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From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Criti!
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:30:01 GMT
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In-reply-to: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu's message of Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:31:58 GMT

In article <crystal.724095118@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>He's right.  Even if you manualy build the sample (waveform, sound ... )
>>it's still a sample, here's a C def for a sinewave:

>>BYTE chip sinewave[8] ={0,90,127,90,0,-90,-127,-90};
>>(dc.b 0,90,127,90,0,-90,-127,-90 in Assembly)

>So it *IS* programming!  Just like I originally thought!  Just like we had
>to do on the Apple ][ which had no "sample" capability.  And since (from my
>computer science courses) hardware is only capable of recognizing patterns 
>of on/off switches, whether the sound is something a programmer "synthesized"
>with programming, or "sampled" with a microphone, it is all read the same way
>by the computer - as on/off switches.  It doesn't care HOW the 1's and 0's
>got there, it just reads it.

Well, first of all, it isn't programming. It's just entering a list of values
with the help of a programming language... Neither the C or assembly versions
have any instructions in them.
And the on/off switch stuff is highly over-simplifying... Amiga uses 8-bit
samples, which means that the values can range between -128..127 (Amiga uses
signed values for samples, Mac would use unsigned, 0..255). But basically, you
got it right. For the hardware, it doesn't matter where the data comes from.
You could try playing an ASCII file, and get a lot of noise... :-)

>I suspect however that terminology is bogging us all down, because "sampless"
>in my world are those things created by using a microphone and "synthsized"
>are those sounds created by manually writing programs such as above.  Which
>is why there are so few instruments in Sonix - to program them all would be
>time-consuming in the extreme... And I've noticed that instruments can be
>manipulated much easier (via programming) than can "samples" of sounds because
>of the purity of the "notes".

The end part, I didn't get. Anyhow, 'sample' in Amiga audio context means a
sound expressed as a list of signed, 8 bit values. It can be generated either
by digitizing or by 'synthesizing' (for me, that would really mean real-time
generation, like in synthesizers).

>Have I got it figured out yet? :>

Pretty much. See how coming up with something constructive makes a difference?
:-)
--
Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: mctaylor@mta.ca ("Michael C. Taylor")
Subject: Samples (Was Re: Criti!)
Reply-To: mctaylor@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:24:39 GMT

About samples, I guess one defination could be that if the program
has a set of values _stored_ then the sound is sampled, if the sound was
created purely by a mathematical equation(s) then it is not sampled, but
a syth sound. Correct? If you created a sound wave to play by superpostioning
sinasodial waves then it is not a sampled sound. It can be done, anyone
want to give examples. (I can't do ASCII drawings with anything)
 
P.S. I think that one could write demos with C, and without doing all those
nasty things so many coders love, but then again, I'm a programmer not a
coder. If I wanted to write drivers I'd join the Mach effort. If I liked
writing graphic routines I'd do a colour Xserver for Amix using ECS.
(Geez all 3000s have ECS...:)

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Michael C. Taylor  Internet: MCTaylor@MtA.ca  phone: (506) 364-9819
Box M-14 Mount Allison University, Sackville, NB, E0A 3C0, Canada
Amiga 3000/25MHZ/100MB/5MB/KS 2.04 ROM/WB 2.05  A1960/A3070/A225/A2065
Exec - What an OS was meant to be.  MS-DOS - what your 64 should of used. :-)
From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Samples (Was Re: Criti!)
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:05:46 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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In-reply-to: mctaylor@mta.ca's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.012439.17248@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> mctaylor@mta.ca ("Michael C. Taylor") writes:

>About samples, I guess one defination could be that if the program
>has a set of values _stored_ then the sound is sampled, if the sound was
>created purely by a mathematical equation(s) then it is not sampled, but
>a syth sound. Correct? If you created a sound wave to play by superpostioning
>sinasodial waves then it is not a sampled sound. It can be done, anyone
>want to give examples. (I can't do ASCII drawings with anything)

I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but if a sound is stored in memory, it is a
sample, no matter where it came from. The "synth sound" is not too clear, it
might mean a sound that's sampled from a synthesizer, pre-synthesized and
saved as a sample, or real-time calculated...

>P.S. I think that one could write demos with C, and without doing all those
>nasty things so many coders love, but then again, I'm a programmer not a
>coder. If I wanted to write drivers I'd join the Mach effort. If I liked
>writing graphic routines I'd do a colour Xserver for Amix using ECS.
>(Geez all 3000s have ECS...:)

Though the new C compilers are pretty good in optimizing, they can never be as
good as a human can. That's why the best demos will always be written in
assembly, though some things can of course be done in C, too.. But you're right
that demos could be done system friendly, even to the point that they would
support RTG. It would slow them a bit, but not too much, especially remembering
that if they were system friendly, they would run without problems on faster
Amigas. And besides, the most time-consuming things wouldn't slow a bit, only
the screen access, and audio (not necessarily, depending how good the HW audio
routine was.. Check MultiPlayer if you don't believe it.)..
--
Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Subject: substance...
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:59:32 GMT

had anybody here ripped the music from Quartex's "Substance" demo?  I love the music,
but I can't run the demo while telecomputing....

:)

tnx!



Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
From: holmer@rose.eecs.nwu.edu (Bruce Holmer)
Subject: Request for benchmark programs
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:15:33 GMT


This might sound strange, but does anyone have PDP-8 assembly
code for some smallish benchmark programs?  I can write these
myself, but I thought I might check to see if they already
exist....

I'm looking for things like the old Byte benchmarks (circa
1981) or the benchmarks used in the first RISC articles (e.g.
Patterson/Sequin, Computer Magazine, Sept. 1982).  Things
like sieve, sort (quicksort, heapsort, etc.), string move,
string search, ackerman, simple puzzle solvers, matrix
operations, software floating point, etc.  I'll be running
these on a simulator, so I'll just initialize the memory, run
the code, and look at the results in memory (that is to say,
I can do with just subroutines for most of the simple stuff).

Thanks,
--Bruce Holmer
holmer@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
From: holmer@eecs.nwu.edu (Bruce Holmer)
Subject: Request for instruction cycle counts
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:42:07 GMT


Does someone have a table of instruction cycle
counts for a high-end PDP-8?  I'd need to know
about how many cycles the different addressing
modes require and how to calculate the cycle
count for the OPR instructions.

Thanks,
--Bruce
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Request for instruction cycle counts
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:49:24 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <HOLMER.92Dec18174207@rose.eecs.nwu.edu>, by holmer@eecs.nwu.edu (Bruce Holmer):
> 
> Does someone have a table of instruction cycle
> counts for a high-end PDP-8?  I'd need to know
> about how many cycles the different addressing
> modes require and how to calculate the cycle
> count for the OPR instructions.

There were two different memory cycle times on the PDP-8/E (that was probably
the highest of the high-end PDP-8 machines):  1200ns and 1400ns.

An instruction fetch was one short cycle.
Indirect addressing cost one short cycle, unless it was through an
  autoindex register, in which case you pay for a long cycle.
Operand fetch for AND and TAD cost one long cycle.
Operand fetch/increment/store for ISZ cost one long cycle.
Operand store for DCA and JMS cost one long cycle.
JMP cost nothing other than the instruction fetch and indirect cycles.
IOT to omnibus peripherals cost nothing beyond the instruction fetch cycle.
OPR for non EAE instructions cost nothing beyond the instruction fetch cycle.

These figures are for the standard PDP-8 memory, and must be adjusted if
you want to talk about the various strange things that happened when they
abandoned core, particularly, it should be noted that the ROM technology
of the mid 1970's was a bit on the slow side.

				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Request for instruction cycle counts
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:37:50 GMT

In article <HOLMER.92Dec18174207@rose.eecs.nwu.edu> holmer@eecs.nwu.edu (Bruce Holmer) writes:
>
>Does someone have a table of instruction cycle
>counts for a high-end PDP-8?  I'd need to know
>about how many cycles the different addressing
>modes require and how to calculate the cycle
>count for the OPR instructions.
>
>Thanks,
>--Bruce


It's interesting timing that you ask for benchmarks as there is another
simulator soon to make the light of day.  This one is for a *real* PDP-8
meaning it supports peripherals including disks.  It's specifically for
80286 and up machines with HD diskette drives.  The author cannot currently
post to usenet but can e-mail, etc.  He wants representative code so that
he can determine the ratio of PDP-8 to simulator performance using a wide
variety of programs, etc.

Not counting the 6120 cycle time, which is somewhat erratic depending on
which instructions specifically we call out, it's best to stick to the 8/e
processor with static memory for timing.  This is the most common configuration
anyway.

All OPR instructions are 1.2 microseconds each regardless of group or outcome
of any test.

All internal IOT instructions are also 1.2 microseconds unless "stretched"
by a peripheral using the NOT LAST TRANSFER line on the OMNIBUS.  If the
cycle is external, and there actually is a KA8E installed, the cycle will
be stretched my an amount determined by the KA8E, and can be adjusted to
many microseconds to accomodate very long (over 50 foot) external positive
and/or negative busses.

All other instructions are two-cycle and thus take 2.6 microsends, or if
indirect are 3.8 microseconds unless auto-indexed in which case make that
4.0 microseconds.

If EAE is present, various group 3 instructions are implemented that take
a varying amount of time such as long shifts which are shift-count dependent
for total execution time, and there are many different timings for each of the
different instructions.  In some cases, instruction timing can also be affected
by auto-indexing operations, such as when the EAE diagnostic places a
MUY instruction into location 00007 so that the operand pointer is in location
00010 thus causing an auto-index as a "feature".

All of these timings assume no memory collisions such as occur when the
MOS memory cards (DRAM) are used, or if DMA is occuring simultaneously.  There
is no pipelining used, although the architecture would easily allow it.  There
is some instruction prefix optimization in the 6120 implementation, thus
instruction times widely vary with respect to the 8/e.  Some are marginally
faster, yet others are quite a bit slower.

By using a short buss, it is possible to "tweak" the CPU timing to get speeds
about 20% better than this accurate nominal speed (crystal-controlled).  
CESI is/was marketing a replacement VLSI processor that was/is quite a bit
faster, etc.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Seaching Ephymeris & Fixed Stars
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:44:54 GMT
Organization: Brown University
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In article <AAwMc8hiy7@istech.msk.su>, ials@istech.msk.su (ials) wrote:
> 
> Dear friends !
>  Who can help me to get necessary information.
>  It's almost impossible in Russia to find the following:
> 
>  1. The American Ephemeris for the 20th centure by
>     Neil F. Michelsen ( disk variant ) or corresponding
>     software for calculation.
>  2. Fixed Stars (Robinson's system). Any variant you
>     have.
> 
>  I'll be greatful for everyone who will respond for my
>  letter.

Hello Svetlana,

You would be able to get the desired information from the Nova program,
designed by Astrolabe.  I am able to print out ephemerides for the planets
and the asteroids as well as the TNP's.  On the menu is a listing for the
fixed stars and also the arabian points.  There is much more also and if
you like, send me your mailing address to pass on to them & they can advise
you of their European distributor.

Regards, Carol
> 
>                           Svetlana Danilova.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: roignard@tnl.com (geoffrey inget)
Subject: a different question...
Organization: The Northern Lights
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:32:27 GMT


A different type of question but perhaps someone out there will find it
interesting and perhaps even have the answer:

Is there any connection between a person's chart and peculiar sensitivity to 
high pitch noise?  I am particularly sensitive to high pitches and being in
a room with high concentrations of E/M (electromagnetic radiation) can at 
times drive me absolutely crazy.  I am noticing this is a cyclical 
aggravation, so I figured it's a good question to ask you.  (For example, I
am sure to log off right after sending this, because my computer and my 
high intensity light are hurting my ears)

Thanks and I know it's a weird question,
geoff


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu (Astrolog)
Subject: Re: parallel and contra-parallel
Keywords: ASTROLOG, PARALLEL
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:53:11 GMT

In article <20DEC199211045327@vax2.concordia.ca> gautam@vax2.concordia.ca (MUNDKUR, GAUTAM) writes:
>Hi:
>Can any one post what parallel and contra-parallel mean??

Parallel is when two planets have the same declination relative to the
Earth-Sun plane. Contra-parallel is when they are the same distance on
either side of the Earth-Sun plane. In other words, if two planets
have a declination of +1 degree, they are parallel; if one has a +1
degree declination and the other a -1 degree, then they are
contra-parallel. In interpretation parallel roughly means the same
thing as a conjunction, and the contra-parallel as the opposition
aspect. That's really kind of what they are (conjuction and
opposition), just in a plane perpindicular to the zodiac. Since
planets never vary far from the ecliptic, very narrow orbs are needed
here; I'd use in minutes what I use in degrees for the conjunction,
i.e. about 0 degrees 7 or 8 minutes is plenty.

At least this is what I've heard. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Only place where I have heard of this really being used is in the Dell
Horoscope magazine in their monthly "predictions".

>Also, how to use astrolog to know this??

Look at the Decl. column in the standard -v chart listing, right after
the zodiac positions. This gives the declination. If any two planets
have close numbers here, then they are parallel. If they are nearly
the negative of one another, then they are contra-parallel. There's no
automatic way to have the program look for you, unless were to add a
new -gwhatever switch. Note that a parallel aspect can be in place at
the same time as one of the standard aspects. When two objects are
both conjunct and parallel, then they are probably eclipsed of course.

>Thanks
>gautam 

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From: cam@hawk.adied.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
Organization: Australian Defence Industries
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:44:45 GMT

roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

>In article <higgins.14.724383057@rmit.edu.au>, higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins) writes:
>> 	Would anyone know how the planets came to be known by their names. I 
>> would imagine the first five planets got their names from the first 
>> atrologers/astronomers but how did the outer planets gain their names? 
>> Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
>> the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
>> true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
>> to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
>> planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
>> that they would care about astrologers opinions). Would anyone care to 
>> comment? Is it the great collective unconscious taking care of the human 
>> race or should we treat the names as a reflection of us? or otherwise..?
>> 
>> 		Richard


>Richard,

>Joylyn Hill has written with great detail about the matters you are so 
>curious. You can order the book from AFA or your favorite occult bookstore.
>The discovery charts will answer most of your questions.

The planets are all named after Roman gods.

Why don't you just read any good astronomy book?  As for improper naming!
ha!  It's all based on mythology, and naming conventions of solar system
objects are safely in the hands of the International Astronomical Union
(where it should be).

BTW, what would the "astrologers opinions" be?  I'd be interested to know.

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:37:21 GMT

In article <higgins.14.724383057@rmit.edu.au>, higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins) writes:
> 	Would anyone know how the planets came to be known by their names. I 
> would imagine the first five planets got their names from the first 
> atrologers/astronomers but how did the outer planets gain their names? 
> Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
> the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
> true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
> to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
> planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
> that they would care about astrologers opinions). Would anyone care to 
> comment? Is it the great collective unconscious taking care of the human 
> race or should we treat the names as a reflection of us? or otherwise..?
> 
> 		Richard


Richard,

Joylyn Hill has written with great detail about the matters you are so 
curious. You can order the book from AFA or your favorite occult bookstore.
The discovery charts will answer most of your questions.

Joylyn Hill, THE DISCOVERY OF THE OUTER PLANETS (Tempe, AZ: AFA, 1985).

Try also, Robert Powell, HISTORY OF THE PLANETS (Astro Computing Service's 
series on All About Astrology, Number 11), and THE ZODIAC: A HISTORICAL 
SURVEY (same series, Number 3). Both books have extensive reference 
lists. Rupert Gleadow, THE ORIGIN OF THE ZODIAC (New York: Atheneum, 1969) 
is also worth reading.

Regards, Roy



Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: dtauzell@plains (David Tauzell)
Subject: what the hell..
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:57:19 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Even though hell doesn't exist, I would like to know what the hell atheism
is. Don't get me wrong, I realize it is not believing in religion, but I
mean, look at all the articles posted.  I guess I'm not making myself
really clear, but if anyone could enlighten me (although that would be a
jump of faith) go ahead.  Until then I will continue to have a great time
reading all the stupid stuff you write about trying to prove or disprove
god and whatever.  Bye.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (anand hudli)
Subject: Re: Hindu Astro, KETU question
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:54:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.164422.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>Is anyone out there well-versed in Hindu astrology? 	 	 I read
>James Braha's book, but the subject is so complex that I can't answer
>the question I have.
>
>Which is this: on Dec 10, 1993 I will enter a KETU Dasa and KETU Bhukti.
>I assume this will be a rather tricky time, but I can't seem to find
>information that seems trustworthy on the actual effects of Ketu.
>That is, one book says one thing and the next one says something else.
>
>I can look back in life and pinpoint the beginnings of other Ketu
>Bhuktis, and recall what the events were then. But I've never before
>experienced a Ketu Dasa, so this method is not totally adequate.
>
>For all you Western astrologers, Ketu is the Moon's South Node. It has
>considerably more importance in Hindu astrology. Friends of mine who 
>have been to India and actually worked with Hindu astrologers say
>they are incredibly accurate about pinpointing events.  Dasa is a period
>during which Ketu will dominate the subject's life (in this case 7 years);
>and Bhukti is a subset of that during which one of the *planets* will
>dominate (in this case Ketu again -- so double Ketu).
>
>Comments welcome from anyone into Hindu astrology.
>
>Regards, Lou
>

 I have only a very rudimentary knowledge of Hindu astrology but I will
 will throw in my $0.02 worth opinion anyway. The nature of results due
 to Ketu is known from the dictum "Kujavat Ketu" in Sanskrit which means
 that Ketu is like Mars. Also Ketu, being a nonluminous body is said to
 take up the characteristics of the lord of the house, other planets in
 the house and planets aspecting Ketu. These will have to be considered
 in predicting the results in Ketu Dasa. Ketu is also associated with 
 spirituality and salvation (moksha) in Hindu astrology. 

 Anand 
 ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu