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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com ((jt) John Thompson)
Subject: re: Apollo Password Problem
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:49:21 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

> this method doesn't seem to work consistently on the Apollo. It works
> for some accounts, but not others. I've got a sneaking suspicion that
> it's because the encrypted password in the /etc/passwd file does not
> match the one in the registry.

I may know what the problem is.  If you have accounts that have passwords which were
last changed at 9.7, rather than 10.x, the passwords are different between the
registry and the /etc/passwd file.  I have no idea why, but I do know that at
10.x, they changed the encryption to be JLRU, instead of Aegis-like.

Check the accounts that fail for this by going into edrgy and doing a 
'view <account> -f' on them.  If the last-changed time is about the time you
did your last cvtrgy, then I'll lay pretty good odds that they haven't changed
their password.

-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!gtephx!tharpm@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Michael Tharp)
Subject: BNF for Aegis shell
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:52 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

Does anyone have it? Please e-mail or post.

Many thanks in advance,
Michael
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   Michael Tharp (AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, AZ)   (602) 582-7113 
   UUCP: ...!{ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!samsung!romed!hrc | att}!gtephx!tharpm
   Internet: gtephx!tharpm@asuvax.eas.asu.edu                 
** DISCLAIMER: My employer disagrees with everything I say (except this). **
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!pmarriot@uunet.uu.net  (Paul Marriott)
Subject: Diskless 9000/400 won't boot off DN4500 anymore
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:44:51 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

Yesterday, we had our DN4500 crash. After running salvol etc. everything
rebooted without any problems. However, we have a 9000/400dl booted
diskless off the 4500 and now it refuses to boot. It gets as far as loading
in DOMAIN_OS but fails when it tries to create the /sys/node_data.nodeid
directory. It gives the error message:

81270001 Boot error UID request failed
NO DEVICE FOUND

stcode 81270001 gives
operation attempted on unopened stream (stream manager/IOS)

Doing a pst on the 4500 reveals a zombie process forked from netman. A
traceback of this process gives: 

tb 5B102C18.D002C83F 
Process        1102 (parent 1065, group 0)
Time           92/09/09.11:02(MET)
Program        //vlsi01/install/ri.apollo.os.v.10.3/bsd4.3/bin/sh
Status         00040004: reference to illegal address (OS/MST manager)
In routine     "dfile_$pre_fork" line 171
Called from    "ios_$pre_fork" line 97
Called from    "pm_$fork" line 2407
Called from    "fork" line 99
Called from    "execute" line 405
Called from    "execute" line 580
Called from    "exfile" line 256
Called from    "main" line 146
Called from    "unix_$main" line 114
Called from    "_start" line 132
Called from    "PM_$CALL" line 176
Called from    "pgm_$load_run" line 903
Called from    "pgm_$invoke_uid_pn" line 1124

where process 1065 is netman

Any clues as to what the problem is? The ownership of the node_data.nodeid
directory seems ok

Please mail me at paul@zeus.ci.ua.pt as I don't use the account this was
posted from very much.

Cheers,

Paul.
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From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!gtephx!tharpm@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Michael Tharp)
Subject: BNF for Aegis shell - CORRECTION
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:34:48 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

My earlier post requesting the grammar for Aegis had a bogus signature.
My real e-mail address is below. Sorry and thanks.

Michael
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UUCP: ...!{ncar!noao!enuucp | att}!gtephx!tharpm
Or: ...!uunet!gtephx.att.com!tharpm        
Internet: gtephx!tharpm@enuucp.eas.asu.edu OR tharpm@gtephx.att.com                  
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From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!ajfcal!novatel!hpeyerl@ucbvax.  (Herb Peyerl)
Subject: Re: Strange packaging technique
Organization: "NovAtel Communications Ltd. Calgary, Alberta, Canada"
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:29:22 GMT
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Mike Kelley (kelley@kelley.nist.gov) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep2.234048.18002@u.washington.edu>, davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts) writes: 
: |> The accessory kit box contains two plastic SIMM card guides, a
: |> metal backplane cover, and three machine screws.  These are packed in
: |> -- you guessed it -- a specially-made piece of anti-static bubble
: |> wrap marked "CAUTION:  Contents subject to damage by static
: |> electricity.  DO NOT OPEN except at approved static-free workstations."
: ed by peanuts.  This box contained, most delicately held between two sheets of foam, the software license for a program we had been using for the past two years.

That's cute... On May 24, 1991, I got a letter from HP announcing that
since HP is ranked as a world class leader in support services, they
were enhancing their existing support services by installing a new version
of HP SupportLine...  They go on to describe the various features offered
by the new SupportLine etc... The letter itself is perfectly normal except
that it was sent "Postage Due". I figured if HP couldn't afford postage on
outgoing propoganda, there must be even more problems supplying toilet-
paper in staff washrooms...

--
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I was late to start, I | peyerlh@cuug.ab.ca                     | there- | 
might be an adult, but | #define JANITOR "Network Administrator"| fore I | 
I'm a minor at heart." |    JANITOR, NovAtel Communications Ltd.|   AM.  |
From: valente@sissa.it
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: .xbm files
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:05:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Intnl School for Adv Studies

Date: 7 Sep 92 07:51:04 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep7.085104.1@sissa.it>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hope this question is not *TOO* trivial:
What are .xbm files?

Ricky
valente@tsmi19.sissa.it
From: jchauvin@netcom.com (John H. Chauvin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Xlogin question: Adding a screen saver and root background
Date: 6 Sep 92 09:08:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Date: 5 Sep 92 15:49:41 GMT
Message-Id: <qsnn5y_.jchauvin@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


I tried posting this message to comp.sys.sgi and received no
responses so I will try here. I hope someone can help me.

I am currently using a Silicon Graphics 4D/25G workstation and
am attempting to define a screen saver and custom root background
which would only be active/displayed when no user is logged on
(when the login program called pandora is running) overriding the
default light blue background and blank screen saver.

Since the file /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xlogin displays pandora, it seems
to be the logical place to insert the screen saver and background
commands. I have defined a screen saver using the "haven" command
which runs a gl based screen saver. The root background is displayed
using the "bgpaste" command. Both commands are set to run in the
background. Having done this, I have encountered a problem.

Having made the changes to Xlogin, I logged off the system. The
new background appears and the screen saver is active. BUT, when I
attempt to log back on, the system hangs immediately after the
login screen disappears. What is going on? Since this approach did
not work, I moved the commands to the Xreset file. Both commands
seem to work and I was able to login to the system. But as I logged
in and out a number of times, I discovered that the screen
saver was active only half the time. One look at the xdm-error file
convinced me that this approach was also incorrect.They say what
I am trying to do can be done. Any suggestions?


Thanks

John Chauvin
Northrop Corporation
Advanced Technology & Design Center
Pico Rivera, California
jchauvin@netcom.com
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Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:06:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: UNLV

Date: 8 Sep 92 02:12:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep8.021225.18194@unlv.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x

>>>
I have found the CLI interface ( for my work ) to be most flexible,
you can type anything, if you get it wrong it simply coughs and
splutters, but it lets you do it.. with GUI's and CUI's, what's
allowed is allowed, and anything else IS IMPOSSIBLE.. which means a
good GIU need to cater for just about everything.. thats a pretty tall
order to give ANYONE! ( I wouldn't touch it personally :-) )
<<<

With a good UI you can customize it to whatever you want. Saying
anything else is simply wrong. Trust me, my mac is set up to do
numerous things that normally couldt be done normally. Oh,
and my mac never coughs and sputters. (it plays music when it dies,
but every mac does that.)
From: rlr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Ricky Ralston)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: How to press CAPSLOCK ?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:09:28 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Atlanta Technology Center

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:06:33 GMT
Message-Id: <151710002@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



How can I logically press the Caps Lock key.  I need the functionality
of having a widget keyboard.  (ie. When I press the button labeled
"Caps" the Caps Lock toggles - just like it was pressed from the "real"
keyboard.)



Ricky Ralston

rlr@atl.hp.com
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: PC X term emulators (free)
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:11:31 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: San Jose State University, Math & CS

Date: 11 Sep 92 20:41:12 GMT
Message-Id: <rick.56.716244072@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <pb.716197371@atperf.idca.tds.philips.nl> pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer) writes:
>From: pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer)
>Subject: Re: PC X term emulators (free)
>Date: 11 Sep 92 07:42:51 GMT
>X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone
>
>In <1992Sep9.181720.6368@ra.msstate.edu> borchert@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert) writes:
>
>>I assume there are no free X term emulators on the internet.  Are my 
>>choices only DESQview/X and Hummingbird for the PC?  Wouldn't a used Sun 3/50 
>>or 3/60 make a cheaper X term for a company than a 386+ PC with ethernet
>>card and X term software?

The Sun's make a good X terminal - if you can find one.  A year ago you
could find 3/50's at about $500 or so with color monitor.  But Sun wants
these puppies out of circulation and has been working hard to get them
turned in for SPARC machines.  So the used 3/xxx market seems to have
shrunk to nothing.  Great if you have one, though - just get the Xkernel
and set it up for remote boot from your host.

One quibble on the DV/X reference.  DV/X cannot run under Windows.  It
can run Windows as a client, but only in Standard mode (not 386 enhanced).
Problem is that MS made Windows in 386 mode a non-compliant DPMI server.

>Dec does sell a product name eXcursion. This is a package giving Xwindows
>functionality under MSWindows.
>I just now the product is there, I do not use it so I cannot give additional
>details.

Don't forget PC-XView for Windows and XVision for Windows.

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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Making big fonts, how to start?
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:47:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: 8 Sep 92 09:09:08 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep8.090908.14293@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <125@trident.datasys.swri.edu>, noren@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Greg Noren) writes:

> I'll end with a hypothetical question on this subject.  Say you were
> to choose one of the commercial fonts in X (adobe, sony, b&h, etc.)
> and scale it up - double size, quadruple size, whatever.  What are
> the legal implications of including the scaled font as part of an X
> client of your own?  I'm speculating the original copyright must stay
> in place in the font.  But what if you surgically alter the bitmaps
> (via "xfed" or whatever you like).  What happens to the copyright
> then?

The resulting font is still a derivative work.  It may or may not be
redistributable; it depends on the restrictions the copyright holder
has imposed.  (If there is any copyright holder, that is; some fonts
are public-domain and hence have no restrictions.)  If you can
redistribute, you usually do have to preserve the original notice; read
it carefully, and if it really makes any difference, go ask a lawyer
who knows copyright law.  (If you can find one who also knows
computers, that's better - and count yourself lucky.)

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: nzhang@umiacs.umd.edu (Ning Zhang)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help Wanted: XView PANEL_MULTILINE_TEXT problem
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:07:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Date: 10 Sep 92 16:18:10 GMT
Message-Id: <60227@mimsy.umd.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look,alt.toolkits.xview

I have a problem with the multi-line text panel in XView. We are
running SUN OS 4.1.1 with Openwin 3.0 (FCS) on SS-2.

I defined the panel in the program as:

   addw_screens[i].panel_item = panel_create_item(
    adw_ptr->addw_panel,    PANEL_MULTILINE_TEXT,
    PANEL_LABEL_X,                  addw_screens[i].panel_label_x,
    PANEL_LABEL_Y,                  addw_screens[i].panel_label_y,
    PANEL_VALUE_X,                  addw_screens[i].panel_item_x,
    PANEL_VALUE_Y,                  addw_screens[i].panel_item_y,
    PANEL_LABEL_STRING,             addw_screens[i].panel_label_string,
    PANEL_VALUE,                    addw_screens[i].panel_value,
    PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH,     addw_screens[i].panel_value_display_length,
    PANEL_VALUE_STORED_LENGTH,          320,
    PANEL_VALUE_FONT,               adw_ptr->textfont,
   0);

I use 

 xv_set(addw_screens[i].panel_item, PANEL_VALUE, "", 0);

to clear the panel and use

 xv_set(addw_screens[i].panel_item, PANEL_VALUE, prtbuf, 0);

to display the text strored in prtbuf. The max. length of the
string stored in the buffer is 160. The panel is used for
displaying text only, no input.

In the beginning, everything is OK when I displayed the text in
the panel. But after awhile, whenever I tried to display a
text, I got a warning panel with the message:

	       Insertion failed
 
	    The memory buffer is full.
 
	If this is an isolated case, you can circumvent
	this condition by undoing the operation you just
	performed, storing the contents of the subwindow
	to a file using the text menu, then redoing
	the operation.  Or, you can enlarge the size
	of this buffer by changing the appropriate value in
	the .Xdefaults file (Text.MaxDocumentSize)
 
And the panel is empty without the text displayed.
 
I had no problem with the PANEL_TEXT. I wonder what is wrong
with the MULTILINE_TEXT panel. Is there any workaround ?

Thanks a lot.

-Ning
From: lccinc!sram@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU (Siddharth Ram)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Conversion of pixmap data to HPGL
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:48:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: LCC Inc., Arlington VA

Date: 10 Sep 92 20:49:25 GMT
Message-Id: <86@hallofjustice.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,alt.sources

Hi. Is anybody aware of a way to convert Pixmap data to HPGL and/or
Calcomp(HCBS) or Versatec formats ? 

I would appreciate any pointers (preferably) emailed to me .
if there is enough interest, i will post a summary

siddharth

uunet!hallofjustice!sram
-- 
uunet!hallofjustice!sram
LCC Inc.
From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Stephen Gildea)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: XDM configuration question
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:34:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9209141749.AA13038@alex.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:49:50 EDT

You can have xdm manage the local display on only some hosts
by using #include in a separate config file.

On the hosts that do not want xdm to manage the local display,
start xdm like this:

xdm -config /usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config-nolocal

The xdm-config-nolocal file looks like this:

DisplayManager.servers:		/dev/null
#include "/usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config"

That is, this config file specifies an empty Xservers file and
then includes the normal config file.

 < Stephen
   MIT X Consortium
From: kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: "Could not get keyboard type" error. What is it?
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:21:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:10:45 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep10.221045.12138@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look

In article <1992Sep10.164303.3264@elvis.sovusa.com> andr@elvis.sovusa.com writes:
>Hi.
>
>Sometimes my cron job generates the following message:
>"could not get keyboard type US keyboard assumed"
>
>SS1+ with SunOS 4.1.1, type-4 keyboard, OpenWindows 3 running.
>
>Any help appreciated,
>               Andrei.

Hard to say exactly, but the Sun keyboard device driver does have a 
"feature" that requires you to wait about 500 msec after changing its 
mode before you can query its type without getting an error.

I usually see this running the MIT sample server on the console with 
xdm and "*terminateServer: True", although the sample server prints a 
different message and abort()s, leaving a nice core file.

-- 

Kaleb Keithley                          kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov

Not authorized, in any way, shape, or form, to speak for anyone.
From: hyunk@seas.smu.edu (Hyun Cheul Kim)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X tool kit questions for beginning g++ user.
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:16:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx

Date: 11 Sep 92 15:57:05 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep11.155705.10617@seas.smu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hello world!

I am just about to begin a x programming project with g++2.2
I would like to use widget that will work best with c++,(ie, something 
like Interview). Is Xolg c++ widget set? If so, are there books on olg
avilable at bookstore? Thank You.
From: jth@world.std.com (Jon Heinly)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Putting together list of widgets
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:40:11 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:16:19 GMT
Message-Id: <Bu1zF8.3qp@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.windows.open-look

I'm trying to put together a comprehensive list of widgets and 
widget sets.  I'm especially interested in anything related to
multi-media.

These are already known about:
  Widget sets  
    Athena, Motif, OLIT, Xcu, Xs, Xw, Xo, Xc, PEXt
  Commercially available widgets
    Xtra, XRT/Graph, ICS databook
  Public Domain
    FWF, Wcl, Dirt, Xbae, Xaw3d, plotter, graph, Graph, dpslabel,
    XcRichText, vimage, file-requestor, Clock
  From books
    Asente/Swick, Young, Berlage, Jerry Smith
  Hiding in computers/corporations but yearn to be free
    ???
  
If you can add to the list, please reply to me.  I'll do a detailed 
post to the net (if enough interest), or mail individually.

Thanking you in advance...
Jon Heinly
jth@world.std.com

(Btw, Snow Crash rules.)
From: casadei@verona.mit.edu (Stefano Casadei)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Simple question from a novice of X (about event handlers)
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:06:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:37:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep8.003725.17438@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.soft-sys.khoros

In an XtAddEventHandler call the address of the event handler function must be
given as an argument, but the arguments to be passed to this event handler can not
be specified in the XtAddEventHandler call, becuase of the C language structure.
Then my question is, how are argument passed to the event handler ?
Is it necessary that in the event handler definition the formal paremeters be
widget, clientData, and event, (in this precise order) ?.

Thank you.
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:01:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Date: 9 Sep 92 17:44:31 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep9.184431.2413@lsl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

> That is one advantage when using a mouse---the left hand is free to do
> other things.

I'm right handed and use my mouse with my left hand. This is so obvious and
yet most right handed people use the mouse with their right hand. This has the
disadvantage that most right handed peoples left hands aren't capable of much
(I just have to look around the office for proof of this) and as such they
dedicate all their time to the mouse. Me? well I can keep my right hand on the
keyboard and manipulate it fine (it's just over the return/cursors/other useful
keys). Whenever I explain this to people they understand but can't be bothered
putting the effort into learning to use a mouse with their left hand (doesn't
take long). I *HAD* to learn - I burnt my right hand with a frying pan a few
years back and wanted to use a computer during my week off work, so I had to
learn to use my left hand, I also learnt to write with my left hand (very
badly). BTW, my mouse is configured for a right handed person so that anyone
(read right handed) can come and use my screen. The converse argument also
applies to left handed people (this sentence included for the nit pickers).

snail@lsl.co.uk      

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