HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Thank You 'Sota
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:39:21 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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I would like to congratulate the University of Minnesota Golden Gophers
football team for coming up with a big win over Iowa. This has been a
very tough year and it's nice to finish with a big win. There is 
much promise for next year and I wish Coach Wacker and the Gophs good luck.

Good luck to all Big Ten teams in the upcoming bowl games.

I would like to thank Chris Stassen, Randy Peppler, and the gang for 
their weekly Big Ten previews and reviews. Being out of B10 country, it
was my *only* source of U-Minn news. Look forward to seeing your posts
next year.

-Tom

Go Gophs....
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From: rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.164704.29880@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>One thing to note about the above... Michigan has 2 ties, 1 on the road and
>one at home.  Notre Dame has 1 loss and 1 tie, both at home.  Some could 
>argue that Notre Dame SHOULD have lost against Penn State, except for the 
>great catch...  Besides that, they played like crap against PSU...  And again,

Gee ... these are real intelligent comments.  By that reasoning Miami
should have two loses because the opposition narrowly missed field goals.
... and for that matter, ND SHOULD HAVE beaten MIchigan if they hadn't
funbled the ball all those times.  The fact is that Michigan hasn't proven
themselves yet this year.  I'm not saying they're not a great team, I'm saying 
they're only accomplishment is the tie against ND.

		- rob



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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:01:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.041021.13683@nuscc.nus.sg> elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg (West) writes:
>I'm really saddened by all the animosity generated by college football.

Like my wife said when the telecast showed a young Atlanta fan watching
his team lose the deciding game of the World Series:

	Cry, little boy, cry.

It's a violent sport, with violent emotions.  That's why I like it.

>I was hoping to get some commentary of the games, and although there
>has been some, mostly what I get is insight into what the British call
>football hooliganism.

Many respected posters enlighten us with their insightful comments, but
they get lost in the torrent of "my team should have won, because ...
because your team sucks" arguments.  Which isn't hooliganism, mind you,
just stupidity; hooliganism is violence in the stands and riots in the
streets, for which the British are unfortunately infamous.

...

>So, I'm down off the soapbox now. One final note - every year around
>this time I really start to miss living in the States and going to
>college football games. Fall in Ann Arbor is (or should I say
>"occasionally is") a beautiful time of year and walking to and from the
>stadium is one of my fondest memories of the time I spent there. Good
>times, good friends, etc. Reading this newsgroup hasn't done much to
>rekindle those memories. 

Sorry, but we're not here to help you get over your homesickness.
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Notre Dame vs. Florida State in 1993
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:35:44 GMT

Justin Frederich writes:

>Matt, it's like you say ND may get an ugly reception in the South but the
>game will be in Orlando which at least 200 miles South of Tallahassee.

Let's think about this.  Will moving the game to Orlando change the 
partisanship such that the crowd will be pro-Notre Dame?  I serriously doubt 
it.  FSU will still enjoy a very substantial home field advantage.  Further, 
teh Citrus bowl hold aproximately 10,000 more butts than Doak.  At $25 per 
butt, that is a substantial piece of change.  And you can bet that it isn't all
going in the pocket of Notre Dame; Florida State will be a big winner 
money-wise also.

I'm kind of surprised that teh Citrus Bowl doesn't try to get at least one game
played there per year during the regular season.  It would be a pretty good bet
that they would seel the place out any time they could land one of the Florida 
teams (Miami, Florida or Florida State - 3.5 if you count Division I-AA UCF!)  
didn't they get Florida/Mississippi State a year or two ago?  Why was there so 
little noise made then about Florida refusing to play on the road?

     - Pat
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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Re: How did the Illini choke?
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:40:24 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov16084650@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.221545.26851@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
>
>   >agreed!  down with fichigan!
>
>Oh, no, not you again.  The Return of the Creature That Hates
>Michigan.  Why don't you go back to the alien planet you came from?
>We're really tired of your same old anti-Michigan bullshit.
>

>>>My, my, Michigan fans seem to be getting a little testy. Could it be because
>>>it is becoming obvious that their football team is all too mortal? And that
>>>their coach has no confidence in being able to go to Columbus and beat OSU
>>>and therby guarantee another loss in the Rose Bowl. Every Michigan fan who
>>>who crucified Holtz after the Michigan game should get the hammer and nails
>>>out for their own coach now. And save your breath about the Rose Bowl being
>>>so important.
>
>-Alan Harder
> 
>These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
>
>


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From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-14-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:02:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BxvD2u.78K@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>
>	How did all of you interpret Keith's call of the game?  

   I thought he didn't make a big deal about all of the fumbles.
   Jackson's kinda annoying (his speach mannerisms, mostly, rather
   than what he says), but he's sure better than Brent Mushmouth,
   who simply dosen't understand the game.

>	... but this [Purdue] team seems to
>	have such an ingrained losing mentality that it can't win the
>	close games.  

   Perhaps, it's the older guys who developed their attitudes under
   Akers who fit this description.  Perhaps Colletto doesn't get
   along (or doesn't care) about the guys he didn't recruit.
   Perhaps Colletto is no good at motivation....

