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From: jill@mpd.tandem.com (Jill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Jumping Cat
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:53:29 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <lgincoINN84i@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 1@stsci.edu, lhuffman@stsci.edu () writes:
>>My cat Seet Pea who loves to have her body pressing somehwere on her Mom Cat 
>>will jump onto my shoulder from the floor, whether I am facing her or not. 
>
>Sweet Pea sounds a lot like Maggie.  Maggie will usually 'tell' me that she
>wants to be picked up, and will jump if I don't comply within a reasonable
>amount of time (guess how long ;^> ).  She doesn't make it all the way to my 
>shoulder in one leap - she jumps to about my chest or upper back and then
>climbs the rest of the way.  The amazing thing is that she never claws me
>when she does this.  She seems to know how to jump up and catch my clothes
>instead of my skin.
>

Wow.  This sounds exactly like my Maggie.  She'll sit at my feet calling
very politely for about 30 seconds.  If I don't respond, pretty soon
she's hanging from my waist, and then she crawls up to my shoulder.  I
think she mostly just wants to see what I'm doing up there, since she's
still too little to jump up to the sink.  She's only four months old.
Maybe she'll be able to make it up to my shoulder in one jump by the
time she's grown.  Wouldn't THAT be wonderful?  :)

Jill
From: jshouman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joan-Marie Shouman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Pounce tartar control treats
Date: 15 Nov 92 06:56:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.cats
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


I have read a couple of postings about the wonders of Pounce Tartar Control
Kitty treats.  Essentially, in so many words, they seemed like a commercial:

Your cat will love them, go nuts for them, even clean your house and wash your
car, just for one single pounce tartar control treat!!!

Well, I went running to the grocery store, bought two boxes, only to have my
two darlings turn up their little noses.  They could have cared less.

Just thought I'd share two discriminating cats' views.

--Joan, Ari, and Tasha
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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: adopting wild (feral?) cats
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:38:49 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

Just visited the Animal Shelter today and the AS employee said the kitty I  
picked out was wild. I have a cat (4 years old) who never goes outside. Is  
adopting it a good idea? I looked in the FAQ, but didn't see much about  
this subject (did I miss it?).

Any suggestions, ideas, things for me to read? Feel free to E-mail to:  
lyndap@novell.com

It's funny how you can read all these postings, but until you have that  
problem or situation, they don't mean much to you.

Lynda (and Boo)
lyndap@novell.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Subject: Re: Saving mini-blinds
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:37:37 GMT

In <lgnpbnINNd57@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM (Ann Adamcik) writes:

>In article 1eet30INNafr@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu, msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (MARC SIEGALL) writes:
>>Help!  My cats will bend back (and break) my mini-blinds, so that they
>>can look out the window at night (while I'm asleep).  They push through
>>the blinds and sit on the window sill.
>>

>I also have mini-blinds and a cat that likes to sit on the window sill and
>look out.  My solution is simply to leave the blinds raised enough so that 
>Maggie can get under them.  I have no reason to close things up tight, and
>leaving the blinds open a bit keeps them from getting bent and allows Maggie
>to do what she enjoys...

>-Ann

We have this problem also! We figured that leaving one window blind open
at night was a better solution than getting up every morning around 6 am
to open the blind for her. :-)

Jen
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: My roommate broke my kitten's leg!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:30:02 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Oh damn. All along I've been reading the replies and wondering what
the roommate did. I never did see the original posting. Unfortunately,
the last item was nice enough to include the original.

I am horrified! I can certainly understand how different cultures have
different morales, etc, but this is no excuse!!! If that had been my 
kitty, the miserable bitch would have been packed and out the door,
with a few smacks to help her along.

Get out of this situation now, whether it means replacing your roommate
or leaving yourself. The plight of your pet is at stake. Not only are 
you risking more physical abuse (who knows how she treats him when you're
not there??) but mental abuse. I would rather see an animal euthanized
than have him suffer like this.

- Lianne - 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joan C. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:34:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.201125.13956@dunix.drake.edu> ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (The Dark Kitty) writes:
>up Socks in the air for a picture.  The Clintons did not appreciate this
>and said something to the effect "Notice to all newsmen.  Don't touch
>the cat."  Though that isn't a direct quote it's pretty close.  =-)

	Ok, that does it, I'm going to run for President!
	I don't want to fix the economy...I want to see Amos tear the
	living H** out of some unsuspecting reporter!  Socks must be
	quite a nice kitty to allow just ANYBODY to pick her up!

