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From: JIM.DIXON@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (JIM DIXON)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Apology
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 92 22:03:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

I refer back to a reply I posted to I think) John Bible.  I received a
great deal of private NetMail.  The replies made it quite clear that I
misrepresented my opinion.  I guess I tried to be too short, which I'll
do here as well.  The reply was in the Creation/Evolution thread
concerning where either/both subjects should be taught.  My problem was
grouping both into 2 categories, Creo's and Evo's when there are so many
of both (in my opinion).  I didn't qualify "Evolution" as I percieve it
science-wise.  If I may, I'll eat my crow with a grain of salt for
flavor...
In my opinion(!), If by definition "evolultion" refers to a species or
group of species changes brought about by climatic or environmental
changes (for example), then I agree this is science.  If 'evo' involves
origin as fact and Creation as falacy, I feel this part should be taught
out of the science class.  Life *may* have evolved from primordal soups
but as some Creo's have _suggested_, the primordal soup could have been
created by a supreme being (and the dabate ad infinitum).
What I originally intended in my first response in this thread was to
teach the debate of origin, Evo verses Creo, to Social Studies.
Crow isn't that bad....:-)
Jim
...  SLMR 2.1a  


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From: Frank.Topping@puddle.fidonet.org (Frank Topping)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Toothpick bridges (or any computer mediated collaboration)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 04:10:39 PST
Organization: Pacific Systems Group


 Replying to a message by Darryl Hosford at 1:321/120.0,

  Hi Darryl!

     On 28-Mar-92 your message held:

 DH> I am just about to test my students' toothpick bridges for structural 
 DH> strength.  (Testing is on Mar. 31.)  Is there any other class that is 
 DH> doing a lab project such as this that my students could interact with?  
 DH> I think that it would be very interesting for them.  Last year I had 
 DH> several students come around 150 lbs. with one box of toothpicks!  If 
 DH> another science teacher is interested in projects of this type, let's 
 DH> get in contact here, and plan future projects, or compare notes on past 
 DH> projects.
 DH> 
 DH> Darryl Hosford

Darryl, I've been asked by the board of directors and staff of the
Sacramento Children's Festival to provide the absolute most thrilling
connectivity experience possible for the children of the greater
Sacramento area from the lobby of the California State Railroad Museum
using six phone lines and computers and such "virtual extensions" of the
lobby environment as we are able to find hardware loan and manpower
for; the CA State Indian Museum, Sutter's Fort,........... Science
Center and UCD Med Center Pediatrics ward may all end up being declared
"honorary" RR Museum / Old........... property for the 30th of May 10am
- 5pm.

Let me know if you'd like to envision some collaboration to culminate at
one of these sites or if you envision other possible participation you'd
like to contribute as part of the festival.  I'm not sure of the
schedual of the shuttle flights lately but if they're up we'll be trying
to establish contact - Antartica and some other outposts have interested
me as well - Lake Bikal for instance?

Wanna play?  ...slinging floppies from Half Dome if need be I'm going to
be trying to connect up and down hwy '49 / Central Valley / Redwoods /
Chico / and some really thrilling "special projects" too "locally".
...global outreach includes a request by a guy to return home to
Czechoslovakia as a Fido / K12 sysop, Moldovan connections requested and
even a coach that has a competitor desiring connect w/ the Japanese
Olympic Committee.

Science projects would certainly be welcome as long as we're able to
plan ahead to accomodate them tastefully.

Take care, Darryl,


(p.s. - Reno is online feeding from Janet Murray)


Frank Topping,...........                          (916)455-5154 (voice)


 * Origin:........... Peace Child - NorCal Spirit! (916)451-0225 (1:203/454)

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From: Laurie.Appleton@p1.f316.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Laurie Appleton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Evolution is a fact!
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 92 23:10:08 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/316.1 - The Galaxy GateWay , Redlands Qld Australia

 LH> We are going to end this "endless" dialogue on
 LH> evolution & creation as this echo is for science
 LH> discussion.  What has happened is individuals are
 LH> pushing
 LH> a philosophy.  Thank you for your cooperation.

 LH> LH
 LH> Moderator

    That is no doubt your absolute right.  Would you tell me
 however, if you ever attended a DEBATE between Evolutionist
 experts and Creation science speakers, or did you perhaps
 debate any of them yourself?

   Could you also indicate your views on the following;

    Writing in the November issue of Science 82, a publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science,science journalist Robert Schadewald (who debated Gish on
Station WHO, Des Moines, in 1980) believes that because of
better preparation and an organized network, evolutionists are beginning to win some of the Morris/Gish debates.  This is
a rather subjective statement on his part since no attempt is made to determine an official "winner."

   Admitting that creationists "won" virtually all of them in the past, Schadewald feels that the turning point was the
Morris/Miller debate at Brown University in the Spring of 1981.

   (From Fish to Gish: Dramatic story of a Decade of Debates,Marvin L. Lubenow, (1983), p. 258)

   Would you have seen that SCIENCE 82 publication and, if so,
 can you confirm that was the substance of the AAAS report?
 Thank you.

 Laurie



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From: JIM.DIXON@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (JIM DIXON)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: LATE READING
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:55:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

Lowell;
I missed your post regarding the Creation/Evolution discussion.  I
caught the tail end of someone responding to your mention of the matter
too late.  I sent a reply regarding the matter to someone this morning.
I assume from the quote I caught that you want the matter dropped.
However, if science teachers are finding it difficult to deal with
'creationist' parents who want equal time, or parents who don't want
'evolution' taught to their children, could this not be a good place to
find alternative answers?

LH>Moderator

You have my sympathies ;-)
Jim
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From: David.L..Gibbons@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (David L. Gibbons)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: lasers and optics
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 08:08:18 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/152 - SpaceMet North 2, Greenfield MA

 DC> I'm really not sure about any specifics, but the 
 DC> report has to do with eye surgery.  Maybe, How do 
 DC> lasers work in healing the eye in laser surgery.
 
Well there are two uses that come right to mind:
     1) The use of a laser to "weld" a detached retina back in place. Here the laser is basically used to damage small spots of the retina and the resulting scar tissue does the welding. The laser-damaged spots are so small that little loss of vision occurs.
     2) The use of lasers to relieve excess pressure buildup in the eye (glaucoma?). Here the problem is that the "pores" on the eye (yes, there are small holes through the front of the eye) get blocked and liquid builds up inside, distorting the shape of the eye and impairing vision. For this a laser is used to drill new holes. One interesting thing here is that the new holes can be "drilled" square, which apparently works better than using circular ones.
 
Hope this helps,
 
David


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From: Steve.Choate@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Choate)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Electroplating
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 21:01:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

   This is only a guess but is your Zinc Sulfate solution too concentrated or is the surface area of the piece you are plating too large for your power supply? Either of those would tend to draw too much current from your power supply. It`s also possible that your electrodes are too close together. Hope this is helpful. What are you plating?
                bye, 
                           Steve


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From: Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: LATE READING
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 05:41:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

 > JDtoo late.  I sent a reply regarding the matter to someone JDthis
 > morning.
 > JDI assume from the quote I caught that you want the matter
 > JDdropped.
 > JDHowever, if science teachers are finding it difficult to
 > JDdeal with
 > JD'creationist' parents who want equal time, or parents who
 > JDdon't want
 > JD'evolution' taught to their children, could this not be a
 > JDgood place to find alternative answers?

What happened is that this debate what taking over the echo and it was
 difficult for a reader to find much else on the echo.  Since the creation
 point of view does not follow scientific methods of investigation but rather
 is a philosophical or religious position, it is difficult to have any sort of
reasonable discussion.  Just as in relativity, different observers come up
 with different conclusions based on their frame of reference.  Unfortunately,
the creation/evolution debate cannot be straightned out as the apparent
 conflict can with relativity theory.

Some of the prior comments bordered on FLAMING and it was thought that the
 "discussion" should end on March 31.  Contrary to views of some readers of
 this echo, it was not done because of religious pressure or anything else
 connected with religion.  Nor are we opposed to freedom of speech.  There are
FidoNet echoes where such debates are welcome and we highly encourage those
 interested in continuing to move to those echoes.  I hope I have answered your
 questions.

LH 

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