HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmw@taurus.ece.cmu.edu (Hank Walker)
Subject: Solution:  Freezing Current Dates
Originator: dmw@taurus.ece.cmu.edu
Reply-To: dmw@ece.cmu.edu
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:02:36 GMT


The solution to have the current date put into a new document and then not
change upon subsequent viewing is:

1. If the date is on the master page, use the Creation Date or Modification
Date (suitably edited to delete the time) variables.

2. If the date is not on a body page, use the Modification Date.

Thanks to all who responded.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: charb@Cadence.COM (Sue Charbonneau)
Subject: Can anyone merge FM files?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:06:45 GMT

Does anyone have a script to merge
FrameMaker files? For example, I'd
like to merge a large number of 1 to 5 page
files that other people will be working
on into a large reference manual.

Solutions that require manipulations
via UI forms or cut and paste procedures
would not be helpful. I need some sort 
of automatic generation via scripts or 
some sort of automatic importing.


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From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Printing quadruple-sided...
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:31:46 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <1992Jul22.214154.14552@unidata.com> uso01@unidata.com (Steven Owens) writes:
<
<	I've been having some trouble with master pages.  I set up a
<left and right master page, mirrors of each other (each page has a
<wide column, and a thin column on the "outside"
< edge for comments, etc).  When a new left page is created it 
<seems  to use most of the formatting from the left master page,
<i.e. graphics, headers, footers, but the two main text frames
<are out of place.  Reapplying the left master page does not
<fix the problem.  Any ideas?

Just a quick check, look at the master page, select the text frame and look
to see if autoconnect is turned on and that it is part of a flow, i.e., the
letter A is there for the flow.

Just a thought.  Check the simple thing first.
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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: MS word -> Frame...how ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:55:32 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul24.065621.26539@cs.utwente.nl> skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek  
Skowronek) writes:
> In article F69BoB4w164w@grafex.cupertino.ca.us, steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us  
(Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
> 
> >Piece of cake.  Start Frame, then open the MS Word document.  FM3 on the Mac
> >has a superior Word2mif filter.  FM will filter your Word doc then open it
> >as a Maker doc.  Be advised that the paragraph tags are picked up from the
> >Word doc, so you may have to tweak and twiddle these.
> >
> >steve
> 
> Does this apply also to Sun Framemaker 3?
> 
> Jacek

I'm almost certain that virtually no filters are included with Sun FrameMaker.  
FrameMaker sells a separate filter package, as does BlueBerry software.

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From: John Wilkins <john@publications.ccc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Re: FM-Word/WP filters
Organization: Monash University, Melbourne Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:12:05 GMT

In article <EeR40lO00UhW44UoYP@andrew.cmu.edu> William Earl Hefley,
wh0i+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>I'm running Frame 3.0 on a Mac. Does anyone know where I can find a
>reliable way to convert FrameMaker documents to either Microsoft Word
(RTF is
>preferred) or WordPerfect formats?
> 

We do it in 2 ways:

1. Use the MacLink/PC v 6 filters with MLPC, not through XTND access (the
MLPC filters create an intermediate file, and crash often when used with
XTND)

2. Learn MIF, and write a macro in Nisus or some other grep-like word
processing environment to convert to a Word format. If you want to create
an RTF file, then the MIF to RTF conversion ought to be relatively easy.
We use Nisus to convert the MIF commands to ordinary word processing
formats, and save the resulting file in Word format. We haven't got far
enough to convert footnotes yet, but that is on the way.

Our Nisus macro, written by the Monash Senior Publications Officer Tim
Mansour, is a wonderful piece of programming. It also has routines to
convert an MML-like metafile we use here to MIF, which we import into FM
template documents.

John Wilkins, Manager
Publishing & Advertising Unit
Monash University
Melbourne Australia
Fax (+613) 573 2729
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Can anyone merge FM files?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:08:15 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.200645.6542@Cadence.COM> charb@Cadence.COM (Sue  
Charbonneau) writes:
> Does anyone have a script to merge
> FrameMaker files? For example, I'd
> like to merge a large number of 1 to 5 page
> files that other people will be working
> on into a large reference manual.
> 
> Solutions that require manipulations
> via UI forms or cut and paste procedures
> would not be helpful. I need some sort 
> of automatic generation via scripts or 
> some sort of automatic importing.

Why not just define the small files as parts of a book? Then generate the book  
to paginate the files into a large reference manual.

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Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:28:01 -0400 
From: William Earl Hefley <wh0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: FM-Word/WP filters


I'm running Frame 3.0 on a Mac. Does anyone know where I can find a
reliable way to convert FrameMaker documents to either Microsoft Word (RTF is
preferred) or WordPerfect formats?
 
Thanks. 
   bill hefley
   wh0i@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:12:29 -0400 
From: Bill_Chiles@transarc.com
Subject: Device tty?

Does anyone know how to get FrameMaker to dump reasonable "text only" files?
The problem is that they literally dump text only in left justified
line-oriented packets.  I expected them to do something like Scribe's tty
device compilation where the text adheres roughly to the formatting
directives.  For example, the following simple rules would help me a lot:
   1] Centered text could be centered in 80 columns (should be set'able).
   2] Indented formats should be indented.  Pixel and linear units should be
      roughly translated into fixed point characters offsets.
   3] Bulleted lists should be indented and bulleted with hyphens or small
      o's.  Pixel and linear units should be roughly translated into fixed
      point characters offsets.
   4] Enumerated lists should be indented and numbered.  Pixel and linear
      units should be roughly translated into fixed point characters
      offsets.
   5] Paragraphs should be filled (not justified) within 80 columns (should
      be set'able).  The text should be right justified if the paragraph
      format specifies such.  The text should be initially indented or fully
      indented according to the format.  Pixel and linear units should be
      roughly translated into fixed point characters offsets.

Is there an MIF utility that takes MIF files to text files according to the
above concepts?

Basically, I want to be able to dump FrameMaker text files that roughly look
like I'd formatted them in some ASCII file using something like gnu-emacs.
Then I'd be able to ship lists, datafiles, specs, recipes, etc. to people on
the Internet.  With the output FrameMaker gives me now, information is lost
due to lost reverse indents and the like.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Otherwise, I could start learning
MIF and hack up something to do this.  In that case, anyone have any MIF
parsers written in C or Lisp, preferably that run in Think C or MACL.

Bill
From: russ@druhi.ATT.COM (RauhauserR)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Troff vs FrameMaker Productivity
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:37:32 GMT


Has anyone collected hard data on how much more "productive" a
writer is with FrameMaker as opposed to troff?

Even if you're lacking hard data, but do have experience in this
area, I wonder if you'd be willing to offer an estimated figure
for productivity increase?  Any input, using any basis of
reasoning, would be gratefully appreciated.

Please send responses directly to:

	   russ@druhi.att.com

Thanks,

Russ Rauhauser
From: caughey@farad.UVic.CA (Dave  Caughey)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: There's *got* to be a better way!
Keywords: FrameMath
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:00:29 GMT
Reply-To: caughey@farad.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

Two problems I've noted about the FrameMath package:

1.  Quite often I want to show derivations or proofs in my papers.  This
requires me to enter a lot of equations of the form

	left_hand_side	= right_hand_side#1
			= right_hand_side#2
			= right_hand_side#3

where all the equals signs are lined up.  A related scenario has a long
expression spread across multiple lines, with operators lined up with the
initial equal sign

	left_hand_side	= component#1
			+ component#2


According to the FrameMath manual, it proposes a method of doing this
(the instructions take 3 pages!), which consists of creating multiple
equations modifying the alignment properties, merging them into one
frame, zooming to 400% and *manually* positioning them in 1 or 6pt
increments, iteratively verifying correct alignment by using a vertical
line!

Pardon?  A good-sized paper may have up to 100 equations in it!

Does anyone know of an easier method of doing this? (with macros,
perhaps?  parallel frames?)

2.  Shrink-wrapping an equation shrinks things too much.  Quite often
(80% of the time?) part of a complex expression is hidden after
shrinking, such as the upper or lower bounds of a summation or
integral.  Having to manually resize each equation's frame seems a
little inefficient...  Is the shrinkage border a settable option?

Thanks for any hints, advice, etc...
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                      			University of Victoria		  
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jjm@zycor.lgc.com ()
Subject: Ventura Publisher --> FrameMaker ?
Originator: jjm@oasis.zycor.lgc.com
Organization: Landmark/Zycor  (Austin TX)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:16:16 GMT

This has probably been asked a number of times, but I didn't
see any FAQ list in the forum, so....

Anyone have a convenient way of migrating files from Ventura Publisher
(PC) to FrameMaker?

I _really_ don't want to have to write some half-(or less) assed
sed/awk script to translate the ventura coded ASCII to MIF.

Even if you have something that's non-generic, I'd love to see it
(as a guideline for estimating & reducing my time to build a similar one).

Email would be appreciated, unless it's something common & useful enough
to share with net.everybody.


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From: davidr@rookie.cadence.com (Dave Rich; x6337)
Subject: Re: Obtain summary of fonts/paragraph formats?
Reply-To: davidr@rookie.cadence.com (Dave Rich; x6337)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:35:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.161344.16156@col.hp.com>, bae@hplsdll.col.hp.com (Bruce Erickson) writes:
|> Is there anyway to obtain a summary of fonts used and/or paragraph
|> formats used from Frame?  Yes, I know you can get a list of paragraphs
|> used, but I was looking for something like:
|>    
|>    paragraph format name: font size/font type/leading space/ ......
|> 
|> Sometimes I change fonts/etc. by mistake, and my eyes aren't good enough
|> to catch those changes until I print it out....
|> 
|> 
|>                   Thanks!
|>                   - Bruce Erickson
|>                      Hewlett Packard
|>                      bae@col.hp.com

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You can save the file as a MIF file and take the paragraph catalog
from there. I thought there was a way to filter MIF output, but I can't
remember how to do it. You can always open up a blank document, and use
"formats from" to select just the paragraph catalog, then save that
as a MIF file.

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Dave Rich	tele 1-508-934-0337 email davidr@cadence.com
Cadence Design,	2 Lowell Research Ctr., Lowell MA 01852-4995
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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Troff vs FrameMaker Productivity
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:11:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <HAMM.92Jul22094612@toto.austoto.sps.mot.com>  
hamm@austoto.sps.mot.com (Steve Hamm) writes:
> 
>Lest I be misconstrued, there is
> no doubt that WYSIWYG is more productive for advertising
> layout, for pictures, and anytime form is more important
> than content.

Yes, if the content is text, and if readers will be just as happy no matter how  
it's formatted, you can't beat an all-text environment. WYSIWYG can be a real  
waste - and add a lot of complexity - in that case.

The idea of tossing everything into a GUI when the terminal ends up just used  
as a vt-100 emulator has always struck me as an incredible waste. WYSE  
terminals could replace half the GUIs in use.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: shai@mcil.comm.mot.com (Shai Hanani)
Subject: Rotating a graphic image
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:01:44 GMT

In Frame ver. 3.0 it is possible to rotate lines, rectangles, polylines,
polygons and freehand curves, using the mouse (control-r g i) or the dialog
box (control-r g x), or the 90 degrees rotate button. It is said in the
manual that grouped objects can't be rotated using the mouse.
Does any one know of a way to rotate graphic or grouped objects in "fine"
angles (other then 90 degrees multiples)?

Thanks,

Shai Hanani
Motorola Communication Ltd. Israel
shai@mcil.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mac@dwaihir.cadlab.de (Martin Cordsmeier)
Subject: Re: Putting Draft in the background...
Keywords: DRAFT, FAQ, 4
Organization: Cadlab
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:15:41 GMT

Hello

In article <1992Jul29.141309.3557@sunbim.be>, jdb@sunbim.be (Jurgen Debedts) writes:
|> These goes out to the Postscript wizards out there:
|> In the FAQ mailing question 4 indicated a way to add the DRAFT marking to 
|> a document. Well now. I tested this, and I got some starnge results. I was 

|> What Happened: When I include the solution, the word DRAFT appears on my
|> document, so I can see it on my screen. But when printing this document, 
|> DRAFT dissapears, just as if it wasn't there. 

[stuffdeleted]

I have the same problem on a Sparc running SunOS 4.1.1, X11R4 and Motif 1.1.2 
with Framemaker 3.0X. The word DRAFT does not appear on the screen (OK, I have 
no display postscript.) But it does not appear on the printed document. 
The postscript code  for the word DRAFT is not part of the postscript file 
when printing to a file.  (grep DRAFT test.ps) 

Is there something wrong with the description in the FAQ? Or what might be
the problem.

Martin

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Do you use Frame for slides as well?
Reply-To: jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 07:36:43 GMT

steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

>I am giving a class next week using overheads created with FrameMaker.  The
>overheads are in color.  I printed them out on a color PostScript printer
>directly on the transparency medium.  Beautiful.  One of the nice things
>about FM is that you can print the files two to a page (or more) for
>handouts.

>Any color printer than can handle color PostScript can do the job.  Save
>the files as PS and then send them to the printer.  Check with your local
>slide making company and see if they can handle color PS.

Yep, colour foregrounds aren't a problem. The problem is getting a coloured
_background_ working properly, for white/yellow on blue slides for example.
Most imported graphics will be black on white (_not_ transparent) backgrounds,
and require manual hacking.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Subject: Re: MS word -> Frame...how ?
Reply-To: skow@cs.utwente.nl
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:56:21 GMT

In article F69BoB4w164w@grafex.cupertino.ca.us, steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

>Piece of cake.  Start Frame, then open the MS Word document.  FM3 on the Mac
>has a superior Word2mif filter.  FM will filter your Word doc then open it
>as a Maker doc.  Be advised that the paragraph tags are picked up from the
>Word doc, so you may have to tweak and twiddle these.
>
>steve

Does this apply also to Sun Framemaker 3?

Jacek

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: franks@bullwinkle.rtp.dg.com (Alan Franks)
Subject: Importing CalComp 960 data into FrameMaker 3.1
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:37:43 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: filterpak, calcomp

I've been trying to verify that our c960tomif and c960toepsi filters are
working correctly (both are part of the Frame FilterPak, v3.0, for X platforms),
but can't seem to find any test data.  Does anyone out there have any
CalComp 960 files they would like to donate to my cause, or perhaps someone
could tell me of any DOS or UNIX apps that generate CalComp 960 format?

thanks!
-alan

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: *** HELP !!! *** Need to type a `tab' in a table cell
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:38:48 GMT

I have a table cell paragraph format (that is, a paragraph format
I use only in the cell of a table) that contains tabs, which I want
to use. But I cannot type a tab character, since the tab key moves
me over to the next cell. Any suggestions would be gratefully
acknowledge publicly.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: clarke@mahakala.corp.sgi.com (David Clarke)
Subject: Two columns, one flow
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:25:46 GMT

NOTE:  this should be interesting to anyone following the troff vs frame discussion.
I believe this may be one area where troff has a better answer.

--------------------------------------------------------------

One of the templates we use has figures in a side column to the left of the main
text flow.  The figure and the caption are in frames that are anchored to the main
text flow.  I've set up the autonumbering so that in-line and side bar figures number
sequentially.  So far, so good.

Now we're trying to translate our docs into SGML.  I figured that the side figures wouldn't
pose a problem.  If Frame is smart enough to recognize a sequence of autonumbered para-
graphs, then it ought to contain enough info to place the text from those paragraphs in 
sequence in the MIF file and we could just pick up the text as part of the main flow.  The 
problem is that the side figure captions don't pass through because they're not part of the 
main text flow.  The *anchors* are, but the *text* is not.  Just for laughs, I tried to ouput
to ASCII, using Save As to see where these side captions showed up.  They came out at the 
head of the file, autonumbers and all.

So the problem now is to find a way to integrate these side captions into the main text flow,
without involving alot of hand work.  My best try so far is to place the caption following
the paragraph I want it to appear next to.  Then I apply a FigTitleMargin paratag that
moves the text beyond the left margin of the main flow and gives it a huge negative
Space Above. For the "preceding" paragraph, I change the Space Below to a negative 
number based on the number of lines in the caption (-11pts per line).  This puts the 
last lines of the two paragraphs in the same vertical position.

I can set the default Space Above for FigTitleMargin to something like -100pts, so that
the space between the two paragraphs is governed by the Space Below of the preceding
paragraph.  The problem is that I have to set the Space Below for this preceding paragraph
based on the number of lines in the caption, and no matter what I set it to it varies from the 
default for that tag so when I apply a Use Formats I'd lose that custom spacing.

Has anyone come up with a better way to do this using *one* flow?  I'd really like something
that would avoid custom tagging and just use defaults of standard template tags.

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Production Editor
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