From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Walking her to the car.
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:41:18 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Aug14.100032.9183@news.acns.nwu.edu>, query@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Samuel Green) writes:
> Oops, forgot to put this in my earlier message.
> 	I will ask ANYONE who is going out at night (if I am around, of
> course) if they wwant an escort.  Men and women.  Usually, the men will
> decline.  Occasionally, the women will too.  I was told by a 'liberated' (I
> have no idea what, exacvtly, they are liberated from) woman that she
> thought that it was macho bullshit for me to offer to escort her.  She made
> it home safely that night, but, since she was so 'liberated', she went out
> many other times.  Eventually, someone saw her as a victim, and she was
> mugged and raped.  I don't think being 'liberated' is a very good reason
> for wanting to go out alone.

She made her choices in terms of safety.


> 	Since that has happened, I now usually INSIST on escorting a woman
> to where she needs to go.  If she refuses, I will usually follow her from a
> distance of about a block, and then run up to her if it seems like
> something may happen.  Maybe thats wrong, if theyt said I should not go,
> but, hell, I would rather be stubborn and called a jerk or worse, than let
> someone get attacked.

To force someone else to accept your viewpoint is wrong, and that is what you
do by not permitting her the autonomy of deciding whether she wants to walk
home alone. Why don't you at least be honest, walk up to a woman, and say, "I am
wlaking you home whether you like it or not. You can't refuse, because I'll
just follow you at  distance all the way home. You have no choice. Let's go."

You know, it would be interesting if police cruised by, she waved them down,
and said that you wanted to go home with her, but when she declined, you
followed her out anyway, and she is worried YOU are planning on raping her.

You could earn yourself a record with this behavior, as well as scare a lot of
women.

Grow up. Let other people choose their life's course.

> 	As far as following the guys who walk alone, I usually will do that
> too, just in case.  Anyone can get jumped. I have been attacked a few
> times, and in one case, I was lucky enough to have been spotted by a friend
> and helped out.  
> 	Call me stupid, but, I am willing to take a risk that I have been
> informed about and trained to deal with (as much as you can be prepared for
> an attack, I guess) if it means that someone who may or may not have been
> trained as well might be in danger.  I don't think this makes me a hero, or
> anything like that, I just think that it gives someone else a better chance
> of avoiding an attack.
> 	Sam

Gee Sam, where you ever attacked while walking BACK from one of your
involuntary escort trips? Don't you realize ALL you are doing is taking the
odds someone else will be a victim and transferring them to you?

I mean, if that is what you want to do, it is a free country, knock yourself
out. Just don't act surprised when it happens, 'cause you are making yourself a
prime candidate for sharing experiences with the woman in your first paragraph.

DC


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