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Subject: Re: how to predict swells around Santa Cruz area?
From: squier@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Richard Squier)
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:07:43 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

In article <29227@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>
>Try logging in to the "Weather Underground" from the U. of Michigan. It
>gives offshore and nearshore weather forecasts. Included in this info
>is wind direction, wave size(3-4ft seas...etc), and swell size and direction.
>To get to this service I use the command:
>
>telnet downwind.sprl.umich.edu 3000
>

Do you get the swell size and direction for the east coast?
I haven't seen that on the weather underground for
this area.  I usually look at the nearshore and offshore
marine forecasts, and then guess from the "seas"
and "wind" measurements what the swell size and direction
are.
I looked at the marine observations, but
they don't give swell size or direction at NMK (Atlantic
City, Cape May, Indian River).  Have I been missing something?

BTW, a note on marine observations:
I talked with one of the national weather
and marine reports agencies (I've forgotten
which, somebody (Brian?) gave me a pointer).
They told me that on the east coast marine
observations don't have waverider buoys, so they
depend on ship observations.  The navy did a study
and found the "seas" measurement as reported by these
human observers was negatively correlated to wind
speed.  So much for accuracy.

PS. Anybody been out in Del/Mar lately?  How cold
is it?
From: andy@elviss.Eng.Sun.COM (Andrew Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: how to predict swells around Santa Cruz area?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:30:35 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: elviss

Hi All
    I am thinking about getting a weather radio so I can better
pridict when and where to surf around the Santa Cruz area. does any
one know what to look for in a weather radio? Is there a better way to
predict conditions (other than calling santa cruz surf shop)? asumming
I had a weather radio, what should I be listing for?

thanks in advance

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: how to predict swells around Santa Cruz area?
From: squier@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Richard Squier)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:43:53 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

In article <1iiiqhINN5nt@news.cerf.net> mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
>>PS. Anybody been out in Del/Mar lately?  How cold
>>is it?
>
>Cold, boots required. I'm wearing a skull cap if I go in the mornings.

Mike, are you on the East coast, or the West coast of the US?
What I meant by "Del/Mar" is "Delaware/Maryland Peninsula".
This weekend it looked like it might be pretty good, light
snow and only about 32F, but I chickened out.  I just got
back from California, where the water was above 50F, and I just
couldn't face the first cold slap in the face.  I've got to get
a van 'cause it gets really hard to get your booties off when your
hands go numb.

Here's a question to everybody:
First, a little history.  I started surfing back in '64 on an
8'6".  Because of conditions beyond my control, I didn't get
to surf again until 1982, and I bought an 8'6" haut (single,
3 wings, stepnose, a lot of fun).  Well, by this time, everybody
had these little short boards.  I could see the advantages.  
I liked the idea of being able to turn like crazy.  So,
I've been trying over the years to work my way down.
My first attempt was a 6'8" Brewer thruster from Hawaii.
This didn't seem to work: I couldn't get into waves, and when
I did, it seemed kind of slow --maybe it was made for bigger
waves?  In any case, there was almost no advantage in turning.
Later, I got another thruster, a custom 6'6", and still didn't seem
to get the feel for it.  Right now I've got a 7'10" Eaton
bonzer that turns faster than anything I've had so far
(which includes an 7'6" quad mini-long, a 7'4" Stuart
thruster, and an 8'0" Eaton twin).  Am I just a hopeless
longboarder, or  is there some basic principle I'm missing?
I saw a 7'0" "hi-performance mini-long" by Haut recently:
a wide thruster.  Are these any good?

ciao.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: None
Subject: Dewey Weber Dead at 54
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:32:30 -0800
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   Surfing great Dewey Weber died Wednesday (1/6/92) of 
cardiac failure brought on by alcohol abuse. He was 54.
   He was one of surfing's first millionaires,  the first to
assume the arch-backed "hang-10" position, and the first
to surf J-Bay (yep, that was him in 'Endless Summer').
He also appeared in 'Slippery When Wet', the Ed Sullivan
Show as 3 time national Yo-Yo champion, and was the
Buster Brown Boy on TV commercials.
   About 5 years ago he injured his back surfing in Baja,
which ended his surfing career. Friends say that is when 
he started drinking.
 
   (the above is heavily paraphrased from an article
in the LA Times)


Danny

-- 
                    Danny Clark, PHD NSWC, Port Hueneme CA
                         danny@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
       The Navy and I share some views, but the ones above are all mine.
From: andy@elviss.eng.sun.com (Andrew Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: this is a test
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:53:38 GMT
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this is a test. please ignore. (I switched to a new news reader (gnus))
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: .gif's on Wave List
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:58:50 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
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In article <29086@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>I finally got all the .gif files off the wave-list. It is cool to put
>a face with aname now. Lud & John Airey look as I expected but Nigel
>looks alot more like a respectable part of mainstream society than the
>beer brewin' spleef smokin' drag on the ranks of the dole as I expected.
>Hey Nigel, you can take that as an insult or as flatery whichever way
>you see fit...............where was that photo taken?   The quality
>is great. Quality of the photo....that is! ;)
>
>   O
>   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833
>   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>  /     David Taylor Model Basin
>   \___________________________
>			     \\

G'Day all, happy new year etc. etc,

I think Nigel will be off the  net until Uni. starts again in march,
so I'll take the liberty of answering for him,
Re looking respectable, that's an insult :-),
Re the photo, if its a group shot standing in front of a 4wd, then
it was taken at Green Island during one of the Aus net-surfaris.

Surf down here at Bells has been pretty hopeless, typical summer
conditions, small and onshore, though last week we had swell for 6
days, from a little under head high to almost double overhead on one
day, managed two surfs a day for five days in a row, this holiday
routine is starting to grow on me :-) (week two of twenty :-) )

On the depressing side, a  13 year old girls body was found washed up
at Bells, partially attacked by a shark, apparently she had accepted a
lift in a strangers car, was taken to Bells and dumped in the ocean,
cause of death unknown as yet.

Cheers all, keep surfing,
Lud.

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From: georgez@asdi.saic.com ) (George Zabetakis (West Side of the Universe)
Subject: San Diego
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 13:44:04 PST
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Jan. 5, 1993		Happy New Year to all!!!!!!!

NO SURF IN SAN DIEGO.  Hope this changes soon.  Tons of snow all over the
states, maybe it's time to learn how to snowboard.  Comments???
Water temp in SoCal is 58 degrees +/- 1 or 2.
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: snowboard'en
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:38:34 GMT
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George  asks about snowboarding:
>states, maybe it's time to learn how to snowboard.  Comments???

There is an article (with great photos) in the Jan 93 SURFER mag
about big wave surfers (Dorner, Little etc) becoming snowboard
fanatics.  The article states that these big wave mad men feel
the rush of snowboarding down a 50 deg slope is the same as
a 20 ft Wiamea drop (40 ft to you and me).  Check it out.
I snowboard, and love it!

Danny

-- 
                    Danny Clark, PHD NSWC, Port Hueneme CA
                         danny@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
       The Navy and I share some views, but the ones above are all mine.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Dewey Weber Dead at 54
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:59:53 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes:
......Dewey Weber passed away at 54..........
>   About 5 years ago he injured his back surfing in Baja,
>which ended his surfing career. Friends say that is when
>he started drinking.

We all better not stop surfing..........You can have my board when you
pry it from my cold dead fingers (For the non-Yank's: This is a anti
gun control slogan....For the braindead: exchange the word gun for the
word board)

On a serious note we all owe some thanks to pioneers like Dewey....
Does the wind always blow offshore in heaven?
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
  /     David Taylor Model Basin
   \___________________________
			     \\
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Polluted Surfing Stories Wanted
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:00:53 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

Lots of pollution in England. However, here is a sort of ultimate
polution story.

A good few years ago an Air India (??) jet was blown up by in mid
air in the mid atlantic. Later (about a month) a good buddy of
mine was surfing Gwenver on the north cornish coast. There he is,
slicing along a nice right when he **thinks** he sees an arm in the
face comming up to get him.

He continues the ride and paddles back out to his brother. As he's
paddling throught the foam this bloated womans boday (remember this
has been in the water for a month) pops up right in front of him.

Yum, Yum. True story, I promice.

Mike
"A brit in yank land"
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: New Year's Surf
From: squier@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Richard Squier)
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:03:55 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

In article <1i2qudINNfie@overload.lbl.gov> njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis) writes:
>New Year's Day. Got up at 3am after 8 hrs. sleep. B-)
>It was raging outside.
>I called the Santa Cruz surf shop recording at 5:30:
>
>"Victory at Sea conditions. 20-40 mile onshore winds.
>No surf out there.  Don't bother."  

Hey, I was there too, only it wasn't the same day :->.
Actually, I was there a few days ealier (Monday?) and
it was a screaming onshore.  I went to Capitola 'cause
it was my last session before heading back here (DC).
It was peaking something overhead at the outside reef
there, but the white caps made it hard to find.  I had to
keep paddling through the mess just to stay in the same
place.  As far as I saw I ws the only one out south of
Pedro Point (I know cause I stopped at every place along
the way from SF to Capitola).  It was kind of funny when somebody
saw me out there (even with the end of the pier, but east,
by the jetty), and decided to join me: next thing I saw he was
being swept along the cliffs.  I got in near the pier
so I could paddle past the current before I got to the
cliffs.  He made it back to the beach though, after fighting
his way back in waist deep water at the base.
Anyway, it was fun splashing aroung, and not crowded either!
From: mansfike@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Keith E Mansfield)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: New World Champion - Kelly the legend.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:42:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: mansfike@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Keith E Mansfield)
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I must agree that Kelly is one of a kind.  He is a great contribution to  
the surfing world.  I had the pleasure of going to school with Kelly  
during his  armature days.  I have never met anyone so down to earth as  
Kelly when considering all of his fame.  Everyone loved Kelly for he never  
let any of his accomplishments go into his head. He has always been  
friendly and considerate and even outgoing.   He is a very intelligent   
with a good head on his shoulders.  He is living proof that one can  
schread both in the surf and in the classroom.  He turned down drugs,  
alcohol and multiple lays as a youngster.  It was always amazing watching  
Kelly during those am days on Cocoa Beach Waves.  He was a natural.  He   
really shreaded in those days on those small Florida waves with a style  
all his own.  I can only imagine how much better he has gotten since  
becoming pro and traveling the world.  It's nice to know the the world  
champion still spreads his good cheer around the world, creating good  
impressions onto all.  I must say that Kelly deserves everything he  
accomplishes.  A true hero to many.

keith
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Correction to Weber Story
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:14:14 GMT
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Well, I, didn't check my sources too well. Dewey Weber played
only a few moments on "Endless Summer", and was not one of the 
two guys that traveled the world. The LA Times was wrong, and
so was I for beliving them.

Danny

-- 
                    Danny Clark, PHD NSWC, Port Hueneme CA
                         danny@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
       The Navy and I share some views, but the ones above are all mine.
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Good Sex or Good Food (was Re: "Cheating")
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:58:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:

><grin>  The ProblemOlderWoman would probably be unhappy, but not
>terribly surprised, to learn that it took no thought to decide in favor
>of the food.....
[....]
>Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

'Spect you're defining sex pretty narrowly here. What if the choice were
between pleasurable physical contact and great food?

--
Stef               "Excuse me. This life isn't working. I want to exchange it."
stef@apple.com     "Have you tried plugging it in?"
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: paulo@ohmeda.com (Paul E. Ourada)
Subject: Re: Good Sex or Good Food (was Re: "Cheating")
Organization: Ohmeda Monitoring Systems
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:00:09 GMT

becki@Ingres.COM (Rebecca E. Tants) writes:

>Chris Andersen (ucda@toontown.uucp) wrote:
>:   1. Every sexual experience you have from this point on will be as
>:      good as it can be.  It could be compared to a spiritual experience
>:      everytime.  However, to get this you would have to eat at McDonalds
>:      for the rest of your life.
>:Or 
>:   2. Every sexual experience you have would be bland at best.  Just
>:      a series of manual actions from which you would derive no real
>:      satisfaction.  However, in exchange you would be able to eat, for
>:      free, at the finest restaurants in the world, at any time you want,
>:      for the rest of your life.
>: 
>: Which would you chose?

>I suppose if it were McDonalds, I could deal and definately choose the
>good sex.  Of course, if it were 'hummus-r-us' i'd have a little bit
>more of a problem....

So what the heck's wrong with hummus?  A well prepared hummus is 
*definitely NOT* bland.  But then I haven't really had a bland hummus
like Helen and Dana have.  Eh???  Yoo-hoo.  You two out there?

>then again, i've gone through long periods of my life where i've dealt
>with bland food, bland sex, or both (not to mention the rather extended
>self-inflicted period of no sex), so i doubt either would kill me.....

Sounds like a problem definition to me... :)

Paul.
paulo@ohmeda.com
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Good Sex or Good Food
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:33:43 GMT


Chris Andersen wrote:
> Here's a little intellectual exercise which I think might illustrate
> something of what I've been trying to say: given the choice between
> a life filled with good sex or a life filled with good food, but not
> both, which would you chose?

Seeing that I can't choose both... I'd have to go with the good sex.
Hell, if I chose good food, I might die from obesity... I'd rather
die from good sex! :)


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you/
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as/
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Good Sex or Good Food (was Re: "Cheating")
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:25:13 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

I would choose the option of good food and bad sex; but my sex drive is
not as high as some people's.
In article <1993Jan6.165445.28352@toontown.uucp>
ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen) writes:
 
>
>
>Here's a little intellectual exercise which I think might illustrate
>something of what I've been trying to say: given the choice between
>a life filled with good sex or a life filled with good food, but not
>both, which would you chose?
>
>To be more specific, your choices are:
>
>  1. Every sexual experience you have from this point on will be as
>     good as it can be.  It could be compared to a spiritual experience
>     everytime.  However, to get this you would have to eat at McDonalds
>     for the rest of your life.
>
>  2. Every sexual experience you have would be bland at best.  Just
>     a series of manual actions from which you would derive no real
>     satisfaction.  However, in exchange you would be able to eat, for
>     free, at the finest restaurants in the world, at any time you want,
>     for the rest of your life.
>
>Both of these assume that your desire for the thing you give up (good sex
>or good food) would still continue, even though you could never satisfy it.
>
>Which would you chose?
>
>
>(Yes, I know this is an artificial choice.  But just play by the rules
>and seriously think about which one you would choose.)
>--
>Chris Andersen (..!uunet!sequent!toontown!chris)
>
>"...the only thing worse than being hurt is being bored." -- Daniel Mocsny
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:51:43 -0500 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Grammar flame


STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:

>Not "I wanna fuck S" but
>some clear sign from the "cheated" spouse that sie knows at whatever
>level and consents to (with whatever plausible deniability) hir
>partner, IN THEORY, having relationships with others.

Cannot we use the pronoun "they"/"their" instead of "sie"/"hir"?  Using
the latter group of pronouns actually makes what you are trying to say
much more difficult to read.

Using the plural in the singular is becoming much more commonplace anyway.

A lurker
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: a poem for y'all...and for a few of you in particular :-)
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:01:36 GMT

Braid

pale strands
	brown strands
		pale strands
small
bright diamonds of the mind
diamonds of melted Chicago snow in a cloud of bi-colored hair
drawn into a braid of fire - lips
				to lips
					to lips
drowning in hands	fingers
      necks	shoulders	cheeks
	    teeth	tongues
       legs	  hips		breasts
	    six arms wrapped and 
	          h a i r

exploding! in a mesh tangle across the pillows
reforming into the newly-ordered braid

Words cannot contain us.
World dares not comprehend.

*****

M.A. Mohanraj
January 12, 1993

-- 
i thank you God for most this amazing
day:  for the leaping greenly spirits of the trees
and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes		 - e.e.cummings
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Mort's intro / Joe in the US
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:09:10 GMT

In article <1ij3l3INNpop@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis) writes:
>
>In a previous article, mort@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave 'Mort' Mortman) says:
>>
>>	name's David Mortman, 5'8", medium length darkbrown/black hair
>>getting loner, brown eyes, single but involved, and bi.
>
>Mort!  Hey!  Welcome!

Likewise, dear....

>>Finally decided to post after meeting
>>one of the founder's of alt.poly(Joe) over break hear in Chicago.
>
>*sigh*  I seem to have missed out on Joe's US tour; if anyone reading
>this runs into him before he leaves, say hi to him for me....

Hey, he and Karina are staying with me...they'll probably be here till
Monday or so.  If anyone near Chicago wants to swing by and say hi, or
call while they're in the US, get in touch with me.

 - Kateri
-- 
i thank you God for most this amazing
day:  for the leaping greenly spirits of the trees
and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes		 - e.e.cummings
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: mono with poly partners?
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:31:45 GMT

Hello everybody!  I haven't read or posted to this group in a long time
so if I say things that have been talked to death already, please forgive
me.

I am one of those people that is totally undecided about whether I'm
"naturally" monogamous or polyamorous.  When I'm in a relationship in
which monogamy seems "required", I feel as if the sword of Damocles is
hanging over my head, and consequently I want to cut that thread and
jump out of the way.  On the other hand, I might really only be interested
in one person at a time.

So now I'm wondering, might I be a monogamous person who is happiest with
polyamorous partners?

Any comments or Wise Words of Wisdom?

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory