Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:22:02 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Election (Chinese, Are you jealous?)

>From: tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao)
>Subject: Re: Election (Chinese, Are you jealous?)
>Date: 13 Nov 92 21:21:03 GMT

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>A lot of debate about the voting right and voting system,
>a lot of misunderstanding and false concepts. But this kind of discussion is
>definitely benificial to China and chinese. Very encouraging and healthy!!

>My observation:

>1. NO FREE SPEECH, NO FREE PRESS then the voting is just a joke.

>Few of the netter ever memtion about these. Voting is the most significant
>symbol of democracy.But it is not purely based on those things aforememtioned,
>the press has to let people know more about the candidates, their PASS RECORD,
>their personality,the feasibility of their promiss..., without a free press and
>free speech, all these are impossible.d

>So before we get true voting right in mainland china, let get the freedom of
>press and freedom of speech first.

                 Why this sequence?
                 Why must those freedoms be first?
                 Why cann't we do it , improve it and get more
                 freedoms while in progress?

>2. The ideal of democracy, "of the people, by the people and for the people",
>its prerequisite is the people are well educated (not necessary formal
>education) and well informed, otherwise, how could they be able to make
>wise decision, again, free press has to be there. Considering the current
>situation in mainland, I don't think the majority people are able to make
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>wise decision for themself, but that does not mean we are doomed with
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>dictatorship. We shall have a plan how to let people learn this serious
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>bussiness called democracy. Read the "3 principles of the people" by Dr.
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>Sun Yat-sen,the ideal in it might be some what simplistic but yet enlightening.


                   What do you mean by wise decision for themself?.
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                   They may not think democracy is the most serious
                   bussiness.
                   Each individual knows his/her best interest.
                   They have right to like or dislike dictatorship
                   or democracy.
                  If they believe they are not well informed,
                  more information surely is coming.


>3.Another thing some people necglect(?) is the time limits on the public
>office, every some years, the persons holding the office have to let the
>contituents decide if he or she has done a satisfactory job, if not, she or he
>will be thrown out, like poor prisident Bush.

>Eric

                 Anything new to the constitution of china?

                 Seems to me that the advocation of america
                 democracy doesn't mean following its principles.

                 Seems to me the fighting agaist ccp  is not
                 based on the constitution unlike Clinton vs.
                 Bush.

                 What a pity, CCP and D-fighters.

                 X Xu
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