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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Ball Python won't eat.
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:01:47 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Ball Pythons are VERY hard to feed, run the usual checks 
>such as temperture and so forth.

A logical first step...

>Then try another kind of food, gerbils, hamsters and the like.

The second step - my ball only will eat gerbils (and none of the rodent breeders
around here I know breed them!  (read: expensive pet stores)

>AND FOR GODS SAKE KILL THE FEED ANIMAL FIRST!!!!!

Although I agree, I must respond to the all caps nature of this line.
Some animals will just not eat dead, even freshly killed, prey.  My
ball python will not eat anything but live gerbils.  Both of my burmese
refuse to eat anything but live food, but they don't really seem to care
what it is.  I try to get all the animals under my care to eat dead
food, but sometimes this doesn't work.

here's a possible solution for the ball:

make sure the cage is 80-90 degrees, and mist it once a day or so (one
of those spray misters).  place two hide boxes in the cage (each large
enough for the snake).  kill a gerbil before going to bed and
immediately put it in the hide box that the snake is not in.  if the
ball doesn't eat overnight, put some rodent food in the cage along with
a live gerbil in medium to low lighting, and watch for a while from a
diatance.  if nothing happens in the first 15 minutes or so, retreat
further and check every 15 minutes or so for a few hours before removing
the gerbil.  if the ball still refuses to eat, wait a month and try
again.  one injured, stressed (from importation) wild-caught ball I was
given took 8 months to eat, but is now eating somewhat regularly.
==================================================================8--<
Dave Rotheroe                rotheroe@convex.com              DoD#0045
CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX 75083-3851, (214) 497-4512

Death is a reward for being responsible.

A day without sunshine is like...   night
From: kalandro@cae.wisc.edu (Stephen Konstantin Kalandros)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Savannah Monitors
Keywords: Monitors
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:35:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov12.143523.10911
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: kalandro@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu


Hi.  I'm new to this newsgroup and I was wondering if anyone out there
has any advice on Savannah Monitors.  Specifically, what to feed them, 
what's the best substrate material for an aquarium, and what sources
of heat are best.

I've been feeding the monitor once every two days, rotating between 
frozen mice, cat food, and hard-boiled eggs.  This seems to be working fine
because he's growing about an inch a week.  I've been somewhat worried 
about him lately because his bowel movements aren't as regular as they 
used to be--I'm wondering if it has something to do with temperature 
because it's gotten cold around here lately.  I have a heat lamp on him
about 12-14 hours a day, but it gets pretty cold a night, and sometimes
he spends the whole day without coming out from under his hot rock at all.

Thanks in advance for any help.

					Stevie K.
From: gg02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GABRIELLA GRAD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Killing food....
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:14:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does no one buy frozen rodents any more?  Can you not get these from pet
stores?  I know that a pet store I frequent has a freezer full of mice.  As
far as I know, the owner get the animals from institutions (colleges,
universities) around here.  The institutions give her the animals either live
- which she then sells - or dead.  As far as what our psych department does
here, the animals are gassed to death - this is fast.  The rodents are then
frozen and later discarded.

At least this way, you would not have to worry about doing the dirty work
yourself, and you could keep the little guys in your freezer until you need
them and save money on gas.  That is what I would do if I had a snake (which I
do not, at least not now).

gecko maiden
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Killing Food!!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:57:43 GMT

I hate to say this, but snapping the neck or swinging the rodent on a hard
surface is a quick and fairly humane way to do it but if you have a 
problem with that, you may have to get someone else to do it for you. 
Otherwise you might not do it as hard as you need to to insure a quick
death. Have you considered decapitation?


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From: rdecoste@MtHolyoke.edu (Rebecca L. Decoster)
Subject: About Jewel Swifts
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:22:05 GMT


	I have a jewel swift (Sceloporus) and am having difficulty finding
specific information about them.  I know the basics but I want to do the
best i can for my lizard.  I would also appreciate any information on what
else I can keep with my swift.
From: quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: snakes in apartments
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 12:28:34 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer) writes:

> When I was searching for an apartment, I looked at plenty of places that
> advertised "no pets allowed".  I finally found one I liked, and told my
> prospective landlady "oh by the way, I saw that you don't allow pets -
> what kind do you mean?"  She replied only dogs & cats and asked what I
> have.  I said that I keep reptiles (no specifics here).  She asked "are
> they caged?"  I said yes.  She said as long as they're generally caged and
> will not soil the carpets or scratch the walls then they're fine.  Me & my
> 18 snakes have now been happily living in this apartment for 2 years. 


David,

        Did you say anything about the mice and rats you breed to 
feed these 18 snakes.  You know, those furry little creatures that 
run along the baseboards and chew holes in things?  Often referred 
to as VERMIN!  I bet you neglected to mention THAT aspect of herp 
keeping.  Given the fact that you own 18 snakes, I would imagine
that you breed your own rodents.  To buy enough for a group that 
large would be prohibitive- as pet store mice are almost 2 bucks 
here and the young rats are almost 5!

        Just call them hamsters or gerbils, you'll be ok......sq
From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Need advice on cage building
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:04:44 GMT
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

>Plexiglass scratches quite easily.  Don't you think if this gets a lot of use
>it will look like hell in a few years?


	Not that cheap too....I was very surpised as that it cost as much if
not more then glass.

                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

P.S.
----
Live long and prosper.
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: East Bay Vivarium
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:22:16 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Department of Music, UCDavis
Originator: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu


 I just got back from the East Bay Vovarium in Berkeley, and was wondering 
if any readers of this group here either work there or visit regularly.
Neat place... just got a "Everglades Rat Snake" who ate a pinky mouse
-on the ride home in the car- and -another- one the same evening!
Pretty impressive; he's only a hatchling, and I'm so used to hatchling
corns that refuse to eat...

 anyway, any of you out there? 

 - Otter
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: ferrets and corners
Date: 8 Nov 1992 19:20:29 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergrad Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH
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In article <92304.122234KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu> <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>In reference to the problem of ferrets doing their business in the corners
>of your home, they are notorious for this type of behavior.  The good news
>is they are likely to only go in corners (rather than in every other place
>inthe house) but the bad news is I have had little success in completely
>teaching mine to not do it at all.  What you want to do is limit him to ONE
>corner, preferably out of sight.  lay newspaper there, and change it every
>so often, every day or two. 


	I have a cage for my ferret (since I'm in a dorm and share a suite
with five other women who don't want ferrets rummaging through their
belongings....:)) and I didn't let her out to roam freely in my room until
she used the litter box (placed in the corner she chose herself) ALL THE
TIME. She wouldn't want to mess up her own cage, obviously. :) 
	When I let her roam freely in my room, I gave her a second, bigger
litter box at ground level to use. She hasn't messed up since. Maybe I 
was just extremely lucky. :) I also got her from a pretty young age
(~10 wks.) so maybe it's easier to train babies. 


>Then take him
>to his cage or corner, wherever you want him to go, and put him there, his
>rear end to the corner (as if he were going).  If you caught him before he
>went, DON'T let him leave until he goes.  

	Chelsea got to the point that, when she was tired of sitting
around in her cage and wanted out, she'd chew on the bars and rattle
the cage. I'd walk over and stand there looking at her and which point, 
when she knew she had my attention, she'd go in her litter box and then
look all excited like "I went in the litter box; now I get to come
out and play, right?? Right??" 

	Now if I could just keep her from getting onto my desk....:)

--
	" ...dealing with Free-Net makes me very angry  | Heather "Moose"
and gives me thoughts of breaking things and torturing  | Garvey, Biochem 93'
small animals. "   --  Bruce Ikenaga <bxi@po.cwru.edu>  | <hlg@po.cwru.edu>
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From: rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robin J Nakkula)
Subject: Re: Fierce gerbil!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.133045.44870@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jwg0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN WALTER GEWARTOWSKI) writes:
>
>Maybe it has rabies.
>
>Find a friend with a snake.
>-- 


Rodents don't carry rabies.

I've known rats that turn crazed and vicious when kept all alone in a cage.
The problem with gerbils is that they are known to go through an age during
puberty when they "marry," and will not accept any other gerbils in their
cage than the ones with them at that time, for the rest of their lives.

@@@---Robin Nakkula (the Rat Lady)
From: njl@druhi.ATT.COM (Nancy J. LaRoche)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Emergency rabbit question
Summary: Rabbit does don't come into heat...
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:47:27 GMT
Distribution: rec

First of all, c'mon...this isn't an "emergency."  Emergencies are things
like a bunny with a hairball, wry neck, etc.

In article <1992Nov5.142408.15768@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> bucks urinate on does when they are in heat (the does),

Bucks urinate on does when they (the bucks) are horny.  Does don't come
into heat as do cats and dogs.  It is the action of coupling that causes
the doe to ovulate, not the other way around...  

> but do does urinate on other rabbits? 

Not normally.  But under the circumstances, I wouldn't blame her.  :-)

> cat mounts her minilop female rabbit (the cat is a neutered male), and at
> one point her rabbit leaped in the air (after the requisite 5 minutes of
> standing still and taking it) and sprayed urine everywhere.  My impression
> is that this was excitement/play or stress, not sexual behavior.

I would tend to agree, but who can really know a rabbit?

> what's the answer?  Should I check this rabbit for testicles?

I would.  But remember, this time of year, the testicles are often pulled
up inside, so look for a penis if you don't see the testicles.  Of course,
you should be able to see the sacks of skin even if the testicles are up.

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Presidential Ferret?  Why not?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:39:29 GMT


OK, but why not a presidential Ferret?  I think that would say a lot 
more about a leader.  Imagine the little weasel (the ferret, not the
president) jumping around excitedly, chuckling, and bouncing off the
expensive furniture, and digging around in the dirt?  (Gosh, this is
sounding more and MORE like a president rather than a ferret!)

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Don't blame me; I voted for Perot!                hinzd@picard.med.ge.com 
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.             Pherrets are Phun!!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: hartman@ori.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Re: Another Ferret question
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:38:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.185308.3412@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> clewis@bcarh1d7.bnr.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

>Though, having had experience with nursing a baby least weasel back to health,
>I have a hard time imagining that they'd *ever* make good hunters, let alone
>pets.  Boy am I glad that least weasels never get bigger'n a couple ounces... ;-}

Hey, I want to hear this story, Chris!

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: ferret vomiting
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:50:08 GMT

"karen mcmurray" <karen.mcmurray@canrem.com> writes:

>(And one of them *did* once swallow a piece torn from a rubber glove.
>There was no resulting illness -- just the surprised look on my face
>when I cleaned the litter tray.)

	WARNING!!!  Rubber products, such as balloon bits possibly left
about after a child's party, can be injested by ferrets and can block
the stomach.  Signs are dehydration, a firm belly, skin that does not
return to normal shape quickly when pinched, and a listless carpet shark.
Run that Hoover before you let them play.

	Pandora, age 2 years, albino female.  RIP.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Re: Fierce gerbil!
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:57:11 GMT

In article <BxMCFD.7uv@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mucds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Corey D. Stinson) writes:
>
>  I would hate to turn her loose in the wild, but it is really my only
>choice as I do not want to keep a violent gerbil for a pet.
>

Even if you lived in the Chinese desert, turning a domestic gerbil loose would
likely be a guarenteed death sentence.  Better to humanely euthanize it,
or have a vet do do, than to sentence it to slower death on its own.
---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
From: sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah Stockwell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferret vomiting
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:52:55 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

> In article <VNYSB0AX@cc.swarthmore.edu>, sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah
> Stockwell) says: >Last night Miniver started running around the room 
> frantically, stopping in >a corner and retching, and running to another
> corner.  After several >attempts, she vomited up something that looked like
> it used to be a corn >chip.  She was scared and didn't want me to touch her
> while she was running >around.  She quieted down after about ten minutes,
> and went to sleep.  >Twice more during the course of the night I heard her
> throwing up.  She is >eating and drinking, so I'm not too concerned, but I
> wanted to know if this >is dangerous behavior or if she just has a
> stomachache.  It is possible >that she found an old corn chip behind a desk;
> I had some in my room about >three weeks ago and I haven't swept in the
> interim.  Should I worry?

Miniver is doing much better.  She was sort of subdued for about half a
day, but not dehydrated (by pinch-skin-behind-neck test), and her feces
were normal.  She is back to normal now.  Thanks to all of the wonderful
people who posted or emailed.  It was very helpful! :-)

--Sarah
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From: barberi@watson.bms.com (DEB BARBERI)
Subject: Cat problem-need advice
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:13:00 GMT


My Mom just got a new adult long-haired Calico cat -she's beautiful.  However,
she will NOT poop inside her litter box. She does use it to urinate.  Mom's 
tried changing litter, changing boxes, mothballs, all kinds of tricks.  I'm looking for advice on how to her 
my Mom and the kitty.  Can a problem like this be health related?  She seems
to be afraid of the box.  

Some more background. The cat is spayed and declawed.  She appeared at my 
friend's back doorstep less than one month ago, close to starving, fur 
completely matted, etc.  My friend brought her to a veterinary clinic where 
she spent 4 days being groomed, vacinated, dewormed and boarded for the weekend.  She 
stayed 4 days at my friends and would not poop in the litter box. My friend 
has carpets and decided to try to find a home for her.  Next, she spent 4 days 
at another house - same problem.  Now, she's at my Mom's.  After 1.5 weeks, 
she's not sure she can take it either.

One more thing. She's not very playful.  I'm concerned that the problem is 
health related and that we aren't checking the right things.  We aren't sure 
what else to try or what could be wrong.  Any ideas or info would be 
appreciated.  

Please respond via email.

Thanks,

deb
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Ferret Feeding
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:56:00 GMT
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	Yes, I'm asking some newbie questions about ferret feeding. :)

	One book says "Make sure you get the high protein kitten chow
as opposed to cat chow"
	One says to alternate cat chow with canned cat food to "cut down
on protein intake".
	What gives? Do they need the 35% kitten chow protein or the less-
than-cat-chow protein?

	And is there anything that is poisonous to ferrets (that isn't
poisonous to humans)? For example, you shouldn't let your dog eat
a whole bag of chocolate because it will poison its system... It's just
that Chelsea FINALLY recognized one of the many foods I've offered her
as a snack. She loooves semi-sweet chocolate! (Well, that and chocolate
frozen yogurt. :)) I just want to make sure it won't make her sick.
(Obviously, she only gets treats occasionally and in small amounts. 
Don't need her getting fat...:-))

	Thanks for the help...

--
	" ...dealing with Free-Net makes me very angry  | Heather "Moose"
and gives me thoughts of breaking things and torturing  | Garvey, Biochem 93'
small animals. "   --  Bruce Ikenaga <bxi@po.cwru.edu>  | <hlg@po.cwru.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Subject: Re: rec.pets.ferrets, ferret FAQ ?
Originator: clewis@bcarh1d7
Organization: Ferret Mailing List
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:59:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.163110.1649@udel.edu> hartman@bifur.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:
>Most of the ferret traffic is currently on the ferret mailing list
>(to subscribe, send e-mail to ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca).  
>Although you don't get immediate postings, Chris usually gets them
>out within 24 hours.  And, you don't have to deal with all the jerks
>who like to start flame wars just for the fun of it.

Unless I leave it on autopilot... ;-)

>As for starting rec.pets.ferrets, there are some major issues we have
>to consider:

>CON
>- It would essentially replace the mailing list, thus we would lose all
>  the members from Compuserve, and places like GEnie would no longer be
>  able to read our traffic.  

While it would (probably) replace the mailing list, there's no need to
lose the Compuserve or GEnie people.  One just needs to set up a
(hopefully bidirectional) news->mail gateway.  These are essentially trivial.
Just needs somebody with good connectivity to set it up and administer
the list of subscribers.  And that too can be automated.  Ie: LISTSERV
(not that I'd want it on an IBM mainframe, but ...)

People without access to USENET would "subscribe" and submit messages
just as they do now with the FML, the principle difference is that
there would be no moderator [I hear that the current moderator is a
tyrannical dictator.] - it would exactly mirror the newsgroup and v-v.

>- Many (most?) sites don't like to subscribe to all the "weird" newsgroups.
>  Many people would not even be able to access the group.  So we would
>  lose those people as well.

This isn't really that big an issue.  Way things are, the administrator
would *usually* have to explicitly block it.  I don't imagine anybody
taking rec.pets now would bother killing r.p.f in advance.  They'd
wait until the load got too high.  Sloth is your friend ;-)

>- We would have to deal with idiots who post things like "101 ways to 
>  torture a ferret"

Yeah, but then you wouldn't have to deal with a tyrannical dictator
for a moderator....

Using trn/whatever in thread selecting mode is probably a better solution
unless there's more support for r.p.f than I've seen so far.
--
Chris Lewis, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Tyrannical Dictator^H^H^H^H^H^H^HModerator, Ferret Mailing List
To subscribe, send mail to ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Newsgroups: ieee.general
From: marinos@gmd.de (Louis Marinos)
Subject: ieee standard request
Keywords: ieee 802*
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:12:22 GMT

Dear Colleagues,

I was wandering if there are out there any possibilities to access
IEEE standardization information in an electronic form. I am
interested in IEEE 802* standards.

Any information about possible locations (ftp servers) containing this
information would be welcome.

Thanks in advance,


Louis Marinos

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From: peishuh@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Pei-Shuh F Wang)
Subject: Fuzzy Logis Shareware/Freeware, where?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: ieee
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:12:31 GMT

Do anybody know which FTP site has sharewares regarding Fuzzy logic
system, or any BBS that has things related to this subject?
 Thanks in Advance for any information.

Percy

Peishuh@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: ieee.general
From: Bill Lemon <bill_lemon@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re Engineers for Education
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:13:19 GMT
Organization: Program in Bioengineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:11:04 GMT

  I guess there is no such thing as Engineers for Education.  Thanks for
all of the responses and assistance. (Yeah right)
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