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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Van de Wetering (was: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 30 DEC 92 22:47:31 GMT


Joan wrote:

>Heather mentioned the Janwilliem Van der Wetering series again.  I really 
>liked these.  They're much lighter in tone than the Beck books but they're 
>good stories just the same.  They are very Zen.  _Mr. Sati's Satori_ 
>(spelled something like that) is also a good one.  

The title is actually _Inspector Saito's Small Satori_.  It's not an
"Amsterdam cop" mystery.  It's a collection of short stories about Saito
Masanobu, a detective on the Kyoto police force.  I didn't find the Saito
stories as entertaining as the Grijpstra/de Gier series, but there *is* a lot
of Zen in them.

Van de Wetering also wrote an autobiographical non-fiction book entitled _A
Glimpse of Nothingness: Experiences in an American Zen Community_. 
Interesting reading, especially if you enjoy his simple, rather whimsical
writing style.


Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Anne Rice Fan
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:28:50 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Are there any Anne Rice fans out there anymore?
--Mac
mcelroy@acs.bu.edu

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From: lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:33:30 GMT

In article <sph0301.133.725726470@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu> sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu writes:
>
> ...and in the holiday spirit, GOOD KING WESCES CAR BACKED OUT, ON A
>PIECE OF STEPHEN...
>
>kate

This one is so good, I'd like to hear the whole song <grin>.
			Laura


Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:23057 news.groups:24846
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:56:58 CST
From: Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
 <1992Dec22.175831.28627@nevada.edu>

As an infrequent poster, and a frequent reader/lurker, I offer
a modest proposal.  Why not split into:

rec.arts.books     and      rec.arts.booklovers  (approximate title)

This seems to be the crux of the issue.  Fido is the archetypal
book lover, and anything he would want to discuss would easily
fit into the appropriate matter for r.a.bl, as would discussions
of spinster societies and Rabelaisian discussions of internal
plumbing.

R.a.b., on the other hand, would be devoted to the discussion of
books and books only.  A discussion might start on r.a.b. and
move over to r.a.bl, once the topic moved off books proper.  Since
r.a.b. would have strict guidelines (enforced by Jack Campin and
others who actually believe in such stuff), the number of messages
per day would be relatively small.  R.a.bl would be free to wander
off on any topic that members thought interesting and/or amusing.

Cole Kendall
(who would probably read r.a.bl first)
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:29:52 GMT

Jennifer Heise writes:

>Question: Are the author and singer(s) of the pop song "Kyrie Eleison"(Sp?)
>committing cultural appropriation?  ("Kyrie Eleison"- greek for "Lord, have
>mercy." Often used in that form in the Catholic Mass. Many people had no idea
>of the significance of the phrase, notably my boyfriend, who insisted that the

	This is somewhat off the subject (but, hey is this r.a.b. or
what?) but Jennifer's comment that her friend thought "Kyrie Eleison"
was "carry a laser" reminds me of today's meaninful internet
experience. I was browsing the gopher server at U. of Minnesota where
they have the "lyric" file - this file has the lyrics to hundreds of
(mostly) pop songs - and I was somewhat astounded to actually read the
lyrics and then remember what I thought it was on first hearing the
song. I dimly remember this as a rab thread sometime ago but it's still
weird to see your memories so flatly contradicted. Of course, I'm  not
completely convinced that the file is 100% correct anyway. Anyone
remember the Grateful Dead's *Friend of the Devil? Is it like this:

Got two reasons why I cry away each lonely night
The first one's named sweet Ann Marie and she's my heart's delight
The second one is prison, babe, and the sheriff's on my tail
And if he catches up with me I'll spend my life in jail

Or?

The first one's named sweet Ann Marie and she's my heart's delight
The second one is prison bait and the sheriff's on my tail
...

We now return to your regularly scheduled soiree.

Keith

--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu (Scott Radeker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.books.technical,alt.internet.services,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: The Online BookStore Announcement: The Internet Companion
Date: 23 Dec 1992 01:15:03 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
Distribution: usa
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In article <1h88sdINN9fg@nym.ossi.com> aegl@ossi.com (Tony Luck) writes:
>Huh, I'm only a dumb foreigner, so maybe the subtleties of the American
>political system are beyond me ... but isn't Danny still VP for a few
>more days ... Al Gore won't be VP until he gets sworn in January '93.

So he was the Vice-Presidnet elect, not the actual VP.  Since the official
publication date is 1993 though, he would have been VP not VP-elect.

>(Not to mention that in many states there is no vote for VP, so Al didn't
>actually "win the election" ... Bill did the winning thing, Al just comes
>with the package).

Well, I guess I meant THEY not HE.  However, since some states DO vote for
VP he doesn't "just come with the package."

And don't lecture me on constitutional law.

Scott

-- 
W. Scott Radeker, IV			                      Cast Member 
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Shouting at robots
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:10:39

I hear my 7 year old son shouting "Stop! Stop!" at his robot.  You
might consider shouting at a toy robot a singularly futile exercise.
However, the robot, manufactured in China for a Japanese company and
sold at Radio Shack, uses voice recognition technology licensed from an
American company.

It just isn't very obedient when shouted at.

A $25 prize is offered for the best posting in the next week viewing
this development with alarm, i.e. children shouting at robots.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: prmiskel@apgea.army.mil (Patricia R. Miskelly <prmiskel>)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ngaio Marsh info requested
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:49:56 GMT
Organization: Edgewood

In article <BzGyG6.2t1@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>
>Neither Sargeson nor Stewart is invariably serious; "Tama" contains a
>Rabelaisian piece about farting, and Sargeson's satire can be deadly.

Deadly satire is not really in the same genre as dead corpses.

>I've found both of them far more enjoyable on any count than I've ever
>found Marsh.
>
>Since Marsh and the obnoxious Katherine Mansfield are what are a large
>fraction of the outside world thinks of as New Zealand's major literary
>products, this might well put off people reading further, which would be
>their loss if they missed out on Sargeson.  And I don't know a better way
>to counter that than to say right out loud that Marsh is dull, derivative
>crap.
>

My goodness!  Rabelaisan "wit" about "farting" seems to be much
closer to "crap" than the entire Ngaio Marsh canon!  And it's rather
"dull" and "derivative" too.

Readers of Ms Marsh enjoy mysteries.  It is immaterial to them
that she hails from New Zealand.  An effort to pursuade readers
to pursue Sargeson or Stewart would be far more successful if it
were done by pointing out their delights, not by denigrating a   
major mystery writer.

There's room for all genres.

Pat
pmiskel@dan.apgea.army.mil



-- 
Pat Miskelly
pmiskel@dan.apgea.army.mil
From: nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Request: History books
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:14:24 GMT
Reply-To: nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <15204.2b3702cb@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>
>I wonder, do you know of any good books on the period 1776-1790 which might 
>address these two questions:
>
>1)  How many of the europeans in America in, say, 1790 had arrived 
>    voluntarily?  {The endless quibbles about "voluntarily"... I'd
>    really like to know how many were deportees [Georgia
>    had a particularly good stock of these, I think], how many had a
>    choice between these barbarian shores and debtor's prison, and
>    how many were destitute upon arrival}

Don't know of any books (good or otherwise) directly on point, but do
recall that in "The Fatal Shore," which was supposed to be quite well
researched, it was mentioned that the reason the Brits had to start
using Australia as a dumping ground for the unfortunate was because
they could no longer use the American colonies (they having proclaimed
their independence).  Of course, they didn't think of them as being
unfortunate, but as having "inherited criminal tendencies," as I
understand it.  But being descended from some of these same folk, I
think of it as early ethnic cleansing.

Now, what we *really* need is some sort of national database which would
allow us to have on-line access to all the dust-covered PhD dissertations.
Undoubtedly many obscure items like this have been painstakingly researched
by someone seeking their sheepskin in history, or social work, or something
else relevant, if we just know how to search for them :-)


John 
(Definitely *not* a RABworm - perhaps a RABtroglodyte)



-- 
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nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
  "Why yes, as a matter of fact, I DID vote for Hillary!!" - me
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:41:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Just finished this novel (as serialized cookbook) over the
holiday weekend. Sort of a telenovela (Hispanic soap opera) with
echoes of Garcia-Marquez and Isabel Allende. Takes place in
Coahuila (Northern Mexico) and the recipes are great. Diana
Kennedy has a laudatory blurb on the the back. It's by Laura
Esquivel, a Mexican screen writer...
  buen provecho...
-- 
Ted....
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Books in Print is out
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:21:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Am I the only one who gets excited when the new "Books in Print" arrives
in the library?  (And annoyed that *every* damn year the library tapes their
call letters label over the spine right where it tells you the alphabetic
range of the volume?)

(Okay, this isn't much of a message, but it *is* about books.)

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"God does not play dice with the universe."  --Albert Einstein
"Albert, stop telling God what to do."  --Niels Bohr
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: For newbies (was: Re: Project B.F.D. (was: An apology))
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:14:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.231700.22263@alw.nih.gov> don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto) writes:

>wouldn't it be better if we all just got along....


Wotta riot!


--Mike




-- 
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EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion: rec.arts.books.reviewed
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 05:28:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
> . . .. Paul, you seem to be chastising Francis
>for his promotion of a judicious use of "n", "k", and "K". I don't see
>what's the matter with that in the first place.

	I have a very nice article dated 11/25 by the Director of 
	Project Gutenberg with the title:
	"Response to those who complain about having to use the delete key"
	which elaborates on Mr. Morgan's sentiment.
	If anyone wants a copy, just ask me.
	
>. . . enough discussion, put out a RFD, let's put it to a
>vote . . .
>

	Agree, though I would support a rec.arts.books.reviews,
	and scrap alt.books.reviews (I do not receive this last
	anyway, for some reason).  This would at the least be
	bread and circuses, and at the most could develop into
	a Good Thing.  Xposting I do not believe would be a
	problem, since all someone posting a review to both groups
	needs to do is set the followups here.  Very natural.
	This group would be unmoderated.

	And I see that Ms. Henderson has once again voiced her
	distaste for the 'oligarchic' nature of rab.  I was going
	to post a response to the effect that rab is not modeled
	on Republican Rome, and a campaign by some Gracchian
	pretender for Tribune of the People is lost before it ever
	was started.  But I won't. :)

>Keith 

rms
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Hakluyt (was: Re: Morison (was Re: Retrospection of My 1992 Reading))
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:54:41 GMT
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard

msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris) writes:

[...]

> Ahh, you might be just the person I've been looking for. Hakluyt.
> Hakluyt seems to be a source for many of the early accounts of
> voyages of discovery. Unfortunately, Morison's (and Sale's)
> references to Hakluyt left me confused as to whether there is one
> preferred edition or not. I gather, though, that there was at one
> time or another an 8-volume Everyman edition of Hakluyt. My question
> is: Is this the one of choice? Does it still exist, maybe in used
> bookstores?  I certainly haven't seen even an abridgment of Hakluyt
> in bookstores since I've started looking (but that's been only this
> year).

[...]

Hakluyt is fantastic, and it is also a nightmare. I have been working with
the various old English editions for a few months now, and the problem
with them is that their composition varies considerably, and so also
do the texts of the *same* documents sometimes. I haven't seen the
Everyman edition, but I suspect it may be a reprint of an 8-volume
Hakluyt Society edition (I believe there's more than one of these;
plus there are also the 10 and 12-volume ones, let alone the smaller
deals). For the sort of research I am doing at the moment (16th-
century English travels into Russia, Tataria and Persia), there seems
to be no one preferable edition; but if there is a recent edition
with *new* commentaries, footnotes and such, I would certainly like
to hear about it.

Philip Nikolayev
nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Stark Naked
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:33:40 GMT

In article <1hcrknINNktd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) says:
>
>>The _American Spectator_ lists as its law firm "Solitary, Poor, Nasty,
>>Brutish and Short".
>
>	Isn't the Spectator's  a bit clumsy?  
>	Especially since in Gravity's Rainbow
>Pynchon punched it up as Salitari, Nash, De Brutus, and Short
>(approximately:  I'm too lazy to find the exact reference),
>and he wasn't necessarily the first to coin what sounds
>like a staple of college humor magazines, circa 1954.

	More like a staple of English political philosophy, circa
1651.

Keith



--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:16:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Well, I read over 100 books this year not counting technical
tomes; only could I not finish....Susan Sontag's THE VOLCANO
LOVER....true turgid prose...oof!!!
-- 
Ted....
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: need: books on Henri Matisse (was Re: Great gift books for me!)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:02:57 GMT

Fiona Webster writes:
>In a charming wish-list Keith Morgan mentions:
>>Henri Matisse: A Retrospective by John Elderfield

>I'm gonna be makin' a trek up to NYC for the Matisse exhibit in
>early January, and I'd very much like to bone up before I go.
>So, I could use some help in my efforts to _chasser_les_fauves_,
>as it were :-)--that is, some recommendations for good books on
>the subject.  Given the source of the suggestion, the Elderfield
>sounds like a good start (could you say a bit more about it, Keith?).


>							Fiona

I wish I could say more about Elderfield other than it seems
comprehensive, well-illustrated, and got good reviews in a number of
places. I know little about many things but art history is one of the
greater areas of ignorance in my life. I read several reviews of the
Matisse exhibit and then browsed through the Elderfield book which is
why it made my list. I notice by browsing ahead in rab that someone
has made a suggestion that sounds good. I realize that I have assumed
anyone reading this knows that Elderfield's book is the catalogue of
the MOMA exhibit. It's expensive, $75.00, but has hundreds of
well-reproduced illustrations. I did see another book in the stores
that looked worth while: Matisse's *Jazz*,  at about $11.00 it seemed
a bargain.

By the way Fiona, have you got tickets for MOMA already? I hear
they're being scalped at horrendous prices due to the exhibit's
popularity. 

Keith
--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:57:42 GMT
Summary: my habits


I've never liked to mark books, although I did once scrawl
GIANT FUDGE across an explanation of indistinguishability in my
senior physics text, an act from which I still derive satisfaction.

I have, however, developed something of a habit for noting the location of
passages I think I'd like to return to for one reason or another.
I just put a brief phrase with a page number on one of the back pages.
Just the other day I used one of my notations to find a comment
about "the pleasure of doing good" in Dangerous Liasons, apropos
of a dinner conversation.

It's true that there is a danger of fixating on these. I should
probably reread some of my favorites ( e.g. Galileo's writings )
to flesh out what has probably become a somewhat ossified recollection.

I started doing this out of the frustration of trying to riffle
through books to find things. I would often have an impression
of where on the page something occurred, which wasn't always
right, and even if it was, the words don't always jump out
the way I expect them to. I think I went for several years trying
to relocate Nietzsche's "hot toads and cold frogs" ( It's in
the prologue to Zarathustra. )

The drawback with this, as with all notetaking, is that it's
disruptive of the reading itself. Sometimes I think, "Ooh, I'll
mark this one down." but postpone doing so, with the obvious risk
that I might forget about it. Other times I'll get my pencil in hand
and start noting something on every page, but then get tired of doing
it after a while.  The result is a somewhat spotty record, but I
do value what I manage to hold onto this way. 

Lew Mammel, Jr.
From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
Subject: Born in Bethlehem?
Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 13:24:02 GMT

A. N. Wilson says in "Jesus: A Life" that it is extremely unlikely
that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.  Even if one takes everything in
the Bible as literally true, the birth in a stable remains pure
myth.  It is not mentioned in any of the Gospels.
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:37:44 GMT

In article <C074v4.90I@panix.com> mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:

>But why watch TV (especially, for sports) when there are so many
>unread books in piles immediately to hand?

I confine my sports-watching to Usenet. 


--Mike


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