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From: john.28@bnr.ca (John Ledford)
Subject: Re: Big MA/Karate Uniforms
Organization: BNR, Inc. RTP, NC
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:59:29 GMT

In article <Bx77uI.1nB@cs.dal.ca> earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard) writes:
>From: earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard)

>I was wondering if anyone knows of a Mail-order house for uniforms and other
>such stuff.  I have a size 7 uniform, but it is too small (Ok, I'm a big
>boy).  I need a size 8 or 9, and the local people don't carry them.
>
>Do such sizes exist?

Yes, because if I can find one to fit me then I know one exists to fit you.
I tried calling my Sensei to see where he found mine at, but he was not in.
I will try again later, and post where if I can.

>
>And if so, who has the best value mailorder wise?  (Names, numbers plz!)
>
Yeah right, I really don't know what size I wear but it had to be made and 
it was extremely expensive ( approx 200 $$). I would also like to know if 
there are any places with decent prices because I want another Ghia and do 
not want to pay the same price again.

John

P.S. I cannot receive Email. Dont try.

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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:46:57 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <J51RTB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> gbaker@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg baker) writes:
>eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
>
>- I was wondering about how long it takes different arts to attain a Black
>- Belt, which is really only a beginning anyway.
>- 
>- Anybody?
>- 
>- Eric 
>
>In Taekwon-do, it's taken me 4 years. That's training 3-4 times a week, 
>2/3 hours a day....of course, being on the competition team might not 
>make for a very rounded out sort of training...
>
I have the curiosity of how much time the martial art folks on the
net practise, training in class and practise.
I, myself, have classing training 3 times a week, 2 to 3 hours each
time, and the 2 hours daily self-practise for the other 4 days. I
think it is not that enough.
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From: jkapson@ad-29.Naitc.Com (John Kapson)
Subject: Re: Short review of Van Damme Movies
Organization: AC Nielsen Co., Bannockburn IL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:43:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.114017.7497@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gordon.Wormser@launchpad.unc.edu (Gordon Wormser) writes:
>
>Can anyone provide me with short critiques of Van Damme's movies?  Thanks. 

"Cheesy."

That short enough for you?

John Kapson   NRA ILA
From: scovar@NeoSoft.com (VSI Shell Account)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Books......
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:50:38 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

...Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere, Westbrook and Ratti
...What is Aikido, Koichi Tohei
...This is Aikido, Koichi Tohei
...Aikido in Daily Life, Koichi Tohei
...Aikido: 50 Basic Arts, Koichi Tohei
...Aikido with Ki, Maruyama

I have a list...I will post more as I remember the exact names and
authors' names.

I seem to have a bias towards Ki-Aikido.  I like the way I feel as I
practice, and it has been very effective for me in real situations.

Most of the books by Tohei are out-of-print and/or undergoing revision
and reprinting.  My copies have been lost, and if anyone can provide me
with replacements I will be VERY grateful.

The Tozai-ji is also interested in acquiring films, videotapes or
whatever of demonstrations and seminars.

Please send e-mail to scovar@NeoSoft.com with my name in the
subject line...(our company NIC registration hasn't finished yet).

Thanks for forgiving all my net.gaffe...Mike Burke
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
    <721003993snx@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:48:53 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <721003993snx@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz> parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.110731.1984@ms.uky.edu> taddiken@ms.uky.edu writes:
>
> > It's not clear to me that all of those things are synonymous with "tough", but
> > I think that boxing and sumo should fit in there somewhere.
>
>Yup.  I agree.  Boxers take a hideous amount of punishment, although the
>_do_ get to wear gloves 8-).  Sumo is pretty much brute strength.  Takes
>big guys to do it...
>
> > I've heard about a game played in Wales, in which two people grab each other
> > by the shoulders and kick each other repeatedly in the shins.  With hard shoes
> > on.  The loser is the first to disengage.  It's not clear that this is a
> > martial art, but it certainly is the most excruciating combat-type game I've
> > ever heard of.
>
There are a couple of stories about "purr kicking" and face slapping in John
Gilbey's "Secret Fighting Arts of the World".

Charles Yeomans

cyeomans@ms.uky.edu
yeomans@austin.onu.edu
From: sjoe@spike.Eng.Sun.COM (Shirley Joe)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,sun.junk,sun.rec
Subject: *** MARTIAL ARTS DEMO - TODAY! ***
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:05:07 GMT
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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts for children - what age?
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:11:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Nov5.085232.23626@siemens.co.at> ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl) writes:
>1) Children up to seven may hang around and watch and imitate the
>practise in their own way. At this age (before seven) children's ability
>to concentrate over *long* time is not yet developed.
>After seven children should be able to learn a (short) form.

Just a data point from my experience with the Suzuki violin method, which
starts kids learning the violin from age 3, and in some cases earlier.  The
idea behind the method is that all children have the ability to learn their
mother tongue pretty much effortlessly (let's not talk about the development-
ally and learning disabled for the moment).  Therefore, they should be able
to learn just about anything effortlessly if it's taught correctly and starting
at the right time.

In Japan, where the method is followed more strictly, it is the parent who
takes the lessons for the first month or so -- the children come along to the
lessons, but do not receive instruction; they just watch.  The idea of this
beginning period is to get the kids to _want_ to do what mommy/daddy is --
to instill a personal desire to do the thing.  At such early ages, it's much
easier to mold a child's desires without their even realizing what you're doing.
I wish my parents had done this with me -- I never really _enjoyed_ myself the
entire 10 years I studied the violin....

The teacher-parent-child triangle is extremely important in the Suzuki method.
You typically only go to one lesson a week with the teacher, so the parent who
accompanies the child is expected to take notes and participate at the lesson,
so that he/she can guide the child's practicing during the rest of the week.

Another part of the Suzuki pedagogy that I just want to mention is that the
teacher and parent never say, "No, that's wrong."  They must always be
positive, and say, "Can you try it this way, instead?"

Al
From: aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 10th Dan
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:46:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov8.060658.16628@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
[...]
>In any event, in 1989 there were a number of living
>10th Dans on Okinawa (this list is *not* exhaustive):
>
[...]
>9) Kanei Uechi      Uechi-ryu [I believe Uechi-sensei passed on in 1991, but
>		                 I'm not sure]

As usual, you are quite right.  The Uechi-ryu community has been divided
since Kanei Uechi's demise, with his son Kanmei promoting himself to 8th
dan and claiming successorship and the senior practitioners, whose
opinion of Kanmei is, I understand, not universally glowing, retaining
most of the organization under the name Okikukai (at least that's what I
heard they were calling themselves).  I don't know whether the group
that had split off before Kanei Uechi's demise has reintegrated into
Okikukai.  Since as far as I know the differences between all these
organizations are purely political, it would be nice to see them work
out a compromise and rejoin into one organization.  These political
schisms can really weaken a style.

[Re. 10th dans, well, it isn't karate, but there are at least two people
 here in the bay area alone with 10th dans recognized/awarded by Jujitsu
 America: Sig Kufferath (under whom I study) and Wally Jay.]

>Steve

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
aaron@cse.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 18:05:12 GMT
Organization: hah!  we don't need no steenkin' organization!
Summary: 	-=-=-=-< observations >-=-=-=-
Followup-To:      doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>
Keywords: 	-=-=-=-< yes >-=-=-=-


In article <1992Nov05.133151.28136@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov4.053400.2896@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>
>>
>>   I keep hearing about this ancient master who sends all the young
>>   hotshots flying.  But all of the folks I know who are in their
>>   seventies are well past being able to compete successfully
>>   against an experienced fighter in his 20's or 30's.
>>
>>   So, what's the story here?  Who among us has actually fought
>>   someone 70 or older and lost?
>
>	I have it second-hand from someone who witnessed it, that Kisaka Sensei
>(a 50 something JKA instructor) challenged a pompous young sandan at a training
>camp, and tossed him around like a rag doll.
>	I've never really come across any MA teachers old enough to fit your
>description though.
>
>
>--
>	Stephen Chan
>	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net

	actually, steve, if you recall our recent viewing of the masters'
demonstration tape of the USCMAC (held in orlando), we saw Yang Jwing Ming
(or was it Liang Shou Yu) playing with one of his senior students, and it
was a world of difference.  it seemed rather effortless to him, while the
student was struggling to not look bad.

	i also havwe seen (personally) Sifu Y.C. Wong (of san francisco) 
push hands with Tim Lee, (one of our senior instructors, and one of our
T'ai Chi Ch'uan instructors) and he litterally tossed him around effortlessly.
	in addition, one of our instructors, (Linh Tai) challenged him, 
and he, to, only more effortlessly, almost disdainfully, was tossed aside.
	later, i saw Sifu Seng Au (Hung Gar master from hawaii) challenge
Sifu Y.C. Wong, and he was almost instantly defeated!
	there is no contest.

	then, there is always Sifu Chan Tai Shan.... about 85.... just
check out his demos sometime.....


	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-

           "now, as we drift a little further down the stream,
                was it all, what it seemed?
            was it true, was it real, or, just a dream?
                when you wake up you may find
            that you're not where you left yourself!"

                         justin hayward/john lodge: the blue jays
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Organization: just me
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 14:04:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Nov4.215421.8721@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO) writes:
<slice hack>
>   ANYWAY......the Karate stylists were clearly dominant.  The representatives
>from China did pretty well, considering Kung-Fu has always had a bad rap as being
>useless in competition vs. other arts.  
<whack thud>

Really?  I have never heard this.  I have seen various Kung Fu full contact
matches against KF, Sambo and Muay Thai players, and seen reviews of bouts
against Karate and Bando types.  In all of these the KF folks did just as
well as the others.  

I am just curious, in what circles is this opinion commonly held?

	David Pipes
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Black Belt time
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:22:26 GMT
Followup-To: phantom@gagme.chi.il.us
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov8.083605.3243@gagme.chi.il.us>, phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen) writes:
> 
> 			TRY SOFTER
> 
> A young boy traveled across Japan to the school of a famous martial artist. 
> When he arrived at the dojo  he was givien an audience by the sensei.
> 	"What do you wish of me?"  the master asked.
> 	"I wish to be your studentand become the finest karateka in the land"
> the boy replied.  "How long must I study?"
> 	"Ten years at least," the master answered.
> 	"Ten years is a long time," said the boy.
> 	"What if I studied twice as hard as all your other students?"
> 	"Twenty years," replied the master.
> 	"Twenty years! What if I practice day and night with all my effort?"
> 	"Thirty years," was the master's reply.
> 	"How is it that each time I say I will work harder, you tell me that 
> it will take longer?" the boy asked.
> 	"The answer is clear.  When one eye is fixed upon your destination, 
> there is only one eye left with which to find the Way."
> 
> 			- ANONYMOUS
> 
> 	A little proverb from Zen in the Martial arts by Joe Hyams
>
	Master Kang taught me a version of this proverb.  
> 	Personally I am a high purple belt in Shotokan Karate.  I have been
> in the art for I belive Nine years.  I should technically have 2nd degree
> Black Belt by now for time alone! or Third... BUT I DO NOT CARE THE BELT IS
> NOT WHAT MATTERS IT IS THE EXPERIENCE THAT COUNTS.
> 
True, I've been taking Tae Kwon-Do since May of 1981 and I'm only first 
don. I'm more proud of the fact that I've kept taking for eleven years 
than I am of the fact that I am a first don black belt. 
----Marc Seebass
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Time for belts/knife techniques
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:03:55 GMT

In article khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd) writes:
>The point of this post is whether anyone trains against a knife held in 
>that [reverse grip] manner.

For some, this is the preferred fighting grip, so you have 
to train against it even if you would never use it yourself.  
From the defender's point of view, things I notice about reverse 
grip include: 

   -   The most important feature of a reverse grip attack is 
that it has less range, requiring the attacker to be closer, and 
therefore allowing your kicks to be more effective.

   -   It tends to make blades a lot harder to spot.

   -   Forget about wrist controls.  Reverse grip protects the
attacker's wrists very well.  Even sticky hand checking can get
you in trouble as it is so easy for your opponent to roll the
blade right into the forearm of your checking hand.  Better to
control/destroy the attacking limb at the elbow or higher.

   -   Watch for the slash/stab combination.  It is the natural
move from reverse grip, and very hard to defend against.  Better
not to be there.

   -   Watch also for kicks and strikes with the alive 
(non-weapon-bearing) hand.  People who make a habit of reverse 
grip seem more likely to use the full range of available weapons.

   -   You can't afford to let your attacker close.  Reverse grip
gives him some very powerful slashing and stabbing options
close-in.  Take a cut on an extremity if you have to, but don't
let him close without paying a very high price.

   -   If he is holding *two* knives in reverse grip, then one of
two things.  Either he's just a Michael Echanis groupie with no 
real skills, or you are in very deep shit ;-)
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is it just me?
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:08:34 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <11NOV199213311730@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>In article <1drm57INN8fd@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU 
>(Michael Robinson) writes...
>>....or does it seem to anyone else that the Academy for Loudmouth Adolescent 
>>Martial Artists has recently had a graduation?
>
>On the other hand, there are postings such as Robert Stroud's kendo
>followup (it showed up here a couple before yours) which indicate that
>there *may* be hope for humanity in general and the net in particular.
>
>Must admit, though, that I'm kinda glad we seem to have dispensed
>with "my sensei can beat up your sensei."

Nope, they're just taking a nap. After they've had their milk and cookies
they'll be back...

>Reading netnews is like eating lunch in the park:  you learn that it's
>no use screaming and running around and waving your arms at the pigeons,
>so you just carry a hanky.

I'll try to remember that. Nodoubt that quote will show up in Jeff's
.sig database before long ;-)


Steve
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:37 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
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> The _really_ scary thing is that they [practicioners of this or that
> S&M-influenced ryu] are still good fighters with hip replacements and no
> flexibility, because they are "_tough_"...

>True.  I have seen awesome aikido.  But how many people do you know who
>are that good? 8-)

Well...how many people do you know who are that tough?  For that matter,
how many people do you know who will ever get really good at any style?

>> A hard style isn't important because you can get to the same place without
>> all that _effort_ and still have most of your body intact...

Sure, there are ways to go besides a hard style.  But if somebody 
sticks with a hard style after many years, many buckets of sweat, 
probably many injuries, and certainly many chances to observe that 
there are softer styles available, one is forced to conclude that 
they must enjoy it.  

Which makes it "good."  For them.  The only definition that counts in a
life that's too short anyway.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Chi
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:29:31 GMT

I'm a total neophyte to this whole thing, but I just thought I'd add my
two cents worth.  One of my friends from Korea told me about Chi-kung.
(Chi-kung = "study chi")  He said that it involves lots of breathing
exercizes.  

Please don't flame me overthis.  Like I said, I am not presuming to
speak from the position of someone who knows martial arts.  

Joey Maier    maierj@andrews.edu
From: wut@acf3.NYU.EDU (Tom Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What it is with internal styles
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:51:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


  	Have you heard about the fact that if you are totally relaxed 
during a car accident, you have a better chance of surviving it. A lot
of DWD offenders are never injured. 
	This is the idea behind internal styles. One's nature is to
resist and tense up under an attack. What internal M-A practitioners
try to do is to sense the direction of an attack and flow with it, at
the same time unbalance the attacker. Keep in mind that philosophy is
important in internal M-As such as Tai Ji. But it is not essential.
Tai Ji evolved directly from Shaolin. I know 1 or 2 masters who have
devoted 40 or 50 years of their life time studying Tai Ji and are
just beginning to express the philosophical aspect of this art. So
be very careful when some beginer starts to talk philosophy. You can
tell that they probabily got their information through books not 
experience. Tai Ji is a very potent M-A, Don't let the Philosophical
aspect detract you from that.

	---Tom
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From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Subject: kick bags
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:20:55 GMT

HI !

I am interested in picking up a kick bag.  My style excludes kicks that
use the top of the foot.

What should I look for?  

Thank you for your advice.
From: pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Jason Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Example of a martial arts cult
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:38:09 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey, thanks for posting this,  I checked out one of their dojos and
thought that they were a little too concerned about my financial
situation.   
   Not going back again either.
                                                 Peter Ward
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