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From: bxxmic01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Circumcision etc.
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:42:13 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

> How can religious reasons really be good enough either. What ever value
> (psychological or tribal) value circumcision at one time played for
> both Jews and Moslems is now long over. It is just a lock-step
> response to social pressure. 

God is not dead.  Jews obey God's Mosaic covenant.

Cheers
Mike
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: uxgisd@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: breast feeding
Reply-To: uxgisd@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:55:23 GMT

I am due March 26.  I plan on breast feeding, but after reading all the
information in previous posts, some doubts are forming.  First off, I 
only plan on breast feeding for about two months.  I will be on 
maternity leave for 2 1/2 to 3 months. Although I wont be working, I am
still going to continue taking classes (only one night a week).  I'll 
probobly be gone for about 5 to 6 hours that night, hopefully less.  It
depends on how I'm feeling, but I only plan on missing one or two classes
after the baby is born.

I know that it is very important to either breast feed or bottle feed, 
not both.  What I was hoping to do, is start breast feeding right from 
the beginning.  After about 3 or 4 days, I was planning on giving the 
baby his first bottle, only once a day. From then on, I was hoping to 
be able to give the baby a bottle at a certain time of day, each day. 
This way the baby would be used to being bottle fed.  I'm hoping that the
baby wont be confused and refuse the breast, or the bottle.  I dont want
to be breast feeding when I return to work, if I am, I only want it to be
one or two feedings.  

I've heard about mothers that cant go anywhere longer than a few hours
because the baby wont take a bottle.  I dont want that to happen to me. 
I guess I want the best of both worlds :-)  My husband will be watching
the kids (I have a four year old also) while I'm in class.  I know he 
can handle watching them, but it is frustrating when a baby screams of 
hunger and you cant feed him/her.  My first wasn't breast fed, so I didnt
have this concern/problem.  If the newborn wont take the bottle while I'm 
in class, I'm afraid that I wont be able to take the class. If thats what
happens, I can live with that.  But, if this happens how am I supposed to
stop breast feeding altogether by two months.?

I know I'm rambling on here.  Its just that I want to breast feed.  I 
dont want to do it for an extended amount of time.  I've always been 
told that breast feeding for a short amount of time is better than not
breast feeding at all.  Does anyone think this will work?  I've read 
the other posts and there seems to be quite a few frequent problems. 
Is this hopeless? Does anyone have any better ideas?  I know that each 
child is different, and I hope that I have a child that can be breast
fed and bottle fed!  

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Ursula
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: her8@ellis.uchicago.edu (sarah  herndon)
Subject: Re: Common Sense and Participation
Reply-To: her8@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:29:28 GMT


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: prmader@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER)
Subject: Re: external version
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  6 Jan 1993 09:50 EST  

In article <1993Jan5.203758.4452@pts1.pts.mot.com>, alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com writes...
>I had to have an external version at 37 weeks - It was my 2nd
>pregnancy (no probs with the 1st - 2 weeks early) and she was
> in the breech position practivcally the whole time!! 
> 
>This may sound AWFUL, but really it wasn't and I'd do it again in a
>heartbeat to avoid a C-section... 
> 

I agree wholeheartedly.  My first baby was transverse.  In fact, I argued
with the doctor about this because he kept saying the baby was in proper
position.  (A complete novice could feel from the outside that the baby
was transverse.)  Finally, about 2 weeks before she was due I told him,
"Listen, either this is a head & a butt or 2 heads & I'm having twins."
(It felt like I had a pair of canteloupes stuck under my breasts.)  At
this point he acknowledged that the baby might be out of position and
scheduled an ultrasound.  He also told me that doctor's don't attempt
to turn babies any more because they usually turn back (I did find out
that this is true in the Cleveland area).

I had the ultrasound and sure enough she was transverse.  The next day
my water broke & I had a C-Section.

The point of all this is that my daughter's head had gotten stuck
outside of my rib cage which was why she was transverse.  When she
was born she had indentations in her skull from my ribs.  She also
had hypotonia (low muscle tone) which was something I knew nothing
about and the doctor was not good at explaining.  After subjecting
my daughter to blood tests, hormone tests, and a CAT scan to determine
the cause (none of which revealed the cause)  I concluded that it
was from her being stuck in that position in-utero for at least 2 mos.
I've had doctor's argue that with me but since they can't tell me
what caused it I think my opinion is a valid as theirs.  (My daughter
is now fine, after two years of physical therapy when she was an infant.)

I think that they should have tried to turn her.  If she had turned back
at least I would have known that they had done what they could.  If
she hadn't turned back we would have been spared much more than a 
C-Section.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:31:37 GMT

dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.191816.8746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>> It is hard for us to let continue a practice with no good reason that involves
>> a non-consenting third party.  It would be a totally different matter if
>> the decision were your's about your body.

>And therin lies the crux of this whole discussion.  It is hard for you
>to "let continue a practice".  It is not your place to let or not let
>the practice continue.  Parents make choices for their kids at an age
>where the kids are incapable of making the decisions for themselves. 

Ahh, but times change.  Not that long ago, it was considered reasonable
to have public school teachers regularly severely beat their pupils.
It *is* our place to advocate for the right of children to their own
bodies, their private parts included, if that is what we believe in.

I also believe that the ritual circumcision of girls in some African
countries should be discontinued, and will argue for that position,
regardless of their culture.


Rick

rickc@agora.rain.com
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:04:38 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu


As I posted before, Angelica (age 3) had the Chicken Pox _and_ strep
throat simultaneously over Christmas. The nurse suggested Benedryl
(an OTC antihistimine) to take down the itching and it worked really well.

All of the kids on our block (and across the street) had Chicken Pox
at the same time as Angelica. Seems there was a birthday party the first
week of December that they all went to (Angelica too) and ... well, you know
the rest. It was pretty wierd, there are about 30 kids on the street and 
always playing in the yards and on the sidewalk, but the week of Christmas
was deathly quiet --no kids out at all. Christmas morning was especially
eerie. But two days after  Christmas -- 30 bodies with a week's worth of
pent-up energy came bounding out of their houses! I've never seen so much
running, jumping, screaming, roughhousing at once! The funny thing is, none
of the parents knew that the other kids had Chicken Pox as well. Like us,
they just thought the other households were too busy preparing for Christmas
to let the kids play outside. Hah!

Susan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (26 mo.)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:57:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.043138.12412@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>Our 26-month-old son Kurt uses "hot" as his word for
>both hot and cold temperature extremes.  And when
>he encountered his first snowfall, he didn't know
>the word for it.   Instead, he exclaimed "Hot . . . Dirt!"
>
>
>Though Kurt doesn't talk as much as other kids his age in
>his daycare, he sure learned how to say "Duck E. Cheeze!" 
>after one single visit to that establishment last week!
>-- 
>Diane Pedersen
>AT&T Bell Laboratories
>Naperville, Illinois
>att!ihlpe!elonich


Justine used "sot" for both hot and cold. The word "sot" comes from
It's hot.
   *****
 I expect this is the most common form of the word at that age.

I have taught to say "He Soots; He Scores" when watching hockey.
Last night she was screaming it as loudly as possible, then yelling 
"Yay, Yay" while clapping her hands.

Now I just have to practice "Fight Fight".

Mike N.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anderson@prowler.navo.navy.mil (Douglas T Anderson)
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19362]: prowler.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: anderson@pops.navo.navy.mil
Organization: POPS Facility Managment
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:50:50 GMT

In article <29344@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
|> > jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
|> >I have two little nieces (2 1/2 and 1 year old).  My sister-in-law never gives
|> >them water.  She never has from the time they were born.  My daughter has a
|> >friend that just had a baby and she never gives her baby water.  It seems
|> >that most people we talk to don't give water.  
|> 
|> Jordan (now almost 6 months) wouldn't take water from a bottle when we
|> tried it.  
|> 
|> However, about 3 weeks ago, he decided he wanted to drink from a cup.
|> Since his initial grab was on his first airplane trip (and fortunately 
|> I was drinking water), it also cut down on his screaming
|> on the trip.

Kimberley (5 months old) gets a water bottle every day.  At first we
had some problem getting her to take it so put approx .5 tsp of
sugar in 4 oz. of water.  Each time we slowly cut down the sugar and
now she takes plain tap water.  I have noticed though she is very
sensitive to the taste of the water, she likes home, my parents home
(in Georgia), but doesn't like my wife's parent's home (New York).
I knew she was a good southerner.....8^).

Beth, as for plane trips, you might take a bottle and on take off
and landing let Jordan drink.  In the 3 trips Kimberley has been on
we have done that and she hasnt cried once.  The water also helps
keep them from getting dehidrated at altitude.

-- 
Douglas T Anderson
Technical Services Manager/Chief Engineer
POPS Program

All opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.  They do not
reflect the opinions of Grumman Data Systems, the US Navy or any
one else, unless they want them to.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: helen@scorch.apana.org.au (Helen Lee)
Subject: godparents (was: First birthday party ideas?)
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:15:05 GMT

Could someone answer this question for me (a young single childless person
who has no recollection of who her godparents are nor of anything they may
have done in their role): What is the difference between what the
godparents do for the child's spiritual/moral guidance/development &
what the parents do (for the same)? (ie. Are the godparents just an
"added bonus"?)

Thanks,
--                          ~  .-_|\
Helen Lee                     /     \ ~
Newcastle, Australia          \.--._/<--
helen@scorch.apana.org.au    ~     v				...Ni!
From: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: PC educational programs and games: titles and sources needed
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games, misc.kids
Organization: Corporate Customer Services  NCR Dayton WHQ-4E

In article <29136@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>I am getting a low-end 486 machine this week, and a major use will
>be for educational programs and (educational!) games for my
>daughter.  However, I don't know where to start to find out

 <deleted lines>

>	- Reader Rabbit I

I can highly recommend the "The Learning Tree", "TLC" line of programs. We
have Reader Rabbit I and II and Treasure Mathstorm. My girls are 6 in first
grade and love these programs.  Do be sure with RR I that you get a "new"
one.  It was released initially about 3-4 years ago and that version didn't
have as nice of graphics and had no soundcard support.

RR I is pre reading and beginning reading skills alot of pattern matching and
letter recognition.

RR II is word recognition and word patterns.

Treasure Mathstorm is great! It covers simple addition, telling time, balancing
equations "7>0 combine two numbers to equall" and counting by groups of numbers
plus it's fun.

I've added misc.kids to the followup line feel free to remove it if you like.

Kurt Staiger
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Getting rid of pacifier
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:25:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Dec31.153409.22075@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <C03JHy.3D3@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen) writes:
>>but we had quite a time
>>getting our daughter to give the bottle and pacifier up.  One day, at age
>>2.5, I gathered up all the bottles and 'gickies's up and put them in deep
>>storage.  When she awoke, and wanted a bottle, I told her that a neighborhood
>>cat had come in and stolen them.  (The neighborhood is overrun with cats 
>>belonging to irresponsible pet owners who let them run loose all the time.)
>>She accepted that, and now dislikes cats.
>
>Great idea!  Don't know how to solve a problem?  Just LIE your way
>out of it!  Who cares?  It's only a kid, right?

I just took Laura in for her 15 mo checkup, and her mother wanted to talk
about weening from the bottle, so the pediatrician and I talked a bit about
it.  (Jan has been wanting to wean, being worried mostly about tooth decay,
and was worried about Laura getting emotionally attached to the bottle, but
Jan had to deal with a different Dr. for Emily's scoliosis at the same time,
and there wasn't any way to move the appointments.)

(1) The Dr. wasn't worried about tooth decay at this point unless (a) Laura
    runs around all day with a bottle in her hand (nope) or goes to bed with 
    the bottle (nope).
(2) He doesn't think Laura will get too attached to the bottle.  (It isn't going
    to replace Mommy or Daddy, etc.)

What his does claim works, from 1 year of age onwards, for getting rid of the
bottle is _The Ceremony_.

    Go through the house and gather up all the bottle &c.  Have the child
    help.  Explain that she is a big girl now and and doesn't need to use
    the bottles anymore.  Pack them up in a box and put them Grandma &
    Grandpa's trunk and wave bye-bye as they drive away.  Or, have her bring
    them into the doctor's office "to give to the other little babies that
    need them."

    Thereafter, if she asks for the bottle, you remind her how she is such
    a big girl she gave them all away and offer her a cup instead.

The *claim* is that it works.  We'll let you know went we get around to weaning
Laura.  (The pressure is off for now.)

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Booooo, Tyco!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:11:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.142842.23296@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes...
>In article <x5_3ss_@rpi.edu> Chris Nelson, nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu writes:
>>There was another note on this group about a Tyco race track which
>>didn't work as advertised.  I think I'm getting ready to NOT buy Tyco
>>toys.  Any other comments?
> 
>When i was a kid, i noticed how cheesy Tyco toys were, especially for the
>cost. The only Tyco toys in my house now for my kids have been gifts from
>people outside the house.
> 
Well, let's not generalize too much. We have a Tyco ride on toy, shaped
like a spaceshuttle, that has been in use for 5 years, and 2 kids, and
is still in great shape (but is used indoors, so that may help),
whereas the Playskool steady steps walker had it's handle snapped off
after a couple of years use by the same kids under the same indoor
conditions. I think each toy needs to be evaluated individually.
Just my 2 cents.
                             Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shobart@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:19:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
>radio) into the labour room with them to help them
>cope/relax, whatever?
>
I did.  I brought a variety of tapes since I wasn't sure what my mood would 
be (rock, classical, Grateful Dead).  It was pleasant, but when labor got 
hard I stopped hearing it.  I don't think it had much effect one way or the
other on my ability to cope with labor.

Sarah Groves Hobart
shobart@oracle.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Breastfeed, Go to Jail (Was: Protecting your family...)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:14:44 GMT

Someone asked to see this.  I don't know why it was posted everywhere
but misc.kids in the first place...

Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.dads-rights,alt.civil-liberties
From: judy@kokab.la.locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Peg Perego strollers
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:52:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.221335.3068@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>> In <1993Jan7.225454.7654@cs.sfu.ca> rozsa@cs.sfu.ca (Rozsa Eniko) writes:
>> 
>> > In some stores I came across with a Peg Perego stroller called
>> > Milano. 
>
>We bought a Perego 8 years ago for our firstborn  (not yet 30-something,
>and unwary that becoming parents would kick us out of the ranks of yuppiedom).
>In retrospect, we paid too much because teh thing is so heavy and clunky,
>I hate to use it.  Also, it's not all that maneuverable, partially because
>of the weight.  My husband, who's stronger than me, likes it just fine, but
>he's not the one pushing strollers most of the time.   I end up using my
>second-hand Century most of the time, which is lightwweight, maneuverable,
>and still folds backwards.
>

Well, we still use the Perego stroller we bough 4.5 years ago.  It is now
in what Ron calls its "convertible" mode, meaning he has stripped off all
the accessories (but we have them) and it's just a reclining seat on four
wheels.  We took the bar off because Erin prefers to climb in and out of
her stroller and climbing over the bar was difficult.

The stroller works great.  It has been used hard and, the only evidence is
a few stains on the seat (but we have a really cute quilted pad that goes
over that).  It's stood up to two children, frequently at the same time.
It has carried bundles of "stuff" attached to it.  It has travelled dirt
roads (not as well as the buggies of old with the really big wheels, but
well enough).  And while we laughed as we carried our baby at through his
first mall visit and called it "an expensive shopping cart" it has been
one of the most used and durable of all the baby junk we bought.  

So while we were laughed at about the cost of the stroller, it still works
and will probably work as a hand-me-down when Erin outgrows it entirely.
Our friends who bought cheaper strollers ended up buying two strollers per
child.  It makes the Perego look inexpensive.  

My advice is to buy a good stroller, especially if you are planning on
more than one child.  It is an investment that will more than pay for
itself in the long run.  After all, we no longer have the crib, the baby
swing, the Johnny Jump-up, the playpen, the cradle gym, the infant tub,
etc.  But we still use that stroller!

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Xref: sparky misc.kids:31652 alt.pagan:15013
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan6.014624.3638@oracle.us.oracle.com>, shobart@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...

>>>First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
>>>christening?

[lots of explanations deleted...]

I posted this to the net and I'm afraid you misinterpreted it.  I 
did not in any way mean to question your beliefs.  I was simply 
confused.  In your original post you said you wanted a 
"christianing-type" ritual, then you said the baby already had a 
"godfather".

I was wondering how he could already have a "godfather" unless you 
had a previous "christianing-type" ritual?  Or did you mean that 
you have selected a "godfather" and would like to make it 
"official" via the "christianing-type" ritual.

My husband and I are in the same situation you're in BTW.

- Peggy -
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