From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: [Soccer] Re: Asia Cup
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:03:22 GMT
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In article <ISHIKAWA.92Nov17222250@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:

 @In article <nr8.ku5n8@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
 @
 @   The person I mentioned believed the Japanese player was well in offside
 @   position. The point is it should be possible to tell for sure by examining
 @   the video of the match (I suppose now you will tell me that there was
 @   no camera located near the end line!). 
 @
 @Now having said all this, may I suggest that you might want to check
 @with NHK if they have pictures from the different angle? In a next
 @couple of weeks, some Japanese magazines will show the play from
 @various angales, I hope. And then we may have an answer to our
 @question. (And we may not. No magazine editors in their right mind put
 @a camera man on the side line. They usually put a camera man behind
 @the goal lines.)

I know Iran is planning to complain or has already done so. Maybe they
can get to the bottom of this. But this kind of thing clearly shows
that they need cameras to cover the "offside angle" to settle such
disputes.
                  
 @>   I think that is very unfair. No yellow or red cards should be given
 @>   to any player until guilt is clear. 
 @
 @Excuse me? Guilt WAS CLEAR. I am quite sure the line refree motioned
 @to the main referee to show who was the culprit after the main referee
 @noticed a Japanese player lying on the ground. The main referee was
 @following the ball, but one line referee was in a position to monitor
 @the field very well.
 @
 @>I don't see how giving out red
 @>   cards unfairly helps to maintain order.
 @
 @From what I have seen, some referees seem to believe in preventive
 @maintenance if I borrow the phrase from hardware industry.
 @
 @> It might even create disorder.
 @>   Physical contact between players is unavoidable. 
 @	  
 @I agree that "physical contact between players is unavoidable".
 @
 @However, the particular play in question, the late charge [didn't I
 @mention that the charge was a couple of seconds AFTER the ball was
 @played?] in standing position FROM BEHIND was uncalled for, and
 @unnecessary.
 @
 @(Now I am not sure if my description of the play I saw in my previous
 @posting was clear enough to give you a good idea of what happened. If
 @your friend in Iran has watched the TV and also taped the game, please
 @ask him what he would think. The play in question was at the extreme
 @left of the screen since the ball was already kicked and going to the
 @right. From the video, you could see the Japanese player was hit from
 @the behind, or "rammed from behind" seems more appropriate.)
 @
 @Again, I am not sure if the Iranian player was intent on charging.
 @The problem was that he was much taller, bigger, and heavier than the
 @Japanese mid-field player who fell to the ground. It was a bad luck.
 @
 @Ishikawa

Earlier you said that "guilt was clear" and now you say you "are not
sure if the Iranian player was intent on charging". If he was not
intent on charging, then he was not guilty and he should not have
received a red card.
   
Farzin