HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sashah@sage.unx.sas.com (Howard Houston)
Subject: Re: Gun control and abortion - with a little different 'twist'
Originator: sashah@sage.unx.sas.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:48:12 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <BxIr10.1ty@unx.sas.com>, massengi@cloves.unx.sas.com (Darrell Massengill) writes:
|> In article <BxBKu2.5Ix@unx.sas.com> sashah@sage.unx.sas.com (Howard Houston) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <sasrer.721022999@cinnamon>, sasrer@unx.sas.com (Rodney Radford) writes:
|> >|> >I'm not aware that the Brady Bill infringes on anyone's right to
|> >|> >bear arms, does it?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I thought it
|> >|> >was a measure to require a waiting period before purchase.
|> >|> >Personally, it seems to me to be moderately useless, but I don't see
|> >|> >how it is an infringement of the right to bear arms.
|> >|>
|> ...stuff deleted...
|> >
|> >You got a lot of shouting, but it is interesting that the most significant
|> >difference between a woman getting an abortion and someone buying a
|> >firearm was never mentioned.  I don't think that there is anyway that a
|> >woman can blow my brains out by getting an abortion.  On the other hand,
|> >if some local crazy desires to see my brains against the wall, then
|> >being able to pop out to the nearest gun shop to pick up a 357 gives him
|> >the means.
|>
|> Of course the pro-life side would argue that an abortion *is* like
|> blowing someones brains out.
|>
|>

I know, but I take these sort things personal.  My point is that the 
woman wouldn't be damaging my body, but the crazy would be hurting me. 
-- 
Howard Houston       SAS Institute Inc.     SAS Campus Drive
sashah@unx.sas.com   (919) 677-8000 x7617   Cary, NC 25713-2414

                   Since my house burned down
                      I have a much better
                        view of the moon


Newsgroups: triangle.politics
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (Captian Amerika)
Newsgroups: triangle.politics
Subject: Re: It's over.....
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:16:00 GMT
Distribution: nc
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <8FBPTB7w164w@cssnet.UUCP>, david@cssnet.UUCP (J. David Schronce) writes...
>OK - It's over.   Now what can we, as a group, do to forward the cause of 
>the american people and establish unity and strength?

Perhaps we need some definitions.

1) What do you mean by "forwarding the cause of the American people"?
   Can the American people all be lumped together?  I doubt there is one
   cause we'd all agree on.  

2) Establish unity? One of the great things about this country is the lack 
   of unity (diversity).  What kind of countries have unity?  Do we want to 
   be like them?

3) Strength? Economic, political, religous, military or individual?

Clinton got ~43% of the vote.  Apparently 57% didn't agree with his agenda.
Some of the news shows have been saying that Clinton is not going to have
an easy time implementing his agenda, and part of the reason is the last 
sentence.     

I'm not trying to necessarily attack Clinton or the democrats; just remember
there will be opposition.  Not everyone who stays off the bandwagon is 
unpatriotic, wrong, evil, conservative, etc., etc.

Perhaps "we, as a group,..." is my main beef here.  This is triangle.politiics
and not pull.together.for.Clinton 
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Newsgroups: triangle.politics
From: sashah@sage.unx.sas.com (Howard Houston)
Subject: Re: Gun control and abortion - with a little different 'twist'
Originator: sashah@sage.unx.sas.com
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:18:02 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <sasrer.721022999@cinnamon>, sasrer@unx.sas.com (Rodney Radford) writes:
|> >I'm not aware that the Brady Bill infringes on anyone's right to
|> >bear arms, does it?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I thought it
|> >was a measure to require a waiting period before purchase.
|> >Personally, it seems to me to be moderately useless, but I don't see
|> >how it is an infringement of the right to bear arms.
|>
|> I may be opening up a major can of worms here - but I wish that someone
|> would help explain something to me...
|>
|> How can people on one hand say that a 24-hour waiting for the purchase of
|> guns is a 'good thing', and that is not an "infringement on the right...",
|> but at the same time state (very strongly) that a 24-hour waiting period
|> on women seeking an abortion is an infringement on their right of choice.
|> In neither case is the person stopped from what they were planning on doing,
|> but it is just recommended that they think about it for 24-hours.
|>
|> I do admit that not everyone that is in favor of a 24-hour gun wait may not
|> be against the 24-hour abortion wait, and vice versa, but Clinton very
|> explicitly expressed that these are his views in the TV debates. Could
|> someone please help me understand this?
|>
|> And please, if you have something useful to add to this post that you think
|> would be beneficial to others, please post a follow-up. However, if you are
|> more interested in a personal attack of me (or my views), let's please keep
|> personal attacks in private email (but still send them - I would like to
|> see what you have to say). Thanx.
|>
|> --
|> ---
|> Rodney Radford          || Computer Graphics/Imaging
|> sasrer@unx.sas.com      || SAS Institute, Inc.
|> (919) 677-8000 x7703    || Cary, NC  27513
|>

You got a lot of shouting, but it is interesting that the most significant 
difference between a woman getting an abortion and someone buying a 
firearm was never mentioned.  I don't think that there is anyway that a 
woman can blow my brains out by getting an abortion.  On the other hand, 
if some local crazy desires to see my brains against the wall, then 
being able to pop out to the nearest gun shop to pick up a 357 gives him 
the means.


-- 
Howard Houston       SAS Institute Inc.     SAS Campus Drive
sashah@unx.sas.com   (919) 677-8000 x7617   Cary, NC 25713-2414

                   Since my house burned down
                      I have a much better
                        view of the moon


Newsgroups: triangle.politics
From: jrtyner@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN R TYNER)
Subject: Re: Gun control and abortion 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:13:08 GMT

From taco!rock!concert!duke!news.duke.edu!acpub.duke.edu!infante Fri Nov  6 15:59:07 EST 1992
Article: 96 of triangle.politics
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Newsgroups: triangle.politics
Subject: Re: Gun control and abortion - with a little different 'twist'
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:11:33 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In <6762@news.duke.edu>, Andrew Infante writes:

>Most women (and I would think this is _very_ close to _all_ women) do
>NOT need an additional 24 hours to think about the decision for abortion.

>Why does someone NEED a gun immediately, except to do some damage.

What does NEED have to do with either of the above!  A woman does not NEED
an abortion, she can wait until delivery.  She has decided, as is her right,
to HAVE an abortion.  The government should not have anything to do with it.
I do not NEED a gun, I can die defenseless.  I have decided, as is my right,
to HAVE a gun.  The government should not have anything to do with it.

>Women should (and will!) be allowed to have control over their own 
>bodies.  The government should not have anything do do with it.

Amen from an atheist!

John Tyner
jrtyner@eos.ncsu.edu
From: david@cssnet.UUCP (J. David Schronce)
Newsgroups: triangle.politics
Subject: It's over.....
Date: 4 Nov 92 06:20:06 GMT
Distribution: nc
Organization: Computer Support Services

OK - It's over.   Now what can we, as a group, do to forward the cause of 
the american people and establish unity and strength?


---dave---
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From: barber@jazz.concert.net (Scott Barber)
Subject: Re: some news
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:22:48 GMT

In article <4NOV199217031974@mivax.mc.duke.edu> seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (<==anonymous?) writes:
>Well, to some extent the content of the responses was what I wanted to elicit.
>
>The factoid, IMHO, did seem to imply some prejudice with no other facts
>backing it up. The facts have now been supplied, and I can finally quote the 
>factoid with confidence.  Thank you all for providing it.

I've seen only bits of evidence posted regarding racial discrimination in
the banking industry, and there are a lot more facts out there that
could weigh in on both sides of the issue.  Why do you now feel
"confident" to make any conclusions, when there is still so much
information left unknown?

>This was just a ".sig" silliness but...
>Anyone holding Al Gore's book in high esteem might want to do some research.
>I know there's factual refutation in alt.conspiracy, though there is more
>somewhere else (wish I could remember).  At any rate, I'll sum up by saying 
>Gore's use of scientific method (hypothesis==>facts==>logic==>conclusion)
>is rather suspect.  I propably exaggerated by calling the vice president,
>I mean future vice president, an idiot.  Not all he says is wrong.

I appreciate your attempt at retraction, and am confident that you
mean well on all of this, so please don't interpret my "harrassment"
in bad spirit.  However, I pointed out your .sig as a way of making
a point about your own point to the previous article.  

As you stated, it is unfair and potentially misleading to make
statements without "facts" to back them up.  Even in your
explanation, you offer no "facts" or explanation to help me
understand why Gore's book lacks credibility.  You leave it up to me
to go out and do research on my own.  And you say his use of
scientific method is suspect.  You may be right.  But you give me
no real reason to think so.  What is left is your opinion. 

MY point in the previous post is that even if you included an entire
book of facts and figures (as Gore does), what is left, still, is
opinion.  It may carry along with it very sophisticated argument,
rigorously obtained empirical data, and unfailing logic.  But it is
still, by the very nature of the finiteness of any investigation,
opinion.  (This is not to say that opinion is of little value, quite
the contrary.)

Geez, I'm getting really disgustingly pedantic.  Sorry, y'all.

The point is to encourage humility in all of our claims, and be
patient with the finite medium through which we must all communicate.
Namely, language.

Thank you....




and good night...


8-)


Scott Barber		  "I voted for the crazy, bozo, ozone men."
barber@jazz.concert.net		--- Tuesday, November Third  ---
MCNC, RTP, NC, BVD		--- Many Voted, Bush Retired ---
Newsgroups: triangle.politics
From: massengi@cloves.unx.sas.com (Darrell Massengill)
Subject: Re: Gun control and abortion - with a little different 'twist'
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:15:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

In article <BxBKu2.5Ix@unx.sas.com> sashah@sage.unx.sas.com (Howard Houston) writes:
>
>In article <sasrer.721022999@cinnamon>, sasrer@unx.sas.com (Rodney Radford) writes:
>|> >I'm not aware that the Brady Bill infringes on anyone's right to
>|> >bear arms, does it?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I thought it
>|> >was a measure to require a waiting period before purchase.
>|> >Personally, it seems to me to be moderately useless, but I don't see
>|> >how it is an infringement of the right to bear arms.
>|>
...stuff deleted...
>
>You got a lot of shouting, but it is interesting that the most significant 
>difference between a woman getting an abortion and someone buying a 
>firearm was never mentioned.  I don't think that there is anyway that a 
>woman can blow my brains out by getting an abortion.  On the other hand, 
>if some local crazy desires to see my brains against the wall, then 
>being able to pop out to the nearest gun shop to pick up a 357 gives him 
>the means.

Of course the pro-life side would argue that an abortion *is* like 
blowing someones brains out. 


Newsgroups: triangle.politics
From: sasrer@unx.sas.com (Rodney Radford)
Subject: Gun control and abortion - with a little different 'twist'
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:09:59 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>I'm not aware that the Brady Bill infringes on anyone's right to
>bear arms, does it?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I thought it
>was a measure to require a waiting period before purchase.
>Personally, it seems to me to be moderately useless, but I don't see
>how it is an infringement of the right to bear arms.  

I may be opening up a major can of worms here - but I wish that someone 
would help explain something to me...

How can people on one hand say that a 24-hour waiting for the purchase of
guns is a 'good thing', and that is not an "infringement on the right...",
but at the same time state (very strongly) that a 24-hour waiting period
on women seeking an abortion is an infringement on their right of choice.
In neither case is the person stopped from what they were planning on doing,
but it is just recommended that they think about it for 24-hours. 

I do admit that not everyone that is in favor of a 24-hour gun wait may not
be against the 24-hour abortion wait, and vice versa, but Clinton very
explicitly expressed that these are his views in the TV debates. Could 
someone please help me understand this?

And please, if you have something useful to add to this post that you think
would be beneficial to others, please post a follow-up. However, if you are
more interested in a personal attack of me (or my views), let's please keep
personal attacks in private email (but still send them - I would like to 
see what you have to say). Thanx.

--
---
Rodney Radford          || Computer Graphics/Imaging
sasrer@unx.sas.com      || SAS Institute, Inc.
(919) 677-8000 x7703    || Cary, NC  27513

Newsgroups: triangle.libsci
From: Jane Smith <jds@concert.net>
Subject: Navigating the Internet ... Videoconference 11/12
Organization: Clearinghouse for Networked Information Discovery and
     Retrieval
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Distribution: triangle
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:04:17 GMT

Navigating the Internet with New Tools
Thursday, November 12
2:00 to 3:55 pm 

The topic for this session will be Navigating the Internet with New
Tools. ( I thought about saying without tears, but then who wants to
tempt the fates that much, not me. )

George Brett* will demonstrate some new tools for the Macintosh that
permit easier navigation of the Internet. Among the applications to be
demonstrated are the Internet Gopher (in at least 4 flavours), Fetch
(an FTP tool), XferIt (another FTP tool) and Hytelnet. Concepts to be
presented in the demonstration apply to software available for other
operating systems in addition to the Mac OS.

