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From: hawrysch@husc4.harvard.edu (George Hawrysch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: AHH!  The meaning of "hapkido" is...
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:52:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan22.185206.19691
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>hap = coordination/focus/concentration
>ki = energy (you know..)
>do = way/style
>
>So it's the art of coordinated energy, focused energy, etc.  Cool. :)

That first word ("hap") is the same Chinese character as the "ai" in
Aikido and the "ho" in Liu Ho Bat Fat (which is "lok _hup_ ..." in
in Cantonese, so you can hear the similarity there), and looks very
roughly like this:

                    #
                   ###
                 ##   ##
               ##       ##
             ##           ##
           ##   #########   ##
         ##                   ##
                #########
                ##     ##
                ##     ##
                #########

It also connotes harmony, union, combining, coming together, completion.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: How do real fights start? (was Women's self-defense success stories!)
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:04:28 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Real fights are usually your own fault. Like when you didnt see it coming,
or when your ego gets in the way of grovelling.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:39:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
  +
  +	Well, if we go by the "qi is the animating force of life"
  +definition that gets thrown out every now and then, then by
  +definition, everyone uses qi. Just like you don't have to believe in
  +hemoglobin for your body to use it.

True enough.  Although the evidence for hemoglobin is certainly
a little more, uh, concrete, than the evidence for qi.

  +	In any case, I get the tinglies, hands drifting in invisible
  +currents, and other people have (on occasion) told me they can feel my qi
  +projection, blah blah blah...

Sure.  Me too.  Heck if I know what it is.  Is it qi or is it Memorex?

  +	But is it real, or virtual? I don't have an answer, but I have
  +a different question: Does it really make a difference?

No, it doesn't.  But then, most things we're concerned with make 
very little difference.

Terry Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Yeah, right.
From: dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:41:54 EST
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: RAVEN and TV shows (was Re: Space Rangers
Organization: IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1
            <1993Jan21.222500.5354@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

In <1993Jan21.222500.5354@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Nicholas P Palmer writes:
>Anyone know anything about Jeffrey Meeks, the star of the TV show RAVEN?
>Any idea on what/ how long he's studied martial arts?
>
>Shade

Sad news to report about our friend Jeffrey Weeks. I saw a TV interview
with him a few months ago and he claimed to have NOT studied martial
arts. He is coached for each fight scene by someone who evidently
has studied some martial arts. Bummer that Hollywood couldn't come up
with a martial artist who was also an actor. The way it stands, you
could picture Meeks selling sparring equipment and saying "I'm not a
martial artist, but I play one on TV..."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dave Thomas        dcthomas@vnet.ibm.com             My views, not IBM's
"ikken hitatsu"    JKA Shotokan / Myoshinkan Aikido  "one cut, one life"
From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 20:59:45 GMT
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

>I've spent countless hours with some of the big names in TaeKwonDo trying
>to figure out the names and movements of the authentic Korean Forms.  Going
>back to 1950 is easy, but try some day to figure out what forms were commonly
>practiced in Korea is 1850.  Impossible.

If by forms you mean poomse/kata, why are you assuming that the art practiced
-any- forms in 1850?  Not all styles of martial arts have forms as part of
the art.  Martial arts styles also evolve over time.  Arts that had forms
at one time may not have forms now (and vice versa).

I submit that in the case of TaeKwonDo, this is one of the areas where
Shotokan influenced TaeKwonDo, Tang Soo Do, etc.  The belt system is another 
area of influence.

Ray
From: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1993Jan26.161643.24131@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>I think if you hit a dog on the center of the top of the head hard
>it will be killed. I can't confirm this though, I usually just kick
>them in the head or side if they bug me.
>
>			John


Hitting a dog on the nose usually does the trick... their noses are very sensitive.

Kam. :-)

P.S.  Anyone out there fought a rabid goldfish yet?  :-)
--
Kam-Wing Pang   : Smile   :-)
kwp@ukc.ac.uk   : Msc Electronic Engineering  
                : University of Kent at Canterbury (0227)764000 ext 3192
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Happenstance Weapons
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:13:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.005256.3375@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>
>The hell with Patrick McNee's character - I was too busy paying attention
>to Diana Rigg, myself. Followups to alt.sex.bondage.leather_jumpsuits...

	BERNG!
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Subject: Re: SEALs
From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:20:59 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

>>	In October,Teresa Ramirez filed a wrongful death suit after
>>	police shot her husband to death in a late-night raid.
>>	Her suit says the police and Navy SEALs ripped her door off with
>>	a cable tied to a truck and smashed two windows, covering a
>>	5-month old with glass.  When her 16 year old neice called for
>>	for help, Manuel Ramirez grabbed an unloaded gun and was shot to
>>	death.  The suit says the police failed to identify themselves.
> 
> Like I always say..  Fuck the military.  Shows the mentality of militant
> idiots.  Shoot and ask questions later.  This really pisses me off, and
> I'm sure others out there are angered by such absolute shit.
> 
>>What gives?  I didn't know that SEALs were used in drug raids.  Has
>>anyone else heard about this practice?
> 
> Not really.  They should find a more intelligent way to capture
> suspects, rather than just breaking in and spraying the place with
> bullets.  I'd sue the military out the ass if they just barged in and
> killed one of my family members like that.  But oh well, that's the
> military for you.
> 

No flames intended but I wonder if Ms Ramirez didn't confuse the flak
jackets of some officers (S.W.A.T?) and the lack of such attire on others 
with two different organizations.  Does anyone know if the military involves
itself with police raid these days? 

On another note, should the police wait to be fired upon to establish that
the gun was loaded.  If someone swings at me outside the dojo, I am not 
going to assume that he is going to hold back at the last second.


MT.
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Happenstance Weapons
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:46:48 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan25.134729.6060@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>
>There is no such thing as unarmed combat. If you cant improvise a weapon, you
>are overlooking something (If anyone has a direct use for a postage stamp, 
>you are better at this game than me.)

	Paste the postage stamp to the business end of a bat and hit the
enemy with it. Should work.

			John
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:44:14 GMT

In article <77570@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:

>the story of Wu Sung, a martial hero monk of China, who is said
>to have been caught sleeping by a hungry tiger. If you have
>ever seen a figurine of a Chinese fellow smacking a tiger
>in the head with his fist in a Chinatown shop, this is Wu Sung

This sounds rather implausible to me.  Why was he sleeping in a
Chinatown shop?  And how did the tiger get in there?

I shot an Elephant in my gi once...

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: RE: OPENINGS
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:44:19 GMT

=Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com WRITES:
=
=	A "philosophical" disagreement has arisen in email, and I
=thought that I'd throw it out on the net for discussion.
=
=	It has to do with openings, suki, or whatever you wish to call
=them.
=
=	We have 2 different viewpoints on the matter:
=
=	1) No matter how good the martial artist is, there are _always_
=openings which can be exploited by their opponent(s).
=
=	2) The _best_ martial artists do not give their opponents _any_
=openings to exploit. Either by timing, or positioning, the openings
=only occur when and where their opponent(s) cannot take advantage of them.
=
=	Stephen
=
=

My $0.02 .... unless your opponent is dead/unable to move... just by living
and breathing you will have to present some type of openings to an
opponent.

Your openings may be a trap, or you may be able to defend them easily, but 
there are still openings.

Everyone has openings due to the fact of our body structure.  It just takes
the right weapon/attack to strike.

The one place that a very good artist should have no openings, or where 
every opening should be a trap is in the mental arena of mushin & zanshin.

OK, thats all my money will buy.

B. Webb, Dallas, Tx.
Japan Shotokan Karate 
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From: haworth@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:38:07 GMT

ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU  writes:
> In article <gfLiSHP0Bwx2R_Q_JF@transarc.com>
> Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
> >
> >        You know, those Midieval Samurai Killing Machines weren't
> >particularly successful when they invaded China and Korea. Anyone out
> >there have any theories on that?
> >
> >        Stephen
>  
> Sure, I've always got a theory. How about these reasons:
>  
> 1. Everybody was a Killing Machine(tm). Every area of the world had LOTS
>    of people who practiced Killing Machine(tm) techniques as much as
>    the Samurai did.

Close enough.  The Koreans had to defend their little peninsula from 
several threats.  Parts of the peninsula even managed to hold out against
Gengis Khan, notably the walled city of Suwon.  (Source: posted placard
on a remnant of that wall that still stands).  There was a substantial
martial tradition in Korea, that was sometimes technologically superior.
The short compound bow made of _horn_ dates back about 500 years and the
ones extant function very well, even when compared to modern bows.

> 2. Geography and supply lines. Samurai armies traveling to Korea or China
>    to wage war were at the end of what was then a very long supply line.
>    Logistics was not well evolved then and corruption was rampant. Its
>    tough to fight when you're cold and starving.

A good observation.  Also, in 1598 the Japanese invasion fleet met a 
small problem, ironclads.  The Koreans had armored their fleet above
the waterline with metal plate.  They destroyed the main force of the
Japanese invasion fleet and cut off the rest. (Source: the memorial
shrine and museum for Admiral Yi at Asan, Chungcheong Namdo, Korea).

