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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:25:14 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Stone Crazy
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Leonard, re: yesterday's exchange on Buddy live vs. studio--I would advise
you NOT to re-buy the Damn Right I've Got the Blues CD; actually that is pretty
weak (except for one tune, can't remember which but it might be the last one on
it, the tribute to Stevie).  The best studio Buddy Guy album is Stone Crazy;
it's a 1981 Alligator re-release of a 1979 French recording (Isabel--SAME PLACE
that just put out the Alone and Acoustic CD; they're good), and Phil Guy,
Buddy's brother, also plays guitar onit.It is the closest you'll get to live;
he
does I Smell a Rat, etc.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:20:50 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: Tuck & Patti
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Who is Tuck & Patti?  I have never heard of them.

Eddie Armstrong (aisarmstrong%ist%vmi@ist.vmi.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:04:00 CDT
From:         CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET
Subject:      More Santana

>Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:21:44 EDT
>From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
>Subject:      Re: santana phish
>
>
>>>Sounds good!  I just hope the singer doesn't open his mouth too often...
>>
>>Russ
>
>       Does anyone know who is singing on this one? How 'bout it
>cmv?

Gary,

   I don't remember the names of the vocalists (I actually returned the CD
the day after I bought it -- that's how poor I thought it was), but if
memory serves, there were a few different vocalists featured.  Also, I don't
remember a single familiar name among the musicians.  I'm not saying that's
bad in-and-of-itself, but the music didn't do anything for me with the
exception of two instrumentals.  Unfortunately, there were only three (or
four?) instrumentals among the ~70 minutes of music.

>I know it wasn't one of his most popular albums, but I have to
>admit I liked _Zebop_ for the most part, even after reading that
>comment about his early '80s stuff.

   I'll admit I was over-generalizing about all of his stuff in the 80's --
_Zebop_ wasn't bad.  My biggest problem with _Zebop_ is (as usual) the
damned vocals.  If I recall properly, Alex Ligertwood sang on that one, and
he annoys me to no end.  We've had this discussion before, but Leon Thomas
was probably the only vocalist I remember him working with, who I could
stand for any length of time.


      bye,
      cmv ("give me _Welcome_, _Caravanserai_ or _Moonflower_ anyday")
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:50:33 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Country music issue finally resolved!

From a response to my aside about polkas, we can now settle this country
music debate in an E-Z 3-step program, designed by Michael:

    1) Get some Irish musician to play a Nashville hit
       (How 'bout Van Morrison singing Achy Breaky? U2 performing Where Are
        You Now? Sinead O'Connor crooning The Happiest Girl in the Whole USA?
        The Chieftains... oh, never mind.)
    2) Have Brave Combo cover a Haggard or Tammy Wynette song
    3) Michael Bloom will automatically declare it to be World Beat
           and pronounce it cool.

   Ouila! Problem solved instantly.
   Rick
   :-s
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:34:47 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Before Ice-T...
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Rick,
  I guess I should learn to keep my mouth shut huh?
           Coll
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Cure your wish

        I think the ghost will still haunt us for a while.
        The body where he seems to live goes by the name of Robert Smith, and
this guy still leads a band called The Cure. Probably (at least on this side
of the ocean) no other band in the late eighties has had to swallow such an
amount of venom as The Cure were forced to assume: most of it came from the
press - "you're all fake", "it's just plastic music", "all you care for is
money".
        I've never been able to subscribe to this point of view, and I am even
less after the last album "Wish".
        There is a sort of disturbing emotional damage in Smith's songs. Gui-
tars seem to flow like hot concrete through the record (except for a few quie-
ter numbers), and the voice always seems about to break or give up - or, again,
if you like, to reveal something which shouldn't be exposed.
        My bandmate stepped in the studio late yesterday night, and I had this
music pumping in the P.A.; he listened for a couple of minutes and then asked
whether I was planning to hang myself up and therefore getting sort of spiri-
tually ready ;)... I said no, but I also said that if I woke up one one morning
to find out that I don't "feel" that kind of music I'd really start to think I
*am* dead. Well - apparently I'm alive this morning.
        So, if you are more attracted from a shadowy room (does it rain, out-
side?) than a noisy crowd, let me recommend you The Cure's "Wish". It may keep
you company.

        Ciao, Marco

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"'Why why why are you letting me go?' she said
 'I feel you pulling back, I feel you changing shape'
 Just as I'm breaking free she hangs herself in front of me
 Slips her dress like a flag to the floor
 And, hands in the sky, surrenders it all.
 I wish I could just stop,
 I know another moment will break my heart
 Too many tears, too many times, too many years I've cried for you
 It's always the same, wake up in the rain, head in pain
 Hung in shame, a different name, same old game
 Love in vain
 And miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
 Away from home again"

                "From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea"
                (with no lyrics sheet - sorry for any misteak... ;) )
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:19:18 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion
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              "crispen" at Jul 29, 92 1:55 pm

re: "finding inner peace and not being able to rock and roll."  Bo Diddley,
let's say, and Bach have in common being religious and total rockers.  At least
in the world of Black music, there is no problem with "having the spirit" and
"getting down."  Of course, within certain traditional realms of Black culture,
there is a deep and old divide between religious life and the "devil's music,"
but many creative musicians blast right down the middle of that contradiction.
One great example (but there are many) is Johnny Copeland....at a blues show
a year ago he moved from the blues straight into (in a way) "church"... I
could go on and on about that show, it was the best live show I've ever seen
(and honeylemmetellya, I've seen some doozies)---even though it started
really slow and we were thinking..."uh oh..."  I guess I better stop here, I
tend to get worked up about this stuff.  Well, let's just get it said re:
various recent exchanges on the solar plexus, the metabolism, as the way music
affects you: IMHO all great music (that includes EVERYBODY's definition, i.e.
regarding your personal solar plexus, not mine.... to clarify, any music YOU
think is GREAT fits what I am saying here) is religious in the sense that it
MOVES you, you "transcend" your daily ordinary crap.... OK, flame me for this
nonsense (my son would--I'm sure glad he would never consider joining this
net).
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:03:10 EDT
From:         "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject: Re: Dave: Reggae
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	HI,

	I too am an avid reggae fan. I'm leaving for the SPLASH on 8/1. I am psyched. I
 play in a reggae band in Albany,NY. Some of my favorite artists are:

	Marley
	Tosh
	Lucky Dube
	Pato Banton

Since rap is a current thread, what do you think of dancehall(This is Jamaican
 rap. I believe the US rap movement started with this type of music). I'd like
 to know what other people who are unfamiliar with reggae think of it. I'm
 wondering what sort of p
reconcieved notions people (non-reggae heads) have of reggae.
				dave
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Subject: Re: Thursday's oh so sad
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:45:29 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92073008260662@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET writes:
>   First a question for all you jazz fanatics out there (and you know who
>you are).
>   Has anyone seen and heard the videotape _The Coltrane Legacy_?  I'm
>trying to decide whether to order it, but considering the quality of some
>of the audio that you get with Rare Footage (tm), I'm hesitant to plop down
>$30 for it.

I have it.  Considering that you cannot see Trane live anymore, it is a
good deal.  The quality is decent enough, there are at least two
different sessions.

Cop it!

Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:15:15 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      B'HAM (IRON TORTOISE)
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m B'ham... do you know Davey
Williams, LaDonna Smith oJimmy (can't remember his last name, might
be Johnson) down at Charlemegne records?  They used to play up in
10 years I was there!  Lemme know!

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:07:25 EDT
From:         "Philip R. Lucasse" <s0000162@CALVIN.EDU>
Subject:      quit subscribe
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Please take my name off of your subscription list,  thanks.  Lois Smits
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:56:49 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Johnny Shines

Glad to see you mention J.S. his last years were spent here in alabama
and i got to hang out with him several times very interesting stories
he could tell, he never got the regonizition he deserved, maybe
billy ray will mention him as an influence and his sales will skyrocket
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Subject:      MORE FOR DAVID
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a0GlRe yer inquiry:


}Yeah, I had a couple of questions. First, I've looked at your tape list... man,
}you sure keep busy! Which tape would you recommend to someone with a
}rock & roll background? Please bear in mind that I like all kinds of music,
}but my "professional" experience is R&R (bass player in 8 bands over 16 yrs).
}Second, I see you lived in Olympia, Washington, for awhile (stationed at Fort
}Lewis?). We visited Olympia a couple months ago and I really liked it. What
}was it like living there for you?

}David


YEA, busy IS the word, David... but I'd (MUCH) rather be busy than bored...
& tho' I ENJOY Korea, there are very few folks (that I've met) here who
understand the principles (or lack thereof) involved in free/improv music;
ergo, LOTSA mail collabs & my little 'zine... add it all up, & I'm (FINALLY)
havin' FUN!  That's after 24 yearz or so of rovin' the world in the military
just basically tryin' to stay in the zones where it warn't required to
SHOOT anyone... managed successfully, & SOMEDAY that'll merit a BOOK, man!

R&R background?  I imagine you'd REALLY get yer rockzoff on any of the tapes
I've done with Mark Kissinger, in particulate "Critical Mass"... that has
LOTZA guitar & some rock/jazz riffs that'll liven up an afternoon 'o brewz!
There's also the tapes I've done with H. Mark Vale, which are more in the
direction of Tangerine Dream, or so the reviewers say... 'course, I think
they're ALL pretty good, but I can see where one might think that's a little
callous... & it prob'ly IS!

Olywa?  Magickland, man... when I (at LAST) get to REALLY retire, it will be
up THERE... that was my third assignment OUT from retirement, & I was really
startin' to stretch the limits on my poetry/improv... the artist's groups
there were SUPERB at th' time, & I don't think I've ever had MORE fun in my
life... politics has changed that to some degree over the yearz, but it's
STILL a mecca for open minds... some say the area has a bunch of majick rocks
that pull in good vibes (or something along those lines)... wotever it is,
there are artistic opportunities there that'll blow one AWAY!

So, now that I've expounded, I'll be lookin' forward to an order for a tape
or two... & if yer REALLY into it, order 'Improvijazzation Nation' #6, due
out in September... 20 pages, jam-packed, only $1.50 per copy!

THANKS fer askin'!

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: *Very* tangential OMC

David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET> said (about 10 days ago - sorry, I was on
holiday...)

>  What record ever killed or injured a kid?

        Possibly none. Or possibly many - it depends on the point of view. All
I know is that in Italy we have a singer who is a typical product for kids and
adolescents, completely built up and musically repelling, and the marketing
strategy for him is to let people believe he's desperate and torn by every pos-
sible fact of life. Believe it or not, he sells a million records at every al-
bum. He plays the part of the emotionally damaged, nothing else.
        The point is that last year 5 (yes, FIVE) boys under 16 committed sui-
cide leaving notes reading that they were "too put down by that singer's mu-
sic". Of course, these kids had problems. Of course, the government should not
care about this. But I assume that there is something wrong in products which
are *deliberately* made to offend, provoke or disturb. And this is doubly
wrong when the target is that of kids.
        I know for sure that some years ago a modern artist had proposed a
TV show to BBC where he should appear naked. In a picture his penis was sort
of "half-up and half-down": believe it or not, BBC consultants spent HOURS
trying to give a coherent definition of "erection". If that was an erection,
censorship, otherwise free broadcasting. I don't know how the thing finally
ended, but this should show a principle: if "offense" becomes a mere challenge
to a concept, it is enough to re-define the concept. Sordid as this may sound,
it is so. And, not only it is sordid, it is simply ridiculous.
        I otherwise agree that all this is not any government's business. But
when I see teachers who are thrown out of school, here in Italy, because they
refuse to wear shoes (yes, weird, but does THIS hurt the kids?), and at the
same time I see Catholic priests who are well-known maniacs and spend their
lives making dirty proposals to 10-years-old girl go unpunished I can't help
but think that we've lost any possible sense of any possible limit.
        In music it's the same. Unfortunately, governments will censor inno-
cents and let criminals go free, as always.
        I consider this discussion closed, anyway. I just thought I'd throw
my 2pence in - so don't bother to reply!

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:20:04 EDT
From:         Jon Copeland <JRCOPELA@SUVM.BITNET>

OK, I hate to do this because it annoys the hell out ofme when others do it but
I see no other option. Does anybody know how to get off of this list. I have
tried the signoff allmusic command (sent tothe listserv address) I get a note
that there is no record of me being on the allmusic list! All the while I am
getting 100 messages a day. Something is screwy. I have tried sending a
message to the list manager. No response. So this is a last ditch effort.
HOW DO I GET OUT OF HERE????
                            -Thanx, Jon
i
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:40:06 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What do we HEAR? [was: RE: The Lamb...]
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              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." at Jul 29, 92 9:43 am

I will before long be (illicitly) hearing some Peter Gabriel and I am going to
deliberately refrain from comparing him to Chuck Berry and see what happens.
Last night in an effort to open my hears I turned on THE BLITZ (local hard rock
station) and I actually heard something I thought was wonderful... I had no
idea what it was (radio DJs are opposed to letting you know), so after many
calls I finally got thru and found out it was Ted Nugent, Stranglehold.  What
incredible guitar lines, moved along like "air sculpture" but never in a
hurry, rich sound but still some space in it (I thought the Black drummer's
comment about knowing when not to play is really good).   But most of
what I heard on that station was SO BAD...often you'd hear some fantastic
guitar work (that rusty raucous rhythm stuff--best part of hard rock), then
the vocals would DESTROY whatever the guitar had just created.  This is why
I've
always given up so quickly on listening to this kind of station...the vocals
are pathetic.  They play like men, sing like pinhead boys...
 Marco, your post on the Spent Poets made me want to actually buy them.
 MHB, I listened to Hard Road last night so I could hear Peter Green again--to
get the anti-Fender point of view--and yes, that's some really tasty guitar as
they say; only trouble was, not enough of it!  Mayall is great, but his ego is
so big he DOESN"T KNOW WHEN NOT TO SING--he should have given Green more room.
My husband told me last night that Peter Green at some point disappeared into
the Children of God street people, but then emerged and is back to playing
again.
 Leonard, the Tuck and Patti album is called Tears of Joy.
Finally, Leonard had mentioned yesterday a Black friend who didn't like Muddy
and was "ashamed of the music of his ancestors." Here's what (then) Leroi Jones
had to say about that:
But this is one of the weirdest things about the American experience, that it
can oppress a man, almost suck his life away, and then make him ashamed that he
was among the oppressed, rather than the oppressors.
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Subject: POLL!!! Best unsigned Band

Pretty self explanitory...im looking for good unsigned bands.
Send the name, style of music, city, and an address for the
band(if you have it). Thanks.

                   Doc Holiday
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:52:43 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." at Jul 28, 92 8:34 am

re: Peter Gabriel--what seems to me most interesting (rather than my epithet)
is that I just can't "hear" what's going on in that stuff... so it seems
without even recognizing what the music was (since I'm obviously not into that
type of music), I could never attach it to a particular name to remember who
was playing... My only memory of having heard it (beyond my husband's remark,
reminding
me) is of frustration... it was lots of sound that seemed very "empty" to me,
just "stuff"---this post is not intended to specifically defend my opinion,
because I agree that one of the joys of the net is sending your views of what
is/isn't trash out into the ionisphere; rather, I think it is interesting to
consider just how much our...[what is it exactly? more than taste, I guess our
prevous listening habits, our...sensibility???] affect what we "hear."  In
other words, Peter Gabriel comes on and I really can't HEAR that!  It's as if
I'm from another planet and come across radio waves from earth, and all I hear
is gibberish.  So the interesting question is how we can get beyond this.
Maybe this also has a little to do with Alva's post on what types of music
certain types of people are "supposed" to listen to...  We can get stuck in our
own little boxes...but it's sometimes hard to break out.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:52:15 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      crazy thought

This is just a crazy thought that i had to throw out. I wonder what the
possibilities of us netters getting together and picking a record that
is/was nor overly popular and telling all our friends (and ourselves)
to purchase this record and with the wide scope of the net i wonder
how far up the charts we could push this record. I'd be great to really
pick a dog and propel to the top. What are your thoughts ? crazy huh
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:14:38 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ya boneheads!

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:49:35 EDT Tim Johnson said:
>
>  Drummer, you insensitive Pig!  Zappa was a great musical
>figure.  What the H*ll is the matter with you?  Show some
>respect for his memory.  Geeze.  I hope you get flamed to
>a crisp for this.
>
>                 -Tim


   Yes, I am the "List Asshole." If you don't like it, bite me.

   It is just that this is the second round of wrong Zappa news.



                                         - Drummer -
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:34:03 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Testing

Just wanted to see if I'm still getting mail. . .My terminal hasn't beeped
for almost six hours--that's unusual for ALLMUSIC (I usually get mail at
least every half hour).

Could someone let me know if this got through?  Or has everyone pooped out
from the censorship discussion and all's quiet on the computer front?
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