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Info-Hams Digest            Fri, 18 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1335

Today's Topics:
                            DXers (2 msgs)
            Exploding Air Bags? Locking Anti-Lock Brakes?
                      INFO-HAMS is a bogus list?
                         Info on Yaesu FT726?
             Is there a packet BBS at Fairbanks, Alaska ?
                            License delays
        Need help w/ARRL HB gel-cell charger problem (2 msgs)
                              Phonetics
             PLEASE don't send 5X5WR cards to DJ0MAR !!!
                      QSL practices F6FNU, FR5DX
                 Reply to: INFO-HAMS DIGEST V92 #1327
                 SMC: "Above and beyone the call..."
                 WEFAX format == News Photo format ?
                      Worked All States blues...

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Date: 18 Dec 92 18:57:31 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: DXers
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

OK, Bob Smits VE7EMD finally stirred me to response on this thread!!

First, Bob, you're a brother ham and I respect your point of view....for no
reason other than it's yours and you're entitled to it. However, I disagree.

First, DXers aren't necessarily a "subculture" of Ham Radio....way,way back
"DXing" ....that is, trying to make as many contacts as possible over the
greatest distance possible....was the main way that improvements were
developed and demonstrated. The competitive aspect of it all goes to the
very roots of Amateur Radio, and if it were not for such appeal to the
competitive nature of those pioneers, I daresay the technology might not
have progressed so rapidly. You can measure that in terms of prestige, or
satisfaction or money profits, but it's all based in competition.

So (IMHO) it might be just as fair to say that the rest of Ham Radio is
really a spin-off of DXing, rather than the way you put it, Bob.

Again IMHO.....Ham Radio as a whole seems to be considered by most to be
a "hobby".....but most DXers I know look on their activities as a SPORT...
and like most sports, there are your more laid-back, weekend practitioners
(like your neighbor, the golf duffer who just enjoys 18 holes on Sat morning
for the exercise) and you have your pros, like Arnie Palmer who eat, drink,
and breathe golf....in between, there are many levels of capability, interest,
expertise, dedication, investment, and competition. All the weekend golfers
I know look up to those pros, watch the competition eagerly as fans, and
learn the finer points from them. Of course, some of the pros on the
circuit are real jerks and the rest of the pros will be the first to say so.
It's that way among DXers, too.....the good ones deplore the kind of
behavior and tactics that started this thread in the first place.

So, Bob....my friend....please don't toss the baby out with the proverbial
bathwater.....condemn the behavior.

Sorry for hogging the soapbox for so long..... 73, Jerry K1MER

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Date: 18 Dec 92 18:59:24 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: DXers
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I take exception to the extreme negativity in the post by Robert Smits, VE7EMD:

=========================
What I dislike most about DX'ers in general, not just the rude and/or
crude ones, is the effect thay have had on ham radio in general. Instead
of encouraging people to reach out to each other, to learn about
different customs, cultures and ways of life, dxing (and its attendant
<etc. etc.>
=========================
Really?! Where do you get this idea? Most DXers I know enjoy not only high-rate
DXing but also rag-chewing. Most of the DXers in our club (Western
Wash. DX Club)
maintain many on-the-air AND in-person friendships around the world, in
addition to
chasing new ones and working the DXpeditions. And, amateurs were practicing
goodwill toward our counterparts in the ex-Soviet Union long before the
politicians
saw the light.

And I challenge you to name ONE activity that will teach youngsters
world geography
better than DXing.

=========================
Neither am I. The same DX'ers that ignore band edges, etc under the
=========================
Look, I you have proof that someone is violating the regs, why don't
you take some
constructive action (through the CRRL, ARRL, FCC, whomever) instead of
complaining
about it?

=========================
The excesses of the few are natural outgrowths of a sub-culture within
ham radio that encourages contests and awards based on the NUMBER of
contacts one has with other hams, instead of the quality of the contacts.
=========================
What's your definition of a "quality contact?" And what's your problem
with contesting?
I've learned more about propagation by participating in high-rate DX
contests than I'd
ever learn from casual QSOs. Who cares about winning the contest? It's
fun. If you don't
like them, fine, don't participate.

=========================
That rudeness, intolerance for non-DX'ers, and a willingness to violate
the rules grows out of that sub-culture shuld not surprise anyone.
=========================
Well, the DXers I know are tolerant of non-DXers. And rudeness? Yeah, I
hear 2 to 5
rude "freq police" in a pileup of several hundred CW stations. Not a
very high proportion,
I'd say. If you take the time to listen to the people who participate
in the DXpeditions,
they'll tell you that the North American hams are the most courteous of
all. And again,
if you hear on-the-air violations, why don't you do something about it
instead of
generalizing?

I operate 99% CW, but I don't bash the SSB operators. I chase DX, but I
don't bash
the people who have other interests. I like the DXCC papers on my
wall---DXCC is a
nice goal, but I don't bash the amateurs who could care less about
DXCC. Can't we all
be a little more tolerant of each other?

Mike    N6MZ    mikemr@microsoft.com

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Date: 18 Dec 92 19:18:12 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!mac33.util.utexas.edu!miles@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Exploding Air Bags? Locking Anti-Lock Brakes?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I have read messages from time about auto computers frying, ignitions
dying, and automoatic teller machines locking up, all due to mobile rigs.
These are bad side effects, and I wish the FCC would promulgate rules
that such components work properly in the presence of RF fields.

Instead, in the case of my wife's Toyota Camry, the manufacturer simply
put a disclaimer in the owner's manual that you must not install a
transmitter without Toyota's prior permission. I wonder how often they
give such permission  ;-)

A really unpleasant situation would be if air bags popped or anti-lock
brakes locked up when you keyed up a rig. Has anyone reported either of
these phenomena?
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
  _     Miles Abernathy, N5KOB        =
 | |__  miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu       =
_|    | POB 7580, Austin TX 78713     =
\  * /  University of Texas @ Austin  =
  \/    tel. (512) 471-6521           =
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

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Date: 18 Dec 92 19:08:14 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: INFO-HAMS is a bogus list?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

SM7LEK says:

Is this list just a bogus list
made and sent out by someone for his own amusement?

I say, I say, I say:

I think they finally found out.

OK, I'm not really a ham I'm just the alpha version of a new
intelligent agent product from Microsoft. They fed me all the ARRL
technical publications and I just spout out what is needed. You should
have guessed it from the call. The beta should be released in June and
will come preset with the call W7BG. The voice and CW modules will be
released at a later date. The spelling mistakes are all deliberate,
they're just to make me seem more human.

I beleive Al N1AL is a similar construct from Apple (the name is a give
away) running on a Quadra under Pink.

And Gary I beleive is a university research project, he still seems a
little buggy ;-)

IBM is beleived to be working on an SSB operator simulator called
FooBARF for 14313 to run under OS/2 (it is said to be indistingushable
from the real thing) but it'll probably never ship. Their model just
mutters JCL error codes to occupy the frequency (IEHFONPT -- Patch not
legal in this context. Dump follows).

N7WIM -- Now 7 Work In Microsoft
G8UDP -- Grr 8 Unusual Damm Phonetics

Merry christmas, happy hannuka, happy solstice, happy kwanzaa to all
our readers. Beep.

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX


Not enough memory to complete this operation. Close some windows and
try again.

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:31:54 GMT
From: deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec
Subject: Info on Yaesu FT726?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

R0264@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:

>In ARRL Handbook, 1989, The ft726 is described as an example of using
>transversion for multimode vhf and uhf, with an if of 28 Mhz, for a
>rig that has both vhf, uhf, and hf at 10 and 15 meters.  Looks like
>a good idea, but how come Yaesu no longer offers such a rig?
>Are they available used? -- and at what kind of price? -- and is
>there something wrong with the whole concept?

The FT-726R is available on the used market and has been replaced by the
FT-736R.  Expect to pay $650-$950 for a used FT-726R depending upon its
condition and the modules the radio has.  The modules are getting hard to
find, although Ross Distributing has been able to get some of them new.  It
came with a 2 meter module from the factory and you could get modules for:

	- 10,12,15 meters  (all on one module)
	- 6 meters
	- 70 cm 430-440 Mhz
	- 70 cm 440-450 Mhz
	- Satellite Duplex module (allowed full duplex cross band
	  operation, essentially a second IF strip)

Since it could support 2 meter and 70 cm modules which are popular IFs for
UHF transverters, and a 10 meter module was available which is a popular IF
for VHF bands, I guess it could be considered a good rig for transverters.
It doesn't have transverter jacks, so you'd have to bring them out or use a
transverter that could handle the 10W or so each module puts out.  It's a
nice rig for the satellites and a great beginners (old timers too?)  rig
for the no-code tech that want's to get into weak signal work.

And to answer your last question, no there is nothing wrong with the
concept.

73,
Todd
N9MWB

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Date: 18 Dec 92 16:45:04 GMT
From: access.usask.ca!skyfox!phillipsa@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Is there a packet BBS at Fairbanks, Alaska ?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Is there a packet BBS at Fairbanks and if so, what is the address ?
Do you know of any general directory of packet bbs' in north america ?

please reply to    phillips@skisas.usask.ca

Manythanks

andre phillips - ZL3AW - (from downunder - temporarily topside...)

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Date: 18 Dec 92 15:06:21 GMT
From: usc!isi.edu!gremlin!snow!domae@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: License delays
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I talked to the FCC a few days ago, and they said their current backlog
is over 17 weeks.  That's the time from FCC receipt of application to
the time they can mail it out.  So if your VEC takes a few days to process
it you may be up to 18 weeks or so.

I know this is not good news for people waiting for licenses, but I
don't think there is much that really can be done.  Given that
the FCC priorities are elsewhere like Commercial Broadcast, Intl'
Telecommunications, ... I doubt that things like simple license delays
will get much attention. Things like Cell-Phone Fraud and the like I
would think have priority.

However, some letters of support for allowing VECs grant temporary licenses
given this situation may get some attention.  The VECs sort of do this
anyway (e.g., /KT /AG /AA /AE) granting temp. license upgrades ... why not
a /KN???

The only problem I see is that the FCC would have no way of knowing who
a /KN call would be - no data online at the FCC.  So I'm sure the FCC
would want the VECs to submit digital data, or have that data accessible
to the FCC within a certain time period (Maybe like a week).


Terry Domae
| Northrop Research Center	|     Phone/Fax: 310/544-5203 310/377-4271 |
| One Research Park		|      Internet: domae@nrtc.northrop.com   |
| Palos Verdes, CA, 90274-5471	| Amateur Radio: KC6ROI			   |

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:54:31 GMT
From: usc!rpi!rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu!maessm@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Need help w/ARRL HB gel-cell charger problem
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec18.105526.45749@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, heacock@kuhub.cc.ukans.e

|> up the batteries, let it charge for about eight hours, and found that
|> the cells had only charged to about 2 volts--in fact, while I watched,
|> the voltage on the cells dropped about .01 v/sec.

Try putting the charger on trickle charge (you did include that feature, didn't
you?  :)), and leaving the batteries on there for about 24 hours.  After this,
you can return them to full charge.

I've noticed the voltage-lowering behavior on gel-cells that have been drained
to almost zero volts.  You may have to run the cells through a couple of charge-
discharge cycles before they return to normal.

I use the same charger you describe to charge my 12V 6.5AH gel cell.  Works
great, although it gets a little hot while its charging - I modified the circuit
to produce about 1.25A peak current.
--
Mat Maessen   N2NJZ		| maessm@rpi.edu
------------------------------- |-----------------------------------
W2SZ/1 - #1 in the ARRL June VHF QSO Party - again!
--------------------------------|-----------------------------------
The opinions expressed in this message definitely do NOT reflect the
views of RPI, Roland Schmitt, or BAPP
--------------------------------------------------------------------
(c) 1992 Fake-sig Co., Inc.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: 18 Dec 92 19:42:49 GMT
From: hp-cv!hp-pcd!news1.boi.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!news.dt
Subject: Need help w/ARRL HB gel-cell charger problem
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Your cells are bad.  These batteries may -look- new, but if they've been
sitting around (discharged) for years, or if they've been shorted or
left in a product that has been left "on" for a long period, they will
build up a high internal impedance (hence the .3 mA!) and become
permanently destroyed.

Always check the date codes on these beasts; and and pays to carry
around a pocket-sized voltmeter.  Don't buy any that measure less than
12V.  That way you know (1) it is chargeable, and (2) the output
voltage is OK.

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Date: 18 Dec 92 20:52:43 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!devnull!lewis@network.
Subject: Phonetics
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <6027025@FORUM.VA.GOV> BRITTINGHAM.RICHARD_A@FORUM.VA.GOV writes:
>
>
>Could anyone help with phonetics for WD4AEF. Thanks.


Dear WD4AEF:


How about--

OTHER:  QRZ?

WD4AEF:  de WD4AEF.  That's W as in haWaii, D as in baDger, 4 as in 747,
         A as in frAnce, E as in amErican, and F as in inFection.


:)


Charles Lewis          lewis@devnull.mpd.tandem.com
N5TLO & WAR4266

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Date: 18 Dec 92 17:04:56 GMT
From: deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!engage.pko.de
Subject: PLEASE don't send 5X5WR cards to DJ0MAR !!!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I have recently started receiving cards for the recent 5X5WR SSB operation.
I don't know whether those people just made a little mistake copying the QSL
manager's call or whether there has been a typo somewhere in a list of QSL
managers - be it as it may, the correct QSL manager is DL0MAR, not DJ0MAR.
The address is

MAR
P.O. Box 1223
8209 Schlossberg
DW-Germany

I will try to pass any erraneously sent cards directly to DL0MAR (including any
green stamps etc.) but I give no guarantees for the speed and reliability of
this service.

73 de DJ0MAR

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:20:21 GMT
From: csite-kip82.kip-pppl.gov!user@princeton.edu
Subject: QSL practices F6FNU, FR5DX
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1619@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>,
tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton) wrote:
>
> Third time I've tried..hope it works this time.  Any whoooo
> Would all you netters who have any experience (good or bad)
> getting QSLs from FR5DX or stations managed by F6FNU please
> forward to me.  Many of the local packet users and DX'ers
> have complained vehemently about F6FNU and FR5DX.  This is not
> a flame, just a survey.  As a baseline, we all need to remember
> that overseas postage to USA is very expensive and a *green
> stamp* probably does not cut it anymore.
> Thanks in advance for any info. 73, Tom WB4IUX
> ps:  I got my cards from FR5DX (80 - 10 meters), but I had to send
> 5 green stamps .... and I got the card back promptly thru the buro!
>
>
> --
     I have had success with F6FNU using the following:
 .   Euro sized envelope and euro return envelope with neatly-lettered
     addresses.
 .   Mint French postage on the return envelope.
 .   QSL cards neatly and carefully made out.
 .   Crisp green stamp as a "tip."
 .   A note in GOOD French (the XYL is fluent) expressing good wishes,
     telling a little about myself, etc.

     My replies have usually come back in a few weeks.
     Antoine has been known to include a little note to me in French with
     the QSL.

     My experience has been good with most QSL managers, but not all.  Has
anyone on the net EVER received a card for 5B4ADA via K2VHW?  If so, what
worked for you?
                                                73
                                                George, NJ2P

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Date: 18 Dec 92 20:53:00 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Reply to: INFO-HAMS DIGEST V92 #1327
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu


The article posted looking for the Atlas 210 equipment and offering the
Heathkit help in a previous edition of this paper didn't have my name
attached.  My call is WD4AEF and I am good in the callbook or reply to
Brittingham@forum.va.gov
Thanks

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Date: 18 Dec 92 18:51:06 GMT
From: naucse!nauvax.ucc.nau.edu!cvm@arizona.edu
Subject: SMC: "Above and beyone the call..."
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In a previous article, ifjrs@acad3.alaska.edu wrote:

>connections and 10baseT.  Well, OK, I thought.  My NeXT cube has a twisted-
>pair type connector, so no problem, right?  Obviously, I'm a bit naive about
>Ethernet!  On doing some reading, I discovered that I would now need a
>"concentrator" to be able to hook up my 386 to my NeXT.  They turn out to cost
>~$500.

If you only need to connect two machines with 10baseT you don't need a hub.
You can just connect them with a simple crossover cable.  Wire the RJ45
connectors like this:

           Pin #s

     TX+  1 ---- 3  RX+
     TX-  2 ---- 6  RX-
     RX+  3 ---- 1  TX+
     RX-  6 ---- 2  TX-


When looking at the male connector (the one on the cable)  from the end with
the little locking piece of plastic pointing down,  the righmost pin is #1 and
the leftmost is #8.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Michels -- Systems Programmer             cvm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Northern Arizona University -- Flagstaff, AZ    cvm@nauvax.bitnet
Phone: (602) 523-6495                           N7YIU

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:05:52 GMT
From: noc.near.net!news.bbn.com!news.bbn.com!news@uunet.uu.net
Subject: WEFAX format == News Photo format ?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Does anyone know if the format used by AP, Reuters, et. al., to send news
photos is the same FAX format used for WEFAX transmissions.  In other
words, can I copy news photos with my AEA FAX package?  If the answer is
"yes" ... any info. out there for likely frequencies and transmission
times for news photos?

Thanks in advance.

Bruce (brosen@bbn.com)
K1FFX

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:14:12 GMT
From: usc!rpi!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm!jeffj@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Worked All States blues...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <9212181746.AA11103@opus.xyplex.com> sasminkey@eng.xyplex.com writes:
>
>Finally, a end-fed half-wave worked fine for me running 75m SSB with
>my Argonaut to make contacts throughout New England. Of course, living
>all around wetlands helped! :-) RF in the shack was a big problem when
>I put my Icom 735 running 100 watts into it, though. A good ground
>helped that. Maybe a really thin wire end-fed half-wave on 40m, about
>65 to 70 feet, would work for you especially if you ran low-power for
>less potential TVI/RFI and CW to get the most bang for the low power.

What you need to do is buy some thin wire. Then at midnite while everyone
is asleep, you sneak outside and attach it to the highest thing around.
Try not to laugh as you do this or look suspicious so as not to attract
antention from the home covenant fascists. Make sure to run as much wire
as you can out there as it is better to dare great things then to meekly
call CQ on your attic antenna. 8-)  Good luck and have fun with this. Make
a good story for your grandkids.... 73!

Jeff
--
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |
 jeffj@seeker.mystic.com   |
 Infolinc BBS 415-778-5929 |

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:48:41 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu!jmaynard@network.UCSD.ED
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <85396@ut-emx.uucp>, <NDoyVB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca>, <1992Dec18.153
Subject : Re: DXers

In article <1992Dec18.153220.27891@ryn.mro4.dec.com> taber@cimfie.enet.dec.com (
>While the word "hypocrite" begs to be used, I think what we're really
>seeing here is plain blindness: "What I do is ham radio. What you do is
>junk."

Really. Ham radio is 500,000 different hobbies in the same spectrum.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Brought to you by the letters O, S, and by the number 2." -- Mike Levis

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