HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: Better format program
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:20:29 GMT

md@bsc.no (Mark Dapoz) writes:
>Does anyone know if there's available somewhere a format program for SCSI
>disks which is a little more flexible than the one provided by SunOS?  I
>have a rather peculiar SCSI drive that needs to have some unique pages
>set up via the Mode Select command before doing the format.  The SunOS

There is a company that sells a formatting program, but I don't know if it
would allow you to do what you need to do.  They have ads in the Sun rags.

>for such a program would be appreciated.  Alternative if someone could
>provide enough detail on how to talk directly to the scsi device driver

This code uses an ioctl to read block 0 off of a SCSI disk.  You should be
able to use the same ioctl to do the mode selects (I think).  I once read
that the sd driver supports the uscsi.h ioctls, but I've never tried it so
I can't say whether or not it works.  If it does, it would probably be a
better way to go.  Remember, if you are opening an unlabeled or unformatted
device, or in the O_NDELAY flag into the open(), otherwise the open will
fail.

-Jonathan		hue@island.COM

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#include <fcntl.h>
#include <sun/dkio.h>
#include <scsi/generic/commands.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include <stdio.h>

char buf[512];

main()
{
    int fd;
    static struct dk_cmd rcmd =
    {
        SCMD_READ, DK_DIAGNOSE, 0, 0, 0, 0
    };


    if ((fd = open("/dev/rsd3c", O_NDELAY)) < 0)
    {
	perror("open");
	exit(1);
    }
    rcmd.dkc_blkno = 0;
    rcmd.dkc_secnt = 1;
    rcmd.dkc_bufaddr = buf;
    rcmd.dkc_buflen = sizeof(buf);
    if (ioctl(fd, DKIOCSCMD, &rcmd) < 0)
    {
	perror("ioctl");
	exit(2);
    }
    write(fileno(stdout), buf, sizeof(buf));
    exit(0);
}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: 670 vs Sparc-10
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:48:58 GMT

I'd like to hear some opinions on why someone would buy a 670 over
a Sparc-10, apart from the obvious VME bus option of the 670. What
performance advantages/disadvantages would there be when comparing
a similarly configured 670MP, model 41 with a Sparc-10 model-41.
Is one better for timesharing and one better for serving diskless
clients, or are both equivalent? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks.
--
Peter Steele        Unix Services Manager            peter.steele@acadiau.ca 
Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364
From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Thinnet question
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:04:45 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!

I would like to stretch my thinnet out to a bit more than 600 feet, and
would like to know which would work best from a price/performance
standpoint.

Option 1:
	Add a second ethernet Sbus card to our Sparc 2 server, and split
	the thinnet up into two segments of a little over 300 feet.

Option 2:
	Add on to the end of the thinnet a converter to thick or 10BaseT
	and keep going.

Option 3:
	Put a small thick or 10BaseT segment in the middle of the net
	to connect two thinnet segments.

I'm inclined to go with option 1, as it will cost us $331.
Thanks
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Newsgroups: com.dsp,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Looking for data acquisition board for SUN
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:56:01 GMT
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group

In <1992Jul23.191701.23950@news2.cis.umn.edu> parrish@sparky.drad.umn.edu (Todd B. Parrish) writes:

>Greetings:
>	I'm looking for a data acquisition board that can 
>acquire an EKG signal and do some real time  analysis.
>After doing the analysis, I would like to put out a square pulse.

>From the past I can remember a few company names but not the numbers.
>Does anybody know the telephone numbers of the following companies?

>DataCube in Mass.
>or
>Imaging Technology in Cal. 

>thanks
>Todd
 I have a brochure for a pretty good <looking> board for Sun (on paper, at
 least).

 Both AtoD and DtoA boards are offered, woth OpnLook software and drivers.

14bit, 16 channel AtoD and 18bit 4 Channel DtoA card at 166kHz
(other boards offered with only AtoD or only DtoA)

Analyx Systems Inc.
Fremont CA USA
+1-510-656-8017 (Tel)
+1-510-657-0927 (Fax)


Disclaimer: I haven't seen or touched the product, and do not sell it.

F  U  L  C  R  U  M                                                     ()
__________________________________________________________________________
                           Paul Rosham                                /\
                        Senior Consultant                             ""
The Fulcrum Consulting Group,
611 Brunswick St,                                Telephone: +61-3-481-6188
North Fitzroy VIC 3068, Australia                      Fax: +61-3-482-4161
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: carlo@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Carlo L. M. Tiana)
Subject:  Looking for High Quality (600dpi) laser printer recommendations
Keywords: 600dpi, Ethernet, Postscript level 2
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:44:40 GMT

Hi.
I wonder if anyone knows of printers that satisfy (ideally all, but it's
not a perfect world!) the following requirements:

- 600 dpi
- Postscript level 2
- >=8 pages per minute (ppm) - 16 ppm preferred
- expandable to lots of memory (32Mb?)
- Ethernet and serial/Appletalk ports, with autoswitching (autosensing?
  whatever it's called these days - namely the ability to be plugged in to
  both a serial and Ethernet network and to decide on which port stuff is
  coming in and deal with it).
- <= $10000.-

If you know about such a device, can you give impressions on the
reliability (indeed, availability!) of software that allows submission of
print jobs from Ethernet and from Appletalk (Macs)? This printer
would be used by both platforms.

All information on printers that satisfy most of these requirements would
be greatly appreciated - especially if sent by email! :-) I will post a
summary of replies.

Thank you very much in advance,
Carlo.


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From: jackv@orpheus.Corp.Sun.COM (Jack F. Vogel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: sun-4/600 systems and xd/xt device drivers
Date: 22 Jul 1992 10:55:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: orpheus.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Jul21.013853.4236@walter.bellcore.com> dan@breeze.bellcore.com (Daniel Strick) writes:
 
|    I have noticed a sometimes painful bug in the SunOS 4.1.2 kernel for the
|    sun4m architecture machines.  If during autoconfiguration a device driver
|    probe routine poke()s a VME address for which no VME widget responds, then
|    the kernel will go belly up when it later tries to start the rest of the
|    processors.  I have not attempted to determine why this happens.
 
This problem is fixed with patch 100542-04. Same thing for Sbus probes.
Go Wild!!

Cheers,

--
Jack F. Vogel		  Sun Microsystems Inc.			jackv@Sun.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: tanm@seneca.bst.rochester.edu (Martin Tanner)
Subject: IPX question
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:52:53 GMT

I noticed in one of the SUN IPX brochures that the IPX "allows
up to three monitors per system".  Has anyone tried running
two monitors off of one IPX?  How well does it work?  What is
the maximum cable length that one can run from the shoebox to the
monitor?  Would multiple windows on each of two monitors seriously
affect system performance?  Is the multiple monitor feature available
on the sparc1+ or sparc2? 

Thanks
Martin

p.s. please respond to me at tanm@seneca.bst.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.managers
From: jhall@nmsu.edu (HALL)
Subject: IPC Problems
Organization: New Mexico State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:18:11 GMT

Hello, I have two problems that I need help with.

First I am getting a 1.3 or 1.6 gig disk for my IPC.  I have read about
the need for patches for this on the older machines.  I am using 4.1.1
but will be going to 4.1.2 soon.  PLease tell me what I will need to 
get this disk going.

Second, I am getting a sparc printer for the IPC.  I only have one sbus
slot available.  I also need to get on a local network which is a
token ring network.  All I have seen for this is a SBus card.  With the
printer however I am out of sbus slots.  Are there any other solutions
to hooking up the printer or to the token ring.  Both of these have to
hook to this machine.  Please help.......

thanks...
jhall@nmsu.edu

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From: zacca@en.ecn.purdue.edu (The Grand Pooh-Bah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Help with 3/80 and external shoebox.
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:05:56 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I have a few questions about suns,  I just obtained a sun 3/80 and I am
connecting a shoebox from a 3/50 to it.  First I got the cable with the
SCSI I to SCSI II ends and I have been told this will work.  I have an
internal HD in my 3/80.  To access this drive I obtained a SCSI terminator.
When I attempt to boot off the internal SCSI (b sd(0,0,0)  is says booting but
then just hangs.  I connected my shoebox to it and it did the same thing, I 
even thought that the two drives might be conflicting and removed the internal
and tried to just boot off the shoebox.  When I tried this I got a bus error 
after some amount of time.  One of my questions, besides how
to fix what is going on here, is how do you change the device number of the
shoebox drive, since they both might be (0,0,0), and do you know of a what to
find out what device a drive is.  I understand that there is suppose to be a
switch or counter on the shoebox where the device number can be adjusted.  I
cannot find any such things and do not have a clue how to change the device.
I cannot access my internal HD and would like to know how.  I have also heard
that the bus may be internally mapped to the internal drive and the drive might
not have the OS on it.  If this is the case, how can I fix it so I can boot
off the shoebox.  Any help will be appreciated.

-- 
				 			Zac
                                                The Grand Pooh-Bah 

Pooh-Bah: n. A pompous, ostentaious official; especially, one who, holding
	     many offices, fulfills none of them.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mjacob@kpc.COM (Matt Jacob)
Subject: Re: QIC-XX tape question
Reply-To: mjacob@kpc.COM (Matt Jacob)
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:36:23 GMT

Jim Muth writes:
|> So THAT's what the 150 MB Archive does when I feed it a DC600A...I've always
|> wondered.  Question is, is it safe to cram 15 tracks onto a DC600A?


As far as I know.

Ian Dickinson writes:

!> How come SGI get their QIC-150 drive to write QIC-24 as well?

I dunno. I've never played with an SGI box.
From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Format info needed for Quantum 425F
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:10:00 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I hate to ask this, but since Quantum has disconnected all the phone neumbers 
I have for them I am stuck.

I need any info on the Quantum 425F SCSI drive. If you don't have a format,dat 
entry for it any specifications would help. Even info for a 425S would 
proibably be a good start.

-cornhead
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: QIC-XX tape question
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 07:05:21 GMT

In <9m4mbxdj@csv.warwick.ac.uk> cudep@warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) writes:
| In article <1992Jul21.023909.6655@kpc.com> mjacob@kpc.COM (Matt Jacob) writes:
| >|>     Does anyone know whether a QIC-150 drive can be forced to write in 
| >|> QIC-24 format?
| >No. Be glad it even *reads* QIC-24 or 9trk QIC-11.
| 
| I am.
| 
| How come SGI get their QIC-150 drive to write QIC-24 as well?
| (Or is this an exaggerated rumour?)

It is definitely an exaggerated rumor.  I have never seen a QIC-150
drive that can *write* (as opposed to read) QIC-24.  Track width
differences are just too great.  SGI does sell the 2060S as well
as the 2150S, and the 2060S is a QIC-24 drive; perhaps that is
where the confusion arose?

Most of the future QIC drives (525, 1000, 1350, 2100) are still
spec'ed to read back to QIC-24, and to write back to QIC-150
(maybe QIC-120 even), but none I've heard about will write
QIC-24 format.

As somebody else noted, 600A tapes can be written on most brands
of QIC-150 drives, but they are written in QIC-120 format, not
QIC-24.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: Focusing a Sun Hitachi monitor?
Keywords: monitor, hitachi
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:29:19 GMT

There are a number of internal adjustments on the Hitachi 19"
monitor.  Most notably, the focus pot in the high voltage section.
It is best not to tinkeer unless you have requisite experience.  I
found that my 19" monitor worked a lot better after I cleaned all
the HV wiring with isopropyl alcohol.  This is risky becasue you
could zap yourself if you don't discharge the CRT properly.  One
should not just ground out the anode lead to the CRT becuse the
charge dump can kill other components in the HV system; one should
use a bleeder resistor.  The CRT is coated with anti-corona paint
where the anode lead attaches.  Disconnecting the lead may reduce
the anti-cornoa integrity.  Again, refer service to qualified
persons.  At least you should now have a few ideas of what to ask
to have done, if you don't make your own repairs.


-- 
Bill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu   (140.220.1.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: valdes@geosun.uchicago.edu (John Valdes)
Subject: Focusing a Sun Hitachi monitor?
Keywords: monitor, hitachi
Organization: Department of the Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:41:12 GMT

We have a Sun 19" color monitor made by Hitachi, model HM-4119-S-AA-0
which has poor focus compared to another identical monitor.  I have to
really strain my eyes in order to read small fonts on the screen.  Does
anyone know how to improve the focus of these monitors (other than
replacing it with a Trinitron...)?

John Valdes
valdes@geosun.uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: khwx386@infoac.rmi.de (Welter)
Subject: FOR SALE: orig. SUN GS (24-bit) for sale, incl. Warranty !!!
Summary: Graphics adapters GS for sale
Keywords: GS SUN
Organization: RMI Net INFO.box Systems * Aachen * Hamburg * Flensburg
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:54:59 GMT

Hi, guys !

We have a small qty. of original SUN GS Graphics adapters for sale. All are 
refurbished with 90 day warranty and available in short. The price is 

				$ 3.000,--

If anybody's interested - react fast. Our last stock was sold out very quick.

PLEASE: no follow up's --- mail to peka@khwpeka.rmi.de (allways on my desk ...)

(we're located in germany but shipment is done out of US via FEDEX)
-- 
Karl-Heinz Welter                                   PEKA GmbH, Germany
khwx386@infoac.rmi.de                            Phone: +49-241-876406
(or: peka@khwpeka.rmi.de)                          FAX: +49-241-876741
----------------------------> just mail it <--------------------------
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Macintosh HD on Sun
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:38:36 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC


	Has anyone try putting an Macintosh scsi disk drive on a Sun?
Is the scsi interface pin out the same other then converting from
a micro-mini scsi to a normal scsi?  We have few hundred mag of
spare Mac disk and an IPC is coming in with a sore need for disk space.

-Anthony
From: mikem@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Networking recommendation
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:04:54 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul22.182937.643@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>In article <55590004@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> aliamus@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Steve Aliamus) writes:
>>I'm posting for a friend who doesn't have net-access...
>>
>>     I've got two Sun 3/80s that I'd like to network together.  What's a
>>     good (read cheap) method?
>
>Join them with a piece of thinwire and terminators at each end. Might cost
>$25 or so (two terminators, two T-connectors, n feet of coax).
>-- 
>Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
>Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu


BZZZT.

3/80s don't have internal transceivers, and there's no way to just take
the 15-pin ethernet ports of the 3/80s and wire them together.  (Are there
any electronics wizards out there who'd like to say otherwise?  Maybe it's
possible if you only have TWO workstations?)

Clearly, Steve Aliamus wants to avoid spending the $60-$70 or so each for
a pair of ethernet transceivers, or else find a source for the cheapest
possible transceivers.

Steve: you're probably going to have to fork over the $$$ for a couple of
15-pin to coax transceivers.  Most companies, as they upgrade their networks,
are going from older v-tap transceivers to central twisted-pair hubs, so
there ought to be a growing supply of junked transceivers...the trick is
finding 'em.  If you have connections with anyone who works for a company
that does mega networking, you might be able to scrounge a couple of old
vampire tap transceivers and a hunk of RG-8 (thick) coax cable, stick on a
couple of terminators, run 2 lengths of transceiver cable into the 3/80s
and you'd be in business.  

I saw an ad from Allied Telesis for $69.95 for a slim-line 15-pin to BNC
(thin net) transceiver.  There are probably others, I just happened to flip
to that one on a cursory glance through SunWorld.  You can call Allied at
800-424-4284.  Two transceivers, plus the afore-described collection of
thinwire, T connectors and terminators would put you in business for $165.

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Network Engineer - MIT Lincoln Laboratory - Computer Telecommunications Systems
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            "I don't want the whole world; I just want your half."
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From: aliamus@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Steve Aliamus)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:50:26 GMT
Subject: Networking recommendation
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware

I'm posting for a friend who doesn't have net-access...

     I've got two Sun 3/80s that I'd like to network together.  What's a
     good (read cheap) method?
From: jin@spdcc.com (Jerry Natowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.managers
Subject: Re: IPC Problems
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:19:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul25.141938.8268
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I was running 4.1.1 with a 1.2 GB disk quite nicely until we tryed to do a
backup over the net on it.  BOOM.  The patch  took care of that, as did 4.1.2
I don't know what other problems may be associated with large disks on un-patched
4.1.1 systems.
-- 
     Jerry Natowitz
     Guest user on:
ARPA jin@ursa-major.spdcc.com
UUCP {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!jin
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 14:33:17 TUR
From: Asuman Dogac <ASUMAN@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: HYUNDAI SS10 clone

Any info on SAMPO  9040 clone ? Any compatibility problems or
performance issues ?
We would appreciate any info on other clones too.
We will post the results
Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: SCSI hard drive failure with Sun 4/330
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:30:25 GMT

Today, our Sun started reporting hard media errors for a single sector
on the root partition.  I had to shut down ungracefully, and after
rebooting, the startup fsck failed, leaving the system semi-functional
with / mounted read-only.  I managed to lock things up a second time,
and after restarting again, the system refused to boot at all.  The
monitor prints the following error messages:

boot sd:(0,18,0)

sd: sense key = 0  error = 0
sd: sense key = 0  error = 0
sd: sense key = 0  error = 0
...

Is there anything left for me to try before placing a call to Sun?

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: valdes@geosun.uchicago.edu (John Valdes)
Subject: SUMMARY: Focusing a Sun Hitachi monitor
Summary: Focusing a Sun Hitachi montinor?
Keywords: monitor, hitachi
Organization: Department of the Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:34:50 GMT

Adjusting the focus pot on the HV tranformer (plus a slight tweek to the
screen pot) has dramatically increased the readibility of the monitor.
However, I must echo the comments made here and which I received.  Because
of the high voltages present in the monitor, don't fiddle with it unless
you know exactly what your doing!

Thanks to those who responded.

John Valdes
valdes@geosun.uchicago.edu
From: bied@ubik.ki.open.de (Default Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: WANTED HELP MY SUN IS DEAD
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:34:05 GMT
Organization: private uucp site

My sun 3/260 is still dead. The system is doing very less.
Only some cpu cycles then nothing. All leds on the backside red.
I looked on the board but lotof parts and no documentation.

need help. 
Thanks for advice

Bernd

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From: shj@ultra.com (Steve Jay {Ultra Unix SW Mgr})
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Attaching shoebox to an ELC
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:51:34 GMT
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In <1992Jul30.165038.20693@toontown.uucp> ucda@toontown.uucp
(Chris Andersen) writes:

>Does anyone have any suggestions what I should do?  Can a 3/50 shoebox be
>used on an ELC?  Is there something special that needs to be twiddled to make
>it recognize the disk?

I've plugged a Sun 514A shoebox (140 MB disk, 60 MB 1/4" tape) directly
into an ELC, and had it work flawlessly, including booting from the disk. 
I don't know why it wouldn't work for you.

Steve Jay
shj@ultra.com  ...ames!ultra!shj
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Dagget Drive / San Jose, CA 95134 / USA
(408) 922-0100 x130	"Home of the 1 Gigabit/Second network"
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