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From: mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Subject: Re: Golden Rules And Me
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:28:13 GMT

I think Greg has asked some really tough and on-the-mark questions...
they leave me in kind of a bind, because I started reading these replies
with the mindset, "surely there must be a healthy avenue for things to
evolve."  But it seems that in this situation the potential
imporovements are fraught with risk.  Furthermore I've heard it
discussed that the secrecy-thing in such outside relationships causes
injury of unsuspected depth and variety to the outside person - this has
the ring of truth with me.

My mind-set still urges me to look still for a way forward, and I notice
that there's an underlying conception here that one should always be
striving to make things better in every realm of life, even at the risk
of worseness.  And I think that is not neccessarily so.

Here's a transcript of a recent For Better Or For Worse sunday cartoon:

--------

    [snowing something fierce]
Husband: Boy am I glad I'm not driving!  What a rotten day!
Cab Driver: It's a very good day to me, sir.
H: That's because you drive a cab.
CD: No, it's because I'm Ethiopian. - It can rain or snow or freeze or
fry... it's always a good day to me.  
    In my homeland, I have seen my friends and family shot.  If I had
not escaped, I'd have been killed too.  I have a wife I have not seen
for 3 years - and a child I have never seen! ...
    But here I am safe.  I can provide for them, and soon I will bring
them here.  So you see, sir, the weather doesn't matter.  Every day is a
good day to me!
    [hanging up his coat at home]
Wife: Hi, Honey!  Horrible day, isn't it?
Husband: Actually...
    [hugging her]
...it's a very good day to me.
                                   {thanks in absentia to Lynn Johnston}
--------

Maybe the thing to ask yourself, in something so important as this, is
"Can I really say - and feel - that it's a very good day to me?".  If
so, rejoice in what you have and build upon that.  If not, work for
change.


-Matt Ryan, whose day does not, honestly, feel very good,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
==================================  ====================================
If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
               -old chinese fellow                        -Crowded House     
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Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Grammar flame
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:01:38 GMT

In article <sfHxKDO00VpCMnp0ho@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
|> 
|> >Not "I wanna fuck S" but
|> >some clear sign from the "cheated" spouse that sie knows at whatever
|> >level and consents to (with whatever plausible deniability) hir
|> >partner, IN THEORY, having relationships with others.
|> 
|> Cannot we use the pronoun "they"/"their" instead of "sie"/"hir"?  Using
|> the latter group of pronouns actually makes what you are trying to say
|> much more difficult to read.
|> 
|> Using the plural in the singular is becoming much more commonplace anyway.

Yes, it does make it more difficult to read. Hell, I'm strill trying to
figure out which to use when. But we should feel priviledged to have
such difficulty! We are witnessing new language being born! 8-/

Humour aside, some people feel that there is a legitimate need for this
new language. Certainly, the use of plural forms is a no-no. It may be
more commonplace these days, but then spelling and grammar aren't
American (and, by association, Canadian) strong points anyways. Let's
not abuse the language too much, hmmm?

The use of the singular (he/she) has been deemed politically incorrect.
While there wasn't originally gender discrimination in the language,
common usage through the last few hundred years has led some people
to believe that the existing terms are a dead loss. Of course, I
suspect that many of those in favour of these new words have never had
to read Chaucer or other Middle English; one very quickly learns that
changing language when there isn't some new concept to represent is not 
a great idea.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Glen Martin  Bell-Northern Research  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  glenm@bnr.ca
"You don't need to be afraid of us, but it just might be your daughter on
our bus." -- 'New Kid on the Block' by BareNaked Ladies
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:30:02 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1993Jan7.222540.16961@midway.uchicago.edu> sals@caine.uchicago.edu
(red-head fancier) writes:
>The minimum wage harms the economy by making people who aren't worth the  
>minimum wage unemployable. The minimum wage prevents untrained people from  
>getting a toehold into employment. The minimum wage is responsible for  
>much of present day unemployment.

Maybe, maybe not.  Personally, I don't think so.

   don
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: dchristy@boron.cs (David Christy)
Subject: Good Samaritian ???
Organization: /home/hawikuh1/dchristy/.organization
Distribution: alt.individualisim
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:03:04 GMT

Perhaps you are familiar with the old Biblical story called the 'Good
Samaritian'.  After thinking about it I wrote my own, similar story called
the 'Bad Samaritian'. I hope you enjoy it.

--------------------BEGIN--------------------------------------------------

DISCIPLE: Oh Master, who is truly a thief and who is not?

MASTER:	Once upon a time a traveler from Jerusulam was attacked by a band of 
thiefs, beaten, robbed, and left to die in the middle of the road. Not long 
after, a Pharisee passed by and shaked his head in shame at the traveler, the 
Pharisee knew that the traveler needed help, but he was late for a meeting 
so he moved onward ignoring the poor traveler from Jerusulam. A few minutes 
later a Levite passed by. He saw the injured traveler also, but he was late
getting home for supper and knew his wife would wack him over the head if
took any longer, so the Levite also passed by ignoring the poor injured 
traveler. About ten minutes later a Samaritian passed by, outraged at the 
sight of the injured traveler, he hunted down the Pahrisee and the Levite.
He then proceeded to force them to pay for a lodge and medical care of the
injured traveler, absolutely sure of his good deeds, the Samaritian took a 
cut of the pay for himself to insure he has the wealth to do more such good
deeds in the future and moved onward. Later that night, the traveler died.

MASTER: Now who would you say is truly the thief and who is not?

DISCIPLE: ... (answer omitted)

------------------END------------------------------------------------------

As for you fans out there, I'm sorry, but they just wouldn't let me publish
it in the Big Book. I couldn't quite understand them, but they complained 
something about, 

"... that it took and act of love and turned it into an act of revenge ..." 
"... that it took one victim and turned it into three victims ..."
"... it turned a humble Samaritian into a self appointed god 
     ... as if the real One couldn't do it Himself ..."

Oh and they were especially angry about this, 

"... It treated the traveler like dirt, 
     ... a nobody, who no-one would help unless they were forced to ..."

Hmmmmm, I wander what their talking about?  Oh well, I guess I'll never make
it as a writer; back to programming computers. 

dchristy@nmsu.edu
From: tcox@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Tony Cox - (415)926-3105)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:22:21 -0800
Organization: SSRL, Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu

In article <1idhvuINNesq@agate.berkeley.edu>,
	mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
> In article <1993Jan2.194030.10590@athena.mit.edu>
   		tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:
>> Doesn't the cycle of poverty argument go something like this:
>> Poor nghbrhd => Poor schools => Poor education => Poor jobs => Poor nghbrhd
>> drugs/crime etc. ?
> 
> The cycle I mean is poverty -> poor education -> poor jobs -> poverty,
> usually used to justify affirmative action with respect to education.
> 

   Surely this can only be used to justify giving assistance to _poor_
   people, and not what is commonly meant by affirmative action -
   giving assistance to people based upon race or sex?
   An additional argument is required - that the set of _poor_ people
   is isomorphic with the set of _minority_ people.

   As poverty is easier to quantify than `race', I remain profoundly
   confused as to the justification for `affirmative action' in this
   instance.

Tony Cox, Stanford, CA
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1993Jan7.222540.16961@midway.uchicago.edu>, sals@caine.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier) writes:
|> From: sals@caine.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier)
|> Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.

|> The plight of devloping countries shows the problems from the absence of  
|> capitalism. Find one developing country which is capitalistic. While  
|> voluntary charity dsoesn't take care of all suffering can you honestly say  
|> that the "war on poverty" and other progams have done anything to help the  
|> poor. Especially when the plight of the poor has worsened as a result of  
|> government programs.

What evidence do you have to say that plight of the poor has *worsened*
as a *result* of gov't programs???

|> The minimum wage harms the economy by making people who aren't worth the  
|> minimum wage unemployable. The minimum wage prevents untrained people from  
|> getting a toehold into employment. The minimum wage is responsible for  
|> much of present day unemployment.

Another completely unsubstaniable stmt. The fact is that from 1980-1991(?),
the min. wage went down in real terms. Show me some evidence that 
the unemployment rate is strongly correlated to the min. wage. There 
are a lot of reasons *other* than the min wage, why untrained people
can't get a toehold into employment.

Ron
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: sals@caine.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier)
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:25:40 GMT

In article <1igrjfINN28t@agate.berkeley.edu> mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish  
Vij) writes:
> 

> 2) The portion of taxation which currently goes to welfare etc. is  
miniscule
>    compared to the so-called valid portion which goes to defense and  
other
>    tasks which federal gov't is well-adapted to.

Not quite, diorect payments to individuals comprises the largest part of  
government expendetures. As of 1987 it was 47% of the federal government's  
expenses and it has increased since then.
> 3) It is not at all clear that voluntary charity alone takes care of
>    suffering; it does not now, in the current social-justice-influenced
>    system, and abuses of capitalism show everywhere, especially in
>    developing nations.
>
The plight of devloping countries shows the problems from the absence of  
capitalism. Find one developing country which is capitalistic. While  
voluntary charity dsoesn't take care of all suffering can you honestly say  
that the "war on poverty" and other progams have done anything to help the  
poor. Especially when the plight of the poor has worsened as a result of  
government programs.

