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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Carry-isms (was Re: Shoot Harry)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:04:51 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <55462@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>My friend and I have always preferred Harry's "Hey Stoney, you know what that 
>name is backwrds" for Oral Herschiser:
>
>Leroy Research

My favorite Hershiser comment is still Bill James's (? is that the correct
attribution?) comment that the name "sounds like a German dentrifice".


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From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dodgers Lose 7th Straight
Date: 28 Jul 1992 22:40:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Will Clark beat the Dodgers by pinch hitting a two-run home
run in the bottom of the ninth to beat the Dodgers 5-3.
The Dodgers had tied the score in the top of the ninth when
Benzinger got an infield hit, reached second on a throwing
error on the same play, and eventually scored on a ground ball
by Hansen, when Hansen JUST beat the throw from second to
avoid the double play.
McDowell pitched the ninth for the Dodgers, retiring the
first two on ground outs, then giving up a single by
Uribe.  After getting two quick strikes on Clark, McDowell
grooved one right down the pike for Clark.  One has
to wonder where McDowell's mind was on that two strike pitch.
I imagine he was thinking...do we really want to go extra
innings?  Nah!  I'll just end it right here.

Eric Karros hit a two run home run for the Dodgers off Swift
in the 7th inning.  Jose Offerman made his league-leading
25th error, the Dodger's 100th error thus far.  Hansen had
three singles prior to his at bat in the ninth mentioned
above.

The Dodgers ended up with 3 runs on 11 hits and 1 error.
The Giants had 5 runs on just 8 hits and 2 errors.  Beck
got the win in relief.

					BleedsDodgerBlue

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Free agency
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:01:54 GMT


Does anybody know the exact rules on free-agency?  Players with six
years major league service qualify.  How is that counted?  By days on
the roster?  Is it six years from the first appearance on a major
league roster?  What about John Dopson?  (Has spent a couple years on
the DL.)

Thanks,
-Valentine
-- 
If Plantier goes, I go!				tedward@cs.cornell.edu
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Salary Cap should be IMPOSED on spending.
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:55:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul20.155913.1420@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>I'd get rid of arbitration entirely.  Instead, I'd probably go with
>something like the NBA, where a player has limited free agency fairly
>quickly (team has right to match), then full, unrestricted, uncompensated
>free agency later.  Maybe limited after 2, full after 4?
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

Yup.  In fact, I think it was ol' Charlie Finley who once suggested
(way back in the 1970's) that the answer to salary problems in MLB
was to have unrestricted free-agency for all players every year.
Since he was considered generally goofy, no one took this 
seriously.  However, it shows that Charlie O had a solid grasp
of basic supply-and-demand economics, and was not totally
dominated by the power-and-control frenzy which infects
most MLB owners.

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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Where will Oakland be playing Aug. 14,15,or 16?
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:39:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.141834.5776@iscsvax.uni.edu> korver@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Juliana Korver ) writes:
>Path: exucom.exu.ericsson.se!ericom!sunic!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!iscsvax.uni.edu!nova.cs.uni.edu!korver
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>Subject: Where will Oakland be playing Aug. 14,15,or 16?
>Message-ID: <1992Jul24.141834.5776@iscsvax.uni.edu>
>From: korver@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Juliana Korver )
>Date: 24 Jul 92 14:18:33 -0500
>Sender: Juliana Korver  Korver@cs.uni.edu 
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>Could someone please tell me where the Oakland A's will be playing the
>weekend to August 14,15 and 16?

>Thank you.
>Juliana Korver 
>korver@cs.uni.edu
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From: gt6930a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEHDE,KEVIN VAL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Braves up to 11
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:58:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Okay, I'll see if I can do this without posting long-dead files from other
discussions on other groups.

The Braves took their 11th in a row last night, beating the Cardinals 2-0.
The night before, it was the Braves' bats that saved the day, but last night,
it was John Smoltz' pitching.  He pitched 8 1/3 scoreless innings, and 
Kent Mercker came in and got Craig Wilson to ground into a game-ending double
play.

Justice extended his hitting streak to 12 games with a 2-for-4 performance, and
Sid Bream went 2-for-2 with a home run in the second that gave the Braves the
only lead they would need.

With Cincy losing to the Cubbies (shut out for the second night in a row!),
this puts Atlanta 1/2 game in front of the Reds in the West.  I guess it's 
true:  if you win all your games, you can pretty much count on winning the 
division.  Why wonder if the Reds lost?  Just make sure we win, and relax.


-- 
Kevin Lehde
Lover of cats, the stage, the female form, Toonces K. Templeton, 
the Incredible Hulk, college football (as a sport), Meloni, volleyball,
the Braves, Digger, God, sleeping in, and a rollicking good time.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jeffrey Hammonds
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:37:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <23019@oasys.dt.navy.mil> efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there have the college stats for Jeffrey Hammonds and/or
>opinions about his future?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Opinions sure. Hammonds is always being compared to Rickey Henderson
because they both play in the Bay Area. He reminds me a lot of Barry
Larkin when I first saw him at Michigan. He has a short stroke and a
strong body with a similar build to Larkin. Right now his power is
probably due to the aluminum bats, but in a few years he might learn
to turn on the ball and start hitting 15+ a year(the way both Rickey
and Larkin did in their careers).

Hammonds is fast, but I don't think he's as fast as his basestealing 
numbers at Stanford suggest. I think he'll steal 30-40 a year, but I
doubt he'll be near Rickey's level as a basestealer(but then who is).




Russ Smith
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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: Line up question
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.214032.1146333@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
 [ ... ]
>
>Well, last night the clean-up hitter for the Dodgers was:
>
>	Todd Benzinger
>
Maybe Tommy Lasorda figured they had nothing to lose.

Colin.

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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Re: Night of the Living Net AntiChrists (was Re: Redheaded Stranger)
Organization: Kirsch Enima Bags, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:08:40 GMT

In article <1473@cogsci.ucsd.EDU>, king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King) writes:
|> mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath) writes:
|> >lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) wrote:
|> >> So did everyone see who was the AL Player of the Week?
|> >
|> >I also understood that the AL Player of the Week stole home over the
|> >weekend.  Someone told me he accomplished this by pulling out a small
|> >revolver and shooting the pitcher, wherein he was able to 'strut his 
|> >stuff' from 3rd to home.
|> 
|> Well, actually it was like this:  man on first, Lansford on third.  The
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Okay, Okay.  I took philosophy once.  What this says to me is that Lansford is
not a man.  Let's reason it out:

A man has reached first base
Socrates is immortal
All men are mortal
Lansford runs like a wooden stump

Therefore:

Lansford is not a man - he is a HORSE

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From: stown@pyramid.COM (Scott Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: DODGER TEAM PLAYS A GREAT GAME
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:26:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

I went to the Dodger/Giant game on 7/29 at Candlestick. Going in to this game
the Dodgers had lost 7 straight including the last 2 to the Giants. Needless
to say, I went to the game expecting the worst and just hoped that the 
team would not play too poorly.

Surprise!! I was treated to one of the best Dodger efforts of this year.
Practically all the aspects of their game were good to excellent.
Below I summarize what happened.

PITCHING
========

Ramon Martinez piyched like the Ramon of old. He had a no-hitter going
until 1 out in the seventh. He was consistently getting the first pitch
to be a strike. He had both a good fast ball and some good breaking stuff.
He also fielded his position extremely well. He was part of a double play
when he covered 1B. He looked confident on the mound, and seemed to be able
to put the ball where he wanted to. In the bottom of the 8th he walked the
first batter on four pitches. After a brief discussion with Hernandez and
Perranowski he left the game almost running to the clubhouse. I would guess
that he either had stomach cramps or had become ill. However; his pitching
performance was truly a wonderful thing to watch.

