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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: USA v. Japan comments
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:25:54 GMT

In article <Bs2t0y.L9@cs.columbia.edu>, swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen) writes:
|> For those of you who didn't have the opportunity to see the USA v.
|> Japan match on Triplecast:
|> 
|> 1. Team USA can't pass.  Yesterday versus Japan, the passing just
|> wasn't good enough.  There were some *ugly* shanks.  USA's poor
|> passing was in sharp contrast to Japan's crisp, crisp passing.

              <<Serving comments nuked for space...>>
|> 
|> 3. The USA outside attack was not particularly effective.  This was in
|> sharp contrast to Japan's outside.  In one word, Nakagaichi.  He
|> singlehandlely killed USA.  He had 50+ kills.
|> 
              <<Steve Timmons notes nuked here, too...>>
|> 
|> 5. Blocking?  What's that?

               From the game I saw( #5 ), blocking and passing were the
               thorn in the US team's side. I was very surprised that US
               blocking was so WEAK!

               How would you block Nakagaichi, say, on his crosscourt or
               seam-split shots? Take the angle or line?
 
|> USA didn't lose because of the officiating.  They lost because Japan
|> outplayed them. 

                Unfortunately, yes. Blaming the refs is a lame attempt to
                cover up your own mistakes, even if the officiating sucks(
                as it did here ). 
|> 
|> 
|> Cheers,
|> *swfc
|> 
|> -- 
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Shu-Wie F Chen                               Department of Computer Science
|> swfc@cs.columbia.edu                         Columbia University

Get Vertical!
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From: van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo)
Subject: Re: What I think Fred-bo (Sturm, the USA coach) should do
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:05:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.033944.4736@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
oski@d31mf0.Stanford.EDU (L. Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
> I also found it very ironic that it was a Brazilian ref who yellow
> carded Samuelson.  His countrymen have to be amongst the worst, if not
> the worst, trash-talkers in volleyball.  And there is no love lost
> between USA and Brazil.
> 					--- Ravi Narasimhan
> 					    oski@clockwise.att.com
>  

I didn't think it was a Brazilian ref.  For some reason, I thought he
was from some piddly dink country, not to degrade his country.

Van
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From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT*
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:12:09 GMT

As to the statement of Japan outplaying USA.  If the protest wasn't upheld who
would have won the match?

Tony -
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From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: V-ball article in the S.F. Chronicle (Wed., July 22nd)
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:37:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

There was an interesting volleyball article in the "Sporting Green"
in this morning's San Francisco Chronicle (by Bruce Jenkins) entitled:

	"'Say It Ain't So', Kiraly's Fans Implore"

The article talks about the men's olympic volleyball squad, the
competition they'll be facing from the Cuba, Italy, Holland, and
the Unified Team, and particularly about Karch Kiraly's decision
to skip the olympics in favor of the beach. (There's also a short
article on the women's team.) Some quotes:

	"How could he? For the general public, Karch Kiraly IS
	 Olympic volleyball."

	"...this ('92 games) is the first REAL Olympic volleyball
	 tournament since 1976." (Due to boycotts in '80, '84, and
	 Cuba's no-show in '88)

	"'You've got to go into the Olympics with your 12 most-
	 motivated players,' Kiraly said upon reaching his decision.
	 'I wouldn't have been one of them.'"

	"An editorial in Volleyball Magazine read, in part, 'His
	 decision will be met with criticism and disappointment
	 from members of the volleyball community, who wonder how
	 their Mickey Mantle can stay away from the World Series.'"

	"The tournament's most charismatic player will be Despaigne
	 (Cuba), or Zorzi (Italy), certainly someone from another
	 roster."

	"'There are times,' he says (speaking about team captain Scott
	 Fortune), 'when I feel like I'm wearing a size-5 shoe, and
	 I'm being asked to fill Karch's size-13.'" 
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	Fred L. Templin
	(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)

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From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Looking for VB in South Bay area.
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:43:15 GMT
Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Hi all,

I'm looking for drop in volleyball in the south bay area.
Can anyone help me?

(Redwood, Atherton, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, Mountain View)

Greg.

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From: jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu (John P Yu)
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Organization: Columbia University
	<1992Jul19.152853.24623@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> <4977@transfer.stratus.com>
	<1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:53:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:

   /*Hypothetical stuff deleted*/

   [Commentary 1.9 requires you to have a foot on the floor only when you
   touch the wall _before_ you play the ball.  It says nothing about
   touching the wall _afterwards_.]  Conversely, it is legal to charge a
   wall, jump up onto it to stop your momentum, drop back to the floor, and
   then play the ball, again by Com 1.9.  Similarly, if you happen to play
   a ball and then run three levels up into some courtside bleachers, you
   can't play the ball again until you return to the court.
                                                     ^^^^^
Try contact with any playable area, the court is only 29'6" squared,
the playable area is considerably larger.


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From: lam@mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re:  Volleyball in Austin
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:06:12 GMT

(Sorry I have to post here but email to the idividual requesting the info
got bounced back.)

Belmont Hall, 5th floor, at the U. of Texas in Austin has a very nice
gym.  It used to have (when I lived there ~2 yrs. ago) open play on Tue
and Thur. nights and all afternoon Sunday.  *VERY* good play there.
Some univ. team members (women team) accasionally dropped in and played.

Austin Park District (not sure about the name) usually runs pretty good
leagues (all men, coed, diff. levels, etc.)

-Dan

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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: my feet are killing me!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:26:54 GMT

   Well, last fall, I was riding my bicycle. Well, I noticed that the
front wheel was wobbling. So, I will looking at it and not the road.
Well, I ended up in the bushes and had to jump off my bike. I landed
right on my heels. I bruised both the bones in them and it was agony to
walk nevermind playing volleyball. So, here's what I did...

   I got some epsom salts. Not sure if they worked or not. I started to
wear my Thorlo socks more often and I bought some heel pads. On top of
that, I was taking anti-inflamatory drugs. See a doctor. Chances are he
will give you some or tell you to take Nurpin or something. The pain
went away eventually.

   Get some shoes with some sort of pads. Asics Gel or something. My
Mizunos have that power-pak thing and the training pak absorbs a lot of
shock. I wear the heel pads if I play a lot. Take Advil or Nuprin also.

   I don't have feet pain problems anymore.


                                       - Drummer -
From: julian@baldur.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Shaved heads/CANADA RESULT
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:57:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, CA USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.80

(The follwing contains results of the USA v. CANADA match. So, if you
 don't want to know who won, hit "n")



       BARCELONA, Spain (UPI) -- Players on the U.S. men's volleyball team
shaved their heads in protest at the Olympic Games Tuesday then had a
close shave on the court.
        The shorn locks were done as a protest against the International
Volleyball Federation's decision to reverse the outcome of Sunday's U.S.
-Japan game following a Japanese protest. The United States appeared to
have won the match in five sets, but the FIVB overturned the decision
after an eight-hour inquiry revealed that the United States had won the
match with a player on the court who should have been ejected.
        ``We've all shaved our heads,'' said 6-foot-7 Bryan Ivie of Manhattan
Beach, Calif., who did not play against Japan because of an injury.
``This is a form of protest to show our disgust. We want all TV stations
to make this public and for there to be a worldwide reaction. This is
totally unfair.
        ``We feel offended because representatives of 23 countries voted
against us. They want us to lose. The change in the result, this defeat,
doesn't reduce our chances of winning the medal.''
        But continued poor play on the court surely will. The United States
barely squeezed past Canada Tuesday in its second match of the
tournament. The United States took the first two games by 15-12 scores
then dropped the next two and struggled to win the decisive fifth game,
16-14.
        Sunday's protest was lodged when referee Ramis Samedov of Azerbaijan
failed to eject U.S. player Bob Samuelson from the game after he had
received a second yellow card for unsportsmanlike conduct. An ejection
would have given Japan a penalty point and the four-set upset victory.
        After an eight-hour review, the FIVB concurred that Samuelson should
have been given a red card, which means automatic ejection, after
receiving a second yellow card. The second yellow card had been noted in
the official scorer's book and the second referee, Brazil's Laert de
Souza, made it a point to tell Samedov about the rule. However, Samedov
disregarded the information and let play continue.
        The incident came in the fourth set, one the Americans eventually
won, 17-16, to even the match. The United States then won the fifth set.
But if the penalty point had been awarded, the Americans would have lost
the fourth set, 15-13.

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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT NOT *
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:24:36 GMT

Well, I did not want this to escalate into something where I regret saying things 
to people I don't even know.  The truth of the matter is, IMHO, the US should
have taken care of the Japanese in short order, given the talent and experience on the team.  The Japanese played a great match, given their talent.  I believe that the Japanese made the best of their abilities and lost to a more talented team, before the 
bureaucrats took it away.  As for the question of being outplayed, I maintain
my stance because playing the game require talent, teamwork, desire, execution of the game plan, and hustle.  I can't speak for the desire part, but the Japanese clearly
hustled and executed better than the americans.  You can make fun of the pre-olympic
ranking all you want, but these rankings and evaluations are based upon what these teams did against each other during the year, which I believe should give you some
idea of where these teams are relative to each other.  So when you look at a matchup
of favorite and underdog, and the results are that close, there are a few things you can point to:
1) Home court advantage: not for either team.
2) Arrogance on the part of the favorite:  maybe a little, but not a real factor.
3) Nothing to lose attitude of the underdog: definitely for Japan.
4) Underdog was `ON' that night: definitely for Japan.
5) Favorite was `OFF' that night: definitely for Japan.

I think our main difference lies in the fact that I believe the Japanese overachieved greater than the US underachieved, and that is purely a judgement call.  In addition, 
I don't believe that I will ever change your mind, nor you mine, so lets just clear up the bandwidth and get on with life.
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From: dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Shaved Heads
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:37:30 GMT

Was it just me, or did anyone else have trouble following the players
in the US-Canada match.  Now that they've shaved their heads, I can't
tell them apart until I see their jerseys.  And with the camera angle
used by NBC (mentioned earlier), you usually can't even see that.  I
wonder if that has anything to do with Stork's setting?  Maybe he can't
tell who's in the front row with him anymore.

-dave

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From: mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley)
Subject: Looking for female volleyball player(s)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: ny
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:07:53 EDT

	Our team is looking for a female volleyball player to
play in an outdoor volleyball league on Wednesday nights.  Anyone
in the central New York area who is interested please email me.
Thanks.

Matthew Hanley
Systems Programmer 
Computing Services
Syracuse University
From: ethchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edwin T. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: USA vs Japan
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:30:47 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <Bs18vK.LDA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>so, after watching the awesome match, i had to wonder what was going to 
>happen with that apparent blown call by the refs.  what can they do?  if they
>can't review the call he made on timmons (saying he was over the 10 ft. line
>on that one hit), how can they review the match and determine how many
>warnings samuleson got and then overturn the call?  either way i think that
>most refs are wimps anyway, not letting you say anything to them at all before
>getting a yellow card.  things just get too intense to be that tight-assed
>about being yelled at.  any thoughts out there?
>
>jay				GO USA!!!!

I was pretty surprised by the caliber (or rather, lack of) of the
officiating during yesterday's match.  NBC cleared up any confusion
about the "second-yellow card" rule, which does in fact state that if a
team member receives two yellow cards in a match, the other team
receives a point (if serving).  However, they also presented the rule
that any protest must be made at the time of the incident, and since
Japan apparently did not do that, their protest should not stand.
Supposedly there is a meeting this morning about the whole thing.

Ed
From: Nerak@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Karen H)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Play Ball
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:32:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: SLAC

I am new on the net, and thought it just may be a good place to find out
where there is some volleyball going on.  I am interested in finding places
where people play a pretty good level of ball.  I am especially interested
in reverse co-ed.  I havent played in a while, an would like to get back
into it (I played in college at U.C. Davis).  Anyway, any informaiton on
free play nights, ect would be appreciated (only in the south bay area, San
Jose, Mt. View, etc).  Thanks in advance.

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From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: So Jim doesn't have to repeat himself ... (joke)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:58:50 GMT
Organization: NASA/LeRC

In article <1992Jul30.010449.27046@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu  
(Eric Wang) writes:
>Upon seeing The Name of:
>
>>>__________________________________________________________________
>>>Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
>>>----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------
>
>kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..) writes:
>>ummm, any relation to the big guy himself?
>
>No, none at all, according to Jim himself.  But it's been a while since
>his last post on the subject.

GEEEEZ- making it to the FAQ list- WOW.   I kind of like telling everyone about  
the early days when young cousin Karch was still in diapers and how I would  
repeatedly toss him my Spalding during those early morning visits to the beach.   
I just can't seem to get anyone to believe me :-)
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From: ckoontz@RDXSUN40.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Carl H. Koontz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Help with Olympic box score
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:31:18 GMT

I was wondering how to read the box scores for the Olympic
volleyball matches.  I understand the game by game scoring
but after the game scores it gives player names with numbers.
I would like to know what these numbers mean.

Example:

  Steve Timmons-53,...

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the names and numbers
as some players are listed more than once and the total of
all of a teams numbers are far more than the total points in
a match.

Thanks for your help.

Carl
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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Lori Endicott
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:12:54 GMT

   Daiva Tomkus didn't end up making the Olympic team. It seems that the
USA Women's Team has an abundance of middle hitters. Having a good
looking bench is never a problem with me though! Say, have you people
read the weights of these women? Lori Endicott weighs like 165 pounds!
She is only 5'9"! Man, she's got some legs on her then. Goodness!

   The USA men looked awful last night. Ctvrtlik tore into Fortune
pretty bad! I was really amazed that he was that open about the play of
certain players on the team. Wow. 


                                         - Drummer -



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From: nacsjwb@acsprod1.acs.ncsu.edu (Jim Busch)
Subject: Myrtle Beach Jose Cuervo
Organization: North Carolina State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:53:23 GMT

	Does anyone know the number to call to get an entry for a Jose
Cuervo event?  I want to get into the tournament in Myrtle Beach on 
August 22nd (assuming it's not already too late), but haven't had any
luck with finding out where to call.  Thanks for the help!

		- Jim (nacsjwb@acs2.acs.ncsu.edu)
	
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From: wung@ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: US Mens Team
Reply-To: wung@ee.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:36:40 GMT

In article 89597@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au, ugoni@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au () writes:
>Can anyone give me a list of the USA's mens team. Obviously Karch isn't
>playing, what is the reason for this?
>
>Antony


Middle: Partie, Samuelson, Ivie, Hilliard.
Outside: Ctvrtlik ( Check my spelling), Fortune, Becker, Brisceno.
Setter: Stork, Greenbaum.
Opposite: Timmons.
Defensive specialist: Sato.

Before anyone goes nuts, I think a lot of the hitters can play many positions, I just
needed the positions to help me remember the lineup.
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