From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: RE: What is  H a m a s  ??
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:01:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A. Faris writes:

>In article <1hsejcINNf3k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ha
>za H. Salah) writes:
>|>
>|> Stop your lies about Islam and muslims.  I would like you to give me
>|> where in a Quran it says what Hamas is doing is wrong.

>My understanding of the Qur'an it says the following which supports Tamer's
>argument: "Kill those who try to destroy your faith". In this case his argument
>is based on the fact those Jews being killed by HAMAS are not destroying
>Islam they are rather occupying Palestine and that is a political conflict
>not a religious one.

Sorry to say that is your understanding is totally wrong.  Where in Quran
tht such a verse exist?  Go ahead and try to find one, maybe you will
prove to yourself that you know nothing about what islam teaches.

The most dangerous thing is to talk about something that you
don't know about.

>|>
>|> You're either one of these two , a jew or a christian who hates Islam and
>|> muslims -or- some idiot who just doesn't know what he is talking about.

>I think the time has come for you to calm down.

It is my business to calm down or not.  Actually the semester is
over for me now.  :-)
Anyways, Why don't you tell this to yourself and stop posting your
famous phrase, "Islam and all religion had failed thousand of years ago."
Did I tell you to calm down??

>Christians do not hate Islam.

Your posts and what goes on in Iraq, Bosnia, Algeria, Izerbajan, etc are
self-explanatory.  Dont come and tell me look at Somalia!  It is part
of their startegy: kill them in many countries and feed them in another,
just to decieve them.

>you are being educated by Christians and with books written by Christians.
>Christians hate do be discriminated against by Islam, and this is a fundemantal
>issue that you always fail to comprehend.

I can tell historical things on how much europe and the west benifited
from muslims, but lets leave that aside...

Really, what you are saying is reminding me of a story in the Quran about
Moses and Pharaon.  When Moses came and asked Pharaon to beleive in him
and asked him to send jews with him, Pharaon told him that how come you,
Moses, started making trouble and are not accepting me as your God.  He also
told him that you were among us and we raised you since you were a baby and
did so many favors for you, and now look what you are doing, you are not
appreciating what we've done to you.  -- The same like what you're telling
me, you are beign educated by christians --  Moses told him this:  How do you
compare this such a favour to what you are doing to the people of Israel who
you are killing and murdering their boys, making them slaves, and humilating
them.

-Al Hamdolilah Al thee Ja'alana Muslimeen and learn from Quran-

By the same token, my education doesn't count as a favor to what christians
are doing to muslims all over the world.  Like some jews argue that by
their little help to muslims in Bosnia, Palestine should be left for them.

France at time of conolizing Algeria, erased the arabic language from it
for 3 generations.  The algerian who used to get caught reading any arabic
paper would go to jail for 10-15 years.  Sabrah and Shatilah and the Gulf
war are not too far ago,  and stories go on and on.  This is the
christianity that has a favor on me.  If it were not for their cunning
and unfair policy in the middle east, I would have not been here.

> Christians hate the fact that Islam
>calls them "INFIDALS" when you are told to respect the Christian faith.
>Christians hate the fact that Islam calls them "Nejis" (dirty) when you are
>told to respect their faith.

Do you mean that Islam is contrudicting itself? Or do you mean
that I don't understand Islam?

>Christians hate the fact that Islam blocks them
>from participating in the political process to protect their land and families
>and be as productive as Muslims. I suggest that you read and educate yourself
>so that you know what are you talking about also.

You know very well that is not true.  Previous people explained to you
that Islam gives the people of the book full autonomy and they are free
to do whatever they like as long as there is no conflict with Islam values.
Islam had done this, and is going to do it.
If you don't like for the Islam to govern and be a major power, it is
a different story.

>|>
>|> If these two don't fit your description, prove otherwise.
>|>
>|> I would like you once to respond to a jew post, or is it really these
>|> muslims who you are after. huh?

>I think he is being objective and honest about his interpretation of his
>Islamic faith.

The same like you..

>|>

>|>
>|> Muslims don't have holdiays at this time of the year.
>|> However, it is ok if you're christian to say it for non-muslims.

>What is wrong with being festive?.
Christmas and Hanuka are not islamic.

>A.Faris
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