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From: at389@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Ross)
Subject: Re: NCAA Men's BB Rulebook
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:34:34 GMT


You can get a rulebook by sending $3.00 to:
NCAA Publishing
P.O. Box 7347
Overland Park, Kansas 66207-0347.
Be sure to include the code "BR 92" in your request. You can also
call (918) 339-1900 for more info. They might make you wait until
next year's rulebook is available. I ordered mine around the end of
June, and got it a couple of months later.
You can also order a "read-easy" rulebook for $1.50 (EB 92) and an
illustrated rulebook for $3.00 (BI 92).
BTW, both the men's and women's rules are in the same rulebook.
-- 
Andrew Ross
rossam@dupr.ocs.drexel.edu
From: burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Championship Game notes
Summary: Finally, a posting that makes sense...
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:53:58 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Apr7.022430.19056@icf.hrb.com> mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>Notes from tonights game: ...

Thank God, a sensible posting.  After reading postings that are
nothing but sour grapes (it was a weak year for college basketball)
and whining (the refs and CBS are in conspiracy), it's good to get
some reasonable analysis of what actually took place during the
game.

I subscribed to this newsgroup to get some insight into the game
of college basketball, but postings like Mike's are damn rare.

Thanks, Mike.
--rb
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky Stuff
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:18:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Apr13.125142.9888@ms.uky.edu> rfvand@ms.uky.edu (Ronald Vandenhouten) writes:
>Regarding UK's Name-The-Team contest, my favorite is "Pitino's Pride".
>The four seniors "came in like a lamb...and left like a lion."

Someone up in Lexington mentioned that the contest ended last week,
and that we might know the winning name this week.  Please keep us
informed.

Pitino's Pride is a good one.  I like "The Finishing Four", since 
they stuck around for the duration while other team members left.

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From: bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: random thoughts before the Big Game
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:23:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.172351.29949
Reply-To: bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


(linda as usual)

well, just a few random thoughts before i enter the prayer phase of the day...

i was so glad duke beat indiana.  it's been said, i know, but knight is just
such an ass that losing to him would have been doubly painful.  losing to 
michigan would just be depressing, not humiliating.  

on the whole announcer thing:  i totally agree that announcers really tend
to lean towards whoever they individually want to win, or think will win, or
have money on.  :)  but rest assured, it happens against everybody sometimes.
i've seen announcers who were so anti-duke (one of them was during the 
kentucky game) that it was really sort of funny.  ("that was almost a great
defensive play!" and similar remarks.)  it was also VERY evident during the
final four game against unlv last year when all the announcers were trying to
cover their asses so when unlv won (hee hee) they wouldn't look stupid.  it
seemed like everything that happened was described in terms of how it would 
look later after unlv won.  (hee hee.)  

all i have to say about the final game is that it should be a very good game
for people that like good basketball.  i also want to praise the demise of
the endless discussion of laettner.  let's face it, he's basically a dick.
enough said?  last point:  i was very amused by an article i read today that
said one of the michigan 5 (i don't remember which, i'm afraid) was talking 
about how hard it is to play against duke with their fans, and he was 
remembering a duke game he saw in which the fans were counting in french and
spanish while the opponents were dribbling.  i was amused.  hadn't heard that
one before.  anyway, have fun watching the game, all!

go blue devils!  (i do believe, i do believe, i do believe...)

                                      --ms. linda (still tired from marching
                                      on washington yesterday  :-)  )
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Internet: bd344@cleveland.freenet.edu    !  risk of failure"
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From: horan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: LAETTNER COMMITS NCAA VIOLATIONS (NO JOKE!)
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:32:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.17545.29eeb748

In article <1992Apr16.142154.25414@ncsu.edu>, alester@fire.ncsu.edu (avie) writes:
> 
> i'm fortunate in that i get to attend a school which abides by ncaa
> regulations... unlike those dukies who have to cheat to win!

That's a joke right?
Two words G.
Charles Shackleford.

> 
> i'll have more details in an upcoming post...
> 
> GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

easy chief.

5000
Gregg Horan

> 
> Avie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:05:55 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <BILLMS.92Apr6172017@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
|> In article <44127@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartigse@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig) writes:
|> 
|>    In article <1992Apr6.112118.10473@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|>    I like these candidates. I would definitely have to also include
|> 
|> 
|>        4) John MacLeod- Notre Dame (questionable, but did something
|> 			with nothing)
|> 
|> 
|> Bennet and Ellis will probably be #1 picks.  Sweet might be.  Tower was a big
|> solid experienced senior.  I'd say he did something with a whole lot of
|> something.  Those guys must have really given up on Digger.

I agree.  I remember when all those guys were freshmen, everyone was
saying that if Digger didn't win it with them, he never would.  To
only win 12 games last year with that kind of talent is pitiful (granted
Ellis sat half the year for academic reasons, ND's academic reasons not the
NCAA's.)  It would have been really interesting to see how
they would have done with MacLeod at the helm last year and this year.
I doubt all of those "upsets" this year would have been upsets.

Bennett won't be a first rounder.  If he is, someone screwed up.  He's
not that great of a point guard and he is too small to be a shooting
guard.  I'd take Sweet over Bennett in a second.  At 6' 5" he might
make it as an off guard.  I'd say Sweet will go early second round and
Bennett late second round, but they'll both be in Europe within 2 years.

|> 
|> 
|> Bill
|> --
|> -------------------------------
|> 	Bill Mangione-Smith
|> 	billms@eecs.umich.edu

-- 
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: CBS: NCAA TV better than NFL?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:02:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Apr9.172842.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
}} 
}} Thus, I would argue that the TV coverage of the 
}} NCAA was generally better than that of the NFL. Comments?

I would also rather bleed out my eyeballs than be drawn and quartered.

I'm a Browns fan in Dolts/DaBears country.  Yes, it sucks that the NFL
has such stupid policies; that doesn't have much to do, in my mind,
with the crappy CBS coverage when they have the choice on what to
televise.

}} Mike Sherrick

sjc@cs.purdue.edu             Steve Chapin             Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: D00K R00LZ!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:16:07 GMT

lhsux@cellar.uucp (Lorne Schachter) writes:
>The last team to repeat was awesome.  It was UCLA and they won SEVEN years
>in a row.  Wooden went through three completely separate teams, from Alcindor
>though Wicks-Rowe-Patterson to Walton, and they just kept rolling. From 1963
>through 1974, there were 12 NCAA championships, UCLA won 10 of them.  Duke
>has been in the Final Four for four years in a row, UCLA was in the Final
>Four from 1966 through 1975, ten years in a row and only lost twice, to
>NC State (David Thompson, et al.) in 1973 and to Indiana (Scott May, et. al)
>in 1975.  The tournament may have been easier in those days because they
>only had 25 or so teams, and only one from a conference, but it still is an
>amaxing accomplishment.

	I believe that UCLA last repeated as champsions in 1973.  NC State
	won in 1974, while UCLA won Wooden's last title over Kentucky in
	1975.  Indiana went undefeated and won it all in 1976.

	Jazzy J
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From: rar84@cbnewse.cb.att.com (rick.a.rockershousen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WOLVERINE'S can PLAY the game!
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:19:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Apr6.221905.3365
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr5.141634.3697@gw.wmich.edu>, by x90townsen12@gw.wmich.edu:
> The Wolverines can talk the game, but can they play the game?

I heard a funny story about Jalen Rose's talk during the Mich-Cinci game
on the local all sports radio station (WSCR - The Score!).  Anyways, a
writer from SI was on talking about how Cinci's Van Exel said that Rose
said to him  when Cinci was up on Mich something like:
  "It must feel pretty bad to be up 7 and know you're gonna lose"

Cracked me up, apparently Rose is the team comedian.  A bit in today's
USA TODAY said Rose was doing an immitation of a "scared freshman in the
final four" on the elevator (cryin' for mommy stuff) which had all the
other players rollin...

> 
> Believe me, they can PLAY the game!

And HOW!
> 
> Now there's only one last team to convince.
> 
> Duke is goin' down!

My heart says yes, head says no....

Rick Rockershousen
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ryne Sandberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA by conf. 80-92
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:21:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rslltINNb8e
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Indiana     12- 8-4-3-2        24-10
Iowa        11- 4-2-1-0        15-12
Illinois     9- 4-2-1-0        11- 9
Purdue       9- 2-1-1-0        10- 9
Ohio St.     8- 4-1-0-0        10- 8
Michigan     7- 3-2-2-1        17- 6
Mich. St.    5- 2-0-0-0         6- 5
Minnesota    3- 3-1-0-0         6- 3

Keady and Henson have taken a lot of heat for not doing well in the tournament.
It seems all Big-10 teams have similar win-loss ratio except Indiana and
Michigan with the 2 recent runs. Iowa has been to the tournament 12 straight
times! Indiana missed once but somehow they have 10 losses + 2 crowns = 12??
I dont know if Ayers will share the heat for failing to reach the FF with 2
consecutive B10 champs.
From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner and the draft
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:08:49 GMT
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)

>Theroy:

>The reason Christian Laettner has had trouble in the past two games is that
>he knows tha he will no longer be the number one draft pick in the NBA.

>O'Neil from L.S.U. will

>Sorry Christian, but the final dream you have will be just that!! A
>dream!!!!

          NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give me a break. Yes, Laettner will not be the #1 pick - but I'm sure that
has had nothing to do with his performance. Laettner has had stamina problems.
I'm sure the NBA scouts have noted this. He seems to get tired out there
fairly frequently. Now much of this might be because he gives 100% - BUT - what
is he going to do durring the NBA 82 game season and then the real season
hits - PLAYOFFS (if his team makes the playoffs)!

I see Laettner as a power forward role player off the bench in the NBA. At forward I think he'll do better than say, Danny Ferry, but he won't be a
Kevin McHale - No way. He will just be a good 6th man/role player IMHO.

But this premise about playing bad because he has been disallusioned about
the #1 pick is garbage.

Marty
From: yoonho@engin.umich.edu (Yoonho Park)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: duke did
Keywords: fichigan falls
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:50:56 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

J. 'Doc' Exby writes:
>All I gots to say is:     Thank duke.
>fab five fall.           Thank duke.
>gotta love them dookies too.

Yep...congrats to Duke.  They played a mean second half, and they know
how to put a team away.  Broke my heart...but I gotta smile in
anticipation of next year. :)

>and lil weeber cryin at the end.  awwww....did I feel anything?  nope.

Oh please.  He doesn't need your sympathy.  While he goes on to fame
and fortune, you'll just be another Joe in the crowd wishing you could
have half his talent.  Awww...do I feel anything for you?  NOPE.
Should you care?  NOPE.

>maybe the "cocky boy" will remember some humility next time he barks in
>someones face.  go home fichigan.

I hope Webber never shuts up.  The things he says on the court are
hilarious.  You must play some really boring ball.  The Wolverines will
come home to appreciative fans.  They made history.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: ACC is on a role!
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:24:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.120153.3540@wam.umd.edu> laoo@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (The MAN..The Myth..The Legend!) writes:

   If you take a look at the NIT and the NCAA's you can see that the ACC is  
   almost with all four titles(Even though I was hoping Virginia would get  
   the Women's NCAA title).

The NIT might prove, at most, that A's second class teams are better than
B's.  Personally, I don't get too excited about the comparison.

As if the ACC needs the NIT to prove its a good basketball conference.

Bill
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Subject: Its All Over ...
Keywords: Duke-Michigan
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:38:43 GMT




   Duke wins it all. Pretty pathetic game ... offensively for both teams. Though
   Duke managed to come through at the end. What I could not understand is 
   why CBS likes to suck up to Laettner so much. The whole of 1st 1/2 all they 
   talked about was "what is wrong with Laettner". He might be a great player
   but he did nothing for them in the final-4.



   Sandeep Aji.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: burtonr@coma.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: All Rookie Team?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:12:20 GMT

foster@pa621a.inland.com writes:
>Nick Fernandes writes:
>> Timothy J Hartman writes:
>>>1991-1992 All Freshman Team
>>>
>>>Name                          School                 Comments
>>>Jalen Rose G                 Michigan            Almost lead Wolves to title
>>>Lawrence Moten G             Syracuse            Big East POY in '92-93
>>>Cherokee Parks C               Duke              Learned behind C.L.
>>>Chris Webber F               Michigan            Could be best ever at U.M.
>>>Alan Henderson F             Indiana             May take IU to B10 title
>> 
>> I don't think that Parks deserves a spot on the All Freshman team. 
>> ...
>> If your looking for a freshman center ... I would go with Juwan Howard
>
>what about David Vaughn from Memphis State?  At least in the NCAA's he seemed
>better than the above guys, his team depended on him more, and he was more 
>responsible for his team's success.  didn't he avg 15 - 20 ppg?

Okay, while everybody's talking about their faves, I would like to put
in some support for two Big 8ers: Fred Hoiberg (ISU) and Donny Boyce
(CU). They came into the nation's toughest conference and were key
reasons that the Cyclones and Buffs had seasons that were THIS good.
Both earned the respect of the conference's coaches and players for
their good play. Too bad the media doesn't know about them.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"At last I can look forward to a little peace."
"Oooooh, Rene'!"
"... and here she is."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:03:54 GMT
Organization: My Daddy, My Doggy, and Me
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr13.151735.17304@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>
>The point is that the Triangle is like a single city, probably smaller in
>area than what is generally referred to as "Atlanta".  I don't think the
>Lexington-Louisville-Cincinnati situation is very similar at all.

Is this true? Durham is a hole w/ Duke's little idyllic island stuck smack
in the middle. I always heard that Chapel Hill was a pretty little
country town...I'm all confused. And hurt. Hurt and confused. Could
Chapel Hill be a pretty little suburban sprawl? That doesn't sound right.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WAS LAETTNER EVEN IN THE LAST 17 MINUTES LAST NIGHT???
Date: 6 Apr 1992 14:08:23 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr6.120619.9395@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
|In article <1992Apr5.184434.7210@ncsu.edu> bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie) writes:
|>I heard you missed me, I'm back! :)
|>
|>Watching the Indiana-Duke game last night hopefully made all of us realize
|>just how overrated Christian "Antichrist" Laettner is.
|
|	Christian Laettner is overrated?  Nah...  He missed all those
|putbacks on purpose, because last night's game was Hurley's turn to
|shine.   Laettner is such a sensitive guy...
|
|===------ 
|NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

Actually, Laettner was put on double secret probation by the NCAA and not
allowed to "play".  Coach K knew about it, but decided to use Christian as
a decoy anyway.

Rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:18:28 GMT

cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes- (quoting iowa fans):

>"Don't be ridiculous.  You can't take something that a person never had in
>the first place !  The simple fact is that Iowa has hardly ever had talent
>on par with the Illini, yet they've been far far more consistent."



Yes, Lou Henson's teams have been 'remarkably inconsistent'.  9 or 10 
consecutive NCAA tournament appearances (longest streak ever in B10). 
That number (plus 1 more) consecutive seasons with 20 or more wins.  



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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:21:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.112118.10473
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.85355.17082@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>larose@cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>>Who are the nominees for net "National Coach of the Year"?
>>
>>I'd have to step forward and propose these this list to start with.
>>IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
>>
>>1)  Coach K,           Duke 
>>2)  The General" Robert Montgomery Knight,  IU
>>6)  Steve Fisher,      Michigan.
>
>Too much talent - Dale Brown might have even coached these teams to the
>Final Four.
>
>>3)  John Calipari      UMASS!!
>>4)  Rick Pitino,       Kentucky.
>>5)  Bob Huggins,       Cincinnati.
>>7)  Roy Williams,      Kansas.
>>8)  Pat Kennedy,       FSU.
>
>Any of these coaches would make a fine COY.  They all took a group of
>no-name players (with a few exceptions -- Mashburn of Kentucky is the
>notable exception) and did a fantastic job of coaching this year.
>
>Personally, I'd like to see either Calipari, Pitino, or Huggins win a
>few COY awards.

I think they may all see some awards - they all deserve them, IMHO.
However, a lot of entities have given the award to Roy Williams already (2
years in a row?).  I imagine the Dean Smith connection has something to do
with that.  To give Roy credit, though, I saw Kansas play and saw little
talent.  He must of done a hell of a coaching job to win the Big 8 this
year.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J.'Doc' Exby)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WOLVERINE'S can PLAY the game!
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:32:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr7.033225.29814
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

x90townsen12@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>The Wolverines can talk the game, but can they play the game?
they are obviously still better at talking.  or maybe 
crying now too.

>Believe me, they can PLAY the game!
true, impressive for bigheaded jerks.

>Now there's only one last team to convince.
bzzzzt.  you have to convince me too, and wont.

>Duke is goin' down!
yeah, down to Cameron with another trophy.  good call.

::j