The Dodger bullpen performed flawlwessly. Jay Howell and the "Candyman"
took care of the eighth inning and Roger McDowell took care of the ninth.
The bullpen allowed no runs, and together with Ramon reminded us Dodger
fans of the way that Dodger pitching has been in previous years.

DEFENSE
=======

NO ERRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This part of the game was almost as unreal as Ramon's pitching. Sharperson
played second and handled all of his plays with no errors. Hansen played
third and made several long throws to get his man. Offerman committed no
errors and looked good. In the outfield there were several nice running
catches. For this game at least the Dodgers looked like they had a quality
major league defense on the field.

HITTING
=======

Would you believe that the Long Ball is what won it today. A 3 run HR by
Karros and a 2 run HR by Hernandez were the big blows. Butler had a hit to
keep his streak alive at 13 consecutive games. He also had 2 walks and was
a real thorn for the Giant pitchers to deal with. Sharperson had a a timely
hit also. But mainly the team kept getting people on base and was able to
really capitalize on the 2 home runs.

LASORDA
=======

Even Tommy had a good day. I felt that his calls for steals and hit and run
were great. I also felt that his decisions to change relief pitchers was
also good. As I have said previously on this net, I believe that Tommy
should step down at the end of this season. But today, Tommy , like the
rest of the team, was up to the task!!

I don't expect this team to have too many more games like this one for the
rest of this season. But, seeing them play this well without Davis and Straw
even in uniform gives ne hope that better days are ahead!!
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 04:23:03 GMT

In article <92204.084513U39730@uicvm.uic.edu>, Norma Kateeb <U39730@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Are there any modern day flakes left in baseball?
>It seems that now that the players' salaries are so
>much higher, that very few guys are really playing for the
>pure love and enjoyment of the game.  I still love baseball
>but I think that there are too few wacko personalities out there.
>They used to give the game a lot of color and made it a lot more
>fun and interesting. Do we have guys today like Mark "The Bird"
>Fidrych" or Bill "Spaceman" Lee?  Even the managers are boring.
>No Earl Weavers or Billy Martins that I know of--totally colorless.

There was a book out a couple of years ago by a guy named Tim (?) Peary
(Dave? Not sure of the first name, but I'm sure of the last name) called
something like "Cult Baseball Heroes". It was a collection of stories
by various personalities (sportwriters, atheletes, celebritities)
reminiscing about their favorite childhood baseball heroes, many of
which were flakes like the ones mentioned above. Great nostalgic
stuff; I highly recommend the book.

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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cone threw how many pitches?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:53:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>I think probably many of the "old-timers" such as Gibson, Carlton, Ryan,
>Seaver, etc, regularly exceeded 150 pitches per games.

In fact, in Tom Seaver's 300th win, as an aging member of the White Sox, he
threw a CG of over 150 pitches. While I don't have an exact figure, I know it
was over 151, because the sportscasters cited that he had thrown 151 during a
break with two out in the ninth when Seaver was begging the manager to leave
him in for one more batter, whom he "got."

Tom Terrific's 300th was the only acceptable reason for me to be pleased with
a Yankee loss on Phil Rizzuto Day at the Stadium. The Scooter rides Seaver in
the booth every now and again about ruining his Day.....

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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Taking Third
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:07:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul29.172601.13911@u.washington.edu>,
hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel) writes:
>What is the value of third base when there are two outs?  Is it ever worth the
>risk to steal third with two outs?  I know the old saying "never make the first
>or third out of an inning at third," but is that always the case.  Can someone t
>tell me a situaltion when you go against this rule?

The only two justifications I can think of:

(1) There's a knuckleballer on the mound who has an arm twitch and also
    scuffs the ball, pitching to a myopic catcher, thus rendering the situation:

                    P(wp)+P(pb) > BA

    P(wp) Probability of a wild pitch
    P(pb) Probability of a passed ball
    BA    Batting average of player at bat

(2) The team in the field is the Mets, and the batter is a good contact,
    ground ball hitter, who can put the ball in play and "draw" the infield
    error in much the same was a basketball player draws a foul.

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From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/27 for LFs
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:20:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>NATIONAL LEAGUE
>Barry Bonds, Pittsburgh	11.03
>Moises Alou, Montreal		7.76
>Vince Coleman, New York	6.38
>Bernard Gilkey, St. Louis	5.92
>Ron Gant, Atlanta		5.08
> [etc.]

Since Alou and Coleman have been essentially part-timers, this means
that Bonds now has a 5 RC/27 lead over his nearest full-time
competitor in left field.

Which brings up the question: should there be a "Slaughter Rule" in MVP
Voting?

:-)

jking

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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Best Looking Swing
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:52:55 GMT

In article <92204.121229ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> 
>     When I watch a good hitter at the plate, they will show the swing of the
>   hitter in slow motion. IMHO the best looking swings I've seen are:
>         1) Dave Justice
>         2) Will Clark
>         3) Don Mattingly
>         4) George Brett
> 
>     These  are all good hitters. Of course, there are more but these are the
>   ones that I can name offhand. If you care to add more or comment on those
>   that I have just named  feel free. I know that George Brett was influenced
>   by Charlie Lau's  style of hitting, I don't know about the others though...
> 
In the All-Star Game last week, when Ken-Griffey Jr hit his homer opposite
field, he reminded me of Will Clark.  I don't follow the Mariners on a regular
basis though.  Anyone else (on Griffey) ?

Chris S.
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ease of RBI (was: Re: RP/PA for AL and NL (More bogus RP stats))
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:36:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: zariski.GRABINER.92Jul24143710
Organization: Harvard University Dept. of Mathematics
In-reply-to: dtate+@pitt.edu's message of 24 Jul 92 15:47:07 GMT

In article <3665@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, David M Tate writes:

> In article <1992Jul23.195215.21948@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:

>>RBI% for runner on 3b with <2 outs is greater than
>>RBI% for runner on 3b with 2 outs.

>>RBI% for runners on 2b with <2 outs is less than
>>RBI% for runners on 2b with 2 outs.

> I'm afraid this looks backwards to me, too.

> Why would the conversion rate go *up* with 2 outs?  Everything that works 
> with 2 outs still works with < 2 outs, plus various strange events like fly
> balls where the outfielder throws it away after making the catch...

Because the runner can go as soon as the ball is hit, instead of waiting
to see if it gets caught.  In addition, it is worth taking more risk to
score with two out.


--
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From: midway.uchicago.edu!mard@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clever Quote (Was: Warning to Sheffield Fans in S.D.)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:46:00 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
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In article <carl.711732116@warper.jhuapl.edu> carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl 
Lamy) writes:
>>[comments on value of stats deleted...]
>Valentine, Valentine, Valentine, when will you ever learn? (sigh) Joe
>Orsulak is the man, and watching him get important hits while the rest of
>the O's (Brady excluded) do nothing is all the proof real Orioles fans
>need. Don't give me his OBP and OPS stuff. 
>
>All TRUE Orioles fans, or for that matter, all TRUE b'ball fans, think Joe
>is the tops (of course, you are to be forgiven, as you think that the
>Bosox are a real baseball team and so obviously let your emotions get the
>better of you ;->)

 OK. Try this. I have Bradu Anderson, Cal Ripken (Jr.) and Joe Orsulak
on my Rotisserie team. Last night I'm at Comiskey Park watching the O's 
stick to the Pale Hose, and Brady walks, hits, scores, steals, etc., Cal gets
 
a sac fly and a run scored, and Joe Orsulak gets a useless double with no one
 
on base. Now THAT's the sign of a great player. Hell, Leo Gomez and Glenn 
Davis homered. Couldn't Joe do something useful? I guess his high BA is nice
(I certainly don't mind) but the truth is, the guy hits near the end of the
order because he is not a PRODUCTIVE batter. Period.
 And Doug, don't let Brian know that I said this. I've been defending
Joe Orsulak for weeks now, despite much ribbing from my evil roommate and 
Rotisserie foe.

     Nick
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