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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.014403.2407@cirrus.com> dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.214210.19181@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
>rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>
>>Let's get this discussion back on the REAL message of the
>>original post: the Japanese coordinated attack on industry
>                   ^alleged
>>in the US, and the mercantilistic trading practices of Japan.
>
>Do you know when the US will get back on track?  When it stops blaming
>Japan.

For what, even Japanese Economic policy that is protectionist, and export
driven?  Sorry, I put the correct blame where the blame lies.

>
>The US owes Japan a lot.  Why do Americans buy Japanese products?
>Because they are inexpensive and work well.  This means that consumers
>in the US have to spend less to buy the same thing, or they can spend
>the same and get better quality.  This means that consumers in the US
>have more money to invest, and they can invest more in industry in
>their own country.  The low price of Japanese products HELPS consumers
>in the US spend less and save and invest more.

You forget also, that much of that pricing is mercantilist - so low that
their margins are mere slivers [though behind trade barriers in Japan,
they charge a WHOLE LOT MORE, getting HUGE margins to make up for the losses
in the US], and thereby drive all competitors out of buisiness.  When this
happens, they then can raise prices [no domestic competition, see?] and
then seek further markets to plunder.  SO goes the theory.

However, with large imports, the domestic producers go out of buisiness,
causing unemployment, reduced incomes, and stagnating economic growth [due
to large sums of cash leaving the economy].  Thus incomes can go down.

>And they would have a LOT to save and invest if they were not paying
>around 60% of their earnings in taxes.  THAT is a real problem.

What tax braket are *you* in?  I end up paying 30%[federal] + 7% [fica] +
3% [state] = 40% in taxes.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.223532.29777@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <BzDqE6.3nB@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>>  I'm not blaming the lack of efforts on the US side to educate him, but
>>I cannot agree to the argument that Japanese should not come to the US
>>unless they are "Americanized" Japanese. As I mentioned at the beginning,
>>a cross-cultural interaction is often more meaningful when we are exposed to
>>something more foreign. 

>	Agreed, but the traveler in a foreign land should be aware of the
>	most significant dangers of life in that land if they are to be
>	minimally assured of a safe and healthy stay.  Regardless of what
>	should or should not be, one NEEDS to be as aware and mindful as 
>	possible.

  I believe that many Japanese travelers are more or less informed of the 
most significant dangers already by mass media, travel agencies, tour
guides or other Japanese. (Ironically, that's why the bus tour [by
bullet-proof bus?] to the dangerous area in Manhattan was (and still is?)
popular among some Japanese tourists.) However, I wonder if the firearms
in the ordinary Americans should be counted as one of the most significant 
dangers. I'd rather think that this is one of the subtleties of American 
culture which most Japanese tourists would never be exposed to.

 Of course, it's useful for travelers to learn about the subtlety of a 
foreign culture and there should be more efforts in Japan made to familiarize
Japanese with it, but once again, you cannot expect them to be as
knowlegeable as the natives. 

--Michiaki
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:18:02 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


=> In article <Bz4wow.2DK@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu 
=>(Joey Maier) writes:

=> >I know that it is not a reasonable comparison since English is my first
=> >language and I have only been trying to learn Japanese for one year, but
=> >2000 kanji seems like a hell of alot of literacy to me!

In article <Bz6342.F0G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
(Brent Irvine) writes:
=> To a foreigner trying to learn it, sure, but consider that English has
=> over 100,000 words, about 10,000 are in common usage, with similar numbers
=> for the Japanese, then knowing 2000 words in your first language may
=> be considered very *basic* understanding.
=> 
=> While I do not mean to imply that the Japanese do this, if one can lower
=> standards enough, EVERYONE can be made literate or illiterate.

For your information, Brent (and maybe others), 2000 kanji are much
more than two thousand words, as they are used in complex arrangements
of two, three, four and more to form entirely different concepts and
constructs. Those 2000 Kanji provide a literacy level similar to that
needed to read a top-level US periodical or newspaper. I don't think
the standard of literacy is quite so different.

- Bill Lambert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: baruku
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:36:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <1992Dec12.204930.45590@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> by kentaro@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu:

> Dear Rikiya Asano,
> 
> do you mean Buraku instead of Baruku?

No, he means ETA.  You could hardly expect discretion from the leading racist
in s.c.j, could you?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Excuses by the TSU band for Shoplifting in Akihabara.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:43:46 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>Among educational institutions, it is ranked close to last in academics.
>On the other hand, it is also one of the poorest universities in the USA.

That's an idea that I got, and just out of curiousity, I opened a college 
catalogue and found out that I was about right.  I also had a good guess that 
the school was in Houston.-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: ONE-DOLLAR MANGA FOR SALE
Date: 18 Dec 1992 04:04:53 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

>Maruo's work is very unusual, and wonderfully-twisted stuff, but I sure
>wouldn't call it unavailable.  Blast Books here in the U.S. has printed
>one of his books in an English translation, and when I was in Japan in
>September I found his books in numerous stores (even the Kinukuniya in
>Shinjuku had them, though I had to search a bit since nobody behind the
>counters had ever heard of him).  The books are fairly inexpensive in
>Japan, and I've actually got a wholesale source for them from there.
>They are of course in Japanese, hence not quite as useful for English
>readin' folks, but to some extent you can enjoy them without being able
>to read them, as much of them is silent 'action.'
>
However, what I have to offer is out-of-print works by defunct publishing
companies.  Keep in mind, that a man like Maruo Suehiro's manga is bound
not to continue in print for long.  Yes, a couple of his works have been
printed in English, but they are not the ones that I am selling.  I can
assure you that very few issues of "DDT" and "Paranoia Star" remain on the
planet.  Of course, you can contact overseas wholesale suppliers to sell
the untranslated versions to you at whatever markup they please, but I
swear I make no more than 10% profit for this photocopy venture.  Just
helping pay the man's Tokyoesque rent, for this run-down studio apt.
From: dcroz@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Not a Myth at All
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:25:18 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

Joey Maier writes:
 
=}I don't feel like MY roommate & suitemates (all Japanese) have ever acted in
=}a racist manner towards me.
 
     Not so's you've noticed, anyway.
 
=}I also know that I am unable to look deep into their psyche and see exactly
=}what they think about me.
 
     Not being telepathic is a real drag, ain't it?
 
=}They can't think too unfavorably of me, or we wouldn't have chosen to live
=}together for the second year in a row.
 
     Better the ketou you know. . .Besides, the fact that I keep a dog doesn't
mean I consider him my equal.
 
=}IMHO, every country, and every race contains some racists.  Also most, if
=}not all, people have residual traces of latent racism.
 
     Everybody keeps saying that, as though it were relevant to something. 
Find me a Japanese who's not a racist.  *That* would be relevant.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Looking for book about a Sony intern
From: crock@netlink.cts.com (Tom Crocker)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 18:08:30 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


> I am trying to find the title of a book about a guy who went to work
> at Sony as an intern.  Apparently he felt that he was not being given
> work up to his level of experience, and complained to the president.
> This resulted in his being fired.
> The book was mentioned to me as a source of information about things that
> you can do wrong when working in Japan.
> 
> Stephen
> stephend@ai.mit.edu

I think the book you're looking for is:

        Funny Business by Gary Katzenstein, prentice Hall, 1989.

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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:34:10 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Most guilty race: white or yellow?
	<1992Dec10.173249.11683@stiatl.salestech.com>
Distribution: usa

Mr. Sullivan writes:

>No individual is responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

If Dodge City picked you to be their representative than there's alot to
be desired. Of course, the answer is not taking responisiblity but
rather paying back what the "ancestors" abused or took! Your dense! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.202003.29412@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <0f_5Jq600iV280Z0hk@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>>(This is the proper use of commas)
>
>This is the proper use of periods.
>--
>"If your spelling and grammer is so bad, you cannot get your meaning
>across or cause ambiguities, then it has a write to be flamed."
                                            ^^^^^  
right, not write

>	-- dirque, on rec.games.mud
>
>Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)

Don't gripe about someone's grammar and punctuation in their second
language if you can't spell in your first language.

