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From: plw@bart.ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Reply-To: plw@bart.ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Subject: WANTED: Harley Ultra Classic (ne)
Keywords: 


WANTED: 1990 or newer Harley Davidson Ultra Classic

(Boston's North Shore or Southern N.H. areas only please)

Would prefer all the extras included:(CB, extra chrome, stereo with
cassette, extra lights etc.)

Please send e-mail to me directly with info.
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From: plw@bart.ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Reply-To: plw@bart.ll.mit.edu (paula l ward)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Subject: WANTED: Harley Ultra Classic (ne)
Keywords: 


WANTED: 1990 or newer Harley Davidson Ultra Classic

(Boston's North Shore or Southern N.H. areas only please)

Would prefer all the extras included:(CB, extra chrome, stereo with
cassette, extra lights etc.)
Don't need helmets.

Please send e-mail to me directly with info.


WANTED: 1990 or newer Harley Davidson Ultra Classic

(Boston's North Shore or Southern N.H. areas only please)

Would prefer all the extras included: CB, stereo with cassette,
extra chrome and lights etc...
Don't need helmets.

Please send e-mail with info. to me directly.


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:38:27 EDT
From: <BJH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women who wish to ride, take heart

*APPLAUSE*

< Fine article by John Stafford deleted.>

I agree with every word he said!  Just try to drop one you can pick back up.
:-)


Brian
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:52:41 GMT


All new Harleys are in short supply just about anywhere this time of
year.
As to 883 vs 1200: Definitely buy the 1200 if you can afford it. It is
the fastest stock bike Harley makes these days, as opposed to the 883,
which is a real slug due to noise and pollution controls.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Belt Drive Sportsters
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:26:01 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

This message is primarily intended for those who own '91 and later
Sportsters with the belt drive secondary but probably applies to all
belt drive models. After about 9700 miles, my '91 XLH-1200 started
making a horrible gear-grinding noise coming from what sounded like
the transmission, but turned out to be the belt sprocket on the output
shaft of the tranny. All the splines had stripped out. Apparently the cause
was two-fold: 1) the sprocket had not recieved sufficient heat-treatment
hardening after the splines were cut and the big nut that holds it on had
loosened due to the single hex head bolt which is used to lock the big nut
in place. For the '93 model year and as a replacement part, Harley now uses
a retaining plate that is held in place over the big nut with three small
hex head bolts. The moral of this is if you have one of these models, you
probably better check the front belt sprocket regularly (every 3000 to 4000)
miles to be sure that it is tight. You may even want to remove it to inspect
the condition of the splines. Mine was fixed under warranty but it almost
prevented me from going on a long-planned vacation trip through the Ozarks
in Arkansas/Missouri. By the way, after the fix, the bike performed
perfectly throughout 1700+ miles of Ozark mountain riding !!!

Keepin' the shiney shide up!!
Neal Howard
'91 XLH-1200
========================================================================
From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:59:46 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


My husband bought a Sporter 1200 last April, 92.  Fortunately for us,
we just walked in and bought one.  = )  But now he's talking about getting
a bigger bike and wants me to learn how to ride so I can have his 1200.

I make a great passenger, but I'm a little leary of actually learning
how to ride.  Heck I won't ride my bicycle on the streets. = )  Any
advice from male or female riders?  Pro's or Con's welcomed.  I do know
about the Motorocyle safety drivers course.

Thanks in advance,

Jennifer Brown
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:19:37 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug18.041237.1415@afterlife.ncsc.mil> wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Willaim Pemberton) writes:
>if you have been riding for awhile, you might want to opt for the
>1200.  The extra seems to be worth the money.  If you are new to
>the road, go with the 883.  All the pep you will need for now.
>You will want to upgrade later (or sooner?).  The last I heard,
>the sportys were going belt, and 5 speed.  you might want to wait
>for that.  later.  peace.

No need to wait.. my '92 883 XLH is belt drive and 5 speed alread... and I've
owned it for 8 months.  Funny thing about the 1200 though... in my owner's 
manual it outlines the BHP ratings of the various bikes, I guess Harley only 
bothers to print one "catchall" owner's manual and I noticed that the 1200 was 
only rated about 5 horses more than the 883??? What gives? Mind you I'm in 
California, where the mandatory emissions stuff chokes off some serious 
horsey power anyway but... is the 1200 *really* only 5 BHP more than the 883? 
Or did I misread that... I can dig out the manual again and recheck it but it
sticks in my mind because it seemed really odd to me... then again... on a bike
5 horses is probably a lot! Also, I've been toying with the idea of getting 
more juice out of my 883... I've seen a lot of discussion about drag pipes here
on the net and I'd be curious if they are as efficient as they are reputed to 
be and what *else* needs to be done to my 883 to get that 10% BHP boost they
brag about in their ads? 


-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: WITCH HUNTERS! was RE: RMH vote results.
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:35:58 GMT

In article <92233.090827ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> 
ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca (Mike Mychalkiw) writes:
>Greetings netters, or should I say witch hunters,
>I post once and a while but mainly lurk. And when I saw the vote for RMH I
>figured the more votes I could get the better. So I asked a couple of people
>here to help out. You know, political canvassing.
>As I say to anyone who pisses me off, and to those who are on this witch hunt
>BBBB IIIII TTTTT EEEE     M    M EEEE  !!
>B B    I     T   E        MM  MM E     !!
>BBB    I     T   EEE      M MM M EEE   !!
>B B    I     T   E        M    M E     !!
>BBBB IIIII   T   EEEE     M    M EEEE !!!!

For an appropriate response to this post, please read article
<1992Aug21.152237.12837@ncsu.edu> in news.groups.

I don't need to bite Mike, since he's already been bitten. :-E

Steve Garnier - DoD #00000005 - '79 XS1100SF w/ 157K+ miles and *climbing*
KotF (Flame),  KotAM (Anecdotal Motorcycle),  The Daemon's Byte
       Contrary to popular belief, I am not the Devil's advocate...
                  ...but I am his speech writer.
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:54:23 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug18.233231.8505@news.eng.convex.com>, caban@convex.com (Jane Caban) writes:

| My point is you may want to get a lighter bike (like a 500) to learn on,
| and sell it after a few months when you're ready for the 1200. 

  I think that may be pretty limited experience unless you ride a lot.
People learn a lot about driving in the first 100-200 hours (as in
airplanes) and your chances of having to pick up a bike go down a lot
after that.

  I also recommend crash bars for smaller riders, although I think
they're a good idea for anyone. If you can't lift the bike while it's
laying on your leg, they make a lot of sense, and they do give some
protection against bad drivers in cages, at least at low speed. They are
also cheaper to replace than skin if you have to lay it down in an
emergency.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: karen@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Karen Spragle)
Subject: Re: Reality Check: Someone broke away from HD?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:17:15 GMT

In article <Stafford-180892141110@134.29.65.250>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford) writes:
> 
> True?  Someone (Kokesh?) left HD to start his own company
> using Evo engines and his own frames, etc?  Supposedly he
> is located in Milwaukee.  Huh?
> 
> 

True
His name is Buelle.  His bikes are called "Buelle"s.  He started out
using the sporty (k-model?) engine, but that didn't work out too well,
so he graduated to the Evo.  He uses different carbs, tires, seats, etc.

They had "Buelle's Club" meeting at the MC races at Road America recently.
They look similar to them foreign bikes with lots of plastic on 'em.
 Except,they say "Buelle, American Motorcycle" on the tank.

They had one taken apart, so you could actually see the engine.  it
was pretty attractive.  They only make about 3,000 a year (or was that 300?)
I'd take one if I could afford one.  (that is after I get my '42 UL)

-Karen
From: gartrell@usc.edu (Fred Gartrell)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Hog Catalog (mag or listing of for sales, groups, events, etc.)
Date: 14 Aug 1992 19:58:29 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

My brother-in-law is dying to buy a Hog and wants all kinds of info.
Specifically, who's selling and where.  I'm sure that there is some
kind of national magazine or newsletter that would offer such info.

Please email me.
gartrell@usc.edu

Thanks in advance.
















Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: jeffl@sequent.com (Jeff Lindorff )
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:36:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.041237.1415@afterlife.ncsc.mil> wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Willaim Pemberton) writes:
>if you have been riding for awhile, you might want to opt for the
>1200.  The extra seems to be worth the money.  If you are new to
>the road, go with the 883.  All the pep you will need for now.
>You will want to upgrade later (or sooner?).  The last I heard,
>the sportys were going belt, and 5 speed.  you might want to wait
>for that.
>--

The '93's are belt drive ...  been 5-speed since '91 and a wait of 6
months or so is not uncommon in these parts.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Lindorff                           Internet: jeffl@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
15450 SW Koll Parkway - COL1-110        PHONE: (503) 578-4176
Beaverton, OR. U.S.A.  97006            FAX:   (503) 578-3242

Opinions expressed here are not those of Sequent Computer Systems.
From: rhasse@sparkle.tnis (Rick Hasse CT90)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: MC group traffic -- velly interesting
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: rhasse@sparkle.tnis
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 713720748@convex.convex.com, mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
>(Whole boring thing deleted)
>
>So what does any of this have to do with motorcyling?
>
>Did I miss something?

Matt,

I can't believe you missed the relevance.  Just imagine if you had one or three
testicles.  You would have to seriously consider which side of the bike to hang
the "odd ball" so as not to throw off your balance.  Lord have mercy if you 
forgot and hung all three on one side.  There's an accident waiting to happen! :-)
From: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: 883->1200 (was Re: Sportster availability.)
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:10:09 GMT
Reply-To: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Originator: bcasper@c00477-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <29d103bc66Ki00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug18.202620.9146@ryn.mro4.dec.com> dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com writes:
|>>
|>>You can convert an 883 motor to a 1200 motor for about $500-600
|>
|>This is something I had not heard before! Really, give me details. I love my 
|>883 but it *is* slow for passing and highway riding. I could never outrun the 
|>cops on it :-)  Tell me more... please! 

Check out the Harley Accessory catalog.  All of the parts are available direct
from HD as part of the Screaming Eagle performance accessories.  Basically,
you swap the pistons and jugs from a 1200 onto the 883 bottom end.  Fairly
straightforward conversion...  I'm pretty sure you use the same heads.

If I remember correctly, checking the specs between the 3 size motors shows
the 883 and 1200 have common stroke length, and the 1200 and 1340 have common
bore diameter.  My guess is the 1200 was an easy cross between the two.
-- 
-- 
Brian Casper                |   "I like to study psychologists.  It gives
bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu        |    good insight into what rats are thinking."
  Pinball Consultant        |     -  Dr. Oscar Wesler
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Yet _another_ fraud for your Harley
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:57:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Organization: MSUS

Well, the fake kick start for late model Harleys
wasn't enough so someone just came out with
FAKE PANHEAD COVERS for the Evo.  These babys
don't even look like Panhead covers and they
cost a whopping $700+!

These should make Yuppie and Wannabe spoting
much easier.
From: wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Willaim Pemberton)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Buying a newer harley.
Keywords: softtail buy sell cheap
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:07:53 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Well.  Price depends on a lot of things... the time of year,
the type of bike, the condition of bike, the hunger in your 
eyes, the hunger in their belly.  Seriously.  The best advice
I can give you is to check the blue book value, watch the 
papers to see who is selling and watch for long standing sellers.
LOOK at the bike hard.  I mean get on your hands and knees and
check under the bike, the footpegs (if the bike went down the
pegs may not be very straight at the frame...), sit on the
bike and check out the handle bars for straightness, if you have
a license and the seller will let you test it, ride the bike.
It's your money, check the bike out and if you don't like it,
walk away from it.  They can't force you to buy a bike because
you look at it.  Christ, i'd have bought a hundred by now.
Buying from a dealer can give you a little more security and
peace of mind.  A dealer can still screw you over but you have
potentialy more legal attacks available.  Not for certain but just
maybe.
I bought from an independent seller and was very pleased.  A friend
of mine bought from a dealer and was suprised to find no highway pegs
on the delivered bike when the displayed bike had them.  Just a note
of caution, always get the dealer to state exactly what is included
with the bike you buy.  Its, your money.  Just check things out as
well as you can to be sure that the sweet deal is not nutrasweet.
Also, spend some time in the parts department.  If you see a bike that
needs a "little work", this time can be valuable when you start guess-
tamating what the real price tag will be.  For example, you need to
replace the mirrors, controls, grips.  $50 for mirrors (depends on make)
$20 for grips, and pfa $70 for the controls brings the total to $140.
A little work, a good hunk of change.
And don't forget inspection fees and title, tag and sales tax.  I am
not trying to discourage you.  I didn't figure the last in and had to 
pay 300 in title, tag and taxes.  ouch.
later.  see you on the road soon.  That'll be me on the red '85 fxwg.
-- 
wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil      "Wrong word. FACT!"  John Wayne
73 de ka3yyr cul
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:25:06 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

>said it would be a 3 month wait.  He eventually ordered the bike from a 
>HD dealer in Lancaster, PA.  He had to put about 1/3 down before they
>would order it for him (approx. $2700).

This is WRONG...He had to put $2700 down on the bike in order for the
dealer to finance the balance for him.  I don't know how much he had to
give as a deposit before the dealer would order it for him. Sorry...

Tim
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Reality Check: Someone broke away from HD?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:02:07 -0600
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Aug18.211715.20987@midway.uchicago.edu>,
karen@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Karen Spragle) wrote:
> 
> In article <Stafford-180892141110@134.29.65.250>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford) writes:
> > 
> > True?  Someone (Kokesh?) left HD to start his own company
> > using Evo engines and his own frames, etc?  Supposedly he
> > is located in Milwaukee.  Huh?
> > 
> > 
> 
> True
> His name is Buelle.  His bikes are called "Buelle"s.  He started out
> using the sporty (k-model?) engine, but that didn't work out too well,
> so he graduated to the Evo.  He uses different carbs, tires, seats, etc.
> 

No.  I was speaking of a more recent breakaway.  Apparently the rumor
is still 'rumor.'  I'd hoped the fellow who invented the Soft Tail
(NOT a Harley Davidson invention) had done it.
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:47:28 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug18.202620.9146@ryn.mro4.dec.com> dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com writes:
>
>You can convert an 883 motor to a 1200 motor for about $500-600

This is something I had not heard before! Really, give me details. I love my 
883 but it *is* slow for passing and highway riding. I could never outrun the 
cops on it :-)  Tell me more... please! 



-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: Buying a newer harley.
Keywords: softtail buy sell cheap
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:31:06 GMT


I doubt you can bargain with a Harley dealer these days. My Harley
dealer already has deposits on all the big bikes he's likely to get
this year (or maybe until much later this year, I'm just repeating
what I overheard when I was in the shop)...

I didn't have much trouble buying a sportster last year, but I came 
early. And I didn't get any special deals.

This is to be expected, yes?

-Mike
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:13:38 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center


>I stopped in at the local Harley dealer this past weekend to ponder the
>purchase of either a Sportster 883 or 1200 and was told there'd be at least a
>two month wait.  Is this common across the country or is this a local thing?

>And while I'm at it, would anyone like to give their opinions on which of the
>two to buy?

>Thanks,
>Brian


Brian,

  My brother-in-law (BIL) took delivery of his '92 1200 Sportster on 7/28/92
after ordering it on 4/24/92, a 3 month wait.  He talked to several dealers
in the Baltimore/Washington/Annapolis area.  One said they couldn't get it
for him, and another offered to order it with a price markup.  They all 
said it would be a 3 month wait.  He eventually ordered the bike from a 
HD dealer in Lancaster, PA.  He had to put about 1/3 down before they
would order it for him (approx. $2700).

  The bike is one of the turquoise/white ones and is beautiful.  I've
ridden it several times and MUCH to the surprise of my orientally-inclined
preferences, I loved the bike.  As a matter-of-fact, it was through my
riding experiences on my BIL's Sportster that I was interested in seeing
this newsgroup get established.

  I personally would go for the 1200 over the 883.  The 1200 is about
10 lbs lighter and has approx. 15-20 ft-lbs more torque than the 883 (I'm
reading this from a HD brochure on the '93 models).  You might outgrow
the 883 or find that it isn't quite enough for 2 people in the hills if
you're inclined to ride there.  Many of the used HD's for sale in the newspaper
in this area are 883's.  

  BTW, I notice you're sending from Penn State?  If you haven't done it yet,
the Harley-Davidson factory in York, PA has a great tour through their
manufacturing facilities.  I went through it about 3-1/2 years ago and it
changed my opinion of the company.

Tim Seiss
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: crawford@church.mitre.org (Randy Crawford)
Subject: Re: Women who wish to ride, take heart
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:18:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.211418.1038@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>Enjoy.  Live.  Drop that big Harley, or whatever.  You cannot
>take it with you.  This is it.

This should go in a nice frame and be hung on a wall.

-- 

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|                                                 7925 Colshire Dr., MS Z421
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