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From: paula@prc.unisys.com (Paula Matuszek)
Subject:  Cute things they say (17)
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:16:01 GMT


From my 17-year-old, who didn't feel well last night and came in to my
bedroom for a snuggle:

"It was definitely a lose for mommies to give up fur!"

Anyone want to sacrifice for their children and grow a pelt :-)

--Paula
  paula@prc.unisys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when...
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:41:16 GMT

I thought of this thread the other day when I found myself saying,

"No, no, let's not put the drill in you nose."


-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
From: valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea)
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 05:56:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom Communications, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Apr6.155520.22401@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>Yes! Another offensive post by Eric Lee Green. It seems like whenever I see
>his name on a post I can expect it to be mean spirited. In the last few weeks
>...
>Am I alone in feeling this way?

I have no doubt that you are not the only one, but I certainly hope that you
are in the underwhelming minoroty.

Most of the people here debate issues, and justify their point of view with

	"I have several children, therefore I know how to treat children."

Not all of us are telepathic; not all of us can determine our effects on
children by just looking at them. Therefore some of us have a more enlightened
approach to analyzing parental behavior, and we justify our opinions with

	"I remember what worked with me when I was a child, and know how I
	 would have liked to be treated, therefore I know how to treat
	 children."

Eric Lee Green on the other hand is breath of fresh air, as he seems the only
one on the net to exclude his personal superficial perceptions, and submit
opinions that can be summerized by

	"I heave read and analyzed the research, therefore I know how to treat
	 children."

It is irrelevant whether the statement of facts and probabilites are offensive
to some readers or not. If they are, then we cannot retreat into a fantasy
world, for fear of offending someone.

Hopefully, personal attacks will not scare Eric away from correcting our
misguided impressions and beliefs. He continues to be my favorite author of
news on both misc.kids and misc.education, and look forward to his next
poster. We are all mature readers on this newsgroup and will not fall into an
irreversible depression, emotional unstability or hopeless fear and guilt,
simply by reading the opinions of another individual.

Whenever I see an article that I am not interested in, an article that I
consider irrelevant or erroneous, I merely press 'n' to skip it.

Is this feature not available on your news reader?

Valentin
-- 
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 is an operating system without virtue."         Phone:     (408) 985-1700
                                                 Usenet:    netcom!valentin
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From: davem@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:31:26 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Apr13.205032.907176@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <4804@umriscc.isc.umr.edu> davem@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis) writes:
>>
>>We CHOSE each other, to spend an entire lifetime together. Tell me why
>>it's catagorically impossible for me to choose a baby sitter with the
>>same care.
>
>Well, if you're going to spend as long getting to know a babysitter as you
>did getting to know your wife, and if your baby sitter is willing to sign a
>contract saying she won't quit in 6 mos. because she met this great guy or
>found this terrific new job or is being deported, no reason at all.
>
> [ deleted by davem for brevity ... ]

You still haven't answered my question. You haven't told me why I CAN'T
do as well in screening a baby sitter as a wife. You've fallen back on the
same old arguments that indicate STATISTICALLY one MIGHT be better off
taking your position   **** IF ****   there's only one choice as to how to
run all families. 

Option 1: We ALL do as Judy says and stay home.

Option 2: We kick in Judy's door and make Judy and Ron both leave for work.


To answer the above:

I know people who took months, even years to get to know somebody and then
got married, only to be divorced shortly after marriage.

Conversely, the first time I got a chance to talk to Doyla one on one
we talked for about 3 hours straight. By the time we finished, I knew
we would be married. 3 years later, we were. And there's never been any
doubt in my mind we'd always be married.

As for contracts, neither my wife or I signed one with each other.
I know what my baby sitter's situation is. She's as likely to
be available for Dava for the next 3-4 years as Doyla / I are.

What it comes down to is this:


As long as you've been on this newsgroup, I'd think you'd have some concept
as to what YMMV means!



  -- davem@cs.umr.edu  (Dave Mentis)
From: mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SEQUENT V2.0)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: La Leche League
Keywords: leche league
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:53:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.205321.20700
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Is there anyone in thise newsgroup that is involved with or knows of La Leche
League?  Had though about coming back from this weekend and posting some
information regarding this organisation, however, in my old age, I seem to
have forgotten to request information from my mother.  

All in all, a neat group.  My mother has been involved since before I was
born, and I am the oldest of 4 children in my family.  THe only drawback  tha
I can see about having a mother in La Leche League is that as a child, I
never got to grow up with mounds of sugar coated cereal nor were we allowed
to have any type of candy bars or other such sweets.  I guess things turned
out alright, considering that in 19 years of live, I have only had 1 cavity.
Good ol' mom...


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From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Six YO "Meany"
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:05:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: uc.1992Apr11.200556.28012
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

Perhaps clarification would be helpful for the article I posted yesterday
regarding my six year old "Meany".  Christopher is a bright child who has a
background that is mightier than all of his meanness.  Perhaps if I share
some of this with you someone can help me out with this child.

Christopher is the middle child born to my husband and his previous (first)
wife.  All three of them are boys.  All three boys came to live with us 
three years ago because the court ordered it.  You see, their mother is
mentally ill.  Christopher was probably the closest to his "Mom" however
there is also a chance that he was abused by her and one of her boyfriends.
She has little contact with the children and that is both good and bad.

We have had Christopher in counseling for the first two years he was with us
and only recently stopped due to financial reasons.  Now Chris liked his
psychologist and felt bad when he stopped seeing him.  However, lately he
has said that he doesn't miss him anymore.  

My husband and I made the mistake of being very lenient with all the boys
when they first came to live with us - due to the fact that they had been
abused (physically, mentally, and maybe sexually by the boyfriend).  Now
we have realized that our leniency (sp?) probably caused some of the problems
we are now experiencing.  We use time-outs as physical punishment of any
kind is TOTALLY OUT OF THE QUESTION!  Due to the background.  

Christopher is a bright child, excels at school, and wins the hearts of
the hardest people.  He is honest to a fault.  He does however suffer from
this physical violence stuff - AS i mentioned yesterday.  Obviously it is
some kind of repressed anger or hurt.  But, even the psychologist couldn't
get through to him - see this little boy really is hurting.

We spend alot of quality time with Chris - sometimes excluding the other two.
And we do praise him for the good things - but he still likes to hurt people
and things (This morning he couln't get his window shade open so he cut it
off!)  

These are the kinds of things that are driving me mad - and MAD TOO.

Chris also is ADD and is unmedicated due to his age - any suggestions?

I thank you kindly for responses already received - sorry I did not clarify
myself better the first time.

Thanks!!!!

Toni
From: glenn7914@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New Baby
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:29:39 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        I just found out that I am pregnant and would like some advice from the
others who have been there.  We have a 2 1/2 YO daughter and would like to know
how long to wait before telling her.  We have already discussed with her that
someday it might happen but never anything about when this will occur.  I also
would like any suggestions on cute ways to let the grandparents know that
Kelsey will be a big sister.
                     
           
                   Thanks,
   
          O   O    
         /^\o/|\                
         / \K/ \           Nancy "The Momma" Glenn
             



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: author@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus x2331)
Subject: Re: Phone Ettiquette
Reply-To: author@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus x2331)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:06:33 GMT

In article <D#F2JH6RZ@linac.fnal.gov> kfreytag@mdtf14.fnal.gov (Kelley Trombly-Freytag) writes:
> Hi! I'm the person who originally started this thread. I've found all
> of the responses interesting, but it would be nice if someone answered my
> question. [Its possible they did, I was away from work for a few days and
> news times out quickly here.]
> 
> A recap: I called someone, a young child answered, I said "Is so-and-so
> there?", "Yes", long pause - nothing is going to happen, I say "May I speak
> to her?", "MOM!", etc.
> 
> What I wanted to know was, should I mention it to the mother so she could
> tell her child that when someone says "Is X there?" it means they want to
> talk to X. Or might the mother think I was out of line?

I think you could mention this in a very tactful, non-judgemental way and
there certainly would be a benefit to doing so. When your friend gets on the
phone, you could sort of chuckle and say, "Your son/daughter is so cute! When
I asked if you were there he/she said "Yes" and just waited! Ha Ha, aren't kids
so funny!"

I think this is about as far as you can go without being rude. Approaches such
as, "Y'know, your kid doesn't know how to answer the phone, why don't you
teach him?" which is what you'd have to do, in effect, are not going to
go over well. If the person doesn't get the idea from the "friendly" approach
I suggested, just forget it. It's not that big a deal really, though I can
understand why you were taken aback.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Sylvan Associates
	<1992Apr03.234858.952904@locus.com>
	<1992Apr6.182920.20367@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>
	<167C3723E.EKOCK@cmsa.gmr.com>
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:45:29

Let's have everyone who's contributed to this thread regarding
"sacrifices" dig their heels out of the mud and relax...

Often, satying home and caring for the children is a choice made by
and *for* the parents.

I am a consultant mostly so that I can have control of my time (and
get to spend more time with my kids). Grace "stays at home" (in
actuality, she runs around town) with the kids and is taking care of
them.

These are all selfish choices. Grace and I are doing it this way
because it works for *us* and gives *us* the greatest amount of
pleasure. Others' pleasures will differ from ours.

			---Kayvan
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 14:10:38 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Other Goofy Songs
Distribution: usa

I just sang PPM's "I'm in Love with a Big Blue Frog" to Jamie this morning,
and he said, "Do 't 'gain." :-)
--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
From: mathews@hplred.HP.COM ( Emily Mathews)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:45:36 GMT
Subject: Friend with pituitory tumor
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids


I remember someone asking about this a long time ago ...
A friend of mine has been diagnosed with a micro endoma(?) pituitory tumor.
She has no symptoms except she hasn't menstruated in 7 months, and has
very high prolactin levels.  She's been to three doctors so far and all diagnose
it the same way.  For a while after visiting a holostic health person,
she was taking some kinds of herbs, and her periods came back, but,
unfortunately they've dissapeared again.

All agree that the treatment is to take some kind of medication for the rest
of her life.  This is extremely scarry to her.  Another problem is that
pregnancy is supposed to exacerbate the condition.

Anyway, she doesn't know of anyone else who has had this, and would like
to hear of others experience.  I don't know if this is the right newsgroup,
but like I said, I do remember a posting about it sometime back.

Thanks in advance.
Emily Mathews
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mysterious Headaches-THANKS!
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:20:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: satyr.KAYVAN.92Apr13232012
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Apr9.034112.25808@access.digex.com> andy@access.digex.com (Andrew M Cohn) writes:

   To complicate matter,s here is a transcript of the conversation I had
   with our son as I was tucking him in tonight:

   ME:   So howya feeling, Danny?
   DAN:  Fine.
   ME:   Anything bothering you?
   DAN:  No.
   ME:   How's your elbow...does it hurt?
   DAN:  Uh...yeah.

Well.... at this point, you're *actively* suggested that his elbow
*might* indeed be hurting. In my experience, children are very
suggestible.

   ("Act" 2, a half-hour later:)

   ME:   Hey, how's your elbow...does it still hurt?
   DAN:  Yeah...still hurts.

   Aside, to audience: Now, there is not a darn thing wrong with his
   elbow. I picked that body part at random as a little test. So now
   I must add my own suggestion to the list:

   5. A visit to the shrink. :<

Perhaps. He may just be wanting attention, or he may be very
attuned to your not very indirect suggestions (and the ensuing worry
and attention heaped upon him).

I don't recommend "shrinks" for children (or most adults for that
matter). Most of them are too vested in explaining why the "patient"
is the way he is and the economic incentive keeps them (consciously or
unconsciously) from actually helping in a significant or lasting way.
You'll feel good, though.

I have too many friends not helped by therapy, "getting" the same
"insights" over and over again.

			---Kayvan
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| Consulting, Training, Development, SysAdmin, {BSD,SVr3,SVr4} Unix Systems  |
| "Think Globally, Act Locally." "Dubito ergo sum - I doubt therefore I am." |
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From: csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: names
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

=> 			Brendan		Liam
=> 			Finn		Donnall
=> 			Seamus		Eammon
=> 			Connor		Brian
=> 		
=> Some girls names:
=> 			Nora		Rose
=> 			Sionnaid	Shiobhan
=> 			Derval		Fiona (or Fionuala)

Also (boys):  Sean (pronounced shawn)  {Gaelic for 'John'} (sine fada e)
              Ciaran (pronounced keeran)
              Shane (one of my little brothers names)
              Conal (another brother, do you want all six?)
                         (pronounced co-NAl)

girls:          Don't have any sisters, but I know a couple:
                Maire (pronounced MAW y re) {Gaelic for Mary)
                            (Btw, theres a sine fada over the i)
                Noel (pronounced NO-el) {You might check this name,
                    unless your Catholic, I _think it means 'Christmas'}
                Sinead (pronounced shin-ade, 'ade' as in 'lemonADE'
                           Sigh! Memories of my first girlfriend!!!)
                         {Btw, sine fada over the 'e'}

I know a load more, but these are first thoughts!

		Chris
--
Christopher  Wrigley           "Have not children the right to keep the
University of Keele, England      secrets of their hearts from you?"
JANET - csz55@uk.ac.keele.           (Lindkvist - Strindbergs "Easter")
Internet - csz55%keele.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
From: bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:20:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.agrjkc#
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <ku6irgINN8lu@antigone.usc.edu> gazit@antigone.usc.edu (Salit) writes:
>In article <76qj7l+@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) writes:

>> Yes, you should try hard to breast feed exclusively
>>in the first few days, but your baby is a human being, and *needs
>>fluids* to survive. If you can't provide that, it is not OK to
>>just deprive him/her because LLL tells you to. 
>
>However, the above is patently foolish. The incidence of babies dehydrating
>due to breastfeeding is extremely small.

Excuse me, where did I say it wasn't rare?

> By nature breastfeeding is designed to
>supply the human baby with enough fluids and nutrients to survive in normal
>conditions. 

Are you saying that breastfeeding *always* works?

Dehydration is unlikely to occur in the hospital, due to controled
>temp. When it does happen, water bottles or IV (if the condition is serious)
>are much better choices than formula. When my son came back from the hospital
>the tempratures here averaged 100+ degrees. We watched his urine production
>...infection, not the heat. The solution was not formula, but antibiotics...
>
This is all fine. But surely you don't advocate antibiotics for
simple failure of lactation during the first 5-7 days of life.

Brian
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Keywords: gate
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.023848.22431@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>Hi fellow netters!
>
>I can use some misc.kids advice on type of gates used.  Which ones are
>the safest, most easiest to use, gives the most flexibility as to
>moving gate from place to place of different widths of passage to
>block, portability. Good points and bad points to keep an eye out for.
>Any suggestions on makes, models and places to purchase (including
>mail order - OK) would be appreciated.
>
>Rob C.


  Please send me some advice.  I am interested in hardware mounted
  (without those rubber pressure sensitive knobs).  The doors at
  my mother-in-law and in my apartment are not parallel, thus
  I cannot get the gates to stick.  I wasted money on a Gerry,
  because even though you could hinge mount it, it turns out that
  you mush use pressure to keep the gate closed.  I just want one
  that mounts on hinges on one side, and has a latch on the
  other side.  I can't seem to find them in the store, since
  all they sell are pressure-mounted gates.  My 14 month old
  thinks it is fun to push the gate over (even though he falls).

  Thanks for any advice,

  Clare
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From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Extraction of baby teeth
Keywords: 5 year old, anaesthetic
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:57:50 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: usa


My 5.5 year old son, Jeff sustained trauma to one of his front
teeth.  An absess is forming in the space between the traumatized
baby tooth and the permanent tooth above it.  Since Jeff's permanent
tooth is compromised by the absess, the dentist recommended
extracting both of Jeff's front teeth.  (He recommended extracting
BOTH teeth as it is likely that if one of the baby teeth remains in
place, the permanent tooth (the one above the absess) will come in
at an undesirable angle).)

My question is about anaesthetics.  The dentist scheduled Jeff for a
local. There are two reasons for why I'd want to consider something
a little stronger.  The first is obvious: I want to cause Jeff as
little anxiety and pain as possible.  This is his first major
experience with the dentist and I'd like him to remember it without
pain and fear.  The second reason is that I think that it would be
nearly impossible to keep Jeff still throughout the procedure.  He
has difficulty staying still for an x-ray and keeping the aparatus
in his mouth let alone sitting through something as unpleasant as an
extraction and the work that they'd have to do to rid him of the
absess.

Anyway, I don't know the technical term for the alternative, but we
always called it "laughing gas."  Is this a viable alternative in
general?  Is it viable considering Jeff's age (5.5 years)?

If you have any experience with such procedures personally or with
your own children, PLEASE pass them along.  The extractions are
going to happen soon and I'd like info about them before beginning
the process.

Any help will be GREATLY appreciated.  Thanks so much...

Barbara
Newsgroups: misc.kids