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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:10:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.203322.14561@leland.Stanford.EDU> waterski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark T. Stacey) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.193213.28638@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>>
>>Come on.  Perhaps you can say something about Ewing not being perfect, but
>>Robinson and Hakeem (excluding last season) are A+'s.  Let's face it,
>>Michael Jordan could improve his shooting %, his 3 point %, his free throw
>>%, could block more shots, could steal a bit more and grab more rebounds
>>too.  But he has no category which isn't already very good.
>>
>>So maybe Hakeem and Robinson aren't perfect, but they excel at a lot of
>>things centers aren't supposed to do.  Top five in steals?  How many
>>rebounding and shot blocking titles do they have between each other?
>>Besides, centers, suck at free throws...
>
>Fine, Hakeem is probably the best center in the NBA, but I can't accept this
>nonsense about David Robinson being an A+.  David Robinson is not a great
>center, in fact, he can't even play the position offensively.  The man can
>not make a single move with his back to the basket (generally an important
>skill in an NBA center).
>
>Defensively, Robinson is a quality stopper, but he gets his points on fast
>breaks and alley-oops (with a few put-backs).... More like a power forward.
>I don't know why people are so concerned about free throws, that statistic
>will have no bearing on a player's place in history.

Getting 25 ppg, shooting 56% on fastbreaks and alley-oops doesn't sound bad
to me.  As for posting up, he's got a turnaround and he drives around slow
centers pretty darn well.

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From: fmr@tiger.mlb.semi.harris.com (francis m. rotella)
Subject: Re: Olympic b-ball on TNT?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:07:10 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <Brt5HJ.HAt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
>I just picked up a copy of TV guide, which has the entire comprehensive
>olympics schedule.  There are going to be 2 games (first one, and then
>the finals) on NBC.  Maybe more perhaps, but those are the "guaranteed"
>ones that are to be covered.
>

at the end of the angola/usa game, the nbc announcer said they will cover
the croatia/usa game on monday through halftime.  they will cover
the second half only if the game remains competitive.  the coverage
of the game begins shortly after 7:30 pm.

>
>Scott
>
>

						francis
From: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Sixers Camp News?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:13:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: crd.1992Jul21.141359.17656
Reply-To: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Anyone have any news about the Sixers rookie camp?
Is that 7'0 guy from U-Conn going to show up?
How are W'Spoon's negotiations shaping up?
I think if we could get the top lottery pick and
Chris Webber comes out, we could be a force again!

Just think about Spoon at SF and Webber at PF with
Jonny and Hersey at guards and Horny coming off the
bench scoring 15ppg+!

Chris Hanley
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 27 Jul 1992 13:14:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) had some interesting comments of the game;
I'd just like to add a few of my own:

> 1. They looked much better with Magic on the court in the middle of
> the fastbreak making pretty passes for layups,dunks

Magic had some SWEET no-look passes in the second half. However, if memory serves
me correctly, most of the damage done during the 46-1 run was when the DT
took out Magic and Bird and put in Pippen and Barkley. Pippen, Jordan and Barkley
ran wild, forcing turnovers or bad shots and then bolting down court for electrifying jams.

> 5. If the DT wants records then they should shoot more 3's on
> fastbreaks. (layups and dunks are prettier though) and employ a
> full-court press.

I don't think the DT really cares about records. Objective number 1 is to win the Gold.
Of course, I'm sure they wouldn't mind stomping over Croatia and Lithuania in the
process. And especially the Commonwealth of Independent States.

> 6. They will look better when another PG (Stockton) plays when Magic
> is substituted. (For pushing the ball up the court faster)

True. But as in point 1, the trio of Jordan, Pippen and Barkley did a fine job running the
break during the crushing run. Hard to imagine them looking much better.

> 7. The DT doesn't even need a half-court game.

So far (Tourney of Americas, Angola) this has been true. However if the DT runs into 
someone with better ball handling, passing and shot selection (Croatia and Toni Kukoc,
maybe?), they could find themselves with fewer break opportunites. The upcoming
game with Croatia should give a good measure of this.

Of course, even if the DT is forced to play a half court offense, just give the ball to
a fellow named Jordan. No problemo.

-Bennet
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bird plays foolish in game 1 of olympics
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:06:31 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii



I saw Larry Bird dive for a loose ball  in the Angola game when
the team was up by dozens. 
Well LArry, it is your back.

--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Bucks-Jazz
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.052635.3669@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
>paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>>  The trio of Stockton, Jeff Malone and Hump will be able to play with any
>>  other guards in the league. If David Benoit wasn't a fluke, then Utah's
>>  got a solid small forward to go with an intimidating group of big men in
>>  Karl Malone, Eaton, Brown, Corbin and Kryskowiak.
>
>I like Utah at power forward and point guard.  Corbin and Benoit both
>looked very good last year, so the 3 spot seems to be covered.  I had
>thought that Utah would go for Ainge, since a front court of Malone and
>Corbin would still rip down a lot of free throws, letting Ainge roam on
>the perimeter.   Not familiar enough with Humphries to know his game,
>but I'd start wondering about outside shooting about now ...  Outside is
>defined here as about 17' and out. 

   Not the greatest from 3-ville, but Hump will hit the majority of his
   shots from inside the arc.

>Malone is one dimensional, not able to play Drexler or Majerle very well
>on defense and a horrible backup point.  Or at least he was against the
>Blazers.

   Amen. That was silly having him play the point instead of Rudd. 

>>  Either Utah or Phoenix will displace Portland in the Finals next year.
>
>I'm archiving this stuff.  Neither Phoenix nor Utah has shown that they
>can integrate the pieces that they've picked up.  And while Portland has
>to absorb Lightning Rod and probably 3 rookies, their first six has been
>the same for three years now.
>
>With all of his problems, Duckworth has feasted on Utah and Phoenix for
>years and they've done nothing to improve at the center positions.  
>Phoenix, I would argue, is much worse, and Mark Eaton will continue to 
>petrify in the middle.  I think they're both a decent --- not great, maybe 
>not even good, but decent --- big man away.  The legs are the first to go, 
>and in a 7 game series, you're going to want height and bulk.  Eaton is
>not mobile enough, West is not big enough, and I thought that Mike Brown
>played as well as he could against the Blazers last year.

   I think Brown played WAY better in the playoffs two years ago, although
   he was okay this year. He always seems to play better in the playoffs.

   Portland, Porter and Drexler in particular, played out of their heads
   against Utah before folding big-time against Chicago. I just think they'll
   either fold a round earlier this year.

   --Salty
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rex vs. Tom (was Re: Hornets B-ball)
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:00:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul22.210006.14080
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <4399@dove.nist.gov>, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.230512.14037@husc3.harvard.edu>,
> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
> |>From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
> |>Subject: Rex vs. Tom (was Re: Hornets B-ball)
> |>Date: 22 Jul 92 03:05:12 GMT
> |>
> |>In article <1992Jul21.063343.15490@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
> (Edward Hui) writes:
> [Stuff deleted]
> 
> |>>        Rex Chapman?  I think he was traded to Washington for Tom Hammonds.
> |>> 
> |>> Edward Hui
> |>
> |>Yeah... if they hadn't done as well as they did after the trade, I would say
> |>it was a horrible trade. But, Chapman was injured, and though Hammonds wasn't
> |>as strong a player, he also didn't have Chapman's attitude that could have
> |>slowed them down. On the other hand, all Hammonds does is smile a lot, and
> |>in a rather goofy manner too (no offense to anyone), and as a result, 
> |>Hammonds looks like one of the men at the top of the list to be cut to make
> |>room for Mourning et al. With this mighty lineup of Johnson, Gill, Bogues,
> |>Mourning, and (I think either Gattison or Lynch), the Hornets shouldn't have
> |>a problem making the playoffs... Good luck to the team of the future!
> |>
> |>-- Venk Reddy --
> |>
> |>Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud if it too!
> |>Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
>                               
> Actually, I don't think Tommy played for the Hornets at all last year. He
> had a nagging groin injury and sat out to make sure that it fully healed.
> As for the trade, Chapman had a *much* higher salary than Hammonds. Tommy
> was playing quite well w/ the Bullets before he got traded, hitting
> the 15'er consistently. Although his size and lack of shot creation leave
> him as a role player at best. We're hoping, here in Washington, that 
> Chapman will at least make the team more exciting to watch. Any news from
> Hornets fans on Chapman's play? 
> 
> BTW, although Hammonds won't be a star, he's definitely an NBA player and
> I doubt the Hornets will cut him.
> 
> Ron

After recent findings on Hammonds' performance in the off-season, I have 
become inclined to agree that Hammonds may indeed stick around.

As far as Rex, if he heals from his injury from last year, he can prove to
be a huge player that can do wonders for Washington. However, he also has
an attitude that was uncompromising sometimes (often unseen to the
public), and at least with Charlotte, his absence brought the team closer
together. Thay play without reservation and as a true team. But, he could
very well shine, rather than fester in Washington. Good luck with Rex!
He's an excellent player...

Charlotte mostly needed the salary money, which they can now finish off 
with Alonzo. :)

-- Venk Reddy --

Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud of it!
Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
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From: jachano@srv.PacBell.COM (Jay Chanowitz)
Subject: Re: Bird plays foolish in game 1 of olympics
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:04:53 GMT

>
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>|     for    |           Computer Consoles Inc.           |     CAN'T     |
>|    RENT    |            dxj@sunsrvr3.cci.com	  	   |  Hold Larry   |
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I'm sure Scotty's crushed to here this.

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From: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News)
Subject: Watch Dream Team For Free
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:04:50 GMT

	Any of you folks who live in the northern states who are able to receive CTV (Canada's Olympic Flagship Station) will be able to see Dream Team games for free.  CTV, in its pre-Olympic hype, has promised complete coverage of the Dream Team's escapade through the Olympics.  
 
	Therefore, if you can get access to CTV, you can watch the Olympics for free.

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From: med50005@nusunix2.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT)
Subject: Stockton
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:19:38 GMT
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: DT Unity
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:25:54 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Dateline: Barcelona


The Dream Team took a page out of the US mens Volleyball team's book and
decided to show team unity for the much maligned Charles Barkely.  Yes, they
agreed to shave their heads to emulate Sir Charles.  However, after Michael
Jordan went through with it, the rest of the team decided not to bother and
that Barkely was a genuine pain in the ass.  Jordan went through with the shave
due to pressure from Nike, McDonalds and Hefty garbage bags( MJ will bow to any
corporate sponsor with $$$$$).  Apparently, Jordan was very upset and has now
declared himself to be a Angolan and is determined to bring a medal home to his
new country.

More details later as I make them up.
BBB  
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From: willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams)
Subject: Wah....wah..Watusi
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Jul27.150953.26866@brtph560.bnr.ca> <1tT-YV_@engin.umich.edu>
	<1992Jul28.142503.6587@ll.mit.edu>
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:21:06


The Olympics has reminded me of something I've wondered about,
but never when I could check it out: What country (countries?) 
do the Watusi tribe live in?  If the actors in the earliest
version of the film "King Solomon's Mines" (that is, the 30's
version starring Paul Robeson and Cyril Richard, not the 50's
version with Farley Granger? and Deorah Kerr) are at all repre-
sentative of Watusi (that is, Manute's height, but Wilt's body),
that country should be able to field a rather intriguing basket-
ball team.

Actually, I'm not sure these actors, who played tribesmen near
the mines site, were Watusi.  But they were, I'd guess, at least
7'6" and extremely strong and graceful.

I know, I know, what would they do for point guard?!
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: WORTHY/STARKS Trade?
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:26:17 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul24.023530.3215@scott.skidmore.edu> mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
>WFAN in new york, reported that the Knicks and the Lakers are working
>on a James Worthy/John Starks trade..  any thoughts?
>sounds like an interesting trade, one that could make the knicks the
>best team in the NBA next year.
>  


There has to be much more to this deal than just Worthy for Starks, Straight-up.Starks played well last season, but he's not worth a James Worthy. Find out moreand report what you know of a complete trade if it is materializing.

					       Rick Milleman
					       Milleman@Athena.cs.uga.edu

           "We fear change." - Garth Algar
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: 84 & 88 Olympic Teams
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


The call has gone out for the rosters of the 84 and 88 mens' teams.

1984: (Coach: Bobby Knight, Univ. of Indiana)

Player		Pos.	Age	College
--------------- ------- ------- ------------ 
Steve Alford    G	19	Indiana
Pat Ewing	C	21	Georgetown
Vern Fleming	F	23	Georgia
Michael Jordan  G	21	UNC
Joe Kleine	F	22	Arkansas
Jon Koncak	C	21	SMU
Chris Mullin	F	20	St John's
Sam Perkins	F	23	UNC
Alvin Robertson G	21	Arkansas
Wayman Tisdale	F	20	Oklahoma
Jeff Turner	F	22	Vanderbilt
Leon Wood	G	22	Fullerton State

So Stockton was basically beat out by Steve Alford and Leon Wood, and Barkley
by Jeff Turner and Vern Fleming!  Barkley has gone on record as saying that
his not making the team was actually a correct decision; at that point, he
wasn't yet good enough to play.  This wouldn't be a bad NBA team, with 3 
all-stars (MJ, Ewing & Mullin), two near all-stars (Robertson & Perkins),
and some half-decent bench support (Fleming, Kleine, & Tisdale). Not bad.

1988: (Coach: John Thompson)

Willie Anderson	G	22	Georgia
Stacey Augmon	F	20	UNLV
Bimbo Coles	G	20	Virginia Tech
Jeff Grayer	G	22	Iowa State
Hersey Hawkins	G	21	Bradley
Dan Majerle	G/F	23	Central Michigan
Danny Manning	F	22	Kansas
J.R. Reid	F	20	UNC
Mitch Richmond	G	23	Kansas State
David Robinson  C	23	Navy
Charles D Smith F	23	Pittsburgh
Charles E Smith	G	20	Georgetown

This isn't a bad team.  I think the problems they had were due to Thompson's
use of the team.  There could have been more team quickness, and better
outside shooting.  Remember that Robinson was coming off his long layoff,
which hurt him, not to mention Thompson's bullying.  But the 84 squad blows
this one off the map.

--Rob Clough
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Barkley in the open court
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:31:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <150tapINN6gl@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy) writes:
> I have been totally impressed with Barkley's open court abilities so far. Seems like
> in Philly all he did was post up, hold the ball for 10 seconds trying to force a 
> double or an illegal defense, and then take a shot or kick it out with a few seconds
> left on the shot clock. Don't know if it was Barkley or the coaching staff to blame
> for this stagnant offense.

That was all Barkley did last season, but that was not only the coaches
fault, but the fault of the other Sixers players.  In order to run the
break, you need to rebound off the defensive glass.  The Sixers struggled
in the rebounding department last season, hence not too much of an open
court game.  But in seasons past when Mahorn and G-man controlled the
glass, Sir Charles thrived in the open court.  Not only finishing the
break, but leading it as well.

I'm really surprised that people are not aware of this part of Barkley's
game.  I've seen numerous articles about Barkley not being able to help
Phoenix and others about Karl Malone being a more complete player.  The
people out west who don't get to see Charles play too often are really
going to be in for a surprise as to how good he really is.

> Looks like Barkley will be even more dangerous next year with the Suns and their
> running mentality. I have to say I like Phoenix's chances next year with KJ, Majerle and
> Barkley all steaming down court and Ainge spotting up for 3. Don't know if Tom Chambers 
> can recover from a sub-par season though at his age.

If the Suns get good play from the center position, they are my pick to
win the West.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Team Rosters for Rocky Mountain Review
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:06:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Doug Christie

In article <1992Jul21.232208.1143@cheshire.oxy.edu>, tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.180209.7671@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers) writes:
> 
> >
> >35  Doug Christie	F/G	6-6	Pepperdine '92
> 
>      Hmmm, I take back what I said about not wanting to see all the
> rosters and stats.  I'm glad you posted them.  I'm anxious to 
> see how Christie and Davis do; Christie of course was the Sonics' 
> 1st round draft choice.  Unless his knee betrays him, he should 
> have little trouble finding a roster spot against the likes of 
> Rich King, the departed Bart Kofoed, Marty Conlon, and even maybe 
> whathisname Brown.

The Sonics liked Christie well enough that they apparently attempted
to trade up to guarantee a shot at him. (There was some concern that
either Los Angeles club would draft the 6-6 swingman.) Their public
expectations for Doug are that he will play little for a season or
even two, but that he is an heir apparent to the roles filled by
Eddie Johnson and Rickey Pierce. They repeatedly cited his transition
game as one that meshes well in George Karl's offense. So, yes, 
there is definitely a place for Doug on the Seattle roster.

Paul
From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Ewing and Robinson
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:28:08 GMT



Why not productive?

I asked myself the same question a few days back.  The main reason I
could come up with (backed up by some of the great, er well other, net
basketball minds) was:

Too much fast breakin'.  It's not that Ewing and Robinson can't run or
finish breaks, but most of this stuff is just happening too fast.  This
team isn't a good half court team (well, they haven't showed it yet) because
they haven't had to be.  When you're getting long rebounds and stealing the
ball above the foul line, your centers are bound to be left behind.

Plus, both Robinson and Ewing have been prone to foul trouble.  This is
a combination of 1) more attention to physical play inside and 2) bad
refereeing.

Ewing has been caught numerous times pushing off for rebounds.  Robinson's
been called for some dubious charges.  No matter how it happens, both tend
to get in big foul trouble early and spend lots of time sitting.


This next game vs Germany and some of the medal round games (Lithuania,CIS)
may generate games that allow Robinson and Ewing to show off their skills.


Or maybe Chuck will put Robinson or Ewing at the 2 guard while Jordan
runs the point and let 'em shoot the 3.




Curtis
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org


Or is that Jordon?


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