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From: adchen@light.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:06:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.21114.17039@ms.uky.edu> kevins@primitives.inslab.uky.edu (Kevin Solie) writes:
>
>Ive been inlining for a while now and Ive found the break on these things
>useless. Not sure what to do in a pinch. I've found that When going down hills
>at a decent speed I can slow down by doing the old skiing trick side to side.


These figures are only fair guesses.  I didn't time or measure anything to 3 
places or anything, but I think it gives a good idea of how effective the 
brake CAN be, provided you learn how (yes, this means lessons or whatever).

                  speed        braking distance
                   0-5  mph         1-2   ft 
                   6-10             3-5
                  11-15             6-10
                  16-20            11-25 

I taught myself to brake with the above effectiveness about 3 months into 
skating. It's not like I'm particularly dextrous or strong or anything
either.  This can be done by pretty much any inliner.  If you can't quite
figure it out, have someone teach you.  If no one is around, practice 
sprinting and then stopping as fast as you can on a flat surface.  You
will eventually pick it up.

From my view, the brake is hardly useless.  It's the most cost effective 
stopping method so far, in terms of cost/perfermance.  If you want, I
can post or email the list of Inline Stopping Techniques for a somewhat
more in-depth discussion.


-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: six wheels?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:46:44 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes:

> If five wheels making simultaneous contact are faster should not
> six be even faster?

Theoretically, yes.  But you'd have to retain the large wheel size.  And a
skate with six 70+mm wheels would have one booger of a wheelbase.

Needless to say, when the skate becomes too unwieldy to lift and/or pivot,
it kind of defeats the advantage.

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From: ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace)
Subject: Re: Skating Magazines
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 02:07:30 GMT


Wex,

How does this sound:

"BLADES on ice"
7040 N. Mona Lisa Rd.
Tucson, Arizona 85741   (602) 575-1747

1 yr (6 issues) 16.95
2 yr (12 issues) $30.00

            ALSO

"TRACINGS MAGAZINE"
21 Weybosset St.
Weymouth, Mass. 02191

8 issues for $16.00

I believe that the prices are current.  If I sopt any others I will 
post.

Jack Wallace

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From: lasala@cs.cornell.edu (Steve LaSala)
Subject: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:21:21 GMT

	I'm debating between models of inline and wondering about the pros and
cons of buckles and laces.  It would seem that laces might offer a more
individual fit, but take time to get on and off.  Buckles look like they
might be faster on/off for transportation-around-town purposes but I worry
that they might be too rigid (like an alpine ski boot) for good skating.
How about the combination of laces and a top buckle?  Any enlightening opinions
and experiences would be welcome.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skating as Art (was: Petrenko as Pro)
Date: 15 Apr 1992 07:51:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.172258.127505@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman) writes (in part):

>For those who might have missed it, Katarina Witt spent most of her program
>slinking around the ice in a tight bodysuit, gushing oodles of sex appeal the
>whole time.  By strange coincidence, most people associate intense emotions
>with sex.  (Go figure. :-)  Consequently, I also consider Witt's relying
>on sex appeal, posing, tight clothing, and her  s h a p e l y   b o d y
>(which I didn't even notice, by the way) -- instead of pure skating -- to be
>"cheating" artistically.
>
>Apparently the judges were rewarding raw emotional appeal more than art in the
>abstract this time around.

The only "emotion" I experienced was extreme disappointment (and
outrage at the judging).  

I don't object to using sex to intensify a performance (e.g.,
Underhill and Martini, Torvill and Dean are adept at this), but it
should ENHANCE the skating, not replace it.  After Katerina's fast,
powerful technical program, which is the best I've seen her skate
since 1984, her artistic program IMHO, was an insult to other skaters.

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From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:39:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: netwise.1992Apr8.153915.8894
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO

In article <52910004@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) writes:
>[...] Since I have a somewhat anemic stop (and it's not nearly automatic,
>yet), I did a sharp cut into the left lane (no oncoming traffic, thank
>goodness), grabbed the middle pole to swing me around to the right (to keep
>from hitting the other loitering skaters), then took a couple of backwards
>rolls on my shoulders & helmet (my backwards skating style ain't up to a
>surprise like that, yet).  Since I was able to roll instead of slide, my only
>significant injury was a large bruise on the inside of my forearm from the
>dance with the pole.

First off, continue to improve your braking. Really good stoppers can spill
about a MPH/foot; you had at least twice that distance to stop.

Second, I'd say learn when to ditch. If you've learned how to fall and have on
reasonable pants, a 15mph ditch should be injury-free. A good fall is basiclly
an organized collapse backwards and to the side.

You can't count on that other lane being free and you may not have enought
time to check.

In order to do ditches, you have to conquer your fear of falling. You also
have to conquer a bigger fear for most of us: fear of looking like a complete
klutz when you ditch. The newbies wouldn't have a clue what an expert manuver
a good ditch is.

>Andy Hill
>ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Inlines: what to do with old wheels
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:03:27 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

A while back I ask about ideas for what to to with old wheels.  Inline
USA seems to have a good idea.  From their winter catalog:

"We are initiating research with the DOT to establish useful means of
urethane recycling.  Your used wheels can be an important link in the
polyurethane use cycle.  If you send us your old, used wheels we'll
make sure that they are put to good use as fill for highway impact bins.
Your shipping costs will be credited to your account."
                                                        - Inline USA

That last sentence has a nice ring to it 8-)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: sparck@netcom.com (Deborah Sparck)
Subject: Champions On Ice - Carnevale!
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:13:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

For those of you who live in or will be near the Bay Area on May 1st:

                            The Winter Lodge presents
                          their Annual Fundraiser

                            CHAMPIONS ON ICE
                             CARNEVALE! 1992

                                featuring
   
                              RICHARD DWYER
                               RUDI GALINDO
                              and other BAY AREA CHAMPIONS

                            Friday, May 1, 1992
                                7:30 pm
                            Hors d'oeuvres reception
                                8:15 pm
                            Ice Show

                           Tickets now on sale at the Winter Lodge
                                $25.00 each

                           All proceeds benefit the Winter Lodge,
                           a not-for-profit organization
                           All contributions are tax deductible

                           For more information and tickets, 
                           call the Winter Lodge at (415) 493-4566
                           3009 Middlefield Rd., Palo Alto, CA 94306

-- 
Deborah Sparck
sparck@netcom.com or
sparck@adobe.com
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From: greg@rio.Columbia.NCR.COM (Greg Porr)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade vs California Pro
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 12:20:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.171751.7013@novell.com> markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham) writes:
>In article <bregman.703298959@ds2.uh.cwru.edu>, bregman@ds2.uh.cwru.edu (Dave Bregman) writes:
>> 
>> I have an opportunity to purchase either a California Pro 800T or the
>> Rollerblade Lightning 608 for the same price. ($169.95)
>> 
>I have the California Pro "Nitro-Line" skates and am reasonably happy with
>them.  I don't know what the 800T is, but mine are basically RollerBlade TRS
>clones (laces and buckles).  The one problem I had with them was California 
>Pro's round brake system.  I couldn't find a new brake *anywhere*,
>and had to buy a RollerBlade brake mount and brake, which fit perfectly.
>You might want to check on availability at the shop for replacement 
>brakes!

My wife and I both have these same California Pro skates.  The store where
we bought them carries replacement parts, but was temporarily out of
the brakes when my wife wore hers out.  We picked up another brand
(I think it was Ultra Wheels) which looked like it would fit, and it
works fine.  The store then got their shipment of brakes in, and I picked
up another one.  Surprisingly, you get not only the rubber piece but also
the rest of the attachment.  I guess this way you could put a brake on
both skates if you wanted to.

-- Greg Porr
   (greg@rio.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM)
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From: quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael J. Quinn)
Subject: Re: races in Boston area
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:35:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.215346.4470@osf.org> damon@nomad.osf.org writes:
>
>Does anyone know about any races in the Boston area other than the
>Rollerblade event on June 13? Also, any idea when they start closing
>Mem drive on Sundays?
>
Where can one get information about this or other races?  I'd like to
learn more about the racing side of inline skating.  Are there races
this summer in the New York City/Philadelphia areas?

As far as the closing of Memorial Drive, I'd call the Cambridge Police
and/or the MDC Police and ask them.  Alternatively, the greenhouse
that's there probably also knows.  Good luck.

Michael Quinn
quinn@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:16:25
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: jll@copper.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:54:52 -0500

In article <1992Apr11.105457.12457@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> jll@copper.ucs.indiana.edu


   Are there rinks that are open in the summer time?  More particularly, are
   there any in or near Princeton, NJ?
 
This may seem a bit ironic, but I believe that there are more of a
relative percent of ice rinks open in the South than up North. I grew
up in the Miami Fl area and as I recall ALL the rinks in the area were
open year round. I think this is due to two factors:

  1) Ice skating is a cool thing to do on a hot day.

  2) There is a less of a seasonal "prejudice" to skating in the South.


That said, in the Boston area there are ice rinks open year round.
One that I know about is the Skate-3 complex in Tyngsboro MA. Two of
the rinks are ice and the last is a roller rink (where I go most of
the time).


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:51:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.16APR199213514422
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.163132.670@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jaw35117@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joel A. Walberg) writes...
>rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen) writes:

>>awhile ago is a brake you attach to the bottom of a hockey stick,
>>which you then put down in front of you and lean on to stop.  This is
> 
>This sounds like a good way to be impaled!  I think I will stick to the rear

Even more of a problem: highsticking comes to the trails. Novice skaters 
tend to flail away with their arms; this sounds like a real hazard to
others.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: Professional "Competitions" (Cynics eye view)
Organization: Yale Haskell project
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:45:17 GMT

No, you're not alone.  I don't think these "competitions" have very
much credibility either.  Sometimes people think that the judging at
amateur competitions is crazy, but it's rare to hear people wondering
if the judges are being bribed by the sponsors or are otherwise
rigging the results at such events.  At an ISU event, you know there
is at least some accountability among the judges, and uniform
published rules to govern the competitions.

In spite of Hamilton's activities, I think it's unlikely that the pro
competitions will gain the organization or credibility that ISU events
have now for a long, long time.  The ISU has a much larger base of
skaters, for one thing, and also since there's an increasing trend for
"professional" activities within the context of the ISU structure
rather than outside of it there'll be less incentive for skaters to
"turn pro" to begin with.

-Sandra
From: kim@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Ellis Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.162121.27918@cs.cornell.edu> lasala@cs.cornell.edu (Steve LaSala) writes:
>
>	I'm debating between models of inline and wondering about the pros and
>cons of buckles and laces.  It would seem that laces might offer a more
>individual fit, but take time to get on and off.  Buckles look like they
>might be faster on/off for transportation-around-town purposes but I worry
>that they might be too rigid (like an alpine ski boot) for good skating.
>How about the combination of laces and a top buckle?  Any enlightening opinions
>and experiences would be welcome.

I used to own rollerblades, low end, laces only. I found the laces only to be
a real pain. After about 5 minutes i needed to retighten around the ankle which
is timeconsuming with the laces. 
i just recently moved up and invested in some bauer's xt7. these have combina-
tion laces and one buckle around the ankle.  seems to work just fine for me. 
doesn't cut down on time to don them and take them off, but gives good fit and
is easy to retighten. i tried bauer's all-buckle inlines, but they didn't fit
well on my foot. don't know why. the buckles are adjustable, so i don't think
that the fault is with the buckle design. 
my $0.02.

ellis


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From: lebowitz@jomama.morgan.com (Mike Lebowitz)
Subject: Re: Martini and Underhill
Organization: /u/lebowitz/.organization
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:30:06 GMT



There's no question in my mind that my favorite skating routine is
Underhill and Martini's "Unchained Melody".  I've seen it several
times in person and also on television and it blows me away every
time.  It's hard to imagine when seeing it that they're not
romantically involved (they are both married to others, I believe).

mike lebowitz
lebowitz@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: six wheels?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:27:43 GMT

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:

>las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes:

>> If five wheels making simultaneous contact are faster should not
>> six be even faster?

