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From: juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The Savage Dragon Poker Stud?
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:00:12 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Has anyone read the last issue of The Savage Dragon by Erik Larsen?

Now I remember someone saying in this Group, defending IMAGE, that a lot
of the artists/writers (if you believe that hooey) went to this "Flagship"
publisher to get away from the unrealistic tendecies of the competition;
if you've read this latest installment in the Dragon series -I think they went 
to IMAGE to creat their own unrealistic tendecies not the factory standard.

In Savage Dragon #3, every attractive female character in the book has hit on 
The Dragon -what did Larsen due to create this character have him bombarded by
radioactive "James Bond" flicks.  Let's face it, sure the guy has a lot of 
noble qualities and "down-to-Earth" values (for a guy with a mohawk), which
I find refreshing in a superhero today, but the guy is butt ugly and green.
Let's try not to get into "Beauty and the Beast" here, because I'm not buying
it -if it was a building relationship between two female characters -fine but
everyone that had appeared in that last issue -jeez.

Except for this tidbit, I love the series, Larsen has done an excellent job
in the mag, despite his usual "I'll put a guest star here" thing -I love the
fight with Bedrock, though I don't read Liefield's trash.


                           Thanks
                            
                             Ned
                             St. Peter's College
       
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Death of Moriarty double-back limited issue SPOILERS!!
Keywords: Oh, the humanity!
Organization: Doomsday Squids of the Poor
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:51:25 GMT


Great. Just great. Now, I'm going to have to get to the shop early so
I can get a copy before the speculators show up like the damned, thieving
jackals that they are!

How much you bet he comes back as a grim and gritty Moriarity. (OK, grimmer
and grittier, with a much more powerful armory of weapons and a Gaiman-
approved black wardrobe.)

Personally, I'm waiting for the Funeral for a Fiend follow-up story.

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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  little peanut like you could do to so upset
     Espresso makes the    |  him, but it looks like Dani Zweig really wants 
      time grow softer     |  to kill you"    _Mr Peanut meets Moriarty
From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Dr. Strange #50
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 04:38:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Dear Dani

	I saw Doc Strange #50.  It was nice to see Intelli-Hulk (TM)
talk sophisticatedly... even calling Doc "Steve" at one point in time,
but I honestly wished we had saved our money.

	Doc Strange, as a comic, will never become "good" as long as 
Marvel editors are more interested in $ than substance.  But what do I
know, I'm a senator.

Sincerely,

Senator Robert Kelly (NM-L)
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New releases scheduled for March, 1993 (LONG)
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec30.140821.23758@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz) writes...
>In article <1992Dec29.061943.15310@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@sol.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>   I Like it

I do too, but I read this list in Advance Comics last week, thou it is nice
to see it here.

>>Marvel Comics

>>	Invaders 1
>>	Mad Dog 1
>>	Dragon Lines 1
>>	Lawdog 1
>    Has anyone heard anything about these guys, are they more Marvel UK?

Invaders is a mini-series that deals with the Marvel Super-Heroes who
fought in WWII. Im not sure if it takes place then, or now. (With Marvel,
anything stupid is possible. Look at Carnage, for example)

The others fall into the Epic part of Marvel.  They do not deal with the
regular Marvel Universe, and they may be creator-controlled.  I say this
because an upcoming series is the omnious return of one of my favorite books,
"The Trouble With Girls" by Gerald JOnes and Will Jacobs.  Im kinda sorry
that Tim Hamilton is not going to do the art for it.  It will look strange
without him. 

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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: REVIEWS:  PAD week (Hulk and X-Factor, SPOILERS)
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:59:48 GMT

In article <72275@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> Ah yes...my "co-plotter" on X-Factor #87, Shana David.
> 
> Shana's contribution to that issue was that she came to me one day and 
> said, "I think it'd be really funny if you did "Rahne and Stimpy.""
> 
> So I did.
> 
> Rest of it was mine.  But, of course, after "Rahne and Simpy" (changed to
> keep the legal people happy), it was all downhill.
> 
> PAD

Personally, I liked "Rahne's World" better, and the psychology of the other
characters fit in better.  Using Feral seems like a throwaway (except for being
the closest cat-mutant).  You can't freud anything out of that.

But still, "Mutant Mutant Angst Angst" has a good beat.

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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Stan Lee
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 07:58:45 GMT

Your quarterly reports aren't going to tell you anything; there is no
information regarding officers there.

I have the last stockholders meeting proxy in front of me.

There is an executive compensation table listing 5 execs and their
cash compensation.  I'll just list Stan Lee's:

Chairman and Publisher of Marvel Comics, $390,869

"The amounts shown include amounts paid or accrued, with respect to
those periods in 1991 during which such persons were executive
officers of the Company, as salary, bonuses and amounts deferred
pursuant to, and Company matching contributions under, the Andrews
Group Savings and Investment Plan."

As for ownership:

Stan Lee	Amount and Nature of Beneficial Ownership: 28,333 Less
								  than 1%

Represents 23,333 shares of Common Stock as to which Stan Lee
currently has the right to acquire beneficial ownership upon the
exercise of stock options and 5,000 shares of Common Stock owned.

Mike
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From: lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Squiddies: I Lied
Organization: The Honored Squids of the Poor
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:45:46 GMT

In <C07n72.3KC@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

>It's been a tired, do-nothingy kind of a day.  Look for award categories
>and instructions over the weekend.

Looks like Saturday would be (would have been) a good day for it.

According to the comicstrip Ernie, (by Bud Grace, who makes a rare appearance
in the strip) January 2nd is National Squid Appreciation Day. 

"All over our nation people are honoring the noble squid! Giving them 
 presents! Keys to the city! Taking them to dinner!

"Mollusca! Natures finest phylum! Cephalopodia! How the name rings with
 distinction! Take time today to honor a squid."

I hope each and every Rackhamite has observed this holiday in his or her own
noble and joyous manner. 

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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  want to trade hats with you. Yes, my cap is 
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From: andy@hpsmo100.rose.hp.com (Andy Young)
Subject: Re: Barry Allen Is Back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:08:56 GMT
Organization: Nosferatu U.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
>Yes!  It's about time.  Barry Allen is back in the newest edition of Flash.
>He comes home for Christmas and it is a total shocker to me.  I've been
>reading Flash for years and I can't believe it.  It's the best thing that
>has happened to DC since they axed Superman (very sarcastic, I liked Supes).
>I hope that they add him to Justice League America.  They could use the
>leadership.  Comments?

Are you sure it's really Barry?


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From: Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Subject: Re: Hulk, Cerebus and other stuff like Barry Allen
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:06:47 GMT

On Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:52:49 GMT, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) said:

 Dave>      On Hulk in general, my first impression that PAD was trying to milk 
 Dave> suspense that just wasn't there.  I mean, the *cover* was enough to tell me 
 Dave> Hulk was fighting Cain Marko, and it's supposed to be some kind of big surprise
 Dave> at the end?  Riiiight.  Of course, Hulk has an excuse, since he's probably 
 Dave> never seem Juggy without the helmet.  But to write as if the *readers* didn't 
 Dave> know?  No sir, I didn't like it.
	Quite frankly, I didn't recognize him, and I`ve been reading
most of the X-titles for the past 8 years.  I just didn't make the
connection because the X-villians usually stay in the X-books.
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:14:02 GMT

J. G. Delisle (jdelisle@udel.edu) wrote:

: 	Why is it every time DC does something, Marvel tries to imitate it?

Not only that, marvel makes money at it! :)

This is a longstanding tradition, I'm glad to see it is still
carrying on.

: Next summer's DC annuals will be introducing new heroes and villains. So will
: the Marvel annuals. 

Image has already introduced new heroes and villains -- who's copying
whom? I don't even want to read about the old Marble and Dee See villains.

: DC has success with the Hellblazer title. Marvel will be
: starting Hellstorm in February (it's about demons and magic in the Marvel
: universe. Very orginal.)

Hellstorm's been around a *long* time -- and Marvel has re-vamped
other long-time obscure people and groups before. There probably isn't
a connection! :)

: 	And, DC is launching its Vertigo line of mature titles. So as not to
: be left out, Marvel's Epic line is releasing the "Heavy Hitters" titles, 
: apparently to try and capture more of the market, using big names (TM) like
: Joe Kubert, Ron Lim, Gerard Jones, Howard Chaykin, etc.

Maybe they'll come up with an interesting "mature title" -- most I've
seen are yawners. I don't see why they just don't make the ones they
have more interesting.

: 	Of course, Marvel isn't cancelling any titles to make room for the
: new ones. Somebody said they'd have over 150 titles per month by summer '93.
: If that's the case, I'm starting to dread 1994 already.

I guess that Marvel thinks that quantity > quality. The more they
put out, the less I read. There's gotta be a saturation point somewhere.
Maybe they're trying to find it.

I can think of plenty Marvel could cancel, too :)

Scott

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Valiant Issues
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:41:57 GMT

>>	I don't know that I like the TPB idea. Yeah, they're great for folks 
>>who don't have those issues, but they knock the price down on existing issues.
>>After all, once the 2nd print of Solar #10 came out, the first print wasn't 
>>quite as hot anymore. (I know, I'm being selfish...)
>
>Hey, I like having original issues.  You get letter columns, original covers,
>and a warm fuzzy feeling of "way back in 1991, people were standing in the
>store and seeing a Solar comic for the first time in decades".
>
>But I don't $100-worth-of-like those original issues.  Nor do I think any
>non-speculator does.  All the speculators have done is ruin the market for
>those who actually want the issues as issues instead of as potential
>investments.
>
>Go ahead, ruin the investments.  I bought Solar from the beginning, and it's
>nice knowing my #10 is selling for absurd amounts, but it'd be _nicer_
>knowing that if I decide to get another Valiant comic I can buy back issues
>without going bankrupt.

I always find that it is nice that my comics are worth a lot, but it
doesn't matter since I'm not going to sell them. SO while it is nice
that the Valiants are worth a lot I'm not going to sell them, so the
value aspect doesn't matter a lot to me.

Therefore, bring on the TPB.  The primary comics is to be read and
enjoyed. If TPB's help do that, great. If they upset a few speculators,
I'm not to concerned. 

The thing that DOES bother me about the TPB's is that they will probably
use the same trick that they used with the Harbinger (sp. correctly
jcowling), that being that they will include a special #0 issue meaning
that you will probably have to buy the damn thing to be able to read the
entire story.

That kind of irrates me.  I would just as soon as buy a #0 issue for
$2-$3 then have to buy it along with a TPB and spend $10.  Valiant is
not improving their status with me any my continuing these market ploys.
I have already canned two Valiant titles..Hard Corps and Bloodshot.
Some of the others are marked if they don't soon improve. Valiant isn't
helping their cause with me any by doing this kind of thing.

Finally, to quote my girlfriend "Isn't the idea of a #0 issue kind of
stupid?" Yes it is.

-Craig

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From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Subject: valiant issues
Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:34:15 EST

In message <C08p9y.Kqx#news.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig
Welsh ) writes:

CW>I always find that it is nice that my comics are worth a lot, but it
CW>doesn't matter since I'm not going to sell them. SO while it is nice
CW>that the Valiants are worth a lot I'm not going to sell them, so the
CW>value aspect doesn't matter a lot to me.

I tend to agree. The really nice thing about the TPB for Harbinger was
that even though I bought the original books for interest sake, and
wasn't terribly thrilled with them, the fact that someone was willing to
pay me $135 for them _and_ give me a TPB with the same content as the
originals I was selling had a certain appeal....

CW>Therefore, bring on the TPB.  The primary comics is to be read and
CW>enjoyed. If TPB's help do that, great. If they upset a few speculators,
CW>I'm not to concerned.

Agreed. My collection is pretty large (although that's a relative term
on r.a.c), and easily worth several thousand dollars. But I really
couldn't care less (other than on insurance forms) because they were
bought to be read and enjoyed, not as investments. That's why I applaud
the introduction of such things as the Marvel Masterworks and the DC
Archives; although expensive, they allow new readers to enjoy books that
were previously unattainable.

