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From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: "Farting", "fat" sound - how to get it?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:25:22 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: flatulence bullfrogs

In article <Dec.10.22.51.17.1992.10330@gandalf.rutgers.edu> rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:
>
>I'm trying to figure out whether I need a new guitar (I've got an
>aluminum-neck fretless Kramer) or some kind of effects to get this
>sound: a very punchy, "fat" sound, kind of like a tuba. I've heard it
>on several recordings - for example Lou Reed's "New Sensations"
>(Fernando Saunders on bass). I'm pretty sure you need a fretless for
>this sound.
>
>Another way to describe the sound I'm after is "farting" or
>"croaking"...

This may sound facetious (and in a way it is), but the bass player in our
band got a really farty sound when one of the tubes in his old bass amp
blew.

Not that I would suggest doing this intentionally.

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
      Room 230B - 6138 SUB Blvd., Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z1
      Campus Mail Zone 1  phone (604) 822-6868  fax (604) 822-9019
.
.
.

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From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: SUMMARY: Farting sound
Keywords: flatulence
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:56:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.bass
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Thanks to all those who responded to my question of how to get a
"farting", "tuba" sound from a bass.

As someone recently posted, there doesn't seem to be a lot of
agreement! The answers divided into the groups: (1) it's all in the
bass, (2) it depends on the amps/distortion characteristics, (3) it's
a matter of EQ.

I think the reason there wasn't more agreement was that different
people have different ideas of what I meant by a "farting" sound.
Sorry I couldn't be more descriptive (or tasteful!). What I meant was
the "warm", "growly", "croaky" sound you hear on some recordings. I
don't think it's a matter of distortion -- more on that below. Rather,
I think it depends on a "rich"-sounding bass like a vintage Precision
or Jazz (or so I'm told), probably combined with some EQ to emphasize
the "growliness" over the bass fundamental.

I experimented a little with my aluminum-neck Kramer fretless. If I
boosted the EQ around 300-500 Hz I got a nasal tone which almost
started to sound right, except it didn't really "croak". I believe
that with another bass I could get the "croak" this way.

I had added an attenuation control between the driver and power tubes
of my amp a few years ago, and this can be used to overdrive the
drivers and get distortion without having to play loud enough to cause
a divorce! (That is, it doesn't overload the output tubes.) When I
play a bass through this it sounds just like a fuzz-tone guitar. The
distortion contains all kinds of "hashy" sounds which are not what I
meant by a "farting" sound. On the other hand, I recall overdriving a
cheap transistor amp with my bass and that used to give me a "BLAT"
effect. I can see how some might think this was the "farting" sound I
meant. This sound has very little bass fundamental to it, and has
little tonal variation. This is very different from the sound which
Fernando Saunders gets on Lou Reed's "New Sensations", where he can
coax some pretty expressive sounds from his fretless.

I'm pretty inexperienced at assessing bass guitars, but I've got a
good feel for amplifiers and distortion and am pretty sure that the
sound that Saunders gets (and I'm looking for) is not due to
distortion. Like I said, I think it's just the usual "growl" of a good
bass, highlighted with EQ. I'll post again once I've done some more
experimentation.

Regards,
Ralph
-- 
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Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: morrowjp@rtsg.mot.com (Jerry P Morrow)
Subject: Tube Bias Problems with SWR amps??
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:50:24 GMT

Hello!

I just bought a used SWR SM-400 bass amp.  When i tried it
out it sounded fine (for two minutes) and I bought it.  When
I brought it home, after playing it 5 or 10 minutes, it became
distorted at any volume.  I assumed it was the tube, and i 
replaced the tube (Groove Tube) and i still had the same 
problem.  I then brought it too the local SWR service place,
and they said they are almost SURE it's a bias problem.  
HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH THEIR SWR AMPS??

Jerry Morrow
morrowjp@adobe.rtsg.mot.com

From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:47:50 GMT
Subject: Re: >pointers for singing & playing
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass

>(Jeff Ramin) /  7:58 am  Dec  8, 1992 /
>I'd like some tips from those of you who play and sing at the same time.  
>I've only been playing a year, but I think I'm coming along pretty well.
>I can sing and play at the same time, as long as there's one syllable for
>every note played, or if I'm playing all eighth or quarter notes.  What I
>need help with is playing a rhythm and singing something else concurrently.

>For those of you who will write back saying "practice playing until it's
>second nature and then sing on top of it", I've already heard that one, and
>I'm trying it.  I'm looking for some additional help, if there is any.
>Thanks.

From what you post, it is obvious your main obstacle is *rhythmic*
coordination between your hands (bass playing) and voice.  You can
either play the bass line or sing OK, but you can't do both together.
What you have to do in these cases (non-simple rhythms) is first make
sure you have a precise part worked out for both your bass line and your
voice.  This puts a crimp in any improvisation, but it's really hard to
improvise while you're trying to play two instruments at once (your
voice is an instrument!).  Then when you get to the difficult parts,
slow down and figure out *exactly* how the bass line and vocal part
interact - in these cases, as you imply, the singing note and the bass
note are not falling on the same beat.  Play and sing them together as
slowly as you have to until the rhythms fit together correctly, then
gradually speed up until you have it right.

I know this sounds tedious, but that's what it takes.  This is similar
to what drummers or pianists have to do to achieve independence of their
hands and feet.  Eventually polyrhythms will come easier.  In some
cases, you even have to work out a spot to breathe in for your voice.

- Gary Rosen
From: frink-andrew@yale.edu (Andrew Frink)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: The BASSLIST/OWNERLIST
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:33:46 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

I have now completed an up-to-date version of my BASSLIST now complete
with an OWNERLIST.  To all of you who contributed, thanks.  We have
started a good information source.

I am going to post the two lists and would like it if those of you on
the list would check and make sure the info is correct.  I no longer
have your email to me and thus cannot check it.

drew
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers
From: pturner@sedona.intel.com (Pete Turner)
Subject: Re: Peavey Bass-Fex.  Anyone??
Originator: pturner@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:14:39 GMT


In article <Bz3nB9.GIv@news.udel.edu>, webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes:
> 
> 	Recently I read an article in Bass Player Magizine about
> the new Peavey Bass-Fex bass processor.  Does anyone know anything
> about these units??  

Last night I walked into the local music store and found my old guitar
teacher playing through a Pro-FEX (the guitar pre-amp/sig. processor).
If the Bass-FEX is half as good as the sounds I heard coming out of
this box, then WOW! is all I've got to say. 

After reading the lits on both these units, they are almost the same thing.
The difference is a "Bi-amp" effect the Bass-FEX has and the Pro-FEX doesn't.
The price of the Pro-FEX is about $560 (don't quote me though).

	Pete
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: pfaff@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.s.pfaff)
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:19:52 GMT


"does she play with a pick?"  !!!  that's great!!!  what will be 
her next outrageous display?

john
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: wilcox@cfht.hawaii.edu (Dan Wilcox)
Subject: Re: HELP!! I want a new bridge!
Reply-To: wilcox@cfht.hawaii.edu (Dan Wilcox)
Organization: Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:47:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.143559.21503@calvin.edu>,  (Dave) writes:
> I was wondering if there was anyone out there that could tell me where I
> can get a decent bridge for my 20-fret four string bass. Even better yet,
> if I could get a decent one through mail order. The basic problem that I
> have is that I want more sustain but I'm in college and I can't spend a lot
> of $$$. 
> 
> Dave

You might try Stewart MacDonald's Guitar Shop Supply, (800) 848-2273.
They have bass bridges from $13.00 and up.  (I do not work for GSS, they
just have about everything you would ever want for guitar & bass).

> 
> P.S. I'm getting married this spring. So I was also wondering if there are
> any married bassists out there who can tell me how they keep their marriage
> together without driving their spouses crazy with their bass. 

My wife plays drums, so it works out great! ;-)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb)
Subject: Re: Kubicki Contacted!  Have info!
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:28:51 GMT

In article <1gj0b1INNip@meaddata.meaddata.com> georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos) writes:

   You people who noticed that your basses were excessively
   climate sensitive are NOT imagining things...  there was a
   production run made by Fender where an error was made, and a
   normally-applied "deep penetrating sealant" (oil based, I was
   given to understand), wasn't applied to the necks.

   Fender is aware of the problem, as is Kubicki, and they are
   essentially waiting for the affected owners to call or make
   a warranty claim, at which time they'll be taken care of.

Gee, that's nice of them.  Too bad I already sold that bass.  I'll
have to see if I can find the guy I sold it to...  I might've kept
the bass if I hadn't had all that trouble with the neck.

--Mike
From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Need Bassist in Ann Arbor/South Michigan
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:53:10 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, USA

We need:

        - bassist for HeavyAcidNoiseRock band.
          (specifically in the Ann Arbor/South Michigan Area).

Must be serious and all that.  Make contact and we'll go through
the usual "how long have you played,what bands do you like,etc"
thing.

contact:

zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu

or call:

Eric @ (517)332-2089

or (local from A.A.)

Harold @ (313)663-9703

Thanks.
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From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: More SWR SM-400 Amp Questions
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:51:17 GMT
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.


    me> I was able to buy a metal grill replacement kit for my Goliath
    me> II (mine was an old style cloth grill), and SWR was kind
    me> enough to send me a cable plug when mine broke off -- no
    me> charge.

Just to clarify, SWR sent the cable plug for free. The grill kit cost
~$45.  It was the metal grill with SWR name plate, plus 4 screws.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Haapi's Hangout
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:50:11 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizaare

In article <1992Dec17.031952.1278@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> pfaff@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.s.pfaff) writes:
>
>"does she play with a pick?"  !!!  that's great!!!  what will be 
>her next outrageous display?

Next we'll have Madonna getting kinky with something with a long neck, and,
possibly, medium gauge strings.  :-p


-- 
Clay Haapala				"Behold the Holy Pogo Stick"
clay@haapi.mn.org
From: earlsie@think.com (Mike Earls)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Hartke 3500 amp / spkr cabs
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:32:02 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: quicksilver.think.com

I recently bought the Hartke head with a Sonic 4X10 cab with a tweeter.  In
my jam space I'm running the Hartke through the Sonic cab and an old,
unidentifiable Ampeg 8X10 relic I picked up for $100 bucks.  The ampeg is
there purely for purposes of volume and is doing fine.  The Hartke is great
too, but the Sonic cab SUCKS! Whenever I crank the Hartke past 1 the whole
cab just shakes and farts.

Anyway, I'm bringing back the Sonic for something of equal or greater value
this week.  Here are my options for replacements:

	* An Eden 15" Cab without a tweeter (used)
	* A Mesa Boogie 2X10 Cab (used)

What do you folks think about Eden cabs.  I'd like the bottom, but I'm
afraid that Ampeg isn't going to give me much clarity up top.  I'm confused
as to what to do, 'cuz I'm really a guitar player who took a gig playing
bass with a grunge band two months ago. Help!



Mike Earls
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, MA 02142
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Help with string please
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:06:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

I've a cheap Steinberger copy bass: a Kramer Duke.  It's a fantastic bass
for popping and slapping and carrying on planes (or all three).  It does
look like an Uzi in it's case, so security sometimes gets a little sweaty.

Two problems:
#1 I need to find some strings for this thing.  I need them fast (gig
this Friday!).  Last time I re-strung it, I had to look all over for
strings that would work.  The ball-end of the string goes at the top,
or nut-end of the guitar.  It encounters the nut a very small distance
from the ball, and thus most strings (e.g Rotosounds, my Rickenbacker
faves) with string wound about the first few centimeters of string at the
ball-end won't work.  I forgot the brand I found last time (d-oh!).
Anybody know what'll work?

#2 The low E string is much more powerfully amplified than the rest of
the strings.  I don't think it's an issue of resonance, as any note played
on that string has a bit more "punch" than any note on any other string.
The pickup is not set up at any strange angle either.  Is there a way to
adjust the individual poles on a pickup?  Any other ideas on what's wrong?

By the way, I played guitar in my last band (for 2 years), although I'm
first, foremost, and most proud as a bassist.  For the last 6 months I've
been recording in my garage, and this Friday will be my first bass-playing
gig out in over 2 1/2 years!  Man, am I stoked!

Thanks in advance, oh gurus of the Internet.
Sacrifice in your name will be offered at the gig this Friday.
No I will *not* smash up anything.

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and ready to bassify!)
From: hlh5721@zeus.tamu.edu (JIMI HENDRIX)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Fender Squire P-Bass & Crate B20XL amp forsale
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:58 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    



For sale****************


Fender Squier seris Precision Bass.  

I'ts red and in great shape!! 

Only things wrong are a couple of small chips
on the back that are basically not visible unless you pick up the guitar and
look at the back.  Since it is red you could fix them quite easily and well
with some glossy red fingernail polish.  I have not done this because I don't
have any red fingernail polish and I don't necessarily want to take my bass into
the local Revco to match the color


I bought it in June/july of '91 for a little over $300 (yes, I paid too much!)

Selling it because was looking for something different and got a Jazz Bass.

Asking around $150 but will consider any reasonable offer (PLEASE NOTE THE USE
						OF THE WORD REASONABLE!!!!)


Great learning guitar (Worked wonderfully for me) and just in time for Xmas.

Shipping is not a problem Because i still have the box my Jazz bass came in.



I also have a Crate B20XL amp that I may sell If i get a god enough offer for.
	It is a wonderful amp that is great for practicing but is not quite 
	loud enough for playing with a band.  I still have almost 4 years left
	on the extended warranty!!    $125.....firm.


Feel free to E-Mail with any questions you may have

Make me an offer!!!!!







LEE HUDDLESTON,                 
Texas A&M University,
College St. TX

"This views expressed are mine and are not necessarily those of
  Texas A&M University, its faculty, staff nor students"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal)
Subject: Re: "Farting", "fat" sound - how to get it?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:27:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: flatulence bullfrogs

In article <1992Dec12.081621.6972@netcom.com>, jamesh@netcom.com (James Hightower) writes:
|> rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I'm trying to figure out whether I need a new guitar (I've got an
|> >aluminum-neck fretless Kramer) or some kind of effects to get this
|> >sound: a very punchy, "fat" sound, kind of like a tuba. I've heard it
|> >on several recordings - for example Lou Reed's "New Sensations"
|> >(Fernando Saunders on bass). I'm pretty sure you need a fretless for
|> >this sound.
|> 
|> >Can someone tell me whether I need a bass which costs as much as a car
|> >or just a good Precision? I suspect the reason I'm not getting this
|> >sound from my Kramer has to do with the overly-rigid aluminum neck,
|> [...]
|> I don't think it's your neck, I have an alu-neck Kramer Duke, and
|> I get a VERY fat sound... I'm running through a Blue Tube preamp,
|> a Soundcraftsman power amp, and into a Carvin 4x12 guitar cab loaded
|> with stamped frame 200 watt Emenance speaker wired in phase. I get a
|> fairly plain, flat sound with 15" cabs, (Ive tried Acoustic and Kustom)
|> but the 4x12 really growls. I've tried Marshall guitar cabs, with the
|> same result,, but I don't trust them to absorb a lot of power.
|>   Anyway, before you throuw out your bass, you might try talking your
|> local guitar player into letting you plug into his 4x12. Check to see
|> if it's in phase first, (all four cones move the same way when signal
|> or a 9v is applied) since the volume of an out-of-phase cab doesn't
|> change as the cones move, which MIGHT allow the cones to move far
|> enough to hurt themselvs.
|> 		-- JJH
|> 
I agree with James here that a 4 X 12" or something simular may get you close.
I am currently am using a old Peavey 412F cab with 4 12" Scorpions (4 ohms)
wired in series/paralell configuration and I think I am getting close to the
sound you are looking for.  This cab also has P.A. type ports for each pair
of speakers that help the low end a bit.  I am using a solid state Peavey 
head that may be stopping me from getting exactly what you are looking for but
this is close.

Unrelated question.  Does anybody out there know the power handling capability
of these 12" Scorpions?


-- 
********
Opinions of John Deal at deal_j@apollo.hp.com
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass
From: serhody@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Stephen e. Rhody)
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:59:01 EST

In article <1992Dec11.171303.23146@iitmax.iit.edu> boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) writes:
>
>*****  SIMPLE SURVEY -- PLEASE READ *****
>
>I have seen much talk about Sinead on the net lately, 
>and was wondering what the general opinion of Sinead
>was.  Please take the 20 seconds it takes to reply to
>this question and answer it.  (A simple Y or N will do).
>Please use your newsreader's reply option or regular
>email to submit votes -- do not post your answer.
>
>Question:
>Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
>Sinead O'Connor?
>
>If you wish to send detailed replies as to why or why not,
>please do, but they are not required.  Thanks in advance!
>
>Jason Boardman
>boarjas@elof.iit.edu

Dear Jason,

I don't get it.  Has Sinead O'Connor started playing bass?  Does she play
with a pick?  What the hell is this doing here?

Just Curious,

Steve
From: harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Jeremy's "Performance Notes" in GFPTM wrong...
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:09:24 GMT
Organization: UB

any readers out there notice the screwup Andy Aledort made when writing up the 
article for the guitar transcription of Pearl Jam's "Jeremy"?

he refers to a "12-string guitar through an octave pedal with the first
octave turned all the way up" that appears at the beginning of the song and
at the very end.  knowing jeff ament plays a hamer 12-string, but not knowing
if it was him or not, i checked out their "Unplugged" session on MTV and sure
enough, it's just the 12-string bass, not a 12-string through an octave pedal.

what pisses me off about this is that they barely appease the bassists who
read the magazine [by printing bass tabs], and they go and put bass parts in
the guitar transcriptions for stupid reasons!  do your research guys!!!!

8)


-- 
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