HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kim@.cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Help Needed Opening PB100
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:01:37 GMT
Reply-To: kim@.cs.umass.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

My buddy is having a hard time opening his PB100 to upgrade the memory.
I told him I saw a posting here once that had some help.  Where can I
find this info again?  I didn't find anything useful in the faq.txt that
was at sumex-aim.

Thanks!

                            
   John Kim               Before you slip into unconsciousness 
                          I'd like to have another kiss...
                                                       (jm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: t89djo@tdb.uu.se (David Jonsson)
Subject: NuBus card for sVGA?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:12:30 GMT

What cards are accessible for driving a SVGA screen connected to a Macintosh?

David

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From: rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill Petro)
Subject: Best Price for Performa 600CD?
Organization: SunSoft, Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:05:25 GMT

What is the best price you've seen for the new Performa 600CD?

Here at Sears in Colorado Springs, it is $2500, with $430 for the
Performa Plus Monitor.

Are prices better in the San Francisco Bay Area?  How about Frys?

Bill "Rock" Petro
     Bill Petro      bill.petro@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
"UNIX for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"  Matthew 19:12
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: squeegee@world.std.com (Stephen C. Gilardi)
Subject: Re: Experience with CoStar's Stingray trackball?
Organization: SQ Software via The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:09:25 GMT

kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673) writes:

>The Kensington's trackball seems to be well-regarded, but I've read good 
>reports about CoStar's Stingray trackball, as well.  Anyone out there had any 
>experience with one? 

I love mine.  It has a very smooth action and is ergonomically wonderful.
I haven't tried the Kensington, but I did try the funny looking EMAC
one.  The ball is too big for me.  The only problem with the Stingray is
that it collects that greasy dirt like mice do very quickly.  I've found
that if I clean the bottom of the well where the ball sits frequently
(like once every couple of days), that in turn keeps the rollers pretty
clean for quite a while (like they need cleaning once a month or so).

Go for it, it's great!

>Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu

--Steve
squeegee@world.std.com
From: MATT.HARROP@argentic.gts.org (Matt Harrop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MAGIC Modems
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:03:44 GMT
Organization: Argentic BBS [Toronto, Ontario, Canada]

Does anyone out there have a MAGIC Modem?  They are advertised for about
$250 in MacWorld and MacUser.  $250 is great for a V.32bis modem if it's
reliable.  Any sugjestions?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
matt.harrop@argentic.gts.org 
or
Matt_Harrop@magicbb.uucp


Matt Harrop <MATT.HARROP@argentic.gts.org> OR <MATT.HARROP@argentic.uucp>
From: shiekh@ICTP.TRIESTE.IT (Andy Shiekh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 4 Megabit RAM chip self test
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:25:05 GMT


  I recall that the 4 Megabit RAM chip has a self test that the original
Mac II can trigger.
  I have a MacPlus on 1 MegaByte SIMMS (that use 2 4 Megabit chips), that
works fine, except for failing some stringent memory tests.
  I suspect false triggering of the self test and not the memory itself.

  Can anyone confirm or dispell this theory?


Andy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: wieser@acs.ucalgary.ca (Bernie Wieser)
Subject: need 68k cycle count
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 16:52:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

If anyone could direct me somewhere that I can get cycles per
instruction I would appreciate it.

(I've tried Motorola, but they keep transfering me around.
 If I can get this info. in electronic format, I'd be very
happy.)
-- 
Bernie Wieser
wieser@acs.ucalgary.ca
HYPROTECH.BW@applelink.apple.com
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac's Doomsday
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:11:54 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

seanw@mks.com (Sean Wilson) writes:

>I just bought a 486/33 with 8 meg of RAM, SVGA card with 1 MB, 120 MB hard
>drive, and a Trinitron .25dp monitor for $2200 Cdn.  What kind of 
>"equivalent" Mac can I get for that price?  Maybe a Classic II??!!

    If you shop right, probably a IIsi 5/80, with a non-Apple Trinitron
14". Which might not be "equivalent" in terms of processor power, will
most likely blow away that PC-clone for productivity.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
From: ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: yepson emudriver needed for mac
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:30:27 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Could someone please either uuencode and mail or direct me to
any anonymous FTP site that would have an epson 9 or preferably
24 pin driver for the mac.  Op better yet, panasonic 1124
driver for the mac.  Email at below address.  thanks!

Keith

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Organization: UNLV
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 02:14:39 GMT

In article <Nazedgi-051092162846@stiles-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Ivan) writes:
>
>Pda's are the wave of the future and Apple is going to sell trillions of
>them.  Yeah, right.  I wonder how a computer is going to be able to
>recognize handwriting when people sometimes can't even recognize their own.
> And even if the software would be so great that it could recognize all
>types of handwriting, why in the world would anyone want to buy a $900
>notepad.  I don't know what John Sculley thinks, but this new Apple product
>sound like a Lemon to me.


