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From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: VNS: Tue 28-Jul-1992
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:12:47 GMT

evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
: |||OLYMPICS
: 
:    Paul Ahlgren reports ...

: 	Spain caught their first gold medal of these olympics by 
: 	Jose Manuel Moreno winning the Velodrome Individual pursuit. 

That should be individual Time Trial.  Britain's Chris Boardman recorded an
unofficial World Record time in his heat of the Individual Pursuit.

Andrew
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10966 alt.war:1609
From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Elan Morin Tedronai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:29:00 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <40460004@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> geoff@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Geoff Badger) writes:

>PS - You are lucky. No US TV station even shows "Danger Mouse".

NOT!

Try Nickelodeon, je crois...

--
Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 
Seattle University ----------------| |---------  Wolf's Eye,
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |---------  than cross an
USA 98122 -------------------------| |---------  Aes Sedai."

          "If it's not Scottish, It's *crap*!"
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:03:37 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: andyw@aspen32


In article <nm19p0c@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> [...]
> Catch 22.   If the Tories spend more, they're irresponsible.
> If they spend less, they're "reneging" on their election 
> promises.

They made their bed, they can lie in it :-) What do they want,
sympathy ?
-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Americanising of the UK
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:04:34 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
had really gotten out of hand. Too much dross US TV, products (
McDonalds, Burger King (UK owned though by Grand Metropolitan),
crass American TV ad's with sometimes (thopugh not always) a British
voice over (like Coke, Pepsi and McDonald's ad's). American style
voice overs on kids TV.

Good UK stuff like Dangermouse is buried on the Channel 4 Daily
Brekkie News show, and crap cartoons like Swamp Thing and
Toxic Crusaders (quite good in a tongue in cheek way) are all
over the kids TV.

Hell we are now getting products with bad American spelling like
the new 'Ariel Color'. I think Proctor and Gamble (the makers)
are being a little crass using the same packaging. I'm sure
the American public would pass comment if Uk products had the
proper UK spelling on it for sale there.

Neil
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:26:46 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <6497@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, by ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Speed Freak):
> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
> Isn't it sad that many British people worship the Americans.  Just look at 
> all the filthy scum who wear New York Yankee baseball caps for instance.
> 

Especially those who wear them backwards - this bizarre dress code
really gets up my nose. Hadn't noticed that this sort of scum don't wash,
but then I try not to look that long....

Andy
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: People of Somalia Could Use Your Help
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:20:08 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: andyw@aspen32


In article <1992Jul24.070919.4150@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
> 
> [...]

Fred, your timing is impeccable, we just had a guy in here (s.c.b)
who said "I've just made pots of money". He went that way (to the right..)

-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Organization: Specialix International, London
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:30:52 GMT

mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

>jac54@cas.org () writes:
>> In article <3655@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes
>> >From article <6497@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, by ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk 
>> >> Isn't it sad that many British people worship the Americans.  Just look at
>> >> all the filthy scum who wear New York Yankee baseball caps for instance.
>> >
>> >Especially those who wear them backwards - this bizarre dress code
>> >really gets up my nose.
>> 
>> 	When you're detasselling corn and the sun is at your back it's
>> 	eminently sensible.

>The idiots I see in Oxford Street wouldn't recognize a corn field if they
>were dumped in one by a UFO.

I wonder how much this has to do with "the grass is greener..."
While in the 'States - I noticed an attitude that everything European was
automatically superior. I find similar attitudes here regarding America.
I have been known to sport a 'niners cap from time to time - and an
Oakland raiders shirt. But I got them because I was/am a 'niners and raiders
fan.

Because of the shrinking world, the cultural cross-over accross the pond
goes both ways. We had neighbors in California who would rave about (yeach!)
"Eastenders". We have neighbors here who rave about (yeach!) "total strangers".

What really gets up my nose is what I call "psuedo-americana" clothes that
you never see in the 'states.

A cross-cultural individual with a funny north atlantic accent.

>mathew
>-- 
>"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
> stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
> sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard

-- 


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From: yoshiko@rp.ricoh.co.jp (Yoshiko ***)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Theme song
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:04:16 GMT
Organization: I/O Products Division, Ricoh Co.,Ltd., Tokyo, Japan


Please let me know one theme song.

I was staying in Bournemouth from February to March in 1990.  At that time, one drama on TV was very popular.  I
remember that it was on air in the evening every day.

