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From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: principles angst
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:49:02 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:

: Well, she might face random spot checks. If they're serious
: about catching people using drugs, then they keep on testing employees
: at random intervals.  If, on the other hand, they really don't care,
: and don't do follow-up testing, then, by all means, BEAT them, if you want.
: Run amok. :-)

they *don't* do followups... that's what makes the whole thing so
frigging stupid! why bother to test in the first place?? i'd have a
lot more respect for them if they did random testing after the hire.

: In some places, like some high security govt. installations, I hear that
: they actually watch you piss to make sure you don't cheat.  Or search
: your person thoroughly before sending you off to the bathroom.  And then
: there are the billions and billions of signed seals on the jar, from 
: all the witnesses of the sealing/pissing  ceremony, and the witnesses of the
: witnesses.....  If they catch you with battery acid, they shoot you on
: the spot. 

they're going to *watch*? yikes. maybe i'll enjoy life on the
street... actually, the testing is done at a minor emergency clinic
here in town, and the whole thing seems casual enough that i could
prolly beat it if i were worried (which i'm not). it's just the whole
thing gives me the shivers. sigh... it's enough to make me want to
figure out a clevver way to beat it, then go in stoned to take it,
just to be difficult.

i still haven't decided. my best friend is saying basically "go for
it. you want the job, it's no big deal." but he's a goof. i dunno.

--
sine nomine
debbie martinson
"someone take the wheel, 'cause i don't know where we're going..."
				-- the replacements
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Insanity Angst
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

Perhaps a more perplexing question:  Why do the Lords of Texas, ZZ-top,
resemble Jesus?

Pardon me.  I'm just having an identity crisis. :-)
					Ken
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 08:30:16 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) writes in about a zillion newsgroups
(including alt.religion.computers where *I* read it):

> I don't make fun of 3d borders; I deprecate them. Why does sunken=text
> and raised=button? Shouldn't sunken be a depressed button? (In fact,
> sunken often *is* a depressed button.) Couldn't

I'm sorry, I got confused reading this post about GUI's. I'm sure a paragraph
like that is somehow more appropriate in alt.angst.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: belief
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:43:20 GMT
Organization: UB

llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

>i was listening to toad the wet sprocket again (i really think _pale_
>rivals even kate bush for angsting music) in a really hot bath, and a
>line from one of the songs really struck me. it went something like
>"... the things i believe and know that none of them are true." 

>what does anyone believe in, anyway? i know that most of the stuff i
>"believe" in i'd prolly not call "true." i'm not even sure that i
>believe in truth any more, muhc less anything less cosmic. i spend so
>much time listening to people talk about what's hurting them and how
>they see the world, and sometimes i can't see anything i recognize in
>their views of life. but their ideas are true so long as they believe
>those ideas. i mean, if i become completely convinced your name is
>bruce and act as if that's true, then for me, it is, isn't it? what
>you think your name is has no bearing on how i conduct my life and has
>no reality in my world.

Try this experiment...Take lots and lots of drugs.  Then see what you
believe.  After a while the walls don't seem as solid as they once were.
Then people seem to be just hollow skin bags.  Eventualy you start to doubt
the very existance of the universe when your dreams are more vivid than what
you sence during wakefulness.

>does trying to find a truth inevitably lead to paralyzation and
>despair? how can i see so clearly what's hurting my friend while he's
>oblivious to it? does anyone really give a fuck about any of this
>stuff? 

Trying to find out the truth is better than actualy finding it.  Like learning
that my SO dropped me because she was pregnant with someone elses kid.  I 
wished (and still do) that I had never asked why, and had just let it flow
away.  

Perhaps it is just better to stand around and try not to understand anything,
read your novels and imagine that the world you read of is the world you are
in.

Just remember...Reality is for those who can't handle drugs.

-Idbil Fubar
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Subject: Re: Reality Angst
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:01:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.215515.25392@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bs584@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeanne Leidy) writes:
>But I live and work among the superficial,
>moralizing, and small-minded.  I find no kindred spirits around
>here.  There _are_ people that I value but it is so difficult to
>coax even them beyond the superficial, though they have the mental
>capacity and have things to share which I, at least, consider
>interesting.  Apparently they don't have the will or the need.
>

Might I suggest taking flight?  Before you take root?  I have spent
3 years hoping that ORNL would not continue offering me a job  because
I am too lazy to leave, and I could use the incentive.

>So I live all inside my own head.  I feel this conflict:  I don't
>condone the anesthetized, insulated life that I lead, there's a
>life I'd rather lead and these darting glimpses of it are so
>seductive, and yet I jump back into the mundane cycle.  This is
>today's angst, time and again getting high on these flashes of how
>my life might be, and repeatedly getting slammed back to the
>reality that what I want is precisely what my life isn't.
>

What do you do?

>
>And a note to Meech:  the male mannequins at Eaton's have long
>hair.  Not going to be making a statement in the old hometown, I
>guess :-)
>

Did they also have big bushy beards like ZZ Top?  I am thinking of taking
this one step further! Humour.  It pleasures me.

				:-)
					Meech
From: v122jr52@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas H Dunning)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: belief
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <78892@ut-emx.uucp>, llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes...
>i was listening to toad the wet sprocket again (i really think _pale_
>rivals even kate bush for angsting music) in a really hot bath, and a
>line from one of the songs really struck me. it went something like
>"... the things i believe and know that none of them are true." 

Try listening to King Crimson, truly depressing-yet-enlightening stuff

>what does anyone believe in, anyway? i know that most of the stuff i
>"believe" in i'd prolly not call "true." i'm not even sure that i
>believe in truth any more, muhc less anything less cosmic. i spend so
>much time listening to people talk about what's hurting them and how
>they see the world, and sometimes i can't see anything i recognize in
>their views of life. but their ideas are true so long as they believe
>those ideas. i mean, if i become completely convinced your name is
>bruce and act as if that's true, then for me, it is, isn't it? what
>you think your name is has no bearing on how i conduct my life and has
>no reality in my world.

True, false, right and wrong are all relative terms...given meaning by
the speaker/writer only to have that meaning re(mis)interpreted  by the
listener/reader.

>but things continue regardless of my belief or lack thereof... the
>giant weight over my head doesn't concern itself with whether i believe
>in it or not; it'll squash me flat either way.
> 
>it's confusing. there aren't any solid things to hold onto. 
				  
Well there is that giant weight over your head that'll squash you flat..

>i wish i
>were religious, like my sister. her reality is all mapped out and she
>knows how it's sposed to go.

do you really want that?!?!? to not be a critical thinker?
be careful what you wish for...

					td
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Great guy!
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:36:19 GMT
Organization: UB

datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:

>I was reading my friend's encyclopaediacal dictionary and I came across this:-

>Schop'enhauer, Arthur (1788 - 1860)
>German pessimistic philosopher, 
>who taught that the absolute reality is a blind
>and restless will, 
>that all experience is essentially evil and that release can
>be attained only by overcoming the will to live.

Hmmm...Kind of makes you wonder why he lived for 72 years eh?

Id
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: freedom angst (was a new source of angst)
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:08:18 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Scott Hanson (despair@netcom.com) wrote:

: I agree with everything excepting one point:  freedom = 1/security
: 
: This is an inexcusably optimistic opinion, but I think if people are
: given freedom and at least a chance at a happy life there will be little
: crime.  

when i first read this, i started thinking that scott and i were
looking at the same word and seeing two different things. when i used
the word "security" in the original post, i meant "knowledge that
nothing really bad will happen to you." scott seemed to interpret it
as "having nothing really bad happen to you."

the more freedom you and all the people around you have, the more
likely it is that someone will abuse that freedom and do something
nasty to you. thus, you have less assurance of a peaceful life.

but the more i thought about what scott said, the more it seemed that
he had a really good point: if people are happy in their own lives,
they quit worrying that someone else might get away with something
they haven't gotten away with, that someone else might get something
for nothing that they haven't gotten. so i think that maybe if people
were happy, they might be willing to give up bookkeeping and worrying
and maybe the inverse proportion between freedom and security would
shift.

: I am not in the mood to change it.  What a pitiful, idiotic way to feel about
: human nature, but I'm a fool.

i dunno about pitiful and idiotic. just optimistic, which is something
i wish i could be most of the time.

i still talk too much.

--
sine nomine
debbie martinson
"be who you are if it fits in the system. say what you want; you might 
die if they listen" -- toad the wet sprocket

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Subject: Re: freedom angst (was a new source of angst)
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:39:21 GMT

In article <78705@ut-emx.uucp> llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

[sine nomine's discussion of freedom and safety omitted for brevity]

This brings to mind a conversation I had with another ORNL physicist
last week.  He's a serious Republican, a converted Democrat.

He insisted that we have a moral imperative to promote family values,
and remove access to abortion, because by being passive and not acting
to protect the rights of the unborn, we are infact committing a terrible
crime.  On the other hand, this same fellow told me that we have no reason
to provide access to medical care to those who are in need of it, but 
cannot pay.  He does not believe that if you have the ability to help someone
in need, but don't use your ability you are doing anthing wrong.  He said:
"Just because I see someone standing in the path of a speeding truck, I am
not reponsible for pushing them out of the way even if I am able to."

So he wants to promote his sense of doing the right thing by protecting
the rights of the unborn, but denies the responsibilty to contribute to
the welfare of other people if it costs him money.  Seems to me that 
if all these babies that are now aborted were born, and found themselves
in state run ophanages or other institutions if their parents were unwilling
or unable to take care of them, and it were to cost him money, through
government support for said instituions, he would swing the other way.

I don't see why we should make such a big deal out of protecting the
unborn, if we have no interest in making the lives of those people
already here who live in unfortunate circumstances any better.  
Let's face it,  making a certain miminimum level of medical care available to 
all, in areas such as pre-natal and post-natal care, and providing more
better schools so that people could become better educated, and thus
better prepared to advance themselves in this society, would be
expensive, and this cannot be done unless all of us who have relatively
comfortable existences are willing to make sacrifices, and the government
is willing to act constructively.  A lot of social problems persist, not
because they cannot be solved, but because no one, other than those affected,
really wants to bother, except possibly for the purposes of public relations
in election campaigns.  

More and more angst.....

					Meech
From: Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Accents
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:45:26 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Well, I went to the local Clue Store and got one and told them that
sine nomine had sent me.  :-)  Sorry, I myself was on kind of angst
hair-trigger that day.  Anyway, now we all understand that we're all on
the same side and we understand each other and everybody's unhappy as
good angsters should be (or should bah).

What concentration was my M.A. in?  None, really; that's why they call
the program Liberal Studies :-)  Intellectual history, more or less; 
talk about something non-bottom-line related!
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Hurricane David...
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:10:16 GMT

Alex Bienek (ABienek@acorn.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug25.162724.13968@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: 
: >Please, somebody...., give us the low down of what it's like to be 
: >in one of those things.
: >
: 
: Bloody windy !
: 
: >ObAngst>  I will be seeing a woman on Thursday, we arranged to meet using a
: >          dating agency, and I KNOW it will turn out disastrous.  :(
: >
: >Nick.
: 
: I trust you will tell us what happens.
: 
: Re: The Rain. Well, there may have been a little exageration. But it has
: rained every day, and besides our American friends have certain expectations
: of England which we must strive to maintain.
: That reminds me, must repaint the drawbridge on my castle, all this rain is
: rotting the wood. And the portcullis is rusting and have you seen the price
: of arrows.....
: 
: ObAngst: Why is everyone trying to do my job for me ? Are they trying
: to tell me something ?
: 
: Alex.
: 
:                                       


Well, I was hoping that someone a little nearer to the scene could have replied
to me!  :)

Bloody servants!  That's two maids I've had to let go this year already!


Nick    DoD 1069

M'Lud.
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abstractor)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Usenet angst
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:53:16 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:

>I'm happy to say..I never took the Net seriously and used to be flamed
>"big time" for it...now I take it even *less* seriously...bordering on
>being "bored"....could this be a phase or a prelude to just fading away?


No, it's just a phasing away in fading to be preluded.



>"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
>						-Kali
"You already had it, Goddess..." -:)
                                                -A.

the NEXUS>
          "Getsumei no michi"
From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: accent on angst
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:40:40 GMT

Supposedly I have an accent. I thought, being Canadian, I would have no 
accent.  I don't even say "eh?" at the end of my sentences.  When I lived
in Eastern Ontario/western Quebec (the Anglophone areas) neighbours would
tell my mother I had an accent.  In high school, in Vancouver, I was told
I had an accent. Now, in my current job, people are telling me I have an 
accent.  How is it that I don't sound like a typical inhabitant of my
neighborhoods? Can't I have some sort of perfect English accent that no
one can place, not even Professor Higgins? I have lived in urban areas in 
Canada practically all of my life (although it's not over yet).

Possibly everybody else has a local accent?!

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Subject: Re: Meech-o-matic
Organization: University of Tennessee Oil and Loob Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.013148.19397@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>
>So, if being UN-meechingly pessimistic is to be *very* pessimisitc,
>how dare a Meech (presumably an optimist) befoul (beclean?) the sacred
>cesspool of alt.angst?

Good Gawd!!!!  I've been found out!!!!!

>>Is a change of name in order?  If you want an angstogenic moniker,
>I can heartily recommend "Bruce"...

Ok.....  I'm game!

			StBruceTheChaste
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (Ken)
Subject: Oh no!!!!
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:15:22 GMT

It's finally happened!
From: boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: ONRL jobs?
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:56:41 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: 5th year senior, McDonad's Toilet Retraining Center

jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
>Note:  Shin Kanemaru (age 77) graduated from the University of Tokyo's
>Agriculture Department in 1936.

You made me subtract twice just to learn that this person graduated at
a normal age?

That'll be an $.87 labor charge for fifteen minutes' wasted effort,
please.

ObKateBush meets Subliminal Positive Thinking: two years ago, I played
a Kate Bush song about four times in a row because I liked its odd
melody.  I couldn't make out all the words, so I checked the printed
lyrics; it was about suicide.  It was still going through my head, so
I played it maybe five or six more times.  Then I fixed myself a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which took a while because I kept
forgetting steps.

I spent the next few days being miserable and useless.  I doubt I
could have done it on purpose.  The trick only worked because it was a
surprise.  And it doesn't work any more, so I've had to make myself
miserable the hard way.

ObNationalLabHazards: manmade plagues, cursed holy relics,
experiments with forces beyond human control, scientists blindly
flipping switches on UFOs' dashboards, government agents who
"disappear" anyone who quits
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: rodney@magritte.ipl.rpi.edu (Rodney Peck II)
Subject: Re: Reality Angst
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200603.15331@news.duc.auburn.edu> singram@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>Furthermore, the friend I traveled with met a romantic man who
>>whispered to her in French during romantic interludes.  Jealousy
>>abounds.
>
>[...] I tried speaking French to a girl I met and was interested in...
> she just stared at me and said, `Please speak English'. [...]

now that's funny!  

I actually laughed out loud imagining it.


Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: A ""What the hell?"" Angst theme....
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 05:07:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <something> wcox@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Now, maybe it's just me, but I don't get the following situation, which I'm 
>in.  Friend A....  Fuck it.  Eric and Julia were friends, and supposedly they 
[remainder of situation deleted]

I do not recommend boasting about the extent of your suffering.  Similar things
happen to me all the time.  I am used to it, and even take pleasure in these
events.  There is something delicious about an occurance that is too perfectly
horrid to have happened by chance, but did.  One thinks, "Ho hum."

The last, and most spectacular one so far (for me) happened while my
neighborhood was burning along with the rest of my new hometown, Los Angeles.
The metaphors were amusing (and poignant)

Regards.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: principles angst
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:56:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.031808.12265@utkux1.utk.edu> kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
>
>Well, she might face random spot checks. 

My friend, the COBOL programmer in the Navy, has to deal with this.
He used to be a serious, um, well, he inhaled a lot of burning
vegetable matter.  Now he's afraid to be in the same room with
said burning vegetable matter, in case a detectable amount gets into
his bloodstream from second-hand smoke.

I'm really glad I didn't take the job they offered me there.

>If they're serious
>about catching people using drugs, then they keep on testing employees
>at random intervals.  If, on the other hand, they really don't care,
>and don't do follow-up testing, then, by all means, BEAT them, if you want.
>Run amok. :-)

Yes!  Uppers in the morning, downers before you go home!  Paint the
toilet seats with DMSO laced with LSD!  Share the fun!

Excuse me, too much espresso this morning.


>In some places, like some high security govt. installations, I hear that
>they actually watch you piss to make sure you don't cheat.

Ditto with bicycle racing.  "Bicycle racing?" you ask?  Yep.  Serious
drug testing.  Racers have been known to show up for 'drug control'
with a squeeze-bulb of urine under their armpit (so it's warm when they
give the sample.  A cold pee sample would be a dead giveaway).  It
hasn't happened for a few years now since they started getting caught.
Nearly everything is a 'banned' substance; you can get disqualified
from a race and banned for a long time if you take the wrong cough syrup!
There's no difference between getting caught with enough speed to kill
a small horse in your system and being caught with a tablespoon of
Vicks's 44 in your stomach.


--
            Eric Murray                 ericm@microunity.com
In this game, the winner is also the loser, and the judge's decisions are final
Newsgroups: alt.angst