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From: jlkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Justin Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Thanks for helping me find _Teach_Yourself_Gaelic!
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:03:42 GMT


	Thanks to everyone who emailed me places to look for
_Teach_Yourself_Gaelic_!  Your help was (and is) *greatly*
appreciated!

Thanks again!

Cheers,
Justin

-- 
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---------->jlkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
------------->Graduate School of International Relations/
---------------->Pacific Studies-University of California, San Diego
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From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:20:39 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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In article <4763@sumax.seattleu.edu>, harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Daniel Harrity) writes:
|> In article <21JUL92.00294569@skyfox.usask.ca> misra@skyfox.usask.ca writes;

|> 
|> >I wouldn't want to be accused of being cynical, but if the truth be known,
|> >the above quoted "sermon on the mount" most likely came from Governor Clinton's
|> >speech writers. I seem to remember something about a "kinder gentler America" 
|> >and "a thousand points of light" from the last presidential election. It's all
|> >very well saying nice things. The real trick is to figure out HOW to make it 
|> >work.
|> >
|> >Pearse
|> 
|> I'm inclined to agree with Pearse. I can't say I particularly *don't* like
|> Candidate Clinton. But you must agree that, really, it's not that terribly
|> difficult to be a "feel-good" candidate, and such is what I think Mr.
|> Clinton is trying to do. (I mean, geeze, how *could* you be against those
|> one-liners above?)
|> 
|> Coming from a politician, one of the most prevalent assumptions, I'd
|> guess, is that the above-mentioned quotes are nothing more than
|> sugar-coated platitudes designed to make this guy appeal to the greatest
|> amount of people (voters) possible. At least, that's what came to mind for

Clinton took a staggeringly long 54 minutes to accept. While there were some
inspirational patches in it, it seemed like (as Bill Safire described
it) it had been written by a committee that needed to touch every base, say
something for every constituency, make sure that every single interest group
found reason to cheer, etc. No wonder it took that long...

|> 
|> And yes, he probably has no choice but to pull this kind of stunt, since
|> they all do it. It's the unfortunate condition of the political process
|> that's faulty here, which has rather degenerated into a marketing game :(
|> 

The last time somebody tried to say what he thought was the truth at a 
convention (Mondale in 1984 saying that he would raise taxes after the 
election), he got a 1%-age point popularity bump after the election, and
lost 49 states in the Fall. Most candidates get between a 10 and 20%
bump after the convention. It doesn't pay to be dry and truthful. You
gotta have the Vision thing (whatever the hell that is). 'Course, Mondale
as a speaker has about as much energy as a dead fish.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
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From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:23:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent1.sooz.711930209
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV

In <1992Jul23.103755.15546@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

>From: spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
>>What a fool to think Clinton can do anything but ruin our country.
>>He'll raise taxes we can't afford to pay.

>Can't or won't? Have you Americans already cut back on your
>luxuries? Would extra taxes mean you going hungry or naked? Or
>would you rather, as your President's action at the recent
>Environment Conference in Brazil suggests, ruin the world for
>the sake of saving the bloated lifestyle of that half of your
>population which still thinks it has a sufficient stake in its
>country to make voting worthwhile?

>Is it any coincidence that the two countries with the most
>right-wing anti-tax and anti-spending governments in the
>1980s, the USA and the UK, are now the two in the worst
>economic slumps? Aren't both countries acting like a
>householder who lets his house fall to pieces because rather
>than invest in keeping it in a good state he prefers to spend
>his money on expensive luxuries?

>Matthew Huntbach

Well said, Matthew!
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From: sharkey@robots.oxford.ac.uk (Paul Sharkey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:32:46 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.

This has nothing to do with soc.culture let alone soc.culture.celtic.

PLEASE remove s.c.c from any followup.

(I don't read s.c.b or s.c.u so I've no opinion on whether they are
removed as well ;-)

Paul.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Chuan "infamous" Lee)
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:36:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.160946.25464@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>In article <4763@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Daniel Harrity) writes:
[...]
>>I really, really wonder whether a genuinely honest, well-meaning and
>>hard-working candidate for political office would stand a chance in our
>>system, as now it stands.  In other words, if someone simply got up and
>>just *spoke* (with no pre-orchestration, marketeers :) and didn't spend
>>gobs of money on digging up the dirt on his opponents, would (s)he survive
>>even the first round? 
>>
>>Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 
>
>Well, Perot did a pretty good job of that. Whether you were a supporter
>or not, you have to agree he came uncomfortably close (uncomfoirtable
>for the Dems and Reps). Also, I recently heard that one of the networks
>made a decision this year that they would never broadcast less than
>30 seconds of any candidate, to avoid those 8-second sound bites. That's
>a big step in the right direction. Finally, with the increasing popularity
>and availablity of cabel, with it's 50 or so channels, there is a lot more
>substantial talk and debate, from stations like CNN and CSPAN1 and 2,
>which broadcast entire debates and speaches, not just the highlights.
>
>None of this has much to do with s.c.c. however.
>			Ed Hartnett

Actually, Perot is not any better or more honest than Clinton or Bush. 
Most politicians would TALK about a situation honestly.  Clinton blames
the White House and Bush accuses the Congress for the current situation.
To me, they are both right and honest in their point of view.  What
Perot did was just put the blame and the accusation from Clinton and
Bush together and made it his own.  Surely he made many people felt
good.

The dishonest comes when they are to propose to SOLVE the problem.
Clinton has his own problem back in Arkansas and Bush... obviously.
They have to sell (lie about) their plans which are supposed to solve
the problems.  Many people will get turned off once they find out
how the plans will affect their lives.  Now comes to this Lost Perot
guy.  He still gets the support because he has yet give his plan yet.
So I can't say whether he is honest or not.  And he didn't have the
chance to indicate that since he's already quit.

BTW, why are there still people who want Perot back into the race?
These people must be very very stupid.  I don't see in Perot any
quality of leadership, intelligence, trust and loyalty.  His
reasoning of quitting his yet-declared-candidacy made me laugh
and feel sympathy with the ones who have followed him.

Real politicians are not THAT bad afterall.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: Jack.Honeycutt@f52.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Jack Honeycutt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Request for Limericks
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:06:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712492754.F00001

Hello All!

29 Jul 92, Donald Fair writes to All:

 DF>     There once was a man from Nantuckit

Here is my Limerick I remember from my first year (and last) at college:

     There once was a lady named Bright,
     Who's speed was much faster than light,
     She set out one day,
     In a relative way,
     And returned on the previous night.


Jack
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: mbailie@oregon.uoregon.edu (Mashoed Bailie)
Subject: Miskimmin=Irish or not?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: 30 Jul 1992 14:08 PDT  

Would anyone on the list happen to know if the name "Miskimmin" is Irish
or Scottish?  I think the name is pronounced "MISS-KIM-IN" and belonged to
a family in Belfast.  I haven't come across it again however, and cannot
find it in "family name" reference books anywhere.  While I'm at it, does
anyone know the history of "Bailieborough" in County Caven (I think)?


Thanks.
Mashoed.Z
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
From: baem@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (brian.ae.meekings)
Subject: Re: Request for Limericks
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:34:14 GMT


There was a young man called Bates
Who danced the fandango on skates
He fell on his cutlass
Which rendered him nutless
And practically useless on dates.

----------------------------------
Brian A.E. Meekings
baem@mink.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Irish Drumming in the U.S.?I am a big fan of Irish music, traditional and modern, and one of
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 15:53:49 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

my favorite instruments is the Irish hand-drum(know the name, can't spell
it).  Does anyone here know of any companies that put out tapes of that
focus upon this instrument, or of a musician who records with the drum?
     I love drum music, but most of what I can find around here(S. Ohio)
is African stuff, and I prefer the Celtic rhythms.  If you know where
I can order some music from in the US, I'd really appreciate the info.
Thank you in advance.
 
Jim
=========================================================================
Oh there's sober men aplenty/and drunkards barely twenty
There're men o'er ninety who have ne'er yet kissed a girl
But give me a ramblin' rover/from Orkney down to Dover
We will roam the country over/and together we'll face the world.
=========================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco)
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:21:13 GMT

cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:


>In article <1992Jul27.055050.5451@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes...
>>There was an article in today's New York Times which used various surveys and
>>poll results to try to distill a description of a 'typical' American (a dubious
>>exercise, at best).  The one factoid that caught my eye was the Census data
>>that indicated that fully 13.1% of Americans claim some Irish ancestry, while
>>only 11% claim any amount of English ancestry  (the 'Irish' were second only 
>>to the 'Germans' - 19.6% claimed German ancestry).  I don't know whether I'm
>>more surprised at the large percentage of 'Irish-Americans' or at the low
>>number who recognize English ancestry, given the country's origins, or at the
>>fact that the Census Bureau even asks something like this...
>> 
>What was the figure for the Scots?

>Craig

I'd like to know if there was a complete breakdown by ethnic group, and if
you could post some of it.

-ACF
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Scots or Picts (was Celtic alchoholism?)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:35:33 GMT

From article <1992Jul30.084504.27195@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, by mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach):
> 
> The survey was based on surnames, when it says "Scottish" it
> actually means those with indisputably Celtic names of
> Highlands origin.
> 
> Matthew Huntbach

I am curious as to how one would clasify an indisputably Highland name.
I can see that any Mac would count, but how about Ross, since it by
history is a very Highland name but might not look it. Also, how about
the very Scottish names that come from other areas (e.g. Hay, Graham,
Huntly, Keith, Buchan, Strachan, Douglas)? Even my name (Walker) is
derived from the term Waulking, meaning to need (sp?) tweed in a liquid
(usually urine), and I know know that my ancestors have lived in the NE
for at least 200 years (I haven't looked further back). So I would
suggest that it is not too scientific to just use obvious Highland
names.

														GW
From: jsc@doc.ic.ac.uk (Stephen Crane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:16:00 GMT
	<1992Jul27.193321.12267@news.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Jul28.102127.25741@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
Organization: Dept of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK.

>>>>> On 28 Jul 92 10:21:27 GMT, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) said:
David> The term Caledonia to describe Scotland is still in use today though.
Quite.  As in the Fatima Mansions' line:
"The prince of Caledonia, he drives a diesel van and he peddles scag
in Hamilton: he's the reality man."

David> Dave
Steve,
--
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Medicine, 180 Queen's Gate, London SW7 2BZ, UK:jsc@{doc.ic.ac.uk, icdoc.uucp}
"If it works, it's obsolete." -- Marshall McLuhan.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:58:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
>> In <1992Jul23.103755.15546@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew >Huntbach) writes:
>>
>>>From: spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
>>>>What a fool to think Clinton can do anything but ruin our country.
>>>>He'll raise taxes we can't afford to pay.
>>
>>>Can't or won't? Have you Americans already cut back on your
>>>luxuries? Would extra taxes mean you going hungry or naked? Or
>>
>Which Americans do you have in mind? Everyone? Does this include Bernie
>Sanders (Ind/Socialist) who is the Representative in the House for one
>of the districts in Vermont?
>
>Could it not equally be said that "you British are such a bunch of
>conservatives since you voted for the Tories at the last 3 or is it 4
>elections."
>
>Mmmmmh?

OK, point taken, it was a generalisation. However, it is the
case that the USA is a low-taxed country by European standards,
yet judging by reports in the press and by usenet contributors,
electoral pressure is all for tax reductions and any politician
who suggests that a modest tax increase might be the way to
solve the USA budget deficit doesn't stand a chance.

The fact that the USA has managed to elect one socialist (on a
personal vote) does not balance the fact that it is one of the
few democratic nations without a large socialist party.

On your point about Britain, it should be remembered that
unlike the USA, there is a large third party which wins a good
proportion of the votes but very few seats, thus it is possible
for a government to get elected with as few as 40% of the votes
- the Conservative governments you mention have been elected on
around 45% of the vote.

It may be thought that it is none of our business judging USA
tax rates, yet it is when it comes to taxes on non-renewable
resources like oil. The USA has low petrol (I think you call it
"gas") prices because no politician dare tax it, but this means
there is little incentive to restrict use of it, thus the USA
is using up the world's resources of the stuff at a wasteful
high rate.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair)
Subject: Re: Irish Drumming in the U.S.?I am a big fan of Irish music, traditional and modern, and one of
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:27:04 GMT


	Hi,
	I have a drum that was purchased for me
	in Ireland. It has the makers phone
	number in it. I also have an educational
	tape that goes with it. If you wish this
	information I will bring it in and email
	it to you.

	don fair

p.s. I am going on vacation for
	3 weeks Aug. 2. So if your
	response does not get to
	me before then It will take
	a while.

-- 
_____________________________________________
Donald H. Fair       Software Sanitation Eng.
dfair@octel.com     
standard disclaimer 
---------------------------------------------
From: mth022@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: (was Ireland) Croatia and Bosnia
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:57:11 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

A response to my earlier article suggested that the solution for ex-Yugoslavia
lay in compromise and negotiation. That's true; but the Milosevic government
has no desire to compromise or negotiate-and it has the guns.
Since the Serbian government has been driving out Croatians and Muslims
and replacing them with settlers, the comparison is not today's Northern
Ireland but to Cromwell's, and James I's.
I believe that when and if this government falls there will be negotiation.
I also don't believe the Serbian people wanted this at all.
Sorry to put this in this group, but after my first article I had to.
This is my last.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:33:21 GMT

From article <1992Jul27.114614.28993@rdg.dec.com>, by cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn):
> 
> Article: 374
> From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI-Radio)
> Newsgroups: clari.news.headlines
> Subject: US & World headlines (Jul 27 3 am PDT)
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 3:26:38 PDT
> 
> 
> .....
> 	A new study shows people of Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent are
> three times as likely to suffer from alcoholism as those in the general
> population. Today's study was reported in the Guardian newspaper.
>

Is this study broken down into Welsh, Scots, and Irish? It would be
interesting to see that breakdown, because is the "problem" genetic or
cultural. Also, to get off the subject a little, how Celtic are the
Scots. Historically, back around 1000 AD most "Scots" actually would
have been Picts (whoever they were; not necessarily Celts). In addition,
there were of course Britons (Gallaway) and Angles (the Lothians), plus
bits of Fresians and Vikings.

															GW

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Horslips --- Irish Musical Tradition
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:40:12 GMT

jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes:
>	"Quite offensive"? Really. Perhaps you would rather I said:
>	A feeling of mutual attraction is visually challange, or so
>	my perceptions lead me to beleive, so that I might make a
>	gift to you of my nocturnal visions in REM sleep mode.
>	Once all relevant discussion of the topic and comesurate
>	actions is completed, the nocturnal vision in REM sleep
>	mode of visually challanged persons do not lead to mutual
>	enjoyment.

I'm not sure what purpose this adolescent paraphrase is supposed to
serve, except perhaps to demonstrate that you belong to that class of
people that writes off as "political correctness" any attempt to show
the slightest consideration for the feelings of minorities.  No, I do
not consider it any less offensive; nor do I think that the context
you give or the poetic sense, such as it is, reduce the callousness of
the phrase "A blind man's dreams are not much fun."

>	Take, for instance, Sinead O'Connor. When the Irish government was 
>fumbling over the question of whether to let the pregnant 14 year old out 
>of the country for an abortion Sinead flew over from England, marched right
>into the Dail, and demanded to see the Taoiseach (Prime Minister). There was
>quite a striking picture of her in The Irish Times. She was admited and told
>him to let her go. In the end he did.

Give me a break.  While I have every respect for Sinead O'Connor as a
musician and as a person of principle, it's nevertheless
embarrassingly clear that she shoots her mouth off far too often
without thinking.  If you think that the decision to allow the
14-year-old to have an abortion was in any way related to Sinead's
hamfisted pantomime you are completely out of touch with what is going
on in your adoptive country.

As for the Bards, I am well aware of who they were and don't take
kindly to being lectured on the subject by foreigners.  One thing you
neglect to mention is that many of the Bards were blind; we owe some
of the greatest poetry in the Irish language to these blind men's
dreams.

,
Eamonn
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:50:25 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Jul27.055050.5451@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes:
> There was an article in today's New York Times which used various surveys and
> poll results to try to distill a description of a 'typical' American (a dubious
> exercise, at best).  The one factoid that caught my eye was the Census data
> that indicated that fully 13.1% of Americans claim some Irish ancestry, while
> only 11% claim any amount of English ancestry  (the 'Irish' were second only 
> to the 'Germans' - 19.6% claimed German ancestry).  I don't know whether I'm
> more surprised at the large percentage of 'Irish-Americans' or at the low
> number who recognize English ancestry, given the country's origins, or at the
> fact that the Census Bureau even asks something like this...


 I'd love to see how many folks claimed German ancestry in say the 1950
census. Something tells me that it may have been a great deal lower. Also,
with respect to the questions asked on the census, if you have ever filled
out one of the "long forms" for the census then you'd probably be shocked
at some of the questions they ask.



				gln



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