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From: hblim@iti.gov.sg (Hock-Beng Lim)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:15:59 GMT

goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.234623.18455@leland.Stanford.EDU> akster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aki Shoji) writes:
>>
>>	[Stuff deleted]
>>
>>the quality of teaching.  I've gone through schools in Singapore as well
>>as 2 in the U.S. and can count very few good teachers (mostly at Stanford
>>Law School).  I thought the worst were those at Hwa Chong JC.
>                             ^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>E. Yap
>>

>I beg to differ, but perhaps from a different perspective,
>because I was probably at HCJC earlier.

>I was at Hwa Chong J.C. in 83-84 and I feel that the teachers
>there were excellent, especially the Further Math teachers.
>Back then, Hwa Chong math department was supposed to be really good.
>(Particularly, Miss Yap and Mrs Kong, to whom I dedicate this
			     ^^^^^^^^

Mrs Kong Chai Eng is now at Victoria Junior College, where she is the head
of the Mathematics Department. In 1984, when VJC was set up, quite a large
number of teachers from Hwa Chong (most of them excellent ones) joined VJC.
This includes Mrs Lee Phui Mun, former vice-principal of HCJC, who is now
the principal at VJC. Many of the ex-HCJC teachers joined VJC to continue
working with her.

HB (Pioneer Victorian in 84S31)

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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: How good (?) is life in Singapore?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:58:39 GMT

Now that we know the % of Ph.ds in NUS & NTU, and that Singapore has a 
competitive environment and work ethic which may or may not be as productive
and/or competitive as that which exists in the U.S., Perhaps we could now
talk about LIFE IN SINGAPORE.

IMHO, Singapore is a GREAT city - if you like city life. You get easy access
to cinemas, shopping centres, swimming pools, squash courts, etc. In Singapore,
you get access to most of the 'urban-type' entertainments. However, Singapore
is relatively puritanical - you don't get arrested for kissing in public
but you won't get to see strippers in nightclubs either. What you do miss out
on in Singapore is stuff like rock-climbing or bushwalking. Nothing like a
nature reserve exists in Singapore(IMHO, BT Timah Reserve is only a reserve in
name). You won't get to commune with nature in Singapore. However, Malaysia is
not far away. While K.L. or J.B. is about as 'urban' as Singapore, there are
many other places as yet 'unspoilt' within easy reach of Singapore if you feel
the need to 'escape' from the CITY to breathe.

If you have kids, you need not worry about good educational facilities being
available to them. Many schools, private and public exist to provide good
education and serve as an alternative to the 'International schools'(which 
charge exhorbitant fees) for the kids of expatriates in Singapore. What you
do have to worry about is having your kids pick up that Singaporean trait of
'Kiasuness'(roughly translated as being afraid to lose) in that gladitorial
arena which also serves as Singapore's education system - then again you might
consider being 'kiasu' a virtue.

Don't worry too much about crime. Singaporean streets are as safe as they can
get. The crime rate is very low. That doesn't mean however, that you could
leave your front door wide open(I can do that in Tasmania).

Making friends should not be too much of a problem. Most Singaporeans are
friendly and are used to seeing and working with a great diversity of races.
As long as you speak English, you should not too much of a problem. However,
don't expect your neighbours to come calling with arms open and kissing
immediately(if ever) - It takes quite a bit of effort and time to get beyond
polite conversation and courtesies in Singapore to friendship.

As for a lot of the exaggerated nonsense about the tyranny and Police state
in Singapore. Don't worry about it. Just don't go around 'demonstrating' -
Singaporean Police consider it a breach of public order(no politics involved
there). Criticise the government as much as you like - just be prepared to
back whatever you say with LOTS of undisputable evidence, else be prepared
for lotsof lawsuits AND the sack. Also, how and to whom you make your
criticisms is important. No big banners, no public speeches, unless you
happen to be an OFFICIAL member of the opposition, possess a permit, etc, etc
Best of all, don't get involved. Politics is pretty boring in Singapore anyway.

Edmund
From: akster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aki Shoji)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:55:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.205036.16778@leland.Stanford.EDU> akster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aki Shoji) writes:
>I was there in 1984 for 10 months.  My classmates were nice, and the GP
>teacher, Ms. Guth was very good.  Otherwise, I did not get much out of
>my stint at Hwa Chong.  The constant exhortation to have "school spirit"
>was irritating (according to my sister, it was already much better than
>when she was there in 1980), I hated transparencies and huge lecture halls,
>everyone was SO exam-oriented... Basically I felt "lemming"-ized, so I got
>out when I could.
>
>But of course, that was my own experience.  Glad to know the system
>worked for most people.
>
>
>
>
>

Oops, inadvertently left out the article from KC Goh that I was replying to.



E. Yap

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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:35:38 GMT

In <1992Jul25.185524.9669@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:

>>Aren't Sultans a kind of race. They are related by birth rights, the same
>>way chinese are called chinese because their parents are chinese.

>Forgive me for harping on this but I think this particular statement
>deserves an applause all by itself NOT! "Sultans a kind of race"... Sheesh!!!

I am not familiar with Malaysian's sultan, but in Indonesia Sultan is similar
to a king/prince. eg: Sultan Hamengku Buwono IX, then X, etc. (Just like in
the UK).  Only a son of a Sultan can be a Sultan. 
Ordinary people (like me) can't be a sultan. 
Hmm, maybe it's kind of a race. (Blue blood ?)

-- budi 
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From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Malaysia + Badminton + Olympic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:51:26 GMT


The olympic badminton competition started yesterday.  But I can't
find any results in the U.S. media, and I still can't any posting
of the results in rec.sport.olympic. Can some body in Singapore
and Malaysia please post the detail results, esp those of
Malaysia players ?

Kelvin Cheu
From: wwoo@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (MICHAEL WOO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: PLEASE HELP ME WITH QUOTING!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:26:44 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


Could somebody outthere help me how to use the qouting method to qoute somebody
article quote by quote at a time. like take one segment by the time and reply
that particular segment of questions?

my email address is as followed wwoo@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu.

p/s Thank You very much
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SCHOOL OF COMPUTER SCIENCE 
UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA
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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Official opening of RI (Bishan)
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Jul20.094159.2625@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.094159.2625@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

{stuff deleted}

	   Do you think it is fair to Singapore Malays and Indians; to compete
   with the best in the world?

Why not?  If one competes with the best, one has a more effective indicator of
one's abilities than if one were to compete with the second-raters.




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From: ksafar@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:31:29 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Jul27.132700.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Jul26.170112.17051@menudo.uh.edu>, acsm1@menudo.uh.edu (Reza Hussein) writes:
> 
>> Brunei's small contingent came in, one of them commented that "The only event
>> that they [Brunei] are going to compete is the BUFFET!" Fortunately, they
>> gave more credit to Malaysia's delegates. But still the only camera shots of
>> the team was only of Razif Sidek who was the flag bearer. The audience at
>> home couldn't even see the entire team.

        Speaking of the entire [M'sian] team, whatever happened to the 
hockey team during the opening ceremony? The contingent would have looked 
about twenty people larger.
	Nevertheless, Razif & co., even during the few seconds that we 
could see them, looked very nice in the green baju Melayu.
 
> The most impressive part of the ceremony I feel must be the lighting of the
> Olympic flame by the archer.  He must have put in lots of practice.
	
	Yup, I agree. It was very creative.

kamal.
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malay and Islam:  an ever lasting match?
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:23:13 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <KYTAN.92Jul27091347@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>, kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
> Regarding the post by E.A. Jaafar about Malays having to be Muslim, my question
> is:
> 
> 	Why must a Malay be a Muslim?
> 
> After all, Islam was brought to Malaysia by Arabic traders.  What were Malays
> before that?  Race should not be an issue where religion is concerned; only the
> individual should decide.  
> 
> It's like saying that a Caucasian MUST be a Christian of some sort.  This is
> obviously untrue as there are many who are Buddhists, Muslim, etc.  So race
> should be completely irrelevant.
> 
I totally agree with you on this issue however I dont think you got my point
and the basis of my article.  If you do you wont be asking the question.
What I was saying in that particular article is basically the same as what  
you're saying. I would suggest you read it again and if there's any
ambiguity please contact me personally.  As I said before, to argue on something
that's not clear is a waste of time.

I also would like to take this opp. to urge those who're involve in this prince-
good-bad-issue to just put a lid on it. The fact is, he doent need anybody's
help to explain his actions and decisions and his plans and his life all
together.  To fight over this issue is totally unnecessary.  IMO, if
religion doesnt play an important role then why should it be now?  


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From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Spratlys getting hot!
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:42:01 GMT
Reply-To: nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. EE, National Univ. of Singapore

In article <1992Jul21.125910.16265@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> China claims spratlys in its constitution. Japan, Vietnam complains.

   From yesterday's paper, China sorta agreed on joint development of the
   natural resource of the islands and leave the constitution issue aside.

|> Malaysian still has not bought its MIG 29. No money.

   First it was buying Tornado, then Hawk and now MIG 29.  Maybe the China
   F8 will be the next contestant. :-) Always different from the rest of
   ASEAN.

-Won Soon

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From: ravi@s938.frec.bull.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Job in the ASEAN
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:33:09 GMT
Reply-To: ravi@vfl29ec.bull.fr ()

Hi Netters,
        I am an Indian currently working as a Contract Software Engineer at BULL
 S.A , France for the past 30 months. I am looking to find a job in the ASEAN.
        Could someone help me out with a list of companies who might
        employ Indians on a contract / permanent basis.
        Kindly send a mail to ravi@s938.frec.bull.
        Thanking you in advance

        - Ravirajan
From: espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Khen Hong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: TARCIAN
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:49:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

Hello,

        Any ex-TARCIAN out there ?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
Reply-To: nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. EE, National Univ. of Singapore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:24:39 GMT

In article <l6n0h7INN240@nyquist.usc.edu>, goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
|> 
|> I was at Hwa Chong J.C. in 83-84 and I feel that the teachers
|> there were excellent, especially the Further Math teachers.
|> Back then, Hwa Chong math department was supposed to be really good.
|> (Particularly, Miss Yap and Mrs Kong, to whom I dedicate this
|> defense of Hwa Chong to!).  And RJC didn't even exist back then.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Just to refresh your memory, Raffles Junior College(RJC) was formed
in '82.  The site of the campus then was at Patterson Road (just 2 minutes
walk away from Orchard Cinema).  That campus site was temporary and I was
with the only batch of students who spent our two years there.  From '84
onwards, the campus was relocated to Mount Senai Road.  RJC now tops both
the number and percentage of students who scored all "A" for the GCE A-level
papers.  Hwa Chong J.C. has been displaced from the top-spot for several
years now.  One reason could be due to the structural problem of the
building and they were forced to relocate temporary to a newly built
school in Bukit Batok.  On paper, RJC has a shorter history than
Hwa Chong but one must realised that the predecessor of RJC is the Pre-U
portion of RI.  I'm sure that was one of the longest history pre-U centre in
Singapore.  I don't mean to start a flame war here,  I'm just putting down
the facts.

-Won Soon
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From: sya@PE5.PE.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:50:35 GMT

peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.045043.14744@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>>
>>Islam does not require circumcision as a condition
>>to be a Muslim. Only the above statement. Circumcison is practised for 
>>health reasons. This practice is carried over from Judaism. My daughter was
>>circumcised. At first I was worried after reading all the horror stories but
>>when I take a closer look it is nothing more that the remover an outer skin
>>of something there.
>>	My wife is also circumcised. You know how I feel.
>
>Are you circumsized?
>If so at what age were you circumsized?
>If you were aged 9 years or younger when you were circumsized did you "think
>for yourself" and make a voluntary choice?

  Ah, freedom of expression rears its ubiquitious head in the matters
  of foreskin removal. 

>
>Guess I was wrong.he impression that in Judaism only males were circumsized.

  A majority of males in the United States are also circumcised.
  It's more a matter of hygiene than religion. In female circumcision,
  part of the clitoris is removed (not the clitoral hood, as generally
  believed). I am not sure as to the purpose of female circumcision.
  To say that it serves to dull the erotic sensations encountered in
  the erogeneous zones would be illogical since sex drive is more a
  a result of chemical and mental processes than physical ones.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ng Pek Yong)
Subject: Re: Internet Guide (was Re: soc-culture-asean)
Reply-To: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Kyoto Univ. dept. of Info. Sci. Tsuda Lab.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:01:09 GMT

 >
 >As Hock Koon Lim (lim@merlion.cwru.edu) was saying, there is a guide
 >call "ZEN: The internet guide" available for beginners, however it is
 >in .ps (postscript) format. Unless you have a postscript printer, you
 >won't be able to print it. I have the ascii version of the document
 >and I'll be willing to send it to anyone if you send me a email.
 >
 >Cheers,
 >
 >***
 >Albert Foo, Campus Computing
 >University of Missouri
 >Internet: uc580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu

Yes I am interested , so send me a copy.
Thanks in advance.

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From: Hee Poh <u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
Subject: Re: OTHMAN BIN AHMAD
Organization: University of Tasmania
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:42:22 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.072640.9008@newshost.anu.edu.au> Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au (Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au) writes:

: >	Which one do you believe? Me or you, who have never done it before?
: 
: Actually, NONE of the above constitute evidence.  I wouldn't trust a doctor as
: far as I could throw her _unless_ she'd experienced sex both before _and_ after

Was that the evidence brought forward againt clitorectory? Did you conduct
psychological test before and after , to conclusively prove that the women
lost all or most of their sexual pleasures.

: a clitorectomy.  Nor blue movies.  Nor (sorry to say) your wife.
You do not even believe the women who had circumcision in ASEAN. 
You must read my words carefully. I do not mention clitorectomy being
practiced in ASEAN because I saw it myself to my wife and daughter.
	I have lost more sexual pleasures from wathing those films and books,
and naked or semi-naked women. That is for sure.


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Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
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From: espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:06:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

DEAR S.C.A READERS,

TODAY IS THE DAY THAT ALL SPORT ENTHUSIASTS ARE WAITING FOR.

THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE GREATEST SPORT EVENT ON EARTH, APART

FROM THE MAGNIFICENT WORLD CUP (SOCCER).

WITH THE VENUE BEING PLACE AT BARCELONA, SPAIN, THOUSANDS ARE

FLOCKING TO THE MAIN STADIUM TO CATCH THE VIEW OF THE GAMES'

OPENING CEREMONY WHICH ONLY COMES BY ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.

MUCH TO ENJOY AND TO BE SEEN AT SUCH GLORIOUS MOMENTS.

FOR THE SPAINISH, IT WILL BE A MOMENT WHICH THEY WILL REMEMBER

TO THE DAY THEY DEPART. IN FACT, IT WILL SURELY BE AN INCIDENT THAT

WILL BE RECORDED IN ALL SUBSEQUENT PUBLISHED HISTORY BOOKS IN SPAIN.


WHEN WILL IT BE FOR MALAYSIA  ?.


KENNY.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: plane with 71 people missing in maluku
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:23:20 GMT



The plane was flying through forgy weather and crashed 
into a hillside as it was trying to land.

There were no survivors.

Rescue operations were difficult to carry out since
land vehicles could not be driven to the site of
the crash. Instead rescuers had to take a small boat and
then walk for sevral hours to get there.


- Suzaina