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From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:23:43 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

jyri@thumper.bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>I've been reading this thread on insurance rip-offs (as if you had to
>specify it; aren't 'insurance' and 'rip-off' synonyms?). Anyway, are all
>these ludicrous prices for real? I mean, are all you people with ZX-11's,
>CBR's, (are all the "'"'s correct :-) and other sport-bikes paying amounts
>like those for insurance?!! That's absolutely insane! I'm currently

the whole story on my ZX-11 was after two years worth of renewal discounts,
the four seasons discounts, being 30, married, and >15 years exp., and a clean
record (as long as I take that stupid class to have that latest ticket
removed :), I was paying $850/yr (full coverage). if I let the policy lapse
and had to restart it, the cheapest around was $1800. on my new K100RS for 
full coverage I'm paying $250/yr to start, I dropped dairyland for a cheaper
place. that will go down after I complete that stupid class, and when I
insure the CB350 with the same company.

yes it is absolutly insane. I don't EVEN want to talk about why.

>how can insurance companies possibly screw everyone up SO badly! Aren't they
>regulated in any way; can they do as they please? There should really be
>some kind of strict price control for them! 

they are regulated, just find the company that's pumping the most money
into the appointment campaigns of your state insurance board and you will
have found your regulator.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How do you get your way in traffic?
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:33:08 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:

>It was disgusting, but I had to drive my cage into work the other day
>because it needed some work done.  As I was trying to merge in to a
>lane, this "lady" cut me off ... I thought "shit this never happens
>when I ride the bike".  But then it happened the next day, another
>asshole (and 30 feet later I can get in the HOV lane, ha ha).  So
>there's gotta be something I can do rather than just wimp out, without
>getting killed or "tarnishing" our image.

You were trying to merge and she cut you off?  Sounds like she had the 
right of way, to me.  Why the 'tude, dude?

>	1) A bat came to mind, but I haven't figured out how to carry
>	   it.
>
>	2) I remember somebody put sheet metal screws in the sides of
>	   their boot soles (Mike S. ?).  A good swipe may get them the
>	   message. 
>
>	3) A swift kick in the door.  But would that throw me off
>	   balance and didn't a biker in the bay area get in a little
>	   trouble when the car lost it into a telephone pole?

So you're talking about doing thousands of dollars of damage to someone's 
car just because they won't yieled right of way to you?  Have you seen a 
psychologist about this problem?  You sound like a sick puppy...

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: How to rid winshield microscratches?
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:44:04 GMT
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre


	My windshield is getting to show its age, and when driving
	at night, or in rain, millions of tiny-teency-weency scratches
	diffuse the light and partially obscure the view ahead.
	
	Is there any coating or process that can reduce this effect?

	A guy I met last summer put Pledge(tm) on his fairing *glass*
	to bead rain and keep the bugs from sticking too hard.  Would this
	also reduce the diffusion throught the scratches?  

	I bow in advance of the forthcoming net.wisdumb

-- 
  
    Craig Hamm, 
    Memorial University		   
    DoD #1500,           
    '81 Maxim 650 

	'A pancake? Jeez, all this time I thought it was a mousepad.'
    ----
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: Hard-soled shoes/boots
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:18:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.141542.11606@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
|> In article <16eg7rINN2ed@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> > Not hit, slide against.  Leather boots protect your toesies the same
|> > way a leather jacket protects your arms.  Also, boots ensure that the
|> > protection will not come flying off your foot in a crash.
|> 
|> Last year in the rain I stopped to help a motorcyclist that had been
|> caged while sitting at a red light.  He was rear-ended and thrown about
|> 20 feet.  One 11" tall boot stayed on and the other was pulled off.  He
|> was wearing open finger gloves, a denim jacket, jeans and an open face
|> helmet.  His Yamaha was toast but he was unhurt.
|> 
|> So much for over-the-ankle boots staying on when you get tossed...
|> 
|> - Roid

	The facts are the facts, and I don't dispute your story, but I
	personally feel much safer and comfortable wearing boots.  
	I DO personally think that boots offer more protection, and
	offer a greater probability of staying on the rider than a pair
	of Nike/Reeboks/(favourite brand here).  My boots also grip the
	ground better where cages drop oil (a cage's favourite pastime).
	Shifting up and down is effortless with boots too, since they 
	provide support to the top side of the foot.
	
