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From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Haggling with car dealers
    <1992Aug28.202612.29164@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> 
    <1992Aug31.165229.20324@engage.pko.dec.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:39:42 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Aug28.202612.29164@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!tmn1.austin.ibm.com!tung writes:
>
>You will hear some noise about the dealer taking better care of you if
>you bought it through them. Ignore this. The warranty is honored by all 
>dealers. If I thought a dealer treated others worse because they did not
>buy from there, I'd go elsewhere.

The local Cadillac/Volvo dealer has a large sign in the service dept.
which says essentially "We reserve the right to give priority to cars
purchased from this dealer."  They also sell Saturns, but I doubt
Saturn would give the nod to this kind of attitude.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: More test carz
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:03:02 GMT

I've posted in the past that I receive weekly road test
cars in conjunction with a motorsports radio program I
put on here in Portland.  Just to catch up a bit, my test
vehicles the past three weeks have been:

- '92 Subaru Legacy L+ (with ABS) wagon
- '92 Chev Suburban (Cowboy Cadillac).  3/4 ton, 454 with
  a 4:10 rear-end, optioned to the hilt.
  - '92 Audi 100CS Quattro (just got this one yesterday)

  Coming up over the next month or so will be a collection
  of the current Volvo and BMW lineup.  Hopefully, the
  Chrysler LH series will be coming around soon.

  If you have any specific questions, send me some email.

  bob

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Laser RS Turbo...C/D's Best Bang for the Buck Winner...
Keywords: Or are they mistaken in all this???
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 02:19:11 GMT

In article <fa2P02UA1ezB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msl30@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Michael Lucash) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.130742.5474@metter.fmpmis.metter.com> virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:
>>Also, I canna' understand why C/D always throws a car out of class(price,
>>model,etc.)in with a group of cars that are pretty much the same in class.
>>First, it was the SHO Taurus against the Maxima SE/Camry SE

the price as tested for the Taurus SHO was $2000 higher than for
the Maxima SE and the Camry SE.  that difference may not be significant
considering how much these cars cost.  more importantly, the street price
of the Taurus SHO is a lot lower.  i've seen new Taurus SHOs advertised
at $18,000.

>>THIS time,they
>>put,what I consider,affordable sports/GT models adn then throw the curve
>>by smooshing in a Mazda RX-7 R1(then again, I may be screaming for naught,
>>I canna' remember the price for this car, but I assume it's WAY out of league
>>with the others...please correct me if I'm wrong, and spouting off for
>>naught...again).
>I also wondered why they included the RX-7 and 300ZX but not the Vette.  It
>seems to me that there were a lot of cars overlooked like the NX2000, Sentra SER, and a few others.  I thought the reasoning behind the Bang for the Buck
>competetion was to find the least expensive car with the most power and best
>handling.  It seems that the Motor Trend drivers just wanted a reason to
>beat on the RX-7 and needed the 300ZX for comparison.

the article states that they set some minimum performance/price standards.
the NX2000, Sentra SE-R, etc. did not make it because they weren't fast
enough (i think it had to be 0-60 in 7.6 seconds or better).  the Taurus SHO
didn't make it because its slalom time wasn't fast enough.  the saab 9000 turbo
was the only sedan that made it into the test, and just barely.
the cutoffs do seem a bit arbitrary to me, though, and the RX-7 had no
business being in that test without the 300ZX turbo and corvette LT1.
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: gregc@planet10.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Charland)
Subject: 4x4 Lift Questions
Followup-To: gregc@wpi.wpi.edu
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:35:56 GMT

     Hi, people!  I have an '84 Toyota 4Runner.  For some time now, I've
been looking into suspension lift kits for it.  I've heard that 2" kits are
availible, but 3" seems to be the norm, and I think that's what I want.
     According to the formula in the magazines' (Peterson's & Four Wheeler)
state-by-state listings of lift laws, my truck can be lifted 2.3"
     Now, I've seen Toyota trucks that are obviously lifted more than 3".
In fact, I've seen a few around Worcester (MA) that have got to be lifted
at least 5".
     One of my friends told me that an inspector checked his door height
because he had 31" tires on his 4Runner.

     To anyone who has an "illegally" lifted truck in MA:
How/where do you get it inspected?  Slip the inspector a twenty?  Get it
inspected by someone who knows you?  And do local/state law enforcement
authorities give you any trouble over it?

Please respond by E-mail, and if I get anything good I'll summarize and post.
Thanks,
greg
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From: rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.sport
Subject: MAZDA 12A TURBO CALL 4 HELP!!!!!!!!
Date: 24 Aug 92 13:37:27 GMT
Organization: CSIRO/Flinders Joint Research Centre in Information Technology


I am re-posting this as I am not sure whether my original posting made it to
USENET..

I'm posting this message on behalf of my friend Craig who does not have
Internet access.  Go ahead Craig ...

I have just bought a MAZDA ROTARY 12A TURBO engine that was imported from
Japan.  This engine originally came in the TURBO COSMO & TURBO RX-7 Series 3.
It came complete with all sensors, auto. trans., air flow metering
box and most importantly BOTH the E.F.I. and emissions-control box.

The E.F.I. box is an analogue type made by Nippon Denso and works IN
CONJUNCTION with a Mitsubishi Electric digital emission-control computer.

The emission-control computer is used to prevent knock under certain
conditions, this prevents anyone from just removing all emission control
devices, but presents me with a problem of how to wire them both up and
check that they are both working correctly.  Also is it possible to
remove any of these emission control devices on the engine?

Other than the above information, I haven't been able to get ANY details
on this engine.

                If someone has any info.on these cars and/or
                electronic boxes could they please email Richard below.

                                MANY MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE.
                                                                                        
                                            Craig



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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wrong Speedometers
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <BtJz5y.Mpz@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil 
Gustafson) writes:
> For the record, my last two cars (VW and SAAB) are within 1 MPH at 60.
> Those Europeans don't screw around.

The two 1st generation Sciroccos I owned were 10 MPH optimistic
with the standard 175/70SR13 tires and right on when I put
185/70HR13 tires on them.

Talk about German accuracy!

Europeans don't fool around -- when they lie to you they do it
with style! :-)


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: ANYBODY INTO 64-73 MUSCLECARS??
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:26:24 GMT


Yes there are some muscle maniacs around.  And I do say maniacs.

My project right now is building up a small block chevy engine, that I'm 
hopping to find a Nova body for.  When I'm done I my goal on this machine
is to be street-able but capable of 136 mph while getting under the 11 sec
times.  Streetable is going to be the tough part depending on how hard I 
have to streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech that defination.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Subject: Spending More to Buy "Better" Cars
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:58:46 GMT
Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

Amy Young Leigh  <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>If I was able to "spend several thousands of dollars more" do you
>think I would even CONSIDERED a Civic????
>Hey, if you're going to buy a "MX6 or a Probe or a Talon or a Miate
>or... you get the idea" why not spend just a few thousand more and
>get a BMW or a Lotus or a... well, you get the idea.

In article <9058.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
   (Erich Lim)  writes:
>I agree 100% with you on spending a couple of thousand more and getting
>a European or a BMW.  It's foolish to spend money on top of the line
>Celica's, Grand Am's, Eclipse's, Integra's, Legend's, and Lexus 400's.
>For a little more, it's worth the money for a European and the prestige
>of a BMW.  I have a BMW 524td (1985) and an Acura Integra GS (1991),  I
>turn more heads driving that old 4-door sedan Bimmer than I get with my
>clean and shiny 3dr hatchback Integra.

people buy cars for other reasons besides the selling price or
the number of heads that it will turn, though.

i'll agree that most German cars are quite nice, but i don't care much
what other people think about what i drive.  i do care more about
whether i enjoy driving what i have, its size, how it handles,
what it looks like, etc., etc.

given my requirements (and everybody has different requirements),
there just aren't any BMW's or Mercedes that fit the bill.

then again, life would be pretty boring if everybody drove the same car.
so IMHO it's a good thing there are lots of choices out there...
From: dlou@ece.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: nissan 240sx
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:54:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <17oug5INNl3g@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>Anyone know when the new 240sx will be out?  (probably 1993 right?)
>Also, is it going to be available in the 6-banger form?

Sixes don't bang... :-) :-) :-)

Fours bang, eights thump, rotaries hum, twelves clatter and sixes
rev.

I haven't hung around threes, fives and tens enough yet to tell what they do.


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dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
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From: acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney)
Subject: Saturn vs Honda vs Acura
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:42:45 GMT

Sorry if this is FAQ. A friend wants to replace her old Prelude. She wants
basically the same type of car (the new Prelude is too expensive) so she is
looking at an Accord Coupe or an Acura Integra. I've been seeing quite a lot
of good press about the Saturns. Don't they have a two door model that's
close to the layout of the Accord and the Integra? What's the consensus on
Saturn and this model in particular? Also is buying a Saturn a risk as
compared with the tried and true Honda products (I personally believe that
any new car purchase is a roll of the dice, but you know what I mean).

Thanks

Jim Feeney
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Engine for Probe GT - Why Not?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Sep2.153713@geordi.UCSD.Edu>, dlou@GEORDI.UCSD.EDU (Dennis 
Lou) writes:
> I can just see it now...
> 
> Engine by Yamaha
> Drivetrain by Mazda
> Chassis by Ford
> Motronics by Bosch
> Tires by Michelin (or whatever source they use)
> 
> Who's car would it be? :-)

It'll be American becuase the taillight lenses are made in Ohio.:-)

Actually they can start a new company:

Yamazfobomichord.;-)


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Law regarding speeding ticket ?
Keywords: Help, Reckless driving
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:40:17 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Aug27.225350.16551@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
>
>   You say the total cost was $5. but don't say who got paid.
>   Was it the traffic cop, the judge, or the state of Montana?


    The official penalty in Montana is for "wasting a natural
    resource".  It is NOT a speeding ticket.  And the official fine
    is $5.00, which does go to the state eventually.  The fine is
    set low on purpose, as an "in yo face" to the federal
    government's Fascist attempts to interfere in state laws.  

    Too bad more states don't have the stones to tell Uncle Sam to
    stuff stupid laws where the sun don't shine, we wouldn't have as
    many of them.  

    Originally the feds tried to keep Montana from getting any
    federal highway funds due to this rather independent attitude...

    The governor of Montana, knowing that Montana gets less than
    20% (at the time) of all highway taxes paid to the feds,
    promptly impounded ALL federal monies in the state.  The Feds
    caved in and the law stands.  

    Unfortunately as sheeplike immigrants move in, there are folks
    in Montana now willing to go along with whatever stupidity the
    feds come up with....

    BTW, Montana is not a speeder's paradise.  Boogie down the wrong
    highway in the wrong traffic conditions in a car in poor
    condition and you'll get tagged for reckless driving.  It's just
    that there are lots of nice Interstates and highways with
    extremely light traffic...and frankly natives don't much care
    for stupid laws in the first place.  There are also a lot of
    Montana highways where you'll kill yourself trying to drive as
    fast as 55 or 65.  And there is still a lot of "open range" out
    there, so you really should know the area before putting the
    pedal down.  

    We won't mention the fertilizer wagons that pull right out in
    front of you (yup, they do!) and what you'll be covered with if
    you are cruising inattentive with poor tires and brakes...
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:34:14 -0400 
From: University Entrepreneurs Association <ue33+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Tire SIZE

I need to get new tires for my auto. tran. '87 BMW 535is.
What are all of these tire sizes? What do they mean?
For my 911, I used to just go to the tire store and got what they
recommended (16" Dunlops, and I don't know what size).  
I know that certain manufactures and models are better than others, but
what does 225/50 16 mean?  How is this different from a 205/55 15?
Also, any recommendations for my two rear tires (the ones in question)? 
Are really big tires all that valuable (esp. on resale) for an auto.
tran. car?
I don't want to spend $400-$500 unless I really need to. I was hoping to
do the pair for $200-$300.

D.Eric Bland
ue33
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: morgan@jts.com (Morgan Jones )
Subject: Re: Strike at Saturn?
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.225236.22236@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:

   In article <1992Aug30.221408.6859@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
   |> In article <1992Aug30.201804.20041@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
   |> writes:
   |> The cost of an Accord, according to my Japanese coworker, is
   |> the same as an Accord in the USA; it's about ~$14,000.  The
   |> Pontiac Grand Am, according to my Japanese coworker (who
   |> happens to have lived in both countries), is ~$14,000 in the USA
   |> but is ~$24,000 in Japan.
   |> 
   |> Tell me, Mr. Clayton.  Do you think that Accord owners in the USA
   |> would pay ~$24,000 for an Accord?

   The cost of an Accord in Canada is about $19,000.  Does this answer your
   question? 

It answers it for me.  The cost of a Grand Am is also about $19,000 in
Canada and I see an awful lot of them on the roads.  I don't think
many people would pay $35,000 for one though.
-- 
Morgan Jones    -    morgan@jts.com
JTS Computer Systems Ltd., Toronto, Canada
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:53:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Aug31.095500.1@dac.mdcbbs.com>, by asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com:
      
>     So there I am just cruising down to drop off a video at the store.
>     Park my car(waaay far away so no stpid jerk will bang door into my
>     wife's wedding present-BMW 325i convertible).  As I walk out of the
>     store I see this moronic woman park next to my wife's car and kick 
>     her door open with her foot!! Taking off about a half inch square 
>     of paint from the wheel well.  She of course doesn't even give a damn
>     and refused to acknowledge the fact that she had done anything at all,
>     after I had just seen it.  Needles to say I was a little incensed but
>     felt that if I said anything I would lose it and physically DAHMER
>     her and her husband.  
>        WHAT the h*ll is this damned disease that causes stupid low life
>     scum to do this!!  I need help I mean WHY! WHY!

Probably just jealous.  Petty and stupid, eh?  Did you ytake down the
license number and did you file a police report?  What you discribe is
vandalism.

Chris Prael
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: LASAR DETECTOR..
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:40:29 GMT

In article <9472.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:
>  If you're city isn't on the list then it may not be using Stalker or
>Laser.   All the states with Stalker and not listing the city/county
>where it's used in means that the state
>doesn..zp.O....].'gN...'1.O}"..y.N.
>.^.Z.c

The state doesn't what?  What happened?  Your're break'n up!


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From: simon@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com (Mark Simon)
Subject: Re: I HATE MY DODGE
Organization: GTE Federal Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:09:50 GMT

>Shellie,

>Welcome to the reality of car ownership.  _Everybody_ produces lemons.
>Some manufacturers produce a higher percentage of lemons than others,
>but they all produce them.  There's been discussions of Honda lemons 
>here.  I've known owners of Toyota and Nissan lemons.  Porsche parts 
>are exorbitant, and I'm sure that they've turned out a few lemons too.  
>I know the owner of a Volvo lemon, and the owner of a VW lemon.  I know
>the owner of a Subaru lemon.  My uncle owned an '89 Jeep Cherokee lemon.

[stuff deleted]
>
>Sorry you got burned ...
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> rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com	    | key to an understanding of all Quality.
>
> My thoughts, probably not Harris'. |			   - Robert M. Pirsig

Bob,

I think you missed the point.  The original post's content implied
that Shellie was disappointed with the way Dodge was treating them,
not about the fact that there was a brake problem.  Heck, we can see on
the net that Saturn has bugs creeping into their cars occasionally.
But Saturn is willing to do work for free, and appears concerned about
the owners' welfares (I write "appears" since the company obviously
wants buyers to return and spend more money.  But the effort seems
sincere).  Dodge, Chrysler, and Ford (see my post made earlier today
about Ford) radiate a message of "You bought it, it's yours.  We don't
want to hear from you after you drive off the lot."

(Flame retardent suit suited up).

-- Mark

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From: cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:36:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Aug21.214004.12311@watson.ibm.com> katriel@watson.ibm.com (Ron Katriel) writes:
>One should be very careful about estimating the frequency of problems
>with Honda's by counting the number of pro-/anti- votes.  It is quite
>likely that many more people with problems will post to the net than
>people who are basically happy.  Much more reliable statistics can be
>obtained from a source such as Consumer Reports.  According to their
>numbers, Honda's are still among the most reliable cars sold in the US.

OK, look at Consumer Report's methods and explain how they are any
different than soliciting opinions from rec.autos.  Aside from
the obvious fact that both surveys only include their own subscribers,
which it is safe to assume are not exactly the same people.

-Brian
   cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech