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From: kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Gas Boycott
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:42:00 GMT
	<1992Jul23.191551.29047@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1992Jul24.132003.15769@bnr.ca>
	<1992Jul24.143833.13012@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Distribution: ott
Organization: MITEL Public Switching, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: dragog@bmerh92.bnr.ca's message of 24 Jul 92 14:38:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.143833.13012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dragog@bmerh92.bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec) writes:

| pennies difference in gas prices.  Things could be worse.  Gas prices
| in Europe, I hear, are 3 to 4 times more expensive than here.

Although that is true, we're talking about more than a few pennies.
My father was recently in town from Winnipeg and he remarked on the
high cost of gas here. Not only is it cheaper just outside of Ottawa,
but it is much cheaper out West. He's seen prices in the low 40's this
year during gas price wars, which are regular occurences in Winnipeg.

The point being that the difference to their prices is as much as 10
cents a litre and much more during their gas wars. This amounts to
about 45 cents a gallon. True, I wouldn't stop driving because of it,
but I would certainly support the boycott because of it.

Remember in the early 80's when the liberals used a proposed 18 cent
per gallon price increase to wipe out a conservative government?
Today, Ottawans take increases like that as a part of daily life,
because they *are* a part of daily life in this city. Prices bounce up
and down by 2 to 5 cents all the time.

| That's collusion and it's illegal.  Question is, can it be proven?  I
| fail to see why the gas companies would do this in Ottawa.

How about because it works better here than most other places. In a
city as spread out as this one, the car is a necessity, especially for
those with jobs miles apart and young families. Plus, the salaries are
probably more stable than most other places, and we already know that
the average family salary here is one of the highest in the country
along with Toronto (approx. 50k).
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From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:34:34 EST

In a message dated Wed 28 Jul 92 23:53, Rwm@atronx.ocunix.on.ca (russell Mc
wrote:

 RM>   You don't caugh after following some of the crap that people
 RM> attempt to drive down bank street.

No but the cars don't drive themselves into your way :-)

 RM>  It's been obvious to me that there are some cars on the
 RM> road that are likely very illegal to drive.

>I have my Age of Majority card already, so I have photo id :-)

 RM>   Well, it works for me - It's only those Video stores that require
 RM> Drivers Licence and/or Credit card that I have a problem with, as I
 RM> don't have eithor ;-)

Well, hopefully i'll have mine before you get this message.  So make sure
you get off the sidewalks!  :-)


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From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: Gas Boycott
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:05:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.132735.25974@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, gwaters@bwdls139.bnr.ca (Glenn Waters) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.132003.15769@bnr.ca>, dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> I seriously doubt the boycott will work because of the following:
|> |> 
|> |> 1) Ottawa is the apathy capital of the universe.  Previous boycotts ended
|> |>    in dismal failures, so based on the past, I predict the same thing will
|> |>    occur.
|> Sounds like you fit in well in Ottawa.

Thanks for your opinion.  Whenever you can't say anything useful it's always
refreshing to resort to personal attacks.  How mature.  Irrespective of what
you think, I have been quite vocal about prices (not just gasoline but other 
consumer goods as well) in Ottawa being out of whack with other communities 
in Ontario.  

My point was that I perceive that a majority of people in Ottawa can't be 
bothered.  Why?  Possibly because they earn a comfortable amount of money 
and don't mind spending an extra $300 a year on gas or an extra $3 for a 
CD or an extra $250 for a Macintosh computer.  

Maybe they've got such crowded social lives that they can't spend a precious
30 seconds driving to the gas station down the road that sells gas for 2
cents/litre less.

I, however, make a point of being cheap.  I will drive to Shoppers City
East and buy gas where it's currently 55.7 cents/litre instead of paying
58.9 cents/litre at the station around the corner from where I live.  
I will mail-order LaserDiscs from the U.S. for $CDN 30 instead of 
paying $75 locally for the same title.

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From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:40:38 EST

In a message dated Sun 25 Jul 92  2:18, Rwm@atronx.ocunix.on.ca (russell Mc
wrote:

 RM>   I'm myself glad to see more people like myself.  In the summer I
 RM> go everywhere on the Bike, and by winter I eithor walk or do

Sounds like thats what i'll be doing alot of when I get to Ottawa as well. 
Thats basically waht I do here.

 RM> OCTranspo - I haven't even bothered to get a licence yet, and
 RM> won't if I can manage to get through life without it in our
 RM> Smog-oriented society ;-)

I'm not that much better than you!  I'm 20 and don't have my license yet
either (must run in the family :-), but am getting it next thursday.  Watch
out guys!, get off the sidewalks!

jammer

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From: dragog@bmerh92.bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec)
Subject: Re: Gas Boycott
Reply-To: dragog@bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:38:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.132003.15769@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
|> 
|> I seriously doubt the boycott will work because of the following:
|> 
|> 1) Ottawa is the apathy capital of the universe.  Previous boycotts ended
|>    in dismal failures, so based on the past, I predict the same thing will
|>    occur.

Unfortunately, I agree that many people probably don't care one way or
another.  I know that I will try to avoid Shell for the next little while
but when it comes down to it, I'll drive my car regardless of a few
pennies difference in gas prices.  Things could be worse.  Gas prices
in Europe, I hear, are 3 to 4 times more expensive than here.

|> 2) No matter what the gas companies and the the compitition task forces
|>    say, I believe the gas companies have an under-the-table agreement
|>    to fix prices within 0.5 cents/litre of each other within particular 
|>    boundries.  Shell is not going to break that agreement.  

That's collusion and it's illegal.  Question is, can it be proven?  I
fail to see why the gas companies would do this in Ottawa.  Who are they
hurting?  Not the politicians.  I'm sure they can claim some amount of
travel expenses, and in the end it all comes out of everyone's pocket
anyways.

|> What will happen is that all the gas companies will reduce their prices by a
|> token 1 or 2 cents/litre and the boycott will fall apart.  2 or 3 weeks
|> later, the prices will increase to previous levels.

By the sound of a Shell spokesman, I can see this happening.  He wasn't too
concerned about the corporation, but used the argument that it would
hurt the individual operators of service stations.

The car is too important to many people, including myself.  You can't
argue with the fact that in this day and age, a form of personal
transportation as powerful as the car is a necessity.  Maybe someday
public transportation will be prevalent and convenient enough that
this won't be true.  Even the bankruptcy legislation allows you the
use of a car as much as food and clothing.
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From: jim@bnr-rsc.UUCP (Jim Somerville)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Gas Boycott
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:03:46 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Jul24.143833.13012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dragog@bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec) writes:
>Gas prices
>in Europe, I hear, are 3 to 4 times more expensive than here.

Generally speaking, we pay half of what they pay in Europe.
Why?  Maybe because we live so close to the USA, a country that will
go to war to ensure its God given right to cheap gasoline.
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From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Algonquin
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:41:39 GMT

In a message dated Tue 27 Jul 92 23:51, David@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (david Sti
wrote:

 DS> Yes, Algonquin does have a cafeteria, but no, they don't have the pre-
 DS> paid option..

Bummer.

 DS> I think the main reason Carleton has it is due to having on
 DS> campus residences and whatnot...plus Carleton is much bigger....

Hmm.. that might help eh :-)

 DS> Which AC Campus are you looking at?  I was at Woodroffe.  They have a

Rideau.

 DS> main
 DS> cafeteria, and they also have a small stand in the rotunda which
 DS> sells stuff like hotdogs, sandwiches, salads, coffee...etc...

right.  Enough to keep me alive :-)

 DS> The vending machines are
 DS> a killer in price for snacks and pop...

Ya, thats normal.  Hmm.. guess i'll have to see what I can do then.

jammer

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From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: Gas Boycott
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.191551.29047@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dragog@bmerh92.bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec) writes:
|> Just to add, the boycott of Shell will be in effect until Shell can
|> reduce their price by 3 to 8 cents a litre.

I seriously doubt the boycott will work because of the following:

1) Ottawa is the apathy capital of the universe.  Previous boycotts ended
   in dismal failures, so based on the past, I predict the same thing will
   occur.

2) No matter what the gas companies and the the compitition task forces
   say, I believe the gas companies have an under-the-table agreement
   to fix prices within 0.5 cents/litre of each other within particular 
   boundries.  Shell is not going to break that agreement.  

What will happen is that all the gas companies will reduce their prices by a
token 1 or 2 cents/litre and the boycott will fall apart.  2 or 3 weeks
later, the prices will increase to previous levels.

|> --
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|> Communications Systems, Software Development (OSI Protocols)
|> Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of BNR.

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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: adam@cg.emr.ca (eric adam)
Subject: Ottawa <-> Montreal July 24 th
Reply-To: adam@cg.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:10:00 GMT

I'am going to Montreal this weekend,  I will be leaving July 24 th 
around 4-4:30 pm.   I can pick you up from the Booth street complex  ( Dows
Lake) or the bus terminal.  In Montreal I can drop you off at a metro station 
or somewhere in Laval.

If you are interested let me know as soon as possible (3 seats available)
by voice :995-5490 during the day or evenings at 771-4626, or Email
adam@cg.emr.ca


                                                                 Erick ADAM (adam@cg.emr.ca)
From: Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Need a chip shop
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:35:17 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

  I am working on my LUCAS accel and I need a few small parts. Is there
someplace in ottawa that I could get a few small electronics parts without
paying Active's pound of flesh?

  I need some 7474s of different speeds (LS, ALS) and some oscillator
modules, like 12, 16, 18, 20 mhz....

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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Chloramine, the tap water poison
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:32:35 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <rjg.712330112@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
>Does anyone have more details. An activated charcoal filter is the only 
>effective removal agent for chloriamine, as far as I have heard. Distilation
>will not help, someone at the city must have stock in a filter company as
>most of the laboratories in town use distilled water and now have to switch
>to filters.

Aquarium stores have known about this for quite some time, and have information
sheets etc. about the situation.  You should listen to CBC radio - they talked
about this at great length weeks ago.

I don't believe that charcoal will remove chloramine.  The compounds for
removing chlorine that the pet stores sell do remove chloramine.  Ie:
Ammonocarb.

Many aquarium books discuss chloramine.  There are several other ways to
deal with it.

I didn't pay much attention - we're on a well... ;-)
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From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker)
Subject: Re: Looking for reasonable social dance instruction
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: ott
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:14:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.003916.4191@bmers95.bnr.ca> leclercl@bmerh136.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes:
>     My fiance and myself are looking for social dance instruction
>(ie. waltz, swing, rhumba..etc). If you know of any good schools or
>individuals who provide such instruction at reasonable rates, could
>you please send me note.

Check the Learning catalog published by the OBE, and see if you can get
into one of Lou Laviolette's courses.  If you enjoy his teaching, you
can always take private courses from him (the other teacher my wife and
I had was very good too, but Lou's a laugh and a half).

pww
From: parniani@bnr.ca (Amir Parniani)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: RIDE OFFERED TO MONTREAL ON FRIDAY JULY 31st
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:00:51 GMT
Reply-To: parniani@bnr.ca (Amir Parniani)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I'll be leaving to MONTREAL on Friday July 31st around 5:30
to 6:00. If you would like to come let me know, morning: 763-7230
                                                evening: 831-8511
From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:50:17 EST
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)9W"FMk
Distribution: world

Ramesh_Fernando@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Ramesh Fernando) writes:
>involving cars. I always ride on the path along Riverside all the to
>west-end and I have never been involved in a accident. Its a matter of


  Out of curiosity, have you seen any of these '15mph' signs that have been
mentioned a few times?  While I've noticed a lot of 'No Bikes' signs leading
you off into weird directions, I don't think I've ever seen a posted speed-limit.

  I mostly cycle the Ottawa-river trails, from Bayshore to Orleans.
(I live at Lansdown park).

>is.  Many drivers almost seem intent on hitting bicylists. Of course they
>are the ones who have 24 pack of beer every day.

  Not all of them.  I have a very close relative that has it in for
cyclists (Then again, he's an Automechanic, so... ;-).  Any time the topic
comes up, we both end up quite steamed ;-)  Anyways, he doesn't touch
the drink at all ;-)

> Ramesh_Fernando@qube.ocunix.on.ca
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From: marc@fozzi.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Donovan)
Newsgroups: ott.general,sci.med
Subject: Re: To all people who keep fish as pets/whatever
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:38:33 GMT
Organization: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

>Cowan> For those unaware, the regional municipality starts using
>Cowan> chloramine to purify water today - a change from the previously
>Cowan> used chlorine.  Chlormaine is extermely toxic to fish, and even
>				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Cowan> the slightest amount of wtap water entering an aquarium/fish
>Cowan> bowl without first being treated with a chloramine remover
>Cowan> could wipe out your fish.
>
>If chlormaine is that toxic, should there be concern on its long term
>effect on human consumption?
>

I'm curious about that myself... it was my impression that canaries
were used in mines to determine whether the air was safe to breath.
If the canary died, you got the heck out of there!
Now we are faced with the government treating water in such as way as
to make it poisonous to fish.  Does anyone know of any studies done
to determine the long term toxicity of chloramine to humans?  Or is this
yet another case of the government using it's inhabitants as guinea pigs?

Also, how does the government intend to remove the chloramine before 
dumping the used water into the river?  Or were they planning to?

<marc>

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From: farrellj@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Farrel McGovern)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Bicycles vs Cars
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:35:42 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

Hi!
 
   One of my pet peeves is the fact that you can be permitted to drive for 
the rest of you life on the results of one drivers test. Roads, cars, 
driving habits, traffic rules change muchly over a 5 year period, not to 
mention 20-30 years!  I believe that a 5 year periodic re-testing would make 
sure that we have the saftest drivers world-wide.
 
ttyl
     Farrell

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From: cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (D. Cowan (Postmaster))
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: To all people who keep fish as pets/whatever
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:40:50 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

For those unaware, the regional municipality starts using chloramine to 
purify water today - a change from the previously used chlorine.  Chlormaine 
is extermely toxic to fish, and even the slightest amount of wtap water 
entering an aquarium/fish bowl without first being treated with a chloramine 
remover could wipe out your fish.
 

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From: inunn@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: test
Date: 18 Jul 92 10:58:45 EDT
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

test
From: farrellj@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Farrel McGovern)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Gas Boycott
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:20:20 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:

> In article <1992Jul27.132735.25974@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, gwaters@bwdls139.bnr.ca (
> |> In article <1992Jul24.132003.15769@bnr.ca>, dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writ
> |> |> 
> |> |> I seriously doubt the boycott will work because of the following:
> |> |> 
> |> |> 1) Ottawa is the apathy capital of the universe.  Previous boycotts end
> |> |>    in dismal failures, so based on the past, I predict the same thing w
> |> |>    occur.
> |> Sounds like you fit in well in Ottawa.
> 
> Thanks for your opinion.  Whenever you can't say anything useful it's always
> refreshing to resort to personal attacks.  How mature.  Irrespective of what
> you think, I have been quite vocal about prices (not just gasoline but other 
> consumer goods as well) in Ottawa being out of whack with other communities 
> in Ontario.  
> 
> My point was that I perceive that a majority of people in Ottawa can't be 
> bothered.  Why?  Possibly because they earn a comfortable amount of money 
> and don't mind spending an extra $300 a year on gas or an extra $3 for a 
> CD or an extra $250 for a Macintosh computer.  
> 
> Maybe they've got such crowded social lives that they can't spend a precious
> 30 seconds driving to the gas station down the road that sells gas for 2
> cents/litre less.
> 
> I, however, make a point of being cheap.  I will drive to Shoppers City
> East and buy gas where it's currently 55.7 cents/litre instead of paying
> 58.9 cents/litre at the station around the corner from where I live.  
> I will mail-order LaserDiscs from the U.S. for $CDN 30 instead of 
> paying $75 locally for the same title.

 
   Well, for laser disks, I can say that is O.K....but for the Gas...how 
much gas/time does it take to get to Shoppers City East? if it costs a buck 
of gas to get there..well...it ain't so much of a deal after all!
 
ttyl
     Farrell

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