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From: hook@vnet.ibm.com (Gary R. Hook)
Subject: Re: First Call Concert
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:35:50 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <C19n1E.1pC9@austin.ibm.com>, bmoore@sunfish.austin.ibm.com (Bryan Moore) writes:
|> Anyway, I was kind of disappointed because the first thing I noticed
|> is that there was going to be know live band or live instruments of
|> any kind. It looked like they would be singing to a music track,
|> which to me is a real bummer.

Let's see: how much did you pay for a ticket?
When I saw them perform at Prestonwood Baptist in Dallas, I paid $7/ticket.
That hardly pays for the the overhead of a band and equipment these days.
Let's not forget that Christian groups are subject to the same restrictions
of economics as secular groups.


|> Then, when they came out, I could
|> swear that they were just lip synching, and not even singing at all.

Not!!!!

|> Now I was really bumming, I felt like leaving and complaining right
|> there. But as the show progressed, I realized that they weren't lip
|> synching, but just had amazing voices.

These people can sing!  Like very few other groups around.

|> The songs I enjoyed the
|> most were the accapello songs with no music track. I knew Marty
|> studied voice in college, and enjoyed his voice from Fireworks,
|> but never had a change to listen to and enjoy the full range of his
|> vocal talents. The two females with him were equally impressive, and
|> they vocals blended well together. Their stage presence wasn't great,
|> but was ok. The mostly older crowd found it hard to "get into" the     
|> concert...I really would have liked to have got up and danced in the
|> aisles to a couple of tunes, but felt like the crowd was a little
|> uptight.

Drag.  At the concert I saw, they danced hip-hop on stage, and had the
audience up and moving several times.  In a Baptist church, even; I loved
it :-)  :-)  Sounds like to folks in Georgetown are a bit low-key ;-)

 They played mostly songs from their latest album, I think
|> it's called "Human Touch."

"Human Song".  Very pop/hip-hop, nice production.  Lot's of the songs make
       ----
you want to move!  I like it, but I like that style of music.

IMHO, "Broken Places" is totally inspired.

|> 
|> Overall it was worth my $10, but I really wish they would have had
|> live musicians to back them up.
|> 

Too bad it cost that much for what you got.  But, again, those dollars don't
go as far as they used to.

Gary

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From: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (John R. Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Trying to find a recording of this song...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:50:55 GMT
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In article <1jp27tINNl2q@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Michael Roman <mrr1@cornell.edu> writes:
>I've trying to find a recording of the song with the following fragment:
>
>By the waters, the waters of Babylon,
>We laid down and wept, and wept for thee, Zion.
>We remember, we remember, we remember thee, Zion.
>
>I heard it in embedded in another song by Manfred Mann and the Earth Band.
>
>Mike Roman
>mrr1@cornell.edu

Those lyrics also appear in a song on Adam Again's "Ten Songs By Adam Again"
disc.  I don't know if it's the same recording you're thinking of.  I think
the A.A. song is called "Babylon."

John Warren

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From: ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater)
Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:24:35 GMT

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>In article <ecater36.727992656@ursa> ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater) writes:

>>If you want to see the closest thing you can get to Christian Existentialism
>>read a book called Ecclesiastes.

>Just a semantic quibble here.  Although the Book of Ecclesiastes has 
>elements of existentialism, I think it's a mistake to label it as 
>an existentialistic work.  Exsitentialism starts with the belief
>that one is alone is an impersonal universe, and that meaning must
>be created by the individual - close, but not exactly Solomon's 
>perspective in Ecclesiastes.  

Good point.  That's why I called it "the closest thing you can get" to an
existentialist philosophy compatable with Christianity.

>But yeah, I'll join the chorus in praise of this book.  I don't know
>if it's proper to speak of "favorite" biblical books, but I do
>know that I keep coming back to this one again and again and again.
>I'd prefer to view it as Pre-Christian Honesty, though.  Solomon
>wouldn't have been able to cut it in the CCM world.  

Do you mind if I quote that last sentance?  Great line...

>Andy Whitman
>AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>ajw@cblpn.att.com

>(who still has a hard time reading Ecclesiastes 3 without hearing The 
>Byrds' "Turn, Turn, Turn" playing in my mind)
Me too.
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From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:16:55 GMT

In article <1k2qukINNl8k@shelley.u.washington.edu> jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt) writes:
>
>>>I've heard of and read about, but not seen, a video for "Violent Blue." It
>>>was supposedly shot in a cave.
>
>>Which cave, John? Inquiring cavers *(:-) want to know?
>
>_Cornerstone_, Vol. 20, Issue 95:
>
>Steve Taylor (being interviewed): "...we did video. It was down in a cave
>about a  hundred miles south of Tennessee. You go into this narrow opening
>and down these sort of narrow tunnels, and it opens up on this huge room
>with a giant chandelier. So we set up a postapocalyptic feel. We brought
>all our friends down and had them participating in this violent feasting
>while wo played our hearts out, and they just totally ignore us. It's not
>a bad video, actually."
>
>And now you know as much as I do...

Thanks John. Sounds very much like Cumberland Caverns, which indeed feature
a large room in which has been placed a chandelier, as well as tables and
a stage. The owner, Roy Davis, incidently, is an ordained Baptist 
minister (although I don't think he has a church). Neat guy. (Actually,
its south of Nashville, but still in Tennessee). I saw some good bluegrass
there in 1981, the one and only time I was in Tennessee.

Postapolcalyptic? To a caver, I would find it more pre-Fall... (Psalms 95.4,
LB)

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Anti Gay Discrimination Laws (was TANGENT: ...)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:38:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan25.201008.1542@prpa.philips.com> ross@prpa.philips.com (Ross Morley) writes:

>>I would support a law that has this goal... although I think if a gay
>>person agrees _not_ to promote beliefs conflicting with a private
>>organization's policies, they should not be discriminated against for
>>hire.  It could get tricky, but I think it could work.

I agree (sorry I deleted your name).

>This is not only a problem with schools, but also churches and
>Christian organizations that have paid staff. A church must be free to
>choose staff that believe in the moral principles they are trying to
>promote.  When churches are forced to hire homosexual pastors, it will
>no longer be possible for Godly churches to pay their pastoral staff.

A quibble, perhaps only in semantics:  I'd like to differentiate between
practicing and non-practicing homosexuals here.  I wouldn't want a pastor
who openly advocated homosexuality and lived such a lifestyle, but I would
have no problem with a pastor who himself struggled with homosexuality but
did not live that lifestyle and did not condone its practice.  There are
some very godly men (and women) who struggle with this problem, and some of
them are even pastors.    



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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Trying to find recording of song
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:45:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1jp27tINNl2q@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> mrr1@cornell.edu (Michael Roman) writes:

>>I've trying to find a recording of the song with the following fragment:

>>By the waters, the waters of Babylon,
>>We laid down and wept, and wept for thee, Zion.
>>We remember, we remember, we remember thee, Zion.

>>I heard it in embedded in another song by Manfred Mann and the Earth Band.

>I may be totally losing it, but I seem to recall that it was on Don
>MacLean's _American Pie_.  As I remember it, that's all there was to
>the song, though I think it was done as a round, with very limited
>accompaniment.  (Sitar, maybe, or banjo...some kind of less-common,
>acoustic string instrument.)  Can anybody verify that my mind isn't
>completely gone? :-)


Yeah, I remember Don Mclean doing that version, too.  It's lovely and sad
(of course it's sad; we're talking about Don Mclean, here).  There's also the
one Linda Ronstadt belted out, kind of a slowed-down Calypso thing (is
that the word I want, Andy), and which James Taylor also sang on occasion.
 Somebody later did a great dance version of it, too ... the same folks who
brought us "Bahama Mama" and "Rasputin" -- "Rah, Rah, Rasputin,
lover of the Russian Queen / There was a cat who really was gone / Rah,
Rah, Rasputin, Russia's greatest love machine / It was a shame how he
carried on."  A gold star to whomever remembers the name of that group.

Now, wasn't that helpful?
   

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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: Current Top 10 CCM Albums
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:19:09 GMT


From Billboard (1/23/93 issue):

1. FREE AT LAST-D.C. Talk
2. CHANGE YOUR WORLD-Michael W. Smith
3. GREAT ADVENTURE-Steven Curtis Chapman
4. HOME FOR CHRISTMAS-Amy Grant
5. HYMNS: A PORTRAIT OF CHRIST-Steve Green
6. MERCY-Bryan Duncan
7. HEART THAT KNOWS YOU-Twila Paris
8. THE BASICS OF LIFE-4 Him
9. ANGELS OF MERCY-Susan Ashton
10. MICHAEL ENGLISH-Michael English

New on the chart:
21. SHAPE OF GRACE-Out of the Gray
32. WINGS OF VICTORY-Glen Campbell

ecw
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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: King's X Singles
Summary: King's X
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:56:44 GMT
Keywords: King's X

Erwin,


 Lost in Germany received airplay locally, probably as much
  as Black Flag.  "Prisoner" was the last radio single, as far
   as I know, and IMHO was most suited for rock radio.  I love
    that song.

      Jeff Elbel
	Farewell to Juliet
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: 77's, Crucified/Mortal, etc. @ the Power House/Texas
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:40 CST
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For those interested, here's the exact dates and such of the bands I
mentioned earlier playing the Power House in Dallas/Fort Worth.

Seventy Sevens -- January 29 and 30
Crucified/Mortal -- February 5 and 6
Crashdog -- March 12
SFC and PID -- March 26
LSU and Breakfast with Amy -- April 2

There are a decent number of other bands, but since I don't want to go
see any of the others, I'm not going to mention them. Heh.

Also, for those around south Texas who'd rather not drive to D/FW, Mortal
and the Crucified will be playing in San Antonio on Sunday February 7th
at the BossKat (10221 Desert Sands). Tickets are available at Apple Records,
Hogwild Records, and the Sheperd Shop. (hhmm...can't spell that right...oh
well) Directions: from Loop 410 take San Pedro north, take a right on Sahara
then a left on Desert Sands. It's supposedly the 3rd building on the left.
I've never been to it, so I hope the directions given to me are right.


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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor and guitars
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:17:27 GMT

Please forgive me for not seeing all the previous posts...

i assume you're all aware of "Chagall Guevara,"
Steve Taylor's great guitar-band album with
Lynn Nichols, Dave Perkins, and Mike Mead?

Lots of guitars there.

Farewell to Juliet covers a few of those songs:
Murder in the Big House, Violent Blue, Monkey Grinder (so far)

BTW keep looking for that Farewell to Juliet release in March!
It'll be available for a discount over the net initially, before
distribution kicks in (we hope, pray).

Jeff Elbel
(I'm beginning to feel very much like christian E!)
From: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (John R. Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mark Heard Benefit concert in the San Francisco Bay Area?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:43:21 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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In article <1k4lsqINNn28@shelley.u.washington.edu>, jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>delpinal@netcom.com (Erwin Del Pinal) writes:
>
>> a few months ago someone Said that there was going to be a 
>> benefit concert in the Bay Area (San Francisco) with Sam
>> Phillips, T-bone, Cockburn, etc>
>> Is this concert still happening? If so, when and where?
>>
>> erwin
>
>As the one who posted the original inquiry to this (I think I was the
>first) all I can say is that I have heard nothing more about it since it
>got an itty-bitty mention in CCM. My guess is that it was either aborted,
>or has already occurred, since it was supposed to happen early in the
>year. Perhaps the Nashville gig was held instead.
>
>Anyway, if anyone knows anything concrete, I'd still like to know.
>
>john streck
>jmstreck@u.washington.edu

The way to find out for sure one way or another would be to call Mark's 
manager, Dan Russell.  Dan would have any information which is available.
Dan's phone number is (508) 346-4577.

If anyone decides to call him, please post your findings.  Living in Indiana,
I don't think I could make it to CA for the concert, but I'd still be 
interested in knowing about it.

John Warren
"The funny thing about humility, when you know your being humble, you're no
longer humble."--T Bone Burnett
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Response (Bob Larson)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:47:06 GMT
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C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes
>If you're absolutely dying 
> to see it before then, the article in the latest issue of World Magazine  
(don't
> know much about it other than my roomate suscribes to it... it's editoral 
> stance apparently is to be an evangelical Christian periodical).
> 
> Well, in the mean time, does anyone happen to know much about World  
magazine, 
> or have heard any unusual news in general about Larson's ministry.  (Just 
> curious...).  Well, hope to get this posted soon...

I have been a subscriber for about 2 years, and I am very impressed!
Their editorial stance is solidly evangelical, but they aren't into bashing  
the viewpoints of other Christians.  I'm sure that both Jerry Falwell and  
Ted Kennedy would both hate their approach.  They were quick to bash Bush  
when he deserved it and they are quick to bash Clinton when he deserves it,  
but they never thought that either would be the savior of our country.  

Rather than being a Christian News magazine (like Christianity Today), they  
try to present national and world news from a perspective that would  
interest Christians.  They frequently review alternative Christian music as  
well as secular music.  I like their reviews.

They are uncompromisingly pro-life, but that doesn't mean that they don't  
think pro-life people should not support POLITICAL compromises that move our  
country small steps in the right direction.  Their staff is growing,  
allowing them to do more on-the-spot investigative pieces like the one on  
Bob Larson.  Just about everyone I've given a copy to has decided to  
subscribe.  It's worth a try.  I think they send out free sample issues.

I don't happen to have a copy at work, so I'll have to post the address  
later (or maybe someone else can post it).


Claude


> Rob
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> :cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu: it contradicts itself, but because :
> :the Ohio State University         : it contradicts them."--E Paul Hovey:
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From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: 77's and numerology
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:46:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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Reply-To: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
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So there I am, logged in on my account, and I decide to check the
news in this group to see if there is anything about the 77's (thanks
for the help, everyone, BTW), and what did I find?

        - There were 77 unread articles in rec.music.christian.

        - I am listening to track 7 on my 77's CD as I write this.

        - I have to get up at around 7:00 am tomorrow, so this
                article will have to be pretty short.

I'm telling ya - it's a message from God!  He *wants* me to go to this
concert.  Now I am not worried about the tickets.  :-)

Thank you, and goodnight.

   -Logan
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From: cj164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Ryan Glover)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Crumbacher
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:10:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'm looking for Crumbacher's album "Escape from the Fallen Planet", but was
told that it was no longer in print (or whatever you say in regards to CD's
that or no longer made).  My question is: does anyone know of a Christian
music store that sells used CD's in the Southern California (Orange County)
area?  I've looked for it in the used CD section of some secular stores.

Thanks

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 77's @ the Power House/Texas
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:20 CST
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logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes...
>Well, some of us down here in Central Texas (i.e. in Austin) would not mind
>driving 200 miles to North Texas (i.e. Dallas) to see a great group like
>the 77's, but so far we haven't been able to get ahold of the people there
>to secure for ourselves tickets, and obviously we don't want to drive that
>far and not be able to get in.

Well, some of down here in South-East-Central Texas (or whatever, i.e. Bryan/
College Station) don't mind driving the distance to see a great group like the
Seventy Sevens either. I have not tried to get tickets for the show, and it
would definitely be most undelightful if I was denied entrance once I arrived.

>Soooo... Does anyone know how we can get ahold of Powerhouse and get
>tickets to either of the 77's shows from Austin?  We've called Powerhouse
>(long distance) and just gotten their annoying recording.

Well, the reason I haven't gotten tickets is because I was told that they would
be bought at the door. Don't know if they are also selling them early or not.
I'm probably going to go up there with several ppl from Baylor, and so far as
I know, none of us have tickets. 

>Do they have more than one phone number?  Is there a certain time to call?
>Is there some other way of getting tickets?  Obviously, we don't have a
>Dallas phonebook handy.  :-)

sorry I can't help you further than saying that I was told I could get a ticket
at the door, and I had better be able to get one when I get there or I'm gonna
be one very unhappy Aggie. Mabye I'll ask one of the people that I'm planning
on going with, just to be sure.

>If anyone living in Dallas would like to do us the favor of investigating
>how we can get tickets, we'd be very appreciative.  (BTW, "we" means me
>and my roommate and a guy named Paul, and possibly some other people.)

I second this. Until just now, I was secure in my belief that I would be able
to get in at the door. But now I'm having this horrific images of getting there
and having to listen to Mike and company from out on a dirty street in the rain
while stray animals try to make a new home in my soaked jacket. Someone, please
help me out of this excruciating agony! 


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