I would like to know the theme song.  I suppose that its name is "Neighbors"?.

If anyone knows its name and singer, plese give me the answer.  Also, I am poor at English Grammer, please correct my
mistake on my sentences.

Thank you for your attention.


Yoshiko Iidaka     22 yeas old  Japanese female 
E-mail address  yoshiko@iod.ricoh.co.jp
Tel. 45-974-8480
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:43:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.234944.1844@dircon.co.uk> uad1123@dircon.co.uk (Graeme Lyall) writes:
>
>It is not a perfect world when the press spend a lot of energy 
>exposing minor sex scandals and ignore far more important stories. 
>However the bottom line is that we have to know what the politicians 
>are getting up to.  Mellor used photographs of his happy little 
>family as propaganda only 3 months ago in the general election; 
>that stinks, and must be exposed.  A privacy law would cover 
>up this story, and many more too;  it would be a bad law.
>
For those of us on the left side of the pond who watched CSPAN's
election coverage, this story is particularly ironic as Mellor was one
of the politicians that CSPAN chose to follow around for a day's
electioneering. And yes, one of Mellor's major themes was that he was
the local family man, the pillar of the community that could be
trusted etc etc.
--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: arantamaki@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Stratford-on-Avon in November
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:36:57 GMT

Hello!

I`m going to Stratford in November with a group
of students and teachers from the Helsinki University.
I was wondering if the production that we're going to
see are being performed already and if anyone's seen
them or read any reviews on them. The productions
are Antony and Cleopatra, The Merry Wives of Windsor,
All's Well that Ends Well, Changeling and The School
of Night.

I would be grateful of any information that you
might have. Thank you in advance.

Annu Rantamaki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Bloody yuppie typographers everywhere (was Re: Britian,Libya vs. IRA)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:34:26 GMT

In article <chrisc.14.711658840@ramrod.lmt.mn.org> chrisc@ramrod.lmt.mn.org (Chris Cox) writes:
>In article <ne5jgfc@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>>Subject: Re: Bloody yuppie typographers everywhere (was Re: Britian,Libya vs. IRA)
>>Date: 18 Jul 92 00:31:27 GMT
>
>>In article <CC.92Jul17105222@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>>|> [apparently about the US press]
>>|>
>>|> The content seemed less biased than that of British newspapers though.
>
>>Amazing.   Where can I buy these?   Which US newspapers are
>>you talking about?
>
>The Minneapolis Star Tribune for one; The St. Paul Pioneer Press for another;
>
>>jon.
>
>Chris
>
	I give a nod to the Des Moines Register (anybody notice a pattern?).

	Alec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:38:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.050033.18743@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <NIGEL.92Jul23112145@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>,
>nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov writes:
>
>|>In article <1992Jul22.203836.5003@dscomsf.desy.de>
>|>hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
>|>
>|>[much deleted]
>|>

	[even more deleted]
>|>
>|>Excuse me but I think you're extrapolating a bit too much from
>|>Hollywood movies than reality.
>
>Absolutely not, there is no way anyone would do that in soc.culture.british
>
>|> While the Brits have bloody great
>|>Sargents our NCOs aren't too shabby either...and we have techno
>|>wizardy wimply because a) we can afford it and b) force multiplication
>|>through technology is a good way of saving lives.
>
>I would suggest that you consider the bit where the NCOs go surffing
>during an battle in `appocalypse now'

*       Indeed, according to my Vet colleague in the adjacent office,
*       all corporals and above were issued surfboards for use in the
*       monsoon season.
>
>OK yes, we will humour you, the US army is great, wonderful,
>magnificent. It hasn't just lost a war in Vietnam - in fact we will let
>you call it something else, er a tactical withdrawal, yes that sounds
>good.
>
*       Nope, it was a straightforward loss.  The war was not
*       commutative though, The North Vietnamese knew what they had
*       to do to win (they knew their political aim), the U.S. did
*       not.

>       [stuff deleted]
>
>|>Good thing we got our asses kicked?  Maybe...we've learned a lot of
>|>lessons from that war and the Gulf conflict proved it.
>
>What like how to aim rockets? The gulf was just about the one place
>where all that techno wizardry would work. Nicely uniform background to
>spot the targets on, complete air superiority, nice dry conditions so
>the electronics don't go screwy.

*       Guess again, they learned that Clausewitz and Sun Tzu were right.

>
>And above all the British airforce to take out the runways of the
>opposition despite the attempts to blast them out of the sky from the US
>forces instructed by those oh so good NCOs of yours.

	Attacking airfields is a task the RAF undertook as a part of
	their NATO commitment.  Unfortunately, those tactics don't
	work too well in the terrain of Southern Iraq and they were
	exposed to more enemy fire than expected.  Only one Tornado
	was lost on a JP233 run.  The rest were lost as a result of
	lucky shots, flying into the ground, or technical problems.

	It goes without saying that no British NCO was EVER responsible
	for accidentally shooting a friendly aircraft.*

	Alec.

	* For those on other groups, no smileys allowed in s.c.b.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:09:34 GMT

In <1992Jul24.131456.7794@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <njdrru8@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul21.171803.8552@aus.intel.com>, ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock) writes:
>> |> In article <23989@castle.ed.ac.uk> matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> >                                                    ... and I would like
>> |> >to think that even in the most casual of situations a true devotee of
>> |> >British culture can make the effort to get THEIR English grammar
>> |> >correct.
>> |> 
>> |> HIS would be grammatically correct; THEIR is merely politically correct,
>> 
>> No, "their" has been common usage, in this context, in both the 
>> US and UK for decades.  It is also, but not merely, PC.
>> 
>> jon.
>It's being "common usage" does not make it grammatically correct. English
>grammar is fairly rigid: Shakespeare's grammar is more or less the same as
>modern English grammar, and one of the rules says that "they", "their" and so
>on can only stand for a plural noun. It may be the case that only SMRWs like me
>(I was described thus recently on alt.english.usage) actually care about good
>grammar, but that does not make incorrect grammar correct.

>-- 

>Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
>wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.

I'm not quite sure what point it is Mr. Wilcox intends by bringing 
Shakespeare's grammar into this, but if it is to say that our friend Bill was 
guided by strict rules of grammar - he is wrong.  In the book "Shakespeare: His
Life, His Language, His Theater," Samuel Schoenbaum says:
      "Prescriptive school grammars, now themselves by and large antiques,
       came into existence only in the eighteenth century.  Shakespeare and 
       his schoolmates managed very well without such rigors." (p.24)

And later:
       "Working without the rigidities espoused by the pedagogues of a
        later age, and without the now taken-for-granted handy adjunct of a 
        desk dictionary, Shakespeare is untrammeled by modern anxieties 
        about correctness -- or, rather, what we now judge to be correct."
          (p.27)

I have quoted (without permission) from the Signet Classic edition, copyright
1990.  In the chapter from which the quotes are taken ("Shakespeare's English")
Schoenbaum cites many examples of inconsistent verb conjugations, double nega-
tives, double comparatives and superlatives, and various other things which are
today considered "incorrect."  
  English is a living language and all living languages are subject to change.
Granted, we don't all have to like the changes, but such is life.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:38:20 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul20.120547.23936@hemlock.cray.com>, andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner) writes:
>                                                                          
> So what's all this about ? If he has a plan to try & keep this quiet,
> it's working in the USofA.. Despite my, admittedly haphazard, attempts
> to listen to the world service, I've heard nothing about this. Would
> someone care to enlighten me - this is the kind of thing that really
> makes life worth living :-)
> 
> A N Other tory caught screwing around ? Who'd have thought it :-)

Not just A N Other Tory, but the great Panjandram himself, David Mellor Esq.,
Minister of Fun! There have been the usual unsubstantiated allegations that
Mellor has been having an affair with an actress, Mellor offered his
resignation but Major, the great twit, refused it. Mellor put out a statement
saying that he was having marital problems and asked for privacy to deal with
them.

Now the twists in the tail. Mellor is responsible for publishing, so is in
charge of the anti-invasion-of-privacy laws. Rumour has it that now he himself
has been the subject of press invasion, he may be tougher in framing the
legislation. The other twist is that Kelvin McKenzie, editor of that great
journal the Sun went on The World Tonight last night to announce that just
before the election he was approached by an as yet unnamed minister with
allegations that Capt. Paddy "Pantsdown" Ashdown of the Special Boat Service
was involved with five women, presumably excluding his ex-secretary. There was
found to be no truth in these allegations. A nice scandal is brewing <evil
grin>!

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: msmith@crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:12:52 GMT
Reply-To: msmith@crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK

In article <Bru7Fw.1nM@brunel.ac.uk>, Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes:
> Would the defenders of the Imperial/US weights & measure like to
> answer this one:
I'm not a defender of Imperial weights or measures, still less the US kind, but here's
my attempt.

> 
> I have two spaces; space A is 11 8/8" x 6 1/16"
				= 12" x 6 1/16" 
				= 72 3/4 sq in.
			        = 97/192 sq ft.

>                    space B is 2 chains x 7 yds
				= 132 ft x 21 ft
				= 2772 sq ft.
> 
> What is the area of each space in square feet?
				  2772 97/192 sq ft.

> If I have a piece of linoleum of 1/3 acre will I be able to cover
> the spaces?   
			 1 acre = 4840 sq yd
				= 43560 sq ft.
		       1/3 acre = 14520 sq ft.

> If linoleum weighs 2 1/3 oz/sq inch how much will the total covering
> weigh (in stones and lbs).
		Area in sq in   = 2772 97/192 x 144 = 399240 3/4 sq in
		Weight in oz    = 931561 3/4 oz
		Weight in lb    = 58222 lb 9 3/4 oz
		Weight in st    = 4158 st 10 lb 9 3/4 oz

> Linoleum is sold by weight, it costs 5/- 3 1/2d per quarter pound.
> Work out the cost of the total covering.
		Cost per lb	= 21s 2d 
		Total cost	= 58222 lb 9 3/4 oz x 21s 2d
				= 61618 pounds 18s 6 3/4d (ignoring 1/32d)

		Shall we call it 58685 1/2 Guineas and forget the loose change?
> 
> If you have any trouble with these see me during prep.
> 
> Chris 

Sir! Sir! Please Sir! I've finished mine, Sir!
-- 
Mike Smith
Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and   
Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre,     Internet:   m.smith@crc.ac.uk
Watford Rd, HARROW, Middx, HA1 3UJ                Janet:      m.smith@uk.ac.crc
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Alleged discrimination at UK ports/airports
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Jul20.145853.16193@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>
>	This seems to depend on the airport.  At San Francisco I was dragged
>	from the tail of the very long "other passports" line to the
>	"US Nationals" where we processed together (the way they prefer
>	to do it at SF).  The waving of strangely coloured passports and
>	photo IDs and pieces of official-looking paper by us caused great
>	consternation amongst those behind us.

Interesting.  Are you married to a US national, or do you just travel
together?  Ann and I aren't married, and while we usually do try to go
through customs together (a good idea, since we share our luggage)
we've never tried using the fact that we are travelling together to get
us into the same passport control line.

>	Ever try Dallas?  Friendliest immigration folks I ever met.
>	We had a very amiable conversation while somebody xeroxed my
>	passport in a back office.

No, never did use Dallas for international flights.  Had a lot of
family down there, though, including about 6 uncles/aunts/cousins (the
Darnells) who used to work for Braniff (when there was a Braniff, with
their 'flying jellybeans') and used to be based out of there.  I could
believe that 'traditional Southern hospitality' might have an effect,
though.  Virtually all my international flights, except 2 through SFO,
have been through airports in the NorthEast.  Pittsburgh is not too
bad.  Boston, and the various New York airports, are the pits.  Philly
and Washington are marginally better, but still nothing to write home
about.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:07:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Jul30.063812.22391@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>Dave Barry proposed a tax of $50,000 on every superflous "e" used
>for business purposes, "except in extreme cases, such as `ye olde
>shoppe', where the owner would just be taken outside and shot".
>I think it is kind of touching how, deep in their hearts, Americans
>know that all things British are better than all things American.


I'd just like to point out that "Ye Olde CD Shoppe" type shops in the UK are
usually tourist traps and charge accordingly.  Similarly any shop or product
name containing the word "traditional" has to be viewed as being suspect.






 

-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:17:48 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I wonder if anyone has experience of removing Kryptonite locks.
A wrecked bike is locked to my front garen railings and I would
like to ge rid of it. I am thinking of trying using a sledgehammer
to smash the "lock" bit, but I don't want to look a fool by
failing to do this in a public place!!

p.s. - I hope the relevance of this request to the original poster
is obvious without the sacrifice of his nice bike in the bike-theft
capital of the UK!!

-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)