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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:24:40 GMT

In article <16873@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.120925.12713@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>
>>	I have an MD, and an RN.  All your favorite people.
>
>Which doesn't prevent you from being an IDIOT.
>
> -km

	But it could imply that you are.  I mean when I was backed into
	a corner, I provided resources that you find credible.  And
	so you prove that there really is no "right" answer I could
	give.  You just stonewall, hoping that I won't be able to
	"come up with the goods".

	And then there's the person who analyzed Dr. Rapp, and 
	criticized her test methods.  Interesting how one holds
	up members of the medical community to tough scrutiny when
	they hold an opposing opinion, but there is no similar
	questioning of the others who peddle ritalin.

	You might say, "Well they do it because it is approved".  And
	you would be completely right.  Doctors are bound by some
	higher thought processes to stick with what is "approved".
	So arguing a fact that, "the entire medical community supports
	it", is true, but a poor arguement.  It's a matter of convention
	for them.  Not a matter of deep study.  They see the behavior,
	they try an "approved" pill.  Doesn't mean the know shit about
	the why's and wherefores.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Going out to eat with a 2 year old
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:20:02 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

I have the same restaurant problem with my 20-month-old. She
just loves restaurants and wants to run among the patrons
and offer them a fork dripping with some sauce. My solutions:

--avoid restaurants until she's older
--when I want a family restaurant experience, I take her to
a restaurant that is very understanding and allows toddlers
to roam. You know you're in the right place when a waiter walks
up with a smile and offers you a basket of toys for the kid.

--when you're going to a restaurant just because you're too pooped
to cook, order take-out.

--sure-fire restaurant coping technique: let her pour all the
sugar packets out of the basket and put them back in. This keeps
my little rascal entertained for ten minutes.

Janine Schenone
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kathyj@pyramid.COM (Kathy Johnson )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:45:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <sasdvp.718293375@skydiver>, sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips) writes:
|> day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >My sister went to a urologist named Dr. Hurt.      - ouch!
|> 
|> >This could go on forever ;->
|> 
|> ...and I'm not going to try to stop it! ;-)
|> 
|> My dentist is Dr. Grinder.....his partner is Dr. Ferri !
|> 
|> --
|> David Phillips         sasdvp@unx.sas.com
|> Cthulu for President - Why choose the lesser of two evils?
My dentist is Dr. Hau.
I saw an economist or financial advisor on TV the other day whose last name was
Swindle.
-- 
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       Does not bite.

       kathyj@pyramid.com
From: tallys@violet.berkeley.edu (T. Costantinidis;200 Calif Hall;;;1607)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fisher-Price car seat recall
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:41:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu
Summary: another car seat model recalled

I discovered when I called Fisher-Price that the
model 9149, the infant car seat, also has a recall.
For more details you can call Fisher-Price at
1-800-233-4004 from 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. eastern
time (USA).

Teresa C.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: corr. between overdue/c-sec.
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:05:34 GMT

The recent threads about meconium in amniotic fluid brought back some
questions I have about the correlation between post-term pregnancies and
complications. I my case, routine monitoring when I was 2 wk post due date
indicated possible problems. I ended up with a C-section because of fetal
distress (without going into labor). The "explanation" I got was that the 
placenta gets old after 40 weeks and doesn't function well, also that 
the amniotic fluid volume decreases which leaves the cord more vunerable 
to prolapse (i.e., the baby was leaning up against the cord from time to
time and cutting off his blood supply so his heart rate dropped). 
Fortunately, this was happening infrequently so he was perfectly fine at
birth (hadn't passed meconium either).

Does my explanation make sense? How often do post-term pregnancies (meaning
1-2 wks post due date) end up with C-sections? If (when) I get pregnant again
is it likely for me to be overdue again?

I'd be interested in learning from some discussion on the correlation between
"overdue" pregnancies and complications. I've been watching this newsgroup for
a few months and haven't seen this topic discussed.

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| Mary Beth Northrup                    "In the house and on the street .. |
| (mommy to Sean, 15 mo.)																	how many, many feet you meet!"   |
| EMN002@email.mot.com                                   ---  Dr. Seuss    |
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: Clare DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization:  Cuz I'm a Blonde!
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:37:43 GMT

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
> [the most truly astounding load of BS deleted]
>
>>Goodbye Clare (waving) Have a nice life (waving) You won (waving but getting
>>smaller) You stuck it out the longest(waving real small) Don't forget to
>>shut out the lights *blink*....
>
>  Ah... Big Bad Clare beat you up, wah wah wah.

In yer dreams, dear lady. I'm just wondering...usually dissertations have to 
be defended...how on earth did you manage it when you've shown here you
couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag?

   Tyger
-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break 
 
                       
        
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: quinn@EE-CF.Stanford.EDU (Christine A. Quinn)
Subject: Funny things they say - 6yo
Keywords: bath
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:40:41 GMT

My son was about to take a bath last night and he yelled
from the bathroom:
"Mom, you cleaned the bathtub too much!"

I of course asked why he would say that.  His reply was
that he couldn't tell how far to fill the tub (no more ring!)

Okay, I know my house-cleaning is a little shoddy since the
second one(now 11 months) was born, but I didn't know it was
that bad!


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Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Lisa S Lewis)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:22:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.181400.8744@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:
 
>
>Finally, I would like to reiterate that there is no point in
>suspecting an allergy unless there are symptoms such as asthma,
>hives, diarrhea, gas, vomiting, signs of malabsorption, eczema or
>hay fever.  Some researchers think that allergy can cause enuresis;
>others don't.  There are some fringe doctors who think that allergy
>can directly cause psychological symptoms, but there is no clear
>evidence that it does despite several efforts to find correlations,
>and most books I've read maintain that only the symptoms of allergy
>may exacerbate coexisting psychological symptoms which are due to a
>separate problem.
>
 
I hate people who aren't keeping up with a thread and then jump in, but....
I do have one anecdotal experience which *seems* to negate this reasonable
sounding paragraph.  I am watching my baby's development very carefully,
because his older brother has autism.  At nine months I put him on whole
milk (he was breast fed for five months, and had been on cow's milk formula
for three.) He became very fussy, and spit up a lot, so I decided that he
couldn't handle the milk.  Then it occurred to me that he might actually
have problems with cow's milk, but it was much more subtle. That is, he
didn't seem to have trouble with his formula, but I became worried. So I
put him on soy, just to see what would happen.  Within two days, he began to
babble like mad, and that was something I was beginning to really worry
about since my older son never babbled "properly." And though I had never
noticed that he was particularly fussy, within a two week period he was
much, much happier and much less fussy.
 
I realize that this *could* be coincidental, but I don't believe it. There was
too profound a change. The professionals I've consulted (child development
specialists and speech pathologists, not doctors) agree that it would be
foolhardy to put this child back on milk.  But the point is that he didn't
show any real "signs" of allergic response.
 
I know that most doctors don't believe in "brain allergies," but I really
have to wonder myself.
 
Lisa
 
P.S. I also took my older son off formula and on to milk at nine months.  I
can pinpoint the deviance from normal development to somewhere between nine
months and a year, but no closer than that. While I don't know if there is
a connection (he does show allergic signs, severe dermatitis, asthma) I have
taken him off all dairy for a six month test.  While I certainly don't expect
to cure him even if milk was an etiological culprit, I am looking to see if
we get any improvement at all.  So far I've not noticed any, either in his
behavior or his allergic skin.  I guess we'll try to eliminate something else
if the milk is a dead end.  Any suggestions can be addressed to me via e-mail!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bakers@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 33709
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:18:55 PST
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:30:39 GMT

lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:

> In article <ki2isB1w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richa
> >
> >There could, and probably should, be a whole thread on this point.
> >Is it an old wive's tale that kids who fight back never get picked
> >on, or is that moderated by how well you do it or how hard you
> >hit?  What does "do it better" mean in this context?  Did you ever
> >land a punch?  Did they have any force behind them?
> 
> 
> In my case I was the principal's son in grades 5-8. There were a
> a couple of bullys who precipaitated fights with me and they
> never bothered me again when I fought back. Can't say I ever
> landed a decent punch either. My explanation is that they
> figured the principal's son had to be a dink and wouldn't fight
> back. When I did that was all I had to prove, I didn't have to be
> a GOOD fighter, I just had to have nerve enough to try.

You mean just prove you were a "regular guy?"

Were you "different" in any other significant way?  E.g., race or
ethnicity, disability, social class, "inappropriate" interest
(such as poetry or cooking), etc.  Were you a "showoff" in class?

I wonder if we aren't sometimes mixing apples and oranges, if
those cases where "fighting back" seemed to work aren't really not
cases of bullying at all but some kind of hurdle or test that is
applied to people in situations like being the Principal's son.  I
think minister's sons are sometimes faced with the same thing.

If somebody knew enough to have an idea when a kid would be better
of to fight back and when that would make things worse, they'd
have the beginnings of knowledge in this area.

--
Richard Carlson
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Xref: sparky misc.kids:26233 soc.culture.asian.american:9644
From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:25:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-1586]: caesar


>In article <67389@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>   Only... ONLY 760 out of 800 on math? That's one smart cookie. I want
>>   to remind everybody that Asian women get Math SATs just as high as
>>   white males, and maybe this is a good occasion to ask why this is so.

In article <LAUNCE.92Oct16112245@apollo.med.utah.edu>
launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:

>	Why Arthur, it's genetic, of course... 

Uh, the explainations I've heard are that:

1) When one Japanese child does better than another Japanese child,
   it's because the first worked harder.

2) When Japanese children as a whole do better than American children,
   it's because Japanese are a genetically-superior race.

3) When American black children do worse than white children
   it is because math tests are culturally discriminatory,
   and thus it is racist to make use of the results.

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

fs@cs.tulane.edu
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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bvv1Bz.FAv
Distribution: na
Organization: Indiana University

jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

>clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

>>> I tell ya what when some kids continously take Dylans lunch money and
>>>the school can't do anything about it because it occurs off school grounds
>>>and you can't get any cooperation from the parents you just put some
>>>tights on old Dylan and tell him to hide under his desk till his
>>>Mommy gets there. Have a nice life Dylan.

>>  My my, getting homophobic too?  What's wrong with wearing tights?
>You see homophobes in your sleep.

There's nothing wrong with wearing tights.  But sending a boy to
school in tights is probably a good way to get him beat up or worse.
You could try it sometime, maybe with someone else's kid.  Or you
could send your husband to the office in tights.

(The 'homophobe' comment was totally unwarranted IMO.  
 Do you always associate tights on men with homosexuality, Clare?)
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:03:35 GMT
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.

My wife had a (female) gynecologist named Dr. Cox.

-- 
Andrew Siegel			D. E. Shaw & Co., New York, NY
abs@deshaw.com			(212)478-0231
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Soothing Dad's ruffled feathers
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:59:53 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


I think that it's unfortunate that some men interpret the idea of a 
doula as an attack on their competance.

My husband was extremely grateful for the presense of our doula during 
my labor. She coached him in what to do, as well as interacting directly 
with me herself. 

He didn't know what to do when I was in pain and nothing he could remember 
to do seemed to do any good! Why would anyone expect him to? How many 
times do you take a class that meets maybe a dozen times, if that, and 
then expect to be an expert on what to do, even when things are different 
from what you expected? In any other part of life, you'd get a DEGREE to 
know as much, but for childbirth, the man is supposed to become an expert 
in just a few short classes!

Our doula came over to our house and taught both of us how to handle the
situation. Matt got the opportunity to go to the bathroom and even 
alternate with her in taking naps, instead of attending me all by himself 
for the first 40 or so hours of my labor. Our doula did not try to replace 
his part in coaching me, but rather made his part much easier for him to 
take.

If I were a man, the husband of a pregnant women, I wouldn't even HEAR 
of not having a doula to help me do my job!

My husband was more important to me in labor, emotionally, than the doula, 
but I would have had a lot more pain, fear, and lack of control (my 
real nightmare) without the doula.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Cute things they say - 4 YO
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:22:06 GMT

Mitchell is learning the pledge of allegiance at pre-school.  He taught it
to me last night.

"First take the hand that is close to the window and put it over your heart
like this.  Now sing with me the United States of America Song.  I pledge
allegiance to the flag that children have to wave up and down and back and
forth all the time; the flag of the United States of America.  And God is
invisible, you know."

I melted!


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rmorey@utrcv1 (Randall Morey)
Subject: Embarassing (!) things they say
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:47:00 GMT

My neighbor, a bank teller, told us this one:
One day, a woman and her little girl (4 or 5) came into the 
bank. The little girl started acting naughty, and the mother
reprimanded her. The little girl said, "No! And you better
be nice to me or I'll tell grandma I saw you kissing Daddy's
peepee!"

The lady and her daughter quickly left before they even got 
to the window.
----------------------------------------------------------

Here's a funny one my 3YO son said (he has 2 older sisters
who can read):
"Mommy! Daddy is so clever! He can read, and he doesn't even
have to say 'Mommy, what does this word spell?' "

Randy Morey
United Technologies Research Center
East Hartford, CT
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Brethine & pre-term contractions??
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:48:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

First, Brethine is the tradename for terbutaline, which is generally
the tocolytic of choice. I was on it up until a week ago to stop
preterm labor which started at 30 weeks. Since you are not on bed rest
and your contractions are 10 minutes apart, I guess that you are on
a low dose and probably don't feel many of the side effects. 

I didn't have time to grab my PDR on my last day of work, but I do
know that terbutaline is not approved as a tocolytic in the US. There
is only one drug which is, but that drug is considered the last choice
because of the effects on the mother and baby. 

Hope this helps.           Carol
From: bl@pacersoft.com (Bill)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: FYI - Diaper Rash Info
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:04:37 GMT
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

I have posted in the past that Hydrocordisone and a cover of Vaseline worked
well on diaper rashes.  Well, it works well on certain types of diaper rashes.
My son acquired a pretty good rash the other day, so, being the rash
knowledgable guy that I am, I promptly applied what I though would be the
answer to his problem.  Oh no, no, no...the rash got redder and spread.  I
called the 24-hr CVS pharmacy and he clued me in on the probable type of rash 
my son had.  The pharmacist said if it spread after applying Hydrocordisone, 
then he probably has a fungal infection and Hydrocordisone will just exacerbate
the problem.  He recommended that I use, Desatin or Micatin.  I used good'ole
Desatin and the next morning, my son was a happier camper.  Still rashy, but
it seemed to be under control and definitely NOT spreading.

I am not totally turned off to Hydrocordisone because of this due to the fact
that it was the only medicine which worked on a previous rash which was very
bad.  BUT, I will probably start off using Desatin and if that doesn't work,
then I'll try Hydrocordisone.

Hope this helps the rashy ones in your life...

Bill (father to Chase 23 months)
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronco.1992Oct8.163733.1
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division



There is a police captain(?) in Chicago named Dick Tracy.

I knew an Alan Wrench in grade school.

I worked with a Mike Hunt (say it out loud, kinda fast)

Now if my first name was Christopher...  The day we celebrate as
Columbus day (Oct 12) should actually be Oct 23, which is my birthday.

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From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Late roll over
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:51:11 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Oct6.183301.8141@research.nj.nec.com> sunita@research.nj.nec.com (Sunita Hingorani) writes:
>Hi,
>  My son who will be 5 months on the 16th hasn't shown any signs of rolling
>over.  Has anybody else had similar experience?  Can it indicate a problem?
>
>Thanks....
>
>sunita


Relax, it probably means he doesn't feel like rolling over yet.  My 
oldest son rolled over at about 4 months, but my second son didn't
roll over until he was 6 1/2 months old -- he was a late walker, too.

As I'm sure you'll hear, this stuff varies tremendously from child
to child, and doesn't mean a thing in terms of later physical development.


Peggy