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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules Question??
Distribution: world
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Date: 30 Sep 92 14:08:52 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <1992Sep28.151122.9943@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
> In article <lcektrINNrtc@west.west.sun.com>, kevin@fastlane.West.Sun.COM (Kevin Janssen SUN Phoenix CSD 602-275-5537 x36) writes:
> > 
> > Rules Question regarding blocked punts and muffed punt receptions.  When
> > a punt is blocked and the punting team recovers the ball the ball belongs
> > to the receiving team Why?  I don't have a rules book, but it seems that 
> > blocking a punt is trying to catch the ball on the way up and would be 
> > considered a muff if not done succesfully!! 
> >  
> 
> Well the reason is is that it's 4th down so it would be turned over on downs.
> Now as to why a blocked punt isn't the same as a muffed punt, I'd guess there's
> a rule on the actual change of possession.  Like when the ball reaches the 
> top of the kick and starts to descend then the possesion changes.  Thus if
> the ball is blocked before it starts to descend then it is still 4th down
> for the kicking team.  Make sense?  I think it does, hell I don't know, but it
> sounded good... =)

Actually, possession changes once the punted ball crosses the line of
scrimmage.

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From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:31:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct1.213126.5091
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Oct1.173949.26855@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>In Article 30789, COHEN PAUL L writes ...
>
>>O.K. the Jets ate 0-4, but they always play the Bills tough.
>
>Sunday, Nov 22, 1987 Buf @ NYJ 17 14  JETS LOSE
>Monday, Oct 17, 1988 Buf @ NYJ 37 14  JETS LOSE
>Sunday, Nov 20, 1988 NYJ @ Buf 6 9    JETS LOSE
>Sunday, Oct 22, 1989 NYJ @ Buf 3 34   JETS LOSE
>Sunday, Dec 24, 1989 Buf @ NYJ 37 0   JETS LOSE
>Monday, Sept 24,1990 Buf @ NYJ 30 7   JETS LOSE
>Sunday, Oct 21, 1990 NYJ @ Buf 27 30  JETS LOSE
>Sunday, Sept 15,1991 Buf @ NYJ 23 20  JETS LOSE
>Sunday, Dec 1,  1991 NYJ @ Buf 13 24  JETS LOSE
>
>... well the Jets have lost the last 9 games, I hope you 
>don't think that this 0-4 Jets team has a chance to break 
>the streak.
>
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
>

You can forget the games in 1987, 1988, 1989 since that was a completely
different Jets team. As for Sept 24, 1990, the Jets got beat bad, only to
rebound and do all but win in Buffalo on Oct. 21, 1990. Recall, that the Jets
really had them beat.  Sep 15, 1991  Jets lose by 3, when everyone was
calling for the Jets to go 3-13 with no chance of making the playoffs and 
Buffalo to easily win the Superbowl. Not a bad showing for a young Jets
team.  Finally, Dec.1, 1991 @ Bills. Jets hung with them untill the fourth
quarter, I should know, I was there. Bills just won in the end (by the way,
winning that game meant securing the divisional title. So, the Bills had
much to play for).
All in all, I stick to my comments that the Jets always play the Bills 
tough. In fact, I predict that the Monday Night game between the Jets
and Bills will be won in the last two minutes.
You are very good at qouting scores Ron, but do you really know about
what happenned in those games? Apparently NOT!!!!!!!!
                                         -Paul
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: giants game!!
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:04:08 GMT

Go GIANTS! (Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU) wrote:
> In article <1992Sep27.045402.23475@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
> >From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
> >Subject: Re: giants game!!
> >Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:54:02 GMT
> 
> >Go GIANTS! (Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU) wrote:
> >> 
> >> NOT ONLY did they win, they COMMANDED the 3rd half with over 12 minutes 
> >> possession.....
> >> 
> >> This is the REAL Giants, really, I swear it is...
> >> 
> >> Now, if you are a giants fan, repeat after me:
> >> LOSING to the 2 best teams in the NFL is nothing to be ashamed of!
> >> 
> 
> >I'm just glad that we finally beat da Bears AT chicago!.
> 
> 
> Indeed this is a year of first win/loses for my team.  First time in a LONG 
> time that Giants won at da Bears Stadium. (Can anyone tell me the last time 
> Giants won there?)
> 
>  Also the first time since early 70's that Dallas won at Giants Stadium.
> 

Hmmm, lets try to forget that one!


> 
> >> 
> >> GO GIANTS!!!!!!  (the october schedule is soft)
> >> 10/4 raiders at la
> >> 10/11 phoenix
> >> 10/18 rams at la
> >> 10/25 seattle
> >> 
> >> THESE GAMES ARE OURS!!!!!!!
> 
> >Hang on, let not get too confident. I mean, we lost to Cincy and The rams
> >last year..
> 
> Were they home or away games?  Last year was depressing for me, the Giants 
> lost to everyone, I've tried to block it out, but perhaps you can refresh 
> my memory on scores for these games.  
> 

Me thinks they were away games. Sorry don't know the scores to the games.


> Adriene L. Nazaretian        
> Yale University              
> ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
> ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  


** PLEA MODE ON **

NOTE : (Adriene, you can ignore this!) DESPERATE GIANTS FAN IN OZ would
like to get some vision of the Gaints vs Bears game. If anyone could help
me out, please EMAIL me.. Thanks


** PLEA MODE OFF **

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
 
   
   

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Niners Beat Aints, Refs
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:27:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep28.191955.15422@cs.tulane.edu> buckley@cs.tulane.edu (James Buckley) writes:

><biased garbage deleted>

Calibrated to offend, and successful at that...

>Remember, the 49ers have to play the Saints one more time this year.
>So I wouldn't get all "high and mighty" just yet ...

Especially if the officiating is as choice for that game as it was
for last night's.  Even the best teams can't consistently come up
through *that*.

>BTW, it was a well played football game for both side (in case someone
>really cares about the game itself! :-)  See ya in SF! 

Generally well-played, with a few glitches.  Why did Hebert toss
the ball up for grabs on a non-4th down situation?  Why did the Niners
play so poorly on their last possession?  And WHY were the Niners
(nine of them) up on the line of scrimmage when the Aints were 3rd and
10 on the Niners 11?!  What a brain-dead call!  You've got to know
they're gonna heave it -- I'd have at least four DBs sitting on the goal
line.

Oh well...

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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: cpv6332@sigma.tamu.edu (VAN DYKE, CHRISTOPHER PAUL)
Subject: My Opinion on Troy Aikman
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:20:00 GMT

These are my views on Troy Aikman.  His long passing seems to be improved form 
last year but his ball handling is still very poor.  He is one of the best 
short passers in the game and when it comes to a crutial 3rd down he has been
one of the best QB`s I have seen lately.

I would rank Troy as the 2nd best Qb this year tied with Cunningham.  The
only one better is Kelly.

Chris Van Dyke

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From: hall@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.184016.27039@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct3.165234.11070@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> hall@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031) writes:
|> 
|> >So quit whining, we'll see you in San Francisco in November. 
|> 
|> What is this knee-jerk reaction of Aints fans to label anything a Niner
|> fan says as whining?  For those of us who can read for comprehension,
|> it was clear that there was no whining going on in this thread whatsoever.
|> By stating otherwise you merely discredit yourselves.
|> 

"We'd have REALLY kicked your butts if the Refs hadn't been on
your side"

is whining in anybody's book.

|> Are all Aints fans like you?
|> 

Unless you've suffered through 20 straight non-winning seasons, you 
don't know what it MEANS to be a fan!!


|> >If we find a
|> >running game by then, the result will be much different.
|> 
|> You'll be on natural grass then, bud.  Better find a BIG running game.
|> Not too many teams enjoy playing the Niners late in the season, either...
|>
 
You WANT to play the most physical team in football on natural grass??
You must be some kind of masochist! Our running game, BTW, seems to be 
taking shape, so be prepared!

|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
|> SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
|> Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974

Philip Hall


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:06:55 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: STEELERS ARE OVERRATED!

The Packer game was a lot closer when you consider that Woodson
handed the Packers a touchdown on that muffed punt and following
play where he blew the coverage, and also gave them another touchdown
when he let sharpe beat him for a long bomb....if he played up to
par on those 2/3 plays, the score is 3-3......
From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: quick question
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:44:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: watserv1.BvDMLv.2C9
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <29710089@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>In article <15280143@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith 
>>	Glasson) writes...
>
>>>	Just a quick, simple question:How wide is a football field?
>
>>A professional NFL football field is 30 yards across.
>
>>					---Chet
>
>Not even close.  Both college and pro fields (American, not Canadian)
>are 160 ft. = 53 1/3 yards across.  Actually, I'm not sure about
>Canadian football - it may be the same but I think it's wider.
>
>- Gary Rosen

The Canadian field is 60 yards wide and 110 yards long. And the endzones are
20 yards instead of 10 yards deep in NFL. Pretty big difference, eh? Think 
about what good passing teams in NFL could do with a 20-yard deep endzone!
Scary!

Peter Brown, Imprint
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From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Finally...Jackson's outta here!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:01:26 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1a8fqqINNarh@shirley.cs.widener.edu> austin@cs.widener.edu (Jeff Austin) writes:
>  As for Miami, I hope they enjoy their
>  self-centered, non-team-player, alligator-armed, footstep-hearing,
>  stat-declining, contract-renegotiating, pass-dropping moron.  

I don't really know much about Keith Jackson, but I have to wonder WHY
the Dolphins decided to pick up Jackson.  The Dolphins don't need him,
they have more than enough talent at TE and in the receiving corps in
general.  What the Dolphins need is more defensive talent, so why not
pick up Garin Veris instead?
 
And you can bet that Shula won't put up with Jackson's self-centered
antics.  I'll bet they trade him before the '93 season. What a waste.

Curt

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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Rating the QBs
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:43:52 GMT

eo> Eric Orologio "ANTI-CHRIST"

eo> I, like many people, find the NFL rating system full of flaws. According 
    to the NFL system if one quarterback completes 1 of 2 passes for 20 yds,
    he rates 1.000 for his 50% efficiency plus 1.750 for yds attempt. Thus his
    rating is 2.750. On the other hand if a quarterback completes 2 of 2 pas-
    ses for 10 yds rates a 2.375 for 100% efficiency and .500 for yds attempt.
    His total is 2.875. Although he has gained 10 less yds he is considered 
    the better passer.

  In other words:

            Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
            ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----
  Passer 1     2     1   50.0     20  10.00    0  0.0    0  0.0  85.4
  Passer 2     2     2  100.0     10   5.00    0  0.0    0  0.0  87.5

  True. The 1st passer moves his team twice as far, yet is the higher-rated
  passer. Perhaps Passer 2 is a Montana-style passer. Short, quick, easy pas-
  ses that get you a lot of rating points.

eo> Athlon has devised a system that is not only fair but more realistic.  

  It too has flaws, however.

eo> If a QB is first lifetime in total yds he recieves a rating of 1. If he
    is third in lifetime total yds he recieves a rating of 3.  The remaining
    criteria afterwards count only half. [...]

  The biggest problem I have with using strictly lifetime yardage is that the
  system is highly prejudiced towards the last 2-3 decades of pro football.
  Passing was rare before the late '40s, (for the most part) and QBs played
  defensive positions as well. Also, how does one determine if it was the
  QB who did such a good job of gaining all those yards, or did he have good
  WRs too? Take away Rice, Taylor, and Craig, and I bet Joe Montana would
  not have had such a spectacular career.

  My point is not to defend the NFL system, rather, ranking passers is nearly
  too subjective to be possible. However, some systems are better than others,
  and I don't see Athlon's systems as being better than the NFL system. I
  would like to see a rating system that includes rushing yardage and TDs
  (anyone who's watched Randall Cunningham or Steve Young play knows what they
  can do when they run) as well as sacks and yardage lost from sacks, because
  there are QBs who can pass effectively when protected by tissue paper (Dan
  Marino and Dan Fouts being two examples) whereas others are painfully im-
  mobile.

--
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.210347.28947@cass.ma02.bull.com>,
silverio@cass.ma02.bull.com (Brian Silverio) writes:

>After watching Miami take Buffalo apart, the question is:
>
>Can anyone beat Miami?
>
>
>--
>____________________________________________________
>Brian D. Silverio      b.silverio@bull.com
>(508) 294-6774

Yes, the 49ers on December 6th!

                                          Tony
                                       GO 49ERS!!!
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Sunday's key matchup
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:15:38 GMT
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

Sunday's key MATCH UP

New Orleans v San Fransisco

San Fransisco
Offense - a+
defense - b
Special Teams - c

Saints

Offense - a-
Defense - a
Special Teams - b+

Differense 
Anderson - worth a TD
Cofer - worth a TD to the Saints.

Bye,

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WHAT DID I SAY....EAGLES 16-0 (SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:16:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

The RICKER writes:
>
>Aaron,
>
>Granted your team won the game ... I'll concede you that ... But please don't 
>forget that your beloved QB is 0 for 3 in playoff games ... They still have
>games at Dallas, at Washington, in addition to having to play the 49ers ...
>They will NOT go undefeated ... 

I'll say!  It'll be a dead issue after their loss this Sunday.  Everyone
seems to think Philly will have a cake walk in KC.  Why is that?

Here's looking forward to all those 
	"Re: WHAT DID I SAY....EAGLES 15-1 (SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS)" 
threads starting next week.....

Geaux Chiefs!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Regional programming
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:26 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <2OCT92.02181678@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> Sports Illustrated's game of the week is Rams at 49ers. Huh??
> I'm not even a NFC East fan, and I can't wait for Dallas at Philly.


      How did SI screw this up?  With two undefeated match-ups this
weekend, on two different days, one of them nationaly televised, I'd
say this jokers throw darts to pick the "game of the week"

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packers cut Billups
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  6 OCT 92 15:46:31    

In article <56415@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes...

>  I read in the paper this morning that the Packers cut Lewis Billups.
>Does this mean that Buckley is ready to start? 

Billups asked to be released *because* Buckley is ready to start.  In 
fact, he started against the Falcons.

Some GB fans may be questioning why Buckley is starting for Billups 
rather than Vinny Clark.  I think this shows that Clark has gotten a 
bad rap by the fans.  Clark's coverage *overall* has been very good.  
The trouble opposing QBs have had finding open receivers shows that.  
Every CB gets beat and Clark is only in his second year.  Stats alone 
do not tell the whole story.  For instance, Ron Woodson of the 
Steelers has allowed at least 2 TD passes (I know this because he 
allowed 2 against the Packers alone).  Lewis Billups has not allowed a 
TD pass this year.  Can we conclude from this that Billups is better 
than Woodson?  I don't think so.

JGH
From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings on Monday Night (SCHEDULE)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:29:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1a9spfINN8iv
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <20781@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>Could any Viking fan tell me whether the Vikes are scheduled
>to play on Monday night football this season and if so
>when.
>
>Also, could anyone post or e-mail me the Vikes' 92-Season
>schedule.

	Well, I happen to have it handy, so here it is.

	Sept 6 AT Green Bay W 23-20 OT
	Sept13 AT Detroit   L 31-17
	Sept20 TAMPA BAY    W 26-20
	Sept27 AT Cinn.     W 42-7
	Oct  4 CHICAGO
	Oct 11 ---BYE---
	Oct 15 DETROIT      Thursday night game
	Oct 25 WASHINGTON
	Nov  2 AT Chicago   Monday Night Game
	Nov  8 AT Tampa Bay
	Nov 15 HOUSTON
	Nov 22 CLEVELAND
	Nov 29 AT LA Rams
	Dec  6 AT Philadelphia
	Dec 13 SAN FRANCISCO
	Dec 20 AT Pittsburgh
	Dec 27 GREEN BAY

	Mark
	Go VIKINGS!
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:40:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Steve Christie
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

I have nothing against the guy, but a statistic like this isn't worth
anything.  A better set of stats would show %s for 

20 - 30 yds
30 - 40
40 - 50


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From: a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan)
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/22
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.205406.156@osf.org> bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:



>Coach Mac is such a colorful personality that it's almost worth watching the
>rest of team to see his enthusiasm and antics. 

Have only recently moved to New England, I'm not a "born" Pats fan.  Coach
Mac is the reason I am a fan now.  His enthusiasm and energy are incredible, 
and last years performance demonstrated to me how one guy can motivate 
others to overachieve.


>Anyway, here's hoping for the best for our undermanned and outgunned 
Patriots.>Thanks to John Brennan for posting the Pats news -- I enjoy it 
quit a bit,>John!

Wow, my name on the net!  You're welcome, and I'm glad to hear people
enjoy the Patriots News postings.


Take Care,
 
John 



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