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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Palettes and stuff (was Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.164926.15750@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.214359.16063@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.181449.16225@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>>	So, how well does the Quadra's non-interlaced graphics transfer to
>>>video tape? Maybe I should get a Quadra if it transfers to video tape better
>>>than my future Amiga 4000. That's of course if I find time to interweave
>>>my video work with school...
>>
>>   Who cares about video, really?  
>>
>>---
>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>>--------------------------------------------------
>
>	Marc, I knew when i posted the above that the Quadra is non-interlaced;
>thank god the Amiga is! Notice my pun (interweave instead of interlace)? I care
>about video! And so do ALL of my friends except two who have Amigas! 
>
>	People watch TV. People watch more TV. People watch movies, then more
>TV. In fact, probably 90% of the US households HAVE A TV! And I am probably
>under the figure!

   Commodore dominates the video market in the U.S. with the Amiga, and yet
Commodore U.S. records annual sales of about $100 Million per year, compared
to the $3 Billion of sales per year that Apple records in the U.S.  If the
video market is so big, then why does Apple's U.S. sales outnumber Commodore's
by a factor of about 30?

>	Marc, why don't you go read some hypercard stacks or something.

   I have a small collection of some very good HyperCard stacks.  Two of them
are the compiled, detailed summaries of all of the episodes of Star Trek, one
stack for the old series and one for the new.  You don't ever see this kind of 
thing done on Amigas.

>      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 516-473-5156 AMIGA  DDD-MEN   
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From: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 2 Oct 1992 03:00:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
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In a previous article, marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold) says:

>And, on top of that, my A500 (which is now one giant hardware hack) is laying
>on the floor in pieces and I'm accessing Internet news using a borrowed
>Apple II!  Now top that!

Listen, man.... I assembled my A500 from kit form, using a disassembled
hairdryer to solder the pieces together. I had to take out another student
loan last week just to buy a pack of floppy disks. And I access Internet by
secretly opening up the fiberoptic cables near my house and plugging in a
terminal! HA!


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 2 Oct 1992 11:04:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
:  It would almost be like saying that no DSP at all is better than
: having one.
: 
:  Anders Skelander

Of course, I would agree.  :)  It would be like saying that.  Then
again, I'm not about to make that statement.  However, having a good
dsp isn't as nice as having a BETTER one...

And who in the room has been doing unknown things with AT&T's stuff?

Greg

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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:13:36 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:

>	Why does Commodore NEED this machine?  Like I said, the current models

	Its better to lead than follow.  That way CBM doesnt wake up one day
and find it has strayed to far from the competition and the user base has
been massively eroded.
From: ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: New Performa Macs
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:37:16 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Originator: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU

From murdoch!uvaarpa!darwin.sura.net!nntp.msstate.edu!tacky.cs.olemiss.edu!skip Sun Sep 27 15:55:14 EDT 1992
Article: 32233 of comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: New Byte, no A4000, ugly Macs...
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 01:46:24 GMT


Skip Sauls writes:

>Well, I just got in the new issue of Byte, but there was no mention of
>the A4000.  :-(  However, there is a review of the new Mac Performa 
>line which debuted after the A4000.  Did C= forget to pay off the boys
>at Byte this time or something?
>
>The Mac Performa 600 is without a doubt the ugliest Mac I've ever seen.

Amen to the above, I agree 100% :)  Even the classic is cute in an "ET"
sort of way.  The interesting thing about these "new" macs is that
they aren't new!  The Performa 200 is a classic II and the 400 is a
II LC.  The only new machine is the 600.  Interestingly enough
Sears is carrying the 200 and 400 P-Macs.  Retail on a 400 is $1495 +
$395 for the 14" low end RGB monitor.  Euck!  The pricing I've heard
for the Amiga 4000 averages out around $3600 w/RGB.  A3000 25MHz
systems w/50M HD are going for $2200 including monitor!  Comparing
the specs II LC -vs- A3000, the A3000 leaves the Performa 400 in the
dust, at an equivalent price!  (Math CoProcessor, full 32bit arch,
custom chips w/DMA for sound/graphics, stereo sound, faster SCSI, faster
68030 clock, etc...)  PLUS, you can turn a 3000 into a II classic, but
ya can't turn a Mac into an amiga.  (Actually performance is probably
equivalent to IIsi, but w/ mono graphics I chose "II classic".)

Charles C. Bundy IV
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:35:13 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <1992Sep28.190857.1197@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:
>: In article <1992Sep25.175523.20771@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>
>: >	There was a review on some magazine many years (it was
>: >probably 1985 or 1986) (can't remember what magazine it was) ago,
>: >which said this.
>: Well it was wrong.
>
>And you as an a die hard Atari ST owner from 1985 are right?
Yes, I, as a die hard Atari ST owner from 1985, am right.

>: For your 'normal' operation scrolling windows and the like, the speed of
>: both is limited by the buswidth, which in comparison between the A1000 and
>: the ST is really the same. Now taking into consideration that the ST runs
>
>Are they? And what's the speed of ST's bus?
8Mhz.