	Craig Hamm
	'81 XJ650 (from nowhere)

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From: DHANSEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Current Harley Craze and Women
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:02:42 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <daved.713803311@convex.convex.com>
daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

>
>Nothing against Harleys , but thet seem to have become a
>fashionable craze in the semi-cool yuppie world. This was driven
>home last month in the following fashion:
>
(stuff deleted)

>So I ask , what good is the harley REBEL image when it has been so
>co-opted by the fashionable yuppie society, that young mothers would
>ask a harley owner for a ride. It appears that Harley
>owners of recent vintage are just buying a fashionable status accesory.
>
>Dave

I can't speak for any other recent H-D buyers, but *I* bought my recent H-D
FXRS to RIDE  - - took delivery 3July91  - - odometer now shows 17,489 miles.
This is the most trouble-free bike I've owned in my 27 years on 2 wheels.
Yes, it attracts ladies.  Yes, it looks good.  Yes, it sounds good.
But most importantly, it feels good going down the road.  Over the years,
I've learned that I could slow down a bit & still enjoy motoring
w/o achieving nominal DoD speed, hence the change of brands from
Suzuki & Yamaha to H-D.  It was a lot of bucks, but every one well spent.

Not all riders of newer H-D's are yuppie posiers.

Live to Ride, Ride to Live.
>
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: outstanding MC parking (wuz Re: Motorcyclists get a break.)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]Now if they's only pave the damned mc spots with concrete so
]my sidestand wouldn't sink in  (I have to use the center-stand or
]one of the patented DoD official Carbon Fiber Kickstand Pads :-)

Tandem has one of the best MC parking lots I've ever seen at a 
place of business. all spots are well marked and have 3 foot high
steel poles on every other corner and at the ends to keep the
occasional errant cage out. the spots are facing the sidewalk
near the entrance, but half of them are pulled away from the 
sidewalk to allow for a "drive out" lane, you can drive straight
through and around the row of bikes, or back out. some spots are on
concrete and some are on blacktop but those that are on the black-
top have an 8 inch wide steel plate bolted to the lot running the 
width of the spot right where the sidestand goes. the lot slopes
ever so gently away from the sidewalk so backing out is a simple
matter of pushing on a couple of toes. most of the spaces fall
under the shade of one or another trees and while great for keeping
the sun off, it does give the birdies a good place to target your
seat.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley women (tm)
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:39:11 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Aug19.155102.29911@advansoft.com> eparker@advansoft.com (Eric Parker) writes:
>
>You guys can call my bike fat, ugly and slow. But, don't say the same about
>the Harley ladies. They aren't the uptight little liberoids that most other
>women seem to be these days. If you want a lady that doesn't mind sleeping
>in a field next to a country road, doesn't mind when you come home drunk
>with most of your riding buddies at 4 in the morning (usually cause she's
>still with you). One that understands when its your anniversary but you have
>got to get that HOG running for the big run tomorrow. One that can snatch
>the whole weenie and get you the trophy. One that truly understands your
>needs as a real biker ( like waxing your HOG for you while you kick back
>and party ).
>

So what do YOU do for her? Let me guess - stick it in and wiggle it about,
AND not charge her. Generous and thoughtful to a fault.

Or is this a Harley slave, not a lady....

Ooops, almost forgot. Your bike is fat, ugly and slow.

(These Harley riders are SUCH easy meat. I'm sure they just write these
things to amuse me.)

echo flames >/dev/null

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"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:39:03 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 595@ncsu.edu, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>Screw this "Follow the guy home stuff"
>
>The way to find out this guy's address is to 
>go down to the DMV and ask for it or write them
>a letter.  I don't think you can just call.  I also
>don't know if they can ask you why you need it.

They can, and will, and you will need a supervisor's authority and a
record is made of the fact that you got it, and why, and that
information is available to the individual requested about, so that
when...

>Then drive you cage over to his house and burn
>it down so that you don't make bikers look bad.

He will have legal documentation that you obtained his address
immediately after an "incident," if you give some bullshit to the DMV
like "I picked up sunglasses that fell out of his car and want to
return them," that will further contribute to the circumstantial
evidence implicating you and exposing you to civil damages.

NOTE:  I am only familiar with the policies of the CA DMV.

..so what you do instead is bribe a DMV clerk, or hack into their
system.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Speaking of Fiamms...
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:06:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <1992Aug12.154129.17109@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> Well in an effort to locate the DoD horn of choice I've called
>8 different auto part stores the first question is always "carry what?".
>Volvo dealer was the only one that's ever heard of em. Wants $60
>a horn. No amp, no relay, no hunk of wire. 

Kragen's Auto Parts carry them for $10.99 each (one high, one low).  The
relay, in-line fuse, and wiring shouldn't cost you much more.  I don't
know how large the Kragen chain is but around here it's fairly common.
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
   mvij@novell.com                              \_/.  .  . . ........
From: rkou@skat.ucs (Roger H. Kou)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: laywer
Date: 16 Aug 1992 18:40:58 -0700
Organization: USC Computing Services, Los Angeles
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu


humm, (big pause) you folks (big pause) think (pause) I am going
to get (pause) a laywer? (pause) what's the matter? insecure about
(pause) your lifestyles? (pause) or you just don't like the fact
I said the word lawyer?!? lawyer lawyer lawyer lawyer lawyer lawyer 

boy, (pause) I just _love_ all the attention (pause) this newbie 
is (pause) getting. please do (pause) not ignore me.

BTW: a lawyer is (pause) worse than me, (pause) you know.

the fact, he said what he said. did what he did. it's only fair
for me to say my share of trash and do my share damage too. :-)

you don't have to like it, you know? FYI: i don't do 4letter-w**d.

-RK

flame guard on
From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (rja@sun.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW Service Gouge?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:56:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <2261@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>]As most of you know I just bought a new K75S last weekend and while
>]I like the bike very much I was a bit taken back when the bill for
>]my 600 checkup was $260.00.
>
>AHHHHHH! $260?!!?!?!
>
>]What does everyone else pay for their "authorized serive"?  What 
>]should I expect to pay for Service I and Service II?
>
>according to my dealier, the "standard" labor rate was recently reduced
>from $80 to $50. there will be extra for parts and probably if theres
>something wrong with the bike, but I got out of my 600 mile on my K100RS
>for the grand total of $78, and a friend had his K75S done for about
>$100 if I remember right (and the dealer even refunded $30 since they
>dropped the rate right after he had his done).

    Out here in CA, I payed about $180.00 for my 600 mile service.
    It was on sale, and normally would have been about $216.00 I
    think (this was at San Jose BMW).
--
Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.

"When you pull the pin on Mr. hand grenade, he is no longer your friend"
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:51:13 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
: In <5676@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: 
: >   The same rule applies to drunks, let them pass then keep an eye on them 
: >from behind, it is safer.
: 
: 	I disagree.  If a drunk causes an accident and you're following,
: guess where you are headed?  Yup, right towards the accident and the
: other drivers swerving to stay out of the carnage.  I pass them and speed
: on to the next exit, whereupon I find a pay phone and call in his plate,
: speed, direction, and all that other nice stuff.  Then I head back onto
: the road, secure in the knowledge that a state trooper will soon pass
: me at 95mph intent on nailing this idiot.  When I then happen upon a
: drink driver being cuffed and stuffed into the back of a patrol car, the
: joy felt is worth the measly five minutes of time I spent.

