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From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: blow_____ (boats)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:46:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <18l4eoINN2rm@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
> 
> You seem to have a real beef with fast boats...
> 
> As long as they aren't near you, what's the problem? 


  There are two parts to (premises in) your question.

  1. "as long as they aren't near you":  NOISE, of course.  Consider:  70-100
     boats floating out beyond the entrance to Buffalo's harbor.  Sunshine,
     nice day, people soaking in the sun, some fishing, catching some breezes
     in their sails, peaceful.  Unwinding from the hustle and bustle and
     grind of workday life.

     Then, 2-3 miles away, a 100/120/50 (that's mph/decibels/i.q., respective-
     ly) blow boat "opens up", making more noise than the combined 6th Fleet
     on manuevers of the coast of Lybia.  Lots of heads turn.  The expressions
     on their faces... adulation ? joy ? envy ?  Nope, just the usual "why 
     the ____ do we have to listen to that ____" ?

     I think that you blow guys are missing the boat, so to speak.  See, you
     want to HEAR your beautiful engines ROAR.  But you're wasting all those
     dbs because they are aimed AWAY from YOU and AT the rest of US.  So you're
     missing out on most of the good stuff.  Why don't you muffle them some,
     close-mike the engines, feed the noise thru a good amp into a good 
     headphone set, and blow away what's left of your brains to your heart's 
     content, and let us keep what's left of ours' ?

  2. "as long as they aren't near you" is a very dubious (and false) premise.
     Unfortunately, it's often quite the opposite....
> 
> You must be alot of fun to be around...
> 
  That's what my 15-year old son said when I wouldn't let him drive my car. 
  And what he said to my wife for taking his BB gun away after he "accidently"
  shot out two windows in the attic.... only kidding.  Actually, he's a good
  kid with solid values: he doesn't think much of blow boats either.  Remem-
  bers making a lot of noise in kindergarten to attract attention.  Something
  most of us outgrow by the time we're 10 or so..


  pavlov@fstrf.org
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Thundercraft
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:18:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <5058@balrog.ctron.com> turner@olympus.ctron.com () writes:
>Can anyone tell me if aThundercraft boat is a good boat.  I am looking

I didn't even know they were made anymore...

I've only seen one or two, and they were pretty old ones.
They seemed kind of like a low-end boat, kind of like a
Glasspar or a Four-winns, if I remember correctly. The
last one I saw was about 12 years ago.

-- Mike

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I don't even think this qualifies as an opinion...
But it's mine anyhow - not my employer's.
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Inexperienced boaters
Date: 15 Sep 1992 13:16:03 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com
Summary: "The Box"

In article <1992Sep15.095652.58886@cc.usu.edu> hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch) writes:
>|>
>Is there a boater with a brain that doesn't dread this one.  In a desperate
>attempt to forestall rinsing my boats bilge with lake water I attach the
>the plug to the boats key-ring when it's not on duty.  To do this I
>soldered a loop of electrical house wire to the plug.
>
>upside: It is very difficult to start the boat without realizing that
>        something terribly wrong.
>
>downside: The key-bouy won't float with the plug on.  Sigh.
>

I just have a box that contains everything I need to launch
(drain plugs, kill cords, keys...) When that box is empty,
I walk around and check that all the pieces are in the right
place.

The drawback is that immediately upon trailering, you must
remove all the plugs, cords, keys... and put them back in the
box. I find that having a set routine helps alot.

Luckily, I've only forgotten the drain plug once. I didn't have
the boat off the trailer, and I thought "Oh, s*@t"... I pulled
back up, and installed it. Since I started using "The Box", I've
not had it happen again. I guess it's one of those things that
you have to make up for yourself... Whatever cues the memory.

-- Mike

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My opinion - not my employer's
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:34:54 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Sep03.214158.17174@ans.net> hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:
>A simple question for all of you: If you buy a used boat, and want to change 
>the name, is this bad luck?
>Rob Hagens

No. I think it's bad luck to change the name after you've owned a boat
for a while.

However, it _is_ bad luck to be superstitious :-) 


-- 
[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]
[ bobp@sandr.com                                              410.628.9241 ]
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Overheating problem
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:26:59 GMT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

When you find out what is wrong let us know, for the sake of curiosity
and future reference.
--
Hal Lynch
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
	DECnet:   USU::HAL
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller)
Subject: A necktie of interest to married boaties
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:15:49 GMT
Keywords: tie boat marriage

Saw a tie in a boat store this summer, thought it might be of interest.



