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From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:21:49 GMT

In article <91883@bu.edu> manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes) writes:
>
>My understanding (from my "personal trainer" at Bally's, for those of
>you who care) is that for optimum fitness you should:
>*do aerobic exercise at least 15 min countinuously every day
>*do weight training every other day at most

Your personal trainer's bias is showing.

Light aerobic exercise can be done daily (e.g., your skating to
work or me riding my bike), but you can push your aerobic workouts
to the point where you should alternate days.

For instance, I've been riding my bike every other day at lunch.
No big deal, until you remember that most of my hour ride is on
the wide shoulder of an inter-urban highway -- I'm averaging close
to 20 mph. My goal next week: 75 minutes in transit.  (Unfortunately
that takes me to the other city, and intraurban traffic is quite
a bit slower, even removing time spent at traffic signals).

There are two points to remember:

1) You lose a _lot_ more fat with sustained exercise.  It takes ~20
   minutes of sustained exercise to burn off your blood sugar and
   gycol (?, stored in liver) before your body will start to directly
   metabolize fat.  Shorter exercise only has a secondary effect
   (you reduce the amount of 'stuff' available to put into fat cells).

   This doesn't mean shorter exercise isn't worth it; just that
   sustained exercise is required to directly metabolize fat.

2) You can still get "weight training" benefits and effects in
   "aerobic" exercise.  If you doubt me, try sprinting in traffic
   when the light turns green.  (I actually out-accelerate the
   cars until I hit my top-end, much to the annoyance of pick-up
   drivers :-).

   It's not a great upper-body workout, but trying to keep a bike
   semi-upright while you're accelerating all-out does require some
   strength.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: roller skates
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:17:20 GMT

In article <28JUL199222330089@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY) writes:
>Hi!
>	It sure sounds like roller skating could be lots of fun but I'ld like
>to know how they are on bumpy roads.  Do you have to use them on sidewalks
>(concrete) and bike path type places or is it possible along the side of a 
>road?
>
It is lots of fun.  Especially if you don't fall.  And that's way I like a
rink better.  However, until I was old enough to work and had my own money
to go to the rink I just skated on sidewalks.  You can skate on anything
that will work.  But sidewalks are the best.  They are generally smoother
and safer than streets, etc.  You can skate anywhere you can roller blade.

They have lots of knee, elbow, etc guard pads so sidewalk skating is a lot
less dangerous.  Or so I've been told.  It's been years since I've done
any.  But I'm sure going to try it real soon.


Good Luck.  Keep up the good work, and the lbs down.

Fran Peterson

F [:)

"Think Slim, Be Slim"

"I like myself unconditionally"

"I made it through yesterday, I'm making it through today, I'll make it
  through tomorrow"


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From: abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal)
Subject: support!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:26:31 GMT

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  Margot,
     Keep up the good work!  Don't get discouraged!  I'm having the same
problem - I lost 5 pounds in 5 weeks on WW (a slow rate but at least it
is coming off - I have to weigh in today and I have a feeling that I am
staying at the same weight).  My problem is that I don't have that much
to lose - about 10 more pounds is my goal.  So I pretty much started in
the place where most people start slowing down.  Let's try and support
each other.
  I think everyone can use extra support anyway.
       Happy dieting,
                Liana
From: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Fat Substitue(s) ??
Date: 29 Jul 1992 23:47:30 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
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In article <SHAFER.92Jul25144827@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

On 25 Jul 1992 19:37:23 GMT, veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov) said:

In article <111840003@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com> amy@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Amy O'Keefe-Hyser) writes:

Amy>  Has anyone heard any more on the development of a fat substitute ?
Amy>  I think I heard it referred as 'Simpless' (spell ??).  I thought
Amy>  it was about to come out in products like ice cream, but I haven't
Amy>  seen it or heard more about it ...
 
EV> It is available in ice-cream.  I believe the correct spelling is
EV> 'simplesse'.  All major supermarkets carry it.  It comes in several
EV> flavors, including vanilla, chocolate, rocky road, etc.  Look for
EV> small blue containers.  If memory serves me well, some varieties
EV> also use NutraSweet.
EV
EV> Does anyone know if that substance is used in other products?
 
MS> Yes.  There's a line of reduced-fat cheese spreads that uses
MS> Simplesse.  They're pretty good, I think.  The brand is Kaukauna or
MS> Wisconsin or some such and they come in little plastic tubs in the
MS> deli section.  They have about half the fat of regular cheese spread.

I have checked the deli section of our local Lucky but could not find
any cheese spreads that use Semplesse.  Does anyone have any pointers?

	 Eugene
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Diet Pep 
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.221534.25690@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
>Has anyone heard of a product called Diet Pep.  Suppose to curb
>the appetite and boost energy?
>I've seen it in several health food stores and asked mine if I
>could copy the ingredients down.  
>It contains concentrated extracts from  Ma Huand and Kola Nut,
>plus Siberian Ginseng, Pugongying, Zingiber, Gymnema Sylestre,
>Pullulan, and Kelp.

The Chinese herb Ma Huang contains ephedrine, a sympathomimetic amine.
It is frequently used in pure form as an antiasthmatic and as a CNS
stimulant, a kind of poor-man's amphetamine.  Related drugs are
pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) the decongestant and phenylpropanolamine
(PPA), the active ingredient in Acutrim and Dexatrim.  Any of these
drugs can decrease appetite.  It's preferable to get a safe and
known dosage from a pill from the drug store rather than fooling
around with this stuff.

Kola nut contains caffeine.

>Also, have seen another product in health food stores refered to
>as Dieter's Tea. There's no explantion or info on the box and
>it's to expensive to buy just to read the info inside, if there
>is any.

It's the same Ma Huang herb.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried Hypnosis?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:51:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul27.200127.902@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
>I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried hypnosis to help them lose
>weight.  My grandmother stopped smoking years ago with the aid of
>hypnosis.  Would success be the same with weight loss?  
>
>Kathie
>
Hi Kathie!

I quit smoking with a ten dollar hypnosis tape. I smoked a pack a day
for about 15 years. It worked great!

A few years ago I listened to a tape by the same person for weight
loss and was quite successful losing about 15 lbs and sticking with my
excercise program,too! The thing that prevents me from using the tape
now is that it is one that relaxes you to sleep and then suggests
several things to a relaxed/sleeping mind ( God only knows what they
suggest!). I was single then, and now live with my honey. *He* is very
thin and I wouldn't want the tape to make him lose weight! :-)

I think I will call the company that makes the tapes,though , and see
if they have one that is not designed for bedtime use!


Thanks for reminding me of something that really worked for me at one
time!

rf


>
>-- 
>riggle@adobe.com
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:49:05 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul24.183311.214821@cs.cmu.edu> jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay) writes:
>So what I want to know is am I going to be overdoing it? I
>remember reading somewhere that you have to give your body a chance to
>recover after exercising, and so you should only work out every other
>day or something. Is that true, or is this some great myth spread by
>lazy people?

People who are weight training (i.e., working the muscle to the point
of failure) need to give their muscles a rest after working out (since
building muscle paradoxically involves breaking muscle down initially).  

People doing aerobic exercise do not need this type of rest.  I have been 
walking over 6 miles a day for the last 6 months (when I'm in town--for
some reason, I don't get it done when I'm not in the area).  I gave 
myself a day off (I only walked 3 miles :-) last week because I just 
started rowing, and that has been work! 

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: lgold@cds8952.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: TCBY and crabs
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Jul15.113518.8883@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1992Jul15.232805.16667@spdcc.com>
	<1992Jul16.110425.29658@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1992 10:00:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.110425.29658@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Jul15.232805.16667@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul15.113518.8883@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>>>>Right.  Please remember that there is no important dietary difference
>>>>between the sugars found in fruit juices and plain old white sugar or corn
>>>Isn't there some difference in how they affect blood sugar levels?
>>
>>It's not important in people who aren't diabetics.  The point is that

>And to people who are hypoglycemic....  Sounds like an
>important dietary difference to me..if there is a difference in
>how they affect blood sugar.  Can anyone answer this?  Also, how is
>a non hyper- or hypoglycemic person affected by blood sugar levels?

It's VERY different to hypoglycemics...like me.

I also notice the difference between Baskin-Robbins' "sugar-free"
products and other companies'.  I suspect they use some sort of
non-sucrose sweetener or maybe use sugar in the adjuncts (i.e.,
sugar-sweetened chips in the mint chip).

>>sugar is sugar regardless of where you find it.  When you talk about
>>"concentrated fruit juices", which are sometimes used as a sweetener,
>>you're talking about "concentrated sugar".  Foods sweetened with
>>fruit juices are not sugar-free.

They are if you're talking about sucrose or glucose/dextrose.  My body
reacts VERY differently to fruit-juice-sweetened items than to sugar-
sweetened stuff.

>I guess that calorie-wise glucose=dextrose=fructose etc, right?

Yup.

>But would you call an apple  or a potato "sugar-free"?  The point
>is, though, that products that have some form of sugar in them
>but call themselves "sugar free" often (maybe always?)
>have warnings to diabetics... so if that's your main concern
>look for that warning.   However, I think the main
>concern about the chocolate syrup that brought
> us here is the
>calories!  Sugar-free or not, what's it gonna cost us?

All *I* know is that I'M going to go to TCBY, and SOON! :-)

--Lynn
(who misses hot fudge sundaes)
P.S.--I found a place that does sugar-free chocolate cake!!!  Yahoo!
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From: CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Olives
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:14:03 GMT

In article <150pfnINNoa0@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, on 27 Jul 1992 12:16:55 GMT,
>
>I've been trying to find the nutrition info on olives.  I've always heard that olives
>were high in fat but, the other day I was told that black olives are not.  Can anyone
>shed any light?

Bowes and Church has the following entry:

Olives, pickled,ripe,greek style(salt cured, oil coated) - 10 medium
   24 g
   67 calories
  6.9 g fat
  0.4 g protein
  1.7 g carb
  631 g sodium

That's about 87% calories from fat.
  -- Chris Thomas (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Olives
Date: 27 Jul 1992 12:16:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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I've been trying to find the nutrition info on olives.  I've always heard that olives
were high in fat but, the other day I was told that black olives are not.  Can anyone
shed any light?


Thank you --


Tammy
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Yummy Banana/Mango Bread
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:14:34 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Just thought I'd share this with all of you.  I made it
last night, an adaptation of a recipe from rec.food.cooking.
(Sorry, no WW excanges.  I haven't figured them out.  Maybe
someone can help with that?)

Ingredients:

1 small mango (think I'll use a large one next time)
3 large very ripe bananas
3 eggs (To reduce fat even more, use 3/4 cup more milk or
	6 egg whites instead of 3 whole eggs)
1 cup (skim) milk (This was in lieu of 1 cup butter)
3/4 cup brown sugar (Original recipe called for 1-1/2 cups)
3 cups self-rising flour
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp ground cinnamon
1/4 tsp nutmeg
(raisins and walnuts -- I left these out)

Mash bananas, peel and puree mango, mix together.
In large bowl, combine milk and brown sugar.  Beat
eggs in one at a time.  Set aside

In another bowl, combine flour, salt, cinnamon, and nutmeg.
Alternately add banana/mango mixture and flour mixture
to milk/sugar mixture.  Stir until just combined.  (Then
fold in raisins and walnuts if you want them.)

Spray loaf pans with Pam (I greased lightly with butter because
I don't use Pam so I don't have it around), pour in batter,
bake at 350F for 50 - 60 min.  (I took mine out after 50 min.
and they're still pretty wet even though a toothpick came out
clean -- I'll leave them the extra ten min. next time.)
Makes 2 loaves.

Yummy, sweet (even with only 1/2 the sugar -- would probably
be too sweet otherwise) and low-fat.  (Adaptable to no-fat
by substituting for the eggs.)

Enjoy all!
You deserve it!

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
From: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:47:21 GMT
Reply-To: veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.82

In article <BryrEI.4LG@acsu.buffalo.edu> mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:
>(My message: (I was wrong about the olives, BTW)------>
 
    < most of the background is omitted >
 
>A mail message I received today (supposedly regarding what I said above):
 
    < the message received by Marie is omitted >
 
>	Anyone else get one?
>	If this was sincere, I apologize, but if not, let's get real here.
>	Solicitation by news or email is verboten.
>
>
>     		Let me know your thoughts,
>
>			Marie

Yep, I got the same message from Paul Pival today.  It came a few minutes
after I posted a totally unrelated message -- it was about ice-cream.
I decided to ignore it.

	 Eugene
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:59:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I got the e-mail,too, in response to my post regarding my mom's
stroke!

Kinda makes you think it is an automatic thing to anyone who posts,
doesn't it.

By the way, thanks for all your support. My mom is *much* better than
anyone would have suspected was possible. Don't stop praying, though,
cause I am trying an "intervention" ( similiar to what families of
alcoholics do to help alcoholics get treatment) with my parents to try
to convince them to attend OA, follow Dr.'s orders, follow a diabetic
diet and excercise.

I am sure it's gonna be wild!

rf

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From: pamhall@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Pamela Hall)
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:04:16 GMT


According to my computer program, the basic Dannon Low-Fat Muffins
have the following:
Calories:  122
Protein:  2.7
Carbs:  27.2
Fat:  0.3

% of calories from:
Protein:  8.9%
Carbs:  88.9%
Fat:  2.2%

Sodium:  161
Cholesterol:  1

This information is based on the basic recipe made with fresh blueberries
and 1 batch makes 12 servings...

So, while they are indeed "low-fat" they do have some calories!  I
generally have 1 low-fat muffin and 6 oz. of juice for breakfast each
morning.  I don't think it would be bad to use this type of muffin as
the low-fat muffin, so long as that was *all* you ate for breakfast adn
you didn't stop at MacDonald's on the way to work or anything!!!

Oh, BTW, the above stats were based on all the ingredients *except*
the baking soda!  Baking soda wasn't in my program, and I don't have
the correct books to look up all the info for baking soda.  I'll check
when I get home, and if it makes a big difference, I'll repost.
Pamela
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: need help getting back on track
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:54:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul23.234823.15961@midway.uchicago.edu> meh8@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I started dieting at the end of June and everything was going fine up until
>a week ago Tuesday.  I had lost 6 lbs, was staying around 1000 calories a
>day, and was very happy with my progress.  Well last Tuesday everything seemed
>to go to hell in a handbasket.  I realize that 99% of it was due to anxiety
>and stress.  However, now the anxiety-causing event is over and I still have
>not gotten back on track.  This is very discouraging and I feel myself falling
>into that ugly cycle of "eating more because I can't eat less" and I really
>need help.  Any motivation and/or advice which you can provide would be greatly
>appreciated.

I was discussing motivational problems with a friend and he claimed 
that quitting smoking was easier than losing weight because one simply
can't give up eating.  For some reason this sparked the realization for me
that one can take an approach to changing one's eating behaviors that says
'anything goes' with one exception: overeating.  In other words, abandon
the notion of achieving Dietary Perfection.  Abandon short term goals
(and the time from the end of June to today *is* short term in dietary
terms.)  Accept that eating is a necessary physiological process for
any living thing and that there's really nothing wrong with eating 
muffins (well, one muffin :-)) or whatever else you want to eat as 
long as you're not overeating.  

I personally think 1000 calories/day probably qualifies as a VLCD; isn't
700 calories/day considered about the absolute minimum someone should 
eat?  Why not pick a more reasonable target: say, 1500-1700 calories?
Isn't extreme undereating really as aberrant in physiological terms as
extreme overeating? Anyway who can keep it up?  Not me,  that's for
sure.  I've tried and it didn't work.  I'm not getting up on that
tightrope again.  It's too much of a drag to fall off.

Does it really matter how long it takes to lose the weight as
long as you keep at it consistently over the long term (i.e., years)
and try to generally live a healthy life?  The goal should be to be
*healthy*, not to be thin.  I guess what I'm really saying is that one
should form goals in terms of behaviors and not in terms of metrics
such as short term changes in body weight.  (A "no" answer to the
question "Am I overeating?" = success.) 

Does any of this make sense to anyone else?   
-- 
John Lundberg 
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: TCBY and crabs
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:26:48 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <15719@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>>I guess that calorie-wise glucose=dextrose=fructose etc, right?
>>But would you call an apple  or a potato "sugar-free"?  The point
>
>Potato(e)s are sugar free, as far as I know.  Apples have
>a bit of sugar in them, but not enough to cause too much trouble
>even for diabetics as long as they don't eat more than one.

But potatoes are supposedly higher on the glycemic index than
fructose (sugar in fruit).  So are cooked carrots.  My understanding
is that the higher on the glycemic index, the faster the body
converts the carbos to blood glucose.

I'm not sure how accepted this concept is, since as Steve would say,
it only matters to diabetics.  On the other hand, as the poster child
for the insulin-resistance camp :-), I wonder whether eating potatoes 
(the first food I ate coming off my VLCD) or other foods high on the 
glycemic index does matter to some non-diabetics, namely those the
Hellers call the "carbodyrate-addicted."

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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