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From:         Margaret Joppa <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: TV and brain waves

Regarding the comments by Tor "tv is a very pernicious medium in a lot of
ways, perhaps the worst of which is that it provides an "easy out" and
allows folks to switch off their minds and stop thinking about important
world issues..."

I agree with the idea that tv is bad for you, however, I must defend tv's
value in that indeed it allows us to "switch off minds".  At the end of
a day I am usually tired of thinking, and thinking about important worlk
(world) issues gets me really depressed, so I don't think a few hours of
Simpsons or Northern Exposure is harming me.

Also I constantly marvel at the technology of remote control.  Whenever
an ad comes on I can hit the mute button and avoid all that obnoxious
cultural brain washing.

M. Joppa
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help with Hippocampi
              Nov 13, 92 10:13 am

>         I wish I _could_ post this exact reference, but in
> all honesty, I probably shouldn't even have mentioned it,

Ah, this makes it even sexier...

> data of some collaborators in her lab).  Those collaborators
> have some similar data in Science, I think.  I'll try to get

Is this Killich`s lab? (or something starting with a K?)  I think
they presented something at Neuroscience hinting at this.  Really
exciting.  Oh, and to the person looking for the refs on this,
I'd also suggest looking at Michael Meaney's stuff (if this hasn't
been suggested yet).

Waiting with whetted lips,
Eric
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From:         "psp.foxcroft" <D.Foxcroft@SEQ.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      New York Academy

Hello all,

Does anybody know anything about the New York Academy of Sciences?

Is it a prestigous organization, with exclusive membership (invited
members only)?  Or is it the sort of organization anybody can join,
if they are prepared to come up with the cash?



David Foxcroft
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

On 9 November, Jesse writes:

>Do you really think that anyone will ever change their ways?
>Even if a person is forced to accept that the world is
>changing, that doesn't mean that they will change how they
>feel. I think that as they are slowly defeated, the fight
>will become more intense.

        That is an interesting observation.  I don't know.
There are some feminists who insist that part of changing the
"old regime," or however you want to look at it will include
changing this idea that someone or some particular group must
be "on the top."  That is, some feminists assert that the
"new way of thinking and doing" that they will introduce is
one in which there is room for us all, and competition is not
an issue, or even a friendly vice.  Others doubt that such an
ideal is possible, either because 1) Men as a group will not
accept such a position, or 2) Humans as a species will not
abide by such an ideal.  Personally, I'm inclined to agree
with Machiavelli and with Darwin, and side with those who say
"It's a great idea, but it will never work.  Humans are too
self-motivated, and competition is a natural phenomenon."
But there's a part of me that really wants to believe in the
idea that we could live in a competition-free world....at
least, to the degree that competition limits opportunity at
the moment.....Gee, I sound like John Lennon:  "Imagine all
the people......"  It's late and I'm getting silly.  I
applogize for that, but I'm sincere in the ideas I've
expressed here.
--Kathy Morgan
kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:37:00 EDT <KMORGAN@WHEATNMA> said:
>Help!  I've committed that most dreaded of all sins--I've apparently
>lost a student's exam!  What should I do?  Require them to take it
>again?  Average their remaining exams?  Give them an automatic A?  I
>feel that I should not penalize them for what was MY mistake!
>Seriously, I need some advice--NOW!

Here are the steps...

Step 1: Establish that the student really did write the exam and is not
        just claiming so, thus making it look like your mistake.

Step 2: If the answer to Step 1 is "the student did write the exam and
        I lost it," ...
        then compile a list of fair options or actions to take given the
        circumstances.  You have already begun to do this (eg. average
        the remaining tests, make the student write the exam)

Step 3: Explain the situation honestly to the student.

Step 4: Apologize for the inconvenience.

Step 5: Require the student to select one course of action from the list
        of options you present to the student.  Allow for the student to
        have superior ability in developing options.  Listen and consider
        all options presented by the student (if any).  Invite the student
        to present better options.

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From:         mmartin@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment
              "lindberg@PSYCH.

I think that the most serious and dangerous part of the whole
story is that now that it has become unacceptable to
discriminate, the discrimination has moved to the realm of
complete subtleness.  How does one battle something that is NOT
supposed to exist?

regularly apologising for my white, male, middle class standing
so as not to feel guilty...

Jesse Martin
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When talking about gender identification, I can't help but wonder what it would
be like to have a name that is specifically male o



r female. Take my name Berle
for example....I always assumed it was a female name, but nope, I get more Mr.'s
   than I do Ms.'s. I have made a habit of underlining the Ms. when sending cove
   r
letters, resumes, and general applications. I don't want people to assume, and I
   never though about the discrimination part, yet I have never experienced the
discrimination either.

However, this is food for thought. I am still chewing!:)

Berle
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

>Why not just kill the Oppressor Scum?

        I don't want to kill "them", I just want to change
some of the ways "they" do business.  Or more directly, to
change the power and political dynamic such that women (and
others) are on a more equal footing.
        I happen to be one of those feminists who enjoys
"sleeping with the enemy"--and those are not my words, those
are the words of some of my colleagues.  I wouldn't put it
that way.

        --Kathy Morgan
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: feminists

     Tim,
     Do you always get away with deliberating about something without first
(or ever) defining it?  (You're lucky you didn't have MY research methods
prof!)   Even DSM makes a stab at axis II definitions...
     :) Nangel
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

   Groan. Now when men talk sports it's a conspiracy against women.
Really, now.  Do women have any problems that aren't the fault of men?
Shere Hite's Men-Are-Scum movement is passe, just as Schlafly is.
T.
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From:         "(Stephanie Fishkin)" <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
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              "KMORGAN%WHEATNMA.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU" at Nov 4, 92 11:23 pm

Kathy --

The studies you cite were all conducted in the 70's.  Do you think now,
20 years later, the results would be the same?  This might suggest some
interesting replecation work.  Perhaps some could be modified to
include whether the study of gender differences a less desireable area to
study than some other area of psychology.  Do you think there would be
any differences if a male's vita included research on gender diff's than
a female's vita (in terms of rank of professorship appointment, and any
other interesting DV's)?

Just some thoughts before I go to sleep!

SF

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  >  Corollaries:
	1.  Nobody whom you ask for help will see it.
	2.  The first person who stops by, whose advice you
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Stephanie Fishkin
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Subject:      Re: Neural development and TV

Thanks, Jeff, for a thought-provoking anecdote!  I can tell I
need to chew on this issue for a while longer before I go
about trying to make any major shifts in my teaching style
for these students.....the number of factors involved in
obtaining an LD label is greater than I thought!
        --Kathy Morgan
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Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

Mike,
I hate to use the term 'good old boys' but there really has been no other
that fits when you are suggesting that within some organization there are
'some' men who are conservative in their ways and would rather that men
be hired and that women stay home and have babies.
I am really glad that there are an increasing number of men out there that
realize that women are capable of achieving goals other than motherhood.
Please do not see the term 'good old boys' as a classification to all men,
for it certainly is not.  If you can think of another term that is not
quite so offending to you (or others) please tell me what it might be.
Tammy
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From:         Betty Harris <B1H6017@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Preferential treatment.

I find it interesting that since it's usually females
using initials rather than names to hide their gender,
(eg in phonebooks) that ppl would see juts an initial and
think "hmmmm that's male".  I haven't really been paying
attention, but I can't recalling seeing any males doing this.
What's been bugging me is, if it's usually females using initials
to hide their gender then what good is it to use initials?

Also, could it be possible that ppl who address someone using
initials as Mr. are simply using baserate information about the
current gender composition of our profession rather than manifesting
some malevolent 'good ol boy' attitude?  Ppl always call me Dr. in
correspondence when my rank is unspecified by me.
Tho it seems to me to be a 'bigger' blunder to call a male Ms than
it would be to call a female Mr...  wonder if it's a conincidence
that most obscene derogatory terms are from the female anatomy?

I always use my first name professionally, cuz I feel that
the quality of my work will get me where I wanna be, rather than
whether I'm male or female.  It may take longer to get there cuz
I'm female (I dunno, cuz I have no male identical twin to compare
notes with), but I wonder how this effect size compares to:
a) being good at research,
b) knowing the right ppl,
c) being in the right place at the right time,
d) studying what is currently hot in the field,
e) ... etc etc etc
f) having good political skills.

It seems to me that *to some extent*, to be discriminated against, one
has to accept that role and play along with it...

Betty
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From:         "Gerri Oppedisano (8-863-7225)" <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>

> I think that the most serious and dangerous part of the whole
> story is that now that it has become unacceptable to
> discriminate, the discrimination has moved to the realm of
> complete subtleness.  How does one battle something that is NOT
> supposed to exist?
>
> regularly apologising for my white, male, middle class standing
> so as not to feel guilty...
>
> Jesse Martin
--

Huh?? I've been pretty much keeping out of this discussion in general
but today's posts from you, Tim and Ken have baffled me? You all sound
like you're feeling attacked.. What's going on? Why did this discussion
take on this turn?

In regards to talking sports.. I forget who made the original post about
it, but what is the actual complaint here? Is it "wasted time" or is it
"wasted time on a predominately male-oriented subject"? And do you
(sorry for not remembering who posted this!) feel that women, in general,
don't do this (i.e. female profs carrying on conversation about female
things with students on student time)? Do you feel like if you were
interested in discussing sports, it'd make things easier for you or less
frustrating? I'm not sure I understand the male-lockeroom analogy.. How
does this threaten you? (I'm not taking any sides here.. just trying to
clear up what the issues are)

As far as people changing.. I think it's a depressing conclusion to say
that people don't actually change, even if they accept a changing
environment. I think people can change, first of all. Second, I think
that making people aware of the real issues can effect what seems like
a change because it brings about options or viewpoints for people which
were possibly not apparent or clear to them before. Thirdly, I think
accepting a changing environment is a step in the direction of change,
if the acceptance is truly there.

I agreed with a lot of what Tim (I think it was Tim) had said about not
wanting to aspire to a world where there are NO differences between men
and women. I really don't think that's all that possible.. We are differ-
ent. But the problems for women in male-dominated situations need still
to be more clearly outlined. Sure, we can deal with being different, but
do we carry as much weight intellectually and competitively? If not,
then why not? Is it because success and competition are truly defined
by men and male standards? Possibly. That's what needs to be looked at.
And I think that's what people are attempting to look at.

For men who are confused and angered by all of this, try to picture what
you consider a female-dominated situation, and try to imagine "fitting
in" or gaining recognition there. What kind of problems do you think
you'd run into?

gerri
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi
              12 Nov 1992 19:47:59 EST from <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>

In case someone is still confused: BOTH the hypothalamus and the hippocampus
are part of the limbic system.  However, the structures UNIQUELY limbic
per se include: the amygdala, the septal region, and the hippocampal
formation.  The limbic system, via its interconnections includes:
the olfactory cortical areas, the hypothalamus, some midbrain nuclei
(reticular formation).  Cortical portions of the limbic system include:
parahippocampal gyrus, cingulate cortex, prefrontal cortex (the co-called
limbic forebrain).  The basal forebrain, composed of nucleus accumbens, basal
nucleus of Meynert, including the ventral striatum and ventral pallidum,
are also part of the limbic system.  Diencephalic nuclei (other than the
hypothalamus) like anterior nuclei of the thalamus, habenula, dorsomedial
nucleus of the thalamus from part of this system.  Lastly, midbrain nuclei
such as reticular formation and interpeduncular nucleus form limbic system
as well.
Hope this helps, if anyone is interested in the interconnections between
these structures, let me know and I will send a summary.
Have a good weekend!
And like my husband says: "Have fun!"


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Vann,

        Regarding initials on work submitted for publication--
some folks have suggested that NO NAMES are included on
articles sent out to reviewers--a truly double-blind
reviewing system.  That might be the MOST equitable way of
minimizing discrimination, when you have data (as was cited
yesterday) that suggests that folks have a tendency to read
"male names" into lone initials!
        --Kathy Morgan
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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I am an undergrad in psychology doing a research report on reality
therapy developed by William Glasser.  Anyone who can send information
it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Three cheers for Loree and Nangel

Hello, everyone.

On behalf of all the members of The PSYGRD-D Editing Team, and on behalf
of all subscribers to The PSYCGRAD Digest, I would like to sincerely thank
Nangel Lindberg and Loree Harpster for their contributions as original
members of the editing team.  Three cheers for Loree and Nangel.
Thank you very much for being an important part of the team.

We will all miss both of you.

At the same time, if this has not already been announced, Rick Adams
and Paul Lowry have joined the team.  Rick joined about a month ago.
And Paul has just joined these past few days.  So, welcome to these two
new members of The Editing Team.

In the interest of brevity, that's it.  Have fun!

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From:         Mustafa AlAbsi <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

Eric,
I don't think the limbic system is that far from the hypoythalamus.
Some of what Don indicated may apply to the hippo function as well.
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Preferential treatment

I have a suggestion for those women on the list, whose names could be mistaken
for man"s indentity...change your name to a slavic one :-)
You see my last name is "Trzcinska". If I were a male I would be "Trzcinski".
In the Polish language, the grammar itself takes care of any ambiguities...
Of course, anyone reading my publication has a hell of the time pronouncing
my name...or trying to remember it for that matter...

Seriously though, I would never consider using my initials, or "hiding" my
identity on a publication, just because "they" may regard me and my work
differently.  If you expect a fair treatment, you have to act fairly, first
and foremost you have to be true to yourself!

Just adding my 0.02cents...


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