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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young Update
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge


> In article <1992Aug19.163607.4838@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:

>The Cy is the award for the pitchers, the MVP should be the award for the 
>players...

I agree. But to be fair, they'd have to rename the MVP award MVH (Most
Valuable Hitter). Personally, I would like to see 3 honors given out each
year: Cy Young, MVH (or whatever - maybe the Ruth Trophy) and the MVP (the
last one being the least neccesary).

At least this would rid the voting of the controversies each year (some
writer's will not vote a pitcher for MVP and therefore he unjustly loses
votes).

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: How long is Guzman out for?
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:01:43 GMT


> pfferrei@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ferreira) writes:

>How long is Guzman of the Jays out for?
>I have heard reports ranging from another 2 weeks to another 4 weeks.

Apparently, he is not supposed to do anything for 10 days and then he will
go on a rehab program for 4-6 weeks. Not only is his shot at a Cy Young gone,
but this may jeapodize the Jays chances of beating [Oakland/Minnesota], if
they win the East at all. Pretty abysmal pitching staff without Guzman.

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

 Mr. Neutron: This is a nice area.
 Mr. Entrail: It's like a bloody graveyard. I hate it.
 Mr. Neutron: It's handy for the shops and convenient for the West End.
 Mr. Entrail: If you like going to the West End. I think it's a stinking dump.
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves Fans (No Flames)
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:20:07 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <10010660@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto) writes:
|> I think the bad news for the Reds and Padres is that the Braves
|> seem to have forgotten how to lose.  They almost remembered in their
|> first game (recent series) against the Reds, but they were overcome with
|> their severe case of forgetfulness :-).  Well, if the Reds can't make
|> it, I'd rather see no other team than the Braves.
|> 
|> lee "Red's fan" casuto

Hehe. This is NOT meant to be gloating. I am genuinely wondering what has
happened to the Reds? They have now dropped like 5 in a row, while the Braves
have managed to pull out a >.750 recors in their last 60+ games. They are
indeed the hottest team in baseball right now, but I was wondering where the Reds
were? Se... I like seeing the Braves do it near the end... Just like last season.
It came down to the last game. Besides, I have tickets for the Braves/Reds series
finale, and it better be an important game! :) ANyone out there who might be able
to enlighten me? Are the Reds in danger of being passed by the Padres or 
something? Thanks...

-- Venk Reddy --
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Phillies/Orioles Trade(Scarsone/Bell)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:02:16 GMT

In article <23627@oasys.dt.navy.mil> hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric) writes:
>In rec.sport.baseball, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee") writes:
>
>->Oh, bull and/or oney.  The trade of Eddie Murray cleared the way for Randy
>->Milligan, who played better than Murray in '89, almost as good in '90, and
>->better in '91.  Guess who's playing better in '92.  Now take a wild guess and
>->tell me who got paid more. How much more? Think it was worth it?  Didn't thin
>->so.  I'd rather have had Ken Hill, but the Murray trade was a pure case of
>->addition by subtraction. The play of Phil Bradley and Brian Holton was gravy.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Now this makes perfect sense, trading something for nothing.  I suppose
>you think Tettleton for Jeff Robinson was a great trade too.  After
>all, it gave Hoiles an opportunity.  The next time Roland Hemond, super
>genius, comes up with any great trade ideas, I hope he can get a 2nd
>baseman out of it.

But Hoiles is *not* clearly better than Tettleton.  Milligan is clearly better
than Murray.

(I am not arguing, per se, that I liked the Murray deal, but it is *not* the
same as the Tettleton deal.)

Besides, everybody knew at the time that Jeff M. Robinson was a stiff, and he
has never put up decent stats except for one year ('88).  Holton appeared to
be a steady setup man at the time.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025)
Subject: Re: Oriole News
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:59:14 GMT

Lu says:

>Besides, when you are batting cleanup, it is not that difficult to be in the
>top 10 in RBIs!  Pete O'Brien had a thoroughly horrible season last season, but
>he had 81 RBIs.  Murray's OBP is pathetic, and that means that when he walks
>up there, *68%* of the time he will make an out.

Ok, using this logic I guess if you hit .300, then 70 % of time you
walk up to the plate, you don't get a hit.
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:06:31 -0400 
From: John McDowell <jm6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Yankee Stadium Info Needed

My wife and I are vacationing in NJ next week. I understand that the
Angels are visiting the Yankees on Friday night 8/21 and I would like to
attend a game at  The House That Ruth Built. Does any one out there in
netland have any info regarding:

1. Tickets - Can I buy them at YS that night or do I need to get them
before hand? How much will they cost?

2. Parking - I will be driving my car. Is there parking near YS? Will my
car be safe? 

3. Directions - I will be approaching NY on I80 from NJ. From there what
are the directions to YS?

4. Accessability - I walk with a cane and have difficulty with large
steps. Does anyone have any impressions or recollections about getting
into the stadium and into the seats that they could share with me? Also
is there anywhere in the stadium that would be better to sit?

Any answers to these queries or any other info you could give me would
be very much appreciated.
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From: meadows@cslvax.weeg.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: infield fly II ?
Reply-To: meadows@cslvax.weeg.uiowa.edu
Organization: U. of Iowa - Weeg Computing Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.194520.13189@cs.mcgill.ca>, hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.155140.26482@julian.uwo.ca> brianm@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Brian McNeilly) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.154417.25531@julian.uwo.ca>, brianm@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Brian McNeilly) writes:
>>|> In article <92225.225402U43461@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U43461@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>[... explanation deleted ...]
>
>I'm a scorekeeper for Baseball Quebec. What we are told about the infield
>fly rule is as follows :
>
>	If the ball is a pop fly (within fair territory) and inside the
>	infield, and that the infielder(s) can catch the ball effortlessly,
>	then it is an INFIELD FLY (batter automatic out), runners run at
>	thier risk. This applies even if under the above condition, the
>	infielder does not catch the ball (not due to an error).
>
>Usually when the ump calls the infiled fly, the ball is dead. I have yet to
>see other scenerios.
>
>			Peter

    This is completely wrong. - The ball cannot possibly be dead. If it was,
how could the runners "advance at their own risk"? 

Other items: 

1.) The ball does NOT have to be inside the infield, it only needs to be 
    catchable by an infielder with "reasonable effort".

2.) The batter is out no matter what - even if the ball is not caught
    for ANY reason. 

    Sorry, but being an umpire myself, I had to reply...

-Howard

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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants sweep Dodgers, Beck saves them all.
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:33:11 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <588myw_.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>The Giants just finished tipping the Codgers for the series sweep.
>Final score today was also 2-1.  I can't remember the Giants taking 
>three from LA, in LA,  since '82.

All three one-run games, all three saved by Beck.

In my roto league, one player had Brantley and Righetti
from last year, and bought Jackson in the draft.  I picked
up Beck for $1 at the end and remarked "I bet I get more
SF saves than you do".  Getting pretty close! *smug smirk*

-- 
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From: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:32:25 GMT
Reply-To: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

In article <15AUG199204505442@mitme5.mit.edu> kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
> Greg Olson (one g) is the catcher for the Braves, Gregg Olson (two g's) 
                                                    ^  ^^       three g's
>is the closer for the Orioles.
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Hideous Red Sox Offensive Stats
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:29:38 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Before a recent game, the TV announcer put up a set of offensive stats
for the Red Sux which showed them dead last in every offensive category
except for home runs, in which they were 13th.  He didn't say who they
were ahead of, but my theory was the Angels, who've been pretty bad.

A couple of weeks ago, during yet another attempt to score a runner from
third with 1 out, the announcer mentioned a factoid that the Sox had failed
in this situation the last 11 times they had been in it.  Sure enough, the
2nd out is made on a weak fly ball, and the 3rd out on a 400 foot fly out.
Uggh, if they could only reverse those two outs *once* in a while!

-- 

Dan S.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:59:32 GMT


> mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:

>No question [Clemens is] *the* man to beat for the AL Cy.  Right now, he and
>Appier are the best candidates

I think Eckersley is the leading candidate right now. In any case, it's going
to be a fight to the wire for this year's award. Should be fun (Juan Guzman
still has a shot if he recovers in time).

 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 15 Aug 1992 04:13:52 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: OFFICIAL SCORING QUESTION

erics@sco.COM (eric smith) writes:

     mdc3@sns.bellcore.com (Mike Connelly) writes:

          OK, here's the situation: Clemens pitching, Red Sox lead
          1-0 going into the bottom of the 9th at Detroit. Phillips
          and Whitaker reach base, 1st and 2nd, nobody out. Reardon
          comes in. Fryman forces Phillips out at 3rd but is safe
          at 1st. Fielder hits HR, game over, 3-1.

          1. Who is the losing pitcher?

     Clemens. A replacement runner is still charged to the original
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     pitcher.

Clemens? Clemens cannot be the losing pitcher. Reardon is the losing
pitcher. Phillips, the tying run, was forced at third, and he was
the responsibility of Clemens. Whitaker, (also the responsibility
of Clemens), now at second, becomes the tying run. Fielder's HR gave
the Tigers a 2-1 win. Because Fielder was the winning run, and Reardon
allowed him to score, Reardon takes the loss. Clemens's runner tied
the score, but it was Reardon's who scored the winning run!

BTW: There is no replacement runner mentioned in the original post.

          2. If Fielder forces Whitaker at 3rd and then Tettleton
          hits the 3-run HR, then what?

     Clemens is still the losing pitcher.

Clemens can't be the losing pitcher in this scenario either. It is
100% impossible. After Fielder forced Whitaker at third, Clemens had
no base runners that were his responsibility, so how can he be charged
with the loss? Fielder, now the tying run, is Reardon's responsibility,
and Tettleton is also Reardon's responsibility. Reardon is charged
with both runs, because they were his runners.

          3. What if Phillips had been on 3rd and on the Fryman play,
          he is thrown out at home (i.e. not a force)?

     Since Fryman is safe on the fielder's choice, I believe his (future)
     run is still charged to Clemens.

Strike three. Clemens can't lose in this situation either. Because
Phillips is out, Whitaker has become the tying run. Whitaker is the
only runner Clemens is responsible for. Reardon gave up the winning
run, so he's charged with the loss.


The moral of the story is this: Whichever pitcher gives up the winning
run is the pitcher who loses the ball game. Plain and simple.
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: "Discarded" Giants (Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:28:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.161509.25039@novell.com> bradley@novell.com (Brad Soe) writes:

>I would not call this a swap. Lefferts was gone after 88 season (Maybe 87).
>The Giants were relying on Brantley to be the closer. It did not work out
>well so the Giants got Bedrock in the middle of '89. Rags did not 
>come along until 1991? 

This is not the case.  The Giants opened '89 with Mike LaCoss and Craig
Lefferts as co-closers.  LaCoss was plain horrible, so Lefferts took a major
part of the closing job, but the Giants didn't have faith in him, so they
traded for Bedrosian.  Brantley was a rookie that year, and didn't become
a closer until the year after ('90).

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Subject: Re: It ain't over yet
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:38:42 GMT

From article <4656@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek):
> In article <1695kiINNp8a@network.ucsd.edu> maher@yin.uucp (Kevin Maher) writes:
>>>It would seem to me that if a local buyer steps forth prior to the major
>>>league meeting in Sept. and a stadium deal is in place, the proposed 
>>>sale of the team to Tampa might not fly. 
>>>
>>>Opinions?
>>
>> [Mentions SJ mayor getting private funding.  If successful, will
>>  probably override Tampa offer.]
> 
> This is all very interesting but it seems that for all the talk one important
> aspect is being ignore.  Even if local buyers were come forth wouldn't that
> create a real legal stink for MLB?  
> 
> I mean I'm certainly no expert in contract law but didn't Lurie's public 
> announcement of an acceptance of an offer for the purchase of the team 
> constitute a valid contract?  I know the "best interest of baseball" clause
> carries alot of weight in internal baseball matters but now that the deal 
> has been struck with the city of Tampa to not carry through for no other reason
> than an offer from a local buyer n SF would seem to be an open and shut law
> suit for the city of Tampa.
> 
> Has anything like this happened in the past?

Technically you probably should be correct, but this basic situation
has already occurred once with the Texas Rangers.  The owner at the
time (Eddie Chiles, I think) had already signed a contract with a
group from Tampa.  He publicly said that the team would not be moved,
but he was either being duped (I doubt it) or lying (more likely).
Anyway, a local buyer was then quickly found, and the Commissioner
and the league got the Tampa group to go away quietly, even though
they were in the legal right.

I am willing to bet that if there is a viable and comparable local
offer, the league will vote down the sale, void the contract and
give the team to the local interest.  However, that local interest
must first be found, and the most likely one just bowed out this
morning.

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
From: IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: who's runs? (WAS Re: OFFICIAL SCORING QUESTION)
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:51:40 GMT
 <1992Aug15.174345.16651@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

As far as I know, there is no term for a runner who reaches base when
a preceding runner has been forced on that (batter-)runner's "hit."
Likewise, there is no term for a runner who has reached on a hit, an
error, a base on balls, a dropped third strike, interference, or by
being hit. The batter-runner simply reached base on the account of a
fielder's choice.

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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Base-ball Dream Team
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:02:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.145656.1625@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.214739.7616@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>In article <7bri02z41dka01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>>>
>>>In article 1656g0INN9nn@malibog.hal.COM, rc@hal.COM (Rolland Crunk) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug10.004928.29073@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>>>>2B	Chuck Knoblauch
>>>
>>>Robbie Alomar
>>
>>Alomar is not from the United States.
>>
>>>>>C	Ivan Rodriguez (if American)/Chris Hoiles
>
>Both Alomar and Rodriguez were born in Puerto Rico, which is, I believe, a 
>protectorate of the US. Technically, they can be called Americans, and if
>overseas (in Japan, eg) they can avail themselves of the US embassy.
>
>Mike
>-- 
 
Why, then, does Puerto Rico have its own Olympic team??  Puerto Rico, even 
though it may be a US protectorate, is its own sovereign state.  It differs
from the US in more ways than what may appear as obvious.  

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu



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From: chead@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: What's a cycle?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:52:39 GMT


A player completes a cycle (or hits for the cycle) if he hits a single,
double, triple and home run all in one game.
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From: atchison@shaggyman.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: 450' foul is just a strike : (WAS Re: CRY BABY: PIRATES CRUSHED 15-0)
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:39:08 GMT

In article <92229.222453IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>As everyone on here probably knows by now, the Braves tore the Pirates
>apart at Three Rivers earlier tonight (08/14), by a score of 15-0. On
>the news an interview with a Pirates player after the game was shown.

>I don't know what the Pirates could be crying about. So they got crushed
>by the West-leading Braves. Big deal. Those things happen. They have no-
>body to blame but themselves, especially since they didn't even score
>a single run. But do you know something? It has only been in recent years

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1-0, 15-0, or 150-0: it's one win.  And oh, by the way, the "West-leading
Braves" were shut out for 8.1 innings today by a guy making his 4th major
league appearance, and lost 4-2.  Made up for getting "crushed" 15-0 in one
afternoon.  Isn't baseball great?

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		The plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
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In rec.sport.baseball, zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala) writes:

> Daniel
> world's only Dodgers&Giants fan

I don't know if you're the world's only Dodgers&Giants fan, but you are
certainly the first I've ever heard of.

l\