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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Barkley........
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Jul30.172832.8915@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.172832.8915@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

   robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
   >Last night I saw a Nike ad featuring Sir Charles about to square off
   >one on one against Godzilla. [...]
   >Anyone know what this is all about?

   I saw Charles on ESPN the other night, talking to R*y F*****ne.
   He said that Kevin McHale was the toughest man to play against,
   but Godzilla is tougher because he has a tail.

   No kidding.

All this and people give the guy grief!?!  Just where o we find another
Charles?

Bill
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:35:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.192932.17918@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>Rex Chapman is a Charlotte Hornet.  They drafted him 9th in 1988 and I 
>remember seeing him play last year.

This is ridiculous.  I would have thought it impossible for someone to miss
all of those 20 million messages informing a previous mis-post.  Rex Chapman
is a Washington Bullet.  And for that matter, Drazen Petrovic is a Net,
it's Toni Kukoc who might be a Chicago Bull.  Grrr...

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From: bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert)
Subject: Re: Bit by bit
Keywords: nn
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:06:23 GMT

>Somebody better drag out the old Net Rules And Code Of Behaviour
>because some of these rookies, sadly, are just "not follow".
>
>Here are just a few of the most important rules and standards.  They
>may seem strange at first, but once you get used to them you will enjoy
>RSBP all the more:
>
>1. Danny Ainge bit Sonny Rollins.
>2. Michael Jordon is Gad.
>3. BLAZERZ R00LZ!!!!
>4. The Celtics get all the calls from the officials.
>5. The Woofing Theorem:  ``The number of playoff games a team wins is
>   inversely proportional to the number of exclamation points and upper-
>   case words in articles posted by the team's fans.''  [J. Oliver, ca. 89]
>

You forgot... Charles Barkley is the biggest asshole i don't care how good
he is doesn't he know it's the fans who pay his salary i hope the sixers do
better without him he's just a big blowhard i don't care i good he is he's
a bad influence on the other players i'd hate to coach him i don't care how
good he is


Matt Bohnert
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From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!\
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 17:15:28 GMT

 I would like to start a new thread. Can somebody  give me a list of stadiums/areanas that are home to more than one pro/college teams (Hockey, basketball,football ) . I don't know if this belongs to this newsgroup. If it doesn't no flames
 please

 You can reply to me by e-mail or post replies on news.

 Thanks

 Parag

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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:05:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.175428.28996@src.honeywell.com> shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar) writes:
>In article <Brsw5r.CwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>> [question about Hornacek going to the bench]
>> [support for Hornacek coming off the bench]
>
>Just wondering, have the Sixers given any thought to having a 3 guard lineup?
>I'm not sure if Horny's big enough for small forward (does anybody know his
>height?), but he seems to have semi-decent rebounding skills for a guard.

6-4 and very thin - won't work.  He got a lot of rebounds in Phx because
of 2 reasons - 1) he's a smart player and knows when to follow his shot,
when not to and where to be on the court, but it's more likely that 2) he
played on the Suns next to Perry, Lang, and Chambers - my mom could
be a semi-decent rebounder next to those guys.  I don't think Philly
management will let Horney come off the bench - it looks too bad.  Trade
one of the best players in the game for 2 scrubs and a guy off the
bench - no way.
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From: aco@fraser.sfu.ca (Alvin Milton Co)
Subject: Larry Johnson
Summary: INJURED!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:53:33 GMT

I read in the morning paper that Larry Johnson was injured in a pick-game in
Dallas!  Does anybody have any information.  He's suppose to have surgery but
He should be back in time for training camp!

Boris

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.123908.14099@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.231435.2649@athena.cs.uga.edu>, milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>> But even without Rex, the Hornets should battle the Heat for the right to be
>> destroyed by the Bulls in the first round next year.
>
>Hate to disappoint you, but as we saw in the various playoff series, Da Bulls
>are dying, and dying quickly, but as much as I dislike them, I can
>constructively say that they better make some good administrative decisions if
>they want to stay the *gulp* *cringe* best.
>
>-- Venk Reddy --

Care to elaborate, Venk?  The bandwidth in this group has gone down 
considerably, and if you would justify your opinion of how the Bulls
are 'dying quickly', I'm sure we could get that bandwidth back up to
par...  

Also, who do you favor the be better than the Bulls if they stay as-is 
(which I'm sure won't be the case)?

Is everyone in complete amazement that I responded to this?

C'mon Venk, disappoint me...

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul22.151109.17026@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>  
lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

ed,

If you really must keep debating, can you at least go back to your
original debate (silly as it may be) about bias and officials,
which at least was vaguely about basketball.  For over a week now,
you have been arguing over whether Dave agrees with you (which
he obviously does not, and nobody following this thread thinks
otherwise).  None of this has any bearing on the truth or 
falsehood of your original argument.  All it does is muddle
it (which perhaps is what you were intending, since a lot of people
had joined the fray to poke holes in what you were saying). 
             

--
Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:05:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.202622.1150@ichips.intel.com> harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>In article <Bs276n.HCq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
>>
>>Its too bad that stuff like that has to happen in the Olympics.  Maybe
>>it has a place against opponents that play like horses-asses, like the
>>Knicks, Pistons, etc.  But against Angola???  Sorry, Charles.
>
>Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
>that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had
>a problem playing volleyball.  It gets emotional and ref's get yelled at
>and what not, but nothing like the conduct that happens on a b-ball court.
>People have some respect for each other beyond just playing the game.  In
>basketball it seems like a totally different mentality.  Hell, a fight is
>an almost regular occurrence on a b-ball court, even at nicer clubs.
>Doctors and Lawyers taking swings at one another - it's hilarious.  And I
>won't even bother bringing up park ball.  Anyone else notice this besides
>me?  Is it the game that leads to this, or do b-ball players in general take
>themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
>that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
>importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
>thing happens at our level as well.  It seems that basketball brings out
>the this side in people more than any other sport.  Observations?  Answers?

Have you seen any hockey games lately??

Well, seriously, basketball is a contact sport and anytime you have a sport
where opposing players are in physical contact with each other, there's
bound to be some scuffles. In vollleyball, for instance, you might get a ball
spiked in your face, but it's an accepted part of the game. It's not like
you're PERSONALLY hitting him. In basketball, if a guy elbows you in the head
while going for a rebound, whether it's intended or not it's going to piss
you off. When you're in close physical contact with your opponent, things are
bound to happen.

Salty
From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Reggie Lewis (was Re: 2nd Dream Team)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:35:32 GMT
	<1992Jul16.202440.25171@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<1992Jul17.144406.16447@uvmark.uucp>
	<1992Jul20.220205.728@leela.cs.orst.edu>
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <1992Jul20.220205.728@leela.cs.orst.edu> chrisda@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen) writes:

   In article <1992Jul17.144406.16447@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
   >
   >In defense of Lewis, as an off-guard/small forward (mostly off-guard), he
   >averages 50%+ from the field, scored 20.8ppg, pulled down 4.8rpg, and had
   >2.3apg.  He also led his team in steals and blocked shots.  When compared
   >to other players, especially other 2 guards, there are not too many who had
   >a better season than Lewis.  Jordan, sure.. Drexler, ok...  but after that???
   >

   Ok... How about Jeff Hornacek?  Reggie Miller.  Mitch Richmond.  Sarunas 
   Marciulionis, Joe Dumars, Jeff Malone, Hersey Hawkins.  Is Lewis better than
   all these guys?  I doubt it seriously.

   I think Lewis is very good, and he belongs in this group.  But I don't see
   him as quite the scoring threat that most of these guys are.

How many of those above players averaged more pts(~30) than Reggie Lewis in 
the playoffs this year? Not many I suspect. 

Quote from Chuck Daly after the Cletics swept the season series from the 
Pistons: "Reggie Lewis is practically unstoppable".

Reggie averaged 20.8 pts over the regular season, but that is kind of
deceiving because he was not the focal point of the offense for the
entire year. The last 20 games of the season when Bird was out Lewis
did it all leading the Celts on the win streak that won the Atlantic
division.


   >He is a tough defender and a great scorer.  And, as time goes on and the 
   >offense shifts towards him, I think his scoring average will go up even
   >higher.

   Is he really a tough defender?  Drexler scored on him all day as I recall.  Or
   was that just one game and Lewis really shuts down Hawkins, Dumars, Petro, MJ,
   etc when he plays them?
   And does he really block more shots than Parish?  C'mon...
   *** 
   David Christensen

Reggie Lewis led his team in steals, blocked shots and scoring. The last guy
to do that on the Celtics was Dave Cowens back in the mid 70's. 

How much of Reggie Lewis do you see? The two games the Celts play the Blazers
each Year? 


Chris Martel			cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Clearpoint Research		cpm@cpoint.UUCP
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From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: MAGIC in NEW YORK?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:07:51 GMT

Magic Johnson has almost come to his final conclusion that he would
like to play inthe NBA next season.
Johnson has also noted that he would like to finish his career playing
for Pat Riley.

Magic on the Knicks?

Wow!  looks like the knicks might be buying a championship
From: kgprasan@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Hello There Fella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:09:03 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1642@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, nsg@tarsus.austin.ibm.com writes:
>>> 
>>> The actual number of Olympic TripleCasts sold by NBC/CableVision
>>> as of July 13 is ... in the range of 50,000 - 60,000 according to
>>> an independant study. I think the 5,000 number which has been
>>> ruthlessly kicked around for the last month was someones' attempt
>>> at sarcasm towards the idea of PPV.
>>
>
>What's the difference. Even if the total will 100,000 by Sunday,that's
>still 1,900,000 short of what they need to break even on $100 miilion expense
>on production costs plus $40 million in advertising costs.
>
>NBC Cable clearly didn't do enough research for this thing. People who
>did any type of research for NBC three or four years ago clearly underestimated
>the inability of many cable companies to expand channels and switch over 
>to more modern equipemnt over this pre-Olympic period. 
>NBC counted that many of these monpolies would invest some of the profits
>into upgrading their systems before July 26th,1992. Wrong! :-)
>to expand

There was an article in the NY Times Buisness section a few
days back. The gist of the article was that NBC has done some 
research on past pay-per-view boxing events and has found out that
a very large number of orders are made on the day of the fight.
The article also states that NBC is very happy with the numbers
right now and they hope to have a large number of people signing
up by this weekend.
I think its a mistake to write off this pay-per-view thing
based on the figures available right now. But, if NBC does break
even then its a bad precedent for sports fans.
Pras.
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird plays foolish in game 1 of olympics
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:53:02 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>In article <1992Jul27.230631.23825@news.Hawaii.Edu> bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:

>>I saw Larry Bird dive for a loose ball  in the Angola game when
>>the team was up by dozens. 
>>Well LArry, it is your back.
>>

I guess you never saw Larry play in his Prime ('84-'87). The man lived for 
diving after loose balls. That is the way he plays 100%... It wouldn't Larry
if he wasn't all over the court. A million dollars worth of hustle...


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From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: WORTHY/STARKS Trade?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:08:12 GMT
 <1992Jul24.142655.25543@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul24.142655.25543@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul24.023530.3215@scott.skidmore.edu>
>mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
>>WFAN in new york, reported that the Knicks and the Lakers are working
>>on a James Worthy/John Starks trade..  any thoughts?
>>sounds like an interesting trade, one that could make the knicks the
>>best team in the NBA next year.
>
>Now why in the world would the Lakers want to do this?  The only thing I
>can think of is that James Worthy got an amputation or something.

AAAUGH!  NEVER NEVER say that!  Who cares what the Lakers get out of
it?  If it'll help the Knicks, let's pretend it's possible!  Ewing
for Mullin, Hardaway and Owens;  Hardaway for Olajuwon; Owens for
Robinson; Mullin for Pippen, Jordan, and Paxson (without Paxson, we
don't make this trade, because we can't afford to lose Mullin's outside
shot);  Paxson for Mullin and Grant;  Grant for Price and Nance;  Greg
Anthony for Stockton and Malone; Duckworth for Mutombo...

