From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: Hypocrisy, Bloody Hypocrisy
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:52:06 GMT

mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:



>Abortion.

>Now there's something that really pisses me off. No, it's not that
>I think it's right or wrong; it's just that I am so sick of hearing
>people argue in their most ignorant form. And the sad thing is that       
>both sides fit into this form. 

>Let's break this whole issue down.

>1) Stupid idea of morality and abortion----

>One side claims that the other is forcing its "morality" on the other
>and that abortion is not a question of morals. Wrong. One morality
>says abortion is okay, while the other says that it is as base as
>murdur. NEWS FLASH: This is a question of everyone's morality.
>You wouldn't think that taking aspirin is a moral question. But to
>some people, modern medicine is a no-no. What about driving a car???
>The Amish don't because they see technology from a moral viewpoint.
>So, anyone who uses morality as a stance is heading for an illogical
>dead-end. Pro-life morality is irrelevant because it's "pro-life" 
>morality. In addition, pro-choice claims no morality on the issue
>of abortion. They say it isn't a morality thing. A lack of morality
>is a type of morality, just like zero, an absence of value, is a
>value. So please, let's drop the "holier-than-thou" and "it's not
>a moral thing/keep your rosaries off my ovaries" part of this debate.
>And just as one doesn't have to be a neo-Nazi feminist to be pro-choice,
>not every pro-lifer is a religious fanatic. And neither of these two
>types of people are odd. They're just not you and me. (BTW, are
>there any neo-Nazi, religious fanatic feminists out there??? :) )
>Please no more of these shitty stereotypes.

Couldn't agree more.

>2) Stupid idea of men and abortion

>Lately, I've been seeing alot of stuff like:

>if men could get pregnent, then you could get an abortion at 7-Eleven.
>etc.

>It's like, abortion relates only to women, so men aren't really
>relevant. What about the woman who's sterile from birth???? Does
>she have a say?? She'll never have the chance even to get pregnant.
>This isn't a moral issue or a women's issue. IT'S AN AMERICAN ISSUE!!!!

>(cool....I didn't split that infinitive....wow)

Couldn't agree more.

>3) Stupid idea of rights and abortion ---- CRUX OF THIS POSTING

>1st thing first. Both sides of this issue are very impassionned.
>Impassionned people are not very rational. Hence, neither of these
>two sides are acting very rational. This is where I come in.
>Abortion is a medical procedure. Abortion is not birth-control.
>Contraceptive is something that prevents pregnancy. Abortion 
>occurs after pregnancy. Many people use abortion as birth control.
>I have known dozens of teenage girls who didn't use birth control
>because they could easily get abortions. 4 or 5 abortions by the time
>they were 17. 

>PLEASE READ THE CONTINUATION.....I am about to be disconnected

Only disagreeing technically.  Abortion is NOT contraception (ie. agreed) 
but Abortion IS birth control (no birth takes place).  A minor point
nonetheless.

Kevin Brawley
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity