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From: WIM@ITC.NL (Wim Koolhoven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Tradukoj el la angla / Publika leciono
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:11:04 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:53 GMT+0200


Al: Gxan Uxesli Starling kaj aliaj interesatoj

Reagante al la tradukajxoj el la angla. Traduki estas malfacila arto,
do per cxi tiu reago mi esperas plibonigi la komunan lingvouzon.
En cxi tiu publika leciono mi nur donas kelkajn komentojn:

Royal = Regxa (ne Rojala)

Promenistoj, feriistoj: Cxu promeni kaj ferii jam estas profesioj?
Pli bone uzu la vortojn promenantoj kaj feriantoj.

Produktajxo: La vorto produkto suficxas.

"2,000 ekzemplerojn jam vendi^gis al entuziasmaj promenistoj kaj feriistoj."
		  X
 2000 ekzemplerojn vendis la ministerio.
 aux
 2000 ekzempleroj vendigxis far la ministerio.
 
antauxenema: Stranga vorto, cxu vi volas diri "progresema"?

Mi tute ne emas diri ion pri la kvalito de la origino, sed kial vi cxiam
subskribas per fivortumado kontraux kontrauxfundamentuloj? Cxu vi iomete
povas difini tiun vorton? Fakte uzi la reton por ekzerci la tradukarton
ne estas malbona, sed mi vere kontrauxas senutilan fikriadon.

Wim Koolhoven
<wim@itc.nl>
 
 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: AHMEDF@beloit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: zero
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:26:00 GMT

this is what happens when you miss reading scb for 1 day... when did this
conversation come up? and now that it has, i feel that i absolutely must
say something about it, since i'm writing a damned PAPER  on the subject.
YES, indeed the zero was invented by the "indians". there is some arguement
about whether or not the other numbers came from china or not, but the zero
was an indian conception. in fact, the english words "zero", "zephyr"
and "cipher" all come from the word "sunya" (the meaning of which all of us
should know, but for those of us who don't, it means void or without). this
led to the arabic word, "sifr" and eventually to the english word "zero".
one reason why people mis-believe (i don't care if there's no such word, crea-
tive writing majors have a tendency to make up their own) the fact that the
zero was invented by the arabs, simply because there was very little written 
down by our indian ancestors, until around 400-500 A.D. (when the arabs came
to india) (i forget the exact date). the way that this is conferred, is from
coins, and other artifacts that have been found from the era. but why should
you take only my word for it. i don't have the names of all my sources here,
but david eugene smith has written a number of books on the subject, (try
subject=ancient indian mathematics at your local card catalogue), and one
of the books that is the most help to my paper is a book called "hindu-
arabic numerals", whose author i've forgotten. if you like, i can give you
the authors, names, publishers etc of the sources i'm using presently. other
than these, there are a number of math reviews worth looking at.
good luck!
hasta--
Famin.
ps. i hope no one has forgotten that poila boishakh is coming up. 
SHUBHO NOBOBORSHO! :}
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mikail@eng.umd.edu (M. Mikail Shams)
Subject: City of Joy
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:13:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Distribution: usa

	I just saw an excellent movie yesterday.  Patrick Swayze stars in the movie 'City of Joy'.  The plot is based on the life of a rickshaw puller in the slums of Calcutta where Swayze is an American Doctor.  I read the book couple of years ago and this movie really brings to life some of the going ons in a thrid world country.  A MUST SEE Movie.

P E A C E 

Mikail Shams
From: ap38@lucy.umd.edu (Soe Myint Aung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Reuter News about Rohinger [UN Tour to Myanmar]
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:18:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: We Myanmar ! Organization [Youth], WMOY.

Following is a report from SEASIA-L newsgroup about Rohingers.
Nobody can cover the true with anything forever!
At last, true will be appear.

Falcon1.
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    Reuter, Bangkok, April 5 - Moslem leaders in northern Burma have
told a senior United Nations envoy that Burmese Moslem refugees flooding
to Bangladesh were not fleeing persecution at home but seeking relief
goods, official Burmese radio reported.
    Jan Eliasson, U.N. Under Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs,
met Moslem elders and imams in the village of Khamaungzeik during a
visit to areas near the Bangladesh border on Friday, state-run radio
said late on Saturday.
    "They explained that most of those who fled to the country on the
other side were landless labourers who went there after hearing reports
about distribution of relief goods," it said.
    "They said some of them who were disappointed have already
returned," the radio, monitored in Bangkok, said.
    Eliasson arrived in Burma on Thursday after a three-day visit to
Bangladesh where he visited 12 border camps in the southeastern town of
Cox's Bazar where refugees are sheltered.
    Moslems in Khamaungzeik told Eliasson that reports of persecution,
of mosques being burned down and Moslem women raped were untrue, the
radio said.
    "There are those who are organising innocent people in Moslem
villages and it is necessary to explain to the people about the
instigation to undermine regional solidarity," the radio quoted a
village headmaster as telling Eliasson.
    Eliasson returned to Rangoon on Saturday, the radio said.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ij21@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Does anyone know the league news?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:21:07 GMT


Does any one know the latest result of the Dhaka Football League? If 
so please post some results. Thank you.

Asif Ibrahim
IJ21@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Travel Agent for British Airways
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:27:52 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: British Airways

In article <1992Apr16.151643.21148@ee.rochester.edu> hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain) writes:
>I need the name and phone number of any travel agents that can provide 
>a good deal on British Airways. I would greatly appreciate an email 
>message on this topic. Thanks,
>
>Raza ( hossain@ee.rochester.edu ) 


	I have a long long list of many many travel agents. I think i got it 
from someone and it give all sorts of ratings and things like that. If you 
would like for me to send that to you.. just send me mail with your 
e-mail address and i will find the list and send it to you.
From: s0k5099@zeus.tamu.edu (KHAN, SHAHRIAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Recent Boimela
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>> 6. An all male procession was brought out under the banner of " Taslima
>> Nasreen Peshon Committee" demanding the punishment of the .. poet and a 
>> wellknown feminist. It was reported that she,in her recent article,
>> termed males as impotents.
> 
>Mygosh!  Are these male demonstrators so unsure of themselves that
>they anyone must be punished for challenging their ... potency?
>Bit of a psychological hangup, what?  
>Denis.

	A jolly good excuse to bring out a procession, what, eh? To keep the 
demonstrations going, and the slogans and the adrenalin flowing, what better 
cause is there than a threat to one's .. manhood?

Shahriar 
Texas A&M University
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jamaat's rise in power
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:45:02 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>
>AS FAR I KNOW THAT DURING THE WHOLE PERIOD OF ZIA GOVT. BANGLADESH WAS
>A PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC. EVEN NOW BANGLADESH IS NOT AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.
>I THINK DURING ERSHAD PERIOD, THE PARLIAMENT (ILLEGAL) MADE IT REPUBLIC
>OF BANGLADESH ( DROPPING PEOPLE'S AS IT SOUNDS SOCIALIST) AND DECLARED
>ISLAM AS A STATE RELIGION.

 	Being a Islamic Republic and being the Republic of Bangaldesh
doesn that make it an Islamic Republic?

>
>---Zakir
>
>
>
From: hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Travel Agent for British Airways
Keywords: British Airways
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:16:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

I need the name and phone number of any travel agents that can provide 
a good deal on British Airways. I would greatly appreciate an email 
message on this topic. Thanks,

Raza ( hossain@ee.rochester.edu ) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Who keeps Jamaat in power?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.152246.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr16.171652.24750@udel.edu>, kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
>> 
>> M. A. G. Osmani was the presidential candidate for a coalition of major
>> left-leaning opposition parties of Bangladesh. The parties included the
>> Awami League, CPB, NAP etc. Awami League was at that time led by Malek Ukil,
>> Toaha was still alive and leading CPB.
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>I think Toaha was leading a party named Sammabadi dal, not CPB and he was
>also elected in the parliament

Oops, the corrector himself needs correction. :) Thanks. Moni Singh was CPB's
leader. 

>> league participated as a coalition in the election. Wasn't Khan A. Sabur
>> their candidate?
>
>Yes, you are right. He also won the election. 

I was referring to the '78 presidential elections. Who was ML-IDL candidate
for president? My memory fails me.

Interesting thought: All the politicos of that era are deceased. Ziaur
Rahman, Abdul Malik Ukil, MAG Osmany, Moni Singh, Toaha, Khan A. Sabur,
Mashiur Rahman [Jadu Mia] etc..

>---Zakir

-- Zunaid H. Kazi
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Politics of Infiltration: Stop Labanonisation of Eastern India
Date: 10 Apr 1992 03:43:07 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <1992Apr9.210552.19330@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>Certainly, the Mughal empire was large, but would you really consider
>it equivalent to the modern concept of India?  How far south did the
>Mughal empires extend?  Indeed, was the south and the north ever
>united as a common "India" until the British came along?

	Actaully, yes. During King Ashoka's rule, he united almost all of 
india(A state at that time i suppose) which extended all the way to south 
india. I admit that the tip of 'south india' was not won but I thinkj
that was the first time there was a 'united India'. The Kalinga empire
was still in control of the southern tip. It was after that famous war
with the kalingas that Ashoka became a buddhist. So in a period of india's
history norht and south were as a common india. As far as the mughals ..
there emphasis was more northward. I will agree with you there that under 
the mughals a concept of india as a state didnt really exist.
 
>
>-- Shakil
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: It's kind of neet!!
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:47:21 GMT
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science

In article <1992Apr11.015501.1702@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> indhaka@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>SUBJECT: It's kind of neet!!
>  Well.. this is my first time in the bulletin...it's kind
>of interesting to read all the issues that are brought up here.
> Tell me one thing...why do you people spend most of your time in
>discussing Golam Azam issue? Do you think it's worth-while??

Well if you have anything "worthwhile" to discuss please bring it up.
Personally, I am interested on peoples opinions on Ghulam Azam whether
it's "worthwhile" or not. 
Saif
--
===========================================================================
You only get an honest opinion when it isn't paid for.

Saifuddin Ahmed
sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 775-5807

===========================================================================
From: kazi@ravel.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: The Petition and Trial
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:29:11 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


I have no qualms about retracting from my previous position and  agreeing 
with Shakil. Pre-empting any attempts to label me, as Shakil has been, as 
an apologist  for Jamaat and  Gholam Azam, I will make the following dis-
claimer:

   Netters familiar with my political should be  aware of my
   loathing for Jamaat/Azam and their ideology.

I have been amongst the first to jump on the petition band-wagon. A  hasty 
decision since I  tend to let  my rationality get clouded  by my emotions, 
especially when the issues relate to the Bangladesh's war for independence. 
I agree with Shakil  that calling  for Gholam  Azam's  hanging without due 
process of  law is simply a manifestation of "Lynch Mob Mentality". I apo-
logize for not having understood the import of Asif's posting.

I am in NO doubt that Gholam Azam is guilty of the crimes he is accused of. 
I have no  hesitation in calling for  his trial. And  since I am  confident 
that  that  he  WILL  be  found  guilty, I  will  be extremely  pleased and 
gratified that due punishment will be meted out  to this evil human  being. 
Nothing would make me happier.

BUT, I believe in due process, and we would be failing in our duty to those 
who died for our country if we do not seek justice by legitimate means.What 
we should demand is  a trial  for all those  war criminals who  are roaming 
free in Bangaldesh and elsewhere. First and foremost amongst them is Gholam 
Azam.

However I disagree with Shakil on his views about the "Mock trial". Knowing 
the state of Bangladesh's  politics,  with both  Awami League and  the BNP, 
kowtowing  to Jamaat  for narrow political  gains, I believe  the trial was 
necessary. Without the trial, and the  astounding support it received, I do 
not think our main-stream political parties would ever have shaken off their 
inertia and taken action against these traitors. 

-- Zunaid
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       Zunaid H. Kazi            302-456-3493          kazi@cis.udel.edu
   * BANGLADESH ZINDABAD * JOY BANGLA * BANGLADESH ZINDABAD * JOY BANGLA *
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From: 88320@LAWRENCE.EDU (David Gilmour !!!!!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Test - please ignore ...
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:37:00 GMT

This is a test ...
From: rais@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Abdur Rais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Treatment of Minorities in Bangladesh
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:05:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr14.202326.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:
>[...deleted]
>In Bangladesh there were no Hindu-Muslim riot after 1952 and the assault of
>Mollahs by Hindus or assault of shadu by Muslims never occured.
>[...deleted] 
>---Zakir

Your claim is incorrect; I recall instances of riots in the 60's but
I can't recall the specifics. (It shouldn't be hard to dig them out;
perhaps some other netters will enlighten.)

A minor but important point: It is indeed difficult to see traces of bigotry
in bigger cities that are often overt in smaller towns and rural areas.
Abdur
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:2543 soc.culture.pakistan:6734 soc.culture.indian:14852
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Prejudiced eyes (was: london and the mai'm)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:08:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr17.200841.18659
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	Boy, these groups are incendiary! The master of sarcasm comes up
	with yet another funny article and people are at each other's
	throats!! We all need some sense of humor.		- Nagarajan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: It's kind of neet!!
From: indhaka@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:55:00 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

SUBJECT: It's kind of neet!!
  Well.. this is my first time in the bulletin...it's kind
of interesting to read all the issues that are brought up here.
 Tell me one thing...why do you people spend most of your time in
discussing Golam Azam issue? Do you think it's worth-while??
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Satyajit Ray Films
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:17:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: exodus.ktvk6uINNj6q
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

For the benefit of those who have requested more information
regarding the Ray films in the San Francisco Int'l Film Festival,
here is their schedule, culled from the Festival brochure:

Movie		Time		Day	Date	Venue	Code

Charulata	7:00 PM 	Thu	4/23	PFA	423F
Charulata	7:30 PM 	Tues	5/5	KAB	505H
Pather Panchali	2:30 PM		Sat	4/25	KAB	425D
Pather Panchali	12:00 Noon	Wed	5/6	KAB	506B
Aparajito	12:30 PM	Sun	4/26	KAB	426B
Aparajito	2:30 PM		Wed	5/6	KAB	506G
The Visitor	1:15 PM		Sat	5/2	KAB	502D
The Visitor	9:15 PM		Mon 	5/4	LPA	504P
The World of Apu4:00 PM		Sun	5/3	KAB	503F
The World of Apu4:45 PM		Wed	5/6	KAB	506G
Devi		6:45 PM		Thu	5/7	KAB	507F

Venue: 	PFA is Pacific Film Archive, 510-642-1124, 2625 Durant, Berkeley
	KAB is AMC Kabuki 8 Theatre, 415-931-FILM, 1881 Post Street, SF
	LPA is Landmark Theatres, Palo Alto, 415-493-2615, no address given

Tickets: Tickets for all shows can be purchased in advance from BASS
and ticketmaster. Charge by phone (415) 762-BASS. Note that they will 
add on $2.50 on top of the $7.00 price for each ticket. Another alternative 
is to buy from Kabuki Theatre which will be selling tickets for all shows. 
A third method is to mail order, but you need the form that is in the 
brochure. I picked up my copy from a bin in front of Printers Inc bookstore, 
California Ave, Palo Alto. Call (415) 931-FILM for more information.

I suggest getting a copy of the brochure to check out all the
alternatives, as well as the (admittedly generous) commentaries
on the movies. BTW, The Visitor in Agantuk in Bengali.

From past experience at the Festival, advance purchase is highly
recommended.

Enjoy,

- Ihtisham Kabir
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Golam Azam issue :We should have the whole picture in front of us
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:32:22 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

In article <1992Apr11.132554.895@desire.wright.edu>, fahmed@desire.wright.edu writes:
> I just want to add two points to the current issue of Golam Azam.
> The first one is about the 'Gana Adalat'. We want punishment 
> for those who opposed the Liberation war of '71. But the thing 
> is that, we, in no way can take resort to any unconstitutional way
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> for that.

> Farid Ahmed


' Gana Adalat' or the mock trail is not unconstitutional or illegal.
It will be illegal if they want to implement the verdict of the
gano adalat.The organizers are not doing that or they has no intention
to do it in the future. What they want is the action against the
war criminal by the govt.

Aculally 'Gano Adalat' is a form of protest.

---Zakir
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bihari Massacre and 71 war
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:18:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcc01.24350005
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

> From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:22:14 GMT
> Date-Received: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:17:22 GMT
> Subject: Re: Bihari Massacre and 71 war
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
> References: <24350004@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
> Lines: 34
> 
Naeem write:

> To my memory, no Bengali on scb has EVER tried to justify the killings of the
> Biharis. The reason they are mentioned infrequently is because we are FIRST
> and foremost concerned with the injustice done to our people. 
> 
> I am not trying to justify the actions against Biharis, but 3 million 
> Bengalis were killed, how many Biharis were killed? Numbers do not trivialize
> the atrocious murder of a Bihari, but they do give an indication of whether
> it was a widespread phenomenon in 1971.
  
  
  Mentioning infrequently is differnet than not mentioning at all.  I don't
  recall any posting where you mentioned the killings of Biharis.  Assuming
  you try all of your war criminals, are you willing to try those Bengali
  so called freedom fighters who committed attrocities against Non-Begalis
  and living a life of heroes.  You talk about justice.  What kind of justice
  you are talking about - justice to apease you or justice for all? I will
  say try everyone you can get your hands on or whoever is in your reach, and
  do include people who committed crimes against Non-Bengalis. If you are
  really for Justice then do a justice or call it a revenge.


  I will post a brief description of killings of Biharis done by EPR,EBR,
  Awami League etc.

> 
> 
>
I wrotes: 

>>     And lastly to Mr. Naeem, Wasi, Zunaid and others - while you are
>>    condemning the act of Pakistan Army, and do count me in, also do a justice
>>    to those innocent Biharis got killed by your heroes.  Don't pretend that
>>								^^^^^^^
>>    nothing happened to Non-Bengalis before and after independence.  
>> -----------
>>
Naeem wrote:

> I have never pretended that Biharis were not killed. Neither to my knowledge 
> have any of the other Bengalis mentioned.
> 

  Agreed! but you never mentioned either.  It looks like you are picking
  only what fits your need. Your posting does indicate your hatred towards
  Non-Bengalis (of then East & West Pakistan) as well as Pakistan.

  Regards
  Tanwir Syed
> --
> Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993