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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:26:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Stubb (a dub)

-
Because of the CD Club carelessly sending me Free CDs, I have an extra
copy of Mr Bungle on CD. This CD is up for trade - for anything such as
other CDs, tapes you have made, whatever. So let me know if you wanna
try out this funky-metal-guy-taking-a-dump-squeeze-my-macaroni-nick-
nack-paddie-wak-and-give-your-dog-a-boner stuff. It blows me away!

Damn, if I had just signed on this list, I would think that all of you
are a bunch of pothead MTV-watching poseurs. :-) Gary Hanley is front runner
for the Strangest Post of 1993 already, in my book. :-) That really caught
me off guard.
My policy on drugs is simple - Don't do 'em. Never have and never will.

It's funny how many of us hate MTV *so* much, but still wind up watching
it sometimes anyway.

Since last night, I have gotten several more replies about people being
interested in the compilation tape. We have over 20 people now! Keep it
comin'!

Seeya,
Gary
"Squeeze my macaroni, slop your face with my bologna"
- Mr Bungle
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:48:00 EST
From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      dreaming into net: those who are forgotten

       Waiting for an invitation?
            one of the harvesters
                      says their's room
                          for maybe just one more
                a year has passed since I wrote my note
          So Gather 'round me children
                because today
                         we are DEVO

            When I grow up
                                            come out to play
                    before my days are done
                                            in my atomic garden
                  I want to be
                                            come out to play
            I think
                                            in my atomic garden
                 the WIcKeD
                            calling
                                            come out to play
    i'm so happy
                                  to arrive
             I found my friends
      in my atomic garden
            It's a dead man's party
      and it will be
              like christmass day.

          Are we not Gods?
               of the Sea...
             They're in my head:
                 (a story I will tell)
                         a fisher-man
          (but boy could he play guitar)
         he took it all to far
                     in pools of maroon below

                 John
                      the fisher-man
                         shiney silver dollar on either eye
                           Ruled his world:
                 King Jeremy
           on an island lost at sea -oh-
              " Here I am
                  more lonelyness
                    yes, it's me
                        than any man can bear
                          take my hand
                             please rescue me
                               and you'll see
                                before I fall into despair -oh-

                                   EdD tHe MaDd
                           silence is to be forgotten(?)
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:22:14 EST
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Sunday morning & lousy lyrics

WORST lyrics?! What a rich vein of atrociousness!
1. The line, from a disgusting song in "Funny Girl," talking about the
lead character's breasts:
       "When a girl's incidentals
        Are no bigger than two lentils"
(Words can't describe the revulsion I feel..)
2. The Cowsills, 19 sixty some goddam thing or other:
   "Yummy yummy yummy,
    I've got love in my tummy"
ditto, like, fer shur
3. Much milder, but on the list: the entire supersubmoronic lyric of
"It Could Happen to You" The TUNE's amazing, the CHANGES wonderful, the
lyrics were crafted by a bozo in hell..

Ah, Hendrik, thank you.. I think.. for raising this meaty topic.
Michael
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:28:35 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV
              7 Jan 1993 18:26:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

gary the tape dude sez:
>It's funny how many of us hate MTV *so* much, but still wind up watching
>it sometimes anyway.

i don't think any of us *hate* emptv. we just think *hate* what they are
doing with it. video is a great medium, but it's being wasted on much of
what gets played on that station. not to mention emptv's idea of moving
towards a show-oriented format. blech.

with regards to the reverand's comments that a theme video destroys the
possibility of alternative interpretations, i concede that that can and
has happened. visual memory tends to be more vivid than aural memory.
but i'd rather at least have an idea of what the artist thinks the song
is about than five minutes of stage show. and regardless of what the
artist's intent of the song is, i can always interpret it as i will.

also, i think that a well-done video will be ambiguous enough that a
listener's interpretation is still possible.

woj
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:32:42 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New York City Opera Starts National Carmen Tour
              12 Jan 1993 19:53:21 GMT from <IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM>

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:53:21 GMT \"Imaging Club\" said:
>Here's the January and February schedule for the New York City Opera
>national tour of Carmen.
>
   <snip>
>
>23  Brooklyn, NY      Whitman Auditorium, Brooklyn College
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now that's a tough road date.  Think they can all find their way across the
Brooklyn Bridge?

