HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:07:58 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Distribution: na,uk
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Nov15.071423.22916@midway.uchicago.edu>,
omt1@midway.uchicago.edu quotes from the same "Face" interview I did
[I blame rn: it doesn't seem to find
all the articles in a thread on the first go]:
> "Marky Mark hasn't seen the Gap ads yet [nor have I...anyone?],
> but if he'd been near Hyde Park in London last August, he might
                                                 ^^^^^^
> have wondered why the biggest cheer on the Lesbian and Gay Pride
> march was for a passing double decker bus.

The Face is really so in touch, isn't it.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*holoptic* having the eyes meeting in front"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: spencer@bow.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:37:13 GMT

In article <Bxu2zp.51z@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>
>>I know some people who think that being Gay is a psychological disorder, in
>>some cases. They do not believe that Gay should be given minority status.
>
>Some people think they're Napoleon, but it doesn't make them short.

"You can put your shoes in the oven, but that don't make them biscuits."

Someone put that in a senior thesis last year, I have no idea if it's
original or not.

-----
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
"There comes a time in the history of every project when it becomes
necessary to shoot the engineers and start production."
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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Letter from my father
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:22:55 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov17.204906.23339@oracle.us.oracle.com> dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:

   Yesterday I received a long, surprisingly personal letter from my
   father, who has recently returned from 5 months in Europe.  I 
   thought I would share the relevant part of it, since
   the topics raised might be of interest to many people here.

   I admire his openness, his attempt to understand and deal with
   the situations he presents.  He cannot accept everything that is
   going on, but he is very measured in his reactions -- some of
   which impress me and some of which fill me with amused
   exasperation.

  [letter and comments deleted]

   I'd be happy to hear comments about the above, as well as other
   people's experiences with their parents' coming to terms.

This sounds very positive to me.  I recommend getting a book called
Beyond Acceptance, written by some parents in PFLAG (I'll be happy to
loan it to you if you'd like).  I think it would give you some real
insight before you respond to your father.

The book is mostly interviews with parents in PFLAG, during their
various stages of reaction.  Your father fits right into the pattern
for parents who are moving in the right direction:  After a period of
time of getting over the initial shock and anger, getting curious and
starting to seek out information.  By attending PFLAG on his own
initiative, he shows a real desire to find out what's true, beyond
what society has been telling him for decades.

Going by the stories in the book, if your father continues in this
direction, in another year or two he may reach totally new levels of
acceptance.  But it's a long road, and he'll need you to be there to
be supportive and answer his questions.

As for my own experience...  I don't think I'll ever even get as far
as you have with my parents.  My father has been heavily involved (as
an active participant) in religion since he was 12.  He is not
interested in seeking out new or opposing ideas to his own.  My mother
is in pretty much the same boat.

I'm just hoping to get somewhere with my brothers...

--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:23:25 GMT


In article <BxsBwH.EGF@queernet.org>, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov15.162201.11450@wixer.cactus.org>, lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
|> (Michael Lax) writes:
|> |> Some of us think he's a hunk, others think he's white trash.
|> 
|> Some of us think he's both.

And therefore find ourselves getting a bit fluffy when we 
look at him.

I wouldn't push him off if he sat on *my* face.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: DECUS Meeting in Las Vegas
Summary: DECUS Lambda LUG announcement
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:05:04 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs


For those people attending the DEC User Society symposia in
December being held in Las Vegas, Nevada:

The 1992 Fall DECUS meeting in Las Vegas, Nevada will soon be
upon us.  As usually the Lambda LUG will be running at full tilt
during the week.  This is a note to all soc.motssers, soc.bis,
friends and family that may be in Las Vegas the week of December
5th to 11th for the DEC User Society meeting at the Las Vegas
Convention Center and Hilton.

Look for the Lambda LUG postings at the message board either under
the letter "L" or in the LUG area.  We will be meeting for 
breakfasts and lunches during the week, visiting the local haunts
in the evening, and having our standard Lambda LUG dinner on
Wednesday night.  

Come out and join us that week.  You should be able to find us
loitering about the message boards unless we are playing the
sluts (I mean the slots) in the Casino.

We hope to see you there.

Jim Hubbs
Lambda LUG Vice Den Mother
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:40:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.224047.17123
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov17.112432.1902@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>>learning the word "chthonian" (from what source, I am ashamed to admit), 
>H. P. Lovecraft?

No, I'm fully out of the closet about my love for HP Lovecraft. I even
find uses for words like "cyclopean" and "eldritch". I hope to use
"angles than looked acute, but acted as if they were obtuse" in my
math thesis.

No, I learned "chthonian" from (promise you won't hold it against me?)
Piers Anthony. There, I said it. I've read Stephen King books, too!

ObMotss - I think, objectively, that Anne Rice is only half a step
above the Stephen King, who isn't much better than Piers Anthony. But
she writes stuff that's queer relevant, so I enjoy it more.

ObSex - I bought an Anne Rice book in the Boston airport. Not one of
her vampire stories or one of her porn novels - something about
quadroons in New Orleans.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                Life in all its rich variety, do not falter
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Rowley Redux
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:24:07 GMT


In article <17944@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen
Rowley) writes:

>No Jess, like I did in the two articles i posted last week,
>the ones which didn't elicit as much as a peep from you.

I hope you won't be holding your breath too long, Owen, or
be too shocked to discover that I do not attend upon your
every word.  Possibly I agreed with your substance, if I
read it.  Agreement, in other than extraordinary cases, is a
smaller inducement to comment than disagreement; I know you
understand since it's your own habit virtually never to
agree.  You've said it quite often, I believe, that you
thrive on strife.

>But you never comment on the substance of what i post, you
>wait for a confrontational opportunity.  

I think you're turned slightly around, good buddy.  The peep
I heard from you was that pusillanimous pustule of pompous
bluster responded to above.  The fact is it was you who
waited for a confrontational opportunity, which is after all
your stock in trade.

>You understand me well enough to know it will come, but you
>apparently don't grok that it exposes the baser part of your
>nature.

Speaking as we were of parental nattering...

>You're really slipping Jess, you used to be able to quip
>better than this.

Well, I will just sit here and weep my eyes out about how
I'm slipping, over the hill, a decaying wreck, and all that
great stuff.  Anything so you think you're getting the
attention you deserve ...

>But you did remember to remove the substance I was
>commenting about.

... substance or no.  I hadn't realized you doted on my
favor to quite that degree.  I hope you won't find it too
parental of me to suggest it's time you were weaned.

I know it's bragging, but I thought the Yahweh cult crack
was hilarious, couldn't have happened at a better moment.
It was churlish, however, I'll now confess, not to commend
you for "creamed scorn."

<> Solitude would be ideal if you could pick the people to avoid.
<> -- Karl Kraus
-- 
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[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Some sad news from Colorado
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:09:49 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov17.200958.8885@pixel.kodak.com>, chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.170031.20586@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
# #I wouldn't be so sure who's being short-sighted.  You're a
# #Presbyterian; what are you to make of the PCUSA's decision regarding
# #that lesbian pastor?  How many times must you get stepped on before
# #waking up and saying you won't be associated with any such organized
# #cause which not only works against you within the very institution to
# #which you claim "fellowship", but against you in society at large?
# #
# Steve-- I happen to be a member of Downtown United Presbyterian in
# Rochester, the church which was recently told by the denomination that
# it could not call an openly lesbian pastor, Janie Spahr of San Francisco.

Is she the lesbian pastor that admitted that she filed a false 
police report in San Francisco about being attacked by homophobes?
That she made the whole thing up to get sympathy for the cause?

# Chuck Collins				Product Software Engineering
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (The Great Gazoo)
Subject: Re: I Become a Marrow Donor
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:49:01 GMT

In article <Bxwxy9.IFq@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic  
one) writes:
> In article <Bxvq5w.F6q@phage.cshl.org> boutell@isis.cshl.org (Tom  
Boutell) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov17.191136.5352@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu  
(JOHN HEIM	) writes:
> >>Don't flatter yourself.  The Red Cross doesn't care whether you're gay 
> >>or not.  Every time you go into give blood the questions are  
different.  
> >>Now they asking if you've had multiple sex partners in the last 
> >>year - not caring whether they're same sex or not.
> >
> >Interesting. This spring a friend of mine who happens to be gay and
> >whose sexual experience happens to be exactly zero was disqualified
> >from donating blood on the basis of being gay.
> 
> Perhaps he should ask if they mean
> 
> 1) All gay people cannot be trusted.
> 2) All gay people have risk for AIDS even without risky activites.
> 
> When they answer sue for libel.

This was odd to hear.  I just gave blood about a month or so ago.  The  
people working there did not ask my orientation, but rather, things like,  
"Have you had ever had sex with a man, have you ever had sex in exchange  
for drugs or money" (I'm sure I've screwed up the wording, but you get the  
idea) ... After honestly answering "no" to all of the above, I gave blood.   
Do they ask different questions in different places?  Could they have  
misinterpreted the guy's response?
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joe McCombs... but you can call me <mccombj@alleg.edu>...
"I'm still standing, after all this time...
 Picking up the pieces of my life without you on my mind..."
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: THIS WAY OUT needs your help!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:40:23 EST
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``This Way Out'' needs money.  ``This Way Out'' is the international
lesbian and gay radio magazine, available free of charge via satellite
to radio stations across the country and, for a fee, by subscription
on cassettes.  We are, however, hurting for money.

Also, we are a federally qualified 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
Any you contributions you make are tax-deductible ``to the extent
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By the way, any money donated, up to $5000, qualifies for matching funds
from another benefactor.  So get that money on in here!!!
Send money to:  This Way Out
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vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
Feminism "...encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children,
practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:15:07 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.064345.4684@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.022340.25943@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>As for dietary weirdness, I've not run into many people who
>>drink aloe vera gel regularly, which I do to the tune of
>>about an ounce daily (in OJ).

>Isn't this what my grandmum used to call a 'physic'?
>What's the matter with prune juice?

Certainly no such effect in my case.  But neither prunes nor
figs are softeners for me, either.  I eat a lot of dried
fruit (figs, raisins, prunes, apricots) and fresh fruit
(apples, oranges, grapefruit, pears, bananas), 1.5 quarts of
OJ a week, lots of whole-grain bread, assorted vegetables
(mostly raw), quite a bit of pasta, a moderate amount of
seafood, and *really* a lot of dairy.

Each week: 2.5 gallons of 2% milk, 1.5 quarts of half&half
(for the corn flakes, yum), 1.5# cheese, 2 quarts of yogurt,
and 2 quarts of ice cream.  No butter, to speak of (about a
pound a year, and that only when cooking for others).

Quite a bit of *real* peanut butter, a small amount of olive
oil.  A couple eggs a month.  Meat once in a great while
(pepperoni pizza, chorizo quesadillas, a chicken breast
sandwich).

1.5 quarts of double-strength coffee every day.  20 Camel
short, unfiltered cigarets, every day.  Sex, *almost* every
day (suisex, of course).  Sleep: 5.5-6.5 hours.  

I've never been a cheap date in the food department; thank
goodness for a high rate of metabolism: 6'2", 163#.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:36:45 GMT

kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>fascinated by it at first, but now it's quite a yawner, with the notable
>exception of the excitement brought to me by the constantly changing
>hair color of one character "Mrs Slocombe".

>Talk about "Rainbow Rinses"!

Note to hair queens: go to a drug store and find colored mousse.
It's fab! I was introduced to it this weekend as I was getting
ready to go out at my friend Wendy's house. 2 minutes and I had
a lovely copper woop in the front. I was exstatic all night.

John, thinking Nelson would be smashing as a redhead

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: AIDS on Ice / Canada
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:46:23 GMT

from sci.med.aids:

                       AIDS Daily Summary
                        November 17, 1992 
 The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) National AIDS Clearinghouse makes 
available the following information as a public service only. Providing 
this information does not constitute endorsement by the CDC, the CDC 
Clearinghouse, or any other organization.  Reproduction of this text is 
encouraged; however, copies may not be sold. Copyright 1992, 
Information, Inc., Bethesda, MD 

"AIDS Deaths Tear at Figure-Skating World" New York Times (11/17/92), P. 
A1  (Bondy, Filip) 
Figure skating has been hard hit by the AIDS epidemic.  In the  last 12 
months, three world class Canadian figure skaters have  died of the 
disease, and a British former Olympic champion skater announced he has 
AIDS.  Tracy Wilson of Canada, who won a bronze  medal in ice dancing in 
the 1988 Winter Olympics with Rob McCall, who died of AIDS last 
November, said, "I've lost three skating  friends to AIDS, and you can 
safely assume there are others out  there who have the disease and 
aren't talking about it."  If a  skater discloses he or she is HIV-
positive or has AIDS, there is  more than just a loss of privacy.  The 
disclosure also brings  along the strong possibility of loss of 
endorsements from  sponsors and increased difficulties when crossing 
international  borders for competitions.  John Curry, the former world 
and  Olympic champion from Britain, announced last month that he was  
suffering from AIDS and that he was returning to his home in  England.  
Paul George, who represents the United States Figure  Skating 
Association on the United States Olympic Committee Board  of Directors, 
said he was shocked by Curry's recent announcement. "It made me think 
that we should redouble our education efforts.  We have an obligation to 
our young athletes," he said.  George  added that the United States 
association's official magazine,  Skating, will soon publish an article 
on the disease.  Also,  there will be a greater focus on the disease in 
seminars and  educational programs for junior skaters. 


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Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:49:51 GMT

Well, I _must_ have cat lovers for lovers myself.

I have this wierd brain. 

I've said it before, but this is another instance of it. Ususally, when
people get aroused and horny, they're supposed to get active and start
pursuing sex and going on for hours and everything. When someone gets
me aroused and horny with touch, some wierd endorphin gets released
into my brain and I go into this absolutelyde-gorgeouspowdercloudtropical-
midnightbreezeheatwavetrancelike state, which practically renders me
immobile.

Just like a cat being stroked the right way, actually.

The only people who put up with that are those that actually _like_
this behaviour. Cat-lovers.

								FJ!!
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Dannemeyer... he's back...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:05:13 GMT

jct@mips.com (Chris Thomas) writes:

>According to a story in today's San Francisco Chronicle, our dearly
>beloved Former Rep. William Dannemeyer now has his eyes on the U.S.
>Senate seat recently occupied by Dianne Feinstein.
Raving maniac...

>Saying that he wants to make sure that Feinstein only gets two years
>in the Senate, Dannemeyer announced his intentions yesterday to seek
>the seat in the 1994 elections.

>Dannemeyer failed in an attempt to win the Republican primary for
>the U.S. Senate earlier this year.

What is also cool is that Bob Dornan, another Flate Earth conservative, says
he is interested in the Seat. I think Feinstein is probably going to resign 
it and run against Pete  again, what do yu think?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
Anne-Imelda Radice, President Bush's appointee to head the National Endowment
for the Arts, has been described as ``the Lesbian Clarence Thomas''.
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