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From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:37:40 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <3581@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>
>  The assumption being that you're dealer lets you try it in the store,
>games canb be evaluated that way, applications need more time then a 10
>minute test drive.
>
>  -jack-

Sorry, Jack.  Not having stores like that around here, I didn't make
the connection.  We >do< have stores with a 30-day no questions return
policy, but after a few returns you're (probably reasonably) assumed
to be a pirate and they tell you to go away.

bill
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From: gfm@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:17:48 GMT

In article <AHANSFOR.92Aug17235152@coal.wpi.edu> ahansfor@coal.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
 daveh>  An '020 would make sense in a faster A500/A600 class machine.
 daveh> A real (eg, full 32-bit) '020 system would be faster than the
 daveh> silly 16-bit '030 Mac or '386SX systems at most things.

Andrew> But why not an EC030 so as to keep the Amiga's busses as similar as

	Probably because the original article was talking about using
Virtual Memory.  Commodore MUST be planning on making this a part of 
the Operating System someday (even if not for 3.0, etc) so it would make
sense to release new systems with MMUs, something the EC's don't have
(or, if they have them, are untested and disabled)



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From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:23:07 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug12.011334.16701@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> In article <34180@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> >It wouldn't work on most of the A500s out there without additional expense,
> >then.  Also, its slightly tricky to put a rom for the 256K of the CDTV OS
> >on a SCSI port.
> 
>    Not very difficult to solve, really.  Just ZKick that part of the CDTV ROM
> OS, or make a Zorro II card with this 256K ROM and a SCSI interface for the
> CD-ROM drive.  I would prefer the former, though, so that people who already
> have SCSI interfaces on their Amigas do not have to tie up a slot just for
> the 256K of ROM.  

You're in Andy's killfile, but it's a good and reasonable point, you give
there (at last?), so hopefully they'll read this follow-up quotation...


> Marc Barrett -MB-

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From: amuser@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:51:38 GMT

akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman) writes:

>Is there an e-mail address where we can reach Pournelle?

Recently Byte published an Internet address for the letters page :

letters@bytepb.byte.com

Gary McGhee

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 21 Rules for c.s.a.a postings
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:01:33 GMT
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries

In article <1992Aug19.074100.920@agora.uucp> tinman@agora.uucp (David Tinnyo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.105340.8911@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>>
>>		3:Okay, even if you must post one of those XYZ has this, so
>>		  it must mean the imminent death of the Amiga, at least keep
>>		  XYZ in the same class as an Amiga.  No comparisons to game 
>>		  decks, PLEASE!  This is like comparing a lawn mower to a go-
>>		  kart.  They both generally travel at the same speeds, but one
>>		  is more versatile than the other.
>
>Well I've been agonizing over this, and I MUST know...
>
>Which IS more versatile:  A go-kart or a lawnmower ??????

Isn't it obvious?  The lawnmower, of course!  Can you cut grass with a go-kart?
Only after expensive modification, and even then it wouldn't do much of a job,
but lawnmowers are quite capable of being sat on and going down hills very
fast, so I rest my case.  I will admit that the lack of steering in mowers
could be a problem, but then you could always go with a ride-on model.  But,
maybe that's too up-market...

This has to be the silliest thread I've ever seen here!   :-)


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From: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:04:13 GMT
Reply-To: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug19.051511.21091@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>   If all that Commodore can manage to develop after more than two years is
>a standalone player, AmigaVision might as well be dead.

We have released three separate version since its introduction, each with
more features than the previous versions.

The new version will have much more than a standalone player, and we will
announce those new features on comp.sys.amiga.multimedia in the middle of
September.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

John Campbell
Director, Commodore Applications and Technical Support
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Re: atari users, go home!
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:25:24 GMT


In a previous article, robert.buonincontro@canrem.com ("robert buonincontro") says:

>
>                              **ATTENTION**
>                                   ALL
>                      **ATARI USERS INVADING THIS NET**
> 
> If the Atari Falcon is as good as you people say it is then people will
>buy it. If the Atari Falcon is not a good machine then people will pass
>it by. If Amiga users are interested in the Atari Falcon' they will
>check out the Atari Nets for more information. The first few message were
>informative. It was nice to hear about a new machine with some rather nice
>features! The more message I read, the more I realized that Atari Users are
>just trying to bash the Amiga. Is the Atari Falcon that bad that it requires
>constant Amiga bashing to survive! Please stop you repetitive jabbering. 
>
> This is an Amiga conference, while I am open to hearing about new machines
>I am not in the mood to read the same message worded 15,000 different ways.
>Please stop your Amiga bashing, if Amiga users want to read about the Atari
>Falcon then they will view the Atari nets. 
>
> If any Amiga users agree with what I have said and these users continue
>with their Amiga bashing, then I invite you to post some information about
>the 'AA' chipset, the new Amigas ect. in the Atari Usenet conferences.
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Subject: Re: MPC WORLD review Re: CDTV is dead.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:29:19 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <kdarling.713858327@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> Jeff Young writes:
>>Many people said July/August MPC WORLD magazine compared CDTV and CDI (not
>>Nintendo).  Someone please post copy of review?
> 
> June/July.  And it wasn't a review, but a quick "first-impressions" thing,
> as their strange main intent was to compare MPC systems to every known
> entertainment device, as if MPCs would replace them all.  Weird.  In any
> case, this is what they wrote specifically about CDTV vs CD-I:
> 
>     "This breed is so new that only two systems are currently available:
>   Commodore's CDTV and Philips' CD-I.  Of the two, Philips Imagination
>   Machine is clearly superior.  Although Commodore offers more than 100
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   CDTV titles, almost all of them are poorly designed or just plain dumb
>   and have annoying interfaces, with audio and animation apparently added
>   as an afterthought.  Of all the titles, only the witty puzzle game
>   Lemmings (included with the CDTV and also available on other platforms)
>   is any fun.  One very good game cannot justify laying out $999 plus
>   $40 to $60 per title, however.
>     "Philips' $1000 CD-I system is vastly more sophisticated.  Its clever
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   programming helps to minimize the built-in disadvantages of CD-ROM.
>   For instance, instead of displaying a blank screen while the system
>   accesses the disk, the scene freezes and dissolves into a new one.
>   The result is real-time interruption-free animation, wonderful audio,
>   and a terrific sense of what this next generation of systems can offer.
>   Under CD-I, old favorites like Battleship take on new life -- featuring
>   vintage video footage of ships firing ear-shattering rockets and crystal
>   clear audio indicating whether the shot was a hit or a miss."

	Well we know where they intend to receive most of their advertising
	dollars from:  Mega Buck Phillips Corp.

	
> 
> Obviously their prices were out of date, but that's pretty common in articles.
> Oh, and please stop putting several amiga groups in your distribution line...
> people who are interested will search out these topics.
> 
> kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:42:36 GMT

andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
[lots of stuff deleted...]
: Maybe. It was running Coherent, rather than Unix, and the Z8000 processor
: never quite took off in the marketplace.

	I'm not sure if I'm remembering the correct processor, but wasn't the
Z8000 awfully buggy?
	Anyone remember the chip?

: "The good news is that there is a program for the PC that converts between
:  300 different graphics file formats.  The bad news is that it's needed."

Cute.  :)

Greg

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From: plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: plummer@hercules.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan

Now that Jerry has enlightened me that the included backup software with 2.04
is really not all that sophisticated, I can only help but think one thing:

C:\> backup c:\*.* a: /s /f /n:9 /t:80

OOh, hold me down, that user interface drives me wild.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story )
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:57:14 GMT

In article <Bsuu9G.I89@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>In article <3484@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>>  The prison system doesn't reform criminals, parole doesn't work either.  All
>>it does is prevent overcrowding.
>Doesn't even do that.  We need more jails.  We need a judicial system
>that cares more about you and me than the bastards that commit crimes.

Sounds nice doesn't it?  Feel good doesn't it?  Too bad it works worse
than our present system.

>All we really need for a jail is a barbed wire fence and armed guards at the
>corners.  Anything else is too good for the scum.

I could give numerous examples of people who fit in a grey area that you
apparently dont beleive exists.  Another feel good solution?



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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:24:08 GMT
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug19.034540.4880@uwm.edu> by gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block):

> It should never be LEGAL to take someone's life.  Not even a

    Why not? There are a LOT of good reasons to do it (and some not so
    good, like the convenience abortion thing).

> I don't think I'm wrong.  If you could find some way into making me
> think that murder is right under certain circumstances, then perhaps

    Not all killing is "murder". And the needs of the many outweigh
    the needs of the one, as some wise humanist said once. :)

> Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: ** NEW AMIGAS **
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:03:06 GMT

>[I heard these rumours on the net - read at own peril]
>
>A600	  68000+ECS+KS3.0		$199 US
>A800	  68020+AA+KS3.0		$399 US
>A1000jr  68020+AA+KS3.0+HD	        $650 US
>A3400	  68030+AA+KS3.0+HD     	???? US
>
>Any ideas on the correctness of this information?
>Obviously from the leaked specs on AA, its not that great!  But at these
>prices who would complain!

	Wow, these are amazing prices.  I hope it turns out to be true. 
   Hopefully the A3400 will be around $1200.

						G.Greene
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.130808.15449@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>

(stuff deleted)
>with 5M RAM, 200M SCSI HD, 32bit bus, and monitor for $5998.  Who in the
>world are they trying to kid?  Flip over to the Gateway ad (the huge
>multi-page job with the cow-jockey) and check out their prices.  A 50MHz
>DX2 system (comparable to a 25MHz 040) with 8M RAM, 340M SCSI HD, SVGA
>card and monitor, 32bit bus (EISA), and tower case is $3695.  This is
>not a garage-built clone and it offers on-site service just like the
>Amiga.  If the A3000T ad had listed a price of $3998, I'd bet you'd be
>hearing nothing but praise for it.
>
Oh no argument there. I would be curious to know if it could be shown that
C= had a larger manufacturing cost per unit than Gateway does. IF they do,
how could they get it down? If they don't, we are (no surprise) buying IRving
Gould lots of martinis.
>
>I don't know if my statements will serve to explain the poor reception
>of the ad by everyone on the net, but I hope you'll understand why I
>am not so pleased by it.  There is little doubt that mindless whining
>is annoying and does no one any good, but sometimes it is difficult
>to be rational when one has to deal with such an irrational company.
>At least the statements are usually confined to c.s.a.advocacy instead
>of being posted to the serious groups.
>
All I can say is it seems as though everything is hinging in w.o.c. next
month. I really hope C= knows the anticipation here. I have never seen anything
like the anticipation to this show. It really sounds like their "make or
break" chance. If they get out new machines with at least sane prices and
advertize them, things will look mighty good. If not, it may well be the end
of CBM.  :-(

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:36:24 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
: I understand that one doesn't do this before the whole world. I believe it's
: called being polite, sensitive, etc...

Polite, fine.  But sensitive?  Me?  Next you'll be telling me to use
hand lotion and to keep myself prim and proper.  Then you'll be
telling me that I should be married, I suppose...

Sensitive?  NEVER!!!!!  Men of the world, UNITE!!!!

(big grin)

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: cbm, this is not stup
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:28:16 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

DP>Correction.  About three million people have purchased Amigas.  That
DP>doesn't mean that three million are still using their Amigas, and it
DP>most certainly does not mean that three million people are ready,
DP>willing, and financially able to shell out the money for a package
DP>like Excel.

 I am, I can understand Microsoft not releasing their entire line but they
could really compete in the Spreadsheat market on the Amiga. I think there
are more users out there then you think who are interested in purchasing
Microsoft Exel for $200-$400. I would jump as easily on Microsoft Word, I've
used it and don't really think its that great. Microsoft Excel, Yes I would!
 
 PS: I can understand companies like Microsoft and Wordperfect not wanting
     to put money into development. What about if a large Amiga company like
     say GVP was given the rights to port EXCEL over to the Amiga. Just a
     thought, other companies have done it.
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Words in mouth/foot in mouth?(was CDTV is dead).
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:20:43 GMT

In article <35740@zephyr.ens.tek.com> bryand@cascade.ens.tek.com (Bryan Duff) writes:
>Although I don't normally respond to much in this arena, I had to say something
>now.  Marc, noone said it was a major rewrite.  All that anyone said was that
>C= was doing a rewrite, might not even be major.  It's like your really trying
>to keep providing yourself with excuses for the future.  When C= releases the
>newest version of AmigaVision you want to be able to go back and say "This was
>supposed to be a major release and look how little it changed!"  The only
>feature of this next release that has been officially announced is a
>standalone player.  Nothing else has been said.
>I am trying to keep this out of the flame range, but I think a couple drops
>of gasoline seeped out.  I for one don't mind reading your posts, I find
>them rather amusing, but don't start changing the meaning of other
>peoples posts.

   After being on the market for over two years with no major updates, 
AmigaVision is in dire need of a major rewrite with significant added features.
As far as multimedia packages go, AV has become somewhat weak compared to
the latest versions of HyperCard and HC-like multimedia packages for Windows.
AmigaVision is the "Macintosh" of multimedia packages, with a very easy-to-use
interface but with very little depth, while HyperCard is the "Amiga" of
multimedia packages with lots of depth under less user-friendly interface.
With the progress that is being made on making HyperCard much more powerful
still while making it more easier to use, I think it would be better if
Commodore simply abandoned AmigaVision altogether than develop mediocre 
updates for it.  Without major improvements, money spent on updating 
AmigaVision will be a waste of money.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Crime & Death Penalty Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:16:18 GMT

In article <jbickers.0dhr@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Aug19.034540.4880@uwm.edu> by gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block):
>
>> It should never be LEGAL to take someone's life.  Not even a
>
>    Why not? There are a LOT of good reasons to do it (and some not so
>    good, like the convenience abortion thing).

Is it murder when if I kill a fish while fishing?  I look at early
stage abortions like this.

>> I don't think I'm wrong.  If you could find some way into making me
>> think that murder is right under certain circumstances, then perhaps
>
>    Not all killing is "murder". And the needs of the many outweigh
>    the needs of the one, as some wise humanist said once. :)

This is very true although seen under a different light if it applies to
YOU.  Generally, I think what the above quote means is that people prosper
more when everyone else also prospers.  Live and and prosper. :-)

>> Greg
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