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From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: RUSSIA LEAVES THE GULF A WESTERN ARMS MARKET
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:18:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <1992Oct7.081524.18172@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:
> /* Written 12:03 am  Oct  4, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
> /* ---------- "MIDDLE EAST: RUSSIA LEAVES THE GULF" ---------- */
> Title: MIDDLE EAST: RUSSIA LEAVES THE GULF A WESTERN ARMS MARKET
> 
> abu dhabi, oct 1 (ips/christine hauser) -- with russia
> suspending the delivery of submarines to iran, a sale the united
> states claims could have upset the military balance in the
> region, the gulf remains a western arms market.

	"Remains" is misleading, inferring that only western nations have armed
gulf nations.  It is only after the US demonstrated hands-down superiority of
weapons that most middle east countries began obtaining US arms.  Prior to
this, the XSSR, China, and France were the leading arms suppliers.

> oil-rich gulf countries jolted by iraq's invasion of kuwait in
> 1990, have been stockpiling arms from western traders. the
> frenzied buying has sparked off a virtual arms race in the region
> where no country wants to risk being left behind.

	Understandable, given that Iraq has attacked Kuwait again.  (Iraq
attacked a Kuwait border station, probably in respsonse to the new border.)

> according to rough estimates, some 20 billion dollars worth of
> military hardware has been acquired by the region since the end
> of the gulf war. the market is monopolised by the united states
> and its western allies including britain.

	Understandable, given the thrasing that XSSR/Chinese/French weapons
took in the war.  (Although French tanks on the allied side did very well.)

> the sale of submarines to iran was russia's first attempt to
> develop new markets for its weapons. the former soviet union had
> dealt primarily with communist regimes and allies like india.

	And Iraq.  Don't forget where all the AK-47s in Serbia are coming from.

Brett--------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Why the courts don't tell a husband who has been living off his wife
to go out and get a job is beyond my comprehension."--Joan Lunden
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From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Interview with Magic
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:36:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <92279.113711U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.202845.1361@jack.sns.com>, jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best)
>says:
>>
>>INTERVIEWER: Let me get this straight. You had relations with countless
>>women in countless cities?
>>MAGIC JOHNSON: Yes.
>>INTERVIEWER: Unprotected.??
>>MAGIC JOHNSON: Yes.
>>INTERVIEWER: And tell me again why you left the National Commission on
>>AIDS.
>>MAGIC JOHNSON: Bush is being irresponsible.
>
>The above post,if anything,proves the following three facts:
>
>1) Jack Schmidling knows how to capitalize.
    Jim Best
OK, you've already replied to this.

>2) Jack has the ability to confuse Magic Johnson's _past_ irresponsibility with
>his dislike of Poppy Bush's _current_ perceived irresponsibility,as if the two
>were somehow interconnected.

What about Magic's present irresponsibility and what would he know about
Bush's current perceived irresponsibility?
Of the six meetings of the AIDS commission Magic only attended one.
He didn't even stay for all of that one!
(reference a newspaper article earlier this week)

-- 
======== Boyd Johnson    nosc!spectra.com!johnson  San Diego, Ca. ========
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Election Ballot
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:16:23 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <6OCT199208055589@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov+ packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
+In article <1992Oct5.184834.28469@news.unige.ch>, chachere@cui.unige.ch (CHACHERE Lawrence) writes...
+>list ALL the presidential candidates, since it seems that there
+>are a lot of folks out there who truly believe there are only two.
+> 
+
+
+Thanks for posting that list. I was wondering how to learn who
+else was on the ballot, especially after reading an interesting
+article in Nature (British science journal) of September 10 about
+John Hagelin, of the Natural Law party. I had no idea he was
+a presidential candidate.
+
+The Nature article said he is a physicist who has made significant
+contributions to quantum theory, and is now associated with
+the school in Iowa run by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, to the
+irritation of his physicist colleages.

Fairfield, Iowa home of Maharishi U.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 12:59:48 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Interview with Magic
Distribution: usa
 <92279.113711U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Oct9.003614.3996@spectra.com>

In article <1992Oct9.003614.3996@spectra.com>, johnson@spectra.com (boyd
johnson) says:
>What about Magic's present irresponsibility and what would he know about
>Bush's current perceived irresponsibility?
>Of the six meetings of the AIDS commission Magic only attended one.
>He didn't even stay for all of that one!
>(reference a newspaper article earlier this week)

OK,you may have a point about his not showing up,but the point of Jim Best's
quote (unless he _was_ commenting about Magic's no-shows,in which case he'd
have a point) was to insinuate that Magic couldn't criticize Bush's perceived
irresponsibility vis-a-vis AIDS policy because _he_ had messed around to the
point of contracting HIV himself. In other words,if Best was making a criti-
cism based on Magic's past sexual irresponsibility,that sort of criticism
seems a bit dense as Magic will have to pay for that behavior for the rest of
his life. If he was criticizing the no-shows,fine.

Damn. I should've known I'd have to read that other post that Best wrote to
find out the context of the shorter one.... >:(

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: mspayer@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mike Payer)
Subject: Re: I like this !!!!!!!
Reply-To: mspayer@PacBell.COM (Mike Payer)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:14:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.003300.291@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.215745.27198@jack.sns.com>, jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best)                          writes...
>>                 FOREIGN CARS BANNED FROM CITY HALL GARAGE
>> 
>>Flint, Mich. --- If you own a foreign-made car, your wheels aren't welcome
>>any more in the City Hall garage.
>>        Mayor Woodrow Stanley issued an order Friday say only American-made
>>cars will be allowed.
>>        His idea was to make sure city workers remember where much of the
>>tax money comes from that pays their salaries --- General Motors Corp.
>>        "He believes we should buy from the people who feed us," said James
>>Makokha, the city's governmental policy director.
>>        GM, the Flint area's largest employer, has about 50,000 salaried
>>and hourly workers in the area. The automaker has also cut about 30,000
>>jobs there over the past decade.
>>        The garage, which has about 40 spots, is used by department heads,
>>middle managers, secretaries and City Council members. The ban begins
>>Monday.
>
>The only question I have is,"What took them so long?" Also, why 
>hasn't Detroit and those other car producing cities done the same? 
>
>>I heard it all on my radio         | 0 -(....) 0 |    uunet!jack!jsb
>>         
>-Garrett

Do you really think this is legal??????????????????????????


	MSP 
				......SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: I like this !!!!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:20:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <1992Oct7.215745.27198@jack.sns.com+ jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:
+
+                 FOREIGN CARS BANNED FROM CITY HALL GARAGE
+
+Flint, Mich. --- If you own a foreign-made car, your wheels aren't welcome
+any more in the City Hall garage.
+        Mayor Woodrow Stanley issued an order Friday say only American-made
+cars will be allowed.

Would my car be allowed? I have a '77 Mustang. The car was built at
the Detroit Rouge River plant, but the engine was built in Cologne, Germany.


-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best)
Subject: I like this !!!!!!!
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:57:45 GMT

                 FOREIGN CARS BANNED FROM CITY HALL GARAGE

Flint, Mich. --- If you own a foreign-made car, your wheels aren't welcome
any more in the City Hall garage.
        Mayor Woodrow Stanley issued an order Friday say only American-made
cars will be allowed.
        His idea was to make sure city workers remember where much of the
tax money comes from that pays their salaries --- General Motors Corp.
        "He believes we should buy from the people who feed us," said James
Makokha, the city's governmental policy director.
        GM, the Flint area's largest employer, has about 50,000 salaried
and hourly workers in the area. The automaker has also cut about 30,000
jobs there over the past decade.
        The garage, which has about 40 spots, is used by department heads,
middle managers, secretaries and City Council members. The ban begins
Monday.
___________________________________________________________________________
                                   \ /        \  /
I had a seat in the very first row +-------------+ 
I heard it all on my radio         | 0 -(....) 0 |    uunet!jack!jsb
                                   +-------------+                         
___________________________________________________________________________


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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel)
Subject: Re: Cresote Source ?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:24:48 GMT

tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:

>My father-in-law (he was a maintainer on a railroad for 30+ yrs)
>burned used railroad ties (creosote treated) in an open fireplace
>in his home for many, many years.  I don't recall anyone in his
>family being adversely affected.  I also don't recall ever seeing
>any termites around his house :-)

Yech.  I'm still trying to decide whether the :-) applies to the
whole article or just the last sentence.  Cough, gasp...

Robert Enenkel
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Thistles
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:27:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID


 eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth) writes:
>  You will find it difficult to do by hand.  The best method, IMHO, is
>  to build, borrow or rent a field sprayer.  Go out and mow the pasture
>  and then go back and spray the entire pasture with whatever weed spray
>  is recommended for thistles (I forget what we used :-).  You will probably
>  have to do this 2-3 times but it will be effective.  We did it to 15 acres
>  that had turned almost entirely to thistles and had nice grass before
>  summer's end.  The next year it just took some spot spraying with a hand
>  sprayer to keep everything in order.
and later...
> Per the AG specialist at our local Extension Service, mowing thistles will
> _NOT_ kill the root.  The root will simply send up a shorter stalk for the
> next batch of flowers and the leaf base (at ground level) will spread.  
> To eliminate thistles (which are a BIG problem here in Missouri), you will 
> have to kill them with some type of herbicide.
>  
> Susan
> 
 I have to agree with Susan here.  In my experience with bull thistles
and Canada thistles, mowing simply causes them to grow shorter and thicker,
crowding out any grass near them.  In an area that is almost entirely 
thistles, mowing turns it to solid thistle leaves, and residual seeds from
earlier years will come up the next year.  I have seen other varieties die
from mowing, so it depends on what type you have.  The above two types only
die by spraying or digging.
 I also believe that sbishop's posting needed a big IMHO.  It's nice to
avoid chemicals if you can, but it would be naive to believe that will
eliminate your (or your horses) exposure to them.  The alfalfa and oats
grown around me are often sprayed with herbicides or pesticides as well
as the potatoes, so it seems to me that unless you control the production
of everything you consume you'll end up with exposures anyway. 
 Personally I dig the few thistles that show up in our mature pasture.
In our new pasture, which came up heavily infested with some unknown
broadleaf weed, I sprayed it after the grass was old enough to handle it
and stopped the problem early.  
-- 
 Greg Darnell    Amdahl Corporation    143 N. 2 E., Rexburg, Idaho 83440
  UUCP:{ames,decwrl,sun,uunet}!amdahl!tetons!gnd          (208) 356-8915
  INTERNET: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com
From: dheisler@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Dave Heisler)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: a grave yard story
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:20:40 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University


   This happened to a member of the family
   so it's not just a rural myth :-)

  This guy was mowing along a fence row out by a old
  mostly forgotten grave yard. As he was driving along and
  a completely nude woman raised up from one of the stones
  and waved to him.

  After nearly cleaning out a section or two of fence he
  stopped the tractor. Seems  this lady travels with the
  circus (which was in town), and during the day she would
  go out and find old remote graveyards where she could sunbathe
  in privacy.

  He never had to mow that row again, cause after telling this story
  an almost constant stream of pickup trucks wore the grass clean away.

d.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon ... psychohistorian )
Subject: Re: Thistles
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:53:39 GMT

In <1992Oct9.143118.18982@samba.oit.unc.edu> london@calypso.uucp (Larry London) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.192036.22146@infonode.ingr.com> knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight) writes:
>>Well thankyou Darrin, for setting everone straight.  Now if you'd
>>only not shout so much ;-), well must go now, off to spray
>>some more Round-Up (tm) to knock out this rain forest growing
>>im my pasture.

>Don't forget to wear your toxic spray protective mask.

and rubber gloves, and properly dispose of your clothing when done.

bill pociengel
ok. so i've been busy.
--
llbi locgeenpi " i'm a little confused right now"
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: kendall@sceng.ub.com (Greg Kendall)
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES For The Farm
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:08:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.183256.1740@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

... alot of blithering deleted ...

>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
>                                   B.S., Physics, UW-EC


This guy recently posted his bovine exhaust on a beekeeping mailing list.
Somebody (a sysadmin) posted a followup saying the guy is a well known
crackpot around where-ever-it-was who insists that it is his 1st amendment
right to post this stuff where ever.

Best just ignore him, IMHO.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: ktk@capybara.nas.nasa.gov (Katy T. Kislitzin)
Subject: Re: Thistles, and Weeds in General
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:03:17 GMT
Reply-To: ktk@capybara.nas.nasa.gov (Katy T. Kislitzin)

I discovered, quite by accident, that thistles are the national flower of 
Scotland.

-- kt
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From: london@calypso.uucp (Larry London)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: proposed increase in inheritance tax
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:27:25 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <MS-C.718836170.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:{o1k{xGn>I don't see what you
are all upset about with the change in inheritance tax.
>After all, it is the responsibility of those of us who work for a living to
>support the unproductive.  After all, it's all our fault for living in a rural
>area, presuming to own land, living in a house, and being self-sufficient.
>The only politically correct way to live is in a one-room apartment, using
>public transportation, and living on the government's dole.  It's our national
>shame that those who refuse to work are living out in the streets.
>
>Now that it appears likely that we will have a liberal government again, we
>can dispense with the foolishness of self-worth, self-sufficiency, and being
>productive.  Happy days are here again for the self-appointed `intellectual
>elite'.

Beautifully put! (Loud round of applause).
From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: proposed increase in inheritance tax
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:06:19 GMT
Distribution: na, usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <1992Oct13.222725.20970@samba.oit.unc.edu> london@calypso.uucp (Larry London) writes:
>In article <MS-C.718836170.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
>mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:{o1k{xGn>I don't see what you
>are all upset about with the change in inheritance tax.
>>After all, it is the responsibility of those of us who work for a living to
>>support the unproductive. After all, it's all our fault for living in a rural
>>area, presuming to own land, living in a house, and being self-sufficient.

Wow, I'm impressed.  This guy is so self sufficient that he doesn't need
the fabric of society around him.  He made his own terminal, his own network
connections, and even the electricity to power it.

He doesn't benefit from anything the government does for him.  The 
transportation system isn't needed to help bring goods and services to his
door.  He never travels on airplanes, cars, etc... so the NTSB is
not important to him in one wit.  He never consumes foreign goods and services,
so the customs office is not needed in his life.

He is never going to be hit by a natural disaster, and even if he was,
he would refuse help by FEMA.   He didn't learn anything from public education,
and he doesn't benefit one whit from having public education available to
his kids, his grandkids, or to the hundreds of thousands of people who
make my life liveable.   He is beyond needing the public library.

Apparently he doesn't see the need to support the Armed Forces, because
he is so self sufficient that he can do that too.  

The court system?  Don't need that... just shoot 'em all and let God sort
'em out.

Yes,  it is good being totally self sufficient.   I really admire those
people who are self sufficient, and don't use any of the benefits of
our society. Whenever I contemplate cutting my ties to society, I find
that i consider the benefits too imnportant to loose.  But I guess I'm
just a wimp.
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: the end of civilization (a bit long) was Re: proposed increase in inher
Date: 16 Oct 1992 07:35:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


    Search for the Wild Crap:

Bill Pociengel writes 

  > what i thought .... was that you were one of
  > those folk who jumps in here periodically spouting
  > off some wild crap and then wonders why they 
  > get picked on. re see the past thread on weedeaters
  > and greenhouses.

That sure sounds like a reference to myself.  I started
the discussion on weedeaters which went on for quite some
time, pro and con and I quite enjoyed the debate.
I also suggested some wild ideas about greenhouses and
large domes such as Biosphere 2 could be set up in
northern climates, again it was a great debate.

So that makes me a =spouter=  who =jumps in=  and
lays down the wild crap.
I'm honored.  thanks bill.

mike romano.

-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Thistles, and Weeds in General
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:15:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> 
> I discovered, quite by accident, that thistles are the national flower of 
> Scotland.
> 
>

The story, as I remember it, is that Scotland was at war with someone or
another (the English?).  The enemy was sneaking up on the Scottish camp
just before dawn in order to attack them while they slept.  One of the
little sneakers stepped on a thistle and cried out, alerting the Scots
who leaped from their beds and carried the day.  Or so the story goes...

John

P.S. This happened a long time ago.... before boots were invented :-)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Subject: creosote(again)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:41:41 GMT

OK, folks, you've got me worried.  I did my
semi-annual chimney cleaning and took out a
bucket-full of creosote.  Now, how do I dispose
of it.  I've always just dumped it out in my
ash pile (which I sometimes throw on the manure
spreader).  If creosote is toxic, how do I dispose 
of it? (anyone want to buy it?).  BTW, how do
different folks clean chimneys?  I just get up on
the roof and brush it good from the top and then
take my stove pipe off and empty the cleanout.
Any tips would be appreciated
--
Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
804-924-7409

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon ... psychohistorian )
Subject: Re: Thistles, and Weeds in General
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:16:43 GMT

In <D2150035.fts62h@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:


>In article <1992Oct9.190317.26147@nas.nasa.gov> (misc.rural), ktk@capybara.nas.nasa.gov (Katy T. Kislitzin) writes:
>> I discovered, quite by accident, that thistles are the national flower of 
>> Scotland.

>Also, a number of birds love thistle seeds.  

>Thistles aren't all bad.

till you or your small children fall into them.

bill pociengel
--
llbi locgeenpi " i'm a little confused right now"