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From: tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney)
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:22:30 GMT

john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) writes:

>-> Archery All Band Antenna and cannot get the standing wave out.  There
>-> are no adjustments on the antenna and he has removed all the slack in
>-> the coax in hopes that would do it.  The standing wave is over a 3 on
>-> his meter (sorry I don't know what the 3 is), but my grandfather
>-> tells me it should be below a 2.  Any suggestions?
>Actually the adjustment should be inside the radio, not on the antenna.
>As I have heard, anything over 3 is dangerous to your receiver so I
>wouldn't recommend using the CB until its corrected.

A high SWR doesn't hurt a receiver...it just loses sensitivity due to
mismatch loss between the antenna and coax.... there is no adjustment 
inside the CB to correct the SWR if the mismatch is outside the CB.


>-> Second, I know it is legal to transmit 4 watts.  My grandfathers
>-> Pres. CB is only transmitting 2, as is my Realistic Car CB, how can
>-> these be set up to 4 watts?
>If the CB has what it takes to put out 4 watts then a two-way radio shop
>could adjust it for you.
>                                                                                             
If the transmitter is operating into a mismatch, that is, high SWR,
the ALC (automatic level control) circuits in the radio will lower 
the transmitter's output.  If a transmitter is operated at FULL output
into a high SWR, the transmitter's final amplifier may blow.
From: cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: RG-58 cable (was: We all know...)
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:48:11 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

>>sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz) writes:

> Ross...Ross...Ross...with HOW MUCH LOSS??!! RG-58 is not designed to be used
> with heavy power or at frequencies much above 100 MHz..it's lossy! And your
> assumption about the SWR is a bit screwy...go get a copy of "Reflections" -
> ARRL press - and you'll see what I'm talking about.

BTW: What are the loss/ft (or yard,etc) for RG-58, RG-8, RG-8X ?

Brad Steinman
University of Toledo Computer Services
cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
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From: sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,misc.misc
Subject: Re: Some More CB Questions
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:17:51 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <33kHPB3w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.) writes:
>antenna you are talking about.... The Coaxial Cable length is probably the 
>problem.  Have him measure the cable in 102" lengths (roughly 1/4 
>wavelength)  That oughta help.... if he needs say 48 feet, then he would 
>need (roughly.. 8 102" lengths)   Others I am sure will give you more 
>precise info.

NO! NO! REPEAT AFTER ME: COAXIAL CABLE LENGTH HAS NO EFFECT AT H.F. FREQUENCIES!
-----------------------

 Gary, will'ya wack this guy with a D104 please...


-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY           +-------------------------+
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3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405     +-------------------------+
{rutgers}!ttidca!sorgatz <- until 8/15/92 after-> (sorgatz@soldev.TTI.COM)
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> a rough price of a handheld CB?  The canadian prices are all over
-> $100, more than the price of my car CB and antenna combined.
Oh, by the way the Maxon model 27-LP was $79.95 and includes the
antenna. That price is what I paid not including tax last summer.
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re:
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:08:19 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <2251@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> barryc@malamute.UUCP (Barry Chalcroft) writes:
>Gary KE4ZV posts:
>> We don't care what it does at 100 MHz or above, this is the CB news group. 
>Flame on:
>
>Speak for yourself, GMRS runs at 462mhz. That`s a form of CB, right?
>Never assume that what *you* care about is what every one else cares about.
>
>Flame off:

Indeed. GMRS is GMRS, class A CB is dead Jim.

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Subject: items for sale
Summary: hand held and sidebander
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:12:07 GMT


I have the following cb items for sale which are in perfect condition:

	1 - TRC221 40 channel handheld - includes nicads and charger.
	1 - TRC465 40 channel am/single sideband mobile set.
	1 - SWR meter and patch cord.
	1 - Trunck mount base loaded ant.
	1 - Magnetic mount base loaded ant.

All items come with orginal packing.  I would like to get $300.00 CDN for
the lot.  Reason for selling - no time to use them.  I can be reached at 
1-613-727-1681 or by e-mail if you are interested.

later
Barry
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Q VS 10
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:09:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.103400032
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison)
> 
> -> it, even little kids with their 100mW walkie-talkies are using 10-4
> -> and 10-20. You certainly never hear police or other government
> 
> -> officials using Q...always 10 and 11 codes. Wake up hams and learn a
> -> lesson or two from the CB'ers and the rest of the radio world.
> 
> On CB I only hear 10-4, 10-20, and a couple others. Most of the 10-codes
> aren't used as far as I can tell. I hear people who are HAM operators on
> the CB in the late evening and they use Q codes and the 10 codes
> mentioned above, but some of the 10 codes seem useless.
>                                                                                                 
Come on John, useless indeed! One never knows when you'll have to run a license
plate check and driver check on 2m (10-27, 10-28,10-29) or when
it's time for a donut (10-7) or that your other station has a 
felony warrant outstanding against him (Code 9Frank), right, Eric? 

Even different police departments have differing Ten-codes. And some
enforcement agencies (DEA) use something else entirely, Code 4?

Between military comms, civil aicraft (ICAO), police, federal agencies and 
various other radio users, I'd say that "the rest of the radio world"
hasn't agreed on standard procedures so why should hams adopt the CB
way of doing things? 

There may be some better approaches to some things in the CB community.

Name some.

Ya gotta copy on all that, there, buddy, ,4?, BEEEP!!

(Ron)
Hint: Listen to some other agencies on your scanner.......
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: RE: WE ALL KNOW IT'S ILLE
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> > THat's probably why they quit requiring licenses for CB. I just
-> wish UHF > radios for GMRS were a little less expensive than they
-> are.
-> >
->
->   You and me both.... Gad!
Actually the higher prices are worth the higher quality on some of the
units for UHF.
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Need help determining value of SSB CB, please.
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:36:07 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Howdy...

        Sorry to bust your bubble, but that is an O-l-d radio....I can tell
because it only has 23 channels.  
        I have a friend that's lookin' for what you have if it's small
enough to use mobile.  
        I think you might be able to get about $75.00 for it (sight
unseen...) Which is DAMN Good for Any CB AM or SSB...
        But what do I know?  I'm just a lowly Tech+....
        Anyway, if you're interested, I can give you his AD on here....
        Hope it helps....get some other estimates....I'm just 1 person...

        Later....
        
        -=Phantom=-  (or KB5OWZ (Tech+))
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> Can anyone advise me about the range of these handhelds (compared to
-> the 4 watt CB in my car) and their practicality?  My guess is that
-> their range wont be as good, but should be satisfactory.
No the range won't be quite as good with the antenna that comes with a
handheld. I have a Maxon 40 channel 4 or 1 watt and I can reach out to
about 6 miles when the channels are clear, something that can't be
depended on. If your on a motorcycle you probably won't want to lug
around a large antenna. I'm not in New York but I bought mine from Andy
Electronics in Houston, so you could probably find a two-way radio shop
who sells this model. It comes with a rubber-ducky antenna which is
perfect for stuffing in a bag. Radio Shack also has walkie-talkies but
they seem to be more bulky than the Maxon. I'll dig up Maxons list of
distributors and see if one is in or near the NY area.
From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Trunking and Linears (was: We all kn
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:21:52 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:

> that gets hams cranked up. The FCC banned the manufacture and sale of *all*
> external amplifiers operating in the frequency range 25 MHz to 144 MHz 
> because of illegal operation by CBers. That meant that hams lost the ability
> to buy an amplifier that covers 10 meters or 6 meters. Of course they can
> still legally *build* their own, but commercial manufacture has been banned
> since 1979. Older hams still get cranked up over the fact that 11 meters
> used to *be* a ham band before it was given to CB.
> 
 
     Hmmmm... well I hear on the air all these shops selling "linears".  
Brand-new.   You can get a 50 or 100 watter for $89 now.  Higher power 
ones cost more.   Prices are going down, down, down.....   I only hope I 
move out of the city soon, because it will be impossible to talk soo, 
after the BBLJs take over.... not that they already haven't.
     I'm surprised the mfgr of them is illegal.  Since the easy 
availability loaclly here shows nothing to prove that.


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|                           | johnw@bluemoon.rn.com  |  cruel world that |
|Sysop: EastSide Connection | jwilkerson@delphi.com  | wishes to destroy |
| (CoCo) (614) 755-2492     |------------------------|       me"         |
|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
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From: tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: small point...
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:39:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom) writes:

>Well...

>        Watts and amps are 2 Totally different things....

Well, the current (amps) and the power (watts) ARE related.

The standard automobile voltage is 13.8 volts.  Most batteries 
are at 12 volts.  Let's just say the voltage stays the same, Tiffany.

If you double the current and the voltage stays the same, the power 
will double also.  P = IE.  i.e.,  (2xI)E = 2xP.

I don't know where you learned electricity, but you'd better put your 
head in the real world. 

Tom
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> And could anybody in New York State (preferably Buffalo area) give me
-> a rough price of a handheld CB?  The canadian prices are all over
-> $100,
Try Steve Kappel & Associates at 1-914-268-9266. They serve the NY area
and are a distributor for Maxon Electronics. Or call Maxon at
1-800-922-9083 , Fax # is 1-816-891-9340.
                                                         
Xref: sparky rec.radio.cb:845 misc.misc:3142
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: WE ALL KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL,
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:40:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ke4zv.1992Aug16.134004.19058
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Aug14.135452.2110@ttinews.tti.com> sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz) writes:
>In article <rwa.713488882@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander) writes:
>>sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz) writes:
>>
>>> Antennas that claim to be rated for 1000 watts, but come with RG-58
>>> coax..I wasflabbergasted at that..I mean how dumb are these people?!
>>
>>RG58 will carry a kilowatt if the match is good (less than 2:1).  Given
>>a fifty ohm load, you get 223V and the current is a hair over 4 amps.
>>This is no big deal.
>
>Ross...Ross...Ross...with HOW MUCH LOSS??!! RG-58 is not designed to be used
>with heavy power or at frequencies much above 100 MHz..it's lossy! And your
>assumption about the SWR is a bit screwy...go get a copy of "Reflections" -
>ARRL press - and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Loss of Belden RG58A type coax is less than .5 db for a typical 20 foot
run at 27 MHz. We don't care what it does at 100 MHz or above, this is
the CB news group. RG8 has a loss of .2 db for a 20 foot run at 27 MHz.
Neither is significant. The critical numbers are the voltage breakdown
rating and the current handling capability of the two types of cable.
RG58 is rated for 1900 volts and RG8 is rated for 4000 volts. For a
VSWR under 2:1 neither cable's rating is approached. VSWR would have
to approach 10:1 to damage RG58 and 20:1 to damage RG8. Those values
are way beyond what's normally found in a CB installation. The center
conductor of RG58 is rated to carry 15 amps while RG8 is rated for
30. Neither limit is being approached here.

Carefully re-reading Maxwell *might* be a good idea for you. He devotes
a chapter to the *myth* that high VSWR means high losses. Only in certain
special cases is a high VSWR a problem. No tune radios are one such case
that is common with CB. The *radio* can't force enough current into the
impedance it sees so you don't radiate much power. That has nothing to do 
with the cable's ability to handle the power.

Gary KE4ZV
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: But wait! There's More!!!
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:41:16 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Oh....
        
        Hey....just a strange little question here.
        
        If you have your coax in multiples of your fundamental wavelength
(i.e. 102"....), won't that Also make your coax Resonant?????????
        If so, then this is not good....
        Pl. Enlighten me, Ok?
        
        ...Phantom
----
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: We all know it's illegal, but...
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:38:15 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Hey!

        Well, I can guarantee that the first SOB that tries to turn ham
radio into their own personal Huge CB Band (i.e. operating illegally,
etc...) will be found and reported to the FCC at Once!!!  There are more of
us [Legal, Docile operators] than there are of them.  (Although there sure
is a bunch of Crap on 160 meters these days....somebody should just nuke
the whole band.....;-)    )

        -=Phantom=- (kb5owz)
                     (Tech+)
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: SMALL POINT...
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> A mid-size car can't even put out a K-watt,
-> with a 60A alternator at 14V supply,
-> thats (lets see P=IE I=P/E=1000/12)
->
-> >>> ~72  amps.. <<<
Remember that the battery has to go dead before the alternator takes the
whole load. I ( and friends) have built car stereo systems that draw
more than 100 amps and of course killed the engine after the battery was
drained. So something that does draw more than the alternator could run
for some period.
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:42:55 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <BtCp2p.2HD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney) writes:
>
>Almost all modern solid state transmitters are designed with ALC
>(automatic level control) circuits which have two purposes:
>
>1.  To limit the transmitter's output to below saturation.... this helps
>prevent splatter and intermodulation... ALC si an essential part of a SSB
>transmitter.
>
>2.  To limit the transmitter's output if it operating into a high SWR.
>A transistorized amplifier can be blown if it operated into a bad 
>mismatch (high SWR).  In essence, if the transmitter does not see
>a 50 ohm impedance (resistance is a component of impedance, so you can't 
>use an ohmmeter to check), some of the power is reflected back into the 
>transmitter and can damage transistors.  The ALC will rool back the 
>drive level of the transmitter to a safe level.

Well, not completely true. Many AM CB sets just use a 20 watt PA
transistor run at reduced voltage and no ALC. It's cheaper, and 
works just as well to protect the radio. It isn't reflected *power*
per se that damages the final. What happens is that when the reflected
wave is *re-reflected* back toward the antenna at the radio output
network, the vector sum of the two waves can raise the RF voltage seen
by the final transistor if they are of the proper phase, a function of
cable length. That can cause junction puncture. And, the waves will add
in such a fashion to cause the impedance seen by the output network
to be at such a value that the stage can no longer *efficiently*
deliver power to the load. This inefficiency can cause excess heat
in the final transistor, possibly destroying it.  Using either
a more robust transistor *or* ALC will tend to prevent damage.
Remember that the transmitter is a *source* not a *load*. All the
power *that can be delivered* will be absorbed by the load. Excessive
heat is the result of stage *inefficiency* caused by working into other
than the design load impedance, not by reflected power being absorbed
by the transmitter.

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: We all know it's illegal, but...
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 10:13:49 EDT

> 
> |Those individuals
> |will get no quarrel from us.  Individuals who butt up against the
> |service's limitations and want to overcome them in illegal ways (e.g.
> |"bi-leaniers", "talking to Uncle Skip") will be gently informed of the
> |risks involved, and better (as well as more legal) alternatives such as
> |amateur radio.
>  
> And we're all *sooo* fortunate to have you to police us.  BTW, how is
> amatuer radio "more legal".  Something is either illegal or legal.  That's
> like saying someone is "more pregnant".
 
Oh. you will find a great many more people also "policing"  Just say "Hey 
I gotta linear, and I love to blast others off the air"   I guarantee you 
will get flames from all corners of the area this group is received by.
 

|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| John L. Wilkerson Jr.     | johnw@bluemoon.uucp    | "A realist in a   |
|                           | johnw@bluemoon.rn.com  |  cruel world that |
|Sysop: EastSide Connection | jwilkerson@delphi.com  | wishes to destroy |
| (CoCo) (614) 755-2492     |------------------------|       me"         |
|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: know it's illegal
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:06:53 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Hey...

        I have built a 2 meter and a 10 meter antenna out of electrical
conduit (last year.....) and the conduit was only about $3 or $4 for 10
feet....pretty cheap!!

        ;-)

        -=Phantom=-
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Coax losses (was RG-58 cable)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:20:31 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

% I don't know about losses at 1MHz, and they're probably not very
% interesting to this newsgroup, but I'd guess you're off by about an order
% of magnitude. However...
        Oh...well....I'm just givin' the info in the "Electronics Data Book"
distributed by Radio Shack.....as far as I know, these figures are
correct...
% 		   Attenuation, db/100 feet
% Type		@50MHz	@100MHz	@200MHz	@400MHz
% -----------	------	-------	-------	-------
% 9913      	0.9	1.3	1.8	2.6
% RG-213/U	1.6	2.0	3.0	4.7
% RG-8/U foam	1.1	1.7	2.3	4.1
% RG-mini 8	2.0	3.0	4.5	6.0
% RG-58/U		3.5	4.1	6.9	9.5
% RG-58A/U	4.1	5.3	8.2	12.6
% RG-174/U	6.6	8.8	13.0	don't try this at home, folks
% RG-11/U (75ohm)	1.3	2.0	2.9	4.2
% RG-59/U (75ohm)	2.4	3.4	4.9	7.1
% RG-393/U,225/U	1.4	2.1	3.1	4.5
% RG-142B/U	2.7	3.9	5.6	8.2
% RG-214/U	1.6	2.0	3.0	4.7
% RG-223/U	2.8	4.1	6.0	8.6
% 
% I believe the original poster was asking about (or commenting on) the
% power-handling capability of RG-58. Recommended max for RG-58 is 280 watts
% at 50MHz, 180 at 100MHz, 125 at 200MHz, and 85 at 400MHz.
% 
% 73 de KD4LLV

        Like 50, 100, 200, and 400MHz are any More relavent to this net!
        
        btw....there is a BIG difference between "Line loss" (measured in
db/ft...) and "Power Handling Capability".  These are 2 entirely different
things and should not be confused.

        73!  de KB5OWZ (tech+)
        (Phantom)
----
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Q codes (?)
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:13:56 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

How much disk space you got??? (ha-ha)

        I have a book with 6 different phonetic alphabets, and Q codes QAB
through QNY.  It also has the NOTAM Code in it.  If you would like a copy,
PL. send a SASE to my Address and I'll copy it for ya...
        Oh yeah....1) Please fill me in on this "Lingo" stuff....What kind
of lingo?? and 2) Would you happen to know anything about Military
xcievers???  I'd appriciate this info....

        Thanks.....

        -=Phantom=-  (KB5OWZ (Tech+) (I have CODE!!! (ha-ha)))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb