From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush Campaign TV Ad
Date: 15 Aug 1992 05:29:42 GMT
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In article <lijfe9s@Unify.Com>, ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug12.213308.2330@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug12.200411.1166@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
|> >
|> > ... (Would Clinton pay for a lawyer if he knew that his daughter murdered
|> > someone and was being tried for it?  ...
|> 
|> How about trading all these hypothetica in for a couple of real choices that
|> real people had to make, that really happened?  Or is that too boring?

It isn't boring, so long as it is based on **FACTS** and so long as the
you do it with a little intelligence. As is obvious from the rest
of your posting, your hypothetica fail on both counts.

|> 
|> Would Bush pull strings to ensure that his son did not have to face the con-
|> sequences of doing something of questionable legality to help the company the
|> son worked for to blow their business so badly that it cost the FDIC $1 mil-
|> lion to fix it?
|> 
|> The answer to that one is "Yes".  It actually happened.  (Does anyone know
|> if Bush bothered to help his son get into a program to teach him not to do it
|> again?)

Do you have any proof that Bush's influence was what got his son (I presume
you mean Neil Bush and Silverado) off lightly? If you do produce it. I am sure
that we, and the rest of the electorate would love to see it. For his role,
Neil Bush was fined $50,000.00, which is minor. But then, his role in bringing
the whole thing down was also minor, if my memory serves me right .
(I am not sure of this, but I believe that Neil Bush was banned from the
banking industry for life for his role in the Silverado mess, which kinda
renders the rehabilitation part of the question irrelevant).

|> 
|> To get back to the oh-so-much-more-fascinating hypothetical question, slightly
|> altered to cover both candidates and to make it easier to answer wrt their
|> reactions to real situations:
|> 
|> "Would the candidate try to help his daughter evade the law if she had mur-
|> dered someone?"  Based on Clinton's experience with his brother, for Clinton
|> it looks like the answer would be "No".  Based on Bush's experience with his
|> son, for Bush it looks like the answer, awful as it is to have to say it
|> about *anyone*, would be "Yes".

How dumb can you get? Given that abortion is **LEGAL** in this country,
what do you expect Bush to do when someone comes to him and says that she
had an abortion? Clap her into a private prison since the police won't arrest
her? Note that no one ever asked Bush what he would do is the act of abortion
were committed at a time when abortion was ILLEGAL. Even if you assume
that abortion IS illegal, it makes little difference to the woman itself in
most cases, since most abortion laws (the La. one in particular) treat the
woman as a "victim" and penalize the doctor who performs it. Which means that
Bush (hypothetically) has little else to do other than comfort the person who 
had the abortion.

I am myself pro regulated-choice, but I think that both the Quayle and Bush
answers to their questions are being twisted wholly out of line with what 
the two probably intended to say.

|> Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244
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Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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