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From: larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Ferrer vs. Barnes & Barnes
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:02:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Regarding Miguel Ferrer's role in Barnes and Barnes...

I pulled out my copy of the 1991 B&B release, "Loozanteen", on Rhino records,
and find the clear statement:

"Barnes & Barnes are Robert Haimer and Bill Mumy"

Also, almost all song writing is credited to Art & Artie Barnes, and Haimer
is clearly identified as "Artie" and Mumy as "Art".  So Miguel doesn't
appear to be an integral part of B&B after all.

However, looking back at a Best Of B&B CD, "Zabagabee", also on Rhino, one
finds that all but two of the songs were again by Art & Artie Barnes.  The
exceptions are "What's New Pussycat?" by Burt Bacharach and Hal David:-)
and "Pussy Whipped" by Barnes, Barnes, Jolliffe, and Ferrer!  So it may
indeed be the case that Miguel had *something* to do with these guys.  But
it's pretty clear that he isn't one of the two main "Barnes".

For what it's worth.
-- 
-larryy@apple.com

"Shi Nou Kou Sho Inu Neko Programmer"  -  Takada Naoki
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: What happened to On The Air?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:52:00 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS
Keywords: cancelled?

Here in Toronto we get On The Air the Wednesday before it airs
on ABC on the Saturday.  On both days it has been cancelled 3 weeks
in row. On the CBC they replaced it with Doogie Howser or something
like it.  On ABC they replaced it with the Aids Benefit and then
Miss America.

Ok, the Aids Benefit is a good reason to pre-empt a show, but the
others???????????????????????????????

ferenc
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The ending of Twin Peaks and Windom Earle-possessed?
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:32:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <29JUL92.14271710@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>In a previous article, 9207987h@levels.unisa.edu.au wrote:
>>From much of my reading of alt.tv.twin-peaks, I've gathered that the
>>series was `cancelled' due to lagging interest and not the fact that the
>>writers/producers wanted to end the series.
 
>>Does this mean the writers had planned to continue the story on from
>>Cooper's `possession' in the final episode, or did they know in advance
>>that this was to be the final one so they left it here on purpose??

>I believe Lynch/Frost had plenty of warning that Twin Peaks was being canned 
>by ABC.  ABC was nice enough to give them two hours to "finish" the series.  
>Considering several key characters were knocked off during that last episode, 
>seems to me the entire two hours was written to be "the end".  The possession 
>of Cooper is even more exciting than killing him off.

No no no no no.  Once again -- the final episode was a CLIFFHANGER.  It
was the last two regular episodes of the season edited together and was
NOT intended as an absolute finale to the series.  True, Lynch and Frost
were getting vibes that the show was going to be dumped, but they were
already making plans for format changes for the next season that would
boost ratings.  Lynch is even still talking about a sequel movie if FWWM
does well enough.  The final episode was not the end.  The town lives on.

Sorry to rant, but I thought this had been settled a long time back.

>>Another question: Someone mentioned that Windom Earle was possessed by
>>Bob at some stage - was this so? Or did Windom just go crazy after the
>>`shooting of Cooper's old girlfriend' saga?

>I don't think Earle was possessed by Bob.  Just nuts.  He seemed to "know" 
>about Bob and/or the Black Lodge, but I think he learned that through his own 
>investigations (ie the cave).  

Spoiler for Coop's "autobiography":

The book "My Life, My Tapes" implies that Windom was taken by the Black
Lodge before the Caroline incident, and that he destroyed Caroline in a
manner similar to Leland's destruction of Laura.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: What happened to On The Air?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:56:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.195200.9074@intacc.uucp>, zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes...

} Here in Toronto we get On The Air the Wednesday before it airs on ABC
} on the Saturday. On both days it has been cancelled 3 weeks in row. On
} the CBC they replaced it with Doogie Howser or something like it. On
} ABC they replaced it with the Aids Benefit and then Miss America.

} Ok, the Aids Benefit is a good reason to pre-empt a show, but the
} others???????????????????????????????

The ratings for the show were abysmal, and the general reaction to it has
been poor, so undoubtedly ABC decided to yank it.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Angelo in Barcelona
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.012223.2191@bohra.cpg.oz.au>, davids@bohra.cpg.oz.au (David Schulz) writes:

> Did everyone catch Angelo Badalamenti (sp?) conducting the orchestra
> at the opening ceremony in Barcelona?

Yes!  (sp is ok)

> Does anyone know when (if) FWWM will be released in Australia??

Try Oct/Nov 92 (latest info from Hoyts)
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Fire Walk With Me Script
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:18:39 GMT

M Maxwell writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.171414.12561@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sdang@nyx.cs.du.edu
> (Steve Dang) writes:
> >
> >Some time ago (around middle of June, I think) someone posted the entire
> >script to "Fire Walk With Me" on Prodigy.  Did anyone happen to capture
> >it?  I only heard about this after-the-fact, and it has since been deleted
> >from the Arts club (under topic: movies) on Prodigy.
> > 
> >If so, has it ever been posted here?  I'm very interested in obtaining a
> >copy of the script, if anyone does have it.
> > 
> >Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> Yeah, me too!
> -------------------
> Matt Maxwell
> mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
> 
> Hey you kids!  Don't touch that, it's ART! 
> 


Someone posted a summery of the script here, but it wasn't complete.
Still, it's fun reading.  Don't know who posted it or where it's
available, though...
From: bluegold@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: HELP!  Want to travel to TP sites in Washington!
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:22:51 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Hello all!

I find myself going to the Seattle area at the end of August. Could someone
please post or mail me info on traveling out to North Bend and some of the
other locations that were used in the show.  I remember some of ya had posted
your travels to the sites and also posted what you were able to find.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!



Cheers!


Don Kasprzak




Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: sdang@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steve Dang)
Subject: Fire Walk With Me Script
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:14:14 GMT


Some time ago (around middle of June, I think) someone posted the entire
script to "Fire Walk With Me" on Prodigy.  Did anyone happen to capture
it?  I only heard about this after-the-fact, and it has since been deleted
from the Arts club (under topic: movies) on Prodigy.
 
If so, has it ever been posted here?  I'm very interested in obtaining a
copy of the script, if anyone does have it.
 
Thanks.


Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: that limo/nazi episode...
Reply-To: acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:45:25 GMT


In article <1992Jul21.064939.20363@leland.Stanford.EDU>, soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee) writes:
>when the show broke away to the "live special report" i got really
>angry until i realized it was part of the episode.  then i started
>laughing hysterically.  they really got me.  the biggest fool in the
>history of tv viewing...


Me too, It was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: The Dumb Guy Cliche
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:32:12 GMT
Organization: Loose Affiliation of Millionaires and Billionaires and Baby

David C Valenzuela writes:
>Has anyone else seen the pattern developing in American tv comedy. I was 
>looking at some of my favorite shows and saw a pattern.
>
 [list of sitcoms & characters deleted]

>
>All of these shows have one common thing, they have an eccentric character that
>makes the show extra hysterical. Maybe it says something about me, I like the
>dumb guys and their humor. Or maybe its a commentary on american tv? I dunno...
>

They are called 2nd bannanas. And using them in comedy is older than
spit. No need to worry about the downfall of American TV sitcoms.      
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Older than before.
From: busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I. Busuioc)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Last night's episode
Keywords: Kramer
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:53:11 GMT
Organization: UB

fams09@v7.vitro.com writes (about the nose job episode):
> After she gets her nose fixed she says
>something like "I went to Sid's doctor" while standing next to Kramer. Kramer
>responds with a proud smile.

	um... are you sure she doesn't say "i went to his doctor"?
		

	anca
	innocent abroad

>Woody Chin
>Darden/UVa
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From: stoikos@trooa.enet.dec.com (stoik)
Subject: Re: Seinfeld & The Far Side - the connection :-)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 24 JUL 92 09:53:27    


In article <Brw926.EKG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes...
>In article <1884@sdrc.COM>, rob.gabbard@sdrc.com writes...
>> 
>> 
>>For those with the Far Side 1992 Off-the-Wall Calendar, check out July 31st !
>> 
> 
>so, those of us who don't have it have to suffer!?!?!?!?!?
> 
>please, elaborate, what does it say?
> 
> 

	The caption says "Trouble brewing"

	The picture is of two buildings beside each other.  One building is
	"ED's DINGO FARM" and next to to it is "Doreen's Nursery".
	The picture shows all the dingoes up against the fence looking at two 
	babies in a playpen on the front lawn of the nursery.

stoik

	***G:  When are you leaving (for California)??
	***K:  Up here, I'm already gone!!!
From: jg@hpcvcag.cv.hp.com (Joe Gilray)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Tonight's episode
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:51:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

"When I went over to Jerry's it was like I was on vacation, better food,...,
 nicer TV, and cleaner, much cleaner"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Yearning
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:24:11 GMT


I have craved, but I haven't yearned.
From: egolub@cs.umd.edu (Evan Golub)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Season Finale
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:17:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


   I think my favorite part of the episode is when Kramer said "Woody
Allen" and the entire "These pretzels are making me thirsty" episode
ran through my before George even got to say the line.


				-Evan-
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: Tonight's episode
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:28:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.175111.19010@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> cs348b8@ibma7.cs.uiuc.edu (ranjana jain) writes:
>Does anyone know what tonight's episode is about?
>
>R. Jain

I dont remember the underlying theme, is it the key buddy thing?, but Kramer
goes to CA and ends up as Murphy Brown's secretary. A truly funny episode !
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: barb@phx.mcd.mot.com (Barb Legawiec)
Subject: Kramer's name
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:56:30 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: jeff@tct.com (Jeff Witzer)
Subject: Re: I'm still not convinced Kramer is just Kramer
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:06:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: KRAMER

In article <Bs5zB0.96y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> emgg1058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Gaert
ner) writes:
>[...] Obviously the only
>logical conclusion to be drawn from this is that 'Kramer' is Kramer's
>LAST NAME! Just because the network tries to pretend he doesn't have a
>first name ( to be like Cher Obviously ) doesn't mean he doesn't have one.

Correct me if I'm wrong (like you needed prompting), but isn't "Cher" short
for "Cheryl <insert proper Italian name here>"?  I recall a Barbara Walters'
special where she interviewed Cher and Cher's mom where the "Cher" thing was
discussed...

ObSeinfeld:  Jerry's parents (shown at home in Florida in the episode with
	     Jerry's black eye and Elaine's back medication ("that's a NICE
	     pen!")) live next door to me...but then again, they live next 
	     door to EVERYONE in Florida.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee)
Subject: that limo/nazi episode...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:49:39 GMT

when the show broke away to the "live special report" i got really
angry until i realized it was part of the episode.  then i started
laughing hysterically.  they really got me.  the biggest fool in the
history of tv viewing...

i am also duped 4 times out of 5 by the energizer rabbit commercials,
but i managed to catch the last three or four.

young

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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Kramer's Roles
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:30:38 GMT

>Wasn't Kramer in Pretty Woman, as Richard Gere's Accountant
>and Advisor?

No, that was George (Jason Alexander).
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Subject: Re: Tonight's episode
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:28:30 GMT

In article <Brx5Dn.84G@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070n53b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK PRZYBYSZEWSKI) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.203446.16219@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umlepine@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bryan Lepine) writes...
>>In <1992Jul23.173852.3037@leland.Stanford.EDU> garygm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Brainin) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>   So did anybody catch what Elaine was mumbling?  I tried, but I kept
>>>missing it.  :(
>> 
>>  I think the first mumbled phrase was "Bullshit"
>>  The second mumbled phrase was from George: "thats a crock of shit"
>>  The third was from Elaine: "Asshole"
>> 
>>p.s. Anybody know how the were allowed to keep those in?
>
>I don't think they were kept in.  I was paying attention to the tape to
>hear something, but it seemed to me you could see them mouth the word, 
>but hear the audience laughter over it.  Am I the only one who thought
>this is what happened?
>
I agree - I watched the episode on tape and even rewound it, but still
couldn't actually hear the last syllables.  Of course this pales in
comparison to what you can read (and occasionally hear) on the lips
of sports figures during games.

John

Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Kramer's last or first name
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:21:05 GMT

In article <CHARI.92Jul31084016@emil.ma.utexas.edu> chari@emil.ma.utexas.edu (Christopher M. Whatley) writes:
>
>
>Puhleasssee! Do you have any idea of the magnitude of Seinfeld's
>nauseation if he were to find out there were a bunch of goobers
>sitting on the net wasting thousands of dollars of long-distance uucp
>time trying to remember if the nose-girl was saying "Sid" or "his"?
>
>You guys are a bunch of Biff Lomans!
>

Personally, I don't care if we make Seinfeld power chuck (forgive
me).  He's not my hero, but he does have a funny show.  Some people
enjoy discussing the little details--what's the big deal?  

         [Insert indignant and sarcastic diatribe 
          about wasting bandwidth here.]

We all have our own methods of wasting time in enjoyable ways.

I raise my keyboard in a salute to all meaningless Seinfeld trivia
discussed in this news group.  Cheers!

John

Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Subject: Seinfeld spot (non-Olympic)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:50:42 GMT

Yesterday evening there was a Seinfeld spot on TV, similarly to the Olympic 
ones where the guy who does Unsolved Mysteries (the one who used to play in TVs
Untouchables) shows up with his raincoat and stuff and starts talking seriously
about 4 guys missing from NYC. He mentions that they were talking about rather 
irrelevant aspects of life (or something like that) and then Jerry shows up
and even calls him by his first name! My description is very poor but the spo 
was so hilarious that I could barely follow it. The guy's voice is 
unbelievable!

Anthony Stefanidis
Ohio St8
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: rspw@backyard.bellcore.com (Bob Warznak)
Subject: Seinfeld Mailing List (was Re: Seinfeld Olympic Moments)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:52:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.200745.11287@draco.macsch.com>, jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.165644.22235@walter.bellcore.com> rspw@backyard.bellcore.com (Bob Warznak) writes:
|> >There's been a lot of talk lately about the Seinfeld Olympic
|> >moments on the Seinfeld mailing list, so I thought I would
|> >cross post this to this group.  Basically were looking to
|> >make a complete list of all of the moments.
|> >
|> Mailing list?!  Where???  Haven't seen it mentioned here, and
|> would like to be added.
|> 

The Seinfeld mailing list (aka. Vandalay Industries) has been around for
almost 8 months now.  It seems to be almost completely separate from
this group.  In fact I've only recognized Kevin's name on both groups.
If you're interested in the mailing list, the mail comes in a reflector
format or digest format.  Specify which you prefer by sending mail to:
   
   seinfeld-request@cpac.washington.edu

Regular mailings go to:

   seinfeld@cpac.washington.edu

-- 
"Master of the House"
Bob Warznak
rspw@backyard.bellcore.com
Bell Communications Research
(908) 699-2488
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: pds@lemming.webo.dg.com (Paul D. Smith)
Subject: Re: Seinfeld spot (non-Olympic)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:29:27 GMT
	<1992Jul28.204347.12009@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: NSDD/ONSD, Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

[] Regarding Re: Seinfeld spot (non-Olympic);
[] nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar) writes:

    ns> In article <1992Jul28.185042.10542@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
    ns> astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
    ns> writes:

    >Yesterday evening there was a Seinfeld spot on TV, similarly to
    >the Olympic ones where the guy who does Unsolved Mysteries (the
    >one who used to play in TVs Untouchables) shows up with his
    >raincoat and stuff and starts talking seriously about 4 guys
    >missing from NYC.

    ns> But I spotted Seinfeld's "hanging bike" in the background, and
    ns> just caught Seinfeld appearing behind Stack and saying
    ns> something like "Don't worry , Bob. We are right behind you, as
    ns> always on Wednesdays".

The funniest part is right as the scene fades Robert Stack says to
Jerry in this great deadpan: "Did you call me Bob?"  I love it!
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From: ummorea0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gene Moreau)
Subject: Re: Seinfeld & The Far Side - the connection :-)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:43:26 GMT

In <1884@sdrc.COM> gpgabb@sdrc.com (Rob Gabbard) writes:



>For those with the Far Side 1992 Off-the-Wall Calendar, check out July 31st !

For those of us with out it, could some post a gif of it possibly?

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Seinfeld Olympic Moments
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:59:42 GMT

>In article <1992Jul28.133156.7972@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>|> There were also 
>|> 
>|> a George and Jerry at the coffee shop one. George exclaims about
>|> the 13 yr old Chinese diver, how he at 13 was running through a
>|> sprinkler with an inner tube. Jerry considers this. After about
>|> a standing 8 he says something like "women mature sooner than men"
>|> and resumes reading his paper.
>
Not to be picky here but the timing was; George talks about the 13
year old, Jerry comes back quick with the mature thing, then the
standing 8 while George looks at Jerry like.... well you know George.

Tony Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu