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From: segr@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Read)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Illuminating Fabricant quotation
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:58:24 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <Btp6IA.D0p@math.uwaterloo.ca>, 
mskucherawy@{math,watdragon}.UWaterloo.ca writes:

> If you read through his other letters, you'll notice he doesn't have a
> complete mastery of our language.  Perhaps in saying those things, he
> didn't *intend* to provide any foreshadowing, and so I doubt that we
> should interpret it as such.
>
> Just my opinion...

I assume you mean English by "our language" though in Quebec that may
not be the case of course. Or is that your point? Anyway to mine...

Sadly people who's first tongue is not the local one are very often
misunderstood even if their command of the language is good. Sometimes
their limited vocabulary causes them to use words native speakers regard
as frank and unsubtle, giving the impression of annoyance and anger.
This can be exacerbated when two or more "allophones" (to pull in
another thread) are involved.

Perhaps this contributed to the sad state of affairs at Concordia. In
any case it's always worth bearing in mind with such individuals that
they may not mean some of the things implied and to keep cool.


Simon Read
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Simon.Read@umist.ac.uk
From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan Gilligan 303-497-3861)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Concordia shootings
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:37:06 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Aug26.035456.25427@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> rob@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Robert Robson) writes:
>The tragic events in Montreal point to the incredible pressure
>many academics are under.  Fabrikant made many accusations, which
>unprovable, remind us of things we all have witnessed.  As a
>result, I believe that at least some of his accusations are true.

In recent years there have been more cases of postal workers than
professors going nuts and commiting mass murder. However, I don't
think that this implies that postal workers are under ``incredible
pressure.'' Whether or not Fabrikant's accusations are true, the step
from there to mass murder is so great that he clearly had far graver
problems that having his academic work ripped off and being denied
tenure.

---Jon
-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Fabrikant Concordia killings
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:31:58 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Aug25.010057.7414@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> barry@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Barry G. Adams) writes:
>
> The name of the gunman has been released ( I am watching the
> Canadian news). It is Fabricant.

They release the name of victims too, but they were not the persons
Fabrikant pointed out in his papers.

Obviously, this should be discussed in soc.culture.canada or can.general
(while can.* groups have less coverage than soc.* groups).

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Vient de paraitre : Andre Jarret et ses Ancetres
\_.-===  En vente par l'auteur                      Opinions ? Et pis non !
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Fabrikant did not post to sci.research.careers
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:03:07 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Aug27.220642.25481@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In paper mail, the author of a letter or the author's estate, owns the copyright
>of the letter.  This has torpedoed more than one biographer who wanted to
>print correspondence excerpts.  I don't know if this has been tested in other
>media like email or videos.  I don't know what the Canadian precedent is.

But, thus this account when the email is forwarded to some 30 or 40
other addresses and there is some line indicating that this is just B.LST?
I think in this case, the recipient may assume this is like a public
disclosure.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: schenn@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Lisa Henn)
Subject: Re: Do the police have Fabrikant's postings?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Aug 1992 08:10 EDT  

In article <1992Aug25.212636.6777@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, rjones@z.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes...

>I also wonder whether there would be anything of interest in his computer
>directory..."finger ccyfk56@vax2.concordia.ca" and check the time of
>last login.

Monday, August 24, 1:23 pm EDT. 


Hmmmmm.

But you'd think that if the authorities went into his account, they would 
approach the administrator and they'd go in wiht the Vax equivalent of root.

(Do you need a warrant for that?)

He's been arrested since Saturday, right?

So who else has his password? 

(Or do they have terminals in teh cells? :)

L
From: JRBANGA@poppy.ucdavis.edu (JULIO RODRIGUEZ BANGA)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Wanted: OFFICIAL rules for authorship
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:51:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Aug31.133758.7921@unixg.ubc.ca> keith@msmri.med.ubc.ca writes:

> Does anybody know of any rules and/or guidelines for authorship
> written or endorsed by a recognized organization.  Such organizations
> would include funding agencies, research journals, universities,
> governmental bodies, professional associations or any other
> appropiate bodies.
>
>
> Any information on how the rules and/or guidelines are enforced,
> if at all, would also be appreciated.  If there
> is enough interest I will post a summary of any e-mail I receive.
>
>
> Keith S Cover
> Physics, UBC
> Vancouver, BC
> Canada
> keith@msmri.med.ubc.ca


   I've been reading the Notes for the Authors of several journals, and so far
I've found that the Journal of Food Science, edited by the Institute of Food
Technologists, explicitely says that only those 'who have made significant
contributions' should be listed as authors. 

 The problem again is the concept of 'significant contribution', so this
doesn't help much, does it?

 BTW, I read a few weeks ago a posting about scientists with records of
publications. I think it was an extract from an article in Science or Nature,
and I'm not sure if it was in this list. Could someone send me the reference?

         Julio.
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Concordia shootings
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:54:27 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Aug28.203753.28097@bmerh85.bnr.ca> william@bcarh472.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (William Moss) writes:
>In article <BtpLH3.3xx@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>
>|> with the Polytechnique event.  The only relation is the site (2 universities
>|> in Montreal city).
>That's 4 - Universite' de Montreal, UQAM (Universite' du Quebec a` Montreal),
>           Concordia, and McGill. 

Some nit picking!  The only relation is the site (in both cases, it was
a university in Montreal City).  I was obviously talking about the
Fabrikant and Lepine cases.

>William G. Moss                      disclaimer: not the views of BNR or NT
>Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa  +1 613 763 8108 WILLIAM@BNR.CA  

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Subject: Re: Do the police have Fabrikant's postings?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
	<disaacs.714839851@cunews> <1992Aug26.150049.13307@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
	<1992Aug26.175452.15258@linus.mitre.org>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:37:52 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:54:52 GMT, crawford@church.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) said:
  > Nntp-Posting-Host: church.mitre.org

  > In article <1992Aug26.150049.13307@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, 
  > bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet) writes:
  > >
  > > I am still interested in whether the college is going to
  > > have to answer the charges made by Dr. Fabrikant.  I guess
  > > there is no disagreeing that his actions proved him mad,
  > > but his claims still should be examined.
  >  
  > The charges certainly contributed to his state of mind.  I have to
  > believe that Fabricant's attorney will attempt to validate them, at
  > least to mitigate the act as Fabrikant's reaction to an impossible 
  > situation, thereby reducing his sentence.

Last thing I read is that Fabrikant will defend himself.
Therefore, it is unlikely that what he says will be taken
with any seriousnous. The guy has obviously gone mad (or out
of control if you don't like the use of 'mad').  Somehow I
think the issue of corruption will be quickly forgotten, and
corruption will continue to go on everywhere, even though it
is at the heart of the sad events we witnessed at Concordia.

Already, the media are talking about how he got the guns.
The fact that he used guns is a symptom rather than a
problem. But I'm digressing from the purpose of this group.
--
  ,                          ,                           ,
Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | Tel: (514)340-5950
sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | Fax: (514)340-4078
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence)
Subject: Re: Fabrikant killings: Quest. and thoughts!
Reply-To: alawrenc@sobeco.com
Organization: Lawrence & Assc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:38:32 GMT

In <16279@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.152738.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:

	[discussion of behavour problems deleted...]

>>b) Looking at his credentials as a scientist one wonders why was he
>>denied a tenure?? 

>Maybe because there were behavioral problems detected.

He was never denied tenure.  What was denied was that the time spent
in a non-tenure track position should count towards tenure.

>>Some thoughts:
>>I could never beleive that a person of his calibre would have done
>>something this dangerous with premeditation. Had he thought about
>>it, I beleive, wise counsel would have prevailed.
>>

>Paranoia affects people of all calibre, my friend.  Wise has
>no meaning when it comes to paranoia.  

Since Fabrikant made repeated applications to obtain the gun permit
necessary to purchase a hand-gun in Canada, and since he showed up
carrying not one but three (3) handguns -- with spare clips -- I think
it would be difficult to assume that he didn't have the intention
of shooting someone.

-- 
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From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Wanted: OFFICIAL rules for authorship
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:42:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <16485@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> JRBANGA@poppy.ucdavis.edu (JULIO RODRIGUEZ BANGA) writes:
>
> The problem again is the concept of 'significant contribution', so this
>doesn't help much, does it?


The question them becomes: how significant is the contribution of the
guy who secured the grant/contract that supported the research?

Reality being that it is often *the most important* contribution...
(in the sense that it is the most difficult part of the whole process.)

Luc B
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Please distribute Fabrikant subject into appropriate news groups
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:35:11 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug27.200520.12590@nova.sarnoff.com>, jms@vision.sarnoff.com (Jerry Shapiro x2420) writes:
> In article 20641@nas.nasa.gov, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>While the Fabrikant subject is an interesting one, this group has been set
>>up for "the discussion of careers in scientific resarch."
>>
>>STOP!
>>Take a moment, edit your Subject-lines, your Newsgroups: fields, and Follow-up
>>lines.

[....]

>>Academic?  Make sense?  Got that?  Great.
>>
>>--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov

Who died and made you Elvis?   ;-)

> I disagree. I don't read soc.canada.culture. IMHO this tragic story is
> of interest to *this* group. It started here, it should stay here.
> 
> Jerry Shapiro
> My views only 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mine too.  No other newsgroup that I get is discussing
this.  Under normal circumstances I'd agree with Eugene, but this is
a somewhat exceptional event.  It has provoked a lot of emotions among
the readers of this newsgroup and needs to be dealt with here.

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
 

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From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,alt.grad-student.tenured
Subject: Re: Second Undergraduate Degree, or transitional master's
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: boaz@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <Aug26.205011.59158@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, peterson@CS.ColoState.EDU (james peterson) writes:

|> There are two ways of earning a second bachelor's degree: simultaneously 
|> with the first degree, or after the first degree is earned. In either case,
|> the requirements for a second degree usually consist simply in fulfilling
|> whatever requirements are not covered by work completed for the first degree

Not exactly. In case the two degrees are closely related (e.g., BS in
Electrical Eng. or BS in Computer Eng. in my alma mater), you'll be 
required (for the second degree) to take at least a certain amount of credit 
above what was taken for the first (else I could have gotten two degrees
with the effort of one, provided I picked the appropriate courses).

-- Boaz

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Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Fabrikant
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:33:50 GMT

lseltzer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Linda A. Seltzer) writes:


>One possible subject for discussion in
>this newsgroup is how to maintain our peace of mind and
>centeredness at times when colleageus attempt to harm us
>professionally and isolate us.  

>Obviously, therapy is one answer, altough it is often unavailable
>to graduate students because of the high cost.  Not becoming
>isolated is another answer.  Working off stress with athletics is
>another.  What do others suggest?

There are books available on how to protect yourself from 
backstabbing and unethical power trips in an organizational setting.

May I suggest the following:

The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense by Suzette Haden Elgin.

How to Work for A Jerk (I forgot the name of the author of this.)

Games Mother Never Told You About (not exact title) by Marilyn Moats
Kennedy.

The latter two books are mostly about the business world; but, although some 
specific advice may not apply, the general principles will.

And, of course, there's always The Prince, by Macchiavelli.

Lenore Levine
levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu
From: bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Fabrikant did not post to sci.research.careers
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:10:13 GMT
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center


|> Interesting that you chose to print both sides of the story.  Commendable.
|> However, in posting confidential memos and documentation, dod you
|> unknowingly open yourself to a lawsuit yourself?

Sued for helping someone execise freedom of speech?  How American.

God bless America, land of lawyers!

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are entirely my own and may or may not reflect those
of the US Navy." 
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From: jms@vision.sarnoff.com (Jerry Shapiro x2420)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Please distribute Fabrikant subject into appropriate news groups
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:05:20 GMT
Reply-To: jms@vision.sarnoff.com
Organization: David Sarnoff Research Center

In article 20641@nas.nasa.gov, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>While the Fabrikant subject is an interesting one, this group has been set
>up for "the discussion of careers in scientific resarch."
>
>STOP!
>Take a moment, edit your Subject-lines, your Newsgroups: fields, and Follow-up
>lines.
>
>If you want to ask for expertise about Fabrikant's sanity, please ask in
>sci.psychology.
>Cross post the Newsgroups: to sci.psychology,sci.research.careers (no space
>after comma), and Followup-To: sci.psychology (without the research.careers
>since that is not necessary a career question).
>
>Why don't we take the events of the case to soc.culture.canada?
>The legal questions can be taken to misc.legal.  Those specific issues
>dealing Fabrikant and his CAREER belong in this group.  This way the readers
>of this group don't need to concern themselves with murder events, and
>can concentrate on career issues.  We create different groups for a purpose,
>and "experts" congregate in those groups and you can typically get far
>better discussion in those specialties.
>
>Academic?  Make sense?  Got that?  Great.
>
>--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
>  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
>  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
>Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
>A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya

I disagree. I don't read soc.canada.culture. IMHO this tragic story is
of interest to *this* group. It started here, it should stay here.

Jerry Shapiro
My views only 
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: My letter to Fabrikant
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:24:23 GMT


For "History's sake", I am posting the e.-mail letter that I have sent to
Fabrikant on Aug.20, short time after I received his first message. This
was before the huge file with documents came in the mail.

Dov

----------------------- cut here -----------------------------

Dear V.I. fabrikant,

  First let me say that I fully sympathize with you, and I am 
inclinded to believe what you are saying. I have been witnessing
similar things in the past, although I dont think that anybody
went to jail because of it.

Now, I have few questions and few suggestions to make:

   1) There are not enough facts in you message( I am talking 
      about the only one that I received today, you may have sent
      more that I did not receive yet). This makes it difficult
      for anybody who wants to help you. What I think is missing
      is what exactly made you to go to jail and why. Did you
      make anything wrong that you did not tell us about ? Even
      if you did, it does not invalidate your case, but it makes
      it hard to write to the rector of Concordia without knowing
      the facts. People cannt just speak up for something they
      dont know thae facts about.

   2) Another missing points are (i) why did you wait so much time 
      and cooperated with these people ? I note that you and them
      have publications since 1982, at least. (ii) since you waited
      for at least 10 years, what has triggered you now to action ?

 Please understand that the above is not meant to shed doubts
on your claims. It will make your case stronger and easier for other
people to help you if you let more facts to be known.


Dov Bai