HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Badvoc)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:06:05 GMT

In <1k2a10INNq9o@network.ucsd.edu> vanhoek@bend.ucsd.edu (Karen van Hoek) writes:
>I recently read the book _Closer to Home_; many of the essays talk about
>how the bisexual movement is going to do away with gender and lead us
>to a truly androgynous society.   It got me wondering -- _are_ we all
>into androgyny, and if so, to what extent?  Certainly I'm a feminist
>and in favor of doing away with all societally-restricted roles and
>codes of behavior based on gender -- but I'm not sure I'd say I'm really
>for "androgyny".  And the idea that being bisexual means you don't
>notice or care about gender -- not true for me.  I like men who look

To me being bisexual mean you don't think gender is very important.

>masculine, with as many of the secondary sex characteristics as possible
>(deep voice, body hair, muscles, etc.), and I like women who look and
>dress feminine (I tend to wear skirts and makeup a fair bit, myself).

I don't like men who look very masculine. They make me feel uncomftable.
Alough I find the feminine look very attractive I prefer women who don't
look so feminine. I don't know. This might just be me being strange.

>I wonder if I'm unusual, and if everyone else in the bi movement likes
>the androgynous look for both sexes.  Any comments?
>
>Karen
>

I think that people should show what ever, and as much masculinity and
feminity that they have and feel comftable with reguardless of gender.

- Badvoc.

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From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Schwartzberg, Queen of Spades)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:15:23 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan26.201953.22346@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.232911.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>
> cvadrgez@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>>Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently), and to
>>NEVER even try to explain why?
>>
>>
>>                (Note:  This is not a sexual question...)
>
>You haven't given me enough details to give an answer.
>Except, of course, for "maybe."
>
>Hugs anyway
>
>Darren

I'm not picking on you Darren, I'm just tired of all these nonanswers. 
Anybody wanna pick this one up?

The answer is NO. If somebody does this to you kick up a ruckus. 
UNLESS you do know why or should know why because it's your fault (e.g. "I'm
sure I needn't tell you the reason we don't want to deal with you", Miss
Manners' correct response given to the mother whose daughter had been sexually
abused by a neighbor [the daughter said, 'Don't make a fuss", and the mother
didn't want to involve the guy's wife who was completely irrelevant.]).

Are there any opposing viewpoints? Does anybody care?

  -Schwartzberg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: It's a party!!!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:34:39 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey


The rumors you have heard are true...

In honor of Clive Grace's, and Joe & Karina's respective visits to the 
San Francisco bay area, there will be a party at Ellen's house on
Saturday the 20th of February at 8:30pm till whenever.

Please bring your own drink.  Munchies (of the food variety) are also 
appreciated as there's never enough of them.  If you wish, you can
also bring music (CD, tape, vinyl).

Be prepared to sit on the carpet as I have little furniture (but quite
a few pillows.)  

It has been suggested that we make part of the evening a viewing
party for the Donahue show on bisexuality.  I will be happy to do so, 
but I lack essential items such as a TV and VCR.  If someone is willing to
lend those items for an evening, please email me, and we'll see
what we can set up.

I will make the hot tub available that evening - though I still have to
figure out logistics (with regard to comfort levels of participants and
non-participants).  (I suspect that the current record of 8 people in the 
tub at once may be broken that evening.)  At a minimum, the kitchen's view
of the tub will be curtained.  Suggestions are welcome on this one.

Given that this announcement is being posted on a public newsgroup, I 
request that attendees have had some sort of social/electronic/etc 
connection/contact (ahem) with me or someone that I know.  (Friends of 
Friends of Friends of etc are fine - just as long as there's someway 
of knowing who's going to be showing up at my doorstep.)  While this 
isn't intended as a strictly bi-only party, het boyz in search of hot-bi-babes 
will be summarily tossed to either the wolves or the hot and horny bi-men 
or both depending entirely on my (and others) whim.

Please RSVP to ellen@dgi.com for directions.

Ellen 
ellen@dgi.com
aka pclary@garden.csc.calpoly.edu
aka pclary@nike.calpoly.edu
From: rpowers@panix.com (Nowhere Man)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:13:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1993Jan27.181601.10476@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:
>In <C1HA4n.3ut@unix.portal.com> drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes:

>> To add something to this whole Bavarian Illuminata thang, another good
>> thing toread is "Principia Discordia or How I Found Goddes and What I
>> Did to Her When I Found Her" which is the Magnum Opiate of Malaclypse
>> the Younger of the Paratheo-naametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric.

>And how, pray tell, might one get one's paws on such a volume?  Hmm?

The Principia Discordia is available from Loompanics Unlimited
Publishers (Sellers of Unusual Books).  The address:

	Loompanics Unlimited
	PO Box 1197
	Port Townsend, WA 98368
	U.S.A.

My 1991 catalog lists the Principia at $6.95 +p/h.

You can also try any weird bookstores.  I've seen it in occult
bookstores too.

Also check out alt.discordia which is for worshippers of Eris.  The
Principia is also regularly posted there.  (It is not copyrighted.)

Hail Eris!

-- 
(   Nowhere   Man    )    Please do not use this document
( rpowers@panix.com  )    as toilet tissue.
From: ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appearances on and off the net (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:43:59 -0500
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
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In article <30891@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry) writes:

>It should further be added that when ever such spod-isms as "operating
>system", "486 box", "Motif" and (dare I say it) "parallel processing"
>are uttered at such an event (ie. a Dave&Alex soc.bi party), the
>perpetrator is liable to be tied up with his/her own anorak and severly
>tortured with libations of chocolate frog in the navel, or some other
>suitable punishment.  You have been warned!

	Great! I'll have to remember that if I ever am at such an event, 
that way I can know how to get set a wonderous punishment. 

hehehe



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Xref: sparky soc.bi:18795 alt.polyamory:2449
From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Set the WayBack Machine (Coming Out)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:45:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


OI! I'm a biker and I don't have a beard.  Or a beer belly.  Or a bike
at the moment which is a _very_ sore point.  Hmmph.

Mo
From: orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:03:41 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity

In article <C1E56C.DyE@news.udel.edu> eowyn@ravel.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
>I'm creative, after all...right, Orc?

   I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about ;-)
                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
                  \/
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From: iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Watters)
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling                 
Reply-To: iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:01:00 +0000

James:
>Aside:  I think that most people look better with glasses.

Me too.  I can't see them otherwise! <g>

  //\/\/  iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk
          Yet another queer-ian

>>>MATRIX version  1.21e
From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gripe: soc.motss
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:13:52
Organization: Department Of Computing, Imperial College, London.
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In-reply-to: h431@quads.uchicago.edu's message of Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:50:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.035049.3700@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:

> Actually after this thread, I started reading soc.motss again.  There were
> two really good threads on how safe is oral sex, and another on race-based
> fetishes.  Very thoughtful.  I may just learn how to do killfiles and 
> kill threads with h*m*ph*b*s in them.

Yes, it *is* worth reading - that's the problem! However, I make
liberal use of killfiles with all the major homophobes, and it doesn't
take much to make me kill a thread - there's so much of it I *have* to
skim-read. Here, I try to read everything. It's also the group I most
frequently decide that I'm too far behind on, and do a catch-up ...

-Morven [Simulation lectures ... eeek!]

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis)
Subject: Re: Coming out? + de-muffining
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:48:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.034851.25209@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dane Spearing <dane@cardinal.stanford.edu> writes:
>Hello!  And *huuuuuuugs* to all!  <pop> I'm outta the oven, and
>golden-brown!
>Aaaaaahhhhhh - it's much cooler out here.  :)

Muffin alert! 
*zoom*  *pounce* *hug* *nibble* *hug* *nibble* *munch* *hug*
Welcome!

>Now for the question with my first posting (just to play devil's advocate
>for a minute):
>
>Why do people feel it necessary to "come out" to the world when they
>discover/realize/admit that they are bi/gay?  I sorta figured out I
>was bi about 2 years ago (not long after I got married to a wonderful
>woman who is also bi), but it's not something I really feel the need
>to "advertise".  It's not something I'm at all shy or withdrawn about.
>If a person asks (or "needs" to know <grin>), I'm quite open about my
>bisexuality.  It's just not something I feel the need to wave a big flag
>about.  I guess my general attitude is "hey, you are who you are", and
>the sexual orientation of a person doesn't change my opinion of someone
>much.

Whew.  Well, some people don't feel the need to advertise. (As you well know)
But some people do.  Some people feel that *not* advertising is hiding, is
denying themselves and who they are, that it is implying that they are ashamed
of who they are, esp. this aspect of who we are.  Today's society seems only
slightly obsessed with sex, and to be bombarded with heterosexual images
everywhere often provokes a more extreme counter-reaction from those who
do not conform with the always heterosexual images of sensuality.
And then there are some people (like me) (the above was also like me) who 
worry about other people's perceptions of them, and how that will affect 
behavior and actions, and want to make sure that they get treated according
to who they are, and not someone's false interpretation of who they are.
(i.e. wearing a bisexual button that says "Bi the way, don't assume I'm gay/
straight" so that when walking arm in arm with an SO, people treat you as who
you are, not who they think you are.)
But of course, the upshot of all this is:
Do what makes you feel comfortable.  It's good that you don't feel like you 
need to advertise.  If there wre no stigmatism, that's probably how all of
us would be.

Just my two cents. (or four)

*hug*
Zoe


>
>
>                                 Dane Spearing
>                           dane@cardinal.stanford.edu
>                              AOL: DaneRS@aol.com
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Party Face, Net Face was Appearances on and off the net
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:08:19 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <MUFFY.93Jan26114142@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.184954.27071@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>> In article <MUFFY.93Jan23184048@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>> >Me, I clean in the nude...*grin*.>Some people seem to get excited
>> >watching other people work in the nude, I'm not sure why...*GRIN*.
>
>> And, for some reason, kitchens have become peculiarly erotically-charged
>> places for me ever since I met Justin...
>
>*grin*...good point, I cook nude, too.  Especially when frying bacon...
>and, of course, I like to use my lovers as kitchen slaves...

Just keep them away from that Vietnamese hot pepper sauce...
--scott
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Organization: the house on the corner
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:41:35 GMT

In article <1k4f23$qv6@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>OK, I'm sorry - I'm not being terribly understanding, but the quoted
>note leaves some important context out.  I'm a hard-core Ethical
>Relativist, so there's no way I'll judge the absolute statement above.

Have to agree with Mike here.  Sometimes it's ethical, sometimes it's
not.  The information given is neither sufficient to determine an
answer, nor sufficiently interesting to encourage me to think about one...

>>   david parsons \bi/ 50% header, 30% quote, 30% sig, 10% article.

>Say, Orc, you got any mathematician in you? ...

As often as possible--that's why he's up to 120%.


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Empress Sue)
Subject: Re: This is a post.
Reply-To: shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:53:58 GMT

(Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>If you are looking for a serious post, just kill this article now.
All set on serious stuff for right now, thankyouverymuch.

>[deleted pieces/parts]
>Just though I had been too quiet as of late.
???????

>For those who was hoping
>I was gone, no such luck.  The Dragon General, O.O.D, R.I.P is
>still here, complete with his new black belt... in SnugFoo no
>less.
Ah-ha...surely there weren't any with this hope...certainly not me!  I 
think I mentioned the SnugFoo black belt in private mail...<*grin*>  
Well-deserved, I'm sure.

>So many articles I've been wanting to reply to, so much
>mail that I've been letting build up.  Why?  Don't know.  Must
>be those early school day blahs.
So many articles...so little time?  or so little inclination?  Oh 
dear...truly hope it's the former.

><Looks enviously at the reception being planned at UDel.>
>[wistful remarks deleted]
>ever now and then in Wayne, when I am not visiting my mother in
>Boston that is.
 ^^^^^^
<Eyes open wide, then wider *gasp*> *I* didn't know that...when do you
come up here?  I live in Arlington.
You know...Boston --> Cambridge --> Arlington --> Lexington, etc.
When's your next visit?  I know, I know...school's in session...but 
when's your next visit?

>Damn... I'm rambling again aren't I...?
Weeellllll, I dunno about anybody else...but I learned something new 
in this post! <*grin*>

>I think I'll just cut off this post now and try again when I really
>have something of value to say.
See my not above.

><Sends hugs all around...>
><Kisses to a few special people.>
Thanks, I'll take the hugs and send some right back atcha!  I'm 
special...but I don't know if I'm one of *your* special people.

>-Points (Dragon who is feeling decidedly strange these past few days...)
Aaaahhhh...but does strange mean love?

Sue	(Banimpire -- making a reference to a previous post wherein the 
	fierce Dragon Points mentions that tender feeling in 
	passing...and wondering -- again -- if anyone else noticed.)
<*evil grin*>
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard)
Subject: Laurie 8 wins at last!
Summary: or fate...
Keywords: coincidence
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:40:49 GMT


Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!!

Something has finally gone right for Laurie 8!!!!

UPDATE: Having been pretty much forced to seek a new place to live by the
   uncaring Tasmanians surrounding him, out intrepid Laurie 8 is busy looking
   for a share house that doesn't mind his sexuality.

How does one go about such things - well, the only place in Hobart with
a gay/bi noticeboard is the AIDS council in North Hobart. Four rooms up for
grabs - one already taken, two way too far away from Uni to even consider, one
wants me to write to a PO Box first.

Laurie 8 puts all his creativity into trying to convince the Post Office Box
(still smouldering) that he is a nice guy (tm).

Meanwhile, advertisments in the paper get read, houses get visited, the "Does
it matter that I'm bi and have a boyfriend who intends visiting occasionally?"
question gets popped to responses ranging from "No, I suppose that's OK" to
"Get out of here, pervert!". One particularly nice place catches the eye of
Laurie 8. View 9/10, current occupants 8/10, room 9/10, living space 10/10,
"No, that isn't a problem" to the oft-popped question. Sounds good.

Phone disturbs the stir-frying of some pork strips to go with water chestnuts,
beans, broccoli, peas, carrots, baby corn and other assorted niceties...

"Hello."
"George?"
"Speaking..."
"This is Peter - from the house you looked at on Saturday. We got a letter in
 our post-office boc from you this morning. When would you like to move in?"

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!

Laurie (once a victor...) 8

Laurie 8 <heard@postoffice.utas.edu.au>  | Some Driveways are concrete
Theoretical Chemistry PhD student        | Some Driveways have bricks
University of Tasmania, Australia        | Other Driveways
Unashamed 70s man, glad to be glam.      | Have Pebble-Mix - Laurie 8         
Opinions expressed above are those not only of Laurie 8, but the whole world
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d   (415) 336 0742)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Are most of us Hetero guys really that insensitive?
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:41:25
Organization: savage hackers
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In-reply-to: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 02:46:35 GMT


In article <1k28mb$f79@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
> Still, most hetero guys don't have clue
> one about anything outside their culturally assigned roles.

  No, mike... most *people* don't have a clue.  Not just het males.

> It's as true as it ever was: a good man is hard to find.
> Mike, feeling some of the poignancy of that statement just now.

  Do tell?

 -- d
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:57:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan24.201746.25459@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:


>Anyway, That's what it means. I don't know when it started. There are other
>groups who use triangular symbols (Illuminati posers for example) but if you
>see it upside down this reading is a safe bet. Especially in a place like this.

>  -Ximena

"Illuminati posers?"  That's me you're talking about, hon.

In any case, to throw out some utterly trivial info, the Illuminati symbol
(which is intended specifically to represent Adam Weishaupt's Bavarian
Illuminati) is a triangle with an eye in it, more specifically one face of a
pyramid with an eye in it.  It's kind of like the one on the back of a
dollar bill, except that the top section is not detached.

And for the record, I am not an "Illuminati poser"...I merely enjoy playing
the rollicking mini-game ILLUMINATI from Steve Jackson games, as well as
reading the Illuminati Chronicles by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. 
If conspiracy theories and silly sci-fi intrigue you, pick up the
latter...if you prefer being PART of the conspiracy, play the former.  No,
no, don't thank me, just watch your back....

Drewcifer the Illuminated
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:31:56 +0000

: Or the version of coffee which, rather than milk and sugar, combines the two
:by just using condensed (? or do I mean evaporated? The sweet one of those,
:at any rate) milk. Given the milk-varient's so dense, it adds something to
:the appearance of the coffe (especially in a glass); nice change from floating
:cream on the top.

Ah, Sergeant-Major's tea.  Takes me back.  It is indeed condensed you're
thinking of.  However, the Germans regularly take evaporated with coffee.
They even call it 'kaffeemilch'.

: ObBiRelevance: um. I guess I could make some sort of crack about cream being
:ideally served from a navel rather than a glass, but it's been done. <grin>

You did say Malaysia - is that Cream of Sum Yung Gai? [no prizes for
spotting where *that* one was pinched from, dudes...]

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dms4s@helga13.acc.Virginia.EDU (Sailor on the Seas of Fate)
Subject: Re: Ever wonder...
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:52:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.072630.2876@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
>Apologies if this is in the wrong newsgroup, but this hit me at 2 in
>the morning (as weird ideas are wont to do), so with appropriate
>blushes and cute, adorable grins, I'll get to the point.
>
>Is there any such thing as bi erotica, or do erotica manufacturers
>just assume we'll look at anything and everything out there? Are
>there different standards/tastes for bi-women and bi-men?
>
>It just struck me that although there's Playboy, Playgirl, Penthouse,
>the Advocate, etc., etc., and so forth, I have never heard of any
>movies or publications aimed squarely at bi's? Am I right, or is
>there just so little perceived interest, as most of us can get aroused
>by Mr. _and_ Miss February?
>
>Hugs all around! And I missed the beginning of the Tori Amos thread--
>could someone e-mail me on just who she is? Many thanks!
>

My local video store has quite a few bi sex videos. I haven't rented
any of them so I can't recommend any titles. And Tori Amos is a singer.
I'll go by the video store this week and see what's there.  Too bad i
don't have a vcr :(.

Dave

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