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From: dethomas@amherst.edu (The Human Torch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Power Pack pilot
Date: 31 Mar 92 07:00:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Mar31.030002.1
Organization: Grucci Fireworks Inc.

In article <1992Mar30.154026.10894@wpi.WPI.EDU>, phillies@wpi.WPI.EDU (George D. Phillies) writes:
> The Power Pack pilot film.
> 
> I don't believe that any of the following qualifies as a spoiler.  On good 
> authority the series is never going to air. (Alas, alack, as it was much better 
> done than, e.g. the Superboy series of a few years back.) 
> 
> I managed to obtain a private copy of the unaired pilot video for Power Pack, 
> based on the comic of the same name.  Overall: extremely well done.  Good 
> photography, very tight editing (after three re-runs, the last with copious 
> invocation of slow and stopped motion, I was still catching things), and 
> first-rate acting based on a thoughtful script.  The writer managed to avoid 
> the usual cliches dealing with children.  My copy of the tape was very 
> sharp, though I had to damp the color level of the set a bit to get wood and 
> skin tones right.  

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to know this. Would you happen to
be able to tell the rest of us where we might be able to acquire one of those
tapes? 

later days!
--dt

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: META:  Saving Grace of all this crap
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.153914.2479@athena.mit.edu> bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan) writes:
>Signal:noise ratio would INCREASE, not decrease, if you think Marvel posts are
>noise.  (Noise decreases; it's in the denominator; Get it?)
>

Signal:noise has nothing to do with the subject of the post, but rather to
the usefulness of the information in said post.  Unfortunately, most of
the Marvel posts over the last month or so (especially) have been all noise,
no signal.  The Rogue/Cyclops/Adamantium/What is Youngblood/Overused Lines
discussions have been more repetitive than a Rainbird sprinkler.

The problem, I'm sorry to say, is the number of kids in the newsgroup who
quote heavily, say little of consequence, and generally cost the system lots
of time and money while not appreciably adding to the group's information
density.

>Of course, I am a Marvel fan.

Good for you.  Nothing inherently wrong with that, as long as you don't
waste everyone's time with it (like most of the Marvel fans here).


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From: birmingh@fnalc.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Organization: Aardvark Comment Sucks Club
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:13:28 GMT

    In article <1992Apr7.070924.22185@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
    bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:

> I guess my major complaint with this idea is that it shows a great deal
> of intolerance.  "I don't like this publisher, so I want a group without
> them in it."  Yes, I know people who want to read all the posts can read
> all the groups.  That's not the point.  The point is that I find it sad
> that some want to divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
> world for the sake of convenience.

         More to the point, a split would be *inconvenient* for me. I read
    a few big-two titles, as well as whatever of the independents I feel
    like picking up.

         Up until last night, I was not opposed to a split of r.a.c.
    However, the fact is that a split would be personally inconvenient.
    This is compounded by what I see as an offensive degree of snobbery on
    the part of a few split proponents. If this ever comes to a vote, I'll
    vote no.
-- 
    Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
    I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
    "You mean if I buy this pack of cards, I might get a three-dimensional
    picture of a two-dimensional comic character? And you want HOW MUCH?"
From: tbroudy@envy.Reed.Edu (Timothy Malcolm Broudy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:20:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr11.072033.24836
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

> And, IMO, the worst part about Wolverine's line is that they keep  
beating
> us over the head with the small piece of information we do know about  
him,
> while systematically refusing to reveal anything new about him. 

..Actually, it's when they mention new things about him that REALLY annoy  
me. Years later, they come up with some freak occurrence where he ran into  
whomever, and so on... every few issues when they get bored, or something.  
Learning Japanese... sure. Canadian teams, etc. all right. When they go on  
to stuff like that Cap. America, Black Widow, Wolverine issue, I start  
getting annoyed. They start doing STUPID things about working for the CIA  
undercover, years ago, using high-tech stuff, being brainwashed not to  
remember, and so on... I get pissed. It just goes for further breaks from  
character, such that by now, really, he has none. A few of these would be  
all right, but it goes on, ad nauseam.
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: X-FORCE: Warpath
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:05:20 GMT
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In <1992Apr9.175052.9452@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa719@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stan M. Mangrum) writes:



+>With the release of the X-Men Cards, I offer this question
+>for discussion. What is the true size of Warpath? According
+>to his x-card, he's 6'1" and weighs 214 lbs. Cable's listed
+>at 6'8" and 350 lbs. But since the creation of X-Force, I've
+>never seen a picture where Warpath was smaller than Cable.
+>I know as a Hellion, Warpath was normal sized. So what's the
+>deal?

	If it were up to me, I would say that Cable has been 
feeding him various addictive chemicals which caused him to
grow.


+>Before those of you who are not so fond of Liefeld ignite 
+>your Liefeld designated flame-throwers, consider that 
+>McFarlane also drew Warpath oversized in the crossover.  
+>The new guy who took over pencil duty with X-Force #10 (Mark 
+>Pacella)? It appears that he is drawing Warpath as a huge 
+>behemoth as well. And what about those editors? Shouldn't
+>they catch this sort of thing?

	The editor is Bob Harras.  Lots of the blame for
whats wrong with various x-books rests with him.  He has
in many ways become bigger than any of the artists/writers
in control of the books.  The rumors are that he plays
artists and writers off against each other.

	I would expect that the editors believe that X-Force
by Leifeld was "perfect" and all of his concepts, including
warpath's size must be preserved.  Probably for the same reason
that magneto has to be evil and xavier has to lose the use
of his legs.
From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Scotty B at UWEC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Forgotten Heroes (was Re: Bob Newhart...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:52:15 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

7 
> My candidates for a new Forgotten Heroes group:
> 1.  Black Lightning
> 
> Tom
In the D.C. '91 preview it listed a Black Lightning Mini-series of 4 issues. 
Needless to say it hasn't seen the light of day yet, but I believe that it
will be released with the Oudsiders ongoing series(Anybody Know when its coming
out?)

Scotty B
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: XFactor: #78 spoilers && Re: Abortion in Comics
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:11:04 GMT

In article <57138@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Funny this should be brought up now.
>
>The story in X-FACTOR #78 was squarely about abortion...originally.  The
>story focussed on the notion that women were being tested, learning that 
>their children had potential to be mutants, and were considering (or actually
>having) abortions based on that fact.  The final version was watered down to
>the point of so totally obscuring the original story concept (with the 
>addition of the notion that the mutant gene was capable of being extracted
>from the fetus rather than that women were just going to extract the fetus--
>said addition to the story NOT coming from me) that people who read it had
>no clue that it was supposed to be about abortion.

Spoilers ahead




Maybe that's why the story didn't make much sense.  In the first part, the
doctor says the identification is not 100% positive...In the scond they
talk about removing the mutant gene?????  What about false positive
results?  What would happen if they took out the "mutant" gene from a baby
that wasn't a mutant.  Also, does this mean they would have to take it out
of every cell in the child's body?  (Most pregnancy tests don't work until
a couple of weeks after pregnancy, which means the zygote has already
divided many times...I think.  Can someone back me up here?)
Also, the fact that a doctor is using human subjects as tests for his
theories (The research was never even finished) and I wonder why the
government didn't get him on criminal charges. (On using unproven
treatments on humans, at the least)

>And just to put aside any thoughts you may have--no, the demands for changes
>did not come from my editor, and they did not come from Tom DeFalco.  
>DeFalco, in point of fact, fought for the story (feeling that I had pulled 
>off a touchy subject in a tasteful and fair manner) but was overruled by
>highers up who were still jumpy over all the media attention from the 
>Alpha Flight issue.
>
>PAD

Just how far up did this thing go?  Just curious...

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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: MISC: Alan Davis
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:31:13 GMT


Would it be appropriate to point out here that several of the DR and
Quinch stories (written by Alan Moore, art by Alan Davis) originally
printed in 2000AD have been collected in a TPB called 'DR and Quinch's
Totally Awesome Guide to Life' published by Titan Books?

Probably not, but I'll do it anyway...

