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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:13:47 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Russ's voice

Russ writes:
>
>I contribute much of my lack of singing ability to the fact that I was
>told that "you can't really sing, why don't you play this percussion thingy"
>in grammar school.  So I didn't sing *at all* for some 20 years.  Bastards.

Russ, I'm sure you know by now that I believe that anyone can be taught/
trained to sing, at least on pitch. Most people confuse the "ability to
sing" with the subjective quality of each person's voice. There are many
people who can keep pitch, follow a harmony part and blend into a chorus,
but who simply do not have what the current musical scene considers to be
an attractive voice. Similarly, there are people, including both of my
ex-boyfriends, who never learned to carry a tune vocally, who have lovely
tonal quality to both their singing and speaking voices. You CAN sing, you
just don't think you can. Agreed, you may never sing a solo at the Met, but
you could be trained well enough to sing in the chorus....

I'm sure I'm inviting lots of comment here - I welcome it!

Marsha, who some people continue to insist has a decent voice quality....

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:19:00 CST
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Subject:      The Prisoner (Herbie Hancock)

I wrongly assumed that Speak Like A Child (1968) was Herbie's last album for
Bluenote before he switched labels in the late 60's or early 70's, but I just
discovered The Prisoner (1969) listed in a record guide, and it said that it
was on Bluenote. Anybody know if this is out on CD yet, and how is it? Any
tunes on there that he also did with Miles?

Secondly, a more general topic. I have yet to purchase or hear a Bluenote CD
that I wasn't completely satisfied with, and I'm starting to think that (at
least for what they pick to rerelease on CD) Bluenote is the "perfect" record
label - well, obviously this is only as far as jazz, and I suppose I should
also say that I'm limiting myself to Bluenote stuff recorded before say, 1970.
I'm sure there are some real klunkers in the last couple of decades of stuff,
and especially the 80's and 90's.

In fact, I suppose I should write to Bluenote and see if I can get one of their
catalogs, if they even have one. Do the "majors" even have any catalogs?

My question is this: Has anybody encountered a record label that they feel is
nearly perfect in their artistic output? I know that somebody on this list
feels this way about Enigma. (At least I think it was Enigma.) Does anybody
(hey Beer!) feel the same way about Bluenote in the 50's and 60's?

Maybe the question might best be put this way: If you were stranded alone on
an island, and you could have the complete catalog of only one record company,
which one would it be and why?  :-)
                                                      Tom "Buck-Naked" Buck

P.S. to Jeff Beer: What are your top ten "Desert Island" CD's. Even include
vinyl if you like. And no, you can't include The Complete Plugged Nickel or
Miles Plays Classic Ballads, or Miles and Coltrane - Stockholm 1960, so pick
something else if you wanna have any Miles with you. :-)
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:42:06 -0700
From:         Terrence Michael Drozdowski <6153@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Greetings

Well, I'm new here also (gee, someone must've granted a whole school
access, huh?).  I've been reading the list, but have not been able to
reply and have missed some areas where I really wanted to, but watch out,
I'm able to now...  I'm 19 and I'm into the techno/industrial scene along
with alternative.

Out of curiousity, how many cities have an alternative radio station under
the name "the Edge."  Phoenix does, and I know that Las Vegas and Dallas
do, do any others?  Just curious....



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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:28:46 EST
From:         Eric Dennis Wincentsen <267@ef.gc.maricopa.edu>
Subject:      RE: Butthole Surfers


Does anybody out there kow if the Butthole Surfers are ever going to get
around to touring Southern Ontario somday. I would cut off my left testicle
to see them live, since my right one is perfectly functional on its own.

        Also, if anybody has info on any future releases by these guys, please
send it this way.

                                        eGHEAD :-)~
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  I saw them when they were at Compton Terrace in Chandler (a city
southeast of Phoenix...in the same valley) when the first Lollapalooza
concert came through. They were the second group on, and it was 110
degrees outside, with no shade. The sound was terrible, too. Needless to
say, I didn't think much of them in concert. If I saw them at a club I
might like them better, though...

                      Eric Wincentsen
                      267@EF.gc.maricopa.edu.
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>   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
>wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
>it's nudity more than anything else).

Not knowing anything about Oh Calcutta, I will mention that Peter
Schickele does write serious music under his own name, as well as not-
so-serious stuff under the "PDQ Bach" pseudonym.  In fact, I've heard
a rumor that he's giving up doing PDQ Bach and concentrating on his
more serious stuff.

For what it's worth, I got PDQ Bach's "Oedipus Tex and other choral
calamities" over Christmas break.  Pretty fun...the title piece is
pretty fun, as is a choral cantata entitled "Knock Knock".

Probably Not Worth The Bandwith,
jwgh
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:09:09 EST
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Gremlins have pictures

From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied

> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:09:53 PDT David Malbuff said:
> >
> >I would nominate the Band's second album as a masterpiece, probably the
> >best album in rock & roll history.
>
> Would this be "The Big Pink" album..............L.W.

No, this would be the one just called _The Band_, sepiatone cover, with "King
Harvest," "Up on Cripple Creek," "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down," and a
bunch of other songs I played at least once too often in jam sessions with my
lame rock'n'roll friends :-) Not a bad choice, although the tempi are a bit
staid for my post-punk tastes-- and it's kinda reactive rather than proactive.
My favorite Band tunes are probably "Just Another Whistle Stop" from _Stage
Fright_ and the _Big Pink_ version of "Chest Fever"-- love that overdriven
Hammond organ sound, and Carol will tell you how much of a tit man I am :-)

I'll probably go with _The Henry Cow Leg End_ as the high water mark in rock
'n' roll, but I won't have an easy time defending it if you don't buy the
basic prog-rock evolutionary premise (which, when it came to Henry Cow, the
prog-rockers didn't buy either :-( ).

From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Psycho Chicken

> Was it the Trogs? I can never remember. Anyway, hilarious!

No, the name of the band was the Fools. They're still around, or at least
they had a record out last year called _Show 'Em You're Nuts_, which had a
cover drawing of a flasher (showing 'em his nuts, get it?). I think they're
a power trio plus singer. They don't do such obvious parodies any more-- I
believe they no longer do parodies at all-- but they're still supposed to be
real funny.

From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      RE: DAVEY

> WELLLLLL.... nice to hear that someone else KNOWS Davey... in point of
> fact, I have a FINE tape (if yer' interested, Dave), of him, his (maybe
> former) wife & a mighty strange sax player named Wally Shoup, circa '82,
> playing 'fake jazz' (i.e., zzaj) in a Birmingham joint called 'The
> Cavern'!  MUCH fun!

I keep forgetting to mention, this is one king hell whopper of a tape, and
should be strongly considered by all the improv fans on this list. N.B.: I'm
a big fan of Davey and LaDonna.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:03:41 +0000
From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Madonna (?)

Carol a while ago wrote:

>She tore up a picture of Joey Buttafuco...   ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha  classic.

        "She" is obviously Madonna -- and the tear-up-thing news made it to this
confused land, too. Is there anyone who would inform this ignorant guy that I
am who is Joey Buttafuco? I suppose he's very famous if he had to stand in the
place of the Pope, but I've never heard of him on these shores...

        Thanks in advance,
        Ciao, Marco

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:00:19 EST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Stark Fist of Removal
              27 Jan 1993 10:08:31 CST from <crispen@EIGHT-BALL.BOEING.COM>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:08:31 CST crispen said:
>
>Phil/Ayn -- chill, man.  The Eighties are over.  If you're trying to
>be a Gordon Gecko, IT'S TOO LATE.  The bill has come due for all the
>excesses of Ronny (what-the-hell-I'll-be-dead-soon) Raygun.  You
>remember: our first divorced President who hid out on a movie lot
>when WWII was going on; who wasn't a churchgoer but sucked up to the
>religious right; WHO DYED HIS HAIR and then lied about it...

I bet he had enuff sense to inhale though....L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:41:25 EST
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Psychedelic Music

Sonia: I'm surprised Mike Masuda hasn't already suggested Quicksilver
Messenger Service as a must for the psychedelic music experience. With
my man Nicky Hopkins on alot of their albums, and guitarist John
Cippolina on all (I think) this stuff is just great. Although they, like
the Byrds started out kinda artsy-country-folky-rock, they were a major
part of the San Fran. acid/music/happenings/lets go to the Fillmore/
1 tab or 2/dig the scene digging you digging it scene.

As far as the Byrds, the only album of theirs I have is _Untitled_. It
has the live album side long version of "Eight Miles High", which is
fantastic ! I have about 90 % of the Quicksilver stuff, and about
80-90 % of the Airplane (some wore out, my old roomate had _Bless Its
Pointed Little Head_ - great ! Also, I would point out that the 1st
Jefferson Starship album _Blows Against The Empire_ is also very
good - it came out in about '73, and has people from Airplane, Grateful
Dead, Crosby Stills, and others all pitching in. If you listen to
"Have You Seen The Stars Tonight" please listen on a good stereo with good
bass respnse, because there's a part where I guess it's Harvey Brooks'
bass kicks in, along with Jack Cassady (my favorite bass player), and it
really just blows you away.

Then, let's see - what else was essential back than ?? Well, actually just
about anything that turnded YOU on, or gave you a buzz of some kind. Anything
that we all wanted to experiment with - yes psychedics drew from everywhere !
That really what launched my exploration into different sounds - celtic, jazz,
jazz fusion, straight flat-pickin bluegrass, further experimentation in
classical (especially the 'early' and baroque music, and electronics.

I'll have to go peruse my record collection tonight and pick out a few more
from the area. Ah here's one - Country Joe and The Fish. Moby Grape. Of
course Hendrix, Joplin, Cream,several Beatles and Stones albums, early
Steve Miller. I thought Soft Machine fit this genre - they were definitely
around then.


To be continued.....
                                         ...walt...
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>>Les Miz & Phantom of the Opera? "Successful" syntheses of pop &
>>CLASSICAL? Lord, my chains are heavy; do I have to treat the poor
>>list to another adjective-studded screech about what an obscene
>>hack Andrew Lloyd Webber is? Please, Tim, don't bring this ugly
>>farago on us all again..
>>Michael

Hey, I'm not a big Lloyd Webber fan either...although _Phantom_ was worth
seeing for the set, if nothing else....But I should clear up that _Les Miz_
- one of my top five favorite musicals - was not ALW, but Claude-Michel
Schoenberg....who does wonderful work. Whatever I may think of his _Miss
Saigon_ as a rip-off of _Madame Butterfly_, the music is, IMHO, absolutely
beautiful and incredibly compelling....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:09:29 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trying to keep up

On Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:40:07 EST Tim Johnson said:
>
>incidentally, since CDs are digital, and thus the max signal
>from a CD is fixed (at least, for a given CD player, the max
>signal for any CD should be the same) you shouldn't have to
>fool with level settings on the tape deck.  A given tape deck/
>CD player combo could always have the same input level setting.

This I don't follow.  Most CD players send an analog signal to the amp--this
is why DAT isn't actually going to give you a perfect copy of a CD.
And most of my CDs make the meters jump around quite a bit when I record
them.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:49:18 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: enya
              "VTRA0%ITESO.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Jan 26, 93 06:02:00 pm

>    For all the people included in this list,I am new and I read all
>    your messages but until today , I have never sent any messages.
>
>    Today I need your Help.
>
>     I like so much the Enya music.
>
>    Here in Mexico is possible to buy three CD , but I knew that she
>    has more.
>
>
>    The CD'S are
>    A ble One " Shepperd Moons"
>    A Red One  "water marks"
>    And a white or black one "The Celtas"
>
>    Anybody of you knows about  her music ?
>    Has Enya More CD's ?
>
>     Could any of you help me ?

Sure, contact the Rev. Bob "sexpot, dolby loving" Crispen. He's the resident
Enya nut. Can you believe it? Enya and Debbie Gibson in the same day?! What
a happy day for you Bob!

Seeya,
Gary, peeing my pants with laughter
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>This is my first post to this list...so be gentle...;)

  Ha!  Yeah, right.

>I like a majority of different styles of music, I find something worthy in
>every type of music out there.  I mostly listen to what people deem
>"Alternative" (i.e. Smiths, Concrete Blonde, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys,
>etc...), but I've been known to like groups and artists diverse such as
>Amy Grant, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Pink Floyd, and Metallica.

  I've always been amused by the folks who say "I have really broad
tastes in music, I like all kinds of rock."

                            -Tim
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              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV (Rev. Dave)

>Date: 08 Jan 1993 12:01:23 -0500
>From: HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
>Subject: MTV (Rev. Dave)

Heather (welcome to ALLMUSIC!) said:

>U2 did this with their song "One" from _Achtung Baby_. As much as I'm sick to
>death of U2, I liked the approach. One featured Bono looking pouty in a
>restaurant, another featured buffalo, and the third was a black-and-white
>"minifilm" thing (a bit too reminiscent of Depeche Mode for my baby blues).

        I may have my signals confused, but "Better Than The Real Thing" had
the very same destiny. The first clip was put together in Carnaby Street,
London -- it's the famous one with the revolving camera -- the second one is
much newer and is made with pictures of U2 playing live (mostly) during the
Zoo Tour '92. The latter was conceived and co-produced by a friend of mine
who lives in LA. I haven't seen it, but last time he came to Italy (December)
he told me it should be out in the stores soon. As for video costs: this one
didn't break the $24,000 rooftop. It's two years of my wage, but if you think
of Michael Jackson's dimes thrown into clips, it's nearly free... :)

        Ciao, Marco

P.S.: $24,000 also was the cost of the *catering* when U2 did the first ver-
      sion in London. Not kidding.

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Thank you all for your replys (whether they be nice or not)

The only reason I say that they deem it alternative is because I don't go
to a record store saying, "Hmmm, I"ll buy something alternative."  If I
hear something I like, I buy it.  As it turns out, most of my stuff could
be classified as alternative.  Now I think that labeling music is just a
marketing type of thing...you call them alternative, you get one kind of
audience, you call it bee-bop, you get another kind of audience.

I have my own opinion on the question of "is alternative becoming the
mainstream?"  I think that there's a difference.  Alternative isn't
becoming anything...its a pretty broad term...it covers everything from
Nine Inch Nails to Sarah McLachlan...Mainstream is becoming
alternative...somehow, they are reaching over and finding that they like
these various types of music.  Personally, if a group "makes it big", I'm
not going to stop listening to them...I think success can challenge a
group and possibly make them better.

Thank you again.

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Robert "Cubby" Gruhn...1418@ef.gc.maricopa.edu

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Get back in bed.
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Subject:      John Zorn

Gary sez:
>I have come to the conclusion that I must check out something by John
>Zorn. Anybody wanna give me a steer in the right direction?

Try Zorn's "Naked City"--it's OUT there.

Mike

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:03:52 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Legumes

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:48:37 PST Mike said:
>Gary said:
>>Cool Beans.
>
>This is not a music thang, but I'm wondering where this phrase
>came from.  I've been using it lately also, and it's addicting.
>
>visualise whirled peas,

Ah ha! I just knew there was a reason I was waiting to post this little
tidbit about something I heard earlier today :-)

Speaking of legumes, I heard a fun song on the radio while wandering the
wastelands of the northern part of our city in search of the office of a
certain bill collecting city agency which was threatening mean & nasty
consequences to me, which extended trip afforded me the luxury of a long and
intimate relationship with our local college station, KLSU (seeing as how I
can't afford to have my car's CD player repaired to a state of sonic glory).
To wit, I was serenaded by some lads in a band calling itself 'Goober and
the Peas', which played a delightful ditty called 'Hot Women, Cold Beer'.
The boys in the band sounded as if they'd had a bit of the latter, but little
of the former (perhaps the motivation for forming a musical ensemble?) But
to address the raison d'etre for this paragraph, it was Fun Stuff. I enjoyed
the lead singer: his voice was full, throaty, and powerful, but with a
delightful lyric quality and much nicer range than I expect for this sort
of band, which could have been playing their humorous, basic guitar rock in a
pub near you. Further investigation revealed that their debut CD is entitled
"The Complete Works Of". With confidence and optimism like that, how can they
possibly miss the big time?

It's Friday dammit, go home!
Paul
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