HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Collector's Harleys $ and frauds
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:41:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.210812.28462@PA.dec.com>, dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) writes:
> |>OK, how much is a complete 1955 Pan in good to very good condition with
> |>original red paint worth?  It has virtually no rust, the chrome is decent,
> |>there was only a small puddle (only a few drips :-) ) and the motor
> |>supposedly runs.
> 
> Original red paint doesn't mean very much unless the bike is absolutely
> BONE stock. More importantly, is the frame untouched? No rake, no
> molding, no welding.
> 
> Value would range from $3500-5K for an old chopper to $6K-12K for a
> stock original bike. It has to be absolutely showroom clean with every
> single part OEM to get $12K. If it's a good clean totally stock bike, $7K-
> 8K. 

The frame appears untouched and I didn't see any unoriginal looking welds.
It appears to be bone stock but only good-very good condition (not
excellent).  The guy is asking $12K but I also thought it was a bit high.

Interest folks can pursue the bike by calling Kosco HD in Pompton Plains,
NJ.  The bike is on the floor and the $12K price may be somewhat 
flexible.

- Roid 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: 4 valve HD
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.142148.9375@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>The only thing I like about Edison is their
>constant stock of S&S jets and gaskets...

	I like their proximity.  Trenton is a convoluted path through busy
streets to reach, Burlington and Langhorne are a stretch, and Bound Brook is
also out of the way.  When you need little stuff and you get it home and find
that you forgot this or that, 30-50 miles is a ways to travel.  Might be worth
it though, especially since I can do without Howard's attitude (parts guy).

>Otto and Joe Williams sold HD Bound Brook to a long standing customer but
>will stick around a while until the new guy gets up to speed.  These two
>guys have been there more than 50 years and the place was run by a related
>Williams before that.  There is no better dealer in NJ.

	I will have to check it out.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: malodah@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (Martin A. Lodahl)
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Reply-To: malodah@PacBell.COM (Martin A. Lodahl)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:10:55 GMT

In article <mtrost.716227477@convex.convex.com> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
+In <1992Sep10.012539.6335@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
+
+>	There is no such thing as an '82 or '83 Panhead.  '48 to '65 only.  I
+>thought they were all 74s (1200cc) too.  Am I wrong (Oldchop?)?
+
+Yes. They also made a 61 (1000cc) Not sure of the production years, but a
+friend of my stepfather just got his running after sitting since 1963. It's a
+1950, I believe he bought it new in 1951.

The model EL, 1936-1952.  '36-'47 models were, of course, knucklers, and
'48-'52 were pans.  After the FL was introduced in '41, interest in the
smaller engine began to fade.  Many parts were common between the two
models.
-- 
= Martin A. Lodahl    [DoD, AHA, NRA]  Systems Analyst, Pacific*Bell =
= malodah@PacBell.COM		Sacramento, CA, USA     916.972.4821 =
= If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, =
= Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!!  8-)} =
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tonyr@oz.plymouth.edu (Tony Raymond)
Subject: Resale Values
Reply-To: tonyr@oz.plymouth.edu (Tony Raymond)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 02:02:25 GMT



	I was told that Harley's boast one of the best re-sale
	values in the biking industry. So when I bought my
	sportster, I did so thinking I wouldn't lose a lot when
	it was time to trade up (which is soon... it's a fever)

	So, what will my '92 sporster be worth in a year or two?
	How about 5 or 10?

	Thanks.
	

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
A. W. Raymond	|
Garrett Group   |	P.O. Box 387, Plymouth, NH  03264
		|
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles.harley:274 alt.beer:5252 rec.crafts.brewing:5300
From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:37:59 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <Bu85xE.68z@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.191003.2869@c3.PLA.CA.US> niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>>Feeling inadequate today? Must be all that red meat. Maybe a little more rice
>>in your diet would lend balance to your disposition...
>
>Want more rice?  Drink Bud.  They even admit to it

   Want more taste?  Drink Guinness Extra Stout.  :)
 
   Seriously, though...has anyone here tried Sapporo Black?  I'm looking
for a beer similar to Guinness with not *quite* as much a 'burnt' after-
taste.  Negra Modelo is good, but just a tad weak.  Any suggestions?

   Later,  
-- 
Ernest Crvich                          A vomit-like substance
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Is formed from its innards, 
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                A festering slime         
ernest.crvich@bbs.oit.unc.edu          That revels inside.       
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Sportster 5 speed tranny question
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:01:27 GMT

I went to a local Harley dealer to try and find out some detailed info
on the 5 speed Sportster tranny. They couldn't tell me anything! Specifically,
I want/need to know what are the *internal* gear ratios(number of teeth of
each pair of gears would help), what type of mechanism is used to actuate
the shifting forks? (rotating drum; camplate; etc.).  I'm thinking of using
a Sportster tranny for a project bike *if* the internal ratios etc. work out.

Anybody had, or know anyone who has access to this info? Details would be
greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
S.
-- 
   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
    #   AMA #600897             "If you push something hard enough,   #
     #   DoD #0227               It will fall over."                 #
      #  US/INOA #8563                     -- Fudd's First Law      #
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: stock Evo cases too weak for big bore
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:26:15 GMT
 <Stafford-140992144523@stafford.winona.msus.edu> <1992Sep14.204210.208@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Sep14.204210.208@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com
(Keeper of the 'Tude) wrote:
> 
> How amusing.  Mr Shovel-snob was trumped my Mr Pan-snob.  Mr Knuckle-snob
> we're waiting...
> 

Not.  Mine's a Pan/Shovel (Pan bottom, Shovel top.)  I swapped
the Pans for shovels ages ago.  Panhead (heads) suck.  I 
wouldn't use 'em for ashtrays.

john
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Need info on locking Gas Caps
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:56:34 GMT

In article <mtrost.716058711@convex.convex.com> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
>In <sefCZWm0hXuaMsgFZR@andrew.cmu.edu> "Shirl G. Grant" <sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>>Aren't bike gas caps vented (or one of the 2 for fat bobs)?  I thought
>>this was the major difference between car and bike gas caps.
>
>>-SunShine
>
>Sunshine, this is my understanding: (anyone, correct me if I'm wrong)
>
>Single tanks are vented caps.
>Dual tanks: left one is solid, right one is vented. I assume because the kick
>stand is on the left side, therefor it leans to the left when parked, and you
>don't want the gas leaking out the vent hole, if it were on the left tank.

	On dual tanks, if the gas level on the left tank is higher than the
level of the gas cap, gasoline WILL run out all over everything.  I wish it
weren't so, but it seems to be.

	While we're on the subject of gas caps, does anyone know where I can
get the replacement left cap that is actually a fuel gauge?  I think it looks
slick and I want one, but no one I've asked so far can give me a pointer.  It
would be nice to have one, especially if it was lit for nighttime use
(provided it couldn't spark!).

-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Minimalist Maintenance (was valves)
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:23:23 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System


Another example of minimalist maintenance.
  From the official HD Panhead Service Manual (48-57)
  Page 85.  Last sentence.

  "Therefore, tappet adjustment is normally required only in new en-
gine assembly and when the engine is reassembled after having been
taken apart for repair."

Take _that_ ducati freaks!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Goofy Harley Questions
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:01:17 GMT

In article <18p028INNoji@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>Goofy question #1:
>Some years ago, in one of the Kit Car magazines, I seem to remember
>reading about a kit that would let you take a Sportster motor
>and plug it into what looked like a very early 1900s H-D frame.
>(Bright red, brass headlight, bicycle wheels, etc.)
>Does anybody know about such a thing?

Don't know this one.

>
>Goofy question #2:
>Is there much difference in ride quality, comfort, and handling
>between a FatBoy and a Springer?

Had a chance to ride both of them at Daytona this year. Both were
comfortable to ride on, the Springer seemed a little 'soft' in the
front end, while the FatBoy felt 'massive' to steer.  It may have 
been a head thing.  My wife also rode both of them and she decided
she wanted a fatboy and I decided I wanted the springer. I feel 
that it is more of a 'looks' thing then any serious differences in
the ride quality and comfort.  As to handling, neither one of them
is a sports bike. :-)

>
>-
>-John H. Osborn
>-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
>-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar
-- 
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1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:27:30 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

 corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) said:

> In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

> A whole bunch of unnecessary crap that I've deleted.

>Since this guy can easily be located at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland,
>OH where he's obviously a (young) student, it should be relatively easy for
>the moderator of this newsgroup to contact the Sysop at CWRU and have his
>account deleted. Otherwise CWRU could find itself in the middle of a legal
>battle they really don't want to be in.

	NOT the way it goes, Corun.  What in the world makes you think
	that bz206 has doen anything to warrant his account being deleted?
	Do you have some facist bent? LEGAL BATTLE?  Give us a break.
	Show me the terms, asshole.

 john

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:37:28 GMT

In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

>I own a Ducati.  It will outrun ANY Harlie, even if I keep it
>1st gear all the way.  It runs better, looks better, sounds 
>better, I could go on, but I don't want to ruin your day
>all at once.

	Yea, but don't you need to *get* running first, and for that you 
need ducati parts, and ducati parts are slightly more difficult to get
then replacement gears for a babbage engine. In contrast, I clean the
plugs on my bike by swapping them into my truck for a week, and I can 
get most of the little stuff at the local auto parts store. What I can't
get there is almost certainly in stock at my Harley dealer, who will offer
me a choice of HD parts, CCI parts or a cuple of other after market brands.
If I really want to get funky, I can buzz over to zippers and change the
entire style of the bike, or I can wander out to a swap meet and change
my bike from an FX to an FL for about $200.

	Mind, a Peso would look fine parked next to my shovel, just
to break up the riding season.

-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Yuppie Posers From Hell
Summary: gastric disturbance
Keywords: knuckle, money, heave
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:34:17 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University


	I was eating lunch today at a favorite local Mexican restaurant and 
calmly reading the paper when I came across an article that nearly caused me 
to blow chunks of half-digested enchiladas all over the table. Excerpts 
follow:

	``Santa wore leather for Neiman's Harley preview''

	DALLAS-...The Dallas-based department store chain revved up the 
	holiday shopping season by showing off its 1992 his-and-hers 
	gift: vintage Harley-Davidson motorcycles with sidecars.

	Santa, wearing leather, roared up to a catalog preview party 
	on a black $35,000 version. About 100 people at the Fair Park 
	gathering squealed in delight.

	...``Well, it's certainly unique. I don't think it would fit 
	in my garage,'' said Diane Plotkin of Dallas.

	Neiman Marcus will find and restore Harley-Davidsons from 1939-
	1942; motorcycles from 1947-1949 can also be ordered. Last year's 
	his-and-hers gift was an LTV Hummer selected in the spirit of 
	Operation Desert Storm.

	[Neiman's President] Lundgren said the motorcycles are fun and 
	easy to ride.

	``They're not just for the traditional bikers anymore,'' he said.
	``You'll see executives, Hollywood types, everyone.''

Just when I thought I'd successfully fought off the bile rising in my 
gorge, I scanned the end of the article describing some of the other 
items in the catalog:

	...browsers took particular delight in climbing in and out of 
	an electric Mercedes-Benz golf cart that boasted a television, 
	cellular phone and compact disc player.

	``Isn't that fabulous,'' one woman said. ``Think of all the 
	soaps you can watch.''

Jesus f*ck*ng H. Christ on a g*dd*mn crutch. $35K Knuckles, and now this.
They oughta just build replicas of the old bikes with Evo motors, then they 
could open up a boutique to take care of the rampant demand sure to follow 
for fake Panhead covers and kickers.

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@math.rice.edu
'81 Honda CB750/836F
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@upsilon.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: internal prejudice
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.171919.7951@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> loki@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) writes:
>
>	I've caught up on all the Harley posts.  And I've noticed a curious
>"tone" in the comments of some hard-core (from all appearances) HD types.
>There seems to be some bias against the Evo series  and in favour of the older
>classic xxxxx-head machines (xxxxx is "shovel, pan, bucket, bottle,
>spoon"...  anything that can hold oil, I guess).
>
I own both types, an iron head sporty, a shovel head FXR and two evo
sporties, I like them all, although I'm not sure I would be classified as
a hardcore HD type, I have been riding for 30 years and put 30K+ on my 
bikes each year.  Some times I get the impression that it is more envy
then predjudice.  Just an observation.

>	Besides the fact that the Evos are often the prize of poser,
>wannabe Yuppie bikers, what is the prejudice?  A classic is a classic; 
>some people make a passion out of collecting antiques.  Some don't.  But
>the implication seems to be that Evos are... not quite as Harley as the
>rest.
>
>	My imagination or am I missing something?
>
  Don't think your missing anything, the feeling does exist.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Subject: DFW H-D dealers
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc.,  Richardson, TX
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:43:27 GMT

Tried to e-mail ya,  but no luck getting outta here.  So I'm posting.
  
Hi Mike.  I chose H-D of Texas in Bedford simply because they were able to
get me the bike I wanted quiker than any other dealer in the area.  I did
experience an additional delay outside of the normal wait you had to go
through,  but that was because the H-D factory workers went on strike
during that time.  The saleswoman was very receptive to my agony over
the event,  and did a great deal to keep me calm and collected during
the additional delay.  In fact,  she even provided me with a phone number
of the PR Dept in Milwaukee.


  The meat of previous discussions about the DFW dealers regarded the Service
  Departments.  In summary,  H-D of Dallas (Garland) is lame,  The Harry Hines
  dealer (?) is lame,  but H-D of Texas (Bedford) is alright.

   IMO if you're buying a new bike,  buy it wherever.  They are all capable of
   unboxing the thing.  If you want it altered from factory stock,  ask around
   for pricing (they will deal).  I had the buckhorn bars replaced with
   low-rise bars before delivery.  H-D of Dallas wanted $200+ to do it,  but
   H-D of Texas did it for free (they kept the buckhorns).

     Have fun,
     Jim Combs,  `91 XLH1200.
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Goofy Harley Questions
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:25:12 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Goofy question #1:
Some years ago, in one of the Kit Car magazines, I seem to remember
reading about a kit that would let you take a Sportster motor
and plug it into what looked like a very early 1900s H-D frame.
(Bright red, brass headlight, bicycle wheels, etc.)
Does anybody know about such a thing?

Goofy question #2:
Is there much difference in ride quality, comfort, and handling
between a FatBoy and a Springer?

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: stock Evo cases too weak for big bore
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:08:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.132744.1143@engage.pko.dec.com>, dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) writes:
> 89" is 4 3/4" stroke on a stock Evo bore.

NOT!  89" is a 4 5/8" stroke on a stock Evo bore.  The part # for the S&S
kit is 2489.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Resale Values
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:48:55 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Sep14.020225.3199@oz.plymouth.edu> tonyr@oz.plymouth.edu (Tony Raymond) writes:
>	So, what will my '92 sporster be worth in a year or two?

 I was at a D/FW area H-D dealer last Saturday morning with a friend who
 was picking up his new '93 Springer Softail and the saleswoman asked when
 I would be ready to trade in my '91 Sportster XLH-1200 (12.5k miles, a
 couple hundred $$ worth of add-on chrome goodies). She offered $7k trade
 in value (I had it there for her to look at, it's in pretty clean shape).
 I paid $6.5k for it in July '91. I'd say that's holding it's value REALLY
 well !!!

 Peace,
=======================================================================
= Neal Howard                         | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 =
= email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | DoD # 686                     =
= CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          =
=======================================================================
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Other foreign Harley clones
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:59:49 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System


 gt@prosun.first.gmd.de (Gerd Truschinski) said:

>I`m sorry about that, but the Ural is similar to the 1935 BMW. I don't
>think that they also build HDs.

Gads, he is right!  Ural came into being around 1979.  Let's see,
they are a 12 year old company making 55 year old technology.  Sounds
like a prequisite for a Harley Clone shop to me.
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Evo vs. Shovelhead HP
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Sep14.203557.1217@msus1.msus.edu>, stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:

| Yea, the new Harleys are just appliances.  We have entered that age
| where there are the users and builders and little inbetween.  Bolting
| on performance kits is not building.  It is betweening.  But that's
| about all the soul or energy many have today.  So be it.  I look forward
| to all those Evos up for sale when the rage wears off.  When we shall
| ride again.

  I loved my pan, but I didn't work on it all that time because I like
to work on bikes, I worked because it didn't. It only took about a month
of flattening mating edges and making custom gaskets to get the oil to
stay inside.

  Now you can buy them that way from the factory and ride every nice day
instead of taking the cage to work all week while you fix whatever
broke. You can commute 100+ miles each way to work and get to snow
season with no amusing stories to tell.

  If you enjoy working on bikes that's nice, but there's nothing wrong
with people who would rather ride, and who don't want to hang out the
"custom bike" sign for every ripoff artist and cop in the world. And now
that HD makes a bike you don't have to "fix or push" a few times a week,
they are making money again.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
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