HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:49:17 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) wrote...
>In article <1992Aug28.035311.5621@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>(More suicide-related postings.  Hmmmmmm.  Well I guess I might as
>>well out myself on this one.)
>
>(Ditto.)

>and I too find
>it amazing that there are people who haven't been at least some
>way down that road.  For my part, though, I have no doubt over
>the value of having been there - I would never envy those who've
>not experienced it.

Yeah, there's something quite powerful in choosing to live.
(Even if it was a reluctant choice in my case.  (I became convinced that
if I opted out now I'd just have to do this all over again.))

I rarely take life for granted as a result.

>It's the same with most, perhaps all, of the things I've done and
>moved on from, esp. religion (I did the fundie Xian thang in
>college).  

You went through that too huh?  
(Though I didn't quite count as a fundie.)

>Without such things, I wouldn't have the perspective
>I do now.  Sure it'd be fun to be born well-rounded, "together",
>bi-positive [whoops - it's that old "aren't we all?" bit :-)],
>but there'd be so much you couldn't understand.

Preciously, but then again sometimes I'm not above envying the
well-adjusted.

>So if I have a point, it's that these experiences do make you
>a better person in some way, if/when they finally fade away.

For me I don't think it will ever completely fade.  I still have
yet to figure out if that's a good thing or not.

>Mike, who when reading the above, is reminded of a friend who
>had an essay returned with the comment "Abysmally shallow" ...

Disagree. <smile>.

BTW the hot tub misses you.

Ellen
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Subject: Perverse Machines
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:57:56 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <BtFoy2.8JE@blkhole.resun.com> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk writes:
|Atari ST, eh?  Well, folks, those of you who haven't visited my office
|at least, GUESS what flashy little totally non-X terminal connects me
|to my normal home machine geovax (a VAX - as if that weren't bad
|enough)?  Yes, you managed it, what clever (fluffy) little sausages
|you are, it is indeed an Atari 1040 STe.  Wonderful machine.

   As a long-time (1985-1992) ST user, I don't know if wonderful is
exactly the right word for it.  Sure, they are nice and fast, and fairly
well put together, but then there's the keyboard, which, as Sara and
about every other ST user has discovered, has noxious evil rubber diaphragm
thingies instead of switches and springs, and then there's the operating
system that Atari gives you, which is almost as bad as the other also-ran
68000 operating system, and then there's Atari, which, well, if they're
the first up against the wall when the revolution comes, I want to be
holding one of the guns.

  I'd imagine that if you're into (I mean *really into) the M part of S&M,
the ST would be the perfect machine.  Perhaps that's why my sex life has
been so vanilla; any interesting inclinations have been used up trying to
deal with the Atari ST.
                __
  david parsons \/ Who, for the life of him, can't figure out any
		   birelevance to this posting.
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:00:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

>>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>>>Anyway, I'll be on the registration desk at UEA at then, so I'll have
>>>to wait until you arrive.
>

Y'know, the first thing Kay said to me at Norwich (after the accommodation
dubris) was 'The safer sex materials are behind you'.... and he didn't say
it to anyone else, either.... <sniff>.

I think you lot are tarnishing my reputation....


                                 Bethan

(found another 'equal opportunity lover' in the department today - yay!)
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:52:57 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) wrote...
>>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>>  Oh ho! You'd have to tie me up to keep me out of the hot tub!...
>>Extra special torture for you.  Bondage and being forced to look at us
>>having fun and frolics in the hot tub.
>This is getting all the more interesting.  Have to think about what
>to tie him to.  Furniture is kinda scarce around the house at this
>moment.  We could just tie him to the deck itself....

   You could always tie me to Coe...

   And look at the attributions! Now *Iseult* is between Ellen & I!
Everyone's greedy for the middle today!

>Then there's that sale at Good Vibrations...

   Coe's already promised to take me there...

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: owen@visix.com (Owen Thomas)
Subject: Hi again
Reply-To: owen@visix.com (Owen Thomas)
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 14:33:50 GMT

Hey, y'all, it's me again.  You know, the much-less-interesting
Owen.  (Hi, Owen/Gwen; my vote's for keeping your name, but
I'm obviously prejudiced.)  Anyway, I just couldn't avoid posting
when there were all these articles with the subject "Owen."

I spent the weekend in Ottawa with Dave Ferguson (who I met
through this here forum.) It was really wonderful; Ottawa's a
beautiful city, and the view from Parliament Hill is breathtaking.
I can't think of any views from D.C. that are particularly breath-
taking; I mean, the Washington Monument is impressive and all
that, but I don't really go, "Ooh!  Wow!" when I see it.  Then
again, I grew up here, so I may just be blase by now.  I was also
impressed by Ottawa's public transportation and bike-friendly
streets.   I've started biking to work recently, but I know I'm very
lucky for a suburbanite: a local bike trail is about five minutes from
home and five minutes from work, with few major roads to cross
along the way. 

Dave took me to a party Saturday night, and I must say the Ottawa
crowd knows how to throw 'em.  It was in an apartment, but they
had this area set up as a dance floor with a strobe light, a smoke
machine, and various and sundry cool lighting effects.  Okay, okay,
maybe I'm easily pleased, but I found it very impressive that one
would go to this effort just for a party in someone's apartment.
I met a lot of interesting people there and I was rather miffed that
I was just there for the weekend.  My decision, my fault.  Oh well.

I suppose this doesn't sound very impressive, but for someone
coming out, it was a really positive experience to meet gay and
bisexual people living their lives and having fun.   Well, I totally
flubbed trying to make that sound like something meaningful,
but I hope y'all will get the idea.

*hugs* and hello, Colin.  Thanks for replying...

Owen

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:25:28 GMT

(Having hopelessly screwed up the attribution, and with the line now
lost somewhere in the depths of my kill buffer, I substitute...)

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>I imagine that hot tubs exist in the Chicago metro area, but I suspect
>their existence is a closely held secret, rather than being part of
>popular culture...

Hot tubs are quite popular in Dallas.  I have a friend who installed
a new deck and hot tub around a tree in her back yard, and now runs
out every winter morning for an early soak.  She says the best time
is when there's snow on the deck and the tree....

Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: The ??? Between Us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:11:13 GMT

In article <17543@autodesk.COM> grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth) writes:
|pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
|> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) wrote...
|> >  However, the *Really* *Big* *Whisk*, now that's something that's got
|> >immediate and practical uses, at least if I can avoid giggling....
|> Your wisk is decidedly bigger than mine...
|It is... it's *huge*!!!! :-) (But in proportion...<smirk>)
|
|However, Ellen, I think you wisk better than he does...
|<smile>

   Now, now, you've not had any basis to compare whisking ability.  Yet.

|(pauses to wonder how the wisk would work in the hottub...)

   And you're gonna be in Providence before I return to San Francisco,
too.  Tch tch, guess I'll just have to visit Rhode Island, too.
                __
  david parsons \/ "Wisk?  Whisk?  Where's the spelling queen, anyway?"
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Spods
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:37:31 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>I'm not a spod, I'm not a spod, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!

Non-net person: "What's a spod?"
Net person: "It's what computer nerds call each other."

Dave.
--
"My name is Hopkins ..., Sara Hopkins ..., double oh six." Bill Gammie

( Thanks for reminding me, Angi! )
From: bmcconne@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (bmcconne)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: University Guide Online
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:35:11 GMT

Attention fellow motssers.

The national directory of GLB student groups is now online in automagical 
form. This service will allow anyone with a Touchtone phone to search for 
GLB student, faculty and alumni groups at universities nationwide. It is 
online now for beta testing. Please give us a call and send feedback.
(You can also search for bars, restaurants, accomodations, media and 
current events too!)

GLB university groups will be able to post information, including up to 99 
announcements about upcoming events, on the system as often as they like, 
for free. The directory is completely automatic, and we will extract 
address lists, etc. into videotex form for distribution on the Internet as 
a public service (read: no charge). After Sept. 17th, the general public 
will search the national database on a pay-per-call (900) basis. 

Later this week, we'll have a messaging system online which will allow 
organizations to send messages directly to other organizations around their 
city, state or region. More on this later.

To search the service, just call (703)951-GIDE [4433], and select option 4 
to conduct a sample search. After a few messages, you'll be asked to enter 
the abbreviation of the state for which you want more information. Then, 
you'll be asked if you want to search our listing of organizations and 
businesses [i.e. bars, restaurants, etc], a list of this week's current 
events, or to search the university guide (press 3). It then gives you a 
list of universities, pick one by pressing *, and then a list of groups at 
that school.

Our goal is to place community organizations, businesses and events at 
everyone's fingertips, everywhere in the nation, and to bring the community 
closer together.

Again, the beta-test number is (703)951-4433, give us a call, and spread 
the word.

Please send feedback to <bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu>

Enjoy!
Brian
Brian S McConnell
1104 Ascot Lane
Blacksburg, VA 24060
REPLY TO !!! -> bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:49:04 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <mtbn2gq.scruff@netcom.com>, scruff@netcom.com (Steven Stadnicki) writes:
	{Something for the second net.addition....}
> Well, a hot tub would be the *obvious* choice, and definitely ought to be put
> in one of these days, but being the *extreme* backrub slut I am, I'm gonna have
> to suggest a massage room.  *warm smile*
	Oooh, Steven...I'm beginning to like you...I *love* backrubs!
	NOTE:yes--you're seeing my mail.sig twice--I'm so glad someone
else caught this movie!
>> -- 
>> Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
>> (A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
>> Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
> Geez, and I thought I was one of the only people out there who'd even *heard*
> of this movie, much less enjoyed it...
	<Smile>  Enjoyed it? I live it!  Only wish they'd come out
with another one--I still have room on my videotape after parts one
and two!  And what better person than me?  (I'm just kidding--think I
want cameras all over my estate? ;)
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Introduction
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) wrote...]

>It's probably easiest if it's me that sets it up at Edinburgh... 
>But we don't have space for gifs just now and I don't see any 
>conflict in having more than one ftp site for soc.bi resources. 

Oh goody, *another* excuse to visit Edinburgh - not that I need 
one, but hey!

>Speaking of Ed party photos, i was thinking of making a A3/A4 gif
>montage.  Good idea? Bad idea? I can handle most picture formats
>including actual photos.  I have Bethan's of the Pear Tree which tho
>not of the party, are connected. 

I was thinking the same. In the end I individually scanned Ellen's pix, as
the ones of Olaf (how cute can that man look?), Ciaran (clothed), Ellen 
(Ellen?... hold on, this is Ellen's camera!.... oh, never mind), Sara, Peter
and Tanaqui (in silk shirt) are all just too gorgeous to photo montage --
Bethan you would have been in that list if you weren't so damn camera-shy
(not one shot of her amongst the lot Grrrrr), but If anyone objects to the
sheer number of files -- I could do a four shot per-scan job (over an A4 
scale) and upload them as is, although these files tend to be HUGE (8-10 
Mbytes) at 600 DPI -- this is in colour. Reducing to 256 greyscales may 
help in trimming the file sizes.

There are a series of anti-aliasing "tricks" I can apply to the image using
the Soup Dragon (my 486DX-used for the scanning and basic image editing/
enhancing stuff) to downgrade the image from a 600dpi image to 300dpi alternat-
ively I can reduce the palette from 17.6 (.6?) million to 256 
colours (or 256 grey-scales), or both. Or I could load them into Tiny 
Clanger here (my Macintosh at home) and JPEG the suckers into something that i-
sn't going to give usenet a hernia... Thinking about it JPEG is a great
idea as it offers really acceptable compression ratios - failing that I 
have this "odd" fractal compressor that does a very good job - although not ne-
arly as good. JPEG will even be able to compress GIF, which is already an 
encoded file format.

Hands up those of you who can read JPEGs - can we also get uncompressors 
on the FTP machibe for UNIX flavours, PC, Mac and Amiga?

>I promise to be impartial as I managed not to be in any photos *grin*. 
>Permission would of course be sought from anyone appearing if
>identifiable :-). 

Whoever wants to set up the goddamn ftp site had better tell me soon 
though, the images are currently languishing in our fileserver at work 
in a directory I'm not supposed to have ;-) and I hear Goliath:SYS getting 
ready to proclaim "Almost out of disk space" soon...

Clive
(Novell_Network_Superusers_R_Us)

[Techno-weeny mode OFF:]

+---------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
| The more straight people I meet, the more I |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| love horses....                             |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:01:26 EDT

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
> much summed up the feeling for me, "If somebody feels really good about who 
> they are, they don't feel threatened by what other people are."  I think it's
> a cool quote... definitely one to add to one of my .sigs. :)


Oooh, that *is* a good one.



No, I haven't found BAON.  Still searching.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Eeek, lemmings! (no bi content)
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cix.memo.608848
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[In article <JCR_MURD.92Sep2180257@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> 
jcr_murd@csd.bristol-poly.ac.uk (Justin Murdock) writes:]

>I have never played for more than four hours at a time, so that must
>prove that I was not addicted.

After four hours I think Lemmings should come with a sanity cut out 
with a polite, but firm message like "do some work - Damnit" every 
time it's played for this period of time

>Has anybody ported it for X windows yet? ;-)

Well, It's out next month on the Mac, and as I can run A/UX or MachTen 
and Mac sessions under A/UX... er, no.


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| My photies of Norwich are back (huraaahhh)   |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| I accientally used slides      (boooooooo)   |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Perverse Machines (no bi content)
Summary: We're not kidding when we say "No bi content"
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:27:01 GMT

In article <memo.595616@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
|[david parsons writes:]
|> Who's actually a Unix bigot, but becomes attached to
|> the ball and chain he's been lugging around.
|Yeah, and the daft thing is EVERYONE thinks Unix will be the panacea for
|all our ills.

   Not everybody;  if everybody agreed, then there'd be no argument, and
no (shudder) Microsoft Windows, (gag) Gem, or (projectile vomit) Amigados.
I'll not mention that Mac 'cause I don't use it, though the large collection
of managers in my office who just won't read mail unless they can get it on
their Macs are making me much less enthusiastic about the computer for the
rest of us.

|Me? I never trust a computer unless it smiles at me when I
|switch it on.... even if it is a NeXT.

   Someone should burn a eprom for a PC video card to make it bring up some
macish smiley face, or an amiga checkmark. And then they could keep a
tallyboard to mark down how many amigaphiles and mac users see it, have
heart failure, and die.  It's probably not recommended if you're the only
PC user in your circle of friends, though.

                 __
   david parsons \/ who should crosspost this to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,
		    alt.conspiracy, and talk.bizarre
From: dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:00:15 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

> >elf@halcyon.com (Omaha Sternberg) writes:
> >
> >  [...]. Jealosy is the product of insecurity...
> >If a relationship has trust - it becomes insignificant. In piglet's case,
> >where she isn't in a long term stable relationship - it will exist.
> 
> I don't really see length of time in the relationship as the 
> determining factor.  For me, it's careful selection of partners,
> and honesty that do the trick.

I notice that the emotion I normally label jealousy only comes up when I
come in contact with an individual that encourages/provokes growth... by
physical age I am an adult. in many areas of my life I could be described
as being successful... however, my emotive ability/skill is very young so
I gravitate to those able to draw out my emotion.

because my emotions are on the youngish side, jealousy used to occur when
a lover needed some... experience that I could not provide... and desired or 
needed, to go outside our relationship to create the experience. after a while
though I realized that jealousy, and it's attending tense situations that
occurred as I attempted control, is the only activity that would separate
me from those that I love, desire and need.

for me careful selection and honest communication is essential. careful
selection, for me, means simply following my intuition. if I engage my
head-brain or ignore intuitive warnings, that I discount because they 
have no logical (mental) basis, I usually end up in undesirable situations.
honest communication is a constant, willed choice for me. my childhood
education included all manner of messages designed to destroy honest
communication, so I have to work at communicating. 

when I do flow with my intuition and ignore my internal dialog (that suggests
I "not communicate just this once") my relationships are satisfying. over the
years I've taught myself to laugh at my habitual behaviour. this does much to
send the demon jealousy howling into the night. :-)
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Too late
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:40:33 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

Well, having finally got to the end of soc.bi it's far too late for me to
post anything substantial of my own about Norwich. Normal space is beginning
to impinge on me too - hiding lots of things again including shaved legs and
armpits.

Owen (no I didn't cross-dress at Norwich; maybe next year though)
From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew Jude Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lemmings!
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:25:10 GMT
	<1992Aug27.164224.23357@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<1992Aug28.015948.49569@ccvax.ucd.ie>
	<JCR_MURD.92Sep2180257@csd.brispoly.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak1.doc.ic.ac.uk
In-reply-to: jcr_murd@csd.bristol-poly.ac.uk's message of 2 Sep 92 18:02:57 GMT

>In article <JCR_MURD.92Sep2180257@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> jcr_murd@csd.bristol-poly.ac.uk (Justin Murdock) writes:
>Eeek, lemmings!
>
>I have never played for more than four hours at a time, so that must
>prove that I was not addicted.

Ha! to that ...

>Has anybody ported it for X windows yet? ;-)

Please no. I lack a life too severely as it is ...

Now, if someone would port Elite ... that's a game I wasted my teenage
years on ...

-Matt [who gets a terrible sadistic joy out of playing Lemmings ...]

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