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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: MAC notes for November 7, 1992
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:45:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.CMM.0.90.4.721611931.pfleming
Organization: The Ohio State University

MAC Conference Standings
------------------------
after November 7, 1992

                   Conference             Overall
Team               W   L   T    pct.      W   L   T    pct.
-----------------------------------------------------------
xBowling Green     7   0   0   1.000      8   2   0    .800
Akron              5   3   0    .625      6   3   0    .667
W. Michigan        5   3   0    .625      6   3   1    .650
Ball State         5   3   0    .625      5   5   0    .500
Toledo             4   3   0    .571      6   3   0    .667
Miami              4   3   0    .571      5   4   1    .550
C. Michigan        4   4   0    .500      5   5   0    .500
Kent               2   6   0    .250      2   8   0    .200
E. Michigan        1   6   0    .143      1   9   0    .100
Ohio               1   7   0    .125      1   9   0    .100

x - clinched conference championship

Games for November 7, 1992
--------------------------
Bowling Green 28, Kent 22
Miami 20, W. Michigan 7
Toledo 10, Ball St. 9
Akron 29, Temple 15
Cent. Michigan 30, E. Michigan 13
Youngstown St. 28, Ohio Univ. 20

I was 3-3 against my sread this week (4-2 in picking winners) bringing my
season total to 35-25 (40-20 in picking winners.)

Notes:

Bowling Green wrapped up the conference title and a trip to the Silver Bowl in 
Las Vegas to meet the winner of the Big West.  This is the first time since 
1979, 1980 that the MAC has produced a repeat winner.  The last eam to do it 
was Central Michigan.

Important betting note: Never pick the Bobcats to win.  Just don't do it.

Bowling Green Quarterback Erik White was selected as this weeks's MAC offensive
player of the week.  White ran for a touchdown and passed for three others in 
the Falcon's title clinching win over Kent.  He completed 24 of 45 passes ofr 
312 yards to go with the scores.

Miami Linebacker Curt McMillan and Toledo linebacker John Forementin shared 
defensive palyer of the week honors.  Formentin had eight tacles and blocked a 
field goal in the Rockets 1 point win over Ball State.  He also intercepted a 
pass and returned it for 19 yards to set up the Rocket's only touchdown.  
McMillan, a senior from Upper Sandusky, Ohio, had 15 tackles, including one 
quarterback sack, intercepted a pass and broke up another pass in Miami's 20-7 
win over Western Michigan.  Not a bad day for a guy just back from arthroscopic
knee surgery!

     - Pat

- Patrick E. Fleming -------------------------------------------------------
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From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Minnesota Wins in Mad City
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:32:48 GMT
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The cheeseheads have be a little quiet out there SO...

 My prediction for Sat.'s game is:

 Minnesota 28 - Wisconsin 17

Bring the Axe Home !!!!!!

Tom
Go Gophs !  Beat Wisconsin and Iowa !

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From: gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:24:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Big 8 woof
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college


>>I wouldn't count KU to lose to CU.  By the Relativity Theorem.....
>>KU beat OU at KU, while CU tied OU at CU.   And KU didn't get thumped
>>by NU as bad as CU.
>
>i would consider this incorrect in every aspect but the final score.  sure,
>nebraska won 52-7 over colorado (and deserved to win big) and won "only"
>49-7 over kansas (and deserved to win big), but 21 of nebraska's points
>against cu came in the fourth quarter, and a good deal of colorado's
>suffering was "self-inflicted" (interceptions, fumbles, penalties at
>inopportune times), whereas kansas was just sort of slowly steamrolled in
>the first half before nebraska called off the dogs early in the third.

I've detected an annoyingly familiar Buffie woof:  When the Buffies win 
it's because of superior talent/coaching/etc.  But when the Buffies lose,
it's "self-inflicted".

Give me a break!

>-johndoe
>----------

GO SOONERS!

GregB
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia vs NCSU game (was My Top 25)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:29:04 GMT
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In article <mp.721674690@news.ncsu.edu> mp@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kumar Patel) writes:
>I think the backup passed as well.

Mike Groh did a good job under the circumstances. He had absolutely no
game experience whatsoever. Symion Willis, who was the backup earlier
in the year, is injured. So, Groh has not had any significant playing
time. IMHO, putting Groh in is a sign of how bad things are at Virginia. 
George Welsh admitted he put him in only because he really didn't know
what else to do and thought maybe a change of QB would provide some
sort of mental boost for the team. I have not heard yet who will start
against Virginia Tech.


-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Washington vs. Arizona
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:40:15 GMT


  Congratulations to Arizona.  The 'Cats played a flawless games and took
the ball away 4 times, while Washington misfired on 4-5 scoring opportinities.

Miami is #1

Couple of good things came out of this:
 1) The dispute over who's #1!!
 2) The Huskies will not slack off and will try their best to win the
    last 3 games (bowl game included).

I am still prepared for the worst -->  An 0-9 record on Thursday!!

Go Huskies!!

-Behzad  :)  *still smiling regardless of the loss*
From: DCS@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NCSU/UVA in Charlottesville
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:55:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92311.105523DCS
Organization: Penn State University

I will be attending the State-Virginia game this weekend.  I will be traveling
down on Friday from here in unhappy valley (PSU 6-3) to finally see the Pack
play since the Iowa and Maryland games.  Anybody got any suggestions on
restaurants, college shops, or other interesting things than Monticello and
Ash Lawn?  I was there in '88 when the Hoos caught State on a terrible day.  I
was also at Carter Finley last year during the cold and muddy massacre.  Will
this be the year Coach Sheridan gets the Virginia nemisis off his back.  State
victories in the season's last three games will sure make the season and maybe
, just maybe, (please, pretty please) a date with the Nittany Lions in the
Blockbuster.  Any thoughts?

Bob Clark
NCSU '83
PSU '93 (hopefully!)
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: whine? no thanks, just T!!
Keywords: n
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:04:32 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>
>recruit: Yeah, but they do have 3 National Championships and how many does
>         a&m have RC?
2 after this season.  :-)

>i don't think so.  a&m doesn't seem to lose their intensity when playing.
>i haven't seen them play at a lower level this year.  they don't have a
>Peter Gardere.  he is hot and cold.  when he is on, he's the greatest
>thing since sliced bread but when he is cold, he can drag a whole team
>into the gutter.  i'll be happy to see him leave.  although, i think he
>will have a stellar game against a&m and we will prevail.  the only reason
>i say we will win is because it is in austin.  of course, i shouldn't
>even be talking about this because we still can earn one more loss (Baylor).
>they played a&m tough but just too many mistakes.
>
I don't think so.  I think RC is going to go down to Austin and kick some
serious 'Horn butt..  He has too, he can't let Mackovic play him close in
his first year, that would hamper RC's recruiting.  Look for one of those
42-10 years.. 

^
|
------------first aggie woof for Thanksgiving!  

cmuck

=======================================================================
Aggie winning streak ------>   9   and counting
=======================================================================
but 10 after tonight... :-)
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Lee Corso's coaching career
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:15:36 GMT

     I hate to sound ignorant here, but has Lee Corso ever coached a college 
team, and if so, what team and when?
     Thanks!

                                   Steve
///
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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:55:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.182221.8785@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
> 
>	Right now, the Big Ten still has a chance to send it's third place
>team to the Holiday Bowl.  That is if they (the Holiday bowl) wants to accept
>a team with only six wins.  If Iowa beats Northwestern and Minnesota then
>they will be the third place team and go to the Holiday bowl (some B-ten tie
>breaker??)  

This is true, assuming either Ohio State or MSU lose both of their next 2
games, otherwise Iowa could only be #4.  Does anybody have the REAL scoop
on what is going on for #2, #3 in the B10?

>	Timothy J. Shannon    	e-mail -  timothy-shannon@uiowa.edu

Pat Lawson
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Texas A&M-Houston, Football???
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:50:36 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <Mike.7@Mail.Trincoll.Edu> Mike@Mail.Trincoll.Edu writes:

> Did anyone else have the misfortune of watching that exhibition
> on ESPN last night?  4+ hours of horrendous coaching, tackling, 
> and even refereeing.  High How far the once mighty SWC has fallen.

  Still has a better out-of-conference record than the Wimp-10, if you can
believe that.

> What happened to that vaunted Aggie defense?  They gave up 
> 450+ yds to a Houston team that managed 14 pts against SMU
> and looked thoroughly confused doing so.   The tackling was awful 
> on both sides.

  Yup.  I blame the short week.  Plus the fact the UH almost completely
eliminated mistakes that killed them against SMU.

> R.C. Slocum did his VERY best Jerry Burns (Ex-Viking Coach) 
> impersonation, often looking disoriented and calling some 
> dubious plays.

  Really?  Besides, the ONE you listed below?  I can think of a handful of
plays I might have done differently.  Maybe.  In general, the coaching
was good, but some of the execution was sloppy, especially the HB pass
play.  Hill did not fake it well at all.

> Throwing the ball in the last 4 minutes with a tenuous 8 point 
> lead and that heralded running attack?  The clock was stopped twice 
> and Pullig was intercepted once with about 2 minutes left.
> The Aggies were lucky Klingler and Co finally ran out of gas.

  Considering the pass plays came on 3rd and long, and Pullig had done
well all night, they weren't that ridiculous.

> Finally, what about that officiating!

  This I agree with.  The zebras were deaf, dumb, and blind.

> Miami should committ to the Cotton Bowl ASAP!  

  Please, please!
 
> A&M is certain fodder fo another mythical championship.

  Heh.  Keep saying that. :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Michigan '93
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:07:51 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <92315.190811U32431@uicvm.uic.edu> U32431@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Would someone send me the Blue Team's '93 schedule.  I know it was posted a
>while back, but I did not commit it to memory.  Thanks.

Sept.  4     WASHINGTON ST.
Sept. 11     NOTRE DAME 
Sept. 25     HOUSTON
Oct.   2     IOWA
Oct.   9     Michigan St.
Oct.  16     Penn St.
Oct.  23     ILLINOIS
Oct.  30     Wisconsin
Nov.   6     PURDUE
Nov.  13     Minnesota
Nov.  20     OHIO ST.
 
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: usc vs arizona
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov11.221625.17914@cheshire.oxy.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:38:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.221625.17914@cheshire.oxy.edu> creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:

   >In article <1drrceINN9om@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

   >>I guess someone is still waiting for Arizona to choke and lose because
   >>USC is picked to win by 2.  I don't know what keeps Arizona down.  

   >Have you ever heard of media bias?

   >Scott

Have you ever heard of Las Vegas?  The media doesn't fix the handicap,
the sports handicappers in 'Vegas do.  The reason is strictly
monetary, and has nothing to do with bias for or against any
particular team.  Can you imagine how many arms and legs would be
mysteriously broken if a handicapper in 'Vegas were to let his
personal feelings for a team change his handicap and result in lost
revenues for the bookmakers?  Get a clue, Go Blue!



-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
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Subject: Re: My Top 25
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:53:10 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

In article <XjB=-X=@engin.umich.edu>, quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
says:
>
>In article <1992Nov10.135342.10153@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>>just to add another poll into the works, i thought i'd post my
>>vote to the rsfc poll, with a little commentary......
>>
>>1. Alabama. Roll f*cking Tide, Roll. No real reason to put them ahead
>>            of Miami and A&M, but I dont like to move teams up on
>>            an idle week, so miami has to stay at #2
>
>Yet you moved Alabama up?  Go figure.

He moved Alabama up because 1.  Alabama beat LSU, and 2.  he felt like it.
Both of which fall within his stated criteria--not moving up teams that
coming off an idle week.

Jim Thomas
Penn State
From: yang@math.duke.edu (Joe Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UW-Arizona game (from a Husky fan's perspective) I
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:59:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.6846
Distribution: usa

Being a Husky fan in ACC land, I don't have much chance to watch Husky
games this year. So a friend of mine in Seattle wrote to me after each
game for valuable comments and match reports. After Saturday's loss,
my friend wrote me two mails which I think is very interesting.
Compared with lots of woofing in the newsgroup after the game, I think
this is more interesting to read.
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From: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Hobert, UW on the ropes.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 12:55:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu


In article <keydnJ600iUyQ2MvcA@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >KSTW channel 11 (Tacoma, WA) just devoted the first
> >14 minutes of their newscast (*not* the sports segment
> >but the regular news portion) to the Hobert incident.
> >Include was a recap of the loan details ($50,000 from a 
> >golfing partner's father living in Post Falls, ID); interviews
> >with students on campus, middle-aged Husky fans in a local
> >sports bar; and even a 1-900 call-in poll with the question:
> >"Do you think it was wrong for Billy Joe Hobert to accept the
> >loan?" :-D    They also said that the NCAA has announced the
> >beginning of a full investigation of Hobert and the entire
> >UW football program.  If anything else is found, look for some
> >major-league sanctions.
> > 
> >Jim
> >Go Vikings, Northstars!
> 
> I also read that if he is found guilty, they (UW) will most likely have
> to forfeit all the games he has played in.  Wouldn't that make them 0 -
> however many games he has played in?  Wow! So much for the #1 ranking or
> can they still win being technically 0 - whatever, but still won all
> their games?
> 

	Where the Hell did you get that?  So does it mean that Auburn
have to return all their Bowl trophies (if any) in the games that Eric 
Ramsey has played in?!  

