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From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Subject: Re: Shields 
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.025355.6869@samba.oit.unc.edu> eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:
>In article <Bu14yI.Eyv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>>my standard handout on shielding.  But I still need the auditory one.  Maybe
>>
>Awright already -) -) !  
>
>Auditory shields are quite easy and fun to do, and very powerful for a lot 
>of people, often more powerful than visual ones, surprisingly.  Auditory
>shields are strongly related to rhythm and music.  
[much reasonable stuff deleted...]

Of course, there is the classic auditory shield -- the Great Shout of Pan.
This takes every bit of energy one can channel, and perfect focus.  An 
acquaintance of mine employed it very successfully, at one point, when 
a non-gentleman was threatening to rape her.  She very consciously 
gathered herself together and SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER (with more or less
that 'visualization' [audioization?]) approaching him directly with her
arms raised.  The would-be perp broke and ran.

This is, of course, not the most Apollonian or subtle of approaches...

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson)
Subject: NLP 1st exercise
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:00:46 GMT
Summary: 'results'

I attempted the NLP exercise posted a few times, but wasn't very
successful.  Each time was in a one-on-one conversation, and I found
that I could either listen to what the person was saying or pay
attention to the more subtle things it did, but never both with any
success.  I will try it again in a conversation with more than two
people, but I will have to figure out how to be subtle - it's easier
to stare at someone when there is nobody else in the conversation.
karl
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: (Was: Shielding)  Now: Letting shields down.
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <IeeqfZC00iUy01ZqJ3@andrew.cmu.edu>, knightster+@CMU.EDU (Shawn Clayton Knight) writes...
>>So, does anyone else out there use tensor calculus as a magical tool?
> 
>Actually, yes.  I visualize the shape of the continuum and how my Will
>influences the various fields in that continuum ... being a physics
>major this requires less of a leap of faith than many ... I visualize
>magic as the "fifth [sixth, seventh] basic force.
> 
>-shawn

(This is starting to sound like an old star trek rerun.)

I've read about some new ways of putting up shields.  How about 
ways to let shields down.  

I find it much harder to be vulnerable.

I try to be aware of the shields I leave up by default.  Sometimes 
I try to let these down, to feel things unprotected.  This works 
fine if I'm enjoying nature or brushing my cat.  Not so easy when 
other people are involved.  (Actually, my cat allergy is becoming 
much worse lately, but I think its a physical problem not a 
psychic one. :)

Even so there are times when letting down all shields is what I 
want to do, even just to make sure I can still do it and none get 
stuck half-way down.  Much harder to be vulnerable, yes?  

Hurt me! :)

- Peggy -
From: v122pewm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (C.S. Flunky)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Looking for info: Dudleytown, Conn.
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




	Does anyone know anything about Dudleytown Conn.?  It is a ghost town
and apparently a place of very strong evil.  If anyone has any info on the town
or the Dudley family that founded it about 200 years ago, it would make me 
smile.  :)


					Thanks,
					  Brain LaBrake
					  v122pewm@ubvms
From: v085r6qm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Tactile Kinetic
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <memo.616662@cix.compulink.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes...
>ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
> 
>[....good stuff..]
> 
>>One other point--you are assuming that the ability to visualise is
>>somehow tied to magic. While visualisation is a very common tool in
>>the sorts of magic which people write books about, it is not used in
>>all types of magic. Also, it is not only used in magic. My flatmate
>>has a Masters in mathematical logic. He is much better at
>we really want to do is to develop the SIMPLEST possible direct route
>to the those experiences. Otherwise you get hung up in the
>methodology and not in getting the results. Arguments over Enochian
Has anyone seen Benny Hinn, the insane "Healing Ministries"
guy that travels about mostly the S.W. United States?
I love watching him... he's the kind of fast-food fundamen-
talist preacher that throws GOD at people during highly charged 
religious services. A lot of people are physically benefited
by his religio/magical practice. I wonder how much time he
spends in his study mapping different magical permutations...
probably none.
    I think the charismatic faiths have touched upon something that
anyone can reach. Religious doctrines aside, I like the idea
of immediate power access. 
>Thats the theoretical response. The practical response is that if I
>can find the hell a better way I'll feel more justified in opening my
>big mouth. The problem I have is that I dislike the fartology of
>spirits and demons, of rituals and pentagrams, but apart from
>emotional stress, I haven't found a reliable way to tune my
>perceptions out of the 'normal' band.
> 
>I don't have the patience for meditation either..:-(
ME TOO! I suppose the longer we use our maps, the sooner
we can find out the necessary landmarks, and discard all
the tools which one time helped but now hinder. Eventually,
I'm confident that all that truly choose will walk the
paths as easily as the geatest Masters.

(this isn't quite part of this thread but:)
     The Moonchild quote in another post in this area was
incredibly impressive. I hope those who haven't come across
it yet take the time to find it. I should have paid better
attention to it's placement. ANYHOW, that's Crowley's
MOONCHILD... it is relevent I think to this post.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Necromancy
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:15:47 GMT

In article <7005@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>
>      I ask because months ago in alt.horror (in discussin Lovecraftian Horror
>   origins), a guy sited a "transcription" of the Necronimicon, and provided
>   as proof a library listing of it's existance.  Since the Necro is supposed
>   to be fictional, my (and others) interests was aroused.

 Several modern Necronomicons have been written and a number of fake
entries have been added to libraries by librarians and aides with a sense
of humor. None of this has anything to do with John Dee though.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: (Was: Shielding)  Now: Letting shields down.
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <-8rnxm#.mesm@netcom.com>, mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes...
>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>: 
>: I find it much harder to be vulnerable.
>: 
>: 
>It sounds to me like fear is blocking you. I would suggest
>trying to imagine vulnerable situations. Role play them in
>your mind. You will probably get hurt some in real life
>but if you let the fear control your responses, you will
>never get past it.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis, but I think that if fear was 
blocking me, I wouldn't admit to this.  After all, I'm making 
myself vulnerable to admit I'm vulnerable.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Dreams of Lucid type
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 02:33:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

v085r6qm@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle) writes:
: 
:       Does anyone work with lucid dreaming in their
: practice? I've had a slight increase of the number of my

I've been trying for a while, one or two sucesses lots of 
near misses

:      Of course this brings us to the controversial problem
: of intentionally induced lucid dreaming techniques. Has
: anyone had success? 

As for more info check out "Lucid Dreaming" by Stephen LaBerge.
It has a slightly different concept of lucid dreaming ie you
are lucid dreaming if you can be "Awake and Aware in Your Dreams"

: going to start. The object, of course, being greater 
: sensory recall. I know that coming back from a heightened
: state often requires something of a formal recognition of
: your return, (a major potential pitfall with hallucinogens,)
: but somehow waking up and striking a gavel doesn't seem
: like a very good option to me. AGAIN, anyone have a working
: technique?

I had one experience where I woke up 4 times, sort of like 
an onion. No valid way to separate reality from dreams until
I compared what I knew about reality to what I was experiencing.

I found the best results by sleeping all night, waking up about
1/2 - 1 hour early and focusing on lucid dreaming, then returning 
to sleep.
--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: v085r6qm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Tetragrammaton/DNA
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I REMEMBERED WHAT I HAD FORGOTTEN.
     I'm aware of the same character used twice in the
Tetragrammaton. Do the two "H's" in YHVH tear to shreds
my chance at a little insight concerning this problem?
Oh, shucks. I hope not. If anyone could bring up info
about possible nucleotide similarity, or the "H" char-
acter dissimilarity, my ego could be greatly stroked.
If not, I'll quietly absorb and be contented for it.
This is one that I can easliy drop for the meantime.

                          Loves and kisses because it's
                          6:00 AM and sleepless,

                                     Erich, Friend of 
                                            Erin.
  I NEED DISCIPLINE!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Subject: Re: Tetragrammaton/DNA
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:14:17 GMT

In article <BuCwrv.31A@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085r6qm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle) writes:
>I REMEMBERED WHAT I HAD FORGOTTEN.
>                                     Erich, Friend of 
>  I NEED DISCIPLINE!!!!!!

Sorry, we don't do that here.  Followups to alt.sex.bondage.  -) 
		-ed@legba.oit.unc.edu
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: A little info please...
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <memo.619690@cix.compulink.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes...
>z_hiltoncc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes..
> 
>>In a bit of an aside, I'd like to summon Yog-Sothoth to sire my
>>grandchild. Could someone please E-mail me some information on
>>summoning? How should I go about it and what precautions should I
>>take?
> 
>        (i) Just ask. Old Soggy as he is popularly known is easy to
>        contact and always ready for a quick shag. Tell your daughter
>        to go out in the street and invite the first man she sees to
>        come to bed with her. It will definitely be Old Soggy
> 
>        (ii) Precautions. Tell Old Soggy to wear a condom.
> 
> 
> 
>>Serious replies only.
> 
>Hmm

One little problem, Leo.  How will his daughter get impregnated 
if Old Soggy is wearing a condom?

- Peggy -
From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Psychic attack / shielding / empathy
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:24:17 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

In article <BuG9xq.Hy5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
|> Sure, but its not something to be met with ridicule and 
|> condescending comments.  Its a mythic quest of great dimensions.  
|> We all went through it, didn't we? 

Past tense, Peggy?

|> >Does this make you part of the inner circle?
|> 
|> *This* does not, but the fact that I post frequently does.
|> 
|> - Peggy -

An inner circle of one, perhaps?

  :-)
	Christopher
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Josh/shields (was spirit etc)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:09:45 +0000

kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson) writes..

>In article <JOSHUA.92Sep9102342@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>
>joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

>>get you' and 'trying to get in' eh?  why don't you try using a worldview in
>>which these kind of things don't exist? sure, that won't have the advantage

>This is, I believe, the third time that you have suggested this
>tactic.  It is simple enough to show no benefit from repetition.

>I find that your posts have decreased in quality since you recieved
>Jesus as the one true savior.

>>josh

>karl

        1/. What a simply amazing way of devaluing josh's
        contributions.:-)

        2/. If true, josh is guilty of implied duplicity.

        3/. Of course, Xtainity in general _is_ one of the most
        powerful worldviews ever invented: Just put big G at the
        middle, have absolute faith in it all, know that YOU are
        absoulutely right and all those who oppose you are absolutely
        wrong - and even if they do get you, heaven is GUARANTEED.

So to those looking for good shields against psychic attck - go see a
priest. It will probably halt your magickal progress forever: But you
wanted to be safe didn't you?


:-)
From: murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Brainwashing
Summary: Request for info/old articles
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:09:47 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.



  I recently was given a copy of an article that I think appeared here,
about brainwashing; I've been looking for further info on the subject and
someone told me that there had been some discussion in alt.magick on the
subject. I am particularly keen to get more information on Neuro-linguistics.

If anyone has any info on this, I'd be most grateful if they'd be able to send
 me it; old articles or indeed anything on the subject. I have some friends
who are involved with some dubious groups and this info would be helpful in
 stopping them being brainwashed.

If anyone has such info, could they please e-mail it to me rather than post,
as often I don't get to read articles before they expire.

One last question; is there an FAQ to this group, and if so could someone
please tell me where to get it? 

Thanks very much in advance for any info at all.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: morality of love as force
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:32:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <199209130303.AA01517@intercon.com> amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:

>If there's an "in crowd," I'd put Peggy into it, for example, and you're well 
>on your way yourself...


Thanks for the (I think :-) ) compliment, but I have to say I still feel like
a "WAY" outsider.  I have my doubts that "frequency of posting" is sufficient
to become an "insider."

I'd just like the long-time participants here to notice when they're engaging
in unnecessary roughness.  If there's no one to invite people into the conver-
sation, I think we could all be just a little kinder, a little gentler toward
early, tentative contributions.
-- 
---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                      and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Christine Daae)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Need to find other Wiccans in Northridge area
Date: 6 Sep 1992 13:05:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

	Hi, I'm not actually at USC, but that's because I just transfered
to Cal State Northridge.  I was wondering if anyone knew of any other
Wiccans in the area.  I am starting to learn Wiccan traditions and would
like to be able to talk with someone other than just my teacher.  I find that
it's kind of difficult to talk to anyone else about my beleifs for obvious
reasons.  Thanks in advance.

	Kethry
	eburke@huey.csun.edu
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: about attacks and so forth as they pertain to empathy
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:35:18 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <199209070354.AA10105@intercon.com> amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
>mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine) writes:
>> perhaps I was oversenstive....
>> but reguardless, I don't see the point my age makes.
>> I would prefer to take this to email if you want to explain it to me...
>
>Well, it's like this.  There's a phenomenon that some people call "adolescent 
>witch syndrome" or "psychomelodrama," wherein a fairly youg person (generally 
> 
>Peace,
>
>Amanda Walker

Fairly nicely said, Amanda.  I was struggling with a way to basically say
the same thing without sounding like even more of jerk than I usually am. -)?


					-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: questions
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:01:57 GMT
Distribution: alt.magick
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep14.211856.100@kenyon.edu > pickett@vax001.kenyon.edu writes:
 >I have some questions which I would like to see answered.  I know nothing about
 >magik so I'm sorry if I'm asking questions that I should or if I'm going about
 >this the wrong way.  But there is never anything wrong with asking I think. 
 >Your question will be answerewd or it will not.  You are no worse off for
 >asking I think. Well here goes:
 >
 >	1. Are any of you out there christians or some other faith and
 >practice magik?  How do you fit that in with your faith.  I know if your
 >christian the Bible said not to practice this art.

	It is not clear whether the Old Testament (i.e Judaic)
prohibition refers to all magical practices or to particular ones.
I believe only specific arts were forbidden, and it is unclear which
ones are referred to.

	Many Christians od the past have also practised ritual magic.
Shamanism seems to have been totally of the menu however.

	
 >
 >	2.How did you get started, where do you start, how do you begin?
 >In simpler terms if you have never practiced this art before how do you start.
 >Where's the starting point???

	Get the FAQ and book list from this group and read.
Then try something. If things look like they are working, then
start monitoring effectiveness.

	
 >
 >I have always been interested in the art of magik but I have never followed it
 >up and I don't know if I would because of my religion.  But whether I follow it
 >up or not the interest will always be there and I will stay tuned to this
 >channel and once and awhile ask some dumb questions. Hope this doesn't bother
 >anyone.  

	You can always be a theoretician. Your religion need not stop you
practising, since magick can be theurgic as well as thaumaturgic.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Subject: Up and Down and Pentagrams 
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:29:16 GMT

In article <65566@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
>9209.09 e.v.
>
>This is the last I have to say on the subject.  Perhaps I'm the only
>one sensitive to it.  So be it.  Words are spells.  Use them carefully
>lest you be trapped by them. ;>
>
One suspects that Miss Manners might also agree with Tagi's basic concept that
being careful in how one uses one's words is important, and that using 3 words
which aren't really equivalent can imply a sloppiness of education and 
technique that may result in others forming opinions about you.  I believe she
would also point out that correcting someone's grammar has its own faults as
well.  

Since we are discussing the validity of meaning and which word to choose, then
I'll side with Tagi here.  How you think both determines and is determined 
by what words you choose to use, what symbols you think in.  If you constantly
say "inverted" when you mean either point-up or point-down, then you are going
to have a predisposition in yourself and create a predisposition in others to
believe that you think that one way is "correct" and one is "wrong".  Or good
and bad or what-have-you.  We also are occasionally sloppy in how we choose
our words, and it can be quite fun.  We also need to be tolerant of such 
sloppiness when we think that we Do know what the other person means.  Or we
can choose to start a conversation thread off of a potential misunderstanding...

Nonetheless, though in many contexts it may not matter, when you are dealing
with a bunch of folk in magical circles, they are going to make certain 
assumptions about you if you say "inverted".  For that matter they are going
to make other assumptions about you if you say "point-foo", or if you say 
you don't think it matters a bloody damn which way the blooming thing is 
pointed (I tend not to -)).  

So now that Tagi has stated his final word on the matter, I'll just leap in
and grab that banner and wave a time or two myself.   Cheers.

				-Bunny Averett
				-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: laura@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Tygress)
Subject: Dreams
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:53:57 GMT

Do most people think of Dreams as Prophetic?  Usually only
recurrent ones?

Is it possible to have a Teacher reach you thru 
Dreams?

Curiously, -- Laura