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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:34:32 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene) writes:

> (Daniel Rosenblum) writes:
> 
> > one member of the C-ANF said that they didn't
> >want a Black person representing the interests of Cuban-Americans
> >in the U.S. government!
> > You might also want to
> >say that you are against the undue influence that the Cuban-
> >American National Foundation, an organization that represents the
> >most right-wing diehard opponents of Castro who won't stop at
> >anything to have their way, on U.S. foreign policy.
> 
> It might be important to note that the majority of the Cubans in America
> who are conspiring against Castro are white and formed the rich-class that
> that in tandem with orgainised crime had a strngle hold on and ruled Cuba
> before the revolution.
> 
> I understand that a significant proportion of Cuba (60%??) is black. These
> people believe that life would be worse were it not for Castro (rightly or
> wrongly)and would die for him. 
> 
> The majority of Cubans blacks fear the return of the old racist and exploit
> ative ways. Note also that the majority of Cuban exiles in the USA are white.
> No question that they would not be admitted if they were black...
> 
> 
> 
> makala
> 


Next time you see film or video of one of Fidel Castro's speeches, take a 
look around the podium at all the black faces sitting up there with him 
representing the Cuban leadership.
 
Odds are, there won't be any.  There scarcely ever have been since Fidel 
came down from the mountains 30-plus years ago.
 
It's true that the old-line wealthy right-wing families who owned Cuba 
when Bautista<sp?> ran it often treated black Cubans as second-class 
citizens and still do today in Miami, but revolutionary Cuba under Castro 
really hasn't been much better.

Amazing how that happened...
G.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:14183 alt.discrimination:5662
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Talk, Talk, and Talk on....
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:05:32 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes: 
> 
	[this was in response to a call for blacks to leave the US
	for a more favorable place to live]

> If you know of any other place where Blacks have more effective freedoms and
> guarantees of liberty, I'd sure like to hear about it.  When there's a jump
> boot on the back of my neck and the muzzle of a rifle against my head, the
> color of the foot in the boot and the finger on the trigger are of purely
> academic significance to me.

I'm glad that you feel that the US is just about the best place in the world
for blacks (and, i presume for whites too ;-)

But maybe not everyone else will feel that way.  Even in your hypothetical
I can see why the color of the jack-booted-rifle-toting opress might
matter quite a bit to some people.  In one case you might be an
opressed *human-being* and in another case you might be an opressed
*sub-human*, and psychologically there is a world of difference between
the two.  

Immigration offers the possibility of taking a new identity, sort
of like being reborn.  This can be important.
  
> The solutions have to come from within us.  You have to start with yourself.
> Don't abuse drugs.  Don't steal.  [etc....deleted]

There's problems that come from without as well as within as well
as complex mixtures of the two.  And the solution that the guy who
started this thread is a solution that comes from within anyway.
He proposed that the individual take responsibility for changing
his environment through immigration....an age old solution tried
by many people from *every* nation on earth, even the US.

James Baldwin moved to France, and liked it a lot better than the US.
I would probably hate it in France....but that doesn't mean that 
everyone else will feel the same way.  And I can think of lots
of countries that one might find more favorable depending on 
their particular circumstances.

Steve Seidman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:53:21 EST


-----start of forwarded msg

Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Hokh'Ton)
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:08:09 GMT

In <C1FvGt.CBJ@NCoast.ORG> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:

>As quoted from <2489@blue.cis.pitt.edu> by pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene):

>> It might be important to note that the majority of the Cubans in America
>> who are conspiring against Castro are white and formed the rich-class that
>> that in tandem with orgainised crime had a strngle hold on and ruled Cuba
>> before the revolution.
>> 
>> I understand that a significant proportion of Cuba (60%??) is black. These
>> people believe that life would be worse were it not for Castro (rightly or
>> wrongly)and would die for him. 

>The only problem is that if I'm not mistaken, a LARGE proportion of the 
>Marielitos were BLACK.  Obviously they didn't see much of a future for 
>themselves in Cuba.  I wouldn't call that being willing to die for Castro.
> . . .


>Christopher Morton
--------------------------------------------
	Yes, a large portion of the Marielitos was Black. Many of them,
however, were releases from prisons, given the choice of joining the boat
brigade or being further imprisoned or executed. I don't think that they
represent a very good sampling of the Afro-Cuban population.
-- 




	Hokh'Ton	:	The Crystal Wind is the Storm,
  mdouglas@netcom.com	:	 and the Storm is Data,
Michael Douglas-Llyr	:	  and the Data is Life.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.usa
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: Justice Thurgood Marshall
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:17:52 GMT
Summary: what's happening to our heroes?

When I was a little boy I remember flipping through my mother's Black
history book. It was when I first learned to read and before I knew
that "justice" was a title as well as an unfulfilled objective for Blacks.
I kept seeing references to a "Justice Thurgood Marshall" and I
naturally thought "Justice" was his first name. I remember being told about
the great things he'd done and I remember thinking how remarkable it was that 
his parents had the foresight to name him "Justice".  It wasn't until later 
that I learned "Justice" was not his first name, but rather a general title 
meaning "judge". Still, the sense of coincidence never left me.

In many African cultures the name of a new-born holds very special
significance and it is chosen carefully on the belief that the child's
life will fulfill the destiny prescribed in the name. There is still a
part of me that firmly believes "Justice" was Thurgood Marshall's *real*
name, for few lives have fulfilled the word so nicely.

	Darryle
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Andrew Hacker in Palo Alto
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:43:02 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan28.042630.6312@midway.uchicago.edu>,
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1k7bcmINNosq@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>I just wanna say my best homegirl Omonike and I went to see and hear
>>Andrew Hacker last night at Printers' Inc in Palo Alto and despite
>>Ted Frank's smart-ass comments about the man's findings being bogus
>>(meaning, it don't serve us white folks' continuing aims to sustain
>>our privileges)
>
>Sigh.  I haven't received a single "privilege" for being white in my
>life.  For that matter, I've consistently spoken out against white
>privileges, and male privileges for that matter -- I defy you to find
>a single post where I try to "sustain" white privileges.
.
.
Perception versus reality.

>I see no reason why you need to assume that my objections to Hacker
>are based on his conclusions rather than his innumerate methodologies.
>Nor do I see any reason why you need to be insulting, when I've given
>you no reason to question my motivations.
.
.
At this late stage of the game, when I'm leaving the Robber Baron's
lair tomorrow, why the hell should I bother?
.
You sure haven't heard of the walking unconscious, haven't you!
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:01:29 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan20.223413.10464@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
>In various articles mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:

>>As I asked you, how many people do you know who have been
>>mugged by blacks and how many who have been mugged by whites?

>A stand-up comic said it best: Blacks and whites just have different
>ways of mugging you. A Black person will approach you with a gun
>and say "Give me all your money!". A white person will approach
>you with a pen and say "Sign here Mr. Jones." 8-)

Perhaps, but I can always say "No" to the guy with a pen.  The guy
with the gun usually makes that option much harder.

As before, how many people do you know who have been mugged by blacks
and how many who have been mugged by whites?  Why don't you want to
answer the question?

>>A permanent policy of shoot to kill against rioters
>>might be a pretty effective permanent solution to riots.

>Not in a society that pretends to be democratic. 

Sorry, dude, but democracy refers to majority rule.  If the majority
is happy killing rioters then there is no problem.

>I guess a similar sentiment on the part of the British necessitated 
>the Revolutionary War. And look what happened...

Darryle, I suggest you read up a bit on US history.  The British had
no such sentiment - they usually bent over backwards by the standards
of the day to avoid violence.  The Revolutionary War was not caused by
the Brittish shooting rioters.  If your highschool history courses
left you with that impression they were pretty pathetic.

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Burning women
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:15:36 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

To end this lunacy, I have a couple of books for you guys to check
out.
.
Barbara Ehrenreich and Dierdre English, "Witches, midwives and
nurses: A history of women healers" speaks of the persecution of
women by the Church, and how these very women became targets of
witch hunts, burnings and trials.
.
Jean Donnison, "Midwives and medical men:  A history of
inter-professinal rivalries and women's rights" speaks of the
enmities and differences between doctors and folk medicine
or 'natural' practitioners like women without licenses from the
state.
.
Speaking as a soon to be ex-medical secretary, I've observed first
hand how doctors treat their patients like shit and dispute natural
ways of healing against medical technology.  While there's bogusness
on both sides of the aisle, one should give some credence to the
sticks and bones that got us this far.
.
I just hope they don't burn all the rainforests down before we get a
cure for cancer or AIDS.  I mean, look what happened with the yew
tree. They considered it just a trashy tree and now, its properties
could cure breast cancer.  Now, its something rare.
.
There's definitely something outta kilter here.
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Black American Industrial Revolution: Ceramic Knives!!!
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:01:16 GMT

     Last night I was watching this techno show called "Beyond 2000" on  
the Discovery channel. One of the segments talked about what kind of  
technology will be developed in the next twenty years. One item that was  
talked about and demonstrated very briefly was a ceramic kitchen knife.  
Ceramic is very hard, holds a nice edge, and lasts *forever*. Ceramic has  
great potential to completely replace steel in the manufacture of knives.   
To my knowledge, aside from a few "demonstration" prototypes, noone is  
making these. After seeing this show, I was thinking, here is a great  
opportunity for some enterprising black entrepreneur-to-be to get in on  
the ground floor in a business with an explosive worldwide market  
potential. Furthermore, a manufacturing business (such as this) could  
provide some much needed high-wage employment opportunities for  
lower-income black Americans. Anyone interested in this, or know of anyone  
who might be interested in this?

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Cabinet and bigotry as Diversity
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:51:33 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan22.023154.18879@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>"Diversity" gives us common criminals like Zoe Baird who for Clinton
>are appropriately female rather than appropriately honest.

"Diversity" has nothing to do with criminals or criminal actions, again,
someone demonstrates their negative association of miniroties and diversity
with crime. One person can not and should not represent a whole idea or class.


Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A raspberry to Kolodney
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:20:22 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.

If Gabrielle Daniels says she's a writer, I'll take her
word for it.  But to unload such foolishness on Larry
Kolodney (of all people) suggests that she don't read too
good.

Norman Miller
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the j
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:06:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1993Jan20.151728.7585@nynexst.co:277513024:cdp:1471600069:000:989
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Jan 22 17:06:00 1993


ML King is honored for the moral leadership he gave to all Americans, to
all the world. ML King did not and does not stand for "blackness" but
for the "content of one's character."  ML King is honored as one of
the most effective and dedicated people ever to put the principle of
nonviolence to work to right great wrongs.

So:  I think it would be a mistake to think that MLK day could be
renamed "civil rights day," since there was more to MLK than that, as
great as that is.  It is also a mistake to think that MLK Day is a day
honoring a great African American. 
ML KIng day honors a great American--and African Americans may be
particularly proud that MLK was from their ethnic group, but all Americans
can look to MLK for a legacy of leadership.

Here in Austin some people started up a Confederate Heroes Day to
balance what they perceived as an imbalance in celebrating MLK Day.  I honestly
don't know anything about confederate heroes to admire--perhaps someone
can enlighten me.
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Statement of President Clinton on Health Care Reform Task Force
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:01:00 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <C1H6AK.2In@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
writes:
>
>
>In article <1993Jan26.010023.18380@r-node.pci.on.ca>, ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
(Nigel Allen) writes:
>>Here is a press release from the White House.
>>
>> Statement of President Clinton on Health Care Reform Task Force
>> To: National Desk, Health Writer
>> Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2100
>>
>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 25   -- Following is a statement of
>> President Clinton at the White House Monday, Jan. 25:
>>
>>   Good afternoon.
>>   As I travelled across our country this past year, no stories moved
>>me more than the stories of those families struggling to pay for
>>health care. 
>
>[call for socialist medicine deleted]
>
>SG	Yeah, that's right. The government should steal money from those who 
>have it and give it to those who don't. Of course, this can be done with due 
>process and in non-violent offices by people with briefcases and university 
>degrees so its not theft (with the implicit threat of a policeman's gun should

>someone desire not to pay for the welfare state) but social policy. "Hey
Lefty! 
>Hit that guy with your fist and take his money. Yeah, tell 'em we're
liberating 
>his wallet. Har! Har! Yeah, we'll buy Joe some cocaine. Yeah, we're stealing 
>your money to help a friend. You're not gonna be selfish and refuse to help 
>Joe, are you? Hit 'em again, Lefty."
>
>Hitler and Stalin liked socialized medicine. Why not President Slickwillie?

Now you see that what's wrong with people like you, who only care about
yourself. If the money or services is appopriated to the people with need, then
I have no problem with it. I personally have a problem when individuals do not
need the services and are abusing tax payers money. I'd like to see an
individual like yourself set back about 400 years and stuck in a vicious circle
and then see if you still think the same way.

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
From: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <C16GEq.D59@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>How can you "steal" technology?  All you can do is copy it.  Yet there
>absolutely no evidence of industrialization in Africa in pre-colonial
>times.  So whatever was stolen, it certainly wasn't the technology
>which Europe used to rule the world.

Sorry, Larry, but you're wrong here. When your ancestors and mine were
living in caves making interesting paintings of animals, our African brethren 
were working iron in central and northern Africa. It came to Europe through
Spain and through the Balkans from North Africa and the middle east. 

Now, I don't consider the expansion of basic technologies to be stealing, unless
you take all the apparatus and kill all the people who know how to make the
apparatus, and that was clearly not done in this case, but the technology 
of the iron age did come from sub-saharan africa first. 

JZ


  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: sterrett@nosc.mil (Anthony E. Sterrett)
Subject: Sorry to offend
Keywords: Arthur Hu
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:35:00 GMT


I wrote I posting some time ago in reply to the posting
"what Arthur Hu means to me" I say or rather I tried to 
say the African Americans have taken Dr. King teaching to
heart. I don't mean to offend anybody by saying this but
I feel that the ideal of color blindness if found among
African Americans more than elsewhere. Our leaders
from Dr. King to Rev Jackson to Bishop Tutu loudly
speak of this. I wish other leaders would also. so 
prove me wrong. Be Color Blind!

ps Andrew I have lost your address please send to me. I
beleive or disagreement is in form not content.

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