HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:04:13 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <10582@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
writes:

>Y'know, the first thing Kay said to me at Norwich (after the accommodation
>dubris) was 'The safer sex materials are behind you'.... and he didn't say
>it to anyone else, either.... <sniff>.
>
>I think you lot are tarnishing my reputation....

Hmm. He said it to me. Is there some sort of pattern here? :-)

Owen.
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:34:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>And then there's the low flying clouds as you head up
>onto the Isle of Skye road over the tops (a local expression for the
>Pennines). My ears always pop as I drive up that road too. If I had to drive
>to work every day I'm not sure I could stand it - would having your ears pop
>twice a day be bad for you?
>
>Owen.
>
Sounds like more fun than I'm having now.  Having my ears pop?  In
Pennsylvania we dream of excitement like that.

Simon.
-- 

***************************************************************************
* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
***************************************************************************
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: alt.lycra?
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:04:29 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>The finger of suspicion ALWAYS points at UKNet. They seem to censor
>everything they think they can get away with censoring, particularly in the
>alt heirarchy. alt.polyamory isn't getting through either.

 Yup; not checked recently (diff'ing the two .newsrc's gives /way/ too much,
especially considering local/US-specific/suchlike groups), but amongst the
other groups that they really oughtn't to be chopping (given they're both
innocuous, and ought to be of interest to /someone/) is alt.backrubs. Why?
 Feh.

 -- Fenthe
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Fickle Moi?!?!?!?!?!??!
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cix.memo.608849
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Ciaran McHale writes:]

>Perhaps Clive was standing behind all of you at the time. He's _so_
>fickle, that Clive is. A bit like David Parsons in that regard.

Well, I *was* hanging around the desk waiting for the Edinburgh crowd
to arrive, and yes I was hanging around Bethan, when Kay mentioned the 
safer sex kits that started this whole thread off... but fickle? Me??

Shit! I thought I did a better job at hiding it than that, just goes to
show you can't hide much from those delightful Irish eyes of Ciaran's eh
net-bi folk?

+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| My photies of Norwich are back (huraaahhh)   |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| I accientally used slides      (boooooooo)   |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:48:20 GMT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) wrote...
>>osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:

(OK, I know saying this about *this* posting is a toooouch inappropriate,
and I advAPOLOGISEance, but...

Ciaran's in the middle! Ciaran's in the middle! :)

>As someone who used to be quite suicidal, I've always been a little 
>amazed (perhaps envious, perhaps not) at those who a) have never felt
>suicidal and don't understand it b) aren't suicidal persay but
>can more or less understand how it might happen.  To me those
>perspectives are as foriegn to me as heterosexual perspectives.

It's exactly what Kay pinpointed about Jeff Epler's post (and I'm NOT 
flirting with Jeff! I'm NOT! This is NOT a flirt! (much) ). It's an
incredible and guilty remoteness. No, we don't understand. At all.
Our job is not to resent because of our lack of understanding. And we 
try, methinks...

Of course, I wouldn't take this opportunity to do something tasteless and
indulgent like, oh, mention it's my birthday tomorrow, would I? I thought
not :)

(Nick, on the mend since last time he posted here and exploded... well,
at least now I *know* why I exploded...)

---				
Nick Nicholas: [s]h[r]ug-osexual.  Greek, short, greasy, romantic, and as
B1 f+ t- w s-? e- r-- dr+(+)	   bi as he wants to be. [ObMauveHeptagon]
nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au (IRC: nicxjo).  Likes Cavafy, Mahler, and cashews.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow)
Subject: women who dress up as men
Reply-To: jwad@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:11:39 GMT

I was watching Joan Rivers last night ( so I watch too much T.V. but I'm  
unemployed ) and she had on women who dress up as men.  It was interesting  
and funny that all the women were wearing fake mustaches and some even had  
beards (though, I have to admit that they didn't dress very good, ok  
that's my fashion opinion) but some of them were actually sort of cute  
wearing that fuzzy stuff right under their noses :)

hmmmm?
 
john -  throwing out huge *e-hugs* to everyone  - wadlow
jwad@milton.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Subject: Re: Mr Right
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 21:43:40 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) said...
>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>>>   But ask her about the heater! Ha ha ha!
>>But the heaters not on.  Oh you must mean the hampster sized one.
>>The mind boggles.  I hope my guitars and books are out of range.
>
>   As far as I know, guitars & books are all fine. However, I believe
>the chair sustained some property damage! It may never be the same
>again! Ha ha ha!
>
>   (Oooh, Coe'll kill me for that! 8->)

Hmmph!  I'm intentionally keeping quiet on this one, and will vehemently
deny anything anyone says about a chair, a heater, or... oh, never mind.
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:26:18 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:


>Obviously not femmy enough, dear.  Now if only I could get my lipstick
>on without a mirror I too could be a hot little bi fem.

But sweetie - you are!  Well maybe not terribly fem, but certainly hot
little and bi!

>Seems like what you're looking for here Iseult is a nice little *bottom*
>to whip with your crutch.

Do you happen to know of any, per chance.

Iseult.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:06:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <F3PBqB1w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
+of the time.  Our reasons for calling ourselves "conservative" and 
+"Liberal" weren't entirely connected to our philosophies.
+
+Or do people in the U.S. not use the word "liberal" any more?

No, traditional liberals don't call themselves liberal because liberal
via the media has been re-defined to be facism. Liberal is also used
as a euphemism in Republican circles to mean 'shithead', a word which
they would never say due to their family values orientation. Family
values is now being defined by the Democrats as a euphemis for 'Sex
Slavery', which they would never use because they don't have much of
a different view on the family as the Republicans, but they would
never admit to being essential no different on such a hot subject.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:54:05 EDT

jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
> No, traditional liberals don't call themselves liberal because liberal
> via the media has been re-defined to be facism. Liberal is also used
> as a euphemism in Republican circles to mean 'shithead', a word which
> they would never say due to their family values orientation. Family

Ah, the joys of euphemism!  Where would political campaigns be without 
it?  A rose by any other name is fertilizer.....

See why I'm disenchanted with politics? (Note: "Disenchanted" is an 
euphemism too.)

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:03:13 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <MJB.92Aug29215107@oak1.doc.ic.ac.uk> mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown) writes:
>- Matt/Morven, still around and very much behind on soc.bi. Frozen to
>  death by the airconditioning in here too, so excuse any typos. Will
>  have to start wearing wooly gloves...

So where were you this last weekend?  Not at Norwich, I noticed.  And
I've got so many snuggles stored up for you...

				Kay

[Dashing in to the office before he disappears off to the ACME conference
at Brunel.  I'm not a spod, I'm not a spod, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!
See you all next week! <smooch!>]

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:22:31 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) said...
>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>
>>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
>
>>>Not true.  Really it isn`t.  Its just that my idea of honour is a bit
>>>different from other peoples.  I like my women to love,
>>>honour and obey me.  Okay so sometimes they get a little bit *stroppy*
>>>but I can whip them back into shape pretty quickly.
>
>>But she's a femme. No, really. She wears lipstick & poses with a pool cue.
>>I thought you suggested you were on the receiving end of the pool cue when
>>you picked up women?
>
>Oh dear do I have to explain again.  A femme TOP.  But yeah receiving 
>ends of pool cues at certain times are too too fabulous.  Its just that
>I femme top people into giving it to me.  <I`m busying wondering if 
>this works as a concept, its just that I hate anybody to think of femme
>as unempowered (word?) >

I guess we may need to work on an alternative definition of "femme", to
allow for those who are "mirror-challenged", as Iseult _definitely_ would
fit most peoples' conceptions of femme.  Certainly not butch.
And "unempowered" is not a term that would often be applied to Iseult.

>>>I don't expect to get into too much trouble anymore, now that I have
>>>that new release form, setting out the terms of engagement very
>>>clearly.  I really think it will help a lot.
>
>>Perhaps I had better fill it out by email before I meet you. You can print
>>it out and have me sign it.
>
>Why hon?  If we are just meeting for a chat and a cuppa` I don't see that 
>there would be any need :-) <innocent smile>

Hmmm, there are _attempts_ at innocent smiles flying all over this 
newsgroup lately; i, for one, don't believe in the innocence of any
of them :^) <innocent grin>

-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:49:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <25493@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
+
+Well that's a sun tan in my book; at any rate the closest I've got to a
+sun tan since the Great Swelter of 1976 when I had the entire summer in
+which to lounge around bi the edge of a swimming pool.

In my brief visit to Walse in June the locals were 'complaining'
about the heat. I think it was about 80 a the most.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:17:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug23.204233.23361@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
+
+It makes going to the supermarket (food mall) an entertaining field trip.
+Digestive Biscuits were the closest thing we found to Graham Crackers and
+that's not very close.

Digestive Biscuits don't sound like something that would quell the
sexual appetite like Mr. Graham's coarse grain crackers.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:41:59 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1992Aug23.192705.17107@midway.uchicago.edu>,
orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) said:

>Elaine, commenting on sara quoting me quoting her quoting me quoting her
quoting
>Pearl (*):
>Yah hah!  I figured that eventually *somebody* would tell me the *real*
>Ystory of the hot tub!
>
>    Yes, but not today ;-)
>                  __
>    david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
>
>(* Yes, this is the condensed version of a cascade...)

tease!  just wait til you hit *this* coast ....

Elaine
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:45:18 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:

I (the Thing from the Swamp) said:

>>>Oh, and Elaine, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a pelican.  I'm
>>>sure you know who the real one is.

>I'm sorry... feeling dense today (water on the brain?)... but i don't 
>understand that reference... anyone care to enlighten me?

No reason why you should understand it ...

>Me me me me me me!  Are you going to send me some too? (if i ask real
>nicely :^) )  Sara developed her pictures from that day, and promised 
>to send certain ones, but i suspect she may not send the priceless one 
>of her!

If you mean the one of me and STella, I have *no* idea what gives you
the idea I wouldn't send it ... no idea at all.

-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:14:55 CDT
 <1992Aug26.102110.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> <17gumtINNbuo@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <17gumtINNbuo@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.102110.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> ->> Well too bad!! I got to flirt with him first!! Much earlier!! So there!!
> ->	Roy...can't we share people?  Do I need to clear the dungeon
> ->schedule?
> 
> Hey, I'm altruistic ... 
> 
> Sure, we can share!
> 
> And please, do clear it ... shall we try to coordinate schedules? :)
	Your wish, etc., my dear Roy....

> ->	And, as for you, Roy, you probably came on while I was on
> ->vacation from this little terminal of mine.  We college students *are*
> ->able to go away for awhile, if we want to!  Besides, I had to add some
> ->entries to my travel diary...some adventures to read on a rainy day
> ->when I don't have anyone (but I will take offers!). 
> 
> Damn ... too bad ... 
	And why is that?  (Just curious....)

> ->	Want a greeting?  Let me clear this corner of the
> ->net.room...ah, that's better.  Anybody using Peg's couch?  Well, then
> ->it's mine for the moment!
> ->	Come on over, Roy <seductive smile and all>... ;)
> 
> <jumps over to the couch, smiling broadly>
	Yeow! <hops out the way of Roy's body, who lands on the couch
perfectly.>  Quite a trick, that is!  

> ->> How about a hot tub, if one doesn't exist yet?
> ->	Good idea...what else?  Anybody?  Do I have to coerce you all?
> ->(Gosh, I guess I wouldn't mind that....)
> 
> Heh ... me neither :)
	I just bet you wouldn't ....

> Well, do we already have a bedroom?
	The whole net.room, as well as anywhere else is a bedroom...or
are you looking for something a little more private?  <Matt walks over
to his corner of the net.room, pulls back a curtain.>  There--one
bedroom.  <Puts one finger to corner of his mouth--*very* innocent
look>  But whatever shall we do in there...?  (I have a guess,
though....) ;)
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: sol@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ana)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Leaving Edinburgh ...
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:31:31 GMT
Organization: Chaos
In-reply-to: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk's message of 26 Aug 92 14:47:12 GMT


In article <42350@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, local distribution to soc.bi and
some CS group, db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:

   Today is my last day working here, although I'll be in next week to pack,
   check my mail, etc.  I'll be in the Pear Tree on Monday evening to say
   goodbye to everyone. 

Oh yes!!!! We're going to the Pear Tree again!!!!! 

   No doubt I'll see you around...

No doubt.

   Dave.

A (what are these CS people like?)
--
Isn't everyone?
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:18:39 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <9223514.5786@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
writes:

>If anyone here's missed me (hi, Fenthe! :) --- still here, lurking, SNAFU. I
>read what you all say, and because I'm so idenitity-confused, a lot of it
>hurts. It is *infuriating* to be both bi-identified and bi-phobic, to both
>have same sex attraction and be uncomfortable with it in others... and then
>accept it... and then be uncomfortable again.

I know what you mean. I'm a bit phobic about male-male attractions despite
having them myself a bit. Female-female attractions I'm much happier about
but I still have minor problems with it occasionally. This all gets a lot
more complex too when I factor in the fact that I'm not sure if I'm male or
female. I would go and hang out on soc.motss to confront this more but I
can't handle the volume and the flames are too much for me to handle
emotionally.

Owen.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Hot spots for bi's
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:08:41 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:

>It's a pity that hot tubs are not more common in the Midwest -- they
>seem to have possibilities.

I suspect that it's no coincidence that hot tubs aren't too common in
Chicago or Edinburgh; certainly not hot spots for bi's in any *literal*
sense.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11869 alt.sex:28346 alt.sex.bondage:16835 alt.config:5459 news.groups:17569
From: annie%ptown@ivgate.omahug.org (Annie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,alt.config,news.groups
Subject: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Date: 03 Sep 92  20:12:18 CST
Reply-To: annie%ptown@ivgate.omahug.org
Organization: Ivgate Project, Omaha
Followup-To: soc.bi

Please forgive me for crossposting this in all of these groups, but I've
been hearing rumblings in most of these along the same subject.

I've been seeing a lot of suggestions for a TV/TS group, and they
basically fall into two categories.

1. Create a normal soc group, such as soc.gender or something, using the
usual call for discussion and call for votes. This seems to be similar
to the creation of soc.bi last year. As anyone can see, soc.bi has
become very active and is quite a "respectable" group (if there is such
a thing).

2. Create an alt group, such as alt.tv-ts, which can be done by anyone.
The problem is that the powers that be at several sites have decided to
protect their users from those perverse and blasphemous alt groups.

Everybody seems to agree that we want a group. I suggest we get the ball
rolling toward starting one.

Annie :)

ivgate!ptown!annie@uunet.uu.net           (if this bounces, try)
annie%ptown.UUCP@ivgate.omahug.org
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:02:55 GMT

In article <17886@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
> [....]
>it's nice to feel that there is somewhere I can exist, be myself, and be
>happy all at the same time.
>
>Owen pp Gwendolin (long legged lesbian with freckles)

Second!  (the motion, that is)  I've had some _very_ nice, helpful
responses to my <a little more than slightly incoherent> message about
potential boyfriend's reaction...  Much to think about.

El

P.S.  I don't follow your name--is that "Owen app Gwendolin", as
in Owen, daughter of Gwendolin??
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: OUT!
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:57:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.091739.13219@cco.caltech.edu>
     fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion) writes:

>Hello, John.  Reading your post, I was nodding my head in recognition of
>some of the stuff I've gone through and am going through.  I was
>looking for an excuse to demuffin also, and...OHMYGOD, what have I done?

   You've demuffined!  Someone haul out the wagon for these two!  Hello,
Bill!  I've already sent John mail (since he lives near me), but let's
lick and hug you too!  *slurp!*

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore