HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lad@uni.ins.com (Lawrence A. Deleski)
Subject: Re: CLINTON: We won and you were stupendous!
Organization: International Network Services
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:57:05 GMT

From article <1992Nov5.065842.11553@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, by Clinton-HQ@campaign92.org (Clinton/Gore '92):
> Volunteers,
> 
> Thank you for all your help, work and support these past 90 days.
> 
> We have for ever changed the way campaigns are run.  We showed that BOTH
> the filters and interpretations of the media AND the organizational
> hierarchies of a campaign can be removed from the delivery of information
> to the citizens and voters.
> 
> As you savor the victory we won, reflect that we have come full cirlce
> from the victory of Richard Nixon to the defeat of his protege, George
> Bush.  And all without winning Texas.
> 
> Remember, thought, that this is not a time to gloat, but  a time for
> coming together.  We have not one person to waste, regardless of for whom
> they voted.  All are asked to join our team for the task of changing
> America.
> 
> As one of you pointed out, America ends with "I Can".  Together we will!
> 
> Finally, I thank you for all your support.  We could not have won without
> it.  
> 
> Regards,
> Jock Gill
> Clinton/Gore Campaign
> Little Rock, AR
> 
> [Note: This channel will be closed for a short vacation and relocation.
> The intention is to hold this interruption to as short an interval
> as possible.  Thanks for your patient understanding - J.]]
> 
> 
> 

Oh joy, we've managed to elect another one-term president who is hell-bent
on taxing the pants off of us.  Now that's something to get real pumped
about.

You didn't win, Bush lost.  Face up to that.  If the Dems ran a jar of
pickles against Bush the jar would have won by a landslide.

Just goes to show you how desperate the American people must have been to
elect this bozo.  God help us.

Smoke another doobie for me, Bill.


-- 
        Lawrence A. Deleski         |       International Network Services
        lad@uni.ins.com             |       4701 Patrick Henry Drive
        uunet!uni!lad               |       Suite 1701
        MABELL:  (408) 496-1410     |       Santa Clara, CA 95054
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: The Liberal Agenda (Was: Clinton:  Why Should I...)
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:55:06 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Distribution: alt
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <JMC.92Nov3133950@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:

>New York City has about 30,000 police officers, Los Angeles with 2/3
>the population has 9,000.  Therefore, New York has much less crime
>than Los Angeles.

>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Ain't arithmetic wunnerful?

New York City has about eight million people covered by those 30,000 officers,
which is one per 2,667 people.  My original hometown, which I left because it
is also in New York State, Sag Harbor has 2,500 full-time residents - around
5000 during the summer.  It has 19 full-time police officers on roster, which
is 1 cop for 131 people in the winter and 1 to 262 people in the summer.  I
guess Sag Harbor has even less crime than NYC.  Of course, it's a virtual
police state, with less freedom than people used to get in the Kremlin, but
that's democracy for you.

Sag Harbor has another interesting statistic.  I understand California spends
about $4500 a year per student in the state K-12 school system.  This is one
of the highest in the nation, and California likes to brag about its school
system.  Sag Harbor spends $15,000 a year on per student in the elementary and
high schools.  Enough to be sending them to Harvard, I think.

Their dropout rates are the same or worse than Bridgehampton, a heavily black
community just a few miles away that spends about a tenth of that, and the
number of college-entry students is about the same as East Hampton, a genuinely
wealthy community of genuinely wealthy individuals, which doesn't spend that
much on their students, either.  The Sag Harbor School Board is asking for an
increase this year.  Their school budget is more than ten times the budget for
everything else in the town put together.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Maximum Wage
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (JM)
Date: 2 Nov 92 16:05:35 +1030
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: Life is a dashing bold adventure!

In article <1992Oct27.232658.15725@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> 
>     "Today the top 1 percent of America's families controls 28 perent
					    ^^^^^^^^
>     of the nation's wealth and 60 percent of the nation's corporate

> Brandeis would not be cheered by the reality of America in the 90's.   
> Today the top 1 percent of America's families controls 28 perent of  
                                       ^^^^^^^^
> 4,585 millionaire in the US; by 1986, the nuumber had grown to  
> 31,859.  New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis has noted, "The  

More people are living better and you are not happy??
> 

[lots of crap deleted]

> deployed; personal fortunes would nolonger be passed down to  
> perpetuate inbred dynasties of the super-rich. [It's not clear to me  

There you have it people. The real problem. Born rich assholes.
Tax inheritance to the tune of 100% and a large part of the problem
will be solved. It is totally stupid to put a cap on earnings. Why
should I bother to work to get $100,000 when previously my work
earned me $1,000,000? huh? Answer that!

Provide an absolute minimum to all until 18, a free education on whatever
on demand and let the free market do the rest. Eventually we will get
thousands of millionaires, each of them only paying about 30% at most, but
it all goes back to the government when they die. How much fairer than
that can you get? They earned it so let them keep it until they die.

We don't need that socialist government controlled crap. Throw
off the last vestiges of feudalism.
-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
Any email can be posted unless I state explicitly otherwise.
+-----------------------------------------------------+    ________
|  Obligatory disclaimer: UniSA hates my opinions...  |  \/Darwin o\
+-----------------------------------------------------+  /\________/
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. Marquis
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:4158 alt.fan.dan-quayle:6317 alt.feminism:3750 soc.women:18868
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.feminism,soc.women
Subject: Re: ==> Why Vote?
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:14:04 EST
 <1992Nov2.113439.8457@leela.cs.orst.edu><dconway.17.720795429@cs1.uct.ac.za>

"If you don't vote, don't gripe!" -- Joe Paterno
                                        (Introducing President Bush at
                                           his speech at PSU)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: Int'l Union of Electronic Workers on Clinton Victory
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 09:34:53 EST
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov5.065329.11257@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, Nigel Allen <nigel.allen@canrem.com> writes:
|> Here is a press release from the International Union
|> of Electronic Workers.
|> 
|>  Union Leader Calls For 100-Day Action Plan to Help Working Families;
|> Will Urge AFL-CIO to Submit Proposal
|>  To: National Desk, Labor Writers
|>  Contact: Scott Treibitz or Steve Hahn of the International Union
|>           of Electronic Workers, 202-296-1208
|> 
|>    WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 -- William Bywater, president of the 
|> International Union of Electronic Workers (IUE), will urge the
|> AFL-CIO Executive Council tomorrow to submit to President-elect Bill
|> Clinton a 100-day legislative program that will support working
|> people and their families.

And so it begins...


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Let's Create a Newsgroup for Political Debate
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:29:29 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Distribution: alt
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct30.172933.1082@pony.Ingres.COM>, rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>In article <5748@balrog.ctron.com> smith@glinda.ctron.com () writes:
>>Look, why don't we just rename this stupid group to
>>alt.U56503.private.clinton.and.gore.and.screw.the.rest.of.you
>>and set up news newsgroup for political debate? 

>Perhaps these actions are indicative of the degree of respect [lack
>thereof?] that Clinton-Gore representatives have for the citizens of the
>United States?

I think it is more indicative that they would do anything to win,
and so they did.  Some of the states are real close, maybe if Bush
had ignored net.guidelines the election might have gone differently.
In any event, they certainly didn't have much respect for the net
rules against soliciting.  What kills me is: this U56503 account pumped
out so many messages that I'm _still_ receiving them, three _days_
after the election!  It would be one thing if he was posting from
West Mongoose, Australia, but even CompuBucks couldn't keep up?

In any event, I called Compuserve and cancelled my account.  I told
them why, and killed it.  The person who actually took that call seemed
a lot more unnerved about cancelling an account from someone who was
annoyed with their policies (or lack thereof) than the cavalier so-and-so
who told me in email that they felt posting megabytes of press releases
to Internet was quite acceptable, since it was a "political" newsgroup.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: Re: Death penalty and race
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:36:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.235109.8629@mont.cs.missouri.edu> S1MBM%ISUVAX.bitnet@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu writes:
>To the best of my knowledge, David Nichols is correct in saying that Euro-
>Americans have been *sentenced* to death for the killing of African-Americans
>and members of other minorities.  I think that the *fact* of the matter is
>that no such sentence has ever been *carried out*; no Euro-American has been
>executed for slaying a non-Euro-American.
>
>Trying to avoid using barbaric color references,
>Michael McDonald

This may well be true; I don't have data on the actual executions, just
some data on sentencing from three different states. It would be
interesting to know this if anyone has the information.

--
 David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
*******************************************************************************
 Any correlation between my views and those of SPSS is strictly due to chance.

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@sail.stanford.edu (John McCarthy)
Subject: exploitation
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:11:40 GMT

Daewoo has signed up to build a large plant for making 1.6 million
TV picture tubes annually in Hanoi, where workers cost $30 to $50
a month, vs. $1500 a month in South Korea.
 - Fortune, 1992 May 4, p110.

30 years ago progressives were complaining that multi-nationals
were investing in South Korea to take advantage of wages of
$25 to $40 per month and a government that prevented strikes.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: LaRouche is a fucking Nazi!
Summary: Nasism was a form of socialism
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:03:38 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, 	OR, USA

In article <1992Oct28.195121.9455@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com
(Dean Alaska) writes:
>Note that the party of Adolf Hitler was a fascist party that had the
>word "socialist" in its name. 

And correctly so.  Nazism was a form of socialism.  Most or at least many
of the important industries were nationalized under the Nazis.
-- 
orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: QUINCENTENIAL: "We Are Still Here"
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendal.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Nov7.051645.13327@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
 > To "discover" implies that something is lost. Something was lost, and it  
 > was Columbus. Unfortunately, he did not discover himself in the process  
 > of his lostness. He went on to destroy peoples, land, and ecosystems in  
 > his search for material wealth and riches.  


This is such nonsense.  To 'discover' also implies to learn that something
exists.  Was gravity 'lost' until Newton discovered it?

						Andrew MacRae
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: P_news & p.news
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:20:29 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <83005@ut-emx.uucp> wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.191137.12996@mont.cs.missouri.edu> odin@world.std.com (Hank Roth) writes:
>=
>=           "Progressive" News & Views/poetry 
>=                Hank Roth, Facilitator
>=
>=We will explore positions together from a *LEFT PERSPECTIVE* but, 
>=we are not about to fall into any kind of First Amendment trap 
>=that says all views are welcome.  They are not. There are many 
>
>Apparently, "progressives" love the 1st Amendment.....unless they don't like
>what is being expressed.
>
Conservatives are usually so quick to point out (and so quick to forget)
that the 1st amendment only limits government action.
>
>
>-- 
>Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
>wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
>Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
>Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us
>#^%$!! Militarist          |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
>(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------


-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Nicaragua 1984: The Electoral Process (II)
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:12:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Harel writes:

>Nicaragua 1984: The Electoral Process (II)

>    "Generally speaking...the FSLN did little more to take advantage of
>    its incumbency than incumbent parties everywhere (including the
>    United States) routinely do, 

Perhaps Harel's friends were thinking in the Watergate wiretap when they 
thought out this one.

>    and considerably *less* than ruling
>    parties in other Latin American countries traditionally have done.

This doesn't look like a great point of reference from which a positive 
valuation may be attributed.  What really matters is that international 
obervers only accepted the last election as legitimate, and the previous as 
rigged, in spite of Harel & company's claim to the contrary.

>The LASA report concluded that the charge of systematic intimidation
>and harassment of opposition candidates and supporters by Sandinistas
>Defense Committees and gangs, known as turbas, was unfounded. 

How can somebody refer to something "known as turbas" and later claim they 
didn't exist.  Unless, of course Harel does not know the Spanish meaning of 
"turba", well I'll provide you with one Harel: Turba: political mob; goon 
squad.  And then he claims that it was just like in the U.S.!! (I imagine 
democratic clintonista "turbas" in the streets of L.A. disrupting republican 
parties who are sprouting in the early stages of the campaing).  I guess these 
specialists in democracy were simply comparing these "turbas" to other ruling 
parties in Latin America, such as Noriega's Party, and their treatment in 
living color of the vice president elect of Panama.  A neat example of what 
Harel's "turbas" really are.

>The sporadic disruptions that did occur 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^

What disruptions? I though all this was "unfounded".

>took place mainly in the pre- or
            ^^^^^^
>early campaign period, and were not representative of the overall
>character of the campaign.

I get it, there were some disruptions when opposition parties were begining to 
surface and once they werw adequately intimidated in by "turbas" they were left 
alone.  Then if they need to be intimidated again, they were confronted by the 
turbas anew and that explains when the accostment "mainly" happened in the 
"early campaign period" and no "overall".  

So much for Harel's cheap rhetoric and historical revisionism.

Edelmiro
From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T bar-code$/scanner$
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:36:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire



                           THE "MARK OF THE BEA$T"

               ALL Christians are PROHIBITED by Revelation 14:9-11 from 
          cooperating with the "MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T" bar-code, OCR-
          number, and magnetic-strip scanning systems, (as found in 
          local libraries, supermarkets, retail establishments, etc.), 
          which also THREATEN to SUBVERT Individual Privacy and 
          Freedom. 

               The scanners can serve THE SAME CRIMINAL PURPOSE as the 
          TV cameras in the book "1984"! 

               The UPC bar-codes are probably the most blatant form of 
          the "MARK OF THE BEA$T" so far, with the "NUMBER OF THE 
          BEA$T", 666, ALREADY CODED INTO THEM.  Each of the so-called 
          "guard patterns", pairs of thin lines spaced close together 
          at the beginning, middle, and end of each full-length UPC 
          bar-code, is IDENTICAL to one of the two codes for a 6. 

               WARN YOUR FRIENDS!


               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 


                                   Robert E. McElwaine
From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: CLINTON: We won and you were stupendous!
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:09:11 GMT
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

>From article <1992Nov5.065842.11553@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, by Clinton-HQ@campaign92.org (Clinton/Gore '92):
> Volunteers,
> 
> Thank you for all your help, work and support these past 90 days.
> 
> We have for ever changed the way campaigns are run.  We showed that BOTH
> the filters and interpretations of the media AND the organizational
> hierarchies of a campaign can be removed from the delivery of information
> to the citizens and voters.

You have shown that you can trample on the thing known as internet,
distributing your propaganda which you erroneously insist upon touting as
'unbiased' information.  You have succeeded in reducing this particular
forum to another media instrument - congratulations.

We are coming to a point where a distinction must be made between
individuals' ideal exchange and mass propaganda distribution.

Sheer volume of materials produced by special interest groups will
overwhelm and obscure individual effort.  If there is to be a continued
purpose for providing a forum [ internet ] for idea exchange vs a
mass-media instrument, one or the other uses must be suppressed or perhaps
a division made which will allow easy censoring.

The allowance of the budding of this mass-media idealogy will remove the
character of the collection of things known as internet, and this
promising expression of the 'world village' -with it's various types of
minor abuses- will come to an end.

> As you savor the victory we won, reflect that we have come full cirlce
> from the victory of Richard Nixon to the defeat of his protege, George
> Bush.  And all without winning Texas.
> 
> Remember, thought, that this is not a time to gloat, but  a time for
> coming together.  We have not one person to waste, regardless of for whom

All right!  A circle jerk!

> they voted.  All are asked to join our team for the task of changing
> America.
> 
> As one of you pointed out, America ends with "I Can".  Together we will!
> 
> Finally, I thank you for all your support.  We could not have won without
> it.  
> 
> Regards,
> Jock Gill
> 
> [Note: This channel will be closed for a short vacation and relocation.
> The intention is to hold this interruption to as short an interval
> as possible.  Thanks for your patient understanding - J.]]

Oh boy, I can hardly wait.  Just keep your *&$(*&@#$ headers the same.

At least you're starting to slip into the appropriate lingo - 'channels'.

blip. blip. blip.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: samscott@bnr.ca (Sam Scott)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Reply-To: samscott@bnr.ca (Sam Scott)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:59:12 GMT

In article <83330@ut-emx.uucp>, wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester) writes:
|> You plan to kill the President and you broadcast it to the net?!
|> 
|> You had better be joking, friend. Else, you won't have a hope of success.
|> 
|> Either way, you've probably been put on the Secret Service's list of 
|> potential threats and allready have a file on you started by now. You
|> probably would be low priority so you don't have to worry about bugs and
|> survelliance, etc. Small comfort.
|> 
|> 
|> 

Of course he's joking, you idiot.  Ever heard of Alexander Swift?
From: mcgredo@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: INFO - Trilateral Commission Members (Prodigy Repost)
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:45:45 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

In article <8NOV199213291005@trentu.ca> dhall@trentu.ca (Derek Hall) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.035603.19209@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes...
>> 
>>What exactly is the Trilateral Commission??
>> 
>>Both President Bush and President-elect Bill Clinton appear on the member
>>list.
>
>You might want to check out a book by Stephen Gill, _American Hegemony and 
>the Trilateral Commission_ -- it's an excellent work and a good 
>introduction to the Commission.

It's named the trilateral commission for the three regional bases
it is devoted to studying/improving the relations of: the US, Europe,
and Japan.  It includes a lot of major figures.  For this reason it
is a popular target of crackpot consipiracy theories.  The fact that
it includes most former US presidents and secretaries of state indicates
that it's not devoted to taking controversial stands on much of anything.

-- 
Don McGregor             | "I..I blame society.  Society made me  
mcgredo@prism.cs.orst.edu|  what I am."