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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: AA milk commercial ---- a white man's disease?
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:35:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.170900.3851@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.155519.21823@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
> 
> >  hmmmm.... I read once that in asian cultures like Japan where milk is 
> >drank less frequently the heart disease rate (later in life) is
> >much, much lower than in north-european cultures based on milk.
> 
> As the milk/dairy product consumption of the Japanese is rising rather quickly,
> has been rising since the end of WWII, and the life expectancy is STILL rising,
> there would seem to be little or no basis for this sort of comparison.

     Yes, the link between milk consumption and heart disease is disputed.
I recall there's some study of French dairy consumption.  The French appear
to consume as much or more milk than Americans, but have a lower rate of
heard disease.  And if you've ever tasted how much richer (Read: fattier)
milk is in Europe compared even to our "whole" milk, you've really got
to wonder.

> >Given that milk is not really as good for us as
> >the milk industry would like us to believe, aren't these commercials
> >similiar to those cigarette commericals targeting blacks?  
> 
> As it doesn't appear to be in any way a health threat, it hardly seems likely.
> 
> And BTW, the whole point was that this commercial did not appear to target any-
> one.

     Milk is in no way comparable with cigarette smoking as a health
hazard.  Milk is considered a healthy beverage.  Just compare it to soda
or Hi-C.  If you're worried about fat, there are nonfat and lowfat
versions.  *If* the dairy industry is targetting AAs, it's because it's
a group of Americans who drink less milk than other groups, and therefore
are a potential market.

     However, I doubt the advertisements are targetted at AAs specifically.
Are there other racial groups present (Blacks, Hispanics, Native American,
etc.)?

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: AA milk commercial ---- a white man's disease?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.155519.21823@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:

>  hmmmm.... I read once that in asian cultures like Japan where milk is 
>drank less frequently the heart disease rate (later in life) is
>much, much lower than in north-european cultures based on milk.

As the milk/dairy product consumption of the Japanese is rising rather quickly,
has been rising since the end of WWII, and the life expectancy is STILL rising,
there would seem to be little or no basis for this sort of comparison.

>As a matter of fact, it's a medical fact that adult asians loose
>their ability to digest milk as they grow older, much more than
>whites do.  (This probably stems from less milk-drinking in asian
>cultures.)  Given that milk is not really as good for us as

This is NOT a medical fact. It IS a fact that if you cut down on your dairy
product consumption, you cut down on the production of the enzymes necessary
to digest them. This is NOT, so far as anyone has been able to determine, 
in any way related to race (unlike, say, alcohol dehydrogenase levels).

>the milk industry would like us to believe, aren't these commercials
>similiar to those cigarette commericals targeting blacks?  

As it doesn't appear to be in any way a health threat, it hardly seems likely.

And BTW, the whole point was that this commercial did not appear to target any-
one.

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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, still clueless after all these years)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:59:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23582
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, still clueless after all these years)
Distribution: soc
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In article <1992Aug28.131455.22802@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <78524@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:

>  YOU DO????  Have you been beat up for taking the SAT?  Have you
Dunno.  I got the impression he grew up in a not nice place.
Maybe I am confused.

>  JJ has been through a lot worse than you have (from what you write,
>  unless you've not told us everything...)
Frankly, he doesn't have to prove it to me.  Rotten is rotten,
and what kind is, I think (this being a point I try to make
a few times a day, it seems) is pretty much irrelevant.

You know, Clare, my old midwestern paranoia wants me to take your
quote there as sarcastic, but I'll try to be good.

>  Lucky he had some fast pf's (what are pf's?).
Um, "PF Flyers"  Tennis shoes.  PF Flyers were cheap and silent.
Got the name "Felony Flyers".  Good for a fast and reasonably
quiet departure when you didn't want to be found.  Worn by
crooks and citizens alike, for the same reason.

>  The dominant
>  powers will just pick and choose their victims.  This time it's
>  the Jews, next time it's the Japanese, the time after it's the
>  Blacks.
Yep, and the only way to prevent that is to become a nation of
non-victims, period, and stomp the victimization whenever you
see it, regardless of race, etc.  Separatism and the like only
help them.  "First they came for my brother, then my father,
and since it wasn't me, I let them.  Now they've come for
me, and I have no help."

>  I've found it easy to nip it in the bud
>  (excuse my use of terminology).  If a kid started to harrass me, I'd
>  elbow or punch him out early on, thus gaining his/her respect and
>  stopping it immediately.  If you take shit and run away or try and
Yep.  Being a useless and timeconsuming victim will stop most of
them, but it will also encourage the worst of them, too.
To violence, unfortunately, so it's a double-edged weapon.
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From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What is tacky today
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:29:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington

In article <BtrEIt.HuA@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.213633.19387@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>>In article <16udi9INNqj6@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren) writes:

[miya dodd answer to tackiness deleted]

>>>
>>	[Questions about exoticness of Asian Americans in Midwest deleted.]
>>>
>>Wow.  Can you say "Racial Anorexia"?  I knew you could.

[other stuff gone]
>
>Give her a break!  She's *15*.  I don't think most 15-year-olds have the
>kind of perspective to think about these things.

i'm not sure about that.  when i was 15, i think i had a pretty good
grip on "reality" and the world as such.  :-)  my perspective was
*slightly* different from hers.

at any rate, i suppose the real importance is that hopefully she'll
be able to handle the sight of another "oriental" differently in
the future.  ;-)

laly thao

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Community
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:21:47 GMT

rw@HPLB.HPL.HP.COM (Russil Wvong) writes:
>
>Since I'm Chinese-Canadian, I originally thought that I was not 
>"Chinese-cu".  However, since I'm only second-generation, and not 
>fully assimilated -- I still think of myself as being Chinese as 
>well as Canadian -- your criteria appear to imply that I would 
>also be considered "Chinese-cu".  Is this correct?

If you're second-generation, then you're born to immigrant parents
(first generation born on Canadian soil)?  I'd think that you'd be
pretty *integrated* (I hate the term assimilation; that assumes a
pre-existing state, which for second-generation is "foetus").

Here's your "Chinese-cu" test:

"Do you like the Edmonton Oilers?"

1. Yes ... have Andrew Scott@idacom (from Rec.sport.hockey) sell
you any loose tickets this coming season ...

2. No ... get him, Dwight! (-;

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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, blah, blah, blah
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:12:08 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Sep1.230330.7111@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Even if one thinks that the consulted books, like those written
>by Dr. Spock, are crock, the people, like many Japanese and Western
>parents, who consult these books have the best intentions in mind.
>They are good and decent people.
>
>This, of course, is in stark contrast to many Chinese-cu parents.
>They consult their own bigotry, ignorance, and cruelty to raise
>some of their children.  They think that books written by well-intentioned
>folks like Dr. Spock are a bunch of liars and all-together know-nothing
>Westerners.

Funny, where I come from, most of parents, that is, Japanese, Chinese, 
Koreans, Indians, and other Western parents, etc, did not seemed to consult 
Dr. Spock or similars.  Obviously, it seemed to have more to do with standard 
of living (education, ready access to medical care, etc) rather than culture
itself.  But what else a liar would know about child rearing to tell about
it?
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 07:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.070444.8226@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>...
>so
>many Asian Americans have swallowed the myth that their genes somehow
>magically give them cultural, linguistic, and political rights and knowledge
>in some Asian country (and therefore, that they can't possibly be fully
>American).
>...

Finally, Mr. Hu types a paragraph with which I can partially agree.

But it would be an even more accurate paragraph if if "Asian" were replaced
with "Chinese-cu (and concurrently Chinese-ge)".

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From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject:    RE: Perceptions...
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:42:10 GMT

In article 10586, maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) writes:

   |in Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions                   
   |<stuff deleted>                                              
   |-----------------------------------------------------------  
   |Perceptions 1                                                
   |                                                             
   |   Chinese language is the most widely used language in the  
   |   whole world.                                              
   |                                                             
   |Reality 1                                                    
   |                                                             
   |   China has the largest population in the the whole world   
   |   (of course, the former follows by plain logic).           
   |                                                             
   |Perceptions 2                                                
   |                                                             
   |   Racism against 'whites', blacks, American Indians exists  
   |   but racism against Asians/AAs is what should prevail and  
   |   is prominent in this newsgroup.                           
   |                                                             
   |Reality 2                                                    
   |                                                             
   |   This is, afterall, soc.culture.asian.american.            
   |   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                                          
   |                                                             
   |Pardon my intuitive generalization above.                    
   |I guess I am just tired...                                   




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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Perceptions...
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:48:04 GMT

In article <sedbiy_00awKAA1FNZ@andrew.cmu.edu> db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas S. Brashear) writes:
>
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.asian.american: 3-Sep-92 Re: Degrees
>of racism (was .. Clare Chu@nynexst.com (2803)
>
>> Get this straight, you explicitly posted that you did not consider
>>   yourself AA since you consider yourself Chinese.  As I told Mr.
>>   Douglas Basher already, AA is self-defined.  If he wants to
>>   consider himself AA, who's to say he's not.
>
>> Whoa...I never said that I wanted to define myself as an AA (Please dont
>> label me a "wanna-be"...no offense, of course!
>> I merely stated that I subscribe to this bboard because I have many AA
>> friends and by reading this bboard, it helps me identify and relate with
>> their views on particular subjects that concern them!
>> Whoa, also dont label me as another JJ- he sounds like a
>> real...uh...(trying to avoid a slanderous comment here...really
>> difficult...)...I'm sure everyone that reads this bboard can agree that
>> he is INfamous!

  Oh my, I must have inadvertently smeared you somewhere.  As far as I'm
  concerned the only thing you have in common with JJ is that you're both
  male.  I must have made a sexist smear when I said that "men can't make
  up their minds."  Sorry guys, it should have been "Some men can't make
  up their minds."  And it certainly doesn't automatically follow that
  "men are evil sub-human beings."  :-)
>
>> Just thought I'd say that!
>> DOUG
>> db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
>> disclaimer: rarely take anything I say seriously, unless its nice!
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What is tacky today
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:50:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <4920070@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:
>I'd like to know what it's like to be an Asian person living in the deep
>south and Texas!  (Jim Pak, that's for you :-)  The impression I have of
>the south (and Texas :-) is that Asians are tolerated but racism against
>Asians is there.  I've never lived in those areas.

I corresponded with
a regular in scaa during the school year, and he
had very
positive things to say about race relations in San Antonio where he
grew up.  He says Texans are unfairly accused of being a bunch of
bigots.  

He cannot say the same for some people in Atlanta.  He said he experienced
more bigotry in 3 years in Atlanta than in 10+ years in Texas.

I lived in Texas for one year with no problems.  People are genuinely
friendly.  I got to know one elderly Texan couple who were prejudiced
against all non-white until they got to know me.  They had prejudgements
but once those prejudgements were proven to be invalid they readily
accepted the truth.  

I have certain prejudices about Texans from my experiences with them.
They seem to be more honest and sincere than the people here in San Diego
where I grew up.  Texans will generally let you know their true feelings.
If they hold something against you, they will let you know.
If one befriends you, it is more likely to be an sincere friendship as
opposed to some who make friends sometimes for how they may benefit.
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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Marketing to AAs
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:18:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) :
	> My trip to the BA was *excellent*!  But in the aftermath, I 
	> have a little sadness that the strength and vibrance of the 
	> AA community there rings a little hollow here in the Deep 
	> South, where rednecks are always just around the corner.  
	> We will not be true Americans until we no longer have to view 
	> the BA and Hawaii as havens.  We've got to keep spreading out!
	> And what better time than now, when California's broke and 
	> real estate in the South is dirt cheap....

California may be broke but I'd still rather live here than anywhere else.
Spreading out is fine as long as living conditions are favorable to your
personal tastes but spreading out for the sake of spreading out to try
to diversify the rest of the country is impractical.

The South may be dirt cheap but then you'd have to live there.  :^)

	> I was also a bit dissatisfied to see how marketing to AAs 
	> in California has taken off well in advance of the rest of the 
	> country.  It is cynical of advertisers to do the right thing 
	> only when the demographics are favorable.  

Advertisers are out to make a profit. They want to make money; they
aren't out to make social commentary. If they see a growing and more
affluent Asian buying public, they'll target them to get them to spend
their money and that's all the advertisers care about.

	> The only good thing about this slow but steady progress is that the
	> TV and movie writers are mostly in Southern California, and 	
	> hopefully the "AAs are real Americans" message will gradually 
	> sink in to influence the rest of the country.

Yes!

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: What is an American? (Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:11:24 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug28214653@math12.dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Aug28.084311.25693@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>>>>>> "Alan" == Alan Hu <ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> writes:
>...
>  Alan> This, I think, is the distinguishing feature of the people I
>  Alan> consider to be Asian-American activists: They have fully understood
>  Alan> that there is no escape, there is no other country, there is no
>  Alan> other home.  We are Americans, and our lives and our children's
>  Alan> lives depend on our ability to carve out a stable position in the
>  Alan> American mosaic.  If someone believes in the future of Asian
>  Alan> Americans as real, fully-empowered Americans, they have my support
>  Alan> (at least in this area).  I hope you can understand and support
>...
>
>No escape, no other country?  I have two American (non-asian) friends who
>found jobs abroad and seem very happy about it. Do Americans have to live
>or die in the US? ;-)

Sure.  If you live and die in France, you'd be French! :-)

>
>The more I read scaa, the more I am confused about what an American means.

Confusion is the first step to enlightenment.  :-)

>When you say you are an American, do you mean you don't engage in any
>un-American activities? Then what are un-American activities?   Futher more
>you say you are Asian-American, what does that mean?  I can give you an
>example that one person was born in the US and whose parents were from
>Asia, but this person was raised in such a way that he knows nothing about
>Asia. Is he an Asian-American? What good does it do to claim that he is an
>Asian-American? 

OK, I admit I over-stated the case with the "no escape, no other country"
line.  Sure, an Asian American (or any other American) can emmigrate and
try to start a new life in a new country.  I intentionally over-stated
my case, though, precisely to counteract a common misconception: that
all (or even most) Asian Americans have some sort of mystical genetic
link to some motherland in Asia, allowing them to instantly speak the
language, know the culture and customs, and move "back" to Asia at will.
This is patently false, yet most Americans (including Asian Americans)
have this misperception; they believe that Asian Americans are somehow
foreigners, whereas white and black Americans belong here, and have a natural
right to live in America.

As long as one believes that Asian Americans are guest foreigners here,
when things get tough, it will be trivial to exclude, victimize, and
persecute Asian Americans.

As soon as one realizes that Asian Americans are real Americans, for whom
this is home, one naturally works to protect our home.

Why claim to be Asian American, regardless of how little or much one knows
about Asia?
	Because to the American psyche, we're all lumped together.
	Because if a new Hitler appears, we'll all be dead together.

						--Alan Hu
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