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From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:20:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1992Aug28.092524.11105@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>they still have 2400 baud stone-age modems. HEY WSU - WAKE UP: 2400
>baud went out years ago. We need 9600/14400 V.32/V.32bis wil V.42/V.42bis
>error correction/compression!! If you spent $4k for several racks of 
>these, you'd be helping more people than when you spend 2 million
>on a 5890. If U of M can pitch their stone-aged technology and provide
>what I consider essential technology, then so can you.

Considering your prior behavior, John, you're hardly in a position to
be making demands of the universities.  WSU spends its money to
provide services to its students, staff, faculty, and customers.  It
just happens that they haven't bothered to turn off their Merit
dialins to non-paying folks.  It's quite possible that buying a 5890
is helping more students, staff, and faculty than buying a rack of
V.32bis modems.

Then again, if you were to donate such a group of modems, I'm sure
they wouldn't turn you down.

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't make backups.  Real men never
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | accidentally delete files that they're going
                            | to need later.
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: wintert@wl.com (Tom Winters)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:41:27 GMT

In article <scs.715190896@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>
>emv> My sense from looking at [the regional fido echos] is that there's more
>emv> activity on Usenet than there is on that part of Fidonet, at least as
>emv> far as jobs stuff goes.  The rest of the local Fido groups go to seven
>emv> or eight sites (mi.* hits a few dozen, maybe fifty?).

If you are just looking at what I make available on my system you are missing
quite a lot of the activity available in Fidonet.  There are well over 200 
conferences carried by the Fidonet backbone systems plus quite a few that are
transported by other sub networks related to Fidonet most available to anyone
willing to go out and look for a feed.

For example I get about 250 to 300 messages a night alone in our International
Windows conference.  We may not have as many groups as Usenet, but we do move
quite a lot of message traffic arround via dialup connections between systems.
In a major international conference I have seen messages posted and replied 
to from people as far away as Austrailia in as little as 3 days. Not bad 
considering the daisy chain of LD phone calls that are made.

Tom Winters Sysop of the Snowshoe Consulting BBS and NC Fidonet 2200.
                         Internet wintert@wl.com


Newsgroups: mi.misc,mi.sun,mi.news
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Michigan User Group Monthly Meeting.
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: mi
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:18:01 GMT

jrl@bgalli.mug.org (John Lodden) writes:

>Presentation:	"UNIX: Is It Dead?"

"Oi'm not dead yet.  Oi'm feeling much bettar."
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
From: sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: call for discussion: mi.jobs 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 22:50:03 GMT
Organization: Author of "My Life as a Cindy Crawford Cultist!" #1 Best Seller!


In article <scs.715468200@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org writes:

  > analyse the current topics.  Once he's done all we really need do it
  > pick some useful names for the groups.

A good time to finalize the naming of all this stuff would be the
upcoming SEMiSLUG meeting, but if anyone has any suggestions, I'm
certain we'd be all ears.

                                        ...Sensei

==
 Internet:  sensei@dojo.mi.org
 UUCP:  ...!wsu-cs!dojo!sensei                      

Newsgroups: mi.misc,ou.general
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: Is Sterling Heiths Merit node really V.32?
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Distribution: mi
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:36:04 GMT

In article <scs.715611739@wotan.iti.org>, scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

  *All* telebit V.32 modems previous to the WorldBlazer seem to be
  somewhat flakey on V.32.

I don't think it's quite that bad.  The T2500 and older were flaky on v.32,
but the T3000 and Qblazer were ok.  I use both regularly.  In fact, I don't
think there's much if any difference between the T3000 and the Worldblazer
on v.32(bis).
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Reply-To: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:53:01 EDT
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X-Apparently-To: mi.misc.usenet

>My sense from looking at them is that there's more activity on Usenet than
>there is on that part of Fidonet, at least as far as jobs stuff goes.  The

You're right, Ed, the Usenet jobs hierarchy is enormous.  However, the feeling
I get is that there's more local stuff, even as far as jobs goes, on Fido.

>groups to be had I'd say mail might be a better first priority.

Mail's already there, but unfortunately I don't have the information at my
fingertips.  There are supposedly a couple of Fido-Net mail gateways in the
Detroit area... if I could dig up the person's business card that had a
domainized Fido address on it, I'd give you a sample.  (Yes!  "North winds
blow, south winds blow, hurricane, typhoon, SMOG!")
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 09:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.024302.28473@zip.eecs.umich.edu> baillod@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Brad Baillod) writes:
"Which leads me to:  does anyone else get infuriated trying to access
"U of M--Ann Arbor computers over Merit from the Detroit area?  It's
"so incredibly slow and lagging sometimes it's ridiculous.  Just
"to get this advice tonight I'm making a call direct to the Merit
"connection in Ann Arbor.  This connection is fine--is there some
"sort of 1 kilobyte per second gateway between Detroit and Ann Arbor
"through which all of Merit's information must pass?
"Thanks for any advice you can give me.
"
"Brad
"

I too have some problems, only mine happen during UUCP connections to
destroyer. In the last few days, Merit chokes up after about 10 minutes
and dumps the connections.

Regarding the Detroit dial-in modems: Wayne State University is 
responsible for these. Its really sad that they've chosen to spend
a few million on a mainframe to run a dinosaur OS like MTS while
they still have 2400 baud stone-age modems. HEY WSU - WAKE UP: 2400
baud went out years ago. We need 9600/14400 V.32/V.32bis wil V.42/V.42bis
error correction/compression!! If you spent $4k for several racks of 
these, you'd be helping more people than when you spend 2 million
on a 5890. If U of M can pitch their stone-aged technology and provide
what I consider essential technology, then so can you.
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: ed@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Ed Anselmo)
Subject: Re: nntpd
Reply-To: anselmo@nic.near.net
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: mi
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:31:49 GMT

emv mentions INN (the greatest thing since sliced bread?  the future
of news on the Internet?  A news system that's comprehensible by mere
mortals again?).  I've been using it for over a year now, but....

The news reading system I left behind at Yale did (does?) NEWGROUPS correctly:
C News circa 1990, nntp 1.5.11, both stock, except for the relaynews
daemon mods.

Assuming you're running C news:
Configure common/conf.h in the nntp distribution for CNEWS, and make sure
that ACTIVE_TIMES_FILE points to the correct thing.  And it just sort of
works.

	-- Ed (anselmo@nic.near.net)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: nntpd
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Distribution: mi
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 07:18:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.155401.10497@terminator.cc.umich.edu> bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:
>
>Have there been patches for nntpd released lately?  The copy of nntpd I
>have doesn't seem to work well with the NEWGROUPS command.  Others
>seem to have nntpd's that accept it properly (e.g., msen.com).
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.  (Do I just need a new newgroups.c?
>The one I have definitely has a bug or two in it.)
>
>Thanks.

Yes, please, if anyone knows, let me know as well. I got a version off
of terminator (Version 1.5.11 10-Feb-91) and it seems to be lacking. 
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher)
Subject: nntpd
Organization: U of Michigan ITD Research Systems
Distribution: mi
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:54:01 GMT


Have there been patches for nntpd released lately?  The copy of nntpd I
have doesn't seem to work well with the NEWGROUPS command.  Others
seem to have nntpd's that accept it properly (e.g., msen.com).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  (Do I just need a new newgroups.c?
The one I have definitely has a bug or two in it.)

Thanks.
-- 
Bryan Beecher, U-M Information Technology Division (+1 313 747 4050)
Domain:	Bryan.Beecher@umich.edu        Path:  ..!uunet!mailrus!bryan
From: paulh@crane.aa.ox.com (Paul Haas)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:39:36 GMT
Organization: OTA Limited Partnership, Ann Arbor MI 48104 USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: crane.aa.ox.com

If we look at the total number of job postings in the mi groups and do
a reasonable extrapolation, it is obvious that we don't need a separate
group for Michigan jobs now or for the next few years.

On the other hand, if we look at (un)employment statistics in Michigan,
it is obvious that making it easier for people to find work is a good
thing.

So, if Ed (emv@msen.com) proposed creating mi.jobs so that
4 or 5 postings a month will now also get crossposted to mi.jobs,
I am against creation of the group.

I would be for creation of the group, if it meant that Ed would
repost Michigan jobs found elsewhere, or convince large local
employers to post their job openings or anything else that would
lead to a significant volume of appropriate posts.
--
Paul Haas  paulh@ox.com OTA Limited Partnership (313) 930-1888
Psst, hey buddy, want to buy an 8 MByte Sun 3/50 and a Telebit T2500?
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:10:00 GMT

wintert@wl.com (Tom Winters) writes:

>Steve - I will admit that the traffic in the Michigan Chat echo currently 
>isn't real high.  On average I think its about 30 or so message a night.  
>There are several other Michigan related echos but I don't happen to pick them
>up currently.  In our would excess groups translates to more connect time and 
>costs.  I will look into the subject of topics and message volumes and let you
>know.

Costs aren't an issue -- and in fact, the more regional volume, the
better.  If you have 30 relevant postings per day, that would make an
excellent and useful addition to the Michigan news heirarchy.  A
volunteer is already digging up software to do the interchange and
analyse the current topics.  Once he's done all we really need do it
pick some useful names for the groups.

Many thanks, Steve
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Reply-To: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:56:24 EDT
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In article <scs.715190637@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers) writes:
>
>>>Which Fido echoes would be appropriate for a gateway?
>
> . . . some discussion ensued . . .
>
>>Dang!  Exactly what we want!  I suggest we gate Tom's group as mi.fido.jobs
>>and forget about a separate mi.jobs.  If anyone wants to post jobs and not
>>let local fido users read them, they can put them in mi.misc.
>
>Over time the distinctions between the various transport networks
>breaks down more and more.  I would much rather see any gatewayed
>groups avoid putting `fido' as part of the name.  If there is a
>reasonable amount of traffic in the fido group and if those jobs
>are primarily of interest to computing types, a mi.jobs <-> fido
>job list gateway would be most appropriate.
>
>In the more general case, if there are other Michigan-oriented fido
>things which someone thinks should be gatewayed, let's hear about
>them.  Meg?
>-- 
>Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list


Newsgroups: mi.misc,ou.general
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Is Sterling Heiths Merit node really V.32?
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: mi
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:02:19 GMT

jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:

>. . . I cannot seem
>to get the Merit V.32 modems to work reliably with a connection from 
>here to Destroyer. I've tried the ones in Dearborn and Ann Arbor (My
>end has a Telebit T3000).  It fails in the middle of compressed news
>transfers.

*All* telebit V.32 modems previous to the WorldBlazer seem to be
somewhat flakey on V.32.  My experince with them verifies this.  The
Merit folks evaluated them some time back and decided not to use them
because they were one of the worst for interoperability.  But WBs seems
to work great.

>When it does work, I get better throughput by using 2400bps. Go figure.

This is more likely congestion in the Merit SCP/PCP connections.  Until
yesterday we were on an SCP, and on bad days got horrid horrid
throughput going through them.  I get the distinct impression that
Merit would like to trash all the SCP/PCPs, but until the individual
affiliates (like us :-)) give them up, they're stuck.

What am I, the Merit apologist?  :-)
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:42:22 GMT

emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:

>this is a call for discussion for mi.jobs.

Mi.wanted seems sufficient to me . . . on the other hand, as a well-known
spineless wimp, I'll go with the majority on this one.
-- 
"If life were fair, the acquisition of a large bosom or a massive inheritance
 would have no bearing on your ability to attract the opposite sex, and Dan
 Quayle would be making a living asking runny-nosed children, `Do you want
 fries with that?'"     -- John Cleese, "Corporate Computing" magazine
Newsgroups: mi.misc,ou.general
From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Is Sterling Heiths Merit node really V.32?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: mi
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:20:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.155345.26185@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jeff Baron) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.131341.17268@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler) writes:
>>I noticed in the June '92 Merit newsletter that the Michnet node in SH
>>now had 9600 baud v.32 modems.  Is this true or a misprint?
>>
>
>It must be a misprint because I've have a 9600 v.32 and call that 
>node all the time (939-3370) and I've never been able to connect 
>any higher than 2400, though I've tried many times.
>
Its a misprint...trust me. Curently we have nothing user Dial-in user
oriented that oprates above 2400 baud. Fortunately we are working on
adding 9600 baud modems into our hunt groups but we don't have a date
when this will be available. I will keep you posted when this becomes a
reality.

WSUNOC
================================================================================
=  De Vaughn A. Elledge      ** ================================================
=                            **               DON'T   STEAL 
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Newsgroups: mi.misc,ou.general
From: bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler)
Subject: Is Sterling Heiths Merit node really V.32?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: mi
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:13:41 GMT

I noticed in the June '92 Merit newsletter that the Michnet node in SH
now had 9600 baud v.32 modems.  Is this true or a misprint?
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:29:33 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

this is a call for discussion for mi.jobs.

i've been clipping stuff from a few places and putting it into mi.misc,
but a .misc group is not exactly what you'd call a prime fertile territory
for looking for jobs or advertising availability of same.

rules would be simple: anything that's reasonable in the other .jobs
groups would be reasonable here.  people who post jobs to
misc.jobs.offered would be encouraged by a small gang of volunteers (raise
your hands please) to cross-post into mi.jobs.  

the mi.* group creation ritual appears to be "convince the mi sites to
carry the group".  we'll see what happens....

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: RS/6000 Systems Administrator -- Ann Arbor, MI
Date: 26 Aug 1992 01:12:58 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Reply-To: ittai@news.ans.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

This is pulled from misc.jobs.offered.  Do not contact me about the job.
(but it is interesting...)   --Ed

[ Article crossposted from misc.jobs.offered ]
[ Posted on Tue, 25 Aug 1992 03:33:22 GMT ]


   [PLEASE READ CAREFULLY BEFORE RESPONDING: ENTRY-LEVEL CANDIDATES
	      WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS POSITION.]

RS/6000 Systems Administrator (Ann Arbor)
-----------------------------------------

Full time staff member responsible for providing systems
administration and systems programming support, in production 
RS/6000 server, workstation and X-terminal environment.

The ideal candidate has excellent interpersonal skills, is able to
work well with both technical and non-technical users, and has at
least three years of Systems Administration experience in a Unix
workstation/server environment (AIX experience preferred).  Technical
knowledge of TCP/IP networking and telecommunications a plus.

This position is unsuitable for applicants with no significant full
time work experience.  U.S. Citizenship or U.S. Permanent Residency is
required: we are unable to provide INS sponsorship.

			 --------------------

Advanced Network & Services, Inc., is a value-added Internet service
provider that currently operates the only nationwide public data
network with a T3 (45 Mbps) infrastructure.  In addition to supporting
an operational network, ANS also conducts research and designs and
tests future high-speed networking technologies.

ANS has technical staff in Elmsford, NY; Ann Arbor, MI; and Reston VA.
This particular posting is for our Network Operations Center located
in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

If you are interested and qualified, please mail your resume and
salary requirements to:

        Ittai Hershman
        Advanced Network & Services, Inc.
        100 Clearbrook Road
        Elmsford, NY 10523

or fax to my attention at 914-789-5310.

-Ittai


Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:24:42 GMT

One reason that there aren't 9600 bps modems at Wayne may be that it has
only a 56k line connecting it to U-M.  This is according to a map I found
on merit.edu in pub/maps/michnet.ip.92.7.ps

Leon Dent
lcd@ais.org

Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: pmurphy@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Peter Murphy)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:48:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.223102.15456@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>
>There are many students who need to be able to transfer large files via
>modem in order to complete their classwork at home.  It's not realistic
>to assume that all students are within the local calling area of the
>university's direct dial-ins.

   This is exactly the reason that WSU has placed modem pools around the
Detroit metro area: to serve our student and faculty who are not within our 
local calling area.   I honestly wish that I *could* collect a per-call,
per-use-hour fee from UM, CMU, MSU and TACOM for thier personnel's use 
of modems that WSU bought and maintains.  Then it would be quite easy
for WSU to offer the best.

>
>Perhaps it's time for Michnet to consider taking over the SCPs if the
>local universities cannot support them to the current state of the art.
>
>Keith
>--
>Keith Petersen
>w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu

    Hey! He posts from TACOM-EMH1, but claims his e-mail address as OU.
Is this a TACOM complaint of an Oakland complaint?

Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: ed@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Ed Anselmo)
Subject: Re: RS/6000 Systems Administrator -- Ann Arbor, MI
Reply-To: anselmo@nic.near.net
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:26:19 GMT

>RS/6000 Systems Administrator (Ann Arbor)
>-----------------------------------------
>
>Full time staff member responsible for providing systems
>administration and systems programming support, in production 
>RS/6000 server, workstation and X-terminal environment.

AIX:  It will remind you of UNIX.
	-- Barry Shein
Newsgroups: mi.misc