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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:08:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.203254.2813@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.033924.25567@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>
>|As
>|for the noise, by wearing the helmet you are afforded protection from hearing
>|damage so you don't need to remove it to hear.  
>
>Have you ever ridden without a helmet?  You might be suprised at what your engine
>really sounds like.  Ever have an experienced biker tell you your #3 exhaust valve
>is clattering?  He wasn't wearing a helmet when he heard that.
>
>|Even wearing a helmet I hear 
>|much more of what's going on around me than I ever do in the cage. 
>
>Yup, but not as much as you might, if you didn't have that helmet on.

Actually you might hear more with the helmet on.  Wind noise over
an unprotected ear gets pretty loud at speed.  I suppose it depends
on the shape of the external part (pinna) of your ear- soneone whose
ears were shaped for low wind-noise would probably do better hearing-wise
to leave off the helmet, whereas someone with large sails like Perot
would hear nothing but the wind whistling through his ears (head?).

I can hear cars ok at speed with a helmet on, and I have a noisy helmet.

[lots deleted]

Helmets are a trade-off.  If you understand their drawbacks and
keep them in mind, you can can enjoy the safety and comfort from
their advantages.

Drawbacks:
hear less at low speed
reduced perhipheral vision
weight & heat
possible neck damage in some accidents

Advantages:
hear more at high speed, less hearing damage too
face & eyes protected from flying insects/rocks/etc.
warmer in cold weather
and finally, can save your head and your life if you fall.




--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Squash or slide?
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:25:32 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday November 18 1992 14:03, Andrew Michael Woodward wrote to All:

 AMW> OK folks, so whats the net wisdom (!) here? Do you slide and wear
 AMW> yourself away in a short red stain; or tuck up an roll to avoid the
 AMW> rash, travel further and end up under an oncoming cage as a hedgehog
 AMW> impersonator?

No, I slide and wear away expensive leather outer garments. The tucking and
rolling ocurs of its own accord.

 AMW> For uneducated colonial irrigants, hedgehogs are spiny flat animals
 AMW> whose natural habitat is dark roads.

I never thought of myself as an "irrigant". Perhaps you need to stay in
school a little longer? :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
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ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: R100GS final drive trouble
Reply-To: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:54:41 GMT

John Howard Osborn:
>Friday I went out to run *A VERY IMPORTANT ERRAND*  (heh) and found
>that, once again, the final drive had barfed oil everywhere.  Out
>came the scrubber to get oil off the tire (which is getting replaced
>next week) and then off to Ye Olde Beemer Shoppe.

How are your gearbox seals?  and the seal around the transmission boot?
Maybe pull it off and check for holes.

Check the transmission breather bolt - this is the one that holds the
earth strap to the gear box.  It is supposed to have a hole bored down
its center.  If blocked the transmission seals will begin to leak
faster, which will put extra oil down into the shaft housing, and
if those seals are worn into the final drive and out holes.

Hope you get it sorted out soon,

Doug Rinckes  drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp | My companys opinions are like
TSSC New Zealand    DoD#: 741            | my companys cars - they don't
1976 BMW R100S + 41mm Dell'Ortos         | like me using either of them.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Fastest Bike Known
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:03:59 GMT

tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:

>Buy new or in very good used condition. Bikes wear out a lot faster
>than cars, and a bike (except maybe a Beemer or a Harley) with 30000
>miles on it is usually completely crapped out.

Sigh, you mean my '91 FJ is going to blow up halfway through the next
riding season? 

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:24:08 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>What an interesting situation if the Colorado law had passed; senario:
>"You can't fire me for being a biker because I'm GAY!"

You're right, they can't fire you because you're gay.
They could fire you, however, cause you're a twit.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:10:59 GMT

In article 3330@cs.hw.ac.uk, geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang) writes:
|But why on earth would anyone *NOT* wear a helmet. 

  Something to do with extremely low speeds, and the fact that helmets DO
limit your vision and hearing at those speeds.  Some of us like to avoid an
accident in the first place, ya know.  If I know for sure that I am going to
hit the ground with my head, then yes, I DO want a helmet on!  However, I'd
like to avoid the whole thing altogether.

  Since most places around here require speeds in excess of 40 mph to safely
be part of the traffic, I always wear a helmet.  However, I *know*, from
riding for ten years with and without helmets, that your awareness of your
surroundings at low speeds is greatly increased *without* a helmet.

|If you are not wearing a helemet at all, you
|must really be an complete and utter idiot!

  And you must surely be an idiot for such a sweeping generalizations.
Exhibiting your ignorance, as it were?

| In general I consider
|people riding without a helmet not to be a REAL biker.

  Ooooooo...  That means SO much to us...  You've hurt us to the core..

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: fizzixflamefest (was Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:42:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.020307.19538@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>
>At turn in, the motorcycle rotates about the cg not the contact
>patches.

Yup, that's why it's so much fun to go around the potholes and manhole
covers by twisting the bars the way you want to go (twist bars left,
wheels flop out to the left, wheels go around the pothole, twist right to 
straighten up before you actually start to turn right...)
>
>Winter's approaching, time for the "how does a motorcycle turn" flame
>fest again.

I wouldn't miss it!

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.000830.20013@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>In article <BxzJwI.AB@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>
>No one has said that we riders rely on p-vision as the sole or even primary
>method of information acquisition.  The fact that some hazards approach quickly
>from the side, combined with the obvious advantage of having the widest field
>of view possible (surely you'll not argue that too much vision is bad), is the
>prop used to support the rationalization.

The question is, is the benefit really great enough to offset the risk of not
wearing one? You certainly don't lose any more then you would with the roof
pillars on cars (and I would say a lot less), and we all know that there are
more bike accidents per vehicle than car accidents, so there is not a rash of
accidents due to losing some peripheral vision, so is the extra infomation
worth the risk of having no head protection should you go down? 

Are you more likely to have a healthy life by riding with or without your 
helmet? More specifically, can someone honestly tell me that the vision
blockage due to the eyeport is enough to make him leave his helmet in the 
box? If not, is it proper to convince people that it *is* sound reasoning?

>The bottom line is, imho, that some people will *always* wear a helmet.  Most
>will usually wear one, some occasionally wear one, some seldom wear one, and a
>very few *never* wear one.  Nobody is any "righter" than anyone else.  I'm in

True, but some reasons for doing things are better than others. I don't think 
that the slight loss of preipheral vision is a good reason not to wear a
helmet.

>  Yes, it's safer to wear one.

So the vision thing is not so important after all?

I don't care about helmet laws. I do care about people walking away from 
this group and facing their own decisions about whether to wear helmets. If 
we do think that it's safer to wear one, let's not tell them that it isn't.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:04:09 GMT

In article <BxzExu.I8p@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.165638.8726@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>
>>Try this at home. Go around potholes with your wheels, but straight over them
>>with your body.
>
>so try and answer my question, like why do the wheels stay in contact with the
>ground if the bike rotates about the center of mass?

Sure. Your argument is that the wheels can't have a sideways motion component
because the sticky tires are glued to the ground. Well, you're right, they
don't slide to the side, but they can roll that way (roll right out from
under you) and they do. The reason your student slid was because he initiated
this sideways component too quickly, and the wheels could not roll that way
fast enough (this is just one of many ways of looking at the phenomenon) and
the force was strong enough to break traction. But please, don't take my
word for it, get out on the road and try it (not the sliding part).

I got the cc's from Ed's reply, & CP's reply back, but I thought that I'd
add my two cents anyway.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:07:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.202012.5001@news.columbia.edu>,
scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov22.172930.461@rd.hydro.on.ca>
|> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
|> >What I want to know is, how many people have actually managed to hit
|> the kill
|> >switch during a crash? In my low-speed low-side I wound up standing
|> over the
|> >bike (in recently scratched leathers) still holding the clutch
|> lever, and
|> >the engine was still running! It would have been a pain to get it
|> into neutral
|> >so I just shut it off.
|> 
|> 	My Dad claims to have hit the kill switch as he went down at about
|> 	fifteen miles per... Of course, I assume it's easier at that speed
|> 	than higher speeds (where you don't want anything with the word
|> 	"kill" crossing your mind :-()
|> 

I hit the kill switch once by accident and it took me 20
minutes to figure out why the bike wouldnt start, very
embarrassing and a good "reality" check. :-)

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From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BDIVOs in general
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:25:35 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: dboyd@informix.com's message of 18 Nov 92 23:38:45 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Nov 92 23:38:45 GMT, dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd) said:
Diana> In article <1992Nov17.173848.26320@twg.com> nolan@twg.com (Broderick Crawford)  
Diana> writes:

Nolan> Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw

Diana> What's "woman's work"?

"Never done".
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was: Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:17:18 GMT

In article <92Nov18.153919.18520@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>  The Canadian spec. RZ350 from about 85 on (full fairing) is pretty
>>damn current considering there were no significant design changes made.
>>It produces a claimed 55 HP through different ignition, barrels, and
>>crank than US version. I beleive it weighs in at 380 lbs wet. Shows what
>>a lack of weight can do for a bike. Had Yamaha put a truly sophisticated
>>suspension on it (TZR250,NS400) they'd still be making them today.
>
>They are still making them today...Or at least they are still
>selling brand new ones in Yamaha dealerships in Canada.

Yup, brand new 1990s.

They were not imported in 92. I don't know whether Yamaha stopped making them
or what.

[an RZ drawback is] >really shitty gas mileage.

Mine gets about 5 l/ 100 km. Not great when you consider that it's a 350,
but the 2.5 l in my Oldsmobile gets about 12 l/ 100 km, so it depends on your
perspective. You do get performance, after all.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Blue book value
Keywords: BSA
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:00:54 GMT

alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:

>A co-worker is selling a bike and I'm interested in possibly purchasing it.
>The bike is a '68 BSA Victor Special (441 c.c. OHV single).  Could anyone
>with a NADA give me the blue book on the bike.  If anyone else is interested
>in the bike, I can post a description and pass along offers to the seller.

>Think Peace.
>-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
>KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210

There will be *no* Blue Book value on this bike - There *is* a market value
for this bike - older Brit bikes are increasing in value as collector's items,
The 441 Victor is a torquey monster but didn't do anything special particulary
well. Blue Books usually dates bikes back about 6-8 yrs. Being a Brit bike
fan, yes I'm interested - please send me details/location etc.
Thanks,
S.

-- 
#   Scott Lilliott -- csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897   "Countersteering is like benchracing. A bunch of posers   
#   DoD #0227      standing around the parts counter lying about all the
 #  INOA #8563     great twisties they've steered through."- Bill Ranck DoD 496
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:53:21 GMT

In article <BxzGKM.M2C@unix.amherst.edu> nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (NATHANIEL ROBERT MENDELL) writes:
|
|Some of  you may remember that I am writing a thesis for the History Department
|here at Amherst College on our favorite subject, motorcycles. It looks like
|I'll be comparing the popular conception of bikers with the profile I get
|from this survey.  Your participation is very important, and please send me
|addresses of riders who could fill out the survey but do not have access to the
|network.

Hmmm.  Methinks that if you want a reasonable cross-section of bikers, you have
come to the wrong place.  Most of the moto-geeks, er, I mean, uh, Doomie-Dweebs,
er, uh, most of US here are either computer professionals or students, which
certainly would give a skew to your results.  I suspect your results would also
be suspect due to the fact that you are soliciting for voluntary responses, and
by the very idependent nature of cycling, that may not represent much of
a sample.  Understand?

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:59:31 EST
From: <U2EF5@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Obituary

My heartfelt condoloences.  As an owner of a very sick MC (and looking for
a new one), I know how you feel.  Cheer up, though, this may just hasten
the acquisition of NM.
************************************************************
Gary J. Edwards            |  '82 V45 Sabre
West Virginia University   |
Morgantown, WV             |
U2EF5@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU      |   (304)293-3422 ext. 401
DoD#0615                   |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:46:40 GMT

Roger Collier (rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com) wrote:
: In article 1452@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
: >
: >	While in a Honda Dealership I came across a CBX 6 cylinder MC.
: >What other inline 6's are out there...flying V-6's???
: >
: 
: There was the Benelli SEI (750 or 900cc)    Is Benelli a town in Wales?? :-)
: Laverda made a V6 1000, raced it a bit but never put it into production.
: Honda made a 250cc inline 6 racer in the 1960s
: Moto Guzzi made a V8......
: I'm going to build a bike with a Viper V10 or maybe a Jaguar V12........
: The local aerospace museum has a V2, but that's a German rocket intended for the
: London market only.....
: 
: 
:          #                                           # Let's not talk about
:    _     #     Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM              # love and flowers and
: o_/_\_o  #                                           # things that don't
:  (O_O)   #     Sun Microsystems, Coventry, England.  # explode. I've used up
:   \H/    #     (44) 203 692255                       # all of my magic powers
:    U     #                                           # trying to do it in the
:       DoD#226  GSXR1100L                             # road.
:                Keeper of the GSXR1100 list.
: 


Hey!  I had a Daimler Double-Six, I know just how fu**ing HUGE the Jag V12
engine is!  You'd never get your legs around the bastard!  You'd have to let
them rest on top or summat.  The engine must weigh more than a Kwak13 for a
start.  (You can get twin supercharger kits for them and very high race tuning
preparations also!)  Stock is 295BHP.......!  Also 14MPG!  (in a 2-ton car).

I wish you luck and non-oval wheels!


Nick (the Unbelieving Biker)  MAG 73516   DoD 1069  Jag XJ12 Driver's Handbook


M'Lud
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: MERCEDES MOTORCYCLE????
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:00:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.173321.18408@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>making it Daimler-Benz.  Daimler died in 1900.  Somewhere around 
>1920, Daimler-Benz came out with a new car and decided to name it 
>"Mercedes" after the daughter of Benz (or his son?).
His daugther.

>Anyway, the Mercedes became very popular and since Daimler was
>no longer around to protest, they changed the name of the company.
Wrong.
Mercedes-Benz is a subdivision of Daimler-Benz. Mercedes-Benz makes cars.
Daimler-Benz is the head organisation of Mercedes-Benz, AEG, Aerospace, ....

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
GSXR1100 - RD350LCN - XR250R
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:53:22 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday November 18 1992 14:06, Boyd Roberts wrote to All:

 BR> I know I always wear my Defeat Level IIA Kevlar T-shirt when flying.

I wear Level III to work.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
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John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Another fine product from the DoD
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.140920.2290@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.202739.11617@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>
>>Bonus question for DoD Homebrewers:  Any interest in a limited run of
>>Geeky the Daemon bottle caps?  If yes, any suggestions on manufacturers?
>
>I'd be more interested in this than the coasters. The question is, what kind
>of beer would be appropriate to put underneath them?

Why, Geekybrau, of course!
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.