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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:29:32 GMT

egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>[...] I don't think Rollie will have such an easy
>time academically at UNLV as at Villanova.  Generally the players at Villanova
>were very intelligant and articulate.  [...]
>UNLV's teams have always had true basketball talent [...]
>Most of the time, athletic ability and
>intellectual prowess do not go hand-in-hand.  

And white men can't jump.  Yeah, yeah.

Come on, we're not talking about "intellectual prowess" here -- this
ain't Harvard.  We're talking about telling your recruits up front
that you expect them to go to class and do reasonably well.  We're
talking about letting your players know who they answer to -- the
university, not the boosters.  Simple things, nothing fancy.

You don't need a SAT score of 2000 to maintain a C average in
Undergrad Studies at UNLV (or at Villanova, or at Harvard).  You just
need to have a minimal commitment to your studies.  I just think that
Rollie will make sure that his players have this commitment.

To me, the big fight that Rollie will have on his hands is not with
the players but with the boosters.  They won't like it if he starts
giving up on some high-profile recruits "just because" they look like
they won't study.  And they will still try to give the players cars
and cash, and he will have to step in and stop them.  And then they'll
threaten to cut their donations and there will be a power struggle.

But I don't see any reason why UNLV under Rollie cannot be as good as,
say, Georgetown or Michigan.  That should keep everybody happy, both
at the university and on Gucci Row.


--Gidi
From: currie@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The 3 Best of All Time
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:47:44 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Apr8.222150.5896@newstand.syr.edu> mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley) writes:
>
>	The SU - Villinova 1980 Big East final that went into
>triple overtime was a pretty good one.
>
>-matt

What was the score?  49 - 48 or something like that?  :)
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: U-Dub international airport
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:56:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In an interesting development in the investigation of Washington men's hoops
coach Lynn Nance on charges of racism, Maurice Woods, son of the parents
who made the accusation has decided to stay and play baskteball at the
U-Dub.  The report from the committee doing the investigation hasn't been
released yet, but rest assured I'll let you know as soon as I find out.

Redshirt sophomore Trent Cornelius also announced that he will be back next
year.  Cornelius's parents were the only parents (besides the Woods) to
back the allegations of racism.  If you are keeping score, here is a list
of the players from last year and where they are headed.

Sr. F Doug Meekins ran out of eligibility.
Jr. C Rich Manning will be back.
Jr. G Brett Paggett will be back.
Jr. F Chandler Nairn will be back.
Jr. G Andy Woods was asked not to return. (Walked on--no scholarship).
Jr. G Quentin Youngblood was asked not to return (retains scholarship). 
TR. F Martin Keane sat out last year.  Will have 2 years eligibilty.
So. G Tim Cavizel is transferring.
So. G James French is transferring.
So. F/C Maurice Woods will be back.
Fr. F Trent Cornelius will be back.
Fr. F Mark Pope will be back.
Fr. F Scott Didrickson will be back.
Fr. F/C Jason Bond is transferring.
Fr. G Bryant Boston will be back.
RS. F David Hawken will be back.

The athletic department at the U-Dub has not announced any recruits for next
years team.  A quick glance at the list above shows that the team is 
critically short of guards and needs another quality center.  On the other
hand, there looks to be an abundance of forwards.  If I had to hazard a guess,
you might see Scott Didrickson playing some shooting guard next year.  He
is 6'7" and more of a perimeter player.  Since Nance plays a lot of match up
zone, his lack of quickness isn't as much of a liability on defense.  His
ball handling skills are quite suspect however.

Please God, let there be a quality JC guard out there who has always wanted
to live in Seattle!

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *  Earn cash in your spare time!
University of Washington      *  Blackmail your friends.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:12:06 GMT

SNOSZB@vm.sas.com writes:
>I said that this Duke team, on the basis of their accomplishments (primarily
>in the NCAAs), is the best in ACC history.  You can talk about '81-'82 UNC, but
>they won 1 NCAA, not 2 (BTW, I was a rabid UNC fan then so bias ain't a fact-
>or).  Their players have done fantastically well in the NBA, but I'm talking
>about COLLEGE accomplishments, not NBA; go to the other newsgroup for that.
>One thing: with the talent that Dean had from '82-'87, he should have collected
>at least 2 championships in that period.  Hell, he's still a great coach,
>although only 2nd best in the state now %) <-- smiley not really needed

>As for the WolfPack in '73-'75, they truly had awesome numbers, but I was about
>oh, 6 years old then so I wasn't exactly watching a lot of ball then.  And,
>either way, they didn't go back-to-back so it's a moot point.  Using the fact
>that they were on probation and weren't eligible open that "What If..." can of
>worms that usually leads to fruitless debate.

	Well, then since U didn't see the '73-'75 Pack teams then that means
	they can't qualify for one of the best ACC teams ever?  Please.
	The fact that they didn't go back-to-back because they didn't go on
	probation doesn't take away anything from their accomplishments.  Just
	because a team happened to perform greatly under probation takes away
	their accomplishments?  Just because a team didn't win the NCAA title
	does not mean they aren't a great team.  Take the '85-'86 Duke team
	for example.  The team was #1 almost all season, lost only 2 games
	during the regular season, swept the ACC regular season and tourney
	titles -- but just happened to lose to Louisville by 3 in the
	championship game (couldn't tie it up in the closing seconds because
	there was no 3-pter back then!).  IMHO -- that was the best Duke
	team EVER -- better then this year's championship squad.  

	Jazzy J
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From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: O'Neal
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:28:10 GMT
Distribution: na

> 
> How did Ferry manage to be shit in the NBA? Too slow, and didn't 
> work enough on his game. Laettner will not make it at his current level.
> He has to improve a lot to make it with the athletes in
> the NBA.

Athletes like Larry Bird of blazing speed and kangaroo-like leaping ability? :)

Ken
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Predictions for Next Year
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:26:35 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


Just a few of my personal thoughts for the future of college basketball:
(1) The Fab Five will never make it back to the Final Four.  They've
certainly got the talent (obviously) but I don't think it'll happen.
Just a gut feeling.   

(2) Chris Webber will go pro after next year.

(3) Duke will not return to the Final Four next year. (Please let me be
wrong!)

(4) Indiana will win the Big Ten.

(5) Cincinatti will never be heard from again.

(6) Sam Cassell will flunk out of school and FSU will finish fourth in
the ACC.  If he stays eligible, they will tie for first with Duke or
UNC.  

These are just my gut feelings, which have been unusually reliable this
year.  So if I maligned your favorite team, don't take it personally.
I'll probably go 0-6 on these...

- Rob
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From: small.caltech.edu!adair (Brian A. Adair)
Subject: Player of the Year
Originator: adair@small
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: World
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:30:12 GMT

Laettner is a true chump.  Grant Hill is the man that got Duke there.
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From: bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:48:55 GMT

In article <44643@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartigse@fe521.cc.purdue.edu  
(Scott Hartig) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.185344.14073@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>  
bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
> >It  is  difficult to tell whether this is a permanent suspension.  The  
> >implication in the newspaper story was that it was permanent.  If so,  
that  
> >would free up  a scholarship, although to whom it would go is a  
mystery.   
> >Besides, who's out there worth giving a scholarship to?  (aside from  
> >Harrington.)
> 
> I don't know if that's good or bad news, but Pat was not
> on scholarship, so..to bad.

Sorry if I passed along inaccurate information.  By the way, what is the  
limit now on scholarships, 12 or 13?  If it is 13, Indiana still has one  
more to give.

JB
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From: jsp@cs.Princeton.EDU ()
Subject: Fibonacci Pool -- the winning picks
Originator: jsp@head
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:13:32 GMT



jns@jughead.webo.dg.com         Jane_Usenet
(114 points)                    (109 points)
-----------                     -----------

Duke                            Duke
Kansas                          Kansas
Indiana                         UCLA
Ohio State                      Ohio State
Arkansas                        Arkansas
Oklahoma                        Indiana
Kentucky                        Kentucky
UCLA                            Oklahoma St.
Oklahoma St.                    Arizona
USC                             USC
UNC                             Florida State
Missouri                        UNC
Florida State                   Oklahoma
Arizona                         Seton Hall
Georgetown                      UMASS!!!
Michigan                        Michigan
LSU                             Missouri
Alabama                         LSU
UMASS!!!                        Cincinatti
Iowa                            Alabama
Seton Hall                      Michigan State
Connecticut                     Georgetown
Cincinatti                      Syracuse
Nebraska                        DePaul
Louisville                      St. Johns
Wake Forest                     Connecticut
UTEP                            Iowa
Georgia Tech                    Georgia Tech
Houston                         Wake Forest
Michigan State                  UNCC
Tulane                          Houston
Iowa State                      Louisville
DePaul                          Iowa State
Texas                           Texas
New Mexico St.                  Memphis State
S. Florida                      Nebraska
Princeton                       Princeton
Syracuse                        UTEP
Stanford                        Evansville
UNCC                            Tulane
BYU                             New Mexico St.
Evansville                      Pepperdine
Temple                          BYU
ETSU                            Stanford
St. Johns                       West Virginia
West Virginia                   S. Florida
Murray State                    Temple
Campbell                        La Salle
La Salle                        SWMoSt
Fordham                         Delaware
Old Dominion                    Miami-Ohio
Robert Morris                   Montana
SW La                           SW La
Montana                         ETSU
E. Illinois                     Murray State
Howard                          Fordham
SWMoSt                          Old Dominion
Delaware                        E. Illinois
Memphis State                   Robert Morris
Pepperdine                      NE La
NE La                           Campbell
Miss. Valley St.                Georgia Southern
Miami-Ohio                      Miss. Valley St.
Georgia Southern                Howard
From: bdlaugh@athena.mit.edu (Corn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1987 Iowa Hawkeyes
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:27:35 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr4.101756.12985@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) writes:
|> 
|> >The person who brought up the 1987 Hawks got me thinking that that team
|> >included 7 (I think) players who have appeared in the NBA at one time or
|> >another in the last few years.
|> 
|> 	[bunch of NBA players listed]
|> 
|> 	Good list.  However, if anyone out there knows, what happened to
|> 	some of those other players on that team?
|> 
        (List of several former players deleted)
|>
|> 	Kelly Westin
|> 

You're kidding, right?  

And I can't believe everyone has forgotten about Dicky V's favorite "Sixth Man"
that year: 

           Jeff Moe

Anyone know what ever happened to him?

|> 	Jazzy J
|> 
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:22:22 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>>Excuse Me??????   How exactly does one have a Final Four team that 
>>plays like crap????   They were certainly one of the best teams in the
>>country that year and lost on a last second shot to the eventual 
>>champions (Michigan) in the semi-final.  You may have a point on 
>>some of the other years but not with that team.

>Because that team was incredibly talented, more so than Michigan and
>should have won it all. The only recent team that compares in talent
>was the UNLV team with Augmon and Johnson and maybe Duke this year.

	Actually, that Michigan team was no patsy in terms of talent either.
	Here's what U have from that team:
	F - Loy Vaught -- #1 pick of the LA Clippers, and a key bench player
	F - Terry Mills -- #1 pick who ended up in New Jersey ; bench player
	F - Glen Rice -- #1 pick of Miami Heat ; starter and emerging star
	G - Rumeal Robinson -- #1 pick of Atlanta Hawks ; starter
	G/F - Sean Higgins -- #2 pick; plays for Orlando Magic
	G - Demetrius Calip -- played briefly for the LA Lakers
	F - Mark Hughes -- was on the roster of the Detroit Pistons

	certainly could compare to the roster of the Illini.

	another team that might compare -- LSU 1990:
	G - Chris Jackson -- #1 pick of Denver Nuggets ; key player
	C - Stanley Roberts -- #1 pick of Orlando Magic; emerging star
	C - Shaquille O'Neal -- #1 pick of ???; former POY
	F - Vernel Singleton -- probable NBA pick
	G - Mo Williamson -- still in school; probable NBA pick
 
>4 of those starters played in the NBA - 3 are still playing in the NBA 
>and I believe were 1st or high 2nd round picks (Nick Anderson, Kendall
>Gill, and Kenny Battle). Bardo is playing in the CBA currently.
>Anderson and Gill are averaging nearly 20 pts. a game in the NBA.

	Anderson, Gill, and Battle were all 1st round picks.  In addition
	to Bardo, Larry Smith is also in the CBA, doing quite well.
	Anderson and Gill are future NBA-All Stars IMHO.

>Anybody who favorably compares next year's Illinois team with that one has
>recently ingested a gunny sack of LSD. Next year Illinois will do no better
>than 4th or 5th in the Big 10, which will be stronger than this year.

	Next year's Illini will be decent.  With the probably return of
	Kaufmann and the addition of Richard Keene and Chris Gandy, the Illini
	should finish around 4th (behind Indiana, Michigan, Iowa -- in that
	order).  However, this season should be a preview to next season,
	when everyone but Kaufmann and Brooks Taylor return -- and the Illini
	will hopefully add Rashard Griffith to the roster.

	Jazzy J
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From: nsg@svl.cdc.com (N S Gupte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky News & a little Duke stuff
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:16:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.40659

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>Pelphrey scored 17 last night at the Portsmouth pre-draft camp on 7-11          shooting. I really don't see him fitting in anywhere except Europe. He's
>a fine basketball player and a real team oriented guy, but his POW        
>physique makes him of questionable utility among the Steroids R Us crowd
>in the NBA.


I think Pelphrey could make it with some NBA teams despite his
width. I see him being a Jeff Hornacek type, good shooter and
passer, some size for rebounding and defense and most importantly,
he is a team player which sets him apart from ~75% of the NBA
players(i.e. Barkley, Ewing, Dominique, etc.) .




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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:29:36 GMT

cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes:

>The Hawkeye fan that wrote this should really do his homework first.
>IN the late 70's and early 80's, Iowa had better recruitments from Chicago
>than Illinois. Illinois Mr. BB like Michael Payne who went to IA would not
>even come to Champaign for a visit. 

Maybe Lou should have tried the Bruce Pearl scam with Payne.  Deon Thomas 
did not take a recruiting visit to Iowa City.  Pearl simply announced 
to the newspapers that Deon would attend Iowa at the IL/IA game in Champaign.

Most papers carried the 'information' as fact.  But Thomas never told any paper
what his choice of schools would be. And reporters who questioned his h.s. coach,grandmother and mother did not fare any better.  So fans were 'shocked' when hechoose Illinois. 

Except for Illinois fans.  Who knew that Deon's former h.s. teamates Nick 
Nick Anderson and Ervin Small were still on the team. That his girlfriend was
at ISU and wanted to switch to UI.  That his mother and grandmother wanted him
to choose a school close to home so they could see him play. That Chicago was
still on a high from watching the 'Flying Illini' go to the final 4.  Oh, but
I forgot.  According to some posters, Illinois' 'great disappointment'  in 
the tournament should have scared recruits away.  Do you think Coach Huggins
at Cincinnatti will find that true this next recruiting season?

Those were recruiting Illinois's pluses. Iowa did have scholarships available
too.  Marble, Horton and Armstrong were a tremendous senior trio.  I thought
they would contend for the league title, but they didn't.  Thomas probably 
noticed that too!  They won one game in the tourney and lost the next.  This
on a team with three seniors who now play in the NBA. And possibly others.  
Once again, whose team underachieved that year?  

Those three had spent the summer getting medical treatment for chemical
dependancy, not exactly the kind of story which attracts recruits.   The
Norby Walters sports agent trial took place in March 1989 in Chicago.  
Former IA running back Ronnie Harmon testified that he accepted money 
from agents his senior year at Iowa.  He played the entire year but had been 
ineligible (under B10) rules) because he hadn't made any progress toward
graduation.  When Iowa administators learned of the impending testimony,
they started checking grades for a change.  Poof!  Suddenly Ray Thompson
of the basketball team is ineligible for the spring semester. However I 
think he played in 1 or 2 games that spring anyway as the administrators
didn't find it until they were tipped by Harmon.  Ray left the team,
& dropped out of school, going back to Chicago area (Argo H.S.).   

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand why 
Thomas choose Illinois.  But you do have to be awake.


john althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown)
Subject: Tarkington new Spurs coach!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: IUCF
Distribution:  na
Date: 16 APR 92 10:44:16    

  In yesterday's press conference announcing Jerry Tarkanian as the
new head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, the teams owner (can't
recall his name - some good 'ol Texan) said he was pleased to have
Coach Tarkington as his new coach!! Damn, I hope he's better as a 
bball coach than he was a Superbowl QB (don't get me wrong - I think
Fran was an excellent QB!) and a TV personality (That's Incredible
co-host). :-) Good luck Shark!!

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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:03:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: asuvax.1831
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> Where the hell does CBS get its numbers?  Or does fudge-Packer think he
> knows everythings and pulls that crap off the top of his head?

     Fudge-Packer?  Hmmm.  I had thought
University of Wisconsin to be a little more
progressive than that.

     Do people talk about niggers and chinks
there too?  Just curious.

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