I think you are wrong. Considering the good sales of machines
like the Sharp Wizard and the Casio boss, the Newton
should wipe them out. Why? A fully equiped Wizard will
cost about the same as the Newton will. (apple expects
to be able to ship sub 600 dollar Newtons)

Newton will make a great Organizer, note taker,
fax machine, beeper, Messager (email etc), and more.
From: leonard@cs.UAlberta.CA (Leonard Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Envisio powerbook display adaptor - any good?
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:46:38 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

Hi - I finally found a place that had powerbook 100's instock - but
they are 2/20's with an envisio display adaptor card that adds 2 mb.
Are these cards any good - on a pb100 - will they drive a color display
with reasonable speed. (does the pb100 have color quickdraw in its roms?)
oh- the price was $999 for the above machine.
Thanks
/leonard
From: tegammk@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 030 Accelerators for the SE?
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:58:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <69130@hydra.gatech.EDU> tegammk@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Kazmierczak) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.090159.12037@nntp.hut.fi> sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen) writes:
>Yes. I have a Transwarp SE from Applied Engineering. I have the 40MHz w/FPU

2 other things.
The accelerator has a Radius Bus so that any external video board for a 
larger monitor which is Radius compatible will plug directly into it. Also, 
one may boot without the 68030 without any trouble.



-- 
Mike Kazmierczak
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia, 30332
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: s29749s@saha.hut.fi (Olli Johannes Arnberg)
Subject: Re: Deskjet on a mac?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:29:40

In article <1992Sep28.190833.11741@engr.uark.edu> dfm2@engr.uark.edu (Douglas Miles) writes:
   I need to know if there is a way to print from a mac to a Deskjet 500. I know
   I'd need a serial to paralell converter, but would the Deskwriter drivers work?
   If not, does HP have drivers that would? Any help would be appreciated....
   Thanks!

   Douglas Miles
   dfm2@engr.uark.edu

The new HPDJ3.0b0 does just that (or, in fact, you won't need any
serial to parallel converter).  Outputs DeskJets (I think all models)
and LaserJets (we have tested IIP (maybe there was an additional
letter after that) and it worked well).

The print driver is very soon in comp.sys.mac.binaries (and several
archives, too) and in ftp server 'nic.funet.fi' alias 'ftp.funet.fi'
alias 'FINFILES.BITNET' alias '128.214.6.100'.  The correct directory
will probably be 'pub/mac/printer".  (remember, the file server is
located in Finland and our line to USA is slow).

Olli Arnberg         Ari Mujunen
s29749s@saha.hut.fi  Ari.Mujunen@hut.fi

For correspondence, contact: hpdj-bugs@hut.fi
From: jrh@de.deere.com (John R. Howell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Maxtor SCSI Hard DRIVE (NOT RECOGNIZED)????
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:06:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Deere & Company

In article <geb1.716943402@Isis.MsState.Edu>, geb1@ra.msstate.edu
(Granville Barker) wrote:
> 
> I have a Maxtor 120 Meg Scsi Hard drive that I have been using on my 386 PC,
> and decided to hook it to my mac.

I recently tried something similar with a Maxtor 340MB drive.  I tried to
move it from a RS6000 to my IIfx. The short version is it took lots of
time, money, and frustration and it still didn't work.

The long version is I called Maxtor and talked with them.  They said I
would need to buy a different firmware chip and then it would work fine.  I
spent the $50 or so and then tried that.  At this point I believe I could
have used the drive on another Mac, but my IIfx still wouldn't work with
it.  Of course I have contacted them about returning the firmware chip for
refund, but they have gone deaf.

I do not know if you would have better luck or not.

John Howell
Deere & Company
(The Big Green Tractor People)
jrh@de.deere.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.m68k
From: hees@cubic.com (Phil Hees)
Subject: Re: 68050
Organization: Cubic Toll Systems
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:10:41 GMT

In article <D2150035.eh3q9a@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
>
>I expect that Intel was able to trademark the name P5 so that AMD
>and friends can't some out with something of their own called the
>P5, as they do now with the 386.

No, the name P5 really is a temporary project name - it won't be called
the P5 when it's officially announced.  Intel has been using P(n) code
names since at least the 386SX (which was called the P2).

--
Phil Hees
hees@cubic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: HD activity light in IIsi
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:49:48 GMT

jimy@vlsidsp.ece.wisc.edu (Jim K. H. Yu) writes:
: I always wanted a HD activity indicator for my IIsi.
: I've looked at software solutions, but they are not as nice as a
: real LED.
: Yesterday, I found out that the Quantum HD in the IIsi (like many
: other HDs) has a connector for a LED to indicate HD access.
: What the heck, I said to myself, the power-on LED has no other
: function then to indicate that the computer is on. I can tell that
: by looking at the monitor (or, in case the monitor is bad, listening
: to the fan, which is not difficult at all).
: So, I removed the 2 wires from the power-on LED and plugged them to 
: the connector on the HD. It works marvelously.
: You may be thinking that you can tell when the HD is accessing by
: listening to it, which is also not too dificult, but you'll be
: surprised to find out that the HD noise does not always mathch 
: access activity.

I wouldn't do this, you can't be sure the HD can driver the LED directly. You
could either burn the LED or burn the HD if they're not function together.

I heard about someone who had a HD with a small LED on-board. He simply took
a small piece of optical fibre and led it out of the box. Works like a charm
and doesn't require that you do anything dangerous.

/Mats
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: New Rumors: no US IIvi, crippled LC ...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:28:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.002312.26642@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes:

One comment on the availability question:  is this really such a
big deal?   The current Mac product line seems reasonably complete 
even without European Performas or IIvis for the US.

As for particulars:

>- Push-eject FDHD (yep - killing the auto-eject feature.  Bad move,
>especially on a machine-for-the-masses.  How many novices do you know
>that have push-ejected disks during access on DOS, Amiga, or Atari
>machines?  Yep - bad juju here.)

This might not be such a bad thing.  The Mac-only auto-eject feature
is at least partly responsible for the huge price difference between
Mac and PC high-density floppy drives.  Not that it necessarily costs
that much more to make, but the Mac FDHD is single-sourced from Sony,
which means no competition and much less sales volume to drive prices
down.  If Apple went one step further and stopped supporting the 
400 and 800K formats, floppy drive prices might go from the current
$250+ to more like $65.  

It's silly for Apple to support a floppy drive that costs them more
than the hard disks they typically use;  this looks like a smart move.

>- No SCSI.  (Yow!  The internal 40MB drive for this Mac "Yugo" would be
>an IDE drive.  The throws a lot of the vaunted Mac expandability and
>convenience-of-adding-perephials right out the window.)

Performance-wise, IDE and SCSI are similar.  My understanding is that
most PC controller cards support 4 devices, which certainly should 
be enough for an entry-level machine.  Volume discounts on IDE drives
often mean better end-user prices, so this also is not such a bad
idea, IMHO ...

>According to the Knife, Apple's waiting on this to let the 3rd party
>folks at the market for the new CD-ROM engine first.  Great for
>relations with them, but all the folks hungry for a faster CD-ROM for
>their QuickTime clips can't be too happy with this.

As of the CDSC 150, Apple isn't making its CD-ROM drives anymore,
so again, this is not necessarily a bad move.  Apple should focus
on doing what it does well, leaving Powerbooks to Toshiba (right?)
and CD-ROM drives to a company that does it well.

Faster CD-ROM would definitely be welcome -- and as far as I'm 
concerned, they ought to abandon the low-RPM audio mode altogether,
or at least make it a pay-extra feature.  When data CD was first
introduced, audio CD was expensive and data CDs were rare, so the
audio capability helped convince people to buy.  Not necessary now.
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
From: ce_rupn@pavo.concordia.ca (RUPNIK, CHRISTOPHER E.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Boca modems and a MAC
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:30:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,
 I seem to be having some problems properly hooking up a Boca
 14.4 v42, v32 bis and Fax modem to a mac.

 When i dial in at 9600 (no v32 or anything) it just hangs after the 
 CONNECT message.

 I have tried two comm packages, and neither one worked (or both got
 as far as the other: Z-term and White Knight)

 Am i missing something, the modem cannot connect at 2400 or 1200 baud
 either. help!!!

 I am asking this because it seems another person could not get the 
 Boca to connect to his mac! 

 ce_rupn@pavo.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Eric.Choi@p5.f57.n7000.z8.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: ** Hard drive in Classic II mounted UPSIDE-DOWN?!? **
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7000/57.5 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:55:33 GMT

Still in search of the best dim sum place in Michigan! 

  
  cu> Imagine my astonishment when I find that the 40MB hard drive in my
  cu> Classic II is actually mounted UPSIDE-DOWN!
  cu> 
  cu> If memory serves, running a hard drive upside-down voids the warranty
  cu> on the hard drive.  From the looks of it, this is NOT a mistake.  The
  cu> bracket is apparently designed to allow the hard drive to mounted in
  cu> only the one (WRONG) orientation.
  cu> 
  cu> The drive is mounted above the floppy, but there is plenty of room to
  cu> run the hard drive in its proper orientation.
  cu> 
  cu> Has anybody else who has looked inside of a Classic II seen this?  I
  cu> can't believe that Apple would actually do something so grossly wrong
  cu> inside of a machine that costs $1200.  As soon as I find an external
  cu> case, that hard drive is coming OUT and run in its proper orientation.
  cu> Anybody have an exteral case they want to sell?  I'm serious.....
  cu> 
  cu> Shame on you Apple!  You certainly should know better.
  cu> 
  cu> ______________________________________________________________________
  cu> _ II Chris Freemesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech.   I'd rather have a bottle  
  cu> II II BITNET: clf3678@ritvax                 in front of me.....      
  cu> II II Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu           .....than have a frontal 
  cu> II II GEnie: C.FREEMESSER                       L O B O T O M Y ! ! ! 
  cu> II
  cu> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
  cu> --- AMB v6.33
  cu>  * Origin: zeus.ieee.org * [140.98.1.1] (1:107/10)

Are you sure it is mounted upside down? Or is it because the circuit baord
part is on top, and you concluded the actual hard drive part is upside down?
From my brief experience in installing and removing HDs, I thought holes for
the mounting screws are placed at specific intervals and you can only mount it
one way?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Help-HardDrive Crash
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:27:59 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-21708]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu

I purchased a 105 meg HD in an external case about a year ago, took it out and
swapped it with the 40meg Sony in my CX.  The 40meg Sony external has worked
fine until about 2 weeks ago.  I had to move the system and when I hooked up
the external drive the system did not recognize it.  The drive spun and when I
booted the machine the light in the drive came on showing that the CPU looks
for it  on the SCSI chain (it's #6).  However it is not on the Desktop.
When I try to update the driviers on the disk with HD SC Setup it can't find it
on the SCSI chain.  However if I run SCSI Director 1.7.2 it finds it at the
SCSI #6 and shows it as a SRD2040A.  When I try to mount it I get a message
about sense hex stuff not being ready???  What does it all mean Mr. Natural?
The reason I'm asking all these questions is I'd like to recover some of the
data on the disk.  Thus I haven't tried reformatting.  When I run Norton
Utilities 2.0 it can't seem to find it on the SCSI chain?   Any advice on how
to recover the data on the disk would be appreciated.
Also I see various ads in MacUser for data recovery off crashed disks.  Can
they usually recover data?  How much do they charge?  The stuff on here is not
that important but it belongs to someone else!

Thanks in advance, Rick 'hoping this isn't in a FAQ I couldn't find' Boebel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mlaurenc@world.std.com (Matt Laurence)
Subject: Help... weird bugs...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:18:49 GMT

Help, oh help!

I am running a Mac IIcx under system 7.0xx whatever the latest 
freeware upgrade and tuner are. I also am running  a Daystar
50 mhz accelerator with FPU, and a dgr 128 meg optical cart.
drive. None of this may matter, though. The problem is that
when I go to optimize my drive in MacTools (latest v.), it tells
me it can't because there are major errors in my catalog. So I
go to fix them with MacTools, and it tells me it CAN'T fix the
errors in my catalog structure, missing bundle bits, all kind of
little things. As a result, my drive is massively unoptimized
and seemingly unrepairable. Any ideas? Would reinstalling the
system help me out? Anything else? I don't think it's software
conflicts, nor does the Daystar board cause any problems that
I can pin down, nor the DGR software. Any ideas would be helpful...
I don't want to have to trash everything and reload from the last
backup (*gulp*, a month ago... shame on me).

Thanks.

Matt
From: cent@u.washington.edu (bob cent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SE fan replacement
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:41:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep30.224106.2913
Organization: university of washington

Greetings,

I have an SE with a noisey fan.  I seem to recall that once there was a
discussion on c.s.m.h about which were good substitute fans.


Thanks.

Bob Cent, Engineering Technician
cent@u.washington.edu
Seattle, Washington
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From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Price of Macintosh Plus with Ultradrive 20
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:15:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep25.191704.16166@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> marc@gauss.math.mcgill.ca (Marc Sokolowski) writes:
>
>	Hello Everybody,
>
>	Did you read my post about the Mac II Plus and the Ultradrive 20?
>Well, a minor correction is: The Macintosh II Plus never existed, it's the
>Mac Plus that interests me instead. So send me your estimates for the above
>couple.
>
>						Marc

I like my Mac II gs myself.  It networks so well with my Mac IIe and
my "portable" IIc+.  :-)

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   I would rather have a frontal lobotomy than Windows NT!
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