HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:55:55 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct1.211000.13926@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.082535.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article <14049.2aca2172@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>> In article <1992Sep29.223717.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>>      Here's an interesting little piece I found in the October 5
>>>> National Review (pg. 12, col. 2):
>>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>  [article deleted...you've already seen it]
>> 
>>> HOHOHO! HA HA HA! HEEHEEHEEHEEHEE :) _National Review_. That's a good one.
>>> NOW GO AWL UNDER YOUR ROCK UNTIL NEXT ELECTION OK?
>>> 
>>> -Garrett
>>
>>    You didn't have a problem when I quoted a story from the
>>New Republic (by no means a bastion of conservatism) last week.  
>>This National Review report was posted to provide "equal time."
> 
> Nor is the New Republic a bastion of liberalism, unless you're planted
> so far to the right than anything left of the NR or the Washington
> Times is considered liberal.  [admonition deleted]

     I guess I've been spending too much time reading the
anti-federalist papers.  :-)  (And to think the Federalists
were the liberals of their days...)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: KILL THE RICH!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:05:23 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep26.203015.28098@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|> [The discussion was about cars being more necessary here, remember?
|> Now, if someone can't afford to live close to where they need to be,
|> doesn't that seem to say that they need a car (given that the typical
|> public transportation net is a joke)?  Seems like I often wind up
|> addressing things taken out of context with you, John, and I'm not
|> sure why that is.]

It's not out of context.  If you need a car to get where you have to
go, and you can't afford a car, then you can't afford to live there
either.  What's so hard about living where you can afford to live?

-- 
John Iacoletti       IBM AWD Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"It takes a big man to cry.  And it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
                                                              -- Jack Handey
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From: tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:46:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.212515.29063@sbctri.sbc.com> asper@time.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.204242.1970@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens) writes:
>>
>>WRONG, INCORRECT, FALSE.  To prove that the Bible is entirely symbolic,
>>
>>Little child, it is easy to dream up (and obtain from history) examples 
>>
>>Well, I dare say much better than you.  To be exact, since you thought
>>highly enough of yourself to give us all a lesson in english, let me
>>give you a lesson in language and language processing.  
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, haven't you been taught this?
>
>
>Gosh, it's like "Battle if the Network Pomposities". From your tone,
>you must have received your BA about, oh, four months ago. Now you're
>smoking fat cigarettes and hanging out in coffee bars, very conspicuously
>reading Rimbaud, looking world-weary, and musing on the innate coolness
>of graduate school.  
>You must be a babe MAGNET.
>
>Alan

No, not a BA but my two BS's in 87, my MSEE 90 and am now working on my 
PhD.  Please note that I am leaving out my work experience.  As far as 
my social life, I'm willing to bet it's better than yours.

Now, if you bothered to read the post I was responding to, you would 
of understood that I was not the one who started the pompous tone.  I 
was only using the same tone, though not nearly as self rightous, as 
the original poster.  However, judging from your lack luster comment, 
reading the entire post to which I was replying to is probably beyond
your ability.  Hell, from your comment, most readers will see that you
didn't even understand my post.

I pity you Alan, for carrying your innate hatred of the intellectual
elite.

tag



Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: usa,tx
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.020026.24764@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.202919.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>
>>How very kind of you to point out to all the Dems. why their tax and spend (oh,
>>sorry, this year it's "investing in America") liberal policies just don't add
> 
>    In my dictionary and that of many other people who are able to see and
>think for themselves,
> 
>    Tax And Spend = George H.W. Bush
> 
>    Borrow And Spend = Ronald Reagan
> 
>    Steal And Spend = Richard Nixon
> 
>    
>    Labels don't mean anything anymore, facts and records do. 

Absolutely!  Clinton's home state has the SECOND LOWEST tax burden of
any state!  I think that's the kind of record that it takes to show
that Bush is just blowing hot air.

By the way, most state taxes have gone up because Reagan (and now Bush)
have been saving federal money by cutting state aide.  It's just a shift
of who does the collection.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
From: groenvel@brown.crayola.cs.psu.edu (John D Groenveld)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: pat buchanan's convention speech
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:10:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

I am looking for some quotes out of his speech but don't have the time
read the transcript. Mainly Im looking for his and any other Republican
which could be deemed racist or intolerant ("religious and cultural war"
Basically im having a discussion with a republican who asked which 
republican leaders were racist and i need some quotes.
John

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|groenvel@crayola.cs.psu.edu         |   Not necessarily stoned, but   |
|groenvld@eclx.psu.edu               |           beautiful."           |
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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: WEE WEENIE WILLIE
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:09:04 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
: !  Thank Goddess Clinton is more on his toes
: > than ol' Dukakis was.
: "Goddess Clinton"? Indeed. I don't think I could have said it better.

O, ye of thick skull and little knowledge.  Ellie said "Thank Goddess
Clinton..." in the way that many people would say "Thank God, Clinton...."

Ellie apparently views the Almighty as a feminine figure, and chooses
to refer to Her as "Goddess."

Of course, you, being the "ARCH-conservative" (would that make you a 
Fascist?), would never realize that there are religions and religious
views differing from fundy Christianity.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:13:20 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: usa,tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Oct5.094215.16800@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
>	Pissing away all our money?  Hmm...  Again, see "Russia".  If we don't
>recognize and REALIZE that what happened there could just as easily happen
>here, then we deserve to fall apart.

In Russia's case, the government was the industry.  The state owned
everything.  If the state owned GM, for example, I'd be worried about
the prospect of continued car production.  It doesn't, so I'm not
worried about the car industry going straight to hell overnight.
-- 
John F. Haugh II           [  TSAKC  ]       UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151    [ DoF #17 ]            Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,soc.rights.human,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Legalizing drugs (was Re: Clinton's Gestapo/Plan for takeover)
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.201713.23940@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP 
 (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) opines:

>"But, Andrew, the bill of rights establishes certain rights which
>cannot be infringed."
>   Freedom of religion  --- You cannot pray in public schools --- even if   
>                            you want to.

Thatafact?  I seem to recall praying dozens of times when _I_ was in
public school.  What were you trying to do, Andrew, take out your prayer
rug during the middle of a lesson?

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mge1@cec1.wustl.edu (Michael Gatchalian Escano)
Subject: T.V. and Speaches
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:58:13 GMT

Satellite Schedules for Tueasday 9/28

1.

Al Gore Iraq-Gate speech,  Washington  D.C. 

9:00 am CDT		10:00 am EDT

	COORDINATES

satellite:		Galaxy 6
transponder:		5
uplink frequency:	6025
downlink frequency:	3800
audio:			6.2/6.8


2.

Clinton rally

11:00 am CDT		12:00am EDT

	COORDINATES

satellite:		Galaxy 6
transponder:		19
uplink frequency:	6305
downlink frequency:	4080
audio:			6.2/6.8

Great viewing
Jock Gill
Little Rock



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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Economic Questions
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:48:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <a39dpyz@Unify.Com>, dbrus.Unify.Com.mwm@unify.uucp (Michael
Madigan) wrote:

> Which president managed the economy best to produce:
> 1) Highest growth in gross domestic product?
> 
> 2) Highest growth in jobs?
> 
> 3) Biggest increase in personal disposable income after taxes?
> 
> 4) Highest growth in industrial production?
> 
> 5) Biggest rise in hourly wages?
> 
> 6) Lowest Misery Index(inflation + unemployment)?
> 
> 7) Lowest Inflation?
> 
> 8) Lowest interest rates on long-term treasury bonds?


And let's look at the answers with my comments provided in brackets.

> 1) Harry Truman        [Coming out of a war]
> 2) Jimmy Carter        [Ditto]
> 3) Lyndon Johnson      [War]
> 4) John F Kennedy      [Space research]
> 5) Johnson             [War]
> 6) Truman              [Coming out of a war]
> 7) Truman              [Coming out of a war]
> 8) Truman              [Coming out of a war]
> 


--
Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
Apple's)
athos@apple.com

HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to Barbara Boxer.
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From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: George's lie of the day (was: Qyl more charitable?)
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:57:40 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

In article <1992Oct5.092345@IASTATE.EDU>, danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:
> In article <1992Oct4.064406.4107@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
> bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes:
> 
>    GHWB has been claiming the best farm income in history for our farmers this
> year.  Todays Des Moines Register had a story saying that Bush's own
> agriculture department statistics indicate that in absolute numbers the last
> three years have been a little better.  If one adjusts for inflation, however,
> these same statistics indicate farm income was higher in each of the five
> previous administrations.  Apparently George thinks farmers are illiterate
> nitwits?
> 
 
>    I'd not be adverse to seeing Democratic lies posted either.  They have been
> much more subtle this time around and studying them will help me with my
> communications skills :) :) more than the Republican ones.  
Interesting that you mention lies... I refer you to my "coup de grace:CLINTON
Cowardice" I would like to see more Dems. address that. 

> Dan
> Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
From: lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Job Creation (Arkansas vs. USA)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 03:57:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

Please, Mr Valdes, I'm a strong SUPPORTER of Clinton. Don't be so angry.

In article <48089@shamash.cdc.com> rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
>In article <1a38eiINNr8c@agate.berkeley.edu>, lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:

>|> Re-formatted (watch your line-lengths!)

>I do watch my line length.  It just so happens that whether they fit on
>your display or not depends on the software you are using to read this.

I'm using an 80-column screen with a fixed-width font, as I dare
say, most of your readers.

>Wrong again.  I did not misinterpret the statistic, because I did not
>interpret it at all.  I was quoting, just quoting, what was said by
>James Carville, who was quoting Lynn Martin.  I do not believe or
>disbelieve anything either.  I just wanted to share with other people
>what I had heard.  Since you _believe_ that it is not true what Lynn
>Martin (Bush's Secretary of Labor) stated, would you please share
>with us the data on which you base your disbelief?

The statistic was that Arkansas had more job growth than the rest of the
USA put together. I DO believe the statistic. What I was trying to point
out was that it is not as impressive as you may think. (Thus, it's a
great number to bash Bush with, and he deserves it.) Here's why: TOTAL
job creation under Bush has been near zero. (Outside of government,
negative.) That's because California has LOST jobs. Likewise many other
big states.

Therefore any state with even modest job growth did better than the
other 49, because the other 49 include CA, NY, etc.

It may be that job growth in Ark outpaced the other states that did
well, but this doesn't seem to have been implicit in your claim.

andy
From: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Job Creation (Arkansas vs. USA)
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:25:37 GMT
Reply-To: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)

In article <Bv7oL9.HCK.2@cs.cmu.edu>, anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
|> In article <47895@shamash.cdc.com> rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
|> >An amazing bit of statistical data:
|> >
|> ...
|> >
|> >Another piece of information from this morning interview:  Arkansas, under the
|> >allegedly "tax-and-spend" Governor Clinton has the second lowest tax burden 
|> >among all the states in the USA.  Does the label stick?
|> 
|> Yes, it truly is amazing.  A state with one of the lowest average income levels
|> in the country also has one of the lowest "tax burdens".  Will wonders never 
|> cease?
|> 
|> >
|> >  Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com       | 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Anwar Mohammed                FREE       Graduate Student
|> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu              THE       School of Computer Science
|> Voice: +1 412 268 3043     KUWAITI       Carnegie-Mellon University
|> Fax:   +1 412 681 5739        POWS       Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890

The above is a perfect example of distorting somebody's statement and then 
attacking the distorted statement as if it had been originally presented in
its new form.  Talk about taking something out of context!  Mr. Mohammed
replaced the fact that I had qualified of amazing with three tiny suspension
points (...) to make it look like what I called "Another piece of information"
was the subject of my introductory phrase.  When I was talking about an 
amazing fact, I was referring to the job creation in Arkansas in the last two
years, which according to Lynn Martin, Bush's Secretary of Labor, was higher
than in all other 49 states combined.  Of course, I realize that in some states
jobs were probably lost.   I also understand that if the numbers are very low
all over the place, creating a couple of hundred jobs would be enough to
beat the rest of the USA.  I also do not necessarily assume that all the credit 
for job creation in any given state goes to its governor.  However, no matter 
how you look at it, it is really surprising that in any two given years more 
jobs could be created in a state like Arkansas than in all the rest of the USA.

On another note, the tax burden referred to in the second paragraph is to
be understood as a percentage of income.  Thus, how high or how low the 
average income level of given state is, is totally irrelevant to the tax 
burden.  Wealthy states can have low tax burdens and viceversa.  One
does not follow from the other.

  Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com       | 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: mci41087@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Occaisionally)
Subject: Re: Pro-Abortion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:07:32 GMT

Once again Mr. Wganer has shown his true intellectual colors.  I am against
abortion myself, sir, and find people like you a tremendous liability to my    
cause.  I wish your type would think before they talk.  Then again, fascists
have never been good at making friends.

Matt I.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
From: williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams)
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:16:04 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Sep29.223717.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, by cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu:
>      Here's an interesting little piece I found in the October 5
> National Review (pg. 12, col. 2):
> 
>      In this corner, Al Gore, apostle of charity, compassion, and
>      saving the earth.  His opponent, Dan Quayle -- avatar of
>      Republican greed and selfishness.  Tax returns show that the 
>      two had similar incomes last year.  Guess which one gave more
>      to charity?  Of course.  The Quayles gave $5,670, or 3 per cent
>      of their income, while the Gores gave $1,727 -- less than 
>      1 per cent.  Maybe Mr. Gore was trying to strengthen the case
>      for federal poverty programs.
> 
> It looks like Gore, the media-proclaimed moderate, is really just
> another hypocritical bleeding heart -- since his public rhetoric
> dwarfs his private generosity.
> 
>      C. Perttunen

Now hold it there one ding-danged minute.  Do you KNOW to which
charities the the Quayles donated?  A lot of rich people's charity
giving goes to the opera, symphony, and moldy art gallery of their
choice.  Nothing  wrong with that, but it doesn't have a lot to do
with the traditional definition of charity.

I would ask you to reserve judgement until you get all the facts, but
from the tone of this post, you made up your mind some time during the
Eisenhower administration.  Go back to sleep -- we'll wake you for the
millenium.
--
Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu
"I'm tired of being nice to people who're full of shit" -- Me
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Re: Why support child abuse?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:15:31 GMT

In article <31097@goofy.Apple.COM> usenet@Apple.COM (USENET Administrator) writes:
>Why would anyone wish to support a governer [Clinton] who's state is one of
>the leading states in corporal punishment?  You know, where they paddle
>public school children's behind with a wooden paddle heavier than a wooden
>baseball bat and wider.  Sometimes with holes in it so it stings?

I'd guess that it's because there's more than one national problem at stake
in this election.  For instance, there's education in general:  would it be
a good thing for the general level of education in English to improve to the
point that a netter 
  1. knows the difference between "whose" and "who is", 
  2. can handle plurals well enough to avoid stating that several children
     share a single behind, 
  3. is capable of describing objects without resorting to magic (i.e. a pad-
     dle that sometimes has holes in it and sometimes doesn't),
  4. knows when the phrase "you know" is meaningless, 
  5. puts adjectives adjacent to each other when they modify the same phrase,
     and
  6. knows how to transform sentence fragments into complete sentences?
"goofy" fails in all six of these points in his/her post above.  All six were
taught in my part of the country by the end of 5th grade.  Ought education in
social studies improve to the point where a netter knows the difference be-
tween city, county, state, and federal responsibilities?  (Corporal punish-
ment is a Board of Education responsibility (generally county, although it
varies by state) and policy may vary from school to school within a Board of
Education's jurisdiction.)  This was a topic covered in the 8th grade in my
part of the country, but "goofy" apparently didn't learn it.

If you really can't fathom why the citizens of Arkansas reelected Clinton 5
times maybe you should ask an Arkansan.  Maybe, just maybe, they considered
more than one issue.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244
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