HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:19:02 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <2549@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) 
writes:
> I am experiencing the same thing, and my fiance hasn't
> even moved in yet (although she does today).
> We went out and got a totally new apartment, so that one wouldn't feel 
s/he
> was intruding on the other.

You do comprende, exactly, by starting out on neutral ground with new, 
mutual, apartment, checking account, furniture, etc.  But that was only 
Clue #1 (I never said there was only one clue  :-)

> And yet -- there are many things she does that make me go "Huh?"  There 
are
> things I do that make her say, "What?!?"

Now for Clue #2:  Consider how lucky your are that you are discovering all 
these delightful differences -- instead of being bored with each other 
because you are both so predictable.  Also consider these small things as 
gifts, as practice for how you will resolve major life issues that will 
appear later on.  Many of the things you mention are so easy for each of 
you to have your own way -- like with two tubes of toothpaste, or a bedside 
table on just your side.  Others might be met with compromise, like window 
open and no fan.  Enjoy this exciting time of life and discovery!!!!!
Xref: sparky soc.men:17396 soc.women:17430 soc.singles:27114
From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:11:09 GMT
	<1992Sep30.174714.2900@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1acs1tINNmkj@uwm.edu>
	<JMD.92Oct5173602@lion.bear.com> <Bvoyz7.BJz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) said:

> The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.

WHAT?  No garlic?  Or is that included with chocolate?
--
Bruce
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Violent Di Batters Charles
Keywords: Poor Little Princess!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 18:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.050913.13539@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>>	No, because the National Enquirer also claims that some woman
>>in Iowa is pregnant by an extra-terrestial and that garlic cures cancer.
>
>Are you implying that garlic is NOT a miracle cure?  I, and other garlic
>lovers, are very offended.

I thought it was supposed to help with cardiovascular disease. 

Dr. Dean Edell (sp?) says that the garlic tablets don't work, because
the very substance suspected to be the "good stuff" is removed during
the making of the tablets.  He suggests that one should eat garlic,
not take garlic tablets.  And garlic lovers every where will second
that.

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: ematz@world.std.com (Ed Matz)
Subject: Drumming and Dancing for men of ALL colors
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:05:26 GMT

Sundays	Oct 11, Nov 15, Dec 13	7:00 PM to 10:00 PM doors open at 6:30  PM
at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Medford
141 High St. (Rt. 60), Medford, MA

Traditional societies have a time and place for men to steal away from work
and the stress of daily life.   A place to be with friends, brothers,
fathers, sons and grandfathers.   Traditionally that kind of place was 
created with talk from the heart, songs, poetry, drumming and dancing.
This has been a way of connecting to the rest of the community and to
the earth.

In this spirit we will try to take back from our modern time some of
that feeling.   And in this way create this older kind of a space.
We hope it will rejuvinate, refresh and replenish you and your spirit.
So, come and spend an evening with some dancing and drumming, songs, poems
and stories and the good feeling of being with good men.

Bring drums and other percussion instruments.   If you don't have any -- not
to worry: we always have extras to share.   Bring friends.   Bring
refreshments to share if you have.

Any questions, call Mike Dorsey at (617) 261-3427.   A donation of $5.00
for each adult is requested.


Xref: sparky soc.men:17195 soc.women:17256
From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:16:53 GMT
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep30.180518.12856@microsoft.com> 
ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown) writes:

>The Pill, while it _does_ have quite a few nasty side effects,
>does not have irreversible side effects of any kind.  (At least, I've never
>heard about the Pill causing sterility or death.)

It can lead to permanent high blood pressure.  High blood pressure can 
cause strokes, among other things, which are often deadly.

rini
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: gwangung@byron.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:50:11 GMT

In article <0s_p3rd.sheaffer@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>I think that just about every woman wants to be with a man who is "more
>male" than she is. However, the big problem for many modern women is:
>having moved so far in the direction of "maleness" herself, the number
>of men noticeably "more male" than her is unfortunately rather small. 


	There's a problem, Robert, of generalizing from yourself....

-- 
	"I got into theatre originally to pick up girls. Unfortunately, all I
found were women..."
e-mail:  gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Xref: sparky soc.men:17300 alt.sex:31829 alt.feminism:2014
From: mxsst1+@pitt.edu (Michael   Stroucken)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:51:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

How about this to control human population: Every woman, who has had one
child, will have her tubes tied. Unlike male sterilization, where there's
a possible change in ejaculate (with psychological side effects), females
will experience no change in sexuality, and can fornicate to her hearts content


Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.child-support
From: brein@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry Rein)
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Followup-To: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:59:56 GMT

In article <sem_QgO00YV9M4zfEh@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Rebecca Ann Stallings) wrote:
> 
> >>Whether you call it sexist or not, the
> >>pharmaceutical companies are working harder to get it 'just right' for men
> >>than they ever did for women.
> > 
> >Last month feminists blamed the pharmaceutical companies for not
> >working hard enough on a male pill and called them sexist; now 
> >you give the opposite claim.  Can't you keep your story straight?
>    That's not the point the first poster was trying to make.  In the
> 1960s, pharmaceutical companies went ahead and released the Pill even
> though it was rather dangerous.  They've made modifications since, but
> some brands and formulations still have serious side effects.  By
> contrast, it seems that companies are unwilling to release a male pill
> until it's absolutely perfect, not wanting to inconvenience or endanger
> men.
>         ---'Becca at Carnegie Mellon

I believe that birth control pills have always been safer than pregnancy
and childbirth.  This is a tradeoff for women that does not enter into
the calculation for men.


******************************************
*       Barry Rein                       *
*       brein@dsfvax.jpl.nasa.gov        *
******************************************
*       No clever comment.               *
******************************************
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.couples,alt.romance
From: larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr)
Subject: Re: We, the persons
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:42:35 GMT


"We, the people" is from the constitution, not the declaration of
independence.  I found this out before anyone told me, so flame-off.
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.180407.21154@microsoft.com> ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown) writes:

>In article <1adhlmINN33l@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>
>>ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown) writes:
>>
>>>The Pill, while it _does_ have quite a few nasty side effects,
>>>does not have irreversible side effects of any kind.
>
>>Eric must think strokes are reversible.
>
>One _small_ query, though -- what percentage of women taking the Pill have
>strokes?

What percentage of men taking the male pill would become irreversably
sterile?

And what is the price of eggs, by the way?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Xref: sparky soc.men:17024 alt.dads-rights:2390
From: baba@Tymnet.com (Duane Hentrich)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:44:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: BT North America, San Jose CA.

In article <1992Oct6.170529.11643@ncar.ucar.edu>, marcia@virga.ucar.edu (Marcia Politovich) writes:
|>  Hmm, I thought the four food groups were:
|>    Caffeine
|>    Sugar
|>    Fat
|>    Alcohol 
|> 
|>  Which makes Irish Coffee the perfect food   :^)

Yuck! Coffee sucks. The perfect food, even by your standards is obviously
a Rum & Coke Float.

-- 
d'baba Duane M. Hentrich	baba@Tymnet.Com

We have yet to learn that the thing uttered in words is not therefore affirmed. It must affirm itself, or no forms of logic or of oath can give it evidence. 
The sentence must also contain its own apology for being spoken. - R.W.Emerson
Xref: sparky soc.men:17377 soc.women:17410 soc.singles:27081
From: jgh1+@pitt.edu (John G Hardie)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:53:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bvoyz7.BJz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
[...]
>The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.

That's funny.  I always thought they were Caffeine, Alcohol, Salt and Fat.

Regards,
John


-- 
jgh1@vm1.cis.pitt.edu

	Give me chastity and continency, but do not give them yet.
From: baba@samadhi.Tymnet.COM (Duane Hentrich)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Violent Di Batters Charles
Keywords: Poor Little Princess!
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:59:43 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Oct3.050913.13539@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>>	No, because the National Enquirer also claims that some woman
>>in Iowa is pregnant by an extra-terrestial and that garlic cures cancer.
>
>Are you implying that garlic is NOT a miracle cure?  I, and other garlic
>lovers, are very offended.

Well, I'm a pretty open and fair guy and what you do in the privacy of
your own home is your business, but whern you and others like you come
to public places where I have to put up with your second hand garlic
breath, that's where I draw the line. Smell like garlic in public...
go to jail.

-- 
d'baba Duane M. Hentrich	baba@Tymnet.Com

We have yet to learn that the thing uttered in words is not therefore affirmed. It must affirm itself, or no forms of logic or of oath can give it evidence. 
The sentence must also contain its own apology for being spoken. - R.W.Emerson
Xref: sparky soc.men:17095 soc.women:17179
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:53:34 PDT
 <1992Sep27.204307.7940@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> <exukjb.264.717712753@exu.ericsson.se> <Sep29.000222.42295@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Distribution: world
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA

In article <Sep29.000222.42295@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
|> In article <exukjb.264.717712753@exu.ericsson.se> exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell) writes:
|> >
|> >Guys, guys. You'll never really know whether women have orgasms or not! Just 
|> >like you'll never really know how rover feels about alpo. Give it up.
|> 
|> Oh I dunno.  "Man, that was *good*!" would be a good indicator.  Just like
|> rover wagging his tail.
|> 


  Actually, a woman's eyelids become suffused with blood after a good orgasm.
That's what eye shadow tries to simulate.



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero        rivero@dev8j.mdcbbs.com     "A Human's Human!"  |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|                       I CAME,  I SAW,  I DIVORCED                      |
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Deborah Trytten)
Subject: Re: Victims of False "Memories" Form Organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:05:43 GMT
Distribution: usa 
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Followup-To: soc.men 

In article <1665@hsvaic.boeing.com> throop@hsvaic.boeing.com (David Throop) writes:
>.... deleted stuff....
>in which a young adult has become involved with theraputic groups
>which have many of the hallmarks of cults, and are coming up with
>implausible stories of childhood sexual abuse.

This is slightly off the topic, but The American Scholar (the national
publication of Phi Beta Kappa--*excellent* reading and you don't have
to be a PBK to subscribe) has an article that is partially about false
accusations of childhood sexual abuse.  This is the Winter 1992 issue.
The article is actually about psychiatric fads and the damage they do.
The author (whose name slips my mind at the moment) is looking at
MPD (multiple personality disorder) and feels that it is a hysterical
reaction similar to that the Salem witch trials--a comparison that I
believe has been made in soc.men previously.

Deborah Trytten
dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
From: rmcewen@spcb.bbn.com (Regis McEwen)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: .Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:41:47 GMT
Reply-To: rmcewen@spcb.bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcb.bbn.com

[Posted to soc.men, only, because I don't get alt.feminism, although I'd
appreciate it if someone forward it there as well [RPM] ]

In article <19sdlrINNf4l@gap.caltech.edu>, peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>
> An aside:  how many men out there in net-land *really* refuse to 
> use condoms?  What would your reply be if your lover asked you to 
> use them?  Would you walk out?  Throw a tantrum?  Acquiesce but
> grumble alot?  Think it's a great idea?

	My hope is that men use them, because they decided that they need to,
	to protect themselves and their partner and the side-benefit is that
	their lover thought that it was a great idea.

	Now Michal, if we turned this around bit and asked:

An aside:  how many women out there in net-land *really* refuse to 
use <X>?  What would your reply be if your lover asked you to 
use them?  Would you walk out?  Throw a tantrum?  Acquiesce but
grumble alot?  Think it's a great idea?

	What if <X> is:		a female condom?
				dipositories?
				a spermicidal sponge?
				the Pill?
				nothing? (he would wear 3 condoms)
				nothing? (he would wear a lambskin condom)


	What would your response be?


	
						-Regis


Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.politics.clinton
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:03:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.011133.14186@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.032425.611087@zeus.calpoly.edu> dgross@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
>>"I know how awful it is for a kid to grow up knowing that somewhere out there,
>>there is some father who abandoned her or him.  I just -- it infuriates me.
>>And so, do I think we ought to have a Draconian system of national child
>>support enforcement?  I sure do.  I really believe that.  I do."
>>
>>     -- Bill Clinton, in an interview with Christopher Matthews of
>>        the San Francisco Examiner.  Interview published in Image
>>        magazine, a supplement of the Sunday Examiner, 10/4/92.
>
>This is a bit out of context.
>
>He was talking about "deadbeat dads".  He believes in going after them
>to make them pay WHAT THEY HAVE BE REQUIRED TO PAY.  He isn't talking
>about making them pay more, he IS talking about enforcing the rules
>that exist.

The rules that exist are themselves draconian.  Clinton wants to
enforce draconian rules with draconian measures.

Clinton's father died; he was not driven away by an angry mother.
There is a big difference, but Clinton wants to play it up for sympathy.


>Less than 30% of all alimony is ever actually paid.

Can you say, "fathers in poverty"?  Why do people remember welfare mothers
but forget that fathers can be unemployed and poor?  Especially under
draconian support awards -- can you support two households for the 
price of one?


>When you are talking about helping children, this is something
>that really needs to be done.

This is the last thing that needs to be done; it alienates, antagonizes,
and disempowers family members even more than now.

What needs to be done is to enforce visitation and promote shared custody.

Statistics show clearly that greater rights and contact with children
make a big difference in fulfillment of support obligations.


Of course, that's not as politically attractive as deadbeat-dad-bashing.

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath)
Subject: Re: The Politics Of Appeasement
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:20:26 GMT

slarsen@titian.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen) writes:

>At any rate, this all reminds me of a quote I heard, wish I could remember 
>the source and can only paraphrase at best:  Democracy will never work.  
>Once the public realizes they can raid the government treasuries by vote, 
>the democratic government is destined to fail.

You are looking for the following, which was written by the Scottish
economist Alexander Fraser Tytler shortly before the original 13
colonies gained their independence from England. He was speaking
about the Athenian Republic some 2000 years before:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves
largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from
the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses
over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The
average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to
spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage
to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from
apathy to dependence; from dependence back again to bondage."

-George

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Newsgroups: soc.men
From: larry@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Larry Landwehr)
Subject: Re: We, the persons
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:14:00 GMT

From article <Bvo34n.ADJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, by jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales):

> In article <1992Oct5.154235.15608@mr.med.ge.com> larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr) writes:

>>"We, the people" is from the constitution, not the declaration of
>>independence.  I found this out before anyone told me, so flame-off.
> 
> Wow!  This Larry Landwehr person is actually on the list!  I
> sort of figured he was one of the 'hit and run' flakes.
> 
> Welcome, Larry.
> 
> I thought your post was completely idiotic.  You'll fit right in
> with the other mindless conservatives on this list.

Well at least I've got you for a friend.
Xref: sparky soc.men:17398 soc.women:17432
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: CONDOMS! and AIDS
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:40:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall) writes:

>The only known methods for being _sure_ to avoid HIV are:
> + sexual and intraveneous drug abstinence
> + mutual exclusivity in sexual practices with an uninfected 
>   non-intraveneous-drug-using (NIDU) partner (of course, now 
>   you need some way of ensuring partner remains exclusive and NIDU...)

Unless, of course, one of you got a blood transfusion many years ago.
Or you visited the wrong health professional.  Or someone sticks
you with an infected needle in the street.  Or....

Sure, everything listed here is very unlikely -- a one-in-a-zillion chance.
But the point is that you can't be *sure*.  You can only minimize risk
and avoid taking unwarranted chances.

Nothing is *sure* but death and taxes.

							--  Michal
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: more IUD mis-information
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:16:36 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <3ZmRRB7w164w@cellar.org> rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor) writes:
>Condoms are cheap and do not interfere in any way with the health or reproductive 
>function of the wearer.  

	I can't orgasm before I make her sore when I use one.  Does that count?

>not only a greater health risk (witness the number of women killed or
>maimed by toxic shock syndrom brought on by the Dalkon Shield) but a 

	Ahem.  The problem with that particular device was uterine
perforations caused by serious mis-design,i.e, stiff projections meant
to prevent expulsion.  I'd have more respect for your opinions if I
thought you knew what you were talking about.

>pharmaceutical companies are working harder to get it 'just right' for men
>than they ever did for women.

	And do you get this information from the same source as you get your information
on IUD's ?  The simple fact is that no one has discovered a male counterpart to
the female birth control pill without immediate, serious, undesirable side effects.  It's
not sexism that's keeping the things off the market, but fear of litigation.