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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Short/Fat Linebackers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:30 GMT

I've recanted my statement on Rohan Marley a Miami linebacker,
who at 5'8" and 200 lb sounded short/fat for a linebacker.

In combing the rosters for the Big East Conference I've come
across the following:

Pittsburgh:
Maurice Washington     LB    5'9   235   Jr.

But, I suppose Harry Bloomberg once saw him on the way to
the pool and swears "he's built like a brick wall."

In the Big East, I found 8 LB's under 6'0".  Miami had 3;
BC, VTech, and WVU had none.  Heaviest LB under 6'0 was
Rutgers' Jamil Jackson at 5'11" 249lb.


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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: You make the call
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:20:24 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 10866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.214529.24596@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>>This is a fake scenario and maybe a dumb question. I don't have answers and li
>ke
>>to ask yours:
>>
>>Scenario: ND 27, USC 23, 0:03 left 4Q, USC has the ball, 1st down and 10 at th
>eir
>> own 20-yard line.
>>
>> Pass complete, the receiver broke off all the tackles and heading to the end
>> zone. All the ND defenders are at least 10 yards away and it looks like a for
>> sure winning TD, time runs out.
>>
>> With no hope to stop this run, one of the ND players from the sideline rushes
>> into the field (illegally of course) and tackles down the USC receiver before
>> he reaches the endzone. What's the call?

Uh, in this particular case (with a sideline player stopping a TD that otherwise
couldn't be stopped) I think the TD has to be awarded.  It wouldn't be right to
just give the fouled team the ball at the 1 because then it no longer becomes a
sure TD.  If you didn't award the TD, then you would set a dangerous precedent
for this tactic being used (wouldn't you rather at least give your defense a
shot to stop the other team from your 1 instead of allowing the breakaway TD to 
score?)


>>
>> Similar situation, suppose there is one ND defender tracing the runner. While
>> there is no hope to tackle the runner, he face-masks him and bring him down.
>> What's the call? I believe that this won't be a USC win, probably 15-yard
>> beyond the foul and one more play? In that case, I think the ND defender make
>s
>> right decision.
>
>The game, the half, or the quarter cannot end on a defensive penalty.
>Technically, I think the answer would be that USC would get one additional play
>after a 15 yd. markoff (or, a half-the distance markoff) in either scenario.
>If there is another penalty against the defense on the ensuing play, they would
>get another chance.
>
>Both situations are highly unlikely (not to mention downright slimy on the part
>of defensive players).  You usually see this rule put into effect at the end of
>a game when a quarterback throws a prayer-ball toward the end zone and a
>defensive back interferes with a receiver, but it is still a pretty rare
>occasion.
>
>I have never heard of a situation such as you have described in a football 
>game;  if this really has happened before, I would love to hear the details.
>
>PDunn
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: More good news for Wisconsin...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:03:27 GMT
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Just a day after Carl McCullough announced a verbal commitment to UW, the
Badgers got another Parade All-American tailback to verbally commit. Royce
"Rocket" Roberson, a 6-2, 210-pounder who was nicknamed Rocket because of
comparisons to Raghib Ismail, will be attending UW. Both McCullough and
Roberson are among the nation's top 10 running backs according to recruiting
analyst Tom Lemming.

"What is there not to like about Wisconsin," asked Roberson who had 27 TDs
and 1,939 rushing yards last year. "I loved my visit, they have a good  
approach to the running game, they don't want to move me from my position and
I believe Wisconsin has a legitimate chance to win the Big Ten in 1993-'94.
I figured this was my chance to be part of what is becoming a winning          
tradition. Wisconsin's the place for me. It was real close between Wisconsin
and Illinois, so I had a sheet with a bunch of facts of what I liked about 
Illinois and Wisconsin on it, and what I didn't like about them too. It came
up Wisconsin all the way."

Said Lemming, "They just might have their own version of the Pony Express.
This is just an incredible coup for Barry Alvarez--two major catches in 24
hours. And the way things are looking, Wisconsin is having a great run of
things right now."

Not only did Roberson commit, but Reggie Torian, a 6-3, 181-pound WR from
South Holland, Ill., joined the '93 class. Torian has been electronically
timed at 4.29 in the 40. He played just one season of competitive football,
catching 13 passes for 360 yards and 4 TDs. One major reason he has decided 
on UW over Texas, Michigan State, UCLA and Illinois is that Alvarez will let
him run track in addition to playing football.

UW is now looking to get a commitment from Tarek Saleh, a 6-3, 220-pound LB
from West Haven, Conn. Salek is rated 13th among the nation's inside LBs.

Another piece of great news was that Brent Moss has been given an extra year
of eligibility by the NCAA, leaving him as a junior for the upcoming football
season. The new Proposition 69 says that a student who got between a 16.5 and
18 on the ACT as of Sept. '89 would regain the year of eligibility he lost
because of Prop 48. AD Pat Richter doubted that Tracy Webster would get the
extra year of eligibility however.

All in all, a tremendous week for the Badgers!

--salty

 

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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Cowboys, or is it USC vs. UCLA??
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:38:21 GMT

In <1k3tmqINN9da@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:

>Since the Bills are usiing SC practice facilities,and the Cowboys are using
>UCLA's. This has caused sort of the same hoopla before a USC/UCLA game.The
>last time Troy Aikman played in one of those games, his team (UCLA) were
>big favorites,and most people said that he had little chance of losing to 
>the other team (USC). But he came to the came cocky and threw 4 interceptions,
>sacked 10 times,and lost the big game. We'll see if the pros have taught the
>kid (Troy Aikman) anything, or will he lose the big game in typical (Bruin)
>fashion. Stay Tuned and Fight On (BILLS)! :)

>Valdis Kalejs



Gee, Valdis, I don't remember a highly favored Bruin team coming in and
losing to a lesser-regarded USC team this year
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:00:35 GMT

In article <11795@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.173512.7355@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>school they want. There is a _surplus_ of these scholarships, as the natives
>
>This is an interesting claim. I'd like to verify it, any pointers?

Try the Fla. Dept. of Ed., the NEA, or a fed. govt. agency.

>
>>generally don't bother going to college. If one of the Florida Seminoles has
>>a desire to go to FSU, then he or she can simply get one of these scholarships
>>and go. But none have, and that is totally thier decision.
>
>This is a potentially absurd claim. Are you saying definitively that no
>Seminole has ever done this? Are you saying that no Seminole has ever
>attended FSU? 

My point is that no Seminoles, or at least none that I have ever heard of
(since FSU has not had any Seminoles attend that I know of), have done this.
As an anthropology major, maybe I should explain a little bit about this.
Culturally, most native american groups don't put much value in going to
school, working to get rich, or anything that most white protestants would
find perfectly normal. They are less concerned with such material things.
One of my history professors, David Ammerman, who used to run a program to
get native americans to go to college (or at least stay in high-school), 
told me an interesting story about one of the kids who was in this program.
He was talking to the boy about him going to college, and he wondered why
the kid didn't want to go. In response, the kid answered, "Why should I go
to college, I don't need it. I can stay here and fish and hunt...and be with
my family." The value, perceived by you or me, of getting a college education
to advance oneself, wasn't even relative to the kid. The fact that very few
native americans attend colleges is merely a reflection of this general
attitude (which I personally find to be pretty cool) towards life. We, being
of the "western culture", see life as a struggle in which you either win or
lose. Native American culture...at least historically...views the world in
a far less competitive and inherently destructive...cyclical manner. All
thngs come and go eventually...you just live with it and try to be happy.

>
>David Poore
>poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu
>

Kevin

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From: hunter@wpi.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Cowboys, or is it USC vs. UCLA??
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:36:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan26.211750.23953@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>In article <1k3tmqINN9da@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>>Since the Bills are usiing SC practice facilities,and the Cowboys are using
>>UCLA's. This has caused sort of the same hoopla before a USC/UCLA game.
>>Valdis Kalejs
>
>    Right.  Dallas 34  Buffalo 27 (((( NOT EVEN THIS CLOSE<sorry bills>))))
>    You heard it here first.           Dallas 34     Buffalo 13 (no more)
>    -Chris
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From: 78mgb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.m.brown)
Subject: Rutgers Recruits
Keywords: Blue Chip Rutgers Recruiting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:28:18 GMT

Take a look at what Rutgers landed.