>Theoretically, yes.  But you'd have to retain the large wheel size.  And a
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is the basis for this theory?  From my experience, the biggest benifit
from a five wheel skate is the extra stability you get from the longer
wheels base, and the extra traction from all the wheels.

But since the standard Zandstra-length frame is pretty stable over 45mph,
there isn't much need to go any longer than that.

If you or anyone knows of another reason (perhaps because five wheels
allows you to use more of a correct form), I'd like to hear it.

On the same lines:

Hey Phil E, why are Ice speed skates as long as they are?  Do they come in
different lengths, and  if so, what are the tradeoffs?


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From: adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Inline Magazine subscription info
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:55:20 GMT

In article <55870005@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kforman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ken Forman) writes:
>
>Howz' about posting it?  I've been looking for Inline or any other
>magazine about Inline skating at bookstores, but can't find any.
>(I'd love to get the famed 1st issue I've seen many postings on...)

Okay, the address you might write to (if you don't have one of those
cards)  is:

InLine(tm)
Subscription Dept.
1919 14th St.
Suite 421
Boulder, CO 80302

The cost is $9.97 for a one-year subscription (6 issues).

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Subject: Re: INLINE SATORI
Reply-To: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.012652.3593@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes:
>In article <3APR199218393664@jetson.uh.edu> st1cf@jetson.uh.edu (Emery, Chris C.) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar27.030330.14243@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu>, las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes...
>>>       I felt as if in total unity with my efforts. I was seized
>>>       by an unconcious conciousness of the wheels and felt as if 
>>>       I could  understand the intricacies between them, the road and my
>>>       self.  At the end I was surprised to discover that I had exceeded
>
>	[stuff deleted]
>>sounds like you found the Zen of skating. I often experience this when
>>skating home from downtown Houston (usualy late at night).
>>just me, my skates, and the road.  It's fantastic!
>>
>>chris emery>       
>
>This comment is not meant to ridicule these feelings.  I totally agree --
>skating is a rush because the stroke matches the brainwaves or something like
>that.  But a few month ago, I *really* got a high from skating.  Turns out
>here in rainy Seattle I go a couple of times a week during winter
>to the "I-90 bicycle tunnel", which is a bike-path tunnel maybe 400 yds
>long, lighted, smooth, wide, etc.  A good place.  Anyways, so on this
>one  night, there were a couple of kids smoking pot at the upwind end of
>the tunnel, and there I was, skating, breathing hard, becoming water,
>flowing with the technique.  The tunnel filled with pot-smoke . . .
>
>Ricardo

***  Ricardo your story sounds very nice. There was however no pot smoke
     in Central Park. Lately my skating has turned into an economy of 
     movemnet that I find perplexing - yet I'm travelling at 25 mph. Has 
     anyone experienced ( you) this phenomena?.  Sal
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: durometer question
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:36:09
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 16:42:07 GMT

In article <cduPbTC00WBM048kVq@andrew.cmu.edu> ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Ambroziak) writes:


   I'm looking for my first pair of in-line skates and am looking for
   skates with good, fast, durable wheels.  To my great surprise, noone
   seems to know how the durometer rating relates to durability or hardness.

Part of the problem here is that durability is not a direct function
of durometer. It is very much a function of the composition of the
wheel. Polyurethane is just one wheel composition. One other plastic
that has been used in wheels is methylene disocyanate (MDI). I am an
indoor quad skater and in this domain, there is quite a bit of
variation in durability with roughly the same durometer. I once wore
out a pair of Belair (satin rolls?) in a couple of weeks.

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@nnm.com