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From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re:One Oh
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 05:03:11 GMT

I'll sing you Seven, oh
Green grow the rushes, oh!
What is your Seven, oh?
Seven for the Seven raised up on high; and
Six for the Six proud Servants
Five for the Symbol that's a chore; and
Four for the Picture Makers
Three, Three, the Pillars
Two, Two, the genders true
Clothed all in rules-o
One is the forum all alone
That's known as the Rialt-o!

(Eep! I have no verse eight! Oh, well, I suppose we have precedent
in the song for "Eight for the obscure-and-possibly-arbitary-things" ;)
(verse eight tomorrow - I hope!)

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit. 
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From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re:One Oh
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:56:45 GMT

I'll sing you Five, oh
Green grow the rushes, oh!
What is your Five, oh?
Five for the Symbol that's a chore; and
Four for the Picture Makers
Three, Three, the Pillars
Two, Two, the genders true
Clothed all in rules-o
One is the forum all alone
That's known as the Rialt-o!

(No prizes for guessing five :) I now have all verses except eight
and ten. Any suggestions?)
(verse six tomorrow)

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit.
From: aboz@egf-bbs.uucp (Aboz the Untidy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: RE: Looking for newcomers' guide for young people
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:33:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: egf-bbs.1992Sep26.063322.6472
Organization: EGF, MN Public Access Unix

The booklet you are looking for is "Your Teenager and the SCA--Some
Answers for Parents"  It is 4 photocopied sheets that fold into a nice
pamphlet,and I find it to be excellent.  You can get it from the Midrealm
Chattelaine, Lady Alys Katherine (Elsie Fleming)  3950 Walter Rd.  North
Olmstad, OH 44070.  A donation of a buck or two to defray copying and
postage would be nice.  Tell her Berwyn sent you.

 


-- 
Berwyn Aethelbryght, Pursuivant of the Shire of Elverod, Grand Forks, ND
                BKA (Known on the BBS as) Aboz the Untidy
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Citrons (was Re: Linen and wool)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 16:32:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <BvGv76.EAD@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>
>All the Orthodox Jews in your town have to go out in the days after Yom
>Kippur (which is next Wednesday) and buy, among other expensive supplies,
>a citron.  ....

And then what do they do with them?

No, really, I would like to know....


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu (Lonnie D Harvel)
Subject: Re: Linen and wool
Reply-To: ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu (Lonnie D Harvel)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology - DSP
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.170222.18354@midway.uchicago.edu>, ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) writes:
|> 
|> My impression is that if you have access to a good fabric 
|> district, such as NY or Boston, you can often find real linen or 
|> linen cotton blends (or silk linen blends) at not unreasonable 
|> prices--i.e. $2-$5/yard. I think our record for linen is $1/yard, 
|> once (in New Orleans).
|> 

About 4 years ago, I bought 15 yards of royal blue linen at
$1.00 a yard hear in Atlanta.  I still have it.  Every time
I go to make something out of it, I think to myself, "Well
maybe there is something better that I can do with it..."

Someday I will get fed up and make 6 or 7 T-tunics out of
the stuff.  

-- 
     The comments and spelling herein are mine and nobody
                     else lays claim to them.
================================================================
Lonnie D. Harvel                 |  ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu
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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: Expensive Armour
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:08:17 GMT


In article <17743@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, helm@jade.ucdavis.edu
(Catie Helm) [make that Twcs] writes:

> So now I will stir up the pot again ;->  I have never been able to
> find any evidence or documentation that sueded leathers were used in
> period.  The process of sueding is done by a rather sophisticated
> machine which splits a hide during the modern tanning process.  (To
> get really technical, a "split" is what most people call suede;
> actually "suede" is a split which has had a nap put on it by yet
> still another tannery machine.  So, all suedes are splits, but not
> all splits are seude.)
> 
> In my library of leather sources, all the period pieces are full grain.
> So I will throw the question out to the Rialto - does anyone have any
> sources that show that splits and/or suede are period?

[irrelevant signature deleted]

> Twcs, who is honestly curious about this

Well, based on just a teensy bit of research that I've been doing lately
on shoes, it was not unheard of for decorative motifs to be added to
shoes in the form of "sueded" areas made by scraping the surface of the
leather.  There are a few good examples in the book "Shoes and Pattens",
one of the "Medieval Finds from Excavations in London" series put out by
the London Museum.  These examples are small areas of a larger design.

If you want the full ISBN and ordering information, send me e-mail -
the book is, of course, at home.  I can also summarize various topics
if you'd like to send me questions!

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Queens by right of arms...
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


   "At the time I joined, in  A.S. X, women were just beginning 
   to fight -- under male personas."   (Vashti of the Flaming 
   Tresses)

I think this is another example of interkingdom differences. By 
A.S. X Sita of Oudh must have been fighting, in the East, for at 
least five years--under her own persona.

David Friedman (Cariadoc)
DDFr@AOL.com
DDFr@Midway.UChicago.Edu
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From: johnm@cajal.uoregon.EDU (John Martin)
Subject: Re:  SCA Digest V5 #685
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:34:32 GMT

This is my second request: Please do not send me any more SCA Digests!
I'm begging here!! PLEASE!! :-)

John Martin
johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu
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From: u883161@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Alex Tewes)
Subject: Vellum 
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:19:10 GMT

Good Gentles;

Does anyone know...

1.	The USA customs regulations regarding the importation of leather 
products eg. Scrolls made of vellum

2.	Any info about the making of Vellum (our supply here is a bit erratic).

Yours in Service


Martin de Mont Blanc (Alex Tewes)

Shire of Ynys Fawr/ Lochac/ West  ( That is Tasmania, Australia)

Purpure, four bendlets enhanced
and a mullet of five in base Or.
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Feet Voting
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 15:10:07 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Greetings from Arval!  Cavalamar wrote of his shire:

> I do not believe that our one-time existance as a college had anything to
> do with whether or not the university "approved".  Someone please check
> official BoD policy on this, but isn't college vs shire left completely
> up to the group in question?  Is a "university" needed to call ones group
> a college (in BoD rules)?

The fact that an SCA branch is labelled a "college" does not imply any
formal relationship between the SCA branch and any mundane college or
university.  The corporation has defined the term "college" as one that may
be used by institutional branches  located at and near schools; one could
argue that an SCA college cannot exist except at a mundane school, but
there is certainly no formal connection between the two.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: norteman@tnpubs.enet.dec.com (Karen Norteman)
Subject: EK Earl Marshall: new address
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:22:30 GMT


Greetings, all, from Ariel.

I'm posting this for Master Bjorn Karlsson, Earl Marshall of the East,
who has just moved his office and hasn't set up his news reader yet.

His new email address is as follows:

jslack@cslall.enet.dec.com

The "j" in "jslack" is very important.  Apparently his sister-in-law is
connected to the same cluster he is, and has been getting some VERY interesting
mail addressed to "slack@...".

All the rest of his contact information is still the same, however.

Apologies for the waste of bandwidth...

--Ariel of Caer Myrddin		Karen J. Norteman
Province of Malagentia		Portland, Maine
East Kingdom
norteman@tnpubs.enet.dec.com OR norteman@athena.lkg.dec.com 
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: What about Lady winners?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:02:13

    Syr Otto von Schwartzkatz wrote:

 RE> >So, what if a woman wins crown (or coronet)?  Who serves as what then?

 RE> At that point, the Queen (soverign) would serve as the symbol of all
 RE> the ideals that make up a strong honorable warrior, while the King
 RE> (consort) would be the symbol of love and beauty (handsomeness?).

 Actually, the Queen (sovereign) serves as the symbol of the Female Fighter
 Trimumphantly Vindicated, while the King (consort) is the symbol of the
 Male Fighter Coping As Best He May. I was Principal Herald for Rowan and
 Hector during her reign - it was entertaining.

    Tadhg, Obelisk

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: regalia trailer
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:16:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Greetings to the Knowne Worlde from Companion Celdae the Seeker,
Royal Chamberlain, An Tir

     An Tir is growing at an incredible rate, as seems all the
SCA, and with it we are accruing more and more regalia.

     Royalty of the past find that the amount of regalia that
they must tow to events is becoming almost unmanageable and so we
have discussed for several years the possibility of a regalia
trailer.  I know the West has used one for years and I have been
informed that the East has a regalia trailer also.  If anyone
from any of the other kingdoms reads this and knows that kingdom
uses a regalia trailer I would appreciate if this was passed on
to the Seneschale or Chamberlain, or other knowledgeable person.

     Any information would be very helpful.  Some of the
questions that we need answered are whether a trailer was bought,
rented or one of the populace's was used?  Who is in charge of
bringing the regalia trailer to events and is that person
reimbursed in any way?  Does the kingdom cover any or all
maintenance on the vehicle used?  If there is one person, how
long is a reasonable length for holding the position?  What size,
weight (anything else that I'm not asking) trailer is used?  What
is done when the trailer isn't used (between events)?  Can
regalia be left in the trailer or must it be taken out (storage
lockers or house?)?  Is there any specifics on insurance for
either case?

     If there is any other specific information we would be happy
to receive that too.  Their current majesties Darius and
Jacyntha, wish to resolve the issue of regalia trailer before the
end of their reign therefore I most humbly ask that any
information be forwarded to me as soon as possible.  I have
written to the East and West Kingdoms but will welcome any other
information anyone wishes to send.

In Service,Celdae the Seeker,           Royal Chamberlain, An Tir email me a
Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca

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From: moss@cs.umass.edu (Eliot Moss)
Subject: Re: a "hair raising" question
Reply-To: moss@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:03:49 GMT

Michael Carson asked about apporpriate period hairstyles for ladies, asking
for a generic answer rather than guidance on a specific period, etc. A simple
generic answer is that your lady should cover her hair with an appropriate
veil or headdress. Styles for these varied quite alot, from a veil or smallcap
resting on the head or pinned on, to the high pointed hennins (conical
"princess" hat typically used in cartoons, etc., to indicate a medieval lady).
Undoubtedly there were times and situations when a lady could go with her hair
uncovered. I am not familiar with the details, though I think distinctions
were typically made based on the marital status of the lady (always covered if
married, etc.). This certainly makes the question of hair style easier!

Yours in service --  Aell Aethelwita, called Ellethel; Barony of Bergental (on
sojourn in Barony Marche of the Debateable Lands); East Kingdom
--

J. Eliot B. Moss, Associate Professor	Visiting Associate Professor
Department of Computer Science		School of Computer Science
Lederle Graduate Research Center	Carnegie Mellon University
University of Massachusetts		5000 Forbes Avenue
Amherst, MA  01003			Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3891
(413) 545-4206, 545-1249 (fax)		(412) 268-6767, 681-5739 (fax)
Moss@cs.umass.edu			Moss@cs.cmu.edu

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From: jjmcwill@mtu.edu (Jeff McWilliams)
Subject: Where is FAQ?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: rec.org.sca
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:25:10 GMT

Can someone please point me to the FAQ?  Thanks.

      
-- 
Jeff McWilliams
EE Engineer --> Michigan Tech. University     jjmcwill@mtu.edu

Treebeard says: "Let's not be hasty!"
From: ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:10:27 GMT
Reply-To: ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


Twcs suggested that armor that was safe and looked reasonable 
would cost a lot more than $150. The helm I have used for years 
was purchased from Get em on the Field. I have a version with a 
removable grill, which I rarely remove; the version with the 
fixed grill, which several of our people got, cost something like 
$60.

Everything except the helm can be made out of hardened leather, 
including gauntlets or basket hilts (see the expanded version of 
my T.I. article in the new Miscellany). A side of saddle skirting 
(about 22 square feet of 12-14 oz leather) will cost less than 
$100, including postage (The Leather Factory, when they are 
having one of their frequent sales). Add another $20 for the 
beeswax to harden the leather, cord to lace up the lamellae, and 
a few buckles, and you are done. You should have about a third of 
your leather left, so reselling that to someone else in your 
group ought to bring the price down close to $150. No plastic, 
and good protection.

David/Cariadoc
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From: ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Infant Wear
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:39:12 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi folks --

One of my recent missives asked:

   So -- how do you _change_ babies in swaddling bands... ?

Dorothea replied:

   Unwrap, change, re-wrap (in different swaddling bands if 
   the previous set got wet).
 
This answer leads me to yet another question -- what, if anything,
would _prevent_ the swaddling bands from getting wet, babies being
babies?

Was there something like a 'diaper' worn as a loincloth under the
swaddling clothes or what?  

The nurses in the newborn nursery, by the way, swaddled their tiny
charges quite effectively using three cotton blankets...

A second question/comment is -- wouldn't there need to be a LOT of
sets of swaddling and LOTS of wrapping and unwrapping (this would
grow tiresome rapidly, I'm sure)?  Along the same lines, wouldn't
this imply LOTS of _laundry_ for the swaddling (not that big a 
deal in warm weather, but a real pain in winter, I'd bet)?

Are there any accounts of those responsible for childcare 'complaining'
about the workload involved?  (Not that *I* have any cause for complaint!)

Many thanks -- Bertram

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Bertram of Bearington                                      Dave Schroeder
Debatable Lands/AEthelmearc/East               Carnegie Mellon University
INTERNET: ds4p@andrew.cmu.edu                         412/731-3230 (Home)
+------------------------ PREME * Press On * PREME ---------------------+
      "He indulged in every excess, yes in each licentious whim..." 
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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: Mistakes & Rumors
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:28:28 GMT



T'would seem we have a mistake about our mistake!

(See how tricky this medium is?  ;-)

The mention of Jaelle's project being 20 volumes was on the SCAHRLDS mailing
list, not the Rialto. 

(Unfortunately I don't remember who the "miscreant" was who said it...)

Moreach NicMaolain

From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Queens by right of arms...
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:53:36

 Dorthea responded to my comments on winning women inCrowns and Coronet lists:
 -> No, that was Duchess (by courtesy) Viscountess (by her own hand) Sir  Maythen  Gervaise (formerly of Elfhaven).  _Baroness_ Trude 
 -> Lacklandia was the clever lady who did the research to document that  there were women fighters in period, to which the BoD replied, -"Oh,  well, in that case, of course!"-

 Oops!  -- Thank you for correcting my error.  

 As for Her Excellancy Trude's research - vivat!  At the time I joined, in  A.S. X, women were just beginning to fight -- under male personas.  At the  Society Decinnial (my first event) I overheard one knight say to another, "A  woman will win Crown over my dead body!"  I remember thinking, "Yes, she  probably will!" (grin)

 --- Vashti of the Flaming Tresses



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From: haslock@rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Card Weaving
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:47:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct6.204706.2699
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering

In a nutshell, card weaving is a form of weaving in which cards are used to
open and change sheds.

Cut some heavy cardboard into squares about 3" on a side (Make at least 5).
Stack the cards and punch holes through the stack near each corner.

	+-----------+
	|           |
        |  O     O  |
        |           |
        |           |
        |  O     O  |
        |           |
        +-----------+
Take a ball of Speed Cro-Sheen and cut off a 1 (or n)yard length for each
hole in each card, i.e. 5 cards times 4 holes times 1 (or n) yards.

Tie one end of all of the threads together. Feed one thread through each
hole. Tie all of the other ends together. Tie this knot to a fixed object,
such as a doorknob. Tie the other knot to yourself, e.g. to your belt.

Move away from the fixed object until the threads are tight but not tight
enough to bend the cardboard. Square up the stack of cards. They should look
vaguely like this
                                            +-----+
                                     _______|o   o|____
                ____________---------       |     |    ----_____
You. *==========____________             a  |     |        _____=======* Object
	                    ---------_______|o   o|____----
                                            +-----+
Pass a thread through space a (this is called a shed)

Turn all of the cards 90 degrees. Pass a thread through a. Repeat ad nauseam.

You should end up with a hat band.

	Fiacha
	Aquaterra, AnTir
From: SAUNDRSG@qucdn.queensu.ca (Graydon)
Subject: the component of fiction
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:20:00 GMT

I'm probably being less than polite to subject you good folks to the
sort of prose I produce at this late hour, but I've been wanting to
stick my oar in on this one for awhile.

'Fiction' implies 'making something up'; the present metric for what
we should make up goes something like 'can we document the components
of the construct to a period culture' (theoretical metric, anyway).

Unfortunately, explaining the neccesity of a degree of thematic
cohesiveness to SCA newcomers isn't helpful; it is not a straightforward
concept, and they aren't likely to see the point.

I prefer to describe the SCA as an organization of recreators; we
recreate different things, and some of those things are certainly
fiction (Arthurian mythos just as much as people who want to be
Deryni).  Since what, and how much, is to be recreated is voluntary,
(a point that it is important to emphasize to newcomers - stick around,
find out what you care about, and put energy into that) and some
of what is recreated are elements of physical culture (not much
fiction in a chair), a stated constraint of fiction obscures large
elements of the voluntariness of the recreation.

Or, to put it another way, one ought not to explain to newcomers
that they have to make it up.

Graydon