> [deletions]
>: 10% faster anyhow... Somewhere someone oughta have made some tests
>: giving some figures about pixel blit rate per second, of both blitters
>: this would be a lot more informative than guessing (guilty!).
>
>Ah, so when I do a guess, I'm clueless (as you will say later), but
>when you guess you're not. How nice. Perhaps you should copy some of
>the most important pieces of information on the ST bus and blitter
>from the manual you claim to have.
*Claim* to have, indeed. You still wonder how you attract a few flames ?


>Okay - I should have said "at the same time at full speed" - I assumed
>this. Of course it's possible for the two pieces to run concurrently
>reven on the same bus (even Amiga can do this if needed).

Well if maybe someone would have clearly stated, the AMIGA blitter is
superior 'coz it can blit on the CHIP Ram bus, while the 68k can do it's
stuff on it's own local bus. We wouldn't be argueing back and forth,
because....

> [deletions]
>2. Amiga 1000 is not a single bus design.
I didn't know this. I read the AMIGA Reference Manual from '86 3 times 
and only the last time (today), did I see the little note: Access to
expanded memory and ROM is on a seperate bus. 

>: >I guess the next thing you will say about me is that I lie when I say
>: >that neither the CPu or the blitter can operate at full speed
>: >concurrently if they share the same bus.
>: I'd only do this if I was as clueless as you...
>
>Thank you for flaming. Perhaps I should reopen my kill-file once more.
Sure go ahead, I don't care.

Nat!
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:36:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.154057.5965@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:

[ ]
>
>>found in Scientific Word (for Windows). Few people know about Scientific
>>Word, but it is one application that makes a PC worth buying.
>
>I find that graphical/visual front-ends to TeX/LaTeX tend to defeat some of
>the purpose of having a logical-based document preparation system.  That's
>just a philosophical thing though.  I'd take TeX with a faster compiler
>and previewer anyday.

Scientific Word is not WYSIWYG. It uses, as Lamport says, as logical design.
Thus lines breaks, formatting, etc...don't appear on the screen as in the 
dvi file. Think of Scientific Word as Equation Builder, NeXT TeX and 
TeX menu all in one. You can use Scientific Word just as a LaTeX user would.
Or you can load documenstyles in a mouse way, create equations in a mouse
way( or command equivalents). It's really LaTeX philosophy carried out to
dealing with the mundane hassles of typing in commands for equations. It's
not WYSIWYG. You can't, for example, highlight words with a mouse and change 
the font. You'd like it. Even the TeX purists have good things to say about it.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David C. Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga Blitter WishList  [was Re: Atari BLiTTER]
Date: 3 Oct 1992 06:20:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu

In article <1ah1rqINNdmq@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>Well, I got into a discussion with someone...  :)  Seems that it would

I'll claim responsibility for some of that :)

>be faster to have the trapezoid itself rather than triangles...  :)
>However, I think having both would be nice.

If we're going for broke, then here's a wishlist:
Hardware splines
Convex polygon filling (we'll leave the gouraud shading for the 4chipset)
Hardware support for quadratic and cubic curves for Compugraphic and
Postscript fonts.
Blitter-based coprocessor capable of parsing its own graphics language
and traversing processor-created graphics requests (QueBlits sans 030
interrupts, basically -- no more of that WaitBlit silliness!  [well, less of
it, anyway]).
Hardware support for curved clipping -- RoundRects here we come ;)
Hardware scaling/rotating -- at least for the sprite engine, although it'd
be neat for the rest of the system too.  Hmm, maybe instead:
   Full support for 4x4 matrix clipping and rendering of 3D images!

   Base machine -- no shading.
   4chipset -- shading included.

Yep, an IRIS on the cheap :)

Oh, and $2500 retail :) :) !!!

[What?  What?  Oh, yeah, 16bit blitter, bad -- want more bits.
 7.14Mhz, too slow -- want more speed.
 Support chunky mode, too, while you're at it.  Makes that gouraud shading
 lots easier....]

But Cmdre already knows all this right?

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:27:05 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Oct2.235109.29693@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
 >In article <1992Oct2.143502.10951@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (S.P.Zeidler) writes:
 >>>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
 >>>>In article <1992Sep30.060048.24518@uni-paderborn.de> laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt) writes:
 >>>>>I only want to correct the number: instead of the old count 3.000000, we
 >>>>>should use now 4.500000:-B
 >>>>Well, I've got one of them, who's got the other 3 and a half :)
 >>
 >>Hmm, that's Ralph at English again ;-) For the people who wondered,
 >>he meant 4,500,000; in German the meaning of ',' and '.' are
 >>the other way round ;-)
 >
 >	Are you serious or just joking? I don't see how the period and
 >comma can have reversed meanings, Many countries use different formats
 >for dates. but that is irrelevant of punctuation, I did think that
 >was funny. though,

Uh, you're wrong. There are indeed a load of different number formats.
Let's take the above number plus decimals:
4,500,000.00   US
4.500.000,00   Germany
4'500'000,00   Switzerland
etc.

That's why Commodore has created the locale.library to enable programmers
to adapt their input and output to the various countries and languages
(not necessarily the same!) on earth. CATS has produced a publication
named "Crossing Borders" that explains these issues among many others.

You see, people in other countries not only dare to speak a different
language, no they have even more differing habits!!!

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From: d5adria@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Adrian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: PopUpMenu 5.0
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:54:02 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

I have just put a new version of my PopUpMenu program
on amiga.physik.unizh.ch

New features include.

* PopUpMenu is a commodity
* Option window uses gadtools.library
* A lot of bugs removed
* Verify timeout

Martin Adrian

BTW I did also put a new version of my SaferPatches on amiga.physics...
(Including an intuition interface to look at patches made).
From: James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (James Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Commodore 486
Distribution: world
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:39:37 PST
Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA

Just found this in one of the local computer ads:

Commodore 486DX 33Mhz
4MB Ram
100MB harddrive
3.5 and 5.25" floppies
101 Enhanced Keyboard
Overdrive Socket
Dos 5.0
Price: $1749Cdn.

Monitor is NOT included.  No mention of what video comes with the system.
I sincerely hope that C= Canada's A4000 pricing will be similiar. :)

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:40:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.2jlz-fm
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <doiron.0ev7@starpt.UUCP>, doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
|> In article <7hhzy8m@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
|> > In article <66674@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
|> > |> >Now, how about the fan? Still grunge up once a year or so?
|> > |> >
|> > |> >BTW: I know this is the wrong area, but is the A2000 fan "standard" equipment?
|> > |> >I'd assume Commodore didn't have a fan built Just For Them... so I **SHOULD**
|> > |> >be able to get a replacement at some place like Radio Shack, if I know the
|> > |> >power requirements and approx. speed...
|> > |> >
|> > |> >Riiiight?
|> > |> 
|> > |> Riiight. But don't get the Radio Shack fans. They will die every 2 years or
|> > |> so. Get something with decent bearings that will last at least as long as
|> > |> the computer. They cost all of $2 more than the radio shack variety.
|> > 
|> > Well, that's a tall order. My family keeps CARS for 10 years! And after buying
|> > USED! I plan to own my A2000 for at least another 5 years, and it's 5 years old
|> > already. If the fan's the only thing that needs replacing, I'll be overjoyed.
|> 
|> I seem to keep my computers around 3 years before selling them and
|> upgrading.

I don't sell ANYTHING.. I just keep stickin' sh*t in!  8)

IF and WHEN the A5000 comes out, if it's anything up to my expectations, I will
certainly buy one. But I would STILL hang on to the A2000, to run the old Amiga
software which does not work with the Millennium 5000.

(note: Yeah, there's no such thing.. I made it up. My dream for the future is
that Commodore will come out with a NEW computer, based on all the old Amiga
technology, but with the latest in advances and (almost by necessity...) not
compatible with old software...)

|> Glenn Doiron
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ewong@ucs.ubc.ca (Eldon Wong)
Subject: Re: TO TONY POOLE (Should Atari Discussions Be Allowed?)
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:10:23 GMT


Hey pal, if you got a problem with Tony Poole, why don't you just email him.
You do know what that is, don't you.  I, for one, don't need to see your
message to him, more or less duplicated 3 or 4 times.  I am posting this
instead of emailing directly so that others will know that I greatly
disapprove of your use of usenet for a personal grudge.  Once is fine, twice
is okay, but 4 times is getting out of hand.  Even if you had more to say, it
would be okay.  But just repeating what you posted earlier is a waste of
bandwidth.  Flame me if you wish, but I think there are others that would
agree with me on this point.  Until you have more relevent stuff to post, I
will have you in my kill file. 
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From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:57:25 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <u894776.717825905@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (One Way Mail) writes:

> [BTW I'm not trying to flame the programmers behind 2.04 wrt the looks,
>  its a MASSIVE improvement over 1.3 - but it is still too ugly.  There
> is no point rating yourself against yourself, you must beat the others
> and then improve yourself.]

   What  the hell is your base of comparaison?  Against which system do you
put  the Amiga OS to tell us that it's soooo ugly?  Amiga OS provide a nice
3D-look  interface  which  is  the  de-facto standard these days.  The only
interfaces  which  I  would  qualify  as  really  neat  is  NeXTstep and HP
workstations environments.  Amiga OS is not the most elegant interface, but
there's a difference between that and uglyness.

 Oh;  this is an Amiga newsgroup BTW.  So, you can take the exit over there
(waving my hand into the nearest door) and leave us alone.  There's nothing
constructive in your critics.

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From: dtiberio@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:53:53 GMT

In article <67030@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>> I hope some happy hardware hacker posts the AGA hidden
>>registers to every net he can find. This would definitely serve
>>Commodore a bit of their own medicine...
>
>Yea. That would show them.

	I hope that none of my current software and future software
works with the next computer I buy. Maybe I should get a Falcon.


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