HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:20:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov17.162049.8726
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <46014@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>It took years of cut and grow, cut and grow before I got my beard trained
>to grow on demand.

I suppose this is tongue-in-cheek.  Your hair follicles don't know they've
been cut.  All you're doing by shaving is creating a "level playing field",
and the years of effort are simply time to play your genes out.

>The sad part is that I am such a little furnace
>that I can't stand to wear it year round (not even in Butte, Montana
>where "hot" is 85 degrees).

I can't figure this one out.  Have you considered the Sinead look?
Much cooler (most heat is lost thru the top of the head--trust me on
this.)  I'm an original furnace but I don't find that a beard
makes me feel hotter (well, THAT way.)  Is this a problem with sweat?


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: colorado springs
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:11:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.063850.26585@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack
Hamilton) writes:

>>The local press refers to Mr. Martinez as "The Naked Guy."  There are no
>>laws against nudity in the city of Berkeley, so he's fine in town.

>You make it sound like it's a Berkeley thing.  You might have said that
>there is no state law against nudity under those circumstances. 

I suggest you try it in some place like Yuba City.  You may discover
they interpret the law a little differently.




-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mjh4@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark Jonathan Handel)
Subject: Amnesty International
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:20:51 GMT

Does anyone know if Amnesty International recognizes sexual
preference as one of their "protected" rights - I remember
hearing something that the global organization, based in 
London does not, while the US organization does.

There are some posters around here that claim Amnesty does
recognize people who are arrested on the basis of their
sexual preference as prisoners of consciounce (sp?), and
I wanted to check up on that.

Thanks!
MJH92

"Subverting Today for a Better Tomorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Colorado Memory Systems & Non-Discrimination
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1992Nov18.190428.8578@tc.cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:14:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov18.190428.8578@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

   I *strongly* recommend the television show "I'll Fly Away,"
   especially to youngsters and Yankees.  It's set around 1960
   in North Carolina and deals with the civil rights movement
   in considerable detail and subtlety.  A number of the
   issues raised around how the movement was conducted translate
   very well to the contemporary GLB rights movement.

I wholeheartedly agree.  (We tape everything we watch, so I'm months
behind the storyline, but it's possibly the best show on TV, and is
really exploring what it means for a small town to go through
wrenching changes as racial/equality issues are dealt with...)

Along these lines, I've become interested in reading The Autobiography
of Malcom X.  I don't know how much similarity there is between his
struggle and that for GLB rights (I certainly don't expect to ever be
subjected to the level of hate that he was; but maybe I'm overly
optimistic...)  But the concept of self-sufficiency as part of the
movement for equality is appealing.

So many people in the GLB community echo the statements of some blacks
(and women) of the past:  "Why shake things up when I can just go on
living my life and everything will be fine?"  But when you're hiding
half your life from everyone around you, you are also hiding it from
yourself, no matter how much you think you can just "separate" the
work life from the social life.


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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:16:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov20.211635.3974
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov20.024503.16801@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
[About a link between cancer and electric razor use]
>	I'll bet most of those people surveyed also used toilet paper...
>which of course then makes it carcinogenic...  (if that sounds ridiculous
>you should read some of the REAL reports!)

Aren't you misunderstanding a bit? Allowing for the Wall Street
Journal's simplification of scientific articles, I suspect that the
researches claim is really:

There is a correlation between electric shaver use and cancer

or, to put it another way,

"The number of people in America who use electric shavers is X.  (the
control group). The number of people in America with cancer who use
electric shavers is Y. Y is much greater than X, implying that the two
are correlated."

Now, correlation is not causation, but it is evidence for something
funny going on.

All that being said, it does seem rather unlikely, doesn't it? I
especially like the pineal gland angle - if I use an electric shaver
enough, will my pineal gland grow really big, stick out of my head,
wiggle around, and enable me to see creatures that are out of my
general perceptual field? This would be the Lovecraft / From Beyond
hypothesis ;-)

Nelson, who can't stand electric razors.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                         I can live forever in formaldehyde
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Hurricane GAY
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:00:04 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, homulka@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Homulka) wrote:
>Just thought it was interesting when I heard on the news this morning that
>hurricane *Gay* is hitting near Guam.  Interesting name for a hurricane.

This has allowed me to have fun with my local fundamentalist Jew-For-Jesus.
Just mentioning Gay causes him to spring to his feet to monitor all
the horrendous things I choose to discuss with co-workers.

Luckily, Gay was just a whimper in Guam (little damage, few injuries,
and no deaths).

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:10:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Nov.12.11.08.00.1992.3178@math.rutgers.edu>  
  <1992Nov12.205747.28234@ads.com> <1992Nov13.151002.9454@spdcc.com>
  <69511@cup.portal.com> <74296@apple.apple.COM> <thaaang.721886097@cwis>

John Dorrance writes:
>Hear hear. I've been wondering to myself if George's hystronics
>could be interpreted as sexist and racist; discussion?

Try looking at it from the perspective of a Bear who's sick and
tired of being "invisible" in the mainstream gay media -- much
as many gay people are tired of being nonexistent in the
mainstream media of this country.
 
() B is for Basil, assaulted by bears.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:36:56 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.215925.24624@infonode.ingr.com>
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>-jeff [just back from Portland; just a glimpse of a fine
>jewel (thanks, Mark).

Mark's jewels seem to be the talk of the Northwest!

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:40:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.004045.5031
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <thaaang.721949805@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>John, thinking Nelson would be smashing as a redhead

You know, I was looking for an excuse to talk about hair, and here it is.

What do I think about me being a redhead? Not on your *life*. No way,
no how. Don't even think about it. I have resigned myself to let a
couple of inches be trimmed off the bottom, get rid of three years of
split ends. I just have to find someone to do it for me.

I haven't shaved in awhile - one of my periods of "you know, I really
don't like shaving." My beard isn't really full (not much up on the
cheeks), so I will want to shave it some time. But it has a sprinkling
of red hairs in it, an effect I rather like..
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                   Finger nelson@reed.edu for my public key
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.politics.misc
From: quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:02:22 GMT

In article <10625@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>In <1992Nov17.200818.882@advtech.uswest.com> ltp@uswest.com (Halfman-Halfmachine) writes:
>
>|>And isn`t THAT a pisser! It seems to me that if the Christian fund-
>|>amentalists, Mormans, or whoever, want to play the political game, and
>|>have the ability to propose changes to the state constitution, then
>|>they should also pay taxes like everyone else. Isn't the Catholic
......etc.
>
>The same could be said of organizations like Greenpeace, and People for
>the American Way.
>
>Do you oppose tax free status for all groups, or only those whose message
>you don't like?

Um, well.  There is a big difference in tax status between Greenpeace
and Pat Robertson's church.  The latter is not just non-profit, it is
TAX-EXEMPT, a status reserved for *non-political* organizations (but
somehow churches tend to slip through the definition).  Any
organization can be formed which is non-profit -- and which, hence,
will not pay taxes -- even if it specifically lobbies for a particular
bill or candidate.  But only a few organizations like Pat Robertson's
have tax-exempt status such that the government reimburses citizens
with tax-credit for donating to them.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.033929.29265@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov17.221923.20307@netcom.com>
>stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov16.224637.7072@macc.wisc.edu>
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>>In article <17933@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
>>>Rowley) writes:
>
>>>>I've watched you fill this newsgroup with the official 
>>>>Anderson line for a few years now, and have also watched you
>>>>heap your special brand of creamed scorn on those who dare to think
>>>>aloud outside of your accpted gnorm.
>
>>>You mean I'm about to become an official Yahweh cult now?
>
>>Are you going to be holding auditions for official Temple
>>male prostitutes?
>
>Since you're already (I assume) in *a* cast, I can simply
>switch you to *the* cast.  I mean, you *were* volunteering,
>weren't you?  We can hold tryouts at camp this summer, maybe.
>
>What did happen that you broke your ankle, btw?  (But don't
>tell Owen, he'll be furiously jealous if he finds out I'm
>attending upon your every word.)

