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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Evil norwegian imperialist revisionist exposed! (was: Assimilationspolitik)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:29:49 GMT
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <BxLnrA.K6x@news.chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
|> 
|>   Yup, so why have the so-called 'Norwegians' (in reality Danish colonizers)
|> colonized and annexed West-Sweden and renamed it 'Norway'? :)
|> 
|> -bertil-
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OK, you win - I give in   :-)


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From: tt@euler.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: Ancient prejudices
Originator: tt@euler.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
	<1992Nov10.030402.11576@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:15:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.030402.11576@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:

(Your lines are over 80 characters long.  Does that mean you've
gotten a decent terminal at last?)

>f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:

>>Just like the Swedish newspapers used to have these headlines, when Swedes
>>had been beaten in Finnkampen: "Day of the Mongols at the Stadium"
>>(This might be an urban legend though, allegedly happened sometimes in 
>>the 60's)

>I think the above is typical of this and the other recent threads about 
>the discrimination of Finns in Sweden, the rights of Finns in Sweden vs.
>the  rights of the Swedish speaking minority in Finland:  
>few Finns shouting discrimination based on anecdotes they themselves admit 
>of being dubious at best. I wish you'd read your posting a couple of times before you
>post and consider whether you posting actually has any factual content
>or something new to contribute instead of another "I heard that they did
>this to Finns in 19nn in the city X in Sweden, but it might not be true".

In this case however, I can confirm that I've seen the above quote
in a newspaper -- namely in a caricature by Kari Suomalainen,
who isn't exactly famous for his love of foreigners. 
I don't remember exactly what the picture was like, but it
had someone reading a Swedish newspaper with that title in it.
So it must be true. :-)

>Finland might be treating better its Lappish minority than other
>Nordic countries, but what about the gypsies? What type of prejudice
>do they face in Finland?  

Why, no prejudices but everybody knows they're thieves, unreliable and
incapable of honest work. ;->
It is still possible that the inhabitants of a building rise up
in revolt (...) when faced with the prospect of a gypsy family
moving in.  "We have no prejudices but it would lower the value
of our own apartments, you see."
I think gypsies are the worst treated ethnic minority in Finland,
even today.

>Or the small number of refugees, we have taken over the years?

That varies, for some reason it seems Vietnamese are generally
more accepted than Somals, for example, but anybody who looks
even slightly different or doesn't speak Finnish perfectly
will encounter some prejudice.
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:08:13 GMT


Gee, has anybody had a good WHALE burger recently?
(time to switch to our other thread, I think)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne)
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:44:38 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.204321.20048@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Satya Bhamidipati) writes:


       This might be on oft repeated topic. Please excuse
       me if so...

	   I have a finnish friend (from Helsinki) who says that
       alcoholism is rampant among men of Finland (Scandinavia in
       general). Is this true ? Are there any statistics to show
       that alcoholism is more/same/less than in other countries.
       From the picture my friend painted, it appears that a lot
       (no numbers) of MEN are alcoholics. 

	  If this is true, could someone explain why this is so ?
       If this can be blamed on the conditions of weather etc., I
       would expect that women too would be alcoholics (in the same
       numbers as men) . Could someone clarify these thoughts (or 
       misconceptions) ?



       Satya (satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu)

Wow, great topic !  Here is a subject all scandinavians (well, 
not danes, perhaps) can discuss with certain authority. This is perhaps 
our only Common Scandinavian Heritage these days. Not much to be proud of,
I'll admit, but a Common Heritage all the same ! :-)

I don't think alcoholism is more common in Scandinavia than in, say, the US.
Actually, I think it is less common !  But the drinking habits are different.
We don't drink much during the week, but Fridays & Saturdays we do !

So the average alcohol consume is not very high. And not so many people are
alcoholics, in the sense that they drink constantly, and need a certain 
level of alcohol in their blood to function during the week (we have 
some of them too, though).

However, the weekend alcohol consume - or the effects of it - are very
visible. If you happen to stroll around the streets of Oslo (or most 
any Scandinavian city ...?) at a normal Saturday night, you will 
most certainly meet quite a lot of drunk people, raving and screaming,
and occasionally fighting.

This is particularly common among men. The pattern is about the same for
women, but they usually don't drink that much, and they usually don't 
make such asses of themselves in public. They may get a bit animated,
but only very rarely fights in bars, etc...

Does anybody have other opinions ? Does anybody feel insulted by this ?
Let's use the bandwidth for something more fun than discussing Finnish-
speaking Finns in Sweden and Swedish-speaking turnips in Finland !

Hugs,
Hans Peter.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Deaths among orienteers
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:02:27 GMT

HOFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Hannes Hofer) writes:
>I just read some disturbing news about 7 Swedish top orienteers who had died
>in the last three years.
>The article did not go into details, but it said something about a TWAR
>bacterie.
>Does anyone have any information about this. What is this TWAR? Why only elite
>orienteers? I heard that all elite orienteers in Sweden and Denmark have been
>advised to stop training. More information would be appreciated as I myself is
>a practitioner of the sport and I have may friends doing it as well.

I heard Jukola winner in the team of IFK S|dert{lje for a few years back, 
Melker Karlsson, was one of the latest victims. I also got the impression
that the deaths are concentrated in a particular area, namely Sm}land.

The connection between TWAR bacteria and the sudden deaths of the seven
young athletes is yet unclear. TWAR bacterie is originated from Taiwan
and it caused an epidemic five years ago. All practitioners of orienteering
are advised to go to medical checkup. The TWAR is suspected to be 
the cause of these deaths, because the antidote of TWAR (I'm not sure if
this is the correct term) was found in the blood of one of the victims.
A doctor was interviewed in the Finnish TV and he said that there is 
no evidence for the deaths being caused by an illegal doping substance.

As a former active practitioner of orienteering I don't intend to take any
action whatsoever.

Janne Kivel{

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:13:39
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
	<1992Nov11.195448.27905@kth.se> <HPV.92Nov12091858@kelvin.uio.no>
NNTP-Posting-Host: tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: hpv@kelvin.uio.no's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:18:58 GMT

In article <HPV.92Nov12091858@kelvin.uio.no> hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne) writes:
   >          about NF and didn't want to ewreck the NF at the beginning. Thus
		    ^^                               ^^

   I suppose you mean the United Nations - UN ?  What is "NF" supposed
   to be an abbrev for ?

No, "NF" means "Nationernas F|rbund", that is the "League of Nations"
in English. It was a kind of precursor to UN. I guess it abolished
itself after failing miserably to have any impact on the impending
WW2.  Look it up in a history book or dictionary.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
From: daniels@randvax.rand.org (Greg Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Stats on Iceland
Keywords: AIDS, Immigration, Emmigration
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:56:55 GMT
Organization: RAND Corp., Santa Monica, Ca.


  Does anyone out there have any statistics on AIDS, Immigration, and
Emmigration in Iceland?


 Of course any other interesting statistics on any of the Nordic countries
would be of interest - specifically per capita health care costs, urban
rural distribution of the population, etc. etc.

Thanks,

-greg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Stein J|rgen Rypern <steinry@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Norway & Russia (was Re: Aaland and Finnish Independence)
        Nov 1992 14:57:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
        <1992Nov6.010700.15898@tdb.uu.se> <HPV.92Nov10113548@kelvin.uio.no>
        <BxK47r.8EL@nic.umass.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:49:42 GMT
Originator: steinry@ygg.ifi.uio.no



  Just a small update on the norwegian-russian-finnish relations and
intelligence ops. Eric Einhorn mentions that norwegians runs sigint 
from finnmark. Some of our intel people must be a little short on 
geographic knowledge, since it turns out that there have been quite a 
number of intel-ops in Finland as well (among other things trying to
spot some nice chokepoints which could be nuked in case of a russian
advance on norway through northern finland according to the media).
Not a _nice_ thing to do unto thy neighbours, IMHO :-)

  A very interesting debate and a number of interesting details about
norwegian military inteligence (now, that might be a contradiction in terms
:-) has cropped up in the media here the last couple of days, following a
book written by a couple of investigating journalists.

  The book among other things claims that mil-int used to tap the phones of
the last PM, Kaare Willoch of the conservative party, as well as a number of
other top politicians. (Now, why anybody should want to put a phone-tap on
Kaare, I can't imagine - the man usually manages to make his viewpoints pretty
public without any help :-).

  Another problem could be that one of the leading figures in the
military intelligence is also a member of the labour party, and has
been actively trying to influence the party policy on several issues,
according to the book's authors. Of course this could be connected to
the info in the last paragraph.

