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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:21:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
>Message-ID: <63620080@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
>
>[...]
>
>There are also the traditional goodies, like carrots and such.  I'm
>a fruit junkie; when I'm hungry and in the mood for refrigerator
>raiding, the apples will go first.  [Yes, it took a lot of behavior
>modification/brainwashing to get to that point.]
>
>Congratulations on your loss, and may it stay lost!
>
>Pete Brooks
>
>
This made me think of how I've been snacking lately.  I normally
I would be going for those little Snickers and Three Musketeers
(Halloween leftovers), but lately I've been chowing on the
tangerines (YUM), bananas, and Granny Smith's!  In fact, the
candy even seems *yucky*.  That's really hard to believe!  I wish
I always felt this way, but unfortunately, I think it's just
the pregnancy.  (Maybe I'll be lucky and feel this way forever! :))
It just seems like I'm at the grocery store every few days loading
up on more fruit!
TAMARA
From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:13:04 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <By17x8.LA7@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>In article <9983@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>> A whole cheescake
>>would last longer on the surface of the sun than in my refrigerator...
>>-- 
>
>
>Thanks for the laugh, John! This really got to me.
>
>
>

YOu and me, both, Jessica! I needed that on a Friday afternoon, believe me!

Linda
-- 


Linda Competillo
Publications Assistant
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: I need HELP!!! (bingeing)
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:08:32 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <97872@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>I finally realized how ridiculous this was; if I was going to eat this
>stuff anyway, I might as well have it at home and stop playing games with
>myself.  So I gradually stocked my house with stuff I'd never allowed in
>before.  Initially, I ate lots of it and gained weight.  But you know
>what?  I don't do that anymore.  The stuff just sits around most of the
>time, and I find I'm making healthier choices more often than not.  I know
>if I want it, I can have it; I just don't want it most of the time anymore.  

Hey, if it works for you.  I have no trust in the "eat what you want when
you want it, think healthy thoughts, don't deprive yourself and everything
will be OK" diet plan, because that's what got me posting here.  I won't
ever not want it if it's too available.  Most of the things I don't allow
myself in the house (e.g., peanut butter, cookies, whole milk, Haagen-Dasz)
I'm not going to encounter outside the house in quite the same way.  All of
these were great late night (or other time) snack foods, and what made them so
nasty was that they were at hand, easy to snack on with little preparation, and
were refilled more often than not.  Plus, they were terribly calorie-dense.

Skim milk, fruit, lowfat yogurt, cottage cheese, beans, etc. just don't have
the same reward value.  While I enjoy them as part of my daily diet, I'm
not inclined to drool over them or overindulge.  And, I find that it's easy
for me to avoid snack foods outside the house.  In general if they're not
easily at hand, I have no trouble avoiding them.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: please think before you diet..
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:12:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: awinters@hamp.hampshire.edu
>Message-ID: <1992Nov20.015620.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>
>
>one thought I would like to remind you:  scientific studies show that
>98% of diets do not work.  This means that weight will be regained and
>sometimes you will end up with more than what you started with.   the
>diet industry is exactly what it says it is it is an
>industry....created to make money.  please be careful with them.  there
>is no reason why everyone should try to be the same size.  think
>carefully before you go on a diet.  there are ways of accepting your
>body without changing it.
>
 
Thank you for your concern.  I agree with you as do most (all?) of
the other readers in a.s.d.  If you stay here a while you may agree
that this group might have been more aptly named
alt.support.changing-your-dietary-lifestyle.  I think we are fairly
level-headed.  Your reminder was welcome however -- I noted the
genuine concern.
 
TAMARA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: calling a.s.ders in the central NY area
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: ny
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:49:03 EST

I've noticed that there are alot of a.s.ders from the Syracuse
area and I was wondering if we might not want to get together 
sometime and meet in person. A.s.d is such a nice group!  We
could either do a lunch thing or turn it into a real support
group.  If you're interested, email me at mprisco@cat.syr.edu.
I work in Liverpool and live in Oswego but would be willing 
to head into Syracuse at lunch or after work.

I set the distribution on this to NYstate (since Syracuse
was too narrow) so that I wouldn't take up too much bandwidth.

Margot

--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:06:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Too heavy for scales (was: Re: Fatman returns (hee-hee-hee)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

The local diet program uses an electronic freight scale with > 400
pounds capacity.  Don't know how high it goes; didn't *want* to know.

Some beam-balance scales come with a counterweight to give an
additional 50 pounds of capacity.

Pete Brooks
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:38:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <97343@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1du26hINNl97@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu () writes
>
>>It was partly a plug for an author named Geneen Roth
>>and her book, "When Food is Love" (which I think I will run out and buy). She
>>goes on that same principle we have heard, Stop Dieting, which seems to cause
>>so much argument. But the principle is really good, I think. 
>
>>If we use food for reasons not related to energy and fuel for our bodies,
>>then no diet in the world will work. 
>
>Amen to that!  I for one have a tremendously hard time eating purely to
>satisfy biological hunger.  And as far as I'm concerned, that's the
>primary reason diets have failed me in the past.  I've always approached
>diets with the attitude of:  What can I get away with eating and still
>lose weight?  And:  Because I can have a whole cup of this, I'm going to
>_eat_ a whole cup of this, whether I'm hungry or not.  All those years of
>dieting did absolutely nothing about my emotional eating.  Didn't even
>address the issue.

Yes yes yes!  I'm absolutely like this!  It has been causing me
problems lately because I've been wanting to eat more (not out
of hunger) so I've been over doing it on foods that are OK.  But
it's not working (of course) and I'm getting htat out of control
feeling.  I can understand alot about *why* I'm getting these
feelings but its not enough to keep me from acting on them
So what's the answer?   Once you know your motivation, how can
you use it to change your behaviour?  Or do you just brute
force the change (willpower?)?  I think that's what I've been
doing for almost a year and I can see it isn't a long term 
solution.
>
>-- 
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Margot



--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:55:58 GMT

In <1992Nov19.232742.11565@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Again, I have no argument about that; I just don't think it's going to
>cause weight loss.  Whether or not it causes personal satisfaction is
>a different issue.

Personally, I don't particularly think that many people will be able to
pick up Roth's book and stop overeating. There is just too much hard work
involved.

But...Roth is not targeting people who overeat simply because they like
food.  That's the whole point.  Some people are fat because they like food,
some because of their genes, and some people because they have gotten
their emotional state intricately entwined with their eating.

Surely you wouldn't consider an anorectic someone who just likes to eat
less?  Or a bulemic just someone who likes to eat and throw up?  The answer
is "yes, there are real cultural reasons why eating disorders escape men."
Unfortunately, up until now, compulsive overeating looked too much like
gluttony for many people to consider it a "real" disorder.  Apparently it
is just now being considered for DMSR-III.

Clearly Steve and Gordon are not "compulsive" overeaters.  But I am.  I
am not convinced that "eating until satisfied" is an answer for compulsive
overeaters.  But confronting issues of emotions and food definitely is.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Subject: E-Mail WW Group
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:41:47 GMT

Hi Again:

I mailed Steve Wolfson a few weeks ago - I haven't heard anything back  
though -                                     

Steve, if you are out there, did you get my message?  Could you send the
questionnaire and stuff.  

Maybe you've had trouble getting me (our addresses might be changed)

try:

tbachman@hamline.edu

     OR

tbachman@seq.hamline.edu

THANKS!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: SEEING WW-STYLE GROUP ON NET
From: geschwentp@kenyon.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:52:03 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

Still seeking the internet WW-style group. I'm doing fine, but who can 
turn down *more* help?

Thanks, Patricia

GESCHWENTP@KENYON.EDU
GESCHWENT@VAX.CNS.MUSKINGUM.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:00:36 EST

In article <1992Nov20.100123.27067@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
>In article <BxxKI8.CH5@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.101223.25773@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>>>
>I know what you mean.  I live 30 miles north of Syracuse, NY.  There
>are alot more (cheaper) clubs there but if I had to drive 30 miles....
>This club is about 5 minutes away.  I could walk....if I had to...
>
>Margot
>>
>>
>
PLEASE FORGIVE THE WASTE OF BANDWITH - THIS IS FOR MARGOT

Margot,	
Are you the one that lives 30 miles north of Syracuse? 
Sometimes I can't figure out where postings are coming from. 
Do you work at SU?  I live in Mattydale and work at SU.  Email me.
Jfrawley@mailbox.syr.edu.  Maybe we could walk together at
lunchtime.
Judy Frawley
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Article in Allure magazine
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:08:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

A friend lent me this magazine called "Allure."  I have all but given up
looking at magazines like this, and was about to chuck it, when I read the
editor's column.  Listen to what she says:

"There is a picture of me on the wall in my parents' house.  I'm at my
school's May Day celebration.  It is a perfect spring day; I'm wearing a
white dress with ribbons.  I'm smiling, and my face is as round as a wheel
of Brie.  I am fat -- not Roseanne Arnold fat, just 17-year-old,
girls'school, field-hockey pudge.

"Since May Day 1976, I've become a walking diet encycolpedia.  The margins
of my copy of Ulysses from college are covered with notes:  Breakfast,
bran muffin, 150 calories; lunch, four saltines, two pickles, 58 calories;
dinner, two baked potatoes, 200 calories; total 408.  (I remember more
about those meals than about Leopold Bloom's journey.)  I've lost weight,
regained it, and lost it again.  And then I've tried to wash my mind of
calorie counts, the taste of Tab, the lessons of Herman Tarnower, and the
guilt.

"We all know the statistics: that about 90 percent of those who go on
diets end up gaining most of the weight they've lost, and often some more.
That being on a diet creates all kinds of nuttiness that can end in
serious eating disorders.  The best solution for all of us is to try to be
normal: to eat when we're hungry, to stop when we're full, and to replace
obsession with other, nobler pursuits.

"One organization is aiming to cure women of dieting and the self-hatred
that goes along with it.  At a meeting of Overcoming Overeating, women
learn to come to grips with the idea that they may never be thin.  So they
practice things like standing naked in front of a mirror and accepting
their bodies.  They throw out their bathroom scales (and at the doctor's
office, stand with their backs to the numbers).  They try to distinguish
between real hunger and "mouth hunger" in hopes of abolishing compulsive
eating.  These techniques may not sound like much, but as one group leader
says, they require "a tremendous amount of courage."

"As for me, I've forgotten how many calories are in an Oreo, even though I
still feel like a minor criminal whenever I eat one.  I'm off structured
diets -- and I've sworn never to print one in Allure.  It's a start.  As
the leader of Overcoming Overeating says, 'Maybe it's possible to become
so accepting of ourselves that we may not think about being thin.'  What a
lovely thought."

Whoa!  This is a fashion magazine editor talking??    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: E-Mail WW Group
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.095840.25613@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.184147.16559@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947) writes:
>>
>>I mailed Steve Wolfson a few weeks ago - I haven't heard anything back  
>>though -                                     
>>
>I haven't heard from Steve lately either.  Steve, are you out
>there?
>
Hey, me too!  I sent my questionaire!

A while ago I posted that I'm 2 pounds from goal.  Still 2 pounds
from goal, and...I'm committing the ultimate WW crime, I've stopped
going to meetings!

I'm getting ready to move, finances are tight, and I realized I
couldn't afford the meetings and deal with the pressure of these two
pounds!  I'm sticking with my WW program as best I can and getting
plenty of excercise.  My leader was very dissapointed - I think she
really wanted to see me make that Lifetime goal, but I'm leaving in
less than 6 weeks, and don't see those two pounds coming off with
Thanksgiving coming up, the stress of moving, etc.

I'm hoping you folks will help keep me going!  I'll have about a 2-3
week hiatus away from machines while moving, but I'll be back on line
in my new location.  I plan on getting those two pounds off, even if
I won't be getting my WW pin!  Though I really do want the
opportunity to reward myself through WW, I believe I'll get those two
pounds off without it.

So, to those whom I've encouraged to stick with meetings in the past,
I wish to say I'M NOT CHANGING MY TUNE!!!  Stick with it everyone!!!

Thanks for the good reading and support..
- Leslie
-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: please think before you diet..
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:13:20 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Nov20.015620.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, awinters@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
> one thought I would like to remind you:  scientific studies show that 98% of
> diets do not work.  This means that weight will be regained and sometimes you
> will end up with more than what you started with.   the diet industry is
> exactly what it says it is it is an industry....created to make money.  please
> be careful with them.  there is no reason why everyone should try to be the
> same size.  think carefully before you go on a diet.  there are ways of
> accepting your body without changing it. 

Frankly, I would advise taking the title literally.  Think first, 
then diet.  "The diet" is not going to do it, *you* are going to do 
it.  From all that I have read and observed, diets (or lifestyle 
changes) work because people have thought out what they are willing 
to do.

As far as the statistics go, somebody should have filled Bill Clinton 
in.  The chances of one of perhaps 200 million eligible people 
actually becoming President is so low that it is almost ridiculous.  
So, he should have gotten smart and never tried.

I can promise you that you will fail if you don't try to diet (or 
change your lifestyle, I like that better).  If you try, you may 
fail.  You may fail many times.  You may eventually find what works 
for you, though, or the practice in trying may help you to succeed.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,alt.support.big-folks
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Health Factors
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:32:17 GMT

In <19921121134150CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas) writes:
>mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>
>>Factor          Goal            Woman           Man
>>Tot Chol/HDL    4-4.5           4-4.4           4-4.5
>
>Is this perhaps a typo?  I'm not a medical expert, but I don't
>know any cardiologists who wouldn't classify a TC/HCL of 4.5
>as significant risk.  I'd believe 3-3.5 as a goal...

It isn't a typo.  According to this scale, 3-3.5 (mine is <3) counts 
as -3 points.  Perhaps my labeling of the field as "goal" was in error--
these are really the zero points on the scale.  Clearly going lower on
the scale (which means less risk of heart disease) is preferable.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:25:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Double chin
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

My double chin disappeared somewhere along the way.  There's a bit
of loose skin where the second (and third) chin used to be, but
after 40 years and 200 pounds of weight loss, I could have ended
up a lot worse.

Hang in there, and things will get better!

(I don't know if anyone else ever tried this, but as a motivational
tool during my fast, I took a couple of self-portrait pictures every week.
Did a front and profile, for each week from day 1 (393) to the end of
the fast (at 210 pounds).  Even though the scale was showing numbers that
were gratifying, it was really nice to look at the series of pictures
to see my thinner self come out.  [Not sure I can use the pictures for
a double-chin pointer; I was switching back and forth between a beard
and being cleanshaven during that time.]  Whenever the fast got a bit
hard to take, out would come the pics.  Nice to see where I was coming from
and going to.  BTW, if you do this yourself, consider getting small
rolls of film, like 20s or 12s, so you can get quick feedback.)

Pete Brooks
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:38:17 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <BxL1A7.MDI@wrs.com>,
jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>
>Is anyone else out there pursuing a totally nonfat diet? Is it
>appropriate to post recipes in this group? If so, has anyone got
>any? Any cookbook recommendations? I can recommend two (but not
>for vegans, they do use some animal products): "Healthy Eating
>With No Apologies" and the sequel, "More Healthy EAting" by
>Marcia Sabate Williams. There's a great seafood gumbo in there. Her
>husband went on the Pritikin diet and these recipes pretty much
>follow the Pritikin ideas. I follow them pretty strictly except I add
>salt, which Pritikin is against but I'm not.
>
>When I say totally nonfat, well maybe here I don't have to explain
>but I'm used to having to explain it elsewhere in my life!, I mean
>no oil for sauteeing, no nuts, no cheese on the pizza, no olive oil
>in the spaghetti sauce, no bread or crackers made with shortening. Nada.
>Nothing. El Zippo.
>
>However, I still eat sweets like those Dole frozen fruit bars, they're
>great! Sometimes I break down and get the nonfat Entenmann's. Sorry if
>mentioning that brand name causes anyone out there to go off their diet.
>
>
>I guess I'm interested in anyone's thoughts on this sort of diet. I'm
>doing it partly to lose weight, but I try to think of it as just a much
>healthier way to eat anyhow. I don't plan to go back to high-fat foods
>after I lose the weight. anyway, melted cheese is kind of repulsive to
>me now. Strange how not eating something for awhile makes you lose your
>taste for it, sometimes.
>
>I'm rambling! Stop me! AAAAgh.
>


Well, I am trying to stay on a non-fat diet-but it tain't easy.  I
lost 30 lbs in 10 weeks.  I, also, am diabetic, so that means no
sugar for me either.

Alma
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