From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
Subject: Mr. Hicks Little World of X400
Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:04:43 GMT


I replied to two articles in this newsgroup this morning, with 
the following results in e-mail. I know these attmail messages 
are costly as at an IEEE meeting a few months ago, the speaker 
from AMOCO discussed the costs associated with delivery of an
X400 message 2K long costing corporate (read high volume) 
customers about 80 cents a pop. The US Postal Service suddenly
begins to look really good after all.....

Offhand it appears to me that X400 didn't distinguish the real
sender from the "From" line which appears in the article header,
and as a result, the error message came to me instead of to the
originator of my articles as mail. (Anonymous daemon ????)

Does anyone know who this Hicks character might be ? :-)

The error message follows, for those who are interested. Others
just skip on to the next article. The entire problem of electronic
identification of a name and address in unique yet simple terms is
a real frontier problem, yet to be resolved. Amoco, for example,
with a base of only 30,000 new e-mail accounts had to add a bogus 
field to differentiate the few name duplications in their small set 
of unique identifiers.

Commercial use of the net? X400 mail headers seem to imply that.

Bill Vajk

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-----------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------ Soft-Switch Ambiguous Names Report -----------------
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This report is the result of a recipient name which did not contain
sufficient information to uniquely identify a single entry in the
Soft-Switch directory.
 
Status was reported for CREATED.00000073 as invalid recipient
for the distribution X400.WVAJK.3415
whose Subject is Re: Verifying the Poster
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
The following information was provided as input:
 
 Soft-Switch DGN.DEN name :
   Destination Group Name   : CREATED
   Destination Element Name : 00000073
   Cluster Destination Group Name : (NO_DATA)
 
 Proper name :
   First name     : brad
   Middle initial : (NO_DATA)
   Last name      : hicks
   Generation     : (NO_DATA)
   Initials       : (NO_DATA)
 
 X.400 O/R name attributes:
   Country      : (NO_DATA)
   ADMD         : (NO_DATA)
   PRMD         : (NO_DATA)
   Organization : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 1   : 0205925
   Org unit 2   : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 3   : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 4   : (NO_DATA)
 
 Native name :
   (NO_DATA)
 
 Postal address :
   Street  : (NO_DATA)
   Town    : (NO_DATA)
   Region  : (NO_DATA)
 
 Telex : (NO_DATA)
 Fax   : (NO_DATA)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
Matching entry found :
 
 Soft-Switch DGN.DEN name :
   Destination Group Name   : X400
   Destination Element Name : BHICKS
   Cluster Destination Group Name : (NO_DATA)
 
 Proper name :
   First name     : Brad
   Middle initial : (NO_DATA)
   Last name      : Hicks
   Generation     : (NO_DATA)
   Initials       : (NO_DATA)
 
 X.400 O/R name attributes:
   Country      : US
   ADMD         : ATTMAIL
   PRMD         : (NO_DATA)
   Organization : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 1   : 0205925
   Org unit 2   : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 3   : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 4   : (NO_DATA)
 
 Native name :
   (NO_DATA)
 
 Postal address :
   Street  : (NO_DATA)
   Town    : (NO_DATA)
   Region  : (NO_DATA)
 
 Telex : (NO_DATA)
 Fax   : (NO_DATA)

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Matching entry found :
 
 Soft-Switch DGN.DEN name :
   Destination Group Name   : QM
   Destination Element Name : ABH2401
   Cluster Destination Group Name : (NO_DATA)
 
 Proper name :
   First name     : Brad
   Middle initial : (NO_DATA)
   Last name      : Hicks
   Generation     : (NO_DATA)
   Initials       : (NO_DATA)
 
 X.400 O/R name attributes:
   Country      : US
   ADMD         : ATTMAIL
   PRMD         : MASTERCARD
   Organization : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 1   : 0205925
   Org unit 2   : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 3   : (NO_DATA)
   Org unit 4   : (NO_DATA)
 
 Native name :
   (NO_DATA)
 
 Postal address :
   Street  : 12115 Lackland Road
   Town    : St. Louis, MO 63146
   Region  : (NO_DATA)
 
 Telex : (NO_DATA)
 Fax   : 314-275-6228

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