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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:28:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>NT and OS/2 v2.0 are said to be POSIX compliant in the future. There goes
>another advantage of UNIX...

Not necessarily.  "POSIX compliance" can mean "we implemented enough of
some POSIX specs to say that we're POSIX-compliant", which does *not*
necessarily mean "we implemented enough of those POSIX specs that a
significant number of interesting applications should Just Work if you
recompile them".

			POSIX != UNIX
From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD (long)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:37:36 +0100
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <RICH.92Nov4093932@rich.kastle.com> rich@kastle.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:

>In article <1992Nov3.003038.12400@ultb.isc.rit.edu> axi0349@ultb.isc.rit.edu (A.X. Ivasyuk) writes:

>>   papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) wrote:
>>       axi0349@ultb.rit.edu (Anatoly Ivasyuk) wrote:
>>   >  > 1) Unix is case sensitive
>>   [stuff deleted]
>>   >Fine, then it should be like OS/2, which is case perserving but not
>>   >case sensitive.  Therefore the file can be named "myFiLe" but I can
>>   >access it with del myfile.
>>
>>   Hmmm...  Interesting proposal.  What if you have two files: "myFiLe" and
>>   "myfile".  Which of these will "del myfile" delete?

>As far as OS/2 (and AmigaDOS, BTW) goes, only one file matching the
>pattern (unix parlance) [Mm][Yy][Ff][Ii][Ll][Ee] can exist in a
>directory.

Geez, I can't count how often I saved a version of a file by typing
	mv Driver.o Driver.O
	mv source.c source.C

My 2ct:
UNIX doesn't have these "user friendlyness" of DOS, because it isn't DOS
that's user friendly, it's the applications that were written for it.
One OS is no more "user friendly" than the other.

DOS runs on el cheapo hardware (couple-o hundred $s will buy You an AT),
UNIX (at least in the past) did require a somewhat bigger hardware.
So, in the past, just about everyone who could program, wrote something
for DOS.

If these people would change to UNIX, the UNIX surely would win.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: uevans@med.unc.edu (Elizabeth A. Evans)
Subject: scan question
Originator: uevans@cahaba
Keywords: scan mv'ing files
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:13:24 GMT

This isn't really a *Unix* question, but I couldn't decide on a better
newsgroup...

Has anyone figured out a way to write a key definition in scan that
allows a user to tag a set of filenames and then move that tagged set
to an interactively specified subdirectory?  I've looked in the doc
files we got with the distribution and don't see anything that looks
hopeful, but with all the creative energy out here on the net... :-)

Thanks in advance.

-- Libby
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:19:01 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.114310.6436@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>>SCO is much, much more expensive than $300.
>How much is NT projected to cost?

Who said that NT was meeting the requerments of a real OS??? :-) I guess it
can't be much more expensive, it has to compete with OS/2 v2.0, Solaris 2.0,
etc.

>Support and handholding comes free on the net.

The net itself is an expensive 'thing'. Besides, who is going to hold the
stupid user's hand when his newssetup is f*cked up???

>installation, troubleshooting, consulting, and so on.  So you get the
>OS for free and pay a small fee for support.  Competitive, at least.

I agree, however I haven't seen such a service in Europe... yet.

Greetings,
Peter Busser
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 11:34:11 GMT

In <1992Nov6.113324.6348@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>>A short list of DOS applications ported to UNIX:

>SHORT? That's hardly the word, miniscule is even too much... :-)
>[list with *9* apps deleted]

Have you read any UNIX-related magazine ? You will be amazed by the number
of ready to use applications. I've seen a list of hundred applications
available under UNIX.

>>SCO ODT, NEXTOS, Apple A/UX, and SVR4.2 all boot up to a graphical X-11
>>console.

>Wow! ODT uses Motif, NeXT uses NeXTStep, A/UX uses finder and SVR4.2 uses
>OPEN LOOK, I guess. That makes four different UNIXes with four different
>user interfaces. With NT or OS/2 you only need to learn only *1* user
>interface.

Well, where can I find NT ? Can I buy it now ?
If you want 1 user interface just pick one of the choices.
What's so difficult about that ?

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:37:24 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:

>	Before you try to convince people of unix's flaws, I suggest you
>first make sure you have a clue what you're talking about.

Where can I get toll-free support for Linux?

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: jbp61306@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jay Patel)
Subject: Hiding from ps!
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:00:06 GMT

Folks,

We are executingng a process which requires a password to be passed
	as an input. Is there way we can prevent ps from catching
	a  password or that process?? 

Thanx in advance for your response. 

Jay Patel
From: klaus@helsinkiesf.de (Klaus Wicovsky)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: How to handle data from stdin in a sh script
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:23:17 GMT
Reply-To: klaus@helsinkiesf.de (Klaus Wicovsky)
Organization: ESF Headquarters, Berlin, FRG


Here is the problem: I would like to pipe data into a sh script and still be able to interact with the sh script (ask questions to the user). 

Whatever I do, I don't seem to be able to get rid of the "piped" data, i.e. I put something like:

echo -n "Please confirm:"
read conf

and the input stream seems to answer all questions. 

Any ideas?



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From: gab@adpgate.UUCP (Thomas Gabrysch)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Directory tree with pic
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1736
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

I need an example of a directory tree created with the pic
troff processor.

Thanky you,
- Thomas

------------------------------
 Thomas Gabrysch

 adpgate.uucp!adpplz!gab
 adpgate!adpplz!gab@apple.com
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From: mich@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Schuster 8726004 (Dipl Joe))
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:35:01 GMT

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>>Does "del" then have to do a "tolower()" (or equivalent) to the filenames,
>>or does it compare each character of the command target to both cases of
>>each letter of the filename it's looking at?

>As far as I know, the answer to the previous question is:

>	No.

>I.e., I don't think it has to do either one.  The OS calls it makes do
>the equivalent translations, so code that uses those calls doesn't have
>to.

>Presumably the wildcard matching code is also case-insensitive (if it's
>not, somebody screwed up).  (I assume there that the OS provides
>wildcard-matching code, and that applications can, at least, call that
>code to expand wildcard patterns from the command line, rather than
>having to roll their own.  If the OS doesn't provide those calls,
>somebody screwed up.)

You obviously misinterpreted the article you replied to; it's not about
who does the translation (tolower), but that it has to be done AT ALL.
That's the real crux. For every directory lookup (or any dir.
operation, it seems), you have to go through a tolower-loop, etc. A
bloody nuisance, I call it.

Michael
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: bjornw@edb.tih.no (Bjoern Wennberg)
Subject: Re: Where's head?!
Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering, CS-Dept.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 11:09:33 GMT

Juergen Nickelsen (nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote:
: In article <chupchup.720790402@piggy> chupchup@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Robert
: Earl) writes:
: 
: > jamesm@procor.dialogic.com (Mark James) writes:
: > 
: > |                                                   Is there some
: > | hidden functionality in another command that will print out the
: > | first n lines of a file?  Surely I won't have to write my own
: > | head.c?
: > 
: > How about "sed 10q file"?
: 
: That is the right way, but not yet everything, of course. I once wrote
: an sed-based head script for System V (the very Interactive variety,
: indeed). It mimicks the head(1) program as described in the SunOS
: manual page.
: 
: I think it is small enough to post it in comp.unix.questions, but
: alt.sources has to have its share, too. :-)
: 

You could also get the fileutils from GNU which has an implementasion
of head/tail and stuff.

bjornw>
Xref: sparky comp.unix.questions:13094 alt.folklore.computers:15931
From: gdh@calmasd.Prime.COM (Gerald Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Whence Unix? (was Re: IS UNIX DEAD?)
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:08:18 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.questions
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <Bx9vDB.8HI@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>UNIX was designed by hackers for hackers (or by programmers for programmers,
>>I thought Unix was written by Bell as a word-processing system
>>to enable them write their the phone company manuals. 
>I heard that, but I also heard that Thompson's *primary* goal was to
>find a machine for playing Space War.  What's the story?

Yes, UNIX is both a floor wax and a desert topping.  It was originally
writen by programmers for their own use, but the first official funding
was to put it to work as a word processing system (ed and troff!).

Who was it who said they were not sure what would be the "operating
system of the future" but they were pretty sure it would be called
UNIX System V?

-- 
   /
  /	Jerry,	CalmaSD UNIX SysAdmin,	+1 619 587 3065
 /
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?  (long)
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:09:42 GMT

In article <9211030038.47@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1992Oct29.230953.1633@ultb.isc.rit.edu> axi0349@ultb.isc.rit.edu (A.X. Ivasyuk) writes:

>A short list of DOS applications ported to UNIX:

>AMI Pro
>CorelDRAW
>Framemaker
>Wingz

Hm  - wasn't this a Mac application that was ported to DOS then Unix?

>Xtree
>Lotus 123
>WordPerfect

WordPerfect is a DOS application ported to Unix?  Sorry. No cigar.

WordPerfect was a word processor on Data General machines that
was ported to DOS, and then later ported to Unix.

>Grammatik IV
>dBase IV

This - in it's original form, Vulcan, was a data base manager on CPM,
renamed dBase II, and then ported to DOS, and then to Unix.



-- 
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From: WP921000%PACEVM.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu ( RANDIP singh)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: (none)
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:10:33 GMT

guys could somebody send me email addresses for the following :

1. joblistings( for both entry level and experienced candidates.)(is there an
   address from which i can recieve emails of prospective employers without
   having to remote login?)


2. email addresses where resume databases are kept and accessed by prospective
employers( one should be able to mail his/her resume periodically)


thanks in advance
                     wp921000@bitnet
Xref: sparky comp.unix.questions:13385 comp.unix.wizards:4677
From: chet@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Chet Ramey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: REMAPPING KEYS WITHIN BASH/SH
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:22:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In article <BxM2EA.Hyt@cs.dal.ca> franklin@thans.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>It would be wholly to my benefit to be able to remap keys within the
>bash or sh shell, but I'm not quite sure to go about doing this.

Bash supports this.  The readline library, which is used by bash and
certain other Gnu utilities (e.g., gdb), has its own startup file
(~/.inputrc), and a syntax for rebinding keys within it.  Bash also
provides the `bind' builtin to allow keybindings to be changed on
the fly from a shell prompt.

>Can I map Character sequences to the execution of scripts? I don't see
>why not, but I'm not quite sure how I would go about doing this...

Bash allows you to bind keys to `macros', which cause character strings
to be inserted into the text.  You can bind a key sequence to the
equivalent of, for instance, "ls^M" and have that key execute `ls' when
typed on an empty line.

Chet
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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:59:57 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:

>Hey, I'm getting into the rhythm of this.  Let me try:

>Why is it that people who have no idea how to use Unix and who think
>that it should operate at the lowest common denominator keep asking
>stupid questions?

Because there are people who like UNIX and who want to use it in the future
too.

Again, why can't a (suposedly) flexible and powerful system support a novice
user and an expert user at the same time?

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: jns@ace.nas.nasa.gov (John N. Stewart)
Subject: Re: Bourne Shell Programming Considered Harmful
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:20:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.225431*Harald.Eikrem@delab.sintef.no> Harald.Eikrem@delab.sintef.no writes:
>While I cannot say that I entirely enjoy the freehand Perl style, I
>certainly agree that it takes something more than basic *sh languages
>as we've gotten to know them to do "real" programming.  But since you
>mention Makefiles, some of the toughest programming tasks I've ever been
>through has actually been planting and maintaining pieces of Bourne shell
>language into ravel Make configs.
>
>Which really suggests that if someone could come up with a Perl based
>alternative to Make which could understand Perl language itself, the
>programming world should do little but rejoice.


This is a plug :) At LISA VI down in Long Beach, a group of us got
together (thanx to Paul Anderson) and started discussing software
configuration and installation issues. An email list formed, and was
announced over the "net" a couple of weeks back. If you are
interested, I attached information on how to subscribe.


--Ace







  This is to announce a new email list focusing on software
installation and maintenance issues, following the workshop talk of
LISA VI. Those who have received announcements from me already know
that they are on the list, those that haven't should contact me
directly please :)

  TO SUBSCRIBE:

        please send mail to: soft-managers-request@nas.nasa.gov


  TO SEND TO THE LIST

        please send mail to: soft-managers@nas.nasa.gov


Questions may be sent directly to me, and I will begin an FAQ. For
those of you who have not received the notes from the meeting (thanx
to Rob Slater for typing them in!!) please let me know and I will be
sure to send them directly. They have been posted accordingly to
comp.org.usenix

Cheers!
From: freibeu@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: sum -r source/algorithm
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:09:50 +0100
Organization: Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
Summary: I need a source/algorithm description of sum -r
Keywords: checksum computation

Hello Unix-Users!

I would like to implement a similar command as "sum -r" to MS-DOS and was     
wondering if there is an exact description of the used algorithm or even 
a source code.

Please mail suggestions, answers, sources etc directly to me!

Thanks -- Jochen
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:08:11 GMT

>>Sorry, my Unix editor mangled your message.  The case where case
>>sensitivity is useful are SO RARE, and even where it is used, it
>>usually shouldn't be.  
>
>Oh, in our gopher server we use uppercase/lowercase/space as
>part of filenames. Looks better. Why shouldn't I use it.

Exactly...that's why OS/2/system 7/AmigaDOS/ every other OS except
DOS and Windows allow you to have names like "Meeting Summary", but
for all intents and purposes it is "meeting summary."  You can only
have ONE "meeting summary""MEETING SUMMAY""MeEtInG SuMmArY" in a 
directory, but it's confusing to have more then one anyways.  When
you do a "dir" you will see the case of the last one you saved, i.e.
Meeting Summary".
>
>>My question is when is there going
>>to be a version for the PC that comes out of the box graphical, user friendly,
>>and with good support when you get stuck.
>I thought SCO has done a very good job.

Sorry, I don't have $1000.00 and 12MB of RAM to test it out!


Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: A few more quick C questions...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:29:39 GMT

Hi again -

 Thanx to everyone who responded to my read/write question of a few days ago.

 I just have a couple of *quick* C questions:

1) Is there a command to see if a file exists?
   [Can't just use fopen() - it returns NULL for more than one reason...]

2) Is there a command to determine a file's size?
   [I think the data structure pointed to by a FILE contains a ->_cnt feild
    that can be used - I'll try it in a minute...]

3) Is there a command to determine if a user is logged in?
   [I don't want to bother with a system("who | grep user > temp"), etc.]

4) Is there a command to determine if a user is running a certain process?

Thanx again,
Ron
From: chris@neon.rain.com (Chris Perez)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: How do I REALLY setup for 'cu' and 'uucico' use?
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:35:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: neon.BxIxJI.4FD

I'm looking to get my Dell UNIX SVR4 2.2 to 'cu' out through
tty01h.  Yes, I've done lots of work on the files in an attempt
to get it running.  I'm looking to talk with someone at length off-line
about this.

Thanx,

Christopher Perez - chris@neon.rain.com
"Do NOT use this brain.  Abnormal."  The warning Igor ignored...
From: jwc@netx.com (Jeffrey W. Comer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Monitoring /tmp
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:36:53 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele) writes:
>I was wondering if other sites have this kind of problem, where
>students will copy large files into /tmp and leave them their so
>their friends can copy them to their accounts. Their reasoning
>is that this is simpler than setting the files up as public in
>their own accounts, plus it doesn't take away from their quotas.
>I don't like this practice as it fills up /tmp and could possibly
>cause a program requiring legitimate use of /tmp to fail due to
>lack of space. Has anyone got any suggestions on how to prevent
>this sort of abuse of the /tmp directory? I can think of one
>simple solution: A global .logout that executes:
>
>    find /tmp -user $user -exec rm {} \;
>
>but that has some potential problems...

Well you could always reboot every day.... q;-> Seriously, here at my
company we have a cron job called prune that runs once a day. It reads
an input file, into which you can enter filenames (/etc/?tmp for example)
or directories (/tmp). After each name, you can have prune remove a file
if it grows beyond a certain size (in k-bytes) or it hasn't been updated
after x days. It's very effective, except that you can always defeat it
by touching your files.

E-Mail me for details.

And yes, we also have this problem, not just in /tmp, but in ALL filesys-
tems.

-jc
From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: MDBM and PCOMM
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:04:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov14.030417.10953
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Can anyone tell me where I can find the multiple key version of
DBM, known as MDBM? I have the old source to DBM, but it is a few
years old and in need of some update.

Also, I am looking for the Procomm Plus communications package
workalike for UNIX call PCOMM.

Thanks in advance...

...Paul

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From: barnes@eec.umr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: UNIX Clones available on net
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:10:23 GMT


           I am looking for an UNIX clone for the PC (386/486) available
           using FTP.  Some of the products I am aware of are BSD Reno,
           minix and linux.  If someone has experience using these
           products I would appreciate if they would rate which product
           would come closest to a commercial UNIX like (SCO, ULTRIX,
           HP-UX).  Please no flames on these commercial unices.  Maybe
           a list of features and if the product is closer to BSD or
           System V would be great.  If someone also has experience
           using some of the cheaper unices such as coherent and would
           include these products in their rating.  If this information
           is available somewhere on the net I would appreciate a
           pointer.

           Thanks,

           Jym Barnes   barnes@umrgec.eec.umr.edu   192.65.97.1
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,news.software.nntp