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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:14:25 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <BuBr1C.H4@news.larc.nasa.gov>
ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale Douglas) writes:
>	Michigan   24
>	Notre Dame 21
>Notre Dame is overranked! (As usual).

Gee, I seem to recall quite a few Florida Gators woofing like this before
they got their asses royally whipped by the overrated Irish.
I wonder if the Gators have stopped overrating Notre Dame.
As for inaccurate ratings, compare what Wolverine fans predicted about
the Rose Bowl with what actually happened.
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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: SWC Review for 9/5
Keywords: stinks, sucks, reeks
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:03:16 GMT

John R. Boisseau (Jay) writes:
>
>Well, after posting my preview of the past week's SWC games, I feel 
>responsible for posting a summary. Unfortunately, I am so disgusted
>in the results, I am incapable or posting a calm, objective review
>at this time. 
>
>I don't know for sure what the problem is at this point. Probation is
>NOT a problem any more--hasn't been for a few years now. Recruiting
>is not a problem any more--the SWC schools has supposedy recruited
>good athletes for several years now. Coaching? Maybe at some of the
>schools....

I have a theory. There is not a single football coach in the SWC with 
something that even resembles a personality! Just watch the coaches shows,
and compare them to other coaches shows from other conferences.

This has got to affect recruiting, and even if it didn't, it's hard for
me to believe that these coaches can inspire anything in the players.

Maybe there's a state law in Texas that only allows coaches to describe the 
plays on the show in monotoned simple sentences like "This was a sweep," and
"This was a long pass..."

I am dead serious.

Teresa
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From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PSU Wins:)
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:41:13 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Penn State 24       Cincinnati 20 



                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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DoD # 645              Go Nittany Lions !!!             Beat The Bearcats!!!
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From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Texas/Syracuse
Summary: A BIASED PREDICTION
Keywords: Hook 'em Horns and Peck 'em Roadrunners!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:06:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


A biased prediction:  = (

    Syracuse  38
    Texas     24

    The Texas offense will make an improvement, but the defense still has
too many holes!!!

    Hoping for an upset, though!!!    Hook 'em Horns!!!





SEMI-RELATED NOTE:  Syracuse fans-  Don't make my whole year terrible....
    The defending Southland Conference Basketball champion UT-San Antonio
    Roadrunners visit the Carrier Dome on Dec. 12.  We're good, but we're
    not Big East material......So please, go easy on us, and hopefully we'll
    see you in the tournament as a 16th seed.


            U       U               NATIONAL CHAMPS
         TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT                  1963
            U   T   U                         1969
            U   T   U                             1970
            U   T   U
            UUUUTUUUU               SWC CHAMPS
                T                       MORE THAN ALL OTHER SCHOOLS COMBINED
                T


LONGHORNS-  THE SEASON'S NOT OVER, IT JUST LOOKS THAT WAY!!!

I'll take Tulsa and 25(not 21), anyone interested?
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings and Predictions for 9/12/92
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Sep 1992 12:00 EST  

In article <1992Sep14.194947.15379@cco.caltech.edu>, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes...
>ds4@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
> 
> 
>>In article <BILLMS.92Sep11165801@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> 
>>|> I'm amazed at how much shit some people throw at guys like Darryl and Schmit
>>|> who post their power rankings.  I think its interesting, and a lot of other
>>|> people seem to as well.  These guys put in the effort because they enjoy it, and
>>|> Bill
> 
>>	And for this "If you can do better why don't you?" thing, anyone can
>>write a program to say which is the best team, by criteria such as; which team
>>has scored the most points, or which team has the ugliest looking offensive line.

Actually, it's hard to quantify the ugliness of linemen.  And really hard 
to pick winners.

>>I am not sure what these guys are doing....I would like to see the algorithms for
>>these 'computer polls'.  If anyone wants to send me or post theirs then I would
>>at least see that it is a legit thing and not some fantasy.
> 
>I choose to keep my algorithm private but will tell you that it is based
>only on the score and location of the games.
> 

I agree with Schmidt here.  I'd much rather post results and have the net 
throw stones at me for that, than to let a bunch of yahoos pick apart my 
algorithm.

>I also think that my algorithm proves it legitimacy in how it performs in
>picking winners and picking against the spread.  My rankings went
>16-11-2 against the spread and 21-7-1 picking winners in the first week
>and 27-15-0 against the spread and 26-14-2 picking winners this weekend.
> 

However, I differ with Kevin's emphasis on predicting winners; not because 
I don't think that's a valid test, but just because it smacks of the Vegas-
style gambling rags that make picks on football every week.

>Kevin
>schmke@cco.caltech.edu
>-- 

R Dendy

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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: David Palmer
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:01:02 GMT

In article <dkm2.715932280@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>
>Let's see what all the rsfc folks think about Alabama's David Palmer, who
>was lucky enough to get off by being treated as a minor for his *first*
>DUI, that got another DUI (that makes two in three months).
>
>Regardless of whom he plays for, the kid obviously needs help bad, most 
>folks in Mississippi would be sittin in jail for a while on their second
>offense that quickly.

    Yeah, that's the ticket.  Kick him off of the team and say, 
"Sorry son but, since you screwed up and can't play football
anymore, we don't give a damn" and send him to jail.  Just the kind
of help he needs.  He may yet see jail time though.

--
Guy McConnell
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Hmmm  Texas to Big 10!!!
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:00:56 GMT

John R. Boisseau (Jay) (boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Thus, and "alliance" probably wouldn't do the trick. I see a
: merger of the "big" four SWC schools with the Big 8 as offering the
: best hope... 
: 
: P.S. I'm glad ther aren't too many Baylor, SMU, and TCU fans on the
: net... I suspect the flames will largely come from the Rice fans.
: hey, guys, I like your school, I' just looking out for the Texas
: schools that have a chance to get better, OK?

Ok, I'll flame you... (Not that I'm really standing up for Baylor,
nor, for that matter, am I really flaming you).

I agree with *almost* everything you said, except I really think 
Baylor deserves to be in there instead of UH.  They *have* shown
they can recruit with/against t.u. and aTm (UH hasn't, really),
they draw a bigger crowd *and* more national attention than UH (IMO).
With the new Ferrell Center and the new field house they have shown
that their stated commitment to big-time college sports is more than
just talk.  With Teaff taking over as AD, look for the other (women's
and non-revenue) programs to improve.

'Course if you're *really* that adamant on UH, maybe we could take
Baylor over t.u.   :^)

ITS JUST A JOKE!!
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Subject: Re: What happened to the Huskies?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:36:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <1992Sep9.225905.19854@u.washington.edu>, dokken@milton.u.washington.edu (Frederick Lockyear) writes:
|> First, I have a question.
|> Does anybody know how many Washington players made the NFL this year?
|> 
|> Here's what I know:
|> Emtman - Indy
|> Hall - SF
|> Rodgers - Seattle
|> Fraley - Cut by Seattle
|> Rongen?(is that right)- Cut by Seattle
|> 
|> Can someone fill in the blanks?
|> Orlando McKay 		IR Green Bay ineligible to play this season
|> Mario Bailey 		Cut by Houston (Hoped to be resigned to practice squad)
|> Siupeli Malamala ???
|> Ed Cunningham 		Rams
|> Donald Jones ???
|> Aaron Pierce 		IR Giants eligible to come off in roughly four weeks
|> Did I leave anyone out?
|> 
|>
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: UCF - Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:31:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.204151.3035@mlb.semi.harris.com> dbarring@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Dwayne Barrington) writes:
>
>Tony,
>
>I was wondering why you are not attending FSU 
>instead of UCF.   As a UCF alumnus and avid booster,
>I bleed black and gold.  I do like the seminoles too, but
>UCF comes first.   You rant and rave about FSU, while
>at the same time slam UCF.  

How embarassing. Another UCF grad who can't comprehend what he reads.
Obviously the black and gold stuff you bleed has failed to deliver
oxygen to your brain. If you go back and, slowly, reread my posting
you might realize that I wasn't slamming UCF, I was slamming coach
gene. I don't like him. You have a lot of nerve talking about ranting
and raving boy. 
 
>Do you actually go to any UCF football games?  You 
>complain about the way UCF blew out Gardner-Webb.
>If you were there you might not complain.  UCF played
>2nd and 3rd teams for most of the second half and those
>teams kept scoring.  You can't tell them to go out and
>lay down after preaching to them about the importance
>of giving 100% during practice.

I've been going to knight games since the Jonas and saban days. I was
certainly there Saturday and up to a certain point loved what I saw. 
But complain about blowing out gardner webb?? You just can't read can
you? You probably read the first sentence and blew up in a fanatical
frenzy of loyalty to the alma mater that evidently failed to teach you
to read and, laboriously I'm sure, fired off this stupidity. 

>
>When I attended UCF, there were a few students that
>walked around campus in FSU or UF apparel.  You must
>be one of THOSE kind of students.  The majority of the
>student population and the school newspaper frowned
>upon this breach of loyalty.

This is great. I am left speechless here. I just wanted to include the
paragraph in this posting so everyone can enjoy it. One of THOSE kind
of students. Priceless. If you were there Sat. you might realize that
the majority of the student population doesn't give a damn about
football. 

>Once UCF moves to division 1A and is successful, the
>once un-loyal UCF students and alumni will swear 
>that they have always been UCF supporters.

Dwayne, you are an embarassment. Maybe we should change the name of
the team from the knights to the Stormtroopers. Or the UCF
Brownshirts.  You could be a booster. You could walk around campus and
bash people who aren't wearing the politically correct t-shirts. 

You might want to have someone read the postings from the woman in
mechanical engr. to you. She could teach you a thing or two about
reading and comprehension. 

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: crittend@currituck.cs.unc.edu (bac)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: swc,rice, fake grass
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:33:07 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Sep5.1539.11602@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
)Weird Stat of the Week:
)
)Rice plays at Air Force September 5th. If the Owls win it will be their
)first victory on grass since the seventies.
)
)Every SWC team plays on that green painted concrete junk. 

ownby is natural and SMU still plays most of their home games th.
also didn't TCU recently rip out their turf and put in grass?

______________________________crittend@cs.unc.edu____________________________

Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis.
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From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: end of Purdue-Cal and next week Purdue-Toledo game
Keywords: So may God help the Boilers through this year...
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:52:08 GMT

 I was at the Purdue-Cal game in the second half and didn't see
much action, but I was listening to the game in the first half
and couldn't beleive the way Purdue played.

I made several predictions before the game
1> Purdue 24-20 over Cal
2> Russell White has great game(yeah, right)
3> Purdue would play decent defense(they did)
4> This would be the game that got them off to a winning season
   (it's looking like it)

I was very happy and almost in joyous tears where Purdue scored at will
and then after the game........I feel very confident that Purdue made a point
to the rest of the nation saying that they have finally come back after all
these years of losing season.  Last year, I predicted Purdue would go
6-5, but game within 2 losses by 5 total points in order to do it.
This year I think they will go 6-5 also, 7-4 if lucky but not holding breath.
THIS year's team looks like it will go to bowl game if it plays well till
the end.

Toledo-don't know much about them, but I am glad we are not playing Cental
 Michigan next week(they beat State 24-14 I heard yesterday for the second)
 year in a row...one thing is for certain, Toledo is no Central Michigan,
 and even more, Toledo comes nowhere close to the arsenal Cal did, but
 I have no idea what the spread will be, but after the victory against
 Cal, I wouldn't be suprised if the spread in the Toledo would easily be
 4 touchdowns.....my prediction
                                       Purdue 52,
                                       Toledo  7
 Note for ND game: as for right now
  I look for Purdue to play well against them, but they will falter in the
   4th quarter.....thru 3, it will be even, but ND blows the door down after.

                                                   

Go Boilers!!!!

Scott C. Kramer
kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu

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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: UCLA 92
Keywords: n
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:05:33 GMT

In article <f0AQ03rr7eZq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.194425.10041@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>>
>>>The schedule looks pretty easy by bruin standards.  No monsterious
>>>non-conference opponent and we don't play washington.  I know that
>>>it is a pipe dream, but what would happen if both the Bruins and
>>>Huskies go undefeated? Who would get the Rose Bowl bid.  Would it go to
>>>the Bruins cause Washington went last?  If so where would Washiongton
>>>go with this Bowl Alliance?
>>>
>>UCLA goes to the Rose Bowl, Washington goes to the Bowl Coalition to
>>play a National Champeeenship game
>>
>>cmuck
>
>
>  This would actually be an outcome the Huskies might want to happen; that
>way they could play Miami/ND/whoever for the MNC head-on, that is if no
>bowl alliances get in the way.
>
>  The way the Rose Bowl works for the Pac-10, if there is a tie, and the
>teams tied have no head-to-head games against each other, the team that has
>not been to the Rose Bowl the longest gets to go.  If it's a three-way tie,
>any team which beat the other two head-on will go to the Rose Bowl- otherwise
>it goes back to who hasn't been there the longest.  Starts getting complicated
>at this point, because I guess it could be possible in a three-way tie that
>one team has lost to the other two teams.
>
>  So who is predicting UCLA will sweep the Bay Area Pac-10 teams? :-)
>
I am not predicting that UCLA will win the PAC-10.  I just think that
it is an interesting possibility.  Washington is the only team in the PAC
that does not control its own destiny at this time.  Would Washington
go to the Bowl alliance or would they go to the bowl for the second
place PAC-10 team?  Could the National title possibly be decided
in the Aloha Bowl?

ANyway I thought that it was important to bring this up now before
the bruins lose their first PAC game and make this a mute point



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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: David Palmer
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:04:40 GMT


Let's see what all the rsfc folks think about Alabama's David Palmer, who
was lucky enough to get off by being treated as a minor for his *first*
DUI, that got another DUI (that makes two in three months).

Regardless of whom he plays for, the kid obviously needs help bad, most 
folks in Mississippi would be sittin in jail for a while on their second
offense that quickly.



David

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From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How does the tie result change ND and Michigan ranking?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:18:40 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <BILLMS.92Sep14111953@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>   How do you guys think the ranking ND and Michigan after tie result?
>
>   My predication is  ND ==> 4 and Michigan ==> 5 . What do you think?
>
I heard it on the radio yesterday. Michigan drops to 6 and ND to 7.

I think top 5 are
	1. Miami
	2. Washington
	3. Florida state
	4. Florida
	5. Texas A & M


	I think this is about right. ND tied at South bend. Any comments

	Parag
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: TOP 10 TEAMS: WHO HAS THE EASIEST SCHEDULE?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:38:10 GMT

In article <5147@news.duke.edu> ds4@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
>In article <67526@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>|> Let's look at 6 measures selected by yours truly for e
>|> They are:  A) # of returning bowl teams
>|>            B) # of returning winning teams
>|>            C) # of teams in this week's AP top 25
>|>            D) sum of (26-ranking) for all ranked opponents
>|>            E) # of top 10 opponents
>|>            F) # of teams which went to a bowl in 1990 or 1991
>|>            G) sum of all of the above values
>|> 

>I do not know how you came up with criteria D.  I am not sure but it seems as
>if you just added the total rankings of all the ranked opponents.  If this is
>so, I must say, you do not know what the hell you are talking about.  Think about
>this senerio: team 1 plays the number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 teams and the rest
      ^^^^^^^
      scenario  (I love correcting Dukies :) )

>are unranked.  Now team 2 plays the 25th ranked team and the rest are unranked.
>According to you, team 1 just gets a score of 15 and team 2 gets one of 25.
>I'm sorry, but team 1 plays a much tougher schedule.
>
>If that is not what you ment, can you please explain it.
>

Mark DOES know what the hell he's talking about.  He clearly states
"26-ranking".  So team 1 gets a score of 25+24+23+22+21 = 115 and team
2 gets a score of 1.


ObWoof:  Go Jackets!  Go ACC!  The SWC is drowning!
-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

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From: steinse@eng.auburn.edu (Scott E. Steinbrink)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Prediction....
Reply-To: steinse@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:56:17 GMT

	TO FANS OF THE OKLAHOMA SOONERS,	

	It was very correctly pointed out to me (by Marty Henderson,) that
I neglected to mention in my previous post the long-standing tradition 
of excellent football at U. Oklahoma.  Specifically, what I said was that
Nebraska was "no longer the only big boy in the conference."

	In fact, Nebraska has never been "the only."  I did not forget about 
OU when I made my statement, but chose to ignore them in order to make my
point more vehemently.  That choice was poorly made, as it was unfair to both 
NU and OU.  So, to OU fans everywhere,  MY APOLOGIES.

	OU HAS HAD, AND CONTINUES TO HAVE A VERY FINE FOOTBALL PROGRAM,
MY PREVIOUS IMPLICATIONS TO THE CONTRARY NOTWITHSTANDING. 

Scott Steinbrink
WAR BUFFALO!!!!  

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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Hawkeye class ??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:31:35 GMT

jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:

>Several other Hawkeyes were also extremely upset with Walden and some Iowa
>State players, apparently for comments made in the press. Since the reporters
>at the game did not recall any previous comments that would lead to this kind
>of hostility, the reporters pressed the Hawkeye players for the source of
>these comments.  The comments came from: 1) an unidentified Ames newspaper
>article and 2) a paper called "Voice of the 'Clones", a publication which
>nobody here has ever heard of. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was at ISU for a while and I was involved with the atheletic program
there and I never heard of this publication either.


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