From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus)
Subject: Re: To all christians
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:16:19 GMT
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In article <0f0CrQC00aw_0WRUYg@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrew N. Westmeyer" <aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>     There are no moral absolutes!  The act of saying that contradicts
>what you're saying!  It's like saying, "I don't know any words in
>English."  It's really quite simple.  First acknowledge the existance of
>absolutes (eg, math).  Then, when an absolute is in contradiction with
>an action (or thought, etc; let's not skirt the issue), you have
>something immoral, esp with relation to religious matters, although
>science is not apart from morality either.
>     Next of all, I did not say for a homosexual to remain closeted. 
>What he does with respect to that is his own business.  I have no
>obligation to confess my orientation, and neither does anyone else.  If
>he does come out, and people persecute him, they're the ones who are
>wrong.  I would recommend to all homosexuals to come out and break this
>barrier of unjust predjudice.  Ultimately that's his decision though,
>and it is a decision with no immoral implications with respect to him,
>as far as I see.
>     You want a reference.  _General Psychology_ by Gleitman.  I think
>that name's correct.  It's my psych textbook now, and as a matter of
>fact I just read ch 15, which deals with this, only moments ago. 
>Orientation is what is psychological.  Activity is not something outside
>of the realm of control of the individual. 
>     As far as the Bible goes, I do not know of any reference to
>lesbianism.  I do not read the Bible much, only when asked to translate
>a particular passage for the fundamentalist next door, or if I'm really
>bored and want to improve my Greek.  If you can send me some Biblical
>references, I can tell you what it says in a very literal translation. 
>As far as the two words for homosexuality which I read in some Epistle,
>they were used to condemn homosexuals of two different sorts.  One was
>the type of homosexual with that characteristic lisp and open
>tendencies; the word used literally means soft.  The other word was the
>more active homosexual, the one who engages in unorthodox activity; the
>word is a combination of the words for man and bed.  Draw your own
>conclusions (but keep them valid).
>     I also worked here last summer, and I know the bathroom about which
>you speak.  It's pretty nasty, isn't it?  I won't go there now that the
>school year has started; I've heard some pretty raunchy stories of
>people walking in there and hearing feet shuffle...
>     Andrew



Your childish attempt at drawing a comparison between mathematics and morality
holds no water. The existance of absolutes does not imply the existance of
moral absolutes. Example of your "logic".
Evan Marshall is a christian. Evan Marshall is a liar. Therefore all christains
are liars. 
If you are a scholar of the classics as you say, I suggest you study up on
some early works on errors in logic.

As for your shrinkological reference, I asked for a reference on your assertion
that homosexuality was genetic, you give a reference that says it is 
psychological.
(therefore you are a liar & hence a christain ;)

Morality is a human concept, tailored to suit the group that subscribes to
this form of morality. Morality changes depending on which group you ask.
Carthaginians supposedly practiced child-sacrifice, and the aztecs certainly
did. This was "moral" to them in that it served various social & economic needs 
in their respective societies. To our present society this practice is
abhorrent (unless you count abortion as a form of "human sacrifice"). You will
find NO more or morality that is shared by ALL cultures, hence no moral
absolutes. Try as you might, all violations of the 10 commandments are
considered to be "moral" by one society or another. Because you happen to
disagree with certain ativities does not make them moral absolutes, despite
what your "god" may tell you. In fact, the very absence of moral absolutes
implies the absence of a supreme being

-Misquamicus
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