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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Children
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:48:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.150333.9342@osf.org>, coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> In article <1992Jul31.000923.8387@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> > And large parts of history *still* aren't taught, for being too
> > controversial. Most of my friends who are my age (20) aren't well
> > informed about the Japanese internment camps, for example.
> 
> Trust me, dear, people considerably older than you didn't learn about
> this in school either. (And, no, I'm not old enough to remember it
> first-hand.)

  I sure heard about it, perhaps because so many were from here in OC.
I get reminded of it every time I go up the east side of the Sierra. 
The Manzannar Relocation Center is outside of Olancha (or is it Lone Pine?),
and it makes me ill every time I see it. They are now talking about 
making it a monument or somesuch. I have very mixed emotions about that
sort of thing -- sort of like making a monument out of Auchwitz. I 
boggles my mind that we could have even *considered* doing such a 
thing. Only _fifty_ years  later did we make a pitance of recompense
to these poor people, most of whom are already dead. 
  Disgusting, Disgraceful. Thanks FDR.
-- 

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:20:19 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.222058.24928@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

|>   Well, he can't possibly understand *my* life either! It's not very nice to
|>   start lumping people together because of superficial characteristics that
|>   they share, and then get upset at the actions of some subset of the derived
|>   group, and not expect others of the same group to be perturbed.

It's much more likely that I can understand your life than you
can understand mine.  First of all, heterosexuals are in full
display just about everywhere we look - on television, film,
on the street.  We are forced to notice, to watch, to be aware
of how you do things.  Secondly, many of us *lived* your life
in many ways.  I grew up a white upper-middle-class male.  I had
girlfriends.  I wasn't an identifiable "fag".  I had all the
assumed benefits that go along with that role.  And then I came
out, and I found that I could be fired, be kicked out of where
I lived, be attacked and beaten, and abandoned by people I thought
were my friends.  You have *no* *idea* what making that transition
is like. 
|> 
|>   Jeff says that young het males scare the crap out of him. That's OK, but
|>   let's be clear that there are many many young het males who wouldn't think
|>   of harming a hair on his head, and quite likely would stand with him in
|>   defense against these thugs.
|> 
|>   Anyway, exclaiming one's own victimhood has never impressed me.

Who was trying to impress *you*?  Perhaps he was trying to get you
to drop your smug "I'm not at fault so don't hassle me" attitude.

-- 
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From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: POMO AFRO HOMOS in Los Angeles July 31 Friday
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:25:54 GMT




POMO AFRO HOMOS, a Black Gay performance/comedy group consisting of Brian
Freeman, Eric Gupton and Djola Bernard Branner, will be at the HIGHWAYS
Performance Space in Santa Monica July 30-August 1.

I'm thinking of trying to see a bunch of Queer Motsseurs and Gaynetters at
the Friday July 31 performance at 8:30pm. So if yu are interested in meeting
other Queer Computer network types, call 1-213-660-8587 before 7pm PST for
$12 tickets to the show. HIGHWAYS is at 1651 18th Street, which is just off
Olympic Blvd. [I was there last Saturday for THE FLIRTATIONS concert---it was
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaabuulous! :-)]

See ya there!

I'll be in town till the 14th of August, anyway, if people want to get together
some other time...

---
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                                                                 -Harvey Milk
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From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: the new innocent
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:35:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.053127.26318@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>      According to the results of a 1991 study by
>   the Maryland Campus AIDS Research Effort, 21%
>   of the 3,394 campus students surveyed had had
>   10 or more sexual partners.  Also, 25.3% of those
>   surveyed reported having heterosexual anal
>   intercourse, and 12.6% reported having had a 
>   sexually transmitted disease.
>
>I was shocked to see that so many had reported
>having *heterosexual* Gay Sex [tm], not to mention
>their unbridled promiscuity.

I'm more curious to see the breakdown between male receptive partners
and female receptive partners...

>When some of these people develop AIDS, how long
>will it take to transform them into 'innocent'
>victims?

If the man with the magic Johnson can pull off the the "innocent
victim" image, there is hope for us all.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Don't worry, honey, 
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| our skirts are clean."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:10:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.203833.28750@decvax.dec.com> walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.171336.24814@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>They are attempting to pile the inequality that exists here and now
>>upon their shoulders.
>Of course whether or not they had any part in the creation of that inequality 
>is totally irrelevant. Is that what your saying?? 

Yes.  If they do not actively and visibly reject it and work to eliminate
it, every minute of every day, you are recreating it and are to blame for
it.  Becuase you benefit from it, you are more responsible to fix it than
thise who are not.  Are you too stupid to understand the difference
between responsibility and blame?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.011538.10946@muddcs.claremont.edu> cchen@jarthur.claremont.edu (none of your business) writes:
>
>  Unfortunately, this is not going to be a pleasant encouragement.
>I remember reading a couple of weeks ago about the BofA, Wells Fargo, and
>Levi controversy in a Chinese newspaper.  There just seems to be more
>support for the boy scouts' bigotry than protest.

Sounds like time to cut up my BofA Visa card and mail it back to
them...

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Don't worry, honey, 
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| our skirts are clean."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
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From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Naval Aviator Thorne
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:31:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.171502.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remcke01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>In article <jhansen.712077840@convex.convex.com>, jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen) writes:
>> I heard last night that the naval review board voted 3-0 to dismiss
>> Mr. Thorne with an honorable discharge.  
>                     ^^^^^^^^^
>
>If this is true, it is something to note.  Usually a "convicted" homo-
>sexual in the military is given an "administrative" discharge.  You 
>know, the same thing that Klinger was going for with his Section 8
>quest.


Sorry Richard, this is no longer true.  The usuall discharge for a 
homosexual in the military is Honorable.  My very best friend just
received his discharge, and it was honorable despite the fact that his
fundie commanding officer tried to get him put in prison.  The current,
going trend is an honorable.  This is in part due to all the stubborn
queers who fight their discharges until the military is sick of it.


Of course my information is only guaranteed for the Air Force. The 
Navy has different rules of conduct....


Shawn
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:15:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.231530.10016
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul21.220804.11855@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>The only other solution to overpopulation (besides not breeding),
>is killing people off, unless you've discovered a new dimension
>to ship them to.

Aside from the fact that on the net we have evidence of people
already making that trip, I think that your comment sounds awfully
Malthusian to me.  Not that I'm glorifying "overpopulation", but
to even use a word like that means you have to have agreement about
what "over-" means, and that itself is a very slippery issue.
My own sense is that one of our big problems is not "overpopulation"
per se but of economic issues surrounding food and wealth distribution.

>Sure its callous, but I'm not too keen on our cultural glorification
>of baby-making, though it has its good sides.

Yeah, but how does that relate to the particular?  In Ailsa's case
the kid is here already, she has had to struggle to bring it up, and
using her as an exemplar of this "cultural glorification" seems to me
to miss the mark wildly.  There are tremendous issues and trials
which come into play once you start raising a child which are orthogonal
to the mundane issues of population and these loom large in the eyes
of people who are parents.  (And, as Kathryn [did I spell that right?)]
pointed out, that doesn't necessarily mean biological parents.)  This
is what often comes to mind when such people hear criticism of parenting.

>If people who want
>to breed new kids can't deal with the fact that not everybody is
>going to pat them on the back, then maybe they're not secure enough
>to have kids.

Frankly, I can't imagine taking such a criticism, were it a personal
criticism, seriously OR personally.  Having kids or adopting them or
not having them is a very private decision (hopefully a very private
INFORMED decision).  And in the same vein, I think I could participate
in a discussion about this without feeling singled out or compromised
by the decisions I might have made for myself (and my partner(s)).

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: name change
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:03:11 GMT

In article <14g38uINNkik@agate.berkeley.edu> kimpl@soda.berkeley.edu (peter lee kim) writes:
>to all you out there in net land:
>
>does anyone know the process for getting you name legally changed?

Unless you wish your birth certificate changed, you simply need to start
using the new name, with no apparent intent to defraud.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Beer
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:34:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <manz.712354796@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid
Queen} Manz) writes:
|>  Thanks to Brick Brewing, gays and lesbians can now drink beer 
|>with pride.
|>
|>  The Waterloo brewery is producing a new beer for the gay 
|>community.  It's called Pride and is sold in bottles and on draft 
|>in about 25 gay and lesbian bars across southern Ontario.

No wonder the US government just raised the import taxes on Ontario produced
beer.  Just when I would have been ready to import a case or two for home use.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is it snowing where you are?
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:56:02 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Jul27.124817.25279@news2.cis.umn.edu>
elliott@a8.ima.umn.edu (Frank Elliott) writes:

>[article quote]
>Goldwater, APS Head Urge Passing of Gay Rights Ordinance

>PHOENIX(July 8)- Former Sen.  Barry Goldwater- the bastion
>of political conservatism - urged the Cith Council to pass a
>measure that would ban discrimination in the workplace
>against homosexuals.

>"Under our Constitution, we literally have the right to do
>anything we may want to do, as long as the performing of
>those acts does not cause damage or hurt," the Arizona
>Republican said at a news conference Tuesday.

>"I can't see any way in the world that being gay can cause
>damage to anybody else," the conservative said.
>[end article]

>I wonder what Jess Anderson will make of this?

What do you expect I will make of it?  Better late than
never, that's what I make of it.  Maybe he's trying to get
right with god before dying, for all I know.  But I'm not
gonna run out and give him a medal for what he should have
done 50 years ago, either.

Kissing the straight fanny ain't where it's at.

-- 
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: We *do* recruit after all!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:45:09 GMT

Great news! I've found that this recruitment stuff isn't just a
pleasant daydream. Talking with Tom Chatt and Sim David Aberson
over dinner last night I learned that they both had girlfriends
in school who later turned out to be queer. So, has anyone else
found out they were in a queer couple before they were out of the
closet even to themselves? I really find the thought interesting...

John, who never really dated a girl but pretend-went out with Kara
Skomedal when he was around 8; guess who he ran into at the Run
a few months ago?

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: The F-word Re: the b-word
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:59:33 GMT

>While I would definitely prefer to see more lesbian mothers than bigot
>mothers, I'd rather see less mothers all around.

Fewer, you'd rather see fewer mothers all around.

You should join "RAD" the "Retroactive Abortion Drive". They advocate
the right of parents to retroactive abortion at any age up to 18, when
the post-fetus has the right to vote and becomes a citizen. It gives
parents embarassed by a screaming, crying child during a $150-a-seat
performance of "Atys" the right to safe, clean disposal in any number
of 24-hour-access Reab centers nationwide, snotnosed 12-year-olds can
be summarily dumped in one after school if found to be taunting
obviously more attractive and successful homosexual members of their
cohort, but most significantly, the state has the right to take
irresponsible adolescents from responsible parents and quite literally
flame them. Enforced natural selection against school bullies,
children who don't eat peanut butter and Brussels sprouts, and best of
all, automatic Reab disposal chutes on all transAtlantic airline
flights for terminally cute but hellraising screamers who manage to
get around ball-gags by kicking all seats within reach in business
class.  Fewer mothers all around, many fewer obnoxious post-fetus
cases, and a distinct decline of social parisitism on the part of
flavor-of-the-month-club trendy parents who inflict children on others
when the bloom is off the new fleshtoy.

Strangely, their slogan is similar to animal-rights slogans:

                a deer, a cow, a pig, a dog, a boy


-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: HIV- cases of full blown AIDS?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:11:22 GMT

In article <4dfm5hl.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.194503.5227@athena.mit.edu> dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic) writes:
>>Isn't it the case that there are two kinds of HIV viruses, and
>>you are usually tested for only one of them by the conventional 
>>methods.
>
>I believe so.  They're called HIV-1 and HIV-2.  HIV-2 is more common in
>Africa; it hasn't shown up much in the US, that we know of.
>
>>I remember that it says explicitly on the report the
>>result applies to only the more common type of HIV.
>
>I have read somewhere that a new test is being devised for HIV-2, and that
>blood banks will probably start to use it. 

In the paper today it stated that most scientists don't believe that
the cases not being detected are a new strain of HIV, but some unrelated
virus. Any idea why this assumption is being made? Is there enough in
common among strains of HIV that an HIV-3 would have been detected
if it was there?

They also stated that people at the conference have come forward with
several dozen cases of something like AIDS that doesn't show up on tests.

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From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:13:44 GMT
Subject: Re: New George Michael Video
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss

 henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>adye@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Alan Dye) wrote: 

>>Miss Thang, That boy isn't kidding anyone...especially with that new haircut,
>>those glasses, that earring, and shakin' his fanny all over the screen on his
>>videos?  Puh Leazzze!!!!!!

>you mustn't know very many straight people to make such a judgment.

----------
Maybe up in Boise straight boys don't do those things.
Or is it thangs?

Mike Drayton 
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
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From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:32:14 GMT

In article <bdfmbmj.jfh@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul20.233714.6607@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
|> >henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|> >: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson) wrote: 
|> >: ->Yup, both.  I work for NASA during the day and teach night classes for the
|> >: ->Tidewater Virginia branch of St. Leo College, a fully accredited 4-year
|> >: ->institution.
|> >: 
|> >: why is it that, when otherwise unimpressive people are trying to make
|> >: an impression, they refer to colleges as "institutions"?  
|> >: 
|> >why is it that, when otherwise unimpressive people are trying to make
|> >an impression, they assume that those using words longer than two syllables
|> >are doing it only to make an impression?
|> 
|> What other reason would there have been?   I wondered why Ann thought she
|> had to tell us it was accredited.
|>  

Because everytime I tell people I teach for St. Leo College on the Virginia
campus, they ask what kind of a program could a Florida based institution
(that word again) have in Virginia.  To forstall the question, for those who
are familiar with the Florida college, I always say that we have the offerings
and accredited to the same level as the main campus.
-- 



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*MS 366                                         *         o  _///_ //
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*Hampton, VA 23665-5225                         *             \\\  \\
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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: *BIG* *RED* *JOBS*
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:10:56 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>Required skills:
...
>* U.S. Citizenship

U.S. Citizenship is a skill?  Does that mean if I practice hard enough
I can become a Citizen of the World's Greatest Democracy too?

,
Eamonn, wide-eyed
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Subject: Re: Hue Millety (was Re: An appalling fact)
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 04:10:20 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:

> [Brent:]
> 
> >>>(*scythe*) Oh gawd, somebody open a winnow, I'm feeling
> >>>bale...
> 
> [Jess:]
> 
> >>Wires it hurt, Colonel?  Tell me and I'll hop to your relief.
> 
> Aw, I can take it on the gin... on the other hand, come visit--you can
> crash at my pod.

(Plowing into this thread with furrowed brow and more grist for the
mill...)

Sow, you're inviting Jess to your loft for a roll in the hay?  You
should be grazeful, and tell him to take the elevator.  He cud take
the stairs, Deere, and reap some benefit, though.



[] ---
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