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From: satan@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew James Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,wpi.students.politics
Subject: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS (INEPTNESS)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 18:48:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

PC is bullshit!

PC is just another bit of facist politics invading another facet of our
everyday lives - namley freedom expression.

PC: Let's have everyone use the same exact vocabulary, that we the elitists
have developed, so that noone is ever offended by the words we use in our
various modes of communication.  

ME: i have nothing against being polite (though I do have something against
this left shift key that isn't working), but i don't take kindly to being 
told that i will have to express myself in a specific manner as outlined
by some authority.  i received many an F in high school for writing my own
way.  

No matter what terminology some group develops (i.e. terms like physically
challenged, womyn, etc. ) society can twist it in such a way that it is 
acceptable or derogatory.  Bitch is a female dog and a nigger is a stupid 
person  and queer means 'odd' (by dictionary standards), but society has 
turned them into insults and racial slurs.  Yes, we can develop pretty 
titles, like physically challenged, which soften the truth, but sooner or
later that will be derogatory, whether by connotation or voice inntonation.
Why don't we just refer to people's disabilities and races by their latin
roots - its a dead and neutral language - why not?  I'm just kidding about
the latin. Its bogus and silly.  Rather than arguue over silly shit like
PC, why don't we spend our time and resources helping the poor and homeless-
or should i say 'the economically challenged'?

A Caucasian Male by the login of...

Satan  - (is that politically correct? does this make me religiously 
	  challenged or deranged? i guess  i will never get to be 
	  supreme court justice. well, i did inhale...)
















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From: dani@infopls.chi.il.us (Danijela Mlinaric)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: q
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:38:42 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

q

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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,rec.photo
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: photomanipulation
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:12:41 GMT

In article <BxILwB.EE9@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

[...]

>More a case of censorship than manipulation: when Bassam Shaka'a, the Arab
>mayor of Nablus on the West Bank, was bombed by Israeli terrorists, only
>one UK paper ran the whole of the photo the agencies gave them.  That
>showed Shaka'a full-length in his hospital bed with his legs blown off at
>the knees.  Other papers gutted the impact of the picture by only showing
>him from the waist up.

This is certainly not an example of censorship.  Censorship, strict
practice in virtually all Arab states, prevents information from being
disseminated.  At best, this was editorial manipulation, an
unfortunately common practice in even the best newspapers today.

In the NY City subway system, there has been an ad by The Discovery
Channel with a photo of 2 guys in a Kayak, apparently right next to
the tail fin of a submerging whale, with the caption "Get This Close".

It's a pretty good picture except that the trees in the background and
the flatness of the water make me feel that there was no whale in the
original image and that it is made up of more than one image.  But I
must say, it does look good; it's just not right. 

-- 
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American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: sdw@bugatti (Stephen Williams)
Subject: Re: Japan on the Ohio River
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:16:55 GMT
Distribution: alt.censorship

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
: In article <3039@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays) writes:
: > Everybody's talking about censoring the Madonna book in Japan.  It's
: > not necessary to go so far afield.  On the radio on the way in this
: > morning, they said that there is a movement afoot to ban the
: > book in Cincinnati.  This isn't hard to believe at all.  Cincy is
: > a beautiful city (as anyone who's seen it by night can attest), but
: > it's incredibly uptight.  Absolutely nothing in any way questionable
: > or lewd seems to be permitted there.  Remember that this is the same
: > city that would not allow the Grateful Dead to perform a few years
: > ago (seems they bring in a bad element).  Their reaction to anything
: > in "Bad Taste" is to sew their anuses shut a little tighter and
: > stand firm.  Oh, and speaking of Mapplethorpe, they tried to keep
: > his photos from being shown there, although I don't know if they 
: > succeeded.
: 
: 	They shut down the exhibit, but lost the case.  (I think...)
: 
: 	But the same prosecutor that shut down the exhibit said he has no
: problems with the Madonna book.  As he puts it:
: 	
: 	There's no beastiality, no penetration, no child pornography.  The
: people who have called to complain haven't even seen the book.
: 
: 	Guess their sphincters are loosening up.
: 
: Brett

From being screwed in court!!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself....

sdw
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,alt.sex.movies
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Porn in the USA (48 Hours)
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:18:56 EST

In article <BxzHE6.J9D@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>The most interesting segment to me was on Christian recovering "porn
>addicts".
>
>My impression was that their sex problems neither started nor ended
>with porn. They mentioned all kinds of illicit sex (peeping, exposure,
>sex with prosititutes, etc. etc.). Their complusion to view porn
>seemed like the least of their problems.
>
>I can believe that they had/have a compulsion for illicit sexual
>activity. But what causes this? (I don't think it was porn.) Is it
>just "random" or is it caused by early sexual repression?

I agree.  It seems pretty clear that these folks have some serious
sexually-related psychological problems.  (Well, I guess more serious than
most of the rest of us! :)


In any case, I was disappointed that 48 hours mentioned "No study has ever
shown that pornography causes violent behavior" but *failed* to point out
that some very biased, and very well-funded zealots (including people in
our own government) have frequently tried to demonstrate the existence of
such a link, and have failed miserably.

