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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Cure: I Wish...
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:18:50 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

[deleted by mistake. sorry]
>> > anyone. the cure have a large enough following to be able to do whatever they 
>> > choose and their real fans will still adore them.
>> > 
>> GOOD POINT. I'm one fan that will for sure.
>> 
BAD POINT. That makes no sense. So they can start churning out Tiffany-style
music and I should still adore them?

"Rape me like a child... christened in blood... painted like an unknown saint... 
the only choice is left... your voice is dead and old and always empty..."
vs.
"Monday Tuesday Wednesday blahblahblah..."

Even Lovesong was great IMOFOSPO because it took convention and turned it on
its head... "Whenever I'm alone with you/You make me feel like I am free again"
                                                                        
So let's just lay it on the line... once the Cure made some good music... as
recently as 1989 by my count, but the best was 1980-1982. So I'm not a "real
fan" for no longer adoring them? Oh no! Certainly not like those high school
kids with their _Wish_ t-shirts!! 
> 
> it's funny to see all these trendy boppy types wearing cure shirts these 
> days. (morrissey shirts too). i have even had people tell me about "this 
> new band called the cure". i sit and laugh at them and show them some of 
> my cure material dated 1978. they just sit there and look stupid. i'll 
> always love the cure, no matter how they sound. so long as they are 
> making music to please themselves and not the world then they're okay by 
> me.

Yeah I must say I can't hate the Cure for making a trashy album. But I'll be
damned if I'll listen to anyone try and say that they're "alternative" these
days or that the new stuff is good and I should adore them. Respect for an
individual should be separate from respect for their art. And people shouldn't
be so blind as to love anything a favorite group makes.

--Kreig
ravinglunatick
kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Help
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:53:32 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Could some kind soul help me get in touch with an old friend of mine from
BuckWheat Zydeco.  I need to get in touch with V as soon as possible.

Please send their booking number or just their new address.

Thanks,

======================================================
 Teddy Kalivoda  ------------> tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu 
   University of GA Computing & Network Services       
     Inst.of Higher Education, UGA, Athens, Georgia               
=====================================================                                                                          
	"The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters"
				        (Goya, Caprichos)
From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nirvana
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:38:16 GMT
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology

jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins) writes:

> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu writes:
> > [...] if you're a Rushfan, then you just KNOW that any band with
> > an MTV hit has to suck--without even listening to them.
> 
> Geez... by stereotyping and pigeonholing "rushfans" you are doing the
> exact same thing that you claim "rushfans" are doing to "nirvanafans".

No he isn't. Read soren's posting a bit closer, and recall (if you've
been around that long) some of your rec.music.misc history. 

Soren is not talking about 'rush fan', as in: "someone who likes the
music of the group Rush", but about 'Rushfan', as in: "the mindless
type of arrogant imbecile who appears on Usenet musical newsgroups and
causes flame-wars fueled by his undying contempt for anything
non-Rush".

It was a Rushfan who saw conspiracies against individualism and quoted
pages of Ayn Rand at us when his proposal for a Rush newsgroup
democratically failed. (I'm not making this up -- ask others.)

If you're still not convinced: soren was talking to *me* and he *knows*
that I'm a rush fan. Did it look like as if I was being flamed?

> >Then again, what can you expect from someone who only listens to
> >music to prove to himself that he's smart enough to understand the
> >lyrics?  Truly pathetic.)
> 
> I don't know anyone like that. 

Stick around on the net a while, or take a look over at alt.music.rush.  
People like this exist, and Rush is not the only group that causes
this behaviour, either: next to the Rushfan we have also seen the
Bushfan, the Morriseyfan, the Floydfan, and (god help us) the Yesfan.

> I do, however, know people that refuse to listen to music that they
> consider to have dumb lyrics because *dumb lyrics drive them up a
> wall*.

This narrow approach means that you will automatically hate about 95 %
of what's out there (whether pop, rock, rap or 'alternative') based on
exactly *one* of the many factors making up the music in question.
Sounds like the very definition of 'snob' to me...

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:51:17 EDT
From: <TRV100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Are the Cure coming back?

Anyone heard about a second Cure tour in North America towards the end of the
year?  Are they still here?  I saw their fabulous show in Toronto in July, and
would definitely cough up another $30 to see them again, anywhere like New
York, Toronto, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Penn State (hey, they came here in '89
believe it or not!)  Thanks


                                        Todd Vogel
                                        trv100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: Camper van Beethoven spinoffs
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:46:43 GMT

Heather only left out one that I know of, the one that came before
Key Lime Pie -- Our Beloved Revolutaionary Sweetheart.

Lena
From: genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nirvana vs. Pearl Jam: the winner is...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:48:14 PDT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

martinw@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (martin warnett) writes:

> Stuff them both, listen to Ugly Kid Joe instead...

o man! i'd even listen 2 nirvana before ugly kid joe.
-g

HALE TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Public Access Node, San Diego CA 619/660-6734 HST
genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)   30-Sep-92 at 12:48p

***SAVE A NATION-- KILL A LIBERAL***
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.rock-n-roll
From: nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks)
Subject: State of Love and Trust lyrics
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  6 Oct 92 20:29:05 GMT

as transcribed from Guitar World magazine:

State of Love and Trust - Pearl Jam
=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=

State of love and trust is a
Bustin' down the pretext
Since their plays and preachers 
Went to heaven and to court.
Uh-huh.

And the signs are passin'.
Grip the wheel,
Can't a read it.
Sacrifice receiving
The smell that's on my hands...hands...yeah.

And I listen
For the voice inside my head.
Nothin', I'll do this one myself.

Lay her down as priest does
Should the Lord be a counting.
Will be in my honor, 
Make it pain, painfully quick.
Uh-huh.

Promises are whispered
In the days of darkness.
Want to be enlightened
Like I want to be told the end, end, ah.

And the barrel shakes
And directly at my head.
Oh, help me,
Help me from myself!

And I listen 
from both sides of a friend.
Nothin', I'll do this one myself.
Uh-huh, huh, ow.
M..Myself.
Myself!

Hey na na na na hey that's something.
Hey na na na na hey that's something.
Hey na na na na hey that's something.
Wanna back, back it away, yeah, huh, uh.

And I listen
For the voice inside my head.
Nothin', I'll do this one myself.
Oo, ah, ho, and the barrel waits,
Trigger shakes, aimed right at my head.
Won't you help me, 
Help me from myself?

Hmm...State of love and trust
And a State of love and trust
And a State of love and trust
And a State of love and...yeah!
--
Oxymoron #111:  compulsory volunteers
Steven Parks  (309) 677 1271
SnailMail: 1312 W. Main #104 Peoria, IL USA 61606 
E-Mail:  nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu    or    nudnik@buhub.bradley.edu
From: sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: LA Hardcore...
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:51:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Could someone please send me some info on the LA Harcore scene....
Where can I go to find out about shows?  Get good music?  Where are the good
shops?  Please e-mail me or post to this group....thanks.
Peace
Steve Knezevich
knezevic@aludra.usc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Subject: Re: About moshing......
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:15:02 GMT


	A couple of months ago at Caberet Metro in Chicago (great place!)
during the Mighty, Mighty Bosstones and Bad Religion show i show something
that i'd never seen before.  whenever anyone went down, the people 
immediately around them would form a circle and not let anybody in
until the fallen mosher was able to get back up.
From: camvkkas@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Todd Schlesinger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Faith No More Antics
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I assume that th recent antics of Faith No More's lead vocalist Mike Patton
have been heard around the US by now, since this band is considered alternative
by some and metal by others I thought I'd start by posting here.

	Apparently, Mike Patton, at a private party for 97Rock a local 
buffalo station exposed himself and performed lewd acts with the 
microphone and with the guitar neck of one band member. This according
to the Buffalo News Oct 3, 1992. Several members of the audience
were outraged enough to inform the police and the state liquor authority of 
the incident.

	Any discussion of feelings regarding this kind of activity at 
rock concerts?

My opinion, this act was uncalled for and disgusting.

						
******************************************************************************

						TS
From: jybriend@ens-lyon.fr (Jean-Yves Briend)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nick Drake
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:48:24 GMT
Reply-To: jybriend@ens-lyon.fr
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon


   There is a cover of "know" by Jacques Mahieux... Still a very good one. In his album
"Chantages"....
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: umdenbo0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David A. Denboer)
Subject: Peter Gabriel -- The The
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:36:38 GMT

First subject...
If you haven't yet got the new Peter Gabriel album, and you like his stuff,
I say get it!  I've been waiting 6 years for this album, and it does NOT 
disappoint.  This is a BEAUTIFUL album. GET IT!!!!

Second Subject...
The the...The album is due in 12 days.  Has anyone heard a single yet???
This one has alot more Johnny Marr on it than the last one, and as such
is bound to be an excellent offering.  Please let me know if you hear a 
single off this album, as I am very interested. 

umdenbo0@CCU.UManitoba.CA
David  A.  den Boer
Musi Computer Products

-- 
David A. denBoer
Musi Computer Products
David_denBoer@UManitoba.CA  (or umdenbo0@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
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From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty)
Subject: Smiths "Charming Man" out in US yet?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:53:26 GMT

OK, so have the two CD singles of "This Charming Man" been released in
the US yet? The record stores here haven't even heard of it, neither
as a UK nor US  release. 

Is any SMiths fan with access to better record shops willing to buy
an extra copy of each for me? I'd be grateful as only Smiths fans can
be. 

Richard


.
.
.
From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Automatic for the People
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:20:28 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <BvoLEA.FDI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A S
hnekendorf) writes:
>Ok, what's the verdict on Automatic For the People (REM)?  I heard it was
>a lot morte acoustic and more like the old REM.
>
>Ed.
>

    I'm listening to side one  (called the Drive side, with two being the Ride 
side.  I love when they do that) of AFTP presently.  I have to say that it may 
very well replace Reckoning as my favourite REM album.  That's my first 
impression anyway.  "Everybody Hurts", for example, while having a very simple 
D - G chord progression (which sounds vaguely like Velvet Underground meets U2)
is a very emotionally powerful song the likes of which I wasn't sure they were 
capable of writing any longer.
     But that's just one prole's opinion.
-kristoff
From: lancer@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Joy Div trivia
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:43:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: CP8219A@auvm.american.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 14:33:53 GMT

>>>>> "Christopher H. Prokop" == Christopher H. Prokop <CP8219A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
Christopher H. Prokop> Ok, everyone knows NO was originally JD
Christopher H. Prokop> Some know that JD was previously called Warsaw.
Christopher H. Prokop> Who knows what they were called before that (and more 
Christopher H. Prokop> interestingly-WHY??)

Who ARE you, Kasey Kasem?  I could see posting a question to the net, but
why post a silly trivia thing?  Remember that "you're wasting billions of
dollars..." message your news poster printed to your screen?  Are you
trying to demonstrate your superior knowledge of music trivia?  Did someone
ask while I wasn't looking and you decided to make a game of it?  Well,
gosh, Chris, I'm really impressed...

Anyone who CARES would have asked or looked in any of the JoyDiv books and
found the answer.  MOST people on the net really probably DON'T care.
Besides, it was discussed at length a few years ago on the New Order
emailing list...

Christopher H. Prokop> answer coming soon...........

So no one has a cardiac arrest waiting for the answer...

Joy Div was called Warsaw 'cause of Bowie, and called the Stiff Kittens
because Pete Shelley (of the Buzzcocks) had a cat who was pregnant and kept
dropping stillborn (stiff) kittens all over the house and he thought it was
a cool name for a punk band.  Joy Division reportedly never actually USED
this name, it was just suggested to them.

.s.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The evils of Pearl Jam WAS Re: Temple of the Dog
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:15:57 EST

genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:
> 
> okay, i say they just plain suck because they are not talented. 
> their  commercial success is based upon being trendy. you cant be 
> trendy  forever. they suck suck suck.

ok. that's cool. why didn't you say so in the first place? frankly,
i could care less about their commercial success. even -they- never
expected it. as for not being talented...*shrug* so? they write
damn fun songs. 

if they care, i can mosh to it, and it makes me think, it's good music. 

jason

--
would you could you should you cross thru if i could wipe my eyes a blinding
compromise another pinky shave enlightens the brow now cow to die another day
if you prefer outside be blessed sir ostracize better bastard now forgotten
well instead of favored son of hell in hopes to open eyes - scaterd few, U
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From: tempted@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Dawson)
Subject: Re: Erasure in the NorthWest??
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:58:30 GMT


Does anyone know if Erasure will be playing in the Seattle area?  I'm
going to be rather pissed if they aren't.  not everyone here listens to
Nirvana, who, by the way, are from a little coastal town called Aberdeen. 
They are not from Seattle. 

IneedErasure
IneedErasure
IneedErasure

Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to answer,
greeneyes
From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (-- Dalamar --)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Stone Roses
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:21:46 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

wongl@rs6006.ecs.rpi.edu (Lance) writes:
> I heard that the Roses will have their new album out in the states soon
> (its already out in Europe, i think).  Does anyone know a date that
> it might come out on? All I know is that October is the month.
> Keywords: 

The Album you refer to is (I think) called Turned into Stone and is a 
collection of remixes and stuff so I gather. The new album is not yet
ready, but I understand that they are working on it as well as getting arrested 
and other (probably not legal) activities.

Pads

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From: N88BC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: fIREHOSE
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:24:36 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Does anyone out there know when fIREHOSE are suppose to be touring again?
When I saw them back in the Spring, they mentioned they would be around
again in the fall. Also, if they keep with their pattern thus far, an new
album should be coming--an word on that?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Subject: Re: About moshing......
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:15:09 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Oct1.151502.5408@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:


>	A couple of months ago at Caberet Metro in Chicago (great place!)
>during the Mighty, Mighty Bosstones and Bad Religion show i show something
>that i'd never seen before.  whenever anyone went down, the people 
>immediately around them would form a circle and not let anybody in
>until the fallen mosher was able to get back up.

Well, that's what usually happens when you have agood crowd.  In fact one
of the best crowds I've been in at a show was at a _Mighty Mighty
BossTones_ show at the student center in Madison Wisconsin.  The idiots
who booked the show didn't know how popular the group really was, and made
them play the gig in the cafeteria at the student union.  This cafeteria
is small, and not designed for a pit-like atmosphere.  Everyone was
predicted belam, and riots, and the cops closing the show early.  But,
everything went great.  In fact, the only problems came from idiot
rent-a-cops who would just grab slammers and try to break their arms
(literally).   Which brings me to this point....

On some stupid morning/houswife/talkshow, they were talking about moshing
and stuff, and they had a guy on who did security for _Murphy's Law_. 
What he said was so true, and I was so happy it was on national TV.  He
explained that almost all violence that results at shows comes from panicy
security guards who just grab people for no reason.  I've seen this happen
at dozens of shows.  The most vivid being the _RIDE_ show at the Academy
in NYC.  I counted about 10 people stage diving, and not only stage
diving, dancing and cavorting on stage mind you.  The security guards did
nothing.  Then, out of nowhere, the security guard grabs the geekist kid,
and puts him in a headlock, and drags him off the floor.  This idiot
probably grabbed that kid so his boss wouldn't go "Why didn't you do
anything?"  I swear, its morons like that (more than even the Frat-Boys)
that ruin shows......

Jack
jis@panix.com
From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Rh Factor, Flower Garden?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 03:31:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Anyone ever heard of Rh Factor or Flower Garden from New Haven, CT?
If so, let me know.  Any opinions?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kauffman@slab.unt.edu (DON KAUFFMAN)
Subject: HELP:  Shriekback album
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:26:43 GMT


	I have a cassette tape with a Shriekback album recorded on
	it, and I would like to buy it on CD, but I have no idea
	which album it is.  I don't know any of the song titles,
	either.  The one unusual song that I remember the lyrics
	to right now (not having the tape with me) is a slow one.
	The chorus:	"may the fire be your friend
			and the sea rock you gently
			may the moon light your way
			'till the wind sets you free"
	Could somebody please tell me which album this is?
	Also, what other Shriekback albums are most similar?

					Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla)
Subject: Re: Early New Order CD reissues?
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:00:19 GMT

In <86-p15p@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>Mike Jung <MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> Was the album version of New Order's "1981-1982" EP re-issued on CD? 
>> I'm particularly looking for the song "Procession." 
>Not as far as I know, but _Movement_ is about to get a US CD reissue sometime
>in late October -- maybe they tacked _1981-1982_ as a bonus?

No way.  I can't believe I've scooped the mighty Lazlo. :)

I bought what used to be called "Factus 8", the 1981-1982 EP, on CD at
a local Albany record store about two months ago.  The new catalog
number is FEP-313, and the tracks are, to my ears, identical to the
original 12" vinyl pressing.  Since this is probably my favorite New
Order material, I figured the whole world would know by now.... it
exists! 

Rob
From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Previously import Curveage on the way to the States...
Date: 30 Sep 1992 03:13:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


It's about copulating time. Charisma Records will be releasing the first
three Curve EPs ("Blindfold", "Frozen", "Cherry") on one disc under the
name _Pubic Fruit_ (great title) sometime in October or November. "Frozen"
was the only EP previously available domestically. Yay. They've come to
make us feel good. Memo to all radio folks reading this: get this record,
then play "Die Like A Dog" several times a day until your listeners call in
with death threats. Then play it some more. :)
-- 
Mark Cornick <cc647@cleveland.freenet.edu>
[Co-moderator of the indie-list! mail for info]
You give us 22 minutes, we'll give you the world...
 -- Girls Against Boys
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