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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Jaguar, Falcon, Atari generally
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 20:55:11 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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And people say ST-Report isn't full of atari-slaggin?? I ask you!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:38:59 GMT

Gack! Whatever my opinions on this issue, I will not defend Bill Gates :-)

Mike
From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More about the Falcon
Summary: external synch. required
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:50:45 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <BzL1r7.JMq@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>Harald Schoenfeld (mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de) wrote:
>} 
>} The hardware works very well: AD and DA converters sound excellent (also
>} the bass is increased for headphones). Using 33 or 50 kHz it sounds
>} just like the cd-player itself. Sending data via DMA from one subsystem
>
>Are you impling that the Falcon cant sample at 48 Khz? Or at standard CD
>rate (44.7 I think)?  That's bad. What if you want to edit DAT tapes at
>48Khz and dump them back to DAT? It better have those sample rates. Please
>clarify this for me.

Before I reply to the first question, let's clarify something else: Your
DAT tape deck will output digital information which the Falcon will be able to
receive and directly digitally manipulate, then send back to the DAT, this
through the DSP port or something. You will not need to sample anything.
(that would be bad, because you would add a D->A phase to get the music/sound
to the Falcon, the falcon would need to to a A->D conversion to work on the
data, and then you would have to to another D->A and A->D conversion to get
it back to the DAT. Sound-quality-wise one avoins A/D D/A conversions as much
as possible)

But, if you were to sample at 48Khz or at 44.1Khz, or other specific sampling
rates apart from those that the Falcon allows, you'll need to provide the
synch signal externaly, i'm told. One should see 3rd party small hacks to do
this without delay, at minor cost. I hope this clarifies and is accurate.

>Harris Wulfson
>hjwulfson@unix.amherst.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cop18@lehre23.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Kompilerpraktikum Gruppe18)
Subject: Gameboy-Emulator
Organization: Universitaet Bremen
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:17:02 GMT


Hello,

Recentley there were some people out there, who ment that there is a
Gameboy-Emulator for the ST. What happend to this thing ?? Where can I get it ?

Please help me out !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: malay@sae.com (Bob Malay)
Subject: Re: GIF/RAW/RCS/SPC ETC.
Reply-To: malay@sae.com
Organization: Template Software
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:40:36 GMT

In article 18025117@meena.cc.uregina.ca, mackie@meena.cc.uregina.ca () writes:
>Yes it does have Targa support.  The Gif function is ***EXCELLENT***.
>
>Where does one get Targa files?  What are they, specifically?
>
>Brook

If you're talking about pchrome3's gif function - it's not that execellent -
apparently, it has a problem dealing with gifs that are smaller than 320x200 -
a gif that is 200x200 will look like it has been "stretched" horizontally with
equally-spaced vertical black bands "filling" in the necessary area to make
a 320x200. If this 200x200 gif is "padded" with "black space" on either side
to make it a 320x200 then the gif function of pchrome3 works fine.

One thing that is odd, the "raw function" seems to handle these smaller sizes
up to a point - I have given it some very skinny raw files (like 80x200) which
locks up the program.

All in all, pchrome3 is the BEST display program yet for the ST - they just need
to work out a few kinks.

Bob Malay



Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: muocj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Olivo Contreras)
Subject: Re: IMG Scan
Summary: E.A. Brown Company has 'em 
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:05:04 GMT

E. Arthur Brown Company in Minnesota still sells IMG Scan.  I'm not sure
if they'll sell you the disk by itself.  I bought mine a few years ago.
The results were so bad I never used it again.

Olivo Contreras
muocj@uxa.ecn.bgy.edu
muocj@ecnuxa.bitnet

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: Game Workbench
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:29:35 GMT


 I recently read a reply from a Mr. Bob_BobR_Retelle, when I asked questions
concerning Game Workbench, and what it means to the common st user like me
( yes st users still exist ). 

Anyway like I said before it appears that Mr. Bagget is very upset.
However does this mean Game Workbench will never see the light ?
I would sincerely hope not.
I would really like to know what the AAID think of this ( or are they an
organisation that does not have meetings or communicate with one another ).
I plan to buy a Falcon because of it's hardware and some of the readily 
available ST software. I can not afford to keep upgrading a PC.
My Falcon will serve as a terminal ( so I can have irc up all the time ),
and a platform where I can program with some of the already available gnu 
tools.
Perhaps Mr. Bagget ( I hope I'm spelling his name right ), could negotiate
with some european software houses ( or perhaps not considering how much
of his personal finances he has put in already ). The software house I had
in mind was Renegade ---> infamous for bitmap bros. games.
As long as he has his routines licenced or copyrighted, he should be able
to work out something ( right ? ). Because I feel like students ( like me ),
programmers should at least cooperate ( ensuring that they have thier indiv. 
work copyrighted if neccessary ). I am sure Mr. Bagget wanted to share
the fruits of his developement, however we all know how he was thwarted.
But I do feel he should not give up, he has worked very hard and his work 
should not be in VAIN. I proprose ( perhaps rather blindly ), to see if this
product can be made available through the europeans namely --->
Renegade, maybe Atari U.K., some French or German software houses, etc.
Think if these routines could be called from a rom chip !! that would be 
truly nice. Note LYNX PROGRAMMERS may not be true Atarians --->
they are from the other side of the camp.

I would really like to know how 

Mr. Bagget feels about this.
How atari employees who frequent the net feel about this.
Ataris position on game workbench ( did we ever get thier opinion )
And if this product will be available <--- This is to Mr. Bagget as I don't
have his e-mail address.


NOTE I HAVE TRIED TO BE UNBIASED AND OBJECTIVE IN WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN 
SO PLEASE DON'T HOUND ME AS I DO NOT LIKE PERSONAL ATTACKS. IF THERE
ARE ANY WRONG ASSUMPTIONS, NICELY CORRECT ME AND LET IT BE THAT.





From: clausb@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com (Claus Brod)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:25:27 GMT
Subject: Re: The Great Falcon Debate
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Juxtaposer (baffoni@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
> 	If the only thing skimped on is the 16 datalines from the CPU to the
> "standard" memory, wouldn't it be possible to simply make an adapter from the
> 68882 socket (which to my knowledge _must_ have all data lines to the CPU)

That's not quite true. The 6888x can be configured to work with 16-bit buses
by hard-wiring certain signals (A0 and /SIZE), and then only one half
of the 32 data lines will need to be connected. I don't know if they
used such a solution in the Falcon, however.

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From: lehmann@cs.tamu.edu (Mark A Lehmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GNU C
Date: 12 Dec 1992 20:51:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.tamu.edu

Does the GCC compiler also handle C++?  I seem to remember a discussion
that GNU was going to incorporate C++ in to the GNU C compiler.

Mark Lehmann
lehmann@cs.tamu.edU
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bossoj@aix.rpi.edu (Joseph Charles Bossolini)
Subject: Re: Second floppy on Falcon
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:07:05 GMT

In article <72073@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Peter Missel writes:
>j> WHAT??? NO EXTERNAL FLOPPY????
>>Why not connect a Floptical to the SCSI-2 port? Try this on the Amiga 1200..
> 
>How about $300 as a reason..?
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>How do you explain to someone who would like to add a $42 floppy drive
>that it's going to take a Floptial 21 Meg drive to accomplish what they
>want to do..?
> 
>BobR
>	

Why would anyone want a second floppy anyway?  IMO it's not needed if
you have a hard drive, and you buy a Falcon without one it should only cost
about $150US to get a small HD...

just my 2 cents,,,
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: What I would do if I was running Atari...
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:38:56 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Atari Explorer On-Line, and Z*NET Online Mag' - are both a LOT more positive
than ST-Report, the only even slightly good news ST-Report publishes, is
what it swipes from elsewhere, rather than making it themselves.

They sure don't have any original Positive news about Atari - at least, 
not in the last few issues, whereas other on-line mags have been a lot
more interesting, and positive!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory on MultiTos
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:29:50 GMT

In article <1goqo6INN1fk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak354@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dennis Mc Guire) writes:
>   There was some discussion on the Atari Explorer On-line FNET
>conference regarding porting an X-Windows terminal to the ST.
>What are your comments on the feasibility of this and the amount
>of work required?  What would be the minimum hardware required
>to make it really useful?

As I've said before, I'm certain that X could be made to run under
MiNT or MultiTOS; the only thing missing are people to do the port
(I certainly don't have the time :-( ). The difficulty and the
hardware required would be proprotionate, i.e. a straight port of the
supplied sample server (say, the Sun 3 version) with only local
connections (i.e. shared memory, no TCP/IP) would be relatively
easy, but would probably require a TT with lots of memory to run.
A re-written server could no doubt be made to run comfortably on
a Mega STe, but this involves a lot more effort (as does adding
TCP/IP support).

Eric

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Comparisons between two fine machines...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 15 DEC 92 16:00:23    


In article <29563@castle.ed.ac.uk>, marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes...
> 
>Is the D2D hard disk system actually going to be bundled with the Falcon?
>According to one of the (notoriously unreliable) UK ST magazines, it was
>going to be sold seperatley.  Anybody know for sure?
> 

Last U.S. rumor is that it's a bare-bones version.  A "pro" level version will
be separately available for approx. $400.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:46:50 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <1992Dec10.164600.4097@arizona.edu>, by paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris):
> In article 1g6qmfINN7r8@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU, thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Thaanum) writes:
>> I just ftp'd Llamatron, and it's excellent.  If any of you haven't yet
>> picked this up, you ought to.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'll get to the point.  This is a tough game.  What kind of high
>> scores have you managed?  My roommate is becoming quite skilled at this game.
>> He thinks he can beat anybody.  He's up in the 2.5 million point area (way
>> ahead of me) can anybody top this?
>> 
> 
> Aaaahhh!!   *sigh*.  And I was happy when I passed 300k......

A friend of mine won the all-time highscore LLamatron competition a
few years ago at a computer show.
When you get a high score in the game, it tells you to write to
LLamasoft and tell Jeff (Minter) what the score was.
All those with high scores were then entered (top 3 I think) to the
competition at a computer show.
Robbie won a portable CD Diskman and completely frazzeled the others'
scores.
I'm not sure what it was, but I'll find out and post it.
(note: it was tens of millions)

Antony.
From: winnipg@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Winnipg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What's Brodie Compuserve address?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:56:47 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

Anyone know what B.Brodie's Compuserve address is?
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Comparisons between two fine machines...
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec13.175737.26832
Organization: University of Washington

jonord@solace.hsh.se (Joakim Nordlander) writes:

>In <Bz6vFJ.18v@ucunix.san.uc.edu> klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier) writes:

>>Comparisons between two fine machines: the F030, and the Amiga 1200.

>>                        Atari Falcon         CBM Amiga 1200

>>external floppy          no                  yes

> WHAT??? NO EXTERNAL FLOPPY???? 

> Well, anyway, looking at those datas, I prefer F030... OK, A1200 has better 
>graphic, but I liked the other data on Falcon more than those on the A1200...

> /Jocke

Basically, the DSP makes the machine.  If programs are written right, the
'030 should basically only be used for the interface.  The DSP provides so
much extra power it would be rediculous not to put it to use.  Also, it
will be easy to hook up an external floppy via the SCSI2 port.  

Just out of curiosity...  how much does the fact that the Falcon has a
68030 at 16 MHz instead of a 68EC020 at 14.? MHz counter the fact that the
1200 has a 32 bit bus instead of 16/24? 

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
From: gt3791a@prism.gatech.EDU (JOHNSON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: BBS Shareware
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:58:41 GMT
Followup-To: jcstasko@bootes.unm.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Posting this for a friend.

-------------

From: JOHN STASKO <JCSTASKO@BOOTES.UNM.EDU>


Hello all you atari hackers out there!

I'm looking for some atari st1040 shareware or simple software for MONEY
that is a bulletin board.  If you have ANY information on this, oh PLEASE
mail me,

                         jcstasko@unmb.unm.edu

Thanks for you time!

=John

Please reply to jcstasko@unmb.unm.edu, not me.  Thanks.

-- 
						M. Johnson

Department of Chemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet: gt3791a@prism.gatech.edu  or  harle@jablab.gatech.edu
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The myth of the upgradeable/generic quality of PC-compatibl
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:05:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71394@cup.portal.com> <104785@bu.edu>

Patricia Anne writes:

>I understand some use of "poetic" license to make a point (about the
>relative standardization of PC motherboard designs), but it seems
>hypocritical for you to criticize people for making blanket statements
>that aren't true and then do it yourself.


You're right that I was speaking of the "generic" PC motherboard..
there always will be special cases that don't fit that generic category
though.. the two you mentioned are good examples.  (Zenith is a good
example of something that doesn't fit ANY category..!)

Many of the "low profile" systems may also have problems with mounting
points and slot openings in the case.

The problem is, many of my postings are long enough as it is, without
going into all the details and exceptions for everything.. what I've been
trying to counter here is the general body of myths surrounding what
seems to be the typical Atari owner's knowledge of other computer
platforms.. the "everybody knows Brand X sucks bigtime" kind of myths..

OK, to restate the motherboard thing.. there IS standardization, and there
is in MOST cases an easy upgrade path.  Nearly ALL motherboards come with
CPU and BIOS chips.  There ARE some exceptions, but most PCs can be easily
and inexpensively upgraded, either by the user themselves, or by any service
technician without the need for physical modifications.

(Incidentally, the original IBM PC itself cannot be upgraded this way
because of the number and spacing of the slots.. I'm surprised no one
brought that up..   :)

The entire point, which seems to have been lost in all the shouting, is
that for most owners of PCs, there IS an easy, and inexpensive upgrade
path available, if they choose to take that route to greater speed or
computing power.

BobR
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
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Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK? (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:43:16 -0800
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In <BzDEr6.JC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
>In article <1gnve3INNhd9@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David  
>Baggett) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.193731.1968@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
>davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:
>>>I, on the other hand, wondered just what the hell David was doing  
>>>talking to folks at Atari who had obviously never programmed on an ST
>>>in the first place.
>>>LYNX programmers ... for crying out loud.
>>
>>It's just *amazing* to me how you can twist everything around so that
>>it's not Atari's fault.

>  I think you missed his point.  He was not criticizing you, but rather  
>Atari for picking an inappropriate audience for you presentation. 

	That's the way I read it too, Dave. I think you may be getting a bit
oversensitive here. However, I guess that it would be difficult for
Atari to find too many experienced ST game programmers left in the US,
and it's dubious they'd fly one in from Europe where they still exist.

-- 

 "If Rush fans were braindead, why are there so   Bruce Bufalini
 many people posting to alt.music.rush?"              PSU
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:08:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world,local
  <1992Dec15.154650.196@galadriel.bt.co.uk>

Argh..   I *still* want to know how you get past Level 51 the second time
around..

The problem isn't just that the monsters move faster, but when you start
over past Level 99, they all take many more shots to kill..
 
I can easily make it to that point, but no matter how many extra lives
I've stored up at that point, I'm stopped cold..

(The only way past there that I've been able to see is to get a Warp
somewhere in the four levels just preceeding that one..)

BobR
From: meyer@carson.u.washington.edu (Bent Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: AT-Speed, Windows and Mouse not working
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec12.232940.7605
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	I own a 520ST with 1 mega of RAM.  I have an AT-Speed 16 installed
which works without fault in DOS mode.  I run DRDOS V5.

	I have loaded Windows V3.0, but have had no success getting the mouse
to work.  The mouse is in RS232=(COM1), MOUSE=(COM2) mode.  The windows mouse
setup is "Mouse Sustems (or VisOn) connected to COM2".

	I have removed the mouse driver from the config.bat file as recomended 
in the Windows documenation.

	1. Is my problem with AT-Speed?  The setup of AT-Speed?

	2. Is DRDOS incompatable?

	3. Do I need a special driver?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: Comparisons between two fine machines...
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:36:08 GMT

In article <Bz6vFJ.18v@ucunix.san.uc.edu> klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier) writes:

>MEMORY & EXPANSION
>ram(base model)          1 MB of 16bit       2 MB of 32bit

I am aware that the poster claimed no responsibility for
misinformation, and I don't mean to be picky, but as I'm not quite
sure myself, I'd like to ask if the above info (16bit memory) is
correct?

>palette(colors)          65,536              16.8 million
>maximum displayed        65,536(640x400)     256,000(all res)

Same goes for here, the palette is 262???, right? And if you use
overscan (can you do that together with truecolor?) then you'd get a
bit higher resolution? BTW, can you use a Multisynch monitor with the
Falcon, and is it possible to overscan with it? Are all the TV + all
the VGA resolutions available with a Multisynch?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From:  (m19701)
Subject: 1040 for sale -- N.Va/DC/MD area
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: mitre.org
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:52:05 GMT

Greetings ya'll

Somethings have sold, offers accepted on rest.

1040 ST w/ internal and external floppies
color montitor
b/w monitor

Joppa fax modem (2400 baud)  
Signalman modem (1200 baud)

panasonic 1124 printer (24 pin)

misc. software -- all legal, including Start mag discs since 1987

Again make offer.  Hard drive went for $200.  Dungeon Master and Chaos went
together for $20.  I'm not unreasonable if you aren't.

ed casey

(insert standard disclaimer here)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st