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From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What I have been doing (long)
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:11:58 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

The original post was long enough, but I _had_ to make an addendum.

In article <14844@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey
Harris) writes:

>The next day, I wandered around Chapel Hill.  I
>was out on North Campus, when I happened to notice a guy.

I saw this guy again tonight.  He was walking in about the same place
as I saw him a week before.  He stared at me again, and sat down on
the steps to a building.  I walked on past him.  Then I changed my
mind.  I went back and spoke to him.

"Hi.  You're the one from the library last week, no?" I asked.

"What?  I was at the library then, but..." he seemed cautious.

"You followed me, to the third floor?"

"Oh, yeah.  That was me."

"Hey, I'm sorry I was such a tease.  I just don't go for stuff like
that, you know?"

He looked like a little kid, though from this close, in the sunlight,
I could see he was several years older than I.  "What?  I don't
understand..."

"I'm a virgin."

"A what?  Oh, right.  Oh.  I thought I had scared you."

"No.  Actually, I was rather flattered.  Anyway, I just wanted you
to know why I did that.  By the way, I'm Trey."  I offered my hand.

He looked at it, and hesistantly shook it.  "I'm Garrick.  I..." he
seemed very disquieted, as if he had some need to explain everything
to me.  "...I don't usually do this.  It's just sometimes, I get sick
of my roomates, and I just have to come out here and, you know..."

"Cruise?"

He looked at me bleakly.  "Just, I, you know, play cat-and-mouse?
Like that."

I smiled at him.  I felt this was someone who needed reassurance,
someone who was unsure of himself.  I offered him my hand once again.
I gave it a friendly squeeze.  "Yeah.  I'll see you around, probably.
I'm around here often."

"Me...uh, yeah.  Bye."

I waved to him, and walked away.  For some reason, this man made me
feel as though he had such deep feelings inside, feelings that would
crush the average man.  What had he gone through?  Was he closeted and
couldn't take the strain of this boy walking up to him, filigreed as I
was with pink triangles and gay liberation slogans?  Was he lovelorn
or lovelost, having only the bathrooms as an outlet for his passions?

I glanced once more, back at this tragic figure sitting on the steps
to the classics building, and promised myself that I would come back
next Sunday, and learn more about him.  No matter what his problems,
whatever his complaints might be, he seemed like he could use a
friend.

And that is one thing I can give to him.

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush proves to be as spineless as her husband
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:55:48 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

What has Barbara Bush done to hurt you? 

I understand why you would be angry at George Shrub. God knows I am. 
But what has his wife done to hurt you? Don't fault her for loving and
supporting her husband. She's doing what she thinks is right, no matter if
you agree with it or not.

Besides, we all growl when the republicants attack Hillary Clinton... who are
we to attack Barbara Bush? She's not the candidate. Anything she does as 
first lady is her own choice. I'd say she has been an admirable first lady...
certainly more so than Nancy Reagan. 

Tom
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:40:02 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>>>Nelson, isn't it?  He sounds, in a word: *yummy*
>>He *is* yummy.

>I'm told that I taste good with mango juice, as well.

Now *this* is a thread!

Tell me, tell me!  Where is the mango juice dripped for best effect?     

Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
Again, I'm sure they'd agree, if only they knew...
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From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: What is virginity?
Date: 04 Sep 92 05:08:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Sep3.012728.2853@quantime.co.uk>
	<1992Sep3.200553.24056@infonode.ingr.com>

norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
) roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
) >norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
) >> Has anyone else wondered what role orgasms might play in
) >> determining if you're a virgin or not?
) >It shot across my mind.

) I've thought about this a lot lately, but usually in spurts.
) Really, I don't mean to gush on...

) jeff - who probably shouldn't have horn[y]ed in on this thread.

Come, come.  This is virgin on the ridiculous.
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From: ritchey@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (George Ritchey)
Subject: WalMart Bans AIDS Literature
Keywords: WalMart Kmart
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:18:21 GMT

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From:        John_D._Curtis.ROCHX2@xerox.com Fri Sep  4 06:29:56 1992
Return-Path: <John_D._Curtis.ROCHX2@xerox.com>
Date:        Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:24:18 PDT
Subject:     Xerox & WalMart but not Magic (background)


I have received a number of questions to explain the WalMart issue.

WalMart stores have joined KMart stores in banning "Magic Johnson's Book about
AIDS" from ALL of their stores.  They claim that the book contains graphic
sexual information and the book might be seen by children.  They claim that it
is not "book banning or book burning" - rather that the decision to ban the
book is covered by store policies regarding sexually explicit magazines, etc.
WalMart and KMart will not carry a book that teaches us how NOT to get AIDS,
but walk a few aisles over to the Pharmacy, and you will find both stores
gladly sell and profit from AIDS medications such as AZT, Acyclovir, etc.  Are
these responsible business practices?  Are these companies that Xerox should be
establishing partnerships with?

ActUp and Queer Nation staged a protest in front of a K Mart in the Rochester
area and distributed over 300 copies to interested parents and consumers in
front of the store.  The store made no attempt to stop the protesters - but
still refuses to carry the book on its shelves.

Xerox, as with any other business, should be responsible in selecting business
partners that reflect the attitudes and priorities of its employees and its
corporate goals.  The only factor should not be how many stores they can place
their product in.

In its press release regarding the new 5210 and the partnership, Xerox
spokesman have suggested the personal copier is great for home uses such as
copying report cards, recipes and receipts.  (SUCH AS COPIES OF:  Report cards
on fair business practices?  Recipes for non-violent protests?  Receipts for
AZT bought at WalMart?).

This weekend, remember those who have labored for our rights, and who continue
the fight.  Let them inspire us to join them, in what ever ways we are able.
JOHN

----

Xerox and WalMart have reached an agreement to market the Xerox 5210 Personal
Copier in WalMart stores around the nation.

I guess therefore that Xerox and WalMart agree that we can sell a copier to
take home - but not Magic Johnson's Book About Aids.

Just checking to see if their priorities are straight - and responsible -

JOHN

-- 
George Ritchey                           ritchey@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory/NASA
4800 Oak Grove Drive   Mail: 525-3670
Pasadena, CA.  91109
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 23 Aug 1992 22:25:00 EDT
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject:    re: Presidential theme music

In article <cornell.714588260@vivaldi>, cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell
Kinderknecht) writes:

 >When Bush came up to the podium to speak at the Republican National
 >Convention they were playing music in the background. (That is normal)
 >
 >What wasn't normal (and what was confirmed and reported on National
 >Public Radio) was that the theme music in question was the title song
 >from 'La Cage au Folles'. 8)

I took it as a signal that Barbara Bush is a cross-dresser, Dan Quayle
is out to lunch and they want us to come back home.
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From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Some People Will Save *ANYTHING*.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:57:29 GMT
Summary: indeed

In article <64801@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
writes:

> *THIS* was worth saving?   ;-{)##]
 
yes; a true classic.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		The Son of Man has come eating and drinking;
				and you say "Behold, a glutton and a drunkard,
mls@usl.com			a friend of tax collectors and sinners."  And
standard disclaimer		yet, Wisdom is justified by all her children.
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From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Is Pat Robertson for real??
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.015929.17531@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Aug31.221700.28224@microsoft.com>
|> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
|> 
|> >RE:  Pat Robertson
|> 
|> Not one word of which I disagreed with.  Apart from some
|> very minor editorialzing, natural enough given the subject,
|> I didn't detect much of Bob's own thinking about Robertson
|> and the larger phenomenon of which he's a part.
|> 
|> What would you say, Bob, is the greatest threat to LGB
|> people from the "America is a Christian country and we're
|> gonna take it back" crowd?
|> 

I know that my position here isn't generally respected and that many
aren't willing to believe in anything good for LGB people comming out
of the church, but I think think that *is* good news in continuuing
vocalness of the viscous-right crowd.  I've noticed a lot of the 
normally silent, more moderate, christians who have woken up to the
fact that they can not afford to be silent about the issues.

A few weeks ago I mentioned that I have been wearing my Integrity
pin full time, including to church meetings, home for vacation, etc.
I've been involved in some interesting conversations as a result.
At the dentist office, I spoke at length to the dental technician
who is a strong christian and very active in her church.  Just my
telling her what the pin meant started her off about how she thought
the church should do more to be in vocal opposition to the fundies
and how she wanted to get involved in showing people how the *real*
church is accepting and loving, etc.  

I mentioned at about the same time to my mom, involved with a fundamentalist
Southern Baptist church, what I was doing with Integrity.  I didn't get a
response at the time, so I brought up the issue again last Saturday and 
asked what she thought.  Knowing that my sister and her family are very
much caught up in the fundamentalist ideas, and that my parents are closest
to my sister, I didn't expect a positive response.  What she said suprised
me.  She said that I had always been the most thoughtful of the children
and that if I was sure this was right, she believed me and would support
me.  Even my sister, when I told her, didn't try to convince me differently
(at least not yet :)   ), I think she's disgusted with the gay-bashing the
public fundamentalist figures are doing and is becomming willing to listen
to the other side.  There really is hope!
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:29:29 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:

 >Kevin Williams of former porn star fame was on a flight I took last
 >winter.  (BTW, Kevin Williams is a stag name.) 

Is this common practice among porn stars?  What name does he use
when there are women present?

Mara [who's been known to recognize a typo when she sees one]
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: boobs
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep2.032737.21750
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Sep1.225731.16509@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep1.215759.21568@lclark.edu>
>klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:
>
>>This is really too milch.
>
>Why Gretchen!  The best of these are obviously quipped
>cream.  But leche that I am, I was wondering if all these
>homogeinus dairy airs might find a mutually satisfying way to
>get laited.  I think we're a latto.
>
>If moosic be the food of love, plait on!
>
	So bossy!  Such ungulent behaviour would put even a cud to shame!


-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 22 Aug 1992 13:58:58 EDT
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quilt
 <1992Aug22.050656.9682@spdcc.com> <1992Aug22.102845.29553@macc.wisc.edu>

In the line of what-will-I-make-them-do-for-my-funeral....

Early on in the epidemic I discovered the chaos of not having your
Final Wishes all neat and tidy, so being ill with chronic hep in
addition to HIV status unknown I made my plans.

Part of those plans included what I felt to be an appropriate memorial service
- totally planned by Yours Truly and leaving absolutely no room for
anyone else to horn in...I thought.

I even made a tape of the music I chose and gave it to my lover to save
for The Day.

A few days later Lover comes over one night and with no warning hands me
the tape and says, "Get yourself another funeral director."

"Why, what's the matter?" says I very much crestfallen.

"I can handle the Alice In Wonderland bit coming right after the selection
 from Molly Bloom's soliliquy, but I will not stage manage a production
 that opens with B.B. King singing "The Thrill is Gone" and ends with
 the Kyrie from Obrecht's Missa Fortuna Desperata.  Where do you want
 me to stage this, Jack, Stonehenge?  This is just a fucking funeral not
 a panorama of Civilization and Its Discontents."

I'm still doing the rewrites.

Jack Carroll
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crossposting
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:28:53 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <!#bn2rb.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack
Hamilton) writes:

>>I thought this was a particularly interesting thread, not
>>because of the contents (which were rather ho-hum), but
>>because it was started by someone on CompuServe through a
>>mail to news gateway.

>In article <1992Aug26.000610.21296@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>I was just thinking about Rob, writing to a friend who just
>>found out about Rob's being gone, and the next thing I read
>>was this.  I wonder, if Rob were alive to respond to this,
>>whether he wouldn't say something like:

>>How the thread started wasn't really interesting, it was
>>merely (um...) unusual.

>Do you mean that *you* think it's not interesting, merely
>unusual, or are you really trying to put words into a dead
>person's mouth?  It's not dangerous (he's not likely to come
>back and disagree), but it is presumptuous.

How very extraordinary.

I gather you were insulted by my remark, which I intended
to be a light-hearted reminiscence of our friend.  If you
were, I apologize.

But I am struck by the sheer malice of your response.  Try
as I might, there seems to be no way to read *it* as
light-hearted.

-- 
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:22:01 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug23.113312.4625@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug23.095752.11733@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
> (Nelson Minar) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug23.033436.18138@microsoft.com>
> >bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> >>I have seen "less butch" gay men give the straight-acting
> >>ones a ration of shit
> >But I can never be [sure if] it is supposed to be 2
> >tablespoons or 2 teaspoons.  Anyone remember?
> ...  The proper amount of
> the key ingredient in Souffl'e a la Merde (aka Hot Air
> Sargol) is one small, round, *extremely* hard turd!

... aka one pat of BS.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"The best way to find something you've lost is to buy a replacement."
-- Ann Landers
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GOP:  The Next Generation
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:39:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I love how students emulate the pompous tones of diplomats when writing
these things:

> 	THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 

And the trouble is, when the grow into *real* diplomats, they keep talking
this way.  And so, you see, a vicious circle of over-stuffed,
under-nourished
verbal kaa-kaa.

Anyway...

*THEREFORE* *BE* *IT* *RESOLVED* spake Zorathruster...
 
> 	THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:  That the N.C. Federation of College Republicans
> strongly condemn the anti-American, pro-homosexual news meida, especition
> the
> Raleigh _News & Observer_, the Triangle _Independent_ and CBS news anchor
> Dan Rather.

Yes, yes.  The point, here, is that in another thread we were discussing
the 'Cultural Elite.'  Someone brought up a conservative, homosexual
intellectual - and indicated said conservative thought the 'Cultural
Elite' was Hollywood, and Jewish Hollywood in particular.  I half-agreed,
stating that what *they* (the Republican Steering Committee) probably
meant by 'Cultural Elite' included The Media.  My own definition
of 'Cultural Elite' likewise includes The Media - though I think they
are only Cultural and/or Elite in *their* own eyes.

_Shoe_ (the comic strip) had a wonderful panel wherein the two reporters
asked the senator if everything he just said was a lie.  The senator
replied, "Yes."  The reporters, astonished, asked if they could print that.
The senator replied, "Yes."  The reporters asked if he wasn't worried the
public would read it.

"They'll read it," said the senator, "but they won't believe it.  The only
people they trust less than us [politicians] are you [the Press]."

My apologies to any members of the press who may be reading this, and who
may *not* be sleazy...

Anyway, the above excerpt from the 'Republican' (note the quotes...)
students
supports the expansion of Cultural Elite to include The Media - in fact,
they don't even mention Hollywood.


Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car 
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.history
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:06:15 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Aug26.194603.16982@midway.uchicago.edu>, jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC) writes:
> In article <_pny9dj@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
> >a History of Discrimination in the American Military
> >
> >1948: President Harry Truman allows African-Americans to serve in the military.
> 
> Didn't Truman order the racial _integration_ of the military?  I'm pretty
> certain that blacks served (in segregated units, with white officers) at
> least since the first World War.  There were also black regiment(s) in the
> Union army during the Civil War.
> 
> (sorry if this is nitpicking -- I know it strays a bit from the point of
> Ron's article)
> 
>   ______     John Cavallino - B0 f++ c+ g++ k s++ e+ h- pv

Blacks served in the American Navy from the time of the Revolution
until 1921, when that "progressive Democrat" Woodrow Wilson ordered
that no new blacks be enlisted.  Blacks already in the Navy were
allowed to continue at their current rating; the only blacks accepted
from 1921 onward were those working in the mess.

Blacks served in the Confederate Army from 1862, and the Union
Army from 1863.  There were segregated black units from then
onwards, and a small number of black officers, some of them West
Point graduates, until Truman's order.

A good overview is Bernard C. Nalty, _Strength for the Fight: A
History of Black Americans in the Military_, (New York, Macmillan:
1989).
-- 
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Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject:  Mpls./St Paul (was: Just please shoot me :))
Followup-To:  Toby
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:38:29 GMT

Toby:

Unfortunately, I know nothing about Rochester, MN, but do know 
quite a bit about the Twin Cities.  Yes, it is very gay affirmative
here.  Minneapolis has domestic partnership laws as well as anti-
discrimination laws.  St Paul has anti-discrimination laws as well.

I could swear not a day goes by without hearing something about the
gay and lesbian community on the local news.  Twin Citians are 
really tuned into the gay and lesbian community.  I was real 
suprised when I moved here from Baltimore.

You probably won't have any problems in Rochester.  The entire
state tends to be liberal so you should find the area pretty 
friendly.  I did.  

Good luck

-- Chris

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From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:46:03 GMT

In article <_pny9dj@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>a History of Discrimination in the American Military
>
>1948: President Harry Truman allows African-Americans to serve in the military.

Didn't Truman order the racial _integration_ of the military?  I'm pretty
certain that blacks served (in segregated units, with white officers) at
least since the first World War.  There were also black regiment(s) in the
Union army during the Civil War.

(sorry if this is nitpicking -- I know it strays a bit from the point of
Ron's article)

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