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From: krishna@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Krishna R Akkina)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles vs. Seahawks (Stats)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:52:36 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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I thought it was a great game for the Eagles offense, statistical wise.  It was
probably the best they have shown the whole season.  If it wasn't for the 
penalities, they should have won by 20 (in 4 qtrs.)

First, the team stats are as follows;


                               PHI                      SEA
                            ------                   --------\
First Downs                    25                        11
Rushes-Yards                41-190                    24-63
Passing Yards                 276                        24
Passes                     27-44-1                   9-31-2
Sacks By Yards               5-42                     10-89
Punts                      10-42.5                    11-46.
Fumbles-Lost                  2-1                       1-0
Penalities-Yards            17-191                     6-45
Time of Possession          46:47                     28:13

As the stats show, the Eagles rocked the Seahawks in every category except for
sacks and punt average.  And the penalities (OUCH!!!) were outrageous.  I 
didn't see the game on tv but just looking at the stats, it seems unbelievable.
I think Randall had a great day (27-44-1-365 yds.).  Also Keith Byars 
(5-93 yds) and Fred Barnett (9-161 yds) had great days.  I still can't see
how the hawks kept the game so close.   Herschel had 111 yds. on 23 carries. 
I think the offense is coming around at just the right time.  And the defense, 
who held the hawks to 87 total yards offense was great.  I just hope Kotite 
can fix the penalty situation for the Skins game next week.  I think the 
skins offense will welcome the penalties.  As for the playoff situation, 
Green Bay is still behind the Eagles and the Skins.  As I write this, I am 
listening to the Oilers/Packers game.  It doesn't look to good for the Oilers.
So, assuming that the Packers hold their 9 point lead, the race is still on
for the last two playoff spots. Well, we will have to wait to see what happens.

So 
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From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Shouldn't Emmitt's fumble be an incomplete pass?
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:46:07 GMT

Kalle.Kivimaa@hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:

>In <1992Dec14.022935.10618@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:

>"A Forward Pass is a pass that:
> (a) moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after
>     LEAVING THE PASSER'S HANDS and before touching another
>     player; or
> (b) is handled (regardless of the direction of movement of the ball)
>     by a player who is in advance of a teammate from whose hands he
>     takes or receives it."
>(Note: emphasis mine)

OK, if you buy that Aikman fumbled (and I'm undecided), then you get Emmitt
Smith picking up the ball and shoveling it forward in an attempt to get the
ball to (I believe) Alfredo Roberts.  This was undeniably outrageously stupid,
*BUT*, what I want to know is why wasn't *that* ruled an incomplete pass?
He clearly tossed the ball forward; if Aikman fumbled (i.e. didn't pass),
then this was a legal forward pass attempt that failed.  Regardless of
the Aikman ruling, I believe the correct result of the play should have
been an incomplete pass.  I think the officials just saw more stupid moves
than they could comprehend in one play, so they ruled against the team
that made the stupid moves.  This is the Ron Luciano approach to calling
stupid plays in baseball, and it is not without merit.

Even if the play were called correctly, the Cowboys were cooked.  Troy blew
the game with that *incredibly* boneheaded interception in the Redskin endzone.
I like Troy, regardless of Gordon Storga's or John Gloria's opinions (perhaps
*because* of John's, but that's another story), but I've seen him throw two
alltime doozy interceptions this year.  The other one was against the Eagles,
where he threw a short pass to a group of players, all of whom were Eagles.
Both of those passes made me smack my forehead in disbelief.  What *could*
he have been thinking?


Anyway, it's another ludicrous ending to add to the Foreskin/Cowpie lore:
Danny Copeland will stand tall right alongside Clint Longley, although
for Danny's sake, I hope his career fares better.  Hint to Danny:  don't
pick a fight with Charles Mann in training camp.


					Al
					alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Warren Moon
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:57:19 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <1992Dec15.020224.21640@equalizer.cray.com> mcs@cray.com (Mike Sanfratello) writes:
 >Anyone know if Moon will play this week against Cleveland?
 >
 >mike

He will not play this week. Pardee said "thats wishful thinking",
he will be ready for the Buffalo game they say. The fans here are
calling for heads to roll at the end of the season, the Run-n-Shoot
has worn out its welcome here. Pardee will probably return but I would
look for a lot of new faces in Houston next year. Ernie Givins will most
likely be gone as will some of the other WRs. Givins had said in private
he wants to go somewhere in a standard offense where he can be the main
man, with his ego, this is not a suprise. 

The Dome warriors are no more, remember 11 of 16 games in Domes this year
was supposed to be a cakewalk, thats what the media told everyone here,
and as usual they trusted them (again).

Go Cowboys !!!
tim
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:46:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
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>(walid al-sabah) /  9:43 am  Dec 18, 1992 /
>From the L.A. Times of Thursday 12/17/92

>	Overrated? Even though San Francisco  49er Coach George   Seifert
>	has a 54-3 record, including a Super Bowl victory in 1990, former
>	running back  Roger  Craig  isn't that impressed  with  Seifert's
>	accomplishments.   "Look  at  him  with the talent he has," Craig
>	told the  San Francisco Chronicle. "Anybody can step in and do  a
>	good  job  in that system. It's not like he created  this big era
>	of what they're [49ers] doing. Bill  Walsh did that a  long  time
>	ago."

Sure, it's no sweat to take over a championship team and continue the
tradition.  I'm sure a lot of Packer fans can tell us about the
tremendous success enjoyed by Phil Bengston, who took over for Lombardi.

- Gary Rosen
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:47:44 GMT

>In article: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
>Subject: Re: Washington/Dallas Matchup
In article <1992Dec11.151537.12404@PacBell.COM> JOHN P. GLORIA,
jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>>kick ass, even the Cowboys ass when they play their best. I must
>>
>>Yes, like they did last year at RFK when they were UNDEFEATED????
>>
>>>No shit, Sherlock Holmes! Mine is as good/valid as yours. However,
>>>I am right! 
>>
>>No, you're a dick...

>Say what you will, but I'm outta this thread.
>But, before I go, I must say this:  Dallas did not get to 11-2 by being a
>mediocre team folks.  These guys are legit no matter how much credit
>anyone gives them.  Jimmy Johnson will motivate his team with all of the
>anti-Dallas talk going around and he will prove what I have been saying
>all along.
>
>FRANK
>
>another prediction?  Hell, I'm fired up!  Dallas 42 Skins 20 (:

Okay FRANK, what happend to your almighty, too legit to
lose 'Boys? Don't fuck with someone who is bigger than you
and better than you and that applies to the CowPUSSIES.
Aikman ain't no come back Roger S. And furthermore you
dick, don't mess with the FOOTBALL GODS! :-) :-) YES!
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wilbur Marshall
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:40:02 GMT
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Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <51653@seismo.CSS.GOV> perez@seismo.CSS.GOV (Ricardo L. Perez) writes:
>
>This is coming from a Skins fan, but I have to admit that
>Wilbur will hit you as hard as he can, in any way he can,
>above the waist. That also means he could knock your head off.
>But, I haven't seen him hit someone below the waist in a way
>to maim.  I agree with Ronnie about Waters. He'll get you
>below the waist, and I've personally seen it a few times.
>

  I don't have any problem with his ferocity or hitting hard, but every game
that I've seen Marshall play he's been flagged for a late hit.  I don't have
a problem with him delivering a hard hit to a quarterback, but I have seen
him on more than one occasion use his helmet to spear the quarterback as well.

Actually, I don't have a problem with Waters hitting low so long as he doesn't
use his helmet as a weapon, or go low on a quarterback standing in the pocket
or running out of bounds (like the infamous Jim Everett incident a few years
back).  It's understandable for Waters to tackle low since lets face it, most
running backs are heavier and perhaps stronger than he is.  I don't mean
to defend Andre Waters too much since I do believe he deserved his "Dirty"
Waters nickname.

-rob
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Superbowl
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:06:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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A you
forgot the year 2006 and LSD is legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:10:59 GMT

Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:

>John, John, John;
>	I think you may have been caught in a little contradiction.  So the
>scoreboard counts this week?  Last week the skins were the better team,
>although the records somehow didn't record that.  If I read correctly,
>the scoreboards have had DALLAS as the winner 11 times, how many for the
>Skins?  Better team, John? hmmmmm...  (: (:

>I AM TAKING THIS LOSS WELL, GODDAMMIT!! (where are the rest of my fellow
>cowboy fans, I need some help)   ):

>FRANK

I too am taking this loss well, apart from nearly tearing apart my apartment
yesterday!

Sigh. I was dreaming of 14-2. Guess now I'll have to dream of 13-3. Still
not too shabby, eh?

To John Gloria and all other obnoxious Redskins woofers: the Cowboys were 1-15
in 1989. Heh heh heh. Aren't you still ashamed of that lone Cowboy victory? And
*no way* the Redskins are as good as the Cowboys this year.


-- 

John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
University Plaza
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083

Internet: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
Telephone: (404) 651-2253
FAX: (404) 651-2246
From: ee89rdc@brunel.ac.uk (Richard D Cullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Let's talk next years Draft.
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:23:52 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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My opinion of the RAIDERS draft 

	After viewing the Raiders v Miami game on Tuesday, yes Tuesday, I have  come to the conclusion that although the defense is getting older, there is life in the old dogs yet. Howie Long and Ronnie Lott were outstanding and the club  would be nuts to consider letting either of them go.
	They need, however, to make widescale changes to the offense. Firstly   they should trade the following players
	Marcus Allen - has wanted to go for years and should be given his chance		       besides they could get a decent number of picks for him
	Jay Schroeder - Please let him go 
	Mervyn Fernandez - `Swervin' should be traded for picks
	Bob Golic - Has become surplus to requirements with emergance of Anthony 		    Smith
	Plus Several Offensive Line Players but keeping Mosebar, Montoya and    	Wiesniewski(sp)
Then should then draft or trade for a Quarterback to backup Marinovich, Two Wide Receivers and Several Offensive Lineman. Comments Please.

					Richard `Raider Crazy' Cullen
From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:13:53 GMT

From article <24470@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, by fzorn@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Frank Zorn):
> Let's cheer for them to win their final two games.  If they do, great!  If
> they make the playoffs, great!  If they don't, well, then six other teams
> had a better season, even though the Pack finished strong.  Then all we can
> do is hope they pick up where they left off next season.  I think they will.


	The way I look at this, everything after four wins this year
has been gravy.  Who woud'a thunk it?  It's driving the Bear fans
around here crazy that they can't bother me with things like "what
if the Pack pisses out?".   There's no disappointment here for me;
this has been a fun year, far above my expectations for the Packers.

Hey Packer fans, enjoy the game on Sunday and pull strong for those
Steelers!!

terry
From: x92mangla@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: redskins
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:56:07 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


some one please mail me the redskins score
i heard it is 20-17
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: non-kickers kicking (was Re: Kickers doing double duty as punters)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:26:16
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
	<1992Dec12.150149.3231@cis.ohio-state.edu>
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In-reply-to: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:01:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.150149.3231@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
=>The most recent non-kicker/non-punter to kick in the NFL that I
=>know of was John Anderson, LB for the Packers.  In 1979 against
=>the Jets he hit a 39 yard field goal and made one of two extra
=>point attempts after Chester Marcol was injured.
=>
=>In the late 50s and early 60s Green Bay's kicker was Jerry Kramer,
=>starting offensive guard.

The punter for the Cincinnati Bengals in the early 80's also played
wide receiver.  His name was Pat McInally, and he graduated from
Harvard, if I remember right.  It'll be interesting to see if the BYU
punter makes it to the pros.  For those who don't know, this guy is
*huge* -- he's also a starting defensive lineman.  So much for the
punter not wanting to make a tackle :-).

ethan
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Why do the 49ers get to play by different rules???!!!
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:54:47 GMT

marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall) writes:

>OK, you have a right to be pissed about those calls, but no way did the
>Vikings deserve to win that game. What did they do that was impressive?
>OK, they had seven sacks against a very good (but short-handed) 49ers' OL.
>And the defense made two big plays to account for 14 points. Other than that,
>a very poorly played game by the Vikes. Only ten first downs and only 185
>yards in offense. And even though they sacked Young seven times, Young
>still completed 20 of 26. Face it, the better team won this game, 
>deservedly so.

This is the kind of arrogant prattle that gives the fans of a team a bad
name.  The omnipotent 49ers only allowed seven sacks because the offensive
line was short-handed?  Hello, HELLO, ANYBODY HOME?  The all-powerfull 49ers
only beat the lowly Vikings by 3 points.  The Vikings were playing with a 
good, but short-handed receiving corps (Cris Carter the Vikes leading receiver
is out), and with a vacuum at quarterback.  

John Ganske
From: ee89rdc@brunel.ac.uk (Richard D Cullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Similarities beween the Vikes and the Browns.
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:01:54 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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The Purple Bleeder (sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:

: The Vikes and the Browns are similar in many ways.  Both have
: the uneviable capability to shatter the hope of their fans
: after raising their expectations high.  The history of the
: Vikes bears witness to this: 4 super Bowl losses + many
: other chokes.  As for the Browns.... the "FUMBLE" and the
: "DRIVE"+ other chokes . And howmany times both these teams have snatched
: defeat from the jaws of victory.

: Both do something stupid on the field like lot of mental
: mistakes on the field on crucial and important games. 
: Both have been also unlucky in the past.

: On the field, this season, both have good-D with the
: vikes-D a shade better.  The Browns atleast have some O
: with the Vikes having none at all.

: The Browns lost a crucial game at Detroit after giving their
: fans some hopes for the playoffs and the Vikes look like
: falling apart after almost raising their fan hopes to
: almost Super-Bowl levels.

: I feel tragically comical that I like both these teams, don't
: ask me why?  Try Bud Dry...... :-):-)

: S.H
: And I will go into mourning for the rest of the year if the
: Vikes choke again.

What your trying to say is that they are both CRAP

			Rich.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity'
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:01:43 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec18.151818.1894@ncar.ucar.edu> hammond@grizzly.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Hammond) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.000422.10773@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Muldog) writes:
>> In article <BzFFM5.HEn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
>> >Off Passing yards:  1st
>> >Def Passing yards:  28th
>> 
>> 	Yeah, considering that MOST teams cannot run against the
>>   9'ers, what else are they gonna do but pass? 

Of course, this doesn't explain how the Eagles last year could be 1st against
the run and the pass.  They didn't have an offense to keep the defense off
the field and well-rested, either.

>Another thing to consider is that winning teams often face opponents
>who abandon the rushing game in favor of the passing game to try to 
>catch up.

And this doesn't explain how this year the Cowboys can be 4th against the
pass, while also being one of the highest-scoring teams (tied with Minnesota
for 3rd).

A more logical explanation of the stat is that the 49ers just don't have
a very good secondary, and teams don't even bother trying to run on them.

Daniel Welch
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From: 6069870@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: drive for 5
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:07:36 GMT

 I can understand the hostile actions of fans which dispute 49er
 fans zest and love for the team which makes football the sport it
is today.  hell, if i wasn't a 9r fan, i'd hate em myself. hey....
win win win.... let another team have a shot. right? not!  $$$$$$$$
thats what counts. eddie isn't afraid to shell out the coin to give
his boys the verrrry best. and his return is winning!!!! you assholes
dont like the niners,,, you hate em? don't watch the tube or listen
to the radio, or read the articles. go pay more attention to your own
team while we the niner fans(who have been 9r fans from the kessar stadium
days) sit back with beer in hand and calmly watch the DRIVE FOR 5 jel.

mike       a dedicated season ticket holder for 12 yrs.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: New Orleans fans will enjoy this..
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:38:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



There is an article on New Orleans in the LATimes by their resident 
trouble mongerer Mike Downey. Pretty funny, I thought.



[reproduced without permission]

[...blah..blah..blah...]

So, on behalf of sociable Southern California, we would like to extend an 
invitation to the po' old Saints to take part in Pasadena's swinging Super Bowl 
coming-out party come Jan 31.

After all, New Orleans has always been an excellent host to us. Let us 
be an excellent host to it.

Here are my 25 Reasons WHy the New Orleans Saints Should Be Invited 
to Super Bowl XXVII:

1. Chance to meet people who think "gumbo" is host of NBC morning show.

2. Pasadena willing to keep bars open until weel past 11 p.m (both of them.)

3. Chance to meet people who think "Huey Long" is lineman for the LARaiders.

4. Hey, you want to see "preservation" hall, check out waiting room at 
   Pasadena plastic surgeon's.

5. Saint fans who still wear bags over heads could go to California stores 
   and be offered: "Paper or plastic?"

6. We have always enjoyed this quarterback of yours, Hebert, particularly with
   Siskel.

7. Chance to meet people who think hush puppies are shoes.

8. Curious custom we have here in California--outdoor football.

9. Chance to meet people who figure "Marty Grah" must be somebody's agent.

10. Dreams of New Orleans people celebrating World Series, Staley Cup or
    NBA championship remote at best.

11. Vegetarian jambalaya.

12. Chance to meet people who think "Saint offense" was TV series about
    Boston hospital.

13. Colorado Boulevard exactly like Bourbon Streetm except nobody stands 
    out on sidewalk shouting at sailors to come on in.

14. California lottery to introduce special "Name Five New Orleans Saints"
    game.

15. New Orleans fans can amuse themselves after game by walking from Rose 
    Bowl to nearest night-life district. Nearest night-life district being
    Sunset Strip, crisp 20-mile walk should prove excellent exercise.

16. Can also amuse themselves by asking Pasadenans to name favorite jazz
    artist, then hearing popular response: "Karl Malone."

17. Sympathetic fund-raisers eager to pledge money to New Orleans football
    player tragically stricken with "ironhead."

18. AFC opponent probably no worse than three-touchdown underdog to NO.

19. Gallery oners and Norton Simon Museum proprietors can argue for hours
    over the eerie and abstract artwork they can find on the NO helmets.

20. Chicory decaf.

22. Saint kicker Morten Anderson could get huge World Cup offer if he 
    plays cards right.

23. New Orleans tourists should get goose bumps from new Blaze Starr thrill
    ride at Universal Studios.

24. Chance to meet people who think "Maravich" is 
    quarterback for thje LARaiders.

25. Chance to meet people who think "gumbo" is Disney cartoon elephant.


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