From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: A question for any MALE prolifer
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:32:56 GMT

smccabe@franklin.ecn.purdue.edu (Sarah A McCabe) writes:

>In article <1992Apr07.072202.8316@liebe.uucp> kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley) writes:
>>cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>>
>>>to answer:
>>
>>>What equivalent responsibility (if any) do you propose for the
>>>MALE who got the potentially aborting woman pregnant?
>>
>>>And people wonder why I have little respect for pro-"life" males.
>>
>>>                           -rocker
>>
>>
>>The reason for so little response would be self-evident to the rational
>>person.  In preparing for this "debate" you force the respondent to 
>>automatically take up the defensive position.  Hardly an intelligent way
>>to start any argument or debate.  So if you are so proud (haughtily) of

>This from a man who consistently refers to people who disagree with
>him on the question of the legality of abortion as "pro-death".  Gee, 
>that sure doesn't start out by putting anyone on the defensive or
>anything.  

Geeee...I wouldn't take much thinking to realize that the "pro-death" is a
simple response to those who insist on using "anti-abortion" and the   
white-wash nature of the term "pro-choice".  When I see universal respect
for Pro-Life I will return the favor. 

>>the ammo you wish to annihilate the respondent with ... you answered the
>>question first with some proposals and we'll go from there.  If you have
>>posted some of these ideas before then please reiterate as I have not
>>seen any.  And people wonder why I have so little respect for pro-death,
>>over-emotional, gullible females.
>>
>>Kevin Brawley (not afraid to use my real name)

>Well, Kevin, maybe if you had spent a leeetle time reading this newsgroup
>you would have seen some of the common issues that certain people
>consistently bring up.  One of Cathi's favorite is basically that pro-lifers
>often argue that a woman has a physical responsibility to the z/e/f
>(that's zygote/embryo/fetus) which she has helped to concieve.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ add child/baby/infant also 

  If
>you support this argument, what equivalent physical responsibility does 
>the male who was involved in this conception carry?

Responsibility cannot be "equal" due to the nature of pregnancy.  Hence the
male responsiblity has to come in the form of financial and emotional
support.  BTW this is NOT the issue and that has been my main point all 
along.  The only way you can fight the issue is to NOT fight the issue.

  And for future
>reference, Adrienne usually points out that pro-lifers who exhibit signs
>of fetus worship are often guitly of mysoginistic (I *know* that's not 
>spelled correctly) behavior.  Nora is usually apt to point out that 
>Nazi analogies (as used by either side) are not only incorrect, but 
>insulting and potentially harmful.

Oh well!  Since Nora points out that Nazi analogies are incorrect they 
are incorrect???  I sense a bit of Nora-worship here.  The Nazi analogies
are valid, much as you hate them (and they must be cause KEVIN said so).

>Sarah McCabe
>"Stop the slaughter of skin-children.  Stamp out scratching."

Kevin Brawley

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