From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:32:58 AET
Distribution: world
Organization: UCQ

In article <1992Dec28.234057.45936@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.095756.13151@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, 
>>salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>>..... (deleted).......
>> 
>>    This is nothing but Mustafa bashing based on your prejudices against him
>> for no apparent reason.
> 
>  Nosssir ! You can't bash a rhino !!!! I am not prejudiced. Please ask 
>  Mirza Ilyas/ Naufal Khan about our great Mullah Mustafa Ibrahim !!!!!
>  (A thick-skinned animal like Mustafa Ibrahim *cannot* be bashed. Also, I
>   have not attempted to do so.) You are biased Mr.

   Mustafa bashing has become a fashion on the net. You think you can call
him whatever you like and get away with that. He has become some
kind of scapegoat. He is made guinea pig for the people who are itching to
use filthy language, to call names - the old bad habits. And you have done
it again.

>>..... (deleted).........
>>> 
>>>   The concept of creation of this Universe, as investigated by Jeans, Hubble,
>>>   Einstien, Eddington etc. are quite profound and not at all simplistic.
>>>   Moreover, in the recent times, Hawking-Penrose singularity equation does
>>>   show that there *was* a singular behavior at the time of creation. 
>>> 
>>       Do you want to imply that the people who are not physicists have no
>> idea of the modern theory of cosmology? It is not the precise mathematical
>> theories but "a general concept concerning the formation of the Universe",
>> outlined in the Qur'an. Read the text carefully.
> 
>    There is *nothing* to read carefully, if it is *not* put forward in the
>    most precise mathematical manner. You are talking about science, not,
>    basket-weaving, Mr . ! On this very issue, I dismiss your comments as most
>    inept and erroneous, because, modern cosmology is based on Hawking-Penrose
>    equations. In the book: " A Brief History of TIme " - S.W.Hawking, the
>    author explains the "cosmic stuff" in an elegant, non-mathematical manner
>    what the mathematics imply in the real-world. This is possible because
>    Hawking is a Lucasian Professor at Cambridge - a renowned mathematical
>    physicist, not some speculative "Dr.B". 
> 
       You sound obsessed by mathematics. What Dr.B has found through his
objective study of the Qur'an is that it is not a book of science but it
doesn't contradict the scientific knowledge rather it is much in agreement.
Talking about Hawking's book "A brief history ...". It is well known that
after few pages of his book "only physicists can understand it and they
already know it". This is the comment made by one of Hawkings colleagues
in Cambridge in an interview very recently. Common people don't understand
it and they buy it only bacause it looks impressive in the bookshelf. Also
his work is very disputable. Talking about Hawking's work a well known
physicist said "there was speculation, then wild speculation and then it
was cosmology." Do you really want to start a scientific debate?
 
>>
>>      Of course, the western scientists don't want embarassment but the
>> evangelists very openly do so.
>>
> 
>    The Western Science is a direct product of the Age of Reason. Thus, being
>    compelled by reason, scientists have abandoned to go some obscure path that
>    in all probablilty lead them up a blind alley ! Only Dr.B's go by that way.
> 

     It is reason which led Dr.B to his conclusions, that is the beauty of
his work. It is not a vain attemp to prove the validity of the Qur'an on
the merits of science as you might speculate.

>>.... (deleted).... 
>> ridiculous and blasphemeous attemp. It was his personal and sincere search
>> of truth which led him to those conclusions rather than a deliberate attempt.
>>
> 
>   Actually this a fad. Trying to christen religious texts/ scriptures in the
>   holy waters of Quantum Theory/ Maxwell's Equations etc. is a game some just
>   want to play. They know such efforts will sell well. BTW, are u' an agent
>   of Dr.B - trying to publicize his book ?
>  
    You can get that book from any Islamic center. (free of charge i suppose).

>> 
>> Nowhere did Jesus Christ (PBUH) claim to be God but still it is
>> vigorously claimed.
> 
>   Followers of Christ in the Middle-ages till date have mostly exhibited that
>   it is impossible to emulate the Ultimate of Kindness - Jesus Christ (PBUH).
>   I need not take lessons from you on this. O.K ? One of the most progressive
>   Prophets I have known is Jesus Christ.
>   
     Hey man! you first mentioned Jesus Christ (PBUH) out of the context and
now you sound irritated. I didn't want to offend you. My apologies if you
found it offensive. I do love and respect Jesus Christ (PBUH) and I find
insiparations in his teacings.

>>      A final comment. Read the book, it is worth reading and it is very short.
>>
> 
>   No I might go to a disco joint ! Thanks anyway !
> 
>   I have a twopence thought: assuming that you are devout Mussalman, please
>                              attach some respect for Qur'an. Allah (saws) will
>                              then have some sympathy for you. Do what Qur'an
>                              has exactly asked you to do. Don't do tadpole
>                              jumping.
> 
> 
>   BTW, mathematics is the only way God communicates to man - explaining His
>   majestic creation. It is *not* to opposse the Almighty. I hope you understand
>   what Al-Islam means ???????????????????? 
> 
    It will be interesting to see a "mathematical theory of Islam", by D.
Chatt.

>> 
>>      Salam.
>>    (doesn't claim to be good)
> 
>      - deb chatterjee
>     (a good samaritan)

   Salam.
   ( a mathematical physicist)



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