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From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Subject: Re: Malproksima (el)trovo
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:46:43 GMT

In article <9211190507.AA27447@physics.Berkeley.EDU> wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:
>Ted Schuerzinger demandis :
>
>> What is the difference between the verbs 'trovi' 
>> and 'eltrovi'?  Can you use the word 'trovo' to 
>> mean discovery, just like the noun 'eltrovo'?
>
>C^u oni jam respondis ?
>
>Senzorge mi uzis la du vortojn sinonime.  Mia angla-
>esperanta vortaro [Fulcher & Long, Brita esperanto-asocio] 
>klarigas, ke find = trovi kaj discover = (el)trovi.
>
>Kiel ili diferencas ?
>

	Eble la malsameco estas ke "eltrovi" estas trovi ion kasxitan 
	en io alia (ekzemplo, juvelon en subterigita kesto, au fakton 
	en komputila lernolibro).  Mi kredas ke la angla verbo "discover" 
	havas secon de la foririgo de kovrilo.  Sed trovi estas pli 
	simpla kaj povas esperimi la "trovado" de io sur la stato.   

	Perhaps the difference is that "eltrovi" is to find something
	hidden in something else (e.g., a jewel in a burried chest, or
	a fact in a computer manual).  I believe the English verb "discover" 
	does suggest the removal of a cover. But "trovi" is simpler and 
	can express the "finding" of something on the street.   
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:13:54 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Malproksima (el)trovo
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:08:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Ted Schuerzinger demandis :

> What is the difference between the verbs 'trovi' 
> and 'eltrovi'?  Can you use the word 'trovo' to 
> mean discovery, just like the noun 'eltrovo'?

C^u oni jam respondis ?

Senzorge mi uzis la du vortojn sinonime.  Mia angla-
esperanta vortaro [Fulcher & Long, Brita esperanto-asocio] 
klarigas, ke find = trovi kaj discover = (el)trovi.

Kiel ili diferencas ?

Gene LEDBETTER/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Unua trakto pri ekonomio
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:31:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Antau` proksimume 12 jaroj mi elkomprenis, ke mi estas nura 
malric^a universitata dungito, kiu volas esti sendependa 
finance, sed kiu tute ne komprenas la esencon de mono.  Dum 
miaj liberaj horoj mi studadis multajn librojn pri ekonomio 
kaj hodiau` mi kredas, ke mi fine komprenas.

Estas vere, ke mi ankorau` estas nura malric^a universitata 
dungito, sed nun mi komprenas la kialon.

Some 12 years ago I realized that I was only a poor 
university employee who wanted to be economically 
independent, but who really didn't understand the true 
nature of money.  During my spare time I studied many books 
on economics, and today I believe that I finally understand.

It's true that I'm still only a poor university employee, 
but now I understand why.

Gene LEDBETTER/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: "Felix Schroeter" <UK1O@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Hello! Brief introduction please!!
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:42:28 GMT

Sanguk Lee writes:
> Hello all!
>
> I am sorry that I'm writing this in English first
> I'd like to introduce myself to you
> I'm graduate student in aerospace eng. Auburn univ. alabama usa
> I come from Korea.
> I have interest in learning Esperanto.
> I heard it long time ago but I don't know how to read and write.
> If possible, could you send me a brief introductory description
> in English?
> For examle, Pronaunciation, simple gramma, several word and so on.
> In addition to this, Is there any dictionary and grammer book?
> Let me know about it
> Thanks
Write to <Ulf.Lunde@kvatro.no>.
He is my tutor in the FEC (free Esperanto Course), which is
a very good introduction to Esperanto.
It is done via EMail. The FEC contains 10 lessons, which are mailed
to you. You should do the exercizes, and then the next lesson
is sent to you, along with the corrections on your solutions...
>
> Sanguk Lee
regards, Felix           Salutojn al vi de Felikso.
Felix Schroeter - uk1o@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
>>>>> Hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans <<<<<
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: La 'Granda' venas
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:55:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

[English follows]

La 'Granda' venas (San Francisco Chronicle, 19.xi.92)

Studaj^oj konkludas, ke okazaj^o de du tertremoj oriente de 
Los Angeles kau`zis pli grandan premon je la San Andreas-a 
falfendo.

Tri hodiau`e publikigataj sendependaj studaj^oj samopinias, 
ke du grandaj tertremoj, kiuj okazis lastan junion oriente 
de Los Angeles, plifruigos, je proksimume 22 jaroj, pli 
grandan, eble dang^eran tertremon en Suda Kalifornio.

La du falfendoj, je kiuj okazis la Big Bear kaj Landers 
tertremoj, formas triangulon, kies bazo estas la San 
Andreas-a falfendo.  Sciencistoj kredas, ke la sekvado de 
tertremoj movis la triangulan krust-blokon, kiu pus^adas la 
San Andreas-an falfendon kaj ke la premo, kiu s^losas la 
falfendon, malpliig^is.

[Angle :]

The 'Big One' is coming (San Francisco Chronicle, 19.xi.92)

Studies conclude that two temblors east of L.A. have placed 
additional strain on the San Andreas Fault.

Three independent studies released today agree that two 
large earthquakes that occurred east of Los Angeles last 
June have brought closer, by up to 22 years, a much larger 
and potentially dangerous earthquake in Southern California.

The two faults along which the Big Bear and the Landers 
quakes occurred form a triangle with the San Andreas Fault 
at its base.  Researchers believe that the earthquake 
sequence shifted the triangular block of crust that had 
pressed against the San Andreas, releasing some pressure 
that had held the fault from slipping.

[Vere bonvenaj estas c^iuj kritikadoj de la gramatiko, 
se ne la virto, de la subskribinto.]

Gene LEDBETTER/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronunciation
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:21:12 GMT

In article <sftlrfc@zola.esd.sgi.com> cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh) writes:
>

>     Well, I for one always have trouble trying to pronounce the 'r' and
>'kv' --- my 'r' always come out very flat, and 'kv' comes out something
>like 'k@v' (@ stands for schwa).  I suppose one may pass over my 'r', but
>is there any way to remedy this 'kv' thing?  (I'm sorely tempted to
>substitute English 'qu' for that --- it is much easier for me!  I hear that
>Ido use 'qu' instead of 'kv', doesn't it???)


Hmm... Maybe that's why Ido is dead?    [alright, OK, :-) ]

Pierre

Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W)
Subject: Re: Hello! Brief introduction please!!
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:20:19 GMT

slee@eng.auburn.edu (Sanguk Lee) writes:

>Hello all!

>I am sorry that I'm writing this in English first
>I'd like to introduce myself to you
>I'm graduate student in aerospace eng. Auburn univ. alabama usa
>I come from Korea.
>I have interest in learning Esperanto.
>I heard it long time ago but I don't know how to read and write.
>If possible, could you send me a brief introductory description
>in English?
>For examle, Pronaunciation, simple gramma, several word and so on.
>In addition to this, Is there any dictionary and grammer book?
>Let me know about it 
>Thanks

>Sanguk Lee

The best way to learn more about Esperanto is probably the Free Esperanto
Course by email.

Email to D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl to subscribe.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:58:29 GMT

In article <WPWOOD.92Nov13142201@blair.austin.ibm.com> wpwood@blair.austin.ibm.com writes:
...
>1) Does the -in- suffix ...

	AAAAAAgh!!!!!!!   La -in- militoj revenas.  Forkuru!  Forkuru!

	AAAAAAgh!!!!!!!   The -in- wars are back.  Run away!  Run away!


	BTW, this is not a flame of the original poster, who has asked
	some fine questions.  This is just a little reminder to people 
	to avoid the tedious.

	Tiu cxi ne estas flamo sur la unua posxtisto (?), kiu demandis
	iujn bonaj demandojn.  Tiu cxi estas nur memorilo al la mosxtaj
	retanoj ke tiuj evitu tedecon.
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: [mon-dono] Re: an appeal to help poor children in india
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:39:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov23.033935.27190
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov22.220741.11027@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
>     Por respondi al la afis^o de Basu *Mukherjee* (:basu muh^erg^e?),
>mi tutu ne sendos monon al Hindio.  Mi nur sendos al C^inio (enkluzive
>de la C^ina Grandtero, Tajvano, Honkongo kaj Makavo (Makano? Makau'o?).
>
>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao, C^ino en Usono

	Eble mi estas stultulo, sed kial?  Kial Cxinujo estas pli bona
loko al kie sendi monon kaj alian helpon ol Hindujo?  Ne asertu ion sen
kialo malantaux gxi.

	Perhaps I'm an idiot, but why?  Why is China a better place to 
send money and other aid than India?  Don't assert anything without a
reason behind it.

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: MARTIN@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (Martin Haase)
Subject: Re: Malproksima (el)trovo
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:10:47 GMT

In article <9211190507.AA27447@physics.Berkeley.EDU>
wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:
 
>
>Ted Schuerzinger demandis :
>
>> What is the difference between the verbs 'trovi'
>> and 'eltrovi'?  Can you use the word 'trovo' to
>> mean discovery, just like the noun 'eltrovo'?
Dankon al Gene, ke li ripetis la demandon, kiu tute ne atingis min
(versxajne gxi aperis cxe esperanto@rand.org, kiu ne plu :-( atingas
s.c.e.)
Do, jen provo de respondo:
Oni povas trovi iun / ion kun awx sen sercxado, dum "eltrovi" oni nur
povas post sercxado awx cerbumado. Efektive, "eltrovi" similas al
"malkovri".
Martin
From: slee@eng.auburn.edu (Sanguk Lee)
Subject: Hello! Brief introduction please!!
Reply-To: slee@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:16:32 GMT

Hello all!

I am sorry that I'm writing this in English first
I'd like to introduce myself to you
I'm graduate student in aerospace eng. Auburn univ. alabama usa
I come from Korea.
I have interest in learning Esperanto.
I heard it long time ago but I don't know how to read and write.
If possible, could you send me a brief introductory description
in English?
For examle, Pronaunciation, simple gramma, several word and so on.
In addition to this, Is there any dictionary and grammer book?
Let me know about it 
Thanks

Sanguk Lee
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Malproksima novstelego
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:21:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In the first paragraph of the article, Gene writes, "Internacia teamo
de astronomoj ELTROVIS eksplodantan stelon...."

The second paragraph, however, begins, "Berkeleyaj kaj britaj
astrofizikoj j^us TROVIS novstelegon...."

What is the difference between the verbs 'trovi' and 'eltrovi'?  Can
you use the word 'trovo' to mean discovery, just like the noun
'eltrovo'?

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
Esperanto -- la bela lingvo por la tuta mondo.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto,soc.culture.india,soc.culture.indian
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [mon-dono] Re: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:07:41 GMT


     Por respondi al la afis^o de Basu *Mukherjee* (:basu muh^erg^e?),
mi tutu ne sendos monon al Hindio.  Mi nur sendos al C^inio (enkluzive
de la C^ina Grandtero, Tajvano, Honkongo kaj Makavo (Makano? Makau'o?).

					*Zhong* Qi-Iao, C^ino en Usono
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Australian Esperanto Summer School
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:19:49 GMT


The 9th Australian Esperanto summer school is to occur between the 11th
and 23rd of January 1993, at Aquinas College, North Adelaide. You can obtain
enrolment forms from me or Max Wearing, 30 Westbury St, Hackney SA 5069,
Australia. Tuition fee of $155, $85 for full-time students. Accomodation is
$45 a day; write to Sandhya Limaye, 12 Brunswick St, Walkerville 5081, if
you wish to arrange budget accomodation.

There are four excursions, and four levels of instruction; teachers present
will be Vera Payne, Shirley Gradussov, Margaret Gradussov, and So Gilsu.

Be there or don't be there (And regrettably, I won't; I'll be trying to
earn me a crust.)

Foithermore: Melburnian recipients of this: the Annual Zamenhof-Fest is
on this year on Saturday the 12th of December at the Girl Guide's Hall in 
the City at the start of Russell St (those in other states may check with
their local Esperanto associations), starting at.. hm... 6:00pm? Hope to
see you all there.


---
'Dera me xhama t"e larm"e,	      T  Nick Nicholas, EE & CS, Melbourne Uni
 Dera mbas blerimit		      |  nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au (IRC: nicxjo)
 Me xhama t"e larm"e!		      |  Milaw ki ellhnika/Esperanto parolata/
 Lumtunia nuk ka ngjyra tjera.'	      |  mi ka'e tavla bau la lojban. je'uru'e
 - Martin Camaj, _Nj"e Shp'i e Vetme_ |                *d'oh!*
From: telenet!maunaloa!jstewart@uunet.UU.NET (Jon Stewart-Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Kio estas IRK?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:19:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Ie mi legis la mallongigon 'IRK'.  Kio estas IRK-oj?  Kion oni faras kun ili?
Cxu ili estas simila al mono?  Dankon!

Jon Stewart-Taylor              Mi antauxe petas pardonon por pekoj esperantaj.
maunaloa!jstewart@telenet.com   Uzu la Esperantan ridetulon!  :-)*
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: re: Vivu la Lingvaj Notetoj
Date: 16 Nov 1992 12:47:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Ronald B. Harvey notis eraretEGon mian :

>> Mi tute samopinias !          Here, here!

Kaj li korektis :

> En la angla, la frazo estas "Hear! Hear!".

Q.E.D. : Estas pli facile verki esperante ol angle. 8-)


Gene LEDBETTER/wombat@physics.ber[ser]keley.edu
From: wpwood@blair.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Miscellaneous questions
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:52:43 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: /home/wpwood/.organization
Mailto: billw@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com


I have only recently begun attempting to learn Esperanto, and I had a few
questions I was hoping some of y'all could help me with.

1) Does the -in- suffix work for specifying female animals?  For instance,
   is a female dog a 'hundino'?
2) Is this 'gesinjoroj' the correct way to say 'Ladies and Gentlemen'?
   From the rule of using the 'ge-' prefix to specify both male and female
   members, it would seem that it is, but I can't find an example.
3) How would one pronounce 'geknuboj' (boys and girls, I hope).  Would
   it be 'gek-noo-boy', or 'ge-ka-noo-boy', or is the 'k' relatively
   silent?
4) How about 'kvar' and 'kvin'?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

   Also, apologies if this appears more than once, we've been having nntp
server troubles.

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AIX Development       |   Greatest of Warriors, lay wretched and sniveling
512-838-4107          |   in his bed and felt very sorry for himself indeed.
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AIX Development       |   Greatest of Warriors, lay wretched and sniveling
512-838-4107          |   in his bed and felt very sorry for himself indeed.
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From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Italiaj gazetoj, rekomendoj?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:55:22 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


	Mi nun memlernas la Italan lingvon.  Por helpi min, mi acxetis
	la revuon "Oggi".  Sed gxi ne ege placxis al mi.  Gxi sxajnis
	esti la Itala "People".  Cxu iu povas rekomendi pli pensema 
	revuon?

	I am now teaching myself Italian.  To help me, I have bought the 
	magazine "Oggi".  But I did not like it much.  Is seemed to be 
	the Italian "People".  Could somebody recommend a more thoughtful 
	magazine.
From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: More on Esperanto pronunciation
Summary: Question re: pronunciation of "kv" combination
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:08:06 GMT
Organization: The Blue Wizard's Lab at SUNY-Binghamton


	John Rogers rogers@math.binghamton.edu asked me to post 
	this for him.  --cigno@sgi.com  

In article <49544@shamash.cdc.com> rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.212613.2995@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban) writes:
>|> I have three basic rules of thumb for Esperanto pronunciation.
>|> 
>|> 1. Someone from a random country that listens to your Esperanto speech
>|>    should not be able to tell where you come from.  The American
>|>    animal-growl `r', the British vanishing `r', and the French guttural
>|>    `r' are all partial give-aways.  But what to pick?  Ah.  Rule 2:
>|> 
>|> 2. When in doubt, think theatric-Italian, but leave out the hand
>|>    gestures.  When that doesn't help, think `stage Transylvanian'
>|>    so that `kvin' is pronounced like Bela Lugosi saying `I vant
>|>    (good vowel there) to see the kveen!'
>|> 
>|> 3. Letters should be clear and unambiguous.  As Pierre points out,
>|>    Esperanto, unlike many languages, does not distinguish aspiration, but
>|>    does distinguish voicing.  The goal is to make `p' as distinct as
>|>    possible from `b'.  So if it helps to aspirate the `t' a bit in `meti'
>|>    to keep it from sounding too much like `medi', by all means do so!
>|> 
     [rest of message deleted]

>kind of schwa, your Esperanto would be totally unintelligible!
>
>    Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com       | 

     Well, I for one always have trouble trying to pronounce the 'r' and
'kv' --- my 'r' always come out very flat, and 'kv' comes out something
like 'k@v' (@ stands for schwa).  I suppose one may pass over my 'r', but
is there any way to remedy this 'kv' thing?  (I'm sorely tempted to
substitute English 'qu' for that --- it is much easier for me!  I hear that
Ido use 'qu' instead of 'kv', doesn't it???)
    Cheers! Gxis!
                                                John Rogers

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From: etg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Edmund Grimley-Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Kio estas IRK?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:39:15 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

|> Ie mi legis la mallongigon 'IRK'.  Kio estas IRK-oj?  Kion oni faras kun ili?
|> Cxu ili estas simila al mono?  Dankon!

Internaciaj Respondo-Kuponoj. Oni povas a^ceti ilin de ^ciu po^stoficejo
en la plej multaj landoj kaj poste inter^san^gi ilin por po^stmarkoj en iu alia
lando. Uzu ilin, nur se vere ne ekzistas pli bona maniero transpagi, ^car la
po^stoficejoj multe profitas. Ekzemple, en Germanujo unu IRK kostas DEM 2 sed
valoras nur DEM 1, kiam oni inter^san^gas ^gin por po^stmarkoj.