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From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Welcome to alt.fan.pern (Semi-monthly posting)
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:22:19 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <czpp7kb@lynx.unm.edu>
quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:

> (Also note that PernMUSH has Anne McCaffrey's blessing to exist.  I am
> uncertain about the status of the other MU*s.)

Again, as I posted in my reply to the original letter:

DF has a similar blessing, as said 'blessing' was a blanket statement
to all
MU*s currently running Pern themed areas which were 'in on' the initial
letter to Anne McCaffrey.  It is my understanding that at LEAST the
following
MU*s were part of that letter:

Pernth -> DragonsFire
PernMUSH
SouCon MUSH
SpellBound MUSH 

Each of these places were as much a part of the initial letter as
PernMUSH, as Moonchilde very gratiously allowed the 'leaders' of those
MU*s (or of the
Pern areas - in regards to Pernth/Laura) to, in effect, sign onto the
letter originally sent out.  If you are to include PernMUSH's blessing
in the FAQ, it is only fair to include the blessing for the MU*s which
were cosigners of that letter.

Falryx/F'lyr
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From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: Moreta
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:46:45 GMT

If people at the time did realize that Moreta died on Holth,
as many of them would have, they'd probably leap to the asuumption
that she could talk to any dragon in the Weyrs, and that would join
the legend surrounding that mysterious day.

Fortunately she didn't really have to put up with that, and only
heard Holth under unusual circumstances. :)


				-Shandra.
				(Hearing one is ENOUGH!)
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From: pallack@emily.uvm.edu (J'mes Pallack)
Subject: current list of PERN muds/mush's
Keywords: pern muds
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:21:07 GMT

Was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to fine
the list of current muds/mush's that are PERN related.  Right now the
only one that I have that works is Southern.  

or maybe post the list here?

Thanks in advance.

J'mes

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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: RE: The Moreta Legend
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:27:28 GMT

I've been reading the discussion about the discrepencies in the Moreta
legend and the book.  I agree with most people's opinions, but wanted to
add in my $.02

I think that the reason Masterharper Tirone kept Orlith and Moreta together
(instead of the reality of Holth and Moreta) is this:  can you imagine what
the "commoners" of Pern would have thought if they knew that a dragonrider
(and the head Weyrwoman at that) could ride other dragons like they were
their own?  It would probably come close to shattering the concept that
the dragonrider bond was unique.  It seemed, IMHO, that Moreta and Leri had
that to TWO dragons:  Holth and Orlith.
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From: aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo)
Subject: Re: RECIPE for BUBBLY PIES
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:23:34 GMT

Clarified means to heat the butter in a small bowl, whatever, until stuff
floats to the top and only clear butter/margarine/oleo/etc. remains on the
bottom with a foam on top..skim the foam off. The result is clarified butter.

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                 |                    | Stormbringer, Kithan
From: p00143@psilink.com (Steve Shim)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Pern Boardgame
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:54:27 GMT
Organization: K-tek
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From Alicia Presley @ K-Tek International, Inc.

For all those interested, I went in to my closet and pulled my copy out. 
Here is all of the description I can give to those looking:

Name:  Dragonriders of Pern Boardgame, Based on the novels by Anne McCaffery.

For 1 to 7 players
Ages 12 to Adult

Dragon Riders of Pern is a Registered Trademark of Anne McCaffrey 
Copyright, 1989 Ann McCaffery All Rights Reserved.  Used unter License.

From Mayfair Games Inc. (There is a number on the cover next to the 
company: 455)

ISBN: 0-92373-01-5

It really is a great game and I recommend it to all those who like to 
play board games who also love pern.

But, I did have to dig in my closet to find it, and It's only a year old 
(we got our copy at a game/hobby store)


If you do have any questions, or would like my further opinion, please 
feel free to e-mail me at work (address in header)

Alicia Presley
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:33:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <WVQRB5RG@cc.swarthmore.edu> edorn1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Evan Dorn) writes:
>
>Doing that for an entire movie would be beyond the budget of most movies
>I've ever seen, though.  Even T2 (which was not *constant* computer
>generation) was 160-170 million...  A great thought, but I don't think it's
>going to happen anytime soon.
>
>Evan Dorn


I don't want to speak for them, but Pixar is about to develop an
entirely computer generated feature, to be distributed by Buena
Vista.  It's feasible, all right, but probably *very* expensive.
$160-170 is probably too high an estimate.


- Robert Cook
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From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:41:52 GMT

<JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>For a live action movie...the only actor who immediately springs to mind as one
>of the characters is Sean Connery as Robinton.
>However, the logistical problems of dragons and fire lizards will make a live
>action movie nigh impossible...still, Connery could do the voice in the anime
>version... :-)

Perfect characterization! As long as he doesn't act too pompous, as some of
his roles have been. Although, it's not that far out of character, 
really... :)

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From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:03:17 GMT
 <1992Oct5.200421.28264@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> 
 <dragon.718430212@camelot> <UeokKlu00UhWM2iZBh@andrew.cmu.edu>  
 <92281.163325JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <92281.163325JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> accent of his voice...ever see Highlander, Red October, and the James Bond
> movies?  He's got a different accent each time.  Of course there's going to > be


Normally I don't go for sound-bite posting.. but I just had to.  I'm a
russian major (ack! go figure?) and was excited to see Red October with
Connery.  Aside from some serious butchering of the Cyrillic alphabet
in the beginning (NO! the 'backwards R' does _not_ correspond to a
Latin 'r')... Connery's Russian was.. well unintelligible.  His accent
was really really heavy in my opinion.

'course he coulda been speaking Latvian.. in which case, I wouldn't
understand it anyway. :)

(or Lithuanian, or Georgian, or Estonian, or..)  

Anyway - back on track.  While Connery always has a 'whatever'-accent
with a heavy scottish tinge, he's a great actor. :) I'd love to see him
as a Robinton.

Falryx

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From: dohertyf@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: On the equaltiy and abilities of dragons...
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:35:05 GMT

> 
> BTW I just noticed, and it may have been mentioned... but alessan v lessa
> Both Ruathan....
> 
> Eccles
> 

I thought I heard something concerning the exceptional sensitivity of 
Ruathan decendants impressing with dragons in general, and queens in particular

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From: ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang)
Subject: Re: Moreta - hearing dragons - query
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:54:06 GMT


	Apologies if you've discussed this before, but I have to Know:

	Did Moreta really hear dragons, as stated in legend? In
'Moreta', it seems the dragons spoke to her; she didn't really hear them
like Lessa did.
	Any answers?
From: pjh@vernon.noname (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: All The Weyrs of Pern (SPOILERS)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:38:59 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@vernon.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 13368@cbis.ece.drexel.edu, vlsi1@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (J "have a jet ski" Ferrara) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.182003.14769@eng.cam.ac.uk> pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>
[My question about how dragons/firelizards can survive in a vacuum deleted]

>
>Lets assume dragons, like humans and most carbon based life, are mostly water.
>Water doesn't compress, so a dragon wouldn't burst or explode or bloat much
>(as long as it didn't try to hold it's breath). Another problem would be blood
>in surface capillaries boiling away, but if your skin is thick enough, and the
>capillaries deep enough, that wouldn't be much of a problem. Humans can survive
>is a vacuum for a short time, and would generally die of asphyxiation before
>the pressure differential caused any major damage. Just make dragons a bit
>tougher than humans, and hanging out in a vaccum isn't an unreasonable thing.
>
True, water doesn't compress but what about gases dissolved in it? If the external 
pressure is removed they would tend to come out of solution. Also at one point
Ruth states that he _is_ holding his breath. Assuming he cannot get an airtight
seal on the inlet to his lungs, the breath he is "holding" will leak out (at least) 
leaving his lungs at zero pressure which should cause lung damage. I can accept
that tougher/thicker skin would solve some problems but I still find it hard to
accept that he survives the experience with _no_ problems. A human exposed to a
vacuum may not explode but he may have lung damage, extensive bruising, eye
problems? I prefer Angela Kay's (I think I have the right name there) that they
can do it because they _think_ they can.

Philippa

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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: running water
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:32:37 GMT

I think that the wyers that have runing water would probly have axcess to a
stream that is up *higher* in the mountines so that every thing will flow
without moters or be above an underground resavoure with enufe presuer to 
flow upward. Best to start with altitude maps of the difrint areas. 
preferably with streams clearly marked.

ELF-KIN
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Recipe for Bubbly Pies 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:39:39 +0000


In article <BvpsJ3.17G@andy.bgsu.edu> eporter@andy.bgsu.edu writes:

>I don't have the recipe from the DLG on hand, but we did have the bubblies
>once and the crust was, well, icky. Really dry.  I'd recommend you look
                               ^^^^^

Shouldn't that be - MUSHy?  <g,d&rvf>

I've found with pastry that I always need to add at least twice the
water the recipe says to get it to work.  I haven't tried making bubbly
pies myself, yet, but I've had someone else's, and they were fine...

>Recipe? Who needs a recipe? :)

Well, true - but neos to the fine art of cooking tend to feel more
secure with one <g>...

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From: scott@athena.mit.edu (Scott D Bradburn)
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.164029.12222@eecs.nwu.edu>, phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.020419.24100@tamsun.tamu.edu>, di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies) writes:
|> |> Only in the first book was mention ever made of this talent of Lessa's.
|> 
|> I believe that is incorrect.  I remember in Dragonquest, at Jaxom's
|> impression, during the discussion of what to do with Jaxom and Ruth,
|> that Lessa was "leaning" on certain individuals involved in the 
|> conversation.  Now it's been awhile since I last read the books, but
|> I believe this is accurate.
|> 
|> |> can see the omission with the generation after Lessa, but it was such an
|> |> interesting concept that I wish it had been explored further.
|> 
|> I agree.  It seems to be another one of AM's unelaborated ideas.  One
|> possible way of explaining this is that dragonriders are more susceptible
|> to mental interference, and since Lessa is mostly with dragonriders, she
|> can't really use her "leaning" abilities much.  What I recall of the 
|> incident I mentioned above is that she was "leaning" on one or two lord
|> holders (i.e.: NOT dragonmen).
|> 
|> 		William LeFebvre
|> 		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
|> 		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
|> 		Northwestern University
|> 		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>

I believe she also tries to use this trick on Toric near the end of 'The
White Dragon' and also in 'The Renegades of Pern'  (Same event, two slightly
different perspectives.)  This is when she's trying to convince Toric to
allow Jaxom to marry Sharra, and also discussing the extent of his southern
holdings.  I remember lines to the effect of, 'Toric felt inexplicably
light headed' when told from Toric's perspective in Renegades, and something
in the White Dragon about Toric rubbing absently at the back of his head.
I think there's more, but it's hard to remember.  I do know I got the distinct
feeling that that's what Lessa was doing at the time I read it.

				-Scott
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 11:50:35 -0400 
From: Ann Laurel Kopchik <amergina+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Moreta

Moreta was the first Pern book I read.  I do not recomend reading it
first.  I was *very* depressed at the end, and when I went to read the
other pern books, I had a hard time getting into them because of the
"new" characters.

However I overcame this difficulty :-)

Moreta is sort of "The forgotten Pern book"  No one really ever mentions
it.  I thought is was one of the better books she wrote.

-my $.02 worth

-Ann
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From: terjef@dhhalden.no (TERJE FRAFJORD)
Subject: Re: Convention Announcement
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.182644.16461@quest.UUCP> curtis%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu writes:
>From: curtis%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu
>Subject: Convention Announcement
>Date: 30 Sep 92 18:26:44 GMT
>
>                        DIVERSICON
>                      June 18-20, 1993
>                 Mineapolis-St.Paul Minnesota
>
>Science Fiction, Science Fantasy, Fantasy, Fandom, Writer's Workshop
>
>An electronic flyer for Diversicon has been posted on alt.fandom.cons &
>rec.arts.sf.fandom.  Please check it out and pass it on to anyone who
>might be interested.  A.C. Crispin will hold a Writer's Workshop.
>
>Curtis S. Gibson   curt%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu
From: mpf1@ra.msstate.edu (Morris P. Fields)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: listings
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:59:07 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

Is there anyone out there that can e-mail or post
a listing of all the books that Anne McCaffrey
has published in the US.  I have looked in the
front of some of her books but they never seem
to give a complete list, would someone please 
help me with this?
	Thank you.
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:43:16 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <2ad65bc6.13d6@castor.acs.calpoly.edu> bnash@castor.acs.calpoly.edu (Barb Nash) writes:
>In a previous article, Ann Laurel Kopchik spake thus:
>>
>>Um.. What would be the "normal" accent of Pern?  In Renagades, Avis had
>>to adjust for lingual shifts... perhaps "with out a trace or regional
>>accent" would sound like an accent to us.  
>
>Since Anne lives in Ireland, I always mentally "heard" the characters
>with an Irish accent.  But then, when singing, even the british "lose"
>their accent, so for Robinton to have no "regional accent" it would
>seem logical for his singing and speaking to sound the same...

Well, remember that Anne was born in New Jersey and still retains the
accent (judging from the AtWoP audiotape).  I don't know when she
moved to Ireland, so the relevance of this datum is questionable. ;-)

>Barb Nash                 "We know now why Moses wandered for 40 years in the
>bnash@polyslo.calpoly.edu  desert.  Like most men, he was too stubborn to ask 
>bnash@nike.calpoly.edu     for directions."  --unknown

-- 
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 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: A BAD Time (To Knock it Off) Story.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:34:20 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

You know, I think Tachyon is correct about how the posts insisting
that a thread end can be more annoying than the thread itself. ;-)

(Yeah, yeah...more fuel for the fire, no doubt.)
-- 
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 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: clarified
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:35:36 GMT
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

As the definition was mentioned early just thought to add that you shouldnt
havd to do this as I beleave that it has been done in procesing. The term
is used in old resapes from whin people made there own butter or bought
butter that someone else had made in a chern.

ELF-KIN
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re: Film possiblitiy???
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:24:11 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


<I have to disagree with my WeyrLeader and agree with the nomination of
<Peter O'toole for the part.

He'd be ok.  I still see him as Jaxom's supervisor.

<Someone mentioned Anime...I am a great fan of the style but I do agree The
<flavour of Pern would be best served by Live actors...The story of Pern is
<one of Humanity...and as much as i like Anime...its not _good_ cinema.

I mentioned anime since animation is the only option I can see.  And Japanese
animation is the best.  *ducking from Beauty and the Beast fanatics*  I can
argue with you about good cinema but it wouldn't change either of our
opinions.:):):)  computer animation is a possiblity, as well as making tons of
dragon models. (egads, visions of actors in a large rubber dragon's paw cross
my mind....urk!)

Below is my 2 marks worth of opinions.  They are just random thoughts, add your
own!  I'm aware people will disagree with some.  Got to keep a sense of humor
about these things, esp since the movie won't come out till 2084.":)

Live action could be done, it will just be horrendous in budget.

Sean Young is perfect for Lessa.:)

<Brian Blessed as Fandarel the MasterSmith (Blessed was Voltan in Flash Gorden,
<the uncle of Henry the Vth in Branagh's Hank V and many other roles)
<
<Rowan Atchkinson would make an Awesome Wansor (Rowan is the Black Adder)

neat.

<
<The Baldwin brothers (Well two of them at least) would make Good F'lar and
<F'nors...

No Baldwins.  Too weak in the face.:)

Check out Covington Cross, we might find some casting in there.:)

OK: What more to toss in the pot?  

Arnold Schwartzenegger as Mnemeth.  *whack!* Just kidding.

Weird thought: Christian Slater as Jaxom.  
Maybe too wierd?  

Anne McCaffery herself HAS to make a Cameo appearance.

No, Molly Ringwald will NOT be Menolly.

F'lar and F'nor are hard to cast!

--Akane

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