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Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Reach Clinton on Compuserve
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:48:00 GMT
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From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Frying one's brain / DMT
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:34:01 GMT
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Dec16.182653.16425@midway.uchicago.edu> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>The only permanent effects of LSD and its close
>relatives seem to be mediated through psychological and cognitive
>mechanisms.  That is, you're permanently changed by any experience you
>have and acid isn't any different, but nothing more profound seems
>to be going on. 

"Profundity" isn't quite what's lacking.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: HEMP PAPER!
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:22:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1484000084:000:2900
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: HEMP PAPER!
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:20:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1484000083:000:2900
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From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: UK drug policies as depicted on CBS "60 minutes"
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:08:11
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com


The 60 minutes shown on Sunday December 28 had a segment on UK drug
policies.  The theme was that the UK was ONCE AGAIN freely distributing
"drugs" [they only mentioned heroin and cocaine] to people who could prove
they were addicts.  This is done via prescription.  For some number of
years [during the Iron Maiden's rule??], the UK had followed the US's War
on Some Drugs tactics.  Having found that drug addiction and availability
"skyrocketed", the returned to their previous policy of treating drug
dependent people by providing them with inexpensive [free] fixes.  

Clearly this piece was meant to deliver a message.  While I probably agree
with the message [i.e., the wosd's is counterproductive], the CBS program
dealt exclusively with interviews with several people in Liverpool.  All of
them agreed with the policy.  The program did not provide any data.  So,
here are some questions that I have.  Maybe someone in the UK can respond.
I will post a summary for the net if you respond via e-mail.

Questions:

1.  When did the policy of prescribing drugs to addicts change to
"prohibition"?  What was the motivation for the change? 

2.  How completely has the policy changed "back"?  Or has changed back at
all?  [I.e., is this Liverpool policy just a pilot?]

3.  What are the positions of the various political parties in the UK vis a
vis drug policy?

4.  How important is [was] the AIDS problem in stimulating change?  [Note:
the last time that I was in the UK, even the most conservative newspaper
could not understand how the US could avoid having needle exchange
programs.  Little do they know how hard being rational is in the US
political climate. :-(]

jim

Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Eliminating the Underclass
Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:56:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) says:

>>>>     I'd think plain old opium would be a lot more popular than either
>>>	Sure, if you like sucking in lots of hot tarry smoke
>>>	and prefer a weak high to an intense one. 

>     Beer and wine are a lot more popular than pure grain alcohol. And

	Of course, because grain alcohol tastes like poison and the
	other two don't.   If heroin and morphine were nasty tasting
	industrial solvent type liquids and opium was a nice tasting 
	one, then the analogy would apply very well.

>I know more people who've used opium than heroin or morphine.

	Somewhere where all three are legal?   That was the original
	question.

JD
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,alt.individualism,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy)
Subject: Re: "U.S. Drug Laws Clash With Somali Tradition"
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.105347.9108@gagme.chi.il.us> doctor1@gagme.chi.il.us (Patrick B. Hailey) writes:
>===========================================================================
>Chicago Tribune 12/14/92 Sec 1 Pg 5
>
>U.S. Drug Laws Clash With Somali Tradition
>By Liz Sly
>
>     MOGADISHU-If there is one thing Somalis are even more attached to than
>their guns it is qat, the leafy green drug flown in daily from Kenya to
>sustain the national habit of this beleaguered country.
.... stuff deleted ....
>     In Somalia, qat chewing is above all a social activity, he said.  (It is
>pronounced "cot" and sometimes spelled khat or kat).  Somalis gather at the
>end of the day to chew and chat until they eventually fall asleep.
...more stuff deleted to save space...


Boy, imagine the uproar in this country if WE were the ones receiving
the aid, and the troops that were stationed here decided that
COFFEE was a drug, and that it should be banned.
Imagine all the offices all around the US that would lose tremendous
amounts of productivity because it was illegal to let their workers
wake up to the day with a cup of joe.

The Washington post made a really horrible gaff by saying something
about qat being realted to cocaine.  what complete bullshit.  up until
a few years ago, quat used to be one of Colorado's big cash crops until
government fear and the qar on drugs decided to make it illegal in the
US.  the stuff has the kick of WEAK COFFEE.  iff you chew it all day
you MIGHT actually catch a weak buzz.  sounds almost like chewing
tobacco to me.
From: tom.potts@synapse.org (Tom Potts) 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: BEE VEDOM: Where to use?
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: tom.potts@synapse.org (Tom Potts) 

Quoting message #1246 titled BEE VEDOM: Where to use?, from
Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurie to All, in the (1359) UT-POLdrug
conference, posted Monday December 21st, 1992:

ONY>From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
ONY>Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
ONY>Subject: BEE VEDOM: Where to use? Information needed.
ONY>Message-ID: <AA7qSChGv5@gepard.msk.su>
ONY>Date: 18 Dec 92 13:07:19 GMT
ONY>Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

ONY>Dear gentlemen!
ONY>Here in Russia we are going to produce bee vedom. Would you help us in findi
ONY>medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
ONY>scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
ONY>     Sincerely  Nickolay Ovcharenko
ONY>     nick@gepard.msk.su
ONY>     fax (095)-135-70-30
---
         Later..........................................
                                                        Tom Potts

 . Written at 4:14am, Tuesday December 22nd, 1992.
 . HAL 9000 . CON is the opposite of PRO - i.e. Congress and Progress
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: BEE VENOM:Who might need it in pharmacology
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 13:01:29 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

Dear gentlemen!
Here in Russia we are going to produce bee vedom. Would you help us in finding
medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
     Sincerely  Nickolay Ovcharenko
     nick@gepard.msk.su
     fax (095)-135-70-30
From: pfotenjr@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: USA Today blip (or this ain't Russia, is it?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:06:24 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

from USA Today, 22 Dec.,'92 (reprinted w/o permission):


	"CRIME BARRICADE:  Residents of a crime-plagued section
	 of Lawrence, Mass., were issued passes and required to
	 travel through a police checkpoint to get home.  Police
	 said the tactic will help stop drug dealing to buyers 
	 from the suburbs.  License-plate numbers of cars entering 
	 the area were recorded and letters to be sent to the
	 owners."

*******************************************************************************
Hmmmmmm?  What next, mandatory piss tests before you can buy groceries?

The WoD absurdity continues........


jrwpfotenhauer
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: BEE VENOM:Who might need it in pharmacology?
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd

Dear gentlemen!
Here in Russia we are going to produce bee venom. Would you help us in finding
medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
     Sincerely  Nickolay Ovcharenko
     nick@gepard.msk.su
     fax (095)-135-70-30
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From: honig@binky.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: "U.S. Drug Laws Clash With Somali Tradition"
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,alt.individualism,alt.society.civil-liberty
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:48:34 GMT

 zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>
>	I guess this means that the US has unofficially annexed Somalia into
>the United States, forcing it to abide by all of its laws, and not giving it
>the "benefits" of being a state. I had thought the US decided a long time
>ago not to acquire additional territory-- wasn't that decision made back
>after WWI? Ah, regression.
>

Get a clue.  We can do whatever the fuck we want.  We can kidnap foreigners
in their own countries, even.  We can tell the UN what to do, but not
vice-versa.

--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space,sci.space
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Distribution: usa, world
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:55:18 GMT

dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

>John McCarthy (jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>> Let me add to the previous post the estimate that the total amount of
>> matter humanity has processed in its history is less than 10^12 tons.
>> --
>> John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>> *
>> He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>>
>So let's do arithmetic: assume 5e10 people have lived to date.  That's
>20 tons per person across all of human history.  Divide by a human life:
>0.5 to 0.3 tons per year.  Say a few pounds a day.  Well, I think we know
>what kind of processing this number figures to represent.  Alimentary, my
>dear Watson.

That sounds like a lot of crap to me!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist...:))

-JTT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
Organization: Boeing
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:35:15 GMT

While there may or may not be valid long-term Economic/Scientific/Cultural
reasons for a space program, I think the most likely reason that space access
will become a necessity is military. While the US may not choose to pursue
space colonization for reasons of military protection/dominance, the next
superpower is quite likely to do so. Space affords too many military 
advantages for it not to be exploited by a growing power.

I'm waiting for the day when a government takes out a ship using a KE weapon
dropped from orbit. This could be as revolutionary as the day the first ship
was sunk by carrier-bourne aircraft.
 
-- 
 Bob Hall                   |  if [ -bs message ]; then
 Boeing Computer Services   |      mv message /compost/heap/$$
 root@chicken.ca.boeing.com |  fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Government-run programs  Was: Re: Justification for the Space Program
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:41:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.145537.9264@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
>In article <C00w78.H6E@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:

>> Progress cannot be made when the Luddites are running the show.  It is
>> only perceived threats to the country which can get reasonable action
>> by any government.  Where would astronomy be if the attitude of such as
>> Paul Dietz prevailed?  Our benefits from astronomy are very few indeed.
>> Any society which tries to prevent people from climbing mountains is
>> oppressive, and the same goes for space exploration.


>A masterful example of doublespeak.  Bleah.

>Listen, astronomers don't have any right to a blank check of the
>treasury.  Nor do space fans, or aerospace companies.  And questioning
>government priorities is not the same as proposing that people be
>prevented from some action.  The government doesn't subsidize mountain
>climbing; why should it subsidize much more expensive space escapism?

>Astronomy, in the absence of government funds, would be supported by
>private funds, as it was before the government horned in.  Comparing
>the cost/scientific benefit of Keck vs. HST, this would, I think, not
>be a bad idea.  No doubt funding would be lower, and no doubt Herman
>thinks this is an incredibly bad thing, with no further reasoning
>necessary.

>This doesn't belong in sci.space, so I've directed followups
>to talk.politics.space.

You are right about this.  If we want man to get out into space, we
will have to get the governments of the world to keep out of the way.
The private money CAN be raised, but only if there are no restrictions
on how it is spent.  This should also be the case for other research;
we have already passed the point where the presence of the government-
supported research "system" has decreased real research.  But it has
destroyed the previous funding system in the process.

There are other government interventions than the obvious ones.  Notice
that NSF is proposing to remove much of the funding for pure research.
Also, there are major restrictions on what research can be done and
can be applied.  Just as with the educational system, the government,
almost just by being in it, is killing human progress.

-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Government-run programs  Was: Re: Justification for the Sp
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:40:39 GMT

In article <52210aa2@ofa123.fidonet.org> David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>The amount of media coverage of space is entirely irrelevant to the
>development of space.
>
>You don't see people worrying that media coverage of airliner operation is too
>limited or biased. If we are going to get into space in a big way, we need to
>realize that the days of massive media coverage of space are gone. Lindberg's
>flight over the Atlantic received a huge media blitz, but mine was totally
>ignore

Good point.

I can do without the mass coverage of every single spaceflight, what I was
thinking of was more in line with PBS or Discovery channel programs, perhaps
a weekly look at what's going on in the space program.  Shows like 'Nova'
and 'Beyond 2000' have done an excelent job covering all types of science
topics.   What I'd like to see though is sort of a current events program
with a focus on aerospace-related topics.

I understand we'll lose the launch-to-landing coverge of each flight,  but
we still need the public to be informed about the overall progress of the
space program.

Simon

Newsgroups: talk.politics.space,sci.space,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:13:55 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Dec29.232413.25117@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
>> We'll be mining in space long before we exploit any of the sea-bottom
>> resources.  The socialists rule the oceans...
>
>But...
>(1) The US never ratified the Law of the Sea Treaty either...

However, almost everybody else did, I believe.  This makes the US a lone
holdout against accepted international law, and there will be considerable
pressure on it to toe the line even if it has not formally agreed.  By
contrast, almost nobody has ever ratified the Moon Treaty, so it can safely
be ignored.

>(2) Estimates of the metal content of the Gorda Ridge polymetallic
>  sulfides -- which are in the US economic exclusion zone...

How far does the LotST recognize the concept of "economic exclusion zone"?
My (admittedly vague) recollection is that its rules still mostly apply
in there; the zone just adds a national veto power over ventures there.
I could be wrong.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry