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From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Subject: Re: Sin, Gaiman defend Spawn, Image
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:22:01 GMT

I will now set the record straight on my view of Image Comics. From
the perspective of the comic book industry, I hope that it succeeds
and produces a slew of similar creator-dominated publishing companies.
However, with the exception of these three issues of Spawn written I
will probably never buy any Image titles.

I think that having creator-controlled publishing houses, which give
the writers and artists free reign is a Good Thing. (actually, I
think that most writers and artists need an editor to keep them from
going totally insane, but that's another issue) I hope that Image
proves that a company can give creators freedom and be a commercial
success. Also, since its really competing directly against Marvel,
I hope that it seriously erodes into the Marvel market share and
breaks the "Big Two or Nothing" attitude of many comic book stores
and comic book buyers. I hope that more companies that have the
same belief in creator rights spring up and become successful. I
think that it would improve the industry tremendously.

On the other hand, as a comic book consumer, I have certain levels
of quality that I look for in a title. I prefer a certain minimum
level of writing in my comics and while I occasionally break that
rule for certain titles, I have heard nothing good of any of the
Image titles other than "This series doesn't suck as much as it
used to" which is hardly a recommendation. I will buy the three
Spawn issues and hope that they sell amazingly well and then have
the title plummet to its old sales level or lower. Maybe it will
give Todd a clue that a comic needs a good writer as well as a
good artist. (Youngblood suffers with neither good art or good
writing)

Hence, my attitude. I like the comany for what it represents, I
just think that some of the attitudes towards the products they
produce need to be radically altered.

-- 
    Martin Terman, Mutant for Hire, Mean Ol' Top, Priest of Shub-Internet
    Disclaimer: Nobody else takes me seriously, why should you be the first?
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"Sig quotes are like bumper stickers, only without the same sense of relevance"
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From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Subject: Re: Eclipse in Prospective Legal Boondoggle
Keywords: Mass Murderers
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:25:56 GMT

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:

>[Instead, I would pay Scott McCloud a 5.3 bazillion dollars to publish
> four issues of ZOT! a year for the rest of his life.  Yup, yup, yup.]

>                           "Peter Parker's parents packed a piece? Were
>                            papered coppers?"
>                                           -- Kieran Mullen
>                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer

if you can't come up with all that 5.3 bazillion every year, i'll
pitch in.

russ fischer
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/ long live the cast iron velvet glove.                  /          
/ russ fischer                                           /
/ -------------------------------------------------------/ 
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Creation of rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:35:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The Vertigo imprint isn't even out.  Speculation that it will
support traffic should until comics that Vertigo on the cover
appear.

"Feel free to disagree."-  JLA
-- 
"What's wrong with him?" "What do you mean?" "Well, he's standing
in front of a mirror, talking and smirking to himself.  That's
one of the first symptoms of megalomania." - The Doctor
"Ipsa scientia potestas est." - Roger Bacon
From: mikecap@weierstrass.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Stan Lee
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:09:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <92350.130615AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

>he deserves all of his money. He doesn't own Marvel, but he's got alot of
>influence, and whatever he says goes.  But another person who's a Marvel
>shareholder stated that Stan Lee owns a 5-15% (I think) share of Marvel.
>Is he the biggest holder? Because if he is, wouldn't that make him the
>'owner' of Marvel as you said?  Having the title of *owner* means
>having the biggest share, doesn't it?(I'm an engineer.'Nuff said...ouch!..

>   So there you have it. It seems that the question of ownership of Marvel
>is still shaky though.  There's alot of legal jargon in this word.  But if
>somone can give us a good idea or definition of ownership then the answer
>should come clear.

Okay.  To make it totally clear (although I didn't want to have to explain all
this legal stuff)...

Stan Lee owns between 10-15% of Marvel Entertainment Group.  He is *not* the
majority shareholder - that person (his name escapes me - Richard somebody)
owns about 54% of roughly 24,000,000 shares today valued at somewhere near $50 
a share (you can do the math).  Stan Lee *is* the head of a subsidary company 
of MEG - Marvel Comics Publishing.  Stan runs Marvel Comics.  The other groups
in MEG are ones for licensing, marketing, etc.  The guy who owns MEG also is
the chairman of the board for several other big companies - I can't remember
offhand their names, but if somebody REALLY REALLY cares, I'll just check my
Quarterly Reports and get back to you after break.

Mike C.  (Zen)

-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
From: menchett@pyramid.unr.edu (Peter J Menchetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Which Price Guide??
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:30:26 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

Hey there- 
I'm kinda having a survey here... I'm trying to figure which price guide the 
majority of the world follows. Please send your vote for the price guide you consult when buying and selling comics. Thanks. <menchett@cs.unr.edu>
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From: emery@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Scott Emery ACF)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:42:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.044036.25340@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.211146.3161@dorsai.com> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
>>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>>: >
>>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
>>: 
>>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>>double standard, no?
>>
>
>What double standard?
>
>Hello?  Hello?  Any oppressed caucasians out there?  No?  Didn't think so.

	Hell yes! There ARE oppressed caucasians out there!

	Caucasians are over-represented among the powerful, but there
is more than enough oppression to go around. Approx. 30% of the street
people are Caucasian (or I have seriously mangled some statistics I have
heard).  Flip side, the majority are black. I presume that Croatian
is close enough to Caucasian... My point, careful what you assume.

	Go ahead, flame me. I really do know better than to stick my
nose into this topic.

>-------
>Scowling Jim Cowling
>Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
>-------
From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Goofy Rumors and Superman
Keywords: superman, sandman, doomsday
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:59:38 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Dec16.013627.29679@udel.edu> mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) writes:
[Long story about Clueless Clerk Lady]

Hey, Mick, I know that Clueless Clerk Lady. (I shop at the same shop
that Mick does...it's a great store, even Mick will have to agree to
that...) She isn't clueless, she just doesn't read the books. She is,
however, one of the nicest people I've ever seen working at a comics
store. She isn't pushy (I went to one store where the owner tried to
push Valiants on me, cause Valiant was running a little promo. I, in
turn, pushed Cerebus... Talk about Clueless. This guy had HUGE back
stock (i.e. he still had first print Spidey holos two MONTHS after
they first came out...) and yet only ordered ONE copy of Cerebus a
month!), will do her best to get whatever you need (she isn't that
clueless- she helped me get a number of promo posters for free, which
some of the other people at the store keep forgetting to do...), and
is actually a nice person period (a good friend of mine, who no
longer goes to U of Delawhere, was in a real cash bind- so she loaned
him some out of her personal funds.).

Having said that, the story IS funny...

Ray Cornwall
U of Delawhere
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:21:09 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>In article <1g9bi6INN9kt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:

>Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
>called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid, it
>was used among in movie, television shows....

>Get real! *grinnning*

Well, being a Telecommunications type, (engineer), I'll answer this...

555 - 1212 is the official "information" number for at least all of North 
america, if not Europe, as well... you just put the area code in front of it
to indicate which portion of the world you're looking for...

Dave
-- 
David Donald - donald@dvinci.usask.ca	| "Get rich quick, or poor slowly."
Communications Systems Research Group	|		- R. J. Bolton, Ph.D. 
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.	| (Who, incidentally, also spent some 
"The Great White North" (tm)		| time in the land of Oz...Coincidence?) 
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From: scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Sean Edward Costain)
Subject: Re: LNH: Drizzt's Successor Announcement
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:30:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.193454.4462@wkuvx1.bitnet>, barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>And now the time comes to announce my successor to the Council of
>Elders.  After considerable thought 

	[An unbeliviable amount of blahs Deleted ]


>and so, I am proud to announce the newest Elder is none other than...
>Harith Jameel Alkhafiz AKA Kid Kirby!
>  Yes, he was the person who sucked up to me the most (sorry, Gary, I
>know you tried :+).  Just kidding.  Well, enjoy yourself, Jameel; I
>know it's been a blast for me.  My computer access expires Friday at
>five.  Sigh.
>
>-Drizzt

	My God!!!
		I didn't know, Whats the net going to be like without
Drizzt. Arrgh, that is almost too sad a thing to occur, almost enough
to make me go home/ but I shall survive this tragic news. Take Drizzt,
may you one day be re-connected. :)


	Black Armed Band for today.


		Dae Aini

Thou shalt be sorely missed.


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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:36:19 GMT

In article <BzDIJH.Kr0@news.udel.edu> krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:
>3)  Every comic that existed in the real world exists in the New Universe.
>If Quasar had bothered, he could have found out many, many secrets and 
>secret identities, just from reading some comics.  They say this right out
>loud in Quasar #31; the Watcher, for example, is only a comic book character 
>there.  (The reason that no one had ever heard of Quasar in the New Universe
>is that there, Marvel Comics went out of business right after the Pitt.
>(Bwah ha haaaaaaaaa  |-1 )  But I hope you can see the how impossibly
>ludicrous any further NU-MU crossovers would be.
>
Well, you have it right there, the PERFECT way to do crossovers.  The X-Men
come along, and get their butt thrashed by ANYBODY.  The NUniversians think
a) a bunch of psycho paranormals are enacting their fantasies, and need
therapy REALLY bad (especially the one with claws, who keeps on muttering 
about silverfox...) or b) products of a POWERFUL paranormal's overactive 
imagination, a la Alfie in Nth Man.  Either way, none would be taken seriously,
and would be a great way for Marvel to take a step back and evaluate itself.


-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: DC: Ace the Bathound!
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Summary: Who is this Harold?
Keywords: harold, batman
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:30:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.155048.18588@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.090907.874@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>He's back!  The Dark Hound Returns!  Just when you thought it was safe
>[ stuff deleted for space's sake]
>
>>Kala Christogenou, Joyeux Noel, Frohe Weihnachten, etc.
>>   ex machina, mais naturlich
>>Glenn, still mixing his languages a tad too dry (hic!)
>>......................................................................
>Actually, Ace was re-introduced in the Batman title a couple of years ago.
>Mostly he hangs around with Harold in the Cave. They've been keeping him
>rather low-profile, which I like, because although it's nice to see him
>occasionally, just how often is a dog *really* useful to Batman? I wouldn't
>want Ace to become Batman's answer to Wesley Crusher and rush in to save the
>day every issue :).
>
>cheers,
>	ast
>
finally a chance to ask this question.  I've been just starting to pick up 
the Batman comics regularly after a few years of reading them sporaically, if
at all.  And I just have one question.  Who is this Harold character?  Is he theguy who makes all the Bat-gizmos?  Is he a mute, or did Robin just not give
him a chance to get a word in edgewise in Robin III?  Any help on this 
character's presence and history will be appreciated.

***************************************************************************
	Another useless question from: ruderg@rpi.edu
					A.K.A Dooley.the.Mauve
	"Mister Worf.  Fire at Will."
	"Aye, Captain.  Can I be your Number One, now?"

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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:47:54 GMT
Organization: Safe Squids of the Poor

In <1992Dec21.001502.2515@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>In article <BzKoD1.AH@cmcl2.nyu.edu> silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:
>>ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>>
>>>	And the "mature readers" AIDS piece is *certain* to offend some
>>>	people, but they really have no basis for complaint because they
>>>	were warned on the first page. On the other hand, it looked to me
>>>	like McKean probably took a great deal of time and care in laying
>>>	the piece out and pasting and drawing in the background illos, then
>>>	drew the Death and JC figures in about fifteen minutes. They barely
>>>	looked like *people*, much less the characters they were meant to
>>>	represent.
>>
>>I agree with you on that!  Death looks like she's having a REALLY bad
>>hair day, and Constantine is only identifiable by his trenchcoat...
>>Other than the bad art, tho, the piece was very well done, and I think
>>Death was definitely the right one to do it.  

Of course, she's the most sensible of all the DC characters. B{)

>	Yeah, the characters definitely were drawn abysmally!  I wonder 
>whether that might not have been deliberate though--  part of the plan
>way well have been to present a less "sexy" Death and a less "scary"
>Constantine.

Dave McKean's drawing tends to have this look to it. (Look at an issue of
Cages. Please.) I think people either love it or hate it. It's certainly not
traditional comic book art. It might not be as accessible as it would have
been if they had someone like Bachalo do it. On the other hand, maybe people
will pay more attention to the message instead of gawking at the foxy goth
chick.

As a dissenting voice, I'll say that I thought the art worked well. McKean
did a nice job of catching the expressions of Death while not presenting
her in the "cute" manner that we're used to seeing her. Other than the
first page, where Death appears slightly spaced, I thought the art was as
true to the character as any since the first Dringenberg art in Sandman #8.   

As I said before, when it comes to comic book art, different kids for
different squids.

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From: cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:46:07 GMT

In article <Bz3IB4.KG9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> axjb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Anthony Bailey) writes:
>- no matter how much stronger Dream is now having had his ruby destroyed
>  and his energies rereleased, he was still no push-over at the beginning
>  of the twentieth century. How come Burgess was able to entrap him with
>  a fairly unspectacular summoning ceremony that didn't even have him as
>  it's intended target? 
My question is, when Burgess died a few years later, how come we
didn't see Death? Hmm???

Ray Cornwall
University of Delawhere
P.S. Forgive me if I'm asking an already-answered question...

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:9717 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:3421
From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:00:13 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:

> In article <10DEC92.14036480.0064@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
> >In Marvel, writers are a *bit* more careful.  Take for example,
> >appearances of Doctor Doom; what do you do if certain Doctor Doom
> >appearances don't conform to the way you write the character?  Easy,
> >just do what John Byrne did (in FF #247, I believe) and indicate that
> >that (the Doctor Doom in UX #145-147) was an android.  Alas, Simonson
> >"revealed" in FF #350 that John Byrne's Doctor Doom was also an android!
> 
>   No, he didn't.  Rather, he left it deliberately vague so that you
> could decide that any Doctor Doom appearance you didn't like or
> thought was out of character was really an android--the rest were
> really him.  I believe Simonson has stated this.  So if you like John
> Byrne's Doctor Doom, then it was the real thing.
> 
> --
> Jonathan Lennox
> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

Then there was a back up story in I think this year's annual. In it the 
person in charge of edditing Lateria history mention's how things have 
been edited to blame the robots for Doom's defeats "as if they were 
sofistacted enough to correctly act like Doom"

The next scene is of a Doombot falling over and blaming it on Reed 
Richards.

Dascoser
From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (part setter, part pointer, part chow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: avella gorgio
Keywords: sandman annotation
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:55:50 GMT
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation

In <BzJv1B.G1B@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca writes:
> > In <1992Dec14.003528.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@physics.rice.edu writes:
> > >
> > > Page 5 panel 2:  Gaje':  From context, the Romany word for outsider.
> >
> >	Oddly similar to the Japanese "gaijin".
> 
> Sorry to be a nitpick, but I would qualify that statement with "but not to
> Japanese speakers".  Or Chinese for that matter.  :)

I usually see it written "gajo"; Borrow in _Lavengro_ writes "gorgio." But
remember that Romany has Indic roots.  Gajo and gaijin may be related after
all. ...

-:-
	"Lovable, friendly monsters introduce early learning concepts
	 and help make learning fun."
					--a children's book catalogue
-- 
G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 10:19:11 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Distribution: na
 <1992Dec16.080139.1884@scott.skidmore.edu>

Here's why I think that the Grendel War Child art is *fantastic*.
The way McEown displays the action is very well done.  He gives us a
couple of new perspectives on the action, such as the overhead shot that
I really like because it shows the number of players involved in the scene and
the type of battleground taking place.As for Wagner's inking, this is first
time that I've seen his stuff, and I like it.  Oh, ya, and the perspectives
are correct.  What I mean by this is that when there's a hand coming out
of the page at you, it's not drawn awkwardly or out of place, it's
perfectimundo!
  I thought that the colouring was the best part.  At the risk of sounding
cliched, it was vivid and rich and full of life.  I've never read any of
the earlier issues of Grendel (before this series), so I don't know if it
was a kind of dark comic book, but these colours are really deep and
solid.  None of that 'half-colours' that you get with Marvel and DC.
Although I'm sure that the better quality paper has something to do with it.
But the landscapes and jungle scenes (in #5) are really clear, you get
different shades of green and the some black so the leaves and foliage don't
mix and you don't know where you are.
All in all, I like the art.
Check six.
Paul
(the Great White North.Ice Fishing is the most exciting thing)
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