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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:45:31 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep30.232725.28392@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>>: The Earth Pig Bourne....
>>Btw Nadja, is infibulation is practiced in ur area ?

>Only by Muslim immigrants.

I apologize. It turns out that Coptic immigrants also practice it.
Good day.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com (Holly Hendricks)
Subject: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Reply-To: hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com
Organization: DEC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:03:21 GMT


An excellent introduction to ADD for a layperson is
Sally Smith's "No Easy Answers, the Learning Disabled
Child at Home and at School".  Most bookstores can order
it, but it's not often found on the shelves.  It's a $5
paperback.

It is full of references and resources.  It's a very
affirming book for parents, teachers, and people who
have ADD because it takes a lot of the
behaviors out of the realm of frustrations, judgements,
and aggravations on the interpersonal level, and helps
put them in the context of what it's like to *be* the
ADD person, and how parents and teachers can realistically
help an ADD person.

I wrote a long paper on Adults with LDs when I was in grad
school back in 84; I'd be happy to talk with people via
email about getting you a copy if you want to send me an 8.5x11 
SASE with enough postage for 30 pages.  It's a little out
of date, but still quite useful and full of references.

[One of the reasons this interests me is that I am a 
40 year old successful professional who appeared to be destined 
for high school dropout status (in spite of a very high IQ) 
due to ADD (they called it MBD or minimal brain dysfunction 
back in the 50s), hyperactivity, and the numerous emotional 
problems that go along with that.  I was on dexedrine for years, 
and was a very unhappy child in school.

Working through this, finding out how I learned effectively, 
and becoming a strong advocate on my own behalf so that I could 
succeed has been as great a source of satisfaction for me as 
anything could be.]

Holly
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From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:28:06 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep28.175711.24303@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
><lots of stuff about a 4 year old's lack of ambition deleted.....>
>Up to about 4th grade, I insisted I wanted to be a teacher.
>Now I'm a software engineer.

When Kate was 2.5 she announced that  she had made a decision on her
career.  She was going to be a poet and a rock-climber.  When I asked
her what she was going to do for money to live on, she thought for
about 30 seconds and said "Oh, I'll just pick up aluminum cans by the
road and sell them back to Safeway!"  Sounded just fine to me.

One of her first assignments in first grade was to make a list of the
5 best things to be when you grow up.  Heading the list was Mom,
then came in no particular order: teacher, nurse, sewer (as in
seamstress), and, writer 
My first reaction was one of relief that my past career of chef didn't
make the list, then a large twinge of disappointment that my intended
career of computer engineer didn't make it, then delight as I realized
just what jobs had real value in her mind!

>My 2nd-grader wants to be a "Train Driver".  He chose this
>profession because he a) likes trains b) won't need college
>for it and c) thinks they don't do anything but sit in the
>locomtive and look out the window and apply brakes once in

When I returned to school full-time after being a stay at home mom for
nearly 4 years, Kate was not too thrilled with the new arrangement.
Her father tried to explain to her how I was studying to be a computer
engineer and wasn't that a neat thing for mommy to be doing?  Kate's
rely was "I think it's a dumb thing to do!" "Why?" "Well, for one
thing, we don't even *have* a train!"
-nvv
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:51:11 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <c8922369.717743465@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au> c8922369@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Leon James Garde) writes:
>scylla@ziggys.cts.com (Pam Matthews)  619/262-6384 writes:
>
>>schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:

>  The documentary showed brief clips of actual ritual female circumcision,
>  and the story a young (African) girl, whose Grandmother took her
>  from Uk to Africa, for a holiday.  So the issue isnt just about
>  bizzare rituals practiced in backwards corners of the globe. It could
>  happen to a neighbour near you.

Yes, it can. A friend of mine's parents are from the Phillipines. When she
was in her late pre-teen years, her parents sent her to visit her grandparents.
She was infibulated while there, against her parents wishes because her
grandfather was afraid she would not make a good marriage otherwise.
Her parents did not learn of this until it was over and done.

She is now in her mid-30s.

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Survival Video
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:26:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

  <stuff about husband watching gorefest films, worried about kids>

I don't doubt your husband is not as grossed out by carnography as you
are; and he's probably even right if he's thinking that your children
will become less grossed out by it over time if they happen to watch it.

