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From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.224106.933@erg.sri.com> rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) writes:
>In the referenced article, whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>>any one of them as _my_ father.  Bunch of priggish anal-retentive gits.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
>
>Why do I get the feeling that you just heard these three words
>somewhere and decided they sounded like good insults?

Uh, nope, Ray, I've known all but the last one for quite a long time.  This
is simply one place wherein they are all entirely appropriate.
The most recent verbal acquisition, "gits", is straight out of aus.jokes,
where I read a delightful definition of it, which fit you gits to a "T".

(I realize that, in the context of this thread, my depiction of the bunch as
"priggish" and "anal-retentive" is redundant.  Mea culpa.)
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com



-- 
-- If I ain't programmin' I ain't awake! --




Xref: sparky soc.singles:34123 ba.singles:2665
From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,ba.singles
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:21:04 GMT
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

In article <1992Dec16.231202.11365@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>Allow me to add my voice to the clamor.  Should I be presented
>with Mr. Tickle Monster's Pre-Sex Contract, said presenter would
>not ever get another date with me.  I wouldn't even bother
>"negotiating" terms.  I'd just tell him "Hasta la vista, baby."

I'm beginning to think Mr. Monster's contract is of some use after
all.  We've now identified a population of local single women who
refuse to date him.  Just think of all the face-to-face rejection other
men have to experience to get that far...

Sadly for Tickle, I think the only women who said they would sign his
PSC are already taken.

Charleen
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:54:22 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <MARTINC.92Dec15080814@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>Don't be a cretin, Keith.  And try news.announce.newusers as well.

I humbled myself, and then Charles, who is a fellow North Carolinian,
flames me once again.  I think that Charles must not be a native
North Carolinian, because we don't do that.  By the way, although
I consider myself farily educated, and I've hung out on the UNC
campus many times, I would like to know what the word "cretin" means?
--Keith

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak)
Subject: Re: Abortion...isn't a man's choice.
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Distribution: naworld
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 08:24:45 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Dec11.142602.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>
>> Do you expect him to pay for an abortion he doesn't want and may be
>> morally against. Hello I am listening.
>
>   Yes. Why ?
>   Because it's part of the general social contract. When you have sex, you
>share responsibility for the outcome. That the male did *NOT* attempt to
>discuss beforehand the issue of abortion with the female suggests that he was
>at the time willing to accept the social consensus which is that the woman has
>the right to have an abortion.

This is not the issue -- no one is arguing her right to have an abortion.
The questions are: Should he have to pay for it? and Is it okay if he leaves
her should she have an abortion he is morally against?

>   As a counter-point, if I was morally opposed to war, I'm still not entitled
>to reduce my taxes in proportion to defence spending. The accepted social
>standard is that the Government makes the spending decisions. We're entitled
>to try and affect these, but if we want to remain members of the community,
>we accept them whether or not we agree with them or not.

That's the whole point -- if you're really opposed to defense spending, you
can leave the country and stop supporting it.  The guy is within his rights
to not pay for the abortion and leave the girl.

>   He's morally opposed to abortion. He is not entitled to prevent the female
>from getting it, should it occur. 

Why does this issue keep coming up?

>That is because it is an accepted social
>standard that she should be able to obtain it (despite that many object to it).

Social standards are too subjective and conflicting to basis an argument
of right and wrong on.

>   And by depriving her of funds, he's taking away her decision. Despite the
>fact that he shares responsibility for the problem.

Aren't there government programs/hospitals that pay for abortions for poor
women?
-- 
Mark Nowak                          | By means of the easy and the simple we
SWM, 25, 5'11", seeking SF ...      | grasp the laws of the whole world.  When
Chicago, Illinois                   | the laws of the whole world are grasped,
INTERNET: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com    | therein lies perfection. - I Ching
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:05:39 GMT

In article <75416@apple.apple.COM>, pooh@Apple.COM (Pooh) writes:
> That's a very good question, Leo.  My advice:
> 
> 1.  Don't deny her view of herself.  Some women think they're
>     overweight when they're not; but nothing is more annoying 
>     than to *know* you're overweight and have someone say "Oh,
>     nonsense."  Acknowledge it but in a way that shows that
>     you accept it ("Okay, you're a little overweight, but so what?

