HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hi again...
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:13:02 GMT
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United

an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon) writes:

>Has it seemed to "help" in any way? I'm curious because I feel like I
>should have been a female, but I am male, but then I'd like to be a
>gay female most of all, but I don't have any motivation to change.

well, you're not alone in wanting to be a lesbian.  i also consider
myself to be a lesbian trapped in a man's body.  in my case i have
motivation to change, although i also have motivation not to.

>I'd be one really sad looking female! (or not, who knows?) 

probably not.  you'd be surprised.

kelly
--
I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4258@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: long stockings 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:14:47 GMT

Valerie here.

Lost the message id.  Sorry.  Twist writes:
>I'd like some advice on solving the following problem:
>My girlfriend is tall (6'0") and cannot find any stockings
>that are long enough.  I'd like to get some for her, but
>am not sure where to look.  All the catalogs I've seen
>(such as Frederick's) have "one size fits all".
>
>Can anyone give the name/address/phone of a place that
>does mail order and would have some 'extra length' stockings?

For your girlfriend, huh?  <wink wink>.  

I'm just elbowing you.  _I_ don't care who they're for; does anyone else
in here?  Didn't think so.

My last Frederick's catalog does show some models of stockings in 3 sizes;
the largest is advertised to fit up to 5' 10".  From experience, that size
works okay for me at 5'11", especially given stretchy garters.
800-323-9525

Victoria's Secret also carries 3 sizes, but I think they are slightly more
generous in sizing than the Frederick's stockings.
800-888-8200

Lane Bryant carries large sizes, which translates into tall sizes
with stockings and nylons (the more you stretch them in length, the tighter
they become in circumference).  
800-477-7030

I suspect the J.C. Penney "Tall" Catalog would serve well, but I don't
have their number or address.


Valerie/dances-with-aardvarks                          an1845@anon.penet.fi
Store in cool, dark place.


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From: cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Dukes)
Subject: Re: Bogus theories... (Discovery, Jan '93)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:57:15 GMT

Hmmm I seem to recall that the only thing that they found conclusive for 
brain differentation based on sex is...  TA DA... males are more likely
to be left handed because the early testosterone causes the right
hand side of the brain to develop more.  Everything else is based on
conjecture about how the brain works... and those kids that have had
"water on the brain" and lost a great deal of brain mass, but still do well
in school have successfully proven that most of that conjecture is a crock
of fertilizer and very strong.

Chris/Kristine
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an2967@anon.penet.fi (Tierney Dhewitrei)
Subject: How about buttons?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:45:00 GMT

> 'coming out' as a crossdresser is a major step.  Society seems to have
> accepted the fact that people's sexual attraction may vary from person
> to person, but not their sexual identity.  In _Fantastic Women_ Annie
> Woodhouse a UK sociologist describes the discomfort that occurs when
> approached by a person whose sex is indeterminate.  The first thing we
> notice about a person is what his/her sex is.	 This determines how we
> relate to them, how we talk to them, our manners, potential courtship
> rituals, status, and on and on.
>

Sounds like a opportunity for a real entrepreneur.  How about buttons that
say things such as:

       -------          -------
      /       \        /       \
     /         \      /	        \
    /-----------\    /-----------\
    |  I'm het  |    |I'm bi     |
    ------------|    ------------|
    | I'm a TV  |    |I'm a CD'er|
    \-----------/    \-----------/
     \         /      \    	    /
      \_______/        \_______/

>
> Our society is simply not prepared to give up this basic
> differentiation.  There is also, as Virginia Prince, has written, the
> stigma of moving *down* rather than *up* in status when CD'd.	 AS woman
> who is wearing men's clothing societally increases her status.  A male
> weraing female's clothing is doing the opposite.  That this is true is
> awful, but a fact of our society and history.

Don't know the answer to this one.  That is until women are finally
treated as equals.  Of course that will probably happen long before
gender dysphoria is accepted.  I don't expect to see either in my lifetime.

Hugs
Tierney

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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Hi again...
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:36:07 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.172315.9864@fuug.fi> an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon) writes:
>>	spoke with my father and told him that the girl clothes made me feel
>>	like I was "touching" a woman, therefore helping me to masturbate - it
>>	made me "male" again after he heard this, and all was dropped and never
>>	mentioned again.

>So he was simply paranoid you were gay, and once that was settled it
>didn't matter?  Kind of sadly amusing... but nice that you didn't get
>more hassles over it.

>>	I guess I just rambled, but has anyone around my age (34) gone to a
>>	psy(ch(either one) and discussed CDing with any conclusions? Has it

>I've not, but I've found counseling not to be of much use in other areas.
>But it seems to be a very variable thing.  Perhaps I had lousy counselors,
>or maybe some people take to it better than others.  Friends have sworn
>counseling helped them with a variety of topics, and I believe them.

>>	but then I'd like to be a gay female
>>	most of all, but I don't have any motivation to change. I'd be one
>>	really sad looking female! (or not, who knows?) The funny thing to me
>>	is that I'm REALLY SERIOUSLY comfortable being me the way I am.

>Ah, sounds like me sometimes!  A lot of mainstream people think it sounds
>nonsensical for a male attracted to women to sometimes be attracted to
>the idea of being a lesbian, but it's apparently a fairly common
>fantasy/wish/whatever.

  It's common enough to have been given a name - transhomosexuality.
It's based onthe idea that a persons sexuality is not just based
on the sex of the people they are attracted to.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (i live in the dark)
Subject: found this in rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:58:49 GMT

-------------------------cut here----------------------------------------

Article 2376 of rec.arts.bodyart:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: good news and bad news...help!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:42:16 GMT

tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.234848.10912@nevada.edu> clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:


>My nipple ring is 1/2" ID (more like 9/16" ID with the bead installed).  I
>think a smaller one would actually look nicer, but the piercing itself is
>3/8" across.  What would be really cool is a 3/8" ring with a second,
>larger ring behind or above it in a separate piercing.  Anybody done
>anything like this?

I've seen it, I didn't like the way it looked since it really swole the
aroleus out and made it a bit too 3D (it was on a male, and I like my own
nipples to not remind me too much of small breasts) I thought.
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca| Q: Why did the Jungle Fowl cross the road?          |
Behavioural Ecology   | A: To maximize it's lifetime reproductive success   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  | Q: Huh?                                             |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  | A: I guess it just needed to get to the other side. |




i personally think that the jewelry is worth keeping,  but if your opinion
	differs than it might be worth doing for the side effect.  after
	the nipple has grown some you can then remove the piece and let it 
	grow in.

kathy

ps   i just realized that i have been posting from two seperate systems.
	on one i am noid@nick  and on the other i am krh9895@ultb.  to keep
	confusion to a minimum,  i will mostly post as noid except when that
	system is down (which is why i posted from the other system at all)

love always (no matter what system i'm from)
	kathy


Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee)
Subject: Re: is it the body or the brain?
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:19:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.215349.2539@fuug.fi>, an2967@anon.penet.fi (Tierney Dhewitrei) writes:

>I notice that most of us speak about being in the wrong body.

I'm in the wrong body.

>For me this is difficult to handle.  What seems to be more
>plausable is that I'm in the correct body, my brain is just
>confused.  I guess it's easier to think it is environment
>rather then a mistake God made.

This issue is a real struggle for me.

  Now this is the view of a
>CDer that has been CDing for 30+ years and has never attempted
>to discuss it with a professional (psychologist or otherwize).
>So what's the answer?  I know, if we knew that we would all be
>either 'healed' or (what I would prefer) running around in our
>favorite blouse and skirt when and where we please.  So, am I
>the only one that feels this way, or are there others that
>think that maybe it is a psychological problem and not a
>physical one.

Welllll, I'm open to the possibility that maybe it is a psychological
"phenomenon" and not the physical problem of being possessed of an unwanted
appendage.  I'm in the market for a "solution" to the physical problem, but not
for the psychological one.

  Am I reducing beyond the lowest common
>denominator?
>
>Smile, you know you're wearing pink panties and they don't.

I'll try to.  I'll _really_ smile when I know I'm wearing a Y chromosome and
"they" don't.  :)

>hugs
>Tierney

hugs,
Lorraine
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
Subject: Re: Well, I'm back
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: AEGIS
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:40:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.030201.1301@vela.acs.oakland.edu>,
w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee) wrote:
> 
> In article <929006@sundown.mil.wi.us>, wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy) writes:
> 
> >I see my sister Celeste has been dubed the local guru. She's quite
> >knowledgeable on the subject and is a really wonderful person. I'm
> >sure she appreciates the gesture.
> 
> Yah I'm curious where she heard/read about the Roman emperor with some 2
> millenia of technological foresight.  And about a zillion other interesting
> facts and factoids she posts.
> 
[stuff deleted]
> 
> ...
> >Love to you all,
> >
> >Wendy
> 
> Love to you too, sis
> 
> Lorraine

See "Sexual Idenity Conflict in Children and Adult" by Dr. Green.
It also has the reference for the first women Pope, Pope John VIII
and that he was found to be a she until she started to give birth!

Love and hugs,

The voraious reader!

Celeste
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: krh9895@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.R. Hall )
Subject: Re: Bogus theories... (Discovery, Jan '93)
Originator: krh9895@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:08:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.210447.6464@news.ysu.edu> ah568@yfn.ysu.edu (Melissa Preston) writes:
>
>I'd be curious to know how they handle the fact that sexual orientiation
>isn't a black and white system of homosexuality and heterosexuality,
>but a spectrum. Are the brains of men who admit to fantasising about
>homosexual acts different from those who don't admit to doing so?
>
>
>     Melissa.


the theory is that the size of the hippocampus(?) is what determines or
	has a major hand in determining, sexual preferance.  since body
	parts usually have a range of size rather than just a few set sizes,
	this should account for the range in human sexuality.


well you said you were curious....   :)

hugs
kathy




Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an2967@anon.penet.fi (Tierney Dhewitrei)
Subject: re: CD'ing when you have children
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:39:00 GMT

an1167@non.penet.fi (Rita) writes:
>
> Hi ladies,
>
> Lots of people out there talk about CD'ing, and how supportive or
> unsupportive their spouses are.  My question is - what if you have
> kids?	 Small kids might not be too bad, because you can "indulge" at night
> after they are in bed, but what about when they're older?  I've seen things
> on TV (no, not *that* TV, I mean television ;-)) showing a CD'er with hir
> entire family watching hir put on makeup, and they didn't seem to have
> any hangups about it, but I wonder if that isn't a pretty rare situation.
>
> Anyway, anyone have any comments?
>
> By the way, since I "came out" to my wife, I've bought a few things and even
> dressed in front of her - she let me borrow a few of her things, and even told> me I looked "nice"!  What a kick!
>
> Thanks, sisters!
>
> Rita

I for one can not at this time accept CD'ing in front of one's children.
Until society as a whole accepts variations in gender better then in
currently does, I can't see placing this burden on other persons in my
family, especially children.  Children have enough to deal with without
carrying someone elses luggage along, even if it is mom or pop.	 Whether
or not they will be able to deal with it, which I doubt,  most everyone
they come in contact will treat them differently, if not with hostility.

As for telling one's spouse, I would be a suddenly single CD'er.  I know
for a fact my wife would not and could not deal with my teetering genderness.
Alas, this causes me all kinds of problems as you may guess.  Hell, I don't
know if I could handle telling my wife!

Hugs
Tierney

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From: an3344@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Bra Talk...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:58:22 GMT


Celeste,

>
>Where did you get you Airway Silicone?
>
>I got my at a discount from a pre-op TS (now post op) that no longer
>needed them. As you say, they are GREAT. (I have been "read" as a
>woman because of the way they "bounce".) 
>
>I would like another pair that are smaller. My are size #7. Which is
>a very full 38C or 40B.
>
>Love and hugs,
>Celeste

At first, I called around the area (after looking in the yellow pages under
Mastectomy Needs), and point blank asked if they fitted men. (To which they
all responded yes - One woman was even gushing with information.) I did 
find that because most of these places use (abuse?) medical insurance 
coverage that the prices were *outrageous*, typically $300-375 each.

I finally found a pair of #5's at a local boutique that caters to the T-folk
community (Florence's to those in the Boston Area) and she sold them to me for
$350.00 for the pair. (She was very helpful as well....)

The #5's provide a very nice 38B. :)
 
BTW, you mention the Holiday En-Femme in another article. Are you a member of
TRI-ESS board in Atlanta?

Hugs,

Joanna C

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From: an330@anon.penet.fi (Dawn)
Subject: Re: The Mother of Invention, Bra Stuffing.
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:35:50 GMT

In alt.transgendered Wendy writes:

>Here's a better one. Magicians use a powder called "super Gel".

That got me experimenting...

I bought a box of unflavored gelatine.  Normally, you use 10g of
gelatine to set 500mL of water.  Since I'm small, I use small
"breasts" of about 150-200mL each.  I dumped 10g of gelatine into
a balloon, and filled it with hot water to just before the balloon
begins expanding.  I squeezed and shook the balloon to mix the gelatine,
and then put in the rest of the water.  Then I tied it shut.  The mixture
is jelly-like at room temperature, and should stop the slow-leak problem
I've had with plain water balloons.  Looks good so far, so if there are
any amateur chemists out there... get mixing!  :-)

Total cost: $1.39 for the gelatine + $1.29 for ten balloons.

All the best, Dawn.

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From: benc@htsa.aha.nl (Ben Castricum)
Subject: exepack in dos 5.0
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:54:14 GMT
Organization: Hogeschool van Amsterdam, Polytechnic Institute

I am working on an executable file decompressor. I noticed that ms-dos 5.0
was compressed with exepack (it contains the message "packed file is corrupt")
Does anyone know what version it is compressed with? I compared it with 4.05
but that's not it.

Is anybody more informed on this subject and would like to share that
knowledge :)?

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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [aus.aarnet]  Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,aus.aarnet
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:45:40 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject:  Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:37:49 GMT

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

[Please excuse any typo's this keyboard is playing up]

>I don't understand why whenever the word "pornographic" comes up
>everyone associates it with censorship and rights.  If you want

Because censorship is censorship, no matter who perpetrates it,
no matter what it is you choose to censor.  It is far more clear
cut than the distinction between what is erotic and what is
pornogaphic.

>pictures of nearly naked females.  Now can you tell me honestly
>that if you look at these pictures, you don't get turned on

Surely that's the idea?

>(unless of course you are gay :-) ?

There are lots of male pictures there as well.  Have you ever even
looked at this nwsgroup?

>Wouldn't it be better just to forgo something like pornography
>then to know that it could lead to acts of violence against
>females and even childern ?  Ok, the possiblity may be as low as
>0.0001% but is cutting out pornography on the net such a great
>lost ?

Not to you obviously, you lose nothing, so of course this seems 
like a reasonable aproach to you.  What about people who don't 
or can't drive demanding that cars be banned because they could be
killed by them?  Should we ban all drugs because some people
commit suicide with them?  All sports because people get hurt?
Boxing because people get brain damage?  Force people to wear helmets
because they could get hurt riding?  Ban cigarette advertising because
people get cancer?

Where do you draw the line - and who gets to choose where the line gets
drawn?

Violence against women is a horrible thing, it sickens and appals me.
It infuriates me that even in Perth people (esp women) are afraid to
walk the streets.  But don't blame this on the net, the violence was
there before the net was, it was there before tv, before magazines,
before newspapers.
   Peter.

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_______________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [aus.aarnet]  Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,aus.aarnet
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:47:18 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject:  Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:23:36 GMT

From article <1992Dec22.085300.1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au>, by ryanph@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au:
> 
> nb: I am _not_ talking from a moral 'high ground'. I am _not_ a card-carrying
> member of the Moral Majority. However, pornography generally is demeaning to
> women, and I believe that it is particularly poor in the present context.

	It's difficult to see if your for real or not?  Anyway pictures of
women may be demeaning to woman, but that's only if they have to look at them.
Since these pictures are not on display then I cannot see how they are
demeaning to anyone expect those that have gone to the extended effort of 
having to down load , uudecode etc etc before being able to display them...

	Also I'm sure you will find that there is male porn there as
well going by the group names, what about being demeaning to them... or
are you one of these sexis types that has women on the brain  :) :)


	Mark :)

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