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From: altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: McLaren's new semi-automatic gearbox...
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:38:46 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

What I've heard about the McLaren semi-automatic gearbox,is that it shifts to
the next gear only when the engine is ready to do so.That is,unlike the
Williams gearbox which responds immediately to the driver's commands,the
McLaren system will not downshift or upshift if the engine is not in the right
rpm range,depending on the car's speed and so on.Lots of questions come up
though.How does the system distinguish between slowing down and accelerating?
What if in a small straight the car is supposed to rev up only up until the 5th
gear but not change into 6th? If with one flick of the switch the computer
changes as many gears it takes to stay in the engine's powerband,what happens
when the car is slowing down,say after the race is over? Imagine Senna going
around in 1st gear and 14,000 rpm??

The McLaren semi-automatic gearbox sounds very strange,from what I've heard so
far.It should really be very tough for the drivers to get used to it,but more
importantly it will be very tough to make it work well under race conditions,if
the case is that a computer decides not only when but also how many shifts are
needed.I think that a gearbox that strictly responds to the driver's commands
coupled with a rev limiter,is all one needs to drive a F1 car fast and without
taking the hands off the steering wheel.Ferrari and Williams have proven that
this is a very successful system.In Brazil,it was obvious that Senna had a very
hard time changing the gears in the new McLaren,and that's why Schumacher
briefly overtook him in the front straight early in the race.It was a clear
case of a missed gearchange.Also,the fact that for the entire time that Senna
was in the race,he was leading a pack of at least 10-12 cars,means that he was
not fast enough in and out of the corners,and that may partly be attributed to 
less than optimal gear selections/changes.Senna slowed Schumacher down all the
time,but the young German didn't have the stomach to overtake him,and I don't
blame him for that! But still,that means that things did not go well with the
new gearbox.Also,it looked as if Senna had enough with it and called it a day
because he was pissed with the car's poor performance,not necassarily because
the gearbox broke down,but that is pure speculation.

Could anybody provide more info on this subject? Has anything appeared in any
magazine??

Alex Tsourinakis
Vassar College
From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: movie review
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:15:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Originator: lallo@squonk.stsci.edu


In article <1992Apr15.153344.1066@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@balltown.cma.com (richard welty) writes:


|> anyway, the prince of tides really sucks.  dont bother.
|> 
|> richard
|> -- 
|> richard welty                            518-393-7228
|> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com


See! Every now and then you can get useful tips off the net!

Matt
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: David Wells-Mansell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:40:36 GMT

     I would have to agree with you that Mansell's spin at Imola in 1989
was one of the most fantastic recoveries of all time. However, Imola is
the Grand Prix of San MArino, not the Italian Grand Prix, which is in Monza.


Cory Padfield

From: Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson)
Sender: postmaster@aisbbs.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Moss
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 23:46:02

On April 5 Thomas Cohen wrote:

TC> As Stirling Moss put it "you may drive fast, you may even win races but
TC> unless you take every corner as fast as you can, you're not a racing
TC> driver" (quote necessarily mangled by memory.)

I just saw my copy of "All But My Life" recently and thought it was
about time to read it again, but I can't seem to find it right
now...  Oh, well, this is still not word for word, but I believe
the quote was closer to "A driver who consistently drives at 9/10
of what he and the car are capable of may make a name for himself,
and might even win an occasional race, but he is NOT a racing
driver."  (Loosely quoted from "All But My Life", Stirling Moss as
told to Ken Purdy)

                                   rj
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From: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna bashing
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:56:01 GMT
Reply-To: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <mferrare.702533571@adelphi>,
 mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto) writes:
 
|> As we all bitch about the greatest driver of all time - how about the 
|> greatest team of all time?  

Er, doesn't "ALL TIME" include the future?

Isn't this a silly discussion, trying to draw conclusions about what is
yet to be?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rs3596@thor.albany.edu (Robert B Scott)
Subject: Re: Bristol: Any comments? I missed it on TV....
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:34:56 GMT


>It is apparent that NASCAR doesn't plan to do anything to change Fords 
dominance

I heard that they are going to make the Birds change there roof starting it 
Talladega

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: F1 Trivia Question Time
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:50:45 GMT

The F1 trivia question for today is:

Has Ayrton Senna ever DNQ'd (not qualified for a F1 race)?

If yes, say when and where.

Closed book test (well, try at least).

replies to taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu.  First correct will be posted.

If this catches on I'll do some more.  On the other hand, let me know
if you don't want this sort of thing.

Ross Taylor

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Please Mario, its time!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:07:40 GMT

In article <181082@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>
>Get a clue Mario, retire now, don't try to wait until the end of '93!
>
>Dan Jones

While I agree with Dan that Mario is becoming more and more dangerous to
be near as time goes by, there is one thing that makes me not want him to
retire before 1993, and that reason is:  Michael Andretti.
With any luck this year Michael will win the one thing that has eluded
him so far - the Indianapolis 500.  If he does that then I expect him to
go to Formula 1 in 1993 (probably with Ferrari, assuming they get their
act together this year). I would not like to see Michael exposed to the
F1 media circus (which itself encourages primadonna driver attitudes) with
Mario by his side.  Get him away from Mario and he stands a much better
chance of turning into a reasonable human being - he's already started!
From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: top 10 in F1
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:57:30 GMT
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Latest Top 10 (or so):

Wins:
Prost	   44
Senna	   33
Stewart	   27
Clark	   25
Lauda	   25
Fangio	   24
Mansell	   24
Piquet	   23
Moss	   16
Brabham	   14
Fittipaldi 14

Poles:
Senna	   60
Clark 	   33
Fangio	   29
Lauda	   25
Piquet	   24
Mansell	   20
Prost	   20
Arnoux	   17
Andretti   17
Stewart	   16
Moss	   16

Fastest Laps:
Prost	   34
Clark	   28
Mansell	   24
Piquet	   24
Lauda	   24
Fangio	   23
Moss	   19
Senna	   17
Berger	   15
Regazzoni  15
Stewart	   15

Make Wins:
Ferrari	   98
McLaren	   94
Lotus	   79
Williams   54
Brabham	   35
Tyrrell	   23
BRM	   17
Cooper	   16
Renault	   15
Alfa Romeo 10

Make Poles:
Lotus	   107
Ferrari	   104
McLaren	   60
Williams   40
Brabham	   39
Renault	   31
Tyrrell	   13
Cooper	   12
Alfa Romeo 12
Cooper	   10
Maserati   10

Make Fastest Laps:
Ferrari	   115
Lotus	   72
McLaren	   66
Brabham	   41
Williams   40
Tyrrell	   19
Renault	   17
Maserati   17
Cooper	   15
Alfa Romeo 14

Engine Wins:
Ford	   159
Ferrari	   103
Honda	   66
Climax	   40
Renault	   34
Porsche	   26
BRM	   18
Alfa Romeo 12
Maserati   11
BMW	   9
Vanwall	   9
Mercedes   9

Engine Poles:
Ford	   131
Ferrari	   110
Honda	   73
Renault	   61
Climax	   45
Alfa Romeo 15
BMW	   15
BRM	   11
Maserati   11
Mercedes   8

Engine Fastest Laps:
Ford	   147
Ferrari	   120
Honda	   56
Climax	   45
Renault	   38
BMW	   23
Alfa Romeo 20
Maserati   19
Porsche	   18
BRM	   12
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From: Tim Dudley
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:17:20 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything 
about this?  Possibility is that the year is wrong, but they definitely
said Honda...

Tim
From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Pheonix Indycar Race (Spoiler!!)
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:08:40 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

In article <1992Apr5.233643.11124@rti.rti.org> jbp@rti.rti.org writes:

>This spoils the result for those who don't want to know about the
>Pheonix Indycar race.  [I sure am a lot nicer than that idiot Paul
>Page who blurted out the winner of the Brazilian GP before we here
>in the USA could see the tape delay late Sunday night!  Sheesh...]

>last chance to quit....

>Yes, Yes, Yes!!  Rahal looked great and was a deserving winner.  But
>because of a local power outage, I did not get to see the first 20
>laps of the race.  What happened to Michael Andretti?
 
Michael's car had trouble during the pace laps before the race started.  He
pitted and his team (I think) replaced some electronics...  Also, before
the green flag, Mashishuta (sp?) had trouble out on the track and had to
be towed back to the pits.  The Green flag waved while Michael, who was the
pole-sitter, was in the pits.  I think he got back out 10 laps behind the
leader.
--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu
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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: GOBS Pick6: apology and further instructions ====
Keywords: NASCAR WG GOBS Pick6
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:52:11 GMT


This is an apology to all those who participate in the GOBs Pick-6.
"freedom", our SGI machine, has now been down since last Wednesday
due to unexpected complications that arose during a system upgrade.
Due to this, I have been unable to post the Darlington results, as
I can't get at the files.

Also due to this, I have only received about 20 picks for Bristol.
Due to this, I am declaring Bristol "no contest".  To avoid future
problems of this kind, I am moving the contest administration to
another machine.  The new address is:

cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov

This machine is a Sun-4 that has a history of being reliable, and
it should be known everywhere that freedom is known.

Since our news service has already been moved to this machine, if you
reply to this article, your picks will go to the right place.  Also, use
this new address for any other correspondence.  Picks will continue to
be accepted at freedom.msfc.nasa.gov for some time, provided that it's
working.  :-(

The next event is North Wilkesboro, this weekend.  The format and
longshot list remain the same.  Darlington results will be posted
as soon as I can get at the files, which may not be for several
more days.

Once again, my apologies.  I am trying not to let this thing fall
apart; I don't want to have happen what happened to the F1 Pick6
last year.  One thing that will help is that I finally got a terminal
server connection installed in my new office, so I can rejoin the
regular traffic pattern.  (For the last two weeks, I've been having
to drive to another site to get any access to anything.  It's been
a major pain.)  If you have problems, you can try my office at
(205) 461-4517 (NEW NUMBER), but there's no voice mail yet.
From: unglenie@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mario, oh Mario.... Anyone home ?!?
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:04:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <7cyjjq#@lynx.unm.edu> trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.155724.23623@NOC.Vitalink.COM> edc@noc.vitalink.com writes:
>>  (stuff deleted about mario and cheever)
>>
>>A.J. has accepted the fact that there are better, faster drivers out 
>>there now and that he's not on top anymore. 
>>
>>  (more stuff deleted)
>>
>I agree, but wasn't it just a bit sad to see AJ signing autographs 
>assembly-line-style as ABC went to a commercial?
>
>-s

Not really.  What is truly sad is when "sports legends" give you their
autograph.... in exchange for a twenty.

Rob U, just TRY getting a Mears/Fittipaldi sig when Penske's around
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From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:46:37 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <johnl.222z@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.161720.23258@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
>>I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
>>has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything 
>>about this?  Possibility is that the >


Sounds likely, there has been a lot of talk of BMW powering
McLaren's in '94. One should notice that BMW are designing 
the engine for the McLaren road-car, not Honda! It is
a 6.0 litre V12. BM also introduced recently two new V8's for their
own road-cars, a 4.0, 3.0. The 3l is said to be much smoother
and powerful than the present V6 incumbent. I would expect
Honda to get out soon, just like Lancia did last year. As their
spokesman said ' it is news if you lose, and just normal
if you win'. Hence been beaten by Renault this year 
could do a lot of damage to their reputation built up over
the last few years. 

Mark

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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:58:53 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <44068@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> svissa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sirish Vissa) writes:

>   Malaren is having problems with the new car because they were 
>  forced to bring it out, before they were ready.  You can bet that 
> by the end of the season, they will be as fast if not faster than the
> Williams. 

Sez who? I don't think they will, at least with the MP4/7.
Not forgetting that Williams has a new car ready to go as
well.

>BTW I am not an avid Mclaren or Senna fan, I am simply stating the facts.
What facts? Wishes maybe, but Williams GPE are firmly on top for now,
and to dislodge them is more likely to come from Benetton than McLaren.

>| Sirish 'RACE OR DIE' Vissa                       |--\__            _____  |
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From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mansell
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:52:43 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

MS>Maybe that's why he's doing so bad now.  Maybe he should go back to driving
MS>fast.
Do you thin he crashed his car during the qualififying session (I don't
remember if it was in the first or second race of this year) because he
was driving slowly?

 
MS>Mansell has always been the macho-man of F1 and has a driving style
We can say Mansell drives very fast and he is an excelent driver. This
is true. But you are always trying to explain Mansel's mistakes. 
He would be much more happy now if someone had told him "Ok Mansell now it
is time to learn how to save your car, and let's win this championship" 
instead of keep hiding his mistakes with such words as "Mansel, this
was not your fault but just bad luck".


Mansel has the best F1 car nowadays. And he is an excellent driver,
capable of winning this championship. But I am not sure that he will do
it just because of his "macho-way" of driving.


Gilberto  
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: F1:Magic fuels and more...
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:21:09 GMT

altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu (Alex Tsourinakis) writes:
> I really don't think that banning exotic fuels is the way to go in F1.
> First of all, Shell, Elf, Agip and Mobil would have no reason to spend the
> millions that they invest every year, not only in research and production,
> but also in sponsorship fees for the big guys in F1 [...]

You forget that the big oil companies also produce engine and gearbox oils
for F1.  That and the exposure would surely be sufficient reason for most
of them to continue at least some level of sponsorship.  It was enough, too,
even just a few years ago before the advent of fuel development.

> Also,think of it this way:smaller teams,like Dallara,Ligier and so on, which
> are using engines that are also used by the top teams, like Ferrari and
> Renault, also have to use similar (although not the same) types of fuel.

Dallara has Agip fuel, and Ligier has Elf.  But the do NOT get the same
fuels as Ferrari and Williams.

Also, please note that I DO NOT ADVOCATE BANNING ANYTHING OTHER THAN NON-
SPEC FUELS.  I'm happy to see lots of chassis, lots of different engines,
new suspension technologies, you name it.  But "magic" fuels provide such
a huge advantage, at such enormous monetary cost, and from a source far
removed from the racing world, that they contribute nothing to the sport.

> Also,I read in a previous posting a comment about the new Honda V-12s not
> being good,without any justification.

This was originally a comment from someone at McLaren (Senna?).  The power
is down from the previous incarnation.

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
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From: dafuller@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:59:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr13.075940.16943
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <702954797.F00002@aisbbs.com> Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson) writes:
>Responding to Dave Fuller, Glenn Austin writes:
>
>GA> Not to defend the Andrettis, but I do think that that was a poor call
>GA> all around...
>
>Sorry, but IMHO this incident was totally due to the
>irresponsibility of both Andrettis.  Mario has historically shown a
>disregard for the flag stations (remember when he ripped the right
>side of his car off on Guerreros stalled car at Long Beach a few
>years ago?).  

The sport has changed; you must drive with your head, not the one-eyed
elephant.  
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Schedule, esp. British GP and Frenc
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:32:36 GMT
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 25970@fang.att.com, naren@fang.att.com (Narendra Chauhan) writes:
>From article <83553@bu.edu>, by nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos):

>> October   18  Japan (Suzuka)
>
>  October   25  Japan (Suzuka)
>
>> November   1  Australia (Adelaid)
>
>  November   8  Australia (Adelaide)

I agree with Narendra's spelling correction, but my understanding is
that Japan and Australia, originally scheduled for October 25 and
November 8, were each set forward one week when the "European" GP at
Jerez on October 4 was moved into reserve.

Will someone who *knows* (preferably someone in Japan or Australia who
has up-to-date information on ticket advertising) please clarify?  Let
my message be the final speculation, please. . .

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From: rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers)
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1
Organization: Cimtek
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:54:13 GMT

In article <mferrare.702705400@adelphi> mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto) writes:
>rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers) writes:
>
>During the Brazil GP coverage, the ESPN commentators were saying that FOCA
>were considering full-course yellows.
>

Yes, but in nearly the same breath I think they said the idea was not
well-received.  Or does wishful thinking cloud my memory?  :-|

-- 

Mark Rogers  (rogersmf@eplrx7.es.dupont.com)

"Glider pilots keep it up longer with no props."
From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:21:34 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Apr7.113307.14104@eplrx7.es.duPont.com>,
rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers) writes:
|>
|>The problem with full-course yellows is that they are used to make races
|>artificially "close".  The safety record in F1 (and in SCCA and IMSA, for 
|>that matter) suggests that local yellows are sufficient for safe racing, 
|>so the only thing to be gained from a full-course yellow is this artificial
|>"close" race.  In fact, when cars are bunched together (as they would
|>be under a full-course yellow), I would argue that it makes racing LESS safe, 
|>not more so.  ("Awright, let's hear it for blood and gore!" :-) )

I don't think it's that simple.  F1 has a big enough budget to put cranes
all over the place to take dead cars off the track.  The expense of requiring
these, particularly on temporary road circuits, would be prohibitive in IndyCar
racing.  I will grant you that if they had sufficient run-off areas on the
courses, they could park the dead cars there instead of towing them back to
the pits under a full-course yellow (but then they'd have to change the
IndyCar rules that allow such cars to be repaired and sent out again).
On ovals, though, I think full-course yellows are warranted, particularly
on the short ovals, where lap times are in the 30-second range.  F1 doesn't
run on ovals.

--PSW (who would prefer no full-course yellows in IndyCar races)
From: chapmand@caster.sps.mot.com (David Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Seen on a tee-shirt...
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:10:25 GMT


Hi,

I saw the following on a tee-shirt during the recent Indycar event at
Phoenix.

  "I remember when sex was safe and driving was dangerous"

I thought it was funny at the time...

David Chapman

chapmand@asic-atr.sps.mot.com