Yes, show her that it doesn't matter, but be careful of the wording.
I had one girl/woman friend who constantly complained about her weight,
and dieted constantly.  She did have problems with keeping her weight 
down but it didn't matter to me (we were friends for years before we dated
so I knew what I was getting into).
Back home we had a saying about being more woman for the money (ie bargin)
and most women I knew growing up accepted this as a compliment (that you
liked them that way or at least it didn't matter to you).  However when
I told her this (with a humorous tone of voice) her hearing seemed to
pick up one word and one word only----MONEY---- and translated that into
me calling her a prostitute.  So I spent several minutes using the words
like "yes dear, I didn't mean it like that dear, yes dear I was wrong,
you know I love you, etc. etc."  
MORAL: word it carefully and two weeks in advance so you can review/rewrite
your response.

Larry Billings

> Pooh
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:19:45 GMT

In article <oneil.724227891@cwis>, oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
> 
> How important /is/ sex to a relationship?
> 
> sharon
> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu
> 

Not terribily, I've actually had one girl break up with me because I didn't
"try anything" often enough.  Actually I would have "tried" it more often
but we had discussed it and decided that I would not be pushy about it.  I
guess I followed instructions too well.  Actually, I'm quite flexible about
the frequency of the action, I wouldn't turn it down if offered, but the
lack does not overly distress me.  I am quite happy to sit and talk, do the
huggy-kissy thing, and generally share time with each other, then if the
time feels right "just do it".  BTW I'm not saying these things "just" to
get in good with the females, but if it that happens, OH well... :)

Larry
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein)
Subject: Re: Women: would you go out with a man dumber than you?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:27:20 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Dec16200914@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.172504.29957@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>
>   I have to.
>
>>No you don't.

>>		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu

Are you guys dating ??
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:54:08 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.195706.15527@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:

|I feel that having another couple join them without having told Jane
|is rude.  I've had that happen before, and was very uncomfortable with it.

I won't comment on anything else in this article other than this because
I've pretty much said my piece and don't really have anything to add.

In any case, just a couple of weeks ago I asked someone out to
dinner and then invited ba.singles to join us?  You didn't seem very 
uncomfortable then?  OK, I did tell Debra before about inviting ba.singles
to join us but she didn't mind.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:33:27 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec16.014926.5710@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
>In article <15914@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>If I ask a woman out for dinner on a "traditional
|>date" I am doing so because I want to get to know the woman better.  I am
|>asking for the pleasure of her company and the chance to display
|            --- -------- -- --- -------
|>attractive qualities that I might have, one of which is my generosity
|>to those that I care for.
|
|Remember "Paying for Pleasure", the thread (around the summer of '90,
|I think) that would never die?  

Sure, I remember that thread, and the umpteen other times this subject has
come here.  That thread doesn't apply.  I am *not* "paying for pleasure".
I am paying because I want to treat a woman to something that I think she
will enjoy.  Even in the 90's, I still think women actually like having
nice things done for them.

|Where's Mark Sobolewski when I need him? :-)

Sorry, you're on your own on this one.
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: soc.singles,ba.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Happy Holidays
Summary: *** Not a net.personality ***
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:13:23 GMT

     To everyone on soc.singles and ba.singles, which include
the people who disagree with my outlook on life:

          I wish that you have a great holiday season
          and get what you wish for!!!!  

-- 
"Blind faith in your leaders or anything will get you killed." B. Springsteen
                                         +---------------------------------+
  +-----------------------------------+ /  On Vacation:  12/21 to 12/27   /
 /   // Mr. Tickle Monster   // Amiga ++---------------------------------+
|  \X/   W. David Rohwer   \X/  3000  /  Internet: rohwerwd@netcom.COM  /
+------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:02:23 GMT

In article <15904@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.150328.14629@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>|
>|>If a man asks me out, and I don't know him very well, I assume he's
>|>paying.  If he doesn't, he's got no class whatsoever, IMO.  Frankly, it
>|>hasn't happened to me (though it did happen to a friend of mine).  
>|>
>|Lauren,
>|Let's say that you _do_ know him well (assuming just-good-friends, here);
>|
>|If he does not pick up the tab (rather than splitting the tab, for instance),
>|is he _still_ lacking in class?
>|
>|When you go out with one of your girlfriends, do you automatically expect
>|her to pick up the tab?
>|
>|Inquiring minds want to know :-).
>|
>|Keith R
>
>I can't believe this.  Three knee jerk responses in a row.  Look at the
>first five words of Lauren's article (If a man asks me out).  It looks to
>me like Lauren is describing a "traditional" date, in which case traditional
>values should hold.  If *I* ask a woman out for dinner (which I assume
>we're talking about here) I will *at least* offer to pay.  I am probably
>going to choose the restaurant, or at least give the woman a choice of places
>to go, in which case I am not going to expect the woman to pay.  Not even
>half.  I am asking her out and treating her to dinner. 

John,
Please be advised that I am well-aware of the traditions here, being a
life-long citizen of this country.  I am simply questioning the built-in
assumptions _behind_ the tradition.  An answer like:

	"But this is how it has _always_ been done."

does not "cut it" with me.... you have to do better!  When you go someplace
with one of your homeboys, who pays?  Does it matter who invited who?
Also, wherein did Lauren _specify_ that it was "traditional", or a "date"?

>If she asked me out
>it might be different.  This is different than, say, asking someone to meet
>me after work for a couple of drinks.  Of course in that case this would
>probably take place in a bar and she'd just be a cheap, sleazy, hussy anyway
>and it wouldn't make any difference if I had and class. 
>
Are you sure that a "smiley" is not appropriate here?  Have you never met
a female-just-friend-co-worker after work for a coupla' drinks?  Was she
a cheap, sleazy hussy?  Is she reading this?  :-)

Keith R
>
>-- 
>+==========================================================================+
>| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
>| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
>+==========================================================================+


Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,misc.legal
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Keywords: Kevin, shithouse-lawyer, rohwerd, bullshit-contract
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:12:31 GMT

kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec20.055251.21861@netcom.com> whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>>Jesus Hyman Christ, people!  Were it not for the occasional glints of humour
>>in the writings of Desiree and Jackie, my "n" key would be worn out by now.
>>
>>It just seems to me that you guys are so busy mindfucking around with contracts
>>that you'll never get down to the real thing, even were you to find some woman
>>willing after being exposed to your chilling psychological demeanors.  For
>>dog's sake, Kevin, "Wrt", and "tortious", yet?  Gawd, I'm soooo impressed!
>>
>>Actually, in the case of K&R (and I don't mean Kernighan and Ritchie), I might
>>even suggest full emasculation as a total solution to your problems with the
>>determination of responsibility for fucking.  If you can't, you aren't!  EOP!
>>
>>Happy holidays, gits,
>>Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com

>Do you have something to contribute to the discussion besides impotent
>pissing and whining, Mr. Whedon?

>								- Kevin

	Include me out. It's become boring. --Jackie--
From: taina@cs.Helsinki.FI (Juha Taina)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: on the job
Keywords: pretty co-worker dammit!
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:33:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.helsinki.fi

In <1992Dec20.015420.23999@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca> pally@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Pally Hoffstein) writes:

>Hi everyone. I have a question.

Hi.  I don't have answers, but I have opinions.  I hope that they are
enough.

>I've been thinking about asking out a woman who works at the same place I do.
>Not in the same room as me but on the same floor. I would really like to ask
>her out (I've found out she's single and shy) but I've been too worried to do
>so. It's been drilled into my brain over the years from friends that dating a
>co-worker is a big mistake, even once.

Well, I dated a co-worker for two years and I have to admit that your
friends are at least partly right.  We were equal both in the
relationship and at work, so I don't have experiences about
"boss-relationships".  I guess they are not worth trying.

