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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: "gangway, folx" was:  Re:  Need help/advice on designing my Taro
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Tarot, art, design, chocolate
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:38:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.204946.28067@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
>
>In article <VLkePB3w164w@ailanth.UUCP>, ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>> > But, I hope you crush `em.
>>
>> my sentiments exactly.  although if janis and shannon will BOTH read soc.men,
>> perhaps a foray into it would be fun...  what do you all say?  B)  shall we
>> roast them?
>>
>> > Maybe we can team up for a flame trinity.  The Goddesses Who Do Not
>> > Suffer Fools Gladly, a.k.a. the Bitches from Hell.
>> 
>> and if Amanda gets her newsreader fixed, we can be a tetrality?  but she has to
>> say what sort of chocolate she likes (shannon that is) before we induct her.
>> milk is about the only sort left...
>> 
>> whee!  Bitch Goddess from Hel, on our way!!!!!!
>> 
>>                                               -ailsa
>>                                                She Who Must Be Fed Chocolate

If you want to set a time/date after Amanda gets back on line, I'll meet
you there.

(as the theme from "Jaws" plays softly and sweetly in the background)

>Something tells me that there are going to be a lot of men out there buying
>chocolate just to appease the Bitch Goddesses from Hell. ;)
>
>Glad I know the mailing address of Roger's Chocolates,

Dark only, please.

Blessings,
Janis the Dark Connoisseuse

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Bob Marley film in SJ
Keywords: Jah mon!
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:28:26 GMT

FYI: Bob Marley: Time Will Tell, exclusive south bay premiere, the first
feature length film on the life and music of Marley. August 14,15 Camera
One late shows. Sorry, no number, call 555-1212 for number. And don't
forget to stand up for your rights, no matter who the guy is.

Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: I blew it...
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:33:05 GMT

I was buying my texts for next semester (including a thick book
labeled "Artificial Intelligence") and my light reading (including
an upper division anthropology book labeled "Magic, Witchcraft and
Religion") when the woman bagging my books looked up and remarked
she would sure like to know what course I was taking.

I knew it was an anthropology text book so I didn't think to reply:

"Advanced Sorcery.  Our term project is to contruct a homulus, and
I want a smart one who can do my homework for me."

I am not worthy.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: this Virgin Mary appearance thang
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:59:26 GMT

In article <2A8B215C.1526@noiro.acs.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>This tendency people have for not even BOTHERING
>TO QUESTION THINGS IN THE MOST RUDIMENTARY WAY concerns me.

It gets better than that.

If you report a non-Christian experience most people _insist_ that you
are mistaken.  It was just a coinicidence, someone was playing a prank,
etc.  Unless you are talking to a fundie, in which case it was the photo-
negative god trying to steal your soul.

Even if you explain that you are not saying the _event_ was caused by
your diety, but a personal realization prompted by the event was, you
are dismissed as ill-informed, illogical, etc.

BUT, if you donate $250 to Oral Roberts so he won't be "called home"
(didn't he want to go to heaven...?) nobody bats an eye.

Ye olde double standard.  You could not possibly have experienced
Coyote at play,  but how dare you claim that that is not the BVM
appearing on the wall of this house at precisely the time the street
lights come on!


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.privacy
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: privacy act
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
    <1992Aug14.072100.28509@access.digex.com> <l8q892INNetf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
    <5810@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:16:00 GMT

In article <5810@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>Growing grass in your own house is illegal; are you saying that
>illegal acts become decriminalised if carried out in the privacy of
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ no, legal
>your own home?

As long as nobody complains about it.  That is, in fact, how many sex laws
have become de-facto obsolete.  Law enforcement chose to stop violating a
person's natural right to privacy.  

>"Oh sorry sir, I didn't mean to interrupt you beating your wife,
>excuse me for trespassing"

Currently, if the wife does not press charges, the case is dropped, right?
I don't see what impact privacy rights would have.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: privacy act
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.privacy
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:24:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.202321.18613@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> marlow@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.151600.22628@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>
>>Currently, if the wife does not press charges, the case is dropped, right?
>>I don't see what impact privacy rights would have.
>>
> WaWatch it dude, if the neighbors call the cops because your
> slapping the `ole  lady around, your going to jail regardless
> of what your wife says or does.  By law, the police are required to 
> take to jail anyone they have evidence of commiting domestic violence.
> That evidence could be statements made by anyone at the scene, or
> the fact that your house is trashed, and the wife looks beaten up.

Amazing how this still goes on, then.  Obviously, you have been
watching a little too much TV.  Why don't you try reading REAL police
statistics, reading interviews with battered women, and women who work
for hotlines.  Try working for one.  

> After that night in jail, the wife could press addisioal charges to keep your ass there.  Watch COPS on Fox T.V. channel on Saturday Nights.  This 
> ussually happens a lot on that program.

Oh, excuse me for impugning the accuracy and impartiality of your
information source.  You obviously have a very reliable and enviably
unbiased source of information.

A thousand pardons,
Janis
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: new hassles
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:23:58 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <2A916450.24619@orion.oac.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis
Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <3N5oPB2w164w@drc.uucp> alizard@drc.uucp (A.Lizard) writes:

>>Saw something interesting on the tube, local news. 
>>It seems that a group called the Traditional Values Coalition had
>>a local chapter which had a clown named Bryce Alexander giving a
>>fundie style lecture on the Craft. It made the news because a group
>>of Wiccans protested it. 
>>This is the group that got a measure passed in Concord,Calif. that
>>repealed an anti-gay discrimination ordinance. 
>>This is something that at a minimum, should be of interest to Calif.
>>pagans.

>Only because it makes me shake my head and hope that the next extinction
>wave hits fast before we REALLY do some damage . . . 

Unfortunately for us, the TVC (Shortened for typing's sake...) has look-alike
groups working in Oregon and Washington State (from what I rememebr correctly)
and is trying to take over the elected offices.  TVC is using a few new
techniques that are legal in CA, such as registering all people in a
congragation to vote, and then the minister preaching "Vote for so-and-so or
you'll burn in hell for letting so-and-so's-opponent into office!".  And with
the voters apathy in the US, this is working...

Krikket               ! krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us ! USnail:3 Danada Square E.
a.k.a Doug Krick      ! Team Star Charter Member   !        Suite 246
Data ph# 708/665-9732 ! #include<std.disclaimers>  !        Wheaton, Il 60187
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  Just another commentary on the sad state of affairs on our nation today.
From: fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: gipsy kings
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:21:51 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

oooo, now you've got me all excited, janis!  

i *love* gipsy kings' music.  a (pagan) dance student of mine introduced me to
it.  in additions to the ones you mentioned i have several more favorites....
but anyhow:  "viento del arena" is a rework of an arabic dance tune (or the
reverse, perhaps, considering we can't exactly date some of these tunes, and
given the exchange between cultures).  i'll have to look up my notes on the
"composer" or arranger of the arabic tune, but i think the translation is the
same?

there's also a south american musical group whose record another student
bought.  it has a song on it called "cimarron" that is just incredible (tho
i've never got to hear all of it, it's evocative and trancelike too).  ah!
*now* i've thought of it: "andanzas," with an addendum in the title something
like "songs of south america."

i have danced to some of gipsy kings...in shows.  bamboleo in particular is a
favorite.  myohmy, what i can do to their music!!!!

and if you can't sit still to "viento del arena," janis, i'd love to have you
in class!!!!

i'm also dying to get full translations of these,  any generous persons out
there?  made the mistake of studying french, not spanish, darn.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Returned mail: Host unknown
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:45:34 GMT

> From: elizabeth a fannin <fannin@cis.ohio-state.edu>
> Subject: woothatscold
> 
> you BET i'm a dancer!!!!!  seminar instructor, at that....yup, a
> part-cherokee, shamanistic, hillbilly, 66-cutlass-driving, middle eastern
> dancer.  that's me.
> 
> i think i've already had this conversation with your husband.
> 
> i would *really* like to compile a list of dancers with email capability.....
> 
> liz, aka SHAKIRA

Hi Liz!

Yup, we had that conversation.  I sent Lynne a reminder note when I
saw her posting.  As I recall, you have a standing invitation to
come over if you're in the area.

But you never told me your dance name before.

Blessings!  May your coin and bead dangles be forever warm!

		-- radzy

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: gipsy kings
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:30:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <CMM.0.88.714345711.fannin@pons.cis.ohio-state.edu> fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin) writes:
>oooo, now you've got me all excited, janis!  
>
>i *love* gipsy kings' music.  a (pagan) dance student of mine introduced me to
>it.  in additions to the ones you mentioned i have several more favorites....
>but anyhow:  "viento del arena" is a rework of an arabic dance tune (or the
>reverse, perhaps, considering we can't exactly date some of these tunes, and
>given the exchange between cultures).  i'll have to look up my notes on the
>"composer" or arranger of the arabic tune, but i think the translation is the
>same?

If you know the LYRICS, could you mail them to me?  I am positive they
aren't Spanish, and the only other thing I can think of is Romany.   I
sure as heel can't understand one word of it.  

>there's also a south american musical group whose record another student
>bought.  it has a song on it called "cimarron" that is just incredible (tho
>i've never got to hear all of it, it's evocative and trancelike too).  ah!
>*now* i've thought of it: "andanzas," with an addendum in the title something
>like "songs of south america."

What is the name of the group? 

>i have danced to some of gipsy kings...in shows.  bomboleo in particular is a
>favorite.  myohmy, what i can do to their music!!!!

That is a favorite in general; I love it, too.  When they played out
here at Irvine Meadows, they saved it for an encoure, and the entire
place was up when the first few notes wafted over us (although, in
fairness, we were up the whole time!).

>and if you can't sit still to "viento del arena," janis, i'd love to have you
>in class!!!!

Hon, I haven't danced since I was preadolescent; when I stopped was when
my spine started to collapse.  I sometimes wonder if my stopping didn't
hasten it.  Can you believe I used to be able to lay on my stomach and
touch my forehead with my toes?  *sigh*.  What I wouldn't give for that
resilient, limber 12-year old body I used to have.  I could tie myself
in knots.  *sigh*.  

>i'm also dying to get full translations of these,  any generous persons out
>there?  made the mistake of studying french, not spanish, darn.

I can send you some semitranslations of the sdtuff off of Mosaique that
a friend of mine gave me after I got as far as I could in deciphering
them.  Janet has a 4-year degree in Spanish and can speak it wonderfully
well.

Blessings,
Janis  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: house consecrations, in a fashion
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:16:15 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com writes:
> i FINALLY finished the dollhouse...  anyway, it's going to have a little
> home altar in it, and it needs consecrating.

Hi Ailsa!

I don't really have any suggestions.  I just wanted to say this sounds
neat!

OK, maybe I *do* have a suggestion, but I don't know if it'll be
useful at all.....

How about simply consecrating it as though it were going to be your
*normal* alter.  I think that would involve actually using it, and
you could do that to some extent.  You'd have to use a tiny athame
and other tools, and candles would have to be beside, instead of on
top of, the alter.  But it could be done.

Well, it's something to think about, anyway.

Bear Blessings!

		-- radzy

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	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
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	        			|  tender heart."
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:26:59 GMT

MOONWISE by Greer Ilene Gilman.  A new, very different, fantasy novel
with a lot of serious pagan symbolism.  It's expressed in its own
terms and thus is a bit hard to understand at first.  The atmosphere
is reminiscent of Peake and Bear but all its own.  Very well worth
reading.  Oh, that woman has an intricate, twisty, mysterious mind!

THE HIGH PLACE (and many other things) by James Branch Cabel.  Not
really pagan, but they do a wonderful job of turning conventional
concepts of magic and religion upside down.  I mention this one
because it features "the adversary of all the gods of men", who is not
what most people think he is.  Cabel's protagonists tend to be male.

--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:00:59 GMT

In article <0aBJPB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Michael J. Hamilton) writes:
>
>> A classic, which maybe isn't quite "pagan", but
>> definately a must read for anyone in that sort of
>> a belief direction:  Robert Heinlin's (sp?)
>> _Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land_.  It's been recently
>> rereleased with some extra material which was edited
>> back when it was first released.  Like I said, it's
>> definately a must-read.
>>
>
>unless, of course, you happen to be one of those "poor pathetic inverts," who
>really don't feel like having the Great Michael "grok a wrongness" in us.
>
>heinlein was a sexist homophobic unimaginative dickhead.
>

Kudos, ailsa.  Heinlein's books are incredibly pathetic.  The man wrote
only five basic characters, and they reflected the world of a small and
sad man who spent far too much time reading Penthouse Forum and hating
his mother:

1. the harpy wife who bullies her husband, or the older woman who 
   bullies men in general.

2. the husband, who we're all supposed to feel sorry for.

3. the autobiographical old fart who gets more pussy than a
   septagenarian cardiovascular system could ever handle.

4. the gorgeous genius woman with huge tits who'll go down on anything.
   She also usually has babies, babies, and more babies.  It's rather
   illustrative that Heinlein and his wife never had children.

5. the weak-minded, strong-backed young man who comes under the tutelage
   of the old fart.

His books are wish-fulfillment fantasies for a man who couldn't relate
to people as they were.  His characters were uniformly homophobic; NONE
of his male characters ever said anything good about man/man sex.  There
was, however, plenty of woman/woman sex, and in such a way as to make it
especially titillating for the MALE reader, in the same way that the
so-called lesbian letters in Penthouse are.

He was a misogynist, homophobic right-wing asshole with his thumb up his
ass.

Just one person's correct opinion,
Janis
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:48:50 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <ogorman.713903414@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:
>
>'The way of Wyrd' by Brian Bates(?) 
>
>The story of a christian missionary in pagan britain and of his
>conversion...

 He *isn't* converted. The author makes that clear since his character
supposadely goes back to his monestary and writes the text on folk magic
and herbalism which survives. He reaches an accomadation with Saxon
beliefs but he never renounces his Christianity.

Wassail,
Grendel

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From: alizard@drc.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Where it came from
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:14:50 GMT
Organization: Sound Blaster Systems, Concord CA

From my discussion with the tech customer services rep at Compuserve,
THEY seem to think that it originated from their system, and they
(or rather their executives and legal people) are trying to figure out
what to do about it. I'll have an address you can send complaints to,
if I don't hear of any action, I'll post a phone number (if you have
it, you want to talk to TECHNICAL customer service... just say it's
about problems with C-serve customers posting on Usenet, I was told
that the tech customer service people all know about the Colvins.)

A.Lizard
From: alizard@drc.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: for those of you who are interested
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:40:41 PDT
Organization: Sound Blaster Systems, Concord CA

I'm back... 

By the way, those of you who have sent mail to me and not gotten a
reply in a reasonable length of time should try again... my local
node ran out of HD space...
Bright Blessings
A.Lizard
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: That Virgin Mary really gets around
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:41:38 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Aug12.050347.18721@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
><11190028@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>>Me:
># As a follow-up to the Watsonville appearance of the VM it seems that
># she decided to favor the East Coast with a visit also.  Seems a man in
># Trenton, New Jersey claims that the VM has been visiting him for awhile
># now in his backyard.  The radio didn't say if she was seen in a
># knothole this time or if she's upgraded her accomodations.
>
>>      Well, golly whiz, it's not like she has to make plane reservations.
>>(I wonder if they have that special fare thing where she's from -- whatsit --
>>oh, yeah -- travel miles or something. 
...
>one just didn't exist when she lived on this earth. I don't know about
>frequent ship-passenger or frequent wagon-rider programs, however :-)

I think they were frequent-camel-rider programs.


Gordon
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From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:01:28 GMT

In article <0FVPPB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
[stuff deleted for bandwidth]
>wow, with all of these, my favorite books (well, i thought gearheart was just a
>touch hard on the gentles, but anyway...) listed, i thought *I* had written
>this post and just forgotten!  i also recommend these books VERY VERY VERY
>highly!  (i always wanted to meet a woman who likes the same books i do...)
>
>                                                 -ailsa

Well gosh!  My net.crush responds! *blush*  And we have the same taste in
lit'ratchoor (I'll second your _Widdershins_ recommendation).  I'd love to
meet you, too. ;-)  However, having ended a 1-1/2 year Portland/NYC
cross-country romance in January (my first *true* love) and survived a
spring-from-job-travel-hell (every other week to SF), I don't want to do
anymore traveling for a while.  Nor can I afford to (my heart will heal
from the rel'p sooner than my bank account - sigh).  Consider yourself
invited to Oregon (yeah, I know your financial situation, but it's the
thought that counts :-).  When you get here, I'll read you and Katy to
sleep every night.  I may even rub your feet with lavendar oil.  At the
very least, you can use my way-cool lavendar-scented lavendar-colored-
with-pink-triangles soap (no kidding!).  And of course, the chocolate
supply is superb and never-ending... 

Do read the Opal Whitely book - you'll fall in love with Oregon (if you
didn't already from _The_Riverhouse_Stories_).

Blessed Be,

- Gretchen

P.S.  Apologies to radzy for having to weed another unrelated post out of
the thread.  :-}

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