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From: dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:09:15 GMT

ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.213200.24803@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>>
>>Exactly my point, John.  OS/2 2.0 and AmigaDOS 2.04 do *not* have roughly
>>equivalent usefulness and functionality.  So why should they be expected
>>to run on the same hardware and occupy the same amount of RAM and HD space?
>>
>What functionality/usefulness does OS/2 posess that AmigaDOS 2.04 does
>not?  I am talking about the operating system here, not what runs on top
>of it.  Also please stay clear of VM/non-VM issues as there are clearly
>tradeoffs as to which approach is desired.  The same can be said for
>memory protection as well.  Other than these issues, OS/2 has better
>capabilities and functionality than AmigaDOS 2.04 because:___________

What's wrong with VM? You seem to think that VM capability is BAD.
The capability, whether you have RAM enogh to not neeed it or not.

More importantly, there is a big misconception about the size of OS/2 on
your hardisk.  You see, OS/2 comes with LOTS of stuff.  Stuff like
Windows compatiblilty, MSDOS compatiblility, and zillion and zillions
of 'applets', games, etc etc etc.  I saved my self many megs
getting rid of REXX, some sillier games, and lotsof 'personal
productivity' garbage.  I kept the DOS and Windows, though, of course.

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From: amuser@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: Can Amiga do my project?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:17:23 GMT

If Scala isn't quite powerful enough, it has a little-known big brother
called InfoChannel. I don't know much about it except that it is pretty
expensive (over $1000).

Gary McGhee

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From: catapcnl@Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Amiga AA chipset... inside info?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:19:08 GMT

Distribution: world

In article <mykes.0a91@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike  
Schwartz) writes:
:In article <1992Jul25.215129.19893@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu  
(Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
:> 3.  The version of OS 3 he's seen (kickstart 39.101) needs an '020 or
:> better to run... which suggest that the next generation of low end
:> computers is going to be minumum '030.
:
:KS 39.whatever just might have a bug, just like those that some games
:have, when run on an 030 (but in reverse).  Since CBM seems so much
:more interested in selling A600 and A500 style computers, it would
:be stupid to have an OS that didn't work on a 68000 (albeit very
:slowly).

Didn't KS 36/37 only run on 030's for a while while it was developed (just for  
increased speed at the beta level)?  (BTW: This is curiosity, not gospel.  I  
really don't know)
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:08:08 GMT

In <1992Jul26.213033.7016@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   I am not completely certain what is meant by "32-bit OS", but I know that
>much of Intuition and the graphics.library are strictly limited to 8 bitplanes.
>The equivilents to Intuition and graphics.library under MacOS, Windows, and
>OS/2 are clean 32-bit designs.

You know too much, forget something and learn it again. Maybe it comes out
different.

Regards,
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: MultiTOS re: TOS   
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:39:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul28.025404.1654@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

>Atari Falcon uses 68030 AND MultiTOS. I mailed French developer to
>compare and he said MultiTOS and Unix are very close so millions
>of students will buy Falcons because of low price and Unix
>is used at many schools around  world.

Rightttt.. Are you for real? Being LIKE Unix and being Unix
is not the same. Atari is deader than C=. And C= still
has a chance. Atari would have to market a CRAY-in-a-box for $99.95
to have any hope of a comeback.

And it is still vapor. The description sounded cool, but hey
you can't get it so who cares?

P.S. I went to the local Atari dealer here. It was a total pig-sty.
A ton of games on the wall, a few machines scatered across a table.
Scraps of paper all over the floor. A real dump. And to add
to it all it was staffed by some big slimy lard-butt clueless computer
geek from hell.
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From: stefanb@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Keywords: A4000, new, Amiga
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:27:34 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen


Oh Noooooooo, not again.....

	Stefan

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From: gilgalad@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: Re: ! Pournelle [sic] says that there is a new amiga !
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.201643.13018@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>I hope it is not any of the current offerings.  I fail to see why anyone
>would listen to his constant bitching and moaning about the hardware and
>software given to him, but obviously Byte thinks that someone is reading
>it.  My opinion of him will be even worse if he uses his column as a 
>vehicle for trashing a once great machine which has suffered miserably 
>due to the neglect from its abusive parent company.

I have to agree with this.  I believe that Pournelle has little in the
way of knowledge when it comes to computers.  He also seems quite
self-centered, but that's a personal opinion.
I suggest we send a machine to Niven instead :)  Remember Byte is a
VERY poor magazine when it comes to being fair.  A lot of them
seem to live in an Intel only world of their own :)

-Ralph

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:19:05 GMT

Makes sense to me...

Thom
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:41:50 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul24.100110.390@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
> Ummm... I was wondering why people shelled out the money to buy game
> consoles instead of computers, when they could get all the advantages of
> a fully functional home computer for only a few dollars more, in the long
> run... when I saw the suggested retail price of some games...
>
> Can you say, sticker shock?  I mean, come on... $90?
>
> How is it, that high quality books, which take massive investments of
> time and energy to research, write and produce, and multi-million
> dollar movies, can all sell for $20 to $30... and companies are demanding
> unimaginable sums for their videogames?
>

How is it that a paperback book costs $3.95 retail while a 512K ROM costs
$10 in mass quantities?  That could be your answer right there.

> It makes a console attractive.
>
> Thom
>

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:27:09 GMT

I'm just quoting what I was told by several PC types... I quit that
arena a while ago.  
\
Thom
From: hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PCs are the godsend. The will triumph over the world. : -)
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:16:05 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA

>>>>OK John, then maybe this'll do.  I'm an Amiga user, so in your view, I'm
in
>>>>"my" group, right? OK, so shut the hell up.  You're getting as annoyning
as
>>>>Marc Barrett, and starting to remind me of Thomas Hill (ala ST basher).
>>>
>>>>Tony Poole
>>>
>>>Oh! Dan Stephenson's gonna eat this one up!
>>>
>>>btw, I don't recall asking for your opinion
 
>>BFD, I gave it to you.  Who asked for your opinion or voice on ANYTHING?
 
>>Why don't you just give it a rest???  Please?
 
>>I put you in my kill file, but I still end up reading your crap through
>>follow-ups.  What do you think you are proving by playing Mr. Broken Record?
 
>  Ok. Since you asked so nicely. Seriously. I think I've had my fun. One
>person shouldn't be allowed to have this much fun. I think I win the award
>for the person in the most kill files :-) Since I'm in so many kill files, I
>imagine 80% of the people here won't be reading this ;^), unless someone
>quotes it and re-prints it. I do agree I might have gone a bit overboard,
>but I was just trying to show.... hmmmm, I don't really know *what* I was
>trying to show.. perhaps I was showing how the record approach ala Marc
>Barrett can be *very* annoying. The Amiga people see this and *gawd* is it
>*intensely* annoying and aggravating, as I'm sure everyone who read my posts
>will agree.
>  Although I have noticed that a few of the staunch PC people have seemed to
>calm down a bit, which was another reason for the postings... to refute
>*everything* bad that was said about the Amiga, whether it was true or not,
>and to post junk and sometimes totally false and inaccurate information about
>other systems sounding like I knew everything about them, just like is done
>here for most of the postings, but in a reverse situation also. It even
>appears
>Marc Barrett has learned how bad this type of posting is (although I admit
>several of my postings were a "bit" worse than Marc's. His posts in the main
>groups seem to have vanished. I even flamed an Amiga person, with an
intensely
>sarcastic attitude!(my attitude, not his). Sorry Tony :-). Goodness, I guess
>it kinda got out of hand.
 
><insert Eddie Hascell(sp?) voice with finger pointing> I hope you all learned
>your lesson <end of Eddie Hascell(sp?) voice and with finger pointing> :-)
 
>UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!hawk
 
Ok, John. Here's a repost. It's the least I can do after that time you
happened to be driving by, saw our burning housed, rushed in through the
flames, and carried each of my family members to safety... besides the
time you jumped the guy that was holding us hostage, then fought with him,
wrestled the gun away, knocked him out, tied him up, and called the police.
 

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From: rmast@cs.vu.nl (Mast RN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ik wil de Nederlanders !!
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:24:40 GMT
Distribution: eunet

peter@blade (Peter Korsten) writes:

>rmast@cs.vu.nl (Mast RN) writes:
>: De Amiga 500 met Kickstart 1.3 kost hier f779,-

>En als je dicht bij de grens woont, ben je in Duitsland nog goedkoper uit.

>					Peter.
Is het niet zo dat je dan met een Duitstalig toetsenbord wordt opgescheept?
From: catapcnl@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:29:25 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Jul28.024609.15182@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu  
(Gregg Giles) writes:
:In article <1992Jul27.204442.3673@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu  
(Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
:>Some other news my hacker friend told me...
:>Creative Computers is going 100% Mac, and CBM has cut them off...
:>Thom
:
:   Yeah, right. They only ran an 8 page full color ad in every issue of
:AmigaWorld for the last year. If they're spending that kind of money in
:advertising, they're obviously making it from that magazine.
:   My advice: stop listening to your hacker friend. 
:
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:Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 

Considering the fact that CC is Commodore's main dealer/distributor in the  
Southwest US, I find it extremely unlikely that CBM would cut them off...
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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:44:42 GMT

Some other news my hacker friend told me...

Creative Computers is going 100% Mac, and CBM has cut them off...

btw, the wholesale price of the 3000T is $3500... with 1960, et al.

Might help in negotiating a price...

Thom

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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.213200.24803@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>
>>I would venture that given two operating systems A & B, which had
>>roughly equivalent usefulness, then if one of them ran on 1/2 the
>>hardware that the other required, this would be considered a
>>positive point in its favor.  Therefore for your posting to have
>>any meaning, both operating systems compared should have been
>>equivalent in usefulness and functionality.  Not knowing anything
>>about this AtariDOS system, but keeping the above in mind, then I
>>would say this this AtariDOS system is great.  I will look into
>>buying one! :)
>>
>
>Exactly my point, John.  OS/2 2.0 and AmigaDOS 2.04 do *not* have roughly
>equivalent usefulness and functionality.  So why should they be expected
>to run on the same hardware and occupy the same amount of RAM and HD space?
>
>>
What functionality/usefulness does OS/2 posess that AmigaDOS 2.04 does
not?  I am talking about the operating system here, not what runs on top
of it.  Also please stay clear of VM/non-VM issues as there are clearly
tradeoffs as to which approach is desired.  The same can be said for
memory protection as well.  Other than these issues, OS/2 has better
capabilities and functionality than AmigaDOS 2.04 because:___________
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.011248.17150@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.000946.6129@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>
>>Okay, so the A500 and 386 system have roughly the same price.  That meets
>>one of your comparison criteria.  They do not have roughly the same perform-
>>ance or capabilities.  You may as well compare 386 systems to component
>>stereo systems.
>>
>
>I don't think A500 and 386 system have roughly the same price. For the
>price of A500, you just can get the 386 mother board unless you buy it
>as second hand. However, A500 has already had 4096 colors, 4 channels 8
>bit sound, all external port, floppy drive, mouse...

Last I seen, a 386-40 was $199.00 m/b w/cpu and a SX20 was $106.00.  And
a 24-Bit card (DIAMOND SPEEDSTAR 24, 16.7 million colors at 640x480 and
32000 at 800x600 etc...) was $159.00.

>
>If you can buy AdSpeed,($149 from Montgomery, new) you will have the
>power of low end 386 system.

AdSpeed, thats the accelerator which contains the 68000-16 right?  If that's
right than what your saying is that a 68000-16 is the speed of a 68030-16
right?  Which a 030-16 is comparable to a 386SX20 running windows 3.0 (Mac ads)
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From: parris@cs.scarolina.edu (Barry Parris)
Subject: Re: Upgrade Amiga OR buy 486??
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:00:19 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Anyway, I am very impresses with OS/2 filesystem, for example.  Now I 
>have much more flexiblity in how I name a file than in UNIX! LIke, this
>is ans example:

>Engineering Methods lab report (due next Tuesday!)

And it can be a filename in UNIX, too!

-rw-r--r--  1 parris          0 Jul 28 08:59 Engineering Methods lab report (due
 next Tuesday!)

BFD.

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:41:29 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>
>Ever try something simple like having two DOS sessions run the dir command
>simultaneously?  Do both session scroll at once?
>

Yes.

>
>John G. Ata
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:52:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.042316.7721@ucunix.san.uc.edu> gordos@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John Gordos) writes:
> NT's development environment runs, *just fine*, on our Mips box at work.

I'm sure it does. IN HOW MUCH MEMORY?

On the 386, NT requires more memory than UNIX, a *much* more complete operating
system (it's multiuser, for one thing). I'm sorry, but there is absolutely NO
excuse for a single-user operating system, no matter how snazzy, requring 8
megabytes to run.

> NT is so much better than Windows, it's scarey.  In fact, I will not miss
> my Amiga at all once NT is finished and running.

Commodore had an excuse for inventing their own API in 1986: you can't run
UNIX on a bare 68000. Microsoft has no such excuse for Windows. There is no
technical reason the native NT API isn't a superset of UNIXs. The only possible
reason is fear of open standards, cynical marketing decisions, and Bill Gates
bruised ego.

OS/2, NT, and other "desktop" systems are purely evil. Supporting them is
selling out your own professional integrity and your customer's and friends
long term good in favor of glitz and short-term "solutions".

Yes, the Amiga has always been a short term system. The operating system is
tied to an aging processor architecture, and is beginning to show signs of
backward combatibility itself, but I'd hoped that the next generation of
desktops would be based on a high level API like UNIX instead of a low-level
one that forces the application into an intimate relationship with OS
facilities (scheduling, display management, etc) like Windows.
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:37:11 GMT

dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:
: I do watch CNN a lot, and the only criticisms I have seen by Republican
: types against Perot were reactions, not offenses.
: 
: Example Perot claiming over and over on Larry King Live that the
: Republicans had a 'Dirty Tricks Committee' working agaist him,
: but said absolutely NOTHING to back it up.  That is one of the things
: that make him seem like a fascist to me.  Just relying on personal
: charisma to promote himself by demogoguery and not doing a damn thing
: to justify his claims.

I'm not backing Perot or anything but:

Republicans are professional mudslingers.  They've got the most
experience in doing it, and they've been doing it as a standard
technique for a long long time.  Anyone who's anything at all into
politics can see the sheer number of times they use it.  And it works.

Just thought I'd mention that.  It's like a fact.  Democrats spend
money like it grew on trees (probably tax trees).  Republicans sling
mud and take away your civil rights.

Of course, that's an extreme exaggeration, but that's been a running
joke around here for a LONG time.

Greg

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