HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Feasible?? DOS-PC SCSI CD-ROM players hanging off Sparcstations?
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:39:06 GMT
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.

One thing that's a bit odd is that apparently Sun and DEC CD-ROM players
are interchangeable. I personally have installed SunOS 4.1.2 using a
DEC player and a codefendant here at work has installed Ultrix using
a Sun CDROM. The caddys are different, of course, but apart from that...

Anyway, you might give DEC a call and see if theirs are any cheaper.

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From: weingart@inf.ethz.ch (Tobias Weingartner)
Subject: Re: Help with lost file (PLEASE)
Followup-To: comp.unix.admin
Keywords: /dev/raw
Reply-To: weingart@inf.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:51:48 GMT

|> Being a curious one, I checked the behaviour of 'rm' on our HP 9000/400
|> with HPUX. After removing a file I inspected the inode with 'fsdb' and
|> discoverd that even the pointers to the datablock were zeroed. Also
|> (with the long filesystem on HPUX) the inode-number in the directory
|> is zeroed. So, if you want to reconstruct a file on HPUX you are
|> pretty stuck. I don't want to sift through megabytes of data to
|> collect all blocks belonging to my files.

Well, if it is a text file, this little trick sometimes works...

/usr/ucb/more /dev/rdisk
/some thing at the start of the file

Where /dev/rdisk is the partition you had the file
on.  Of course, all the files I have gotten back this
way were fairly short (~1k - ~4k).  Not recommended,
but if you just lost you only copy, it's worth a try.

--Toby.

BTW:

On a 1-2Gig disk this can take quite some time ;)
From: mattm@snet.sandr.com (Matt Mosley)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: version control software
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:05:52 GMT
Organization: What, you think we're organized?

allen@geac.com (Allen Septon) writes:

> 
> We are looking into version control software. We would like a product that
> runs both under DOS and UNIX. The product should handle revision control
> for both ASCII and BINARY files.

Try looking for BSD RCS, I've seen a port of it for DOS, and the Unix 
version runs well - and, best of all, it's free software.

Matt

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From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: EXABYTE Tape costs
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.135241.6977@terminator.cc.umich.edu> metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
|Here at UM, the standard operating procedure for buying
|Exabyte 8mm tapes is to get them from University Stores.
|University Stores, however, charges $22 each for them.
|Is this reasonable, or ridiculous?  If it is ridiculous,
|can someone pass along a mail-order source from whom they
|can be obtained more cheaply?  $22 a tape seems like a
|lot . . .

When I bought some (direct from Exabyte), they were $35 each. 

Most people stop by the local video store, and pick up name-brand
tapes (not data certified). Those seem to work well; at least,
I've never heard of any problems with them. 


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From: alex@am.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,sublink.rec.funny
Subject: Re: Floppy Disk Labels
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:14:16 GMT
Organization: Premiata Famiglia Martelli & Figli

ahd@apollo.sunquest.com (Arthur H. Dyer) writes:
	...
:>But the authors assured him he had nothing to be embarassed about.  After all,
:>the document was intended for novices, and they were grateful for being taught
:>that you should assume _nothing_ when dealing with beginners.

:>Hmm.  Maybe this thread really belongs in comp.human-factors?  :-)

Maybe!  But meanwhile I can't resist any more relating a similar
problem which really occurred to me a few years back... I had set
up an image acquisition station for a research laboratory; one
mounted a write-enabled tape spool in a dedicated tape drive, the
image to be digitized in the microdensitometer, and had to type a
few commands at the console of the dedicated mini driving it all,
to give a few parameters of the digitizing operation.  I wrote what
I believed were VERY clear instructions on how to operate the thing
(otherwise I would be sure to be called in every time), and tested
them first on a secretary.  She immediately showed me the first
problem with the way my instructions were worded: "Mount the tape
spool in the drive", she read, and she did so, but then the
instructions continued, "after removing the ring" -- alas, once
the tape spool was mounted, the write-protection ring was not
accessible any more (by design of those tape-spool units), so she
had to unmount the spool!  My fault of course, so I rephrased:
"After removing the ring, mount the tape spool in the drive", and
re-tested, this time with a fairly senior computer scientist of the
lab as my guinea pig.  "After removing the ring", he read, and,
with a slightly perplexed expression to his face, proceeded to
remove his wedding ring from his finger (thinking perhaps of some
static-discharge risk?-) before continuing to read...

You can bet that ALL operating instructions I have written since
then have been HEAVILY laced with redundancy and warnings not to
proceed until all the steps have been read through!
-- 
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From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Can't resolv host localhost
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:08:23 GMT


On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:15:24 GMT, gordon@ug.cs.dal.ca (Scott King) said:

 S> Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca

 S> I am trying to apply the fix to libc.so.*.*.* so that it will use
 S> the DNS resolver routines to do hostname/address lookups via the
 S> Domain Name Service.  I am able to use DNS after the fix but I can't
 S> start OpenWindows.  It keeps giving me an error message saying
 S> something like "Can't resolve host localhost".  Localhost is set up
 S> properly in the hosts file but the hosts file does not seem to be
 S> used for anything after the DNS fix (everything uses DNS).  

	(I'm assuming a Sun of some flavor here)

	After you patch libc, you no longer use /etc/hosts for
resolution, but hand all requests to the DNS(s) specified in
resolv.conf.  If you don't particularly care about that, all is well.
I, on the other hand, prefer to add aliases for often-used hosts
(abbreviations for hosts I log into frequently, nicknames for local
machines, nntp-read, etc.), so I use my machine as a local caching yp
server (the only one at this site) and have the machines I work with use
it, and all is well.  The -d switch is erroneously documented as as
forcing DNS use rather than NIS.  Actually, chance the Makefile in
/var/yp, uncommenting the B=-b flag, and run ypinit -m and all should be
fine.

	Of course, should you wish to avoid yp altogether and still use
/etc/hosts, you'll have to write your own resolving routines and add
them to libc as you did before.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
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From: "Eric Wei" <p00108@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: modem setup in /etc/remote and /etc/acucap
Organization: CompuTop Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:28:23 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

In article <2927052726.5.p00108@psilink.com> you write:
>
>
>>	Make sure you have
>	     		sr=\rAT\r\d:
>			ss=OK:         in your /etc/remote.

> These aren't documented in my man pages for tip or remote. I'm
> currently waiting for 4.1.3 and am running 4.1.0 (believe it or not)
> on my IPC. Are these undocumented features, docemented elswhere, or
> part of the newer OS?


	Oops! When I said "in your /etc/remote", I really mean "in your
	/etc/acucap".  YES, sr and ss should be within the modem (whichever
	you selected) definition in acucap.

	Ex. 
	If I select Hayes-V to be the modem type in my /etc/remote. Then,
	ss and sr should be attached to the Hayes-V's def. in the 
	/etc/acucap.
From: robert@CAM.ORG (Robert Masse)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: TimeOut Inactive User
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:29:37 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada


   Simply make a script that checks the IDLE field using awk. 
If it is > then a certain number, kill his shell.

Rob
From: klaassen@wolfgang.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Othmar Klaassen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: No Directory! Logging in with HOME=/
Date: 6 Oct 1992 08:54:27 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wolfgang

In article <04o1Hjwgy9@atlantis.psu.edu>, barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
|> You could try actually making the home directory for each user.
|> Alternatively, you could make it a link to /tmp.  (for example if
|> user baz's home directory is /home/foo/baz, then make a directory
|> /home/foo, and link baz to /tmp)
|> 

Sorry that I am not able to test it before posting, but there 
might be some dot-files (at least for some Unices / shells /...)
like .login or .cshrc I definitely wouldn't like to exist in /tmp,
created by some bad guy, when I rlogin to this machine.

Wouldn't this open security holes, even if some dot-files
are tested for ownership before reading?

|> --Dave
|> -- 

greetings,

Othmar
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From: metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler)
Subject: EXABYTE Tape costs
Organization: University of Michigan Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:52:41 GMT

Here at UM, the standard operating procedure for buying
Exabyte 8mm tapes is to get them from University Stores.
University Stores, however, charges $22 each for them.
Is this reasonable, or ridiculous?  If it is ridiculous,
can someone pass along a mail-order source from whom they
can be obtained more cheaply?  $22 a tape seems like a
lot . . .

		-- Chris
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From: herman@nosc.mil (John W. Herman)
Subject: Re: EXABYTE Tape costs
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:55:58 GMT

jdell@golda.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe) writes:

>On 30 Sep 92 13:52:41 GMT, metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) said:

>> $22 a tape seems like a lot . . .

>> 		-- Chris

>Well, if you are buying data grade tapes, then $22 isn't too bad, but I think
>Inmac sells them in the $18-$20 range.  But if you want a dramatic decrease in
>price you can buy the audio grade tapes.  These tapes, which we buy from J&R
>Music, are selling for about $5 per tape.

>John
>--

There was a big computer supply place in Redwood City that had good
prices on tapes.  Can't remember the name, now.  Haven't bought tapes 
in a couple of years.
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From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Re: Floppy Disk Labels
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:04:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.112438.15969@husc3.harvard.edu> joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) writes:
>>
>>Can you provide information about when and where this happened? Did you
>>personally observe this? I'd like to find out if this has more than urban
>>legend status...
>


Even better one, and it's true too (ie. saw it personally).  Northern
Telecom, 1985.  I won't name names to save them the embarassment.

We'd just got HP-150 computers in.  Nice little systems with those brand
new 3.5" diskettes.  The diskettes were an improvement... small enough
to fit in a shirt pocket, so that's what everybody did.

Well, at Northern Telecom, you had to wear your ID badge around the plant.
And the company had these nifty plastic badge holders which you clipped 
onto your shirt pocket front via a magnet...

:-(  :-(   :-(     :-(

Andy
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From: jdell@golda.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.sun.admin
Subject: Re: EXABYTE Tape costs
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:19:11 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

On 30 Sep 92 13:52:41 GMT, metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) said:

> Here at UM, the standard operating procedure for buying
> Exabyte 8mm tapes is to get them from University Stores.
> University Stores, however, charges $22 each for them.
> Is this reasonable, or ridiculous?  If it is ridiculous,
> can someone pass along a mail-order source from whom they
> can be obtained more cheaply?  $22 a tape seems like a
> lot . . .

> 		-- Chris

Well, if you are buying data grade tapes, then $22 isn't too bad, but I think
Inmac sells them in the $18-$20 range.  But if you want a dramatic decrease in
price you can buy the audio grade tapes.  I use them and haven't had a
problem, except that the drive sometimes doesn't like them when you first put
them in.  But I've never lost any data.  These tapes, which we buy from J&R
Music, are selling for about $5 per tape.

John
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From: jeff@BofA.COM (Jeff Tate)
Subject: suid OpenLook programs
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 23:23:12 GMT

If I make a program (such as snm) suid root and then run it under OW3 on SunOS 4.1.2, I get libxview.so.0 not found errors, even though ~root/.cshrc defines LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly.  All is well if I su - in a shelltool and then run the program non-suid, but it fails as suid root even if I am root!  

Wotz up??

Thanx in advance.

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From: pworthin@raisinets.den.mmc.com (Paul Worthington)
Subject: Re: XterminalServer ratio wanted
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:53:52 GMT

In article <1ad2rfINNfdc@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM (Nikita 
Motalygo) writes:
|> 
|> 	xterminals have a major impact on the net and eat up cpu time like mad!
|> 35 xterms on a 4/490 with 128Mb memory and 2X's swap could be brought to its
|> knees when I was working at XXXXX  (network co.) last year. We added another 
|> 64Mb memory and additional swap and still could hang it completely if 3-4 user 
|> were reading
|> large enough mail files.  Xterms still need some serious work before I'd use
|> them in a major way.
|> 
|> 

We daily run 35+ X terminals on an SGI 4D/340 server with 4 CPUs and "only" 96
megabytes of RAM, and the load average hangs out around > 0.40!  The network
traffic has not risen significantly since we hooked up the last 13 X terminals,
and it is hardly noticed by our network managers.  Most of our users are running
2-D CAD packages and the system blazes.  I can't believe that because your
system hangs when "3-4 users were reading large enough mail files", X terminals
are automatically the cause.

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From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Help with lost file (PLEASE)
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:11:41 GMT

In article <2410001@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> grubb@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Gary A. Grubb) writes:
>By what method are rm'd files retrieved. My understanding that when a rm is 
>done it only removed the directory link. As long a the physical location of 
>the file is not overwritten, it can be retrieved. However I do not know that
>technique. Can any one out there in netland help? Thanks in advance.

The technique would involve learning the directory structure, inode format,
and immediately shutting down the system to prevent overwriting the data
blocks. Remember, this is a multitasking/multiuser OS; it's not like DOS.
There are many things going on, including automatic log files being written.

Retrieving an erased file is best done from tape, and virtually impossible 
to do from disc.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"When we talk...7% of communication is conveyed by meaning of words, 38% from
intonation, 55%...takes the form of visual cues." John Walsh, Compression Labs
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From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum)
Subject: Re: How to stop savecore after a crash dump.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:56:10 GMT

>When a unix machine boots, how does he know there is a crash dump
>exists and savecore to vmunix.n and vmcore.n ?

	It looks for special magic numbers in the swap partition when
savecore is run from rc.local. If you want to disable savecore, just
comment it out of rc.local, where it's invoked.

mjr.
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From: nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM (Nikita Motalygo)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: XterminalServer ratio wanted
Date: 30 Sep 1992 20:31:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.ebay.sun.com


	xterminals have a major impact on the net and eat up cpu time like mad!
35 xterms on a 4/490 with 128Mb memory and 2X's swap could be brought to its
knees when I was working at XXXXX  (network co.) last year. We added another 64Mb memory and additional swap and still could hang it completely if 3-4 user were reading
large enough mail files.  Xterms still need some serious work before I'd use
them in a major way.


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From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: crontab disabled?
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.203453.14960@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfwpm@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Bill McGown) writes:
>On one system here at EIU crontab has been "restricted" so that
>it is not available to regular users. The reason given is that
>it has the potential to interfere with backups. Is this a real
>concern (i.e., can it do so)? If it can screwup backups is there
>some fix/patch/kludge that can avoid the problem?

BS. User crontabs can't interfere with system crontabs; what you have
is an ignorant or asinine person in control of the system. 

If this were a problem, wouldn't *all* the systems at EIU have crontab
"restricted"? You only indicate this is the case on one....

Fix this by getting someone with a clue to take care of the system.

-- 

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The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"...I looked out my window, and saw Kyle Pettys' car upside down, then I
From: cooper@plains.NoDak.edu (Jeff Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: ftp site needed for SCO v3.2.2 binaries
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:13:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20846
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Does anyone know of any sites that have SCO v3.2.2 binaries?  I'm
looking for GNU tar specifically and since I don't have the developers
edition of the OS, I need binaries...

Thanks for any pointers offered!

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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Preliminary info on ATI "Mach 32" graphics cards
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:46:44 GMT

I have received the first marketbabble on the next generation of
8514/A graphics cards from ATI.

ATI has named its graphics processor/accelerator the "mach 32". Their own
"statistics" peg their products at more than three times the speed
of the S3-based Diamond Stealth, and 10 times faster than Tseng 4000 SVGA.

There are two cards in the new series, the main difference being speed
and some features. I am not sure if the current cards are being phased
out, or merely dropped in price. (Expect the street price on the
Graphics Vantage to drop under $200US).

The cheaper/slower of the new duo, the Graphics Ultra+, replaces the
Graphics Vantage, at its old price. It is rated at 21.0M "winmarks"
(whatever that is), and offers either 65,000 colours at 1024x768 or
16.7M colours at 800x600.

Replacing the Graphics Ultra is the Graphics Ultra Pro, at about the
same price. In addition to the features of the Ultra+, it offers
1280x1024 at 256 colours non-interlaced, and faster (25.5M winmarks)
operation. This card is slated to be available for EISA and MicroChannel
later this year.

Both boards have integral mice and conventional VGA, refresh rates
to 76Hz, and are available in 1MB and 2MB versions. It is claimed
to be driver-compatible with earlier ATI cards.

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