   No, passing a drunk is *definitely* a bad idea.  He may swerve into
you either intentionally or not.  He may get a "you're not gonna pass
*me*" attitude.  Don't rely on your speed to get you away.  A friend of mine
was run over from behind by a drunk cager doing >100MPH.
   You can always leave enough following distance if you are behind the drunk
so that you won't pile into his wreck.  Calling the cops is good though.
In fact, I did that once on a trip in my cage.   From behind I watched the
drunk drive his car up onto a guard rail.  He was sitting there with all four 
wheels off the ground and gunning his engine trying to move when the cop
showed up.

--

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* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
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From: sandman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:17:45 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <16b36lINNqkf@rodan.UU.NET> smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>I pay $180/year for this.  The drawback on them, though, is that they
>don't insure crotch-rockets in any way, shape, or form.  When I called
>the first time to get a quote, they said they didn't insure my bike, but
>then the lady realised I had said GS550E, not GS550SE.  It's amazing the
>difference one letter can make....;-)

You probably mean GS550ES, not SE.

The E and ES are identical bikes. The ONLY difference is the fairing(which
makes the bike heavier and less sporty), and the ES has an electronic
tack instead of cable because the cowling bracket is in the way
of the E's cable. I own an '85 GS550E. Except for the paint, it looks
exactly like an ES because I bought an ES for parts and transfered the
fairing. It came with the Lockhart lowers which I also have.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:27:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug12.152719.5887
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <956@pico.OZ> conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au writes:
>paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>: In article <1992Jul30.124412.4984@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>: + <stuff deleted>
>: So how come there are so many ex-patriate Canadians & Brits living here
>: in the US???  Couldn't stand the great systems you have there?
>:
>
>Dear Paul,
>   isn't it amazing how UsoAians think that everything is theirs?
>Please note that ..@bnr.uk is not within your country.  Much as it may

Okay...  Where's ..@bnr.ca?  CA is the U.S. postal abbreviation for
California.  Last I heard, California wasn't in the U.K.

>Does the term "Central America" mean "Kansas" to you too?

What does Central America have to do with Kansas?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
Which is worse: using vast wealth to trounce a small country on the battlefield,
or using vast wealth to trounce several countries on the basketball court?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:23:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:

>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?

It Sure works just fine on my shaft drive ST1100. Maybe your not doing it right?


>-- 
> * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
> * (213) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
> * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
> * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters 
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:41:45

"Craig" == Craig Hamm <hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca> writes:

Craig> 	I felt like starting to put the sidestand down at the light,
Craig> and make 	like I was going to approach the cage.  But,
Craig> better judgement 	prevailed (arghh), and when the light
Craig> went green, I left him 	far-away-ville.  I suppose if I was in
Craig> the states, I could've just 	shot him?

Nah, we don't shoot people here for things like that. :-)

On the other hand, if you're moving and there's a tailgater like that,
grind the centerstand a bit.  Scares the shit out of 'em...

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
            '91 CB750, soon to be joined by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Kevin
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:19:43 GMT

In article <Bt3s9H.1nF@news.udel.edu> andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
>Anyone from the East Coast or midwest up for a ride to 
>the West Coast to finish off the summer with a bit of 
>fun and excitement?!?!?!?!?!?
>
As long as we can swing by Cleveland on the way back.  I figure I shouldn't
show up more that 2 or 3 weeks late for the start of the semester. :-)

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmets and Motorcycle Fatalities
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:40:34 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
:<stats about lower death rate in Cali. since helmet law, deleted> 
: I should have to say this but i will: half as many riders.
: anyone know how many new bikes are being registered this year compaired
: to last year. also how many used bikes are being re-registered.
: also has anyone been paying any attention to the used bike market
: between the 2 years?
: 
So this means there ought to be lots of used motorcycles for sale in Cali.
now since all the posers refuse to ride with helmets.  So, what is the
deal?  Can I pick up a good used R100RS for $2000 or so?  After all if
*half* of the riders stopped riding the market should be *flooded* with
bikes.
   Oh, by the way, if indeed the death rate is lower because fewer people
now ride it still means the helmet law lowered the death rate.  The mechanism
that made that happen is just not the anticipated one. :-|

--

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* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
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