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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Dutch competition (ere-divisie), round 7.
Summary: played 2/10, 3/10 and 4/10.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:16:31 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

Roda JC - FC den Bosch 4-1
   35' ter Avest   1-0
   44' van de Luer 2-0
   51' Hanssen     3-0
   54' Hanssen     4-0
   81' Smeets      4-1

PSV - Feijenoord 1-1
   28' Romario 1-0
   90' Kiprich 1-1 (penalty)
   (Romario missed both a penalty and a tip-in in front of an empty
    goal)
   
Dordrecht '90 - FC Twente 0-0

Cambuur - Vitesse 1-3
   22' Bos     0-1
   57' de Gier 1-1
   67' Eijer   1-2
   82' Loeffen 1-3

RKC - Ajax 0-5
   15' Bergkamp
   45' Pettersson
   53' Bergkamp
       Boogers of RKC red card for trying to headbutt an opponent.
   88' Overmars
   89' Bergkamp (one of the most beautiful chips i have ever seen.)

Sparta - Willem II 1-0
   54' Valke

FC Utrecht - Fortuna Sittard 4-0
    3' van der Ark
   12' Oosterhuis
   58' Bijl
   77' Smolarek

Volendam - MVV 1-2
   16' Visser 0-1
   36' Meijer 0-2
   87' Kras   1-2

Go Ahead Eagles - FC Groningen 0-0


Topscorers:
   Bergkamp (Ajax)      8
   Kiprich (Feijenoord) 7
   van Geel (Willem II) 5


PSV             6 5 1 0 11 20- 3
FC Twente       7 5 1 1 11 14- 6
Feijenoord      7 3 4 0 10 16- 5
FC Utrecht      7 4 2 1 10 12- 7
Ajax            6 4 1 1  9 16- 5
Vitesse         7 3 3 1  9 11- 3
Sparta          7 1 6 0  8  4- 3
Willem II       7 3 1 3  7  7- 6
FC Groningen    7 2 3 2  7  6- 8
MVV             7 2 3 2  7  9-12
Roda JC         6 3 0 3  6 11-10
RKC             6 2 2 2  6  5- 9
Go Ahead Eagles 7 1 3 3  5  6-10
Volendam        6 1 2 3  4  7- 6
FC den Bosch    7 1 2 4  4  5-20
Cambuur         6 0 3 3  3  2- 9
Dordrecht '90   7 0 2 5  2  2-15
Fortuna Sittard 7 0 1 6  1  3-19

joost.

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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:41:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Attn: Eric
Re: Media coverage

Your suggestion about pressing the local papers to cover more soccer
scores is a good one. On rare occasions the Atlanta Constitution does
cover scores, but mostly it is only two or three matches covering local
colleges, and that's it.

Much as I would have liked to see the WC here, I am glad that Atlanta
didn't get a bid since they basically didn't deserve it.

By all means, we should call and write local media outlets.

Best, Chris

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From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Leeds - Stuggart ; UEFA decision !!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:04:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.072701.27917@inesc.pt> fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos) writes:
>In article <92279.111637STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET> <STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>
>>Now we've all heard the excuse - 'mistake in the heat of the moment'.
>>IMO that's just tough luck (and irrelevant). These are professionals
>>we are talking about. They win/lose by their decisions. I know this
>>all sounds fairly harsh on Stuggart (and some will probably cite
>>English bias as a reason) but they knew the rules of the competition
>>beforehand. Why did they have 4 'foreign players' in their squad in
>>the first place ? Is a team allowed 4 'foreign players' in the squad
>>and then only use 3 ??
>
>I believe it is legal to have 4 foreigners but to play with 3 only.
>
>This said I must agree totataly with you. Rules are rules however 
>though they seem to be. 




The problem as I see it, is that although the rule is there, there doesn't
seem to be a penalty outlined in the rules.  The question here is not whether
Stuttgart broke the rules, theydid, but what is the proper punishment for
it.   Leaving things to the discretion of UEFA is ludicrous.  THere is no
more incompetent bunch in the world, well , OK there's still FIFA out there.

-- 
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From: ccaaipv@ucl.ac.uk (Ioannis Verikokakis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Any PSV fans out there?
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:21:07 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Hi people,

I've been following this newsgroup for about a year and have
contributed some comments on a few occasions. Anyway, as some of
you now PSV will be playing AEK Athens on the next round of the
European Cup. The first leg being in Athens on the 21st of October
with the return at Eindhoven(sp) on the 4th of November. Since I'm
an avid AEK fan (living in London) I will be attending the second leg match. 
Could someone e-mail me the phone # of the PSV ticket office so 
I can get some tickets in advance? Also if anyone out there lives in
Eindhoven can you e-mail me details about the city? (where's the stadium
for example and where can we get some beers before and after the match).
I'll be getting off at the Hook of Holland and will catch a train to 
Eindhoven, so that means spending at least one night in the city.If
anyone knows of any cheap hotels or youth hostels please e-mail me 
with the details. Who knows, perhaps in the future I might have 
to do the same for one of you guys. 

Yannis Verikokakis
Applications Programmer
University College London
Computer Centre,
Gower Str, London WC1E 6BT.


AEKARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 1FC Ko"ln v. Celtic (Glasgow variety)
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:44:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct6.214435.9049
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.201510.29735@news.th-darmstadt.de> wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:
>>>   /******************************************************/
>>>     |\/\/\/|  	"I WILL NOT SUPPORT FC COLOGNE       "
>>>     |      |     	"I WILL NOT SUPPORT FC COLOGNE       "
>>>     | (o)(o)   	"I WILL NOT SUPPORT FC COLOGNE       "
>>>     C      _)    	"I WILL NOT SUPPORT FC COLOGNE       "
>>>      | ,___|    	"I WILL NOT SUPPORT FC COLOGNE       "
>>>      |   /     	"I WILL NOT SUPPORT F.........       "
>>>   /******************************************************/
>>
>
>>BTW you are the ignorant so called expert: It is 1.FC Cologne....Haha
>>
>It's neither of the two you twits. It's 1. FC Koeln.
>

I though Cologne in German was Koln, with the n having a umlat or some
such marking, may be this is the Dan Quayle version :-)
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Enough Rangers Bashing
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:55:30 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Oct5.150013.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <9210032329.AA07839@gatekeeper.hcc.com>, iam@rlmtc.ENET.hcc.com writes:
> 
>> Reports are rife here of an "incident" involving the president and well
>> known hooligan element of the recently formed Brown University Rangers
>> Supporters Club in a Boston Bar. Present was a former colleague of
>> Sean Subterranean and fellow Celtic supporter. We feel that SMcK must come
>> clean
> 
> *************************  TAXI FIR McKINNON  *********************************
> 
> 
> Dan

Rumours that Sandy picked the wrong town to sing anti-Celtic songs are not
true.  We wait with anticipation for Sandy's visit to the Scots' CLub in
Kearney,NJ, where he will be the guest of that well known philanthropissed the
Jersey Jagsfan.  Hank McCulloch should be there to pick up a few beers as well.
The rest of us must wait for the return of a new Sandy to these shores in
December fresh from his experiences among Celtic fans abroad, sporting his new
colours of green and white............maybe we could send Scott over too ;-)

************************** KEBAB FIR McKINNON *********************************

Sean Subtequilan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: UNIVISION: Boring!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:22:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.190055.19687@ncar.ucar.edu> newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.165814.158@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...) writes:
>|> 
>|> What the heck is wrong with UNIVISION?
>|> They, again, showed one of the most boring games I've ever seen!
>|> Even the commentators seemed to be bored to death!
>|> Is it that they can't afford to broadcast "European" (Spanish or Italian)
>|> games or what?!?
>|>
>Which game are you referring to ?
>Anyway, I agree totally that some of their games have been boring,
>but they do show a lot of Spanish and Italian league games.
>You seem to insinuate that only "European" games are interesting;
>I've seen many boring european games, and many exiting South American
>games. They just need to pick the best possible matches from wherever.
>

The last two matches UNIVISION have shown were from the Mexican league.
They showed Puebla-Cruz Azul last sunday, and indeed it was a boring :-() yawn
match. The Mexicans play a VERY slow tempo style and the players tend to
hold onto the ball too long. Maybe the hot and humid weather down there
really affects their pace. Any soccer sociologists care to comment? ;-)

Btw, i was very surprised that Cruz Azul had the American Cle Koeman playing
for them at center/right back. Koeman is a decent player who lacks a 
good *touch* on the ball.

-Dave
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Reply to a Bigot (was something to do  with JC Superstar)
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:49:18 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


Sean Hughes <SHUGHES> wrote some drivel like this...

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

P.S Sandy you mentioned a Brady backlash.I would like to start a Rangers backla
s.For people who are not acquainted Glasgow Rangers medieval signing policy.
Glasgow Rangers do not have any Roman Catholics on their playing staff.They hav
e only ever had one (Mr.Mo"Do you want to buy a shellsuit"Jhonston)in almost
120 year history.Yes Netnews readers Rangers are bigots and are not ashamed of
it.
So Sandy and Scott if you are real big supportter of your club why dont you con
dem this absurd nonsence.?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A few points here Mr Hughes.

1. You must have some radio if you can write a match report. Anyway good
luck to Celtic  for getting through. The more Scottish teams through the
better    :-)

2. why do you guys *always* reappear when your team wins but never show
when things are going bad ?  Also, why do you never bother to answer
e-mail after you send out abuse ?

3. The tricky point...it's obvious it's blinkers on, heads down and away
way we go when you typed in this drivel.  Why can't you accept that
players are signed by Rangers purely for their ability and has got
nothing to do with their background.  Things have changed in the past
5 years or so but it's a gradual change and like it or not religious
bigotry     has  no place at Ibrox.  Maybe you want things to stay
the same so you can poke your head out every so often and  tell the
whole world.  So what if we sold Johnston (and Spencer) ? They went
because  they  realised they werent going to get first team football
and we've survived they're losses quite easily.   Why don't you take a
look at your side.  Rangers were seemingly interested in John Collins
before he joined Celtic but later he admitted he would never have
joined Rangers. Make your own conclusions.... the same goes about
McStay who made the same comment when the Rangers rumours started going
around.  Are they bigots ? Decide for yourself but dont go spouting
such one sided nonsense to the world when you know it's not true.

So I won't  go condemning my team now although I would have in the past.
You should be ashamed of yourself  the way you've lowered the tone of
this newsgroup with your  remarks.  Think before you post next time.


Sandy Mackinnon
Univ of Strathclyde            Bring on  Leeds !!!!!!!!
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: v087jsfu@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (DANNY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NPSL/ TV deal?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:08:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I know that the MSL had a TV deal with Sports Channel.  Will the NPSL have a
TV/cable deal?

For Italian league fans RAI, on Satcom F3, is broadcasting Italian league
games at 10:00 EDT on Sunday.

If anyone is interested in seeing the Buffalo Blizzard schedule I can post
it here.
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bundesliga schedule
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:17:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Can someone please send me a schedule of Bundesliga games
for the month of November.  In addition, is there a
German cup (I suppose there must be, since Germany enters teams
in EC2).  Please include any dates for that as well.

Thanks much (a friend is going to be in Frankfurt and wants to
see some games).

Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Palo Alto soccer
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:35:16 GMT

In <9209292213.AA12242@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:


>To any of the South Bay r.s.s.ers:
>My brother lives in Palo Alto and is looking for an over-30
>mens' team.  If anyone knows of any teams looking for players
>or league contacts, please let me know. 

>Thanks a ton,

>Ken Shadlen
>University of California at Berkeley
>shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

Is your brother Brian Treggs?

Oh, never mind.
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: Souness Gets Vote, and some questions
Organization: Philips Research Labs (Nat.Lab), Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.101923.2534@wg.estec.nl> chris@wg.estec.esa.nl writes:
>Some questions:
>
>When were they relegated to the second division?

1953-54.

>Who was the manager then?

Don Welsh

>Was he sacked?

Yes, in 1956. Welsh was the only Liverpool manager ever to be sacked. 

>Where there any other managers in the interim (and if so where they sacked)?

Phil Taylor managed Liverpool after Welsh until November 1959, he resigned
and was replaced by Shankly.

Liverpool were promoted out of the second division in 1962.

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From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness Gets Vote
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:31:08 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <00961660.A7ACF580.26348@matai.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:

	... suggesting alternatives to Souness ...

>John Toshack
>Alan Hansen
>Ronnie Moran (Going back to the traditional backroom set up)
>Jimmy Greaves
>Ron Atkinson (Isn't he about due to move on, he's been at Villa far too long..
>	      he must be going soft).
>
>Maybe as an outsider Mark Lawrenson although his foray into the management side
>
>Any thoughts on who the new boss will be?
>

	Toshack was the pundits favourite for the job after Dalglish ...
 he flew to Liverpool, was interviewed, flew back to Spain, and ....
 nothing happened. Then Souness was appointed. This suggests that LFC
 decided against Toshack then, and presumably, would not appoint him
 after Souness (if Souness goes).

	Hansen is one of the few "expert summarizers" that I have seen
 on TV footy programs who seems to have any footballing sense/intuition/
 knowledge/judgement whatsoever.  Most of them just come out with cliched
 predictable waffle, that any old idiot could manage. I suspect Hansen
 would make a very good manager, because (a) he understands the game, 
 (b) he was an excellent and fairly recent LFC player, which I believe
 would enhance the respect he would gain from his players, and (c) his
 manner, temperament etc are good (Souness is too abrasive ... he
 probably winds up his own players). However, Hansen has got his cushy
 job with the BBC, looking sauve, working with that nice Des Lynam, and
 that nice Gary Lineker, and playing golf whenever he wants. Would he
 really give that up to take on all the pressure and stress that Dalglish
 and Souness have struggled under?  I don't think so.

	Moran is one of life's natural No. 2 s, if LFC thought he could
 do it, he would be doing it now.

	There is one you don't mention ... Steve Heighway. He is working
 behind the scenes at Anfield now, but has adopted a very low profile.
 His name has been mentioned as a possible successor to Souness, but I
 would have thought it was a bit too soon yet ... lack of experience.
 Phil Neal is another possibility, of course.

	Regards, Steve.
From: roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Baresi leaves the national team !
Date: 4 Oct 92 09:16:28 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1alml8INN3c3@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua) writes:
>
>	I agree with the idea that Baresi left the squad to allow a
>younger player enough time to learn the ropes. After all, filling
>Baresi's boots will not be a simple task, to say the least.

I think this is a pretty ridicolous idea. See below.

>	What were his motivations, you might ask. Well, perhaps it was
>his fervent desire to recover the World Cup they "should" have won in
>their home territory back in '90. I wasn't in Italy, but I can imagine
>the disappointment and anger there after the Azzurri lost to Argentina
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in the semis. Perhaps it was in that frame of mind that he decided that
>Italy's best chance in '94 was with a new sweeper?

Pleeeease, Italy didn't lose to Argentina! That game was a draw. Italy
was eliminated after penalty kicks. However, I agree that it doesn't
make a hell of difference: Argentina went on, Italy went home (well,
quite).

Anyway, IMHO, the reason for Baresi retirement is simple: he realized
that he was slightly declining and that Milan didn't have a backup for
him. Therefore he was bound to play in every game: that makes 34 games
in the Italian League plus, hopefully, 11 games in the European Cup.
In his opinion, adding other 6/10 games with the national team, was
something too hard to bear. 

He chose Milan over the Italian national team. Nice choice. I wonder
what will happen if Maldini, Baggio, Vialli, Lentini, et cetera,
decide to do the same.

>counted on in the centre of defence. Which reminds me... exactly when
>did he come into the national side? After Scirea and Cabrini retired?

Baresi played his first game for the Azzurri in 1982, on December 4th,
Italy-Romania. He started in place of an injured Scirea.
He was also a starter in the infamous game played in Naples the year
after, versus Sweden, the only home defeat in a official game in the
history of the Azzurri.
After that disastrous game, the sweeper duties returned to Scirea and,
for the following three years, Baresi played sporadically as a midfielder.
Only after Mexico 86, when Vicini replaced Bearzot and his "senators",
he became the undisputed starter.

Cabrini left the national team the year after, in 1987. He also retired
from the national team, but it was quite a different case: Cabrini, just
30 at that time, was no more a starter for the Azzurri and in less than
a year he lost even his starting job in Juventus.

I hope the same for Baresi, but I doubt it.

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From: cg135@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dr. Daevid Carron)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool team / Paul Warhurst
Date: 28 Sep 1992 08:54:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Can someone post the Liverpool team (including subs) that played
against Wimbledon on Saturday. Have there been any "ever-presents"
in the team this season?

2nd question. What exactly happened to Paul Warhurst. I have only
heard some news about him resuming training, and that he had bad
accident, but of what sort?

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: GRAEME SOUNESS AND HIS MANY MISTAKES
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:57:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.134846.12929@phillip.edu.au>, t8914229@phillip.edu.au
writes:

> >Someone called Beardsley seems to be doing quite well across the park ...
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  really?????  where is the england selection????? 

Watch this space. Graeme Taylor (now if we're going to talk about crap
managers how has he escaped unscathed?), is reported to have held "peace
talks" with Chris Waddle and Peter Beardlsey. Now that's a partnership I'd
like to see together again.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: UNIVISION: Boring!!
From: zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:58:14 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks


What the heck is wrong with UNIVISION?
They, again, showed one of the most boring games I've ever seen!
Even the commentators seemed to be bored to death!
Is it that they can't afford to broadcast "European" (Spanish or Italian)
games or what?!?

-- 
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