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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Age-rule (Was Re: Kim Zmeskal)
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 16 Aug 1992 05:22:15 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <shralp.713934120@camelot> shralp@camelot.bradley.edu (Jamie McDonald) writes:

>	After reading a few articles in the paper and seeing Kim's
>first and only chance at an Olympic (individual medal) go up in smoke,
>I'm wondering if the age limit (currently 14) should again be raised.
>	It seems that the girls (in this case) spend so much time
>training and so on that they have little time for anything else.  This
>observation I make from personal experience with a friend gymnast (heh
>- try not to read anything into that).  I also have heard (uncomfirmed
>or proven) reports that the training which the girls in gymnastics go
>through impairs their normal growth and development.

From what I understand, the training does not impair growth or
development depending on how you look at it.  The main concern here is
delayed puberty; when a gymnast stops training, apparently it is not
uncommon (it may even be downright common) for her to experience an
accelerated puberty.  In the end she is where she would have been
minus the hard training.

I think that the hours of training is not the serious problem... all
athletics require this.  The press talks as if she has been doing
nothing but training, and says that she left school in '89.  It's just
not true... she attended Northland Christian up till spring '91.  Only
this last year she has resorted to correspondence courses... but hey,
try getting up at 7, being in the gym by 7:30, from the gym straight
to school at 10:30, attending about three or four classes, heading
back to the gym for about four hours of workout (by now it's 9pm),
only to go home and finish your homework by 11 so that you can get
enough sleep for the next day.  That was her basic schedule in '89...
(six hours on Saturday with Sunday off).  I would imagine that in '92
the training was upped considerably to prepare for the Olympics.

The main argument I think is, are these 14-year-olds mentally capable
of handling an Olympics?  That for me would be the reason to raise the
age limit... not necessarily the training.

Rachele
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From: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carwil James)
Subject: Re: Gymnastics scoring & math
Reply-To: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carwil James)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 11:16:40 GMT


In a previous article, solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) says:

>In article <1992Jul31.153420.25513@rice.edu>, rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul31.144427.22352@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>|> >Can someone explain to me how many judges' scores count toward each
>|> >performance, and to what detail they score (e.g., "9.9", "9.95", or
>|> >"9.973")?  I find the precision used to be a bit hard to swallow.
>|> 
>|> You ask a lot of questions!  I will try my best to make it clear, but
>|> scoring is an inherently confusing process...
>|> 
>|> (OK, fasten your seatbelts!...)
>|> 
>|> - A judge can score out to the five-hundredths.  ie, he can assign a
>|> score of 10, 9.95, 9.90, 9.85, etc.
>|> 
>|> - There are six judges for each apparatus.
>|> 
>|> - The high and low scores are dropped, and the middle four averaged.
>|> 
>|> - If the range of the middle four exceeds a certain number, a chief
>|> judge's score (not one of the above six) is used to arbitrate.
>|> 
>|> - The scores go out to four digits although for some unknown reason
>|> the FIG chooses to drop the last digit (always either a 5 or a 0),
>|> which in some cases has meant the difference between 1st and 2nd place.
>|> This is very controversial and might be changed in the near future.
>
>It shouldn't be as it is very acurate. The 0 or 5 in the fourth column will
>NEVER make a difference. In fact, the scores could be rounded to two decimal
>places and there still would never be a difference. The minimal possible
>difference between two no identical scores is 0.0125. As I understand it, this
>was the first women's all around title to be decided by this amount.
>
>I though it was fairly comical how the announcers would tell you how many
>thousands of a point were necessary to do such and such, when the scores they
>gave were unatainable. They should have given the next highest possible score
>which would be on an even eightieth of a point.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky
>
It CAN make a difference. Here's an example:

Suppose there are only two events - if you think that's two unrealistic suppose
the following happens twice.
		Competitor 1		Competitor 2
Vault			9.925(0)		9.937(5)
Balance Beam		9.975(0)		9.962(5)
		================	================
Total		       19.900		       19.899	
 International Rules
Total		       19.900		       19.900
 Untruncated

Competitor 2 gets a finish behind competitor 1 even though the individual 
judge's scores might be EXACTLY the same.
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From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Ann Marden, Sculling; What Place?
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:16:16 GMT
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

I missed the finals of the women's sculling. Can anyone tell me how Ann
(Anne?) Marden from the U.S. did? I can't find sculling in any report
anywhere, except for saying that Silkenn Laumann came in third.

Thanks,
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Red Eye Olympic Watching
Summary: OJ and Tracy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:38:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug5.210311.9319@mdd.comm.mot.com> wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu) writes (in part):
>
>If you watch (I tape it) CTV's daytime coverage, you will find that it is
>really quite a lot better than their nighttime coverage or NBC for that 
>matter.  First of all, it's LIVE from 5pm to 11pm Barcelona time and they
>cover a lot of sports events (much more than at night or on NBC).  The
>hosts are better too (Tracy Wilson and Dan Matheson), Rod Black is very
>uninteresting but who else would stay up all night to do the broadcast??

Tracy Wilson has been on CBS Olympics coverage, so I'd expect her to be 
pretty competent.  I thought she did well in Albertville.

>I agree that some
>commentators aren't as smooth as the NBC ones, and they aren't as 
>knowledgeable, but they don't try to fake it. (O.J. Simpson doing track?

No, OJ isn't faking it.  He used to be a sprinter in his college days, and 
has been covering track for years on ABC.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: somerville@BAEPV3.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Reply-To: somerville@BAEPV3.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.100416.20756@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton) writes:
>
>Fat's only bad for your heart if it gets to clog up the insides of your
>arteries, otherwise it is the best fuel for performing relatively low
>intensity exercise for long durations, like working on the farm. If the
>recipes are old ones, e.g. from a time when the majority of people were
>manual labourers, then this might explain it. Still I didn't know that us
>brits were known for living long lives.
>

High fat diets are linked to a number of serious
diseases (such as various cancers), not just heart disease.
Again, just because fat makes good fuel does *not* mean you
need to eat it as *fat*!  In fact, this is an unsafe and
(literally) tiring way to get fuel.  Your body is plenty
capable of converting and storing fat from other sources that
are safe to eat.

This thinking was expressed by a notable MD in Runner's World
magazine years ago.  His statements lead one to conclude that
you should drink a bottle of peanut oil before running each
marathon, or else you could not finish!

Eat whatever you want.  Personally, I think ice cream tastes
better without the topping of B.S.   

--
Garth Somerville
somerville@bae.ncsu.edu  
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From: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Subject: Re: synchro swim
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Reply-To: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.234746.2581@panix.com>, tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander) writes:
|> >when you consider the
|> >technical aspect of the sport, s.s. is near the top of the list when
|> >considering sports which require a great amount of physical fitness
|> >AND skill.
|> 
|> Anyone can see that the synchronized swimmers are terrifically fit and
|> performing amazing physical feats.
|> 
|> It would just be a lot easier to take s.s. seriously if they got rid of
|> the shellacked hair, 3-inch-thick waterproof make-up, plastic smiles,
|> and hometown-4th-of-July-parade costumes.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	If you have only seen Kristen Babb-Sprague, I agree with you!

|> 
|> (On the other hand, I'd be delighted to see medals awarded for juggling!)
|> 
|> 
|> -- Tovah Hollander
|>    tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu


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From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: US Women's Swim team - the bodyart
Keywords: tatoos
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:42:17 GMT
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

In article <1992Aug15.065716.13908@sdf.lonestar.org> thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) writes:
>Looking back on the US women's swim team's performances, I noticed that several
>of the members had tattoos on various parts of their bodies.  Two were on
>the left shoulder area, while a third had a similar tattoo on the upper right
>thigh (front).  Does anyone know the story about these? Minor details like when
>and why the members got them, and what said bodyart was.
> 

They were temporary "tatoos" that wear off in a few days. Apparently, they
got them in Barcelona, and did it for fun and as a way of being a "team".
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From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:50:30 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Thomas H. Kunich writes:
>Speaking of fat in your diet: why is it that we all know that
>fat is bad for your heart? I ask this because I have an English
>Cookbook that practically oozes lard out of every recipe.
>
>Yet the british seem to life lives longer than we mere mortals.
>

You know what I say?  I say: no sugar, no caffeine, no fat, NO THANKS!

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM


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From: KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan)
Subject: Re: An Analysis of Sports Illustrated's medal picks
Organization: BROOKHAVEN NATIONAL LABORATORY
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:47 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <133087@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov writes:

: In their Olympic Preview issue, Sports Illustrated gave picks for all
: 257 events -- that's 809 medal predictions.  (It's not three times the
: number of events because some sports, such as boxing, have two bronze
: medals per event.)
: 
: Now that the games are over, I decided to see how well they did.  For
: each medal prediction, they could have gotten it completely right
: (what I call CORRECT), they could have picked the right person or country
: but for the wrong medal (e.g. they picked someone to win the silver but
: he actually got the bronze; I call this PARTIALLY CORRECT), or they could
: be totally wrong (INCORRECT).
: 
: Overall results:
: 
: Correct:            22%
: Partially Correct:  29%
: Incorrect:          49%
: 
: You can see that they did only mediocre.  It's not entirely their fault --

If you went to a horse track and picked horses in the money 51% of the time,
I think you would feel you did better than "mediocre".



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From: ruokolai@jyu.fi (Tapio Ruokolainen)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.214014.17344@rtsg.mot.com> brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.230545.24254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>>I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
>>They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
>>are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.
>>
>>
>>The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
>>then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
>>cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?
>>
>>What'll they prove with staistics next?
>>
>
>I just had some tests done and my total cholesterol was 135 -- one of 
>the only things that seems to be right with me.  How depressing to hear
>this.  I think I'll go kill myself.
>
>-- 
>Bob Brand

There is not enough information for a decision :-).

Actually, the total cholesterol does not tell very much. There are two
basic types of cholesterol, high density lipoprotein (HDL) and
low density lipoprotein (LDL). LDL cholesterol is the bad thing.
The ratio LDL/HDL tells more than total cholesterol. 

Tapio

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From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
Subject: Athletes' height & weight needed
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:12:54 GMT


Hi, 

I would like to know the HEIGHT and WEIGHT of the following olympic athletes:

Alexandr Popov
Matt Biondi
Nelson Diebel
Norbert Rosza
Alexandr Kurlovich
Leonid Taranenko
Linford Christie
Carl Lewis
Ben Johnson
Jan Zelezny
Seppo Raty
Javier Sotomayor
Patrick Sjoberg
Matthew Birir
Peter Koech 
Daley Thompson
Robert Zmelik
Christian Schenk
Antonio Penalver
Dan O'Brien
David Johnson
Vitaly Scherbo
Grigori Misiutin
Clyde Drexler
Charles Barkley

If you know the answer for any of these guys, thanks for letting me know.
Cheers.

Jacques.
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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: NBC - what does it stand for / Poll?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:45:47 GMT


In article <2219@tymix.Tymnet.COM> douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg) writes:
!In article <1992Aug05.042503.22484@CS.ORST.EDU> srivasan@ucs.orst.edu (Anil Srivastava) writes:
!>NBC - Nothing But Crap
!>		--- M. Rafi (rafim@mist.cs.orst.edu)
!
!NBC - Not Bad Coverage
!
!Yes, room for improvement.  Yes, less "features" (didn't one person get
!to these Olympics without having to live through an airline crash?).
!Yes, much less NEGATIVE commentary.
!
!But, on a scale of 1-10 for general coverage and personal enjoyment:
!
!		   I give 'em a 7.
!
!Anyone interested in taking a poll?
!
!
!		 
!douge@antares.tymnet.com

I would rate them a 1  (1 being the worst, 10 being the best).  Ok OK,
if this was for real, I'll give them a 2.
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From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: 2000 Olympics
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:37:42 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw209

.....
>                1) Berlin
>                2) Peking
>                3) Sidney
......
>        1) Beijing
>        2) Belgrade  
>        3) Berlin
>        4) Brasilia
>        5) Istanbul
>        6) Manchester
>        7) Milan
>        8) Sydney
>        9) Tashkent
.......
I think 'Peking' and 'Beijing' refer to the same 
city -- capital of P. R. China. However in US, UK people 
often use 'Peking', which is not used any more in 
mainland China -- except ' Peking University'.
...Hope that doesn't matter. Anyway, I hope 2000 Olympics
will be in Beijing, since I like Olympics so much, and I 
can't go to Sidney or Berlin or other wonderful places from 
China in that time for you know what reason.

Cheers!
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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:27:42 GMT

In article 3402@sdf.lonestar.org, thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) writes:
>Ok, now that we've all seen the new mascot for Atlanta 1996, what is YOUR
>opinion of the Whatizit?  Quite honestly, my first reaction was "Gawd no!"
>
>With the amount of regional pride the Atlanta area has had during the past
>couple of years, you would think that they would have a better idea for a 
>mascot that a Q-tip with eyes........
> 
>Just my opinion, you know.
>
>
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>-
>---


Actually the reaction here has not been overwhelming.  The damned thing
got booed when they showed it at the Braves game.  It showed up in `person'
the next night and the repsonse was mediocre.  We call it the Smurf Sperm
here.
 
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From: yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VELISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS)
Subject: Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:24:08 GMT

In article <TQZ5RJ@aball.in-berlin.de> tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen) writes:
> 
> Hi !
>
>  'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
>	 2000. Where should it happen ?
>
>		 1) Berlin
>		 2) Peking
>		 3) Sidney
>       4) anywhere else, give me the name of the city
>
>		  Please send your answer to 
>
>		  tnt@aball.in-berlin.de
>
>		  And please answer, and please no kidding :-)
>
>			  THANX  a LOT    tnt
>
>

		OLYMPIA 2000??? Let me guess. It's gonna be there exactly
where it is right now. And it's in Greece!!!! 
	And after all we are talking about the Olympic Spirit and the
Olympic Games. MOST OF US DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME "OLYMPICS" OR "OLYMPIC
GAMES".....:(((

Yiannis Velissarakos
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympics Ending...
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:57:35 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <133040@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.204000.27575@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>By the Olympics in '96, the Braves will suck again, so nobody will have
>>anything to worry about.  What I wonder is if they will have to go on a
>>3-week road trip around the Olympics?  That would suck!
>
>The Dodgers had to do something like this in 1984, because Dodger
>Stadium was the site of the (then) demonstration sport of baseball.
>
>Ed
>ed@wente.llnl.gov

The Astros are currently in the middle of a month-long road trip due to
the GOP Convention in the Dome.



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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: More favorite/!favorite moments..
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:51:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug12.180609.23829@cs.mcgill.ca>, Prakash Panangaden writes:

>> But why would I want to do this?

> So that the brains might trickle back into place.

Oh, is that where your brains end up if you do too much synchronized
swimming, and is this what happened to you?
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:53:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: Speaking of fat

I had a cholesteral teest a number of years ago. I ate lots
of red meat. Like steak three or four times a week and
hamburgers and such for lunch. I drank about a gallon
of milk a day. My cholesterol was 120.

!0 years later I eat only very small amounts of red meat. I drink
only non-fat milk. I'm careful with my diet and have plenty
of fiber, fruits and exercise. Cholesterol? 225.

Sorry, I don't believe any of that stuff about cholesterol. I
suyspect that it is a symtom, not a problem.