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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Loose dogs
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:51:44 GMT

In article <shari.727547712@rlxdev> shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard) writes:

= space around the dog mansion (:->) with some 4 ft tall chainlink or wire
= fencing, you would solve two problems: 1.  the dog would no longer get
= tangled in his line, and 2.  it would protect the dog and his belongings
= from the other animals.

I believe that 6-foot chainlink is only a little more expensive and
then one could put a top on it and still be able to stand up to
clean inside.  Or, 4-foot chainlink on top of a 2-foot solid wall.

= Besides, it doesn't have to be an eyesore.  Some
= nice plantings around the border of it would make it look more appealing
= and give the dog some privacy as well.

But do remember that the dog(s) will almost certainly kill all or
most of the grass inside if they spend much time there.  And don't
forget that they will need some exercize in addition to the little
that they will do while confined.

If you go this route, consider making (or having made) panels with
frames of top-rail with chainlink fabric stretched on them.  The
panels can be clamped together (they make fittings to do so) and if
you ever need to move it, you can disassemble it and move it more
easily but don't make the panels too big.  Depending on how elaborate
you become, it may be as cheap to buy a commercial run :) if you can
find one that fits your needs.



-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Keywords: Neuter
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:45:34 GMT

In <rec.pets.dogs> me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.074302.1259@lth.se> dag@bellman.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>>
>>For those of us who take care of our dogs and don't allow them to run
>>out of control, castration is not necessary.
>
>.... Only takes one escape incident to end up with 
>an unwanted pregnancy.  Don't be lazy or over-confident.

I couldn't agree more!  If you think you're lazy or over-confident
(for example, do you think you can recall a bitch on heat?), you
should by all means have your dog "fixed."

As a side not, I amazed how many parents let their toddlers walk next
to a busy road without holding their hands.  In many cases dog owners
seem more responsible.

			-- Dag
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From: dmiller@netcom.com (Doug Miller)
Subject: Advice on Springers
Followup-To: none
Summary: advice on selection
Keywords: spaniels
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:15:40 GMT

I had a golden for many years that I got as a puppy, but I have no
experience with Springers, and my parents want one, and my sister
(who has no dog experience) and I want to get them one.

My sister has located a breeder in Lima Ohio who has an 8 month old
female and a new litter of 4 weeks.  We have to acquire the puppy in
Ohio in order to get it (easily) to our parents, so I wouldn't get
a chance to see it or speak with the breeder.  And just to make it
harder we have a small time window.

So I'd very much appreciate any information, especially cautions
on this breed, and any advice on whether the older puppy would be
better/worse than the younger ones, esp. for a older couple; it sounds
like the 8 month old has reasonable, but not great training, but it
is crate-trained and my parents travel by car a lot, so this sounds
attractive to me.  The 8 month old has "heavy" front legs which
the breeder told my sister was deliberate being added to this line
(which sounds, although I haven't seen papers yet, to be excellent) -
is this really good?

Anyway, any help you can provide would be very helpful.



-- 
Doug Miller, Los Altos, CA
<dmiller@netcom.com>, <dgmno1@aol.com>

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From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews)
Subject: Re: Older dog training
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:29:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.213722.8749@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu writes:
>Does anyone have any good references/suffestions on training older dogs?  Most
>of what I've found only deal with puppies and don't give any special
>attention to older dogs.  Or is training an older dog basically the same?
>
>---
>John Hopper   	Lamont-O-Sphere II "Keeping what matters out of sight."
>	      	PHONE:  914-365-8627
>	    	FAX:    914-365-0718
>        	EMAIL:  jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
>
You can teach an old dog new tricks.

I got my bulldog when she was 5 years old and had little trouble getting
her to live by my rules.  The lady who broght her to me (the previous owners
employee who adopted her temporarily) told me that she would not walk on a
leash.  I immeediately drove the dog to a pet store to get a collar and
leash to fit.  She sat down and refused to budge until I carried her or
removed the leash.  Sok.   I waited until the next moring when she wanted
to go out.  I attached the leash so she had the choice of not going outside
or going outside on leash.  She saw it my way.  End of problem.

She also tested me to see how much she could get away with.  I found "tinkle"
near her water dish.   Then one evening I caught her in mid-squat after
drinking a ton of water and gave her a smack.  End of problem.

The dog never loses its intelligence and abilty to learn.  Just be consistent
and firm.  I use a high voice for praise and a low voice for reprimands.  
Give lots of love always and enjoy the suprises and delights the dog brings.

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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mandrews@hq.videocart.com                      Chicago, IL USA 
=-=- Madonna:  Andy Warhol called. Your 15 minutes are up.-=-=
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From: twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace)
Subject: Re: kill files
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:39:47 GMT

I have seen kill files mentioned quite a bit on these
newsgroups. Can someone show me how a kill file works? Is it
separate or is it part of .newsrc? (I am on an Ultrix system.)
Thanks for your help.
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Leaking Dog, Piddle Pants
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:53:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24717
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ


My Dobie has a leak that doesn't respond to DES or phenlypropylanalomine (sp?)
and so far I've had good luck with piddle pants, from RC Steele's RETAIL
catalog.

It's a pair of pants with a strap that goes around the front of the chest,
and velcro fastenings.  Keeping the pants on was always the trouble.

I had to do some sewing to extend the straps which even for size XXL
were about 5" too short for my Dobie, and put another cross strap over
the back so the strap didn't ride down over the front legs; also I think
it would always be necessary to add a hook and eye fastening at the front
because the velcro surely wouldn't hold (those pants really want to slide
off, propelled by the direction of the fur I think).

I put a couple cotton diapers folded up in ninths in them, and the
arrangement works very nicely so far.

RC Steele catalog number is #G38-0314, and I paid $11.49 for XXL
with a $50.00 minimum order, much less than the price listed ($22.49),
so ask for the discount I guess.

There's pink for girls and blue denim for boys.  The phone person
said there's no other difference, but I suspect she was wrong about that.

They're not in the ``wholesale'' RC Steele catalog for some reason,
but you can order them nevertheless.
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:39:20 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

>
>No, you can't compete in the AKC shows, but AMBOR dogs are eliglible for
>some of the national competitions.  One of the dog magazines has an article on
>this in the current issue.  The article is about Maxwell's Second Chance who
>finished tenth in the competition this year.  
>

Max belongs to MY dog training club!  Or maybe I should say *I* belong to
HIS, he's certainly brought more glory to it than I ever will!  :-)






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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: slippery stairs & long toenails
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:59:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.033831.17023@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> u2zj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Stanton) writes:
= 
= So if you're teaching a long-toed dog to go up and down
= stairs, you might want to make sure its nails are trimmed.

Most of you probably already know, but for any who don't:  Allowing
dogs' toe nails to become too long is also a potential hazard.  The
can snag in things and literally be ripped off exposing *all* of
the quick.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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From: traine@peaks.fsl.noaa.gov (Tracy Smith)
Subject: choke chains
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:18:19 GMT

In training my two dogs, one (a female Elkhound/Heeler mix) needed only a 
leather collar and lead, while the other (male Elkhound) became much more
responsive when I switched to the live ring on the choke chain.  Different
animals respond differently to training methods, and the type of collar reflects
that.  A collar is not the problem, the way someone (mis)uses it is.  I have seen
good results with pinch collars as well (the Malamute was 150lb, the owner,
90lbs).  So, see how your dog responds, and start with the least impact and
workup to what the dog requires.  You don't want the dog to choke to death, but
you do want to get his/her attention!

             Tracy Lorraine Smith   Mom to Mink, Ernie, and Sam (a horse)
Keywords:
From: nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy Little)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Carnation home delivery (was Problems with Pro Plan Turkey?)
Keywords: Pro Plan, food, Carnation
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: MAKE_ADDRESS(USER,ems.cdc.com)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <C1BCGu.FGD@portal.hq.videocart.com>, mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews) writes:
|> 
|> Now that I read here that the lamb/rice formulas can be bad I'm thinking
|> of trying the feed that Carnation sends by home delivery. Anybody have
|> any experience with the Carnation plan and their 800 phone number?
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
|> Mike Andrews                                   VideOcart, Inc.
|> mandrews@hq.videocart.com                      Chicago, IL USA 
|> =-=- Madonna:  Andy Warhol called. Your 15 minutes are up.-=-=

I've had my dogs on Nutra Max Lamb and Rice with extremely good
results.  I wouldn't be so quick to judge all lamb and rice foods
as being bad.  Just because a few dogs do poorly on a food doesn't
mean that it isn't good.  Many dogs have allergies to ingredients
in certain dog foods (i.e. wheat, corn, etc).  If you are happy
with the way your dog looks and eats, there's probably no need to
change foods.

Nancy Gagliardi Little                    nancyl@ems.cdc.com

Home of:
    Am/Can O.T.Ch. Bergman Blacky WCX (Damien - Labrador) 
    O.T.Ch. Tystar Cruise Control TDI HC, Can CD (Cruiser - Border Collie)
    Heelalong Sharp As A Tack UD (Tack - Border Collie)
    Maggie UD (Labrador)
From: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: The Biggest West Coast Dog Show, Feb. 6 & 7
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:56:30 GMT
Reply-To: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

The biggest and best dog show on the west coast occurs each year
at the Cow Palace in south San Francisco.

The date this year is February 6 & 7

It is open from 9-5 each day, and is very well attended.
It is a BENCHED SHOW, which means that all dogs that are entered
will be present and on public display for the whole weekend.
When not actually in the ring, they are in booths with their
owners who pass out flyers and answer questions.

One can expect to see multiple examples of most breeds (AKC),
and whole flocks of the most popular ones.

A huge range of pet paraphenalia is also on display for sale,
from trainers to medicine to food to books to personalized doggie
bibs. Last year Vickie Hearn was there to sign books and lobby
against breed-specific discrimination in legislation.

It's crowded but worth it. Parking is ~$4, entry ~$5. I stay about
5 hours and end up having gotten aquainted with 15 breeders and
25 dogs.

Small kids may be intimidated by the dense crowds in the exhibit halls.
No non-show dogs allowed. The main show arena is where the competition
is, and is usually quiet with lots of empty space. Only competition
people seem to watch, and usually only the ones interested in the
two or three breeds that are being shown at any given time.

--
Joe Weinstein   joe@sybase.com   Sybase 1650 65th st.  Emeryville Ca 94608

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From: dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: fencing
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:07:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.

Hi all!

I know there has been some discussion already in this group
about fencing, but I missed some of the posts.

I am planning to fence in my back yard with chain link fence.
I've been calling some local fencing places for price estimates.
During my last call, I was told there were "thousands" of types
of chain link.  I asked him if he could recommend a type to
use to fence in a yard for a dog.  He replied with "you're
opening up yourself to a lot of bullshit with that question -
get educated." (he was pretty rude about the whole thing).

Anyway, I started making more calls, and so far the recommendation
is for a fused vinyl chain link - the fused vinyl keeps the dog
from chewing directly on the chain, but cannot be chewed off.  
He said it would cost about $20/foot installed.

Does anyone have any specific recommendations for types of chain 
link to use?  Does this fused vinyl sound like the best bet?
Or is there a book or faq list which covers this topic?
I have time to do my homework before I need the fence, so
I'm going to do try to learn more about this.

If you have suggestions, please post or email to me at
   dorff@ma30.bull.com

Thanks for your help!  Sorry if this has already been discussed
on the net.

(By the way, I will need 170' of fence with 2 3' gates.
 The fence will probably have to be 5' tall).

Thanks!

-Lauri
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:11:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Dog who dig
Comment-To: Paul_Hunter@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  I think it is by far more practical to provide a dog run for a hard
core digger.  Stick a sandbox into the run with the dog, let it dig to
it's heart
's content, and get on with your own life (or get one).
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
From: lauraw@meaddata.com (Laura Wanke)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Keeshound
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:35:19 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: medusa.meaddata.com
Keywords: Keeshound

I have a friend who would like to get a Keeshound but she is currently
having trouble finding a breeder in Ohio.  If anybody knows of one
please e-mail the details and I'll pass it on to my friend.

Thanks!
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog moves to Colorado, has problems, HELP!
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:55:04 GMT
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Comment-To: Jennifer_Longstaff@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04


  I think the diarrhea was caused by the different water in your area.
 It was also stressful for the dog to be flown around the country and
having a new caretaker.
  You were right to put the food container away where she couldn't
reach it.  You have the dog's airline crate, right?  If you put her in
the crate at night, she will wait 'til morning to relieve herself. 
Dogs generally won't "go" where they sleep.
  I wouldn't worry too  much about small nicks in the paw pads.  You
are right when you guessed it was the ice she was running around on
that cut her slighty.  She enjoys her games so much, she probably
doesn't notice the nicks.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: docking
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:44:06 GMT

> In article <1993Jan21.154528.13379@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:
>>
>>What are the justifications (historical, aesthetic, medical) for
>>docking?
>>
I was wondering about cutting ears?  I think that in some breeds, it is 
aesthetics; in some (protection, baiting breeds) it's like another poster 
mentioned - providing fewer "handles" for attackers.  But a friend of mine
had standard schnauzers, and she didn't have thier ears bobbed.  The dogs were
cute, but had a lot of problems with ear infections because very little air got
in, and the ear canals were too moist.  Later in life, one of the dogs had a
big problem with some kind of blood-filled cysts in the ends of the ears.
Her vet said that because the ear fell over and made a crease, it caused a
problem with the local blood circulation. 
   So, I wonder if some of the ear-cutting has to do with early breeders not
selecting for healthy ears?
   I'd very much like to get a doberman at some point, and if it's up to me,
I'd just as soon not cut the ears, unless it will make problems later in life.
So - Does anyone KNOW anything about it, or is it all tradition and speculation?

Thanks - Rosalie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: trb@cbnews.cb.att.com (tom.balent)
Subject: Re: docking
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:27:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.154528.13379@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:
>
>What are the justifications (historical, aesthetic, medical) for
>docking?
>

I think it is human aesthetics, it doesn't do a damn thing for the dog.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re:  Vegie eating pup
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:35:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.204421.3194@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> moreland@gizmo.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Moreland) writes:
>In article <1jk7vcINNdf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>Our new GP puppy likes oranges too.  I have not found anything that
>she just doesn't go for. :-)
>

I had thought that about Beamer too.  He would eat mushrooms (even I don't
eat those fungi) and jalepenos peppers and anything until he met the terrible
lemon.  After begging for one after it was squeezed into a glass of tea he got
a wiff and a squirt down the throat and he won't come near one now.  Oh well
no lemon scent dog for us :-)

Mike
.

-- 
| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: dogs and mortgages
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:10:41 GMT


We got our black Lab in December of 1991, and finished grad
school in May of 1992.  My now-husband and I were living
in a duplex with a yard (not fenced), and we found that 
having a puppy (especially a large one...) was very difficult
but not impossible to deal with.  If you have enough time
and energy to provide a dog with sufficient attention and
exercise, it really doesn't matter where you live (in my
opinion).  We now have a house with a fenced yard, and it
is much easier to just let the dogs out rather than take
them for a walk.  Right now the weather is restricting our
walks, but we do have to try harder to remember to walk
the dogs (once the snow and ice melts) because we can just let 
them out in the backyard.  If you really want a dog and
are willing to do your best to make it happy in an apartment,
I don's see any problems.


Jamie

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From: colwell@torolab.ibm.com ()
Subject: Recipes for Dals
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:08:53 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Does anyone have some recipes appropriate for Dalmations?

Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanx.

--

Mark A. Colwell            Toronto              Canada

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