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From: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Whats a LEAD-CALCIUM battery?
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:18:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

From article <1992Jul21.143032.27210@ll.mit.edu>, by wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro):
> 
>   There's no problem --- you have a lead-acid battery.  The lead is
> alloyed with other metals, and those metals modify the characteristics
> of the battery.  Calcium is used in some, antimony in others.
>


I don't want to be TOO picky but since when is calcium a metal?  Gel
cells are lead-calcium?  Is there some reference you could point out
so that the rest of us could read about them?  I have the `GE Nicad Book'
which is absolutely invaluable in dealing with them and understanding
them even if much of what is presented is empirically derived.  Is there
such a beast for Gel cell, Lead Acid, Lead Calcium or whatever?

Bob
From: oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: music over the radio
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:19:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

rliles@heimdall.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ray Liles) says:

>Why is it everyone tries to ignore rules or find loop holes?
>If you simply checkout Part 97 you will find the following:
>97.115 Music prohibited.
>The transmission of music by an amateur station is forbidden.


>Now, how simple can you get!  It didn't list any exceptions (autopatch music,
>etc.).  It doesn't allow *any* room for interpretation.  It doesn't say
>*broadcast*  it says *transmission* of music.  So, until the rules are changed,
>let's try to abide by them.

So is it OK to play the bagpipes over the air?

(with apologies to any GMs on the net)


Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 
oo7@emx.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: m_fisk@apsicc.aps.edu (Michael Fisk)
Subject: Re: HTX202 in shop since June 8  8-( 8-(
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:24:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: apsicc.aps.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9207201654.AA00853@cs.utexas.edu>, PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter Laws, N5UWY) writes...
>I wonder if anyone has had this same problem:  the keyboard acted like someone
>would intermittently push the # key.  This is a big problem on the '202 because
>the key is also the <up> key for channel select, vfo tune, and menu select.
>The only time it didn't do the Mystery Keypress was when transmitting, ie. no
><#> transmitted.
>So I took it into the RadShack where it was purchased and they said "no problem
>it'll be back next week, 2 weeks, tops".  Needless to say the needed part was
>bo'd and I won't get back until next week at least.
> 
>Anyone else have similiar experiences??

Yep.

I bought one at local store here.  It would work fine until you'd had it on
for a few hours.  Then it would go into a really slow scan mode.  Every few
seconds (inconsistant interval) it would jump up a frequency step.  The tune
knob stopped working too.

If I turned the thing off for the night, it would work fine the next morning...
for a while.

I took it back to the Radio Shack I bought it at and they arranged for me to
pick-up another one at a different local store (they didn't have any more in 
stock).

Didn't cost me anything other than a few minutes driving time and gas...

My new one is doing fine.

- Michael Fisk
  m_fisk@apsicc.aps.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kwmc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ken.cochran)
Subject: mobile 146/440 antenna recommendations
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:37:26 GMT
Keywords: what would you recommend

I'm looking to put a dualband antenna on my car, and wonder what
people would recommend given the following constraints ...

	Must handle > 45 W  transmit
	good efficient radiator at or near the horizon
	not glass mounted
	as much gain as possible
	the shorter the better
	low cost
	black anodized finish preferred

I've heard that Larsen make good antennae ... what do people think
of Comet (and their new B series antennae)
From: stone@Apple.COM (Glen "CRASH" Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Re; ICOM IC-2SRA
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:38:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Jul28.234329.6312@oakhill.sps.mot.com> roman@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Roman Robles) writes:
>
>The literature I have says that the radio will receive 25-950 MHz,
>but it seems deaf outside 50-900MHz. (even though the synthesizer
>seems to lock properly from 25-950). I have found very few birdies
>

I use mine to listen to CHP in the 42mhz band- no problems. I've made my own
antennas as the stock antenna is useless. Also, you can buy BNC to 1/8 
connectors thereby allowing you to use your favorite antenna. I`ve also
been able to recieve the new cordless phones in the 900 mhz band.

