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From: rjl@spectre.apana.org.au (Richard Lindner)
Subject: Re: Can someone explain mem access vs. CPU speed (was: Re: Run a 486/33MHz CPU at 40 or 50MHz?)
Organization: Australian Coherent Users Group
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Date: 22 Jan 93 22:47:53 GMT

oldwanda (93gke@williams.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan13.203244.6289@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Sergei Viznyuk) writes:
: > If you have 70ns DRAM on 486-33 it makes sense to
: >try to run it at 40Mhz. It will reduce the memory access
: >time from 90ns to 75 ns. If you have 60ns DRAM
: >then 40Mhz may give you even worse performance
: >(75ns vs. 60ns).
: 
: This topic comes up frequently, but nobody explains why.
: Can someone please explain this in some detail? Also, how does this
: relate to wait state selection?
: (Please reply publicly)

i think i see some confusion here - the speed raing of ram indicates the
fastest speed that it will operate. a DX33 requires at least 70nS dram -
60nS will work equally well, but possibly at a cost penalty. (faster ram
costs more). 80nS ram _may_ work - no guarantees ;-). a faster clock usually
requires faster ram (disregarding interleaving and the like). but the speed
that the processor and peripheral chips will operate is generally limited by
the ratings of those chips. running a DX33 at 40MHz bay be stretching things
a little, and certainly won't do anything to help your warrantee.

bottom line - use a DX33 @ 33MHz with 70 or 80 nS dram. a DX40 (say a 386)
should definitely use 70nS ram. there's absolutely _no_ advantage in using
faster ram. the overall performance is determined by clock speed. providing
that the ram can keep up, the speed rating of it is irrelevant.
		 	    	
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From: tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist)
Subject: Re: Byte magazine, con man?
Organization: Bell Northern Research
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:54:04 GMT

Robert Jr. (whitesto@oasys.dt.navy.mil) wrote:
: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, cs161fho@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (cs161fho) writes:
: ]Recently discussion about Net vs. magazines remind me of my
: ]unpleasant experience with Byte magazine.  I subscribed to it two
: ]years ago, but only received one issue.  After I found out the check
: ]was cashed, I wrote them twice- never receive a reply.  I think Byte
: ]was taking chance that small subscriber like me will never take
: ]legal action against them for the little subscription fee(to them at
: ]least).  They were right; as a result, I have never purchased a
: ]single issue of Byte again.
: 
: 
:     Twice in the past I have started subscriptions with Byte,
:     and both times I was shortchanged three issues the first
:     year.
: 
: INTERNET: whitesto@oasys.dt.navy.mil
: --------------------------------------------------------------

I had some problems with BYTE subscriptions, but after writing them,
the problems actually got cleared up.  It took me awhile though.
Quite suprising for a published like MacGraw-Hill to not be able to
get its billing straight.  How complex can it be?  Paid... Unpaid...

FYI: I have a number for BYTE (don't know if it still works)
                        609-426-5000

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From: blumenow@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (Warren Blumenow)
Subject: IDE compatibility
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:33:07 GMT

I was wondering if there are laid down standards for IDE hard drives. I know 
that usually, you can run up to two IDE drives with a single IDE card, but 
what I'd like to know is if those two drives must be made by the same 
manufacturer. I currently have a K-Lok 105 MB IDE, and if I get another 
drive, it will probably be Conner or Seagate. I know that the drives have to 
be run as a master and a slave, but can a K-Lok drive be slave to a Conner 
drive, or vice versa? 

Any help would be appreciated. Please E-Mail me:
blumenow@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za


                  
                    
             
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From: hojo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (HC Johnson)
Subject: Need more slots
Keywords: expandsion slots
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:21:45 GMT

 I have a 486SX with 7 slots.

I relly need 9-12 slots.

Has anyone seen an expandsion chassis that would allow me to put at least
the 8 bit cards in it?

Please reply with email if possible.

Thanks


Howard Johnson
ATT BELL LABS
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hcj@mtatm.att.com
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From: tujf@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Jay F. Tu)
Subject: Mathematic and eps files
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:04:26 GMT

Does anybody know how to generate eps files from Mathematica under DOS?
Thanks in advance.

Jay
From: m88max@denebola (Max Brante)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: CGA on a monochrome monitor?Please reply
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:17:08 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
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Rob Henry (ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: I have a monochrome amber monitor and a cga emulator card right now,
: actually a mono graphics card.
: Now,I have a program that needs true cga to run.
: SInce cga cards have a 9 pin connector xlike my monitor has,can i plug
: it in and get cga on my mono monitor?
: I think cga has 2 colors right?
: ALso,would i set my bios to color instead of monochrome once i hook
: it up?
: Please leave mail as soon as possible.

NO don't connect your monitor to a CGA card. It way damage beyond repair.
The whole point in having a CGA emulator card is that the signals from a CGA 
card is incompatible with the signals of a Monochrome/Hercules card.

It seems like you have a card just like mine.
I suspect that you have used the card just in monochrome (hercules) mode.
To get the card in CGA emulation mode just alter the jumpers on the card
or use the program that is supposed to change the settings of the card.

If your card had been set in CGA mode you woudn't had any problem to run
programms that require CGA. From the computers point of view the card seems 
to be a real CGA card.

I think a CGA card has 8 colors in text mode 4 in low res graphics mode and
2 in hires graphics mode, correct me if i'm wrong.

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From: 07pccl@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Matsushita CDROM+SBPRO=HELP!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:11:12 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hope someone here can help...I have a new internal Matsushita CR-521 and a 
SB-PRO, both supposedly compatable.  I'm fairly competent with hardware, but
i have little experience with setting up a CD-ROM.  I should point out that
the drive is an OEM model I bought from a supplier (I work in a campus
computer store), and it came without manuals.  The supplier has none(!), and
no experience with a SBPRO.  I have the problem narrowed down to jumper 
settings on the SB, but which?  Every attempt at setup I tried flopped.  At
one point my system thought that the CD was my "A" drive!  I have the required
software drivers, but if someone with a similar system could post or send the
appropriate lines from config.sys and autoexec.bat, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Craig Levine						07pccl@ac.dal.ca
Dalhousie University						or
Halifax, N.S. Canada					clevine@ac.dal.ca
From: eduomo@ref.tfs.com (Ed Duomo)
Subject: **** IDE + XT RLL: Heeeelp! ****
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Date: 25 Jan 93 23:06:42 GMT


(The first time I posted this didn't seem to go through, sorry if you
have to see it twice).

I have a Seagate ST1239A drive (IDE, 210MB) that I'd like to use
together with a Miniscribe 70MB unit driven by an Adaptec RLL XT
(8-bit) controller in 386 machine (AMI BIOS). My understanding is that
although IDE controllers are picky about co-existing with other units,
they have no problem if the other controller bypasses the BIOS (like
SCSI and XT controllers).

However, my tries have been in vainn so far. I tried setting the IDE
controller to use the secondary address and the IDE drive to be either
slave drive or just in a normal IDE single drive mode, but no go.
Either I get a HDD controller error or the drive is not recognized.
Both drives work flawlessly if each was the only drive installed in
the system. I called the tech support of Hard Drives International
(the place I purchased thge IDE drive from), but the person I talked
to didn't give me a satifactory answer -- "if you try it and it
doesn't work, it probably won't work", said he without asking a single
question about my setup. I'm sure I'll fare much better from the
gentile experts of the net (a little bit of kissing up never hurts,
right? :-).

So there you have it: is it realistic to expect the two units to work
together? If yes, how does one go about achieving that? (an additional
complication is that I no longer have the manual of the Adaptec
controller, <sigh>).

Thanks a lot.

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From: jennings@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Tim Jennings)
Subject: Intel vs. Cyrix vs. TI CPU's
Reply-To: jennings@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:03:15 GMT

I am currently trying to decide between buying a system with 
an Intel motherboard vs one with a Cyrix board. Difference of
about $200. I wish to know what is different between these 2
processors. Am I likely to run into any compatibility problems 
with hardware later?

Thanks in advance,

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From: sean@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sean Quinlan)
Subject: SVGA cards with linear address space??
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:54:54 GMT

Does anyone know which, if any, SVGA cards allow the entire video
memory to be mapped to a linear address space, instead of requiring
a program to access 1Meg+ of memory through the A0000 64K window.

thanks
sean quinlan
From: browner@rm1.interlan.com (Michael Browner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Help with a Colorado Jumbo 250
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:44:00 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1993Jan20.224330.21004@umr.edu>, mcastle@cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle) writes:
|> 
|> With all this discussion regarding the Colorado Jumbo 250 (and my recent
|> interest in getting one), I talked with a friend of mine who has one.  
|> This is what he had to say:
|> 
|> 
|> +> I'm also considering buying a CMS Jumbo 250.  Cheapest I've found so far
|> +> is $239 (from Computer Shopper).  Have you seen any better deals?  Your
|> +> tape drive is a CMS isn't it?  Have you had any problems with it?
|> +
|> +    A mighty cool tape drive if I don't say so myself.  The CMS Jumbo
|> +250 is exactly what I have.  I've seen several of them at work too.
|> +Actually the machine I used this xmas break has one that is used *daily*
|> +to do incremental backups.  It's done about a year's worth, with *no*
|> +problems.  I've also had absolute no problems with mine.  The CMS Jumbo
|> +250 and 3M DC2120's are the perfect match.  *HIGHLY RECOMMENDED*  And
|> +the $239 is the cheapest I've seen also.
|> 
|> Well, I'll be ordering mine soon!!!
|> 
|> regards,
|> mrc
|> (I since found one for $235 in pc-mag)
|> 

I just got a Colorado Jumbo 250.  The drive runs fine, but let me tell you 
about some problems with the software.  I got mine and I started to run
it under Win 3.1 enhanced mode.  Well the software that came with it Ver2.54
was supposed to run under windows, kept on telling me there was a controller
problem.  Running under DOS or Win3.1 standard mode the thing worked.

My version of Norton Backup for Windows didn't work to well either in 386 
ehanced mode.

When you get the drive, check the software version, you can pickup 3.03 at
wuarchive under msdos/dskutl/jumbo303.zip.

If you have problems with Norton Backup get the real version by doing an
Alt-F10 and going to the bottom of the list.  You will need this version
and the ROM version from the drive.  They will look it up in their list and
tell you you need a new version.

The drive is a good drive, the software will drive you crazy.

Michael B.

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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Viewsonic 15 Monitor - anyone have info?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:42:20 GMT

In <1993Jan26.154708.23739@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> reisert@sttng.mlo.dec.com (Jim Reisert) writes:


>I saw an ad in the February PC World Magazine for the new Viewsonic 15
>monitor.  15", flat screen, computer controls, etc.  Anyone have
>pricing or availability?

 That would be the Viewsonic 6FS.  Windows Magazine just had a short article
on 15" monitors.  They compare Amdek AM/815, Mag MX15F, Mag LX1564,
Nanao Flexscan F340i-W, NEC 4FG, and Viewsonic 6FS.

 The only one they really didn't like was the 6FS, stating poor image color
and imprecise user controls.

 The also didn't like the Amdek for it's slightly washed image.

 The Mag, Nanao, and NEC were all favorable.  I'd recommend you look into
one of these instead, they'll be about the same price.

 That was the Feb, 1993 issue of Windows Magazine.

 Also Byte had a comprehensive review back in April or May of 1992 of
various 15-17" monitors.
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From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:36:11 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar) writes:
| but, I somehow feel that just keeping "pc" instead of "ibm.pc" is too
| generic, and can be very confusing to people.

  I don't think the term "pc" is too confusing.  Everyone has been using
  that term for years to refer to DOS/Intel based systems.  IBM has very
  little to do with it anymore.  The term "pc" is probably less confusing
  to most people than any other term.

  I'd like to see:

    comp.pc.hardware
    comp.pc.sound
    comp.pc.video
    comp.pc.drives
    comp.pc.misc
    etc.

  ==

  Bob                                       Seattle, Washington

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From: johnvl@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (John C.M. van Leeuwen)
Subject: Re: Just upgraded 386DXL-40 to 486DX2-50 CPU
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:58:05 GMT

Some clues: A 486DX2-50 cpu runs internally on 50MHz, but externally on 25 MHz,so
if you compare the things that depend on the bus speed, like reading memory,
using disks, etc. you'll find this will have become a twink slower, but
heavy calculations will become faster.

Video speed also depends on the bus speed, so the video also gets slower.

Just some clues,

John van Leeuwen.
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From: nsx@cba.ufl.edu (Mark Sterling)
Subject: Re: PS/2 harddrive upgrade
Organization: College of Business,  University of Florida
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:28:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.224538.20072@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> grickett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory A Ricketts) writes:


>My Uncle has a veterinary clinic in Waverly, Ohio.  He presently runs
>VBOSS on a PS/2 Model 55 SX, and needs to upgrade from his present 60MB
>harddrive to ~120MB harddrive.  I know very little about PS/2s, I don't even
>know if this is a 286, or 386.  I have *heard* that it can be difficult to
>upgrade a PS/2 harddrive.  My question, can this be done, and what
>harddrives are compatible with this make of PS/2?  Thanks for any
>information.  Greg.

It is a 386SX.
You have to replace the harddrive, you can't add to it the 60 because there 
is no room.  There are a couple of places that have harddrives for PS/2's, 
but they are expensive.  Check the back of PC/Computing or PC Mag.
From: liuyu@acf5.NYU.EDU (liuyu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: CMOS Hidden Refresh option
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:44:09 GMT
Organization: New York University

ronaldm@rgm.com (Ronald Mendoza) writes:

 >I have a 486DX-50 and was looking at the Hidden Refresh option in the CMOS.
 >(AMI BIOS)  Well, it defaults to Disabled, but I recall reading that it should
 >be enabled for 3 chip 1M, or any 4M.  SO, I Enabled the setting since I have
 >(4) 4Mx9 9-chip (do 3-chip exist?) and (4) 1Mx9 3-chip.  Now, my 3D Bench
 >rating went from 37 fps to 40 fps.  Is everything set correctly now?
 
 >-Ron (ronaldm@rgm.com)

Can you enlighten us where the hidden refresh option is?  I also have AMI
BIOS (12/12/91).
From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: COLORADO 250 JUMBO TAPE
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:52:00 GMT
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

Well, I am still having problems with the Colorado Tape Drive Jumbo 250.
It will go 50% on the Format (which is the format part) and then does a
read-rewind-reread endless re-try on the second half of format (the
verify part).  I understand that it should be a smooth continuous
operation.  I have tried 4 tapes, 2 drives, 2 IDE controlers (different
chip sets) and 2 cables.  After 1 hour on the phone with CMS, they told
me to buy a $135.00 tape controller card.  I have also turned off LIM
4.0 and turned off concurrent DMA operation.  The computer is a clone
33 MHz 486, 2 floppies, 350 M in 2 hard drives, 8M memory.  All the
other cards have been pulled out in the troubleshooting and I have tried
to boot from a clean boot disk, with turbo off.  Also, have tried both
TAPE and CPBACKUP.

My question is: CAN SONEONE PLEASE HELP ME!!!???

Thanks, Allen

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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Hard disk timing out under heavy use
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:35:04 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada




I have two IDE Drives set up on my system---a 340MB Maxtor as the primrary,
and a an 80MB Maxtor as the slave.


I recently moved them to a new case where the 340MB is right on top of the
80MB drive.

The 80MB drive is now starting to generate a large number of TIME-OUT errors
under just about ANY OS I run it under.

Is this likely to be caused by the additional heat of the other drive on top
of it, or are we looking ar more serious hardware problems.



Toodlepip!
marc 'em.
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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Maxtor 1140 HD any experiences?
Keywords: Maxtor HD
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:17:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.143654.31599@ucl.ac.uk> shaajdt@ucl.ac.uk (John Tovey) writes:
>
> am considering the purchase of a second hand Maxtor 1140 HD 119 MB MFM format.
>Any comments, experiences welcomed.

The XT1140 is a solid, workhorse drive. It is obsolete by today's
interface standards, of course.

Because the HDA was the same in the entire series that the 1140 came from,
many of them can be formatted to much higher capacities than they were
certified for. This means 1224 cylinders and RLL formatting. Friends
of mine have used XT1140's formatted to 238 MB in this way for YEARS
of continuous use without a peep.


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From: iisakkil@lk-hp-13.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)
Subject: Re: Replacing the DAC on your video card
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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Distribution: inet
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:53:30 GMT

ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>I'd say you'd be better off getting one of the generic 
>Tseng ET4000 based cards with hicolor - the Trident with
>hicolor should be comfortably slow...

Come on, what on earth has the company done to you to deserve this?
For a while it was fun to count hours till your follow-up on any
Trident-related article, but this is getting rediculous.

I have to agree with your suggestion, though...

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From: pcc@s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Subject: Re: Sony 1304s opinions, reccomendations
Organization: llnl
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:46:45 GMT

I would also like info on The Samsung CSD5577 (multisync ?) 15" Flat 
1024x768, .28 NI and Power II 4A - 14" multisync (1024x768).28 NI.

Does anyone know of the true screen size (i.e. is tha 15" actually 1" 
larger display size?

I can get the sony for $550, the samsung for $459 (oem) $499 (orig),
the Power II for $319.

Phil
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