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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Fat Lip "TNG", Sat Aug 1, 8pm, Laney College Oakland
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 04:44:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Fat Lip Readers' Theatre just passed out some flyers for what they
describe as their first performance with a new generation of players.

The performance date given is August 1, Saturday night at 8pm, at
Laney College in Oakland right next door to the Lake Merritt BART station.

Open to All
Sliding Scale $8-15

No one turned away for lack of funds

They request no scents or perfumes for the benefit of those allergic.

The performance is ASL interpreted and is wheelchair accessible.

Child care is available, (510) 653-6468 is given as the contact number,
to be arranged no later than July 28.

The FLiRT (my own acronym for them) has had a place in my heart since
the first contact I had with the fat-positive faction. They have an
expert way of putting their experiences to words: the tears, the anger,
the rising up, the joy, the beauty - which struck deep into my soul the
first time I heard them. For myself, it was like getting a whole intensive
education about what I was getting myself into, in the course of a couple of
hours (after which I stumbled out mentally exhausted, but with a feeling that
I was at least starting to get the picture on a lot of questions which had
piled up in my mind during the teen years). The fat people I know who are
loyal fans tell me it is a wonderful affirmation that they are not alone
with the feelings, the bad ones or the good ones, and that every once in
a while even a veteran of the wars needs to hear the words of revolution
that got them out in the trenches in the first place.

Billed on the flyer as "Fat, feisty women singing, dancing, and speaking
out about being fat in America, provoking you to laughter, tears, and anger!"

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
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From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: personals
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:44:41 GMT

ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro Ernesto Gelabert) writes:

> I am new to this group but not to this subject area.  Without  getting
>too much into  my  personal life can i ask a question which  might have
>come  up before?  (is there an FAQ file?)
> The question is about personals (as in ads)  are they  considered not
>appropriate for posting or are they allowed here?  If they arent is
>there another group which is good for this??  I can't see posting a
>personal on the alt.personals (or whatever  it is called) when looking
>for the special body type that i am (sorry if that sounds
>objectifying but i am and have always been a chaser).
>Thanks for your help

It is fairly obvious to me that you haven't ever read the ads in 
alt.personals.ads.  I would say that 95% of them are looking for a
special body type.

And as is to be expected, not having a lot of success in getting answers.
I for one am not interested in a man whose first criteria is body shape.  I
don't care what body shape he is hung up on, it is degrading and dehumanizing
to be wanted for your body shape not for yourself.

It also seems like a real limiter to be so interested in body shape.  The
one thing sure about most of our bodies is that they will change shape over
time.  I certainly wouldn't be comfortable in a relationship with someone
who was constantly judging my body.  What if my apple shape turned to a
pear shape or vise versa, would he stop loving me?

One thing I can assure you, this group is not the right place for your post.

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
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From: fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie)
Subject: Re: Look at how I used to look when I was fat...
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:17:06 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <brp6m9.eku@wang.com> fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie) writes:
>>Just out of curiosity, have you kept the weight off because of that
>>program?

><Snort>  Are you kidding? :^\   Heavier than ever.

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
I was 333# and went down to 236 back up to 288 now i'm somewhere around 270.
That Opti program IMHO should be *OUTLAWED*.  They are only interested in
two things: 1) Your Money
            2) You don't die as a result of the Program.

If it were not for Karate 3x/week i'd be dead now :-(
Freddie
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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Look at how I used to look when I was fat...
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:02:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>Did you ever try telling them about it?

>Yes, the MDs there didn't seem very interested in hearing my opinions.

Big surprise.

They don't seem to want to show someone how to throw their weight around.
They want to make it into dead weight to reinforce the impetus to disintegrate
it.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Look at how I used to look when I was fat...
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:30:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie) writes:

>If it were not for Karate 3x/week i'd be dead now :-(
>Freddie

Sometimes I wonder why something on the order of Taijiquan hasn't
been considered in any major way. I've been studying that repertoire
myself, and the slow, graceful, grounded style, favoring an intensive
introspective training of coordination over a lot of flashy moves,
and favoring moves lower to the ground than a lot of the more aerial
techniques, would be very well favored to those who would have a high
risk of injury from high impact exercises.

Reports are that the "Huge Extent Fist" (a rough translation of TJQ)
has been the topic of a lot of research recently in geriatric therapy,
with what look to be some very positive results. One wonders whether
it would have some similar results for fat people, especially considering
the imagery of "huge extention" which permeates the development of the
movements.

If I have any say, it will be an avenue that is looked into. Any structured
moving activity that places a lot of emphasis on integrating mind and body
would I think work wonders in a person with a history of mind and body at war.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro Ernesto Gelabert)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: personals
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:01:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU


 I am new to this group but not to this subject area.  Without  getting
too much into  my  personal life can i ask a question which  might have
come  up before?  (is there an FAQ file?)
 The question is about personals (as in ads)  are they  considered not
appropriate for posting or are they allowed here?  If they arent is
there another group which is good for this??  I can't see posting a
personal on the alt.personals (or whatever  it is called) when looking
for the special body type that i am (sorry if that sounds
objectifying but i am and have always been a chaser).
Thanks for your help

-- 
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Omp                                "The way that can be spoken of     /
Gelabert@phoenix.princeton.edu      is not the constant way;"        /
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: personals
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:08:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.151636.21481@smsc.sony.com>:
>One thing I find about myself from some of these ads is that I have the
>"Triple Crown of problems" for a man: I'm fat, bald, and have a beard.

Well, it's a problem for only some men. :-)

If you were gay, you'd have found that "bears" are quite appreciated in
some circles, ESPECIALLY in the Bay Area, and it's not even restricted to
groups of so-called "chubby chasers".  (Ick.)  Which is to say that that
"Triple Crown" isn't dismissed but appreciated as one erotic typology.

On the other hand, it's probably easier to change your belt size
than your sexual preference! :-) :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Look at how I used to look when I was fat...
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:06:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

With regard to the mentions of Optifast.

One NAAFA member in the bay area says that when she went on a round with
the Optifast program, not only did the weight she lose return, but it now has
to be carried on a spine which became "unexplainably" gouted during the
weight loss phase. 

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Fat Lip "TNG", Sat Aug 1, 8pm, Laney College Oakland
Organization: Cicely Public Access Unix, Cicely, AK ;->
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:15:56 GMT

In article <1cfm_3g.avery@netcom.com> avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
>Fat Lip Readers' Theatre just passed out some flyers for what they
>describe as their first performance with a new generation of players.
>
>The performance date given is August 1, Saturday night at 8pm, at
>Laney College in Oakland right next door to the Lake Merritt BART station.

Oh, I'm jealous of those of you who can take advantage of this!!

I read about this group in _Woman of Power_ magazine last year, and they look
fabulous. I wrote to them, but never got a response. Does anyone know if they
have audio or video tapes available, and how to get them? Wonder if we could
get them to to an East Coast tour? :->

Marty

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From: peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel)
Subject: Re: Advantages of being fat
Organization: Public News & Mailserver, Commodore Germany PM UNIX, Frankfurt
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 11:58:03 GMT

stcroix@z.eecs.umich.edu (William C. St.Croix) writes:

> Why is it that *MOST* health care professionals assume that people 
> who are "Overweight" have high blood pressure, high cholesterol
> rapid pulse, etc.  I have just come from a blood drive at a local 
> company.  The nurse that took my blood pressure was astonished that 
> my BP was 130/80 and my pulse was 86.  She said "Oh...but, someone of 
> your size should have a much higher BP.  

Well, but experience/statistics is on her side. I also was never slim
in my life. And when I was 18, I also was tested for blood pressure
and was diagnosed normal. But today, at 41, I have higher pressure
and some cholesterol (not yet alarming, but definitely above average).
So you perhaps have to wait just a little... :-(

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to  \\  Only my personal opinions... 
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
                                   or  peterk@public.sub.org
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: How dead-fasting feels....
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:23:59 GMT
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA


In article <xddmjnf.avery@netcom.com>, avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
|> until I went to Wendy's and binged so hard it would some of y'all stop and
|> stare!

Why "some of y'all"?  (Not that I feel offended, but why not "anyone"?)

I have some (thin) kayaking buddies who almost always eat huge amounts
while we're on kayak trips.  They order two meals' worth of food at
every sitting.

In my case, I can't eat much more than a "normal" meals' worth in
quantity without feeling sick.  I do pretty poorly at all-you-can-eat
places, because all I can eat is a normal amount of food.  My real
problem is that I eat normal amounts of the wrong type of food too
often.

I did try fasting for a couple of days once, but it did nothing more
than make me really cranky and feel even more guilty that I had to
resort to that type of measure.

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Fat Lip "TNG", Sat Aug 1, 8pm, Laney College Oakland
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:24:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:

>Oh, I'm jealous of those of you who can take advantage of this!!

>I read about this group in _Woman of Power_ magazine last year, and they look
>fabulous. I wrote to them, but never got a response. Does anyone know if they
>have audio or video tapes available, and how to get them? Wonder if we could
>get them to to an East Coast tour? :->

Well, as a matter of fact, they do have one video screening I know, it's
called "Nothing to Lose".

It's possible, maybe, that they could be talked into going out East to stage
a showing at a NAAFA National Convention or something of the sort. I'll see
what they say about it.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
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From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: personals
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:16:36 GMT


In article <1992Jul22.220119.5285@Princeton.EDU>, ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro Ernesto Gelabert) writes:
|>  The question is about personals (as in ads)  are they  considered not
|> appropriate for posting or are they allowed here? 

Well, I personally don't have a problem with it, and I wish you all the
success in the world.  I read alt.personals for one day, and decided it
was a real waste of resources.

I have recently become interested in personal ads, which are very
common out here.  There is a TV show dedicated to them on one of the
local channels (KOFY) and a section on the local Classified cable
channel dedicated to personals and pictures.  I tend to be very busy on
weekends, so I don't spend a lot of time looking for a partner (though
if I had a partner, I wouldn't be so hell-bent to be busy on weekends),
and responding to a personal ad seems like it would be an interesting
possibility.  The biggest advantage is that you don't have to speculate
about someone's status based on appearance (particularly the appearance
of the left ring finger).

One thing I find about myself from some of these ads is that I have the
"Triple Crown of problems" for a man: I'm fat, bald, and have a beard.
I hadn't expected that last one to be a problem, but it does seem to be
specified at times.  Still, I wouldn't want someone who considers
any of these to be a major stumbling block in a relationship (though
I have to admit that the last two are pretty high on my list of no-no's
for the perfect woman for me ;-).

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: How dead-fasting feels....
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:30:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:


>In article <xddmjnf.avery@netcom.com>, avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
>|> until I went to Wendy's and binged so hard it would some of y'all stop and
>|> stare!

>Why "some of y'all"?  (Not that I feel offended, but why not "anyone"?)

>I have some (thin) kayaking buddies who almost always eat huge amounts
>while we're on kayak trips.  They order two meals' worth of food at
>every sitting.

Well, outside of this more enlightened faction are "some of y'all" who still
believe the hype, though thankfully these are getting fewer every year.

I'm not nearly as athletic as some of the thin people I see - which is
probably why I weigh even less that they do, lacking the muscle mass that
they have. But I hear all these stories about guys who only dwarf me by
about 20 pounds in muscle who are complete and total monsters at the
meal table. <grin>

>In my case, I can't eat much more than a "normal" meals' worth in
>quantity without feeling sick.  I do pretty poorly at all-you-can-eat
>places, because all I can eat is a normal amount of food.  My real
>problem is that I eat normal amounts of the wrong type of food too
>often.

Yeah, I vary too with this. There are some days I get this paralyzing
headache that makes my stomach tie itself in a knot. Not a feeling I
really like, since I tend to look at my appetite as one of the frontline
indicators of how well my day is going.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: moy@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gloria J. Moy,N.DORM C3,(212)9983456,)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: eighth anniversary of dad's death..
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:45:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


Today is the eighth anniversary of my father's death. I have mixed
feelings about his death. Actually, I had a dream, that my sister had
gone back to the hospital to find out how my dad died and she was given
the run around by the nurses. Then she finally finds a doctor who is
trying to help...-then I woke up.  I'm angry at my dad, but I guess too,
I miss him alot. You know I never had a chance to make peace with him,
and to share (what today are my accomplishments) with him, seeking
his approval-something that I never got from him.

So thats whats happening in my life today.
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: The first step is a lu-lu!
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


I'm posting this here because I'm nowhere near a phone right now. As
soon as I leave here I am going to make a phone call. Lots of them, if
I have to.

Right now I am feeling crazy. I had a bad day, like anyone else would.
But for me, something clicked today, something that triggered years of
anziety and insecurity. Something trivial seems to have nearly driven
me to desperation. 

I wanted a drink today, as I have since my first day of sobriety, but
more than I ever have before. It would have been my cure for
lonliness, and insecurity.  Right now, I feel trapped because I feel
as though I will have a nervous breakdown if I *don't* have a drink,
but I'm afriad I'll eventually have a nervous breakdown if I do have a
drink.

Meanwhile the "voices" ring on, some laughing, some cajoling, and the
loudest of them weeping. There is no corner of my mind I can crawl
into where I can't hear them.  I've tried every thing in my power to
make them shut up, and nothing works. The last time I tried it, not
even alcohol (at least not the amount I had) could shut them up.  My
sorrows have refused to be drowned.  There seems to be nothing I can
do.

Until now, I've had trouble with the first step :"We admitted we were
powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanagable."

I hit that one word 'powerless' like a brick wall, and then I stopped.
I hate the very idea of being powerless, but here I am trapped between
my mind and a bottle, feeling like I'm crawling around on my handsm
and knees like a baby, not knowing what to do. So maybe powerless is
what I am.

I don't know how I feel about God, or HP. I've tried him before, and
he's let me get hurt before. I've spent most of my life controlling
pain. Going to great lengths not to let myself feel any pain, and
eventually unlearning to ability to even cry when I want to (and I
want to now, but I find I cant), because I was afraid once that if I
started I would simply never stop.  And I've never been able to
completely regain trust in anyone who ever hurt me, or let me be hurt.

I'm rambling on and on, but I find myself at the first step now, ready
to admit to myself and others that I have a problem which I am
powerless to fix. 

What do I do now?

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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