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From: ian@marmite.West.Sun.COM (Ian Griffin - NCN Reseller SE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: British Household Habits (was: washing the dishes)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:30:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 19165@rtf.bt.co.uk, fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher) writes:

> Since we're on the subject of British household habits, let me mention
> one which I found very interesting during a long stay in Britland.
> Toast.  In racks.  On the breakfast table, possibly for hours.  Stone
> cold.  I always enjoyed the idea of the racks, which enable the frosty
> air of the dining area to circulatee freely and render the toast as
> cold as possible.

A freshly toasted slice of bread is so hot at first that if you put it straight onto your plate for spreading it causes condensation on the plate and one side
of the toast gets soggy.  So if you let it cool off for a few seconds in an
upright position it will be just right.  Of course toast is not supposed to 
lie in the racks for hours. 

They are normally used by hotels and restaurants as a serving implement, I mean how do they serve toast in the US?  Not piled high on a plate, I hope!
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It is. Piled high on a plate. With the butter, marge or whatever
already spread on it. Usually warm, slightly soggy. No such thing
as crisp toast in the US, unless you count toasted bagels.

However, by far the cleverest improvement in American toasting vs. British
is that they cut the toast diagonally, thereby avoiding the dilemma we
all have as to whether the round end or the square end is preferable...

Ian.
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From: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Washing the dishes
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Aug26.101427.8516@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, banks@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> But what has this got to do with TV? Apart from Coronation St, we had a 
|> genre about 25 years ago of 'kitchen sink dramas'.  In reaction to all the
|> evening-gowned 'hostess' presenters on the BBC at the time, and lots of
|> upper-class people generally ruling the airwaves, drama producers began
|> setting dramas in gritty northern working class kitchens, where drunken
|> husbands would swear at their wives who were doing the washing up and 
|> cooking black pudding and things.  I can't remember the names of any of
|> these right now, but someone out there ought to be able to come up with
|> a few.

Well, there was the classic "It's Grim up North" starring Norbert Smith :-)

Cheers,
	Marlon
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From: EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: ITC ENTERTAINMENT (UK) ADDRESS
Date: 29 Aug 1992 00:47:58 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The UK address of ITC Videos is

ITC Entertainment,
24 Nutford Place,
London W1H 5YN,
UNITED KINGDOM

Telephone: 071 262 3262
(or from the US: 011 44 71 262 3262)

They *DO* usually reply to letters.  They also have a "hotline" telephone
number for a recorded message of forthcoming releases.  It's an 0898
number and cannot be dialed from the US, although I'll look it up if
any UK readers are interested.

Please note that ITC Entertainment are in NO WAY related to the "other" ITC
(Independant Television Commission) who are the controlling body of the
ITV regional network (formerly the IBA and the ITA before that).

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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: British Household Habits (was: washing the dishes)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:55:21 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>Since we're on the subject of British household habits, let me mention
>one which I found very interesting during a long stay in Britland.
>Toast.  In racks.  On the breakfast table, possibly for hours.  Stone
>cold.  I always enjoyed the idea of the racks, which enable the frosty
>air of the dining area to circulatee freely and render the toast as
>cold as possible.

>Another culinary treat which was new to me was sausage which was
>evidently made of sawdust.  Is this traditional?  Does it date
>back to WWII days?   Or is it some kind of elaborately subtle
>insult to the Germans and the Polish?

>I did, however, like haggis and Scottish meat pies.  And the beer.
>:-)

Ah Yes but did you dare to ask what haggis is made of?  Even more
daring - ask what black pudding and white pudding are made of.

--------------------------- ----------------
Visit the Scottish highlands and see herds of haggises peacefully
grazing.  Watch the fierce bagpipe hunt and kill them.  Go fishing
for kippers off the beach by the Holy See.
---------------------------------------------- smilely section over
>Heather Henderson
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Where's the SciFi?
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:39:52 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: Synapse Computer Consultants
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Is anyone else suffereing from a stunning lack of science fiction on
television?  With the few exceptions of a US programme here or there,
and the occasional film, there appears to be NO scifi at present...

Who do we whinge to?
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Capitol City
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:13:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep2.151329.29383
Organization: Western Washington University


It's a drama (almost a prime time soap) about a bunch of young people
who work for a small investment bank in London.  Same sort of idea
as the nonfiction book LIAR'S POKER, except that everyone in the show
is much nicer than the creeps in real life.  The characters are good,
and well-acted.  The show is pretty funny at times too.  I have
heard they may be filming a third season.  If I were you I'd try one
and see if you like it (and by the way the closing credit sequence in
the second season is a superb bit of camera work).
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
From: ajn@physics.wm.edu (Alastair Neil)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British
Reply-To: ajn@physics.wm.edu
Organization: Rio de Caca Illuminati
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:09:10 GMT

In article 15249@cs.hw.ac.uk, neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>In article <JIM.92Aug24161953@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>>This is probably just youthful silliness. However, student societies
>>can sometimes get money from the student union which is funded by the
>>university from student fees. I know someone tried to start a
>
>Yes, I'm the Pres of the Bookhouse Boys: The HW Twin Peaks Soc.
>
>>BTW, some of British children's TV programmes are very clever. In
>>some, the humour can be quite sophisticated. For example, one of the
>>best moments ever in British TV was an episode of Paddington Bear.
>>[Incidentally, PB's not a cartoon, but animation using 3D objects,
>>including the eponymous bear.] Anyway, this episode finished with
>
>I think Count Duckula is pretty well done. Wasted on kids.

Count Duckula is also shown here in the states, by the way.

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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: New Morse
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:09:26 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland


Just remembered from the weekend papers.

The next series of Inspector Morse is going to be the last one. They are
about to finish the shooting and the article was talking about the
final episode which is going to be a real blockbuster one.

Morse will be playing opposite a character played by John Gielgoud (sp?)
and it was claimed it will be a UKTV classic.

Neil
From: tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: WANTED: Encounters Episode 3 (Conan Doyle)
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:05:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc

Hi

I have episodes 1-2 on tape if anyone would like to borrow them, but I
need Episode 3.  Can anyone oblige?  Return postage paid of course,
and I should be able to turn the tape round in a day.

Thanks awfully!!

In case you haven't guessed, Encounters is extremely good.

Thanks

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Igor Blimey (was Gordon Bennett)
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:05:19 GMT

Graeme Griffiths :
> Origins ..of the term "Gordon Bennett" as a mild curse ..

I think Gordon Bennett must be a close relative of that bloke
Igor Blimey (*) my father would refer to occasionally in
unknowing blasphemy.

(* Ee, gor blimey [= (may) God blind me].  Dad was a
   Lancastrian-Cockney hybrid.)

> Oh no I can hear it now.  All over the US there are netters brushing
> up on their "Dick Van Dyke" cockney accents.......

To this transatlantic Brit, there are few things more excruciatingly
embarassing than the low USian comedian's stereotypical idea of
Cockney, but some of the Benny Hill troupe renderings of an "American"
dialect (typically Mid-Western or Southern; Canada, New England, etc.
don't exist) come to mind.

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From: kat@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: BLAKES 7, WHEN? WHEN? WHEN?!?!?
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:39:23 GMT
Organization: none

In <1992Aug19.164215.9568@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>will there EVER be a PGP Blakes 7 movie/series/made for tv movie???
>every time i post this i get the same answer....

>"oh, terry nation is going to make it soon...."

>when is soon?????
The only answer I know is, when somebody rich puts up the money for it.
Which is probably never.  Terry Nation has written script(s), and
various people would be willing to participate, but there ain't no
production companies saying "Yes I would love to pay for this show,"
so it probably won't happen.

And I'm happy enough if it doesn't, because it is really too late.
They could not make it the same, because the actors are too old,
and if they tried to make it the same it would be a great dissappointment.
If they (sensibly) made it a different show following on from the
original, then it would be a different show, and it would have to stand
or fall on its own merits, and it would not be guaranteed to work.

Fan fiction is good enough for me.  When one can find good fan fiction.

>B7 is the BEST SHOW IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!!  It must continue!!!!
It already continues, in the pens and minds of fans.

>donald k. wedding ii (dkwii)
>(a typical B7 fan)
No, you are a typical *American* Blake's 7 fan.  Maybe.
Not all of us express ourselves with your, um, exuberance.
[spot the cultural difference]

Kathryn Andersen
(probably not a typical anything)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Avon: Why are you listening to this drivel, Blake?
	We can take Star One; let's get on with it.
Jenna: Very stirring.  When did you become a believer?
...
Avon: Show me someone who *believes* in anything, and I will show you a fool.
		(Blake's 7: Star One [B13])
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From: fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: British Household Habits (was: washing the dishes)
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:40:27 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> Since we're on the subject of British household habits, let me mention
> one which I found very interesting during a long stay in Britland.
> Toast.  In racks.  On the breakfast table, possibly for hours.  Stone
> cold.  I always enjoyed the idea of the racks, which enable the frosty
> air of the dining area to circulatee freely and render the toast as
> cold as possible.

A freshly toasted slice of bread is so hot at first that if you put it straight 
onto your plate for spreading it causes condensation on the plate and one side
of the toast gets soggy.  So if you let it cool off for a few seconds in an
upright position it will be just right.  Of course toast is not supposed to 
lie in the racks for hours. 

They are normally used by hotels and restaurants as a serving implement, I mean 
how do they serve toast in the US?  Not piled high on a plate, I hope!

> 
> Another culinary treat which was new to me was sausage which was
> evidently made of sawdust.  Is this traditional?  Does it date
> back to WWII days?   Or is it some kind of elaborately subtle
> insult to the Germans and the Polish?
> 
> I did, however, like haggis and Scottish meat pies.  And the beer.
> :-)

Most British sausages are alright, but you can get a few - like the ones they
use in Little Chefs - which do look like sawdust inside.  This is anything but 
traditional but a way of being mean and using up even more offal than ever.

Anyway how can you say that when American bacon doesn't appear to come from
pigs or any other kind of animal.  It's always titchy, fried to a crisp, and
essentially tasteless.  Plus there doesn't seem to be any variety of bacon...
And butter!! etc. etc. whine whine...

Also all houses, halls of residence, flats I've lived in have been fully
centrally heated, and I think America is obsessed with air conditioning; all
you have to do is open windows [alright, that's enough, what newsgroup is this
anyway?].

-- 
 Catherine 
 _____________________________________________________________________________

    "Anyone who calls a spade a spade should be compelled to use one"
    Oscar Wilde
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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Stinkers: Dempsey and Makepeace
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:35:22 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <1992Aug28.094119.203@apricot.co.uk>, steve@apricot.co.uk
(Steve Flavell) writes:
|>pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|>
|>>John Francis (johnf@apollo.hp.com) wrote:
|>>: In article <1992Aug26.013128.27086@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>
dunlop_f@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
|>>: >We had D & M here in New Zealand. I reckoned it wasn't too bad. 
|>>: >I liked the Ford Escort one of them drove.
|>>: 
|>>: Cosworth Sierra, I believe.  What with that and Soo Lin . . . .
|>>: 
|>>: -- 
|>>: John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
|>>: The world can be divided into two classes :-
|>>:  those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
|>
|>>End of an era - the Sierra Cosworth will cease to be manufactured at the end
|>>of this year. Blame the recession and insurance premiums.
|>
|>Yes but Ford have just released the Escort Cosworth, an all together more   
|>powerful and good looking car than the Sierra.
|>

    "Ford" and "good looking car" in the one sentence?? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

|>Wait till you see one, the rear wing is even larger and it has huge bulbous
|>wheel arches to encase the wheels.

   Sounds like it will look even more rediculous that the Sierra did. Snigger.

|>>Pete
|>>--
|>>*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment
Procedures*
|>>Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD
(+44/0)904 433388
|>>EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built
up areas'
                            
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Number of Episodes in Brit TV Series
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:50:26 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Aug31.205025.2639@mercury.cair.du.edu> kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn) writes:
>My question is:  what is the normal number of episodes for the
>"average" Brit TV series (per year)?  Are there more episodes of
>"Waiting..." and "Keeping"?  Or is the local PBS station keeping with
>tradition of buying just a few episodes of a show, and showing them
>all out of order (like they did with Red Dwarf, much to my eternal
>chagrin)...
>kip



There are exceptions but UK comic/drama series are usually made in 6 or 13
episode `seasons'.  There are two major reasons 1) most UK TV comic/drama
series are written by the original authors ONLY (massive generalization
warning!) 2) TV production is VERY expensive and contracting for a 26
episode season is just too expensive for the UK based production companies
(and the BBC) given the available market place (which is about a quarter of
the North American market.) As very few UK programs make it to non-PBS
stations in North America you can't budget assuming US sales.

Even when a program has established a reputation for good viewing figures,
such as 'Allo, 'Allo they still only make 13 or so per 12 or 24 months
because of the limited rate at which scripts can be written and the fact
that the cast members prefer to do other work.  As far as I can remember
there has only been three writers doing the 'Allo, 'Allo scripts - the two
originals plus a third writer that was brought in during the last (as in
immediately previous) series. In a series such as Last of the Summer Wine,
the entire run (>12 years) has been credited to one author.  


-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
From: I.Rutson@bradford.ac.uk (Ian Rutson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: coronation street
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:45:46 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91722908@muser

alan.kennedy@canrem.com (alan kennedy) writes:

>Can someone please tell me how often Coronation Street airs in the UK?
>I am almost positive it is just three times a week.

>Here in Toronto, we are about four months behind (it is now April on the
>show). They announced today that it will be on four times a week. I'm
>wondering if they are just trying ot catch up, or if indeed there are
>now four shows a week in the UK?

You are indeed right.  It's on three times a week over here, Monday,
Wenesday and Friday 7:30 while 8:00.  In some regions there is also an
omnibus edition on a Sunday evening.




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From: daniel@csgi63.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (D N Crow)
Subject: Re: Blackadder's Christmas Carol now available in North America
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:10:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: csgi63.leeds.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BtyEuu.461@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, catstyle@deja-vu.aiss.uiuc.edu (CatStyle ) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.162730.8346@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jhc@iscp.bellcore.com (Jonathan Clark) writes:
> >(excluding the Staradder sketch). Ordering information:
> 
> For the benefit of my co-worker, what was the Staradder sketch?
> (It's a girl using a Mac, wonder upon wonder that she doesn't
> know how to post...)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> CatStyle
> jrh@uiuc.edu

Well ignoring that truly sexist and geekish remark, the "Staradder" sketch
was the vision of times to come in Blackadder's Christmas Carol, where the
far distant future is revealed.

-- 
Dan Crow
daniel@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Stinkers: Dempsey and Makepeace
From: dunlop_f@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: dunlop_f@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <25AUG92.18291888@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>If anyone is compiling a list of all-time stinkers, "Dempsey and
>Makepeace" HAS to be on it.  One of the truly rotten shows in the
>history of TV.  It was a UK/US co-production, as I understand,
>so full blame cannot be placed on either culture.
>
>Heather Henderson
>HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
>Clark University
>Worcester, MA
We had D & M here in New Zealand. I reckoned it wasn't too bad. 
I liked the Ford Escort one of them drove.
From: Robert.Hartill@cm.cf.ac.uk (virtual user)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Bud Wiser
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:09:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Maths (COMMA), UWCC, Wales, UK

I noticed in the credits for 'The Upper Hand', the UK version
of 'Who's The Boss', that 'TELEPLAY' was by 'Bud Wiser'.

I bet he doesn't drink Carling Black Label.

Does he exist ?
 
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From: "alan kennedy" <alan.kennedy@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: coronation street
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:12:22 EST
Reply-To: "alan kennedy" <alan.kennedy@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Here in Canada, Coronation Street is about 4 months behind the UK.
Would someone mind either posting or E-mailing me an update?
There was another posting a few messages back asking for the same thing,
so perhaps it would be better to post it.

Thanks in advance!
alan.kennedy@canrem.com
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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Washing the dishes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.101427.8516@vax.oxford.ac.uk> banks@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>But what has this got to do with TV? Apart from Coronation St, we had a
>genre about 25 years ago of 'kitchen sink dramas'.  In reaction to all the
>evening-gowned 'hostess' presenters on the BBC at the time, and lots of
>upper-class people generally ruling the airwaves, drama producers began
>setting dramas in gritty northern working class kitchens, where drunken
>husbands would swear at their wives who were doing the washing up and
>cooking black pudding and things.  I can't remember the names of any of
>these right now, but someone out there ought to be able to come up with
>a few.

	Try "Z Cars", the superb reaction to Dixon with Green Dick.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)