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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:59:05 GMT
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In <1993Jan6.060704.10892@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu writes:

> In article <C0Ezsx.CKD@acsu.buffalo.edu> dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne Gilles-Thomas) writes:
> >Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
> >was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
> >series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
> >specific instances.
> >
> > 
> I know of a couple of movie instances right off the top of my head (this may
> or may not be all of them):
>  
> ST2:TWOK - Saavik was refered to as Mister Saavik
>  
> ST6:TUC  - When the ravity boot is found in Crewman Dax's locker the other
>            crewman yelled "Sir, Sir!!" and Valaris (sp?) ran up.
>   
>            however....
>  
>            Earlier in the movie Valaris says to the two crewmen in the 
>            transporter room after the Klingons beam on to the big E
>            "You men have work?" and the crewmen reply "Yes, mame (sp)"

  In the DS9 premier, the female superior officers were repeatedly called "sir".
I find it rather jarring.


semper fi,

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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: The worms within...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:36:58 GMT

Speaking of Dax being a Trill...  Shouldn't the flashback brought on
by the orb have been from the perspective of the Trill in the old man
since it's not the body's mind exerting influence but the Trill's.

Mike
--
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Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 can be a bitch."
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From: davidk@is.morgan.com (David Kleiner)
Subject: Re: Question about DS9: Emissary
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:21:33 GMT



I have 1 interesting question..........		




Toward the end of DS9, the part when the 3 Cardassian warships were
going to destroy the Space Station and the order was given for the 6 Photon torpedoes from the Station to be fired across the bow of one of the Cardassian ships.......	



Since these Photon torpedoes could be fired with such accuracy,	
why not 2 to each Cardassian ship. That would have destroyed them	
easily. After all, the Station was being fired upon.
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From: tc26@quads.uchicago.edu (Tim Clark)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Summary: A solution from r.a.t.s 
Reply-To: tc26@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:04:59 GMT

In article <3C7VB3H3@cc.swarthmore.edu> eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Erik Oliver) writes:
>First of all, I agree that the volume on this channel is too high and
>one reason I did not read it for a long time is that I didn't have a
>very good threaded new reader.
>
>But, sometimes, I think part of the solution is just that, switch to
>threaded news readers and use a local file to assist.  I have found that
>with a simple 6 line kill file for this group, I am able to weed out all
>but the 30-40 postings, threaded into usually 10-20 threads, which I
>might be interested in.
>
>I want to say that I don't object in principle to a new, group, I am
>just suggesting, that it is possible using better software to control
>your feed, to limit your choices more succintly.
>
>-Erik

I am a reader of r.a.t.s (rec.arts.tv.soaps) and understand the problem 
that is happening here but do not understand why the simple solution is
not used.  Namely SUBJECT PROTOCOL and KILL files.  In r.a.t.s we have to
deal with every soap oprea and several "quasi" soap opreas every day. This
creates hundreds of posts a day.  There is a very strict protocol as to what
to put in SUBJECT line, e.g. AMC, GH, OLTL, SB, GL, LOV, DOOL, etc (that is
All My Children, General Hospital, Santa Barbara, Guidling Light, Loving,
Days of Our Lives, etc).  For those with the ability to create a KILL file
the SUBJECT header of the show you DO NOT WANT is put in the KILL file.
Every time you read your news group the file is checked for that abbervation
and anything found with it is "killed".  True, some news readers do not
have the ability to create a kill file.  Still, having CONSISTANT headers like:

TOS:
TNG:
DS9:
TAS:

etc, would make reading postings easier to sort through for everybody,
especially those who DON'T have a kill capability.

Before you flame me, I repeat, this works on r.a.t.s  and we have a much more 
varied group of shows to sort through.  Protocols for abbrevations for postings
dealing with more than one show can also be set up (ALL, NEXT&DEEP, etc).

Tim, I watch TNG, DS9, and AMC, Clark
:-)

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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Bashing
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:35:27 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <11JAN93.15920042.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>
>>    To hell with the new DS9 bashers,
>>    Kevin Duckworth
>>
>The difference between DS9 bashers and DS9 lovers is that when they
>all go to hell, the DS9 bashers will be the first to realise it. :)

Hey guys, it's a little harsh to condemn them to hell!
Maybe just, purgatory. :) 

Anyways, it's a very good show; and it's hard to see anyone finding
serious faults with it.

-- 
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From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Arnold S. in ST:TNG?
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
	<1993Jan9.170400.16116@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:40:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.170400.16116@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
>In article <egorr-060193114956@eeg5.uoregon.edu> egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr) writes:
>>Any more info on whether or not Arnold S. (I don't even want to try to
>>spell 
>>the last name) will appear in a ST:TNG episode?
>
>I also heard that rumor but I don't know any more about it..... and
>I also don't want to try spelling his last name <g>

Schwarzenegger...and that spelling was created phonetically, not by
memory. :-) (Amazing what one semester of college German can do...:-) )

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From: byork@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:VII ... It's Official!
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:29:19 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1ibvhmINNcu8@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_d613@ceres (The Magpie) writes:
> I don't know whether this has been bouncing around the net in the weeks that
> I've been off for Chrimbo, but on Saturday, on a British television programme
> called Going Live (You US chaps and chappesses probably won't know it), they
> had George Takei (Sulu) on for an interview.
> 
> In the small amount of time that he was on, he briefly announced (exclusivly)
> that Star Trek 7 was _definiately_ going to happen.
> 
> Unfortunately, he did not say who that script was going to be by, or what the
> subtitle of the film would be, although he jokingly (?) said that he was 
> rooting for 'The Adventures of Captain Sulu'.
> 
> If any other people saw the later interview (which I missed :-( ) , I'm sure
> a lot of people would be very interested to get more info.
> 
> 
> 
> +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
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> |   cs_d613@ceres.king.ac.uk |         Al  (Quantum Leap)                    |
> +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
> 
     I, too have heard that STVII was official, and if I had a choice, I would
was it to be about Captain Sulu. His part was great in STVI.
     But after what they did to STVI when they converted it to video( they
ruined it), I would hope that they avoid STVII.
           Barry
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:00:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1993Jan8.112603.58266@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT) writes:

>If "gas anomaly monitoring equipment" was used as a mod to a
>photon torpedo back in the time of ST6, then why was this great idea not
>implemented as a standard weapon by Star Fleet and used from that time
>right up to the present (TNG/DS9) as a defense against all cloaked
>adversaries?  

The gas detector only worked because the ship was manuevering on
impulse thrusters.  Also, I believe there was a reference to the
new fire-while-cloaked device having a deficiency which prevented
it from cloaking the exhaust gas.  Once this deficinency was demonstrated
in battle, the Klingons would surely fix it in future designs.


>If the one warbird that could fire while
>cloaked that the Klingons had produced was destroyed by this
>nearly-believable photon, is it feasible to believe the Klingons did
>not have the capability to make more?  

Presumeably, the Federation invests at least money in anti-cloaking
technology as the Klingons and Romulans invest in cloaking.  The
Federation (or someone else) may have found a way to detect ships
using that particular cloaking scheme.


>Federation is now buddy-buddy with the Klingons, considering Captain
>Picard settled a civil war, just to give one example, then why has
>Star Fleet not been able to obtain this technology through any means?

Ah, but the official story is that Picard had nothing to do with
that.  And the Klingons appear quite reluctant to share technology
with the Federation.  (Though I agree, after 75+ years, the Federation
should have managed to reverse-engineer the Romulan cloaking device
and build one of their own.) 
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From: cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar)
Subject: DAX in Starfleet?!?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NSWCDD
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:52:32 GMT

I may have missed the conversation on this but...

1. How did a Trill get into Starfleet?  A 200 yr old LT?  I don't know
about that.  How did it pass transporter class at the academy? (The
question of the transporter and the Trill has been discussed.)

2. Furthermore, where does LT. Dax get off calling COMMANDER Sisco by his
first name in an official (i.e. not alone) situation?  

I know they are old friends, but when was the last time you heard Worf call
Riker "Will"?  Even Troi sticks with "COMMANDER" when she and Riker are not
alone, and they go way back.

They need to clear these two things up before I'll feel comfortable with
the Dax character.  

John R Cogar                 | Always expect the worst.
cogar@mv5.nswc.navy.mil      | That way you won't be disappointed.
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:41:53 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ewright.726735247@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1993Jan09.055545.3719@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>>That was EXACTLY my point in saying that he was 'stripped' of
>>his rank. (IMHO) He *certainly* was stripped of the rank. No
>>one freely gives up rank. 

>So?  Are you saying James T. Kirk was a nobody?

No, but he didn't freely give up rank either.  The only time I can think of
where he was reduced in rank was Star Trek IV, and that was by no means
voluntary.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"I think that (one of) TNG's problems is that it considers lacking action,
 humor and character interplay to be interchangable with cerebral (just like
 it often considers civility and lack of conflict interchangable with
 friendship)."
			- Atsushi Kanamori on rec.arts.startrek, 7 July 1991
From: jt2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Trivelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: So... where's Keiko?
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:59:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfIFfVu00WB90MpklS
Organization: Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

hey... where's keiko?

She's eatin' pizza in 10-forward. It's a party for Worf.
Keiko baked a cake for Worf. She's at Kinko's makin'
copies of invitations. You're invited to a party for
Worf. Keiko's buyin' the Coca-Cola too. Coke for everyone...
thanks to Keiko.
Thank you, Keiko. You OK, Keiko?
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From: plant@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Troi, Skirts, and A Hoot or Two!
Reply-To: plant@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:29:10 GMT

Actually, the women in TOS did wear skirts -- mini-, in fact!  So, I suppose
if the ladies on TNG had a choice, we could see legs as well as "hooters".

Hooters?  What's the etymology of that word?  In my collegiate daze (in
the 60's -- 18, that is) we already referred to boobs, as in guys who 
are fixated thereon, as in most American boyz.  However, Ms. Sirtis is
a beautiful woman, her attributes clearly are part of the reason she is
on the show (tho I used to think the same of lovely ol' Gates, I do no
longer after seeing her act credibly in several movies), and she seems
to work hard at acting.

Anyway, Sirtis is also a very popular part of TNG and they obviously
regard her presence, sexy or not, as valuable.  But watch out for those
bugging eyeballs (esp. colliding with Frakes' rolling orbs)!
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 65 Use of "sir"
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:53:29 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>specific instances.
>
>

I don't ever recall this in TOS, but then the only female officer was
Uhura (unless you count nurse Chapel) and Kirk usually refered to her
as Uhura or Lieutenant.  However, in STII:TWOK I specifically remember
Kirk refering to Kirstie Alley's charater as "Mr. Saavik".
This is typical, as the male gender is (supposed to be) always employed
in military lingo.

BTW, does anyone notice how often Kirk calls on Spock to perform the
Vulcan Mind Meld in TOS?  It seemed like something very personal, but
Kirk was always pulling this "Spock, get down here.  I need a mind meld"
like he was asking for a cheeseburger.  Jeez.

                                        -=Road Warrior=-
From: rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:46:06 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan9.173631.18602@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> In "The Host" it is stated that a Trill cannot transport at all   
> because the biofilter will detect the worm as a parasite and filter it 
> out, thus killing it.

There's no mention made of the biofilter in "The Host;" it's only stated that
the transporter will kill the parasite half of the Trill.  The biofilter
hypothesis is reasonable, but there's no evidence for it as yet.

> Observation: Maybe O'Brien in his infinite 
> transporter wisdom will be able to, whil Dax is in terrible trouble,
> reprogram the transporter to ignore the worm and beam her out 
> "just in the nick of time"

Quite possible, IF the biofilter hypothesis is correct.

					--Rod Smith
					  RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
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From: colby@pro-smof.cts.com (G Colby)
Subject: "Emissary" novel snafu
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:13:56 GMT 
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]

Don't look now, but the photo on the cover of "Emissary", put out by Pocket
books, is REVERSED. I was studying it the other day, and I noticed this by
observing the com-badges. It was a nifty cover, a REALLY nifty cover, until
I noticed this. Somebody flipped the ol' negative again.

colby
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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: DS9 in Detroit (Ch. 50)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:33:17 GMT

	I'm adding another of a growing number of requests for air times
and dates for DS9.  Can anyone tell me when Channel 50 (WKBD) out of
Detroit will be showing the premier episode?  Also, when will the regular
series time slot be?  Thanks.
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From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:57:42 GMT
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
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In article 22528@microsoft.com, laurahal@microsoft.com (Laura Halliday) writes:
>
>
>One thing they *did* get right was the gritty low-tech (=low budget,
>probably) Alien/Star Cops/Red Dwarf look of everything. Get the story
>right and it doesn't matter what things look like. If anything, the
>worse the sets and the schlockier the effects, the better. Ever watched
>Dr. Who?
>
Alien, Red Dwarf, Dr. Who, and, to a degree, Star Cops at least had interesting
stories.  Space Rangers' plot was so feeble that I started reading a magazine
after about fifteen minutes or so.  One glance at the screen every few minutes
was more than enough to follow what was going on.  

It's too bad really because this show will fizzle and the networks will say
"See.  Sci-fi isn't popular enough to be on tv."


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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Runabouts
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: names of the Runabouts
Keywords: runabout
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:00:20 GMT

In article <cboerm48.726422063@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>	Hey did anyone else notice the names of the Runabouts? Seems that
>they're named after rivers. Rio Grande (sp?) and Yancy are the ones
>we heard, but not the third one. Do ya s'pose they're getting more or
>only three of them?
>
>			CtB
>
According to an article in the Detroit Free Press, the Runabouts are named
after three of Earth's great rivers, the Rio Grande, the Yangtzee Kiang, and
the Ganges.

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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:53:05 GMT


I am not tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson).  I didn't say:
>>the Stolid Commander.  Kira is The Bitch.
>    	    	    	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Sorry Michael, but now that you've joined us in Boston you're fair game. ;-)
>This is one of the most appalling things you've said in a while.  But it
>_is_ the typical respsonse to really strong, non-"feminine" female characters.
>"Oh--what a bitch!"

sorry, the woman i was watching the show with exclaimed "my god, she is such
a BITCH" on more than one occasion.  i personally had no problems with the
character, but the actress needs to tone down her portrayal... way too
strident for my taste.

-- 
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From: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Riker Takes Command!
Reply-To: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:18:56 GMT

So much concern over who takes over the Enterprise!  Riker is probably
next in line, but two things (I think) limit his chances:

	1)	If he's in command and gets too hysterical,
		his eyeball-rolling could seriously impair
		him and endanger the ship (i.e., his acting
		is even worse than Shatner's)

	2)	Since Riker is not real, and Frakes is NOT a
		"star" as such (if he leaves the show, the
		Maclean Stevenson corollary applies), so my
		guess is the ST folks would bring in a "star"
		to replace Stewart if he doesn't re-sign (and
		again, the MS cor. probably applies).  As to
		whom -- you got me ... any guesses (realistic --
		Mel Gibson's not available, Alistair Cooke's
		too old) ?????

Send in your guesses; maybe we can influence Stewart to resign
by scaring him that someone worthy is set to replace him!