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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Champaign-Urbana cyclists
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:49:10 GMT

If the guy who wrote me this afternoon(9/10/92) reads this again, could you 
please write again.  I somehow managed to lose your message.  Sorry.


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: WHEN WILL THEY LEARN????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:31:27 GMT

ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Why are there still people sending technical, sales,...etc. messages to rec.
>bicycles.MISC when there are specific directories for these types of messages.
>I hate having to wade through crap that shouldn't even be there. 
>Perhaps people haven't been wearing their helmets and have had a few too many
>bangs on the head?
>WISE UP!!! And use the system as it's inteneded, or don't use it at all! It is
>not difficult!
>Charles (aka Mr Angry)
>ftgcdj@uk.ac.oxford.vax
He he he.  It will never end believe me.  Might as well not even waste your
breath.
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:30:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 8336@meaddata.com, mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
> What is the general consensus/rule of thumb on the appropriate action
> to take when two riders happen to be riding side by side, and suddenly
> need to move back to single file?
> 
> My situation is typically a recreational ride with one other person
> (no drafting) on country roads with practically no traffic. When the
> need to move to single file arises, I thought the person on the
> shoulder should speed up, and the person in traffic should move behind
> the person on the shoulder.
> 
> Thanks,
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
> mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
> ...uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio


I think the reverse makes more sense.
The person on the outside is at risk in such a situation. The quickest
method would be for the outside rider to brake, while the inside person
ducks in. Either that, or the inside person speeds up. When I'm in that
situation, I'd rather not depend on someone else to accelerate while
a car is approaching. I'd also rather not brake being on the inside,
as that would close the bike - car gap all the quicker, and possibly
surprise the driver.

John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Numb thumbs
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 23:39:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto) wrote:
> 
> I just started doing longer rides, and my thumbs start going numb
> after just a short while.  I have a pair of cheap gloves.
> Recommendations?

If you are using a Mt Bike, consider bar ends so that you can alter your
hand positions.  An alternative to bar ends are the Scott AT-* range and
other similar products.  The problem with Scotts is that they leave little
or no space on the bar for a computer, if you are to have a comfortable
riding postion on the flats.  I now use the Onza alloy model, about the
same price as Scott AT-3, and find them excellent.

--
Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
Palmerston North, NZ         40*23'S 175*37'E,    GMT+12
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:37:39 GMT

spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau) writes:
>...  Well on one
>occasion, the hawk flew down and hit (taloned) a guy in the face
>- the only thing the guy remembers is seeing the hawk about 10
>feet in front of him, then the ride to the hospital via ambualnce
>- he had to get about 40-50 stitches to close the gashes left in
>his face - and Fish & Wildlife won't do anything because they say
>the hawk is protecting it's young.  Go Figure.

Why should the F&W do anything at all?  Getting taloned in the face by
a hawk is a [albeit low] risk we all face every day & we should be
able to bear the consequences without requiring someone to do
"something" about it.  If we want to lower our risk, we can always
stay inside.

No, really, what do you want the F&W to do?
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
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<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:46:28 EDT
From: Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Wanted: FAQ for rec.bicycles.*

I recently read a post in rec.bicycles stating that the FAQ for this set
of groups would appear in rec.bicycles.misc.  Is this true. ?  If so,
when will it appear ?  If not, is there an FTP site where I can obtain
the FAQ ?  Any help would be most appreciated....

-Chad Burkins
From: perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:11:59 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY 12345

In article <3Hs-q9B@engin.umich.edu> kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:

   In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
   jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
   >
   >Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)

   Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.


One of the three reasons will answer the first question.  You shave your legs
so that after you fall and get road rash it won't hurt so much when you pull
off the bandage tape.  After this weekend I can testify from experiance that
lycra won't protect your legs for long as you skid to a stop.  I have never
shaved my legs, but I would consider it after pulling that tape off.

-don perley


--
perley@trub.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: CalTrain Bike Permits
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 05:24:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

I just sent in my application for a CalTrain bike permit.
Acccording to the rules, a maximum of four bikes will be allowed
on selected trains.  Now, just suppose........

It's a nice Sunday morning, and a flock of cyclists from the 
south and mid peninsula decide to invade Angel Island for a day
of riding and general all-around fun.  So during the morning and
perhaps early afternoon they take the train up to SF.
So when it's time to come home, and 50 cyclists are waiting to 
take the five afternoon and early evening trains home, what
happens?  
I *really* think there should be some guarantee that space will
be available for the return home.

Does anybody have any thoughts on this?  San Francisco to
Sunnyvale is not a ride I want to make in the evening.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:56:15 GMT

In article <dzrnv2_.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep8.184215.8336@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
|> >What is the general consensus/rule of thumb on the appropriate action
|> >to take when two riders happen to be riding side by side, and suddenly
|> >need to move back to single file?
|> 
|> The most appropriate action is almost never taken. The smart thing
|> would be for the rider closest to the road side to slow down and the
|> rider closest to the road center to pull over.

