HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:50:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


OK Guys, I'll bite, What ARE the 10 largest banks in the world?

-Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:40:24 GMT

warren@nysernet.ORG (Warren Burstein) writes:
> gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:

> >The proper plural of "talit" is "taliot," though most people use
> >"talitot," which is also considered acceptable.
> 
> Which reminds me, why is the small kind "talit katan"?  Shouldn't it
> be "talit ketanah?"  Or is it, and it's just me who says it wrong?

It's a calque (loan translation) from Yiddish.  If you want to stick
to Hebrew, just call it, imprecisely, "tzitzit."  (If you insist on
returning to Yiddish, call it "tzitzis."  I believe the word is then
construed as plural.)

:-)

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal (was Re: NO WAY! (Re: A message from Kach...))
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:58:11 GMT

In <92323.142400YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Yaakov Kayman
<YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>Though a supporter of the late Rabbi Kahane, HY"D, I have never been a
>member of either Kakh or of Kahane Chai. Should it indeed prove that the
>East Jerusalem grenade attack was the work of either of those organizations,
>I will, in addition to condemning the attack, mourn the deviation of
>whichever group, G-d Forbid, turns out to be the perpetrator of this horrid
>act, from the JUDAIC principles I personally know the late RABBI Kahane
>espoused.

The latest word from the Reuters news agency is that Kach and Kahane Chai
both praised the attack.  It's funny how two groups which purport to follow
Kahane's ideas should deviate so far from the "Judaic" principles that
their inspired leader promoted.

Would the "true" followers of Kahane please announce themselves?

--
David F. Skoll
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Valid Interpretation Flamefest Resumes
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:10:23 GMT

In article <22Nov92.041153.19196@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.010807.925@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>The "modernists" (R&C), convinced that the torah is of human
>>origin, must ...
>
>Where do you get that idea?  Certainly not true for many C's,
>anyway.  But, figuratively speaking, C's don't require a mind scan
>to see what you think before deciding whether your practice is
>legit or not.

Well, as I thought I made clear, my immediate source was Milton Steinberg.
Specifically, his well-known book Basic Judaism.  Furthermore, the entire
theory of historical positivism expoused by Solomon Schechter and adopted
by the Conservative movement in the early part of the century depends on
this, doesn't it?


-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: the Nature of Honey
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:15:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.171328.21327@eskimo.com> chips@eskimo.com (cav) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.160349.547@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
>}Thank you for the explanation as to what exactly happens.  This is
>}the reason given in the Talmud for bee honey being considered
>}Kosher.  That is, the processing of the plant juices occur in the
>}crop and outside the bees body.  ated
>What is the crop of a bee? From the entomologist it sounds like its
>a stomach, as the plant juice is "regurgitated" to make the honey.
  The idea here is that the interior of the stomach and intestines
  is outside the body. However, I still wonder if all this is moot
  since the wax for the honeycombs is secreted from the bees'
  abdominal plates.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:00:50 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Netanyahu poised to lead Likud

In article <92322.1650452893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy
<2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> says:
>
An article in today's Toronto Star reports that a victory in a vote by Likud
leaders yesterday means Benjamin Netanyahu is almost certain to become the new
leader of Likud at the election March 25th. As well, a gallup poll shows that
73% of Israelis believe Netanyahu will win the party primary.

There, that's better:)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Why I think Kach's policies are racist (AND DANGEROUS)
Summary: Complete context
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:49:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.160820.27477@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

# In article <dfs.721804438@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

# >In <1992Nov15.002752.4810@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
# >makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >>	Fine.  What will you tell Israel to do when its survival (both
# >>demographically as a Jewish state and from a security persective)
# >>leave Israel no choice but to either adopt Kach policies or "commit
# >>suicide"?

# >You're talking nonsense again.  You keep repeating this "doomsday"
# >scenario, without any evidence to back it up.

#    There you are, David (Makowsky). You are within the million mile
#    limit.

	Sorry.  This does not even qualify for the two million mile rule.  If
you would have included the full context of my article, this would be self
evident.

#    You refuse to present the sequence of events that will
#    lead Israel to make the choice you describe above. In their absence,
#    I am left only with prophesy.

	Well, since I did not save my article, and you purposefully deleted
parts of it, I cannot respond exactly.  I will state, however, that I have
raised the demographic issue.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Keywords: antisemitism
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:13:54 GMT
Organization: New York University

milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison) writes:


>Yeah, I pulled that article off clarinet.  One heartening thing:
>American antisemites tend to be white men over 60 who have no more than a
>high school education, according to the study.  So, our worst enemies will
>be dead soon.

>One disheartening thing:  In general, African-Americans are far more likely
>to be antisemitic than whites.

And from what I've heard, the likelihood that a black person is anti-Semitic
*increases* with their level of education.  Witness the popularity of anti-
Semitic tirades by Nation of Islam representatives on prestigious college
campuses.  There was one a week or two ago at Columbia.

>-Martin 
--

Jordan Mann at NYU      (mannj@cims.nyu.edu)
From: charla@kerouac.East.Sun.COM ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Second Hand Judaica wanted
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:25:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: charla@kerouac.East.Sun.COM ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerouac.east.sun.com
Keywords: menorot, kiddush cups, platters, etc ...


I'm looking for leads, in the Boston area or possibly by mail,
for getting Jewish articles that "have a past" for my home.  Since
my family isn't Jewish, I don't have any "heirlooms" so I want
to create my own, by adopting articles that have been put up for
sale.  I'd like to know a little about their history, but that
isn't absolutely necessary. 

Right now I'm particularly looking for kiddush cups, menorah(ot?),
a tzedakah box, and challah plates.

If you have any ideas, or you know of families breaking up estates
who might have something available, please let me know.

I'm also looking for a story I read sometime ago about converts
taking on the soul of one of the six million.  Everyone seems
to think this is a lovely story, but unless I find the source,
I'm in danger of being credited with inventing it, and I'm sure I
didn't.

thx.

c

 

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: What _is_ the procedure for conversion to Judaism?
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 00:10:33 GMT

In <92317.073707CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:

    First consult a (Conservative/Orthodox/Reconstructionist/Reform) rabbi
    because only (Conservative/Orthodox/Reconstructionist/Reform) Judaism
    is Authentic Judaism (tm) and only Authentic (tm) conversions are
    valid.

Given the trouble that Rabbi Lamm had with the word "valid" some years
ago, I think that this word needs (tm) also.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,bit.listserv.catholic
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: "Feminazis" and the "abortion holocaust"
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:16:46 GMT

In article <1eetlrINNmgt@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr) writes:
>The Holocaust -- the systematic murder of 6 million Jews by Hitler's forces --
>was a conscious attempt at GENOCIDE.  It was Hitler's express intention
> ...
>
>And someone wants to compare this to abortion?  All right, let's compare it.
> ...
>Assume that an embryo is sentient from the moment of conception.  Now,
>
>is advocacy of abortion rights comparable with the Holocaust?
>
>NO.
>
>Embryos in the early stages are nothing more physically
>than a ball of cells.  Only religious/philosophical grounds can convince one
>that they are as sentient as born humans and that to destroy one is murder. 
>
> ...

Isn't that all human beings are - nothing more then a bunch of cells?
Only religious/philosophical grounds will convince me that it is
worse to destroy such a bunch of cells than to destroy an amoebe (eg).


Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:26:46 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <97703@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
Wiener) says:
>
>Both of us were talking about a conversion.  That meant qualifications
>for a witness, not a judge, were the issue.

Wrong. The composition and qualifications of the beit din to effect a
conversion are the issue.

>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

Yaakov K.
--------
Yaakov Kayman      (212) 903-3666       City University of New York

BITNET:   YZKCU@CUNYVM        "Lucky is the shepherd, and lucky his flock
Internet: YZKCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU     about whom the wolves complain"
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Square Kippot (was: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments)
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:04:26 GMT

friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:

>If one were to wear a square kippah, would it require tzitzit?
>(is a kippah considered a garment?)
     On Purim?
     And a story. My university delivers degrees on LAG BA'OMER, with some
     Professors disguised with black robes and a funny square thing on their
     heads with even one tzitzit-like object hanging at some corner. One of
     my colleagues joined us in trying -and failing- to abolish this stupidity.
     He asked to move Graduation Day to Purim or suppress these Middle Ages
     Church-inspired garmentsr: no effect.

>Gedaliah Friedenberg
     Yaaqov Goldberg
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kach and terrorism
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <92323.1854102893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

# From the Globe and Mail, 18 November 1992

# (Reuter) Police in Jerusalem detained a member of an extreme right-wing Jewish
# group yesterday in connection with a grenade attack that killed one Arab and
# wounded 12. A police spokesman said a member of the Kach movement was
# questioned about Monday's attack in the Old City.

	Next time someone who is amember of an organiztion you belong to
gets cught for doing something wrong, even a murder, be sure to print
what the Globe and Mail says about it.  I do not care if his act has
nothing to do ith your organiztion, since that did not stop you here.

# Energy Minister Amnon Rubinstein asked the attorney-general to put the leaders
# of Kach and the related Kahane Lives movement on trial for inciting terrorism
# after the two groups praised the attack.

	Given what the police said today, are you going to print the Globe
and Mail retraction?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: CARIAN@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:06:23 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1992Nov13.172408.19602@uc.msc.edu>, saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen
Saroff) says:
>
>What are the rules regarding Tzitzit on everyday garments, as opposed
>to Tallisism?
    ////

What's this?
Yet another new denomination?

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Kosher Honey - Still no answer
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:31:27 GMT

er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)

> The simple proof for the kashrus of honey is the well-known song that every
> child in a good Jewish nursery school should know:
> 
> "Dip the apple in the honey, make a bracha loud and clear..."
> 
> >From which it can be proven that honey is kosher, since if it were not, why
> bother making a bracha?
> :-)

For the apple.

-Don Gertler
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:42:27 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: goy
 <1empbmINNbb9@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
 <1992Nov23.040258.28472@cs.albany.edu>

In article <1992Nov23.040258.28472@cs.albany.edu>, mark@cs.albany.edu (Mark
Steinberger) says:
>
>In article <1empbmINNbb9@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>>However, the word as it is often used today--and
>>particularly as it derives from the Yiddish usage--is indeed
>>derogatory.
>
>Given the prevalence of discrimination, and even outright pogroms, in
>the treatment of Jews by their neighbors over the past few centuries,
>is it any surprise that the Yiddish word for non-Jew would have some
>negative connotations?
>
>Is that any reason to stop using it?
>
>
>Viewed another way, should we stop calling ourselves Jews because the
>word has had negative connotations for a number of non-Jews?

WHAT!!!! Jew is not a derogatory word, goy is. Would you not object to words
like kyke, hymie, heeb etc?  Don't justify racist words by pointing at the
racism of others.

>
>
>--Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Himalayan Yogi online
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 07:46:39 GMT

In <1992Nov13.220733.6115@crash> classics@crash.cts.com (Baruch Schwartz) writes:

>Kriya is a discipline which is open to all, Jew or non-Jew.

So post to a non-Jewish group and leave us alone.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
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 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
From: hem@maverick.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:11:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com

In article <1992Nov22.093616.18914@u.washington.edu> nobby@hardy.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:
>
>I expect a reasoned argument. And please stick to the facts and think twice
>before you post next time that churches give 2 points to everybody who
>converts a Jew while regular prozelytes are worth only 1. 
>
>
>nobby@u.washington.edu
>

While the mainstream churches don't do this, there are a number
of cults which do behave this way.  They have targeted the
immigrant population very heavily and use significant
mistranslations, misquotations, and outright lies to attempt to
convert Jews.  There are also organizations of xian missionaries
who pretend to be Jewish such as Jews for jesus, "Hebrew
christians", and "Messianic Jews" [sic].  Countermissionary
organizations such as Jews for Judaism have run into them all the
time.  If you have not encountered them yet you have been very
lucky.

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:09:14 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Nov14.064657.12941@sarah.albany.edu> sarah@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>And so, to make a complicated question even more complicated, I will
>add to this question.  Am I correct in this understanding: Since a 
>man is not supposed to ejaculate outside of vaginal sex, then oral
>sex on a male should not be brought to ahem... completion.  Therefore
>it is a moot point to ask if it is forbidden on fast days. 

This is essentially true.

But it's a moot point to ask if it's forbidden on fast days since sex in
general is forbidden on fast days.

Miriam Nadel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: *NOT* from the Himalayan Guru
Summary: Jewish Spirituality
Organization: Johns Hopkins University 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 04:27:44 GMT


---- From _Jews for Nothing_ by Dov Aharoni Fisch:

[I've added whitespace for readability.  Paragraphs are indented.]

	Judaism has always recognized the need for a person to come to
daily terms with his innermost self.  Through morning prayer, he
carefully examines himself before beginning his physical day. He
meditates on the world, on his role in that world.  He acknowledges
his debt to his Creator and expresses devotion.  he binds his heart
and mind together with _tefillin_, and he scales the greatest
spiritual heights as he intones: "_Shema Yisrael_..."

After his prayers he enters the world that much more steady in his own
sense of being.  Again he will take time from his materialistic day --
once in the afternoon and later in the evening -- to search himself,
to express devotion, to meditate.  Time will be set aside to study a
spiritually rewarding authentic Jewish text -- the Torah -- and he will
luxuriate in its ethereal splendor, sublimely relaxing his mind even
as he develops its powers.

The sacred commandments, _Mitzvot_, will also surround him during the
day, reminding him that he is a spiritual being.  Authentic Judaism
allows the individual to enjoy this world's pleasures by providing for
all human needs: spiritual and physical.  It provides an opportunity
for the Jew to participate in the "relativistic, experiential" world
of action, and it allows him to revel in a state of other-worldly
bliss.  It unites the heart with the mind, and it focuses the unified
powers on both planes of reality.  Without suppressing natural
physical needs, it helps define the supremacy of the states of reason
and understanding over those of craving and lust.

	The laws G-d gave the Jewish people were meant to direct His
nation toward conducting their lives in a manner which would be
characterized neither as austere nor as hedonistic, but as human.  If
Hindu gurus have succeeded in attracting to their ranks young refugees
from America's assimilated Jewish communities, they have done so not
because they have discovered a secret path to fulfillment which Judaism
lacked but because they offer an artificial imitation to young Jews
who have never tasted the product in its natural, organic form.

---- End of excerpt



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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:05:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.141602.18257@umbc3.umbc.edu>
shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

>In article <1992Nov23.135430.11120@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov23.134129.11889@umbc3.umbc.edu>
>>shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

>>>In article <9211202025.AA11645@cyclone.sbi.com>
>><gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:

>>>>warren@nysernet.ORG (Warren Burstein) writes:

>>>>> The tallisists go around putting tzitzit on everything possible.
>>>>           ^

>>>>Caught ya!!  You closet Ashkenazi!

>>>Should it have been "tallitittt go around putting tzitzit on everything
>>>pottible?

>>Wait a minute.  I thought one only put tzitzit on clothing, not on food or
>>drink.  Putting tzitzit on potable items might bring us back to the great
>>4-cornered hamentasch debate of a couple Purims ago.

>Or Warren's tzav pinui, which (I assume) means a [four-]cornered turtle,
>which may or may not be required to have tzizit.  (Does a turtle
>"wear" its carapace?  And what if a person wears a turtle?)

The person is always welcome to dip his turtle, his tzitzit, or his Karpas
in saltwater on Pesach.  However, the person who cleans his tzitzit may
have other priorities.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
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