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From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re: 5.25 Question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:51:13 GMT

FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL writes

> RTFQ, Tom -- read the full question!  Pascal won't boot from slot 7.  
> Putting the 5.25 in slot 5 causes some older copy protected programs to 
> gag and quit.  My son has already dealt with the problem by using a small 
> Applesoft program on the 5.25 to boot the 3.5 in a lower slot.  I was just 
> looking for a more elegant solution.  Thanks for the answers, though.  I 
> guess I just put too much info in my questions -- all I really wanted to 
> find out was whether the 5.25 drives sold with the GS are the 'smart' ones 
> or merely repackaged dumb drives.  It seems the latter is the case.

	Apple has not really modified the Disk II drive over the last 12 or so  
years that it has been out. They added a few things to the ROM for daisy  
chaining and some stuff so that the computer doesn't sit there and try to read  
from it all day, but all and all, its still the same mechinism. Amazing though  
that Apple still charges $250 retail for it....

| Hal Bouma                            | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu    |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
Subject: Re: AppleSoft Basic Question
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.071014.13355@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz) writes:
>I remember reading a trick to convert an AppleSoft basic program to a text
>file so it could be printed out with a word processor.  Can anyone help me
>out with the method required to do this trick?  Somehow I lost the article.

off the top of my head - I hope it's correct :-

0 D$=CHR(4)
1 ?D$"OPEN FILE"
2 ?D$"WRITE FILE"
3 LIST 10,10000
4 ?D$"CLOSE FILE"
5 END

>I believe there is also a way to turn the text file back into an AppleSoft
>Basic program.  Any help would be appreciated.

] EXEC FILE

>	Many thanks,
>		...Mike
>Michael Heintz, Oakland University - Rochester, Michigan
>InterNet:  mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu 
>BITNET:    mkheintz@oakland.BITNET


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From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: NuLib where?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:56:56 GMT


I tried retrieving the NuLib 3.2.3 sources from Plains.NoDak.Edu (via
FTPMail) and found that tar choked about halfway through - thus the file
seems to be corrupted. I also retrieved SHRView v3.6b from the incoming
directory, and it was also corrupted (ShrinkIt choked). Is this a problem
with Plains, or did some incorrigible mailer between North Dakota and
Cleveland mess things up for me? I've gotten things from Plains before 
without trouble...

Assuming that the file on Plains is corrupt, where is the latest version
of NuLib? I looked on avalanche and headcrash and didn't see anything newer
than 3.1.3. And is SHRView 3.6 anywhere else?

Please reply via email as I'm unable to keep up with csa2 these days B-(.

What is the the newest NuLib revision for that matter?

Thanks...


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From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  UDC (was Re: 3.5 DRIVES / IIE(400k drives)
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:20:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

David Wilson writes:
>I used to run an old Mac 800k drive (M0131) on my UDC and while it did work
>it was dreadfully slow (9 minutes to scan a disk). I bought a 3rd party Mac
>compatible drive and this is 6 times faster.

I helped someone setup some Apple 3.5 drives (a'la GS) on two Apple //e systems
via CPS UDC cards... dreadfully slow doesn't come close to describing the drive
performance on the UDC.  File copy (with Copy II Plus) of an AppleWorks backup
disk took more than 25 minutes to copy... the Main Dictionary file took more
than 10 minutes all by itself.  Needless to say, the UDC cards were exchanged
for Apple 3.5 controllers, and performance is on par with a 1mhz GS.

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works.
From: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Do you have it? (Robot Odyssey)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:34:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1dfdgcINNol0
Reply-To: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130c2.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov5.090419.164990@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> egg@dstos3.dsto.gov.au  
writes:
> I am looking for someone who has a copy or Robot Odyssey. I know its an  
ancient
> game but I'm trying to write something based on it. If anyone knows where I  
can
> get a hold of a copy or at least a tatty old copy of the manual (if the game
> is not entirely extinct yet)?
> 
> Themie Gouthas
> egg@dstos3.dsto.gov.au

Yea, I have a copy of that around somewhere... it is at home right now as I  
don't use 5.25 anymore.  I still have the orig. disks with manuals.

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From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: McKinsey syndrome? (Was re: the Demise of DeskTracker...)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:55:47 GMT

In article <bazyar.720987333@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>anthony@seas.smu.edu (Richard Anthony) writes:
>>and i am sure Ian has
>>his reasons for why he wont let richard use the code.

>  Not really.

Is it just me, or has Jawaid turned into Chris McKinsey, quoting something
(like this, or the ASIC), writing two or three words which don't mean much,
and appending his .sig? :)

> Jawaid Bazyar              |   Ask me about the GNO Multitasking Environment



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   Ask me about the GS<>IRC demo...better yet ask daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!
From: "Volker Herrmann" <CD46@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: AppleSoft Basic Question
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:42:33 GMT

Wulf Hofbauer writes:

> Append the following lines to your program:
>
> 63000 print chr$(4);"OPEN LISTFILE":print chr$(4);"WRITE LISTEFILE"
> 63010 list 1,62999
> 63020 print chr$(4);"CLOSE":end
>
> and then do a "RUN 63000".
> To convert it back to a BASIC file, use
>
> NEW
> EXEC LISTFILE
> SAVE BASFILE
>
> This doesn't work perfectly for all instances (eg. long BASIC lines or DATA
> lines) but is simple.

This is the point where you need the POKE 33,33. It sets the right
margin of the screen to 33 and so there's no need to delete spaces
in the LISTFILE.

>
> - Wulf
>

Volker - apple2gs@tchibm2.chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de
From: gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Ultima/Origin Systems Info Needed
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:53:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle) writes:

: and dumped the Apple II line we all love so much.  Living here in Origin Land 
: (Austin Texas) I have met quite a few people who work there.  (Some even 

     Actually Austin Texas is now Origin Land but it didn't used to be.
Since they have moved all of thier employees there they have gone strickly
IBuM.  They used to reside out of Manchester N.H.  If you have AutoDuel you
can actually go to Manchester and see it.(Well sort of)  I don't think they
are there anymore though.  Just like you, I was also told to apply for a 
job there right before they left and now I am glad I didn't.  I like 
programming on the IIgs I would have had to leave that behind.(I also
wouldn't have been able to go back to college.  A dream of mine.)  I even
got to see the cover of one of the last games they did for the II line.
Thier artist was real talented.  The picture was about 3 feet high and it
looked great.  I have the game at home and my kid plays it.  Hmmmm.... 
What is it called?  He always gets it wrong.  Oh well can't remember.  
Of course, that was 3(or was it 4) years ago.

Gary
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 5.25 Question
From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:04:19 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <9211031336.AA11933@apple.com>, FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL writes:
> Can anyone tell me if the standard 5.25 drives sold for the //GS (since the
> time ROM 3 was released) are 'Unidisks' or simply repackaged dumb 5.25
> drives? 

There are no intelligent 5.25 drives. They look different and connect to your
machine differently, but every 5.25 drive ever made works the same way.

> The //GS Smartport will recognize the dumb drive's lack of communication
> and continue through its scan for a boot disk.  I believe the 5.25 Unidisks
> are themselves 'smart' and provide the same capability when mounted on a
> //e. I would verify this myself but my son's computer is in Florida, my
> daughter's is in Kentucky and I'm in Ohio.  Any help from you folks would
> be greatly appreciated. 

I have a //e and two IIgs'es, and two '83 vintage Disk II's and two of the grey
5.25's like you can get nowadays. I have both the old Disk II card and the new
card with the DB-19 to go in the //e. I have tried out the drives on these
machines and here are my observations:

Any drive connected to a card in a //e will spin until you hit reset if there
is no disk present. Both the grey drives connected to the new card and the Disk
II's connected to the old card do this.

Using an adapter to connect a Disk II to the IIgs' drive port, it is able to 
tell whether it can boot from the drive and pass control to slot 5 if not. This
is just like the grey drives do.

So you can conclude that "intelligence" is a function of the drive interface
rather than of the drive itself. So swapping drives will cause you to need
either an adapter or a new card for the //e and will gain nothing.

Randy Shackelford     cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Subject: Re: OMF Structure and other things
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:33:23 GMT

u9050728@cs.uow.edu.au (Shane Kelvin Richards) writes:
>	A couple of questions, where can I get information on the structure
>of a OMF file? ( a technote?).

