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From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:40:50 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec18.184013.14481@gtech.com> ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.201637.18641@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>>	long ago (even in 70-ies).

>>	Misha.

>Is possible to get old records of "Mashina Vremeny" ?

Due to sloppy grammar, I have not exactly got what did you
mean, but nevertheless I'll try to answer. Mashina Vremeni
(Time Machine) underwent several distinctly different formations.
First one (75-81) (which you refer to) - a cult band of good
commercial potential, but unable to penetrate mafia-
controlled system of Soviet show-business (there was
a zero formation as well (1968-73), but it evaporated
without a trace). Second formation, 82-86 - a good
Soviet estrada group playing basically the same songs
as one of the first period (mixed with more orthodoxal "songs of
Soviet composers") but this group completely lost its edge.
Needless to say, most controversal songs (Novyi Povorot,
Solnechnyi Ostrov) were sung rarely. The third formation,
one of perestroyka period (86-now) sings mellow KSP-like
pop together with abhorrent "hard" pop sounding like
the quintessence of all unpleasant sides of American
top 40. I don't know if they still play their
old songs (note that the personal of MV in 75-79 and
89-now formations is the same, while in the
middle-term there were lots of different people).

Now, to the question. MV, unlike Aquarium, never recorded
out studio albums before 1982-3: it was primarily live
group. Everything which was recorded was a bootleg, and
due to terrible equipment the sound quality is awful.
These bootlegs are truly unlistenable, and never saw
the light on CD or LP.

The second formation recorded some stuff, though the old
songs were difficult to record due to censure ("litovka")
restrictions. Now it's all on LP and (sometimes) on CD
and you can enjoy MV playing "Skvorets" and other hits.

The third formation recorded everything (they are billioners
by now, I guess :), but everything I heard was terribly
bad, and have had nothing to do with the early stuff.
Naturally, this is all on LP and sometimes on CD.

Misha.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:10895 talk.politics.soviet:9615 soc.culture.europe:10347
From: covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Estonia's Russian-speakers
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:55:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet

in article <1992Nov28.192404.21948@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) says:
[...]
> And, as far as I know, citizens as well as non-citizens in Estonia,
> are allowed to manage their own life.
[...]

You forgot to mention, that all people, citizens or non-citizens, are also
allowed to use public toilets and have equal rights there.
Isn't it great?

-- 
  Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, METAPHOR Inc.,  CA,  USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11250 talk.politics.soviet:9834 soc.culture.europe:10598
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:04:06 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <kosinov.724705426@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

>1) Nash Sovremennik was nothing like the "Yiddish Magazine".

 That's for sure. And I'd add, nothing like other numerous magazines.
 Perhaps, "Novyi Mir" might be put in a row. 

>............................................... Nash Sovremennik had
>ITS OWN AGENDA, which of course was not openly anti-Communist, but which
>was Russian-natioinalist in nature and had much less of the Soviet "newspeak"
>you referred to earlier than would have been required for any other
>Soviet publication.

  First of all, "newspeak" was not a requirement. It's the matter of 
  authors choice. Comrade Korotich never knew any language besides
  newspeak - when it was "required", as you impose, he talked newspeak,
  and when it's not - now - he still uses the same language. The same
  goes for other members of "Sojuz Sov. Pisatelei" like famous  Rybakov.
  "Kortik" and "Deti Arbata" both use the same words but in a different
  order. From the other hand, most of authors of "Nash Sovremennik"
  always use Russian language not because it was allowed to them, but
  because they never knew "newspeak". Editors of "N.S." just didn't 
  publish that junky Rybakov.



>2) Of course, those Russian nationalist organizations which were openly 
>anti-Communist were persecuted. However, precisely becouse 'bei zhidov' was
>such a popular sentiment (including among the communist elite, which only
>wanted to be able to containe and manipulate it, not stamp it out), radical
>Russian nationalism was persecuted Less, 

  What a strange logic. Russian nationalism DOES NOT mean "bei zhidov".
  Besides, I don't see how it could be an excuse for people who were
  openly anti Comunistic. Your "becouse" doesn't work (is this spelling
  a family tradition, btw? - can't resist, sorry).

  Moreover, at the time "nationalistic" NS never proposed such a slogan.


> Can you name me ONE Russian Nationalist, who did NOT
>challenge the fundumental Leninist dogma, who was imprisoned during Breznev
>era.

 You mean "who did not challenge... AND was imprisoned", correct? Why would he 
 be imrisoned? For what reason? Ohh, I get it, from your point of view, Russian
 nationalism means "bei zhidov", correct? So, you're asking to name one person
 who said "bei zhidov" and for that reason was imprisoned. If I'm correct, am I?,
 your comprehension of Russian nationalism is a way too simplified. Moreover,
 I call a person who invites to "bei zhidov" - mudak - but not "russian 
 nationalist". However, it happened earlier, in 20-30. And not only "imprisoned"
 but people got killed for calling a Jew "zhid".
 It's kinda achievment of soviet "democracy", isn't it?


>				      Greg.

 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: How to avoid panslavism and toilets in Finland
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:14:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <15036.2b277ff8@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

> 
> I see you're well asquanted with Sovoks' life.
> I didn't marry moskvichka because I didn't want
> to spent the rest of my days in jail for her murder :-)
> 
> Serega & Co

Nu-nu... Napominaet znamenitij anekdot pro chukchu i frantsuzhenku:
``Uzhasno gryaznaya zhenschina - kazhdij den' moetsya...''

Greg
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Vulis-The Self Flaggelator 2.
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:30:23 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Harry Mamayski writes:
In article <1gij2mINNqsl@agate.berkeley.edu>, muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>|> In article <gDyoVB1w165w@bwalk.dm.com> dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dimitri Vulis) writes:
>|> >
>|> Kto nibud' znaet, gde vzroslo eto blednoe chudo? Na prostorah Oklahomschiny ili
>|> na pomoikah NYC? Ili on vse zhe sam sebja sechet?
>|> 
>|> Yury M.

>Izvenyaus, no ya ne znayu chto znachet "sebja sechet". Pozhaluista
>obyesnitye.

"Sech sebja" is a slightly non-standard Russian expression which is a
translation of English.  I believe that the expression is being used
after Vulis's canonisation as "Vilius - The Self Flaggelator".  If you
also want a reason as to WHY Vulis got this name, just read his self
denegrating messages: all about Russians and Jews in the U.S....

>Harry.

Glad to be of service.				Alexei M-T.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:11:49 GMT

muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>>>> Kto nibud' znaet, gde vzroslo eto blednoe chudo? 
>>>> Na prostorah Oklahomschiny ili na pomoikah NYC? Ili on vse 
>>>> zhe sam sebja sechet?

>>Do not worry that you have not understood it, Yuri's Russian is very 
>>sloppy: he puts "ili vse zhe"  instead of "chto-li" or

	Not that it matters a whole lot to those of us in rec.humor.  While
I can see the obvious connection, please watch the cross-posting.  When I
first saw this I tried to rot-13 it, and it still didn't look any better.
Of course, it didn't look any worse, either.

	That's a thing I've noticed about non-English languages on the net.
With only ASCII characters to view, it's much more difficult to tell at
a glance that you cannot hope to read or understand a word of it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Will Russia stand beside Serbia?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A759676F020304C1@luokkapolku.utu.fi>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:57:35 GMT
Organization: Turku School of Economics and Business Adm
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 21:53:31 GMT

The 1st word war started when Russia started to mobilize
its troops against Austro-Hungaria, which had left an
ultimatun for Serbia.

The Russian minister of foreign affairs demonstrated for
some days ago, what will happen if the conservatives were
in power: he said that a kind of new Sojuz should replace
CIS and Russia will support Yugoslavia etc, etc. After 
one our he corrected that the speach delivered by him
was NOT true, but it was ment to demonstrate, what would
happen if......

Dear fellow-citizens of Russian interest circle and emigrants.
Do you think that Russia should remember it obligations to
little brothers of Slavonic family: Bulgaria and Serbia who
every now and then may encounter sosio-economic and political
problems caused by DEM-dominated markets and powers of Germany?


-olli-
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: stih
Date: 12 Dec 92 10:21:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Dec12022130
 u><1992Dec09.222549.22612@watson.ibm.com><NIKOLAY.92Dec10180428@husc10.harvard.edu><Bz4E45.I7v@max.physics.sunysb.edu>
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu's message of 12 Dec 92 00:16:53 GMT

LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg) writes:

>Article-I.D.: max.Bz4E45.I7v

> In <NIKOLAY.92Dec10180428@husc10.harvard.edu>
> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu writes:

>> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>> 
>> > In article <NIKOLAY.92Dec9030430@husc10.harvard.edu>
>> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>> 
>> >>bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>> 

> [3 rifmopletstva sterti]

> Hey, guys! May be you could further explore this topic in private
> mails?  Thanks in advance!

Put Harvard back into your killfile.

> Greg

Philip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jbharlan@indyvax.iupui.edu (John B Harlan)
Subject: Re: unsub
Organization: Dis(Organization)
Date: 11 Dec 92 07:36:40 -0500

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:20:54 GMT
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In <1992Dec10.192400.26535@mail.cornell.edu> Mark writes:

> In article <101217@netnews.upenn.edu> Sergei Borodin,
> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:
> >  Eto i est evreiskii anekdot? Ne smeshno..
> 
> Proshu postit -- tut chto-to ne srabotalo -- bivaet.
> 
[3 silly shabby jokes deleted]

Lutche bi i v etot raz ne srabotalo...

Greg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ss107@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sergey  Shamis)
Subject: Re: RELAX 
Reply-To: ss107@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sergey  Shamis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:39:58 GMT

As any anecdote, this one is much better when TOLD, not written down.  But I 
hope you will appreciate the humor anyway.

Pishet Muller dosye na svoih rabotnikov.  Beryot bumagi Vaismana.  Pishet:  
"Istinnyi ariets.  Haracter nordicheskii..."  Vyzyvaet Vaismana v kabinet.  
	- Vaisman, nazovite lyuboe dvuznachnoe chislo.
	- 24.
	- A mozhet byt' 42?
	- 24!
	- Nu, mozhet vsyo-taki 42?
	- 24!!!
	- Horosho, spasibo, Vaisman, idite.
Pishet:  "Haracter nordicheskii, stoikii."
Pishet na Shellenberga.  "Istinnyi ariets.  Haracter nordicheskii..."  Vyzyvaet
Shellenberga v kabinet.
	- Shellenberg, nazovite lyuboe dvuznachnoe chislo.
	- 31.
	- A mozhet byt' 13?
	- (Pozhimaet plechami) Mozhet i 13...
	- Horosho, idite.
Pishet:  "Haracter nordicheskii.  Znaet, chto nuzhno nachal'stvu".
Vyzyvaet Shtirlitsa. 
	- Shtirlits, nazovite lyuboe dvuznachnoe chislo.
	- 33.
	- Idite, idite, Shtirlits, ne meshaite rabotat'!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: How to avoid panslavism and toilets in Finland
Organization: Turku School of Economics
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     <1992Dec14.054554.16357@polaris.utu.fi>
     <linnan.724427895@snakemail.hut.fi>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:02:06 GMT

In article <linnan.724427895@snakemail.hut.fi> Matti J Linnanvuori,
linnan@lk-hp-17.hut.fi writes:
>  I just wanted to know, if any Russian had asked about the origin of
>your feminine sounding last name. 

Only two Russians - The other knows I'm a Finn with
Finnish family name.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11328 soc.culture.spain:4849 soc.culture.sri-lanka:1518
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.spain,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:32:57 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

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United Nations: 

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WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
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an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
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reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
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Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

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James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: Hiccoughs
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:27:29 GMT

      I'd love to hear from Russian/XSU residents about remedies for the
hiccups that you have used.  I've been spamsing for three days now and I
would try just about anything (save your sexual insults).
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: SOC.CULTURE.SOVIET is loosing subscribers - Let's do something!
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:47:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: NUACVM.168BE7BAE.HAUGLAND
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <1992Dec12.091016.27929@jyu.fi>
ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
 
>
>Olli-Jukka Paloneva (opaloneva@abo.fi) wrote:
>: I think that this group has almost melted by the flames.
>: Also the name of this group is like honey for crusading
>: bees.
>:
>: Is anybody for changing the name of this group for
>: soc.culture.russia? It would probably lighten the
>: burden that word "soviet" carries nowadays!
>
>I am for that proposal. There is needed a news-group soc.culture.russian.
>
It might get rid of you-know-mutwho, at least for a little while.
>:
>: Shalom - peace - mir!
>:
>jarmo ryyti
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: Re: RUSSKII S FINNOM BRAT'A NA VEK!
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:25:23 GMT

In article <12142@scott.ed.ac.uk>
alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
 
>
>I would like to thank Mr.Hietaniemi for his friendly message which follows:
>>In article <12054@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
>writes:
>
>>If there is some kind of "Russian appearance", it's the clothing
>>and behaviour of some Russians. If you walk in Helsinki in groups wearing
>>fur capes, speaking Russian, smoking Belomorkanal or something like it and
>>if the ladies use Krasnaya Moskva, you are relatively easy to
>>regocnize to any Finn. :-) :-)
>>Change these things and you assimilate in crowd (if that's what you
>>wish, of course).
>
>
Chto-Krasnaya Moskva?
>
>
>
>
>Actually I would not be too dismissive as far as the Russian and other
>xUSSR mafias are concerned.  When I was in Russia and Uzbekistan last
>April, I got to see some of them in restaurants...seriously nasty
>customers.  I believe that countries like Finland should have
>strickter border controls to prevent the spread of crime beyond the
>former USSR.  I also believe that Russia should have strickter border
>controls to prevent smuggling and the infiltration of criminal
>elements into Russia from other xUSSR republics.
>
>
>
>>the statue of the liberator Czar, Alexander the Second, The Grand Duke
>>of Finland still stands and will be standing in the middle
>>of the Senate square. Visit Helsinki and admire it.
>
>
>Well, you've presuaded me.
>Next time I am in StPetersburg I'll try crossing the border.  I spent
>my childhood in StPetersburg, and every summer I used to go to
>Roschino (Raimulo?), even closer to the Finnish border.  I often
>wondered then what it was like in Finland.
>
>
>
>>with best regards
>>Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis (the former Alexander Univ.)
> >                  urbs fennorum
>
>
>
>
>
>                                   Best wishes, Alexei.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: RE: Can Yeltsin reelect parlament now?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:19:13 GMT

In article <18DEC92.04343912@vax.clarku.edu>
hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
 
>
>Hi Yury,
>
>Just returned from a vacation in Panama.  Don't mention American
>imperialism.  The beer was OK, the beaches were nice, the food was
>greasy, people carried very large guns.  Next time Mexico.  Have I
>missed any installments of Welcome to Pittsburgh?
>
>Heather
>HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
 
On the subject of imperialsm, did you get a chance to eat at the nice new
Denny's there? :-)