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From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: PAX
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:03:17 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com

I monitor this group here in Michigan and have watched with interest the
questions and answers. I have an Internet access point here. I have many people
who complain about costs and access but, when it comes right down to it
there is not much for free. I think what PAX has done is excellent. We are
operating a NON-PROFIT users group incorporated for the purpose of net
access and teaching people about networking. I hope to have several schools
connected to the net over the net 12 months. Funding is always had to get
but, if you beat the bushes it can be found.

I hope that your net operation continues to go well and that you are able
to expand even further.  Hat's off to you!

-- 
Joseph Stroup          | Still trying to work
                       | and Play well with Others.
From: cheese@asstdc.oz.au (Mark Cheeseman)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: NSW Packet Forum
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 06:42:25 +1100
Distribution: aus

In a msg on <Dec 09 12:56>, Dave Horsfall of dave@eram.esi.COM.AU  writes:

 DH> Such things are being considered (for UHF anyway - note how 
 DH> convenient it is that the UHF band plan has the packet 
 DH> sub-bands separated by 5 MHz!).

What foresight! The band-planners must be listening to somebody (either that,
or they wanted to give us more space, but couldn't fit it all into one
block:-)) Something to think about (after I've got my system on 4800@4800).

 DH> As for bandwidth, it has been noted before that the objection to 
 DH> packet radio using two frequencies instead of one, seems to 
 DH> come from those using voice repeaters.  Hmmm...

...and they could probably be expressing their complaints on simplex if they
tried, but nobody'd hear them:-)


73 de Mark VK2XGK
From: cheese@asstdc.oz.au (Mark Cheeseman)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.packet
Subject: Packet Radio BBS messages @ASIA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 06:51:59 +1100
Distribution: aus

In a msg on <Dec 09 13:49>, Dave Horsfall of dave@eram.esi.COM.AU  writes:

 DH> ObOldFartReminisce: Back when 300 bps/ 300 baud (same thing. Ed.) 
     Hey, how'd Mr Ed get into your message, Dave?----------------^^^

-Mark
From: acornwal@fox.nstn.ns.ca (andy cornwall)
Subject: PACSAT/Microsat Call Signs
Summary: QUERY SATELLITE CALL SIGNS
Keywords: PACSAT,MICROSAT,SATELLITE
Organization: nova scotia department of eductaion
Distribution: ALL
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:12:53 GMT

I am in the process of configuring my microcomputer to work with PB.EXE,
and have run into a snag. I am not able to specify the variable bdcstcall,
because I do not know the satellite call signs. Arrrgh! The information
at hand relates to acronyms such as uo-22, uo-14, lo-19, ao-16, fo-20,
and ko-23, but these do not appear to be legitimate call signs.
     Will some one please help me with information on the satellite
call signs.
     Thank's and 73's.
--- Andy (VE1COR)
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amsat
Subject: Orbital Elements  347.MICROS
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:36:31 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR THE MICROSATS
FROM N3FKV  HEWITT, TX   December 12, 1992  BID:$ORBS-347.D
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

Satellite: UO-14
Catalog number: 20437
Epoch time:      92345.19119343
Element set:     699
Inclination:       98.6298 deg
RA of node:        65.4589 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0011617
Arg of perigee:    21.2777 deg
Mean anomaly:     338.8881 deg
Mean motion:   14.29709816 rev/day
Decay rate:       2.25e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           15042
Checksum:              337

Satellite: AO-16
Catalog number: 20439
Epoch time:      92338.55103863
Element set:     536
Inclination:       98.6348 deg
RA of node:        59.5994 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0012616
Arg of perigee:    40.6074 deg
Mean anomaly:     319.6046 deg
Mean motion:   14.29768656 rev/day
Decay rate:       2.40e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           14948
Checksum:              336

Satellite: DO-17
Catalog number: 20440
Epoch time:      92345.41626367
Element set:     538
Inclination:       98.6391 deg
RA of node:        66.5841 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0011762
Arg of perigee:    20.4203 deg
Mean anomaly:     339.7202 deg
Mean motion:   14.29905407 rev/day
Decay rate:       4.58e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           15047
Checksum:              297

