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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:04:01 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan7.202904.5298@athena.mit.edu>, amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis) writes:
> |> mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
> |> > the android was annoying, but then, any android character is going to
> |> > get compared to Data in ST:TNG...
> 
> I liked the android.  Especially the smiles.  I was a little disappointed
> that they got rid of him.  He was the result of some good lines.
> 
> 	"don't touch my weapon"  pause "great, uh, just ask me next time"


He reminded me a lot of the android on "Red Dwarf", with all the angles
smoothed out of his face.
> 
> 
> I long ago determined that the pilot was not an accurate judge of 
> an episode.  Many shows improve after the actors get used to the roles.
> 
> Anyway, my thoughts:
> 
> - The name is corny

Yup.

> - I was a little disappointed with the stereotypical characters, but
> it's been a long time since I've seen some original characters in science
> fiction.  

Here's a thought: when was the last time you saw an original character in
any tv program? I think the more unusual one's can't make it because of
censorship/programming standards, so the range of character types is limited
by necessity.

> -I think the generals son might have some potential.

also yup.

> -The only special effect I "noticed" as being an effect was when she
> was piloting the ship.  Everything else I could pretend away.
> 

I didn't like the ship. Actually, I prefer simetry in design (it seems to make
sense when your ship is supposed to be atmosphere capable), so the truncated
starboard wing section leaves me wondering what's going on with this otherwise
more-or-less aerodynamic craft.

> I'll watch it again.
> 

me too.

> 	Ann
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> MIT Center for Space Research		


Joe
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From: larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky)
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Subject: QL: Don Bellisario lecture
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:51:47 EDT
Organization: The Satellite of Love

Unfortunately I don't have details, but I've heard that Learning
Tree University (which I gather is one of those adult evening courses
kind of things) is hosting a lecture called "Inside Quantum" Leap,
with Don Bellisario, to be given on January 20 (apparently in one of
the dubbing/screening rooms at Universal, though it's not entirely 
clear).  The cost is listed as $39.

Just thought some of you west coasters might be interested...

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From: gtchen@speech.sri.com (George T. Chen)
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Subject: Listings
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:12:59 GMT
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In-reply-to: mab@buphy.bu.edu's message of 6 Jan 93 13:41:58 GMT


Ack!  Just got back from NY and haven't had time to locate any
television listings for the bay area yet.  Can someone quickly
email me the following information:

Date, Time, Channel, and episiode for:  Deep Space 9
					Babylon 5
					Time Trax
					Space Rangers

thanks!!

George T. Chen
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From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: V (Was Re: WANTED: V)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:47:00 GMT

gopher@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz) writes:

>You got it all, Boris.  There were *two* miniseries:  one with 2 parts, and 
>one with 3 parts.  And I think there were 18 episodes in the regular
>series (on NBC?).  The miniseries chronicled the invasion of the Visitors 
>and their infiltration into American (& Los Angeles) society.  I think the
>18-episode series showed the resistance trying to rid Earth of the Visitors.

Right, first came V: The Original (as it was later called when the second
mini-series came out), where we meet the Visitors and learn who they *really*
are. That mini ends with a battle in the Resistance's mountain camp, and a
message being beamed into space asking for help.

Then came V: The Final Battle, where the action really gets going. We see
Diana get even more viscious, and watch as she tries to convert Juliet Parish.
Also, we watch the birth of Elizabeth, the star child. The mini ends with a
successful Red Dust campaign, and the Visitors fleeing.

Then, in the weekly series, we discover that the Red Dust is only effective
in climates where it periodically freezes, and the Visitors return. This time,
Diana has a vengeance! The series came to an abrupt halt with the Resistance
being captured and brought to the Mother Ship. I remember something about
Kyle and Elizabeth sneaking onto a shuttle headed back to Sirius and the
Leader.. ?

>BTW, does anyone collect the "V" books?  I have about a dozen, but am looking
>for more.

Yes, I used to collect those, and now they seem quite rare. I've got all the
paperback (including the Tor revival), plus even the three hardcovers put out
by Gregg. (It was just the first three paperbacks in hardcover format.) Check
your local used bookstore; sometimes you get lucky. =)

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From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Re: SF on TV
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:20:27 GMT

In article <C0LMB1.wq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) asks:
>Isn't DS9 a Bajoran station, not Cardassian?  I haven't
>watched my tape again, but I could have sworn that was it.

It's Cardassian. I remember one of the characters muttering about Cardassian
architecture, which puts the commanding officer's station above everyone
elses. - Chuck


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From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SF on TV
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:36:53 GMT

eek2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric E. Katz) writes:

>I agree with you about most of the things, but I think Max 
>Headroom was pretty unique for any SF show.  I may be one of the 
>biggest Max fans in existence, but the show was original.  Some of
>the plots were far-fetched, but what they represented was cool.  

It's also important to realize that the show was fundamentally
satirical.  We can't be expected to believe that Zik Zak commercials
could actually make people explode, but as black humor about
information overload, it works.  During the "explanation" provided,
complete with diagrams, you can almost hear the writers laughing.
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
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Subject: New SF TV Show info (including sat feeds)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:07:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

REC.ARTS.SF.TV Guide to New SF Shows

by Lee Whiteside   (updated 1-12-93)



Star Trek: Deep Space Nine


Sat Feed Info (text from Mark Holtz's DS9 List):


The series will be uplinked to the stations on AT&T's Telstar 301 on
Transponder 9 (Vertical Polarity)/5V at the following times:

Saturdays - 10:00 AM-11:00 AM ET/ 7:00 AM- 8:00 AM PT
Saturdays -  4:00 PM- 5:00 PM ET/ 1:00 PM- 2:00 PM PT
  Sundays -  4:00 PM- 5:00 PM ET/ 1:00 PM- 2:00 PM PT

Audio is: 6.2 Left, 6.8 Right, 5.8 Mono.


Space Rangers : CBS Wednesdays at 8 pm (ET/PT)/7 pm (CT/MT)

According to USA Today, six episodes have been produced.  
Production of more will depend on how the series does.

Time Trax : Premieres on January 20th with a two hour movie with hourly
episodes two weeks later.  This is part of the new Prime Time
Entertainment Network (PTEN) and will air on Wednesday nights on most
stations.

Sat Feed Info (Telstar 301, Transponder 2V (#3)

Two Hour Pilot

Wed Jan 13    2:30 am -  4:30 am EST
Fri Jan 15   10:30 pm - 12:30 am EST

Weekly feeds (Starting Jan 26th)

Tuesday     11:00 pm - 12:00 am EST
Wednesdays   6:00 am -  7:00 am EST


The Tomorrow People - Nickelodeon - 8 p.m. ET Jan 25th.  It will run for 
four straight nights at this time with four one hour episodes (the 
original U.K. showings were five 25 minute episodes).
been produced.


Babylon 5 - The Babylon 5 movie "The Gathering" premieres the week of
February 22nd on PTEN stations.  A series has not yet been commisioned.

Sat feeds 

Sat Feb 13    12:00 noon - 2:30 pm ET
Sun Feb 14    12:00 noon - 2:30 pm ET


Look for the B5/PTEN TV station list for stations airing Time Trax and
Babylon 5


Lee Whiteside   P14942@email.mot.com 
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From: wade@ucs.ubc.ca (Doug Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:51:13 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
Distribution: world
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RE:


>I noticed that most of the postings regarding
>DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who are
>STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
>a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.

Watch out, if enough people follow your advice and don't watch ===> CANCELLED
                                                                     SHOW!
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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: DS9: waht about this?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:09:24 GMT

why did the cardassians leave their station to the federation to discover
all their technology and secrets?  how come they didn't blow it up or
just move it, like they did in that lousy premiere?  why would they just
leave it behind?  is there a logical reason for this, or is it just the usual
ST half assed realism within the context of their own created universe?
 
                                                               ggreg
 
 
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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: "Space Rangers" minor comments
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:32:18 GMT

Possible minor spoilers...


Well, I tuned into this last night merely out of mild curiosity,
and I actually found myself enjoying it. "Deep and meaningful" it
isn't, but for a little action and escapism, it suits me just fine.

The sets and ambience were quite nice, especially in the scenes
taking place at headquarters (then again, I watched this on a b&w
set). I liked Linda Hunt's character right away, and no one else's
character turned me off. In a multi-main-character series,
character development is difficult to introduce fully in just the
first episode; merely general impressions of their characters, so
I'm content to wait a bit for that. (Too bad they offed the android
so early, though :-)

If I miss an episode, I won't die, but it's a fun way to liven up a
Wednesday eveing.


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Time Trax info
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 01:56:07 GMT



Here is a (short) episode list for TIME TRAX:

 eps.     date      title
 ----  --------    ----------------------------------
 1-2.  01/13/93    A Stranger In Time  (pilot movie)
   3.  01/26/93    To Kill a Billionaire


I've now seen both of these shows, and I suppose it looks like this
will be a fairly interesting series... although nothing spectacular.
No doubt there will be some comparisons to Quantum Leap to be made,
but it is not that similar.  TT definitely does beat QL in the area
of time travel and SF however, but it remains to be seen if they can
come close to QL's script quality.  TT seems to be much more "action"
oriented for one thing...

FYI, in case it hasn't been mentioned before, the man behind this
series is none other than Harve Bennett.  He was of course involved
in TOS, and also worked on the movie series.  Harve split from Trek
after almost everyone rejected his "Academy Days" movie script...

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From: gopher@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz)
Subject: Re: WANTED: V
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:53:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.104503.16111@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan) writes:
>In <1993Jan11.202017.15388@crd.ge.com> howie@sunny.dab.ge.com (J. Bruce Howie) writes:
>
>>I have a copy of both the first and second mini series but do not have any
>>copies of the short lived series.
>
>What? I only have a mini-series with five 1.5 hour episodes and a 18 episode
>series with one pilot and seventeen 45 minute episodes. (Except for the
>beginning of one episode.) You mean there's another series? Is it that series
>called "V - The Final Battle"? I thought that that was a hack-and-slack job of
>the miniseries. Can someone please post me on this?

You got it all, Boris.  There were *two* miniseries:  one with 2 parts, and 
one with 3 parts.  And I think there were 18 episodes in the regular
series (on NBC?).  The miniseries chronicled the invasion of the Visitors 
and their infiltration into American (& Los Angeles) society.  I think the
18-episode series showed the resistance trying to rid Earth of the Visitors.

BTW, does anyone collect the "V" books?  I have about a dozen, but am looking
for more.

Chris

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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:17:59 GMT

In article <yTiZwB3w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>, crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
> Well, I wasn't as disappointed with this show as I was DS9.  As a matter 
> of fact, I rather liked it, perhaps because the characters, while being a 
> bit uncooperative with one another, were BELIEVABLE!  I rather wished 
> they wouldn't have canned the android quite so quickly (of course, if 
> he'd been around much longer, he would have fixed everything in the damn 
> station). =)

[spoilers toward the end]

Not having seen DS9 yet (I've got it on tape, but I'm still trying to catch up
on sleep...), Space Rangers wasn't too bad.

From a technical standpoint:
	The makeup was terrific, a couple shades better than ST:TNG
	The matte effects were poor, usually rather grainy edges, lighting
		didn't match
	Computer/video effects were quite nice

From a character standpoint:
	Boon is pretty much generic HERO
	The woman pilot is interesting, as she is competent, attractive,
		and strong without being bitchy
	The alien character has some potential.  I liked the interplay between
		him and the android.
	The guy with the metal arm is pretty dull.  Once the android is gone,
		there may be a better place for him.
	Linda Hunt can still act circles around everybody, she needs a
		bigger role
	The android had potential.  I could have skipped the hydraulic noises
		every time he smiled.  However, the comparisons to Data would
		have drawn too much criticism.  Now they have an excuse as to
		why there aren't robots around.  It's good to see an @$$hole
		robot.

Story?  I'll reserve judgement.  The plot mostly worked, but what were all the
'bad guys' doing on a *quarantined* ship at the end?

Joel
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From: eek2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric E. Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To Max? (Was "Re: SF on TV")
Date: 10 Jan 1993 17:54:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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About Max, the only episode available on videotape is the British
pilot.  I have all of the episodes that were shown in the US on
videotape except for the first few minutes of the Dreamthieves 
episode.  I have heard that there are a few that were never shown 
on TV though.
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From: sbpress@engws8 (The Stony Brook Press)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Reply-To: sbpress@ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: The State University of New York at Stony Brook
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:46:20 GMT

MRM122@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
: In response to what you said about the writers being poor, yes, I'd have to
: agree with you on that one for some episodes (I personally thought the latest
: 'Q' episode was pure drivel, a shame)- but there is a reason for that: The
: producers of Star Trek treat their writers like shit, so self-respecting ones
: don't stay long at all.
: As for scientific flaws, I can accept them with a grain of salt- all sci-fi has
: some scientific flaws (Predator 2 has one of my favorites- they analyze one of
: its weapons and the scientist says "It's nothing on the periodic table!")
: You have to ignore some of the scientific mumbo-jumbo they use for plot
: elements when it isn't in concordance with what we know as reality.  The beings
: with non-linear time I can accept, for example, as part of that.  One can argue
: that they talked with him in a linear fashion, and thus must be linear, but
: that was A. From Sisko's perspective and B. Had to be linear since we are and
: it is just a TV show.
: That's what I have to say right now.
: 
: 
:                                    Marsh
I agree !
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Keywords: bbbaaaaadddd?  Think again.
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:33:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Seems that the biggest complaint of the DS9-bashers is about the aliens who
don't perceive linear time.  How dare an SF TV show come up with an unusual
idea, and not explain it to their satisfaction!

"Ah!" say the self-appointed paradox-spotters.  "If they didn't follow linear
time, then how come they didn't know everything that was ever going to happen
through the episode, etcetera etcetera?"

Well, here's a thought for you.  The aliens DID follow time of a sort.
Maybe time's arrow doesn't point in the same direction for them, or it's
some weird other dimension involved as well, but they do have an order to
their existance.  (A little thought shows you that they have to -- otherwise,
that entire sequence in the wormhole would have been over in a nothingth of
a second.)

The point of the show was not that the alien(s) didn't follow time -- it's
that they didn't UNDERSTAND it.  They had no concept of it, just like we
had no concept of gravity before old Isaac got bonked by an apple.

And this makes sense, because how can you perceive time if you have nothing
to measure it by?  After all, they're in the middle of a wormhole.  There's
no matter there.  They're incorporeal, remember?

The episode is really about the psychology of the aliens -- a different
concept of the universe entirely.  They live entirely in the present tense.
Perhaps instead of Past and Future, they have concepts of Known and Not Known
Yet.  But the idea of Time is not completely outside their grasp.  Which
explains how they picked it up from Sisko; if they really weren't time-bound,
Sisko's explanations would be as incomprehensible as those of a being from
inside a singularity trying to explain their physical laws to us.

You know, one of the things I like about DS9 so far is that it actually got
me to think about that.  Hardly any SF TV shows -- not even TNG -- ever get
me to ponder like "Emissary" did.
From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: _Space Rangers_
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:30:10 GMT

In article <C0I0u4.HGu@austin.ibm.com> jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>Ouch! Piloting that ship looks _damned_ uncomfortable, lying on
>your stomach with your arms outstretched and your head raised.
>

For what it's worth...
A number of designs for high speed aircraft included prone pilot
positions. It can improve acceleration tolerance.

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Subject: Re: Highlander: "Mountain Men"
From: bakerjd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:52:29 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: bakerjd

	Well, being an _avid_ Highlander fan myself, my answer *might*
be the tiniest biased...:-) But seriously, I liked Mountain Men, although
I must admit it wasn't my favorite...It depends on what you didn't like
about it...it doesn't have the best swordfights (I think that The Gathering
and Revenge is Sweet take the cake on that count), but the flavor of it
is similar to other episodes...Personally, I'd say watch it next week 
(Which is Free Fall in my area, I don't know about yours...) and see if
you like it better (Free Fall is a pretty good episode and it tends to
explain many things than new Highlander fans are confused about).

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From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To Max? (Was "Re: SF on TV")
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:56:16 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1993Jan11.204322.14518@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>>If you mean the Actor who played Max Headroom (I don't know his name),
>
>Matt Freuer (sp?)

It`s Frewer, I think.
He was in "Honey I shrunk the kids" and I assume he is still acting.
He was also in a 3rd series episode of "Robin of Sherwood".

Cheers,
Steve

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