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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: I-AA Playoff Results
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:46:02 GMT

SEMIFINALS                         NAT'L CHAMPIONSHIP GAME @
                                   HUNTINGTON, WV
                                   Dec. 19
                                   12:00 Noon
Marshall (d. Delaware, 28-7)       (CBS-TV)
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                                 |
                                 |----------------------------
Youngstown St. (d. N. Iowa, 19-7)|
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PDunn
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: questions
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.081942@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
> 
> In article <1glkfgINNl8u@tamsun.tamu.edu>, hung@ee.tamu.edu (Tzu-Chien Hung) writes:
> >Can somebody tell me about different passing routes, i.e.,
> >crossing routes, etc. You know it's a lot easier to understand 
> >running plays, but I just don't know much about passing plays, 
> >especially WRs' different routs. 
>
> There are lots of different routes, depending on what the defense
> gives the offense.  I'll try to describe some of them.
> 
> fade/slant - about a 45degree path from line of scrimmage


I am not sure that the fade and the slant are the same. 

The Slant is more like a short post-pattern. Run down the field 5 yds and 
slant in at 45degs. The QB releases the ball just as the WR is making 
the cut. 

The Fade is a straight pattern run by the WR (usually against 1-on-1
coverage). The pass is thrown to a spot a few yds in front of the WR allowing
him to run under the ball. The pass is not a flat throw but is given a 
lot of hang-time. 



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Newsflash
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:26:03 GMT

Ah, but if both Terry and Tommy coach for Auburn and Auburn
plays FSU, I bet Momma Bowden would pull for Auburn leaving
Bobby by himself.



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Some Verbal Commitments
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:31:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.154911.12083@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>Here are some verbal commitments here in mid-Dec. Remember,
>these are non-binding. These players are tops in their
>position.
>
>
>                VERBAL COMMITMENTS
>                ==================
>
>PLAYER              POSITION         SCHOOL-COMM
>------              --------         -----------
>
>Tim Carey              QB            Standford
>Jeff Hecklinski        QB            Illinois
>Rick Kaczenski         TE            Notre Dame
>Chris Kurpeikis        OL            Notre Dame
>Walt DeLong            DL            Ohio State
>John Dutton            QB            Texas
>Joel Holidat           OL            Clemson
>Ed Machin              OL            Iowa State
>Cameron Cleeland       TE            Washington
>Malchi Crawford        LB            ASU
>Travis Johnson         C             Georgia
>Michael Malfatt        KP            Ohio State
>Phil Ostrowski         DE            Penn State
>Heath Panks            DL            LSU
>Keno Shawell           RB            Maryland
>Justin Strand          RB-LB         Standford
>John Zatechka          OL            Nebraska
>Kit Carpenter          LB            NC State
>Brad Collins           DL            NC State
>Nate DeLong            PK            Michigan
>Greg Spires            LB            Florida State
>Duce Staleley          DB            S. Carolina
>
>
One of the Chronicle's last week reported that Rice already
has *6* oral commitments.  Most of them appear on top 100 
(Texas) lists.  Look for them to have a good recruiting season.
Well, good for Rice anyway...  :-)

Texas will probably win the SWC recruiting war this year.  
But only because A&M will only have 9 maybe 10 scholarships to
give out.  I think Texas have 23 and plan on giving at least 18
of them out.

cmuck

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:34:49 GMT

In article <8f=6eWe00Uh_813AAH@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Karamo Motley
<wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Some people like to say that FSU is better than Miami, although Miami
> beat FSU.  Others say that FSU is in no way, shape or form better than
> Miami because Miami beat them.  In my opinion, I would think that FSU is
> the best team in the country, but that's beside the point.  Let's take a
> look at the NFL for a quick minute.  Would one say that the New York
> Jets are better than the Buffalo Bills simply because the Jets happened
> to beat the Bills?  Probably not.  Would one say that the Dallas Cowboys
> are better because they walked all over the Washington Redskins in the
> beginning of the season?  Washington won in a rematch today.  My point
> is that using the argument that Miami is better because they won the
> game is kind of weak.  Both teams have improved since then, so it's not
> really fair to say one team is better than the other at this juncture in
> time.  If someone is going to claim that Miami is better, back it up
> with some stats and stuff.

There's a *vast* difference between the pros and 1A college football.

Namely, the pros have a playoff system. Will you be the one to tell
Bama and A&M (and Miami for that matter), "No, sorry, an unbeaten
season isn't good enough, neither of you are better than FSU, you 
won't get a shot at proving yourselves - Miami, you have to prove 
yourself *again*"?

Let's put the shoe on the other foot, tho. Why is FSU better than
any of the teams I've mentioned? Is it their stellar performance
in the ACC? Is it their blowout of the periennial power of 
Lousianna, the Green Wave of Tulane? Their come-from-behind wins
over otherwise disappointing[*] Clemson and GaTech teams? The
total destruction of UVa?

There are three reasons FSU is ranked so high. They have the repuation
of being a good team, they have cakewalked thru the ACC against
(over)ranked teams, and Bobby Bowden.

I'd really like to see someone compute an end-of-season strength of
schedule based on final standings.

James
[*] disappointing==no bowl game, and Clemson had a losing season, I 
    think
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: derek@comlab.gatech.edu (Derek Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trivia answers
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:49:48 GMT
Organization: GTRI Communications Lab

In article <1992Dec16.185356.4113@ra.msstate.edu> wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>1.  Bear never beat Texas, 0-2-1.
>
>2.  Georgia Tech, Sewanee, and Tulane were former SEC
>members.
>
>3.  Oldest stadium has to be Sanford Stadium in Athens.

I don't know for sure, but our football games this year, the PA man welcomed
everyone to "the oldest division I stadium in America."  Whether this is 
absolutely true, I do not know (we know how schools like to toot their own
horns).  However, I do know that Grant Field (aka Bobby Dodd Stadium) is older
than that farm surrounded by concrete up in Athens.

Derek
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			To Hell with Georgia!!
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:24:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas

In article <1992Dec15.220057.21817@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>I don't know if this is too late or somebody has already posted similar stuff.
>I just came back from Taiwan for a 3-week vacation and found out the Trojans
>lost again to the Fighting Irish, for the new record of 10 in a row. 
> 
>I think it is about time for USC coaches and fans to seriously reconsider the
>value of the USC-ND series. IMHO, this series has already costed USC too much:
>USC has lost 10 in a row and being casted the image of "owned by ND". It costed
>the USC at least 2 potential chances for the NC. And I believe it also costed
>USC a lot recruiting opportunities (who want to go to a football team being owned
>by another team?)
> 
>Dropping the series, even temporarily, can give the coaches, players, and fans
>an opportunity to regroup themselves, relieve their mental burdens, and give
>them a break to come back to the NC pursuit. Keep playing and trying to break
>the losing streak may just kill the entire football team. I think at least the
>Trojans should consider to change the series, if not dropping it, to something
>like playing once every 2 or 3 years, not year after year. 
> 
>ND is such a team that it is too dangerous to keep them as yearly non-conference
>rivarly. ND is the only team who has the overwhelming winning edge against USC.
>Playing them every year is just stupid.
>
>ND is not necessarily the best team in the nation. But USC just cannot beat them.
>Penn State may be better than ND but USC did beat Penn State twice. So, even
>replacing ND by Penn State doesn't weaken USC's schedule strength but I believe
>it will relieve USC a lot. Yes, someone will call USC chicken if they drop the
>series, but being a chicken is better than being humiliated year after year.
>I believe many people will flame on me and they believe the streak will end
>someday, but this "someday" hopes may just extend the streak to 11, 12, 13, or N
>as well. When you cannot cross a barier you may want to think of bypassing it.
>It is not a good choice but I don't see better alternatives. I'd rather see USC
>end up 12-0 without playing ND than the other way.
>
>Next year at South Bend, forget it, 11 in a row!! 
>
>  ??    ??        ??????
>  ??    ??       ??    ??
>  ??    ??       ??               T. J. FAN, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
>  ??    ?? ????? ??
>  ??    ????   ????    ??         - A Trojan Fan (Used to be)
>   ?????? ????    ??????          - and the ND hater (Probably no more)
>             ????
>          ??   ??
>           ?????

The ultimate anti-woof!  He's just setting ND up for a big loss next year.


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions.
 Well, we shall see." -- Cardinal Ximinez
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:11:29 GMT

kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:


>Let's put this all to rest. FSU will _NEVER_ win the MNC as long as Bowden
>is at the helm. It doesn't make a rat's ass worth of difference if we play
>Miami or not. Bowden does not have what it takes to win the "big one" and
>that is all there is to it. So, all you FSU people...SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>And to everyone else who bitches about Miami, TAMU, Bama, ND.... you too
>should SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! No amount of arguing will settle the issue, so why
>bother wasting so much band width with all this petty bickering. It's either
>going to be Bama or Miami as the MNC, live with it!

>Kevin (both a Miami and FSU fan btw)

Yes !  Justin - almost SHUTTING THE FUCK UP - Frederich
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:46:36 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 78297@hydra.gatech.EDU, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:
>
>}I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>}net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>}far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>}
>}Bowl			Location
>}----			--------
>}California Raisin	Fresno CA
>}Bluebonnet	        Houston, TX
>}Tangerine 		??
>
>This bowl still exists under the name Florida Citrus Bowl.
>
>All-American		Birmingham, AL
>[Originally called the Hall of Fame Classic]
>
>The remaining defunct bowls and their results are reproduced
>below:
>
>Bluegrass Bowl, Louisville, KY: 12-13-58	Oklahoma St. 15, Florida St. 6
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This win wasn't convincing enough!!  We demand a rematch!! ;-)  (GO NOLES!)


>				 12-15-62	Nebraska 36, Miami (FL) 34
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Can you believe it?  There once was a time when Nebraska could actually beat
Miami!!!!!  ;-)

>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>
>           "You're living in your own private Idaho."




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Don't Forget--The I-AA Title Game is Live on CBS Saturday
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:02:00 GMT

For those who have never experienced I-AA football, The I-AA title game is live 
from Huntington, WV on CBS, Saturday at noon.  This is one of the best settings 
for a football game in I-AA.

I WANT THE GOODYEAR BLIMP AT MARSHALL STADIUM!!:-)

PDunn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Organization: Motorola
Date: 16 Dec 1992 11:30:10 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Keywords: ITS GOSPEL
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: us
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:54:38 GMT

In article <BzBw2x.MvL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris
>Face it everyone, the University of Notre Dame is the
>greatest college football institution on the PLANET!!
[...]
>
>Chris Brandt
>
>Flame all you want, but you know its true!
>
>e-mail:  brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>

>>Just too bad you couldn't get in, huh?

Yes, let us hear the rest of the bandwagon ND boosters talk on this
subject.
--




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: 3808@b30.ingr.com (Barry Wilson)
Subject: ***************I need Sugar Bowl Tickets
Keywords: football bowls bama
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:03:31 GMT

I need Sugar Bowl tickets.  If you have tickets that you
cannot or do not plan to use, please give me a call....

If you scalp Alabama tickets for a living, don't bother calling me.

Just another Bama family desiring to go to the game...
 
=========================================================
=		      Barry L. Wilson			=
=             Program Manager - Project Services	=
=    Intergraph Corporation, Systems Integration        =
= 	               (205) 730-3384 			= 
=    		      ingr!b30!sis!blw		   	=
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rsumner@ho06.eng.ua.edu (Richard J. Sumner)
Subject: Re: MNC or NC?
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.202901.5215@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> junxu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jun Xu) writes:
>     Just one more thought. May those crying for playoff system don't really 
>want one, they just don't like what is one the poll. In that case, remember, 
>poll is a opinion. No opinion can get the agreement from everyone.
>

Just to complicate the issue a bit, the SEC has two champions when 
it comes to b-ball, 1) the team with the best conference record, and
2) the team that wins the SEC playoff. 

No matter what your stance on deciding CFA's 1-A MNC, I imagine everyone
would agree that this is by far the worst soloution and the least 
satisfing to all.  Imagine Miami or UA or aTm the champion for the year,
and some wildcard 6-4 team as the playoff champ.

BTW, is Johnny Majors definitly going to Pitt.
If so, congrats, I like the guy.

ROLL TIDE


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Southern Conference Roll Call
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:44:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135452.8777@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harri
s.com writes:
>
>                                  A
>                       P
>                       P
>              W                     P
>               E                    A
>                S                   L
>          T            A
>           E           C
>            R          H
>             N              I
>                       A
>                C      N            M
>              A              A
>               R       S          R
>                O      T         S
>                 L     A        H
>                  I         T       A
>                   N        E      L
>                    A          L
>
>                   SOUTHERN
>       TENNESSEE CHATTANOOGA                VIRGINIA MILITARY INSTITUTE
>                     CONFERENCE
>
>                    F           E
>                   U      T      A
>                  R       H       S
>                 M        E        T
>                A
>               N          C          T
>                       I             E
>                       T      N
>                       A       N
>                       D        E
>                       E         S
>                       L               S
>                                   E
>                                    E
>
>                                      S
>                                       T
>                                        A
>                                      T
>                                       E

Wow! The editor really srewed that up;-)

Patrick Dunn--Marshall Grad--Huge SoCon football fan--

Woofing to come--

Go Herd!!

PDunn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lhsux@swingset.bae.bellcore.com (Lorne Schachter)
Subject: History, was Re: Southern Conference Roll Call
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:19:18 GMT

|> 
|> By the way, a bit of
|> >Southern Conference trivia ... the ACC is a spinoff of the Southern Conference
|> !
|> >Check the history books on it!
|> 
|> As was the Southeastern Conference.
|> 
|> >D. Head
|> >ASU '82
|> >Give 'em hell Apps!
|> 
|> PDunn
|> Marshall '87>
When the ACC celebrated its 25th anniversary in 1978, they published a
history of the conference which also detailed the history leading up to its
formation, i.e., the original Southern Conference (upwards of 20 teams at
its height), the split off of the SEC and then the split off of the ACC.
Fascinating reading.

				Lorne Schachter
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: SEC game schedules
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:52:38 GMT

In article <Ray_Hines.05zo@dream.uucp>
Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines) writes:
>
>In a message dated Fri 11 Dec 92 11:31, Rsumner@ho15.eng.ua.edu (richard J.
>wrote:
>
> RJ> Therefore, Alabama is the 1992 SEC Western Division Champion, while
> RJ> Florida and Georgia are the 1992 SEC Eastern Division Co-Champions.
>
>Sorry, Florida *is* the SEC Eastern Division Champion.  No Cos here .
 
Sorry, but in the eyes of the SEC Georgia and Florida tied for the Eastern
Division Championship.  The SEC used a tie-breaker formula only to determine
which Eastern Division Champion would be the division's representative in
the SEC Championship Game.
 
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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:01:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <78557@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) write
s:
>jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com wrote:
>}
>}  Three questions:
>}
>}1. Today is the 10th anniversary of Coach Bryant's retirement.  We all know he
>}   did not beat Notre Dame, but there is one other team (that he faced more
>}   than one time) he did not beat.  Who?
>
>Alabama, of course!  ;-)
>
Paul (Bear) Bryant (I assume this is the coach Bryant y'all meant, in arguably
the best college football coach of all time coached (BLASPHEMY AHEAD) at schools
other than Alabama (BLASPHEMY WARNING ENDED).  This being the case it is quite
possible that he did beat Alabama.

Gary Williams is god... what say... oops, this is football... ok... Mark
Duffner is god!!!!
Followups: here
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: NCAA Playoffs.
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:51:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.112558.4535@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:

>#6  Notre Dame (9-1-1)        3
>#17 Stanford    (10-3)       17
>

Again!!

>#3  Texas A&M     (13-0)     17
>#17 Stanford      (11-3)     31    

Revenge!

>#1  Miami         (14-0)     17
>#17 Stanford      (13-3)     23    

Now this would be something!  How could I watch this game?  My two
favorite teams ... 

Dan

Go Canes and Cardinal!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Southern Conference Roll Call
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <1992Dec16.081417@mccall.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:42:21 GMT

>>in I-AA?  The Basketball additions will help in that area, too.
>>
>Yeah! I doubt it in my mind:-)

E V I D E N C E : - )

Georgia Southern--5 title game appearances; four nat'l titles.
Furman--          2 title game appearances; 1 nat'l title.
Marshall--        3 title game appearances; could win title this year
W. Carolina--     1 title game appearance.

There has been a title game since 78, but the SC has only been I-AA since 1982.
Therefore, there have been twenty slots in the title game that could
have been filled by conference teams, and ten possible titles.  The SC, in
those ten years, has won
five (possibly six) titles, and has taken up eleven of the twenty.

Admittedly, Ga. So. was not in the conference when it won all of those titles,
but its in the SC now.

>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company

PDunn
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:50:24 GMT
Organization: .

(COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>
>So, who are the UNDISPUTED HEISMAN TROPHY WINNERS?

Only one:

> yr        name        college pos         played for          notes
>----------------------------------  -------------------------  -----
>1959 Billy Cannon     LSU      HB   Hou, Rai, KC

--J.J.
(he gives a mean root canal, too)
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