HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:42:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.143355.12398@ericsson.se> etlanar@slartibartfast.ericsson.se (Alan Arthur) writes:
>In article <18rpbz7d@csv.warwick.ac.uk> csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.193831.17920@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>The there was the UL that for each can of Coors you buy, the company would
>>>purchase a bullet for the KKK.
>>
>>Yeah, and the one about Marlboro being in league with the KKK. Something to do
>>with the colours on the packets, especially those dots (test colours, I always
>>thought) that are hidden until you break the packet up. The rumor went
>>round Cambridge (UK) in 1981-82, and it was amazing how many people bought it,
>>and stopped smoking Marlboro. Of course, they just switched to something
>>else...
>>
>>Later,
>>
>>The Wisp.
>>--
>>     Chris Williams <csuah@uk.ac.warwick.csv> aka <csuah@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
>
>
>I thought the Marlboro story was based around the fact that you can (dubiously)
>find three K's on the standard cardboard packet (doesn't work on softpack).
>
>The red and white patterns do (sort of) make K's, and there is one on the front,
>one on the back, and one on the bottom...
>
>  ============         ============
>  =====  =====         =====  =====
>  ====    ==== ---->   ====    ====
>  ===------===         ===      ===
>  ==        ==         ==        ==
>  =    oo    =         =          =
>  =          =
>  = MARLBORO =
>  =          =
>  =          =
>  =          =
>  ============
>

Just demonstrates the point, doesn't it? You hear one version, I hear another,
doubtless there are hundreds fo others rolling around too...

ObUL: Marlboro *did* release a three-sided cigarette...

The Wisp.
-- 
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"Tony Greig in the slips, legs apart, waiting for a tickle"
                                      Brian Johnson (thanks to A. Simha 8^>)
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Just One Calorie...?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:09:50 GMT

In article <mcirvin.715035613@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
>dternes@duke.cdc.com (David Ternes) writes:
>
>>Did Tab bite it during the days when mice mainlined saccharin?
>
>I think you can still find it if you look hard enough.  Whether it
>has the same composition it used to, I don't know.  It's odd that the
>Coca-Cola company would continue producing it, but I suppose enough
>of a market is there.  I think they still make New Coke too, and
>sell some.
>
>-- 
>Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA 
Tab is out there, and New Coke is now known as COKE II, so they can start
phasing in the name COKE and COCA-COLA to mean what it used to.

cjl  (But what ever happened to Tab flavors like Ginger ale, cherry, lemon,
and orange?  There were even modified Tab commercials that included the
words (tab cola) to reinforce the original tab as a diet cola.  In the US, 
TAB was (is) a mixture of Nutrisweet and Saccharin, while in Canada, it's
Nutrisweet only)


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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Food for Ought (was: Pencil in Priorities
Keywords: still in the building  
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 19:40:59 GMT
Organization: The Fighting Thundercats

Ellyn Sandor writes:
>joslin_paul@ae.ge.com writes:
>>The same professor claimed that only two drugs of that time period were
>>still used today for the same illnesses - quinine and digitalis. I doubt
>>this, but can't think of a counter-example except opium/morphine.
>
>	Aspirin, perhaps, is another example, it's been around for a while.
>
And chicken noodle soup. Very good at treating the cold. And garlic,
olive oil and wine are very good at making heart disease less onerous.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Write when you get the chance. 
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Love love can turn Jekylls into Hydes
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:57:48 GMT

From misc.legal,soc.men,soc.women,soc.couples, and alt.dads-rights.  (!)

In article <1992Aug24.024614.844@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>Source: USA Today, Friday, August 21, 1992
>
>Breaking up hurts some `in such a fundamental way, they get crazy'
>
>By Karen S. Peterson
>[...]
>Is it normal to go this wacko when relationships crack?
>[...]
>The "stuff you see in soap operas is tame compared to what people
>really do to each other," says Lynne Z. Gold-Bikin of Norristown Pa.
>Chainsaws seem to be the weapon of choice.  She recalls a beleaguered
>man disgusted with the concept of joint property.  "He took a chainsaw
>and started to cut the car in half, and then he switched to the house."
>
>Surely she jests.
>
>"No!  You could not make this stuff up."
>
>She also recalls a huge battle over access to a safe-deposit box.
>"When the wife got a court order to open it, there was a pile of manure
>waiting."
>
>A much-used weapon, that.  Ken Raggio remembers "a husband who bought
>his mistress a car.  The couple then gets divorced.  And the wife finds
>that car and dumps manure in it."

(Shades of Brunvand's cement-truck/convertible story, no?)

>[...]
>Gold-Bikin also knows of a woman who held a yard sale to peddle her
>about-to-be ex's most precious stuff.  "She sold his golf clubs out
>from under him.  What people do is unbelievable.  They are very
>creative."
-- 
             ......................................................
             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: apples to teachers - idea why
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:12:27 GMT

In article <BtFA6L.E45@egsner.cirr.com> datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>"What? Over? Did you say it's over? Nothing's over, till we decide it is! 
>> Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" --John Belushi
>
>Bill Murray.

John Belushi.

-- 
"What? Over? Did you say it's over? Nothing's over, till we decide it is! 
 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" --John Belushi
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From: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: The Flat Earth Society???
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:12:02 GMT

In article <l9sq6jINNijt@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM remonstrates:
>
>And Phil, it ill-behooves you to make up anecdotes.  "Seattle on a
>sunny [...] day" -- as sarcasm, it works; but as scientific evidence,
>it leaves much to be desired.
>
I may post with my tounge in my cheek, but I don't post apocrypha to
a.f.u.  The one time I was in Seattle (June '86, flogging workstations
to a famous aircraft maker) the weather was stone gorgeous.  There
was a lot of water around, gazillions of trees, and a big old volcano
watching over everything.  All the restaurants had reasonably priced
salmon.  The temperature meandered into the high 70's(F), which the
locals considered a heat wave.  And it was light at 10:00 PM.

So, from personal experience, it doesn't rain in Seattle.  Second-hand
data, however, suggests it gets a bit drippy there sometimes: I
believe that data.

Phil "Didn't Occam leave a razor around someplace?" Gustafson


-- 
|play: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG; {ames|pyramid|vsi1}!zorch!phil                |
|work: (Under Construction)              | Phil Gustafson                   |
|         "Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile."                     |
From: thompson@cuug.ab.ca (Bruce Thompson 272-1800(w) or 229-3370(h))
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Imponderables (Yawn)
Date: 24 Aug 92 06:32:34 GMT
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group

The explanation that I heard for why yanwing is contagious came from a
Calgary Zoo employee when I was on a tour. We had just passed a
display with a troup of primates (I cannot remember which specific
primates) and the dominant male raced out and yawned at us (no, I'm
not kidding) a large number of us yawned back automatically, and
Leslie Anne explained that among primates yawning is, among other
things, an indication of dominance or aggreesion.

	Cheers,
	Bruce.
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From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath)
Subject: Re: The Flat Earth Society???
Summary: Not a hoax, UL, or figment of someone's imagination
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.113121.14999@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>A friend tells me of a rumour that there exists an organization known as The
>Flat Earth Society, whose members "still" believe that the earth is actually
>flat, in the ancient tradition.
>
>I find this hard to believe.  Why would they form an organization?  Why would
>they believe that the earth is flat?  Why would they care about it so
>strongly?

A friend of mine (FOM) is a member, and has the certificate hanging
on his wall to prove it.  He says there are two types of members:
the kooky-and-they-really-believe-the-earth-is-flat member, and
the I-don't-care-if-it-is-flat-or-not-but-they-have-cool-certificates
member.  He is of the latter variety.  BTW, the society is still
going strong.


--
    Ian Neath, PhD     | There are four kinds of people in this world:
neath@psych.purdue.edu | cretins, fools, morons and lunatics - U. Eco
From: jrs@zippy.unet.com (John Switzer Frame 3.0)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Counterfeiting
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:12:24 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <25849@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>>> I'm under the understanding that nothing smaller than $20 bills gets
>>> counterfeited because it simply doesn't pay.
>
>The proliferation of change and vending machines that accept paper 
>money might make traditional counterfeiting obsolete.  Those machines
>quite probably don't examine more than a small subset of a bill's
>characteristics (though there might be multiple configurations set
>at random), and certainly they wouldn't be as discerning about
>appearance and feel as a human.  Sooner or later -- if it hasn't 
>happened already -- some technically adept junior entrepreneur will 
>figure out how to hack them.

A couple of years ago in Santa Barbara police arrested a couple of 
juveniles who were using the high-quality copier at their father's
place of business to run off counterfeit one-dollar bills. They then
took these bills to a local laundramat change machine and got quarters
for them (and then off the local arcade, one imagines).

At the time I remember thinking how strange it was, because the copier
wasn't a color one - I guess that guy's change machine didn't know the
difference.
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From: reay@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Robert Reay)
Subject: Re: Counterfeiting
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.012336.26921@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I'm under the understanding that nothing smaller than $20 bills gets
>counterfeited because it simply doesn't pay.
>
    Not true.  Just yesterday I was shown a very good counterfeit $1.  I do have
to say that if I could get that quality, I would go for twenties.

			-Rob
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Abandoned/Booby Trapped Aircraft hangars
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:15:43 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>This may sound weird, but this kind of thing happen about
>2 to 3 times a years (although not always in an inner city, and on the
>country the press doesn't always take big notice of it).

Actually, American newspapers often pick up this sort of thing from
the wire services when they need to fill up a bit of white space. I
read about it a few times a year.

Just last weekend a fishing boat off the California coast -- Bodega
Bay, I think -- snagged a torpid torpedo that was fired, lost, or
whatever in WW II.  The crew was taken off the boat and the Navy 
detonated the torpedo safely.  People find corroded WW II garbage 
in the darnedest places, some of it still live.  Even WW I stuff 
turns up occasionally, though much more rarely (aerial bombing
greatly increased the problem).

There are even a few American nukes out there, plus God knows what
all the Former Sovies lost, although I'd imagine that it's all in
profoundly inaccessible places, such as the abyssal bottom, and much
the worse for wear.  Somehow an H-bomb under 10 000 feet of water is
a lot less worrisome than a corroded 500-pounder in the cellar!

Joe "Woops!  Sorry, kids -- no ping-pong in the basement today!" Chew
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Subject: Re: Counterfeiting
From: rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher)
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:16:50 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <25849@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:

[really long (but interesting) story deleted]
>
>Understandable.  Making queer $1 bills outranks even sticking up a 7-11
>in the annals of chump-change felonies.  (Yep... a felony regardless of
>the amount of pseudomoney involved.  An automatic Federal case, in fact, 
>and plenty of idle hours in the penitentiary to refine your next caper.) 
>But nobody on AFU needs a reminder of the staggering breadth and depth
>of human stupidity...
>
>Joe "Don't take any wooden nickels" Chew

   I read recently (in National Lampoons' True Facts, which are articles sent in from actual newspapers) that a counterfeiter in Poland printed several
million phony Polish zlotys. There were enough bills printed to fill a
train boxcar. The only problem was that the total value of the bills (if
they had been real) was only about $50.

	...Jean-Marc "Brother, can you spare a zloty?" Rocher
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:10:21 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Abandoned/Booby Trapped Aircraft hangars
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>As I understand it, the Arizona is *still* leaking fuel | oil.

Well, at least it was in 1981.

And the ranger I chatted with at the monument only gets asked 52
gazillion times a day, ``Is that coming from the ship?''

(The other popular question is, ``Are the bodies really down there?'' 
He, of course, would politely answer the question instead of saying,
``Hey, stupid, can't you read the *signs* all around here telling you
the histroy of the ship?''  That's why he's a ranger and I'm not.)

ObUL: There is a scream at the end of the song ``Roller Coaster'' 
      (a non-memorable disco song from the 70s by someone whose name I
      don't remember) which is the scream of a woman who was murdered
      during the recording of the song. 

-- 
Geoff Allen          \ It's an art, a craft, a science and, perhaps most of
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \ all, a damnable obsession.  But a most fulfilling one.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \      -- Barry Sherman on photography
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: North Pole 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:05:41 GMT

>This is hard to say.  Farley Mowley is among those supporting Cook
>(Mowley has a 3 volume set of books on Arctic exploration)

Ah Typo, thanks Mark.  That's supposed to be Mowat.

Time to leave again. 'u'

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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From: grimjack@milton.u.washington.edu (Leslie Basel)
Subject: Re: Cellular Frequencies
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:13:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.101559.20586@panix.com> eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
>In <g9yeie2@Unify.Com>, perry@Unify.Com sez:
>>Is it illegal to listen to one's neighbor's cordless phone?
>
>No and maybe, depending on which state you live in.  It is NOT a
>violation of federal law, as Title III expressly excludes cordless
>transmissions from the coverage of the federal anti-interception
>statutes. 
>
>Here in NY, it's a crime under state law.
>
 (could be a) ObUL:
When those phones first hit town (here in Seattle and elsewhere, I am sure)
there were a limited number of channels available; if you wanted to eavesdrop
you just drove around till you heard a conversation on your handset.
Well if you got a dial tone -- you could call anywhere in the world for free.

sigh
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Subject: Re: Steel Pennies (was Re: You are humble and loveable.  CHOMP!)
From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:16:57 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher) writes:

>In article <l9ku3jINN7ge@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>I'm pretty sure that there were a series of chrome pennies (or cents)
>>minted in Canada (or the US) around 1943, due to copper shortages.  Are
>>you sure it wasn't one of these you saw?
>
>They were steel and not chromed.  I recall they were minted in the US during
>World War II during a copper shortage.  They're still quite common in coins
>shops.

Yep.  I have several at home, given to me by my parents.  I think the dates
on all of them are 1943 and 1944.

And no, they're not worth much except as curiosities.

ObFact:  silver money has a very different "jingle" than copper/nickel
(surprise!).  Recently I received change at a store, but something sounded
funny when the clerk handed it to me.  I examined the coins, and discovered
one solid silver quarter mixed in!   Needless to say, it's now in my "keeper
money" jar at home, along with buffalo nickels, foreign stuff, more silver
coins, and other oddities.

No wonder they use silver for some types of bells...really a pleasant sound!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dick "tin ear" Joltes					joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet 
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
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From: berry@athos.pei.com (Berry Kercheval)
Subject: Re: Why crescent moons? (was Re: You are humble and loveable. CHOMP!)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Reply-To: berry@pei.com
Organization: Protocol Engines, Inc., Mt. View, California
	<BtM1My.CHy@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:34:21 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 22:42:00 GMT, ptyaxel@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Seymour Axelrod) said:
Seymour> Backwards?  Aren't waxing crescents concave to the left, and
Seymour> waning ones concave to the right?  Or is the point that
Seymour> "crescent" literally means "growing", i.e., waxing?  Or what?

Lovers of trivia will be interested to know that the heraldic crescent
is invariably shown with the points or 'horns' facing up.  It is
thought to have been introduced into Western Armory by crusaders
returning from Turkey.  
  When a crescent is shown facing to the left (or to the dexter side
of the shield; heraldic directions are relative to the person holding
the shield) it is called an *increscent*; when facing to the right (or
sinister) it is called a *decrescent*.  Sometimes these are referred
to as "the moon in her {in,de}crement". 
Source: "A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry" by James Parker.
Charles E Tuttle Co, Inc, Rutland Vermont (1970 reprint of 1894 work)

  --berry
--
Berry Kercheval :: berry@pei.com :: Protocol Engines, Inc.  Mt. View, CA
"Car pool fatigue: it's like shell shock, but you don't get any VA benefits.
They just fill your gas tank and send you back to the front."
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From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Whither Manhattan? (was Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:52:18 GMT

sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>since the World Trade Center was not "in" North America, but "on an island off
>the coast of North America."  Smartass.

Surely North America is the general region, and not merely the main island.
Would Asimov claim that the continental United States (or whatever the term is
for the 48 states other than Alaska and Hawaii, plus Washington D.C.) is not
in North America?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.drugs
From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:59:12 GMT


>	1) Dope + alcohol will get the drinker/smoker more hammered 
>than either one alone.

It can also get the user totally killed.  Me, I'll probably just use a gun.

From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:03:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Brooklyn Piers (was Re: Whither Manhattan? (was Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?))
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban

I prefer "Dope will get you through times of no money better than money
will get you through times of no dope." :-)
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Imponderables
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:42:01 GMT
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <1992Aug19.092700.1232@guvax.georgetown.edu> dtalmage@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>>  -- Washington D.C. streets are named alphabetically;  why is there
>>     no J street?

>Gee, in a class on English Phonology, I learned it was because the 
>letter J hadn't made it into common usage in the English alphabet.   

Gee, how did Tom Iefferson spell his name?  When he wrote his initials
on his iournal, did he infringe a calculator-maker's turf?  Was his
fight for freedom partially influenced by memory of bad King Iohn?

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
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From: mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance)
Subject: Re: Taking Your Sports Seriously
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:59:26 GMT

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:

>El Salvador and Honduras once fought a war over a disputed soccer
>game.  (Actually, the game was an excuse for the countries to fight
>over disputed stretches of forest.)  Just out of curiousity, have any
>other wars been fought over sports matches?  Or is soccer the only
>sport to have inspired so much loyalty in its fans?

My wife has a T-shirt that has a couple of figures from the Bayueax
Tapestry on it, with the words "Hastings 1066" above and "Normans: 1,
Saxons: 0" below.  I tell folks that it was the first European Cup
finals; they've just refined the rules a little since then. 8-)

Michael A. Chance
St. Louis, Missouri, USA