Two places (at least) that I know of.  The IIgs GS/OS Reference Manual
and the docs for Albert Chin's excellent COFF utility (COFF.BIN.SHK
and COFF.SRC.SHK on finer FTP sites everywhere).  The second location
will cost you less than the first... :)

>	Secondly, is there any utilities which allow me to take several
>binary files (they might be sound data or graphic bitmaps) and throw them
>into a .lnk file which I can link into my programs, which I can access
>by seperate labels.

I think Merlin 16 (+) ? has/had a program to convert BIN files into
LNK files.  Check your manual if you have Merlin.  Otherwise, you can
get the OMF docs and write your own short program to do the job.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mday@apple.com (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: 5.0.4 and Mac FST?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:27:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2

In article <ALFARRIS.92Nov4133307@rodan.syr.EDU>, alfarris@rodan.syr.EDU
(Andrew L. Farris) wrote:
> 
>     Having yet not updated to system 6.0 due to memory constraints, I'm not
> familliar with it.. I heard somewhere that included with 6.0 is a Mac FST that
> lets you read macintosh formatted disks, is there any way I could get this
> FST, install it on my 5.0.4 disk and use it successfully under 5.0.4? 

Don't try it.  You should NEVER, EVER, mix parts of the OS between
different
versions of system software.  In fact, there were small changes in the
interface between the OS and FST's going from 5.0.4 to 6.0 which might make
the HFS FST work wrong under 5.0.4.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: DeskWriter and Proterm 3.0
From: hdgarner@acs.harding.edu
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:16:45 -0500
Reply-To: hdgarner@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

Could someone tell me if it is possible to print on a HP DeskWriter from Proterm 3.0. Seems I remember something about it in A+/InCider a while back but I do not remember exactly what it said about it. What I want to do is a local print to the DeskWriter while connected to a system running VMS. I have tried and it recognizes the printer and then begins to print a lot of garbage. 
Thanx.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: >paper docs re:newPort/killPort
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  4 Nov 92 21:40:52 GMT

>Dave
  You said there were paper docs for newPort. Where? Was the for -sale Source
Code Sampler updated to include the May 1990 sample code? I didn't think it was. I actually do have a use for
an offscreen port (thus my Q about grafPort widths) and could
use newPort/killPort _if_ I get around to it; that is a big if nowadays,
though -- I'm quite busy.

Jay
jay.krell@cornell.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Subject: DeskTracker's back...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:31:28 GMT

	Ian has changed his mind and decided that I can once again
distribute his code with my finder extension..  I appreciate the help
offered by various members of the GS community.  I also would like to
say that it was equally frightening that only one person mailed me
regarding it who was not a developer of apple software...   It seems
the only people interested in supporting the GS these days are the
people that actually program on it..  I guess I would have realized
that before if I had really thought about it.  and people complain
about why the GS doesn't have many people developing for it..  Oh
well..
		Thanks again to those who offered to help..
					Richard
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From: sledbett@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shawn Ledbetter)
Subject: Double low/hi Res
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 23:59:07 GMT

I've read somewhere about the Apple ][e/][c/][gs that it can handle
double lo-res/hi-res.  Does anyone know the poke values or any other
information I need.  Thanks in advance.

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From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS modem port + Prime BBS
Summary: Can Prime be made to work with the GS modem port?
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:11:45 GMT
Organization: Eastern Michigan University

I have a friend trying to get Prime working on his GS.  He has an external
modem (Everex somethingorother) and Prime doesn't seem to talk to it.
The Prime documentation says nothing about the GS modem port, but does
mention external modems and Super Serial Cards.

Can Prime be forced to work with the GS modem port?  
We do NOT want to buy a SSC just to mess around with his BBS.
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From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Subject: Re: Resource Manager troubles
Keywords: ORCA/C, resources
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.190608.15280@ll.mit.edu> meins@ll.mit.edu (Chuck Meins) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I've been working my way through the ByteWorks book on learning to use the
>Toolbox in C and I've run into a problem with resources.  The first problem with
>resources is a simple event loop with only the basic menu items.  I can compile
>and run the problem OK.  However, on exit the machine goes to the 40 column
>text screen with the message:
>	"Could not load/unload resource
>		Type 8006
>		ID=00000001
>		Error=1E06"
>(plus the running open/close apple in the middle of the screen).  According to
>the book, error 1E06 belongs to the Resource Manager and means that the
>specified resource wasn't found.  What am I doing wrong?
>
>P.S. ROM 01 GS with 1.75MB GS-RAM, two 3.5" drives off the Smartport, two
>5.25" drives off of an old Apple Disk ][ controller card, and a 20MB Vulcan
>
>Chuck Meins, Jr.
>meins@ll.mit.edu	/* where do you send to for those nifty sig lines? */

I am going through the same tutorial and got the same error message a few
weeks back!  What happened to me was that I was using the "rez" source
file from the previous problem as a template and I had forgotten to put in
some rPStrings for some of my new menu titles. So, check to see if you have
all your rPStrings (That is what Type 8006 is!).

Paul Schultz
schultp@wl.com

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From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Editors
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:11:39 GMT

In article <9231715.22714@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> robm@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Mueller) writes:
> 
> I'm looking for peoples comments on editors (source code type).

I use EdIt-16, from SSSi.  It supports 9 files (including a
split-screen mode where you can view/edit two files at once).
Unfortunately it is somewhat buggy (macro recording in particular), and
hasn't been updated since its original release.
One big advantage: you can customize all the keys.

I would probably use the ORCA 2.0 editor, but I hate its file dialogs.

Other than EdIt-16, I use a TextEdit-based editor I've written myself,
which has the advantage of supporting very large source files.
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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Status of Apple IIGS Ethernet Card?
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:49:35 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <mday-061192144157@daybreak.apple.com> mday@apple.com 
(Mark Day) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.063357.21006@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>yucath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Cathay Kwok Tai Yu) wrote:
>> 
>> I was wondering what was the status of the upcoming (?) Apple IIGS Ethernet
>> card.  Is it still in production/beta testing?  Developments along with
>> System Software 6.0.1?
>
>It's still going....  (Boing, boing, boing, just like the Energizer
>rabbit).
>
>It's a very complex project -- the card is more complex than a IIe, almost
>as complex as a IIGS.  It just takes time to get things working right and
>then tested on a reasonable variety of systems.

I don't think so :-)  Everyone knows that the GS is more complex than the
Space Shuttle, ya know ;)

Honestly though, I don't see how the Ethertalk card could be that complex.
I'm not trying to dog you, I can understand if you have limited time to devote
to such a product.  I just don't see it as being "more complex than a IIe".

>Mark Day, Apple Computer, Inc.
>mday@apple.com
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From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Digitizing in color??
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:47:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <6T1ZTB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung) writes:
>When I worked at Egghead, I remember seeing a device which is like an
>easle with a frame to hold a hand held scanner. It came bundled with
>software which would convert a grey-scale scanner to a color scanner.
>All one would have to do  is put a color picture under the scanner,
>pass it over the picture three times and the software would generate
>a color picture. Of course this was only availible for IBM compatible
>computers. What I'd like to know is if this same technology could
>work on a GS. I've already got a Quickie scanner and it does an
>excellent job in scanning grey scale, but to color a picture in a
>paint program requires a big effort.
> 
Well, of course it would work on the GS.  What they were doing (and
apparently this is internal) is using different color filters (or light
sources) for each scan and then using software to combine the images.
CCD cameras are typically most sensitive in the yellow-green range, which
accounts for the yellow-green light source seen in most scanners.  One could
make a set of red, green, and blue filters that fit over the scanner window,
but if the light source isn't sufficiently white, this wouldn't work well.
One has to make allowances in the different intensity levels registered 
for each color to make the final image look right, but that can be handled 
by software too.  It may lower the total color resolution since for a low
level signal, the entire value would correspond to only the few MSB's of a
stronger signal.  (I.E. Blue may give values of 0-16 while yellow might 
have a range of 0-128 in intensity.  To put them on the same scale requires
dividing the yellow by 8 and loosing the 3 LSB's.  (Note, 3 bits of resolution
for each of three colors would allow for 512 colors, so it's no big deal if
you don't get the full resolution of the scanner.  8 bits WOULD be nice; that's
16 MEGS of colors!!  (16,777,216 colors))
>
>Herbert Fung              herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

Michael Foegelle

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