From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-14-92) & picks
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:04:37 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <BxtrsD.47I@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
> Here's the bowl rundown as I know it:  Michigan clinched the Rose Bowl
> berth with its pathetic tie against Illinois.  Ohio State apparently clinched
> the second-place Citrus Bowl bid by winning at IU, though it could still
> finish third (I don't quite understand this one yet).  Michigan State can

	If a lower finishing team has at least 8 wins, the Citrus can choose
them instead of the 2nd place team.
	Remember that UCLA won the Pac-10 with a 6-4-1 record back in 1983(?)
after losing it's first four games.  It then went on to humiliate Illinois in
the Rose Bowl....

> clinch the third-place Holiday Bowl bid by winning at Illinois Saturday.
> If the Spartans lose, and Iowa wins at Minnesota, Iowa gets the Holiday
> bid with a 6-6 record.  So much for an escape clause (I suspect some
> Big Ten heavies put on an intimidation exhibition this weekend in San
> Diego).  If the Spartans lose *and* Iowa loses, Illinois gets the Holiday
> bid.  I'm sure this will happen since Illinois has gotten every other break
> this season.

	:)

>  Illinois could also be in line for an at-large berth with the
> Independence or Freedom Bowls if it wins but doesn't get to go to San Diego.
> I would think Iowa might as well, if the Hawkeyes win.  Plus, wouldn't you
> think it proper that Wisconsin got an at-large bid somewhere if these other
> three pretenders get one?  I mean, the Badgers are the only one of the four
> that's scored more points than it has given up this year!!!  Please refer to

	I don't think anyone else but the top three will go bowling.  There are
simply too many 8-3/7-4 teams floating around.

> the standings below if you don't believe me.  Indiana is probably hanging
> by the bowl thread at 5-5, with no discernible advantage over the other four.
> Actually, I think all five of them should remain home this year to prevent
> further embarassment.  Does anyone besides me think that the Big Ten
> deserves more than two post-season slots this year?  Purdue, Northwestern,

	OSU and Michigan will play good bowl games.  Anyone else who goes will
simply make the Enormous Eleven look like the Euthanized Eleven.

> and Minnesota get equal billing for the Toilet Bowl this season, as
> expected...  And let's not forget Penn State, which will rake in a cool
> million or two from the Blockbuster video folks with a likely 7-4 record.
> Hot damn!

	The way Penn State has been playing...could be 6-5.  Also, Northwestern
and Purdue both played well in a couple of games this year.  Minnesota
definately gets the flush, though.

> Kottmann
		(4-0 in the games I picked, had already seen too much of
Mich-Ill & Penn State.)

> 	probably decided that UM was ripe for the picking and played them
> 	nose-to-nose, and it was Michigan that needed a FG with 16 seconds
> 	left just to achieve the tie.  What you saw during the first half,
> 	and what you saw in Illinois' EASY TD drive to go up 22-19, just
> 	didn't jive.  We should have all been tipped off two weeks ago
> 	when Michigan had to struggle to win at Purdue.  Even the one
> 	"good" team in this otherwise dismal conference is overblown.  I'm
> 	sure the Rose Bowl folks are real "happy" these days.  They may even
> 	be "happier" after this Saturday when Michigan loses at Ohio State.

        Michigan hs no depth.  It's showing up now at the end of the season as
people wear down.  OSU, however, has excellent depth and is hitting it's
stride.  Look for OSU to win 35-24.

> 	One caveat - someone, please someone, tell me why Moeller would
> 	choose to go for two when ahead 19-15?  What does 21-15 get you
> 	that 20-15 doesn't?

        A missed conversion (by Ill) get's you the tie instead of the loss. 
Maybe Moeller likes ties.  Still qualifies as "undefeated" :).

>                CONF CONF CONF   CONF   ALL  ALL  ALL     ALL   PF   PA
>                WINS LOSS TIES    PCT   WINS LOSS TIES    PCT
>                ---- ---- ----  -----   ---- ---- ----   ----  ---  ---
> MICHIGAN          6    0    1   .929      8    0    2   .900  380  127
> OHIO STATE        5    2    0   .714      8    2    0   .800  244  124

        Hey!  We have as many wins as Michigan :).  And look, a better defense,
too!

> MICHIGAN STATE    5    2    0   .714      5    5    0   .500  228  247
> IOWA              4    3    0   .571      5    6    0   .455  230  250
> ILLINOIS          3    3    1   .500      5    4    1   .550  197  198

        Is it just me or won't 6-4-1 look better than 6-6 or 6-5 to the Holiday
people?  And they did beat OSU and tie Michigan.... That's *if* they win :).

> Michigan at Ohio State (ABC, 11:00 am Central, National)

        OSU wins!  Michigan sucks!  (Score is above)

> Indiana at Purdue (1 pm - I'll be at this traditionally-meaningless game)

        Indiana 20      Purdone 17

> Michigan State at Illinois (1 pm)

        MSU 21     Illinois 20    (I think Illinois is the better team, but MSU
has momentum and Ill will be down after the almost win over Michigan.)

> Iowa at Minnesota (6 pm)

        Iowa 00 (infinity)	Minnesota -2

> Wisconsin at Northwestern (1 pm)

	Wisconson 24	Northwestern 12

> Pitt at Penn State (ESPN, 3:00 pm Central, National)

	Penn State 34	Pitt	28

Brett
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