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In soc.motss, nfaberne@uglab00.math.ncsu.edu (Neil F. Abernethy) writes:

>    If your company has a group, how long has it been in existence?  
HP has a group that has been in existance since the early 1980s.

>    What is its purpose, and what kinds of things does it do?  
I believe that the purpose is both socializing and advocating change
within the company.  There is a newsletter & an informal network.  A
survey was produced on gay & lesbian folks @ HP -- I believe the results
helped shape our non-discrimination policy.  Picnics, lunches, etc...
(especially in California but also in Colorado) are also a GLEN function.
There was a GLEN booth at the SJ Pridefest.

>   How much support and involvement is there from the company?  
>   Does the group use company facilities and/or does it get any funding? 
GLEN cannot use HP in its name.  We get no funds from HP.  We have used
site facilities for meetings, and e-mail, internal mail, and telephones
are used, but this is really no different from other personal use of HP
facilities by HP employees.

>   How is the group publicized to employees?  
Only by word of mouth as far as I know.  Some folks have tried to publish
messages in site newsletters and have been stymied by "I don't know if we
can do that" people.  Other folks have been discouraged from widespread
publicity by other gay & lesbian HP employees (fear of backlash).

>  How many employees participate in the group?  
I don't know.  I would guess on the order of hundreds (more than 100,
less than 500).

>  If your company does not offer domestic partner or similar benefits, 
>  how is this reflected in the group?  (Is it a tabboo subject for the 
>  group, or is the group actively involved in getting these benefits?)  
Various individuals, myself included, have been pestering corporate for
dp benefits, but to no avail at this point in time.  I don't know what
kind of negotiations are going on around this issue.

I'm a member of GLEN, but not one of the coordinators.  This is my
understanding based on several years association, but there are definitely
others that know a lot more than I do and have more accurate info.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:00:23 GMT
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO

jd> Jeff Dauber

jd> Face it, who runs the government, white heterosexual males.

  A *small* subset thereof.

jd> Who runs big business, white heterosexual males.

  Again, a *small* subset thereof.

jd> Who runs most of the things in this country, white heterosexual males.

  And once again, a *small* subset thereof.

  Actually, it's a small number of individuals who have influence far beyond
  there mere numbers who decide a great deal of what happens in this country.
  They happen to be WHetM. In other countries, there are similar elites, but
  they aren't necessarily whites or males. And, in times past, as homosexuals
  are wont to point out, famous men who ruled big chunks of the Old World
  happened to be homosexual. 

  As far as I can tell, being a member of the powerful elites doesn't have
  much to do with one's gender, race, or sexual orientation. It has a lot to
  do with some people believing the idea that they themselves are fit to
  rule, and no-one else is.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wb@rigel.uucp (Bill Beblo)
Subject: Re: TV Guide
Reply-To: wb@rigel.UUCP (Bill Beblo)
Organization: Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:30:18 GMT

A few weeks ago I saw a short article (It wasn't an advertisement) in
TV Guide describing the Freedom Rings which I understand, though designed
by a New Yorker, were first introduced at last year's San Francisco gay pride
festivities.  I can't remember what section it was in, but I seem to recall
that it attempted to explain the purpose of the rings which may have been worn
by someone on some TV show.  They mentioned that the rings were a symbol
of gay pride.  I was certainly surprised to see this article in TV Guide!

Bill Beblo
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 14:39:41 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ACTIVISM: (REMINDER) Give Levi-Strauss A Call!

i did.  the operator was very nice, and said he would
"pass my kind words along."  i hope that a lot of peopel
are calling them, as you KNOW the fundies are...  B(

                                   -ailsa

p.s. i even went into a levi's store after i heard about
this.  still too expensive for me, though...
It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *BIG* *RED* *JOBS*
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:07:51 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <skillette@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>Required skills:
>...
>>* U.S. Citizenship
>
>U.S. Citizenship is a skill?  Does that mean if I practice hard enough
>I can become a Citizen of the World's Greatest Democracy too?



Put on your Big Red Pumps, close your eyes, click your heels three
times and say, "There's no place like Mountainview".

ER

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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How to get equity in insurance coverage?
Keywords: insurance, motss, domestic partners
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:10:05 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Jul27.195034.9994@access.digex.com> thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad) writes:
>My company is fairly gay-positive, and includes sexual orientation in
>its non-discrimination clause. 
>[at a company meeting about insurance policies...]
>                                 There was some heated discussion
>(including an implication by one woman that being married was
>the natural state, since those of who were not married made the
>"choice" to remain single, and therefore were not entitled to the
>same benefits).

I don't know why I found this amusing.   This woman was trying to
depict an insurance program (essentially a bunch of man-made bureucratic
crap that is in no way "natural") as a special "natural" right of
married people.

> [...]

It was a nice try and give your company a little credit.  I don't
know how large your company is but I gather that it isn't a major
corporation.  We only have about 45 employees and it is a constant
struggle to find the right insurance plan.  As we've grown we've
changed insurance companies and we seem to keep a constant eye out
for better policies.

There just isn't a whole lot for a small company to choose from.  Keep
trying at each renewal cycle.  In the mean time be glad you work for
reasonably cool people (although it sounds like you work *with* at
least one pathetic loser).


-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:29:52 GMT

In article <RJBODKIN.92Jul30115721@maimonides.lcs.mit.edu> rjbodkin@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Ronald Bodkin) writes:

>       Indeed, if disempowered groups decide that attacking SWM's is
>jim-dandy, don't you forsee a backlash?  

Actually, I do.  In fact, I find it amusing to hear people say: "You SWM's 
have ALL the money, ALL the power, and ALL of the justice,"  and then imply, 
or outright state, "and we are going to take it/kill you."

If they have all the money, all the power, and all of the justace, who can 
mess with them?
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: G/L Youth Suicide
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:08:58 GMT

Oh well, I guess if I'm going to de-muffin, I might as well post about
something I feel strongly about.


nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.184238.13513@tandon.com> tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>>WRONG!  In my humble opinion, straights and gays do not mix in any
>>counseling... I have yet to meet anyone who identifys themselves as
>>straight who does not have some problems with homosexuality.

>my own experience contradicts this. I owe a lot of my early
>recognition of my own gayness to my high school counselor, a man who
>(I'm almost positive) is straight.

>[...]

I also owe a great deal of my self recognition to a straight man.  
Although I didn't seek counseling until after my divorce, I could 
not have asked for a more understanding therapist.  

>In general I agree - queer counselors are probably better equipped to
>handle queer related emotional issues in most cases.

True, but looking back to my high school days, I believe that if a 
counselor was known to be gay, I would have been afraid to see him;
Guilt by association, ya'know.  If I had talked to someone like Jack 
(my therapist) in high school (or even collage, for that matter) I 
probably could have avoided a lot of unhappiness and a disastrous 
marriage.

But I suppose I was just extremely lucky; I looked in the yellow pages 
for the first therapist with a PhD so my insurance would help pay 
(I discovered much later that a lot of my friends had seen Jack as well).
Also, if Jack had not had a gay brother, he might not have had such 
insight to the problems we face.

>>It has been expressed before, and it is also my opinion, that open
>>lesbian counselors should be used to cousel gay male youth and open
>>gay male counselors used for lesbian youth...

>I can see the practical need for this, but I think as an idealistic
>solution it's ludicrous. We don't expect straight men to only counsel
>straight male youths and straight women to only counsel straight
>female youths - why should we (in theory) enforce a similar rule on
>queers?

>As a guess, I would wager a man would have been more helpful to me in
>dealing with my sexuality than a woman.

I had enough problems relating to women on a personal level, I doubt if
I would have ever opened up.  At least if a gay man had mentioned some 
of his feelings at my age, I would have realized that I was not abnormal.

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Jeff Norris                     Avoiding danger is no safer in the
norris@infonode.ingr.com        long run than outright exposure.
  __                            The fearful are caught as often
  \/                            as the bold.      --Helen Keller
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Disco Diva cum Proto-cub... :-)
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.035129.25321@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>Anyway, I *finally* *found* a code that works for me! I mean, my bear
>>code's pretty barren: 'B0 f t- c s(v) q(v)'. Yawn. But my Smurf code!
>>'S7/9 g+(+) l(+) y++ z+ n- o(+) a++? j+'! Holy hooters, that's *impress-
>>ive*! It'll confuse 'n' mystify *lots* of people! I'll be viewed as a
>>mystery! Yay!

OK, I know what a Bear Code is.  Mine is B0 f-cdv g+(+) k+(+) s+ e+v.

But what in the world is "Smurf Code"????  No one mention anything about
it in soc.bi.

Ken  elee74l@jetson.uh.edu

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Gay Beer
Keywords: gay, marketing, beer
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:19:22 GMT

In <1992Jul29.082343.17509@resonex.com> michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:

>In article <manz.712354796@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>>  Thanks to Brick Brewing, gays and lesbians can now drink beer 
>>with pride.
>>
>>  The Waterloo brewery is producing a new beer for the gay 
>>community.  It's called Pride and is sold in bottles and on draft 
>>in about 25 gay and lesbian bars across southern Ontario.

>This reminds me of a "commercial" on Saturday Night Live, which was a
>spoof of all the women-in-bikini beer ads.  Two guys are walking
>through a house one of them just bought.  They get to the pool in the
>backyard, which is run down, cracked, overgrown with weeds, and dry.
>The new owner turns on the water, which results in sparkle special
>effects, and the pool suddenly fills up and looks wonderful.

>Then this Adonis lookalike comes out of the water and says something
>like "You boys looking for something wet?"  Cut to various shots of
>half a dozen gorgeous men wearing tight bikini briefs, having fun with
>our two lucky boys, and beer being passed around.  Eventual closeup on
>the beer, which says something like "Schmidt's Gay", and an announcer
>saying "If you're gay, and you drink beer, then you'll love Schmidt's
>Gay."

>And now a real "gay" beer.  Life imitating art...

I was reminded of that myself.  And speaking of art... anyone out there
in the TO area who could get ther hands on one of these and upload
a scan of the label would be greatly appreciated. 
-- 
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 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:30:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.143435.27793@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.160750.19179@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
>>homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
>>hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)
>
>It fucking matters?

Ro!  I'm surprised at you!  Of course it fucking matters!  I mean how
are we to properly classify and tag it fuckers?  it, lacking a gender, 
opens all sorts of interesting opportunities to argue.  We can start
by saying that it fuckers are not part of our community unless they
can prove that they too are genderless and therefore in a same-gendered
relationship.  We can then discuss whether or not its are capable of
free choice and whether we ought to classify these people as it molesters.

SO many opportunities for argument, I mean discussion.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: alt.wanted.moslem.gay
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:58:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Many of you may already know this, but a new newsgroup has been created
called 'alt.wanted.moslem.gay'.  Already the more 'fundamentalist' of Moslems
are asking for this group to be pulled or canceled.  It's a very blatant
form of net.censorship which should be stopped.

Jon
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:44:23 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) wrote: 
->I think that calculus is one of the most beautiful creations of the human 
->mind ...

he's obviously not having enough sex.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay martial artists (was Re: aikido!)
Date: 30 Jul 1992 13:25:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul30.191855.16439@gordian.com> 
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>   Now Arne, darling, you are forgetting to chant your mantra:
> "I'll just type 'k'". 

I've tried, believe me I have.  But then I see nonsense about
Cuba which tells me that gay liberation really isn't about gay
liberation -- how silly of me to have thought that! -- no, gay
liberation is about the socialist revolution or something.  (I
still think gay liberation is about knowing who Margaret 
Rutherford was.)  And then there's this stupid invitation for
homophobes from the martial arts group to post their swill here.
It makes me want to SCREAM!

AAAAAARGH!!!!!

>                        Seriously hon, have you considered getting
> fucked? You've been awfully crabby lately.

You know, you just might have, ahem, put your finger on it.
Anyone care to volunteer his services?

Arne

Xref: sparky soc.motss:33203 talk.politics.misc:36678
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:12:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.221228.7381
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <11420@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>Do you know ANYONE who is willing to defend the position that "faggots
>are subhuman and therefore they are okay to kill"?  I don't anyone
>who takes that view.

You've never been queer bashed, have you Clayton? I live in fear of
this sort of thing every day.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     What in this room is alive and what doesn't have life?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: sex with gay and bi men (part 2)
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:35:10 GMT

Wow..... sweat sweat....

Is it hot in here or what!

Need to go take a cold bath..    See Ya.

(-8   (-8    (-8     (-8
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

In article <92210.131642IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>my opinion of the "plight" of straight people who are not
>wanted at NAGAAA functions?  sucks to be them, doesn't it...
>little enough gayspace in the world as it is...  i'll be
>perfectly happy for all-gay groups to stop "discriminating"
>against hets when suitable laws are passed on a national level
>banning discrimination based on sexual orientation, preference,
>whathaveyou.  until then, drive on...

Ailsa, I (obviously ;-) have to disagree with you on this
one.  I believe with every fibre of my being that discrimination
based upon irrelevant personal characteristics is an abomination 
and should be confronted and challenged.  I don't buy into the 
entire "do as I say, not as I do" value system.  I find it to 
be extremely hypocritical.

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   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: ERIC HUNT POSTS TO SOC.MOTSS! :)
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 03:44:35 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) writes:

> --
> Eric Hunt                     | bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net (preferred)
> User, The Matrix BBS          | eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com
> Birmingham, AL (205)323-2016  |         ^----nothing longer than 100 lines
> Student, Birmingham-Southern  |  __
>          College              |  \/

Fucking A!  It's Eric Hunt posting to soc.motss!! :)

Hi Eric.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us
[] Long Beach, California
[] DESQview/X:  turns your Sun into a PC peripheral.
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:23:33 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, Peel House, Ladywell, Livingston EH54 6AG, UK


In article <1992Jul22.213339.22241@amhux2.amherst.edu>,
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> In article <711750113@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone) writes:
> 
> >(And education is important;
> >just this morning in the paper I saw a plea from a Peace Corps-type group
> >that's trying to promote contraception education among islanders in the
> >Pacific. The group was requesting dildos since the islanders were confused
> >by simulations, and thought that they were supposed to actually put condoms
> >on bananas or corncobs before they engaged in sex.) 
> 
> So why are they asking for dildos, I wonder?  Won't they just have
> people putting condoms on dildos before having sex?

Sounds as if they can't speak the language.  If they did,
they could utter the following sentence:

  "I'm showing you this with a corn-cob, but really this
   thing goes on his dick."

The idea that just because you live on a Pacific island
you can't understand the simplest of concepts is nothing
but racism.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: debbiek@rruxc.uucp (25670s-kennedy)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:53:51 GMT

On Dynasty, way back in the early 80's.  Blake Carrington's
son Steven was a regular cast member and he was gay.
(Once there was even a bedroom scene (but no touching!).
Eventually, he married a girl named Sammie Jo, they had a
baby, Steven was miserable and they got divorced.  He then
got involved and moved in with a guy named Mark, I think,
and they battled over who should have custody of "Little Blake"
because Steven & Mark couldn't possibly be "fit".  Eventually,
Sammie Joe came to terms with the whole situation and every
other weekend Little Blake stayed with Daddy & Mark.
From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: resonances
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:37:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul28.223735.157131
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul28.125539.29322@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>some years ago i also remarked on two other expressions of this kind
>of moral purpose in the lesbigay world: the extent of principled
>vegetarianism among lesbians

The vegetarianism thing doesn't seem so incongruous if you realize
that meat (keep yer minds outa the gutter) is a highly gendered
commodity. In fact I read a book that said that vegetarianism is
incomplete without feminism and vice-versa. 

(Now, feminism does not imply lesbianism, but I think it's fair to 
say that perhaps a greater percentage of lesbians are feminists 
(at least self-identify as such) than straight women. Melinda? I 
believe you had some comment on the idea that lesbian == feminist 
some time ago...)

Tim
Newsgroups: soc.motss