From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:00:57 GMT

>                  THE ORIGIN OF WESTERN THINKING PROCESS:
>
>     Jesus is a Prophet of God, not a God or Son of God. 
>     God is a Creator, and the rest that exists is 
>all His Creation. 

I have a simple question, how do you know?

>     Jesus never said that he is a God or Son of God. Jesus never
>set up the cross as a symbol of what he preached. Jesus never
>talked about Santa Claus. Jesus was not born on December 25.
>     Jesus never preached a religion named "Christianity".
>     Jesus just taught Gospels. 
>     The rest of the bullshit was brought into this "religion"
>by the pagan emperor Constantine. He invented "Christmas",
>and brought pagan concepts [Son of God, died for your sins, etc.]
>into this religion. The church was a political institution,
>maintaining control over the hearts and minds of 
>those who submitted to it. But God is separate from what
>they preached. 

If I used this words to talk about Islam there would
be people calling for my assasination, isn`t that so?

>     Jesus is a Prophet of God, declares the Holy Quran.
>He did not die at the cross. He was raised to Heaven, and
>will return soon, to expose all the lies that all Christians
>except a handful have believed in for centuries.
>     Much is said about the Judeo-Christian tradition.
>There is no such thing. Go to the synagogue and ask any
>Jew what he thinks of Jesus. To the Jews, Jesus was an
>impostor. He was a threat to their economic system.
[..]    There are over 44 versions of the Christian Bible,
>many contradictory, and full of foul and obscene incidents.
>The books were written 80-120 years after the disappearance
>of Jesus [pbuh]. Paul was not even at the time of Jesus [pbuh].
>All conjectures, attributed to "inspirations". But, mainly
>lies. 
>    Christianity's shaping and driving force, in all its
>falsehoods, is from the European nations, who have not
>had much in common with the nature of the Prophet Jesus [pbuh],
>and are known the world over as colonizers of the planet
>for the sake of financial gain, of encouraging war and
>division in societies, of forever changing their morality
>in order to gain material gains, of sabotaging Trust wherever
>they went. 

By showing that Christianity is a lie you have not
proved that there was a political purpose behind it.
You need more evidence. Please post your ideas on
alt.conspiracy-theory.

>    The only true accounts of Jesus [pbuh] that were written
>were written at the time when he was there, by 
>the Saints that were with him. The Gospel of Barnabas was
>written by the Saint Barnabas, but this account was 
>suppressed by the pagan emperor Constantine at 
>the conference at Necia, as were other accounts by
>the contemporaries of Jesus [pbuh]. The emperor Constantine
>designed his own Christianity, and today that is what
>the people claiming to be Christians are following,
>except for a handful who are still connected to the truth
>of worship of a unitary God, separate from the personality
>of "Jesus [pbuh]".
>    Finally, the separation of Church and State was
>one of the results of the political schemes of the "Church".
>How can any act of a human being be separated from
>the injunctions of God, the Creator of All. But, the original
>true Gospels were mostly forever lost, by the continous
>tampering by politicians, and the mish-mash that was
>left makes no sense. So the separation of Church and State
>was inevitable.

This is unintelligible. What has the Church gained from
the separation from the State?

>    Once removed from the true injuctions of God, 
>societies were free to follow their own individual truths,
>without any responsibility to justice. Thus, western society
>is known for popularizing broken truths, of removing
>people from any feeling of belonging to a universal
>harmony-bringing truth. 

I see. Unfortunately the Islamic countries where there
is no such separation are not quite an example of harmony.

>This enables the rulers and
>movers and shakers of the western world to keep the world
>forever in Division, so that its material assets can
>be looted, and enjoyed by a select few.
>   This world has enough food for all, and is populated
>by mostly good people everywhere. Yet, those good people
>are in a state of confusion, and are under the yoke
>of economic slavery.

This is no news. It was so even before Christ. 
Somebody had an idea on how to solve it through
communism but it did not quite work. If you have
a program let`s hear it, but you must be concrete
not just rely on human kindness. You know, we are all good
people but each of us likes to have things his own way.

>   Freedom of speech is said to be there, Freedom of
>Morality is said to be there. But these two are perceived
>to have no value. Freedom of Economics is a freedom 
>that is not available but to a select few, and those
>select few will use any firepower necessary to
>protect and keep it for themselves.

What about freedom of Religion, are you for or
against?

People who think they know the truth scare me.
Yes, you scared me. How can people who think that
they know the truth be tolerant?

They will end up posting everywhere, even on
rec.martial-arts, as you did.

Think again about separation of Church and State,
it might just be one of the greatest achievement
of mankind.


sincerely,   Marco d`Arco
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