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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Fan Fluff - a PS
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:33:32 GMT

In article GMB@ns1.nodak.edu, stanley@plains.NoDak.edu (Brian Stanley) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.193033.2872@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> jmars@mta.ca writes:
> >-Jen
> >-Shandra@PernMUSH
> >
> >Pet Peeve of the Day: If Asimov is Asimov and Heinlein is Heinlein,
> >why do people call McCaffrey Anne? 'Course it is shorter...:-)
> 
> Shandra, you silly!  It's because we love her! :)
> 
> -Brian
> -Brendon@PernMUSH


I always called asimov . Uncle Isaac . even when i met him and spock to him for a half an hour. was the greates treat i ever had. the man was phominal. and will be greatly missed. i was so glad to have had that conversation with him. by the by it was not about books or anything like that i left that for the forum it was about life and how he was getting along. 
great man. (also very perverted - may the gods bless him for that)
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Betweening
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:05:54 GMT

julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang) writes:

>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> (I always wondered how arriving teleportees
>avoided the problem of assimilating N2 and O2 throughout their bodies.)

*grin* I've dealt with this one before. Humans (and I suppose dragons)
are mostly water, and water takes in O2 and N2 fairly easily...
theire temperature would rise a little (no loss after Between), but
thats all.

Eccles
From: bnash@sneetch.acs.calpoly.edu (Barb Nash)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...and thanks!
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:12:01 GMT
Organization: What's that? =-)

morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett) writes:
>rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
>>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>It was brought up that Kitty Ping had instilled a 
>>descriminating element in her program which made Golds *unable* to chew
>>firestone.  They just barf (and I'm quoting!) grey mush.
>
>Ew, Pern mush.

*GROAN*  *thwap!* 

Some people...=-)

Barb Nash
bnash@drseuss.acs.calpoly.edu
Janera@PernMUSH
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From: elparr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ellen Louise Parr)
Subject: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:37:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Sorry if this has been asked a thousand times...but can or cannot
green dragons reproduce?  My friends and I are under the
impression that they can as long as they have not eaten
firestone, but I have heard that they are born sterile.  I can't
find anything in the Dragon Lover's Guide, and I don't remember
anything in the books that says they are born sterile...I was
told that it may have been mentioned in DragonsDawn, but my copy
is out on loan...

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Tanna, Rider of Gold Lauraeth, Sr. Weyrwoman of Ista@DragonsFire MUSE
And all around lovable person! :)

     
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: kfarmer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (keith farmer;S10000)
Subject: Re: Dragonflight comic
Keywords: comic Eclipse any good?
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:51:12 GMT

DF comic? Have #s 1 and 2. Waiting for #3... I like the artwork...
;)

Konnel @PernMUSH, SouCon, etc...

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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs... 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90c (ka9q DIS 1.18, CC 1.18c)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:06:03 +0000


In article <6525@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk writes:

> Did someone say Ann has Email access.. if so doesn't she have `news'
> access??

Anne has email access on CompuServe.  You can get there via InterNet,
but UseNet doesn't (well, a few groups do, but not most).  She also
doesn't have *time* to read the newsgroups (hell, *I* don't have time -
it takes me around 4 hours a day just to go through the few groups I
take, plus CompuServe, plus another system...).

I believe that the explanation of why green dragons aren't fertile (but
green firelizards are) is that it's a bug in the genetic structure -
ISTR that in DragonsDawn it said that golds couldn't chew firestone (by
design - Kitti Pring didn't want them getting injured fighting Thread),
and that greens were intentionally sterile as they would only produce
smaller dragons anyway.  By 9th Pass, the myth had grown up that greens
were infertile *because* they chewed firestone (F'lar makes a comment to
the effect of "It's a good thing greens aren't fertile otherwise we'd be
overrun with small dragons"), but that's ignorance on the part of the
people...

On a related topic, what (human) birth control is available on Pern?
Lessa mentions that "The hold girls are convinced it's immoral to abort"
- how do they do abortions?  There's no invasive surgery on Pern.  Is
there a natural drug?  How about prevention - is there a natural
contraceptive drug?  (There is in Valdemar, but that's a different
universe).  The 'rhythm' method won't work, when a dragon could rise at
any time...

Chris

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*  chriscr@cix.compulink.co.uk  *  FIAWOL (Filking Is A Way Of Life)  *
*  100014.3217@compuserve.com   *                                     *
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From: bp2f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Beth Picknally Camden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Fan Fluff - a PS
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:46:26 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

I would love to find out about Pern fan activities in the "real"
world.  Do groups have "gathers"?  Go in costume?  Serve Pernese food?

If Anne will be speaking (especially in the eastern US), I'd like
to hear about it in advance.  Please send announcements about activities
to the list.
   -Beth
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Robinton & Film Comments
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:30:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Yes, she did have a friend, think his name was Fred Robinson, on whom she
based the Masterharper... but I think I recall seeing someplace that he is
dead. *sigh* And as you know if you've read People of Pern, F'lar's physical
appearance was based on a supermarket manager that either Ann or Jody Lynn 
Nye knew, I forget which...
-- 
"In place of your dream of an omniscient automaton, accept the fact that
any knowledge man acquires is acquired by his own will and effort, and that
_that_ is his distinction in the universe, _that_ is his nature, his 
morality, his glory."  --Atlas Shrugged, p. 1058
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: gorsha@acca.nmsu.edu (Gorsha)
Subject: Re: Rumors 
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:39:17 GMT

Well, she could be bi, folks.  However I feel this is highly unlikely given the
fact that with one or two exceptions, all of her characters are relentlessly 
heterosexually paired.  In fact A'murry and K'lon are the only 
gay couple I can recall her writing about.  Rather ironic considering that in 
the time she writes about, all the riders are male except for goldriders and 
Mirrim, so almost all of the non-metallic riders must be bi or gay.  Though to
be fair, most of the rider characters that she describes in any detail are 
metallic riders.

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Betweening
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:00:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov18.194647.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Why isn't there a sonic boom due to the sudden vacuum when a 
>dragon goes between?

Because thats not what causes a sonic boom - the sound you're
hearing when a jet flies past is the edge of a 'cone' of sound
formed as the air is forced to move around the plane faster than
it wants to (ie, the speed of sound). This shockwave propagates
down to ground level, where you hear it as a sonic boom after the
aircraft has passed overhead - its _not_ just when the plane
breaks the sound barrier. (Note: this is only a rough explanation
of the phenomenon, buyers beware.)

I believe in ATWOP there is a reference to a slight 'pop' as a
firelizard goes between... and thats the only reference I can
remember _anywhere_ about a sound accompanying the dragon. I
imagine there is a slight 'whuff' as a dragon vanishes, and a
dull 'foomp' as the dragon reappears, the air rushing in and
getting pushed aside respectively.

PS: ATWOP has been out in paperback for over a week now. I
believe that means we can spoil to our hearts content... readers
and paranoids beware. :)

Joshua
|         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
|                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |
From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re:Betweening
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:04:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov19.133500.1921@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>
z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

> 
> Question for the group: Any fan fluff allowed on pern in this group, or is > it all MUD/MUSHING around?

Before someone answers this acidically:  This group is for all
fan-related thoughts regarding Pern.  Lots of the previous discussions
haven't had direct references to the MUDs running Pern themes, and in
fact, these MUDs are only a subset of the opportunities which can be
explored in discussing Pern.

In short.  If it's about Pern.  Post it.

Falryx, Journeyman Weyrherder of Benden Weyr.  PernMUSH.
F'lyr, Weyrleader of Fort Weyr.  DragonsFire MUSE.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: Robinton & Film Comments
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:41:15 GMT

tabbifli+@cs.cmu.edu (Melissa Tabbifli) writes:

>Away back when the 'let's cast the film' discussion was going on, someone
>(or, rather, several someones) suggested Sean Connery as Robinton.  A 
>question came up on if he could sing or not.. Answer: He could in 1959
>when he starred in Walt Disney's _Darby O'Gill and the Little People_. 
>The song was fairly short.. "Pretty Irish Girl".   It's on one of the 
>_A Legacy in Song_ CDs that were recenty released by Disney. I make no
>claims on his skill! :) 

Thanks!  I think I asked the question.  Still, however much I like Sean
Connery it seems like someone more musically inclined would be better
suited to the part - and *definitely* someone who is able to impersonate
other people's voices *really* well.  Robinton's ability to do this is a
very important factor in his speeches in Dragonflight.  How about Sean
Connery as Lytol? 
 
>There were also suggestions on Peter O'Toole for the part, due to his 
>ability to do 'drunk' well.  It occurs to me that during the entire 
>series, I'd never seen Robinton drunk.  Slightly tipsy, once, from
>attempting to drink Lytol under the table (ref: Jaxom's Impression), but
>never actually drunk.  While it's fairly clearly stated that he liked 
>his wine - specifically, Benden Red - it never says he drinks to excess. 
>Nor does it really imply it - more that he's a 'gourmet'.
>	It's been a while since I've read the books, so there might
>be a memory hole.. Anyone care to support or kill this?

Robinton's ability to drink is legendary - only Fandarel could equal
him.  He does *pretend* to be under the effects on a couple of
occaisions, but he is *never* really drunk.  The episode with Lytol
seemed to be an act to get Lytol to relax.

Rob

--
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Rob Geraghty               | 3 things are important to me 
robg@durian.citr.oz.au     | The gift of love, the joy of life
CITR                       | And the making of music in all its forms
From: dragon@angus.mi.org (John Lussmyer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re: Painting a bronze, more comments
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:20:31 GMT
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

> Well, first of all I'm approaching the firelizard problem in a different way.
> I'm doing it soft sculpture.  The lizard body is stuffed hose, it's painted
> heavily with acrylics though I considered enamel spray paint as a base coat t
> start with.  the hose works well for the wings.  I use wire for Wing joints a
> skeleton and "Friendly Plastic" for detailing such as claws, teeth, etc.  I u
> jewels for the eyes also.  Neat effect aren't they?
> 
> jaa ne, Akane

What I found worked well for firelizard body color was some choir
robe material.  I ended up ordering from the factory, but it came
out nice.

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs... NO SPOILERS FOR ATWOP :)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:19:22 GMT

mccall@Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall) writes:


Read no further if you haven't read All the Weyrs of Pern :)_ :)

>From either Dragonflight or either Dragonquest : (I'm paraphrasing here)

>F'lar states that if greens didnt chew firestone they could reproduce, but
>that they'd hatch only small dragons, and that it was a good thing that the
>firestone kept them sterile, because considering the amorous tendencies of
>greens, the weyr would be overflowing with little dragons in no time.

Ok.... so now what happens after ATWOP?? Dragons don't have to chew 
firestone, are the Pernese going to be up to there necks in green 
Hatchlings? Or will the 'natural' instinict of 'no thread, not so many dragons
take over? If it exists....

Eccles

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From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: Movie - MUSH Address - Deaths - UUCP
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:13:38 GMT

IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

> As for the death of Robinton, and the self-deletion of AIVAS in ATWoP, I
>literally cried over that one myself. It was a real pity to see the way Robinto
>n was treated in that book, I was shocked to think the McC. could even consider
>having him treated like that. Using that as a base, I'd likely cast my lot ther
>e that it was written by a ghost writer.

Now really, Joshua!  I thought Robinton went out exactly the way he
would have preferred.  To have him and AIVAS (which had become a virtual
god in some eyes) go between at the same time was appropriate and
fitting.  Robinton was not young at the time of DragonFlight - so how
old must he have been in ATWoP?  I admit that I, like Menolly and Jaxom,
couldn't see Pern without him, but... it *is* life isn't it!

*That* is what makes Pern so great.  The *people* are *real*.  they are
human, they have human hopes and needs, human faults and skills.

I don't know about you, but even without Robinton, even without thread,
I'd still like Anne to tell us what happened to Jaxom and Menolly and
everyone else...

Rob

--
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Rob Geraghty               | 3 things are important to me 
robg@durian.citr.oz.au     | The gift of love, the joy of life
CITR                       | And the making of music in all its forms
From: rr@chem.ucsd.edu (Roxanne Rohmann)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Who is Jody Lynn Nye?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:43:53 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept, UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: chedccf0.ucsd.edu

In article <1e90cqINNnf4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
 > 
 > dead. *sigh* And as you know if you've read People of Pern, F'lar's physical
 > appearance was based on a supermarket manager that either Ann or Jody Lynn 
 > Nye knew, I forget which...
 > --
I'm just curious about the recent books Ann McCaffrey has been
co-authoring with other people.  Why did she decide to go that
route?  And are the two women whose names I have seen the most (on
the Sassinak books, I think) friends or relatives?

   ---Roxanne Rohmann
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re: Painting a bronze, more comments
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:31:23 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

>In article <1992Nov10.103156.1773@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>> I'm making a bronze firelizard.  I've already made a brown and a green, so
>> what's the problem: How do you paint a bronze??
>> --Akane
>        As far a painting goes I went over the black with coats of red and
>brown and again mixed in a variety of bright colors to give it a sheen.  I
>admit a few attempts ended with a grey muddy dragon.  I finally ended up with a
>...ummm.... halfway bronze.  I not sure I could do it again.  sorry....
>
>        You got me on watercolors....
>                                                Diana

<For paints (I've done dragon in watercolors) the trick is the layers.
<For bronze, you're going to want to end up with a reddish-type brown color,
<with a more yellowish tinge for highlights. With watercolors, work light,
<from yellow and a bit of yellow ochre to red and brick red. Try not to
<use a brown from a tube, I think it always looks better to mix it on the 
<paper with a dark red and a true (but slightly dark) green.

<I've gotten some very nice effects with pastel drawings of dragons.
<Blend them enough, and you can get a very painterly image.
<
<Hope this helps some. Mail me if you want to talk more. :)
<
<-Jen
<jmoulton@mailbox.syr.edu

Well, first of all I'm approaching the firelizard problem in a different way. 
I'm doing it soft sculpture.  The lizard body is stuffed hose, it's painted
heavily with acrylics though I considered enamel spray paint as a base coat to
start with.  the hose works well for the wings.  I use wire for Wing joints and
skeleton and "Friendly Plastic" for detailing such as claws, teeth, etc.  I use
jewels for the eyes also.  Neat effect aren't they?

jaa ne, Akane
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Rumors 
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:43:06 -0700

In article <1992Nov17.113917.11911@nmsu.edu>, gorsha@acca.nmsu.edu (Gorsha) writes:
> Well, she could be bi, folks.  However I feel this is highly unlikely given the
> fact that with one or two exceptions, all of her characters are relentlessly 
> heterosexually paired.  In fact A'murry and K'lon are the only 
> gay couple I can recall her writing about.  Rather ironic considering that in 
> the time she writes about, all the riders are male except for goldriders and 
> Mirrim, so almost all of the non-metallic riders must be bi or gay.  Though to
> be fair, most of the rider characters that she describes in any detail are 
> metallic riders.
> 
 I also agree that AM's preference seems to be hetero. However the conclu-
 sion above concerning the preferences of non-metallic writers is not defin-
 itively supported by either the books or AM's recent post on the subject.
 Considering the attitudes attributed to the "hold-bred" Pernese it would
 seem likely that , at least, a large minority of the non-metallic riders
 would be hetero since a good number of Candidates for Impression are from
 the holds.
From: IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dragonflight comic
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:39:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maine System

Dragonflight Graphic Novel: I have part one of three of that, and am somewhat
mixed on my opinions of it. It leaves out a lot of plot, and goes -very- fast
compared to the actual book. The artwork in it however, is very good, compared
to some of the total botch-jobs I hear so much about.

-Packell@PernMUSH-io20902@maine.maine.edu-JoshuaJohnston-Smallest.sigIvehad!!-
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:20:10 GMT

i think all the dragons lay eggs but its equeivalent to a chicken laying unfertilized eggs. i remember the blues and greens mating same as bronzes,browns and the queen.
if i remember the eggs never hatch. 
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------

   	


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From: tyrie@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Tyrie Grubic)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:31:29 GMT

My impression was the same as Kiandra's. (I forget what your real name was)

I cannot find the reference: it's not in the DLG.  My roommate is now 
reading DragonsDawn and if she finds it I'll post it.

I distinctly remember reading that it was only later that they THOUGHT it
was the firestone that made them infertile.  In reality, Kitti Ping 
engineered it this way because otherwise there'd be too many greens and the
greens coudln't take as good of care of their young.  

In support of this, I offer the fact that green FireLizards chew firestone
and they are still fertile, which implies that firestone and fertility are
unrelated.  

T'lilah, rider of brown Ogreth, DragonsFire
Tyrie J. Grubic
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:09:50 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: Yes they can... but why?

According to the basic DragonRiders trilogy and DragonsDawn,
Greens *are* naturally fertile ("flirtile"? :-).  --==*> However...
Chewing firestone causes infertility (temporary? permanent?) in green
dragons, but no mention of such infertility is made about firelizards.
The basic trilogy defined in no uncertain terms that the reason that
golds are never allowed firestone is because they would become infertile.
(Lessa never seemed to think this was 'fair'.)

The reasons people sneer at the idea of a green laying eggs are:

1.) Green *firelizards* are too stupid to effectively protect their
    clutches from tunnelsnakes... that's why they "never" hatch.
    In DragonsDawn, some were salvaged before the tunnelsnakes got
    them, and hatched, but they produced smaller 'dragonettes'.

2.) A green's offspring would likely be both smaller *and* less
    intelligent, going backwards in their genetic development.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
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