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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:37:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Bxv6xA.s3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:














>>>let's see how about the regulars - Jeremy Brett, Jack Nicholson, Michael 
>>>Keaton (NOT!), Mike Meyers (Excellent!), John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, 
>>>Denholm Elliot, Rowan Atkinson (who would name their child Rowan?), Hugh 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> 
> ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE SUGGESTED ARE AMERICAN.
> SORRY, BUT THE DOCTOR IS A BRIT, BE IT BY TRADITION OR JUST PLAIN ACTING
> ABILITY.
> THE CASTING OF AN AMERICAN TO THE ROLE IS THE CLOSEST THING TO HERESY...BEWARE
> THE ODD FLASH OF LIGHTNING!!!
> (next youll be suggesting SLy stallone, Costner or Arnie..jeez!)

>>-- 
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>>       Assistant Sysop, Cleveland & Medina County Free-net's
>>                  Science Fiction and Fantasy Sig

Not the majority.  Jeremy Brett, Rowan Atkinson, and most of the cut-off
names are Brits (or close enough).  Also, although I agree that a Brit would
be preferable, I really can't think of any reason why it should be a
requirement.  After all, the Doctor *is* Gallifreyan.  If he can have an
accent like Sylvester McCoy's, why can't he have an American accent?

Oh, and one more thing...if anyone *does* suggest Stallone, Costner (WORST
ACTOR ON THE PLANET), or Ah-nold, they will be net-shot out of hand.
-- 

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From: rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Everett Brunskill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: who'd make a goo who?
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:50:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Daniel Bishop wrote:

>-> I liked Colin Baker's costume!
 
>teacher, learner, journeyman :-/,  etc.). I can't see how CB fits in
>there. At least, not with the costume aspect. CB looked like he wanted
>to run away with the circus. There are now too many adults fans that
>wouldn't go (or went) along with that concept.

Ah, but remember that the Doctor's personality changes with his
regenerations as well.  I thought CB's costume complemented his
portrayal quite well.  I also liked the twist.  You never quite knew
what he was going to do.  It was a nice break from predictability.  I
think his 'incarnation' also demonstrates one of the flaws in
regeneration - when you regenerate both looks and personality you never
quite know what you're going to get.  All in all I liked it.  But then,
I think I'd probably like all the Doctors.

Rob
Any one have any tips for running the Dr. RPG from FASA?
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Summaries of missing episodes
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:07:40 GMT

Anyone want to volunteer to split some work that involves making fairly short
summaries of missing episodes? I want to do this for myself and am willing to
share what I do with others who are interested. Considering the total lack of
interest in the huge Shada post I made, I will not post what I put together
unless some people show some interest (and I also won't be in any hurry to do
it in that case). Note I only want to do what does not exist on video. If
someone wants to do more, be my guest. Here's what I'd like to see done and
what I can probably do:

Marco Polo: I read the book quite a while back and can summarize
The Reign of Terror #4,5
The Crusade #1,2,4
Galaxy Four
Mission to the Unknown: I have the audio. I will do this one first.
The Myth Makers: I read the book quite a while back and can summarize
The Daleks' Masterplan #1-4,6-9,11,12: I've read part 1 of the 2 part novel
The Massacre
The Celestial Toymaker #1-3
The Savages: I may get the photonovel soon, so maybe...
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet #4: someone is summarizing the whole story and posting already
The Power of the Daleks: I have the photonovel and would like to do this one
The Highlanders: I may get the photonovel some day (it's 4 issues of DWB!)
The Underwater Menace #1,2,4
The Moonbase #1,3: I have the photonovel and will do this after Mission'
The Macra Terror: I'll be getting the audio production or photonovel soon...
The Faceless Ones #2,4-6
The Evil of the Daleks: I'll be getting the audio production soon...
The Abominable Snowmen #1,3-6
The Ice Warriors #2,3
The Enemy of the World #1-2,4-6
The Web of Fear #2-6
Fury From the Deep
The Wheel in Space #1,2,4,5
The Invasion #1,4
The Space Pirates #1,3-6
The Nightmare Fair
The Ultimate Evil
Mission to Magnus

As you can see it's quite a list. I have novels to many of these and there are
novels for almost all of these, but that's a lot of reading (and I don't have
the time at the slow pace I read). What I'd like to do is put together a
20-line summary for each EPISODE (thus, a 6-ep story would have 6 20-line
summaries). It's not always easy to figure out which novel chapters go with
which (non-existing) video episode, so it's not a requirement. Just as long as
all of the "crucial" info is obtained. If it's all done, it would make a really
handy guide for piecing together what happens between existing episodes.

Any takers?

Tom
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: PLanet of the Daleks
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:44:19 GMT

otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein) wrote:
>This weekend I just saw Planet of he Daleks and I was wondering what the
>details are about the "missing" episode in this story.

#3 is not missing. It is B&W and is not shown as part of the movie version.
Some places that show episode format MAY show it (I don't know that). Part
of #4 is edited out to because it follows from #3. Basically, the episode
revolves around the Doctor's escape from the Daleks. If you'll remember that
he is captured and then somehow miraculously is out when he runs into Jo.
I'd have to go back and check for other things, but most of it concerns the
escape. The Doctor and several Thals go up a shaft using a (LAME) balloon
concept (some material held by the corners). A Dalek pursues but is destroyed
when the crew drops a large boulder on it. It's pretty long and drawn out, so
I don't think much else happens.

I'm also fairly certain that someone said that this episode and #1 of Invasion
of the Dinos CANNOT be colorized as the others have been because NO color
copy exists at all. It CAN be colorized, but it would require techniques like
those used in movies Ted Turner shows on TBS/TNT. I wouldn't care if it did
look bad. As Skip Caray (a baseball announcer) says "If the color bothers you,
adjust your set so that the picture is black and white."

Tom
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From: psrought@eos.ncsu.edu (PATRICK SCOTT ROUGHTON)
Subject:  WANTED: Tom Baker Gif
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:22:04 GMT

Hi Gang!

	A while back, someone posted two gifs from Doctor Who: Sylvester McCoy
as Dr#7 and Tom Baker as Dr#4.  They were both in color and very good. I have
the one of Sylvester McCoy. Could whoever posted them or whoever has them
please repost the one of Tom Baker, even if it is corrupt or not. Thanx in
advance.

Scott R.


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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Middle-class whovians - and non-middle class
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:47:49 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <17043@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> 
>>>Well, I'd say that for most of the American viewers of the show,
>>>working-class Perivale is almost as alien as Traken. 

> Just that, for most comfortable suburban viewers of the show (I remember
> reading that most American Whovians are middle- or upper-class -- the
> kind with disposable income, that's why PBS loves us so much), life on
> the lower end of the economic spectrum (like in Perivale, which isn't
> a slum by any means, but not Beverly Hills either) is almost as much of
> a stretch to empathize with as a pseudo-Elizabethan fantasy world.
> 
> Most of us have only experienced either of them through TV, or through
> the (rolled-up) windows of our cars as we drive through the inner cities.

Gosh, I guess I have been lucky then.  I am currently middle class, but I 
grew up in a non middle class neighborhood, went to an inner city school 
(more grafitti than textbooks), had friends and relatives involved in 
drug and alchohol abuse and crime, and spent many a summer night out until 
midnight just messing around with the other kids in the neighborhood - and 
that was before I was 12.  So there are some of us who come from a 
non-Steven Spielberg background.  I believe you when you say that most 
Whovians are middle class, and in the US, that also seems to include a 
racial barrier.  I have seen only a handful of people at Who-conventions 
who were not of European descent.  Why?  Very few role models on the show?  
Hard to say, but a rather interesting question nonetheless.

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan

My brother sat next to Prince in high school (alphabetic seating).
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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22: 08:38 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:05:30 GMT

In article <Bxv6xA.s3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> stevens jason,
jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE SUGGESTED ARE
AMERICAN.
> SORRY, BUT THE DOCTOR IS A BRIT, BE IT BY TRADITION OR JUST PLAIN ACTING
> ABILITY.
> THE CASTING OF AN AMERICAN TO THE ROLE IS THE CLOSEST THING TO
HERESY...BEWARE
> THE ODD FLASH OF LIGHTNING!!!

Yeah yeah. And Peri is such a convincing American. What's the difference?
Would the doctor approve of such silly national distinctions? Frankly,
I'd like to see him played by James Earl Jones.
From: jd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr Who On BBC2 This Morning
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:38:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1992Nov18.122917.7291@cs.nott.ac.uk>, epc@cs.nott.ac.uk (Elvis Presley's Corpse) writes:
> I flicked on to BBC2 this morning and found the Doctor (Sylvester
> McCoy), Ace and K9 on a program called Thinkabout Science.  If you
> didn't see it you didn't miss anything; it's just a children's
> educational program.  The bit I saw had the Doctor asking K9, "What's
> red, orange, yellow, blue and white?" or something like that.
> 
> Did anyone else see this?  Are they on this regularly or was it a one
> off appearance?
> 

This programme was made a few years ago, and has already been shown several times. 
From what I remember the K9 featured in the programme was made specially, and it was
coloured green !

- Jon
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From: goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: What's a Doctor Who ?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:47:24 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lynx.larc.nasa.gov


Greetings,

	I'm completely new to Dr. Who and have just begun to watch
it on the SciFi channel. Could anyone give me the short summary of
who/what Dr. Who is, what a 'Dalek' is, etc. so I can get my bearings
straight and appreciate the discussion threads going on ? Thanx...

...mike
From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:08:47 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

walsh@via.enet.dec.com writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.042404.20655@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>>>>There's at least one episode contradicting this... in _Castrovalva_, the
>>>>Master sends the TARDIS back to "Event One, the hydrogen inrush", i.e.,
>>>>the Big Bang, the start of time.  I would assume, if this is the start
>>>>of the universe, that it is before the Gallifreyans/Time Lords [no, I'm
>>
>>This is a common error. The event one described in Castrovalva was not the
>>Big Bang. It was the creation of the Galaxy from a Hydrogen inrush (well
>>this is a novel approach to galatic astrophysics). There is a big difference
>>between the Big Bang and this event of Galaxy formation.

>When was this said in the story?  Didn't Nyssa say that they were "headed for
>the biggest explosion in history"?

 Yes, Nyssa did say that but she DID say the creation of the "GALAXY". This is
probably just a mistake by Christopher H. Bidmead because many people get their
galaxies/universes mixed up. I've always assumed that they were headed for the
Big Bang going by the line quoted above, and regarded the "GALAXY" quote as
the mistake. (Event One does seem to imply the first ever event doesn't it?)

Gareth
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary!
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:28:35 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

-
-
-
- November the 23rd has come to England, and thus I wish everyone a happy
- Doctor Who 29th Anniversary!
-
- Yes, it is a holiday, and like all holidays there are rites to observe...
- if you can..
- a) watch "An Unearthly Child" sometime today (episode one at least)
- b) tell someone who doesn't know what today is what today is
- c) choose one of the Anniversary specials and perhaps watch that
- d) Abstain from all food except for jelly babies, celery, and tea
- e) Post a happy anniversary message to the net yourself.
-
- that's all I can think of.
-
- Once again, Happy 29th!
-
-
- With a hat tipped in farewell,
- Steven.K.Manfred


This time, it's MY turn to COATTAIL.  Haapy Anniversary Doctor Who, from me as
well.

Idea to toss up:  We all want Dcotor Who in competent hands, I presume, back on
the air immediately, I hope.  Suggestion: Take it out of the hands of Jonathan
Powell and into the hands of either BBC2 (minority interest BBC) or ITN.
We COULD get quality results.  Speculation on my behalf.

BTW, Sarah Menolly should be coming out with the results on the vote, so
hopefully all goes well, in that department.

Somethings to consider, and if soc.culture.british are still at it with jelly
babies, I will be happy to cros-post and tell them NOT to forget us.

Again, Happy Anniversary Doctor Who.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:21:05 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov16.105255.1384@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1gs@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 	With reference to all the names who've been put forward
> 	regarding who'd make a goo Dr Who... 

If you want a really gooey Dr Who, I would recommend the Pillsbury 
dough-boy, but he might have a binding contract.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.

Actually I am not sorry I said it, but to answer your intended question, at 
least what I think your intended question was, who'd make a good Doctor - 
let's see how about the regulars - Jeremy Brett, Jack Nicholson, Michael 
Keaton (NOT!), Mike Meyers (Excellent!), John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, 
Denholm Elliot, Rowan Atkinson (who would name their child Rowan?), Hugh 
Laurie, Stephen Fry, Craig Charles (smegging good choice)........

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

But then, who would name their kid Siobahn?
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: the doctor is...
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:23:26 EST

In Trial of a TIme Lord, the Doctor says the Time Lords are the oldest
civilization in the universe....that they have had tens of millions of
years of absolute power.
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:21:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.183320.10554@lsa.umich.edu>, kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch) writes:
|> 
|> As for DW being played by a woman, I think that raises some interesting 
|> possibilities, but if a Gallifrian could regenerate in the opposite sex, why
|> would they have the terms "time-lord/time-lady?"   This terminology may all be
|> the fault of some 1960's writer for the BBC, but let's ignore that, let's
|> suppose that some semblance of an identity remains after each regeneration
|> (although even this idea seems to generate a lot of talk on this network).
|> This is not to say that one's identity is determined by one's sex, it just
|> seems that (at least genetically/biologocially if not sociologically) sex is
|> determined by one's identity.  Does that make any sense at all?  Does the
|> same connection between sex and identity hold for humans?  Now there's a 
|> potentially hot question for you.

We've gone through this before, with varying levels of annoyance. Soo, I'm 
just gonna chuck in my quick two cents...

NO!

I don't feel that the Doctor could be played by a woman. I just feel that a
Time Lord (or Time Lady, the two not overlapping...) cannot regenerate to a
member of the opposite sex. It doesn't seem that the series implied this in 
any way, and would cause great problems for some of the existing storylines.
There seems to be some sort of martial institution on Gallifrey, and some 
concept of love between the opposite sex. Imagine if Leela woke up one day to
find that her husband is now a woman! Or if Susan's husband (I forget both of
the guys' names...) discovered that she's suddenly become a man! It would be
too weird to contemplate. It's all well and good justifying everything by 
saying that the Doctor's an alien, but certain steps have to be taken to keep
him semi-human, and in some way identifiable with the viewing public.

Don't take this as a sexist remark in any way. I'm all for a female lead in the
show - I think it could only broaden the scope and interest of the greatest 
show in the galaxy. (Sorry.) However, I think there's a better way to do it 
than having the Doctor regenrate into a woman.

|> p. de terre

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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary!
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:15:10 GMT

In <1eqpknINNffu@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:

>	It was 29 years ago today...

And who knows what will have happened another 29 years down the line?
Point to ponder...

Anyway, happy anniversary, Doctor.
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From: c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble)
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:43:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.212603.2978@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> Again...I don't care.  Romana and Leela had it all over this pouting,
> sullen, thoroughly irritating little brat.  Dysfunctional family or no,
> screaming or no, she was just an abrasive character.

I didn't find her abrasive and I'd be glad to know someone like Ace. She
wouldn't be totally easy to get along with, but that's part of the fun, isn't
it?

>>5. "She became a major theme in the stories, rather than just a bystander"
>>Well, I can applaud this.  I am one of those strange people who puts season 
>>26 at the top of my list.  I like the idea of someone other than the Doctor 
>>being an integral part of the stories - Ace's hangups, past, and talents 
>>were the centerpoint of some of the stories, and I applaud that leap by the 
>>writers/producers.  Did it kill the show?  I doubt it, the BBC wanted to 
>>kill it, and the character of Ace, Cartmel (script editor), McCoy's Doctor 
>>and JNT were of secondary importance in the end.
> 
> This might have been nice if (a) she were charming enough for us to care
> about her hangups, and (b) these hangups were resolved.  As far as I can
> tell, her major step forward was losing her fear of water.  That's character
> development?
> 
I found her charming enough and I cared about her hangups. And the fact that
not all her hangups were resolved, that's life.

> And may I point out that a million points of logic will not help me like
> Ace.

You don't have to. But some of us do. I even like Adric.

 
Edward
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:25:27 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

	It was 29 years ago today...

	And how about a celebratory 'The Romans ep.1' on UK Gold?
						Jonathan Morris
From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr. Who in DC????
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:43:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cas.1992Nov16.014332.15199
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.

In article <BxMH4z.MEE@visix.com>, gray@visix.com (Gray Jones) writes:
|> 
|> Anybody know which channels in the DC area (if any) run Dr. Who episiodes?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> --gray

MPT (Maryland Public TV) is currently near the end of Jon Pertwee's reign
(third Doctor).
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