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From: monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor)
Subject: Re: commodore support
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:15:05 GMT

In article <92244.220011EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I have a friend who has an A3000.  Well, about 2 months after he bought it, it
>broke! (something with the chip controlling the mouse????)  He sent to to his
> local dealer to get it fixed.  It seems that the big C= has some policy that
> if a computer is under warranty and breaks, they just change the entire mother
>board.  Unfortunately, this occured durring the famed power-up program, during
> which A3000's were selling wonderfully, and so, A3000 motherboards were in
>severe back-order.  My friend (after about a month of his computer being the
> "shop") called up the dealer to ask if they had received a shipment of motherb
>oards yet.  They told him that they had not and  that if he wanted to know when
>a new shipment would arrive, he should call Commodore to ask how far backed up
>they are.  He did call up Commodore, and they flat out told him that they don't
> know.  They were as I understand very rude and no help whatsoever.
>
>Great support!

That is the support of his local store...here in Sacramento I know of one store
that would have switch motherboards with one in the store so their customer 
would not have to wait.  Happy customoers mean more business!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:22:17 GMT

>It seams with a lot of these new RPG (which I happen to like) is that is 
>just adding more of the same without putting anything new into the genre.

	I would say Ultima Underworld is pretty inovative.

>If you used to fight one group of monsters to get to a new piece of puzzle, 
>having to fight 10x as many groups doesn't make the game better in my 
>opinion.  I suppose with big hard-drives, the ultimate aim is to fill 'em up.
>But I digress...
>
>Raw CPU speed is necessary for simulators, but fast graphics are needed to 
>display the results.
>
>What my original posting should have said "why couldn't they port 
>software using the new AA modes".  The basic engine would be the same.  I 
>think most software is written in C.  I don't believe much software is 
>programmed in machine code/language on the IBM. 
>
>G.Greene's reply (not a flame) was leaning more towards what is available 
>today, not using tommorow's technology (or should it be in 8 days 
>technology).

	Lets wait and see what Commodore releases and at what price its
   gonna cost.  If the AA chipset machines are priced like the 040 A3000T,
   not many game software compaines are going to support the AA chipset.
   
							G.Greene

>
>Jim Fang.
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:41:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>btw, I bet Enforcer will work RSN :-)

	According to Carolyn Schepner (I hope I spelled it right) of
CATS, there is an 040 enforcer that will be available to
developers soon, ie it's working now, it has to be shipped.
Don't know about the rest of us.

--Andre

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:35:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.040227.22073@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>The AGA chips do support 800x600x8-bit graphics, according to all reports.

Yes, but interlaced.  ECS supports 800x600 too (under 2.1), but it
is also interlaced.

>-- Gerald

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  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:16:47 GMT

In <1992Sep6.195754.28910@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>the user a choice of a few ugly colors.  In the text mode, CGA did
>support 8 colors plus 8 more when the intensity bit was set.

Ah, ok. Then my 15 colors were limited to text mode. (Only 15 since
black + intensity still resulted in black).

>programming PCs, but use the Amiga for image processing.  The goofy
>non-square aspect ratio really sucks when you are trying to draw
>something that is going to be displayed on VGA/SVGA.

I personally never had problems with non-square pixels. But then I don't
draw my pics but compute them. Distorting images for different aspect
ratios and resolutions is part of our standard software.

>the Amiga's monitor to display sqare pixels, but it means living with
>the half-line flicker.
Try BlackBorder to get rid of the half line (or use PAL).

>I'd bet that AA is going to be superior to SVGA except for displaying
>really high-res graphics.  However, if there is ever a SVGA LocalBus
>standard, the Amiga may not look so hot even with the AA chipset.

Hmm, not so sure. LocalBus has some potential but everything above AA
is currently expensive.

>I just hope that more software will support it.  There is still a
>tendancy for many applications to open their own screen using the
>size and depth that they want.  The end-user should have ultimate
>control over this, not the application programmer.  Also, every

Yep, but more software also clones the workbench settings. 2.1 gives
lots of opportunities to use the users preferences. But you are right,
there is still a lot of work to do (for the app programmers).

Regards,



-- 
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                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: WOC - A4000 - sunga rattef
Date: 11 Sep 1992 12:47:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Summary: finally!


Well, I'm sure the net is going to bombarded with similar messages
describing the new A4000, but what the hell! :)

25mhz 040 (processor module)
2 megs chip (max)
up to 16 megs fast on MB w/simms
os 3.0 (on hard drive I believe)
4 zorro 3's 3 AT slots
IDE HD interface  (Boo!)
same sound        (Hiss!:)
same resolutions as ECS
256,000 colors from 16.8 million 
Don't quite know what it means, but 'Hardware Scan Doubling' (flicker fixer?)

The A4000 config sheet list the following machine:
A4000 040/120
6 megs ram
3.5" 1.76 meg high density floppy
120 meg IDE HD
94 key keyboard
2 button mouse
AmigaDOS 3.0

I'm surprisingly depressed, considering it is a pretty nice machine. I
guess I wanted a sound upgrade(DSP), and SCSI. Otherwise it is right
on target.

BTW, for those who doubted Sunga Rattef(I know, fatter agnus), the 
mouse and keyboard ports are on the back left of the case, which is
the size of the a3000, but shape of a2000.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: About Advocacy
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:50:36 GMT

Michael Bromery writes:
> [...]  I absolutely hate comp.sys.amiga.advocacy now.
> It sucks rocks because it has been taken over by everybody except
> amiga owners who just come right along saying, your machine sucks.

Time for some history lessons.  Advocacy was created to keep the following
discussions out of _all_ other net groups (not just c.s.a groups):

1) Oft-repeated debates, rumors, wishlists and flames about the past,
   present, future of Amiga-related products, and/or of Commodore itself.

2) Debates about what makes the Amiga superior/inferior to other computers.
   Without outside opinions/corrections, these would be meaningless.

> Don't they have anything better to do? I don't see a bunch of amihga
> owners going to comp.sys.ibmpc or something and flame them.

No, not now.  But before advocacy existed, it was EXTREMELY common for C=
fanatics to go into other net groups and promote the Amiga (unfortunately
almost always by insulting the owners in the other groups).  So for years,
ALL Amigans had to suffer from a VERY bad reputation caused by just a few
jerk owners.  Part of advocacy's purpose is to keep tons of such crap out
of other groups, and it's been very successful at this (thank goodness!).

Listen up.  There is no more useless endeavor than to post complaints about
the content of this group (altho we all do it from time to time :-).  Either
don't read advocacy... OR please do something potentially useful: contribute
_your own_ related info and opinions.  This isn't meant as a flame, but as
friendly pleading for more interesting threads :-)

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>

PS: I had to take several other amiga groups off the newsgroup distribution
line.  Please everyone: watch out for cross-postings!
From: Berry_Shin@lppl.mi.org (Berry Shin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: AGA in 3000 posible!
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:23:05 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

I see that the controversy over the AGA chipset fitting in the A3000
continues.  Most of the  posts I have seen proclaim "Heck no, they just
won't fit.  Stop your whining and moaning!"  Well, for those who haven't
seen it, Dave Haynie proclaims that it is possible.  With due respect to
Mr. Haynie, here is his post in its entirety:

[From    ] Daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (dave [MSG 566 OF 630]
[To      ] All                              [Reply To 511]  [Has Reply 592]
[Date    ] Tue 15 Sep 92  4:35
[Subject ] Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:39:57 GMT
<1992Sep13.061657.12557@nntp.uoregon.edu> <92257.115643JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>
<1992Sep13.173427.20118@nntp.uoregon.edu>
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
 
In article <1992Sep13.173427.20118@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu
(Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <92257.115643JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
 
>>Not pin compatible but what about installing it on a ZorroIII Card or
through
>>the CPU slot.  
 
>>   I don't think so. The AGA aren't just plop-in chips, folks. That's why
>>Commodore put them on the motherboard of the A4000. 
 
>AA (AGA, Pandora, whatever) chips could live on the expansion bus with
some
>tweaks to the graphics support software.  Such a card would of course have
>its 
>own Chip RAM, and wouldn't necessarily be accessed by take-over-the-system
>software (eg, going through the OS would be mandatory, of course).  You
would
>need Zorro III to get A4000-class CPU access to such Chip RAM.
 
-- 
>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See
>Yet)
> "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX:
>hazy
            > "We're not hitchhiking anymore, we're riding" -Ren Hoek
 
Ok, I think I've taken up enough bandwidth already :)


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Berry_Shin@lppl.mi.org.
From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (mr_scary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies 
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 10:02:37 EDT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

MNB>From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
[some stuff deleted]

MNB>   BTW, I am talking about dealers, where Amigas are sold at higher than
MNB>normal prices in order to provide service, and where both Amiga hardware
MNB>and software is sold.  I am not talking about mail-order houses and I am
MNB>not talking about K-Marts and Toys-R-Us's.
        Read: "I mean I'm talking about dealers who charge more that the
worth, so that I can keep making derrogatory statements about it being
to expensive.  See how it works, I can twist whatever I said into
another argument to keep myself (in my mind) from looking like an
idiot".   ANYWAY, when did K-Mart or TRU start selling Amigas?  The
number of dealers may be moot soon.  Any dealer of any size who has even
had a passing desire to sell an Amiga here or there can get them through
Merisel now.  If people go in most any dealer an ask for the machine,
and tell the dealer they are sold through Merisel, I don't know any
dealer that would turn them away if they were serious.

MNB>   What I want is a better Amiga.  I can more honestly call myself an Amiga
MNB>pioneer than 90% of the people who flame me for my messages.  I got my firs
MNB>Amiga in March of 1986, only a few months after it started hitting the stre
MNB>There are probably plenty of people at Commodore who ahve not been using
MNB>Amigas as long as I have.

No, what you want is to complain endlessly, as has already been
repeatedly illustrated.  The fact that you have owned any Amiga longer
than people at Commodore means nothing.  Some of them are probably
trying to do something to help the platform, unlike you who seem
hellbent to kill it.


MNB>---
MNB>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
MNB>--------------------------------------------------
^^^^^Who else could have posted that?

Chris Hurley:   mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us
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From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: POLL : NEW MACHINE according to .advocacy
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:02:03 GMT
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <AHANSFOR.92Sep4105637@wpi.wpi.edu>, ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
>	<1992Sep3.164943.1097@msus1.msus.edu>
>Sender: news@wpi.WPI.EDU (USENET News System)
>Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
>Lines: 22
>In-Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU's message of 3 Sep 92 16:49:42 -0600
>Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
>
>>>>>> On 3 Sep 92 16:49:42 -0600, lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop) said:
>lkoop> Well, if you in fact did know what was going on in terms of new
>lkoop> hardware (legally) your NDA would prohibit your making such
>lkoop> statements.
>
>Please, the POLL asks for everyone's opinion based on what ever source
>they have.  Please respect this as this what the original poster
>provided. Developers are not necessarily on the fast track either. I
>have heard conflicting information from some developers (granted I
>have no way of checking if these people have legitimate access to
>developer information).  
>
>Please, remember the point is to see if our collective knowledge comes
>close to what will be introduced if not release.  This poster could be
>right, C= can show whatever it likes Friday, and if things in West
>Chester have just blown up, C= might NOT show AA machines at WOC.
>
>So please refrain from flaming answers to the POLL.  If you disagree
>fine, post and be counted.

   I was not intending to flame anyone with those comments.  I was merely
responding to the original poster's remark of what he "DID know".  If it
seemed I was flaming the poll or opinions being given, I do apologize.  Such
was not the intention.

                 ----------------------------------------
           LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
 Internet: lkoop@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu -OR- f00012@kanga.stcloud.msus.edu
              "You mean you want MORE lights on this thing???"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.074729.14214@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.145526.22235@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>[ ]
>>Because his comments were chock-full of lies.  For example, the part about
>>the 8MB PC only having 550KB of usable RAM.
>
>That's not a lie +/- 50k depending on your memory manager. You simply don't
>have more than 640k of real RAM (unless you use OS/2 or Unix, which is another
>story. OS/2 does not support MPC's yet, and Unix is better run on a NeXT, for
>example. I defy you to point to any evidence that DOS users have more than
>640k of memory without going the extendor route.

I've gone through this before on c.s.a.a.  I don't defend it, just point out
that Amigans don't have >600K 'real' program coming out of their ears,
either.

The things (like in GAMES) that takes up the most room - sound and graphics -
can be loaded into the non-640K RAM.

But that is an extender, but is useful until OS/2 or NT takes hold.
Or PCs run fast enough to run fast games under Windows.

>Philip McDunnough
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu


--
Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
" BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES BUSH! "
        -George Bush, '92 Republican nomination acceptance speech
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:11:24 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep10.012740.3385@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> I kinda like Silent Service II. Gunship 2000 is supposed to be neat  

    Any idea what the difference is between Gunship 2000 and Gunship?
    Elite and Gunship are my two all-time favorite games.

> Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
--
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***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 08 Sep 92 17:40:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep6.222313.25793@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>If one does not like interlace flicker on their Amiga then they can
>>get hardware to fix it. It's cheap and you can fix ANY amiga to solve the
>>interlaced video flicker "problem".
>>
>
>How much does it cost?

Last time I looked a flickerfixer was about $250.00. Since I have an
A3000 I don't check thses prices very often (the A3K has it built in).

Ian.
-- 
/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
/* I want my 32bit chip set	*/

From: kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:53:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Shakeout in PC Industry Continues
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy



About a year ago one of the PC Rags (can't remember which one) had a 
rating of the quality of PC's based on repair records. Guess who was at 
the bottom of the list. You guessed it, PACKARD BELL. I guess those good 
deals aren't always good deals!

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      | Hewlett Packard Firmware QA | HPDesk: Kevin TADDEUCCI /HP5300/A0 |
      | Telnet: 794-4192            | HP Mailstop: 2LR-N                 | 
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodore Announces CD Solution Promotion
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:37:52 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Sep11.044343.12374@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep10.225740.1795@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>>[please, don't make me repeat any of that, ok?]
>
>As you will all remember, long ago I predicted that when Commodore
>announced the "buy an A3000, get a free CDTV" promotion, MB's immediate
>response would be a minimum of two full screens of complaining and
>whining.
>
>Once again I have demonstrated my omniscience, omnipotence and
>omnipresence where MB is concerned.

   Some prophet you are.  When Commodore makes a bad decision like this, of
course I am going to flame it.  This policy sucks.

>-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
>580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
>Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
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---
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--------------------------------------------------
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY'S TRUE DANGER REVEALED!
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


Mike Haas on USENET life:
>>>PHASE 6 "...CDTV is dead..."

>Quoted from <torrie.715668061@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> by torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie):
>>   So it would appear you're well-entrenched in Phase 6 then Mike?

In article <jbickers.0f5a@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>    Seems to me from that article that he is actually in the humor
>    phase.

	YaaaaAAGH!  The most DANGEROUS phase of ALL!!!  (Trust me... I
know....) :-)

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dannie@coplex.com (Dannie Gregoire)
Subject: Re: The Reason Why A3000 Owners Are MAD!
Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:33:44 GMT

kennyl@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Kenny Leung) writes:

>After a great deal of thought, I've decided that the reason Commodore PET
>owners (like myself) are pissed about non compatible AGA is that we spend
>the extra damages on the PET so our machines could be upgraded. Everything
>is 8bit except the cassette tape.

>Now after spending mucho mulanda, we find our machines to be tossed ...
>(A PISSED-OFFed PET owner :-)

You're not half as pissed as the 4 function Commodore calculator (1974/75)
owners like myself are.  I've had to live with the same crappy 10 character
LED display for 18 years!  When it was purchased I dreamed of the 
infinate upgrade possibilities....but no...never even saw the LCD upgrade.
And nw the keys are beginning to stick...I want a refund!!!  By way of 
inflation I figure I'm due about $950.  You'll hear from my lawyer!
--
Dannie J. Gregoire
dannie@coplex.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy