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From: zchb02@hou.amoco.com (Chuck Blumentritt)
Subject: Re: Railroad Tycoon computer game - what is it?
Reply-To: zchb02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:35:22 GMT

It is a computer game in which the player is set in one of four eras of the 19th century and attempts to build profitalbe railroads by laying track, building stations, making up trains, etc.  The graphics are not spectacular in terms of railroading, but are quite adequate in terms of the game.  It is fundamentally a simulation of the business aspects of building and operating a railroad and is not really railfan oriented.

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From: sec@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Stephen E. Collins)
Subject: Passenger Car
Keywords: Prices
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:39:22 GMT

Can anyone give me a ball-park figure on the cost of a passenger
car for Amtrack?  (The cost of the train car itself, not a ticket!)
  
Anyone know where I could get a real official price?
 
Stephen E. Collins
sec@boombox.micro.umn.edu
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From: baer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on VIA Rail
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:06:06 GMT

In article <08JAN93.15444766.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
> 
> In the Quebec-Windsor corridor, almost all the trains are LRCs, which
> are heated by HEP.  I think the only exception is on the Toronto-
> Windsor route, where both LRCs and older, steam-heated trains are
> used.  (It's been several years since I've visited SW Ontario.  If
> anybody has recent, 1st-hand info on the consists of Toronto-Windsor
> trains, I'd be interested in hearing it.)
>
Older equipment definitely in the minority on trains coming
through London, Ont. (that includes Windsor-London-Toronto and
Sarnia-London-Toronto, the latter via Kitchener & the former via 
Brantford).    I don't know if there is *any* steam equipment in
regular/consistent use, but this equipment does appear occasionally
(to deal with equipment breakdowns as spares?) during the year
 and more frequently during holiday periods (to deal with increased
loads, I presume).  My wife takes the train to/from Toronto frequently,
and I'd say about 80% of her rides have been on newer equipment.
> Tom Box
> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
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From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:51:33 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

James B. VanBokkelen writes:

> When I was last in Harmon, the overhead bridges it used to cross the main
> line were still there, but I don't know if there was track on them, or whether
> it is still used if present.

I'm sure the loop bridge was removed.  If you saw "bridges", either they are
something else, or they've decided to build a new loop.

Does anyone live nearby who can provide some information?

-- Bruce Tiffany
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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Subject: Re: SRA 900 class dmus
Reply-To: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:26:14 +0000

In aus.rail article <1992Dec28.003038.13175@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Bromage) writes:

>Last week I travelled from Wollongong to Bomaderry in s 900 class set.
>I noticed that when they enter single line tunnels at speed the inside air
>pressure increases markedly. Was it just me or have others experienced
>this too?
>
>One wonders what it would be like in s TGV at 400+km/h.

I believe TGV's, like DB's ICE, are pressure-sealed to prevent, err,
blowbacks, amongst other adverse passenger reactions to pressure pulses.

BTW: Is there any reason why you guys aren't feeding aus.rail to uunet
alongside the 50-odd other aus.* groups carried internationally ? I can
grab it via NNTP, but there are an awful lot of railfans in the world
who'd probably like to read it and who don't ... it might help you
increase the traffic in it, too, which I see you're worried is too low!

Nick.
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From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Runaway tracks?
Summary: Saluda
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:54:53 GMT


The runaway spur at the bottom of Saluda grade (near Asheville, in
western North Carolina, U.S.A.) is now automated and works off a
track circuit.  When a descending train enters the top of the
grade, the runaway turnout is set to the spur track.  A timer
knows the approximate minimum amount of time the train should need
to get to the bottom -- if it is proceeding at normal speed.

When the timer has run out, the power switch is set back to the
through mainline position -- before the train arrives.  If the
train is descending too fast, the timer will not have run out yet
and the train arrives with the turnout to the spur -- and ends up
being diverted into the runaway track.

-- Ernest

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From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Re: touring Beech Grove
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:39:12 GMT


We got our tour just by calling Beech Grove and asking... they (used to?)
run a tour every few days with whoever wanted to come along.

You speak of Walter Barrick in the past tense.  He no longer runs Beech
Grove?  He gave part of our tour himself and was a wonderful and
fascinating person.
[RICHR]
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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC TRANSIT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:06:52 GMT

In article <adam_reymon-060193135845@mac84065.educ.ualberta.ca>
adam_reymon@itc.educ.ualberta.ca (Adam H. ReyMon) writes:
 
>
>As a newcomer to internet , I'm very glad  this group exists.  But I would
>be even happier if  I could find LRT, LRV,  Streetcar or Trolley Coaches
>buffs (like me)!
>
>You can reply to this group or e-mail me.
>(adam_reymon@itc.educ.ualberta.ca)
>
>Thanks,
 
I think many of the people who regularly read and post in this group are
electric transit buffs as well as "steam" railroad buffs.  I know I am!  In
fact, for many years, transit and in particular electric transit was my ONLY
interest.  Trains were just a way to get to some city that had a streetcar
line that I could ride and photograph!  Needless to say, my interests have
broadened along with my waistline, but I am still first and foremost an
electric traction nut.  Have you seen the "New Electric Railway Journal".
If not, I'd suggest getting yourself a copy at a hobby shop.  If I remember,
I'll post their address tomorrow.
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Reading Co. T&HS (was Re: Information Requests)
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:05:08 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Last year (1992) I wrote to all of the Minnesota related Railroad Historical
Societys.  It was very intresting who responded and who didn't.

The Northen Pacific & the Soo Line Society apparently don't need new members
they never answered.

The Milwaukee took my money and I never heard a thing.

The CNW, and the Great Northen gave a respone in a few months.

The Rock Island sent me stuff in a week and when I joined a couple
weeks later I received all the backs issues for the year and lots of
infomation.

The Illnois Central has taken my money and I haven't heard a thing.

The Duluth Missabe & Iron Range finally sent me info, I joined
and got a membership card.


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From: dwells@fits.cv.nrao.edu (Don Wells)
Subject: Steam over the Blue Ridge?!?
Organization: nrao
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:03:44 GMT

Tonight the Rivanna Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society
held its annual banquet, and the guest speaker was Sally Kamauf (sp?),
who told us about her plan to run a steam excursion train out of
Charlottesville, Virginia, in October 1993.  CSX has not yet given
final approval to the plan, but it appears to be likely that they
will, probably within the next six weeks.  Kamauf and her father Jack
Showalter operated the Allegheny Central out of Covingon, Virginia,
for about nine years and then operated another excursion railroad out
of Cumberland, Maryland. The new excursion trains operating out of
Charlottesville will be pulled by the two ex-Canadian Pacific G-5
Pacifics Showalter used for his two previous excursion railroads.

If CSX approves the plan, a steam train will depart to the west from
Charlottesville each Saturday in October at about 9am, will proceed
over the Blue Ridge (through the Blue Ridge Tunnel) to Staunton, and
then on to Clifton Forge. After turning the locomotive on the
turntable, the train will return to Charlottesville by about 530pm.
On each Sunday in October, the train will depart to the east from
Charlottesville at about 1pm and will proceed to Gordonsville, where
it will turn on the wye and then return to Charlottesville.

If all goes well with these trial excursions, Kamauf and Showalter
hope (expect?) that CSX will approve a permanent steam excursion
operation between Charlottesville and Staunton. Kamauf and Showalter
intend to name this steam train operation the "Virginia Central", the
name this historic trackage (the C&O Mountain Subdivision) had 140
years ago.

The two steam engines, 6 coaches and two diners owned by Showalter and
Kamauf are currently stored on a siding in Gordonsville, Virginia,
while everyone waits to hear CSX's official decision.
--

Donald C. Wells             Associate Scientist        dwells@nrao.edu
National Radio Astronomy Observatory                   +1-804-296-0277
520 Edgemont Road                                 Fax= +1-804-296-0278
Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA            78:31.1W, 38:02.2N
From: pfein@remus.rutgers.edu (Peter Fein)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: info on old model railroader mag
Keywords: old magazine
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:43:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I have some very old model railroader magazines.  About 6 from 1947, 6
from 1946, and one from 1938.  They are all in mint condition.  Does
anybody have any idea what they are worth.  I will appreciate any
help.

					Thanks

Pete
pfein@remus.rutgers.edu
pfein@romulus.rutgers.edu
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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Electric Train Sparking
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:59:22 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1993Jan11.150925.2246@s1.gov>, by lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich):
> 
> 	Do any of you people have some favorite electric-train
> sparking anecdotes?

There's nothing like a good ice storm to make third-rail systems spark to
beat the band.  I've ridden the Chicago El during such a storm, and at one
point, the El train I was on came to a halt -- the ice had managed to lift
all the third rail shoes on the four car set I was riding.  While we were
stuck, the motorman got out and lowered the ice cutters on the third rail
shoes, and then, when a following train caught up with us, they coupled the
two two short trains into a single longer train to get more third rail
shoes to work from.  As we got going, the lights still flickered madly,
and each time the lights went out, there was a tremendous blue flash
reflected from the trackside buildings.

That's how I discovered what the extra hardware on Chicago third rail shoes
is.  For those who care, Chicago El third rail shoes are mounted on vertical
boards on the truck sideframes, and there is a spring loaded bangle in front
of and behind the shoe.  The bangles are usually toggled up, and in that
position, they don't seem to have any useful function.  The "tassle" on the
end of the spring consists of four metal leaves hanging in something of an
A configuration from the pivot pin at the end of the leaf spring, and in the
down position, they scrape along the third rail in an attempt to shave off
ice.  It doesn't always work, but in a freezing rain, it's better than the
plain third rail shoe.
					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.models.railroad
From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: WSOR vs WICT (Was: New RR GIF's Posted - Week Six)
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 19:34:56 GMT


>Can anyone elaborate on this?
 
While I don't know what incident prompted this (and I would like to
know, too), I have heard that WSOR owner Bill Gardner has been uphappy
with some of the rumors that have been floating around the area ever
since he sold the Scenic Rail Dininig equipment.
-- 
Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
WISE Div., NMRA
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From: adam_reymon@itc.educ.ualberta.ca (Adam H. ReyMon)
Subject: ELECTRIC TRANSIT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: Instructional Technology Centre
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:07:10 GMT

As a newcomer to internet , I'm very glad  this group exists.  But I would
be even happier if  I could find LRT, LRV,  Streetcar or Trolley Coaches
buffs (like me)!

You can reply to this group or e-mail me. 
(adam_reymon@itc.educ.ualberta.ca)

Thanks,
From: bw936@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory K. Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:14:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm sitting here looking at a picture of a Milwaukee Road
"Bipolar Electric" pulling the Olympian through some very cold
looking weather on my new calendar (probably a lot of you are
also), and I was wondering how electrics made steam for heating
in the days before HEP.

The obvious method would be a electric boiler, but is that the
correct or universal one?

OK, so its not of earthshattering importance and I probably just
wasted the "thousands of dollars" my machine say's it costs to
post, but what the heck, my curosity is worth something isn't it?

Greg
-- 
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Naval Civil Engineering Lab, Code L74
Port Hueneme, CA  93043-4328
805/982-9720
From: cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Unusual tunnels?
Summary: Roaring Camp RR
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:50:55 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


I forgot to mention that when I road the Roaring Camp RR last summer I had the  privilege to ride in the cab of their Heisler on the way down the mountain.  
The railroad was haveing a little customer relation program going before they
started the return trip they had a drawing.  The person who's ticket number 
matched the number they called got to ride in the locomotive cab.  It was a lot
of fun and the engineer and fireman were quite pleased to point out the      
operation of the locomotive.  I think it would have been more fun to ride in
the cab going up the grade when the locomotive had to work.  ;^)

Loren Cantrell 

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From: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff Hintzman)
Subject: Re: Unusual tunnels?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:58:40 GMT
Reply-To: hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com
Organization: HP IC Business Division R&D, Palo Alto, CA

In article <C0EDDy.A08@specialix.com>, jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes:
|> cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I forgot to mention that when I road the Roaring Camp RR last summer I 
|> >had the  privilege to ride in the cab of their Heisler on the way down 
|> >the mountain.   ...
|> 
|> Roaring Camp also has an "Engineer for a day" package you can buy.
|> You can get there early in the morning and watch them fire up the
|> engine.  (They use propane to get the engine hot and then switch over
|> to oil when they have enough pressure to run the tank heater and
|> atomizer.)  Then you ride in the cab while they make up the train and
|> then on all the trips for that day.  Unforunately you don't get to
|> actually run the locomotive.  :-(  (Too bad FRRS doesn't have a steam
|> locomotive running!)  The cost is around $75 in the winter and $150
|> in the summer.  My wife gave it to me as a Christmas present 2 years
|> ago.  I would strongly recommend doing it in winter, it sure gets
|> hot in that cab.  The fireman let me sit in his seat part of the time,
|> you sure get roasted on the right side.
|> 

Does Roaring Camp operate during the winter?  Their brochure leads one to
believe that they are shut down until spring.  This sounds like fun.

|> PS:  The package also includes lunch with the crew.

Cool.

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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Runaway tracks?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:35:48 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


The new Orcharc Supply calendar begins with a picture of a train in
the Canadian Rockies.  The text says the route originally had a 4.4%
grade and runaway tracks every two miles, and that there were lots
of runaways.  How do runaway tracks work?
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM (Michelle Donat SE Chicago Loop )
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak and cold weather
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:53:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: theloop.central.sun.com

From what I saw on CNN, it wasn't the cold, it was the 22 feet of snow in a VERY short 
period of time that shut down the Builder.
---

John Donat
john_donat@cs-lp1.prime.com



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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: SIAM & RRSWV5
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:13:34 GMT

 Can somebody kindly point me to these games !! They seem pretty similar to the
games written by a company called Dee-Kay systems which I actually produced
simulations for!!!! Could someone please show me where I can pick up copies.


---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com

From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:21:57 GMT
Subject: Re: CGW (was the Tunnel thread)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

Thanx to all who responded to my question! The machinations of railroads'
corporate owners are fascinating, to say the least. My next question would
be: Why are some of the components of a large merger left some independence,
whereas others lose their identity entirely?

An example of this would be the Burlington Northern merger of 1970, in which
Burlington "independently operated" subsidiary Colorado and Southern kept
its corporate identity until 1982, with units painted BN but with small
letters (whose size and location kept changing!) C&S on the cab. And then,
C&S subsidiary Fort Worth & Denver had ITS own lettering and numbering (which,
in the case of yard switchers, almost caused a couple of wrecks).

Any comments? You folks have such a store of information, it never ceases to
amaze me! Keep up the great work! and THANX!

 
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From: CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Passenger Car
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:18:03 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Penn State University


In article <1993Jan4.173922.18006@news2.cis.umn.edu>, sec@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu
(Stephen E. Collins) says:
>
>Can anyone give me a ball-park figure on the cost of a passenger
>car for Amtrack?  (The cost of the train car itself, not a ticket!)
>
>Anyone know where I could get a real official price?
>
   New or used? The price Amtrak pays, or the cost it charges to sell a car?
I don't know how much Amtrak sells its cars for after it no longer needs them.
But in December, Amtrak placed an order with Morrison Knudsen Corp. for 50
single-level Viewliner sleeping cars. The contract price was $100 million. That
works out to $2 million per car. The first of these cars is expected to begin
service in about two years.

craig sanders
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pgifford@reis36.alleg.edu (Pete Gifford)
Subject: Re: Information Requests
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:39:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.211339.19809@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes:
> B&LE BOOK
> 
> I just happened to have a B&LE book on my desk that I 
> found in the stack before the holiday.  
> 
> BESSEMER AND LAKE ERIE RAILROAD, 1869-1969 by Roy C.
> Beaver, Golden West Books, 1969.  That's pretty old as
> train books go, but I have never heard of an others.
> 
> The book is typical of GW's efforts.  It has lots of photos
> of both steam and diesel eras, though not many freight
> cars.  Included is a complete locomotive roster and (glory
> be!) a complete freight car roster as well.
> 
> I would be reasonably certain that this book is out of print,
> but it should be available on interlibrary loan through your
> local branch.
> 
> ~S
> --
> Garth (Haridas) Groff
> "Not yet famous author"
> ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Actually, this is exactly the book which sparked my interest.  It is a  
good history of the company, but leaves them running coal and ore trains  
with F7's for the thriving Pittsburgh steel mills.

I know that the B&LE is still operating but I'm interested in finding out  
more about current operations.  I have their phone number and I think I'll  
give them a call and see what their PR dept (if they have one) can  
recommend or supply.

Pete Gifford
Allegheny College
pgifford@alleg.edu