Agenda:

30 minutes live demonstration
30 minutes questions and answers on internet navigation tools
BREAK
Open discussion

----------------Please invite other folks to attend!--------------
We have opened up the  session to all who are interested. So far I
have heard about some school teachers, a library science class, and
faculty from other departments interested in attending. Invite
a public librarian or let a colleague in a community college know.

Bring questions and other challenges for Brett to share with the
audience (and watch how he asks other experts in the audience for the
real answers).

This should be an entertaining and enlightening session. After the
break we will open the virtual floor to other topics that relate to
libraries, networks, or other issues about technology and information
delivery.

*Harry Nicholos from NCSU was scheduled to present at this session but
extends his regrets. He is pre-occupied at this time with an impending
marriage ceremony the weekend before the conference -- his own!
Congratulations, Harry!!


Thanks for your continued support.

 -george 

Site of origin:  MCNC

Sites available for program interaction:  BGSM,Duke, ECU, NC A&T,
NCSU, UNC-A, UNC-CH, UNC-C, UNC-W, MCNC

**************************************************************************

BGSM            MRI Building            919-748-4260
Duke            130A North Building     919-660-6585
ECU             Brody Building          919-551-2979
NC A&T          206 McNair Building     919-334-7867
NCSU            107H Park Shops         919-515-2601
UNC-A           129 Robinson Hall       704-251-6333
UNC-CH          08 Peabody Hall         919-966-5078
UNC-C           Atkins Building         704-547-2435
UNC-W           601 S. College Road     919-395-3189
MCNC            3021 Cornwallis Road    919-248-1400

CONCERT (Communications for North Carolina Education, Research, and
Technology)

----
George Brett
The Clearinghouse for Networked Information Discovery & Retrieval
Center for Communications, MCNC
POB 12889 / 3021 Cornwallis Rd. - RTP, NC 27709-2889
tel. 919-248-1886 fax. 919-248-1405  ghb@kudzu.concert.net
Newsgroups: triangle.libsci
From: Jane Smith <jds@concert.net>
Subject: Net. Info. Discovery & Retrieval Tools List
Organization: Clearinghouse for Networked Information Discovery and
     Retrieval
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:34:07 GMT

Networked Information Discovery and Retrieval: Tools

archie
Search & retrieve anonymous FTP
Source: ftp.sura.net:/pub/archie
        or  ftp.mcgill.ca:/pub/archie
Demo: archie.sura.net, login as archie
Mailing List: Comments, bug reports to: archie-l@cs.mcgill.ca
              To add or delete a site or correct site info:
archie-admin@cs.mcgill.ca
Contact: Alan Emtage bajan@bunyip.com or bajan@cc.mcgill.ca
         Peter Deutsch peterd@bunyip.com or peterd@cc.mcgill.ca

gopher
Hierarchical browser for numerous operating systems
Source: boombox.micro.umn.edu:/pub/gopher
Demo: consultant.micro.umn.edu, login as gopher
Mailing list: Questions or comments: gopher@boombox.micro.umn.edu
              To join gopher-news mailing list, send e-mail to:
                 gopher-news-request@boombox.micro.umn.edu
Usenet: comp.infosystems.gopher
Contact: please use gopher@boombox.micro.umn.edu to communicate
         with the gopher development team

hytelnet
Hypertext interface to telnet to selected sites for numerous operating
  systems
Source: access.usask.ca:/pub/hytelnet
Demo: access.usask.ca, login as hytelnet
Mailing list: Comments: scott@sklib.usask.ca
              To join the updates mailing list, send e-mail to:
scott@sklib.usask.ca
Contact: Peter Scott scott@sklib.usask.ca
         Earl Fogel (unix and VMS software) fogel@sask.usask.ca

libs
Menu-driven scripted telnet connections to library OPACS and other
  selected resources
Source: sonoma.edu: /pub/libs.sh
Demo: vax.sonoma.edu, login as OPAC
Contact: Mark Resmer Mark.Resmer@sonoma.edu

libtel
Menu-driven scripted telnet connections to library OPACS and other
  selected resources (UNC-CH enhancements added)
Source: ftp.oit.unc.edu:/pub/doc/libtel.unix
Demo: bbs.oit.unc.edu, login as bbs
Contact: Paul Jones Paul_Jones@unc.edu

prospero
Networked file system
Source: cs.washington.edu: /pub/prospero.tar.Z
Mailing list: For more info send e-mail to: info-prospero@isi.edu
Contact: Clifford Neuman bcn@isi.edu

WAIS
Relevance feedback search and retrieval
Source: quake.think.com:/wais (some clients and servers, references to
          others)
        sunsite.unc.edu: /pub/wais  (most of the available clients and
          servers)
Demo: quake.think.com, login as wais
Mailing list: Moderated, digested list - send e-mail to:
                wais-discussion-request@think.com
              Technical discussion, unmoderated - send e-mail to:
                wais-talk-request@think.com
Usenet: comp.infosystems.wais
Contact: George Brett ghb@concert.net

WorldWide Web
Hypertext interface to internet resources (links embedded in docs)
Source: info.cern.ch:/pub/www
Demo: info.cern.ch, no login or password
      Note: WWW documentation is updated dynamically, and is
            available through the demo
Mailing list: Bugs and suggestions: www-bug@info.cern.ch
Contact: Tim Berners-Lee timbl@nxoc01.cern.ch
Newsgroups: triangle.freenet
From: hallman@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Judy Hallman)
Subject: Visit of Dr. Tom Grunder to British Columbia (fwd)
Originator: hallman@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Distribution: triangle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:17:22 GMT


Subject: Visit of Dr. Tom Grunder to British Columbia (fwd)
To: rtpfreenet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:49:07 EST

Forwarded message:
>From @pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET Mon Nov  9 15:22:27 1992
Message-Id: <9211092022.AA09905@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:59:55 CDT
Reply-To: Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <PACS-L%UHUPVM1.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
From: "David Mattison" <dmattiso@cue.bc.ca>
Subject:      Visit of Dr. Tom Grunder to British Columbia
To: Multiple recipients of list PACS-L <PACS-L%UHUPVM1.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

As part of his first visit to British Columbia, Dr. Tom Grunder, originator
of the Free-Net concept and founder of the Cleveland Free-Net, will be
giving a public lecture in Victoria on Monday, November 16 at 8 p.m. at the
Ramada Inn, 3020 Blanshard St. Admission by donation. Further information
can be obtained by phoning 384-2450 or 385-4302 (Victoria).

Dr. Grunder will also be launching the Victoria Free-Net, British Columbia's
first Free-Net, the same day.

His visit will begin on Saturday, November 14 with an address to the
Computer Using Educators of BC Horizons '92 Conference at the Hyatt Regency
Hotel, Vancouver. The title of his conference talk is "Managing the
Infosphere: Community Computing and Canadian Education."

David Mattison, Secretary
Victoria Free-Net Association
From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: triangle.freenet
Subject: dsfg
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:21:33 GMT
Distribution: triangle
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

This job was listed in triangle.jobs, but I thought freenetters
might be more interested in what the organization is setting up:


From: uevans@med.unc.edu (Elizabeth A. Evans)
Newsgroups: triangle.jobs
Subject: Temporary Computer Position
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:11:39 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

School of Medicine - Division of Community Pediatrics
Family Support Network
Position: Programmer/Systems Administrator

Family Support Network is a project matching parents of children with
special needs to other parents and providing them access to a data
base of information on resources.  The project is developing the
capability of allowing public access to the data-base.  The Division
of Community Pediatrics is developing decision analysis/support applications
in clinical medicine.  The programs are recruting an experienced applications
specialist...


I think we should keep note of this so once they & we are up & running 
we can get together.

-- 
 ________________________________________________________________________
|   John      jfw@neuro.duke.edu          Duke University Medical Center |
| Whitehead   jfw@well.sf.ca.us           Department of Neurobiology     |
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Newsgroups: triangle.jobs,support