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From: kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: That's the spirit
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.170838.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:
>an AP picture in today's news paper has given me some hope
>after the sad incidents of damaging temples in Bangladesh.
>The picture shows hundreds of people has made a human chain
>by holding their hands ( with Jahanara Imam in the middle).
>The words written under the picture are " More than 25,000
>Muslims and Hindus join hands thursday in Dhaka,Bangladesh,
>to condemn the demolition of the mosque and the temples."
>
>---Zakir  
>

This article posted in SCB is being cross posted to soc.cultture.indian
and soc.culture.pakistan.

There is yet hope for the people of the subcontinent that we can 
transcend the hate that divides us.

Jahanara Imam is a famous Bangladeshi writer, who lost both her husband
and son during Bangldesh's War of Independence from Pakistan.

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:09:00 GMT

In article <BzB15o.MBx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes...
>    In a previoius article I mentioned that most people who converted to 
>Islam did so because it preaches equality among men. Mr. Raghuram
>Murtugudde from Columbia U, challenged my poiny and said the word "men"
>literaly applied to men. First of all, when I wrote men I was refering to
>humanity (yes it`s a sexist term). Secondly, Mr. Murtugudde, Islam does
>preach equality among women. It is stated in the Koran that women are 
>equal tomen. Secondly, the Koran states that women are to be given the same
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^     
>rights as men such as voting, ability to own propert etc. This is a remarkable
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>revolutionary idea considering the fact that Islam was founded over a thousand
>years ago and that some of these rights weren`t confered upon women in the US
>untill the 20th century (i.e. voting). I don`t want it to seem that I am
>preaching so I`ll conclude by saying Mr. Murtugudde, Islam preaches equality
>among all people not just men or women. Admitiedly it has sexist viewpoints
>just like any other religion (i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chrisitianity) but
>what you must bear in mind is that they are less than those of other major
>religion and that they were normal for that particular period in time.
> 
>regards
>Rafat Sadiq
> 
	I have not read anything about equality in voting and property 
	ownership between men and women, in Quran, please state the
	reference if you think so.
	I have an impression though that two female witnesses are
	equal to one male witness and also the heritage laws put two
	shares for male dependent compared with one share for the 
	female dependent [for example among brothers and sisters].

	[I wonder if these MUSLIMS have ever read QURAN in their life]

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan)
Subject: Addresses of prominent English language dailies
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:16:12 GMT

Friends:

   If any of you know the names and addresses of prominent English
language dailies of Bangladesh, can you please send them to me?
My address is arun@vlsi.waterloo.edu. I will post a compiled
list once I get them, but now please convey me the information
by e-mail only.

Thanks in advance,
Arun Achyuthan
From: dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Thanks!
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:33:56 GMT


Many thanks to those who helped fill in the details
for me concerning the recent demonstrations in Bangladesh.
It was much appreciated.

Wishing everyone a happy, peaceful and fruitful 1993, and
my best wishes to Bangladesh on the 21st anniversary of its
founding.

'bye from Oz,

Denis Wright
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmed@cs.tcd.ie (El-Habbash Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Congratulation on Victory Day!
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:57:35 GMT

khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:

>Congratulation to all Bangladeshis on the Victory Day!  Let's 
>work to hold up spirit of the Liberation war and thereby show
>our commitments for the causes that the war was fought for.  Our
>commitment for a society free of explotation and a society with
>a great cultural mosaic is at stake.  But we can change the situation
>through a greater understanding of the issues our nation is facing today.

>Congratulations again.  Bangladeshi Bengalis and tribal people are a 
>hero-nation. I am proud to be Bangladeshi Bengali!

>Khaleq.

I am interested to have an idea about the major noticeable achievements,
that you are proud of and congratulating all Bangladeshis for.

Thank you.

Ahmed.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Jamati strikes on Victo ....
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:26:29 GMT

In article 92Dec19155142@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.222215.13889@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma) writes:

>  >  Then wherefrom do they derive their power ?  Politicians ?
> ----
> Certainly for their initial post 71 rehabilitation. But their support 
> extends to deep grass root levels.

Sources of power for Jamaat is a compicated topic. To understand it, we have to consider the following points.

1) The style of Jamaat's politics is very different from that of other parties 
in the country. When they recruit someone, they don't use their political agenda.
Instead they exploit the Islamic sentiment of the people and pose it in such a 
way that Jamaat and Islam appear to be synonymous. In the absence of other strong 
Islamic political parties, it's very easy for them to push this point. They also 
recruit their members from high school level (people at that stage are quite 
gullible) who are eventually converted into hard core Jamaatis. It requires a lot 
of money to pursue such programs and Jamaat is never short on their funds.

2) During the first five years of our independence, Bangladesh observed a failure 
of the secular left oriented system. Many people blame the system instead of the players for the failure and they seek for alternate solutions. Jamaat's politics 
is one of the most convincing alternates since many believe that AL and BNP are 
just the two sides of the same coin. Most of the supporters of Jamaat from the 
educated middle class fall into this category.

3) Many educated muslims believe that an Islamic society is a must for a country 
with population who are predominantly muslim. Since no other poltical parties 
demand an Islamic society, Jamaat is their only choice.

I think these factors overshadow Jamaat's crimes during '71 which is the reason 
for their growth. It's also more alarming that their growth rate is faster among 
the educated. I doubt if Jamaat has much support among the illiterate common 
masses.

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Special psychiatric rate for Jamaatis
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:39:01 GMT
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In article <1gp3bjINNqu1@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:

>If you want to be burned like Hindus let us know when you want to die.

Sir, I suggest you hasten to Hemeyetpur or like mental hospital for immediate
treatment, possible even excision of the part of your brain that is connected
to your typing finger and tongue.

 
>Allamdullillah all Bangali brithers understand  your mentality 

Sorry, you are no Bengali brother of mine. Nor are you much of a muslim.


>Indra was killed also by his own gaurd. 
        		  ^^^

monthobbyo nishproyojon.
 

>both of his sons were killed and all of them were burned.
						   ^^^^^^
Not that surprising, eh? They were Hindus.


>Are you waiting for the same to learn?

No, waiting for you to come to Bangladesh. Tharpor Ray er Bajar er shamne
dekha jabe koyta Hindu marthe paro.

Ghughu dekhecho fad dekhoni
Ter ta pabe aj ekhoni. 


--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:06:41 GMT

Shakil, you first wrote:

>While there are many arguments on whether the word ``beat'' is
>really an appropriate translation, one need not point to that 
>in setting the critic straight.

and then you write:

>If you would care to actually *read* the above passage, you will find
>that I state:
>
>1) There is no unanimous opinion on whether the word "beat" is really
>a proper translation

I thought your first statement says that it is not necessary to use
the ambiguity of translation of "beat" to prove the critic wrong.
So accepting a possibly incorrect translation, the critic is right
when he says Islam permits beating of wives.  Whether this is a 
form of discrimination against women or not is a different issue.
You obviously believe it is not.

I wrote:

>Sura 4:129 seems to rule out polygamy unambiguously.  It seems
>polygamy is not "very difficult" but impossible.

You say:

>Hence the use of the word "difficult" in this
>context.  I don't see an inconsistency.

"Difficult" implies that polygamy is allowed, although under
exceptional and rare circumstances.  "Impossible" means it is not
allowed under any circumstances.  If polygamy is not allowed under
any circumstances, what is the point in discussing the 
circumstances under which is allowed ?  Again I am assuming that
4:129 overrides 4:3 and 4:129 indeed implies it is impossible.

>Obviously, my use of the word "infinite" here is as a term of
>superlatives.  You cannot get an infinite chain when you have a finite
>number of people.  But it is mathematically very obvious that you can
>get arbitrarily large family chains which completely ruins the concept
>of family structure which Islam considers important.

I understand your use of the superlative "infinite."  What I am 
curious about is the mathematical analysis which you claim is 
obvious.

-- Milind Saraph
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:55:10 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI


I know that it's bad manners to flame spelling mistakes, but I couldn't
resist this one.

In article <1h2dtbINNbtp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> shamim@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim) writes:
>In article <BzJo08.HKw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:

>Read advice # 1.
>
>|> 
>|> How can anybody hate any Pakistani with the kind soul like you and Sir Mustafa
>|> IDIOT as her citizen

>Check for grammer.
>          ^^^^^^

Check for spelling :)

>|> 
>|> Yeah, Yeah you are 100% right. Oh! what wisdom and Knowledge.  Afterall you
>|> are the citizen of most pUrest country on this planet
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^
>check for grammer.
>

Read advice # 1.     

>Tariq Shamim


I know that it's bad manners to flame spelling mistakes, but I couldn't
resist this one :)






-- 
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Graduate student             |
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From: mece21x@rosie.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:06 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1992Dec18.145430.3979@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes...

> It is said that those who know don't see any world but god himself. Hence,
> God can be represented by anything in this world, because nothing is 
> profane or sacred in this world, according to Hinduism.

I confess ignorance here. There is a question that comes to my mind, I thought
that many things were held sacred in Hinduism. Are idols of worship sacred?
Was cow held as a sacred animal at any time? Many times I have seen people
making money out of "sacred" bulls in many parts of India. 

>   My problem is not with the philosophies. The problem is who the f*** 
> you are to impose your philosophy on others. Who the f*** gave you the
> right to break temples? Breaking of other's places of worship has been
> characteristic of Islam right from the beginning starting with the prophet
> of Islam himself. You muslims did not feel the pain then, but now that
> power is no longer with muslims and your places of worship are being
> broken then you are crying hoarse. As you sow, so you reap. That is the
> law of nature.
> 

Same applies to us too. Over 50 temples have already been fully or partially
destroyed in reaction to the breaking of Babri Masjid. Most of these are in
Bangladesh and Pakistan. 3 or 4 in Afghanistan, 1 in Dubai, 1 in England.
In one case of destruction 7 people including 6 women were burnt inside a 
temple. In another "stray" incident in Pakistan, 6 Hindu kids, under the
age of 10 were stoned to death. Are you saying that only Muslims feel the
pain now? If one of those kids happened to be your younger brother or kid
sister or if one of those women happened to be your mom, you would be thinking
a lot different now. Like your "who the f***" will possibly change to "what
the f***"....

> Raja   
> 

Sincerely
Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Mass grave
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:49:08 GMT
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A mass grave from 1971 was unearthed in the Mirpur area around the
10th. 

Details later

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: wasi@athena.mit.edu (Wasiuddin A. Wahid)
Subject: Re: Sonar Bangla(a nightmare) 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:39:34 GMT

Mustafa Ibrahim

You have proved yet again what an ignorant f***** you are!

You are in for IT!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
	<1992Dec12.093424.28747@raven.alaska.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:59:32 GMT
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In article <1992Dec12.093424.28747@raven.alaska.edu> sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya) writes:
>I am curious. I have lived in both W.Bengal and in Tripura but have never
>come into contact with Chakma refugees. With the extent of terrorism aimed
>by the Bangladeshi Govt at these people( as claimed in this newsgroup),
>I would expect quite a few. Does the GOI have any camps for these refugees 
>in either of the above mentioned states?

Yes the GOI has very large refugee camps in Tripura. I posted an
article earlier about a GOI proposal to push these refugees back into
B'desh.

Saif



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:58:11 GMT

In article <1gt3mcINN2elr@bailey.cs.yale.edu> ahmed%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>In article <18DEC199217545263@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch
>(MIRZA,I./EP) writes: 
>
>>     Lucky ME, you and MULLAHS like you can never turn the clock
>arround.
>
>[rest of gas deleted]
>
>I see no reason to follow up to something which is
>
>1) insulting
>2) void of facts
>3) illogical
>4) completely misses the point of the article that it followed up to
>
>I've said all I need to say.

No, Mr. Shakil Waiz Ahmed, that is ALL you CAN say.


>
>-- Shakil
>
>
Bye, Bye, Bengali Bhai,
Shams Hasan.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid demolished
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:28:31 GMT

neep@sgi.elec.uq.oz.au (Neep Hazarika) writes:

>g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:


>>Although Javed ask you to prove but I assume that what you said is true then
>>I would like to know the reactions on follwing comment.

>>If Islam has spread by Sword and by the force then why Muslims(converted)
>>still like to remain Muslims and not rejoin their old faith.

>>Bye
>>Adil

>Because Islam, despite claims to the contrary, has a notorious record of
>rewriting history. Take for example, Iran, whose glorious days under the
>reign of Cyrus and Darius are called the days of Jahilliya, or age of 
>darkness. This period was probably the most glorious period those poor Iranians
>ever knew.

>Cheers,

>-- 
>Neep Hazarika	Department of Electrical Engineering
>		University of Queensland, St. Lucia, QLD, Australia, 4072
>Phone:	+61-7-365-3723 (work)	+61-7-371-8892 (home)  Fax +61-7-365-4999
>INTERNET: neep@hebb.elec.uq.oz.au OR neep@s1.elec.uq.oz.au


Neep:

O.K. If we assume that Islamic countries are distorting the History and
labelling old golden periods as the Darkdays then still my question
has remained unanswered.

Hope you get it right.

Bye
adil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: BANGLA MAGZ
Originator: hassan@bcrka434
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:01:29 GMT



	                December 1992 issue of
			----------------------

			THE MONTHLY BANGLADESH
			======================

		FIRST BANGLA MONTHLY FROM NORTH AMERICA
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Bangladesh Publications has been publishing a regular bangla monthly
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various issues pertinent to us in this society. The project is
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++ Interview of Dr. Badruddoza Chowdhury

++ Interview of Dr. Shahjahan (VC, BUET)

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++ Few articles on our Liberation war

++ First part of a three part series on International 
   trade trend and Bangladesh -- Dr. Mamudul Anam

++ An analysis of the attitude of our women and 
   women lib -- Alam Khorshed

++ Sports

++ Poems                                                         

++ Report on community activities  

++ Two short stories

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Generalization about Pakistanis (Re: They are M.F.)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:45:29 GMT
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In article <BzE5A6.CqI@ns1.nodak.edu> husain@plains.NoDak.edu (Abu Husain) writes:
	   That's why I personally don't like any Pakistanies.
	   I don't even talk to them because  most of them
	   are M.F. 
----
You may not personally like Pakistanis, and it is your right not to talk
to them. But they are not all "M.F.".
I feel sorry for your personal acrimonious experience.

--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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