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From: xexeo@dxlaa.cern.ch (Geraldo Xexeo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: A campanha do Pe. Ricardo!
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:07:35 GMT
Reply-To: xexeo@dxlaa.cern.ch
Organization: CERN - European Organization for Particle Physics

|>
|>PS. Temos fotos de varios lideres que participaram da Semana da
|>Amazonia. As fotos estao a venda, o lucro (= venda-gasto) fica com
|>o Nucleo do PT de Nova Iorque.
|>

  SNIFF SNIFF
   Tem algo no ar alem dos avioes de carreira. Que historia e'
essa de nucleo do PT em NOVA IORQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   Deivy, da para explicar essa?

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From: xexeo@dxlaa.cern.ch (Geraldo Xexeo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Gata Procura Moradia em Harvard...
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: xexeo@dxlaa.cern.ch
Organization: CERN - European Organization for Particle Physics

(-:

You should try the Marketing school!

Anyway, house, food and washed clothes for you in Geneva (well, it
is a bit far away from Harvard, but we can work this out :-), but I hope
I don't have to sue you for fake advertsing.

             :-)


        Cheers,

                    Jerry

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From: walter@m2xenix.psg.com (Walter Morales)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: songs/nordeste/etc
Date: 4 Apr 92 21:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: m2xenix.1992Apr4.214400.3096
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

Relembrando aquela conversa de nordeste, achei uma fita entitulada
BRAZIL: songs of protest que demonstra uma realidade do nordeste, nortista
pelo intemedio das musicas de Zelia Barbosa.

Eis o conteudo de algumas:
PAU DE ARARA: One day when I have had enough of hunger, I shall gather up the few things I own - two old pairs of pants and a little gutar and in the wink of aneye I'll take off for copacabana. But though I dance up a storm so that the
girls look, I'll return to my desolate village, back to hunger and suffering,
because there  I am somebody, not just swinging on a parrot roost.
 

OPINIAO : They can arrest me, beat me, they can even leave me without food
but I won't change my opinion of this pooor, dry high hill. If there is no water, I will dig a well. If there is no meat, I will buy a bone and make soup. And
that is the way things will be. No matter what they say about me, here I Don't
pay any rent and if I die Tomorrow, Lord, I am already quite close to heaven.

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From: kzyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Carnaval in Brazil
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:43:44 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

	Which "carnaval" is best is certainly a matter of taste.

	If you like to watch, I would suggest Rio. 
	If you like to dance with the people, and you like a strong
percussion sound mixed a high pithced guitar sound, go to Salvador (Keep
in mind that it is also one of the most violent).
	Now if you like a rich melodical sound played by a brass ensemble,
you have to go to Olinda. Dance in its narrow streets among historical
buildings, listening to great frevo mixed with the people. I would also
say that Olinda is far less violent than Salvador.

	The fact of the matter is that the FREVO style is quit rich
harmonically and melodically, and for me is one of the highest points
of the "carnaval" in Olinda.

	Choose what suits you best, or try all of them ;-)

	Edval Santos

P.S.: I used to live in Olinda, and before that I had lived in Salvador.
From: Madeleine Adriance <riomaria@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:53 PDT
Subject: Re: E Fujimori pisou na bola
Nf-ID: #R:92098.140207FONSECA@auvm.america:-874057913:cdp:1598900054:000:583
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!riomaria    Apr 10 17:53:00 1992




"Eu acho que um golpe agora no Brasil seria impossivel."

Parece que cito as palavras de Dilvan fora do seu contexto?
Nao e' assim. Cito as palavras de pessoas da minha pro'pria
idade, brasileiros e americanos, que falavam assim em 63.

O que vale as aulas dadas pelo sofrimento se ninguem se
lembra das li<o~es?

A democracia na~o chega automaticamente com as ele<o~es
populares.  Eles que querem atingi'-la tem que vigiar.
Tem que trabalhar.  As vezes tem que sofrer.  Se a
democracia na~o seria destruida por um golpe militar,
pode ser destruida pela complace^ncia. 

Madeleine
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Chris the wonder Scout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Scouts and Scouters
Summary: Address of Scout, etc in Brasil
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:18:19 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

CAN YOU HELP ME?
My name is Chris Fitch.  I am a 21 year old history major at Colorado State
University.  I am a Boy Scout leader and am trying to teach my Scouts about
the world they live in.

I appreciate any help you could give me.  I need an address for the Brazilian
Scout Association, which is called "Uniao dos Escoteiros do Brasil", or for
any Scout or leader you may know who could help me in my endeavor.

In addition, do you know where I could get a small desktop Brazilian flag,
for a display to teach my Scouts with?  If you could direct me to where I
could get one of these I would really appreciate it.

