From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Dre's slaying.
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:47:04 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

diamond@kenyon.edu writes:
>Being one of the poor souls Dre is trying to help out I think I need to say a
>few words.  Think about the simplicity of what he is saying.  All he is doing
>is trying to open a few eyes and get people's attention so that they know that
>there are people like me looking for tix.  His motives are genuine and he did
>get many people's attention.

Unfortunately, 'Dre's post was in poor taste.  You simply don't grovel
for something from a net.community *and* put down that very same
net.community simultaneously.  It's just plain rude!

>Being a New Yorker and knowing what it's like
>trying to get a ticket (especially at the show) I can vouch that people really
>don't care about anything except a quick buck.  All Dre is saying is that
>people here on the net are not like that, and I truly believe that he thinks 
>that we as a whole are different. 

Then he could have chosen to post a grovel similar to Sarah's:  to
the point and in a bright, positive manner.  Dre's post was exactly
the opposite.  

>I believe that he wrote that message because
>he fears that there may be some netters who would do the New York thing and 
>sell their tickets for insane prices.  

He doesn't know the Phishnet very well, then.:-)  And selling tix at
a blatantly higher price (than the original cost) over the net
is (gasp!;-) illegal:  somebody tried to sell Billy Joel tix for $150/pop
on alt.rock-n-roll a few years ago and (rightfully) received flak.

>I can understand people taking offence to
>Dre's remarks, but its really just because he cares and wants to keep the
>cohesiveness of the net together. 

But his post is clearly contradictive of that.  All 'Dre needed to
do was make a positive-minded post about extra tix.  If he was
so concerned about getting ripped off, all he needed to say was
"Scalpers need not apply".  He didn't have to put down the Phishnet
in general.

Sarah's grovel again is a good example, but I offer another below:

	"Hello Phrendly Phish Pholks!  My two good friends and I are
	in dire need of three sets of tickets for both Roseland shows.
	*Anything* will help! I will gladly pay for the tickets at 
	cost, plus throw in some tasty tapes and good karma for your 
	trouble.  Scalpers need not apply.  Thank you in advance.":-)

It's that simple! There's certainly nothing wrong with watching out
for scalpers, but Dre's post gave the impression that the Phishnet
in general was full of ScalperScum.  Based on the # of Phishnet
pholks I've met the past # of months, I've met nothing but good,
kind people.  However, give 'Dre points for the fact he wasn't
seeking a "miracle" (re:  free) ticket.;-)

>Growing up in New York and knowing how
>vicious people can be about most anything I can appreciate how great the net is
>and what a great service it provides so many of us who care about Phish.  Cut
>Dre a break.  Anyone who reads the net regularly knows he's a good guy who
>helps others out whenever he can.  

New York and the Phishnet are two completely separate entities, as
the latter covers coast to coast (and then some).  This may be the
case with Dre's post.

I personally believe that one's net.persona and the actual self are two
different entities, and I'm more than willing to give 'Dre the benefit
of the doubt.  Still, if I had an extra, I wouldn't pass it on to 
an individual I don't know based on the rude nature of his/her post
(and I have hooked up a few r.m.gdead net.folks with tickets in the past).  
Your mileage may vary, of course.

Best of luck to you & 'Dre in your ticket quest.

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