From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Why I hate Sinead
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:27:21 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <BxFrJ2.JqE@acsu.buffalo.edu> feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit) writes:

>I wasn't going to post but I wanted to respnd to the letter below.  I
>*like* Sinead politically.  I like what she did on SNL.  It also seems
>clear that she has issues with the church and they have fucked many
>people for many years for much profit. Furthermore, *their* ideal is to
>take it sufferingly, for the rewards in the next life.  Extrapolating
>from this: since suffering one's oppression patiently rather than
>challenging them does not lead to a reduction in these oppressive
>forces, then the pope (and pope's before him) has been personally
>responsible for many many many people's suffering...  The church, for
>example, were responsible for several hundreds of years of anti-semitism
>in Europe, culminating more recently in the treatment of Jews during the
>Holocaust. And no, I don't consider this far-fetched...

Fine.  What you say above has merit, but it doesn't detract from the point
that Sinead is filled more with knee-jerk hatred than any TRUE political
motive.  Her hate overwhelms any message she may try to convey, and for
that reason -I- can't stand her.  Sure the Catholic church is screwed up. 
Nobody said it wasn't.  But Sinead is no better/worse.  She is unstable,
and acts like a child.  One interviewer (with Rolling Stone I believe)
compared her whole attitude to that of a naive 15 year old, who has just
LEARNED about the harsh realities of life, but  has NO IDEA what to do.

>Sinead said in a recent press conference that she considers $ the root
>of all evil, and that she'd like to abolish it. Hear, hear!! (and no, I
>doubt she's gonna give hers back to you, as she deserves to live,
>too....  I can already hear the snide cutesy remarks.)

Well here is a snide remark.  If she trult thinks it is the root of all
evil, then why does she SELL everything she puts out.   Please, don't give
me that argument that it costs a lot of money for her to get her message
out.  That's a load of shit.  Ever hear of Fugazi?  They always put on
cheap shows, and sell albums at low prices, and they have a huge following
(albeit not as big as Sinead's)  Sinead is as much of a capitalist as the
people she spits on and makes fun of.  If she wasn't such a hypocrite,
nobody would be jumping all over her ideologies...


>Some of us STILL don't support the last little war (which resulted in
>the death of, oh, a million or more Iraqis). I think wearing a US flag
>*is* similar to wearing SS insignia...  and you're comment about "we

Excuse me, but you are really naive.  I hated the Gulf war.  I hate Nazi'a
also.  Comparing the two is idiotic.  The thing about Hussein that made me
furious about the war was that a-holes like Bush were the one's ARMING
him.  The war was stupid because of this reason (that we were fighting an
enemy that we helped make).  The Nazis, on the other hand, were pure
fucking evil.  They just killed to kill, and wanted to wipe out all those
they saw as weak....  Hussein ain't no angel either.  The major flaw of
the Gulf War is that he is STILL alive. (Don't think that he wouldn't nuke
people if he could).
But this is a major tangent, back to the point.....

>won".  ?!?!?!?!?!?  Oh!!!! I forgot!! That makes OUR side right. So
>that if the Nazis had won, THEY would have been right.  I see. There is no
>morality outside of might...  [didn't Socrates debate this with the Sophists
>2500 years ago? haven't we fucking figured it out by now?]

You are fucked up.  Let me give you a reason WHY the U.S. not as fascist
as you believe.  If I objected to the Nazis, you know what would happen to
mea.  I WOULD BE DEAD (the same goes for countries and governmental
attitudes in Yugoslavia and Iraq)  In the U.S., If I hate the U.S. ..... I
hate the U.S.  I WON'T die and I WON'T become a mysteriously "missing"
person.  As screwed up as the U.S. is, you do have more freedom than many
other countries.  My parents lived through W.W. II and then lived in
Stalinist Russia.  Many friends of mine came to the U.S. for political
freedom (from Odessa and West Indian countries)....
What I am trying to say is that you don't know what freedom is until you
have been truly oppressed and to be as stupid as to assume that you can
actually understand what true oppression, without having really gone
through it is naive and childish (just like Sinead). 

>THAT, my friend, is why the US is disliked. THAT is the attitude which
>is abhorrant to, for example, Sinead (and myself).  (That, to extrapolate
>more, is what's wrong with the current setup of men > women; human > animal;
>adult > children; white > minority,  where ">" is a power relationship.)
>I hate you all
>(not really)

Please spare me with your UnitedStatesisfascistscum rant.  The fact that
you can even voice your opinion is proof that you are tremendously wrong.
Sinead has not been banned from touring the U.S., and her albums are still
available to all those who wish to buy it (NOTE: If those jerks who want
to take her stuff off the shelves succeed, trust me, I will protest their
denial of rights)  Maybe you should join the Peace Corps, and see what
reall horrors are like instead of recanting your politics from musicians
and entertainers.
Frankly, I find it sad that someone with talent like allows her naive
views to overwhelm her as a performer.....
Frankly, I see her whole attitude to be that of a person who thinks being
punk means being blunt, and shocking, and rude.  There is more to being a
punk than combat boots and a weird haircut....


Jack
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