HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gboja@romenda.esd.sgi.com (Glenda Ramil)
Subject: federal record service corp
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:16:03 GMT

hi all,

Has anyone heard or dealt with "Federal Record Service Corp"?
I thought I read some discussions about them a while back but
I'm not sure.  The reason I am asking is that I recieved something
from them through the mail.  It is basically an application for
my baby's SSN (ie.  they will process the paperwork for you for
a $15.00 fee).  I'm wondering if they're legit.

thanks for any info.

-- 

**************************************************************************

Glenda Boja Ramil			"No one can make you feel inferior
gboja@esd.sgi.com			 without your consent"
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: philf@xymox.palo-alto.ca.us (Phil Fernandez)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Jade and Jett Incorporated
Distribution: default
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:05:38 GMT

In article <gdavis.725556094@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
>...
>acceptance.. except if you're in Israel. They circumcised every Russian
>immigrant.. many of whom where obviously not Jewish.

Do you have a citation or some sort of concrete evidence for this
assertion?  I don't believe it.

pmf

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From: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (BOUCHER DAVID            )
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:43:54 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Dec19.063547.6275@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

>[...]  One thing I do see; a vast majority of the kids
>who end up in juvenile care facilities are from divorced homes.  Usually
>the girls run away because: (a) daddy's new girl friend ran them off
>(I work with two sisters that this happened to) or (b) they HATE their
>new step-dad. 

(a) and (b) are the same.  They ran away because they didn't get along with
custodial parent's new SO.  The way it is phrased here seems to imply that
in both cases the problem is essentially the fault of men.  Either (a) daddy
dumped mommy for a scheming little homewrecker who doesn't want the kids
around or (b) step-dad is such a jerk (and probably an abuser too) so the kids 
can't stand to be around him. 

I don't think that's really what you meant to imply... maybe when you were
writing this you were thinking about your foster son's father, who does sound
like a jerk from the way you describe him.  However, I don't think he is typicalof the men who get caught up in the Child Protection/Support/Custody Meat
Grinder.  Like the rain, it comes down on the good and the evil with equal
force.

- db
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Here a study, there a study....
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:39:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.115140.119671@marshall.wvnet.edu> swk004@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
>...infant walkers.  Studies on ear infections.  Studies on ear tubes.
>Studies on the rate of c-sections. Here a study, there a study, 
>everywhere a study, study.  (Everybody join in now, "ol' misc.kids
>had a study, eieio.....)

God forbid we should deal in empirical data instead of anecdotes.

>But more interesting, we've got people saying "no, that study is
>wrong, the researchers failed to take into account that..."

Of course.  The methodology in any study must be scrutinzed
carefully before one can be sure of the conclusions.

>Ya'll are making my point for me.  A study is only authoritative 
>until the next one comes out.  Seems to me we ought to be using a 
>whole lot more common sense about these things.

Wrong conclusion, I think.

Studies, and statistical inference in general, are the foundation of
modern science.  Done properly, they are the only way that general
conclusions can be draw from available data.  While no one study is
definitive, one can draw meaningful conclusions by looking at all the
studies, looking critically at the methodologies involved, and looking
at patterns which emerge.  Saying that X is or isn't true because a
particular study said so is not valid reasoning if most other valid
studies have indicated otherwise.  But it is just as wrong to throw out
the whole idea of studies and statistics because of apparent
contradictions.  There will always be evidence on both sides of any
medical issue; the question is where the *preponderance* of evidence from
well-constructed studies lies.

Common sense is great, but it is often wrong.  Common sense would tell
us that the Sun goes around the Earth, that heavier objects fall faster
than light ones, that the chances of a coin coming up heads increase
the more times it comes up tails, that turning a thermostat way up will
heat a house faster.  But these are all incorrect.  There is a place
for common sense and a place for science.  Adn the biggest problem with
common sense is that it isn't all that common.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why didn't Santa bring me a car?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:49:04 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

marita_gonsalves@ncsu.edu (Marita Gonsalves) writes:
>Having explained to her that Santa has to bring toys for all the kids in
>the world, how do we respond if she finds out that "Santa" brought a car
>for one of her friends in pre-school.  Any advice/suggestions would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>Marita Gonsalves
How about
1. Santa having limited stock of cars ?
2. The other friend has been asking it for last 3 years ?
3. santa could not bring them what they wanted last year ?

regards,
Aniruddha Kortikar (kortikar@mipos2.intel.com)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: Cute things they do (2.5 years)
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:04:20 GMT


Mt daycare providerd daughter, Katie, is 2.5 years old, my son is 14 months
old.  This week we moved my son from the port-a-crib to the floor for naps.
Katie and Philip were playing when Philip got tired, Katie noticed and told
her mom it was time for Philip to go nite-nite.  Stacey agreed.  Katie quick 
said Mommy I put Philip to sleep.  Ran into the bedroom and got out his mat,
blanket and binky. Philip follows her everywhere so in he goes, she layed him
down, gave him his binky, covered him up, kiss him on teh cheek, and he went to
sleep.  About 20 minutes later, Katie disappears,  Stacey goes to check on her 
in the playroom but finds her laying next to my son, with her arm around him,
covered up, both sound asleep.  It is great to know how much my son is loved
at his daycare.


Happy Holidays to all

Nanette
salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: Toddler Genital Names (was: "Stop Grabbing Your Penis!")
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:55:05 GMT

In article <9212292010.AA17689@crl.ucsd.edu> dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson) writes:
>
>WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE BELOW !!  :-)   :-)
>
[stuff deleted]

>So I'd love to hear the net.wisdom on this one.  I think many are in
>my position of starting from the beginning, since I think "dowm there"
>is about as specific as my mother got!
>
>Laura Dolson
>dolson@crl.ucsd.edu
>
>
Daniel is only 7 weeks old, so who knows how our language will evolve.
It is certainly my intent to teach him that his penis is a penis and not
something else.  My husband and I usually bathe him together in the tub,
and as Skip washes Daniel's anal-genital area he always says, "and now we'll
wash possible."  This comes from Skip's grandmother's advice - "Wash up
as far as possible, and down as far as possible, and then wash possible." 

We have jokingly used this word throughout our marriage - it has become one
of those "family words" that has meaning only to us.
From: cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Protecting children in Public Schools
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:23:51 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <dlhanson.19.725753805@nap.amoco.com> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com  
(David L. Hanson) writes:
> I saw this posted on USENET last week. Since my children are  
homeschooled,
> they are not subjected to these kinds of indoctrination and prying but  
for
> those whose children are incarcerated in the public socialist system,  
this
> information can help you to protect them.
> 
..letter deleted

I appreciate the idea that parents stay informed. I think that is very
important. However, how are children going to learn how to think about
REAL issues without dealing with the topics in your list? Like nuclear
war, the role of "moral issues" (we went to war over a few moral issues!),
trust building (blindfolded walks), joural keeping, organic evolution,
etc. I guess that your children cannot participate in social-studies
classes, history lessons in any form, or most types of writing...don't
reveal any personality! You can't have very interesting reading lessons..
I guess that you can do some mathematics...

I think many parents who are afraid of having their authority undermined
distrust teachers and public education. The parents are afraid that 
teachers will encourage children to think for themselves...and possibly
question their parent's values. I also believe that you should encourage
the questions, so that children can really adopt the values as their
own instead of just having them as their tradition.

For example, when I was in high school, I did an awful lot of questioning
about my parents religion. My mother encouraged it. I learned a lot
about "my" religion and about the rest of the world....and my faith is
very strong having undergone that testing.
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Letters to Santa
Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:58:07 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

I was done at the San Francisco Post office today, going through the
letters to Santa that end up in the dead letter office. They have a
Santa's Little Helper program, where one can go in and select a few
letters and try to fulfil the wishes of the kids who write to Santa.
Some of the letters were really heartbreakers, like the one by a 
little girl asking Santa for her lost Shih-Tzu dog back. Another touching
one asked for nothing except that Santa wake her up when he came so she
could talk to him. Of course, there were those who had make four page long
lists of what they wanted, and typewritten too!!! ( The Super NES system
seemed to be the most requested gift... Santa better have some shares
in Nintendo... ) Another thing I noticed as I leafed through the letters
were the way the kids had addressed them:- Mr and Mrs Santa Claus,
North Pole, 00000. or simply Santa Claus.

Anyway, I did choose one letter sent by a woman who listed the names of
several children, their ages and their sizes. So now I have two gifts
waiting to be delivered... =)

And if anyone has a Shih-Tzu pup for sale, please drop me a line. I can
call the SFPHOgJ[gVDZ,g`41x|tmc@m^xut:x
From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Subject: Eliana
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:35:43 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29611]: caesar


 Thank you to everyone who sent words of love and prayer to us. The
 response has been overwhelming. I am sorry that I did not reply in
 person to everyone, but the last couple of weeks have been hectic.

  Ellie spent a week in the hospital having test after test. We survived
 them all more or less intact (except that I almost passed out when
 the doctor drew blood from her head.)

  Ellie is now on ACTH. The drug lowers her immunity. I cannot go back to
 work untill she is off the drug (2 months) as I am a teacher and
 am around kids all day. Also it would be impossible to put Ellie
 in daycare now . The drug also makes her gain weight. She looks cute!

  Ellie is responding to the medecine. The seizures have reduced             .
 considerably, but they haven't stopped. She now gets about 2-6
 a day. Previously she was having approx. 30. She mainly gets seizures
 when she is upset, so ironically she gets them in the morning when I give
 her her shot of ACTH!


  Her father and I oscillate between great hope and great despair.
 We have seen some amazing changes in Ellie since she started the medecine.
 Her head control is better, she rolls to the side, she pulls my hair,
 she smiles all the time, she vocalizes more. Ellie is receiving
 intense physical therapy. I try to stimulate her every way I can think of.
 We are trying to teach her how to use her body and brain. We had
 some encouraging news, she is not that far behind developmentally, I hope
 it keeps up.

  My older daughter, Tovah, is acting very strangely. She insists that her
 name is Ellie and that Ellie is Tovah. Tovah also acts like her sister.
 I think I give Tovah enough attention, but maybe I'm wrong. Now comes
 the difficult job of helping the normal child to feel as important as the
 "special" child.

  I am glad to be home. Spending a week in the pediatric ward really
 changes your perspective on life. When Ellie was first diagnosed and they
 told us how bad it could be, I actually found myself envying the
 parents of terminally ill children. At least they could see an end
 to their pain and could get the grieving over with. Now, I feel that
 there is hope. Ellie is so beautiful and wonderful.

   Now to my questions...
   Does anyone have any toy recommendations for stimulating play?
   Does anyone know of a good Physical therapy text?
   Any suggestions on how to stimulate Ellie when we are in the car?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: **> DISCOVERY TOYS <**
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:34:32 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 69dd9280aabbaaf4842acbbf8c64ef98

In article <1992Dec29.195315.19442@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
>I also have found hawking of Discovery Toys to be on the increase.
>Lots of little ads in the local paper and the Chicagoland parents-of-kids
>publications.  And I agree that they are very nice toys, but premium-priced.
>Out of our range, usually.
>

We purchased some Discovery toys, the marble tracks, at our state fair last
year.  After dumping about $30.00 (u.s.) on the toys, my wife asked if we could
have a catalog. "Sure," the discovery toys hawker said, "that'll be four 
dollars."  My wife shot a look at the hawker that, if looks could kill, 
convinced the hawker to give us the catalog for free.
-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 04:22:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.210135.19604@jmb2.jmb.com> lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:
>The One and Only (jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: It is hard for us to let continue a practice with no good reason that involves
>: a non-consenting third party.  It would be a totally different matter if
>: the decision were your's about your body.
>
>Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about corporal punishment?  If I had to
>guess, I would say that you are probably opposed to it, perhaps strongly so.
>It is probably hard for you (and this "us" you mentioned) to let continue a
>practice with "no good reason" that involves a non-consenting third party.

Good analogy...NOT!

>Frankly, it's none of your business, unless it crosses the line into child
>abuse.  Here's hoping it stays none of your business in the future.

Child abuse is much closer to the issue.

>As far as circumcision is concerned, I guess I'm "on the fence".  However, I
>definitely don't believe that you (and "us") have the right to impose your
>views on others.

Can you explain why child abuse is my (or anyone's) business where I can impose
my views (child protection) and circumcision is not?

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:32:06 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Katherine knows that the Santa Claus story is a pretend game. She
enjoys it nonetheless. She knows the truth and she enjoys the fantasy,
and there's no lying involved.

			---Kayvan
-- 
| Kayvan Sylvan, Sylvan Associates, kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM, (408) 978-1407  |
| Consulting, Training, Development, SysAdmin, {BSD,SVr3,SVr4} Unix Systems  |
| "Think Globally, Act Locally." "Only you can make your dreams come true."  |
| Proud Dad of Katherine Yelena (born 8/8/89) & Robin Gregory (born 2/28/92) |
From: cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Childcare Holiday standards
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:18:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1hd0hqINNp9s@male.EBay.Sun.COM> valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM  
(Valerie Jorge) writes:
> In article <27378@sybase.sybase.com> peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock)  
writes:
> >I have a question for those of you who use day care.  How do your  
daycare
> >providers charge for Holidays/Vacations?


We pay our "provider" a salary, independant of holidays and sick days.
She gets a check once a month.....50 weeks of pay. She typically takes
the regular holidays off, we take at least 10 other days off, usually
more. I think that daycare workers deserve the same kind of schedules that  
regular employers provide. 
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From: giamomj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike G.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:26:44 GMT
     <NELSON.92Dec20214732@cheetah.clarkson.edu>
     <1992Dec21.040342.7660@cs.mun.ca>
Organization: Drexel University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

Re: A few facts about circumcision

In article <NELSON.92Dec23140510@cheetah.clarkson.edu> Russ Nelson,
nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu writes:
>Compare risks vs. benefits.  Which of the benefits of circumcision is
worth
>the (small) risk of emasculation?



You don't get it, Russ....the whole problem with routine circumcision is
that it's done without the consent of the owner. How would you like to
have the engine of your soon-to-be-yours brand new car have the cylinders
burned out from lack of oil before you take ownership? It's an ethical
thing, man...and if you want a foreskin for erotic reasons, then its a
sexual one, too.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Maternity lv and day care
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.151026.16185@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>
>So far the followups to this post (the ones I've seen) have all
>suggested that leaving the older child in care, even a few days
>a week, will make the older child feel rejected and unhappy.
>
>Let me tell you about my friend who took her older boy out of
>home-based care at age 3 when his younger sister was born, and
>kept him out throughout her nine month leave. He was desparately
> lonely. The baby was very demanding and wouldn't take a pacifier:

In response to this thread I keep thinking: why don't mother, toddler,
and baby all go to the toddler's daycare for a short time each week?   
I can't remember if the original poster had home-based daycare.
My day care provider would probably love to have another adult around.
I can tell she likes to swap baby stories--we often get talking at 
the end of the day. But I think you should pay her for the hours you are
there: after all, she (or he?) gets paid for having people in his/her
home.

Question: does anyone have a male daycare provider/center worker that
is not the father of the children?

--Ashley, ashley@oar.net
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Why Circumcise?
Keywords: Circ
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:05:30 GMT

  It is probably quite noteworthy that only in the United States would
it be asked,"Why not circumcise". This attitude above all others
demonstartes how culturally biased much of the society is concerning
the pratice.
Yes,some men who are circumcised attempt to dismiss the issue as trivial
or a personal choice for the parents,but this cannot erase the truth that
a growing number of men feel victimized at birth. An infant has no legal
rights and can hardly fight back,indeed an infant feels the pain of
circumcision as one of his first experiences with the world.
If we can welcome girls without pain,why not boys also.

Although much of what has just been said may be flamed as overly
sentemental garbage,the proof of what circumcision actually is is best
tested in societies which do-not perform it or are unfamiliar with it.
I,a number of years ago called our state's child protective services
and described a circumcision in general terms,without actually coining
the word circumcision. She told we what I had described was definately
child abuse and wanted more specifics. After I told her I had just
decribed an event which takes place thousands of time per day in the
U.S.A. and gave it a name;she then abruptly sounded distant and
implied my attitude must be rather strange (in effect I'm wierd).
She then hung up the phone. People,lets open our eyes!
Circumcision is socially sanctioned child abuse without a doubt.




--
            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
 The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
 palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Violence. Does type matter?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:01:22 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1992Dec20.165106.26170@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:
...
>(Sigh.) I've probably misunderstood this, and if so please accept my
>apologies; but I can't just let it pass without comment. 
>
>Do you [meaning me, I presume] mean that parents who oppose spanking do so only because they
>cannot distinguish between force and violence?
>
>A simple "no" will suffice! The very last thing I want to do is to
>start up that whole thread again.
>

No.  I would never make such a broad, sweeping generalization.

Well, hardly ever.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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