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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Williams in strife
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:25:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.065219.9690@sequent.com> dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
>Ah, politics.  Do you suppose racing will break out sometime soon?
>
>ps: Had a grand time watching the sprinters run at Manzanita (Phoenix)
>    this weekend on the television.  Low tech, certainly, but great
>    competition and certainly entertaining.  Everyone seemed to have
>    a good time.  Just thought you'd like to know.
>-- 
Re:  Politics.  Richard Petty has been hinting about running for
Prez of the United States in 1996.  Do you realize that if he won,
he'd be the *43rd* President.  Coincidence??

Re: Sprint carz.  Learned last night that Robert Yates is responsible
for tweaking the heads on Casey Luna's Ford-powered sprint car, and 
has plans to make the head available to all Ford sprint car teams.

bob
From: bobb@cabezon.uucp (Bob Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy 500, World Circuit, et al.
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:24:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1993Jan25.232454.5956
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

I recently purchased World Circuit and think it's 
a great game. The only real drawback (besides the 
documentation) is that you have to use a joystick
to control the car. Major bummer - very 
unnatural.

Consequently, I have questions for all you users
of World Circuit, Test Drive, Mario Andretti,
Nascar, Indy 500, etc.

If a steering wheel controller was available
for these games, would you be inclined to
purchase such a device.

If the quality and features of such a device were
comparable to the Thrust FCS, and included such
items as a steering wheel-mounted "semi-automatic"
gear changer and a seat of brake/accelerator
pedals, how much would be willing to pay?

Would you want the pedals part of the complete
unit or would you prefer them as an add-on? If
an add-on, what you be willing to pay for the
basic steering unit and how much extra for the
pedals?

Lastly, if a "real" gearbox was available,
which would you prefer, the "pushbutton
semi-automatic" or the box? Would you be
willing to pay extra for a gearbox as an
option, and how much?

Thanks,
Bob Boulanger
-- 
Bob Boulanger
Logic Modeling Corporation
19500 NW Gibbs Drive
Beaverton, OR  97006
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From: OVEKVAM@gribb.hsr.no (Kvam, Ove              7-95)
Subject: Re: RE: INDY 500 SIMULATION
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:57:45 GMT

In article <2124.3070.uupcb@synapse.org> marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton)  writes:
>From: marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton) 
>Subject: RE: INDY 500 SIMULATION
>Date: 17 Jan 93 21:53:00 GMT

>-> My current records (using the Amiga version) are:
>->
>-> Fastest lap: 37.00 seconds / 243.24 mph   March 27, 1992 (thrice more
>-> since) Best qualifying avg: 37.22 s / 241.80 mph  May 10, 1992
>-> Best 10-lap race: 6:23 / 234.98 mph  January 7, 1992  (twice)
>-> Best lap driving in reverse: 2:06.20 / 71.31 mph  January 20, 1992
>-> I only began recording 200-lap races a year ago, so can't be sure if
>-> my record on that is what I have written down or not.  Keeping a
>-> record on them doesn't mean much, though, since one never knows how
>-> many yellow flags there will be.  What I have is 2:24:05 / 208.33
>-> mph.  I handicap myself these days, though, starting in last place
>-> and using a competitive car rather than one in which I can lap the
>-> field.  Oh yes, I was keeping a record on how quickly I could do
>-> that, but I don't remember where I put it.  About 25 laps, I think it
>-> was.  Going from 33rd to 1st was another thing I tried setting
>-> records on, and got it down to at the beginning of lap six, I think
>-> ... in Turn 1.  Can't remember for sure, though.

>Geez! either you found the perfect car, or the Amiga version is not like
>mine!!!(IBM)

>Biggest crash ever made: during a 10 lap race, my false manoeuvre made a
>28 car pillupbetween corners 1 and 2 in the first lap!!!

>Is it possible to know your setting for your 37.00sec lap please!!??

I've done a pos 33 to pos 10 in a lap (first lap) on the amiga.
I did use a specialtuned Lola-Buick
My best lap average speed is 241.xx (Several times)
I've done the 10 lap race in less than 6.30 (6.27?)

Ove Kvam
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Subject: Re: William / FISA mess
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:11:58 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1k1comINNcu3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:
>
>This could be a way to require the team to throw away some toys
>it has (active suspension, traction control, launch system).
>I am a fan of both Prost and Hill, but I would like to bring 
>the Williams cars as well as their coming-up rivals down from
>clouds of insanity of $ expenditures.  It sure would make the
>racing closer!

Does anyone lse hope that they all just stop pissing around and FISA
lets Williams race with the same conditions as everyone else?

I know that I will not find the races as interesting if Williams are
artificially slowed down.
-- 
    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz           Work: 64 4 233 8186
 Technical Writer | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz     Home: 64 4 499 3832
   Wellington, NZ | Yes, I do have long ears, a black nose, and a tail.
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Phoenix correction
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:29:48 GMT

In article <C15v00.BHv@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>In article <1jjbm4INN832@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> keeper@deeptht.armory.com writes:
>>My guess about car #69 in 1988 Phoenix is Bernard Jourdain, in his first
>>oval race.
>>
>>But I'll still say `Bernard Jourdain' as the driver of that car.  I know
>
>Jourdain did not compete at Phoenix in 1988.  In 1989 he started 22nd
>and finished 19th.  But now let's look further in the standings.  B. Rahal
>started 5th and finished 18th.  Hmmmmm.


FYI from April 17, 1989 AutoWeek article on Phoenix CART race:

"Mears quickly fought back, and on lap 82 he was back ahead of [Michael
Andretti's] Lola.  Mears' timing was exquisite, for just three laps later
the caution flags were waving again as the result of Bobby Rahal and 
Bernard Jourdain having a disagreement over lines at Turn Four.  Both cars
ended up parked heavily against the wall, each man blaming the other for 
the incident."

Just give me time--I can eventually dig this stuff out!  (And it gives me
an excuse to save it all....)

--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Subject: Re: F1 driver list
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:17:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.172003.25872@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>They skip 13 because it's considered unlucky.  I don't know why they skip 18,
>unless it's to get back on odd-even car groups instead of even-odd, but
>that seems like a pretty lame reason.
>

This is FISA!!  Have you ever heard of a rational valid reason from them?!?!
-- 
Russell Jaslow         |Spec Racer #33 Finger Lakes Reg|NY RANGERS|My employer
Eastman Kodak Company  |In memorium: Andrew Spiller,   |and the   |has nothing
Rochester, New York    |Cynthia Bishop Halstead.  Keep |Cup! This |to do with
jaslow@bissun.kodak.com|the damn drunks off our roads! |year....  |my drivel.
From: trubik@hydra.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Request Info for PHX & LB IndyCar Races
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:51:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu


Hi all.

I'm thinking about attending either / both the Phoenix and 
Long Beach IndyCar (tm) events this year, and wondering 
about supporting events, who to call for tix, where's a
good place to eat (really), etc.  Please e-mail; if 
interest is sufficient I'll post a summary.

Thanks,

Steven

trubik@triton.unm.edu

"This one goes out to the one-eyed love," or something like
   that.

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From: gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green)
Subject: Re: Titanium
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:36:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.174719.13718@msc.cornell.edu> mike@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Mike Heisler,302 Thurston,57344,2571192) writes:

>Actually the Autocoast Ti-? ran in the Can-Am Series back in '70 or '71
>with a titanium tub I believe.  Great strength but hard to repair.
>
>Certainly some folks out there can fill in the details for us.
>-- 
>Mike Heisler		607-255-7344	    mike@msc.cornell.edu
>Materials Science Ctr.	302 Thurston Hall   Cornell Univ, Ithaca, NY 14853-1503

The Ti-22 ("Ti" is the atomic symbol for titanium, "22" is
the atomic number for titanium) indeed ran in the Can-Am in
that time period (not sure of the exact year(s)). I believe
that the tub and major suspension components were made of
titanium. As I recall, it was quite light and agile, but
was expensive, and needed more cubic $$$ for development.
It was, however, quite competetive out of the box, but these
were the days of major domination by McLaren. I believe
Jackie Oliver was the driver (or at least one of them).
The shape of the body was interesting, too. The sides of
the body were completely flat and vertical, and acted like
end-plates on a wing to direct airflow over the body.
I remember that it was a popular body for 1/24 scale slot cars.
I also believe it used the 454 cid Chevy that was de riguer
in those days. This is from memory, so excuse any errors.

Gerry Green
gerry@usl.com
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: NASCAR Newz
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:02:36 GMT

Tidbits:

* Bob Whitcomb Racing has permanently closed its doors
and Derrike Cope is searching for employment elsewhere

* Mike Hill has been named as crew chief for Hut 
Stricklin's McDonalds Ford

* Kyle Petty was fastest of Pontiac testing, hitting
about 190.4.  Insiders speculate that the pole speed
in February will be about 190.5.

* Coos Bay, Oregon has been gained NASCAR sanction,
the first since 1973 (1/3 mile).  A new GM has been
named, Bobby Walker, formerly track manager at a
track in Maine (can't remember the name right now).
An 11 race season has been set, including one Winston
West date, in 1993.

* NASCAR has increased the minimum rear spoiler angle
for the Daytona 500 from 35 to 40 degrees, which has
slowed the cars 2mph.

bob

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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:32:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.173546.17675@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:
>     1.  Why is John Winter's name always listed in quotes?  He usually races
>in IMSA-type endurance races.

"John Winter" is a pseudonym.  When he started running endurance
races, he did not want his family to find out.  This was a moot point
once he'd won Le Mans and had his picture published world-wide, but he
was already known by that name.

>     2.  Are Indycar V8's pushrod and how many valves per cylinder do they
>have?

The most common V8 design is 2.65 litres, turbocharged to 45" Hg
absolute (about 1.5 bar), dual overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder.
There used to be a two-valve pushrod formula up to 6 litres normally
aspirated, I think this was discontinued several years ago in the name
of cost reduction.  The two-valve pushrod V6 formula allows more turbo
boost, and I believe the displacement limit is 3.4 litres.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov


Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:13647 rec.backcountry:10440
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: ignorance of the sport
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:04:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

Bob Labont writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.153232.15063@bnr.ca> Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
>writes:
>>There's a discussion thread currently active in 
>>rec.backcountry that is so full of ignorance and
>>mis-information, that I had to let this group know
>>about it, hoping that someone calmer than I will
>>post to it and help educate some of these people.
>>It's called "re: the A-word", and was prompted by
>>someone who misquoted Hemmingway regarding
>>what is sport and what isn't, and the main concensus
>>seems to be that motor racing isn't a sport because
>>it's not physically demanding.

[Bob's commentary about his first hand experiences that auto racing
is physically demanding, deleted]

The way I understand it, Hemmingway's quote had nothing to do with
how physically demanding the activity is.  He said something to the
effect that "the only true sports are bull fighting, mountain climbing
and auto racing.  The rest are only games."  I am sure that
Hemmingway is not claiming marathon running and basketball are not
physically demanding.  The three sports he claimed to be the only
true sports are DANGEROUS.  Hemmingway was into macho things.  If
you life is not in danger then, to him, it is not a sport; it is
just a game.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:12:06 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Bowling in Daytona


     The annual Bowling in Daytona event will be held on Feb 7
  this year.  This will be the 2nd year I will be participating, I had
  real good time last year.  Many of the most known NASCAR stars and
  celebritys are there each year. Last year included Richard & Kyle Petty
  Ernie Irvan, Davey & Bobby Allison, Derrick Cope, Hut Stricklan etc...
  While chatting with the organizer of the event she was interested in this
  newsgroup and was interested in getting the word out on this event.
  It is a charity event, proceeds go to the Winston Cup Wives Auxilliary
  and the Daytona Beach Crippled Childrens Fund.  If you are going to be in
  Daytona for speedweeks and would be interested in participating relpy
  to mreed@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu and I will e-mail the phone number to call
  in Daytona to sign up. The cost is $30 per person to bowl 2 games with
  whomever you choose (some like Davey Allison are already full) and 3
  others. Each of the drivers is limited to 4 players per lane.  If you
  only wish to watch or get autographs the admission is only $5, but
  get there early as the event draws quite a crowd.  Things start Feb 7
  at 7pm, I got there at 5:30 last year and the line was long then.
  Participants enter through a different door before general admission
  doors are opened.  The event is held at LaPaloma lanes on
  S. Ridgewood Ave (US 1) in South Daytona. There were approx 50
  spots open when I talked to them last week so if interested you
  will want to act quickly.
                                            Mike - Orlando, FL
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: IndyCar drivers for 1993
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:01:21 GMT

From article <1993Jan27.113220.1@bbs.ug.eds.com>, by loosli@bbs.ug.eds.com:
> 
> King Motorsports has signed Jim Crawford and Al Unser to drive along side
> Roberto Guerrero at Indy.
> 
A bit of a minor surprise here.  In an interview in RACER #9, Big Al went on
about how happy he was to have already signed with John Menard's Buick team,
his first pre-month-of-May Indy deal in several years.  It'll be good to see
him there anyway, whether he's in a Budweiser car(Bud, Bud Light, and Bud Dry
perhaps?) or the Menard's Conseco car.  What the hell is Conseco anyhow?

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu




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From: deagtp@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David E. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Villeneuve,Atlantics
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: LORAL WDL
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:31:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.144343.21951@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com wrote:
> 
> >Jacques Jr will also contest
> >Japanese F3 races where he was last years champion.
> 
> I know Gilles' son is named Jacques, but does Jacques (Gilles' brother) also
> have a son named Jacques??
> 
This is Gilles' son, Jacques.  He drove in F3 in Japan last year and has
cut a major deal to run Atlantics this year. He will be paid a salary
larger than some Indy car drivers through Players from Canada.  He will not
be accepting any prize money though as terms of his contract. Players set
these terms since they are a major sponsor of the Atlantic series.  The
other Jacques V., Gilles brother, is talking about running Indy Lights or
PPG for '93.

See ya,
Dave A.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: pakar@jyu.fi (Petri A Karonen)
Subject: Hakkinen to McLaren
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:10:04 GMT

According to the motorsport news of the Finnish TV Mika Hakkinen has
signed a contract to drive for McLaren Team. If Ayrton Senna is not
satisfied with the new Ford-powered McLaren and decides not to drive
in F1 this year Mika is going to take his seat. And even if Senna
stays Mika still has a deal for the 94 season. So it should be certain
that Hakkinen will drive for McLaren, if not this year then next year.
The deal was first announced in the Italian Autosprint magazine last week
and it has been confirmed by various sources. McLaren is going to announce
the deal "in near future" (sounds familiar!).

I just hope that McLaren will still be competitive, it might be that this
year Lotus is fasr than McLaren! But hopefully Mika has made the right
move! It is also interesting to see who will be the no. 1 driver in
McLaren, in spite of his young age Mika has more experience of F1 than
Michael Andretti...

Pete
-- 
"Samuel Morse invented a code of telepathy."  -=Petri Karonen (pakar.jyu.fi)=-
"Louis Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbis."  -============================-
"Charles Darwin was a naturalist who wrote the Organ of the Species."
             -=(From a compilation of student bloopers by R. Lederer)=-
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Historical Question
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:05:02 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems
Originator: james@ignatz

I've been reading Doug Nye's great 2nd edition of his History of the
Grand Prix Car and I've noticed that, around 1974, privateers like Rob
Walker simply vanished from competition. No one seemed to buy
"customer" or "used" F1 cars from the big teams and run them themselves
anymore.

A quick scan through Nye's book doesn't throw any light on why. Anyone
know? Was this a rules change or did it just fall out of fashion? I'm
inclined to think some sort of rule change happened because of all of
the trouble Larousse had with purchased Lola chassis two or so years
ago. 

Mr Jones? Mr Burden? Mr Henry? Other net.historians?
-- 
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That men do not learn very much from history is the most important of all
the lessons that history has to teach.  - Aldous Huxley
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: IndyCars was(F1: No Williams in 93?)
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:58:12 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.165055.24588@cunews.carleton.ca>, marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski) writes:
|> >>> PS.  'Your Nige' must be laughing his head off!
|> >
|> >Chris Prael writes:
|> >>I reckon that he must be.  Especially since he and the Lola-Ford seem to
|> >>be settling into oval track work very comfortably!  On Track says that
|> >>he got within 0.4 sec of Michael's record at Phoenix before the weather
|> >>chased them under cover.
|> >
|> >Michael's record would have been set with a cobbled together car for the 
|> >new Ford motor.  The engine had only competed in one race before Phoenix.
|> >Also, Nigel gets to use a car that has a whole season's worth of development
|> >on it.  He did give credit to the crew for having a great set-up on the car.
|> >Let's see what happens when he gets the new car this week.  
|> >
|> 
|> >Rob U
|> 
|> I got it just now: 0.4 sec a lap on a 21 second lap is a lap down
|> every 50 laps or so which translates into 4 full laps down on
|> a 200 miles race!!!!!

Did you read the original post? Michael's time was a record. Nobody 
expects Mansell (or anybody else) to keep that up lap after lap. It 
was a good time which just indicates he has a good possibility of being 
a front runner on ovals. 

|> Just my 2c
|> 
|> Marcin

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Subject: Re: Team Tyrrell's successes (Was: F1 Hist
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:51:54 GMT

In article 23135@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com,
wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes, apropos Tyrrell
1971:

> Both the constructors and drivers championships in his first full season
> as a construcor.  Not too shabby!  Has any other entrant won either, or
> both, of the championships in their first year?

Discounting Farina / Alfa Romeo 1950 as a championship boundary artifact:

Mercedes Benz 1954
	(drivers only for Fangio; there *was* no maunfacturers
	championship before 1958, but if there had been Ferrari would
	have won it)

---
Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
	Any idiot can face a crisis; it is this day-to-day living
	that wears you out.
				- Chekhov
From: glenn@gla-aux.uucp (Glenn Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Motorsport computer games
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:17:33 PDT
Organization: The Pit Lane
Reply-To: glenn@gla-aux.uucp (Glenn Austin)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <107631@bu.edu> (rec.autos.sport), nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
> All the talk on the INDY 500 SIMULATION got me jealous :-)
> 
> Does anyone know of any good (as in REALISTIC) driving games that run on a
> Macintosh or Atari computer? How about on Nintendo or Super Nintendo?

On the Mac, I know of two road-racing games:  Ferrari Grand Prix (I have
version 1, haven't played with a later version); and Grand Prix Circuit
(still kind of runs under System 7.1!).

When I asked (an admittedly biased programmer) why there weren't more games
for the Mac, he stated that it was "too difficult" to write a game for the
Mac.  When asked how he got that impression, he tol#! rnews 988
d me that he had never
seen how to program a Mac, but that he had heard that it was more difficult.
When I asked if he would like to check out the difficulty (he agreed), I
showed him some REAL basic animation code (no real test for speed here).
He was shocked at how easy the Mac was to program graphics -- they had to
use libraries of pre-programmed stuff to do their animations -- and that
THIS was the primary problem -- there wasn't anyone they had access to who
could convert their library code (in 80x86 assembly) to the Macintosh. 
After finding out that most of their library code was already duplicated
in the Macintosh ROM, he was shocked.  Unfortunately, after talking to his
manager, his manager told him that "there wasn't a market for Mac games".
Hmmm.  Surprising that a "toy computer" didn't have too many games, but
the "serious computer" has tons...

* Glenn L. Austin
* Macintosh Wizard and Auto Racing Driver
* Usenet:  glenn@gla-aux.uucp or ...skinner!gla-aux!glenn
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