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From: jf3y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeffrey Samuel Finn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:07:15 GMT
	<1992Nov7.162714.6474@utagraph.uta.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>SECRET DEFENDERS:  Dr. Strange does Mission Impossible.  When Doc can't handle
>something, he calls up other heroes to help.  Now, what kind of menace would 
>Gambit really be able to help with that Doc couldn't handle on his own?

Uh.... poisoned Gumbo?  :)

Generic Jeff
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From: 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Where'd all the traffic Go?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:41:56 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


What is going on here?  Ever since the split of REC.ARTS.COMICS, we've
received barely a trickle of postings to the R.A.C hierarchy, and the
ones that have come through lately (a swarm of X-MEN animated postings, 
a few LNH postings, and a couple of others) have been the ones cross-
posted to several newsgroups.

Is there a whole bunch of traffic that we're not receiving at Ball State,
or has the break-up of R.A.C caused a massive stifling of postings?

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From: harry@dnlunx.research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Subject: Re: Where'd all the traffic Go?
Reply-To: H.W.Fluks@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:32:09 GMT

01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell) writes:

>What is going on here?  Ever since the split of REC.ARTS.COMICS, we've
>received barely a trickle of postings to the R.A.C hierarchy, and the
>ones that have come through lately (a swarm of X-MEN animated postings, 
>a few LNH postings, and a couple of others) have been the ones cross-
>posted to several newsgroups.

>Is there a whole bunch of traffic that we're not receiving at Ball State,
>or has the break-up of R.A.C caused a massive stifling of postings?

The traffic of R.A.C went to rec.arts.comics.misc.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks
PTT Research, Leidschendam, Netherlands
H.W.Fluks@research.ptt.nl
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From: jcowling@sol.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.info
Subject: New releases:  November 11-13
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:41:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada


New releases for the week of November 11:

Archie Comics
	Archie & Friends 3
	Archie Americana 2: Best of the Fifties
	Archie Digest 119
	Betty 4
	Jughead 42
	TMNT Mutant Universe Sourcebook 1
	Wild West C.O.W.Boys of Moo Mesa 3

Caliber
	Caliber Presents 1
	Saga of the Realm 1
	Deadworld 25

Comico
	Falls the Gotham Rain 

Dark Horse
	Modern Classics: Freaks Amour 3
	New Hope for Deadline U.S.A. 7
	Spacehawk 4
	Dark Horse Comics 3
	Robocop: Prime Suspect 1
	Robocop vs Terminator 3
	Star Wars: Dark Empire 6

DC Comics
	Adventures of Superman 496 (2nd print)
	Adventures of Superman 497 (2nd print)
	Batman: Sword of Azrael 3
	Comet 18
	Deathstroke the Terminator 17
	Flash 72
	Hawkworld 30
	Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt 5
	Robin 3000 1
	Spectre 2
	Superman 74 (2nd print)
	Superman: The Man of Steel 19
	Timber WOlf 2
	Titans Sell Out Special 1
	Wonder WOman 70
	
Disney
	Colossal Comics Collection 8
	Dinosaurs 1
	Donald Duck Adventures 33

Fantagraphics
	Laundryland 4
	Lloyd Llewelly Special 1
	Neat Stuff 6
	Usagi Yojimbo 36
	Zoot 1

Graffiti Designs
	Mythology of an Abandoned Cit Limited Edition

Malibu
	Pendulum 1
	Sherlock Holmes: Return of the Devil 2
	Dracula: The Suicide Club 4
	Tarzan: The Beckoning 1

Marvel
	Savage Sword of Conan 205
	Alpha Flight 116
	Amazing Spider-Man 372
	Barbie 25
	Darkhold 4
	Ghost Rider 33
	Guardians of the Galaxy 32
	Marvel Super-Heroes 12
	Marvel Super-Heroes Holiday Special 1992
	Marvel Universe Master Edition 25
	Pendragon II 7
	Punisher 74
	Punisher War Zone 10
	Ravage 2099 2
	Silver Sable 8
	Sleepwalker 20
	Thor 457
	Wolverine 65
	Wonder Man 17
	World Championshi Wrestling 10
	Marvel Masterworks 21:  Fantasic Four #31-40

Mirage
	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 52

Tragedy Strikes
	Cheese Heads 5
	Reactor Girl 5
	Sin 3

Valiant
	Harbinger 14
	Solar, Man of the Atom 18

Viz
	Xenon Graphic Novel 3
	Silent Moebius II 4
	
Warp
	Elfquest: The Hidden Years 4

Magazines
	Comic Book Marketplace 20
	Comics Buyers Guide 993
	Pure Images 5

Miscellaneous
	Eclipso Poster
	Nightwing Poster
	Power of Shazam! Poster
	Vigilante Poster
 	Protoculture Addicts 19
	Unity Cards

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From: jcowling@sol.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.info
Subject: New releases: 11/04 - 11/06
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:14:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sol.1992Nov5.061410.26822
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada


This is the stuff released by one major distributor between November 4 and 6.

AC Comics
	Femforce 54

Archie Comics
	Archie Pals 'n' Gals Double Digest 1
	Betty & Veronica 60
	Jughead Double DIgest 15
	Mighty Mutanimals 7
	Sonic the Hedgehog 0

Black and White (Miscellaneous)
	Pandora Pill 1
	Distant Soil 2
	Minstrel Fair 1
	Mr Average 1
	Tylor 1
	Baard 1
	Devolving Man 1

Blue Sky Blue
	Nestrobber 1

Caliber
	Deadworld 24
	International Cowgirls 1
	Mr Trianglehead: Special Edition 1

Comic Zone
	Freaks of Nature Trading Card Edition 1
	Screen Monsters 1
	UFOs Alien Contact 1

Dark Horse
	Caravan Kidd 4
	Cheval Noir 35
	New Frontier 1
	Ring of Roses 1
	Venus Wars II 5
	Grendel: War Child 4
	Herbie 2
	Mask Returns 1

DC Comics
	Action 684
	Batman Adventures 3
	Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight 40
	Blackhawk Special 1
	Congorilla 2
	Darkstars 3
	Detective 654
	Eclipso 2
	Fly 17
	Green Arrow 69	
	Guy Gardner 3
	Justice League Europe 45
	Justice Society of America 5
	Legion of Super-Heroes 38
	Robin III: Cry of the Huntress 1
	Superman 73 (2nd print)
	Superman: The Man of Steel 18 (3rd print)
	Star Trek: Debt of Honor TPB

Eclipse
	Spitting Image 1
	Beanworld Book Two

Fantagraphics
	Cadavera 1
	Cadavera 2
	Critters 50
	Holo Brothers 3
	Arcane Eye of Hogarth Signed/Numbered GN
	Love and Rockets 6: Duck Feet GN
	Usagi Yojimbo Book Two

Innovation
	Quantum Leap 9

Kitchen Sink
	Spirit: The Origin Years 4

Lethargic
	Lethargic Comics Weakly 11

Malibu
	Merlin 1
	Monster Posse 1
	Robotech Sentinels II 16

Marvel
	A-1 1
	Avengers West Coast 90
	Cage 10
	Captain America 411
	Daredevil 312
	Darkhawk 23
	Dinosaurs: A Celebration (1-4)
	Excalibur 60
	Iron Man Milestone Edition 55
	Mutatis 2
	Namor 34
	Nightstalkers 3
	Nomad 9
	Original Ghost Rider 7
	Ren & Stimpy 2
	Savage Return of Dracula 2
	She-Hulk 47
	Spectacular Spider-Man 195
	Spider-Man 2099
	Toxic Crusaders 8
	Uncanny X-Men 296
	Web of Spider-Man 96
	X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda TPB

Millenium
	Pat Savage: Woman of Bronze Special 1

NEC
	Chroma-Tick 4

Northwynd
	Elfheim 2

Now
	Fright Night 3-D Halloween Special 1

Raw
	X

Rebel Studios
	Dog 1-2

Rip-Off Press
	Rockers 3
	Savage Henry 23
	Catseye Agency 2

Sun Comics
	High School Agent 1-2
	Ragnarok Guy 3-4
	Raika 9-12

Valiant
	Archer & Armstrong 6
	Magnus Robot Fighter 21
	Shadowman 10

Miscellaneous
	Comics Interview 115
	Comics Buyers Guide 992
	Comics Arena 4

Very Miscellaneous
	Silver Spider Bolo Tie
	Adam Warlock Cutout Figure Pin
	Bishop Panel Pin
	Cable Logo Pin
	Carnage Head Pin
	Ghost Rider Head Pin
	Morbius Cutout Figure Pin
	Morbius Logo Pin
	Punisher Panel Pin
	Silver Spider Big Pin
	Silver Spider Pin
	Spider-Man 2099 Figure Pin
	Spirits of Vengeance Logo Pin
	Thor's Hammer Pin
	Lobo Statue
	


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Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria
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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: How to order new Matisse collection book
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:40:17 GMT

I'm looking for information on how to order the new book on the Matisse
collection at the New York Museum of Modern Art.  

Please e-mail me if you have any information.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
From: ksagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros (Inf4 - hiwi))
Subject: Re: Restricted syllabus
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:04:42 GMT
Keywords: ballroom, mailing list

Hello,

in Germany the same rules for the same classes (D,C) are used. But they are not
taken seriously. For example at the Bavarian D-Championship there were couples 
which had parts in their choreography, that are allowd in B-Class upward, and 
they didn't get disqualified. At the Bavarian C-Championship (someone who was 
there told me this, so don't blame me if it is not correct) only 7 couples out
of the 40 or 50 something followed the restrictions. The couples that violated 
the restrictions worst got a warning, but that has no consequences I guess.

Konstantin
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From: dusenbury@rddvax.decnet.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Waltz Recommendations
Keywords: ballroom, mailing list
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:01:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov13.181108.15691
Reply-To: dusenbury@rddvax.decnet.lockheed.com
Organization: None
Gatewayed-From: ballroom@athena.mit.edu

These are excerpts from a list I put on the net some months  ago. 
I  have  picked the ones with clearest rhythm (as well as  I  can 
remember).   The   nunber   after  the  @   is   the   tempo   in 
measures/minute. The asterisks are a crude measure of how much  I 
liked  it  (****  is  max). The terse  commentary  is  also  from 
(somewhat rusty) memory.
    
>> CAROLINA MOON - Maureen McGovern @28 45 RPM Single       
    *** strong vocal, clear rhythm
    NOTE: Also available on her "Greatest Hits" CD

>> COULD I HAVE THIS DANCE - Anne Murray @30 45 RPM Single 
    **** a classic somewhat schmaltzy favorite
    NOTE: also on a GREATEST HITS CD

>> EVER TRUE - Juice Newton @32 "Quiet Lies"          
    *** very clear rhythm, good vocal, slightly country

>> FOOLISH - Johnny Mathis @30 "I'm Coming Home" 
    ** another favorite vocal, rhythm clear, used a lot

>> IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME BY NOW - Simply Red @31 "A New Flame" 
    *** vocal with good modern/pop arrangement

>> JUST  A  LITTLE  LOVIN'  -  Barbara  Streisand  @32  "Stony  End" ######
    *** good romantic up tempo vocal with strong rhythm

>> LAST CHEATER'S WALTZ - Emmylou Harris @32 "Cimarron"
    **** great folk/country classic, strong rhythm

>> RUN FOR THE ROSES - Dan Fogelberg @30 "The Innocent Age" 
    *** strong vocal with steady rhythm, good musical backing

>> SAM - Olivia Newton-John @32 "Don't Stop Believing" 
    *** somewhat overused classic, strong rhythm

>>TOGETHER - Anne Murray @30 "Together"               
    *** really nice warm, romantic vocal

I hope this helps. 

Jay Dusenbury
DUSENBURY@GALAXY.DECNET.LOCKHEED.COM
From: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re:    Help - Waltz music
Date: 13 Nov 1992 03:57:47 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Nov13.002822.21979@news2.cis.umn.edu> esper@cs35b.cs.umn.edu (Dave Sherohman) writes:
>A personal favorite is Journey's "Open Arms"...  Decent tempo (don't ask for
>MPM - I don't know and I don't care), fairly obvious beat, and I've used it
>with beginners (ie about 3 weeks into an introductory large group class) without
>any significant problems (most of the people who couldn't find the beat couldn't
>find it in "Fascination" either).

"Fascination" is a great song for doing demos and such but I would not
recommend it for anyone below pre-championship level. Thanks for the tip on
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
From: microsoft!csaba@cs.washington.edu
Subject: Info request: Las Vegas, HI
Gatewayed-From: ballroom@athena.mit.edu
Reply-To: microsoft!csaba@cs.washington.edu
Organization: None
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:16:30 GMT
Keywords: ballroom, mailing list

	I will be travelling to Las Vegas for Comdex (Nov. 19-22) and
to Hawaii for Vacation (Dec. 4 - 12, mostly Maui, Honolulu at the end.
I would appreciate recommendations of dance spots/events in those
areas, especially where a single individual can comfortably go.
I characterize myself as advanced intermediate in smooth, beginner to
intermediate in Latin; age 30.

			Thanks in advance for any info,
				Csaba Peter Gabor
				email: csaba@microsoft.com
				phone: (206)-936-3323
				usmail: One Microsoft Way
					Redmond, WA  98052
From: psanders@everest.srd.bt.co.uk (Paul Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Restricted syllabus
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: psanders@srd.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

From article <1992Nov7.031422.15469@cbnews.cb.att.com>, by troyer@ips.id.ethz.ch:
> 
> I just wanted to get rid of my anger at today's championships. 
> How are restrictions in the syllabus checked in other countries?
> I hope that it is handled in a better way in your country.

Here in the UK it is operated very haphazardly indeed (much to my annoyance,
too!). Some judges look out for it whilst others don't really care. If someone
does get spotted doing out of syllabus steps then they are always warned
(sometimes twice) before getting kicked out (or placed 6th if its a final).
It doesn't happen very often though.

When it comes to Beginners and Novices (the ones usually suffering/enjoying
the restrictions) dancing outside the rules I think the teachers should get
the warning. It is the teacher's responsibility to ensure that their couples
are within the rules - it is unfair to penalise the couple when, presumably,
they don't know any better.

Paul.
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From: schmidt@net1.ics.uci.edu (Douglas C. Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re:    Help - Waltz music
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:19:37 GMT
Reply-To: schmidt@ics.uci.edu (Douglas C. Schmidt)
Organization: University of California at Irvine: ICS Dept.

In article <1dubcdINNnjh@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm) writes:
++ In article <92316.155932AGLAP@ASUACAD.BITNET>, <AGLAP@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
++ > I need help in finding an appropriate song for a 2-minute waltz
++ > performance for the final project in a beginning ballroom
++ > dance class that I'm taking.  I'd like something with a slow to
++ > moderate tempo and a very obvious beat (my partner and I are
++ > improving but we're still clutzes).  I'd prefer something
++ > contemporary, or at least not too obscure, that I can find
++ > easily at the local Tower Records on cassette.  I've already
++ > listened to some classical waltzes (Blue Danube, Tchaikovsky, Mozart),
++ > and these were much to fast for us.
++ The Viennese Waltz is not something I would recommend for a beginner, nor for
++ a two minute performance.
++
++ >
++ Here are some suggestions:
++
++ Title			BPM	Artist - Album
++
++ Tonight			 30	Barbara Mandrell - "Best of Barbara Mandrell"
++ I Wonder Why		 30	Curtis Stigers - "Curtis Stigers"
++
++ The songs are longer than two minutes, but you can just fade them out at the
++ right time.

Another two good waltz songs are

	Can I have this dance?  by Anne Murray

and

	Open Arms.	By Journey

	Doug
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From: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re:    Help - Waltz music
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:30:21 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
Distribution: world
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In article <92316.155932AGLAP@ASUACAD.BITNET>, <AGLAP@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
> I need help in finding an appropriate song for a 2-minute waltz
> performance for the final project in a beginning ballroom
> dance class that I'm taking.  I'd like something with a slow to
> moderate tempo and a very obvious beat (my partner and I are
> improving but we're still clutzes).  I'd prefer something
> contemporary, or at least not too obscure, that I can find
> easily at the local Tower Records on cassette.  I've already
> listened to some classical waltzes (Blue Danube, Tchaikovsky, Mozart),
> and these were much to fast for us.
The Viennese Waltz is not something I would recommend for a beginner, nor for 
a two minute performance.

> 
Here are some suggestions:

Title			BPM	Artist - Album

Tonight			 30	Barbara Mandrell - "Best of Barbara Mandrell"
I Wonder Why		 30	Curtis Stigers - "Curtis Stigers"

The songs are longer than two minutes, but you can just fade them out at the 
right time.
-- 
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From: JLW@psulias.psu.edu (J.Lance Wilkinson, 814-865-1818)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Info request: Las Vegas, HI
Keywords: ballroom, mailing list
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:47:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov9.170757.10615
Reply-To: "J.Lance Wilkinson, 814-865-1818" <JLW@psulias.psu.edu>
Organization: None
Gatewayed-From: ballroom@athena.mit.edu

>	I will be travelling to Las Vegas for Comdex (Nov. 19-22) and
>to Hawaii for Vacation (Dec. 4 - 12, mostly Maui, Honolulu at the end.
>I would appreciate recommendations of dance spots/events in those
>areas, especially where a single individual can comfortably go.
>I characterize myself as advanced intermediate in smooth, beginner to
>intermediate in Latin; age 30.

Funny you should mention this; I'll be at DECUS in LasVegas only a week or so
later; I'd be interested in hearing any LasVegas-specific answers you receive
by direct mail; I'm posting this to the list as well so any readers
knowledgable about the LasVegas opportunities might answer me as well. 
Personally, I'm only looking for novice-level stuff.  While I've been ballroom
dancing now for close to 14 years, I've never felt the urge to enter into
competition -- although I've done my share of performance work before a heel
spur slowed me down ;-)

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From: esper@cs35b.cs.umn.edu (Dave Sherohman)
Subject: Re:    Help - Waltz music
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:28:22 GMT

A personal favorite is Journey's "Open Arms"...  Decent tempo (don't ask for
MPM - I don't know and I don't care), fairly obvious beat, and I've used it
with beginners (ie about 3 weeks into an introductory large group class) without
any significant problems (most of the people who couldn't find the beat couldn't
find it in "Fascination" either).

Dave Sherohman
esper@ima.umn.edu
From: death@alexandria.lcs.mit.edu (Mark A. Sheldon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Sewing Pattern for Mens Dancing Suit
Keywords: ballroom, mailing list
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:00:34 GMT
Reply-To: death@alexandria.lcs.mit.edu (Mark A. Sheldon)
Organization: None
Gatewayed-From: ballroom@athena.mit.edu


   From: Stepan Riha <stepan@natinst.com>
   Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:08:08 -0600
   Reply-To: Stepan Riha <stepan@natinst.com>
   Gatewayed-From: rec.arts.dance
   Send-Updates-To: ballroom-request@athena.mit.edu (For Add/Delete/Change)

   I'm looking for a sewing pattern for a competition ballroom dance tail suit.
   Does anybody know where such a pattern can be baught?  I've heard that most
   competitive suits are made in the UK.  Any addresses or contacts would be
   appreciated.


Stepan,

Don't do it!  Any man's suit is more complicated than virtually any
article of female clothing.  A tailsuit is more complicated than any
suit.  And a dance tailsuit is sufficiently different from a standard
tailsuit that I wouldn't even trust an experienced tailor of men's
tailsuits (not just formal wear) to make one.  I do not sew, but I do
know several female dancers who make their own gowns, and they all say
they will not touch a tailsuit ---- especially the shoulders.  I have
one male dancing friend who was embarking on this project, and he gave
up.  *And* I know another male dancer whose brother makes men's suit
jackets for a living (and has lots of specialized equipment to form
shoulders, etc.) and he still won't go anywhere but to a dance tailor.

Was that emphatic enough? :-)  If you are interested in the art, go
ahead and explore, but don't think that this is a low-cost path to a
good tailsuit.  You will still spend a lot (you'll throw away a lot of
material I expect :(  ) and you'll come out with a suit that will
distract judges.  

In the past most tailsuits were made in the UK.  Specifically, Ron Gunn,
as the British tailor who came to North America a few times a year, had
a lock on the market.  To do better, you had to go to London for a
fitting (and it would be a more expensive suit too).  Things have
changed.  Many people still use Ron Gunn, but we are lucky to have an
excellent tailor in the LA area --- Onik.  I have an Onik suit that I
bought used from my coach.  It replaced a Ron Gunn, and I will never go
back.  Onik's suits are cheaper, far better looking, and have superb
shoulder lines without the use of cardboard or plastic (read breakable)
shoulder stays.  To get better suits, you would have to fly to London or
Tokyo.  My feelings are shared by several other Amateurs who also have
Onik suits.  I know of no dissatisfied customers.  (Disclaimer:  I have
no connection with Onik other than that of satisfied customer.)
According to a back issue of DanceScene, Onik's phone number is
213-380-3272, and his address is 3968 West Sixth St., Los Angeles, CA
90020.  His prices vary considerably depending on the material you
choose. 

-Mark
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