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From: neilg@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil M.G. Gall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Appletalk - Cable too long ??
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:21:13 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

I've just connected two short Appletalk networks together using a long bit
of cable.  The awkward shape of our building means that the offices are
at either end and the factory/workshop in the middle.  The new cable
connects five Macs and a Laserwriter at one end to three Macs, a printer
and a Netware file server at the other end.  It's about 80 metres long.

The problem is that devices on the network have disappeared from the chooser.
Some devices (such as the file server) appear on some Macs, but not on
others.  I've tried shutting down everything on the network, but it all
comes back up the same.  They're all running System 6 (Don't tell me to
upgrade to System 7, as we can't afford the RAM upgrades - we tried
System 7 and it just is impossible to use with only 2 Megs).

Is the overall length of the Appletalk cable too long ?  Or is it the
long section in the middle ?  Could it be anything else ? - some devices
only appear far on far away machines, not the one next in line !

Please e-mail replies as I have to call long distance for this connection
and can't wade through the amount of articles likely to be in Mac
newsgroups.

Thanks in advance...

	Neil Gall    Janet: neilg@uk.ac.hw.cs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: NCSA Telnet cannot find config.tel?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<jbrowne.711782511@void> <l6qmq6INNal5@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:38:39 GMT

Edgar> == Edgar Knapp <knapp@cs.utexas.edu> 

 Edgar> Here we go again. Instead of responding to my technical
 Edgar> comments, all you do is make excuses for why Telnet tech support
 Edgar> is as lousy as it is.

 Edgar> Don't get me wrong. I appreciate your and everyone else's efforts
 Edgar> towards Telnet. But I strongly object to your defensive attitude.

Would you like your money back?  Hell, Microsoft doesn't give refunds,
and their tech support is far less (1) obvious on the net (2) clued
(3) polite (4) willing to admit to problems (5) likely to tell you about
fixes (the masters of the Stealth upgrade, they are).

Your original article seemed to be fairly heavy on attitude, by the way;
"Physician, heal thyself."
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Help
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:08:42 GMT
Reply-To: kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation

In article <12516@inews.intel.com>, rcox@cad625.intel.edu (Richard Cox) 
writes:
>   I am looking for a program for the mac, commercial or Public Domain, which
> can emulate an HP 2392A Terminal.  Can anyone out there point me in the 
right
> direction. Please email responces. Thanks in advance.
> 

Try WRQ (Walker, Ritcher, and Quinn)  I think that one of their Reflections 
series of emulators does what you want.

Kurt Baumann                  Creators of fine TCP/IP Products
InterCon Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aml@world.std.com (Andrew M Langmead)
Subject: Re: PD soft. for telephone pagers
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:22:49 GMT

lkimes@alshain.usc.edu (Lance 'Moof' Kimes) writes:
>My pager company doesn't have a tech. dept. to answer these questions.
>Can the Motorola Advisor model receive straight text input from a
>modem & terminal program? What are the specifics? Beginning & ending
>codes? TTY or vt100? Anything else that comes to mind? If anyone would
>be kind enough to answer these specific questions without guessing,
>I will spend two weeks developing a PD paging software for the Mac.


>Lance Kimes
>Systems Programmer
>USC

Numeric and Alpha-numeric pagers speak a syncronous serial protocol very
unlike the ansyncronous serial protocols like MODEMs do. (No start or
stop bits, but a special sync word every 16 words (a word can contain
5 digits for numerica pagers, must be two words for alpha.) Each pager
also has a capcode (or like an address) to differentiate this pager
from every other pager in existance. (Or at least on that frequency in
a given area, I'm not sure.)  When you dial a phone number for a
pager and give DTMF (touch tone) tones the host at the paging company
makes a phone number to cap code translation and send the data to the
proper pager.

For alpha pagers, Motorolla developed the iXO protocol. The Telecator
group later standardized on it as the way to send alpha numerica data
to pagers and renamed it TAP (Telecator Alphanumeric Protocol.) Basically
a computer logs in and then sends messages in packets like
telephone_number<CR>message<CR>checksum<CR>
with the host responding in with ACKs/NAKs/RS.
Obviously, this isn't sent to the phone line given the pager. This is 
a special line hooked to a MODEM and a host expecting TAP. There is 
also and option for a manual mode that doesn't need checksums and
gives more prompts. ("Enter the pager's Number", "Enter message", "Page
accepted, Thank you.") Either would be no-echo TTY (manual mode may
be host echo, depending on the system.) 300 baud is defined in the spec, but
I've seen TAP terminals that run at 9600 baud.

Some companies also distribute a TAP program (that probably runs on a PC)
to send pages by MODEM in a menu driven mode.


If your paging company doesn't have a TAP line, I don't know what you can
do about the Ansering Service charges, though. The only way you can
talk to your pager is through the paging companies host, and if the
only inputs they allow you is either DTMF numeric entry and the answering
service, those are your choices.
-- 
|Andrew Langmead - A frustrated Mac/Unix programmer stuck in an MS-DOS job    |
|Usenet=aml@world.std.com      |S. O'Conner "We Live in a dangerous Age       |
|bix=a.langmead CI$=72411,1560 | To say how you feel is to lay your own grave"|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: laf@mitre.org (Lee Fyock)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Mac mailers to/with SMTP?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:55:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.132821.14599@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com>,
traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Jul23.210321.9613@dptg.att.com> rkh@ucs (Robert Halloran)
> writes:
> >This comes up because our new CIO is a thorough Mac fanatic, wants in
> >on our Sun network, and wants to use a Mac mailer rather than Sun's 
> >mailtool.  What Mac mailers offer either built-in SMTP facilities or 
> >gateways into SMTP?  Attachment with uuencode would ice the cake.  Thanks.
> 
> 	I can highly recommend LeeMail, the latest version of which has just been
> posted to comp.binaries.mac by Lee Fyock, the author.  It is also available
> from the info-mac archives at sumex-aim.stanford.edu.
> 
> 	LeeMail is a true stand alone smtp mailer, and it requires MacTCP.  It has
> attachment with binhex only.  Lee hasn't released a new feature in a while, 
> how about selectable binhex or uuencode, Lee? :)

Hey, I've been busy!  :-)  I've put in "better" support for enclosures --
when you receive mail with enclosures, you can see them as icons!  Ooooh! 
:-)
LeeMail will display text, pict, sound (maybe "display" is the wrong
term...) and quicktime movie enclosures directly.  I'm planning on adding
stuff to launch the creating applications for other enclosures.

Right now I'm playing with the Threads package again to spawn off separate
threads when sending and receiving mail.  Also, I'm puzzling over whether
or not to put MIME support in...  :-)

Does anyone care if the next version is called 1.3 or 2.0?

Have fun!
Lee

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lee Fyock                                          The MITRE Corporation
laf@mitre.org                                     Bedford, Massachusetts
From: Richard.A.Damon.III@dartmouth.edu (Richard A. Damon III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: NCSA/BYU Telnet 2.5 - VT200 problem
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:38:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, Lebanon, NH

So far I have been unable to do anything to make Telnet 2.5 act like a
VT200.

I have changed the line in the config.tel file to:

termtype="vt200"		# terminal type to advertise

But in VMS a SET TERM/INQ sets the termtype to VT_102.

Has anyone had any success with VT200 emulation in telnet?

I'm not complaining, but fully expecting that I've missed the obvious.

Thanks to all,
Rick Damon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: glueball@intercon.com (David S Saunders)
Subject: Re: Mac TCP/Ethernet Utilities
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:37:08 GMT
Reply-To: glueball@intercon.com (David S Saunders)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation

In article <3578@execu.execu.com>, dont@execu.execu.com (Don Thompson) writes:
> 	Does anyone know of a PD or commercial utility designed to monitor, 
> trouble shoot
> 	Ethernet nets and is hosted on a Mac and is sys 7 compatible? Where 
can 
> I obtain 
> 	this?

InterCon Systems has WatchTower for SNMP management. It handles many custom 
SNMP MIB agents including Cisco Routers, Proteon Gateways, GatorBoxes, 
FastPath Vs, etc.

Neon Software has NetMinder and AG Group has EtherPeek for Ethernet packet 
monitoring. EtherPeek has a nice user interface, but doesn't run on my ci for 
some reason, so I personally use NetMinder. Be warned that the UI in 
NetMinder makes using it non-trivial...must be a security function... :)

Dave Saunders <glueball@intercon.com>
InterCon Systems Corporation
"Standards-based networking for a standards-based world"
From: ago@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Romain Agostini)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Anybody having trouble with MacX and ARA??
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:49:50 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: SLAC

I'm testing an ARA link and run into trouble with MacX (quits
unexpectedly sometimes, or doesn't succeed in setting up the
connection). Other applications that use TCP/IP like tn3270
and MacSamson (telnetting, FTPing) run fine, though. Has anybody
experienced something similar??? (Config: Mac IIfx, 8MB RAM,
System 7 with Tune-Up, no weird INITs, Microcom 9600 baud modem,
Shiva LANRover on other side).

                                           Ago

--------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed in this posting are my own, and
not necessarily those of the Stanford Linear Accelerator 
Center, Stanford University, or the US Department of Energy.
From: skg102@applelink.apple.com (Scott George)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: What good is V32bis and ARA?
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:57:39 GMT

>In article <15112.2A603C62@zeus.ieee.org>, Rob.Dewhirst@f108.n280.z1.ieee.org (Rob Dewhirst) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> TIm Endres writes in a message to All on 10 Jul 92
>> 
>>  TE> I wonder if there is a problem (in general) with speeds over 
>>  TE> 9600 for ARA?!
>> 
>> I have no problems connecting my USR/HST/DS v.32bis to my friend's SupraFAX
>> v.32bis at 14400.  Timbuktu, print jobs, and everything else works just fine.
>>  
>> 
>> --  
>> =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
>>  Rob Dewhirst - Internet: Rob.Dewhirst@f108.n280.z1.ieee.org

Another problem with ARA at speeds over 9600 is that not all the modem cables
available for the Mac are wired for the hardware handshake required for these
speeds because the modem speed (14400) is slower than the serial port (19200).
What happens then is that the modem drops the CTS signal but the Mac does not
get the signal because the cable is not wired write. There are two ways to 
check for this. 1) The easy way is to use an Ohm meter and make sure that pin
1 of the DIN 8 (Mac) connector is connected to both pins 4 and 20 of the DB 25
(modem) connector. This is DTR on the Mac to both DTR and RTS on the modem
since the Mac drops the DTR to stop data transfer. Pin 2 on the DIN 8 should
be connected to pin 5 on the DB 25 (CTS).  Some cables have pin 2 wired to 
both pin 5 and pin 6 (which is the DCE ready pin) and when the modem drops the
CTS signal the other signal is still present so the Mac continues to send data
and overruns the modem. 2) The hard way is to establish a connection at 14400
baud and send a large file. Watch the lights on the modem and if the CS light
(that's what it is on a USRobotics) goes out and the send data light continues
to flash, the Mac is not correctly interpreting the signals the modem is
sending. Also, cables on both ends have to be checked. I personally tried four
cables before I found one that worked.

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: walkerb@antares.cs.rpi.edu (Bob Walker)
Subject: Telnet 2.3, slip, mac portable
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:42:24 GMT


I recently got a Supra FAXmodem V.32bis modem, and am trying to set up
slip for the first time.

I couldn't get Telnet 2.3 to work, and others here have had the same
problem, so I tried Telnet 2.3, which others here are using.

With the modem on my old MacPlus, running system 6.0.7, everything seems
to work fine.  I dial in with kermit, start slip, get out of kermit, start
up Telnet 2.3, and can open telnet and ftp connections to anyone on campus.

When I try this on my Mac Portable (not Powerbook!), everything is fine
until I try to open a telnet or ftp connection, and then I get a bomb
and an "unimplmented trap" message.  I even get this with all inits
off.

Any ideas?  Is there something "strange" about the Portable and its
serial connection?  Any help would be much appreciated.

                - bob
--
Bob Walker              CS Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
walkerb@cs.rpi.edu      Troy, NY 12180          (518) 276-8275
From: polomski@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Info needed:Mac-Based FTP Site,etc...
Summary: Response Appreciated
Keywords: Mac, FTP, News, Mail, Unix
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:02:20 GMT
Reply-To: polomski@pisces.rutgers.edu
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

I'm interested in setting up an ftp site with a mac.  Has anyone out there
done this?  Is it possible to run ftp and mail software with a Quadra,
perhaps?  Can I run Unix?  I want to have the capability of a Sun Workstation
and not lose the versatility I get from the Mac.  Is this possible? 

As I am setting up this system from scratch and want to get all I need
and am a Novice in this respect, please fill me in on the basics as well
as the good communication stuff I can do. All your help is truly 
appreciated.

If you mail me your suggestions, I promise to compile the list of items
needed and post it to this group.  I will also update the group with the
results of the system (success as well as failure).  Please address mail to
polomski@pisces.rutgers.edu
  Thank you.

Pete Polomski
Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
Rutgers University
PO Box 909
Piscataway, NJ 08855-0909
(908) 932-2785
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Subject: Re: Getting ethernet address
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:26:00 GMT

In article <2185@unet.UUCP>, larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson) writes...
>In article <1992Jul19.134316.14785@tdb.uu.se> matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:
>->Try clicking on the Ethernet icon in MacTCP while holding down the option
>->key. That should tell you the ethernet address.
> 
>  I just tried it.  It didn't report anything.


What version of MacTCP do you have? I just tried it in MacTCP 1.1 and it
displays the ethernet address beneath the Ethernet icon. 

 -                                                                     -
 - Dave Martin - Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M - 
 - DAVE@GERGA[GERGO,GERGI].TAMU.EDU - BROOKS@TAMVXOCN.BITNET - AOL:DBM -
 -                                                                     -
From: mcphee01@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: FTP LIST REQUIRED
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:15:50 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Can someone please e-mail me a list of FTP sites that have MAC software on them?
Thanx
mail to 
mcphee01@ac.dal.ca
From: rfisel@informix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: NCSA telnet with AppleTalk???!???!!??
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:22:54 GMT
Reply-To: rfisel@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I must admit I'm mystified...

I have been reading up on how to connect macs to internet/usenet over  
SLIP/MacTCP because I read on various posts and emails that you HAD to use  
MacTCP or comm toolbox to run telnet/ftp emulators like NCSA telnet. Now I see  
that NCSA 2.3 is running on a mac here with AppleTalk! I'm a little less  
surprised that if MacTCP is run concurrently, you have to get the IP address  
dynamically (contrary to strong warnings in all the documentation I have) -  
AppleTalk has already made the connection. Could someone comment on the  
similarities/differences between AppleTalk and IP connections for my  
edification. I hope this is not wasting people's time with another FAQ...

Thanks,

Rick Fisel 
opinionated employee of opinionless
Informix Software
I prefer replies by email.
From: Barry_Wolman@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Getting started with SLIP
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:26:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.cePVXRT0BwxaB5A1cs
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Several weeks ago, I submitted a query about options for SLIP access
from my Mac to host UNIX systems.  The two options I was considering
were MacSLIP (about $60) with NCSA Telnet and VersaTerm (about $90).
Several repliers pointed out that BYU Telnet and NCSA Telnet had
direct support for SLIP.  Someone else pointed out that TCP/Connect II
from InterCon Systems was another much more expensive option.

I received eight very positive recommendations for VersaTerm and no
negative comments.  Users using it via SLIP were pleased.  The vt100
emulation (a point I had emphasized) was rated highly.  The only area
in which VersaTerm falls short is scripting.  Users who used both NCSA
Telnet and VersaTerm all preferred VersaTerm (better vt100 emulation
and ability to use mouse to move emacs cursor).  The SLIP support in
VersaTerm is usable with any MacTCP application, not just VersaTerm.

Users using MacSLIP with NCSA Telnet were pleased with the combo; I
received no negative comments about MacSLIP.  One user thought that
the VersaTerm SLIP support was easier to configure than MacSLIP.

I downloaded NCSA Telent 2.5B and BYU Telnet 2.4.19 from
ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Using the same config.tel file, NCSA Telnet 2.5B
fails with a "error initialing hardware" message (or something close
to this), while BYU Telnet 2.4.19 works fine.  Using BYU Telnet SLIP
is straightforward:

1. Configure the serial line as needed.

2. Open a dialup connection, dial host system, enter SLIP command.

3. Use the SLIP IP number issued by server to reconfigure the serial
line

4. Use "Switch to SLIP" menu choice

5. Open telnet connection(s) to desired host(s)

I'm using a Telebit Worldblazer to contact a bank of Telebit T2500
modems.  The dialup modems support V.32 or PEP for 9600 baud
connections.  With PEP enabled, SLIP performance is too slow to be
tolerated (subjective opinion); there is a noticeable delay before
characters are echoed by emacs.  This appears to be due to lack of
CSLIP (compression) support in our host SLIP and the need to "turn
around" the half-duplex PEP connection.  With PEP turned off,
character echoing is much better and not much of a problem.

I was principally interested in SLIP because I wanted to be able to
establish multiple connections to the same or multiple hosts.  I had
previously used MacLayers, but often had problems with its vt100
emulation.  Multiple connections work fine with BYU Telnet and I
haven't yet encountered any problems with the vt100 emulation.  FTP
also worked fine (both client and server).

So, I'm up and running with SLIP using BYU Telnet.  You certainly
can't beat the price (free).

I'll probably wait a while before I decide to buy either MacSLIP or
VersaTerm.  I'm currently leaning towards VersaTerm because for an
additional $30 I get what seems to be a highly regarded terminal
emulator.  On the other hand, if BYU Telnet does everything I need and
I don't experience any problems, why switch?

Barry Wolman
From: dohle@vax2.concordia.ca (Gordon Dohle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: White Knight update patches 11.07-11.14
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax2.26JUL199215205959
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Brwt31.4zJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dmcclell@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (D. Jason McClellan) writes...
>I have just downloaded all these patches and now have no clue on how to add them
>tohe existing program.  ybody have the quick answer? Thanks beforehand and

For anyone who is a registered owner, the patch path is
a very long and tedious process, which requires collecting
not only the patches, but also a set of PUP decoders.

The fastest, easiest way is to call Freesoft and ask for
an updated version. Mine was delivered 3 days after I
called.

No cost.

Gordon
dohle@vax2.concordia.ca
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:7244 comp.dcom.lans.misc:599
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.dcom.lans.misc
Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac from Unix.
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:56:14 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Jul21.210208.1831@axis.fr> phil@axis.fr (Ph. Mackowiak) writes:
>
>I have several Mac and a Unix machine on Ethernet.
>I am looking for a way to print on LaserWriter on the Mac from
>Unix  (In an other way, I want to see the printers as Unix devices).

I just learned how to do this myself today. When you get to the prompt, type:

lpr -P(printername) (filename)

and this should send your file to the local printer.

You should get a book or manual on UNIX commands. The one I have here is
published by...

Specialized Systems Consultants
P.O. Box 55549
Seattle, WA 98155
208-FOR-UNIX

h.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings)
Subject: ARA & EtherTalk
Keywords: ARA, Ethertalk, Remote, Modem
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:54:01 GMT

	I'm trying to set up ARA so my boss can get into our network from
her Powerbook.  I'm having compatibility problems with ARA and the
Ethertalk software.  If I try to set up ARA to answer calls, I get a dialog
saying that ARA is not supported by the Appletalk connection selected in
the Network Control Panel.  If that's the case, i dodn't know how ARA will
ever work for me.  Help!

	I'm running Appletalk Remote Access on an SE/30, system 7.0, with
Asante v. 3.35 ethertalk software.  Thanks in advance - I'm desperate!


-- 
Mike Cummings

"Namoore of this!... Thy drasty rymyng is nat worth a toord!"

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Subject: Re: Getting ethernet address (Summary)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:01:45 GMT
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Jul23.150356.20935@nuscc.nus.sg>, ccecl@nuscc.nus.sg (Chandra Liem) writes:
> 
> I would like to summarize the response which I received:
> 
> 2.  Apple appeared to have a utility call GetMyAddress to report the
> ethernet address.


Actually GetMyAdress is from the ag group.
Written by M. Zabetian.
They can be reached at ag.group@applelink.apple.com.
GetMyAdress can be distributed freely.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.