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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:44:49 GMT

In article 75588@hydra.gatech.EDU, gt9911a@prism.gatech.EDU (.     .X.     .) writes:
>In article <steph.722219555@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:


>NOOOOOOOOOOO. We do not need a high paid closer. I say give the closer job
>to Stanton. He is pitching great. I think Braves should not go for a trade
>to get some high paid closer. Atleast it has not worked till now. Al Pena 
>came from METS and was expected to be a setup man. But he turned to be a good
>closer. If Scherholtz makes a trade for Harvey, he should be hanged somewhere.
>
 
 Here, Here. I'm in total agreement. I've even said so in previous posts. Give
 the job to Stanton. If he doesn't work, wohlers or Mercker. If not them Freeman or
 even a returning Al Pena. Braves have no need for relief help. With the departure
 of Reardon the Braves have a pen of nothing but good young arms (exception: Pena,
 still a good arm if healthy) and WILL find people to close games just as they did
 all season long last year. I think the Braves actually led the league in percentage
 of saves vs. blown saves. Don't flame me if I'm wrong, I just said I think they
 might have.

 BTW, can anyone post such a stat? Teams ranked in order of save pct? Thanks in 
 advance. 

 dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 1992 position data wanted
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:40:35 PST
Distribution: usa

  Netters,
    Does anyone have 1992 AL and NL position data handy ?
    Number of games started per player per position would be great.
    I don't really need innings played per position.
    Email would be great.  Thanks in advance...
  Mark Pede

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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Save percentages (was:Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...)
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:11:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov23.200148.20654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, 
drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes...
>Save percentage 
> 
>Atlanta   .695        Baltimore  .750
>Chicago   .661        Boston     .520
>Cincy     .705        California .750
>Houston   .726        Chicago    .712
>LA        .617        Cleveland  .667
           ^^^^^
>Montreal  .731*       Detroit    .720
>New York  .667        Kansas C.  .657
>Philly    .596        Milwaukee  .722
>Pitt      .683        Minnesota  .735
>St. Lou   .671        New York   .721
>San Diego .719        Oakland    .841*
>San Fran  .652        Seattle    .588
>                      Texas      .656
>                      Toronto    .831
> 
>Clay D.

Lowest in the NL, and it showed our two big flaws:  rotten relief 
pitching, and shoddy fielding in the ninth and extra innings.  
Let us hope that Jody Reed shores up the middle infield, and that 
someone (Kip Gross? Any other hopes?) emerges as a stopper in 1993. 
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From: drw3l@sahara.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: does anybody know...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:22:30 GMT

In article <92319.135250RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>
>does anybody know if there's actually a rule that you must have a
>player hanging around between home plate and the umpire?
>
>bob vesterman.

If you look at an overhead shot of the home plate area, you will see
three boxes around the plate: the right-hand batter's box on the left,
the left-hand batter's box on the right, and, behind the plate, a
little thing called the catcher's box.

If the catcher is not in the box when the pitcher pitches (possibly
starts the windup, possibly releases the ball; the book defines
exactly where, but I can't remember; I think releases the ball), you
have a catcher's balk. Any baserunners are awarded one base; with no
baserunners, I imagine it would be a ball (unless the batter hit it,
in which case he would have the option of taking the play).

This is why a catcher stands behind the plate on an intentional walk,
and then steps out. It would of course make more sense to just stand
out there to start with, wouldn't it? But the catcher's box is there.

Clay D.

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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: does anybody know...
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:05:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41091
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Nov16.152230.17770@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, drw3l@sahara.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
|> In article <92319.135250RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:

|> >does anybody know if there's actually a rule that you must have a
|> >player hanging around between home plate and the umpire?

|> 
|> If you look ... you will see ... a
|> little thing called the catcher's box.
 
|> If the catcher is not in the box when the pitcher pitches (possibly
|> starts the windup, possibly releases the ball; the book defines
|> exactly where, but I can't remember; I think releases the ball), you
|> have a catcher's balk. Any baserunners are awarded one base; with no
|> baserunners, I imagine it would be a ball (unless the batter hit it,
|> in which case he would have the option of taking the play).

Also, there is a rule that no other fielders may be in foul territory
when the pitch is released.  I believe that once the White Sox (?)
with Wilbur Wood pitching (?) in a situation like runner on 3d, tie score,
bottom of 9th wanted to bring in one of the OFs to play behind the
catcher in case the knuckler knuckled a bit too much, but were
prevented from doing so by this rule.  Don't know why it exists, though.

Dave

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Commentary--Rounds2&3, Expansion Draft
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:36:52 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:

>> 4) Steve Reed, RHP, San Francisco        
>If this guy is the guy who's been kicking around AAA for five years, a good
>choice from the Giants.  If he's 25 or so, the Rockies made a good choice...
>Finally, Florida starts taking legitimate major league outfielders...


WWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

It was bad enough that they didn't protect Pat Rapp. I thought they didn't
protect Rapp so they could protect Reed. But NOOOOO!. The Giants lose both.

Reed is a nice, quality pitcher with good potential. A sidearm/submariner
who's gonna make a nice, kickass stopper.

Sigh. They protect Benjamin so they can give up Rapp and Reed. Someone is
asleep at the switch.

(Decker is no surprise. I think the Giants would have been VERY unhappy if
he hadn't been taken. He lost the starting job to Manwaring permanently, and
the Giant minor sysstem is exceptionally heavy with good catching prospoects
that'll be ready when Manwaring starts getting older, including Roger Miller
at AA and Steve(?) Colcagno at A. They also gave up Scooter Tucker to the
Astros in the last year, and they won't even notice the loss. Too bad they
can't do this with pitchers. argh)


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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies #1
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:48:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <gf3awC600WB54SLJRq@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhy
ani) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 20-Nov-92 Phillies #1 by Anuj
>Gupta@andrew.cmu.ed
>> Later - Look for the rest of the reason's why they will win, including
>> their now amazing starting rotation, and their suberb closer. Only on
>> the net can you get good stuff like this
>
>Didn't they finish in the cellar last year?
>Does Wes Chamberlain have any concept of on base percentage?
>How can any team win when it has loud mouth, obnoxious, loser fans like you?
>
>Mit
>
>What the hell is a Phillie?  That has to be the worst name for a professional
>team ever.
>
Damn, I've never seen such a moronic post, what does one call Philadelphia for
short?  Answer: Philly, hence the name which pluralized for the team concept
is the Phillies.  You wouldnt say the Boston Red Sock.  It may not be the most
inventive name but at least it makes since.
  
-- 
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758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
From: itlm013@fella.ucdavis.edu (Captain Caveman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy of Relief (Eck)
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:35:31 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Nov15.152210.24407@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.030013.3422@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs3ea3ai@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Edberg '92) writes:
>>>> Congrats to Eck.  I know that a lot of people say that relievers don't
>>>> deserve the Cy Young, but Eck had such an incredible season that he
>>>> deserved it.  
>>>
>>>I think that the voters were trying to honor Eck somehow for his past 5
>>>years of stellar performance.  And with no dominating starter this year,
>>>this honor came easily.
>>
>>I think the time has come for two awards, one for a starter
>>and one for a reliever..


They already have an award that is solely for relievers: The Rolaids
Relief (or something like that).  Eck won it, of course, posting a record
score.  I'm not exactly sure what the criteria are, but I seem to recall
that you get points for Wins and Saves, and lose points for Losses and
Blown Saves.

>another good idea would be an award specifically for non-pitchers like
>the cy young is for pitchers. that way we could avoid the incessant
>arguments about whether or not a pitcher should win the MVP. you could
>have an award (or awards) for best pitcher, one (or more?) for best
>hitter, and finally, MVP, which could truly be the "most valuable"
>player, either pitcher or not.
>
>i wonder why there is no batting equivalent of the cy young...

There are two awards for non-pitchers: the gold glove and the silver
slugger.  They are awarded for each position.  The Slugger is, I believe,
a fairly new award (less than three years).

However, I doubt that any individual award will ever attain the merit
of the "MVP" or "Cy Young" awards.  It's nice to know who the best hitting
second baseman, or the best defensive first baseman are, but people
will always be interested in who is the best all-around player.

Dennis Cleary
dfcleary@ucdavis.edu
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Minor leagues.
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:54:33 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

bjf@ausom.oz.au (Brian Ferguson) writes:

>Sometime in September, or thereabouts, a fan (whose message I managed
>to delete) sought expressions of interest on forming a group to
>discuss the need for support of minor leagues.

That was me. send mail to minors-request@medraut.apple.com to get on the
list.

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From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Justice
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:05:41 GMT

In <8f3dKzS00WB5IXHY97@andrew.cmu.edu> Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Why are the Braves so eager to unload Dave Justice?  He is only 27,
>still a couple years from free agency and the Braves best hitter.  They
>do have an outfield squeeze, but unload Nixon, Sanders or even Gant
>before Justice.

They are eager because of
1)  A history of injuries
2)  A "bad attitude"
3)  Most trade value of any Braves position player.  (If #3 is not true,
unload whoever has more!)

#3 is the only good reason to trade Justice.  I don't think his attitude
has kept the time from winning, and his bat has sure helped when it's
in the lineup.  I would like them to trade Justice if
1)  They can get an all-star infielder (or Clemens :->
2)  They sign Barry Bonds

The talk of trading Justice for a "closer" makes my blood run cold.  The
Braves have good enough relievers that a designated closer is not a big
need.  In fact, it could hurt (see Reardon, Jeff).  And trading Justice
would *hurt* the time.  The Braves have plenty of outfielders, but Justice
is the best of the lot (better than Sanders, Gant, Nixon, Mitchell, Nieves,
and Kelly.)

I'd love to trade Otis Nixon, for anything they could get.  Otis has had some
good years in Atlanta.  He's stolen bases, got on base, and played good
defense.  But the Braves have 4-6 outfielders better than him.  Why play
him?

[...]
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

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   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
From: jwc@netx.com (Jeffrey W. Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Unofficial Protected Lists from San Jose Mercury
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:37:38 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

The Trib wrote,
>Baltimore Orioles
>P  Frohwirth, McDonald, Mills, Mussina, Olson, Pennington, Rhodes
>C  Hoiles
>IF Alexander, Gomez, C. Ripken, Segui
>OF Anderson, Devereaux, Mercedes

mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck 'Big, Red, & Furry' McMath) writes:
>	Well, there's definitely a problem with this one (so the disclaimer is
>true after all!).  Glenn Davis has to be protected because he has a no-cut
>contract, so I'd assume you'd strike Segui's name and add Davis'.

No it's true... Glenn "Don't play me in the field" Davis acknowledged that
he waived his no-trade clause in order to have his name left off of the O's
protected list.

Sherry Nichols wrote that she was not surprised that MLB leaked the lists. If
I were one of the clubs that submitted my list in secrecy, I would be pretty
damned pissed that it leaked. I mean, what's the point!?

-JC
Your faithful Orioles cub reporter.
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: California Angels /David Segui
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:12:10 GMT

In article <Bxrns4.HKF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130r92d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark R Miller) writes:
>Hey Buddy!
>
>The Angels wish that they had a player of David Segui's caliber.
>
>This Gaetti Guy? Who is He?

I realize you don't have a clue.  That's quite all right.  But then
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU POSTING???  Or are you trying to be obviously
sarcastic and failing?  Again, I don't see the point...

It *looks* like you are merely trying to be offensive.

>David "The Lion" Segui!- 1 error compared to 22 for G-man.

Yeah.  Segui played 1B and OF.  Gaetti spend most of the season at 3B.
Guess which position gets the most errors?

>                       - 306 on base pct. to .267 for G-man HA!

True.  Gaetti's OBP has *always* sucked.  Though at least he has
*some* power, unlike Segui.  I'd rate them about equal with the
bat.

>                       - 23K's for Segui to 79 for Gury!

This comparison is simply stupid.  Segui had only 189 AB, Gaetti had
over twice as many...  Sure, Segui makes better contact.  but you
can't directly compare their totals.

>                       - 0 caught stealing for The Lion to 1 for Gbetto 100%
>                        better

Huh?  As if this meant anything?

What was the purpose of your posting?  I didn't find it humorous (and
don't think it was meant to be funny).  It's total nonsense, so why
post?

-Valentine
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 20:49:26 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: hey angels fans...

a guy i graduated high school with, dave kennedy, was drafted by the
angels in either 1990 or 1991, i forget which.  i think 1991.  anyway,
since then i haven't been able to find anything about him (stats or
anything).  i barely knew the guy, but i'm still curious as to what the
scoop is.  so if any all-knowledgable angel fan has any clue, i'd
appreciate it.  thanks.

bob vesterman.

p.s. he was the angels' fifth pick, i think, and was a pitcher/outfielder.


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From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Subject: Re: Re: Tampa Bay and the Giants
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:56:53 GMT

From krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)

> Having given my opinion on open air vs dome, this is the San
> Francisco bay area, and the weather does get cold when the sun goes
> down and the fog rolls in.

Amen!  A few years ago I spent a very pleasant, toasty afternoon at
Candlestick, in shorts and a T-shirt watching the Giants actually win
a game.  That evening I went to a concert at Shoreline Amphitheater,
down near one of the the proposed "warm" stadium sites, and in spite
of jeans and two sweatshirts damn near froze my tutu off.

The Bay Area has great weather, but it gets cold at night.  Accept it.

    Wayne Hathaway               domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
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From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Nixon & Sanders
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:42:00 EST
Organization: Loose

   Regarding Braves protected in the draft, Mark Mitchell posts...

 > And if Scherholtz was told - by Kasten, Ted Turner, or even Ed Turner
 > (no relation, president of TBS) - that he had to protect Sanders, he
 > could have bumped Otis Nixon instead of Nied.  Scherholtz is for 
 > some reason absolutely bonkers over Nixon though.

   Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they would not
   have won either division championship without him.

   There!  I said it!  Now I feel better!  And I don't even care if
   anyone agrees with me or not!

   I realize it's debatable if he should even be allowed to be
   playing baseball given the drug suspension.  But given the fact that
   he was not permanently suspended, the Braves were smart to keep him.
   He has the speed they need in the outfield, he is still the most
   disruptive baserunner the team has, and his hitting is significantly
   better than anyone could possibly have expected.

   Given a full chance, it's quite likely that Deion Sanders would
   have had an BETTER year than Nixon but it didn't happen that way.
   Both players are very popular here in Atlanta.  I like both of
   them myself but it wouldn't have surprised me to have seen Sanders
   unprotected before Nixon even with the age differences...I also can't
   help but get the feeling that Neon Deion will eventually be his
   own undoing.  Whether or not it will distract from his considerable
   athletic talents remains to be seen.

   I guess it just surprised me to see so many people stongly state
   that it was stupid to protect Nixon.  Sanders will probably be a
   good leadoff hitter in his career.  Nixon already is.  And his team
   won 2 division titles in a row largely because of it.

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Eck Wins MVP in Horrible Voting
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:04:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.152709.20752@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.184840.9657@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>
>>Shane Mack got no votes.
>
>Shane Mack had a very average (if not sub-par) second half which was part of
>the reason the Twins choked.  I heard Puckett finished 2nd, which is probably
>a lot more surprising.

Where *do* people come up with these statements???

Mack's first/second half splits:
               BA   SLG   OBP   G  AB   R   H  TB 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS  E
First half   .288  .450  .366  84 333  58  96 150 18  3 10  45  34  63 14  9  2
Second half  .348  .489 ~.429  72 267  43  93 130 13  3  6  30  30  43 12  5  2

If that's a sub-par second half, I'll eat his jock!  That second half
was better than *either* of Puckett's halves.

-Valentine
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Clemens Market Value (trade with Toronto)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:07:16 GMT

In <1992Nov22.204157.4336@oz.plymouth.edu> s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean) writes:

>In article <By4KDn.C2p@math.uwaterloo.ca> fass@math.uwaterloo.ca (The FASS Theatre Company) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov21.190438.12406@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>>So as I see it the Jays *could* trade 
>>
>>Delgado, Bell, Duane Ward   for Clemens.
>>
>>This is arguably the best minor league prospect, a talented, though 
>>unproven, outfielder and a premier closer.  Is this enough?  Too much?
>>what would the Jays have to add? Take away?  Please be kind.  I'm new at
>>this.|-)
>>
>>Lee.

>Throw in Wild Juan Guzman with Bell Ward and Delgado for Clemens and
>Greenwell and I think it is the best offer I've seen here so far.  Ted?

  Well for starters, Toronto doesn't want Mike Greenwell and his high contract.
Second of all throwing in Guzman makes the trade a ripoff from Toronto's
standpoint. Do you really think that Toronto thinks that the difference 
between Clemens and Guzman is equal to an excellent closer, the best minor 
league catching prospect and a solid outfield prospect?

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)

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From: Bob Gajarsky <gajarsky@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Stroke / Rickey, J.R.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:18:30 GMT

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Subject:Strokes/Richard,Rickey (WAS Re: Eck Wins MVP in Horrible Voting
Distribution: na

while *I* think rickey didn't give it his "all" in new york,he
 was still more valuable in his worst years than most of the
 other players on the team.

however, the j.r. thing - what happened, basically, was j.r. started
 complaining that he didn't feel good, etc.  reporters, fans, and
 others in houston said that he was lazy, dogging it, whiner, chronic
 complainter, etc.  same stuff people say about rickey.  then,
 when j.r. had the stroke, everyeone was like "wow, j.r. wasn't kidding".

no, he wasn't.

- bob gaj

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