Joey Jones made a commitment to Rutgers yesterday.  He's 
6'3", 225 lb. linebacker from Fort Pierce Central High in
Florida, considered to be one of Florida's top 50 players.
He runs the 40 in 4.65, had 85 tackles, 6 sacks, caused 4 fumbles,
blocked 3 kicks, knocked down 6 passes and made Florida's 
first team all state.  He turned down Florida State, Auburn,
Georgia Tech, and W. Virginia.

Earlier in the week, Brian Flowers, 6'1" 180 lb. 
running/defensive back from Horsham-Hatboro High in Pa.
gave a verbal commitment to RU.  Flowers an all-area first teamer
finished the year with 1700 yards rushing and 28 TDs raising his
career totals to over 4700 yards rushing and 58 touchdowns.

Way to go Doug!!!


Andy Brown
amb@hou2h.att.com
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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re: Tennessee recruiting
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:14:36 GMT

In article <ddavidson.75.728230406@cbacc.cba.uga.edu>, ddavidson@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (Dennis Davidson) writes:
|> Could someone post how Tennessee is doing in the recruiting side this year?  
|> thank you in advance 

 I can't tell you any thing about their overall recruiting, but yesterday
they recieved a commitment from Jay Grahm of Concord N.C. Grahm is a running
back who is a Superprep All- American. I don't have his exact stats in front
of me, but I know he rushed for over 4,000 yds. in his career. Tennessee is
also expected to recieve a commitment from Leonard Little, a LB from Ashville
N.C. and another Superprep A-A. The bad news for us Wolfpackers is that these
two aren't coming to Raleigh. The good news is that they aren't going to Chapel
Hill.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: LSU 1993 Schedule Ya'll
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:22:12 GMT
Organization: .


The Bayou Bengal football schedule for 1993:

   Sept. 4  - at Texas A&M
   Sept. 11 - at Mississippi St.
   Sept. 18 - Auburn
   Sept. 25 - at Tennessee
   Oct. 2   - Utah State
   Oct. 9   - at Florida
   Oct. 16  - at Kentucky
   Oct. 23  - IDLE
   Oct. 30  - Ole Miss
   Nov. 6   - at Alabama
   Nov. 13  - IDLE
   Nov. 20  - Tulane
   Nov. 27  - Arkansas
   Dec. 4   - SEC Championship Game in Birmingham


Well, this is the first time I've ever seen more away games than home 
games on our schedule -- and 5 of the 6 will in all likelihood be ranked.
(6 of 7, counting the SEC Championship)

But, alas, the Tigers were road warriors of sorts last year.  We lost
only four outside of Tiger Stadium (0-4) compared to a dismal 2-5 at home.

--J.J.
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:48:20 GMT

In article <11794@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <19JAN199315141725@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>>In article <11769@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes...
>>>than I thought previously. FSU has never graduated a Seminole (unless it
>>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>went unheralded last fall, I doubt it). This is an embarrasment.
>>Why?  I doubt FSU discriminates against minorities, probably has programs 
>>which help them, I don't see that FSU should be *embarrased* about anything
>
>It is an embarrasment because the university utilizes the name and the
>image to help earn millions of dollars a year in many areas, including
>but not limited to: sports marketing, sports paraphanelia marketing, and
>the sale of just about any item with an FSU logo on it. The University

If you are talking about the indian head logo, then you are wrong. That is
property of the Seminole Boosters, an organization completely independent of
the university. Anything that has that logo on it, which is more than half
of the merchandise sold, has to go through that organization...NOT the
university...and the school gets ZERO dollars from that logo (though I think
they do get money for other things). Take up your argument with them. Oh, and
take this crap to email...it's getting annoying.



Kevin 

ps. don't mail me, I dont wanna hear about it.
From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randile the Reptile)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bo Schembechler
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:55:34 GMT
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Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1jpir3INNfoq@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>I am a senior in Comp Sci. at Michigan and I needed one more credit with
>my current schedule to graduate, so I took a Coaching Football class!
 [ ... stuff deleted ...]
>					marty
>

	Sounds familiar. 
I too was a CS major but at Penn State.
I needed a 1 credit fun course and also took football coaching.
(This was back in 1983.) I had Dick Anderson and John Bove. 
At the time, Dick was PSU offensive coordinator. Since that time, 
he went on to coach at Rutgers and now back at PSU as an offensive 
line coach at PSU.  I think Bove is now in the front football office.
Most of this class was devoted to skills, drills, and offensive/
defensive schemes. It was quite fun and I learned a lot.
My brush with greatness was running into Joe Paterno in
the "little boy's room"!!!

Randy Rohrer
PSU '83



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Subject: Re: You make the call
From: <SHUMAVON@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 15:19:21 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

NCAA rules allow for the referee to "enforce any penalty he considers equitable
, including awarding a score."  This applies to any obviously unfair act not sp
ecifically covered by the rules.  In the first scenario (anyone coming on to th
e field, player or fan) the referee would likely award a TD and USC would win b
y two points (no need for the try).  In the second scenario it seems difficult
to be able to bring down the runner with the face-mask only (if you're that clo
ase you're making the tackle); but if in the judgment of the official, a TD wou
ld have been scored without the occurance of the foul, they would likely award
a TD as well with USC winning by two.
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue (Bill ))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Trivia Answer #6
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:16:53 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Question: How many footballs does the home team supply for an NFL game?     
                    
  Answer: 24

  bill

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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Jammi German 
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:16:29 GMT

In article <C17uE1.439@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>In <1993Jan18.182437.16860@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>| The Syracuse Herald-Journal recently reported that ``sources say'' Jammi
>| German is headed to Miami.  I know he visited the 'Cuse this weekend, but 
>| if he's already set on Miami then maybe the visit was only a formality.
>| Does anyone have any info on whether German is even considering SU still?
>
>
>Miami's CaneSports sports rag, has made Jammi the key to make or break
>the Miami's freshman class.   Miami wants him more than any other player.

How is this guy and what's his position, etc.?  Now that college season is
over, I don't really follow the 'Canes off-season events.  How's the
recruiting going, anyways?  I hear they're getting most of South Dade's
best.

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: You make the call
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:17:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.000238.4933@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
> This exact situation *did* occur in a Cotton Bowl game back
> in the '40s (?) -- Rice vs. Alabama (?)...

The Bama player's name is Tommy Lewis.  The Rice player he tackled is
Dickey Moegle.  The game was the 1954 Cotton Bowl.  When asked about
the play, Lewis explained "I guess I'm just too full of Bama."  I've
seen replays of that play and it is really funny.  Moegle appeared to
be within 10 yards of the sideline.  Lewis came off the bench to make
the tackle, then ran back to the sideline and acted like nothing had
happened.  As if several thousand fans wouldn't notice.

Lewis is now a State Farm insurance agent in Huntsville, AL.  He used
to be my agent.  I hear he enjoys Gibson's Barbeque and iced tea. :-)

> Now I don't know what the rule book says, or how it would be
> ruled today, but Rice was awarded the touchdown...

I believe Rice was awarded the touchdown.  Rice won the game 28-6,
so 7 points either way wouldn't change the outcome.  I think giving
the team the TD is reasonable if there were no eligible defenders
within reasonable range.  If it was a close call, I would favor giving
the offense the ball on the 1 yard line and eject the player who came
off the bench.

Of course George Teague's play in the Sugar Bowl might raise some
doubts about the definition of reasonable range.  Sorry, Miami fans.
I just couldn't resist mentioning that play just one more time. :-)

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Subject: Re: You make the call
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:47:40 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
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In article <1k76ocINNl95@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>, ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
>   So now, let's consider one last scenario with the situation the same as
>   described by TJFAN above.  This time USC runs for a touchdown as time
>   expires but a SoCal receiver is flagged for clipping at the ND 25
>   yardline.  ND accepts the clipping penalty, thereby negating USC's
>   touchdown.  What's the call?  The game-cannot-end-on-a-defensive-penalty
>   "rule" seems to imply that the game CAN end on an offensive penalty.  If
>   so, the game ends at that point and ND is the winner.  However, Approved
>   Ruling 3-2-3-V, above, suggests that USC would have the ball at ND's 40
>   and with one more chance to win the game.
>
>Are you suggesting that the offensive team could indefinitely prolong a game by
>committing consecutive fouls (say offensive holding)?  If that's true, a team
>should have it's QB look for an "advantageous" hail-mary situation first.  Then
>if the QB decides he can't make the throw, a offensive lineman would tackle a
>defensive lineman, and the QB would throw the ball away.  Then the offense
>would get another try at a hail-mary.

If I understood Schmidt's writing, the penalty has to be accepted for
there to be another down.  So I would assume that if the penalty is
declined, game is over.
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