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From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: GUS 2.4 board?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.080507.9247@cc.umontreal.ca> lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel) writes:
>
>	I just saw someone posting about a 2.4 revision of
>GUS board; is this board really different from the 2.2
>revision, or it is just a re-worked board to take less
>components? I would like everyone to take a look at
>'ragtime.mid' midi-file found in archive.epas.utoronto.ca
>to check if there as much static as I have on my GUS.

Some of the patches sound good during the attack, but then
get staticky a little into the note.  I hope that these
will be redone.

>After a meeting with Francois Dion, we ended up with the
>fact that some of GUS patches truly need to be re-worked as some
>of them (noticiably acpiano1.pat) brings static and/or clipping
>when playing a note with a high volume or playing many notes
>at the same time. But, in general, the drumkit is incredible from
>some of the .mid files I have here, just hear the drum
>part of 'justify.mid' on media player (on playmidi, its being
>played only on the right speaker, dunno why). 

I did the conversion for that song from justify.rol, and I was
fooling around with the panning, not knowing that the Windows
drivers were only in mono.  I panned the drum track to the right,
but since I didn't notice any difference in Windows, I forgot to 
pan it centre again.

>Saxophones need
>to be revamped but sound generally good (those patches are
>the most difficult with the acoustic piano to create IMHO).
>
>	I posted a message to GUS Digest about it, so
>just take a look at it BTW.
>
>	After some testing with module players for Windows
>on my 486, WinMod PRO (dispite some major bugs) sounds
>the greatest (I'm an ex-Amiga user, die-hard of Amiga sounds),
>and I can assure you that at 22khz, WMP shines... (ok, I don't
>know if a 386 can deliver this speed w/o bringing Windows to a crawl,
>but on my system, its ok . . . sorta)
>
>	All in all, dispite _some_ really bad patches (on
>the MIDI side of the card), the GUS is a damn good beast,
>and hopefully Gravis will (I truly hope) fix the patch problems,
>and some third-party programmers will bring out module players for 
>Windows and DOS that will take advantage of GUS' capabilities... There
>must be a way to avoid the CPU mixing and let GUS do all
>the dirty job... Even with a 486/33, my Windows slow-down
>noticiably when playing a mod-file...
>

Windows MOD players still do all the mixing in software, so they'll
slow down the system even when used with the GUS.  A game like Star
Control II plays MOD files, but uses the GUS's mixing hardware
instead, and shows what could be done when developers start supporting
the GUS in its native mode.

Phat.
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From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS publicity ....  NOT !
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:28:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <markus.280.723921663@clement.info.umoncton.ca> markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:
>
>	Did you actually hear the board?  With HardBall3, Leisuire Suit 
>Larry 5, The Prophet Of Ween, etc.  Those games sound BETTER than the 
>original SB with the SB emulation.  And there are more...  Just listen to 
>the "Veil Of Darkness" demo on the GUS.  Absolutely incredible.  Full stereo 
>and impressive music.  And it's only the SB emulation.           ^^^^^^^^^^^! 
>
>|            markus@info.umoncton.ca          | "My son, ask for thyself    |


Hey yeah!  I've noticed STEREO sounds coming from SBOS too.  Does this mean
that is is emulating the SBPro now too?  The SB is only mono, right?


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From: moser@ks.id.ethz.ch (Stefan Moser)
Subject: Re: SB-16
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.183400.8808@ichips.intel.com>, smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
|> 
|> According to creative Labs; the sb-16 won't be releases till Jan 93...so where
|> did you get yours?
|> Stephen

They sell it for about 450$ (gulp) in Switzerland. They only had one piece 
in the store where I saw it though. Maybe they just sell their evaluation copy 
or something.

Stefan
From: bjke@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Bjoern Kettner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: trouble with ati/sfx
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:49:13 GMT
Organization: Studenten-Mail, Rechenzentrum Universitaet des Saarlandes
NNTP-Posting-Host: sbustd.stud.uni-sb.de

if this card is inserted in a 16-bit slot , the systemtakt of my
486/33 will reduced to 21 Mhz. in a 8bit slot only 3 mhz.
can someone help me why my comp will make this.

send messages to bjke@std.uni-sb.de
tanks..

