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From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Organization: ASO IM operations


re: 

|>   [...]        Why does this newsgroup seem to attract so many nut
|>   cases?   

and:
>Because of the groups name alt.ALIEN.VISITORS.
>Several of us have tried to create a new "serious" news group, and the
>response has always been overwhelmingly apathetic. Maybe someday...

Hopefully I'm not one of the nut cases, however, since the skeptics and the
nut cases seem to be deeply invested in bashing each other it's difficult
for someone like myself, who MAY be an abductee to discuss anything in 
here. I've had skeptics bash me in personal mail, insisting that ANY
explanation is better than "abductions". Talk about un-open minds. I don't
claim that little grey aliens mess with me in the night, I do claim to have
many of the symptoms that abductees report and the abduction explanation is
just one of many that I'm trying on for size. It makes life interesting, yet
some folk insist on being really boring.

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From: rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Latest NAICCR info on crop circles
Keywords: north america, crop circles, NAICCR
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <BtJLF0.3JA@wpi.WPI.EDU> drwho@parker.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) writes:
>>       1992 North American Crop Circles and/or UGMs
>>           Reported to NAICCR as of 24 August 1992

>>920808    Strathclair, Manitoba
>>- a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars (a
>>circle with an attached arrow pointing away from it) was discovered in
>>a field southwest of Strathclair.  The main circle was 28 feet in
>>diameter, with no detectable eccentricity.  The wheat was flattened
>>counterclockwise.  In the arrow, the wheat was flattened away from the
>>circle.  The arrow pointed on a bearing of 260 degrees.
>>Source:  NAICCR
>>
>>920815    Ipswich, Manitoba
>>-  a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars was
>>discovered just east of Ipswich.  The main circle was elliptical, with
>>axes 26 and 24.5 feet.  The wheat was flattened counterclockwise.  The
>>arrow pointed on a bearing of 65 degrees.
>>Source:  NAICCR
>>920815    Strathclair, Manitoba
>>-  a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars was
>>discovered west of Strathclair.  The main circel was 24 feet in
>>diameter.  The wheat was flattened in a counterclockwise fashion.  The
>>arrow pointed on a bearing of 120 degrees.
>>Source:  NAICCR


>Did any of the investigators think of calculating what single point
>the three arrows are pointing to?  (if any)

We sure did.  The arrows did not converge, but pointed in completely
different directions.  Sheesh.  Give us SOME credit!  The arrows also
did not point at any notable landmarks, geological features or
Native/aboriginal structures.  Of course, if you extended the arrows
far enough, they'd reach some crop formations! 8*)

-- 
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Royal Astronomical Society of Canada
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: R.R.-Is he real???
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:07:19 GMT

In article <guest.37@dhhalden.no>, guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST) writes:
> I've allways wondered; Is Ronald Reagen an alien?
> 
> 	G.H.	

He can't remember:-)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: alien interest in us
Keywords: interested in us?
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:49:15 GMT


Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us.

According to Timothy Good's new book  "Alien Liaison", we humans are called 
"containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as 
meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At 
least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation 
for their "breeding experiments".  
									Regards, Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg)
Subject: Re:Re: Are we an experiment ?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:35:26 GMT


>Charles writes: 
> 
> 
> ... well, I'm not so sure that's clear.  For instance, these religious
> hermits (or ascetics, can't remember which word is correct) often
> lived in loose communities.  Since they didn't die, one has to surmise
> that food came from somewhere.  Food doesn't grow very well in the
> desert.  Perhaps it was brought to them?
> 
> Charles
> 
>Are you assuming that aliens brought the food?
 An interesting theory.
 In fact, aliens seem to love deserts, dont they? (at least arid regions)
 It might even be plausible that meditative people may have have wandered
 off into the desert to be anything but alone!

 Unless youre an ecologist, there is not much to do in the desert except
 get a sunstroke.And where DID they they get their food from?
 Are the romote, uninhabitable stretches on our planet the classrooms of 
the past or the rendezvous dramatised in Close Encounters of the Third 
 Kind?

 Chris.
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:42:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <Aug.25.23.01.19.1992.12900@dropout.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
|> 
|>    In any case, Liddy spent a number of years in jail, alive--
|> wouldn't your conspiracy theory have been better served if he had been
|> killed there?  If he was acting on the Agency's behalf, then he would
|> have been a very, very loose end indeed.  Killing Liddy in jail would
|> have been very easy to arrange...
|> 

How would you have arranged it??  Hit him in the head with an errant golf
ball??  Short out the Jacuzzi??  Poison his Chateua Briand??

I hope you don't honestly expect anyone to believe that any of the Watergate
Names went to places like Attica, Ossining or Alcatraz.  They all (except
I think for the one who refused to say anything even at his trial) did their
time in places like Allenwood. A prison with a 18 hole golf course and a
better library than most colleges so they can research their memoirs without
having to wait for inter-library loans.  Visit Allenwood sometime.  It puts
the concept of "political prisoner" into a whole new light.

bill

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From: maynard@groo.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:09:25 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center


>Under the guise of the FDA, they are now attempting to outlaw the sale of
>vitamins and herbs without a prescription. This is a law that has already
>been passed in the Senate call the NLEA. More laws are being proposed
>that
>will also give the FDA the power to shut down vitamin suppliment
>companies,
>and restrict access to information (HR3642/S2135 and HR1662).

Maybe this is because many of the people selling these things make
ridculous bogus claims, with no evidence to back them up. Truth in
advertising does actually matter- even when it's your favorite cause.

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: Aliens without souls
Followup-To: David's ideas
Keywords: Aliens with souls?
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:57:28 GMT



David says: 

	 When the babies are able to live on 
	their own, they are often "presented" to abductees for sessions of "human 
	interaction."  Witnesses have reported participating in these sessions with 
	cross-bred children of up to adolescent age.

 I've read about this too. However, in a superb (because it treats the 
subject rationally, not sensationally) video I got hold of, some ETs are 
saying that they're interbreeding with us *not* because they haven't got a 
soul (or spirit), but because they have lost the ability to *love*, which 
they now realise as being "the most important thing in the Universe". This 
would account for the "human interaction" sessions too. 
I do believe that even the greys have a spirit, but something must be lacking 
somewhere..

	 If you believe in reincarnation, are these 
	cross-breeds imbued with reincarnated human souls?

I do believe in reincarnation. I can't prove it, but am prepared to discuss 
it seriously (on Email if you want). But I certainly don't think that we only 
incarnate on *this* planet, or even only on this "plane". 

(Just as an aside, I was in Findhorn recently, and one of the focalizers 
there told me that people are now not only regressing with ease into past 
lives, but also progressing - having a look at what's to come.)
So it's true - we're just looking at a set of virtual reality videos, folks.
Maybe we're all pre-programmed anyway?

 	It seems like this new abduction information leads to a 
	lot of sticky questions on the true nature of humanity and religion. 

I like the way these ideas are leading. Is there an alt.philosophy group, and 
if so, do they talk about this kind of thing? I bet it's not half as 
interesting. 
Maybe the greys are here already, but if they are, they're being so darn 
careful, that I feel they're really trying not to harm us. And they could 
have zapped the earth a hundred times over, so I don't feel too convinced 
about this infiltration thing. But I'd like to discuss it. These clones don't 
seem too bad, actually. One of them bought me a coffee, and was really open 
about his views. Maybe he wasn't a clone, but I'm sure they're really nice 
people deep down. 

Have a good weekend.  Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
From: Ichiban
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:25:41 GMT
Organization: Mizu Shobai
Distribution: world
Reply-To: noone@all
NNTP-Posting-Host: framemaker.ebay.sun.com


>The bit with the H-bomb bullets was also fun.
>I wonder if they have thermonuclear hand grenades.  :-)

	No, no they use Holy hand grenades, the thermonuclear ones were banned during Vatican II...

Shitsurei Shimasu

Ichiban

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From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !!
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:18:26 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <92241.111251WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>, WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:


|>Hey!  Bush is sending the Army into Florida on the ruse of cleaning up after
|>the hurricane.  Couldn't this be the start of Helter Skelter?  Let's not be
|>hasty--August still has a couple of days to run.  The UN may still make it
|>in time for the serious bloodshed (if they don't get pinned down in Bosnia).
|>
|>Bill Ellis FOAFtale News "Manson Was Right"
|>


	Get a life Bill.  Have you met Gary Stollman.  You to would make a
	great pair.  Perhaps you two could start a news letter called 

	"Paranoids R Us"

	Steve Food_for_the_Grays
			
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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Keywords: obe
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:40:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.011453.22128@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.214911.25965@news.mentorg.com> tom_repasky@mentorg.com 
>writes:
>[A bunch of horse-hockey deleted]
>
>Tom - it was an okay effort, but I think both Gary and John have you
>outmatched.  It was a very disjointed story, and used several
>well-worn themes familiar to any SF/fantasy reader.  
>
>A suggestion - plot out where you're going before you get there.  Too
>much seemed thrown in on the spur of the moment, as you were writing.
>
>If you expect anybody to actually believe this nonsense, try harder.
>
>	RA

NO! Don't listen to him, Tom. Even though I just about flamed you for
having the stuff in this newsgroup ( I am one that beleives that a.a.v should
be a serious discussion area), my enjoyment of the story kept me from it.
If you copied the story from somewhere, thanx for typing. If you created it,
do some more!

Gregg.

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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:03:54 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <7918@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)) writes:
> In article <wb9omc.714675699@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
> From _The_Dictionary_of_Misinformation_, by Tom Burnam:
> 
> Inventor of the lightbulb:  Many people think he was, but Thomas A.
> Edison simply improved upon a principle others had discovered and worked
> on for years.  Electric lighting itself is much older than commonly supposed, 
> although the earliest attempts involved arcs rather than filaments.  
> As early as 1802 Sir Humphrey Davy produced an arc light, and in 1844, 
> three years before Edison was born, Jean Foucalt made an arc light 
> strong enough to illuminate the Place de la Concorde in Paris.
> 
> An English physicist, Sir Joseph William Swan, made a crude light bulb 
> as early as 1860.  In 1878, he showed a successful carbon-filament lamp 
> at Newcastle, some ten months beore Edison managed to come up with 
> his "original".
Listen to this:

 The governer of North Carolina was complementing Thomas Edison one day on
being a great inventor.
 The modest Edison looked uncomfortable. 'I am not a great inventor', he said.
'But you have over a thousand patents to your credit, haven't you?'
'Yes, but about the only invention*I*can*claim*as*absolutley*original* is the
phonograph,' was the reply.
'Just what do you mean? asked the governer.
'Well,' explained Mr Edison 'I guess I'm an awfully good sponge. I absorb ideas
from every source I can, and put them ti practical use. Then I improve them
until they become of some value. The ideas are mostly the ideas of people who
don't develop them.

- Taken from Jokes, Quotes and other one liners fir public speakers, by H
Prochnow and H prochnow Jr, a Thorson publication. (3831 in 1987 oublication).
 Don't knock a great man. He was only doing what other people should have done
long ago.

-- 
John McVey, Whyalla campus, Uni S.Australia
Enic Eng Student & Terror Tekkie G1 (at 19!)
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au, or try
9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au

Those who believe in an afterlife will not be disappointed.
				--me.
'An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.'
   				--Don Marquis
From: small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter Small)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: D-Notice
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:27:11 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Does anyone have any information about D-Notice?  This is an informal
agreement between the governments of the world that keeps certain
artifacts, knowledge, etc out of the public eye.  It may have been
used to coverup UFO crash sites and certain OOPARTS (out of place
artifacts).

Any information will be appreciated.

Thank You

PS
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From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Are we an experiment ?
Keywords: spiritual growth
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:03:48 GMT



This posting seems to have gone lost, so I'll try again:

 
OK, I was alluding to Jesus. I think he specially went to fast in the desert. 
John (the baptist) was "in the wilderness" too, but he ate locusts, among 
other things. (Don`t ask me what the locusts ate!) I did mean people who fast 
in order to develop spiritually.        Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
From: gvb@TEST1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: K-2 Radio Transmission
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:19:41 GMT

In article <BtF6qG.96p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> foxd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (daniel fox) writes:
>Today I got the copy of the K-2 transmission and listened very carefully to
>it.  It is definitely the work of new age musicians.  The sounds recorded have
>an echo effect used all through the tape.  The same sound effects are used
>at periodic intervals for long stretches of the tape.  There is little to 
>indicate a high information content, but a lot to indicate music.  Maybe it's
>alien new age musicians.
>
>                                             Daniel B. Fox
>                                             KF9ET


Yeah! Thanx for the opinion. Most of the frequencies they talk about
are much to low to have much highspeeddigitalencrypteddata in it. Its 
interesting to listen to though. 

Gregg.
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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:13:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing

In article <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> hedron::daveb writes:
>I'm not saying I believe in a coverup, but I admit the possibility.
>

I don't think they covered it up as well as most claim...

I'm told that Reagan spoke of the possibility of an attack from
space no less than four times.  Very few noticed...

I'll try to track down the actual times he did...

Rick


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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:28:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > I was regressed once by Dr. John Mack at his home in Mass. We were
 > investigating a particular incident that seemed a bit odd, but where I
 > had
 > no conscious memory of anything unusual happening, except that there was
 > a
 > time anomoly, ie: it appeared that I had lost a couple hours of time. My
[rest deleted]

This is a nice testimonial, but the problem is that until others in the field 
of psychology can review your tapes, charts and whatever else Mack did, no 
one, including yourself, can make the determination that he followed 
professional standards and ethics.  I am not saying that Dr. Mack did not, but 
I am saying that peer review is a necessary procedure in scientific 
methodology.  Perhaps you would care to have a second opinion?

BTW, how long ago was this?

Mike

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Subject: Re: UFO spotted in PA ???
From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 11:12:37 -0400 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>	 When I returned home from work last night, the wife said she
>	heard on the radio that a UFO had been spotted somewhere in 
>	Pennsylvania. There wasn't very much to the report she said,
>	except an eye-witness who said that it looked like a glowing
>	disk seen from edge-on, and it was silent. The eye-witness 
>	also said it was "un-earthly".


The UFO was spotted in around 5 or 6 counties from Harrisburg to north
of Pittsburgh.  News coverage of the event was quite good as there were
many witnesses and videos (it moved slowly across a number of picnics,
etc.).  The official explanation is that it was the Airship Glidden
(internally lit) moving across PA.  This might be the case; however, the
video shows bulging at the top of the object not at the bottom as you
would expect from an airship.  I have not reviewed my copy of the video
since I taped it, but when I do, I will post more.  
BTW -- anyone familiar with this particular airship.  I'd like to see a
daylight photo of it...

andy 
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