The Knicks should be unbeatable!  GO KNICKS!

Tom Hyer

                                                            Humor impaired?
                                                                Here:

                                                                 :)
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bucks-Jazz
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:49:37 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Jul30.052635.3669@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
>
>I like Utah at power forward and point guard.  Corbin and Benoit both
>looked very good last year, so the 3 spot seems to be covered.  I had
>thought that Utah would go for Ainge, since a front court of Malone and
>Corbin would still rip down a lot of free throws, letting Ainge roam on
>the perimeter.   Not familiar enough with Humphries to know his game,
>but I'd start wondering about outside shooting about now ...  Outside is
>defined here as about 17' and out.  Benoit looked pretty good from long
>range, and he'll have another year under his belt.  But I'm not that
>impressed with Stockton as a gunner, nor with Jeff Malone if he's not
>off-balance and falling down about 15' from the hoop.
>
>Malone is one dimensional, not able to play Drexler or Majerle very well
>on defense and a horrible backup point.  Or at least he was against the
>Blazers.

I think Humphries will help an awful lot.  Three guard rotations are pretty
important in the NBA, and the Jazz have one now.  Humphries can play
either guard position well, and I think among starting point guards, he
always has a very low number of turnovers.  Last year was a down season,
but then all of the Bucks were down.  Sidenote: isn't it interesting that
wherever Moses Malone goes, the team goes down?  Anyway, this trio of
guards shouldn't have a problem with anyone in the backcourt.  Humphries
can hit the J...
From: meunier@cemef.cma.fr
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: USA-Croatia / Magic hurt
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:05:18 GMT
Reply-To: meunier@cemef.cma.fr ()
Organization: Ecole des Mines - Sophia Anitpolis, FRANCE


Hi,
last night the Dream Team defeated Crotia 103-70.  The DT led for about 
20 pts all the game but they had a "little" trouble with the Croatian
guys. Ok, the DT beat them but not as easily as many would expect.

The problem for Croatia was when Petrovitch and KuKoc were in foulo trouble.
Anyway it was a good game. Barkley, Jordan, Pippen and Drexler made some
thunderous dunks. 

Jordan and Pippen did good job on guarding their opponents (MJ on Petro and
especially Pip on KuKoc). I believe Pip wanted to show Kukoc was were
his talents and wanted to show everybody (especially the Bulls GM) that
he (Pip) was far away better.

Vranko made some enormous blocks (2 on Pip I think, 1 on Robinson and 1 on
The Mailman...)

I think that the score should have been higher if all the buckets the DT
went in.

Bird played some minutes...

One bad news during this game is that Magic was hurt during the first half
and didn't play all the remaining time (~10 mins) and all the second half.
I don't know what he has but, he was penetrating in the paint for a layup
(you know with his front leg up) and when he came down he was holding the
back of his right Knee.
The doctor put ice on it and I thought he would play for the second half
as he was walking on the court but not. During the game the cameraman 
showed him and his leg but the f**king commentator did not have any news
concerning that.

Too bad for the game if we lose the Magic Man in that way...

Regards.
Erick.
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Dream Team's 3-pt shooting?
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:31:20 GMT

In article <22813@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Path: exucom.exu.ericsson.se!ericom!sunic!mcsun!uunet!dtix!oasys!swilliam
>From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
>Subject: What's wrong with the Dream Team's 3-pt shooting?
>Message-ID: <22813@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
>Date: 28 Jul 92 10:34:33 GMT
>Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
>Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
>Lines: 7

>The title says it all.  I was expecting some fancy 3-pt shooting display 
>from the Dream Team.  Any comment?


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} I have not been able to watch much....do you mean they are missing, or 
just not shooting?

  If its just that there not shooting, I'm sure its because it's much more 
fun *and* entertaining to slice through the lane or ali-oop for a monster 
jam. 
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From: s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson)
Subject: USA/Croatia Score
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:58:56 GMT


Hi,

Scores from US vs Croatia(I hope, I didn't notice the opposition but only the
score)
US 103   Croatia 70.

paul