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From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: Photographers On Scene
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:03:01 GMT


MK> Because I wouldn't hesitate to sue your @#&*! for a stunt
MK> like that.

Tell ya what... You don't sue me for accidentally spraying you
at a fire scene and I won't sue you for interference with me
doing my duty and you obstructing me in the carrying out of my
duties. I FURTHER won't tell the family of the patient that you
might have been the cause of further injuries because I couldn't
get near the patient until you fulfilled your rights and the 
right of the public to know and took your precious pix of the
bloody, trauma-filled scene. But if the patient dies as a result
of withheld treatment for the reason stated above, (as in could
not start O2, IVs, stop bleeding, etc.) then you can bet your
@#&*! that I'll testify against you. 
Now, let's cut the hate-filled shit and take a moment to 
realize that 99% of the photographers I know and 99% of the
firefighters I know have excellent working relationships. I
minored in journalism in college myself, and know several people
in both the print and video media. The lousy pay caused me to
forgo a career in journalism. (With a 4-year degree you could 
make a whole $150/week in 1979!  That's worse than firefighters'
pay!) So, anyway, you do your job, I'll do mine, and when I say
to get out of the way, it's for a reason, and not just that I
don't want you to get your story. Bring a telephoto lens and
bright light. We appreciate the extra light! 

-- 
       Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
       Sr. Firefighter (and lots of other titles, as well!)
       Boardman Fire Dept.    Boardman, Ohio
       "It's not just an adventure, its a job!"
From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Bus Acciden in NY
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:19:00 -0800

Ken,
        I read your message on the School Bus collision with the fire
truck from City of Rochester.  It was Quint 3.  No one was hurt
seriously (THANK GOD).  I though you might be interested in the outcome
of the investigation.  Well they have come to the conclusion that BOTH
drivers were partially responsible, and NO charges were filed against
them.



               George vaisey
PS: I live just out side of the CITY and am an Explorrer in LakeShore
FD

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From: Marshal.Perlman@f710.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Marshal Perlman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: What is policy for drivin
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 19:13:00 -0800

BM=->Our departments policy is simple: obey all traffics laws.  We are
not allow
 BM=->to run lights, etc on POVs in Oregon.
 
 NO lights is probably the best way to go I would assume.
 
 We pilots who know know Lifeflight pilots [they fly people for
 transplants etc...not the 911 type where they take you from accident
 to hospital] sometimes have a hell of a dead line to meet...and there
 is no need for speed...its dangerous...you don't rush to the airport
 and you don't rush your preflight...once you get airborne, HAUL
 ASS...but in either case...YOU HAVE TO GET THERE FIRST TO HELP!
 
 
 
 Later,
 
 Marshal
 Non-Vol. Fire Person (but looking into it)
 
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From: Clark.Staten@f140.n159.z1.fidonet.org (Clark Staten)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: bbs #
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 15:43:00 -0800

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From: Tom.Foreman@p18.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Foreman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: driving
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:15:31 -0800

If you let me your mailing address I'll send you some information..
I do Research and Development for local fire department..

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From: Dawayne.Lasiter@f27.n284.z1.fidonet.org (Dawayne Lasiter)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: radio crystals
Date: 3 Nov 92 19:29:00 GMT

need to know price on radio crystals for regency
for regency 4 channel. Need neosho pol    
police,neosho fire, newton county      
sheriff and division of fire safety
thanks Dawayne.
ps. sorry its bee so long since last   
message. been so busy.
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From: Dan.Guenthner@f48.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Guenthner)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: OSHA regs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:56:19 -0800

BU> in OSHA states only. The other 25 have their own employee health and

BU> safety programs with varying degrees of compliance and comparability

BU> with Fed OSHA. 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The varying degree is the federal rule at a minimum and more stringent 
is some of the other areas. They (States) can not have a less effective

rule that the federal. 8-) 
 
 
BU> Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of room for interpretation.  Where

BU> OSHA regs apply, letter of the law compliance in imperative.  The 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
The rules as they now stand are what we call "performance standards" 
they simply state if at point A go to point B for compliance. How you 
get from point A to point B is up to you...as long as you meet the 
"intent" of the rule. 
 
 
BU> trick is to read the actual regulation and comply with *it* and not

BU> the 'recommendations' supplied by well meaning, but often over 
BU> enthusiastic, 'consultants' who always seem to want far more than 
BU> the standards actually require. 
 
You are right in some instances that a private consultant may recommend

a more stringent approach...they ensure they cover their backside. 
Nothing wrong with that at all. On the other hand COMMEN SENSE still is

the best approach...and most of the time you will meet the "intent" or 
"spirit" of the rule. 
 
 
BU> Ditto. <g> 
 
I thought so. 8-)) 
 
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From: Mike.Kregness@f4.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Kregness)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: What Is Policy For Drivi
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 12:29:00 -0800

|BR>  JM>  Just wondering what the policy is for Volunteers driving     
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|BR>  JM>  to the station to respond to their alarm?                    
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|BR> I think it varies from state to state,  but in Indiana a           
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|BR> Volunteer Fireman may exhibit his/her blue light when              
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|BR> responding to emergencies.  All traffic laws must be               
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|BR> obeyed and the blue light is only a courtesy light to              
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|BR> REQUEST the right of way.  This applies when you are               
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|BR> either responding to the station OR when responding                
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|BR> directly to the incident scene.                                    
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|BR>                        -=Bob=-                                     
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From: Ed.McCormick@f150.n2600.z1.fidonet.org (Ed McCormick)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: What is policy for driving
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 13:34:39 -0800

 -=> Quoting Jim Malkowski to All <=-

 JM> Hello All:

 JM> Just wondering what the policy is for Volunteers driving to the
 JM> station to respond to their alarm? 

        Any excessive speed or violations of any driving laws makes
        the operator responsible for his own actions.

        You could say, why hurt/kill yourself or injure/kill
        someone else trying to help someone else....


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From: Jason.Turner@f12.n297.z1.fidonet.org (Jason Turner)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: pre-planning of haz-m
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:15:00 -0800

MR. PHILLIPS. IN CAPS.. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT
TO DO.  IF I WANT TO TYPE IN "CAPS" THEN I WILL DO SO.  IF YOU DON'T
LIKE IT THEN DON'T READ IT.  HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT WHEN YOU TELL
SOMEONE TO STOP DOING SOMETHING, THEY'LL PROBLEY CONTINUE DOING IT, BUT
IF YOU ASK YOU'LL PROBLEY GET FARTHER ENSTEAD OF DEMANDING.  SURELY YOUR
NOT IN AN OFFICER OR YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY OF KNOW THIS.  IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS DEBATE LEAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER, OR FEEL FREE TO
CALL ME.  SORRY MY CAPS BOTHERED YOU SO MUCH, HOPE YOU DIDN'T LOOSE NO
SLEEP.  BY BY AND IT'S ALL IN CAPS......


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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:08:33 -0500
From:         MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Subject:      volunteer vs. paid

 .                           Mike Gilbertson
 .                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
 *** Forwarding note from MAILER  --ALBNYDH2 11/08/92 16:56 ***
 "(Kevin Agard)" <Kevin.Agard@F94.N343.Z1.FIDONET.ORG>
 quotes me correctly :
 I'm Mike Gilbertson, director of EMS for the NYS Health Department.
 Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Utica, Albany, Schenectady, Troy,
 Yonkers,
 and NYC are all served by commercial services, usually with FD
 backup.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
 And comments

 When did NYC EMS get to be a "commercial" service? A paid service, yes,
 but commercial?
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
 Thereby proving that I too can be wrong!  Maybe non-volunteer would have
 been a better choice of words!
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: mutual/automatic aid pacts
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:07:13 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


We are a 30-man paid department with about 15 vollys we actually
use only a few times a year. We have three stations. If we need
more air bottles or more manpower (like the last time an 
apartment complex caught fire - about last January.) we call our
neighboring (paid and volly alike) departments. We have
reciprocal mutual aid agreements with every bordering community.

Stay in the shade!

-- 
       Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
       Sr. Firefighter (and lots of other titles, as well!)
       Boardman Fire Dept.    Boardman, Ohio
       "It's not just an adventure, its a job!"
From: sdclobby@cadmin.Dayton.NCR.COM (SDC Lobby)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: emerg.lights
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: sdclobby@cadmin.Dayton.NCR.COM (SDC Lobby)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corp. Info. Systems & Services Dayton, OH

Fog, heavy rain, snow, daylight are some of the reasons for the need for
bright flashy emergency lights on our vehicles; we are more concerned for our
safety as emergecy responders than appearing like we are trying to put on a
little show.
--
From: bwh1248@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Roof Man)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Incident Reporting Software
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: bwh1248@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

The Hershey Fire Department, Hershey Pennsylvania, has just purchased two
macintosh computers, a IIci and a IIsi, for use in incident reporting and
membership filing.  We are a voluteer, one station department, serving an area
with about 20,000 people in it.  We have also purchased FirePoint incident
reporting software.  So far the chiefs love it.  They are computer illiterate,
so they were starting from the ground up.  With just a minimal amount of
training in the startup of a macintosh, they were able to sit down with the
manual and get going.  So far, so good.
	If anyone's interested, their phone number is 413-253-3773.  With the
fast dropping prices of Mac's, this software is definitely something to look
at.

Good luck,

Brian Heath
PA-NY FF/EMT
From: Jack.Still@p3.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Still)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Incident Reporting Software
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:15:39 -0800

In a message on <Nov 09 17:38>, Roof Man of 1:343/94 writes:


 RM> The Hershey Fire Department, Hershey Pennsylvania, has just 
There is a FidoNet node in Middletown & Hershey.  bbs 948 0212 voice 944
3041

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From: Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: mutual/automatic aid pacts
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 22:27:00 -0800

> Hi I am a firefighter in western montana. I am impressed
> with the
> diverse group of people in the news group.
> Ihave a question for everyone:
> How common are Automatic aid pacts in your area?
> How difficult were they to implement?
> please post all replies to this newsgrp.
> thanks
>
> Peter Efroymson, Firefighter II, FR
> Missoula Rural Fire District
> Student; University of Montana
 
Peter I am a Fire Chief in a small Town just outside of Manchester
N.H... Automatic response is common here. We are surrounded by 4 full
time departments and try to utilize them to the best of our ability. The
first thing I have found is to have a good working relationship with
your area departments. Once you have that you have to find your
priorities.. 1- What is your Daytime coverage like? If you are short
handed during the day you may want the Town nearest you to start an
Engine or Tanker on anything structure related. If you have large
buildings in your Town, and your coverage is poor during a certin time
of day, you may want to think about it.. Its not down grading the
Volunteer department, but it give the members around during the day a
little bit of support... We also let outside Chiefs come into the Town
and aid our officers in the incidents.. It works out well this way,
seeing that we all are using the incident command system.. Good luck...


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From: Mister.Wiggly@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Mister Wiggly)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Freddy the firetruck
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 10:52:00 -0800

Is there anyone else out on the net that uses Freddie the Firetruck
and/or Pluggie the Fireplug robots in your fire prevention/education
programs ? If do, I am looking to swap program ideas, i.e. skits and
other materials used to upgrade our program.
Also, if anyone from FDNY happens to be reading this and can point me
to FF Johnny Ruiz, please let me know. I understand he as a "rap"
program that he uses with Freddie and this sounds extremely interesting
and am hoping he may want to share this program.
Thanks to all
Jim Sheppard
Bucks County Sta 32 (Levittown Fire Co #1) PA
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From: bguest@ateam.ems.cdc.com (Brandon Guest)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Buying your own department (was Re: I stand corrected)
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:43:25 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of Control Data

In article <1992Nov5.143807.9870@news.ysu.edu> af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks) writes:
>
>Ed Shanks (me) wrote about having never seen anyone written up
>for impeding the progress of an emergency response vehicle. I
[stuff deleted]
>way you could just shove the idiots aside and go! Maybe when I
>hit the lottery and buy my own fire department, I'll try it! :-)
>
>Anyway, I stand corrected. 
>
>Standard disclaimers apply.
>-- 
>       Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
>       Sr. Firefighter (and lots of other titles, as well!)
>       Boardman Fire Dept.    Boardman, Ohio

Ed- 

You may be closer to buying your own department than you realize.  We
recently sold an operational 500gpm General Safety rig to one of our
members.  This truck was in good shape and still in use as a brush rig
and for duty at extended salvage and overhaul situations.
Unfortunately, we no longer had room in our station to store it.

The member who purchased it wanted to make sure it didn't end up as a
tree watering rig for some nursery or sod laying outfit.  We jokingly
accused the fellow who bought it of trying to start his own
department.  In the end, he resold it to a retired member.

Why did the retired member buy it?  He's moving up north as part of his
retirement and he intends to start his own department.  Admittedly it
isn't your top line rig; however, anythings better than nothing.

Brandon
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From: Lou.Doucet@f1.n3638.z1.fidonet.org (Lou Doucet)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Firefighters Competition
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 23:42:00 -0800

           ============================================
            **** FLORIDA FIREFIGHTERS COMPETITION ****
           ============================================

      We would like to invite teams from any Department, Union
      Local or Fire Association in the Country or Canada, to Broward
      County, Florida on March 6, 1993 to compete in the 22nd Annual
      Broward County Firematics Competition. The event contains 8
      fire related events and the only equipment you will need to
      bring is your bunker gear. You will not have to compete against
      the local teams as there are two divisions with two different
      sets of trophies.

      The competition will be held at Tradewinds Park, located
      at the Florida Turnpike and Sample Rd, just west of Pompano
      Beach. We also have vendors spaces available for Fire related
      products and an Antique Fire Apparatus Show in which we
      encourage owners to bring them out and compete for trophies in
      various areas.

      We also have made arrangements with one of the local
      hotels for special rates.

      South Florida really has some nice weather in March and is
      a great time to come on down for a competition and vacation.

      For more information on the event or a set of rules call
      Lou Doucet at (407) 736-6836 or write to the Broward County
      Firematics Association, P.O. Box 636431, Margate, Florida 33063.

          **** COME ON DOWN - HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL ON MARCH 6 ****

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From: Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: What is policy for driving
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:42:00 -0800

> Just wondering what the policy is for Volunteers driving to
> the station to respond to their alarm?
 
In the Town of Auburn N.H. we allow Fire Fighters to use lights and
sirens but only after we issue them a permit to do so. Once they are
given this they must obey all laws set forth by the State of N.H... We
allow lights & sirens in "EMERGENCY" situations".. If its a service call
they must go with traffic. I have a complete break down that I can send
you., but it all comes down to Dept. policy.. Good luck.. Bruce 

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From: Ian.Cunningham@f207.n714.z3.fidonet.org (Ian Cunningham)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Disaster/ Emergency management
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:14:09 GMT


        Hi just completed graduate diploma app Sci in Disaster
management 
am interested in this field of management Not the Socialogicaol side of
it as I am an Ambulance Officer and would like to follow this line 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: bc338569@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Brian J. Catlin)
Subject: Re: Hazard Lights On Emergenc
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:34:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University - Electrical Engineering

In article <721505620.F00011@remote.halcyon.com> Bob.Schwiesow@f88.n344.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Schwiesow) writes:
>The best thing that has happen to me with the public getting out of the
>
>way. Was when we made the high beams light flash back and forth.  I
>have
>seen a big impovement with this set up

I set up four police cars and one ambulance to do this.  All of the officers 
have told me how people pull over _much_ quicker with the flashing 
headlights!  The best thing is that it only costed $15 for the parts and 
about an hour of time to do per vehicle.  Now I have all of the ambulance 
volunteers wanting me to do their private vehicles!

I would highly recommend installing these on emergency vehicles as they 
greatly increase visibility.

B. J. Catlin
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: Hazard Lights On Emergenc
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:35:00 GMT


Alternating hi-beams, or wig-wags as we call them, were installed
on our trucks a year or so ago. I agree, they DO make a great
difference. My theory on why this is the case is that we are now
generating a flashing signal at rear-view mirror level. All the
pretty lights, or sirens and horns for that matter, don't do much
good ten feet above the average car. 
Thus the new apparatus is coming with air horns now mounted in 
or just above the front bumper, and sirens the same. As for 
lights, I think the chief or whoever orders the truck ought to
make sure there are flashing lights at passenger car rear window
level. Having lights at eye level on the very front helps with
visibility at intersections, too! :-)

-- 
       Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
       Sr. Firefighter (and lots of other titles, as well!)
       Boardman Fire Dept.    Boardman, Ohio
       "It's not just an adventure, its a job!"
From: Richard.Shankman@f53.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Shankman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Pre Fire Plan Software
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:54:00 GMT

LD>         I would like to take a look at your demos as we are in the
LD>process of looking at new software at this time.
LD>                                                   Thanks

Lou,
  Message received, and will do ASAP.

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