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From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:46:51 CDT
Subject: Re: SYS.7.1 &RADIUS MATH

In article <725551214.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>,
Dennis.Dimick@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Dimick) writes...
>We'll see how it works out. I'll get back to you. Thanks!

I'm still running 7.0.1 on my IIci, and am desperate for any math power I can 
get, and short of the bucks necessary for an upgrade to a Quadra, I am
willing to go to almost any length.  Will this extension do me any good?
Are there any other suggestions out there for what I can do to squeeze
integer and/or floating performance from my machine?  

-Scott 
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				 been a single cell so long ago myself that I 
				 have no memory at all of that stage of my 
				 life." - Lewis Thomas


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From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: SYS.7.1 &RADIUS MATH
Date: 30 Dec 1992 11:00 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: A/ROSE should become a FAQ
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:17:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

>>:I came across a file called "A/ROSE" in the system 7.1 folder.
>>:What does this file do??
>>
>>The A/ROSE file is Apple's Realtime Operating System Extension (or 
>>Executive) and as best I can figure, slows my system (Q950 8/230) to
>>a crawl.  I don't know what software requires it, but I removed A/ROSE
>>and the machine runs fine (and much faster).
>>
>>Just my two bits.
>>
>>Charley Bratton
>>Microspace R&D
>>cbratton@rock.concert.net
> 
> FAQ! This has officially become a FAQ, I would say!
> 
> I mean, I know the answer now, and I don't even _use_ A/ROSE!
> 
> Jay (=

    This is in the list of FAQ's that will be added to version 2.0 of the FAQ 
list, currently under construction.  Version 2.0 will be at least three 
separate files for the three separate newsgroups (with a couple of common 
sections).  Version 1.x has reached the limits of size for a lot of newsreaders
and news readers and I'm trying to avoid adding any more questions to it.

Elliotte Rusty Harold		Department of Mathematics
elharo@m.njit.edu		New Jersey Institute of Technology
erh0362@tesla.njit.edu		Newark, NJ 07102
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Applications will not launch properly
Organization: SPS
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:35:18 GMT

to5232@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
: I have a friend that is having problems with his MAC.  It seems that any Word,
: Excel, Hypercard, etc. documents that are in a higher folder level than the
: respective application fails to launch the application.  Giving an error like
: "Unable to find the application that created the the document"  Documents at
: lower folder levels launch the application.  He also has noticed that all of
: the documents just have "Document" listed as the file type and not "Microsoft
: Word document" or "Microsoft Excel".  He has tried everything short of
: re-formatting the hard disk and re-installing all of the applications.  He has
: tried rebuilding the desktop, Norton Utilities Disk Doctor, re-installing the
: system software and optimizing the disk.
: 
: Any suggestions?

Rebuild the desktop.  Just hold down command and option keys while rebooting.

Greg.
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From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: IIcx: soldered vs socketed cpus
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:41:17 GMT

In article <ABERDEEN.93Jan5093029@fatima.linus.mitre.org> aberdeen@linus.mitre.org (John Stuart Aberdeen) writes:
>
>A simple question: what steps must I take to determine whether the cpu
>on my IIcx is soldered or socketed?
>
>John Aberdeen
>The MITRE Corporation
>
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>me, that is to say which are mine, are mine.
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From: seanhe@cmgroup.engr.wisc.edu (Sean He)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Difference in 7.0, 7.0.1, 7.1
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:38:26 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Originator: seanhe@cmgroup.engr.wisc.edu

In article <92364.155627G95HC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <G95HC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I just tried to download system 7 from apple's FTP site...however I could not
>determine which one should download.  Exactly what are the differences between
>7.0 and 7.0.1?  And what is this 7.0 Tuneup file?  What purpose does it serve?
>Also I see that the newest version of Macintosh is missing?  Where could I ob-
>tain a copy of system 7.1?  I heard that you have to pay for it even if you
>already have 7.0?  What gives?  I thought Apple had a history of not charging
>for minor, bug-fixing upgrades?  Is it worth the money?  Please reply via
>e-mail.  Thank you.

I would like to know the difference between 7.0 and 7.0.1. I would like to
put one of them on my Classic. Please reply via e-mail. Thank you very
much.


Sean
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From: hyerstay@cybermac.sadye.emba.uvm.edu (Jason Hyerstay)
Organization: Adrenaline Online, (802) 425-2332, a FirstClass system
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 07:48:46 EST
Subject: Re: Grayshare

> Has anyone got any info on whether Apple's rumoured 'Grayshare' will allow
> networking of all serial printers, eg. StyleWriters, Personal LS, etc?

> Also, will it be free or is this another 'pay to play' extension?

I have a system extension on my BBS that lets a StyleWriter be shared over a
network via file sharing a print spooler folder. Its called AppleTalk
StyleWriter and is probably also availible on sumex, etc.

- jason
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From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: What is Maelstrom 1.03 game doing while loading?
X-Xxdate: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23: 50:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:53:19 GMT

In article <01062012.n9s1n1@inter.interzone.ch> Marc Liyanage,
chip@inter.interzone.ch writes:
>Is there a programm
>that will let me check wich files are opened by the game?

Break into MacsBug and type 'file'.  If it gives an error install
a decent Debugger Prefs file.

But, as the others have said, it wont tell you anything interesting
in this case.

Share and Enjoy.

Quinn "The Eskimo!"      <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>     "Support HAVOC!"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
From: jjp8508@chensun1.tamu.edu (Jeffrey J Polasek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Need help with Lab setup
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:52:48 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Chemical Engineering
Distribution: world
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Hi,
We are adding macintosh file sharing services(3.01) to our Novell
server (3.11).  This is in a student departmental lab (apprx 500
accts on the server). we have macs running both system 6.0.8 and 7.0 1.
There will be many students using the same macs. so each mac can not
be individualized for a single user.

I am looking for ways to set up the Macintoshes so when a person turns
on the mac, it will:

1. prompt them for a username and password without the user manually using
   the chooser. and log them in without letting them pick which volumes
   to mount or the save name/password options.

2. i would like to have the users personal directory mounted on the desktop
   rather than making the user go to it themselves.  Is there a way to have
   the alias function or Novell itself do this??

or if you have any other ideas on a way to setup macs for this type of
enviorment, let me know!! all ideas (well within reason) appreciated :-)

well this is enough for now...  please respond either to me directly
(jjp8508@chennov1.tamu.edu) or to this list.

Thanks in advance!!
_jeff (Loon)
From: RTL@siva.bris.ac.uk (Richard Lim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Icons go generic
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:03:24 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation

If rebuilding the desktop leaves you with generic icons, make sure that
all your bundle bits for that file creator family are set correctly.  I 
don't just mean that the application or INIT or whichever file actually 
contains the icons should have its bundle bit set, I mean also that no other
files with the same creator type should have their bundle bits set, or else
the Finder may try (unsuccessfully) to extract icon information from them,
giving you generic icons.
As an example I once had generic icons for most of the files in my System
Folder, and rebuilding the desktop didn't cure this.  It turned out that
a file supplied with Farallon Liaison, a network bridging package, had the
same creator as the System (MACS), had its bundle bit erroneously set and
preceded the System alphabetically.  Result: the Finder looked in this file
for icons, found none and thought, "Oh well, better give all MACS files 
generic icons".  Unsetting the bundle bit of the offending file restored all
my icons
From: idowell@BBN.COM ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Mac Hesitations
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:29:32 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: idowell@BBN.COM ()
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My Mac (Iicx) has started hesitating frequently.  Even during file
transfers and games it will, every 5 seconds or so, stop what it is
doing and wait for an event (keyclick, mouse click, etc.) before
continuing.  Needless to say this is really annoying.  Has anyone
encountered this?  INIT conflict? Virus? ???

Thanks,
Ian Dowell
idowell@bbn.com

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From: kent@lloyd.Camex.COM (Kent Borg)
Subject: Re: Maximum Fonts in the Fonts Folder in 7.1
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 14:25:08 EST

In article <1993Jan8.150654.18541@utkux1.utk.edu> danny@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Danny William McCampbell) writes:
>What is the max amount of fonts allowed in the Fonts folder in Sys 7.1?
>I found out the hard way that only 128 are allowed.  Why?  I had over
>300 fonts in the System file under 7.0.1.  Any info would be greatly
>appreciated.

You are almost right.  The maximum number of bitmap *files* that will
be opened in the font folder is 128, but the individual files can
contain multiple fonts.  Do some consolidation.  (Warning: don't put
too many fonts in a single file or it will break.  Be reasonable, only
a hundred-or-so.)

--
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                                            H:(617) 776-6899  W:(617) 426-3577
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From: Simon_Kok@mindlink.bc.ca (Simon Kok)
Subject: Re: Imagewriter II printing in background
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:15:00 GMT

The current version of SuperLaserSpool (version 3.0) works fine under System
7.0.1 and seems to do the same under System 7.1.


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From: Eric Goodman <ericg@hum.ucsc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 Bug, PB 180 Bug or Bad HD?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:11:20 GMT
Organization: UC Santa Cruz
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I said:
>I've got a PowerBook 180 4/120 (Finally!) and am having an annoying if
>not fatal problem with the hard drive. I repartitioned the hard drive to
>reclaim the hidden space, then re-installed Sys 7.1 from the installer
>disks, in case that's important. The problem is that whenever I have a
>crash that requires a restart the internal drive is corrupted.
>

I posted the apparent solution to the problem under the subject 
"Formatting PB Drives (Important Note)". 
Summary: re-format with sleep and processor cycling turned off.

Eric Goodman
Humanities Computing
UC Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, CA 95064
ericg@hum.ucsc.edu
ericg@ucschu.BITNET
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From: Daniel_S._Hughes@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom - Washington DC
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:59:36  EST    
Subject: Re: Insufficient Memory messge

Do a Command-I on the application icon. Increase the memory allocation for that
particular program and it shold solve your problems.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC
From: howarth@med.uth.tmc.edu (Jack W. Howarth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 and SE30
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:51:01 GMT

sandy@beeker.cs.umass.edu (Sandy Wise) writes:

>In article <1ispslINN322@hp-col.col.hp.com> dana@col.hp.com (Dana Johnsonx2136) writes:
>   The memory article in the latest MacUser implied that Mode32 is not needed
>   on an se30 with 7.1.  Is this true?  Has it been incorporated into the
>   system software?

>It is included in 7.1 as a system enabler.  I believe it is a new
>Apple implementation instead of being the Connectix one.
>        /s
>--
>Alexander Erskine Wise /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Software Development Laboratory
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ WISE@CS.UMASS.EDU /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>\/\/\ This situation calls for large amounts of unadulterated CHOCOLATE! /\/\/\  Wrong. The System enabler version of MODE32 is no where to be seen and Apple
has no release date other than Real Soon Now. Despite what you read MODE32 will
work with 7.1 except apparently for some Mac II's which may need the Nubus cards
moved around. It is an all or none situation if you can get it boot it will 
work. Also, I think Virtual 3.0 would be even more compatible with MODE32
and 7.1 as Connectix wrote both MODE32 and Virtual 3.0 which replaces Apple's
VM. Virtual 3.0 is faster and also allows you to use just the disk space
needed for the added VM not the total VM like Apple's VM does. That is 16 meg
of VM an 8 meg SE/30 requires only 8 meg of HD space.
                Jack

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From: rsch2867@cl2.cl.uh.edu (Brownfield, George/RICHERT, NO)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: "Can not rebuild desktop" error
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:09 CST
Organization: University of Houston - Clear Lake
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Several of the Macs at the place I used to work at will not allow
rebuilding of the desktop.  When you hold down the key combination,
you get the dialog asking if you want the desktop rebuilt.  If you
answer OK, it starts to do so, then stops with the above error, and
restarts the system.
I have been letting this problem go, as all of the machines have been
working OK (i.e., If it ain't broke, don't fix it).  However, after
optimizing one hard drive, several of the programs don't work, as they
can not find files they need in the desktop that the optimizer couldn't
rebuild.
All machines are running System 6.0.x, where 5<= x <= 7.  Most are
Mac IIcx or si models, with a couple of SE/HD's and one II.  Any
explanation/trial solutions most appreciated.  Any sourcebooks that can
aid a technoflunkie on this type of administration work that can be
recomended also appreciated.
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George A. Brownfield aka rsch2867@cl.uh.edu           Mathematicians
Math Undergrad @ Univ. of Houston-Clear Lake          Against
Techno-flunkie at large                               Drunk
If you drink, DON'T Derive!                           Deriving
From: howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Icons Go Generic
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: howie@intermec.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett, Wa.

I am having a problem with icons turning back to "generic" application icons
on my new mac IIvx running system 7.1.  It seems that my Quicken 3.0 icons
will consistenly turn generic.  I've re-installed Quicken many times any they
always change eventually (usually within a few hours).  One time last night I
re-started with all extensions off and they returned to normal.  I restarted
with extensions on and they were gone again.  Tired rebuilding the desktop
several times with no success.  I also started turning off inits one by one
using init manger until the only init running was init manger with no
success.  Needless to say this took a lot of time.  The other funny thing is
the original locked disk shows generic icons also when this happens.  I
restarted one last time be for giving up last evening with extensions off and
the icons stayed generic!

Help!

Howard Kaplan
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:15885 comp.sys.mac.misc:21486
From: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Superclock Battery indicator indicates wrong?!?!?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:46:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I am experiencing a really frustrating problem. Superclock, which I
couldn't live without, includes a handy battery indicator when it is running
on a powerbook.

Unfortunately, at least on my duo and my wife's, it indicates wrong.
It will rarely get below 3/4's full by the time the battery DA indicates
almost empty, and I start getting battery related dialogues.

Has anyone else seen this problem?  It didn't occur (as far as I can recall)
on my 100.

BTW I am running superclock v3.9 and a pile of other extensions/cp's.

Josh Hodas
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From: arie@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:43:24 CDT
Subject: Re: Intermitten Disk Error

>>>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:04:02 GMT, wiseb@fomalhaut.cs.rpi.edu (Bowden
Wise) said:
| Nntp-Posting-Host: fomalhaut.cs.rpi.edu

| I have a MAC SE with two 800K internal floppies and an exteran Emac
| 40MB hard drive.  I am using Sytem 7 and have applied the TuneUp disk.

| I keep getting the following error message when I try to run the
| VersaTerm PRO application:

|   Application quit due to unexpected disk error 15

| I keep clicking on the icon for VersaTerm until it eventually
| launches.  Sometimes I must do this 15-20 times.  Does anyone have any
| idea what is wrong here?

| If possible reply by email, as I am not reading this group regularly.
| Thanks.
| --
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
| - Bowden Wise
|   Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180
|   internet: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu

Intermitten disk errors usually (but not definitely) point out to
termination problems. I would check the termination on the SCSI
chain.
--


Arie.

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From: arie@eecs.umich.edu (Arie Covrigaru)
Subject: Re: Intermitten Disk Error
GMT
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Organization: AI Lab, The University of Michigan
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:03:06 GMT
From: nerm@apple.com (Dean Yu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System Enablers, What Are They?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:35:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan12.152840.27057@tdb.uu.se>, bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats
Bredell) wrote:
>
> Starting with system 7.1, Apple will not make a new system version for every
> new Macintosh model. Instead, they all use the same system version, and the
> new models add an extension called a system enabler. The problem is that the
> installation disks now have to be different. There's a separate install boot
> disk for the IIvi/IIvx, one for PB 160/180, one for PB Duo 210/230, and one
> for all the rest.
> 
> I'm not sure on this, but I think a system enabler can do bad things if it's
> used on the wrong model. This is probably the reason why an install for all
> macs doesn't install all the enablers.
> 

  A system enabler is only active on the machine(s) it was designed for. 
It's totally harmless on other machines.  It is possible to make a boot
disk that contains enablers for several machines.  Provided of course,
there's enough space on the disk...

> In the future, Apple will also distribute enablers that extend the system.
> The new AppleScript, QuickDraw GX and electronic mail will probably all
> be system enablers.

  Actually, we probably won't.  The enabler mechanism was intended to make
new machines work...

-- Dean Yu
   Blue Meanie, Negative Ethnic Role Model, etc.
   Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: delac@midas.mgmt.purdue.edu (Chas. DeLa)
Subject: Rebuilding desktop ?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:18:15 GMT
Organization: Krannert School of Management
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

There's a key press sequence under System 7 that allows you to rebuild the
desktop without rebooting first.  Can anyone tell me what it is?

Chas.

Chas. DeLa                       Internet:  delac@midas.mgmt.purdue.edu
Krannert Computer Center           BITNET:  delac@purccvm
Purdue University                   Phone:  (317) 494-9564
West Lafayette, Indiana  47907
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ariely@cs.unc.edu
Subject: Userland frontier
Reply-To: ariely@cs.unc.edu
Organization: Psychology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:07:55 GMT

 Hi
Can anyone tell me what they think of 
Userland Frontier????
Is it possible to make good macros with it?
I am disable and want to save work and movement
is this my best option?
Please send me e mail if possible
Thanks
Dan
Ariely@cs.unc.edu
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