I thought this too, at first. The reason I asked is because as the
center rider, I found I had to keep checking over my (right) shoulder
to make sure I was clear of the side rider before I could pull over.
Then I wasn't able to keep an eye on the approaching car. Also, if the
side rider didn't slow sufficiently, I had to accelerate harder to get
far enough ahead to pull in front, and that sometimes took longer.

|> Invariably what happens is the jerk in the safe location -- the
|> outside of the road -- speeds up and the person closest to the car 
|> has then to slow up in order to pull over out of the way.
|> This means that the rate of closure changes and the car driver
|> has to figure out yet another change in his driving line. Increasing
|> the danger to the bicyclist.

Ah! My husband agrees with you! (about the rate of closure, anyway ;-)

I thought it was better to have the side rider speed up, (hopefully
the center rider would not have to slow down) and then it would be
easy for the side rider to see when they were clear to pull over. I
figure its easier to slow down than speed up, so the center rider
could get over quicker that way in case the side rider did not speed
up sufficiently.

|> No matter what kind of riders I have ridden with, experts all the way
|> down to rank novices, they all seem to be incapable if figuring out
|> that the idea is to get the roadside rider to the outside as fast
|> as possible. I guess this has something to do with the falibility of
|> man (or woman.) :-)

Darn... I was hoping this was a well-established standard.  Well, I
guess as long as the two riders agree on what action to take, it
doesn't matter which one they choose.

And I agree with you, as long as the side rider agrees to slow
sufficiently, then it does seem safer if the center rider speeds up
and moves in front of the side rider.

Thanks!
_______________________________________________________________________
Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
..uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

>In rec.bicycles.misc <1992Sep6.175214.24079@panix.com>
>  paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
>
>>  I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
>> anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
>> had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
>> simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
>> or her helmet.


How about a hawk buried in your face?  There was a hawk out here
on one of the main training roads who would swoop down and grap
at your jersey or your helmet (one guy lost his helmet cover,
only to find it in the ditch the next day).  Well on one
occasion, the hawk flew down and hit (taloned) a guy in the face
- the only thing the guy remembers is seeing the hawk about 10
feet in front of him, then the ride to the hospital via ambualnce
- he had to get about 40-50 stitches to close the gashes left in
his face - and Fish & Wildlife won't do anything because they say
the hawk is protecting it's young.  Go Figure.

Shane Esau
spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bchivers@pacific.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Keywords: weight
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:07:09 GMT

 > In article <1992Sep9.155407.1548@nas.nasa.gov> border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border) writes:
 > >
 > > If the outside rider accellerates, then the roadside rider
 > > is able to cut in at the earliest possible moment, timing
 > > his move so as to get in as quickly as possible without
 > > crossing wheels with the outside rider.

In article <b5sn+cr.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
 > 
 > It is always faster to slow up then to accelerate.

Not if you're riding uphill beside my girlfriend. ;-)
Sprinting ahead and pulling over is often faster than
trying to slow down enough for her to get ahead of me.
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:27:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <102420004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>
>I agree that it's nice to have very low granny gears, but
>I disagree that a 12 tooth cog is almost useless.  I'm
>almost always in my 48x12 on the road, unless there's
>an uphill or a headwind.  

This makes me curious: is there something about the position MTBs put
you in that encourages lower cadence?  Your 48x12 gear, which you say
you almost always use on the raod, gives you a 96" gear (assuming 24"
diameter wheels.)  I've found that, on my road bike with 110 psi 23c
slicks, and on flat ground without any wind, I generally use either a
42x15 or a 42x16 in order to maintain average speeds between 21 and 25
mph over long distances.  Those ratios give me either a 75 or 70" gear.

So either you're a hell of a lot faster than I am or you're spinning a
lot more slowly.  I don't use my high gear, which is identical to yours
until we adjust for my larger-diameter wheels, unless I'm doing over
35 or so on a downhill.
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:41:14 GMT

> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>Usually I prefer to stay double file and wave the motorists
>around both of us.   Eventually the drivers get the 
>message and pull over the center-line and around us....

Errrgghh!  This style of riding has caused a lot of turmoil in Bouler.  In
particular, on a route in No. Boulder (75th, 63rd, Nelson Rd.).  People have
gone to court, both motorists and cyclists.  It's against the law so the
cyclists can be ticketed.  When the local farmer, sick of waiting behind
bicycles everyday, reacts with poor judgement, he ends up in court, too.

I stopped on this route to put a little oil on my chain one day and the
resident of the nearest farmhouse came up to me and, politely, started asking
me about riding and what I thought of people not closing up into single
file.  I felt like a diplomat in a political disagreement.  The farmer
Said that he likes to ride.  He knows how nice it is to be pedaling out in 
the country air (dairy-air's my favorite :-)

He had to follow a pace-line one day and he got sick of it.  So, when he 
finally passed them he slowed  down to 10-15 miles an hour and wouldn't let
them pass by.  The cyclists were taking him to court for reckless endagerment 
or some such.  I bit my tongue.  But I felt like reminding him that he was 
driving an implement of human destruction, and therefore needed to excercise 
more caution.

He had told me that the whole thing was going to court in a few days, so I
just told him was that I hoped it all got solved peacefully and to everyone's
satisfaction.  I never did follow up.  I don't know what happened.

IMMHO: I don't agree with the cyclists in the pace line or the farmer.  Both 
acted in the wrong.

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne)
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:48:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.184215.8336@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>What is the general consensus/rule of thumb on the appropriate action
>to take when two riders happen to be riding side by side, and suddenly
>need to move back to single file?

To remove all problems of communication, I think it should all be left up to
the rider who is closer to the center.  If he feels he can easily pull in
front of the other rider, then he can pull ahead.  If he wants to drop
behind, then he can put on the brakes and fall in behind.  Either way, the
other rider should stay at a constant pace.

Makes sense to me.

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From: deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Scothlite(tm) Question
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:08:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello all,

        I was wondering if anyone on the net knows of a way to obtain
Scotchlite (tm) in bulk quantities.( i.e. "by the yard") We've all got
bits and pieces of this reflective fabric on seatpacks, shoes, panniers,
etc. and it's a great help for nightime visibility. But I'd like to sew
large patches of the stuff on some of my outerwear, packs etc. I figure
one or two square yards of the stuff ought to be plenty. If anyone knows
how I could get my hands on such a quantity, E-mail or post the info.

                                                Thanks
                                                Derrick

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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 19:39:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep8.184215.8336@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>What is the general consensus/rule of thumb on the appropriate action
>to take when two riders happen to be riding side by side, and suddenly
>need to move back to single file?

The most appropriate action is almost never taken. The smart thing
would be for the rider closest to the road side to slow down and the
rider closest to the road center to pull over.

Invariably what happens is the jerk in the safe location -- the
outside of the road -- speeds up and the person closest to the car 
has then to slow up in order to pull over out of the way.

This means that the rate of closure changes and the car driver
has to figure out yet another change in his driving line. Increasing
the danger to the bicyclist.

No matter what kind of riders I have ridden with, experts all the way
down to rank novices, they all seem to be incapable if figuring out
that the idea is to get the roadside rider to the outside as fast
as possible. I guess this has soething to do with the falibility of
man (or woman.) :-)
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <Bu9o1D.LAH@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:

>>... Anyway, you shouldn't attempt to true yourself unless you know
>>how.  You can really screw it up - I know.  

>Oh, come, come!!
>How does one get to know how if one doesn't dare it!
>There are treatises and books and chapters in books and magazine
>articles on truing wheels. 

Right, although I wonder about some people.  Several years ago I met a
young woman touring on a grossly overladen bike who was almost on the
verge of tears because her wheels were out of true.  She was wondering
whether she would make it 80 km to the airport to fly home, because she
couldn't continue on such bad wheels.  At first she refused my offer to
fix the wheels, but my wife talked her into it.  It seems that several
other (male) tourists had confidently offered to help, and they all made
it worse.  In fact, it only took a couple of minutes to get the bike
close to true, and she apparently didn't have any more problems.  And
I'm not an experienced wheel builder, just your usual hacker.

What I know about wheel truing boils down to two prescriptions: first
get it round, and then get it true.  Once you have got the wheel round,
you always combine equal amounts of clockwise and counterclockwise
rotation to keep it that way while you take out the wobble.  Not at all
difficult, but somehow a lot of people manage to screw up.
-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca
From: camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (**bj**)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep3.220522.2580@colorado.edu>, doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight) writes...
> 
>I have the choice of a 12-26 or a 13-28 block for my mountain bike. The 
>front rings are 46,36,24. 
> 
>I like the 46-12 gear for the road but i'm concerned that the 
>24-26 gear will not be low enough for the steepest, loosest, most technical
>trails (which is really what the bike is for). Bear in mind that lots of
>MTBs hav a 30 tooth ring at the back.
> 
>Which block would _you_ choose? 

I'd choose the 13-28.  IMHO, 24-26 is not going to be low enough if
you are serious about using your bike for off-road rides.  Guess it
comes down the the difference between a mountain bike for the roads or
a mountain bike for what a mountain bike is meant for.
**bj**
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