[snip]

Invaders always have a tough time.  What is the military formula,
3 to 1 for the defense?  Difficult to transport enough to overcome the
defenders' advantage [IMHO].  Even more so when the defense is spirited,
and the histories indicate the the Koreans could put up a very spirited
defense.

Another interesting point about technology.  Swordmaking was also 
practiced in Korea with good result.  The two swords (both would be
classed as katana in the Japanese nomenclature) carried by Adm. Yi
are truly impressive, and the Koreans record that the Admiral actually
used them in combat.  Because both swords are over 6 feet long, the Admiral
was probably not the smallest kid on the block either :-)

-- 
Dwight Haworth                  | "... I arrive at the conclusion that however
haworth@cwis.unomaha.edu        | a systems problem is solved -- the solution
                                | is wrong, even dangerously wrong."
                                |              C. West Churchman
From: dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:24:49 EST
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Organization: IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1
            <1993Jan25.153719.5616@midway.uchicago.edu>

In <1993Jan25.153719.5616@midway.uchicago.edu> john peter wagner writes:
>In article <28616@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>>  [On yet another query about chi.]

<Lots of magical stuff removed...>

>   Yah, that's it:telekinesis.  It, along with the curative properties,
>are being studied at the Beijing University physics department. Check
>them out for details.  They had one guy go through who was 'pretty good
>with his Chi' who would give up to thirty hour lectures in which his
>listeners, he claimed, 'fed off of his Chi' so they could stay and
>not go to the bathroom, eat, etc.  I think he gave an 18 hour lecture at
>Beijing University a few years back.
>             John

I'm not sure where this thread is going, but I think you guys are
up in the clouds a little. Ki exists in all of us. We don't have to
lift houses or make chickens implode with our ki to prove its existence.
Us normal grunts can use it in everyday life. Any decent martial arts
training should provide a glimpse (albeit fleeting at times).

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dave Thomas        dcthomas@vnet.ibm.com             My views, not IBM's
"ikken hitatsu"    JKA Shotokan / Myoshinkan Aikido  "one mind, one cut"
From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: The Meaning Behind Style
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 09:03:00 -0500

RO>Hapkido, the way of beer and pretzels.

RO>...All in all, a most accurate name, even accounting for the small
RO>pot-belly most of us who have practiced it develop...

As a Hapkido stylist, I am profoundly insulted. I intend to send you a
scathing rebuttal...just as soon as I quit laughing!

Peace in our time,

Tom
___
 X SLMR 2.1a X Nothing is foolproof! We fools are ingenious.
From: ctm@ardi.com
Subject: History of Kajukenbo and Kajukembo + Software Request
Organization: ARDI
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:46:20 GMT

Dear Folks,

My wife's been learning Kajukembo for a couple of years now and is
trying to find out more about its origins.  She asked me to post and
see if anyone could give any pointers to the origins of this style (and
the related style Kajukenbo).

In addition, her Sigung knows that I use computers and has asked for
recommendations to help computerize his dojo.  I haven't talked to him
about requirements yet, but any information that you can pass on will
be appreciated.  I'm reasonably familiar with Macintosh and UNIX systems,
but largely unfamiliar with PCs.

Please pardon any spelling or diction errors.  I watch my wife work out
and compete; I love her and fear her, but I don't claim to understand
her terminology.

Thanks in Advance,

Cliff[ord T. Matthews]
ctm@ardi.com
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:05:06 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <1993Jan27.191950.20784@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>I should have learned by now- ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS put the smiley on a
>joke posting.  No matter how obvious you think it is that you're just
>kidding ("I shot an elephant in my gi"),

Oh, yeah, sure, Reid -- IF YOU'RE THE KIND OF SICKO WHO THINKS SHOOTING
ELEPHANTS IS SOME KIND OF FUNNY JOKE!!

>                                         a non-zero number of people
>will not get it and will post serious responses.

Say, what caliber gun did you use, anyway?

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...Ch'en worked in a drugstore on the
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |second story...and at noon each day he
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |would leave for lunch in an eccentric
55428                |                |way: he would stroll out the window..."
From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: Strengthening fingers/hand
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:00:22 GMT

>Anyway, I'm looking for some method to strengthen my hands and fingers
>(For grips and throws) quietly.. so I could do it during class, without

What about those finger exercizers that guitarists use?

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From: satadd00@nx10.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken)
Subject: Brenda's judo throw.
Summary: I think I've got it.
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:19:32 GMT


I should have thought harder from the start.  I've made too many false
starts, but I think I can give the best name for it.

It is hiza guruma, done in the old-fashioned style.

The original form of hiza guruma was as follows: Step in front of uke's
right leg with your left leg, then step in closer (and to your right front
corner) with your right leg.  Throw him to his right front corner by
twisting hard to the left.

This broke knees.  Also, it may not have been fabulously effective in
randori.  Hence the modern interpretation of the throw.


Here is a throw I use in a similar situation:

It is annoying when a partner takes a grip high on the lapel, then pulls the
elbow of that hand down hard, making an obstacle between our bodies.  It has
much the same effects as a stiff-arm strategy, but to a lesser degree: it makes
it harder to throw, and harder to be thrown.  Say he is gripping high with his
right hand, pulling the elbow down.  I grip the center of the back with my
left hand, and pull him tightly to me with both hands, stepping behind him
with my left leg (pretty easy to do, since he's usually facing his right side
into me).  Drop low enough that my left leg becomes a "hurdle" for him to fall
over, and drop him to the rear.

I call it tani otoshi, which seems as good a name as any.

Postscript: I may have been overly judgemental when I wondered "out loud"
            about Brenda using her left leg simultaneously to block opponent's
            right leg and get the drive of the throw.  She said she brings her
            right leg forward and twists to the left; she didn't say what she
            does with the right leg once it gets there.  Probably, she drives
            to the rear or left with it.  This would satisfy my doubtfulness
            about the power of the throw.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Taddiken, University of Kentucky
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: MARTIAL FARTS!?
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:08:31 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <MHIRSCH.93Jan21112155@dynastar.princeton.edu> mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:15:12 GMT, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) said:
>Sam> Nntp-Posting-Host: navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>Sam> In article <1993Jan20.222806.249@unislc.uucp>, tim@unislc.uucp (Tim Morrison) says most sayishly:
>>David Poore (poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:
>>: In article <1993Jan19.023724.11382@fuug.fi> an1840@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>: >that's right!! the most embarrassing thing is when youre doing kicks or
>>: >something, and you let one rip!!! honestly, how can i avoid this? ..kick
>>: >kick kick fart kick...
>>You don't want to avoid this - it's an awsome technique that makes
>>people famous. Haven't you ever heard of Bill "Superfart" Wallace?
>
>Sam> Ooh, a story. :)  Tell us.
>The best story I know is in "The Seven Bamboo Tablets..." by Deng
>Ming-Dao (and a late "Thank you" to the various people on the net who
>mentioned it in their posts).  It is the biography of Kwan Saihung a
>Taoist monk and martial artist in China.
>He thought highly of his prowess and challenged a master one day.
>Kwan was good enough to almost have the master defeated by the use of
>Mongolian wrestling, when the master uleashed his secret weapon: a
>tremendous fart that so weakened Kwan that he was easily defeated.
>The master then explained that he at a variety of herbs and spices to
>achieve this effect and offered to teach our hero.  Kwan declined.
>Moral:  Cultivate your talent.  And read Deng Ming-Dao's books.
>Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    

	Wellll,,,
		Last night I was watching a movie in Mandarin that
was roughly translated as 'Mr. Knife,' which was a movie
set in old Manchuria(barbaric days), involving a very young man who was
setting out to find his wife(who was supposed to have a black spot on
her ass). Anyway, his father was a a 'great fighter' and could really
use his chi. However, the young man joked with his future wife once
he found her, one day his old man had been trying to chop down a tree
in one stroke, but his chi leaked out his ass and he couldn't do it!

				Hold that chi, don't let it go

			John
P.S. The movie was kind of amusing but it didn't have subtitles or
English translations so too bad.
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Subject: Re: Looking for a Martial Art
From: jsterwillige@acs.harding.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:56:45 -0600
Reply-To: jsterwillige@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

In article <4307@eastman.UUCP>, efo@dtc.kodak.com (Ed Oswalt) writes:
>
>I am looking to choose a Martial Art for fitness and self defense. I am looking for something that is effective against most street thugs if I am backed into a corner but isn't overily complex. I have never had great cooridination and would great deal of trouble with something that had very complex moves. I would like something basic and effective to get started in.
>
>Thanks
>Ed
>efo@dtc.kodak.com
>

I don't know where you are from, but I have found that Kenpo is an excellent
form for self defense, and it doesn't require a lot of coordination (my
opinion, of course.)  Hope this helps.                            Jeffrey>
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