Joan (in '96!)


-- 
J. C. Maxfield				maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu
DISCLAIMER:  I don't speak for the University, but they often speak for me!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: alarm cat
From: <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:18:16 EST
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Here is a problem for all you cat experts to solve....
We have two cats.  Midnight and Precious.  They are 11 years old and 10 months
old respectively.  We feed them twice a day.  Once at 6pm and once at 6am.  Thi
s used to work well until the time change.  We could always depend on Midnight
to wake me up at feeding time.  When the time change happend she started waking
 me up at 4:30am. YAWN!  I would try to wait until the right time to get up, bu
t they have started driving me crazy.  Midnight would start rubbing against me
and laying forcefully against my side.  This would get my attention.  If I igno
red her she would then paw me.I then decided to lock them out of our bedroom
when they get up at 4 and then get myself up at 6.  Wrong.  Precious will cry a
nd claw at the door for at least 20mins until the door is opened.  He then will
 terrorize the room.  Jumping on things and knocking them over.  Midnight, once
 locked out will go downstairs and wait patiently.  What do I do about the litt
le one.  He is driving me nuts!!!!!!!!
any help appreciated....

barry
From: alclark@rwasic27.aud.alcatel.com (Amy L Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Mother's sick cat
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:45:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

We tried, but the pancreatitis that the vet said that Shalimar
(mother's Siamese) was accompanied by some strange type of
cancerous cells that invaded her blood.  We took her to a
specialist, but there was nothing he could do.  Shalimar was
only nine years old.  My mother had to make the painful decision
to put Shalimar to sleep.  We're all grieving for her.  I feel
like I've lost a sister (I always told Shalimar that I was her
sister Amy).  I wrote a poem for Shalimar since I didn't get
to say goodbye.  It made me feel a little better, but not much.

I'LL MISS YOU SHALIMAR.  THIS IS FOR YOU.

So dignified, but so lovable,
Like a gracious nanny,
Taking care of us kids,
As we grew older.

Gracing every room in which you sat.
Yet crawling into my lap to doze contentedly.
Sleeping underneath the covers with your head on my arm,
Your face next to mine-- like lovers telling secrets.

Talking to me-- demanding attention whenever you entered a room.
Purring with your head in my hand even when you're sick,
Trying to make me feel better-- not knowing it's for you I'm sorrowing.
Too dainty to miss the litter box-- even when you felt too ill to move.
Looking into my eyes,
Your pupils dialated to their fullest pouring forth your love.

Stretching to your fullest height,
Begging to be carried over my shoulder like a baby
And nibbling on my earlobe as I hold you.

You were the runt.
But were the strongest and most special of the bunch.
I'll still walk in the door and call your name.
Look for you in your special sleeping place in the closet,
Then remember you're gone and be sad.
But try to picture you waiting for me in kitty heaven.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Our gang of Spankies
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:31:42 GMT

Does anybody else sense a conspiracy here?  The following articles all
showed up at my site the same day:


    In article <1ei261INNi0a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French) writes:
    >
    >Five months ago when I got Spanky....
     
     
    In article <1ei72lINN5o0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, moose@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Kristine Anne De Leon Jugo) writes:
    >
    >  My cat Spanky is the most hard-headed neurotic cat that I've
    >  ever seen!...
     
     
    In article <2646@cronos.metaphor.com>, pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens) writes:
    >
    >We have next door neighbors who own two cats.  They never let these
    >cats inside their house and ever since they had a baby I don't think
    >they get a lot of attention.  We started having a problem with one
    >of the cats, Spanky...


Has there been a recent federal ruling that all cats are to be named
Spanky?  Or is this just one of those passing trendy names, like the
batch of little Jessicas and Dylans that hit the public school system
a couple of years ago?  Inquiring minds want to know.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jrc@IEDV4.acd.com ( Janis Clark )
Subject: Re: Humane Society Blues
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.194624.8333@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>
>I agree with you 100%. These people were way out of line. Their job is to 
>find *good* homes for these cats, not an animal rights radical's idea of the
>*utopian* home.
> 
>I also agree that it would be better to give a cat to an otherwise-excellent
>home where it would be declawed than to destroy it for lack of a perfect home.
>Any person working at a shelter who doesn't agree with that shouldn't be there.
>-- 
>Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
>Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu

This does seem rather extreme.  When I adopted two kittens from the local 
Humane Society last summer, I was made to wait a day until my veterinarian
could be contacted.  My history of taking previous pets to the vet for 
checkups and shots was checked and approved before the kittens would be
released to me.  I also had to sign an agreement that I would have the
kittens spayed when they were six months old.   At the time, I thought the
background check with the vet seemed a little extreme, but when I thought it
over, I realized the wisdom of it.  I have never heard of a Humane Society
that had a declawing policy though.  Why aren't there national guidelines for
the Humane Society?  Isn't it a national organization?

