HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bcapps@atlastele.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: No on 9 rally, Portland, OR
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:41:52 GMT
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.

In article <5OCT92.11371709@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>And the Miami Herald, too.  They also editorialized against 9.  As far
>away as I am, this whole ordeal is causing me a lot of anxiety as well.
>
>It occurred to me talking to friends that many wanted to help, but didn't
>know how.

...and to think I'm still having to beg apathetic closeted gayfolk around
here to register to vote...*groan*
-- 
Brent Capps            | I am not responsible
bcapps@atlastele.com   | for the views
bcapps@agora.rain.com  | of my employer.
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:43:16 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Oct6.193709.25481@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
[About the OCA's little Nazi initiative in Oregon]
|
|Shyeeah. Let's lighten up, everyone. Measure 9 is going down in
|flames. I, for one, grok a great wellness.

   But don't let this grokking stop anything you can do to keep the anti-evil
forces going until the election.  There's still 4 weeks left, and *anything*
can happen, up to and including the OCA fabricating a homosexual conspiracy
to scare voters over to the side of Satan.

   Relaxing now could doom Oregon.
                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@sybase.com, if you're lucky
From: jmp8p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeannine Marie Pinto)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:53:58 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct9.174316.19200@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.193709.25481@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>[About the OCA's little Nazi initiative in Oregon]
>|
>|Shyeeah. Let's lighten up, everyone. Measure 9 is going down in
>|flames. I, for one, grok a great wellness.
>
>   But don't let this grokking stop anything you can do to keep the anti-evil
>forces going until the election.  There's still 4 weeks left, and *anything*
>can happen, up to and including the OCA fabricating a homosexual conspiracy
>to scare voters over to the side of Satan.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think all too much emphasis has been put on
the status of Measure 9.  As I see it, it's not likely to pass. But
that doesn't mean there's no reason for concern.  If what I've seen
here on the network and in the news is any indication, the campaign
itself has provided the rally-cry for gay bashers. Even if Measure 9 
goes "down in flames" on November 3, the anti-gay cause has probably 
been strengthed by this campaign. It's probably brought people together 
who share a hatred of difference, increased the ranks of organizations 
like OCA, empowered some who felt alone and helpless.  The KKK
operates on the assumption that any publicity, even "negative"
publicity, reaches some people who are open to their message. That's
probably true with OCA and related organizations as well.  The trouble
of Measure 9 may not go away when Measure 9 itself does.

I hope, of course, that I'm wrong.

jeannine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:42:35 GMT

laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:

>If you are going to spend $2000 on a suit, why not find a tailor
>and get one made perfectly and exactly to your specifications with
>all the material and lining exactly as you want?

Because you'd still have $1500 left.

>-- 
>    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
>    four times.

Yay, loathesome factoids.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 10:46:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <15988@umd5.umd.edu> 
jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

> And just *wait* until you hear about the
> hog that Jeff and I picked out for your
> triumph in Huntsville!

A hog just for *me*?!   I'm calling Delta right now.

Arne
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:49:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: osf.1992Oct15.214940.22570
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1992Oct15.193734.24070@infonode.ingr.com>, norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
> >
> >I've been trying to think of anyone who is a regular poster
> >who hasn't been blasted in a major way at some point in the
> >past, and I've come up empty.  Is there, in fact, such a
> >person?
> 
> Speaking as a new (regular?) poster, I am pleased to say I haven't had
> any hair singed (yet).

Well, I think of myself as a regular, but maybe because I'm such a
regular *reader* -- on reflection, I don't often take the time and
effort to post anything other than banter. But I know I have
participated seriously in a number of discussions in the approximately
3.5 years I've been part of this unique community.

Maybe it's just my thick skin (or selective memory), but I can't
recall that I've ever been flamed, in personal terms. Now, maybe, as
Jess suggested, I've been playing it too "safe". Then again, I don't,
myself, go in for insult or ad hominem attack, which have a tendency
to attract same.

Anybody who sees the above as in any way prescriptive is missing the
point. I'm just musing aloud, in mild puzzlement.

--Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:09:57 GMT

Soc.motss *is* very white-dominant; I noticed this earlier (again)
when wondering why black icons weren't mentioned (sure, the jazz/
blues singers, but what about modern icons? Public Enemy comes to
mind. And what about the Supremes? The Temptations? Scarlett O'Hara's
maid? Little Richard? Malcolm X? Martin Luther King? Michael Jackson?
Prince? (I'm showing my whiteness just by listing the most white-
mainstream of black icons because I don't know any others) On and on...).

And further. Since just about everyone around here is white, they all
have a common white experience, and that really shows in a lot of ways.
(think about that one; I'm going to to try and become more aware of the
situation...) And in talking about the way our attractions lie it
becomes apparent which race is prefferred. And in talking about hair.
And on and on...

It's a problem of society in general, but that doesn't justify it.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.171827.6290@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>This does seem like de'ja vu all over again.  If memory serves,
>the Rainbow Coalition came into being around the time of Jesse
>Jackson's presidential campaign in 1984.  The rainbow flag was
>first flown (with different colors than those used today) at
>the San Francisco Pride Parade in 1978.  So the gay use of the
>flag came first.

Which colors were used?

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:17:17 GMT

In article <36444@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton) writes:

>If you are going to spend $2000 on a suit, why not find a tailor
>and get one made perfectly and exactly to your specifications with
>all the material and lining exactly as you want?

Because that would be vain, silly.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:38:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.011549.18951@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct10.004120.12791@adobe.com>
>asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>
>>I find quite amusing the claim that cultural icons must be
>>timeless.  If this is true, who are the cultural icons from the 1800's?
>
>Oh nobody much.  Just Beethoven, Pushkin, Liszt, Dostoevsky,
>and a smattering of painters.  Inconsequential stuff like
>that.

Important cultural figures, certainly, but hardly cultural icons.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

At luncheon, which was alfresco, Lady Celia announced they were invited to
the Gilberts for the weekend.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Restaurants in SF
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:19:57 GMT

> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:

>Thep Phanom - At Waller and Fillmore.  Bad neighborhood, next to impossible
>to find parking, but terrific Thai cooking.

*Bad* neighborhood <sniff>?  The Lower Haight is a
*faaabulous* neighborhood (not least because of Thep
Phanom's legendary Red Curried Salmon :-))

Obwell-kept-secret:  The Citrus Grill on Chestnut --
North African delicacies (merguez and couscous and
yummy stuff like that...)
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From: exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:41:46 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1687A10284.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
>>
>Okay, it's not true. But has anyone noticed how hard it is (stop snickering, me
>n) to get a gay or lesbian-themed video in a Blockbuster? Back when "Henry and
>June" ("Emmanuelle" with pretensions, IMHO) came out with its NC-17 rating, BB
>announced it would not carry NC-17 movies. But I wonder now whether the store h
>as quietly extended this policy to gay movies as well. No "Desert Hearts," no "
>Lianna," no "Longtime Companion," etc. You get the picture. Or maybe it's cause
> I'm in ALabama, where the greatest demand is for tractor-pull and wrestling vi
>deos...

Maybe this is just a regional thing - or at the discretion of the
store's manager because a lot of the local BB's around Dallas carry
"Boys in the Band", "Longtime Companion", "Personal Best", and
"Maurice" (okay, "Maurice" was carried only by the BB located on the
edge of Boy's Town, but still, that would be enough to indicate that
there's no grand Corporate Policy preventing these movies from being
carried.  No?

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From: cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oregon's Voters' Pamphlet
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:03:35 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

In article <1992Oct8.063512.14445@lclark.edu>
snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
 
>Let's put ALL of LEVITICUS into the constitution!  A "yes" vote is the
>first step in facilitating our militant moral aganda.
>
>AREEE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL!
 
I'm confused! I guess it's because I'm new to the net. I'll get this
figured out sometime. Thank God for atheism!
 
Chris Russell - cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com
<no sig block yet but I'm working on it>
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42087 soc.bi:13501
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 05:25:30 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct5.023256.13200@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1ao5fgINNj28@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>Elf's journal was the first time I was actually aroused when reading about
>>two men making love.  Rather cool.
>
>Really?  It made me swear off screwing anyone with a tail,

Hmmm ... nope

>furry ears

uh uh ...

>and a first name with an apostrophe in it.

Aw, fuck ... I hope this isn't a common reaction for people who've
read Elf's stories ... though maybe it would explain a few things.  :-)
-- 
 ____________________________________________________________________________
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|      tachyon@ucscb.ucsc.edu  \    /   /  One of these days I'll think of   |
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: parnell@bcarh12a.bnr.ca (Christopher Parnell)
Subject: Re: Scott Lively convicted, and this week's hate crimes
Keywords: OCA, Measure 9, hate crimes
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:22:57 GMT

In article <1b2nkjINNcmk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct8.072606.15501@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>>I don't know about the exhibit but I heard about a year ago that there
>>was opposition to having any references to GBLO* victims at the national
>>memorial being built in D.C.  Is this still a factor?  I haven't heard
>>any thing for a while.  I have made a decision about not singing with
>>PGMC on Oct. 25th at the AF exhibit based on the memorial controversy.  So
>>if I anyone out there has an update please let me know!
>
>The fundraising/membership letter I got from the Holocaust Museum last
>year *did* talk about LGB people being among the groups persecuted and
>murdered by the Nazis.  I joined for a year and told them I was
>pleased to see that the museum was honoring the memory of *all*
>victims of the holocaust, as it should.
> 
>[stuff deleted]

Whilst visiting Amsterdam this past August I spent a thoughtful morning at
the Anne Frank House.  Judging from the variety of materials and postings
in the Exhibition room (including at least one full display dealing with
LGBs in the Holocaust), it seemed to me that the Anne Frank Foundation holds
a clear association with our past/present persecution.  Any rational person
who visits the Anne Frank House will come away with renewed dedication for
an end to hate.

No wonder some people are going out of their way to assert that the diary
is fake.  The truth hurts, eh?

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Christopher		parnell@bnr.ca		Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Bye, Bye... from soc.motss (for now)
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:45:39 GMT

Just wanted to say that it was fun being here while it lasted.
Our feed gets cut on Friday, so I will be gone from the
newsgroups (for a while... I may pop up again in Austin :).

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com          voice: 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
NOTE: THIS FEED GETS CUT ON 16 OCT 92... WE AIN'T GOT NO MO' MONEY :)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Sappho
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:40:47 GMT

Does anyone know anything about access to Sappho? Is it a mailing list like Gay
net or a BBS (I know of one in D.C.)? Thanks fer the help...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:13:19 GMT


In article <1992Oct16.143714.10586@osf.org> coren@osf.org
(Robert Coren) writes:

>As it happens, Nelson is at this moment boarding, or waiting to board,
>an airplane -- at least, he'd better be -- so he probably won't have a
>chance to respond. Others will fill in for him, no  doubt.

I'm jealous -- no, make that envious.  Others will have to
fill in for him while you fill him, er, in.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 08:38:52 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)

maybe we shoudl add frequent posters' birthdays to the FAQ,
thereby assuring them tons of mail on the appropriate day.
*grin*

11-18-63, class of '82

katy: 12-26-86, class of '05?

but it WOULD be neat if someone coudl collect a list.

                                           -ailsa
======================================================================

Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:52:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <ldr7lbINNguq@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff 
Dauber) writes:
>E-Cruising 101:
>
>When cruising people over the net, always name names.  Otherwise, how will
>they know you want them?

I'm afraid I'd accidentally leave some people out, and I didn't want to
limit my options.  As it is, they can just all assume that I want them, and
feel complimented (they will feel complemented after the cruising works). 

----------

complement [ME < L complementum, that which fills up.]


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From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Oct13.130824.26421@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu  
(Donald Andrew Agarrat) asks the following questions:
>  Face the real problem.  Your people enforced slavery 200
>  years ago and the effects of that deed are STILL killing
>  Black people in this country.  What is being done about
>  it?  What are YOU doing about it?  Are you merely enjoy
>  the comfort of being White?  How the HELL can you shout
>  down something from your ivory tower and expect me to
>  take it as some form of edict!  If White people on the
>  whole "cared" so much, would we STILL be having this
>  problem?

And almost answers them...

>  ...What do Whites have to gain from realized Black equality
>  either in soc.motss or elsewhere in this country?  Not
>  a damn thing ...

I think that you have hit the nail on the head right here. Of course, if  
white people "cared", black persons in this country would not have such a  
hard time of it. Unfortunately, the world operates on self interest, and  
by and large, nobody cares about anyone else unless there is a profit to  
be made. This is the royal shits, to be sure, but it is also reality. 

There are exceptions, but, by and large, to expect someone to further your  
own cause out of pure altruism is close to folly. There are people all  
over the world, millions, in fact, that are a hell of a lot worse off than  
black Americans - there are any number of famines, wars, etc. happening  
that receive a trickle of aid, but nothing compared to what there would be  
if people actually *cared*. 

On an individual level, there are several reasons why someone (such as the  
individuals on soc.motss) might not be working for the betterment of black  
Americans:
1) They are actively racist.
2) They don't care about others at all.
3) They are concerned about black Americans, but devote their finite  
resources to issues that they consider more pressing.

These are very distinct things. Obviously, the folks in (1) are your most  
serious enemies. The folks that tend towards (2) might be persuaded, but  
not by angry confrontation. The folks in (3) would probably be responsive  
to persuation and, to some degree, to angry confrontation, as they have  
already by and large been sensitized to the plight of oppressed groups and  
can better understand and interpret the anger.

>  Educate yourself.  I will not put on blinders just because
>  my anger may offend Whites who think the status quo is
>  just fine and dandy, cozy and comfy, and want me just to
>  tag along.

You can be as angry as you want, but you must ask yourself if it is really  
going to further your goals. If the answer is "yes", then go for it! If an  
honest evaluation reveals a "no", then what is the point? You will only  
raise your blood pressure. 


-Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.motss