From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Secularism.. Overkill.
Keywords: communal carnage
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:59:43 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec11.190431.20260@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kavuri@lips1.ecn.purdue.edu (Surya N Kavuri ) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.001522.18118@massey.ac.nz>, P.S.Susarla@massey.ac.nz (P.S. Susarla) writes:
>> 
>> If one recollects the past communal violences in Hyderabad,
>> authentically one can say that all of them were the initiatives of
>> muslims...When hindus retaliate, they are branded as militants etc
>> etc...
>> 
>> 
>> Susarla
>
>The killings in Hyderabad (if you prefer, call it communal violence)
>is ALWAYS in the areas where Muslims are dominated in number - such
>as the old city.

  1. First of all, your assertion that communal voilence
     does not happen in Hindu-dominated localities is untrue.
     Communal voilence does happen in many other major
     localities in twin cities. 
 (AfzalGunj, Saidabad, Bolarum, Nallakunta, Tarnaka,
  Malakpet, Dilshuknagar, Mushirabad, Jamia-Osmania.....)
  In all these localities, majority of the population is
  Hindu. 


 2.  All that can be said is that, typically communal
    roits do not spread much into middle class residential
    neighborhoods. 
   (AshokNagar, Vidyanagar, New Nallakunta, Maredpalli, 
     SreeNagar Colony, Barkatpura...)
    And this can be easily explained.


 3. And next,regarding the old city. 
   As you say, most of the muslim population resides
   in old city and adjacent localities. 
   There is ALSO a quite a big Hindu population in this
   and adjacent areas.
   Economically, a big majority of the population in
   these areas range from very poor to lower middle class.
  All the problems that are typical with any
  old city and poor neighborhoods can be seen here.
  There is lot of unemployment here.
  As a result of this, there is a lot of lumpen element.
  And at the same time, most of the wholesale business
  operate from old city. And many of these businesses
  are owned by Hindus.

  For anybody familiar with Hyd. politics it is
  well-known that traditionally both Majlis and RSS(Narendra & co)
  operate from these areas.

  And nearby to old city, there is Afzal Gunj bus depot,
  district bus station, and  Osmania General Hospital
  where you come across lot of people from out of city.

  Enough said about old city
  Given these economical, social and geographical
  conditions and many other,
  it is not very difficult to understand why this
  area is more prone to voilence and bloodshed
  during communal roits.

4. And there is no statistic available to indicate
   that most of the people who die in communal
   voilence are Hindu or otherwise.


5. Communal roits do not always happen because of
   communal differences. There are political reasons.
   (like recently, to overthrow Chenna Reddy Govt.) 

6. In Hyderabad, before any muncipal election
   communal roit is a very good possibility.
  This helps the political parties involved to polarize
  the voters. This has nothing to do with ordinary
  Hindus or Muslims.
  And this has been done by Cong(I), BJP and Majlis.
  There are occasions in which communal roits have
  been incited to grab lands.
  There have been instances in which commual roits
  were incited in the name of 'Ganesh Nimmajanam'
  (1982).

7. Till 1980, there not have been major communal roits
   in Hyderabad, be it old city or anywhere.  


     And so sir, what happens in either old city 
     or anywhere else has NOTHING, NOTHING to do with
     YOUR perceptions of either 'Hindu magnamity and
     tolerance' or 'Muslim belligerence'.

   Take a lesson in Hyderabad history(not from RSS).
   It may help. 

> All the problems in the world today (including
>Serbians) seem to have a Muslim-connection.  Either these people
>are trouble-mongers or it is a surprising coincidence.
>
>
>Surya Kavuri


    Even assuming that what you are saying is 100% true,
    I do not know how you can arrive at this conclusion.

    It's funny to see you fanatics make this great
    socialogical discoveries.

    Based on your stupid and ignorant understanding
    of communal politics and voilence in Hyderabad,

    you unveil your great discovery

     'All the problems in the world today seem to
     have a Muslim-connection'.
  
     Do you know where is Serbia?? Talk about things you know.

     Ahh! Man!  There should be a limit to fanaticism
     and stupidity!
     You disgust me!!

     And you think that you are being very rational,
     scientific and impartial here....
     And whole of muslim population in the world 
     is 'trouble-mongering'...

      Are you brain-dead or what!
      And you call yourself educated...
      Shame on you!!!!

-srinivas.
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