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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: Corvette's Passive Keyless Entry (PKE)
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 22:23:49 GMT

>PKE is "passive" in the sense that you don't have to push a button
>to lock/unlock the car. But the remote (the fob) contains a battery
>and transmits a signal indepently of whether or not it is in range of
>the car. The fob goes to sleep when there is no motion in order to
>conserve battery life.

There has to be something more than this, or else the fob's batteries
would die the first time you walked around a mall or shopping center.

I would think the car has to actively send out some sort of 'activation'
signal (since the car presumably has much more battery power), which
turns on the fob, which in turn responds with the 'unlock' code.

And what #$*% does fob mean?!??

Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dearnshaw@worldbank.org (Darrell Earnshaw)
Subject: Re: How To Drive the RIGHT way!
Organization: The World Bank
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:27:21 GMT

In article <Zyg4TB4w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>
>                   High Speed driving Tips, by Dan Reed
>                                 (Humor)


[humor deleted...]

Dan, You hit the nail right on the head - Perhaps these rules ought to be
enacted into Law, and be mandatory part of the Driving Test - hell, perhaps
they are!

Now, if we can only get rid of all the stick-shift cars and make everything
autopmatic as well as any car whose speedo exceeds the magic 55, we could all
be law-abiding appliance-operators. To hell with driving skills, they're just
an inconvenience!
From: fishback@cs.Buffalo.EDU (David Fishback)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Invoice price on '93 Civic LX 5-sp
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:32:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo / CEDAR Research Group
Originator: fishback@vindemiatrix.cs.buffalo.edu


Does anyone happen to have an Edmunds (or similar) new car price book handy 
who could e-mail me the invoice price on a '93 Honda Civic LX 5-speed, with
air conditioning.  Thanks.

Dave F.
(fishback@cs.buffalo.edu)
From: sinclair65@desci (John T. Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: BMW iX
Summary: Advice
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:44:46 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: desci

I will be graduating soon and am looking into buying a used
BMW. Being very picky when it comes to cars, a used car is all
I will be able to afford (though maybe the new probe?). The BMW
ix interests me. All I know about it is that it has 4-wheel, drive
ABS, and that it did not sell very well. How is its reliability record?
its performance? I would guess that it would be similiar to the 325i, 
but what are the major differences? I saw an 88 for sale for something like
$13,000. I would appreciate any info anybody has about used BMW's, though
mainly 325's.
thanks in advance,
Jack Sinclair
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:21:27 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <92317.145753KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The only Audi that uses the computer controlled cluch pack is the V8.

no, the 100 quattro automatic uses the same system as the v8.

>Isn't the Legacy with the automatic transmision the only Subaru with
>a conputer controlled AWD system?

no, the svx is also computer controlled.

>>not to turn off the differentials, mind you, but to turn off the differential
>>*locking*....

>In a AWD system implemented with a computer controlled clutch, when you turn
>off the locking you turn off the AWD system.  In effect your left with a
>freely spinning differential, like a conventional differential.

no.  it depends on where you put your CCC.  some cars use the CCC as
the center differential, others use it as a limited slip device.  on
the audi, the CCC is disconnected until slip occurs.  the car is
always in 4WD.  on the 959, the CCC acts as the center differential.
in fact, the 959 is rwd only at parking speeds when the CCC completely
disengages.  on the benz 4 matic system, it is rwd until the CCC
engages drive to the front wheels when slip occurs.

>>in effect you will have a "loosely coupled" 4wd 911, i.e a 911 in which the
>>four wheels can rotate independently under power.  The 4wd is permanent on
>>the carrera 4, you cannot disconnect it without doing major surgery.
>
>>since the differential locking is completely controlled by chips, it
>>would be interesting to see if anybody will come out with a third
>>party "handling" chip for the carrera 4.
>
>It would convert the AWD Carrera 4 into 2 wheel drive, so you might as well
>buy the cheaper Carrera 2.

no.  read the above.  both the carrera 2 & 4 uses progressive rear
differential lockup to induce understeer.  when i referred to a
"handling" chip, i meant a chip that had a different rear diff lockup
algorithm.


eliot
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 09:48:10 GMT

In <1992Nov2.160735.4015@dvorak.amd.com>
  martin@dvorak.amd.com (Martin Schuessler) writes:

>A quick question ....

>How wide is the radar beam emitted by police radar units ??  My wife was
>stopped in heavy traffic and believes that she was going below the speed
>limit. I'm wondering how the cop could've singled her out with three lanes
>of traffic, her being in the far lane.

3 degrees for 3dB strength typical. Get a copy of the unit's
handbook for details. Anything large outside the 3 degrees
can still return a valid signal which may cause the wrong
target to be identified by the operator. This warning I
believe appears in all the operators' manuals for all RADAR
equipment.

Most Police don't understand and/or don't care that it's
not really "RADAR". There is no ranging process which takes
place. It's only measuring the Doppler shift of the returned
signal. Where the signal is returned from is anybody's
guess.

If you know you weren't speeding and can identify other
possible targets when the beam hits you, you may have enough
evidence to create reasonable doubt. (Take notes and draw
diagrams of the event as the ticket is being written out.
Don't start taking notes until you're sure you're going to
get a ticket!) Unfortunately, without a RADAR detector, you
can't tell if there was actually a reading taken off your
vehicle. Any wonder why they're trying to ban detectors?

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <15370@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>
>Excuse if I'm wrong on this, but doesn't an alternator put out about
>the same amount of current at any speed?  Perhaps this is because they
>put out more than is needed anyway, but it seems to me that I read that this
>was true and one of the advantages to having an alternator over a generator?
>
   No, there's no repeal of the laws of physics in an alternator
   either.   Current output goes up with rpm...after all work out 
   is related to work in.  

   The output current increases until the voltage regulator kicks in
   and then stays pretty constant.  Some have multi-stage regulators
   to help produce high current at low rpm....as driving at night
   with the A/C, radio, and lights on can easily discharge a battery
   if this isn't done.  (And if that low-rpm stage fails, as it did
   on one of my cars, your battery DOES go flat in town...)
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Nov10.074118.14328
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <BxHG29.Lvw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:
>Personally, I think the best of all worlds is still
>a BMW 325i with an M5 engine stuffed in.  It has been done, and yes Virginia,
>the thing kicks ass.

well the new M3 has a 24 valve 6.  i don't remember capacity or output, but
lots of it.  too bad it ain't coming here..

let's start a new thread:  let's name highly desirable cars that didn't
make it to the us.. my contribution:

honda beat
honda crx vtec
honda civic vtec  (the real vtec, not the half-assed one)
lancia delta integrale
ford escort rs cosworth 4x4 (first car with net positive downforce)
new bmw m3, m5 wagon
audi s2, s4 wagon
porsche 959
jaguar xj220 (?)
nissan sunny (sentra) GTI-R  (0-60 5.1 sec, 144 mph top speed, AWD)
nissan 200 sx (240 sx with 1.8 turbo, 0-60 6.4 sec)
citroen xm
vauxhall lotus carlton (377 bhp)
vw golf vr6  (sob!!)


hey you non-american netters:  what cars sold in america do you wish
was sold in your country? 

how many of you like the viper or corvette?


eliot
From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:21:53 GMT
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

kjell@midab.se (Kjell Kristiansson) writes:

>>Here in Sweden we been using DRL for many years now. Normal behavior
>>of the DRL system in our cars is like this:
>
>>- off - headligths go on when altenator generates power. (In older
>>        cars the votage to the lamps was redused to save the bulbs)
>>- on  - headlights always on. If any door is opend a buzzer sounds 
>>		(conected to the interior light)
>>- park- parking (position) lights always on, no buzzer
>>			   
>>This works very good. The only problem is that we can not turn the headlight
>>of when driving (but why should one). 

mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes:
>When I pull grain wagons to the elevator, it is very nice if you can shut
>your lights off while you wait in line so that you don't blind the person
>in front of you, but even more importantly, so that you don't blind the
>guy unloading the wagons and trucks.  
>Mark B.

I know several people who have killed their batteries at night during
a snowstorm by using the heater fan, rear defogger, brake lights, and
headlamps continuously.  It is quite common around here for highway
traffic to come to a complete stop when it snows during rush hour.
Unless you are aware of this problem and selectively turn on and off
different loads, it is easy to kill your battery in less than 1 hr
because the generator cannot put out enough power when to keep up with
the load when the engine is idling.  Personally, I shut the headlamps
off (leaving the parking lights on) if traffic doesn't move for more
than 1 minute or so.  Since I am only a foot or two from the car in
front of me, (and since nobody is moving, anyway), I don't think this
presents a safety problem.  When I see that traffic ahead starts to
move again, I turn them on again.


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From: gggj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Is Ford Connected to Internet?
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:28:55 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Does anyone know if Ford Mo. Co. is hooked into the Internet?  I have a friend
who works there who isn't sure and I'd like to know if theres anyone out there
from Ford.

Scott
o
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Powering Steering Question
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:18:51 GMT

In article <louislam.721510391@vincent2.iastate.edu>, louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam) writes:
|> One day when I was driving to the grocery store and was parking my car,
|> I turned off my key (just playing) before my car was completely in the parking
|> space.  At the moment I turned of the ignition, the steering wheel locks up.
|> I know this is normal since the PS needs some vacuum from the engine (right?)
|> 
|> My question is, what if the car's engine stops running (an engine problem...) 
|> while you're on the road?  The steeling wheel locks and you can't control 
|> the car!
|> 
|> Louis
|> louislam@iastate.edu

The wheel locked up because you had turned the key to the off position,
not because the engine wasn't running.  Try it again and turn the key
back to the on position (without starting the engine).  You will be able
to turn the wheel.  It will turn very hard, but it will turn.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: "karim rahemat" <karim.rahemat@canrem.com>
Subject: help chrysler!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: "karim rahemat" <karim.rahemat@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:22:47 EST

Hi guyz,


I wonder if there is a engine techie amongst you people.   I have a major 
problem with my vehicle and I need a solution to this problem fast.  
Yesterday I was driving a friend home from my house.  While driving the 
car started to slow down.  It did not shudder, jerk or increase in power 
when I floored it.  from 50 mph to 35 in 7 seconds the car would just keep 
slowing down by the time it hit 27 mph the car just died without saying 
goodbye.  I tried to start the car again but it would just turn over 
and not start at all and I did not want to drain the battery.  I found 
this extremely annoying (curse, swear all that stuff) so I decided to find 
what the problem was.

My car being a CHRYSLER CRAP (86 LeBaron GTS 2.5L non-turbo) having a 
semi-fuel injected system consisting of one main injector, throttle body 
and the electronics of the normal fuel injections systems found today. I 
tried to find out what error codes the ECM was holding.  Finding that the 
ECM was holding a CODE 14 which meant to me that the M.A.P. Sensor 
electrical system was faulty.  I removed the sensor and tried to start the 
car again. Same thing again.  The night being cold and it was late at 
night I decided to call CAA and have the Vehicle towed.  Today I'm having 
the assumption that thats not all that went with the car (money, grief). 
The vehicle is allways kept in a good or above average state with 
maintaince and all, clean too.

Almost every part in the engine relating to the fuel injection has been 
replaced except the power module and the Logic Control Module.  Well 
anyway off hunting I go!  All suggestions and advices will be greatly 
appriecated and if someone would hand me a shot gun, just in case that too 
will be apprieciated.

thanx

karim rahemat

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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Hold that belt! (was Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona?????)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:41 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>  And the last time I looked, the belts were not in the doors.
>  Perhaps you were thinking of the Lumina/Grand Prix?

I think even the Lumina and Corsica four-doors have sent this design
to Idea Heaven.  I'd never noticed it (not being much of a GM guy) 
and certainly never imagined it until I drew a Corsica from the motor
pool one day.  In my otherwise most comfortable driving position, the
shoulder harness flapped in my face, making me feel like Moshe Dayan
with the patch over one eye, or perhaps like someone being attacked 
by a buzzard perched on the windowsill.  Yep... you guessed it... the
harness was attached to the inside top rear corner of the door frame,
perhaps in a vain attempt to compel people to use the thing.

This was in the first few years of these cars.  Sometime around '90 or 
'91 they figured out that the generous pillar two inches further back 
might be at once a sturdier and less obtrusive anchor point.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <184132@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon  
Stowell) writes:
>     The rotaries are more efficient because there are more power
>     strokes/rpm.  The rotor is actually only turning at 1/3 the
>     tacho speed.

Actually, the tachometer measure eccentric shaft rpm, which is 3 times faster  
than the rotors.  A rotary has 2 combustion cycles per eccentric shaft rotation  
just like a 4 cylinder 4 stroke.  It is still much smoother than an piston  
engine, because of less reciprocating mass, and the rotors have 3 combustion  
cycles per rpm, but when the rotors have gone 1 rotation, the eccentric shaft  
has gone 3.

--
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Are you truly willing to take the risk of being severely
or even fatally injured just for the thrill of roadracing?
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <Bx9FGz.6z8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>Well, that still doesn`t answer my question. In a reciprocating engine, the
>piston moves upward in the cylinder, spreading a film of oil as it goes.
>Once the piston reaches TDC, it starts travelling downward, taking most of
>the oil with it, because of the rings. Now, I realize that a small amount
>of oil remains on the cylinder wall, because piston rings are not perfect.
>
>Now, with a rotary, what part of the engine pushes the film of oil back
>away from the combustion chamber?? This is what I am asking. 

   Sorry, misunderstood you.   

   The rotary doesn't have any inherent way to splash, etc. oil
   along the cylinder walls, so it uses a tiny ( 0.1 cc capacity )
   oil injection pump to spray oil onto the inside of the revolving
   chamber where the rotor travels.   

   The rotor has apex seals which seal the combustion chamber, and
   scrape gunk, oil, fuel, etc. from the inside surface.  

   However, on my rotary, the oil injection is on the same side of
   the 3 part chamber as the air/fuel intake, so the oil DOES get
   mixed with the fuel....on purpose.  

   The total oil useage on my car is about a quart every 2000-2500
   miles.  This is due to leakage, purposeful injection, etc.  And
   my engine is well over 100K miles.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Taurus/Lumina/Grand Prix
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:50:28 GMT

In article <42347@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com> jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee) writes:
>! jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>!CU has been reviewing cars since the 1920's!
>	72 years and they still dont know what they are talking about.
>	Did the word consumer even exist in the 1920's? Seems to
>	me consumers and consumerism are relatively new-age terms..
This does not make any sense? What are you saying? That they couldn't
have been rating cars for that long? 

>!Have you ever compared what they said to what you experiencied with a
>!car?
>	Yes. I've never experienced the gloom and doom they've
>	told me to watch out for. And these cars include the
>	Chevrolet Monza, Vega, Citation, Beretta. All were on
>	the crap list. None have been crap for me.
Well, you're still not specific, what doom and gloom are you
talking about?

>!Here's what they say about the Lumina:
>!
>!It had slow steering response and lack of steering feel. It had
>!soft suspension, body lean was noticeable.

>	Buy the senior citizen's suspension and what do you expect?
Wait a sec, so you are admitting they may be correct on this one?
I am not sure what suspension they got. But, they try to compare
cars in the same price catagory. This was not a Taurus SHO/Lumina Z34?
comparison.


>! IT has a 3-point belt attached to the door, and did poorly in the
>	The door belts are the result of dumb federal regulations
>	requiring passive restraints. They are no dumber than motorized
>	belts, just a different implementation. The motorized ones
>	are worse because most people forget to attach the manual lap
>	belt. In certain cases, shoulder only is worse than no belt at
>	all.
My biggest complaint is that it did poorly in the crash test. Though
door belts are inconvienent and may not protect you if the doors
fly off. 

>!government crash
>!tests. Ther braking had the longest stopping distance and most
>!fade of cars in thr group.

Did you find anything wrong about this? 

>!Can you find fault with this? What specifically is wrong?
>!
>!On the plus side they said it had very strong acceleration
>!There are other things like how controls are laid out and how
>!the seating is which is more subjectivew. But, come on it
>!is not that hard to  test the braking or drive the car thru
>!an accident avoidence course. What are they doing wrong?


You really didn't disqualify what they said. If CU doesn't know how to
rate cars, even though they've been doing it longer than the other
magazines have been around(I bet), shouldn't you be able to show how
they are biased against this car or any of the other cars you
mentioned?

john
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