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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Quality of _Bicycle Guide_ (was Re: _Bicycling_ Issue Wanted)
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:19:05 GMT
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Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <1993Jan27.141422.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.165607.21010@novell.com>, chandler@wc.novell.com
> (Mark Chandler) writes:
>
>> BTW, does anyone else feel that BICYCLE GUIDE has "lost it" since they've
>> moved the editorial offices to Southern California.  In the latest issue,
>> most of the articles are only two pages long (counting photos).  The
>> "$700 Suspension Bike Shootout" is an obvious exception, but the article
>> about the border cops who patrol on mountain bikes hardly warranted three
>> pages.
>-- 
>I've seen a few decent articles, particularly the one in the last issue
>regarding Schwinn; however, I have to agree that I miss the old writers.
>Ever since Costantino quit over a year ago, the original writers began
>to disappear.  It's kind of odd that only the two writers hired this last
>year continued on after the "coup."  I know most people probably don't
>care one way or the other, but does anyone know what went on with the
>magazine?  Did it have something to do with being absorbed by _Winning_?

Did it?  Yes.  Constantino left, Keith Mills left while the getting
was good, Roosa left, etc.  The mag was in bad shape financially
(big article in BICYCLE RETAILER & INDUSTRY NEWS about it a while
back), so they had to sell.  When they got bought, it was cost-saving
time.  It won't suprise me if Ed Carmen leaves (define "leaves" however
you want).  I think we'll see them achieve BICYCLING's laughing-stock
status RSN.

What's really a shame is that many of the writers got so burned-out by
the whole affair that we may lose them as cycling journalists forever.
THAT, would bother me more than BICYCLE GUIDE's demise.

>Curt Vaughan
>Email: ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu


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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 18:34:25 MST
From: <ASLXG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: ATB seatpost & stem WANTED

I'm looking for USED or otherwise inexpensive, medium quality
stuff.  I need a 26.8 dia 350 or so mm seatpost, like a SR
Tall Cool One or similar.  Also a 130-150mm stem, with more
rise than usual (maybe 20 deg?).  I could go to a bike shop,
but that would violate my principles.  I like the illusion
of REALLY SAVING BIG BUCKS!  E-mail your offers.

Larry Gottlob
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From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Is there a list of '93 bikes?
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:55:00 GMT

In article <2310@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, scot+@pitt.edu (Scot Catlin) writes:
|> Hi all,
|> 
|> 	I'm not real familiar with this news group.  Does a list exist that
|> lists all '93 bikes, their prices, and specs?  I'm asking for a friend.  If
|> you can send me this list, mail me.  Thanks in advance for any help.
|> 
|> 
|> 				Scot


Just pick up this month's issue of Bicycling magazine.  It is there 
annual buyer's guide issue.  There are over a 1000 bikes listed with 
specs on price, components, frame material, (and something else that 
I forget).  It includes 12 categories of bikes (ie mountain-rigid, 
mountain-front suspension, road, touring etc).

It is well worth a read.


Cheers...Stuart
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From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Subject: Re: Is there a list of '93 bikes?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:11:15 GMT

> >   Just pick up this month's issue of Bicycling magazine.  It is there 
> >   annual buyer's guide issue.  There are over a 1000 bikes listed with 
> >   specs on price, components, frame material, (and something else that 
> >   I forget).  It includes 12 categories of bikes (ie mountain-rigid, 
> >   mountain-front suspension, road, touring etc).
> >
> >   It is well worth a read.

  Actually, I didn't find much new info in there.  
  It was only worth a 5 minute scan.

  b
From: Milleraw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Andrew Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: ROLLERS.  Which ones?  Krietler, American Classic, Mc Clain . . . . .
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:42:54 GMT
Organization: Drexel University (Composite Mechanics Lab)
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:43:38 GMT
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Does anyone have any recommendation on which rollers to buy.  Right now I
am considering the following manufacturers.
->		Krietler
->		American Classic
->		Mc Clain  [ New company? ]
I plan on keeping these rollers until I get too old to ride (this may not
happen).  Therefore, I have no problem with spending the extra mula for
quality equipement.
Any recommendations?	
Thanks   :-)
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: _Bicycling_ Issue Wanted
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:16:55 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1993Jan27.165607.21010@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>BTW, does anyone else feel that BICYCLE GUIDE has "lost it" since they've
>moved the editorial offices to Southern California.  In the latest issue,
>most of the articles are only two pages long (counting photos).  The
>"$700 Suspension Bike Shootout" is an obvious exception, but the article
>about the border cops who patrol on mountain bikes hardly warranted three
>pages.

Yes, that issue was pretty content-free.  If it continues, I'm going to
drop my subscription when it expires.



Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Marketing gripes (esp. Shimano)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:21:57 GMT

ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>Is Shimano planning to phase out standard downtube shifters on road bikes?
>Almost all of the new model bikes equipped with Ultegra or DuraAce are sporting
>STI.  I suppose STI has its benefits for racing, but for commuting, club,
>and recreational riding I would appreciate good ole downtube shifters.  They're
>cheaper, lighter, have a friction option, and are easier to fix or replace.

Bar-end shifters are great and are nearly as convenient to use as STI with
none of the negatives.  Putting STI in bikes has really raised the price too.
I've riddent the road STI and liked it but there's just too many negatives
for me.

>1. Who was complaining about round chain rings?
Nobody.
>2. Who was complaining about thumb shifters?
Nobody.
>3. Who was unsatisfied with the DX gruppo?
Nobody.
>4. In an already overpriced market, why replace standard DuraAce with a
>   product having less options, more weight, and _far_ greater price?

Because otherwise people won't spend money on the latest thing.

>... and as long as I'm being bitchy, how much longer will I have the option
>of buying a quality mountain bike without shock absorbers all over it?
>I'm sure they're useful for downhill mtb racers, but the average joe is
>presented with more weight, more complexity, and higher purchase and
>maintenance costs.  Geez, I can't even buy a good cycling rag anymore to
>let me know about a market out of control!

Velo-News is about the only thing out there that hasn't completely caved in
to advertisers.  Bicycle Guide is a now a bad joke as far as reviews go.
You can always try the alternative mags like Dirt Rag for mountain bikes
or Crosswords for hybrids.  Too bad there's not an alternative mag for road
bikes.  Hmmmm, not that`s an idea....
-Terry
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Night Sun Problems?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:48:47 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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ledzep@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (carl.w.muhlhausen) writes:
> Has anyone experienced problems with the low wattage Night
> Sun bulbs? I bought my Night Sun in November, and while I'm
> pleased with the overall way it works, I've had very poor
> luck with the low wattage bulbs.
> 
> The first one blew after about twenty hours after I went over
> a slight bump. The replacement blew after about a half hour.
> At $13 a pop this is getting expensive. I appreciate any advice
> or shared experiences people might have.
> 
> I called Night Sun after the first one blew and they were not very
> helpful. The guy I spoke to said they couldn't guarantee bulbs
> because they had no way of telling how long they'd been used,
> which I understand. He also said they knew the failure rate
> was unpredictable and they expected the customer to assume this
> risk. I think this is a pretty sh***ty attitude for a company
> selling "the world's best bicycle light" (and also the world's
> most expensive bicycle light).
> 


        If your NightSun is a twelve volt system then I recommend 
keeping the battery and the charger, throwing out the rest and 
building the Arnie Berger Ultimate Homebrew Lighting System. :-)

                                                             Arnie
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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Road Cranks with a Granny Gear
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:44:43 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <SCHENG.93Jan26113715@bcarh886.bnr.ca> scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng) writes:
>
>The Mavic 631 crankset is expensive (cheaper than Record) but it comes
>in 165 and takes a granny with a special adapter (631-008). You will
>have to order the adapter through your local bike shop but the crank
>itself is available by mail order through several companies. Excel is
>the cheapest though I don't know who stocks a 165mm. Very pretty
>crank. Prettier than the Record IMHO.

From what I've read, the Mavic adaptor takes inner (granny) rings with a
non-standard bolt circle (I don't know what it is, but the smallest you'll
get has 30 teeth instead of 24t for standard ATB cranks).  This means that
Mavic is likely to be the only source for replacement rings, and while
they're much less likely to discontinue something than Shimano, they're
also a tiny company and anything could happen.

Otherwise, it is a beautiful crank.
-- 
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Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
RAAM in '93?		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 09:01:39 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Is there a list of '93 bikes?

Yes, see the latest BICYCLING magazine this month!  Has a listing of the
1993 road and mountain bikes.
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From: RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal)
Subject: Re: Click Shifting vs. Friction Shifting
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:26:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.154336.20644@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
emumford@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eric Mumford) writes:
 
>Anyway.  I have friction shifting, and was wondering what the advantage of
>click-shifting is over friction.  My friend has clickers on his bike, but he
>has problems with them every now and then.  Would it be worth it to make the
>switch, or is it simply a matter of personal opinion?  Thanks..
 
Basically, you need compatible shifters, freewheel (or freehub/cassette)
and rear derailleur.  I'm quite sold on indexing, though it seems to come
and go in vogue, so you'll probably get mixed responses.  I found it far
faster and more accurate to use indexed shifters - I felt it was easier
to go faster and/or climb more efficiently 'cause the right gear was just
a quick click or two away.  I found that I shifted more often, making
better use of the full range of gears than I used to while friction
shifting.  The setup I had only very rarely would miss a shift - it was
dead accurate.
 
If you're considering an upgrade to indexing, drop me a line as I am just
now freeing up shifters and a Shimano freewheel that might work well for
you.  I am keeping the 600/Ultegra rear derailleur though.  I'll make you
a good deal on the shifters/freewheel...
 
 
Randy O'Neal                         "The above views are mine alone,
RONEAL@lexmark.com                    though they can be yours too for
Printer Attach Software Development   a nominal fee..."            __o
Lexmark International, Inc.                                       `\<,
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 16:11:30 MST
From: <ASLXG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: 63.5 cm frame FOR SALE

Motobecane (1983) handmade "stage racing" frame, Columbus SL/SP
63.5 cm c-t, 60.5 cm top tube, 74/72 angles, Cinelli BB shell and
fork crown, all braze-ons (1 bottle and no pump peg).  40.5" wheelbase,
Normal/short reach brakes (recessed bolt).  French threads.  Includes
Campy NR bb, hs, and sp.  Never raced or crashed.  This has been my
second bike and has low mileage - a little too big for me.

$100 plus shipping.  Email or call 602-964-1587.

Larry Gottlob
From: kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca (Keiji Kanazawa)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Bicycle Guide (was: Bicycling_ Issue Wanted)
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:22:09 GMT
Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science
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In-reply-to: chandler@wc.novell.com's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:56:07 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.165607.21010@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:


   BTW, does anyone else feel that BICYCLE GUIDE has "lost it" since they've
   moved the editorial offices to Southern California.  In the latest issue,
   most of the articles are only two pages long (counting photos).  The
   "$700 Suspension Bike Shootout" is an obvious exception, but the article
   about the border cops who patrol on mountain bikes hardly warranted three
   pages.

Yes.  I'm hoping that the 1993 buyer's guide will be up to par, but
beyond that, it doesn't seem to be worth it.

By the way, does anybody know when _The Bike_ comes out?  Or has it
started appearing already?  From my understanding, Doug Roosa, for one,
has moved to this alleged new magazine.

--

Keiji Kanazawa
kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca
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From: dgi@pyuxe.uucp (25493-iveson)
Subject: NISHIKI bike frame for sale
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: northeast
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:49:13 GMT
Followup-To: person named in post
Keywords: nishiki frame



POSTING FOR A FRIEND, PLEASE CALL HIM IF INTERESTED
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

FOR SALE: Brand New NISHIKI Altron bike frame

          specifics: Prestige chrome moly tubing
                     bottle cage braze ons
                     56 cm
                     Dayglo Yellow

           Asking: $450.00

If interested call: Brian Culp at (908)699-6684
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From: JCIERVO@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Joseph P Ciervo)
Subject: Re: '93 Univega Aplina Sport 
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:25:23 GMT
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In <C1BHEz.4v1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> edg@sage.cc.purdue.edu writes:

> Has anybody out there heard anything about the '93
> Univega Alpina Sport?  I'm thinking of buying one,
> but the $525 list price seems too good for an LX
> bike.  Why are Univegas priced so low, anyway?
> Are they really a good deal or just cheaply made?
> Please E-Mail your thoughts.  Thanks in advance.
> -------------ED


	Next month's (Feb) issue of bicycling is going to have an article
about it as a best buy.
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Road Cranks with a Granny Gear
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:08:33 GMT
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In-reply-to: berliner@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:00:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.220025.3366@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> berliner@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BERLINER MARTIN) writes:

    I am looking for a crankset that is drilled for road rings and will also
   allow the addition of a granny gear (in a pinch a MTB crankset will do but
   I am suspect of the strength of a 53 ring drilled for the smaller bolt
   circles.)  What is available here?  And one other thing; the cranks have
   to come in 165 mm lengths.

My bike came with Shimano RX100 components, which are road components,
with an optional triple crank (52-42-30 in my case).  Who knows how
durable they'll prove (they're Shimano's lowest end road, as opposed to
hybrid, group), but based on the very little outside riding, and riding
on a trainer, they seem fine.

I don't know about the 165 mm cranks, though.
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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Road Cranks with a Granny Gear
Keywords: Cranks, Granny
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:58:35 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <49085@ogicse.ogi.edu> milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl) writes:
>
> [T.A. stuff deleted]
>
>Oh wow, a blast from the past.  The only person I know of with a TA is
>me.  I have a TA cyclotourist triple that is about 10 years old.
>TA used to make chain rings from 24 to about 65 in one tooth increments
>(which why I bought it).  BTW I have it one my Cannondale criterium
>frameset now with a 54-43-39, works great.  Anyone in the states
>know where you can get new rings?

Cyclo Pedia (check the FAQ for their #) should have these.  They have
most (if not all) of the T.A. spares.

>milt scholl


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Mark Chandler              Novell, Inc.         510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com     Walnut Creek, CA     AOL: Crosswords
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   The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Marketing gripes (esp. Shimano)
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:01:05 CST
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: maroon.cc.utexas.edu

Is Shimano planning to phase out standard downtube shifters on road bikes?
Almost all of the new model bikes equipped with Ultegra or DuraAce are sporting
STI.  I suppose STI has its benefits for racing, but for commuting, club,
and recreational riding I would appreciate good ole downtube shifters.  They're
cheaper, lighter, have a friction option, and are easier to fix or replace.
Bicycle componentry seems to be headed the way of American beer: different
labels for the same overpriced product.  Who does marketing research for
Shimano?  Do they bother to poll the people who buy the products at all?
It would seem not.  We've been treated to egg-shaped chain rings, heavy
push-push shifters on mtb's with no friction option, a phasing out of the
reliable and reasonably priced Deore DX gruppo, and now the disappearance
of the downtube shifters on road bikes.  I would pose three questions to
Shimano marketers:

1. Who was complaining about round chain rings?
2. Who was complaining about thumb shifters?
3. Who was unsatisfied with the DX gruppo?
4. In an already overpriced market, why replace standard DuraAce with a
   product having less options, more weight, and _far_ greater price?

... and as long as I'm being bitchy, how much longer will I have the option
of buying a quality mountain bike without shock absorbers all over it?
I'm sure they're useful for downhill mtb racers, but the average joe is
presented with more weight, more complexity, and higher purchase and
maintenance costs.  Geez, I can't even buy a good cycling rag anymore to
let me know about a market out of control!
-
Curt Vaughan
Email: ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
From: mike@flipper.csd.harris.com (Mike Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Takara MTB
Keywords: Takara
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: mike@flipper.csd.harris.com (Mike Thomas)
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale, FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: flipper.csd.harris.com

Has anyone ever heard of this brand? Someone is selling one locally.
I can't find any references to it. The seller was unable to tell me
much about it (model etc) other than it has Shimano Exage ?? 
components and that he bought it used last July. Anyway, he is 
asking $250 for it, and I was wondering if this is even worth going
to take a look at. He claims it is in perfect functional condition.
(Well, there are no _mountains_ in in S.Fla.) Thanks for you help!

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Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:10:53 -0500 
From: Sean Stewart Corbin <sc66+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 4 SALE: 58cm Colnago



    Fellow cyclists:  Don't pass up this opportunity!  I'm selling my
brand new Colnago racing bike.  I have only used it 4 or 5 times, and it
has never been wrecked or damaged...so it's in show room condition.   
The Columbus SL tubed frame is white and green and is in literally
perfect condition.  The bike is equiped w/Campagnolo Athena components. 
Here are some specs:

            Frame..................58cm  c/c
            Crank Arms.............180mm  c/c
            Front Sprocket.........53/42
            Rear Sprocket..........24/21/19/17/15/14/13   
            Handle Bars............40cm  e/e
            
     The wheels are built with Campy Athena hubs and FIR rims; 700x22mm
clincher tires are included, but smaller tires could be used if
necessary.  The forks and chainstay are both chromed.  I paid $1400.00
for the bike 7 months ago, so I'm willing to let it go for around
$1000.00.  If you're interested or would like to know more about it,
e-mail me (sc66@andrew.cmu.edu), or call me at (412) 268-4623.  If
nobody's here, just leave a message and I'll get back to you.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Sean Corbin   

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