everyone loves one another and there is harmony
>>everywhere. happiness is eternal. And God is everywhere, doing whatever it
>>takes to make you happy.  It is the happiest moment of your life expanded
>>for ever and ever.
>
>(stuff deleted)
>
>Hey John,
>
>For months now you've been posting stuff about your former lives and all your
>"Mentors'" series of lives, etc.  Now, you are saying that people die and go
>to heaven?  What, do some of us get lucky the first time around and end up
>in heaven after just one terrestial trip and others have to go 'round and
>'round a few times with the reincarnation thing?  I'm truly confused.
>
>Dale
>
>(on my first life)
>

Ah! the "truth" is , that you don't get to stay in Heaven permanently. You have
 to come back to this or another planet to get  a chance to fulfil your desires
. You can stay permanently when you don't have any material desires left. But f
or a religious person "Heaven" is the presence of God and that has nothing to d
o with nice weather etc.etc.

May the God of peace visit you and abide in your heart forever.

rajagopalan
From: harrism@aquila.rtp.dg.com (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: harrism@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <66451@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Dear All: Please be careful as to what you read here because you to 
|> think, at least I hope so.
|> John Winston.

	Perhaps you will too. Some day.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:08:52 GMT

Stephen Anderson (sma@waikato.ac.nz) wrote:

: Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life.  No-one comes to the father
: but by me.

Hmmm...he most certainly did NOT say that!  Jesus didn't speak English,
remember?  The most probable translation of this passage might be "My way is the
only way to the Father".  Try that one on for size, since it more closely fits
the teachings of Christ.  He never solicited worship, tribute, or any of that
stuff you would expect God-in-the-flesh to solicit.

: Also, what evidence have you that this messiah that the Jews thought was coming 
: was the one fortold?  Or did the Jews just think a saviour would save them from
: what they wanted to be saved from (the Romans).

The Jews were promised a Messiah, a savior, in (among other places) Daniel and
Isiah.  Isaiah (shit, I never can get that spelling right) gets quite specific
in appearance, too...
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:06:41 GMT

In article <67067@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>1>+_
>
>Subject: Dolphin Spills The Beans.
[ rejected Flipper script rerouted to /dev/null ]

OK, John.  This one's pretty bad - even the Sun coulda faked up something 
better!  Try harder...


kbq

--
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                                    | {mtzinu,pacbell,ll-winken,sun}!ingres.com
My opinions are my own.  Should you think otherwise, think again.
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From: waddell@firnvx.firn.edu (Kathy Waddell)
Subject: Re: Lots of questions
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Distribution:  world
Date: 25 SEP 92 14:35:37    

In article <1992Sep25.173440.22737@cs.mcgill.ca>, jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca 
(Jeffrey CHANCE) writes...
>...

The main point, I think, that defines newage (which Jeff did not include) is
that this new age isn't here yet but that we are raising our consciousness
to prepare for it.  Many prophets, historcal and more recent, have fortold
of the rebirth of the earth by "fire" which will bring about a new age.  I
think this rebirth is soon (in our lifetime, if we are lucky) and that this 
message is being received or re-emphazied by many groups at this time so
that we can prepare for it.  

To prepare for it learn to meditate and thereby raise your consciousness.
Learn to listen to your inner voice of guidence.  There are many paths that
can lead you to your "higher" self and spirituallity.  You must find the
one that suits you.

I would not exclude Christians, some are preparing spiritually for events 
as fortold in Revelations.  I attended a Pentacostal Christian church for a
time and they refered to it as "rapture", although they may not identify 
this with the new age :-)  There is a Christian group here in Florida that I 
have heard of who are preparing for the "event" spiritually and practically.  
They also perform healings by laying on of hands.

The "hippie" movement of the 60's in part, was a becoming aware of the inner,
through drugs and then spiriual paths, and of the outer (earth) - living off 
the land, natural food and products, etc. and a learning to live in co-
operation with others.  I think this brought about a change in the global
culture to allow non-traditional life-styles to be more readily accepted,
including non-traditional spiritual paths.

Have fun!      