-Scott "Bemused Ex-NY'er" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:56:48 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: One-hit wonders/Rain songs

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:26:00 CST Tom Buck said:
>Does anybody know of any one hit wonders that talk about rain?
>
>                                           ;-)
>

What we need to find is a one-hit wonder that talks about rain on a classical
"concept album" which contains a parental advisory warning label and is slated
for heavy rotation on MTV with Madonna lip-syncing the vocals. And Vinnie has
to play drums on it. Or not.

David
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:02:23 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Jackyl & Hyde
              6 Jan 1993 23:53:02 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:53:02 EST The Taped One said:
>
>Didn't Van Halen use a power drill at the beginning of the "Poundcake" video?
>Hehe..stay tuned, one of the ALLMUSICers sent that Jackyl song as one of his
>picks for the compilation tape. Maybe you'll all get to hear it.

Ohmygod... I actually managed to catch this during one of my brief excursions
through eMpTV-land. You know, years ago I read a review of George Thorogood
and the Destroyers album _Bad to the Bone_ which described it as having "buzz-
saw like intensity". Then I see this video, and this guy's got a buzz saw (and
it actually didn't sound too different from some of the sounds George makes!),
and I'm just thinking to myself "No way. No WAY. WAY, dude!" That video, for
me, will always be an unintentional parody of Thorogood. (Speaking of whom, I
heard a song on the radio from his latest album. I couldn't tell the difference
between it and any of his stuff. Same damn song.)

I'd like to see a double bill - Jackyl and chainsaw on stage, with My Bloody
Valentine, heh heh heh :-)

Paul
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:34:23 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: school
              4 Jan 1993 11:38:29 CST from <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>

I agree nearly completely with what Michael said about the issue of rock
music being treated from a purely lyrical standpoint, and I have never really
understood this kind of focus. It's especially hard to understand when you
consider that the lyrics to many great songs - well, don't necessarily just
suck rotten eggs, but don't exactly hold up very well, either chronologically
or analytically. The only time I remember encountering any study of rock music
in an academic context was in the 7th grade, in an English class. We studied
'Bridge Over Troubled Water' and one other song (not that Donna Summer song
that Steve Allen raved about ;-). Of course, as part of an English class, it's
appropriate, especially for a few songs (of which BOTW is a good example), to
study the lyrics sans music. But only a very few songs hold up this way, and I
would venture that most, or at least many, of these belong more to the folk
tradition than the rock tradition. (Boy, is that a line to walk - what's rock,
folk, folk/rock etc. - blur the boundaries I say, but for the purpose of this
post I gotta draw one :-)

I think the Police are one of the best bands in rock history. Did they have
great lyrics? Sometimes yes, usually not, but that's not what defined them.
How many rock bands are defined by their lyrics? It's usually the case that if
a band consistently has good lyrical content that they become known as a bit
an oddity in rock 'n' roll - the "thinking man's" band label, etc. Rush, Blue
Oyster Cult, and a few other bands that have consistent intelligence in their
lyrics are still known as much for their musical skills, however. I think that
part of it (and I'm just going on a spur of the moment thought here) may be
that lyrics tend to be a little more of an individual effort which require the
focus or passion of one person, while the music is more of a collaborative
effort, so that *bands*, as opposed to solo performers, tend to have more of
a focus on the music and their 'sound', while singer/songwriters can have more
freedom to focus on lyrics without dealing with a guitarist/drummer/bassist
etc. who wants to do something more with the music. Obvious example: Bob
Dylan. (Once again, into the folk tradition.) Obvious counter-example: Peter
Gabriel. (Who comes from a band background.)

Hmmm. Gotta think a little more on that.

Paul
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From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gales mystery

 Date:          Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:12:59 CST
 From:          Leonard Watkins <ISTS024%UABDPO.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
 Subject:       Re: Gales mystery

> you discovered them (admit it). So i almost got P.G.'s SO cd would this one be
> a recommended one..?...If so i'm gonna get it....Derek Trucks (hype again) is

    Actually, I might reccomend _Shaking the Tree_ as a good intro
into Peter Gabriel.  SO is good, but STT provides a wider range of
styles and includes "Solsbury Hill" which is my favorite PG tune
(have I mentioned this?).



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Rev. Dave Hall                |  "It's not the voting that's
usts060@rust1.dpo.uab.edu     |   democracy, it's the counting.
                              |     -- Tom Stoppard
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:06:12 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Copulation Tape..+

Would it be a good idea to have the "regular"  Allmusic comp tape, plus
since alot of people would like to send their own "works/masterpieces",
have a "comp" tape of the Allmusic Artists. I for one would like to get a
copy of both.

Can anyone recommend some more Hank Crawford..? I have Groove Master and
another with Mcgriff(sp) I can't recall the name.

I called Noteworthy months ago and requested a catalog, but i haven't heard
from them, could someone please send me the number again.

A friend's daughter broke a string on her guitar last night and asked for help
replacing it. She has one of those Ibanez 4x4 Turbo Enviromentally Safe Locking
Nut and Floating Trem kinda like guitars. I never had so much trouble changing
a string in all my life...I had a Kramer for a few days that had this thang
but a young man showed up with a BLANK check from his mother to purchase it
so i sold it (just for the record i gave him a good deal), anyway are these
locking critters worth the trouble..(she doesn't even have the trem arm on it)
Advertising works..........L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:27:20 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Thread....
              "mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Jan 5, 93 08:39:32 pm

Marsha shamelessly lays the bait:
> When I used to do radio, we had a music marathon (88.5 hrs of straight
> music!) Some of the late-nite hours were called "Waste of Vinyl". Our
> Station Supervisors would play some of the really crappy stuff we had in
> the library for as long as they could stand it, then rip it off the
> turntables and break the record on the air (can you tell how long ago I did
> this show???Vinyl????) Anyway, I'm curious what you folks would nominate as
> wastes of vinyl....or magnetic tape, or whatever CD's are made
> of......Should give you something to think about at work....

Hehe. I'll tell you what. Go find yourself this weeks listing of Billboard's
Top 40. That'll give you a good head start. 8)

Ok, Ok, I'll admit it. Therte's probably a couple of good ones hidden in there
somewhere.

I was driving by the local Strawberries when I was grabbed at the roots of
my wallet by a sign that said "SALE." I decided to pick this opportunity
to waste another $70 I don't have (Hiya Chase Manhattan!). Shhhh! They
don't know that I'm moving!

I picked up:
Joe Ely _Love and Danger_
King Crimson _Lizard_
Carlos Santana and John Mclaughlin _Love Devotion Surrender_
Richard and Linda Thompson _Shoot Out the Lights_ (MHB is bankrupting me!)
Black Sabbath _Paranoid_  (to replace a 15 year-old cassette)
Robert Fripp and the Crafty Guitarists _Live_

I'll post some ditties once I break them in a little more.

-Adam
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:03:55 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: New York City Opera Starts National Carmen Tour

>[Carmen performances...]
>18  Portland, ME      City Hall Auditorium

Nice place to see a performance, at least it used to be, I haven't been
there in a while.  It's actually an auditorium *in* the City Hall.  Unusual.

Russ
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:59:02 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Stuff (Pithy Subject Line # 352)

Comp tape:

I'd say go for the 3-pack.


Ken's Beer Query:

The best non-homebrew American beer I've had was Samuel Adams Winter Lager.

I'm making this quick as I am about to pack up the computer. I'm leaving
tommorow morning on the 800 mile drive to North Carolina. I'll probably be
back online Monday night or Tuesday.

Here's the bunch of CDs I picked to listen to during the trip:


Steve Coleman and the Five Elements: Drop Kick
Allman Bros.: An Evening with...
Arc Angels
Tom Waits: Bone Machine
           Frank's Wild Years
Eagles: Greatest Hits I
Phish: Junta
       Lawnboy
       Picture of Nectar
Marillion: Season's End
Spin Doctors: Pocket Full of Kryptonite
               Homebelly Groove Live
Jethro Tull: A Little Light Music
Van Der Graff Generator: World Record
Black Sabbath: Paranoid
               Sabotage
TNR: The Chessboard
Tangerine Dream: Logos Live
                 Force Majeure
Asia: Aqua
John Mellencamp: Whenever We Wanted


Catch y'all later <- Practicing the southern drawl


-Adam
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:15:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: Saving up your Xmas money

Holy batshit, my list got out already? I was having all kinds of transfer
problems moving the doc from Windows to MCIMail, and I guess I must've
sent it earlier my mistake. Well, I finally figured out what I was doing
wrong tonite and resent it. Sorry 'bout that.

Regards,
   -- Gary
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:41:14 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      um, excuse me?

>>Whenever you hear new music which does not fulfill your sonic
>>expectations (hello, Bloomdido!), you have to go through a certain
>>period of getting used to it.

>Amen! This is true at times even for bands whose work I've dug in the past,
>and who didn't even necessarily change that much. Our brains just have to
>be trained a little bit sometimes - I don't expect to read tomes on heavy
>philosophical ideas and immediately understand them, why should I expect that
>of music?

  Wait a second, wait a second....  Didn't you and I have this argument
once, with you taking the *opposite* position?

>This is an excellent analogy! In making this argument a month or two ago, I
>used an analogy of reading a foreign language (and someone pointed out the
>lameness of that analogy - I forget who), but this is much better. Like I
>said then, our brains do a lot of 'pattern recognition', and when we don't
>recognize a pattern we have difficulty obtaining meaning or even seeing the
>individual elements in something that make it a whole.

  Now I *am* confused.  That was the same argument.  But *someone* was
arguing the Lenster's side of the story....

                        -Tim
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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: so far, even better
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:59:40 GMT

Sportin' a Woodie <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> writes:

>...and anyone else I failed to notice in the list of addresses...

This again raises a question I've asked myself various times in the past.
I sometimes get the impression that you AMers think that the only people
reading the list are those that appear in the subscribers-list.  So I've
often wondered if you're all aware of the fact that this list is also
accessable thru USENET's NetNews -- meaning that at (at least) some sites
one can read the newsgroup "bit.listserv.allmusic" without having to be a
subscriber.  So the audience is probably a 'bit' larger than some of you
think...
Did you all know already and do I underestimate your knowledge, or is this
news for some of you?
Not that I think it will make any difference -- at least the fabulous miss
L.Doe probably won't care about her personal revelations being world-wide
read by maybe thousands of men... ;*)

Hendrik "just wondering" Jan


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:24:12 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: ALLMUSIC Awards / Dream Theater

Gary is confused -

>From: mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU at INTERNET 1/1/93 8:33PM (907 bytes: 18
>Subject: Re: Santa, are you listening?
>
>>Gary, darlin'
>
>>>OK, Santa, I hope you're listening. Here's what I want for Christmas.
>>>
>>>The new Dream Theatre,
>
>>You totally made my day! I love Dream Theatre, but I'm biased - my best
>>friend from summer camp's older brother is Michael Portnoy. I'll have to
>>tell her that someone mentioned DT on this list!!!!!
>
>Are we talking about the same Dream Theatre? (Actually, that should be
>'Theater'). The one I'm talking about (and the one I thought Mr. Bloom was
>talking about) is a hard rock / metal band. Their new album is called
>_Images and Words_.

What, you think that just because I like a cappella , I don't like anything
else? I've known about and liked DT for a long time! Like I said, I know a
guy in the band! Yes, they are hard rock, but I've never really thought of
them as metal. I'm not as sweet and innocent as I seem y'know.....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:44:52 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV

Triple m-ster sez:

> Here's a thread for ya:  For those who watch MTV and hate it, what
> videos would you like to see on there to give MTV a kick in the ass?
>
> Here's mine:
[ lotsa good stuff deleted ]

> 6.  "Eleanor Rigby" sequence from _Yellow Submarine_
> 7.  "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" sequence from _Yellow Submarine_

      Well, I don't hate MTV, and I also don't watch it, so I guess I
don't qualify for this thread. But since you mentioned this, I recall
that my first reaction to the movie (_Yellow Submarine_, that is) was
that of a total delight, except for exactly those two pieces you named
above. See, I used to think that there was so much in those songs, that
any video would necessarily restrict one's perception to particular
images... Anyway, if I remember it right, LSD visual attempts were quite
lame (my <visual> vocabulary is not developed enough to support my point
of view, sorry). I got used to "Eleanor Rigby" eventually, and even got
to like it (you know, the music is kinda nice :)), but I think it should
have been all black & white - the little color that they threw in hurts
my eyes. Anybody else thinks this way?

    Back from my Russian days - they used to show some European stuff -
I can recall that Tears For Fears' "Sowing The Seeds Of Love" was
moderately swell, with a nice blend of animation and real people (in
that case - the infamous duo) - the Roger Rabbit kind of thing, but more
artistic. Sometimes mediocre bands have nice videos, like Duran Duran's
_All She Wants Is_... (I'm all ready to jump into a cold lake) ...
Yeah, and Happy Mondays' videos, though nothing special, were very
appealing due to their highly-developed taste in gorgeous women (hey,
I mean *taste* :)). Although now that I think about it, probably half
of modern British bands have videos built from a similar scenario...
Forget about Happy Mondays... 11:36! Gosh, it's been a long day!!!
What about the animation in _The Wall_ - do you find it too explicit?

In any case, for some strange reason, I still prefer to see the
actual band playing.

> 8.  the complete video of "Strawberry Fields Forever", The Beatles

        Could you, please, say more?

             Ilia.
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