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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: LNH - Posting of the last chapter (so far...)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:29:26 GMT

In article <Bu2LvB.7sq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:

>	"I've had enough of this crap", says Table.  He aims both 
>artifacts to the ground and the ground underneath them starts to
>crumble.  "I think it is time for the end of the world."  Instead
>of an evil laugh as with many evil doers do, he just snickers.

Time Crapper falls into his famous squat, squinting his eyes in great
concentration, and screams at the top of his lungs, "Spindle the
hairspray, long laze the lollipops!"  Manga Man and Table cock their
eyebrows and take a break from mayhem.  

"Sorry, just took control of our ace in the hole.  I was briefly
dada-ized.  He should be along momentarily.  You guys can go back to
work."

Manga Man and Table headed off to do more mayhem, as Marvel_Zombie Lad
and Cliche Dude took the opportunity to reload and relight their
cigars when the entire area was bathed in an eerie green light (tm).
Crashing through the ceiling came the ugliest green ghost to bathe
anyone in anything, with the Ring of the Retcon metathasized to his
nose!  Having crushed the W.I.L.D.G.N.A.T.S and Spoon beneath him, he
looked towards our Net.heroes and flashed them an evil grin.  His ears
and eyes began to trade places, but he shook it off.  Gobbling up
whole Savage MaCon and Gator-ade, he pointed his nose at MZ Lad
and Cliche Dude.  MZ Lad leveled a Rocket-launcher and aimed, but was
hit square in the chest by Manga Man's patented reverse roundhouse.
Table grabbed the remote and Robotech theme music flooded the area
sending MZ Lad to his knees. Just then Spelling Lad, The Incredible
Man with No Life and Parking Karma Kid sprung out of the shadows and
onto the GreenRingWraith.  

"Good thing we have our Flight Thingies," yelled Cliche Dude up at
them, "we're in the midst of the Ultimate Crossover here, the end of
the Universe and everything!"

Rather than telling Cliche Dude to get a life, PK Kid punched the
GreenRingWraith in the nose and knocked it out of joint, and the four
of them went spirally out of control.

"Time to pull out the Cosmic Plot-Device, we can't lose, we've got
IT."

Table and the Time Crapper looked around to see Y-Plex Burp skulking
in the shadows, preparing IT.

-----------

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
...................................................................... 
"What a Showman!  What a Madman!  He's Astoundingly Heroic!"
"Sugar, salt, flour ... You know, if it wasn't for the thumb tacks, nine-volt
  battery, and the Hot Wheel tracks, you'd think we were going to make a cake."
   --- Madman
  g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Some things I want to mention
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:48:34 GMT
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
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In article <1992Sep9.190841.10500@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
)In article <1992Sep9.162352.18213@dragon.acadiau.ca> 860099w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) writes:
)>* Buy BONE by Jeff Smith.  It is the best new comic book of 1992.
)
)Ok, I've seen it...now why should I be getting it?
)
)Jeff Klein 

	Because it has charming characters, funny jokes, creepy
monsters, and nice art. Next question?

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "I am the mad blind energy of the universe,
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | I vacuum under the beds!"
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |            -- Kim Stanley Robinson
From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Vincent J. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Nightwing's costume change
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:52:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep15.162936.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> massengale_m@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>I recently read the "Eclipso" stories in DEATHSTROKE THE TERMINATOR and
>My question is:  why, in the TEAM TITANS annual, does Nightwing change his
>costume halfway through the story, then change it back?  The difference are
>not tremendous, but are noticeable:  the turtleneck gives way to a huge
>standup collar and plunging neckline.  The yellow band across the front is
>changed to two light blue bands which form an "X".  Moreover, Nightwing's
>hair is long for the turtleneck; it's short for the standup collar.
>
>Does Nightwing take after Barbie, or did somebody splice in some old pages?
>Just curious...
>

    Another case of too many artists spoiling the issue. Obviously, some
of the artists were using old reference materials.  The writing on the 
issue was so bad that catching art mistakes was the only enjoyment I
got.

-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superman's Death
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:46:51 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <9225017.16911@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU writes:

> msanto@micromed.com (mike santo) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Just out of curiosity, what paper was it that had the info?
> 	From the "Distribution: aus", it seems that you're in 
> 	Australia too. I wonder if they put comic related stuff in
> 	the papers...
> 
Since I read the same article, I can tell you it was in The Sunday Age, a 
paper published in Melbourne.  The article was one culled from a U.S.
news agency. I think it was Knight-Ridder, or somesuch.  Pretty badly
written, in my opinion.  It said that after Superman bit the big one, they 
would continue on for a month or two, no more, and the storyline would be
based around the title, Death of a Friend.  You American's should no more.
Keep us posted!!!  Cheers.
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From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Vincent J. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Aussie Super Heros
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:57:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <15SEP199210102638@zeus.tamu.edu> tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER) writes:
>In article <199209150216.AA09293@mihi.une.edu.au>, jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets) writes...
>>does anyone know of any Australian Superheros?
>>I cant find even ONE....
>
>The Tasmanian Devil of the Global Guardians.  (And if you want a villian,
>there's Digger Harkness, alias Captain Boomerang.)
>
   Didn't Wolverine have an Aussie accent in that excretable cartoon of years
 past?  I seem to remember that he didn't have a Canadian accent.
-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: RAC
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:17:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler):
>I have a question..why is rac changing to racm?...am i correct in 
>understanding that the only change will me rac to racm?...

For the benefit of the many readers who weren't here over the summer,
I'm going to tackle some of these questions.

First, the facts.  As of last spring, there were rac, rac.strips, and
rac.marketplace.  Since rac was getting over a hundred messages a day,
there was an attempt to divide it into subgroups.  For the most part,
the attempt failed.  The changes that went through were the creation of
a low-volume rac.info group, and the creation of rac.xbooks, since those
titles represent a relatively self-contained universe that many readers
wished to avoid.  Finally, it was decided (by a single vote) to change the
name of rac to rac.misc, to better accord with certain Usenet conventions.

(The two groups exist in parallel to give people an opportunity to 
subscribe to rac.misc before rac disappears at the end of this month.
People are encouraged to stop posting to rac and to move their discussions
to rac.misc.)

Some people may ask why the vote was held while students were away, 
effectively disenfranchising many of them.  The answer is that very little
consensus is needed in order to *initiate* the reorganization process
on Usenet:  Someone chose not to wait, and the process followed willy-nilly.  
It's not obvious that he was wrong, and that he had an obligation to 
delay the process the full half year that would have been necessary.

>also does anyone support a Valiant/Darkhorse/Image(yuck) newsgroup being
>that these are most of the comics i read....also why not Rac.Marvel (so 
i/others wouldnt have to read about this stuff)...rac.DC...

These options and others like them have been discussed to death several
times over the past few years.  Each time, the same pattern emerges:
What everyone would like to see is the creation of two newsgroups,
rac.StuffIRead and rac.StuffIDontRead, but there is amazingly little
agreement about what should fall into each category.  Some readers avoid
Marvel (and would like it to be quarantined in its own group); most dont'.
Some readers avoid superhero comics (rac.superhero was on the ballot, and
failed); most don't.  Etc.  

If a group is split along lines which don't correspond to readers'
interests or discussion topics, you get crossposting -- which is a
significant burden to many readers' software -- and acrimony over
where discussions should reside, particularly as they evolve.

In brief, I don't expect people to believe that the current rac
hierarchy represents the best of possible worlds.  They should, however,
realize that the obvious alternatives are choices that -- after
discussing at length -- readers have been unable to agree upon.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:45:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare):
>ps. Has it occured to anyone that Winter is the most powerful being in the
>universe?  She can warp, shapechange, and has miracle powers.  Scary.  Maybe
>she'll be the villain in the Silver Age (or the hero).

We have no real basis for believing that she's more powerful than the
other Miracle children.  The main difference is that she grew up outside
a society of peers, and so is least socialized.  Partly for this reason,
she's far more effective in the role of uninvolved observer than that of
villain -- which calls for concerns she doesn't seem to share.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Where is / What is Mike Golden doing...?
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:04:07 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

He's doing the art for one of the stories in the Marvel Holiday Special coming
up.

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: % made on comic books
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 04:09:06 GMT

In article <92254.222849JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>        Just out of curiosity sake, I was wondering how much money a comic
>  company and a comics store makes off an individual comic.
>
>        For example, take DC's Batman at $1.25. I know that the Philadelphia
>  Inquirer sells at $.35 a copy, and Batman probably has the same circulation
>  as the Phil Inq. I know that the Inq. doesn't sell at a loss, so it costs
>  them less than $.35 a copy to make, and there is much more paper and people
>  to pay for each copy of the Phil Inq than DC does for each Batman book. So
>  if we say that each copy of Batman costs $.25 to produce, there is an entire
>  $1.00 unaccounted for for each copy sold. if DC splits that $1.00 profit
>  50/50 with the comic shop selling it(and they probably don't), and they sell
>  50,000 copies of Batman, DC is making about 25,000 a month off just that one
>  title. Up till now I just thought that comic book companies weren't really
>  that successful monetarily. Guess I was wrong. If my numbers are way off, and
>  they probably are, I am really interested in finding out for just curiosity
>  sake. Also, would this be considered price gouging?
>

In theory, retailers get 40-58% off retail price.  The store I work for gets
53%.  The books are sold to distributors at about 60% off retail, so the
distributor gets the rest of the margin.

Batman, at $1.25:

DC gets 50 cents
The other 75 cents is split between the retailer and distributor.

Remember, that this is only the direct market; typically, comic companies lose
money in the mass market, as those books are returnable -- the retailer
typically gets a 30% discount in the newsstand/mass market.

In no way is this gouging.  It costs more than 25 cents to make a comic book,
for one -- the price per unit decreases with an increase in the production run.
Distributors and direct-market retailers are not permitted to return the books
they don't sell.  A 50% profit margin is pretty much standard in this kind
of retail trade -- bookstores operate on around the same level, for example,
as do software retailers.  Mind you, most larger retailers give discounts.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
Do I need a BotENV name?  How 'bout "Impatient Lad"?
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: hey, that's WALT simonson doing superman!
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Sep11.020315.8110@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
|> A #2 is unlikely, given that this issue was A: in the can for several years 
|> before being published this month, and B: a post-crisis retcon of a classic 
|> 1970's Superman story under Denny O'Neill's editorial helm. 

Umm... 

A: Nope.  The story was just completed recently.
B: Nope.  Denny was the writer; Julie Schwartz was the editor.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay)
Subject: CEREBUS: Weisshaupt lives?
Organization: Thinkage, Ltd.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:38:11 GMT

bv446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James S. Ottaviani) writes:
>Ken Small (kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu) -- Hi Dave- just saw you
>in Royal Oak; thanks for the sketch.  My question is: Are
>the disembodiment's of Necross, Elrod and Claremont related?
>It seems that all three died in Cerebus' presence, only to
>come back as possessing spirits.  Also, has the same thing
>happened to Weisshaupt? Is that one of the reasons he called
>for Cerebus at his deathbed?
>
>Dave -- You're the first one to notice this. Go to the head
>of the class. Weisshaupt was unaware of that effect except
>at an unconscious level. Consciously, it was not the reason
>he called for Cerebus. Unconsciously, it probably was.

So, could Weisshaupt be the fake elf?
-- 
David Tanguay       dat@Thinkage.on.ca  dat@Thinkage.com  uunet!thinkage!dat
Thinkage, Ltd.           Kitchener, Ontario, Canada          [43.40N 80.47W]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Maybe it's a hoax (was Re: Superman to Die?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:06:52 GMT

Ok.  We've all seen the previews that say Superman dies in #75.  What if it's
a hoax.  In an interview with Dan Juregins(?) in Diamond Previews he makes
an off-hand coment--"Since it's (the issue) wouldn't it be a great joke
if we actually marry Clark and Lois at the end" or some such thing.  This 
is ment as a joke. 
BUT what if Dan was actually clueing fans into a secret.

Here's some reason's why Supes dying is implausible:

1)  They've said it's a real story (not imaginary) so to bring him back
	would be like doing one of Marvel's stunts.
2)  Killing him off pretty much ruins Clarks life for when they do bring
	him back. (CLARK: Gee Perry, I was visiting Smallville for the past
	months.  Sorry I didn't call.)
3)  It's not like Gaiman will let them use DEATH so you can do some neat
	things with Supes being dead.

Also, has anyone actually seen the art for Supes being dead, mo just
the cover of the book.   

just think about it

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           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
CHEKOV:  But, I wasn't in that episode!!!       | No matter where you go, there
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From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Cerebus: What If Sim Doesn't Make it to #300
Reply-To: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:57:52 GMT

jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> 
> >By the way, I feel that Cerebus is overpriced.  It's black and white, printed
> >on newspaper stock, and only contains 20 pages of story per issue; so why the 
> >hell is it $2.25???  Don't say it's because of low print runs, because Dark 
> >Horse Presents is printed on acid-free paper, not the kind used in newspapers,
> >yet it's the same price.
> 
> Dark Horse does more than one comic. These other comics
> subsidise DHP.

	Plus Dark Horse probably can get a better deal from printers since
they can provide work for printers every week. Since Cerebus is the only
title published by A-V printing Cerebus is basically a special order every
time. (Especially since Dave Sim probably can't tell the printer when the
issue will need to be printed until shortly before it goes to the printer.)

	So it's less a case of small print runs and more a matter of a small
publisher.

-Jeff
-- 
Jeff Hildebrand, The Shaggy TA			hildebra@math.wisc.edu
"Join that political superman, secret agent double 0 zero, George Bosh
in his new film, 'Never Just Say No Again.'"      Off The Cuff, R.I.P.
"Did everyone buy that? Good, 'cause I didn't"   The Proof By Snow Job
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman + Moran
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:38:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) says:

>fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:

>his magic word. . .in the first issue.  My point is, if you accept that 
>"MM + Moran were the same person," to add "at that point" doesn't make much
>sense.  Either they are, or they aren't.  The tension (and it's awful, this

I disagree -- I think it's acceptable for them to
 start out the same and diverge later.

>Keep in mind that the technology allows for an undefined number of bodies,
>controlled by what the Qys call a "mind-pivot."  This implies that there
>is one motive intellect/mind/soul, which selects between the several.

I would simply say "Humans and Qys are different."
 For all their multiple bodies + single soul, the
 Qys are sterile, possibly stagnant.  They never
 (in thousands of years) managed to develop Miracle
 forcefields, children, or Warping.  Gargunza
 and Winter did so in a relative instant.  To me,
 this suggests that humans + Qys have different 
 abilities + limits.

>> IMHO, MM stays on Earth not because he needs people, but
>>  because he believes that people need HIM.  He cares about

>You're not speaking to my point.  You say "he believes. . ." this doesn't
>address the fact that he seems to need people, whatever he believes.  And
>I'm not convinced he does believe it.

You are correct.  My apologies.  
-- 
Francis A. Uy			now a Bawlmorean, hon.
Program Director, WUMD		ISO part time job to pay the rent.
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #161
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:27:33 GMT

aoki@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Bishonen Senshi Sailor Paul) writes:
[...]
>I'm trying to figure out who the barkeeper with the "outrraageous Franch
>accent" is.  Theresa's brother, maybe?

You mean "Lower Feldan" accent :-)

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"As you can see, Transcarpatho-serbo-slavo-dravidic isn't so much a language
 as a chronic throat disease with grammar."		-- The Oracle
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep15.165926.2306@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>>>>Spawn #8 (Image)
>>>>    Writer:  Alan Moore
>>>>Spawn #9 (Image)
>>>>    Writer:  Neil Gaiman
>>>>Spawn #10 (Image)
>>>>    Writer:  Dave Sim
>>>>Spawn #11 (Image)
>>>>    Writer:  Frank Miller

>The reason that this is such a surprise for everybody is not just
>becasue it's McFarlene or because it's Image, but because it is a
>standard super hero. None of these guys have done a standard super hero
>in years. Gaimen comes the closest with Miracleman, but I would hardly
>call him standard.

It could be argued that Spawn is not *standard* super hero material.

>Basically everybody here is shocked and more than a little confused.
>Until it comes out in public there will be speculation galore. I still
>say it's the money. Image and McFarlene have the money to throw around
>and this would shut up a lot of the bashing going on about lack of
>writing at Image. Remember, these guys are human, they have needs just
>like the ret of us. Despite their principles, if the money is amazing
>they will probably take it.

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}