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From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: Cleaning moldy floppies
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:59:16 GMT

Michael.Davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org (Michael Davidson) writes:

>David Brightbill enquired:
>>Does anyone have a clue as to how we might clean these disks up and get them
>>back ?????????

>I think you should get a mac head to examine your hard drive and try to
>recovver all you can with a utility program.
>Concerning the moldy floppies: use lighter fluid to clean them. I've used it
>many times to clean disk labels off. it works great; never had a problem yet.
>It doesn't hurt the media if it gets on it. And, its cheep. 

I have also had good luck with rubbing alcohol.  My brother spilled pepsi
(tm) on a disk with valuable data (tm) which sat overnight.  I split the
disk open, soaked it in alcohol, split another disk open (so I could put
yje media in a 'clean' case) and copied the data.  Saved my butt.

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From: dwt@well.sf.ca.us (dwt)
Subject: Re: Dead PowerBook Battery
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:06:10 GMT

In <19141@mindlink.bc.ca> Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Daryl Spitzer) writes:

>Without warning, the battery on my PowerBook 170 has gone completely dead.
>The PowerBook works fine while plugged in, but won't even turn on using the
>battery.  I've tried for many hours to recharge it, but it's still dead.
>(What's strange is that just before it died, I had managed to coax over three
>hours of use out of it.)

>Is a PowerBook battery covered under a warranty?  (The battery is the
>original
>that came with the PB...I've had both for about 6 months now.)  I don't think
>I can call the 800 service number since I'm in Canada.

>Any advice or suggestions?  Has this happened to anyone else?  I guess I
>should
>head over to the nearest computer store (that sells PowerBooks) and try out
>a different battery in my PowerBook just to make sure it is the battery.

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You have blown the fuse for the battery!  Yes, I know. . . I didn't
beleive it when I did it either.  Look at the very tip of your Power
Adapter plug.  See the tiny black plastic ring of insulation between
the pos and neg poles?  Cracked off at least partly isn't it?  Apple
acknowledges that this occurs and that it causes a short if you insert
the damaged adapter plug just right (or wrongly if you think about it!).

The solution is to call 1-800-SOS-APPL and they will confirm that they
will replace the adaptor and the fuse under warranty.  The new adaptors
have a fix for this.





Good luck!

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Distribution: world
From: Cliff_Stoll@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:58:02 PST
Subject: Bad experience with Apple Repair

Well, I sent my Powerbook 100 in for warantee repair ... bad hard drive.
The people at 1 800 SOS APPL said it'd take a day.  So far it's been 2 weeks.

The usual frustrations:  
  -  Apple Texas repair site promises but doesn't returns calls.
  - The repair depot is in Rochester, NY but the phone operators are in Texas.
       (they don't have a computer linking the two sites)
  - Apple's holiday vacation message on their 800 number tells you that
        they're open when the place is closed for vacation.

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From: jamesb@apple.com (James Blair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SCSI questions
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:53:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
From: cht@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chester Liu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Strange Hard drive!  Even APS tech support can't figure this out!!!
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:08:32 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu
Summary: Quirky hard drive problem


Hi, if you have any suggestions for the following problem, PLEASE REPLY!!

I have had an internal APS Quantum ProDrive 105 in my Mac IIcx for
about 2.5 years.  It developed the following problem over the past few
months:

BASIC PROBLEM:
	When I boot up the Mac after several hours of inactivity,
the Mac refuses to boot up from the hard drive and simply displays the
'happy mac' and stops.  Hitting the reset button to reboot doesn't
solve the problem, I must physically turn the Mac off and on.

OBSERVATIONS:
1)  THis problem ONLY occurs after the Mac has been off for a few hours.
2)  When I turn it on after it's been off for a while, nothing happens,
    then there is an obvious 'click' sound and the hard drive starts
    spinning.  If the Mac was recently used, the hard drive has a smooth
    spin-up sound.

SUGGESTIONS BY APS WHICH HAVE BEEN TRIED ALREADY:
1)  Install their latest device driver.
2)  Run their program "BootTime" which sets a delay before the Mac
    supposedly searches for the drive.
3)  Reseat all connector cables, etc.
4)  Zap the paramter RAM.

I noticed that the Boottime program had no effect on how long it
took for the drive to boot up.  APS tech couldn't explain it.  I'm running
System 7.0.1.
Even though the ability of the drive to spin up quickly seemed to depend
on how long ago the Mac was last turned off, APS strongly doubts
that it's a drive sticking problem because my serial number isn't
among those that Quantum reported problems with.


My warranty has run out so I don't really want to send it to APS.
If you have any suggestions or can explain any of the anomalies,
please help!!


THanks,
Chester Liu
cht@titan.ucc.umass.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: woo@woonext.dsrd.ornl.gov (John W. Wooten)
Subject: Excel 4.0 doesn't work on my new IIsi!
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:25:57 GMT

I just got my new IIsi running.  I moved the software from my old Mac 512
that I had upgraded to a Plus with new roms etc.  Most things are fine, but
Excel ends with an error code 90.

Any ideas what is happening?

Please reply to woo@ornl.gov
Thanks

- - - - - - - - -
J. W. Wooten
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Help: Installing simms in a Q700
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:22:21 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1hg6nvINNks6@crcnis1.unl.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), cansorge@unlinfo.unl.edu (charles ansorge) writes:
> 
> 	My friend just bought a new Quadra 700 with 4MB RAM and wants to 
> install 4 more MB.  The problem is the power supply is in the way and we
> don't know if it snaps out or is screwed in.  How do we get to the simm
> slots??  Thanks in advance for any help...

No screws, just give a good tug.  It will slide right out.  To put
it back in, just slide it back in.  Nice design.

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From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PC is faster than Mac? Myth or Truth?
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:48:53 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Dec20.124013.998@sc2a.unige.ch> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), kanala@sc2a.unige.ch writes:
> 
> The other story is that actually, the PC is really faster than a Mac you buy
> for the same price. No Mac can compete with a 66 MHz 486. I bought a Quadra,
> anyway, but there are people to whom raw performance is more important than
> System 7. If one has to justify the hardware expense by amount of heavy 
> calculus, it would be difficult to buy a Mac.

If raw speed is your only criteria why in the world would you buy
a 486 based anything?  Go for RISC.  Get a nice HP or DEC Alpha based
box and really hum along.  Of course you'll be stuck with using Unix.
Of well, life isn't perfect - yet.

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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:21:15 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>In <D2150035.lqbfh6@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:

>>My friends at DEC tell me there was one overriding reason that Alpha
>>wasn't picked over PowerPC: Politics.  The technological considerations
>>were a distant second.

>"Losing bidder charges 'politics.'"

>Not exactly what I'd call a newsflash. :-)

There's probably SOME truth to the charge. When I asked a local Apple person
(who probably doesn't know squat) why Power architecture and not Alpha they
gave me a bunch of reasons that didn't hold water.

Certainly, DEC's claims as to the potential awesomeness of Alpha seems about
an order of magnitude beyond Apple-IBM-Motorola's. Albeit, since both archi-
tectures will be scalable, the unit cost of chips may be more important than
the raw power of individual chips by the time any of this becomes important.

Certainly, DEC has -- since appearing to strategically ally itself with Apple
(vs Microsoft) some years ago when Apple started doing a lot of DEC connecti
vity stuff, and both were boasting about each other's products -- to have moved
over to the other side, joining ACE and basically becoming a member of the
scumbags who don't know how to do real user interfaces club. (This is just my
gut level feeling about who loves whom right now and not an especially
educated opinion.)

On the other hand, the idea that Apple would choose IBM over DEC for 
political reasons seems strange... What did Tom Lehrer say about outr
"traditional friends" like Germany, and our "current friends" like
France?


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From: ljones@utkvx3.utk.edu (Me? Graduated? Nope. Not yet.)
Subject: Should I buy an FPU for my LC?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:42:00 GMT

Hello helpful netters,

      I just graduated (ignore my from: line) and can now afford
to buy a few things for my Mac. I've pretty much decided to
upgrade to 10 meg of RAM. The other thing I'm considering is
adding a 16 or 20 Mhz FPU to my LC.
     These 68882 FPUs can be had for around $60. Knowing what
I'm about to tell you, would it be worth my time to buy one?

Hardware: LC, 12"RGB, 512K VRAM, monitor set to 256 colors,StyleWriter.

S

Some specific questions:
Will video performance improve with an FPU?

Will system performance improve with an FPU?

Will Word 5.1's performance improve with an FPU?

What applications, other than spreadsheets, Mathematica and allies,
take advantage of an FPU?

LC owners: what do you think is the best bang for the buck when
upgrading an LC?

Thanks in advance,
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From: bowden@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John William Bowden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: IIsi monitor turned dk-bluish any ideas?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:29:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: bowden@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Hiya,

 One of our si's has decided that it likes a really blue screen.
This problem happens with whatever color monitor is attached so
i suspect a problem in either the cord or the CPU. Any ideas what
this might be?

Thanks in advance,
John
From: ht@lns598.tn.cornell.edu (Hiroyasu Tajima)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: flopticals
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:19:03 GMT
Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY  14853
NNTP-Posting-Host: lns534.tn.cornell.edu


In article <1992Dec14.135140.22106@linus.mitre.org>,  (m19701) writes:
> Greetings all.
> 
> 			I am considering the PLI 21meg floptical.  Does any one out there use
> one?  Is it truely capable of reading/writing reg discs as well?  Even if
> disc formated on another drive?  Any problems with other drives
> reading/writing to reg discs formated on floptical?
> 
> 			Seems the cost of a floptical isn't much more than a reg HiDen floppy
> drive but the payoffs are great (one floptical per kid can keep them off my
> HardDrive).
> 
> ed casey
> 
> (insert standard disclaimer here)

I have a PLI floptical. This drive can read and write regular HD disks.
But not DD disks. So far, I had no problem sharing HD disks with other
drives. Only problem I had once is that the drive freezed when I 
dragged the disk icon to trash and I had to reboot the Mac. And 
only complain about this is a bit slower than I expected. Otherwise,
this drive is usefull for back up as well as for extra strage. Good luck!

H.Tajima
ht@lns598.tn.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Re: Apple 16-inch vs. Sony CPD1604S???
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:12:30 GMT

In article <1ht6nuINN16s@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Monte Olsen <olsenm@ucs.orst.edu> writes:
>Hi everybody,
>I have a friend who is trying to decide between an Apple 16-inch color
>and the Sony CPD 1604 color monitor to run with her IIci. Which would you
>buy if you could choose and why? Also, can you run the Sony from the IIci
>video without purchasing a video card?
>
>Thanks for any information you can provide.
>
>Monte Olsen
>olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu  or 
>olsenm@ucs.orst.edu

MacUser gave the Sony 1604S its top rating recently. The Apple 16" was
included in the bunch they reviewed. It didn't get very good price/
performance ratings. It's not a multisync monitor, and it costs too 
much. Color is excellent, but value isn't.

The Sony 1604S will run from the ci's on-board video, but it will only
display 640x480 pixels in 8 bit color.

Your friend might want to look at the Radius PrecisionColor 24XP card
to drive the Sony 1604S. It compared very favorably with more expensive
24-bit accelerated graphics cards, and it can be had mail-order for $499.

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From: andyp@treehouse.uucp (Andy Peterman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Which hard drive is the quietest?
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:27:25 GMT
Organization: The Treehouse

In article <1992Dec27.222106@IASTATE.EDU> yhuang@IASTATE.EDU (Yun-Ching 
Huang) writes:
>I plan to buy a internal hard drive about 170 Mb in
>capacity, my major concern is not the speed but the
>noise it may generate.
>Please give me some suggestions about which manufacturor
>, Quntum, Conner, Maxter, etc., makes the quietest hard
>disk. I will use the hard disk in a Mac IIsi.

Get a Maxtor!!  It is by far the quietest drive I've ever owned.  I've had 
one in my Quadra 700 for a year now and you simply cannot hear it during 
normal running When accessing, it only makes a minor "groan" as
compared to much louder "clicking" sounds from others.

APS (800-645-5401) has the 213 meg drives for $499.
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From: parej@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Pare Jerome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Apple's new CD ROM 300i drive external, anybody?
Keywords: CD ROM
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:53:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hello NETers!
First, happy new year to all of you!
I'm about to buy a CD ROM drive.  So I'd like to hear from anyone who have 
tried it if it's really as good as they say it is, if it's as fast as they 
say it is, and if it's really that good a deal (at around $500, if I remember
correctly?).
So if any of you have tried it, please drop me a note.
Thanks a lot!

Jerome.

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From: stevec@apple.com (Steve Christensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: HD spindown
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:20:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Dennis Chamberlin, drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com writes:
>David_A._Schnider@bmug.org writes:
>>I know the Powerbooks can spin down the hard drive to save power, is
there a
>>program that allows the same ot be done with desktops?
>
>Curious why you would want to do this. It would seem to me that HD power
is
>only expensive in relation to battery capacity, but insignificant in
dollars
>and cents at the power meter.


Yes, the main reason for spinning down the hard disk on portables is to
save
power.  The actual power down is done by switching off the hard disk's
power
plane, a feature that isn't available on desktop systems...

steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King)
Subject: Upgrades
Originator: jek5036@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:53:19 GMT

Hi.. only a few more questions about the Classic II:

ICARUS OF THE ASHES (TEMPLE@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU) Writes:
>>Any ideas on changing the CPU crystal?
>
>Doubtful.  It depends on whether Apple was using the chip rated for a higher
>speed and then running it a lower speed.  Apparently, the IIsi and IIci use the
>same 25 Mhz 68030 (cheaper in bulk than buying some 20 Mhz 030s for the IIsi), 
>but drive the CPU at different clockspeeds. Unless you have heard that Apple 
>has done this with its 16 Mhz CPUs, then it is unlikely to be safe.  
>	You can ALWAYS drive a CPU at a faster speed, you know, but 
>it starts to become fairly dangerous unless that chip has actually 
>been rated at that speed.  At the very least, it might not work 
>or you might get garbled instructions.  I suppose much worse
>things are possible, too, like frying the chip itself or the entire
>motherboard.

Is the CPU in the Classic II a 16MHz Chip?  I could open the CPU but I'm
too lazy.. I'm sure 100,000 of you know the answer anyway.

This same person feels that the FPU slot could be used as a PDS slot..
interesting there are no PDS cards for the Classic II.. although the PDS
card would have to be a 16-bit card like in the LC or LC II.

A couple of questions about upgrades:  I hear Apple is releasing a Color
Classic II the February.. Will there be an upgrade package for lowly Classic
II users such as myself?  Would it even be worth it?  Will it support an
external monitor?  Yuk, what a mess.  I wish I had enough money to get
something like to up-and-coming LC III or a Celtris 630 (is that the correct
name?)

Oh yeah.. I also bought a StyleWriter I with the Classic II, and now there is
going to be a StyleWriter II???!? What is the world coming to when you buy
something good one month, then it's obsolete 6 months later?  Any upgrade
options for the StyleWriter?

I know Apple personell read messages here.. could someone send me
the pinouts of the Classic II "FPU" slot?  Thanks if you can..

- Jim
KiCS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:50:14 GMT

tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:

>Certainly, DEC's claims as to the potential awesomeness of Alpha seems about
>an order of magnitude beyond Apple-IBM-Motorola's. Albeit, since both archi-
>tectures will be scalable, the unit cost of chips may be more important than
>the raw power of individual chips by the time any of this becomes important.

I've seen claims that the per unit cost of a PowerPC chip will be around $50
once in full production.  Considering that Motorola knows it has the two
biggest makers of personal computers already behind that chip 100%, they can
go to full production as quickly as possible, without worrying about starting
slowly and later expanding as required by need.  The Alpha currently costs
$3500 each in sample quantities, and I seriously doubt they will get within
an order of magnitude of the PowerPC's price -- maybe they could have come
closer if they know they had the market the PowerPC chip does, but the Alpha
is fabricated with a process much more complex and on the technological
cutting edge than the PowerPC is, so its bound to be more expensive no matter
what.

IBM originally picked the 8088, and Apple the 68000, for their machines.
Neither was the best/fastest CPU available at the time, why is everyone so
concerned about getting the fastest possible CPU now?  I'd rather see a machine
cost $500 - $1000 less and give up some speed (though the 64 bits of the Alpha
chip would be a useful advantage for the future)  If you need something faster
stick four CPUs in the same box -- I'm assuming that IBM and Apple will use
some modern techniques in the development of PowerOpen and Pink, and they
will be able to handle multiple CPUs easily ;-)

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