HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Weird net feed
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:47:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

In <81178@ut-emx.uucp> foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle) writes:

>For some reason I've been getting repeats of messages from September 27th
>and 28th and no new messages.  I don't know if the problem is something
>weird here at Univ. of Texas or if this is going on down the net.  Any
>comments?

Look outside your door for signs of either Allen Funt, Dom DeLuise or Rod
Serling. If none of them are around, it's probably just a net thing.

dcg :>


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 Quit Paramaters Needed...
From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:33:08 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Oct12.183012.5646@news.columbia.edu>, stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
> 
> 	Well, it seems my ProDOS 8 Technical Reference (Thanks for the
> book, Dave!) is a little bit older than the rest, and it doesn't
> document the ProDOS 8 quit call, or more correctly there wasn't a p8
> quit call at the time.

Ah yes, the old prerelease-of-1.0 ProDOS technical reference. Lotsa stuff 
missing out of that one. 
 
> 	At any rate, I'm writing a small system file, and I need to
> know the P8 quit parameters...  The important thing is how to quit to
> another application, and if there is a way to stack your app, so it
> will be returned upon quit.

On any 8 bit machine or on a IIgs that has been cold booted into ProDOS 8,
there never are any parameters. The parameter count must be 4, and all 
parameters set to zero. The four parameters are one byte, one word, one
byte, one word. 
The only time you can have parameters for the quit call is on a IIgs which
was booted with a 16 bit OS. Then you can do a ProDOS 8 extended quit. With
this call, the parameter count is 4, and the first parameter is $EE, and the
second parameter is a two-byte pointer to a pathname string. The last two
parameters are zero. When you do a quit call with these parameters, the app
corresponding to the path is launched. It can be SYS or S16. ProDOS 8 can't
put a program on the quit stack so quitting the next program won't return to
the program doing the quit call.
This info came from the ProDOS 16 reference, the only thing I've ever run
across documenting the extended quit.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: damin@ackerman.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: Re: has tr been ported by anybody?
Keywords: tr, unix-t0-II
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:41:33 GMT

In article <viking.718252897@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	The unix box at work can do this probably a bit easier, but...
>Has anybody ported tr to the Apple II?  I'm looking for a way to
>replace ctrl-J's with ctrl-M's, and I've considered writing my own
>but don't want to take the month to learn the file routines for
>TML Pascal and make it look good.  There is a converter that will
>strip linefeeds and add them, but that's not quite what I'm after
>here.  Just simple, quick, and for all-out drooling make it an NDA
>along the lines of GScii.  No sense not asking for the moon, eh?

If you own GNO, yes, TR has been ported. I ported the UTOA Shell script over 
to GNO and it works beautifully. 

If you like UNIX, look into GNO. :)
From: bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ShrinkIt GS 1.1
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:09:00 GMT
Organization: Not much!
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu

In <1992Oct12.124222.27023@actrix.gen.nz> David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>Has anyone succeeded extracting the new version of GSHK?

YES!! I downloaded, ran it through BINSCII, and there was the SEA code
ready to run and create the working program.. No mess, no fuss.


By the way, THANKS ANDY!!!!

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:33:12 EDT
From: <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: memory card for //e style IIgs needed
 <1992Oct10.045503.28406@zip.eecs.umich.edu>

Hmmm.  I have one of those "Old GS-RAM cards" that I might be willing to
part with if the price is right...  Fully populated to 1.5 meg too...

...Sal
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.sys.apple2.gno passes 207:30
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:12:35 GMT

kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan) writes:

>> After the newsgroup is (tentatively) created a link to the existing GNO-L 
>> will be created (on the existing GNO-L host machine) to service those who
>> cannot receive the new newsgroup through regular channels.

>Okay, so where should posts to this newsgroup be sent?
>comp.sys.apple2.gno@apple.com? Or someplace else.

  No, if you're reading comp.sys.apple2 you're more than likely going to
get comp.sys.apple2.gno as well.  The USENET guidelines specify a 5 day
wait to allow serious complaints to surface.  None have yet (as far as I
know), so we're on schedule.  csa2.gno will probably appear Monday or
Tuesday.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: SCSI drive
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:37:50 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Oct8.235427.2388@javelin.sim.es.com> mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson) writes:
> 
> Now I havn't tried hooking up a Mac formatted HD to a GS w/system 6.0
> to determine if the HFS FST will automatically recognize the Mac
> volume.  The same might be possible on the Mac if you are using the
> ProDOS file system extension for the Mac.

Provided the Mac drive uses Apple's standard partitioning scheme (I'm
pretty sure that they all do), the IIgs can happily access the Mac's
HFS partitions.

The reverse isn't necessarily true: a drive initialized on a IIgs can
only be accessed from a Mac if it has a Macintosh Device Driver in its
own partition on the drive.

The System 6 Advanced Disk Utilities program will place a Mac driver
on any APPLE brand hard drive, but not on third party drives (normally).

If there is no device driver, the Mac will ignore the hard drive.

Assuming you have a device driver, the Mac can access HFS partitions,
and ProDOS partitions with the help of the ProDOS file system extension.


If you have a drive that is going to be moved back and forth between
the Mac and IIgs, the best option is to initialize it on the Mac
(which will place the appropriate device driver on the drive) and use
the single HFS paritition on either the Mac or IIgs.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: jason9@eskimo.celestial.com (Jason Haskins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple //c self-test (was Re: Apple IIc acting STRANGE!)
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:08:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: eskimo.1992Oct10.190825.4933
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

guillaum@pogo.trl.oz.au (Andrew Guillaume) writes:
> 
> G'day !
> 
> David D Kilzer writes:
> |Have you tried a self-test?  The older-ROM //c's didn't have the
routine
> |built-in, but in the newer ones (including your's) have it.  Try
> |pressing control--open-apple--closed-apple--reset.  The computer
should
> |go through a series of graphic "kaliescope" screens, then give you a
> |message about the system.  If "System ok" appears, every thing
"should"
> |be okay, but still may not be.  If another message appears, I'd
suggest
> |posting it to this newsgroup and asking what it means.
> 
> My understanding is that there are at least three versions:
> - the original //c
> - the UniDisk 3.5 //c
> - the memory expansion //c
> Which of the "newer ones" has the built-in self test ? My //c was
upgraded
> from the first to the second version, but ctrl-oa-ca-reset doesn't
seem to
> do anything. Is there any way of calling the self test (via the
monitor?)
> 
> Andrew Guillaume
> a.guillaume@trl.oz.au

The //c, I believe, has four ROM versions.  Version 255 is the oldest,
followed by 01, 03, and 04, I think it is.  I think it's 03 and 04 that
are Unidisk compatible.
From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Stylewriter on a GS
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:56:35 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany


Can I connect a Stylewriter to my GS.

Is there a System 6 printer driver for the Stylewriter.

Who has one already connected, are you happy with it??

Thanks for any Comments.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 Quit Paramaters Needed...
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:17:43 GMT

In article <mattd-131092113216@city-lights.apple.com> mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:
>GS/OS patches ProDOS 8 to get control on a QUIT and launches the next
>program if the quit type is $EE. The code to do this is not part of ProDOS
>8; it doesn\325t fit in the kernel, and it can\325t go in the \322quit code\323 because
>program selectors swap that out. The enhanced Quit call, therefore, works
>only when GS/OS has been booted.

This isn't a flame...but your post turned out a bit funny since it
isn't commposed entirely of valid (7-bit) ASCII characters.  On an
X-terminal, your post appeared to have black blocks in the place of
apostrophes and quote marks.  In Emacs, the part I quoted from your
message sticks in octal character codes; I changed them to 7-bit ASCII
so you could see what's getting through.  Presumably you meant to say
something like this:

>GS/OS patches ProDOS 8 to get control on a QUIT and launches the next
>program if the quit type is $EE. The code to do this is not part of ProDOS
>8; it doesn't fit in the kernel, and it can't go in the "quit code" because
>program selectors swap that out. The enhanced Quit call, therefore, works
>only when GS/OS has been booted.

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis Apple II/IBM/Star Trek/Aerospace
 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Problems with GSHK 1.1 unpacking
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:21:22 GMT
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
NNTP-Posting-Host: nde.unl.edu

irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

>The fix for this is easy: use BinSCII (the ProDOS 8
>version) on your GS....download all the .BSQ files and unpack on your GS, then
>all should be well.

I don't have to worry about this problem.  Not only can I not compile
anything on this account, but I also can not get any sort of binary
transfer to work, _including_ Kermit Binary.

Add to that the fact I'm running on a 1.25 MB IIgs with 1 3.5" drive, 1
5.25" drive, and a small /RAM5, with no hard drive, I need all the
memory I can get, and that means no installing GScii+, or indeed any DAs
other than Control Panel.

>        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       

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From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ROM 01/AppleTalk/SCSI card
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:44:18 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey) writes:

> So what you're saying is that if you have Slot-7 set to AppleTalk, Slot-1 to
>Your Card, and your SCSI card in slot-1 then everything should work fine with
>the exception that you MIGHT not be able to startup from devices connected to
>the SCSI card? What about the screen-holes, any conflicts?

Yes, that is what I'm saying. There _can't_ be any screen-hole conflicts;
there are seperate screen holes reserved for each slot. The vast majority of
cards can figure out what slot they are in and use the appropriate set of
screen holes -- the only ones that can't have warnings about which slots you
can put them in, and the only example I can think of off the top of my head is
][+ 80 column cards requiring slot 3. The Apple and RamFast SCSI cards work in
any slot that isn't already taken; always have, always will.

You can still boot from the slot 1 SCSI card by setting the startup slot in
the control panel, or by letting the higher slots pass control back to the
boot scan logic. For a while now I have had startup set to slot 5 and the RF
in either 1 or 2. Regardless of whether AppleTalk is on, the IIgs checks the
Apple 3.5 first and boots it if a disk is in the drive, otherwise it scans
down to the RamFast and boots the HD. Very useful, and totally automatic.

>This brings up possibilities such as using this PowerBook 145 here as a
>'server' with or without the need to 'boot' ProDOS across the network.

That's the way to do it. I don't think Personal AppleShare lets you boot off
of it anyway, and the real server software is way overkill for what you want.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: *** Enough of the ModZap War! ***
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:40:17 GMT

t_captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:

>Didn't moderation fail, Jawaid? If people want to act like children, then 
>let them (or us, whatever). I seem to remember something about a piracy 
>flame-war a while back (or was that a "discussion"?)

  Moderation of comp._binaries_.apple2 failed.  Who wants to moderate
discussion postings?  I'm simply recommending to some of the people involved
that what little respect is left for them (and by osmosis on the rest of us)
is fading away every time someone continues the stupid thread.
  Piracy is a compelling issue worthy of being discussed. Things did get
a little out of hand, but there are no hard feelings left.  Hard feelings
are being created left and right in this pointless "debate".

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 Procyon, Inc.              |   for the Apple IIgs!   
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ShrinkIt GS 1.1
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:42:22 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

Has anyone succeeded extracting the new version of GSHK?

I downloaded it successfully, but launching it produces an error $1104
("File is not load file").  As far as I can tell (using DUMPOBJ), the
second load segment 'archive' (static skip code segment) has a large
run of zero bytes near the beginning, and DUMPOBJ thinks that one of
these zero bytes is an END opcode.  It produces a warning about
missing data.

This run of zeros seems to be present in the original BinSCII archive
(large chunk of 'A's near the start of the second block).

Any comments, anyone?

Andy - the list of features looks great!  If I could just get it working...
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (gudat henrik)
Subject: announcement
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:05:20 GMT

Here it is, the DAY COUNTER for GSymbolix 1.7A...
(There're lots of important things below..read on!)
 
             11       5555555555
          11111       55
             11       55
             11       555555555
             11               55
             11               55
             11       55      55
           111111      55555555
 
              ...days left!!
 
 
Status: DONE!
 
Thanks to Andre's help I could finish today the largest About... menu
choice ever written for Apple IIGS computers (as far as I know..) with
more than
 
                 18,000 lines
             or  32,000 bytes
 
of assembly code. (Data: 224kB uncompressed. Only 90kB compressed!)
 
What's left? A nice serial-stamper-utility, of course...
 
Demos soon on InterNet..(in early November)
 
BTW: I'm looking for some generous guys who will upload the demo to AOL
and CompuServe...they will receive a FREE (spell it!) disk with a
COMPLETE demo!! (okay, okay, that's not very much...)
Those of you who would just like to take a look at it, mail US$3 to the
left (LEFT) address below.
 
The 1.7 upgrade features:
- As mentioned above, a MEGA SUPER ABOUT... command
- a dramatically improved formula module that supports complex
expressions
- a better 2D plot module with three color palettes, graph overlay
- four different display modes (FIX, SCI, ENG, Auto) (selectable for
four subgroups [formula, stack, graph, other] individually)
- rewritten, optimized, and de-bugged symbolic commands which support
complex terms (incl. y^(i MOD 4) conversion)
- a modeless periodic system (extension) (very nice picture, took hours
to draw it..)
- several small modifications
- menu icons
- Sound CDev compatibility
- desktop picture friendly
- a completely rewritten manual which will be ready in December (sorry)
- and last but not least a top software consultant in the USA! (Hi
Larry, where are you???)
 
If these eye-popping features can't convince you (I beg you pardon?),
take a look at the article in GS+ (coming soon). More reviews are in
work, and they all come to the same conclusion...
 
[ mail me, InterNet is not the right place to make aggressive
propaganda..]
 
hahaha,
 
henrik

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: kapffer@Informatik.Mathematik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Matthias Kapffer)
Subject: Re: ORCA/Pascal Optimization (repost)
Organization: Computer Science, Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.084624.1@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker) writes:
[...]
|> 	This raises more questions than it answers.  Does {$optimize 7}
|> still cause conflicts with prizm?  Indeed is {$optimize 7} recognised
|> by the compiler or does it substitute {$optimize -1} instead?

The optimization value is just a set of binary coded switches, with one bit for
every independant controllable method. Since there are currently only three and
-1 is represented as all bits turned on {$optimize 7} yields the same code as
{$optimize -1}. Of course, the manual recommends the use of {$optimize -1} for
full optimization since more of the bits may be assigned a meaning in the future.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Subject: Re: IIgs memory for sale...
Reply-To: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:05:44 GMT

In article <1bh9a7INN9a4@ub.d.umn.edu> jrowliso@ub.d.umn.edu (Isildur) writes:
>Well, here's the deal.  I was honestly having trouble selling this thing for
>a decent price so I figured I would go for an unbelievable price...  I have a
>QRAM GS with four megs of ram on it (low power - supercool SIMMS).  Not the
>slow 100ns or even the deadbeat 150ns SIMMS, but true 80ns!  I will part with
>the board (I swear it's never even been out of the box since I sold my IIgs
>about a month after I bought it and had 4 megs in that IIgs already) WITH the
>4 megs of ram for a measley $175.  I will accept any reasonable offer as I
>have no need for this board myself...
>						jrowliso@ub.d.umn.edu

With Roger Wagner selling populated DMA compatible 4Mb boards for $150, I'm
not surprised you're having trouble selling it for a "measley" $175.
I'd buy a NEW board for $25 cheaper anyday.
It makes no difference how fast the SIMMS are - (120ns are fine and I think
even 150ns are fast enough).
The only time you need fast RAM on a GS is in accelerator cache.

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From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ModZap....
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:19:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-scat.jd44976
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.


Ian, sometimes this net, like the rest of the country, is dominated by a
few very ignorant, but very VOCAL loudmouths.... one of the reasons we are
in the predicament we are today.....

Reminds me of a young man I know.... could barely read, was absolutely
incompetent at most endevours.... but boy could he preach!  Loud and
long... he achieved such a following of the ignorant he now has churches
all across the se U.S..... just watch his program, touch the screen, and
FEEL the healing power of GOD (provided you have sent him your 20 buck
donation).....

Ignore the rambling/ravings of the ignorant few.... I, for one, can vouch
for "almost" every GS user in the Tampa, FL area, we like and appreciate
your program, and all the effort you have put into the many versions....

I ask that if you have the time, keep in touch with us folks still using
the GS... any efforts from you will certainly be appreciated, even if you
must devote most of your efforts to another platform..... thanks for all
you have done for us.... the silent majority....
From: moon!cyberden!gasman@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Modzap quits????????
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 15:39:04 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

WHAT THE HECK! Dont stop developing Modzap! OK, guys, admit it: 
SONIQTRACKER #$^%s up ALOT more times than modzap! C'mon! I have both and 
MODZAP WHIPS BUTT!
There. I said it. Now _I_ am going to get 20 people saying I am wrong!
Later,
        Gasman

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