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From: re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: anti-Semitism
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:31:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.serMvZ_00ioBM5x14I
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Marian translated the metropolitan of Banat's article (part of it).
There is a part of that translation which goes like this:
 >Phenomena like these
>are strange us Romanians in general and especially to Christians. Our >people
>is characterized by tolerance and we always lived fraternally with all the
>minorities. 

First of all, anti-semitism in Romania has old roots.  During the 19th
century and the first part of the 20th century, Romanian legislattion
was extremelly anti-semitic (I have posted a partial list of such legislation,
about six months ago).  The contention that the "commoners" were less
anti-semitic than the ruling classes is also inaccurate.  One
counterexample are the 1907 events.  While most of us learned of them as
the "Peasant's Revolt", they started in fact as riots against the Jews in 
Moldavia.  Only towards the end they were directed against Romanian 
noblemen, as well.

Second, Christianity has a very poor record regarding its attitude towards
the Jews.  Despite the teachings of the Bible (which, studied carefully,
doesn't mention anywhere that the Jews have to be mistreated), Christian
priests have advocated (and still do, even in today's Romania), anti-semitic
views.

Third, minorities did have to suffer in Romania and we still did not learn
to treat them fairly.  The riots against minorities have been kept in check
by one leader or another.  When leaders that did not care about the issue
or held anti-minority views appeared, minorities have suffered.

I salute the metropolitan's article.  I believe that it is time for a new 
attitude and the article seems to show that religious leaders are assuming
responsability.  On the other hand, inaccurate statements about past
history should not be made.  It's better to take care of today and leave 
history and the past to the historians.

Rad
From: moga@gringo.usc.edu (Adrian Moga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Michael Jackson's concert in Romania on HBO
Date: 9 Oct 1992 12:25:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gringo.usc.edu


Someone asked for details about the concert. It will be broadcasted on
HBO this Saturday (Oct. 10) at 8pm (EDT/PDT). I have heard that the
concert will be preceded by a 7-minutes-short-movie about Romania.

Regards,

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu)
Subject: RFE/RL
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:26:32 GMT

Please be kind enough and send again the e-mail address
and the message needed for a RFE/RL subscription.

Thanks a lot,
Mihai Dorobantu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:43:27 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Keywords: email from Timisoara

In article <Bvyrtp.56w@me.utoronto.ca> mitu@me.utoronto.ca (Adrian Mitu) writes:
>That's odd... The latest issue of IEEE Spectrum, whose main 
>article is about e-mail, shows Romania without any e-mail
>connections whatsoever. Of course, if somebody actually received
>a message from Timisoara it means that there *are* connections.
>Does anybody know the nature of these connections?
>
>These guys at IEEE ought to get their facts straight! ;-)
>
>
>Adrian
>
>
>
>-- 
>Adrian Mitu
>(mitu@me.utoronto.ca)

To: mitu@me.utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <Bvyrtp.56w@me.utoronto.ca> you write:
>That's odd... The latest issue of IEEE Spectrum, whose main 
>article is about e-mail, shows Romania without any e-mail
>connections whatsoever. Of course, if somebody actually received
>a message from Timisoara it means that there *are* connections.

Yes, there are. One of the first things discussed on this newsgroup in 
January - February was the e-mail connection to Romania. For those of
you who were not subscribing at the time, the adress of the Polytechnical
Institute of Bucharest is:
pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de
and I guess the connection to Timisoara, which was said to pass through
Bucharest and Darmstadt, would go through the above mentioned adress.

>Does anybody know the nature of these connections?
>
The nature of these connections are the phonelines. There is a node at
th-darmstadt in Germany which is dedicated to Romania and where a mail-
server stores the messages. Once a day, the P.I.B. calls Darmstadt by
phone (the usual operator-assisted calls from Romania) and a message
exchange between the two servers begins. It lasts for 1-2 hours. Then,
the guys on both sides can answer their messages, which will be trans-
ferred on the next day's call.

>These guys at IEEE ought to get their facts straight! ;-)
>
They are right. That adress is not Romanian, but German (.de at the end).
Now, that the Germans have a private agreement with the Romanians to 
forward their mail, that's something else. They could as well copy the
messages on disks, load them on a truck, send them to Romania and back.
That would of course not mean "Internet connection"... 

Efforts are made, though, to establish a regular Internet connection.
It was said to be ready in March '92, then in August, now...?
But, we still hope.

	Alin


Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mitu@me.utoronto.ca (Adrian Mitu)
Subject: Email to Romania (Thanks!)
Originator: mitu@cam.me.utoronto.ca
Keywords: addresses
Organization: University of Toronto
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:24:43 GMT



I wish to thank everyone who replied to my posting. From
those replies, I made a list of addresses that were given
to me in these postings. Unfortunately, there are only three distinct
ones (or rather only two :-(   ). Anyway, here there are:


Polytechnical Institute of Bucharest: pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de

Universitatea din Brasov: u_brasov@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de

Institutul de Fizica Atomica: ifa@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de


I did not get the Timisoara address, but whomever has it may post it.

Greetings!


-- 
Adrian Mitu
(mitu@me.utoronto.ca)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Moldova and the Dniester republic 
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:44:12 GMT



     LEFT-BANK  MOLDOVANS  DEMAND   REINSTATEMENT   OF  LATIN
ALPHABET.   In most of Moldova's area on the left bank of the
Dniester, controlled by  insurgents  of the Russian minority,
Moldovans continue to protest against the reimposition of the
Russian alphabet in  place  of  the  Latin used in "Moldovan"
(i.e.   Romanian) language  schools.    School  teachers  and
pupils are in  the  third week of a protest strike in schools
in Grigoriopol and  Slobozia  raions.   Parents from those as
well as Dubasari  and  Rabnita  raions have addressed appeals
with thousands of signatures to the United Nations and to the
US and Russian embassies in Chisinau urging the reinstatement
of the Latin  alphabet  and  of Moldovan school textbooks and
the   dispatch   of    human    rights    investigators    to
insurgent-controlled areas.  (Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL, Inc.)

MOLDOVA CONCERNED OVER RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS' BIAS. Major Trofim
Stefan, spokesman for the Moldovan side of the Joint Control
Commission supervising the peacekeeping troops in eastern Moldova,
told an RFE/RL correspondent that Moldova is concerned by the
Russian side's increasingly open bias in favor of the "Dniester"
insurgents. In violation of the ceasefire convention, the
insurgents maintain armed units and arms stockpiles in the
disengagement zone. They have seized by force the Moldovan
prosecutor's office and courthouse in Bendery, and have entrenched
themselves in several Moldovan villages around Bendery on the right
bank of the Dniester. The Russian peacekeepers openly condone these
violations. The Moldovan leadership, which has gambled on
cooperation with Russia in settling the conflict, is reluctant for
political reasons to publicize its growing concern over the Russian
peaceekepers' partiality. (Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL Inc.)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: B7IM000 <B7IM@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: e-mail addresses
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:33:16 GMT

I'd like to get a list of e-mail addresses from Bucharest.
Can someone help me?
Thank you in advance,
Tudor Draganovici  (b7im@musicb.mcgill.ca)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.011506.599@vms.huji.ac.il>, marian@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
|> 
|>     Din ceas, dedus adincul acestei calme creste,
|>     Intrata prin oglinda in mintuit azur,
|>     Taind pe inecarea cirezilor agreste,
|>     In grupurile apei, un joc secund, mai pur.
|> 
|>     Nadir latent! Poetul ridica insumarea
|>     De harfe resfirate ce-in sbor invers le pierzi
|>     Si cintec istoveste: ascuns, cum numai marea,
|>     Meduzele cind plimba sub clopotele verzi.

Until now the choices are:
 Second game.
 A secondary game.
 The next step.  
 Parallel Ongoing.

What about translating it back to Romanian?  What will Barbu say about 
Urmatorul pas?

My choice:
 Second play.


Cheers
MIhai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:17:27 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Keywords: email from Timisoara

In article <1992Oct13.171459.5080@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Akiba Segal) writes:
>
>Do you,Alin,or anybody else knows an userid in romania,which I can ask about
>the mailing system in romania.I mean,if I would ask you who is the Operator
>of the Jassy politehnic inst.,I guess you wouldn't know,but maybe somebody
>from romania will know.ANYBODY.
>Thanks a lot
>Livian
>


Like usually in those cases, best thing is to use
root@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de   or
superuser@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de

Alin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:10:16 GMT

In article <BvtA4y.DGo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I. Busuioc) writes:
|> >Until now the choices are:
|> > Second game.
|> > A secondary game.
|> > The next step.  
|> > Parallel Ongoing.
|> >
|> >What about translating it back to Romanian?  What will Barbu say about 
|> >Urmatorul pas?
|> >
|> >My choice:
|> > Second play.
|> >
|> >
|> >Cheers
|> >MIhai
|> 
|> 	how about 'meta-play' ?  (meta < Gr., "following")
|> 	(ah, meta!  a true word for the nineties  :-)   sprinkle
|> 	it generously on top of your sentences, folks...

Actually that's a nice try.  It brings in not only the idea of
something secondary in nature, but also something that's beyond nature.
I think Barbu's intention was to convey exactly that. As an argument
I'll bring in
another poem that I like, which I consider his phylosophical "ars poetica."

GRUP
  E temnita in ars, nedemn pamint,
  De ziua, finul razelor insala;
  Dar capetele noastre daca sint,
  Ovaluri stau de var ca o greseala.

  Atitea claile de fire stingi!
  Gasi-vor gest inchis sa le rezume,
  Sa nege, dreapta, linia ce fringi:
  Ochi in virgin triunghi taiat spre lume?


I'll start by stating that the title of the poem, which baffled
the literary people, is simply a mathematical concept. 
(You math dudes will love this).  
The basic property of the group is that any element of the group
under a transformation applied to that element will still belong
to the group.  For non-techies the simplest example is the group
of integer numbers and the adding operation.  Whatever two integer
numbers you add, the result will still be an integer.  So that's
the most important property of a group.

Barbu takes this really neat idea from math and applies it to our
universe, saying that we are like a group, whatever we do we cannot
transcend our human position.  Except by
  Taind pe inecarea cirezilor agreste,
  In grupurile apei, un joc secund, mai pur.
     ^^^^^^^^^

This is my argument for "meta", that "Joc Secund" is intended to mean
more of "beyond" than "secondary."
However retlanslated back to Romanian will make the title too obvious.
So I'll stick with "Second play."

Cheers
MIhai
From: vs2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Virgil Simplaceanu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Oct 11 elections
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:58:39 GMT
Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I heard that one can vote in New York City (Manhattan) at the Romanian
UN Mission, on 3rd Ave and 39th street.
There must be a voting center in Washington, DC at the Embassy of
Romania, I guess.

Cheers , and don't let the turkeys take you down !
Virgil
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Keywords: email from Timisoara
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:26:15 GMT

|>  The Politechnical Institute in Bucharest has an agreement with the 
|>  Darmstat University to support them with a connection for e-mail.
|>  They connect every day manualy with Darmstat and download and upload
|>  mostly e-mail. The connection is a 1200 baud line, very unreliable and
|>  very noisy. The service is not regular, mostly because lack of discipline
|>  and a lack of understandind of what means to be sys-admin. There are 
|>  interuptions in the service as long as three weeks, and your mail will be
|>  lost.
|> 
|>  A frustated user of e-mail to Romania ;>)
|> 
|>  Alexandru Mitaru

There is also a limit on the size of e-mail message.  I don't know
the exact number, but it's around 36K.
Cheers
MIhai
From: ph20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Grigore Hodor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: anti-Semitism
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:12:39 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 10-Oct-92 in anti-Semitism                
user marian@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>Romanian people), also on the murder of few Chinese people in Bucharest.

This is interesting. Do you have any details?

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: viorica@donau.et.tudelft.nl (Viorica Simion)
Subject: search for Florina
Reply-To: viorica@donau.et.tudelft.nl (Viorica Simion)
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:41:10 GMT


I am looking for Florina Olariu. I suppouse she is in Canada 
(Vancouver). Please if you read this answer me at the e-mail
address : viorica@muresh.et.tudelft.nl
I don't have at this moment my own e-mail account. I am now
in Holland at Technical University DELFT.

I am looking forward for an answer from you,

          Cezar Bruma
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 04:27:17 CET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: tjebelea@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Tudor Jebelean)
Distribution: world
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Keywords: email from Timisoara

On Sept 30 I got a message from the Technical University of Timisoara
(former Politechnical Institute) from:
jurca.ipt@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de
However, my replay messages were not yet answered.
From: busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I. Busuioc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:36:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvtA4y.DGo
Organization: UB

mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.011506.599@vms.huji.ac.il>, marian@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>|> 
>|>     Din ceas, dedus adincul acestei calme creste,
>|>     Intrata prin oglinda in mintuit azur,
>|>     Taind pe inecarea cirezilor agreste,
>|>     In grupurile apei, un joc secund, mai pur.
>|>     Meduzele cind plimba sub clopotele verzi.
>
>Until now the choices are:
> Second game.
> A secondary game.
> The next step.  
> Parallel Ongoing.
>
>What about translating it back to Romanian?  What will Barbu say about 
>Urmatorul pas?
>
>My choice:
> Second play.
>
>
>Cheers
>MIhai

	how about 'meta-play' ?  (meta < Gr., "following")
	(ah, meta!  a true word for the nineties  :-)   sprinkle
	it generously on top of your sentences, folks...

	hm, i wonder how the americans translated it.  i bet
	it's something plain like 'second game' (when in doubt
	they usually go for the safe bet)

	now i'm curious.  i'll go to the library and see.

	anca
	(traduttore=tradittore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)
Subject: Email to Romania (was Re: I got an email from Timisoara)
Keywords: email 
Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 23:04:06 GMT


The company I worked for (Digital Equipment) has given a grant to the 
National Commision for Informatics in Bucharest, to establish an EARN gateway.
This was in June, and I think that by now they should start installing the stuff,
but I don't have recent details.

- Andrei
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: ammist@athena.mit.edu (Anca I Mosoiu)
Subject: Translation
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:07:48 GMT

"La revedere pentru acum" = Good bye for now.

I like seeing all the translations floating around!

Anca (a different one)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: donison@fraser.sfu.ca (Brad Donison)
Subject: Transylvania books
Keywords: Transylvania
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:09:30 GMT

I recently nabbed two books from the University library.

1) Transylvania and Hungarian Revisionism

and

2) A History of Transylvania

#1 was put out by the Romanian Historical Studies, Florida
#2 by Stefan Pascu

There were about half a dozen other books on Transylvania, but these two
looked to be the most interesting.  My intent is to read up on some
basic history of the area from the major differing view points, which I
was told were the Romanian view point and the Hungarian view point.
My question is: do these books gives those views, or are there better
sources out there?

multe multsumiri
Brad...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: viktoria@carson.u.washington.edu (Viktoria Seibert)
Subject: I got an email from Timisoara
Summary: I got an email from Timisoara
Keywords: email from Timisoara
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:38:42 GMT

Finally, after many months of waiting, I got an email from my friend 
in Timisoara!  It was routed through Bucuresti and Dramstadt, Germany as
other Romanian email addresses have been.  I will know more in a few days.

                  O prietena in noapte,
                         Vica                  viktoria@u.washington.edu
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From: rnegules@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Radu Negulescu)
Subject: Is-mail
Originator: root@neumann.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:55:59 GMT

Iata ce mi-a trimis un prieten turc:


TURKISH BUSINESSMEN ACTIVE IN ROMANIA

Turkish  Businessmen have  conquered the  Romanian market.  Since
Romania implemented a free market economy, more than 1400 Turkish
businessmen  are  active in  fields  such  as food,  electronics,
textiles, automobiles,  services and oil prospecting.  Items such
as  Duru brand  soaps,  Ulker biscuits,  Efes  Pilsen beer,  Kent
confectionery, Koska Halvah, and  the television factory built by
Vestel in Romania,  all supply items which are much  in demand in
the  country.  The 150  bakeries  throughout  the country  supply
Turkish bread  to the people  and the  bid awarded to  the Degere
Group for  oil exploration  is considered  a triumph  for Turkish
businessmen. The  Nuris Cafeteria, opened recently  in Bucharest,
is always  full, and  the number  of supermarkets  established by
Turks are on the increase.

The  Romanian market  of  23 million  is  ideal for  establishing
businesses which require small capital  and this results in 30-40
new  Turkish  firms  being  established  there  every  month.  By
choosing  wisely Turkish  firms  have  consolidated their  market
share, and  numarically they  occupy first place  in the  list of
foreign  capital firms  established in  the last  3 years  with a
total of over 16 million dollars.  By the end of 1992 this figure
is  expected  to  surpass   25  million  dollars.  Among  foreign
investors in the country Turkey is in the first ten.

Radu Negulescu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: Moldova
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:48:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.110437.12118@umr.edu>, msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu) writes:
|> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
|> RFE/RL Daily Report               No. 192, 6 October, 1992
|> 
|> MOLDOVAN FOREIGN MINISTER CALLS FOR UNITED NATIONS ACTION ON
|> MOLDOVA. Addressing the UN General Assembly on 1 October, Moldovan
|> Foreign Minister Nicolae Tiu urged the dispatch of UN ceasefire
|> monitors and human rights rapporteurs to the Dniester, where, he
|> claimed, "pro-communist imperial forces, the military-industrial
|> complex, and the upper ranks of the ex-Soviet army have launched a
|> veritable war...seeking to tear off Moldova's eastern area."
 
 Can someone please give details about the area involved?
 What are the territories controlled by the Russian 14-th army?
 How much of the hystorical Moldovan land is involved?
 Anything on our side of Nistru?
 Nick, you seem to have a better knowledge of what's going on
 in that area, could you please explain this to us?


|> Characterizing Russia's 14th Army in eastern Moldova as "an army of
|> occupation . .  .  and a permanent source of tension and conflict,"
|> Tiu noted that Russia is obstructing the negotiations on its
|> withdrawal. Endorsing a proposed resolution on the withdrawal of
|> Russian troops from the Baltic States, Tiu urged the General
|> Assembly to add the issue of Russian troops in Moldova to that
|> debate. (Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL, Inc.)
|> 

Cheers
MIhai
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Keywords: email from Timisoara
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:24:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

mitu@me.utoronto.ca (Adrian Mitu) writes:

>That's odd... The latest issue of IEEE Spectrum, whose main 
>article is about e-mail, shows Romania without any e-mail
>connections whatsoever. Of course, if somebody actually received
>a message from Timisoara it means that there *are* connections.
>Does anybody know the nature of these connections?

>These guys at IEEE ought to get their facts straight! ;-)

Romania's e-mail feed is actually a link between the Darmstadt Polytechnical
Institute and the Polytechnical Institute in Bucharest. The mail is downloaded
regularily by using 'kermit'. The Bucharest Polytechnic distributes it
further.

Long Haired Nick
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