Satellite: WO-18
Catalog number: 20441
Epoch time:      92342.72441161
Element set:     540
Inclination:       98.6338 deg
RA of node:        63.9173 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0011984
Arg of perigee:    35.8763 deg
Mean anomaly:     324.3223 deg
Mean motion:   14.29885602 rev/day
Decay rate:       1.21e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           15009
Checksum:              289

Satellite: LO-19
Catalog number: 20442
Epoch time:      92339.23952054
Element set:     537
Inclination:       98.6368 deg
RA of node:        60.6195 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0013754
Arg of perigee:    36.9818 deg
Mean anomaly:     323.2310 deg
Mean motion:   14.29972087 rev/day
Decay rate:       2.38e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           14960
Checksum:              321

Satellite: UO-22
Catalog number: 21575
Epoch time:      92343.22375043
Element set:     236
Inclination:       98.4944 deg
RA of node:        56.2366 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0007774
Arg of perigee:   143.1087 deg
Mean anomaly:     217.0634 deg
Mean motion:   14.36743087 rev/day
Decay rate:       3.17e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            7324
Checksum:              300

Satellite: KO-23
Catalog number: 22077
Epoch time:      92343.55100082
Element set:      84
Inclination:       66.0799 deg
RA of node:         3.3230 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0013616
Arg of perigee:   231.2621 deg
Mean anomaly:     128.7181 deg
Mean motion:   12.86274331 rev/day
Decay rate:      .00000000 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            1532
Checksum:              238

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amsat
Subject: Orbital Elements  347.MISC
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:36:32 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR MANNED AND MISCELLANEOUS SATELLITES
FROM N3FKV  HEWITT, TX   December 12, 1992  BID:$ORBS-347.M
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

Satellite: MIR
Catalog number: 16609
Epoch time:      92345.71839721
Element set:     755
Inclination:       51.6215 deg
RA of node:        85.4203 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0001815
Arg of perigee:   133.1107 deg
Mean anomaly:     227.0085 deg
Mean motion:   15.56720503 rev/day
Decay rate:     1.6813e-04 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           38974
Checksum:              288

Satellite: HUBBLE
Catalog number: 20580
Epoch time:      92345.70543685
Element set:     977
Inclination:       28.4686 deg
RA of node:       198.4465 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0004873
Arg of perigee:   226.2970 deg
Mean anomaly:     133.7271 deg
Mean motion:   14.92103732 rev/day
Decay rate:      1.787e-05 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           14333
Checksum:              321

Satellite: GRO
Catalog number: 21225
Epoch time:      92345.03836260
Element set:     764
Inclination:       28.4674 deg
RA of node:       228.6081 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0003320
Arg of perigee:   129.6321 deg
Mean anomaly:     230.3994 deg
Mean motion:   15.64748839 rev/day
Decay rate:     2.8448e-04 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            9549
Checksum:              315

Satellite: SARA
Catalog number: 21578
Epoch time:      92345.71118430
Element set:     392
Inclination:       98.4982 deg
RA of node:        59.3402 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0005626
Arg of perigee:   141.5030 deg
Mean anomaly:     218.6554 deg
Mean motion:   14.38103839 rev/day
Decay rate:      1.311e-05 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            7363
Checksum:              285

Satellite: UARS
Catalog number: 21701
Epoch time:      92334.03492742
Element set:     232
Inclination:       56.9827 deg
RA of node:       263.7458 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0004323
Arg of perigee:   101.2882 deg
Mean anomaly:     258.8638 deg
Mean motion:   14.96564965 rev/day
Decay rate:       9.61e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            6633
Checksum:              314

Satellite: FREJA
Catalog number: 22161
Epoch time:      92344.17214773
Element set:      93
Inclination:       63.0074 deg
RA of node:       256.0782 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0770957
Arg of perigee:   265.9760 deg
Mean anomaly:      85.2881 deg
Mean motion:   13.21521445 rev/day
Decay rate:       1.07e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:             844
Checksum:              291

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amsat
Subject: Orbital Elements  347.OSCAR
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:36:30 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR OSCAR SATELLITES
FROM N3FKV  HEWITT, TX   December 12, 1992  BID:$ORBS-347.O
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

Satellite: AO-10
Catalog number: 14129
Epoch time:      92343.26998752
Element set:     947
Inclination:       26.9626 deg
RA of node:        50.6584 deg
Eccentricity:    0.6019093
Arg of perigee:    39.3583 deg
Mean anomaly:     351.6774 deg
Mean motion:    2.05877931 rev/day
Decay rate:       -1.6e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            7133
Checksum:              333

Satellite: UO-11
Catalog number: 14781
Epoch time:      92343.08744543
Element set:     387
Inclination:       97.8315 deg
RA of node:        11.7725 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0010833
Arg of perigee:   251.4823 deg
Mean anomaly:     108.5207 deg
Mean motion:   14.68773825 rev/day
Decay rate:       8.07e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           46866
Checksum:              322

Satellite: RS-10/11
Catalog number: 18129
Epoch time:      92345.60895581
Element set:     490
Inclination:       82.9275 deg
RA of node:        18.0005 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0012922
Arg of perigee:   117.1507 deg
Mean anomaly:     243.0972 deg
Mean motion:   13.72302366 rev/day
Decay rate:        9.7e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           27398
Checksum:              303

Satellite: AO-13
Catalog number: 19216
Epoch time:      92341.84786510
Element set:     545
Inclination:       57.5150 deg
RA of node:       345.8983 deg
Eccentricity:    0.7281013
Arg of perigee:   302.7964 deg
Mean anomaly:       7.0296 deg
Mean motion:    2.09715697 rev/day
Decay rate:       1.60e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            3432
Checksum:              310

Satellite: FO-20
Catalog number: 20480
Epoch time:      92337.69490380
Element set:     432
Inclination:       99.0628 deg
RA of node:       224.8260 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0540753
Arg of perigee:   171.4732 deg
Mean anomaly:     189.6026 deg
Mean motion:   12.83214516 rev/day
Decay rate:        1.0e-08 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           13211
Checksum:              281

Satellite: AO-21
Catalog number: 21087
Epoch time:      92345.65728258
Element set:     638
Inclination:       82.9441 deg
RA of node:       192.3333 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0035042
Arg of perigee:   184.9988 deg
Mean anomaly:     175.0815 deg
Mean motion:   13.74502774 rev/day
Decay rate:       1.01e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            9354
Checksum:              317

Satellite: RS-12/13
Catalog number: 21089
Epoch time:      92339.18085955
Element set:     386
Inclination:       82.9230 deg
RA of node:        66.7370 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0028228
Arg of perigee:   229.7234 deg
Mean anomaly:     130.1452 deg
Mean motion:   13.74007817 rev/day
Decay rate:        6.2e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            9174
Checksum:              309

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: aus.auug
From: john@labtam.labtam.oz.au (John Carey)
Subject: Next Sesspoole Meeting
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:33:27 GMT

	Thursday 17th December 1992
	Oakleigh Hotel
	6.30pm
From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
Subject: Saving Beached WHALES
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:47:12 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1gma94INN89d@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> rcedf@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU writes:

 > Recently several whales beached themselves and died along the Tasmanian
 > coastline.My brother came up with a suggestion for deflecting them from
 > moving into shallow water.We are unsure of if the method will work but are
 > open for advice and suggestions. Simply,lower speakers in the shallow part
 > of the sea and broadcast a range of frequencies that would deter the Whales.
 > This could be distress calls or some precise wavelength yet to be determined.

I think the basic problem is knowing just *where* whales are likely to
beach next. Are we to lower speakers in shallow waters around the entire
coastline, or are there "hotspots" already mapped as prone to whale
beaching?

Does anyone have more detailed information?

--
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Independent Consulting Ethnologist                  Fidonet:  3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                         Voice:  (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: Saving Beached WHALES
Keywords: Whales
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:36:52 GMT

rcedf@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (David Friedman) writes:

>Recently several whales beached themselves and died along the Tasmanian
>coastline.My brother came up with a suggestion for deflecting them from
>moving into shallow water.We are unsure of if the method will work but are
>open for advice and suggestions. Simply,lower speakers in the shallow part
>of the sea and broadcast a range of frequencies that would deter the Whales.
>This could be distress calls or some precise wavelength yet to be determined.

I seem to recall something similar being proposed to keep dolphins out
of shark nets.  Does anyone know more about this?

Rob

--
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robg@durian.citr.oz.au     | The gift of love, the joy of life
CITR                       | And the making of music in all its forms
From: rcedf@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (David Friedman)
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
Subject: Saving Beached WHALES
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:11:16 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Keywords: Whales

Recently several whales beached themselves and died along the Tasmanian
coastline.My brother came up with a suggestion for deflecting them from
moving into shallow water.We are unsure of if the method will work but are
open for advice and suggestions. Simply,lower speakers in the shallow part
of the sea and broadcast a range of frequencies that would deter the Whales.
This could be distress calls or some precise wavelength yet to be determined.

   Someone please give it a try or thought.
   Thank you ,
	      David and Leon Friedman
	      
	      
		   
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: cheese@runx.oz.au (Mark Cheeseman)
Subject: Re: Saving Beached WHALES
Keywords: Whales
Organization: Your Computer Magazine, Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:02:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.040033.8839@cs.su.oz.au> yar@cluster.cs.su.oz (Ray Loyzaga) writes:
>
>I've always wondered why during these attempted rescues more use of
>"concrete pumps" isn't made. Every reasonable sized town has one for
>slab concrete floor constructions so they should be handy to most
>rescues. They are great for moving slurrys of solids and water or just water.

All the pumpers I've seen have the concrete trucks dumping the concrete into
a hopper, from which it is pumped. So to do that with sea water, you'd have
to park the truck below sea level:-) Unless they have pumps that can suck too,
but I've never seen one, at least, not pumping concrete.

>The two things that need to be done for whales is to keep them wet
>and to get them in the water. A concrete pump can be used to toss seawater
>at the whales and to undercut the beach sands to effectively refloat
>the whales. I just wonder why it hasn't been tried before or has it?

Fire trucks might be another possibility, though I'm not sure if they'd be
keen to pump all that salt through their system.

-Mark

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Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
Subject: Re: Saving Beached WHALES
Reply-To: yar@cluster.cs.su.oz (Ray Loyzaga)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:00:33 GMT
Keywords: Whales

In article <robg.724559812@citr.uq.oz.au> robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty) writes:
>rcedf@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (David Friedman) writes:
>
>>Recently several whales beached themselves and died along the Tasmanian
>>coastline.My brother came up with a suggestion for deflecting them from
>>moving into shallow water.We are unsure of if the method will work but are
>>open for advice and suggestions. Simply,lower speakers in the shallow part
>>of the sea and broadcast a range of frequencies that would deter the Whales.
>>This could be distress calls or some precise wavelength yet to be determined.
>
>I seem to recall something similar being proposed to keep dolphins out
>of shark nets.  Does anyone know more about this?

I've always wondered why during these attempted rescues more use of
"concrete pumps" isn't made. Every reasonable sized town has one for
slab concrete floor constructions so they should be handy to most
rescues. They are great for moving slurrys of solids and water or just water.
The two things that need to be done for whales is to keep them wet
and to get them in the water. A concrete pump can be used to toss seawater
at the whales and to undercut the beach sands to effectively refloat
the whales. I just wonder why it hasn't been tried before or has it?
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bob McKay)
Subject: Re: Trees & whipper-snippers
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:37:52 GMT

As I discovered last night, whipper-snippers don't like wire netting: thick
wire netting is strong enough to cut the nylon whips without being damaged
itself. So to protect a tree from the whipper snippers, just wrap a couple of
layers of rabbit netting around the trunk (but don't fasten it, so the
tree can still grow)
   Cheers
     Bob McKay

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Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: transponders in E space
From: jrs@petrel.dsto.gov.au (John Stobie)
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:15:25 CST
Distribution: aus
Keywords: txpdrs in gliders
Summary: Industry proposes new txpdr requirements

Recently at a meeting between the industry and the CAA
the following <industry agreed> proposal was put to the CAA.

Transponders will not be required below 10000ft in Class E airspace.

The quid quo pro will be that use of radio will be mandatory
above 5000ft by 1997 however this will be reviewed in 1995. The number
of channels required is unknown.

The height limit for flights without oxygen will be 14000ft.

There were other details about MTAF and CTAF changes.

It is now up to the CAA to act on the above.

Thats all the news for now.
--

-- 
John  Stobie                                          jrs@aeg.dsto.gov.au
Avionics Technology                                   Ph: +61 8 259 6481
Air Operations Division,DSTO, Salisbury, S.Australia  FAX:   +61 8 259 5507
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Newsgroups: aus.aviation
From: rnr@YP.melb.bull.com (Richard Rawlins)
Subject: For sale Headset: David Clark H10-40 (Melbourne)
Summary: flying headset
Keywords: headset
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Australia.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:27:03 GMT

For Sale:
Flying Headset David Clark H10-40 Near New condition.
$300, or make an offer.

Richard
email: rnr@melb.bull.oz.au
AH: (03) 802-8015
BH: (03) 246-4934
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
From: amcb@runx.oz.au (Andrew McBurnie)
Subject: Re: transponders in E space
Summary: Let's press for more
Keywords: txpdrs in gliders CAA 
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:38:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.131530.165359@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> jrs@petrel.dsto.gov.au (John Stobie) writes:
>the following <industry agreed> proposal was put to the CAA.
>
>Transponders will not be required below 10000ft in Class E airspace.
>
>The quid quo pro will be that use of radio will be mandatory
>above 5000ft by 1997 however this will be reviewed in 1995. The number
>of channels required is unknown.
>
>The height limit for flights without oxygen will be 14000ft.
>

First, I'd like to express my gratitude to those in the Gliding Federation 
and others who have been putting the time in to negotiate with the CAA.

Secondly, I'd like to suggest that now is the time to start demanding more.
Why are they putting in class E airspace covering most of the East and SE
coast of Austraia, covering most of the best gliding country?  Why is this
area being covered with secondary radar?  

Most of all, why is sport aviation in this country becoming ever more
restricted, with every few years more and more freedom being whittled away?
It's the same story each time: the Department comes out with some ridiculous
new restrictive regulation, which is then negotiated down -- each time, we
lose a little more.

These people are just inventing services and regulations to justify their
own jobs.  If you look at the current CAA annual report, it is quite evident
from the staff numbers that the section with the most people, and hence
most under threat from reduction, is the one that looks after airspace, etc.

I just cannot get over the fact that these people could blandly propose
that all gliders and hang-gliders must carry transponders, adding another
several million dollars to the Australian trade deficit, with no sensible 
justification whatsoever, and expect to get away with it.  

The recent news of the McPhee investigation into the Hughes/Thomson radar
deal, with the standing down of two senior CAA exectives as a result, should
make it clear to everyone how badly this Department is run, and how poor
its policy formation procedures are.  I urge everyone to keep writing to
relevant government ministers and their federal MP, demanding that we get
our airspace back:  that the size of class E airspace be drastically reduced,
that current CTA sizes such as that around Wagga/Junee be re-justified, 
but most of all, that the present domineering, regulation crazy culture of 
the CAA be crushed  - and that can only happen by getting rid of most of
the people in that Airspace section, where all the bullshit comes from.