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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Who's Number 2?
Organization: American Math. Society
	<C05p2E.35o@utdallas.edu> <78991@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:40:25 GMT

In article <78991@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

   >There are some voices calling for Michigan as #2 since they've beaten
   >3 top 25 teams.  But UK also beat 3 top 25 teams this season - Indiana, 
   >Georgia Tech, and Louisville (who no longer grace the list).  And unlike
   >Michigan, they haven't been defeated.

Louisville doesn't belong in the list.  Georgia Tech can't compare to
UNC or Kansas.  And the reason they haven't been defeated yet is that
UK hasn't played at Duke.  Nevertheless, I believe the polls will
put UM at #3, UK at #2.  Who will be #4?


-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: creps@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps)
Subject: The Quality of this Group
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:44:53 GMT


   Since I've started getting more time to post to this group again,
have people noticed that the quality of r.s.b.c  has improved quite
significantly?

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Steve Creps, Indiana University
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC/Michigan - Top Teams...You eeediots!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:23:59 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Department of Physics
Distribution: world
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In article <M1WCC00.93Jan4151238@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov>, m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan1.022416.2151@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>    Curtis Hill:
|> 
|>    > Just note that Michigan played a far sight better vs UNC than the did 
|>    > versus Duke a few weeks ago.
|> 
|>    I didn't want to show any bias, but this is true. Against the Heels, they
|>    look like they were ready to take on the world. Webber was so psyched up
|>    for Montross, but against Pauley, he looked his usual self. Against Duke,
|>    they looked almost intimidate, but against the Heels, they looked
|>    blodd-thirsty. Teams still get up for UNC, even though Duke is the top dog
|>    now.
|> 
|>    > The potential in Ann Arbor is frightening
|>    > and I'm not writing them off yet.
|> 
|>    After watching them beat Kansas too, it looks good for them. I mean, you
|>    can say KU was overrated (I don't know, because they beat IU in Indiana),
|>    or that it's too early, but UM played and beat 3 top 20 teams in 3 days,
|>    in Hawaii too. I think that the play of Juwan Howard is critical to their
|>    success.
|> 
|>    Mike Dunnagan ----
|> 
|>    ----------------------------------------------
|> I think you folks are forgetting that KU was without their goliath Greg
|> Ostertag.  He's not a great player, but he would have had a huge impact
|> against UM.  Why KU didn't go zone when Pauley started getting in foul 
|> trouble I just can't figure.  Man to man is their strength but cmon.
|> Patrick Richey has been a swing player through his career and he had
|> to cover the strongest inside college player this year one on one.
|> Pure suicide.  Williams really showed me nothing this game.  It's also
|> time to bench Rex Walters in favor of Steve Woodbury.  SW is solid in 
|> every phase whereas RW has been turning over the ball, shooting bricks,
|> and getting beat defensively.  Woodbury should have been checking Rose
|> from the tip-off.
|> Wayne.


Yes indeedie, KU was without Ostertag.  But Michigan, on the other hand, was
without the services of Ray Jackson, their starting small forward and
the best defender on the team.  UM instead had to start off their bench
-- a bench that was trumpeted before the season started but hasn't delivered
at all -- and had to go with a three-guard starting lineup.  So I'm not
really very impressed with the Ostertag arguments.

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Metro Musings
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:44:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The Metro has really dropped off after sending 4 teams to the NCAA Tournament
last year.  I see only 2 candidates for at-large bids, Louisville and Tulane.
If Louisville manages to drop more than 2 or 3 of these conference games,
they will probably lose any chance of an at-large bid.  Is anyone else
watching this piddly conference? ;)  I'd be interested to hear opinions of
non-UofL Metro fans.

Mike
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: AP Top 25 (1/10/93)
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:42:16 GMT

                  AP Top 25
                Through Jan. 10

                      Record Points  Pvs
1.  Kentucky (50)       11-0  1,608    2
2.  Michigan (14)       12-1  1,545    3
3.  Duke (1)            10-1  1,496    1
4.  Kansas              11-1  1,395    4
5.  North Carolina      12-1  1,324    6
6.  Indiana             13-2  1,323    5
7.  Seton Hall          13-1  1,244    7
8.  Georgia Tech         9-1  1,199   10
9.  Arkansas            11-1  1,035   13
10. Oklahoma            11-2  1,014   11
11. Cincinnati           9-1    974   16
12. Arizona              7-2    750   20
13. Iowa                11-2    701    8
14. Virginia             9-0    687   25
15. Connecticut          7-2    594   19
tie UCLA                10-3    594   15
17. Purdue               9-2    588    9
18. UNLV                 6-1    516   12
19. Minnesota           10-1    441   --
20. Georgetown           8-2    299   17
21. Ohio State           9-2    260   --
22. Boston College       9-2    226   --
23. Michigan St.         8-3    157   14
24. Syracuse             9-3    146   21
25. Utah                10-2    145   --

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Virginia under, FSU over.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:55:35 GMT

> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
>Bill:
>
>>  Many
>> people have told me that FSU was ranked high because of how
>> they were expected to do when Charlie Ward arrived.  Well guess
>> what?  He was there last night.  I just don't buy it.
>
>I don't either. What am I missing here? Charlie Ward is talented, but I
>think Sam Cassell is better, and it's a shame if they think they need him
>to win. Maybe they do, and he will no doubt contribute, but that team
>should not feel like he is their saving grace.
>

no, fsu was ranked high based on finishing 2nd in the ACC last year and
losing few if any players. bank on it; theyll get better--last year they
lost to ncaa non-invitee Virginia in tallahassee early, then went on
to finish 2nd in the acc regualr season, over UNC, Tech, and all the other
good but not Duke acc teams.
From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Texas Horns !  News, please, Austin folks !
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:01:24 GMT
Distribution: usa


  Why are you guys from Austin so silent about the horns ?  Please,
  there are some of us displaced fans, who like to hear some news !

  I saw the UT_Rice game on Tuesday (UT-87, Rice-92) and cried.  BJ Tyler is
  out for the year ?..  Come on guys, somebody please tell us such news when
  it happens.  I know, this season is going down the drain, but we would
  like to know how and why.

  About the Rice game.. I don't want any Owls ever complaining that
  they don't get support from the officials. They decided this game,
  and that's it !    Three intentional fouls on Texas ?.. Come on..
  Can't blame Penders for blowing his lid and getting rejected. 
  (This one reminded me so much about the UT-Baylor football game !)
  Hats off to the Texas players to hang in there and come back from
  a 22 pt deficit at 9 minutes to within 5 at 2 minutes. That too 
  with their point guard/leader out !   They would have had a chance to
  even win the game had the official called intentional on Rice for
  lifting and dropping Terrence Rencher at the 2 min mark (come on,
  give me a break..call *one* at least on them. let us be fair here..).

  To hell with it. It's time Texas got out of SWC.  These officials 
  stink. It is not worth it.

  GO HORNS !

  Jay  (why am I in California ?..)

  PS:  Hey, Penders' son looked good ! can he play point ?..
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Need ND vs. Duke tix
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:05:35 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.meaddata.com

I need to two tickets for the ND - Duke game on February 6th.  If you
have a couple extra let me know. Student tickets might be workable, 
but I would prefer General Admission tickets.

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Robert Jones   bobj@meaddata.com   Mead Data Central     Dayton, Ohio
"Driving an MG in competition is more than just starting out in a
worn-out old car, it's a symbol of rebellion against authority and convention,
the automotive equivalent of a little guy with a sling and an attitude
squaring off against the toughest opponent his enemies can offer."
   -Scott Fisher    
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: greg@unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Subject: Re: UCLA/Arizona
Keywords: Quick summary
Organization: The Cave
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:43:42 GMT

In article <57525@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Well the 2 teams playing the best ball in the Pac-10 met in Pauley last
>night and Arizona prevailed 82-80 in a game UCLA had no business being
>close in. I don't have the boxscore but they missed so many freethrows
>last night I wouldn't really want to know the exact total, add to that
>the inability to keep Arizona off the offensive glass, all the turnovers,
>and a terrific game from penetrator deluxe Damon Stoudamire and you get
>an Arizona win.

I watched the last 15 minutes of this game and it seemed to me that UCLA
mostly stood around on offense, in fact at times it looked like they didn't
even have an offense...

							--Greg
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley vs. G-Tech
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:57:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <79789@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>Why do the Tech fans pick on Hurley?  Well, probably because we're sick and 
>tired of hearing about him all the time.  The press is inundated with articles
>about Hurley is so much better than everyone else that he is #1 and the next
>guy is probably #5 or something.  It gets annoying never hearing about Travis
>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332

Relax, Avron.  You guys had Kenny for a few years and we all had to hear
it.  I'm sure Cremins will dig up some kid for Vitale to crow about and
then you will be happy (and still underachieving).
From: mark@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Mark Landsly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kevin Johnson played for...?
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:43:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <79073@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccocsme@prism.gatech.EDU (StatMan) writes:
|> 
|>   Can anyone tell me who the Suns's Kevin Johnson played for in college?
|> Also, What years did he play there?
|> 
|> Please reply to ccocsme@prism.gatech.edu
|> 
|> Thanks, Marty
|> -- 
|> "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore..."  ---  Dorothy Gale
|>                          -------------------------------------------------
|> Marty Esterman           | It is not computers that I fear. It is the lack
|> ccocsme@prism.gatech.edu | of them that I fear. -- Isaac Asimov  1920-1992

Kevin Johnsen played for the Univ. of California (at Berkeley) from 82-86.

Mark
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: FSU's season rides on Charlie Ward
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:15:58 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


Someone earlier posted something regarding Charlie Ward and not being
able to see how he could be so important to the basketball team.  Well,
if you saw the game against Wake Forest, you got a taste of what he will
bring back to the team once he is back at 100%.  The good defense, the
steals, the leadership of the team and great running of the offense.
Charlie never was the leading scorer, but he is good as a point guard
which frees the natural scorers on the team up to do what they do best.
Sam Cassell is much better as a shooting guard than he is at leading the
offense as point guard.  Notice the opening 3 or 4 minutes of the Wake
Forest game which demonstrated FSU's now famous "helter skelter" style of 
play?  Charlie Ward fuels that.  I can't wait until Charlie gets back to 
100%!

Go 'Noles!!
D. Head

p.s.  Kevin D., you're right; Carolina will eat FSU alive on the boards
without Andre Reid's height in the middle.  We need Reid's size!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert W. Quesal)
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Indiana
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:40:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.183149.20561@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>I can't wait to see what happens here during the tourney.  Let me clue you
>all in on the best kept secret around:  ITS ONLY A GAME!  But since I know
>what fun it is to tease rivals, I guess we can let this one go...  For your
>BP's sake tho, do try to relax.

Tell this to the fans at Carver-Hawkeye Arena, the writers in the Des
Moines Register, the TV announcers, etc. 

BQ

-- 
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Western Ill. U.                   mfrwq@ecnuxa.bitnet
                                  R-Quesal@bgu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: NCSU at Davidson
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


Anyone know how this one went?  Hopefully NCSU was able to at least keep this
one from getting away!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Subject: Re: Duke-Oklahoma Game Summary
Originator: zmed0b@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:43:27 GMT


>Interesting that you pretty much never see this kind of crap on the
>court at the "classy" programs, King Rice notwithstanding.

>Teams with these "showboaters" always seem to get theirs in the end.

And I suppose that Duke has never showboated.  You're just upset because
they weren't scared of your team and showed it.  I thought it was great.
Like it or not, it was the first time anyone had come within 9 points of
Duke at home.  And whatever it takes to get fired up is okay by me.  The
guy is only 19 years old.  Take a laxative or something.


>By the way, I saw the game later on ESPN, and you didn't catch the half
>of it on TV.  Hamilton wasn't playing against five Duke guys, he thought
>he was playing against 9,319 Duke guys.  Custer would shudder at those
>odds.

It was also the first time in quite a while that those 9,319 duke people
were that quiet.  
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Picks and Screens, please???? Re: Biased Fans
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 11:27:32 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1ifqk6INNqm0@shelley.u.washington.edu>, crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>There are two common varieties of illegal screens that I can think of.
....
>the step-screen, where a defender "sets" a screen, and then tries to make
>the screenee take even more steps by taking small steps to force an even
>longer route around the screen. 

I've seen the screener take a pivot step and get away with it.

Also, the back-screen, where the screener sets-up right behind
the player.  Is this illegal or has this been changed again?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: BYU-UTAH PREGAME
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:00:11 -0700

OK, now, like I just got back from the BYU New Mexico game (BYU by 14)
and, like, I saying to myself, if BYU plays like this against Utah they
are goin' to loose!

They gave away three point shots left and right!  Fortunately, New
Mexico was simply average from beyond 19'9".  

With Philip Dixon, Joshua Grant, Mr. Wright, Wilson, Soto popping off
from 19'9" BYU is going to be in trouble come Saturday!  Even at their
place.

Hey, like wow, the thought just came to me!  Maybe BYU can play man to
man against the shorter Utes!!!  Forget the matchup stuff!  Make Utah
beat you underneath. 

Utah's secret for winning...Josh lures opponents to sleep with that laid 
back "white men can't jump or shoot" look and then burns them with points, 
assists and rebounds.

Question...why can't anyone block that underhanded scoop layup of Soto.
I mean, it starts at the defenders kneecaps at travels at least eight
feet up after leaving his hands????? 

BYU will win if:

They pound the inside on offense (take it to The Block and raise Cain).

They play intense man to man defense.
...or....
They play an intense diamond and one (on Mr. Joshua).
...or...
They play an overbearing triangle and three defense (think anyone
will notice the extra guy?)

They manage to outscore Utah in the final 40 minutes...

arthur

Go Cougs!!!
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Tech over Duke by 1!
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:47:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I was priviledged enough to go to this game and it turned out to be a 
dandy.  Duke has to be the best free-throw shooting team in the country.
I think Hurley was 4-7, but everyone else combined had maybe two misses.
Personally, that block on Hurley looked clean to me, but I'm more than a
little biased, did CBS show a replay of it?  I thought that if he had meant
to hurt Hurley, Hurley would have been taken to a hospital.  There was an
oppurtunity for serious injury there and its good that Hurley was able to
come back.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Mackey bit Hurley, too
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:20:49 GMT


I've just seen some footage from CBS that they didn't show during the
telecast Sunday.  In this footage, in super-duper slo-mo, you can see
that Mackey:

   a) pulls a set of brass knuckles out of his uniform
   b) pop Hurley with the brass knuckles
   c) bite Hurley on his way to the ground
   d) put the brass knuckles back into his uniform



Clearly, this was an attempt by Mackey to cause permanent and serious
injury to Bobby.


In a yet to be published interview, Coach Krzyzewski blames the loss on
Mackey, saying, "Mackey hit Bobby so hard, Bobby thought he was Michael
Jordan, which was why he was trying to do it all at the end of the game."

Executives at Coca-Cola, Nike, and McDonalds all deny that Hurley called
them Monday morning, wanting to know when his next commercial shoot was.

Additionally, Mackey has received offers from the WCW and the WWF to join
their prime-time circuit.




Curtis Hill
star3%chill@mcnc.org


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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: Italo-Amer. coaches
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:14:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


I could use a little input for something amusing that a friend of mine
is putting together for fun. Among the mythical sports "awards" that he 
wants to proclaim is the All-Guinea Basketball Coaches Team. (Hey, don't
get all upset about the slightly off-color label, my friend is Italian,
and it's HIS idea, and it's just for jokes anyway.) All Italian-American
basketball coaches, college or pro (....I'll bet that just irks the hell 
out of you who people voted to split up the basketball newgroups....GOOD!).

So far, we've come up with:

    Lou Carnesecca
    Rollie Massimino
    P.J. Carlesimo
    Rick Pitino
    Ernie DiGregorio (didn't he coach for a while?)
    Tony Barone
    Dick Versace
    Jim Valvano
    Dick Vitale
    John Calipari
    
Any other nominees?
                                            -stuart@apollo.hp.com
From: srt@aero.org (Scott Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:31:57 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: Gamera Hardaway is POY.

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>The kid who surprised me the most was Drew Barrymore. Bloodlines, I
>suppose.  Very poised for anyone, much less a freshman.

What's all this about Drew Barrymore playing college basketball?  I
saw her little naked bod on the cover of Interview magazine and while
I must say I enjoyed the sight I don't think she really has the
physique to handle a season of NCAA basketball.  Especially guarding
guys like Bobby Hurley.

But I have to agree with Jeff about her bloodlines.  It's surprising
how many first-class actors have also been great basketball talents.
Of course everyone knows that Jack Nicholson was a small forward at
Michigan State years and years ago, but how many people know that Al
Pacino was a starter for CUNY?  Somone (Steve Chapin?) posted the
whole list not too long ago.

					-- Scott T.