Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:20:34 EST
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
 <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu> <1e9oo5INN3io@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
 <1992Nov20.030810.2716@udel.edu>

Yes, it's time once again to write another great/or stupid post.  It is a
yearly ritual..joy..
"I think John has a good point."

I could leave it at that...but of course, that is not my way..
From the title i would suggest talking to them like anyone else would.
Most people have hidden sexaul desires. Some follow these desires through.
Enough said.  Anyone who responds to childish comments should be treated as
a child.
It also comes to my attention, that you are grouping a bunch of people
together using the word homophobe, of which I belong to... It has been my
point, for a year or so, that homosexuals will not gain acceptance, or for
that matter, any oppressed group, will not gain acceptance if it does not
become an integrated member of society..in other words, not set apart as
some group...but to belong into society as a whole.  However, a group, i guess,
is needed to ensure this taking place, however, if the group doesn't go away...
i don't think you get anywhere...but yet the group is needed, hence you get
a circle...

What else..hmm... *fuzzy ponders*

oh, a story, of course...

Last night, around 12:30, i was trying to sleep off a few beers...and i
get this phone call...asking me to join some gay club...i thought it was
humorous, cause the person on the other end thought i believed him...
After checking around, i find that this is a common occurance, done all
in a joke...

I find it interesting..I think if I was gay, (trust me i'm not) i would
feel ashamed to be gay.  This probably comes from society..as well as
integrated belief..so my question this year, in my current study and
examination of belief stuctures...which will never get done...is....
(drum role.....)
1. Do homosexuals feel ashamed to be gay, and why in your opinion do you
        feel ashamed..and if you don't feel aahamed...do you have a pumped
   up ego about the whole thing...do you go around saying i'm proud to be gay.
   or do you just accept it as a fact of life and go on.


2. It was told to me that bisexuals in these "clubs" were shunned more or less
 In other words, you gotta be one or the other. Do you think this stems from
 the need to try and seperate the two groups...


ok, enough...no..one last one
3.  I recently considered creating a alt.per.homosexual, to basically try and
    make the board work better.  Those who do not like to see homosexual ads
    or arguments just leave..makeing the board inefficient. I did not write this
    here for you to make petty assumptions..so don't do it...My question is...
    "what is the correct term for homosexuals.  one person wrote to me and
    asked me how i could do this . I said it was very easy, the same way
    you can use the word homophobe, or heterosexual...I do not get upset when
    someone calls me straight or heterosexual,...so what is the correct term.
    I stick with homosexual. It what the boards are called anyway...no one
    seems to be able to give me an answer.

OK...in response to the above...how to respond...follow smitty's 3 easy steps.

1. say anything you wish, disagree with me, it helps me to learn more, or to
     prove that i am right.

2. If you feel mad, pissed off, etc after reading this post, don't respond,
     because you are weak minded.  I don't do flames..which is a shame..oh well

3. If you are a level headed person, i would gladly respond..by email..or
     if you think your point merrits everyones attention, post it.. Send me the
     flames if you wish be email..but geez, don't start a flame war..it serves
     no purpose.  Agian, please feel free to agree of disagree with the above.
     But write in a decent manner.
thanks, later, gersha,
smitty.
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