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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
In-reply-to: jamesr@Autodesk.COM's message of 18 Nov 92 18:14:47 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:50:41

In article <17952@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
> I dug up an old article that Steve R Jacobs sent out.  I'll quote it.

Ack!  Old post coming back to haunt me :-)

>> Last week I posted a question that involved playing head-up Texas
>> hold'em against a player who holds AD AH.  With these two cards
>> and the two cards held by the opponent removed from the deck,
>> there are 1,712,304 possible 5 card boards that can be formed
>> from the remaining 48 cards, and each of these boards have equal
>> probability of occuring.  The number of boards that result in
>> wins, ties, and losses for the AA hand are listed below for
>> several opposing hands.
>>  
>>             1712304 possible boards
>>             -----------------------
>>    other       AA      AA      AA       AA    AA     AA     AA 
>>     hand      wins    ties    loses   %win   %tie   %lose  %gain
>>  
>>    AC  AS     37210 1637884   37210    2.17 95.654   2.17   0.00
>>  
>>    6S  5S   1314307    6415  391582   76.76  0.375  22.87  53.88
>>    7S  6S   1315168    5499  391637   76.81  0.321  22.87  53.93
>>    8S  7S   1315602    5030  391672   76.83  0.294  22.87  53.96
[etc]

>  Pretty cool eh?

I'd like to think so :-)

> Here Steve is doing, for just a few examples of hands, what I was
> talking about.  If you carried the idea far enough and ranked each
> of the `52 choose 2' possible pocket starters against each of the others
> and then averaged the results for each hand you might get an overall
> idea of how the hand can stand up in general.
>
> Simple no?  I'd like to know how Steve generated this table, computer?

Abacus.

Actually, brute force programming.  It took about 10 minutes of CPU time
for each pair of hands, which is why I only did a few cases.  Since each
player can have 169 different starting hands, there are about 29000 cases
that can come up in a two player game.  That is a lot of cases to handle
at 10 min. a pop.  A complete analysis will require a much more
sophisticated program (yes, I'm working on it, but I don't expect results
for many months).
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Don't worry, I just have these harmless pocket rockets...."
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: poker payoffs and pseudo-random
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:07:46 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


	I have two questions. 1) Does any one know what the odds are on
a video poker game, the payoffs?

	2) I received a computer game called Casino Master. I is okay,
my question is this. Is there a difference between real blackjack random
play and the pseudo-random play in this or any computer game, how good
is the simulation?

It seems tough to win on this game, tougher than in an actual casino.
If nothing else it is good practice for card counting. One thing about
this game, it rounds off wining bets. Example- if you bet $5.00 and get
a blackjack, it pays you $7.00 instead of $7.50! Strange, not that tough
to program with cents.

Thanks,
Ken
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: AC Info
From: <B5D@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:53:30 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I've been reading this group off and on and see very little, if anything,
concerning Atlantic City.  I plan to be there from the 30th of this month
through 3 December.  I will be staying at the Sands.  I am interested only
in Black Jack and where the better places to play are?  Last time I was there
(about 5 years ago) I stayed and played most of the time at Bally's.  I
liked it there simply because it wasn't as "glittery."  Also, I did OK!
Any advice will be appreciated.
Thanks..Bill
From: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.hou.tx.us (Jack Mcgee) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Trip report - Dubuque
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.hou.tx.us (Jack Mcgee) 

KLW>I forgot to mention that the Casino Belle is leaving next April to go to
KLW>St. Charles, Missouri (west northwest of St. Louis on the Missouri River).
KLW>Apparently Missouri passed a referendum allowing casino and/or riverboat
KLW>gambling. Does anyone know what the limitations there will be (e.g., bet
KLW>or loss limits)?

Kerry, Missouri allows $500 loss limit, and I know that the bet limit is
a lot more than $5, I think there is no limit (or $500).  Local option
was passed in St. Charles and St. Louis, and possibly others.  There is
a small section of the St. Louis riverfront where they will allow
permanently docked casinos.  The rest will have to cruise.  Gambling
only on the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers.  St. Louis and St. Charles
will have to compete with casinos in East St. Louis and Alton, both in
Illinois, where there are no limits, except those set by the casino
operator.

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From: oconnor@i88.isc.com (Tom O'Connor(Genesis Project))
Subject: RE: Net Poker Server Problems
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:51:23 GMT


>	I am in (in a manner of speaking) the current Hold'Em tourney
>	here on the net, and until yesterday things were fine.
>	I didn't get any poker mail from the server yesterday (I know
>	our table is slow, but _no_ mail is unusual).  I sent requests
>	for a hand update and an overall score last night, and I got
>	mail error messages in my mailbox this morning (something about
>	unknown address or something...).
>	
>	Anyone else had these problems??? Any clues???
>
>	-Jim

Yep, we on table 8 are experiencing the same thing - errors from the mailer
at the server end saying the "Fork function failed - too many processes exist."
I and others have sent mail to the floorman and to one of the addresses
from which instructions were sent, but nothing has happened.

Just when I was going to bet a thousand, no 3 thou..., I mean go all-in!
Yeah, and so were 1, er 2, er the ENTIRE table!  Yeah, that's it.  And my
hole cards plus the up cards were giving me a straight, er a flush,
yeah a straight flush - and it was Ace high!!  A royal flush to clear out
the entire table!  That's the ticket!!  I was gonna win the entire tourney
on that hand and get a trophy from ah, ah, .... from Kathy Ireland!!

Tom O'Connor
Member, Liars Anonymous
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs Penn State
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:11:01 GMT
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

In article <1e9h1tINN5m8@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I just want to thank the person of persons who gave me advice on the
>Notre Dame,Penn State. I just want to say that I went ahead and put $1000
>on pen state, instead of notre dame.

Whew!  Good job "reversing" that pick, fella.  Just in the nick of time, too.

On the other hand, try not to print dollar figures next time, as irs.com may
become a little too interested in your future postings.  :-)  Stick to
"unit" notation like the BJ players do.  Or else use a pseudonym.  :-)

>Does any body have a early line on the Cal - Stanford- game this week
>"Big Game".  

The early line is Stanford -3.5 over CALIFORNIA.

And while I'm at it, here are some other early college lines of note.

(Home team in CAPS)

Favorite     Line  Underdog

Michigan     7.5   OHIO ST (opening line was 9)
Miami        6     SYRACUSE (opening line was 7.5)

(Pac 10 stuff)
Usc          8.5   UCLA
Oregon      13     OREGON ST
Washington  14     WASH ST
ARIZONA      6     Arizona St (opening line was 8)

and for a 49er fan like yourself,

49ers -6.5 RAMS, total 43

Hmm, lot of home dogs above...

Jim
From: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: RE: PLAYING DOUBLE-UP IN
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 

-> I spent several days in LV this past Christmas using a roulette
-> technique called the "Rabinowitz sub-sampling method".  Put simply,
-> if you use your 36 number sample size as a "base" or "foundation" for
-> the normal distribution of the random number intervals, you can
-> accurately predict certain series or "combinations" of numbers under
-> certain circumstances. For example, take a regression analysis of a
-> 12 number random
-> combination:
->       1,8,0,8,27,19,00,10,11,32,24,1
-> now take the mean of the sample size (11) and plot a regression line
-> BACKWARDS (not forwards) from the x axis.
->       Now, look for outliers in your plot.  For example the 00 does
-> not
-> fit the pattern.  Remember that your regression line will be
-> y=BoX,B1X1,...BiXi.

Can we please move all roulette theory to the "jokes sub".  There is no
roulette theory.  You bet $100, you win 94.40, that's the only numbers
you need to know.  Gotta go, my psychic is on line 2.
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Sports Betting FAQ
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:15:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Hello fellow Gamblers


I read somewhere on the net that some one could give me some info on sports 
Betting FAQ , I was wondering if some could give me a copy of it this week
before the college amd ProFootball begins this week,




Thanks,

Gambler

"I always break even never win"
From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Sands Hotel scaled back LV expansion
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:00:18 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Summary: Sands Hotel scaled back LV expansion
Keywords: Sands Hotel scaled back LV expansion

Copied from Investors business Daily,11/17 reprinted 
without permission.

LAS VEGAS(AP)  Sands Hotel owder Sheldon Adelson says he is scaling
back plans for a major expansion at the Strip resort because of a
changing economic climate and concern about possible overbuilding
here.  

Adleson is chief executive of The Interface Group, which produces the annual
Comdex computer show in Las Vegas.  The show, which began yesterday
and runs through Friday, is expected to draw some 130,00 people.

Adelson bought the Sands for $110 million in April of 1989 and said
he'd spend $150 millino on a one million-square-foot convention center
and a 1,300-room tower at the famous 40-years-old property.

The Sands Expo and Convention Center opened in 1990 with 
575,000 square-feet.  But the rest of the convention center and
the tower plans have been put on hold.

Adelson said the financing market is not what it was in the
1980s, and the financial community is concerned that major
new projects in Las Vegas may glut the local hotel market.
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From: oconnor@i88.isc.com (Tom O'Connor(Genesis Project))
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Trip Report - Joliet, Il Riverboat
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:19:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Nov16.191901.9303
Distribution: usa
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL


For their 35th wedding anniversary, my brothers and sisters and I took our
parents to dinner and then went to the Empress Riverboat Casino for a couple
of hours of gambling.  Going on Sat night, the 9 pm boat was packed.  There
were only 3 $5 tables, about 6 $10, and the rest were $15 - $100.  All
craps tables had $10 minimums.  I think every table was dealing out of a
shoe - 6 decks I believe. By taking a "prime time" trip, it cost us each $18 
to board.  We'll have to go back for their 9am weekday $4 cruise.  Drinks were
$1.50 for beer and $1 for soda.  They even had a cigarette girl - why she kept
stopping at the "No Smoking" tables is beyond me.

After finding no $5 seats open, my brother Bob and I sat in at a $15 table.  We
recognized one of our dealers as a woman that dealt for us at the Rio back
in Sept. and amazingly she recognized us.  Bob did well, I was playing even
quite a while, then went down and finally got up over my buy in by 50% and
cashed out JUST before the table went arctic on everyone.  One guy at the
table was betting $50 consistantly, and made a nice profit on a split followed
by double-down on both splits.  My biggest hand was splitting 8s vs. 4, got
another 8 and re-split, followed by stands on 10 and 7, then the 4th 8, another
10 and another 7.  Dealer turned over a 10 and drew to 17.  $80 bet and I get
a push!  We had good players, though one guy did split 7s vs and 8, got another
7 and 3 lousy hands and got a break when the dealer busted.  One guy was a
regular on the boat, and easily made $500.  Dad sat in late in the trip and
got hammered.  Rules were DOA, DAS, H17.

Did play a little craps at the end, but with $10 minimum plus odds (only
single odds allowed) I had more out than I would in a Vegas game unless the 
able got hot.  Only excitment there was a hard 8 winner with half the table
having bets on the hardway.  All the tables were busy throughout the trip.

The slots and video poker were pretty full, but my brother & brother-in-law
each won on the dueces wild machines.  Too bad my folks didn't win, but it
does sound like this trip may have encouraged them to go back to Vegas
next week.
From: jpn@maxwell.genrad.com (John P. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Not the Monty Haul problem
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:09:29 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxwell.genrad.com

>Something that's been bugging me.

I don't think this kind of question is really appropriate here.  But
I couldn't resist answering anyway...

>You're given two envelopes and told that the contents are determined
>randomly, except that one has twice as much money as the other.  You open
>one envelope and find 1 unit.  Now, you're given the opportunity to either
>take the unit you found, or give it up and take the contents of the other
>envelope.  What do you do?

>Answer 2:
>Well, the other envelope has either .5 or 2 units.  Since there's a 50%
>chance of each of these, you'll come out with 1.25 units on average as
>opposed to sticking with the single unit, so you should switch.
>
>What's wrong with one (or both) of these answers?

#1 is correct.  It doesn't really matter if you switch or not.

I believe that #2 is fallacious because of the way you are using
"units" to cover a logic flaw.  The "unit" is not the same size,
depending on which envelope you chose first.  By assuming that they are
the same size, you incorrectly weight the expected value of switching.
In reality, you have an equal chance of either winning an additional
unit or losing one unit.

The expected outcome of this game is:

(50% * 1 unit) + (50% * 2 units)    = 1.5 units

If you switch, the expected outcome is:

50% * (2 units / 2)    +     50% * (1 unit * 2) = 1.5 units.
           ^                            ^
	   |                            |
started with 2, halfed       started with 1, doubled.

Answer #2 would be correct if your opponent would double or half the
amount you have on a random toss of the coin.  Then you have
independent random variables.  It would be to your advantage to
continue this game as long as possible, since each time you flip a
coin, you multiply the expected value by 1.25.

-- 
     john nelson (jpn@genrad.com)
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Parlay Cards
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:11:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I have a question concerning parlay cards in nevada. Lets say that the 49ers
are favored by 6 points, if they win by 6 points do you win or lose?

Or do they have to win by 7


Do all ties win or lose in nevada?


