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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:24:59 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <Bxo9z3.Kzx@world.std.com> lmh@world.std.com (Larry M  
Headlund) writes:
> 	Also,  I notice you state that a public servant,  for which I  
read
> public employee,  should be willing to accept less of a pay  
increase than
> the norm.  Why?

Well, certainly the benefits are better in the public sector,
at least in terms of days off.  At most private companies, we get
about 8-10 holidays per year.  In some, a couple of these may
be floaters, so that if you want to take off Martin Luther King
Day or Veterans Day, you can use a floater for it. However, in
the public sector, they tend to get all these holidays off. I'd 
guess that they get 5 more holidays per year than those of us
in the private sector.  I'd be willing to pay the folks in
the public sector more in exchange for more days worked
per year.

Part of this, I think, is that the heads of the public employees'
unions tend to use emotional, misleading arguments to make
sure they get all possible holidays off:  "What, we don't all
get Veteran's Day off?  This shows you don't care about veterans.
What, you think we shouldn't all get Martin Luther King Day off?
You bigot!"  And on and on, ignoring the fact that in the private
sector most of us have to chose which of several holidays we want
off: I can take of Martin Luther King Day or Veterans Day, but not
both.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: cher@ksr.com (Mike Cherepov)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: State Socialism
Keywords: for Mr. Yodaiken
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:22:57 EST
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

In article <56233@dime.cs.umass.edu> yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
>So, the transition of Czarist Russia, a nation which had an industrial base
>which was the laughingstock of the world, to the USSR of the 1960's was
>accomplished without *creation* of wealth? Where did all the factories,
>roads, bridges, science institutes, literate workers, ..... all the stuff
>of which modern economies are built, where did it all come from? 

The economy of the Czarist Russia, that "laughingstock of the
world", grew very rapidly in this century until 1914 (WW1).  In fact,
industrial production of the USSR in many categories did not catch
up with pre-Bolshevik Russia until well after WW2.  I would guess
that the nutritional levels of Czarist Russia were never achieved
by the USSR.  That Communists, who ruined every economy they got
their hands on (let's not forget ecological costs, slave labor and
such), were an improvement over Russia's burgeoning capitalism is
a weird claim indeed for 1992.

The economy of the USSR is now shambolic, with the total size of the
economy, paradoxically, less than the value of raw materials that go
into it.  This economy is emphatically lacking in "all the stuff of
which modern economies are built."  Then again, I would not deny that
the USSR has had its hits, notably with space and military.  Nor am
I saying that there was no growth - most of it in the wrong places
and way too slow compared to the West's.

>There were many problems with the USSR's idiotic economic and political
>system, but the religious dogma of capitalism will not help us to understand
>them.

Ah, yes, but the empirically proven wealth-creation practice and theory
of capitalism just might do the trick.
	Mike Cherepov
From: mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Taxes (was Re: Butt-F***ed in Massachussetts)
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:25:23 GMT
Reply-To: mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman)
Distribution: ne
Organization: Bull HN Info Sys, Billerica MA

In article <BxzHz8.HMq@world.std.com>, rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
|> The Great and General Court of the Commenwealth of Massachussetts has done
|> it again.  They (with their veto-proof Democratic majority) are repaying
|> all the effort of those sterling citizens who live off the blood of
|> Massachussetts taxpayers by pushing through a 13% raise in wages. When was
|> the last time you received a 13% raise in wages comrades?

I seem to recall hearing that it has been several years since the last
one (I'm somewhat new to MA, so I don't know).  Is that correct?

|> And that is not all. Jim Broudie the God-Father of the Broudie bunch has
|> rammed through a proposal to go to the graduated income tax. 

As I recall from my pay stub, I'm paying a state tax aready.  Can
someone elaborate how this proposal will change the tax burden?

--Mike Gelman

(I'll let someone else deal with the "morality of taxes and welfare"
issues.  I suspect that to be a discussion swamp.)

-- 
Michael Gelman -- M.Gelman@ma30.bull.com 
Bull HN Info Systems -- Advanced Engineering Program 
(Any similarity between my opinions and those of Bull, living or dead, are
entirely coincidental.)
From: pas@kepler.unh.edu (Paul A Sand)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: A new tax system ... was Vote...
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:37:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

db: Dave Borden

db: In return for not having an income tax or sales tax, New Hampshire
    has very high property taxes (at least that's what I've heard -
    correct me if I'm wrong - but they have to get revenue in some way.)
    [...]

You're not wrong. On the other hand, the overall tax burden by most
measures is low compared to other states.

db: I read in the Economist, a British news magazine, that Arneson
    wanted to _eliminate_ property taxes and replace them with the
    income tax. [...]

Well, not really. Property tax is collected at the local level, not
by the state. Arnesen alleged that a large fraction of the income tax
collected in her plan would go back to the cities and towns, allowing
them to decrease property tax rates. (I don't believe elimination
was an option.)

Her opponents simply pointed out that this supposedly desirable result
had never, ever, occurred in any state that imposed a broad-based tax.
I don't think she had an effective comeback to that. And, as you know,
she lost.
-- 
-- Paul A. Sand           | A socialist is someone who is deathly afraid
-- Univ. of New Hampshire | that someone, somewhere, is making a profit.
-- pas@kepler.unh.edu     |     (apologies to H. L. Mencken)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Re: Butt-Fucked in Massachussetts
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:45:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.170349.26652@siia.mv.com> drd@siia.mv.com (David Dick) writes:
>In <By1HqJ.EMt@world.std.com> lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund) writes:
>
>
>>	Assuming you are refering to income transfer payments,  the ratio
>>of direct benefits to administration is more like 4 to 1.  And if you reduce
>>administration costs then you are also eliminating the oversite that 
>>catches cheats.
>
>*reducing* administration costs does not necessarily mean 
>*eliminating* the oversite that catches cheats.
>
>A better way to put it would be to say that some of the administrative
>cost is necessary to catch cheating, in order to avoid either
>higher total costs, or less of the funds going to the intended recipients.
>
	I stand corrected,  I phrased too strongly my point that
administration costs != waste.

	By the way,  I have seen both in this group and in the media
statements to the effect that the anticipated $ 900 million deficit will
be caused by the 13 % raise.  Let us do the numbers:

Number of employees subject to raise:	< 70,000

900,000,000 /70,000 * 1.00/.13 ~ 99, 000 base pay

The average base pay of state employees is 99K?  Who is kidding who?

What we are missing this year is the half billion windfall from the Feds
the state got in 1991.  Said windfall discovered by one of those evil
state employees.


-- 
Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345 
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Change of title
Summary: Cleaning up my act
Keywords: Butt-Fucked
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:07:59 GMT

I wish to apologize for the crude language in my previous posting. I
entitled it Butt-Fucked in Massachussets. That was crude (but truthful). I
here by change it to Analy Penetrated in Massachussetts.

Conan the Penitent.


Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:25:50 GMT

In article <1e8egbINNb3g@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>In article <Bxo9z3.Kzx@world.std.com> lmh@world.std.com (Larry M  
>Headlund) writes:
>> 	Also,  I notice you state that a public servant,  for which I  
>read public employee,  should be willing to accept less of a pay  
>increase than the norm.  Why?
>
>Well, certainly the benefits are better in the public sector,
>at least in terms of days off.  
	(deleted)
	The more days off would be reflected in the base pay, hence should
be irrelevant to an increase.  This better benefits, better security angle 
is one of the reasons public jobs have historically had a lower pay scale 
than equivalent private sector jobs,  when there is an equivalent 
private sector job.

>(public service) unions tend to use emotional, misleading arguments to make
>sure they get all possible holidays off:  
(deleted)

	I think the reason is that it's easier to negotiate a day off from
the goverment than a pay increase.  After all,  if the RMV is closed for 
an extra day per year,  it doesn't impact their gross revenue. 
-- 
Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345 
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: More on the Pay Raise
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:13:32 GMT

Governor Weld has pointed at that the payraise recently pushed by the
Greate and General Court into our somewhat vulnerable and tender nether
regions will put the Commonwealth about $900,000,000 dollars into the
hole. The Democratic majority leader has admitted that the raise will put
the state into deficit but argues that the amount is not as large as Weld
asserts.

As you can plainly see, the G and G C is trying to force an increase in
taxes upon the economically prostrate bodies of workers and firms in the
People's Republic of Massachussetts.

Well guys you get what you ask for. First you defeat question 3 in 1990,
then you unelect Republican members of the House (o.k. so they are dunces,
but at least they are against raising taxes). You have in effect invited a
shipload of sexed starved sailors into port to have their way with the
maidens.

Confucious say, when rape inevitable, relax and enjoy it.

Enjoy it.

Conan the Pissed.

Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Re: WBZ running program on Public Employee Slackers
Keywords: Slackers,Goof-offs,Government Inefficiency
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:44:02 GMT

In article <By6B24.BAw@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>WBZ is running a television investigative report on public employee
>slacker. The program was described on WBZ radio this A.M. According to the
>man who put the investigative report together, workers in the Boston Sewer
>Dept. and Workers on the MBTA put in maximum 4 hours work for eight hours
>pays. Sometimes they put in as little as 1 hour of work of eight hours of pay.
>
>
>These are the sort of people who are going to get a 13% raise at your
>expense and mine.
>

Point of Information:  None of the mentioned groups are are subject to
the raise in question.
	Of course, "sort of people" casts your net wide enough to haul
in any catch you want.  With the same logic,  one could point to a 
police officer or fireman wounded or killed in the line of duty and 
say these are the "sort of people" getting a raise.  Not germane in either
case.
 


-- 
Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345 
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Butt-Fucked in Massachussetts
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:18:44 GMT

The Great and General Court of the Commenwealth of Massachussetts has done
it again.  They (with their veto-proof Democratic majority) are repaying
all the effort of those sterling citizens who live off the blood of
Massachussetts taxpayers by pushing through a 13% raise in wages. When was
the last time you received a 13% raise in wages comrades?

And that is not all. Jim Broudie the God-Father of the Broudie bunch has
rammed through a proposal to go to the graduated income tax. This will be
on the ballot in 1994 where I *hope* the still wise and sane folk of the
Commonwealth will knock it down for the fifth time.  Broudie and his
tax-happy friends just don't get it. The vast majority of the middle class
(or what is left of it) do *not* want to support the basket cases of the
world through tax financed government programs. In additon to being
unloved and immoral, this approach is fraudulent, since 60 cents(at least)
of every dollar raised in taxes for the comfort of the poor, ends up in
the burocracy anyway.  Besides how many of you wan't to support slutty
young woman in their occupation of making babies they can't afford to feed
and educate. Screw'em and let them starve.

Conan the Indignant "I never met a welfare case that I liked" -- not Will
Rogers.
From: harsha@ksr.com (Paul Harsha)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: WBZ running program on Public Employee Slackers
Keywords: Slackers,Goof-offs,Government Inefficiency
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:42:43 EST

rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:

>WBZ is running a television investigative report on public employee
>slacker. The program was described on WBZ radio this A.M. According to the
>man who put the investigative report together, workers in the Boston Sewer
>Dept. and Workers on the MBTA put in maximum 4 hours work for eight hours
>pays. Sometimes they put in as little as 1 hour of work of eight hours of pay.

>His description of the various modes of time killing he observed would be
>funny I we weren't paying for it.

>These are the sort of people who are going to get a 13% raise at your
>expense and mine.

>You guys wanted a return to "compassionate" government and an end to
>trickle down. Well you are going to get. Now instead of trickle down, we
>will have screw-up.

I don't see how "compassionate government" or "an end to trickle down" is
responsible for the above.  I'm not even sure who "You guys" are.  Please
explain. 

-Paul
--
   Paul Harsha (harsha@ksr.com)               Kendall Square Research Corp.
From: kens@think.com (Ken Sullivan)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Need tickets
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:02:28 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation


I need two tickets to the Michael Bolton show on December 29th.
If anyone has any or knows somewhere I can get them for a reasonable 
price please email me.


Thanks, 

Ken Sullivan
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: fmrco!msommer@uunet.uu.net (Mark Sommer)
Subject: NE Ski House/Condo Wanted, January, Mid-week
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:18:34 GMT

I'm soliciting recommendations of places to stay near nice ski areas
in New England. We're currently thinking about vacationing sometime in
January. We would like:

  o to have access to both downhill and cross country skiing
  o (very) comfortable accomodations for 4 adults and 2 toddlers
  o a place with mid-week availability, hopefully keeping expenses
    under control

Thanks in advance for any leads.

mark 

--
Mark Sommer
Fidelity Management and Research
From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Wanted: IBM Comp. Laptop
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:09:02 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jimmy.harvard.edu


[Posting this for a friend that does not have Net access]

Wanted: IBM comp. laptop -- needed to do word processing
        (Word Perfect, mainly) and file transfers.

Requirements:

o       Less than $300.00 price.
o       At least one 3.5" internal DD (HD optional).
o       Nearly full-sized kybd (again, no palm-tops).

Please reply to:

Paul Bickford
bickford@jimmy.harvard.edu

Thanks.
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: halberst@world.std.com (jerry halberstadt)
Subject: ergonomic computer chair
Summary: adjustable, comfortable chair for computer work
Keywords: chair, computer, comfortable
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:58:21 GMT

I'm looking for the fully-featured ergonomic chair but unable to pay the
new store price. Features: adjustabvle height of seat; adjust angle of
seat; adjust front/back of the seat back. Color not important.

Please specify brand and price asked.

I'm in Cambridge so it should be in greater boston. 

And please reply by email or phone.

Thank you.

halberst@world.std.com
Tel: 617-661-3851
-- 
Jerry Halberstadt	New Technology Publishing, Inc.
POB 9183: c/o Mailboxes Etc.(#110)
955 Mass. Ave., Cambridge MA 02139 USA
617-661-3851		halberst@world.std.com
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: frisch1@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan Katz)
Subject: Marlins or Rockies tickets
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:52:29 GMT

I am looking for tickets to the opening games of either the Marlins or Rockies.
If anyone has any info, or if you have tickets to sell, please let me know via
email (frisch1@athena.mit.edu)
Thanks!
From: tlin@metasoft.UUCP (Tse-Hsin Lin)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: DEC VT220 wanted
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:52:18 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Meta Software Corporation, Cambridge MA



I am looking for a DEC VT220 terminal for my Sparc Server.

If you have an old one to go either for free or some $$,
please email me. 

Thank you

-tlin@metasoft.com
-- 
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Cambridge, MA 02140 USA			Tel       : 617-576-6920
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: **WANTED** Ski type Exerciser
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 16 NOV 92 08:46:45 EST


I am interested in some sort of cross-country skiing type exercise machine. 

Regards,
Steve.

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From: mep@reatta.camb.inmet.com (Mark Polhamus)
Subject: Yakima Rack Parts wanted
Organization: Intermetrics Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:11:54 GMT

I would like to buy a Yakima auto rack system or parts thereof.

My car has rain gutters, so if you have replaced your rack for your new
aero-style car here's your chance to sell the parts you can't use...

-- Mark Polhamus
-- mep@inmet.inmet.com
-- (617) 489 4629
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: dustin@miki.pictel.com (Dustin Clampitt)
Subject: Need General Contractor w/references
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:29:39 GMT


I need the names and numbers of general contractors
in the Boston area who can provide verifiable references.  

The work I need done is in Waltham, if geographic location
is any consideration.


Thanks,

Dustin Clampitt


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From: thiebaut@sophia.smith.edu (Dominique Thiebaut)
Subject: 2114 RAM Chips
Organization: Smith College
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:03:18 GMT

I am looking for *OLD* 2114 1Kx4 static RAM chips.  450ns access time is
fine.  If you have any of these dinosaures in the bottom of a drawer
somewhere, would you be willing to sell them?  I need them for HeathKit
microprocessor kits we use in our labs.

Thanks.

Dominique Thiebaut
thiebaut@sophia.smith.edu
(413) 585 3854 or (413) 253 5740
From: j_aruna@pavo.concordia.ca (JAYAN ZE GREAT)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Wanted: ModPlay program***
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:42:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi!
	I managed to get some modules for this program but so far *not*
the program. So I've got these modules sitting here waiting to be played.
If anyone would mind pointing me in the right ftp-ing direction....

	Thanks...


	Calmly,

	*JaYaN*
From: JMW123@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Sublet Wanted!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:50:39 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Help! I am in dire need of a sublet.  I have a fully furnished efficienct
available one block form PSU Campus.  The rent is $255 per month (includes
everything) BUT IS VERY NEGOTIABLE!!!!!  If you or someone you know needs a
place to stay, please contact me either through e-mail or at 814-867-9805. (Ask
for Jill).
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: 40th Birthday Gift Ideas Needed
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:44:27 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.



I have been invited to a surprise 40th birthday bash, and I need
good gift ideas.

I know this person medium-well, and would like to get a gift that
is very humorous, decent in taste (not too vulgar), and unique.  If possible,
maybe even somewhat practical!  (But humor and uniqueness is my first
priority.)
The receivee does have a sense of humor, and doesn't like to be reminded
of the new decade he is entering.  As for characteristics, his is young-
looking, exercises, and travels lots for business.

Since I have never been to a 40th, I figure there have got to be a ton
of folks out there who have either given or received that 'ultimate'
gift.

Thanks a heap,
Kathryn
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Newsgroups: ne.jobs
From: ssilver@world.std.com (Sally Jablon Silver)
Subject: GUI DEVELOPMENT (recruiter)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:32:06 GMT


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Knowledge of OS/2, Unix, MS-Dos are required as well as a
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Pond Rd, Waltham, MA 02154, 617-890-7272; or via email at 
ssilver@world.std.com; or via fax at 617-890-0538.

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