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From: pk@cs.tut.fi (Kellom{ki Pertti)
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
Subject: Re: Uusi (meta)filesysteemi Partition-On-FAT-Partition..
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:09:32
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: sfnet
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In-reply-to: inkari@snakemail.hut.fi's message of 25 Jan 93 21:16:42 GMT

>>>>> On 25 Jan 93 21:16:42 GMT, inkari@snakemail.hut.fi (Juha Inkari) said:
Juha> Jos j{tet{{n DOS (ja Linux) pois kokonaan ja tehd{{n oma
Juha> "k{yttis" joka lataa muistiin X serverin. T{m{n voisi laittaa vaikka
Juha> yhdelle korpulle. My|s levytilaa s{{styisi ja X serverille j{isi
Juha> enemm{n vapaata muistitilaa.

X-serveri haluaa k{yttikselt{{n kaikenlaisia palveluja (ainakin
soketteja ja varmaan jonkinlaista mmap():ia, laiteajureita jne.),
joten voi olla ett{ tuloksena olisi joka tapauksessa linux-kerneli{
vastaava m|tti. Pointtina kai t{ss{ on, ett{ X todistettavasti toimii
linuxin p{{ll{, joten kaikkea ei tarvitse kirjoittaa taas kerran
alusta l{htien.

Ei tuo toki mahdoton ajatus, eik{ varmaan huonokaan. Eik|s
Sun-3-koneille ole samantapainen viritys, joilla niist{ tehd{{n
X-p{{tteit{? 
--
Pertti Kellom\"aki (TeX format)  #       These opinions are mine, 
  Tampere Univ. of TeXnology     #              ALL MINE !
      Software Systems Lab       #  (but go ahead and use them, if you like)


Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: seppoi@jytko.jyu.fi (Seppo Ihalainen)
Subject: Re: Uusi (meta)filesysteemi Partition-On-FAT-Partition..
Originator: seppoi@jytko.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:04:09 GMT

In article <INKARI.93Jan23234433@lk-hp-1.hut.fi> inkari@snakemail.hut.fi (Juha Inkari) writes:


>> Varsinaisesti halutaan tehd{ X-p{{teymp{rist| linuxia k{ytt{en koneeseen,
>> mutta kun se ei ole aina mahdollista perustavalla...

> Miksei osteta valmis X serveri joka py|rii DOS:in alla, n{it{h{n on
> useitakin vaihtoehtoja. Tai jos pit{{ olla PD niin tehd{{n sellainen,
> luulisi olevan helpompaa kuin em. suunnitelman toteuttaminen (;

Ehkp syy on tllinen: Olemassa olevat X-serverit eivt toimi
riittvn hyvin.  ( En ole tutustunut ehk kaikkiin mutta suurimmasta
osasta minulla on kokemuksia vuosien ajalta. )

Syy huonosti toimimiseen on mt alusta nill softilla ( DOS tai windows )
windows pohjaiset ovat mys tosi hitaita. 

Samalla koneella kokeiltaessa Windows pohjainen softa on ollut 3-10
kertaan hitaampi kuin unix pohjainen ja toiminnaltaa huonompi.  (
kaikki ominaisuudet ei toimi ) Windows pohjaisissa X11 ohjelmissa on
mys todella suuria nopeuseroja eri ohjelmien vlill. 2 nopeinta on
ollut Xvision ja HCLexceed ja nidenkin kahden vlinen ero on
huomattava.

Itsellni on ollut tekeill Jrjestely jossa pc:st tehdn X-pte.
Jrjestely on pyritty tekemn mahdollisimman yksinkertaiseksi kytt:

* Kone bootataan korpulta kernel + hiukan asetuksia.
* Kone saa bootb:lt osoitteensa ja siirt tftp:ll X-serverin ja
  muut tarvittavat tiedot. ( toisena vaihtoehtona on NFS (ei toimi - viel) )
* fontit ja muut saadaan tftp:ll.

Yritn saada tst julkaisukelpoisen piakkoin. 


-SKI
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: tommi@rieska.oulu.fi (Tommi Kaikkonen)
Subject: Re: Uusi (meta)filesysteemi Partition-On-FAT-Partition..
Organization: Taidonkaari 1 E 36, 90570 Oulu, FINLAND
	<SEPPOI.93Jan24130409@jytko.jyu.fi>
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:30:13 GMT

Helluri, tuo kuulostaa hyv{lt{!!  Hyv{ Seppo, tee se loppuun ja
julkaise. Mill{ kernelill{ se py|rii ja mit{ VGA/SVGA kortteja
tukee?

Tommi
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
From: mea@polaris.utu.fi (Matti Aarnio)
Subject: Re: Uusi (meta)filesysteemi Partition-On-FAT-Partition..
Organization: University of Turku, Computing Centre
Distribution: sfnet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:15:36 GMT

inkari@snakemail.hut.fi (Juha Inkari) writes:
>>   Varsinaisesti halutaan tehd{ X-p{{teymp{rist| linuxia k{ytt{en koneeseen,
>>   mutta kun se ei ole aina mahdollista perustavalla...
>
>Miksei osteta valmis X serveri joka py|rii DOS:in alla, n{it{h{n on
>useitakin vaihtoehtoja. Tai jos pit{{ olla PD niin tehd{{n sellainen,
>luulisi olevan helpompaa kuin em. suunnitelman toteuttaminen (;

  Kerro tapa saada Xfree86:n erilaisten ET4000 et.al. korttien kyvyt
k{yt||n my|s Windowzessa.  Jos ET4000 kortista saataisiin irti Windows:ssa
1152x910 n.i., kuten otan siit{ UNIXissa, suurin osa ongelmista olisi
mennen talven haamuja.  Nurkissamme on suuria m{{ri{ kaikenlaisia mikroja,
joita eiv{t suin surminkaan halua ajaa UNIX- (Linux) -only tilassa,
toisaalta "opiskelijat" (n{m{ koneitten konfigsia sekoittelevat pienet
terroristit) saavat koneen helposti varsin sekaisin, sitten pit{{
taas ladata master-kopioista...

  Niin tietysti lis{ksi nuo DOSsin p{{ll{ kunhaavat TCP/IP implementaatiot
ovat inhan surkeita -- heikko verkko tuottaa t{ss{ heikon lopputuloksen..

>/* Juha.Inkari@hut.fi */

	/Matti Aarnio <mea@utu.fi>
From: inkari@snakemail.hut.fi (Juha Inkari)
Newsgroups: sfnet.atk.linux
Subject: Re: Uusi (meta)filesysteemi Partition-On-FAT-Partition..
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:44:33 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: sfnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-1.hut.fi
In-reply-to: mea@polaris.utu.fi's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:42:00 GMT


>   Varsinaisesti halutaan tehd{ X-p{{teymp{rist| linuxia k{ytt{en koneeseen,
>   mutta kun se ei ole aina mahdollista perustavalla...

Miksei osteta valmis X serveri joka py|rii DOS:in alla, n{it{h{n on
useitakin vaihtoehtoja. Tai jos pit{{ olla PD niin tehd{{n sellainen,
luulisi olevan helpompaa kuin em. suunnitelman toteuttaminen (;

--
/* Juha.Inkari@hut.fi */
Xref: sparky milw.unix:64 milw.general:448 wi.general:233
From: jtk@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Joe Klein)
Newsgroups: milw.unix,milw.general,wi.general
Subject: Re: MUUG Monthly Meeting - UPDATE
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:42:26 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

The MUUG meeting on Monday is FREE.

Thinking about getting a high end PC?

Check out the prices on the latest generation of UNIX workstations.

Real neat toys are yours to view at our MUUG vendor night...

Monday January 25th
Marqutte Student Union
4pm - 9pm

-- 
Theorys on USENET #254-9:                           Joseph T. Klein
  USENET is controlled by { Nazis | Anarchists |    jtk@rwmke.lakesys.com
  Zionists | Atheists | Everyone | Nobody }.        jtk@studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Xref: sparky milw.unix:62 milw.general:446 wi.general:231
From: jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco)
Newsgroups: milw.unix,milw.general,wi.general
Subject: Re: MUUG Monthly Meeting - UPDATE
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:21:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In milw.general article <1j1hq6INN72n@spool.mu.edu>, mort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Martin Wiedmeyer) wrote:
:		Date:  Monday, January 25, 1993
:
:		Time:  5 PM - 9 PM
:
:		Place: Marquette Memorial Union
:		       Ballrooms A-E
:		       3rd Floor
:		       14th and Wisconsin Ave.

Could one of the people responsible for this answer the following?

Is this open to the public (free, for a fee, etc), or is it for MUUG members
only?

Thank you,

... Joe

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe Greco - System Administrator		       jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us
Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI			   414/321-9287
Newsgroups: milw.unix
From: smart@parsec.mixcom.com (SmartSoft)
Subject: WANTED: NeXTSTEP programmers
Reply-To: smartsoft@parsec.mixcom.com (SmartSoft)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:37:24 GMT

SmartSoft is a new software development venture in the Milwaukee,
WI area.  We are looking for creative programmers well versed in
the NeXTSTEP environment to design and implement products ranging
from tridimensional graphics to information management.

We are looking for experienced individuals with good management
skills that will undertake high levels of responsibility. All
positions require a collaborative contribution and the ability to
work with people of varied professional backgrounds. Senior positions
require the ability to manage Junior Engineers.

Position requirements:
        
        Senior Software Engineers

                BSCC, MS preferred
                Expertise in NeXTSTEP application development
                Substantial experience in object-oriented
                        program design and development
                Substantial experience with graphics, Display
                        PostScript, highly encouraged.
                Objective-C, C++
                Writing and communication skills a plus


        Junior Software Engineers

                BSCC or equivalent degree
                NeXTSTEP application development experience
                Experience in object-oriented design and development
                Objective-C, C++
                Writing and communication skills a plus
        
        
SmartSoft offers excellent growth opportunities, and a very creative
dynamic work environment. If you are interested in becoming part
of our innovative team please send your resume with a cover letter
to:




SmartSoft
c/o Diana Jagusch
2220 East Linnwood Avenue
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211

email: smartsoft@parsec.mixcom.com
From: dermer@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Newsgroups: milw.general,uwm.general
Subject: Milwaukee School Superintendent Compares MPS to Brewers!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:48:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: dermer@convex.csd.uwm.edu


    In defending the $366 million dollar MPS facilities plan, Howard
    Fuller recently asked: "Will the Brewers have to guarantee us they
    will win a World Series before we will build them a stadium?"

    Despite old facilities, the Brewers just placed second in their
    division. Did MPS do as well? How about last year's performance at
    one of MPS's newest high schools: North Division?

    The Brewers do well, in part, because their performance on the
    field determines their pay. We can help thousands of
    insufficiently motivated MPS students by linking daily academic
    performance in school to rewards.  Beth Sulzer and associates
    found slow readers' rate of progress in spelling and reading to
    increase by 30% and 44%, respectively when performance was
    rewarded with toys, models, crafts, jewelry, or candy.  Many of
    these fifth-grade, public school children were economically
    disadvantaged and had previously been disruptive.  So, it is
    encouraging that rewards also enhanced student conduct.

    How much would it cost to link student learning with rewards? If
    rewards cost, on average, a dollar a day per student, $18 million
    per school year would motivate the approximately 100,000 students
    at MPS. Reduce this amount by 50% if you think we can only afford
    to help students attending schools falling in the bottom 50% of
    the achievement distribution. Obviously, it costs less to motivate
    a third-grader than a high-school senior. So, we can reduce costs
    further by only providing such help to elementary schools.

    Just as baseball players go on strike when they are not adequately
    compensated, students go on strike when learning does not produce
    valuable consequences.  Just as the Brewer's establish contracts
    with their players, MPS should be establishing learning contracts
    with its students.

    MPS thinks it may be able to increase learning by paying
    construction workers.  I am sure we can increase learning by
    paying students.
From: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: uwm.general,milw.general
Subject: Re: MPS PLAN HIRES THE WRONG WORKERS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:56:56 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: milw
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1993Jan12.210429.7478@mixcom.com> daniel.offutt <daniel.offutt@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>In <1iu22tINNhq2@spool.mu.edu> marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>>Please address the situation of 'everyone' wanting to send their
>>child to school X.
>
>Well, if 'everyone' decides that Apple computers are the best personal
>computers, that will simply permit Apple Corporation to grow.  It would
>be the same for a good school.

The parallel you draw here is WRONG.  (Unless you can clone people)

If I want to make an Apple Mac, I take a bunch of exactly same parts,
hook them up the same way, and add the same software and I have a Mac.
If Apple and I agree on a price, I will get a machine with a known
performance.  (Apples may be 'the best', but if I don't think 
'the best' is worth X but is worth Y, and Apple and I can not agree
on X or Y, then there will be no sale)

Now, how do you propose to make this 'best' school given you have
variable parts, variable ways to interconnect them, and various metrics
to measure preformance.  

>  Heavy demand for enrollment would create
>a huge prospective cash flow for the good school, enabling it to obtain
>financing for new buildings and staff. But let's cut to the crux of the
>matter here.

We have this now in the private schools.  This option exists, for
thoses who wish to take it.

>Increasing competition in the education industry will not necessarily
>yield the same quantity of benefit to every school child.  But it will
>increase the average benefit across all school children -- by comparison
>to what the present public school system yields.

Will this 'increased competition' do that?  I will say not, and
claim an environment which supports the student will do more.

-- 
Marc Rassbach    marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu    If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
From: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: uwm.general,milw.general
Subject: Re: MPS PLAN HIRES THE WRONG WORKERS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:03:19 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: milw
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1ivk43INNd5r@uwm.edu> dermer@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.210429.7478@mixcom.com> daniel.offutt <daniel.offutt@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
> The above paragraph gets to the core of the issue.  I think that we
> want to achieve two ends.  One is educationally equality and the other
> is educational excellence. I have been trying to address the former issue
> with my proposal.

One method of equality is to lower everyone to the same level.
Another is equality via 'you do the best you are able'.
There are other metrics, I'm sure.  Which metric do you wish to use?

On excellence, how will 'we' determine what is and is not
'excellence'?

> Finally, notice where this discusion has taken us.  We talk about pay for
> schools and pay for teachers, but are reluctant to accept pay for
> learning even thought it works!!

Well, the 'idealism' of education for education sake is kicking in.....


-- 
Marc Rassbach    marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu    If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
Xref: sparky pnw.motss:151 soc.motss:58343
From: lmeissne@carson.u.washington.edu (Loren Meissner)
Newsgroups: pnw.motss,soc.motss
Subject: Inaugural Poem
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:43:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


Did anyone notice that the text of the Inaugural poem as carried
over the wire services (I posted the wire service version earlier today)
omitted the reference to Gays?

Can any of the more literary enlighten us on this?
Are the wire services homophobic?
Dis Angelou ad-lib the Gay reference at the last minute?
Is the Gay reference part of the "original" written text of the
poem?

While I am anxious to find out what happened, please post
responses here, as I have no time to respond individually. Thanks.
Xref: sparky pnw.motss:152 soc.motss:58362
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Trust Me - I'm from the Government to help you
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:44:23 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Bill Campbell (bill@Celestial.COM) wrote:
: Unfortunately the free market doesn't really apply to health care
: in the U.S. where ``health insurance'' is really a bill paying
: function where we pay the insurance companies instead of paying
: for routine health car ourselves.  

In addition, health care is considered a fringe benefit of employment.  
So employers shield employees from the mental strain of figuring out 
how to pay their (the employees) own bills.  We'd be better off
if employer provided health care payments were banned and the end
user had to figure out how to pay for it.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Health Care Insurance Reform
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:00:51 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan26.170516.3949@fylz.wa.com> fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes) writes:

> (summary of some of the problems with the current health care non-system)
>...
>General:

 - Price gouging by drug companies.  Companies milk a product until its
   patent runs out, then RAISE the price when generic equivalents become
   available.  When the government dictates a discoount for government
   programs, the company simply raises the list price so the government
   program pays the old list price.

   Drug prices in the US run from 2 to 10 times the price for the same
   drugs in other countries.

 - Lack of meaningful competition in the industry.  Doctors and hospitals set
   prices for procedures and supplies.  Insurance companies attempt to control
   costs by limiting payments, and the patient is left holding the bag _ex
   post facto_.  (When was the last time you comparison (price/service) shopped
   for a doctor or hospital?)

 - Multiple-dipping for routine diagnostic tests.  For example, suppose you
   see a doctor because of chest pains.  The doctor decides he wants to see
   a chest X-ray.  The billing(s):
    (1) Office visit to doctor ($25-50)
    (2) X-ray charges from hospital (technician, supplies, etc.) ($50-100)
    (3) (Surprise!) bill from radiologist who actually read the X-ray
	(or from "Radiology Professionals, PC") (another $25-75)
    (4) (Insult to injury) "New patient" setup chages from radiologist
	(yet ANOTHER $25-50)

 - Doctors owning the labs they refer the patients to.  For example, most
   MRI machines in the US are owned by partnerships in turn owned by doctors.
   The doctors thus have an economic incentive to order diagnostics.  At the
   same time expensive equipment like MRI machines proliferate and there is
   to true competition between providers.
   
--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Trust Me - I'm from the Government to help you
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:42:10 GMT
Organization: FYL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Mark Crispin (mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote:
: One thing I don't understand about this health care debate is whether
: the proponents of universal health care really mean what they say.

Yes, we do.

: Consider the VA (my mom's husband works there as a medical claims
: examiner) as an example of what government-run universal health care
: would be like.

This example has nothing to do with what we are talking about.  We are
not talking about government provided health care (doctors working for
the government, hospitals owned by the government, etc) we are talking
about having one insurance provider (logically the state or federal
government) paying the bills.  Quite different from how the VA works.

For anyone confused by the difference or not understanding how the health
care system works in Canada, I would be happy to send you a copy of
the article I wrote about a panel discussion that took place last May
where this was all explained.

-- 
Phil Hughes - FYL - 8315 Lk City Wy NE - Suite 207 - Seattle, WA 98115 
Phone: 206-526-2919 x74      Fax: 526-0803
E-mail: fyl@fylz.com or nwnexus!fylz!fyl
From: jrt@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jerrold Thompson)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: For Sale
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: for sale

Newsgroups: seattle.general
Distribution: pnw.general seattle.general uwash.general
Subject: FOR SALE: APPLIANCES, DESK, COMP., TYPEWRITER
Keywords: for sale

I am moving and have the following items for sale:

Refridgerator: White, good sized freeezer above 'fridge.......$125

Stove:  White, needs 2 burner elements replaced...............$50

Washer and dryer: ............................................$175

Corona electric typewriter:....................................$50

Trash Compactor..............................................$65 obo

White Ceramic Stove top: Very good condition.................  $120

Compaq transportable and unregistered Word Perfect.............$275
              (still have original registration, so it can
               be sent in and upgraded to current version)

Mahogany desk:  Newly refinished, full 3'x 6'..................$250

Cabinets:  Set of upper cabinets, Oak paneled doors,
           used, good quality cabinets.........................$180

           The frames on these cabinets are solid oak, as are 
           the doors.  One nice thing about using used cabinets
           is that you will not get the formaldehyde fumes that
           new cabinets emit.  Great deal, if you can use them.

As I mentioned, I am in the process of moving, so all items are on a 
first come, first served basis.  Transportation of larger items can
probably be arranged.

My new phone is not yet installed, so if you are interested, please
leave your phone number where I can contact you.


                    Thank you.
 

                              Jerry Thompson