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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 08:48:45 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


We didn't want a walker for Isabel because of all
the potential dangers: tipping, falling, etc. etc.

However, her daycare uses walkers with the wheels
removed, to provide babies with the chance to be
upright part of the time, and Isabel *loved* this-
so her daycare teacher kindly lent us a spare, which
we use at home. An added plus is the fact that the
tray is a perfect place for toys. And, with the
wheels off, the most she can do is slide a bit
(though we still don't leave her in it unless
someone's in the room with her).  At 7 mos,, she's
now happier on the floor, or being helped to "walk", but
the wheel-less walker was GREAT for that time between
3 and 6 mos. when they get so frustrated lying down
all the time.

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jkl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (jon.k.lyons)
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Holmdel, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:28:47 GMT

Many people have commented about Puff_The_Magic_Dragon being thought
to be drug-related:

>>	No!  No, no, no!  Peter Yarrow and Paul Stookie have been
>>	trying to quell this rumor since it started. 

Mike N. comments:

>The song was apparently banned for a time because it believed by 
>"those who decide these things" to be about drugs. I myself
>can see nothing drug related in the lyrics but I know
>verry little about the drug culture of the 60's.

Peter Yarrow was the warm-up act to a concert I attended in the early
'80s, and he told us something like this:

People say that "Puff the Magic Dragon" sounds like a song about drugs.
Consider these elements:

Puff:    what you do to a reefer
Magic:   all drugs are magic
Dragon:  take a "drag on" a reefer, ...
lived:   people live for their drugs
sea:     "C" is cocaine
Paper:   what you roll your smoks up in
strings, sealing wax, and other fancy stuff:  drug paraphernalia

Anyway, you get the idea.  The frolicking in the mist could be drug
parties, the rest could be examples of halucinations, etc.

Peter Yarrow went on to say, as has been reported here, that all that
was crazy; that you could find "hidden" meaning in almost any song, if
you try hard enough.  He then used the example of the "Star Spangled
Banner":

O say can you see ("C"-- cocaine)
by the dawn's early light
what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming
   (most drug parties are talked up, and are at night and stretch to morning)

Rockets red glare and stars bursting in air (wild drug-induced trip)

[He went on and on about it, and made quite a case.]

He ended by saying that it's all a bunch of bunk, and that Puff the Magic
Dragon is a coming-of-age song about a little boy.

-- 
Jon Lyons                                            jon.k.lyons@att.com
AT&T Bell Laboratories                               att!jon.k.lyons
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:44:39 GMT
Distribution: na

Laura Utt writes:

<			Toys Summary
<			------------
<stuff deleted>
<
<	6 months to 1 year
<	------------------
<	balls				      5
<	books & magazines 	  	      4
<	books (board & plastic)  	      3
<	activity gym                          3
<	stackable blocks	              2
<	walker w/ handle for pushing          2
<	plastic hammer that squeaks           2
<	shape sorter		              2
<	musical mobil		              2
<	rattle balls		              2
<	musical box		              2
<	paper (envelopes w/ plastic windows)  2
<	a spoon			       	      2
<	their pacifier			      2

Regarding the books and magazines, are there any specific titles?  Does 
this mean mom or dad reads the books/magazines or that the kid just likes 
to tear them up?  (you mean there's a use for all those Communications we
were saving?)

If anyone has any titles, could they please share them with me?  I've been
looking for a sturdy book with lots of pretty pictures.

diana
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Nudity in an Unsafe Toddler
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 01:35:39 GMT

In article <FHNcqB2w165w@xocolatl.com> ssmith@xocolatl.com writes:
>Unsafe because he isn't yet completely potty trained.
>
>Any hints for getting him to keep his clothes on?  Especially the
>underwear....
>

Well, here's my $0.04 (2 cents/kid).  My children both toilet trained best
when naked.  Erin will accidentally pee in her underwear, but NEVER has
an accident when naked.  (And she's only 2.25 brag brag).  So we actually
encourage her to run around naked.  The only time she wears clothes is to
go out and then she wears a pull-up.  I'd like to get her training naked
solidified about another month and then start putting her in underwear (besides,
the weather is starting to cool off some).

Mitchell was also a nudist at heart.  Now he wears underwear and a T-shirt.
He learned why boys wear underwear when climbing a tree naked (ouch).  And
he learned why people wear T-shirts when falling off his rope ladder (ouch ouch).

Basically I'd let the child be naked, remind them once an hour or so that they
should go sit on the potty (until they start doing it themselves) and if they
have an accident, give them a towel to clean it up with.  If you have carpet,
I recommend Nature's Miracle for the smell.  We have 39 year old linoleum and
figure we can wait two more years before we replace it ;-)




-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My mom made nigiri (rice balls) for me when I was a child -- basically,
she wet her hands, put a pinch of salt in her palm, and rolled a scoop of
rice into a ball for me.  Japanese rice (brands that you find in the Asian
grocery stores, not at the local supermarket) tends to stick together quite
nicely when compressed.  (She wet her hands to keep the rice from sticking
to her hands instead of in a ball, and the salt was for flavoring as well
as to keep the rice from sticking.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.170938.493@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes...
>In article <1992Aug25.202607.5686@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> tran@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (Tien Tran) writes:
>>I overheard something interesting while shopping over the weekend.  A young
>>boy was looking at some toy irons on display.
>>
>>Boy:  Can I get one, Daddy?
>>Dad:  No!
>>Boy:  Why not?  It's only a toy.
>>Dad:  Yeah, but only girls iron.  Those are girls' toys.
>>Boy:  Oh, really?  I didn't know that.
> 
> 
>I guess at some point I'll have to explain that we're fortunate, and a
>lot of people don't have someone to help with the chores.  Then I'll
>show her that Daddy indeed can iron a shirt without burning the house
>down (I think).
> 
Well, in my house, the ironing board only comes out for three specific
events - 1. I need to iron on a patch, 2. I am sewing and the fabric
needs pressing (pretty rare, anymore, sewing, that is), and, big
drumroll, 3. Grandma visits. She irons everything. Thank heavens
for permanent press and clothes dryers!

                     Patti Twigg
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:33:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My doctor did not have any problems with my eating sushi, but I was told
to keep away from raw beef (the only other kind of raw meat I eat).  The
danger of raw beef is not only toxoplasmosis but apparently some other
awful possibility that I can't recall right now (spina bifida?  -- no, 
that's a danger from eating dark spots on potatoes)....

A lot of the raw fish you get at sushi bars has been frozen beforehand 
(in the shipping process) -- flash frozen, so it doesn't lose its texture
like it does if you put it in your freezer! -- and the freezing kills off
any bacteria that might be present.  I believe this is why she wasn't too
concerned with my eating sushi (which I do about 3-4 times a month).

And I try not to handle any raw chicken, and if I do, I wash with soap
immediately!!!  Also, my husband takes care of the cat litter box.....
I don't eat raw eggs either (another source of salmonella).
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:29:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

You start using the booster when the kids outgrows his carseat.  For
the strap-and-shield type this is when their ears are over the top
of the back or when the straps come out below their shoulders.  My
son will be five next month and still fits in his Fisher-Price.

Consumer Reports top-rated the Geryy booster.  It's nice because you
belt in in and leave it -- it has its own belt for the kid.

That said, does anyone in the Palo Alto area want to loan me a carseat
for a few months?  Like I said, Alan still fits in his Fisher-Price
(so does Jeff, just turned three) and Anna is almost out of her baby
seat.  I hate to buy another seat when Alan will probably not fit in
it for much longer and Anna can use his then.  But I hate to put Alan
in a booster when he still fits in the safer carseat.  I mean, how would
I feel if there was an accident and he was in a booster and was injured
and I had to think, if only I had kept his carseat....

		--  maggie

-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, PLEASE READ! Please help!
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 05:42:31 GMT

kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley) writes:


>Hi Gayle...I can hear how worried and concerned you are for your little boy. 
> It must be hard to let go.  I assume that the cout has taken into account 
>your child's age and breastfeeding, and this is why he is going to his 
>father for the daytime.

Well, it seems my lawyer had "forgotten" the FACTS of my case and brought
nothing up but the monitor. Also - I screwed up - Josh is 10 months old,
not 19. As this is my first time at breastfeeding, and after losing a son,
I had decided, with advice from LLL, to let him wean himself.
Nothing had been covered as far as the damages of separation, and he still
nurses anywhere from 1-4 hours, depending on his mood. My doctor seems to
think he should go 8 hours, but Josh doesn't seem to agree!!

>Why is it so important for you to provide breastmilk for him while he is 
>with his father?  Is he on a milk free diet?  Is he eating solid foods?

He eats vegetables and fruit twice a day, and other snacks - but still 
nurses very frequently. I guess I'm making up for time missed with Jordan, or
I just want to do the best for my son since he's had so many problemswith reflux - or both. I just want him to be ok.

>I'm so sorry for your anguish, and ?I hope it goes well...I support you in 
>nursing your older baby, and hope it will not be too traumatic for him, even 
>though it will be for you.  It seems that his father has a right to access, 
>and the court are enforcing it...Have you covered the emotional needs he has 
>to be with you?  How often does he nurse?  How does he go to sleep?  What 
>about the trauma of separation?  Have these angles been covered?

I HOPE, since I think I have another lawyer now, to be able to cover that,
especially as often as he eats it could cause me infections, at least that's
what I've heard. As of today I'm in contempt, I'm keeping my fingers crossed
that someone will listen to me(in court), and think of my son and the fact
that visitation - short maybe, has been offered.

>father all have rights.  I hope the baby's rights are treated with utnost 
>sensitivity......If not, fight!
I am - and THANKS. Many thanks to all those who have offered advice,
especially Bonita and Camille - I have been so busy I haven't been able to 
write, but since I couldn't sleep - here I am.  Keeping my fingers crossed for 
justice!

Gayle
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.  - Shakespeare
  What's black & brown and looks good on a lawyer?     A doberman :-)
                        - gayle@disk.uucp -
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Idle amusements...
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:43:36 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin, PA


  My kids have recently spent 3 evenings in a row having me "paint" their
toenails with washable markers.  They select the color, and I do one nail
on each foot with it, switch kids, and repeat the process, over, and over
and over.  It is definately what I'd call a low-difficulty sure fire
entertainment, and it washes off (some take longer than others to come
off; highlighters take the longest).  Pretty funny too, as they pick the
most outrageous colors!  By the way, they are a 2.5 year old girl and
a 5.5 year old boy who happily hasn't yet learned that necklaces and 
nail color are just for girls...
 
					Susanne Gilliam
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 01:50:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.030628.23546@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <3880119@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> olney@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Doug Olney) writes:
>>
>>	   o Have experience with sand they would like to share?
>>	   
>
>The surface I see recomended most is (yikes this far into the article and
>I cant remember the correct term) wood chips. You need 6-9 inches deep.
>It is also cheaper then sand.
>

Well, we first tried woodchips, because of the net.advice.  The problem with
woodchips is that they stick to bare feet and are uncomfortable.  My children
absolutely quit playing on their slide when we had woodchips.  Also, the dog
preferred the woodchips for pooping and it is hard to tell a piece of dog poop
from a wood chip when scooping ;-(

So, we switched to sand.  The slide is now actively used.  And we have no
problems with cats or the dog.  Perhaps having a dog is why we have no problems
with cats.  They don't come in our yard.  Yes, it gets wet.  But that doesn't 
make it unsafe, just not as soft.  After all, wet sand is still softer than
green cement (which is what occupies the rest of our yard - yuck).

The disadvantages of sand, however, are that it sticks to kids feet and is
therefore tracked throughout the house.  They play with sand and put it in
their pockets and then decide to nap in YOUR bed ;-(  And the sand is hard to
keep clean from rocks, sticks, etc. 

Of course, from a kids point of view, sand is the best thing since mother's
milk!  So if you don't mind changing your sheets after going to bed, regular
vacuuming, and sand all over the yard, go for it.  

Our next choice will be grass.  A nice thick carpet of fescue mixes cut slightly
long to give a soft cushion for falling babies and mommy's bare feet.  Maybe
in 1995 ;-(

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Re; Farrow and Allen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:06:31 GMT

lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:


>I'm happy to consider Allen innocent until proven
>guilty as far as the daughter is concerned.  A man
>who would cross boundaries in adult sexual relationships
>isn't necessarily a man who would molest a child,
>and there isn't proof so far.

Assuming she was an adult when it started of course.  Nobody is
sure how old Soon-Yi is.  (True, the other charge does require a bit
more evidence.)

>But I don't see how the child of the mother of
>his children can be anything other than his
>stepdaughter.  The fact that they didn't marry
>doesn't matter, since they were parents together.
>Legally, it isn't incest, but morally, it has
>all the same repercussions as any stepparent/stepchild
>relationship, and so qualifies as incest.  Why would
>the legal formality of a marriage license make
>any difference?

>Lynn Gazis-Sax

Woody Allen apparently doesn't even think the legal formality of an
adoption certificate makes a difference.  According to an AP story in
Sunday's paper (today) Woody says:

	"I am not Soon-Yi's father or stepfather ... I've never
	even lived with Mia.  I have never in my life slept in 
	Mia's apartment.  I was not any type of father to her
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	adopted kids in any sense of the word ... I didn't feel
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	that just because she was Mia's daughter there was any
	moral dlimma."

Now, pardon me if I'm wrong, but I sure thought he went through formal
adoption proceedings with at least three of Mia's adopted children.
Yet he claims that he's "not any type of father".  

Truer words were never spoken....

I can't wait to see his newest movie - "Honey, I Screwed the Kid."  :)

Steve Kellmeyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson)
Subject: Re: oleander plants, how deadly?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:53:05 GMT


I grew up in South Florida, where 
there are lots of oleander plants.  I remember a story going around about
some teenagers who roasted hot dogs and marshmellows on oleander sticks and
died from it (I don't know if this was just a regional rumor or if it was true)>I also remember being told to keep away from the big black catapillars that fed
on the trees, because they also were poisonous.
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:16:07 GMT
Organization: nyet

Hope I got the attributions correctly 8-)

In article <1992Aug26.214446.9692@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <N2KTJ.92Aug25113940@sun102.cci.com> n2ktj@sun102.cci.com (Darren Swartzendruber) writes:
>
>>And what about those kids trying to fly from the 4th floor after seeing
>>Superman (or some other similar show)?  It's all relative isn't it?
>
>Not the same thing at all.  We're talking about what parents teach their
>children.  Parents don't teach their kids that Superman is real.

That last is an awfully general statement.  Even if it is true,
though, the problem is that there is some large number of parents
who neglect to teach that Superman and other such fantastical personages
aren't real.  It probably doesn't make a difference, except for
those kids who *do* jump off a building wearing a bath towel.

So, then, how does one tell whether it's important or not?  I
don't know, except that it's likely to be more difficult than
telling a person's age by taking a core sample and counting the
rings.
-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: sf08@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SUZANNE FISHER)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: CPR (was choking)
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:36:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



My advice, for what it is worth, is that anyone worried about their child
choking should sign up themselves, and their babysitters, for a CPR class. As
a CPR instructor, I think it is very important to know what to do. Infant and
Child CPR classes include a lot of saft stuff too. Classes are available
through hospitals, or check with your doctor, or call the American Heart
Association. It is worth what ever you have
to pay to learn.

-- 
Suzanne Fisher      sf08@Lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Cesearian Births (was Justin's birth story)
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:18:50 GMT

In article <menon.715103081@beagle> menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi Menon) writes:
>
>Perhaps it is the risk of things going wrong that is the problem...not just
>the attitude.  My stomach muscles do not even know they exist anymore.  I

Yep, I had that problem after my first c-section, but not the second.  I'm
7 weeks postpartum now and have no problem with situps or other exercise,
taken in moderation.

>have a very weird sensation problem with the skin and tissue from the area
>about one inch below the transverse incision site, to about 4 inches above my
>navel.  I can feel light touch, and itches, but I cannot feel scratches,pokes
>or heavy touch.  Ezra's almost 10 months old now, and I am beginning to wonder
>why more sensation hasn't returned.  I'm not too sure how important it is
>to have sensation in that region, but nonetheless, I don 't like the lack of
>sensation.

The lack of sensation is normal and may continue for some time more, but
probably will never return to it's full state.  I still couldn't feel the scar
right before the second one (and that was over three years after the first).
I haven't had other surgery to compare it to, but my husband has problems
with his apendectomy scar (lack of sensation right on the scar) and that
was when he was 12! (He's 37.)

I had before, and have again, a place of total surface numbness as a result
of the anesthesia.  The last time, it was in my left toes.  This time, there's
a patch on the outside of my right thigh.  Very weird, but normal with
epidurals, sometimes.  The numbness wore away about 4-5 months before so
I suspect it will take that long again.

>
>Also, it took about 5 months for me to fully recover from a c-section.  I have
>nothing to compare it to, but I feel a vaginal birth wouldn't have taken such
>a long recovering time--incision settling is only now flattening from the
>keloids.  So, I don't think it is just an attitude.  A cesarean is much more
>invasive and destructive to the woman's body.  Thus, it takes longer to recover.
>

What do you mean by "fully recover"?  I feel fully recovered now, at 7 weeks
but am not 100% of what I was prior.  My body has undergone major surgery
and I know it won't be the same again.  However, I have no ill feelings about
my experience or c-sections in general--I had no choice, I am simply too
small and my babies have too big heads to give birth vaginally.  The main
problem I have with c-sections is society's insistance of a vaginal birth
being so great and wonderful.  Many women feel failure after an emergency or
unexpected c-section.  If society didn't feel that vaginal birth was just
about the only way to go, then I feel that these women wouldn't feel so
bad after delivering a baby by a section.


>Deantha
>
>
Jennifer