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From: jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (john hopper)
Subject: Older dog training
Reply-To: jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory of Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:37:22 GMT

I took in a stray dog last year after having no luck locating
his previous owners.  He's about 5 years old, extremely sweet/well
behaved, and a mix of chow and something else (no one has a good 
guess of the other half). 

Does anyone have any good references/suffestions on training older dogs?  Most
of what I've found only deal with puppies and don't give any special
attention to older dogs.  Or is training an older dog basically the same?
He has no behavior problems, but I would like to train him to the point 
where he will listen  to me when he's not on the leash.  He tends to have 
a mind of his own off the leash and I worry about him wandering too close 
to the road etc.  I'm certain that 90% of this is actually training me, but
I need a good reference.  (I cannot afford to go to a trainer, so that is not
an option).  


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From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: How old before runnin
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:32:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.000806.12914@rose.com> 
	lars.hougaard@rose.com (lars hougaard) writes:

>How old should a dog (in this case a Alaskan Malamute) be before you 
>start running with it. 

I am a GSD person, and I wouldn't make any attempt to run a large
dog for exercise until 12 mos.
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From: trudel@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: pheasant hunting dog in Canada
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:25:54 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


I'm looking for a trained pheasant hunting dog.
Preferably one of the pointing breeds. Would anybody
know where I could find one in Canada?
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Re: Leash-carrying (& cute story)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:02:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino



That is hilarious!!!!


Diane
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: RRRR Report From The Trenches
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:10:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.161900.26243@inel.gov> kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes:
= |> but still, I shouldn't cheat at all.
= 
= What about find it. Put Buffer on a sit, stand, or down stay. Place a treat 
= about 3' in front of her and make her wait. Then in an excited voice say
= "Ok, Find It!" and let her get it. Remeber to Praise. Build up the wait time
= and the distance of the treat gradually until you can eventually hide the
= treat in the other room and have her sniff it out. Dogs love this game and it
= also enforces their stays. They seem to love the control they exhibit and
= then that explosion of enthusiasm when you release them. 

One comment:  If Buffer will be used for finding/retrieving of
game (e.g. in Hunting Tests or for actual hunting), I would not
recommend using treats for "Find it!"  The last thing you want a
bird dog to do is think it may eat what it finds.

My suggestion is to obtain some training scent (from e.g. RCSteele)
in an appropriate "flavor" and put a few drops on a tennis ball (or
a canvas training dummy available from the same sources) and hide
it--to be retrieved to Ruth for rehiding.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help: biting
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:01:12 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1993Jan25.152721.17873@sei.cmu.edu> sw@sei.cmu.edu (Shelley
Woosley) writes:
>My puppy is 3 months old and while I understand that she is teething, she
>bites me constantly.  Not just chewing but drawing blood.  Even when I'm just 
>sitting on the couch, she jumps up at my face!  I've tried Bitter Apple but it
>doesn't really work.  Besides, I can't cover my body in it.  My obedience 
>trainer said to say "uh-huh" and give her a toy but the puppy is way beyond 
>"uh-huh" at this point.  I need something seriously unpleasant to do when she 
>bites.  Any suggestions?

When my 8-week-old German Shepherd puppy bites me too hard, I yelp like a pup
and jerk my hand back. Then I immediately put my hand over her neck, push her
down, and hold her for a few seconds. This has worked amazingly well. The first
part is the reaction another pup would give her if bitten too hard. The second
part is how my 7-year-old German Shepherd lets her know she's gone too far.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:  Poison Alert!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:31:55 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan20.174444.6279@radian.uucp> kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.034406.18562@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
>>in scientific research.  I know of two experiments personally which
>>use dogs.  Neither cares about the breed in the least--I've never seen
>>a beagle (I think they are more expensive as test animals).  One is
>>a cocaine experiment and the other is a nerve experiment.  I really
>>appreciate this thread of looking for the truth--eyewitness or verifiable
>>stuff, not anecdotal.  
>>
>
>Betsy,
>
>Thanks for posting this:  I'm also in a scientific field, and have not been
>sure what to make of the horror stories.
>
>Now:  can you find out where they get their dogs?
>
>Kathryn Roth Whitworth
>


I'm afraid it won't be easy for me to find out.  I know the techs who
work (ed) on the two experiments.  The one who worked on the cocaine
experiment burned out and will never step foot in the lab again.  The
friend on the nerve experiment I only see about every six months.  As
far as they're concerned, their bosses order dogs and they just show up.
The hospital where the experiments take place is next to the building
I work in.  I sometimes go over there to eat in the cafeteria and hear
dogs barking behind closed doors in the basement.  It is VERY unnerving.
I wish it weren't so darn hush hush.  It exists, I just want to know the
truth.  The tech on the nerve experiment has told me some stories which
indicate that these dogs are nothing more than another piece of disposable
lab equipment to those on the experiment.  There's no sadistic pleasure,
just complete indifference to the dogs as feeling creatures who would like
to avoid pain.

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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: How about owning 2 dogs of different sizes?
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

My husband and I are very carefully considering what type of dog 
to get.  I'd like to get one dog to start with and after its a 
year or so old, get a second dog.

Right now the leading contender is an Airedale, for a variety of 
reasons I won't go into.

But I also think the Australian Terrier (15-20 pds) is great!

So how would a rather large dog like an Airedale and a rather 
small dog like an Australian Terrier get along?  Or would we be 
better off getting 2 Airedales (eventually)?

- Peggy -
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:37:30 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <21JAN93.14962634.0027@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, CS#0@lafibm.lafayette.edu (CS#0) writes:
|> Two of my Goldens LOVE to take tissues from the bathroom trash
|> and shred them into little pieces (all over the house!) and
|> sometimes even eat them--ugh :-(   We usually keep the door
|> closed, and when they get caught, a firm "No!" and "Drop!" will
|> make them stop, but at night I leave the bathroom door open so
|> that my children won't walk into a closed door, and the nightlight
|> shines from the bathroom out into the hallway.  We have moved the
|> trash can, tried black pepper, red pepper, and tobasco sauce, used
|> set mouse traps, but Molly and Kelsey are not easily deterred!  Plus
|> it is a nuisance to ALWAYS make sure the door is closed.  Any
|> suggestions would be appreciated!  Thanks in advance!
|> Susan Castelletti <CS#0@LAFAYACS>

How about a garbage can with a lid, or do they also take it off the roll?

Hopefully it is Charmin then your dogs have good taste.

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
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From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:32:09 GMT



About agression and working events...
the info given in earlier posts is also
true for lure coursing. A dog is disqualified (DQ)
if it shows agression toward another dog while
it is on the field.  It takes running cleanly with
2 other dogs of the same breed before 2 judges to
be remitted to the sport.  I think after a 3rd DQ the dog
cannot requalify.  I hear it's not easy to requalify the dog
since it can be hard to round up other owners who'll trust your
dog on the field.  Often they have to know your dog very well
to let their dog run with the DQ dog.  DQ is 
different from a dismissal
which can happen because of interference, following
another dog instead of the lure etc.  


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From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Schutzhund
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:13:43 GMT

In article <5891@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> 
	greg@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Greg Allen) writes:

>Can some of you Schutzhund experts explain the difference/similarities
>between DVG Schutzhund and USA Schutzhund?
>

Well, both sponsor trials -- DVG is more all-breed oriented, while USA
maintains an SV-approved breed registry for GSDs, and has closer links
to that organization (the German Shepherd Club of Germany).

I think that the DVG is related to the VDH -- Verein fuer Deutsches
Hundesport.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bryan@gtx.com ()
Subject: Crate Types
Organization: GTX Corporation, Phoenix AZ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:33:30 GMT

	Is the any difference in the wire style and "pet taxi" style dog
crates.  I have a German Shepard, male, pretty good size.  I noticed the
"pet taxi" type are considerably less expensive.
	Any advice would be helpful!!!
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How about owning 2 dogs of different sizes?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:04:05 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1k964mINN6fd@hp-col.col.hp.com> lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
>There's this house near me where they had (before Christmas) two huge
>St. Bernards and (at least) three various itty-bitty dogs. After 
>Christmas I noticed there were three St. Bernards. Last week, I saw
>there are now four. This is a regular suburban house & fenced yard, and
>the dogs all seem to be indoor/outdoor dogs (sometimes they're in the
>yard, sometimes not).
>
>I don't know how all the dogs get along. They all seem healthy, happy,
>and friendly, but... but... this is *weird*, isn't it??

When we're feeling like our lives are too chaotic (2+ jobs, 1 kid, 2 Corgis,
house, yard, etc), we always say (tongue embedded in cheek) that what we need
is a few more kids and a few St. Bernards.  Sounds like those people have
GONE FOR IT!!!  :-)  How many kids do they have??  :-)  I hope they are rough
St. Bernards -- smooths wouldn't have enough HAIR, though I suppose the DROOL
factor is about the same either way, and certainly the SHOVEL-UP-AFTER-THEM
factor is the same....
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Flame?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:46:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.135048.11558@ns.network.com> ketchum@gandalf.network.com (Bret Ketchum) writes:

= 	I actually wanted the front left on because they supposedly help
= when the dog wiggles back into the boat. Didn't have the choice though as
= the breeder loped them off anyway and from the horror stories I've heard
= lately it was for the better.

*I* believe so.  My Brittany bitch came with dew-claws.  I never
thought to ask and by the time I learned that the breeded didn't
routinely have them removed it was too late.  So far I've been
lucky in that there've been no injuries but they are a *real* pain
to clip.  They seem to be in a truly awkward position.  I won't
make that mistake again--never again will I have a dog with dew
claws.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs at Work?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:08:36 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Gaia doesn't currently go to work with me, but she used to.  I worked in a
tack (horse equipment) shop.  Gaia was free to roam and would typically
follow me around, settling down out of the way but within sight.  I did
get permission, but did not have to justify it.  The owner bred Jack
Russells and there were usually dogs at the shop.

When I attended the University of Connecticut in West Hartford, there was
a Fidelco guide dog breeding bitch who came to classes.  She was not a
guide dog, although she had been through the training.  She was still
given the rights of a working guide dog.  If you haven't already, you
should look into your dog being certified as a therapy dog.  I think that
these dogs are included in the laws applying to service dogs.  Usually
these apply to dogs in training for such work as well.

Karen

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From: madry@fencing.rtp.dg.com (Beth Madry)
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:22:25 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

>
>Now if only my cute little spayed mutt could get a CD!  I know, I know, there
>are competitions for mixed breads, just not through AKC.  But they're few
>and far between.  And I imagine there's nothing like performing in a really
>big show like the ones they have here in Chicago at McCormick Place.  Really,
>what would be the harm in letting neutered mixed-breeds compete?  It could
>mean a lot more registration fees for AKC and entry fees for obedience trials.
>

It would make a lot of sense if they would allow neutered and spayed animals
to compete.  Only a fraction of a given line will actually be bred, but
it shows a stronger line to be able to point to the siblings, children
of the potential dog to be bred for character traits.  This could be especially
true in the sport and working dog groups.
Of course I favor letting mixed breeds compete to promote good ownership 
traits, too.

Beth

My opinions are my own - no one else would want them.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: English Setters
From: <EMDJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 28 Jan 1993 12:16:05 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I had a orange belton male E.S. that lived for 12 years.  He was show
quality and extremely intelligent.  I now have two female tri-color E.S.
that are also show quality, and also extremely intelligent.  The tri-colors
(blue,white,orange) are considered to be field dogs and are really smart.
English setters are all around great dogs.
Dan Schlissel
From: cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca (PETER E REISSNER)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Dogs at work
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:01:39 GMT
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada

I don't know how many people here at York University have dogs at work,
(I'm a student here), but I have seen a number of dogs being walked on
campus during the day (as if their owner might work here - you can sometimes
distinguish a prof from other people around here, right?), and their owners
look like profs.  I have seen the same dogs several times, so this seems to be
normal.  I would like to know myself.  Maybe I'll go for my PhD if I can bring 
a dog to work.

Hey, I'll post a message locally to get some responses.  I'll post the results
on r.p.d

Peter Reissner
cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: New! Sporn Halter.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:04:02 GMT

mark@visix.com (Mark Myers) writes:

>In article <laird.728015075@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu>, laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:

>|> I think I paid about $25 for the halter.  Kind of pricey.  (and it was
>|> quite upsetting to see it in several pieces on the first day!)  You
>|> could make one without many problems, but I doubt it's worth the effort.
>                                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>If you mean you don't think it's worth having, I disagree. Othewise, 
>I think you've justified the price by that statement (no flame 
>intended).

No, I meant that you could make one without many problems, but I doubt
that it's worth the effort.  That is, if you value your time more than
the reward of creating such a thing, you'd be better off buying it
instead of making it.

Glad you like the halter!  I haven't spent much time with it on Greta
so I can't give much advice/info.  (We just picked up playing Frisbee
this morning!  I don't want a Sporn Halter on her for that.)

--kyler

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From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: 1st Basenji to Gaines Invitational/Obedience
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:42:25 GMT


Hi:
Strider, my new 13 mo. old Basenji, and I have already
bragged about his littermate Hustle (Sukari's Akuaba The Hustler. owner M.Fusci)
getting her CD in 3 legs with scores in the 190s (she was 10 months old
and completed the CD with an average score of 193.5).  
But now... We just found out she's going to the Gaines Invitational!
And Hustle will be the first Basenji to go!  Wow.  This little dog
like to *wow* us. 

Strider (and Ginger too!) just begged me to brag again about Hustle's
accomplishments.  So here I am.   By the way after 1.5 weeks living with us,
Strider is just begging to begin his obedience. 
We think he has the same capabilities as Hustle!

-- C. Mount with
Ginger and Strider the Basenjis. 

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From: dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:36:42 GMT

In <rec.pets.dogs> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>
>I hate to tell you this, but dogs STILL run loose around communities!
>My husband and I have to be careful when we walk on our own street
>with our 3 dogs because there is usually at least one loose dog.

I don't know about your dogs, but our bitch is only willing to mate
for aproximately 3 weeks per year.  We keep her under special
supervision (e.g., always on leash) for the entire 2x3 weeks she's on
heat, but for the rest of the year there is no risk to have her see
other dogs in the neighbourhood.


			-- Dag
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Microchip Implants
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:32:23 GMT

In article <3525@peking.gdwb.oz.au> anuske@gdwb.oz.au (Andrew Nuske) writes:
>Hi Everyone !!
>
>I was just wondering if Microchip Implants were in use in the States ?
>
>I plan to get my boy done shortly (A.C.D. NAME:"JAKE") so that if he did 
>decide to go walkabout and end up at the Animal Welfare Centre minus his tags
>then they would only have to scan him to find out where he lives.
>
>Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
>
>Andrew.
>
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>

Just had a thing about this on the local news a few weeks ago.  The local
humane society was doing it for free for the police dogs.  I think they
were considering making it mandatory for all adoptions so if they returned
they would know who they went to and all of that.  You do have to pay but
I don't think it is too much.  It sounds like a good idea but only if more
people start thinking about it and scan a lost dog for a chip.  If the police
and the human society start scanning all the strays or lost dogs they get in
then it should help in identifing lost animals.  It has to start somewhere
I guess.

Mike

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From: ADMINN04@clvm.clarkson.edu (Michael Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Science Diet... (second try)
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:45:00 GMT
Organization: Clarkson University

O.K. We'll try this again. (Sorry about the last two postings!)
 
I've been reading rpd for a few months now, but this is my first posting. I've
enjoyed the wealth of information displayed here (I guess "dittoes" isn't the
proper term :)  )
 
Freddie, my 9-month old yellow lab, has been on Science Diet Canine Growth
since June. In December she began to get kind of bored by it, so I have
been giving her equal amounts of Science Diet/Purina Puppy/Cycle Puppy.
(About 6 cups a day total.) She cleans her bowl (two meals a day) most days,
but has seemed awfully itchy lately. I'm wondering if it's the change in diet
(SD is very high in fat) or just the cold, dry weather here in northern New
York state (near Canada). My hands have been really dry lately too.
The vet suggested some capsules of fatty acid, vitamin E, etc., which I am
giving her. I followed the "Purina & other food string" last month,
but I forget if this was covered. Any thoughts?
 
P.S. Vet is thinking of recommending Purina Hi-Pro Puppy (SP?) along with
SD. He sells only SD now.
 
MICHAEL P. GRIFFIN <ADMINN04@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU>
CLARKSON UNIVERSITY
 
"CANIS MEUS ID COMEDIT!"
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