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From: ep1a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Eimal Paulsen)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: Most evil looking....
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:54:24 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How about the Ka-50 Werewolf? There's a "pretty" good article about it
in Aviation Week Farnborough in Revue issue. It's incredibly ugly! It
makes the AH-64 Apache look beautiful. It's also much tougher than the
Apache, with steel armour. Everything is attached to a airframe box
instead of the skin for greater structural integrity in case of a hit.
The fuel tanks being hidden inside are less vulnerable and reportedly
have withstood fire from a Vulcan 20 mm gatling, and a russian cannon
that I can't remember, in tests. It has twin co-axial rotors.

Eric Paulsen

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From: stote@tomcat.den.mmc.com (M. Stote)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: PAUL GARBER
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:18:47 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group

In article <1992Sep28.154445.5331@walter.bellcore.com>, jem3@pyuxf.uucp (25312-mc killop) writes:

 
|> Supposedly, the NASM was to build an annex at Dulles International
|> Airport over in Virginia.  Then I read that some idiots in Congress
|> wanted to move it to several other states.  Does anyone know the
|> status of the annex project and did they finally shut these idiot
|> politicians up?

What stupid idea!!! Imagine wanting a second site for the NASM so that people
who live in the western part of the country could see some of the treasures
restored by NASM!!!!   What an incredibly ridiculous idea!!!  Of course the
annex should be built at Dulles.  That way all the politicians can tour it
as they come and go on their junkets.  

--
Mike Stoughton
stote@den.mmc.com
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Most evil looking mother that ever flew (was Re: F-23 Dead? Nahh....
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:45:41 GMT


I once read that the WWII Stuka dive bomber actually did have a siren
attached to its fixed landing gear. Plus, the speed brakes supposedly
added their own evil noise during dive-bombing attacks.

I even read that in some cases the bombs themselves were fitted with sirens.



Simon
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From: bdd0066@venus.tamu.edu (bryan duke)
Subject: Re: PAUL GARBER  
Followup-To: sci.aeronautics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:00:00 GMT

In article <154@newave.newave.mn.org>, john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes...
>In <1992Sep25.121457.4802@eng.umd.edu> lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind):
>
>I wonder what the logic of the NASM is in restoring the Enola Gay, a plane
>that they will never be able to display, and of a relatively common type
>(as far as museums go) while some truely one of a kind German and Japanese
>planes of WWII remain hidden from view at the Garber facility.
> 
I don't seem to understand why you think the plane is not worth restoring.
The only reason I could see why they would never display it would be
because of it's size.  My roomate (well not for this semester) works
there restoring a Hurricane and from what I gather, the Enola Gay 
restoration is going well.  Oh yeah--well--another reason you might (maybe)
think it could never be displayed is because of leftover radiation.
Apparently, they monitor the levels constantly, and the plane is safe
to all.  I think the plane should be restored--after all, it is quite
a historic craft.  Not many places can say that they have the plane
that dropped THE first bomb.  

But anyway.....

This was not meant as a flame--  :)  see, smily face.

bryan
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From: bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin)
Subject: Re: Most evil looking mother that ever flew (was Re: F-23 Dead? Nahh....
Organization: Detroit Institue of Criminal Arts and Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:07:59 GMT

My vote would also go for the A-10 when it loaded wingtip to wingtip
or the B-52 with a black underbelly.



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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: info wanted on ZMC-2 dirigible
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:48:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

A friend of mine is doing some research on dirigible design and asked me for
help since I have access to a better library.  I thought I'd check on the net 
for one particular tidbit though.

The US Navy (?) apparently built one dirigible, named the ZMC-2, which had a 
shell of aluminum rather than fabric.  I'm looking for some technical details
(e.g. thickness of the shell and inflation pressure).  Does anyone know a good
reference in which to look, or perhaps have access to such data?

			Thanks.
-- 
Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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ISDS, UIUC, NSS, IBM FSC, NCSA, NMSU, AIAA or the American Association for the
                      Advancement of Acronymphomaniacs
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: TEEN TALK BARBIE
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  5 Oct 92 17:48:56 GMT

bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.200215.7008@cs.ucla.edu>, quam@humpback.cs.ucla.edu (David Quam) writes:
>|> >In <9210020414.AA23034@quaestor> carasso@inference.com writes:
>|> >
>|> >% Just heard that Mattel Toys has just made a talking Barbie that has
>|> >% four canned messages it speaks.  One of the messages is "Math classes
>|> >% are hard."  The other messages are supposed to pertain to hair and
>|> >% shopping...
>|> >% Yet another way to drive the M-F ratio in the sciences to even worse levels...
>|> >% The official name of the product is "Teen Talk Barbie".
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Don't be too hasty now!  The doll also says "I'm studying to be a
>|> doctor".

>Who can't add?

	Aside from the usual "does this really belong in x.x newsgroup",
maybe we should boycott because the doll doesn't say -

"Fire up the J58's and let me at that Blackbird....."

:-)

Duane
From: gcr8829@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Gustav C. Rettke)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: How can the F-117 fly...
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:41:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: fsl

From article <92272.102248AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>, by AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca:
> I'm not sure of the numbers, but the F-117 is nicknamed the "Wobbly Goblin"
> and the pilots that train to fly the F-117 train in the A-7 (I think)
> because the flight characteristics are the same.  So just check up on the
> A-7 and you should have an approximate answer.
> 
> Check six.
> Paul
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From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics,sci.anthropology,sci.astro,sci.bio,sci.edu
Subject: Re: TEEN TALK BARBIE
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:44:29 GMT
Organization: Physics Morgue, The University of Queensland

In article <Bvnoyt.L53@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.134133.5876@relay.nswc.navy.mil> bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct2.200215.7008@cs.ucla.edu>, quam@humpback.cs.ucla.edu (David Quam) writes:
|> >|> >In <9210020414.AA23034@quaestor> carasso@inference.com writes:
|> 
|> >|> >% Just heard that Mattel Toys has just made a talking Barbie that has
|> >|> >% four canned messages it speaks.  One of the messages is "Math classes
|> >|> >% are hard."  The other messages are supposed to pertain to hair and
|> >|> >% shopping...
|> >|> >% Yet another way to drive the M-F ratio in the sciences to even worse levels...
|> >|> >% The official name of the product is "Teen Talk Barbie".

|> >|> Don't be too hasty now!  The doll also says "I'm studying to be a
|> >|> doctor".
|> 
|> >Who can't add?
|> 
|> THIS is not too serious; many people, including many mathematicians, are
|> not that great at arithmetic.  The more serious problem is 
|> 
|> 	Who has no idea of when to add.

At least where I come from, doctors have to
do physics as part of their training. And 
you can't do physics without maths. So even
if our hypothetical and extremely suggestible 
barbie owner does decide to become a doctor, 
she will have difficulty making the grade.

-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: How can the F-117 fly...
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:55:59 GMT

In article <92272.102248AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>, <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>I'm not sure of the numbers, but the F-117 is nicknamed the "Wobbly Goblin"

This is a myth started by Tom Clancy. From pilot accounts, it flies quite quite
well. Just gotta keep the speed up.


                               ******
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Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Subject: Re: Most evil looking mother that ever flew (was Re: F-23 Dead? Nahh....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Sep 1992 07:37 EST  

In article <1992Sep25.195649.12417@datascope.com>, jld@datascope.com (Jay L. Davis) writes...
>While technically not a plane, the AH-64 Apache is an "aircraft", so my vote
>goes to it. If I was ever in a combat situation, the most horrifying sight
>(assuming I was on the opposing side) would be a fully loaded Apache
>appearing from behind a hill.
> 

The Iraqis certainly seemed to agree with you!  :-)

-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics,sci.anthropology,sci.astro,sci.bio,sci.edu
From: PJF4081@CC.UTAH.EDU (big daddy hate box)
Subject: Re: TEEN TALK BARBIE
Organization: HATE INC.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:17:18 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <9210020414.AA23034@quaestor> carasso@inference.com writes:

% 
% Just heard that Mattel Toys has just made a talking Barbie that has
% four canned messages it speaks.  One of the messages is "Math classes
% are hard."  The other messages are supposed to pertain to hair and
% shopping.
% 
% Yet another way to drive the M-F ratio in the sciences to even worse levels...
% 
% Some friends called Mattel and found that they're aware that some
% people are unhappy with the message, but will base their decisions on
% "volume" of response.  Phone Mattel at 1-800-421-2887, or send mail to
% Mattel, 330 Continental Blvd., El Segundo CA 90245
% 
% The official name of the product is "Teen Talk Barbie".
% 
% 
% carasso, "currently not accused of being a sexist, but who knows"
% 
% . 
% 
% 

	PJF--->Biochem. grad student.
					React with this!
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: Inflatable aircraft
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:06:16 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <1992Oct6.041848.22747@nuscc.nus.sg> swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes:
>
>When lying on my inflatable bed, I've often wondered if it would be
>possible to create an inflatable wing (with appropriate stiffeners for
>support). I had in mind something like a square shaped wing with a
>proper airfoil and decent wingspan. It would also require a short rear
>structure to control pitch and some ailerons.

A recent episode of WINGS concentrated on inflatable aircraft.  Really
bizzarre.  Rubber all around, with the exception of some very simple
wing-twisting cables.  Little tiny ultralight engines.  Apparently, they
were developed for rescue operations: to either air-drop an airplane
to a stranded pilot, or send in someone to pick someone else up...

All activity appears to have been done in the 60's.  Nothing came of it.






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Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
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From: eric@cs.ruu.nl (Eric Nieuwland)
Subject: El Al 747 Crash in Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:56:04 GMT
Organization: SERC/RUU
Followup-To: sci.aeronautics

Yersterday, Sunday Octobre 4th, at 18:45h local time an El Al 747F
(frighter) crashed into a 9 storey high appartment building. At least
40 houses completely vanished. Officials say perhaps 200 lives were
lost.
The plane was heading for Tel Aviv and was completely fueled. The
fire lasted til early this morning.

The pilot reported a fire in two engines (I think they said on the right)
ten minutes after the plane left Schiphol Amsterdam Airport. He wanted to
return to the airport but failed. Eyewitnesses say the plane made one or
two turns before it went down and crashed. During these turns it lost the
burned engines. Some claim to have seen an explosion, possibly responsible
for the loss of the engines.

Since this was an El Al airplane, people started talking about a possible
terrorist attack. Others say this is 'just' an accident. The 13 year old
machine is said to have been in a fine condition.


Does anyone out there know how a 747 can have a fire in two engines at the
same time? Personally, I was thinking about a leak in the fuel supply (or
a leaking tank). This could explain why there was an explosion which ripped
the engines off the wing.

Any comments?

--eric
From: schaefer@sal-sun63.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: Inflatable aircraft
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:34:48 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun63.usc.edu


+   306	 v07i025:  hp48comp.lg - Compiler for HP48   [712] Laurent Grand       In article <1992Oct6.041848.22747@nuscc.nus.sg>, swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes:
|> 
|> When lying on my inflatable bed, I've often wondered if it would be
|> possible to create an inflatable wing (with appropriate stiffeners for
|> support). I had in mind something like a square shaped wing with a
|> proper airfoil and decent wingspan. It would also require a short rear
|> structure to control pitch and some ailerons. I would see a number of options:
|> 
|> 1. Suspension of the pilot a la paragliders with lines controlling
|> appropriate control surfaces.
|> 
|> 2. A short boom descends from the tail structure to provide seating
|> and/or 3-axis control.
|> 
|> There is an ultralight sailplane called the monarch which has such an
|> abbreviated tail unit and pilot enclosure.
|> 
|> I see a couple of advantages:
|> 
|> 1. Footlaunchable with the portability of a paraglider (almost) with much 
|> better aerodynamic performance perhaps even than some hang gliders.
|> 
|> 2. Cheap to  manufacture
|> 
|> Cons?: 
|> Subject to UV degradation
|> Perhaps too much "stiffening" support would be needed to make it very
|> portable.

	I believe this has been done.  Goodyear experimented with an inflatable
aircraft many years ago. They made a number of breakthroughs in laminated rubber
materials.  The plane worked pretty good.  Not fast or anything.
			Peter Schaefer
 
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From: waelder@navaho.uucp (25612-waelder)
Subject: Re: Ram Jet
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 04:31:18 GMT

Ramjet engines sound interesting. Can anyone please send me a
list of texts which cover the design and operation of ramjet
engines. What I'm looking for is information which will allow
designing, building and using it along with a composite solid
fule rocket motor on a high power rocket design.
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Most evil looking mother that ever flew (was Re: F-23 Dead? Nahh....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:47:24 GMT

ahogan@av8r.uucp (Alicen Hogan) writes:

>Although the Apache did make quite the impression, I hear that it
>really didn't take much to make most Iraqi's drop their weapons and
>surrender.  In fact, one of the captured actually walked up to an
>American soldier and said, "I was wondering when you guys were going
>to get here!"  Granted he was educated in the US, but what can one
>say.

"Doesn't take much" indeed!  I read that Iraqis were surrendering to reporters.

>With all this talk about impressive aircraft, I'm surprised no one has
>mentioned the A-10, Warthog.  Granted, it's been out for a while and
>it doesn't LOOK as impressive as most, but it delivers a hard punch
>and can take more hits than some of the others previously discussed.

The A-10 gets my vote too.  Sure, it doesn't look sleek and fast, but it 
doesn't have to :-)     

-- 
Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
	 The views expresed above do not necessarily reflect those of
ISDS, UIUC, NSS, IBM FSC, NCSA, NMSU, AIAA or the American Association for the
                      Advancement of Acronymphomaniacs
From: jstewart@Software.Mitel.COM (John Stewart)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: Ram Jet
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:54:53 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Oct2.201839.5255@walter.cray.com> sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson) writes:
>There was an article in Smithsonian Air and Space about a while back about
>the development of the ram jet in Germany.  They had a photo of a test
>setup consisting of a 55 gallon drum minus both ends strapped to the
>top of a car.  It reportedly proved the concept....

I used to own a home that I heated with wood. Every fall, it was clean
the stove pipes time. I used to take them apart into 3' sections, and prop
them up at about a 30 degree angle. A piece of newspaper in the lower end,
lit with a match always made one heck of a hot, noisy exhaust. Imagine
my surprise the first time I did it. :-)

John Stewart
jstewart@software.mitel.com
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: Re: F-15 Thrust to weight
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:14:26 GMT

 The old Soviet Mig 25 could that high, and at mach 3, but based
>on the specs I ead th Mig probaby couldn't do much more than fly in a straight
>line.
>
	Two Mig-25's flew over Middle East (over Isreal, I think) in early
1970's.  One made a speed record of Mach 2.8 and the other one made 
Mach 3.2!  The speed was measured pretty accurately from ground by using
the simple V=D/T by using precision tools.  However, from the later 
report, both of those Mig's got their engine completely "burned out", and
had to make emergency deadstick landing at a Russian airfield near by.
	Basically, Those Mig's can't even excute anything more than 1.5
G during those high-speed flying or their wings would get tear apart.
					Ming
	(All above info's are recalled from the memory, thus could be
off a little bit :)
	BTW:  I believe that all "Streak Eagle"'s record were broken
by Russian's Mig again, didnt it?
From: s894214@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Gareth John Coco)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: X-31 Info needed.
Summary: I want X-31 info please.
Keywords: X-31,Info
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:03:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

Gidday,
	I was wondering if anybody knows how the X-31 project is
going.  I have read the info in the X-Planes book but this is very
limited in its information.  I know that flight trials have started
but I was wondering what tests had been carried out and if any
important information had been discovered.

Please mail me at : s894214@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU
or post if you think there is enough interest.
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From: pwg25888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Patrick W. Grady)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: Inflatable aircraft
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:49:46 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes:

>When lying on my inflatable bed, I've often wondered if it would be
>possible to create an inflatable wing (with appropriate stiffeners for
>support). I had in mind something like a square shaped wing with a
>proper airfoil and decent wingspan. It would also require a short rear
>structure to control pitch and some ailerons. I would see a number of options:

		>>Lots of stuff deleted<<

>Comments?

>Perry Morrison


	Goodyear has done this already, and then shelved it because it was in
part a military experiment. Looked awesome as an idea, even amphibious.  I saw
this on Wings on the Discovery Channel.


	Patrick
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From: msolomon@mitre.org (Moise Solomon)
Subject: PD Hydrodynamic Analysis Software
Followup-To: sci.aeronautics
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:17:33 GMT

I am looking for a public domain or low cost software package to perform
hydrodynamic analysis (drag, lift, etc...) on different sailboat keels.  Is
there something available?

Moise Solomon
msolomon@mitre.org

Standard Disclaimer Applies
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics
Subject: why all this chit-chat in this group?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:50:06 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu



	I hate to be a spoil-sport (and I love a good chat as much
	as the next guy), but that should take place outside of
	the sci.* hierarchy.  Otherwise folks who might have something
	to contribute which might fit the group-name just go off elsewhere...

	(I guess every sci.* group should be moderated, period!)

ps: please send hate-mail to VP Quayle - he needs the attention.
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