From: linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Hunters needed
Date: 29 Sep 1992 19:27:33 GMT
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In article <1992Sep28.223431.4626@convex.com> jjohnson@convex.com (Jenifer L. Johnson) writes:
>

>Jeff Achenbach writes:

 
>>              HUNTERS and ANTI-ANIMAL RIGHTISTS
>>      The Fund For Animals invites YOU to the third Bi-Annual
>>              TEXAS CONFERENCE FOR THE ANIMALS
 
>>Perhaps your fondest dream:  Get Ingrid Newkirk and Wayne Pacelle in the
>>crosshairs for a debate!
 
>>               SUBJECT:  Sport Hunting
 
>>When:   Friday evening, October 2 at 8:00 P.M.  (Kicking off the
                                                    Conference)
>> Where:  Austin, Texas at Red Lion Hotel
 
>>The public is invited to this event.  However, as of this posting, no one has
>>stepped forward to take them on in public - _even_ after a comprehensive
>>search.  Furthermore, several hunting advocates have backed out of the debate
>>after first accepting the invitation.


>>>Don't they know Oct. 1 is opening day of bow season? Also small game? You
>>>really think hunters are going to go see these folks instead of going out
>>>in the woods?

>This event was scheduled to coincide with the Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept.'s
>Hunting Expo, also in Austin next weekend.  According to an article in
>yesterday's Dallas Morning News, ~700 hunters were registered for the TP&W
>awards banquet.  That means that at least 700 hunters have chosen to be at the
>Expo rather than in the woods on the opening day of bow season.

>Included in those 700 are Ted Nugent, self-proclaimed hunting advocate, George
>W. Bush, and Nolan Ryan.  The Morning News article said that Nugent will be
>performing a 30-minute mini-concert to attract attention to his anti-drug,
>pro-hunting message directed at kids, and quoted Nugent as saying, "The kids
>listen to me because I play rock n' roll, and I speak the truth with great
>passion.  It works like magic."

>If Nugent believes his message "works like magic," then why does he refuse to
>participate in the FoA debate?  It's certainly not because he's going to be
>busy bowhunting that day.


He probably doesn't feel they are worth wasting his breath over.  You will
have to admit that any ARF who is fanatical enought to pay hundreds of dollars
to attend some political rally is not going to be open minded enough to even
begin to listen to an opposing viewpoint.  Even though I'll bet very few of
them have the slightest idea of what hunting and hunters are all about but,
rather have a perception born of the brainwashing propaganda spread by the
likes of PETA and other such illminded clans.


>So what`s the real reason we can't find even two hunters out of the bunch who
>are willing to test their views against two members of the opposition?  If the


First you need to realize that our views are not subject to testing.  You
or nobody else can give our views a failing grade other than in your own mind.


>leaders of the AR movement are simply disseminators of misinformation,
>wouldn't this be a wonderful opportunity for those level-headed hunters to
>give us the facts?  Or are hunters afraid to test beliefs based largely on
>tradition and myth against the well-founded arguments of Ingrid and Wayne?


Oh well Jennifer, you hit the nail on the head.  I'm sure I speak for all
hunters when I say we are just terrified at the thought of such a test 
with ol Ingrid and Wayne.  :-)  But seriously, why don't you just test
your views and beliefs against those of Charles Manson.  Seems to be the
same thing to me.  Charlie, Ingrid and Wayne are all nuts IMO.


>I'll be in Austin for the Conference and for the debate, so I can post a
>followup as to whether any of those ~700 noble, level-headed hunters could
>muster the conviction and the courage to stand up to a bunch of gullible,
>Bambi-worshipping vegetarians.  My guess is that the hunters will prove
>themselves to be the cowards we AR folks suspect they are.


Yeah, well good Jennifer.  While you are there, think of me and the fact 
that I will be enjoying the natural world while hunting.  And by the way,
you just don't know how hurt I am that some disillusioned, out of touch
person has label me (as a hunter) a coward.  How can I go on?  :-)


> Jennifer L. Johnson | "Those who kill animals for food will be more prone 
> jjohnson@convex.com |  than vegetarians to torture and kill their fellow
>	IWTFM	     |  men."  		--Pythagoras 

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Mike Linan










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