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From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:07:04 GMT

freeman@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jay Freeman) writes:
> Several people have pointed out that trash compaction could be used. While i
> suppose this is true (if the government, which is already broke, could find
> even more money)

	How many trash compactors can you buy for the price of a single
carrier group?  Heck, leave out the support ships and the air wing; how
many trash compactors can you buy for the price of a single carrier?
-- 
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Advice on battery cables wanted
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:42:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr13.194245.20340
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

cogen@ll.mit.edu writes:

>I intend to move by batteries from their location near the engine, to a
>location up forward near the middle of the boat, for better weight
>distribution.  This will result in battery cables approximately 18 feet long.
>Does anyone have any accurate recommendations on what gauge wire I need for a
>run of this length? Please let me know what you based your recommendation on.


This gives you a run of almost 40 feet.  I don't have my wire table
handt but SOPE (seat of pants estimate) says to  2/0 guage.
Last time I checked 2/0 sells for about $6.00/ft.  This give you
a wiring cost of around $250.  Personally. I like welding cable since it 
is very flexible and has neoprene insulation.  With wiring runs this long
you should bear in mind that the wire will be quite heavy and can self
destruct if it's allowed to slam around so secure it well.  Also, if you
value your health, put a fusible link at the batteries so if something 
does fail you won't have a fire.

You can't go wrong using oversize wire.  If you really need to figure
the minimum tell me your maximum amp loads (starting) and I'll look it
up in the table.

cheers,
-gb-
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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Recursion commision 4/5/92
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 20:38:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Well, as with most boat related things, there were a few glitches. 
Recursion was supposed to be in the water by last Friday, but
the New England weather's been distinctly difficult and our yard's gotten
a little behind, but assures us we'll hit the water this week. We took 
off Saturday, since there's some stuff you just can't do with the boat
out of the water. But... There's plenty you can do.

We finished out rota of winch cleaning and lubricating. I spent
the afternoon rebuilding our primaries and our spinnaker winches.
Take apart, scrub clean in kerosene, with toothbrush and lots of
paper towels, inspect parts, lubricate and re-assemble. Fun. And this
is probably the first of four or five times we do this during the season.

While I chased this, Sue, one of our owners, went to work installing
floorboards. Ah, so much nicer than walking around on the bloody
stringers in the bilges. Bill and Jeff (Two more of our regulars)
went to work stringing the lifelines back up, and putting all the
random gear back on them. (Rollers near the forward stanchions, soft
lifeline cushion material over the back 2/3s. We did the mechanical
work to install the new tape player (Electrical later this week) 
We pulled out the Navigation computer, which gets a new set of proms
to support our soon to arrive Flux Gate compass. 

We got the tiller on, and the traveller. We put the jib cars and pullers
back onto the genoa tracks and replaced the end stops. (They come off so
we can get the cars on and off) 

We pulled four harken cam cleats off the cabintop, to be replaced
next week. We also replaced the mainsheet cam-cleat, which had gradually
become quite cranky last fall. Batteries went in,  as did about a fifth
of the random gear that goes on the boat. 

We'll probably end up with a afternoon / evening work session this week,
to catch up on the stuff that needs to be done in the water. 

		- David



David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
From: jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: America's cup on-board camera operation
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:12:52 GMT

I've been getting racing fever from watching the AC races.
I was wondering if someone "in the know" can comment on how
the on-board cameras work.  They seem to be pretty good at
tilting and rotating to keep the horizon fairly level.

Jonathan Welch  VAX Systems Programmer  Umass/Amherst  jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu
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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:22:46 GMT


In article <SMITTIE.92Apr10124107@tui.csulb.edu>, smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>In-Reply-To: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com's message of Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:14:37 GMT
>
>What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>carrying in excess of 4000 people.
But smaller boats are required to store their trash.  I'm sure that a carrier
has more capacity to carry the trash of 4000 than say a 35' LOA cruising boat.

And the Navy has an additional need to hide.  Ploping big chuncks of trash into
the water does them no good in war time (or so we presuppose).  The real
problem will be resolved by getting all of those pre 1980 ships upgraded or out
of the fleet.

Finally, as I've said and others have also, the USN is not the only culprit,
just the most visible.
>
>--
>___________________________________________________________________________
>GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
>smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
>________________________|___________________________________________________
>
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     | I'd exercise my 2nd Ammendment to protect
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          | your First.  Would you do the same for me?

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From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: Personal Floatation Devices
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:27:43 GMT

marc@watson.ibm.com (Marc Auslander) writes:
> Not CG approved - but you can wear it all day, even when its warm,
> without being bothered.  I would think any standard jacket would
> eventually become enough of a bother to prompt you to remove it.

	This brings up a generally good point.  No safety device does any
good if it's so uncomfortable, inconvenient, etc, that people tend not to
use it.  It also doesn't do any good if it's so bulky, awkward, etc, that
it actually increases the chance of an accident.  Most USCG approved
jackets are so bulky that they make it easy to get caught on something, or
snag a line between you and the jacket, etc.  A less bouyant one that is
comfortable enough to wear all the time and snug fitting enough that it
doesn't constrict or snag is probably better all-around protection.

	I remember once thinking I was being safety concious by wearing
work gloves while I worked a piece of metal on a grinding wheel.  The guy
who ran the shop pointed out to me that while I might be protecting my
hands a bit by wearing the gloves, I was also depriving myself of any
useful feel of the tool against piece I was working on.  Without that
constant sensitive tactile feedback, I was much more likely to have an
accident because I couldn't tell when the work was about to catch or grab.

	Always ask yourself, is the protection in case of an accident worth
the added probably of having an accident in the first place?
-- 
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: AC Update, short results from Sun 4/12
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:37:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	Well, suprise again.... <results follow>

	A^3 beat Kanza as Kanza broke a mast ram and failed to finish.  This
puts A^3 into a 3-way tie; all boats have 5 points.  A^3 has the most wins
in this round so she gets a berth in the finals.  Kanza's withdrawal forces
a sail-off tomorrow between S&S and Kanza for the second berth.
	The mast ram controls fore-aft positioning of the mast at deck
level (mounted below on the underside of the deck>.  Apparently the aft 
mounting failed, allowing the ram to push backwards through a bulkhead connected
to Kanza's keel. Kanza conceded the race when the crew accepted repair parts 
from an A^3 tender.
	A^3 led all the way to the fourth mark, ahead at that point by
a little over 2:00.  Kanza's mishap occurred here; Kanza dropped all headsails, 
sailed past the 4th mark and continued into port.

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
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From: graemer@ssd.dl.nec.com (Graeme (Scamp) Robertson)
Subject: Wow! (AC sailing)
Organization: Via NEC America Switching Divison.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:27:08 GMT

The committee actuall admitted they were wrong!

Granted, it took them almost an hour.... but still.

I guess when you have a whole heap of reporters saying that they were a bit latewith the flag, they would have to do something.

Wonder who gave them permission to do it... must have been hard to reach.
(obviously does not have a mobile phone!)

Wonder if it will happen again.... the committee admitting they were wrong
that is!

Happy Sailing

Scamp

-- 
Graeme Robertson (Scamp)  |  graemer@ssd.dl.nec.com
NZ TSSC Ltd, Wellington,  |  (64) (4) 472-6947 (Telephone)
-
"New Zealand, a country where men are men and mountains are nervous".
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:33:54 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Apr10124107@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
}What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
}ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
}carrying in excess of 4000 people.
}
}GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
}smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.

Why not?  It was all on board when they left port wasn't it?

joel
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Let's split rec.boats
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:31:19 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I vote NO; don't split the group... for reasons already given by others.

--- Bob
*******************************************************************************
Robert J. Hanners                                     hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Annapolis, MD                                         *DIASTOLE*
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: AC rules
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:00:21 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Well, the goal of both the defender and challanger series is to 
get the best boat on the water to race for the America's Cup. 
I think that the defenders have always had the option of naming
their boat at the last minute (The gift of deed permits it) 

I'm also pretty sure that the defender series has always been structured
so that a defender syndicate wins, not a specific boat. 

For added fun, the Cup is being raced for under at least four
sets of folks. The San Diego Yacht Club, whoever the challnager of
record is (I don't know, and it's sort of a moot point, since the challangers
have some sort of comittee and agreement which they've all entered into)
the New York Yacht club, since the gift of deed is held by the club and
run under NY state laws. Finally, since they all agreeded to race 
the new boats, the class association for Americas Cup class boats
has a say in the game.

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
From: dfarrell@scfb.nwc.navy.mil (Dennis Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Repeal of Coast Guard "User Fee"?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: avalon.1992Apr15.155943.6549
Organization: NAWC

Federal Computer Week for April 23rd, p 16, carries an article stating that
the House (of ill ??) is considering imposing a user fee on the Federal
Maritime Commission's Automated Tariff Filingand Information System to recover
revenues lost if the USCG "User Fee" is repealed - action expected after the
Easter recess.

  --  dwf
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Winches
Organization: Public Health Research Institute, New York
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:04:16 GMT

	The other day, I suggested replacing pawl springs in winches even if
they don't apparantly need it.  Today, I took apart both my primiaries
(Enkies AR-18's) and found that each one had a broken pawl spring (and
that's just on the pawls I could get to, the two top ones).  I have no idea
when they broke; the winches appear to work fine with just one operating
pawl.  Good thing I broke one in each instead of both in one!

	Two questions (both because Enkies is out of business).  First, does
anybody know if Enkies and Barrient pawl springs are interchangable?  The
pawls are slightly different, but the springs look the same.  Since I can't
get Enkies springs, I plan on putting in Barient replacement springs.  I
can't think of any reason why this shouldn't work, but you never know.  I'd
hate to have to drop out of a race because of a $0.70 part.

	Second, it looks to me like the only way to fully disassemble the
winch is to remove it!  Last year, when I tore them down, I had them off the
boat because I was moving them.  I don't remember exactly what I had to do
to take them apart, but now it sure looks like unbolting them from the deck
is the only way to get to the bottom pawls and planetary gears.  I remember
taking out a retaining ring on the intermediate shaft, but it looks like
that ring is underneath the base.  Can anybody with one of these winches
confirm this?  I'd hate to have to dismount the winch every year just to
clean and lube it (let alone do an emergency repair underway).  If that's
really what you have to do, it's no wonder Enkies is no longer in business.
-- 
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
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Subject: FOR SALE: TRANSCEIVER
Organization: Kent State University, College of Business
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:58:14 GMT

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From: mfish@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Michael Fish)
Subject: Re: Antigua to Maryland
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:56:30 GMT

In article <12439@umd5.umd.edu> colvin@oyster.smcm.edu asks:

>1) Is it possible to rent safety equipment (such as, life-rafts,  
>E.P.I.R.B.'s, harnesses, etc.) from any one?
Yes, and there is a place in Annapolis; I've forgotten the name but
they advertise in _Ocean Navigator_ from time to time. I'll try to
check back-issues for you.

>2) Has anyone had any problems with customs when flying into a country  
>without a return ticket?
You'll have to work this out *in advance* with customs in Antigua.
Check a cruising guide for the Carribean for specifics, but it will
probably include written notice from the captain/owner that you will
arrive on flight #, date, duration of stay, passport #, date of 
departure, name of vessel, hailing port, documentation #, destination.
ALSO, you will need to have made prior arrangements with the 
US Coast Guard, pay a $25 fee and have a sticker displayed on the
boat when you clear customs at Cape Charles, Virginia when you reenter
the Chesapeake.  (There's a fine of ~$1,000 if you skip this detail :-(

>3) Is there any-where to rent a hand-held G.P.S.?
q.v. 1.

>4) Has anyone on the group ever done a similar delevery?
Not deliveries, just the Bermuda run.  I'm sailing down to Tortola
from Solomons Island, MD this fall, fly back, return at Christmas
and sail it to Florida, so I'll have some of the same problems as
you. Good luck and let me know what you find out.
Michael
From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: AC Results (short) for Fri 4/10
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:44:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	Suprise!  S&S defeated Kanza, by 1:01, guaranteeing S&S at least
a sail-off for a spot in the Defender Finals.  
	I missed the first couple legs, but I understand Conner forced
Dellenbach into a downwind-port-starboard foul before the start.  After
doing the 270 penalty turn, Kanza wound up 7 lengths behind at the start of
the first windward leg.  Mostly light winds prevailed throughout.  Melges
drove Kanza <after the start>, with Koch onshore again.
	The wind freshened several times during the 2:57:51 race, and Melges
drove Kanza up to S&S but never passed.  Good crew work on both boats,
especially when Kanza's light-air spinnaker blew out on the next-to-last
downwind leg.  Quick recovery to a heavier chute lost them only about 0:17
during the crisis.
	S&S led at every mark. Her lead stayed about the same throughout
the race; around 1:00 at all marks.
	Standings:	S&S and Kanza:	5 pts
			A^3:		3 pts
	Today:	S&S v A^3   (a win by S&S today clinches a finals berth)

					-- Houston Chronicle & ESPN

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:21:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:

    	The classic piece of advice is ....

Great advice, Roy.  Thanks
Several people sent me mail on this one and I intend to thank them all
too.  If any of you don't hear from me, it's not because I haven't
tried, but because, for reasons not understood by me, some of my mail
does not get sent properly.

Brian (apparently more ignorant than most) Smith
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: America's Cup results for April 4, 1992
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:44:31 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 3735@qualcomm.com, wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>Ville de Paris defeated Il Moro di Venezia by 1:56.  Shades of Dennis 
>Conner's loss to Australia II in 1983.  Italian skipper Paul Cayard failed 
>to cover Ville de Paris on the last downwind leg when French skipper Marc 
>Pajot sailed his boat out to the right corner of the course.  Ville de 
>Paris found more wind and cleaimed a victory from a certain defeat, 
>knocking the Italians out of sole possession of first place into a 
>three-way tie.  

Here's a speculation.  Suppose you know that your boat,
though in the lead, is slower downwind.  The boat behind
has a double advantage: it's faster and it can block your
wind if it gets close.  (Note that to windward it's the
covering boat that can interfere with the covered boat's
wind.)  What do you do?  If you stay between the other boat
and the line, you are almost certain to lose; sailing in
the same breeze, the faster trailing boat will roll over
you.  If you split gybes and head for what has been the
windier side of the course, or the side where you expect a
shift that will let you sail a faster course (more of a
reach), you've got a chance.  But if you lose, you take
more heat for "failing to cover".  I believe Ville is known
to be fast downwind; so was Australia II.

Bill Courington
From: kevin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: What are web frames?
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:26:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, UK

I was recently reading an article on GRP boat construction and it mentioned
the use of longitudinal framing, transverse framing and web frames.  I know
what the first two are, but could someone explain what a web frame is?

Thanks,  Kevin

Kevin Mitchell                   JANET: kevin@uk.ac.ed.dcs
LFCS, Dept. of Computer Science  ARPA:  kevin%dcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk	
University of Edinburgh          
Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, UK.           Tel:   (+44) (0)31-650-5195
From: atb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Andy Brown)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:34:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Wanted: Defense of Whitewater Canoeing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle

In rec.boats.paddle, schultz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Dennis Schultz) writes:

> lee@wang.com (Lee Story) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >What _I_ don't understand (maybe Bill or someone can tell me) is why
> >anyone would run whitewater in a RAFT.  
> 
> 	Because they are the ONLY real whitewater boat, not some cheap
> plastic toy boat.  When a kayaker approaches any significant drop, he
........stuff deleted
> whitewater, not avoiding it like the toy-boaters.  Personally, I don't
> start RAFTING Gore til it gets above 4000cfs, Cross Mountain til it gets
> above 10,000 cfs, and Pine Creek and the Poudre Narrows until they get
> above 4ft.

you must have a pretty short season.

> -Dennis
> 

My grandmother really enjoys them too.

Now the only real boat is a squirt boat.

andy

(oh yeah, i'm just kidding, sortof)
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