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From: mhorning@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark E. Horning (Captain Neutrino))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Report about "Jurassic Park"
Keywords: Jurassic
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:41:25 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) states
>I recently read about an article in the magazine Science about DNA in
>dinosaur fossils, but I don't seem to be able to get hold of that issue.
>Has anyone else out there read that article? Having had the "Jurassic
>Park" idea even before I heard about the book, I'm very interested in
>what they have to say.
>Is it in theory possible to reconstruct dinosaurs out of a lot of 100
>million year old DNA fragments? I'm of course aware that our nowadays
>science is far from it. What I am rather interested in is whether there
>is enough left at all in those bones to contain the information of a
>complete DNA string.
>As far as I know this was already discussed here, but I missed it.
>
>Thanx for any information!
>
>
>May the Cool Be with You!
>
>(C)OOL mcmxcii

Are you kidding, we cant even reconstruct you out of your DNA, much less
a dinosaur.
Oh and here at Calpoly last year someone extraced the dna of a 80 million
year old bee (traped in amber). And did it about a month before
_Jurassic Park_ hit the shelves.


Mark E. Horning, Physics 	A penny saved is a congressional oversite.	
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From: drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze)
Subject: Re: Weapons systems?
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:34:48 GMT

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From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment (?)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:39:20 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

stcak@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>I hope this is a question to the correct newsgroup. Anyhow...
>What are the facts regarding the famous Philadelphia (sp?) 
>Experiment? I refer to something about a ship being the subject
>of a wierd experiment around WWII. From what I have heard and read
>and can remember it goes something like this : 
>	The ship was pumped full of radiation (or something) and
>was supposed to turn invisible. The crew later suffered horrific
>after-effects and I have been told that some reports said parts of
>them (eg: a leg) went invisible (or something). They were also 
>very ill and most died.

>	So, what is fact and what is fiction? What did they pump the
>ship full of? Did these bizarre things really (possibly) happen?
>If there is any fact in this, has it been tried again?

>I would appreciate a response that told the story (as truly as known).
>Has this phenomena ever been linked to theories of other dimensions?

The entire thing is fiction.
There was a movie that was based upon a book written by the same guy that
"explained" Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and other such "mysteries".


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From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: Teleporting Things into Other Things (was Re: Star Wars)
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:58:14 GMT

In article <BxHp13.203@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> chisnall@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (The Technicolour Throw-up) writes:

>  What's the current status of "strange matter"?  Last I heard people believed
>  that there were good grounds for thinking that it was likely to be stable.

Maybe some sort of stable state could be formed...  But the longest lived
known states of strange matter lasts less than a nano-second.  So, if you
want a large rock you can throw at someone, no problem. (Just keep it moving
very fast.  I remember a Doctor Who episode that used this trick...)

                             Bill
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From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: FTL
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:55:24 GMT

In <BxM47x.19B@cen.ex.ac.uk> cs92mjd@cen.ex.ac.uk (M.J.Davis) writes:


>OK, here's something that occurred to me the other day. It has a reasonably
>obvious (I think) flaw that I'll keep to myself for the moment, but at first
>glance looks interesting.

>_How to accelerate a spacecraft to c_

>Build your spacecraft. Include a socking great magnetic containment system.
>Fill said containment system with anti-matter, until the net mass of the 
>whole contrivance is zero. It will then require zero energy to accelerate,
>and will be untroubled by relativistic mass increases as it has none.

>There is a *major* prize for the most humorous tearing-to-shreds of this idea
>Look forward to hearing the net.scoffing...

The problem with this is that antimatter has positive mass.  Add a
kilogram of antimatter to your ship, it gets a kilogram more, not
less, massive.

>Mike (asbestos underwear) Davis
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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Weapons systems?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:57:01 GMT

In article <6yPZTB9w165w@west.darkside.com> max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis) writes:
}I've been thinking about combat in space, and am wondering if anyone has 
}come up with any novel weapons/delivery systems.
}
}So far I have:
}
}    o laser beams
}    o particle beams
}    o kinetic weapons (shells)
}    o missiles
}    o torpedos (nuclear missiles)
}
}Anything else pop into mind?

gravel.


