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From: robbe@obh.in-berlin.de (Robert Heinrich)
Subject: Voodoo Love Child / Cannibalistic Fishmen
Organization: obh - private bbs in Berlin/Germany
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:13:59 GMT

G'day,

Does anybody out there know any of the 2 bands [subject] ? They must
be around in QLD and some NSW, if at all.
Please let me know if they are touring or if any albums are available.

thanks, man !

Robbe

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From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Joys and Clouds @ Easts Leagues 2/1/93
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:54:23 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <rjh.726309677@fermat.maths.monash.edu.au> rjh@pixel.maths.monash (Plagued By Penguins) writes:

>>|> All in all, a very tight and polished performance, but darned it, something
>>|> seemed to be missing.  I reckon it was more the audience than the Clouds
>>Maybe the band have just played too much? All polish & no feeling (ho
>>hum - another sell out gig.....) Shame when that happens eh?

>I thought the Clouds were impressive. They were enjoying themselves and
>so were the crowd. I can't vouch for how Sydney audiences usually react
>(I'm a Melbournian interloper) but they seemed ok to me. Despite being
>dragged along to the gig, I enjoyed the Clouds once again.

I saw the Clouds at the Livid festival here in Bris before Christmas and they
were uninspiring to say the least. It felt like their new drummer was 
slowing every song down, and nobody on stage seemed to be having a good time.
I agree with Brendan Jones -- a polished performance, but no vim.

I've been told by friends that the Clouds don't like playing in Brisbane,
but I can't really say anything to that.
Although I like their music, I don't know if I would bother to go
and see them live here again.

Andrew
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From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Why Has JJJ Been so Crap Lately?
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:25:18 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <9301113.19937@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dorset@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Dorset) writes:

>Has anyone noticed that JJJ seems to be transforming into an easy-listening
>station? Now I know they don't play great stuff _all_ of the time, but for
>the past week or so, EVERY time I've switched to it, I've had to check that
>the tuner was set correctly... Does anyone know what's up?

Thank god it's not just me! I've been disappointed with them
recently, but was starting to think that maybe my tastes have gone wierder!

I put it down to that fact that they have become a giant request show
for the summer -- what you are listening to is what some people actually
phone in and tell them they want to hear!
Some peole do the strangest things...

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: PETER.GORMLEY@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Peter Gormley")
Subject: Raven Records
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:00:52 GMT

I would like to get in touch with Raven Records, but don't know if the
address I have is correct. The address I have is:

                     Raven Records
                     PO Box 90
                     Camberwell 3124
                     Australia


Can anyone confirm this as a correct current address? If not, is there
a new address for this label? Also, a telephone number would be
helpful. What I am looking for is a cd entitled "Boogie, Balls and
Blues - Volume 1". It is a compilation of Australian hard rock bands of the
70's. Also, if there are other volumes available, I may be interested,
depending upon their content. I know this was available on LP and cassette
as Raven catalog number 30, released in 1984, I think. Thanks for any help.

                            Peter
From: duncan@werple.apana.org.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: B-B-B-B-Beatbox
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:28:07 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au
Keywords: 1986 Westies


The OLD ABC Saturday morning show Beatbox was repeated on rage last night. I
remember (back when I was a nerdy teenager) quite liking it. As a nerdy
adult, I just sat there and cringed all the way through. My (non-Australian)
companions thought all the interviews with Sidney 'westies' circa 1985 quite
amusing. The show even had all the old videos of the time to go with it.
From what I saw I'd say even popular music has become a lot better quality
(and with a bigger sound) recently. The angry anderson rendition of 'Born to
be wild' was 110% pure spinal tap....



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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood)
Subject: Chart attack back.
Summary: UK Chart Attack is back
Keywords: UK Chart Attack is back
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:56:29 GMT

Further to the article I posted two weeks ago about the apparent
disappearance of UK Chart Attack from FOX FM for two weeks and the
reasons given by FOX for this disappearance.

UK Chart Attack came back on the air the following week (that's Murphy's
Law for you :-) and appears to be back to normal on FOX FM.

If there are any further developments worth posting, I'll keep you posted.


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From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Joys and Clouds @ Easts Leagues 2/1/93
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:21:52 GMT
Distribution: aus

A brief review of the Falling Joys and Clouds show at Easts Leagues Club last
Saturday night.

It was the opening show of their tour (with Swordfish, whom I missed because
I was eating a burrito at the restaurant down the street), and I have mixed
feelings about it.

The Joys were great save for the atrocious mixing.  I don't know what the guy
on the desk was on, but the sound was all over the place.  They played all
their big tracks, including "Parachute", "Lock It", "Shelter", "You're In A
Mess", "Black Bandages", "God In A Dustbin", "Shot In Europe", "A Winter's
Tale", and "Parachute".  They also played a few new tracks, including "XYZ"
and a couple off their new EP, I believe (I haven't seen it yet).

The main problem was the crowd.  Sedate would be an understatement.  My wife
was really getting into the Joys, and people just stood around her wondering
what she was doing.  Most stood motionless!  Maybe it was all the
out-of-towners here for the holiday season :-)

The Joys didn't have an encore (only muted appeals for one) and the Clouds
came on at 11.50 pm.  They played a big set of 20 or so tracks, going right
back to their first EP with "Anaesthesia".  They played "Soul Eater" and
"Sweetest Thing" off _Loot_, plenty of tracks off _Penny Century_ including
"Wednesday Night", "Pocket", "Show Me" and "Anthem", and lots from _Octopus_
including "Blood & Bone", "Say It" and "See You're Leaving".

They had one encore, with "Hieronymus", "Visionary" and the last track has
escaped me for the moment.

All in all, a very tight and polished performance, but darned it, something
seemed to be missing.  I reckon it was more the audience than the Clouds
themselves.  New Years' hangover?

Anyone else there?  Comments?

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: <sandi@deakin.OZ.AU>
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:59:04 GMT


Apologies for clogging up this group..

if the owner of this _old_ address (Sandra Higgins) is still reading
this group could she email her new address.  sandi@deakin.OZ.AU bounces.

ta
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Re: Joys and Clouds @ Easts Leagues 2/1/93
Originator: derbyc@sydrd14
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:57:18 GMT


I was there on Sunday.  Was it just me, or were the Joys playing flat.  
Some of Pat's bass lines swamped everything else because of the mix,
and it was really obvious when a duff note popped out.  The version
of Black Bandages was something to behold, though.   Their set only
soared when Jodi and Trish came on for Winter's Tale.  And should make
a mention of the light show and smoke machine.  It took me back to the
good old bad old days - from where I was standing, Stu could almost be
Dave Gilmour playing the intro to Wish You Were Here.

The same guy was on the mix for both the Clouds, and the Joys, so why 
did the Clouds sound so much more balanced?   Plus we got the bonus of
hearing Dave play a country and western instrumental when Jodi's amp blew.


(Did anyone like my guitar solo in the last Swordfish song?)

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: B-B-B-B-Beatbox
Keywords: 1986 Westies
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:08:28 GMT


In article <1il9n7INNpk2@werple.apana.org.au>, duncan@werple.apana.org.au writes:
|> 
|> The OLD ABC Saturday morning show Beatbox was repeated on rage last night. I
|> remember (back when I was a nerdy teenager) quite liking it. As a nerdy
|> adult, I just sat there and cringed all the way through. My (non-Australian)
|> companions thought all the interviews with Sidney 'westies' circa 1985 quite

As a recent oz resident I must say that it was very interesting to see
that snippet of pop culture from the 80's. One thing I noticed from the 
videos they showed was which bands were 'up front' at the time of "B-B-B..."
and still are now.

Question:  Who was that skinny bald guy in the jacket, who wouldn't look at
the camera or interviewer and ranted on for about 5-10 mins (this happened
about 4AM methinks).

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Why Has JJJ Been so Crap Lately?
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:52:18 GMT


In article <9301113.19937@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dorset@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Dorset) writes:
|> Has anyone noticed that JJJ seems to be transforming into an easy-listening
|> station? Now I know they don't play great stuff _all_ of the time, but for
|> the past week or so, EVERY time I've switched to it, I've had to check that
|> the tuner was set correctly... Does anyone know what's up?

This is the fault of their 'Endless Summer' promotion. They're featuring a couple
of hundred albums and playing them _complete_. This is going to last as long
as official 'summertime' lasts. Out of these 250 or so albums, you've got probably
60+% mainstream worldwide hit material. Makes for grate (sic) listening.

Besides that, the tracks they play inbetween the albums are, mostly no
better than your top 40 station (at the moment)

Complain - ring up JJJ on         008 021 060       for the DJs
           and Arnold Frollows    008 028 822       JJJ prog. director

Just don't tell em I told you to do it ;-)

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: dorset@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Dorset)
Subject: Why Has JJJ Been so Crap Lately?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:38:05 GMT

Has anyone noticed that JJJ seems to be transforming into an easy-listening
station? Now I know they don't play great stuff _all_ of the time, but for
the past week or so, EVERY time I've switched to it, I've had to check that
the tuner was set correctly... Does anyone know what's up?


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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
Reply-To: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:46:10 GMT

We have optional preferential voting in NSW.
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: jak@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr J Grimm)
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:05:56 GMT

From article <1i8dr8INN4eq@werple.apana.org.au>, by duncan@werple.apana.org.au (Duncan Robertson):
> PLEASE NOTE: I am posting this text file for a friend who wanted it posted.
> The views expressed are his, not mine. I'll pass on any comments and flames
> to the author. Hopefully soon he will have an account and will be able to
> respond directly.
>   HOW TO VOTE CLEVERLY  (in AUSTRALIA, i.e. FEDERAL ELECTION)
> However, there is a solution.  Even though all how-to-vote cards (all I've seen
> , anyway) have "number all the boxes" on them, this is NOT CORRECT.
> YOU DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT HAVE TO NUMBER ALL THE BOXES !!!.
> It is COMPLETELY LEGAL to ONLY NUMBER THE BOXES AS FAR AS YOU WANT.
> CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, don't rely on my word if you don't believe me.
> Just call the Australian Electoral Commission, and make a general inquiry.
> It's in your Phone Book.
> The number in Victoria is:   (03) 651 6201
> 

WOW ! That I did not know. I just phoned the Victorian number given above
and had it clarified. According to the person I spoke to, you can only
leave one box on the ballot blank. Otherwise, the vote will be discarded as
an informal vote. The same can be done for both Federal and State
elections, but ONLY ONE BOX CAN BE LEFT BLANK, or your vote will be
discarded. Still, one bastard left out is better than letting them in.
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From: Tom.Perrett@f388.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Tom Perrett)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:45:58

 -=> Quoting duncan to All <=-

 du> From: duncan@werple.apana.org.au (Duncan Robertson)
 du> Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne

Duncan,
My comments are based on an electoral process ciewpoint and not a
political viewpoint

 du> For example, if there were 5 candidates:
 du> 
 du> If you numbered ALL the boxes, if the first four didn't get in then
 du> your vote would go to number five, even if that's the last thing you
 du> wanted! 
 du> If you only numbered THREE boxes, 1 to 3, then you vote could only go
 du> to one of those three.  And if none of those three got in your vote
 du> would be thrown away (and would NOT go to the remaining two
 du> candidates) which is better than being used to help people you hate!

 This would be counted as informal - you have left two boxes vacant, one
 vacant is acceptable

 du>
 du> If you one numbered ONE box, then only that one candidate could
 du> benefit from  your vote.  If that person didn't get in, your vote
 du> would not go to anyone else.
 du> 

 Again this vote would be informal - more that one box is vacant.

The problem is that your friend is confusing how you can mark you ballot
and what is counted as formal and informal votes.  I think that he will
find that any ballot with more that one vacant box is counted as
informal and is therefore a completely wasted vote.  In fact it can be
proved that such a vote actually favours the succesful candidate whover
that may be.
Tom


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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam)
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  5 Jan 93 05:27:52 GMT

jak@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr J Grimm) writes:

>WOW ! That I did not know. I just phoned the Victorian number given above
>and had it clarified. According to the person I spoke to, you can only
>leave one box on the ballot blank. Otherwise, the vote will be discarded as
>an informal vote. The same can be done for both Federal and State
>elections, but ONLY ONE BOX CAN BE LEFT BLANK, or your vote will be
>discarded. Still, one bastard left out is better than letting them in.

The effects of leaving one box blank is exactly equivalent to filling
that box last.  Think about it.  If all the other candidates have
been eliminated, that means the one remaining has already won!  So
your vote will never be distributed to your last choice; you might as
well leave it blank.

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam)
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
Keywords: federal elections
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  6 Jan 93 01:04:42 GMT

suter@fawlty9.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:
>Well in my seat my vote went (technically at least but by that stage
>there really was no point in going through the actual motions of redistribution)
>to the Labor party candidate even though I DEFINITELY wanted to put a stop to 
>their mortgaging of all our present and future assets. 
>(Would those who didn't put Labor last please donate their share of
>the state debt to me now :-))

If you put Labor last there was no way your vote would get
distributed to the ALP candidate.  When there are only two candidates
left, at least one of them has a majority (OK OK so they could have
exactly equal numbers of vote but I don't think that was the case)
and wins.  So even if these two candidates were you last two choices,
you vote will never be distributed to your last choice.

You seem to be talking about redistribution until one candidate is
left with 100% of the vote.  Well in that case everybody's vote gets
distributed to the winner, and all our MPs were elected unanimously.
:-)

In any case I don't think the original advice was accurate.  I
remember at the last federal election a formal ballot had to have
every box numbered except possibly one.  More than one blank and the
whole vote becomes informal.  If they've changed it since then they
sure haven't told me.

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: c9119870@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ANTIGONE)
Subject: The Republic: An Issue To Ponder...
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:57:45 GMT

Well, the issue of Republicanism has hidden in the reeds for the time being.
Was it really a ploy of Keating to divert attention away from the ailing
economic situation? I don't think so.

It is about time this country stood on its own two feet and broke those
apron strings hinging us to those British bastards we call a mother. Well
mothers don't usually leave their kids high and dry until they're ready.

Matthew
Libertas
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Re: Clever Voting
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:05:40 GMT
Keywords: federal elections

In <1993Jan6.024402.25318@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> suter@fawlty9.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:

>It would appear that the case is that only one box can be left
>unnumbered. In any case, I don't care. That would only make
>useless advice only more useless. (If you vote 1 for any of the
>two major parties, then your preferences are usually irrelevant
>anyway since your votes will be the last to be re-distributed -
>in practice that means no actual re-distribution of your vote is necessary
>as a winner has already been declared/found. If you don't vote
>1 for a major party, or live in Wills, then the advice is still
>useless if you put your *hated* parties after any *non-hated* ones.)
>I think we all agree that the advice was practically useless.

No question about that. In fact (assuming that optional preferential
voting is enabled), it's worse than useless. A vote which has no
more valid preferences is exhausted if it comes up for distribution.
Each exhausted vote reduces the number of votes for a majority - so
it is really a 50% to one/50% to the other. If you _actually_ have
a preference (and who doesn't?) then you are much better off numbering
every square.

BTW, if you really don't want to give preferences beyond a certain
point, number 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, ... (say) and fill every square with
numbers. Your vote will be counted as formal until the first repeated
number. This is because the instructions say "you must number every
square", but don't absolutely insist that the numbers be unique and
sequential. 

Finally, for the Senate, you may be surprised how far your preferences
may travel, even if you vote for a major party (hah!). Don't fall into
the trap of numbering left to right after a certain point, nor into
the trap of voting above the line. It's worth taking the time and
studying the sample paper they publish in newspapers before the election
and working out exactly what your preferences are, and then bringing that
with you to the booth.

Chris

Worst voting intention seen while scrutineering: A voter who wrote
"F*ck [candidate's name]" on his/her paper, and nothing else. Only
the scrutineers got the message...
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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: hoconnel@iti.org (Heath O'Connell)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The Lam philosophy (was Re: JJJ...)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:08:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au

boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts) writes:

> (Daniel Lam) writes:
>> Well you have to keep them alive and fit enough to render useful
>> services.
>> 

>You just don't get it, do you man?

>Slaves are _expendable_ -- you don't care how fit they are.
>Once one has served its purpose you get another one.  That's
>how it works.


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