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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: people like you.
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:00:37 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


 People like you are just as bad as Commodores management. Commodore has
been working on new systems for two years now. Telling people that they
are working on new systems is just as bad as not telling people. Looks
at what the rumours have done. Potential users are waiting for new
machines. Existing users are waiting for new graphics chips ect. instead
of supporting 3rd party companies.

 I agree with some of what you said. I sent a letter to Mr. Robinson
before I read this message. In my letter I supported Commodore. I told
him he had now right to write such a one sided article. I also told him
that as an Amiga user I was a little upset waiting, not knowing what
Commodore has planned!

 Why doesn't Mr. Robinson write an article about how IBM hasn't released
anything new except for faster machines in the past 6 years. Or how
Apples OS is slow. Because he would be sued. I suspect Mr. Robinson
never thought Commodore would jump on his throat.

 People deserve the right to know both sides of the story. Commodores
response shows that they are being supportive. In the past Commodore
would let such a statement pass on deaf ears.

 I don't think Mr. Robinson should retract everything he said. I do
thing that Mr. Robinson should tell both  sides of the story.
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:15:53 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) writes:

>Of the hundreds of developers, which ones are jumping? A/C's Guide to the 
>Amiga has more listings of hardware and software every issue. Every major
>piece of software I own has gone through one or two major upgrades in the
>last year. I am truly curious to know the names of the developers that are 
>bailing out.

Good point.  Though the Amiga market is not as blooming as the IBM/MAC 
markets are... everytime I open up the latest issue of AmigaWorld or whatnot,
I always see advertisements about new products...

>	David

>	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
>	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
>		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
>		    employer.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:20:57 GMT

In <192002@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov> pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:

>In article <kehlet.05od@kehlet.adsp.sub.org>, kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>> W/NT has been announced as a very efficient enhancement of Windows/386,
>> that should support OS/2 specific applications and incorporate the best
>> from the UNIX world.

>Haven't they already demonstrated a beta version on a DEC Alpha workstation?

I don't know about NT on the DEC Alpha, but at the Open Systems show
a couple of months back in Toronto, at least a couple of R4000
workstation vendors had NT running.  I played with one for a while
and came to the conclusion that that particular NT implementation
(probably a beta version) was running about as quickly as Windows
3.1 on a 386 clone.  I'm not kidding either.  Speculation as to
why the os running on a R4000 system could hardly outperform a
similar os running on a 386 is left as an exercise for the reader.

Ben
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From: peter@blade (Peter Korsten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS Names - what they are...
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:18:43 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence) writes:
: [stuff deleted]
: If I wanted to be technical, I'd say that Intuition was the Amiga GUI, not  
: Workbench.  However, I've seen so many *obviously* wrong OS names that much of  
: this is nit-picking.  At least people *do* care what the real names are, so  
: here goes (w/ corrections thus far):
: 
: Sys     User Gfx Shell   GUI              Operating System
: ---------------------------------------------------------
: Amiga   Workbench        Intuition        AmigaOS
: ST      GEM Desktop      GEM              TOS
: Mac     Finder           System           System
: PC      Windows, OS/2*   OpenLook         MS-DOS; PC-DOS; OS/2; DR-DOS
: NeXT    File Viewer      NeXTStep         Mach

PC still isn't correct. How about this?

PC  1:	  Program Manager    MS-Windows              MS-DOS*
    2:    Program Manager?   Presentation Manager    OS/2

And for Unix:

Unix      Is there any?!     X+(Motif or Open Look   Unix SysVr4 or
                                or TWM or whatever)  BSD

Ah, forget about Unix, I'm really not sure about that. Unix runs on
many different architectures, including all the above computers. And
there are also the different workstations, like Suns, DECstations,
the like with SunView, DEC Window Manager. etc.

					Peter.
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From: parris@cs.scarolina.edu (Barry Parris)
Subject: Re: Silly columnists
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:58:54 GMT

tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:

>TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:

>>Okay. Now I understand that computers use 1's and 0's to represent
>>data, but how do they get the colors on the screen?

>Why that's simple.  

>They use the instruction set that communicates with the machine code to send
>the data to the cashes, wherein the teller sends it to the screen.
                                     ^^^^^^

Ohhhh!  That explains banks of RAM.  And the cash(es).
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett is irrelevant. Atari Falcon is REAL
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:08:33 GMT

In article <torrie.711786976@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

[ ]
>
>  I think the point is that most Macs don't have the computing power
>of workstations, so things like S+ are unlikely to be ported to them.
>For example, how many S+ users are there who don't have access to
>some high-powered workstation?  If I wanted to do statistical analysis, 
>and I had a choice of a command-line oriented version on a Mac, 
>and a command-line oriented version on a IBM RS/6000, I'd choose
>the RS/6000 every time.

S+ runs on a NeXt and does not use a CLI, until you are inside the program.
Both Mac's and NeXT's use 040's. Why make a Quadra? Does Apple expect it to
run Word and Excel faster?

>  People like SAS have got it right.  You provide a nice interface
>program on a Mac, and leave the grunt power to a workstation program.
>Similarly, lots of people run Mathematica front-ends on Macs, but
>run the kernel on one of the available 30 SPEC workstations.
>  People just wouldn't buy S+ for their Mac LC II (forgetting about
>the cost!) even if it were available.  They might buy a nice Mac front
>end to an S+ kernel which their institution has licensed though...

Having a frint end is a good idea. SAS does not put out a front end to their
main program, which in any case is not in the same league as S+. Mathematica
does for both the Mac and the NeXT. 

A nice front end to S+? You can use X on the Mac and a terminal, but then 
you're back to the mainframe days. The point is that S+ could not be ported
easily to the Mac under the MacOS.

As for cost, there are site licenses. In my opinion Apple has given up on 
the high end. They are sticking to the middle, which isn't a bad strategy.
The Mac OS is useful for many things as is. But it hasn't improved greatly
for years. 7.0 was really no big deal. Let them put in preemptive
multitasking.

Philip
nextwave!seacove!philip@epas.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:37:31 GMT

In article <20290@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> fettig@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Thomas Fettig) writes:
> And who destroyed the saving
>and loan System (sp?- here in Germany called Sparkasse)? That was in my
>eyes the worst thing the american government could do. They knew what 
>would happen and didn't care. 

   The S&Ls destroyed themselves.  The fault was not that our government
destroyed them, but that they tried too hard to save them.  S&Ls are agencies
that lend money so that people can purchase homes.  With the real estate 
market booming in the 70s, the S&Ls overinvested in the market.  Then when the
real estate market crashed, it took most of the S&Ls with it.  Our government
stepped in to save them, allowing them more freedoms in how S&Ls could invest
their money, which lead to corruption and outright fraud with funds that the
S&Ls knew were federally guaranteed to depositors.  When the real estate
market crashed (something that was not preventable), our government should
have let the S&Ls die and just payed off the depositors then and there; it
would then have cost the taxpayers $30 Billion instead of $300 Billion.  

   BTW, this is a perfect argument for getting socialism the hell out of our
government.  Bailouts of any kind -- whether they are for individuals or
firms -- are socialist policies.  If our government had just let the free
market takes its toll, it would have saved $270 Billion in the long run.  

>		Thomas

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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:10:04 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat Software

In article <1992Jul27.174646.41916@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> Let me get this straight...you flame someone for complaining on the
>> speed of OS/2 on anything less than a 386DX-33 without seeing
>> it run;  yet you imply that you've not seen it run on a 386SX either 
>> in your counter aggument ?
>> 
>> That's an interesting argument;   The old 
>> "You've never tried it so you don't know; I've never tried it, so I do know"
>> line of reasoning isn't often used.
>> 
>> There's probably a good reason for this.
>
>Well, he heard right.  I have seen OS/2 2.0 on a 386sx-25 with 6 megs 
>of RAM.  It ran moderatly fast.  With some more RAM, it would be just 
>plain fast.  And with the September CSD, it will be even faster.
>

>|  Charles A. Thompson               |  thompson@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu         |


Whoh, talk about _missing_ the point.  The _point_ is that he countered
someone's hearsay argument with a hearsay argument of his own.

Whether what you consider 'moderately fast' is 'acceptably fast' to
someone who would actually try to use OS/2 2.0 on a 386SX is an
entirely different discussion, one I hope never to be involve in.

		andy
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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Powerbook 2/20 $699 in stores!
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:42:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

Sheesh... wonder how much it really costs Apple to make them?

Wonder how much it costs CBM to make the 600...

Thom
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC that kicks butt
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:09:40 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul31.070743.3161@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> Hey, maybe one of you PC advocates here can help me out.  I have a friend
> whos 386SX PC got zapped in a lightning storm and wants to upgrade with the
> insurance money.  He seems fairly impressed with my accelerated 2000,
> (Gforce 030/40mhz) so I'm trying to find a new PC in his price range that
> will be pretty gosh darn nice for a couple of years.  (His wife won't let
> him buy an Amiga, so thats out :( )
>
> This is what I'm suggesting so far:
>
> 386DX or 486SX with 64K cashe.  Speed: high as $$$ permits
> 8 mb ram
> local buss slot
> 120 meg harddrive
> Diamond Speedstar 24 video  (or equivalent)
> PanaSonic C1395             (ditto)
> 1.44 & 1.2 meg floppies (obviously)
> ser and parallel ports (ditto)
> SoundBlaster (ditto)
>
> Does anybody know of a name brand company that sells such a beast?  And
> a good $$$ for this?
> Don't suggest any Joe's garage or basement brands, 'cause I doubt if he'd
> buy it.  Thanks.  Any reasonable comments will also be appriciated.
> Please no flames, as this is an honest request.
>

The Dell 486P/50 with 8MB of RAM, 210MB hard disk, 25/50MHz 486DX2, and
localbus video SVGA that does very very very fast SVGA video costs $2300
at CompUSA.  Or call Dell direct.  Very much like a PC with a GVP accelerator
built into the motherboard.

> E-Mail or Post.
>
> Fred H.
> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
>

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:59:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.221403.19354@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>It seems that proclaiming the deal of "proprietary" architectures and
>implementations is pretty much premature, considering the emergence and
>survival of NeXT, the development of half a dozen "proprietary" game 
>consoles, the Newton, all the RISC level machines, etc. etc.
               ^^^^^^
The Newton architecture is already licensed to Sharp, Toshiba and Motorola,
and probably others.  I wouldn't exactly call that "proprietary".

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From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.145823.24015@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>he visited a friend of his (I  know, I know, this sounds far fetched, but
>>it will become clear) at work. His friend worked for DEC. Now, he said
>>that the dude was working on an Clayton's AMiga 3000, that is, an Amiga 3000
>>with a DEC badge on it. 
>
>I haven't seen this yet, but DEC already has PCs with DEC badges on them.
>The lower end machines have the same cases as the Tandy PCs.
>
>

As I posted earlier, at the university here DEC will be installing 
Amigas repackaged as Toasters repackaged as DEC workstations on a network
for use as advertizing and information video terminals. 

By the way, DEC sells 3 various qualities of pc-clones.  First there were
the ones with Tandy cases and motherboards.  Then there are some cheap
almost assembled clones with the same cheap clone case I have been selling   
for a year now, along with a variety of OTI and CHIPS video, i/o, and 
motherboards (not very good motherboards IMHO).   Now there are 
Decstation 320/lp, 425/lp with better cases and DIGITAL printed on the
motherboards (still Taiwanese though) along with a variety of AMD
and Intel CPU's.  To be fair, they are improving, somewhat, but I'm
only saying that because we got a lab of them for free.

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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.162434.22535@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>It definitely _can_ approach the performance of an Indigo Elan with the
>R3000 processor. It might not reach it (especially for speed of screen
>updates) but the computational power is in the same range.
>Of course, the new R4000 Indigos are different.

I should have mentioned that the figures I posted are for the R4000 systems.
The guys from SG said the R3000 systems were being phased out.

>Michael van Elst

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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:24:34 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <1992Jul25.214155.24429@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Mike, if you think that an Amiga with an accelerator and a 24-bit TIGA
>board can even begin to approach the performance of an Indigo Elan, you
>are badly disillusioned.  On the other hand, that Elan graphics board alone
>costs something like $16K.

It definitely _can_ approach the performance of an Indigo Elan with the
R3000 processor. It might not reach it (especially for speed of screen
updates) but the computational power is in the same range.
Of course, the new R4000 Indigos are different.

Regards,
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:07:42 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul28.142925.14351@cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapcnl@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence) writes:
> Considering the fact that CC is Commodore's main dealer/distributor in the
> Southwest US, I find it extremely unlikely that CBM would cut them off...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Commodore.  Commodore.  Commodore.  Not so unlikely!

> --
> Chris Lawrence
> Pretender to the Throne; Destroyer of the Faith
> -----------------------------------------------
> "To say that a small percentage of Americans should be treated better than the
> other 90+% due to past injustice is the act of freeloaders, not responsible
> human beings." - Chris Lawrence, RE Affirmative Action

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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need Help - 50 Hz flickers
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:34:51 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.16b 5/26/92 by Mikes Schwartz & Smith

In article <u894776.711598888@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>>   So now, after all the flames I received for condemning PAL for being the
>>horrible TV standard that it is, I finally find someone else (a European no
>
>	Are you a TV engineer or something?  Why exactly is PAL a horrible
>TV standard?  I admit that 50Hz and even 60Hz are dreadful refresh rates
>[no one - not even a euro 50Hz user could admit that a full screen of
>white under PAL doesnt shimmer] - but I would take PAL over NTSC as a TV
>standard anyday!

PAL is a horrible MONITOR standard.  Since we're talking about RGB Monitors
here NTSC doesn't have any of it's chroma-quirks.  And 60hz give a more stable
display than 50hz...

Glenn Doiron
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:00:56 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul28.192815.41958@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> I find OS/2 acceptable on a 386sx, but this is a highly subjective area.
> I am sure that some readers of this group would not find OS/2 acceptable
> on a 386dx.  It depends on the person.
>

Some people actually find OS 2.04 runs acceptable on an A500 :)

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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: ! Pournelle [sic] says that there is a new amiga !
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:06:47 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul25.215915.20050@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>hmm... didn't think of the A600 as a new machine... have been hearing
>about it for so long (year now)...
>
	From many people's perspectives, the 3000+ and 4000
aren't new either. 8-)

	(NOTE: i don't know more than you do)
	-- Ethan