Please someone give me the answer
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Playing Double-up in roulette
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:54:51 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <3BPguB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes:
>I spent several days in LV this past Christmas using a roulette technique 
>called the "Rabinowitz sub-sampling method".  Put simply, if you use your 
>36 number sample size as a "base" or "foundation" for the normal 
>distribution of the random number intervals, you can accurately predict 
>certain series or "combinations" of numbers under certain circumstances.  
>For example, take a regression analysis of a 12 number random 
>combination:
>        1,8,0,8,27,19,00,10,11,32,24,1
>now take the mean of the sample size (11) and plot a regression line 
>BACKWARDS (not forwards) from the x axis.
>        Now, look for outliers in your plot.  For example the 00 does not 
>fit the pattern.  Remember that your regression line will be 
>y=BoX,B1X1,...BiXi.
>        Using this forecasting method you can accurately predict, within 
>three sigmas (99%) the outcome of the next pattern or "series" of 
>numbers.
>        At the Riviera I was asked to leave due to my winnings and the 
>fact that my laptop and bubble jet printer spilled over several of the 
>other gamblers drinks and ashtrays.
>        For details on the Rabinowitz and other regression style roulette 
>forecasters please leave me a message.
>
>        Happy gambling!
>
>s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario


	I'd like more info on the Rabinowitz method.

	It requires a computer?

	Please tell me more.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Subject: Centigram Quad X5 Matrix
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:49:37 GMT

My newsreader has crashed twice in the past week, losing all messages
each time.  Has anybody yet posted the Centigram Quad X5 Matrix method
as applicable to roulette?  There has been enough talk about it that
I'd really like to see what it is all about.

Thanks.


Without change,                         *David Barber*
   nothing can ever get better.            @}-->----

UUCP: ucsd!crash!dbarber
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From: ahmcs@world.std.com (Alan H Mintz)
Subject: Re: Lo-roller trip report: Sycuan, San Diego, CA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:25:52 GMT

erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:

>texas holdem (incl. a hi-lo game or two) and something called 'kill' texas
>holdem (what is this?)  No omaha, no lowball, but today (11/22) they supposedly
>opened a whole new cardroom so maybe they will have more games now.

A "kill" game is one in which, after winning two pots in a row, the limit
doubles and the "killer ' (the one who won the two pots) must post a
live blind at the new limit. If he continues to win, the game stays
at the higher limit. If he loses a pot, it returns to the standard
game. For example, in a 3-6 kill in which you have just won 2 pots,
you must post a $6 blind and the limits become 6-12. You also become last 
position on the first round (before the flop), meaning you have the last
option to raise. In practice, at least in the games I've been in,
"the pot is killed" about 10% of the time. The net effect is to 
incite "action". It also makes it a somewhat "bigger" game (with the same
rake, I might add), meaning you should come equipped for 4-8 at least
if you play 3-6 kill.
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mbn@skeletor.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Odds
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:33:36 GMT

>>>>> "renie" == Renie Maycon <49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM> writes:

renie> Does any body know the odds of the 49ers winning the superbowl this
renie> year?  Did Vegas already post odds on who will win the world series
renie> in 93, who are the longshots to win the world series and what are
renie> the odds

49ers 4-1

Marlins 1000-1
Rockies 1000-1
or Angels 100-1 among non-expansion teams

renie> Does any body know thy odds of the Golden State Warriors winning
renie> the NBA Title this year?

Warriors opened at 8-1 but are currently 10-1 (Marciulionis injured)

These from the Flamingo Hilton, Reno, as of 10/27/92
--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Playing Double-up in roulette
Date: 17 Nov 1992 05:58:54 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

In article <MBN.92Nov16162453@skeletor.hf.intel.com> mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com writes:
>>>>>> "don" == Don Delgrande <Don.Delgrande@launchpad.unc.edu> writes:
>
>don> In article <dbarber.721441839@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>don> Assuming you're playing a wheel with 0 and 00 (BTW, does anybody know of
>don> any casinos in North America that have roulette without 00?), you should
>
>Top Deck of the Cal-Neva (Reno) has single 0 roulette.

Bill's in South Lake Tahoe had single 0 roulette last time I was there (a yr
or so ago), anyone know if it's still there?

---Sean

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:51:10 GMT

In article <17967@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
[discussion of the relative merits of pocket card rankings by Sklansky
and Malmuth versus figuring it out for yourself deleted]
>Hey, Steve, why don't you bail us out of this hole we're digging
>ourselves into! I'd like to hear your views. :-)

Laugh and the world laughs with you, take on Zimmers and you're on your own!

-- 
s/Martin Veneroso
slick@netcom.com
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