From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: celtic frost questions
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:38:57 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep6.143856.17610@kth.se> d90-two@negru.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer) writes:
>[In case someone wonders about the crosspost: The News system is fucked up
>as usual here and I want to know if this reaches anywhere]
>
>In article <1992Sep4.164517.1083@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>In article <Bu0xnG.3wt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> azrael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (AZRAEL-The Angel of Death) writes:
>>>
>>>      Recently, I picked up a few CF discs and just about 
>>>    creamed myself when I listened to them.  I am much
>>>    saddened knowing that they are broken up, and am 
>>>    wondering:
>>>
>>>    1) why did they break up
>>>    2) could someone send me their discography
>>>    3) what are their best albums
>>>
>>>                     azrael
>>
>>Celtic Frost grew our of the similar Hellhammer, once reknowned by Metal Forces
>>magazine as "The worlds worst band". 
>>Hellhammer had some tracks on comps, and one release: "Apocalyptic Raids" <4
>> song 12". "Triumph Of Death" is pretty funny. Played at 45, it sounds like
>>really bad Sabbath. Its normally 33 1/3>
>
>"Apocalyptic Raids" has two bonus tracks on the CD (from the 1984 "Death Metal"
>sampler). 
>I'd also recommend "Triumph Of Death" at 45 if you have the vinyl EP, it
>sounds better if it's shorter 8-)
>>
>>This isn't complete and all dates are approximate.
>I'm not completely sure either but...
>>
>>Celtic Frost:
>>
>>Morbid Tales <Mini-LP.> Still my favorite. 1985 (84?)
>>Emperors Return <12"> 1986 (85?)
>>To Mega Therion <album> 1986
>Tradic Serenades <EP> 1986 (Three remixed/re-recorded songs)
>>Into The Pandemonium <LP> 1987-88? (87)
>>Cold Lake <LP> 1989 (Maybe 88?)
>>Vanity/Nemesis <LP> 1990-91?
>Parched With Thirst I Am And Dying <comp> 1992 (old goodies, unreleased things,
>remixed/re-recorded stuff, and two new songs)
>>
>>"MT" is easily my fave, from "Into Crypts of Rays" to "Procreation Of The 
>>Wicked". Never had "Emperors Return". Just got To Mega Therion on disc,
>>very disappointed by the lack of packaging which the album had. Good 
>>LP, "Circle Of The Tyrants" is Great. "Into The Pandemonium" shows that
>>they were attempting to become more commercial or something. Kinda strange
>>album, with a lot of somewhat pointless experimentation. "Cold Lake" is
>>so ridiculous that I had to buy it, just to show it to my friends. Pretty
>>terrible attempt at a sellout, with really funny wardrobe for the band.
>>"Vanity/Nemesis" is supposedly a return to the "Morbid Tales" lineup, and
>>style, but I have never seen a copy. 
>>
>Most people seems to like MT, ER and TMT. MT and ER are available on one CD
>nowadays, I'm not sure if there are more songs on it than on the original
>EP's. A track listing, someone? (Of the EP's. I have the CD)
>Your copy of TMT didn't have any lyrics either? Damn, I know that they are
>somewhere out there. If someone is owns a copy of this album that has the
>lyrics, then type them in for Odin's (have to be original here) sake. NOW!
>
>"Into The Pandemonium" commercial??? It's almost too weird even for me...
>
>>Are you sure that they have broke up. I hadn't heard, and "Vanity/Nemesis"
>>isn't that old. They also have a Best Of collection out, title escapes me,
>>but it seemed to be drawn mostly from "Cold Lake" <ick!>.
>
>Last time (two months ago?) I saw something about the band they were about
>to release a new album, which Tom promised would be no less experimentive
>and progressive than "Into The Pandemonium".
>There are 3 tracks (of 14) from "Cold Lake" on the compilation, and...
>I like both "Juices Like Wine" and "Cherry Orchards"! Is there something
>wrong with me or are these songs the only two listenable?
>>
>>As for why they might have broken up, Martin Ain and Tom Warrior don't get 
>>along. Never really have. It was reported that Ain was going to reform
>>Hellhammer with Reed St. Mark, but St. Mark went to Mindfunk <I think>, and
>>Ain rejoined for "Vanity/Nemesis" with original drummer Steve Priestly.
>>They are pretty much gone now, however, due to the failed sellout of
>>"Cold Lake". 
>
>Martin and Reed to reform Hellhammer? That would be ridiculous, Reed was
>never in the band and Martin was not an original member.
>As I said, I don't think they have broken up and if they have it was
>very recently.
>
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I agree that it would be ridiculous to have Ain and St. Mark reform 
HellHammer, but Ain came into the band fairly early, if he was not an
original member and he plays bass on "Apocalyptic Raids". Nice to see
I am not the only one who likes "Triumph Of Death" at 45. Too bad you can't play
with the spped of CD's <Unless you have a Karoake unit...heh>.      

As for "Cold Lake", I think it is pretty ridiculous, and all the songs are
disappointing. I find "Cherry Orchards" pretty funny, though. What is the
track listing for the Compilation album, and where were the songs Drawn from?

I have access to an album copy of "To Mega Therion". I'll see if I can get
the lyric sheet...

I also meant that "Into The Pandemonium" was an attempt at being more commercial
than they had been previously. Sure, it gets kinda weird, but it is also
very self-indulgent. The songs that Martin sings, in that whiny high voice,
are nauseating. Then that guy Oliver something or other joined up on
backing vocals and Lead guitar, and they went further downhill.
I did see them put on a good show in Mpls. around that time though, and was
amazed at how SHORT Tom G. Warrior is. Don't be fooled by the photos, he 
can't be much over 5'6"!!!!

					--Judex--