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From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:57:40 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

> Someone just informed me that the name of the show is Hairy and the 
> Hendersons. Sorry about that.
> John Winston

You're forgiven. We're far enough away from there that even if we had a
TV, which we don't, that wouldn't be on it. :-). The world is a big
place :-). A good deal larger than the average human skull. Interesting
coincidence! 

Actually we're having more trouble with Black Bears this season than
with Abominable Snowmen. Just last month I pulled over in one of those
picnic areas on highway 17 between Thunder Bay and the Sault, had to
take a leak you know, and this bear cub jumped on the bonnet of my car.
Which would have been ok if I'd been in the car, which I wasn't . . .

Nice bear, cute bear, wonderful cuddly little bear, now get the bloody
hell out of my way PLEASE! All the while seriously worried about where
Ma Bear was 'cos as everybody knows you DO NOT want to get between Ma
and her cubs. 

Well I kinda eased up to the passenger door of my Pontiac, unlocked it
(thank GOD I had the key) and eased in. Stuck the key in the ignition,
reached over  V*E*R*Y S*L*O*W*L*Y and pulled the driver's door closed,
hit the button that closes the windows and started breathing again.

All the while the cub was watching me studiously. Then I hit the horn
and the bear hit the turf at a run removing only a modest amount of
paint from the car.

So what's this got to do with the New Age Religions? About as much as
your average Snowman in your average moutain in your average California
I figure. It was a spiritual experience.

Oops, this was Ontario, not California. I guess it must be off topic . .
.

Sorry.

<hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge> <did someone say this was an
international conference *not* local to the San Francisco Bay? HERESY!>

So John, how many beaver have you caught on your trap line so far this
winter? And have you figured out how the sasquatch manage to navigate
three metres of snow without snowshoes? *I'd* like to know *that* trick!

Oops, am I off topic again?

=Doug <the one with the big smile and the big beaver trap>

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From: harold@fwi.uva.nl (Harold A.J.M. Schellinx)
Subject: Purgatory
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:18:31 GMT

                       PURGATORY EXISTS !!!!!
                     ==========================

       A mathematical proof of the existence of Purgatory is
       claimed by a team of Dutch mathematicians from the Centre
       for Mathematics and Computer Science and the University of
       Amsterdam. Their results appear in a monograph entitled

                  "Das Fegefeuer-Theorem"
                       -------------
                       DE PURGATORIO

                  Eschatologische Axiomatik
                            zum
                      transorbitalen
                     Suendenmanagement

       published by Libelle-Verlag, Bottighofen am Bodensee,
       ISBN 3-909081-55-X.
       The authors are J.A.P. Heesterbeek, J.M.A.M. van Neerven
       and H.A.J.M. Schellinx.
       The monograph is written in academic German, with an
       extensive mathematical Appendix in English.

       We cite the English Condensation:

            'This book gives the Deomathematical description
             of Sinning. You, reading this summary in a book-
             shop, should stare into your deepest Ego and
             contemplate whether your Sin-load is bigger than
             10 (jokes about the Royal Family (UK readers) or
             Dan Quayle (US readers) already drive it above
             25) while your Extensional Soulbalance is below
             0. Do not contemplate too long though, the book-
             seller has noticed you and wonders if you really
             will buy. Your Soulsearch reveals that You, Reader,
             are a Sinner. It is then good to know that we
             rigorously prove that Purgatory exists. Buying this
             book will favourably influence your personal
             grill-time.'

       The 'Sommaire Prospective (1758)':

             'Votre Altesse trouvera dans ce Trait'e des matieres
              de Th'elogie, de Philosophie & de Math'ematique,
              mani'ees avec beaucoup d'habilit'e & de d'elicatesse:
              elles sont toutes de votre sphere ces matieres.'


     (Price: DM 19,==, approx. US$ 13,==)
=============================================================================
ALL INFORMATION: hees@cwi.nl
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Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
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From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:27:48 GMT

In <67067@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>  So that's it folks. Would a dolphin lie?

Not a *dolphin*, no. I think I just heard a human lie though. This piece
reads like an unusually clumsy public service announcement.

  P: "Hello Doctor. I have just cut my finger"
  D: "Hello Patient. My that is a shame. Have you had your tetanus shots?"
  P: "No Doctor. Do you think that would be a good idea?"
  ...

>John Winston


							Steve Taylor
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Sexuality & Religion
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:18:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Uep_EU600WBKM5pmMW@andrew.cmu.edu>, ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Perrin Slease) writes:
> consider themselves both Christian and New Age.  What is your perception
> of the teaching of New Age:  Is "Do what thou will shall be the whole of
> the law" compatible with obediance to God?  
Do what thou wilt... is a constantly misinterpreted injunction.  It's
deeper implication is to get past all the programmatic responses and 
ideas placed in your head by parents and society, to discover what 
your True Will is. The idea is that before you can hear, feel,
whatever, what your true will is, you have to get rid of all the
interference. But after all, isn't that the case for giving obedience
to God.  I hope you don't take listening to your clergy the same as
giving obedience to God.  I may call it true will, you may call it
God, but it is all the same.  As Jung said, free will is doing gladly
that which we must do.
			-Lorenzo
-- 
"the Hell Law states that hell is reserved  
for those that believe in it, with the          Lorenzo Farris
lowest rung of hell being reserved for          farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
those that believe in it on the supposition 
that they will go there if they don't"      
        -Principia Discordia                
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: ACIM Mailgroup
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:51:42 GMT

Is there A Course In Miracles Newsgroup?  Could someone mail me the address?
THANK YOU! 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler)
Subject: Re: Scientology
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21:28:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.014329.1930@access.digex.com> chipg@access.digex.com  
(Chip Gallo) writes:
>  
> >5) What about L. Ron Hubbard?  I've heard alot of nasty things about  
him.
> >  Just judging from the back of the "Dianetics" book, he looks like a 
> >  gangster.
> 
> Who have you heard nasty things from? Sorry you don't like the photo . . 

Well, I for one have heard nasty things about L.Ron Hubbard.  I saw a  
whole documentary on French TV, on people who got screwed over of about  
200 thousand french francs ($40 000 about) over many years, by being told  
to buy such and such bogus "scientology" instruments and books and  
cassettes and what not.  There is something wrong in it all, why the  
money....
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:13:34 GMT

Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:

: If Hindusim and Buddhism are doing today as they have always done, they
: are not doing "just fine".  In India, people are starving as a result
: of rats eating roughly 1/3 of their crops they produce.  Due to hinduism
: they refuse to control the rat population on the account that it may be
: a grandpa working of his karma.  Traditionally the caste system has
: been used to keep the rich and wealthy in power generation after
: generation and the poor in deep poverty.....all due to a superstitious 
: belief of karma and reincarnation.

You're confusing transmigration with reincarnation, Arnold.  Transmigration
is (as far as I know) unique to Hinduism and its offshoots (which, BTW, does
NOT include Buddhism).  Besides, Christ preached about karma, and the Jews
at that time believed in reincarnation.

: Buddhism:  People in asia are starving, and people don't care...another
: result in the belief that it is due to you.  Christians are the only
: ones caring for other people because of true love for people as people,
: and not a silly superstitious belief in reincarnation or sins of a past
: lifetime.

I seriously doubt your claim.  There are hundreds of thousands of people
working for relief agencies all around the world, and they can't ALL be
Christians.

: No, people have not been doing "fine" for a millenia before Jesus came.
: That is why Jesus came so we "can have life and have it abundantly".

Yeah ... so we could have the Inquisition (not limited to Eurpoe, BTW),
which includes the Salem "witch" fiasco.  What a mess.

Of course, it could be argued that the abuse of church power led to these
abuses, not the teachings of Christ itself.

If he's coming back, I sure wish he'd hurry up, and end all this religious
posturing on t.r.na. :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:41:42 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

John Emery writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.055348.2124@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.193913.1366@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>>>Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
>>>
>>>: An omission or addition is *not* a contradiction.
>>
>>	An addition can contradict something already present.
>>
>>   The fact that
>>>: we have three separate accounts that share the main details made
>>>: by three authors at three different times gives veracity.  More so the
>>>: fact that we have 40 authors over 1500 years on 3 continents that say
>>>: one message that man is sinful and needs a savior adds veracity.
>>
>>	The OT does not claim that were are all miserable sinners in
>>desperate need of salvations. Ask your Jewish friends about that :-)
>
>With this Scriptural information from the OT, I hope that it has become
>apparent that the OT does declare man to be lost in sin and that the
>coming of the Messiah would bring righteousness and salvation.

John, I suggest you speak for your own religion.  Having just
celebrated Yom Kippur, I feel very safe in saying that Judaism does
not declare man to be lost in sin.  Judaism affirms that each
person can handle his own account with G-d.

Judaism does not have the Christian concept of "original sin."


Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:35:40 EST

In article <1992Oct13.035505.14145@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
> Arnold E. Nordeng (nordenga@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
> : In article <Oct.8.07.01.10.1992.11684@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
> : >Number two, in Hindu and Buddhist belief, no creature is any more or
> : >any less important than a human is.  
> : Isn't that wonderful.  Hindu and Buddhist have just degraded humankind 
> : to that of maggots.  This human being is is no less or no more important
> : to that of a this or that maggot.  In Christianity, man is a unique creation
> : of a personal God and is an important creation of a personal God.
> Perhaps it could be better stated that "life, irrespective of its form,
> is valuable".  God made maggots, too, Arnold -- are you saying that God's
> creations are irrelevent?
[...]
> 
> No, you aren't here to "discuss" anything - you are here to tell us all how
> wrong we are for believing a different way than you believe, and to "prove"
> your moral superiority over non-Christians.  To approach a subject as
> immoral presupposes that your point of view is moral (or more moral than
> the other guys), but you haven't done that - you've used circular logic to
> attempt to "prove" your moral superiority, but all you've proven to everyone
> here is taht you're a religious bigot, an intolerant, no different than the
> Pharisees that your beloved Christ was so angry with.  "I never knew ye",
> Arnold...

Ed, thanks.  I think that your comments are right on.  

GXKambic
standard disclaimer
From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:09:11 GMT
Reply-To: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.

In article <71356@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt0009b@prism.gatech.EDU (rahim) writes:
|>  
|> 
|> Why is there so much emphasis on the master being physically alive?
|> 

I don't mean to imply that I'm agreeing with anything in the thread "The
Divine Masters", but I will take this one up...

If you are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to relate with a
living Master then you will immediately notice that one of the things he
does is to break you of any concepts you have formulated about what
living masters are like.  There is a strong tendency, when not checked
by real interactions with a real living master to "project" onto him and
create him as an "ideal" imaginary figure with an "ideal" personality. 
We can have our imaginary relationships saying and thinking things like,
"Well, Jesus probably would have....."  But what is that?  Just a
projection of ourselves.

A living master will not "take" your projections. He will break them down
very quickly, and his personality does not get engaged.

Some of us on the path will immediately notice that there is an enormous
difference with getting on about the death of ego and creating an ideal
personality.  "Death of ego" might be a little harsh or scary, not to
mention over-simplified and hence contradictory, but I think it a good
differentiator between  "spirituality" and "religion."  The goal of
spiritual seeking is not to create a really nice, warm, loving
personality that feels all good and fuzzy about the world.  It is rather
to die utterly to individuated consciousness so as to merge into unity
consciousness, whatever that is.  Words, just words.

According to Ramakrishna, the three greatest blessings are,

1.) to be incarnate (to have the opportunity to evolve)
2.) to be on the spiritual path while incarnate
3.) to be in the presence of a spiritual master.

He also maintained that final illumination usually required an impulse
from a living master.  Don't ask me why, or if it's true -- I don't have
the faintest idea, but he did say it.

Paul Collacchi
From: nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:57:12 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <1992Oct6.055348.2124@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>	JW's, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Moonies, (at least some)
>Unitarians, and apparently some Newagers consider themselves
>Christians, though not necessarily of a Fundamentalist sort; Arnold
>Nordeng has a rather narrow definition of Christianity, it seems.

So did Jesus.  For he stated:
Enter through the narrow gate.  For wide is the gate and broad is
the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.  But 
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a 
few will find it.

Jesus also said:
"Watch out that no one deceives you.  For *many* will come in my name 
claiming 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many."  
I guess Edgar Cayce, Sun Myung Moon, Jim Jones, Mary Baker Eddy,
Joseph Smith,  Shirley McClaine, Mohammed, etc. etc. etc. don't count.

Jesus also told of the earthquakes and famines that would accompany it.


>
>/Loren

-Arnold Nordeng
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From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:30:28 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

What did the supreme being use?  A BIC?

:-)
Phil
From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Becoming aware
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:13:10 GMT
Organization: Scientific Research Lab, Ford Motor Company
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Wonderful points, Darren, clearly & concisely stated.

Thank You!

-s
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:19:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67705@cup.portal.com> <67750@cup.portal.com>

Dear Fellow Travellers: The world looks a little better today. Maybe
we should think like the quote that was in the hippy song that someone
can probubly remember exactly; Undoubtedly as we look back on this time
a 100,000 years from now we will realize that things have been going
on just as they were meant to be.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:38:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: Too Tall Salley. 
  One of the readers of this Net is thinking about going to Africa again and 
while he's over there he may take a look at the  Ostrich People.  I was 
thinking that while he was over there he might as well look up a young lady 
of king size proportions.  
  Towering teen, Mildred Mobango drives all the men in her native village wild 
with lust and desire because the's a 10-foot-4 inch tall beauty who isn't 
done growing yet. 
  She sometimes wishes she wasn't so tall and she could be like everybody 
else. Doctors say she is the world tallest person. 
  Tallness is considered a great sign of beauty and power in some African 
societies. Tribesmen near Mildred's home in Simbabwe have bejun worshipping 
her as a goddess.
  Mildred is worshipped as a messenger from heaven because nobody has ever 
seen anyone like her before according to Dr. George Brichell, who brought 
the tremendous teen to the world's attention. 
  Brickell, a native of England, first met Mildred when she came to his clinic 
for immunization shots as an 11 year old.  She was 9foot-4 at the time. 
  They think she may get to be 15 feet tall by the time she is 16 years old. 
She is also probubly the strongest girl in the world. She is now 13 years 
old. I have seen a picture of her and she looks like a normal sized person 
except she is bigger than most people.  She is a black person.
  It might be good to contact the Los Angeles Laker basketball team and see if 
they are interested. 
Source of information: Sun August 7, 1990 page 2
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:38:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67705@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: I forgot to mention that today is OOBE wednesday but is 
now 8:37 PM wednesday. It's about time to blast off. 
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:43:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject; Two Chicks From Under Mt. Shasta.
  A month or so I borrowed a book and now I've lost it for the time being. In 
this book it talks about a very respected UFO researcher by the name of 
William Hamilton the third (what  a  name). He was explaining how he had met 
a young lady by the name of Bonnie from the inside of Mt. Shasta. She used 
to live 4 miles NW of my property and 1 or miles straight down.  Now I know 
a young lady from inside Mt. Shasta and she may be the same one that Bill 
knows (I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Hamilton but he is probubly 
a nice person).  My friend from inside Mt. Shasta from a city called Telos 
may be the same person he met.  Bill's friend is pretty with small teeth and 
I think she was born in 1951. Sharula, my friend, I believe she said to 
another person as I was listening to their private conversation, that she is 
about 256 but she looks 33 years old to me.  Bonnie is said to have almond 
shaped eyes. I don't remember anything about Sharula's eyes but boy can she 
hug.  I've seen her hug people and send goose bumps on their arm. I'll have 
to find that book and get back to you later.
Part 1.
John Winston