From: yoshida@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Stuart Yoshida)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:54:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Why I'm not buying GUS yet!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: SB16 pricing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:17:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec18.214727.3011@cs.wisc.edu> mak@snake10.cs.wisc.edu (Wing Mak) writes:
>In article [me] writes:
>>	FYI, I've been poring throught Computer Shopper and there are at
>>least 2 mail order companies offering the SB16 for $189. YMMV.
>>								-Liz
>
>Can please post these two companies to the net?

	Further research has shown that neither of these two places actually
has the thing in stock and furthermore they can't guarantee the price as
advertised until Creative Labs acually ships the thing. One nice salesperson
told me that they had the same problem with the SBPro, they based their pricing
on the 200 item price, but Creative had more orders than cards so they limited
how many each company could order to 50, which means they had to buy at the
50 item price. Clever huh?
	They also expressed some surprise that anyone at all should have one
unless it's a beta cuz Creative hasn't shipped yet. Don't ask me, I just shop.
							-Liz



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From: cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters)
Subject: Re: GUS Temporal displacement.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.073432.16119@cs.hope.edu> turkstra@smaug.cs.hope.edu (Screwtape) writes:

>This is what I meant when I asked if the hardware is sophisticated 
>enough.  Does anyone have the answer to this?  I know the effects
>of temporal displacement on surround sound (The sound of echos from 
>the back of a concert hall being heard after the original sounds from
>the stage), but is much consumer quality equipment (Typical CD sound
>system) able to produce stereo sound with the effects of the speed of
>sound included.  To rephrase this, can a typical home quality CD sound
>system produce sounds with resolution fine enough to actually (somewhat)
>accurately reproduce displacement effects of a stereo recodring?  How
>about the typical recording equipment?  I'd pull out the books and 
>calculate how long it takes for sound to travel a heads distance,
>but I assume we can all agree we are talking about very small amount
>of time.
>	I guess the way this relates specifically to the GUS is whether
>a 44.1 sampling rate is fast enough to capture these times differences.
>-- 
>
>Chris Turkstra
>Turkstra@cs.hope.edu
>Traveling the Internet with a load not properly tied down.

Answering another part of the question:

I sell home video/audio/computers, and yes, even the low end CD players can 
reproduce temporal displacement, under the right conditions, with a decent,
middle of the line stereo system (i.e. not a $149 <10watt tabletop), set
up correctly (with the drivers [speakers] located properly).

Using a normal listening environment, it's nearly imposssible to distinguish,
unless you are sitting in the "sweet spot" where the speakers are able to 
create the needed waveform.  A good set of stereo headphones makes a better 
environment, although most people can not determine if the sound is located
in front or behind them.  I've yet to see a commercial version of a 
"surround headphone," though the Virtuality system uses a 4 speaker system
in their headset to give front/back information.

Unfortunately, the most popular method of producing music is to stick a 
microphone up to the instrument/singer or getting a feed from the instrument's
amp, then doing the stereo magic at the mixing board.  There have been some
items released which were recorded using a "human head microphone", which is
a sophisticated system using high-tech materials to create a head with
mics in both "ears."  The latest Michael Jackson (no I am NOT a fan) CD has
one or two tracks recorded this way.

(of course, this has little to do with soundcards, but I figure a lot of 
 people will be hooking this puppy up to a stereo.  The GUS should be able to
 do temporal displacement via software, if not hardware.)

-Coyt 

Hey Advanced Gravis! How about a daughterboard which will encode surround sound
onto the line out, so an amp with the decoder could give a PC real surround
sound?




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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: GUS patches and static
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:20:29 GMT

> I was wondering if the static (pops and crackles) with certain
> patches played loudly was merely a result of overloading the opamp
> on the GUS? Does the static persist if the line out was fed to an
> external, high- quality amp instead?

Yep it does.  I think it's either the patches or the ICS chip
just can't hack it.

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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:18:43 GMT

>         According to Gravis, the 32 mono voices can be either right
> or  left.  This is not stereo.  But the 16 stereo voices can be
> panned right or  left in _15_ different positions.  That's what
> they told me.
 
