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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: Re: Camping near Duluth/Superior?
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
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Date: 9 Sep 92 09:51:05 CDT


In article <1992Sep9.051223.3215@uwm.edu>, dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David A Rasmussen) writes:
> In looking for a place to camp out a night before I go to ride a train
> in Duluth on Saturday noon, I ran across Amnicon Falls and Pattison
> State Park. Amnicon Falls has no amenities like showers, and although
> the falls worked well a few years ago as a shower, I dunno if the water
> is that warm yet now. Of course I don't know if the amenities close
> down at Pattison like swimming pools do around here after labor day either.

Hey Dave! You're right in my backyard here! I grew up just two miles from
Pattison Park. A real beautiful area and the trees are just starting to turn
colors. Also, the Manitou Falls are at Pattison Park and I highly recommend
you check that out. Unfourtunatly I can't help you with information about
the showers and stuff at Pattison, but I really don't think it will be a 
problem yet.

> 
> Does anyone have any directions for getting into Pattison from Hwy 35
> from the south? My other interest is trains. I notice the BN mainline
> passes through nearby. How close is it to the park campgrounds? On the
> camping map it shows the line through Foxboro. Is this the mainline
> that the Soo and others have trackage rights on?

Foxboro, Wisconsin. That is officially my hometown, although I claim Superior.
Some people in *Superior* don't even know where Foxboro is!

Hwy. 35 south of Pattison Park is *closed* due to road construction. DO NOT
USE HWY. 35!! To get to PP either take US 53 to Hawthorne and use Cty. Trk. B
or take 53 all the way to Superior and then back track on 35 (it's only about
15 miles).

The BN mainline does go through Foxboro and then it angles into Wisconsin and
parallels Hwy. 35 near the Nemadji River. This is where the tanker de-railed
a couple of months ago causing the evacuation of both Superior and Duluth.

Have fun! And if you have more questions about the area, let me know.

-Dean

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From: ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:55:19 GMT

In <AefeBCm00VolMBn0d5@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>In Pittsburgh, the stuff is $15/case.  In Milwaukee, I can get it
>for $10.  Scarry, eh?

In Winnipeg it's $6.25 (+14% tax) a sixer. In the IMPORT SECTION!

I miss those $4 cases of Lienenkugels (sp). Tastes horrid, but you canhave a
helluva party for twenty bucks.

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Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 18:11:00 MST
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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject:    Re: Wisconsin

Yeh Wisconsin!  Fellow Badger backer out here in lovely, hot (miss the
snow, but now the shoveling) Arizona!  I proudly wear my Badger t-shirt
and sweatshirt, when it gets colder (and yes it does)!  There's lots of
beautiful stuff out here in desertland to see, but I miss Door County,
the Dells, and the breweries!  However, one thing I can get out here is
Strohs and Old Style!  And we DO have Johnsonville brats, but no buns!
However, Phoneix has nothing in culture to offer like Milwaukee or
MadTown.  And, of course, the fishing isn't as good.  Bass just don't
fight like a good 'ol muskie!
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From: tlundgre@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Ex-michiganders
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:25:11 GMT

In article <Bu0FH7.GDE@csn.org> bletts@teal.csn.org (Barbra Letts) writes:
>I'm out here stuck in Colorado, known for all the natural beauty and mountains,
>and _still_ miss Michigan.  When I think of home, I think of Lake Superior.
>
>Grew up in Marquette, and wish I could get a job to support myself up there.
>
>Sniffle-sniffle.

  My wife and I grew up in Michigan, and like you we lived in COlorado for a
couple years.  All the native Coloradans thought we were nuts because we
kept saying that we missed the trees and the water, etc.  They kept insisting 
that once we were there for awhile we would never want to leave.  We left
after 2 years.  We've onle made it as far as Ohio, but we are trying to 
work our way back to some Michigan shoreline.  

/TL  tlundgre@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Date: 4 Sep 1992 14:38:14 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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Two follow-ups for the price of one!

In article <1992Sep4.122329.29803@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> bkb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (brian.bebeau) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.005033.15368@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>>I do miss scuba diving in WI lakes and quarries.

   Hey, I musta run into you (or more likely swam by totally unseen)
in the murky depths at some point!  Ever dive the Redgranite quarries?
How about Devil's Lake down south, or some Lake Superior wreck diving
(sad to say my favorite, since most are off the Michigan coast :-)?

>>I miss hanging around with folks that appreciate beer and brats.  Ya just
>>dohn't see dat enee wear elts hey!
>
>The most German
>restaurant here (and about the only one!) sells something called a
>"Bahama Mama". Nobody knows what *real* brats should taste like. Nothing
>certainly comes close to a *Sheboygan* brat. For that matter, there are
>few ethnic restaurants, unless you count the 103 Chinese ones. There
>are certainly no Serbian or Polish ones, for instance (boy, I miss
>Old Town).

