HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Sound elimination
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:58:18 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Computer Systems

> In sci.misc Kershner Wyatt writes:
> 
>>I am trying to get any information I can concerning a new method of noise
>>reduction, which I do not know the name of at this time.  It involves
>>sampling the original sound, and playing it back 1/2 wavelength later,
>>in order to create an anti-node at the desired location (no sound). 

The original ANR (Active Noise Reduction) headset was marketed by Bose a
couple years ago. Since then, Telex and David Clark have also come out
with similar headsets. These are widely used in aviation.

Passive noise cancelling headsets were based on using a large amount of
clamping force to get a good seal around the ear. The large clamping force
makes these headsets uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time.

The intent behind the ANR headsets is to use less clamping force, sample
the noise inside the headset with a microphone, and produce an out of
phase signal through a speaker in order to reduce noise. I don't believe
the sound is 1/2 wavelength later, it's syncronized with the wave, but
is exactly out of phase.

In practice, they work very well in situations where low frequency noise
is predominent. I fly helicopters, and frequencies generated by rotors
tend to be a few Hz (13-25 would be typical). The amount of noise
reduction when you turn on the circuit is quite amazing. The headsets are
not very effective on higher frequency sounds, and use the passive
technology to dampen those frequencies.

				Paul Cantrell
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Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: dbsjwb@Edm.Arco.COM (James Bielak)
Subject: Re: Walk on Mercury?
Originator: dbsjwb@doofus
Reply-To: bielak@arco.com
Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:31:30 GMT


In article <1992Jul30.142203.3437@nuchat.sccsi.com>, steve@nuchat.sccsi.com
(Steve Nuchia) writes:
|> Some years ago I saw a photo in National Geographic showing a
|> pool of mercury with two people floating on it.  The article
|> was about some kind of mining operation (Silver?) in which
                                            ^^^^^^^
It was actually about the mercury mines in Spain (Almaden?). The participant(s)
were wearing no special protection, were just sitting in a huge tub of Hg, 
sinking in at the butt maybe 3-4 inches.... 

Wonder if they're still around?

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From: rhatcher@fnala.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: How to improve the cost, timeliness and delivery ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:47:09 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab


 In regards to the survey entitled "How to improve the..."  I (and others)
 would recommend that people NOT respond until further explainations are
 forthcoming on:

1) who views the raw and compiled results.
  a) Internet resources are being used, the net as a whole should partially
     benefit.  Boston Consulting is not a non-profit organization and
     should give back to the community at least something.  
  b) privacy issues arise -- to me it appeared to be a marketting survey;
     which could be used to create a nice junk (e-)mail list.  I'd like
     assurances that this is not the case.
2) I'd like a more complete explaination of how this survey would "improve
   the speed, timeliness, etc..." of electornic information dissemination.

-robert

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Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Whale killing - other animals
Keywords: disgusting
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.124428@sicsun.epfl.ch> dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF) writes:
>Yesterday I read in my Dutch newspaper (NRC/Handelsblad) that an
>initiative has led to the collection of 2,500,000 signatures from 63
>countries agaist Spanish bullfights, and that these have been offered to
>some Spanish representative.

Isn't this attempting to impose your culture on someone else?
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From: dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Whale killing - other animals
Keywords: disgusting
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:44:28 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Last week or so when someone started the discussion about the Norwegian
"scientific" need for killing whales, someone else responded by asking
why against whale killing and not against other "pleasures".
Yesterday I read in my Dutch newspaper (NRC/Handelsblad) that an
initiative has led to the collection of 2,500,000 signatures from 63
countries agaist Spanish bullfights, and that these have been offered to
some Spanish representative.
Unfortunately, I have missed this initiative, else it would be 2,500,001.
All the best,
Hans

PS, if this doesn't work, could we brainstorm about the scientific need
for killing matadors? One a day would be perfect.

Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert)
Subject: (where) Is this newsgroup backup'ed ?
Keywords: Backup, ftp, listserv
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Constance
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:33:35 GMT

Hi all,

the subject says it: Is the newsgroup sci.misc backup'ed on a ftp-server
or a listserv ?

Thanx for info.
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From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Walk on Mercury?
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:43:10 GMT
Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK

In article <1992Jul29.144611.23703@access.usask.ca> goldie@herald.usask.ca (Hugh Goldie) writes:

>If your swimming pool was filled with mercury, could you walk on it?  (What 
>would happen if you tried it?)

You would fall over.  Your center of balance would be above your
center of boyancy and there would be no friction to help you keep your
feet under you.

Paul.


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From: dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Whale killing - other animals
Keywords: disgusting
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:36:12 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Jul28.184456.2733@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.124428@sicsun.epfl.ch> dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF) writes:
|> >Yesterday I read in my Dutch newspaper (NRC/Handelsblad) that an
|> >initiative has led to the collection of 2,500,000 signatures from 63
|> >countries agaist Spanish bullfights, and that these have been offered to
|> >some Spanish representative.
|> 
|> Isn't this attempting to impose your culture on someone else?
|> --

Yep, so what (apart from the fact that many Spanish people don't like it
themselves). Like "intellectuals" (I hate this word) should take their
responsability in TRYING to suppress stupid habits in their own country,
there exists the same responsability between countries. Of course, I am
sometimes too optimistic, look only what happens in Turkey, the most
disgusting country in the NATO, to people instead of to just animals.
What a shame, and that's only one example.

Also, responding to the reply from Frommert who started this discussion
and who wants to keep a special status for whales because of their
intelligence in contrast to bulls: I think that mankind, after I don't
know how many millennia of intellectual evolution (don't laugh, I know it
is ridiculous), has to decide to respect nature and to keep their hands off
all animals including their biotopes. The question is then where to put
the limit if any: for example, horses may be more intelligent than cows
and are not consumed in many countries, but there are at least no horse-
fights as far as I know and the killing is hidden away in slaughterhouses.

I don't want to continue this discussion because of the many political
and cultural aspects involved, not to speak off ethical aspects. Apart
from intelligence, which I don't accept as the only valid argument, there
are no reasons to kill whales. All products have substitutes now, and
they can eat as much krill as they want, whatever the consequences for
our fishing industry. And if the Norwegian government is fooled by the
industrial lobby, we have also to attack that industry: boycott!
  
Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: dsk@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daniel Katz)
Subject: Whales blowing rings
Reply-To: dsk@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:20:23 GMT

I was at the aquarium/oceanarium in Chicago last weekend, and noticed that
the two Beluga whales in a large tank were doing something rather strange.

They were just breaking the surface from underwater, collecting a small bit
of air, and blowing it under water into perfect rings (similar to smoke rings.)
After the rings spun and grew and moved a bit, the whales would swim down and
bite part of the ring, or try to swim through it, until it collapsed.  Then
they went back to the surface, and did it again.

A staff member there told me that the whales had just started this within the
last month, and the staff had no idea why they were doing it.

Is this common behaviour of whales in captivity, or in the wild?  Does it
serve a function?  Do other animals play in a manner similar to this?

Thanks for any information,
Dan
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Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, 60208                E pur si muove
Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: kriz@seq.uncwil.edu (kriz)
Subject: need info on good colleges for genetic studies
Summary: looking for good schools for studying genetics
Keywords: genetics, colleges
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:06:34 GMT


A friend of mine is interested in studying genetics when he goes
to college.  Does anyone know which schools are the best for this
area of study?  Info on programs and graduate studies would be
greatly appreciated.  E-mail or post replies.

Thanks heaps,
kriz

-- 
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"It's like Sizzler opened a hospital!" 

Xref: sparky sci.misc:1409 sci.physics:11933
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.misc,sci.physics
Subject: Re: Is Positronium an atom?
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

pk03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Karol) writes:

>Are there other such misfits that don't get placed on the Periodic
>Table?  Plenty.  An anti-atom won't be there, such as an
>antiproton+antielectron=antihydrogen atom.  There are also muonium
>'atoms' with a (positive) muon and an electron, and other combinations
>as well.  The Periodic Table (in any of its hundred odd forms) is
>supposed to be a visual guide to chemical (electronic) behavior.  These
>exotic species have chemical behavior that's interesting, but scientists
>working with them don't need a table of all the usual elements to remind
>them of how it all fits together.  And the usual readers of the Periodic
>Table are rarely interested in atoms outside the conventional collection.

They could at least include a footnote of some type.  The result of not
doing so, is generations(?) of chemistry students (school chem. not university
level chem) go away thinking atoms
are the units of the elements listed in the Periodic Table. 

>Paul J. Karol
>Nuclear Chemist
>(and occassional positronium user)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Lightning
From: hbg6@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch)
Date: 19 Jul 92 13:08:38 GMT
Distribution: sci.misc, sci.physics, sci.geo.meteorology
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.

<1240@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> petro@server.uwindsor.ca (PETRO DAVID) writes:
>Does lightning originate from the ground or the sky?

All three.  :-)

Some bolts originate in the clouds, some originate on the ground and
some meet in the middle some place. The polarity is detectable at
great distances given suitable electronic equipment. I do not know
what physical properties of the storm would cause it to go one way
or the other.

John


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From: brian@audiofax.com (Brian Troxell)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Whale killing - other animals
Keywords: disgusting
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:48:13 GMT
Organization: AudioFAX, Inc., Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Jul30.124816@sicsun.epfl.ch> dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF) writes:
...
>put the limit. We pretend living in a civilized society (recall Turkey...)
							 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...

Oh, geez. I hope Mutlu isn't reading this...
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From: lev@ipxed5.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Lightning
Date: 20 Jul 92 14:47:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: suned1.20786
Distribution: sci.misc, sci.physics, sci.geo.meteorology
Organization: NSWSES, Port Hueneme, CA

In article <1240@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> petro@server.uwindsor.ca (PETRO DAVID              ) writes:
>Here is a question that someone asked me that I wasn't too sure of the answer.
>
>Does lightning originate from the ground or the sky?
>

Lightning is the flow of electrons through the air at the point of
higest differential between two static charges.  The charged masses
may be either two disaperate masses of air or the solid surface
of the planet beneath.  Since electrons are the free moving
portion of the atomic structure, and electrons are negatively
charged, we say electricity flows from the negative pole to
the positive.  Therefore, lightning can come from the ground
to the sky or from the sky to the ground depending entirely
on the location of the negative sum charge.  

From some reading I have done on lightning a strike, when
slowed by a highspeed camera, is shown to go from ground to sky
then from sky to ground in the same visible strike. 
The supportable theory here is that the initial strike
results in enough of a change that the receiving end becomes
more negative than the originating end.	When this happens a
weaker strike occurs following the same ionized path as the
first strike back to the originating point.

This "oscillation" continues until the blance of energy is
low enough that the ionized path cannot be maintained.

I read once that more than 1 million amps ( i don't remember the
exact number quoted) flows between the earth's surface and the
atmosphere every minute of every day.



ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!





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Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert)
Subject: Re: VAAGE-WHALE-HUNTING
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Constance
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:56:07 GMT

mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard) writes:

>YES, I live in Norway! 
>NO, I don't kill whales or other human beings! 

If, in addition, you are against your country's, i.e. government's, whale
policy, then I think nobody has anything against you. This would include
not to take any profit from whale killing, and not to consume anything
made from whales.

>EMOTIONAL reactions are human, 
>IGNORANCE is human, too.
 ^^^^^^^^^ 
so you prove that those officials who decided to kill whales are human.
Also making the fiction that there are "scientific" reasons for killing
whales seems to be human.

>A recent article in New Scientist should be of great interest.
>It says something about the complex ecology in which the vaage-whale is a
>very major consumer of fish, competing with much more extinct whales. I 
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, not with whales but your fishing industries, is probably one of the 
*economic* reasons why your officials decided to kill them, besides that
they are hunted to be eaten.

>guess the scientists got their data through divine intuition...

Could someone please post in which issue ?

>A UN-convoi is stuck in a mine-field in Jugoslavia, which means that about
>70 000 people are not getting their food/medicines. If people will boycot
>Norwegian food etc. we could maybe give it to these people?

The main purpose of a boycott would be to urge your officials to stop
whale killing. Do you see any other way to achieve this ?

Of course, your country, as well as all others, should support the people in 
Bosnia etc. with food and medicines. But I think that has nothing to do with 
the whale issue.
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From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Whale killing for "science" -- so for what?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:09:50
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: ewright@convex.com's message of Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:48:59 GMT

In article <ewright.712000139@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:


   In <STEINLY.92Jul20184606@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:

   >>From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)

   Interesting how all of the people quoting one another here and
   supporting Norway's war against the whales seem to have Scandinavian
   sounding names. 

Maybe it is because your self-righteous posturing actually affects
people we know directly, and I at least resent misdirected yuppie
guilt being alleviated by tokenistic moralising over an issue so
thoroughly prejudged. 

 I wonder... if one Norwegian died for every
   whale, would they feel the same way?

??? I don't know what you're getting at, would you
feel differently if a human died for every carrot you ate?


   >I refer to an article in New Scientist on 29 October 1988, pp.46-47,
   >by Dr. Margaret Klinowska, described as a member of the "IUCN Species
   >Survival Commission Cetacean Specialist Group". I quote:

   Could identify the "IUCN" for us, please?  (Why would I not
   be surprised to find out it's a whaling group?)

It's an agency of the World Conservation Union, as far as I know
it has nothing to do with whaling per se. Why don't you provide 
your own facts - or are you permanently set in prejudice?

What gives you the right to impose your moral standards on others?

If you want to continue this, take it to talk.env or soc.culture.nordic
 - it was the German "cannibal" who wanted redirects to sci.misc...

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Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard)
Subject:  VAAGE-WHALE-HUNTING
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:40:37 GMT

YES, I live in Norway! 
NO, I don't kill whales or other human beings! 

EMOTIONAL reactions are human, 
IGNORANCE is human, too.

A recent article in New Scientist should be of great interest.
It says something about the complex ecology in which the vaage-whale is a
very major consumer of fish, competing with much more extinct whales. I 
guess the scientists got their data through divine intuition...

A UN-convoi is stuck in a mine-field in Jugoslavia, which means that about
70 000 people are not getting their food/medicines. If people will boycot
Norwegian food etc. we could maybe give it to these people?


Newsgroups: sci.misc,sci.space
From: phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert)
Subject: Re: Whale killing for "science" -- so for what?
Keywords: Whales, whale killing
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Constance
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:50:39 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>In article <phfrom.174@nyx.uni-konstanz.de> phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert) writes:
>>Contributions to these magazines are usually written by serious scientists.
>>So having a language, well-developed social behavior, etc. are not 
>>manifestations of intelligence.

>Communicating with one another is not a language, and reacting to the actions
>of one another is not "social behavior" in the sense that humans have social
>behavior.  Otherwise, computers and ants are intelligent.

Please, leave this discussion on sci.misc for the future. 

As a response to your statement I mention that I only listed few examples
for the manifestation of the intelligence of whales. As was stated on 
sci.misc in the meantime, even the weight ratio brain/body is similar to
human (!) for dolphins and orcas. 

FYI: The language of whales is based on sound (I think infra sound) and in 
     the case of dolphins sufficiently developed so that they can communicate
     even without sight contact, and over larger distances. Covering the eyes
     of one dolphin and giving optical signals to a second is communicated to
     the first so that s/hecan react appropriately. Also think of the
     "songs of the whales" -- some people compare it to culture/art.

Everybody who wants may read one of the books on the social behavior of 
whales, so that I don't give details here.

[remark on Galileo deleted]

Hope this clears some facts.
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 Phone: +49-(0)7531-88-3747   | + Whales R intelligent. Whale killers not.  +
+ Whale killing is murder. Eating whales is cannibalism. Eat whale killers. +