Thank You.  This is exactly what I've been trying to say.
From: gt3017a@prism.gatech.EDU (Guy Elden Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Wing Commander II and GUS
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:28:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


   I tried using WC2 and SBOS, but it ends up running slooooooooooowwwly. Much
slower than without sound.
 
   I am using the new SBOS, which I thought fixed this problem, but I guess
it doesn't. I can't load SBOS high, and have to have ems to get speech.

   If its because I have such a slow computer, a 386/20sx, then maybe Gravis
will consider in whatever update comes after this SBOS driver, making the
GUS do more of the work than the CPU.

maybe... anyways, anybody have it running fine on their systems?


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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: GUS Stuff
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:15:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.061901.19452@wam.umd.edu> adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir) writes:
>From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
>Subject: GUS Stuff
>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:19:01 GMT

>I have a GUS v2.2 which has been working great for a month or so now.  I
>have a concern, though, and was wondering if you call could offer insights
>as to the problem:

>I have found that when recording something from CD or from a Mic, I get
>a background hiss which is quite noticeable.  I played for a while, and
>found that the hiss is quite a bit louder when recording in stereo.  I
>have tried from 11 all the way up to 44khz (22 and 44 in stereo) and the
>hiss remains.  I have tried both playfile and USS8 to do the recording.

>Has anyone else noticed this?  Is there any solution?  Incidentally, 
>playing MIDI files, etc is PERFECTLY crystal clear on my GUS, so I
>don't think the noise is coming from the location of the card in my machine.


	Is your Mic. cable sheilded?  If not, the computer may be doing some 
interference (or even the monitor) on the Mic's cable.  The cable acts 
like an antena.  The Gravis Ultrasound is sheilded so there shouldn't 
be any hiss coming from the board.
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From: turkstra@smaug.cs.hope.edu (Screwtape)
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Organization: Hope College Dept of CS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:23:42 GMT

>>Definitely the GUS has 32 independently pannable voices but just
>>because they are independently pannable doesn't make them stereo, at
>>least IMO.
>>
> 
> If the GUS has 32 independently pannable voices , which now seems to be 
> the case, then we can place 32 voices anywhere between right and left.  
> I think that qualifies for 32 voice stereo.
> 
> Phat.

I hate to disagree but we must define stereo here.  Stereophonic sound
is the "use of two or more channels to carry and reproduce the sounds
from the directions in which they were recorded."  (Websters)  *SO* 1
stereo channel is actually 2 channels reproduced simultaneously.  
*THEREFORE*  The GUS is only capable of 11 stereo voices.  As fas as 
what SBOS does, I won't touch that, I haven't listened hard enough.  But 
if gravis says that it supports SBpro stereo, I'd believe it.  I'm 
not flaming (at all!!)  but this is a dictionary (and functional)
definiton of stereo. 

-- 

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From: francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez)
Subject: Re: GUS problems
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:14:06 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-17-92 12:07
[Concerning problems w/Star Control II w/GUS]

MEB<>>
MEB<>>How much memory do you have on your GUS?
MEB<>>
MEB<>>     -=* Bjorn :: bjornhk@sofus.dhhalden.no
MEB<>>   ACCESS DATA :: TEL: (+47)-9-17 50 48/61-97 311 FAX: 61-97 312
MEB<>>                  BBS: 61-97 304/97 94 945

MEB<>I have 1 meg of memory.  I know that this is a problem with StarCon, and I
MEB<>know that a fix is in the works...I was just trying to say that I got two
MEB<>different problems using two different DMA's.

I have 1 meg on my GUS and the only problem that appears is a static noise
after I move the cursor in the SAVE GAME or LOAD GAME section, and this
disappears after the game is saved or laoded.  Other than that, everything
sounds fine.  By the way, I'm also using an Opti chipset (don't know the
model #), and QEMM (I don't disable it for StarCon2).  My DMA is set to 7.

A strange thing happened when I was playing (Star Control II) a couple of
days ago.  I had loaded SBOS previous to playing, and I forgot to unload it
before playing Starcon2.  When the static appeared when I wanted to save a
game, I heard "SBOS installed" in the background.
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From: O10037@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Ray Hoff)
Subject: Computer Peripherals Sound Card
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:56:29 MST

I have been searching for a soundcard and I'm taking everything into
consideration.  I know that there are some serious GUS proponents that
subscribe to this net, but I need some real facts with basis ie. not
everything other than a GUS is crap!!!!!

I do like what I've been reading about the GUS, but the SBOS TSR sounds
like it still leaves alot to be desired.  Also  I've seen some postings
on the GUS's incompatability w/ DRDOS 6.0. Has this been verified? I
pose the question since DRDOS is the OS of my choice.

My main question, ie. the subject of this post, is has anyone else seen
or heard/used the Computer Peripherals Maestro sound card? It is
supposedly full SBPro, Adlib, Disney, and some digitized speech card
compatible.  It is fully software configurable and is a 8 bit board that
records at 22 Khz stero and plays CD's at 44Khz stereo.  It has true
RCA jacks (which I like).  At Price Club it is offered for $149 which
includes a pair of speakers (oh, it has a 5watt amp on board).  I almost
forgot that it MPC compatable and has a option for a SCSI interface.

I have a Computer Peripherals modem and I'm satisfied with its quality
and performance.

Thanks,
Ray
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From: francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez)
Subject: GUS programs
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:43:44 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-11-92 19:02
   I have the impression that a some of the users here have written some
programs for the GUS.  Since I can only access Usenet through a gateway from
calling a BBS, I don't have access to epas.utoronto.ca, and therefore the
files which are uplaoded there.

   I was wondering if someone who has access to RoseMedia (in Toronto) or
CRS could be kind enough to upload some of the programs there?

   I heard that Phat had written a front end for PLAYMIDI, and I heard from
somewhere here as well that there are some new patches...
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From: comptec90071@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: soundcard
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:49:00 GMT

I just bought the ATI Stereo F/X Multimedia Sound board, and was wondering
if there were any FTP sites that specialize in either VOC or WAV formats.
thanks
From: coleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael A. Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:22:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>>
>Does it really matter? How many programs actually support the SBpro? And when
>one does, can you *really* notice any difference in sound quality?
>-- 
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	Hmm... Wolfenstein 3-D, perhaps?  Doors, gunshots, and the like are in
stereo.  Deal with it pasty boy!

	Michael Coleman 
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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
Subject: ?'s about SB 16
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:54:41 GMT

Hello.

I just saw an ad for the SB 16 in the latest PC Mag and I have a few questions.

Is the CD-ROM interface proprietary?

It says that you can buy an optional "wave table synthesis" or something like
that.

Does anyone know what this is?

Is it like what the GUS has?
(ie-will it make it compatible with GUS games, or if it is the same 
technology, will a GUS be able to play games written for the SB 16's wts?)

Thanks.

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From: wyant@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Pat Wyant)
Subject: Re: Is the PAS-16 only for internal CD-ROM
Summary: MV Fusion bundles have external CD-ROM
Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:03:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.132516.4509@admin1.memst.edu>, jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
> Does the PAS-16 only have an internal connector for
> the CD-ROM.  I have notice that looking at the 
> Media Vision Pro 16 MultiMedia System that they come with an
> internal drive.  Do the PAS-16 only come with internal hook ups 
> on the card itself or do they have external.  Or do they have
> an option of coming with internal CD-Rom hook ups or external
> CD-ROM hook ups?

  Media Vision has recently released two bundles called Fusion with either
the PAS-Plus or the PAS-16.  Both of these bundles come with an external
CD-ROM drive and a pass-thru for the SCSI cable.  This pass-through is
custom designed to mate the internal 50-wire SCSI cable with an external
25-pin Apple connector used by many external drives.  It is just a piece
of metal with connectors, occupying a slot, that passes the SCSI and
audio lines (for audio from the player to the sound card) between the
inside and the outside.  This piece is part of the Trantor driver kit
and can be purchased separately from any CD-ROM drive for $80 (?).

  Since I have other SCSI devices that require a full functioning
SCSI interface, I have not pursued this route myself.


                                           Patrick Wyant
                                           Wilmington, DE 19880-0320
                                           wyant@eplrx7.es.dupont.com