HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jim@cs.uow.edu.au (Jimmy Naumovski)
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:22:23 GMT

A sufferer writes:

>There seem to be many techniques, valid or not, used to relieve this monthly
>ritual of pain.  I suffer from a paralizing one almost every month.

>Please share with me (e-mail please, I do not feel like discussin this in
>public) what you know, and what you heard of.  I am sick of taking pain
>killers.

>Thank you.

I think your wrong there i know heps of ppl that would love to know of a
method of stopping the pain. Therefore I think public postings would be more
helpful.

Jim
From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:01:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Statistical "proofs" (Was Re: women in engineering ( help..))
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: soc.women

In soc.women, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
  In answer to:
    # anyone who has completed a college degree has proved he/she is

> Or was from a sufficiently well-off home to be able to finish college,
> or had the good fortune to find part-time employment to get through
> school.

I do not believe that "good fortune" is the operative here.  I worked at
many jobs to put myself through college (including house_cleaner, babysitter,
ironing, sewing, selling theater tickets, etc.) and never had trouble finding
more work someone was willing to pay for.  I went to summer school instead of
FortLauderdale, and took an extra semester to get through but "where there is
a will, there is a way".  I wouldn't recommend this as the first choice
for anyone who has the option of having school paid for by their family or
a scholarship but people who do not finish college and then whine that they
couldn't afford it do not get my sympathy.
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:50:02 GMT

>In article <stricher-090992110150@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> 
stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>>
>>I'd like some feedback from women on this - would do you think of
>>prenuptials?

I agree with Sue Larsen; I think prenuptial agreements are just fine,
especially for people who've been working for a while and have accumulated some
belongings of worth.  My personal feeling regarding prenuptial agreements is
that they can clarify quite a few issues, thereby protecting all parties
involved.

Katie
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician)
Subject: Re: Missed Opportunity....
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 10:04:49 GMT
Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli

Michael...a person with *no* brain activity isn't alive.  There are
many systems within the brain...a comatose person has some brain
activity going on.

If this hypothetical disease you speak of causes complete cessation of
brain activity, then that person truly is dead, not comatose.

-- 
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: masmith@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Margaret Smith)
Subject: Children
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:43:28 GMT


Hi

I am pregnant with my first child and would appreciate any information of any kind that you may have to offer.

Thank you.

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From: fap@crosfield.co.uk (felix power)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: How to relieve menstural cramp
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:29:14 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <zukor.716251122@blacks> zukor@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Karen Zukor) writes:
>>A sufferer writes:
>
>>>There seem to be many techniques, valid or not, used to relieve this monthly
>>>ritual of pain.  I suffer from a paralizing one almost every month.
>>>Please share with me (e-mail please, I do not feel like discussin this in
>>>public) what you know, and what you heard of.  I am sick of taking pain
>>>killers.

I've had a lot of success with Mefanamic(sp?) acid, brand name Ponstan. I have
a couple of friends who get on well with it too.

I take them like painkillers but the specialist who prescribed them said they
inhibit the production of prostaglandins (hormones which make your tubes etc.
"wriggle", using up lots of oxygen and causing the cramps) and so don't just
cover up the pain like a painkiller. They don't just stop the pain but all
the other symptoms like as feeling weak and dizzy and nauseous. Also make
the period lighter which is handy.

If that sounds good, see if your doctor thinks they'd be O.K. for you.


-- 
  o____                
 (}:^)      Felix   
  8----
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: how to tell a good programmer
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <SK73171.92Sep9230315@korppi.cs.tut.fi> sk73171@cs.tut.fi (Kiiskil{ Sami) writes:
/There isn't any easy way to test if
/someone is a good programmer or not. If he has good papers it however is
/more likely him to be better than someone with poor grades. Hiring a
/person without any papers is in that case more like guessing.

I've both interviewed for and been interviewed for programming positions. The
number one way to tell if a programmer is any good is to ask them to bring in
a sample of their best work (presumably a source listing). Then, ask them to
walk through and explain it to you.

This works like a charm. When I am the interviewee, I don't wait for them to
ask, I trot out a listing and show it off (I have always got an offer!).
You'd be amazed at how asking for a sample separates the bull from the gold
real fast. Especially when a programmer with "15 years experience" cannot
produce a single listing!

Having the applicant go over the work serves to:
o	Demonstrate that it really is his work!
o	You get an idea of his style, and can decide if you can work with that.

Sadly, I am not aware of a *single* other interviewer besides me who has ever
done this. (Microsoft's interviewing is famous for asking trick questions and
logic problems, not for looking at your work.)

Resumes are nearly useless.

(Having a degree demonstrates at least one thing: a person is capable of
finishing something. Actually finishing software, that last 1%, is crucial
to success, and I look for somebody who has a track record of finishing.
I have no use for programmers who lose interest and quit on the home stretch.
Dropping out of college their senior year is a red flag.)
From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:34:50 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

In soc.women, jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood) writes:

 >  Wisconsin law determines child support abligations differently, and IMO
 >  it is the scariest legistlation imaginable. Child support is determined
 >  as a percentage of the NCPs wages. The amount of support changes each
 >  pay period. If you worked overtime and were compensated for it, that
 >  income would also be factored. They take XX% of gross wages every 
 >  pay period. 

This sounds strange to me.  It does not appear to factor in the CPs wages at
all.  In California, the support level is based on the ratio of the wages of
the two parents.  Does the law look at the NCPs overtime but not the CPs?
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen)
Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:19:20 GMT

In article <stricher-090992110150@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>
>I'd like some feedback from women on this - would do you think of
>prenuptials?

Think they are alright.  No problem with them. In fact, were 
I to remarry, I would draw up a contract regarding the 
disposition of my family's things to guarantee that my 
daughter would get all that I have promised her.  My family 
has gotten the dirty end of the inheritance stick due to 
second marriages too many times for me to allow it to happen 
to my child.

>What do your non-net women friends think of this?

Most would be horrified.  I have a lot of romantic-
minded women friends.  My sisters, though, are very 
practical and would have no problems with pre-nups, 
either signing 'em or drafting 'em.

Sue Larsen
slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: elee7n8@jane.uh.edu (Sheng, Hugo T.)
Subject: ***WILL SOMEONE TELL ME THE ADDRESS AT WELLESLY PLEASE***
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:05:00 GMT


I am desperately trying to find the mail/telnet address at Wellesly College.

Can someone please e-mail me the correct address, thanks!

Josh
inde7et@jane.uh.edu

PS (posting from friend's acct.)
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: menstruation
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:54:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

I don't know whether (generic alert) native american cultures socialize
men and women separately, but my best guess is that a woman being 'on her
moon' is a thing more openly known in those cultures.

since menstruation is a thing which happens to women (in truth), it
would be interesting to socialize boys and girls more closely around
it so they would be mutually aware and aware of the other's awareness,
and there wouldn't be a stigma, and boys will grow up with a bit of
awe and respect which they seem to have to get wise to suddenly,
if at all, when they are older. it would give them the chance to
integrate at an earlier age. one of the best learning experiences
relates to knowing what you are by seeing what you aren't.

i have far more radical proposals, but these must wait.
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Hmm... (was: Lioness method (monthly))
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:03:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.women
Distribution: na
Organization: Murasami Labs

In article <1992Sep4.194108.19862@mdd.comm.mot.com>, booth@mdd.comm.mot.com
(Greg Booth) wrote:

> Warning: The following article describes various self
> defense methods against rapists and other attackers
> of women. The methods discussed are harsh, and definitely
> not "politically correct".
> 
> NFA COPYRIGHT. THIS MATERIAL MAY BE COPIED AND DISTRIBUTED
> BY ANYONE IF THE ENTIRE TEXT IS USED.

Uh, no. I'm using bits and pieces as a review type article.

>  \/  /		FOR WOMEN ONLY:
>   \_/
> 		THE LIONESS METHOD OF RAPE PREVENTION


Why is this aimed strictly at women? Would it not be effective
if a man applied it? Does NFA *assume* that men can take care of
themselves because they are *men*?

If I recall correctly, at least in the US, men are 3x more likely
to be physically assualted, and something like 7x more likely to
be murdered. I'm not sure on the # of sexual assaults that men
suffer - it's even more under reported than sexual assaults on
women.

Oh, yea. Somewhere in the article, there is an push for gun
ownership for protection. I have no problem with that, but 
offer an admonition: never pull a gun on someone unless you
intend to kill them.

Set followups as desired....

K'Char
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician)
Subject: Re: Another right to not
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:47:37 GMT
Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli

In article <1992Sep9.130005.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>In article <ygsn3#k@lynx.unm.edu>, bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes:
>> You're going to have to define what it is to be a human that separates
>> us from other beings that we kill without a second thought.

>  I _CAN'T_ define what is or is not human, and neither can you or
>anyone else.

Now...I don't know about that.  I've just finished _The Dragons of
Eden_ and Sagan does make a pretty good point:  What separates us from
other beings is our intelligence...which is related to the development
and functioning of the neocortex.  Obviously, full development can't be
required since that doesn't come for years after birth, but is it
really impossible to determine when the neocortex is functioning
"sufficiently enough"?  (Agreed, this can't be claimed by a numerical
date since conception, but why not take an encephalogram?)

>> In truth, the question comes down to whether or not the fetus has the
>> right to the use of the mother's womb without her consent.

>  But, does the mother retain the right to "evict" once consent is given?
>In my own case, the pregnancy itself was entered into willingly; she changed
>her mind afterwards? And if a woman promises (explicitly) a child in
>order to enter into a marriage, does that not imply that consent has
>been given?

Good questions.

-- 
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Smart Women/Smart Men
Date: 7 Sep 92 05:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <73740009@hpsad.sad.hp.com> sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:
/As to the "in her head" bit -- if so, why are air-heads so popular?  Where
/are all the men who want something in my head?  As an engineer with some
/other smart women freinds, I can vouch for the fact that (on the average),
/men do not appreciate much in there.  Maybe you were referring only to
/personality?

Much to my disappointment, a wonderful woman I was dating broke off our
relationship. One of her big reasons (so she said) was it was obvious that
I was smart, and she felt inferior/intimidated by that.

I suspect that people want to date people with about the same level of
intelligence as they have. Smart people are less common than average people,
so your smart women friends are meeting mostly less smart men.

A woman friend of mine who I asked for advice on this asked me how I felt
when I dated a woman smarter than me. I replied (naturally) that I didn't
know since I never met one :-) :-) :-)

(Actually, the truth of the matter is that the women I have known that were
smarter than me would never have anything to do with me.)
Xref: sparky soc.women:16373 soc.men:16199
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
Subject: 3 year old kidnap/burning victim released from hospital
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:02:06 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: ivler


  Just announced on the news:  The little boy who was kidnapped and set
on fire by his mother's lesbian lover last May was released from the hospital
today, October 9th.





<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  Middle-Aged Mutant Ninja Animator   |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  I don't care what their problems were, you just DON'T torch little    |
|  kids!  A crime like hers DOES justify the death penelty!              |
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician)
Subject: Re: Male/Female Wage Differences
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 10:50:39 GMT
Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli

In article <1992Sep5.005701.8920@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>So, 1800/1500 is the same as 1.2:1.  My ex2b nets $1.20 for every dollar
>that I net.  Of course, all that money that I give her is not for her,
>but for my children

Yes, but if you weren't giving the money to her to spend on the
children, wouldn't *you* spend it on the children?

I guess what I'm saying is that all of this stuff about earning "x
cents for every dollar" is often fraught with undefined statements.
If you had custody of your children, would you say you netted $1500 a
month or $3300 a month?

And it is that attitude (that if you are the one taking care of the
children, the money you spend on them isn't really a "burden") screws
NCP's over.  If the NCP is the one who has to fork over most of the
dough to support the kid, shouldn't the NCP be the CP?  Your situation
seems to be an example...you seem to be shelling out more in child
support than your ex2b is making, period.  You seem to be the one who
is taking on most of the burden.  Therefore, shouldn't you be the one
who has custody of the kids?

-- 
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Re: 3 year old burn victim goes home
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.170600.24662@news.nd.edu> slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen) writes:
>What I find surprising about these stories is the fact that Edna got 
>33 years for a "domestic" crime.
>
>One thing that has boggled me is how the criminal justice system seems 
>to lay out harsher sentences for crimes committed against strangers 
>than for crimes committed against family members.  As example, there was
>a news report about a man who killed his daughter, by his own admission 
>to spite his wife.  This was in Florida.  The trial court sentenced him 
>to death.  The appeals court overturned the death sentence because the 
>crime was against a family member!
>
>Anyone who commits such acts against their children, or any child, 
>should, in my opinion, be subjected to the full force of the law.  
>
>Sue Larsen
>slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu

Reminds me of Phyllis Schlafley, darling of the radical right, testifying
before a congressional committee (shown on C-SPAN) against battered
women's shelters and child abuse programs.  She said these interfered
with the sanctity of the family.
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

        "Giving power and money to the government is like giving 
         whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."  

		- P.J. O'Rourke, former gulf war correspondant, summing
		up what he learned during two years of research on how
		our government functions.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: adi@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Adina Tumageanian)
Subject: The role and rights of women in post-revolution Romania
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:57:05 GMT


-- 
A.T.
The Ohio State University 
Electrical Engineering Dept.
Room 204 Dreese Labs
2015 Neil Avenue
Columbus, OH 43210


Hello,

My friend is doing a study on the role and situation of women in Romania after
the revolution of 1989, as compared to before the revolution.  Any information or
possible sources of information would be greatly appreciated.

A.T.
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:41:49 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <73740037@hpsad.sad.hp.com> sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen) writes:
>In soc.women, susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman) writes:
>  > My partner's lawyer told us that if we married (in CA, a community
>  > property state ) that our family income would be counted in determining
>  > child support. 
>
>The spouse income is only counted if it is greater than that of the natural
>parent.  This way, a waitress who marries an oil-baron millionaire will no
>longer need support from her cook ex-husband, for example.
>I would check with your lawyer again -- my guess is that your ex could get
>the support changed even without marriage if you are living with someone
>"rich".  I wonder if pre-nups (i.e. "I will not support her children")
>would help any?

I've been waiting for this to come up because a friend of mine just
attended a wedding shower this past weekend, coming back with information
that was news to me.  Both individuals had been married before.  I don't
know if she has children, but he does and pays child support to his ex,
the CP.  This being California, in order to protect the bride's assets
from becoming joint income, thereby boosting the amount of support the groom
would have to pay the CP, the bride and groom have a pre-nuptial agreement
keeping all of her income and assets seperate from his.

What an unreal situation.  "Will you marry me, oh and by the way, your
income will now contribute to the support of my children from a previous
marriage who won't happen to be living with us." (for _whatever_ reasons)!
The system really stinks.
-- 
Linda V. Hill                           Email: linda@net.com
Network Equipment Technologies          Phone: (415) 780-5785
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Redwood City, CA 94063
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Private Question
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:11:48 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

I would like to ask a personal question to a woman but want to ask it privately
and in strict confidence. I am badly in need of information and advice. If you
have time to answer a question please e-mail me at

MCSWEINBERG@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU

Rai.

Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu (susan larsen)
Subject: Re: 3 year old burn victim goes home
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.124249.17068@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.054627.25349@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.141250.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>>>
>>>|   Cal me silly, call me barbaric, call me irresponsible, but it occurs |
>>>|  to me that torching a small child justifies the death penelty in the  |
>>>|  slowest and most painful manner allowed by law.                       |
>>
>>The man who did the same thing to his son served something like 6
>>years and is now out of prison.  I think the law (in California) has
>>changed since then and the penalty for something like this is much
>>harsher (as it should be, imo).  Six years and his son will serve a
>>lifetime of pain and disfigurement.
>
>(Lancaster) - Edna Engle, 46, was sentenced to 33 years in fail for the
>murder of her son, 4.  The child dies by scalding.
>
>####End of article
>
>Source: USA Today, September 10, 1992
>
>Apparently the judge, in sentencing Edna Engle to 33 years, figured out
>some way to stipulate that she do most of that time in prison.
>According to the Radio show I listened to this morning, she won't be
>eligible for parole for 28 years.

What I find surprising about these stories is the fact that Edna got 
33 years for a "domestic" crime.

One thing that has boggled me is how the criminal justice system seems 
to lay out harsher sentences for crimes committed against strangers 
than for crimes committed against family members.  As example, there was
a news report about a man who killed his daughter, by his own admission 
to spite his wife.  This was in Florida.  The trial court sentenced him 
to death.  The appeals court overturned the death sentence because the 
crime was against a family member!

Anyone who commits such acts against their children, or any child, 
should, in my opinion, be subjected to the full force of the law.  

Sue Larsen
slarsen@berlin.helios.nd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.sex.wizards