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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      ... LEO!!!!

 That post just capped off a Hellacious day!!!
 Love you for sending it to the list, so I could see it! :)
 Keep smiling, because I know God's gonna use ya again like
 that... as long as you give him the praise!
 Be Bold and Courageous!!! (Advice from my friend, MATT!)
 Theresa

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From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dark Dreams

I sometimes have scary dreams too.   Remember to pray that God will not let
this dream come true.  I always wake up and then I pray and this helps me to
go back to sleep in peace.
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: John 6
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:22:00 GMT
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In article <9209111833.AA15929@motgate.mot.com>, bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com writes...

[...]

> 
>Now a lot of folks dismiss this as mere metaphor.  Jesus didn't!  He
>said:
> 
>  These words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
>          -- Jn 6:63b

[...]

>Jesus *still* wouldn't call it a metaphor.  He asked the Apostles:
> 
>  Do you also want to leave?
>          -- Jn 6:67b


	You seem to have overlooked 6:35

	"He who has comes to Me shall never hunger,
	He who believes in Me shall never thirst."




 en agape,
 Bob 

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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:24:31 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      ...G....

Well, G...
Hmmmm...

I'd love to see what I could do, however I have
deleted the post from Dan to which you were refering...

If you still have it, will you resend it, private e-mail?

Mostly if I remember, it had to do with we, as
Christians should not expect our government to
be Christian, just because we think being Christian
is the right thing to be...but I don't remember specifics.

Personally, I guess I agree that we should not demnad a
national religion.  But, if I think the teachings of Jesus
are correct, then I would want people in government that
would follow His way.  And I think I'm allowed to vote
accordingly.
Maybe this has nothing to do with what Dan was saying...or whatever
post you are refering to...but I said it anyway  :-)

I heard Chuck Colson say something this weekend.  We have become
too concerned about 'my rights' and have forgotten what is
'right'.  I'm not giving this example to cause flames or an
arguement, but, for example, we have pitted the rights of a
women to have a child against the rights of the unborn child
to live, without considering what is right.

Whether I'm a Christian or not, I would like to see my government
do what is 'right', even if sometimes it interferes with my
individual rights.
I'm probably just getting my foot in my mouth again...

Hope 'The Pride of Mississippi' did well!

Happy piccaloing/marching!!

Carol Nemec
Ya67@FERRIS
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:44:01 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      What is the P word??

Yes or No. Is the P word Prophecy?

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst  in  Dallas - Texas
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:24:35 CDT
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Course load...

 Hey, gang... just wanna say that I'll be on here even less than
 I am now... so that my music won't suffer!
 I just had the WORST piano lesson in MONTHS... sorry for this, but
 I'm setting Christia aside for the moment.
 Or, at least until I can strike a happy medium between music and
 this danged computer!
 God bless all of you... hey, send me REAL MAIL for a change...
 IF you can find time.
 Southern Station Box 7917 Hattiesburg, MS 39406-7917
 Theresa Blackwell

 PS... The "real mail" thing applies to everyone.
 My campus mailbox has been empty of any friendly mail
 at all, 'cept for the letter Mama sent last Friday.
 WRITE ME, WILLYA??? :)

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From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)
Subject: Re: Gays under fire
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:32:56 GMT


So far as I know, the estimate that 10% of the population is homosexual
originates with Kinsey.  There are some problems with his report, but I don't
know of anyone whose re-done it more rigorously (maybe if Miss Stephenson's
current thesis topic doesn't work out she can do it 8-).


Michael Kline writes:

> Problem is, it's hard to get those special rights unless you can claim to
> be 10% of the population.

Perhaps from a political perspective, as politicians are only interested in
things that people vote about.

From my perspective, everyone should be equal before the government, even if
their particular subgroup is extremely small.  Rights given to my immediate
family should also be given to someone else's immediate family.

Just what `special rights' do homosexuals want, anyway?


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu
"Riot, n.  A popular entertainment given to the military by innocent
 bystanders." -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:11:56 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Favorite Scripture

I think I answered this, but it hasn't come through yet...

But I goofed...it's Romans 8:31-39, I left out the chapter

Carol Nemec
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:49:05 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Second Parousia
              11 Sep 1992 08:18:00 CDT from <BKCOBB@LIFE.UAMS.EDU>

Dear Brian ;

Read Milton Terry's "Biblical Hermeneutics."
He not only addresses hermeneutics, but indicates the modus operandi of
hermeneutics within the scope of eschatology.
This will indicate how language is employed in "apocalyptic" sections
of the Word.  He gives examples.

Another good work is Stuart Russell's "The Parousia."


Jesse
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Al Gore's religious beliefs
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:36:00 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92091122281411@ASUACAD.BITNET>, KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET (Kerry Stephenson) writes...

[...]

>Also, the thing in Florida is for real, as well.  Being a recently
>converted occultist, I recieve mail from (as they say) "both sides
>of the aisle" and information (with a positive slant) on the Florida
>groups was one of them.  You should see some of the weirdness going
>on within New Age groups.  (I even have a map of the 5 sites in the
>US where the new consciousness will re-emerge shortly before the end
>of this century to do away with fundamentalist negative thinking and

	How close is one of the sites to Buffalo?

	Seems like there is a thermal wave coming.....


 en agape,
 Bob 

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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      CHURCH MUSIC (SILENT NIGHT)

 Franz Gruber needed a tune for Mass at Christmastime... that's
 how we got "Silent Night".
 He and another minister sat down one morning after discovering
 that the rats had eaten away at the organ bellows, and decided that
 since the guitar was the only instrument availible at the time,
 they really should 'get busy' with writing something for that morning's
 service.
 NOTE: this actually DID TAKE PLACE... IT'S DOCUMENTED in part of
 MUSIC HISTORY.
 So...with only around an hour before Mass that morning, these
 two ministers sat down and "collaborated" on what now is the
 most recognized Christmas Carol of all.
 "Silent Night" is a gorgeous tune, and happens to be "THE G's"
 favorite Christmas carol...
 I think that if Gruber and his friend hadn't been Blessed with
the Spiritual Gift of Music, we'd all be missing an INCREDIBLE
 tune at Christmas!!!
 (mho, of course...)
 "G"
 PS.... I'M A MUSIC INDUSTRY MAJOR... and have had Music History
 as a core requirement for my Bachelor's.
 This is a cool way to learn just what kinds of music had been
 used in Churches way back when....
 Here's another bit of information:
 KING DAVID IS CONSIDERED THE FIRST *ACTUAL* musician of all time.
 He's the first dude that ever WROTE lyrics to anything!
 (The entire book of Psalms is a collection of his tunes!!!)
 Neat, ain't it?

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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      TANX LON...

 I'll have to save that post... one thing my family
 doesn't seem to have the time for anymore, is family altar times.
 (with me and my sis in college, her husband and my dad
 in construction, my mom running all over....YIKES!!!)
 I'll talk to them about subsribing to this !!!
 God Bless
 "G"

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Subject: Re:a.graphe & b.I Corinthians 1,10-13
From: bthurman@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:25:51 -0500
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Can any scholar name for us a more generic ancient, medieval or modern Greek
word for 'writing' (as a noun) than graphe?  Would an affirmative response to
this imply that in given settings graphe may not have a substantial set of
specific senses, like 'indictment' or 'Sacred Scripture'?  Would it not remain
necessary to show from the context that such a specific sense must be intended
and that its generic signification does not suffice?
On the other subject:Does I Corinthians 1,10-13 suggest that those who said "I
am of Christ" were any less to be blamed for division than those who said "I am
of Cephas" or the like?  Would not those who meant "I am of Christ" in such a
way as to imply that the others were not be just as guilty of heresy (hairesis
= 'cliquish attitude') as those who said "I am of Cephas" or the like?  Did
Paul say anything to show that some Apollos or Cephas faction was any less a
part of the Church at Corinth than the ones who said "I am of Christ"?  Could
it not prove possibly more deceptive to think of one's clique in the church as
the one that belongs to the Christ in some sense that the others do not?
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:36:25 EST
From:         "PHILLIP A. HALIBURTON" <Z$T@FCCJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: OK, YOU GUYS ASKED FOR THIS....

DEAR THERESA BLACKWELL,

                       I LITERALLY THINK IT WAS ABOUT SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING
ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.  I THINK THAT ON THIS LIST WE SHOULD NOT GET DOWN ON EACH
OTHERS FOR OUR BELIEFS.  RATHER WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE ONEANOTHER.

                       YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST,

                       PHILLIP A. HALIBURTON
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:28:38 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The "P" word, unity, nature of posts and arbitrary.
              14 Sep 1992 12:52:00 EST from
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DearDan Graham ;

Good post on your part.
If a person believes the true Gospel, we must be patient concerning the rest.
Now, concerning those who think that Calvinists represent God as arbitrary do
great injustice to the perfect WISDOM of God.
The Lord could be arbitrary if His wisdom were tainted by sin.
Such is not the case, thank the Lord!!!



Jesse
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:19:33 EDT
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Test

Second test. Please ignore. Caught you again.

In His Love,

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:43:01 CDT
From:         Jesse Irwin Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What is the P word??

Dear Yvette ;

The "P" word is Predestination (Romans :29-30 < Greek, proorizo >.
Also found in Ephesians 1:5ff.


Unto Him who determines all things ;
Jesse Irwin Carnes
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:37:45 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: HOW are we RIGHTEOUS in Christ?
              9 Sep 1992 10:56:06 -0700 from <DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU>

Dear Mark Drake ;

The unsigned post on God's communicable and incommunicable attributes was
by me ... sorry I did not sign it.




Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:06:17 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 9/9

"What I say is true, and you should fully accept it: Christ Jesus came into the
world to save sinners.  And I am the worst of those sinners.  But I was given
mercy.  I was given mercy so that in me Christ Jesus could show that he has
patience without limit.  And he showed his patience with me, the worst of all
sinners.  Christ wanted me to be an example for those who would believe in him
and have life forever" (1 Timothy 1:15,16).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:26:31 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Re>Election

Brian wrote, "Are these the definitions you would use for election and
predestination?  If not, would you mind giving your definition for the terms?"

Although he asked Lon, I will offer my definitions as well.

Election is God choosing some set of folks for some purpose of His.  Israel in
the OT is a good, non-controversial example of election.  This elect nation was
separated from the other nations and had a dispensation of God different than
the other nations.  Every member of this election knew their election from the
Word of God addressed to them and they became members of this election through
their faith in this Word.  They had a different hope than the other nations, a
different God, a peculiar inheritance and destiny, and they walked and
worshipped differently (in accordance with their calling).

Predestination is not predetermining events, as in the idea of fate.
Predestination has to do with the ultimate destinies of the various groups of
elect folks, the ultimate ends of their journeys in the wilderness.  For
example, Israel in the OT was predestined to inherit and inhabit the Holy Land
in righteousness.  This was the destiny God marked off for them, since the
foundation of the world.  Because this destiny was chosen for Israel before she
existed, it is called PREdestination.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:07:24 CST
From:         "William M. Jordan" <IF20159@LATECH.BITNET>
Subject:      faithful church leaders

I think that the current discussion concerning a particular Anglican bishop
has gotten off track.  There are now debates over whether he is a good man
or a good teacher.  I would like to lead the discussion back to what I think
are relevant points concerning obligations of church leaders.

As I see the debate right now, some have said that Bishop X is bad for he
teaching things that are not orthodox doctrine.  A defender of Bishop X
commends him  for his exemplary Christian lifestyle and says the real bad
person is Bishop Y who says all the right things but doesn't live them, for
he now is on his third marriage.  I think we have been presented with a
false dichotomy: do we want orthodox teaching and bad behavior or
unorthodox teaching but very good behavior?  I think the correct answer
is that we should expect both orthodox teaching and good behavior from our
church leaders.

If a church leader is not teaching orthodox theology I do not think we
should follow him.  If he is living an immoral lifestyle I do not think
we should follow him.  We should expect (and demand) that our church
leaders teach the truth and practice the truth.

In Christ, Bill

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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:20:20 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Parousia and 2 Peter 3
              9 Sep 1992 13:37:59 EDT from <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>

Dear Lon ;

I do not need external, i.e., historical evidence for my idea ...
I have internal evidence.
The Word, in context, especially Revelation, indicates that the Temple had yet
to meet its desolution, but was coming.What I am saying is this :
the Scriptures are intrinsically defining and do not need the aid and
assistence of historical record for validity.
Example : Until the 1800's many "bible" scholars thought the city of Jericho
to be myth, for there was no historical -- empirical -- anthropological
evidence for its real existence.  When they finally discovered it, they
accorded the Biblical record as true and not mere myth.

Do we ascribe to such bible scholarship?
Do we, say, even assert that Christ might have been a mere myth unless we can
come up with His birth, dental, and certification of Messiahship records?
Heaven forbid!


Jesse Carnes
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From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dust In The Wind)
Subject: "You'd Understand If You Weren't Such An Idiot!"
Organization: Oedipus Oats -- You And Your Mother Will Love Them
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:41:15 GMT


I for one am getting a bit irritated by the constant stream of posts that all
say "My beliefs are obviously correct and if you disagree with me it is
because you are either ignorant or unthinking."  Jesse Carnes has sent in
several this week that say "Well, the way to read these verses in explained in
<name-of-book>, go read that and you'll understand why I am right."  Uh-huh.

Not to be outdone, Tom Brewer writes:

> My point is that John 6 clearly, not ambiguously, teaches God's sovereignty
> in salvation. Those who believe otherwise are burdened with proving it
> otherwise.

This passage seems to hinge on a definition of `clearly' with which I am not
familiar.  In common use, the word `clear' means that most people who read
something agree about what it means.  Since there is a lot of disagreement
about whether Predestination can be properly derived from the Bible, the
passages in question DO NOT fit the standard definition of `clear'.

If Mr Brewer would like to explain what he means by `clearly', or reword his
sentence so that (given common use) it accurately reflects the reality of
Christian experience, that might make this discussion somewhat more pleasant.


The continued blather to the effect that "what I believe is obviously correct
and if you disagree you must provide a 5000-word essay approved by two Nobel
Prizewinners to prove that I am wrong" does little besides make the people who
post it look like nitwits.  (I shall refrain from sharing my suspicions about
whether these people actually ARE nitwits.)

Such posts do not promote goodwill, do not give reasons to believe the writer,
and do not bring glory to God.  Those posts have no benefit, unless one enjoys
reading exercises in snide one-upmanship.


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu
"Cogito ergo I'm right and you're wrong." -- Blair P. Houghton