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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Linker Problems?!?!
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:06:15 GMT

Um.  I didn't notice any curses in _my_ copy of GNO.  It _does_ support
termcap though.

Did I just miss curses in there, then?

- Eric S.

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From: jrowliso@ub.d.umn.edu (Isildur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: IIgs memory for sale...
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:02:47 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

Well, here's the deal.  I was honestly having trouble selling this thing for
a decent price so I figured I would go for an unbelievable price...  I have a
QRAM GS with four megs of ram on it (low power - supercool SIMMS).  Not the
slow 100ns or even the deadbeat 150ns SIMMS, but true 80ns!  I will part with
the board (I swear it's never even been out of the box since I sold my IIgs
about a month after I bought it and had 4 megs in that IIgs already) WITH the
4 megs of ram for a measley $175.  I will accept any reasonable offer as I
have no need for this board myself...

						jrowliso@ub.d.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cdantoni@abacus.bates.edu (Charles D'Antonio)
Subject: Sonics CDev problems
Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, Maine
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:16:34 GMT
Summary: Sonics CDev conflicts with applications and Sound CDev
   
	I have experienced a dificulty with the Sonics CDev where I will

	Anyone with similar problems?   Or advice in patching/working
around the current state of affairs (I miss some of the sounds)?

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From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.rn.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: E-mail address of Morgan Davis
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:01:56 EDT

sledbett@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shawn Ledbetter) writes:

> Does anyone have the e-mail address of Morgan Davis?  I would like 
> some information on his Pro-Line system.

mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com

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From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: GS DOS 3.3 LAUNCHER
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:26:31 GMT


Glenn Levine asks if there's a IIe utility that lets you store DOS 3.3
software on your hard drive.

Yes, Glenn, there is. It's elegant, it's easy, it's menu driven, and it's
$49. Menu Master is one of the world's best kept secrets. It's available
from ELS, 4131 NW 28th Lane, Suite 3A, Gainesville, FL  32606-6681.

I really like it. It works on any Apple II with 128K.

You can get more info, I imagine, by contacting ELS@applelink.apple.com

Or, the old fashioned way at 1-904-375-0558.

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: 12+mhz is EASY!!
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:40:33 GMT

frank m. lin:

What type of 66C816 dig you get, and where did you purchase it?  Have
you upgraded to faster RAM CACHE?


BTW, you should be able to make a 65C816 (9 MHz version) run a little
faster by boosing it's voltage (5 - 5.5 volts / don't go too high).
Leave the rest of the computer at 5 volts.  Only the CPU needs the
higher voltage.  You get 5.25 volts by taking the 12 volt line and
tapping 5.25 volts off of it using a small biased transistor circuit.

Look at a prior post for this info.

[MGM]

P.S. Please folks, if you've improved the performance of you machine,
list the part numbers that you used, $cost$, and where you purchased
the hardware.  Others might like to follow suit.  Learning from your
efforts is greatly appreciated.
From: herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Vulcan DOS 3.3 partitions and DOS 3.3 FST
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:54:06 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Is there anyway to make the System 6 DOS 3.3 FST recognize a Vulcan
DOS 3.3 partion?
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: 08054
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:00:32 GMT


 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Subject: Re: Weird toolbox questions
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:39:33 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2

In article <1992Oct14.013340.8937@nntp.uoregon.edu>,
nparker@cie.uoregon.edu (Neil Parker) wrote:
> 
> What risks do I run if I call InitialLoad, passing
> it a UserID that's the same as that of an existing load file in the
> Loader's tables?  If the second load file has dynamic segments, will the
> Loader be able to figure out which file to load them from?  (Ok...two new
> questions.)

DO NOT TRY TO LOAD MORE THAN ONE FILE WITH THE SAME USER ID.  You'll
confuse
the hell out of the Loader and the rest of the system.

> On a somewhat (but not entirely) unrelated topic, can anybody enlighten me
> as to why I can't find any documentation on format of an ExpressLoad
> segment?  Has Apple decided that this information is Officially
> Undocumented (and if so, why...after all, the format has to stay pretty
> static if it's to remain compatible), or have I merely not looked in the
> right places (and if so, what are the right places)?

When that information was new, only about 3 people wanted it and so they
got copies of the ERS.  We never bothered to spend the hours necessary to
get it into a publishable form because it's just not important to most
people.  Heck, I don't even know if _I_ still have that ERS.

No conspiracy; just one of those things that was low priority.  And it is,
unless you're writing a linker and never got that ERS during System 5.0
beta time (so far, that's been no one).

>                - Neil Parker

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: pietrdv@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Victor Pietromonaco)
Subject: TCP/IP wanted for Apple IIgs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 07:17:03 GMT


I'm using my IIgs on the Appleshare network here.
The appleshare support on GS/OS 6 seems to work just fine.  The problem is that
all the mac users have MacIP so that they can use the telnet functions
and the TCP/IP of the internet.  Has apple or anybody implemented
the macTCP and macIP stuff for GS/OS?   I'd sure love to have it.  :)
Thanks in advance,
Dave Pietromonaco
pietrdv@leland.stanford.edu
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Problem formatting disks
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:21:47 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <9210062216.aa24954@generic.UUCP> taob@terranet.cts.com (Brian Tao) writes:
> 
>     A friend is having trouble formatting disks on his networked Apple IIGS
> and we think there might be a bug in the system software (6.0).  I've
> buffered the discussion on a local BBS and I'll repost the relevant
> messages here.  Can anyone suggest a solution?

Is there a ZIP GS in the system?  If so, try setting slot 6 to NORMAL
speed (yes, I do mean slot six).

I've had occasional timings problems with the GS/OS drivers and the ZIP
(usually cases of reporting errors when there aren't any, or the driver
going into an infinite loop seeking back and forth on the disk).
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Orca/C Linker Problems?!?!
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.135107.6975@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz) writes:
> On a related note, does anyone know how to convert ANSI cursor codes to 
> something in Orca/C?

Please elaborate.  ANSI cursor codes where?  Typed in, from a serial
port, in a file, or what?  What do you want to do with them in your
ORCA/C program?

Do you just need to know WHAT the ANSI cursor movement codes are?

ESC [ A is UP
ESC [ B is DOWN
ESC [ C is RIGHT
ESC [ D is LEFT
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From: sbennett@gnh-starport.cts.com (Stephen Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: America On Line, using a IIGS
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:51:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed Oct 07 92 at 18:47:22 (EDT)

dig@pro-cynosure.cts.com (Doug Granzow) says:

> My recommendation would be to request a refund from America Online and then
> subscribe to an online service that doesn't require a non-standard terminal
> program.  America Online uses poor software, and is clumsy to use.  (They
> seem to have pretty good Apple II support, though, if you can put up with
> the terminal software.)

<shrug>  This seems kind of harsh...  it's true that the AO software is
somewhat of a pain to get set up in the first place, and it's sometimes a bit
difficult to get used to new software (especially after getting used to
a comm program as outstanding as ProTERM!), but it seems silly to just throw
up one's hands and go on to other more expensive alternatives like CompuServe
or GEnie instead of just taking the bit of time to get the AO software
initially set up...  I agree that it'd be nice if the AO software was a bit
more forgiving of settings, but it seems to me that the advantages of AO are
worth putting up with a bit of initial difficulty...
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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GSHK v1.1 on comp.binaries
Date: 16 Oct 1992 04:54:04 GMT
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nde.unl.edu

aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan) writes:

>Perhaps, due to this extraction problem, [sciibinning a .SEA,] a new
>BinSCII file extension is in order?  Perhaps .BSE rather than .BSQ?

Thinking about this more, perhaps .BSX would be better, for Binscii Self
eXtracting.

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From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Is Deskjet 500 better than DeskWriter? (2nd request)
Date: 11 Oct 92 11:41:22 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun Oct 11 92 at 05:37:09 (EST)

> From: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
> Sun Remarketing is selling the HP Deskwriter (refurb.) for $299.  Is
> there any advantage to getting the deskjet 500 over the deskwriter?? 

