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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:22:10 GMT

In article <lchmaqINN43p@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>In article <BvAKwE.Fow@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>>This "wasting space" argument reminds me of the guy who was complaining
>>about people who leave their turn signals flashing while they sit at a
>>red light. It may be your personal pet peeve, but your attempts to
>>rationalize it as some kind of universal injustice fall flat.
>
>That was probably me, because as a matter of fact that *is* a pet peeve
>of mine.  Let's assume, for the sake of discussion, that it was.  The
>shoe fits quite comfortably.
[...]
>>Wail all you want, but there is a valid reason for maintaining that space
>>cushion, and people are going to do it whether you like it or not.
>
>Why the belligerent stubbornness?  Can't you discuss the merits and the
>disadvantages of various driving practices without resorting to that
>kind of mindset?

Throughout this discussion, people seem to have forgotten that it's
only the *first* car that maintains a constant speed behind the *last*
car driving stop-and-go who must maintain a greater following
distance.  Cars behind that one may (and will, in my experience) also
follow at a constant speed, perhaps maintaining an even *smaller*
following distance than those in stop-and-go behavior (on average).
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:22:57 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1as6seINNbfr@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.115600.23268@colorado.edu> drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>>
>>Cyclists pay the same taxes (Albeit not so much gas tax) 
>>that you do, and ought to have the same rights on the road,
>>provided that they follow all applicable traffic laws.  
>>
...
>In Virginia, your right to the road should cost $72.00, annually,
>but it costs nothing.

So, the amount the cyclists pay relative to motorists fees
is in direct proportion to the relative amount of road damage
caused.  Sounds fair - both motorists and cyclists pay for their
share of road maintenance.

>Therefore, the idea that a biker pays for
>his right to the road is false, at least in Virginia.

Wrong.

>You may
>pay income tax, but you definitely don't pay all the fees that
>every driver does.

Right.

>-- Mike
-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
    Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
     of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:03:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems

In <1992Oct7.063301.7769@informix.com> neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.025624.2095@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:
>>In article <BvI579.MJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>>
>>>I get the impression that many people who have been raised on expressway
>>>driving just can't deal with a 2 lane road. They'll come up behind a
>>>slower vehicle and just stay there, rather than pass it. I'm sure part
>>>of the problem is the Geo Metros some of these folks drive; in this
>>>situation, most "practical" cars get downright UNpractical. ;-) ;-)
>>
>>Most cars with a "practical" engine can have substantial acceleration as long
>>as the driver is knowledgeable about the revs it can handle.  The problem is

>Reminds me of the 4-cyl Tempo I got as a rental in Colorado last year.
>Getting on the highway from the airport, I merged at about 30 - it
>was a very short on ramp.  Anyway, I floored the car since there was
>some traffic a few seconds back.  The engined mades lots of impressive
>noise, but the car accelerated not at all!  I kept the d*mn thing
>floored and managed to get up to 45 or 50 by the time the approaching
>cars reached me about 7s later, earning myself some dirty looks.

i had one of those in Denver once, if you think it was bad near the
airport, you should have seen it when I got 2 miles up near Copper
Mountain :-(. Of course, as a flatlander I wasn't in great shape
either. First time I ever heard a car panting for breath :-).


>--Neil

>-- 
>Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

>Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
>and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."

Ha!

Bob.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:03:45 GMT

	I too have HATE MOST Cyclists on the road.  I live in Boston and
for what I have seen there are 3 types of cyclists.

	1.  The one who is aware that cars a bigger and may not be driven by
		intelligent/aware people.  These try to stay out of your way 
		while still getting somewhere, in return I give them all the 
		space/time I can.
		
	2.  The ones that know that if you hit them they can sue you for all
		you own.  These people are CONVINCED that they own the road.
		They fly through red lights, don't stop in intersections, pass
		cars in 'between', jump from the side-walk into the road etc.
		And if you tell them that it was wrong to got through the red light 
		and make you slam on the brakes (good thing everyone was wearing a 
		seatbelt) then they want to start a fight saying how much they hate
		motorists...
		
	3. The ones who hace NO CLUE and can't even control their bicycle.  These
		people seem to go were the bicycle takes them which may be right under
		your car. (I think the ones that ride the bikes with high heels and
		a mini-skirt are quite amusing -saw one just last night, she was
		all over the place -can they get a ticket for biking under the influence
		of too much makeup?) :-)

	Of course %75 of cyclists I have seen are type #2... I have no problem sharing
	the road with #1's...
		
	
	_RV
	
P.S. I attended to school in Boston and used a bike for 4 years and I think there is
	no reason to become a #2 biker...
	

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Does This Law Make Sense
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:49:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.194317.3609@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
}
}According to California law (and probably the laws of many other states),
}to transport a firearm it must be in a locked compartment, i.e., the
}trunk of a car.
}
}I've been trying to find out how one can legally transport a firearm in
}a station wagon which has no locked trunk.  An NRA instructor told me
}that if the gun is on the seat in plain view, it is not concealed, and
}it's legal to transport it that way if the gun is unloaded.

Your instructor is only technically correct.  Following that advice will
likely get you shot by the first cop that stops you.  At best, you will
spend some uncomfortable time face down on the ground with your hands
handcuffed behind you.  You will also lose your gun.

California law _technically_ allows open carry of an unloaded firearm.
Practically speaking, no one has any way of knowing it's unloaded and will
behave accordingly.  That will likely make things _very_ uncomfortable for
you.

The correct (legal) way to carry a firearm in a station wagon, or any
vehicle that doesn't have a trunk, is unloaded in a locked container, but
_not_ the glove or utility compartment.  Ammunition should be in a
separate locked container.  Both containers should be out of reach of the
passenger compartment, if possible (i.e.: somewhere in the back).

Note that a "locked container" can be as simple as a $5 plastic box
(available at most gun stores) with a $2 luggage lock on it.

More importantly, note that California law considers a gun to be loaded if
there is live ammunition in contact with _any part_ of it.  In some
jurisdictions this has been interpreted to include a loaded magazine in a
separate container.

}Does this make sense:  if I have the gun wrapped and I can't easily get
}to it, it's illegal, but if I have the gun where I can get to it, it's
}legal.

Who said the law had to make sense?

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Red Turning Signals 
Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:26:08 GMT

I am just getting used to traffic in th US. Most of my driving experience has
been in Europe.

I am getting used to large cars that stop first and signal after when they
decide to turn. 

I can not understand why American car producers insist on installing the turning
signal, the brake lamp and the taillights all together. You can hardly tell
whether someone is signalling, braking, or emergency signalling, at first
glimpse, since thay are all red.

It can be argued that it looks aesthetic on some cars, but it definitely is not
functional, and it is ergonomically wrong.
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Madison, Wisconsin, USA -> Winnepeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:50:45 GMT
Distribution: usa,canada
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.


Hi,

Thanks to all those who had responded to my enquiry regarding my trip from
Austin, Texas to Madison, Wisconsin.  

Now, I am planning to drive upto Winnepeg, Manitoba, Canada from Madison, 
Wisconsin, USA.  Has anyone taken a similar trip around this time of the 
year?  If so, I would like to hear whether he/she had any bad experiences
on the road.  Is there something I should be careful about (apart from
normal car check-ups)?

Thanks.
-Shubu



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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:09:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.141459.5447@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>First off, the gas tax is regressive big time. It hits the lower classes
>and incomes a lot more than it does the so called middle class or
>upper class.

In article <1992Oct6.150427.22498@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes:
>That's certainly a valid point, but not an unreasonable one.  It
>could lead to more people car pooling, work at home, etc.

Typical Republican.

Work at home? What kind of jobs do poor people have that will allow them to
work at home? "Uh, Boss, I need to save on commuting expenses. Can I take
some of the toilets home to clean?" You can't extrapolate our lifestyles with
those of far less flexibility.

The kicker is this little gem:

>It could lead to the purchase of more fule efficient cars by those that
>would be impacted the most regressively.

"More fuel efficient" usually means "more expensive", so when it comes down to
the $2000 Honda or the $1300 Cavalier, simple mathematics is gonna win out.
In case you don't get it- *poor people have less choices than people with more
money*. I've got a couple of extra clues, want one? "Them damn poor folks
really need to just get off their lazy butts and make more money, huh?"

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: sylveste@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Expired inspection sticker
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:30:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.18756.2add646b

In article <29387@life.ai.mit.edu>, pwu@doctor-pepper.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>     In article <1992Oct13.122047.16757@dg-rtp.dg.com> lenkeit@firebird.rtp.dg.com (Matt Lenkeit) writes:
>     >If I am driving someone else's pickup truck (in NC)
>     >and the inspection sticker is expired, am I responsible
>     >for the ticket? It has my name on it, but his vehicle.
>     >
>     >Thanks!
>     >
>     >-Matt
>     
>     Well, In Massachusetts (just an example.... doesn't have to make sense, you 
>     know), such a fault would lie evenly between the owner, the operator, and
>     the person in charge. This `person in charge' is mentioned over and over in
>     Mass. automotive laws, but I haven't got the slightest clue who it is, and
>     there are no explicit references in the driver's manual.... (*sigh*)
>     
>     Well good luck on you appeal
>     (I would anyway)
>     
>     Damon
>     
>     damong@wpi.wpi.edu
> 
> Talking about driving regulations in MA!  The ticket either goes to the driver
> or the owner at the police's choice.  But I do not know how the merit board
> will record it for the purpose of determining insurrance surcharges.
> 
> Anyone knows how to get a car inspected in MA after the inspection sticker
> expired?
> 
> I was told that the only lawful way is (1) have the car towed to an inspection
> station, (2) purchase a "rejected" sticker, (3) drive the car around with the
> "rejected" sticker to warm it up, (4) drive back to the inspection station to
> complete the inspection.
> 
> I got a ticket for expired sticker on the way to an inspection station.  Does
> anyone know how to handle this kind of ticket?


There is not much you can do.  The law states that you can not drive an 
uninspected vehicle.  If you were caught doing so then unless you
get a sympathetic judge you will be paying a fine.
In Massachusetts the officer can issue two tickets, one to the driver
for driving an uninspected vehicle and one to the owner for not
getting the vehicle inspected.  
BTW the "person in charge" that you mentioned would be the parent
of a minor if the parent was in the car while the minor was driving.


                                         Mike Sylvester  Umass
 
                                         sylveste@ecs.umass.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (Jonathan T Drout (smile))
Subject: Re: Right turn on red
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:07:19 GMT


The NJ & NY laws (and logically other states [though why Ithink any
laws are logical I don't know (: ]) say that:

	You may only make a right on red/stop sign from a full stop.
	That you may only make a right on red/stop sign from the
rightmost lane UNLESS other lanes are indicated as turn lanes.


So: you can only make a right turn from a lane other than the
rightmost lane if there is an arrow on a sign, on the ground, etc, or
a traffic cop, or some such traffic directing device (not to
dehumanize <: )  

Remember, those big red octagons with STOP written on them mean just
that, and a lot of people sure don't pay attention.  Why should they
pay attention to what lane they turn from?


	Jonathan

jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
Yeah, it really is called Skidmore College.
85 MR2 106400+ and counting
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Prices of Camry and Accord
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:56:36 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

Does anyone know what would be a good price for a '92 CAMRY LE w/out trade?
                                    ----a '92 Accord LX           """"""""".
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:28:02 GMT

In article <Bvt1xG.CAw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>Nevertheless, we're unlikely to get a better perspective from anyone
>here, since few poor/working poor people have net access.

Don't forget about those who once were, who are here now....

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Does This Law Make Sense
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:39:40 GMT

>Great.  Who's "we"?  Where are you?  "ssesco.com" doesn't leap to everyone's
>mind as a particular jurisdiction.

>(Not that it's not interesting info, but we need a little context.)

Minnesota
From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: less than a taurus
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:18:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct7.152216.12642
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <3930136@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, siqif@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Siqi Fan) writes...
>How do you get a SHO for 15.5? Our local dealer quoted about 24 for a 93 SHO.

They are (were??) _heavily_ discounted.  A dealer in MD used to sell hundreds of
them at 17.5.  SHO never sold well in numbers.  Wait a while until the novelty
of 93 wears off.

Vikas Sontakke		Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.
Internet:		sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen)
Subject: Re: Engine oil drain tap
Keywords: tap, engine oil, drain
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:41:39 GMT

In article <ld6p5sINNbau@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> acw@tradewind.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>I have used engine oil drain tap on my car for four years and over 
>60,000 miles without any problem.  It is very convenient if you 
>do the oil changes yourself.  I went to Kragen Auto Parts they 
>told me they no longer carry this item.
>
>Does anyone know where I can find it?

Try your nearest JiffyLube! They were pushing a drain plug with tap
for $7.95 plus $10 in discounts off subsequent oil-changes. I believe 
that they are doing this to prevent cross-threading "accidents"...
From: trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Corrado SLC or 325is?
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:04:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:

>>>In rec.autos, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
>>>
>>>   I am thinking of buying either a BMW 325is coupe or VW Corrado VR6 soon. 
>
>Chun-Hung,
>      I have been an owner of a couple of bimmers a 5 & 3 series 91' and
>89' respectively. VW is no comparison with the blue and white badge. The
>$10000 difference really buys you a true drivers car rather than a
>pretender. 


You haven't driven a Corrado, have you?  It is not a "pretender" by
any stretch of the imagination (unless, of course, you're defending
your BMW preference).  I drove my friend's G60 Corrado, and believe
me, you're right in a true "driver's car."  The Corrado should never
have made it to the states without the VR6...
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Starting Problem in Mercury Lynx  Help
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:46:55 GMT



If it were in top shape, it would be worth about $ 1000.
With the mechanical problems, it's worth about $ 400.

I am going by Canadian values. There are many Escorts
and Lynxes on the road. The high number of these cars 
being up for sale brings the value down.

Andy.
 

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: benoit@netcom.com (BENOIT SCHILLINGS)
Subject: Merkur repairs...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:16:31 GMT

Does anyone know of a good repair place for Merkur
Scorpios in the SF Bay area?  Preferably the South
Bay.  I'm sick of expensive and incompetent dealers.
From: aphilip@cbnews.cb.att.com (ashwin.k.philip)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: downforce and cornering g's (was which car handles the best?
Summary: lateral g`s > 1
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:07:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T



n earth wouldn`t you be able to exceed 1 g? there is 1 g pushing down but
that has nothing to do with the max lat acceleration...?!
turn it around and say : well..the max down force is equal to the lateral
acceleration.. that is obviously false... so what are you talking about?
-- 
Ashwin K. Philip_________________________________Email:  philip@mink.mt.att.com
Software Engineer________________________________AT&T Bell Labs, Middletown, NJ
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: ingnorant question...
Date: 14 Oct 1992 08:01:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu


I know that the following question doesn't have a place in this
newsgroup... but, I know a lot of people out there have answers to this
question since so many participated in the recent "Driving in Snow Flame 
War".

Why is it that in places where it snows, that salt is spread over it?  
I realize that it prevents the snow from forming, but how?

Just email the answers to me to prevent clogging the newsgroup w/ 
irrelevant things....  

Thank in advance.

-most apologitically
  David Shy
  shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu