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From: krpeters@athena.mit.edu (Karl R Peters)
Subject: another nifty idea
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:26:24 GMT

It has been said by many people that we need bigger 
and better ideas...
so here I go with another nifty one.
What would happen if we detonated several (Like a few 
thousand) nuclear devices in the Van Allen Radiation
Belts? Would it be possible to temporarily disrupt the
Earth's magnetic field and cause the massive amounts of
radiation contained there to strike the Earth's surface?
(And thereby fry all life on earth.)

Main problems: 
1) Is there enough radiation there?
2) Can it be 'moved'
3) Are nuclear blasts powerful enough to disrupt the
earth's magnetic field? If not, would a gigantic
Tessla Coil do?
			Karl
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From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Numerical values
Summary: We need a list of relevant data
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:35:01 GMT

It seems to me that this group desperately needs a published list of
numerical values for such things as the mass of the earth/moon/sun,
energy released by fission/fusion bombs, volcanoes, etc.  I know
that a few of these are in the FAQ (not many!), but I would like to
suggest that we start a new list for these, that isn't cluttered up
with all the history & philosophy of the newsgroup stuff.  Failing
this, let them all be added to the FAQ.

If no-one else will do it, I will volunteer to maintain such a list,
although it might not get posted regularly.
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From: Alan@NXSci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Puffin)
Subject: Re: The Charter
Reply-To: kruegewa@cda.mrs.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.185536.1@cc.helsinki.fi> eperkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>                             APPENDIX A
>                          SUGGESTED READING
> 
>Science fiction in general:
> 
>Greg Bear: The Forge of God

Also by Greg Bear (but a little older):  Blood Music
Really good reading, but the destruction of the earth part is questionable...
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From: SYSTEM@ikews7.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Walter Scheuermann)
Subject: Commets and more
Organization: University of Stuttgart, IKE (Institut fuer Kernenergetik)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:48:12 GMT
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Fellow Earthlings

I've read a small article in a mag that told me that the earth is going
to be destroyed in the nearer future anyway!There is a asteroid heading
for earth wich is estimated to enter the gravitic well somewhere in the
second half of the 22nd century I think it was 2160 or something like
that.It's about 3.5 km diameter and it's impact will certainly destroy
life on earth as we know it.If we wan't to destroy the earth we better
do it fast.What about blowing this japanese ship with plutonium on board
up ? Sounds like fun.Thanx for any comments,but please nothing on ortography
and stuff it isn't 8:00 am yet.

						So long

							Erik Scheuermann

						The incredible Kraut

************The incredible Kraut - Taller then the average Kraut ************

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From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Re: Volcanos maybe ?
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:20:35 GMT

In <92308.170253DRS138@psuvm.psu.edu> <DRS138@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>     I'm new to this group and I'm not so sure of myself or my ideas but I will
>try anyways, and if you don't like them well go find your own earth to destroy.
>     What would happen if you found the deepest and consequently the largest
>volcanoe and place all of these nuclear warheads in it and exploded them one by
>one as they near the core of the volcaoe.  This would cause major cracks in the
>earth's core, and as a result set off many other volcanoes, earthquakes, and
   [1]
>tsuamis(sp) worldwide.  These natural disasters would wipe out most of the life
>forms if the break down of the earth's crust didn't.  I don't know much about
   [2]
>the sciences but I am interested in them although I'm not always sure if I
>completely understand them.  If anyone believes that this might not work or if
>this idea was posted before please e-mail me.

>                                         Don
>(Remember its not always the size of the bomb that always matters, but where
>                         you place it that counts !)

Oh dear, oh dear, here we go again!

[1]	Such an explosion, or series of explosions, might causes "major"
	cracks in the earth's *crust* (not *core*).  They *might* set
	off other volcanoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis nearby (say, up
	a few thousand km away).  But no nuclear explosion that we can
	produce with current (or even near-future) technology is going to
	damage the earth's *core* or cause the breakdown of even a large
	part of the crust.  As an idea of the scale involved, the energy
	of the largest currently feasible nuclear explosion is to the mass
	of the earth, as the energy released by bursting a soap bubble
	is to the mass of a bowling ball!

[2]	The breakdown of the earth's crust (*if* it were to happen) would
	destroy *some* lifeforms.  Plenty more would survive.  The
	"natural disasters" you mention would do an even more pitiful
	job of "wiping out all life forms".  Actually, all that would
	happen is that a few over-specialised species would become
	extinct as their habitats were destroyed.  Lots more would adapt,
	including (I suspect) *homo sapiens*.  So this plan isn't even
	likely to destroy Man, let alone *the earth*.

For more details, see the FAQ list.

Still, not a bad try for a first post.  But you need to THINK BIG!
-- 

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From: alizard@Blue.Kludge.COM (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: how to destroy the earth
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:48:32 GMT
Organization: 'Lectrick Blue!, Moraga CA

Read the old Lensman series by E.E. "Doc" Smith. Just about every book
in the series had a spectacular method of wrecking a planet...
e.g. smash a planet between a couple of planets...

A.Lizard

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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Commets and more
Keywords: I wish i were a Swift-Tuttle weiner...
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov10.125241.28528@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>Walter Scheuermann (SYSTEM@ikews7.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de) wrote:
>
>: do it fast.What about blowing this japanese ship with plutonium on board
>: up ? Sounds like fun.Thanx for any comments,but please nothing on ortography
>: and stuff it isn't 8:00 am yet.
>
>No. No. No. Too heavily guarded. Let's be a little bit more realistic here.

Yeah.  Its those Greennazis again.  If they hadn't screwed everything
up by promising to "follow it" (oooooh. Look.  A bunch of tree-
huggers are following us, Hiroshi.  ooooooh.  I'm scared.  I hope
they don't start throwing bunnies at us...) then maybe the
media attention wouldn't have been so great and we could do it!

We need to make a contact with a shipping company somewhere and find
out what the deal is.  How often is this plutonium shipped and
would it be easier to steal the plutonium or just blow up the ship
and let the plutonium irradiate the surrounding area?
	Yours,
	Jason
	Our Reporter on the Hideous Plain of Leng
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: how many nuke bombs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:16:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64746.student.cwru.edu

In article <101487@bu.edu> bradk@bu.edu (Bradley Kaplan) writes:

>how many nuclear bombs would it take to destroy the earth?

	You need to clarify your question:

	Do you mean annialate 99.99% of the higher life forms, rearrange the 
face of the Earth, crack it open, or completely demolish it?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 1992 18:02:35 -0500 
From: Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How about Nuclear Meltdowns

Excerpts from netnews.alt.destroy.the.earth: 3-Nov-92 How about Nuclear
Meltdowns by ECN101@psuvm.psu.edu 
> Two: the cores would burn through to China, causing the 
> earth's core (Which is under great pressure) to come shooting up.

Shooting up?  The material in the core is sitting in the most
gravitationally stable part of the planet!!  I HIGHLY DOUBT two
miniscule holes in the crust would have any effect on the core
whatsoever, even provided the radioactive material burnt through the
miles of crust that compose the continental mass.  The radiation would
be bad (or good in our case, I suppose), but hardly capable of a total
apocalypse.

Joe
From: bradk@bu.edu (Bradley Kaplan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: how many nuke bombs
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:59:57 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

how many nuclear bombs would it take to destroy the earth?
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From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Commets and more
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:52:41 GMT

Walter Scheuermann (SYSTEM@ikews7.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de) wrote:
: Fellow Earthlings
: 
: I've read a small article in a mag that told me that the earth is going
: to be destroyed in the nearer future anyway!There is a asteroid heading
: for earth wich is estimated to enter the gravitic well somewhere in the
: second half of the 22nd century I think it was 2160 or something like

Too long to wait. And unless I manage to stay alive with some strange drugs
someone is going to invent, I won't have the pleasure of being there when it
happens.

: that.It's about 3.5 km diameter and it's impact will certainly destroy
: life on earth as we know it.If we wan't to destroy the earth we better
: do it fast.What about blowing this japanese ship with plutonium on board
: up ? Sounds like fun.Thanx for any comments,but please nothing on ortography
: and stuff it isn't 8:00 am yet.

No. No. No. Too heavily guarded. Let's be a little bit more realistic here.
It's easier to blow some of the russian nuclear missiles. And if WE don't want
to be blamed, we'll just give them to Saddam, and HE'll be blamed.

: 
: 						So long
: 
: 							Erik Scheuermann
: 
: 						The incredible Kraut
: 
: ************The incredible Kraut - Taller then the average Kraut ************
: 
: ========================================== IKE ============================
: Walter Scheuermann
: Universitaet Stuttgart
: Institut fuer Kernenergetik und Energiesysteme
: Pfaffenwaldring 31
: 7000 Stuttgart-80
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      and I don't have a disclaimer.
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: The most obvious method...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:41:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <1992Nov5.033917.19220@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher) writes:
>Apparently there might be a way of doing this. I read a book on nonlinear
>phyics (for laymen) that spoke of a non-linear wave called an instaton. This
>wave has a field density great enough to rip the fabric of space time, flooding
>the area with particle/antiparticle pairs. 
>
>This may sound fantastic, but it actually happens in Heavy Ion collisions
>(I wrote a paper on this). The difference in the phenomena is that the field
>density of the ion collision is temporary, due to the huge forces pushing the
>ions apart. The instaton would presumably not have this problem.
>
>Agian, you might say that the darn thing could never be, but a professor at my
>college told me that it is quite possible to achieve this type of field density
>using the non-linear optics techniques we have today, that it was probobly done
>and the results would be classified. (High beam intenisty lasers generally are)
>
>Again, you might object on conservation of energy terms, but apparently it is
>not that simple an argument; at high field strengths funny things happen.
>I'll post my report if there is any interest (any if I can get a PC with 
>kermit)
>
>Any optics people out there? 

	While this is in no way, in an area of expertise for me, I might be 
very interested in seeing this. I've been toying with the conception of 
altering the orbits of planetoids or massive meteors. We have the technology 
to do so, if we could find some suitable canidites.
	Basically, we find one in an elliptical orbit, which we could nudge 
into a collision course using nuclear powered thrusters. Ideally, we'll be 
talking in the range of 10 to 50 km in diameter.  Any one in the  Aten, 
Appollo or Amor classes may work. While inable to crack the earth, if we 
have one impact with an appreciable velocity, it could certainly devestate 
the ecoculture of the Earth. Ah, the dreams of an astronomy major :-)
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: how to destroy the earth
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:12:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <L4NRTB3w165w@Blue.Kludge.COM> alizard@Blue.Kludge.COM (A.Lizard) writes:
>Read the old Lensman series by E.E. "Doc" Smith. Just about every book
>in the series had a spectacular method of wrecking a planet...
>e.g. smash a planet between a couple of planets...

	Doc always did have a destructive mind. I especially loved the 
finale where the Lensmen take two massive planets from opposite sides of the 
galaxy, place them in inertial status, carry them through hyperspace, 
postition them on both sides of a fortress planet, and released the inertia 
status field, smashing the planets together! However, since we don't have 
inertialess drive yet, we can only dream.
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From: krpeters@athena.mit.edu (Karl R Peters)
Subject: Re: How about Nuclear Meltdowns
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:14:02 GMT

In article <92308.144734ECN101@psuvm.psu.edu> <ECN101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>This is the first time that I read this group, so I don't know if this Idea was
> posted yet:
>
>Get one or two large sized nuclear powerplants (in close proximity of course) a
>nd let the cores in each go critical.  as the nuclear cores melt through the cr
>ust and mantle one of three things might happen, first the earth's core could
>come spweing out at such velocity that it would push the earth away from it's p
>roper orbit.  Two: the cores would burn through to China, causing the earth's c
>ore (Which is under great pressure) to come shooting up.  After this happens th
>ere will be no support for the crust, and it will come crashing in on itself.
>Or three the radioactive elements will poison the air and ground killing everyt
>hing (Not the end of the world, but almost as good killing all of the creatures
>).
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Someone has NO sense of proportion... :)
First, some criticisms, and then, an improvement.
1) If the core of the nuclear powerplant sinks through the earth's crust	, the result is:
		a volcano.
	No chance of changing earth's orbit with one of those.
2) The core WON't make it to china - it will settle down nicely at the 
	Earth's core. On the other hand, if you put one plant in China
	and one in, South America?, you still will just create two
	very nice volcanoes.
3) In the Chernobyl incident, a lot of the radiation was spewed out,
	withought the loss of all life on earth. This scheme would
	produce a similar result.

On the OTHER hand...
If we fill the earth with nuclear power plants (About one every mile)
and cause all of them to reach meltdown, we'll COVER THE EARTH'S 
surface with both radiation AND volcanoes. NOTHING could survive.
(Unfortunately, there isn't enough Uranium on earth to do that, but
a guy can dream, can't he? :-)
			Karl
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: another nifty idea
Summary: Sorry Karly..I mean Charlie
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:04:52 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov6.112624.22538@athena.mit.edu> krpeters@athena.mit.edu (Karl R Peters) writes:
>What would happen if we detonated several (Like a few 
>thousand) nuclear devices in the Van Allen Radiation
>Belts? Would it be possible to temporarily disrupt the
>Earth's magnetic field and cause the massive amounts of
>radiation contained there to strike the Earth's surface?
>(And thereby fry all life on earth.)
>
>Main problems: 
>1) Is there enough radiation there?
>

Nope.  The Van Allen belt has enough to "fry" quite a bit
of the population, but it's too spread out, would have to
be concentrated over a high-density population area and
thus would miss a lot of people.
2) Can it be 'moved'
>
Not really.  The Van Allen Belt (as far as I know) comes from
radiation from the sun, and is continually renewed.  A nuclear
explosion (or a lot of em) would disrupt the atmosphere a lot
more than it would the Belt.
3) Are nuclear blasts powerful enough to disrupt the
>earth's magnetic field? If not, would a gigantic
>Tessla Coil do?

Tesla Coil?  Yeah, if it were big enough.  But I think we would
lose a lot of surprise factor if we built one that big.  "Say,
what are you guys doing with that 8000km long Tesla Coil?" "Oh,
nothing.  Nothing at all."  However, there may be something
in this idea.  I'm going to dig out my old physics book and
try to get some equations on here soon.

>				Karl

I apologise for the > problems, I'm not entirely used to my
text editor.
		Jason
		Our Reporter on the Hideous Plain of Leng
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: s1072964@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (SHERLOCK(G.Fletcher))
Subject: MUDs
Summary: Vampire MUDs
Keywords: MUDs
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:58:30 GMT

G'day all you vampyre(vampire) fans,
                                    I was wondering if any of you knew of any
MUDs that involve vampires or a land full of vampires, etc. If so could you
please E-mail me the details.
                            Thanks,
                                    FLETCH.









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From: 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.)
Subject: RE:  WYREWOLVES
Summary: changing
Keywords: LYCANTHROPY
Organization: Centre d'Informatique, Centre universitaire Saint-Louis-Maillet
Distribution: net
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:55:27 GMT

	The thought of being a werewolf pleases me!
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Francis Ford Coppola's DRACULA
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:57:23 GMT

      Also check out The Dracule Tapes by Fred Saberhagen.  You will
never be able to watch a telling of the Dracula story in the same light
again.  It is a retelling of Stoker's novel from Dracula's point of view.

                                                  Glenn

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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:37:29 GMT

tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.043936.4914@iti.gov.sg> lenny@iti.gov.sg (Lenny Lim Kiong Peng) writes:
> >In article <ufaustus.721002910@mcl> ufaustus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Bergem) writes:
> >> I wounder who it was that said Vampires have to be evil?
> >
> >Well, there's an issue of Batman where he got turned into a vampire by a
> >"good" vampire. I can't remember the issue, but its one of those one book
> >kinda thing (in hardcover) and I can find out if there's anybody interested.
> Blood Rain.  Save your pennies, kiddies.  It wasn't that great.  Bats realizes
> a plague of vampires has descended on Gotham, and realizes the only way to take
> on Vlad is to become one. 
> 
> 
> >
> >I'm sure this is not the sole example, and there must be quite a few films
> >and books on "good" vampires. Oh yes! How could I have forgotten! There's
> >Vampire Princess Miyu, a Japanese cartoon (anime).
> 
> Nightstalkers, by Marvel Comics, has one such "good" vampire, and well as 
> Vic Strange, Stephen Strange's brother in _Dr. Strange._  _Pale Blood_ has
> two "good" vampires as the centerpiece.  
> 
Don't forget the Living Vampire Morbius (Morbius:  The Living Vampire) or the
reprints of "The Tomb of Dracula."  Not to mention the fact that in the early
150's and Annual 5(?) Count Dracula made a couple of appearances in "The 
Uncanny X-Men."  
-- 
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