My feeling is that there ARE advantages to the Deskjet 500 over the
Deskwriter, but it's a tradeoff of features mostly.
 
The Deskjet has a parallel port (some may also have a serial port as an
option, but it's a standard serial port up to 19.2Kbps). The Deskjet 500 can
use emulation cartridges, such as the Epson Emulation cartridge, for more
flexibility in adapting to programs. The Deskjet 500 has built in fonts (i.e
it can be used from 8 bit applications acting like any other character based
printer). 
 
The Deskwriter has a highspeed serial/appletalk interface only. It can't use
the emulation cartridges. It doesn't have built in fonts (can't be used from 8
bit applications). It can be networked. To use the Deskwriter from GS/OS based
programs you use the Deskjet printer driver and the hispeed serial port driver
(free from Bill Heineman available on America Online). 
 
> I have a 2.25 meg IIgs w/ a hard drive and I mostly use AWGS.  I do use
> AW classic once in a while but I can use my imagewriter w/ that.

2.25Megs, in my opinion, is not adequate for printing from AWGS to a 300dpi
printer such as the Deskjet. It is even less usable if you happen to use
Pointless. You CAN do it, of course, but your documents will need to be kept
relatively simple (not too many different fonts/point sizes/styles). A 300dpi
printer requires (for best results) fonts that are 4x larger than those fonts
you use in your documents (speaking GS/OS applications only). 4 Megs is
sufficent for most every task. Sequential systems memory boards are $130 or so
for a 4Meg board, which is hard to beat. Or you could upgrade the board you
have (if it can be upgraded). 

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From: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: VT100 EMULATION...
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 

   I believe the guy I talked to at DEC said that their latest terminal
was the VT420 or something like that.  I don't use mainframes or
terminals, so I don't know which terminals are prevailent in the Unix
world.  From the people I've talked to, it seems that most Unix sites
have a VT100 termcap, and all hae VT52.  How popular are the new DEC
terminals?  If they're very popular now, I'll write a driver for them.

Paul Parkhurst

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
Subject: ROM 01/AppleTalk/SCSI card
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:48:11 GMT

In a prior missive, toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) eloquently
scribed this stuff:

>You are Confused. It has _always_ been possible to put your hard drive card
>in ANY free slot, although it may no longer be the boot device, depending on
>your setup.
>
>I ran AppleTalk on my ROM 1 with a Ramfast in slot 2 for over a year...

This has piqued my interest as I have been considering using AppleTalk with
my ROM 01 GS for sometime now. So what you're saying is that if you have
Slot-7 set to AppleTalk, Slot-1 to Your Card, and your SCSI card in slot-1
then everything should work fine with the exception that you MIGHT not be
able to startup from devices connected to the SCSI card? What about the
screen-holes, any conflicts?

This brings up possibilities such as using this PowerBook 145 here as a
'server' with or without the need to 'boot' ProDOS across the network.
Guess I'll have to try it sometime. My problem right now is that I have two
older SCSI cards (an OKS MultiKache in slot-5 and a CMS A2S in slot-1
(which is part of a shared-drive setup with my Apple IIe and another A2S))
and I'm not too eager to screw with a setup that works well for my BBS.

Actually, come to think of it, since I go through a ritual of parking the
drive on the //e, switching slot-1 from Printer Port to Your Card and
cold-restarting to control GS access to that drive (I rarely have a need to
boot the GS from that drive) and since the MK is in slot-5 not -7 I
shouldn't have a problem with this setup except that whenever I wish to use
the network, I have to make sure the //e doesn't access the shared drive.
More thinking time.

Hey, thanks for the info -- hope this thread grows and gets interesting!

(Wanders off mumbling something about of course I could always join the
'90s, huh?)

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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: >Colorful snow (and icons)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:03:05 GMT

Twilight II includes a "Static" module which looks stunningly like a
television tuned to nothing.  Really cool.  Check it out.

- Eric S.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: //c and Apple 3.5 drive
Keywords: //c, 3.5" drive
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:56:09 GMT

Stefan Voss Betr.Kilger writes:

SV>Herbert Fung writes

  HF> I tried to hook up my Apple 3.5 drive to my friend's //c but I can't seem 
  HF> to get it to work. I tried PR#5 but it didn't work. PR#7 turned on the 
  HF> light but didn't read or boot the disk. The eject button didn't even 
  HF> work.
  HF> Help?

SV>You don't mention what kind of 3.5" drive you tried. Normal Apple 800k 3.5" drives,
SV>AMR 3.5" drives and AE 3.5" drives can't be hooked up to an //c !
SV>The only 3.5" drive that works with a //c is the Apple 3.5" UniDisk, but I'm not
SV>sure if you can boot from the UniDisk. 

SV>	Stefan Voss	(voss@ira.uka.de)

Early //c models won't work with any 3.5" drives.  The 3.5" drive came later, and
apple revised the ROMS to allow the UniDisk 3.5 drive. to work with it.  The
upgrade was free at the time.

UniDisk 3.5" drives (eggshell) have the same mechanism as the Apple 3.5 (platinum)
drives.  But the UniDisk 3.5 also has it's own built in 65C02 microprocessor to
handle the drive operations.  Your //c computer talks with the computer in the
UniDisk, and together the disk information is transferred back and forth.  The
down side is that all this middle man action only gets in the way when the
UniDisk is used on the faster IIgs.  Most IIgs owners don't like this, so UniDisk
drives usually run cheaper than the standard Apple 3.5" drive.


I used to have a //c with both an external 5.25" drive and a UniDisk 3.5" drive.
For the internal drive, I kept a disk that had just ProDOS and all my favorite
utilities, mounted all the time.  The internal drive just got the machine up and
running, and would start-up a Mac-like program selector that I had mounted in the
UniDisk.  With AppleWorks loaded onto the 800K drive, I had enough space to get
my work done without ever having to move a disk. The extra 5.25" drive became 
my spare work area when I wanted to put a game in.

BTW: you can boot the UniDisk with either a PR#5 (from BASIC: ]) a or a  5 ctl-P
(from the monitor: !)   The //c was hardwired to scan for the first boot volume
it would find, so it would look at slot #6 (internal) and then it would look at
slot #5 (UniDisk).

[MGM]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: ORCA/C fflush(stdin)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:53:40 GMT

arb@sunsrvr3.cci.com (Anthony Bean) writes:

>	I've tried using the fflush(stdin) call to clear keyboard "left overs".
>This does not seem to work at all. Does any one know of a bug with this?
>Is there a work around? Or maybe I'm not implementing it correctly.

>The same source code compiles and runs just fine on my UNIX system at
>work, but the GS seems to ignore the call.

>Any help would be appriciated.     Thanks.

Because GS/OS does not maintain terminal input buffering the same way
Unix does, fflush(stdin) will not work as expected.  GNO 1.1 will
work correctly in this regard, but because ORCA/C's libraries
use the texttools for standard I/O, this will never work outside
of GNO.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: Lisa documentation 
Keywords: Lisa lisa doc documentation
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:50:06 GMT

{I'm having difficulty getting anything to mail from this site, so I'll
have to post a response - sorry, no mail.}

Which version of Lisa are you using?  I've got docs from version 2.0 (I think).

I started out using the Lisa assembler, but I gave it up for the 
much more friendly Merlin assembler.  Merlin lasted a long time, but
I gave up Merlin for the ORCA/M assembler, since I had to deal with
all of the new GS stuff.

My advice would be to get Merlin before you waste any time with Lisa.
Merlin is a lot more powerfull and it's easier to use.

[MGM]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Galen Tatsuo Komatsu)
Subject: Imagewriter II Manual Wanted
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:46:19 GMT

	Well, the 'Subject:' line pretty much tells the story in a
nutshell.  I picked up a IWII a few months ago without manual, and
after getting a serial card & cable recently I fired it up.  It works,
but now I'd like to know how to make it beg, rollover, and do other
spiffy tricks. =^)

	Anyways, once again.  I seek a manual for the Imagewriter II.

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