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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes (by Watterson)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:39:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: You forgot one!

In article <1714klINNab9@agate.berkeley.edu> mikebcg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft) writes:
>They are, in this order:
>
>Calvin and Hobbes
>Somehing under the bed is drooling
>Yukon Ho!
>Weirdos from another planet!
>Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons
>The Revenge of the Baby-sat

You forgot my favorite: "Scientific Progress Goes Boink!"
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Just an Idea...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:55:09 GMT

I'm a bit of a budding author who has very little time to read as voraciously 
as most of my friends who are into fantasy (scifi and sword and sorcery 
included), soI tend to follow comics.  After explaining one of my plot ideas
to a mentor of mine, he told me to stop, and simplify. 
	According to him, a creative work should do one of two things.
It should either tell a story, or carry a message.  In his experience, the
worst crap he finds is stuff that tries desperately to do both, and fails.
Only the most skilled and experience can accomplish both, without sounding
pretentious.
	As I was reading Shadowhawk, and remarking how bad it seemed, I
began to think of this.  Leifield is simply trying to tell a story, without
the "deep" message found in most Marvel titles.  (Mutant hatred, the angst
of life, and the responsibility of power are just a few examples).  
That's what the Image people are trying to do.  No major 300 issue experiments.
No grand 12 issue opus with a ticking clock on the cover.  Just a kind of
slice of life, with the exception of superpowers being present.  Looking
at the Image titles in this light, they're not half bad.  Except for 
Youngblood, that is.
	So what do y'all think?
-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_
From: fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: EQ: The Hidden Years (mild spoilers)
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:12:52 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Poster offers aside, did anyone have any opinions about the actual
comic?  It's still a little weird to see the color, but I think I
might actually like it.  And I hope Yun (Yun?  Was that her name?)
lives long enough to meet Skywise...

cheers, the curious cat
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From: khandley@amhux1.amherst.edu (Keith Handley)
Subject: Re: The Good Old Days.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:59:09 GMT

dg@heroes.UUCP (Dark Ghost) writes:
:         Being born well after Marvel Comics was established and not 
: reading comics until later in life, I think I have missed some great 
: comics.  In the "Best of Marvel Comics" some comic artists and writers 
: reflect upon their favorite comics.  It seems to me the comics of Jack 
: Kirby and Stan Lee, while having paltry art, provided better stories than 
: the comics of today.  

Not much of Kirby's art can accurately be described as "paltry."  Some of
it is, much of it is merely capable, most of it is really good, and a
good portion of it is super-duper.  The stuff that folks reminisce (sp?)
about isn't the paltry stuff, but the great stuff from the Simon & Kirby
of the late 40s-Early 50s, and the early Marvel Age stuff, like FF 1-70 or
so, and early Thor.

What you call "paltry" is what is really story-telling ability: every
page is not a splash (although Kirby was one of the originators and masters
of the splash page), and a lot of stuff can happen on one page, because
there are 8 or 9 panels.

:         The upcoming Gambit Limited Series, the Wolverine comic, X-force 
: and many other items came to be because the characters were popular.  
: [Currently t]here [are]
: [...] no human interest stories, no humble tragedies, and no heroic 
: battles.

But that does sound a lot like the FF vs. the Mole Man, FF#2, I think.
(this example just to go with the mention of Lee and Kirby above)

: I want 
: to read some good stories for a change.  Screw the art, and screw the 
: entangling plots.  Screw them to HELL!!!
: 
:         That is all.

Well, it's easy, then.  Go to your comic-book store and buy The Spirit,
by Will Eisner.  Not only are you free from multi-issue epics (there are
four 7-page stories per issue), you get good stories, and fantastic
art, to boot.  Also try the EC reprints.  Most of them are good, but
anything by Harvey Kurtzman (all of Frontline Combat, and almost all
of Two-Fisted Tales) is fantastic.

Just because good stuff isn't being created today (a major simplification
here) doesn't mean that good stuff isn't available at reasonable prices.

What you really need to do is wean yourself from Marvel.  If you MUST
have Marvel, or you MUST have Super-types, then I guess I can only suggest
some of the Marvel Masterworks volumes, particularly the Fantastic Four,
so that you'll realize that Kirby's work was far far from paltry.

Keith Handley
kehandley@amherst.edu
From: boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman questions
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:04:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug13.095248.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes...
>I also have a question about the comcic.  What is the purpose of Dreams helmet? 
>He was afraid to take it off in front of Lucifer (issue #23).  Does it prothim
>or is it just a badge of office?

According to the DC Heroes RPG, the helmet is a badge of office and allows
immunity in the legal sense while travelling in otherdimensional realms such
as Lucifer's Hell.


> 
>Chris Bjuland
> 
`Marky' Mark Boyes | Psychological Profile: Ace Rimmer meets Sean Hughes
Basement Flat      | Mantra: You can dance or you can sit and stare at the floor
28 Walton St.      | Mail: boyes@com.dec.enet.forty2   | Kinsey rating: Nobody 
Oxford, UK         | Day: 0734 206708 Night: 0865 53868|  knows I'm straight.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Date: 21 Aug 1992 00:36:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> BTW, ML is now being picked up by Dark Horse comics, but they have
> yet to reprint the "Private Eye" story (Batman Parody) which is only
> available collected from Apocalypse Press (and kind of hard to find).

Well, the Dark Horse issue that has come out was part two of the "Hateful
Dead" storyline, the first part of which was also printed exclusively by
Apocalypse.  I don't think Mills and O'Neill WANT Dark Horse reprinting
the material in the two Apocalypse books.  

It makes sense-- I'm not certain, but it appears to me that Apocalypse is
RUN by Mills & O'Neill.  Seems like they want to make as much money off
their own printings of that material as possible.

Kind of hard to find? Heck, you should get on the BALL quicker, son!  I
got mine!  Haw haw..  (?)
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Legion 92 Annual (WAS Re: ECLIPSO checklist)
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:39:09 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

I can't remember his name but he pencilled the Legion 92
Annual. I didnt buy it, just looked at it cause of the
good front cover. What is his name and what other stuff
(if any) has he done? His art was better than the 
standard Superhero art!

Jed
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: "recent romantic interest"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:37:02 GMT

	I'vce been toying with the idea that Morphy's new romantic interest
is...da da DA...Delirium.

	Yeah, I know it's a bizarre, possibly frivolous idea.  But seeing as
how insanity and imagination are often connected I don't think it's TOO
far-fetched.  And Eve did say they she didn't think that SHE was his type,
whereupon Matthew says that he didn't think he HAD a type.
	Who says the Endless are limited by incest...


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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Hellblazer/Swamp Thing query
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:25:27 GMT
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School

In article <1992Aug14.123401.10262@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.180637.8444@news.nd.edu> mkelly@twain.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>>lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>>>I know somebody posted this earlier, but...
>>>he Hellblazer GN ends with Swamp Thing confronting John Constantine.
>>>In the intro, Delano says that the plot continues on in Swamp Thing.
>>>Which issue of Swamp Thing or Hellblazer should I read next?
>>
>>Tefe is conceived in Swamp Thing 76, when Swampy is in possession of 
>>JC's body. Swampy also has a tattoo of a conifer placed on John's
>>rear end, which does show up later in Hellblazer.
>>
>>Here's Shannon D. Appel's list of JC appearances (it is a few months
>>out of date.)
>>
>>Books of Magic: #1-4
>>Hellblazer: #1-47, Annual #1
>>Sandman: #3
>>Swamp Thing: #37-40,44-51,65-67,70-77,84,88-90,99,114-115
>>
> For the ultra completist out there, there is a minor JC appearence that
> you are missing. It was in an issue of Green Arrow, I believe it was in
> the 20's. Ollie goes to Sherwood forest to investigate a mystery and
> stops off at a pub to ask questions. One of the questions spooks the
> locals (of course) and he is getting ready to leave when a nice English
> fellow pulls him aside and warns him about poking his nose into this
> matter. 3 guesses who it was? It is not actually said to be JC, but the
> look and the mannerisms were there.
> 
> Hope this helped.
> 
> *************************************************************************
> * Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
> *                              *     load, but a full load always      *
> * cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *

There's also a one-panel cameo in the Batman villains Secret Origins Special
(notable for its Neil Gaiman/Bernie Mirault/Matt Wagner Riddler origin) where
he is interviewed in Gotham City, as well as a one-panel "image" of him being
discussed by the JC rip-off Rasputin (the one John Ostrander character I can't
stand) in Firestorm #86 (I think).

-----
Douglass Barre - carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"I wish I had an address book full of addresses." --Grant Morrison, St.
Swithin's Day
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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is YODA)
Subject: Re: G.I.Joe REAL ? american hero
Summary: Go home Ninja Force
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:36:09 GMT



    The G.I.Joe Ninja force is really starting to get to me. The first issue
    of Joe I ever got was #66, Back then ninja's had little operations, now
    they're appearing more and growing in number.


    FIREFLY is not a ninja master!!!   I cannot believe he was the red master
    leader.  In that issue reality took a back step to *ninja voodoo* as
    firefly managed to change his face and survive a sword through has chest.
    HEADMAN (nice name) is OK I  think the Boroka (spelling?) Beach storyline
    will lead to something more than flashing off the new Drug Elimination
    Force.  Speaking of which is the Joe creative team under more pressure
    from Hasbro to create new teams as there are 3 new group the ninja force
    the eco-warriors and the DEF.
    Painting old characters and giving them new name destroyed the
    transformers and I wouldn't like that to happen to an elite group of
    soldiers called

                 G.I. JOE........


   Templar

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Vootie! (erm...Nexus)
Keywords: Nexus, Mike Baron, Steve Rude
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.134634.8996@csc.ti.com> wall@ra.csc.ti.com (Raj Wall) writes:
>Finally got my copy of the new incarnation of the Greatest Comic Book
>of All Time, Nexus.  The story is familiar but the telling is
>different.  And The Dude's artwork is exquisite.  Thanks to DarkHorse,
>an old friend has returned from the dead.
>
God, it's to have this back, isn't it?  It's not as if we don't know this
story like the alphabet already, but the retelling was still a thrill.
And your right, the artwork was stunning, Rude just gets better and better.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"If you can't kill me, *don't waste my time*!
  --- Horatio Hellpop
g-carnagey@uchicago, if you must know



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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Re: Missing cupons...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:10:04 GMT


Look, the only determinant of how much a comic is worth is
what you schill the other guy for.  I have bargained people
up or down.  If you have a relationship with a dealer, you
can usually get something in trade as well as cash.  Sell
to people want what you have, and buy from people who
want to get rid of what you want.  The Valiant stuff is fairly
common.  Technically the coupons should be there for anything
over very good.  But, hey, if you can get more for them
great. The grades over very good require a book of new
quality, so don't pay  more.  I promise that if you hang
around stores at all you will find some yutz to get the
book from.
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:14:24 -0400 
From: John Thomas <jt29+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Steranko

Does anyone out there know what Jim Steranko is up to these days?  


---john              "Fame is fleeting while, Jim Ross,
J.B. Thomas          INFAMY LASTS FOREVER...."---Cactus Jack      
jt29+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Summary: Marshal Law History
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: louzon@aplcen (Louzon ronald g)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <170qrvINN30e@network.ucsd.edu> mmaxwell@ucsd.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.182039.25155@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>>Originally published by Marvel UK in the magazine _Strip_, ML was reprinted as
>>a six issue LS in the Epic line back when Epic was still kinda active.

Actually, I think you've got it backwards.  The mini-series came first
then the MARSHAL LAW TAKES MANHATTEN special and then it was reprinted
in STRIP.

>>Besides, even Epic dropped it when the Batman parody issue came down
>>the pike. 
>
>It seems kinda weird that Marvel (oops...Epic) would Drop Marshall Law
>on account of the Batman parody, when they had just gone out of their
>way to print "Marshall Law Takes Manhattan", which was a scathing
>assault on Marvel characters and the Punisher in specific.  Was ML
>dropped because of flagging sales, or was it just beginning to cut
>too close to the bone?  Enquiring minds want to know.
>

MARSHAL LAW wasn't dropped because of sales, Pat Mills and Kevin O'Niell
just wanted to try self publishing and started Apocolypse Press.

>BTW, ML is now being picked up by Dark Horse comics, but they have yet
>to reprint the "Private Eye" story (Batman Parody) which is only available
>collected from Apocalypse Press (and kind of hard to find).

The second book from Apocalypse was THE HATEFUL DEAD which is continued
in the new Dark Horse book SUPER BABYLON.

As an aside, in an interveiw with Alan Grant in the last issue of 
AMAZING HEROES, Alan states that working with Apocolypse was not very
enjoyable but that it wasn't Mill's or O'Niell's fault because they 
didn't actually run the company.
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Legion 92 Annual (WAS Re: ECLIPSO checklist)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:44:23 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BtBut9.Cu9@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> I can't remember his name but he pencilled the Legion 92
> Annual. I didnt buy it, just looked at it cause of the
> good front cover. What is his name and what other stuff
> (if any) has he done? His art was better than the 
> standard Superhero art!
> 
> Jed


        Mike Mckone.  And yes, I too think his work is fantastic.  He mostly
came into promince during the Giffen run of the Justice League.  I believe he
started penciling the book right after Maguire left.  He also did a four issue
run in one of the Batman books (not Legends of, nor the new one).  That's all
I'm aware of.

                                                S H Y L O C K

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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: For  Sale!
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 04:48:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug13.020656.29528@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>For Sale: One Wolverine, excessively overused, but still has some mileage left 
>if you really squeeze him.  Mid 70's model, with plenty of bodywork and 
>late-model patches.  Doesn't hold together terribly well and emits fumes, but 
>as long as you slap on a fresh coat of paint every so often it'll be fine.  
>Comes complete with user's manual of hackneyed phrases and spare origin just in
>case the current one falls apart under its own weight.

I've got one just like it...

The spine is damaged so it can't hold itself up without hypertension and 
illusion.  Hey, I know it is a little two-dimensional, but it will be a 
great collector's item someday--give  it to your kids.

Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: RDAY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MARVEL CARDS SERIES I
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:08:57 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Netters,

I don't know if any of you remember but about a 6 weeks ago I posted
to get some information on the 2 sets of MC S1 that my comics dealer
had for sale WITH holos for $50.00 each.  The info you gave me was
right on the money and I bought a set for the low LOW price of 50 bucks.

I went home and called my fiancee and told her what I had done.  WRONG.
I received a lecture so bad that it would even make Thanos cower in fear.
Then I had the nerve to tell her about the other set and that I might/maybe/
just thinking/about putting them in lay-away.  Well we're still together
even though she threatened to get a potpourii pot for my basement!!!!
I told her it could be for my upcoming birthday, but no-go.

I called the next day to ask my dealer if lay-away would be o.k.
and lo and behold the cards were gone!!  SNIFF SNIFF  =(.....

Then 42 days later they show up beside the birthday cake she made
for me!  She said that she had called over to my shop the next day,
and had them put back until she could get up there with the money.
What a great birthday present!!!  Whatta WOMAN!!!!!  The way to a
COMIC COLLECTORS heart isn't through his stomach...It's through
his HOBBY!!!!!

Just thought I would let you know that all women don't think
comics are goofy.

Thanx,

Jeff


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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Batman Encyclopedia?
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:30:30 GMT

In article <86361@netnews.upenn.edu> fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.063230.18884@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>About ten years ago or so, someone published a Complete Batman Encyclopedia.
>>Our friend here who's been looking for a list of Batman's villains asked
>>me for the book's actual title and publisher.  However, I can't remember what
>>it is right now.  I'm sure some of you do.  It's a large format book, some
>>500-odd pages long, copiously illustrated.
>
>Perhaps you are thinking of The Encyclopedia of Comic Book Heroes, Volume 1:
>Batman.  If so, it's by Michael L. Fleisher, copyright 1976, Collier Books.
>It is indeed a large-format book, 387 pages.  I'm pretty sure it's out of
>print, but can be had at fine used bookstores or mail-order used book
>dealers.  (Fleisher never got beyond Volume 2: Wonder Woman, unfortunately.)
>I have a copy, but I'm afraid I can't part with it.  :-)
>
I'm fairly sure there was a volume on Superman as well, but I can't remember
how the numbering went.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"But still they came at him, hot moist flesh pressing in from all sides.
They were love-starved babes in heat -- and his horse had long since bolted!"
  --- Blazing Chain of Love
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
From: morgan@macbeth.Corp.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Eric Stanton Anyone?
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:25:54 GMT
Reply-To: morgan@macbeth.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: macbeth.corp.sun.com


Hi-

Does anyone out there know the address of the "Stanton Archives"
in New York or another good source of Eric Stanton's comic
art?

Please email me direct as I don't have regular access to this
group...

Thanks in advance!

Peter
From: wwolf@zooid.guild.org (White Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Valiant, hello anyone out there?
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:40:56 GMT

From: lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler)
>I know that Valiant is a small company with only 1/20th of the market share
>but i was just wondering am I the only 'Valiant Zombie' out there.  I have seen less then 10 posts in the last 2 weeks on Valiant books and am just wondering
>if anyone else finds them very refreshing...now i'm not saying their Sandman
>but for super here comics IMO (not IMHO) Valinat makes the best of em...
>
     Just so you don't feel cast adrift, yes I'm a Val-Zom to some degree, so
you're not alone. I used to read Magnus and Solar when they were published by
Gold Key. When I heard that Valiant was going to publish new stories with a
couple of my favourite characters, I proceeded to bug the hell out of the
manager of the comic store I frequent, in order to make sure he ordered them.
Though he screwed up on the first issue of Magnus, he rewarded me by giving me
his store's sole copy of Magnus #0.
 
     Valiant has been able to breath new life into what I now realize were
rather two-dimensional characters. 
 
>It will be intresting to see how Mr. Shooter's departure from valiant affects
>it's future. Already i have seen a noticable dip in quality following the 
>'Unity' Crossover series...
>
>well thats all from this fanitical Valiant collocter (50 valiant books a month)
>
     50 a month?!! I know, I know. You read'em so much they wear out, right?
 
                  White Wolf
 
            (trot,trot,trot...)
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