HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:57:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.




In article <1992Aug28.040208.28559@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

   Here in Seattle, the parade lasted (I think) about two
   hours.  Lots of normal people, lots of average folks, organizations
   and clubs, etc.  A whole spectrum of things.   But when the local
   TV stations decided to air segments of the parade, guess which segments
   they chose?  Right; the circus.  It's good for ratings.

/(pc)
/The problem is not the "flamboyant" fags, it's the local TV station.
/Maybe you should spend some time trying to educate them (to show the
/diversity of lesbigay life).

	
So, your solution is to do outlandish things to attract any attention
at all?

I agree that pressure on the media to show GBL folks in positive situations
is needed; I think your point is valid.  But to do intentionally bizarre
things just to get the camera crews to cover you is counterproductive.
That's kind of like someone becoming a prostitute just to get anyone to have
sex with them.  Cheapens the standards.

Sometimes bad publicity is worse than no publicity at all.  Ask the
political campaigns which they would rather have--no TV coverage, or
negative converage.
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Too straight looking to be gay
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:43:00 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote:
>Does the Bureau of Weights and Measures have a recognized
>unit for homophobia?

That would be the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the NIST
in my address.  I don't work for them, just use their CRAY and newsreader.
I don't see a standard measurement at least until we change bosses.  I do
like this idea

>Could it be the helms? One helms might the amount of energy
>it takes to throw a standard Gideon bible at one nelly queen
>from some standard hissy-fitting distance.
> 
>We would then have kilohelmses and megahelmses.

except Helms being an Amerikan, we can't possibly
use metric measurements.  How about the smallest unit being a Sargon:

73.8 Sargons = 1 Wilson
16 Wilsons = 1 Bush
3.4 Bushes = 1 Helms
etc. (unfortunately)

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: musical finale
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 23:57:15 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
> Sing me out with a Hugo Wolf recital, including at least 
> the following:

gosh, and here i had you pegged with "I Will Survive." :-)

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:39:53 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: On Acting Straight

In article <l9kt5oINNn4e@news.bbn.com>, levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) says:
>
>In article <1992Aug24.211005.554@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff
>Baron) writes:
>|I must admit, though, that it is *quite* entertaining to
>|see you accuse Jess and Melinda of sharing a brain.  The
>|images are priceless.
>
>Yes.  One feels impelled to ask what sauce they prepared it with.
>
Pesto? :)

-Tim [who's basil is begging to be made into sause]

>        /J
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:55:33 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <vanyel.715396480@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>I don't like "nelly" behavior.  Period.  I've received nothing on here to
>suggest that I *should*--only flames for not thinking like *you*.

Hm, let me try an analogy here...

Suppose I don't like chocolate chip cookies.  Now, there is one of two
ways I can go about "expressing" this dislike of mine.  I can simply
refrain from sampling chocolate chip cookies as they are offered, or I
can stand up on the table and proclaim my dislike of chocolate chip
cookies.

Anyway, the point is, once you stand on the table, you offend everyone
else who *does* like chocolate chip cookies.  Furthermore, that you
felt it necessary to call attention to this by standing on the table
when you could have simply passed it by brings up the next question of
*why* is it that you dislike chocolate chip cookies?  Simple dislike
no longer seems to be the real motivation, because simple dislike
would have been satisfied with that "no thanks."

I can't quite carry this analogy further without it melting, so I'll
skip the rest of the parable and point out that by standing on the
table over "nellyness", so to speak, you've raised the question of how
much homophobia YOU have.  And I think (and evidently so do many
others) that this is a VERY important question for you to ask yourself
because, as a gay man, you're really going to be unhappy with yourself
if you're homophobic on top of it all.

--Cindy
--

*  I would rather that a bigot thought I was a lesbian than that a
*  lesbian thought I was a bigot.        -- Tovah Hollander
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: On Acting Straight
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:58:16 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Aug24.211005.554@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
|I must admit, though, that it is *quite* entertaining to 
|see you accuse Jess and Melinda of sharing a brain.  The
|images are priceless.

Yes.  One feels impelled to ask what sauce they prepared it with.

	/J
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: parents
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:17:33 GMT
Organization: -

In article <asuccop.714454612@milton>, asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
> 
> 	gretchen posts interesting stuff about coming out.
> 
> 	(gretchen, if those midwest relatives of yours are missouri
> 	synod lutherans, we're related)
> 

Gag, I grew up in the Missouri Synod Lutheran church too.  My parents
finally left the church because they wouldn't expect my mom as a
deacon.  She claimed her contributions to the church were greater or
equal to any man in the church.  Pretty radical stuff for the Missouri
Synod.

That was about 15 years ago.  Now my parents have seen the light and
are Southern Baptists.  And mom has learned whole new ways for women to
hate women that the Lutherans never dreamed of.  Of course women are
just one of many things on their list of hates.

Jim
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:20:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon):
>> That [the Republican political machine]
>> are waving a red flag called  'The Homosexual Agenda' does *not*
>> mean they give to craps about it - it means they *think* it will
>> work well as a distraction.

>are you here because you fools ran out of twinkies
>at the Log Cabin Club?  gads, bush must be feeding
>you idiots confiscated drugs.

Allow the idiot to spell a few things out:

What are you squaking about?

About an unemployment rate of 8 percent?  No.
About an out of control Federal deficit? No.
About a New World Order that isn't?  No.
About a crumbling economic infrastructure? No.
About the sorry state of the American educational system?  No.
About the Race Riots? No.
About unprecedented voter disgust?  No.

These are the issues which threaten the very underpinnings of the nation.
The issues which affect the lives of two-hundred million people, and
even the world.  These are the issues about which the Presidential
debate should be.

But what are you squaking about?

"Family Values"

What is Hollywood squaking about?  Family Values.  What is the Media
squaking about?  Family Values.  What are the Democrats squaking 
about?  Family Values.

The "Family Values" kick doesn't mean SHIT and it isn't going to win
or loose the election.  Not in twelve years have the Democrats had
an election handed to them with so few strings attatched, and they
have their heads stuffed so far up the m-f asses sniffing after
"Family Values" that they're letting an inferior candidate stuck in
an economic morass CONTINUE to drive the course of the election.  It
isn't so much their policy positions (well, their tax policy worries
me a *little*) - it is this absurd INCOMPETENCE that makes me worry
about the prospect of a Donkey-dick president.  If they can't handle
such a stupid, simple trick - what the hell good are they going to
be at running the country?

It's not *us* who Bush is feeding confiscated drugs.

Matthew Melmon
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:38:48 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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I(Matthew Melmon) said:

>confession #2:  my contempt for the Republican party is     >exceeded - and
exceeded handily - only by my contempt for the
>Democrats...).
>
>
      It is astounding that any queer might support Bush and
the Republicans when they haven't got a snowball's chance in
hell of ever seeing *any* semblance of rights from these bigots.
Furthermore, in my opinion the Democrats have fielded candidates
with vastly more integrity than the Republicans. Consider Mondale
with the first woman running-mate, or Dukakis who was unwilling
to get down in the mud with Bush but preferred to talk about issues.
This is to say nothing of the fact that the only truly stellar
presidents in recent memory have been Democrats. Jimmy Carter
continues to work for social justice here and abroad while
Reagan continues to hobnob with the ECONOMIC elite.
Now, with Clinton/Gore we have the possibility of a presidency
with some intelligence and one that is at least willing to
listen to LGB concerns. While they may be all that we had hoped,
they are certainly not worthy of contempt.

Gary
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:51:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Distribution: usa

In article <vanyel.715396480@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
[deletions]
>
>I don't like "nelly" behavior.  Period.  I've received nothing on here to
>suggest that I *should*--only flames for not thinking like *you*.  When

And we can be sure the nelly queens ain't so hot about you,
either.

Of course, we can also be sure you've received simply tons of the
most scrumptiously supportive e-mail from just all over.

And don't let the fact that categorical hatred is bigotry
bother one little bit.

Be bigoted, be proud.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:29:32 GMT

In article <b-knsl.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>We have *much* better things to do in our group sessions (KKruella, can I
>have that wax when you're finished?).

You didn't say the *MAGIC* *WORD* you *NAUGHTY* *BOY*!

KKruella
ry@usl.com
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:07:30 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Wow, I've gotten angry enough to actually swear. Matthew Melmon, you
>are a fucking idiot.
>
>In article <71917@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>People, it's nice to think we're fearsome, terror causing
>>monstrosities, but the 'straight' community does not spend it's every
>>waking hour worrying about 'them damn homosexuals.'  In fact, it
>>couldn't care less about our existence.  The anti-GLB stuff is a
>>smokescreen.  Every election, there's a *them* - and we're *them*
>>this year.
>
>You don't get it, do you? Are you completely ignorant of queer related
>politics?
>
>Why don't you come to Oregon this year? Come here before November,
>mind you. Come work with us to stop Measure 9. Then tell me that "the
>anti-GLB stuff is a smokescreen".

With respect, Nelson, Matthew was referring to Presidential
politics, not the situation in Oregon.  And, as far as
Presidential politics are concerned, I think he's correct
in saying that the parties' support for or opposition to
L/G civil rights, in itself, has little effect on the average
voter's propensity to vote for one candidate or the other.
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: boobs
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: two words here
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:32:26 GMT

melinda does not need to feel any anxiety in insulting someone by
calling them BOOB or BOOBY `dope, fool' because she is so fond of
BOOBS or BOOBIES `women's breasts'.  these are two different words, as
different as ASS `arse' and ASS `donkey'.  different meanings, and
even very different histories (though the authorities seem to be
unsure about the etymology of either one, except that the breast word
was until fairly recently spelled BUBBIES, while the dope word used to
be spelled POOBY, sometimes anyway; the breast word is probably
imitative of suck(l)ing sounds, while the dope word might or might not
have something to do with spanish BOBO, as in bobo the clown, itself
from latin BALBUS `stammering, stuttering').

ambiguity is a fact of life in languages.  most short and common words
belong to sets of words with the same pronunciation (and/or
spelling) but quite different meanings, often (though not
necessarily) with different histories (BANK as in the banks of the
ohio [river] and BANK as in - boo - bank of america happen to have the
same historical source, as in fact does the differently pronounced
BENCH, but they are certainly two difference words).  so long as there
is no special relationship between two words in the same set - as
there is, alas, between ASSHOLE `anus' and ASSHOLE `contemptible
person', the latter deriving its pejorative meaning from strong
negative attitudes towards the part of the body denoted by the former
- there is no reason why having very good feelings towards one of
these words, as melinda does towards breast-BOOB, should prevent you
from using one of the others, like dope-BOOB.  (the two clearly
*related* but distinct words ASSHOLE present more of a problem for
people like me, with strong positive feelings towards assholes,
the body-parts.)

nor is there any reason why having very bad feelings towards one
of these words, the way a lot of strayts do towards motss-GAY, should
prevent you from using one of the others, like happy-GAY.

arnold (in linguist demi-garb)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:33:46 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

>In article <1992Aug28.040233.28708@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>>homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
>>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>category
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
>>relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

Jesslers, if you weren't in front of the FUCKING computer all the
time, you MIGHT have some time for some FUCKING FUCKING.

Just thots....

now I'm gonna give your nose a bite and scram outta here...

-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re:
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 18:07:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65098@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep2.040614.7098@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer (The *Smart* Beatle) corrects me:

>In article <65098@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank Swilling)
> writes:
>>I have to admit, I'm chuckling over that one.  Very clever, Jess.
                                                              ^^^^
                                                          I mean Steve.

>>You are still a *wicked* *evil* boy for butchering Sarver's name,
>>but at least you stabbed with a sharp blade.

>Thanks, but my name is Steve.

>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Bummer, dude!  Sorry, Steve, but the names Jess, Bob, and Melinda fused
together in my frontal lobes and went super-nova about forty notices ago,
sending me into a coma that Modern Science hasn't yet found a way to waken
me from.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ball Snaps and Calla Lillies, and a game.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:45:05 GMT


In article <parfo40@fido.asd.sgi.com> pauli@sgi.com (Paul
Isaacs) writes:

>In article <la5qi1INN5g5@mizar.usc.edu>
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>>As for examples, nothing more specific than
>>Carole Lombard in a satin bias-cut evening gown comes to mind.  

>I lent my queer card out to a friend this week, so I seem to have forgotten
>what a 'bias-cut' evening gown is.  Would you mind explaining?

Permit me.  A bias-cut gown is what Alan Williams wouldn't
be caught dead in.  Nelly, dontcha know!

<> It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks
<> one already knows. -- Epictetus
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:06:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug28.080606.29934
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

When I first came to college (3 years ago), I was not.. very well
educated about women. (this is an awkward phrasing, and I apologize
for it.)

I'd picked up some really noxious habits. Women were "girls", or if I
was being friendly or offhand they were "chicks". I didn't intend any
insult in using these terms, but oh Lord how they were insulting.

But I was really fortunate in receiving a gentle education on the
proper mode of address. I can't remember who all corrected me, those
first few weeks, to refer to my female colleages as "women". 

I can remember my first Reed lover telling me once "Nelson, you just
*can't* call women 'chick'.". And I remember three women at Reed's
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Union who would, every single time I referred to
someone there as "girl", politely but firmly and immediately say
"women", interrupting me.

I was annoyed for awhile, of course, but I eventually retrained
myself. Then I thought about it for awhile, and started asking some of
the proper questions, and I began to understand a little of the
misogyny I had inherited growing up as a teenager in the 1980s.

In learning a little about one minor facet of disrespect for women
(referring to adults in the diminutive), I learned something about how
I perceived women in general. And in that, I learned something of how
women are mistreated in America.

Amazing what you can learn with a little help and an open mind.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   Indifference, the plague that moves throughout this land
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:25:05 GMT

balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) wrote: 
->Chris (clc@nevada) and I are trying to pull together a trip to
->the fair.  We can afford the plane tickets, but cannot affort
->the $115 a night hotel fees.  Do any SF.motssers know of a
->hotel with affordable (poor student) rooms that's in walking
->distance of the festivities?  Can we beg for floor space?

not even if you were dressed in "totally revealing leather."  maybe a
basement cage, though ...

are you working through a travel agent?  if so, then fire your agent:
there are several motels south of market in that area (although i
wouldn't hold your breath at getting a room in one of these for those
dates: this isn't an original idea).  there's a "HoJo Inn" (the
downscale version of howard johnson's), and something right across from
it on ninth (??) street, and similar accommodation around the corner (i
think these last two are best westerns) ... there's also a "hotel" of
unknown quality over the club "cocktails" on 9th and howard with
too-reasonable (i think you'll get what you pay for here, and you won't
be happy ... ) rates.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: adoption
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:20:21 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele):
> one of the points being that as an unmarried couple
> living apart who were allowed to adopt children, a president is set that
> should make it easier for gay people to adopt.

i knew i liked bill clinton... :-)

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Date: 31 Aug 1992 21:00:58 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <65035@cup.portal.com> 
Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:

[...]
> (On top of which, I *never* understood what the hell "Sargon" was 
> supposed to mean.)

Not up on your Biblical or Assyrian history?

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:02:33 GMT


In article <4940@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu
(Dean Blakeley MD) writes:

>At the University of Missouri-Columbia we had a voluntary
>weekend workshop in "sexual desensitization" where we sat in
>a lecture hall and watched video vignettes depicting topical
>areas of masturbation, heterosexual sex, inter-racial sex,
>homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>category, and finally sex among the physically handicapped.
 ^^^^^^^^

God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

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