From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:12:53 GMT

In article <183066@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.190000.7971@sunspot.noao.edu> brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>>Ok, here I go again, steppin' in composte:-)
>
See I told you I'd jump deep in it, sure wished I'd brought my hip boots
though, no fear hear though:-)
>


>>Question, is this or is this not a recreational
>>newsgroup(rec.music.gdead)? So we need this highly technical
>>disscusion on how it is the Dead manage to Jam so well.
>
>It beats a number of other topics hands-down.

So it looks, this has become damn serious business this being a
deadhead, its not enough to enjoy music but now I must now know every
nuance of every note played, I can see keeping setlists will become
a major chore at shows, when they resume, not just titles but 
we'll need to have exact discriptions of what type jams were 
played. And then we'll start seeing flame-wars on what type
jam it really was, better get some more "nomex" suits.

>>
>>Question, is not Phil the only schooled musician in the group, and
>>thus probably the only one who is able to offically grasp these
>>great technical discussions.
>
>Phil was schooled on the trumpet.  I have a number of musical friends with
>little or no formal training in music, yet they would find these posts to
>be very interesting.  The Dead have been musicians for over thirty years...
>being intelligent souls, I am sure they have more than enough intelligence
>and time to be very familiar with the concepts and entailing jargon that have
>been found in these discussions.
>

Jeeze can't even grasp sarcasam, jesting and general
tomfoolerie(sp?):-)

Will a smilie help a little,guess really it's not sarcasam, more like
spoofing.

>>So is it the combined opinion of the group that these discussions
>>of brilliant understanding of musical education should continue
>>or would it not be best for those concerned to take this discussion
>>to email or start their own group tech.music. anaylisis of gdead:-)
>
>It is the combined opinion of my eyeballs and brain cells that these 
>discussions continue in a public forum.  I can't speak for the others who
>read this group.  As a matter of fact, this is a relatively freeform area
>of cyberspace in which anyone can contribute anything they choose; it helps
>if it concerns the Dead, but has never seemd mandatory.  Even those (IMHO)
>lame Neil Diamond "jokes" seem to have a place here.

So I asked for the combined opinion of the group and got it and more,
I've alwasy said the anything related to the Dead gets you more than
your money's worth. :-) :-) :-)

But I was also reflecting in stealth spoof mode, or is that modal:-),
the mirror image of many numerous posts in the past to stimie the
freeforum asspects of this group, I do see a smilie at the end of
my statement, is it too close to the end.   :-) :-) :-)


>This thread is one of the best I've read on this group in many a month, and
>I thank the contributors to it immensely.
> 

I'm not sure of that, it's all pretty good;-)

>>A thought if Phil is the only "educated" musician in The Dead, how
>>is it that they have managed to do so well over the years playing
>>all this highly technical educated modal type music? Could it come
>>naturally or is it a developement caused by a high rate of experience
>>and experimentation.
>>
>It seems to me to be a natural inclination to play what they do, yet it is 
>strongly buttressed by the length of time they have been practicing this
>profession and all that ANY responsible person would learn formally about 
>their trade in the time they have spent doing so.  Not all effective 
>training needs to (or does) come from a formal college or university education.
>
I think this is what I was saying, you got so caught up with the
flaming you lost sight of what you were flamin', sorry I was not
direct in my wording but if everything was explicit and layed out
where would the fun be in life, no adventure and excitment:-) :-) :-)


>So, thanks again to those who have taken the time to provide the musical
>analysis of the band, and I strongly encourage you to keep it going.  I'm
>learning quite a bit from it!

Thanks y'all, just remember to listen to the music as a whole, when
you got all those notes picked to peices, and scattered, and remember
listen to the heart and soul, they'll guide you to the true essense
of the music.

And Jerry take care, get well and look out these guys are hot on your
heels their going to figure out how you do what you do, but I'll bet
they still won't have the sparkelin' essense that make your music
so unique to you alone, and try pickin' on that old steel-pedal
again I miss it, you are the best IMHO!
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