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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:57:16 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <13225@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>In article <HELLER.92Jul26101949@teucer.think.com> heller@teucer.think.com (Steve Heller) writes:
>>
>>If temperature were the only important measure of the liquid, the answer
>>would be: "it doesn't", but there are other considerations.  As I
>>understand it, and I'm not a physicist, there are more crystalization sites
>>in hot water than in cold water, and when the hot water passes through the
>>lower temperature, it isn't in exactly the same state as the cooler liquid.
>>So, the freezing process can in fact take less time starting with hot
>>water.  In any case, this is easy enough to try at home.
>
>   And what happens to the hot water when it gets to the same temperature
>   as the cold water?  I quess the memory of all the hot times it had as
>   hot water gives added incentive to hurry up and freeze.
>
>   By the way I've got this bridge to sell...
>

I can't stay out of it anymore...   as someone who spent a *little* time
in the study of 'theory of the dynamics of fluids' (that's as opposed to
hydrostatics)..  I'll chime in my guess that if it is true about this
hot water biz..  that it'd be worth seeing if convection currents
play a role in hastening the transfer of heat from the 'hot' bucket.

-thorick



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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul27.160407.11138@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>In article <9980@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) 
>writes...
>>I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. If
>>you can afford a Randall, you'll be a happy camper. 
>That's an interesting example, David.  I can't think of why any civilian
>would want to carry one of those icepicks they call 'Commando' knives,

Yes...I was younger and even more foolish back when I bought it. Though
I should note that the knife is 10 years old, and I still think a Gerber
(even of this design), given their reputation, shouldn't have broken
under the circumstances. 

>Bowie-style knife.  And I'd think that includes 'fighting,' although I

Although I know nothing about knife fighting, this seems very true to
me. These days, I'd much rather have a clip-point design. Problem is,
can't even afford mass produced ones like Cold Steel Trailmaster. 250$
for the Carbon V version.

>losers.  If you carry a Mk I or Mk II or Fairbairn-Sykes style blade,

I was under the impression that the FS design was really proven to be
poor when put into practice. Vary fragile. I'd think a Mk I is a better
design, since it is shorter and lacks the cheesy serrated edge. 

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Keywords: black belt time
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:46:51 GMT

In article <seah.711921593@sfu.ca> seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
>The number of years appears (from e-mail replies) to be very variable,
>as expected.  But might this, indirectly, be related to the fact that there
>may be no standards in the martial arts world?  Who decides when a person
>gets a belt, and on what grounds?  When he can break bricks?  When he can
>hit so-and-so point on his opponent's body without breaking a sweat?
>
>Simon
>- still got my A suit on
>

But Simon, why do you care?  Does having a black belt make you a better
fighter?  Do you think that it means you don't need to practice as hard?

Excellence is not a destination.  It's a journey.
From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: == No Subject ==
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:47:18 GMT
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College

In article <memo.551897@cix.compulink.co.uk>, bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar) writes:
>> He eventually ran into the holster and the 9mm and
>> said "Holy Shit. This is a gun!" 
>
>And I thought safe sex had something to do with condoms!

There's a phrase about having a big package, but I doubt anyone understand's
the Greaseman ... 

>>for the offer!  Actually, I am trying to
>>be in Virginia on August 4-6 for the
>>Surveillance Expo '92 (Gordon Liddy is the
>>keynote speaker) but I am not sure if it
>>will work out.  The company that I have started
>>doing work for is completely unreasonable,
>>making me conform to *their* schedule.  Hmmpf.

Psst, Bill ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--- = clue	:-)

>Err, maybe a silly question, but what is the profession that
>puts you in the position of shooting people so much.?

She's a private something-or-another, of course :) Pick one:

	Detective	"Cherry Poptart in/'The Case of Blue Balls'"
			<add liberal flashing Neon and loud fonts>

	Bodyguard	
	Security	Most likely, since it wraps up both bodyguard
			and Surveillance.

East vs West is dead, so now it's every company for themselves in the wild
world of industrial espionage. 

                               ******
   Net postings: Demonstrating the lack of quality psychotherapy in the world.
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shaolin Monks Tour: Postscript?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:35:55 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <24798@dog.ee.lbl.gov> twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>[Looks like my last post didn't make it, apologies for any repeats]

>I have just seen a Chinese language newspaper which had a message
>from Master Chan Pui.  Apparently, two of the monks from the Shaolin
>Temple group that toured the U.S. have vanished/defected/left without
>a trace.

Do you know the names of the Monks?

I was in the show with them in NY and I would recognize them.

It was one of the first shows in the tour and I remember hearing a rumour
that one of the monks had defected.

I don't think I would aid the Chinese government in returning them.

What is unfortunate was that this makes another such cultural interchange
highly unlikely in the future.

It also indicates that while major reforms have been made in Eastern
Europe, China is still a repressive regime.

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From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Keywords: black belt time
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:46:13 GMT
Originator: news@auspex-gw.Auspex.COM

In article <seah.711850080@sfu.ca>, seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
> How many years does it take to become a black belt in a martial art?

	5 minutes.  Less if you have cash.  Money orders also accepted...

> If you deign to reply to this post, please state the style

	Kung Fu San Soo.  "Belts?  We don't need no steenking belts!"

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo and Tai Chi?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:26:57 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Jul30.191444.7404@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) writes:
>I want to know if there
>would be any conflict between the two styles

Not if you make sure to separate them in your mind.  If they teach t'ai chi
fighting, my guess is that they'd both contribute something valuable to your
understanding.  If not, then at least you'll have something to practice for
the rest of your life, as you said.  I wonder about whether judo would be too
physically taxing, though, since you brought that up.  It's pretty physical.

Al
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:23:58 GMT

In article <10005@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.215144.6829@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>In article osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>>In article poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>>>I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. 
>>>	Well shoot, it's only a 420 alloy and using it to pry the concrete
>>>	top off your septic tank isn't exactly what the knife was designed
>>>	for.  Sheesh.
>>Yeah, what *were* you trying to do with that poor knife?
>
>Why, prying the top off my septic tank, of course!
>
>Naw, I just stabbed it into a 1" piece of pine, and off it snapped.
>Piece of shit if you ask me.

	Actually I must agree to an extent.  While the blade designs of the
	Mk I and Mk II Wasp are rather good, the handle designs kinda suck.
	I too must confess to having bent the tip on my Mk I to warrant its
	removal.  What I did was to remove the first 3/16 or so of the blade.
	I did not cut it quite square, but with a shallow "roof line" at the
	new tip.  It is very sharp, gives good penetration (in wood :) ) and
	is MUCH stronger.  You could also cut the tip square and sharpen it
	(like a diving knife) and get essentiaslly the same result.  At least
	you have a serviceable knife that may be useful for SOMETHING (like
	prying the concrete top off your septic tank)

	-Andy V.
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Date: 23 Jul 1992 20:21:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dojo.west.sun.com

MA tends to raise conscienceness...many teach respect of life.  Thing
is that if someone or something wants to make you luch, playing
a defensive game will not work, you will be lunch. 

So if it's you health/life on the line are you still worried about
the attacker?

	-Garth

In article 711850388@sfu.ca, seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
>I don't think I'm cut out to do martial arts.  I would hesistate to hurt
>even a big nasty dog attacking me.  Some compassion thing, I guess.
>At most, I would probably stand about
>and do non-dangerous defensive actions, or just DODGE LIKE CRAZY.
>
>Does martial arts reduce one's conscience, or do dogs from hell that
>try to eat innocent people walking to school  not deserve any
>consideration.
>^- not a flame, just curious.
>
>Simon
>




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  | garth.doverspike@west.sun.com			       |
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Abominable Abdominals
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:38:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I have a current number for Health For Life with me, (800) 874-5339.

'Legendary Abs' has gone through a couple of incarnations, from 
Legendary Abs to Beyond Legandary Abs, and I think a more recent
version, Legendary Abs II, or something like that.   It's a good
program, I think, very focused and very difficult, yet extremely
safe for the back.

						todd
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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Hakkoryu jujutsu
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:33:18 GMT


has anyone heard of Dennis G. Palumbo? he has written a couple of
books on hakkoryu jujutsu. is he well known in jujustu/AJJ cirlcles?
i have never heard of him.

-mukund
From: toman@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joseph Toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,soc.men
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

In article <keS126e00WCp03hYgF@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>	There's a masculine normative bias to the MA culture. The implication
>in this thread is that "masculine" attitudes to violence are correct,
>while "feminine" attitudes to violence are incorrect.

If you go to a new dojo, you should put on a white belt, and put what you know
or think you know, on the shelf. Similarly, if you're going to do something
that falls outside the traditional definitions of your gender, you should
respect the way it's done by those who have been doing it for a while.
Traditionally, organised violence is a male job. It's not a good job, it's
not a bad job, it's just a job. But it's one we've been doing for a long, 
long time, and I think it would be foolish to ignore what men know, even
what "untrained" men know, because in these "civilized & peaceful" times,
boys are still taught their old jobs, just like girls are taught theirs.

>	Is it really our job to "fix" female behavior? Are we being a little
>presumptuous in assuming that there SHOULD be more women in the martial
>arts?

No, it's not our job to "fix" female behavior. That's their problem. If,
however, we're going to muck about with the traditional gender roles, (which
I think is A Good Thing) then it is our job to point out the unpleasant 
aspects of the male role that these women are taking on, just like it's their
job to point out the unpleasant aspects of the female role. TANSTAAFL.


						J. Toman
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: The swarm
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:42:02 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

I took a suggestion (I think it was Dakin's) and during free sparring
tried sparring a whole pile of kids yesterday :-)  It was a rainy
day and they had a LOT of energy, so started class off at a serious
aerobic pace, running, jump kicks, etc... at 20 minutes, we did some
stretching to catch our breath and I sent them to put on their gear.
I put on a cup (very important with kids!)

I tried various numbers of kids from 2 - 6 depending on skill and
size.  Everyone had a blast, including me.  Some MA observations.

This is actually quite demanding, since you have to use control,
and try to keep at least 2 -3 targets (I mean kids) in view at
all times.  I found the roundhouse kick to be difficult to use, 
since the height I normally throw it happens to correspond with
their heads :-)  I got kicked in the tail a couple times, especially
with 6 kids which let me know I still have a problem with allowing
opponents to get behind me.  I really think I received at least as
much benefit from the exercise as they did :-)

a couple suggestions:
Wear foot pads for their safety,
Wear a cup, they have a hard time getting their kicks up that high,
Check their finger and toenails, I usually do this before sparring,
but forgot and ended up a bloody mess.

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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Gatorade vs. Water vs. Anything Else
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:22:43 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

>  I've heard some people say that regardless of what Gatorade makes you
>think, water is all you really need after a hard workout.  Anyone know
>if Gatorade is really that good, and why?  

I think it came up in the heat discussion not to drink sugar`d
water since this tends to raise body temp.  Gatorade certainly
is a good way to replenish your sugar :-) :-)  If you must drink
gatorade, you should at least dilute it by half and at 1/3 reg.
gatorade to 2/3 water there may actually be a small benefit in
terms of stamina.
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From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: Chi Kung Diet.. Well Scott??
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.030709.7745@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> root@anl433.uucp (Operator) writes:
>		Well anyone going to list the chi kung diet?? I'm
>		interested..
>
>	Thanks	Steve McLane    smclane@bnr.ca
>

I'll hit a few of the high points, but see the reference below.  Note that 
this is from the point of view of Taoist scientists.  Other traditions
would differ on certain points.  In particular, the Buddhist chi kung
practitioners would tend to differ on the issue of vegetarianism.  (Note
however, that the Buddhists are not known for their longevity.)

Do:  Eat a variety of foods.  Try to eat 3 types of vegetables at each meal.
Fish is good.  Chicken is good although best not to overdo chicken because
it generates heat.  Red meat generates a lot of heat.  Twice a week in the
winter is about right, although lamb is better than beef for several reasons.
Eat scallops occaisionally because they build the chi.  (Scallops are an
exception to the general prohibition on shellfish.)  Do supplement your diet 
with appropriate herbs depending upon the season and the particular needs
of your body.

Don't:  Be a vegetarian.  (It takes a diet of special tonic herbs to stay
healthy as a vegetarian.  It is almost impossible for a martial artist to
stay healthy over the long run on a vegetarian diet.)  Don't eat toxic 
food, including shellfish.  (Shellfish includes shrimp and crab as well.)
Don't eat scavengers.  (eg.  Pork) Avoid heavy spices and sauces.  (The
best Chinese food generates the sauce from the food as it is cooked.)
No coffee.  Don't eat candy, cakes, pies, etc.

Note that everyone tends to have somewhat different dietary requirements.
Learn your own needs and learn to be sensitive to changes in your body.

Diet and other issues are discussed in the book "Scholar Warrior" by
Deng Ming Dao.  (HarperCollins)  He is speaking from personal experience 
with the practice he discusses.  One word of caution, although the book
includes a description of several chi kung sets, one should not practice 
chi kung without competent instruction.  There are subtleties to chi
kung that are very difficult to learn from a book.  Improper practice of
chi kung has been known to make people irretrievably insane or cause
death to the practitioner.  In this regard, the book should be
considered a supplement for someone who has a good chi kung instructor
or as a reference book for specialists.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:28:33 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul28.215144.6829@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>I agree.  I carry a Clipit Endura.  Love that funky Spyderco
>edge.

Yes, but how do you sharpen that funky Spyderco edge?


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From: emarkp@ocf.berkeley.edu (E. Mark Ping)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:43:15 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul22.095347.16@antioc.antioch.edu> mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
>In article <59140@mimsy.umd.edu>, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>> In rec.martial-arts, ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>>>On the same subject, I've also heard that warm or hot water is
>>>more readily absorbed into the body than cold.  So the
>>>general idea being that you should drink warm water to replenish
>>>your body's water after a workout.
>>>
>>>Marty
>> 
>>      So, you sci.med and/or alt.folklore.* people, any input on this?
>
>and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
>cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
>do this?

  Of course not.  Not if both samples have the same number of molecules and
the same amount of surface area exposed to the environment.

  Take two samples of water with equal number of molecules in the sample
(with equal impurities).  Say sample X is warmer than sample Y (both in the
liquid phase for the more anal of you out there :-)

  Sample X will change temperature more quickly in a refrigerator (i.e.
dT/dt is more negative), however when the temperature of X reaches the
initial temperature of Y, it will take an additional amount of time to
freeze equal to the *total* amount of time it takes Y to freeze.  At least
in theory, with the above conditions holding.

  In practice however, this isn't always the case.  Sample X is more likely
to be the same *volume* as sample Y.  Since sample X has a lower density, it
also has fewer molecules which need to be cooled.  Also, the material in
which one is cooling the water may have some effect on the time -- i.e. a
metal container would allow the head in the warmer sample to disperse over a
greater surface area, allowing it to cool faster, etc.
-- 
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:46:07 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <keS126e00WCp03hYgF@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>Are we being a little presumptuous in assuming that there SHOULD be more 
>women in the martial arts?

	Why wouldn't you expect 51% of the people in martial arts to be
female, since women are 51% of the general population?  I mean, social
conditioning arguments aside?
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From: acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo)
Subject: Gatorade vs. Water vs. Anything Else
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:06:06 GMT

  I've heard some people say that regardless of what Gatorade makes you
think, water is all you really need after a hard workout.  Anyone know
if Gatorade is really that good, and why?  

  When I say "Gatorade", I mean actual Gatorade, plus other similar
products.  Comparison of real Gatorade with other such things is
welcome... 
--
Raul J. Acevedo
acevedo@MIT.EDU

Life is a mystery and it's an unsolvable one.  You simply live it through, and,
as you draw your last breath you say "What was that all about?"
		--- Marlon Brando
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