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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: interracial dating-black asian?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:39:12 GMT

In article <5918@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>However, in Japan, I've heard from a female friend who just returned from there
>that it's considered "cool" to date black men.  It must be all that
>MTV and the influence of Hammer and Bobby Brown, and so many women
							
I believe there is a japanese slang term for these women, 
which is "buraza-zoku".

>will date black men because they seem to be more stylish.  Of course,
>you can imagine that the Japanese men are not too happy about this.
>I've read in the Japan Times that some Japanese men have tried to
>mimic the look of black men.  They try to get as tan as possible, cut
>their hair like them, dress like them, and take dance lessons (no kidding!)
Ya, I have a friend who was a on exchange here from Japan. I
taught him how to be "down with the posse". :)
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:17:43 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
|Hate to say this, but if you compare China to the rest of the world,
|you'll find China one of the most non-racist countries in the world
|(that's including Africa)

By what means of comparison?  Simply counting the amount of racial
discrimination may not be terribly accurate, since the population of
racial and ethnic minorities is small (consider Japan).  Oppressive
governments can make race relations seem to be better than they are
by simply suppressing the expression of racial grievances (often while
leaving these grievances unsolved to explode later when the oppression
is removed -- consider the former USSR and Yugoslavia).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.001749.22338@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <67265@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> >...
> >I've got no statistics either way. Some Asians do abuse their spouses, but
> >there's not much evidence either way that it's any more or less than for
> >whites. The divorce rate for Asians is only half that for whites though.
> >Either it means Asian marriages are happier, or they're keeping it inside,
> >or both. Asians do have an extremely low rate of child abuse compared to
> >other races.
> 
> I beg to differ.  This last statement depends on the cultural group
> of the Asians; Chinese-cu have a much greater predilection for child
> abuse than other Asians-cu.
> 
> If child abuse laws were more effectively enforced, a lot more Chinese-cu
> parents would be going to jail, and a lot more Chinese-cu children would
> be helped.  Alas, the idiotic and totally untrue "model minority" myth,
> which has been promoted by certain Chinese-(cu-)Americans, has convinced
> a lot of people to turn a blind eye to reality.

     I see you, Dwight, have no statistics either.

     Child abuse is actively enforced here in the US.  Due to the
publicity some cases have received (including at least one case in which
a teacher failed to report obvious signs of child abuse) teachers,
hospital emergency room personnel, etc., do watch for signs of child
abuse.

     There are plenty of Chinese-cu Stateside, especially here in the
San Francisco Bay Area.  Yet, I don't recall any indication Chinese-cu
parents are going to jail for child abuse more often than American-cu
parents.

						George


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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is TOEFL sufficient for college?
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:53:46 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Ieppe=S00iUyE2eXQX@andrew.cmu.edu> ct2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Canh Hoang Tran) writes:
>apply to univeristies, colleges..., he has practiced for the SAT test.
>Self-practicing, his math score is about 700-760, and his verbal score
>is about 300 (in the SAT score range of 200-800). I tried to explain to

Typical..

>him that what he really needed to practice was math in SAT test, math
>and science in the Achievement test, and the TOEFL test instead of the
>verbal part in the SAT test. But he said that he never heard of it (of

Right, as long as his verbal is not 200, TOEFL would be enough to cover
up his poor english skills.. A friend of mine got 350 on his verbal,
730 on math, 600 on verbal.. He got rejected by MIT, but he did get into
SUNY Buffalo :)

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,talk.politics.misc
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Western Culture suck Shit!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.142118.90310@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>...
>Sure, there are still problems here.  There are still some people who
>are bigotted/prejudiced/ignorant; but isn't this the case everwhere?
>IMHO Australia is one of the more tolerant countries in the world,
>both in the government legislation and the people themselves. 
>...

Australia is considered one of the most anti-homosexual countries
in the West.  There are explicit laws banning homosexualitiy.

I'm sure that Mr. Lowe will correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem
to recall _national_ anti-homosexual laws.  That would be akin to
Congress passing a statute banning homosexuality in the USA.

Australia also has very high import tariffs.  This little tidbit comes
from an Australian himself.

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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:23:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

In article <MDAY.92Oct7175317@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>shifted, so that a tan was a sign of sufficient wealth and leisure to
>lie around in the sun.  It's not the color itself that matters (so
>naturally-dark people aren't idealized), it's what the color change
>implies.

So what you're actually saying is:
one is natural born while the other is hard earned

>--Mark Day
>mday@lcs.mit.edu

I don't know what your race is but from what I can tell about your intelligence
you should be very grateful of the quota-system used by admissions officers
(BTW, if you're as smart as you pretend to be, why don't you post your scores?)

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:57:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.133955.24993@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu
Ayala) writes:
>...
>  And one very American-cu named Dwight insists that I am Chinese-cu
>  when I have hardly any knowledge of those Chinese customs and
>  traditions that you Americans seem to want to ask me about!
>  Ancestor worship, foot-binding, major religion, festivals and
>  Chinese New Year.
>...

I'm certainly willing to apologize if, in fact, Ms. Ayala is not Chinese-cu.
I don't want to falsely accuse anyone of being a Nazi, redneck, or Chinese-cu.

However, my judgement is based on her tone and line of reasoning.  For
example, earlier in the year, Ms. Ayala insisted that she would expose
her son to Chinese-cu culture for no other reason than the fact that his
mommy is Chinese-ge.  This sort of reasoning is typically Chinese-cu.

Further, I have yet to see Ms. Ayala criticize Chinese-cu Chinese-ge
for making the same assumptions that some rednecks make about Ms. Ayala
simply because Ms. Ayala is Chinese-ge.  Specifically, both rednecks
and Chinese-cu Chinese-ge assume that because she is Chinese-ge, she
is expected to know and live Chinese-cu culture.

For example, they think that a Japanese-(ge-)American will do the
Japanese-cu "thing" simply because she is Japanese-ge.  Chinese-cu
Chinese-ge think that criticizing the Chinese-cu culture is racist
because they think that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge (i.e. Chinese think
that culture is determined by the genes and is thus indistinguishable).
This bigotted view of the world is regrettable.  Mr. Wilbur Pan
(u58402@uicvm.uic.edu) is an example of one who holds this view.

(As a reminder, this newsgroup is soc.culture.asian.AMERICAN, which
is about Asian-AMERICAN issues.)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:03:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Oct5.165954.7217@u.washington.edu>, gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
|> In article <92277.223633ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> >In <1992Sep30.220727.25293@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
|> >ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
|> >It will take A LOT OF guts and GREAT courages for a CF to marry an AM
|> >(to make love is another matter),
|> 
|> 	That depends where; this is a lot less so on the West Coast and
|> Hawaii than elsewhere.
|> 
|> > B). People who have the ``inferiority complex'' about their own race
|> >     and just want to marry into the mainstream.
|> 
|> 	Normally, I have a hard time accepting that this sentiment still
|> exists in these "enlightened" times, but given the frequency of the term
|> "Asian American men are scum" that I overhear from Asian females, I'm not
|> so sure nowadays.....

Actually, I have never heard an Asian female say, "Asian American men are scum."
However, I have heard them say that Asian men are scum.  One in particular
said she would never date or marry a man of her culture.

She is not
American or Chinese in case this one netter wanted to use this post to
fuel his personal crusade.  In her culture women are treated very poorly
by men.  In fact, if a man wants to marry a particular woman it is
acceptable to kidnap her if she is not willing.  I have been told that the
mother of the woman has three days to nulify the "wedding" by telling
the "groom" to bow down and hit him in the head with a stick.
Some of this is still being practiced by immigrants in the US.

I helped to deter one "wedding" a few years ago.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9597 soc.culture.japan:8871
From: gt7131a@prism.gatech.EDU (Paul Joseph Panaro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:40:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


In article <Oct.8.13.51.51.1992.1703@soliton.rutgers.edu> zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
>I am not sure if it is appropriate to post this here, but I'll give it 
>a try. I am from mainland China and I know a lot of people from mainland
>China and Taiwan. Naturally mainland Chinese and Taiwanese date americans
>when they are here. Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can 
>get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
>who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. No offense to anyone
>here, just my observation. 
>ZZZ


   I was an undergraduate at Rutgers and I have no idea what you are
talking about.  Most of the Native borns that only dated other Native
borns did so because they only communicated with other Native born
Chinese/Taiwanese.  The students that did choose to communicate with
the entire student body dated a wide range of students.  Of the girls
from China/Taiwan that "could get chinese dates", how many of them
communicated with everyone?  If you are just going to stay in your own
little group then you could have just stayed home and been a video
student.  There are a lot of interesting people out there.  Maybe you
should try and meet a few.

						-Paul

Just to ZZZ:
  If you just want to cause trouble then then go to downtown New
Brunswick and start yelling racial slurs.  There are enough problems
out there with out you making up some.



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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9517 soc.culture.europe:8852 soc.culture.usa:7706
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Blame that Asian!
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:37:15 GMT
Organization: UB


Isn't it amazing how many times in history Europeans have insulted each
other by calling them Asian names?? For instance, the Germans were often
referred to as "HUNS" by the British, and the Russians as "MONGOL half-wits."
While it is obvious that both "Asian names" were meant as insults, it should
also be noted that the real Huns/Mongols originated around Mongolia and
northern China (Inner Mongolia) and that they have little blood-ties, if any,
with the natives of Germany and Russia

Onto my next point; even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?
Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?

Not very pleased,
NW
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9456 soc.culture.asean:6767 soc.culture.korean:4645
From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:31:12 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <1992Oct2.205805.21344@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
> [Stuff deleted]
> 
> Ms. Chin-ning Chu, who is widely respected by Westerners-cu for her
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry to be ignorant but who is this person ?

> understanding of the Chinese-cu mindgame, asserted quite explicitly
> that "whipping with a belt" or equivalent is everyday ordinary
> behavior in Chinese-cu society.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Dougie Howser, Quincy
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:26:25 GMT

In article 67390@cup.portal.com, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com () writes:
>|Chris Wa of microsoft says Quincy was based on a controversial Asian Am
>|and Dougie Howser was based on an AsIndian boy. Anybody else got any other
>|leads on this?
>|
>|respond to arthur@rad.com


Quincy was based on the story of the LA medical examiner, who is of Japanese ancestry. 
He has been in the middle of a lot of controversy because he was the medical examiner 
in quite a few sensational deaths, due to the location of his jurisdiction.  John
Belushi, Marilyn Monroe, etc.  I forget his name.

As for Doogie Howser, I thought Steven Bochco created the series based on the life
of his father, who was one of these whiz kids.

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:03:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct9.170303.7245
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct9.152926.16509@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>I don't know, I would not want to see any more scumbags out there living off of the 
>lives of productive people.  Interesting fact:  the US has 4% of the world's
>population, 18% of the world's wealth ( No, I don't know where they got that.)
>and 50 % of the world's lawyers.  Hmmmmmmm.

	Oh, really?

	Care to document that?  They tried to on misc.legal, but nobody
could find a reference....


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao)
Subject: Re: Readership hype was Re: S.C.A.A. Read
Reply-To: sedayao@chopin.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:37:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.051615.20198@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
> I think the worldwide readership figures are overblown,
> simply because there aren't a lot of people outside the
> United States who even know Asian-Americans exist, let
> alone give a flip about their concerns and issues.
> And thus far I have yet to locate *one* Asian-American
> expat.  It'll be lonely out there (again) in February,
> when I move to London....

I once received a letter regarding one of my posts from an Asian-American
expat in Japan.  I have known a number of Asian-American expats.  Andy Shaw
was an expat for a while, but I don't know if he had access to news.

> So I figure the readership figure is much closer to 1200
> than 55,000.  Much much closer.

> >sigh<
> -- 
> Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
> achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
>                 * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

-- 
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Intel Corporation
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (an-sing chen)
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:29:13 GMT

In article <lcf8skINNcnu@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:

>
> You would not say that bears in the
>
> North Pole are smarter than North American bears, or that African
>                                                           ^^^^^^^   
> elephants remember better than Chinese (Indian) elephants, just because they
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> have different ear sizes!
>


Unfortunately, most animal trainers would tend to agree that the 
Indian elephants are far easier to train than the wild African elephants.

Thus, indicating that Indian elephants are genetically "smarter"
than the African elephants.

Sure, you may be able to find a few extreme examples of "smart" African
elephants that could be taught some tricks, but statistically speaking,
the Indian elephants are much easier trained.
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:15:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.191353.4739@dscomsf.desy.de> Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de writes:
>In article <Bw51IL.2EG@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, 
>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>|>In article <1992Oct13.222832.19424@morrow.stanford.edu>
>|>berne@nova1.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:
>|>>In article <1992Oct13.205627.17007@news.Hawaii.Edu>
>|>gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:
>|>>>A similar racially-inspired adjective comes to mind: slovenly.  Now
>|>>Guess that answer the question "why are they held as barbarians".
>|>                                 *******************************
>|>Those mogol "barbarians" brought to Europe a magic staff, invented by
>|>Chinese,
>|>GUN POWER! Without which is unconceivable that europeans could colonized 
>|>most of the world.
>
>While it is true that the Chinese had used black powder for a couple of 
>centuries before it became known to the Europeans, and sometimes in military
>applications, it is fairly obvious that the Mongols didn't bring it to
>Europe. Black Powder and gunnery started up in Europe in the late 14th 
>century while the Mongol incursions into Europe took place in the early 13th.
>
>There a varied accounts on how that knowledge was developed, or, if You will,
>redeveloped, and one centers around the German monk Berthold Schwarz from
>the town of Freiburg around 1350. This had something to do with the rise of
>the science of alchemy in Europe at a time when it started to stagnate in
>the Islame world, where it first was developed.
>
>       Till Poser         Internet: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
>-F35- ZEUS DESY/Freiburg  Bitnet:   POSER@DESYVAX
>bldg.1b-235, Notkestr.85  Hepnet:   VXDESY::POSER (13313::Poser)
>   D-2000 Hamburg 52      Tel.: -49-40-8998-2004
Were Mongols using Gun Power as smoky bomb, and using cannon on horse back,
during the conquest?
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:50:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct16.165043.1876
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

<U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>It is obvious that being of Chinese descent -- I will not use Mr. Joe's
>-ge/-cu terminology because I feel that it only obscures the issue;
>there are perfectly good English constructs we all can use.
>Let's start again.

>Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu

I agree with this -- I feel vaguely disturbed by the
-ge/-cu terminology. It feels the way I imagine "Jap" might
have sounded, BEFORE it became an insult.

-Larry Watanabe 	watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu