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From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Score of Las Vegas/Silver Bowl
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:40:56 GMT
Reply-To: alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <1992Dec20.170029.21488@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>What was the score between Nevada and Bowling Green in the
>Las Vegas/Silver Bowl on Saturday Dec. 19, 1992?  The East
>Coast papers didn't have it this morning.

O.K., I just tuned in, so you may have already received a response.
Anyway, in a down-to-the-wire thriller, heavily favored Bowling Green
slipped by Nevada 35-34.

Here's a brief synopsis of the game (televised nationally, btw, on ESPN):

BG's power game was too much for the smaller Wolf Pack in the first half,
and the Falcons jumped out to a seemingly insurmountable 28-3 half-time
lead.

However, Nevada came out throwing in the second half, and scored ~31~
unanswered points, to go ahead, 34-28, with less than 3 minutes to play
in the game. 

Alas, with a fourth down at about their own twenty, Nevada lined up
to punt, and a perfect snap went through the Wolf Pack punter's hands,
and hit him in the face mask. Nevada recovered, but BG took over on
downs, and with 20 seconds to go, scored the game winning TD and PAT.


For Wolf Pack fans, a sad end to an otherwise encouraging first season
in Division IA football. Nevada was the first school to ~ever~ play
in a bowl game during their first year in IA. Clearly, the Big West and
Mid-American Conferences are not football powerhouses. In fact, football
is in danger of dying on the proverbial vine in the Big West. However,
the word here in Reno is that Nevada coach and AD, Chris Ault, is just
biding his time until the more respectable Western Athletic Conference
(WAC), decides to expand, and invites ~both~ Nevada schools (there's
a school in the southern part of the state that plays basketball ;-)) into
the WAC.

Here's hoping that the remaining umpteen bowl games have as much suspense
and excitement as the inaugural, 1992 Las Vegas Bowl.

....al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan)
Subject: Re: Texas A&M
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:23:12 GMT

In article <BzoMp1.1w8H@austin.ibm.com>, jpd@austin.ibm.com () writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Dec20.201803.24422@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
|> > The Dallas Morning News reported this morning that the Texas A&M football 
|> > program is involved in a fedral investigation of a university benifactor who 
|> > allegedly has made payements of $400 twice a month to five football players.  
|> > The payments were for services rendered as maintainace workers at HUD funded 
|> > housing projects.
|> > 
|> > If true, the allegations could spell prison for the booster (Uncle Sam doesn't 
|> > take kindly to being bilked by non-congress types) and could subject the A&M 
|> > football squad to the NCAA "death penalty."
|>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> This can't be true can it?  aTm subject to the DEATH PENALTY, as in the same
|> one that SMU got?  Doesn't this seem a bit severe for a couple of grand a
|> month to a small number of players?  Wow.

Texas A&M was on probation when these infractions occured.  This makes
them eligible for the "death penalty".  The booster should have known
better.  What a clod.

|> 
|> > 
|> > I hope for A&M's sake it all blows over.

Even though I hate A&M, I have to agree.

|> >      - Pat
|> > -- 
|> > - Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
|> > - Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
|> > - Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
|> > - pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
|> -- 
|> Note: All opinions/positions expressed here are independent of my employer's 
|> John Dodson                    internet: jpd@austin.ibm.com
|> IBM AWS                              vm: johnd at ausvm6
|> 11400 Burnet Road, 905/9541       Phone: (512) 838-3426  T/L is 678

Mike Noonan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Some Verbal Commitments
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:58:50 GMT

In article <yvonne.724721171@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>In <1992Dec18.203821.7301@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>>Here are a couple more.  I have no idea how they're rated; in fact,
>>according to the Denver Post, Andrew Welsh didn't even play this past
>>year because he repeated his freshman year to mature physically.
>
>>Ben Nichols	OL	6-6	270	Sprinfield, MO
>>Andrew Welsh	OL	6-6	250	Condord, CA (De La Salle HS)
>>-- 
>You didn't say whre these guys are going, but I assume by the "Go Buffs" in you
>signature file that they are going to Colorado.

Oops!  You assume correctly, though.  I'll have to remember that some
heathens do not regard Folsom Field as the center of the universe :-)

>FWIW, every player I've seen from De La Salle has lived up to expectations.
>
>They are not necessarily the stars, but they play with intensity, particularly
>in the big games.  De La Salle is one of the top football high schools in California.

Thanks for the insight.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: photo@ccmail.orst.edu (Peter Freeman's Research Group)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Paterno and QB's
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:45:51 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, OSU, Corvallis, OR  97331-4003
NNTP-Posting-Host: photo.chem.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec23.205711.20151@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> todd@hector.cc.bellcore.com (todd,carolyn m) writes:
>From: todd@hector.cc.bellcore.com (todd,carolyn m)
>>(BTW, I was impressed by the freshman QB Sacca against Miami.)
>>-- 
>John Sacca is a redshirt sophomore.  But the guy to
>watch (if he stays at PSU) is true freshman Wally
>Richardson, the third string quarterback after Kerry
>Collins and John Sacca.  We had a chance to see him play

Penn State has never really depended on a quarterback to carry a team.  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ~~~~~~~ A NEW POLL TO DETERMINE #1 (JLI POLL) ~~~~~~~
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:09:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1993Jan3.190916.25616
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center


	There is only one #1 this year after Jan. 1.   My proposal works
when there are two #1, that is, one in AP Poll and one in CNN/USA TODAY Poll.
When this happens, here is the solution: add the points in two polls and make
a new poll.  Let's call it JLI POLL.  Here is an example:


	AP POLL			CNN/USA TODAY POLL	JLI POLL

#1.	Miami, 600 points	Washington, 598		Miami, 1196	
#2.	Washington, 597		Miami, 596		Washington, 1195
#3.	Penn State, 590		Penn State, 595		Penn State, 1185
#4.	...............


	There are several advantages of JLI POLL:

	1.  There is only one #1.
	2.  No more fight on who is #1 after Jan. 1.
	3.  We can still enjoy the old-fashioned college bowl games.

 	=======	Copyright JLI 1993 =======


JLi
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From: hasley@andy.bgsu.edu (John Hasley)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Up and Coming Data
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:33:26 GMT

In article <C053s7.A11@spss.com> mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:
>
>How about including rank in the NFL draft.
>
>First round 4.0 - 5.0; the decimal part to be calculated based on position
>                       in the first round, e.g. 14th pick = 4.5  ( 14/28 )
>
>Second round 3.0 - 4.0; e.g. 7th pick = 3.75
>
>etc...
>
>This score would then be added to the college score.

Thanks for the suggestion.  I was planning on including draft position
in the final data.  But that shouldn't be a problem until next year or
more likely the year after that.  (Never put off until tomorrow what
you can put off forever.) Besides, the numbers I had were not any kind
of scale.  So combining one number with another would be adding apples
and oranges.  Getting one number as a result might make things neat,
but I don't think that number would mean anything.  The computer rankings
for teams have a lot more data to work with, and look at the trouble
they have.

I'm more trying to collect raw data so that we can get a rough idea
of how good the top recruits turn out to be.  Someone else can try
to analyze it.  I was just planning on tacking on the draft position
as an appendix; this is meant to help answer the important question
"My team just signed 15 blue-chip players and our big rival only
signed 4.  Does that mean anything?"

Doug Flutie and Ty Detmer did great things for their schools, even if
the NFL didn't want them.

-- 
John C. Hasley
University Computer Services    INTERNET: hasley@bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University  UUCP:     ...!osu-cis!bgsuvax!hasley
Bowling Green, Ohio             Ma Bell:  (419) 372-9989
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: Copper Bowl: Cougs ready? [A CLOSE CALL]
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:59:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.173342.25312@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>
>	It is going to be a tough game for the unexperienced Utes.  However,
>I will take Utah by 3:
>
>
>			Utah	31
>			WSU	28
>
>JLi


	What a close call!  As you know, the 3-point field goal could have
gone either end.  Unfortunately it went far north to WSU.


JLi
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: the heisman
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov30.203805.7468@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:57:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov30.203805.7468@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Nov30132842@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >In article <1fdforINNk3l@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> sbscafg@sdd.hp.com (sbscafg) writes:
   >
   >   It really bugs me how the media seems to determine the heisman race from the
   >   beginning of the season.  What about Charlie Ward?  He's looked really good
   >   all season.  Maybe they shouldn't give a heisman this year, or maybe they
   >   should give it to a defensive player.  Can they do that?

   >Recent Heisman winners who were not hyped to start the season:
   >
   >	Howard

   I sure as hell heard him mentioned as a heisman candidate before the
   season began. Didnt you? Or did you assume it was the local papers
   hyping a michigan player.

I was in AA that year, and coming into it people thought that Derrick
Alexander and Desmond Howard looked like good young players who could really
develop.  Desmond had produced as a kick returner the year before, but not
nearly so much on offense.  My guess is your memory is a bit wanked.

   >	Ware

   heard about him too.

But not the bullshit hype until he went ballistic as a junior.  I said hyped,
I didn't say "Who came out from under a rock?"
   >	Sanders

   Ill give you this one

Gee, thanks.

   >	Detmer	(I'm not certain about this one)

   Are you kidding???? Detmer NOT hyped? I think you just read the wrong
   papers, man, cause I heard lots of hype for Detmer and Howard, some
   for Ware, and, well, i cant remember whether sanders was hyped or not.

I read a lot.  A ton.  A whole bunch.  Comming into Ty's year you had a lot
of BYU people pointing to the stats and the PSU game saying "look at our guy"
and everybody else yawning.

   >Now could you name the recent winners who were hyped and who's winning upset
   >you?

   Tim Brown, to start. Good player, but the best? I dont know about that.

Thats one and from several years ago.  I said "winners".  That would be more
than one.  Thanks for making my point.

   >I think the "media hype of the heisman" is hyped.

   If you know so much, which recent Heisman winner did NOT have his school's
   Sports INfo Office putting out pre-season publicity about the players
   hiesman potential? I know UVAs SIO put out LOTS in Shawn Moore's
   final season.

I know that Michigan didn't pump up Howard, and I rather doubt that OSU
pushed Sanders given that he was comming off of a back up year.  Tough
questions for a guy on such a high horse.

Bill
--
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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:28:30 GMT

>>effort to protest their image being used as a mascot.  "We feel so used
>>and left out in the cold.  It's not fair.  No one uses the prairie dog
>>as a mascot.
>
>Prairie Dogs.  Isn't that Minnesota?

Nooo...Gophers!  Prairie Dogs are too butch for this school.  
Gophers are more like Chipmunks than Prairie Dogs.
We just got common road-kill for a mascot.  Even though the
most common roadkill is actually a raccoon(sp?).  In  14 years
here i've never seen a Gopher other than Goldie.  The dominant
animals here are Squirrels - problem is, there's no scandihoovian
"oooo" sound in squirrel.  Gooooopher is much easier for  
Minnesoootans to pronounce!!!  

	e.g.:  Sven and OOOlie say "Goooo Goooophers!  Uff Da!"  8^)

I myself would prefer to root for the "Bitchin' Squirrels(!)", but
what's done is done...      
(bitchin' scandihoovian squirrels?)
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:37:18 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 78667@hydra.gatech.EDU, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson) wrote:
>
>}Oh great.  Just what Auburn needs.  Another f**king Bowden.  And the
>}worst thing is that he probably won't put his brother out to kick
>}rocks down the road.
>
>I don't really think it's fair to judge Terry Bowden based on the
>accomplishments (or lack thereof) of his brother or on the accomplishments
>of his father.  I've also heard that Tommy and Terry are not the best
>of buddies, and that Terry likes to be his own offensive coach, so
>I'd say the chances of Tommy Bowden staying on as OC are very slim.
>
>You might see Tommy retained as receivers or offensive line coach,
>both of which he has performed ably in the past.
>
>}                         we're probably going to retain the only coach
>}who _should_ have been fired.  
>
>I've heard over the weekend that Bowden intends to retain Wayne Hall,
>which is good news for the defense, but may not play too well with the
>NCAA.
>
>Hiring Bowden was clearly a gamble, but with the school likely facing
>a couple of years of probation it's a good time to take one.  My only
>problem with it is that if Bowden is successful at Auburn it is easy
>to imagine losing him to FSU in a few years when dad retires.

This would be great!  Use Auburn as a training ground for grooming Terry
as the sequel to the FSU/Bobby Bowden era!  Maybe if Terry would move to
FSU someday, we could finally bring Bobby's wife Ann into the FSU fold
(she is currently a die (dye?) hard Auburn fan.  It's amazing that FSU
could ever beat Auburn; Bobby must have kept his playbook well hidden!)
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>
>   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: frank@lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Subject: Re:  Huskers Chances??
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:39:32 GMT

I agree with the analysis made by Joe Citro III (re: Huskers Chances).

The Nebraska defense will have to have an exceptional game to contain
Charlie Ward and the many others FSU offensive weapons.  It is, in my
opinion, their only chance (yes - IRA Aggie - they do have a chance!!). 
Miami showed how to beat FSU with a strong defense.  The difference now is
that FSU has developed additional offensive capabilities which keep
defenses off guard since the Miami loss.

The NU defense must stop FSU on most Seminole possessions in order for the
Huskers to score offensively.  This will not be easy.  Of recent, Maryland
and Florida found that out the hard way.  

When Nebraska does have the ball, they will find a tough Seminole defense
to move against.  FSU has a lot of speed on defense.  They held Miami's
excellent passing game in check for most of the game.  FSU has the Outland
and Butkus Award Winner - Marvin (The Shade Tree) Jones.  This will be his
last college football game.

Let's hope both teams come out and play their best game on January first. 
If they do, the Orange Bowl will be the best and closest game on the tube
New Year's Night!

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From: gard@drutx.ATT.COM (B.W.Gardner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:  Huskers Chances??
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:50:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

in article <frank-281292132913@sps156.lds.loral.com>, frank@lds.loral.com (Ron Frank) says:
> 
> I agree with the analysis made by Joe Citro III (re: Huskers Chances).

Me too.

>  <text deleted>
> 
> 
> When Nebraska does have the ball, they will find a tough Seminole defense
> to move against.  FSU has a lot of speed on defense.  They held Miami's
> excellent passing game in check for most of the game.  FSU has the Outland
								     ^^^^^^^

Didn't Nebraska's Will Shields win the Outland??????


> and Butkus Award Winner - Marvin (The Shade Tree) Jones.  This will be his
> last college football game.


My hope is --- NU  - 24
	       FSU - 21

Reality say's ---- FSU - 35
	      	   NU  - 14

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From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Thank you, Kansas!  8^)
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:51:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Dec26.232210.4210@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
> In article <1992Dec26.050929.8140@news2.cis.umn.edu> rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd) writes:
>>	I'd like to thank Kansas for the best Xmas present of all.
>>	Yay!  And it was nice to see a future millionaire eat the 
>>	turf a few times too! 8^) 

	Just curious what this implication is??

>>                1__2__3__4__FF
>>	Kansas  9  3  0 11  23     Thank you Jayhawks!
>>	BYU     7  7  6  0  20> 
> 
> The biggest thing that comes
> to mind to me about the game is the incredible ineptness of _BOTH_ team's
> defensive backs to cover the pass. Niether team's DB's botheres looking back 
> for the ball, or making an effort to jump up when the ball got there. I can't
> tell you how many times i wanted to just scream at those guys.

	I hear you loud and clear.  Kansas did their scouting well on this
though, and deserve credit.  They picked on Vick Tartleton10.  He's been n the
weakness in the backfield all year.  I'm hard pressed to recall a play that
went elsehwere and succeeded.

> they don't play too many teams with high-powered passing offenses, or they
> would get clobbered. BYU...well, um....they shoulda been able to throw all day
> on Kansas (well..ok they did) and been able to run up the points. BYU also for
> some unknown reason borrowed one of FSU's kickers...big mistake.

	Amen!  I wrote off the game after the third missed field goal.  You
just can't give away points to a quality team.  I'll bet it was a long flight
home for Lauder.
 
> Kevin
> 
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: PSU Update.. J.T. Morris leaves team
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.154201.15215@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.044926.19869@icf.hrb.com> mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>> J.T. Morris has withdrawm from school and will transfer. He cited lack of
>> playing time as his reason for leaving. He more than likely, would have been 
>> the starting fullback next year. Go figure..-- 
>
>Some call it fullback, some call it blocking back.  Maybe he wants to go to
>a team where he will do more than deck some linebacker, while all those PSU
>halfbacks get the glory.  Same goes for protecting the QB.  Can't blame him
>if that's the case.

In tomorrow's edition the Dallas Morning News will report that Bob
"Robert" Dieckmann, an agent of the Dear Old Rutgers Knights and perhaps
an owner of a HUD-financed home, is under investigation for unethical
conduct that has resulted in the transfer of Penn State fullback J. T.
Morris to Rutgers.  Attempts to reach Mr. Dieckmann via email have not
been successful.  A HUD spokesperson said only that, "It is not clear
whether our bylaws prohibit castration of Nittany Lions in HUD homes."
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!