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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: New subject-Politics!
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 06:26:23 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 >
 > A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil.
 >
 > If you really think that the "big two" candidates are evil,
 >  does
 > it really matter which of the two is elected?
 >


You are taking my messages to literally.  "lesser of two evils" is 
an expression. I do not believe either Bush or Clinton is evil, just 
that I do not feel that  either one is a great canidate. 

 > Look at the alternatives, Perot, Libertarian, write-ins,
 > etc.
 > and allign your vote behind the candidate(s) you can believe
 > in.
 > If you don't really believe in the candidate(s) that you

 
If you have noticed some of my other messages, you will see
that I have left messages about Perot.

 > vote
 > for, you are throwing your vote away.  The most effective
 > vote
 > is the vote of your conscience.
Voting for what you think is the best canidate ( even though you 
may not really like him), is hardly throwing your vote away.



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From: John.Emmert@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: hsv.politics
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:11:05 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 > None of the boards carried H_Religion, either.
 
I think the key point here is that when religion was discussed in 
this echo, I eventually recieved almost a dozen complaints from different 
about it. So far I've received one about politics, and it wasn't even 
netmail like the others were. 



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From: randy@turq.b8.ingr.com (Randy Paries)
Subject: Intergraph Ice Hockey
Reply-To: randy@turq.b8.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:22:19 GMT

	If you play Hockey , We are looking for people to skate
	with us. A group of Intergraphrs rent Ice once a week for 
	an hour and play Hockey.  We would like to get some more
	players. We do wear equipment.

	If you are interested in playing you can just show up
	at the Ice Plex at the following times or call
	Doug Brewster @ 8830 or Randy Paries @6191.

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	April 22/92	Wednesday	8:45 to 9:45
              27/92	Monday		8:45 to 9:45
	  May 06/92     Wednesday	8:45 to 9:45
	      11/92	Monday		8:00 to 9:00
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From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Politics...
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:48:50 GMT

In article <4344.29DCFFDD@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> Chris.Spray@p0.f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Chris Spray) writes:
>Does everyone remember when the word, "Religion" was in the subject line? 
>Well, I was asked to move the dicussion to H_RELIGION.  
>Now, the subject is politics, but no one is saying a thing about.  We do 
>have a H_POLITICS, you know....Looks as if I might not be the only bigot 
>around here! :)
>
Well if *real* politics are to be discussed, it might be correct to move
the discussion to the other group.  Religon and politics are pretty much
two sides of the same coin.   Did you ever notice how certain religous
groups tend to support the same canadate for office?  

I don't think that the problem will be solved until we can get good 'ol
None of the Above on every ballot in the country. If we could vote 
against Bush without voting for a Buchannen or a Clinton, .....





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Kermit Tensmeyer                                  | Intergraph Corporation
SomeWhere in the South (it's a Civilized place)   | "It's only MY opinion"
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: wiley@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Dave Wiley)
Subject: Re: ac thermostat?
Reply-To: wiley@wiley.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:40:17 GMT

fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford) writes:

>I have a small window air conditioner that I will be putting into
>action this summer.  I would like to set it up on a thermostat such
>that it kicks on at 90 and runs until the temp is down to 80.  Are
>there thermostats that will do this for a standard window unit?

There are thermostats available from Johnson Controls and Hunter that
will probably do this.  I use one to maintain various non-standard
temperatures in my refrigerator (like 50F).  The unit is a small box
with the temperature control on it and a probe attached to a long
flexible wire.  You put the probe where you wish to measure the
temperature - in my case, inside the fridge.  Turn the thermostat on the
appliance (if it has one) to the coldest setting, plug the appliance
into the controller, and plug the controller into the wall. The
controller will turn the power on when the temperature reaches your set
value, and turn off when it has cooled to 3 degrees below that value. 
I'm not sure how much power this controller can handle; obviously it's
sufficient for a refrigerator.  They cost about $40.

--
david wiley               "To survive and enjoy the Tennessee Valley you
Intergraph Corporation     really have to like mucus.  Winter colds lead
205-730-6390               straight into spring and summer allergies.
wiley@wiley.b11.ingr.com   And then there's okra."   - me
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: maxwellb@infonode.ingr.com (Brad Maxwell)
Subject: HOUSE FOR SALE
Keywords: house in Madison
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:25:40 GMT

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	Stereo Intercom system throughout house
	Central Vacuum 
	Recessed Lighting
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	Huge master bedroom
	

Please contact Judith at x4688 or at home at 721-0819.
(House is listed with Chris Holladay of RE/MAX.)

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From: Robert.Wood@f17.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Wood)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: New subject-Politics!
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:29:10 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/17 - NASAU Beach CBIS, Huntsville AL

-> You say that Politicians loose touch with their constituents and 
-> after a time they no longer represent the people back home. (Or at 
-> least you say that is the position of term limitation advocates.)

     That is the position of most term limitation advocates that I've spoken to, yes.  I think this is true to some degree as well.

-> Can someone tell me how to quote from an old article??

     Depends on what type of board you're running off.  Drop your sysop a line on that one, or check for an on-line manual for your board.

-> They have significantly harmed the country, But they were only 
-> doing what the voters wanted. That is the problem.  Somewhere this 
-> country got the idea that government had the power to do anything. 
-> Then it proceeded to do foolish things.
-> 
-> We must change the people first.


     Agreed as well.  However, some more of the logic of term limitation is (as near as I can tell):

   - Many politicians who wish to make a career of high office will tend to concentrate on "keeeping the public happy" by grabbing as much as possible for their folks back home.  While this might seem at odds with the idea that they tend to loose touch with the needs of the people, it really doesn't.  The idea would be for the politician try to get as much as possible for the district, without really worrying about what is TRUELY needed for the district and nation.  In short, more givaways and useless proj

ects that drain funds from more important things.

    - Now, introduce term limits to the equation:  It becomes impossible to create a "career Congressman" or other high official because they simply can't stay in power (this does not exclude professional politicians, however they must switch jobs every so often).

     - With the incentive of a long career in office no longer a possibility, perhaps the field will be taken by people who honestly want to help the nation as a whole.  It also reduces the need to pander to every group in the district.

    I'm not quite sure that I believe in that, but it does make a bit of sense.  It's an idea that bears thinking about (which I haven't done enought to formulate a firm stand on).


-> By the way I'm not certain that just getting more people to vote 
-> would help. I tend to think those who don't vote are  stupid. This 
-> country has enough stupid people who vote as it is.

     I do not think it could hurt much, either.  On the whole, ther are more smart people out there than stupid ones, many just don't vote for apathy's sake.  It should at least average out in the end. 
REW



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: cottle@b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: Re: Hsvl/Madison County Money
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:07:20 GMT

> 
> So YOU'RE the guy who blinded me awhile back...  The lights are a
> continuing cost that would be better used elsewhere.  What's better, your
> slight inconvenience, or better education for children?
> 
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No, its really more of a matter of entering southbound Rideout from the
entrance ramp, or the exit ramp, which can be tricky if not done properly.
I do so hate those nasty head-on collisions.



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Politics...
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:09:03 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

lester@naomi.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Les Bartel) writes:

> In article <1992Apr6.164850.14803@infonode.ingr.com>, tensmekl@infonode.ingr.
> |> 
> |> I don't think that the problem will be solved until we can get good 'ol
> |> None of the Above on every ballot in the country. If we could vote 
> |> against Bush without voting for a Buchannen or a Clinton, .....
> 
> While your idea would be a good protest, it would be better to not only
> take a vote away from Bush, but give it to someone else.  For example
> if 10 people voted for Bush and the rest voted for none-of-the-above,
> Bush would win (right?).  On second thought if none-of-the-above won,
> would the policy state that additional candidates be selected (and
> existing candidates removed from the ballots), and the election redone?

Your second thought is the correct implementation; if the first
case were set up, the incumbents would get a good laugh every
election.

Is there any reason I haven't seen anyone mentioning term limits
on bureacrats, as well as elected officials? Say, ten years, and
go get a real job? It would cut down on the fossils sitting in
offices reading their newspapers all day (a description a former
co-worker made of his boss when he worked at nasa).

I'd also like to see a limit on the size of Congressional staffs,
too--perhaps two plus one per million voters, which as a group
work for *all* the Congressmen from their state. That should be
more than adequate, and substantually reduce costs. I'd also
prohibit any elected official from benefiting from any legislation
(pay raises, increased retirememt, etc.) which they are able to
vote on. (Talk about sonic booms as they leave office....:-) )

So many things that would help, so little prospect that we'll
see them come to pass....

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Term limits
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:38:46 GMT

In article <4452.29E8B1F1@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer) writes:
>>.....  So it's not inconceivable
>>that Mr. Moe's aides might be actively working in Mr. Larry's
> 
>Not inconceivable, but very unlikely. I doubt even in Washington
>will you find very many examples of an aide working for theirs
>boss's opposition.
> 
 Ah heres where the rub comes. At the time that dim wit Aide X stops working
 for Senator C and starts working for Senator D. Senator C isn't the 
 opposition anymore.

 The political opposition in Washington isn't Demo vs Repub. It's those
 in power and them that isn't. The Senate vs the White House. The
 legistrative vs the miltary. Those in Washington vs those in the
 rest of the country (of course you try to bury the hatchet in an election
 year :-) ).

 When it comes time to change jobs, lots of things change including
 politcal allegance.


 DC is a strange place to work let alone live.

 Belive me, it's much better to live here than try to survive there.


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Kermit Tensmeyer                                  | Intergraph Corporation
SomeWhere in the South (it's a Civilized place)   | "It's only MY opinion"
From: Robby.Sperr@f4.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robby Sperr)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Registering me on gateway.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 16:07:00 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/4 - The Aim High BBS, Huntsville AL

I have been leaving messages for you on Gateway for I don't know how long!
 Will you PLEASE register me?  I would like to get some files from your board,
but I am not registered there!  I use to be registered, but all of the sudden,
 I'm a "NEW USER".

                             HELP!
                <<<***### Robby Sperr ###***>>>


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From: Michael.Konor@p0.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Konor)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Hsvl/Madison County Money 
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:03:05 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/8.0 - The Alabama Inferno, Huntsville AL

Once again it seems that Huntsville and Madison county are bent on
wasting a large amount of initial money and a continual waste of money on
the recent project to install all these UNNEEDED highway lights.

The ones I've noticed the most are the ones in the Rideout Road/I-565,
Sparkman/I-565, and Old Madison Pike/I-565 areas.  Our "knowledgeable"
goverments seem to think that a 90 foot pole topped with massive amounts
of candlepower are a necessity on some of these roads intersections.
Many times there are 3-4 on one interchange.

WHY!!!!!!!!!

If it's dark, you have headlights on.  Their not in areas where people
walk (to protect from crime).  And they surely make the people mad that
live close to these interchanges to see a small sun in their windows all
night long.

It really amazes me in these times of decreasing school budgets that
waste like this always crops up.  The cost of erecting/installing one of
these lights compared to the education of a classroom of students, I'd
have to go with the classroom of students.

Who's paying who what??

= FSEDv086b =

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From: nik@nik.b23a.ingr.com (Nik Simpson)
Subject: Re: perot?
Organization: Intergraph Systems Product Marketing
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:41:57 GMT

In article <4380.29E1E8E6@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> Bryan.Durio@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryan Durio) writes:
>Dave Wiley wrote to All:
>
>DW:Perot's contention is that the government is the United States  
>DW:largest business, and that huge deficits and other forms of  
>DW:mismanagement are to be expected as long as we keep electing lawyers  
>DW:and actors to run it.
>       ^^^^^^ 
>I take great exception to that characterization.  Ronald Reagan has an  
>economics degree!!!

	And was probably a better statesman than he was an actor :-)

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: henders@infonode.ingr.com (Greg Henderson)
Subject: Re: Perot & other political stuff
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:52:52 GMT

Robert.Wood@f17.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Wood) writes:
>     The only way real changes can be make under the direction of a
>single individual is if he or she can get a clear majority of the
>American people to send an unambiguous message to Congress.  When the
>smoke clears, no matter how many new faces end up in Washington, no
>matter what party ends up on top, the same old politics WILL be there.
>The same political intertia will be there, "electronic town hall",
>"term limts," or whatever.          

Hear! Hear!  Until the more than a handful of the people decide to
stay informed of the situations in Washington, and hold their elected
officials accountable for their actions, there will be no change in 
the current state of affairs.  

>     The whole (Perot) campaign just feels wrong to me.  Every thing I hear
>about it just sets off my internal fraud alarm.  It just doesn't seem
>to wash.  

Unfortunately, I feel this way about ALL the presidential campaigns.
Very little of what they say seems to wash with me either.

However, I will probably vote for Perot should he get on the ballot.
Maybe I'm just a sucker for his simple approaches to the nation's
problems.   Hearing him speak, he just seems to have integrity, unlike
the feeling I get from "Read My Lips" Bush & "Slick Willie" Clinton, to
name a few.

Yeah, I'm pretty disgusted w/ the whole political situation.

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From: Bryan.Durio@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryan Durio)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: perot?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:35:00 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/7.0 - The Trading Post, Huntsville AL

Dave Wiley wrote to All:

DW:Perot's contention is that the government is the United States  
DW:largest business, and that huge deficits and other forms of  
DW:mismanagement are to be expected as long as we keep electing lawyers  
DW:and actors to run it.
       ^^^^^^ 
I take great exception to that characterization.  Ronald Reagan has an  
economics degree!!!  He knew what to do regarding the economy, did it,  
but it didn't suit the Socialists (i.e., the Democrats) because it  
didn't have enough giveaways, so they bitched about, and concentrated  
on, his early career as an actor.

bryan




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Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Continuation
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:37:22 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:

> I fail to understand why businesses should not pay their fair share of
> taxes.  Do they not use the government services that taxes pay for?  I
> recently read (can't remember where) that in 1950, individuals paid 
> 50.9% of federal taxes collected, and businesses paid 49.1%.  Today, 
> individuals pay something like 82% of federal taxes collected, and 
> businesses pay 18%.  In my mind, something is amiss here.

Ummmm.... T.J., where do you think the money businesses use to pay
taxes comes from? In reality, all taxes are paid by the individuals.

I would prefer a flat 5% on all income derived from non-tax sources.
It's stupid to tax social security, government workers, the military,
people working on government contracts, and interest on Treasury and
savings bonds. All that happens is more money gets run through an
inefficient system, which raises the overhead cost.

A limit on overhead would also be nice; too much of the SSA budget
goes to SSA employees instead of people trying to live off of it.

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
From: John.Emmert@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Reagen?  Lousy actor or lousy president.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 17:25:56 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 >     I was young when Vietnam was going on and I don't really
 > remember
 > the true sentiment of the time about the War (yes I believe
 > it truly was
 > a war but that is a different discussion), but I always
 > got the feeling
 > that the majority of the people were against it or atleast
 > were against
 > it after it ended.  That being the case, why is there such
 > a stink about
 > whether or not someone served in Vietnam?  Since when did
 > serving in
 
Actually every public opinion poll taken during the war showed at 
least a small majority of the American public was in favor of the 
war. The protestors were always a minority. Jane Fonda on the other 
hand acted as the scum of the earth during the war, giving aid and 
comfort to the enemy. I'd best stop discussing her before my remarks 
become unprintable, however I loved Barbarella (mainly because she 
hated it).
 
At issue is not the fact that these politicians did or did not serve 
in Viet Nam, but rather what the circumstances say about the character 
of the person. Did they, or did they not decide to make a personal 
sacrific for the good of the country, or rather did they only think 
about themselves when that time for decision came. That certainly 
is a relevent factor in my book when it comes to choosing an elected 
official. Perhaps as Clinton claims, he did make a moral decision 
about the war and decide that it was wrong, thus choosing the "tough" 
path of following his conscience and weasling out of active military 
duty. In my opinion, he more likely saw that they fight wars with 
real bullets and wanted no part of that. Maybe that could be considered 
a sign of above average intelligence, but it also says something about 
the man who might have to make some tough and unpopular decisions 
as our president. Actually I seriously doubt that any president that 
managed to get us out of our current predicament would be popular 
during his time in office since the cure would require some major 
sacrifices on the part of everyone. Only in hindsight would he be 
seen as the leader he is, since it took a long time to get us into 
this mess, and it will take a long time to get us out of it. 



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