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From: tokuda@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Lee Tokuda)
Subject: Re: Boxing: SuperMiddleweights (Nunn, Eubank, Barkley, Benn)
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:50:50 GMT

In article <BvvK7z.L7K@dcs.ed.ac.uk> sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.111417.13125@phillip.edu.au> t9014192@phillip.edu.au writes:
>>In article <BvrqIE.M1K@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau) writes:
>>> 
>
>Uhh... I'm not keen on the idea of Tyson getting out.
>Sure he's a great fighter, but he's also a damn rapist. Sorry.
>I think there needs to be a distinction between the fighter and the man.
>
>
>Anyhow, are you trying to tell me the heavyweight division's boring ?
>
>Two fights that should change that are :
>
>(1) Lennox Lewis vs Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock
>
>and
>
>(2) Evander Holyfield vs Riddick Bowe
>
>
>(1) Many people are going for Ruddock, but I'm going out on a limb for
>Lewis - not because he's British, but because he's more talented and
>has huge potential. Lewis by points. The fights going to start at around
>midnight over here to accomodate the american t.v. networks.
>
>(2) Either Bowe is going to win ridiculously easy, or, the longer
>the fight goes on, Holyfield will grind down Bowe.
>
>
>
>Simon.

I feel exactly the way you do about all of the above.  Moreover, I think
Lewis not only has the talent to beat Ruddock, but the potential to
come out on top of this four-way contest.  I can't wait for these 
upcomming matches.  I'll predict Lewis by decision and Holyfield by 
decision as well.  I seem to have a feeling that Bowe could just walk
through anything Holyfield can dish out and just overpower the champ
but I'll go with the 'Real Deal' on his boxing skill and experience.


-Lee

Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Boxing: Good fight tonight!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:41:22 GMT

Hey! Keep the boxing news coming! 


And for you fight fans there is a good one on tonight! 

In the Blue corner, the challenger, an environmentalist, a Senator, fighting
for a change in America, Senator Al Gorrrrrrrrreeeeeee!

And in the Red corner, the current champion, a VP who watches too much TV, and
cant spell, head of the now unfunded Space Counsel, and virtually out of sight
during the whole campaign, the champion, the Vice President, Dan "I wish I
didn't have to do this" Quaylllllllllllll.

And in the White corner, the unknown, mystery challenger, fighting out of
Texas, on the heals of Ross Perot, the honorable......?

My Prediction: In the first encounter of the two parties, Bush failed to deck
Clinton, while Clinton was armed with enough counter punches to force Bush into
his corner. Clinton launched his attack using combinations of Bushes record in
the economy, and his own plans for change in America.

In the only good exchange, Bush through a poorly thrown overhand right and
attacked Clintons patriotism and character. Clinton countered with a good crisp
jab which reminded Bush that his own father fought against McCarthy-ism. This
jab shut Bushes mouth.

The third man in the ring was doing nothing more than showboating somewhat like
Paez or Leonard, but he was gaining points although none of his punches had any
zip, sting, or effect on anyone intelligent. 

As for tonights match:

Quayl will once again come in unprepared, overweight, and with little
confidence. Watch for him to get his feet crossed as well as his facts. He will
not need Gore to KO him, he can handle this himself.

Gore is poised for victory. Unlike the Presidential debate, there will be a
clear winner. 

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off water
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.100753.11867@st-andrews.ac.uk> cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele) writes:
>On THREE occasions in recent months, I have made a mess of iron shots over a
>water hazard (pond on 14th/15th on Eden course, St Andrews) and the ball has
>bounced off the water. On two of the occasions, it arrived safely back on
>dry land while on the other occasion, it bounced off the water 6 times before
>sinking in the 7th time.
>
>Is this sort of thing more common than would appear (i.e. has it happened to
>others) or is it just that I play badly enough to put the wrong sort of spin
>on the ball and it comes to my aid on occasions like this ?
>
This is very common, especially for a shot hit lowly.  There is the
famous Arnold Palmer US open shot too!  

The bottom line is that if you keep doing it, it will sink at the worst
time.   Sorta like a Murphy's law for lake bound golf shots.  It will 
normally be when you are playing bad, cause when you are playing good
you get the good bounces.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott  (aka Dr. J.)			Phone: 309-298-1452
Western Illinois University			mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: Re: Phoenix golf, revisited
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:54:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.141103.6131@csc.ti.com> samg@dadd.ti.com writes:
>No, no, no.  The term reciprocal refers to the abililty
>for the golfer to play more than 18 holes, ON THE SAME DAY,
>after paying greens fees.  That is, once you pay your
>green's fees, they're good for the day.  If you wanna ride
>a cart, you may have to pay for more holes, but that's it.
>NO PHOENIX area courses allowed this, they were all
>"18-hole greens fees".  The Foothills was the only
>exception, and in fact, they even let you ride the cart for
>no additional charge, another "Best Buy"...

Well, that's why I got this mixed up with switching front
and back nines:  because The Foothills doesn't normally
allow this sort of thing, either.  Nor have I noticed it at
any course I've played, anywhere[*].

The reason The Foothills is allowing it is that nearly half
the greens have been torn out, for the aforelamented
conversion to Bermuda grass[**], and they simply can't afford
to lower the interim greens fees below the $15 they've been
charging[***].  You see, it's free to allow you to go around
once more, when there are maybe 5 groups on the whole
course.  It's one of the few ways they could encourage people
to keep coming out[****].

				--Blair
				  "Foothills; footnotes.
				   what's the diff?"

* I have noticed one other course here that will, after 3 or
4 pm, in the summer, allow one to "play until dark", but in
the morning it's still play 9 and get lost (it's a 9-hole,
par-3, really ugly track of cheap turf near the mall).

** They'll leave half the Bent-grass greens in over the
winter, and replace them next summer; this plays utter hell
with your putting; figure 9 extra strokes because of
amazing overhits on the Bent and amazing Alices on the
Bermuda.

*** They get $29 for 18 holes in the summer, usually, plus
cart, plus beers, plus balls.  Tip the attendants after
they wash your clubs.  Tees are free, as is the view out
over the course from the clubhouse at twilight (the clubhouse
sits in a saddle on a mountain, some 60-100ft above the
1st tee; another great view can be had if you go up into
South Mountain Park to the lookout near the transmission-
tower farm).

**** I kept going because it's my backyard, so the drive
home is 30 seconds long, and because it doesn't make much
of a difference in my score whether the greens are pristine
or moon-like.  I still like the feel and look of mashed
Bent rather than tufted Bermuda, though, and it gave the
course a premium image, which makes the neighborhood all
that much nicer.  A large proportion of AZ courses have
always had Bermuda greens.
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From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Subject: Re: 5 Re: need golf suggestion for Myrtle Beach area
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:30:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.202129.4413@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 21329JMK@MSU writes:
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>In article <1992Sep29.025914.9849@src.umd.edu> tjay@src.umd.edu (Thanavat Juncha
>>I am thinking about taking golf vacation in Myrtle Beach, S.C. around December.
>Has anyone used the weather insurance available with some packages?

Most of the clubs there have a nice policy.  If you get a rainout, you
get a raincheck.  If you decide not to play for weather reasons, they 
tend to refund your money, or a large part of it.  We went there in Dec.
1990, from Dec. 14 to Dec 20.   We had one day in which we got rained
out, one day in which it was cold, and then the rest of the days, it was
perfect, with several short-sleeve days.  The courses are much cheaper
in December, especially before Christmas, and they are not crowded at
all.  Some of the restaurants close up near Christmas, so I would not
be there really close to Christmas.

Of course, the weather then is a tossup, but the mean temps are a 
pretty accurate guide.  If they always had perfect weather then, the
prices would not be  so ridiculously cheap.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for your Message.   			       Keep in Touch.
=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott  (aka Dr. J.)			Phone: 309-298-1452
Western Illinois University			mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
From: jlangfor@alsvid.une.edu.au (Joseph Langford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: HELP W/RIGHT TO LEFT
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:08:19 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <2785.48.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>, by mike.williams@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Williams):
> I am a predominately left to right  player. This is ok except on the
> holes that require a right to left play. To compensate for this I use a
> shorter club to keep it in play. Does anybody have good practice
> technique for me to try the next time I go to the range.
> 
>                                  Mike Williams
>i) try rotating your hands further behind the golf club when taking your grip                                                                        
ii) try concentrating on keeping your weight over the ball, you may be coming
off the ball slightly(falling back on your heels)
  
-- 
Joseph Langford  Internet:  jlangfor@loki.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 ????????
    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Re: 5 Re: need golf suggestion for Myrtle Beach area
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:06:47 GMT

By the way, they say they have PC software that lists the courses available
in the area ... anybody had a look at that?  I believe they charge a
disk duplication fee for it only ~ about $3 or $4.  Has a scorecard
for each course, plus rating & slope.

Maybe somebody going down could pick it up and make it available...

*******************************************************************
*         Tim MacEachern         * Tim_MacEachern@hawk.nstn.ns.ca *
*     Software Kinetics Ltd.     *  or maceache@hawk.nstn.ns.ca   *
* Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada *                                *
*           Opinions expressed are the author's only              *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: matthews_d@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: golf in malaysia
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:42:50 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I will be visiting Singapore and Malaysia in mid-December and would appreciate
any suggestions on places to visit and play. A resort with a course would be
great, or any ideas on courses that shouldn't be missed. Also, if anyone would
care to advise me on the logistical aspects, such as arranging tee-times, that
would be great. Thanks.

Dewayne Matthews
MATTHEWS_D@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Seagulls
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was playing with a guy named John yesterday in Buffalo at the Grover 
Cleveland Golf Course.   He hit his drive only about 125 yards, I hit mine
worse, only about 100 yards.  So we walked up to my ball, I hit, and then
in the distance, a seagull has a ball in its mouth, and drops it into a
sandtrap on the fairway over!  I was thinking, 'where did that bird get that
ball from?!?'  :^)  Well, I went over, picked it up, and sure enough, it was
John's ball.   

I couldn't believe the bird flew around with the ball and much less dropped it
in a hazard!

I let John play it from around its original spot.  What a fluke.  :^)

Big .sig warning!!!  :^)

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From: mdiamond@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Mark P. Diamond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting through the ball
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:04:42 GMT
Reply-To: mdiamond@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Mark P. Diamond)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <fragante.718476321@unixg.ubc.ca> fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
>
>So my question is - to those who hit the ball a long way - what are your key
>swing thoughts when hitting through and accelerating through the ball ? 
>

I'm a long hitter who when he connects regularly sends it 270+ with
my driver.  I believe that I hit it long because I use my whole body
to hit the ball.  I have a good weight shift, and a good turn.  When
hitting it far, I'm not thinking about hitting through the ball, but rather 
can I ensure that through this strange contortion called a swing will I 
manage to have the club move through the area occupied by the ball.   

Problem is what I achieve in distance, I lose in control.  What good is a 
290 yard drive if it rolls OB?   Until hackers like us can learn balance 
and grace, distance and control will be at different ends of the spectrum,
and we will be constantly chasing one and losing the other.  I guess
that's why they call it golf.

Mark <>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: federkin@rtsg.mot.com (John Federkins)
Subject: OK, I got the catalogs.  So now what???
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:06:03 GMT


I called up a bunch of the golf club component distributors and
got all their catalogs.  Now what do I do?  I'm looking to
buy/make a set of metal woods w/ graphite shafts.  Can anyone
give me recommendations on shaft stiffness, torque, kick-point, etc.?
What should I be looking for if I'm about a 20 handicapper?
I know there's all kinds of variables, but what does each characteristic
of the shaft do for the player/shot?
Also, any club head recommendations would be appreciated too.

Thanks,

John
-- 
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   "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up!"
John Federkins				Cellular Infrastructure Division
Motorola, Inc.				Arlington Heights, IL
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Driver on the fairway?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:58:36 GMT

Try opening your stance and playing a "controlled" slice. It also helps if you
have a slight uphill lie. Yes, it does take an almost perfect swing, but hey 
when you have one it doesn't matter! ;-)

p.s. Go for the gusto people! I mean what the hell do you have to lose? a dime 
skins or something?

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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: fjames@CS.Stanford.EDU (Frances James)
Subject:  The stimpmeter 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:37:44 GMT

Can someone please explain to me what the stimpmeter is and how it is
calculated?  I have a general idea, but it doesn't make any sense.  I
just started playing golf about a year ago, so I get the impression
that it's not real important that I know a lot about it NOW, but I
watch golf all the time and they mention it a lot.

Thanks!!

                        ---Frankie
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting through the ball
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:56:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.205656.25505
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <183815@pyramid.pyramid.com> mdiamond@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Mark P. Diamond) writes:

>I'm a long hitter who when he connects regularly sends it 270+ with
>my driver.  I believe that I hit it long because I use my whole body
>to hit the ball.  I have a good weight shift, and a good turn.  When
>hitting it far, I'm not thinking about hitting through the ball, but rather 
>can I ensure that through this strange contortion called a swing will I 
>manage to have the club move through the area occupied by the ball.   
>
>Problem is what I achieve in distance, I lose in control.  What good is a 
>290 yard drive if it rolls OB?   Until hackers like us can learn balance 
>and grace, distance and control will be at different ends of the spectrum,
>and we will be constantly chasing one and losing the other.  I guess
>that's why they call it golf.

You might want to pick up a copy of Nicklaus' _Golf_My_Way_ video.
In the beginning he explains that power and accuracy don't have to
work at cross purposes.  I won't try to paraphrase, as I have relatively
little of either...



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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: Re: Handicap program for PC?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:35:35 GMT

jim@ictv.com (Jim Cunningham) writes:

>Does there exist a PC program to compute handicaps? Presumably it
>takes as input your recent history of scores, with course rating and
>slope. Please tell me how to get it. Thanks. 

Yes, yes, OK, and Your Welcome:

The Fall '92 Herrington Catalog, The Enthusiast's Catalog,
contains a LOT of golf stuff.

EagleTrak

"EagleTrak calculates fairways hit, G.I.R., pitching/chipping
success, sand results, and putting stats.  Revealing graphs and charts
precisely illustrate where you save and lose strokes...Chart your
progress round-to-round, month-to-month, and year-to-year to put
your game in perspective.  

"EagleTrak calculates gross, net, and adjusted scores, and subtotals
your number of pars, birdies, and bogeys for each tound, then updates
best-ever results in each perfomrnace and scoring catagory.  

"Also includes complete Handicap Index program using USGA formulas.
So you don;t have to wait for the new handicaps to negotiate your 
best wager on the tee (EagleTrak keeps track of bets too!).

#G583 EAGLETRAK (IBM-COMPATIBLE) - $49.95 (p.49 of Fall '92 Catalog)

Phone Orders: (800)622-5221
Cust. Serv. : (603)437-4638

Hours: M-F 8:30am - 9:00pm EST
       Sat 9 - 5
       Sun 10 - 5 

Herrington has a 60-day money back guarantee.

Happy shopping!


Andrew
-- 
Andrew          
Colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: terjef@dhhalden.no (TERJE FRAFJORD)
Subject: Re: Handicap program for PC?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.023535.19933@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:
>From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
>Subject: Re: Handicap program for PC?
>Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:35:35 GMT
>jim@ictv.com (Jim Cunningham) writes:
>
>>Does there exist a PC program to compute handicaps? Presumably it
>>takes as input your recent history of scores, with course rating and
>>slope. Please tell me how to get it. Thanks. 
>
>Yes, yes, OK, and Your Welcome:
>
>The Fall '92 Herrington Catalog, The Enthusiast's Catalog,
>contains a LOT of golf stuff.
>
>EagleTrak
>
>"EagleTrak calculates fairways hit, G.I.R., pitching/chipping
>success, sand results, and putting stats.  Revealing graphs and charts
>precisely illustrate where you save and lose strokes...Chart your
>progress round-to-round, month-to-month, and year-to-year to put
>your game in perspective.  
>
>"EagleTrak calculates gross, net, and adjusted scores, and subtotals
>your number of pars, birdies, and bogeys for each tound, then updates
>best-ever results in each perfomrnace and scoring catagory.  
>
>"Also includes complete Handicap Index program using USGA formulas.
>So you don;t have to wait for the new handicaps to negotiate your 
>best wager on the tee (EagleTrak keeps track of bets too!).
>
>#G583 EAGLETRAK (IBM-COMPATIBLE) - $49.95 (p.49 of Fall '92 Catalog)
>
>Phone Orders: (800)622-5221
>Cust. Serv. : (603)437-4638
>
>Hours: M-F 8:30am - 9:00pm EST
>       Sat 9 - 5
>       Sun 10 - 5 
>
>Herrington has a 60-day money back guarantee.
>
>Happy shopping!
>
>
>Andrew
>-- 
>Andrew          
>Colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
>--
From: pgk@pacersoft.com (Paul Kamp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: How much are a set of Pings worth
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:01:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

At a recent golf tournament my father was the lucky winner of a new set of
Ping Zing irons.  Now for the problem, what to do with his old clubs?  He
has a set of 1986 Pings irons from the 3 iron through the pitching wedge. 
We would like to sell them but do not know a fair price.  If anyone has an
idea on how to price these please send your comments to me via email. 
Thanks in advance for the help!

Paul Kamp
Pacer Software, Inc.
Internet: pgk@pacersoft.com
AppleLink: PACER