The bad things about a co-worker relationship is that you don't have
much time of your own. You go to work together, eat lunch together,
have coffee breaks together and come home together.  And, if you have
share an office room too, you spend all your days together.  It can
become frustrating in the long run.  If things don't turn right and
you break up you still have to work together.

Still interested?  Ok, let's go on.  If you think that it's worth of
the try anyway, then think if you really want to ask her out before
you know her a little better.  First get to know her at work.


How to get to know someone at work?  I met my ex by accident.  I
usually played Bridge at Wednesdays, but this time I decided to stay
overtime.  I met her that day and we started to talk (The next time I
played bridge was almost 3 years later after we had broken up).
Things went fine with us because we were in a situation where talking
was natural.  She didn't have much to do at the moment and I was bored
with my work.  So, I think that a good way to meet her is a place at
work where she is comfortable.  You could ask her for a cup of tea or
ask something about her work that might interest you.  Asking her out
for a lunch might work, although she might say no because she is shy.

Don't rush after you have made the first contact.  Let her get used to
your presence and give her time to get to know you.  In a few months
you should know what she would think if you asked her out, and if you
even want to ask her out.  That way, she won't be uncomfortable about
it and you won't loose your face if she says no.

Good luck.







-- 
Juha Taina  taina@cs.helsinki.fi  Phone: +358-0-708-4247
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Lets be HONEST about Abusive things
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:12:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

>> Actually, I think drieux has a very good point here--I know I'd be more
>> than happy to take a good long look at one of Stef's orgasms as what it
>> does to her.

>   Pardon moi, I'm rather new to this, but would 7 points be appropriate ?

It would be, except Trygve loses a point every time he re-uses one of his
suckups. Which means this one scores at approximately -4953.

--
Stef                Just as there are laws of Conservation of Matter and
stef@apple.com      Energy, so there are in fact Laws of Conservation of 
                    Pain and Joy. Neither can ever be created or destroyed.
                         But one can be converted into the other. 
                                                         --Spider Robinson
-- 
--
Stef                Just as there are laws of Conservation of Matter and
stef@apple.com      Energy, so there are in fact Laws of Conservation of 
                    Pain and Joy. Neither can ever be created or destroyed.
                         But one can be converted into the other. 
                                                         --Spider Robinson
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Vasectomies (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract)
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:09:25 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec20.050202.27709@mtu.edu> bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:

>In article <thurlow.724807100@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
>>It's not like you'll start excreting tomato juice after a vasectomy.

>well hey, some women might find it tastier, right? :)
>certainly more nutritious...

Wouldn't a little sage with the stuffing work just as well?  We're all
trying to "eat light" these days, anyway :-)

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"Sometimes it feels like the sun just comes up out of habit,
 And goes down as quick as it can,
 These days, you just have to grab it as it goes by."
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Book
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:04:49 GMT

dreas (atovorni@engr.UVic.CA) wrote:

: In article 25856@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:
: >In article <1992Dec14.014037.26694@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
: >>Three more chapters makes four! </.)
: >>
: >>dreas
: >
: >Careful, dreas, your Sesame Street training is showing.
: 
: Before anyone asks: I like green eggs and ham!!!!

I know what *I'll* be getting dreas for Christmas!! :) :)
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Re: The trouble with subtlety, after all...
Followup-To: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,misc.legal,usa.legal,alt.sex,ba.singles
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.011658.18330@amd.com>, jmw@angelo.amd.com (John
Wincn) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec14.190259.6733@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
> >>If after reading this it still isn't clear to you, try dialing:  
> >> 	384-3333 
> >
> >What area code?
> 
> (For you, and others who have asked)
> 
> When properly arranged, the corresponding letters spell:
> 
> 			DUH-EEEE
> 
> It was a little subtle amusement for a Friday.  I hope you liked it. 

I don't know what the original thread was here, but seeing that the
prefix of this phone number is one used in my area.....................
The phone number above  is also the number for a Travel Agent
here in Champaign-Urbana Illinois.

Cheers !
Kathy
----------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu