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From: swkong@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Sieg Wooi Kong)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Where can I get multisystem Hi-Fi VCR (PAL,NTSC,SECAM)????????
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:14:36 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


Hi! I've been looking around for a HI-FI VCR which has the ability to
playback (and record if possible) tapes of different systems (foreign)
like PAL,SECAM..etc. 
I've never been able to find one here in Oklahoma but I'm sure somewhere
out there is one waiting to be bought.
So if any of you out there has any idea where I can get one of these
VCR's here in the states please inform me about it...if possible the 
price too (gotta stay in budget for my audio/video system expansion).
Thanx.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you.

Melvyn Kong
swkong@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: suhonen@jalka.jyu.fi (Timo Suhonen)
Subject: NTSC --> PAL frame by frame ??
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Department of Biology of Physical
	Activity
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:39:08 GMT

Hi!

(If this is a wrong group, would someone please give me a pointer to a
 better news group)

We have taken some tapes with NTSC video cameras. Now we would like to 
convert them to PAL format. NTSC has 30 frames / sec. and PAL has 25 
frames / sec. So, in a normal conversion we lose 5 frames every second
(machines are made for film conversion where the total time is critical).
We need _every_ frame from NTSC to PAL to do some biomechanical video 
analyse from PAL video. It doesn't matter that time of the tape will
differ from original to converted video.

So: Is there _any_ way to do the conversion? All kinds of answers are
welcome, even ones telling that it can't be done.
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From: luciw@apple.com (Bill Luciw)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: video games system's effect on tv/monitor
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:48:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <32990@alfred.Teknowledge.COM> Terry A Barnes,
tbarnes@Teknowledge.COM writes:
>any other video source, hardware-wise.  Games often include warnings
about
>burning static images onto the screen.  It would take a pretty long
continuous
>exposure (days-months?)  to effect a modern CRT.  Non-CRT technology
screens
>may be more susceptible.
>

I've seen specific warnings about image burn on projection TVs.  Are they
more susceptable than direct view tvs?

>Video game software *can* exercise a monitor much more than regular video
>though, due to the screen content.  You tend to have more fully-saturated
>colors and rapid transitions.  For example, "Super Mario World" has a
lightning
>effect that basically goes from full-screen black in one frame to
full-screen
>white in the next.  My XBR has a hard time with this, and the screen
"shrinks"
>momentarily.  TVs are built to handle typical content, not extreme
cases...

I've seen my Sony projection TV get confused about verticl hold on
extreme dark to light scene transitions using letterboxed laser disc
source material.  It normally 'skips' 1/2 a frame, i.e it does 1/2 of a
vertical roll.  Anybody else experience this?

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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Photo CD
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:42:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <75735@apple.apple.COM>, russell@Apple.COM (Russell Williams) writes:
...
> 2. The resolution of film alone is irrelevant (unless you wrote directly
>    on it with a high-resolution, computer controlled laser). The image
>    got there through a lens, and the lens/film combination has a resolution
>    limit much lower than that of the film alone (see the previous
>    discussion on lens reolution). A good lens with K25 *might* get over 80
>    lp/mm center, less in the corners.

A GOOD modern pictorial photo lens will drop >100 lppmm on K25 or PHR25.
With TP or some of the SOs, 120+ can be done. Plan-APO macro lenses and
some telescopes can go well in excess of this figure.

>				A more typical good zoom lens is more
>    likely to result in 60-80 lp/mm center.
> 

This is a reasonable range, but some modern zoom will pust the upper limit.

> Perhaps some kind soul from Kodak could post some answers in this debate.
> What's the slowest film that 16-base can represent without significant
> image degradation, assuming the image was made with a high quality lens?
> How big an enlargement can one make from a K25 or Ektar 25 original and

From experience, an 11x14 from a ~1" portion of a postcard from Ektar 25.
This is JUST showing the limits of the image. Full frame would be about 70x50"!
The limit seems to be lens/subject. It seems to be a difraction effect, whether
from the lens ( Canon 28-80L @ min focus dist ) or the bristles on the spider
I don't know. Grain is not visible.

I have been told that Ektar 25 is even finer grained when Hypered.

~Paul
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.satellite,rec.video.production,rec.video.cable-tv
Subject: Re: Timbe Base Correction with Start of Line Generator
Date: 11 Dec 92 07:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec9.173602.12208@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes:
<I am looking for a devise which does Timbe Base Correction (TBC) while
<sponeously generating Start of Line signals.  Sync generation would be
<nice, but is not manditory.  If anyone can point me to the direction of 
<such a devise, please leave me email.

What is a Timbe Base Corrector?  Not only that, what is a "devise"?
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: 8mm vs. C-VHS: a beginner's question
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:14:43 GMT

In article <1gqt1sINNqu2@cronkite.cisco.com> echi@cisco.com (Eric P. Chi) writes:
>
>  I seems to notice that 8mm gets quite popular days. BUt I
>really like if the camcorder's tape can be used directly with my VCR.

I assume this means you have a VHS VCR.  (Aren't there also 8mm VCR's
on the market?)

I would reconsider how often you are really going to need to use your
VCR to play back the tape from your camcorder.  When I went looking
for a camcorder 3 years ago, I eliminated VHS-C immediately because
the tapes had a short running time and the reports I'd read were that
the picture quality was worse than either standard VHS or 8mm.  I
almost got an 8mm camera, but ended up with a big old VHS camera
because I liked the grip, the controls, and the optics, and because I
thought a heftier camera would result in a stabler picture.  (I'd seen
some pretty shaky film taken with 8mm, and indeed my filming was
steadier, but I now suspect this is more a function of the
photographer than of the camera.)  Also, I probably had in the back of
my mind that it would be handy for the tapes to be interchangeable
with my regular VCR tapes.

At this point I wish I had gone for 8mm because the convenience of
traveling with a smaller camera case (I underestimated the frequency
with which this issue would come up) outweighs the slight advantages
I perceived in the other categories.

As for putting tapes into my VCR, I find what has actually happened is
that I make copies of everything instead.  In fact I have filmed many
hours of tape, almost exclusively starring my children, and have ended
up making three copies of everything--one copy for my mother, one for
my in-laws, and one for our own use (because my older daughter was so
intent on watching herself, I was afraid she was going to wear out the
master tape).  Of course, when you make copies, the original tape is
in your camcorder and you connect it by cable to your VCR, unless you
have extra VCRs (as some people do).  So why not just pop in a tape to
copy your film whenever you want to play back what you've shot
recently, and use the copy to pop into your VCR the next time you want
to review the tape?

In any case, hooking a camcorder up to a VCR is hardly any trouble at
all.  The thing is to keep the cable handy (mine is generally plugged
into my VCR anyway as a hack to suppress the TV reception, which in
Ithaca is all noise).  The main problem then is clearing a place to
put the camcorder down, which would be a lot less trouble if the thing
had half the footprint and weighed a fraction as much as it does.

Sorry this isn't as technical as most of the posts to this group, but
I hope it has some relevance to the question that was asked.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)



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From: pharris@ucscm.ucsc.edu (Peter Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.photo,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Photo CD
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:07:17 GMT
Organization: University of California Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: twilight-mac07.ucsc.edu
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X-XXDate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 01:12:19 GMT

Yeah, well except for the egregious blunder
about line pairs/mm, I think wetre on the right
track here. I must quibble w/the resolving power
estimate of Kodachrome, however, since I um
pretty sure the 165 figure comes from Kodak
data, and itts for a high contrast light source.
Optics? My Leitz optics do just fine, thanks....

As to the question iwho needs it?b Well, for one
thing itts the most stable archiving system Itve
heard of.(except for the (in)famous Polaroid
Carbon Pigment Print, whose estimated display
life is over a millenium.) For another thing,
once your image is digitized you can....
Oh, forget it. If youtre on the net, and itts
almost 1993, and you still dontt understand the
advantages of digitizing information then I
doubt youtll ever get it.
Peter Harris
University of California Santa Cruz

iI may be mistaken, but Itm never wrong.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Video Toaster for Mac?
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:29:23 GMT

In article <BzAJzo.CBv@iat.holonet.net> will@orac.holonet.net (Will Murray)
writes:
>I have heard several different stories from, even from within NewTek itself.
>
>So the question is:  Are they coming out with a Toaster for Mac?  And, if
>so, when?

not that I know of.

>
>The Amiga version is wonderful.  I've heard that they have a "black box"
>version coming out, which is basically an Amiga CPU you connect to your
>Mac.  That seems rather silly to me!

its the ToasterLink from Newtek.  Its a SCSI connection so you can control the
Toaster (AMIGA) from the Mac.  This is rather stupid because you can control
the Toaster from the Amiga side of the system, thereby saving a lot of money
because you wouldn't have to get/buy a Mac.  The only thing that this
connection is useful for is to do image processing with Adobe Photoshop (then
again, you could use ImageMaster or Art Dept. Pro on the Amiga side to do that,
never mind).

> Why not just use the Mac's own built-in video capabilities?

because it can't compare with the video quality of the Amiga/Toaster system. 
Macs are just not fast enough.  A standard 25 mhz 040 Amiga can run circles
areound a Quadra 950.  Macs are basically great for print work and thats about
it (and don't get me started on Quicktime, anyone who has seen DCTV on the
Amiga will laugh at Quicktime).

enough ramblings

JOSHUA TSUI



Newsgroups: rec.video
From: will@orac.holonet.net (Will Murray)
Subject: Video Toaster for Mac?
Summary: Anyone know if NewTek is REALLY coming out with a Toaster for Mac?
Keywords: Toaster Macintosh Amiga Mac Video SEG mixer computer
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:09:21 GMT

I have heard several different stories from, even from within NewTek itself.

So the question is:  Are they coming out with a Toaster for Mac?  And, if
so, when?

The Amiga version is wonderful.  I've heard that they have a "black box"
version coming out, which is basically an Amiga CPU you connect to your
Mac.  That seems rather silly to me!  Why not just use the Mac's own
built-in video capabilities?

---Will@holonet.net * EnigmaScape BBS (805) 541-4012
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: Department of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:08:37 GMT

In article <9212201450.AA20939@heartland.bradley.edu_>
tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn) writes:

 |Not trying to completely defend the article, but I think that it 
 |was written in a format and style to counterpoint the book, "The 
 |Japan That Can Say No" by Akio Morita (Sony Chairman) and Shintaro 
 |Ishihara.  If you read the Internet available translation of that 
 |book, you will find it to be somewhat "overheated" and full of 
 |half-truths itself.  

 The book is filled with self-display, self-justification, self-
satisfaction, and narcissism. Don't get serious about the book,
only the right bought the book in Japan (same?).

# By the way, I haven't received the original article.
# If someone saved it, please send me by E-mail.
# I just want to see it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Akira Mito(E-Mail:t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
  Junior@SFC(Keio Univ. Shownan Fujisawa Campus) 
  Department: Environmental Information (It's so COOL,isn't it?)
  Director of the SFC Hi-Vision Club, and member of SFC TiME, C-music.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: glk9533@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg L. Kimnach)
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi or Sony?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:58 EST  

In article <MJKOBB.92Dec15205053@media-lab.media.mit.edu>, mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) writes...
>In article <1992Dec11.200842.11584@coe.montana.edu> osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) writes:
> 
>   I love my Mits U82.  I would kill, rather than give it up.  It beats my
>   3 other VCR's all to pieces. (JVC, RCA, and some cheapo that had a busted
>   case, which I never use).
> 
> 
>Seconded.  When I can afford it, I'm going to replace my other VCR
>with another U-82, or whatever the current model is by then.  After
>using the U-82, other VCR's (many of them; not all) are almost
>painful to use.  This is mainly from the great fast-response
>mechanism.
> 
>U-82 wish list:
> 
>-let me record index marks on prerecorded material.
>-let me reset the counter at the VCR, without the remote
>-let me access the super-high-speed visible search from the remote's
>  shuttle wheel.
>-When switched to the L1 or L2 inputs, switch the relay for the
>  Antenna A/B selector back to A, so RF feeds through okay if I'm
>  recording VCR-->VCR, but don't want to watch the dub in progress.
>  (I know, I know.  I need a matrix switcher.)
> 
>That's it!

Hmmm.  Sounds like standard Beta features for the past 8 years (with the
exception of jog/shuttle on but a few machines)!

Greg

> 
>--Mike
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.satellite,rec.video.production,rec.video.cable-tv
Subject: Re: Timbe Base Correction with Start of Line Generator
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec18.151621.12317@rock.concert.net> barber@jazz.concert.net (Scott Barber) writes:
<In article <4583@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<>
<>	Video stabilization and color restoration.
<
<This is the misleading part.

No it isn't.

<Now if I just had me some more money, I'd get a TBC WITH genlocking
<AND proc amping, and I wouldn't care about the distinctions!!

I have never seen a spec sheet for a professional TBC that doesn't have
genlocking, advance sync and color burst (and sometimes DOC) for VCRs or VTRs.
They all have the proc amp, which allows correction of video levels and color
quality.  Today, a TBC has come to mean a unit that not only restores bad
sync signals but allows adjustment of video and color.
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From: uhclem@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:36 CST
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Need help with gamma computation
Message-ID: <-62130@nemesis>
Nf-ID: #N:nemesis:-62130:000:2105
Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!uhclem    Dec 18 22:36:00 1992


I am working with a device that as far as programming goes looks like a
VGA controller but outputs NTSC.  Recently I have encountered
excessive brightness problems and am trying to find how to compute
the gamma value for NTSC.  I know there is a standard for televisions
and I would like a definitive value on that too.

The hardware guys claim that when I output a 255, 255, 255 I will
get 0v Y.  If I output 255 for BLUE, I will get the
appropriate , I will get the appropriate Y value, and 100% I/Q strength
in BLUE phase.  Great, but as near as I can tell, this doesn't seem to contend
with what the receiver is going to do with that signal in the non-linear
display department.  My impression is that I can put out a signal that
is simply more saturated than it ought to be.  Test pattern sources
seem to confirm this, although I don't have a vectorscope.

If I want the finished color GREEN to be at 100% brightness after
Gamma correction, what value do I feed in (range 0 to 255)?
Assume the VGA to NTSC thingy is linear (appears to be).
How about for WHITE or RED?  Is there a variance for multi-gun colors?

A formula would be extremely helpful.  I will also gladly accept
references to publications that you know have the information in them.
However, someone has pointed me at a spec that simply had response
curves in it, not the actual gamma value or a formula.
Having the curve for response for vidicon and kinescope really doesn't
help too much, so a formula would be the thing.

I am having to compute these for 100% and 75%, at minimum.  For color
bar patterns.  Yes, I know I can't make the I/Q samples at the bottom of the
standard color bar pattern.  I am putting a luminance scale there.

For bonus points, is the gamma computation different for PAL-I?

Thanks for the assistance.

Frank Durda IV <uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org>|"You don't understand how radio
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Video Review
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:35:02 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: na
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <14DEC199215572204@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
<In article <19921214.104230.953@almaden.ibm.com>, DEASTMAN@vnet.ibm.com (Don Eastman) writes...
<>In <14DEC199211462438@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> GREG KIMNACH writes:
<>>It's back.....just got the annual buyer's guide.  Subscription: 8 issues
<>>per year at $15.97.
<>>
<> 
<>Is Video Review honoring subscriptions which were still active when they
<>ceased publication?  You did not mention if you purchased this at the
<>news-stand, or Video Review sent it to you because you were a former
<>subscriber.
<
<Sorry!  Yes I got it via mail on saturday, and no they are not honoring the 
<previously-paid subscriptions.  I guess that's because it's new ownership.

Read what they sent you again.  Read the mailing label.
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From: quint@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Quint)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:40:03 GMT
Subject: Barry Manilow video from Vista?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.video


My Dad is a big fan of Barry Manilow.  While I was on a plane recently they
were showing us a TV show on the plane's movie screen, and there was an ad
for a Barry Manilow video, featuring some of his live performances.  I think 
the ad said it was from Vista records, or some such place, but it didn't give 
an address or phone number.  Does anyone know how to get this video or 
contact Vista?

Please send e-mail to quint@spd.hp.com

Thanks,
Chris
From: unmesh@sgi.com (Unmesh Agarwala)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Laser disk rentals in San Jose area?
Followup-To: rec.video
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:23:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.asd.sgi.com
Keywords: LD rental

Santa's getting me a laserdisc player this year and I'm looking for
places that rent LD titles in this area.  The one closest to me,
Max's video, went out of business a few months back :-(

Any place close to 101 between MountainView and San Jose would be great.

Thanks,

-Unmesh

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: kang@iastate.edu (Single Golfer)
Subject: Hi-8 Video Tapes
Summary: Quality of Hi-8 tapes
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:22:41 GMT

There seems to be two types of Hi-8 video tapes.   One is Hi-8 Metal
Particle (HMP), and the other is Hi-8 Metal Evaporated (HME).
HME costs $4-5 more per tape than HMP.
Has anyone experienced the quality difference (picture or sound) between
those two types?  If any, is it worth for the price?
Thanks for the answers in advance.

Good shooting.

From: pvj@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Paul Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:13:51 GMT
Subject: Re: "Grey-market Sony"???
Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division
Newsgroups: rec.video



     1. Save money...mabey in the short haul?!@#
     2. No USA warranty = No repair in USA.
     3. Authorized SONY dealers do not print prices.
     4. Go through PowerVideo out of Texas (Video Mag) NO B.S.ing around!
        Great service, low prices, Authorized dealer, no tax.
From: rch@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Bob Hansen)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:46:55 GMT
Subject: Who has best 20" TV sets?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.video


I am a new subscriber here so I apologize up front if this has recently
been discussed.  I looked over the current discussions and found no
pointers.

I am looking to purchase a 19/20" TV set and am looking for the
best set for the bucks.  I have read the recent consumers report
and would like to stay around $300.

Consumers is not always on the money and they do not cover many
models.

Most important features (besides cost) are:

  - clarity (crispness)?
  - black retention (low lighting needs)
  - tone (will not be hooked up to external stereo)
  - simple but effective remote

Does anyone have a favorite 20" box they would like to plug?

Thank in advance,

Bob Hansen
rch@cup.hp.com