> I disagree sharply for both the above reasons and the following example:
> without managed trade, we would have much weaker domestic auto and 
> chipmaking industries.  This is just an extension of the isolationist
> argument, but applied to business rather than individuals.
> 
So. If foreign companies can produce cars or microchips better then why  
should the government force the american to subsidize inefficent users of  
resources.
> > >theft.
> 
> There are sometimes higher values than upholding the law.  Otherwise,  
for
> example, the American Revolution was composed of merely law-breaking
> riff-raff.  In my view, when an extreme polarization of wealth is
> achieved in a society and poverty becomes unbearable and widespread, 
> overthrow of the ruling class is perfectly justified.
> 
There was not an exterme polarization prior to the revolution. And  
government tampering has yet to cause widespread poverty in america. 
 >The minimum wage, however, is better for
> our economy than the harms it causes.  Other examples abound.

The minimum wage harms the economy by making people who aren't worth the  
minimum wage unemployable. The minimum wage prevents untrained people from  
getting a toehold into employment. The minimum wage is responsible for  
much of present day unemployment.

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From: archer@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:38:01 GMT

In article <7960@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.222540.16961@midway.uchicago.edu>, sals@caine.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier) writes:
>|> From: sals@caine.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier)
>|> Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.

>|> The plight of devloping countries shows the problems from the absence of  
>|> capitalism. Find one developing country which is capitalistic. While  
>|> voluntary charity dsoesn't take care of all suffering can you honestly say  
>|> that the "war on poverty" and other progams have done anything to help the  
>|> poor. Especially when the plight of the poor has worsened as a result of  
>|> government programs.

>What evidence do you have to say that plight of the poor has *worsened*
>as a *result* of gov't programs???

The number of Americans per capita with "poor" living standard have steadily 
increased since the new deal.

>|> The minimum wage harms the economy by making people who aren't worth the  
>|> minimum wage unemployable. The minimum wage prevents untrained people from  
>|> getting a toehold into employment. The minimum wage is responsible for  
>|> much of present day unemployment.

>Another completely unsubstaniable stmt. The fact is that from 1980-1991(?),
>the min. wage went down in real terms. Show me some evidence that 
>the unemployment rate is strongly correlated to the min. wage. There 
>are a lot of reasons *other* than the min wage, why untrained people
>can't get a toehold into employment.

Please list them and cite your proof.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: riordan@moose.uvm.edu (Gerard Riordan)
Subject: Fender Amp (Recommendations)
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:51:47 GMT



I am new to the world of electric guitar. I have been playing acoucticly
for 3 years and am interested in pluging in. I have a chance to purchase
a Fender Princeton Stereo Chorus amp (used) and am wondering if anyone 
has any thoughts on this particular amp. Any advise would be appreciated.
I will be using the amp for both my acoustic and some yet to be determined
electric solid body.


thanks for any advise

Jerry Riordan
riordan@moose.uvm.edu
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Alternate tunings, what's the point?
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:23:56 GMT
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sierra.ucsd.edu


Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego
Subject: Re: Alternate tunings, what's the point?
Keywords: 

In article <1992Dec30.164953.6381@desire.wright.edu>, dstuart@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Dec29.184127.16794@ntg.com>, stefan@ntg.com (Stefan Biskup) writes:
|> > In article <1992Dec17.223241.14784@athena.mit.edu> juggle@athena.mit.edu (furious axe demon) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Forgive my ignorance, but other than playing slide guitar, is there
|> >>any reason other than basic laziness why one might want to use an
|> >>alternate tuning other than the standard EADGBe?
|> >>
|> >>I would imagine that creative tunings can be used to greatly faciliate
|> >>fingering some otherwise hard but interesting chords, like ninths, but
|> >>that can't be all there is to it, is there?
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>	Sincerely,
|> >>	Joe G
|> > 
|> 
|> 
|> 	
|> 	Absolutely that is not all there is to it.  In alterred tunings it
|> does make some chording easier, but it also allows allows a greater degree
|> of complexity to be allowed in a song.  For example, you might try tuning
|> you higher 4 strings to a chord, lets say a major for simplicity. Then you
|> can strum this chord open, let it ring, and while it is ringing play a bass
|> line over it with the fingers you don't have to use for chording.
|> 	This can and does get quite complicated as you can tune the bottom
|> three strings to one chord, and the top three to another and alternate between
|> the two chords by strumming only three strings at a time (this takes some
|> practice).  For instance strum the top three strings, let ring, and place a
|> base line over it with your free fingers.  Then switch and strum the bottom
|> three strings, while soloing on the high strings.
|> 	Also, alterred tunings allow for great sounds on you 12th, 5th, and 
|> 7th fret harmonics as you can effectively play an entire harmonic chord.
|> 	The best example of this type of technique is a musician by the
|> name of Micheal Hedges. I highly recommend that you acquire his albums
|> (either Live on the Double Planet or Aeriel Boundaries would be a first good 
|> album by him).  In tracks on these albums notice the layers sound and realize
|> that for the most part there is only one person playing guitar, without the 
|> benefit of overdubs or second guitar tracks.
|> 	Have fun experimenting with different tunings and if you happen
|> upon some interesting sounds or different techniques, let me know.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 						STU

STU makes some very well thought out points and suggestions about open
tunings. Just for some perspective it's interesting to note that talented
and varied guitarists from Doc Watson to Jimmy Page have done work with
open tunings so it's hardly a limited approach to playing. A great deal of
country and folk styles, especially those that involve fingerpicking, are
based on using open tunings. One of my own personal favorite artists
who uses such tunings with amazing facility is Leo Kottke.

Jim Napier
UCSD
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: pickle@fantasie.cs.ucla.edu (Patrick Madden)
Subject: Neck adjustment advice needed
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:30:42 GMT

  The neck on my '88 Fender Tele looks like it is a little warped: when I
put a ruler along the frets with one end at the first fret and the other
around the 10th fret, it looks like I've got about 1/16" of gap at about
the 6th fret, maybe a little more.  The frets themselves are flat and even,
so I think this should be a pretty good measure of the neck itself.
In general, it looks like the neck is bending like a bow, but not twisting.

  Is this normal, or should I adjust the truss rod?  I use fairly heavy
strings, so there's probably more tension than in a typical setup.

  If I do need to adjust the truss rod, which direction do I turn the
allen wrench--looking from the headstock down the neck, do I go
clockwise or counter-clockwise, and how many turns would be expected?
Should I do this with strings on or off?

 Any help would be much appreciated....


Patrick
pickle@cs.ucla.edu
"Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em     That I've got no cerebellum
 Gonna get my PhD                      I'm a teenage lobotomy"
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Dobro
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:56:59 GMT
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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Keywords: slide on this


In article <1ia5qpINNj12@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, gompertz@sdd.hp.com (Ron Gompertz) writes:
|> 
|>  
|> Another Obscure Guitar Question:
|> 
|> 
|> Date my Dobro! What's she worth?
|> 

Hmmmm...exactly how do you determine the sex of a Dobro? :-)

Jim
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: "noah mintz" <noah.mintz@canrem.com>
Subject: quadraver gt (jack van
Reply-To: "noah mintz" <noah.mintz@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:22:32 EST

In jack van breen message he says: (something to the effect of)
 JVB>have you been able to turn on/off individual effects with
 JVB>the quadraverb and the x-15?

what i would like to know is how do i do that. I have lost my manual and
can't figure it out. i know it have something to do with the mode button
on the x-15, but where i go from there is a mystery. Can anyone help, or
Jack are you out there.
thanks alot.
happy
-noah
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: ttesta@kalvin.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Help date my old Gretsch!
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:24:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan3.070323.5017@news.unomaha.edu>, stans@cwis.unomaha.edu (Robert Stansbury) writes...
>    I have an old Gretsch that I would like some info on.  It has
>simulated 'f' holes, half circle fret markers on the edge of the neck
>below the low 'E' string, two double coil pickups (I think), three knobs
>- two tone and one volume, two toggle switches, and the serial number is
>stamped on the top edge of the headstock - not the front or back, but the
>top edge.

		CONGRATULATIONS, you have a GEN-U-INE vintage guitar! 
	The serial number would give a good clue to the age (actually, being
stamped on top of the headstock narrows it down quite a bit also) somewhere
between 1963 and 1965, The fake f-holes are also typical of all Gretsch
hollowbody guitars after 63... 
	The other guitarist in my band has a '64 Tenneseean, nice guitar!

	Sounds like it could be a Gretsch Tenneseean or a 'Country Gentleman',
(but it would say 'Country Gentleman' on the silver plate on the headstock,
you didn't say there was one, so I'd assume it is a Tenneseean...)

	With a single cutaway, its body is thin like a Gibson ES-335, dark wood
grain color... (as opposed to the 'Country Gentleman' which has a double
cutaway during THAT PERIOD (earlier ones were single cutaways) and had a metal
plate on the headstock engraved with 'Country Gentleman' and included a snap on
pad to protect the back of the guitar from "big ol' belt buckles"!) 


	Sounds like a nice guitar, some places are fetching $1000 or more
for this era Gretsch guitar...

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Subject: Humbucker on a strat
Reply-To: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:05:30 GMT


Has anybody played a strat with lace sensor humbucking pickups?
I'm considering fitting one on my strat plus deluxe. I need your opinion
Thanks in advance.