HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rmb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (Robert Braham)
Subject: UK/BBC archives, con't
Reply-To: rmb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:27:26 GMT

Continuing this thread:

Someone (I beleive his/her name or user name was "Saki" (sorry!)
just replied to me personally re how to transfer to a post
a letter received via regular VAX mail; I zapped the letter
too quickly, thinking I could then follow instructions.  Well,
the instructions don't work on this system.  So, for
the last time, I hope (watch that the ultimate info is useless,
although I think not: contact points for BBC and UK archives, etc.)

Can you--"Saki", or whoever, send me again E-mail directly;
I'll forward the letter re UK to *you*, and *You'll* post it?

OK?

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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Any News on the release of those 'new' singles?
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:58:36 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
: 
: Other news bits of note:
: 
: 
: Excerpts from Mal Evans' home movies of the Beatles will be released on 
: video by London's Vex films.  (No American release is mentioned)
: 

Be careful here, and don't build up you hopes.  The films that Vex
bought were *NOT* films of the 'Beatles'.  

They were simply film Mal took when he was on holiday with Paul. 
(That's why I did not bid for them :-)

The sale price reflected that.

The film of the Beatles - eg on the famous trip to Greece - was
(reportedly) bought by Apple and is hoped to be in 'The Long & Winding
Road' compilations due this autumn (although if these are to be out
for Xmas they are now cutting it fine methinks.

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
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From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: HELP!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:31:21 GMT

On Thu, 8 Oct 92 at 22:02:17 GMT dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) wrote:
> In article <swindley.718542516@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:
> >  What are the beatles spelling on the cover of HELP?
> It's "NUJV", according to Lewisohn. 

Lewisohn is correct. HELP would have looked like:

                                               |
       o           o  /         o  /          o|
    ---              /            /        --- |
      /                        /
     /                        /

If anyone can decipher the figures above (only flags & heads shown!).
No there isn't a flag missing on the second figure, 'E' is signalled
with a single flag.

-- 
Regards

Steve Fagg      ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 )
BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK

*** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". ***
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: djs@sadtler.com
Subject: Re: Bootlegs and Imports
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:18:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.204635.3825@arizona.edu> stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu writes:
>My local used record store has a **ton** of Beatle bootlegs and I am 
>very interested in buying some...but since I have never done so before,
>I don't know what's good, what's crap and what's a fair price.  Could som
>knowledgeable individual give me some assistance?  Thanks in advance!

Anything by Yellow Dog.  These Include:

   Acetates
   Get Back and 22 other Songs
   Unsurpassed Masters Vol 1-7
   Unsurpassed Demos
   The Silver Beatles & Cavern Club Rehearsals
   
   And if you like the Get Back sessions

   Let It Be Sessions Vol 1 & 2
-- 
D. Sears                                          Email:  djs@sadtler.com
post += disclaimer;                   Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia 
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Edited Decca Audition
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:58:35 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <1992Oct15.092127.25082@malmo.trab.se> Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand) writes:
>I have a couple of the commercial as well as the non-commercial
>releases, and the songs DO in fact vary in length.
>Some are faded early. I don't know why.
>I assume some editing has been made, but I always thought the songs
>were shortened instead of lengthened (is that an english word BTW?)

Early fades are not, IMHO, the same things as edits. I've heard various
editions of the Decca tapes and can't recall any overt editing, either
lyrically (say, repeating a verse or cutting it out) or musically (no
later overdubs to my knowledge). Some of the official EMI CDs fade songs
early when compared to the original vinyl, and while that's a bit of a
bother if you remember the intact fade, it's not really editing either.

I'm not entirely sure whether you can call the Decca Tapes "commercial"
vs. "noncommercial" releases---maybe you mean official vs. nonofficial.
But it's hard to distinguish even that. Ownership of the tapes is still
cloudy. In the seventies there were definitely some bootleg editions of
the Decca songs, both in 45 rpm and LP format; in the eighties Charly
Records in London seemed to have a legitimate release on CD, though the
first edition was pulled as a result of a Beatles' lawsuit because of
the inclusion of the three L&M originals (later editions of Charly CDs
omitted these songs). Mike Smith, the producer for the session, once
claimed that he owned the rights. Decca must have owned the tapes for
awhile too, though they appear to have no control over their distribution
nowadays. In a similar vein, I think it's laughable that Macca calls the
Star Club tapes (originally on Lingasong/Bellaphon/What-Have-You) "bootlegs".
Is that what he thinks of the Bert Kaempfert sessions too? :-)

Maybe someone with a stopwatch would like to time the various Decca Tapes
editions to see what timing variations they get?

--
"They play mostly their own compositions and one of the boys 
has written a song which I really believe to be the hottest
material since 'Living Doll'."
-----------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: "New" Love Me Do 5" CD single
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.123749.4071@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
hensley@ssd.comm.mot.com (Dave Hensley) writes:
>This weekend I saw a "new" Love Me Do 5" CD single.
>(If I own all of the Beatles 5" CDs, why should I purchase this?)

Why?  Because it's for sale.

>One configuration is a "slim" jewel box (it's not a picture disc),
>and the other is the "paperboard" jewel box

I'm quoting this nice touch because it indicates EMI have settled on
another way to soak consumers.  Not only do they issue a "new" single
containing recordings easily available on CD, but they issue it in two
CD configurations!  (And just think of the cassettes, the vinyl
singles outside the US in 7-inch and 12-inch formats, and if you mail
order now you can get the limited edition wax cylinder and wire-recorder
versions.)

>What's on the disc and what's its release supposed to commemorate?

The "Love me do" on Past Masters, the other one on "Please Please Me",
and the only version of "P S I love you".  The single was first issued
30 years ago.

Shudder to think, they can issue a few of these 30-year commemoratives
every year now, with "Please please me" in 2 versions coming up next
month.  If they ever do issue a record with previously unreleased
material, we may not even notice it among the chaff.

--Joe Brennan

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: "The Making of Sgt. Pepper"
Summary: Was it edited?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:47:47 GMT

In article <9210062008.AA18207@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> MG@CRNLNS.BITNET (Mario Giannella) writes:
>
> Subject: Re: "The Making of Sgt. Pepper"
> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) wrote:
>
>>To clear up the mystery, the original poster was mistaken.  The running time
>>from the opening "Disney" credit to the end of the closing credits is
>>slightly less then 46 minutes.  (45:37 by my VCR clock)  While it is possible
>>the program was edited slightly, I would tend to doubt it.
>
>The "pinheads" at the DISNEY channel do indeed do some editing occasionally...

I don't know for certain if there was indeed any editing, but the British
version of "The Making...." was edited by Melvyn Bragg, according to its
credits. The American version was edited by Tony Webb. No mention of
Melvyn.

The presence of two different editors suggests to me that editing could
have taken place.

Anyone want to call the PR mill at Disney and ask?

--
"The Lana Sisters, clad in pink, added a welcome feminine flavour.
'Much better than those Beatles' I heard one gentleman remark."
------------------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: R.m.b.'ers meeting at Beatlefest L.A.
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:30:41 GMT

Several people have indicated their interest in an r.m.b.'ers
get-together at the upcoming Los Angeles Beatlefest.

The 'Fest takes place Sat. and Sun. 24 & 25 October at the L.A.
Airport Marriott Hotel, 5855 W. Century Blvd. Tickets are still
available through Beatlefest (1-800-BEATLES), Ticketron, or at
the door on the days of the event. You can call the hotel directly
(310/641-5700) for parking information and directions, if you're
driving.

I recommend a gathering Saturday the 24th (on Saturday the guest speakers
are always freshest and the swap-meet items still intact), 11 a.m.,
an hour before the 'Fest officially opens. Hotel officials tell me
there's a suitable coffee shop just off the lobby called The Fairfield
Inn. I'll commandeer a table for this purpose. If I get ambitious I'll
fashion a sign announcing our little group; if not, just look for a
small eleven-month-old boy whose dark red hair is cut Beatle-style...
I won't be far from him.

If the 11 a.m. meeting time is a hardship for people, I could be
persuaded to make it 2:00 p.m. Send me email, if so.

--
"They play mostly their own compositions and one of the boys 
has written a song which I really believe to be the hottest
material since 'Living Doll'."
-----------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: cstracha@cs1.uct.ac.za (CD STRACHAN)
Subject: Re: HELP!!
Keywords: help
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:42:00 GMT

In article <swindley.718542516@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:
>From: swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley)
>Subject: HELP!!
>Keywords: help
>Date: 8 Oct 92 11:08:36 GMT
>
>	I don't know if this is a FAQ (it probably would be)
>  but what are the beatles spelling on the cover of HELP?
>  I always just assumed it was H E L P but a friend said it wasn't
>  and he had worked it out to be R U something something. Could
>  please, please help me?
>
>  P.S. Isn't the tom-toms in "Your Gonna Lose That Girl" absolutely
>       shocking?!?
>
>  Bob


It is no particular word, it is gibberish
 From: Craig Strachan                  DPS: are you in ?
       UCT, South Africa
       strachan@bilbo.cs.uct.ac.za 
       cstracha@cs1.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: "New" Love Me Do 5" CD single
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:35:34 GMT

hensley@ssd.comm.mot.com (Dave Hensley) writes:

>This weekend I saw a "new" Love Me Do 5" CD single.
>If memory serves me right, the disc says that it has
>two versions of Love Me Do and one version of P.S. I Love You.
>{I think.}

>What's on the disc and what's its release supposed to commemorate?
>(If I own all of the Beatles 5" CDs, why should I purchase this?)

It's to commemorate the 30 year anniversary of the original release.
It contains both available versions of LMD and the standard version
of PSILU.

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Names in songs: Maxwell et al
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:46:30 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <1992Oct15.173515.22050@cs.wisc.edu> poosala@cs.wisc.edu (Viswanath Poosala) writes:
>Hi,
>	I have been curious for a long time about who Maxwell
>(of Silver hammer fame) and Lucy were. Thanks to rmb, I found
>out about Lucy's Julian Lennon connection and Dr Robert(s).
>Can someone (ofcourse saki can) tell me who Maxwell was?
>
>	It would be a great help if someone gives hints about
>where I can find info about stories behind the names and
>places mentioned in the songs.

Maxwell is actually not based upon a person but is just a character
McCartney made up, though the reference to "pataphysical science"
comes from a drinking organization in Paris called the Pataphysical
Club. Both Harrison and Lennon complained about the length of time
Paul took to get through this song, which Harrison called "fruity"
(I'm not entirely certain how we're meant to take that).

One of the handiest books I know for quick information about the
songs, their composition (where facts or anecdotes are known), and
their authors is William Dowlding's "Beatlessongs" (Fireside Books,
1989). Much of what's already been published in various interviews
and sourcebooks has been neatly condensed here. As always, the veracity
of the information is dependent upon the trustworthiness of the original
sources.

--
"They play mostly their own compositions and one of the boys 
has written a song which I really believe to be the hottest
material since 'Living Doll'."
-----------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie)
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:15:16 GMT

In <1992Oct13.093304.1447@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>Questions Galore:
>What other song besides FLYING (Magical Mystery Tour) is attributed to 
>all four Beatles?  Who kept the Copyright of songs that weren't 
>Lennon-McCartney or Harrisongs?
>Anyone know the story behind Dr Robert?
>THanks, 
>Federico

Hi Federico,
First answer: The other Beatles songs attributed to all four Beatles were
"Dig it" on 'Let it Be' (although this was essentially a Lennon song).
"Maggie Mae" also on 'Let it Be' (although this is credited as 
Trad. Arranged. - Lennon/McCartney/Harrison/Starr)

Don't know about copyrights but Dr. Robert is a Lennon song about 
a certain New York doctor Charles Roberts who - it was said - was in the
habit of administering hallucinogenic drugs to friends from his 48th.
Street practice. It was the Beatles' first direct musical reference to
drugs. So John obviously found this pretty funny, so he wrote a song
about it.

Bye
Robert Crosbie
c/o mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie
Trinity College, Dublin
Dublin 2
Ireland.


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: FTP lyric
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:55:58 GMT

In article <92285.162500WJMCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> WJMCC@CUNYVM.BITNET (hey, it is yourself) writes:
>
>    Where can I ftp lyric of all Beatles songs ?

*Some* Beatles lyrics are available at cs.uwp.edu (in directory 
pub/music/lyrics). Chords to some Beatles songs may be found at
ftp.nevada.edu (in directory pub/guitar/Beatles).

Many ftp sites are reluctant to house Beatles lyrics because it's
a copyright infringement. As far as I know there's no single site
that carries a comprehensive collection.

If you want to check legitimate publications, two available sources
are Alan Aldridge's "The Beatles Illustrated Lyrics" and Campbell &
Murphy's "Things We Said Today". Both may be available in university
libraries, or through specialty book services like Beatlefest (1-800-
BEATLES).
--
"They play mostly their own compositions and one of the boys 
has written a song which I really believe to be the hottest
material since 'Living Doll'."
-----------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Quoting
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:07:33 GMT

A recent article contained--

[57 lines of quoted material]
>     Actually, "Two of Us" is supposed to be about Linda Eastman McCartney.
[3-line sig]

--for a ratio of 1:60 (1.67%) of possibly useful content.

Folks!  Can we trim that quoted stuff!  It will make this newsgroup a
lot more interesting to read.

--Joe Brennan

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Re: "Two Of Us"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:36:05 GMT

In article <harold.719150133@ccl.umist.ac.uk> harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
>In <1992Oct2.205853.24961@midway.uchicago.edu> dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki) writes:
>
>>In a recent article, mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno) suggests:
>
>>And the most revealing phrase of the song---"You and I have
>>memories/Longer than the road that stretches out ahead"---suggests an
>>indefinable period of mutual recollection. That doesn't fit Paul and
>>Linda terribly well in 1969...
>
>Another interpretation: as you're starting out a relationship with a new
>person, you want to acknowledge that you both have a "past" - it's
>foolish to pretend neither of you have ever had a relationship with
>someone else before

Sounds a little bit like "In My Life," to me, which goes to show you that
John and Paul had more in common (human nature) than just the problems
of a spotlit life...

			Nat Pearson
			raindrop@leland.stanford.edu
 


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: tmdbutch@laplace.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: Edited Decca Audition
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:15:48 GMT

I have one of the commercial issues of the Decca audition
with the twelve non-Lennon-McCartney songs.  A week or so
ago, someone in this group commented that reissues of the
audition were often lengthened by furtive editing.  So...
how do I tell if my copy has been edited or not?  What's
the difference in song length, verse order, etc. between
the original and the bastardizations?  Unfortunately, I
don't have my copy of the album with me, and can't 
remember its label or even its name.

Oh, by the way, saki - I can supposedly be reached at
either tmdbutch@descartes.uwaterloo.ca, or
tmdbutch@descartes.waterloo.edu.  There have been a few
recent problems, but both usually work.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: You know my name(look up the #)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:52:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.015556.14564@seas.smu.edu>, shyamal@seas.smu.edu (Shyamal Prasad) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.183153.23522@samba.oit.unc.edu> Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes:
|> >iIts on past masters vol2:
|> >Me and my friends used to have a BLAST when we smoked and
|> >lip-synched our respective parts.  We have our own theories as
|> >to what the song could possible mean.  I'd really like to hear yours.
|> >
|> >Sidd
|> 
|> 
|> Hey, I thought this song was supposed to be just that - a *BLAST*
|> and little more. I think looking for deep meaning is pushing your
|> luck.
|> 
|> However it *never* struck me that there could be meaning in there....
|> 
|> Shyamal
|> 
|> -- 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 	SHYAMAL PRASAD					shyamal@seas.smu.edu
|> 	3216 Apt#1 Daniel Avenue
|> 	Dallas	TX 75205				Ph:(214)360 9051

     It didn't mean anything!  Lennon saw the words on a phone book cover and
thought, "Why not?"

Gabe       (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
     "Well, for starters, I don't like your tie."
                                         --George Harrison
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: Writing credits (was "Flying")
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:49:36 GMT

In article <oer4bM_00UzxQ2m2E1@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher John Cenkner <cc6f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> How many songs have the boys done where only Paul has been credited with the songwriting? I know of at least
|> one.  Just curious,
|>  
|> 						-Sergeant Pepper
|> ___________________________________________
|> {Christopher J. Cenkner<cc6f@andrew.cmu.edu>}

     Officially, all compositions except those credited to Starr and Harrison were credited to
Lennon/McCartney.  However, according to both Lennon and McCartney, the days of real eye-to-eye composition
between the two of them ended rather early.  As such, most of the songs credited to Lennon/McCartney were
written either entirely or mostly by one or the other.  The book "Beatlesongs" (I can't recall the name of the
author) lists each song released by the Beatles along with information concerning authorship, instrumentation,
dates of release, and other miscillaneous information.

--Gabe (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
From: marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Couple of Questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:33:04 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Questions Galore:
What other song besides FLYING (Magical Mystery Tour) is attributed to 
all four Beatles?  Who kept the Copyright of songs that weren't 
Lennon-McCartney or Harrisongs?
Anyone know the story behind Dr Robert?
THanks, 
Federico
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: HELP!!
Keywords: help
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:57:00 GMT

In article <swindley.718542516@s1.elec.uq.oz.au>, swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:
|> 
|> 	I don't know if this is a FAQ (it probably would be)
|>   but what are the beatles spelling on the cover of HELP?
|>   I always just assumed it was H E L P but a friend said it wasn't
|>   and he had worked it out to be R U something something. Could
|>   please, please help me?
|> 
|>   P.S. Isn't the tom-toms in "Your Gonna Lose That Girl" absolutely
|>        shocking?!?
|> 
|>   Bob
     
     I have heard two different answers to this question.  One is that they were
spelling "L P U S," or, "Help Us."  The other is that they were indeed spelling
"H E L P," but the album cover was reverse-printed, and holding it up to a mirror
reveals the letters "P L E H.:

Gabe  (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
     "We turned left at Greenland."
                             --John Lennon