The question becomes, is this a good thing?  Is becoming calloused to 
blood, guts, and suffering desirable?  Shouldn't the sight of such things
always repel us and trip the alarm that something truly awful and cata-
strophic has just gone down?  Don't we lose this at a cost to our humanity?

A survivalist view is that yes, since there's plenty of this kind of thing
in real life, one might as well get tough about it just to get by.  Perhaps;
I guess I've just never seen where hardheartedness and insensitivty ever
led to anything desirable.

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paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:16:10 GMT

Marsh (bunny@bsu-cs.bsu.edu) wrote:
: 
: I just want a healthy little girl who'll be able to live a good life
: without serious years of counseling to survive in this culture.  We
: do, BTW, plan to keep her African name and give her a middle name and
: let her choose when she's older.  She'll probably be approximately
: 4-5 years old when we get her, age can't be too specific.  We're
: possibly going to get a child from Malaysia and we won't have any clear
: details on the adoption for another 4 mos. (we need to be screened,
: approved by the Malaysian gov't, select a transporter, wait for HIV
: testing, etc, etc.).
: 
: Tracy Flynn-Marsh

Hi Tracy

Let me make this clear ....

1.   MALAYSIA is NOT in Africa ! Check up your geography book, world
map, etc ....

2.   Malaysia is LOCATED in Asia ( South East Asia ) ...
Majority of the native is Muslim .... I believe NO such operation
is performed !

3.   Malaysia is now contending to be the 5th Dragon of Asia
( the foursome are Taiwan, Korea, Singapore & Hong Kong )
, the people there are relatively rich & are facing labour
shortage .  Hence  I doubt you will be able to adopt any child
from there.  Beware of illegal adoption where the child is
stolen!

george ( from Singapore, a neighbour of Malaysia )

 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amy Slankard)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:11:18 GMT

newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:

>she taught a little girl named feh-mallie.  well, that is how
>her name was pronounced.  the girls parents were immigrants who
>spoke little/no english.  the little girl was born in a providence
>hospital.  when the attendants wheeled the little girl in her
>bassinet in to her mother's room, the mother was honored to see
>that the hospital had already named her daughter!  on the i.d.
>card and bracelet, she saw "<last name>, female".

A woman I used to work with had a sister in pharmacy school.  Part of her
graduation requirement was to do some volunteer type work in  a hospital.
While she was working there, a not so educated woman happened to overhear
her OB/GYN talking to a nurse or doctor after the birth of her daughter.
She heard the doctor say something she thought was so beautiful she 
decided to name her daughter that, hence there is a little girl out there
somewhere name Placenta. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: laj6t@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Leigh Ann Johnson)
Subject: Re: National Conference on Attention Deficit Disorder to be Held in Chicago
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:29:08 GMT

I am very interested in ADD.  My fiancee has it as does his
younger brother.  Although Jon, my fiancee, has an I.Q of about
145, he is having trouble in his studies at the University of
Virginia.  If anyone could give information, or send me in a
general direction where I could find out more about ADD, I
would appreciate it.  It does not have to be the "latest" in
research, but that would serve me in two ways if it was.  I am
also interested in doing a term paper on ADD.
				Thanks!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Post-partum blues: Reproduction ends for me
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:04:59 GMT

Today I saw my OB for the last time, for my post-partum check.  I knew
it was going to me really difficult for me to say goodbye, but I just
didn't fathom how upset I was going to feel.  I have been in tears all
afternoon.  I think knowing that the focus of my life for the past 
8 years (getting and staying pregnant, and delivering a healthy baby) is
finally over.  At 40, with brand new twins, I have no intention of ever
getting pregnant again, and now all of a sudden I feel directionless.
Even with 2 5-week old babies, it doesn't seem like II have a direction.

I am willing to accept a hormonal explanation for the tears, but what
I want to know is, have other women experienced such a letdown about
the end of their reproductive careers?  I am especially interested in
those of you who had serious infertility problems that made conception
a long and arduous road.  Did you feel like you were set adrift after that
last OB appointment?  How long did it take you to get over the disappoinment
and emptiness?

Saying goodbye to my OB was one of the saddest things I have done in
a very long time.  It was almost funerial.  I really loved her, and
we got along so well.  When she hugged me in the hall it was all I 
could do not to totally break down and weep.  Because I know I am not
going to ever be pregnant again, does this seem like a severe over-reaction,
or am I just normally upset by a major life change?  I really want to
know if I should be worrying here!

Could you please send responses by email.  I am just to busy to read the
net these days (and I do miss it so, but will get back to it in a month
when I actually attempt to go back to work) but I do log on to read email
at least once a day.

BTW, babies are doing spectacularly well.  Graham has gained 3 lbs 7 oz
in the 5 weeks since birth, and Gemma has gained 2 lbs, 11.5 oz as well.
They are very alert and happy babies, totally gorgeous and pleasant, and
are sleeping in 4 to 5 hour chunks at night starting this week!  I 
thank the lord every day for them, and even with a bit of gastric distress
(thanks god for mylicon drops) they are the greatest entertainment
in my life.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Marjorie	mrp@world.std.com
Mum to Graham and Gemma, age 5.5 weeks and growing

Xref: sparky misc.kids:25327 soc.singles:27108 soc.men:17393
From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles,soc.men
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:18:33 GMT
Organization: Trivializers R Us

[originally posted to kids, singles]
In article <1992Oct5.194936.946@varian.com> susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman) writes:
>In article <LOWRY.92Oct4152902@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>>Also note that this isn't just a women's thing.  Imagine a G.I.  Joe
>>doll saying "I don't like poetry."  Mightn't that make it just a
>>little bit easier for a boy to dismiss poetry?
>What I can't imagine is a protest against such a doll.  So what if
>little boys don't like poetry?  They won't make a lot of money with it
>anyway.{:-) I don't see much discontent with boys' stereotypes.  
>But then my step-son won't read a story with a female
>protagonist unless he's forced to in school, either...

Perhaps this is a problem. Why doesn't anyone seem to voice much
discontent with boys' stereotypes? Why shouldn't there be a protest
against a G.I. Joe doll that says "I don't like poetry"? As a matter
of fact, why is it that G.I. Joe, a soldier, is considered the male
counterpart to Barbie, a more-or-less generic young woman?

Many of the men currently on the net are among those who were
damaged by the stereotypes that said boys didn't do "sissy things"
like reading poetry (or being good in school, or not playing
football, etc). If we're really concerned that the next generation
of men doesn't grow up locked into career ruts and away from their
families, I'd think there would be a lot of protests.

paul
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Re: How to get your child take medicine?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:31:31 GMT


The way I get my 15 mo old to take medicine is to distract him with something.
I have this little ceramic bell-figurine that he is fascinated with. So, I
put him in his high chair, give him something to play with, and just feed
it to him on a spoon a little at a time. Usually I'm giving him antibiotic
suspension which doesn't taste that bad. I think he really doesn't mind
the taste, but has to object on principle! When he's distracted, he doesn't
mind taking it at all.

Just something to try! (YMMV)

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| (mommy to Sean, 15 mo.)																	how many, many feet you meet!"   |
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From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hazards -- Co-workers child dies
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:41:07 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division


This is a sad post, but I thought it might be worth posting so the others
can consider the safety of their own children.

From the Denver Post: (without permission)

A 10-month-old girl was run over and killed in the alley behind her home 
yesterday.

The infant, identified as Lilly Wilkins of < address deleted > Florence 
(Colorado) was apparently crawling in a dirt driveway shortly after 3 p.m.
when she was struck by the right front tire of a 1984 Ford Escort driven by
Todd Wayne Sater, 24, of Colorado Springs, according to the Colorado State
Patrol.

Sater turned into the alley between Colorado 115 and West Second Stree and
then turned right again into the driveway, the report said.  He was distracted
by two other children in the yard on his left as he drove into the yard,
and he didn't see the 10-month-old crawling in the driveway to his right.

The infant suffered head injuries.  She was rushed by ambulance to St. Thomas
More Hospital in Canon City, where she was pronounced dead, the patrol said.

--------------------

The childs mother is a co-worker of mine.  I did not know her very well, but
I talked to her often in the restroom as she pumped milk.  The driver of
the car is the mother's son-in-law.  This has really shook me up.  I
shudder everytime I think of the alley behind our house and the time I 
looked out and saw Ryan on the edge of the alley (in our parking area) and
my husband watching him, but too far away to grab him if a car came by
too fast.

PLEASE, watch your kids and remember how quickly they can get into 
dangerous places.  I don't know all the circumstances surrounding this
tragedy so I won't even speculate.  

-- Susan Davis
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Reply-To: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:13:16 GMT

There has been so much talk about letting children know that
they can do and be anything, I just couldn't resist posting
this song.  It is by a folk singer and may not be for everyone
but it has always been very powerful for me.

(I am writing it from memory, so some of the words may
be wrong)

EVERYTHING POSSIBLE 
by Fred Small

We`ve cleared off the table, the leftovers saved,
Washed the dishes and put them away.
I've told you a story, and tucked you in tight 
At the end of your knock-about day
As the moon sets its sail to carry you to sleep
over the midnight sea
I will sing you a song no one sang to me
may it keep you good company

You can be anybody you want to be
You can love whomever you will
You can travel any contry where your heart leads
And know I will love you still
You can live by yourself
You can gather friends around
You can choose one special one
And the only measure of your words and your deeds
will be the love you leave behind when your done

Some girls will grow up strong and bold
Some boys quiet and kind
Some race on ahead
Some follow behind
Some go in their own way and time
Some women love women
Some men love men
Some raise children
Some never do
You can dream all the day never reaching the end
of everything possible for you.

Don't be rattled by names
By taints, by games
But seek out the spirits true
If you give your friends the best part of yourself
They will give the same back to you

You can be anybody you want to be
You can love whomever you will
You can travel any contry where your heart leads
And know I will love you still
You can live by yourself
You can gather friends around
You can choose one special one
And the only measure of your words and your deeds
will be the love you leave behind when your done


-- 

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   | Software Support Specialist(Lisp) Receptionist: (617) 290-0710          |
From: newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: need child safety products
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:00:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

hey all you parents out there

well the time has come for some major child-proofing...fast!
we have already found the standard outlet plugs and table-corner-
bumper things but i am looking in particular for two items that
i can't seem to find.

i swear i saw these in some catalog once but now i can't find the
catalog.  one thing is a protective bumper to go around a raised
hearth.  the other thing is some kind of gizmo that won't let a
bambino yank a lamp off the table by its cord.  can anyone point
me at the right source for these things?

thanks!
veek
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: craig@osh3.OSHA.GOV (Craig Nordin)
Subject: Re: How to get son more career-minded? : -) :-)
Organization: U.S. D.O.L - Occupational Safety & Health Admin.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 15:01:01 GMT

In <1aa85qINNavb@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:

>So, am I the only person on the net who thinks that staying home with
>his kids has more value than writing computer games for a living????
>The little voice inside me that keeps saying I made a very poor career
>choice for myself this time around keeps growing louder and louder....
>-nvv

NO!

If I didn't have all the traditional "male" ways, I'd like to do it.

There aren't too many women who would put up with my burnt meatloaf
for more than a few months though. 

I liked being in the Army for eight years, but that pretty much changed
me into the non-domestic (I can help, but I can't lead at home -- yet!)
beast I am now.

It will be entirely possible in the future that a woman ex-commando,
fresh from the latest killing fields, with blood on her hands, will
give birth.  I think you will need a SWAT team to cover her during
post-partum depression.  

That is not to say I don't want to see absolute equal opportunity, 
but many things in the culture are going to have to change....

I figure the best I can do now is find a woman who wants to teach
me the domestic ways ( it will take a long time ) and TRY to put
me in the house for good.  I will try very hard to make it, but I
just don't know.

I like my work very much, but I know now that the homemaker is the
REAL worker.  I would be happier there.  The only way I could see
it work is lonely -- that is even worse.

Rock The Cradle, Rule The World! (to fuzz up a phrase).




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From: francis@brat.wa.com (Francis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:13:26 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

Without any apparent compassion, understanding or care (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
:In article <2739@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> bunny@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Marsh) writes:
:=>Apparently it's common custom in several African nations to remove
:=>the clitoral hood, the clitoris and some, if not all, of the labia;
:=>any/all of the above terrify us because in this society how *does* one
:=>raise a child who's been mutilated like this?
:
:Don't you know circumcision isn't mutilation?  What's good for the gander
:is good for the goose.

That is one of the most insensitive things I have ever seen on the net.

If it was good for the gander you would have little left to impress 
the geese with, Ramon.

Francis

Newsgroups: misc.kids