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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Mr. Basketball: How many repeats?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:59:35 GMT

mthorpe@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Matthew Thorpe) writes:


>   I was wondering how many H.S. players have been named Mr. Basketball
> (or whatever it is called in each state) more than once.  Someone
> told me that Chris Corchiani was Mr. B twice in Florida.
> Are there any more?

	My guess would be Greg Simpson in Ohio, pending if he won the
	award this season (he won it last year as a junior).  Also, I believe
	Jimmy Jackson was a 2-time winner.

	It might be tough to win Mr.Basketball more than once in many states.
	In Kentucky, for example, only high school seniors are eligible for
	the award.

	Jazzy J
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From: cew@cloud2.met.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Keywords: Pathetic
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:53:02 GMT
Reply-To: cew@cloud2.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department

In article <12005@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, welin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Wentsung Lin) writes...
>I just cannot believe the officiating during this year's tournament.
>The ref's allowed Duke to give a lot of "cheap shots" without calling
>any of them.  Duke should have lost to UK as Laetner should have been
>ejected.  Duke also should have lost to IU if the ref's officiated the
>game fairly.  (By the way, IU players did commit most of those fouls,
>the problem is that the ref's gave too many no-calls to Duke fouls.)
>Tonight, there was not as much controversial calls as last couple
>games, but the refs continued the no-call to Duke fouls.  So many
>times I saw Michigan players got push around under the basketball,
>so many times I saw Duke big guys (CL and Parks) over the back of
>the UM players, so many times I saw Duke players reach-in...and
>the ref's just stood around.
> 
>The college Basketball season finally over, and this year's big
>winner is the NCAA and the ref's.  No, Duke did NOT win the Final
>Four.  Other teams just lost to the ref's.
> 
>One final thought, I have no respect for those who try to make up
>stupid excuses instead admitting the wrong doings.  Laetner did
>intentional step on UK player and what the UK player did was trying
>to stop Laetner from driving to the basket.  He did not undercut
>Laetner, although he got to the spot late which the ref called the
>blocking on him.
> 
>This season's over.  What an ugly finish.  Hope next year will be
>better!  Go Ball State!  Go Hoosiers! and Go Iowa Hawks!
> 
>W.T.L.

Please keep these pathetic "refs threw the game" comments off the net.  What 
a whiner! Have you been taking lessons from the Crying Fab 5?  Give Duke some 
credit for great defense and hanging tough while tired and worn down from 
the IU game.  I thought Grant Hill played fabulously and drove the baseline
like a real pro.  Though Laettner played a horrendous first-half, Duke still
hung in there and just extended their lead in the last 10 minutes of the game
with Laettner and Hill's play.  It looked like Michigan really let up in the
last 3 minutes (similar to the Duke-FSU game) and just rolled over while Duke
went a'dunkin'   Great job DUKE!!!!  Congratulations!!!
From: craig@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner on Arsenio Hall
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:44:30 GMT
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navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:

>ANyone see the interview? Laettner shat :) next to Arsenio and poor 
>Davis sat in the stands with the rest of the audience. What an ass Laettner
>is! You think he could have insisted his "friend" get some air time too.

Did anyone else wonder why Laettner took Brian out to L.A. instead
of his "girlfriend"?  On the other hand, maybe he did :-) :-) :-)

(please, please note the smileys).

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Yet ANOTHER "What ever happened to..."
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:31:42 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Walter Berry.
	6'8" F-C out of St. John's.
	National Player of the Year, 1986.
	
	From what I remember, Berry was indeed one of the all-time great
	playground legends out of the Bronx.  He had a great career at St.
	John's, but opted to leave 1-year early for the NBA.  It seemed like
	he had one of those "journeyman" careers -- playing for several
	teams, the last of which, I believe was the Houston Rockets.  Rumor
	has it he's now playing in Europe.  Anybody know?

	Just curious,
	Jazzy J
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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:33:13 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Apr8.140617@mccall.com>
scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ason R Holdman) writes:
>>	Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>>Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>>worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss
>>It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers!
>>
>I don't remember hearing about the '89 Championship damage.  What is it
>about the state of Michigan people?  Riot every time there is a
>championship?

I am not a Michigan fan but have watched the action in the state of Michigan
and I do recall the "riots" in Ann Arbor.   This year, though, it appears
that the police may have exaggerated the "riot".  Apparently, some guys
threw some things at the press, the police moved in and got a few things
thrown at them, they then ordered the tear gas shot into the entire crowd.
There were mostly eye witness accounts to the effect that "there was no
problem until the tear gas which just inflamed the situation."  Five
people were arrested and interestingly none of them attend Michigan.
One was from Illinois, however, but I wouldn't conclude that Illinois
people are rioters.
From: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu (JACK)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU/DUKE Officials
Keywords: IU, Bad Officiating
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:48:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr7.174801.5369
Reply-To: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department


   I have noticed a few complaints under this thread that IU got a raw deal
on officiating in the Duke game. Maybe the people mentioning this are the
same as the ones who slam CBS's coverage of the tournament, so they weren't
listening when Billy Packer commented that are a lot of Big Ten coaches who
think its high time for IU to be in foul trouble.

   I rather agree with the low quality of officiating expressed on the net,
as the teams I root for (LSU and Florida State) have been have been victims
of officials incompetence more than they have been beneficiaries. Also, I
though most of the tournament games I saw were rather poorly officiated, and
I didn't even get to see the more controversial calls (The Infamous Stomp
and The UMASS Technical). However, there are many basketball fans who think
that IU gets more than their fair share of breaks from the officials, and as
I have watched a good number of games I rather agree with them.

   I personally believe that if there had been *good* officiating in the 1987
Tournament, IU would *NOT* have won the National Championship then. If you
don't believe me, take a good look at how the close calls went in the IU-
Auburn game, or how Bobby Knight only picked up *ONE* technical foul for
his phone-busting tirade in front of the officials and Gene Corrigan in the 
LSU game.

   It is also possible that if IU's games in this years tournament had been
better officiated, IU might have gotten tripped up by either LSU or FSU. I
say might here, because neither game was decided purely by officiating, and
all the teams involved got away with a lot of rough stuff. (Yes, IU fans, I
do realize that a well-officiated game means that the Shaq probably fouls
out, which means IU then eats LSU for dinner.) However, FSU did seem to suffer
from some dubious foul calls on steal attempts that resulted in their guards
getting into foul trouble.

   In conclusion, I found it quite delightful that IU finally had to play a
game without getting the benefit of the officiating. As a avid college basket-
ball watcher, it was long overdue!

Jack Beven
FSU Meteorology Dept.
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Yet ANOTHER "What ever happened to..."
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:59:55 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Last I heard he was in either Italy or Spain, averaging some whopping
number of points (~30).
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From: dtk@teer30.acpub.duke.edu (DEVENDRA KUMAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WAS LAETTNER EVEN IN THE LAST 17 MINUTES LAST NIGHT???
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.184434.7210@ncsu.edu>, bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie) writes:
|> I heard you missed me, I'm back! :)
|> 
|> Watching the Indiana-Duke game last night hopefully made all of us realize
|> just how overrated Christian "Antichrist" Laettner is.  Although he 
|> outplayed himself against Kentucky, he didn't even take a shot during
|> the last seventeen minutes against Indiana!  His NBA stock just went down,
|> down, down...  as for Player of the Year?  What a joke!!!  He was thoroughly
|> outplayed by the Indiana players on the board, and in terms of scoring.
|> In spite of being charged with shitty fouls all game, Indiana still came back
|> from a 9 point deficit, and had a chance to tie the game with seconds on the
|> clock--twice!  HURLey had it stolen, then dribbled on the line, during the
|> crucial last 30 seconds.  So much for playing well under pressure.  Well,
|> we'll see Monday who rules when Michigan hands Duke the beating they so
|> deserve.
|> 
|> Go Michigan!!!
|> 
|> GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|> 
|> Bennie (Avie's cousin)

Pretty gutsy stuff coming from a tool who goes to a poor excuse of a school that
lost by 35 to us earlier this year.  DUKE HAS WON BACK_TO_BACK NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It doesn't matter what you think, since you don't
decide who gets the national championship -- our team decided that!!!
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From: jshg1134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Hoeft)
Subject: Re: Illini transfer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:30:40 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:


>	Scott Pierce, a 6'8" forward, who averaged about 6ppg this season
>	for the Illini (and started in the early part of the season), has
>	announced that he will transfer from the University to attend a 
>	school closer to his Texas home. 

>	This loss should not be terribly bad for Illinois, consider the 
>	return of Kaufmann and the addition of 6'8" Chris Gandy.  However,
>	the Illini will miss Pierce's enthusiasm for the game, his hustle,
>	and his defensive prowess.

>	This transfer brings a question to mind -- how many players in recent
>	years have fled Lou's coop?  Only Scott Haffner comes to mind at the
>	present...

>	Jazzy J


Olaf Blab also went to Evansville.    

Phil Kunz went to Iowa State and played well.                     
Someone else also went to Iowa State before him and played very
well for them, but I can't remember his name.  It was unfortunate too
as he left because he felt that he would not receive playing time,
and then things opened up to where he was needed.

Jeff
From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ed O'Bannon's Brother
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <760@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan) writes:
|> 
|>         I was at the Final Four Saturday and a guy sat next to me who said he
|> was the high school coach of Ed O'Bannon's brother (I can't remember his
|> brother's name).  He told me the Ed's brother was really good, and he thought
|> the Ed's brother could be better than Ed.  He said Ed's brother is 6'5" and
|> more mobile than Ed.  He also told me that he was being recruited by everyone,
|> but he was leaning toward IU.  Ed's brother is only a junior right now.
|> 
|>         Can anyone out there give me more information on Ed's brother.  First
|> of all, what is his name?  How good is he?
|> 
|> Mr. Kelly Dougan
|> 

I subscribe to a publication called "Inside Indiana". Each week they have
info on IU recruiting and they have never mentioned Charles O'Bannon as a 
possible recruit.

The only player listed from California is a kid named Richard Mandeville(sp?)
who is a 6'10" junior.
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From: Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu ()
Subject: NMJC
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:15:27 GMT

How did the new mexico junior college thunderbirds do this year?
From: gunner1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:00:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(John Wilbur Althauser) writes:
> (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
>
>> (Alex Breen)writes:
>>> 
>>>      A good year is not a 20 win season.  It is two victories over Iowa!
>>> 
>>	Looks like it is gonna be another bad year for the Illini!!
>>-- 
>
>Very doubtful
>that Lou will have another year like this last one, but we'll 
>just have to wait and see.  
>
>Lou is already taking all the good players from Dr. Tom.

WHAT ?

Don't be ridiculous.  You can't take something that a person never had in
the first place !  The simple fact is that Iowa has hardly ever had talent
on par with the Illini, yet they've been far far more consistent.  Given that
they have none of the natural advantages that Illinois enjoys in recruiting
(not to mention unnatural ones like Chevy Blazers...), and that they've
had three different coaches over the last ten years, it's pretty impressive
that they have such a decent NCAA record, with no Austin Peays to boot. I guess
it must rankle !  Well, you Illinoids are going to have to lie low for a
while longer, I'm afraid. 

>
>As you probably know, Illinois has just hired the best young wrestling 
>coach in the nation.  He assisted Dan Gable for years.  He says he'll
>recruit Illinois h.s. wrestlers (of which there are a lot of good ones.)
>This is going to take away recruits from Iowa, what a shame!!!!!!i

Heh ! Heh ! Heh ! That's a good one.  

>
>john althauser

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Iowa Hawkeyes: 1992 NCAA Wrestling Champs (for the umpteenth time...)
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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J.'Doc' Exby)
Subject: Re: The Big Ten
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:30:03 GMT

weber@edit.mndly.umn.edu (GARRETT WEBER) writes:

>It's gonna be an all Big Ten championship game, and the Fab Five are gonna 
>pull it off. Any debate on this?
>Garrett Weber	

no debate needed.  you're wrong. 
quick debate eh?

