From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle vs motorcycle flame war, part XXXVII
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:27:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct13.215126.12439@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.172537.18786@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>
>Excellent flame.  I'm sure you burned some disk blocks with that one.
>Unfortunately, you missed my point.  Maybe I was too terse.  Let's
>try again:
 
Tetesterone crazed ZX-11 pilot terse? Not at all pinhead.
 
>
>If you want people to tolerate motorcycling, what with all the stupidities
>of the 'loud pipes save lives' crowd, the 105-on-skyline crowd etc.
>you need to be willing to tolerate the stupidities of other road users.
 
 Lets keep this in context:
 The loud pipes save lives who sit in the middle of the road around
blind corner, the 105 on skyline who go zero sitting around blind corners.  
So I hope you can see how silly and irrelevent your example truely is.
 
>
>So they're stupid wobblers.  So what?  Intelligence and courtesy to
>other road users isn't required to ride a bicycle, or a motorcycle or a
>car.  (It should be, but that's another rant).  Our society is built on
>the premise that if you've got the money to buy a vehicle, you can use
>it.  You were able to buy your ZX11 without passing a qualifications
>test.  Those wobblers were able to go and buy whatever bicycle they're
>riding, and get out on the road.  It's the American Way Of Life.  So
>tell me, were you a perfect rider when YOU started motorcycling?  Or
 
 This whole defense is cabosh. I doubt he was stupid enough to go
5/10 mph in the middle of the road on a blind curve. That would be almost
as stupid as someone defending it.
>
>Wern't you bragging at the last Joust about doing super-legal speeds
>on the way to the Joust?  And your original post talked about
>"kicking some bicyclists over".  Sounds like a major attitude to me.
 
Taking things out of context. Your a charmer and a real piece of work.
Since your inability to admit the bicyclists where wrong seems to point
to a level of irrationality I would suggest Randy save his breath.
If Eric rides like those he defends his opinion won't be around long
anyways.
 
>
>Funny that you didn't actually SAY that in your posting...
>trying a little revisionisim, eh?

Complements your quoting out of context.
 
>
>
>In any case, that's the car drivers and bicyclists's problem.  Not yours.
>Or are you suggesting that they not hold rides out in north
>San Diego County "for the bicyclists safety"??  Gee, that sounds an awful
>lot like the folks who'd like to ban motorcycles because they're "unsafe".
>Just because YOU don't do it, you're all ready to restrict SOMEONE
>ELSE's activities.  How can you do that and expect any sympathy when
>the government comes down on YOUR sport?
 
 Nice diatribe. Stay out of the middle of the road or die. But heck
of a nice diatribe. As long as we're throwing a conversation
on freedom of choice in to a conversation about some lobotomized bicyclists,
How do you feel about Count Chocula cereal.
 
>
>Northern San Diego county is a pretty empty place from what I remember.
>They're ALREADY holding the ride in a 'safe' place.
>
 
Seems like it would be easy to do it safely then. Perhaps you guys
could vaguely discuss the next one before it takes place.
 
>>The sad thing is that the car driver would have had to deal with the police
>>and probable litigation, even though it would not have been his/her fault, in
>>my opinion.
>
>That's the fault of the courts and legal system, not the dumb bicyclist
>who wobbles out in front of someone.
>

 So you saying his name or a relatives wouldn't be on the courtwork?
 
>
>[lots 'o ranting deleted]
>
>
>
>>|Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
>>
>>  Oh... Good advice, Eric...  Either you are a hypocrite, or all that is meant
>>as sarcasm?
>
>No, the .sig is sarcasm.  The posting was for real, if a bit strongly worded.
>I tend to jump when people post about how they want to "kick some bicyclists
>over"- I've been used for target practice by motorcycles before.
>
>>  To overuse a phrase, "Get a life, Eric"...
>
>It's overused all right.
>Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
 
Eric wants to get into bicycle heaven. If he rides like those he defends
it won't be long.

 
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