From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals anywhere are wrong
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:01:00 GMT

In article <22655@oasys.dt.navy.mil> lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung) writes:
>lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
>Message-ID: <1992Jul23.012300.14031@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>>In article <22557@oasys.dt.navy.mil> lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung) writes:
>>>FYI Jesus HATED every sin not excluding homosexuality.  
>>
>>Lets pretend for a second that there is no question about the existance
>>of god. 
>>
>>How do you know that homosexuality is a sin? 
>...the same way we would know that anything else is a sin.
>If sin is a separation from god and homosexuality departs 
>from this god's design specifications on us humans, if we
>reflect his image, then this behavior departs from him.
>By the transitive property, it is sin.  

How do you know that homosexuality wasn't part of Gods plan?

>Or you can look at
>Levitican laws if you respect them as being god's word.

Clearly most Christians do not accept them as gods word since most
Christians do not grow there beards or make any other attempt to keep
kosher.

>>How do you know that its ok to not keep kosher?
>I know that staying focused on this god (ie worship) is my
>main priority.  Otherwise, it would not be right to call him
>my Lord.  

So why should someone else (a homosexual) who also ignores leviticus
be any different?

>>How do you know its ok for women to evangelize (sp?)
>I don't.  What is our criteria for what is ok and what is not ok?

My personal criteria is that which doesn't injure others is ok, and
that that does is only ok if it prevents much greater harm.

If I took the bible as being gods literal word I would have to conclude
that all sins mentioned in the bible are sins and that a life of celibacy
would be best, I would have to conclude that I must keep kosher, and
not allow women to evangelize.
If I took only the Gospels as the word of God then I would have to 
conclude that only things that broke the great commandments where sins,
and I would place the word of the Gospels above the teachings before
and after. 

>>Don't tell other people that a passage applies to them when you conviently
>>ignore the commandments only paragraphs away.
>Why not?

Because its hypocritical.

>What paragraphs are you talking about?

There are to many old testement commandments to list here :)

>What is a commandment to you anyway?  What do you think was the
>purpose of these commandments?  What is the purpose of laws?  Why do
>we have judges?

I hope judges arn't supposed to enforce old testement commandments, not
to many people would be left alive...

>>>It was the pain
>>>                ^^^^^^^^^
>>>of sin for which he sufferred on the cross.  Why continue to embrace any
>>>sin, it hurts Him?  Repent!  ...and not in vain.  Is it hypocritical to
>>>accept Him and then wholeheartedly continue to forsake what He did on 
>>>the cross?
>>
>>It is hypocritical to eat pork and cheeseburgers while driving gay
>>teenagers to suicide for there "sins".
>Sorry.  I don't see the hypocriticism here.  You can drive any
>sinful anybody to suicide for their "sins."

How can you not see hypocrisy? Surely you have read leviticus, or
do you just use the convient homohaters reference guide so you don't 
have to look at the parts that pertain to you?

>But suicide is not necessary.  Someone already died for their "sins."
>Suicide becomes inevitable however if you don't let that someone
>else die for those "sins" because then no one can pay for those
>sins except you by your own death.  

Homosexuality cannot be changed, even psychologists in the 1950's
realized this. Your demands that someone change what cannot be changed
and what should not be changed results in suicide.

>No one is sinless and cannot
>be tied in with this concept that you've brought up--not even me.
>That is one reason why I've accepted that someone as my Lord.
>
>It is hypocriticism for any sinner to embrace his sin and to call
>god his lord.

Read leviticus.
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