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From: lordnose@well.sf.ca.us (Lord Nose!)
Subject: Xochi Stack 1.0 (MDMA/LSD/XOCHIPILLI)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:41:04 GMT

Xochi Stack 1.0 (ALT.DRUGS ANNOUNCEMENT)
---------------

Xochi Stack 1.0 is a HyperCard stack on the psychedelics that runs 
on the Macintosh computer. Profiled in this educational stack are 
MDMA and LSD, as well as an Aztec deity devoted to traditional 
sacred plants of Mexico.  You can find a copy of the stack, in five 
pieces, in <comp.binaries.mac>. Feel free to copy the software for 
friends, put on FTP sites, BBSs, et cetera, but you do not have the 
right to sell copies of this copyrighted material. If you can help 
put the stack out there, on FTP sites or whatever, please contact us!
A version for Windows is in the works...

Xochi Stack 1.0 is a public service message from LordNose!, and 
(c) 1992 LordNose! Donations of 400K diskettes greatly appreciated.

We're not advocating illegal drug use, just giving some factual
grounding to the population that already uses these compounds and
to counter some of the poisonous propaganda out there.  Most of the
information circulating is erroneous, emphasizing either the simple
hedonistic aspects of particular substances, or warning of the 
ominous consequences of their use.

	lordnose@well.sf.ca.us

"THE ADVANCEMENT AND DIFFUSION OF KNOWLEDGE IS THE ONLY 
 GUARDIAN OF TRUE LIBERTY." -- James Madison, 4th US President
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:38:34 GMT


 About the gun control think I started:

 OK, goddammit, I hate Democrats (the party I mean) and I hate Republicans
even more (just because). They are both worthless parties and I refuse to
vote for either one of them. Even though it looks like Marrou won't be
elected, I will most likely vote for him because it's more within my
principles. Then when either asshole is in office, I can say, "I didn't
vote for the bastard!" and take whatever action necessary to keep my
freedoms that the Constitution _doesn't_ and _can't_ guarantee. (Our
Constitution is a mockery and has never been applied the way it should be.
paper does not guarantee freedoms...)
 Perhaps my earlier babblings were a tad askew. I've always been
frustrated that the Libertarian party hssn't gotten its balance yet. I'll
be glad when thewy finally catch hold of the voting public. Their being
refused entry in the debates, in my opinion, was illegal, pure and simple.


St. Anthony

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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:03:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <machman.718910906@milton> <1992Oct13.004342.4567@henson.cc.wwu.edu>

machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:

>As a supporter of his, I was disappointed in Clinton's response.  "The 
>criminal justice system saved my brother's life", indeed.  Many other
>people's lives are being ruined by it and the civil courts.  

>My only sense of comfort with Clinton on this issue is that he is young.  
>Perhaps he can change his attitude over time.  It depends a great deal on 
>the social climate.  If Clinton took less than a hard-line stance against
>"the evils of drugs", he would not be elected.  That is not his fault,
>it is society's.
   
            
                "Never give a sucker an even break."

                                --P.T. Barnum


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.com  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat)
Subject: Correction to Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:03:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns


In <1992Oct14.162315.11260@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> it states:

|YES, I believe Carol Moseley Braun intentionally defrauded Public
|Aid in Illinois.

|I base this on the following chain of logic [Any flaws in this
|reasoning will be appreciated.]

|Ms. Braun's mother signed the check over the Carol Braun.

|Now, someone once told me this after taking a business law course
|in college:

|	Q: If someone endorses a check over to someone else, who
|	   then cashes it, and the check bounces, can the person
|	   who cashed the check sue the issuer of the check for
|	   money?
	
|	A: NO. The contract that was broken was between the person
|	   who endorsed the check over and the person who cashed
|	   it.
	
|This means that when Carol Moseley Braun wrote up the agreement
|which her mother signed, which stipulated that Carol Braun would

The last portion was inadvertantly deleted, so here it is:

handle the cash, a contract existed in which Mrs. Moseley acknowledged
she had the assets to cover the check.

That change in assets by law MUST be reported to IL Public Aid.

It must be reported to Public Aid so they can spend it to recover
the costs TAXPAYERS paid to care for Ms. Braun's mother.

Carol Moseley Braun wrote the document her mother signed in order
to keep the $28,750 in her family, and thereby prevent Public
Aid from recovering some of the costs for caring for her mother.

Some folks I know said, 'Well, everyone does it', others said, 'That's
all they got on her, so I'm voting for her.'

Perhaps. Just remember when the time came to own up to HER 
responsibilities as a Citizen of the State of Illinois, she chose
a circuitous route to avoid the payment of funds for PERSONAL
ENRICHMENT.
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:59:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.204658.11871@newstand.syr.edu>, greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:
|> 
|> I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual favors
|> in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to discriminate
|> on any basis, including race, color, creed, religion, etc., and that they
|> should be able to use public whippings as a disciplinary measure (provided
|> that their employess agree to this upon being hired--of course, they won't
|> be hired if they don't agree...)

Certainly; of course, the legality of a requirement for physical punishment
is suspect even under a libertarian system (indeed, it would not be allowed
by most libertarians).

Now that you have my answer, I would like honest, rational answers from you to
three questions:

	Would you work for this employer?

	Do you think this employer would be successful in hiring talented,
	productive individuals in sufficient quantity to remain competitive?

	Given that such practices would be publically known, do you think
	such an employer would be sucessful in attracting purchasers of
	his goods and/or services to the extent that his business would thrive
	and grow?

-- 
Dave Waller
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin)
Subject: Re: WARNING ON NITROUS OXIDE
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:35:18 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

9106027l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

>Well, after takin many a  nitrous trip, I warn all of you to

>stop, as it is making me go brain dead!

In the face of such compelling, well-documented evidence concerning the
dangers of nitrous abuse, I don't see how anyone in their right mind would
want to even try the stuff.

thanks for a great service.

-vince
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: GQ article "Nerd in Paradise" - pointer please
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:29:29 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Stephan Meyers) writes:
>
>	Someone posted an article from GQ magazine about drug use in 
>silicon valley - it may have been called "Nerds in Paradise".  If someone
>could please email me a pointer to the issue, it would be appreciated.
>Thanks.

     The June 91 issue, p. 96.

     The title is "Valley of the Nerds". A copy is in my drug politics
archive: ftp flubber.cs.umd.edu, directory other/tms/drug.politics.

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From: cannabis@west.darkside.com (Cannabis Kid)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Libertarians
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:57:53 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM


 
I realize this is a waste of Alt.drugs bandwith, but my site dosn't carry 
the correct one (if there is)

I seek information on the Libertarian party in general their platform, 
history, how to join, who to contact to join etc... This information id 
for my self and for my Social Studies teacher (in my High School) who 
knew nothing about them and will give me extra-credit points (enough to 
put me passing =) for any information .. also I wish to join (I recently 
turned 18 so I'm voting in Nov')
 
sorry for the improper post, please, no flames =)

answer in E-mail
please
From: Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD and memory
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:18:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Can anyone comment on this topic? Does anyone claim their memory to have
improved due to LSD, or deteriorated?

Thanks for reading.

Marc


--
Marc North  --  The Lanceholder's Group
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: PKJAMES@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: safrole-sassafras
    <1992Oct13.130317.250@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:34:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.130317.250@linus.mitre.org>
lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Oct10.024727.5533@menudo.uh.edu>, st1o5@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>>Saw some discussion a ways back on extracting safrole from sassafras.
>>My question is, what does this stuff do?  I've used sassafras on
>>occasion to make tea and once or twice ended up feeling kind of
>>giddy.  Is there something else to this stuff that I've been missing?
>>If so, lemme know, I have some in the freezer.
>
>Rumor has it safrole is a precursor to MDMA.
>
>Keith Lewis
 
 
I've never heard of the essential oil being psychoactive.  It is very
structurally like MDA and MDMA without the amphetamine side chain and
somewhat like mescaline as well.  In the late sixties there was a good
deal of research on adding amphetamine side chains to various methoxy,
methylenedioxy benzenes, many of which were psychoactive.  I believe you
might find more information about it in NATURE magazine going for the
latter half of the sixties.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: ACETYLENE ANESTHESIA?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:44:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.171539.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>   I remember reading some years back in an encylcopedia about the early use
>of acetylene as an anesthetic? Anyone know any more about this?

I think you're thinking of cyclopropane.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jannotj@reis60.alleg.edu (Jason Jannot)
Subject: Re: making tea
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:26:08 GMT

In article <cavasin.719080299@muse> cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin)  
writes:
> A Godless heathen drug-crazed friend of mine is thinking about making  
some
> herbal tea with our favorite herb.  Is this an effective method of  
ingesting
> it? have any of you godless heathen druggies ever tried it?  How much  
should
> he used and how long should he boil it?
> 
> thanks,
> vince

My roommate during my sophomore year at college made it a few times.  It  
was interesting and different than smoking.  
	As far as how he did it...funny, I can't remember.  It seemed to  
take a lot to do the trick.  He also made tea from mushrooms which seemed  
pleasing as well, but I never tried it.
	Good luck
	j
From: jeff+@pitt.edu (Jefferson Provost)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:02:20 GMT
Organization: Society for Visual Lunacy

In article <1992Oct7.222330.5535@tamsun.tamu.edu> ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault) writes:
>
>   Does anyone really think that the musical 'Hair' could have
>been written without access to psychoactive experiences?  Does
>anyone really think that the teevee show 'Northern Exposure'
>would have its current flavor, or would even have been produced,
>if personal use of cannabis were not legal in Alaska recently?
>

Ok, I'll bite.  What's the connection between Northern Exposure and
marijuana?  I've only seen 7 or 8 episodes (I don't own a TV) but it's
one of my favorite shows.  What did I miss?

>   If you ansered no to either question, then you acknowledge that
>psychoactive drug experiences have cultural rammifications.  If
>you answered yes to both, then it is incumbent upon you to
>explain the fantastic irrationality, and fanatical implacability
>of the drug warrior bigots.  These characteristics, (irrationality,
>implacability), are usually associated with racial and ethnic 
>hatred.
>

So what you're saying is that because drug warriors have some attributes
that are usually associated with cultural hatred, that it must be that
the WoD is a form of cultural hatred?   I don't think this is
necessarily true.  More reasonable, I think, is that those attributes
(irrationality, implacability) are both attributes of fanatacism, and
that cultural and ethnic bigotry, and WoD are both forms of fanatacism.

I agree that drug use has cultural ramifications, but that doesn't mean
that drug users are a culture.  The use of automobiles has had immense
cultural ramifications, but I don't believe that people who drive cars
have their own culture.

Jeff
(jeff+@pitt.edu)

ps - this is just going to degenerate into an argument over the
definition of "culture", isn't it?
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jefferson Provost --  jeff@unix.cis.pitt.edu

Nothin' left to do but :-) ;-) :-)
From: 471-5@air.atmo.arizona.edu (Shane Jimerfield)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Inner Center
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:27:33 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Oct9.035653.20776@muddcs.claremont.edu> ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff) writes:
>Last I heard from net.reports was that inner city was no longer selling
>5meo-DMT.  Does anyone have any personal experience with this?

yes I think that's correct...however it is still a sacrament of their
church and remains unscheduled...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:20:42 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <1992Oct7.011148.28464@u.washington.edu> lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>I think we need a better term for these than "Flashbacks".  This 
>phenomina seems to be in the same realm as state-dependent learning --
>only its your mind learning a state and learning how to move yourself
>somewhat into that state without chemicals.

YES! This is something that I've seen in myself a LOT over the past year or
so. I've been smoking pot occasionally for a few years, I first used acid a
little over a year ago, and I've been meditating on a semi-daily basis
since February. Each of these has opened up new realms for me, which I have
subsequently been able to enter *without* the use of drugs.

I see this as a "pointing the way to the door" type phenomenon. I can't
find the door in the dark. But then I get pushed through it (via a drug or
mediation or whatever). I then a) know the door is there, b) know (some of)
what is on the other side, and c) can maybe get back there on my own.

One of the first things I noticed about my first trip (old-timers may
remember my confused post about it a year or so ago, when I asked what the
effects should be) was shimmering on the ceiling. Well, I can now lie on my
bed at home, and within ~30sec or so, I can make the ceiling shimmer. I
sure couldn't do this last year! Is this a case of "flashbacks" or, as
Lamont says, "state-dependent learning"? I've put a fair bit of thought
into it, and I believe it's the latter.

Just rambling.... --Erik

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From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,bionet.neuroscience,sci.med,sci.bio
Subject: Affecting hallucinations via other drugs
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:39:51 EST
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

        Hello. I was considering the Hasashin (sp, I know), a group in the
middle ages of assasins whose loyalty was insured through an interesting
(and unethical) usage of drugs. The candidate was knocked out, placed in a
lush garden-type setting with women (it was all-men), opiates, etc.
available. They were then, after a fun time, knocked out again. They were
told that if they died while completing a mission, they would be
transported to this heaven forever.
        I started wondering what the effects of combining hallucinogens
and pleasurable drugs would be. In other words, could one influence the
course of the "trip" by taking other drugs along with it? (BTW, I'm not
planning on taking such a trip myself, as people familiar with me could
predict in any event).
        There are some combos that I'd suspect would be dangerous. PCP and
anything that acted like a depressant, including opiates, for instance.
Another would be that one hallucinogen that I believe (I may be
mis-recalling this) works via blocking enzymatic digestion of epinepherine
(Adrenalin) with any stimulant. Others? I don't know enough neuroscience,
brain biochem, etc., to predict.
        Thanks,
        -Allen

P.S. BTW, if you're taking it off of sci.med and sci.bio, please mail me a
copy; I don't have the time to read the other groups, I simply thought
they'd be interested.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: caffeine (concentrations)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 05:57:19 GMT


     Barque's root beer does have caffein on the list of ingredients.  I
wouldn't count on any brand not having it unless I read the ingredients
before I used it.
From: honig@anita.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Destructive Drug Rehab programs
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:24:33 GMT

 tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>>
>>	I friend of mine (not a close friend-- a close friend's SO.) is
>>leaving for drug rehab. on Monday. I'm concerned, and I'm hoping that this
>>program isn't bad for the patient..
>>	The program involved is called Parkside, and she will leave Monday,
>>and she can't take phone calls or visitors (maybe visits from relatives, but
>>no visits allowed from my friend her SO.) but letters are allowed.  I don't
>>know the extent of her problem..
>>	Anyway, does anyone know anything about Parkside in Highland Park,
>>Illinois? Is it good? I sure as hell hope it's good..
>


Your friend can write off his SO now... since your friend will be painted
as part of your SO's former evil life... and the SO will be encouraged to
get your friend into the program too.

Letter will be read by several people before the SO.

If the SO is over 18, they may still have rights; but usually the
program people will give an either or choice: do our plan full-out,
no visitors, etc, or get out, and go to hell.

Have a nice day.

--
David "Dances with Motion Sensors" Honig

"Everybody here is part of my work.  Even those who don't want to be are
part of my work." ---Christo
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 10:09:23 -0400 
From: "Charles D. Nichols" <cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide


>From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
>> Yesterday's evening news had a story about N2O actually inhibiting
>> conception.  It seems that female dental assistants have something like 
>> 40% fewer babies (when they're trying) than average women.
> 
>...from the Boston Globe, 10/1/92, page 2, Medical Notebook column by Judy 
>Foreman (written permission pending);
> 
>_Laughing gas linked to higher infertility_
> 
>Laughing gas, or nitrous oxide, is no laughing matter, says an article in 
>this week's New England Journal of Medicine.
----More stuff deleted



I had an interesting talk with a professor here in my department about
ways to anesthetise Drosophila.  We use CO2, and if you gas the flies
long enough they will become sterile.  The posibility of N2O came up to
gas them.  Apparently N2O has been found to inhibit the 9/2 structure
from forming in flagellar structures throughout the body.  As you can
imagine, this would have serious consequences!  The sperm taken from men
after a prolonged exposure to N2O (in a dentist office or something)
were imotile, and remained that way until new sperm formed without the
influence of N2O.  As I said, this was all related to me by a proffesor
here whom I would tend to believe.

CDN
__________________________________________________________
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Carnegie-Mellon University Biology                   
cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu                                                    
                                            
                                                 
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