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From: jmsimon@acsu.buffalo.edu (JMS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can I use dd on my UNIX system instead of Rawrite?
Keywords: ltools?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:24:46 GMT
Organization: UB okay with me

In article <1992Aug12.122718.28604@ncsu.edu> jlnance@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>Now my question:
>Would it be simple to modify the mtools source to allow it to read and write
>linux files onto a floppy instead of dos files?  (We could call it ltools).
>I think that this could be useful.

I don't think files in *nices are stored in such a way as that would be
possible - I may be wrong, but mtools should be reading the file allocation
table off of a DOS floppy and using that info to display a directory. To
grab a file, it can go to the location on disk specified by the FAT entry.

There isn't a FAT per se in *nix, is there? Just a bunch of inodes? Okay,
someone else field this one ;^) because I'm quickly leaving my element of
"end-user" and "programmer" and creeping towards "OS hacker" -- help!

But aside from that, I don't see why you couldn't just do:

   fdformat
   mkfs -c /dev/fd0 1200 (or 1440 for a 1.44mb 3.5")
   mount /dev/fd0 /linux.floppy
   tar cvf /linux.floppy/my.tar *
   umount /dev/fd0
   ...and take it with you...

   (of course you can skip the fdformat and mkfs step if the disk already 
    has a file system on it)

Also, on my Sparc at work I have used other programs similar to tar, one
which springs to mind is called 'bar' -- I seem to remember this utility
would let you put multiple 'bar'chive files onto a single floppy or tape.

The man page wasn't enough to refresh my memory (it's been a long time
since I backed up my files on disk! Exabytes work great) on how to use
it or specifically what it can do better, but I know a "bar" file isn't 
compatible with a tar file. Multiple tar archives can be put inside 
multiple bar archives on one disk, tho, which makes it a bit better than
tar for disk backups (multiple volumes)

JMS

>
>Jim Nance


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From: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Standards (was: Stabilizing Linux)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:18:09 GMT
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Organization: You must be kidding!

In article <1992Aug18.070709.16015@trl.oz.au> of comp.os.linux,
  mcf@medici.trl.OZ.AU (Michael Flower) writes:
> From article <1992Aug16.073340.11418@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, by torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds):
> 
> > ......
> > overreaction to the price I had to pay for minix ($169 may not be much,
> > but it's still more than I can afford: I'm still paying monthly
> > installments on my machine) and (b) protection: linux wasn't well-known
> > .....
> 
> Ok guys, what say someone organises a whip around to pay off this beast.
> It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people around that are
> using Linux, and getting a lot of fun and interest out of it, and for a
> small trouble we could pay off the machine, and allow Linus's mind
> fuller scope to spend on the problem in hand rather than the monthly payments
> on the box. Perhaps as a gesture of saying 'thanx'. I realise that there
> are many 
> other people that also contribute, but after all, Linus started this game.
> 

I like this idea.  After freaking out the line printer operators at my
school by dumping the Linux source tree to printer I have gotten quite a
concept just how much effort has gone into this marvelous piece of code.  I
would volunteer to take up contributions in the USA, but I will be moving
in less than a month.  Maybe I should try to see if my dep't at school
would let me receive mail there.

	/hpa
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From: shamus@eskimo.celestial.com (Jay Mottern)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux support BBS- what happened?
Keywords: Linux, BBS, dial-up, broke
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:12:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-


What ever became of the Linux BBS on 508-793-9568? It was supposed to
be for people with no Internet access so they could get Linux files.
Everytime I call it, I handshake with a modem then nothing! My terminal
doesn't echo local commands when I try to type anything. I hit enter
a few times, still nada. I end up having to drop carrier and disconnect.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: Linux Standards (was: Stabilizing Linux)
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:39:29 GMT

mcf@medici.trl.OZ.AU (Michael Flower) writes:

>Ok guys, what say someone organises a whip around to pay off this beast.
>It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people around that are
>using Linux, and getting a lot of fun and interest out of it, and for a
>small trouble we could pay off the machine, and allow Linus's mind
>fuller scope to spend on the problem in hand rather than the monthly payments
>on the box. Perhaps as a gesture of saying 'thanx'. I realise that there are many
>other people that also contribute, but after all, Linus started this game.

I see no reason why we couldn't at least organise a quick Oz based whip-around,
Want to organise something Michael ?

Terry


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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: a patch for free in the ps-0.97 package
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:45:37 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Just in case anybody wonders: yes, the next patch will again break all
programs (well, most of them) that read kernel memory directly.  In
fact, some things, notably the command line snooping that 'ps' does and
the page-counting ("ps m") will break totally: they have to be
rewritten, and will need kernel support.  The reason is that /dev/mem is
no longer able to read the data in other processes: the memory
management has changed to use different page tables for each process. 

I either have to implement some kind of /proc filesystem or support
some "get_ps_info()" system call - the get_ps_info() way is easier, but
a /proc fs might be a good idea and is more general. It will have to
wait for 0.98 or so, though: 0.97.pl2 won't have a good ps interface.

		Linus
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: multiuser, multidisk questions from novice
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:25:17 GMT

In article <133895@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> blair@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Gary Blair) writes:
>Please excuse any of the following that may be FAQs.  If they're all FAQs,
>please direct me to the FAQ list. 
>
>I have a ISA 486/33 system with a 200Mbyte HD and 4Mbyte RAM.
>
>1. What compiler, if any, is needed to compile/install Linux?

None to install it, gcc under linux (or as a cross compiler) is 
required to compile it. GCC is freely redistributable, and available
via anonymous FTP from any of the Linux FTP sites in binary form.

>2. Is Linux a true multiuser, password protected system?

Yes.  You can use either a normal /etc/passwd, or the shadow package.
Both encrypt passwords with the standard DES based crypt() function.

>3. Is is possible to connect other PCs/terminals via serial lines to
>allow multiple simultaneous users?  Any suggestions on how to do
>this?

Yes.  Plug them in, make sure the parameters match on both 
ends, and add an appropriate entry to /etc/ttys or /etc/inittab
depending on you using a BSD or SYSV init program.

>4. If (3) is possible, any ideas on what performance will be like?
>Users will be doing simple things, not massive compiles.

Under Unix, processes sleep when they aren't doing anything.
Ie, waiting for I/O to complete, etc.  They don't take
up cycles when in this sleeping state.

A normal typist will average 60 words per minute, at 5 characters 
per word, or 5 characters per second.  5 cps compared to the 33 million
clocks per second today's PC's run it is insignificant.

Consequently, users playing Rogue, Nethack, using vi, etc on 
other terminals make a minimal impact on the system - my roomate would 
play nethack on the Envision terminal emulating a VT-100, and would 
use less than 5% of the CPU time.

So, the answer is "Performance will be very good"

>5. Is is possible for a Linux partition to coexist with a DOS 
>partition on the same disk?  How easy is it to switch between the

Yes.

>partitions?

Select one at bootup, with one as the default, with a single 
key press.

>
>6. Is is possible to move files between DOS and Linux?

Yes - there is a DOS filesystem under Linux, so the native 
Linux commands can be used.  You can also use mtools.

>
>7. Would it be possible to install a second hard disk dedicated to Linux?

Yes.

>How do I indicate that Linux is to be booted from that disk?

Either make it the first hard disk, or have a mini-root on 
the first disk where the kernel is loaded from, since you 
can only boot the first physical hard disk.  Root can be 
mounted from someplace else though - so you only need < 400K 
for the kernel + space for the shoelace files on the 
miniroot.
 
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IBM for AIX (appropriately called Aches by those having to administer it), but 
marketing's sins don't come close to those of legal departments.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Mark Komarinski <komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
Subject: Re: Stabilizing linux
Reply-To: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:07:50 GMT

On Aug 12,  2:33pm, Eric Youngdale wrote:
| In article <1992Aug12.124749.17219@engr.uark.edu> tep@engr.uark.edu writes:
| >dje@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca (Doug Evans) writes:
| >
| >>davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
| >>For example, I can buy a whole suite of manuals on SVR4/386 from Prentice Hall
| >>for about $300. Yes yes, that's pretty steep, but what are the realistic
| >>alternatives?
| >>
| >>Suppose Linux was heading to where SVR4/386 already is: most of our manuals
| >>would already be written for us. And we would rarely have to cope with Linux
| >
| >Plagiarism.
| 
|         No, you miss the point.  I think that the idea was that we could simply
| tell people to go down to their local technical bookstore, and tell them to buy
| the SVR4/386 manual set.  The users manual might be OK, but we need to remember
| that we are using mostly GNU replacements, and this means that there are
| additional switches and features which would not be in the SVR4 manuals.
| The system administrators manual for SVR4 is useless as far as linux is
| concerned. 
|

Great. $60 to get the 20 disks from a company and $300 to get the manuals.
 
|         There is a linux manpage project that someone is coordinating.  I do
| not know the status of it, but perhaps someone involved would care to fill us
| in on the status.  I would be interested in seeing a list of which utilities
| they have man pages for.
| 
|         This could be the beginning of a linux manual.  My feeling is that
| a collection of man pages is a very poor substitute for a real manual, but
| the main advantage is that there is very little writing required to get
| something publishable.

Both manuals and man pages have their advantages.  Manuals are good for 
skimming through and getting general information and for beginners 
trying to get a clue.  man pages are better for gurus/hackers who forgot 
that one switch.

Why not have both?  Whipping up some on-line manuals that can be printed
or viewed should not be that much trouble, and everyone will benefit in the
end.

-Mark


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: fcrews@WES.ARMY.MIL (FORD CREWS)
Subject: Staker like file system
Organization: ITL
Keywords: Compressed file system
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:54:20 GMT
X-Posted-From: ford.wes.army.mil
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello has anyone out there working on the linux filesystems thought about
adding an option for a compressed file system like Stacker does for DOS.
You know a file system that compresses/uncompresses on the fly so we can get
more stuff on our hard drives.  Just an idea I had that I thought might be 
easer to get going now than later when everything is set in stone.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cougar@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Erik Collin)
Subject: How does one set default font sizes in X?
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:39:36 GMT

When I open a window in X I get a small font and have to change it to the
"large" font by hand using control-right mouse button.  I've looked at .twmrc
and .xinit files and didn't see anything that looked like it would let me
get a larger font on startup.  Anyone know what to change to get a larger 
type size?

Also, when changing fonts I get an error message on my screen after exiting X
that says:

Warning:Cannot convert string "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-is
o8859-*" to type FontStruct

Any ideas on what that means?

-Erik
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: shared libs - can everyone be happy with this?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug17.065450.28834@colorado.edu>, drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:

| Boom.  You've just dirtied that page, and it is no longer 
| shareable.  So, instead of having > 200K shared between all
| of your shells, you have closer to 800K (Who has less than
| 4 shells running at a time).  Not a good thing (tm).

  Well, no, actually. Since the new version of the page is still valid
for all processes it would still be sharable. And it would not have to
be saved somewhere in the unlikely event that it gets paged out, because
the unmodified varsion is still perfectly valid.

  Since there is a choice of using -jump or not, I'm not suggesting
that this is needed, but I certainly think that it does not present the
technical problems you imply. The argument that the kernel does not
currently support this is valid, and I don't suggest that support needs
to be added. As long as there is a way other than static linking to get
around the use of the jump table for time critical programs, that
solves the problem, at least as I see it.

  Having used runtime linking on a real pig of a computer, I see not
reason why that would not be satisfactory in terms of performance, but I
also don't see that's it's critical at this time. If I ever feel the
need for it, I'll write it. I did it once, it's tedious but not
challenging, and adds as much overhead to short programs as jump tables
to to long programs.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: axi0349@ultb.isc.rit.edu (A.X. Ivasyuk )
Subject: porting xditview to Linux, take 1.
Originator: axi0349@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:56:58 GMT

Hello, everyone.
  I'm currently working on getting xditview to work with Linux.  The reason for
this is that I don't want to keep all those TeX fonts around when I already
have the regular X11 fonts installed.  Besides, I'm used to xditview on our
machines over here.
  The problem I'm having is that groff is looking for some macro file
named 'X'.  The command I'm using is 'groff -TX75 xditview.man >xditview.dit'
to format the xditview man page, as a test.  I made the appropriate subdir
in the groff font subdir for X75, and ran xtotroff to create the DESC files,
etc.  xditview (actually renamed gxditview because that's what groff looks
for) pops up a very familiar window up on the screen, but groff doesn't put
anything in it because it can't find 'X':
        'gtroff: fatal error: can't find macro file X'
  If anyone out there who has some experience installing this stuff knows
what's going on, please drop me a line.

-Anatoly
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jmsimon@acsu.buffalo.edu (JMS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: patch 1
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:24:33 GMT
Organization: UB


Oops. sorry. Got patch 1 to take (after 30 seconds of more trying) -
realized I was trying to patch from the wrong directory....thud *:{

Still can't do anything with LILO though...help there would still be
appreciated....
			JMS
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William A Jones)
Subject: Looking for shared libs for GCC version 2.11c
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:29:03 GMT

Since I am unable to run X11 vers. 1.1 (I have a Speedstar 24 and
have been unable to get it to work, although under version 1.0 it
works fine at 25 and 28 Mhz) I am having to reinstall version 1.0
which will work.  But, I have long since deleted my shared libs for
GCC2.11c which X11v1.0 requires.

I have checked the various ftp sites with no luck.  If someone
has copies of these could they let me know?  Thanks

Bill

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: Re: Does anyone have GNU fax working?
Organization: IDA Supercomputing Research Center
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:28:01 GMT

Before everyone runs off and snarfs NetFax you should understand what
it is: a package for shuffling Group III fax files around your machine
and the net.  It doesn't generate, understand or display them itself
-- it calls ghostscript with an output drive for "fax".  The NetFax
code itself is still in the development stage, with lots of pathnames
to configure (and none have reasonable defaults), one file per
directory, and many short C programs that would have been more
appropriate as shell scripts.  The need for TCP come from its ability
to shuffle fax files off to a machine that has a sendfax modem service
-- a need the typical Linux user doesn't have.

OTOH, the Group III output capability of ghostscript is something that a
Linixer with a sendfax modem may needs.  Just write a 'sendfax'
command that works like:
	% sendfax <dial-this-number> [<send-this-fax-file>]
	% gs letter.ps | sendfax <dial-this-number>


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From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need Help!
Keywords: mouse, fsck, manpages
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:02:14 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

Just in case. There is a driver for this mouse for SVR3 on gatekeeper.dec.com.

-- 
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----
In article <1992Aug14.202901.12777@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, tyrone@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (tyrone.shiu) writes:
|> Hi:
|> I post a mail asking for help on get my mouse to be recognized by linux
|> so that I can at least use MGR. I have an ATI Ultra with the mouse port
|> on it. I need to know is there any patch or anything to get it to work.
|> I got quite a few replies that they are interested in knowing too.
|> 
|> I also need to know where can I get source/man/doc on the fsck used by
|> linux. I can't seem to find it on tsx.
|> 
|> Thanks a million in advance!!
|> 
|> +--------------------------------+
|> | Tyrone Shiu                    |
|> | Phone: 908-548-7852            |
|> | Email: tyrone@cbnewsi.att.com  |
|> +--------------------------------+
|>
From: james@netcom.com (James L. Paul)
Subject: Re: ps-0.97 error creating psdatabase
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:38:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug17.043126.10479@ennews.eas.asu.edu> mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Dan McGuirk) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.225902.12408@utstat.uucp> rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student)) writes:
>>Are you sure you've boot up from kernel you compiled?
>>You have to copy (dd) Image on floopy (or to your boot
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>sector on HD) and boot up with that. [...]
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Don't copy /etc/Image to the boot sector of your hard drive.  That
>would be bad.
>
>
>--
>Dan McGuirk                                      mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu

I'm not sure where I gave the impression that I'm having a problem figuring
out how to make a boot floppy. I'm compiling 0.97.1 just fine. I'm making a
boot floppy just fine. (After several versions, it's old hat! ;) I'm running
from a boot floppy I compiled and made with dd bs=8192 if=Image of=/dev/myfloppy

The problem is ps-0.97 doesn't want to make a new psdatabase. period. I kill
the old one, I remake the kernel, no avail. I suspect that ps broke with
0.97.1, and needs a new patch.

Others have replied to me via mail that they are having the same problem,
and are also hoping for an answer.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jane@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (jane lynette cosham)
Subject: conflicting serial ports
Summary: Problem using ttys0 and ttys2 at same time
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:08:06 GMT

Hi!

I am using linux 0.96c and having problems using ttys0 and ttys2 at
the same time.

If ttys0 is in use (for example for the mouse in X) then attempts to
open ttys2 fail - reporting that the device is busy.  The reverse also
happens - if ttys2 is in use then ttys0 reports as busy.

This is not dependent on what is trying to open the port or which one
has the first port open - X for the mouse, kermit, getty or just a 
write to that device.  It also is not dependent on the hardware - I 
have tried different i/o cards or even removing the card altogether.  
(kermit doesn't mind opening a port that isn't installed and writes 
to the other one still say the device is in use)

Is this a bug?  Am I doing something wrong?  Would it be fixed if I
upgraded to 0.97?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,  Jane.

jane@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au