From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Community
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 22:25:31 GMT

In article <9208222102.AA29981@otter.hpl.hp.com> rw@HPLB.HPL.HP.COM
(Russil Wvong) writes:
>...
>Although the Singaporean Chinese are ethnically Chinese, they are not
>*interchangeable* with people from China or Taiwan.

It's interesting to note the term used by Mr. Wvong:  Singaporean Chinese.
That term is similar to Hong Kong Chinese.

It bears a contextual difference from Chinese-American but does
resemble American-Chinese.  We know what a Chinese-American is.
But what is an American-Chinese?  I've met some.  They are Chinese-ge
and consider their motherland to be China, not the United States
of America.

>  It is irrational
>for you to treat them as though they were.

As long Chinese-cu baboons insist that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge, I'll
treat them in that way.  I.e. once you're Chinese-ge, you are also
Chinese-cu.

I should clarify this.  I shall treat people who are Chinese-cu &
concurrently Chinese-ge in this way since those twits believe that
Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge.

>In particular, it is
>irrational for you to attack them for the Chinese crimes against humanity
>listed above, or for China's participation in the Korean War.

We agree on something.

Note that Chinese-cu baboons insist on 2 types of apologies for WWII:
(1) one from the Japanese-ge and (2) one from the Japanese-cu gov't.
Look closely at what the Chinese-cu post.

Anyhow, with regard to #1, the specific Japanese responsible
for the atrocities are almost all dead.  So, as long as the
Chinese-cu baboons demand an apology from the Japanese-ge than
the Chinese-cu should demand an apology from the Chinese-ge, 
no matter where they live.

(Note that the demand among the Chinese-cu for #1 is more popular than
the demand for the #2 apology.)

With regard to #2, the Japanese gov't responsible for the war atrocities
no longer exists.  That military gov't was dismantled by the American
military.  So, as long as the Chinese-cu baboons demand an apology
from the current Japanese-cu gov't than the Chinese-cu should demand an apology
from all 3 Chinese-cu gov'ts:  the ones from Singapore, the
Republic of China (currently suppressing the Republic of Taiwan), and
the People's Republic of China.  Interestingly enough, the Chinese-cu
gov'ts responsible for their atrocities (against Chinese-ge, 
Taiwanese-ge, and Tibetans-ge) are actually still in existence,
unlike the former Japanese-cu gov't that has long been dismantled out
of existence by the Americans.

>
>In fact, it may be the "Chinese-cu" paradigm -- which is itself only a
>slightly modified version of the "Chinese ethnicity = Chinese culture"
>paradigm that you dislike so much -- that is causing the confusion.
>This paradigm only distinguishes between fully assimilated Chinese-Americans
>and "all other Chinese"; it assumes that any Chinese who have not assimilated
>into another culture can be lumped together and treated interchangeably.
>This isn't true.

But since the Chinese-cu savages think in this racist and bigotted way,
I'll use their reasoning against them.  So, the savages want an
apology from the Japanese.  Okay.  Then, the Chinese in Asia should
also apologize for their crimes.

>...
>They consider themselves Singaporean Chinese.

Yeah.  Just like American-Chinese.

>...
>Uh, Dwight.  The Americans were backing Chiang and the Nationalists
>against Mao and the Communists.  The "Chinese" who participated in
>the Korean War were the Communists, of course.  Again, you're trying
>to simplify things too much by considering "the Chinese" as a single
>indivisible entity.

I'm only using the reasoning of the Chinese-cu baboons.  They
say that they are thusly.  They insist that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu.
They insist that China is the mother land of all Chinese-ge.  Okay.

But I _am_ at liberty to apply their reasoning to the baboons _themselves_.
So, if they insist on an apology from the Japanese, then I'll insist
that they insist on an apology from the Chinese for their atrocities.

>
>You've also been trying very hard to disassociate yourself from the
>Chinese people.

This, of course, does not indicate whether I am Chinese-ge or not
or even whether I am Asian(-ge)-American or not.  I've never indicated
my ethnicity.

I've also never said that I wanted to "disassociate myself from the 
Chinese people."

>  I respect your right to do that, but please try not
>to attack Chinese people indiscriminately, the way you've been doing
>in this last thread.

I've never attacked Chinese-ge children.  Please find a single
post, just _one_, where I have attacked Chinese-ge children.

I, unlike the Chinese-cu baboons, could _never_ strangle an infant
girl--which is basically what happens in many homes in China.

>We're no less human than anyone else, and deserve
>no less respect than anyone else.

Chinese-ge, maybe.

Chinese-cu, never.

>
>Best regards,
>Russil
>(second-generation Chinese-Canadian; parents from Singapore and Malaysia)

Have a nice day.

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