From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:27:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:

>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>>                      ... The simple fact remains that the majority of
>>the net thinks that a comic book is a comic book, and while we may know
>>different, we are not the only people to consider in this mattter. The
>>group, IMHO, should be called rec.arts.comics.manga.

>Bad argument, IMHO.  That's akin to saying: Although we know [truth] the 
>public thinks [not truth]  Since the public is involved, we'll propose
>[not truth] so it will be passed.  In the end, this promotes the belief in
>[not truth].

    It might not be the best argument to use, but it could be a deciding
factor in the outcome of the vote, when you get a bunch of people saing
in their votes that manga should be under r.a.comics. I've seen this
kind of thing happen in the past, and nothing has really changed to make
me thing otherwise.

>Perhaps rec.arts.comics.manga is the appropriate name.  But not by that
>argument.  That's like saying, "Since most people believe that hyenas are
>closer to the canine family than to the feline one, we'll put it in
>*dog.hyena."  That's simply uncool.  It's better suited in *cat.hyena.

>Before following up to this post.  Note that I am only refering to the
>*argument.*  Not to this debate.  I just don't think that argument
>belongs anywhere. [and I know *cat.hyena would be wrong, too] :-)

    I see your point here, and I realize that I was not as clear as I
could have been in what my above paragraph was in reference to.

>BTW:  My vote is for rec.arts.manga because manga *should* be on the same
>level as its US cousin, and I don't think rec.arts.comics.us will pass.
>And it fits nicely there as things are now:

    No it shouldn't. We are talking about naming hierarchies here, and
not some percieved value that is represented by that name. There is also
the fact that rec.arts.comics will be splitting in the near future, as
it is too large to manage at present in one group, just as sf-lovers,
star trek, and, hopefully, rec.games.frp were. Once the split happens it
will be much hader to move the manga group into the appropriate
hierarchy for all comic book related discussions, than if we did that
now.

>rec.arts.animation
>rec.arts.anime
>rec.arts.comics
>rec.arts.manga

    Using the animation groups as precedent for your proof is not really
a good idea, IMHO. Especially since r.a.anime predates r.a.animation,
and the manga group does not predate rec.arts.comics. Actually very few
groups predate rec.arts.comics, since it was around from the time before
the first Great Reorg(tm) that gave us the rec.* hierarchy, as
net.comics.

>Note, too, that r.a.m has viable subgroups. [ex. r.a.m.synopsis]  This is more
>cumbersome under comics. [rec.arts.comics.anime.synopsis]

    This should have very little bearing on the name of the first group.
The fact that a group might at some later point split is irrelevant to
its creation, since those splits might never happen.

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