	Look, the penalization of one player on his personal doing 
should in no way affect the team.  The coaching staff had no prior 
knowledge of his alleged violation.  Let me repeat myself again, the
allaged violation that Hobert had commited is in no way affiliated 
with the University of Washington.  Because the guy who gave Hobert the
Doe is not even a UW alum.  Unlike Duboise, who received money from 
Notre Dame alums.  

	At best all NCAA can do is to force U of Washington to take 
Hoberts last year eligibility away.  If NCAA tries to penalize UW 
otherwise, there are plenty of legal grounds for UW to sue the NCAA.

-  Chung Yang

> Susan Wagner
> Colorado Buffalo fan in Pittsburgh, PA
> 
>
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia vs NCSU game (was My Top 25)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:45:45 GMT
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In article <mp.721507113@news.ncsu.edu> mp@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kumar Patel) writes:
>However, Virginia "fans" never allowed that to happen.
>
>Goodman overthrew his very first pass (a few plays into the game), and
>the fans started booing right away. What a way to help a QB shrug off
>a missed pass and gain some confidence.
>
>Anyway, Goodman rarely passed after that (until the end of the first
>half when they had to move the ball quickly).
>State pretty much only had to cover the run. If Goodman had thrown
>a few more passes and spread our offense a little more...

Tell that to George Welsh. There have been articles in the paper here
recently about some of the players being upset at Welsh's offensive
calls. The passing game was going so well at the beginning of the year,
the coaches apparently told the players that Virginia football meant 
running the ball and they were going to have to change things. That's
when the offense starting going down the drain. 

>
>It was unbelievable. I have heard other teams being booed by their own
>fans before, but right after ONE missed pass? only a few plays into the
>game?

It wasn't after *one* missed pass. It was after watching an offense that 
started off the season scoring 45 points per game score a whopping
1 touchdown against Division I teams in 10 quarters of football. I
agree that booing your team is a little much and if I was at
the agme, I'd probably be a little upset, but you have no idea how
frustrating it is to watch a team flop when you know they can do
much better.

I disagree with your assessment that the fans didn't allow their
team to win. IMHO, the coaching staff is completely to blame for
Virginia's recent performance.         



-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Boilerweenie Alert!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:59:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.215906.9094
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

To:	Goober Smith
	President and Dictator for Life
	Goober School for Unkneauxing and Clueless
	TAMU Chapter

From:	Cliff Slaughterbeck
	Vice Dictator for Life in Charge of Vice
	Goober School for the Unkneauxing and Clueless

Re:	We got us a problem, boss.

I refer you to the recent series of postings entitled Washington, the STATE
of college football, as well as those entitled Is Michigan better than Miami,
and the associated postings talking about Michigan being better or worse
than Alabama (numerous thread titles).  A certain Mr. Dave Meeks (clever
last name, I must admit) contributed to all of them, generally uspetting a
whole lot of clueless goobers at various big time programs under our care.
Then, this morning, I read the net and what do I find, but the following
startling confession:

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

[Stuff deleted about Alabama, Michigan, Miami, as well as several things
  that you can't say on TV].
>                                                              Purdue is
>not a "piece of shit", they are my Alma Mater and have played pretty well at
>times.

[More stuff deleted, some of it offensive to sensitive ears]

>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"

Now you see the big problem.  Meeks is a Boilerweenie.  All this time, and
we had no idea.  Chapin's security police must be better than we thought.
If Meeks hadn't let this slip out, who knows how much damage he might have
done.  I suggest you sick Debbie on him.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:55:35 GMT

Well, it seems the dispute between Washington and Miami for #1 is now over.
Arizona wins 16-3 over Washington and Miami will rightfully be the new
undisputed #1 college team in the nation.  Flame on buddy, I don't care.

WASHINGTON LOST, nuff said!

David


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