-Glen
KD6IOB
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: coleve@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: code help
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:14:46 GMT

In article <25084@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, thomasjr@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (James Thomas) writes:
> I have tried the tapes and computer to get the code from 10WPM to 13WPM with
> terrible results.  Are there any general class code classes out there?
> 
I knew a fellow who got his Phd (no kidding) with a thesis on morse code
learning.(*)  Since I was having the same problem as you, I asked him about it.

He said to turn the code character speed up to at least 26 W.P.M., so you
can't count the dots and dashes but have to learn the sound of the whole
character.

It worked for me.
-- 
-- Vern Cole -- Systems Manager -- Utah Valley Community College -- KF7XM

(*) It was the late Robert Hall, Phd.  KE7RB
From: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: tough life?
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:34:34 GMT
Reply-To: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann) writes:
>In article <76540@ut-emx.uucp> oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) whinges:
> >tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny) complains:
> >
> >>You say you've got it tough?
> >
> >>When I was a novice, we didn't have telegraph keys;
> >
> >Light switches?  Looxury, lad, looxury!   We had to get up at 6 a.m.
> >and carve cats' whiskers out of blocks of galena.

SORRY 'BOUT THIS BUT ...  One doesn't carve cats whiskers out of blocks
of galena.  The cats whisker is the spring steel wire used for contacting
the surface of the galena crystal.  Of course, one could carve the CRYSTAL
from a block of galena.

Don't mean to be picky, but, hey guys, we gotta let these young
whippersnappers know the straight skivvy 'bout this stuff, right??
I mean, how many radios today can be operated without batteries or any
other means of power??  And my slide rule is still going strong without
a battery change even after all these years.

Anyway, as one of the oldsters who ACTUALLY REMEMBERS poking around
the surface of a galena/iron pyrites crystal with a cats whisker, and
suddenly hearing the old WFBR station (Baltimore) in the "cans", I just
want to thank the originator and all the contributors who have added
to these postings.

R.I.P., Graham Chapman!

    73!      Ken Stuart
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
From: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Subject: Re: Whats a LEAD-CALCIUM battery?
Originator: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:30:32 GMT


In article <1992Jul20.210054.3244@midway.uchicago.edu>, gary@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Gary Mr.OS/2 Buchholz) writes:
|> 
|> I just bought a 12 AH 12V battery for use with some radio gear.  When it
|> arrived I thought it would be a typical lead acid battery.  Looking at the 
|> specs for the battery its a LEAD-CALCIUM battery.
|> 
|> So, how is a lead-calcium battery different from a lead-acid battery?  Am
|> also looking for info on the shelf life and estimated number of (charge/
|> discharge) cycles for the life of the cell.
|> 
|> ...
|> 

  There's no problem --- you have a lead-acid battery.  The lead is
alloyed with other metals, and those metals modify the characteristics
of the battery.  Calcium is used in some, antimony in others.
The sealed lead-acid batteries ("gell cells" are a subset of these)
commonly used by hams for small standby or portable installations are
the lead-calcium type.

  Contact your battery's manufacturer and ask for a copy of their
databook.  Panasonic prints a particularly nice one, called something
like "The Panasonic Lead-Acid Battery Handbook."  I got mine for free
from a local battery dealer.


73

Bill Chiarchiaro  N1CPK
wjc@ll.mit.edu
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom battery problem
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:48:54 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <Brqq1A.BGK@DMI.USherb.CA> bedaj00@DMI.USherb.CA (JOEL BEDARD) writes:
>   I just buy a old Icom 2AT gear and i got a question:
>   I got with it a BC-30 charger, BP-5 and a BP-8.
>   How many time that should i charge each battery?
>   There are two leds ( Pwr et chg ),
>   does the light chg shutdown when the battery is full charge?

That is correct. The charger senses the temperature rise in the battery
when it reaches full charge and shuts off.

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pcl@engrserver.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Subject: Re: music over the radio
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:15:42 GMT

Hmmm... if I digitze music, uuencode it (being careful not to *encrypt* it...),
then send it to by buddy via packet (ax.25 or tcp/ip, I'm not picky [yet]), is 
it still against the rules????         




8-)
                
Peter Laws            |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|    pcl@engr.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.na| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  | plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: jga@dreaml.wariat.org (Jon Anhold N8USK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LIDS?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:06:49 EDT
Organization: Dreamland UUCP - Cleveland, Ohio 44116-1502

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the significance of ''LIDS''?

73..Jon N8USK

--
-Jon Anhold N8USK- at Dreamland UUCP
(...{uunet|backbone}!dreaml!jga) (jga@dreaml.wariat.org)
"It's a fax from your dog, Mr. Dansworth. It looks like your cat." - Far Side
From: cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: RE: New Radio Shack Scanner(not BOGUS)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:16:55 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Hmm.... Once again an incorrect answer from an RS person.

The PRO-43 DOES cover the 6m band.


Freqs available (unmodified) in Mhz

 30 - 54
118 - 174
220 - 512
806 - 823.9375
851 - 868.9375
896 - 999.9875

I'm reading those numbers directly from the back of my PRO-43.

----
Some people are becoming so stressed about the release of one RS product (the
PRO-43).

I don't believe the PRO-43 was intended to compete with the Icom's or the
AOR1000XLT(?).  It just simply what the PRO-37 should of been, just a little
late.....

Later,

Brad Steinman
University of Toledo Computer Services
cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:53:59 GMT
Subject: Re: PA stage: bipolar vs. FET
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:

>alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
>...  When the FET is biased in the linear region,
>>the current is controlled by the gate voltage.  With constant gate
>>voltage, the drain current INCREASES with temperature.  
>>So how come FET's don't have thermal runaway problems too?

>(Is this an open book test? :-)

>According to Motorola's Application Note 860, "Power MOSFETs versus Bipolar
>Transistors" (wasn't that one of the Godzilla movie titles?), ``All MOSFETs
>can in theory have a positive temperature coefficient on the gate threshold
>voltage.  This means that the gate threshold voltage increases with
>temperature, trying to "turn the devcice off."  

Interesting.  I opened my Motorola Power Mosfet databook to a random page
in the center, specs on an MTM5N95.  The Graph of gate threshold voltage
with temperature shows it linearly decreases from 1.17V at -50 degC to
.72V at 150 degC.  Flipping through the pages, every other device I see
has a similar response.

>In addition the g(m) will
>decrease, which also helps in preventing thermal runaway, which is commonly
>a problem with bipolars.  The coefficient of the gate threshold voltage is
>also a function of the drain current.  Normally the coefficient is negative
>at low current levels, and turns positive at higher currents.  

I think this is the answer.  (Although I'm not sure exactly what is meant
by high-current threshold voltage, since the th. voltage is defined as the
gate voltage where the drain current just turns on.)  The same data sheet 
shows that the variation of drain current has a positive TC at low currents 
and a negative TC at high currents.

Thanks for the info.

AL N1AL

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: frieder@roxanne.stgt.sub.org (Frieder Loeffler)
Subject: Looking for TRX suitable for 9k6 Packet
Reply-To: floeff@tunix.mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de
Organization: Roxanne, Markgroeningen, Germany
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:08:21 GMT

Hi,

I hope this is not an FAQ. I'm planning to buy a 430MHz TRX for Packet Radio,
and thought it would be a good idea to see wich models are suitable for Packet
Radio with 9600 Baud.

Especially, I would like to hear _any_ experiences with the following Rigs:

- Alinco DJ570
- Alinco 419E
- Kenwood TM441E
- Yaesu FT712RH
- Icom IC449E

Thanks in Advance,

Frieder
DG1SEK

-- 
  Frieder Loeffler (DG1SEK), Bergweg 6, 7145 Markgroeningen-Talhausen, Germany.
       Tel.: +49 7145 7455 (Q), +49 7145 5410   Fax: Nach Vereinbarung.
               frieder@roxanne.stgt.sub.org    IRC: Cubitus             
            Internet: floeff@tunix.mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de
From: steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2-m Repeaters
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:42:47 GMT
Organization: Steven Watt, Consultant   San Jose, CA, USA

In article <1992Jul20.151454.13584@news.iastate.edu> wjturner@iastate.edu (William J Turner) writes:
>Does anyone know of anywhere there is a repeater directory on the net.
>Specifically, I am looking for 2-m repeaters between Des Moines, Iowa, and
>Knoxville, Tennissee, via St. Louis, Mo., and Murray, Kentucky.
>-- 
>Will Turner,  N0RDV		 --------------------------------
>wjturner@iastate.edu		| Whatever the mind can conceive |
>twp77@isuvax.iastate.edu	| and believe, it can achieve.   |
>TURNERW@vaxld.ameslab.gov	 --------------------------------

I suppose it's time for the commercial again. :)

I'm trying to build up just such a database.  However, I still haven't heard
from the various people who were working on client programs to deliver the
data to the net.  I am also trying to gather data, send a message with the
word "help" in the body to repeaters@wattres.sj.ca.us.

If you have good ideas (and time to help!) on what/how to do a client that
would allow queries like this to be answered, please let me know.  I suspect
that the longitude/lattitude info that I require would make answering such
queries _much_ easier, since you can draw a line and do some interpolation
and distance finding to that line.  Or you could program in the _entire_
highway database, but that would probably be extreme.

Anyhow, talk to repeater owners in your area!  Get the information!
SEND IT IN!!!!  I have all of 37 entries.

(end of commerical)

73 de KD6GGD
-- 
Steve Watt  KD6GGD     steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US
 ...!apple!wattres!steve  ...!mips!wattres!steve  ...!decwrl!gigo!wattres!steve
Left to his own devices, he'd be /dev/null.
From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <cchapman.88.712245509@matd.gatech.edu> cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman) writes:
 >
 >
 >Why does comp.dcom.telecom have to have a moderator anyway?  It's only
 >purpose seems to be to give this Pat guy the opportunity to play god and
 >control the discussion.  I think someone should start a new unmoderated
 >dcom group so there can be free and open discussion on the subject.  I
 >know there is an alt.dcom group but not everyone has access to the alt
 >groups.
 >
 >Chuck, WB4UIH

Comp.dcom.telecom has an enormous volume of traffic even after moderation!
Pat, im my opinion, does a very good job in keeping the discussions to the
point whilst allowing varying viewpoints to be expressed. From what I can tell,
after about 4 years of reading that group, any the effect of 'moderation'
is to discourage frivolus postings, ratbag postings, and repetative ramblings.
I have seen no attempt to censor criticisms of the moderators work, from
those who believe they have been aggrieved, indeed he seems to bend over
backwards sometimes to be, and be seen to be, fair.

As you point out, there is the alt group for the dis-satisfied customer.

-- 
Michael Katzmann	  >	Broadcast Sports Technology Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	 <	Crofton, Maryland. U.S.A
Amateur Radio Stations:   >
NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV	 <	opel!vk2bea!michael@uunet.uu.net
From: lee@pranny.UUCP (Lee Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Details of BCD format needed!
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:26:56 GMT
Organization: Pranny International, Inc.

Anyone out there happen to know of any definitive source
of data on the BCD format?  Trying to do some translation.
Books, papers, etc., all leads gratefully accepted.

                            Thanks,
                                    Lee.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mahaun@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Haun)
Subject: Keplerian elements forwarded from packet -- necessary?
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:35:08 GMT

During the past several weeks, I have observed at least one site
regularly posting AMSAT keplerian elements taken off of the packet
network.  Are these people aware that Usenet already is provided
with [much more useful and complete] element sets from TS Kelso
every week?

I don't mean to be rude or offend anyone, but the practice of
forwarding timely information from packet onto Usenet seems absurd
when we already have dedicated people directly on the network
providing the same information.  I can understand the ARRL
bulletins, etc. for which there currently is no other source, but
the latest set of AMSAT elements posted here on the 20th of July
took well over TWO WEEKS (!) just to traverse our pitiful packet
network before arriving on Usenet.  Needless to say, many elsets
are practically worthless in such a stale condition...

We now return you to your regularly scheduled
HF_code_req./QRP_in_QST/rude_hams/RS_bashing flamewars...


-- 
 Mark A. Haun  KJ6PC  | INTERNET: mahaun@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
  3445 Del Mesa Ct.   | UUCP: {ames | apple | sun}!pacbell!sactoh0!mahaun
Sacramento, CA  95821 |
   +1 916 488 2965    |
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 27 Jul 1992 16:14:56 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <jwlm0z=.stevew@netcom.com> stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson) writes:
>One, you have to be a member because that lets you take part in the
>second aspect..voting.  The folks who RUN the league are the directors.
>They are elected officials.  The people that vote are the voices that
>are heard.  (though phone calls do keep the issues ever present in
>their minds ;-)

Election of directors is a binary thing - either the dude gets
re-elected or he doesn't.  There's no space on the ballot to say to him
"get in your time machine and go back six months and change your vote
on XXX or I'll vote against you."  It is the responsibility of ARRL
directors to pay attention to what all of the ham community wants, not
just ARRL members.

Remember, the ARRL claims to represent ALL hams, not just those who send
them money.  Or are they just lying about this too?

So, the only way to influence a League director's position is to fail to
re-elect him after the damage is done?  No, if the directors aren't
listening between elections, the system's already bankrupt.  At some
point it becomes impossible to work within a system, and the system
has to be replaced.

As it stands, I believe that the ARRL has failed in its duty to ham
radio.  I don't believe it can change enough to repair that failure, so
I'm voting against it by not supporting it.  I'd like to see it
replaced with an organization that is more responsive, and I've
supported a few of those fledgling attempts.  Unfortunately, they've
all failed - the ARRL is too deeply entrenched.  But I can hope.
	- Brian
From: doug@kronos.nisd.cam.unisys.com (Doug Hardie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68 ARLB068
Date: 24 Jul 1992 12:23:29 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


Comment from Trey, WN4KKN/6

> When I hear people starting to get shrill about getting youngsters
> involved in ham radio, I often take note, especially when they start
> talking about CW being an obsticle.  I think this problem with the
> heavy language is much more of an issue than CW for kids.  CW is

I have to agree.  I have three kids that have received licenses.  The
code was not a significant problem - it just took some time.  None of 
them understood the theory.  I spent a lot of time with them trying to
put it in terms that they could handle.  It was not easy, and very
frustrating.  The kids had no problem understanding why they had to
memorize the code.  But, they ended up memorizing the answers to the
question pool and didn't understand what the benefit of that was.

-- Doug  WA6VVV
From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [ANS] Reciprocal Licences in the U.K
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:44:45 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <9207240106.AA21112@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil> jdelancy@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil writes:
>>In other words UK class B > US technician hence no reciprocity. 
>>
>Not so sure that's correct.  Talk to N3KIP (aka G8VUK) in Waldorf
>Maryland.  He came over with the British verison of a no-code
>and had recip previliges BEFORE the FCC came out with the no-code
>ticket.
>

The discussion was regarding reciprocal licences in the UK.
(Since the requirements for the class B are more than that of a US technician,
 the FCC doesn't have a problem).

-- 
Michael Katzmann	  >	Broadcast Sports Technology Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	 <	Crofton, Maryland. U.S.A
Amateur Radio Stations:   >
NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV	 <	opel!vk2bea!michael@uunet.uu.net