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From: landay+@CS.CMU.EDU (James A Landay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:43:14 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <22993@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
|> 
|>  It would be a small miracle for the Pac-10 to get 2 teams into the sweet
|> sixteen this season. Cal is probably the pick to win the conference but
|> I can't see them going far in the tourney. UCLA is more or less up in the
|> air but with a good draw might make it, ASU is a joke, OSU has an outside shot
|> to make the tourney but an even better chance of getting out quickly, and
|> Arizona is likely to be seeded lower than they have in quite some time. 

Nice try Gary.  No way!  Cal sucks... Bunch of raw recruits... This
Kidd guy is just that, a kid. They will be lucky to make the NIT.
Look for Arizona to continue their dominance in the Pac 10.

-- 

James A. Landay
landay@cs.cmu.edu
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Faulkner to Cincy?
Organization: t.b
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:22:24 GMT

matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> Today's LA Times (10/1) had a long article on Arizona State "Athletics".

     Fuck you and you sneer quotes, Matthew.

     You insult hundreds of student athletes who
are a credit to the university for the sins of a few
bad apples.

     There's problems with college athletics in general.
They have been documented at many universities across
the country over the past several years, and I'm sure
many more never come to light.  And if you think ucla is
somehow above it all you're very naive.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:49:14 GMT

In article <5646@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.164811.12415@dg-rtp.dg.com>, foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:
>>Looks like a double-edged sword for Dookies. They got a good one in
>>Joey Beard but now have no real shot at Jerry Stackhouse. I don't think
>>this will hurt Duke that much but I'd still take Stackhouse over 
>>any kid (regardless of position) in a minute.
>
>Certainly.  It now looks like Florida State might be his choice, although
>FSU is already overflowing with wings.  It would make the most sense for him
>to go to NC State, but these sort of things rarely make sense.  

I didn't realize that NCSU was considered to be still in the running.  The
rumor (as I have heard it from several sources -- including this one) is
that he is/was looking at Duke, UNC, and FSU.  

I sure would like to see him with a Tarheel uniform on next year!!!

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: brule@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Mark R. Brule)
Subject: Re: Billy McCaffrey
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 11:57:20 EDT

In article <1992Sep24.162412.17277@newstand.syr.edu> mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley) writes:
>
>    This got me thinking, so here's a list of players I remembered
>off the top of my head in the last 6 years (maybe 7, I forget)
>
>Player                   School
>------                   ------
>? (big white stiff)	 Washington

The 'big white stiff' was Richard Manning, and I'd hardly call him a stiff.
He had a smooth set of offensive skills but was a little soft defensively
for the Big East (translation: he wasn't a wrestler :.  He wanted more playing
time and wasn't seeing it fast enough.  Most people I knew of in Syracuse were
unhappy when Rich left.

>Michael Brown		 ?

Clemson maybe?  Did he ever graduate?  Anyone from ACC territory out there
that can elaborate?

Mark

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.140815.20940@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> ryan@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
>
>> 1. Michigan				21. Cincinnati
>> 2. Duke    :)			22. UConn
>> 3. Indiana :)			23. Wake Forest
>> 4. Kentucky				24. Iowa
>> 5. Kansas				25. Michigan State
>> 6. North Carolina			26. Alabama
>> 7. Seton Hall			27. Tulane
>> 8. Florida				28. Arizona State
>     ^^^^^^^
>> 9. Arizona				29. Georgia
>>10. Memphis State			30. Oklahoma State
>>11. Ohio State			31. Nebraska
>>12. Syracuse				32. BYU
>>13. UNLV				33. Texas
>>14. Georgetown			34. Iowa State
>>15. Arkansas				35. Purdue
>>16. Louisville			36. St. John's
>>17. Georgia Tech			37. Virginia
>>18. UCLA				38. Tennessee
>>19. Oklahoma				39. Florida
>                                            ^^^^^^^
>>20. UMASS!!! (tm)			40. Temple
>
>I'm assuming that #8 is actually Florida State.  There's a *little*
>difference between the two schools.  :-)
>
My apologies again (haven't gotten enough sleep this week). No. 8 on this
poll is Florida State. Also, Chuck Evans was listed as going to Mississippi 
State.

I've gotten a lot of mail concerning the women's poll, so I'll be posting
that later this week.

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Basketball Digest: PAC-10 Predictions
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:38:02 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <56382@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Kevin Madden on the other hand was at UNC for at least a decade.

What about Alonzo Mourning, who I'm sure was Patrick Ewing's and possibly
Bill Russell's mentor?  For the past five years, he's been mentioned
as a possible draft pick.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:57:39 GMT

In article <BvoFxC.1M1@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.005218.24115@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> Christopher S. Erwin 
>writes:
>>> In article <Bvo2AJ.98u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> I write:
>>> >On October 13, the 1992-93 edition of NCAA Preview Magazine will hit the
>>> >newsstands.  The IDS received a complimentary copy of this through the mail
>>
>>This magazine has been on the stands at Purdue's magazine shops for
>>nearly two weeks.  I bought my copy last Tuseday.  The coverage is
>>pretty good for the most part, but there are some errors, particularly
>>in the Big-## section.  I really can't say for the rest of the 
>>conferences, but I do know that Ian Stanback and Chris Webber are
>>definitely not centers.
>
>Damn. According to the press release they sent us, it wouldn't hit the shelves
>until the 13th.  I guess I shouldn't trust a publication that thinks Webber
>plays center.  :)
>
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Actually, Webber can play center.  At 6'9", Webber's as tall as starting 
center Juwan Howard.  In the starting lineup, and through most of the 
games, Webber's a forward.  Why the NCAA mag would rate him as a 
center though is anyone's guess.  Maybe they know something that 
Steve Fisher doesn't.  ;)
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:32:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1S1-N8@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>I nominate Michigan's Chrysler Arena as being one of the wimpiest
>arenas around. The fans (the ones who are not students) are sooooo
>lame. They sit (not stand like DUKE fans) and rarely clap or get
>into the game.....
>
   You gotta include the Bradley Center and Marquette with this one. It's
   like a morgue there. I'd much rather see a team play at the MECCA.

   --salty
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 13:51:25 CDT
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
 <5735@news.duke.edu>,<718033839@termite.cs.duke.edu> <5739@news.duke.edu>

In article <5739@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) says:
>
>    [stuff deleted]
> I agree that he is not an "instinctive" point guard.  But he plays under
>control and doesn't make many mistakes.  I think he's better than say, Quin
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Snyder was.  His big flaw is that he slows down Duke's break too much with
 ^^^^^^^^^^
Come on -- talk about faint praise.  8-)

>his style.  But I think he's a fine half-court style point.

I have a lot of respect for the Duke summaries/evaluations you post, Rob,
but I hope that you're wrong about G. Hill playing a lot of point his
senior year.  I think that he's much more of an asset on offence when he's
playing one of the forward spots.  This would be ture, IMHO, even if he
gets to be a decent (or ever) shooter from 3-point land.  Give Collins a
chance, at least.  I have no (well, little) doubt that the "gunning" behavior
behavior you've described in the Card Gym games will be squashed soon after
the coaching staff gets a shot at him, if not before.  I agree that he'll
probably be better as the 2-guard, though.  If not Collins at the point in
'93-94, well, freshmen tend to grow-up fast in the ACC, especially if they
get a lot of playing time.

And, yes, a lot of wishful thinking probably went into the above...

  -- Chuck Amsler
     Duke Blue Devil '80      UNCW Seahawk '83         UCSB Gaucho '89
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From: GRS00010@APPSTATE.EDU (Shannon R. Adams)
Subject: Duke breaks out strong recruits
Organization: Appalachian State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:10:04 GMT
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     The following is taken from the October 1 issue of Charlotte Observer.  Of
course, I did not get their permission.
     
     Although the early signing period for basketball recruits is still more
than a month away, Duke, LSU (Yeah Pinhead!), and Indiana have already gotten a
jump start on the rest of the country with outstanding classes.
     
     When Duke picked up Joey Beard last week to go with Greg Newton and Jeff
Capel, it assured itself of another blockbuster class.  They may be out of the
Jerry Stackhouse sweepstakes, but it probably doesn't matter with what they've
got coming to Durham next year.  It's possible Duke could add another player.

     LSU has the backcourt of the future with UNC heartbreaker Randy Livingston
and Ronnie Henderson, perhaps the two best guards in this year's class. . .
"It's a strong class," said Bob Gibbons.  "There's a larger than usual number
of big guys this year.  I'd rate it about as strong as the 1988 class that
included Mourning, Roberts, and Billy Owens."
     
     With Duke's class in place, attention has shifted to UNC, which has three
main targets.  The Tar Heels are interested in Stackhouse, Jeff McInnis, and
Rasheed Wallace, perhaps the top big man prospect this year.

     NC State would dearly love to have Stackhouse and/or  McInnis to go along
with the strong group of players it brought in last season.  It is no secret
those two players have been the primary targets of Les Robinson and his staff
although there are other possibilities, including shooter Chris Kingsbury of
Ontario.
     
     Wake Forest is involved with several players, including guard Ray Allen of
South Carolina, even though the Deacs apparently have one scholarship available
next season.  The possibility of Rodney Rogers leaving after this season  could
free another spot, which may be why the Deacs are also after forward Roshown
McLeod of Jersey City and Donnell Williams of Bayonne, N.J.
     
     Clemson has cut out off-campus recruiting as a self-imposed punishment for
past recruiting irregularities that are currently under review by the NCAA. 
Clemson is doing all of its recruiting over the phone and may get Desi McQueen
back from Chipola Junior College (Fla.).
     


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From: WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: TOP RECRUIT TO U.OF CINCINNATI
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:36:46 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1ad80mINN2e9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(David Moore) says:
>
>Local news reported tonight that Dontonio Wingfield has verbally
>committed to the University of Cincinnati. Most recruiting lists
>have him listed in the top 5 or 10 in the nation.
 
The Cincinnati Enquirer also says that he will probably have some
serious problems making grades."He has yet to take the college
entrance exam and is already talking about leaving UC early to
turn pro."According to Bob Gibbons, of All-Star Sports magazine,
"If the kid ever plays there, and that's a big if, he could
be the best player since Oscar Robertson." Even his coach at
Westover High School, Willie Boston says that he must upgrade
his academics.
 
Sounds to me, at best, that this kid will be Prop 48.
 
Bill Lack
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:14:48 GMT

ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl) writes:

>KU is good at losing games they should at least win. In 1990, they lost to
>UCLA when picked to win, 91, no one expected them to go as far as the final
>4, they lost to Duke in the Finals. This year in the NCAA, look who they lost.
>I mean, UTEP is a good team no doubt, but did you notice this game wasn't even
>as close as it should have been? They choke when it's time to win.
>If they're really ranked that high, watch out, i would think they may lose 
>some early games...

	While KU might have lost some big games in recent years -- one only
	has to go back to 1986, when they were highly ranked -- and made it
	to the Final 4.  That team featured Manning, Dreiling, Kellogg,
	Thompson, and Hunter as the starting 5 -- and lost a close game
	to Duke while bowing out in Dallas.  They were ranked #2 in the polls
	that season...

	Jazzy J
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:33:17 CDT

In article <1S1-N8@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>I nominate Michigan's Chrysler Arena as being one of the wimpiest
>arenas around. The fans (the ones who are not students) are sooooo
>lame. They sit (not stand like DUKE fans) and rarely clap or get
>into the game.....

I agree wholeheartedly.  Purdue has won there three years in a row.

>They are improving though. The student section was moved behind
>the teams and things got a bit louder.

Ah.  At least Fisher acknowledges the fact that there are students there.

>Too bad student tickets are going to be near impossible to get this
>year! 

Do they split the games, or do a limited number of students get to see all
the games?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Recruiting News Here and There
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:12:17 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jeffrey N. Burch writes:
>
>Considering the UK weakness at center, I'd have thought he'd have 
>"stockpiled" as many good players there as he could get his hands on.
>Everyone keeps saying that McCarty and Dent are fine players, but Dent
>is new and McCarty won't play until next year, so I'd still like to see
>the Wildcats land a world-class center.

I'll go out on a limb and predict great things for McCarty. He'll
be the real star of the current recruiting class. Also (gazes deeply
into one of those little shake-the-snow crystal balls) Jared Pricett
will be a 2nd tier star: he apparently chose between UK and 
Notre Dame -- 2 former pro coaches. Barring injury, I don't think
UK will be hurting anywhere for awhile...except this year at point.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Maui Classics and Pitinoisms
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:55:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct2.145537.4486
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Oct2.162401.10454@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>
> Sheesh, first Bobby Knight and now PItino. But I guess that proves the old
>adage: "Wisdom comes with age".  ;)

Sure, they've both figured out that the usually-inept Dale Brown is even
more inept when you compliment him.  After seeing Knight do it in the
NCAA's, Pitino figured this out and realized that complimenting Dale would
give Kentucky two sure victories (if not 3) in the SEC next year.  I'm
surprised you didn't figure that out, Dr. J.
-- 

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Sep29.121959.22440
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

The toughest place to play, formerly, has to have been UK's  Memorial
Colliseum. Why? you ask. We paid the refs top dollar. We had mega-watt 
amplifiers palpating the opponents players with ultra-low sound vibrations. 
We put nematocysts in their showers. We had the hotels in the area put
damp sheets on the visitor's beds the night before. We employed
a number of  compressed air companies to work in the overhead strut
work to divert opponents shots. We brought in a number of cardboard
cut outs of alumni and boosters to distract the opponents by the
half of the arena which remained spookily uninvolved. We put small
amounts of strychnine in the student section's soft drinks to
put a nerve-searing edge to their screaming. And, finally, there was 
the trick floor which our coaches manipulated through a rolled
up game program. (You can see this happening in old film from the
era.)  Tough place to play. Especially when UK's crack support 
staff would forget which team was the home team and reversed these 
tricks -- putting up card board cut outs of the student section
was particularly unnerving for the Wildcats, several of whom
upon seeing 2 dimensional portraits of people they recognized
would begin a pitiful, wordless crooning which could only
be stopped by large doses of Thorazine, Ovaltine, and cash. 
But it didn't happen that often and UK did manage to win a few
games there.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Originator: jagreath@c00055-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:19:17 GMT


In article <joep.718333597@angelo>, joep@angelo.amd.com (Joseph Pawletko) writes:

|>>1) Cameron Indoor Stadium (much as I hate to say it)
|>>2) Allen Fieldhouse
|>>3) Dean Dome

|>NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It doesn't house the Whine and Cheese crowd
|>for nothing.  They ought to put the students down by the court, and let
|>the older, less enthusiastic fans sit higher up.   
|>But I guess that wouldn't be as financially rewarding.....

What? Put the students at courtside? That's only something done at arenas
where the university cares about student participation in the games.  Like
New Mexico, NC State, Duke, New Mexico State, UNLV...

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|>arm-chair point guard	|
|>playground hack		|
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|>These opinions are my own. 

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From: gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Grady W Chism)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:15:36 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

Rashard will be in Columbus this weekend. The local sports guru on radio listed
four schools on his list with Michigan added to those (Cheese U.,Perdoom and 
TOSU) you mentioned. Since they played a part of an interview tape, I expect 
there is a reasonable chance that Rashard told them that these were in the 
running. We need a big man.
Do you think it will matter if the football Bucks loose to the Fighting 
Whinee's  this weekend?
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