		I love my wife. I love my wife I lo
		ve my wife. I love my wife. I love 
		my wife. I love my wife. I love my
		wife. I love my wife. But oh that
		boat. I love my wife. I love my wi
		fe. I love my wife. I love my wife.

				etc.



		John Miller, Catalina 22 #4909 "Tinker Toy"
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:45:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:

>during both World Wars, a large number of German ships were seized. Some
>of them had names like Grossherzogin Grimmhilde and had to be renamed
>for obvious reasons (I may be wrong, but the USCG "Eagle" is one of these).

On the other hand, a US submarines sank the Japanese freighters _America
Maru_ and _California Maru_. They were US-flagged ships siezed in far
eastern harbors at the start of the war -- and not renamed.

Source: Clay Blair, _Silent Victory_.
From: fritz@dorrit.as.utexas.edu (Fritz Benedict)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hobie 16 masts
Date: 5 Sep 92 20:21:54 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

I have a Capri 14.2  whose mast is supposed to float. HAH! I now
tie an emty bleach bottle to the mast head. I no longer turtle.
It looks funny, but it sure works well.

-- 
Fritz Benedict  (512)471-3448
internet: fritz@astro.AS.UTEXAS.EDU
snail: McDonald Observatory, U of Texas, Austin, TX  78712
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jcf24@cas.org ()
Subject: Sailboat for Sale
Summary: Holder 20 for Sale
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: oh
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:30:34 GMT

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			      125% Window Genoa
			      Jib
			      Spinnaker

			-  1987 Mariner 4 Hp, long shaft. Excellent Condition

			-  Extras:
			      Danforth anchor, chain & rode
			      dock fenders
			      fire extinguisher

			-  Features:
			      trailer
			      retractable dagger keel
			      running lights & marine battery
			      traveler
			      Forespar telescoping/quick release tiller ext.
			      black aluminum mast, boom, spinnaker pole
			      Maxwell winches
			      Harken blocks

			-  PHRF Rating: 180


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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 10:47:47 MST
From: <ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject:    rebuilding boat refridg. Question

We just had to replace the freezing unit on our cruiser
"Someday Soon". Rather than throw   the old one away we
have dismantled it to find a damaged copper pipe.
We would like to rebuild this unit but need to replace the
"blue ice" like gell that is in the plates that are frozen
to retain the cold.  Does anyone know what this substance
is called? Or, where does one go to purchase it? Is it the same
stuff that is found in the "blue ice" packs that you buy for
your picnic cooler?
This is obviously a low budget endeavor, and we know little about
refridgeration to begin with. But, being handy frugal people we
would like to try to get this unit back in operation as a replacement
or for use on a friend's boat.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
From: Doug_Steinfeld@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: S/Y Happy Valley
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:43:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc.

While entering Threemile Harbor on Long Island last week, I saw a pilothouse
sloop (or cutter, can't recall) named "Happy Valley", documented out of
Norfolk,
VA.  She was very nice looking, and I wonder if anyone is familiar with this
vessel and knows the make/model, etc.

Thanks - Doug 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: A Boat Book
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:52:51 GMT

I've just picked up a new book about boats, called "The Nature of Boats,"
by Dave Gerr, International Marine, an imprint of TAB, a division of McGraw 
Hill, $29.95 ISBN 0-87742-289-3. 

It's great.

Dave Gerr designs boats, and this is a collection of articles he's written
about various sorts of things. Lots of stuff on how to size the rig for a
sailboat, how to design engine mounts for a powerboat, what materials are
strong in what ways, etc. There's a chapter on his dream design for a powerboat
steering station. There's a chapter about a mysterious fire on board a boat.
There are chapters about electrolysis, basics of improving sail shape, homemade
self-steering, etc. 
   It's all written for someone who isn't afraid of an equation or two, but who
doesn't revel in them. 

   So far, after half an hour's reading, I've learned lots and I can see myself
about the spend the evening thinking about boats instead of computer graphics
and mathematics...

-John


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Interesting nautical book catalog
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:09:38 GMT

I've been receiving a useful catalog of new nautical books
from International Marine. They feature over 300 titles in many
categories: design, buyer's guides, cruising handbooks, racing,
navigation, history, modeling, etc.

The latest issue has two interesting additions: Eric Newby's
"The Last Grain Race", a book I've plugged on the net many
times, and "Tango Round the Horn". According to the blurb,
"The six-masted, bald-headed schooner Tango was the largest
American sailing vessel ever built". This is surely wrong, 
since the SEVEN-masted Lawson was bigger. In any case, if this
is the Tango I'm thinking about, she was built in Germany as
the four-masted barque Hans (sistership of Kurt, the subject of
Newby's book!!!). Hans spent some time as a gambling ship, moored
just outside U.S. territorial waters off Los Angeles, before being
converted to a fore-and-after during WWII. I'm going to order 
a copy of the book to find out.

The catalog is free from:

International Marine
TAB Books
Blue Ridge Summit, PA 17294-0840


Stefan ("never, never sick at sea") Michalowski
stefan@sunrise.stanford.edu













Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Stefan Mochnacki)
Subject: Re: Round the world books??
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:28:26 GMT


Roger Hare mentions the book:

> Maiden Voyage by Tanya Aebi (sp?)
> [...]

and adds:

> I bought this book because this lady sailed around the world alone (except for
> 80 miles or so) in a Contessa 26 (or it's North American equivalent -
> differently named I believe), and I have a Contessa 26, and was interested.

The "North American" version is also called Contessa 26, made by J.J.Taylor
of Toronto. The Contessa 32 is also license-built by Taylor. 

> The net effect of this book was to frighten me to death, and determine never
> to even think about sailing alone around the world, even on the QEII!

Eh? The Contessas are about the most "bullet-proof" blue-water boats made,
though their interior room is rather cramped for their size ... The older
ones (mid-70's) sell for quite reasonable prices, but new ones are 
expensive. (I'm not sure they are still being built here ...). The Contessa 32 
has an amazingly good stability curve, so it's supposed to be able to recover
from capsizes well. Quite a few Contessas have circumnavigated.

Tania Aebi's worst experiences, as I remember, were in the Mediterranean,
where traffic is dense, and in the Red Sea, where the winds are 
unfavourable and shore conditions dicey. The alternative, going around
the Cape, is no picnic either (read "Still in the Same Boat", by
Howard and McCall; it was THEIR worst experience. )

I thought it was an inspiring book. Her family life may have been
unusual, but whose isn't?

-- 
Stefan W. Mochnacki          INTERNET - stefan@centaur.astro.utoronto.ca
Astronomy, U. of Toronto     UUCP - {uunet,pyramid}!utai!helios.physics!stefan
Ph. (416) 884-9562           BITNET - mochnacki@utorphys.bitnet 
FAX (416) 884-2672	     LOCATION - David Dunlap Observatory 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Jib furling systems
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:28:51 GMT

Dan Frenette writes:

	rheinze@lrc.edu:

		Are [jib furling systems] overkill on a small cruiser?

	No they are not, but you may not need a Profurl or a Harken to 
	get the job done on such a small boat.  I would go to a good 
	surplus boat store and get one of the older models that roll on 
	a head stay.  Then put a head stay in you large sail.  This will 
	mean you only need 2 attachment points.  One for the roller at 
	the head and one for the drum.  

Could you be more specific about "older models"? Names? As I have indicated,
for my boat I have no choice but to use a headstay arrangement, since my
Freedom 21 has no standing rigging (hooray!). 

Francis Muir
FELIX
Redwood City
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: For Sale: Martec Prop
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:38:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: na
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

Lightly used Martec Elliptec Mark III folding prop.  Hub
fits shafts with 1" or 25mm bore.  12x8 and 14x8 blades
included.  $150 plus shipping (it's kinda heavy).

Bought a MaxProp,

BILL COURINGTON
2229 Greer Road
Palo Alto CA 94303

415 857 0377



Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett)
Subject: Re: rebuilding boat refridg. Question
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:29:02 GMT

From article <1992Sep11.194733.23011@progress.com>, by gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras):
> <ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>We just had to replace the freezing unit on our cruiser
>>"Someday Soon". Rather than throw   the old one away we
>>have dismantled it to find a damaged copper pipe.
>>We would like to rebuild this unit but need to replace the
>>"blue ice" like gell that is in the plates that are frozen
>>to retain the cold.  Does anyone know what this substance
>>is called? Or, where does one go to purchase it? Is it the same
>>stuff that is found in the "blue ice" packs that you buy for
>>your picnic cooler?
> 
> Sounds like it's propylene glycol.  I think it the basis for current
> auto antifreeze since ethylene glycol was found to be too toxic.

Sounds like the first poster is describing a substance that freezes
(indeed, like the blue ice packs).  It must freeze in order to "store"
an appreciable amount of "cold," since it has to absorb it's own
heat of fusion when melting again.  Propylene glycol, on the other
hand, is an antifreeze.  It may be possible, by adding a small amount,
to lower the freezing point slightly (better for keeping ice cream
frozen), but I'll bet the blue ice packs are just water with a die
added as a gimmick. (Or clear water in blue plastic?)  Does anyone
know?  They seem to swell just like water when they freeze.

-billp
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: MerCruiser Trim
Keywords: MerCruiser Trim Power
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:49:35 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


>> All of our prior boating experience has been without the benefit
>> of power trim and we are somewhat confused about how one knows when
>> best trim has been achieved.  
>>
>  This is totally unscientific (I'm sure someone else will try to provide 
>  that aspect...), but when I first encountered power trim/tilt, I was told to
>  adjust it up or down, a little at a time, until the minimum amount of
>  hull/enging vibration was felt.  This seems to work fine overall....

I like the unscientific way because as water conditions change, where you want
your trim will change. For instance, at speed on calm water, I'll trim it up
a little, if I am pulling a skier on rougher water, I might trim it down a 
little to give a more constant pull. If I am going across waves that cause
a rough ride, I usually slow down to 20 or so and trim the bow up 6 inches to
as much as 18 inches which will give a smoother ride.

The more I use my trim, the more sensitive I become to the boat. I can feel
the bow digging into the water when it is trimmed down too far. When others
are driving the boat I just trim it a little bow down for safety and only
let them make small adjustments.

Bryan
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: A sailing problem
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.191825.19121@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>
>A year or so ago I proposed a couple of thought experiments---situations that
>*might* arise while sailing---for folks to think about and propose solutions
>to. Here's another. There's no real problem here, just an exercise in thinking
>about appropriate preparations.
>...
>What preparations do you make before setting out? You have arranged, by the
>way, to pick up a mooring at the haulout harbor...
>
>-John

This one's easy, John. The first thing you have to arrange is a way to get 
back to where you left your car...

Great work on the FAQ, by the way!


Stefan



Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: 2 batteries -- how?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.205826.8578@progress.com>, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
|> daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards) writes:
|> 
|> >I'm electrifying my dad's 50+ year old sailboat.  Everything was pro-
|> >gressing smoothly until I decided to include wiring to allow a second
|> >battery to be added at some later date (I don't think it's a critical
|> >requirement at this point).  
|> 
|> There are a couple of reasons to have two batteries.  One is to be able
|> to start your engine  if one battery gets too low.  The other is more 
|> debatable and has to with it being better for the batteries to rotate
|> them on a daily basis.  Personally, I'm unconvinced on the latter point.
|> 
       << misc. battery switching comments left out...>>
|> 
|> >As I see it, there are several options:
|> 
      << more misc. battery switching comments left out...>>
|> 
|> >(D) Same as (C) only the switch isn't left on "both".  The skipper has 
|> >to remember to periodically alternate the switch between 1 and 2 while
|> >the engine is running to charge both batteries.
|> 
|> There is an awful lot to be said for this tried and true method.  
|> 
|> >(E) Any other options I haven't thought about?
|> 
|> Yep, two alternators.  This is a really reliable way to go since you
|> have to fully redundant charging systems.  It does cost twice as 
|> much though and you'll have to decide whether you really want to pay
|> this much to improve a much simmpler and and already quite
|> reliable system.
|>

     I recall having seen an ad/article about a battery isolator/switch that
     senses the LOWEST-POWERED( amperage ) battery from a group of batteries
     connected to it. The switch/isolator then redirects the alternator to
     charge said battery. Pretty nice, eh?!

     Does anyone have info or a homemade schematic for such a device? 
     Has anybody( besides me ) heard of this wonder-switch?
     
     My wife( EE-person, dangerous! ;) ) is looking into it now...
 
|> regards,
|> gerard

 Thanks for no electricl fires/flames,
 Scott
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