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From: mattho@heifer.lbl.gov (Matt Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Neither U-lock nor COBRA lock would have done any good.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:57:52 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: mattho@heifer.lbl.gov (Matt Ho)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.96

My motorcycle was stolen yesterday from my garage. I had a U-lock on and the
handle bar locked to one side. The bike, 90 CBR600, weighed ~450 lbs and the
thieves simply dragged it out into the open then loaded it up into a truck
and drove away. You can see drag marks all over the garage. No sign of atempt
to cut the U-lock. They left the lock on the bike and dealt with it later.
The only thing that would have slowed them down was to lock my bike to 
something permanent. Since my apt. complex garage wall is all concrete, there
was nothing to lock it to. Even if I had the COBRA lock on, the thieves would
have done the same thing to steal my bike. So my conclusion is neither U-lock 
nor COBRA lock would have done me any good. 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Definitive HD TV/Vid Authorized Collec
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:36:19 GMT

I saw this article subject line and thought it was about High
Definition Television (HDTV).

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: BeerSizeWars (was Re: Diet Coke, Official drink of DoD)
Originator: ben@soliton
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:36:00 GMT


In the interest of starting a good flamewar while my bike is in the
shop, I said:

> I can tell you right now on which side of the pond the better beer is made.
>
> And, unfortunately, it ain't the side I'm currently on...

So young@mars.dgrc.doc.ca replies:
> Hey, speak for your *own* part of North America.
>
> Not all DoD'ers on this side of the pond drink Bud or Miller you know.
> Some of us guzzle an occasional frosty Upper Canada Lager or a Mooshead
> or a Bra d'Or or...

<nomex longjohns on:>

I've never had a brew produced west of Ireland that was even in the
same _league_ as Guinness, McEwan's or MacAndrew's.

Except, of course, my own stuff, and that of my roommates...  :) :)

(Moosehead?!?  MOOSEHEAD?!?  Ptah.  Ought to pour it back in the moose.)
(When I think of Canadian beer, I think of Molson and Moosehead, and
the thoughts aren't pleasant...)

And tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) comments:
> [...]                   However one swallow does not make a summer and _in 
> general_ American beer is far, far inferior to anything the UK can offer. 

This, of course, is what I meant.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: friedman@cgl.ucsf.edu (Simon friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Mechanism of brake hydraulics
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:43:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF
Originator: friedman@socrates.ucsf.edu

Hello all,
     I have what is probably a simple question to experienced people but is 
confusing me:  It concerns the hydraulic braking system.  I recently changed
my brake pads and the manual I used said in order to make room for the new
material, compress the caliper piston and allow the extra brake fluid to drain
from the bleed valve.  Then tighten the valve to keep the piston in the 
compressed (open) position so that it will fit over the new (fatter) brake
pads.  This makes sence to me so far.  You've got a closed (air-tight) system
that keeps the piston in the position it was when you closed the valve.  The
manual then goes on to say that to adjust to the new pad position, pump the 
brake several times to expand the piston.  This makes sence to me only if there
is some sort of one way valve that allows the hand lever piston (or whatever
its called) to introduce more brake fluid into the line, but doesn't allow it
to return.  If it did allow it to return, one would never advance the piston
anywhere, it would just go back and forth.  My confusion is this:  If the 
hand lever can pump more fluid into the line to advance the piston to the new
pad position and prevent back flow, why doesn't the piston just get permanantly
jammed against the brake pad thereby producing constant braking? 
Or is my assumption about the pumping action way off?

If anyone could explain this to me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Simon
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Aerostitch Questions
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:01:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 21452@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>>
>i'M SORT OF IMPRESSED WITH MY NEW aERO ). It is not optimum
>for anything, but is second best at everything. 

This strikes me as an apt description of BMW R bikes.  That is not
meant as an insult, I am serious.  They are not optimum touring nor
dirt nor sports machines, but make a reasonable showing in all
categories.

Comments?

