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Subject: Re: world
From: thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:44:42 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.

>Laurence

I read some of his postings and I think it is definitely related to this
newgroup.  I have different opinion regarding to his FIBO. It's good to
have a R&D centre in our country. It is also good to encourage engineers
to go back to work for our country. But Is it possible to distribute this
benefits to rural area? I found that many of my engineering students don't
deserve themselve for the country. The only think that most fresh graduates
care is Money. Many ignore the poors and other things. I was in Khon Kaen
on 23 Feb 1991, I found that most students didn't care about the Military
coup. They still prepared for the exam or reading stories.
Khun Schitt should find the statistic that how many graduate are working for the
government. How many of them read  Newspaper (I'm not joking, many don't
read newspaper) every day?  Are they willing to receive lower pay, if they
have to work for the government? 

BTW: Khun Laurence, you can post your thesis into this newsgroup.
I will read it, but I probably might not understand very well.
Are you sure that your thesis is in a computer file? Probably, you have
to type everythings again (Oh! don't forget to sent it in a postscript file,
so we can have the figures of your thesis all included in the file).

Thanks in advance

Thnachart Numnonda
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Summary: Promoting R&D in Materials Technology-Based Industry
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:52:38 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


            Promoting R&D in Materials Technology-Based Industry
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Summary

    As known by most people, R&D capability in Science and Technology in
Thailand is still weak.  In this series of my posting, I will reveal the
current situation of R&D in materials technology-based technology and
its promotion plan. The content is as follow:

    		1. Introduction    
    		2. Public R&D Expenditure
    		3. Upgrading R&D Capability
    		4. Incentive for Private Sector R&D

        			4.1 External Influences
        			4.2 Internal Factors

    I hope that this information helps netters understand the status of
our S&TD and our effort to improve the situation.

    Please e-mail your complaints & flames to me directly,if my posts
really bother you.  Further discussions , on the net which are pertinent
to the issue are highly appreciated and encouraged.  Your comments will
be compiled and fed back to people who are responsible for our S&TD.

With Great Respect,
Schitt  Laowattana

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he Government is us;we are the government, you and I.
                           
                                         				Theodore Roosevelt, 1902
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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Is Thailand All Politics?
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:28:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw75r1.Mo7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

v054nh3r@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (William Chantaduly) writes:

>>I am a student at Penn State University, and I just happened to find this
>>............ stuff deleted.................
>>and maybe a little pleasant.  I would like to hear from anyone who is
>>interested in some of the more finer things of Thailand (religion, art,
>>music, festivals, holidays).  --Liz Rumsey, University Park


>I definitely agree with what is being said here.  I read this newsgroup
>whenever I can and all I see are discussions on poloitics.  I am a student at
>the University of Buffalo and I would also like to here about other topics
>concerning Thai aspects.  I was born in Thailand and would like to learn more
>about it.  
>                                             William Chantaduly
>                                             (V054NH3R@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU)

Khun Liz and Khun William,
	I believe many of us who know something "fine" about Thailand other
than politics would be more than happy to post such things. But given the 
fact that such "fine" things are tremendous, would it be good idea if those
like you who want to know about them to bring up your specific questions
so that those who are (or think they are) informed about them could provide
possible answers. 

Regards,
Samart Srijumnong
Champaign, Illinois
October 15, 1992

h
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mekarp@dwalin.ECE.ORST.EDU (Parinda Mekara)
Subject: Test of Oregon St. U.
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:05:32 GMT


Hi, 

This is a test from me, Parinda Mekara....:)

Thank you

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e-mail address:  mekarp@ece.orst.edu
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: world
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:31:00 GMT

Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.

Laurence
From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Let's stop the flame war.
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:43:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

> From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
> Subject: Please be patient.
> Message-ID: <1992Oct8.181806.17542@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
> Date: 8 Oct 92 23:18:05 GMT
> Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
> Lines: 11
>
> I do not know who you are. One thing I know is that you were going too far.
> Your behavior is very rude. It is not correct that if you do not
> like someone or disagree with someone and then you act like what
> you have done. The more you response to the rudeness with rudeness,
> the more misunderstanding and the worse the problem is.
>
> Please be reasonable and patient. If you can not be optimistic,
> try ignoring. At least, your action did not make any good impression.
> It just show how primitive we are, both mind and intelligence.
>
> Sunchai Nilsuwankosit

	I normally don't post to any newsgroup, but this time I will have
to make an exception.  I agree with Khun Sunchai that the person who directed
that message to Khun Laurence has gone too far.  I have been reading this 
newsgroup ever since it's conception and have gotten a lot out of it, from 
topics in politics, prostitution, language, history, culture, etc. to
"racism" and "discrimination."  The extremely low volume of flaming on this
newsgroup has made it one of the most informative newsgroup that I have
ever read.  I have kept my patience when Khun Laurence said what he said in 
his postings to this newsgroup.  Though I don't agree with a lot of what
Khun Laurence had written, but it is his right to state his opinion.  However,
I must say that Khun Laurence himself has, to an extent, acted unreasonable
to the flaming directed at him.  In response to what Khun Sripen had written
a couple of days back...why would you want to exclude "farangs" from this
newsgroup?  Being the open-minded person that I am, I would like to continue
to see "farangs" contribute to this newsgroup.  They may have ideas that
could be of use to us Thais.  I know a lot of "farangs" who are interested
in Thailand, but our behavior lately on this newsgroup certainly leaves a
very bad after-taste.  I'm very taken back by the volume of flaming that
has been going on!  As a Thai, I'm ashamed that some of my fellow countrymen
has displayed such rude and obnoxious behavior on a forum that is being
distributed worldwide.

	Let us not continue with this trend.  It will only waste bandwidth.  
I thought we Thais are suppose to be diplomatic people...otherwise how else 
did our country managed to be the only country in S.E. Asia not colonized 
by any Western countries?  We are all responsible, reasonable, and mature 
adults aren't we?  Peace.


Sincerely,
Lisa Taikitsadaporn

(opinions stated above are mine alone)
From: wila@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Wilasinee Chunbomrung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: UCLA THAI SMAKOM ORIENTATION NIGHT
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:00 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


	          **UCLA THAI SMAKOM**

                   ORIENTATION NIGHT

              SUNSET RECREATIONAL CENTER

                  BUENOS AIRES ROOM

             FRIDAY, OCT. 9th, 7-10:00pm

       		      POTLUCK


Come and join us for a festive and cultural evening at the quarterly
UCLA Thai orientation night.  Come and meet some friendly Thai and
non-Thai students.  It's also a potluck, so you can show off your
culinary skills while enjoying some great home-cooked Thai food by the
other members.   This is your chance to learn and practice Thai!

This is also UCLA Thai Smakom's 10th Year Anniversary, so come be a
part of the special occasion.  If you are our alumni or know of an
alumni, please contact Wila at (310) 206-6864.

HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE!!!

~
-- 
------------
Wilasinee Chunbomrung                                  wila@seas.ucla.edu
UCLA--School of Engineering & Applied Science          work (310) 206-6864
SEASnet Computing Facilities                           2567 Boelter Hall
From: meechan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Korbkiat Meechan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Please be patient.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:16:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

From uwm.edu!rpi!gatech!rutgers!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!nilsuwan Fri Oct  9 15:03:55 CDT 1992
Article: 3766 of soc.culture.thai
From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Please be patient.
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:18:05 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

>I do not know who you are. One thing I know is that you were going too far.
>Your behavior is very rude. It is not correct that if you do not
>like someone or disagree with someone and then you act like what
>you have done. The more you response to the rudeness with rudeness,
>the more misunderstanding and the worse the problem is.


>Sunchai Nilsuwankosit

    
     I agree with khun Sunchai that you(who ever you are) shouldn't do that.
I know that there are many people in the net who have bad feeling on Mr. L
's postings, but being rude this way seems to create more problems in the net.

    
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  If you think your life is stink, then look at Al Bundy's life.      ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  From. Kobkiat Meechan           | Mechanical Engineering            ~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Mailing List
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:12:40 GMT


Greetings to all:

Lately I've seen many articles mentioning about a sort of mailing list. 
I've been in this newsgroup for quite a while but don't know what we're
talking about here.  If this mailing list is for anybody, I'd like to be
part of it too.

Regards.

Thian
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: S and T in Thailand
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:14:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <16OCT199218530949@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes...
> 
>As far as I can tell, the original posting from me containing the 3 letters
>concerned with my dispute with cmu, has vanished from the network.  If
>I'm correctr, does anyone know why or who removed it?  Perhaps I just
>cannot find it.
> 
>Laurence
> 

Stupid of me - I have found the original posting under the same heading
as this posting, not under money,money money.  Sorry abiut that, my fault.

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: matty@cs.vu.nl (Matty Huntjens)
Subject: Question: income tax in Thailand
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:56:36 GMT


An acquaintance of mine, with no access to this news group, has been offered a 
job as a programmer in Bangkok. He wonders how much tax a foreigner in Thailand
has to pay over his income. Could anyone answer that question? Thanks. 

I will forward any answers to him, or answers can be mailed directly to 
rbo@dasc.nl (Robert Bos).
							Matty
							(matty@cs.vu.nl)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mtsjej@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (cat_walker)
Subject: internet access from Thailand
Summary: internet access from Thailand
Keywords: internet access from Thailand
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:52:23 GMT

hi....a friend of mine is going back to Thailand and she would
like to know how she would be able to gain internet access to keep
in touch with me....do any universities there have public accounts
that she can use....thanks for any help!!!!!!


                                                    -- jeff
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Money Money Money
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <8erNZ=200iV3M2nkly@andrew.cmu.edu>, sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)  writes...
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.thai: 26-Aug-92 RE: Honorable
>Attitude? (wa.. by emaruchi@meena.cc.uregin
> 
>> To help Thailand, it doesn't mean that we must go back home and work in
>> Thailand.  ...............[Text deleted]...............................  
>> Besides, going back home means we have to occupy job
>> positions, giving less chance for other Thais to find their jobs.  So it
>> depends.
>    
> 
I, and several other farang scientists I know, would be more than willing
to take a cut in salary of a factor of 5 ormore and return to Thailand
to teach science in universities, if we could be guaranteed fair treatment
and no problems of the sort I experienced at cmu (see previous mailing).
I (and other farang) take the attitude that the nicer aspects of life in
Thailand more than compensate for the loss of salary.

Laurence
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> 
> Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
> boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
> Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.
> 
> Laurence
> 

Well, even though I did not read all Schitt's postings.  I do not share the
same feeling you have felt.  (of course, you are entitled to think and
express your opinion freely).  May be you should post your PhD thesis if
that is what your little heart desires.

Khun Schitt krub, is there any statistics on Thai students who have gone
home after their completion of thier studies aboard.  Statistic sited by one
recent post seems a little too high (% of Thais who stay in the US).  From
my years (10+) that I have been here I would say that it is less than 5%.
How about those who were on government agencies' scholarships?  I hope that
it is *almost* 100% of those who completed have gone home.

owen,
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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: a story from Thailand
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:25:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1


I post a story from Chiang Mai which is a few years out of date now.

There was once an official at the Chiang Mai immigration office who
saw his job as a licence to make life as difficult as possible for
farang.  He wasn't doing it for the bribes, but just because he loathed
them.  Every long-term farang in Chaing mai was afraid of him, because
if he chose to do so he could refuse to extend their visas, and that 
could perhaps ruin their marriage, cut off their income, mean that they
had to uproot themselves and find another country, perhaps even destroy
their lives.

One day there came an American woman to Chiang Mai, and from the start
this official took a strong dislike to her.  She stayed in Chiang Mai
for several years, and whenever she had to interact with this man he
was as awkward as he could be.  On the last occassion she extended her
visa it was just before her marriage to a member of the Thai royal
family (just a minor one, apparently, but with a lot of influence).  This
time the official granted the extension, but instead of returning her
passport, he threw iacross the floor of the Immigration Office.  She
was real mad, but she couldn't do anything.

A few days later she got married, and at the wedding reception in bangkok she
met an important Thai government official.  She didn't complain to him
about the immigration officer, but she just let it drop in conversation.
A week later the officer vanished - he had been transferred to Fang (a
rather remote small town in the far North of Thailand) permanently, and
soon had to move his family away from their house to live in Fang, leaving
their family, friends and whole way of life behind in Chiang mai..

This is a true story and as far as I know the official is still in Fang.
Nowadays the immigration officers in Chiang Mai are quite helpful, and
passports are invariably handed back very gently.

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Godfree's World
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: stupidity, anger, annoyed
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:15:00 GMT

In article <70873@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens C writes...
>In article <92285.210544U25256@uicvm.uic.edu> U25256@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> 
>One final note.  You must be really proud of these posts since you are
>so willing to put your "real" name on them.  I have by chance written to
>someone who knows you, and you have embarrassed this person.
> 
>John Cronin


That's interesting?  You know that the poster is Thai in that case, I rather
thought he wasn't.  I am assuming a he due to the nature of the obscenities,
but it is sometimes difficult to be sure about these things.

I'm going to be quite frank with you now, and say the following:

1.  I have been to Thailand 10 times, on one occasion for a year when I
worked there.  To do that I had to give up my career in the west.  I
know the Thais well and I know what sort of criticism they can and can't
take.  I have always been careful to avoid the latter in my posts (royal
family for example).

2.  Irrespective of how it might seem to you, my motives in all my postings
are good ones.  I love the Thais, their country and their culture, but 
I still have criticisms and it is a farang's job to air these, as it is
not in the Thai nature to do so publicly.

3.  The effect of my irritating postings has been to remove the obstacles to
discussion for many of the readers of this group.  It is very evident indeed 
from the emails I have received.  The fact that it is not in the Thais' nature
to talk about these sort of things publicly does not mean that they
don't want to do so.  In addition, by jumping on Sripen's original posting
about farangs in the way that I did, I enabled her to say what she really
felt about them, and in doing so opened up a subject which Thais normally
only discuss amongst themselves.

4.  Lastly, I am working from home when I read and post to usenet (that
is a converted bathroom in London, England), as I am presently teaching
only and have no access to suitable machines at work.  I have kept my
accounts at various labs as a concession.  That means I pay for the
privilege of using usenet, and it costs quite a bit, so I don't use
it lightly.

Laurence
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Amnesty decree rejected 
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:11:39 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University


kamol@ipied.tu.ac.reports:

>PALANG Dharma MP from Nakhon Si Thammarat Sutham Saengprathum          
>said the Amnesty Decree rejected by Parliament yesterday was           
>intended to protect people who had "over-reacted" and used force       
>to break up peaceful demonstrations.            
>  
>He said the May bloodshed could not be forgotten until something  
>is done about those who should be held accountable for the
>killing. 
>  
>"We cannot just forget," he said, adding that a precedent must be      
>set so that in the future, "anyone who tries to abuse power will       
>pay the consequences."  

At last we hear good and just common sense.

Abi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Re: On salary of S&T Manpower
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:31:40 GMT

In article <13OCT199212223544@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.164252.14940@usl.edu>, pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)      writes...
>>>
>>>-----
>>Today, government try to push the university to increase the supply of
>>engineer due to the current shortage. This lead to a lot of problem

>This sort of problem is by no means confined to thailand.  In my own country,
>the appalling Conservative government was been systematically undermining the
>university education system (schools too) since it came to power in 1980.
>They too identified areas in which they would like to have more graduates,
>and tried to get them on the cheap by lowering the standards and cutting
>the resources of the universities (in real terms) with the result that
>the British degree itself has been seriouysly eroded in value.  recently,...

Lowering the standard in education is a kind of suicide. In today world
of economic war, S&T is one of the greatest contribution to compettitiveness 
of any country.  

>
>While I hesitate to say anything complimentary about Germany, it is worth
>pointing out here that the word "engineer" is actually a legally protected
>word there, and no-one can call him/herself an engineer unless he holds
>a degree specificaly approved by the ONE institute in Germany that 
>oversees the quality of engineers.  This is the same as is done in the
>UK for medical doctors, and is clearly an excellent idea.  It could not
>now be done in the UK for engineers, as it would conflict with government
>policy.
>
>Laurence
>
I don't understand why this will conflict with the government policy. Please
give me some more elaborate on this point. In Thailand, we have a government
organization that oversees the quality of engineer, medical and architect.
Every qualify engineer must be cirtified by this institute. If you do not 
pass, you can not work in some serious kind of engineering job.

Putchong Uthayopas


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