Mike
From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue's and Cyclops' control of powers
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:15:47 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr14.030546.13203@midway.uchicago.edu>, gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman) writes:
>>
> So what happened????? (I have skimmed the X-men/AF crossover TP
> but not that thoroughly).  I know that all that stuff that
> maddie did reverted back to normal, but how and why?
> 
> ALso, what was the catch to Maddie's healing power????
> (i.e. what did she sacrifice?)
> 
> Also, they ahve resolved how Maddie was affected, since she
> really was a mutant (clone of Jean Grey).  Guess they
> don't care that the retcon changed this little ditty.
> 
> Gary

-- 
	Well, Gary...it went like this...

	When all of the X-Men and Alphans involved (together with
the humans who were originally affected by the beam) discovered
what the price for their power was (i.e. losing a VERY large part
of their imagination--Basically) they quickly made a stand...some
for letting the beam affect the entire world, others for stopping
it right there and then...after a bried fight between the two opposing
factions, the author of it all showed up...LOKI...they fought him
and a group of Frost Giants (X-Men and Alphans won, incidentally)
and after the fight, they decided against letting the beam run it's 
course...so Loki took the powers and all of the benefits of those
powers away...
	Geez...Loki was hacked off and was just about to beat the
bajeebies out of them when some really powerful gods showed up and
told him to put his toys away and go to bed...basically...haha...	
	By the way, I think the way they explained Maddie getting
abilities, even though a mutant, was that it made people *special*
by giving them abilities that fit their personalities...anyone who
already possessed powers were already special (god I hate saying
that word!!) and didn't need the affects of the beam...and at the time, 
Maddie didn't have any of her mutant powers...Nastirh was the one
who awakened them, and that was long after the X-men/Alpha Flight
crossover...

	Like I said before...don't live or die on this info...


	Wease

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From: mlh2416@summa.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Slaine
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:41:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




me again, 

does anyone know if they ever collected the Slaine stories into 
one or more GN's and if so who did these and are they still available?

thanx,

clueless

mlh2416@zeus.tamu.edu

_______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 04:47:15 -0400 
From: Michael P Collins <mc7f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Moon Knight

}	I stopped getting MK shortly after the "Trial of Marc Spector",
}not because I thougt it was bad, but for economic reasons.  I am sad to 
}hear that T. Kavanaugh is slaughtering it.  Could anyone elaborate how,
}so I can put in my 2 cents?

Well, he seems to have rammed the comic into the stone ages.  Just as MK
was becoming an interesting figure again, WHAM!!! MK becomes a
combination of The Punisher and Iron Man, without the good parts.  All
the development in the current series was wiped away...sigh.
--Evil Incarnate
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From: kbos@triton.unm.edu (Kurt M. Bose)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor (Spoilers!!!)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 08:40:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr10.145845.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott) writes:
>
>I seem to have missed something somewhere... Many people talk about the 
>Witness as the Gambit of the future. Where/when were we told this? I can't 
>remember seeing it anywhere in a comic.
>
Read X-Men (new) #8.

Also, in an earlier post, I suggested that Moira may try something if she comes
back to the mansion. (The exact quote is, "[Her] mind is more messed up than
bedcovers the day after the wedding.")

See, everyone assumes that Jean is being zapped by the X-Traitor, but then why
bother deactivating the outside security?  Who would suspect an X-Man?  On the
other hand, if security were turned off, ANYONE could walk in.  So the traitor
need not be a murderer, but only be a plant for someone else, perhaps even
someone unknown by Jean.  Maybe even ...Cable??? Naah. Anyway, UncX-Men 289 has
a special guest star that is revealed to be living in the Mansion.



This is a spoiler if you haven't read #289 or Wolvie53, so be warned.



Mystique. , Personally, I'm not sure about her, so she might be a baddie. Think?


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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Third Elmo)
Subject: Re: DC: Captain Atom Mini-series
Organization: Muppetgame IV
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.214621.13196@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:
> [Jonathon Peterson to write CA mini, Cap v. Aliens]

> Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom

	Yuck.  CA 1-50 were damn good superhero stuff.  We're talking real,
honest-to-god character development here.  The Cap of #50 was not even close to
the Cap of #1; the same is true for the supporting cast.
	Then along comes John Ostrander, who a. couldn't be bothered to read
his predecessors' work, because he immediately has Cap have trouble with his
anger, even though Cap has gone through Purgatory to purge himself of said
anger! and b. immediately brings in two or three dozen concepts (Rasputin,
"Dark" Firestorm) that had completely failed in _Firestorm_.
	Then the character gets handed over to incompetent hack/"I know an
editor, so I can get writing assignments" Jonathon Peterson, who proceeds to
turn him into a puncheminnaface character in stories with a negative IQ.
	PFUI!  Time for another scathing letter....
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From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Scotty B at UWEC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Claremont:Wolverine's Death
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:00:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

> I was wondering if it was true that Claremont had planned to kill Wolverine off
> sometime this year.
> 
> I heard a rumor recently that Claremont plotted for the next 5 years of X-Men 
> and planned within a year to have a villian go against Wolverine who would rip
> out Wolvie's heart and show it to him.  Wolvie would DIE before his healing
> factor could fully regenerate his heart.  I MEAN DEAD!  NO MORE WOLVERINE!

I saw Claremont at the Chicago Comic-con'91(Anybody know when it is this year?)
when he did a questions and answers panel.  Somebody did ask what he was
planning to do with wolverine and the sub-plot of wolvie's failing health and
he just said.

"I was going to kill him"

Needless to say I cheered!
But he went on to explain that the editors wouldn't let him kill off one of
their most popular charactors.
It would of been a great story-line but I can't really blame Marvel for not
wanting to kill a breadwinner.

Thanks for listening,
Scotty B
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: TOM DERFALCO=HITLER???
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:11:09 GMT

>And also, are there any Moon Knight (old Moon Knight) fans out there?  Would 
>you like to form a posse with me so we can go and utterly kill and slay and 
>dismember Terry Kavanaugh for what he's doing to the book?  I want Chuck
>Dixon back, damn it!!!
>
Gosh, I Hope you don't go after Terry.  IMHO he's one the best editors marvel
has.  From what I've seen, he lets his creative teams do what they want with 
little interference(unlike, say, Bob "you're-gonna-write-what-I-want-and-like-it
" Harris)

BTW-Does Terry write the book or edit it?

------SCAVENGER

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From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: the ticK
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:38:30 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <F813iB1w164w@smashland.nelsonville.oh.us> bshremsh@smashland.nelsonville.oh.us (Ben Shremshock) writes:
>
>        Howdy everyone!  Has anyone read The Tick?  If you have, I'm sure 
>you too have become as addicted as I am.  This is a relatively new comic 
>that is so original, to me at least, that it is the best thing since 
>bikinis.  Too bad it seems like a new one come out only once every three 
>years, or almost at any rate.   
>        If you like The Tick, let me know and tell me what you think of it.  
>If you haven't read it before, do so, and you won't regret it, or maybe you 
>will.  TTFN.
>                                        Ben Shremshock
>                        bshremsh@smashland.nelsonville.oh.us

I love this comic!!!! It's the only one I buy anymore!!!!

(sure saves me money.)
-- 
Jeff Klein                  | "One of you is a Charlie Brown mutant,
                            |  and the other has a hand growing out  
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu      |  of his(?) head!" - Blue Bunny
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From: maser@caen.engin.umich.edu (Steven Michael Maser)
Subject: Re: The Griffin - to be continued?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 11:08:21 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Apr15.203845.6692@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <ins434u.703126223@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au> ins434u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.C. May) writes:
>>  I was just wondering if there is any news to continue the story left off
>>at the conclusion of the Griffin mini-series.  It seemed fairly open-ended;
>>anyone know any of any possible developments?
>
>Sadly, the Griffin newsletter said that low sales made it almost impossible
>for there to be a sequel from DC, which I think is really too bad as The
>Griffin is the best series I've read in the last year or so.

As much as I enjoyed it, I'm not surprised at the low sales.  The book
retailed at $4.95!  To get the whole series it was $30.  If they had
marketed it any other way than Presitge Format, then DC would probably
have sold more copies.


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