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From: p00056@mail.psi.net (dal)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: FN-FAL
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:29:34 GMT
Organization: 1st Penn Pacific Life Ins.

Does anyone know of a source for FN-FAL's....

Dave
From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Mail order
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:01:37 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

You can save alot of money by mail ordering gun supplies.  I'm got tired
of paying too much, and the gun dealer never having what I wanted in stock.
Sometimes the dealer says he will order something, but never does.  Just 
say no, to high prices and bad selection.

You need an FFL license to mail order firearms, except for black powder
and air guns.  You can mail order ammo, but you have to fill out a special
form for Pistol ammo.  Get ahold of a copy of Shotgun News.  It has adds for
all kinds of mail order gun stuff.  You can get a subscription for $20
a year.  You get an issue 4 times a month.  Here is their address:

Shogun News (This is the book your gun dealer doesn't want you to read)
PO Box 669
Hastings, NE 68902
1-800-345-6923

Here are 2 vendors who sell guns, ammo, supplies and just about 
everything by mail order.  They take Visa card for telephone orders:

Spartan Supply Co.
PO Box 310
Hixton, TN 37343
1-800-251-3904 for orders
1-615-899-5742 for info
Catalog $4.50, free with order

Nachez Shooters Supply
PO Box 22247
Chattanooga, TN 37422
1-800-251-7835
Catalog $4.50, free with order

Here are some other vendors for gun and reloading supplies.  Most of these
will send you a free catalog if you call the 800 number:

Midway Arms (reloading supplies, accessories, free shipping most of the time)
5875-L W. Van Horn Tavern Rd.
Columbia, MO 65203
1-800-243-3220

Competition Specialties (Good quality low cost lead bullets, free shipping)
PO Box 451-B
Osceola, Iowa 50213
1-800-369-4481

Cobray (Assault accessories, kits, magazines and more)
PO Box 813218
Smyma, GA 30081
1-800-526-2729 1-800-5-COBRAY

Arapaho Trading Post (Large capacity magazines, Rifle stocks, low prices)
PO Box 401
Lake George, CO 80027
1-800-748-3410

Gander Mountain (Reloading supplies, Black powder, hunting, camping, fishing)
PO Box 248                                  (shipping and handling are extra)
Wilmot, WI 53192-0248
1-800-558-9410

Charlies Militaria (Army Surplus, both US and Foreign)
2117 S. Air Depo Rd
Midwest City, OK 73110
1-800-654-4795

Guardian (Stun guns, pepper gas, books on self defense, etc)
22444 North 19th Ave
Pheonix, AZ 85027
1-800-527-4434
From: mhare@unlinfo.unl.edu (michael hare)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Hunting & Fishing Books
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:57:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

I have the following books for sale.  Conditions are described with the
following - NG (Near Good), G (Good), VG (Very Good), n (not present).
Condition is always listed as Book Condition/Dust Jacket Condition.

If you would like any of the titles listed all you have to do is e-mail
me then send me your check.  I'll hang on to the book until your check
clears then if you are within the U.S. I'll pay to mail it to you.  If
you want a book but are outside the U.S. please add $3.00 for postage and
pay in U.S. funds.

1. Bates, Joseph D. (Jr.); Spinning for American Game Fish, Little Brown,
1953, G/n. $6.00

2. Bergman, Ray; Trout, Knopf, 1976, G/G, $10.00

3. Brister, Bob; Shotgunning, the Art and Science, Winchester Press, 1976,
VG/VG, $15.00

4. Elman, Robert; All About Deer Hunting in America, Winchester Press, 1976,
VG/n, $10.00

5. Evanoff, Vlad; Fishing Secrets of the Experts, Doubleday, 1962, G/n, $8.00

6. Gilsvin, Bob; All-Season Hunting, a Guide to Early Season, Late Season, and
Winter Hunting, Winchester Press, 1976, VG/VG, $10.00

7. Hoover, Herbert; Fishing for Fun and to Wash Your Soul, Random House, 1963,
1st ed., VG/VG, $8.00

8. Kelley, Robert F.; The Sportsman Anthology, Howell Suskin, 1944, 1st ed.,
G/n, $6.00

9. Klingner ; Rifle Shooting as Sport, Barnes, 1980, 1st US ed., VG/n, $5.00

10. Marinaro, Vincent C.; In the Ring of the Rise, Crown, 1976, 1st, NG 
(minor damage to headcap)/NG, $20.00

11. Mitchell, Edwin Valentine; Great Fishing Stories, Garden City Publishing,
1948, G/n, $5.00

12. Rice, F. Philip; America's Favorite Fishing, a Complete Guide to Angling
for Panfish, Outdoor Life, 1964, 1st ed., G/n, $8.00

13. Sparano, Vin T.; Complete Outdoors Encyclopedia, Harper & Row, 1980,
G/G, $8.00

14. Spiller, Burton L.; More Grouse Feathers, Crown, 1972, 1st ed., VG/G,
$15.00

15. Strung, Norman; Hunter's Almanac, Macmillan, 1971, 1st ed., $8.00

16. Ulrich, Heinz; How the Expert's Catch Trophy Fish, Barnes, 1969,
1st ed., VG/VG, $8.00

17. Woods, Shirley E. (Jr.); Gunning for Upland Birds & Waterfowl,
Winchester Press, 1976, G/G, $8.00

Thanks for your attention.  All e-mail replies can be sent to
mhare@unlinfo.unl.edu
From: ames!data.rain.com!john@cs.UMD.EDU (John Mantey)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re^2: Cast Bullets and "big bore" loads... and 9 mm?
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:11:55 GMT

In rec.guns you write:

#andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman) writes:

##I've looked all through Shotgun News and I didn't find a single
##supplier of cast bullets in rifle diameters.  I'm specifically
##interested in .308, .311, .338, .375, and .458, but it wouldn't hurt
##me to find .224 as well.  I want gas checks.

#I just started reloading 9 mm and I found a similar dearth of cast
#(non-jacketed) bullets for 9 mm.  I literally tried every gun shop in 
#Boulder (Ok, well, there are only three) and found none.  I also got
#a lot of mixed signals concerning their utility.  Some said they weren't 
#worth loading in 9 mm since velocities have to be kept low to minimize
#bullet melting and barrel leadding.  Others said they were the best thing
#since sliced bread.  

Liberty Bullets in Hillsboro, OR has several calibers of lead bullets.
I don't have the address handy, so I'll defer posting that.

Bullets I KNOW they make:

	.224 45gr RN  (require gas checks)
	9mm 124gr TC (truncated cone) 
		     (they also have RN bullets, unknown weight)
	.308 110gr RN

I know they produce many other calibers, but since the cals. above are
the only ones I load for they're all I know exist.  These are all HARD
lead bullets, and have a shinier appearance than soft lead.  I haven't
used the .224 bullets because I don't have any way of getting the gas
checks on.  The 9mm bullets seem to be pretty good though I have found
I really don't like the TC style.  The guy at the gun store that
supplies me with these bullets claims to use the .308's in his 30/06
rounds for varminting and plinking.

[MODERATOR:  John subsequently posts the address .... ]

Newsgroups:     rec.guns
From:           ames!data.rain.com!john@cs.UMD.EDU (John Mantey)
Subject:        Liberty Bullets:  (was 9mm/big bore bullets)

Well as promised here is the address for Liberty bullets.  (Finally
remembered to bring the address in 8-)

Liberty
POB 357
Hillsboro, Or 97123


John Mantey    john@data.rain.com                   Microtek International, DSD
               ...uunet!intelhf!percy!data!john     3300 NW 211th Terrace
Those who know what's best for us,                  Hillsboro, Or 97124
Must rise and save us from ourselves. -Rush-        503-645-7333 x321
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Diff between 40 S&W/10mm and 10mm Auto Dies.
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:50:54 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

C.T.Teo@massey.ac.nz (C.T. Teo) writes:
#Re: Diff between 40 S&W/10mm and 10mm Auto dies.
#What is the difference between Lee 40 S&W/10mm and a 10mm Auto dies set?
#Can the 10mm Auto dies be use to load 40 S&W case?
#Either email or post (with Moderator's permission ?). Thanks

Lee, whom I use for .45 and 9mm, has both a .40/10mm die and one
that is marked 10mm only.  As a rule of thumb, the shorter one can
be used for both, ie: the .38/.357 die is more versitile than the 
.357 only die.

I don't see any reason to get the longer one for this reason.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A few reloading questions
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:33:25 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <1992Jul21.174908.2090@igor.tamri.com>, by donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin):
# I figure I'm going to end up getting into reloading my own ammo before
# too long.  I was wondering:
# 
# 1. Can the same reloading tools be used to reload pistol, rifle and
#    shotgun shells?

In general, no.  I believe RCBS's Ammomaster (?) can do all
three.  At any rate, I have seen a press in someone's catalog
that could.

# 2. I realize that rifle and pistol gun powder are different, with the
#    pistol powder burning faster and being inapropriate for rifle shell
#    loading.  Where do shotgun shells fit in?  Do they require yet a
#    third flavor of powder?

Many popular pistol powders started life as shotshell powders
WW452AA (discontinued) for one.

# 3. A small safety manual came with my 1953 Enfield and it said that
#    only military surplus ammo should be used with it.  Is it at all
#    possible to reload .303 British for the Enfield or is surplus the
#    ONLY way to go?

I know at least one guy who reloads .303, I'm not certain that it
is an Enfield though.

# 4. Will reloading make my shooting habit so inexpensive that I spend all
#    my free time at the range, inspiring my wife to leave me?
#

Hmm, teach her to shoot.  In general, reloads will cost from just
over a quarter to about half as much as factory loads. 

May I recommend one of the Lyman books on reloading?  I have
found them to be the most interesting and informative of the
lot. 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: world
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:53:56 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I'm interested in people's opinions of those aftermarket AR-15
90-round drum magazine devices you see advertised for 50-60 bucks.
Also, anyone know of any gunshows in MA coming up?  Finally, can you
be forced to submit to a search simply for walking down the street
with a case that might contain a rifle?  What if it were a "violin" case?
All you need is an FID, but I can just imagine what would happen when some
officer opens up the case and sees an AR-15.  (He'd start dribbling my
face on the sidewalk, I'd wager.)  What should I say, if he asks,
"What's in that case?"  Do I have to tell him what's in there?
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: +P in old S&W snubbies
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:29:54 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <58769@mimsy.umd.edu>, cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
# This has been bugging me, so I thought I'd ask for the experiences of The
# Net. (I'll ignore what you say anyway, so don't hesitate to lead me astray
# through bad advice 8^) I have an old S&W Chief's Special (it's no later
# than mid-sixties, judging from the flat cylinder latch), and I'm wondering
# about shooting +P in it.
# 
# Yes I know: the gun is not rated for +P. I also know that shooting +P in
# isn't going to blow it up instantaneously--if anything, repeated use of hot
# ammo will distort the steel frame. (Right???) I'm thinking of putting maybe
# 5 rounds of +P through it just to make sure nothing breaks at that pressure
# range, and then just leave the +P for emergencies.
# 
# OK, so lay it on me: am I nuts? Excessively fearful? Better yet, have you
# tried this (and lived)?
# 

On a side note: IMHO, it is less than wise to have "defense" loads which 
you never use except when under extreme stress.  The whole purpose of 
practicing is to become comfortable with the weapon AND round.  +P rounds
are likely to find a different point of impact than other ammo.

Add to that a good adrenaline rush and the added kick, muzzle flash, 
and volume of the blast and you have a recipe for screwing up royally 
under pressure.  

Practicing with your "defense" round is no guarantee that you won't freak
out under pressure, but it does improve your odds of staying focused on
the task at hand and hitting the attacker (as opposed to a family member
or a neighbor).
-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
From: TTC103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: FN 49
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:10:05 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I am looking for a FN 49 in 7x57mm.  I would like to know the price range
and sources in Pennsylvania.  Any information would be greatly appriciated.
Thanx.
From: cccbbs!don.gerdes@uceng.uc.edu (Don Gerdes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: SPONSORS
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:34:34 GMT
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248

In a mailing from the U.S. Shooting Team regarding the olympic coverage,
it was said only two non-gun related companies were contributors: Coca
Cola and Champion Products.  I sent the following letter to the
addresses below to thank them.  A few more letters or postcards would
help the cause

{your address}
{date}

Mr. Roberto C. Goizueta
Chairman, Coca Cola Corporation
One Coca Cola Plaza
Atlanta, Georgia  30313

Dear Mr. Goizueta:
---------------------------
{your address}
{date}

Mr. Roger Holland
President and CEO, Champion Products, Inc.
3141 Monroe Avenue
Rochester, New York  14618

Dear Mr. Holland:

Thank you very much for your corporate sponsorship of the U.S.
Shooting Team in the 1992 Olympics.

You have taken a courageous step in the face of media giants,
celebrities, and other corporations that might label you a
pariah.  When the politically correct thing to do is, at minimum,
ignore guns, you chose to give your active support to athlete
shooters whose mental and physical discipline, stamina, sharpened
skills, and American winning spirit is second to none in any area
of sport.

We may never see your product advertised on NBC in conjunction
with shooting sports, but you have hit your mark already with us
beleaguered few who enjoy the Challenge of the Match.



Yours truly,



{your name}


P.S.  Are you aware of the fast-paced clay target competition
called "Starshot" on Cable Network ESPN?  It is designed for
television and offers an up-close look at the skills and fun
involved in competitive shooting.  Then there a number of hunting
and fishing programs on The Nashville Network (TNN), and others
syndicated to broadcast channels...
Levity aside, thank you for your sponsorship.
From: jackson@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Dwight Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: (null)
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:44:38 GMT

RE: (started out as Garand questions...)

::From alberta!ubc-cs!destroyer!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!\
::mimsy!jupiter.ame.arizona.edu Tue Jul 21 08:07:55 MDT 1992
::
::  . . . 
::
::#The Garand was also used in Nam.  As you may have observed, when
::The US Army were already buying M16 in the hundreds of thousands in 
::1958 - 1961, so I guess very few VC had the good fortune to run into
::an M1.
::
::  . . . 
::
::Could that just be a rehash of the old WWII legend?
::

Speaking of rehashing of VN legends...Colt began mass production of the M16
in March of 1964.  (just when all the design and ammo problems were first
*discovered*)  Lots of time for the VC to get used to this t-ting sound...

Source: (page 153)

The M16 Controversies - Military Organizations And Weapons Acquision
Thomas L. McNaugher
Praeger Special Studies, New York, 1984
isbn 0-03-063632-9

...dwight
From: C.T.Teo@massey.ac.nz (C.T. Teo)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Georgia - Land of Paradise for Progunners???
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:53:23 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand

Re: Georgia - Land of Paradise for Pro-gunners???

Our local TV Frontline programme shown a few minutes clip on firearms ownership
in the State of Georgia, USA. Beside showing the residents (young and old)
carrying firearms in the open, it was said that the crime rates are
comparatively low and that (listen to this) it is MANDATORY for household to
possess firearm(s)!!! It this true???

In New Zealand with a population of over 3M, I was told that the number of
firearm licences for restricted weapons(small arms) is less than 3000 and these
are strictly for sporting purpose. Essentially, you are permitted to carry
the restricted weapon from your residence to the shooting range and back ONLY.
Although my understanding was that there are over 300,000 general firearm licences (for rifles and shotguns) in this
country.

GEORGIA here I come...........


C.T.Teo@massey.ac.nz
Massey University
New Zealand.
From: rane+@cs.cmu.edu (Aaron Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Purchased 1st handgun
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:34:58 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Well - today I ordered a GLOCK 21.  I debated heavily
with myself on the Beretta vs. SIG (226), decided on 
SIG.  Checked prices on SIG, decided on GLOCK. ;-)

The best price I could get for a 226 with kkote was
$642 out the door.  The best price on the GLOCK I 
could get was $470 out the door.I just couldn't 
justify the extra $170 right now.  Perhaps for 
xmas ;-)  Well, the dealer should have it in this
weekend. Can't wait.Oh - on GLOCK triggers - the
distributor said only the 5 and 8 lb options
were available - the 12 lb was for a custom
order for the chicago PD (this of course is what 
he said mind you) so I got the 8 lb.

Later,

Aaron
-- 
Aaron Hughes        DoD#0482   		The Freedom Junkie	
rane+@pulsar.fac.cs.cmu.edu		Bad cop. No donut.
From: danield@crash.cts.com (Daniel Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which Semi-Auto should I buy?
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:52:34 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

(James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#stx@msus1.msus.edu writes:
##My needs are simple.  I want a semi-auto that is accurate (plinking of course
##but I plan to target shoot a lot when working up reloads.)  I also want a gun
##that I can rely on for home defense if necessary. I would also like it to have
##a fairly decent magazine capicity. 11+.  I am a large person with big hands.
##would want adjustable sights but I realize these can be added after the
##purchase of the gun.  I would like the gun to be reliable 
`
[Lots of good info about various handguns deleted to save space.]

#First: if you reload, ammo cost is meaningless wrt caliber choice.   Any
#one of these calibers is as cheap to reload for as any other.  If you do
#no reload, and want _cheap_ shooting, then 9mm is the only way to go.  
#The others are like $15-20/box vs $8-12 box for 9mm.
#
Also consider buying factory re-loads.  I spend about $7.50/50rounds of
.45ACP when getting re-laods, and returning the brass.  The same reloads
with out returning brass run about $11.50.  The only problem with returning
the brass is that my Para-ordenence P14-45 likes to realy throw the empty cases
all over creation.  Like many 1911-a1 type pistols, It's rather rude with the
brass.

[Lots of good information about various calibers deleted.]

##45ACP:      All the gunwriters and target shooters darling.  Lots of reloading
##	choices.  Big bullets at a low velocity.  Low mag cap because of size
##	of bullet.  Recoil?  Availability is excellent.
#
#Or big bullets at a high velocity.  +P loads do 1100 + fps.   The mag
#cap thing is not very important, really.   The Glock .45 holds 13+1 rds.
#My little Astra holds 9+1.  A Colt holds 7+1 or 8+1, but so what?

The Full size Para-Oredenance p14-45 holds 13+1, and the compact P13-35
hold 12+1.  I don't find the recoll of my P14 objectionable.  Actualy, I like
it more than the recoll/jump of my roomate's .357 revolver.

#	My feeling is that you will be happy with whatever you get.  I
#would avoid 9mm, though, unless you are very adverse to powerful calibers
#for some reason.         ;-) 

This is true.   My only Suggestion would be to goto a range that rents handguns
and try the Guns you are interested in before you buy them. That way you can
a good Idea of waht feels good to *YOU*.  You may find taht a gun you think 
looks good on paper just dosent fit you hand right, or vice versa.  

Before I tried a Para-ordenance, I thought they would be too large, and blocky
for my hand.  However, after firing one, I bought one because they fit my hand
very well, and I am comfortable with using it.
 
Good luck on picking out a new handgun! (You might also want to check out
the used guns at a reputable Gun Shop.  You can get some real deals on 
guns that other people bought, and then decided they didn't like.)
 
Daniel
From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: $5000 Shopping Spree
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:37:14 GMT
Organization: Apex Computer Company

##From article <1992Jul23.000854.4178@athena.mit.edu>, by sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman):
## What about "Puff the Magic Dragon"--a 20mm self-powered gatling gun with
## six chambers.  Must be six or eight inches in diameter and cylindrically
## shaped, weighing in at 40 pounds or more.  You pick it up, squeeze
## the trigger, and the chambers spin around unleasing shots until the belt
## runs out.  Is this PTMD or maybe a "GE Chain Gun."  Are these transferable?
## My dream vacation would be a trip to Arizona wastelands with one of these
## machine gatling cannons, 1000 watermelons, and a mile-long belt rolled up
## on a giant spool.  I'd set the watermelons down in a pattern around me,
## put on my ears, pick up the cannon, and Rock 'n Roll. . . .
## 
## And some would say there's no "sporting purpose" for a 20mm cannon.  Not so.

Try several hundred pounds (without ammo or magazine).
Needs 15-20 horsepower external power to run.

20mm versions are generally not belt feed.
The cases are delinked during the loading process into a magazine.

The GE guns have been made in a lot of variations running at least
from 5.56 to 30mm.

The 20mm version are NOT picked up and fired.  They are mounted
weapons, mostly in aaircraft. Think about it.
20 mm is around .78 inch.  Imagine if you will the recoil of one round.
Now run it at 1000 rounds per minute.  Are you big enough?
From: rane+@CS.CMU.EDU (Aaron Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Sig P220 vs. Glock 21
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:18:55 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <9207232219.AA08314@Corp.Sun.COM>, davy.thomas@Corp.Sun.COM (Davy Thomas - N.A. Solution Center) writes:
|> #I like Glocks, but you have to recognize that they can be a pain, since
|> #once a round is chambered you have to either shoot it or else pull the
|> #magazine and rack the slide to "safe" the weapon against a simple
|> #trigger pull.
|> 
|> Isn't the method the same for the SIGs (since they have no active
|> saftey, either)?
|> 
|> ---
|> Davy
|> 


Whoa - wait a minute. You have to do all that to safe the Glock? I mean
you'd think the gun was loaded or something  ;-) "Safe the weapon against
a *SIMPLE* trigger pull"? As far as I'm concerned, most guns are safe whether
they are loaded or loaded (since all guns are loaded) as long as you keep your
finger off the trigger.  I don't understand your logic here.  Any gun with a 
finger on the trigger is no longer safe, so you better be pointing it in the right direction when you pull it. There is no such thing as a simple trigger 
pull. Perhaps you could explain further.

Aaron

-- 
Aaron Hughes        DoD#0482   		The Freedom Junkie	
rane+@pulsar.fac.cs.cmu.edu		Bad cop. No donut.