I was also somewhat disappointed that Andrea Dworkin was given so little
opportunity to show her ideas.  She seems to be one of those people whose
credibility (in most others' eyes) is inversely proportional to how long
you hear her talk...


-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,rec.photo
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: photomanipulation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:31:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov19.001241.25348@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>In the NY City subway system, there has been an ad by The Discovery
>Channel with a photo of 2 guys in a Kayak, apparently right next to
>the tail fin of a submerging whale, with the caption "Get This Close".

>It's a pretty good picture except that the trees in the background and
>the flatness of the water make me feel that there was no whale in the
>original image and that it is made up of more than one image.  But I
>must say, it does look good; it's just not right. 

I've seen the same picture (probably) in a book on nature photography.
Assuming it is the same picture, it's real all right, but it was shot
with a long telephoto lens.  The boat and the whale were not nearly as
close as they appear.
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Banning Sex-related echoes
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:38:04 GMT

Lemme see if I got this straight:
 
One person entered a few kiddie porn messages in one sex area so two
universities shut down ALL the sex related areas on their systems???
 
So what's stopping this guy from posting them in ANY echo?  If he
posted it in fan.madonna, would they shut down that echo?
 
(Please say yes.)
 
                                        Nik

Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: equnlivn@unix1.tcd.ie (Eoin P. O'Coindealbhain)
Subject: Re: Restrictions about pro-life meetings
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:41:04 GMT

In <Bxvs5u.Bz5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian) writes:

> By the way; heckling, tearing down posters and similar disruptions are
> rude, but they aren't censorship.  Governments censor, individuals       
> don't. 
		I question your statement that only governments
	censor,government has the the most powerful form of 
	censorship(the law) but individuals/groups also have
	a strong hand when it cones to censorship.The best 
	example of this is the Media manipulation of 
	information,this normaly doesn't mean lies but the
	careful manipulation of words and being sparse with
	the truth,things that don't suit your case become
	"alleged" incidents or get assigned to the back 
	pages or get lost altogether.
		Then there is the use of labels,you can be
	ProLife/AntiChoice/RightWing or ProChoice/AntiLife/
	LeftWing depending on which side you look from.
		Probably the best example of being  careful
	in your revolation of the facts is the condemnation
	of Sinead O'Connor by many groups because she ripped
	up a picture of the Pope,many of theis groups
	(especialy some WASP and Pro-Choice/Anti-Life groups)
	have been condemning the Pope for years,but now it
	suits them to support them.
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,alt.sex.movies
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: Porn in the USA (48 Hours)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 10:32:49 GMT


>I was also somewhat disappointed that Andrea Dworkin was given so
>little opportunity to show her ideas.  She seems to be one of those
>people whose credibility (in most others' eyes) is inversely proportional
>to how long you hear her talk...
 
     You can bet the promoters of this anti-porn garbage know this.

Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: ad815@yfn.ysu.edu (John S. Kennedy)
Subject: Right to Free Speech on Computer Networks
Reply-To: ad815@yfn.ysu.edu (John S. Kennedy)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:01:46 GMT


As some of you may know, there is a computer system in Cincinnati, Ohio
called "Tri-State Online".  It is operated by Cincinnati Bell Directory. 
They advertised TSO as a "community access BBS", and yet it is anything but
...

The entire story is a tremendously long one that I do not have the time to
do into here, but, the jist of the story is that I was removed from
Tri-State Online ostensibly because I used some of the "Carlin Seven" words
in a private email mailing list that happened to include some individuals
under the age of 18.

Up until recently, no one thought that I had a chance of fighting my
banning.  Someone suggested that I take my story to the ACLU.  I bumped
into someone from the ACLU on GEnie and he said that they are only
interested in cases involved GOVERNMENT restrictions on personal liberties.
Someone else suggested that I post here.

I have speculated that I may be in a shaky position under current law ...
but ... the question would therefore be ... can the law be changed?

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

                   John
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From: 5g72wheelerj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: FURTHERMORE, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS . . .
Date: 19 Nov 1992 04:15:43 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5g72wheelerj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

I liken the PC situation in the academia to Socrates' Athens after the
Thirty Tyrants, and I have been forced to employ a portion of his 
method: I'm reluctant to say what I actually think on many issues;
It seems that in our culture of complaint, we want to rename anything
unpleasant in the hope that it will go away.

I pray that the fervor follows in the footsteps of the death of 
McCarthyism - even its staunch advocates will begin to recognize
the sheer destructiveness it launches upon open and effective
discourse.  

                                 11-19, Milwaukee, WI
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.fan.madonna,soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.sex,rec.arts.books
From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.fan.madonna,alt.sex,soc.libraries.talk
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Reply-To: sean@freds.cojones.com
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:56:00 GMT

I should mention two things related to the book from Juneau, Alaska. 
The first is that someone recently had anonymously donated a copy of
"Sex" to the Alaska State Library.  Their official response was
something along the lines of "This is not the sort of thing we
collect - we'll decide at a later date how to dispense of it."  (Yeah,
right - someone who works at the library probably took it home so he
could have something new with which to jack off at night)  The other
item of note is that both of the primary booksellers in town (Juneau's
population is about 27,000) had initially refused to carry the book. 
I seem to recall that they returned the initial shipments that were
sent to them.  I don't know if they have reversed their stances since
then.

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From: apohl@unixg.ubc.ca (Derrick Pohl)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Sex Censorship
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:28:28 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Summary: Sex related newsgroups banned from usenet at University of British Colu
Keywords: sex censorship internet

Recently all sex-related newsgroups have been banned from the usenet here
at the University of British Columbia.  I'm new to the usenet/internet
(I'm still not sure what each of these is), so I don't have any idea what
these newsgroups are called or what was on them.  Those responsible for
banning them (primarily the president's office) mentioned things like evil
lewd stories of rape and pillage, and people ogling animated porn on the
their computers at the office making female coworkers nearby
uncomfortable.  How much of this ever really happened or existed is
anyone's guess.  The language the administration, and particularly
university President David Strangway, used in justifying this was really
colourful, foaming at the mouth stuff, referring to a poison pervading the
university's community, corrupting and rotting moral fibre, and other
Strangelovesque phrases.

So now we can't even see these newsgroups listed when we ask for an
overview of available newsgroups.  Punching in a keyword like "sex" to
search for results in nothing.  It's like sex never existed on the internet.

What I'm wondering is this:  Are these newsgroups really so evil and
dangerous?  Are there no reasonable, progressive discussions of matters
sexual in them, or anywhere in the entire newsnet?  Have any other
institutions taken this step?  Would they even be able to in the U.S.
without transgressing constitutional guarantees of free speech, or is this
just one of the virtues of living in clean asexual Canada?  Am I wrong to
be just a teensy bit outraged by this?

Derrick Pohl
apohl@unixg.ubc.ca
Sorry, no cute ASCII pix or moving sentiments at this time.....
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From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex
Subject: Re: TV Show: 48hrs The War on Pornography
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:45:21 GMT
Organization: Blackriver Recorporations, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

In article <trussell.722049896@cwis>, trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> 
>>On CBS tomorrow, at 10pm/9pm Central, will be a _48 Hours_ show titled
>>"Porn in the U.S.A.
> 
>     Additionally, it appears that Dateline NBC at 10pm/9pm tonight will
> have the topic of "Children and pornography", according to the local paper.
> 

         One of the local stations is having "Sex: are you normal?"

         Is it sweeps week AGAIN?

-- 
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 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Porn, sex, and why do people NEED it?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:17:26 GMT

Carl mentioned that people like to link sexual deviance and
pornography.  I have a theory as to why people NEED extreme sexual
weirdness in some societies.
 
Take the US or Canada.  The general rule is: no sex on tv, no real
sexuality anywhere.  Very repressed, very unsexual.  Moms and dads
having to give "birds and bees" talks, etc.
 
So when you need a sexual release, it has to be extreme!  Porn tapes
that consist of nothing but sex in the most ridiculous situations.
Pornography would be more intelligent if there were more "normal"
outlets for sexual matters.  As it is now, there isn't ANY are of
society where you can show sexual matters along with other things, so
you end up with a highly specialized, highly sexed area.  Graphic porn
tapes.  If society could admit we were sexual creatures and allow some
sex on TV, I'm sure pornography wouldn't be as stupid as it is.
 
The porn tapes I've seen consist of man, woman, and bad music and lots
of moaning.  Sometimes, loud silly slurping that amuses more than
tantalises.

The intelligent porn that I've seen has been mainly from Penthouse:
Variations Magazine, Hot Talk, and Forum.  Although at times the
writing is just plain ridiculous, "her hot womanhood dripped a
glistening droplet of sweat which splashed on my hard straining etc.",
it also deals with intelligent sexual questions, fantasies, etc.
 
We'd see more of this type of "porn" if society could just lighten up.
Then we'd see less of "hot she-bitches in lesbo lust land".

                                        Nik
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Banning Sex-related echoes
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:23:34 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau28.ira.uka.de

In article <gj156879.722414284@cunews> gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>Lemme see if I got this straight:
> 
>One person entered a few kiddie porn messages in one sex area so two
>universities shut down ALL the sex related areas on their systems???
> 
>So what's stopping this guy from posting them in ANY echo?  If he
>posted it in fan.madonna, would they shut down that echo?

You're dead right. I know of persons who would, finding a single porn
picture crossposted (for sake of better distribution) to
comp.os.linux,alt.dreams,sci.math,talk.politics.misc,rec.bicycles
would shut down 
comp.os.linux,alt.dreams,sci.math,talk.politics.misc,rec.bicycles.

I even know of people (among them *actual news users*) who would
*demand* having shut them down. (Representing the interest of
students, they claim.)

For every person with no brain, you'll ever find another person with
even less brain. :-(

olaf
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