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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Help identifying a font
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:48:05 GMT

In article 1g4hesINN1u9@uniko.uni-koblenz.de, litauer@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Christoph Litauer) writes:
>	I need some help in identifying a particular font. It's very
>	much like Helvetica but the 'a' and 'l' must look like this:
>
>	   @@@ @@			@@
>	  @@ @@@@			@@
>	 @@   @@@			@@
>	 @@    @@			@@
>	 @@   @@@			@@
>	  @@ @@@@			@@
>	   @@@ @@			@@
>					@@
>					@@@@	
>				         @@@
>
>	Anybody ever seen this one? It's used in german schoolbooks for
>the first years.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Christoph Litauer                                  litauer@infko.UUCP      
>Universitaet Koblenz,                              litauer@infko.uni-koblenz.de
>Rechenzentrum,                                     Voice: +49 261 9119-641
>Rheinau 3-4, D-5400 Koblenz, Germany               Fax:   +49 261 9119-499
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I Can't swear to it, but this might be the Adobe DIN family
(DIN Mittelschrift, DIN Engschrift, and a couple of others).
I know that these fonts are German--they're the official fonts
used by the German government for official signs or something
like that.  I don't have my chart in front of me, but I know
that the "l" looks like the one you've drawn above.

   --Dave.

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         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: stritzi@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peer Stritzinger)
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:18:40 GMT

gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan) writes:

>The thought of automatic antialiasing for screen fonts suggests a
>somewhat unrelated question: does any software for generating hardcopy
>on electrostatic devices automatically consider questions of
>charge-leakage near corners when setting at low resolution (300 dpi or
>so)? Is there a reasonable way to incorporate this into hinting
>languages and has this been done?

Yes this has been done in METAFONT over ten years ago. The printer
description parameters 'blacker' and 'fillin' do this.

The hinting possibilities in METAFONT are far more advanced than in
Type 1.

--
Peer Stritzinger
stritzi@physik.tu-muenchen.de
From: mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: I have heard wordperfect 5.2 includes atm 2.5, what improvements?
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:21:45 GMT
Reply-To: dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
Organization: DOS Bears

In article <7463@dove.nist.gov> gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.204447.20448@a.cs.okstate.edu> munn@a.cs.okstate.edu (MUNN THOMAS JOSEPH) writes:
>>I have recently bought the upgrade to wp 5.2 which is said to include the
>>atm 2.5.  What improvements does version 2.5 have ?  (I haven't received
>>the wp upgrade yet)?
>
>Adobe's announcement (which I refer to from memory, not having a copy
>to hand) said that 2.5 is supposed to send soft fonts, rather than a
>full-page bitmap to laser printers. This should speed up printing
>substantially and reduce the size of files created by print-to-file.
>There may have been some other improvements, but this is the one that
>stuck with me from the announcement.  They said something about an
>early 1993 release date.

Nope.  I've already got my copy.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: shmueli@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Avinoam Shmueli (Avi))
Subject: Request- Hebrew TERMINAL font / Israeli MS-Win info
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:24:32 GMT

Hello,

This message intended specifically for Israeli or Hebrew-oriented Win 3.1
users out there: your input will be appreciated!

Aim:     Getting Israeli Hebrew DOS programs, such as Einstein
         HebrewWriter, for example, to run _windowed_.
Problem: Terminal font used in windowed sessions does not support
         the Israeli character set, using Hebrew chars. in high ASCII values.
Request: Is there a special Israeli edition of MS-Windows? If so, what
         special features and support does it offer? If not, is there
         at least a special Hebrew-compatible font for windowed DOS
         applications out there?
Note:    This is not a request for info re: Hebrew fonts in general, but
         specifically for DOS window fonts compatible w/ Israeli standard. 

Any suggestions and pointers welcome. I do not plan on trying to modify
the existing font myself, however. Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: vkautto@snakemail.hut.fi (Vesa P Kautto)
Subject: Anyone has a Adobe Type 1 Format book to sell?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp.fonts, comp.sys.next.misc
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:00:25 GMT

Hello everybody,

I recently read this from comp.fonts.

>> Jamie Gulden,jamison@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU writes:
>>
>>I think somebody recently posted info about the Adobe Type 1 Font
>>Formats book.  My local bookstore says that it won't be available
>>until sept 93.  Is this right?  Is there any other documentation
>>(maybe from adobe) about the format?
>>
>>Thanks, Jamie

Jamie seems to be right about that it is not going to be available from
bookstores for some time (ie. for several months).

I REALLY need a copy of it ASAP so if there is someone somewhere who is willing
sell his or hers own "Adobe Type 1 Format" book I would like to hear about
you. Any other help in this question is also very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

VKa

Finally, here is someone else's description of the book.

Title:  	Adobe Type 1 Font Format
		Copyright 1990 Adobe Systems
		Part #: LPS0064
The book cover is primarily black & white, with a HUGE ampersand (&) on the 
cover.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk)
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:50:31 GMT

pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
>
>The most bizarre point is that, except for Acorn, nobody seems to use
>grayscale fonts (which are essentially indeed filtered high resolution
>bitmaps), and it is so bizarre considering:
>
>* Virtually all current Apple machines, and virtually all machines that
>  run MS Windows can display grayscale or color (and have had this
>  ability for years).
>
>* Antialiased fonts greatly improve the apparent resolution of text,
>  much more so than hinted bitmaps from outlines (and at very little
>  cost in storage, and probably to an advantage in time).

* Macintosh system software has supported grayscale fonts for a _long_
  time (since the Mac II).  I've never seen a nice grayscale font for
  the Mac though.  If someone has one, please send it to me (hqx'ed)
  (or point me to an ftp site).

A related question is why line drawing on the Mac (StdLine) doesn't
anti-alias.  Too expensive?  I won't believe that!

Freek
--
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and an object is quantitative, not qualitative.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jos@bull.nl (Jos Vos)
Subject: Re: Downloading a PS font permanently?
Organization: Bull, P.O. Box 22859, NL-1100 DJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:59:17 GMT

Decker@Themis.CS.UMASS.EDU (Keith Decker) writes:

>How do I download a (PostScript) font (say, a .pfa or .pfb file)
>*permanently* onto the printer from Unix?

A .pfa file can be downloaded permanently (that is, being available in
*all* jobs until the printer is turned off) by sending the following line
to the printer just before the .pfa file (in the same job!):

	0 serverdict begin exitserver

Be sure that the .pfa following is not starting with a ^D, so that it
starts a new job.

I think .pfb files can not be downloaded directly. They first have to
be converted to .pfa format. There are utilities to do this conversion.

-- 
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--    Bull Nederland NV, Product Support Unix, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
From: gouvea@zariski.harvard.edu (Fernando Gouvea)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Goudy Hundred
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:26:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec14.142625.18479
Distribution: world
Organization: Colby College Dept. of Math/CS

Several recent posts mentioned the Goudy Hundred font... I'm very fond of
this font, which I have in a shareware version obtained (I think) from
mac.archive.umich.edu. The only complaints I have have to do with the lack
of accented characters and the like. Does anyone know of a version that is
more complete? Or even of a commercial version?

Thanks!


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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: bussmann@namu01.gwdg.de (Carsten Bussmann 29207253)
Subject: Re: Simple question...
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen, Germany
	<1f5b85INN7nt@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:07:17 GMT

Hello, everybody out there, I really got a great problem with fonts, so I hope to find someone here, who can help me: I'm searching for a font converter from
the ms-dos-filetype .ttf to .wfn, as the only fontconverter I have on my Archimedes will only convert. wfn-fonts, no other ones.
Thank you a lot for an answer to my e-mail-adress (please use this, because I have no regular access to this newsnet, so I would perhaps miss your answer.... THANKS!)
thank you all in advance, 
carsten

My E-Mail-adress is : bussmann@namu01.gwdg.de

 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: lro@YP.melb.bull.com (Liam Routt)
Subject: Looking for Optima?
Summary: Looking for ATM version of Optima font.
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:32:31 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for the Optima typeface for the Adobe Type Manager.
Does anyone knnow whether it is available from an ftp site (shareware), or
what company one should contact to get a hold of it?

Thanks in advance,

--
						Liam Routt
	"Murder by Pirates is Good!"		Senior Software Engineer
		-The Princess Bride		Bull Information Systems
						Melbourne, AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:45:41 GMT

In article <freek.724668631@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk) writes:
>>* Virtually all current Apple machines, and virtually all machines that
>>  run MS Windows can display grayscale or color (and have had this
>>  ability for years).
>>
>>* Antialiased fonts greatly improve the apparent resolution of text,
>>  much more so than hinted bitmaps from outlines (and at very little
>>  cost in storage, and probably to an advantage in time).


	As far as I can tell, the "DTP" mode of the ATI Graphics
	Ultra Pro--that is, the "Crystal Fonts"--uses anti-aliasing.
	I don't mind it in the highres mode, but it is much
	slower than normal TrueType screen fonts, and after a short
	period of time I want to slam my head against the screen because
	it looks so fuzzy/mushy when it's on.  
 
	I, personally, accept that the apparent resolution is 
	a valid comment, however--apparent resolution does not
	equal *real* resolution, and at the resolutions we're using 
	(1024x768) it's real resolution that's important.  Save 
	anti-aliasing for when we're all using screens with at
	least twice the res so that the smoothing wont equal 
	headaches and mush.

>  time (since the Mac II).  I've never seen a nice grayscale font for
>  the Mac though.  If someone has one, please send it to me (hqx'ed)
>  (or point me to an ftp site).


	The Amiga has supported ColorFonts since OS 1.3, and there are
	some pretty interesting ones--Chrome, anti-aliased, etc..  I think
	this is restricted to the bitmap fonts and not the scalables, tho.



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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: games@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: whereis Trutype Font Specification Document
Organization: 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:53:13 GMT

In article <BzBn1I.618@wimsey.bc.ca>, sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
> How do I obtain a copy (soft or hard) of the Trutype Font Specification
> Document?
> 
> Any information will appreciated. Thanks.
> 
ftp from FTP.UU.NET
in the vendors MicroSoft TrueType directory.  It comes in WORD format.

			John.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne)
Subject: whereis Trutype Font Specification Document
Organization: Wimsey Information Services
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:12:53 GMT

How do I obtain a copy (soft or hard) of the Trutype Font Specification
Document?

Any information will appreciated. Thanks.


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Wimsey Information Technologies ................... moderator biz.sco.binaries
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: nedervol@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Eric Nedervold)
Subject: Re: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:32:38 GMT

s0gwb@exnet.co.uk (George Battrick) writes:
>I believe that the Indian standards body has one or more standards for
>this.  I got sales literature and manuals for the "Polydiam" product

Also note that India is not the only place Devanagari is used.  Nepali uses
the Devanagari script.  What I've seen of the Indian standard keyboards
is very different from what is common in Nepal, where the letters
va, ka, ma, aa-matra, appear under the ASDF of the qwerty keyboard.

Most of what I've seen in the States was done by Sanskritists who
have built their keyboards from Romanizations rather than borrowing
a South Asian keyboard.  

The Indian standards bureau's standards are available, though I don't
know where.  I have seen them, though I don't think I currently have
a copy of them.  You might write the Embassy to ask for an address of
the appropriate governmental agency.

The other thing to do is to write Apple Computer for the address of
their Indian counterparts.  A group in India wrote a Devanagari script
system for WorldScript on the Macintosh.  All the Apple documentation
I've seen says to write to India for more info, such as the keyboard
layout, etc.  (Though if you're potential competition, you might not
want to mention that.)  Someone commented in this thread that no one
seems to have paid enough attention to the code differences between
input Devanagari, in-core Devanagari, and screen/printer Devanagari.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this group did it right.  Apple's
guidelines for script systems and their standardized interface for
multiscript documents would tend to force people to do it right.

--Eric

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: zisk@adobe.com (Stephen Zisk)
Subject: Re: Downloading a PS font permanently?
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:29:02 GMT

In article <57531@dime.cs.umass.edu>, Decker@Themis.CS.UMASS.EDU
(Keith Decker) wrote:
> How do I download a (PostScript) font (say, a .pfa or .pfb file)
> *permanently* onto the printer from Unix?

A bit of preamble: A font is simply a PostScript program which causes
a composite object (a font dictionary to be precise) to be created,
and a pointer to that object to be placed into /FontDirectory. Like
all composite objects, fonts are subject to save/restore, so to
"permanently" download one, you need to do the work outside the server
loop. This only applies, of course, to fonts downloaded to memory.
Getting a font onto a disk is a whole different animal.

Here is the code you want:
    serverdict begin 0 exitserver
    <place the complete font here>

Cautions:
    1.) Make sure the format of the data has been converted from
        whatever compressed form you have to the canonical form. This
        would be required for a .pfb file, but not for a .pfa.
    2.) You may want to add code which checks to see if the font is
        already there and does a flushfile if it is:
            save
            <fontname> dup {findfont} stopped
                {pop restore}
                {/FontName get eq restore {currentfile flushfile} if}
            ifelse
            serverdict begin 0 exitserver
            <place the complete font here>
        I wrote this last off the top of my head, so it may have bugs.

Good luck!

Stephen Zisk (zisk@adobe.com)  Disclaimer: These are my personal views
Adobe Systems Incorporated     and do not represent the position of
Eastern Regional Office        Adobe Systems Incorporated.
24 New England Exec. Park
Burlington, MA 01803           They pay me but they don't muzzle me!
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL)
Subject: Re: supposed IBM OEM font in Type 1 format...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent Computing and Telecommunications Department
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.080337@eklektix.com>, rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) writes...
>Just because it's free doesn't mean you have to try to make it worth the
>price.  If all you can say to Berthold's criticisms is "if you don't like
>it, don't use it" then I guess you admit they're all valid and you've given
>the world a font with a bunch of problems?  You're not doing yourself or
>your reputation any good with this attitude.
> 
>Nor are you doing the world of shareware/freeware any good, to use that as
>an excuse for the problems.  There are people who write good shareware/
>freeware, who care what people think about their work, and care whether
>it's got problems.  I hold no brief on the merit of your font...but if it
>really does have the problems bkph mentioned, keep it to yourself.

Dear Dick and Berthold,

    Why am I getting cut up here?  I didn't create the font so
    any criticism about the font should be directed to its
    creator and not me.  My posting of the font was in responce
    to a person who wanted to print documents with IBM OEM line
    characters.  He was quite pleased with the font and since
    other people were asking about it I made it accessable to
    others.  YES, this font isn't God's gift to typography and it
    has some flaws, but this doesn't seem to be the *real* issue
    here.  Perhaps my reply to Berthold was too simplistic,
    however my reply seemed appropriate to me considering the
    type of critism I was seeing.  I'm not against share/freeware
    fonts or other programs.  I'm saticfied by the quality of
    most of the share/freeware that I use, and my reply was in no
    way an attack on share/freeware in general.  What service is
    done by this criticism of my actions?  I cannot fix the
    problems with this font.  I don't have a better font that
    serves the original purpose of my posting it.  So if you want
    a better font than what I was making available then you'll
    have to keep searching or create a better one yourself.

_______________________________________________________________________________
                                             Stefan Powell - SPowell@TrentU.CA
                                                 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: s0gwb@exnet.co.uk (George Battrick)
Subject: Re: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:00:42 GMT


I believe that the Indian standards body has one or more standards for
this.  I got sales literature and manuals for the "Polydiam" product
mentioned in the previous posting, a year or two ago, and it claimed to
use this standard.  If no-one else can help, you might repeat your
posting in comp.stds.internat (hope I got that right), which has a
different readership from this group, but has people with access to
standards catalogues etc in it.  It's an interesting topic, because the
conjunct consonants really require totally different data
representations for keyboarding, for file storage and for printer
output, and none of the major wordprocessing packages seem able to cope
adequately with this yet (please let us know if you know one that does).

Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3700 gnu.misc.discuss:4008
From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: HELP:ACAD TO CORELDRAW FONTS DISTORTN VIA DXF
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:46:45 GMT
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.
NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz



I often use AUTOCAD and CORELDRAW together, usually doing my digitizing in
AUTOCAD and then DXFing the file into CORELDRAW. This works well enough but
if I bring any fonts across in the file they are very distorted - usually
compressed horizontally. I have even tried using the same .PFB font in both
packages to no avail and for some reason the text coming into CORELDRAW always
defaults to a CORELDRAW font called "Toronto". I would be much happier if I
could stop this distortion or just finding where to change this default font 
would be a help.


Jeff Lyall
Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences Limited
New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Adobe Type Manager, WFNBoss, Corel Draw
Organization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:52:02 GMT

I remember someone posting not long ago how to get Corel Draw fonts
exported into Adobe Type 1 format using WFNBoss to be useable under
ATM.

I have a few questions.

1. Is there a normal scheme for adjusting the UniqueID, or can I rely that
   simply typing over the file size (which is fairly unique) over the
   ID number will work in all cases.

2. Can I combine multiple fonts of the same family into a single file?
   I'd like to, for instance, have the four Frutiger forms
   (Norm,Bold,Ital,BoldItal) come up under a single name so I don't 
   have incredibly long font-selection lists. Right now, I have each
   under a different name for selection.

3. What might be causing my printer to throw up (emit a single blank page)
   when I use, for instance, a TrueType Dingbat in a mostly postscript
   document? I've looked at the generated code, and I don't see any reason
   for it.




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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: steved@bankone.com
Subject: Utopia
Reply-To: steved@bankone.com
Organization: Bank One, Columbus NA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:16:49 GMT


Sometime ago I thought I read that Adobe was releasing Utopia into the Public  
Domain as a contribution to some project (X?).  Is this true, and if so, where  
can I find the outline and afm files?

Thanks,

Steve
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