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From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Subject: Re: Week from hell...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16278]: spop.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Organization: POPS Operations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:49:05 GMT

In article <204683@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr9.180354.15124@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
|> >even though she is relatively sure sea wasp will hate it
|> >kitten immediately goes into "mom mode" (just ask didi about kitten in
|> >mom mode) and starts fussing.  "i'll bet you are gaming to much,
|> >studying to late and not eating right.  she shakes her head and gets a
|> >cup of hot tea from the bar.  "drink this."  she wraps a rainbow
|> >covered afghan around the wasp...ignoring his growls.
|> 
|> 	"No, no, mom... er, Kitten. I've been STUDYING too much, eating 
|> too late, and not gaming right. Jeez." He accepts the hot tea meekly,
|> but squints suspiciously at the afghan. "I hope this thing is made
|> entirely of synthetic materials..." he mumbles, remembering that he's
|> allergic to wool, cotton, and any fur or hair...
|> 
|>                                  Sea Wasp
|>                                    /^\
|>                                    ;;;

   "Ack ! At least you can find out what the item is. My allergies
  are all food related. Whenever I go out to a restaurant, I wonder
  what affect it will have on me this time..." NickD. 

-- 
     pierce@navo.navy.mil  Jim Pierce aka Nick D.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: More Rhetoric
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 09:39:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.182220.7371@waikato.ac.nz>, rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.073037.21693@cco.caltech.edu>, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>
>> Hypothetical conversation:  "I KNOW it was Elvis I just saw in the 7-11.  I'll
>> bet you everything I own that it was HIM!"  "You're on!"
>> 
>  Okay so you've bet away everything you own (control), you now have 
>nothing and someone else has more than their share.

Why?  We entered freely into a contract, both knowing full well the terms of
the contract.  If I am stupid enough to enter into such a contract, what right
do I have to control the resources I lost?  By taking the resources away from
the control of an incompetent, why hasn't the person with whom I made the bet
EARNED the right to control additional resources?

>You ARE still entitled to compensation.

From whom?  I've just demonstrated that I'm not competent to control resources. 
Who, if not me, is supposed to pay for my incompetence?  That'd be like giving
Lee Iacocca another high-paying executive position.

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Ariane)
Subject: Re: Giving unasked-for advice (was Re: All mind and no heart?)
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:01:39 GMT

"On this subject, I'm utterly useless at not giving advice, and
I'm even worse at working out whether or not the advice was a good 
idea, but I am very good at noticing how I take advice. It is always
in one of two ways. I either get hysterical and cry my eyes out, or
I get furious and tell them they are dead wrong, and don't understand
etc etc. But a couple of days later, whne I am rational, I ALWAYS
rethink the advice. Then I decide whether it was good or not. Granted
it isn't always a couple of days, it may be months at worst, but eventually
I will take notice. I guess this may be why I can never resist giving
advice, it's too easy to judge other people by my own standards. Not
everyone reacts the same way as me though, I keep trying to tell myself
this, but...."

Shonias


--
**********************************
It's no good you pretending
There'll be no happy ending,
I'm alive and darkness is my tool.
**********************************
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera

In article <1992Apr10.220957.18575@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Galadin (Craig Linderoth)) writes:
>>	I would bet you anything that the majority of women who went through
>>this process would, if turned down, resort to back alley and coat-hanger 
>>abortions.  That is what history has shown us; that is what happens.  Would 
>>you be able, morally, to accept the risk to the mother in this scenario?
>
>	Well, I don't feel morally responsible for iv drug users who get AIDS
>and die.

What if you had denied them access to bleach for their needles?  THAT's the
relevent comparison.

>Now I may feel sorry for them, but not responsible.  Why should
>abortion be any different.  If it is against the law and someone decides to do
>it anyway, I should feel responsible?  Let me ask you, are you responsible for
>all the drug related deaths.  If so, then this is a moot issue since we all
>have this blood on our hands.  Before you try to say that this is not the same
>case, why not?  The drug user is choosing what he does with his body.  The
>problem is that he can hurt soceity by doing so, especially if these drugs
>cause serious enough damage to his thoughts that he kills someone else.

Actually, the more likely reason for a drug user to commit a crime against
someone is that the government regulations force artificially high prices for
drugs.  This means that it's more difficult to support a habit.  A considerable
percentage of "drug-related crime" would go away were it not for the "war on
drugs."
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: A business major catching up.
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:38:53 GMT
	<1992Apr12.114338.25001@cco.caltech.edu>
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

"Well said, StM," says the Mandelbear.  "I've been at several
companies that were ruined by high-level management that simply didn't
understand the business they were in.  The problem with the typical
MBA course is that it teaches people that they can manage *anything*
without having to know anything about it but the short-term numbers.
In Engineering we call these people 'bean counters', because that's
all they know how to do.  Of course people get reduced to numbers,
too, and R&D is ignored because it's essentially impossible to
associate a particular piece of research with a particular pile of
beans, and besides the results usually don't show up for several
years, which is outside the average bean counter's event horizon."
--
\ --Steve Savitzky--  \ ADVANsoft Research Corp \       FREE CYBERIA!      \
 \ steve@advansoft.COM \ 4301 Great America Pkwy \ Committee for a Free and \
  \ arc!steve@apple.COM \ Santa Clara, CA 95954   \  Independent Cyberspace  \
   \__ steve@arc.UUCP _________408-727-3357___________________________________
From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: How I got my nickname (was Re: A short, uninteresting story.)
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:48:50 GMT
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Insanity Etc.


	"Well, 'Snark' as a name has a fairly dull story... I picked
it just last August on my own, for the Carrollian reference.

	"But my previous nickname in high school, and to a lesser
extent in college, was 'Scooter'.  (I don't use it anymore simply
because I associate it with a younger me, not because I dislike the
nickname, particularly.)

	"I was on the high school freshman soccer team.  One day we
had an away game in some far-off town, and on the long bus ride over,
someone had the bright idea that everyone should receive nicknames if
they didn't have them already.  At the time, I wore brown plastic-rim
glasses, and bore a passing resemblance to the muppet 'Scooter', so,
being the smallest fellow on the team, I was dubbed thusly.

	"The odd thing is that, out of about 20 names given out that
day, perhaps 3 survived until we returned home, 2 for any length of
time whatsoever.  (Jeff was called 'Nick' for a few months, then it
faded.)  But my nickname somehow seemed so right-- even after I grew a
*bit* taller, and got contacts for a while, and no longer resembled
the original namesake-- that 'Scooter' just seemed to *fit*, and thus
stuck!

	"I even have a bit of immortality as 'Scooter', even though I
no longer use the name... in Peter David's ST:TNG novel _A Rock and a
Hard Place_ (#10), I'm on page 44, as (gag) a friend of Wesley's.
Mind you, the age and non-physical traits are totally different (in
real life I keep secrets quit well, thank you! :), but there I am.
Feel free to check it out... he put me in 'cause we talked for a while
at a con once.  Actually, a lot of people in rec.arts.comics have been
similarly immortalized, but most of *them* are admirals and whatnot.
Hmph!"

	Snark/Scooter grins and finishes his Killian.

-----
From a U. Chicago alumni letter sent to me:
"Was the University of Chicago a valuable and positive experience?
Are you a better person having gone there than, say, the U of
Michigan?"

Paul Andrew Estin, net.Snark, R.A.C.W.P., UCSFC F.C./K.S., F.C.S.
paul.estin@um.cc.umich.edu  or  esti@midway.uchicago.edu
214 Beakes St. (home)  330 Packard Rd. (work)  Ann Arbor, MI 48104
From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Natural Science, Natural Religion (was Re: Thoughts on Biblical...)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:52:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: NCoast.1992Apr15.165246.712
Reply-To: allbery@.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Apr14.073748.22303@cco.caltech.edu> by lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals):
+---------------
| In article <1992Apr12.142204.10704@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan) writes:
| >much worse consequences for our common sense concept of causality than it would
| >on physics - we've had the choice in physics to reject causality before and
| >we've refused it again and again because our common sense says otherwise.  But
+---------------

"Common sense" has some pretty severe problems with quantum theory, too.  If
*that* is the determining factor then you'd best stay tuned:  the show isn't
over yet.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        allbery@NCoast.ORG
Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself that...)
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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Alfvaen)
Subject: Re: balrog meets Tizrak !
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:33:41 GMT

Craig Linderoth writes
> >Alfvaen harrumphs.  (Always wanted to do that.)  "I don't see why we're  
> >continuing with this thread, when we have the potential to be talking  
> >about more current events.  I mean, we have the power..."

> 	Galadin can not understand why people would continue like this  
knowing
> watt the consequences would bring.  So Alfvaen guess watt! SPLAT  :)
> 

Alfvaen wipes snow off his face.  "Galadin!  You did it again!  Look!"   
Alfvaen pulls open an X-window of Edmonton.  "The snow was all gone Friday  
afternoon, and then what should happen Friday evening?  And all weekend?   
Another dump!  Watch with them snowballs, eh?"

--

---Alfvaen(and no, this isn't my real name!)
Canadian Network For Space Research, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
If you stand on your head, you will get footprints in your hair.
Current Album--She's Having A Baby Soundtrack
 "I know you have a little life in you yet
  I know you have a lot of strength left."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: GE.LJB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Louis J Bookbinder)
Subject: nothing much
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:17:08 GMT

Klunk

"Gads it is hard catching up!

"I am still 90 posts slow, sorry. But a few...

"Up, Soapbox! Thanx.

"Someone spoke of taking the abortion issue out of here until people
could start seriously talking about compromise. May I point out that Roe
v Wade WAS a compromise. The court could have ruled that abortion was
legal. Period. Instead it put a number of restrictions on it. But some
people do not LIKE compromises." He looks down at the soapbox. Not too
bad. He jumps off KLANK!

"Goodbye, Isaac, you were, and always will be, one of my heroes. A tin
man is, after all, not too different from a robot.

"I agree about the English teachers and proffs. Some of them can teach
the life out of literature. Shame! I find that I have sparked my little
girl's interest in literature greatly just reading to her, with no
academic comment at all. I plan to try to beat the schools to the punch
each year until she graduates - read to her for fun what the schools try
to read for "culture". Then she will KNOW the book while others try to
chew on the dry husks left by "experts".

"Hi to Mongoose, Boo, and Michael. Bye to Ray and Hawke and Jack Frost.
Meredith, glad you have a new account.

"Sorry I left out Danger Mouse's birthday, April 12.
"GO GETTEM TEAM!" <QUWAAAAAK> Stan flies down to Nick's had wondering
what all the excitement is about.

Nick Chopper - my opinion? ax not! LB>-}  GE.LJB@Forsythe.stanford.edu
From: ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rhetoric: The End of Morality in Society (?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:41:44 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Again just my $.02 
	On the suicide and assistance issue I do think that people should have
the right to kill themselves anytime they please.  but i think that it
shoudl only be given to people after they have had time to think it out.
 Perhaps set up suicide clinics.  People would sign up make an
appointment no lessx than one week in advance and then take a pill of
poison in such a large dose that it is garanteed fatal and then let them
die slowly and peacefully.  You could charge a nominal fee for the pill
or or have it subsidized by the gov on a need basis and perhaps have a
couple of quiet outdoorys settings to die in.  Unauthorized suicides
would be frowned on but permittedi would set strict limations on how
much help would bew allowable for the person wanting to die.  ie you
can't shoot them but you can give them a gunb and then leave the room
though if mental cruelty can be proved murder charges could follow.

	Now on the abortion issue, I am strongly pro-life while i realize this
is not a popular position i have only one thing to say about popular
positions.  "take out a loan and buy some balls!"  I digress, anyway I
just realized that in someways that the abortion debate is  much like
the American civil war.  The analogy is not appearant but it is one that
can be made.  In the american civil war the north was fighting to free
the slaves and the south was fighting for states rights.  While the
logistics nad numerics of the two situations are not identicle the
positions are fairly close.  In the civil war the north was fighting for
the rights of people viewed by the south to be less than human and
merely property, while the south was defending its right for each state
to decide what to do.
	Fade to a small famr shrouded in fog.  The sun begins to rise in the
east over a small barn adn a a sunken road appears in the distance.  As
the fog slowly burns off it leaves a metalic smell mixed with an oder of
rotting flesh.  hundreds of thousands of bodies lay where they fell
several deep.  This is antietam.  Lets not repeat the smae mistake twice.

"But I don't want to be a hero and don't give me that ours is not to
reason why stuff either."
Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender aka (ml5a@andrew.cmu.edu)
From: sally@romana.Tymnet.COM (Sally 'Lucky Bitch' Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: LB goes MIA
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:45:58 GMT
Organization: None

The Lucky Bitch enters the Place, very depressed. Murdock isn't even with her.

Foregoing a drink, she says, "Remember a couple of weeks ago when I said
things were going too well and I expected disaster to strike?

"Well, it has. I've just been informed that this account is going away
in 3 HOURS and 15 minutes, so by the time most of you read this, I'll
be gone already.

"I expect to get a new account somewhere soon, I mean SOON, but it
will probably take a couple of weeks. Any suggestions of where to get
one gratefully accepted, BTW. If it's important, call me.

"So, here I am going ABEND." She walks over and writes "LB and Murdock"
on the MIA list. From somewhere, sunglasses, a leather jacket and a big
gun appear and as she walks out the door, she says in a bad Austrian
accent: "I'll be back." Fast Eddie plays a funeral march for her.

Not-so-Lucky Bitch

--
Sally Smith (510)790-0608
"Don't investigate this too closely." -- Don Bellisario, re: "Quantum Leap"
From: vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Galloping across the meadows
Date: 2 Apr 92 16:52:20 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


   For some reason the brumby is still about at 3am his time. He notices
that several people have disappeared through the french doors which once
had a pirate ship. This time there is no smell of salt water, rather it
smells of....

   Grass! Lots of green grass. The brumby whickers softly, already he seems
to feel himself getting fatter. He heads towards the doors, in a bar that
is big enough for dragons and spacecraft he has plenty of room to build
up to a canter which ends in a leap through the doors and into the middle
of the picnic.

   Into the middle all right! But having a hoof print in it isn't going to
change the taste of that cake is it? And all that bread that's been knocked
onto the ground would be just right for a horse to eat. Somehow the former
owners of the food aren't convinced so the brumby just snatches up as much
of the bread as he can fit in his mouth and trots off out of reach.

   The brumby doesn't go far, too much of this green grass is begging to
be eaten. Soon his grazing carries him across to where Panther is eating.
Some instinct prompts him to look up, straight at a huge, horse-eating,
carnivorous Tree-Climber! The brumby squeals and bolts towards the lake,
startling the swans of all colors. (But none of the them like the swans on
the river Ogygia.) (I defy anyone to pick up *that* reference.)

   After a short while the brumby is just overcome by the sheer joy of being
able to run free even in VR. He leaps into the air and kicks out, throwing
himself into his fastest gallop as he hits the ground. No more being
trapped in terminal labs and classes, no more finding the only chance to
be outside the two hour walk between campuses alongside a six lane highway.
The clear air flushes his head and lungs free of the traffic fumes which
are slowly destroying his oddly sensitive sense of smell. The grass flashes
past, longer strands whipping against his fetlocks. His muscles strain to
keep his hooves pounding against the ground. His breathing becomes heavier
as he pushes himself up the slope ahead. The only focus is his run for the
sake of running. The silver-grey stallions mane and tail stream out
behind him and his hooves cut deep into the soft earth. Below him the ground
levels and he finds himself on top of the hill he set out to climb. He
rears and paws out at the sky. A scream of challenge to all the world can
offer rings across the hills and plains.

   For a few moments he is truely free.


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of      vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (till Apr 13)
      the Silicon Plains           brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Subject: Re: They're coulomb to take me away, ha ha, hee hee, ho ho
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:18:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans

As quoted from <1992Apr3.201403.28461@cco.caltech.edu> by lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals):
+---------------
| In article <1992Apr3.060908.29877@lrmsc.loral.com>, salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850) writes:
| >"IC that my delicate ears don't have the capcitance to resist this current
| >flow.  I'm out of phase and amp sure to need grounding before this circuit
| >is complete.  I'm wafering on the edge of reluctance and this situation needs
| >to be rectified by admittance to the home for transient punsters." 
| >Turning to toe the line, SEA throws her glass into the fireplace and says,
| >"May we all reach a steady state soon."
| >
| >(Okay, tell me how many puns you found!)
| 
| I'll admit that I counted fourteen.  Of course, my susceptence to this sort of
| thing might be high enough to impede my recognition of some of the puns. 
| Really, I ought to work on it Faraday or so, or possibly mho, before claiming
| to have tallied all the accumulated puns.
+---------------

I counted 18 including one in the subject line.  (No, I won't point them out!)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        allbery@NCoast.ORG
Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself that...)
From: brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Scorpio's (was Re: Mundanity)
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:03:52 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


   The brumby may have gotten himself into a corner of sorts.

>kitten says, "well, scorpios are supposed to be the most passionate
>sign  of the zodiac (after pisces of course, since we have all the
>BEST qualities of all eleven of the rest of the signs....:)....)

>is this true?"

   "Um. Well, I am probably not the best person to ask, rather, you
should ask someone who knows me. Of course at 5am like now I am not
really going to be passionate about anything."


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
      the Silicon Plains

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer)
Subject: My vision of the abortion battle in general, not in Callahans.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:51:26 GMT


     My view of abortion "debate"
  
    "It's MURDER!!!!!"
    "NO IT ISN'T!  So you just want to ruin lives because they dont' conform
to YOUR standards of morality?"
 
(bark, bark, bark, yip, growl, quack yelp MOOOOOOOO!)
(People acting like animals, in other words)
 
    "Okay, so it's clear that we aren't going to decide anything. . . so,
since we can't be SURE, we really ought to let abortion be legal, because
otherwise you are tying to force your morals down OUR throats.  We just want
EVERYONE to live by their OWN standards, not someone elses."
 
  "Waitaminnit!  IF we aren't SURE it's NOT murder, we HAVE to stop the 
possible murder of an innocent child!"
 
    (Bark bark bark. . . )
 
      What bothers me is that NEITHER side seems to consider the OTHER side.
Ever.  At all. . . that people are objectified in to members of the evil
'other side'.  But I dunno.
 
    This is not a comment on ANY argument I've seen here (I haven't had time
to read them.)  Just a comment on the issue and the people in general. . .
and an attempt to provide the best arguments of both."

-- 
"Love is cool; I mean, like, really cool.  Like, the coolest thing in
the universe, where, like, people open up inside and show the world how
they feel, and they ain't afraid someone's gonna laugh because they, like,
love themselves already!"  --Personality 42, a generic 60's philosopher 
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