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From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,rec.music.funky,alt.rave,alt.rap
Subject: Re: House/Hip-hop Setup
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <1992Nov19.161948.1986@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
|> I think I have in mind what I want (as far as sound) ...
|> 
|> Remember, I like to make my own sounds and recreate new sounds  
|> from old sounds ...
|> 
|>    A KORG Wavestation
|>    An EPS-16 Sampler (or two)
|>    Maybe an SY77 (or *sigh* an SY99)
|>    Maybe the World Music Proteus and a Procussion
|>    Processing up the wazoo (I like to be classic AND creative)
|>    A small, simple, but nice PHAT-sounding monitor/mixing system
|>    An Atari ST (or *sigh* TT) with a whole helluva lot of Gb
|>      Sound Designer
|>      C-LAB Notator
|>    Any old DAT machine (yuk, I like analog) (A-DAT???)
|> 
|> Any recommendations?  I've been away for a while, so I don't  
|> know what's what (though, I still think this stuff sounds crazy  
|> PHAT, old or not).
|> 
|> Any rich sugar daddies out there want a new son?  (I'm willing)
|>    
|> *laugh*  (That shit's not funny ...)
|> Donald
 
 Atari have a new computer called Falcon that will be available soon.
 It's like the ST and uses TOS. But the guys at Atari decided to throw in
 a DSP-chip with awesome sound specs. I don't know the exact datas but 
 something like this:
 
 * 16-bit, 51 kHz, stereo sampling 

 * 8-channel sound

 * The possibility to use the DSP as an effects box in real time(Not so sure
 at which sampling rate etc.)

 * Hard-disk recording (two channels) if you can afford a larger hard disk. 
 Some companies are working on a hardware extension making it possible to
 record eight channels instead.

 What about the price? I'm not sure abt the american prices but I *think* 
 the basic Falcon i.e. 1 meg ram and no hard-disk will retail for abt $1000.
 There will be one version with 4 meg ram and a 65 meg harddisk for $1500.

 As soon as they come to Sweden I'm going to buy one :)


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From: au462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Origin of "gig"
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:38:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In article 21001@iplmail.orl.mmc.com, day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the origin of the term "gig"?

according to "a dictionary of slang & unconventional english"
(macmillan, 8th ed), it's from an older British usage for
"gig" = a dance--from, i think, French "gigue", a specific
dance now known as a "jig".  to quote: "an engagement to 
play at a party for one evening: dance bands' circa 1935.
This sense was, circa 1966, adopted by the hippies and,
in 1967, by the Flower People..."  be sure to make that
distinction between the hippies (no cap.) and the Flower
People (proper noun).

luigi
From: frankc@faatcrl (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Looking for small inexpensive mixer
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:06:13 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: offserv2.faa.gov
Summary: looking for a used mixer
Keywords: mixer, cheap


Posting for a friend in search of a small bare-bones mixer.  All he needs is something
to mix a stereo synth and a microphone or two into his home stereo.

Send replys to me & I'll pass them along.

 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: recording bass guitar?
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:40:09 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <474@bit.UUCP> grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.173027.11556@kth.se> regebro@stacken.kth.se (Lennart Regebro) writes:
>>In article <9211101002.AA20833@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
>>>Argh.  I'd really like some opinions on how to get a good punchy bass guitar
>>>sound.  Is it a matter of EQ?  Noise gate?  
>>
>>Some hints: 
>>If you have more than one mike, use only one.
>>Don`t play with your fingers, use a picker ( I think thats the english word?)
>
>If a recording engineer told me to play with a pick because he couldn't get a
>good sound for my bass I would fire him(her) if I could otherwise I would
>walk out. There are the rare times when a pick sound makes sense (to me).

HEAR HEAR.  If you've spent lots of time developing a technique the last 
thing you want is some snotty twit telling you what to do.

When I was learning to play I hit on this really great technique involving
playing with my thumb.  I had never heard of funk at this time.  Some guy 
said to me - stop doing that, play with a pick - 'coz he couldn't get the 
right sound.  So I played with a pick for a while.  If I had just told him
to f*#$ off I would have been right in there at the cutting edge.  Now I 
play with my fingers and have been for about fifteen years. I would be 
_very_ pissed off at someone telling me (or anyone else in my hearing) to 
play with a pick 'coz they couldn't get the right sound.


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: fullerto@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Subject: Re: Performance Contracts  (rec.music.makers.biz ?)
Keywords: Generic, fill-in-the-blanks contract...
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:07:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.221109.6401@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> wes@ian.stx.com (John S.) writes:

>
>Just wondering where you use this contract. A good portion of the bars
>around here hire bands on a verbal contract basis, and I'd think that
>after doing so for several years, they might not take to the idea of a
>contract. Do you do a lot of bar gigs, as opposed to say doing office
>parties or outdoor concerts?


	I have found that anyone, especially a bar owner, who will not commit
in writing and with a deposit wishes to have the option to cheat me. I have 
been burned enough times now to be very rigid about contracts and payment
policies. If someone doesn't want to adhere to them, it is pretty predictable
that they will be more trouble than they are worth.

	For all gigs I take a written commitment and a deposit upfront, and
for all lessons I am paid by the month in advance.

		Tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Portable DAT decks
Followup-To: bottom_david@dneast.enet.dec.com
Keywords: Digital audio tape
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Organization: ASO IM operations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:13:20 GMT


Anyone have experience with any of the portable DAT decks available? I'm 
particularly interested in the TEAC DA-P20, but opions on other decks are
welcome. I am however, only interested in portable units with battery 
packs. thanks

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/dave

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From: tnguyen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thinh Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Opinions on YAMAHA FX900 Effect.
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:08:40 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Does anyone have any experience, or opinions on YAMAHA FX900 effect module ?

I heard some positive about FX500 but non FX900.

Some local guy offer it for $500 used. 

Are the different between 500's and 900's ? I know FX900 has Midi in/out/thru.

Thanks

 Thinh Nguyen
 (408)729-8160
 tnguyen@hpuxps.cup.hp.com
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From: aniekan@antares.usc.edu (Aniekan Akpaffiong)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.funky
Subject: How to be DJ?
Date: 15 Nov 1992 15:57:04 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.usc.edu


I might get a chance to be a Disc Jockey for a group of about 80
people and I'm a bit nervous.  It will be a semi-formal/dance party. I
would appreciate any help from people who have done this before.

It will be especially tough since the musical tastes of these people
will vary all over the place.  There will be young people (college
students) and older people (faculty, staff) at this party.  I will be
renting the equipment so that will not be a problem but I would like
advise on what to get (equipment), any general advise on the music,
ways to keep people interested and how to deal with the party-goers
who make "weird" requests. 

Also, has anyone had problems with sexy DJ groupies who don't leave
you alone?  :-)

Your comments by e-mail or post will be appreciated.
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Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:38:34 -0500 
From: "Mark R. Stemm" <msaj+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: SR-16 vs. HR-16??

	Could anyone please give me a quick rundown on the difference between a
n Alesis SR-16 and an Alesis HR-16? Email please--it's easier to track
that way.


						--Mark
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Q: recording with a 4 track deck.
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:43:43 GMT

I have a 4 track fostex recorder and I have some plans to make
recordings of the noise I make together with the some other people.
We have to record: drums, bass, guitar (2x) and vocals (2x). We want to
make direct recordings. Is there anyone who has some experience with 4-track
machine and who has some practical advices.

Louis Kossen



Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Cheapo mikes for drum use... how bout this?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:46:17 GMT

In article <something> jimbo@socrates.umd.edu (Jim Bogard) writes:
>Enter the poor starving college band.  Needless to say, cash is at
>a premium.  I ask:
>
>Has anybody tried using those $2 microphone elements from Rat Shack
>(or the like) for drum miking?
>
How much you pay doesn't make these bad.  They have some distinctive
characteristics which may be good for some applications.  They are
omnidirectional, which makes them awkward for live use (although
they won't need much gain and a coffee cup or equivalent makes them
slightly directional) and they have an impressive low frequency
response (delightful bass drum recordings I've made with these)
A big problem for drum use is distortion.  Up the voltage slightly
and it improves, but these cannot handle more than 100 dB in my
experience.  Muffling them has many problems, but I think you will
not be wasting your time experimenting with them.  Any experiences
would be interesting for me as well, so please post.

Regards.

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From: angusg@spider.co.uk (Angus Grossart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Tivia Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:01:07 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Can anyone precisely tell me what the stringed instrument market is worth
world wide?  It's to settle an argument a friend and I had as to how many 
guitars and stringed instruments are sold each year.

Thanks
Angus
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: diamond@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.j.diamond)
Subject: Cakewalk Pro for Windows
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:05:33 GMT


New to this newsgroup, so greetings and salutations, etc. etc. etc....

I'd like to hear from people using Cakewalk Professional for Windows.  I just
got it, and have been using it for about a week now, and I'm thrilled. I have
a Music Quest 32M MIDI card on a 486DX33.  For the moment, I'm just hooked
up to my Roland D-20.

A couple of questions...

-Is there a way to use the on-board metronome on my MIDI card?

-I have occasional timing problems when alot of data is being sent to the
 D-20. Specifically, stuff that plays fine from the D20's sequencer using
 Drum patterns has timing problems when played from Cakewalk sending the
 Drum Data "live" on a MIDI channel.  (Is this the fabled "MIDI log jam" I've
 heard about?)

Thanks.

---

Robert Diamond    diamond@cbnewsm.att.com
AT&T
From: gcrown@ecst.csuchico.edu (Fuzz E. Pickle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: KORG 01/W Discussions
Keywords: KORG,01/W
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:30:48 GMT
Organization: California State University, Cheeeeekoooo
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

I am about to buy my first (auhhh) synth and I was about THIS  |<-->| close
to buying an 01/W becuase it feels nice, looks nice, and the piano sound
(the sound by which I make all judgement) sounded the best of all the synths
I tested.  But then someone told me that with the 01/W you can never ever
change the actual sample.  That all those sound cards, disks, etc., are
just parameters to be used on the original samples.  To me that is a big
drawback.  Is this guy right?  So I've been looking into the Yamaha SY85
which supposedly CAN use completely new sample data-like it's big brother
the SY99.  BTW, can you use SY99 samples on the SY85?

-FUZ
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Re: Patch Copyrighting
Organization: Dicomed, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:05:11 GMT

With regard to this topic:

There's an article in the December Electronic Musician about patch
companies and the talk a lot about pirating.  The biggest problem
has been one patch company stealing (intentionally or not) another
companies patches and selling them.  One thing that kinda shocked me
was how strongly they asserted that there wasn't much the patch companies
can do about it.  They did mention the patch copyright laws, but had
quotes from some of the patch company owners saying things like 
'I can't afford to take anyone to court, ' and 'Karma will get the
pirates in the end'.   

Regards,
Doug Sr.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Using Atari 520 ST with harddisks
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:28:40 GMT

In article <hjv.721995665@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>, hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
|> aclaasse@nyx.cs.du.edu (Arne Claassen) writes:
|>  
|> >f you run your MIDI on an Atari 520 ST, is it possible to share a 
|> >SCSI harddisk used with your keyboard. It seems that most keyboards use
|> >MS-DOS formatted disks.

MS-DOS formatted disks are used in FLOPPY disk drives. What does
this have to do with hard disks ? It is how the Operating system
expects the hard disk to be formatted that determines whenther you
can share a hard disk between a keyboard and a computer. Incidentally,
the only keyboards that have SCSI interfaces are samplers and some
synths (like the K2000) with a sample-based architecture.

|> 
|> Maybe you'd better post this question to comp.sys.atari.st or
|> comp.sys.atari.st.tech.  And reformulate your question as I absolutely
|> don't understand what you mean (or am I just being dumb...???). I've
|> never seen a _keyboard_ that uses a _disk_ ...

Ensoniq Mirage, Yamaha DX7IIFD, Korg M1, Yamaha SY77/99, etc.
all are keyboards with 3.5" floppy disk drives. The Mirage keyboard
came out over 7 years ago and was one of the first keyboards to sport
a disk drive. Get with it !
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: jlajka@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Michael Lajka)
Subject: Finale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:59:19 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the correct board to post such a question, but this
is the only one I'm subscribed to, so . . .

A friend of mine has the Finale notation/etc. program for his Mac.  He's
been able to input music from his keyboard (synth) into his Mac, with the
music appearing as data-type pixels on the screen.  He's trying to convert
the data pixels into meaningful notation, but isn't familiar enough with the
program to accomplish the task.

Help can be emailed to jlajka@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

Any information would be most appreciated.  Many thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Subject: Re: Sampling option for 01/W
Summary: Here are all the details I know
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.021353.25637@ncsu.edu> dan@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel Heath) writes:
>
>
> Hey,
>
>   Where is this article about the SAM-1 you mentioned.  I'd like to
>find out more about it.
>
>                                       Thanks,
>                                       Dan Heath
>                                       dan@catt.ncsu.edu

A good few people have mailed me about this so I will give all the info
I have to the list.
The magazine is a British publication called "Sound on Sound" and it was
in the November issue of this year. This magazine is EXCELLENT in most
respects and is far superior in many ways to magazines like Keyboard.
If you want to subscribe to it, the address is

Sound on Sound,
PO Box 30, St. Ives,
Cambs PE17 4XQ
England.

The mail order tel. no. is 0480 61786.

Europe yearly sub is 35 stg, World 45 stg.
Payment must be in sterling through a UK bank.

For more information on the SAM-1, telephone 073088 383 or write to

AMG, 	(A.M.G. are a big distributor, not the maker of the product)
Hurst Lane,
Privett,
Nr Alton,
Hants GU34 3PL,
England.

Remember the above numbers need an international prefix code for England
in front of them.

A few more details taken from the magazine about the SAM-1

#1 It is a 1 unit rackmount
#2 The drive is high density 1.44 MB
#3 Samples can be received over MIDI or through floppy
#4 Drive will read double density disks also
#5 The SAM-1 doubles up as a general purpose MIDI datafiler and as a
MIDI song playback machine.
#6 MIDI files can be read from ST or MS-DOS disks (DD only)
#7 The RAM is .5 MEG, upgradable to 1 MEG and probably more in the future

A few words about the sample architecture it employs.

Samples can be treated as Drum sounds or split across the keyboard as a
Multi-sound as Double-Dutch call it. Samples in the multi-sounds are
referred to as Rel-Sounds (Related).
Capacity Rel-Sounds :69
	 Drum Sounds : 29
	 Multi-sounds : 28
This is with .5 Meg. A sample can be looped or not looped.
Multi-sounding includes level adjustment, comprehensive mapping, tuning,
filter cutoff and decay offsets for each sample. Full naming of
Multi-sounds etc. is of course supported.

List of sampler disks supported (so far with V 2.1 of the software)

Korg T1, DSM1, Akai S1000, S950, S900, Roland S50, S550, S330, W30,
Ensoniq 16+, Sequential Prophet 2000/2002, Digidesign SoundDesigner.

The SAM-1 connects to all the modern Korgs, i.e. since the T series
except the 01/W :-(

I'm signing off now as I'm bushed.

Cheers

Paul

Disclaimer:- I have no connection whatsoever with any of the above
mentioned products or companies.

phammond@cs.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: What synths are comparable to an M-1?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:43:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.155130.23283@erenj.com>, srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:
|> 
|> Is there a rackmount version of the K4?

Yes, the K4R. Doesn't have a digital reverb built-in (like the K4)
but has 8 outs.

|> I've been thinking of eventually 
|> getting the M3R to run behind my DX7-II. What other rack-mount tone generators
|> can give me a good piano sound, as well as reverb/chorus etc? For me, a good
|> set of accoustic piano sounds is way important, other synthy patches are an
|> extra.

The K4 piano is nothing special. The M1/M3 piano is superior to the
K4 piano. But if acoustic piano sounds are that important, get an Emu
Proformance. It has several superb sampled acoustic and electric pianos.
The Proformance plus also has some great bass sounds. If a built-in
effects ('reverb/chorus') is important than the K4R doesn't have any,
though its price is low enough you can pick up a digital effects as well.

|> Drum patches are crucial too, so I can graduate from my TR-505.

The K4 has some good drum sounds though I had tweak them a bit since
I found the factory patches a little thin. The thing with the M1/M3
is that you can add new cards with new drum sounds - with the K4 you
are stuck with the sounds available.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups,rec.music.synth
From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins)
Subject: Re: Dave Hayes may be right (was Re: To keep the r.m.s rename...)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:22:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.090220.14539@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
|I guess I want people to stop treating newbies like
|they're dirt and people to stop renaming things anal retentively. Those
|aren't exactly objective criteria, I know...and hardly enforcable. But
|a good reworking of the "usenet documentation" and "guidelines" may be
|a good thing to start with. 

Dave -- I know that you're working on a new proposal for the Guidelines.
Can you at least give us a thumb-nail sketch of what you're planning
to propose?  

Personally, I'd like to see some resolution to this issue, but it's
hard to see us getting anywhere when all I hear from you is
"I'll give you a new proposal sometime soon...".  (no flame intended:
just some frustration).

Who knows?  Maybe I'd even help polish the proposal ...


-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          huggins@eecs.umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
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