From: holzman@fnalf.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: What's Muffy's Purpose, Here? (Was: What's the purpose here?)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:28:41 GMT
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In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug31175800@gauss.nmsu.edu>, ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) 
whines:
> <   Not at all...*laugh*...by editing the above line, I *insult* you.  You
> <   simply don't *understand* it.
> 
> 	Wonderful. Muffy admits to insulting me. I'll save
> 	this for the next time she claims not to insult people
> 	instead of debating them.

Gee.  Maybe if you'd go to the trouble of posting something for her to argue,
rather than insults, she'd argue back, instead of insult back.  You're getting
what you're giving.

> <   >Can you say "Ad Hominem"? I knew you could....
> 
> <   Amazing...you mean you actually know something about logic?  Or did
> <   someone else advise you to say that?
> 
> 	More insults. 
> 
> 	One wonders what Muffy's point is, if any.

It was a fairly straightforward insult, Nosy.  Which word didn't you
understand?

> <   As I recall, I stated that breast cancer was a "woman's problem."  A
> <   couple of people then informed me that men also get breast cancer.  I
> <   then stated in a later post that I had been told that this was the case,
> <   and discussed that in light of my other views.  Therefore, I ACCEPTED
> <   the truth and CORRECTED my mistake.  I have never claimed to be
> <   infallible.  Nonetheless, I *was* attempting to argue with facts (even
> <   if they were initially incorrect ones).
> 
> 	Piffle. Muffy; was arguing with blatant lies as her "support".

see below...
 
> <Nonetheless, the fact remains that her
> <  opinions *could* get posted, which she claimed was not true.
> 
> 	This "fact" is an unproven assertion.
> 
> 	Muffy flunks logic again.

Muffy's in a position to know what could and couldn't get posted to
soc.feminism.  Tyger could test cle claim fairly easily...
 
> <   ><I don't like it when anyone makes inaccurate statements.  What can I
> <   ><say, I think the truth is a valuable thing.
> 
> <   >Tell me, do you believe that men cannot get breast cancer? 
> 
> <   Nope.
> 
> 	Yet Muffy once posted that "breast cancer is a WOMEN'S
> 	issue"; thus once Muffy did assert that men could
> 	not get breast cancer which is false. So the truth	
> 	that can keep men from dying is obviously not valuable to 
> 	Muffy.

Anyone who missed it, see above.  Just to be sure, here it is again:

> <   As I recall, I stated that breast cancer was a "woman's problem."  A
> <   couple of people then informed me that men also get breast cancer.  I
> <   then stated in a later post that I had been told that this was the case,
> <   and discussed that in light of my other views.  Therefore, I ACCEPTED
> <   the truth and CORRECTED my mistake.  I have never claimed to be
> <   infallible.  Nonetheless, I *was* attempting to argue with facts (even
> <   if they were initially incorrect ones).

It would appear to me that Nosy has only a passing acquaintence with the notion
of truth himself.
 
But this is truly rich...
> <   >Do you believe that gays cannot commit rape?
> 
> <   Nope.  Nor have I ever said anything to this effect.  I recall the
> <   incident in question, though.  What *I* said was that gays do not, by
> <   virtue of being gay, commit rape.  
> 	
> 	Sadly, I did not save the post. Careless of me, to let
> 	such an example slide by.
> 
> <Was that your post/mail (damn, there
> <   goes my memory again...I guess I just blank a lot of terrible things
> <   out) claiming that all gays were rapists (male/male, I think), or
> <   something to that effect?
> 
> 	Hardly. I emailed Muffy and asserted that her claim
> 	that "gays cannot commit rape" (which is how *I* recall
> 	her rambling) was absurd. 
> 
> 	If Muffy is going to assert that I made such an absurd
> 	claim, I wish she would either prove it or admit that
> 	she's making it up as she goes along.

First you convenitently "loose" the post being discussed, then want Muffy to
produce same?!?  Try again.

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