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From: chaw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (S. S. Chawathe)
Subject: Re: Nitya/abortion rights
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  8 Sep 92 00:56:52 GMT

shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan) writes:

>       Most successfull Indians come from families who have
strong family values. They know how much support the family pro-
vides in their most depressed moments. Compare american families
and indian families. You can see a lot of difference. President
bush has refered to the indian families as the model that ameri-
can families need to look upto and learn. Behind everysuccessful
person is a family that supports him/her and has supported
him/her to the hilt. This is to address your question of the fear

And all this `inspite of' abortion being legal in India.
Perhaps you're confusing two issues here?

-- 

_________________________________________________________________
Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu                                 tat tvam asi
From: cheriv@nuge102.its.rpi.edu (Vinay M. Cherian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SAAJAN
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:10:37 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY


	I am interested in purchasing a video cassette of movie SAAJAN.

Does anyone know the phone number of any place I can mail order from??
Please let me know if you do. (any idea how much it would cost?)

Thanx,

Vinay



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,talk.abortion
From: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Subject: Re: Arrogant Indians and Susan Forgach
Reply-To: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:37:54 GMT


Do you really think you made a convincing argument by touting the procedure
 involved in hanging a human being that is surely living and breathing as
 opposed to a life that is still on its way ? How can sanctity of life
 be preserved by going thru a million steps and then executing someone ?
 Has there ever been a study as to why exactly one human being kills
 another human being or commits some grave crime? Are all social/
 sociological  or even  biological factors taken into account ?  Just 
 because you try a person within the guidelines set up by some other
 human beings and find him guilty doesn't justify the killing no matter
 how many petitions you allow.
 
 I completely agree that a referendum to pass a law on abortion is 
 probably the most civil way of ever being able to tackle the monster.
 But do men really have a right to tell a woman what to do with a part
 of her body ? Can the govt tell you not to chop off your rotting arm
 because it is a living thing ? What about the sanctity of a woman's
  body ? Does the govt have a right  to shove its hand into her body or 
 tell her what to do with that body?
 Does the govt have a right to tell you not to masturbate because you are
 killing potential babies ?  

 Conservatives are against social programs not because govt is not a 
 smart spender of the tax dollars but because they think the society
 is not responsible for the poor. Anyway, this issue is a bit off the
 track. But I would definitely be for a law that would force every pro-
 lifer to adopt a baby and for the politicians who support the capital
 punishment to actually carry out the execution. 

 Raghu
 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30774 soc.culture.pakistan:14602
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE
Summary: freedom of expression is also freedom of ignoring !
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:44:17 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.

In article <BuC0Bx.CIp@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.203603.10289@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> banerjee@spot.Colorado.EDU (akb) writes:

stuff deleted
> 
> I am not a believer. The only thing I wish to say is that 
> people hold somethings very dear,icons of their faith. They are raised that
> way! You put the cross in a bottle of urine, and put it in an art
> exhibition, and you call it freedom of expression. Tough call!
> 
> 
> Naveed 

Naveed, I think we should have a uniform application of logic. If muslims
want others to respect their religion, they should learn to respect other
religions. I have shown again and again how islam's basic ideas insults
other religions.  

I think freedom of expression also gives freedom to ignore.

If somebody calls my mother a whore, for all I know he/she may be right!
Even if he/she is right, that will never change my relationship with
my mother. Since I respect her for what she did for me, and that cannot
change.

I used word my in the paragraph above, I used the word our in a discussion once
and people were willing to kill me.

We should look at our relationships, not what people say about them.
If Islam is dear to me, I should NOT try to shut up everybody who wants
to say something about it. I should focus on what are they saying and
does that make any sense. If it does not, I will ignore it or I can write a book
which denies the orginal book, but please dont try to shut them up. That will
achieve nothing. 

All the great leaders taught us patience and tolerance. The whole of
Blasphemy resolves around shuting up people. That is NOT tolerance! 

I suggest that people should not try to get angry, instead they should
try to understand.

Satanic verses: I read the book, did not like it. Author did not impress me
with any interesting ideas, except perhaps, dreaming sequences of Mohd and
that religion may be born that way. I am sure many religions started that
way. I do completely support his right to write the book. I thought the flithy
language was unnecessary and did not give any weight to his arguments. All in 
all a waste of $25.

regards,

-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
Subject: Re: Karnataka fostering racism ? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:33:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.181320.16248@seas.smu.edu> krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna) writes:
>
>
>  This is from the letters to the editor column of Deccan Herald.     
>  Read this ( the comments in brackets are mine) 
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sir, 
>     "Chubby cheeks, dimpled chin, 
>      Rosy lips, teeth within,
>      Curly hair, very fair 
>      Eyes are blue, lovely too
>      Teacher's pet, is that you ? 
>      Yes, Yes, Yes !" 
> 
>Thus goes a nursery rhyme my little daughter is grappling with. I pity 
>myself- one of those hundreds of hapless parents in this country who, 
>in the name of education, expose their little ones to fixations of caste,
>creed and colour. 
>[stuff deleted]

Tell me about it...
And what about the zillions of quasi-Barbi dolls with the above description
floating around every household in India ? 
BTW, how popular do you guys think the dark-barbies will be in India ? 
I'm curious because a friend of mine is taking a bunch of 'em back home.
A very laudable gesture, IMHO, but how come it is not very tough for me
to visualize other kids ridiculing his neices/nephews for having a 
'Curly hair, very dark, Eyes are brown' doll ?
Or maybe I'm just paranoid.....

>
>I pity my little daughter too - one of those thousands of innocent victims
>of a heinous, hybrid curriculum. Are we in Bapuji's India or in Botha's 
>South Africa ? I wonder.

A very legitimate question, IMHO. Brings to mind a silly incident from my 
schooldays. I was in class 8, I think; and we had a 'greenhorn' subbing for
our regular teacher. Needless to say, most of us lads went nuts, trying to
exploit the situation. And suddenly, we were in trouble, for our 
head-mistress was in our midst. She told us to stand on our respective
seats and stay there for a half hour beyond the regular closing time.
It was then that the stand-in teacher intervened,"Please let Shanthi go".
Upon asked why, the answer came back,"Because she is so fair and beautiful".
Preposterous, right ? However, the Headmistress had a bit more masala in her
head, and laughed outright.... 

It seems so incredible now, but then it didn't seem that big a deal ...
Wonder how many fixations that incident induced in us all.
Mind you, I wouldn't put the blame just on the sub teacher; one sees
the sentiment prevalent in so many avatars in our society. 

Serious discussions/sensible flames welcome ...

>Sanjay 

There, I've assuaged my raw nerve :)

**sridhar**
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Don't you hate it when your favorite classic rock station
plays Marrakesh Express ? Ack ...
From: jsingh@uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu (Jaidip Singh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Naive Foreigners (Re: Nitya/abortion right
Date: 12 Sep 1992 16:53:12 GMT
Organization: Coordinated Science Laboratory, University of Illinois
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu

Has Dan Burton done a Gaya Ram? I seem to recall he was a Republican?
It must be fun to be God's chosen mouthpiece as Mr. Halan so obviously
is, and to presume to dictate the life-style that everybody should follow.
One is awestruck by the sublime self-confidence which inspires phrases
like "I enjoy a good woman" - this is the 20th century or hadn't you
noticed?
 BTW between us macho camachos, (well, OK maybe not - I don't 
drool over cute profile shots of Pat) what exactly is going on in
India? Maybe little green men from Mars burned the soles of that
Sikh's feet -the one whose photograph Burton showed. He was
then tortured to death. Those evil aliens are active; Amnesty Int.,
which is the foreign hand of course, listed 25 Indian states where
human rights abuses were rampant.
  Anyway, don't let me stop you Sikh-baiters and massacre-apologists
from sowing the wind.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Should Indian states need more autonomy?
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:02:12 GMT

In article <92248.095811THS1@psuvm.psu.edu> THS1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>What kind of autonomy that people are talking about that is not delivered
>>in the fedaral constitutional framework!
>
>May be some of the following?
>1. Governor of a state should be elected by people of the state, not
>    appointed by centre.

The post of a governer is seen by the people as the center's foothold
in a state.  So, either the foothold exists or doesnt.  Making the governer
electable, along with the elected executive, does not make much sense.  Rather
make it a scrappable entity like the vidhan_parishad.

>2. Centre should not have the power to dismiss a lawfully elected
>    state government.

>3. No restriction on power of taxation of a state.

Taxation by the center has never been the grouse of the masses.  Just of the
financial wizards in the vidhan sabhas.

>4. Abolish central paramilitary forces.
I think these are required.  But the center's ability to deploy them
should be completely curtailable by the states affected.

>5. Abolish segregated army and/or abolish the practice of posting army
>   units outside their home states (the current practice ensures that
>   the army units deployed to maintain "law-and-order" will feel no
>   emotional attachment to the people they are trying to control, and
>   will use any amount of force without any qualms).

Is this a problem.  Seriously, I never heard anyone talk about this!

>6. Convert concurrent list to state list, reduce items in union list.

Huh!.  Then taxes go either to center or state!  Whom?

It is also indispensable.  Maybe the state's veto power should be
incorporated.

>>When people talk of autonomy, they actually mean political autonomy

I dont think so.  I think its more like ``I like to be ruled the
way I wante to be ruled'' attitude.  Its perhaps governance autonomy.

>What you say is not the whole story. The union government has the
>power to get rid of a state government at will (and that is quite
>constitutional). Since a popularly elected state government does
>not have a guarantee that it can serve its full term, all other
>power it may have becomes meaningless.

Perfect...

>It is almost impossible for a state to do well when the union govt
>policies go against it. The industrial decline of West Bengal is an
>example.

I disagree.  Marxism and the trade union power are solely
responsible, for the decline of WB's industry.  After that, Center's attitude
kept WB's industry  that way.

>T.H.Sanyal.




Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna)
Subject: Karnataka fostering racism ? 
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:13:20 GMT



  This is from the letters to the editor column of Deccan Herald.     
  Read this ( the comments in brackets are mine) 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Sir, 
     "Chubby cheeks, dimpled chin, 
      Rosy lips, teeth within,
      Curly hair, very fair 
      Eyes are blue, lovely too
      Teacher's pet, is that you ? 
      Yes, Yes, Yes !" 
 
Thus goes a nursery rhyme my little daughter is grappling with. I pity 
myself- one of those hundreds of hapless parents in this country who, 
in the name of education, expose their little ones to fixations of caste,
creed and colour. 

I pity my little daughter too - one of those thousands of innocent victims
of a heinous, hybrid curriculum. Are we in Bapuji's India or in Botha's 
South Africa ? I wonder.

I remember a poignant Louis Armstrong jazz number, a hit of yesteryears.
  
   " What did I do to be so black and blue ? ...
     ........             I have no clue 
     
     My only sin    
     is my skin ...


     What did I do ...

Wouldn't that make a better nursery rhyme for our dear little ones ? I 
ask myself. 

Bangalore                         U. Dilip Kumar 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

( I personally would love to have many of Louis Armstrong's numbers - they
are tuneful and great depth - Jazz at it's supreme ) 

Here is another - this really takes the cake 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sir, 
     My little daughter was asked by her teacher to write down all the 
     numerals in Roman from 5000 to 10000 !. I first thought it was a 
     mistake and went up and asked the teacher and she insisted on having
     it done. Nobody in the world uses these numerals. I wanted proof, so 
     I called Italy and got in touch with some one in the Education ministry
     who was plain dumb-founded by the homework my daughter has. 

Bangalore                            S. Raman 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

( Karnataka's new education policy is riddled with nonsense like this. It 
  was heralded as a great new venture - it has resulted in a smaller number
  of dropouts by making it more vocational and practical rather than rote 
  memorizing. But I think it is just a brush up of what was suggested by 
  the great Abdul Nazir Saab, minister in Ramakrishna Hegde's cabinet - 
  popularly called Neer saab for his pioneering efforts in linking education
  with improving rural infrastructure in a particularly tough drought in 
  Karnataka during 1984-86). 

Sanjay 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
Subject: Re: Limerick (Re: Why can't Indian girls be more outgoing)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.195355.7260@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:
>
>Jayasimha lost me there with his `slash' poem. I thought a limerick
>may bring some clarity.
>
>Once there was a pretty young Indian girl in Columbus
>Living adjacent to an Indian guy who never had cunnilingus
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Heh, heh ...
Propogating the myth that desi guys are wimps/wusses/pussies, eh ?
Hey Murthy, get your genders right !
Maybe you should have tried Ohio and fellatio :-)

>Inevitable as fate is they accosted in the corridor
>The girl quickly turned around and locked the door 
>The guy ran for cover and hid inside a closet
>They were there motionless from morning until sunset
>When the other tenants walked into their apartments
>They smelled a familiar stench coming from the vents
>And thought a couple was making out in the ducts of ventilators
>A playful one pulled the fire alarm to expose the copulators 
>Everyone in the building ran outside covered with rugs and blankets
>Except for two with pale faces crawling slowly with hands in their pants

I'm still floundering. Whose were the pale faces ? When 'copulating' one's
face is hardly pale. Was the girl wearing pants ?
Or was the guy wearing panties ? Why were they crawling, weren't
they done yet ? Why in the ventilators ? How the heck does one get into
a ventilator ? Does the 'closet' line indicate any homosexuality ?

Maybe Jaysimha should write another poem to answer my questions :-)

>
>Murthy

**sridhar**


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Speeding Ticket
Keywords: Speeding 
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:18:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.175937.28678@ennews.eas.asu.edu> vkrishna@cimnext1.cim.eas.asu.edu (Vinu K. Krishnamurthy) writes:
>My friend from Arizona got a speeding ticket in California State. 
>Can he attend a class and thereby maintain his record clean.

Nope.  It cant be undone.  Your friend has lost his `virginity'...
``Attend classes and undo * it *''.  WOw ! what a concept...

>Should he attend the court
>Can he plead not guilty

Bribe the judges.  If they threaten you with criminal charges for
bribing, tell em that its indian parampara and culture.  ((You know
how shit scared americans are of messing around with another person's culture)).

>Any Suggestions will be helpfull

Try the above...  BOL.


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
Date: 9 Sep 1992 15:08:46 GMT

Just checking .

Arathi
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Arrogant Indians and Susan Forgach
Date: 9 Sep 1992 15:08:08 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <BuABnp.L20@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate) writes:
|> sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >The argument is fundamentally one of liberty vs life. No one can argue for
|> >absolute protection for either because both are valued highly by the public
|> >and the Constitution. The solution is to allow public debate to find a consensus
|> >and frame laws appropriately, not tilted to one extreme or the other.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	IMO, the roe v. wade decision achieves a good balance as
|> far as liberty vs. life goes.

So do I. I just cannot see how the Supreme Court has the authority to
make those compromises that are more the functions of lawmakers. That seems like a 
legitimate legislative function left either to the states or to Congress.
But then, we are treading into a wholly different area -- that of judicial
restraint vs activism.


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nambori@plato..acs.umbc.edu ()
Subject: Looking for K.L. Padmesh, Grad REC Durgapur 1987-88.
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:09:34 GMT



	Hai folks!!

		This is Ramana Raju, from umbc, Baltimore.  I would appreciate
        	if some one could provide details on the person I am looking
		for. 
		
		He is Mr. K. L. Padmesh, graduated from REC Durgapur in 
		Chemical Engr.(1988).  Later he worked with Asian Paints at
		Hyderabad, for a year or so, before moving to SAIL.    I am
		not sure after that whether he came over to US for
		higher studies.  I have a strong feeling that he must
		have ended up somewhere in the US for a MS degree.

		If some one has any clue about this guy, I will appreciate
		if you please let me know the details.


			My address:

		E-mail:  nambori@plato.engr.umbc.edu

			Ramana Raju
			4731 Gateway Terrace,
			Baltimore, MD-21227.

			Phone:  (410)-247-5217  Resi.
				(410)-455-3319  Off.

		Thanks.
			
		

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: wearing
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:15:22 GMT
Followup-To: m
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Sep5.170238.19775@ugle.unit.no>, news@Ugle.Unit.NO (Ram Lakhan) writes:
> what for anything?
> 
> a kind with white skin and hair in Alta.
> 
> you is closet mine =: u kan't ) them.
> 
> there is big babi cats only norge.
> 
> m has cotten an by chance to bat a write spinning big blaas.
> 
> i have multiple devices in my outstanding nails.
> 
> what is hate injunction feelings in night on bed with full moon?
> 
> 3[ Study at school.
> 
> be warning personally
> i love your )
> thayanantha
 
Hey dude, I think that you are sexually frustrated. You masturbate twice a day
instead of posting junk on net. 

-sergei vodka vibgyor.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: QWERTY keyboard/ Complex
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:09:56 GMT


	In article <1992Sep3.230459.28314@cs.wayne.edu> uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.220304.6936@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>> ( horse sacrifice ) is reported twice in Valmiki Ramayana,....
>					^^^
>I wonder if the standard keyboard....... 
>QWERTY ....... designed by tamilians -- because the G and H
>are next to each other.

> achanta@oats.ecn.purdue.edu (Achanta )
> Our Seetam.... seems to have a problem with Tamilians. He never misses a chance
> to take-off on them. Can anyone enlighten me on the source of the problem ?
>Srini


Srini achanta,

	Try Inferiority complex for size. See....uday... should feel right at home.

shiv