CW>The thing that DOES bother me about the TPB's is that they will probably
CW>use the same trick that they used with the Harbinger (sp. correctly
CW>jcowling), that being that they will include a special #0 issue meaning
CW>that you will probably have to buy the damn thing to be able to read the
CW>entire story.

Yes, but that's the fault of these #0 issues and trading card scams; it
is not an inherant problem with TPBs. If the series doesn't start off
with such gimmicks, then there is no problem.

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: ANOTHER $#%^&#%-ING SPIDERMAN TITLE!?!?!?!?![D
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:58:17 GMT

Accd to Previews, we will be assaulted with another regular Spidey title.  I 
think I shall go over into the corner and sob quietly for a while.
     Dave Van Domelen, whimper....
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Keywords: This is NOT an xbooks question...
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:48:33 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Dec22.202351.1205@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.184621.15029@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>Nahh... it's because of all those churches in the early parts of
>>the movies. Remember how they all had pictures of Jesus(TM)? Yup,
>>Jesus(TM) is now a Marvel superhero.

Of COURSE Christ is a Marvel character:
He died and came back!

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: ** Comic Book Collector's Database **
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:38:34 GMT

nin15b53@merrimack.edu (Ed Greenwood) writes:
>Could anyone offer suggestions for features to be included in a forthcoming
>Comic Book Collector's Database?

>What statistics are of value to Comic Book Enthusiasts?

Being able to generate lists of comics that I'm missing (from comics
that I have large runs of).
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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:38:41 GMT
	<1993Jan4.015707.4173@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 4-Jan-93 Re: Marvel copies
DC... again Eric Jaron Stieglitz@cun (1005)

> At this rate, it can't be long before we see _Master of Kung Fu_ coming back
> again...

now tell me you haven't read the latest Captain America...... :)

--Vernon.
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Asterix: American Translations!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:16:09 GMT

This is interesting...  I have a real tough time finding Asterix books
in San Diego, so I head up to Juneau, a small town in Alaska, and of
course one of the local stores has piles of the things.  I had them
all already, but I did find something interesting...

For Asterix at the Olympic Games and Asterix the Legionary, they had
"NEW American Edition"s, (C) and published in 1992.  Translated not by
Bell and Hockridge (who do all the English translations) but by Robert
Steve Caron (who I've never heard of).  I picked up both of them and
compared them page by page with the English versions...

First, the bad news.  Everyone but Asterix, Obelix, and Dogmatix have
new names.  This is to be somewhat expected, as all translations
retranslate all the other names (even Dogmatix, actually), but could
be confusing since they're both English translations.

Vitalstatistix is now Macroeconomix, Getafix is Magigimmix, and
Cacopohonix is now Malacoustix.

So how's the translations?  Well, they apear accurate enough, and
rather similar to the English versions.  All the "Britishisms" are
gone, which I sort of miss, but that's because I'm used to it.  It's
obviously been translated from the original and not just through the
English version.  I did note a couple places where I thought Bell and
Hockridge did a better job than Caron, and a few places where Caron
did a better job.  Overall, I prefer the Bell and Hockridge version, I
think, but that may be because I've read them for 20+ years and I'm
used to them, and Caron may be a bit slow on starting.

Regardless, this is definite good news for American readers... It
seems to show some sort of desire on Dargaud's part to achieve better
U.S. distribution, which means it's easier for us to get stuff!
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Avengers Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:07:31 GMT

Andrew H Krieg (ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: Avengers -     I can't remember the last good consistent run on this book.
: 	       This was the year I finally axed it from my list.

I'm probably Tom Palmer (no relation to drumemr Carl Palmer) 's biggest
fan, and I even dropped Avengers.

BUT: recently, I got a couple of issues to see how bad they were, and
was pleasantly surprised. I'm looking forward to next month. Give it
a try, it's getting better! Palmer and the new penciller are really
meshing now (it looks like Palmer is doing 80% of the art, and now
he's even coloring it!).

Scott
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 28 Dec 1992 21:31:51 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan
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 cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner):
: What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
: he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.

Big Numbers #3-10.

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