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From: a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan)
Subject: Patriots News 9/15
Keywords: Rams Game
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:10:56 GMT


PATRIOTS NEWS 9/15

Maybe the team thinks the season starts 2 weeks late?

The Rams beat the late starting Patriots 14-0 Sunday.  Scoring was:

    LA    Gary 1 yd TD (Zendejas kick)     0-7
    LA    Gary 9 yd TD (Zendejas kick)     0-14


Millen was 18-32 for 145 yds with 4 interceptions.  He was sacked 7 times; 
3 of those by Kevin Greene (The Rams had 17 sacks all last year!).  The New
England offensive line had worked together for only 2 days, since Harlow
was well enough to play.  This inexperience showed during the game.

Baumann missed a 38 yard FG attempt, the only real scoring opportunity for
the Pats.

Jon Vaughn was ejected near the end of the game.  He got into a shoving 
match with Kevin Greene after a kickoff.

The Pats used all 3 of the WRs on the roster on many plays.  Fryar went out
with a slight knee sprain at one point.  Tight Ends Ben Coates and Marv 
Cook were used as WRs until Fryar returned!!

The defense kept the team in the contest, but the offense just couldn't
do anything to help them out.

Some quotes:

	Pat Harlow:  "I  didn't have enough field awareness.  I knew what
I was supposed to do but I  was just behind the game physically."

	Eugene Chung:  "At times it was awkward.  It took me two or three 
plays to get used to being a tackle when I took over for Pat [Harlow].  
Then I went back to guard again when Pat came back and my mind scrambled 
there for a while."

	Hugh Millen:  "What more can you say about the way our defense 
plays.  They were keeping them in check.  They played well enough to win 
two games."  

Some other stats:
Rushing:  Russell 18-71, Milen 5-40, Stephens 2-4, Vaughn 1-3
Receiving:  Fryar 7-71, Timpson 4-51, Russell 4-9, Cook 2-15, Vaughn 1-(-1) 

It was a disappointing start, but it was probably a good indicator of the
season, unfortunately.  The glaring weak points of a struggling offensive
line and a no-depth receiver corps were obvious.  Starting to look like a
long season.
 

Take Care,
 
John 



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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: NFL TEAM STAT PROJECT
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep11.122433.6559@walter.cray.com> <BuFFCJ.46J@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:51:54 GMT

In article <BuFFCJ.46J@acsu.buffalo.edu> v118jxyk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Live Fast, Die Young!) writes:

	   I could do the stats for every team, especially since every stat that
   you mentioned is listed in the USA Today monday and tuesday section.  So, why
   waste time posting up the results, when people could just go out and buy a
   newspaper.

Because you feed them into a database and crunch out what ever stats you
think you need to prove your point.  And you don't have to keep the USAT for
every week of the season to get composite stats.  And with a distributed load
you don't have to do any work, or at most will type in the stats for *one*
team.  And this way we can log the stats to look them up next season, and the
season after that.  And do all sorts of cool performance  projectsions. 

Databases filled with meaningful statistics can be wonderful things.

Bill
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: 92 Surprises
Keywords: Teams to watch
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:20:47 GMT

	Lots of people on this net have made predictions about final
standings and who will go to the Super Bowl.  What follows are my picks as
to which teams will be surprises:  unexpected successes and unexpecetd
failures.

	NFC:  Surprise success-  Phoenix.  If Timm Rosenbach stays healthy
I would not be surprised to see them make the playoffs.  The only problem
they have is being in a tough division.  Good defense, good running game,
solid young QB--maybe the best young QB in the game.

	Also look out for Green Bay and Los Angeles

	      Surprise failure-  Detroit.  Maybe not such a surprise after
all that has happened to them, but the OL problems and QB controversy
spell a real let down after last year.


	Also look out Washington and Atlanta

	AFC:  Surprise success-  Cleveland.  Mack's hurt.  No one expects
them to do much this year, but I think defense is a key and Belichek IMHO
is the best defensive coach in the league right now.  Kosar hasn't had a
big year in a long time and he's due.

	Also look out for San Diego and New England

	     Surprise failure-  Buffalo.  I regret to say, because I like
the Bills.  Few teams have ever come back from the demoralization of
losing in the Super Bowl.  They still have the talent, but I suspect their
morale is beyind recapture.

	Also look out Denver and Houston
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From: wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller)
Subject: test
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:20:46 GMT


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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:18:00 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.13.716044945@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City) writes:
>In article <1170@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons) writes:
>>From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
>>Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
>>Date: 8 Sep 92 21:34:18 GMT
>
>>In article <1992Sep7.144415.25916@hellgate.utah.edu>  (Tom Wolf) writes:
>>>In article <6SEP199219273412@zeus.tamu.edu>  (SHARAT SHEKHAR) writes:
>>>>
>>>>      is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!
>
>>Handley has been saying all during preseason, that the "new look" Giants would
>>arrive on Sept 6th.
>...
>tons-o-stuff-deleted.
>
>Yeah, Everyone is right here.  The Giants do need time to adjust to the new 
>defense.  In a local paper LT was quoted as saying "you think we looked 
>confused, well we were, we were missing our assignments regularly."  
>
The Giants can take all the time they need to adjust to their new defense,
but it will be to no avail. They still will end up losing and staying home
watching the SB.
>
>On a different note, although things looked pretty shabby, I was pleased to 
>see them go for the TD's and not settle for field goals.  
>Adriene L. Nazaretian        
>Yale University              
>ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
>ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  

Did they have a choice? :-)
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Philadelphia Eagles question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:49:33 GMT
Summary: Ben Smith

In article <1992Sep14.151557.16479@athena.cs.uga.edu>, milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>  I was watching the Eagles-Cards game last night and did not see Eagles
>  defensive back Ben Smith. He was the Eagles first round pick from UGa a 
>  couples years back. Is he still recovering from the surgery that he underwent
>  or what??

Yes, Ben Smith is rehabing his injured knee (similar to Randall's).
The rehab did not go well at first, but from last reports it has been
improving.  There is a very slim chance that Smith will be back this
year.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd
From: zucker@raid.dell.com (Brian Zucker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:35:55 GMT
Reply-To: zucker@raid.UUCP (Brian Zucker)
Distribution: na
Organization: Dell Computer Co

In article <1992Sep14.195559.13369@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>Yeah Cofer has been to unpredictable and downright undependable
>to keep.  
>
>I know the perfect replacement for him.  The Saints had a guy kicking
>for Morten Anderson in the pre-season that was hitting their 
>field goals.  But, with Anderson healthy they don't need him.
>
>He was moderately impressive when given the chance with the Saints,
>but he really showed in the WAFL where he won the WAFL championship
>with a long field goal.  
>
>Carey Blanchard.  Somebody tell Seifert.
>
>Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
>ps. peace

Sorry man.  The Saints are that stupid.  They put him on their developmental
squad.                  ^
                        |
	Ooops!  Should have been AREN'T!!!!

Brian
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From: jain@bartok.CES.CWRU.Edu (Ashish Jain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cleveland Browns vs. Albert Belle
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:01:15
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, CWRU, Cleveland OH.
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In-reply-to: dward@scf.nmsu.edu's message of Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:40:13 GMT


On Sunday (09/06) Cleveland Indians played Seattle Mariners. In that
game Albert Belle (Indian's Outfielder) scored 3 home runs and had 4
RBIs.

The final score was

  Albert Belle 	         4 
  Cleveland Browns	 3

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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: NFL Television Tidbits ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:16:49 GMT


Living in the Washington Redskins home market, this area is often left
out of big doubleheader matches when the Redskins are playing at home.
So, I am familiar with the woes felt in Buffalo, Chicago, and any other
city whose stadium often sells out.  Let me see if I can offer a little
insight to the way things work ...

When the market team is at home, that MARKET area is restricted to ONE
GAME per network ... REGARDLESS of whether the game is a sellout.  If the
game sells out prior to kickoff minus 72 hours, then the network which
would cover the game MUST SHOW THAT GAME to the home market.  This means
if that network is part of a doubleheader, then they cannot show the
second (or first) game to the HOME market.

The REGIONAL viewing area will generally get to see that team play, but
is not subject to the same restrictions as the HOME viewing area.
However, if the team is playing the second game of the network doubleheader
and the first game runs late, the regional area WILL NOT BE SWITCHED OVER
UNTIL THE FIRST GAME COMPLETES !!   I learned that in 1983 (while attending
school in SW Virginia) when the Skins-Pokes were both at 12-2, playing for
what would be the NFC East title ... geez, that 49er-Bill game was a joke.

Back to the HOME viewing market one game per network rule ... I can
understand it when the home team does not sell out.  But once the sellout
is confirmed, then the home market should receive the second game,
especially if the other network HAS NO GAMES in the other time slot from
the home sellout.  This often happens when an AFC team comes into DC for an
early game, it is NBC's doubleheader week, and CBS has no late games
scheduled due to either US Open Tennis or baseball playoffs.  This becomes
real frustrating here.

If anyone can provide insight onto that, I would love to know why ...


Bob - no problem this year, though ... Denver is here on Monday night and
      the Raiders play here on a Saturday    :-)

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Merrino Breaks Hearts in Claveland.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:27:01 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <20341@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>Dan Merrino brought back painful memmories of the "ELWAY-DRIVE" in
...
>given up by the Browns in the Merrino-Drive, else, the game
>
>Boy.... I HATE MERRINO!!!!!!!!     
>

Who the HELL is MERRINO????  Oh, maybe you mean Dan Marino, the Quarterback
for the Dolphins???

>S.H
>Go Vikes


-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:43:06 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <92253.105427PMONGEAU@MIAMIU.BITNET>, PMONGEAU@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
> Turn down the sound and listen to the radio.  Do Buck and Stram still do
> MMF on radio?

Yes, but they're terrible too. :-(  Buck sounds like a slow-on-the-uptake
old fart gargling with gravel, and Stram is the worst example of if-I-were-
still-coaching-I-woulda school of color commentary.  They're so cheesy, it
makes me ill.

Better yet, turn DOWN the volume and put on some music.  Classical (pretend
you're watching The Best of NFL Films), rock-n-roll, any music goes great
with football on TV.  Try it, you might like it!
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (jon blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:01:12 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt)
Organization: Your Organization Goes Here

No, I don't beleive John Madden sucks as an announcer.  IMO, he
is one of the best color men in all of sports.

Pointing out good tailgaters is funny.  That is PART of what
a color commentator is.  Not only does John Madden know football(
see Raiders team of the 80's), he sees it in a perspective few have
ever done which is why he is interesting.

I don't know the what the situation was when Madden said the team
didn't want an interception, but there are cases where this is true.
For instance, late in a game, the team trailing by four points 
elects to gamble on fourth down.  If the ball is thrown deep and 
the defense intercepts, the leading team could be trapped against its
own endzone instead of having the ball via downs around the fifty.

My $.02.

-Jon
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From: hall@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:29:46 GMT

>Say what ? Let's keep the debate within reality. The arguement above
>has for something that did happen and the receiver should have gotten
>credit for, but did not because a ref f*cked up. That is the same
>thing when a bad call costs you the game. It can and does affect paychecks.
>That's an extra INT that Aikman has (after Monday night) that he clearly
>should not have had. And that affects his QB rating. If he has a contract
>like Warren Moon used to, that affects his paycheck in a MAJOR way.

You're totally ignoring the fact that half the time the refs are going to
blow it in the other direction and give credit for a TD where the
receiver was actually out of bounds, etc.

Then what about all of the times when interference was not called when
it obviously should have been, or holding, or whatever.

At best, IR was always selective.

I was  in favor of it when it was first introduced but after
watching it in action for several years and then watching this year's
games, I have to conclude that it took a lot of the excitement out of
the game and was often responsible for killing the momentum and 
flow of the game - both things which add to the excitement and drama
of the game.

So, I say - good riddance. Unless we can get ALL of the rules
enforced correctly and immediately, we're better off accepting the
fact that referees are human and part of the game - their mistakes
are just as much a part of the game as coaches and players.

>And replays are even shown at stadiums. And even a person who doesn't
>even know the rules of football gets a little involved when seeing a
>game live with 70,000 fans booing...

Yeh, isn't that great!!!!! Why would you want to take a stadium full
of crazed fans out of the game???

Philip Hall
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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: Colts starter vs Houston
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:50:37 GMT

In article <minor.716153478@coal8> minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor) writes:

>. . . but has Jack Trudeau looked that good ? I never remember him
>looking that great...

IMHO Jack is inconsistent.  I have seen some games where he looked so
good that I thought the Colts were becoming a major offensive power.
I have also seen games where he was unbelievably inept.  Unfortunately,
his bad games out number his good ones.

Ed

-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
egg@inuxy.att.com
From: george@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tazmanian Devil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TO ERNST SANDJORD
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:29:42 GMT
Organization: Tazmanian Devil Appreciation Society

Ernst...

This is the only way I can talk to you, I suppose.  I have tried to mail you
at orakel@stud.hsn.no, but it bounced.  

Well, the bad news is that the Raiders lost ;-(  it was a good game, 17-13.

Anyway, if you get this, then respond, then we will figure out what to do 
next.

George
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 01:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.183040.12666@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg) writes:
>I do agree that replay
>takes way too much time, but  I think it is a great addition to the game.
>
>I do however think that the NFL should do this allow each team to have
>two calls looked at per half.  It must be a reasonable play so that they cannot
>use them as time outs.  Also to avoid this only allow two time outs per team
>per half.
>
>What do you all think?

I think we're all going to have to be bored to death with someone bringing
this same question up for the next 17 weeks...

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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 03:21:42 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<vamplew.716108281@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) :
>In <x-tnrz=.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>>>How come the 'blown' calls affect the players paycheck?  If you are a
>>>good player, you will stay that way even if a touchdown you made is 
>>>called back because some holding took place.
>
>>Incentive clauses.  Ok, I'm a receiver whose contract reads: If I make
>>15 or more TDs in the regular season I get a 50k bonus.  Last game of
>>the year, last quarter and I've got 14 TDs.  Pass comes my way, back of
>>the endzone, I catch it and get both feet in bounds.  But wait!  The
>>offical rules that I only got one foot in bounds.  We win game but blown
>>call costs me $50,000!!
>
>I don't see this as an argument for instant reply.

Keep in mind I was responding to a person asking how a blown call effects
paychecks, OK?

>                                                   Consider this situation.
>I'm a receiver with the same contract, I have 14 TDs etc. Late in the last 
>game of the season I shed my cover and run wide open in the end-zone where
>the qb overthrows me by six feet. We win the game but the blown throw costs
>me $50,000!!
>
>Would you suggest that we have an Instant Rethrow rule so that I can get
>another shot at making my bonus? I hope not. 

No, I'm not.  The poor throw is part of the game, we pay to see the
players play and good plays and poor plays stand.  We don't pay for some
official to be staring right at the bounced ball and a player falling on
top of the "interceptor", only to rule it legal.

>                                             Whether the NFL keeps Instant
>Replay or not is going to be determined not by players' salary structure, 
>not by whether teams win games on bad calls but on whether it makes the
>game more entertaining or not. And this comes down to your definition of
>entertainment.

I disagree.  People and owners got disgruntled with so many poor calls
costing their teams playoff money and appearances.  That's why IR came
into being, not to add entertainment value on its own.

>I suspect people strongly involved in football are more likely to like IR
>because it gives their team a "fair" chance, whereas casual football fans
>are more likely to be against IR because it slows the game down. In the
>end it comes down to which group of people the NFL think constitute the
>majority of the market. (Assuming of course that the NFL owners are
>rational beings and not the pig-headed idiots that they for the most part
>actually are).

Well, if many of the egotistical owners find themselves losing games on
bad officiating, or see gate receipts suffer because of it, they will
reinstate it.  As it is, I don't believe it to be fair.

Gordon
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