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From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: Re: Daycare vs. Nanny; FT vs. PT for an Infant
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:34:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.193436.16434@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
 
>
>We are investigating nannies after our efforts at finding a good
>daycare (with a vacancy) seem to have failed.
>
>We are looking for care for our seven week old daughter and are of
>this opinion:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>However, I'm sure at SOME age the stimulation of other children
>wins out over staying at home with a nanny.  What's that age?
>
This is not my own personal experience, just an opinion I have
because I've watched other children. (Since I can't afford a
stay-at-home-nanny, my daughter has been going to daycare since
she was 8 weeks old - and she lived .... She's a well-adjusted 2.5yo
now.) But to your question.  I agree with you: I think it is better
for young babies to have a personal care-taker.  However, I strongly believe,
that a daycare setting is the better arrangement at about 2-3 years of
age.  A friend of mine's son has had a nanny for his sone who is now
3.5.  He tried getting him into daycare recently because the boy is
having a tough time with other children.
 
[stuff deleted]
 
>We are considering a nanny (in our home).  In some ways I'd like
>it if that nanny brought her kid(s) and in other ways I think
>those kid(s) would vie for nanny time and my daughter is still too
>young to benefit from other kids, other than to catch colds.
>
That's a tough call, but I'd probably go for no kids for a very
young infant.... But if faced with the decision in real life, I'd
just pick the most competent seeming person, regardless...
 
>I hesitate to post this because I don't want it to turn into
>criticism of other people's childcare arrangements.  I just want
>some feedback; if you are inclined to criticize a particular
>arrangement, maybe it would be best to send me mail?
>--
>Amy Moseley Rupp                        Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
>
 
Stephanie
>(512) 329-7117
>
Date: Saturday, 2 January 1993 20:53:44 MST
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Let's get practical (was: Why Circumcise?)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <gdavis.726012330@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)  wrote:
# Circumcision is socially sanctioned child abuse without a doubt.

  So, besides annoying the Net, what are you doing about it?

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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From: posenau@suntory.larc.nasa.gov (Maryanne Posenau)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Love you forever (was Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Date: 24 Dec 1992 14:21:26 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.larc.nasa.gov

>>>If you really want a good cry try 'Love You Forever', forget the
>>>author right now).
>>
>>Robert Munsch! It is a fabulous book, I kept it by my bedside and read it
>>"Love You Forever'. I started crying half way thru, and continued crying for
>>about a half hour. 
>>
>Excellant book if you like to be emotionally manipulated by ficticious events
>fabricated by some stranger.  Bah- Humbug!     :-)
>

My mother came to visit for Thanksgiving, and in general conversation
around work, I was talking about how "challenging" it was to have my
mother visiting.  We love each other, but we can sure drive each other
crazy!  Anyway, my office-mate kept saying "I have this book you've
got to read".  You guessed it; it was "Love You Forever".  When those
things inevitably cropped up that would normally set us off on an
argument, I managed to keep it to myself and lighten up.  It turned
out to be a really nice visit (not entirely smooth, but what's a few
bumps among family?)  When she left, I got one for myself and sent one
to my sister, too.  My plan for future visits is to read the book, dry
my eyes, then go have a pleasant talk with my mother :-)
-- 
Mary-Anne Posenau
m.a.k.posenau@larc.nasa.gov
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:39:33 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman) writes:
>
>I have to admit, my husband can't handle it when the kids throw up.
>Everything else he pretty much takes in stride. I guess I'm bragging
>a bit!

It's a funny thing, what you can stand. Before I had kids, I was the
terribly squeamish type.  If anyone else vomited anywhere near me, I
was bound to do the same :-(.  In fact that was one of my big worries
about having kids - how could I stand to clean up after them when they
were sick, without getting sick myself? (I was worried about gagging
when I changed poopy diapers too.)

We all had the stomach flu a few weeks ago.  My son got it first, and
came down with it in the car while we were driving home from daycare
:-( :-( :-(.  He vomited ALL OVER the inside of the car.  We were on
a busy road, in the dark on a rainy night.  There was NO WAY I could
stop the car and go around to him.  So I just kept on driving, reaching
my hand back to his knee to pat it and try to calm him by saying "It's
okay, you'll be alright" etc, etc. When we got home I carried him in,
stripped off his vomit covered clothes, bathed him, etc, etc. all without
even thinking of gagging myself.  But when I went back out to the car,
I gagged just opening the door.  When I picked up the pile of his clothes
from the garage floor, I gagged.  My husband had to clean up the car,
because I just couldn't do it.  (Vomit was everywhere, on the dash,
on the windshield (and he was in the back seat!), the floor, the back
of my sweater, ...)

All through the night, I held my son and the basin while he threw up,
cleaned up afterwards, with no problem.  However, when my husband got
it, I couldn't clean up the mess because I started to gag, and almost
lost it myself.

Has anyone else got this "selective" queasy stomach?

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 6 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:52:43 GMT

In article <22DEC199212151641@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>Well, does anyone else find that just having kids around makes you
>more prone to being moved by tearjerking movies? I've always
>been emotional, but it seems that since I have become a mother,
>I cry more easily at movies and commercials and some books (if
>you really want a good cry try 'Love You Forever', forget the
>author right now).

Robert Munsch! It is a fabulous book, I kept it by my bedside and read it
dozens of times before I attempted to read it to Jeffrey, so I wouldnt fall
apart while reading it to him. One day he had a very poopy diaper, and he
brought me a book, I told him I would read it to him after I changed him.
(he was prone to getting rashes if his poopy sat against his skin too long)
He was making such a fuss about getting his diaper changed, and kept waving
the book around. It accidently hit me in the head with it, and I got mad, 
grabbed the book, and threw it on the floor. Then I yelled, I will read it to
you when I am done!! He was about 20 months old at the time, and he was at an
easy stage, so I almost never yelled. I felt so bad that I did yell that time.
Anyway, after the diaper change I did read the book as promised. It was 
"Love You Forever'. I started crying half way thru, and continued crying for
about a half hour. 

Any, yes tear jerker movies affect me more, and so do newspaper articles that
deal with bad things happening to children. I even find myself fighting tears
when I see a child hurt him/herself at the park.

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ishizaki@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Audrey Ishizaki)
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:59:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <NELSON.92Dec23142522@cheetah.clarkson.edu> nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:
>
>Or are you willing to face the risk that the intervention that happens
>in *every* hospital birth will cause problems?

I was at a hospital when I bore my son; I don't believe there was *any*
intervention.  Oh, excuse me, I did receive two stitches where I tore.

There *was* no other intervention in the birth process (there was no
time!  Of course, it depends on how you define "intervention").

There's an interesting article in the latest "Mothering" magazine about
homebirths in Holland (where there are statistically the most homebirths).
Midwives go thru a 3 year schooling/training process (the cost of which
is partially paid by the govt).  The 3rd year midwife-student who was
informally interviewed said (in essence) that she wasn't surprised that
there were so few homebirths in the USA, since there was so little
after-birth support.  In Holland, apparently, someone comes to your house
to help the mother with the child, cleaning, grocery shopping, etc.. for
a 2? week period after the birth, at a very small cost ($15/day?).  Also,
homebirths are covered by insurance, while hospital stays are not (but
hospital *costs* other than overnight stayes are).

Anyhow, read the article, I may have quoted it wrong; I read it at 3am
this morning! :(

audrey ishizaki
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Things they do to make you proud (4 months)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:07:10 GMT

On Christmas day Aladdan opened here in Ames.  My 12 year old sister is here
visiting for the holidays and we wanted to all go to the movie on opening day.
The one problem was what to do with Joseph who is only 4 months old.  All of
our possible babysitters are out of town, and anyway it wouldn't be very
nice to ask anyone to babysit on Christmas day.  My husband and I both
really *hate* crying babies in movie theaters, even Disney movies.  So, what
to do?  My husband wanted just me and my sister to go, but I could tell that
he really wanted to go too and was just being noble.  I suggested we *all* go.
My husband agreed on the condition that *I* be the one to walk the mall with
the baby when the inevitable happened and the baby started to cry in the
middle of the movie.  I agreed.  Joseph slept for the first half hour and
then woke up.  I was holding him and thought, oh, well, this is it.  I turned
him so he was facing the screen.  I was amazed when he started to *watch* the
movie!  He watched the movie for the next *hour*!  The only noises he made
were to occaisionally talk to himself, but not loudly enough for anyone else
to hear.  We were all very proud of him!

Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Subject: circumcision statistics
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:36:03 GMT

I am newly married (7 mos) with no little one on the way yet, but
I have been reading the posts on circumcision with great interest.
My husband and I disagree on whether or not a future son of ours
should be circumcised (he says no, I say yes), but that's not
the point of this post.

What I am interested in finding out is:

what percentage of all infant boys in the USA are circumcised these days?

Surely a pediatrician would have this info or could tell someone
where to find it.  Do any of you know?

Thanks,

TD
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce)
Subject: fathers-to-be ignored by doctors, was Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisite
Reply-To: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
Organization: Hitachi America Ltd
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:35:02 GMT

We had an annoying experience with doctor's completely ignoring my
husband during my pregnancy.  My obstetrician was fine with including my
husband.  But, another doctor referred to for an amniocentesis (after two
high AFP test results) was just terrible.  (By the way -- amnio came out
fine, we have a healthy 8 month old boy, although born 5 weeks premature.)
 
Anyway, we were discussing with this doctor whether or not to have the
amniocentesis, and what the possible results of the test would be.  The
doctor (a woman) completely and totally ignored my husband.  She spoke
only to me.  While it is true that I was the one who had the ultimate
decision about whether or not to have the test, and what to do based on
the results of the test, my husband was certainly going to be involved
in the decision making.  The simple fact that he was present should have
been a clue that this was the case.
 
So, what can one do about this?  I can of course not go back to this
doctor, but then again, I won't have the need to again, I hope.  At
the time I had too much on my mind to say anything to the doctor. 
 
 
Jill Boyce (mother to Jimmy, 8 months)
jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Childcare Holiday standards
Date: 27 Dec 1992 21:12:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

In article <27378@sybase.sybase.com> peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock) writes:
>I have a question for those of you who use day care.  How do your daycare
>providers charge for Holidays/Vacations?
>
>Our daycare provider is taking off 6 of the next 10 days for the
>Christmas/New Years holiday, but she wants to be paid as if she were
>here the whole time.  We understand that if we don't leave Kiera ...

We have always paid our babysitters a weekly salary, every week.
This means weeks that include legal holidays, and weeks that include
vacation.  My feeling is that my husband and I get paid 52 weeks a
year, with about 2 weeks of vacation time, and our childcare providers
deserve the same.  Exactly when the vacation days are is decided
by mutual consent--so far we have never had a problem with someone
who wanted too much time off, or insisted on vacation at times that
were inconvenient for us.

Sue
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nursing chair recommendation
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development

In article <1h7d0dINN5lb@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>
>For me, there is only one requirement in a nursing chair: that it not have
>arms. Arms give the baby something to kick against, so he can suddenly zoom 
>over a little distance with your nipple firmly clenched in his little jaws. 
>Ouch!
>
>Paula Burch

	I'm just the opposite.  I want arms so I can have something to support
the arm where the babies head is resting.  Otherwise, I tend to tense up
my shoulder and get stiff.  You need to try the chair, tho, to make sure
the arm is at the right height for you.
	We have a glider rocker and I LOVE it.  It is so comfortable.  When
I was doing night feeding, I'd find myself starting to doze off. It's going
into our room when we are done with rocking the baby.
	My little guy can clench his jaw and jerk is head back, OUCH!!!!, without
anything to brace his feet on. :^(


Julia
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: Barney videotapes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:46:07 GMT

From article <1992Dec18.235330.27659@nas.nasa.gov>, by choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi):
> Just wanted to warn people, that Barney doesn't always look or sound
> the same on the videotapes as on TV.  We were watching the one about
> the beach. "A day at the beach"...or some such name, and his voice
> was pretty different and he was brownish instead of purple....and no spots.
> Lea was not fooled.

On the other hand, Emily doesn't care.  Barney is Barney, no matter what he
looks like.  (She does notice the difference.)
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:21:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Okay, I really was trying to stay out of this one,
even when I read:

 If you feel more comfortable going to a hospital then by all
   means do so.  Home birth means in part taking partial responsibility for
   ones health care and the decisions involved in the same and not relying 
   completely on the health care establishment to take care of us.
 (part of Russell Yonkers post)

But now Kayvan has quoted it, and I can't refrain from responding.
Here goes:

While I am a staunch supporter of midwives, midwifery, homebirths
for those who want them, women-centered health care, conservative
intervention, etc etc etc (and I'm not talking through my hat here:
I have been part of a women's healthcare collective, have written
papers on midwifery, and have been involved in patient-rights 
activities) I resent the implication that those of us who give
birth in hospitals and/or with medical interventions are somehow not
willing to "take responsibility for our healthcare", but instead
prefer to "rely completely on the health care establishment to
take care of us".

In my own case, not only did I choose to have Isabel in a hospital,
but I begged, pleaded, and did everything in my power (short of
turning her to breech position :) to get my OB to agree to a
C-section. I had serious concerns about the baby's health, based
on amnio results, and serious doubts about being able to deliver
vaginally anyway (horrendous family history of "failure to progress"
with some serious complications - like brain-injury, hemorraghing, etc-
), anxiety about the baby contracting herpes, etc. etc. etc. and *I*
decided that, should the baby be healthy and then have something
happen due to a difficult vaginal delivery, I would not be able
to cope. My OB and I fought over this throughout the last 4 months
of the pregnancy - she didn't want to do an "unecessary section"
(and I chose her because she shares some of my healthcare philosophy).
Well, I won, finally, and Isabel was delivered, healthy, via c-section.
Now, she might have been delivered just fine vaginally at home. And I
was sorry to miss the experience of laboring. But I am happy I made
the decision I did, and have absolutely no regrets about it.

My point being that I feel I took full responsibility for my
healthcare. I was extremely involved in, and educated about,
almost all of the decisions related to my pregnancy and birthing
care. *And* I chose a high-intervention birth for my daughter.

So, while I appreciate the informative posts on homebirthing,
which I think is a good option for many, I do *not* appreciate
(what seems to me to be) the self-righteous tone of some of the
posters. Your choice was best for you (and is worth hearing about,
for those who may not be as well-informed) and that's great. But
don't assume that different choices imply less willingness
to take responsibility, or anything else.

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.212646.3784@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.180706.5258@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com
>(Mike Nelson) writes in reply to one of my postings:
>
>
>   > About flossing teeth! I'm one of the lucky ones. My parents
>   > removed each of my teeth as they came in.  I never have to floss
>   > and my gums are perfect, although somewhat retracted.  I enjoy
>   > food and I have been assured by numerous doctors that the
>   > flavour of food is in no way diminished. I certainly don't want
>   > to have to take care of my own childrens teeth and have decided
>   > to remove theirs as well.
>
>   > I only wish my parents had removed my hair follicles[sp?] when I
>   > was born so that I wouldn't have to wash it all the time. It
>   > serves no purpose that a toque doesn't. (like a mitten for your
>   > head; [tuke pron. like puke]).
>
>   > AH! Bald and toothless. Man, I'm living now.
>
>AH!  A sense of humor!  What a relief to find someone with a sense of humor
>in the middle of what has become a flame war.  I laughed until I almost peed
>when I read that one.  Great job Mike, even if I disagree with you.
>
>And as a matter of fact, I've been telling people that one of the advantages
>of going bald is that it gives me less to do in the morning in the way of
>combing my hair (and I've given thought to just shaving it, but I suspect
>that that would actually be more trouble to take care of than the current
>closely cut do I have now).
>
>Ah...if people could disagree with me as joyfully as you have, I'd have more
>fun with some of these topics.  Let this be a lesson to the rest of you.
>
>Cheers!
>
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
>*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

		Sorry!


	"affect", not "effect".

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: embarrassing things they do
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.211222.8252@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes...
> 
> 
>My daughter (20 mo.) who we really did try to de-emphasize Santa 
>around went post Christmas shopping with me Saturday.  We were standing 
>in line to check out ande Cameron says "Hi Claus" just as plain as day.
>I turned around and there was this large man in line behind us with
>white shoulder length hair and a full white beard. He really did look 
>like Santa. It wouldn't have been so embarrassing had he at least
>acknowledged her saying hi, but he was obviously unamused. He ignored her
>as she got louder and louder and more insistant. It was rerally hard
>not to laugh.  I drug her out of the store screaming "Claus, Claus Hi Claus"
>at the top of her lungs.


Too bad the fellow wasn't in a better mood. At church on Christmas
eve, my son pointed to a woman in the row behind us and said
'grandma'. She did look like one of his grandmas. She was very
nice about it, and explained she was waiting for her grandkids,
and was not the least bit offended. Now if I can just convince
him that all women who call on the phone are not grandma, we'll
be ok. 8-)
                        Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids