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From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Gino Who???
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:58:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan2.204030.20719@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>	Congratulations to Alabama for dominating Miami and for demonstrating
>how ordinary a QB Gino Toretta is. It brought back pleasant memories of a Sugar
>Bowl about 7 years ago when Tennessee whipped Miami. Also the really poor
>performance by Vinnie Testicleverde against Penn State. Maybe the mighty Canes
>should stick to playing bowl games on their home field!!!

Absolutely!  what is it? 50 games in a row at home?  If GT is such an ordinary
QB like the nfl and most of us believe, How did he get this far?
It must be the rest of the team that got him the heisman.  Question is, where
were they on Jan 1, 1993 ???????
Alabama stomped em!  That's where there were!  This years heisman trophy goes
to the Alabama Defense.  Well it should anyway.  Where was the heart?  The
will to win?  I saw a few bodies flying around violently but the thing I 
remember is the Miami defense getting pushed around and GT looking nonchalant
about the whole deal.  He must have thought that he had it all wrapped up 
before it happened.  I hope he doesn't get picked in the draft, it would
serve him right.  But alas, he will probably go to some losing team with a
lot of draft picks and ride their backs to fame and fortune.  When I think of
GT I think of Rypien riding the Redskins backs to a super bowl.  

This whole deal tastes like bosworth soup!

If I seem a little harsh on GT it's cause I lost money.
But I still stand the same, I just would've said it a little nicer.
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Some news from the Northwest
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:21:22 GMT


Some general news from Seattle and Pullman:

Don James got a "routine/automatic" contract extension by Athletic Director
Barbara Hedges.  The new contract will take him through 1996.  

Also, Mark Brunell (UW QB), Shaumbe Wright-Faire (WSU RB), and James Clifford
(UW ILB) have all been invited to play for the west team in the Japan Bowl.

More later,

-Behzad

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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--rankings by conference
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:34 EST  

In article <C0LJCv.32@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, xx10645@cehp15 (Xiaocun Xu) writes...
>acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
> 
> 
>>Big 8				WAC
>>-----				---
>>90 Missouri	.54		68 Utah St		.83
> 
>Is Utah St. in WAC?  They play Utah and BYU every year, but I don't
>think they are in WAC, at least until last year.  Did they join
>WAC the same time with Fresno St.?
>

No.  My mistake.  As someone pointed out by E-mail, I had swapped Utah St 
and UTEP between the Big West and the WAC.  This will make the WAC a little 
weaker and the BW a little stronger.  I'll post updated avgs. tomorrow.
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From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Citrus Bowl thoughts
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:59:20 GMT

In article 18390@berlioz.nsc.com, CEXHSC@TEVM2.NSC.COM (Eric Huang) writes:
>Well, as long as that bullethead Cooper is still head coach,
>you'll just keep getting disappointed.
>
>Go Blue!
>
>wkh

And as long as tOSU President Gordon Geek keeps thinking a tie is a win, Cooper
will remain head coach.  This year's tie with Michigan was "One of the greatest
victories in ohio State history," according to him.

Doug Brod
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:42:59 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) wrote:
>
>Just a bread for thoughts:  You cannot simply use no. of bowl wins to
>determine which conference is the toughest/best.  

That's absolutely right.  It hasn't stopped the PAC-10 woofers from
doing it in the past, of course, but it's the truth.  So what
say we look at who the leagues were playing in addition to
what their records were:

Rose: #7 Michigan vs. #9 Washington
Blockbuster: #13 Stanford vs. #21 Penn State
Copper: #18 Washington State vs. UN Utah
Hancock: #22 Arizona vs. UN Baylor
Freedom: #23 Southern Cal vs. UN Fresno State
Independence: UN Oregon vs. UN Wake Forest

(Numbers are pre-bowl rankings.)  

Against this anemic set of opponents, the PAC-10 went a dismal
2-4.  In fact, before the bowl games I wrote:

}With all the complaining we've been hearing about the PAC-10 being 
}underrated by the polls, the conference needs to go 5-1 just to 
}justify the current ranking levels.  Anything less will suggest 
}that the league is in fact *overrated* by the polls, and nothing 
}short of 6-0 would back up the underrated claim.

Whoops!  The 2-4 record certainly goes a long way towards suggesting
that the conference was *way overrated*.  And the 2 wins were a
squeaker over Utah (the Utes had the ball 5 yards away from the
winning TD late in the game but couldn't score) and a blowout of
perhaps the most overrated team of the year (and I only say perhaps
because of Miami.)

From the same article:

}Let's take this a step further and look at all the conferences.
}Define a poll favorite as a team rated more than 5 places higher 
}than its opponent (or any ranked team playing an unranked team).
}Define games involving teams closer than 5 places to be tossups.
}Assume all favorites win and all tossups are split 50-50 between
}wins and losses (with a tie in the case of odd numbers of games.)
}Then the AP poll would guess the following results for each league:

[Adding in the actual performance of each league:]

           Poll                    Actual
           Pred
========================================================
}PAC-10:   5-1		83%        2-4
}ACC:	   2-1-1	62%        3-1
}SEC:	   3-2-1	58%        5-1
}Big East: 1-1-1	50%        1-2
}Big Ten:  1-2		33%        1-2
}WAC:	   1-3-1	30%        2-3
}Indies:   0-1-1	25%        1-1
}SWC:	   0-1-1	25%        1-1
}Big 8:	   0-2-1	17%        1-2

The bowl results would tend to indicate that the PAC-10 was
way overrated by the polls and the SEC was underrated.

}                                                  Say, may be a
}conference which having 6 teams in bowl games and win 5 of
}them because most of them are playing nobody in these bowl games.

Yes, but there was no such conference this year.  Had the PAC-10
won 5 of 6 we could have said this, but they didn't.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: record comeback
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:53:10 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

It has been widely reported that Frank Reich has now led the greatest
comebacks in both NFL, and NCAA history.


I thought that Maryland's back from 31 - Zip  versus Miami
in 1984 was a record at the time, but that it had since been eclipsed.


Does anyone know of any greater comebacks in college football?

Perhaps Reich still has the record if you only count Division 1-AA. 
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Did that really just happen? (was Re: Feeding a blowhard . . .)
Keywords: One of the "J's"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:54:52 GMT

Guy McConnell writes:

>Ask Lamar "Loudmouth" Thomas who had two big fumbles.  He was run down *from
>behind* and robbed of the ball, like taking candy from a baby.  As long as he
>lives, no matter what else he accomplishes, he'll *never* forget that one.

In all honesty, that play was perhaps the most spectacular I have ever seen a 
defender make in college football.  First, iwas amazed that teague even caught 
up with Thomas, but then to simply strip him of the ball and still have his 
ballance and the strength to reverse dirrection and keep running.  Too bad it 
was all called back on the penalty.  But in the long run, Alabama wound up in a
better possition as a result of the penalty since the defense stopped Miami 
(Fl.) in their tracks anyhow and forced the punt.  It was that kind of game for
Alabama - even when they screwed up a BIG play with a penalty, they still came 
out ahead.

Congrats to the Tide on a fine season and a well-deserved championship!

     - Pat
-- 
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- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:52:43 GMT
Organization: .

(I R A Aggie) writes:
>
>> Say, if you all have good recipes for gator meat, send some of them
>> down to Tallahassee.  Seems we have quite a bit of Gator meat on hand
>> too!  :-)
>
>It's my understanding that the LSEAUX feauxlks serve a blackened Gator.
>And you can get Gator-on-a-stick in Nawlins.

Gator-on-a-stick.  True.  But what in Sam Hill is L.S.O.?

--J.J.
(LA School of Okra?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Big East Review: RUTGERS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:36:16 GMT


Elvis' birthday and the Rutgers Review on the same day.  It
doesn't get better than this.   See you at the Post Office.



Resurgence at Rutgers.

1992 was the third year for Coach Doug Graber, and showed consistent
improvement.  Taking over a program that had been run into the ground,
Graber produced a 2-9 record his first year, using an inordinate number
of pure freshmen he had recruited at a moment's notice.  Graber promised
his first class they would go to a bowl; this year was almost - next
year is the last chance for those players.


             1992*  1991*   1990*   1989    1988    1987   1986
Rutgers      7-4    6-5     3-8     2-7-2   5-6     6-5    5-5-1

* The Doug Graber years (16-17).


On the bright side:

1. RU defeated West Virginia AND Pitt in the same season.
This represents a significant stride in the program.

2. RU went 4-2 in the Big East.  Given the fairly high power rating
of the conference, 4-2 is indicative of a program to be reckoned with.

3. Freshman running back Bruce Presley was named the Big East (and ECAC)
Rookie of the year.

4. The last-second win over Virginia Tech showed the team's ability
to win games in "crunch time."  One of the most thrilling victories
since RU 6, Princeton 4 (in 1869).


On the other side:

1. A last-second loss to a lowly Cincinnati team showed RU has
not arrived.  Getting there, maybe.  Arrived, no.

2. Blowout losses to Syracuse and Penn State underlined that RU
is not a threat to anybody's top 25 poll.

3. The Independence' Bowl snub of RU for a 6-5 Oregon team
showed the lack of regard for RU's fan base.

-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:59:57 GMT

In article <BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>   In article <1993Jan5.144901.14753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>   >Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin
>
>   *SIGH* We'll miss him.
>
>   >Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
>   >that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of
>
>   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.
>
>Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
>strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
>Who is left?

What, you're kidding right? Bama has LOADS of talent just waiting to kick
some butt...yeah, that's it. And their recruting class....OUCH...there will
be at LEAST 4 freshmen who will start for the Tide...yeah...and they will
all be named first team all-americans too. 

ROLL TIDE....get that #1 pre-season ranking (hey, anyone but FSU)

>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:28:59 GMT
Organization: .

(Guy McConnell) writes:
>(Mark Mitchell) writes:
>|> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) wrote:
>|> }
>|> }That concludes todays meeting of BA.  Refreshments consisting of iced
>|> }tea, craw-dads, and sugar-Cane stew are available at the back of the
>|> }room.  Ya'll come back, now! :-)
>|> 
>|> Would that be sweetened or unsweetened iced tea?
>
>    "No Sugar tonight in my coffee, no Sugar tonight in my tea!"
>						--Whatshisname
						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
						   (Valdis?)

     Hmmmm.  Muss be "the new Mother Nature takin' over."
                       ( i.e., no hurricanes in the forecast! )

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From: gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (Bin Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:55:42 GMT
Organization: Cracker Barrel

In article <79058@hydra.gatech.EDU> (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>The silence from the net.blowhards is nearly deafening. 

I guess Encore lost their newsfeed huh?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Smiley instructions:  Was Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:45:20 GMT

Cliff Slaughterbeck writes:

>C'mon Bob, the 8 for eyes means you're toolin' around with sunglasses.  Plus,
>you can also do things the other way, like this  (-8b.
>Also, the cap can go upside down this way, ala a catcher  (-8P

Oh yeah?  Well, I can make my smileys however I like! :-Q
(And beware of second hand smiley smoke!)

     - Pat
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: tOSU underclassmen in the draft
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:25:53


Mark Atchison writes:

> All local media is reporting that Ohio State will lose two underclassmen to
> the NFL draft this week.  More or less as expected, third year sophomore Robert
> Smith (running back) and fourth year junior Roger Harper (safety) will forego
> the remainder of their collegiate eligibility.

This really surprises me, maybe it shouldn't.  Robert Smith has said over
and over that medical school is what he's aiming for & although he enjoys
playing football, he wouldn't let it get in the way of his academic goals.
Now, he's ready to leave school early?  Either he's had a huge shift in his
personal goals or he just can't stand being in Columbus anymore.

Both losses would hurt OSU tremendously next year.  While OSU is loaded at
running back, the early games this year showed that that there's a pretty
significant difference between Robert Smith & the rest.  Roger Harper has
been a great DB & his shoes will be no less difficult to fill.


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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:40:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.143832.891@b8.b8.ingr.com> witek@b8.b8.ingr.com (Vic Witek) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.224740.16462@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250) writes:
>> No, Florida does not import its football talent. The only article
>> I've ever seen on football demographics made the point that FL and CA
>> were the two major exporters of football players to the rest of the 
>> country. With California, one could account for it by saying they
>> have the largest pool of potential players, but it leaves Florida's
>> standing mysterious.
>> 
>> -ceh
>>   
>
>If Florida doesn't import its football talent, why are the starting
>quarterbacks for UF,FSU and UM from Mississippi, Georgia and California?
                     ^^^                          ^^^^^^^

Let me let you in on a little secret, Florida has annexed most of south GA.
and a good chunk of Atlanta as well, so your argument is moot. (Believe me on
this, half of the people at FSU are either from south georgia or Atlanta...
go figure).

>Kind of makes you wonder. 


Kevin ;)
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:01:31 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <C0Er8u.77n@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>Hi.  Wow, what an exiting game that was!  Their is no doubt that Alabama
>>is the
>>best team in college football this year.
>>My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?
>>GT
>
>Probably for the same reason Bama's is an elephant !!!    :-)

 
I didn't know that the elephant was the first to run away when the tide comes
in and the last to return when the tide goes out.
 
- goober (what's the name of that damn bird anyways) smith
From: ron_frank.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Florida IS the College Football State!
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:34:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems

There is a lot of discussion on who the college football state is.  Let the
statistics show that, of recent, it has been and still is the state of
Florida!  This year's results - having all three of the colleges in the top
ten - demonstrates this.  Miami and FSU have been found in the top five in
the past several years.  Both of these teams play against each other each
year.  Florida won the SEC last year, and came close this year against
Alabama. It too must play FSU each year.  Miami won the Big East (no big
feat - save Syracuse), FSU won the ACC (the four ACC teams in the bowls
this year went 3-1), and Florida was runner-up in the SEC (Alabama:
National Champs, and the SEC went 5-1 in their bowl games).  In fact, the
bowl losses for the ACC and SEC were against each other!

The fact that Texas and California export more high school football players
than Florida proves that there are a lot of good high school players in
those states,  but not college players!!  Look at the win/loss percentage
of Texas and California colleges versus Florida colleges.  How did the Pac
Ten and the SWC do in their respective bowls this year?  It may shed some
light!

I am sorry that some of us out here in NetLand don't have access to Texas
newspapers.  Regardless, a bit of bias is expected.

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:24:01 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) wrote:
}
}>The crowd has very little to do with it.  Forget about silly
}	       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
}If you believe this, you've never been to an intense sports event.

Let's see ... I have been to an intense sports event, so the 
conclusion of your statement is false.  Therefore to make it
a true statement the premise must be false as well.  So you're
saying I don't really believe what I wrote?  I'm a liar?

I of course could be wrong.  However, it could also be that 
some people who attend "intense sports events" tend to overvalue
their own contribution to the outcome.  Those guys on the field
are the ones who spill their guts and determine the outcome 
of the game - the contribution of the crowd is incredibly
overrated.

}Part of the "familiar playing conditions" IS the crowd.  Not that I
}agree with the analogies from pro sports, but don't you think fans
}waving things in front of you when you're taking a free-throw is 
}distracting?

I doubt it is as significant as lighting and floor surface and the
general uncomfortableness of an unfamiliar arena.  Tell you what,
instead of making completely unfounded postulations, why not
do a little survey and *see* what the effects are.  Look at the
free throw shooting percentage of college basketball teams (1) at home,
(2) on the road, at arenas with fans behind the goal, and (3) on the
road, at arenas without fans behind the goal.  You'll probably
find some differences, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the
difference between (2) and (3) is negligible.

}Gene Stallings also didn't play IN the game.  I would trust the 
}players' comments about the Sugar-Bowl-home-field-advantage-issue
}more than his. 

Fine - and I'd trust neither of them any more than the other,
because neither has made any more effort to understand what really
contributes to the home field advantage than you have.

}        If he were to say, "Oh, yeah, it's like playing home," do
}you think the SEC would recommend keeping the championship game
}there?)

I most certainly do.  As long as Birmingham is guaranteeing a $7 million
gate (about $2 million more than anyone else offered) the SEC doesn't
give a rat's ass whose home field it is.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
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