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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Howarth Overload
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:58:55 GMT

In <lsmith.717898184@myria> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>I was looking over the new titles for this week and it looks like we're
>facing a serious Matt Howarth overload. The collected Changes from Heavy
>Metal that Tundra is putting out and two issues of Those Annoying Post Bros.
>(issues #26 and #27). 

Damn!  Another long-awaited treat from Tundra!  Whatever else you can say
about those boys, they have *exquisite* taste.

                           "The discovery of God in a hole in the polar ice
                            cap by a pair of punk rockers does not disturb
                            your governments' conscience in the least."

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Frank Robbins (Re: Liefield stuff)
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:56:56 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <143560009@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>
>When I was a kid and actually used to read a lot of comics,
>there was an illustrator named Frank Robbins who I absolutely
>detested.  I could not figure out how he was in the business
>either.

I hated Robbins, too, his follow-up i 'Tec to the Man-bat series was
criminal.  But he was already known before he got into comics, he
wrote/drew one of the daily strips at the time (I forget which one,
tygger?) and wrote a few pulpy paperbacks.  I thinked he was hired
primarily as writer and talked his way into drawing.  He was awful at
both, IMO.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"SKKRRREEEEEEE!!!"
   --- Man-bat
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
From: pstrem@the-sap-pitt.East.Sun.COM (Paul Strem - Sun USOPS WSU Production)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Hellblazer & McKean
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:13:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 1817@news2.cis.umn.edu, lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> >He also did one issue of Hellblazer.  You might want to 
> >look for them in the back issue bins next time you visit your comics
> >store.
> 
> Hellblazer #27, also with Gaiman. Good luck finding it. It can be quite 
> scarce depending where you look for it. 

Dave McKean also did the interiors and cover for Hellblazer #40, the issue 
before the "Dangerous Habits" story arc.  Does anyone have a list of the 
stories in Hellblazer??  I'm not looking for annotations, just recomendations.  
	I just finished the Trade pb and am in the process of picking up 
back-issues, but I'm not having much luck finding #27 either.  I have found 
#25 & 26 written by Grant Morrison in the bargain bins!



					    ^
				The Flea   / \^.
					  ^
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Keywords: Endless, animals, relations
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:31:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.718313509
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
>	This topic was mentioned previously, but the latest issue
>adds to our tally of the Endless' animal companions. 

>	Dream                     ravens
>	Despair                   rats 
>	Destruction               dogs

Appropriate - the Dogs of War.

>	Although I know that supported speculations about Delirium's
>animal of choice (butterflies?)

I'd say definitely.

>and maybe Destiny's have been made
>before, I can't for the life of me remember and I'm too lazy to check.

How about an owl, or an elephant?
-- 
The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them.
     -- Lenny Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mkelly@doofus.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23: Afterthinks
Reply-To: mkelly@doofus.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:20:51 GMT

 number6@milton.u.washington.edu (John Drake) writes:

|> 	For my money, I'd say that MM *isn't* Moran ... but he used
|> 	to be.  He started out with exactly the same memories, and 
|> 	therefore exactly the same feelings ... but since he has a 
|> 	brain that is structurally different, both physically and 
|> 	chemically, he gradually became a unique individual.  IMHO.

Hmmmm, this comes the closest to how I see the situation, but I'll still
argue that they are the same person, albiet with slightly different brain
chemistries. I would *love* to see Gaiman look into this, especially since
every original Miracleperson had a *brain implant* to switch between bodies!
Let's see what happens when one of those babies goes bad! (or maybe we 
already have....muahahaha...)

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                  + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Grendel -- how many issues?
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:44:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.050919.792@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>In article <rawdon.717648105@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>> In <1992Sep27.184425.1@gacvx1.gac.edu> alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu writes:
>> >I know of the B&W 3 issues, and have 1-40, but Overstreet lists issues
>> >41-43.  [...]
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure they were never published.  [...]
>
>Ut!  The original series ENDED at #40.  There were no more.  The new
>Grendel series from Dark Horse starts at chapter 41.  Make your own
>conclusions.

Maybe Overstreet conflated the 3-ish Silverback mini with the series?

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"Holy Wednesday...the day when the Passion according to Saint Luke
   is read.  This proved impossible, though, when it was
   discovered that Grendel had planted a homing beacon in
   St. Elvis Cathedral that attracted the Tower's entire
   pigeon population to roost there overnight"
     --- Matt Wagner
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
............................................................
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 34 repost again
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: sandman annotation
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 21:02:01 GMT

> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Inherit the Elmo) writes:

[stuff about Doran, Pratt & Giordano]

Neil Gaiman: "George Pratt went on holiday before he finished inking the book.
             Dick Giordano simply inked the last four pages, going for a style
             similar to that which George had used."

So, who wants to give Doran a sharp knife and George dead in a bath?

Tanaqui

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 05:24:08 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>> I ran a comic shop during the B&W boom and I certainly don't remember
>> Fantagraphics buying into any of the sleazy fast-buck trends that were
>> going on at the time.  
>
> I remember several animal-type books.  One of them was dog-boy and
> another had some sort of a rabbit as a character I think.  I would have
> to go back and look at an order sheet from the era to be sure about
> titles . . .

Get back to us when you have real titles, then.  I remember Steve Lafler's
Dog Boy as being published by Cat-Head Comics, not Fantagraphics, and the
book predates the B&W boom by several years.

During the '86-'87 boom-and-bust, Fantagraphics' stock-in-trade was titles
like Love And Rockets, Journey, Threat!, Lloyd Llewellyn, Neat Stuff,
Critters, Dalgoda, Border Worlds, Particle Dreams, and of course Amazing
Heroes, Nemo, and The Comics Journal.  If they were publishing any of
those for a quick buck, they were publishing the wrong books.  You might
have a gripe about their reprints of John Byrne's Doomsday Squad material,
but that's about as far as it goes. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.135531.230916@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>>This brings up a question. The only scripts I've seen are the Sandman scripts
>>published in the third collection and over in the late r.a.c. Those were
>>fairly descriptive of what each panel should include. I wonder if Moore
>>does this sort of script and whether such a script would make McFarlane's
>>job easier or more difficult.
>
>I think much more difficult.  McFarlane is used to working off of very compact
>scripts (PAD, Michelinie), and Moore is VERY precise and detailed.  This,
>perhaps, will show McFly what a real script is, and in turn, what discipline
>is.

I'm hoping this is his motivation, if we can believe what he says in
his text pages, he knows he's not a very good writer and is anxious to
improve.  I don't know how anyone could draw scripts by Moore, Gaiman,
Sim and possibly Miller and not learn a *great deal* about scripting
(no that knowledge is an adequate replacement for talent).  I
personally don't believe McF is anywhere near that arrogant.  I don't
understand the discipline complaint.  I'm not that big a McFarlane
fan, just playing devil's advocate, BTW.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"We better get a *big* increase in circulation out of this, Sim...
 Cerebus feels like a *fool* ..."
   --- Cerespawn 
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: MISC: Endless poster on Roseanne 9/29
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.023322.11754@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.010450.1108@raven.alaska.edu> ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) writes:
> >
> >I NEED a Death watch, though.
> 
> And to think there are people in Northern Minnesota who can only get X-titles.
> Eric, Eric, surely you meant to say you WANT a Death watch...

Wait!  Perhaps he meant he needs a "deathwatch".  This is a cry for help!
They may be walking him to the gallows this minute!  Call the governor!

	-d "Incredible Man-with-no-Life wannabe" p-

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: LSH #35
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:55:38 GMT

In article <y_!p1kg.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Is that thing on Dirk I's back his exposed spine?

Anyone notice how normal-colored pieces of skin kept appearing in different
spots?  Is he regenerating, and will recover as soon as someone decides to
dunk him in water so he doesn't keep burning off all that new skin?

(Or is it just bad art?)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 01:59:28 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

(Correction: I know I probably got Halliwell's name wrong, but it's too
late to finesse over it.  Hey, I contain multitudes, okay?)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: SANDMAN on Roseanne
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:51:09 GMT

Did anyone else notice the Sandman Endless poster hanging in
Darlene's room during the Rosanne episode last night? 


Mike McKellar


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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH : Form Application Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:17:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <BvpCJo.AD1@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
> What is meant by Word Character and Non-Word Character?
> And when will I get Alt.comics.LNH?
> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!
> 

This was cleared up in the Alt.Comics.LNH group, and I thought it was
cross-posted but I guess we missed some.  Anyhow,  It's not a Word Character
Its a Writer Character.  I misquoted Scav and it confused everyone.  A
Writer Character is a character that actually cooresponds to someone on
the net.  This means we keep them alive... (Except D"D"D he's got enough
characters!)  Its like in a RPG when you had a PCs and NPCs, only we don't
"Play!"  (HEAVEN FORBID!  THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF!)  We Write!
			
					wReam...
				  Ultimate Ninja!!!!

P.S.  Privelages of being a member of the Alt.Comics.LNH!!

P.P.S.  DVANDOM, Please put LNH: in the front of your LNH stuff, so that
I can pick your's out faster.  Errrr... Forget that, I read all your
postings anyway! :)


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Assorted Weirdness for Christmas (or the Solstice)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:55:45 GMT

So I'm paging through the December catalog from a distributor (no need
to give them a free plug) and the number of swell gifts for the winter
holidays is just staggering. Ready?

Milk and Cheese Poster. The "Merv Griffin!" page from their first
collection. It's in full color this time. $5

Ren and Stimpy plush dolls. Also a talking Stimpy. The talking Stimpy 
says one of six different phrases when you pull the hairball out of his
throat. Happy Happy Joy Joy. $24.95/each for the plush toys, $49.95 for
the talking Stimpy.

Sam and Max Stuff. Sam and Max Cloisonee pins with either Sam and Max or 
just Max. Sam and Max T-shirt as sold at San Diego. Sam and Max Window
Sticker with "Protected by Sam and Max, Freelance Police." Pins are $5.95
each, T-shirt is $14.95 and $1.50 for the sticker. As Max says,

"Sam--If all the world gave their loved ones precious gifts such as these--
 we'd be up to our puffy white butts in ill-gotten royalty dough!"

More Ren and Stimpy stuff. Rude noises Ren or Stimpy and a talking Ren. 
The rude noises dolls fart when you squeeze them. $24.95. (Missed these
the first time through.)

A new Stephen King novel. Big deal.

Tintin print "On the Road". Has Tintin and Snowy driving a Mercedes 
along Route 66. I love these Art Moderne prints, but $39.95 is a little
out of my price range.

Punisher Watch. It's got a stop clock, alarm, day/date/time readings,
world time conversion, oversized dial, skull emblem on the watch band.
So where'd they hide the high explosives and the big gun? $24.95

Felix the Cat baseball cap. The perfect gift for anyone with a lot
of baseball caps (just in case any of my friends are reading this).
$14.95.
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: vernard@cc.gatech.edu (Vernard C. Martin)
Subject: Avengers Charter
Reply-To: vernard@cc.gatech.edu (Vernard C. Martin)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:12:48 GMT

I remember a few years back that a copy of the official Avengers charter was
published in the back of one of their comics. This was before the existence
of the West Coast Avengers branch. I know that I have the issue but I don't
feel like wading through a 100 or so issues looking comics trying to find it.
If someone knows off hand what issue and can tell me I would be eternally
grateful. I want this information because I am the GM for a superhero FRP and
we would like to use that as an example of a good charter for a super hero
group.

Thanks folks.
V

Vernard Martin (vernard@cc.gatech.edu) Georgia Tech College of Computing 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.superman
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Lake Elmo, MN)
Subject: Re: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!!
Organization: Calm Blue Water...and a Muskie the Size of Boise
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:38:58 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct5.182732.11381@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> Each Mx sits in front of a lever, and they confront Supes
> thus: Two of the levers are electrified, one is not; two of the imps are 
> lying, one is not.  Supes gets one question, and what he asks is, "Which of
> you is holding the non-electrified lever?"
> 
> Mx 1: "My lever contains no jolt."
> Mx 2: "My lever contains a jolt."
> Mx 3: "Number one's lever contains a jolt."
> 
	This is easy:  Find the imp who tells the truth.  Solution after the
blank lines and ^L


















> Mx 1: "My lever contains no jolt."
> Mx 2: "My lever contains a jolt."
> Mx 3: "Number one's lever contains a jolt."

	If #1 is the truthteller, then his lever is safe.  But so is #2's.
Therefore, #1 is a liar.
	#2 cannot be the truthteller, as #1 and #3's statements conflict.
	If #3 is the truthteller, then #1 is lying and lever 1 is wired.
#2 is also lying, and lever 2 is NOT electrified.  Lever 3 must also be
electrified and this does not conflict with any of the known statements.
This is an entirely consistent solution, and the other two possible solutions
are eliminated, so #3 is the truthteller and lever 2 is the safe lever.
	QED
-- 
"If a man of good will, like me, could get his hands on this new bomb, I'd     
show those who live by the sword.  I'd drop that bomb and I'd force peace      
right down their bloodthirsty throats."--Hon. Deacon Mushrat, "Pogo"           
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)

PS:  Master's defense in 14 hours.  I'm a basket case.  Wish me luck, folks.
From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:07:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Sep29.210732.846
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence) writes:
> This may seem like a fairly basic question: But why do so many
> people on this net send the same posting six, seven or even
> 15 times on the same day???? Is what they're sending so earth-
> shattering that they're afraid someone in Zimbabwe might have
> missed it?
> C'mon folks, don't tie up the net with repeats. There's enough 
> interesting NEW stuff to talk about.
> 
> 				Signed,	
> 				Capt. B.J. Smegma
> 				Chancellor of
> 				Her Majesty's Redundancy Police
> 
> 				(actually it's me, Saint, I'm just
> 					being picky again.)

I don't know what you mean.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Hero Alliance
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:43:32 GMT

Okay, whose new costume shows more than head and maybe hands?  Not Kris, nor 
Tawny nor Delphi nor Renee, nor the Gemini Plus, nor Hover (nor would we desire
that) nor Argent nor...gee, I ran out of Alliancers.  You may be confusing with
Star Girl or the early costume designs that were rejected.  Note also that the 
only costumes with alot of skin showing that actually got off the drawing board
were Kris's, and she's bulletproof (her costumes need to be armored just so she
doesn't set Bob's hormones off after every fight).  All of the new HA costumes 
actually cover enough body to be creditable defenses.  Okay, Tawny's looks lacy
in places, but I would bet they'll claim clear cloth over the lace if pressed.
     And Star Girl?  Well, she looks to have a force field or something, so 
even if she were offered a miracle cloth costume she'd likely turn it down.
     Note: Kris and Bob do not have Miracle Cloth costumes.  They have 
sturdier-than-spandex stuff, but are allergic to Miracle Cloth.
     Dave Van Domelen, read thru #17 again last night and sighed wistfully at 
Pearson's artwork back when he could get an inker that complemented him
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Malibu vs. Image (nothing to do with image or malibu)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:17:48 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

>      BTW, IMO UPC stands for Ugly Picture in Corner. }->

		WHAT!!!  What exactly does this MEAN?  It wouldn't be the
picture of Ultimate Ninja vs. Acton Lord,  would it???  Is this how you
critique my art?   

>      Dave Van Domelen, "Don't make me come down there...." Ted Koppel as played
> by Dana Carvey

I still prefer Jan Hookes as Hillary Clinton.  She is such a spaz!
(I am of course not telling which person of the above sentence I am refering 
to ...)
						wReam...
					     Ultimate Ninja!

P.S.  Is the Invisible Incendiary around?  Hmmmmmm...

:)  < --- As always!
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Savage Dragon (Image) and Robo/Term (DH) have been printed.
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:05:08 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Sorry, I didn't buy either so I don't have any details.

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