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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: tattoo nightmares
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:45:49 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
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In article <8483@public.BTR.COM> barb@public.BTR.COM (Barbara MacRae) writes:
>In article <4367@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>>
>>Does that mean that my dreams of sex with various people is just my mind's
>>way of reminding me I'm married?
>
>No, it's testosterone reminding you you're definitely a male.

Strange, my girlfriend has similar dreams, and the last I looked (about
an hour ago) she wasn't male at all.
--scott
From: paul@vax.ftp.com (Paul Selkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: me too
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: paul@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

[Apologies if you've already seen this.  I posted it a week ago, but
I still haven't seen it come back.]


Well, I finally did it too.  After years of contemplation, and one
false start, I got my first tattoo.  It's a dragonfly (eastern blue
darner), wingspan about three inches, on my left arm. 

I went to Juli Moon in Seabrook NH.  Not only is she about as close
to where I live as you can get and still be legal (you all know it's
illegal in Mass.), but she also does great work.  She's friendly and
patient, and she works with a light hand.  Yes, it hurt; no, it
didn't hurt a lot.  Oddly, it felt about like having needles stuck
into my arm for an hour.  She's not cheap ($125/hour for custom
work), but you don't want a cheap tattoo.  In fact, I was rather
pleased with the final bill; the whole process took two hours, but
she only charged for the one hour I was actually under the needle.
(Another tidbit that may seem blindingly obvious to the veterans, but
not so to the newcomers.)

BTW, Juli was recommended to me by another artist, Vyvyn Lyzonga at
Dermagraphics in Seattle.  Vyvyn convinced my that my initial design
wouldn't translate well to flesh, but after seeing her work, and
talking to her for a while, I felt I could trust her recommendation.
I wasn't disappointed.


	Juli Moon Designs
	at Jim's on Rt. 1
	PO Box 1403
	Seabrook NH 03874
	(603) 474-2250

("At Jim's" means that Jim has the bigger sign, but their offices are
separate).

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: Reflections and Questions on my new hobby..
Organization: UCCSN-SCS
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:15:31 GMT

tom@Ingres.COM (We are such things as dreams are made on.) writes:
>    What kind of reactions do you get from non-pierced people?

Whenever I tell someone about my PA or nipple piercing the first
question is always: "didn't that hurt?"  I just smile and say "yes."  ;-)

>        Do you find a lot of outright rejection (from intended intimates) 
>        based solely on the piercings?

I've never had an outright rejection.  I did have to take my PA out
for one person.  The rest have been intrigued.

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p
This signature is not Politically Correct, just differently worded!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: schlossy@stein.u.washington.edu (Joseph Schloss)
Subject: labia pierce -- easy & fun
Summary: piercing can be easy
Keywords: labia, pierce
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:51:06 GMT


I did my own labia pierce w/ a standard needle a few years ago.
It is incredibly easy & [unlike all you poor PA veterans]
doesn't bleed! Steps are
1. Ice it [unless you dig the pain thing]
2. Clean it
3. Poke it [using some backing like a carrot or cork to push
the needle into] If you use a sewing needle, you can use thread
for more pressure/tugging [more useful on noses]

And remember, no bike riding for at least a week!
It doesn't take much longer than that for it to heal almost
completely.
My question is about the seemingly more risky clit pierce.
I fear wierd losses of sensation. Has anyone done this? With
what degrees of success? Where is the placement exactly?

Also, in response to the ? about reactions from the unaltered,
I find that while most folks mostly don't care [unless they're
a bodmod wannabee] Potential paramours either find it a raging
turn on ; } or a super turn off : {. I had one guy who actually
wanteds me to take my nipple ring OUT. I figure that if they don't
groove on it, I'm better off w/o them but it's atricky issue since        
usually they don't find out until it is "too late".



Jessamyn [JWEST@hamp.hampshire.edu]
"Short is the pain and long is the ornament" -- Tattoo chant 
"Short is the pain and long is the

Jessamyn [JWEST@hamp.hampshire.edu]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: wolfie@netcom.com (Cinnamon DeWolf)
Subject: PA's
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:22:04 GMT

I've been considering getting a PA for quite awhile now, to supplement the
rest of the nasty little bits of metal I've been putting in my body. I suppose
I could just inquire directly to someone who has one about it, but I thought
I would get put forth the question to al of youse.

