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From: cebuhar@QueensU.CA (Wen Cebuhar)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:26:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.191556.18082@tandem.com> norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott) writes:
>
>Saturn has a 2.5l V6 in plan for the next model year, it is 250 HP
>which is 100 HP/l.  This is right up there with the highest output
>Japanese engines.
>

I don't think this is true. A more credible rumor is that Saturn will have
such an engine (with 5 valves-per-cylinder and variable-valve-timing) for 
the '96 model year, in a new (yet to be approved) mid-size platform.

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From: waltz@cup.portal.com (Walt Joseph Scheiderich)
Newsgroups: ba.forsale,rec.autos,ba.market.vehicles
Subject: CLASSIC '63 Ford Galaxy for sale !
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 09:31:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba


	* CLASSIC * 1963 Ford Galaxy 500 XL Boxtop 252

		- FOR SALE !

	----------------------------------------------

	- 85K original miles
	- white with turquoise interior
	- immaculate inside and out - MUST SEE !

	Asking $3300 or Best Offer

	Call Dan/Walt 510-791-5490
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Seeking opinions on sentra SE-R
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:01:26 GMT
Organization: RICOH California Research Center

awhg2445@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew W. Hull) writes:
> I'm looking at a 1991 Sentra SE-R tonight.
> The asking price is $11,000.  The car has
> 8000 miles, comes with A/C, power sunroof,
> and Cassete (I know, never buy a car for
> its radio! 8-)  ).


   I wonder why this car is being sold.  I find it hard to understand
   why one would want to part with an SE-R with only 8000 miles.
   If the owner is having a hardship (or perhaps its a repo), this would make 
   sense.  If the owner can offer no good reason, I would be suspicious and 
   have it checked out by an independent mechanic.

   Off the top of my head, this price sounds OK (maybe a little high), but 
   by all means check the blue book.  The dealer cost of a similarly equipped 
   brand new '92 would be about $12.5k and then theres the dealer's cut,
   and all that tax.
From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:34:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Best Sports Coupe with GT Performance
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm) writes:


>NEVER, EVER buy an American Car in it's first year of production.
>
>The first year is when they work out the mistakes in design and
>production.

	Even that can be quite gracious. Look at how long it took Ford in
	dealing with the clutch problems in the SHO taurus. 

	Foreign cars can be bad also. A friend has an '85 VW Gulf, and VW
	just recent issued a recall on leaking heater cores going back to
	1985 models! My friend replaced his some time back, but, at least
	VW reimbursed him for parts (but not the time it took him to
	install it).

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: TO: LOSZEWSKI_IM@SAGE.HNRC.TUFTS.EDU
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:20:50 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

> Listen Asshole, why don't you get a life!  I'm very concerned for the environ-
> ment and do the best I can to help it, but your fu#$%ing comments and attitude
> SUCK!!  So why don't you tell us how you commute?  Do you have a bike?  Do you
> try and save toilet water?  How long do you take a shower?  Do you recycle?
> As for the capitalist pigs comment, don't generalize everybody into one
> category.  Basically, I'm going to stop wasting bandwidth, and just say two 
> words... F%#@ OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One would think that someone with brains enough to be concerned about the
environment would also be capable of speaking in a calm and reserved tone
rather than resort to the profanity and hatred that lesser beings employ.

=)

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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: Yokohama tires
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 06:56:50 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality
	<hgm.711980096@fbi.cc.ncsu.edu>


hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:

>In article Yokohama tires of 21 Jul 92 15:34:00 GMT Mike Stukalin writes:

>>I need a pair of tires for the rear of my '85 MR2. The size is 185/60hr-14
>>I currently have 2 Yoko 352's up front and 2 bold Dunlops on the back.
>>The car is driven on the street, although I'm looking forward to my first 
>>Auto-X in August.

Hal> I have a set of Y352's on my 1982 Fiat Spyder, and like them a
Hal> lot. They were a big improvement over the Michelin MXL's that
Hal> came on the car when I bought it, for about the same cost.

I recently put a set of Yokohama A378's on both my CRX and MR2.  They have
performed great on the Honda -- very responsive to steering inputs, great 
roadholding, and impressive wet weather traction, but they have been very
poor on the MR2:  handling is squirrely, roadholding is poor, and wet
weather traction is much worse than on the CRX.  Before these purchases
the MR2 was out-performing the CRX in every category.  I have since learned
that the rounded tread design of the 378 is quite unsuitable for a rear-
wheel-drive layout like the MR2.  Mike definitely needs a square tread
on his MR2 -- the Dunlops have probably been doing well for him, and
any Pirelli would be a good choice (I'm trading my MR2's Yokos for Pirelli
P500's next week).

Yokohama's more costly models may have square designs that Mike should look
into; in general I've been really impressed with Yokohama, but anything 
more than the 378 is out of my price range. :-)


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From: rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes)
Subject: Re: Passport Wideband Radar Detectors
Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:35:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.135946.19552@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> russell@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (russell.w.keating) writes:
>trussell@odin.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>
>>    Someone from Motorola posted awhile ago and said that they stopped
>>making the Escort DSP because Motorola jacked up the price of the DSP
>>56000 that it uses.
>
>I heard this same reason from Cincinnati Microwave when I talked to
>them on the phone.  I thought that DSP in radar detectors was the wave
>of the future and asked if the new Passport (the wide band one) had a
>DSP chip in it.  That is when they said no, that the price of the chip
>was too high.  They also said that is why they stopped making the
>Escort DSP.  By the way, the Valentine 1 does not use a DSP chip
>either.

I posted the original bit several weeks ago.  I'm glad we both got the 
same answer from Cincinnati Microwave (CM hereafter).

As for the Passport 3200 NOT using DSP, I beg to differ.  I got a
brochure about the 3200, along with a brochure about CM's lidar detector.
The 3200's brochure says that it *does* use digital signal processing.  
I don't know who's DSP chip they use, though.  They sure don't brag about
it the way they did about the 24 bit Motorola MC56000 DSP.

>I want KA protection and am interested in the top of the line Passport.
>If you look at the specs (*for whatever they are worth*), you'll see that
>the Escort DSP has better X and K sensitivity than the best Passport.  Is
>it enough to be concerned about?  I don't know.  I do know that many
>times I have been saved from instant on radar by my Escort DSP.  I
>recieved one short tone and one LED lit.  I wonder if slightly less
>sensitivity would have caused me to get no early warning at all.  I am 
>not sure, but like I said, I have been saved before by having gotten that
>short, weak, early warning.  I don't want to loose that level of
>performance.

Same here.  I am holding onto my Escort DSP for as long as possible.  The
cops here don't use Ka yet, but they DO use lots of instant on K.  Every
little bit on K sensitivity is needed here in Austin.

>Can't wait to see a good radar detector test; Valantine 1, Passport
>(wide band), Escort DSP, BELL STW 966, ......... ???
>-- 
>Russell Keating, N9LIL ------------> Send email to: russell1@ihlpb.ATT.COM

I doubt you'd see the Escort DSP reviewed now, since it's out of production.
"Car and Driver" said they would do a detector review this year, and even
test CM's new lidar detector.  I am really anxious to see it.

Tom

P.S.  I don't work for the DSP guys, so don't blame me for the price increase. :-)
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:10:44 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <1992Jul24.170947.13741@progress.com> matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper) writes:

>blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:

>>You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
[ stuff deleted ]

>Nothing like a well thought out articulate message...

True, and that _was_ nothing like a well thought out articulate message.

>          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:20:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality


mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:

Marshal> Remember a week or so ago..I was talking about the "Police'
Marshal> Syclone I saw [prob. CHP]....well today..I saw even worse
Marshal> things.  PURE WHITE ON WHITE Interceptors!!!! <for those who
Marshal> don't know..interceptors are the mustang lx's {5.0s} that
Marshal> the CHP uses.>

FYI, Albuquerque city police also use 5.0 LX interceptors (white-on-
white, too) and the New Mexico State Police have a fleet as well.
I've also seen interceptors in use in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia and
Colorado.  'Tis nothing new.

Marshal> I also have seen white on white cruisers..but those are easy 
Marshal> to see with the light bar and / or drop light.

Not impressed.  The APD have been using unmarked Caprice cruisers,
lights hidden in the grille, in *civilian* colors (beige, light blue).
This used to be a nuisance until you realized you could spot them
quickly by their blue plates (for all official vehicles) ... so the
city put civilian-color plates on them!  Now about the only things that
can tip you off are the CB antenna and the driver's-side Q-beam spot-
light.

I've also seen a civilian-camouflaged Mustang interceptor in town --
baby blue with a white top (looked almost like a softtop), no markings.
It did have the city's blue plates, however, and all the usual radar
equipment on the dash. :-)


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From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: unmarked cop cars
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:13:34 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

There has been many postings concerning unmarked cop cars.  I thought
the law says that all police cars must be clearly marked on the 
outside so that they can be spotted.  (Please don't flame me if this
sounds ignorant for this is what I thought the way things worked.)
It appears that the government is doing as much as it can to catch
people who speeds.  Just the other day, my friend got caught by photo-
radar in Southern California.  Was slammed with $50+ for being 10 MPH
over in a 30 MPH area....
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:40:43 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Jul21.221322.531@crc.ricoh.com>, chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff 
Chilton) writes:
> Did the white/white or silver cars you saw have the big
>   decals on the doors?  Also, the silver (also gold) cruisers now being
>   used in the Silicon Valley area are specifically assigned to commercial
>   (read 18 wheeler) enforcement, and shouldn't mess with you in a passenger 
>   car unless your being really stupid.

The silver mustang I saw had a star on it, and had an automobile
(I forget what) pulled over and the CHP was writing a ticket.  The two
times I encountered radar on I-280, the CHp had a car (in one case two cars)
pulled over and was writing tickets.  Perhaps a special occaision?  This
has been about 2 months ago.  I don't drive 280 anymore, so I don't
know if this is still the case.

tom

Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: ++WHAT ARE BEST OILS FOR CAR/BIKE??++
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:10:30 GMT

If you use synthetic iol in a car with a dry clutch, how does that cause it to
slip?  The clutch has nothing to do with the oil.  I am thinking of using
synthetic oil in my BMW K100RS which also has a dry clutch.  I tend not to
service the thing and put a lot of miles onto it before I remember to change
the oil and filter thingy.  Does anybody have any comments on BMW K series and
synthetic oils?

Someone please explain the slipping dry-clutch thing, I am curious......

Nick          DoD 1069

42 ?

"Just another brick (flying) in the wall"

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Subject: Air Conditioning
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:36:16 GMT

I am bout to purchase a new Geo Storm Coupe....

I was a bit confused about the Air Conditioning posts I have
been reading over the past week....


Can someone explain this 1995 thing to me clearly????????????
From: mwilliam@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michelle Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: seatbelt extension
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:42:02 GMT
Reply-To: mwilliam@cipc1.UUCP (Michelle Williams)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Credit Corp. - Dayton, OH

My parents are looking at purchasing a 1992 Chevrolet conversion van.  My
mother is only 4' 11" and is having a problem with the seatbelt.  She has
to have the seat all the way forward in order to drive, but then the
seatbelt will not reach the buckle.  It is approximately 3 inches too
short.  Is there any type of seatbelt extension that could be ordered
through the dealership?  Thank you netland for any advice you may have.



-- 
Michelle Williams
NCR Credit Corp.
Michelle.Williams@cipc1.Dayton.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!cipc1!mwilliam
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hennie@nuustak.csir.co.za (Hennie Rautenbach)
Subject: Info wanted on "Shifter Kits".
Organization: CSIR Information Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:42:11 GMT

Hi

I'm busy restoring a 1972 Chevrolet SS. I think it was originally produced 
in Australia as the Holden Monaro GTS. Its a 2 door coupe sporting a Chevy 
350 Mill with a 2 speed Powerglide transmission. Only about 1500 of these 
were produced locally so they're fairly difficult to come by.

I want to beef the engine up a little and wonder if anyone can supply me 
with the following information:

1. What would the advantages be if I replace the 2 spd Powerglide trans. 
   with a 3 spd. Turbo Hydramatic 350.
2. I see lots of adds for shifter kits. What exactly does a shifter kit do ?
3. Would a 600 cfm Holley provide sufficient gas ?
4. What is the best Intake Manifold to use with this type engine ? 
5. What Camshaft should fit ? I don't want to race or drag the car.

I havent fitted any fancy headers due to space problems under the hood. The 
cylinder heads have been gas-flowed though. 

Any info would be highly appreciated.
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From: twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:51:42 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

From article <1992Jul27.191556.18082@tandem.com>, by norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott):
> 
> Saturn has a 2.5l V6 in plan for the next model year, it is 250 HP
> which is 100 HP/l.  This is right up there with the highest output
> Japanese engines.

This MIGHT be true if you exclude Japanese rotary, turbo, and rotary-turbo
engines.  The RX7 obtains about 195 HP/litre.

--twc@legal.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech.,rec.autos
From: yuechu@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Yuechu Ma)
Subject: Annoying Honda
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:36:21 GMT

 I have a 82 Honda Civic AT, with 120 k mile
Basically, the car runs fine except at starting
when it sometimes stalled and die on the 
acceleration. It happened once and will be fine
until next start. I have check all plugs, wire,
vacuum holes, and found that EGR valve was clogged
and rotor in distributor was pitted. I replaced
both of them, but stalling still persists. I guess
one of thermal sensors on the cylinder block or thermal
valves on thermostat housing was bad.
Is there any Honda owner out there who has the same
experience, I would like to hear from you.
Thank you in advance.

 P.S. This is first time I post news on the net
 sorry for long lines in previous posting.
From: twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota Supra Repost
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:51:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

From article <9207211702.aa25119@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, by pcolline@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU:
> Earlier I posted about Supra's but only one person replied by email.  Doesn't
> anyone own one of these or even like them?

My brother-in-law has a post '86 naturally aspirated Supra.  The car
is a bit on the heavy side and a bit underpowered.  Definitely closer
to the luxury GT paradigm, rather than a sports car.  The turbo
version is a bit quicker, but isn't anything to get excited about.
I do like the looks, though this tends to be a VERY subjective matter.
Quality appears to be good.

twc@legal.uucp
From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OSHA new requirements...
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95r
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:15:27 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange



.a
In an article, myjak@titan.ksc.nasa.gov (Michael D. Myjak) writes:
>Ronald Kushner writes:
>> I recently learned that O.S.H.A will soon start requiring employeers to make 
>> sure employees wear seat belts and helmets if they drive a car/truck or 
>> motorcycle on company time. 
>> 
>
>Where have you been? "Soon start requiring..."  gez. This law has been
>on the books for almost two years now.

It's law that OSHA will fine employers because an man is pulled over without 
his seat belt on while on company time?   Comeon man!

>Besides, its also the law in many states... it saves lives, (cough)
>lowers insurance rates, and in general, is just a plain safe idea.
>So Buckle Up!

I always do, but this looks like a government scam to me. What are we supposed 
to do, babysit the fucking workers?  I really don't see how a company can be 
at fault when someone driving their truck doesn't have a seat belt on. Plus 
the yearly drivers education is outrageous! OSHA is saying holding a drivers 
liscense from the state isn't good enough to drive while on company time, 
weither your driving to pick up a bolt from the hardware store or picking up 
lunch(if you have a paid lunch break).
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Alloy Wheels to improve Gas Mileage?
From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:21:16 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

I'm catching up on news.  So, I'm not sure of the original source - this
gets the idea across though:

>>>>The new Honda Civic VX has a high-tech engine w/ Alloy wheels, low drag
>>>>tires, etc. to make it a very fuel efficient car.  Some of the magazines hint
>>>>that the engine isn't the big win, the wheels are.  [...]
> 
>>>I would doubt that any advantage in gas mileage would be so small as to
>>>be unnoticable by the average driver.  On a test track doing a constant
>>>speed you may notice it, but in traffic the driving style is far more
>>>significant.

How much do the alloy wheels on the Civic cost?  I have a set of rather pricey
wheels/tires on my 626.  The mpg increase sounds like market hype to justify
putting a pricey option (is it optional?) onto an otherwise inexpensive car.
Just a thought...

Joe Karolchik
State College, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: adammot@r-node.gts.org (Adam Mottershead)
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) 24hrs.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:30:43 GMT

>If you want to see *really* stealthy unmarked highway patrol cars, check
>out what North Carolina does (at least used to before I left in 1986).
>Each county had at least 2 unmarked Mustang GTs, with no lightbars on
>the roof nor any funny looking antennas.  In fact, the flashing lights 
>were mounted in behind the grille, and could only be seen when you were 

Are you speaking of the older GT's (pre 1987)?  As if they are the current
generation of Mustangs, it would be impossible to see the lights, as the
grill is a solid piece of metal.  Unless they would mount the flashers
underneath right near the fog lights, which would seem low.
>
>I bet they still do that; maybe Camaros are also used now.  Any North
>Carolinians out there want to verify this?  I'll be in Raleigh in a
>few weeks, and any info is greatly appreciated :-).

When I drove through NC a little while back I didn't see any Camaros.  But
here in Toronto, the Metro Police bought either 2 or 3 1992 Camaro RS's for
street and highway patrol.

This may start a debate, but what is the use of these cars?  The police line
is that someone who might decide to 'run' will stop because they see that
it is a Camaro (Mustang, etc.).  Personally, I feel it would just encourage
a person to take off.
 
If a person is thinking about taking off on a cop, just because a cop is
driving a high-performance car won't make them stop, they may want to
'race' and beat them even more.

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