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From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Item about The Daemons on Tomorrow's World... yesterday.
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:29:26 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:

>In article <Bxyyun.GnI@newcastle.ac.uk> T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress) writes:
>>G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:


>>> 10 minutes later the item appeared, and I'm glad I got it taped as they showed
>>>how they went about it, with a split screen showing the final version on one
>>>side and the naff colour version on the other. I was VERY impressed with the
>>>quality of the picture. It seemed MUCH better than any of the other remaining
>>>colour Pertwees.

>It was rather exciting to watch the article (though the could have used
>a more interesting clip), just wondering whether they were going to
>mention Ian Levine by name or not. I wouldn't say the clip was better
>than other colour Pertwees - it was just slightly better than an
>American 525 recording (or a BBC video, come to that).

Certainly at lot worse than a 2" VT or Even an Off air recording on a high band
format of a 2" VT.  And it WAS worse than than an NTSC conversion (ie ep 1` of
sea devils).   The colourization was poorly done.  There are many bits
throughout in which the colour "misses" the B/W bits!  Watch the chap walking
the dog at the start.  He has 3 hands:-

1)  A B/W colour one.
2)  A B/W one
3)  An orange colour one!

>>5)It will be nice to compare the cliffhangers of Ep3-4 and 4-5 to see exactly
>>how well the colourization is. (4 is on 2" VT)
>I should expect that they would've used the original colour material
>wherever possible, so for the cliffhangers they'd just take it straight
>from Ep4. However, that said, maybe they won't if it makes the
>picture quality jump, and when they showed the trailer for it at
>Panopticon it looked as though they'd colourized the title sequences
>as well.

Maybe they colourized the cliffhangers with the 2" VT colour to stop the qual
jumping too much.  The titles looked completely rematered.

>It's good to see the BBC actually plugging Doctor Who for a change, but
>one can't help feeling that they're just trying to avoid anyone
>phoning in to complain about the picutre quality...
>				Jonathan Morris

 Graeme,


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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ytv could delete dw from
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:21:18 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

"dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:

- Dave:
-
- -> YTV looks set to cancel our beloved show.  Could we get someone out
- -> of the Toronto region such as Dale Clayton, Dan Bishop or Jason M
- -> confirm the status
-
-  There is no word here about that. Why do you think YTV is about to
- cancel DW?
-
- Regards,
- Dale Clayton
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When I last spoke to Michelle Lee, then the programming director of YTV, she
said in point form:

  - during prime time, ratings were low

  - everybody was videotaping the show for themselves.

  - this despite the fact DW is a "popular show", according to Michelle Lee.

  - Furthur, she used the above to justify the 2:30 a.m. PT/ET time slot.

  - ** She also says the after this run, DW may not be aired any furthur after
       this season, and that, during the time when Tomb WAS recovered, were
       NOT going to acquire it.

  Dale, Danial, Jason, this is why I posted a request for telephone
confirmation to YTV as  a) long distance charges have to be considered,
b) timing for me is shot.

Question: Can a favour be done?

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: dr. who calendar and visi
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.4153.14143@dosgate>, "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:
|> -> Is there some kind soul who is going to Visions that would be willing
|> -> to pick me up a 1993 Dr. Who Calendar?  I have been told by a few
|> -> people not to trust Who Enterprises.

This is a little late (gone all weekend, working all week...), but you can 
order the Calendar for $19.95 from the Friends of Doctor Who catalog as well.
The shipping is rather high for ONE item, but while you're there you might as
well grab a few more things. They still have in stock (as of Monday...) a few
more of each of those GUDI autographed tee-shirts - McCoy, C.Baker, and Sophie.

I don't have any info on the group handy, sorry... but they're based in 
Reading, PA. Believe the area code is 215. They will take phone orders for M/C
and Visa.

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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I just have a question
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:23:19 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov17.125938.5650@desire.wright.edu> tellenburg@desire.wright.edu writes:

>	Greetings!  I asked awhile ago if anyone knew if it was true that they
>are planning an eighth doctor.  I was not able to get back on this thing until
>today.  Did anyone answer?  
>	Just for opinion sake- I don't mind ACE.  Sarah Jane and Peri are the
>ones I violently abhore.  Both have nil brains and cause too many problems.
>	Well, I don't remember what I signed off as so I try something else.


>	Timelady Rogaenon-- explorer of the Shakespearean realm

>	"When to the sessions of sweet silent thought . . ." Shakespeare

(Imagine, if you will, the quiet but unmistakable sound of vampire fangs
being bared..........)

Now wait one moment, and think before you reply.  Peri was kind of
brainless, yes.....

....but if you have the audacity, poor judge of character (if you can't
understand Sarah Jane, best leave Falstaff alone), and sheer lack of
observation to call Sarah Jane Smith a "nil brain", YOU HAVE A FIGHT ON YOUR
HANDS.

And if you thought the Ace thing was bad, just you wait and see how this
debate flames!

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From: otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: PLanet of the Daleks
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:28:05 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

This weekend I just saw Planet of he Daleks and I was wondering what the
details are about the "missing" episode in this story.  I believe it is
the third episode in the story.  From what I could gather from the other
episodes the Doctor manages to escape from his holding cell in the city,
passes the giant refrigeration unit, and maybe some other things happen
as well.  If anyone has some good details on just what did happen I
would like to know.  I was quite surprised that it seemed that I didn't
miss all that much.

Thanks,

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu
From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: DOCTOR WHO MOVIE & SCRIPT INFO!!!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:34:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Here we go again....
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Shada Script
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:18:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


Does anyone have a script to Shada they could (a) mail me, (b) E-mail me, or
(c) post?  I'd be eternally grateful as I know so little about it.

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From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge

In article <torresce.722104385@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) writes:
>Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu> writes:
>>Well, this is not something I am clear on. If Gallifrey did exist in our
>>time, what's stopping a spaceship from just heading on over there and
>>taking it over? And Sutek recognizing the TimeLords proves only that
>>there are many renegades who make their presence known throughout time
>>and space.
>
>I'm not sure what you're saying here???  The TimeLords have had their barrier up
>for a very long time (atleast thousands).  How could a mere spaceship head
>over there as you say and just take it over just like that.  First of all,
>even before they inducted their barrier - they were a force to contend with 
>b'cse of their knowledge.  After all, the TimeLords must have been atleast 
>somewhat devious (as a race) to create and play games using the Time Scoop /
>Death Zone, etc...  But regardless of this, their barrier has been up for
>a very, very long time.
>		Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)
>

	Forget the barrier.  They're TIME LORDS, for heaven's sake.  They can
bloody time loop anybody they don't like.   On top of that, they no doubt have
allies, the ability to build artifacts that can make stars go nova, a healthy
switzerland-type neutrality, and good dress sense.  A mere energy barrier is
nothing compared to the sheer insanity of tech power that Time Lords posess.
	(Plus, they can always re-route the Doctor to intervene in any affairs
that have the slightest possibility of endagering the Lords of Time.  And don't
forget, if they are in real trouble, what's to stop them from going back in
time and picking up Rassilon and Omega for a few days, and letting them solve
it?)



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From: jadair@cs.utexas.edu (John S. Adair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Doctor as Pacifist myth
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:21:40 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Nov18.140142.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble) successfully dispels the
'Doctor as complete pacifist' myth. (Although going to execute someone
and executing someone aren't quite the same thing.)

I know it's probably not 'canon', but the fourth _Timewyrm_ book
(Revelation?--please forgive, it's packed away) explores this topic.
I personally felt that it was not just a good Dr. Who story, but
also a GOOD BOOK. The first three were fairly standard, but this one
had cyberpunk, modern music, mysticism, character development, etc.
(not necessarily in that order.)  :)
Anyway, if you want to explore the pacifist aspect, check it out.
                                              -John
From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:31:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.223116.2555
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Well, just to throw my 2 cents in, why not Patrick McGoohan as a Doctor?  A more serious, "I'm not taking any shit" sort of doctor?
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: New Scientist and the Daemons
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:55:07 GMT

In <1992Nov19.190259.9234@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jchilton@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey E. Chilton) writes:

>Could somebody please tell me the date of the New Scientist issue
>discussing the Daemons.

I'm 90% sure it was 31 Oct.
Can anyone confirm this?

Daniel.
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace? More like deuce... here's a new slant
Keywords: Peri
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:39:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Bxv6BB.D57@acsu.buffalo.edu> v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (she listens like her head's on fire..) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.220639.12628@wam.umd.edu>, jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov13.175103.18475@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
>>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>stuff deleted> 

>>Well, I'd say that for most of the American viewers of the show,
>>working-class Perivale is almost as alien as Traken. 
>
>will someone explain this statement??

Just that, for most comfortable suburban viewers of the show (I remember
reading that most American Whovians are middle- or upper-class -- the
kind with disposable income, that's why PBS loves us so much), life on
the lower end of the economic spectrum (like in Perivale, which isn't
a slum by any means, but not Beverly Hills either) is almost as much of
a stretch to empathize with as a pseudo-Elizabethan fantasy world.

Most of us have only experienced either of them through TV, or through
the (rolled-up) windows of our cars as we drive through the inner cities.
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: "I'm going out now and may be some time"
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:47:36 GMT

In article <792@nate.UUCP> nate!loring@cs.rit.edu writes:
>In the last few weeks of watching Dr. Who I've seen the following quote
>(and variations of it) used in several Dr. Who stories:
>
>	"I'm going out now and may be some time"
>
>This was said by an explorer before leaving his group on his own and 
>getting to be the first person to either the north or south poles, right?
>(pardon my ignorance, I'm US educated :-) ).
>
>The stories are:
>	Planet of Evil (when the Doctor leaves the control center for the last
>		time to deal with the monster Professor)
>	Nightmare of Eden (when the Doctor is leading all the Mandril's back
>		into the crystal)
>	Earthshock (when the doctor goes out into the caves to cool off after
>		his argument with Adric)
>
>Can anyone think of any other stories where a variation of this quote appeared? 
>Can anyone give me a reference for the quote?  (I'm probably mangling it)
>
>Please email any responses to me and I'll summarise...
>
>Loring
>-- 
>Loring Holden - nate!loring@cs.rit.edu - (716) 377-6270


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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: dracula
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:23:26 EST

It would be hard, given the eccentric nature of Van Helsing, and that
costume (complete with hat), not to think of Anthony Hopkins as a
potential Doctor.
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Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 11:24:55 EST
From: <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: from where to who?

Dear anyone.....
Has it ever occured to any of you the sort of mystery around
our favourite Time Lord's name?   #1- where did the "Doctor"
come into the picture ? - With William Hartnell's charecter
promoting himself as a Professor of strange sorts?, #2- and
what about the "who" ?, I can only recall two instances from
the Tom Baker era where it was ever questioned, but it was
more of a joke than anything else....
From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Item about The Daemons on Tomorrow's World... yesterday.
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:59:57 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


 I tuned into Tomorrow's World as ususal and the first shot was of the TARDIS.
I gulped. Being at University and not having access to a video, I was a little
concerned... The little talk at the beginning of the show revealed that there
would be an item about the recolouization of the Daemons. I gulped again. How
long did I have? 1, 2 or 10 minutes. I took the risk and dashed out to the
phone, as the show went into Patent Pending with that old duffer Bob Symes.
  Phew! Someone was in at home.
   "Whack a video in and tape me Tomorrow's World PLEEEEESE"

 10 minutes later the item appeared, and I'm glad I got it taped as they showed
how they went about it, with a split screen showing the final version on one
side and the naff colour version on the other. I was VERY impressed with the
quality of the picture. It seemed MUCH better than any of the other remaining
colour Pertwees.
  They also had the TARDIS console in the studio and it seemed to be working
just fine and didn't look too bashed up.

Gareth


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From: 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:37:23 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


 Conspicuously absent in postings I have read so far is the name of Peter

O'Toole.  While I agree that the part of the Dr. not be played by an 

American, perhaps it could be successfully done by a non-British European.

(Sean Connery?)  Or perhaps by a woman. (Blasphemy?) Or even a man dressed 

up as a woman! (Eric Idle?)  Ha!  Seriously though, I think Peter O'Toole

would be cool. Or Michael Caine.  (Who said Twiggy?!?!)  :)

					J.C. Anderson
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: the five doctors
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:23:26 EST

Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho!

Believe me, Neal, I'm not out for blood.  Where did this little
misconception come from, hmmm?  NO, IGOR!  I SAID THE OTHER KNIFE!
Pardon the little...interuption....(that's a good boy, Igor, now give
the knife to Daddy)...and let's...discuss...the Five Doctors.

Whew!  That does, indeed, seem to be a large inconsistancy, and I'll do
my best to answer it, but I don't know how satisfying the answer will
be.  Bear with my convoluted logic, please, or just press the big "n" if
you are still fearful of little 'ol me.  (maniacal cackling)

Seriously, how did this start?

WARNING---SPOILERS AHEAD

I never, in absolutely none of my posts, ever resorted to name calling,
etc. etc. etc.  Sure, I'm opinionated, but NORMAN BATES?  Maybe I just
can't seem to face up to the facts.  I'm tense and nervous, can't relax.



















O.K., In The War Games, the Doctor reveals that the Time Lords have not
been able to find him since he left Gallifrey.  Yet, they do find him
(in both his 1st and 2nd incarnations) in the Three Doctors and the Five
Doctors, and *send him on a mission* (some of us have earned these
little priviledges) in The Two Doctors.  How to explain this?

Well, aparently after the Doctor was forced to call upon the Time Lords
for help, they could trace him through time both forward and backward in
his history.  In The Three Doctors they are reluctant to tamper with his
past, but do so anyway, thus creating a paradox in the Doctor's history.
Can the Second Doctor in the Five Doctors *really* have the same past as
the one in The War Games?  Not unless the Time Lords have given him (and
Jamie) selective amnesia on 5 occasions.

Anyway, two possible explainations:

        1.  The Five Doctors took place after the Three Doctors, when
            2nd Doc met 3rd Doc.  Because Time Lords are telepathic and
            these two are the same Time Lord, there was some ammount of
            "mixing" of memories.

        2.  The 6th Doc, in Trial of a Time Lord, recounts a future
            adventure...perhaps Time Lords are sensitive to time and
            paradox in ways we can't understand....or....hmmmm.
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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: the five doctors
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15: 08:12 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: drh2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:05:11 GMT

Perhaps the second doctor was guessing or bluffing. If he knew from the
Three Doctors that the third doctor was exiled to Earth by the TimeLords,
he might have anticipated the TimeLords dealing with his companions by
altering their memories. Remember, the second doctor didn't believe the
wraiths to really be Zoe and Jamie, so maybe he just improvised a reason
why they couldn't exist to challenge them.

I haven't seen the Two Doctors in a while: how is it explained there that
Jamie recognizes the Doctor? Is he supposed to be from before the War
Lords episode?
From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: DOCTOR WHO MOVIE SCRIPT - Part 1
Keywords: worse than Adric...
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:00:14 GMT

Well, having just read Part I, I just have to say...

IT WAS BLOODY AWFUL!!!!

I mean, it would probably be a great movie, if it had nothing to do with
Doctor Who...perhaps if some elements were changed, it could create a whole
new "continuum", maybe spawn a whole new series...

Jeremy Hall
jdh@math.psu.edu
From: norbeck@procyon.bucknell.edu (She Who Must Be Obeyed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:53:49 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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I still think Colm Meaney (ST:TNG's O'Brien) would be an excellent
Doctor.  He's of the right nationality, even.  I met him at a con last
summer and he really has the right personality for it as well.


Nancy

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