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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: Star Wars
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.science
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 12:23:01 EST

If one assumes that the ship being pursued by the missle can teleport
forever, or is at least considerably longer ranged, then the ship will
escape.  However, if the missle has a longer range, then with Timothy's
path:

	1     3     5
	 \   / \   / \
	  \ /   \ /   \
	   2     4     6...

All the missle has to do is to home in on every-other image of the fleeing
ship.  (And, given a dumb missle, it will do just that, since the light
from point 3 will reach point one BEFORE the light from point 2.)  While
the ship can teleport, it will get farther and farther away.  But if
the ship, in this case, can teleport less than 2X times than the missle,
It's dead.  

Of course, this assumes that the missle can unerringly detect a little
speck 30 light-ms away unerringly in under a ms.  If the fleeing ship
is painted matte-black and has a shell most of the way around it chilled
to 3 deg. Kelvin, then it gets real hard.  As for gravity waves, the ship
could release missles to act as decoys.  (Presumably, a technology that
can teleport, producing strong gravity waves as a side effect, could
produce gravity waves mimicing a large ship teleporting.)

However, if one assumes that smaller masses have correspondingly smaller
latencies.  (i.e. The smaller you are, the less time you have to wait to
teleport.)  Then things get interesting.  If latency is directly 
proportional to mass, then a missle wouldn't be limited to waiting for 
the light from the ship's next jump-point.  It could hop-around looking
for it.  (Like, if the missle is 1/1000th as massive as the ship.)  Since
it is impossible to hide one's IR signature completely & forever, this
gives missles a fighting chance.  

If you also vary distance-limitations according to mass or latency, then
you get some really comlplicated interactions.  Be great grist for a 
wargame.  (Sorry if I am diverging from the original assumptions.  I
forget what they are at this point.)

Very interesting thread.

--Peter Kwangjun Suk

(P.S.  In case anyone has any doubt about my argument:
	-Assume negligible detection times-

	Time
	  0	- Ship teleports to 2
	  1	- Ship arrives at 2, teleports to 3
	  2	- Ship arrives at 3
	  3	- Ship arrives at 4
	  4	- Ship arrives at 5
		* * * * *
	  26	- light arrives at 1 from 3, missle tele to 3
	  27	- missle arrives at 3
	  28	- light arrives at 3 from 5, missle teleports
	  29	- missle arrives at 5
	  30	- light arrives at 5 from 7, missle teleports... )

(P.P.S.	If you stretch out the zig-zag a bit, you should be able to fool
a dumb missle in just two jumps, assuming neglible latency, ala Picard
manuver.  Add as many jumps as you think you need to increase your 
chances suitably.)  

(P.P.P.S. If you arrange your jumps the right way, you can arrange to
have the dumb missle arrive AFTER your expanding light shell has
passed him by.)  
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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re:  Star Wars
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:52:08 GMT

In article <1decb6INNge1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.) writes:
>Women have been _training_ combat pilots in the USAF for a number of years...
>in fact, one of there best fighter pilots before the Gulf War was a woman! 
>She volunteered for combat, and was, of course, refused. However, I _believe_ 
>I remember hearing that just in the last year Congress approved putting
>female pilots in combat missions. They'll get to die along with the men 
>next time.

Now the bad news: some kind of congressional panel just backed off on
the "women in fighter a/c thing".  This means lousy promotions, lack of
respect & general inequality, over something that it doesn't take any
particular endowment of testosterone or upper body sterength to do.

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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Weapons systems?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:24:02 GMT

In article <BxKMy3.G6u@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
     neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:

>   I wonder how easy it is to mine space. Choke points are a bit harder
>to come by when you have three dimensions of motion available and few or
>no physical objects. You might want to interdict the approach to a
>fortress or ship. It might make a good delaying tactic against boarders
>trying to take a crippled ship. Just tossing mines out in interplanetary
>space in the hopes that one of the bad guys will run into it seems like a
>vast waste of funds.

   Well, depends on where you want to draw the line between a 'mine'
and a 'missle.'  Space is a unique combat environment, one which only
now are we becoming accustomed to considering.  Traditionally, a mine
is something that sits around and waits for a vessel to come too close;
but what if the mine is a long-duration lay-in-wait weapon with some
maneuverability.  Is a weapon that sits in orbit waiting for dozens of
years until the right ship comes along, then maneuvers itself into the
path of that vessel a mine?  What if it stealthily creeps up on the
ship?

   Yes, I'm splitting hairs here.  But I think these are important
hairs to discuss.  I think differentiating between a 'mine,' a
'torpedo,' and a 'missle' gets very hazy in space.  This discussion
should concentrate on:

   I. Method of propulsion.
      a. Does it get launched, like a shell?
      b. Does it have a linear thrust?
      c. Can it maneuver?  How nimbly?

  II. Method of locating target.
      a. Does it have independant targeting?
      b. Does it depend on its launch platform for targeting?

 III. Method of imparting damage.
      a. Does it penetrate?
      b. Does it block?
      c. Does it explode?

   This is just a quick set of thoughts... I think others could find
more ways of defining a weapon.  But for actual kinetic weapons (as
opposed to energy weapons and barriers) these are at least the
beginnings of a 'space-based weapons theory.'

            Elf Sternberg
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From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Weapons systems?
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:09:52 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

I've been thinking about combat in space, and am wondering if anyone has 
come up with any novel weapons/delivery systems.

So far I have:

    o laser beams
    o particle beams
    o kinetic weapons (shells)
    o missiles
    o torpedos (nuclear missiles)

Anything else pop into mind?

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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Report about "Jurassic Park"
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:40:30 GMT
Keywords: Jurassic

I recently read about an article in the magazine Science about DNA in
dinosaur fossils, but I don't seem to be able to get hold of that issue.
Has anyone else out there read that article? Having had the "Jurassic
Park" idea even before I heard about the book, I'm very interested in
what they have to say.
Is it in theory possible to reconstruct dinosaurs out of a lot of 100
million year old DNA fragments? I'm of course aware that our nowadays
science is far from it. What I am rather interested in is whether there
is enough left at all in those bones to contain the information of a
complete DNA string.
As far as I know this was already discussed here, but I missed it.

Thanx for any information!


May the Cool Be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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From: treitel@gracie.IntelliCorp.COM (Richard Treitel)
Subject: Re: Weapons systems?
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:08:28 GMT
Organization: preferably none

In article <6yPZTB9w165w@west.darkside.com>, max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis) writes:
|> I've been thinking about combat in space, and am wondering if anyone has 
|> come up with any novel weapons/delivery systems.

Presuming you mean to stick within physics as we know it ...

Larry Niven, "The Borderland of Sol" (may not be exact title): sling a
small black hole in the direction of thine foe, who being unaware of its
approach shall fall into it.

If you're going to distinguish between "missile" and "torpedo" then
you're probably a good enough hair-splitter to add "mine."  A weapon
doesn't have to *have* a delivery system to be effective.

I won't trouble you with theoretica like focussed gravity waves.

		- Richard
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 11:36:58 -0500 
From: James William Stepanek <js43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: g-force in fighters was Star Wars

>In article <u894793.720421385@bruny>, u894793@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
(Timothy D L
>ittle) writes:
>|> Is it true that modern military fighters are limited
>|> in maneuverability by the 10G that the pilot can withstand? 
 
>The flying fortresses that the US favours (F-15, F-14) are more limited by
>stress on their wings, e.g. the F-14 is said to pull 6.5G max.  Even the
>lighter machines only do about 9G as far as I know.  Hmm, you may be right.
 
>		- Richard

Actually this is wrong such fighters as the F-15, F-16 and F-18 are
designed to pull about 8-g's to give a margin of error on pilot
pass-out. Actually the airframes are designed to take more than this. In
one test flight a pilot of an F-15 successfully pulled 15g's .
McDonnel-Douglas took that one in for analysis since it was only
designed for a 13-g load. The majority of fighters these days are
fly-by-wire and the number of g's that the plane will deliver is
curtailed by the computer in the interest of safety.
James Stepanek
esp
js43@andrew.cmu.edu
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Subject: Mike Sirota:Ro-Lan WANTED
From: jajohnston@ualr.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:28:45 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I have posted this request twice in the past under rec.arts.books, and have not
gotten a single response.  So, Sci-Fi/Fantasy fans, here goes.  
                          W A N T E D

Books by Mike Sirota, specifically in the Ro-Lan series.  Please respond by
e-mail, or if you want, post it here.  Thanks in advance for any help.

jajohnston@ualr.edu
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From: mlf@wdl30.wdl.loral.com (Mike L Forster)
Subject: Wanted:  Star Trek TNG - Star Base picture/poster
Summary: I'd like a medium-large wall picture of a star base.
Keywords: Star Trek TNG The New Generation print poster star base
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:38:31 GMT

Hi.

I'd like to have and 8x10 or larger print or poster of a Star
Trek - The Next Generation-style star base, perhaps but not necessarily
with the Enterprise approaching or nearby.

Does anyone know where I might find such?

Thanks.

>  Mike Forster mlf@wdl1.wdl.loral.com


-- 
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             U.S. Goverment (or my family, friends, pets, ...)
From: tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Message to Mr. Chamberlain.
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:57:17 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

Sorry for using up the bandwidth, but I owe this guy some stuff he
purchased from me and I lost his address. 

Mr. Chamberlain, Please send me your address and a description of what
you purchased, so I know I am sending to the correct person.

Thanks

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From: parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: a question of value
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:26:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa


	I recently purchased a copy of HG Wells _The Dream_, and in
the front is the following message:

	"This book is sent to you with the compliments of the publisher.
	_The Dream_ will be published on April 22.  I hope that you will
	enjoy reading it.  For the MacMillan Company."

The copyright is 1924.  The paper on the spine had come loose and is taped
back on, but otherwise it is in great shape ( slightly dented corners and
scuffed top edges ).  Anyone have an idea what its worth?  Inquiring overly-
empty wallet wants to know.  No, I won't say what I paid for it:-)

							Ggg
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From: kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink)
Subject: Looking for a few Laumer books. Help !
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:55:30 GMT

I am desperately seeking some books. All by Keith Laumer. Who can direct
me to a mail order service or some other retailer that has any of these
available, please :

 Title : The Time Bender
  ISBN : 0-441-81014-4

 Title : The Shape Changer
  ISBN : 0-441-76102-X
         or 0-441-76086-4

 Title : The Galaxy Builder
  ISBN : 0-441-27280-0

They were all published by :

Ace Science Fiction Books, published by The Berkeley Publishing Group
200 Madison Avenue, New York, New York, 10016.

Is there any chance or way of getting them from this publisher
directly ?

Thanks very much for any pointers ! Please mail me if you have
any information.

John Kortink (kortink@cs.utwente.nl)
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From: rmbandy@athena.mit.edu (Reba M Bandyopadhyay)
Subject: Chelsea Quinn Yarbro novels
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:31:24 GMT

Hi all,

I'm looking for copies of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's Saint Germain novels.  Most
of them appear to be out of print or something because I have been totally
unable to find them in any bookstore.  Unfortunately, none of the used 
bookstores I've been to have copies either.  If anyone knows where I could 
order these novels, or has copies you're willing to sell, please let me know
via email.  Any information appreciated.  Thanks!

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From: gelwasser@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: WANTED: Robert E. Howard Fanzine
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:59:04 GMT

I'm looking for Issues 1-3 of  
a fanzine called "Robert E. Howard : Lone Star Fictioner"
It was published around 1975-76 with the cooperation of Glen Lord
and the Howard estate.

any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Perry Gelwasser
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Subject: MST3K X-Mas OOPS!
From: jenkins@local.host (Lisa Jenkins)
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:48:34 -0600
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.


OOPS!  I typed the date in error on the Patrick Swayze X-Mas.  It is supposed
to be a "Saturday Night Thing," January 30.

Sorry for the inconvenience.


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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Looking for October's Baby
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:09:42 GMT

Help!  I have most of Glen Cook's Dread Empire series, except for the second
book, October's Baby.  I am seeking a copy from anywhere, and am willing to pay
postage and new-retail cost to obtain it, in paperback at least.  Respond via
email to this address.

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