HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: XID@IAEA1.BITNET (David White IAEA Vienna)
Subject: Photo CD again
Reply-To: David White IAEA Vienna <XID@IAEA1.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:53:20 GMT

I AM SORRY IF THIS IS A REPEAT AND HAS ALREADT BEEN ANSWRERED. But I
have not received anything from this list for a fairly long while.
I therefore repeat the question and apologise if it is repetitive.
I would, hover, still appreciate replies.

David


ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS:-



I understand that it is possibly to read a Kodak Photo-CD picture
with the Corel PhotoPaint progam that comes with CorelDraw 3.0.

Has anyone tried this? What file format would the pictures be in?
I haven't found any reference to Photo-CD in the manual or in the
Help file, but I'm sure I've read it is possible.

I have some unnamed builtin CD drive in my machine that works sofar
with any CD I have tried with it, so I assume that I will be able
to read at least one session of a Photo-CD, but I don't know the
format. Will the CD look like a normal DOS disk?

David White
IAEA, Vienna, Austria
From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Hitachi 1502s and more
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:13:47 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.


I have a Hitachi 1502s external CD-ROM, with the hitachi interface, 
hitachia.sys device driver and mscdex running under DRDOS 6.0
on a 386-40.

Everything sets up OK, but accessing the drive causes a freeze up
(I have it configured as H:) so merely switching to the drive
causes this.

Any ideas?  Are there known MSCDEX<>DRDOS problems?
Hitachia.sys is a best guess as I bought the drive without the original 
driver disk.
From: daniel.campbell@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Campbell) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: DAK CD-ROM drives and sof
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:54:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: daniel.campbell@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Campbell) 


JG>I receive a catalog from DAK, a mail order company from California.
JG>They are really hyping 2 CD-ROM drives from BSR (w/, w/o caddy), and

Joe, check out Creative Labs Multi Media kit...includes Sound Blaster Pro 
Card...CD-ROM drive...MS Bookshelf for Windows...Call 800-EGG-HEAD 
software...$399.                       

--- WinQwk 1.30 #177
                                  
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: RLW@SHCC.BITNET
Subject: Re: Anyone having trouble with NEC 84J CDROM?
Reply-To: RLW@SHCC.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:30:00 GMT

   Michael Potter <mpotter@DACDS0.LAMPF.LANL.GOV> writes:
<Second, I was able to fix the problem with the CDROM myself!  The problem
<was that the 50pin ribbon cable going from the PAS/16 to the NEC CDROM
<was flaky.  I replaced this cable, and everything worked.  However, I
<must issue a WARNING for other users of the PAS/16:
<   The 50pin ribbon cable is *not* a standard SCSI cable.  Before replacing
<your cable, take a careful look at it.  The two ribbon connectors are on
<opposite sides of the cable, rather than being on the same side.  I.e, pin
<one is actually connected to pin 26, etc.

This is a bit of mis-information. Both the PAS-16 and the NEC CDROM use a
*STANDARD* 50-pin ribbon cable. I don't know about the NEC 83J but the NEC-84
has a KEYED connector for the ribbon cable. This means that the cable attaches
only one way. The PAS-16 however is NOT KEYED, therefore it is possible to
install the cable BACKWARDS. The convention used on ribbon cable is that a
stripe (usually red) signifies the wire connected going to "pin 1" on the
connector.. This is true not only for 50-pin ribbon cable, but for ribbon cable
used for floppy drives, IDE drives, and data cables for RLL and MFM disk
drives. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS connect pin 1 of the drive(s) to the pin 1 of
the interface. What is confusing and perhaps counterintuitive about the PAS-16
is that when it is mounted in a tower case, you have to give it a "half-twist"
to connect pin 1 on the board to pin 1 on the CD-ROM. This is similar to the
problem with floppies where pin 1 on some 5.25" drives (TEAC, for example) is
on the opposite side of pin 1 on 3.5" drives and tape drives connecting to
floppy controllers.

Also, by the way, pin 26 on a 50-pin ribbon cable is in the middle of the
connector, not on an end. The pins in ribbon connectors are numbered in
alternate rows. Pin 2 is above/below Pin 1 at one end while Pin 49 is
below/above Pin 50 at the other end. But just remember ALWAYS, ALWAYS,
ALWAYS connect the pin 1 to pin 1. Use the colored stripe to identify
pin 1.

Rich Watson
Systems Manager (and cable maker)
Research Unit
Shriners Hospital
Portland, OR
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: roe@Unibase.SK.CA (Roe Peterson)
Subject: SVR4 filesystem src?
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:08:34 GMT

Howdy.  I've got complete BSD source code for an ISO9660 file system
that I'd just _love_ to port to SVR4;  has anybody even _heard_ of
_any_ kind of source code for a SVR4 file system that I can base my
work on?

Documentation would be nice, too.

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.binaries.sounds.d
From: jamesc@borland.com (James Chuang )
Subject: Re: Read before buying MediaVision
Originator: jamesc@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:28:13 GMT

I would like to share my story with the Fusion 16 CD, and the MEdiaVision Tech
Support.

Day 1 : Bought System.  Installed.  CD works, no audio.  Reinstall software,
	play with the PAS software for 2 hours.  no audio.  Remove the only
	expansion card, a 3c503.  reinstall software, no audio.
Day 2 : Drive 1 Hour, return system for an exchange.  Repeat day 1 sequence.
	Call BBS, no info other than FUSION 16CD is now AVAILABLE!  Call
	compuserve... (this was a sunday)
Day 3 : Call Tech support at 8:30 AM.  Got the message center.  They can't
	call me back until thursday.  ASk for supervisor, he'll call me back.
	never did.

Day 4 : No callback.  Return system.

jamesc

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer)
Subject: new 600 kbyte/sec CD-ROM
Followup-To: alt.cd-rom
Organization: University of Ulm
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:32:56 GMT

Due to an advertisment I heard that a new CD-Rom Xchanger from
Poineer has a data transferrate of 600 KByte/sec for DATA CD's

Has anyone got further informations (technical, availability and price)?

Thanks in advance

Christian Bauer

bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: tomlinsonjb%frgen.dnet@SMITHKLINE.COM ("Jeff Tomlinson, SB Computing Support,              8716 2533.")
Subject: Compaq CD-ROM drive.
Reply-To: "Jeff Tomlinson, SB Computing Support,              8716 2533." <tomlinsonjb%frgen.dnet@SMITHKLINE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:57:31 GMT

Hi,

Does anyone know about the new Compaq CD-ROM drive. Compaq says it supports
 multi-
session PhotoCD, but does it?

JT.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Decision made!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:55:53 GMT

ardie@UIUC (R.D. McClary) writes:
>     After following this group for a month or so, my decision regarding a 
>CD-ROM, purchased with limited personal funds, has been made.  It is 
>becomming obvious that choosing a drive at this time would be like deciding 
>among a TI-99/A, a Commodore 64, an Atari 400, or a Sinclair Z-80.  In other 
>words, as I don't absolutely NEED a cd-rom drive at this time, I should wait 
>until a clear "standard" emerges.  Otherwise, I might find myself finding 
>desirable software will not play on my system.  Comments?
*----
Yeah, you'd probably have trouble getting it to work on your floppy-based
8088 XT clone.  With CD-ROM drive prices as low as $ 169, you can take
your time considering next year's $ 800 product, and you can make the same
argument about waiting for next year's technology with anything..
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ardie@UIUC (R.D. McClary)
Subject: Decision made!
Summary: Sorry, industry reps
Organization: Department of Plant Pathology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:16:44 GMT

     After following this group for a month or so, my decision regarding a 
CD-ROM, purchased with limited personal funds, has been made.  It is 
becomming obvious that choosing a drive at this time would be like deciding 
among a TI-99/A, a Commodore 64, an Atari 400, or a Sinclair Z-80.  In other 
words, as I don't absolutely NEED a cd-rom drive at this time, I should wait 
until a clear "standard" emerges.  Otherwise, I might find myself finding 
desirable software will not play on my system.  Comments?
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: EARLEJD@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject: Photo-CD...
Reply-To: EARLEJD@MOREKYPR.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:39:12 GMT

Hello,
Does anyone have an up to date list of drives, host adaptors, and
drivers that support reading a Kodak Photo-CD?

Thanks

John David Earley
EARLEJD@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.binaries.sounds.d
From: sdw@bugatti (Stephen Williams)
Subject: Usenet distribution CD-Rom --- Floptical???
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:43:48 GMT

First, someone asked for the CD-Rom publisher (is there only one right
now?):

Sterling Software
NetNews/CD
402-291-2108
800-643-NEWS (6397)

Second: I have been thinking of using 21MB floptical's for custom
(one-off) distributions of certain newsgroups.  A number of people
asked me and others a couple of months ago about custom distributions,
but they were just too hard to do with CDROM.

A 21MB floptical, which could be recycled, would make a reasonable
medium.  Of course 3.5" MO (Magneto-Optical) would be better, except
for the price...

3.5MO, my price as a dealer (Just a little markup in other words):
$1300.  128MB disks, about $55 each.

Floptical drives: $300 (my price), disks: $20-25.

Which do you think would be more viable, and would you be interested
in such a product?

In support of this, does anyone see a technical reason why you can't
put ISO 9660 on any SCSI disk?  (Floptical/MO)  That way a disk could
be produced for DOS, Unix, etc.

Does anyone have standards or software so that I could build my own?

Thanks
sdw
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From: lauren@cv.vortex.com (The Superuser)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: DAK $199 CD-ROM -- no caddies: has drawer
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:57:40 GMT
Organization: Vortex Technology, Topanga, CA, U.S.A.

Greetings.  Just a note that the DAK $199 CD-ROM drive doesn't
use caddies, but *does* have a powered drawer (not a flip-top).
While the drive isn't SCSI, and is considered slow at 800ms,
I've found it just fine for our applications, and have had
no problems with either the hardware or the drivers.

--Lauren--
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4622 comp.sys.mac.hardware:22176 comp.sys.mac.misc:19531
From: jdzakar@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Joseph D. Zakar)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: MacIIcx + Toshiba XM3301E = photo CD?
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:46:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond


Does anyone know what it takes to make a Toshiba XM3301E connected to a MacIIcx
read photo cds?  I've got quicktime 1.5, Apple's CD 4.0 software, and a Toshiba
driver but I can't get the disk to mount much less read.  I poked around Apple's
photo cd access extension and saw mention of a slide show viewer but that
application didn't come with the software distribution on ftp.apple.com.

Thanks,
Joe Zakar
jdzakar@afterlife.ncsc.mil
From: blob@gallant.apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: CDR players with PhotoCD capabilities
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:54:44 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

gloster@INFERENCE.COM ("Vance M. Gloster") writes:

>The drive which is recommended by both the NT people and the PhotoCD
>people is the Toshiba 3301.  It currently only does single session
>PhotoCD, but it will have an EPROM upgrade that allows it to do
>multisession PhotoCD soon.  It is not double speed.  It is the only
>true SCSI II drive currently available.

The Apple CD300 also supports the SCSI II command set.

--Brian Bechtel     blob@apple.com     "My opinion, not Apple's"
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: 3" cd's?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:57:34 GMT

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>Is it possible to use smaller cd's than the normal 5" or whatever size it is.
>I mean  using the 3" or maybe a 1.5" disc.  It seems that most
>games and programs on cd's doe
>don't use the whole disc anyway so why not use a smaller one?
>Can this work?
*----
What's the point?  The small amounts of plastic and metal you save
won't affect the cost of the final product.  My NEC CDR-73 can handle
small CD-ROMs if I use an adapter (available at record stores).
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Mitsumi $199.99 CD-ROM drive
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:51:01 GMT

Eric Dittman (dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
> I saw a message posted earlier this week about the Mitsumi CD-ROM drive
> that seems to retail for $199.99 just about everywhere.  Unfortunately,
> the message has expired here before I had a chance to ask the person if
> they would let me know if they were able to find out anything.  Could
> the person that posted the original request let me know if they found
> out how to contact the company?
> 
This is real mass-market stuff.  The drive is available from Software Etc.

Specs look good (350(?)/150) but the interface is proprietary, not SCSI.

It's a sliding drawer type drive similar to the Tandy.  The stores have spec
sheets, even if the hired help doesn't understand what a spec sheet is.

--
||------------------------------------------------------------------------
||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: osuch@acadia.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such)
Subject: Photo CD information (ftp site)
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:23:37 GMT


I'm posting this for Paul McAfee (mcafee@islsun.Kodak.COM) in corporate
communications.  I have ftp'd about 18 press releases about Photo CD
to two ftp sites and will post them on rec.photo and alt.cd-rom as
I have time.

The alt.cd-rom site is:
cdrom.com (192.153.46.254) in /pub/photo_cd

Please do not respond to me for any comments.  They should be directed
to Paul per his previous posting and in the future they will be
directed to two people that work with Paul.  Watch for a posting of
their addresses.

Bill O'Such
Eastman Kodak Company


DISCLAIMER:
Kodak provides me access to this Net, and are not responsible for
my postings.
From: daniel.campbell@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Campbell) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Groliers Software
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: daniel.campbell@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Campbell) 



KW>I bought a copy of "The New Grolier Electronic Encyclopedia" (c) 1991
KW>at a flea market and when I got it home I found that there was no
KW>software to "play" the encyclopedia on the CD.
 
Software Toolworks should provide everything you need, including any 
answers to questions you may have.                                        
          

--- WinQwk 1.30 #177
          
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4609 comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard:4098
From: lfreeman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Leny Freeman)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: NEC CD-ROM and PAS 16
Date: 21 Nov 1992 13:30:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

I am looking to get an internal CD-ROM for my tower pc and have a
ProAudio Spectrum 16 to use as the interface.  The latest review
I can find on CD-ROMs is Oct '91 PC Mag.  In that article it said
that the NEC CDR-73/83 (ext/int) was the fastest drive but said
that it lacked the proper optimization for a smooth flow of data.

Hopefully that problem has been handled now (a year later).  Is
anyone out there using this NEC model and care to give some
feedback?

I'm also looking for good discount sources and lots of bundled
CD-ROM software with the drive.

Thanks in advance.
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4542 alt.binaries.sounds.d:2144
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:07:27 EST
From: <DXR8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.binaries.sounds.d
Subject: Re: Read before buying MediaVision
 <Macbeth.18.722051344@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu>

Mr Macbeth,

Perhaps you did not receive the same package I did.  According to the
documentation that came with mine, the SB portion has a multitude of IRQ
settings.  These settings are changed with the Sound Driver AFTER the PAS
settings.  I bought the "Fusion" package, according to MediaVision BBS, that
does not include the PAS 16, but PAS 16+.  I'm very sorry you don't think I am
a computer technician/programmer, but I sure make good money at it and have
been for many years...

I got off to a bad start with MV, they sold me software that WOULD NOT work
with the hardware that came with it.  Someone pushed that package out the door
KNOWING it was not going to work.  Since the woman at the message center asked
right away what version I had, I can only assume a large quantity went out
that way.

It's also quite possible that the PAS was defective, but I got tired of
waiting for their Tech Support to call back.

BTW: I bought the SoundBlaster Pro Package, received it last night, plugged it
in............ Ha, works GREAT!
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4493 alt.sys.sun:3388
From: ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji")
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.sys.sun
Subject: mode 2 on SUNs
Keywords: SunOS CD
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:12:38 GMT
Organization: Shagaku, WASEDA University, Tokyo
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: aqua11.cfi.waseda.ac.jp


I heard SUNs could not make use of most of the CD ROMs in the market
because they use mode 1 format only. Actually, most popular PCs in Japan
including NEC and Fujitsu have load of CD ROMs but none of them can be
mounted on a SUN. Is there a way to cope with 'CD ROM Extensions'?
Buying a copy of SoftPC any good in solving this problem?

Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji
-- 
				
				ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: blob@gallant.apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: ISO 9660 limitations - what are they?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:25:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

scott@palan.uucp (Scott Boake) writes:

>I'm looking for information reguarding the limitations of ISO 9660 format
>disks.  Like....

>1 - How many levels deep can sub-directorys be?

Eight.

>2 - How many files can reside in one directory?

No limit, but most personal computer operating systems take a *long*
time to open a directory with more than a couple of hundred files.

>3 - How large of a disk is it safe to have pressed?  Talking to various
>vendors, they are able to press different size disks.  One vendor said
>that 680ish Meg on a CD-ROM is not a problem.  I seem to recall hearing that
>problems can start around 650 Meg mark.  Comments?

The method people use for exceeding 660Mb is to run "at the limit" of
ISO 10149 instead of within the norms.  E.g. set  spacing between tracks
so that the minimum is the normal, etc.  On misaligned drives, this
causes read errors.  If you can properly assume that your customers'
drives are well maintained, you can press more data onto a CD.

--Brian Bechtel     blob@apple.com     "My opinion, not Apple's"
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:4644 alt.binaries.sounds.d:2186
From: root@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.binaries.sounds.d
Subject: Re: Read before buying MediaVision
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:46:30 EST
Reply-To: uunorth!cibbs!root
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

trw2352@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.R. Wohlers) writes:

> I also had purchased and tried out a MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum 16.
> 
> I played with the IRQ and DMA and could not get it to work.
> (I had the newest version of the software, 1.3 )  Then I called
> tech support and was also told there was a 24 hour turn around on support
> calls.  The next day I spent 3 hours on the phone (1-800) trying to figure
> it out.  They could not help me and told me to return it saying it was broken
> I believe there may have been some conflicts between the Audio card and my
> video card, but by then I did not want to struggle with it any more.
> 
> When I returned the card to the store I bought it from, the manager told me,
> many people have difficulty installing the card.  I also noticed they no long
> sell it.

Not surprising....if you want a sound card that works when you first install
it buy the ATI Stereo F/X. I have this one and it has worked fine since day
one. When I had a minor glitch with it with one program, I called their tech
support, though the phone line was busy, I got the answer to my question on
the first call. They sent me a new ROM for the card which solved the problem.
Incidently, this new ROM makes the Stereo F/X Sound Blaster 2.0 compatible.
Yes, the ATI Stereo F/X is a Sound blaster clone, but it has some enhancments
of the original sound blaster.

I also recieved some information recently that ATI has just announce the new
ATI Stereo F/X CD. Supposedly, you can plug some kind of CD ROM into it.

If you want more info, I would suggest giving ATI a ring: (416) 756-0711
Mark

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: RLW@SHCC.BITNET
Subject: Re: Read befor buying MediaVision
Reply-To: RLW@SHCC.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:03:00 GMT

Brian,

Sorry to hear of your trying experiences with MediaVision. I think they are
a victim of there own sucess. We have 11 PCs here each with a ProAudio Spectrum
16 installed. They work great and in my opinion have much better sound and
better noise immunity than the SB Pro. We have done some 16-bit 44.1 Khz
audio sampling and the results have been spectacular (even though it eats
up LOTS of memory at that sampling rate).

We have found MediaVision tech support to be like every other company's
tech support line. i.e. call and wait for 20 minutes until someone is free.
I guess that is the legacy of the PC explosion. The only hardware/software
manuafacturer I have come across these days who give good tech support are
those who charge thousands of dollars for their products or charge a fee
for tech support. I never have problems with my mainframe vendors but they
charge two orders of magnitude more for their products.

Rich Watson
Systems Manager,
Research Unit
Shriners Hospital
Portland, Oregon
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom