From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: THE PROOF: The Non-existence of GOD !
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:14:40 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: atheist, atheism, GOD, religion, logic, proof, reality, creator, the one and onl

In article <0P1JsB4w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> darist@bluemoon.rn.com (david stroop) writes:
>From: rainerd@drunol.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Rainer Dickermann)
>Message-ID: <rainerd.718622637@drunol>
> 
>>Let's take some meanings of the christian GOD to proof it on reality:
>>1. GOD is the all-mighty.
>>2. GOD is the all-loving.
>>3. GOD is the all-knowing.
>>Is is really obvious that these 3 statements can't exist without
>>contradiction if compared with reality.
>>If 'GOD is all-loving' means GOD cares of all of us, this care seems not
>>to be the very best compared to the many people living in despair or
>>suffer from crulest illnesses. And because GOD should be all-knowing,
>>GOD would know everything to help these people, and because GOD should be
>>all-mighty there would be the capacity to make that all undone or not 
>even
>>happen ! But reality proofs the contradiction,...
> 
> 
>This argument appears so often, it should go in a FAQ.
> 
>Your proof is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of the God 
>of the Bible. 
> 
>"Things" happen.  They happen to people who love God and they 
>happen to those who don't love God. 
> 
>For those who love God, there is the promise that "all things 
>happen for good" for them.  If He didn't let things happen to 
>them, they would be deprived of the good which will result. 
 
 Well, of course. If it happens (like, oh, say, Hurricane Andrew) it
must have been for the best. If you can't *see* the good, well, you're
just not looking hard enough.

>For those who don't love Him, another part of God's nature 
>becomes evident.  GOD is perfectly just.  For everyone, what is 
>just is punishment.  So even though God might not have sent these 
>*particular* "things," those people are receiving what is just. 
 
 Of course, there are the non-Chrisitans who do just fine, thank you,
and nothing bad ever seems to happen to them. Mao stayed in charge and
on top, as I recall. Oh, but that's right, he got his, just in a way that
no one can possibly check on.

>There is a common saying, "What goes around, comes around." (This 
>idiom is usually interpreted to mean, "You get what you give.")  
>So unless one of those who don't love God is perfect in his 
>morals and perfect in the execution of those morals, he is 
>getting what "goes around" when "things" happen to him.  And this 
>is minor compared to what justice demands. 
 
 Well, you can believe that a baby deserves to be born with AIDS or
perhaps a crack addiction, but I don't.
 
>The belief system of the Bible is consistent. 
 
 Yeah. With any old thing that happens. It makes no useful predictions
whatsoever. Well, it does predict that the world will end "real soon now,"
but it's been oh, what, just shy of 2000 years?

>DARIST 


Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably
                            || not those of the University of
ingles@engin.umich.edu      || Michigan. Yet.