With most piercings body type/shape/whatever doesn't matter. For ex, I have
a nipple and had a frenum till I removed it, and will be getting a guiche. Thoseparticular body parts can be pierced on just about anyone. However, the opening
to my urethra (Piss-slit, for the crass) is fairly small. Does anyone know of
problems/difficulties/things to think about when getting a PA with such a 
attribute? Apologies if this has already been covered recently.

Cinnamon

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From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Reflections and Questions on my new hobby..
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:59:30 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1992Dec16.210013.19656@ctp.com>, ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
[all of my anecdote deleted for brevity] 
> That's really funny. Yeah, I get some surprised looks when people find out
> about my nipple pierces... Ah, wait'll I get my next pierce! (which in all
> likelihood will be a PA - can't wait for that gushin' blood! :-))

Well, simply because I'm feeling a bit down today, I'll tell you 
that the story would be even funnier if I weren't showing mild 
signs of rejection ... I've only got one more try to make this 
thing work (if it doesn't this time). My lovers are getting 
impatient!

Amelia, whose Princess Anne is atilt, slightly. B-(

                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Looking for viking tatoo
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:36:21 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
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In article <4380@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.005514.94770@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mar3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL AARON RISKIN) writes:
>>If anyone has a viking tatoo please respond.
>>Will pay up to $500 for one.
>
>You mean we can sell these when we're done with them?

	Damn. We have the start of a new industry here.


>Karl, can I borrow your family-crest-opus for a party?


	Sure, but what does Opus have to do with my family crest?
	I don't have ANY penguins in my family crest.

		-Karl


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   Hey, somebody let me know if this got out; I'm feeling cut off!
From: mar3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL AARON RISKIN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Looking for viking tatoo
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:55:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

If anyone has a viking tatoo please respond.
Will pay up to $500 for one.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: zola@hardy.u.washington.edu (blowtorch bitch)
Subject: not poetry, profanity, and general disgruntlement 
Organization: Singing Spider Ranch, Voodoo Baobab House 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:30:26 GMT


What is rap coming to?  Even Sheila, Gaseous Celestial Body wanter, is
saying "fuck you".

>When you return, Don, do look for _Pleasures_.  I leave finding the author
>an exercise to the literature-assertive, well-read and proof-desirous
>seeker.  Also, you might consider the rather harder to find, "girrrl" 'zines
>from Olympia, Washington and Washington, D.C. that reflect the new "riot
>girl" thing.

right.  some of this may prove to be interesting.

>
>I was calm, but now I'm found :) by the ever so dweeby pronouncements being
>made on this newsgroup by persons who pose loudly but who know not what
>they talk about, save for their uninformed general prejudices or
>specialized political axes to grind.  All men hate women.  Fuck means rape.
>Marek's poetry contributes to violence against women.  Love is a dead word.

For those of you interested in meta-social phenomenon of 'the monkey at the 
keyboard' or more locally 'idiots can write poetry occaisionally' I offer a 
few of the latest posts.  Certain hominids being able to say something that
is abjectly correct about 2% of the time, the rest of the time entirely 
missing the point.  Certain poems, translations perhaps being accurate and 
poetic, and the rest of the time showing distinct reasoning gaps.  Indeed 
words are only words, but in their use they do show patterns of thinking.
Sometimes fucked thinking. Sometimes missing the fucking point.

And sometimes discussions happen, and instead of getting more specific 
people get broader in their explanations so that the monkeys can grasp
the concept.  And that is exactly what they do- grasp the general idea rather
than the more subtle point.  Once again missing the fucking point.

still:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: poem - title suggestions welcome
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:34:15
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: gaurav@buphy.bu.edu's message of 16 Dec 92 02:19:32 GMT

gaurav@buphy.bu.edu (Gaurav Shah) writes:

>                   they scream, they do - tendons taut that is why
> their ears are covered that is why - they cry

Methinks they'd be better off with bananas in their ears.

> ---------------------------------------------------------
>     How does "People on the subway" sound as a title?

Try "Folkways" as a subtitle.

Philip Nikolayev
nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: for years now I have known some of you.
Keywords: not poetry
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:18:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.020100.9066@u.washington.edu>, zola@hardy.u.washington.edu
(riene des tournesols) writes:
> 
> 
> Marie writes:
> 
> >Well, damn it all!  Is that a nice thing for a girl to say?  Weird, huh?
> >I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel insulted...next you'll be
> >telling us we aren't as big as you'd hoped we'd be.  
> 
> Oh Marie, you are always insulted. You must like it though if it was
> good for you.  I think there are some dynamics here that I had not
> noticed before.  Would you like to call me mistress then?
> 

Still having trouble with that identity, eh?  I'd rather call you abcceer.


	-- Marie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: squirrels in the ceiling / Frances+Marek (1990)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:10:42 GMT

In article <dexter.724565891@aries> 
dexter@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Annette Dexter) writes:
>marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>
>>>      squirrels in the ceiling
>>>      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
         ^--- hyphen, in America.  In Australia?
>>>
>>>There are no poetical merits that I can ascribe to the above except
>>>that the end was clearly defined.
>
>>You froget eh underline and the indentation.  Bad critic.  No donut.
>>There were other things you missed, but we won't bopre you with subtleties.
>
>	i am shocked, marek.  you swore you only use *hyphens*.
>
>	annette.

An underline made of hyphens.  Oh, all right, dear, *hyphens*.  smooch.
I mean, *smooch*.

				-- Marek
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: "Ode to a Bitch"
From: kmwilson@vax1.umkc.edu (Ken M. Wilson)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:30:37 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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Ode to a Bitch:

    I see her standing by the corner sto,
    I want to fuck her, that skanky ho,
    I reach in my pocket and pull out a wad,
    I can feel my erection while eyeing her bod.
    
    As I start to approach her and give her my dough,
    Another guy takes her, that ooze-dripping ho.
    Two days later, they found her in a ditch,
    She would've been better off, being my bitch.

---Ken

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From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: the difference between a few and you / Marie Coffin  Re: "love as a drug"
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:07:10 GMT
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <1992Dec20.164757.18166@news.cs.indiana.edu>, "Marek Lugowski"
<marek@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> 
> Love is not a drug.  Love is a state of mind, which means it is
> mediated by neurotransmitters.  A drug would be something that
> interferes with your neurotransmitters, like caffeine.  Caffeine is a
> drug.  I wish more people would talk in their poems about coffee and
> their need for it and about meeting their lovers' need for it, and
> about coffee being a drug.


	the difference between a few and you 
	------------------------------------------------------------
	
	once i fell in love,
	well, more like falling
	down a well, more like
	heroin addiction, more
	like walking into 
	the same closed door
	i always knew was there
	but i kept beating
	my head against it 
	anyway.  i got over 
	that one cold turkey 
	and it's a good thing 
	because waking up 
	without him was 
	pretty much like 
	waking up without air
	and after i've done that
	a few times i don't
	really feel like
	waking up any more.
	at all.
	
	it's been a long life
	and another time i 
	fell in love with a guy
	as dependable as coffee
	but i kept falling asleep
	when he talked to me, 
	so i like it best
	to need something 
	like coffee i can control
	and love someone 
	i can't. like you.
	
	more coffee, honey?
	it's christmas.  let's
	go do something 
	
	sacramental.


Marie Coffin
December 20, 1992
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: like shakespeare -- jchien
From: jacobs@cerritos.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:40:39 PST
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <1992Dec15.103919.8750@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jchien@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Crystal Fang-Chien) writes:
> 
> 
> 	like shakespeare
> 
> 
> 	centuries ago,
> 	a poet could write hundreds of lines on
> 	denuding flowers and plucking cherries.
> 	nowadays,
> 	a poet takes only half
> 	the title.
   Yes, the poets of old wrote about sex, but at least they weren't as crude as
most are today.
> 
> 	yes, communication travels 
> 	at light speed in this modern world:
> 	fucking ends just as it starts.
> 
> 	the naive poet says,
> 	"let's write about the romance between
> 	the sexes--" it won't sell.
> 		people want their attention
> 	grabbed in the first two seconds.  put
> 	'fuck' in every title, and 'fuck' in
> 	every sentence.  write your poem
> 	around 'fuck', and 'fucking' too.
> 
> 	To produce maximum appeal, mix fucking
> 	in with lettuce, with gilligan's island,
> 	with gay teddy bears, with cherry cough drops,
> 	with salvatore dali, with sticks and stones,
> 	with little red riding hood, with crescent wrenches,
> 	(insert a phallic symbol here)  mix fucking
> 	with mugs shaped like tropical fish, with rollerblades,
> 	with bagpipes, with thermonuclear reactions,
> 	with with sarcophagi, with surreptitious paparazzi,
> 	with green honeydew, with the anomied,
> 	(insert a psychosexual conflict here)  mix fucking
> 	with tali-tying cerimonies, with cloth saddles,
> 	with braided beards, with supernovas,
> 	with strawberry margaritas, and with dice cups
> 	(insert a set of gentials here).
> 
> 	fuck them all.
> 
> 	mix me a new combination and i'll immortalize you 
> 	as a literary genius,
> 	(what did you think you'd write?)
> 	like shakespeare.
> 
> 
	This makes a very valid point! As for all you out there who jumped all
over this piece because Jennifer dared criticize the use of sex in poetry as
the mass media in general? It seems as though some of you are a bit sensitive
to the idea of sex being criticised. In-your-face sex is too prevalent in
today's society. I'm no prude, but I still feel that we could start leaving a
few more things to the imagination. 

Keep writing jennifer!

Karl 


> 
> 
> 				-- jennifer crystal chien
> 				    c/c welcome, as always =)
> 
> 
> 
> 
-- 



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From: wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: like shakespeare -- jchien
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:11:59 GMT
Reply-To: wachtel@canon.co.uk
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin) writes:

> Of course, [Shakespeare] never actually used "fuck"...that I recall, anyway.  
> Maybe that was your point.

hmm. but remember that in those days, an "s" was written long, at least
in certain positions, looking rather like a modern "f". now, just think
what the following looked like in the original manuscript:

	"where the bee sucks, there suck I."


-- 

Tom Wachtel (wachtel@canon.co.uk)
From: X67107@BARILVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Kittens - C&C Welcome
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:46 GMT
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel


In article <1g0eccINNsgr@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, megazone@planet10.WPI.EDU
(MegaZone23) says:
>
>Kittens
>
>Two kittens
>Huddled in a window
>Sharing their warmth
>
>Two bodies
>Melding into one
>Warm contented being
>
>Two hearts
>Beating together
>In perfect rhythm
>
>Two kittens
>Sharing each other
>Reflecting ourselves
>
>-megazone, daydreaming and a greeting card, 12/7/92

      Dead Kittens

      Two kittens
      Huddled near a bin
      Smelling so bad

      Two bodies
      Molding into one
      Rotting and quiet dead

      Filthy leper cats
      Frozen in the snow
      And Never was there

      A more heart breaking
      sight except
      The starving children watching......

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From: jtrue@acpub.duke.edu (jtrue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: fuck / jtrue
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:27:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.poems
Organization: the gospel of zagnut

there are 2 I think

1 came before the other
1 means conjugate (more or less), preferably violently
(note that bacteria don't fuck,
but they do conjugate,
I guess some invertebrates fuck,
but plants don't;
vertebrates all fuck
and the closer 1 gets to primates
and humans the more like genuine fucking
it gets).
Fuck was undoubtedly invented by men.
Very few women say fuck when they mean
have intercourse.

The other means the same
as shit (which also has two meanings,
one literal and one for effect).
Except what the fuck sounds better than what the shit.
Lots of women say what the fuck.
But still, more men say it than women.
Overall, I'd estimated that fuck is
said 76.5% by men and 23.5% by women.

I think what we need to do here
is to hijack fuck toward the latter meaning
(this has pretty much already been done
in the case of shit).

-jtrue

PS:
The biggest problem with
fuck with respect to sex
is that it essentially means hate
(hence the violence;
toward women by men).
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Robert Haas was Re: the poetry part was a lot
Keywords: Hope as passion, not concept
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:53:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


>In article <1992Dec14.165118.3936@panix.com> gcf@panix.com 
>Gordon Fitch wrote:
>...Maybe every utterance
>>of poetry should be followed by "Don't follow leaders!  Watch
>>th' parkin' meters!"

reminds me of an essay on poetry not written by Robert Haas:

[not having to do with what Gordin Fitch said except for the 
word "should" and "poetry"]

Insert quote from Spring Drawing 2, Robert Haas. of which I cannot
remember the full wording:

...what if before a poet wrote wet grass, or moonlight she had
to be responsible for all the innocent suffering....


awful awful memory of words someone supply the real one.
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: from bali with... / Marek+Marie
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:57:14 GMT


		from bali with...
		-------------------------------------------------------------

		the thing is not too loose
		on your wrist?  do you have anything
		like that?
		will you wear it
		all the time?
		
		you don't have to.
		
		manners dictate that
		you wear it the first time you see me
		and then from that point on
		you can pawn it.
		
		it is fairly loose...
		rides up and down a bit
		jingles, catching pale blue light.
		no, i have several bracelets,
		but none like this.  yes, i will wear it
		all the time.
		
		i will only take it off before fucking
		for fear of damaging
		
		your skin.  
		
		
			Marek Marie Coffin Lugowski
			17 December 1992
			Great La La Land of Xmas USA, East of the Sun and
						      West of the Moon