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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:51:34 GMT

In article <nts14ds@fido.asd.sgi.com>, shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:

> In article <1992Jul29.222305.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>>   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
>> 1.  Kieren Perkins (Australia)          3 minutes 49.24 seconds
>> 2.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
>> 3.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
>> 4.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
>> 5.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
>> 6.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
>> 7.  Sebastian Wiese (Germany)                      3:50.73
>> 8.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66

> Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
> coverage? I think not...

So are you trying to say I am providing better coverage, or coverage of
more events in the swimming, than NBC -- or, are you try to say I should not
cover such pithy competitions that don't have USA competitors?

[giggle]

You can gather that one of those comments was a huge joke

Rod Swift
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From: bjornmu@idt.unit.no (Bj|rn P. Munch)
Subject: Re: Codes for Countries
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.151611.29464@news.acns.nwu.edu>, fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
|> In article <9220921.20755@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
|> >Can someone please post the codes for all (or most) of the countries?
|> 
|> 
|> Other countries that I saw but didn't see the abbreviations:
|> Bosnia-Hercegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Maldives, Mozambique, Fiji,
       BSH.
|> Mauritius, San Marino, United Arab Emirates, Monaco, Syria.
                                                 MNC (I think)

Bj|rn P. Munch,  From one of the countries that always gets the
---------------    same three-letter code (NOR).   :-)
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: result-M's 200m Breaststroke Heat 7
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:45:10 GMT

   Heat 7
 1.  Mike Barrowman (US)                            2:11.48
 2.  Norbert Rozsa (Hungary)                        2:12.95
 3.  Akira Hayashi (Japan)                          2:14.61
 4.  Stephane Vossart (France)                      2:15.11
 5.  Jonathan Thomas Cleveland (Canada)             2:15.68
 6.  Andrea Cecchi (Italy)                          2:16.38
 7.  Christophe Bourdon (France)                    2:17.68
 8.  Nerijus Beiga (Lithuania)                      2:21.65

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From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Shame on Wendy Lian Williams
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:31:10 GMT
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation

In article <790@tdat.teradata.COM> David.Lai@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (David Lai) writes:
>During yesterday's NBC coverage of men's springboard diving, Tang Liangde
>of China did not do as well as he usually does on one dive.  Wendy Lian
>Williams, the NBC commentator, said something like the following (not the
>exact quote):
>
>  I am surprised that he didn't do well under pressure.  Among all
>  Chinese divers, he is the most westernized.  He smiles, waves...
>
>What kind of culture stereotype is this?
>
>-- David Lai

Are you referring to the commentator or the pool-side interviewer?
The commentator is not Wendy Lian Williams - she is someone else.
The woman who does the occasional interviews of the divers is Wendy.

If you are referring to the commentator, you should probably check
the facts before attacking someone.

John
 
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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
	<1992Jul29.043638.4185@tamsun.tamu.edu> <Bs57AK.C64@cs.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:21:49 GMT

In article <Bs57AK.C64@cs.psu.edu> flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee) writes:

   Well, I'd be happy with fewer reaction shots of the coaches, fewer
   shots of gymnasts waiting for their results, or waiting to start.  And
   fewer commercials of course.  All these fillers, taking time that
   could be spent showing more action.

   To some extent, these are logistic, directing problems, trying to
   cover a live event with concurrent action.

True, but the events are shown on tape-delay in the US.  It seems like
they *did* waste an awful lot of time last night showing the gymnasts
just standing around waiting, and with more careful editing they could
have squeezed in a few more performances.  I think NBC only showed one
routine by a Chinese gymnast in the entire evening.  They also didn't
really show much of the Romanians, and even among the Americans they
didn't show any of Wendy Bruce's routines.

Personally, I'm not so bothered by the taped background pieces on the
athletes as other people seem to be.  But they could certainly do
without the stupid music videos and the irrelevant hype interviews and
trivia pieces (like the bit about the swimming race in 1960).

-Sandra
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From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Medal Counts
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:07:58 GMT

Great idea!  I was really concerned that all the medals wouldn't be
given out; keeping a medal count will assure me that all the gold,
silver, and bronze medals will have been awarded...

Seriously, I think the whole idea of a medal count (by country) is
rather stupid.  Does how your native land somehow reflect on us (this
is called "basking in reflected glory" (BIRG))?  I thought the whole
idea of the Olympics was to bring together the great athletes of the
world to compete against themselves and each other.

Some of the great moments of Olympic history have been when members of
different nations help each other out:  Jesse Owens and Lutz Long, Bill
Koch (of x-country skiing fame) being helped up a hill by a Scandinavian...

Some of the lousiest moments occurred when nationality came into play:
USA vs. USSR in '72 basketball, Hungary vs. USSR in '56 water polo
(when the water turned red, following the Soviet invasion)...
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Short-Wave Olympic Coverage?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:43:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <92209.102357P85014@BARILVM.BITNET> P85014@BARILVM.BITNET (Anthony Waller) writes:
>  You can get regular updates on BBC World Service Sports Roundup
>at 0315 0945 1245 and 1745 GMT.  These programs run for 15 minutes.

I'm not sure that this would be good enough.  In the US, most major
cities have radio stations that provide Olympic updates several
times an hour -- San Francisco has at least two.  (This way, of course,
you can find out the results way before they are broadcast on TV.)
What would be nice, as the original poster suggested, would be a radio
station, or shortwave, that broadcast the whole event, live.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Subject: Medals in weightlifting?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:43:58 GMT


How are medals awarded in weightlifting? In each weight division there are
the three medals for total weight lifted. Are there medals given away for each 
of the two styles (I don't even know their names..) too? So each division gives 
3 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze or 1, 1 and 1?

Anthony Stefanidis
Ohio St8
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: JUDO: W's Heavyweight Finals & Semi-Finals
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.220356.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
> JUDO - Women's Heavyweight FINALS
> =================================
>  
> 
> FINAL:
> ------
> ZHUANG, Xiayong			CHN	Gold
>  	defeated
> VILLANUEVA, Estela Rodruigues	CUB	Silver
> 	by ippon (hold).
> 
> 
> SEMI-FINALS:
> ------------
> VILLANUEVA, Estela Rodruigues	CUB
> 	defeated
> LUPINO, Natalia			FRA
> 	by yuko (throw).
> 
> ZHUANG, Xiayong			CHN
> 	defeated
> SAKAUE, Yoko			JPN
> 	by ippon (hold).
> 
> 
> ** Results complete **
>  
> Rod Swift

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From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: Re: Just general...
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:55:09 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul28.062038.314@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
> Hi!!  Just some general thoughts about some comments made recently:

(deletions)
 
> 4)  The TV commentator for diving is WENDY LIAN WILLIAMS, not Michelle what's-
> her name.  But I do agree, she does get really annoying, really fast.

This is not correct.  Michelle Mitchell(?) is doing the color commentary and
WLW is doing the "sideline" reporting.  BTW, the countryside background for the
10M platform diving is the most spectacular I have ever seen.


Bill B.
From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Medal Counts
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:47:06 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <1992Jul21.160641.10750@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.140758.17579@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
>
>>Seriously, I think the whole idea of a medal count (by country) is
>>rather stupid.  Does how your native land somehow reflect on us (this
>>is called "basking in reflected glory" (BIRG))?  I thought the whole
>
>I personally do not care either way if we have medal counts... when I
>stated that it was an "Excellent Idea", I meant that I thought it
>would be good to include in our posting of results.  I've also heard
>via email from several people who agree.  While the medal counts do
>place great emphasis on the rivalries between nations, etc,
>individuals *are* representatives of their respective nations.  It's
>understandable to want to compare results by nations.  Also, in many
>cases, it is the nation who supports the individual's training (such
>as the former Soviet Union).
>
>Rachele

I disagree very strongly with the concept of medal counts per nation in fact
I think that we should go back to the days when they did not even have
 national anthems, the olympics is all about individual struggle. It is when
 success at the olympics is taken as how successful a nation is in the world
 that some of the more distasteful excesses occour like the enforced 
pregnancies and state controlled drug taking of bulgaria and East Germany
which may or may not be worse than the profit seeking drug taking of

the non-communist countries. 

		Andy Weir
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From: bjornmu@idt.unit.no (Bj|rn P. Munch)
Subject: Re: Handball
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:21:38 GMT

In article <3591@keele.keele.ac.uk>, csa18@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R.J. Husmo) writes:
|> 
|> The Yugoslavs are not allowed to enter any team sports.
|> According to rumour, the Norwegian handball team may substitute the
|> Yugoslav women handball team.
|> 
|> Anybody got any facts?
|> 

The final decision has been delayed umpteen times, but the definite
and official "yes" is supposed to come today.  In any case, there is
no doubt that _if_ any team is to take Yugoslavia's place, then
according to the rules, that team is Norway.

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From: yfeng@kirk.ecs.umass.edu (Youlin Feng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:31:49 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

If I were an American, I would be so shamed to have such a NATIONAL 
volleyball team.
Those bald guys think they are cool. They do not know they are only
targets of laughing from all over the world.

In the course of the match with Japan, one US player ( I forgot who he
is, I think it is Timons) even entered the Japanese player's field and
shout at Japanese players when he finished a attack. The referee should
have given him a yellow card. If Charles Barkeley was in Japanese
players, we can imagine what would happen.
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Not only NBC's Commentators in Barcelona...
Keywords: olympics, commentators, NBC
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:06:14 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <nazim.712263107@cwis> nazim@cwis.unomaha.edu (The Unknown) writes:
 > What are the questions for?, NBC hired a bunch of idiots for covering the
 > games, the biggest jerk among them is Costas, this guy doesn't know the
 > result of 1+1 but is a commentator for NBC...
 > 
It is not only NBC that is hiring idiots.  Just today in the cycling
commentary one of the comentators said that one of the cyclists had two
closed frontwheels.  The other was commenting on the start of one of the
competitors: "He is standing much longer than normal, eh, he is sitting
down much earlier than normal."
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: To the new readers of r.s.o
Summary: explanation of volunteers posting results
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:11:59 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

To people who have recently started reading this newsgroup...

R.s.o readership has organized a corp of over 20 volunteers to post
the results for all of the official Olympic sports.  We are still
waiting for volunteers for the demonstration sports, such as taek won
do (we already have someone for roller-hockey).  If you'd like to
"report" on one of these sports for our newsgroup, please email me and
let me know.

The goal of these volunteers is to provide r.s.o readership with
official results as quickly and accurately as possible, and in an
organized fashion.  Some of us have to rely on the newspapers and
such, so the scores may be a little slow in coming, but they will get
there.  Although this is by no means intended as a restriction on what
can be posted, (this is an unmoderated newsgroup), we hope that by
having one person reliable for a certain sport, this will eliminate
duplicate posts of results.  

Following is a list of volunteers.  In some cases these are experts,
in others they are merely volunteering their time for the benefit of
r.s.o readership.

		Volunteers to Post Results to R.S.Olympics

archery 	Mike Falkner = FALKNEMJ@cnsvax.uwec.edu
athletics 	Steven Mattic = scmattic@iastate.edu 
     (Steven will be helped by Larry Ehmer = ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu)
badminton 	Peter Teuben = teuben@astro.umd.edu
baseball 	Christopher Gattuso = gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
basketball 	Emil Thomas Chuck = etchuck@helix.nih.gov
boxing 		Kwadwo Frimpong-Ansah = kfansah@axion.bt.co.uk
canoeing 	Michel W. Chbat = chbat@ivy.princeton.edu
cycling 	Cyndi Smith = cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
diving 		Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
equestrian 	Nora Gayle Rivkis = rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
fencing 	Greg Dilworth = rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu
field-hockey 	Natarajan Ramasubramanian = 5912RAMASUBR@vmsf.csd.mu.edu
gymnastics 	Rachele Harless = rachele@cs.rice.edu
handball 	Eric West = fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
judo 		Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
medal-counts	Kalle Kivimaa = killer@punisher.cs.hut.fi
pentathlon 	Greg Dilworth = rgd3279@tamsun.tamu.edu
roller-hockey 	Eric West = fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
rowing 		Dan Martin = dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca
shooting 	Eric West = fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
soccer 		Rob van Rooijen = Rob.van.Rooijen@cwi.nl
summaries	rON. = blowfish@carina.unm.edu
swimming 	Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
sync-swimming 	Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
table-tennis 	Lyne Desjardins = desjarly@ere.umontreal.ca 
tennis 		Mike Falkner = FALKNEMJ@cnsvax.uwec.edu
volleyball 	Wouter Mettrop = Wouter.Mettrop@cwi.nl
water-polo 	Rod Swift = RSWIFTR@cc.curtin.edu.au
weightlifting 	Mack Hashemi = mack@isl.stanford.edu 
wrestling 	Mack Hashemi = mack@isl.stanford.edu 
yachting 	Paul A. Addison = P.A.Addison@lut.ac.uk

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From: rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: John Tesh
Summary: what a cheeseball
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:58:44 GMT

In article <Jul.29.11.20.03.1992.26143@remus.rutgers.edu> chuanli@remus.rutgers.edu (chuanli) writes:
>I watched the women gymnastic team competition last night, and found
>John Tesh very anoying.  He talked too much and would not let other
>people (experts) speak out. Agree?
>How did he get the job anyway???

Tesh is a definite detractor from the commentators, especially Elfi
Schlegel (former Canadian gymnast of the '70's).  I don't know how he
got the job, but NBC has had him at all their gymnastics coverage
leading up to the Games, to give him a little pre-Olympic experience,
I guess.  I do not know anyone who particularly enjoys his
commentating and I do know many who specifically dislike it.

Rachele
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:54:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1992Jul21.231559.9624@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>
>Look, this is 20th century. The ideas of monarchy and aristocracy and
>serfdom are all dead. The idea of equality and democracy is alive. And I am
>happy to see the last bastion of the idle class, the hypocritical idea of
>"amateurism", die. 
>

Equality?????
When you hear Mr.Jordan boast that the Olympics will be a vacation,you
know any hint of real competition is a myth. Sure,those who can stomach
one rout ater another will see basketball gold return to the USA. But it
didn't have to come this way. There was some exciting about seeing the
best of American collegians pursuing their dream. So they didn't always
get it. So what? Did we have to become the world's commercial bullies to
win the gold?

Why do you think the makeup of Team USA-NBA was named about a year ahead of
time? The reason had nothing to do with practice time,an exhibition
schedule,players getting to know each other,etc.

No.Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and friends were named teammates that early
so NBC could trumpet a selction show,so the team could be hyped though
the NBA season,so their faces could be spread on shirs and shorts for
20 bucks or more.

Do you know that some 30-plus companies came aboard as licensing partners?
The DreamTeam which must get up for such contenders as Angola is a tool
to push jackets,game toys,trading cards and so much more

-Mark
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-M's 200m Freestyle Final
Summary: update 1
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:43:26 GMT

SWIMMING - Men's 200m Freestyle Final
=====================================
 
World Record		1:46.69
Olympic Record		1:46.74
  
Gold	SADOVYI, Evgueni		EUN	1:46.70 	New OR
Silver	HOLMERTZ, Anders	 	SWE	?
Bronze	KASVIO, Antti Alexander		FIN	?
------
Placings for other competitors unknown...



Evgueni Sadovyi set a new Games record in his qualifying race, clocking a time
of 1:46.74 -- he again broke this in the final tonight with the time of 1:46.70
just 1/100th outside the world record time of 1:46.69


A close finish between Sadovyi and Holmertz, with only a touch in it!

Four swim finals and three Olympic Records.

All up, six Olympic records have been set in the pool today.

** This message will be reposted when complete **
 
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: Boguinskaia's old coach?
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:12:03 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.144132.2345@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> hlaufman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harry B Laufman) writes:
>Hello,
>     NBC announcers on Wednesday night were filling with human
>interest about contestants in the women's gymnastics.  They
>mentioned, without elaboration, that Svetlana Boguinskaia's coach
>and surrogate mother had committed suicide upon returning from the
>1988 Olympics.
> 
>     Who was this coach/mother?  Was it Ludmilla Terestchova?  I
>remember her competing well into her twenties and then coaching.
>Statuesque, tall and muscular, her type has been replaced by the
>quicker, tiny performers.

I do not know the exact name of Bog.'s coach, but it is something like
"Liubov Miromanova".

Rachele


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