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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills/ Jets receiver trade? Not!
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:59:28 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <sduEADC00WBNQ5xWMe@andrew.cmu.edu>, ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao) writes:
> On 13-Apr-92 in Bills/ Jets receiver trade?..
> user T. Steegman@ubvmsb.cc.bu writes:
>> 
>>	That last post said that many NFL teams would trade their receivers
>>for those of the Jets. Please get real.Though the Jets have SOME talent,
>>they have a long way to go before the Bills would trade Reed, Beebe,
> and Lofton
>>for a has been and a few might be's.  Miami will provide the only significant
>>challenge to the Bills in this coming year in the AFC East. Also, I don't feel
>>that the Chiefs will have as good a year as last. Just a hunch. Denver in the
>>West, Oilers in the Central. That is unless Brister comes back from the dead
>>or wherever he is...
>> 
> 
> Excuse me, but Moore of the Jets is not a "might be".  He is a star, now!

Then you and I have different interpretations of "star" cus I agreed with
the other guy.  To me a "star" is a guy like Rice, Clark, Rison, Reed and
those types, not Rob Moore.  I do not have Moore's stats, and if you do post
them as part of your arguement for Moore, but I do not see him as a "star"
yet.
> 
Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WLAF Ohio Glory 0-10????
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:37:30 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr06.173835.25344@demon.co.uk>, coombes@tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombes) writes:
> 
> 
> Any ideas what the WLAF will do if Ohio follow Raleigh-Durham into 0-10 
> obscurity ????

Watch it there is an Ohio Glory fan on the net, and you are painting
"attack me" on yourself.  I am about to do the same though.  Ohio seems to
have 1 awful QB (Laugherberg) and 1 mediocre QB, and when they had a good RB
performance from Rasul, he was nowhere to be found in week 2.
> 
> Stan,
> 
> ********************************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New England Patriots, The Team of Destiny in the 90's <<<<<<<<<<<<<
> *****************************************************************************

You don't really believe this do you?  With a QB as old and Bad as Millen is
You better not or else you will be heartbroken.

> Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em, That I got no cerebellum, | Ramones,
> Now I'll have to break the news, that I got no mind to lose. | Teenage Lobotomy
> ********************************************************************************

Brian Mulholland
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From: pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil)
Subject: Thurman Thomas
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:16:40 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

Hi netters, 

With the college basketball season being over and all, I am trying to catch up 
on the NFL and stuff.  I have kept up with the Broncos player/personnel moves,
but I have not kept up with the rest of the league.  If anybody out there 
could mail me information about the major trades, plan B stuff, rules changes, 
etc.....  I would greatly appreciate it.  

Thanks in Advance,
--Pranav (pranav@evolving.com)

PS: I read that Thurman Thomas had been traded to the Packers??  Is this true??
    I knew that he was not completely happy in Buffalo, but I did not know that
    he wanted to be traded.  
-- 
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE TRADED
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:09:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr05.215859.8255@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
>The Brown and White out of Bethlehem reported in their weekly sports column
>that Bubby Brister will be traded sometime this week for Jeff George and wide
>receiver Billy Brooks.  Anyone else hear of this?
>-- 
>               TONY, TONY, TONY
>               BROADHEAD 312
>               758-1378

What!??!?!!

This is either an outright HOAX, or the greatest trade in the history of the
Pittsburgh Steelers.

(Can you spell I - R - S - A - Y boys and girls?)
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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Rushing leaders projected....
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:30:55 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <d##v53j@rpi.edu>, ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth) writes:
> I SAID NFC........Thurman thomas is not in the NFC

All together now...OOOPS!!!
A couple things.
1st, why just the NFC? why not do the whole NFl?
2nd that chenges my list to
Barry Sanders
Emitt Smith
Ricky Ervins
Rodney Hampton

Anderson I think will not return to former form.  He played rotten last year,
but I never thought the world of him in the first place, and I thunk he just
thrived off the formerly tough Bear OL.  There was a rookie who played in
the playoff game, that looked F***ing sharp!  Bears fans? His name?

3rd What was with that Rodney hampton gag?
it was almost as hilarious as the Walker gag (mostl;y because the Walker thing
is too depressing)
Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: McMahon tough??? (Was:Re: APOLOGY: WRONG INFO ON BUBBY TRADE)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:28:13 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

> 	Pittsburgh needs anything but an old QB with only a couple
> years of life left in him.  McMahon is tough, but not tough enough to
> stand for a whole year behind Pittsburgh's Offensive Line.  Who was
> Brister's backup?  What could these two teams be thinking?
> *******************************************************************************
> Christian Day                         
> Brandeis University 
> Department of Computer Science	    
> Waltham, MA  02154-9110
> (617) 926-1465 
> *******************************************************************************
>                    A Patriots fan stuck in New England!!!
> *******************************************************************************

McMahon is tough?  Mentally maybe but the guy is such a little wimp!  He
got hurt this season by running out of bounds.  The D Line was barred from 
sneezing during practices for fear the they might hurt McMahon (ok bad joke
but live with it)
McMahon is the biggesdt wimp in football (possible exception of *your least
favorite player's name that spends alot of time on IR*)
Brian Mulholland
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From: gwf@sapphire (George W. Fleming)
Subject: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:29:21 GMT
Summary: Is it true?
Keywords: draft

One of our local papers here (Newark Star Ledger) is reporting that
Washington Redskins is trying to work  out a trade with the Rams to
move from the sixth pick in the first round up to the third pick, in 
order to draft a DT from Pittsburg that the skins want. 

Does anyone know of further details?  Who is this DT from Pittsburgh
(I don't even remember his name...)?  Is he that good?


-- 
-------------------------
George W. Fleming
gwf@sapphire.bellcore.com
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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?   Nagle possibilities
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:03:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr13.175436.3296@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>>Browning Nagle - shows glimmers of hope, *possible* star, if not decent QB
>>
>>What do impartial fans think?
>>
> 
> I saw Nagle in a scrimmage against the Redskins last summer.  He looked 
> horrible.  But he was a rookie then.  Perhaps he has greatly improved
> in a year.
> 
> 					me

I did not see Nagle in that game but I remeber seeing him somewhere (I forget
where unfortunately) and he did not impress me.  I wonder how the Jets will
be competitive since O'Brien's agent filled his head with dreams of a big
contract because of a playoff berth and a Pro=Bowl aoppearance.  O'Brien
may be a hold out and even if he weren't he sux, so Nagle looks to get the
green flag, but how can you expect a (essentially) rookie to lead a team
to a playoff berth?  I think Nagle will need time.  During that time the
Jets should be doing everything possible to grab some impact players to
add to the roster.   If they do then by the time Nagle is ready the team
should be ready to support him in a SB campaign (assuming Jets fans know
what they are talking about when they say Nagle is a "possible star").
Brian Mulholland
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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:09:44 GMT

>>I saw Nagle in a scrimmage against the Redskins last summer.  He looked 
>>horrible.  But he was a rookie then.  Perhaps he has greatly improved
>>in a year.
>>
>>					me
>
>    I saw the same game he played one series and drove 92 yards in 6 plays
>    ending with a 15 yard sidearm TD pass to Thomas. Thats the only time
>    he was in that game. If that's horrible please give me more horrible
>    players. You're probably talking about Kenny O' he was'nt too impressive.

It wasn't a game; it was a scrimmage.  And nothing like the above happened.
I believe we're talking about different instances.  I'd heard about
Nagle's powerful arm and was looking forward to seeing him play.  He
stunk.  But that was just a rookie in one scrimmage.  Your testimony
seems to be that he has done better elsewhere.  I accept that.  We
won't really know what Nagle is make of until he plays with the big boys.

					me
From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: JETS Fans??????
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:26:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <YdsYpCW00Uh7E7kjE1@andrew.cmu.edu> ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao) writes:
>On 07-Apr-92 in Re: JETS Fans??????          
>user daniel.b.vought@cbnewsm. writes:
>>   
>> 
>>     more info furnished upon request.
>
>What's the inside scoop about Browning Nagle?  Will he be given the
>opportunity to compete for 1st string? Will O'Brien definitely be
>starting one more year, or will O'Brien be traded (if anyone wants him)?
> 
>
  The Jets are having a veteran mini camp this week and Kenny O' is 
   a no-show and is still unsigned so Nagle and Taylor have been
   running the offense. I see Nagle as #1 and Kenny O' as #2 . Stienburg
   wanted Nagle in by Thanksgiving last year but as long as they had
   a shot at the playoffs he didn't think it was fair to the defense
   to break in a rookie QB. And speaking of the D Carrol has Erik McMillen
   playing left cornerback so he and lonnie Young can both start. When
   asked how he felt about it Erik said " I AINT'GOT NOTHIN TO SAY "

  Daniel V                                               GO JETS!
>
>-------------
>King Yao                       
>Economics 
>Class of '92                   
>Carnegie Mellon
From: billiam@uts.amdahl.com (Bill Swortwood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: S.F. and Raiders.....
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:16:43 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

From article <53926@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, by rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith):
> In article <1992Apr15.212831.24193@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>>You refer to "got rid of" when in actuality all they did was place RC
>>and RL on Plan-B.  They (being the 49'ers) that they were in a
>>rebuilding phase and that the chance of RL and RC leaving the team was
>>not that high.  RL had just come off a mediocre season and RC was a
>>bit past his prime according to most analyists.  I believe that the
>>second fact has borne itself out rather well.
> 
> A very good point and one that every 49er fan I know or read on teh net seems
> to have missed. The Niners didn't release Lott and Craig, they left them
> unprotected with the understanding that they could resign them. Lott and Craig
> chose on their own to sign with the Raiders. They were wanted back by the 49ers
> and it simply allowed them to protect 2 younger players(although Bubba Paris
> WAS protected which was a major blubber oops blunder). It was the players, not
> the team that caused the 2 popular players to wind up in LA. Why does everybody
> blame the team and absolve Ronnie and Roger of any blame?
> 

Just to expand on your point, Ronnie Lott wrote a book ("Total Impact")  in
which he addressed the Plan B incident with the '9ers. Apparently the 49er
organization felt that Ronnie was pretty beaten up at the end of the '90
season, and felt that he would play himself onto the IR list, due to the
nature of his agressiveness and age. They therefore wanted to have him as a
starter only for the '91 season, and then move into coaching this year.
The placement on plan B also afforded the 49er organization to re-negotiate
his contract for '91, which they  expressed the desire to cut, also due to 
anticipated IR time for Ronnie in '91.  The organization wanted to keep 
Lott, but on their terms. Ronnie felt that he could be a starter for 2 more
years, and wanted to be afforded the chance to do so. 

The presentation of being moved to plan B by Siefert to Ronnie, was, in a
word, tactless.  The team saw several safeties fall by the wayside, and 
wanted Ronnie to step down gracefully and intact. But they did not take
into account Lott's desire and drive to play the game, or his leadership
role as a field general. And it was arrogant to assume when a man is through.
So Ronnie took his marbles up the street. He is playing on his terms. The
49er organization has admitted in various ways that they screwed up with
Ronnie -- mistakes were made, all parties move on.  Even championship teams
do dumb things. 
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News from the Bay Area (No not *that* Bay Area - Green Bay!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:10:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <ddrumm.226z@amiganet.chi.il.us>, ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes...

>John G Heim:

You're asking me personnally?  Geez, what do I know?

> I'm a Bears fan, so I admit I'm a biased fan, but do you really think that 
> Majik is the Packers man? There was talk when he tried to come back last 
> year that he may have been a one season wonder. And of course you have 
> Tomczak, who will most likely have 

Well, Mike Holmgren, who probably knows more about this than all of us 
put together, thinks he might be.  Although the Packers traded a #1 for 
Brett Favre, Holmgren has made no secret that Majik is the Packers #1 
QB.  

We've discussed this before but Majik wasn't really a 1 year wonder.  
He looked good in this rookie year, earned the starting job in his 
second year and looked pretty good, and then had the great year in 
'89.  In '90 he was starting to play well after holding out when he 
was injured.

Bill Walsh said once that Majkowski is the closest thing the league 
has to Joe Montana.  I don't know.  When he plays well he's just about 
the best.  Walsh wasn't kidding when he said that.  Whether he'll ever 
be able to achieve that level of play again I don't know.  If he 
doesn't we'll never know if it's because of the rotator cuff tear or 
not.

Besides, what's a 'one season wonder'?  I mean, he was good enough to 
carry the team to 10-6 in 1989.  If you want to say he'll never come 
back from the rotator cuff tear, that fine.  We'll see.  But there's 
no denying what he did in 1989.  He was superb.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Fantasy League
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:43:22 GMT
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM ()
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com


	I have a league that is entering it's 4th season.
There are 5 places that are not yet claimed.  If anyone wants
to get in the league send me mail and I'll get you more info.

nate
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From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Subject: Re: Question for Bears fans
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:15:24 GMT

In article <17APR199211460887@summa.tamu.edu> h0j1297@summa.tamu.edu (BURT J.) writes:
>What's the status on Neal Anderson?  Do you think any backup up RB's will be
>getting more playing time?  (I'm not asking if Neal is hurt--I saw him play
>in a couple of games and he wasn't doing too hot).  Comments, thoughts,
>criticisms will be gladly accepted.  Thanks,
>
>Burt

Neal will *not* be getting less playing time.  His injury is supposedly healed
(that's what they said all last year too, i know) and the Bears simply don't
have the talent to back him up sufficiently.  Johnny Bailey's gone (not that
he was all that good) and the only decent back left is Mark Green and he's
mediocre at best.  Don't be fooled -- it wasn't the injury that hurt Neal so
much last year -- it was the mentality.  He was very disappointed in himself
and this lingered far longer than his injury.  He would rush with his head
down instead of looking in front of him, etc.  Thus, 2 yds. per carry.  With
a new season, I think you'll see his confidence return and if he can once
again run for 100+ yards/game the Bears with their most supreme deitific 
emperor coach, Mr. Ditka, will be *VERY* tough indeed.

--

Worship Ditka NOW.

-- 
"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."
				-Leon Trotsky
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Trade Rumors
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:45:44 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr17.133545.5855@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) writes:
> 
>     I was just wondering whether or not the people in Atlanta, or
> any of the other towns in the Bobby Humphrey Lottery have so much
> of a problem in getting his name right.  Ninety percent of the 
> people in Philadelphia who call WIP ask about the Igggles(Philly
> pronunication) getting Bobby Humphreys from Denver.  I always
> thought that he was at one time a DB for the Rams, not the 
> Eric Dickerson of the 90's.  
>               Rich
> -- 
> Goodnight teenagers.
>             ---Dennis Miller
> My boys can swim.
>             ---"Seinfeld"


I've never heard of him being called humphreys...
abuoit this eric dikerson thing....I really wouldn't use that label cus
it carries alot of negative connotations plus is not acurate even when
mere field performance is considered.
Brian Mulholland
From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 3rd time lucky for Bills?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:17:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.134218.26853@ncsu.edu> easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>I meant to say:
>
>"Kelso is NOT the best FS in the NFL.  Kelso is not Jack Tatum.
>Kelso is not Andre Waters.  Kelso is not an assassin."
>
>Got it now?
>
>The double helmet thing is totally unrelated to what you were
>relating it to.  Player X with double helmet does not imply
>dirty, cheap shot artist nor vice versa.  This is reality.

    The reason Kelso wears the "Galoob" helmet is because he gets migrane
    headaches during games.
 
  Daniel V                                                  GO-GO JETS!
From: f67709317@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bubby getting divorced
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:50:16 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67709317

In article <1992Apr14.035546.22659@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, fredg@ariel.yorku.ca (Fredrick Gonsalves) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.172445.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67709317@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>> More astounding news coming out of the Steeler camp regarding Bubby Brister.
>>> According to reliable sources, Bubby is getting divorced from Morganna, only
>>> a few hours after marrying her in a private ceremony.  Bubby commented,
>>> "I figured that marrying a big-breasted woman isn't going to help me
>>> regain the touch on my passes, which I feel I need to compete as a top-
>>> flight NFL quarterback."  Morganna had no comment.
>>> 
>>> When asked what he was going to do next, Bubby indicated he was going to
>>> try to force a trade.  "The Pittsburgh fans don't appreciate what I've
>>> done.  A situation like Seattle or Green Bay would be a healthier
>>> situation for me, I think.  I don't have to concentrate on dealing with
>>> all the pressure from the media and the owners.  People on the computer
>>> nets are getting all over me, too, so I'd like to prove them wrong."
>>> 
>>> Neither Green Bay Head Coach Mike Holmgren nor Seattle Head Coach Tom Flores
>>> would comment on possible deals to obtain Brister.  "Obviously we'd like to 
>>> have a top-flight QB on our roster," Flores said.  "It's all dependent on 
>>> whether Brister can fit into our system," said Holmgren, former assistant
>>> coach for Joe Montana and the San Francisco 49ers.
> Is this for real???????????

Sure.  Here are some further details:
  Brister and a fourth-round draft pick may be going to Seattle for John L.
Williams.  Neither player is happy with his current team.  Such a trade
would give Brister a chance to challenge Dan McGwire and Kelly Stouffer for
the top Seattle QB spot.  When asked for comment, McGwire said, "I think it's
a good idea.  I'm still a young guy, and I can learn from the veteran 
leadership of a guy like Brister.  It's healthy for me, I think."
  Pittsburgh would be getting an all-purpose RB for Neil O'Donnell to hand
off (and throw) to.  The trade isn't finalized yet, but it could be done as
early as draft day.  "I can't wait for the season to begin," Brister said.
"My mom still believes in me, and I do too.  Computer nerds don't know what
I've had to go through all these years."
-- 
Greg Franklin                             "Death is everywhere,
f67709317@ccit.arizona.edu          there are fries on the windscreen."
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