  I seem to recall that there was something about democratic control of the
swedish intel community years back (BI ? IB ? something like that). So how
did things turn out in sweden ? There was something about private or
party-based intel/investigation after the palme shooting, wasn't is ? 

  How about the other nordic contries (well apart from iceland, which
probably haven't got a military intelligence service, since they got
no army) ? 

Smile,

  /Stein


==========================================================================
Stein Rypern, student      !            SOL-3 (TERRA) 
Department of informatics  !    HOME OF THE DUCK-BILLED PLATYPUS
University of Oslo, Norway ! (and a species descended from squirrels, 
steinry@ifi.uio.no         !  but I forget the name - homo something ?)
From: linnan@elektra.cs.hut.fi (Matti Linnanvuori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swede-bashing
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:46:18 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab

In <etxmow.720867659@garboc34> etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
>Should we also have road-signs in Serbo-Croatian? In Somali (I don't
>even know what language they speak)? The difference between Finland and
>Sweden is that Finland has, due to her own policy, only one large
>minority, the Swedish-speaking, whereas we have many.

  The road signs are bilingual in Finnish Sami area, unlike in
Scandinavia. I guess the Finns have used to tolerate bilingual road
signs. 

I would claim that
>there are few nations that treat their minorities so benevolently as
>Sweden. How many countries have state-subsided home language education?

 Finland, Norway, etc...

--
From: kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: A question to anyone on Faroe Islands
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:02:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology


Hey There!!!!!!

A coupple of years ago I read about some funny laws on Faroe regarding the
buying of booze. Beers, wines, vodka and so on. I heard that you get all
your booze from Denmark and that you have to show a receipt showing that
you had been paying your tax regelarly.
Is this system still in use or can you go to your local dealer nowadays?
Is there any native beer or just imported ones?

Thanks in advance for any reply.


Kjell the Brave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Nov7.150521.22266@kth.se>,<1992Nov9.094720.12301@ugle.unit.no>
	<1992Nov10.194012.10158@kth.se>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:12:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.194012.10158@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
   Actually, the first translation of "Mein Kampf" into Swedish, just after 
   it was published in Germany, has the title "Min Kamp". Later editions 
   retain their German title "Mein Kampf", even if the content is in 
   Swedish. And, NO, I have not read it.

I have. I can understand why people didn't generally realise Hitler's
plans at an early stage, even though they were there for all to see in
Mein Kampf. The book is almost impossible to read.
--
Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
From: bjorn@hactar.ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:56:04 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd


I'm sorry for this, but my concern forces me. Jarmo, did you have any particularly
traumatic experiences involving Swedes when you were a child?

I can give Jarmo some limited credit, that is the finnish speaking minority
does have more problems communicating with authorities, for example. This
doesn't have anything at all to do with racisms or hatred for finns or whatever,
though. It's simply that finnish IS a minority language. I regret that it is
so, but please try for a moment to understand that it isn't racism? Let me see,
unless my memory serves me wrong there are russian speaking minorities in
Finland. In what ways are they treated better than Finnish speaking minorities
in Sweden? (I know they might be, I'm just asking.)

There is a small, very smmall grain of substance in what Jarmo's saying, the
reast appears to me as nothing but insanity.

(No, Jarmo, that I'm critical to you doesn't make me hate finns in general)
   _
/Bjorn.
-- 
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S-951 61 Lulea    Natl:0920-22 68 70  |seriously expect Me, a student, to carry
Sweden            << space for rent >>|the official voice of the University?
From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa (Tv}ngsvenska in Finnish schools)
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:01:08 GMT
	<1992Nov11.181412.3455@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Nov12.092425.15908@cs.hut.fi>
	<1992Nov12.230339.4016@ugle.unit.no>
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland
In-reply-to: jafitv@termo.unit.no's message of 12 Nov 92 23:03:39 GMT

jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes in soc.culture.nordic:

> When I went to school back in the sixties (in Norway), I had to learn
> some islandic ! Or actually, I had to chose between islandic and old
> norwegian (the wikings' language).

        Actually, Old Norwegian - the viking's language :) - sounds
        interesting... I studied Latin for one year and although I
        didn't care to continue the Latin studies after that it was
        interesting to have an 'introduction' to it.

        -- Willy
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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:07:03 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov10.192517.2230@cs.hut.fi> ovr@snakemail.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:
>Maybe he had to eat too many swedes as a child and then later mixed
>the two.

  The world is fortunate that there isn't a country called "Broccoli".

>ovr@snakemail.hut.fi

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: Soon it's Christmas (Was: Finns and Swedes......)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.104529.952@news.uit.no> sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:
>[description of norwegian gl\"ogg deleted]
>                                                 and that the danes
>eat their Xmas nuts together with their bitter (den lille) and beer
>combination.

Now, if you don't mind! Danes drink gl\"ogg too, you know. I would
guess that most people buy the concentrate, but I for one mix it in
the traditional fashion (normally no hard spirits, though).

The German speaking countries know a variant of gl\"ogg called
Gl\"uhwein, but they don't seem to add almonds to it.

>This puts Norway as the only country with valuable Xmas traditions.

A-hm, do you want to see the summary of my informal Santa Poll from
this summer. Looks downright dismal for Norway :-)


Greetings,
--Mike

-- 
#include <std-disclm.h>--"... and there is a small flaw in my character."---
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e-mail   : qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch                  abroad         Switzerland
Institut fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen  /  Inst. of Scientific Computation
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Swedes of the US
Date: 4 Nov 92 08:29:45 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

The Swedes of America are a large ethnic minority in the US. 
Swedish-decendants are estimated of being more than 5 000 000 in the US all 
together.

The history of the Finns is full of linguistic and cultural opression by the
Government/Medial complex of the US. What could be the future of a large 
ethnic minority in the US?
Whether:

- Swedish will be one of the  official languages of the US one day?
- there will be all-Swedish educational system in the US?
- there will be a Swedish university in the US?
- there will be Swedish speaking army units in the US where the 
  Swedes can serve in Swedish?
- there will be all-Swedish radio and TV channel in the US?
- there will be Swedish speaking units in the US Administration?
- US software will ever be 8 bit clean and able to handle the essential
  letters of Swedish.

What is your opinion about the future? Can it be as dark as the past?

Which could be suitable strategies in order to achieve these goals
in the US?

- forming of a Swedish lobbyist organization party in the US
 (US parties do not activelly work for Swedish issues)
- strenghten Swedish press in the US
 (US press do not publish Swedish issues)
- international pressure on the US governement (CSCE,UN,NC,EC)
- distributing information of the situation of Swedes in the US
- active aid from Sweden to Swedes in the US

-bertil-

  "Yeah, it was originally the Americans name for me that they used to shout at 
me boastingly and with intimidation. Now, I'll call myself 'Chef' or my friends,
(I used to have reservations about this; obviously now I don't), simply because
I want Americans to hear shouts of "Bork! Bork! Bork!" and remind them of its
origins as it puts that fear into their hearts. They KNOW that word can't be
uttered from THEIR lips when I'M in their presence! I know they want to say it
SO BAD. I dare them!"
				Sven Z speaks up about "bork.bork.bork"
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Safety on the streets
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:59:18 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov9.235850.14223@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>By the way, have the security measures been stepped up in Sweden after
>Palme's killing?

  Hopefully, especially since Bengt Westerberg with most of the cabinet in
attendance awarded a price for writers that have stood up against opression to
Salman Rushdie...

>//Jyrki

-bertil-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jtbell@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jon Bell)
Subject: Re: Learning (some) Finnish
Keywords: Finland
Organization: Presbyterian College, Clinton SC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:43:37 GMT

In article <1d9rgoINNlfu@morrow.stanford.edu> mahtani@camis.Stanford.EDU (Melanie Mahtani) writes:
>
>Any suggestions on how best (easiest) to pick up some 
>useful terms and a bit of the [Finnish] language?  (Books, etc.?)

You might want to check out "Finnish for Foreigners" by Maija-Hellikki
Aaltio.  It's a three-volume paperback series, but the first volume is
probably all you'll want unless you _really_ get hooked on studying
Finnish.  There are tapes that go with it, too.  I don't have it handy
so I can't tell you the publisher or the price, but it ought to be listed
in "Books in Print."  It's actually published in Finland, but is (or has
been) distributed in the U.S.

Jon Bell / Physics & Comp. Sci. / Presbyterian College / Clinton SC USA