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From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Texas/Texas A&M
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:42:41 GMT

mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mujtaba) writes:

>Is there anyone out there who knows how Texas recruiting is coming along?
>A friend told me that  he read in some newspaper that Texas A&M has received
>verbal commitments from 3 of the best offensive linemen and 2 very good
>defensive linemen from the state of Texas. Also they've got the nod from a
>damn DB who is being very heavily recruited by Notr Dame, Miami, Nebraska

>and Texas. Texas really needs good DB's, now that the fab four are graduating
>Looks like the aggies are going to have a banner recruiting year even with 
>only 10, or 11 scholarships to hand out.
>As far as Texas is concerned, I know that we've received a verbal commitment
>from one of the best quarterback prospects out of high school this year.
>If he comes to Texas, then we don't have to worry about quarterbacks for
>quite a while.
>I'm really quite optimistic about our recruiting this year. After what Coach
>Mackovic accomplished last year. And with so little time to do it in.
>If anyone knows about Texas recruiting , please post what you know.
>bye now.

I don't know about Texas recruiting, but one observation about this 
year is that prospects are giving oral committments much earlier than
in  years past.  I believe NCAA squad size limits are lowered slightly next
year and maybe this has caused some players to commit early and get the
school they want.

It's nice to hear that Mackovic has a second good quarterback.  That was
a mystery at Illinois.  He signed 4 classes with marginal quarterbacks,
he couldn't seem to get a QB with national or even regional credentials.  
But he had Jeff George and he scared recruits off.  And opposing coaches 
told recruits he was going to leave for the NFL.  

Only one of his recruiting classes would be considered real good.  I
believe he made excellent use of the talent at Illinois, but didn't 
replenish it.  For that reason, his move to TX was probably a good one
because continued success with the players he recruited would have
been difficult.  

The previous coach and the new one are better recruiters than Mackovic.
Nevertheless it was a blow for IL to lose him.  But I think he is 
a very formal person, not well suited to recruiting.  If Texas enjoys 
recruiting success, a lot of it will be due to assistants and reputation,
not John M. talking recruits and exciting them with the prospect of 
playing for him.

He's more the chairman of the board type.  But that can be overcome with
enthusiastic assistant coaches and a player rich state.  
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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 107--final
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 12:44:43 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

	Here are my final results, all included.

	Team                    Record          Weight
	----                    ------          ------
	1 Alabama               13-0            2.35
	2 Florida State         11-1            2.34
	3 Notre Dame            10-1-1          2.20
	4 Washington            9-3             2.11
	5 Miami Fl              11-1            2.09
	6 Stanford              10-3            2.03
	7 Michigan              9-0-3           1.99
	8 Texas A&M             12-1            1.94
	9 Syracuse              10-2            1.89
	10 Georgia              10-2            1.84
-------------------------------------------------------

Your system has some obvious flaws.....Washington is not better
than Michigan in any sense this year. The game didn't prove
it nor did their records. 3 losses - no losses, it's a simple
concept. Stanford is not better than Michigan either.....
3 losses - no losses, it's a simple concept.

Clearly the Pac Ten is a better conference than the Big 10
top to bottom. In fact, they don't even compare....however,
the best team in the Big ten this year, Michigan, was better
than any Pac Ten team.

How can you put Florida State ahead of Miami? Miami played a
tougher schedule, won all their games until the end of season,
and (for Christ's sake you morons) beat Florida State.

You need to get your head out of your ass......
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:26:00 GMT
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Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1993Jan11.235957.26453@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >In article <1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
   >
   >   In article <1993Jan5.144901.14753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
   >   >Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin
   >
   >   *SIGH* We'll miss him.
   >
   >   >Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
   >   >that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of
   >
   >   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.
   >
   >Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
   >strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
   >Who is left?

   What, you're kidding right? Bama has LOADS of talent just waiting to kick
   some butt...yeah, that's it. And their recruting class....OUCH...there will
   be at LEAST 4 freshmen who will start for the Tide...yeah...and they will
   all be named first team all-americans too. 

   ROLL TIDE....get that #1 pre-season ranking (hey, anyone but FSU)

Ahh, you were kidding.  Got it.  Too many names, it gets tough to remember
who roots for their posting sight, against it, is neutral, or actually
*works* for a living.

Bill
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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Miami's Humiliation (or How not to Play Football)
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:01:18 GMT

>>Even though Nebraska lost in the Orange Bowl :-(, I would make a guess that
>>Tommy Frazier, a true Freshman, would have outplayed Gino What's-his-name
>>from Miami.
>>
>>I didn't catch much of the Sugar Bowl, but from what I saw was a bunch of
>>high school players attempting to play on the college level (OK, I'll give
>>Miami a break - Division 3).
>>
>>The "We Backs" would have made mincemeat of the Hurricane defense also.
>
>Oh this is rich. nebraska couldn't beat their meat let alone the
>Hurricanes. They are by far the worst damn bowl team I've ever seen.
>Any team in the nation would breath a sigh of relief upon learning that
>nebahoma will be their opponent in a bowl game. FSU's domination of
>your so called team was nearly as complete as Alabama's domination of the
>Canes. You diminish the bama victory with your fantasy.
>
>Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu

Well, so long as top 5 teams like Florida State keep drawing Nebraska in 
bowl games instead of facing top-5 competition, I guess they will be 
breathing a "sigh of relief".  But in case you missed the boat, Nebraska
was 3-2 against bowl teams this year.  Maybe some Floridafornia snots like
you think the rest of the country is like the void between your ears, 
but I assure you we are for real.  Next season Nebraska will 
undoubtedly pad the post-season schedule and ego of yet another top-5 team
and we'll have to listen to another ass of your caliber treat us like shit, 
but you can blow all the hot air you want until then 'cause it just sounds
stupid from up here.  8^P

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Brooks Kerry Rownd         \/     || 1-'Bama 5-Georg 9-TexAM 13-Tenne 17-Hawii
bkrrrrr                    /\     || 2-Miami 6-Syrac 10-Stan 14-Color 18-WshSt
brooks@ast1.spa.umn.edu __/__\__  || 3-FlaSt 7-Michi 11-Wash 15-OhioS 19-NCStU
(128.101.221.1)          /    \   || 4-NotrD 8-UFlor 12-Nebr 16-Missi 20-NCaro
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:54:13 GMT

In article <79058@hydra.gatech.EDU>
mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> The silence from the net.blowhards is nearly deafening.  Apparently
> they can dish it out, but they can't take it.

What happened to the net.blowhard that wrote an article titled "One For
The Thumb".  My guess is he is sitting on his thumb and won't show his
net.face in r.s.f.c until next year.  I hope he washes his hands before
returning to the keyboard. :-)

> If anyone ever wants evidence of the 2 famous football cliches "Defense
> wins championships." and "The battles are won and lost in the trenches."
> look no further than the 1993 Sugar Bowl.

Like the song says:
  "...`cause down in Alabama you can run, but you sho' can't hide!".
  Lynyrd Skynyrd, Mississippi Kid, off the Pronounced LP.

-- 
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Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
From: shiva@cse.unl.edu (V. Sivaramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:40:28 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>>>	Rank   School              Record   Points
>>>	------------------------------------------
>>>	  13   Colorado             9-2-1      818
>>>	  14   Nebraska             9-3-0      771
>>
<stuff deleted >

>besides, Nebraska was thoroughly beaten by FSU whereas CU was beaten by
>the officials...

Ha ! ha! ha! Look who is talking! 

In the bowl game, Colarado lost to a team that was ranked below them !!


shiva.
>>Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl

>Njan
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:17:55 GMT
Organization: .

(William Carroll) writes:
>>>The silence from the net.blowhards is nearly deafening. 
>
>No, we're still here. Though I haven't seen any Hurricanes paraphanelia
>around lately.
>
>Later, my wife (who is definitely no football fan) asked me "what was so
>amazing?" Evidently, my reaction to Teague's play-that-wasn't was a little
					      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>louder than I realized. Rank it as the play-of-the-year (or maybe ever).

But Teague's play _DID_ count because, and only because, he caught
Thomas _AND_ stripped him of the ball.  Had he not caught him, or just
tackled him, or even knocked the ball out of bounds, Miami would have
taken the play and declined the penalty.  It killed Miami's huge "free
play" and Bama got the ball back soon afterwards anyway.  Not to mention 
the psychological notice it served on the canes.......Wow.

BTW, I say woof it up Bama fans.  To the victor goes the spoils.  Canes
fans have been heaping coals on their heads by their trash talk for the
last two years.  And by "trash talk" most people would mean talking up a
whipping _before_ it happens -- not after.

Well, its after.  So get after it.

Lord kneauxs, if LSU ever wins it all again, I'll be in every single one
of your's KILL file.      :o)


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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:30:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.210443.29718@b11.b11.ingr.com>, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
(Guy D. McConnell) wrote: 

[whining deleted]

> Copeland and Curry all night and the refs never saw it.  Still, even with the
> extra players in stripes, the canes were little lost children.
> 
>     Glad to have a chance to clear up that penalty for the record.

And I thought Miami fans could be poor winners...

James
From: wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Marvin Jones to NFL
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:49:01 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin
Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of
next season.  Even though I don't like your team coming in and
immediately running away with the ACC championship, I still
have to support you guys when you represent the conference so
well in the national rankings........BTW, your basketball team
is overrated.

Bill
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
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Originator: news@nimaster
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Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:35:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.224950.2833@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave,
lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <ASH.93Jan4144721@ulysses.mr.ams.com> Alan Harder,
>ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com writes:
>>Come on, people, leave those poor 'canes fans alone.  Yeah, they were
>>overconfident, and yes, they talked trash, and ok, they didn't give
>>Alabama any respect.  And yes, they deserve to eat huge mounds of
>>crow, and sure, Gino didn't deserve the Heisman.  But are those good
>>reasons to pick on them now?
>
>After watching the Canes players talk trash, brag, taunt, walk out of
>social gatherings, and commit other childish unsportsmanlike conduct
>over the last few years, I say this thumping is sweet as honey. Maybe
>now they will climb under a rock with their traps shut for awhile.

FAT CHANCE, I think one loss in two years is nothing to shut a trap about!

>It is nice to have a classy national champion again.
>
>Norman

Go cry somewhere else Norm!

I wish everyone would wake up and realize that the reason they behave in
that way is to make people mad and lose their concentration and
eventually their confidence.  Also will anyone argue that the 'Canes
don't have anything to be cocky or arrogant about?  They have dominated
college football for ten years like few others ever have.  As I said in
another post, I can eat crow once every two years.

Just think, if ND, USC, Bama, or any other "classy" team ever took this
kind of verbal beating every time they lost, their teams would be dead by
now.

Bring on the bashing, but as touchdown Jesus said "let he who is without
loss cast the first flame"

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Big East Review: RUTGERS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:08:37 GMT

In article <yvonne.726518881@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
> In <1993Jan8.143616.1581@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
> 
> 
> >4. The last-second win over Virginia Tech showed the team's ability
> >to win games in "crunch time."  One of the most thrilling victories
> >since RU 6, Princeton 4 (in 1869).
> 
> 
> Since the game was more like soccer, with one point per goal, the original colleged
> football game was probably not that thrilling.  On the other hand, RU 7 Princeton 6
> in 1972 was probably a thriller.
> 

How do YOU know?  *I* was there!

Seriously, since the game referred to was the first in  Rutgers' history
(and college football history),  what I obviously mean is that it
was: one of the most thrilling victories in Rutgers' history.

How about telling us about the 1972 game.

> 
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:38:31 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

First and foremost, this bowl illustrates why Miami prefers
to cower in fear in the Orange Bowl in New Year's Day rather
than venture to a neutral site.  In 3 trips to the Sugar Bowl,
Miami is now 1-2 with the combined score being SEC 94, Miami 53,
for an average of SEC 31, Miami 17.

Including the Fiesta Bowl loss to Penn State, Miami has gone 1-3
in non-home bowl games relevant to the MNC, scoring an average
of just 16 points per game.  All hail the bowl coalition, for forcing 
Miami to venture outside the Orange Bowl this year.

The silence from the net.blowhards is nearly deafening.  Apparently
they can dish it out, but they can't take it.  Certain Miami players
are even more impressive (NOT!), continuing to dish it out even after
the humiliation served up by Bama, particularly the defensive lineman
who said after the game "I still feel like, if we played it again 
tomorrow that we'd win it."  True class from the masters.  (NOT!)

If anyone ever wants evidence of the 2 famous football cliches "Defense
wins championships." and "The battles are won and lost in the trenches."
look no further than the 1993 Sugar Bowl.  Alabama's control of both
lines of scrimmage and control of the entire complexion of this game
was awesome. 

Truly one of the great upsets of all time.  Although #2 has beaten
#1 in bowl games in other years, the margin has never been more
than 7 points.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:27:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.194242.20853@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) wrote:
> 
> Beware! Big Brother Chris is watching you.
> Thought the Netnewsers might be interested in this:
> 
> Because of some rather nasty things said about Cooper's 
> coaching tactics, I have, via private email, been threatened by Chris 
> Stassen with stuff like
> 
>  "I have forwarded your postings to John Cooper. It will be interesting
>   to see his reaction. It may even be grounds for legal action.
>  
>                                                    Chris Stassen"

If that's a threat, I don't see it. Afraid to stand behind your words?
Or do you do your best talking behind people's backs?

> Worse yet, he even told his big sister, the attorney, on me!
> 
> That's real Fascist of you Chris. You see something you don't like about
> your favorite coach and you start playing electronic snitch. You're a
> swell guy. You must be proud. Burned any books you don't like lately?
> Ever read the first amendment?

The first amendment only protects *certain* forms of speach. Fighting
words, defamation of character and libel are NOT protected. Make sure
you can back up what you say, or make it clear it's opinion.

ObCollegeFootball...USMissippi in the SWC...intruiging idea...

James
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:48:20 GMT

In article <79116@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (Bin Chen)
wrote:

> But can you blame them?  After almost a month of posts from Miami
> fans saying how they were going to blow us out, shred our defense,
> stuff our offense, etc.  Turnabout is fair play.  a little trash 
> talk isn't going to hurt anyone.

I see. I thought the Bama posters would have more *class* than the
Miami posters and not talk trash. I must have been mistaken. From
here, I can't tell the difference between the two anymore. 

A shame.

James
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Who am I?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 21:11:16 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  I'm the only coach in history to go straight 
  from the White House to the outhouse!

  Who am I?

  email for the answer!

  bill

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Home field advantage (was Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan)
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:21:03 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) wrote:

}Is this really true?  RFK is considered a tough place for opposing teams to
}play, and I don't think the above three reasons are the main reasons.  

I don't follow pro ball and it is quite possible that the home field
works differently in pro ball.  However, RFK may be "considered" a
tough place to play without actually being one, or it may simply be
that the Redskins are usually a good team.  The best approach to 
answering this question would be to look at the results of the
Redskins games the last 10 or 20 years and see how teams performed
there and at their home stadia, then see if the differences in performance
correlate well with turf variation, temperture variation, time variation,
or noise variation.  Since the crowd noise was probably not measured,
however, this may not be easy.  

Think about it, though - the only real effects I can see from crowd
noise are (1) psychological effects and (2) signal calling interference.
Both of these are pretty secondary effects.

}                                                                       I find
}it hard to believe that a home crowd is a negligible advantage, especially if
}the visiting team is an audibling team playing in a dome.

Maybe it's not negligible, but I haven't seen anything systematic that
shows that it is a significant factor.  Until I do I'll be skeptical.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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