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From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: GAMBLER'S MATE Week 11
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:40:01 GMT
Organization: RIT Research Corp

In article <4520.120.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) writes:
>To those using GAMBLER'S MATE: Football Edition 1992,

I'm beginning to think this package is a joke. It doesn't really exist, does
it??? It couldn't be shareware, anyway -- it isn't in any of the usual spots.

If I've missed something obvious, please point me in the right direction
(and please keep the flames down to about sizzling hot, rather than white
heat).

Thank you.
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:54:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov18.225446.28776
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <17952@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:

>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>> Considering that Sklansky was a professional actuary and that Malmuth
>> is a professional mathematician, what makes you think that wasn't how
>> they created the tables in the first place??

>They *may* have used such tables, but if so it seems to me that they
>have adjusted them in the book according to how strong they feel
>certain pockets are IN PRACTICE.
>
>    For example
>    Group 1 has AA, KK, QQ, JJ,
>    Group 2 has TT
>    Group 3 has 99
>    Group 4 has 88 (third in the list)
>    etc.
>
>There are other examples of how unevenly distributed certain
>classifications of cards are, and it just doesn't *seem* to me
>that they have been arranged according to a purely mathematical
>evaluation.  Also since the ordering of the hands in the tables

This statement, along with the reference to Steve Jacobs' posting,
leads me to believe that you'd rank hands solely on their chances
of being the best hand.  BIG mistake (IMHO).  Consider JTs and 99 -
both group 3 hands.  One has a higher probability of winning, but
the other, when it wins, has a better chance to win a larger pot.
These two factors offset one another, and the EV of each hand is
close enough to group them together.

And as Sklansky is so fond of saying, the object of poker is not
to win pots, but to win money.  So, using a formal table of winning
probability is a flawed way to rank starting hands.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rlw@elan (Robert Wald)
Subject: Spree specials, deal for LV during Dec??
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:55:49 GMT

  Does anyone have info on gamblers spree packages or the like
from now till the end of the year to LV? The ones advertised around here
(NYC area) are all mediocre. $280 for 3 nights at a bad hotel and no
rebates. $399 for Flamingo with some meals, shows, with
12 hour $5 min $10 ave play rebate of $100 cash/$100 match chips. (All
with flight, of course).



  Is there some free room deal with the Las Vegas Advisor??  If so,
is it possible to subscribe real quick like (or someone have extra coupons?).
Thanks.


Anyone know how the weather gets in December??


-Rob


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:18:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152406.27514@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
>
>It would depend on how you had been playing the particular game, wouldn't
>it?  If you had been playing very loose, and been called on a couple of
>bluffs, perhaps standing pat with four of a kind could be a good play.
>On the other hand, if you were playing tight, drawing might be a better
>play, to give the appearance of drawing to a straight or flush or even
>two pair.
>
>Probably the best answer is "it depends".  It depends on the other players
>and how you think they perceive you.  This kind of question underscores the
>importance of understanding your opponents.

I think you should always draw to 4-of-a-kind.  It doesn't matter
who you are playing with or how you've been playing.

The only reason to stand pat would be to deceive the other players,
but drawing one card is *much* more deceptive.  You could have
anything from a four-straight to four-of-a-kind.  When you start
betting heavily after the draw, it could be because you are bluffing
with *nothing* or that you drew into a good hand.

By standing pat, you are telling the other players "You better fold
and save your money unless you draw to a straight or better."

I think it's a decent idea to stand pat *once in a while* with
two pair or 3-of-a-kind to mess with the other players minds.

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Excalibur was {Re: SD rules (was Re: AMEX Trop Deal)
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:37:11 GMT

In article <eric.114.0@hup.ucla.edu> eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) writes:
>About twenty years ago where the "world 
>largest souvenir shop" stands (on the strip) now was a casino with topless 
>female bj dealers.  Now that's a theme that screams LAS VEGAS.

So, what kind of penetration did they give ?  

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Guido


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: Deuces Wild Video Poker in Vegas
Keywords: VP, Deuces Wild
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:15:19 GMT

In article <Bxpu3M.EFy@ucunix.san.uc.edu> kaufman@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Stephen A. Kaufman) writes:

>By the way, Michael Hall, you never responded to my last
>postings on the subject of clumping.  I presume you are squirreled away
>running your simulator to challenge my claims.  Presto!

Geez, I was away on "business" Thursday night through Sunday.  But in any
case I don't think I'll get to it soon, as it has a low priority on my
list of things to do.

-- 
Michael Hall            \When you're down on your luck counting cards, just
NASA Ames Research Center\repeat this (CMU football) chant: "That's all right.
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \That's okay. They're going to work for us some day!"
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:35:50 GMT

>>Andrew William Jackson (ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
>>: 
>>From what I have seen in Nevada electronics devices including cameras are
>>"PROHIBITED". I Don't know if this is by law or house rules.

	I don't know about computers, but I noticed that in LV I attempted
	to use a camcorder and they confronted me with "that's a no-no, please
	put it away!". However, in Laughlin, the casinos had no problem
	with me using a camcorder inside the casino area...Go figure...
From: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: GAMBLER'S MATE Week 11
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) 

To those using GAMBLER'S MATE: Football Edition 1992,
  A problem has surfaced in updating week 11.  The system can lock up.
The problem exists within the file SYS1TEMP.92, which controls the 
TRENDS picks for each week.  The last several lines of the file, 
ERRONEOUSLY begin with "10," instead of "11,".  You need to edit all
lines that BEGIN with "10" and make them BEGIN with "11" (ONE KEYSTROKE
change...NO other data should be modified).  I will research the problem
within the TRENDS.EXE program and make the necessary corrections and 
file postings.  
   This is a new problem...sorry for any inconvenience that this may
cause.  Thank-you for continued interest and support.

Take care,

Mark E. Savey
GAMBLER'S MATE software - "Only systems that win!!"                    .
Endorsed by Mike Caro, the "Mad Genius" of Gambling!                   .
Winning for THIRD straight year!                                       .
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Subject: Re: Playing Double-up in roulette
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:47:30 GMT


Speaking of roulette, I noticed an interesting ad in the classifieds section
of the November ish of Gaming and Wagering Business magazine.  The ad looks
like it was designed with a DTP program, using a number of fonts, a shaded
box, etc. but I will try to express the gist here:

    New!  Spot Roulette 'Bias'
    WheelSentry(tm) For IBM PC and Compatibles

    Detect biased roulette wheels before players do!  WheelSentry
    is easy to use and deadly accurate.  Put sophisticated statistical
    analyses on your side real-time!

    *Easy to Use Guaranteed!
    *Beast Insurance!
    *By the Author of BJ TRACKER

    just $375 Introductory Price

    To Order...   1-800-995-1173       Australia 9-446-5159

    "We've been hit several times this year by 'bias' players.  They hit
    hard!  We were unaware until it was too late."
                        - large Las Vegas strip casino

    CASINO OPERATIONS CO, 2899 Agoura Rd-Ste 644, Westlake Vlg, CA 91361

I hasten to point out that I have no financial interest in this 
crackpot^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbusiness, I'm just reporting something interesting
that I ran across.

I guess that the idea here is to collect the results of all the spins
(by hand?) and feed them to a PC running this program and have it tell
you whether the numbers reveal a bias is the wheel/dealer combination.
How this qualifies as 'real-time' I don't know.

Anyone want to call this company and find out about the BJ TRACKER?
-- 
s/Martin Veneroso
slick@netcom.com
From: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.hou.tx.us (Jack Mcgee)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Red Lion - Elko
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehbbs.498.787.uupcb
Reply-To: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.hou.tx.us (Jack Mcgee)
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462

Thanks to those who offered their opinion of the Casino Express Junket
operated by the Red Lion Hotel/Casino in Elko, NV.  I thought it a
worthwhile trip, and will do it again, should they ever run another one
out of Springfield.  They want you to do all your gambling at their
casino, but that wasn't a problem for me as 1) the BJ rules were OK
(single deck) 2) I was too lazy to get a cab to go to wherever the
other casino(s) is.  Most of the customers were on the Casino Express
deal.  The casino is much like Vegas.   Most of the dealers are ugly,
but they are real friendly.  Cocktail waitresses love to get you drunk.
The hotel rooms are average, but OK.  Oh, and I left with some of their
money.  Even with my very limited counting skills, I could occasionally
take advantage of situations in a single deck game.  Pretty efficient
charter operation, the hotel security was operating the X-Ray machines
at the airport terminal.  They had that thing you walk through cranked
up all the way, don't know if my innards got cooked much, but credit
cards were setting this thing off.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Elevators smell different to midgets.
             
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From: jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:24:44 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

keith@taligent.com (Keith Rollin) writes:

> I'm not sure that ranking the pocket cards is possible or feasible.
> Position plays SUCH a large part of the game that you'd probably have to
> generate a chart for each position, also taking into account the number of
> folders, callers, and raisers before you. Also, because so many cards are
> visible and common, bluffing and psychology as well as the tightness of the
> game are significant factors.

M&S's table *is* a ranking of the pocket cards, so it is possible and
feasible.  M&S's tables don't take the issues you raise into account,
they discuss those issues in the chapters following the presentation
of the table.  However what you say is very important of course, I'm 
not sure that it relates to actually deriving the table.

> Personally, I don't think a "more accurate" chart would be useful. Malmuth
> and Sklansky have given me what I needed with their table -- a rough
> guideline of what can be played and when.

Perhaps you are right.  Maybe I'm getting too picky.  But we're all
looking for that little extra edge no?  Not only that but perhaps
questioning the GODS-M&S will help me to learn more about the game
than if I didn't ask the questions.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)
Subject: Re: roulette
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:17:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.220910.7749@oswego.Oswego.EDU> yacs3500@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Brandon Leib) writes:
>I found out that that the game of roulette is a big joke.
>No matter which type of bet you put down, the house will
>come out ahead in the long run.
>In other words, if you are dumb enough to play and you win,
>take your winnings and try something with better odds.
>For each game, the expectancy is -5.26
>In other words, the house will win 5 dollars in the long run 
>for every bet that is made (using $100 bet).
>So, no matter what the bet is, your expectancy will be a loss.
>Any comments?


	Well, first off I'm not a heavy gambler. I like playing the slots.
	So does my wife. Needless to say, we usually leave LV with a
	lot less money then we came with. (the only time I ever caught
	a royal, I had 4 qtrs in instead of five. cost me $1000.00!)
	Anyway, our last trip was earlier this month. We started out
	on the slots. For the first time, my wife got bored playing.
	I decided to try roulette. I bought in for .25 chips at $20.00.
	I played for about 3-4 hours. I won nearly $300.00!!! I probably
	went against every rule of winning by playing the same 6 numbers
	with 2 4-number corners. It felt great to take away all of the
	color chip I was using and then having them pay you in $5 and $25
	chips. So I left the table very much a happy man....
	Over the next couple days, I managed not to loose too much of it
	back. When I get back to LV, hopefully in the spring, Ill play
	roulette again.
From: price@chuckles.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Price)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: I got "counter-measured"!  What went wrong?
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:42:21 GMT
Reply-To: price@chuckles.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: chuckles

Wow! 

I've not played at Reno Hilton, only the Flamingo Hilton. They have 2
deck games, but other than that it is Vegas rules. I didn't know they
had SD at Reno Hilton.

It sounds like the dealer suspected you of counting, but not the pit
boss. According to your note, you didn't actually get barred, just
accused by the dealer. So my first question is, were you tipping the
dealer regularly? Sounds like you won a lot, were you placing dealer
bets (ie, paying hush money? :-)  Did you attempt to build a rapport
with him, since you were there, draining him, for 2.5 hours (hence
making him look bad to his boss)?

Second question, were you playing too "smart"? Avoiding strong plays
like splitting tens and taking insurance (when it is advantageous)
might actually make you look smarter to the dealer, because a dealer
frequently might assume that only a non-counter would split tens or
buy insurance. Were you pulling back bets when the dealer shuffled?

When playing at the Flamingo, I play at slow times if possible, with
small ranges in bets, and attempt to strike up a conversation with the
dealer. I act very dumb. A good act for me is to frequently appear to
not be able to count up the value of my hand (which isn't much of an
act for me, especially when I'm trying to compute the true count! :-)
I ask the dealer the value if I get a handful of low cards, particularly
if I have one or more aces. At other times I ponder the hand just a
tiny bit longer than would be necessary for the average player, appearing
to have difficulty figuring my hand.

I play a solid basic strategy game, including splits and DD, but I
don't range my bets too agressively (1-4 units typically, and not all at 
once).

I tip the dealers regularly, by placing bets on their behalf. Surprisingly,
the dealers seem more friendly to you if you *lose* a few of those
bets, particularly if you played good strategy but just got lousy cards.

Last time I played the pit critter spent an unusual amount of time
around our table, so I ordered drinks (but sipped them slowly), acted
dumb, and tipped a lot. He didn't seem to mind that I doubled my stake
right under his nose.

Oh, and finally, I'd recommend only converting a small amount of your
table stake to chips at one time. Keeping just a few chips out, and
having to periodically convert money to chips is 1) a good way to
appear to be losing, and 2) potentially a good opportunity to squirrel
away winning chips. Having a large stack in front of you is not
a good idea, IMHO.

I'm sure other net.gamblers have better advice!

-chuck
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: tjn@iastate.edu (Tony J Neyens)
Subject: Re: Net Poker Server Problems???
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:03:51 GMT

In article <1ee0p6INNf0o@crcnis1.unl.edu> jdodson@cse.unl.edu (James Dodson)
 wrote:
>I am in (in a manner of speaking) the current Hold'Em tourney
>here on the net, and until yesterday things were fine.
>I didn't get any poker mail from the server yesterday (I know
>our table is slow, but _no_ mail is unusual).  I sent requests
>for a hand update and an overall score last night, and I got
>mail error messages in my mailbox this morning (something about
>unknown address or something...).
>
>Anyone else had these problems??? Any clues???

There apparently is trouble with the account on the machine.  By the way, here
is the message I got in return from commander.itc.cmu.edu, for anyone
interested:

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:40:03 -0500
From: MAILER-DAEMON@commander.itc.cmu.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
Message-Id: <9211182241.AA40322@commander.itc.cmu.edu>
To: <tjn@iastate.edu>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
/u/floorman/bin/dealer: bsh: 0402-012 The fork function failed. Too many
   processes already exist.
554 "|/u/floorman/bin/dealer"... unknown mailer error 1

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
[message deleted --Tony]


(Is the server trying to do too much at once, and just broke?  Hmmmm...)

--Tony (tjn@iastate.edu)  

-- 
Tony Neyens, a student at Iowa State University
This account:  tjn@iastate.edu
Others:  bw090@cleveland.freenet.edu  -or-  TABN9@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
From: stantz@sierra.corp.sgi.com (Mark Stantz)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: New Service: SFO<->RNO $35 each way (no advance)
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:18:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


	Despite the ba distribution, this message will no doubt leak outside
the Bay Area.  Nonetheless...

	To inaugurate their new service between SFO and RNO, Reno Air is 
offering $35 no-advance one-way tickets ($45 no-advance 1st class).  This
price should be available until mid-January, at which time the no-advance
rate will jump to $60 I think.  

	Check out Reno Air.  Looks like they're going to be pricing along
the lines of Southwest, but not trying too hard to compete with them in the 
exact same markets.

	-Mark
From: seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: LASERs - rangefinders?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.9211161901.AA05309
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, USA

Gary

	Re: RADAR/LASER range finding.

 Your point about timing is well taken, but what about if you send out a chirp,
with the frequency increasing.  If you assume a stationary target, you can 
look at the difference between the frequency you get back, and the frequency
you are transmitting (beat them against each other).  If you know the rate
that you are increasing the output frequency, you will know the round trip 
time.  Of course this would only work for a RADAR, not a Laser.

				Seth
From: rob@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rob Cuthbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Anti-terrorist rifle...?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:12:10 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

H.S. Doyle (n0an7@turing.newcastle.ac.uk) writes:
#
# [ ... ] 
#The bullpup one you're talking about has to be the Walther WA-2000 sniper 
#rifle. It fires something like a 10.6 gram slug at 980mps and is the most 
#advanced sniper rifle around. Not sure of the weight off the top of my head 
#but I think it was under 15 pounds. The Walther design team picked .308 cal 
#because it was the most powerful load widely available in that calibre 
#range, and apparently the rifle is *extremely* accurate, and has a muzzle 
#brake that eliminates 50% of the recoil with no reduction in accuracy. Nice 
#gun if you've got the cash!
#

For those of us who still use archaic measures, that's a 68 or 69 grain slug
at 3215 fps.

--Rob Cuthbertson, rob@spot.Colorado.EDU