From: cullen@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Subject: Re: The merits of Power amps!  was: Peavey, etc!
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:07:11 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Mark Payne writes:
> REGARDING STUFF ON POWER AMPS AND PEAVEY..
(Oh, yeah, I'm the double and quad > marks. Mur) 
> I like 2U 1K units .. I like the Carver for its weight. In the UK I'm sure the
> power situation is much better. The 2K Harrison/Carver rack is happy off one
> 240V 13A feed and I'll also load on one CS800 if pushed. At 240V rather than 
> 110V the losses in the power frontend are reduced by a factor of 4 (losses are
> I^2*R). On an AB test with the Harrison, the CS1200 and the Carver (all 1.2K)
> running the subs.. I can't tell the difference. 

Yes, but what about mids\upper mids, is there a difference there?
 
> I have heard it said that you can hear a Carver recovering from a kick drum 
> beat but I think that this is crap.. Maybe true on a 110V supply which most
> of netland will be on.

You can, but that's when you've got a really big kit and the line voltage is 
dropping down to 105-100 at the distro.

>>This is totally different than that a normal compressor or limiter
>>does.  It's the same NET effect but the DDT is inside the feedback loop of
>>the amp!  It's a geat place to have that kind of protection.
  
>>>>tech rider, the first item is *NO EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURED BY PEAVEY
>>>>CORPORATION IS AN ACCEPTABLE SUBSTITUTE FOR ANY ITEM IN THIS RIDER*.
 
> Now this is just stupid. I'd never want to work with people who make these 
> sort or requests because they will turn out to be prejudiced assholes in 

Glad to meet you too mark!

> 101 other areas as well. These are the same peeps that ask for a 40 CH 10K
> rig for a 500 capacity venue. They can normally be found being "road managers"
> for crap indie bands because they play worse than the members of the band  
> (difficult) and they know shit about sound. "We only use SM58's on vocals" 

Well, I play guitar worse than most of those bands, because I don't play
guitar- or piano-or bass-or drums-or sing. However, I do play bass trombone,
tuba and sousaphone well enough to get paid for it, and also tenor trombone,
baritone, and euphonium.

> he said as I shrugged and put away the Beyer M88's. "We must have a gate on 
> the snare and overheads"... The venue is for 150+ and the snare is out 
> of the PA and its still too loud.

Well, I'm guilty of "I'll only use a 535 on *his* vocal, because its the 
only thing I've tried that suits" but then again, I will have asked for a 
535 on the rider for lead vocal, or brought one. As for gating and such 
with drums, that's just stupidity.

If I show up at a gig where I've asked for 16ch,one or two sweep mids
four auxes (ex. Yamaha PM1200, Soundcraft Delta, Soundcraft 200B)
and get a Peavey SRC instead, I'm pissed, because that just isn't in the 
same ballpark. That's what the line is for, or for asking for
2x31 band equalisers (Ex Klark-Technik, White, Urei) and getting 15 year old
peavey 1U shit instead, that's been sitting in a basement for 8 years.

Oh, yeah and i don't do sound for crap indie bands, because they
can't afford me. I do sound for venues that do that type of show, but then 
the venue pays me.

>>I think that the key phrase here is "make it work". I have used CS800s
 
> You don't have to "make it work". This is a fine amp for the money. In the

I keep trying to say that there are better amps, at least in my area, FOR
LESS MONEY than a CS800.

Besides, for half the gigs I do, I could get by with 30 W per box, it just 
has to be really good clean 30W.

> UK I can get them at 500. The inputs are only quasi balanced but the 
> Xover is doing this job anyway and we build in balancing Xformers into the 
> monitor racks.
 
> Bottom Line..
 
> If you want quality amps, don't suffer from designer label mentality, have 

Hey, a lot of people that have never heard of Crest think that Peavey
IS a designer label.

> a big van with a tail lift (as Chris has told us more than once :-) and are
> on a budget (who isn't), Then the Peavey Cs800 and CS1200 are good amps.

There, I've gotten through the whole post without being rude or obnoxious,
even though Mark is infering that I am an ignorant prejudiced asshole.
Prejudiced maybe (who isn't about something), asshole sometimes, but
not ignorant by a long shot.
						Mur
						Cullen@ac.dal.ca
						Cullen@ug.cs.dal.ca
 
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:15:33 GMT
Subject: Re: DOD 1642 MIXER?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA