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From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Subject: Re: Cradle Cap (was: Hair washing)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:01:15 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

My son Ben had cradle-cap off and on when he was little, up to nearly
age two.  About that time, I got a free sample of Head and Shoulders
Severe Dandruff Formula (or something like that) in the mail.  Used it
twice on Ben, and no more flakes.  He's 3 1/3 now.  We use J&J
Conditioning Formula baby shampoo.
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You know you're a parent when...
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:37:57 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Originator: cew@pelham

You and your husband have some difficulty corraling your
2.6 year old into his car seat after Saturday morning
errands.  You drive off and at the first stop light
a womand pecks on the passenger side window (where mom
is sitting) to tell you your keys are still in the lock.

Cathryn W. Chiesa
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:56:57 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1992Aug17.064505.15852@nuscc.nus.sg>, by iscstk@nuscc.nus.sg (Siew Teng Kean):
> In the book, she claims that parents can raise an infant IQ by as much as 30
> points through daily 15 minute visual stimlation sessions, as brain development
> in the first 4 months of an infant's life can be enhanced by such stimulation.

It wouldn't surprise me if she could raise "infant IQ" by as much as 30
points. It *WOULD* surprise me if she could actually increase brain
development via her program.

There is a difference between native intelligence (brain development) and
score on an IQ test. IQ tests measure a small subset of skills. Teach that
subset of skills, and you will have kids who have a higher score on the IQ
test. Infant IQ tests generally test things like responsiveness to
stimulae, and are generally held to be of questionable validity -- infant
IQ scores rarely correlate well with adult IQ scores. Thus it's probable
that she can increase "infant IQ" by 30 points in some kids -- but
improbable that this will have any real meaning in terms of the kids' IQ
when they grow up.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Roller skates for a 2.6 year old
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:19:07 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) writes:

> This summer my 13 year old nephew visited for two weeks.  He
> brought along he roller blades.  My 2.6 year old son loved to
> sit on the porch and watch him skate.  He would get up and
> pretent to put on skates and skate all around.  He has been
> talking constantly about getting roller skates when he is
> bigger.  Everynight after dinner we all go outside and pretnet
> to put on skates.  I have not desire to buy him roller blades,
> but has anyone bought a pair of plastic skates for a kid this
> age???  Any recommendations for brands.  I figure we would hold
> his hand and just push him around.  This is the first thing
> he has every really wanted (and I know it won't be the last).
> Thanks for any recommendations or suggestions.
>
> Cathryn W. Chiesa
> cew@med.unc.edu
>

I wouldn't reccomend any for this young, but for when he does grow up a
little older, Fisher-Price has a set of plastic skates with a toggle for
forward-only movement or forward-backward movement. This is supposed to
help for the younger ones and then he can advance once he has an idea of
how-to. Also it changes size to fit over his shoes.
They lasted pretty well through my daughter and now are waiting for my 2YO
son to grow up. You might check in the stores for the reccomended age
marked on the box.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: They aren't young forever
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:21:14 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <92226.094524CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>The recent threads on second babies, spacing, and entertaining babies has
>gotten me thinking about the short-sighted view we sometimes take in
>thinking about kids.  Obviously, there are advantages and disadvantages to
>all family configurations, but babies aren't babies forever and the problems
>of having a newborn and a 2 year old will pass quickly.  Some changes we
>have to make as parents are more temporary than others, like dealing with
>fewer hours of sleep and colicky evenings.

However, choosing not to have more kids (or any kids) based on not wanting
to go through the baby thing is _perfectly_ valid, and not necessarily
short sighted.

I have two wonderful children, but I don't plan to have any more and the
only reason is because I don't want to go through another pregnancy or 
first six months again.  I would love to have three or four kids, and I 
am perfectly aware of the long-term joys of having kids, having come
from a very happy family myself.  My own two are a source of never-ending
wonder, as would be a third child, a fourth, a fifth, etc., etc.  
Nevertheless, taking the long-term view is not about to induce me to
give birth to baby after baby!

Being pregnant and caring for a tiny baby is a lot of work and the beginning
of a huge undertaking, as we all know.  Not wanting to do that work and
not feeling up to the physical demands seem fine reasons for not having
kids or for not having a second or third child, regardless how rewarding
they are once they're past the baby stage.

>I guess what I'm trying to say is that many of the problems of raising
>children pass quickly, but my feeling is that most of the joys last a lot
>longer.  Just my 2 pennies.

I don't know about this.  From what I've seen, kids are a source of "problems"
to their parents their whole lives.  As well as a source of joy and pride.
It's just that the problems change as the kids get older.  The baby "problems"
go away and are replaced by other problems.  My kids are only 7 months and
three years old, but I suspect that I'd rather deal with less sleep and
diapers and a little whining and crying than what comes later (i.e., 
puberty, driver's licenses, and beyond)!  I am sure that no matter what 
our problems, my children will always be wonders to me.  But that doesn't 
mean I want another baby!!!

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:32:44 GMT

Achim, I appreciate your sharing your views.  I must strongly disagree with
your method of biblical interpretation.  It does not help your case to take
an interpretation that no educated person would believe knowing full well
that Jesus spoke in parables, allegories, hyperbole, etc.  If you are going
to believe that Jesus commanded people to hate their family members, then
you might as well believe Jesus is a loaf of bread or a vine or that to get
to heaven you must climb back into your mother's womb.

The usual response from the athiestic side is to suggest that all of Jesus'
words are parables and anyone could interpret them as they wish, and therefore,
the implication is that His words are meaningless.  Let's suffice it to say
that some are athiests, some are christians, some are other religions, and
we disagree.  But, we can still get use out of this newsgroup in that we
have common interests in good car seats, good diapers, good and safe toys,
babysitter experiences, etc.

We're going to have our differences, and regardless of the motives behind
sticking to our different beliefs, the best use of this newsgroup is not
for stabbing the backs of other religions or blaming each other for doing
so, but for sharing our common interests concerning children.

Perhaps we might benefit from putting together a separate news group for
christian parents, jewish parents, athiestic parents, pagan parents, or
whatever.  If the christian side appeals to you, let me know.

	Thanks,

	  Dan
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 13:14:30 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Warming baby bottles

As I read Vanessa Stern's account of what the Playtex lady said to her after
she learned that the disposable bottles leaked after being microwaved, I
thought about the experience one of our sitters had when Jamie was in his
first year.  Apparently, she dropped a frozen, disposable bag into BOILING
WATER!!!!   (*Guess she didn't read the package directions.)   "I had breast
milk ALL OVER MY KITCHEN!!!!" she complained to me when I came to pick Jamie
up after work.  .  Mysteriously, that sitter's mother "died" (she told me)
before even her first week was over, so she wouldn't be taking care of children
anymore.  (*As an aside, a few months later, I saw her advertising in the paper
to provide child care services.  I guessed that either she had another opening,
or her mother was miraculously revived.  Upon further investigation, I found
that the former was true.  Her mother was very glad to hear that it wasn't
the latter. :-)

At any rate, I can just imagine how the Playtex lady would have reacted
to what the sitter did.  :-)

--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
From: ken@dakota (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Introduction to lumpy foods
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:57:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <25619@dog.ee.lbl.gov> lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger) writes:
>
>It's time to start feeding my son, David, "lumpy" food, according
>to his pediatrician. But I'm having trouble figuring out what to
>give him. He doesn't like bananas. Should I get the "2nd foods"
>his baby cereal. He doesn't like it --- should I continue anyway?

	Usually (at least with my three) they don't (at first) like the

"lumpy" texture. 
but they do get used to it if you continue. By all means try the 2nd foods.
My kids loved them once they got over the texture problem.

Good luck,
KAC


Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:48:07 GMT

On the "loveys can't be duplicated" side of things, Anna at 20 months
has just become attached (very firmly) to a teddy bear that was given
to Timmy when he was a baby.  Timmy knows it was  his, and was not happy
about it, though I don't think he noticed it before Anna got attached 
to it.  Unfortunately for us, it is a fairly expensive Gund bear, so
duplicates were out of the question anyway.  All in all, we got stuck
with a very sticky parenting situation.  Timmy finally decided it was
OK for Anna to have the bear, and decided to really work on his reward
chart to earn his new Tonka bulldozer (which he finally got this morning)
and the bear arguments are now in the past, I think.

For all of you who are worried that we made Timmy earn a replacement
for his bear, the reward chart was in place long before the bear
became an issue ... Timmy just refocused his attention.  All in all
I thought it was very sweet and generaous of him.

-- Misty

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Transitional (Toddler) Bed versus Twin Beds
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:46:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.170303.15592@nas.nasa.gov> tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:
>
>Our daughter (19 months) has recently started climbing
>out of her crib.  We talked about purchasing a "toddler"
>bed but then weren't sure about whether to go to that
>bed or a regular twin bed.  What are the advantages/disadvantages
>of either one??

well, I got a toddler bed when Jeffrey was 2. I have really liked it. He
will end up getting kicked out at about age 3, because we will need the
matress for the new baby, but I am still glad I bought it. It wasnt very
expensive, and it has been a nice transition. We will also be able to use
it again.

Since I bought ours, I have noticed a lot of sotres carrying them, and for a 
bit less then I paid. Evenflo makes a plastic one for about $40 (Target),
and I have seen one similar to ours at Toys R Us for about the same price.
The one I have has a small railing built in, so I saved on buying railing.
It is also quite low to the ground, so I didnt worry about him falling out.
It didnt take up as much room which was an issue in the current house (but
wont be in the new house). My plan before I got prgnant, was to keep Jeffrey
in the toddler bed, and then when he was about 5 put him in a Loft, so he
could have the space underneath the loft bed for things.

He went straight from the crib to the bed, without a transition. I think that
having the same bedding may have been easier on him. To mark the momentis
occasion he got a pillow.


Laura Floom
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Our newborn, and birth experience
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:21:20 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Aug21.004646.22757@intellistor.com>, grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:

> First, the important news:
> 
> 	   Casey Nathaniel Grun
> 	   July 17, '92
> 	   8 lbs, 8 oz.
> 	   22 inches long (does anybody really care about that?)
> 	   normal, happy and healthy. ditto for mom.

First, the important response:  CONGRATULATIONS!! to the entire family :).
                                                                          

> The epidural went in just fine, although the anesthesiologist made me
> leave the room, which I resented very much.  

Well, maybe you shouldn't resent it too much.  Rather than "hiding" what is
being done to the woman, the reasoning behind this is that seeing a needle
being inserted into your wife's back can be too much for many men to handle. 
And guess what...when I got my epidural for my daughter, my husband had been
making himself so useful, and was so obviously keenly interested in every
aspect of every procedure, that the anes. let him not only stay but hold me
still (instead of a nurse).  Which meant that he got a good look at the
actual event, turned pale and keeled over!  Not pleasant for him OR
ME--although the needle had already been inserted I didn't realize it and got
pretty peeved as everyone rushed to pick him up :).

So, ahem, don't resent being made to leave if you think it was a completely
arbitrary rule.  The dr. and nurse later told me that having a dad faint during
epidural insertion was a very big reason he is now generally made to wait
outside.

Ann Helmers
From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:58:39 GMT
Subject: Summary: Misch. Child (long)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Japanese Weekend Company 1-800 #
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:55:27 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.

I saw this in one of the baby magazines like American Baby but after
some weekend housecleaning, cannot find the number!  I would really
like this as I have heard their pants/shorts are comfortable.  The
snaps on my trusty maternity jeans are wearing out; although there's
still room to grow, the snaps come undone if I twist, stand up wrong,
etc.  Nothing like having your hands full, getting out of the car
and POP! go the jeans.  :-(

Amy
the professional Critter Carrier

-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Needed:  one witty, appropriate,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		businesslike .sig that will perfectly
(512) 329-7117				reflect my philosophy of life and will
14 weeks and counting			fit in four lines or less.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:00:09 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hand-foot-mouth (sympathy)

I'm just looking for sympathy.  We just went through a bout of
hand\foot\mouth disease--Coxsackie virus--and hope to NEVER repeat the
experience.  Douglas has been lucky to avoid ear infections during his soon
to be completed first year, but this disease makes up for it.  He virtually
did not eat or drink for 3 days (or sleep).  This is all compounded by his
erupting molars.

But, he's better now and back at daycare (with the 4 other kids who came
down with the same thing over the weekend).  Now, if mom and dad can
recover....  Has anyone found an effective way to relieve the discomforts of
the mouth sores?  I'm ready to buy Tylenol stock after this experience.

Was I the same person who said something about the joys of having kids????

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:37:33 GMT

In article <16846BDF0.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>I think that as long as you keep entertaining Matthew and keep feeding the
>kids lunch, you will continue to be taken advantage of.  If you don't feel
>like talking to the parents (It is awfully difficult to say "You are not
>good parents, you don't watch your kids properly" or "You are taking
>advantage of us." without making the neighbors mad.), you can set some rules
>to limit the amount of time that the neighbor kids are at your house.

The problem with this seemingly sensible approach is that, as others have
pointed out, the choices seem to be between getting taken advantage of
or leaving very young children to a lousy fate.  We were in a similar 
situation with an 8-year old girl who (mercifully for us, I'm not sure
about for her) eventually moved away.  If a pushy neighbor was asking to
borrow the lawnmower every week, it'd be easy enough to stand up for oneself,
but it's not so easy knowing when young children are involved.
One thing my husband and I talked about doing was contacting social welfare
authorities.  If the family situation really is that dysfunctional, maybe
intervention is warranted.  We never did have the guts to go through with
it, though. 

Sue
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:02:00 GMT
	<JGJ.92Aug17144612@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>
	<1992Aug18.132505.19740@spider.co.uk>
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
In-reply-to: alisonjw@spider.co.uk's message of 18 Aug 92 13:25:05 GMT

> Products that aren't tested on animals are still tested.
> Mostly on human volunteers.

That I find morally reprehensible.  To test things on humans before
they've been tried on animals reeks of Nazi Germany.  You can bet I
won't use any of these so-called cruelty-free products!

> Most companies making non-animal tested stuff use ingredients with a
> long, safe history too.

This is starting to sound like Ludditism.  Must not try anything new
now; it might make a rat die.
--
============================================================================
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jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com |     bust you up tonight."
x5120                  | Jesus said, "Go ahead, make my day."
                   ~~~~~~~~~ -- Carman, "The Champion"
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids and Pets (Re: Sweet things they do (3 years))
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:55:18 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

> These stories are so cute I just have to add mine.  We have an Old English
> Sheepdog named Daisy.  Erin is quite fond of her and at night has gotten in
> the habit of carrying poor Daisy's dog bowls where ever Daisy goes.  The dog
> is quite tolerant and always eats just one piece of kibble for Erin.  It's
> so cute to see Daisy come and lie next to the couch followed by Erin and a
> bowl full of dog kibble.

I have given my 2YO son the job of filling the cat food bowls. Since we
used dry cat food it's not too much trouble when he spills some, as the
cats eat it anyway. He likes to feed the outside cat as he is almost
always willing to eat when called. But the couple of times he doesn't eat
immediately my son would stop petting him and push his face into the bowl.
I made him stop, but it was funny. He also likes to walk around with the
bowl with the cat trying valiently to eat some.
Then I also have to watch that he gives the cats enough, but not too much.
Mostly it's a good learning job for him.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.192839.6977@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.152022.25851@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
>>
>>Okay, these may seem like pretty dumb questions, but please bear with me.
>>My boyfriend's mother recently offered us the waterbed from her house, and
>>he really wants to take it. I don't know if I want it as I've always been
>>perfectly happy on a firm mattress. But... now that I'm in my seventh month
>>of pregnancy, I'm having a little more difficulty getting comfortable (which 
>>I'm sure many of you can relate to!) and we thought maybe the waterbed would
>>be better for me. My questions are:

I slept on a conventional waterbed for two pregnancies and on a floatation
waterbed for the third--I think that they probably are more comfortable
towards the later months.  The only waterbed-induced problem was related
to the fact that my 1st child was delivered by Cesarean--the first week
or so at home post-partum, it was a major effort to get out of that bed.  

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin)
Subject: Baby Tenda (Revisited)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:27:59 GMT



I know a while back there was a discussion about
Baby Tenda. Unfortunately I didn't save all the
articles, just the one with the home office phone
number.  
I called the home office and was given a number 
of a local distributor.  I called them up, and 
was told the only way to find out about their 
products was to go to a scheduled meeting.
Is this true?  

Can some of you give me some information on the company,
products, etc.?  How have your experience with the company
been?  How are the products compared to the ones you can
buy in dept. stores (Toys R Us, Child World, etc.)?
How do the prices compare?

Thanks for all info...

Kathy                                
kah@hotld.att.com
From: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:28:53 GMT
Reply-To: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

There's a quote (I heard that it was) from Mark Twain.

For the first 18 mos. parents can't wait for their child to stand up and speak.

For the next 18 years, parents can't wait for their child to sit down
and shut up.


Barbara
Newsgroups: misc.kids