I appreciate your time and assistance, and apologize for the imposition.

Sempre Alerta
Yours in Scouting,
Chris Fitch
From: alves@iastate.edu (Luis C Alves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: this a test
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:44:58 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

This is another test.
From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Aonde esta' o PERU ?
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:24:54 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

Ola',

bem continuo sem noticias sobre o que realmente esta' acontecendo no
PERU. A mi'dia aqui  dos EUA estao mais preocupados com o "monstro" que
roubou o dinheiro das velhinhas e com os "louros" da guerra do golfo do
que com a AL. Alguem sabe me dizer se foi o proprio Fujimori (?) que
dissolveu o congresso e encabec,ou o golpe de estado, ou nao ? Sera',
meu Deus, que os militares  ainda nao aprenderam que militar nao foi
treinado para e' ser tecnico de futebol nem presidente da Petrobras.


Gilberto (o auto-exilado)

PS: Eu fico imaginando um General do Exercito americano dissolvendo o
congresso e prendendo o BUSH. Apesar de tudo ainda temos muito que
aprender com o Primeiro Mundo, goste-se ou nao dele. E VIVA a
Transamazonica, o Delfim Neto, a Coroa Brastel, o Roberto Marinho, Angra
I,II, III ... M, e todos aqueles que ajudaram a construir este GRANDE
pai's que temos hoje.
From: manoel@cs.umd.edu (Manoel Mendonca)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: E Fujimori pisou na bola
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:41:53 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <92098.140207FONSECA@auvm.american.edu> FONSECA@auvm.american.edu writes:
>
>   O cara tinha um jeitao de bonzinho. Sonso que so. Parecia apenas mais um
>populistazinho latino-americano, so que sem carisma. Um gelatinoso. Um Sarney
>disfarcado de Nissei. Mas vejam bem o que aprontou. Em um relatorio de insti-
>tuicao internacional, ha poucos meses, li que Peru e Brasil sao os unicos pai-
>ses que nao reagem ao binomio recessao/inflacao (dentre os paises de economia
>mais expressiva da America Latina). Fico pensando o que um certo gover-
>nante mais egocentrico, mais autoritario, mais "salvador da patria", etc, pode
>fazer, se ate um Fujimori foi capaz dessa cagada.

	Comparar a situacao brasileira com a peruana eh no minimo lamentavel,
Peru estah em um estado de guerra civil a mais de dez anos, o Sendero Luminoso
domina uma area enorme do pais (20 ou 30% ?), e atrocidades teem sido cometidas
de ambas as partes. O Brasil nunca teve uma situacao sequer semelhante, mesmo
os fatos que ocorreram antes e durante o regime militar sao de pequena monta
se comparado ao que o Peru tem vivido nos ultimos anos. Nao estou querendo
defender o golpe dado no Peru, mas afirmo que o Brasil hoje tem um regime
estavel e democratico, quer se goste ou nao do governo. Tentar tracar um para-
lelo politico (negro) entre o Brasil e o Peru basendo-se em indicadores econo-
micos eh uma analise muito limitada da realidade do nosso pais.

--Manoel
-----------------
manoel@cs.umd.edu

>
>DAnilo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: Kamnetz =? Comanesti
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:51:33 GMT

In article <CLAMEN.92Apr16022455@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU>, clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
|> 
|> In doing geneological research, I have come across the immigration
|> certification of the nephew of my great-grandfather.  His birthplace
|> (1898) is listed as:
|> 
|> 	"YANAVETS, NEAR KAMNETZ, BESSARABIA"
|> 
 
 Try Camenita (Camenitza), much more to the north-east.
 Cheers
 Mihai
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Romanians in Greece?
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:32:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sdg8cINN9st
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr13.172640.16689@wuche2.wustl.edu> ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis) writes:
>
>The name "Romania" was selected for the romanian nation (please correct
>me , I could easily be wrong) relatively recently, in the 19 th century,


Romanian peasants have always referred to themselves as "rumin", meaning:
from Rome. I find it extremely interesting that Greek lands in the middle
ages were referred to as Romania!
Back to Romania - in its pre-Ceausescu period it was called Rumania ; to under-
line the Latin connection, Nick the Almighty changed the name of the country
overnight. I do not think he knew about the Greek connection...

Cheers!
  

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: hargitai@acf3.nyu.edu (Joseph Hargitai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Apology to Mihai Bucur
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:23:24 GMT
Organization: New York University

Sorry, I have made a mistake. Nick sent me the thread on the original

postings, to which I received the nasty replies. You were not involved.

call me a fool

joseph
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: attila@MERLIN.ims.bellcore.com (Leslie A. Walko)
Subject: most favored nation
Reply-To: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:42:27 GMT

Once in a while the US administration reviews countries for Most Favored
Nation status.  Romania was granted MFN status in '75 by the Ford
administration and lost it about '88.

Did MFN status have any impact on Romania?  Why did Romania loose MFN
status?  Did MFN status make a difference economically, or in terms of
internal policy and foreign affairs?

Leslie A. Walko
From: moga@gringo.usc.edu (Adrian Moga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: A propos de linguistique
Date: 16 Apr 1992 22:34:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gringo.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr17.025714.16413@morrow.stanford.edu> mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.131828.6713@cc.umontreal.ca>, rouxclau@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roux Claude) writes:
>|> [..] J'ai entendu dire que sous
>|> Ceaucescu, les linguistes Roumains avaient ete obliges de considerer leur
>|> propre langue comme une langue slave et que tout reference a un passe latin
>|> de cette langue etait considere comme une heresie. Serait-il possible
>|> d'avoir d'avoir une confirmation a ce propos?
>|> 
>|> Claude...
>
>No, I don't think so.  I was always taught in schools that the slavic
>influence in the romanian language is around 20%.
>On the contrary: part of Ceusescu's policy to look good in the west, 
>the russian influence in Romania was always minimized.
[..]
>Cheers
>Mihai
>


  I agree with Mihai. There are two distinct facts that are associated
without any good grounds. 

  One is that, before Ceausescu, there was such a trend to enhance the
Slavic part of the Romanian vocabulary and to change the orthography to
make it look "more Slavic". One famous change was the spelling of
"Romi^nia", instead of "Roma^nia". But this was discussed in extenso
in this group. The same spelling change was used for other words, like
"mi^na" instead of "ma^na" (hand), "pi^ine" instead of "pa^ne"
(bread), etc. At the same time, the apostrophe (used as in French) was
replaced by the dash. A while ago someone posted an article saying
that the pre-WWII orthography will be brought back in a matter of 2
years.

  The second is that, even though Ceausescu stopped this process and
even brought back the original spelling of the name of the country, a
parallel process of narrowing the vocabulary to a very reduced set of
words, matching the brain size and education level of the presidential
couple and thousands of party activists, reached aberrant stages. This
is the so called "wooden language". Many of the neologisms were banned
from being printed in papers, "dusty" words were brought back and
obsessively repeated in canned formulations. Unless you spent a few
recent years in Romania, you will probably be amused by the following
story. Ceausescu used to constantly mispronounce a quite large number
of words. Not that no one had the courage to correct him but some
prominent members of his antourage, TV anchors and leaders of the
cultural departments voluntarily adopted his pronunciation.  I am
almost sure that the "wooden language" phenomenon was present in other
(former) communist block countries, but it could hardly compete with
the "perfection" it reached in Romania under Ceausescu.

Regards,
Adrian.
From: costin@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Dan Costin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: most favored nation
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:16:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Cognitive Science, UCSD

A couple of weeks ago President Bush said he recommends giving Romania MFN
status.  I believe the issue will come up in the Senate in a couple
of months.  This was reported in the NY Times (Bush's statement, not
my belief :-) ).
-dan
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Romanians in Greece?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 09:34:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <924@bcsfse.boeing.com> pannon@bcsfse.boeing.com (Joe Pannon) writes:
>
>In her younger years she often visited certain places in Northern
>Greece, where the word "vlach" was used as a sort of derogative term for
>a small ethnic group in the Northern Greece mountains, in the same way
>the term "hill-billy" is used in the US.  These people were mostly sheep
>herders.  Helen also said, and this is the most interesting part in the
>story, that between the two World Wars the royal Romanian government
>used to send teachers to them. As she befriended several of these
>people, she always resented the "hill-billy" connotation attached to
>them.  Her contact with them is long lost now, and she doesn't even know
>any more if those few Greek "vlachs" still maintain their unique ethnicity
>or have now assimmilated completely.
>
>My question to you is this: has any of the Romanians here heard about this
>small "vlach" group in Greece?  How do you think such a group got into
>Northern Greece?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Pannon

I am not sure where you are heading with the argument.  I have not heard of
such group, however I will not be surprised that such people may exist.
There are groups of people in Louisiana how are called french by others
because they are of suposedly french background, however their language and
culture are far away from that of french people.

On the other hand, there are some different ethnical groups of people that 
live in Dobrogea which call themselves "Machedonians" and speak a somewhat
different dialect of Romanian.  Knowing that many Machedonians live in Northern
Greece, and Southern Yougoslavia, one can think that there is some connections
between them.  I believe that there is some connection, however there is no 
really cultural contact between them.

Similarly, there is known that the people that lived in place where Romania
is today were a part of the tribes called the "Tracs" which extended from
Adratic Sea towards the Carpathian Mountains.  It could be that those people
that you refer to are an old part of the same tribe.

Sasha Bucur.

P.S. To Hargitay (sorry about the spelling if I am wrong)
The message that went out saying that Mihai Bucur was the one that was
"nasty" is somewhat wrong since my last name is Bucur, but my first name ain't
Mihai and I have not sent you any messages.  There are other 2-3 Mihai's on
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: most favored nation
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sdh7rINNa0p
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Romania lost the MFN clause in 1988 on the grounds that its emigration
policies were too restrictive. Lawrence Eagleberger visited Bucharest and
conveyed the message to Ceausescu who at that time was already a classic,
clinically proven paranoic.

At that time Romanian economists estimated the total volume of lost hard
currency sales to about .9bn dollars, a very considerable amount for a
country whose exports were areund 5bn (in dollars) at that time.

Unfortunately, the suspension had no other effect but to furtherly enrage
Ceausescu by making him feel the whole world is against him personally;
another effect (the Americans might have not fully considered) was a new
forced decrease in consumer demand, since the amount of exports was as a
matter of fact INCREASED the next year, by imposing new hardship on the
population..

From the policy point of view the suspension had a null efect. Instead of
disciplining Ceausescu and bring him to reason it made him totally mad.

However, as a result of belt tightening he lost any trace of credibility
he had left with the Romanian public.

Emigration is now free from Romania, and technically the MFM could be
reinstated. I mean, Romanianhad the clause between 85 and 88 , when the
country was as far as ever from democracy. Nowadays, there is a large
improvement in this aspect, athough things are far from perfect.  Seve-  
ral key ingredients, as required by the American law are there:
people are free to associate, there is freedom of press and free emigra-
tion. 

There are problems with the rights of the minorities, especially with the
1.8 million Hungarians (who, incidentally, have their own political party)

While Hungarians push the solution of administrative autonomy as (if we  
exclude Laszlo Tokes' declaration that Hungarians will have full rights
if and only when Transylvania reverets to Hungary) the Romanian administr-
ation and the Romanian public are bitterly opposed to it.

In my personal analysis, witholding the MFM will  fail to sway the Romanian
mood about Hungarian autonomy in Transylvania, but of, course, nobody is a
prophet in his own country...    

Cheers!

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: moga@gringo.usc.edu (Adrian Moga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Romanians in Greece?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 13:54:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gringo.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.190143.12083@wuche2.wustl.edu> ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis) writes:
>But let's return to the real, original "Vlachoi". These people,
>basically living in the countryside used to speak a version of latin...
>This is the reason that they were supposed to be associated with
>the modern Romanians. Actually not much evidence exists about their
>movement (?) to Greece and other details.

Actually, some theories tried to explain, based on this fact, that the
entire Romanian population migrated from South to the nowadays
Romanian territory and that the Vlachs are an isolated remainder of
that migration.  The theories tried to explain a "population vacuum"
at north of the Danube during the 4th and 7th centuries. As you
noticed, there is no evidence of such a migration, except for the
language similarities.

> I'll tell you, however, some other proposed explanations:
>(i) they are descendants of ancient latinized thracians (as , I think
>you suggested). The same process, presumably, gave birth to the 
>modern Romanian nation.

The Balkans and large areas at North of the Danube were inhabited by
various Thracian tribes. I also believe in a parallel development of
the Vlach and Romanian nations under the Roman catalyst. As someone
else pointed here before, there are other groups more or less related
to the Romanians: Makedo-Romanians (macedoroma^ni), Aromanians
(aroma^ni), inhabiting various places throughout the Balkans,
including Romania. Fragile as they may have been during early
centuries, the relations between these groups have almost vanished
after the Slavic infiltrations in the Balkans and the only link
between them is a language of Latin origin.

> ...
>Indeed, not much more is known and only speculations are made. It is
>certain, however, that direct links with Romania cannot be proven.
>Now you'll ask me: how come the name "Vlachs" sounds so much like
>this of the Romanian territory? I don't know. I don't know even how
>old is the use of this term (i.e., whether it was created by the 
>perception / speculation of links with the Romanian territory) or
>whether it is pure coincidence. Somebody else might help here...

I think the naming of Vlachs was used by Turks. The name of
Vlachs/Valachia was used in conjunction with Southern Romania (under
the Carpathians). I might be confused here, because I also remember the
name of "Ghiaur" used by the same Turks for Romanians (but maybe with
a pejorative meaning ?). I definitely remember I once saw a study on
the origin of this name, but I wasn't much interested at the time. A
historian could surely help us here.

Regards,
Adrian Moga.