Joey          maierj@andrews.edu
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: sumo comes to America, NFL players to participate
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:06:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sol.hit.724129598
Organization: University of North Texas

PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:

>	Verne Gagne (former pro wrestler) came up with American
>Sumo Wrestling - a sport that pits National Football League
>linemen against each other using rules similar to traditional
>Japanese sumo wrestling.

Must be one of the last idea by Uncle Verne, another one of those victims
of the WWF's national expansion back in '84 which totally changed the pro-
wrestling from a brutal entertainment in no-kids-allowed arena to a kids-aimed 
total joke in non-smoking places.-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: tom@crane.imagen.com (tom lowdermilk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Naruhodo the World: What is it?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:21:50 GMT
Reply-To: tom@crane.imagen.com (tom lowdermilk)
Organization: imagen

In article <1830002@hplred.HPL.HP.COM>, ajeans@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Albert Jeans) writes:
|> Naruhodo the World is a game show where celebrities are shown film clips of 
|> strange things going on around the world and try to answer a question like,
|> "What is this man doing, or what is this used for?" I found it quite 
|> interesting while is was being shown in the Bay Area (it's not anymore).

I kind of miss it too. "TSUISEKI" is being shown now. There's also an
Australian version of the show, but the MC is really corny. 

- tjl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:44:49 GMT
	<SMITTIE.92Dec9134505@tui.csulb.edu>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan

In article <SMITTIE.92Dec9134505@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@csulb.edu (Smittie)
   writes:

 =}In Japan the testing process shuffles
 =}those who can pass the standardized tests to the top and those who cannot to
 =}The bottom. But those who shuffle to the bottom still complete high school.

   Not quite true (though pretty close).  The bone heads usually don't
go to high school.  High school is not required in Japan and one has to pass
the entrance exams to get in.  Bone heads won't pass the exams so bone heads
won't be counted...

 =}Japan's high school graduation rate is in the 90%'s somewhere.

   90some% of the entrant rate maybe...
From: georg@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Using 110V,60Hz equip on 100V,60Hz??
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:57:27 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <1992Dec16.004926.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec91025@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Ian Hobday) writes:

>Happily, I will be travelling to Japan early in the new year, and will 
>probably be taking a notebook designed for use on 110V, 60Hz power.  I will 
>be going to Osaka, where I understand the power is 100V, 60Hz with 
>non-polerized plugs.  The question is, of course, will I fry my machine???
>Although I am not planning to, what if I end up travelling to an area that 
>is 100V, 50Hz?  What then?

I had been using an American C128, monitor and printer in Tokyo for four
years. The voltage was no problem, but due to the "wrong" frequency (50Hz
instead of 60Hz as in the US) some programs didn't run (or with incorrect
timing). Ironically I would have been better off using a European model
(for 220V/50Hz) with a voltage transformer.
I don't think you should experience such problems with modern computers,
however.
Japan (at least the eastern part) is among the few regions (what about
Australia and NZ?) where both 50 Hz net frequency and NTSC video are being
used (the C64/128 kernel ROM determins which frequency is expected for
the clocks by checking the video mode, just for those who are interested
in such details...).
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: RIKIYA ASANO
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:15:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <RHB.92Dec12155135@world.std.com> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
>Which goes to show that it takes all kinds to make a world. I would
>have thought not one person out of six billion would listen to this
>little maggot Rikiya Asano (who, if he did graduate with honors
>certainly didn't earn any of them in English; and he no speaka da
>Japanese too good neither, apparently). But I was wrong. There *is* one.

Rob, stereo-typing groups of people, whether they consist of six or
six billion people, is an ignorant and, perhaps, dangerous behavior,
and you have rightfully proved it yourself.  Your prejudiced opinion
above is no different from Rikiya's, and I hope you realize it.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:36:45 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>So, there is nothing wrong with saying "I find Korean-ge and Japanese-ge
>women to be more esthetically pleasing than Chinese-ge women".

Do you by any chance have ever thought about the concept that there might be
people who subscripe to this newsgroup who are not in the least interested in
what you as a person find attractive in women and what not?

In other words: what do I care! You must find yourself incredibly interesting
if you want to share this knowledge with the rest of the USENET world.

Or, in other words: get a life, punk!

Thank you for your attention!


(Geez what a jerk!)

--
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From: grant@bluemoon.use.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Blue Moon
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:55:23 GMT

cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:

>In article <Ef_fE1i00iV144SjxH@andrew.cmu.edu>, ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>> Don't fuck with me man!

>> But, let me say this, KEEP F**KIN' ME!

>And when you do, boys, remember:

>> Yes, I do ! I like the Greek Culture! Now, what's wrong with that?

 I guess Riki came here becuase he didn't like the way he was being
reared, but he will go home after a while because he can't leave his
brother's behind...

(note proper use of apostrophes)

-- 
\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.use.com)   /

        Good leaders being scarce, following yourself is allowed.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: andy@nff.ncl.Omron.Co.Jp (Andy Krantz)
Subject: Re: Saying "Yes" to Japan
Reply-To: andy@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Computer Systems R&D Labs 
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:09:13 GMT

In article <JJAS.92Dec12213956@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu>, jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson) writes:
> 	I am beginning my phase of the war by posting this one last message and
> unsubscribing this group.--I am one gaijin who will not take it up the ass.
> 
> 			Saionara, Suckers

Whew! I thought he would never leave.

Interesting tactics to be used in a strangely defined war. I wish him well.

-- 
 Andy Krantz   andy@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp   \ Everyone stares at me 'cause I is
 Phone: +81-75-951-5111 x3691 FAX: 956-7403\ gaijin. I understand nobody and 
 OMRON Corp., Computer Systems R&D Labs    / nobody understand me. How could
 Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo Kyoto, 617 Japan/   I possibly speak for company?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: D O E S A M E R I C A S A Y Y E S T O J A P A N ?
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:56:45 GMT

irie@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert E. Irie) writes:

>In article <Bz6342.F0G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

>   To a foreigner trying to learn it, sure, but consider that English has
>   over 100,000 words, about 10,000 are in common usage, with similar numbers
>   for the Japanese, then knowing 2000 words in your first language may
>   be considered very *basic* understanding.

>Hmm I think there is a BIG difference in the two languages. English, although
>it has 100,000 words( is that really true?), has an ALPHABET. Japanse and
>......
>One question- Are we talking about the AVERAGE person in each country?
>If so, I doubt the AVERAGE American knows 10,000 words.


The English language has approximately 490,000 words and about 300,000
technical terms!! But according to the Guiness Book of World records, it
is doubtful if an individual uses more than 60,000.


Charlie

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From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Dumping (was: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:18:01 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <23078@venera.isi.edu>, jlacoss@isi.edu (Jeff LaCoss) writes:
=>  THEIR government allowed THEIR industries to place an economic burden
=> on THEIR consumers to subsidize predatory pricing, or "dumping."
=> People in the US (and hence most of the chicken-shits in government)
=> would never stand for being screwed so business could wax fat. Dumping
=> is illegal in the US. US courts have ruled that TVs, DRAMs, and VCRs
=> have been dumped in order to kill US competition.

I was just wondering...

In at least the case of televisions, Japanese makers have indeed
captured the market, but by my experience anyway, I din't notice
the prices increase notably after this market dominance. It seems
that the Japanese makers are very competitive among themselves,
and the prices on the low-end to mid-range video products keeps
going down. 

Does anyone have any hard data that supports the major hypothesis
of dumping, in that after the industry has been captured, prices
(or profit margins) would increase to compensate for the years
that the products were sold at less than cost?

=> People in the US (and hence most of the chicken-shits in government)
=> would never stand for being screwed so business could wax fat. 

People in the US (and elsewhere) have continually stood still and
been screwed so business could wax fat. Where you been? Can you
say S&L... for one.

- Bill Lambert