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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: Re: HAIL THE BROWNS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:23:22 GMT

>In article <dn2001-131092152526@m248-103.bgsu.edu>, dn2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Dan Nolan) writes...
>
>>THE BROWNS RULE!!!!!!!!!!
>> 
>>THAT'S ALL AND NOTHING ELSE.
>> 
>>GREENBAY DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST US.
>

	I am a DIEHARD Browns fan, but with the draft, and after Buffalo, and
Philly losing last week, for the most part it's a crap shoot every week! Yes,
I would like to see the DAWGS pull this one out, but you never know!!

- Dan
From: rhoenes@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Richard Hoenes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules Question??
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:06:47 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Kalle Kivimaa (killer@robin.cs.hut.fi) wrote:
: In <69614@hydra.gatech.EDU> vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart) writes:
: >Actually, logically, possession changes when the receiving team gains posession
: >and/or the kick ends.
: 
: The status of the ball during a scrimmage kick down:
: 
: a) From the snap to the instant the ball is kicked:
:    Team A has posession.
: 
: b) From the instant the ball is kicked until the ball is touched
:    by team B:  The ball is loose in posession of team A.
: 
: c) From the instant the ball is caught by team B till the down ends
:    (or team B fumbles):  Team B has posession.
: 
: d) If team B muffs the ball:  The ball is still loose in posession
:    of team A!
: 
: Remember, muff implies no posession, fumble is always preceded with
: posession.
: --
: ************************************************************************
: * The night sky over the planet Krikkit is the least interesting sight *
: * in the entire Universe.  -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                     *
: ************************************************************************

Ok, now define muff. To me it makes no sense that if the ball hits you
in the hands and you don't catch it, you retain possession; but if the
ball hits you someplace else like your foot, or in the back when you
are trying to avoid the ball, the ball is up for grabs.

Richard
From: eagan@granite.ma30.bull.com (Timothy M. Eagan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Two Different Games Eagles/Cowboys
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:45:38 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.

1) Philly dominated the game.

2) Philly scares me.

3) Dallas doesn't.

4) Philly and under, good thing Dallas missed the field goal.

5) The Dallas quarterback must really ache man.

-- 
Tim Eagan			"Here's to the charmer
508-294-2095			 whose dimples we prize."
ISO9001 Expert			 Richard Brinsley Sheridan 1751-1816
Future SEI Expert
From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Post game *POWER* notes
Keywords: Cowboys
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:58:24 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx




        It was a good game for the D.  Tolbert and Jeffcoat had 2 sacks
a piece.  RJones play well.  He put the HURT on McGuire (sp?) on an
inside blitz. McG didn't return.   The total offense allowed set a team
record (i can't remember the exact numbers but it was like 40yds rushing
30 passing).
     At least 7 sacks, one INT, and a couple of recovered fumbles...
            WAY TO GO D.

     MIrvin, ESmith, KMART, and O-line all had good games.  No TDs for
Troy, but two INTs.  His rating will drop again, but he still had a 
pretty good game.    The offense failed to score in the second half. 
More of a result of conservative play calling than anything else, but
I mean this was SEATTLE...you know?

        I thought the coaching staff made some bad decisions.  Elliot
shouldn't have been sent in for that last, meaningless  FG attempt.  He
should have made it...But his confidence was up after making a 31- and 
51-yarder. Why risk bringing up more speculation by the media at this
point?  Not a critical decision...but not a great one either.  They
also tried to go for the big play too often, once resulting in an Aikman
INT.  But what the heck, they were way ahead.  Last criticism (I promise),
they got too conservative in the 4th quarter.  I would have liked Beuerlein
to get more reps, along with Silk.  


Injuries:  Hellestrae has contusion of the back.  Bates has knee problems.
           Both are day-to-day.  More will be known tomorrow.


Notes from post-game show:
     AMTRAK (RBlake) is eligible to come off IR this week, but don't 
     count on it.  He discovered a thyroid problem that has sped up
     his metabolism.  Last year, in top shape, he weighed in at 235.
     He now weighs about 215 and is not quite the punishing runner 
     of last year.  Curvin's not eligible either. So, barring last
     minute trades...Emmitt's all we got (but that's alot!)

     If ((ACE == trade_bait) && (NBELL == trade_bait))
         swap(ACE,NBELL)
     else
        if ((ACE == trade_bait) && (OKOYE == trade_bait))
          swap(ACE,OKOYE);
               


-- 
The small victories * the cankers and medallions *         | Pat Power
The little nothings * they keep me thinking that someday * | My opinions only
I might beat you * But I'll just keep my mouth shut *      |
       - Faith No More, "A Small Victory"                  | Da Boyz are back!!
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on yesterday's games
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:10:45 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Oct14.022638.11880@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.005023.22133@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>In article <27000119@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> divitt@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Divitt) writes:
>>>
>>>>Even as a 49er fan, I still have to admit that Randall is probably a
>>>>better overall quarterback. But no QB is better at running the ball
>>>>than Steve Young. He may be the best running quarterback of all time.
>>>
>
>I have to agree with John here. Young is much better at eluding tacklers
>than Cunningham; he truly is a magician at it. Cunningham is probably
>stronger than Young, which closes the gap a little bit, but overall Young
>is much more dangerous in the open field. And, he is smarter, too. I
>can't think of too many times where I've seen Young decide to run and
>*NOT* accomplish what he expected to do, which is usually to pick up
>a first down. Rarely does his decision to tuck it in and run with it
>backfire.
>

True, I agree that Young is probably a better runner. But, I have to admit,
I sure love the way Cunningham cartwheels when he gets hit during his runs.
Young just kind of puts his head down and tries to bowl his way through, or
nowadays, he sometimes slides. But Cunningham seems to love being hit low
and tumbling through the air. Looks pretty cool!

Tom Wolf
From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:07:11 GMT


  Why is it that when a team gets it's act together, gets better
players and starts competeing, the fans of it's opponents claim
it gets luckier ? 

          jon
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:01:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct15.220119.1049
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <5501@cvl.umd.edu> kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu (Kenneth W. Crist Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.140324.8731@seq.uncwil.edu>, rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:

	[ ... ]

>> Your Giants got beat in the highest scoring NFL game of all time 72-41
>> in NY by the 'Skins on Nov 27 1966.

	[ ... ]

>> The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
>> in a single game by any team in NFL history.
>
>	This is a mistake. The Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0
>in the 1940 NFL Championship game.

If the 73-0 score was in a playoff, it wouldn't be a regular-season
record, now would it?  So the record may well be 72 points.

-- 
	Don't waste your time waving your hands
	and hoping when a rock or a club will do.

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: chf0@roger.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:58:05 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1992Oct8.162506.18073@ntmtv> weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP writes:
>In article <Bvs8u8.JxI@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>Here is the Miami Dolphin schedule. Along side each game a have placed a number.
>>1 - should have no problem winning, 2 - should win/could be close,
>>D 14 LA Raiders       (1) 
>
>   The Raiders on Monday night and Miami is going to win with no
>problems? I don't think so.  

I do 8-)

>The Raiders have the Dolphins number.
>I cannot remember when the last time that the Dolphins beat the
>Raiders in regular season.  

I'm glad you asked - it was in 1988 when the Raiders lost to the
Dolphins in LA by a score of 24-14.

Curt
--
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
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From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: How to beat the Bills?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.160324.52273@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.162751.7685@spuddy.uucp> markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge) writes:
>>
		<Stuff deleted>

There's only one true way to beat the Bills. It has been tested twice before
in the recent past. Play them in the Superbowl!!!!!

De Vaughn
 Delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu
From: cs225a35@ih-nxt08.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL STATS
Keywords: NFL STATS
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:32:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2ou7.50F
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I was wondering if anyone knows how I can access some up-to-date  
statistics for all of the NFL teams.  If so, please mail me at  
mbb57359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

or

cs225a35@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu

Thanks,
  Your fellow NFL fan
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: What the fuck is the Bills problem?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:57:11 GMT


In article <1687E9004.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom
Steegmann) writes:
> 
>      Thankfully, I was stuck in my office all day yesterday and didnt get
>to see the Bills get thier asses kicked AGAIN.  I thought that the Raiders
>were a better team than thier record indicated, but the Bills have more
>or less owned them in recent memory (at least 4 years, right?).  Those
>of you that saw the game, what happened? What is going on? 13 measly
>shitty points in 2 games?  They must be on crack or something. 

Well, I think God's wrath has been kindled by TEGGER's obnoxious behavior
(both at Rich Stadium and on USENET), and the Good Lord is going to take it
out on the one thing near and dear to TEGGER's heart: the Bills.

Repent and change your ways TEGGER, or it could be a long season for those
Bills........

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES BEAT THE COWPUSSIES AND THATS ALL TO SAY..EXCEPT PREDICTIONS
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: monarch.2893
Distribution: usa
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
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Aaron B. Perkins (aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu) wrote:
: 
[much yelling deleted]

: SO HERE ARE THIS WEEKS PREDICTIONS OF THE K.C. GAME.......
:                                 EAGLES 27
:                                 K.C.   10
: 
:                     GOOD GAME (BETTER THAN THE COWPUSSIES EMBARESMENT)
: 
: EAGLES WILL FINISH THE SEASON 16-0 AND WILL WIN THE SUPER BOWL

<snicker> <chortle> <snicke.....>

Bwahahahahahaha.


Merf
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - 1st qtr review - Steeler preview
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:33:48 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct12.195249.3023@odin.corp.sgi.com>, dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness) writes:
> I
> |> >   Final score: Pitts - 17  Cleveland - 20 on a last second Stover field goal.
> |> >
> |> (Pages and pages of mindless ramblings and crap about the browns deleted.)
> |> 
> |> Why don't you smell what you're shoveling.  The browns don't stand a chance
> |> against the STEELERS.  To paraphrase Dave:
> |> 
> |>  "The Steelers are going to chew them up and shit them out browner than their
> |>  name suggests."
> |
> Guess the steelers had a bad case of constipation on Sunday...or was it hemorrhoids...?
> 
> Dick Harkness

	Desoite dropping to 3-2, I still consider the Steelers a STRONG
contender for the AFC Central crown.  They have a strong Running game, finally
got rid of Bubby Brister, and a Defense that, if nothing else is opportunistic.
If they find a passrush, or way to stop the run, the defense could surprise,
and O'Donnell, young as he is, might have what it takes to get this team into
the playoffs.
	-Skins fan that has just one thing to say: "WAY TO GO MONK!!!"
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From: bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: More Bermanisms...
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:25:31 GMT

In article <seoWfze00Voj00vZUO@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Previous list from r.s.f.p.: 
>
 (deleted)

Thought I'd toss in some for the Pats:

Hugh "thanks a" Millen
Irving "deep" Fryar
Leonard "whaddya call a guy with no arms & legs in a pile of leaves" Russell
Eugene "who flung" Chung

Bruce "not-a-bill" Smith


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From: kinosr@rs6109.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita)
Subject: Re: KC-Phil game:rule question
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:57:09 GMT

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:


>During the KC-Phil game, KC was punting.  A KC coverage guy(Thompson?)
>ran into the Phil punt returner.  Flag thrown.  Upon refs discussion
>the coverage man was pushed into the returner, no flag.  But shouldn't
>that have meant the coverage man was pushed from behind?  Therefore,
>a penalty?  Or, since there was no flag, then shouldn't the ball have
>been downed where it stopped(or is it that the ref whistled the play
>after the returner was hit?)?

As an Eagles fan, I call that play as a BIG break for the Eagles!  You
are right (and the announcers and I also agree) that the coverage guy
was pushed from behind by an Eagle.  That should have been a penalty
on the Eagles at the spot of the foul (15 yards and a first down).

That would have added insult to injury.  The Eagles lost anyway so
it didn't make any difference.  Damn it!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Roy K. Kinoshita                                   kinosr@rpi.edu
     Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

  "What fun is it being 'cool' if you can't wear a sombrero?"    --Hobbes
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Final Analysis of 4 QBs
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:17:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.052407.6777@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

> Patriots vs Niners: I saw this game.
> 
> Pretty sloppy playing by the Niners to start off the game.
> However, they gathered their composure. The Niners defense
> really racked/sacked Millen.  I don't see how this guy was
> still standing, damn! Watters proved his worth again.
> Doesn't he remind you of Roger Craig? With Watters slicing
> and running head on into the Patriots, he definitely
> established himself in this game. Young, as usual, did
> his scrambling and came through when needed. Young certainly
> looked like shit in the beginning though. So does this
> prove Young is a better QB than Kelly & Cunningham? Perhaps
> not, but by using his skills the best, and utilizing his
> offensive weapons the best, he was the better QB on this Sunday.
> 
>   ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>   Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
>   of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
> 

I agree...Watters is looking alot like Roger Craig, and is a definate plus to
an offense that relies heavily on the pass.  However, I disagree with your
assessment of Young looking like shit early on.  He made a bad pass or two, but
that happens...after all, he's not Joe Montana :->  And that pass into the
endzone in the fourth was fantastic!  Running right, throwing left, threading
the needle...awesome!!!

Chris S.

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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: Giants/Phoenix 1:PM Meadowlands
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:21:07 GMT

In article <56436@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
>Subject: Re: Giants/Phoenix 1:PM Meadowlands
>Date: 8 Oct 92 19:06:08 GMT

>In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.57.718567729@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) writes:
>>Well, I just scored a tix to the Sunday 1:PM Giants game...
>>
>>So I really dont pay much attention to Phoenix (does anyone?) so can any 
>>Phoenix fans give me some predictions on what to look for?


>Of course someone pays attention to Phoenix. The Cards are not as bad as
>their record, but not as good a win over the Redskins would make you think.

>If the Giants can run the ball, they will win. If they cannot they might
>lose. The Redskins were not able to dominate the game on the ground, they
>had a big lead, but they were unable to just grind it out on the ground,
>and Rypien made two bad throws and turned the game around.

>If the giants secondary is as bad as some of the Giants posters have
>suggested, the Cards could do some damage. Chandler is plaing very well
>(he is probably going to be in his 3rd QB controversy when Rosenbach
>comes back), and Proehl, Jones and Hill are 3 quality receivers.

The secondary was using a "soft zone" which cost us the first 2 games  
(easily the one with Dallas).  This has changed somewhat...

>If the Cards run the ball well, they play well. Johnson will get more work
>this week, so the running game should be better.

>Should be a close game, I am actually glad it will be Hostetler over
>Simms, the Cards do not have a great pass rush so escapability is less
>important against them, pocket passing is more valuable, and Simms
>is better at that IMHO.

Where did you get this info.  I read locally Simms was the man for the 
season unless an injury stops him....

Hmmmmmmmmmm... Well see ya'll at E.Rutherford NJ

Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Origin of "Toast"?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:05:35
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu's message of 16 Oct 92 07:14:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.001425.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
=>It now seems that there are 5 or 6 NFL DBs with the dubious nickname
=>of "Toast."  Among them are Tim McKyer, Izell Jenkins, Issaic Holt, and
=>a couple others.  The name is so commonplace, it's not even funny.
=>
=>When did this nickname really get popularized?  Elvis Patterson was a
=>famous NY Giants DB, but I can't recall anyone before him being tagged
=>with the name "Toast," at least on national TV.  Is it typical NFL
=>camp coach talk?

Nah, nothing so complicated.  These DBs are nicknamed "Toast" because
they get burnt so often.  Patterson is a great special teams player,
but opposing receivers were always able to get behind him for a
(relatively) easy reception.

ethan
--
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
ethan miller--cs grad student   | "Anybody not wearing 2000000 sunblock's
elm@cs.berkeley.edu             |  gonna have a REALLY bad day.  GET IT?"
#include <std/disclaimer.h>     |  -- Sarah Connor, _Terminator 2_
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe Gibbs/ Redskins win SB XXIX
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:14:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct8.181456.23984
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct8.171613.2004@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>>But the big question
>>still is unanswered: QUOTE "why is it that coach Joe Gibbs can build SB
>>teams in somehting like 4 year intervals, but not a repeating team?"  
There is a little catch here. In 1983, Gibbs brought the Skins back to
the SB again, only to be thrashed by the Raiders. However, besides the
89 49ers, that's the closest for a champion to repeat in the past decade
or so, i.e. the only other time that the defending champs getting back to 
The Show.  And the 1983 Redskins were no slouch.

>Well, then the question is: Why is it that Gibbs can't do what
>Lombardi, Shula, Noll and (ack, pfft) Seifert did, i.e., overcome the
>egos of the players and make them focus on repeating?
Lombardi, Shula and Noll were in a different era, i.e. not an era of holdout
for million $$$$ contracts. Seifert was in a different situation, he wasn't
the repeating coach. Had Walsh stayed as coach, the players wouldn't have
had the "we can win without Walsh" mentality. Who knows what's going
to happen?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Super Bowl as Alpha and Omega, again (was Re: Eagles : YIKES!)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:46:03 GMT

jg> John P. Gloria

jg> All you guys harp on what their current standings are, etc., etc., and
    state that the SB is only one game and that it shouldn't be a barometer to
    measure a teams greatness. Sorry, but I must be the lone advocate on my
    viewpoint that the SB is the only measurement. Sorry, excuses about tipped
    passes or "could/should haves" and winnning more games in the regular
    season or more comebacks will not buy a SB ring.

  No-one has said any different.

  Let me point out that the SB is dependent on regular-season games, and play-
  off games, and tipped passes/comebacks during those games. The reverse is
  not true. The SB has a place in judging a team's greatness. It does not do
  so well as the *sole* metric for judging a team's greatness. There have been
  lots of good teams who have never played in an SB. Namely, any team before
  1966. 

  Of course, I wouldn't expect a Forty-Whiner fan to understand. Living off
  *past* glory makes it easier to rationalize away the 49ers poorer perform-
  ance of the last couple of seasons. Just as Packer fans, Dolphin fans, Cow-
  boys fans, and Steeler fans have learned, a team cannot be "the Greatest" 
  forever. However, John just doesn't seem to realize that.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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