HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fetrow@biostat.washington.edu (David Fetrow)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.privacy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.security.misc
Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:06:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec18.010655.19042
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.

In article <1992Dec16.211155.19172@klaava.Helsinki.FI> viljanen@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) writes:
>In <PCL.92Dec15173300@rhodium.ox.ac.uk> pcl@ox.ac.uk (Paul C Leyland) writes:
>
>>In article <26Cu03elc3du00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> grjost@uts.amdahl.com (Garrett Jost) writes:
>
>>   I'll leave on this note:  On many systems, if you mail a letter to a non-
>>   existent user, the message gets sent back, but a copy also goes to
>>   "postmaster".  So if you mistype a friend's e-mail address and write
>>   he/she a very personal message, it isn't very personal anymore, is it?
>
>>For this very reason, I made very strong requests to our mail guru to
>>fix it for Postmaster to get only the mail headers.  She did, and now
>>only the originator gets the message body.  I, as joint-postmaster
>>still get to see the headers in case they indicate problems with the
>>system.  Still not ideal privacy, perhaps, but better than the
>>alternative.
>
>This is a two edged sword here. By enhancing the user's privacy
>you also diminish their chances to get information. Just guess
>how many internet guides tell people to mail postmaster@site
>to get information about e-mail addresses. These mail messages
>get truncated too.
>

 It's possible to have the headers-only show up only for bounced mail so
regular messages get through to PostMaster. So far (several years) no problem.

-- 
   -dave   fetrow-		INTERNET:	fetrow@biostat.washington.edu
   				BITNET:		fetrow@uwalocke
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Brad Hicks forwarding
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:55:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.BETSYS.92Dec19145529
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Aha! THAT'S where those are coming from!
Who is Brad Hicks? Does he know that what appears to be his home
address is bouncing all over the Internet, buried in the bounce?

Why would any site's bounce include a mail address anyway, unless it
was the mail address of the site?
--
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MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               Phone   : 617-287-6448
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Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: skipm@dorsai.com (Skip Mac-Stoker)
Subject: Re: 2600 Pentagon City Mall "bust"
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:49:28 GMT

Now that I've read some basic dispositions on this, no one should have
provided the rent-a-cops with ID - they are not even officers of the peace and
have just about 0% legal authority other than to kick you off of their private
property. I would have let the asshole try to take me in - on what charge?
What could he possibly have tried to cook up to get me in the can?

Skip
From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: LOOK AT THIS MESS!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:40:36 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

antoon.vanroon@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (Antoon Vanroon)  writes:

> 
> Rick:   Someone is importing the wrong stuff in this conference.
>         Looks like usenet or something.....
> 
> 
> -Tony
> ---
>  * Canada Remote Systems, Toronto, 416-629-7000
>  * PostLink(tm) v1.04  CRS (#118) : RelayNet(tm)
>                                      

Hey, yeah, you're right!  Get this damn Usenet out of my feed!


morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph")   |   A name changes toys into tools..
Obsolete diety for hire.  Cheap.      |          - Skinny Puppy
From: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: ACLU/EFF and Scanner rest
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 


DR> .a friend of mine filled me in on a conversation (perhaps old, i couldn't f
  > .it) that occurred in alt.radio.scanner about the reaction of the ACLU to t
  > .ruling (involving the FCC or whoever) making it illegal to sell scanners t
  > .can receive in the cellular and/or cordless bands.  the ban goes against a
  > .long-standing FCC policy (1932 or so) that states that all bands are fair
  > .game to receive as long as they're not used for profit/gain, etc.  i
  > .believe the only major exceptions to this currently involve radar detector
  > .in some states.

I believe that you're referring to the Communications Act of 1934.  The
"exceptions" about radar detectors are not FCC exceptions.  All the bans
on radar detectors are under state motor vehicle ordinances.  Many
states also have motor vehicle ordinances against any receivers capable
of being tuned to police frequencies.

        D/
---
 . QMPro 1.0 41-3345 . Bring back A-N airways!!    Dick.Zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com
                              
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.privacy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.security.misc
From: viljanen@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen)
Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
Organization: Pussy Galore's Flying Circus
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:47:14 GMT

In <PCL.92Dec18102928@rhodium.ox.ac.uk> pcl@ox.ac.uk (Paul C Leyland) writes:

>] I think the best solution would be to encrypt the message body
>] (by rot-13 or something) to eliminate the accidental reading
>] of the message. But the message in its entirety should be available
>] to the Postmaster if he/she needs it. 

>Maybe.  However, it still allows Postmaster to snoop with great ease.

Well, usually the whole system adminstration staff can snoop with
great ease. You just have to trust the adminstration, why not the
Postmaster then?

>Paul

-- 
Lea 'LadyBug' Viljanen     University of Helsinki   "Every real program
Lea.Viljanen@Helsinki.FI   Computing Centre          has some input" - H&P
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: WELL anonymity policy
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:40:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

I've learned the following about the WELL: subscribers are
requested to supply the WELL admins with their real names; and 
the association between login name and actual name is made public 
knowledge (e.g. through the mailer's vrfy command).

So far, so good; even though most access services
(e.g. netcom, express access) are willing to protect the 
privacy of the user's identity if the user so wishes,
the WELL, for whatever reasons, is not.

But: it turns out the WELL management makes exceptions
to this policy.  Who are these exceptions?  Primarily
celebrities.  The management there likes the idea
of certain well-known individuals posting anonymously,
and so is willing to make exceptions for these
people.

Now, it's possible I don't have the entire story straight,
but if the above is true it strikes me as somewhat
bogus.  I mean, it would appear that not all users are
provided with the same level of service, based on... what?
Somebody's arbitrary decision.  Is it reasonable for
a professional access service to do this?  I have some
doubts.

I'll qualify this whole post by saying the above is the
situation as I understand it, I could be wrong about 
some of this.  But I'd like to hear what you-all think
about this sort of policy.

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: WELL anonymity policy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:39:22 GMT

Korac MacArthur (an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: Yes, but was the fact that you could apply for and GET anonymity
: ever clearly stated?  I doubt it.   This exceptions policy for
: illuminatti is extremely unjust and reminds me of Diane Feinstein when

I've been on The WELL 3 years (almost).  It's true that a statement,
"We occasionally have aliased celebrity accounts," is not in the manual
or in the information a new user reads; but it's no secret.  I've seen
it discussed collaterally in a couply of places in my time on the
system, and it wasn't a big deal.

One reason The WELL wants to provide for a modicum of security about
who's who is that there are some private conferences with qualifi-
cations for enrollment.  For example, there's MOW (Men on The WELL),
where women are not allowed.  In order to join, I had to ask the host,
who knew me personally.  If he had not, I guess further checking would
have been in order before I would have been granted entry.

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Xref: sparky comp.org.eff.talk:7728 comp.dcom.isdn:994
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,comp.dcom.isdn
Subject: Re: ISDN rates
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:33:36 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

David "Network Man" Benson (dbenson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote:
: I contacted my local phone company (C&P) about having an ISDN line
: installed in my apartment (for the purpose of connecting to campus's
: network). I was quoted a $300 installation charge, $58 per month, plus
: $0.05 per minute. Are these rates fair (average)? 

No, $0.05/minute is not "fair" for a local call.  See if you can get
them to quote a rate that has no per-minute charges, which may be part
of a "centrex" offering.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Caller ID solution? (was Re: ACLU/EFF and Scanner restrictions?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:22:09 GMT
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
NntpPostingHost: engineer.mrg.uswest.com

Since I was the author of the fork in question I thought I better jump back in
I don't have a PBX in my basement.  The scenaro that I described was posted
tounge in cheek (;^)   Below is the quoted text of those messages.

In article <1992Dec15.132235.12563@linus.mitre.org> jthomas@kolanut.mitre.org (Joe Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.202930.12470@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David  
>Sternlight) writes:
>> Joe Thomas incorrectly attributes an article about a PBX in the basement
>> to me.
>> 
>> I did not write that.
>> 
>> I don't have a PBX.
>> 
>> I would never be a party to helping others beat caller ID.
>
>Sorry.  Chris Fedde <chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com> was the author of the  
>article I incorrectly attributed to Mr. Sternlight.  The Fedde article was a  
>reply to a Sternlight article that made a minor change to my Caller ID idea.   
>I quoted both in my article and switched the authors.  Again, sorry for any  
>confusion.
>
>Joe

I clam full responsibility for the message about the PBX in my basement
I do not claim responsibility for any damages that you may have incurred
because of the message.  I do not plan to implement this kind of service
any time soon.  As James Campbell <ujacampbe@memstvx1.memst.edu> points
out there are significant liability problems to be solved in a service
like this.  My childeren would never forgive me if I set up such a
service since they would be left responsable for the court settelment
after any victims of the service justly assasinated me.


BTW. I do not represent USWEST or any company of USWEST. The opinions
expressed in the origional PBX branch and in this followup are mine.
(Nothing goes without saying)
 
Chris Fedde, USWEST MRG, chris@mrg.uswest.com, voice +13037842823
From: Jim.Riddle@inns.omahug.org (Jim Riddle)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Professional registration
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:25:02 CST
Reply-To: jim.riddle@inns.omahug.org
Organization: Inns of Court, Papillion, NE
Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk

I'm personally tired of hearing from all of these people who could've
gotten college degrees if they wanted to do so.  I'd like to know why
they didn't and why they seem to hold it against we who did!
 
No, I do not think that having a degree makes a person any more or any
less qualified; I just recognize that the degree is, in most cases today,
a prerequisite for certain forms of employment.
 
Continuing,
 
I am also getting tired of a lot of people telling me what my
professional engineering registration means.  It means that I had the
right degree from the right school, that I passed a couple of exams, that
I had enough experience, that I had enough suitable references, and that
I have now earned the opportunity to put my balls on the line when I
perform engineering work.  It means that I am legally qualified to
advertise as an engineer and to be sued as the person in charge if the
damned thing breaks or kills someone, and that the buck stops at me.  In
other words, it means that when someone gets to put up or shut up, it's
me.
 
Off the soapbox, now, and girding my loins for the expected onslaught.
 
Jim

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: lastort@access.digex.com (Mike Lastort)
Subject: Re: Lee and Fernandez Plead Guilty - c.o.eff.talk silent?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:56:51 GMT

bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance) writes:


>Amazing isn't it?

>2 of the guys in the high-profile "hacker" case in New York plead guilty
>to tampering charges, and nary a peep out of the folks here.  Gee, there
>was an awful lot of ruckus when they were charged.

>No comments?

>-- 
>Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
>Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
>Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
>      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu


Could you post something that details the case? I'm sure that it's been
done before, but I'm new to the Internet, and I doubt that anyone else
would really mind a "refresher."

Mike

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news,comp.org.eff.talk
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:08:00 UT
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              @X400.MSFC.NASA.GOV

 /DD.un=rwnelson/O=NASA/PRMD=NASAMAIL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@x400.msfc.nasa.gov,
        70140.315@compuserve.com, 70314.2040@compuserve.com,
        72030.677@compuserve.com, 73730.1607@compuserve.com,
        acm-l@ohstvma.acs.ohio-state.edu, ada@software.org, adapros@grebyn.com,
        agapi.svolou@cec.cmu.edu, ahern@eclus.bwi.wec.com,
        widget!barb@uunet.uu.net, bryk@ida.org, bsanden@gmuvax.gmu.edu,
        castor@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu, croak@sc4.hq.af.mil, davew@cs.umd.edu,
        ddikel@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu, deller@verdix.com, dlgill@mwunix.mitre.org,
        bassman@starlab.csc.com
Subject: 12/16/92 meeting of DC SIGAda
Message-Id: <"EJJC-1734-4712/15"*@nasax400.msfc.nasa.gov>

The December meeting of DCSIGAda will be held on Wednesday, December, 16th

          NOTE THIS MEETING IS AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION!

Details are as follows:

Refreshments:  7:00 pm
Meeting:       7:30 pm
Location:      CSC GreenTec II building
               10110 Aerospace Rd.
               Glenn Dale, Md

Topic:         A Reuse-Oriented Software Life Cycle

Speaker:       Rush Kester, Sr. Software Engineer
               Computer Sciences Corp.

Rush Kester has over 20 years of experience in software
development and management, primarily on NASA and DoD projects.
He has been involved in all phases of Ada projects from proposals
to maintenance and operations.  He is currently working for
Computer Sciences Corporation studying software development
processes at the NASA/Goddard Software Engineering Laboratory
(SEL). Rush has been an active member of DC SIGAda since its
inception and currently serves as its Chair.

Rush Kester's talk will describe a reuse-oriented life cycle that
has evolved at the SEL.  The SEL's development process has
evolved from achieving a baseline of 20-30 percent verbatim reuse
between successive projects, to routinely achieving 80-90 percent
verbatim reuse.  Not only has this approach yielded shorter
development cycles, it has resulted in more reliable systems.
Based on this model, he will emphasize techniques that any
development organization can use to facilitate software reuse.

Directions:

Take I-495/I-95 (Washington Beltway) to the Baltimore-Washington
Parkway (exit 22A) north toward Baltimore.  Exit the parkway
immediately at Greenbelt Rd (Rt 193).  Turn left on Greenbeld Rd
and go about 3 miles (or 1 mile past the Goddard Space Center
main gate).  Turn left on Aerospace Rd (just before Shell station
on left) and go 1/2 mile to Greentec II, the last building on the
left.  See the guard at the main entrance, (301) 794-4460.
From: folsom@bigmax.UUCP (Al Folsom)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
Summary: L&T Procedures
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:04:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fischer & Porter Co., Warminster, PA.

In article <1992Dec15.192557.13119@cpu.com>, gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester) writes:
> 
> 	It might avoid some confusion, but the statement is **WRONG**!!
> At least the L&T and 3P SIG chairs are elected by the general membership at
> their respective Open SIG Steering Committe meetings members (not restricted
> to leaders) present.  I believe that L&T does put a restriction that DEC
> employees can not vote, but I'm not sure.

I cannot speak for 3P, but L&T most definately does not elect SIG
chairs.  Our Policies and Procedures, both the current ones, and the
version now under review, do not even mention voting.  SIG chairs
are, in actuality, "nominated" by the outgoing SIG chair, and 
confirmed by the Executive Committee.  Changes are reached by 
concensus, with votes of any sort being extremely rare.  To as great
an extent as possible, L&T maintains a huge steering committee, and
subject to budget constraints, keeps as many of them involved in 
SIG affairs as possible.

Note that I fully support this mechanism, I am not in any way
criticizing it.  As long as it is easy to volunteer your time to 
the SIG, and access to the steering committee is open, it produces
a smoother operation, and tends to discourage DECUS politicians, as
opposed to actual workers, from trying to control the SIG.

The mechanism does, however, at least present the appearance of a 
less representative democracy in SIG Council and the MC.

> >
> >Maybe I'm a minority, but the newsletters were my one regular contact with the
> >society. And what I read the most were the standards reports. I will miss both.
> >Now I hardly feel like I have a connection to DECUS. (Now would be a bad time to
> >ask me to pay money, btw, to comment on another issue being discussed, unless I
> >got some new product in return.) And I'm more connected to DECUS than
> >somepeople, as I am a volunteer (I manage VMSnet).
> >
> 
> 	You are very much a minority.  The news letter subscription was about
> 2% of the membership and a good number of subscribers had/have either or both
> DECUServe or DCS accounts.
>

Several people have expressed their concern to me over the demise
of the newsletter. 2% of the membership is *roughly* 1000 subscribers,
which is very low, but many of those subscribers really wanted it.
They HAD to, to fight through all the barriers we put in their way to
maintaining their subscriptions!  DECUS killed the newsletters, but
not in one swell foop this past fall, but gradually over the last
five years through poor marketing, bad renewal policies, and lack
of support.

Al Folsom
L&T Newsletter Editor-In-Exile
From: dsroberts@beckman.com
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:14:43 PDT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: Beckman Instruments

In article <17DEC199211335228@carat.arizona.edu>, jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity) writes:
> You're droning.  If you have to dance around for 175 lines to refute a 4
> paragraph message, you're droning.  Take it from someone who has to fit
> 2000 words into a 1000 word box for a living.  Tighten your prose and fix
> your grammar; your response will be more convincing.  But on to the fight:

That's okay, Joel, I think he's droning too :-)

> These people make the decisions on how DECUS will be run, and they do it
> without any consultation with the rest of leadership, and they do it
> without sharing the interests of the Society.   Your examples are, to be kind,
> ludicrous.  This reminds me of George Bush and his tour of supermarkets,
> where he was amazed by the bar-code scanner.  It sounds like the beknighted
> deigning to come down to where the little people are and listen to their
> problems.  

Joel, in general, I agree with you.  However I don't think you're being fair to
broad brush all of top leadership being out of touch.  I would say an argument
could be made that many are, but this, like all generalizations, really isn't
giving a fair hearing to the issue.  I've seen enough of Jeff's statements to
feel that he is pretty much in touch with the needs of the membership.  Also
Marg.  But if you talk about leaders like Clyde Pool, Bill Brindley and such,
I'd definitely agree with you.

I think the problem lies in the view of the seriousness of different issues and
the priorities top leadership places on them, rather than a total distancing
from the rest of us.  Leadership NEEDS the ability to act without polling the
membership for everything they do, otherwise nothing would get done.  This
forces some amount of distancing that is really unavoidable.  OTOH, leadership
needs to recognise that this happens and actively work against it.

-- 
   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
   Beckman Instruments, Inc.     Phone:     714/961-3029
   2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX:       714/961-3351
   Fullerton, CA  92634          Disclaimer:  Blame me, not Beckman.
   "Abortion isn't a 'choice', it's the slaughter of the innocent"
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS StandardsREAD/NEXT
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:47:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Dec16.083736.5901@ais.com>, arthur@ais.com writes:
> As one who responded earlier on this meeting, I take offense.  I do not
> consider myself an insider 

Sorry Art

-- 
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