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From: ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen)
Subject: Richter-Rauser, Sozin
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:34:43 GMT

I wrote:

>
>What books have been written on the next line:
>
>1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6
                                           **!!!!!!!!

Sorry! It should have been 5.-Nc6!

>
>Now 6.Bg5 is most popular, but I have only one very old Batsford
>book form the 70's. 6.Bc4 is being played more and more often, but
>here too only Kasparovs SIS e6+d6 systems is available (being printed
>1n the beginning of 80's). How about 6.Be2?
>
>It is surprising that there are so few books on this interesting opening.
>Can anyone help me?
>
>Antti
>
>


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: Sudden Death Rule
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.201136.7407@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> watsonb@alcohol.ecn.purdue.edu (Bradley S Watson) writes:
>I'd like to know how most people interpret rule 10.D in the 
>sudden-death rules section of the USCF rulebook.  ...

>How "clearly drawn" does it need to be?  Last month in a tournament
>I directed, two 1300's reached an endgame with just a king, bishop, and
>pawn versus a king and a rook.  The guy with the bishop and pawn claimed
>a draw under this rule.

I would not declare this a draw.  KNKN is a draw because even with worst
play no one can win.  KRKBP has lots of ways to go wrong.  Both sides
have "losing chances".  The question in 10.D is not "with reasonable
play, can one side hold the draw" - the question is "is it impossible
for the side with less time to blow it". 

The point is that in 10.D situations, time pressure can't make the side
with less time make a mistake and blow the game.  Since he can't crumble
under time pressure, the clock ought to be irrelevant.  In KRKBP, the
player in time trouble can still blow it, so the state of the clock is
relevant. He has used more time, to reach a position which he can still
lose.  Therefore, he needs to defend using the time left to him.  If he
flags, it was his choice to spend that much time.

A true "sudden death" fanatic might make the same argument in the KNKN
endgame (the side with less time loses because the clock is part of the
game).  But, 10.D says that the clock should not cause an *absurd*
result.  It is absurd for either player to win KNKN.  It is most
definitely not absurd for *either* player to win KBPKR.

TD's should not have to make close calls.  They need only be able to
recognize the absurd.



-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Subject: Re: Has Fischer ever played 1 d4?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:41:42 GMT



Fischer played 1.d4 in 1970 vs  Hort in a blitz tournament,
in 1972 in games 6 and 12 of the match versus Spassky, by transposition
from 1 c4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d4  . Lastly he played a friendly game in 1970
against an unknown opponent Mr. G.
 
-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Department of Computer Science                      University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
From: geg625n@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Dave Bulman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chessmaster 2100 questions (Mac)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:36:28 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Oct2.225313.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>, marcusc@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.074007.1@bbs.mdcbbs.com>, niblack@bbs.mdcbbs.com writes:
>>
>> I have just purchased Chessmaster 2100 for the Macintosh.  I must say I like
>> the graphics, it plays a good game of chess (for me), and I think, overall, its
>> the best chess program I've ever played (not that I've played a lot of them).
>>
>> However, I do have some questions:
>>
>>   1.) Is it possible to read in a text file of moves so that CM can analyze
>>       them?  (I was hoping to anayze the F-S match.)
>>
>>   2.) Is it possible to save information such as the "Human's" name and
>>       rating. (I have tried to save the settings, but this does not save
>>       the name and rating.  I find it hard to play 10 games in one session
>>       just to see how CM rates my playing.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>> Shawn
>
> I have used chessmaster 2100 for my mac but found it riddled with bugs.
> I had many problems saving settings and using the rating feature
> I will also say that it did not play a good game and only changed its
> stock opening if I programmed the learn an opening feature.
> It eventually crashed completely.
> At least it taught me to register my sw from now on, ended up blwoing
> 30 stirling on a piece of junk.  I think you will find other people
> have had problems with it too.
>
> Clifford Marcus
> New York
>
    Absolutely!  Although I use CM 2100 to get in some practice, the game has
some peculiarities that I'm at a loss to understand.  For example why does it
offer you a choice of analysis of both black AND white play THEN simply hangs?
The instruction book that comes with the game is about as informative as food
packageing; there are a number of menu items that bring up dialogs which are
just not explained for example.  Most frustrating.

Dave
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Capablanca vs Rubinstein
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:50:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

What did Don Wedding's latest post have to do with Capablanca and Rubinstein?
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Anand-Ivanchuk 3-1!
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:06:36 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

>In article <92280.101623IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>|> Anand, next world champion?


Yes.

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Grandmastet award(was RE: kings gambit)
From: nason@pa881a.inland.com
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:35:35 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: nason

In article <BvMxwo.3LJ@world.std.com>, ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow) writes:
> Not to be overly critical of what might just be a typo, but Joe Gallagher is
> something like 2150 last time I looked, which was a few days ago.
> 
> Another case of Winslow possibly completely screwing up the data, but that
> is what I remember.  Perhaps the author is thinking of the Gallagher from 
> Europe?
> 
> --Elliott

I thought that once a grandmaster title is awarded, it is kept for life,
regardless of rating.  I thought master was an achievement, but grandmaster was
an award, once you got it, you got it.  With my understanding, calling this
person a grandmaster would be correct even though his rating is only 2150,
provided he was awarded the grandmaster title at some previous point in time.  

Someone straighten me out if I am wrong.

Thanks.
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From: benesh@iastate.edu (Charles J Benesh)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: USCF "Titles"
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:19:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA


In article <1992Oct8.180421.28197@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:

>Dont forget the following USCF titles:
>
>e, E, d, D, c, C, b, B, a, A, x, X, ...
>
>And - like LM, these "go on your Permanent Record(tm)".
>
	Any of you USCF insiders out there care to explain this
system? My latest chess life tells me I'm a0( a zero??I'm not sure 
I like that.8-)) Just what do I have to do to become A0, etc...???
Do I get cash and prizes if I do??

	While I'm at it, just whose idea was it to  get rid of
the Golden Squires??


					Charles Benesh


 




















































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From: connors@drutx.ATT.COM (ConnorsPA)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Novice Question - Openings/Books
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:25:29 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

My favourite single-volume openings book is "Kurs Debyutov",
("An Opening Course") by Panov and Estrin. This, **very** unfortunately,
exists only in Russian. The latest edition that I have, the 5th,
was published in 1973.

In a mere 368 pages, this covers every significant or insignificant opening.
There is an introduction to each opening, diagrams are sprinkled
everywhere throughout the book, *and* there are 100 fully annotated
example games. There's about as much words as variations, and the
variations are exceptionally well chosen to illustrate the critical
highways and byways.

If I have an opening or variation I wish to learn about, this is the book
I use whenever I possibly can.

If a modern-day GM (or GMs) could come out with a similar book in English,
I have not the slightest doubt that it would rapidly blow away
MCO or BCO for sales.
From: exunmk@exu.ericsson.se (Noel Kerns)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: GrandMaster Chess
Keywords: Computer chess MSDOS
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:13:18 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <uzun.718865031@crash.cts.com> uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:
>From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
>Subject: GrandMaster Chess
>Keywords: Computer chess MSDOS
>Date: 12 Oct 92 04:43:51 GMT

>I just bought an MS-DOS program called GrandMaster Chess, which
>purports to be the worlds most powerful chess program.
>I do not think it is, and would like to play it againsty
>someone who has Sargon V or ChessMaster 3000 or some strong
>chess program out there.
>Anyone for an Email computer v computer game?

I am right now in the process of playing Chessmaster 3000 against 
Grandmaster Chess on a 486/33 with 8MB of RAM.  They have played 2 games 
thus far, the first being a long, fairly well played draw, and the second 
being a victory for Grandmaster.  I have the second game saved (forgot to do 
the first).  They are both set at their highest playing level, and I Believe 
I had the response control set to 20 seconds per move.

I'm running them both under Windows 3.1, switching back and 
forth between the two and entering moves.  If you like I can post the 
results of the 2nd game, as well as future games.

As for each programs features against human (i.e., non-master) opponents, 
both USUALLY give me more than I can handle on their strongest settings.
Hhowever, I've noticed that "de-tuning" CM3000 can lead to some rather 
erratic play.  I do like that bells and whistles CM3000 has though.  Lots of 
really handy features (like annotation) that make it a little better from a 
complete package standpoint.


				Enough for now.....

						NMK
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From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Info on K+B+N vs K (Was: Re: resigning wusse
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:42:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct16.104229.16440
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Oct16.035356.2493@cis.uab.edu>
sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:
>[...]
>Endgame 17 "Mate in Three"          W: Kf7,Bf5,Ne5 B: Kh8
>[.....]

Is this right!?  Kh8 is in the wrong corner to be mated, no?
Perhaps Bf5 belongs on f4.

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: When Deep Thought Beats Kasparov...
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:35:27 GMT

Richard A. Haas writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Another point is that as computer programs getter better, 
		so will Kasparov and his heirs incorporate some of this 
		wisdom into their own playing, and they too will improve 
		beyond today's levels.

	Dear Sir, You must be joking. [...] How can you possibly believe 
	that Kasparov will "learn" anything which will improve his play 
	by the fact that Deep Thought blindly searches faster? 

No, I was not joking. Kasparov and his heirs will have access to winning 
games and TN lines of play that Deep Thought will have used. Never mind
how DT got there.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: Grandmastet award(was RE: kings gambit)
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:04:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.173400.12403@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
>USCF titles:
>Master:  Current rating 2200+
>Sr. Master:  Current 2400+
>Life Master:  300 games played at 2200+
>
>Except for LM, these can be gained and then lost.
>

Dont forget the following USCF titles:

e, E, d, D, c, C, b, B, a, A, x, X, ...

And - like LM, these "go on your Permanent Record(tm)".

Every so often, someone calls for posters to supply their ratings - I
propose that we simply exchange "titles".

Mine is B5 (sort of makes a chill go down your spine, doesn't it?)





-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen)
Subject: testing
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:58:51 GMT


test

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ml@world.std.com (Mark Limont)
Subject: FS-II Game 16
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:24:03 GMT


     Spassky     Fischer
     White       Black

    1. d4        Nf6
    2. c4        c5
    3. d5        d6
    4. Nc3       g6
    5. e4        Bg7
    6. Bg5       h6
    7. Bh4       g5
    8. Bg3       Qa5
   10. Bd3       Ne4
   11. bc3       Qc3
   12. Kf1       f5
-- 
Mark Limont
ml@world.std.com
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Info on K+B+N vs K (Was: Re: resigning wusse
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1992Oct16.151318.3196@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:

> Sorry - that was *my* typo.  It should be W: Kf7,Bg5,Ne5 B: Kh8

> 1. Ng6+ Kh7
> 2. Nf8+ Kh8
> 3. Bf6  mate

1. Nd7 works too.

> Bonus problem for the student:  start from the diagram, which shows

> W: Kf7,Bg5,Ne5 B: Kh7

> and mate in FOUR.  (Hint: Noam has already given you one possible key
> move...) [in the immortal words of Soupy Sales, "tempo, tempo!"]

An additional hint:  Of the 21 legal moves from this position,

	5 lead to mate in 4
	3 lead to mate in 5
	4 lead to mate in 6
	3 lead to mate in 8
	1 leads to mate in 11
	1 leads to mate in 12
	2 lead to mate in 13
	and 2 throw away the win entirely.

(this information obtained from Thompson's exhaustive analysis database)
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: south bend, indiana
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:51:52 GMT


 could someone please tell me where the closest uscf or whatever chess
 club to south bend, indiana is?  i looked up "chess" in the yellow
 pages, to no avail.  thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel)
Subject: Re: Inflation in ELO's system
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.173940.19045@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I might actually start getting convinced that the rating system IS intrinsi-
>cally DEflationary. The argument that none of my 'opponents' have provided,
>and which undermines some of my arguments (notably the one about initial
>ratings being determined by the inside factors only) is that there is a
>positive feedback on the initial ratings, i.e. that if there is deflation at
>some time, there will also be a deflation of INITIAL ratings, so the distri-
>bution of initial ratings will NOT stay the same, which was the basis for my
>claim of a steady state.

The methods for establishing initial rating depend linearly upon
the rating of opponents.  As the opponent's ratings drop through
deflation, the initial ratings will also drop.  I guess that's the
feedback you were looking for.  The two distributions will move
together.

Ed
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,rec.games.programmer,comp.ai,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: New SAN Kit version available (ANSI prototyped chess programming)
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:20:01

A new version of the SAN Kit (Standard Algebraic Notation) chess
programming C language source code package has been uploaded to the
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu site in the pub/chess/uploads directory:

-rw-r-----  1 ftp      staff       81219 Oct 12 14:24 san.tar.Z

This new version, dated 1992.10.11, has been completely converted to
use the function prototyping facility of the ANSI C standard.  It is
believed that this will help with porting to those platforms that
implement the old K&R C standard in differing ways.  For the Macintosh
fans, I note that the above version was developed on a Mac Plus using
THINK C 5.0.3; it may be of interest for both potential chess
programmers and those who who like to examine yet another C
programming style.

The new version will be transferred from the upload area to the
pub/chess/misc directory soon; this directory still has the last K&R
style version of the SAN Kit:

-r--r--r--  1 chess    staff       81003 Oct  6 14:55 san.tar.Z

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: STOP BASHING ALEKINE
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:08:57 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Oct12.110653.23931@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmef@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M E Fletcher) writes:
> In the referenced article, dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>hey,
>>
>>although i'm no big fan of alekine as either a chess player or
>>as a person, i'm sick of all these people complaining about how
>>he was ducking capablanca.
>>
> [deleted]
>>so anyways, don't go bashing alekine unless you do so in the same
>>breath that you bash capablanca and lasker...and what about the
>>worst of them all....sir howard staunton.
>>
>>
>>don wedding
> 
> Well why don't you stop bashing Staunton then? Staunton hadn't been an
> active player for several years when challenged by Morphy and his
> refusal to play was a tacit admission that Morphy was far the stronger
> player. The bad feelings that arose between them were virtually entirely
> down to the efforts of Morphy's "adviser" Edge who deliberately stirred
> it up. There was no question about Morphy's supremacy and Staunton's
> disinclination to play didn't dent it in the slightest. Staunton always
> seems to get a terrible press (in the US?! :-) ) and you might try reading
> the Oxford Companion to Chess for a more objective account.
      ^^^^^^

 *OXFORD* ?!?!?! for an objective account?!?!?  an objective account
would be from a third party country!!!  

actually, i tend to consider all of the american accounts that i've
read to be objective...since everyonce knows that the american press
is unbiased ;-)


seriously, i've only read accounts that made morphy look like the
most noble of gentlemen while staunton looks like the biggest jerk
in the history of chess.

if you have another view of the story, i'd be interested in 
reading it. i've always suspected that their might be another side
to the story.

please post.

don wedding.


> 
> Matt
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: resigning wusses
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:23:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct13.181044.1306@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>I don't really agree with this.  If material is even or relatively
>even or an unbalanced situation exists - don't resign.
>As long as there are reasonable chances to complicate -
>don't resign.  

>A friend of mine who is in the 2200-2300 USCF range plays on
>until mate in every game he loses.  When he is really (totally)
>lost he plays very quickly.  I personally don't do this, but I
>don't see a big problem with it.  Incidentally, he has drawn and
>even won a good number of these games.

 Learning how to setup a situation for a stalemate is a useful objective
if one is playing out what seems to be a lost position. Not only does it
offer the lost side one final chance at reprieve, but it also will teach
him/her how to avoid having a stalemate administered to him when he is on
the winning side and the opponent is dragging out the endgame.

 
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