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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby refusing bottle
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:08:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I woiuldn't worry about it too much, unless you have to go back
to work or something.  My kids followed about the same pattern --
they took a bottle for a few weeks then never again.  With my first
I was really upset adn tried everything to get him to take a bottle.
But like you said, he would just wait it out until I got back.

It's really no big deal.  If I go out, I just nurse the baby first
and if it's going to be more than three hours I leave baby food (this
only works after six months or so).  With three kids I don't think
it's the baby keeping us home at this point.  If we want to go out
we usualy wait until after bedtime anyway/

And I don't think refusing the bottle correlates with late weaning.
My boys pretty much weaned themselves around a year, by which time
they were taking whatever fluids they needed from a cup.

So try not to sweat it.  It won't last long.

		--  maggie

PS  The only person who ever got Anna to take a bottle was the lady
across the street who bottlefed her baby from birth.  She got her
to take like six ounces.  But it was a fluke and it never happened again!

-- 
				--scott douglass
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From: ri0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Iswara)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:28:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UemT7Bm00Xs3446lgM
	<1992Sep28.180113.4039@nwnexus.WA.COM>
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>    "As part of traditional cultural practices, between 20 and 74
> MILLION African, Indonesian and Malaysian females, mostly young girls,
> go through some sort of gential mutilation every year."  -
> International Women and Health Resource Guide.
> 
>    "In some sections of Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia and among certain
> Muslim groups, removal of the clitoral hood or, more extremely, the
> entire clitoris, is still performed today, usually a a part of the
> ritual passage into womanhood." - Khattab, A. A.  "Anti-Female
> Circumcision," (editorial) _Sexuality Today_, volume 6, pgs 1-3.
> 
>    Just thought I should make this clear.
> 
>          Elf !!!

This is interesting. If I read this correctly female circumcision is part
of ritual passage into womanhood. How come none of my relatives ever get to
be invited to the celebration? Why only MALE circumcision that is cele-
brated and used as a mark that the boy is not a child anymore? BTW, I'm 
from Indonesia if you are interested. Most of the people living in my 
neigborhood are Moslem and have the money to give out the parties that
should go with a circumcision. The only one I've ever heard of is a MALE
one. Oh, and I have *lots* of relatives.

Richard
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: "Destructive curiosity" [4yo]
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:30:54 GMT

Well, I hate to post yet another question about my son, but he is
doing things that strain my abilities at creative parenting, and I was
hoping for some net.help.

My son is very bright (despite the speech problem).  He has an
amazing curiousity, and *loves* to try and figure out how things
work.  We have done several "experiments" together, spent hours
poring over Macauley's "The way things work", explained many things
to him, taken him to science museums to try things out, etc., and
he just can't get enough of it.

So our real problem is how to teach him judgment in what he tries
to do himself.  We have had several instances where he has done
destructive things in an effort to figure something out.  For
example, the other night he found a sharp-ish object (one of those
picks to get the nut part out of a walnut) and decided to "experiment"
with how easy it was to poke holes in things.  He made quite a few
holes before I discovered the problem, confiscated the object, and 
administered an appropriate consequence.  Last weekend, after watching
his dad work on fixing something, he managed to pry off some molding
along the porch wall with his (plastic!) screwdriver.  He is constantly
trying to press buttons and fiddle with different things when he thinks
noone is looking -- fortunately his room and his playroom are both
fairly fiddle-proof or I would be going nuts.  He has also taken
apart many things that have wing nuts and such, leaving us with a
set of pieces on the floor.

Now, I have some ways that I am dealing with this.  We have a rule
in the house that he can't experiment unless he describes the experiment
to mommy or daddy first, and they say OK.  But I was wondering, do
any of you all have suggestions for good consequences?  Right now,
I start with telling him that it's his job to put it back together or
fix it -- when he gets too frustrated (he can never fix things!) then
he can ask for help.  We also exact the time that it takes for *us*
to finish the job in having him do odd jobs around the house that *are*
within his capabilities (he is very capable!).  And there are a few
other things, too ...

Anyhow, I am going nuts?  How *do* you teach a kid judgment without
killing the underlying curiosity?

-- Misty
From: gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do kids need to see this?
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:32:53 GMT
Organization: UB

I thought a lot about this story, because I was very disturbed by it but 
couldn't at first figure out why.  It's got to be more than the simple
fact of children unexpectedly (by them or the parents) seeing something
scary that parents may not have been intending to explain yet.  The ads
are very different from the abortion rallies that the original poster
told of running into during a children's expedition at the mall, even
though the rallies led to similar questions.  But they were not aimed at 
the children (at least the posting did not sugggest anything more than 
two public events that happened to coincide).

Why were the ads shown?  *Ostensibly* to persuade people to vote for
the candidate.  But obviously that is not the real purpose, otherwise
they would have been shown when people of voting age were more likely 
to be watching.  So what's the *real* reason?  It must be to force
parents to discuss abortion with their children and perhaps, thereby,
to examine their own positions.

Now I happen to think this is very important thing for parents to do, 
especially pro-choice parents, just as it is good for parents
to talk to their kids about, say, factory farming, especially if they
eat meat.  But people outside the family do NOT have the right to force 
parents to do so!  The parents' right to bring up their children as they
see fit is, to my mind, one of the most important.  It's not absolute,
of course, but it's very broad.  Violations of this right are even
more objectionable when they involve upsetting (I need a much stronger
word, but I can't think of one) the children.  (What about the children 
who are scared by the ads and dont's talk to anyone about it?!)

These ads are taking advantage of a regulation about election advertising
in order to pursue a goal other than that which the regulations are
designed to protect, and they do so by deliberately manipulating children,
despite the anguish it may cause them.  I sympathize with what I take to
be the goal of the advertiser, but pursuing it in this manner is morally
indefensible.

Anne-Marie

-- 
===============================================================================
Anne-Marie K. Gorman          Sophie and Teresa (9 months old) are standing and
Human factors/ergonomics      cruising!  Time flies twice as fast when you're
University at Buffalo         having twice as much fun.
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Summary: will this really be a problem?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:14:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL

In article <1992Oct3.153214.25705@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> Okay, in all fairness, my wife read me the newspaper story today, and it
> seems that the offending statement about math class is only *one* of about
> *200* possible things that the Barbies can say.  Apparently each Barbie is
> randomly programmed with four of those 200 possible phrases and even the
> people at Mattel don't know which ones say what.
> 

If each Barbie only says 4 different things, is she really
worth the $15-$25 that she costs?  Wouldn't talking Barbie
get boring real fast?  Having a unique 4-phrase vocabulary
just doesn't seem to lead to much creative potential.

For that matter, the talking dolls of my youth which spoke
when a string was pulled also got dull pretty fast.

It seems like Mattel is going to benefit in the long run from
all the free publicity this controversy is generating.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Why am I so big?
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:47:07 GMT

Suddenly I have SO many questions that I want to discuss with all you
experienced people.  Discovering this group has been one of the best things
to happen during this pregnancy, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it even more when
I have zillions of questions about my new baby.

My husband has been saying for the last 6 weeks ago that I seem to big (for
my date).  I chalked it up to his own inexperience - he's never been so close
to a really pregnant lady.  I am of average weight and build, and I have not
gained too much weight (26 pounds in 32 weeks).  Uterus measurements were 
also always right on the money, but last 2 appointments were about 2 cm ahead
of schedule.  Well, last night we went to our Bradley class, and virtually
everyone commented on how much I had "grown" in the last 3 weeks.  Indeed, I
have to agree that I look larger than a classmate due the same day with twins!
This all got me rather worried, so we went home and measured, and by our
non-expert estimate my uterus is the size of 36 weeks, not 32.

I looked through my books, but none of them really addresses this.  "What to
expect..." seemed to suggest two possibilities: (1) twins, or (2) excess
amniotic fluid.  Although it is always possible, twins seems very unlikely.
We had an ultrasound and amnio at 15 weeks, I have not been overly large
most of the pregnancy, and I have only ever been aware of one baby moving.
All my books suggest that twins are almost always diagnosed quite early by
one means or another.  That leaves the additional possibility of excess amniotic
fluid.  None of my literature discusses this.  What is it, and what does it
mean?  Is is just a fluke, or something to worry about?  Hubbie suggested a
third possibility - a very big kid - but that seems excessive for this early.
Or is it?  I have eaten healthfully and exercised throughout, so a somewhat
large baby would not surprise me.  I passed my glucose test no problem, nor
has there ever been sugar in my urine.  

I have an appt in the next few days, so I'll get the expert opinion then,
but meanwhile I wonder if anyone has any experience or information about any
of this?  Or is there just a wide range of variation, and people are just
being rude (my opinion anyway).  Can you imagine commenting on someone's
body shape if they WEREN'T pregnant?  I can see it now: "You are HUGE!  WHAT
have you been eating?  Did you swallow a watermelon whole?" and on and on.

Advice and opinions heartily welcome.  Who else out there is due in November?

Marilyn
mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: jiangh@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Howard C Jiang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:27:17 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <MelptXC00WB_MiHIYk@andrew.cmu.edu> ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.sex: 28-Sep-92 Re: Female "Circumcision" by
>Howard C Jiang@helium.ga 
>> Seems to me that both responses are insensitive, but opinionated, so how can
>> they be inappropriate?
>
>How can the first comment be inappropriate? Because his facts are wrong
>as one reader/poster already pointed out. If you're going to post, at
>least have some facts to back up a factual comment. If your post is all
>opinion, then there's no reason to back it up.
>
>What does this mean about my post. It's all opinion.

Oh, ok. So the next time someone else says that your facts are wrong (for any
arbitrary topic), then your posts would be inappropriate also.. that's my entire
point! NOTHING is inappropriate! Everything is opinionated! (Well, almost
everything...) If i'm going to post, it means that I don't wish to write a
@%$#%$#$#&^$^%$#%$#@$#@$#@#$#%^$# 1,000 page documented paper, thus, if i'm
only making a comment, I do not NEED any facts.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Skipping grade 4?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:52:53 GMT

>In article <3310@isgtec.isgtec.com> Mike Sellers, mike@isgtec.com writes:
>>Oh, one other thing:  His birthday is December 4.  In Oregon, that was 
>>after the cut-off for the next grade up, but here in Canada, the cut-off 
>>is December 31, so other kids his age are also in 5th grade.  
>

My parents moved around quite a bit when I was growing up, and because of
that, my education was all over the place.  When we lived in France,
I was working at my own pace, and had advanced beyond all the 5th
grade materials.  When we got to Ottowa for the next school year, I was
in a 6th grade classroom for two weeks, and it was pretty obvious that
I did not belong there.  The school people wanted to promote me two 
grades, but my paresnts said no because they were concerned about
my social development.... HA!  I was the only American at this small
private school, and everyone knew that I had been promoted from
6th to 7th, and kids made fun of me because they were jealous.  People
said some really unbeleiveable things to me, and I just basically kept
my mouth shut.  It was a highly difficult time socially between
being the American brain and the onset of puberty. 

Howevere, because I wasn't promoted two grades, as the school felt
I should, I spent the remainsder of the year completely bored.  I
had seen it all and done it all before.  Looking back, I would much
rather have been moved up two grades, since I took the flack for it
anyweay from the other kids.  We moved on to Vancouver for the next
academic year, so I left all that stuff behind anyway. 

The place where you run into problems isn't so much elementary school.
but college.  I am a January baby, so your son would be about the same
age when he starts school.  By the time I got to college, I was
totally adjusted to the idea of being slightly younger than my
classmates.  However, I would never have been ready for college at the
age of 16.  A cousin of mine finished high school at 16, and what she
did was take a year after high school to attend a college prep
school in England, then she went to Bryn Mawr.  During that year
away from home, she got to travel and see a lot fo things she wouldn't
have toherwise (she visted us in France), but she also got some
time to mature before going to college and dealing with the pressures
of deciding on a major/career.
From: aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: University of Victoria
Date:  6 Oct 92 15:20:36 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <aidler.718329845@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>>In the past year in B.C. we have endured strikes by school teachers,
>>nurses, doctors, and hospital workers all claiming to be acting
>>in "our" (the public's) interest.
>>As soon as the government found some more money for them (except
>>the doctors who still haven't settled), they decided the "system"
>>was all better.

>Thanks for sharing.  I don't see what the peculiarities of the BC public
>sector has to do with the effective treatment of ADD.

How do doctors make their living?
(By diagnosing illnesses and prescribing treatments.)
The words and hypocritical actions of these professionals
cause me to question whenever they recommend something
"in my interest."

Anyone can see that there is a huge medical industry
in Canada and the U.S.A.  Medical doctors, nurses, and
pharmaceutical conglomerates, etc. are all involved.
Their objective is to form a monopoly by excluding
all medical alternatives: naturopaths, chiropractic,
midwives, etc.

I stress monopoly because medical doctors want their
prominence protected by law by refusing allow patients
the freedom to choose their medical care.
The Canada National Health Act (our socialized health
insurance program) excludes any practitioner not
recognized by the doctors' medical associations.
Europeans have been much less gullible in accepting
the absolute authority of medical doctors.

A IDLER

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Keywords: what did you do?
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:34:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ticipa.1992Sep29.163433.1753
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <1992Sep22.164010.1077@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:
>In article <iqDqqB3w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>> 
>> > OK, here's a question for you moms and moms-to-be:
>> > Rings.  Especially wedding/engagment/bridal sets.  I am 20
>> > weeks pregnant and much to my dismay, just had to take off my
>> > bridal set......it was getting tighter and tighter, then I
>> > was having trouble getting if off, then it was *really* stuck,
>> > but managed to get it off, and it won't be going on again.
>> > What I want to know, just out of curiousity, how many had this problem
>> > and what you did (just took them off, wore a replacement, or got them
>> > made bigger).
>> >
>> > Thanks.....
>> >
>> > Christine
>> > mom-2-b in Jan. '93
>
>Hi,
>
>I put them away and wore a different ring that I had that was
>slightly larger.  After a while that didn't fit either, so I
>just stopped wearing rings.  It does feel wierd to be so pregnant
>and not be wearing your "I'm married" badge, doesn't it?  I wouldn't
>buy a replacement or have my rings resized.  You may find this hard
>to believe at this point, especially if this is your first baby,
>but this pregnancy is going to end and your hands will be their
>normal size again.
>
>Kate Perkins

Really?  Promise?  I had my baby 4 months ago now.  And though
the scales say I've lost all of the weight & then some, I still
can't get my wedding rings back on.  My knuckles seem larger.
I guess I'll get them resized soon now.

Elise.
From: ibe1109@draper.com (Ira Ekhaus)
Subject: baby backpacks
Organization: Draper Laboratory, Inc., Cambridge, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:54:30 GMT


Hello,

We recently bought a Gerry baby backpack. 
Although I'm happy with it,  my wife cannot use it. 

Even with careful adjustment (additional pointers welcome)
we cannot get the hip pads to take a majority of the weight. 

Are there any success stories out there that involve proper
adjustment or a different brand  of babypack?


thanks,

Ira
ekhaus@draper.com
Phone: 617 258 1109
Draper Laboratories m.s. 7c
555 Technology Square
Cambridge , MA 
02139
From: isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:46:17 GMT

Elf Sternberg (elf@halcyon.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep29.021646.26398@nuscc.nus.sg>
:      isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) writes:
: 
: >1.  When is this "Guide" dated ?
: 
:    It's updated every year; my copy is from 1984.
: 

U still have not answered my full Question ....

: >3.  WHo is this "Khattab" ? An african, Indonesian or Malaysian ?
: 
:    Egyptian.
:

So I see ... he is one of those African too ... did he say any
such operation in his OWN country ?
 
:    Yes, I know perfectly well where Indonesia and Malaysia are.  Unlike
: most Americans, I keep a world map on my wall and I do look at it from
: time to time.  If I _don't_ know where someplace is, I look it up.
:

Well ... I am "impressed" !
 
: <>   "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Wilson Reagan
:
True ! If u are ignorant of them ....  

:          Elf !!!

Nice talking to u !


George ;)
From: sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Stacey Curtis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nostalgia TV (was Nostalgia toys)
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:17:00 GMT
     <9689@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> <1992Oct3.023111.29527@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
     <1992Oct2.204042.10140@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <9689@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Vicki Powers,
vicki@mathcs.emory.edu writes:
>Okay, 'fess up, any other women reading this who wanted to be Marcia
Brady?  
>I know I did!

No, I wanted to be Sabrina in Bewitched, Jeannie in I Dream of Jeanie,
the eldest daughter (I forget her name, was it Judy?, she was in love
with Dan?) in Lost in Space, or Ginger in Gilligans Island.  I was really
nuts over  "The  Banana Splits" show, Anyone remember that?  Ah, memories.

Stacey.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: baby backpacks
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:47:55 GMT

The *Tough Traveller* backpack (the more expensive model) is a good unit  
that I've been quite satisfied with.  One thing impressive about it is that  
the designers came up with the only *quickly* adjustable back height  
adjustment I've ever seen on a backpack; this is important because Mom & Dad  
are seldom the same height. 

I made some useful modifications to the pack.

Most important:  I made the child's shoulder restraint straps easily  
adjustable by attaching them with plastic ladder buckles (the same kind as  
found on the shoulder harness straps).  This way, you can quickly loosen  
them each time you lift the child out.  I also replaced the "male" half of  
the child's black plastic waist-strap buckle with an identical day-glo one;   
this makes it a lot easier to locate in a hurry.

I also opened the seam on the cargo pocket and sewed in some straps with  
which to tie it to the frame so it doesn't bounce against the frame and make  
an infernal racket.

Some kind of bottle pocket that the child can reach would be helpful, but I  
couldn't find a way to do it.

The pack is woefully short of cargo capacity, so it's helpful to sew on  
extra pockets for water bottles and small items like wallets, car keys, etc.

If the pack squeaks, pull out the frame and wrap teflon plumber's tape  
around the top of the frame to lubricate it.

The newer models have an improved rain cover/sun shade;  the earlier model  
was pretty bogus.

Don't feed children anything remotely chokable while you're carrying them on  
your back because it's hard to watch them.

Some kind of bulky blanket is helpful to prop up the child's head when she  
falls asleep.

I used to carry my daughter to the park by myself and found it necessary to  
have all mittens, hats, etc. tied on with idiot strings if I didn't want to  
turn around and backtrack a mile to look for them.

Unfortunately, I have discovered that it IS possible to put a 3 year-old  
piggy-back on top of a 50 lb. pack as long as the trail is not stumbly (ooh,  
my aching neck...)