I fell down the stairs at home.  The fot bent in a weird way under me, my head
hit the front door. I'm on the floor moaning and screaming, Glen comes swooping
down fromt he second floor and trips over me. End of accident. Actually, I 
wish it had been more dramatic.  WIth music building up, the fall, and cut to
commercial.



Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:08:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <CORWIN+.92Nov18132818@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU> 
corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.151255.17143@tc.cornell.edu> 
> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
> >Actually, the primary role of the CMU drama school *is* to
> >prepare professional actors.  That's undoubtedly why they
> >booted those students.
>
> But, I still can't help considering two CMU alumni -- Renee Auberjenoi
> or Sada Thompson.  Both would have been booted by the standards used
> against the class of 1981 -- he is rather effeminate (subjective
> opinion), and she is overweight.

Heavens.  When was it that Rene Auberjonois was there?  Or Sada
Thompson?  The late 1950s?  Besides, quite exceptionally talented
students (one thinks of Meryl Streep at Yale), or students with 
odd, quirky, interesting presence but limited acting abilities 
(one thinks of Sigourney Weaver at Yale) are not cut.  It is the 
moderately talented students with nothing else going for them and
mannerisms/habits/appearance that distract who will be cut.  You've
already pointed out that of the 50 students who begin the program,
only 15 to 20 graduate.  That alone should tell you something.

> >Really, the school's overall emphasis
> >over the past decade-and-a-half or so has shifted towards
> >professionalism.  The music school, too.
>
> Should the school be prejudging which actors a casting director may
> want in the future?

Should the school train anyone who walks in the door?  Really,
this is just too preposterous.  An incredibly queeny friend of 
mine was an exceptionally successful actor, with Oscar and Tony
Award nominations to prove it.  Did he study acting at college?
No.  He was realistic enough to understand that he would not have
survived the cookie-cutter approach to stage-training.  (An approach
he himself later used when he taught acting at Yale.)  Leonard
studied painting at Cooper Union, dance with Martha Graham, and 
acting with Uta Hagen at HB.  He saw as much theater as he could.
He read.  He studied people on the street.  He lived a life.

Arne
From: PDA101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Queers in military in other countries???
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:23:03 GMT
 <michaelh.721976383@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
 <JPT.92Nov17103431@telecaster.think.com> <44067@imag.imag.fr>
Organization: Penn State University


  Regarding the comment of F. Maffray on homosexuality in the army:

  There was an interesting article on the ban of homosexuals in the U.S.
armed forces, in the Sunday, nov 22 edition of the Washington Post. The main
point was to show that there where actually less cases of 'misconduct' on
the part of homosexuals than there where cases of heterosexual harassement.
Interesting, though I disagree with the author's assessment that homosexuals
are more 'disciplined', whatever that may mean. I would think that in a
heavily homophobic environment, it is a necessary 'survival trait' for
gays and lesbians to hide their sexual orientation.
  The disquieting point in the article was the way the cases where presented
by the army. Heterosexual misconduct is basically rape or assault.
Homosexual misconduct is sex between even consenting adults. And there where
descriptions of how these acts where 'found out'. In one case, two
enlisted men spied through a keyhole at two women in a locked office. I can
only imagine these men 'getting their rocks off', before 'dutifully'
reporting the 'incident' and ruining these two women's carreer.

  The ban on homosexuality in the military is ridiculous, a product of
our society's disfunctions and history. I don't often agree with gay rights
activists, who often tend to take radical views, that in my opinion only
serve to increase the tension. But in this case, I wholeheartedly support
their case.

  To get back to F. Maffray's remark about homosexuality in the army, the
Wash. Post article says that apart from Great Britain, no  'western world'
armies have a ban on homosexuality. Unfortunately this is my only source:
any other comments.

  Paul Atlan.
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FAMOUS GAYS from GAYNET (fwd)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:56:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Lori Hartman has in her hand a list:

>> Tom Selleck, actor

> Lori

Tom Selleck has said time and time again that he not gay,
that if he was he would say so with pride, and that he is
as proud of his heterosexuality as gay people are of theirs.

I think the whole "Tom Selleck is gay" thing got started
because he used to model back when his acting career was
going nowhere, and "everybody knows" about those male
models, eh?

Anyway, the man says he is straight, and I don't know a soul
who has any reason to disbelieve him.  Isn't it time we took
him off our "Queer and in the Closet" lists?

And put Arnold Schwarzenegger on them?

:-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Please post Colorado addresses!
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:51:11 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <Bxzu6K.CDo@unix.amherst.edu> llatwood@unix.amherst.edu (Laura Atwood) writes:
>Could someone please post Colorado addresses?  I didn't save mine... also, 
>new users may find them useful.  Also, could you list which groups publicly
>opposed and/or voted against C)-2?  Over Thanksgiving, I'm planning to write
>letters galore, including letters of appreciation to allies.
>
>Thanks--
>Laura


Here's the file I saved of posts about Colorado addresses.

Peggy

Article 67958 of soc.motss:
From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: address of Colorado Association of Commerce and Industry
Summary: Aspen/Denver addresses
Keywords: CO-2
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:16:10 GMT
Reply-To: timdude@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

Denver:
1445 Market St
Denver CO  80202-1727

Aspen:
425 Rio Grande Pl
Aspen CO  81611

-Tim Petlock
timdude@saavik.cs.wisc.edu

All you need is a three-dollar-bill and a dream.


Article 67966 of soc.motss:
From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: MORE colorado addresses + phone numbers
Summary: Dept of Econ Development and Colorado Tourism Board addresses
Keywords: CO-2
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:21:15 GMT
Reply-To: timdude@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences


Here are a couple more appropriate addresses.  My letter to the two
that I posted before already went out in this morning's mail.  Dammit,
I'm *furious* about the passage of that amendment.

Colorado Department of Economic Development
Office of Business Development
Governor's Office
1625 Broadway Suite 1710
Denver, CO  80202
voice 303-892-3840

Colorado Tourism Board
Department of Local Affairs
1625 Broadway Rm 1700
Denver, CO  80202
voice 303-592-5410

-Tim Petlock
timdude@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
All you need is a three-dollar-bill and a dream.


Article 68031 of soc.motss:
From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:49:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Rocky Mountain Technology Center, Colo Spgs

In article <1992Nov5.174010.6348@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Thanks to Tim Petlock (hi, ya big cutie!) for posting addresses
>in Colorado.  I would like to see more such addresses, and in
>as many of the more conservative parts of the state as possible,
>especially in areas dependent on tourist income for their welfare.
>I'm thinking of Durango and other places in the SW part of the state,
>Colo Springs, Glenwood Springs, etc.

Sixteen of Colorado's 63 counties voted against Amendment 2.  You can
fault Colorado and Glenwood Springs, but probably not Durango; La Plata
county voted solidly against it.  El Paso county (Colo. Spgs) voted more
than 2-1 for Amendment 2.

>
>I'm about to go on a letter-writing binge.
>

A few more addresses for you:

Colorado Springs Chamber of Commerce
2 North Cascade Ave
Colo. Spgs, Co 80903

Colorado Springs Convention and Visitors Bureau
104 South Cascade Ave
Colo. Spgs, Co 80903

>Another list that would be good to have would be addresses
>of large corporations (like Coors) that have their
>headquarters in Colorado.  Somebody mentioned LL Bean, whose

I don't have the addresses of too many Colorado-based businesses,
but some companies to consider are Coors, Storage Technology,
US West and US West Cellular, any subsidiary of TCI, Inc, the
large cable tv conglomerate, and Exabyte Corp.

One other company that should be made to notice is the Chrysler
Corporation.  The head of CFV, Will Perkins, owns one of the largest
Chrysler dealerships in the state.  Since he is largely responsible
for CFV's funding, they should be aware of the consequences.

The front page of the Colorado Springs paper had an article today
on the cancellation of a number of conventions that had been 
scheduled for Colorado because of Amendment 2.  It also mentioned
the potential boycots.  This suggests to me that it will be an 
effective tactic.

>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin

Terry Bartlett			   bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
Sun Microsystems		   "You've got to stand for something,
Rocky Mountain Technology Center    or you'll fall for anything..."
Colorado Springs, CO 80918         


Article 68043 of soc.motss: