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From: steve@jetslag.cam.org (Steve Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel and/or Anne Lennox in Season 6???
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:06:53 GMT
X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:24:20 EST

>   A friend of mine was watching the EmptyV Music Awards last night
> and said he thought he heard someone say something about either Peter
> Gabriel or Anne Lennox being a future guest star on an upcoming 
> episode of ST:TNG. Did he hear right, or was he breathing fumes from
> a toxic waste facility?  I imagined the latter, since I figured you
> guys would be right on top of this kind of information...  ;)
>
> Jeff

Dana Carvey said, as an introduction for the two presenters, "And now
two people who will be appearing this fall as Ferengi on Star Trek : The
Next Generation, Annie Lennox and Peter Gabriel." It was a joke.

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From: jkness@IASTATE.EDU (Joel K Ness)
Subject:  Re: ST: TNG & homosexuality
Reply-To: jkness@IASTATE.EDU (Joel K Ness)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:11:03 GMT

 gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:

>>	"The Outcast" went about as far as TNG needs to go in dealing with
>>our modern problems with homosexuality.  It's always disturbed me to see
>>the current writers use TNG as a facade for their 20th century liberal
>>"soapboxing".  It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared    
>>from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the 
>>24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word 
>>there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  Whether
>>it's the result of one's emotional environment or some undiscovered
>>physiological factor has yet to be determined.  When the cause is found,
>>however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
>>of the past.
>>
>>Sean

 Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday)writes:

>Sigh. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I have exactly zero interest
>in episodes that are `about' homosexuality. What I want to see is
intelligently
>integrated lesbigay folks in ST:TNG.
>
>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple flirting in 10-Forward.
>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple at social engagements.
>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple in the corridors.
>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple interacting with the regular
cast.
>
>If not couples, then at least people who are clearly other than straight...

Let's put this thread in *.*.homo or something.  It's a waste of bandwidth.

Anyway to the last post, I'm offended by that behavior and DON'T want to see
it.

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:42:48 GMT

In article <79126@ut-emx.uucp> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>>>On the topic of sexism in ST:TNG, ever notice how even the women in
>>>high ranking positions are addressed as 'sir'?  I think that's
>>>exceptionally offensive; as if ST:TNG is saying that women can

[...]

>>P.S.  I like ``female humans'' better than ``huwomans''.
>>      Don't create new words when existing words work.

>Well, the word for "male human" is "man", and the word for "female human" 
>is "woman".  Don't use more words than are necessary, either.


I believe the acceptable term in this country (the U.S.) is
"gyno-Americans" with the male equivalent being "andro-Americans".  I
think that this should settle the semantics and gender issue once and
for all.

Right.


>Folks, why does this business come up so often on this newsgroup?  Every time
>I punch in I get this sexism stuff.  Men and women are not identical.


A valuable truism.


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From: ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood)
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: dal
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:50:56 GMT

In <1992Sep11.185322.16928@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:

>In <1992Sep11.104021.23765@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:

>>main difference between them seems to be that Kirk makes his own decisions
>>about what to do, whereas Picard constantly seems at a loss for what to
>>do, and always resorts to asking his crew (or, surrendering; he's got that
>>one down ;-)).  Sure there were more battles in TOS, but that's not because

>Well, of the top of my head I can think of three instances in the TOS films
>where Kirk surrenders. (Raspberry sound)!

>And the crew still manage to look stunned each time!

>Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   IJD@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

and if YOU will recall, only one was an actual surrender; two were ploys to turn
the tables and in STVI it was to prevent a war from starting on the eve of
galactic peace... oh... and one of the false surrenders (STIII) occurred when 
the Enterprise went up with LESS than a skeleton crew against a FULLY manned
Bird of Prey. Jim Kirk has a habit of playing on his reputation to throw his 
opponent off-centre by surrendering... and as you will recall Jim Kirk has
NEVER lost.
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From: andrew1@nadine.cs.mun.ca (Andrew Furlong)
Subject: Episode Guide Request
Keywords: episode guide
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:16:48 GMT


   Can someone please e-mail me an up to date list of the ST:TNG episodes?
   We (the Avalon area of Newfoundland) are finally getting the series, and
   I want to find out which episodes I'm missing.

   Thanks in advance...



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From: ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider)
Subject: Next Generation Satelite Uplink Info 
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:18:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Need the transponder and times of uplink for TNG
Keywords: Trek, Satelite, Uplink


     Does anyone know the taransponder "settings" and time of
     the Star Trek - The Next Generation uplink?  I have a friend
     with a dish who will tape it for me if I can give him
     the necessary information.

     Please send to me directly, it's hard to scan these groups
     with any confidence of getting the message.

     Thanks!

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From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick Singley)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG & homosexuality
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:36:11 GMT

>It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared    
>from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the 
>24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word 
>there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.

That I would heavily disagree with this 'illness' concept of homosexuality
belongs somewhere else beside startrek.* but I had to. 

However, just commenting on the idea 'illness'- the origin of such
has been the cause of a dept. reorganization (in our Dept. of alcohol abuse and
alcoholism & under heavy theory debate.  Whether something (such as alcoholism)
is entirily psychological [ie go to counseling/AAA/help groups and you can
'cure' yourself] or a physical change [ie diff. genes/ biochem pathways]
or even a combo of both [ a schizophrenic takes medication and counseling]
is yet to be known.

Is there a physical change between homo/hetero? Possibly. There has been some
suggestion in that area [ie brain structure studies- I think newsweek/time
had something on this once].  Is there a psycholigcal? Again possible.

An 'Illness' I don't buy... That's more of a personal opinion than anything
that could be backed up by a non-biased study. 

This IS after all a discussion group on startrek and all its plots and
social implications so I guess we could contine with this... but darned if it
most likely belongs on another .topic, what with the book from guy who was
taken out of the Navel Accad. in '87 being published. A religious/political
flame-war could start up soon with this thread... I'd rather not have started
it thou'...

Erick
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Censorship (was Re:  Re: ST: TNG & homosexuality)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:17:03 GMT

	I simply don't believe that I'm bothering to post anything vaguely
relating to this ultra-flamable topic...  (I must have really missed
flamewars over the summer. ;-))

In article <1992Sep14.211103@IASTATE.EDU> jkness@IASTATE.EDU (Joel K Ness) writes:
> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:

[Something which is certain to get him flamed beyond recognition, but which
I've deleted here.]

> Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday)writes:
>
>>Sigh. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I have exactly zero interest
>>in episodes that are `about' homosexuality. What I want to see is
>intelligently
>>integrated lesbigay folks in ST:TNG.
>>
>>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple flirting in 10-Forward.
>>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple at social engagements.
>>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple in the corridors.
>>I want to see the occasional same-sex couple interacting with the regular
>cast.
>>
>>If not couples, then at least people who are clearly other than straight...
>
>Let's put this thread in *.*.homo or something.  It's a waste of bandwidth.
>
>Anyway to the last post, I'm offended by that behavior and DON'T want to see
>it.
>

	Who really cares what you want to see?  I don't particularly
desire to see it, either, but if they want to show it, then let them.
I despise censorship in any form, and what you are proposing is indeed
censorship.  You don't want to see it, therefore it shouldn't be shown
at all, because obviously no one else (that matters) wants to see it,
either.  Wrong; you don't speak for the world, anymore than I do.  If
you don't want to see it, then don't watch it.  But, others might want
to, so what makes you more important?  (As I've said before, although I
find the concept of homosexuality personally unappealing, about the only
thing that TNG could do to even begin to convince me that it is even a
shadow of TOS is to show a gay couple or something.  It's the type of
groundbreaking stuff one would expect from a Trek show.  And, even if it
did now, it's really a little late, since other shows have already done
it.)

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||    AKA: Agrajag   ||     CS major    ||  or, maybe: ras@nic.unh.edu  ||
||======================================================================||
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 this switch?" "What? Where?" "No, I was only fooling, we are going to die
 after all." - THGTTG

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May your dream "Live long and prosper".
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Summary: Enlist now for the flame-war.
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:02:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep7.030236.3477
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <Sep06.052102.20138@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>Keywords: 	Listen all of you fags out there, there's only one real Star
>Trek and that's
>	the original.  This New Generation shit has boring plots, just a lot of good
>	special effects -  so what.  It's the script that counts and Shatner's
>portrayal
>	of Kirk was perfect.  I've watched a few episodes and I don't see the
>suspense ,
>	the action, or the wit of the "real" Star Trek.    Stop denying the
>truth to your-
>	selves, STNG sucks!!!

Well, just when you thought things were getting quiet and subdued on the
net...

I have my flame-retardant suit and have put my personal affairs in order,
and am reporting for duty in TOS v. TNG flame war, the "Fort Sumter" of
which was  the cited posting.

We need a song for this battle. _WE_ the defenders of TOS, get the opening
bars of the original theme.  TNG defenders can use the theme from Teenage
Mutant Ninga Turtles Take Manhatten, a plot which is on a par with the best
of TNG's offerings.

Really, fellow TOS fans, it is cruel to point out what "The Next
Generation" has had to settle with for Trek.  It is even crueller to point
out that back when _we_ were Trekkers, it was not "in" to like the show, 
we had to walk 10 miles thru the snow to find another Trekkers, (uphill, 
both ways), and that we had to learn to deal with networks that cancelled 
the show and work for more Trek (no one handed Trek to us, by-golly), and 
these ungrateful whipper-snappers, who don't know a Vulcan from a Romulan spy, 
make snide remarks about the inadequate quality of TOS, when if it wasn't 
for TOS, they wouldn't even be here!!!!

Let's have a little respect here.

Whatever you say about TOS, it didn't infict brainless Betazoids on the
airwaves, and if any kids came aboard, they got rid of them at the next stop.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:9190 rec.arts.startrek.current:13055
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Sixth Season ST:TNG Program Guide Update News
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:22:51 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


This is a pre-publication warning regarding the ST:TNG Program Guide.  Why the
warning?  Well, the "look" of the guide is changing.

As those of you who print the guide know, I started printing gray bars around
the header and footer text.  Well, I finally broke down and solved the problem
of printing the header and footer bars with reversed text.  Because I got it
to work, the episode numbers and stardates have been placed into the header
bar.  A couple of other minor things have been done to the header bar as well.

The synopsis body has also been changed from block paragraphs to indented
paragraphs, which look alot better.

What does this mean for those of you who print the guide?  To make the guide
look consistant, it means reprinting the whole guide.  If you don't want to
reprint the complete guide, that is fine, just that the guide will not look
consistant.  Those of you who have purchased the guide from me will not be
forced into purchasing a complete new guide.  Future updates will contain the
new format pages.  While it makes the guide inconsistant in the look, it is the
cheaper path.

Hopefully you will appreciate the enhancements.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Sep8.023214.8006@menudo.uh.edu> HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka) writes:
>>In <1992Sep7.192637.7358@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu writes:
>> >rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>> >TNG's best stories are plot-focused rather than character-focused, 

>> I tend to disagree.  "The Measure of a Man", "Darmok", "The Inner Light", and
>> shows of that nature strike me as rather intensely character-focused, and
>> quietly superb.

>Interestingly enough, these three episodes would never have been used in TOS;
>[at least not in the form TNG used :-)] they would have been "too cerebral".

I dunno; I think you can compare the tone of "Darmok" pretty well with the
tone of, say, "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"  (Both of which, IMO, are
excellent episodes.)

I can think of plenty of reasons besides "cerebrality" (which is really more
of a "loquatiousness") for not airing "The Measure Of A Man". :-)

>> >and though
>> >this is entertaining, it falls well short of the best Trek Classic episodes
>> >(which tended to be strong in both areas).

>> Much as it pains me, I'm not taking this bait.  :-)

>Such restraint!  *I'm* impressed. :-)

Tim and I are old sparring partners on r.a.s; I think my enthusiasm for the
group is rising while is is falling.  Last spring, it was the opposite. :-)

>I, however, must ask: Which TOS episodes would you rank as being strong in both
>character and plot? (I'm not trying to pin you, but instead of blindly ripping
>into what you've said, I thought it might be a good idea to actually get some
>details.  :-)  What a Concept!)

Well, for starters (and pulling out my _Compendium_ so that I don't forget
something obvious):

"Amok Time"
"Balance Of Terror"
"The Cage"/"The Menagerie"
"The City On The Edge Of Forever"
"The Deadly Years"
"The Doomsday Machine"
"The Enemy Within"
"The Naked Time" [duh]
"Obsession" (This one is a close call; it is strange to include it while
	excluding "The Conscience Of The King", so maybe not.)
"A Taste Of Armageddon" (You may say "Huh?", but I think that this episode
	does much to vindicate Kirk's attitude toward the Prime Directive.)
"That Which Survives" (Love the Spock/Scotty bits.)
"The Tholian Web"
"The Ultimate Computer"
"Where No Man Has Gone Before"

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Not a model man, not a savior or a saint.
Imperfect in a word, make no mistake.
But I give you everything I have.  Take me as I am...
					- King Crimson, "Model Man"
From: 00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Alternate Enterprises, Please!
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:07:12 GMT

Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was the Enterprise D, I'm almost
positive.  I'm looking for books, magazines, etc. that shows some of the other
concepts those bright little people down in SFX came up with....also any other
little misc. 'failed' designes.  If anyone out there can give me the name,
issue, whatever of reading material that has some of these in it, I would be a
very happy little Trekker if you could mail me the info.
Live long and Prosper,
Captain Bequi 'Horizen', Capt. USS Ferryman, UFP 
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: TNG script guidelines (was Re: horse's stardates)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:12:13 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>
>This is something that's always really bothered me, i.e. why is it
>so expensive for Hollywood shows to go on location?

LODGING.  If you are filming on a soundstage, the cast and crew are
expected to live nearby -- they are "at home."  But when you go
someplace else, you have to provide a place for the cast and crew
(say, 100 people) to sleep.  Call this $100 per person per day.

FOOD.  On stage you get lunch, sometimes breakfast, and usually dinner
if you work late.  I've never seen Paramount's studios, but if they're
like others they have facilities for providing food for cast and crew
fairly cheaply.  On location, you've got to buy every meal for them,
and it usually has to be catered to the location.  Call this $50 per
person per day.

ELECTRICITY.  Studios have facilities for producing electricity in all
the flavors needed by the various pieces of equipment.  On location
you have to rent special power vans or trucks.  Rent varies, but it is
usually much more than the costs of studio power.

TRANSPORTATION.  You've got to get all that stuff and all those people
there.  I'm not going to even try to estimate this bill.

I could go on, but time runs short.  Basically it amounts to the
production company having to pay for things they normally aren't
responsible for, or paying more for having them out in the boonies
instead of in the studio.  Unions have a lot to do with it as well.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:34:16 GMT

In <1992Sep10.210429.13126@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <rawdon.716064323@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>In <1992Sep8.202251.4107@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>>In article <rawdon.715903556@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>>[on Picard's character...]
>>>			"The Drumhead" is another fine example of a fully
>>>developed character.

>>To echo your phrase:  Please.  This is a perfect example of Picard-the-
>>walking-exposition-device.  He spends most of his time making speeches about
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>morality and freedom and judgment.  "This is wrong because x" and "We don't
>>do things that way", etc.

>Does this remind you of a certain TOS captain?

Looking at the bit that I underlined, my response is "No."

>						 This kind of verbal
>defense of ST morality is a hallmark (or should I say "tm") of the show.
>How many times did Kirk go on about morality and freedom?
>Need I conjure up images of the speech from The Omega Glory?

You can feel free.  I will certainly agree that that was a low point in the
series.  (The speech was so... so *pointless*.)

>>>			If you don't like any of these as examples, how
>>>about "The Perfect Mate"?

>>This episode was drek; one of the worst of the season.  How *about* "The
>>Perfect Mate"?

>Drek?  Hmmph.  Not the episode I saw.  I saw the stiff leader in Picard
>break down against the feelings that Kamala inspired in him.  I
>considered that powerful.

I saw a stock stoic character break down against a scientific plot device.
I considered it tedious.  (The poor acting from the person playing Kamala
didn't help much.)

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"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
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