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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story )
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:46:56 GMT

In article (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article  (E.A. Story ) writes:
>>In article  (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>In article  (E.A. Story ) writes:
>>Oh, effective.. perhaps.. Moral?  no way.  Check out Japan's judicial
>>system.  Yes, they have a 95% conviction rate, yes they have a very low
>>crime rate, and yes, they are continually guilty of human rights abuses
>>within this same judicial system.  
>
>How should I check out Japan's judicial system? Hmm?

Watch 20/20...  There was a story about Japan's "hidden" shame...
"Check out" is a semi-slang term, BTW.. picking nits doesn't make ANY
points at all.. sorry. 

>So many propositions, so little....
>Granted, this IS .advocacy, buy could be have _some_ base for this statistic?

I'm not writing a report on Japan's judicial system... It was an
educated guess based on the previous 95% rate.  I realize this is
becoming a MBism... so I withdraw the statement.

>>I don't have to send people convicted of involuntary manslaughter to a 
>>prison of Mike Haas's description.  I know its a cliche, but doing the
>>things Mike suggests would make the Judicial system as bad as the
>>criminals.  Hell, we already have cops crossing the line... Wanna take a
>>guess at what will happen if WE have a conviction rate of 95% and
>>prisons that treat people like dogs?  Cops and others who abuse their power
>>will have even more power to blackmail ordinary citizens.
>
>DO you want to prevent crime or NOT?  Don't pussyfoot around with criminals-
>they'll never learn.  If the US had a 95% conviction rate and a prison
>system that treated people like dogs, the crime rate would PLUMMET.  By
>the way - tha is a GOOD thing.  If there was a mandatory death sentence
>for planned murder (execution within a week of failed first appeal), the
>murder rate would plummet.  

Ok, so how are criminals supposed to learn when you kill them?  Jails
don't reform anyone, at least the ones you and Mike are suggesting.  The
means justify the ends?  You may subscribe to that.. but I dont.

>Good grief, that is what I mean if I ask 'what do 
>you propose?' - I mean that you complain about crime, but holler when people
>like me calmly point out just _what_ measures would need to be taken.

I never complained about crime... Mike Haas is the one doing the
complaining.  I was pointing out that the measures that YOU and Mike are
suggesting are repressive... even scary.  


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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:26:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug15.193839.18798@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>
>Maybe when I starting high school I will try Latin!  WHAT is
>meaning of IDES of September if you know it??!

Are you serious? You are not even in high school? As in
elementary school? Perhaps you confuse high school with
university?

This post will get you tons of flames Jeff, but not from
me.

Now I have a serious question for Mr. Young: how is the
Falcon compatibility at the hardware level. The rumored
AA chips are register level compatible with the old ECS
chips. A lot of thought went into the design of the AA
chips to acomplish this. IE: it wasn't a rapid hack response
to Falcon. Did the Falcon designers go to these lenghts
to ensure compatibility? IE: will all programs that go
straight to the hardware break?

Just wondering.

Ian.
P.S. I'm in a real good mood, didn't even warm up the flame
thrower!
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From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore show
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:16:20 GMT

dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.073717.8982@regina.cs.uregina.ca> gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>>Who is going to the World of Commodore show, Pasedena, CA? 
>>Will you be able to make posts to the net and keep the rest
>>of us informed as to whats new/old at the show?  It would be
>>much appreciated.
>>

>	Thank God Iowa is far enough from California. Otherwise we might
>hear more bad news, like maybe a report that CBM doesn't show!

Haha.  Then, after being proven wrong once again, he'd come back and say
things like:

"Well, they only had 43 employees/representative's there, while the industry
average for these types of shows is 62.  Therefore, I must conclude they
weren't there.  Why even bother?"

"And for that matter, they only spent .15% of total sales on this show.  If
they stayed in line with the industry average 3.7562%, then we'd know they
had a real commitment."


Hahaha.....this cracks me up.


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:00:20 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
:    Scale is for making presentations with static pictures, the computer 
: equivelent of a slideshow.  Not very many people would equate this with

(You're right, Scala was a bad example.  How about Foundation and it's
super?)

: multimedia.  What were are looking for and not finding are interactive 
: presentations with high-resolution partial-screen motion video and high-
: quality sound.  Something like CDTV, but on a high-resolution non-
: interlaced screen with tiny fonts -- more like computer than a VCR, 
: with text small enough for "hypermedia" purposes and not an overdependency
: on graphics, like traditional low-resolution Amiga multimedia ususally
: forces.

Get a SunRize board, its software, if I remember correctly, has an
ARexx port.  And it doesn't take a genius to write a simple script to
make use of it.

High resolution motion video isn't real possible currently.  Not
easily, anyways.  Sure, you could take GVP's 24-bit card and use that,
and use PIP stuff to put amiga graphics into the display as a small
motion video window and still play with the 24-bit graphics, but it's
not going to be easy.

:    A user's nightmare.  Meaning that a person has to have a degree in
: computer science to do CD-ROM multimedia from an Amiga.  Nothing is 
: available that is ready-to-run on an Amiga.

No, but it does take more preparation than it should.  It doesn't take
a genius to interface a few applicatons through ARexx, obviously.  But
one could easily integrate toaster effects, graphics, and other
capabilities with Amiga graphics and SunRize sound with some extra
text from CD-Rom's and graphics from LaserDiscs and VCR's.

And that's with AmigaVision.  I don't know how much better Foundation
and its super are, but I know they're better.  :)

:    There we go again with video.  A flickering, low-resolution screen
: with fonts as big as cities.  Terrible for text-oriented hypermedia.

But not bad for a multimedia presentation to be shown to groups of
people.  And are we talking about multimedia presentations or not?

:    There we go again with programming.  To get anything done, a user has
: to be an expert programmer.  User-friendliness goes out the window.  

You don't have to be an expert programmer to lace together programs
through ARexx.  However, power and flexibility doesn't always come as
idiot-capable as some would like.  But you're exaggerating again,
obviously.

Greg

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From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A (sad) story about stocks, Norwegian banks and C=
Date: 21 Aug 1992 14:31:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In <mykes.0cz5@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Remember my prediction of $2/share in february!

Do you want to put your money where your mouth is?

I propose this:

In February, 1993, I'll give you $500 in exchange for 200 shares of
stock in Commodore.

If you are right about the stock being at $2/share, you'll make $100.

Are you willing?

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:43:54 GMT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
: You are ver good with insults like Microsoft people!  Sorry for
: being BLOCKhead.

I haven't heard that "nickname" since kindergarten.  I guess that
explains why it came to you so quickly.  Young seems to fit.  Like
maybe five.  Possibly six, you're most likely a late bloomer.

: Maybe when I starting high school I will try Latin!  WHAT is
: meaning of IDES of September if you know it??!

The "Ides" in typical roman nomenclature referred to what usually
coincided between the 13th and the 15th of a month.  Therefore, the
Ides of September refers to the middle of september, circa the
"announcement" of new amigas at a show.

You should really keep up with current events.  Especially if you
think you're going to flame people on what you think you know--it
becomes apparent that you don't know anything when you don't know
what's going on.

Greg

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: DREAM TEAM ==> Lynx, Falcon, Jaguar
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:39:41 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <193140@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov> pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.105850.15004@sinix.UUCP>, tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug6.200159.23201@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>>>
>>>The keyboard, the floppy drive (which had a much higher capacity than
>>>any 3.5" floppy-format of other computers, including your beloved ST),

I believe he was speaking in the past tense. IE: "HAD a much higher
capacity". When the Amiga was shipped its 3.5" floppy drive
had a capacity in excess of those use in other machines.
Not until the advent of the high density drive did this change.

>> That would come as a surprise to any NeXT owner with a built in 2.88 MB
>> 3.5" Floppy Disk
>
>Not to mention IBM PS/2 owners with similar capacity.
>
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Huh?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER "Customer Service"

In article <64273@cup.portal.com> Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon) writes:
>What's a chipset?

	A set of chips, dingbat.

>Do I have even have one?

	Yes, you should have one with every meal.

>Can't my computer run without it?
>Isn't that a fly inside your nostril?

	What the hell is your problem?  Do you think this is
comp.sys.amiga.nasality or something??  What a wanker.

>Then my dog bites me and I hit him with a shovel and get
>a new one."

	A new dog, or a new shovel?

                                                        Dan

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: amiga rumors and ille
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:43:21 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


JS>Maybe I'm dense, but I just can't see how the release of this information
JS>harms Commodore, or why they have to `pull in' and slow down the test/
JS>release process.  Isn't it to a company's advantage to pre-announce new
JS>technology in order to increase the probable market share?  Isn't that
JS>why companies announce vaporware?  Many writers here have pointed out
JS>that this new AA/3.0 information will have the effect of preventing many
JS>defections to other systems, and in general, raise hope in the whole
JS>Amiga world, spur software sales, etc.  I know this is exactly the effect
JS>the news has had on me.  Are all those who are bemoaning the leak
JS>disputing this effect?

 No your not dense, This info is harmful for a few reasons.
 
 1. It hurts 3rd party developers. People are so hyped up about new systems
    that they are going to wait for them. Even if these systems come out in
    a year or two. Some people may be waiting for things that don't even
    exist, when they can support a 3rd party solution.
 
 2. By the time a product hits the market, it could be a completelyl different
    product. It may not even be released. Why have users waiting for something
    that may not even come out. Users will get upset because they were waiting
    for something that Commodore was just toying with.
 
 3. It hurts Commodores sales. I've already been seeing message from Amiga
    users. These users are telling potential Amiga buyers to wait until
    the new Amigas are out. While I myself believe there are new systems
    coming out, we don't know when these systems will be made available.
 
 Those are some main reasons. While a new Amiga and a new graphics chip will
definatly help sell the Amiga in the future. What about now!
 
 Commodore is a little to blame here, They should be a little more open with
the end user. While the above 3 points make it understandable for Commodore
not to release such information. They should at least release a report with
the direction they are heading in. If they said that they beleived in better
grahpics and faster machines, it would have been enough to put confidence
in a user. This one liner is enough to tell a user that Commodore is aware
of the problem and are working on a solution.
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From: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:08:46 GMT
Reply-To: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

>>I paid $2250 for my first A1000.  You are telling me that the monitor,
>>256K and disk drive cost $1K?
>
>I guess it must have.  Maybe you bought a good Sony monitor, a couple
>3.5" external drives, a 5.25" drive, possibly some software ?
>(like your copy of Lattice C ?  :-)  )

	256K - ?$200?
	external floppy - ?$250?
	Monitor - ?$400?
	Tax (on above +$1250) - ?$200?

	That would put it above $2250.

>>I asked Tim Mott.  You can ask Mike K who Tim was to EA.  You don't offer any
>>reasons why you think EA stopped supporting the Amiga...  I mean by not
>>advertising, commisioning many new works, etc.
>
>I don't remember any Amiga specific advertising from EA;  they were heavily
>into multi-platform back then.

	They did have 2-page ads in the first year or so of AmigaWorld.

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Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion.
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Amiga 600 vs. Falcon 030
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:02:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.235230.25841@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>We hear all this talk about the A600 and how it really isn't that bad...

Until it is available in the US there is no reason for those of us in
this country to worry about it.

>I'm just curious to know if you had a choice between purchasing an
>Amiga 600 for $400 or a Falcon 030 (with specs. that were mentioned here)
>for $700, which would you buy?

As both are still vaporware as far as the US market is concerned, I don't
believe that I'd consider either one.

>Would it be worth the extra $300 for the greater graphics resolutions,
>CD quality sound, 68030 at 16 MHz, DSP at 32 MHz, numeric keypad,
>direct processor socket, 1.44 disk drive, built-in fan, internal clock,
>MIDI ports, headphone and microphone ports, DSP port, bi-directional
>parallel port, LAN, and greater memory expansion capabilities?

Sure, if they'd get a real OS instead of a stupid little hack on top of
their CP/M program launcher.  

>If the A600 was at $300 and the Falcon 030 at $700, would you be
>willing to pay an extra $400 for all those features?

If the Falcon had an OS, a real company behind it, and was the descendant
of something other than a 68000 CP/M box I might.  

>Right now, I'm between both companies.  I'm trying to have an objective
>view but when I see all those other features that the Falcon has,
>I have to side with the Falcon.

So you are between a fading giant and a dead midget.  Why do you keep
posting your lame Atari drivel?  Do you think anyone really gives a
hoot about a piss-poor machine like the Falcon from a crummy little
company like Atari.  Sheesh.  Why in the world would an Amiga user want
to switch to a company which has done even worse than Commodore?

>Of course, it may be bugged up upon release...

Little doubt about that...
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From: judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu (Stephen Judd)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.151542.12964@colorado.edu> judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu (I) write:
>Incidentally, the three examples above were things done by SDI several years
>ago.  The point is that many programs which may seem like utter failures may
>generate technologies that will mature and become very important in the
>years to come.

Very poor contextual organization.  Makes it sound like SDI is some sort of
failure.  My apologies.

					-Steve
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:20:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug21.002059.23916
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Aug20.094422.15546@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <paulg.002q@weird.miami.fl.us> paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul Griswold) writes:
>>
>>I would like to hear your response to the following letter that was mailed to me:
>>
>>   Here's the rough draft of a letter that I am sending to AmigaWorld.  You
>>can take my complaints from it...
>> 
>> 
>>Dear Mr. Barney:
>>
>[letter deleted]
>>                                             Sincerely,
>
>I'll fill in the blank...                     Marc Barrett
>
>
>I wondered how long it would be before Marc's letter to Amiga World
>was posted.   It certainly isn't anything new for readers of this
>newsgroup.

   Yes, this was my writing all right.  Actually, this was a rough draft of
the letter; the one I actually sent was toned down a bit.  I also sent it
(along with the appropriate cover letters) to Irving Gould, Mehdi Ali, and the
the author of that infamous Amiga Obituary article (Phillip Robinson I think
is his name).  

>-- 
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:49:53 GMT

[ lots of things about the sad state of Amiga software ]
>
>Eric Edmonds
>UMASS at Lowell
>Dept of Nuclear Engineering

	You should get together with Commodore and create a nuclear powered
   Amiga.  Wow, imagine that.  Everybody would want one. :)

							G.Greene
From: hamster@werple.pub.uu.oz.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Rumors and illegal postings hurt us all
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:12:12 GMT
Organization: Werple public-access Unix, Melbourne

jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:

>  It is a bit disgusting that Microsoft can betatest MS-DOS with 15,000+
>plus people and have no leaks while we look like a decrepit dam with only
>20% of that count (if that).

Actually, I just saw MS-DOS 6.0 Beta lurking on a BBS earlier this week.
It vanished like a puff of PC smoke by the next day. Every platform has
its leaks (some more than others, admittedly)

>  -jack-

Anthony 
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Food for thought
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:13:07 GMT

In article <25380008@hpsad.sad.hp.com> kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci) writes:

Mike, 

I'm beginning to sound a little like Kevin here.  I think it is catching.
Be yourself.
>
>Mike,
>
>Your beginning to sound a little like MB. I hope it isn't catching.
>
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