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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Siemes Wien is email hell - someone needs to get their act together
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:52:26 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

	Gerhard, thanks for responding....

 Gerhard Fuernkranz writes:
>The real problem was, that our nameserver died last night

	"real" versus "imagined" ?!?   :-)

> When the name server is dead, the mailer is unable to resolve the host
> names and says `host ... unknown'.

	sorry, to have made you think that I overreacted, but afterall,
	I tried not once and not just one machine, but several times and
	several machines, and if the name-server machine does not recognize
	its own name (but CC's itself in the bounce-message) that was a new
	one to me....   but then I have my regular encounters with Murphy.

>today morning at 9:00, my first action was to fix the problem.

	kudos.  how did you learn about it, btw?

>I don't know, why you are so concerned about such a minor
>temporary technical problem. What should we do ?

	well, how should I know it was minor and temporary?  Around
	here, when email doesn't get through that is considered a
	rather major problem, as people tend to depend on it...

>Shall we spend the whole night in our company and keep
>a watch on our hosts, because they could die (which happens
>max. a few times per year) ?

	no, surely not.  You don't want people to make a last ditch
	effort, though, to bring the problem to your attention?

	That I let my sentiments (formed by many years of disappointment
	with email communication attempts to Siemens-sites) show, well,
	for that I apologize. that was "poor style"...

> Calm down, take it easy and simply try it again.
> Greetings, Gerhard

	yep, good advice.  same wishes to you, of course....

	maybe we can continue further discussions, if necessary, in private ?!!
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From: shimoff@umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Purim is a'coming
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:37:14 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu

Wow!  Shvat is here already, and it's time for shloshim!
(Isn't that what they call "shloshim yamim lifnei ha-chag,"
when one starts preparing for the holiday?)  So it's
thirty days before Adar, and mishenichnas Adar marbim b'smicha!

Whenever Adar comes around, I get an attack of Purim noshtalgia.
I also get a chance to write in the momma-lokshen again.

The first thing that comes to mind is the hamantushies.  (Every
year, scj devotes bandwidth to the entymology of the term; to me,
the source of hamantushies is obvious ...).  Fill them with
mohn, reminding us of the the stuff we ate in the desert, as well 
as it's laxative properties!

I do look forward to hearing megilla reading in shul.  My shul
is so frum, it's wonderful.  All the men wear their shtieblach,
and the women wear either shtetls or kichels.  Of course, I can't
see the women, since they are behind the metsitsa.  Still, it's
a real beheimishe place to daven. They also treat me well in shul;
every year, I'm niftar at least once.  Nobody talks during chazoras
ha-shass, everyone falls korach for Aleinu, and the sight of the
Rav making kaddish on the bochur of wine Friday night is always
moving.

Our Rav is something else again.  When he gives a dvar halakha, he
reviews every din v'cheshbon, and his mussar snoozes are out of this
world!  And he does a wonderful job on weddings.  The sight of the Rav,
the chazar and the challah under the chutzpa, with the parents, the
shver and the shvitzer ...

Of course, Purim isn't the only holiday I remember fondly.  There
is Pesach, when the kids ask the arba kanfot, and steal the apikores.
And Sukkot, with a lulu of an esrog, chodosh and aveiros.  And what
could be better than potato gatchkes on Chanuka.  Or learning all
night Shavuos, and davening with the hashkofo minyan.  (Last year,
I learned the Rambam's commentary of the Ba'al haTurim; it's called
his Tur Guide, and was recently recovered from the Cairo Gazebo.)
And remember the various hashgachos on Simchas Torah?

Still, Purim is the best of all.  Remember the main mitzvos of
mishlo'ach money and tuna for the Ebionites.  Try to get your
less observant friends involved: Kever R'chokim is always a 
good idea.  And let us all pray that, im yetzer hora, we 
should all have much hatzala in all we do.

-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: bramson@novavax.UUCP (Jennifer Bramson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re^2: Jews and Germans
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:31:43 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


In school we tried an experiment -- take three pieces of long hair and burn 
them.  I assure you the stench is repulsive.  Now multiply that by a full
head's worth of hair, not to mention skin, blood, and everything else ONE body
contains.  Now multiply by dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions.

And noone KNEW????

Yet, denial is a powerful defense mechanism.  It helps protects us from seeing
that our partners are alcoholics, that our daughters are being sexually
ravaged, and that our children are in pain.

So, do we hold people accountable for what is too painful to face?  Would we
behave any differently?  I'd like to think I would, but who's to say....



Jennifer Bramson
Nova University 
Center for Psychological Studies
bramson@psy.psych.nova.edu
From: rjablonk@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Internships in Israel
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:20:30 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

My brother is interested in interships in Engineering in Israel.  He will be
graduating with a degree in Mechanical Engineering from Tufts U.  If anyone
has information about 6 month to year internships in engineering, please send
me information.  I think he has an account with the same address as mine except
that the name is EJABLONK, otherwise send it to me and I'll give it to him.
Well, thanks in advance.
					Ra  :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:07:54 GMT


In article <4664@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>  To my best knowledge the origionator of that idiotic custom of puting
> the garbage beneeth the western wall stones is Rabin who hold the
> title of chief of staff during the six day war.
> When he arrived to the western wall he put there some written paper.

> Religious persons never put papers there.

Wrong.  Completely, patently, utterly, wrong.

BTW, the Throne Above has -always- been a local call in Yerushalayim.
:-)

-- 
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthodoxy and Health (Was Re: Orthadox Judaism and women)
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:04:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan20.233937.14284@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:
>|> ighly similar results. The relative risk of glaucoma in the CHASIDIC (not
>|> MITNAGED) community was much lower than in the DATI (religious) or secular
>|> communities. Experimental work followed and verified our  hypothesis that
>|> it was the head-out-water-immersion  in the hot MIKVA that could
>|> be the only explanation.
>
>This theory sounds pretty interesting, except for one thing - most
>MIKVAOT I've ever seen aren't kept particularly hot, certainly not
>anywhere near as hot as a hot tub, usually just warm enough not to be
>uncomfortable on entering it.  

Where you are.  Possibly not in Israel, where the ambient temperature
is hotter anyway.

>Since it sits unused much of the time, it's an expensive proposition
>to keep it heated much more than that.

And the Haredi use the Mikva much more often than "unused most of the
time", so it may be done there.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: Siemes Wien is email hell - someone needs to get their act together
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:21:23 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Liebe Freunde im Netz !
E-mail gibt's bei uns schon lang, und ich muss zur Ehre unserer Mann-
schaft und Rechner sagen, dass ich noch nie verstuemmelte Texte oder Beschwerdenbekommen habe.
Ausserdem ist hier in Wien Kriegsterminologie wie hell und Massaker nicht
sehr beliebt.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)
From: srose@mizar.usc.edu (Steve Rose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for readings on Khazars?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:56:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: Khazars Jews

I would be interested in any suggested readings people might offer on
the Khazars and possible relationships to Eastern European Jewry 
(I know of the book The Thirteenth Tribe, but have not read it yet -
and would be interested in any supporting or critical materials,
background material etc.).

Thank you,

Steve Rose



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:34:16 GMT

schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:
> In article <19Jan93.184355.20623@granite.ciw.edu> you write:

> > Finally, I find it in exceedingly bad taste that Rabbi
> > Schneerson has not spoken on the issue.  It gives the impression
> > that he is pleased and flattered with such speculation, whereas
> > a truly great man would immediately end such talk.  
> 
> You seem to be unaware that R' Schneerson is recovering from a recent
> stroke, and is in a severely debilitated state.  I believe that this is
> one of the primary causes of the current nonsense.

This doesn't explain his silence over the years about this topic.
We have seen much discussion about the hypocrisy of not actively
(whatever that means in this situation) pursuing the Mashiach.
Is there any Halakha requiring the Mashiach himself to be more
active in this regard?  A simple but clear statement to the effect
of, "I'm here.  Do X," for instance.

-Don Gertler, stoking the flames
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cs922177@ariel.yorku.ca (DANIEL T FARKAS)
Subject: Re: How do Jews reconcile science and philosophy with their faith?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:41:06 GMT

In article <dfs.728076667@kmpec> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <44049@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:
>
>>There seem to be many Jews (perhaps non-practising) in the sciences
>>and mathematics.  Perhaps some of them even read this newsgroup.  It
>>seems to me that it is difficult to reconcile various scientific
>>accomplishments with religion in general.  For example, evolution
>>and the big-bang theory run contrary to the account given in the
>>Bible.  In the philosophical realm, I haven't heard any defenses of
>>free will vs. determinism or other dilemmas given by people of a
>>Jewish background.  So, how do you people do it?  "It" refers to
>>reconciling your fundamental religious beliefs with the scientific
>>and philosophic theories (&c.) of the day.
>
>Well, some (a few) Jews do not reconcile science with religion, and
>view science as wrong or incomplete.  But most, even the Orthodox, do
>not insist on interpreting the Bible literally as, say, fundamentalist
>Christians would.
>

   It's actually not so simple.  I think it is very important to have
clear in your mind what you believe ing in the sciences, I've been
thinking about some of these topics recently.  It's kind of like this:
(My opinion only)  If you would look into the sky 5 minutes after G-d
created the world, you would have seen the stars.  Scientists would use
that fact to prove that the world was a certain amount of light years
old, when in reality, it's only 5 minutes old.  The answer is to say
that G-d created an old world, with the light allready in motion from
the stars, several light years away.  For example, when G-d created
Adam.  If you would have looked at him 5 minutes later, you would have
seen a man, and therefore, "prove" that he is 20 or 30 years old,
depending on his apparent age.  When in fact, G-d created him as a 20
year old, 5 minutes ago.
   So, to answer the original question:  Most of things the scientists
have come up with are in fact correct.  The world we live in does run by
Darwin's rules.  And perhaps, if you trace things back they may lead to
a "big bang" (although this is not clear cut, even among the
scientists).  Where their mistake is, is in believing that this all
happened by chance.  In reality, G-d created the world in this fashion.
In other words, G-d created a evolution type world.  The world didn't
"really" evolve, just by chance, but rather G-d created the world this way.
(Just like the first man really didn't come from a cell.  Rather G-d 
created the type of man, that if studied, would appear to have come from a
cell.) Every thing that happened, was actually masterminded by G-d.
(And therefore, there is a deeper meaning to life than just survival,
but that's another story....)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Neo-nazis exploit Hebrew...
Keywords: racism
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:23:51 GMT

In <1993Jan21.145616.203486@uctvax.uct.ac.za> naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

>Despite the fact that I live in South Africa, I can honestly say that
>I have never ever met anyone who can truly be called a racist.

You must travel in limited circles.  As an ex-South African, I remember
meeting lots of truly racist people there (including, sad to say, some
of my relatives.)

>The Ku
>Klux Klan style of racism is actually quite rare in SA.

Agreed, but there is lots of other racism there.  How many people do
you know who talk about "garden boys" or "girls"?  How many people do
you know who have live-in servants, referred to as "shiksas"?  How
many people do you know whose servants live in small rooms outside the
main house, with no indoor bathing facilities?  When I lived in SA,
the majority of people I knew fit into those categories.

>As for Apartheid, I leave you with this thought: How come the people
>who whine about Apartheid in SA often turn out to be the same people
>who think that Apartheid in Israel is just dandy and that Jews should
>be forcefully removed from the West Bank and Gaza strip which should
>be exclusively Arab land. How come the people who bark at SA are
>usually the same people who want to stop Jews from living in East
>Jerusalem. Can you imagine the outcry if SA passed a law that said
>that Blacks can't live in East Cape Town.

I don't "whine" about Apartheid.  I just can't see how anyone, least
of all Jews, can rationalize it.  I saw first-hand the devastation
that Apartheid has wrought in South African society, not to mention
the misery it imposed on individuals.  And making a connection between
anti-Apartheid sentiment and anti-Israel sentiment is spurious at
best, and plays into the hand of anti-Zionists at worst.

--
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David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Germans and Morals
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:40:07 GMT


Reading the Torah and morals thread and the German thread together, it
occurs to me that the problem with the Germans is that they do not
adhere to the very strict standards of Biblical interpretation
advocated by Daniel Farkas.  For instance, slavery is illegal here,
though admittedly it was popular during WW2.  Moreover, while
homosexuals are sometimes looked down on, I'm not sure they are looked
down on *enough*.  Also, the bigotry is too undiscriminating, since
the same skinheads who beat up gays are also quite happy to beat up
Jews.

This sort of thing is the real trouble with the Germans.  They put
homosexuals in concentration camps, which seems to follow the
requirement for capital punishment for gays pretty well (Mr. Farkas
will have to tell me if he thinks lesbians should be killed also.)
But they had the bad taste to put the Jews into the very same camps, a
violation of Torah as it seems to me.

So it seems to me a fitting punishment for the arrogance and crudity
of the Germans would be to put Farkas in charge of the country.  I
think his ideals about morality are perfectly suited to punish the
Germans, being pretty well suited to punish anybody.  Institute
capital punishment for adultery, homosexuality, and chewing gum on
Saturday, and enslave anybody who is handy (the Poles are still
somewhere in the neighborhood, I think.)  Nobody could fear a reunited
Germany run along such high moral lines, and the whole "German
problem" would disappear, along with people trying to get into Germany
and all the terrible food the Germans insist on eating.

Now, some people may think my perspective here is a little warped.
And there is another way of looking at it--maybe if we inhabit
soc.culture.x, and need somebody to deplore, we might be able to do
this without moving over to soc.culture.y, and clucking our tongue
at how horrible the y's are.

Speaking, of course, as someone who is just visiting both places, so
what do I know...

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Alter Rebbe?
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:56:27 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In: <199301202107.AA26609@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> brings:

>Tanya for January (gated for YY Kazan)

It starts with:
 >
>[In the previous chapters, the Alter Rebbe discussed the difference

I am always puzzled when I read this title the Alter Rebbe which means
the old Rebbe.  I understand that this is how the Chabbad people refer
to their  founder.  But why  "Alter"? Now  this title surely  fits the
present Lubavitcher Rebbe,  him being alive but  not especially young,
but it  seems odd to be  used for a  dead person.  Why not  Rebbe Zal,
Zatzal, olev  hasholem, if  we already  use the  Yiddish pronunciation
etc.?

If one could at all give such a  title to a dead teacher, would it not
fit Moshe much more? Just curious.

Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Lot and 'Incest' (was Who did Cain Marry?)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:37:56 GMT

In <199301241038.AA04634@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

>It lends itself to another explanation as well.   After living there for so
>long, Lot had been influenced by the local mores and had become a "Sodomite"
>himself, i.e. one not interested sexually in women.   :-)

Well the Sodomites must have retained some interest in heterosexual
relations, or Lot would not have offered them the same two daughters.
Their insistance on the male travellers may have stemmed not from a
preference for males over females as rape victims but from the brand
of hospitality for which Sodom was known.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: The Kotel Hama'aravi has a fax number!
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:24:31 GMT

"Chaim R. Dworkin"  <chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu> writes:

>>From Israeline of 21 Jan...

> 
>>Bezek Introduces Fax Service for Western Wall Notes
>>
>>Today's HADASHOT reports on an experimental service introduced
>>yesterday by the Bezek communications company in Israel. Bezek
>>initiated a fax service to the Wailing Wall. Anyone wishing to put
>>a note in between the stones of the Wall, may fax their request by
>>dialing 972-2-612-222 at any hour of the day. A Bezek messenger
>>will then take the fax and place it in a gap between stones in the
>>Wall. Bezek spokesperson said that requests will be printed on
>>regular fax paper and that  the service is still experimental. The
>>spokesperson added that both AT&T and MCI have expressed interest
>>and have announced their intention to start listing the new
>>service within the next few days.
> 

>Wow, when is it going to get an e-mail address?  Perhaps
>kotel@israel.nysernet.org?

Maybe israel.nysernet.org needs to set up a fax server.
-- 
Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: nd Nazis
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:12:31 GMT

In article <16B5E846B.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Brian Lane) writes:
>We have lawrence on one side...who I assume is representing the general
>jewish viewpoint ....i.e. the germans are guilty, their country should have
>disappeared, the germans of today are just as guilty since its obviously
>something to do with the german race that caused the nazi movement.

I do not believe that this represents the general Jewish viewpoint.
It certainly doesn't represent mine.

In my opinion, the holocaust could have happened in various other
European subcultures if a nationalist dictatorship of a certain stripe
had come to power.

I do not hold today's Germans guilty for what happened.

On the other hand, I'd not be surprised if a portion of today's
Germans have some of the same cultural attitudes that made the
holocaust possible, and the activities of the neo-Nazi skinheads are
symptomatic of this.


--Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mgoller@uceng.uc.edu (Michael Goller)
Subject: Re: Religious breakdown of Clinton Cabinet
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:09:36 GMT


At least four years if he's not reelected, eight if he is.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic