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Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 14:33:54 MST
From: <AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
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>        True, but as I said, Seattle won't fire Flores, and Reeves is
>probably too much of class act to bother with the Cards.
>

Didn't Flores just step down from the front office as an interim coach?

Allen
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:10:56 GMT

<1992Dec29.151018.5792@mksol.dseg.ti.com> dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com writes:
> Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
> damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
> suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
> idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
> Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
> favoritism is stupid.

Geez.  You ought to live out here.  This was nothing compared to the
fawning that goes on the rest of the time.  For a moment there I thought
Deirdorf was going to offer to have Joe's baby.  Of course, those three
give bootlicking a bad name.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:19:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

>Gary, if you are going to humiltate yourself, please try it
>somewhere else.

Yes, Gary, this is Gloria's turf. He has the exclusive right
to self-humiliation around here.

(Lor pays Gloria a rights fee for his rantings)

Mike C.
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikes defeat Pack!
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:27:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec27.212703.11308
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

Well, the Vikes are putting the finishing touches on what was a wonderful
game for them, and a much needed confidence booster for the offense and
Sean Salisbury, who will now clearly be the QB in the playoffs.  I am looking
forward very much to a revenge game against the Skins on Saturday.


To Packer fans, EXCEPT for Green Bay Bob:

Congratulations to your team for hanging tough, winning six straight, and
staying in the hunt into the final week.  It's been a fun regular season,
battling you guys, and for the most part, you are a classy bunch of fans.
Tough end to what was a fine season for you guys.  They made a great run to
make a real race for the division and for the playoffs.  You can look forward
to watching a good young QB in the years ahead, and a classy young coach who
did an outstanding job this season.  I think we're seeing the beginning of
what will hopefully be a healthy rivalry between the Vikes and the Pack (if
we can get a QB).  And a hearty congratulations to Sterling Sharpe, the best
WR in the league (no pro-Jerry Rice flames please), for setting the record.


To Green Bay Bob (others need not read):

Eat it!  So do you still think our team is crap?  So much for wiping the
floor with us *once*, let alone two weeks in a row.  The only guys doing the
wiping today were wearing purple.  And I really enjoyed the way Buckley 
dominated the game and terrorized our offense (hee, hee).  More like Buckley
getting burned ALL DAY, along with the rest of the Pack secondary, giving up
~300 yards passing to Sean.  And as for all those interceptions... looked
more like Vencie Glenn picking off Favre ALL DAY.  It was almost laughable.
Sorry, Green Bay Bob, no Vikingburger today... looks like you'll have to find
something else to munch on while you and the Packers watch the Vikes on TV
next week.  But take heart, Green Bay Bob, your team is a good one, and
they'll be back.  They're fine players and good people, nothing like the
classless jerk that you have proven to be. 

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: mracette@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Racette)
Subject: Re: Brister Sacks the Steelers!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:33:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec21.140254.27750@walter.bellcore.com> pbf@inoms.bellcore.com (Phil Franklin) writes:
>I am really disgusted with Brister (along with every other Steelers
>fan in the country!).  Apparently, so are his coaches.  With 8 seconds
>to go at the end of the first half, near the Vikings' 5-yard line,
>Cowher opted for the field goal, rather than letting Brister take one
>more shot at the end-zone.  That choice spoke volumes.  

Although I totally agree with you that Brister is a sorry excuse for an
NFL quarterback, (in fact, Pitts. hasn't had a decent QB since Bradshaw, 
though O'Donnell shows promise) I have to wonder about your thoughts on 
trying another shot at the end zone with only 8 seconds remaining. Any 
coach who wants to keep his job very long kicks the field goal.

Mike R.



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From: nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Dallas: Curvin Richards
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:11:52 GMT

Of Curvin Richards, someone wrote:

> I can't believe that Jimmy Johnson cut Curvin Richards! What type of game does
> Johnson expect the guy to have when he has hardly played at all during the
> season? They didn't really give him much of a chance. I know he was injured at

The way the front office described it, the fumbles were simply the straw that
broke the camel's back.  They said that Richards has good talent and a good
on-the-field work ethic.  Their problem with Richards was his lack of 
development in scholarship skills.  He refused to take notes in team meetings,
he rarely studied his playbook or watched game films, and he was the only RB
who consistently refused to take pre-game quizzes on the gameplan.  Consequently
his screwups (3 of them) in Sunday's game were a result of his poor execution
of the plays and not having his head in the game.  Sure, it's easy to be
lackadasical when you never play, but that is not the type of player Johnson
wants.  He wants intellegent players with hungry attitudes whom he can count
on in the important games  --> Exit Richards.

Nix
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ray Handley signs four year deal !!!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:57:32 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

The Giants announced Ray haandley has signed a four year deal to 
remain Head coach through the 96' season












Just Kidding Satish........
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Playoff Picture and possibilities upto SB.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:39:19 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


With the loss of the Bills, the fish are the AFC-East Champs.
The  Rankings in Each Conference are as follows...

               NFC                     AFC
        1      49ers                Steelers
        2      Boys                 Dolphins
        3      Vikings              Chargers
        4      Saints               Bills
        5      Eagles               Oilers
        6      Redskins             Chiefs
Play off possibilities as I picture..

WEEK-1
               NFC          |          AFC
     
Sat.          Skins/Vikings |    chiefs@chargers
Sun.          Eagles/Saints |    Oilers@Bills

POSSIBILITY-1
              NFC                     AFC
Week-2  if Vikes win Vikes@Boys | if Chargers win Chargers@Dolphins
&winner of Eagles/Saints @ 49ers| &winner of Oilers/Bills @Steelers
The above scenerio is possibility-1

POSSIBILITY-2
              NFC                     AFC
Week-2  if Skins win Skins@9ers | if Chiefs win  Chiefs@Steelers
&Winner of Eagles/Saints@Boys   | &winner of Oilers/Bills@Dolphins
The above scenerio is Possibility-2

WEEK-3:
If Possiblity-1 occurs in Week-2.....

              NFC                     AFC
if Vikes & Eagles/Saints  win     | if Chargers win & Oilers/Bills win
Eagles/Saints@Vikes for NFC Champ |  Oilers/Bills@Chargers for AFC Champ.

        if Boys win and 9ers win  | if Dolphins & Steelers win
     Boys@9ers for NFC Champ      | Dolphins@Steelers for AFC Champ.
       
if Boys and Eagles/Saints win     | if Dolphins and Bills/Oilers win
Eagles/Saints@Boys for NFC Champ  | Bills/Oilers@Dolphins for AFC Champ.

       if Vikes and 9ers win      | if Chargers and Steelers win
      Vikes@9ers for NFC Champ    | Chargers@Steelers for AFC Champ

WEEK-3:
If Possiblity-2 Occurs in Week-2

              NFC                    AFC
if Skins & Eagles/Saints win      |  if Chiefs & Bills/Oilers win
Skins@Eagles/Saints for NFC Champ | Chiefs@Bills/Oilers for AFC Champ

if Skins and Boys win             |  if Chiefs and Dolphins win
Skins@Boys for NFC Champ          |  Chiefs@Dolphins for AFC Champ

The other two possibilities arising out of possibility-2 are already
covered by the week-3 scenerio arising out of possibility-2

Jan-31   NFC Champ  V/s AFC Champ at Rose Bowl  Pasadena for
                          SUPERBOWL XXVII

S.H

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: total yards from scrimmage
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:07:43 GMT

In article <102876@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>
>Along these lines, I wonder just how much yards (rushing) means 
>in the NFL these days.  I heard yesterday that the Seahawks' RB
>is approaching 1000 yards.  But how many of these yards are "real"
>and how many were given up by an defense after thay had a comfortable
>lead?
>
>satish nair
>giants (6-10 in '92)
>
Not intended as a flame to your question regarding "real" rushing
yards. Rushing is rushing and yards passing is yards passing.
There are no asterisks next to a RBs totals to differentiate your
rationale. OJ Simpson's, Jim Brown's, E. Smith's, T.Thomas's, etc.,
are all valid rushing totals regardless of team standings/rankings
in the NFL. I also don't think it should matter if they got these
yards because of your scenario. 
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: roberto@oas.olivetti.com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Kickoff rules
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:29:05 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

Did I have a hallucination or did I see Morten Andersen (NO) kick
off in both halves during Saturday NO@Jets game.

Is this possible? What are the rules about starting-half kickoffs?

Thanks for the info.
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How the Pack Can Get In (was Re: Redskins/Packers in the Playoffs ...
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:28:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec22.042859.7179
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman

In article <1992Dec21.201439.12222@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.173153.29992@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:

>>Why worry??  The Vikes are going to kill the Packers anyways.  That comment 
>>about the Eagles having incentive to lose is very stupid.  Any athlete or team
>>with any amount of pride or competitive spirit does not think that way.  And 
>>the Eagles have pleny of pride and spirit.
>
>I was being a gratious loser, but I think this just might be cause for me to be
>"ungracious".  I'm going to send a bulletin to all you Vikings fans, unless
>something changes, maybe Salisbury stepping forward, who knows, the Vikings
>have NO offense.  Comments about going all the way with defense are moronic.  A

Chris, please don't lump all of us Vikings fans together.  I hope we beat you
guys this weekend, but I'm certainly not ready to say that we are going to
kill you.  I am painfully aware of our offensive problems, actually I think
you can reduce that to our QB problems.  Not all of us are out woofing up the
Vikes as some powerhouse.  I'm just praying that they can get things worked
out before the playoffs.

Jim 
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Dolphins win AFC East - Bills' Fans eat words..
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:36:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I wish the fish lots of luck they won the AFC EAST, they deserver credit
and congrats. Their fans also deserve our congratulations and our best
wishes, at least until the playoffs start!


Congratulations:




Kevin; a Bills fan
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.063741.26448@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  Nope, not what I said. Actually, when the playoffs begin, a 9-7 team is in
>  the same position as a 14-2 (or 16-0) team. Both are 0-0, and the 16-0 (or
>  14-2) team doesn't get any credit (outside of a bye week) for their record.
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's exactly the credit and advantage they get for the record, but that's
not all.

>  If the 9-7 team goes 1-0 against the 16-0 team, well, the 16-0 team is done
>  for the year. 
I sure hope what you say is true (you know why), but this is unlikely.

Now, then how is a 14-2 regular season record relevant in the playoffs?
IT GIVES YOU THE HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE. Simply put, if the 49ers win
NFC playoffs, all at home, then its #1 seeding certainly plays a role. How 
much? we can't quantify, but it's a factor. What contributed to that factor? 
the 14-2 record.

It's the same as the '88 Lakers winning the championship, by winning all
three series in games 7 at home. Would they have won the championship had 
they had no HCA? probably not. Then what gave them the HCA throughout the 
playoffs? the regular season record, which played a big part in their
championship.

Now only if that 9-7 team wins the NFC playoffs that you can say that
the regular season doesn't mean anything, and all teams starts at 0-0.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: OK Folks, less than a week left!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:14:58 GMT

All right folks, there's less than one week left till the playoffs, cwhich means
there's less than one week left to get in my superbowl pool.  Now folks, I stillneed a little bit more of a pool to make the pool official, so don't be afraid 
to put some money with your favorite team, or the team that you're sure will 
trounce every other, or just because the odds are high.

E-mail me for odds.

_________________________________________________________________________
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Known throughout the world as the Bosk |  "Christ you know it ain't easy|
All Rights Reserved, All Lefts Enhanced|   You know how hard it can be  |
                                       |   The way things are going     |
	               		       |   They're gonna crucify me     |
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 28 Dec 1992 16:19:32 EST
From: <IO81144@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chuck Cecil in Pro Bowl???????
 <1992Dec28.175511.15975@cs.wisc.edu> <1992Dec28.190325.27130@bmw.mayo.edu>

I too was suprised to see Cecil on the pro bowl team, despite being a Packer

fan since birth.(Yes, I know its been a long time, and a hard thing to rational
ize.  Packer fans are diehards if nothing else)  Cecil has always been a hell
of a hard hitter.  Somebody who takes such a gungho attitude toward his own
body will seem to sometimes to make cheap hits.  But I have only been able
to see a few games this year, but I have yet to see him deliberately spear
anyone.  Sure, players get hit with helmets, but often these players make
would be tacklers miss completely.  Hitters like Cecil can really fire up a
whole defense, remember the defenses of the Giants and the Bears?  The thing
with Cecil is he used to play only part time because his coverage abilities
(yes, I know he is a safety)  I guess his ability to read the quarterback
has improved enough that his game does not have a weakness to go with his
strengths.
My mother pretty much got it right, she thought the Packers would be a .500
team at the beginning of the season.  The emerge of Favre pushed that up
a bit, and another year should benefit the whole team.  I think the loss
of Holland really hurt against the Vikings, but a poster had it right when
he mentioned the Packers can't rely on the linebackers only for a pass rush.
Next year should be interesting in the division.  Unlike the "majik" team
that missed the playoffs a few years ago, this team has a good base to build
on.  And with the defense the vikings have, they'll be a force to reckon with.
There sort of like the Bears of a few years ago, a good defense, a rushing atta
ck and confusion at qb.  They didn't go far in the playoffs though.  As for the
 Vikings?  stay tuned

Lost up in the woods of Maine
Brian Scheller
Packers in ??
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:08:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.140038.609@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.191522.2505@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>> current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3
>> 
>> Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>> Does anyone want a play by play?
>
>You better check again!
>Oilers 35
>Bills  31
>
>Brian
>Go Cowboys!
>Go Baylor!
>
The FAT LADY CHOKED AND HAD A HEART ATTACK AND DIED!!!	
Final:  Oilers 38  Bills 41

The Oilers fell asleep in the second half. They got complacent
and played not to win. The momentum quickly turned and the Bills
took advantage of it. Depsite a couple of BAD NON-calls by
the folks in black-white, the DA BIILS deserved to win this GAME!
My hat off to Reich and his line! When crunch time came, the 
DA BILLs arose to the occassion.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Subject: A sad farewell to Denver
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:43:10 GMT

    Denver just lost to the Chiefs by, I think - 42/20.  John
    Elway and Co played a valiant game - but were finally over-
    whelmed by a healthier (and younger) team.

    I will miss Denver in the play offs.  I hope they make some
    decisions during the off season and come back  next year ready to              play.  I think it will be good if Reeves is coach - he's done
    a good job in my opinon.   I think it will be good if they 
    try to replace some of the older players.  Guys like Mechlenberg
    (Sp?) have played well, but it may be time to move on.  	                   I    think we need to ask John Elway to make the ultimate sacrifice -
    to become a second string quarterback.

    Wait a minute!. Don't flame me yet!  John Elway is the reason I
    am a Denver fan.  I remember when he was drafted by the Colts - 
    after telling them he wouldn't play for them.  They were offering
    a LOT of money - but he signed with the Yankees to play baseball
    for 50,000 rather than sell out his principals.  I decided the
    guy must be worth admiring.  And, I think John Elway has truly
    been an admirable sports character.   And yet,  age and time is
    catching up to him.  I do not think he will ever really be 
    healthy enough to play an entire season again.  But what a back
    up threat he would be!   I don't know if he will ever make it
    into the hall of fame - but I hope so.  I think he deserves it.

    Oh well, now that Denver is out - I can give my complete support
    to Dallas for the superbowl.    Goodby Denver.  See you again
    next year.     Dan
From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff teams vs Playoff teams
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

correction: the vikes have only beaten one playoff team ( the steelers
yesterday). they are 1-4 against playoff teams this year (losing to
houston, san fran, washington, and philly). 

with the vikes win, i can finally relax. it was not pretty but who cares.
a win is a win. we did not back into the playoffs and finally had a close
game go our way!

							vinnie
From: dht@controls.ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran)
Subject: Upcoming Buffalo/Houston game
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:00:59 GMT

Since Miami won over the Jet last night, Houston clinches a wild-card but
not a division leader.  Now with one week to play in the regular schedule,
How would the outcome of games affect the seeding of wild card in AFC?

The games I am intersting are Miami/New England and Buffalo/Houston.  The
Buffalo/Houston game is on sunday night.  By that time the game might be
meaningless for the Houston.  On the other hand, Buffalo must win if     
Miami wins over New England in the afternoon.  

Is it possible that Houston will deliberately lose to Buffalo in order to
get advantage in the first round playoff?  If Miami wins, then Houston
probably will be a #2 or #3 wild card.  They will be on the road in the
first week.  Now if they win over the Buffalo, most likely they will be
#2 wild card.  Guess what, they will play Buffalo again in the first
week at Rich stadium.  Tough job.  A loss by Houston means they will play
at Miami, S. Diego, or Pitt.  

The point is Houston will probably not get home advantage in the playoff.
They will be on the road.  So would they want to play Buffalo at Buffalo
or play other teams?

Danh Tran
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Giants Coach - Boyz fans read too
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:59:08 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.82.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>Soo    8:30 AM EST - ESPN says the number one pick for the giants new head 
>coach is Cowboys defensive Coordinator Dave Wanstead (<-spelling?)

First of all, wasn't that Fred "I'll say anything that comes into my mind
three minutes before air time" Edelstein who gave that report?

Also, I'm not sure, but I think Dave W. has already said he wouldn't take
the job if it was offered to him.

Daniel Welch
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