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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: who is castaneda?
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:59:19 GMT

In article <1jp9ufINN8sk@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>a few posts ago (i think it was andy's) the name Castaneda was mentioned.
>who is he, what kind of books does he write and is it something i could
>pick up in a public library?

He isn't a martial artist, if that's what you were thinking.  Carlos
Castenda was an anthopology graduate student who claims to have met
a Native American sorceror, named Don Juan, who turned Casteneda on
to various hallucenogenic plants, and led him through a series of
experiences that were fairly strange, even by the relaxed standards
normally applied during a drug trip, like changing him into a crow.
All of the above was served up with liberal doses of philosophy
regarding living like a warrior, and so forth.

There are varying opinions regarding the objective truth or falsehood
of these accounts.

The first couple of books were written in the late 60's or early 70's,
as if you hadn't guessed that by now.  There have been several others
since.  I'm sure you can find them in any library, or in any chain
bookstore, where they are usually filed in the "New Age" section,
next to books on palm-reading and sexual astrology.

No doubt the people in alt.magick could tell you more, if they
don't turn you into a frog, or even a crow, for your impertinence
in bothering them.

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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: What is Shotokan?
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:40:11 GMT

In article <C14nv4.KIA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
 
>
>
>From which country did Shotokan originate?  What are its underlying
>theories?  And what does it consist of? (physically).  Thanks.
>
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Shotokan is, as I understand it, a Japanese art, a form of Karate.
 
Why, I ask, do people post questions that they could answer for themselves
by a quick trip to the nearest Library!
 
 
 
Another Rust-Belt Yankee Exile in Charlotte!
 
Any opinions expressed are mine, not those of the Atkins Library.
 
Bruce Alan Wilson ali00baw@unccvm.uncc.edu
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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Brandon Lee Movies
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:44:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.002337.16445@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911146@ariel.yorku.ca (JEFF HUM) writes:
>I noticed that people have failed to mention "Legacy Of Rage"
>There's a fight between Brandon and 'BOLO'.  However, the movie
>sucks, as does his other movies including Rapid Fire.  
Hmm, so what did you find bad about "Rapid Fire"?
I thought it was a pretty good movie all around, not just as an MA
movie. It isnt some great epic or oscar winner, but a fun movie to
watch.  It had good fight scene, a reasonable plot, some character
development, some humour nado nado.
 
>As for Jackie Chan, his recent movies aren't that great either.  He 
>focuses more on comedy and acrobatic stunts.  A memorable movie by
>JC is "Dragons Forever", directed and choregraphed by Samo Hung.
Well, Martial Arts Comedy are really Jackie Chan's stock and trade.
I havent seen any movies, no matter how serious, that he doesnt throw
in at least one funny bit. But also, his background is in Acting more
then it is in Martial Arts. 

But as for complaints about using acrobatics stunts, I've heard this
criticism from others about Jackie Chan movies. I really dont see why
this is a negative, I see acrobatic ability just as part of Martial
Arts as a good punch. Isnt being able to do those difficult movements
(ie. maneuverability) a tactical advantage in a fight.  One of the 
reasons IMHO Jackie Chan movies are good, is that he uses not only
kicks and punches to beat his opponents, but also a whole lot of
imaginative tricks (in the form of acrobatics) to out wit and out
maneuver them.  

>Anyone like the new "Wong Fei Hung" (Once Upon A Time In China) series
>by Jet Lee?  
Haven't seen it, unfortunately.

RT
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From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:21:58 GMT

In article <28627@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) says most sayishly:
>shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>  +
>  +Basically, the only animal that we (humans) would most likely be
>  +attacked by is a large dog.  And from experience, they sometimes like to
>  +run and then leap at you.  Umm, how should I phrase this?  Are there any
>  +books, or any info... or even an ART that teach how to defend against
>  +animals?    [rest deleted]
>
>Here we go!  Dog Kun Do, where are you?  [Not to mention "Son of
>Dog Kun Do.]  Stephen (Northcutt), anything from the Greenoch
>archives?

Foo.  I wanted a serious reply.

Besides, it's too easy to kill a dog with Greenoch!  Paint your finger
plaid and touch the dog's nose and POOF!  But I don't have TIME to learn
Greenoch.  Sheeesh.  :)

>
>Terry Chan
>--
>Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
>Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
>Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Yeah, right.

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From: dimon@athena.mit.edu (Vadim Dribinsky)
Subject: Hapkido in Boston
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:18:27 GMT

Does anyone know is there any places that teach Hapkido 
in Boston or Cambridge? If someone does, please, e-mail 
me. Thanks.
			Vadim.
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From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: Brandon Lee Movies
Keywords: Lee, Movie
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:09:07 GMT

In article <C18GAH.MoL@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <C16ow4.I3D@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>>_Lazer Tag_ stank very badly.

>Hmm too bad, you should see "Rapid Fire" then.

>Never seen Lazer tag, so I dont know for sure about that one. Anyways, the
>Martial arts and fight choreography in Rapid, was great, reminds me a lot
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of Jackie Chan movies.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'll make it a point to see then.  Mr. Chan has some FAST moves.  On a
Discovery Channel special on foreign films,  they interveiwed him, and
he said that the fght sequences are at actual speed; i.e.  he can really
move as  fast as in Police Story.  He also said that making movies in
America is tough, because he has thrown three punches before the stunt
men react to the first.

Sounds like an exageration to me, but I do  know that he is VERY fast.
Someone told me that they heard that he doesn't have much power, but I'd
still avoid sparing with someone like that.  (Who cares if one doesn't
hurt.  If the guy lands five punches on you, it WILL hurt.)
>
>RT
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Strengthening fingers/hand
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:36:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <C1J796.5B5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Anyway, I'm looking for some method to strengthen my hands and fingers
>(For grips and throws)

Lots and lots of fingertip pushups should do the trick.  When they get
easy, start picking up fingers.  When that's easy, do one hand.  When
that's easy, start fingertip pushups from a handstand.  When that's
easy, let me know...

> so I could do it during class

I suggest setting aside a time to do your conditioning outside of class.
You'll get more out of both.

D

-- 
========================================================================
Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
From: jat@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:18:45 GMT
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
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>Does anybody know what Sinawali(sp?) is?
>I've heard it's a brazilian martial art, and I think it
>might be the style used in the movie "The Mighty Quinn".
>
>Apparently, it uses a lot of spinning techniques from the ground, and
>looks like a cross between northern-style kung fu and breakdancing.
>
>Does anyone practice it, or know where it's taught?  It looks like
>it could be a great complement to "hard" style linear arts.
>
>Thanks!
>John Young
>YOUNGJO@yang.earlham.edu

What you described sounds like capoeira.  Sinawali is used in the
Filippino martial arts.

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
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From: nlund@kodak.com
Subject: Handguns are _good_ crime resistance tools!
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Summary: Handguns are _good_ crime resistance tools!
Originator: lund@viper
Organization: US Militia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:05:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.011047.22628@ida.liu.se> d90eridy@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Dyrelius) writes:
>
> [...]
>
>But martial-art is a much better alternative than a handgun since fists
>don't ususally kill by accident)
>
>(Don't flame me for this I just stated my opinion!)

Not a flame, but according to Gary Kleck, _Point Blank_, Aldine De Gruyter,
1991 :

   "Victim resistance with guns is associated with lower
    rates of both victim injury and crime completion for
    robberies and assaults than any other victim action,
    including non-resistance."

And that in the US, the number of defensive uses of guns per year are :

Hart Poll, 1981, 644,000 handguns defenses per year (page 106) 
Mauser Poll, 1990, 691,000 gun defenses per year (page 107) 
Field Poll (California), 1978, 1.2 million handgun defenses per year (page 467) 
Time/CNN Poll, 1989, 908,061 handgun defenses per year (page 468) 

The 1.2 million figure is perhaps the most suspect, since it involves a
projection of California statistics onto the rest of the US, but taken
in concert, those four polls all seem to show that the use of guns to
defend is not a trivial part of our nationwide crime prevention program.

Sorry for invading your opinions with actual data, but we here in the
US are currently observing the steady erosion of our 2nd amendment
rights, and I feel that it is imperitave to try to shine light on
this issue.

I have set the Followup-To: talk.politics.guns, but really no follow up
is needed.  Just mosey on over there and watch for a while.  Plenty of
bandwith to snoop on.  :-)

Nate
nlund@kodak.com
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:50:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


Came into this halfway thru! What is carjacking. How do I do it? It sounds
lucrative for someone on a British research salary.
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:47:11 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan24.040716.17982@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.001411.10451@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>Is chi (ki) real? I know the theory, but I'm wondering what people think
>>about it. 
>
>Well, what do you mean by "real"? Chi is, essentially, about how 
>your mind and body interact. It can easily be "all in your mind"
>and still be very real. As a physical concept, I don't think
>it is real (there is no measurable energy, in the physical sense
>associated with it, for example.) However, I've found from experience
>that as a psychological concept, it is very real. 
>                                                   Frank Crary

	Well, at Beijing University, people who are 'able to
use their Chi' are studied because of their <ability to move
objects with their minds>.  I forget the word for <>.  It seems
that they can occasionally do it, but not so much on demand.
You can get Chi from certain exercises, and people who are good with
their Chi can either give or take it, leaving you strong or weak,
so they say.

			John
From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:23:43 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan20.194057.32265@europa.asd.contel.com>, groome@ncc1701d.lab (J. Andrew Groome) writes:
> I have really enjoyed Dan Millman's (sp?) books.  I have only read the first two,
> _The Way of the Peaceful Warrior_ and _The Warrior Athlete_. 
> Anyone care to comment on his other books?
> 
> ---
> J. Andrew Groome (GTE Federal Systems): Andy.Groome@oasis.gtefsd.com

I thought Millman's books were cheesy, sorry to say.  It seems like you can get
the same basic message with greater clarity and entertainment value.  Even in
Richard Bach, or in Castenada's Journey to Ixtlan.

I think I really objected to that whole romantic thread in Way of the Peaceful
Warrior.  Boy, did that sound totally contrived or what?

Jeff
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From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Greenoch History
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:18:15 GMT

tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
|> 
|> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
|> >
|> >Seriously.. what *IS* Greenoch?
|> 
|> I'll tell you just to warn you, but I'll have to be brief, 
|>    as I have to take care of a visitor (probably wants a tour of the
|>    lab).  Anyway, Greenoch is4zkbn 0zhjff3zhjdf

Ha!  There are some in whom the power will not coalesce...

Basically, the essence of Greenocq3d7x

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From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:53:15 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.153

David Jewell posts and Jay Toman ripostes:

DJ>> A woman I know, in her mid 20s, visited the US from Australia. She had

DJ>> 6 months Tae Kwon Do (traditional) training and was walking along one
of 
DJ>> the well known shopping streets in L.A. when she was approached by a
man
DJ>> who tried to bum some money off her. She gave him a few dollars from
her 
DJ>> purse and proceeded to walk on towards her car. The man was not happy
with  
DJ>> the amount he had received and pressed her for more and then started
to
DJ>> verbally abuse her. He positioned himself between her and the car and
at 
DJ>> this time she felt very threatened by him physically.

JT> I'm not sure how this is a "success" story. He didn't assault her, she
JT> assaulted him. You can't beat on somebody just because they annoy you,
JT> or scare you. The situation you describe just doesn't sound like it
warrants
JT> the use of (potentially deadly) force.

Well, that's *always* up to the DA and then maybe a jury to decide. But I
am hard-pressed to think of a woman who wouldn't consider that scenario
to be an attack.  Maybe just a case of obnoxiously aggressive panhandling,
but maybe a lead-in to a mugging, a carjacking, or a beating-up.  There is
a small but disturbing intersection between the set of street beggars 
(most of whom are guilty of nothing more than being homeless and hungry)
and the sets of street criminals and dangerous addicts/crazy
people/whatnot.

Certainly there were less escalatory ways in which she could have handled
this.  But a woman (i.e., live prey on the street) who has had six months
of TKD (not much) probably saw this situation in a much more threatening
light than most of us might have.

Joe
"Just another Monday-morning quarterback from the People's Republic of
Berkeley"
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From: moore@esseye.si.com (David Moore)
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:02:51 GMT

It's interesting to see that someone else has this information. By the way,
his name is most commonly seen as Hanashiro Chomo, also a student of
Itosu.

-- 
David Moore                    | moore@si.com
Smiths Industries              |
Grand Rapids Michigan          | my comments are my own -- not my employers'.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Boston Internal MA School
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:18:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

mgwg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (TechnoKnight) writes:
  +
  +	I have a question about Dr. Jwaming Yang (sp?).  
  +  [Details deleted]  From his books, he seems to know
  +what he is doing.  Is he really that good?  Is there anyone out there
  +that knows and has experienced with the person (seen him in action?).
  +Will it be worth $210 to fly down spring break and visit his school?

I don't really have an answer to your question, but I was
curious.  How "good" should s/he be for you to spend
$210 to visit the school?  Are you interested in learning
for the period you are there (i.e., spending several weeks)
or to get a feel for the guy?

Terry Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Yeah, right.
From: ensrit@gdr.bath.ac.uk (R I Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Miyara Masu is what?
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:49:06 GMT
Organization: School of Mechanical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

Someone asked me what a "Miyara Masu" was. Anyone know? I presume (from
context) that it is some form of strike. Punch? Kick? Weapon?

email to rit@maths.bath.ac.uk
--
   Richard
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:23:03 GMT

In article <1jtekfINNj4r@pith.uoregon.edu> toman@bovine.uoregon.edu (Jay toman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.052057.14896@trl.oz.au> djewell@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (David Jewell - Radio and Satellite Networks) writes:
>>
>>OK, here goes one.
>>A woman I know, in her mid 20s, visited the US from Australia. She had about
>>6 months Tae Kwon Do (traditional) training and was walking along one of the
>>well known shopping streets in L.A. when she was approached by a man who
>>tried to bum some money off her. She gave him a few dollars from her purse 
>>and proceeded to walk on towards her car. The man was not happy with the 
>>amount he had received and pressed her for more and then started to verbally
>>abuse her. He positioned himself between her and the car and at this time
>>she felt very threatened by him physically.
>>She is not 100% sure of the exact combination she used but thinks it was
>>a front kick to the mid-section followed by a high section knife hand strike.
>>Anyway it had the desired effect and she made it safely to her car and away.
>>Having spoken with this lady she has a strong personality although an
>>outward timidity. Her timidity made her a victim, her personality gave her
>>the courage to resist the intimidation and her training gave her the skill
>>to get out of a dangerous situation. I think that the courage was the most
>>important ingredient.
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>I'm not sure how this is a "success" story. He didn't assault her, she
>assaulted him. You can't beat on somebody just because they annoy you,
>or scare you. The situation you describe just doesn't sound like it warrants
>the use of (potentially deadly) force.
>
>						J. Toman

"Assault" does not have to involve physical contact - even according to
the legal definition.  Assuming the narration above, an assault was
probably committed and the response was likely appropriate.


Charles Yeomans

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From: dbs@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Dave Sheehy)
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:11:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

Mr. X (osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan25.103900.21082@yang.earlham.edu> youngjo@yang.earlham.edu writes:
: 	...  Single sinawali, which I never learned, uses one cane and double
: 	sinawali uses two.  

The sinawalis are a set of exercises and not just the crossing figure eight
pattern which is the most familiar exercise. I was shown 5 separate exercises
which were named Single, Single-single, Double, Reverse, and Redonda. I have
no idea if that's all the exercises. All can be practiced empty handed, single
stick, and double stick.

: 	I also feel it has good MA value.  

You bet! 

Dave Sheehy

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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Openings.
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:27:19 GMT

Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>	We have 2 different viewpoints on the matter:
>
>	1) No matter how good the martial artist is, there are _always_
>openings which can be exploited by their opponent(s).
>
>	2) The _best_ martial artists do not give their opponents _any_
>openings to exploit. Either by timing, or positioning, the openings
>only occur when and where their opponent(s) cannot take advantage of them.

	3) Martial artists often master their opponents by presenting
"openings" that are only apparently so, and then slamming them shut
at the appropriate moment.

The question of whether you can actually fight without presenting
*any* openings strikes me as not the critical issue.  Regardless of
the answer to that question, your opponent will eventually *think* he
sees an opening and take a particular a line of attack.  You can hope
that he chooses poorly, but why leave it entirely up to him?  There
is a far better percentage in making yourself *seem* to be open to
exactly the form(s) of attack that you can counter most decisively.
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: re: Haji (was  Re: Karate Kata question: tekki series)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:17:29 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.


Thanks for the reply, if you tried to email to me I wouldn't be
suprised if it bounced.

I study in Dallas, under a Dr. Alex Tong.
He and I in turn study under H. Nishiyama.

I also try to attend other ranking Karate-ka's  seminars
whenever I get the chance.  IE.. when they are near Dallas
or if I am passing thru the cities they teach.
Exam.  L. Sill, R. Graves, R. Fusaro, T. Mikami, M. Mori ... ect.

B. Webb, Dallas, Tx.
Japan Shotokan Karate.
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