---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: jbm@hal.com (Brad Might)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: cbr600f2 vapor lock ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:32:23 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: infinity.hal.com
In-reply-to: jbm@hal.com's message of 26 Jan 93 10:24:18

>>>>> On 26 Jan 93 10:24:18, jbm@hal.com (Brad Might) said:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: infinity.hal.com


> My new cbr600f2 has starting problems. Some mornings it will start up and
> idle for a while and then just die. After that it usually can't be started
> for a day or two. It is just like starting it without turning the gas on.
> It idles then gets weak then dies.

> Sound familiar to anyone ?

> thanks,

> brad


> --
> -- standard disclaimers apply --
> jbm@hal.com (Brad Might)      
> HAL Computer Systems - (512)794-2855
> 8920 Business Park Drive Suite 300 Austin, Tx 78759
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Mechanism of brake hydraulics
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:59:26 GMT

In article <C1I5H7.Cup@cgl.ucsf.edu> friedman@cgl.ucsf.edu (Simon friedman) writes:
>Hello all,
>     I have what is probably a simple question to experienced people but is 
>confusing me:  It concerns the hydraulic braking system.  I recently changed
...
>manual then goes on to say that to adjust to the new pad position, pump the 
>brake several times to expand the piston.  This makes sence to me only if there
>is some sort of one way valve that allows the hand lever piston (or whatever
>its called) to introduce more brake fluid into the line, but doesn't allow it
>to return.  If it did allow it to return, one would never advance the piston
>anywhere, it would just go back and forth.

Good intuition so far...

> My confusion is this:  If the 
>hand lever can pump more fluid into the line to advance the piston to the new
>pad position and prevent back flow, why doesn't the piston just get permanantly
>jammed against the brake pad thereby producing constant braking? 
>Or is my assumption about the pumping action way off?

You've got it essentially correct, though when the lever is fully released,
the line should be open to the master cylinder to relieve pressure due
to temperature changes (or overheating at the slave cylinder).
The thing you're forgetting, which prevents the pistons from fully retracting
on their own, is that seal friction prevents them from backing off.
And, just to confuse things, the mechanism that backs the pistons off
slightly when pressure is released is flex in the seals (which again works
because of friction between the seals and pistons).  In other words, when
braking, the piston seals are slightly deformed, and when pressure is released
and they return to normal, the pistons retract a bit.

Thanks for the information go to the shop manual for the '72 Capri, where
I cut my teeth on disk brakes.  ("You wanna use my car?  You make the
brakes work so it's safe!"  I think my Dad worked this one out with my
Mom - she figured I couldn't do it, and he knew I would...  Thanks, Dad!)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Diet Coke, Official drink of DoD
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:25:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1993Jan27.192502.6188
Organization: AT&T

In article <728152631snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>Not even comparable! That's not to say that they don't brew decent beer in 
>the USA, just not _much_. The San Francisco Anchor 'Steam' Beer is quite 
>good, although generally served too fizzy. There is a _magnificent_ bottled 
>beer brewed in Cambridge MD, called 'Wild Goose', and the 'Brooklyn Lager' 
>isn't too dusty either. However one swallow does not make a summer and _in 
>general_ American beer is far, far inferior to anything the UK can offer. 
>
>That also is not to say that we can't produce rubbish. Watneys Red Barrel for 
>example. We're also in danger of being swamped by imitations of foreign brews 
>which are, if anything, worse than the original, if that's possible. An 
>example that comes to mind is the 'brewed under licence' Miller Lite. It's 
>not even fit for washing out carburetters.

That can't be an imitation because your describing the original.
 
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 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Nationalized Lawyers  was Re: Ignore what it was
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:12:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.135630.4790@bnr.uk> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:

>LISTEN!  YOU SHIT-FOR-BRAINS LITTLE DWEEB!  NEXT TIME YOU GET TURNED AWAY FROM
>A HOSPITAL FOR NOT HAVING PAID YOUR INSURANCE AND ARE LEFT TO DIE IN THE GUTTER
>BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A TOSS ABOUT EACH OTHER IN YOUR PATHETIC EXCUSE OF AN
>EXPERIMENTAL COUNTRY, PONDER A WHILE ABOUT THE MARVELS OF A NATIONAL HEALTH
>SERVICE!  Over here, you can pay for additional services which amount to queue
>jumping and a telly in your room, if you really want to.  Nobody stops you
>from doing what you will with your money.  The frightening thing is countries
>like yours where everything is treated as a business and you are nothing more
>than a profit for someone else.  If you become a liability then God Bless You
>because nobody is going to want to look after you.
>
>Our postal service is the envy of most countries.  91% (?) of first class
>letters are delivered by the following day, even from Cornwall to the 
>Highlands of Scotland.  Posting abroad is a joke because other countries postal
>services are so bad...
>
>I don't know where the "fecal matter" comes into any of this, except to
>describe the brains required to post such an article as you did.
>
>Get back to your work, Mr Pariah.
>
>
>Nick (the British Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford  
>
>M'Lud.

Without getting into the "our country vs your country" thing, the problem
is not that us "capitalists" are only out to get a profit.  Compassion
is one of the greatest things in the world but YOU CAN NOT LEGISLATE IT.
If I decide to help a cause, then I'll take it in as my own and work like
hell to make it successful (ex: helping others get proper care, etc).  In
such a situation, I don't want help or money taken from those who are not
sympathetic to my cause.  At the same time, I don't want my resources 
taken away to help other causes when I have my own battles to fight.

Again, however, you have made the same mistakes others have made.  Just because
something is GOOD (ex: everyone has medical care), does not mean you have
the right to make it the law.  Just because you value everyone's life doesn't
give you the right to take from me to fund your projects.  Also, you have to
consider the effects of rampant taxation on people.  I am willing to work
hard because it gives me needed money.  Money is vote power.  I vote which
charities, stores, etc I think should survive by using my money.  Take away
my vote and I'm a lot less likely to be a hard worker.  Also, I'm more
likely to responsibly cast my vote than ANY gubment (Mercun, 'NGLUSH, etc).


Best Regards
Jack Waters II

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~ Make no Mistake, I am the Red Fishnet.         ~
~                                DoD#1919        ~
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Norton Commander
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:48:03 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Chuck Stringer) writes:

> <TLT101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> | Got a question as to value, My friend told me a guy has a 1970 model,
> | think its a 750. he might be interested in selling it, Supposedly in
> | good shape.  What is a good price for one and how are they for riding??
> 
> 
> Not much of a machine, British and all that. Maybe worth a $100 or so.
> Tell you what, I need a large paperweight, I could give $110 for it.
> 

A large, OILY paperweight. Gotta remember those truth in advertising 
laws, ya know....


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | Why do Englishmen drink warm beer?
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | They all have Lucas refrigerators.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:49:27 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article 9353@gdr.bath.ac.uk,  bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
>>
>>OH MY GOD!  What will I do now?!?!  Some guy named Stickland in England
>>doesn't think much of us Americans because two of us don't ride fast
>>enough!  Oh Calamity!
>>
>>David.
>
>Well, you get the award for total miscomprehension of that post.

Now who's miscomprehending?

David.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: New Guppie in pond wants BMW info.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:59:03 GMT

kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory) writes:

>You might wish to reconsider the BMW choice. They're wonderful bikes, and will
>last forever if properly cared-for, but parts are expensive and can be hard to
>find. This can be summed up in an experience my friend and I had last summer,
>in the hills of West Virginia: At a rest stop, we were talking to some locals;
>one looked at my friend's Honda, and commented on how he had had several, and
>how much he liked them. Another looked at my boxer, and said "I didn't think
>BMW made motorcycles." The next day, we arrived at our destination - him with
>a nail in his tire, me with a broken turn-signal switch. He was able to get
>the tire patched that afternoon, I had to wait three days for a new switch to
>be shipped to me.

seems to me that if you had had a nail in your tire, you would have
had no problem having it patched, but there's no guarantee that they
would have had a turn signal switch for *any* motorcycle.  you seem to
suggest that honda parts would have been easier to find in WV, but the
evidence you give is for patching a honda tire, which is no more
difficult than patching a bmw tire.

-- 
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: DoD'ers in Austin, TX?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:54:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

Hey DoD! Ennybuddy in the Austin, TX area feel like giving a shivering
Yankee a chance to see what it's like to ride this time of year without
having to put long underwear on first?

I'll be in Austin Tues & Wed of next week (2&3 Feb), leaving Thursday
morning. Even benchracing would be cool!

                tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rising Insurance Charges versus decreasing Accident Rate (U.K)
Keywords: insurance, accidents
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:50:33 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <mjs.727995833@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>
>Last weeks U.K. Motorcycle News carried a story about how the
>number of motorcycle deaths in this country had virtually halved
>over the last five years, making motorcyclists the only group
>of road-users to have met the governments targets for reducing
>deaths on the road - only the targets were intended to be achieved
>in something like five years time.
>
>What I want to know is this - why, when the number of deaths is dropping,
>and also presumably the accident rate, is the cost of motorcycle insurance
>going through the roof?? Are insurance companies making fortunes out
>of us?? Were we getting our insurance on the cheap before?? Is it the cost
>of all the plastic fairings on our racer-reps that we are paying for??
>Is it the increasing numbers of machines being stolen?? 
>
>Anyone out there got any answers??

Well, unformtunately, the figures mean nothing without some indication
of how many miles were travelled on motorcycles. If travel by bike
halved in the last five years, as well as the death rate - then so
what?

Mind you, being a dumb government, they don't care *how* they get the
death rate down, whether its by discouragement (multiple driving tests
for bikes, etc) or by training. I guess they probably feel good -
silly f*ckers.

In terms of insurance, I suspect the rates are rather more linked to
theft than death nowadays. When bike manufacturers come up with
reasonable deterrents, then maybe the insurance will go down. However,
adding that deterrent cost the manufacturer money, so the bike price
goes up, so your insurance rises......
Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"I just need enough to tide me over until I need more."		- Bill Hoest
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: Its off to the basement we go
Organization: Starved Photo-Linux Hackers Association
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:40:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.165754.6425@bnr.uk> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:

 >>   I once did this with my RD350B.  I went down backwards, using the brakes.  I
 >>   had my girl/wife/divorcee-friend help me from falling sideways, she stood 
 >>   behind and a bit to one side.
 >>
 >>   Getting back up was a problem.  We ended up using a rope and a car.  Figure the
 >>   configuration out yourself...

I had a friend who had another friend pull his bike with a rope behind
a car.  They were working on that GS550E all day.  I think the 2 of 
them finished off a case in 2 hours.  Well anyway, they were pretty trashed
and the guy driving the car did not realize that the other guy was to
drunk to keep the bike up.  The bike fell over and car driver kept going
for several hundred feet.  

I only laughed for a minute or two.  
Just thought I would add my car,rope and bike story even though it does not
have much to do with the subject.  Probably one of those, you had to
be there things, but when I think about it I still chuckle.
--





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From: jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan)
Subject: Re:      AAA and motorcycles...NOT!!!
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:58:40 GMT

From article <1993Jan27.173715.13397@fuug.fi>, by an4929@anon.penet.fi (gonzo):
> I had always suspected that AAA would not deal with motorcycles, but

Unfortunately, it depends on what part of the U.S. you live in. In
Colorado, you can pay extra for "AAA Plus". This includes flatbed trucks
and motorcycle towing. The standard AAA service does not cover this.
However, AAA Plus wasn't even available as an option in Ohio, and I
only discovered it in Colorado because my lovely and talented spousal unit,
who (thank ghod) is always looking out for me, brought it to my
attention when she moved our AAA membership.

Caveat: I`ve yet to have to use AAA Plus service, so when I do, I might
well get the same story the original poster heard.

You might check out AMA membership services, and also brand specific
services, e.g. BMW and H-D both may offer extra-cost AAA-like towing
services.

--
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