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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: QUEBEC SIGN LAW
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:56:52 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1810

From article <754.7.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>, by jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol) :
> Can anyone tell me if the Quebec sign law only discriminates
> against English signs?  English words are not allowed on the outside
> of stores.  Does it also apply to other languages.
> For example in Montreal do Chinese stores have chinese lettering.
> The same goes for Japanese, Hispanic, Spanish etc.
> Can minority languages other than English be put on signs in Quebec?
> 

I don't have the text of the law in front of me but it says that
signs must not have any language other than French.

The Quebec language police and a number of notorious vigilante groups
concentrate on English signs but there are a few cases of "other"
languages, too.

In one instance, a viennese pastry shop had the word "Hello" painted
on his shop window in about 20 different languages - he has been
dragged through the courts. The Quebec Government Tourist Board,
however, put up signs last summer saying "Welcome" in many languages
(including English!) with apparent impunity.

One solution, once receiving one's "notice" from Quebec's language police,
is to sell the sign to the "CIT-CAN" foundation who will lease the
advertising space and add the words "Before Bill 101, this sign was legal.
Vote to make it legal again" to the sign. The sign can then remain in
place under a loophole in the law regarding "ideological" messages. (Until
some "vandal" puts a brick through it or tears it down! :-( )

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.general,ns.general
From: earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard)
Subject: Re: Lead news stories...
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:48:45 GMT

In article <Bz28yG.Fpv@cs.dal.ca> legrady@ug.cs.dal.ca (Tom Legrady) writes:
>franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>[something irrelivant to my comment]
>
>I don't have much use for the Crown, but I would rather have Queen
>Elizabeth (or her representative, the Governor General) as my head of
>state, than Brian Mulrooney.

You'd rather see someone appointed rather than someone elected as
head of state?  Or just anyone besides the old Brimeister?

And let's not get Steve on that Brian kick again, cauze he'll blow
a seam again.

:) for the humorly challeneged.

Marcus.
-- 
__
Mark Earhard -      earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca -       05marcus@ac.dal.ca
Reclaimer:  GIVE ME THAT BACK THIS INSTANT!      BRING THE NOISE!
Newsgroups: can.general
From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: HELP a friend replace a broken wine glass
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:23:46 GMT


 A friend had an accident while visiting his sister and broke a crystal
wine glass (while doing the dishes).  He is trying to replace it before
it gets missed but is getting discouraged...
 It is a crystal wine glass, pattern "Louvre" made by Crystal D'Arc
 in France, now discontinued.
 Overall height is 5 3/8"
 Portion above stem is slightly tapered cylinder with the following
 dimensions:  Top diametre   -  2 1/2 inches
              Bot diametre   -  2 1/4 inches
              Cylynder height   3 inches
  
 He has checked with Echo Discontinued China in Vancouver and Ashley's
 in Toronto with "discouraging results"
 
  
 Any helpful suggestions would be much appreciated, please respond via
 email to him:  Ron De Cuypere <62184@ucdasvm1.admin.ucalgary.ca>
   or me    Ken De Cruyenaere  <kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
 

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,talk.politics.animals
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: The debt
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:20:04 GMT

stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb) writes:

>I'm glad you're not my accountant.  If I deposit $100 in the bank, I'm loaning
>the bank $100.  That means I have a $100 asset and the bank has a $100
>liability.

No that means the bank has your $100 dollars and the bank can now loan out
about $1000.  If you didn't know this you have been living in a hole.

--Donald Teed

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: chris@mks.com (Chris Retterath)
Subject: Re: Gun Control Petition
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.201405.2648@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <w2JoVB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>>ignoring all the entirely legitimate uses of guns - including, but not 
>>limited to, hunting, competitive shooting, protection of livestock, 
>>protection from wild animals, etc.
>>
>"Entirely legitimate"?  Hunting and keeping livestock are of questionable
>legitimacy.

Sez you.

But you're off track.. the point is that hunting and protection of livestock
are easier with guns.. you may not care for the products of these activities,
but those who do have a legitimate interest. Lots of us prefer our protein
in large chunks, with vitamin-rich fats along the side...

Do you shoot/trap/poison ground hogs that are eating your gardens?
Just wondering... after all, vegetarians must have an interest in keeping
their grains & vegies for themselves.

	Chris Retterath


Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Herbivory (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
Followup-To: rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:08:19 GMT

[note follow-up]
In article <schuck.724384514@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>>On the contrary, I know of many human beings who are herbivores, 
>
>I place these people in the category of breatharians.
>[stuff deleted]
>Nobody as far as I know has made it to adulthood by being an herbivore.
>
Do you know anyone who has tried?  Boatloads of studies of vegans (human
herbivores) have been done, check it out at your local medical library.
Dr Gill Langley's book _Vegan_Nutrition:_A_Survey_of_Research_ has references
to many of these studies.
>
>Besides, since human beings are just animals, there is no moral
>difference between a human hunting a deer from a mountain lion hunting
>a deer.
>
Would you also say, since human beings are just animals, there is no moral
difference between a human killing and eating her own child, and a squirrel
killing and eating her own child?  Since your argument can be used to 
justify murder, I think it is seriously flawed.
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Gun Control Petition
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:35:31 PST
Distribution: can
Organization: Robert Smits

hohm@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Brian Hohm) writes:

> Guns have no purpose other than to kill people.  I'm tired of reading
> that they have a politicly stablizing effect.  
> 


Your assertion that guns have no other purpose than to kill people is a 
bald-faced LIE. I'm tired of reading half-baked propaganda from the Walt 
Disney School that equates every use of a gun with killing people, thus 
ignoring all the entirely legitimate uses of guns - including, but not 
limited to, hunting, competitive shooting, protection of livestock, 
protection from wild animals, etc.

Yes, gun use must be regulated and responsible, but the use of guns is 
entirely legitimate and even necessary for many people. The issue of 
proper gun use is NOT simple or a black and white issue as you suggest.


emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca  (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)

Support your fellow Canadians. We should buy lousy Canadian novels 
instead of importing lousy American novels. - Johnny Wayne
Newsgroups: can.general
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 02:06:59 GMT

In article <schuck.724464576@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>Human beings *need* animal protein to stay healthy.
>Later in life we get it from meat or dairy products.

If your vegetarian diet is carefully balanced, meaning, you do NOT
simply stop eating meat and the rest of your diet remains the same,
except in larger quantities, then you do get all the protein you need.

That's why I highly encourage you all to go read the literature on what
is a PROPER vegetarian diet. You may want to include some shellfish in
there if you want. I do. Or go to a good vegetarian cooking class. A
really good instructor should have copies of all the revelent
literature ready for you, to save you a lot of time tracking them down
yourself.

Always, always, always: read the literature first, and then decide for
yourself. Do NOT, under any circumstances, just change your diet
without any knowledge of what your new diet should consist of.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Food banks
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:55:56 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
Distribution: can
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

 We had a short food bank telethon in Vancouver yesterday.  One of
 its outcomes was an earnest appeal to "create a world in which
 food banks are no longer necessary."
 
 We used to _have_ a society in Canada in which food banks were
 not necessary and didn't exist.  That was way back in the 80s
 and earlier, when governments lived up to their responsibility
 to ensure that all their citizens at least avoided starvation.
 Has everybody forgotten that food banks were introduced as a
 short-term measure in a time of drastic budget cutbacks?
 Governments would clearly like us to.  I think they just found
 it irresistibly convenient to turf out the hungry onto the
 generosity of compassionate citizens.  One  giant leap back
 into the nineteenth century.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: robertfe@microsoft.com (Robert Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Food banks
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:52:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: can

In article <1gao7sINN85g@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
> We used to _have_ a society in Canada in which food banks were
> not necessary and didn't exist.  That was way back in the 80s
> and earlier, when governments lived up to their responsibility
> to ensure that all their citizens at least avoided starvation.
> Has everybody forgotten that food banks were introduced as a
> short-term measure in a time of drastic budget cutbacks?

I'm afraid you're mistaken. There have been food banks in Canada
continuously since the 1920's, if not earlier. Their number and
size have both grown and shrunk at various points in the past, 
in relative parallel to the business cycle and the general state
of the economy.

------------
Rob Ferguson						robertfe@microsoft.com
From: leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler )
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Meat eaters
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:15:53 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca
Summary: Another point of view on vegetarianism
Keywords: Meat Vegans vegetarian food

   Has it occurred to anyone that if everyone gave up eating meat, certain 
domesticated species of animal--particularly cows and chickens--would very
rapidly become endangered species?  These animals have been modified far too
much by selective breeding to survive in the wild now.

				     ---Steven Leffler
					leffler@physics.ubc.ca

PS. Do not interpret this as a flame against vegetarianism.  It's just an
    observation of possible relevance to the current debate.
From: ramsay@math.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Snow in Vancouver (was Re: GOOD CANADIAN WINES FOR X)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 07:55:30 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.math.ubc.ca

In article <940.7.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> 
jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol)  writes:

>PS:  Did you know that only Vancouver and Victoria are the only places
>in Canada that have no snow.  YES NO SNOW OR COLD WEATHER.

A bit exaggerated-- we did get a little snow just recently. It is just
relatively infrequent and sparse. There was a little dusting of snow
once last year too, as I remember.

Keith Ramsay
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: The debt (and what is money anyways)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:50:52 GMT

tom@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Thomas Erskine) writes:

>Money is trust.  You accept pieces of paper with numbers on it because
>you *trust* that when you need something that you don't have, you can
>trade those pieces of paper to somebody who does have it.  When the
>trust is gone, the money (paper, or numbers in a computer) is worthless.
>Even when money is (supposedly) backed by some concrete thing, say gold,
>it's still only trust: you trust the issuer of that money to have on
>hand enough of that thing (e.g. gold) when you want to convert it, and
>you trust that they won't change the rules.

I completely agree.  But this does not say anything about where it is
generated.  How is money born?  My contention is that it is largely
made up of debt, which in turn illustrates that the small minded
middle and working class view that "we have got to pay it all back"
is based on their experience with personal and small business loans
and does not apply to the system as a whole.  While loans of all kinds
are collecting interest and being repaid, it is important to realize that
the objective is not to have all debt collected.  This should be
taken into consideration when discussing the issue of government debts.

--Donald Teed
Newsgroups: can.general,ns.general
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Salaries of the royal family (was Re: Lead news stories...)
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:28:31 GMT

In article <Bz24yw.Dqs@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>couldn't care less. I say we liquidate the monarchial assets, and put all
>those billions to some REAL use.
>   steve

From the Nov '92 issue of _New_Internationalist_:

"Those bored by the public press expose's of Fergie, Princess Diana and other
British royals might be more interested in their annual salaries from the 
state - which are untaxed.

Elizabeth, Queen           $15,800,000
Charles, Prince of Wales    $4,354,000
Elizabeth, Queen Mother     $1,286,000
Philip, Duke of Edinburgh     $718,000
Andrew, Duke of York          $498,000
Anne, Princess Royal          $456,000
Princess Margaret             $438,000
Prince Edward                 $192,000
Princess Alice                $174,000

However the Queen does pay $1,272,000 to be shared between the Dukes of
Gloucester and Kent and Princess Alexandra.  Charles' income is received
tax-free from 75 per cent of the revenue of the Duchy of Cornwall."
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: tom@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Thomas Erskine)
Subject: Re: The debt (and what is money anyways)
Organization: Communications Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:47:54 GMT

Money is trust.  You accept pieces of paper with numbers on it because
you *trust* that when you need something that you don't have, you can
trade those pieces of paper to somebody who does have it.  When the
trust is gone, the money (paper, or numbers in a computer) is worthless.
Even when money is (supposedly) backed by some concrete thing, say gold,
it's still only trust: you trust the issuer of that money to have on
hand enough of that thing (e.g. gold) when you want to convert it, and
you trust that they won't change the rules.

-- 
Thomas Erskine        <tom@clark.dgim.doc.ca>           (613) 998-2836
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From: sbhattac@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: can.general,rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:18:32 GMT
Followup-To: can.general
Distribution: na
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <altar.724698565@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:

Taken entirely out of context, but what the hell ....

>Anyway, maybe we shouldn't be too precisarian about the term
>"vegetarian", although it does make it difficult for the complete
>vegetarian when confusion abounds.  Maybe for exactitude, when needed,
>terms like "pico-vegetarian" or "semi-vegetarian" are helpful and
>acceptable.

So, is a pico-vegetarian better or worse than a semi-vegetarian? How about
a nano-vegetarian, or a femto-vegetarian?

My apologies .... It's 4 am, I'm still awake, and I suppose I should go to
sleep before I get any sillier.

- Shankar
 


Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Gun Control Petition
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:48:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.201405.2648@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <w2JoVB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>>ignoring all the entirely legitimate uses of guns - including, but not 
>>limited to, hunting, competitive shooting, protection of livestock, 
>>protection from wild animals, etc.
>
>"Entirely legitimate"?  Hunting and keeping livestock are of questionable
>legitimacy.

please don't be absurd.

devote macrobiotics make up a very minute percentage of the world population.
(very, very minute as our friends on the Kraft Mayonnaise commercial would say)

hunting and keeping livestock would only be of questionable legitimacy if
we had food generators like on star trek.

until then, you will find a need for meat and other livestock products.
a need, not a desire, as converting one's system to a diet entirely
independant of the exploitation of animals is not something everyone can do.

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[             I don't want to work for a company that has a CIO.              ]
[              Disclaimer! I don't need no stinking Disclaimer!               ]
Newsgroups: can.general
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: can.general,ns.general
Subject: Re: Lead news stories...
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:13:13 -0400
Distribution: can,ns
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <Bz65zo.CLu@cs.dal.ca>, legrady@ug.cs.dal.ca (Tom Legrady) writes:
> 
>>If Diana's not Queen, Charles won't be king. Their eldest son will.
> 
> I don't follow your logic. It may be that public opiion would prevent
> Charles from becoming king if he divorces, but then again it may not.
> The only thing that is certain is that Diana will not become Queen if
> she is not married to Charles. His new wife will, if there is one.
To the best of my knowledge, no one who has been divorced may take the
throne. I could be wrong, but that's the way I understand the monarchy.

   ______       
  (__  __)     .----------------------. 
 _  / /        | Jason Steeves        |
( \/ /         | (jsteeves@ac.dal.ca) |
 \__/ ASON     `----------------------'
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Gun Control Petition
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:45:41 GMT

In article <Bz3ywz.30z@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> hohm@cpsc.ucalgary.ca writes:
>At the risk of misrepresenting all the anti-gun control arguments
>that I've read recently, a lot of pro-gun posters seem to be saying
>that owning a gun is some kind of patriotic duty.

there was a fair amount of cross posting with misc.talk.guns and such, so
in fact, some of the Americans do feel it is their right and patriotic duty.

as for canadian posters who try to pull that same line, if the apply for
a restricted permit, and join a reasonable club, they may find themselves,
kicked out very quickly.

most reasonable clubs do not like to have rambos.  they are unsafe, and their
motives for owning a restricted weapon are suspect.

the only legitimate reasons to own a restricted weapon in canada are for
range shooting, and collections. (aside from police/military)

restricted weapons can only be transported from your storage facility (home)
and the range.  special permits must be gotten to take them to another
range.

you may not use a restricted weapon to hunt.

>Guns have no purpose other than to kill people.

[ are you aware of the biathalon? an olympic sport hat combines shooting and
  cross country skiing.  do you play video games?  if you are happy playing
  with simulations, that's fine, some of us like to use the real thing. ]

i know it's a tired old line, but "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

a gun's purpose is to launch a projectile, just like a bow and arrow,
just like a sling shot.

guns can be misused, as can any number of other things.

>I'm tired of reading
>that they have a politicly stablizing effect.  

i agree.

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[             I don't want to work for a company that has a CIO.              ]
[              Disclaimer! I don't need no stinking Disclaimer!               ]
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