Janis
-- 
	"Two roads diverged in the wood,
         and I,
	 I took the one less traveled by,
         and that has made all the difference."     - Robert Frost
From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: rubber bands and milk rings
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:06:16 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


My precious Tamora (2yr old, red persian, indoor only) has been after
my couch again.  She only scratches it when I am gone (during the day). 
She has been so good about this in the past.  We had had discussions about
it and I was sure that she understood that that was totally unacceptable
behavior.  However, she must have lost her memory and talking isn't working
this time.  :-(   Since she never does it while I'm at home, I can`t use
any other method to train her not to do it.

I think it may be because I keep leaving her alone for longer and longer
periods of time.  So, I am looking for a little brother for her, but 
haven't found one yet.  After I get the new brother, I will watch to 
determine if she is still scratching while I am gone.  If so, then I will 
have to do something about it. 

So, my question is -- is there anyone out there who has (or knows of)
a declawed cat which still plays with things like rubberbands and milk
jug rings?    These are Tamora's favorite toys and I want to know if she
will still be able to play with them after being declawed (if that 
becomes necessary).  I suspect not, but am hoping she could.   

Perhaps it would depend on the procedure used?   My vet will use 
whichever procedure I request.    What do you think?   Will she be able 
to play with them in any manner (now she picks them up with her mouth and 
slaps them with her hands and then chases them; repeat)?  Do you know 
another kitty who does?

(Please no flames about declawing.  They will have no effect on my decision
and are a waste of bandwidth.  I just don't have any "anti" values about it.)


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (COMPUTER DUDETTE)
Subject: Declawing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:04:19 GMT

A couple of days ago, I wrote saying that I was 'for' declawing.  I want to 
clarify that statement.  I am not 'for' it, I am just not 'against' it.
It's one of those personal decisions you have to make, and it seems to be as 
big of an issue as abortion; you are either pro-declaw, or pro-claw!
Didn't mean to sound like I think it's GREAT for the cat.  Seeing how long it 
has taken my Chelsea to heal, I realize it is pretty much major surgery!
Marti
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: alarm cat
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:00:25 GMT

mverman@msus1.msus.edu wrote:

: Stick to your guns.  Other wise you reinforce the harrassment.  That way lies
: madness:  progressively earlier feedings, or - horrors- feeding on demand,
: demand, demand!  A few days or weeks of tolerating the hysteria
: outside your door is preferable to a winter or lifetime of 4:30 or earlier
: feedings.  Your kitten adapted to the feeding schedule before, he'll do it
: again.

Hmmm...I feed everyone when I notice that their food bowels are empty.  They
get filled up, which means the food bowls get filled every other day or so
(they are small bowls).  Works for us, except that I've noticed that Snowcat
*is* getting a bit chunky...

Feeding schedules?  Horrors!  I don't think they'd ever adjust - nor I! :)
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
From: John.Seboldt@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (John Seboldt)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Other Monsters
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:03:00 -0600

In article <1992Nov13.204238.22322@Armstrong.EDU> 
lois@Armstrong.EDU (Lois A. Houston) writes:
>
>Another monster to watch out for is the Carpet Monster.  Fortunately
>for my husband and me, Miss Kitty regularly checks our carpets for the
>dreaded beasts.  While we're at work (so we won't get hurt in the ensuing

<etc.>

I've seen twice on cable now, the movie "Cat's Eye" <?>, based on three 
Stephen King stories.  I only saw the last segment each time -- where the 
brave cat actually battles some kind of little gnome that is attacking a 
little girl with his magic powers in her sleep.  It is hilariously heroic 
-- the cat traps it on the kid's turntable, turns it on, turns up the 
speed full blast, and it whips the little monster into the fan.  When 
parents break in to the door (blocked shut by the clever demon), and see 
the evidence that something real DID happen, she gets to keep the kitty!




