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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:10:50 GMT

wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug16.224815.29756@sequent.com> dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
>>
>>Kinda doubt it.  But I do think that Billy Bob's seat will be open at
>>the end of the year.  Schumacher's clearly earned his spurs. 
>>

>He certainly has.  I think that's why Brundle will KEEP his seat --
>Schumacher will drive for another team next year.  And then only time
>will reveal whether he would have been better off sitting tight
>instead of going to Ferrari or McLaren (I won't even try to guess
>which of the two it will be).

>Dave Wilson


     Michael Schumacher WILL NOT drive for any other team but Benetton in
1993. He isn't going to McLaren, and anything but a Williams would be a step
down for him.

Regards,
Cory

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Lime Rock Vintage Fall Festival
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:37:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.182625.22385@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.145438.21801@watson.ibm.com> w2philip@watson.ibm.com (Philip Darringer) writes:
>>  Also, how much money will I have to find on the
>>street to pay for a ticket?

>now this i don't remember; something like $15 a person for one day.

i now have more detailed information:

                   Advance tickets              At the gate

Friday               N/A                            $5
Saturday             $5                            $10
Sunday               $5                            $10
Monday              $15                            $20
Full Weekend        $30                            $45

cheers,
  richard
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From: tiot_kk@tac.fi (Kimmo Kauranen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Rally of the Thousands Lakes after 5/37 special stages
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:45:53 +0300
Organization: City of Tampere

THE RALLY OF THE THOUSANDS LAKES (JYVASKYLAN SUURAJOT)
======================================================
                                            
The Rally of Thousands Lakes started yesterday. Didier Auriol did
a strong start, he won 4/5 special stages. He knows that in Jyvaskyla
drivers fight for seconds. Juha Kankkunen had difficulties in the
1st SS with his car and he lost few seconds. The young Finnish driver
Marcus Gronholm had a very good start, but in the SS 5 he drove away
from the road. It is not sure that he will continue. He was driving
Carlos Sainz's Toyota. Another young Finnish driver Tommi Makinen (Nissan)
had troubles with Nissan's gearbox in the SS 2 and he lost 43 seconds and
gave 1 minute penalty.

The rally continues today at 9.00 EET. Today drivers will have 13 special
stages (146 kilometers).

Results after 1st day (Thursday 27th August) (5 special stages)
===============================================================
1. Didier Auriol, Fra      Lancia      35.49
2. Juha Kankkunen, Fin     Lancia      -0.12 (12 seconds behind)
3. Markku Alen, Fin        Toyota      -0.15
4. Ari Vatanen, Fin        Subaru      -0.16
5. Francois Delecour, Fra  Ford        -0.44
6. Massimo Biasion, Ita    Ford        -1.04
7. Colin McRae, GB         Subaru      -1.11
   Stig Blomqvist, Swe     Nissan      -1.11
9. Lasse Lampi, Fin        Mitsubishi  -1.44
10.Philippe Bugalski, Fra  Lancia      -2.06

Group N
1. Jarmo Kytolehto, Fin    Mitsubishi
2. Stig-Olof Walfridsson                -0.34
3. Mikael Sundstrom, Fin   Nissan       -0.55

SS 1
====
1. Alen         1.07
   Gronholm 
3. Vatanen     -0.01
   McRae       -0.01
   Blomqvist   -0.01
6. Makinen     -0.02

SS 2
====
1. Auriol       3.52
   Alen
3. Kankkunen   -0.01
4. Vatanen     -0.03
5. Gronholm    -0.05
6. Delecour    -0.07
   Blomqvist

SS 3
====
1. Kankkunen   11.52
   Auriol
3. Vatanen     -0.02
4. Alen        -0.04
5. Delecour    -0.07
6. Makinen     -0.08

SS 4
====
1. Auriol       7.16
2. Alen        -0.03
3. Kankkunen   -0.04
4. Vatanen     -0.09
5. Delecour    -0.10
6. Makinen     -0.11

SS 5
====
1. Auriol     10.48
2. Vatanen    -0.05
3. Kankkunen  -0.06
4. Makinen    -0.11
5. Alen       -0.12
6. Delecour   -0.21

-- 
---
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                *  City of Tampere, FINLAND
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: F1 News (Sauber, Ferrari)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:29:07 GMT

The new Sauber F1 car had its first outing at a track called Lurcy-Levis (?)
in central France yesterday (Tuesday, September 1) with Karl Wendlinger at
the wheel.  Although they had some teething problems with the gearbox and
the steering wheel, the test was considered successful.

In an interview with the local daily press about a week ago, Peter Sauber
said that they will belong to one of five teams directly supported by
Goodyear, the others being Benetton, Ferrari, McLaren, and Williams.  He
also mentioned that they are using one of the Mercedes sports cars as
a test lab for novel ideas such as "alternative" braking systems, traction
control systems, and active suspension.  No comment was made if and when
they would use such systems in the Sauber F1 car.

On Monday evening (August 31), Gerhard Berger and Niki Lauda appeared
in the weekly "Sport Arena" (no translation necessary, I guess ;-) on
Austrian TV.  Unfortunately, I missed the beginning, so I don't know
what they said about the Belgian GP, if anything.  IMNSHO, the host was
quite a jerk, calling Niki "the new commendatore" at Ferrari several
times and suggesting that Gerhard Berger now had the chance to finally
become F1 World Champion.  Gerhard clearly did not like this and said
that first of all, they would have to see that Ferrari could win some
GPs.  Winning a championship would not be easy, because it depended on
so many things, including a bit of luck.

There were also a few interesting coments.  Lauda said that he got the
impression that Senna was only interested in driving for Williams quite
early in his negotiations with him.  Berger said that in his opinion,
contracts with clauses that precluded specific drivers as team mates
(such as Mansell's and Prost's contracts) were a bad thing.  He said
his contract with Ferrari for 93 and 94 guaranteed him #1 status in
the team regardless of who the other Ferrari driver will be.  For 93,
it will be Alesi, but Alesi's contract will run out at the end of 93.
Berger claimed that on the grounds of his contract, he would not be
worried if Senna joined the team for 94.  (I just can't imagine Senna
as his #2, though, no matter what the print on Berger's contract says.)

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Cheever/Ganassi
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:28:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.152752.20002@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
> He [AJ] had intended to go with Jeff Andretti this entire
>season, until Indy happened.

any word on what shape Jeff Andretti is in?  is his return anticipated
any time soon?

>Other IndyCar hunches for '93:

>- Pat Patrick/Doug Shierson are attempted to team up and return in '93.
>I'll bet they're talking with Ford.

Pat Patrick certainly isn't talking with Chevy.

>- A big IF is will Rahal go to a 2-car enterprise?

seems unlikely to me; he didn't like Galles much because he didn't
like the 2 car team.  but then, he may like being _owner/driver_ in
a 2 car team better.

>- Lyn St. James has been working VERY hard in putting together a full-
>season ride for '93.  My sources tell me it's pretty close.  She'll
>probably run out of the Dick Simon stable.  Simon is likely to switch
>from Chev to Ford next year.

i was under the impression that this was close to a sure thing, on
all of these points.

cheers,
  richard
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From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Two +/- zero
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:30:09 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <thos.715310287@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>True. Is it illegal for teams to run more than 2 cars? 

YES.  This year and for many years past.  I wonder when this started.  Didn't
there used to be several Mercedes and suchlike in days of yore?
This year it seems to be frowned on to run only one car - I suppose this is to
ensure the sport remains properly elitist and expensive.:-)

Hugh
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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:48:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Other rumors (Was F1 News: Patrese to Benetton! (Brundle dropped))
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Sounds good to me.  Could it be that Benneton got tired of the shunts
Brundle caused with Schumacher?

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From: paulg@pyramid.COM (Paul Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IMSA (Jaguar)
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:25:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

[Thanks for the article James...musta been great talking 
w/ Davey]

I'm more than a little suprised that Jag and Nissan aren't
up in arms about how Toyota's are just blowing away the
field.  All the races I've seen this year has Toyota just
smoking off the field.  Davey Jones, and Geoff Brabham it
seems to me are having to take their cars beyond it's limits,
just so they don't get lapped...  This would account for the
abnormal amount of crashes both Nissan and Jaguar have had this
year. (er..just remembered Mazda too)

	IMSA prides itself on it's weight distribution system,
saying that it makes for close and exciting racing.  This would
hold true, if they used the system logically.  It really seems to
be nothing but politics. I haven't seen a "fair" race in about
two years or so, when both Nissan and Jag seemed about even and
the winner of the race was unknown. IMSA promptly screwed that up the
next year by penalizing Jag heavily. As it stands now, you couldn't
even hold a pick 6 for IMSA, because 1-2 and possibly third place
are always known. 
	To add insult to injury by giving Nissan, Mazda and Jag more
weights next year, while leaving Toyota alone is not going to make
for an exciting season..(and as you pointed out James...is probaly
gonna drive teams out of the sport).  IMSA needs to re-examine how
it assigns' weights and start doing what they say the do.  Use the
weights to make racing close...
			-PaulG

Going fast is easy, it's stopping that's the hard part.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Bubba's Vote
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:33:03 GMT

A very interesting subject matter.......

Re:  Politicians sponsoring a race car - would it be offensive
if "I Like Ike" appeared on the Hudson's next year?

Re:  Bush's name linked to a car and or race - wouldn't work.
Too many folks would be confused - are they referring to the
Series (Busch Grand National) or the Beer?

Re:  Disruption at the track when the vote-getters make an
appearance -- Fred Armstrong (MRN announcer) told me that when
Bush (the President, not the series or the beer) was at Daytona,
the Pit/paddock areas were fully sealed off and it was so bad
that nobody could get in there.  I believe he said they even
put up some sort of plastic sheathing (like the garbage bags)
so you couldn't even look inside.  A large militia of secret
service guys all hanging around as well.  Furthermore, who want
s to watch races with Suburbans full of the SS out on the track.
If they want to do that, I think it should be mandatory that they
stay out there for the full 500 miles.

A friend of mine, who's somewhat involved in racing, is currently
running for public office.  During this time, he goes by another
name in the racing biz, so that no one will think he's using it
as a means of campaigning.  No one has a clue.  It works.

-c'ball-
From: kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Road America comments (spoilers)
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:10:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Aug24.094751.22980@wes.on.ca>, by (Tom Haapanen):
> 
> Oh yes -- a very nice track.  Wouldn't mind seeing some Formula 1 machinery
> there for a USGP!

It is a beautiful track.  You have to be there in September when the leaves
are changing color to truely appreciate how great it is.  Not close to be
best for spectators though, because you can only see a little bit of the
course from any one spot.

I also would love to see a GP there but I am a realist.  The management
has nixed the idea on more than one occasion.  The pits and garage area
would have to be expanded and improved considerably.  The track is too
long and narrow for good coverage.  At 4 miles, it is one of the longest
tracks around.  There is a shorter version but that is only used by
amateur classes because it is too short.  The GP committee would ask for
too many changes before a GP could be held there.  Spa wouldn't be on
the circuit if there weren't certain conditions that were grandfathered
so as to make it unnecessary to get approval.

Kit Kimes
AT&T Bell Labs (under contract to NCR)
Naperville, IL
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:49:28 GMT

shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>I had a Formula 1 dream...and it DIDn't include:-
>
>Senna
>Mansell
>Prost
>Ron Dennis
>McLaren
>Cigarettes
>Frank Williams.
>
>And do you know -
>
>it was wonderful. I dreamt of Herbert and Hakkinen, of Berger and
>Brundle, of Schumacher and Alesi, all racing reasonably equal cars
>and ENJOYING themselves.
>
>No mega-buck intrigues. No whingeing. No dodgy race tactics. Just
>good engineering and hard racing.
>
>sigh.
>
Me too! And the cars were painted in national colours.
-- 
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Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Lola BMS Scuderia Italia (was Re: Road America 200 Results)
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:46:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Cory James Padfield (cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: 
:       You are quoting from Autoweek, and that story is very WRONG. Lola will
: be building cars with Dallara, not Larrousse. Ferrari engines will be used.

Not correct. Lola will be working with _SCUDERIA ITALIA_, the entrants of the
Dallara cars. Dallara are just another Italian formula 3 (and disastrous F3000)
constructor who got lucky and landed a contract to build F1 cars for Scuderia
Italia. It just happens that Scuderia Italia currently runs Dallara-built
cars. Presumably Dallara will then be free to work with other teams.

(side issue- if Scuderia Italia are _entrants_ rather than _constructors_, 
then why haven't they had the same problems with Constructor's Championship
points which Larrousse and Lola had in 1990?)

Pete
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From: bsherman@pyrxbooter.eng.pyramid.com (Brad Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR News
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:17:52 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Are NASCAR tidbits still being posted to this news group or has a new
newsgroup for NASCAR been formed?  It's been so long since I've read
anything here related to NASCAR, I'm beginning to wonder if I've
missed something. 

Brad
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:40:51 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <thos.715310287@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <92243.133308JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>I think Benetton will challenge the Williams boys as well, but I think
>>Lotus and Ferrari might be up there also. With the narrow tires
>>we might find that a lot of cars are competitive. There were several
>>cars and drivers that put on some good shows this year. Footworks
>>might be up there.
>
>With the narrow tyres grip will be at a premium (obvious statement #3a)
>and those cars with the better suspension will be advantaged. This means
>Williams, McLaren (if they have it working to their approval), Lotus
>and maybe Benetton. I don't think it will close the field that much.
>The top teams will be top, and the poorer teams will be slower. I tend
>to the view that running on pump petrol will bring the teams closer than
>tyre changes.

The tyre changes will also reduce the physical strength needed to drive
the cars quickly.  I don't think its a coincidence that Mansell &
Patrese are two of the heaviest drivers in F1. I suspect they need all
the strength that they can get.

Satoru Nakajima was never strong enough to brake heavily in the dry. 
I think that some of the other Japanese drivers will be more competitive
in next years cars.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: moretti@ferrari.stl.dec.com (john moretti)
Subject: Re: Another Fiat Question
Reply-To: moretti@redbck.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital  Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:15:47 GMT


Hey you guys !!! I got a FIAT 2300S andit goes like the clappers with never a worry
but then again I fully restored it and blue-printed and balanced the motor so that 
it will rev to 9000 rpm and starts first time with a little choke.

For those of you who have never seen the car it was built by Ghia when they were 
a real body builder for GOOD car companies and the motor is only 2.3 litres and will
run to 125 + mph and will tour all day at 100+ with passengers totally unaware.

It gets 25mpg and has 4 wheel discs, and comes with the mandatory rust unless your
car has been in a garage all its life like mine. These are fairly rare cars and 
look quite good in the flesh but photograph poorly, are heavy to drive in town
but are delightful to drive at high speed which is what they were made for.

You don't need to be rich to own an Italian car, you just have to have worked on
a lot of cars ALL your life. In Oz ya can't find a good and trustworthy mechanic
so ya do it yourself.
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:56:16 GMT
Subject: F1 Qualifying tYres
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


	What happened to qualifying tYres, then ?
	I thought they were still in use.

	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Generic Racing Tidbits
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Sep 1992 08:10 EST  

In article <1992Sep3.150745.12589@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) 
writes...
>In article <1992Sep2.165731.4576@dracut.keps.kodak.com> 
rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts) writes:

>>Say it isn't so! What will happen to the "hat-man"? You know, the
>>guy who kinda looks like Kenny Rogers that changes the hats for
>>the winner in Victory Circle. It's my understanding he's a Unocal 
>>person. (Please tell me that this guy did something besides change hats :-)

>I believe his name is Bill Broderick, who has been with Unocal for
>a long time -- maybe back to when it was 'Pure'.  Not sure of his
>"official" position within the corporation, but the "hat-man" duties
>sure do lead to a lot of prime on-camera time.

I think his title is "VP of Marketing" or something like that (can't verify 
his name).  There was an article in _Stock Car Racing_ in the last year or 
so about him, noting how chaotic victory lane/circle was before he became 
the "post race boss."  Kind of like being ringmaster at the post-race 
circus.

>At most of the races, notice that he's always the first guy to the
>car in victory lane.  I read something once about how orchestrated
>and serious the 'hat-exchange' really is.

He might not always be the first man to the car, but he is always in 
victory lane.

JD
From: t9014153@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Honda to stay in F1?
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:14:47 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


Can anyone shed any light on this?

During last night's BBC coverage of the Belgian GP, Murray or James (can't
remember which) said that Senna is not keen to stay at McLaren in 1993
because Honda does not intend/will not be spending "anywhere near as much as
they have for the last few years".

Am I to understand by this that a _less committed_ Honda will front up next
season?

theFLY
(alias Joe Renda
       T9014153@phillip.edu.au
)