HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: interran@uluru.Stanford.EDU (John Interrante)
Subject: Re: Which newspaper to get?
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Jul24.204043.5195@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: ba
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:59:18

>>I've narrowed my choices to the SF Chronicle
>>				SF Examiner
>>				SJ Mercury News
>>				Argus

> If given a choice, I'd read the NY Times, but since you want one of those
> listed, (and because the NY Times has no comic section), in terms of
> "reporting quality," I think the Mercury News is best, then the
> Examiner/Chronicle (they're owned by the same people...  What's the diff?)
> I have no experience with the Argus.  Also, you get the Fusco Brothers with
> the Chron, which is the big reason I read it.  The Chron is also a big
> "republisher," which to me is the fact that a lot of their stories come from
> wire feeds and the LA/NY Times.  Frequently, I see articles in the Times,
> which are reprinted later (and also on Sundays) in the Chron/Examiner.

I've been a Chronicle reader for several years, but my eating club
recently stopped its subscription to the Chronicle after some
persistent delivery problems.  As a result, I've been reading both the
Mercury News and the Chronicle for over a week to decide whether I'll
read the Mercury News in my eating club or the Chronicle in my dorm's
lounge.  This discussion couldn't have started at a better time since
I can add my impressions while they're fresh.

I find that I don't like the Mercury News' layout since it has a lot
of pages with just one or two columns of news and the rest of the
space occupied by advertisements.  Since I believe in turning every
page (except for sections which are all classifieds) to make sure I
don't miss anything interesting, it seems like the newspaper takes
longer to read while it's easier to miss something interesting.

I also feel that I don't get as much substance out of the Mercury News
as I do with the Chronicle.  This is especially true for national and
international news; it seems like I find more one-paragraph stories
and feature-length articles about what's happening overseas, say in
Yugoslavia or Singapore, in the Chronicle than I do in the Mercury
News.

However, I'm not entirely happy with the Chronicle either.  I think
the Mercury News's reporting on the Democratic Convention and the
subsequent Clinton/Gore bus trip through middle America was better and
more informative than the Chronicle's reporting.  As Richard said, the
Chronicle reprints many stories from the NY Times so the Chronicle's
political viewpoint seems to be very close to the NY Times' viewpoint.
If I wanted the NY Times' political viewpoint, I would read the NY
Times.  I wish the Chronicle would take a more independent viewpoint,
but I'm resigned to having to look elsewhere for some alternative
political viewpoints.
--
John Interrante / interran@uluru.stanford.edu
Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Rennaisance Faire in September?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:05:08 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

>>First, Thank you for the great list of festivals!
>>
>>Second, any background on why the Ren. Faire is in September instead of August
>>I wondered why I hadn't seen any PR on it. Thanks in advance.
>
>'Cause that's when it always is.
>
>Greg
>
Is Now, hasn't always been! :-) But you're probably too young to remember!:-)
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From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: help for california libraries! Dire need!
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:32:36 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics,ca.politics
Distribution: ca
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

>In article <1992Jul19.081048.7791@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com
(Phil Ngai) writes:
>>Personally, I'd like to see public libraries shut down so there could
>>be a market for private libraries. Perhaps we'd see some libraries
>>with reasonable hours like the bookstores which stay open til midnight.
>>Libraries which are more than babysitting areas for loud children.
>>Libraries with a good selection of books. I usually head for the
>>bookstore when I need a book. Libraries with copy machines that work.
>>-- 
>>My opinions are my own.

Sure are.

In article <1992Jul22.030701.6889@informix.com> proberts@informix.com
(Paul Roberts) writes:
>But there *is* a market for private libraries - you, and people like you.
>Not enough of you to be a viable market and encourage people to open
>private libraries? - too bad.

>Bet you'd be really impressed if I said that I'd like to see the national
>highway system closed down so that there was more of a market for railways,
>because I happen to like travelling by train.

I would also like to turn off the National weather satellites.
Hurricane season?  Too bad.

And we should probably privatize the fire departments.  As I recall
that was where this government issue began 100 years ago.  If you thought
Oakland was bad, I wonder what it could have been like.

We are neither a pure socialist system or a pure capitalist.  Are people
seeking such simplistic solutions?  Tisk tisk.

When I was in college, a proposal was placed forward call the Clark Initiative.
It's purpose was precisely to have students direct where they wanted their
student fees to go.  I wish the students had passed it.  It would have been
a useful interesting experience.  Perhaps other colleges had similar
propsals.

Followups to *.politics.  (Unless of course you vote for my proposal to
abolish all news groups into one General group).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  Representative, Ames Library Committee
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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From: debbie@hafler.esl.com (Debbie McCloskey)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.market.misc,rec.sport.football.misc,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers Tickets
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:26:25 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general
Distribution: ba
Organization: ESL Inc., Sunnyvale, CA


	49er Tickets Available

For Sale Pre-Season Tickets 
Aug 3rd 5:00 pm Monday (Denver)
Aug 28th 5:00 pm Friday (Seattle)

Buy 10 & get one Free!
$35.00 each, consecutive seating available.

If you are interested please call
(415) 344-8380 (10-5) or (415) 366-4949 (Leave Msg). 
Pay by checks or credit cards.

Thanks Jerry

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Automotive repair pointers?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:14:46 GMT
Distribution: ba

I am need of a pointer(s) to an automotive repair shop(s).

What I am looking for is a shop that can:
 o Install a custom bent dual exhaust from (new) headers back
 o Install Catalytic converters and Mufflers
 o Tune Engine 
 o Perform CA smog check and issue certificate

I really would like to find a single shop that can do all of this
work.  What I want to avoid is having one shop work on the
car, only to be told by a smog inspection station that the
work done by shop A does not meet requirements.  If a single
shop is doing the exhaust work, tuning,  *and* issuing the 
certificate then I think it will be much easier to hold them
accountable and I should be able to avoid shuttling the car
back and forth from shop to shop.

I am hoping to provide my own catalytic converters which I plan
on removing from an as yet undetermined recent wreck.

The car is a 1979 Jeep CJ5 with an AMC 304 V8 (if that matters).

Since I have your attention, I'll also ask for reccomendations for
a body shop.  I need a new floor-pan welded in, and some rust 
removed from the front quarter-panels.  I also need some small
dents and door-dings repaired.  Probably the most demanding 
requrement will be for some custom interior work.  I want a 
very simple "box" welded into the rear of the vehicle to act as
a trunk/rear seat/speaker enclosure.  I also need to remount
my front seats; I may provide some pre-fabricated mounts, but
may also end up asking the body shop in question to custom weld
(a relativly simple design) them.

I live in Mountain View, but don't mind driving to San-Jose/Freemont/
etc. to get to the "right" shop(s).

Thanks for any pointers, including "avoid... at all costs" -
_______________________________________________________________________________
* Ryan A. Border               border@nas.nasa.gov,   border@craywr.cray.com  *
* Cray Research Inc., On Site Applications Analyst 415-604-4633  o__ o__      *
* Numerical Aerodynamic Simulator, NASA Ames Research Center    _.>/-.>/'_    *
* Never trust someone who can count to 1023 on their fingers.  ( ) \---\(*)...*
==============================================================================*
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: help for california libraries! Dire need!
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:07:01 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul19.081048.7791@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>Personally, I'd like to see public libraries shut down so there could
>be a market for private libraries. Perhaps we'd see some libraries
>with reasonable hours like the bookstores which stay open til midnight.
>Libraries which are more than babysitting areas for loud children.
>Libraries with a good selection of books. I usually head for the
>bookstore when I need a book. Libraries with copy machines that work.
>
>-- 
>My opinions are my own.

But there *is* a market for private libraries - you, and people like you.
Not enough of you to be a viable market and encourage people to open
private libraries? - too bad.

Bet you'd be really impressed if I said that I'd like to see the national
highway system closed down so that there was more of a market for railways,
because I happen to like travelling by train.
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Phone Solicitation (was Re: San Jose Mercury News and San Francisco Chronicle)
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:48:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch) wrote: 
->| for whatever reason, I say very politely, "no thanks",  
->| and hang up.  Do not even pause to listen to there response to
->| your "no thanks".  
->
->    No!  The sooner you terminate the call, the sooner they go right on to
->the next person.  Remember that one of their primary goals is to reach as
->many people as possible, and remember that they are the *enemy*.

bzzt!

you've presumed that my time and resources are not best spent
elsewhere.

you've presumed wrong.

->    My main purpose when dealing with phone solicitation is to take as
->much of their time as possible.

which, in turn, requires my time.  bad idea.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.politics,ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: help for california libraries! Dire need!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:05:31 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Jul19.081048.7791@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>Personally, I'd like to see public libraries shut down so there could
>be a market for private libraries. Perhaps we'd see some libraries
>with reasonable hours like the bookstores which stay open til midnight.
>Libraries which are more than babysitting areas for loud children.
>Libraries with a good selection of books. I usually head for the
>bookstore when I need a book. Libraries with copy machines that work.
>
>-- 
>My opinions are my own.

Oh that's a real good idea.  Then they can charge admission,
perhaps we might even have gvt-controlled/owned libraries. That
way we can keep riff raff out like us left wing radical
liberals. Of course they can always then control what the
remainder reads. We wouldn't want something as leftist as The
Federalist Papers getting into the wrong hands or information
about alternate enrgy and health care....now would we. Perhaps
sir you should bone up on the history of facism .....

Len
Newsgroups: ba.general
From:  ()
Subject: Want information on Houseboating Lake Shasta
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:05:52 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

I am looking for a place that you can rent houseboats on Lake Shasta.  I 
have never done this before and would like a reputable place and also
if you have any other ideas or comments about where to go or what to do,
please send them.  I have heard this is a great thing to do!

Thanks in advance
John Harrison   harrison@apple.com
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: House plants at wholesale prices?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.190851.20510@ads.com>,
charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>Used to be, once upon a time, back in the good old days, before
>sliced bread, if one wanted to get healthy house plants at really
>good prices, one went to Zen in Mountain View.
>
>Unfortunately, Zen was a casualty of the 237 expansion (which,
>ironically, still hasn't happened).  They may have moved somewhere, but
>I never found out where.
>
>Is there anywhere in the Greater Bay Area and beyond where I can
>get house plants at wholesale prices?   I'm willing to drive
>a couple of hours from Mountain View for a good source.  I've tried
>Sally Socolich's _Bargain Hunting in the Bay Area_, but there isn't
>much there.
>
>Thanks,
>Charleen
>
>--
>I'm not short.  I'm vertically-challenged.

When you find a good place let us all know.

Alma
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Rennaisance Faire in September?
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:13:35 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

>You mean back when you didn't have to take a second mortgage on the house
>to get in, and when all the performers didn't hate the organizers?
>
>Greg

Apologies!! Perhaps you are old enough to remember! ;-)
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Gilroy Garlic Festival
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:05:14 GMT

>From: csh@kahn.ced.berkeley.edu (Chuck Han)

>Is it this weekend?
--
Yep.
TKJ
From: kempson@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Mark Kempson)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: REVISED: 8/7/92 Fabio Paterno' Talk at ICSI
Keywords: An Object-Oriented Approach to the Design of Graphical User Interface
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:55:26 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
NNTP-Posting-Host: icsid.icsi.berkeley.edu


              REVISED ANNOUNCEMENT: NEW DATE (WAS AUGUST 6)

              The International Computer Science Institute
                     is pleased to present a talk:

                   Friday, August 7, 1992  11:00 a.m.

                             FABIO PATERNO'
                              CNUCE-C.N.R.
                              Pisa, Italy
                                  and
                                  ICSI

            ``An Object-Oriented Approach to the Design of
                    Graphical User Interface Systems''

           The problems concerning the design  of  graphical  user
      interface  systems  composed of a set of interaction objects
      allowing users to interact with structured graphics are dis-
      cussed.  Each  interaction  object can have input and output
      functionality. Here we want to point out  the  problems  and
      the requirements that are raised in perfoming such design in
      an object-oriented environment. For this purpose the  impor-
      tance  of  task-oriented  design  hierarchies of interaction
      objects in order to make the translation from the user  task
      to  the system function easier is addressed. The design of a
      hierarchy of interaction objects following this approach  is
      proposed.  This  contrast  with  the  current  window system
      toolkits design because it is mainly driven by the semantics
      of the interaction object rather than their appearance.


        This talk will be held in the Main Lecture Hall at ICSI.
          1947 Center Street, Sixth Floor, Berkeley, CA 94704
       (On Center between Milvia and Martin Luther King Jr. Way)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: kempson@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Mark Kempson)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: 8/4/92 Klaus Jantke Talk at ICSI
Date: 27 Jul 1992 19:35:56 GMT
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: icsid.icsi.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Inductive Inference for Prestructuring Neural Networks: The Approach

              The International Computer Science Institute
                     is pleased to present a talk:

                   Tuesday, August 4, 1992  3:30 p.m.

                              KLAUS JANTKE
                                  ICSI

``Inductive Inference for Prestructuring Neural Networks: The Approach''

           Neural networks are considered as implementing  Boolean
      relations. The general problem of designing a neural network
      for solving some application problem  is  to  design  a  net
      intended to implement a Boolean relation which is only given
      incompletely. The approach proposed intends to invoke induc-
      tive  inference  techniques  for  prestructuring  a net. The
      prestructured net has to be trained as usual for  coming  up
      with the desired neural network.

           The intention of the approach is to extend the area  of
      problems  solvable  by  advanced techniques of preprocessing
      data. The ultimate goal of the theoretical research sketched
      is to develop a calculus of prestructuring rules.

           The talk will be based on  a  simple  but  illustrative
      example.

           The approach presented has been tested using  the  tool
      NEURAL WORKS PROFESSIONAL II PLUS.

           The  author  is  very  interested  in  discussing   the
      approach for guiding further research work.

        This talk will be held in the Main Lecture Hall at ICSI.
          1947 Center Street, Sixth Floor, Berkeley, CA 94704
       (On Center between Milvia and Martin Luther King Jr. Way)
From: lisa@cse.ucsc.edu (Lisa Pascal)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: UCSC CE/CIS Research Seminar 7/30/92
Date: 22 Jul 1992 18:32:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: rio.ucsc.edu

UC SANTA CRUZ:		Computer & Information Sciences and
			Computer Engineering

Research Seminar: 	Thursday, July 30, 2:15-3:30 pm 
			Room 330 Applied Sciences Bldg.
			Refreshments at 2:00 pm

Luigi Dadda, Department of Electronic and Information Politecnico di Milano
will speak on:

"VLSI for Signal Processing"

This talk will cover research work in VLSI design at the Politecnico 
di Milano, in particular for signal processing applications.  Two families 
of convolver schemes will be illustrated, the first characterized by 
serial samples, the second by parallel or skew samples. Some of the 
schemes have been particularly designed for fault tolerance.  Finally, 
an account will be given on the work connected with the FERMI project 
for a new generation all-digital calorimeter to be used for experiment
of high-energy nuclear physics with particle accelerators at CERN, Geneva.
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: protocol question
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:59:19 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

blair@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Gary Blair) writes:

>I plan to offer some *low-cost* but not free classes in the Bay Area
>in the near future.  Given that personal gain is involved, is it
>permissible to advertize such classes on the net?  If so, is this an
>appropriate newsgroup, or are there more appropriate newsgroups?
>To conserve bandwidth, please email responses to blair@dancer.llnl.gov.

UC Santa Cruz seems to peddle their courses rather enthusiastically, at
$800 per person. It seems we have the choice of stopping them, or giving
carte blanche to everyone else.

Comments ?

-- richard

-- 
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration

                   Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
From: kempson@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Mark Kempson)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: 8/6/92 Alistair Sinclair Talk at ICSI
Keywords: Quadratic Dynamical Systems
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:37:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
NNTP-Posting-Host: icsid.icsi.berkeley.edu


              The International Computer Science Institute
                     is pleased to present a talk:

                  Thursday, August 6, 1992  2:00 p.m.

                           ALISTAIR SINCLAIR
                    University of Edinburgh and ICSI

                    ``Quadratic Dynamical Systems''

           Quadratic dynamical systems are widely  used  to  model
      phenomena  in  the  natural sciences, and serve as the basis
      for many computer  simulations  of  these  phenomena.   Less
      classically,  they also provide an appropriate framework for
      the study of genetic algorithms for combinatorial  optimisa-
      tion.   In contrast to linear systems, which are well under-
      stood, there is little  general  theory  available  for  the
      quantitative analysis of quadratic systems.

           In this talk, I will present several  fundamental  pro-
      perties  of  the large class of symmetric quadratic systems,
      notably that they always converge to a limit.  I will go  on
      to  give  a  complete  analysis  of  one  particular system,
      defined on probability distributions over the set of  match-
      ings  in  a tree.  In particular, it will turn out that con-
      vergence to the limit in this system requires  only  polyno-
      mial  time.   This  demonstrates  that  such systems, though
      non-linear, are amenable to analysis.

          (Joint work with Yuri Rabinovich and Avi Wigderson)


        This talk will be held in the Main Lecture Hall at ICSI.
          1947 Center Street, Sixth Floor, Berkeley, CA 94704
       (On Center between Milvia and Martin Luther King Jr. Way)
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From: khan@davidsys.com
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,ba.singles
Subject: Sufi Master invites all
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:43:42 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA





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