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From: gistrans@world.std.com (John N Brown)
Subject: Re: What is patriotism?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:20:39 GMT

In article <Dec.18.21.53.05.1992.12016@paul.rutgers.edu> kumarv@paul.rutgers.edu (kumar vadaparty) writes:
>
>I often see people talking about patriotism. WHat is it? I mean, how
>do you define this notion precisely?
>
>The following makes it even clearer.
>
>Does it mean that you are not a patriot if you burnt a flag? I would
>if I am pissed with the govt, but I dont consider myself a
>non-patriot.  Furthermore, most people in this country dont consider
>it non-patriotic either (that's why the law does not forbid it).
>
>Does it mean that you are not a patriot if you enjoyed Bjorg winning
>against Mcconroe (spelling propernouns properly is not my forte)? If I
>loved the Swede's game much better than the American's, I would praise
>the swede, and would not like to be called a non-patriot.
>
>Does it mean that you are not a patriot if India is in trouble while
>you take a temporary stay in the USA with a green card? More so when
>your entire education is subsidized by the govt of India.  I would
>have to call 500,000 Indians non-patriotic (Hindu, Muslim included).
>
>Does it mean that you are not a patriot if you are in India, work for
>the govt of India, but take enormous bribes? More than half of Indian
>govt workers are not patriotic, then. Or, if you work in the private
>industry but dont pay the taxes? Or, have your own busyness and invite
>the MPs for the right parties (with Sridevi also being an invitee, and
>with a promise that she puts out)?
>
>Let's think. What's patriotism? And why only muslims must have it?
>
>My belief is that patriotism, like religionism, is archaic and was
>used by kings to get people kill each other fighting for the kings.
>If the govt in the country I am in is not fair enough, I would protest
>(non-violently).  Call me fanatic/non-patriotic/whatever, I dont care.
>
>So, nextime before asking muslims to be patriotic, I would request the
>Hindu friends to question what is it.  BTW I ain't no Muslim. Just in
>case.
>
>
>Kumar.
>-- 

Patriotism has nothing to do with tennis, your like or dislike for 
a particular government or party even religion.
Patriotism has everything to do with your culture, your love for
your way of life and the people around you.

Since you dont really care about this anyway, why bring up the question?
You dont need don't need to prove anything to anyone.
It is something you have in your mind
If you do need to know what the relation between religion and patriotism
is I siuggest you contact the local RSS - they are very knowledgeable 
about this sort of thing!! :-) :-)

Srinivas

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From: ayyagari@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (subramanyam.ayyagari)
Subject: ANT-ARYAN = ANTI-RAM
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:25:52 GMT

An after-thought:

*  Ram was an Aryan. 
 Aryans, I assume came from Central Asia. They drove the Dravidians
who were in India, down south.

* Ravan was a Dravidian. 
 Aryans again fought with Dravidians and gave them a beating.

From, an ancestral point of view, we all South Indians (most of us)
being Dravidian descent, should be ANTI-ARYAN.

And we can conclude henceforth, that we should be ANTI-RAM,
becuz, ancestrally speaking, he is from the other side of the fence.

Subu



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From: nlp54@cas.org ()
Subject: HAPPY 1993
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:21:31 GMT






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		       CAS
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From: stallav@eos.ncsu.edu (SAIRAJU  TALLAVARJULA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Telgu patala lo prbhavam leka poledu.
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:16:01 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In Olden Telgu songs the construction was some times brillinat.
One example that quickly comes to my mind is from the film
'Velgu Needalu'. 
Kala kanidi, Viluvainadi, Brathuku 
Kanneeti bhadhala thone bali cheyaku .....

Aghadhmavu jala nidhi lona, Ani muthya munnatule,
Sokana Maduguna dagi sukhmunnadi le,
Yedi thanatha thanai nee dariki radu,
Sadinchi sodinchali, Adi ye dhira gunam.  [ Kala ||

Sai Raju
________________________________________
Thipi thipi Telgu idi Theta theta Telugu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: ... Please stop this ... (was Re: On AP Brahmins: the 6000 Niyogis)
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:08:24 GMT


A hell of a lot fo posts on brahmins...  Too many... The last one to which I am responding
was the breaking point for me...

The creating sub caste of 6000 niyogi's is the prime example of outrageous caste
politics pervading andhra...  NTR has been blamed of using caste politics!! poor
man!

Historically, the following story is the accepted one about how the casteism
went overboard in andhra...

It was mukku timmanna's time.  He was the favorite in a certain king, whose
kingdom, was estimated to encompass about 6000 villages in the krishna-godavari
basins.

The king was a bastard.  He sucked blood of the poor, and taxed like a spendthrift
democrat in USA.  The ``official tax/revenue collectors'' (I dont remember their
titles)  had their sympathies with the people's feelings.  These people were from teh
business class (or vaishyulu).  They, in true spirit of democracy revolted against
the king.

The king panicked.  Timmanna was presented this problem as a theoretical game.
He comes up with a solution.  Get hold of ~ 6000 people who can add and subtract,
and replace all the really worthy revenue collectors (who were the best people
suited for the job), with these newly elected 6000 worthless and unsuited people...

ever since the tyranny of karaNiikaalu started.   timmanna cant be blamed too much for
being partial to people from his own caste when selecting the 6000, I guess...
IN those days, babar destroyed temples.. and kings just fought each other to
kill boredom,..  SO dont use Ur moral yardstick...

He wasnt directly involved is the general opinion of the people from whom I
learnt of this.  he just happened to solve a problem...

Anyway, that was the beginning of the ripping apart of the caste structure
into petty sub-castes...  The 6000 people called themselves separate... So did
the others do in a similar fashion...

In my opinion, only the rayalu people are worthy enough to demand separate
identity for having safegaurded south indian culture from the trio of bahmani,
ahmdenagar and bijapur...   Others are just goats grazing on telugu bhoomi...
epecailly the brahmana castes...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


telangana was the battle ground between the vijayanagara empire and the trio
of scoundrels.  It was the frontline, that took the brunt of the sustained
muslim onslaught for over 250 years...  Its now a waste land...  Nobody gives
a damn about it anymore...  Millions were supposedly slaughtered in this area
on a routine basis...  no wonder we saw the ``idli-sambar-go-back'' and the
``avakaya-gongura-go-back'' agitations...

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From: achanta@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Achanta )
Subject: Re: What is patriotism?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:04:57 GMT

What is Patriotism ? A rather simple question !! Loyalty to one's country is
what I'd consider the most important characteristic of Patriotism.
One of my friends said sometime back that `we are all citizens of the world'. 
I'm an ordinary mortal and it'll take a long time for me to get accustomed to 
such a viewpoint. India is my motherland and I will not help/collaborate/
sympathize with anyone who's trying to foment trouble/partition my country. No
Indian should hesitate to defend the country when the need arises. If a person 
associates himself with the enemy of my country (or atleast sympathizes with the
enemy's cause which in this case is partitioning the country), I'd term that 
person unpatriotic. I even doubt whether such a person would be willing to
fight for the country when there's a war.

What do you think we should do with such people ? My friend (an American) had
a simple answer. KICK THEM OUT !!

Note that I'm not naming any religion here. Only specific unpatriotic persons.


Just another point of view,
Srinivas
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: mbhupati@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Murali K Bhupatiraju)
Subject: Re: HOT NON-VEG POEM.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:07:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.112354.14247@umiami.ir.miami.edu> hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.
edu writes:
>
>
>
>HI GUYS I AM POSTING A HOT NON-VEG MODREN VEMANA POEM
>
>
> #%$*&^%$#@?>...
>

Yo Dude!

We can Do without such rubbish on this net. Please
note that such vulgarity may be acceptable in certain ocassions but
here its highly inappropriate. Hope you understand.


                      Murali
                      The Ohio-State.
From: sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: STORY # 7
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:01:40 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University


                         THE DREAM THAT MATERIALISED
                         ---------------------------
                                                    Author Unknown

Subbisetty is very rich. He has his business, and agricultural lands. But he
never threw his hands at the poor. He is such a miser, that he didnot trust
even his own wife and kept the keys of cashbox with him always. He cannot sleep
without those keys tucked under his waist.

One night he had a dream. An unseen voice spoke to him thus." Setti, if you 
spend one hundred gold pieces in charity, you will get a thousand back. !!"
After weighing the pros and cons with his wife setti decided to spend hundred
coins in charity. he fed the poor with that money. Unexpectedly a distant
relative of Setty died and as that relative had no heirs, all that belonged to
that fellow became Settis. So Setti relly became richer by thousand coins.
Setti became happy beyond measure.

One other night, Setti had a second dream. Again an unseen voice spoke " Setti
if you donate thousand gold coins, you will get ten thousand back !!". Now
Setti did not consult anyone and started spending thousand in charity. His
uncle suddenly died, leaving Setti ten thousand plus pieces of gold. Setti is
extremely happy. This dreams repeated three or four times and everytime Setti
made some charity, after listening to the unseen voice in his dream, he became
richer by the promised amount.

One fine night, Setti's wife got a dream. An unseen voice spoke : " If you
donate one lack pices of gold, you will be richer by ten lack !!!". She told 
Setti of this and told him that she doesnot believe in dreams or anything of
that sort. But Setti insisted she donate one lack pieces of gold. So she made
the charity of one lack pieces of gold.

Suddenly Setti died and as promised, Setti's wife became richer by ten lack
pieces of gold !!!  Even now the dream had materialised !!!
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From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Re: On AP Brahmins continued...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:28:53 GMT

In article <C04xMs.43r@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>My earlier notes on AP brahmins gives the reader a broad 
>taxanomy. AS I said I am not sure if there are any saivite/Saaktha
>worshippers other than vaidiika one. In my notes on Hindu
>marriage  rituals, I made a stronger statement saying that
>I have not come across in my life a brahmin other than 
>the catogories that I had listed. When I wrote that, I had
>in mind two classes of Brahmins that philosophy texts relate.
>
>1) Kapalika Brahmins:
>
>Apparently in Northern Deccan, TN, and Bengal there was a 
>sect (not necessarily a brahmin sect, it is unclear) which
>used to follow the worship of Kapalika. At these worships,
>they were offering human sacrifices. I have not come across
>a brahmin from such sects.

The historical references attribute them to the time of
chalukyas/Pallavas - as U   said they needn't be brahmins. 

>2) Tantrika Brahmins (of some variety):
>
>I have read that in TN there was a particular sect of brahmins
>which used to practice some tantra. This sect of people used to
>engage in secretive rituals in Smashaanams. During the course
>of the worship, there was no caste distinctions and both brahmins
>and nonbrahmins used to worship together in the rirual as equals. They
>used to drink at that time, engage in sodomy, and wife-swapping,
>and other XXX rated sexual acts. 
>
>This class of brahmins I have not come across in AP. I do not
>know that much about TN demography to rule it out from there.
>...kt

I think here U are refering to sakti movement - as represented by Baskara
Rayar in TN. This is similar to sakti practices of kashmiri brahmins. Their
ritual called 'pancha magara' [five 'm's] refering to 5 steps starting with
word 'm'-[fish, liquor,sexual intercourse among the five]. No wife swapping
or XXX rated activities as U alluded to. Actullly this was followed and
advocated by 'Lashmipathi' [I think]. Baskararayar opposed such practicess
and he replaced the five steps with mudras which one invoked while starting
the puja.

To say the least, not-necessarily brahmins who were involved in this [as I
can see from the folowers of Baskararayar in TN].

raghavan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: mamta@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: LO
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:49:27 GMT

THIS IS A TEST
-- 
Kim Hoffman:  Department of Computing and Communication Services
              Natural Science Centre Rm 245
              Phone: 661-3800
              EMAIL: khoffman@uwo.ca

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: On AP Brahmins continued...
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:52:04 GMT

My earlier notes on AP brahmins gives the reader a broad 
taxanomy. AS I said I am not sure if there are any saivite/Saaktha
worshippers other than vaidiika one. In my notes on Hindu
marriage  rituals, I made a stronger statement saying that
I have not come across in my life a brahmin other than 
the catogories that I had listed. When I wrote that, I had
in mind two classes of Brahmins that philosophy texts relate.

1) Kapalika Brahmins:

Apparently in Northern Deccan, TN, and Bengal there was a 
sect (not necessarily a brahmin sect, it is unclear) which
used to follow the worship of Kapalika. At these worships,
they were offering human sacrifices. I have not come across
a brahmin from such sects.

2) Tantrika Brahmins (of some variety):

I have read that in TN there was a particular sect of brahmins
which used to practice some tantra. This sect of people used to
engage in secretive rituals in Smashaanams. During the course
of the worship, there was no caste distinctions and both brahmins
and nonbrahmins used to worship together in the rirual as equals. They
used to drink at that time, engage in sodomy, and wife-swapping,
and other XXX rated sexual acts. 

This class of brahmins I have not come across in AP. I do not
know that much about TN demography to rule it out from there.
...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: prasad@seas.smu.edu (Nageswara G. Prasad)
Subject: Re: What is patriotism?
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:33:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.160457.8682@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> achanta@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Achanta ) writes:
>What is Patriotism ? A rather simple question !! Loyalty to one's country is
>what I'd consider the most important characteristic of Patriotism.

	Rightly said. Loyalty to one's country should be considered a virtue.
As loyalty to one's family is important( I don't mean nepotism) loyalty to
one's contry is important. But one should be careful not to indulge in
jingoism. That would only lead to suffering and ill will. But patriotism
on the other hand is a wanted and appreciative quality. 
	Patriotism in its extreme form was used by Despots to further their
cause in the name of the cause of the mother-land. The times have changed
and hence the subtle difference in interpretation of patriotism  should be 
rightly understood. The need for defending one's mother-land in the event
of invasion by the enemy is as important as ever. Here I think the distinc-
tion between attacking and defending should be understood. Attacking another
nation because of ideological differences should not be termed as acting
because of one's patriotism. That's when our modern progressive thought 
comes in. That's where our patriotism ends.
	As already clarified, supporting a particular person or team in
sports has nothing to do with patriotism. But one would generally 
support a person/persons representing one's place of stay/one's choosen
land(I support the Cowboys since I stay in Dallas). Sports are above 
domestic boundaries. Thats what gives Sports such Universal appeal. 
They bring people together on a single platform. Well here comes 
the obvious, if sports bring people from  different nationalities 
together then this term patriotism sets them apart. Not really, since 
reality being what it is, it is not possible in this world to have 
such a coherence in spirit owing to many reasons
such as cultural difference, linguistic difference, ideological difference
etc. Atleast it will take a while before Nations of this world unite
to form a single government. If it can or if it is allowed to this would
be a lovely place. But something tells me that it is asking for too much.
Or it is too simple and pleasurable like in a dream to me realised. Well
I am an eternal optimist, don't prosecute me for that. A federal structure
may be easily possible. Look at the plans Europe has( Bosnia is a rhetoric
though)this structure is quite possible.
	Even if this scenario exists, the need for patriotism is not
reduced. Something tells me that it is in-built. Like the theory proposed
by William Hamilton about kin relationship.
	Whatever it might be I can never ever betray India since its my
mother-land. I will be loyal to it always. That doesn't forbid me from
being loyal to any other Nation or be vindictive of any other Nation.
National interests take priority, in simple words.
			
				-prasad
From: surya@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: ...ALLIANCE FROM TELUGU(KAMMA) GIRLS FOR A GREEN CARD HOLDER....
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: surya@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: surya@doc.cc.utexas.edu

Seeking alliance for my brother, 29, fair, 5'10", starting M.S.(EE)
in spring '93 at University of Texas at Austin. Did B.E.(E&C) at
Manipal, P.G. diploma at IISc. Bangalore, and worked for 5 years in
Bangalore before immigrating to U.S. 

Inviting correspondence from Telugu (Kamma) girls studying here, in
U.S.

Please reply to    surya@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: rek@eng.auburn.edu (Narayana S. Rekapalli)
Subject: Obtaining EAD for someone who is on F-1
Reply-To: rek@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:17:41 GMT


Can anyone please tell me how long will it take to obtain EAD in the following locations.  My situation is I got a job offer and I don't have EAD with me right now.  The nearest INS office for me is Atlanta.  But they take 4-6 weeks to process EAD application.  I can't wait that long.  So I want to try in other nearest INS offices.

1. Arlington, VA
2. Baltimore, MD
3. Charleston, SC
4. Charlotte, NC
5. Cincinnati, OH
6. Houston, TX
7. Jacksonville, FL
8. Louisville, KY
9. Memphis, TN
10. New Orleans, LA
11. Orlando, FL
12. Tampa, FL
13. Washington, D.C.

Please reply to the following E-mail address.

	rek@eng.auburn.edu

Thanks in advance,

Narayana Rekaplli

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: HOT NON-VEG POEM.
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:23:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: umiami.1992Dec27.112354.14247
Organization: Univ of Miami IR




HI GUYS I AM POSTING A HOT NON-VEG MODREN VEMANA POEM




CHEERA LEPI CHOOSTE CHILLU UNDU,
*ULLI VESI CHOOSTE SUKHAMUGA NUNDU,
VISHWA DABHIRAMA VINURA VEMA.
From: seetam@hub.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: ......  variant of "aayaa raam..." .......
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:36:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



a new variant of the famous ``aayaa raam gayaa raam'' just popped in my head...


		aayaa raam	gayaa babri




Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


P.S.  :  There is a pun in the third word above.  Politically active/concious
	 netters will see it...  Hint : ....sharanam gaccaami....