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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: YKYAPW and a cute story
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:20:26 GMT

You Know Your a Parent When....

	"Me and my shadow" starts running through your head 6 times a day.

This morning, my shadow (otherwise known as Erin and occasionally known as
Mimi [me me]) was following me as I was getting ready to take a shower.  I
reached into the linen cabinet to get my towel and Ron called to ask me a 
question.  I put my towel under my arm and went into the living room to answer.
When I turned around, here came Erin with a washcloth she had gotten from
the linen cabinet and tucked under her arm.

Of course I HAD to let her shower with me.  And, little did I know, but we
have a shower routine.  I was letting her play with the Pooh bottle after
shampooing her hair while I washed myself.  She started fussing and pointing
to Eeyore, so I had to stop and rinse her hair with Eeyore (creme rinse).  
Then she pointed to Piglet and she washed herself with Piglet (soap).  It
was so cute.  Her first rigid routine. 

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: bad1@druhi.ATT.COM (Bruce A. Dorrough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Identical Twins (Mirror, One is left, the other right)
Keywords: Identical, Twins, Handedness, Left
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:20:53 GMT
Reply-To: bad1@druhi.ATT.COM (Bruce A. Dorrough)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver

In article <husain.713727312@cyan> husain@rtsg.mot.com (Saad Husain) writes:
>I have identical twins (age 5) who do not share the same handedness.
>I asked a specialist in Twins and he said it was a case of mirror twins.
>I have never heard the term before and would like enquire if any one
>else who frequents this group who knows about this subject.
>
>Thanks,
>
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When had found out we were going to have twins, my wife and I attended a
twins class.  The instructor of the course had mirror image twins herself.
There are several different types of twins:

Identical twins              - every part of them is the same
Mirror Image Identical twins - every part of them is exactly the opposite of
                               the other twin. The way their hair lays at the 
                               crown of their head. If one has a birth mark 
                               on the left arm the other has it on the right
                               arm, etc. 
Fraternal Twins              - and all their combinations.
                             - boy-boy,  girl-girl, girl-boy,  

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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Keywords: not always
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:05:00 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

I'm not sure who wrote:
>>>I don't know, I just sorta thought if anyone is going to breast feed
>>>their babies it would be an ob/gyn or the ob/gyn's wife.

My OB told me that his wife didn't manage to breastfeed any of their
three kids past two weeks.  It was too tough, and she didn't continue.
(I stuck it out, but I can easily understand how someone could stop at
that point)

I was at the mall today, and had to stop and nurse Jordan.  While I
was sitting there, I chatted with two other mothers of babies, who
said the best thing about breastfeeding is that you always have the
food with you, and you don't need a bottle warmer.  

A young (college age?) couple sat down across from me, and the guy
glanced and up and realized what I was doing, and he was clearly very
embarrassed.  People's reactions sure do vary!

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: not all Sesame Street tapes are nice
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 06:38:49 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

> besides, if you watch sesame street, oscar comes off as
> being totally impossible sometimes and very resourceful and
> helpful other times.  remember when maria had her baby?
> oscar came through and drove them to the hospital, and then
> hung around and worried whetehr everything was allright or
> not.  i think oscar is a very important character, myself.
> he isn't nice sometimes, he really likes things that others
> consider really yucky, but he is helpful and decent when it
> comes right down to it.  that is a very important lesson.
>
>                                     -ailsa

the reasoning behind Oscar's character is that we do not always FEEL like
being a nice person. Sometimes we feel grouchy, and Oscar is there to show
that it's okay to show your feelings, even the unpleasant ones.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: tnzj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:14:41 EDT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na,misc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <16163@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>,
darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes: 
> In article <1992Aug17.161034.16444@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes:
>> 
>> Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
>> We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
>> with folks who know more about it than we do.
> 
> Can't help with the newsgroup, but I can offer lots of moral support.
> I'd encourage you to read, if you ever have second thoughts about it,
> a book called "Dumbing us Down", by John Taylor Gatto, former Teacher
> of the Year in New York State. It's available through the New Society
> Press (I'll bring the address tomorrow if you're interested in
> following through). This book is a searing indictment of the public
> school system and really exposes, IMHO, the ethical and spiritual
> bankruptcy of the whole system (I am not a Christian, so that's not
> where I'm coming from with these comments). In a nutshell, he says
> that schools have a "hidden curriculum" which is designed to produce
> willing cogs in our industrial society, i.e., ravenous consumers,
> people who follow orders, and who can't think for themselves.
> 
> Richard

I also can offer lots of moral support.  Just an excerpt of some of Gatto's
ideas that appeared in an Utne reader on education got me started in home
schooling.  Public school, besides it's hidden cirriculum, also allows
parents to conveniently work as cogs in our industrial society. I undertook
honeschooling not just to educate my children to be knwoledgeable about the
world but to try to have them be better, happier people.  I was tired of
merely managing their lifes by deciding where they would do this and who
would do that with them and decided to get in there and do it with them.

Mark
Xref: sparky misc.legal:16070 soc.culture.african.american:8824
From: daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: double jeopardy (facist LA police)
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:36:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.36747
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Aug8.203438.27318@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:

# The ACLU has been opposed to double jeopardy at the state and
# federal for many years. For this case, however, they've changed
# their principles.

Isn't this case typical of the cases where this technique has been
used?  What sorts of cases has the ACLU challenged?

David
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Amendment
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:15:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:

[...]
>I'd like to know what changes Pennsylvania's ERA had in that state,
>how involved the state court system was, and what kind of political
>pressures judges have to endure.  === Al Sparks
[...]

Illinois has equal rights in the state constitution since the '70's.
Contrary to some predictions, we have not had to share bathrooms.

The main effect has been that laws no longer make assumptions about
the sexes. For example, the alimony law no longer presumes that the
husband earns more than the wife.

- Carl


--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: No jury trials in Tyler, Texas ?
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:22:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19836
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


This is what I remember of something I saw on TV on Friday, Aug 21:

A white policeman in a group with a search warrant shot to death
an invalid black woman through the door of her house. No mention
was made of any guns or drugs being found.
A coroner's (?) jury ruled 4 whites to 2 blacks that the policeman
didn't do anything wrong. A grand jury refused to indict for reckless
homicide or anything else.

Recently a black juror said that because the defendant was black
the juror had refused to convict the defendant although the juror
believed him guilty of assaulting a white woman.  The juror said
more than that, but I don't remember the rest.

A judge decided to postpone jury trials in Tyler indefinitely, because
he believed it wouldn't be possible to get a fair jury.

:I am not making this up. So far as I know the hold on jury trials is
in effect. This raises obvious questions about the right to a speedy
trial, the right to trial by jury, and bail.

Anyone got any more info? Anyone got any idea how long the moratorium
is likely to last? Any corrections?

-- 
Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
"This dream is brought to you by Sharassin of Shan. Dreams and
communication wizardry of all sorts at reasonable rates."  --  Sharassin of Shan
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: allowable graduation requirements
Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:05:54 GMT

greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:

>In article <kaufman.713462133@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU writes:

->>The "involuntary servitude" stuff is *so* fundamental, however, that *nobody*
->>can hold you to involuntary servitude.

>>Right.  Now explain the military draft system to me.

>If you had been following the thread, you would have seen that I already 
>pointed out the draft as a notable exception.

>Regardless, the right to avoid involuntary is servitude *is* fundamental;
>therefore, I am not satisfied by vague arguments that "other rights of students
>are infringed" or that "its merely an educational requirement."

OK. Now explain to me the way Jury duty works.  And you still haven't
reconciled your argument with the requirement for minors to go to school
until age 16 (or be arrested for truancy).  If it is legal to force minors
to go to school, we just call this service "education" and there is no
problem with involuntary servitude.  I suspect the legal definition of
"involuntary servitude" carries with it the connotation of a much stronger
master-apprentice type of indenture, which has the apprentice bound to serve
the master for (his) personal gain.  It was not uncommon in the 17th and 18th
centuries for children to be bound to a trade by their parents.
-- 
Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU)

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.162053.27915@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>The right-wing Hindu who shot Ghandi had less freedom
>than the Mahatma for he was forced by his anger to kill.

Sorry, but he had (at that point) more freedom than Ghandi becuase the
latter was *dead* (at that point).  Seriously, Ed, you sound like the
traditional Catholic "slavery to God's will is freedom".  There's
freedom to do what one chooses, and "freedom" from choosing the "wrong"
thing -- it'd be better if you kept the two distinct in your mind.

marshall
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: How To Really Annoy People
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:06:30 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Aug18.022043.27422@panix.com>, lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
> In <64160@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
> 
>>She thinks that the courts have not treated her fairly, and got pissed
>>off at them.  She went and got forms for filing a lien and put liens on
>>the houses of the Judges that have dealt with her, the lawyers, and the
>>sheriff who threw her out.  It only costs $7 to put a lien on someone,
>>and requires no proof that there is a good reason for said lien!
> 
> Yes, but if it turns out she had not good faith basis for liening the
> property in questions, she will probably be liable to these judges for
> "Abuse of Process" a tort in most states.

A tort is usually a civil not a criminal charge.  If those judges
decide to go after her, will it be worth it?  She's already lost her
house or houses.  What else are they going to get from her?  Being
down and out also has its advantages.  You have nothing to lose.
                    === Al Sparks
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Abstract discussion of "civil rights" and "property rights"
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:04:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.lairdb.714243886

In <1992Aug18.225504.9266@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:

>In article <lairdb.714166328@crash> lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P.
>Broadfield) writes: 
>#My own position, which
>#I think is closer to Clayton's than Greg's, is that an _owner_, whether
>#it's Joe, of Joe's FlopHouse, or HiltonCorp should be able to do whatever
>#he wants with his property, whether it's refuse to do business with 
>#homosexuals, or refuse to business with readheads.

>My basic philosophy is that people have the rights to choose who they
>do business with, corporations don't. Forming a corporation gets some
>benifits, and incurs some loss of freedom. I consider the right to
>discriminate a freedom lost by corporations. If you don't want to lose
>that right, don't incorporate.

Ummmm, what's the difference?  It's still an entity, owned by private
people.  As I said in another part of my message, if it was controlled
by the government, held in trust for the citizens (which is how I think
of things like the Park Service, BLM, Department of Streets, etc.) then
they clearly should not be able to "discriminate".  So-called "public
utilitites" are a sort of bizarre grey area, but privately owned is
privately owned.


-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard)
Subject: Re: Recording Phone Conversations - is it lawful??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:20:53 GMT



Gee, I recall my telephone company saying something in the directory about 
taping phone calls without the other person's permission.  I bet the F.B.I. 
would be glad to answer that question.
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Keywords: egnilges
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:05:20 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug20.225520.1477@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.184336.12971@Princeton.EDU>
>
>You are welcome to FORM a community with any rules you like.  You may
>not DEFINE your community to include me, unless I agree.  Likewise, if
>someone else has formed such a community, you may join it (with the
>agreement of the community).

The community of St Paul MN was not imposed by fiat on its citizens, and
it is just laziness to say, when a reasonably democratic community
passes a law that you do not like, that your apathy and refusal to
participate in the political process constituted disagreement (it could
have well constituted assent.)  

>
>For instance, you may form a housing coop with rules against hate
>speech.  You may require all potential residents to agree to those
>rules.  You cannot impose such rules on all people who live in some
>area, even if a majority of the people in that area want the rules.

Unfortunately, the identical arguments the Supreme Court used against
the St Paul law could have been applied to nongovernmental organizations
receiving Federal funds...including housing coops.  The Supreme Court
decision has ALREADY damaged the independence of public universities and
their ability to promulgate hate speech codes, for it has been
interpreted as making hate speech codes in public universities
unconstitutional.  So there is no facile distinction between private and
public, and the Supreme Court has ridden roughshod over what used to be
the conservative's favorite icon: that of local organization and local
government.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:23:29 GMT


en>I take it that you approve of this situation in spite of the ongoing
en>legal challenges to these immoral exclusions (lawsuits against Scouting
en>for excluding gays and athiests, lawsuits against the Klan, Sally Frank
en>'80's lawsuit against Princeton's all-male eating clubs, etc.)

I don't think any of the Klan lawsuits have to do with their
membership requirements.

en> Point is that NEITHER government nor private
en> groups gaining government benefits can legally exclude, and that it is
en> furthermore immoral for the MOST private groups, those not receiving
en> government money, to exclude!

"MOST", perhaps, but all. I think it is moral, for example, for
religious groups to exclude people on the basis of religion.

Moreoever, as we established in another note, just because something
is immoral doesn't mean that it should be illegal.

In addition, I am concerned that you are giving the government special
status above. I fear that you are becoming a Libertarian/cryptoracist.

- Carl




  
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Right To Not Support
Keywords: Third party beneficiary
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:36:18 GMT

In article <19065@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.230506.7668@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org 
>(Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>>Ah, there you have Catch-22! Paternity statutes typically empower judges to
>>invalidate child-support contracts JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CHILD SUPPORT
>>CONTRACTS, . . .  [Kevin Darcy]
>
>Sure.  The obligation to support one's children is based on status, not
>on contract.  

I.e. has no solid foundation, since "status" distinctions are just relics
of a bygone legal era.

>But even under contract law principles, there's a good
>basis for invalidating a contract like this:
>
>>. . . regardless of whether they meet all other tests for contract
>>validity -- mutual obligation, meeting of the minds, capacity, etc.
>>This can be done if the judge considers it "in the best interests of the
>>child(ren)" to do so, which invariably they do.
>. . . 
>>The more I learn about this area of the law, the more I come to loathe and
>>despise it.   [Kevin Darcy]
>
>How about if Mr. Darcy learns a little more about the law, say, by opening
>any law-school case book on "Contract Law" to the section on "Third Party
>Beneficiaries?"  If the joint venture consisting of a man and a girl
>producing a child is a contract -- which I'm not saying it is --  ...

I'm not saying it is either. What I'm referring to is an agreement specifying
the rights and obligations of the parties in the event that a child should
be produced by their union. It would be more like an mutual "insurance policy"
than anything else -- certainly neither party would be OBLIGATED to try and
produce a child.
 
>...then
>that child can be viewed as a third party beneficiary, and it is a 
>principle of contract law that where there are third party beneficiaries
>to a contract, the contracting parties are not always free to disregard
>the interests of those beneficiaries.

Well, I know that third party beneficiaries can have standing to sue in
the case of a contract breach, but I am unfamiliar with any limitations
on the actual TERMS of contract based purely on the interests of a third
party beneficiary. Could you cite some specific limitations which might be 
relevant to a child-support agreement or contract? For purposes of 
discussion, we can assume of course that the agreement at least ensures
that the child's basic needs will be met (as per statutory requirements).

								- Kevin