From: pnevmati@milhouse.cs.wisc.edu (Dionisios N. Pnevmatikatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:34:07 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

zoltan@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Zoltan Schreter) writes:

>I often wonder reading this newsgroup how it is possible that not a single 
>Greek has an opinion different from the official Greek position.

If you read S.C.Greek for a while or know little bits about Greece, you
would also know that Greeks generally have widespread opinions about
any subject. (see the percentages of political parties, opinion about
domestic and foreign policies and so on). I don't believe that we are
brainwashed, especially since most of the people that post in this
newsgroup live outside of Greece anyway!!!!! (Don't tell me that I got
brainwashed here in Wisconsin-Madison, nor that I got brainwashed 4
years ago before I came here).

The mere fact that all of us, even widespread around the globe have the
same feelings should tell you something about their validity.

>I only saw similar behaviour in citizens of the previous Eastern Block.
>(remember the 99.83 % votes for the communist governments?)
>However, while those people could claim fear being their motive to parrot
>the official positions so closely, modern day Greeks do not have this
>excuse.

Hmmm, I would say that a certain country on the North of Greece that claims
the name Macedonia is Ex-Communist. I would also say that a guy called Tito
had something to do with the whole story. So, I guess since they are
ex-communists, it's OK to claim whatever they want, we will excuse them
since they have a good excuse. We Greeks are not ex-communists so we
better be careful with what we say?

>        I addition, my impression is that most of these Greek defenders
>of their supposed heritage have a bad - aggressive, arrogant - attitude
>in this issue. Show me a counter example, if I am not correct, but postings

Here is US there is a controversy about football teams using Indian symbols
for their maskots. Would you say that the indians are aggressive and
arrogant since they don't want their symbols to be used by people that have
absolutely no relation with them?

Also there were demonstartions (some even violent) by native americans on
Colombus day. I guess they were arrogant too.

So how would you react if you felt that your heritage was stolen?
How would you feel if suddenly your city was depicted as part of another
country in a map? ( I refer to the new map that extends "Macedonia" south
to mount Olympus) But I guess Macedonia extends to about Lybia isn;t it
:-)

>like I am answering now seem to prove my point.

Why don;t you try to compare the postings from both sides. Are they any
different? (I forgot, they are ex-communists so they have a good excuse).

At least there is a discussion (if you don;t like it you have kill files
to get rid of it) unlike other postings such as Mutlu and variants, that
basicaly are dumps of ____ information (you choose the adjective).
I believe that's what newsgroups are for.

>Zoltan Schreter
>University of Tasmania at Hobart
>Australia

Regards

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