          =-Kathy->                           waddell@firnvx.firn.edu 
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From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Lots of questions
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:08:06 EST

In article <1992Sep25.173440.22737@cs.mcgill.ca>, jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) writes:
> Hi there.
> I identify with your questions as well. I feel the "new age"
> is quite a loose term, but I more or less have my own definition of
> it. I don't really consider myself a new-age person, my own 
> personal inclination is more toward traditional yoga/meditation
> without any real what you might call "fascinating" activities.
> Anyways, I hope my answers can be of some help.
> 
> 
> 
> 1)	Evolution/history of New Age
> 	- Who founded (if any) New Age
> 	- Why
> 	- Historical overview
> 

The "new age" was essentially started by Madame Blatavsky (sp?) in the late
1800's.  Why?  Money, what else?

GXKambic
standard $$$$ disclaimer

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:42:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Portal. Part 5.
It is supposed to look like a big shaft sticking out the side of a hill 200 
feet up the side of the hill.  This is said to be due west of Sedalia, 
Wyoming.  Another opening is on an Indian reservation in one of the southern 
states (probubly around New Mexico or Nevada).  It appears that these people 
used the trains to supply certain outposts that they had throughout this 
planet. 
  In checking out all of these things the people who were doing the 
investigating found out that they themselves were the present day physical 
people who had been born like anyone else on earth, but they had been the 
same people who had lived in these cities low those many years ago. 
  One of the things that they found was a room that had a front door and a 
back door. Inside this small room was a viewing screen with a lot of 
controls.  When they operated this device they could project themsleves back 
in time and if they stepped through the back door they could walk into that 
time period.  This investigting was done about the time of world war II or 
thereafter.  They called the device a portal machine.   It was also possible 
to stick your hand through the window of the back door and only your hand 
would be seen by the people of that time period. You could have sort of a 
hand writing on a wall with no body connected to the hand.  One of the 
people who loved to operate this device had sort of an impish personality 
and his name was Kilroy.
  In the last few minutes I received an idea from the intelligences that give 
me  my direction that I'm making a mistake and I'm explaing things in a way 
that my friends with similar backgrounds to myself will understand but other 
poople won't. They (the space people, spiritual people, temple masters and 
guardian angles) have suggested that I write thing down so that anybody can 
underatand it because people in the past have explained things in the only 
way they knew how.  The shepards would call their craft a star when Jesus 
was born.  In the old Testament they would call their craft flaming chariots 
and the american indians would call their craft flaming canoes. So please 
pardon me for insulting you people who don't understand my satirical way of 
saying things but I'll now try to say what the real menaning of what I have 
been saying.  Back in the Old Testament of the Christian and Jewish Bible it 
talks about a king or ruler having a big gathering and he was going to do 
something that was not too good.  He and the rest of the people then saw a 
hand with no body, writing on the wall, that warned them and told them what 
to do.  This really scarred them. They changed their way of thinking and 
things were much better after this happened. This is where we get the saying 
that a lot of people use "He saw the writing on the wall".
End Part 5.
John Winston.
From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: request for new age information
Summary: What is the "essence" of new age?
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:20:52 GMT
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              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.


I'm trying to find out what the "New Age" movement is all about.  What
are its origins and traditions?  Can someone suggest a good book?
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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Nicea and dogma etc.
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:09:31 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson) writes:

>The Thomist Church of India, which claims to have been founded by St.
>Thomas himself (as solid a claim as the Catholics' claim to St. Peter)
>has no notion of Trintity at all.

>If you want to look this up in the Encyclopedia, check out "Monophysite
>Controversy". Or even "Monophysite Heresy". That's what the Trinitarians
>(who won) called the other side. Their argument is that God is one, not
>three. 


  How true is it that the Monophysites were strongest in the Middle
East,  so when the Arabs conquered the area the people found it much 
easier to adopt Islam than people in the Balkans and Spain, where
trinitarianism was widely held?

  And if Monophsites were much more common in Palastine/Syria area 
does this have anything to do with the fact that this area was closer
to the original area of Jesus's first (ie Jewish) followers, who would
perhaps hold Jewish influenced beliefs rather than the Greek and Roman
influence beliefs which would be more popular outside this area?

   If the brothers of Jesus did dominate the Jerusalem Church at a time
when Paul dominated the area outside Syria/Palistine, then maybe this
would explain why many in that are did not adopt trinitarianism.
For it is probably easier for a complete stranger to believe someone is
a God than someone who grew up with them.
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From: waddell@firnvx.firn.edu (Kathy Waddell)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
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Date:  1 OCT 92 09:10:15    

In article <1992Sep30.192757.17590@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, 
      rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes...
> 
>I've read of some controlled experiments regarding auras, and they
>always seem to indicate that auras are a figment of the perceiver's
>imagination, and have no objective reality.  Do you have any evidence
>to the contrary?

I believe that Kirlean(sp?) photography takes pictures of auras.

Have fun!            =-Kathy->                  waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
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From: gorski@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Tom Gorski)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Heaven (was Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day)
Keywords: Heaven
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:40:39 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin

In article <1992Oct1.182744.19849@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
>
>
>Rajagopalan writes:
>
>		>you don't get to stay in Heaven permanently...
>		>"Heaven" is the presence of God..
>
>which provokes Tom into saying:
>
>		>Man, I'll have to bite on this one.
>
>		>A cute story to be sure, but how do you know this?  
>
>Well, when it comes to this kind of question, I can't resist biting either, 
>as I've got a copy of the book with all the answers to this kind of question. 
>YES. It's called "A Course In Miracles".

I find this very interesting!

I too have a copy of ACIM (although it's currently loaned out to
the Parish Priest), and the reading I get off of it, is that the only
*answer* in the course goes something like "the only answer lies within."
Not really an answer, just a vague pointer of sorts.

Hmmmm...since you have your copy nearby, maybe you'd be willing to try
something for me:

Somewhere in the workbook, in the first two-dozen lessons or so, is
a lesson which goes something like, "I do not know what anything means."
I would be very interested to hear what happens if you pick up and momentarily
do this lesson while you're reading the text, especially when you're reading
those sections which seem to give the exact answers you have in mind above.

Interested?  :-)


As for the rest of your posting about heaven and reincarnation, etc.,
it sounds very wonderful, but from where does it come and what does
it mean?  

Peace :-)

>Paul Milsom
>milsom@ntb.ch
>Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland

--Tom G.
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: New Lynn Andrews Book?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:44:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC



I've heard that a new Lynn Andrews book ("Shakkai: Woman of the Sacred
Garden") is being released imminently.  Has anyone seen it out yet?

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 19:26:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <66929@cup.portal.com> <66979@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: Well it seems that someone in Washington got blasted out of 
bed by a person that looked like me and said he was me. Maybe he was
me. This person at 11:19 tuesday the 29th of Sept. was sitting around
doing a little thinking when my presence came around him for about 
15 minutes. He then tried to contact me and nearly got blown out of bed.
Sorry about that. There must have been some purpose for it but the 
reason excapes me.
John Winston
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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:15:36 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Oct1.131518.28896@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
waddell@firnvx.firn.edu writes: 
[...]
>I believe that Kirlean(sp?) photography takes pictures of auras.
>
>Have fun!            =-Kathy->                  waddell@firnvx.firn.edu

Kathy - no, Kirlean photography takes pictures of EM fields.  

	RA

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 06:27:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <66929@cup.portal.com>

Dear Astral Flyers: It seems that my last posting about the history
of the earth got shot down towards the end by some flamer. I'll be on
the sides of Mt. Shasta this weekend so this will be a good time for 
you flamers to put your flame throwers in the shop for a little 
perventative maintenance. Gotta go to work now.
John Winston.
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Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:47:21 -0600
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In article <66888@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com wrote:
[...] In most cases the finer the consistency of a 
> being the higher the developement of that being.  It appear that some
> people are now picking up my spirit at other times other than when we
> are having the experiments. My spirit seem to do that without my 
> concious mind being aware of it.

Let us know when you begin to glow in the dark, John.  Cosmic, dude.
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