   I find roughly the same situation here in the northeast (well, there
are ethnic, just not N. European ethnic-- RI has all the Portugese and
Italian you can possibly stomach).  However, I was back in Wisconsin
(spelled it right this time) last month, and imported some brats, which'll
be consumed by a select group of devotees (and a few converts and
initiates) this weekend.

> As for the beer, I wouldn't know. I gave up beer when I was 12.
>I had some really bad beer that made me swear off the stuff for life,
>and I haven't had a drop since. I think it was Oconto beer, or maybe 
>that swill they brewed in Two Rivers.

   Try some of the excellent microbrewery and brewpub products now
available.  Avoid megabrewery swill (and Leinies :-).

>And you can't find a radio station that plays polkas to save your life!

   Well, there *are* some good things about not living there anymore. :-)
>
>>David Knapp                                     University of Colorado, Boulder
>>Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu

   David, any jobs for research programmers with image processing
skills & interests out there?  Five pounds of real Wisconsin bratwurst
and a case of Garten Brau for any information leading to gainful
employment! (Only 1/2 :-)
>-- 
>=====================================================================
>Brian Bebeau			Interactive Systems at AT&T-Columbus
>brian@cblph.att.com   or   bkb@cbnewsl.att.com
>=====================================================================

  Brian, at least you're closer to home!
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 21:22:22 -0400 
From: Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
 <Bu2GGv.3Jz@solbourne.com> <1992Sep8.190346.13732@balrog.dseg.ti.com>
	<22356@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>
Distribution: usa

Thanks to Keith Schauer for pointing out an oversight.

In my last letter, I said that I missed Miller Beer.  What I
MEANT to say was that I missed *cheap* Miller Beer.

In Pittsburgh, the stuff is $15/case.  In Milwaukee, I can get it
for $10.  Scarry, eh?

Chris.
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                                           Carnegie Mellon University
                                                 (412) 268-8372
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From: john.blandino <john.blandino@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Wisconsin
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:48:43 GMT

In <1992Sep14.042024.3933@ecst.csuchico.edu> lrandall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Laura Randall) writes:


>Believe it or not, we can get Johnsonville brats here in Chico, CA (90 miles
>north of Sacramento). Makes my husband so happy when he can make a pig of
>himself piling that kraut and onions on the beer simmered and grilled brats.
>He *almost* doesn't miss the 30-below winters...But he sure does miss the
>white tailed deer that are larger than the dog-sized black tailed deer we
>have out here. *sigh*

A few years ago I was in a small city near Sonoma, (Boyes Hot Springs, or
something like that ) I stoped in a small restaurant for breakfast. The
place had Green Bay Packers, Milwaukee Braves, and Milwaukee Brewer pennants
all over the place and he served several different types of brats. He said
that he had them flown in every week from Sheboygan.

Has anybody else ever seen this place ????
Does it still exist ?????
Did it ever exist ? ( I did have a little too much tequila the night before )

John
-- 
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                "Enough is as good as a feast"
                                                Mary Poppins
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From: sea7399@zeus.tamu.edu (STEVE)
Subject: Sand bags
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:41:00 GMT


I'm going to be spending part of January meandering around the U.P. in a
two wheel drive Ford Ranger pickup truck.  This vehicle has zero weight
in the bed, and as a result, the back wheels have this nasty habit of
trying to pass up the front ones when they encounter ice.  I plan on
tossing a bunch of sand bags in the back, and was wondering if anybody
has any idea how much sand is enough?  50 pounds, 500 pounds, a thousand???
I've got no clue.  

Thanks,

Steve      



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From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Shoreline
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:16:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.094824.1140@hemlock.cray.com>, dcp@teak05.cray.com (Dennis Parker) writes:
> As long as we're stimulating the newsgroup, here's a quiz.
> Lists the states in order of most Great Lakes shore line.
> Here's my guesses:

> 1. Michigan
> 2. Wisconsin
> 3. Minnesota
> 4. Ohio
> 5. New York
> 6. Illinois
> 7. Pennsylvania
> 8. Indiana

Fun question!  After making my guesses, I got out an Atlas and
tried measuring.  Here are the results I got:

1. MI (1742 miles)
2. WI (512 miles)
3. NY (296 miles)
4. OH (217 miles)
5. MN (153 miles)
6. IL (60 miles)
7. IN (48 miles)
8. PA (44 miles)

I don't guarantee these, as I did not try to follow every bump
and curve;  I also didn't include the Apostle islands, or Mackinaw, etc.,
but I don't think it'll affect the final standings.

Bob
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                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
From: tjrad@iastate.edu (Thomas J Radosevich)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:47:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <Bu2GGv.3Jz@solbourne.com> kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:

> >I miss hanging around with folks that appreciate beer and brats.  Ya just
> >dohn't see dat enee wear elts hey!

>Kopp's Frozen Custard.  'Nuff said.
>-- 
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>| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
>| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"

I second the Kopp's idea.  Often on my return pilgrimages I'll gladly add an
hour or two driving just to pick some up.  I once even approached an employee 
with the idea for brat or beer flavored custard.....   

                                -TOM-
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From: dlc@ais.org (David Claytor)
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:20:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.122024.367@walter.cray.com> jwest@wisc (Jeff West) writes:
>ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson) writes:
>: In <AefeBCm00VolMBn0d5@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>: 
>: I miss those $4 cases of Lienenkugels (sp). Tastes horrid, but you canhave a
>: helluva party for twenty bucks.
>: 
>: -- 
>
>You outta switch to Leine's Limited then!  More $$$ but it's the best beer
>out there.
>


I dunno, I dunno -- they have some terrific beers in Wisconsin.  Andeker on
tap is, well, an aphrodisiac and Point Special is a close second (IMHO!).

__Dave


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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Lake Ontario
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:16:55 GMT

 mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:

: I live in a small city right on the lake (abotu 60 miles
: east of Rochester) and it is lovely (the lake, not the
: city :)  I was in the Green Mountains of Vermont this

Where?  Where?  (I'm guessing Oswego, but I think that's a lot closer to  
Rochester (40 miles/60 KM) ...

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   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
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From: winter@sequent.com (Robert Winter)
Subject: Re: Ex-michiganders
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:50:44 GMT

Me too.  I live in Gang-infested, riot torn,  earthquake ridden,
graffiti strewn, drive by shooting gallery, illegal alien majority,
flood washed, drought stricken, bug infested, economy gone to shit,
unemployment maxed, traffic gridlocked, government gridlocked, hell hole
that is known as Southern California and I am beginning to believe that
maybe, just maybe I might like to live in a huge house on a lake on a 10
acre lot in Michigan for the price that I payed for my house.

Robert Winter
Sequent Computer Systems
Costa Mesa, CA       
winter@sequent.com
...uunet!sequent!winter




Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 18:11:30 -0400 
From: Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.alt.great-lakes: 8-Sep-92 Re: WISCONSIN!!! by
Keith A. Schauer@balrog. 

> East Side, Bradford Beach, Holy Hill, Dandelion Park, 4th July Fireworks
> Schlitz Circus Parade, War Memorial Center, 81st Street School, Wilbur
> Wright Jr. High, James Madison Sr High, UW-M, Hoyt Park, Dretzka Park,
> Cooper Park, Lake Shore Drive, Menominee Rive Parkway, Harley Davidson,
> Briggs & Stratton, Master Lock, Milwaukee County Zoo

Hear hear!  A few things, tho.  I believe the Circus parade is sponsored in
part or in whole by Miller Brewing Co.  That's another thing I'd put on the
list of cool Milwaukee things I miss.  MILLER BEER.  Ah.  The finer things
in life.

"If you wanna be a badger,
Just come along with me,
By the bright, shining light,
By the light of the moon.

If you wanna be a badger,
Just come along with me,
By the bright shining light of the moon!"

Or how about this one:

"My heart is in Madison.
M-A-D-I-S-O-N
Where the boys are the squarest.
The girls are the fairest,
Of any old town I've been in.

My heart is in Madison.
M-A-D-I-S-O-N
In all kinds of weather,
We'll all stick together,
in M-A-D-I-S-O-N."

My head and heart are full of them!

Chris
Badger fan from Hell.

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                                           Carnegie Mellon University
                                                 (412) 268-8372

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From: elleng@microware.com (Ellen Grant)
Subject: Re: Ex-michiganders
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:54:50 GMT

In article <Bu0FH7.GDE@csn.org> bletts@teal.csn.org (Barbra Letts) writes:
>I'm out here stuck in Colorado, known for all the natural beauty and mountains,
>and _still_ miss Michigan.  When I think of home, I think of Lake Superior.
>
>Grew up in Marquette, and wish I could get a job to support myself up there.
>
>Sniffle-sniffle.

I know what you mean--I grew up in Baraga (about 90 miles west of Marquette)
and spent 5 years in Houghton.  I think I miss water about the most (...and 
the pine trees, and the waterfalls, and ...).  But, at least I get back a
couple of times a year...


Ellen Grant

***Still searching for a disclaimer, so this'll have to do for now.
From: mhoppe@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:43:38 GMT
Reply-To: mhoppe@hoppe.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: mhoppe@hoppe.austin.ibm.com


In article <chiquita.715478077@camelot>, chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
> 
> Well, John, this is a group that talks about the 
> attributes of Michigan, and asks questions related to
> tourism and stuff...  I like it.  Being from a little tourist
> town on Lake Huron just north of Bay City, I love it.
> Btw...where do all ye fellow Michiganders hail from?
> Steph
> 

Hey, I think I can follow this news group.  I grew up between
Bay City and Saginaw, and spent 5 years in the UP (MTU).  Spent
some time in upstate New York, and now live in wonderful Austin.
Still have lots of friends and family in mid-Michigan and make   
it up there a couple times a year.  Christmas just aint the same
when you're wearing shorts and a t-shirt!
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From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:03:46 GMT

In article <Bu2GGv.3Jz@solbourne.com> kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>While reading article <1992Sep4.005033.15368@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, I noticed that
>knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) said the following:
> >In article <kedX01600Uzx02jlZG@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >>U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!! U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!!
> >>

When You've Said WIS-CONSIN, You Said It ALL!
	(who remembers that commercial?)

> >>(Milwaukee is actually just as cool, but I'll go with the whole
> >>state as my vote)

East Side, Bradford Beach, Holy Hill, Dandelion Park, 4th July Fireworks
Schlitz Circus Parade, War Memorial Center, 81st Street School, Wilbur Wright
Jr. High, James Madison Sr High, UW-M, Hoyt Park, Dretzka Park, Cooper Park,
Lake Shore Drive, Menominee Rive Parkway, Harley Davidson, Briggs & Stratton,
Master Lock, Milwaukee County Zoo

> >>
> >I miss hanging around with folks that appreciate beer and brats.  Ya just
> >dohn't see dat enee wear elts hey!
>
>Kopp's Frozen Custard.  'Nuff said.

Usingers, Amerika's Finst 
-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
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			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: vax1::rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu (Roy Bengal Tiger)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: What isn't great about 'em
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:05:29 GMT
Reply-To: vax1::rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu (Roy Bengal Tiger)
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


I'm serious. They are incredibly polluted, they smell bad, and the beaches 
are littered with trash and dead fish. Only the Canadian shores of Lake
Ontario have any aesthetic quality.

--
ROY
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From: zeus@cs1.bradley.edu (Alex Lecea)
Subject: Re: Lake Huron
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:06:52 GMT

Stephanie Buffman writes:

>Does anyone know anymore about the black organic substance that washed
>up on the shore of Lake Huron in the Saginaw Bay?  Did they ever discern
>what it was?

>(it is my hometown, and I wonder...)
>Steph

I think they found out that it was basically lots of algae and other
organic goop that grew a lot more than usual this summer because of
the really wierd (even for Michigan!) weather this summer.

Alex
--
         Monday is a terrible way to spend one seventh of your life.
From: ldg@drbug3.dr.att.com (131A40000-GibbonsD(DR6702)262)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:28:56 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep4.122329.29803@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, bkb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (brian.bebeau) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep4.005033.15368@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:

|> "Bahama Mama". Nobody knows what *real* brats should taste like. Nothing
|> certainly comes close to a *Sheboygan* brat. For that matter, there are

What? We even have Sheboygan brats out here in Colorado! No hard rolls
or Bratwurst Day though.


-- 
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-- Doug Gibbons			| ldg@druhi.att.com or att!druhi!ldg
-- AT&T Bell Laboratories 
-- Denver CO
From: edmunds@vaxb.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Lake Ontario
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:42:37 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS


  dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
  > 
    >  mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
    > 
    > : I live in a small city right on the lake (abotu 60 miles
    > : east of Rochester) and it is lovely (the lake, not the
    > : city :)  I was in the Green Mountains of Vermont this
    > 
    > Where?  Where?  (I'm guessing Oswego, but I think that's a lot closer to  
    > Rochester (40 miles/60 KM) ...
    > 

  I'm not from Oswego, but I've spent a good bit of time there.  A lot of
my family's in Upstate New York -- we spent all our summers in a cottage
on Otisco Lake (a Finger Lake, more or less), and took trips up to visit
relatives with a cottage on Lake Ontario at Selkirk.
  Upstate New York, particularly in summer and fall, has to be one the 
prettiest spots in the country.  If they could just jettison NYC into the
Atlantic, things would be a lot cheaper, too.

-- Dave Edmunds

  Living in The Golden State (the color of brown grass)
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