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From: nananuku@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How much is too much?
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:49:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.18770.2ade9e32

>>I normally lift weights twice a week, and run, bike, or swim on the other
>>days.  I don't try to combine weights with aerobics on the same day,
>>since one workout would leave me tired for the other.
>>
> 
> Great.  Thanks for the input.  Now, I'm also interested in reactions
> of people that are doing what I'm doing -- trying to combine the two
> on lift days.
> 
> Now, Covert Bailey recommends aerobic exercise every day.  Does
> lifting instead on 3 of those days make a significant decrease in
> fat-burning/muscle-leaning improvement?
> 
> For that matter, would it be better to lift only once or twice a 
> week instead of my 3-5, and do aerobic activity on the other days?
> 
> Or would it be better to go to the gym twice on lift days, once for
> lifting and once for aerobic?
> 
  IMO, it is possible to combine weight training with aerobic activity
on the same day. For a light aerobic activity, it probably won't affect
your weight training much. However if your aerobic activity is heavy
(i.e. exhaustive), then it is better to go through weight training
early in the day, rest 4-6 hours, and then do the aerobic activity.
Also take in a lot of carbohydrate during the rest. This will give
your body a chance to clear lactic acid and recuperate. 
  It is also a good idea to alternate between a weight+heavy aerobic
day and a light aerobic day with one rest day per week.

S.N.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Tingling Feet..Why?????
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:35:37 GMT

From article <1992Oct16.131701.15979@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au>, by ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au:
> Occasionally when I do lots of propulsion work in my step class - I get a
> tingling sensation in the balls of my feet.

  Are your shoes too tight? Are they tighter than others you wear?
  I experienced slight numbness in my toes on longer runs when 
  lacing my shoes too tightly. (or when wearing socks that were too thick)
  I would say definitely check into this. Your shoes are very important,
  and numbness or tingling is *not* a good sign. If you have a very high
  arch I would consider supports or even a visit to your orthopedic md.

  Cheers,
-Max

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:32:05 GMT

In article <ratner.718477555@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner) writes:
>cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct7.151004.14470@spdc.ti.com> wall@spdc.ti.com (Raj Wall) writes:
>>> [ question about pec workout deleted ]
>
>>Flyes are great, and I usually do them at the end of each and every
>>chest workout: but tell the person who told you than flat/incline
>>benches are a waste of time that he doesn't know shit.
>
>>If you were only to do 2 chest exercises for the rest of your life,
>>it would be flat and incline presses.
>
>>Ron
>
>I most whole-heartedly agree.  I usually try and do flys after my chest
>routine, but all too often I see people in the gym who think that 5 sets
>of flat-bench makes a good chest workout.  Didn't Arnold make _incline_
>bench his staple for chest workout, not the flat bench?  For the past
>9 months or so I have switched so I do incline bench first in my
>workout, then flat bench, and I have noticed deinite improvement in
>my build (and strength).
>
>-- Dave
>
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Arnold hit his chest from every conceivable angle, but flat/inclines
were his staples.  I just got done with a 2 month period where I
was starting off with incline benches.  For the past few weeks,
I've been starting off with (and going heavy on) the flat bench -
*then* doing my incline work WITH DUMB BELLS, which are far superior
to bar bells (in my humble opinion).

For a long time I refused to do flyes because I kept reading how
they weren't a "mass movement".  But then I read a short article
in Flex (you know, those 1 page thingys) from my "attitude"-idol
Achim Albrecht who does like to flyes, and heavy ones at that (well, he goes
heavy on everything, which is why I say he is my "attitude"-idol - he
doesn't have one of my favorite physiques, though).

The thing with flyes is you really have to concentrate with 'em.
You have to feel 'em.  You have to consciously contract your pecs.
You can't just grab some heavy weights and go through the motions
(besides, you won't even be using your pecs all that much, and will 
probably end up ripping a bicep!).  But I do go as heavy as proper
form allows (whcih for me, is 40-45 on the flat bench).

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: juliano@cs.fsu.edu (Benjoe Juliano)
Subject: Body fat content
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:57:15 GMT


I recently had my body fat content estimated in our campus gym via the
caliper method.  I know this is more unreliable than other methods that
are available (whichever there are).  But I got the following table of
ranges for interpreting body fat % in men:


				MALE	FEMALE

		Excellent	 <10
		Good		11-13
		Average		14-20
		Fair		21-23
		Poor		 >24


Could anyone please fill out the column for the women?



P.S.  BTW, I was estimated to have 12% body fat content  (8=


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From: mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Bad Days
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:37:33 GMT
Reply-To: mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



     Anybody have any remedies for days where you just cant gett
    started ?  Other guys Ive talked to seem to experience the same
    type of fatigue.  My diet. contains the right stuff and am taking
    several vitamin supplements.  It generally occurs on days.of..bad
    weather or a day-after an intense workout.  Ive tryed a high frutose
    drink or caffine and honey and it seems to help but it tends to
----burn out fast and hard..   Where in the HELL is the backspace on
----this DAMN-key-board??????
			       -------
					    Mike


    So that's what cryptonite looks like !
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: glycogen (Was: Stupd (?) question about fat)
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:44:38 GMT

The comments about glycogen in this thread seem to ring true for me.

I am studying Tae Kwon Do, and try to work out five or six times a week (a VERY  
intense workout, with a renowned 6th degree black belt Korean master).  Looking  
around at the other students in the class, some of them are VERY good for their  
belt level, and some are just mediocre.

And, for all of the mediocre students (in comparison to the others), there is  
what appears to me to be a commonality-- they are all "pudgy" (at least, in  
comparison).  All of the excellent students very obviously have a much lower  
body fat percentage.

I am one of the "pudgy" ones.  My moves are slow, and my fat gets in the way of  
stretching exercises.  It's pathetic.

I feel that, if I am ever to become one of the excellent students, my weight  
must come down about 30-35 pounds.  And, regular exercise doesn't seem to be  
doing the job.

Tae Kwon Do is not a "muscle mass" sport.  I don't need the mass.  I need  
speed, focus (i.e., balance), and flexibility first, and muscle mass second.  I  
am serious about losing the weight, and exercise isn't doing it.

My solution has been to try one of those Doctor-administered liquid diets (from  
Health Management Resources), together with some selective supplemental foods,  
for about 1000 calories a day.

The result has been cronic fatigue.  I feel OK in the afternoon, and actually  
start feeling pretty good in the evening when I begin the workout.  About  
mid-way through, I feel very fatigued, and by the end, I feel very shakey and  
exhausted.  The next morning, I still feel tired and sore, and have no energy.  
By afternoon, I start feeling OK, then in the evening, feel pretty good, and  
then the cycle repeats.

After reading these posts on Glycogen, I wonder if I am suffering glycogen  
depletion.  Any comments?

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: Flat Butt
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:13:05 GMT

In-Line Skating, Quick Walking, Cycling, or Running are all good for
thy glutes...
From: ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Tingling Feet..Why?????
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:17:01 GMT
Organization: University Of Queensland

Occasionally when I do lots of propulsion work in my step class - I get a
tingling sensation in the balls of my feet. The shoes I wear are cross-trainers
(Nike Air Hurrache) rather than shoes designed esapecially for aerobics.

Is there any reason for this sensation? Can wearing the wrong shoes be harmful?
(I found the cross trainers had more support for my arches than the aerobic
shoe). I don't experience the sensation when I do any other class (even high
impact aerobics).

Anyone have any ideas why I might be getting this sensation - or reason why/why
not wearing cross trainers during aerobics might be harmful to my feet.


Thanks in advance,
Loretta...
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles
From: VSANNICE@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Annice Grinberg)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:12:03 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science

In article <4160014@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis) writes:

>
>        The problems of fat......each person has their particular place
>where they would store fat first, yours happens to be the love handles.
>They will not come off until you are completely down on your fat
>reserves.  Hence, drop more weight (fat) and they should come off.  The
>way to drop weight is to have a good diet (low in fats, etc) and plenty
>of exercise.  Remember, when you start to gain (fat), guess where the
>fat will pop up first.....
>
>        Kirk
>
My fat accumulates around the buttock and thigh area.  When I get below a
certain weight, the top part of me gets scrawny and I start losing what
little breast tissue I have.  My face gets gaunt, and my collarbone juts
out.  I once went for some minor surgery at this stage, and had a hard
time convincing the doctor that I wasn't in the throes of starvation.
Every rib was visible.  I have decided that at my age (over 50) a some-         sterior is better than a haggard appearance.
what large posterior is the price I have to pay not to look like an old
crone.  (Anyway, my husband likes it.)

Annice
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bad Days
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:18:57 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

mfuchs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mike Fuchs) writes:
>     Anybody have any remedies for days where you just cant gett
>    started ?

Yeah. Do what you can and move on. Occasional down days happen. Your body is
telling you something, so listen. The biggest problem with pushing yourself
through the down cycles is that you're more likely to injure yourself of do
something stupid.

If they become a habit, it might well be an indication that you're regularly
overtraining and/or not having enough recovery time, so you need to back
off. But once in a while, I wouldn't sweat it. Sometimes the body just needs
a bit of a break, and it'll figure out a way to get it.

>  Where in the HELL is the backspace on
>----this DAMN-key-board??????

Up there in the corner, of course.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: split routine question
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:57:42 CDT


In article <1992Oct9.083629.8487@mr.med.ge.com>, bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
|> I always rotate from one session to another, if you work arms 3 days 
|> and legs one you could end up with 22" arms and 20" thighs.  If you
|> want to stay balanced you need to spend an equal amount of time on 
|> each muscle.	
Technically yes, realistically no.  Legs have more muscle tissue than your arms, 
therfore, when you tear down more muscle tissue in your legs as compared to
your arms, so your legs will become larger after 1 workout than your arms.
I do agree that a lot (2 words) of people neglect legs and they are easy
to spot on the beach.  
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: etxpell@mega.ericsson.se (Pelle Arvinder)
Subject: Stupid (?) question about fat
Reply-To: etxpell@mega.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:57:01 GMT

I have a really stupid question about fat vs. carbohydrates.
Everyone knows that it's not good to use fat as energy source, but
instead you should use carbohydrates.
 
My question is: 
Since fat contains about four times as much energy as carbohydrates 
and protein, and fat is supposed to be burnt first when exersicing 
aerobically (at least that's my conclusion of the discussion about
aerobic vs. anaerobic exercise before), why not use fat for energy? 
If you only calculated how much energy you use when exercising, and 
tried to keep your "fat in-take" at the same level, you should be 
able to burn all the fat.

I know this doesn't hold, but I would be interested to hear an
explanation.

Cheers,
       Pelle

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Benchpress and Psychology
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:24:09 GMT

In article <92285.161950IK10015@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IK10015@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I realize that flat bench pressing is more of of a
>'psychological deal' as much as anything but how can
>I overcome this fear of not being able to "bench"
>I've been working out for almost a year now, and I've
>Increased drastically on my other wightlifting cater-
>gories, except'pressing' any ideas ??
>send letter via E-mail
>--Michael

mike, simply have someone spot you.

poobear
From: mdcolby@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:07:14 GMT
Reply-To: mdcolby@OCTAVO

I've an additional question on the love handles issue.  After a long
bout of inactivity, I got quite flabby in the stomach area.  Now I'm
back on an aerobics, running and abdominal exercise routine.  It
seems that the aerobics and running should help keep my body fat
down, but, once I've got my gut under control, can I reduce my
abdominal workout to a maintenance routine?  Currently, I'm doing
a 25 minute abdominal workout three times a week.  While I forsee
continuing the rest of my workout (which is 40 minutes of aerobics
twice a week plus one 30 min run a week) ad infinitum, will I have
to keep up with the abs at the same pace, or else risk the return
of flubber?

Michael
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Aerobic VS. Weights
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:58:45 GMT

In <1bf8ljINNh07@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rpc@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert P Chauvin) writes:
>>I have a question I'd like to ask for my girlfriend.  Is it better to
>>just do aerobic exercises to lose weight in the legs?  She does both
>>aerobic (step, bicycle, etc.) and also trains with weights.  She has good
>>definition in her legs and does not want to stop using weights.  She
>>does want to lose some fat in her legs.  Can she continue to do both or
>>should she just concentrate on the aerobic exercises until the desired
>>weight is lost?

I think she should continue to do both.  If she wants to lose fat, she
will need to burn more calories than she takes in.  Aerobic exercise can
help by burning calories and, depending on whether you believe Covert
Bailey, improve your muscle's ability to burn fat at other times as well.

Weight lifting, on the other hand, makes more muscle.  Since your basal
metabolism is directly propoprtional to your lean body mass, the more 
muscle you have, the more calories you burn each day doing nothing!
Since it is very hard for women to "bulk" up, you really don't have to
worry about her turning into Arnold.  And if she wants to keep lifting,
that's all the more reason for her to continue.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.food.veg
From: paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler)
Subject: Re: Another question about bulking up for veggies
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.225422.22558@wam.umd.edu> davidcam@wam.umd.edu (David Gordon Campbell) writes:
>I have seen articles on the net in the past on  how a pencil-neck geek
>vegan like me can bulk up, i.e. add muscle mass.  Somebody gave references
>to articles in Muscle & Fitness.  Not being able to find a library near me with back issues, I was at a loss.
>
>Are there any books out there, that might help?
>
>
>So, are there any books for Vegans on bulking up?  Or can someone recommend
>something else.
>

Here's something else: You don't need a book.  Just lift weights, and increase
your calorie intake, without increasing your fat intake.  It's really that
simple, unless you're planning to go into competition ASAP.

If you really feel like you need some pointers, get some books on basic
bodybuilding and nutrition.  Finding a book specifically for vegans is     
unnecessary and unlikely.



......................................... Paul Fidler .................
"Please consult your physician            NCR Corporation, Columbia, SC
 before exercising with Lee Haney"        paul@clodii.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: flex@camelot.bradley.edu (James Cook)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest 
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  7 Oct 92 17:19:58 GMT

In <1992Oct7.151004.14470@spdc.ti.com> wall@spdc.ti.com (Raj Wall) writes:

>After reading a suggestion here (I don't have the author, sorry), I
>have been doing incline and decline press in addition to regular bench
>press.  At the gym I was told I was wasting my time with incline and
>decline _press_ and what I needed to do was incline and decline
>_flys_.  I appeal to the collected wisdom of the net: Are incline and
>decline press exercises a waste of time?  Should I only do flys?
>Both?  Thanks for your help.

>Regards,
>Raj
>wall@csc.ti.com

	Flyes are great for building overall mass on the pecs, especially
in the outer regions.  The more you incline or decline the bench, the 
higher or lower (respectively) you work your pecs (higher or lower in location,
not intensity, etc.).  For instance, if you want to work your inner upper
pecs, incline flyes immediately followed by narrow grip incline bench press
will work you quite well.  Never limit yourself to just one type of exercise.
Your body will grow if you confuse it with different exercises at different
intervals.  

Jim Cook
Flex@camelot.bradley.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 16:19:50 EDT
From: <IK10015@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Benchpress and Psychology

I realize that flat bench pressing is more of of a
'psychological deal' as much as anything but how can
I overcome this fear of not being able to "bench"
I've been working out for almost a year now, and I've
Increased drastically on my other wightlifting cater-
gories, except'pressing'
any ideas ??
send letter via E-mail
--Michael
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Originator: kxs5829@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:13:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.203551.11144@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>How does the Universal bench compare to real bench as far as results
>for most of you?  I heard for years that machines were inferior to
>"real" weights, but I scoffed it away as nonsense.  As I was doing
>flat bench and incline at the time it didn't matter anyway.

	Universal machines are significantly easier because you don't have to
control the bar.  So you can put all your energy into pushing the weight up.

	- Kyle

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From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: What Happened to my Thoughts?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:14:15 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article 8944@unix386.Convergent.COM, jeff@unix386.Convergent.COM (Jeff Beckmann) writes:
:whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
:
:
::	P.S. I saw this guy in the gym today who had this massive
::	     needle mark on his arm. Either he's a regular at the 
::	     blood donation clinic or...-- 
::----                               
::                                                  ...Antony R Hare............ 
:
:I thought most people injected I.M. steroids in their buttocks.
:Where is Adam when you need him?

Some people inject steroids in their shoulders. I don't know why. One professional
bodybuilder once said that B12 worked better if you injected it in your shoulder.
I guess he was delirious from all the other stuff he was using :-)

I know that some bodybuilders only inject in their thighs the last 6 months or so
before competition. This is (they say) if you inject in your buttocks, some of the
steroids can get into the fat instead of the muscle. When you diet, you loose 
this fat and the the steroids are released from the fat. Then you test posivite
even if you've been off the injectibles for a loooong time.
I don't know if this is true, but it sounds reasonable.

Jan


:
:Jeff