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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:44:46 -0700
From:         Willis Johnson <willis@VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Printing with HP Deskjet 500
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I do not need to  activaaaate my printer assignment every time I enter
NB4//Lingua.  That all works fine.  I have been following the  Deskjet
thread and do have something to offer:  I called NBI BEFORE I bought my
HPIIIP and asked them what would be the best printer to use with Lingua.
They told me any of the HP laserprinters  would  be best, so long as I
bought at least 512K RAM.  They considered this the minimum required
to accomodate the  downloaded fonts.  I can think of no reason  why a
Deskjet with  128K should be able to  hold fonts which   require 512K
in a Laserjet.

I take it back.  If the fonts are bit mapped (as they are, I know, in
my old Epson Fx286e) they would take up more RAM  in a laser printer
than in an inkjet.  But still, I don't think the difference in  resolution
is that great.  Gurus?????

Willis
willis@violet.berklely.edu
From: pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul J. Bodin)
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Subject: Re: LBase
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:56:27 GMT
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Michael Dick writes:

> I just received the latest version of LBase which is supposed to export files
> to Lingua. So I loaded it up wrote some Duke Greek papyri texts to a file,
 went
> to LBase, openned the files, and voila gibberish (some Greek worked in in
> strange chunks). Anybody tried this yet? It worked all right under SLS and
> then I converted it to Lingua.  It seems LBase has trouble with the language
> deltas. I'd appreciate feedback.

Did you change your LBASE.CFG file to include the line "output
lingua"?

I have been using this feature for several weeks now with no problems
at all.  Both Greek and Hebrew output has been flawless, as far as I
could tell.  Note that there *is* a difference between "output lingua"
and "output nb" (or "output notabene", whichever it was), which is
very important.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki, Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Re: Orbis problems
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ACCENTED CHARACTERS:
Itamar pointed out to me that Orbis search window does accept
accented characters through this method:
 - insert the plain character
 - press F6
 - press the mnemonic for the type of accent you want
(such as u for umlaut, c for circumflex, r for scandinavian ring).
This is clumsy compared with entering the character pressing the
key that is dedicated to it (and clumsier than the alt-? method)
but evidently allows Boolean searches (if I only knew what is NOT
in an Orbis search string!)

TRANSFER OF FOUND ITEM
Itamar, you can use the normal DEFINE commands to set apart the
text you want to bring back to your edit window, then move
to that window (at least Alternate Window works) and copy it.

j-p takala
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Subject: Re: I.F.S.
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:05:21 GMT
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Please email me the IFS info(tools, theory, etc) or direct me to a anonymous FTP
 site where I could get it.

Thanks,
Jose Cordones
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:35:00 PDT
From:         GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Purpose of Frac-L

        I agree that the list should be constrained to the technical
aspects of fractal geometry, with a lesser amount of space going to
questions as "How do I get my Acme computer to do XYZ".
        Now that I have your attention, I am looking for a 1965 Mustang
convertable with a clean body...    And about that Clinton guy...

Joe Gladstone>

BTW, I am very impressed with Fractint 17.2 limited edition.  Great interface,
slick programming, readable helpful help, formula compiler, help compiler,
etc.  And all without spec writers, managers, marketers, etc.  And it's free!
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:48:20 GMT
From:         Alexander Dyas <alexdy@COGS.SUSX.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: General Computer Stuff......

RE: grabbing colour screens on IBM compat.

Have you tried any of the various PD screen grabbers available from the
NPDSA achive at Lancaster Poly (address uk.ac.lancs.pdsoft on JANET).
I have downloaded some pretty neat stuff from here, so if you are able to
log on, have a go

alex........
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:22:17 LCL
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From:         GCAZ0233@GRTHEUN1.BITNET
Subject:      any news about fractint v18 yet ??

i've got fractint v 17.2 , and i wonder whether v 18 has been released yet.
i hadn't read the list for a long time...
greg.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:04:56 -0400
From:         FAVERGEO@FRESE51.BITNET
Subject:      IFS : the algorithm for ferns.

Here is the algorithm for creating ferns:

program IFS(input,output);
Trac de fractales selon la thorie IFS
Par FAVERGEON CHRISTOPHE

const
  L=600;
  nmax=20000;
  nw=4;
  T=300;

var
  evttime : unsigned;
  X,Y,I : integer;


var
  a,b,c,d,e,f,p : array[1..nw] of real;
n : integer;
r,s : real;
j : integer;
xa,ya,xb,yb : real;

begin
  InitGraph(20,20,L,L);
  SetWindowName('Fougere');
  SetForeGround(black);
  FillRectangle(0,0,L,L);
  SetForeGround(white);
  Matrices de l'IFS
  a[1]:=0;
  b[1]:=0;
  c[1]:=0;
  d[1]:=0.16;

  a[2]:=0.85;
  b[2]:=0.04;
  c[2]:=-0.04;
  d[2]:=0.85;

  a[3]:=0.2;
  b[3]:=-0.26;
  c[3]:=0.23;
  d[3]:=0.22;

  a[4]:=-0.15;
  b[4]:=0.28;
  c[4]:=0.26;
  d[4]:=0.24;



  e[1]:=0;
  f[1]:=0;

  e[2]:=0;
  f[2]:=1.6;

  e[3]:=0;
  f[3]:=1.6;

  e[4]:=0;
  f[4]:=0.44;

  p[1]:=0.01;
  p[2]:=0.85;
  p[3]:=0.07;
  p[4]:=0.07;




  n:=0;
  xa:=0;
  ya:=0;
  while n<nmax do
  begin
    r:=rnd;
    s:=0;
    i:=1;
    while (r>s) and (i<=nw) do
    begin
      s:=s+p[i];
      i:=i+1;
    end;


    i:=i-1;
    xb:=xa*a[i]+ya*b[i]+e[i];
    yb:=xa*c[i]+ya*d[i]+f[i];
    xa:=xb;
    ya:=yb;
    if (xa+T>=0) and (ya>=0) and (xa+T<=L) and (ya<=L) then
       DrawPoint(T+trunc(50*xa),L-trunc(50*ya));
    n:=n+1;
  end;

  Message('Le calcul est fini (enfin !)');
  FlushMouseEvents;

  WaitUntilMouseDown(X,Y,evttime);
end.

I must explain a little what are a,b,c,d,e,f,p.
Suppose you want to create a picture L on the screen of your computer.
If you have some affine transformations of the euclidian plane which
are contractive mappings (that is to say that abs(det) <1) (w1,...wn) you
create
the mapping W so that : W(B)=w1(B) union ... union wn(B).
First result : W is a contractive mapping.
Second result: The sequence W(B), W o W(B),W o W O W(B) ... has a limit A.

And the collage theorem says that:
if W(L) is a good approximation of L then A will be one too.
So, if you want to create L on your screen you will just have to find out
the affine transformations which cap L (w1(L) union ... union wn(L) must
cap L). And these transformations must be contractive mappings.

So, when you will have found out a W so that W(L) is not very different from
L you will only have to use this W in the algorithm.
a,b,c,d describe the linear part of the affine transformations:
a b
c d.

e
f  is the translation vector.

p is a probability ! Indeed, with p you can change the density of points.
In genreral, pi must be proportionnal to abs(det(wi)).
If you take s=sum from 1 to n of abs(det(wi)) then pi=abs(det(wi))/s.

For more information see the book of Michael Barnsley : FRACTAL EVERYWHERE.
Springer-Verlag I think.

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From: DAVID1@VAXA.MIDDLESEX.AC.UK
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Subject: RE: FRAC-L NOTES, Part 1
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:05:00 GMT
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Ermel - thank you very much for putting so much effort into supporting
FRAC-L list - your NOTES very useful.
Regards David Walter Middlesex Uni LONDON UK
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:00:10 EDT
From:         Karl Plunkert <R3KJP@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Par files

Does anyone out there know if there is a collection of par files for fractint
that I could FTP.  Some of the ones that I have seen have been quite stunning.
Thank you for your assistance.



                                    Serially,
                                       Karl Plunkert
                                       R3KJP@akronvm
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Subject: Re: PAR files
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:55:11 GMT
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              11 Oct 1992 16:44:31 PDT from <mfreeman@UNIXG.UBC.CA>

Thanks a million for the par files.  They were very interesting
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:24:50 +0800
From:         ysgou@JENNY.NCTU.EDU.TW
Subject: Re: Purpose of Frac-L

Hi! I completely agree with Jose'.

And I suggest "Serg" use ACSOFT-L@WUVMD.BITNET.

Thank you.

T.H. Yang
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Date: 9 Oct 92 13:14:09 GMT
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>From:
>     Does anybody know what is wrong with the FRCALDMO.ZIP and
>FRCAL030.ZIP ? I ftp from two different sites and unZIP it, but
>unZIP warned me and no files was created.  Is there any other
>site I can ftp these files without encountering this situation?

This depends upon the version of PKunzip you are using.  I have found that many
people have been uploading files zipped with the beta test version of the latest
Zip; unfortunately, the older unzip has no idea how to handle these zips -- in
fact, its response _is_ "don't know how to handle...".  If this is the problem
you are having, track down the beta version.  I currenly keep both on my system,
with the beta programs renamed nPK*.exe.

Hope this helps.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 08:24:54 -0600
From:         RSILVER@LANL.BITNET
Subject:      fractal newsletter #28

I publish a newsletter about fractals called Amygdala (29 issues so
far) which you may be interested in. Email me your paperMail address,
and I'll send you an information packet.

Here is my column "In This Issue..." from the latest issue:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
In This Issue (#28)
Robert Hill's "Oddball Functions" is a commentary on a series of
slides he sent to Amygdala three years ago, four of which constitute
the current slide set (#28). This represents an earlier stage in Bob's
work than Dithering As A Shading Technique, which appeared in Amygdala
#27.
Ian Entwistle's "Julia Set Mappings with Decomposition" is an
application to Julia sets, both conventional and unconventional, of a
"decomposition" image-banding technique first discussed in "The Beauty
of Fractals" (I believe). It is a special case (n=2) of the n-ary
banding technique discussed by John Dewey Jones in "Decomposition:
They Went Thataway -- Another Way Of Viewing The Object" (Amygdala #13,
pp 2-3), and nicely illustrated in slide A214 from slide set 13 and
A209 from S15.
Carl Guthrie's "Complex Dimensions" arose from an idea of Carl's that,
just as the two-dimensional set of complex numbers are an extension of
the one-dimensional real numbers resulting from the inclusion of
sqrt(-1), that the complex numbers themselves could be extended to
higher dimensional number spaces by adjoining sqrt(i), sqrt(sqrt(i)),
and so on. Alas! this idea founders on the hard fact that the complex
numbers are algebraically closed: sqrt(i), sqrt(sqrt(i)), etc. are
themselves complex numbers, and do not generate higher-dimensional
analogs.
As often happens, however, Guthrie's idea produced interesting
results even though its mathematical underpinnings are flawed.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

If you're interested, I can supply an index of ALL issues (#0-28).

Contributions for possible publication in Amygdala are welcome:
Articles, reviews, bibliographic entries, color slides, ...

--Rollo Silver <rsilver@lanl.gov>
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Date: 14 Oct 92 03:33:00 GMT
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Dear Studs:

        I have been writing some simple PDE programs lately, and I have
been using greyscale colors 16 - 31 (IBM 256 color mode) as sort of a
contouring algorithm.  The pictures on the screen look fine, but when I
capture them and try to print them out, most of the information is gone.
i.e. instead of 16 shades of grey, there is now only B&W.  I have tried
word perfect "grab," and "graflasr" to no avial.  Any suggestions
would be appreciated.

        Also, if anyone out there knows the secret of life, any hints
would be greatly appreciated!

                                          Michael D. Aesoph
                                University of Pittsburgh - Johnstown

P.S.    This is now my only list after suffering a mid-senior-term
crisis.  I cleaned out my account in a fit of depression and anger.
For those of you who have had to put up with my ignorant questions
on more than one list, that is now over!!!!
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:30:00 DST
From:         "Stefano Pini ST Agrate ++39,39,6035862" <PINI@AGRCAM.ST.IT>
Subject:      Help me for FTP...

Hello someone. This is the my first time that I write to FRAC-L.
I've a problem when I try to download a file from FTP server.
I send this message to "FTPmail@DECwrl.dec.com":

> connect WUARCHIVE.WUSTL.EDU
> BINARY
> UUENCODE
> get /mirrors/msdos/windows3/wins1726.zip
> QUIT

and this is the answer:

> --- connecting to wuarchive.wustl.edu...
> Connecting to wuarchive.wustl.edu
> 220 wuarchive.wustl.edu FTP server (Version 6.40 Fri Oct 2 07:59:13 CDT 1992)
 ready.
> --- logging in as user=anonymous password=ftpmail/PINI@AGRCAM.ST.IT...
> ---> USER anonymous
> 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
> ---> PASS <somestring>
> 230-  This is an experimental FTP server.  If your FTP client crashes or
> 230-  hangs shortly after login please try using a dash (-) as the first
> 230-  character of your password.  This will turn off the informational
> 230-  messages that may be confusing your FTP client.
> 230-
> 230-  This system may be used 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  The local
> 230-  time is Sat Oct  3 00:09:51 1992.
> 230-
> 230-  Wuarchive is a DECstation 5000 Model 240.  Thanks to Digital Equipment
> 230-  Corporation for their support of Wuarchive.
> 230-
> 230-Please read the file README
> 230-  it was last modified on Mon Mar  2 08:29:25 1992 - 215 days ago
> 230-Please read the file README.NFS
> 230-  it was last modified on Tue Jul  7 14:11:22 1992 - 88 days ago
> 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
> ---> TYPE A
> 200 Type set to A.
> --- getting file (/mirrors/msdos/windows3/wins1726.zip)...
> ---> TYPE I
> 200 Type set to I.
> ---> PORT 16,1,0,19,14,42
> 200 PORT command successful.
> ---> RETR /mirrors/msdos/windows3/wins1726.zip
> 550 /mirrors/msdos/windows3/wins1726.zip: No such file or directory.
> Failure on RETR command
> !!! get failed
> ---> (end of ftpmail session)

Where is the problem?
I think that's all right but...
Thank's in advance.

STEFANO PINI
Politecnico di Milano Department of Electronic Engineering
ST Sgs-Thomson Agrate R&D Technology System Engineer
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From:         ARTEMIS@CTI.ANSP.BR
Subject:      Re: PAR files

        Hello, Mike Freeman.
        I would like to obtain a PARPAR file.
        Thank you,
                                Artemis Moroni
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From:         Michael Freeman <mfreeman@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
Subject:      Re: PAR files
              92 8:44 pm

>
> Why don't you ftp it up to wuarchive.wustl.edu if possible.  I could grab it
 fr
> om there.  Thanks for your response.
>
>
>
>                                            Karl Plunkert
>                                            r3kjp@akronvm
>
OK - I have sent PARPAR.ZIP to /pub at wuarchive.wustl.edu
Two notes: you'll need the usual DOS unarchiving utility PKUNZIP to decompress
it, and if you are using an 8514 type video adapter, you'll need to change
the .BAT files to use video mode CF1 instead of SF7. (Default assumes a
normal supervga 1024 X 768 X 256)
                           - Mike Freeman -
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From:         "(Keith H. K. Chow)" <keith@UXMAIL.UST.HK>
Subject:      Re: I.F.S.
              "FAVERGEO@FRESE51.BITNET" at Oct 8, 92 3:10 pm

>
> Is someone interested by the IFS theory which is a very powerful tool for
> creating Fractals on computers ? If it is the case ,I could give an algorithm
> which creates some beautiful ferns very fast.
>
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Hi,

        I am very much interested in IFS. Please send me your tools
if you are available.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Keith.
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Subject: I want to signoff
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:53:08 GMT
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How can I unsuscribe the list FRACTAL?

Send me information about, procedures, commands, etc.

Thank you.

P.S. My name is Jose Galaviz.
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:49:52 -0400
From:         "(Cogito->Ergo Sum!?)" <cordones@MAYA.CS.NYU.EDU>
Subject:      Purpose of Frac-L

>[stuff deleted]
> Hi!
>
> Does somebody know something about a text editor that is called MultiEdit?
> It is American Cybernatics production. As far as I understand, it was
> designed in order to introduce something like Emacs into MS-DOS. It support
> many different applications, has intrinsic language (like Emacs), etc.
> I have V5.00p WITH me. May be someone uses this editor. I'm interested in
> a question is there any new version of MultiEdit, and is there a version
> for another operating systems (UNIX, VMS).
>
> If someone knows something about it, please, let me know.
> Thank you,
> 	Serge
> 	serge@gluttony.astro.unc.edu
>

Hi!

I would like to advise you about FRAC-L's purpose. For some time (I am
 relatively new, anyway) I have seen members of the list arguing about
 'charging' of the list (i.e.using the list for other topics). I think you
 should use FRAC-L less often to ask  questions of this type(I remember as many
 as five questions of this type from you). I do not mind too much but I think
 that there are more appropiate ways to get help on this kind of issues-Someone
 may be kind enough to suggest the name of the list that deals with that. I
 don't mind the ocassional question about something that is not (apparently)
 FRACTAL related but usually there turns out to be a connection between the
 question and some fractal project.
I would appreciate if other members of FRAC-L express their opinion about what I
 just stated.

Thank you,

Jose' Cordones
Honest...like a Formula
From: serge@GLUTTONY.ASTRO.UNC.EDU (Sergei Naumov)
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Hi!

Does somebody know something about a text editor that is called MultiEdit?
It is American Cybernatics production. As far as I understand, it was
designed in order to introduce something like Emacs into MS-DOS. It support
many different applications, has intrinsic language (like Emacs), etc.
I have V5.00p WITH me. May be someone uses this editor. I'm interested in
a question is there any new version of MultiEdit, and is there a version
for another operating systems (UNIX, VMS).

If someone knows something about it, please, let me know.
Thank you,
	Serge
	serge@gluttony.astro.unc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:20:38 -0400
From:         Joe Lombardo <C2MXLOM@FRE.TOWSON.EDU>
Subject:      Fractint via FTP

I was wondering if anyone else has had trouble running the
fractint downloaded via FTP.  When I try to run fractint
my system freezes.  If anyone has any insight to why this
may happen, I would be grateful for a reply.
                                        Thanks,
                                        Joe Lombardo
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:10:21 BOL
From:         "(Universidad Privada de Santa Cruz de la Sierra)" <upsa@UNBOL.BO>
Subject:      request info

 I would like to have some information  about
 What's a fractal ?

 Jaime Terrazas
 email : upsa@unbol.bo .
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