::j
From: jeskridge@madvax.uop.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WAHOOWA!  Virginia 81, Notre Dame 76 (OT)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: jeskridge@madvax.uop.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

WAHOOWA WAHOOWA UNI-V-VIRGI-N-I-A HOORARAY HOORARAY  HEY HEY UVA!!!!!
Great Game!!!!
;-), James
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: question about MIchigan '89??
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.134440.5894@b24a.ingr.com>, mjo@b24a.ingr.com (M.Jesus.O at Beat) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr4.224059.39042@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, rsl06@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> > Gotta quick question....
|> > who were the starters on the Michigan team that won it in '89?
|> > also, was'ne there a guy who went pro after that year-his sophomore-
|> > I think (besides rice and Robinson)...
|> 
|> I think that team was:
|> 
|> Glenn Rice        - now with the Miami Heat
|> Rumeal Robinson   - Atlanta Hawks
|> Terry Mills       - New Jersey Nets
|> Sean Higgins      - Orlando Magic (he's the onbe who left two years early)

Sean was on the team in 1989, but he wasn't a starter.  I think the 
fifth starter you're thinking of was Mark Hughes, who tried out for the
Pistons the next couple of years after college, but never made the
team.  Also, Sean left after the 1990 season, which was his junior year,
so he was only a year early when he left college ball.

He started for the Magic last night and scored 29 points, so maybe he's 
getting his career back on track.  I know he was seldomly used with the
Spurs once he was drafted at the bottom of the 2nd round in 1990.  

|> Loy Vaught        - Sacramento or Golden St., can't ever remeber for sure

Actually, Loy comes off the bench for the LA Clippers.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: More info on Travis Trice
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:47:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.214701.1511
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

[this is verbatim from Carl Gritter, not the paraphrased mosh I had earlier
today]

Only the Indianapolis Star had anything to say about the Trice
situation.  They talked to Trice and he admitted that transferring is
a possibility.  He is going to talk to Keady about it but said that he
hasn't made a final decision.  He is not being pressured to leave.

The article goes on to tell about yet another player that may come to
Purdue as a non-scholarship player (ie. walkon).  He is "guaranteed" a
roster spot and could earn a scholarship later.  He is a 6'8'' forward
from Farmington Hills, MI Harrison HS by the name of Paul Gilvydis.
He was being recruited by W Mich, Bulter, UNC Greensboro, Bucknell and
West Point.  He is ambidextrous with his hook shot and has a good
jumper from 12' to 17'.  36% from 3pt range, 73% free thrower with
16ppg and 10 rebounds.

Carl

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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Donta Bright/UMass
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:20:22 GMT

In article (David Moore) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ellis@cis.ohio-state.edu () says:
>
>>Do any UMass people know if Donta Bright has committed to UMass, verbally or
>>otherwise.  Since NBA agents are circulating rumors about Jim Jackson going
>>pro, I thought maybe Donta would possibly take his scholarship at Ohio State.
>>
>>Anyone?
>>
>>S. Ellis
>>cis@osu
>I believe he verbally commited to UMASS(!!!). I think he wanted to go to a
>school which was not afraid to play UC. (among other reasons...)
>DM

I think Donta was thinking about going to UC, but was told he had to
go to a JC for a couple of years(even if he passed prop48) before he
could play for the team.


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From: sasmus@asp.unx.sas.com (Mark Schneider)
Subject: Duke Repeats
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:54:19 GMT
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Well the game wasn't pretty, but I'll take the win.  More than anything, I
think Duke showed the perserverance of a well-seasoned team.  For twenty
minutes of semi-boring play, it seemed that no one wanted to take the
trophy home with them.  As Packer *frequently* observed, Christian
was completely out of his game.  Unlike the IU game, he was not only
nonexistent, but actually detrimental to the team effort.  Seven turnovers?
I don't think he's ever had a half like that.  

But while the spotlight was on Duke (I was ashamed to see CBS play up
Laettner as a superman in the pregame - cape and all), Michigan was having
a frustrating half as well.  They were playing some pretty uninspired ball.
You could tell at the half as they walked to the locker room that they were
just as unhappy with their play as Duke was.

What happened in the second half was something I didn't expect.  The freshman
started showing their age.  Jackson's ill-advised three was just one of a
number of impatient plays that helped Duke open up the lead.  It became more
and more apparent that Michigan felt as if they couldn't win, and that's what
did them in.  Granted, Duke got back to playing some tight defense, but
Michigan looked completely lost.  They probably should have used their
timeouts a little more intelligently to break up the momentum.

I don't know if this Duke team was destined to win, or if it ranks up with
the UCLA teams of the sixties and early seventies.  What I do know is that
this team will be remembered here in Dukedom for a long time to come...

... and I thank them for the memories.

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