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From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Nitro
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:33:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: next.1992Oct4.133355.861
Reply-To: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us
Organization: Simson Garfinkel and Associates, Inc.

I don't know where you guys are getting this "Nitro" name from.

Going from 33MHZ to 40MHZ isn't that significant.  Nice, but not that  
significant.

Going from 25MHZ to 40MHZ is very significant, especially when you consider the  
new improved memory architecture that NeXT is using.  

Going to the ADB keyboard (see my article in NeXTWORLD) is very, very good.

-- 

................................................................simson
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From: perkins@spot.Colorado.EDU (PERKINS TYLER R)
Subject: 40MHz NeXTs?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:58:59 GMT

I sure don't want to spread misinformation, but I heard a rumour that
NeXT will be comming out with a 40MHz NeXTStation sometime in October.
It's supposed to be called the "Nitro"!

Can anyone verify this, or is it just wishfull thinking on someones part?
A colleague of mine is depending on its validity--postponing a purchase!

	--Tyler Perkins		perkins@spot.Colorado.EDU
From: gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Nitro
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:36:57 GMT
Reply-To: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <3008@news.cerf.net> billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski)  
writes:
> I suspect that you could barely feel the diff in speed
> from 33 to 40Mhz (if at all). I suspect the motivation is
> more marketing glycerin than engineering nitro.

Nitroglycerin??  --- I'd have thought Nitrous Oxide!

				Gisli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Two kinds of keyboard? and Who makes the new Trinitron 17" monitor?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:20:58 GMT

In an earlier article, I wrote:
> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
> > NeXT apparently now has two kinds of Starting Point Kits
> > (keyboard/mouse) 3.0A [N8504-4996] and 3.0 [N8504-5216].  
> > What's the difference?
> > 
> > NeXT also now has a 17" Color display which is Trinitron.  Is this a
> > SONY monitor or if not, who manufactures it for NeXT?
> > Is it any better than the old Phillips 17" display?
> 
> First, there's the new monitor.  It's 17" and from Sony.  List price is  
> $300 more than the old 17" monitor, and NeXT claims it's much better.   
> They now call the old 17" monitor the "Fimi" monitor.  The new monitor can  
> only be used on NeXTstation Color Turbo and NeXTcube Turbo systems.

Actually, looking at the announcement a bit closer, it seems that the new  
monitor can not be added to NeXTcube systems, because the NeXTdimension  
board can not support a monitor with a 72Hz refresh rate.  Sorry about the  
error in the above...

> If you get the new monitor, you must get the new Starting Point kit.
> If you get the old 17" monitor, you must use the old Starting Point kit
> If you get the 21" Hitachi monitor, you can take either kit.
> 
> The big deal about the new starting point kit is that it has the new ADB  
> keyboard, and a new ADB mouse.  The new mouse is supposed to be 30%  
> lighter, and have a better ergonomic design.  The new keyboard is the one  
> with the new keyboard layout.

You can still get the ADB kit with a NeXTcube, if you choose the 21"  
monitor.  You just can't get the Sony monitor (and if you choose the Fimi  
monitor then you can not get the ADB kit).

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Re: Nitro (really the new keyboard)
Keywords: new keyboard
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.190419.19772@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com  
(felix.lugo) writes:
> In article <1992Oct4.133355.861@next.cambridge.ma.us>  
simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us writes:
> >
> >Going to the ADB keyboard (see my article in NeXTWORLD) is very, very good.
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >................................................................simson
> 
> 	I haven't read YOUR article, but I've seen the technical specs from
> NeXT on them and frankly don't see the point.  What makes them very, very  
good?
> My old-style keyboard serves its purpose well, and I could care less about
> ADB compatibility.  So what's the scoop?
> 
> --Felix

The keyboards are supposed to be really good based on the ergo
feel and the person's ability to adjust the keyboard to different
angles/heights.  In theory this is a good idea, but really the bloody
problem in my experiences has been how you are able to rest
your wrists.  This really has to do with the resulting extension
of your wrists, as well as the amount of pressure that builds up
during long times at the keyboard.  Simson does make a good point
in that you can't expect any keyboard to help you out if you do
20 hour a day of typing.  The recommended portions of typing might
be 1-2 hours and then some rest.  Do read the article from Dan Lavin
and Simson's subsequent opinions/experiences.  I have seen the keyboard
and again I say it sucks, as well as the mouse.  But then the current
hardware human interface sucks too.  Is the new stuff better, only
time can tell.

Todd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: WACOM tablets - sources?
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:02:40 GMT

Could someone please give me a pointer to a mail-order place
that sells WACOM tablets?

Thanks,

Fredrik

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc
From: vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke)
Subject: 3.0/CD-ROM reader deal: the clock is running out
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:57:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: CD, CD-ROM, SCSI, 3.0, Unix

Well, I still have a few days to decide whether to take advantage of the
3.0/CD-ROM reader deal for developers. (deal ends on Wednesday, 9/30/92)

I'd like to know if the CD-ROM reader is a generic-SCSI device, or is there
some NeXT-only aspect to it.  For instance, has anyone successfully attached
the device to another system, specifically other *ix workstations, including
Intel 80*86 machines running some sort of *ix (with a SCSI controller, 
of course).
Feedback on this will be much appreciated.



-- 
					--vin

vin@netcom.com

"...you think YOU know fear -- I've seen them naked!"
				--L. Simpson
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From: wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)
Subject: Re: 40MHz NeXTs?
Reply-To: wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.154830.26459@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.stanford.edu (M  
Carling) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.215859.28568@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
> perkins@spot.Colorado.EDU (PERKINS TYLER R) writes:
> > I sure don't want to spread misinformation, but I heard a rumour that
> > NeXT will be comming out with a 40MHz NeXTStation sometime in October.
> 
> It's not true.
> 
> M Carling
> Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
> General Manager, NetForce Inc.

Could you be a little more precise?  I don't want to make an entire purchasing  
decision based on one guy on the net saying it aint so.  I can wait a month to  
buy my next NeXT, so if they are bringing a 40 MHZ one out I'd like to know.   
And can I quote you? ;)

-- Frank
__________________________________________________________________________
Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
                          | "Nothing crashes like a Macintosh."
NeXTMail appreciated      |      - Guy Kawasaki
From: rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Rhino Project)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Nitro
Date: 4 Oct 1992 20:09:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad.eeap.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct4.190419.19772@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.133355.861@next.cambridge.ma.us> simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us writes:
>>
>>Going to the ADB keyboard (see my article in NeXTWORLD) is very, very good.
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>................................................................simson
>
>	I haven't read YOUR article, but I've seen the technical specs from
>NeXT on them and frankly don't see the point.  What makes them very, very good?
>My old-style keyboard serves its purpose well, and I could care less about
>ADB compatibility.  So what's the scoop?
>
>--Felix
>

ADB compatibility is good because it allows NeXT users to use alot
of Macintosh products which are generally cheaper. If NeXT stuck 
with their non-standard keyboard architecture it would have been
awhile before we see graphics tablets and all the other great
input devices that have appeared on the macintosh.
CW

-- 
Carlin E. Wiegner              | rhino@eeap.cwru.edu
Triumvirate Industries, Inc.   | aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews)
Subject: Re: V.32bis modem on NeXT serial port slow...
Organization: Digital Island
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:05:43 GMT

ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff) writes:
>I have a 9600 speed modem connected to my NeXT which
>works fine at 9600 but will not compress and run at 57,600
>as the documentation states.  It seems to me that since I set
>the port to 9600 in the /etc/ttys file that it can't send
>data any faster.  As a result, when I transfer files I am
>getting typical character per second rates of around 650 cps.

You can'r go above 9600 with old machines and not above 38400
with new ones.

Add the gettytab entries for 19200 and 38400, then use 38400
in /etc/ttys. Be sure you have correct hardware flow control
wiring.

I run my USR Courier that way and I get ~1690 cps with phys.
14400 and V42bis.

Regards, Bjoern
-- 
bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-2000 Hamburg 76 - FRG
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Nitro
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:53:57 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

>(Matthew Dillon) writes:> >
>     The main problem with 3.0 is in paging from disk, a faster processor
>     will not help at all in that area.

but it will still help - it will make the swaptimizer even more effective and
make tasks that involve more computation than IO/paging faster, things like interactive
graphics could be noticeably improved while others like large compiles could get
only marginal improvements.

the swaptimizer is a really cool idea, be sure to try it out - esp if you have a Turbo,
it is most likely disabled by default.
whether it helps depends on the workload and system.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: Nitro
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:17:09 GMT

In article <dillon.0oq2@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US  
(Matthew Dillon) writes:
> 
>     The main problem with 3.0 is in paging from disk, a faster processor
>     will not help at all in that area.
> 
> 					-Matt
> 
> --
> 
>     Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
>     1005 Apollo Way		uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
>     Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
>     USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000

If only it were really that simple!

Jim
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From: sadman@cccrma.Stanford.EDU (Stephen A. Davis)
Subject: Re: DSP chips are dinosaurs
Reply-To: sadman@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Stephen A. Davis)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:18:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.203344.10597@pixar.com> Bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)  
writes:
> Well, they may still have some purpose for real-time sound manipulation,
> but it is _so_ hard to justify a DSP when the main processor can process
> signals faster! That's why the NeXT is the last of the modern workstations
> to incorporate them.
> 					Bruce
Interesting point since the NeXT was the _first_ modern workstation to  
incorporate a DSP.  But as long as NeXT is using some version of the 680X0  
architecture, a DSP is a great benefit for real-time processing of any kind.   
Especially since mach/unix is _not_ a real-time friendly OS.

stephen
--
sadman@ccrma.stanford.edu	
The Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA)
*** NeXT mail okay ***
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From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Call for non-NeXT CDROM players that work with NeXTs for the FAQ
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:01:56 GMT

Lots-o-folks are asking, so it's time to get a list of the non-NeXT
CDROM players that work with NeXT machines.  Please - no speculation,
just the facts (actual experience), and nclude model information.

Please respond by email only.

Thanks!

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

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From: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
Subject: Turning off the NeXT Printer
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:54:16 GMT

    Hi, I just got my NeXT printer (Hurray!) but now I want to know how I 
can either turn it off and on or, better yet, have it turn off on its own 
when I start and then only turn it on later if I need it.  Is this 
possible?

g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Which CD Players Work (summary)
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:06:21 GMT
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA

In article <1abmk8INNeu6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sasha1@cats.ucsc.edu (Lars Elias Pave) writes:
>[munched very good summary of CD-ROM on NeXT]

MacWarehouse's latest issue (arrived a week or so ago) has a $299 SCSI CD-ROM
advertised for the Mac.  I am going to look into it further.  This is now
getting to the price point where things look very interesting.  Even if I
have to pay $50 for a different cable and it goes slow (325ms access time
is advertised), the low price is extremely attractive (even if the case IS
beige :-)

 Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear)
Subject: Extending the laser printer cable?
Reply-To: brian@coconut.com
Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:30:55 PDT
Keywords: NeXT laser printer cable

NeXT tells me it ain't possible, but I figure there's *got* to be
a way.....
 
I have a NeXTcube and a NeXT laser printer.  And I want the NeXT
laser printer completely on the other side of the room in my 
office.  To put it there, I need an extension to the cable that
goes between the printer and the 'cube.
 
NeXT tells me any lengthening of the cable would result in
loss of signal or degraded signal.  I say a properly shielded cable
should be able to go another say 15 feet, no?
 
Anyone ever extended the length of their NeXT laser printer's cable?
 
Any ideas/suggestions welcome!
 
Brian Dear /// Coconut Computing, Inc. /// brian@coconut.com
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Nitro
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:31:16 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <3008@news.cerf.net> billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski) writes:
>Well I might as well be the first to initiate a useless
>thread about the maybe new, maybe not "nitro" box.
>
>So here we go...
>
>I suspect that you could barely feel the diff in speed
>from 33 to 40Mhz (if at all). I suspect the motivation is
>more marketing glycerin than engineering nitro.
>
>bill romanowski
>vp of taking the garbage out on thursday before the truck gets here
>prairie research

    The main problem with 3.0 is in paging from disk, a faster processor
    will not help at all in that area.

					-Matt

--

    Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
    1005 Apollo Way		uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
    Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong)
Subject: Buy a Used NeXT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:31:28 GMT

Does anybody know if we need to transfer registration when we sell our
NeXT to someone else? If that's true, how can I do it?

Hope to hear from someone who periously buy or sell a NeXT.
Thanks in advance,
Andy
From: asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Nitro
Keywords: nitro
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:33:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In <3008@news.cerf.net> billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski) writes:

>Well I might as well be the first to initiate a useless
>thread about the maybe new, maybe not "nitro" box.

Can I play too?

>I suspect that you could barely feel the diff in speed
>from 33 to 40Mhz (if at all). I suspect the motivation is
>more marketing glycerin than engineering nitro.

Well, quite possible.  But also remember 3.0!  I'd imagine that the
small increase in speed (plus the nbuf idea) might just compensate for
3.0's slowness and boost the machine back to 2.x operating speeds.
Every extra ounce of power can help.

Nuther idea.  I'd imagine that there are a LOT of folks out there with
25Mhz machines that would upgrade (read: sell and buy new machine) if
only the improvement was a bit larger than 25->33.

And one last one.  Maybe NeXT has decided that folks see them as being
too "static" in their machine changes.  After all, the '040 machines
came out 2 years ago, and the Turbo's this past spring.  But that's
not that much of a product change, especially when you look at a lot
of companies who come out with new machines every other 6 months or
so.  Possibly NeXT is going for a bit more dynamic and fast moving
look?

-doug
From: wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Microtek scanmaker II scanner driver for NeXT?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:51:15 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Well, for sometime now I've been lusting after HSD's color scanner, but haven't  
been able to find the $2K to buy it.  Most Mac scanners, even the ones that are  
supposedly better than the HSD one (the HP and the UMAX coe to mind) were in  
the $1400 range.  After going to Seybold and playing with Appsoft Image, I know  
that I really want to get a scanner.  Microtek just announced a new low cost  
color scanner (600 dpi, three pass, kind-a-slow) for under $1K!  In this week's  
MacWeek there is an add from "Hardware That Fits" that advertises the new  
MicroTek Scanmaker II Scanner for only $949!  

Does anyone know of a driver for this scanner on the NeXT? 

--

-->  Michael B. Johnson
-->  MIT Media Lab      --  Computer Graphics & Animation Group
-->  (617) 253-0663     --  wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
-->  NeXT Mail accepted at  wave@waits.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Nitro
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.133355.861@next.cambridge.ma.us>
	simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) writes:
>I don't know where you guys are getting this "Nitro" name from.

I don't know either--but I have corroboration from multiple
independent reliable sources that *Nitro* machines not only
exist, but have been delivered to selected registered developers.

"So what?"  As far as the general public is concerned, nothing
has changed.  There are no new announced products.  Until then,
nothing is cast in stone, and Nitro is nothing more than a
prototype for something that may never be offered for sale.
That's up to the marketroids--who have stated their intent
to deliberately delay introducing any new hardware until The
Appropriate Time (i.e. when a competitor needs to be trounced).
NeXT's hardware engineers aren't sitting on their butts.  When
Marketing finally says "give us the best you've got" it's going
to be the best they've got that week, not the best they've got
right now.

					-=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Nitro
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:08:54 GMT

In article <BvnJ4A.pL.2@cs.cmu.edu> nash+@cs.cmu.edu (Richard Nash) writes:
>>In article <dillon.0oq2@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US  
>>(Matthew Dillon) writes:
>>> 
>>>     The main problem with 3.0 is in paging from disk, a faster processor
>>>     will not help at all in that area.
>>> 
>>>                                       -Matt
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>>     Matthew Dillon            dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
>>>     1005 Apollo Way           uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
>>>     Incline Village, NV. 89451        ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
>>>     USA                       Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
>>
>>If only it were really that simple!
>>
>>Jim
>
>But it is true! Most of the perceived 'slowness' about next machines have to
>do with disk or network access. Even if the processor was infinitely fast,
>executing in zero time, the machine would look and feel almost as slow as
>it does today.
>
>Rich

GET MORE MEMORY!

You are using more memory than you have, that is why you are paging.

If you have a Turbo, try turning on the "swaptimizer" (see the swaptab
man page).  The swaptimizer compresses pages before they go out to
disk to reduce disk IO.  This works great (I use it on my 25mhz
machines) since you can't use the processor much during a page-fault
(since normally the windowserver causes the page-fault, and you must
wait to draw...), it makes sense.  It probably doesn't make sense on a
machine where you have a bunch of people logged in on ttys.


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: NeXTdimension -- Why so pricey?
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.231657.8482@socrates.umd.edu> ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes:
>
>So, why are NeXTdimension boards still ~$5,000 even though they don't
>even contain all the wonderful stuff that was promised, such as
>on-board JPEG compression?  Are i860s really *that* expensive?  Are
>there any really fancy things on the ND board that drive up the price?
>

My guess is that NeXT don't _want_ the ND to sell well. They're embarrassed
about it, and supporting it is like an albatross around their neck. They'd
rather people just forgot about it. It's also out of step with their long
term goal of switching emphasis from cubes to stations.

Dave Griffiths