> 	Close isn't good enough anymore.  Either Colletto
>	starts winning or he's history...  
  
   Chill, Randy, it's only his second year.  At least the Adminstration
   and the athletic department didn't make the mistake of immediately
   rolling over his 5-year contract, like Akers got after his first
   3-8 season, and again after improving to only 3-7-1.  That's why
   it cost us $450k to get rid of him.  I say, give a guy a 5 year contract,
   then give him some room to operate, but don't even talk about extensions
   until you've seen 3 or 4 seasons.  By the same token, don't talk about
   firing for 3 or 4 seasons.

   Colletto is somewhat a victim of his own success.  He inherited a
   poorly disiplined team that went 2-9 -- the most losses in PU history --
   and they played 4-7 the next year, with 2 FG's, it might have been 6-5.
   Now, he's expected to improve on that and IMHO, he has, a bit.

>	The losses at home to Toledo
>	and Northwestern were inexcusable, 
   Agreed.

>	and the losses at Wisconsin
>	and at Illinois have to be put in the "choke" category...
>
   Agreed, but also cosider the win at Iowa (the first since '79 and
   only the second victory over Hayedn Frye) and the near victory
   against Michigan (which I put in the choke category).

   Look at this from another angle, one tombstone (q.v.) in 1991
   two tombstones in 1992.  
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Stanford Bowl-bound
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165555.29752@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>  
kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>      So the Fiesta Bowl is definitely one of Stanford's
> possibilities.

Under the current agreement, wouldn't the Fiesta Bowl have
to change times to take Stanford?  I though that no Big10
or Pac10 teams could play in a bowl at the same time (or
overlapping with) the Rose.

OD

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From: malhotra@usc.edu (Arvind Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: desert swamp
Date: 15 Nov 1992 10:48:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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All D and no O makes u know who look more like " desert swamp "

I guess the cinderella story for the not so wild  cats comes to an end.

But credit still goes to  the UA D - they are good ... except for trick plays!
and they did get more then their share of it from TROJANS yesterday.

Does the victory assure USC of a FIESTA BOWL match up against SYRACUSE???


GO TROJANS
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:01:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1em1e8INNga1@agate.berkeley.edu> hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett) writes:
> 
> 
> 

     [ Coherent sentences deleted. ]


What "East Coast Bias?"

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Preview (11-21-92) (my picks)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:54:17 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <Bxz1HI.LBF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
> Games of November 21 (End of Regular Season)
> Michigan (8-0-2) at Ohio State (8-2) (ABC, 11:00 am Central, National):
> 	Michigan is still undefeated, but they sure don't look as good
> 	after their comedy of errors last week.  I've picked Michigan
> 	all year, and I'm getting tired of it...
> 
> Juodvalkis:	No pick (CHICKEN!!!)

	Just want's to look better in the results statistic :).

> Kottmann:

	Oops, I guess the mail&post combination isn't working, that's twice now
:(.

	OSU 35	OhHowIHate The Whole Entire State of Michigan 31

> Indiana (5-5) at Purdue (3-7) (1 pm):  Well, Purdue and IU are both all
> 	beat up heading into this game.  We may have defensive players
> 	on the offensive side of the ball.  Purdue's strength's are
> 	Eric Hunter and a now-depleted running attack.  IU's are Trent
> 	Green and a sometimes stingy defense...
> 
> Kottmann:

	Indiana 24	Purdone 12

> Michigan State (5-5) at Illinois (5-4-1) (1 pm):  Both of these teams
> 	will be extremely focused, since both must win to get a bowl
> 	bid.  Michigan State has developed a powerful running game
> 	as the season has worn on, and their rushing defense has also
> 	gotten tough.  Illinois has Jason Verduzco, so if the game is
> 	close late, and Illinois has the ball, it's all over.  I believe
> 	this is the last meeting between these two foes until 1995...
> 
> Kottmann:
	MSU	24	Illinois 21

> Iowa (5-6) at Minnesota (1-9) (6 pm):  Iowa also needs a win to keep
> 	bowl hopes alive.  Minnesota has had some moments this year,
> 	but the end result is usually an L...
> 
> Kottmann:
	Iowa 15	   Minnesota 13

> Wisconsin (5-5) at Northwestern (2-8) (1 pm):  Wisconsin can also perhaps
> 	attract some bowl attention with a big final win.  Northwestern
> 	is playing out the string, but Gary Barnett has done a good job.
> 	They've had some near misses...
> 
> Kottmann:

	Wisconson 24	Northwestern 7

> Pitt (?-?) at Penn State (6-4) (ESPN, 3:00 pm Central, National):  This should
        3-7?
> 	be blowout city.  Alex Van Pelt has set all sorts of Pitt career
> 	records playing for lousy teams and coaches.  Penn State needs
> 	to exorcise some demons in this game before their loot-grab in
> 	Miami...
> 
> Kottmann:
	PSU	24	Pitt 3

Brett
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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:52:58 GMT

Jon Schmidt) writes:
> 1) Information indicating possible violation received and evaluated
>    by NCAA enforcement staff.

(Usually an anonymous phone call.)

> 2) Preliminary inquiry letter forwarded to institution.
> 3) Investigation conducted by NCAA enforcement department.  Based on
>    review of available evidence, staff determines the nature of the
>    potential violation.
> 4) If staff determines that the case should be closed for lack of
>    evidence, that decision is reviewed and approved by Committee on
>    Infractions.  Institution is notified that case is close.

Question. Has step 4 ever happened? I honestly can't think of a single case
where the NCAA started an investigation and didn't come up with something, no
matter how trivial...

Teresa
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:05:32 GMT

Chris S. Robbins (crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu) wrote:
: [tu's *awesome* schedule omitted]
:
: Oh, I forgot, you guys played Stanford and um, um, um........

Well, the tough part of our schedule is just now hitting us....
You know, TCU, the MIGHTY HORNS, and then the Cotton Bowl!

(yes, this is my first official Cotton Bowl woof of the season)
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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan - National Championship - Not with Moeller
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bxv8LG.Fnw
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <4=F=CXA@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu 
(Chung Hsiung Yang) writes...
> 
>	$Cool 6 Mil$ is not bad.  And with a name like Michigan, recruiting
>is not going to be affected anytime soon.  I think it is more of a business
>decision than anything else.  Being from Michigan you know how $$$ is more
>important than Nat Champ.  As far as Athletic DEPT. is concerned Nat Champ
>is no big deal as long as they have $$$ to support the rest of other sports.
>It is quite consistent with the programs philosophy.
> 
>- Chung Yang
Michigan does not get $6M for going to the Rose Bowl. The Big 10 gets the $6M 
and Michigan gets a double share by virtue of going to the bowl (2/11)*$6M.
And just how many more years is the Rose Bowl going to be able to offer that 
kind of payout when it is consistently irrelevant to the NC and gets out drawn 
on TV by the games that are relevant?
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-14-92)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:07:08 CST
Keywords: Big Ten

In article <BxvAoA.ACp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage) writes:
>
>Purdue fans take heart, 4 (3 conference) games were lost by one
>touchdown or less (compared to 2 last year), and many of our 
>starters are freshmen and sophomores.  Other than Hunter and Jeff Z.,
>(Ouch!) we're not losing too much talent.  Next year....

Well, I thought Eric Beatty is a senior, too.  This guy led the Big 10 in
tackles last year and is doing it this year, as well as leading the
conference in fumble recoveries (he is a LB, by the way).  He will easily
be on the all-conference team this year.  IMO, they will miss him as much
as Zgonina - hell, this guy alone accounts for over 1/3 of Purdue's
tackles, I believe.
-- 

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Lee Corso at A&M TODAY (11/18/92)
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:07:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.152608.14424@bnr.ca> ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna) writes:
>Howdy!  From The Dallas Morning News...
>
>Lee Corso will be in College Station recording a feature for ESPN's
>College Gameday.  RC is quoted as saying that "he has a lot of guts
>coming here."
>
>Beat the Class of '90 hell outta TCU!
>
>PEdro '90
>
>
>
He also offered Corso a football helmet to wear during his stay on campus. What
guts he has to come to A&M. (or maybe he is just stew-pid!)


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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: What happens to Nevada?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:36:48 GMT


I know, plenty of you will say "Who cares?"  But I was wondering...

With San Jose State's loss today, Nevada has won the Big West outright and
supposedly would get a birth in the Silver (?) Bowl.  However, although
their overall record is 7-4, only five of those wins are against Division
IA teams (the five teams it beat in the Big West).  Does that matter to the
NCAA?  If Nevada is ineligible, how is the berth decided?  Does the Silver
Bowl have to take a Big West team, or can they choose someone else?

ecw
fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC bowl probabilities
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:23:19 GMT
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: bsricker@c00472-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu


According to the sources (USA Today, Raleigh News and Observer, and The Poop
Sheet) if the favored teams win this week, here's where they are headed:

Fiesta Bowl: Florida St.vs. ????? ... Thats according to the press, I have
a feeling that if Bama stays unbeaten, Fla St will play an undefeated 
A & M team in the Cotton Bowl

Gator Bowl: N.C. State vs. Georgia ... Should be an interesting matchup ... 
Georgia vs. Ga Tech (this weekend) should provide a good indication

Peach Bowl: UNC vs. Miss St ... I have a gut feeling (mainly cuz I can't
stand the Heels) that Miss St will beat the living hell out of UNC

Independece/Copper/some other small bowl: Wake Forest ... should attend their
first bowl game since 1979

Not bad for a 'basketball' conference, eh ?

Cheers,
B
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From: walker@convex.com (Dean Walker)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:14:09 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov17.200429.12910@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>If you watched ESPN, you would have seen Lee Corso constantly bashing
>A&M in favor of FSU. What makes him suspect is that he is a FSU alumni.
>A lot of AP pollsters may have be influenced by his propaganda.
>
>
>

It almost goes without saying that his campaigning for FSU was the decisive
factor. FSU only passed A&M by 3 points. If I understand the AP system 
correctly that means only three more voters picked FSU over A&M than vise versa.

But a lot can happen in the next few weeks.

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