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From: ailsa@ailanthus.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: hair and heathenism
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa@ailanthus.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

ornoth@wonky.UUCP (David A. Liscomb) writes:
>
> With appropriate fanfare, Ailsa sez:
>
> >my new SO and
> >reason why i don't post so much anymore has hair past his shoulders,
> >whihc is just so marvellous to wash, brush, play with, etc.  i've
> >ordered him never to cut it...  *sigh*  and nothing quite beats the
> >feeling of having partially dry long hair drawn slowly and sensuously
> >over your bare back and lower body...
>
> I think I can understand this emotion...  Though I particularly enjoy
> the sensation of long half-dry hair swishing (squishing?) on my back..
>
> [ hi deah ;^) ]
>
hallo love...  and since you introduced me to the sensation, youOUGHTto
enjoy it...  *grin*

> >scalp massages are lovely no matter WHAT sort of hair you have... bu
> >scalp massages on the aforementioned lovely long brown hair are just
> >incredible...  i think i have a hair fetish...
>
> I'll second that opinion, too...  ;^)
>
all your fault too...

> >relationship and packing to move to natick, mass., on 27 dec (anybody
> >wanna help me move in?  i'll cheerfully feed you?),
>
> I suppose I could help out if I'm in the area...  ;^)
>
smartass...  well, folx, you have now met the new SO, albeit
briefly...  *grin*

i already posted about my new email address, right?  no, i must have,
cos i got mail warning me about the vagaries of .uucp addresses from
our friend the lizard...

dunno how much time i am going to have until after the new year to
drop by and write much around here, so i'll wish everyone a very merry
whatever now, just in case i can't later.  enjoy your celebnrationsm
whatever they are, and don't let it stress you too much!

                                                  -ailsa

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From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:27:25 GMT

In article <BzF972.Dtv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>
>I am a Witch, that is, I am a magic-worker.  Whether anyone before Gerald
>Gardner ever used the word Witch for religious purposes, I do not know, and
>it really doesn't matter to me.  Wicca is my religion, and one of the most
>fundamental principles of Wicca is that magic is available to everyone.  To
>call myself anything but Witch would make me feel that I was hiding from the
>power implicit in the word Witch.  
>
>Please note, there are pagans who work magic who are not Witches, but they are
>in different strands of paganism than I am.  

Okay, let's clear the air on this one.  Since when were men called witches? 
The correct terminology for a man who endeavors to engage in magical
practices is "Warlock".  The more gender nuetral term would be
"Necromancer".  If I practiced magic, I surely wouldn't want to be called a
witch. 

Regards,

Ted K.
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From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: PAGAN & NOMENCLATURE
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:41:09 GMT


Except that for many of us, the label
is not a limitation: it's a conciously
chosen connection with something we 
find meaningful.

This is not to say that you MUST adopt
a label, but please don't assume that 
I'm limiting myself if I do...

More to your point: the answer "Hi, 
I'm Jack and I'm a Christian" is not
something I find all that horrible.
If it makes someone happy to make their
religion a chosen, visible part of
their identity that's THEIR business.
It's not up to you or anyone to judge
that...

I am Queer; I am a Witch.  Neither 
label limits me, for I can do ANYthing
I want to and still be BOTH of those 
things...

-- 
I thank the Goddess for my life,
I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
     -- Z Budapest
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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: santa claws
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:51:02 GMT

My parents always told us that santa was poor like us so we shouldnt
ask for a lot. Not pagan but an idea.

Elf=Kin
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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: skyclad ritual
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:07:59 GMT
Keywords: skyclad


I often work skyclad when alone, but rarely choose to in group ritual.  I do
think that it is important in initiation rituals, where it has real symbolic
value.  Other than that, it is simply a matter of what is comfortable for the
individual/group.  For a coherent arguement for the regular use of skyclad
ritual, see the Farrar's _A Witches Bible, Vol. 2_ (UK title, _The Witches
Way_); one of the chapters is titled "Naked in Your Rites".

Enjoy the journey!

                      --Br'anArthur

                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: A Darkover type circle
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:42:35 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1g9mqsINN9eq@unidui.uni-duisburg.de> hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke) writes:
>Hello Corun - Stayka is here!

Wie gehen sie, Stayka. (that's about as good as my Deutsche gets I'm afraid)

>I hope you don't mind my answering you via alt.pagan, but I think it 
>might be interesting for others as well...

No problem.

[much on the Darkover type circle deleted for brevity]

>The main idea to do the circle was to heal with energies. We found out 
>that it is very easy to determine if someone was ill by checking the 
>aura. (For example you can even feel via aura if someone had had a bone
>broken times before. There is a little disturbance in the energy field
>above that place. Or when a woman is in her menstruation cycle you also
>can check via aura.) It was very interesting to find out those things,
>because we had no experience and worked mostly by trial and error.

I've always had an affinity for MZB's work, and the descriptions of the
forces being manipulated. It's easy for me to understand the concept of
"energons" and of course it equates very well with the chakras. One day
I'll have to tak to MZB about this, provided she's healthy enough to make
the next Grand Council meeting out here. Her health just hasn't been the
same since the strokes.

What you've done is fascinating, and I, for one, would appreciate hearing
more about the work you and your circle are doing.

>Hope I satified your curiosity!

You did. Danke schoen.

>Adelandeyo - and walk in the Light
>
>                                 Stayka

And you also.

Bb,
Corun


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From: lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: nuclear
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:22:06 GMT
Organization: The Full Circle BBS, Raleigh NC - DOS/Waffle 1.65

Just to play devil's advocate: :-)

bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:
> In article <XJuqVB1w165w@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US> lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (La
> >And the fact that a fission reaction the operators lose control of can 
> >easily build to the point where it explodes or "drills" its way into the 
> >ground.  This is not good.
> 
> This is also not necessarily true.  There are several reactor designs which
> incorporate passive shutdown systems.  One I recall involved the use of 
> borated water; if the core raised too high in temperature, it would melt
> through into the borated water chamber.  There were other designs.

Sounds like a good recipe for a steam explosion.  All that heat dropping 
into a pool of water should make for a lot of very hot, very radioactive 
steam in a hurry.

> Note that I'm not saying this is completely safe, only that meltdown is
> much less likely with these designs than standard ones.  Trouble is, most
> reactors were built before people really knew what they were doing (it
> can be argued we still don't).

I'll agree with this.  It's like we are learning how to deal with fire all 
over again except this time you can do more than just burn yourself or your 
hut down.

> Incidentally, a nuclear fission explosion requires a very rapid assembly
> of material; a nuclear reactor cannot undergo a nuclear explosion.

Well, I wasn't necessarily thinking of a nuclear explosion, more like a 
steam explosion or what happened at Chernobyl.

Lance

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From: michael@marcel.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: THE book on Mithraic Mysteries
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:09:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University

As promised, here is the full title, etc., of the book I'd spoken of.

The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries:
Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World.

by David Ulansey

New York: Oxford Univeristy Press, 1989.


Ciao,
Chaplin.
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From: trd54583@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (NM156)
Subject: Re: druid tree talking
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:55:04 GMT

bast@wam.umd.edu (Jaguar) writes:
>	Perhaps you could try this, and mentaly try to merge with the tree you
>are attempting to contact. Best try it in the spring though. 
>Winter makes trees a bit on the comatose side of life... at least in my 
>experience.

Mentally merging with a tree is quite a nice feeling. I did this once while 
camping in southern Illinois. I leaned up against a tree (a lone conifer
amongst a stand of decidous trees) with my back toward it; i put my hands 
against it's trunk. I imagined what it was like to be a tree: being rooted
in the ground...drinking water with your roots...water travelling up my trunk.
Suddenly, i figure i had drawn enough energy up into me, that i (in my mind's
eye) looked down and saw that i had become part of the tree. I remember looking
down at the ground from a great height...in the distance, i heard some small
animals running through the brush. Granted, this lasted only a few seconds, but
i remember it quite vividly. Slowly, i came back to being just me standing
there against the tree. 
Perhaps the tree did tell me something: I got the clear impression that trees,
or at least that one, were gaurdians of some sort. I can only hypothesize as
to what they are gaurding; however, i am working on it. }:)

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From: martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ok)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: On an up note,
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:29:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

what is it about where you life that suits you as who you would basically
describe yourself as?  what makes it a place that pagans feel comfy in, or
what spirit moves you in your area, some vista, or some attitude, or what?

mostly aimed at the good things, in order to perhaps see what niches pagan-
types are finding, and how they like them.

for me, Austin is a wonderful oasis in Texas, with so many shapes, sizes and
flavors of people as to make ones mouth water.  Hills, creeks, and greenbelts
to bike you buns away (or just people watch).  People hold conversations with
cats and dogs.  The one good look I've had over the area of the university
was more tree than rooftop.  We dont really have any tourist attractions other
than the capitol, and that isnt that thrilling.  (hopefully our convention
center will be a bust and the developers will find better money elsewhere)..

and you?
sheil,
dancer with dogs (just mine, really.. and she boxes, too!)
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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: pagan origin of Christmas customs?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:32:19 UTC

In article <Bz3vzM.DCv@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com writes:
>Around Halloween, someone in my town wrote a letter to the editor
>complaining that Halloween (a high holiday for pagan/satanists)
>was used as a motif in the local schools without mentioning just
>how evil it is.  As a response I have been toying with the idea
>of writing a letter mentioning the source of so many of the
>Christmas customs that are practiced in this country.  So the
>question is: Does anyone have any specific information about
>the pagan origin of Christmas?  I know about the tree, the
>mistletoe and the yule log, but I don't know what their *specific*
>origin is.  Also what, if any, other customs that are practiced
>have their origins in pagan worship?
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is pretty much a thorn in the side of most Christians because they
so desperately what Christmas to be a Christian holiday while the truth
is that the only thing Christian about Christmas is that they changed
the name of the various pagan celebrations of winter solstice to
Christmas, thus in effect stealing the pagan holidays. The Christian
Bible says that Jesus was born at the time that new lambs are born,
that's spring.
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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Looking for names of gods and goddesses for baby
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:22:47 GMT


I am of the opinion that naming people (whether children or adults) after 
God/desses is arrogance.  Giving the child a magical middle name makes sense
to me, but there are gazillions of magical names that aren't God/desses.  Try
names of trees, rocks, natural phenomena, etc.

All IMO, of course.

Enjoy the journey!

                      --Br'anArthur

                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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"We are secretly replacing the fine quartz crystals this medicine pouch maker
usually uses with Folgers crystals.  Let's see what happens...."
                                      --DACCrowell
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From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Happy Holidays!
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:02:21 GMT

I suppose I'm not the only one who'll be absent from the net for awhile,
but I thought I'd drop a line and say Happy Holidays or < insert favorite
pagan holiday here >! so nobody will think I'm ignoring their posts.

I'll be back on January 4th, so if you need to reach me, hit my e-mail 
at altheimm@csus.edu. Ciaran, Janis, Corun, ailsa, alizard, Wolfe, everybody
have a enjoyable, relaxing and safe holiday. 

papwada chonk-hwue to all, and to all a good night.

Murray

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From: saintjx@redorc.chi.il.us (Andy Swehttam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Welcome to the real world...
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:52:53 GMT
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network


So now we know what has to be done as far as choice is concerned...
There are distinct repercussions (sp?) of going against the natural flow of
things, whether you call it Tao, Gaia, Eris, Discordia, Slack, or "God"

I think that the reason that you find a MAJORITY of those unhappy with what
life deals them are those usually involved in some fundamentalist Christianity
that places too much faith on a higher being.

These people would much rather blame God than themselves for not watching where
they were going and tripping over a rock.. you see it happen all the time.

Therefore, because of the tendency for those in organized relgions to blame
their collective deity for things gone wrong, I choose to be solitary in my
pagan beliefs, blaming only myself for the things that are my fault, and for
the rest, just figuring that shit happens sometimes. I've found peace through
using that philosophy, while others can not.

I guess it is just the herd conformity drive in most people. But, if they are
"happy" (it's hard to think so at times) with blaming the blameless, then so
mote it be so will it be.

It is a choice, and there are outside forces with sometimes influence the
choice that needs to be made, however, some degree of choice still exists, and
I think that is what you will find at the bottom of the discussion.

        As with every discussion, you will find a compromise.

Blessed be, and so long it harms none, do as you will.
Slack. 
$aint Reverend Jonas Xavier Ogyr Virus PhD MD STD
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Recycling,
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:42:57 PST

Re: Re: Recycling,
 
> From: patrickm@netlink.cts.com (Patrick McKinnion)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: Recycling,
>    While on the comment of recycling items concidered to be 
> "unrecyclable", my school, (Grossmont College, El Cajon, CA), just 
> repaved all the campus roads using asphalt made from old auto tyres.
>    What would be the potential for using ground porcelain in a simular 
> road-concept ??  (example; Replacing the sand in concrete, or as a fill 
> material in road construction ??

Do we wind up with a net energy savings or a net loss? Offhand I would guess
that we would wind up with a net energy savings if we used the porcelain as
fill material in road construction, and a net loss if we used it to replace
sand in concrete (substantial energy cost in grinding porcelain into powder)

Do we have any civil engineers on this newsgroup in a position to comment?
blessings
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:18:51 PST

Re: Re: Who are we kidding?
 
> From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
> >The past gives us every reason to believe that this expansion of
> >the middle class will continue unabated, given the additional wealth
> >needed to support that expansion. Oh, not fairly; exploiting space
> >doesn't guarantee fairness, it only encourages it, by providing enough
> >wealth for everybody. But being an imperfect species with an imperfect
> >civilization, I'm sure there will be some parts of the world that derive
> >more benefit than others. But more people, a larger percentage of the
> >human population, will start living in comfort.
> This sounds like trickle-down economics to me.. anybody else get this?
> Do I get this right? You believe that making the middle class wealthier
> is going to benifit the underpriviledged?

Note the phrase "EXPAND THE MIDDLE CLASS"? Anything which allows members
of the underprivileged to JOIN the middle class will certainly benefit
the people who manage it. Anything that drastically increases the tax base
also increases the money available for programs that benefit the
underpriviliged ranging from government program funding (budget cuts are the
dominant element in government these days) for income transfer programs to
educational funding to allow the poor to get the education needed to
get the jobs needed to join the middle class (the other problem with improving
inner city education is that even if these kids DO get an education, the
jobs aren't there. A space industry that can hire a few million people means
a quite a few less poor people) to more money for private charities to
spend on them.

I suggest you contrast this with the impact of the "Age of Limits" derived
scenarios so popular around here.
blessings
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:06:20 GMT

barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:

>In article <Bz3LMr.5vA@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>>barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>>
>>This sounds like trickle-down economics to me.. anybody else get this?
>>Do I get this right? You believe that making the middle class wealthier
>>is going to benifit the underpriviledged?

>	Yeah, I do. And if you want a label to scare liberals with,
>"trickle-down economics" is half-hearted; we're talking laissez-faire
>capitalism here, a true free market. Count on the probability of new
>robber barons in our future.

You sure say a lot of stuff to answer a simple question. If you really believe
that somehow the world is going to change and that the rich getting richer
is going to bring up the poor, then my opinion is that you haven't been
paying attention. Forget the labels and the political jargon. Look around
you. 

al

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origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished
from the true accounts which it invents later." -- Ambrose Bierce
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