 * Freddie 1.2 * "Mao..."  "Mousie dung..."  -- quoted in B. Kliban, "Cats"

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.225510.28527@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.194804.3493@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>>In <1e8nn4INN99v@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>>>rhart@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Hart) writes:
>>>>Is is normal for the vet to keep the cat overnight after
>>>>neuter surgery? This is a male cat. I don't remember this
>>>>being the practice last time I had a boy cat (years ago).
>>
>>>He's learned to fluff up his invoices.
>>
>>Steve, the question I would ask you is does the amount of money for
>>your pet matter that much to you. You would expect an overnight stay in
>>the hospital if YOU had major surgery, why shouldn't your cat expected
>>the same? 
>
>Yes, remember that spaying a female cat is removing the ovaries
>and performing a hysterectomy.   

What with all the flames and hyperbole this seemingly innocent posting has 
generated, everyone seems to have forgotten, or missed, the fact that the 
original question was about a *male* cat being *neutered*. This is not major 
surgery; in humans it's done with a local anaesthetic in the doctor's office. 
Of course, the cat is unlikely to sit still for it (some humans I've heard of 
didn't either :-) ), so he will probably be anaesthetized. But he shouldn't be 
under for more than about 5 minutes. If he gets surgery in the morning and you 
pick him up late afternoon, that's likely to be as long as the vet needs to 
watch him.

Our girls were not kept overnight before or after they were spayed. The
reasoning behind this (our vet's standard procedure - the only vet within
45 miles) was that surgery is traumatic enough without having to come to 
consciousness in strange surroundings with strange people. Maybe there's a 
tradeoff in the quality of the observation you would provide vs. what your 
vet would, but if the vet doesn't have someone there all night to observe 
your cat, I fail to see how they could do a better job of it. You would
probably keep a closer eye on him.

I don't see any harm in it either way. There's advantages and disadvantages
to both. If you're willing to pay the fee, by all means go ahead if you'll
feel happier about it, or you aren't willing to question the vet about it. 
But I personally don't think it's necessary. 

All you have to remember is no food or water for ~12 hours before surgery, 
and no food for ~24 hours after.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: alan@gizmo.usc.edu (Alan Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Vet Recommendation in West LA
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:54:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.usc.edu
Keywords: vet

Can anyone recommend a vet in the West LA/Westwood
area?  I'd like someone who is good with cats _and_
doesn't charge an upper and lower body appendage
for his/her services.

Thanks in advance,

Alan and Roux


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 | Alan Petersen                     |                           |
 | Department of Psychology          | ph: 213-740-9194          |
 | University of Southern California | email: alan@gizmo.usc.edu |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: pfloyd@octel.com (Michael Barnett)
Subject: Re: strange hairless circles on my cats
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:31:08 GMT


I'm currently battling ringworm (tinea) at home.  It's not all that difficult
to transmit it from cat to cat or cat to human for that matter.  We purchased
one of our cats and he had ringworm (we didn't know).  He managed to give it
to our other cat and to both my wife and myself!  The cats look cured now
but I'm still getting lesions.  Good luck with this stuff.  The cure reuqires
alot of persistance on your part.  This was not, in my case, a quick process.


                    - Michael
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pfloyd@octel.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: cyndie@sequent.com (Cyndie Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:41:02 GMT

My cat names are:

Modem: Mo, Lil' Mo, My Mo,My Boy

Laptop: Lil'One, Topper, Lapper (this one fits!), DumbDumb, Stupid.
From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:35:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <By0t9J.B03@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:

>jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon) writes:

>>Anthony, I think that you are full of shit.

>>The Bush family is well-knit, close, and strongly bond. Barbara and George
>>have been wonderful parents and grandparents. I'm sorry if you wouldn't date
>>anyone in their family; come to think of it, none of them would probably
>>want to date you. If I remember correctly, I have subscribed to a newsgroup
>>on cats. Let's stick to cat discussion.

>>Oh, one more point. You said that they appear to be a more familiar
>>families. I don't understand; do families where the father or mother have
>>outside affairs considered normal? Oh, it hurts, doesn't it Anthony?

>>Jeffrey Moon
>>University of Rochester
>>New York

>There's just as much evidence that Bush has had outside affairs as
>Clinton...

>Basically, no one is going to *get* to be president unless they
>want power as much as a cat wants food. And this is not going
>to be a normal person, and not a person with a normal family life...

>Now let's get back to cats, please...

Whoever this is, please enlighten me on this. And send it directly to me and
not over the net system. I definitely agree that we should get back to
cats...

Jeffrey Moon
University of Rochester
New York
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA