HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: inews
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:55:51 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt) writes:

> root@rgm.com (System Administrator) writes:
>
> : I've tracked my problem down to a couple of lines in the inews script.
> : Could someone please post their WORKING inews script (from Cnews) here?
> 
> It's more than just inews, it's also anne.jones and defhdrs.awk. Here
> they are: Also, you need to set /etc/ATclock to be all executable.

Not necessarily, it depends on how you generate your message IDs. I
modified my C News to generate "traditional" message IDs, the Coherent
port was by default making slightly different ones (I think with date).
This can be done with a bit of script hacking, and I can post these if
there's interest.

However, I'm now using bits of Brendan Kehoe's speedup kit that
reimplements some stuff in C. I'm using the anne.jones replacement (which
also replaces defhdrs.awk) here.

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs)
Subject: Need c++ compiler
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:03:25 GMT



The subject says it, I'm looking for a c++ compiler that will
work with Coherent 3.2.1

Anyone know of one?

-John D. Boggs     mwcbbs!boggs!jdb     john-boggs@uiowa.edu
From: paradox@cats.ucsc.edu (Paul Mooser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Giving up on Coh 4.0 ... unfortunately.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:19:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: tech support, install problems


Well, I'm sorry to say it, but it looks like I'm not going to be
able to stick with coherent. After numerous tries, I still have
not been able to get it installed on my main work computer.

I've mailed support@mwc.com several times, all with no reply, and then
bob@mwc.com ... To bob's credit, I've gotten a reply once or twice, 
but the important mail never seems to get a reply. 

I'm not going to return the product ... maybe I'll
find a use for it sometime in the future ... 

It just irks me a bit that mail gets so easily "lost" ... it seems
a bit strange ... I almost am at the point of wondering
if some of it gets ignored ...
From: kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas)
Subject: Re: HS modems / Coh UUCP 4.02
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:23:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vacaville, CA

Hi:
aag510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven Sobol) writes:
> 
> I need help from people with high-speed (specifically V.32bis) modems.
> I can run my BocaModem 14.4K at 2400 baud with no errors, but not at 9600
> or 19.2K. I get transmission errors and finally a message that Coh. UUCP
> 'cannot read packet' after which it hangs up. I am running the modem in
> polled mode since I had trouble getting it to work in interrupt mode,
  ^^^^^^
        Everything that I have read about high speed modem communications
says that the connection *must* be in interrrupt mode. The only reason I
can see that a serial device is called in polled mode is due to port
conflicts. Change the port address/interrupt for the modem; also polling 
is set up to constantly check and see if the device has anything to give. 
Polling, if fast enough theoretically to catch stuff at 9.6K or faster,
would leave very little time for the O/S to do any real work. See TFM for
info about the asy driver. 
>
> and I'm thinking that either
> 1. my slow 16mhz computer is dropping characters from the serial port, or
>
	Probably the UART. Do you have a 16550AFN UART? This fellow has a 
16 byte cache that dramatically cuts the CPU I/O processing; vital for a 
multitasking O/S. It allows up to 3 milliseconds of buffering at 38.4 Kbps
before sending an interrupt. Many PC's are set up with 8250/16450/16550 UARTs. 
MS-DOS can get away with the slower-older chips because the machine does 
*only one* thing at a time. If the UART is a 16450/16550 and is in a socket, 
it can be easily pried out and replaced by a 16550AFN for @$15; it is pin 
compatible.  If the UART is soldered in, an alternative is a internal modem 
or a high speed serial port card @$85.
	For a general review of high speed modems, check out PC Magazine,
March 17, 1992 pp285-339.
> 
> 2. my modem is not really running at the speed at which it should be running
>    because error correction or data compression is enabled. I want to test
>    9600 first with no error correction or compression, but I'm not sure how
>    to.
>
	Check the modem manual for the register settings. You will want 
the serial communication to take place at your *data* speed or faster, 
not the modem communication speed. Since a 9600 v32bis v42bis modem can 
theoretically work at 38.4 Kbps, the serial port and driver must be enabled 
to handle this speed or faster. A 14.4Kbps v32bis v42bis modem can use 
57.6Kbps. A problem here; a quick glance at <sgtty.h> shows a fastest 
speed of 38.4Kbps and two unlabeled speeds.  
	MWC, are you listening? We need higher speed drivers!

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From: dfilip@colorne.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Bootable floppy
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:01:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Summary: How does one run Coherent from a floppy ?
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

I need something explained to me :

I am attempting to build a stand-alone boot floppy, so that if my hard disk
crashes or is replaced, I will have something to boot from.

I have performed the following steps :

1. fdformat /dev/fha0
2. mkfs -b /conf/boot.fha /dev/fha0 2400
3. mount /dev/fha0 /f0
4. (copy a bunch of files, including tboot, coherent, bin/sh, bin/sync,
   etc/init, etc/brc, etc/drvld.all, and conf/kbd/*)
5. umount /dev/fha0
6. Reboot

Although when I reboot I am booting off of the floppy, the system executes off
of the hard disk and goes into multi-user mode (/etc/brc is executed off
of the hard disk, and the one of the floppy is ignored).

My concern is if the hard disk is damaged or replaced, will I be able to
do anything from the floppy (i.e., run badscan, mkfs, restor, cpio, etc.)
or will the system still try to use the hard disk (at0?) as the root
file system and die ? Why dosn't it see the floppy as the root device ?
(although I think the answer is that it is configured as part of the kernal,
that means that the kernal is ONLY useful when the hardware is intact !).

Yes, I do realize that I would need to copy whatever utilities I needed to
the floppy, but I am not sure if I could get to them because once the system
boots /dev/fha0 is NOT mounted.

Can anyone please explain this to me ?

Thanks,

Dave.

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From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: ports to 4.0
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:47:45 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

David John Murdoch at duncan of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
on <Oct 11 at 02:30>

 DJMad> From: root@duncan (David John Murdoch at duncan)
 DJMad> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
 DJMad> Organization: Duncan Computer Centre and Home Brewery
 DJMad> Reply-To: djm@duncan.alt.ns.ca (David John Murdoch at duncan)

 DJMad> In article <920927253@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
writes:
>
>Yes, elm is worth only the half without manuals. In the meantime
>you should find them on raven (elmman.tar.Z).

 DJMad> Where on raven is elmman.tar.Z?

  Can someone put it on MWCBS as well....

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From: olaf@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: tin
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW  
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 17:15:38 -1

olaf@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei) writes:

>Hi!

>On today I use TIN , its work fine !
only a test.
From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coho 4.0.1 on a Toshiba Laptop...But, TERM problems
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:48:59 GMT
Organization: A.T.W.W.

In article <1992Oct12.134022.2147@panix.com> cht@panix.com (Chris Taylor) writes:
>Coherent 4.0.1 installs and runs great on a Toshiba T1800 Satellite laptop!
>
>But...
>When I set my TERM environment variable to vt100, and log into a Unix system,
>everything is peachy until I try to use vi. I make sure that the host I log
>into has its' TERM set to vt100, too, of course. So I log in, start vi (on
>the remote host) and the screen goes blank! Ugh! This happens with ckermit 
>and mcu (that I got off raven.alaska.edu). I have tried this on two Unices,
[stuff deleted]
>So has anybody else observed similar problems? Should I get the systems
>to use some other TERM setup? Hopefully you Coho gurus can have a hint
>or two to shed light on this problem.

I've had the same thing happen to me as well, although what I've done on
the remote Unix machines to set them up with ANSI termcap files.  

I would however love to know the reason and a fix for this bad behaviour.
It's pretty nasty when the only way to get that screen back is to reboot
the machine . . . 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: root@rgm.com (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: searching for uucico-update
Organization: RGM Unix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:44:58 GMT

Mike@tron.gun.de (Michael Gerhards) writes:

>Hello,

>someone told me that there is an update of the uucico-programm distributed
>with Coherent 4.0.1. I know, it should be at MWCBBS, but I don't know the
>exactly directory. I tried to download a list of availiable programs, but
>the line to the USA is very bad and after 10 times I gave up.

>Could anyone here write me the directory where this update is ??
>( and perhaps the directory of 'uusecure.tar.Z' ?? )

>Thanks in advance...

>c u

>Michael
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I was having trouble getting uusecure myself from mwcbbs because the exact
'lost packets' problem it's supposed to fix kept interupting the transfer.
For this reason, MWC offered to mail the disk to me (and did)!  I know you're
overseas, but perhaps they'd do it anyway.

BTW - I DID get it transfered the day before I got the disk.  But that's
probably only because I'm in the US.

Good luck!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Subject: Re: elm problems
Organization: Private Coherent Site
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:25:15 GMT

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Alex Dumitru (alex@meadow.uucp) wrote:
: just wondering if anybody else has run into this problem...
: 
: 	after creating the elm binary running the damn thing produces 
: 	a core dump with a user trap - segment violation. it seems
: 	that the ClearScreen() call does it. more specifically
: 	the tputs(_clearscreen,1 .... ) seems to be the culprit.
: 	i am linking both the -lcurses and -lterm libs
: 
: thanx in advance 
: alex
: -- 

You have to use '-lterm -lcurses' in this order. I ran into that problem
while compiling tin. With '-lcurses -lterm' it dumps core. Strange, but
true ...

Ecki
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: PP14400FXSA Modem setup
From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 01:21:50 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

Bob Becker of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/1110.1
on <Oct 06 at 18:06>

 BB> From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
 BB> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
 BB> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760
guest) 

 BB> I have a Practical Peripherals PM14400FXSA modem that I can't
 BB> seem to get working properly with Coherent 4.0.1.

 BB> If anyone has doen this successfully, I'd appreciate a copy of
 BB> the modem setup and init strings.
 BB> Thanks!

   I have one and love it!!!  ;-)

   I just reset it with ATZ0  (I use the hayes builtin setup).
   Then I turn my speaker off (M0).
   Then I turn compression off as most files and mail is already compressed.
   (S46=0).

   So my init string = ATZ0 M0 S46=0.....

   Hope this helps.. Let me  know if you need any more info..
   Here is the rest of my setup..
  

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From: brian@panix.com (Brian Childs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: How do I handle the Death of a Child Process???
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:14:07 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Under SunOs when a child process dies you get a SIGCHLD signal,
but coherent doesn't have this signal.

Does anyone know what the correct procedure is for notifying a
parent process that one of its child processes has just died??

Thanks in advance,
Brian
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: ports to 4.0
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:14:08 GMT

David John Murdoch at duncan (root@duncan) wrote:
: In article <920927253@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: >
: >Yes, elm is worth only the half without manuals. In the meantime
: >you should find them on raven (elmman.tar.Z).
: 
: Where on raven is elmman.tar.Z?

I tried to mail it to Jay several times, but it bounces back to me.
So I mailed it to someone in the US to upload it to raven for me.
He'll post here what he received from me and what is uploaded to
raven. Please be patient, thanks.
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From: mike@array.com (Mike Willett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: coherent on second harddisk... possible???
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:52:34 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

mdewinter@vms.eurokom.ie wrote:
: Hi,
: I would like to know if it is possible to set up coherent on a second harddisk
: I'm having a 486, 8Mb RAM, 200 Mb harddisk (which is almost full), running
: dr dos 6.0
: I plan to buy a second harddisk, and install coherent there.
: Does anyone has experience, advise, etc. about that?



	It is easy to do. The main thing is to get the address and IRQs
	straight on the cards (if they have the capability).
	
	One drive Coherent compatible, one not:
	---------------------------------------
	I have two controllers in my system, one an IDE controller
	with a 40 Meg HD, and a second controller a Future Domain
	1670 with two Conner 40 meg SCSI drives and an archive viper
	150. Since the Future Domain 1670 card is not supported by
	Coherent, I have my DOS there, so for DOS I have 80 Meg of
	disk, for Coherent just about 40 Meg.  I will invest in a 
	bigger Coherent drive sometime soon!

	The IDE drive is the boot drive, with two partitions.  The first 
	partition is about 3 Meg total (small!) the rest of the drive is 
	a Coherent partition.  I load DOS into the first 3Meg partition, 
	and the DOS applications on the SCSI drives.

	When the system boots, I press "1" to get to partition 1, which is
	the second partition of the IDE drive. It then runs Coherent.  When
	I boot Dos, I boot it without typing, and it boots from the IDE
	drive, and then puts you in the second drive, a SCSI drive to run
	apps on. I run a Complete PC voicemail/fax/modem on the Dos OS,
	so I want DOS to be the default O system. I use the modem for
	Coherent.

	Both drives are compatible with Coherent:
	-----------------------------------------
	Real easy!  Just let the bootstrap put you on the drive that you
	want to access.  You make the second drive a Coherent drive 
	(partition) and in the bootstrap press the number that correlates
	to that partition. See the release notes for compatible hardware,
	or the FAQ, (which slightly out of date for 4.0).

	Keep in mind that DOS is not as flexible as Coherent.  Dos must 
	always be on the first partition (0). Coherent can be on other
	partitions and works fine.

	The above works for both 3.2 and the 4.X releases.  

	--Mike  mike@array.com


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jon@DIALix.oz.au (Jonathan Kitchin)
Subject: Mix Multi-C
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:01:22 GMT
Keywords: multithreading


My copy of Multi-C compiles OK in Turbo C 2.0 and runs OK in DOS
using the example space invader game provided.
In coherent 401 the first file in the library group of nine files
will not compile on this line:
typedef ECODE (*TRAVERSE_FUNC)(void*,void*,int,int,void*);
the result for this lineis: missing ')'
			missing semicolon
			declarator syntax
			external syntax
This line is a part of the header file 'mtc_defs.h'
ECODE itself is defined just before the above error line
typedef enum {13 error names...} ECODE;
this compiles OK
TRAVERSE_FUNC is on a line in the header file 'mtc.h' but is not
used in the first file 'abend.c'
jon kitchin
ZZ
wq
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: stephen@glas.rtsg.mot.com (Stephen Shortland)
Subject: Re: Bootable floppy
Organization: Motorola CIG, Cork, IRELAND
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:15:05 GMT

In article <13@colorne.UUCP> dfilip@colorne.UUCP writes:
> 
> 1. fdformat /dev/fha0
> 2. mkfs -b /conf/boot.fha /dev/fha0 2400
> 3. mount /dev/fha0 /f0
> 4. (copy a bunch of files, including tboot, coherent, bin/sh, bin/sync,
>    etc/init, etc/brc, etc/drvld.all, and conf/kbd/*)
> 5. umount /dev/fha0
> 6. Reboot
> 
> Although when I reboot I am booting off of the floppy, the system executes off
> of the hard disk and goes into multi-user mode (/etc/brc is executed off
> of the hard disk, and the one of the floppy is ignored).

You need to patch the kernel on the floppy to tell it that the root
device (and pipe device) are now on the floppy. Read the Lexicon
article on making a bootable floppy. In there it explains how to patch
the kernel. You will also probably need to change etc/brc on the
floppy to prevent the system from going into multi user mode. Multi
user mode requires a lot more on the floppy, or it will not work!

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From: LECTRICAMISH@DELPHI.COM (ROBERT WILLIS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Elm from raven
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:05:19 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I've been having problems ftping elm from raven.alaska.edu, the file
elm.zipaf seems to be corrupted in some way,
the same thing happens when i try to get it from the mwcbbs directory
where the file is one large 1 instead of broken up.  ftp just seems
to stall at around 300k in the file, have no idea what would cause it,
.  thanks
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Access to MWCBBS
Keywords: MWCBBS
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:02:03 GMT

In article <9210071155.30@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.230348.28336@glv.uucp> rcc%frog@glv writes:
>>--
>>rcc%frog@glv.com                 
>     ^^^^
>
>The sysadmin of this machine should consider changing the name.
>
>The system frog.UUCP has been on the net since 1985, and is registered
>in the UUCP maps.  And it is located in Massachusetts.
>
>-- 
>
>rmk@frog.UUCP
     ^^^^

Sorry to see that you are having an EGO problem but the two (2) email
addresses are entirely different and should pose no problem with any of the
smart mailers that exist on the net as the routers for email.



Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: ELM on raven.alaska.edu
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:43:56 GMT

ayub@krypton.Stanford.EDU (Ayub Butt) writes:

>Finally, someone also suggested that ELM is not easy to deal with without
>the manual and the its manual is available on the net also. Any help
>would be greatly appreciated.

It's not hard to use the basic features; to use forms or the 'filter' 
program, you should have the manuals. I got manuals with elm, but it
was mailed to me (I didn't pull it off the net).

-Steve

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