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From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Steve Potter for PM
Keywords: Steve Potter for PM
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.173231.18080@bnr.ca> mdoug@bnr.ca (Doug MacLean) writes:
> 	Right on Steve! If the government of Quebec gains the constitutional 
>right to preserve and promote the French language and culture in Quebec, you
>better get ready for the boot! Look what happened with the 'Not Withstanding' 
>clause.  Anyone who thinks these new federal powers won't result in a 
>complete dissintegration of democracy need only look as far as the Orleans
>Badmington Club. English speaking patrons had they're memberships
>cancelled and were given the BOOT for not speaking French!!!!  

Slight correction:  Gloucester Batminton Club.

And the club leadership later recanted; there was a whole PILE of
public protest (not that it really should be terribly relevant to what
is, after all, a private organization) and they changed the rule.
They will "encourage" members to speak French; this will certainly be
easy, as most of the members are francophones.  For the anglos - it IS
a possible learning opportunity.  Being bilingual is often the cost of
getting a better job around Ottawa.

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
From: mcphail@dataco.UUCP (Alex McPhail)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: CANCAP BBS
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:08:13 GMT
Reply-To: mcphail@dataco.UUCP (Alex McPhail)
Distribution: ott
Organization: Canadian Marconi Company (Datacomm), Ottawa, Ontario

Following up to a few earlier postings about good BBS's, I subscribe
to Canada Capital BBS.  Unfortunately, not a single file has been
updated since April 1992.  I have repeatedly left messages for
the System Operator, but I have not received a reply.  I'm beginning
to wonder what my annual fees are paying for.

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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: carrasco@bcars6e1.bnr.ca (Sylvano Carrasco)
Subject: computer account
Keywords: computer access
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:43:02 GMT


I am considering getting a computer account at Ottawa U. I tried phoning them
and ended up being passed from person to person. Does anyone know if a non-student
/non-faculty member can get an account. I really don't care what flavour it is
(DOS, UNIX) as long as I can get Internet access and remote login from home.
I know most universities offer this service to "outsiders" for a monthly fee.
Does anyone know who to call at Ottawa U. and the cost involved. Or even better,
how about a BBS/ Internet Service in the Ottawa area.

Thanks. Please reply to this group as I lack Internet mail.
-- 
Sylvano

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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: sawong@bnr.ca 
Subject: Chinese Folk Dance (Ottawa/Hull)
Reply-To: sawong@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 23:07:50 GMT

The Phoenix Dance Troupe of Ottawa is seeking men and 
women interested in learning and performing Chinese 
classical dances and folk dances. Previous dance
experience is NOT required.

The Phoenix Dance Troupe has been performing since 1975.
It is a non-profit volunteer community organization.

For more information, contact sawong@bnr.ca


Newsgroups: ott.general,can.politics
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Mulroney vs the plebiscite
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:30:16 GMT
	<1992Oct9.125853.12493@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: seanna@bnr.ca's message of 9 Oct 92 12:58:53 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Oct 92 12:58:53 GMT, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) said:
Seanna> Kanata Councillor Alex Munter had a good idea about how Mulroney
Seanna> could best ensure a Yes vote--he should offer to resign if the
Seanna> majority votes Yes.

This year, Canadians will probably receive the best Christmas gift in
years - according to CBC, there is a rumor that the Sorcerer's
Apprentice will announce his resignation before Christmas.
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Subject: Re: computer account
Keywords: computer access
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:23:33 GMT

In <1992Oct15.204302.4187@bmerh85.bnr.ca> carrasco@bcars6e1.bnr.ca (Sylvano Carrasco) writes:
>I am considering getting a computer account at Ottawa U. I tried phoning them
>and ended up being passed from person to person. Does anyone know if a non-student
>/non-faculty member can get an account. I really don't care what flavour it is
>(DOS, UNIX) as long as I can get Internet access and remote login from home.
>I know most universities offer this service to "outsiders" for a monthly fee.

We don't offer commercial accounts for Internet access here at Carleton and
I'm pretty sure that U of O doesn't either.
-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"Why can't we just forget about our constitutional problems and go canoeing?"
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: scottd@bnr.ca (Scott Darlington)
Subject: Re: esponse To Take Back The Night	 
Keywords: Take Back The Night
Reply-To: scottd@bnr.ca (Scott Darlington)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:43:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.191636.11539@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, kennedyl@bnr.ca (Ken Lawrence) writes:
|> 	The Anti-Rape Movement and specifically the "Take Back The Night"
|>      protests cannot allow men to participate because every man is a
|>      potential rapist.
...
|> 	Rape is a universal crime against womyn committed by men.
...

What a sexist generalization!  Your entire article seems to contain an
undercurrent of the "all men are scum" philosophy.  I find *that*
offensive.

--Scott Darlington
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: esponse To Take Back The Night
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:11:07 GMT

thanks Dan... I'm sure many of us - men - would have like to have said this...
I certainly have never hit a women in anger and I don't mentally abuse anyone
so I get sick of women attempting to instill any group-oriented guilt on me
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: babineau@bnr.ca (Michael Babineau)
Subject: Re: Ottawa Environmental Alert! 
Keywords: environment, dumping
Reply-To: babineau@bmerh812.BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.151236.23968@bnr.ca>, momtahan@bnrca (Parham Momtahan) writes:
|> I am concerned that E.B. Eddy Forrest Products have applied for persmission  
|> from Environment Canada for:
|> 
|>      "deposit of deleterious substances, comprising matter exerting a 
|>       biochemial oxygen demand (BOD) and effluent that is acutely lethal 
|>       to fish, in excess of the regulated limits"..."for a period comencing
|>       on December 1, 1992 and ending on December 31, 1995." 
|> 
|> My guess is that they are going to release this stuff into the Ottawa River.
|> I am also concerned about the short notice for the assessment. 
|> (I wonder about its coincidence with run-up to the national referendum.) 
|>  

I recall reading something in the Ottawa Citizen or Globe and Mail to the 
effect that they are already releasing this effluent into the Ottawa river.
This application is in response to new emission guidelines which are coming
into effect. They are trying to buy some time until they can design/purchase
the necessary equipment to allow them to meet the guidlines.


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Newsgroups: ott.general
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker)
Subject: Re: Net & email access for BNR types
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: ott
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:35:48 GMT

In article <ellens-061092181646@47.220.2.136> ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens) writes:
>> employer gets from you.  Balance your renumeration, training,
>
>Well BNR has been very successful at reNumerating me on a regular basis.
>As for reMuneration...

No wonder that nice lady who came to our house about the plebiscite got
confused when I asked her for money!

pww

Newsgroups: ott.general
From: mdoug@bnr.ca (Doug MacLean)
Subject: Steve Potter for PM
Keywords: Steve Potter for PM
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:32:31 GMT

 	Right on Steve! If the government of Quebec gains the constitutional 
right to preserve and promote the French language and culture in Quebec, you
better get ready for the boot! Look what happened with the 'Not Withstanding' 
clause.  Anyone who thinks these new federal powers won't result in a 
complete dissintegration of democracy need only look as far as the Orleans
Badmington Club. English speaking patrons had they're memberships
cancelled and were given the BOOT for not speaking French!!!!  
(Funny thing about this incident, it never made the Toronto papers).

...Doug 

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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: RE: LOW gas prices in West End!
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:39:23 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

The Mr. Gas on Hazeldean Road was at 51.1 this morning!

Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: pll@doe.carleton.ca (Luc Lussier)
Subject: Hitch a Ride to Boston
Keywords: ride
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:03:12 GMT

Going to Boston for a 3 day seminar on Digital communications
from Sunday Oct 17 to Thursday Oct 21 by car.  Passengers welcome.


Call Luc at (613) 446-6430 before Sunday


PS. leave message on machine if no one home
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: dmongrai@gandalf.ca (Dan Mongrain)
Subject: Re: Any good BBS out there
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:17:21 GMT

In <walt.03u4@orbit.ocunix.on.ca> walt@orbit.ocunix.on.ca (Walt Sullivan) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.190359.14213@gandalf.ca> dmongrai@gandalf.ca (Dan Mongrain) writes:
>>Can anyone recommend a good BBS in the Ottawa region.  By good I mean good
>>Technical and social discussions, good software availability, etc.

>Social discussions are not machine specific, but technical discussions
>and software availability are. What computer are you talking about?
>There are BBSs in Ottawa dedicated to Amiga, Apple II, IBM PC, ....

>I'm sure that there are many people reading ott.general that would be happy 
>to reccommend a BBS to you, if you would be more specific about what
>you want.

I apologize for not specifying IBM PC.  Mea culpa.

>--

>    Walt Sullivan           walt@orbit.ocunix.on.ca
>                            Fido 1:163/109.4
>    None of what I say is what my employer says, ever!
>    Am I still confused if I'm not, but only THINK I'm confused?


					Dan Mongrain
					dmongrai@bach.gandalf.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens)
Subject: Re: Net & email access for BNR types
Followup-To: ott.general
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: ott
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:13:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.140505.12516@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, pww@bnr.ca (Peter
Whittaker) wrote:
> 
> Word of advice to job seekers/evaluators:  use the selfish principle.
> 
> The selfish principle states that it is worth staying in your present
> employ only so long as you get more from your employer than your
> employer gets from you.  Balance your renumeration, training,
> intellectual stimulation, benefits, and intangible rewards against the
> value of your work, the stress and demands that work places on your
> life, etc.

Well BNR has been very successful at reNumerating me on a regular basis.
As for reMuneration...

Chris Ellens
ellens@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Mulroney vs the plebiscite
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:52:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.141744.19135@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.125853.12493@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>|> Kanata Councillor Alex Munter had a good idea about how Mulroney
>|> could best ensure a Yes vote--he should offer to resign if the
>|> majority votes Yes.
>
>And then what - who are you going to put it in, Jean? Audrie? Preston?  I'm
>suprised that Ontario residents after getting screwed by a protest vote (i.e.
>Ray and the NDP - fools) would suggest this.  Things can get worse!
>
>DON'T protest vote over this deal - vote on the deal!  This is not a Brain deal!
>It's a deal between 1 Prime Minister, 10 Premiers, 2 territorial leaders and the
>Natives - Brian had little to do with it (probably a lot less than Joe did).
> 
>Protest votes do not hurt politicians - they hurt us!

I was certainly not recommending a protest vote, and neither was Munter--
he has had buttons made which say something like, "I don't like Mulroney,
but I'm voting Yes anyway".  I just thought that it was an entertaining
suggestion.

"No matter who you vote for, the government gets in"
-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Mulroney vs the plebiscite
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:34:19 GMT
	<1992Oct9.125853.12493@bcrka451.bnr.ca> <1992Oct9.141744.19135@bnr.ca>
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: dclayton@bnr.ca's message of 9 Oct 92 14:17:44 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Oct 92 14:17:44 GMT, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) said:
Don> In article <1992Oct9.125853.12493@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:

Don> |> Kanata Councillor Alex Munter had a good idea about how
Don> |> Mulroney could best ensure a Yes vote--he should offer to
Don> |> resign if the majority votes Yes.

Don> And then what - who are you going to put it in, Jean? Audrie?
Don> Preston?  

Anyone of them is potentially better than what we have today.

[..]

Don> DON'T protest vote over this deal - vote on the deal!  

Agreed!
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: jwaustin@bcars182.bnr (John Austin)
Subject: Orchestra players needed - tpt, tuba, bassoon, strings.  
Keywords: Trumpet, Trombone, Tuba, Strings, Bassoon etc
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:55:19 GMT

I have just joined a small Orchestra that meets Tuesday 7:30-10:00 pm in the
basement of Parkdale United Church. This gig is made up of between forty and
fifty musicians including nearly 30 strings augmented by about 14 winds. Some
members also perform in the Nepean Concert Band. I don't know what the
performance schedule is except that sections are occasionally invited to play
during worship services. I don't know whether auditions are required, I
didn't go through one, but I can find out.

The horn section is pretty solid with four members. The brass is filled out
by two trombones, a baritone and a trumpet. The section will perform
Nov 8 as a brass choir as part of the regular church service.

The woodwinds consist of two flutes, two  clarinets, two oboes but no bassoon!

I can't comment on strings much except to say that they are mostly violinists, there are five violas, around five cellos and two basses.

I have been playing in a brass quintet/quartet at Barrhaven United for
three years now and I'm looking for contacts in other churches who would be
willing to do the occasional Sunday morning service gig as well as possibly
visiting retirement homes or hospitals around Christmas. A BNR group may be
in the works.

So if you are interested in this sort of thing or if you know someone who might be interested, (especially trumpet, tuba or bassoon players), please give me a call at 763-8017/(work)825-3917(home) (or just show at rehearsal).
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Mulroney vs the plebiscite
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:17:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.125853.12493@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
|> Kanata Councillor Alex Munter had a good idea about how Mulroney
|> could best ensure a Yes vote--he should offer to resign if the
|> majority votes Yes.

And then what - who are you going to put it in, Jean? Audrie? Preston?  I'm
suprised that Ontario residents after getting screwed by a protest vote (i.e.
Ray and the NDP - fools) would suggest this.  Things can get worse!

DON'T protest vote over this deal - vote on the deal!  This is not a Brain deal!
It's a deal between 1 Prime Minister, 10 Premiers, 2 territorial leaders and the
Natives - Brian had little to do with it (probably a lot less than Joe did).
 
Protest votes do not hurt politicians - they hurt us!

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Rear-Adm. Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
Newsgroups: tn.general
From: drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David R. Linn)
Subject: Re: Whyforhowcome?
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:45:36 GMT

Perhaps, this is not a widely distributed group.  Or perhaps, no one
has anything to say to a statewide audience (vidience?)

BTW, the news poster at UTK put a "utk.ed" in the message ID of your
posting instead of "utk.edu".  This may be due to a news
misconfiguration; you should inform your news administrator.
.
-- 
David R. Linn, System/Mail/News Manager	| INET: drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
Disclaimer: I speak only for myself	| Phone: [+1] 615-343-6164
      "Some do, some don't and that's the way of the world."
Newsgroups: tn.general
From: mac@ur.utk.ed (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: Whyforhowcome?
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:54:59 GMT

Whyforhowcome there's never anything in this newsgroup?
Newsgroups: tn.test
From: mac@ur.utk.ed (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: hmm yet again
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:37:31 GMT


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From: mac@ur.utk.ed (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: hmmm (last one, I hope)
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:54:08 GMT

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From: mac@ur.utk.ed (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: hmmm
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:05:30 GMT

wonder how come sometimes I can post and sometimes it just locks up my
box?
Newsgroups: tn.test
From: mac@ur.utk.ed (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: hmmm again
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:13:47 GMT

the previous post locked up my box, I had to reboot, but the posting
came through.  Strange...
Newsgroups: tn.talk
From: kovarik@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (StMeechTheThwacked)
Subject: Re: whyforhowcome?
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:49:22 GMT

In article <ldb628INNcn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape) writes:
>In article <mac.58@ur.utk.ed> mac@ur.utk.ed (Richard J. McDougald) writes:
>>Whyforhowcome there's never any Tennessee Talk in tn.talk?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	I believe it is "Whyforknowhow"
>
>	There is talk in Tennessee, but it is all just hot air.
>

No!  Who in the world would bother to talk if there's so much cheap
bourbon around!
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: tn.talk
Subject: Name that tune, mr. Spock!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:28:14 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

You provide illumination for the period of time
delimited by my nativity nd the complete cessation
of my metabolic functions.

And we will engage in much jubilant activity
until such time as the male parent chooses
to reposses the  vehicle of motorized transport.

Victor.
From: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore)
Newsgroups: tn.talk
Subject: Re: whyforhowcome?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:27:27 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Tenn. Computer Science, Knoxville
Distribution: world
Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: wilma.cs.utk.edu

In article <ldb628INNcn@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape) writes:
> 
> 	There is talk in Tennessee, but it is all just hot air.
> 

Most of it coming from preachers.

>    The American education system only teaches you to go into debt,
> 		fortunately, I know how to get out.

Out of the education system?

--
Keith Moore / U.Tenn CS Dept / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN  37996-1301
Internet: moore@cs.utk.edu      BITNET: moore@utkvx