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From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga)
Subject: Berger regarding the Patrese Incident [spoiler]
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:11:09 GMT

There has been much Berger bashing of late in this group, which completely 
baffles me.  It is misdirected at best, hostile at worst.  It is clear 
that Berger was stopping for tires [and did in fact stop], and there was 
no element of malice on his part.  In any case, I have decided to transcribe 
Berger's post-race interview here.

I did not see the ESPN broadcast, but I am guessing that they did not
show the post-race interviews.  (They never do!)  TSN, picking up the 
live feed from the BBC, showed (I'm guessing) the first set of interviews 
by the local media.  Shane Roach mentioned that there are three sets
of interviews.

Anyway, here it is, with gramatical corrections and minor editing.

[Interviewer:]
Gerhard, not only you got 9 points, but you were also very lucky when you
came in for tires, with the accident with Ricardo.  You did not raise your 
arm, you didn't say anything.  I guess then maybe Ricardo misjudged a little 
bit that you were coming in.

[Gerhard Berger:]
Yes, it was a really dangerous situation.  I'm very sorry it happened 
like this, but you couldn't say it was my fault; you couldn't say it was 
Ricardo's fault.  It was just a misunderstanding.

We went out of the last corner -- You cannot put up the hand in the
last corner - you have everything to do - you have both hands on the 
steering wheel.

When I come out, I positioned the car straight in the middle... to go 
into the pits, and I thought he was going to come left because the last 
time I looked into mirror there was quite a big gap still; and then I 
just entered into the pits.

Just when I was already nearly entering the pits, I felt a touch and 
I saw him flying over me.

I was really afraid.  I was sure he was going to hurt himself; and I'm 
very happy now, that he's okay.

[Interviewer then says something that he should be happy for winning last 
year, and being 2nd this year, and it being his "half-country" or 
something like that and congratulates him.  Then Gerhard mumbles about 
something about the circuit that I can't quite catch.]

FWIW, I don't blame Berger.

P.S.  We in Canada did not get to see Senna's explanation of his multiple
pit-stops, so if someone who saw his interview can tell us what he said,
I'd appreciate it.

-- 
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Nazareth Grand Prix Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:04:10 GMT

In article <7182989756362@c00369-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>I listed Al Unser, Jr. and Danny Sullivan's cars as G92's, but I had heard
>a while back that the Galmer G93 might be ready to debut at Nazareth.  Was
>it there?

Danny was driving a G92, but little Al was indeed driving a G93 -- and
he missed the setup.  it was a gamble, and it didn't pay off.

richard
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From: pz@keps.kodak.com (Paul Czarnecki)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:44:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Sep30.214401.27552
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <MARTIN.92Sep29154117@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen) writes:
>purposely played tricks on Patrese. I'm not saying that Berger's
>intention was this accident but he slowed down without a reason.
>[...] he went for a pit stop but actually didn't
>stop there. German TV showed Berger on the track again before Patrese
>had left his car.

Remember that an F1 pit stop can take only 6 seconds.  Berger would be
accelerating hard into his pit and hard out of it.  Meanwhile, Patrese
was sliding, not braking at 3-4 g's, down the front straight.  I
didn't tape the race but I would guess Patrese slid for about 20
seconds.  This is more than enough time for Berger to get in the pits,
fit new tires, have the rear checked for bent pieces, and get out of
the pits. 

Maybe what Berger did (not putting a hand up) was stupid, maybe it was
unavoidable (since he needs both hands on the wheel) but I really
doubt that it was on purpose.  I especially doubt it was on purpose
since Berger is also a member of the "really spectacular F1 crashes"
club. 

					pZ
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:15:04 GMT

From article <5310@gold.gvg.tek.com>, by jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche):
> 
> This tape's a keeper.  The view out the front of Patrese's Williams
> when all you can see is clouds and the semi-inverted grandstands is
> amazing.  Too bad the microwave transmitter lost signal when he got
> past vertical!
> 
> Jim
 
And don't forget that fantastic shot of the underside of the bridge!


Shane Roach
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From: stan@dixie.com (Stan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: MIS, new home of the USGP?
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:01:21 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

>Now that American interest is sparked up again in F1, there is
>talk of finding at new home for the USGP.  One suggestions is
>Roger Penske's Michigan International Speedway where they have 
>a little known infield roadcourse ala Daytona.  The last time 
>I can remember a major race on the roadcourse was the '69 CanAm
>held there.  Has it been used since for a major series and what
>kind of shape is it in?

>Dan Jones

   While we are wishing, how about Road Atlanta ?  Or failing that
   Road America, or maybe even Mid Ohio.  But I have a strong
   persoanel preference for the first for obvious reasons.

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From: fleck@acsu.buffalo.edu (richard j fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda to Indy?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:35:24 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Sep29.164619.9169@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Even though Honda's F1 engine program is now "officially" dead,
>I hear that the factory engineers who have been working the last
>several years in England are remaining there for the purpose of
>working with the engines to run on methanol.
>
>Now, name all the racing series that utilize methanol fuel, and
>I think you can deduce which direction Honda is going in racing.
>
>-cball-

Just wondering,  What percentage of Hondas world car production
is sold in the US and How does that compare to the percentage
sold in Europe?

Rich Fleck
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: What is indy car about....
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:21:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.174542.11180@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>Methanol is mandatory at Indy, and has been since the Eddie Sachs disaster.
>I can't believe that CART doesn't also mandate it, since the use of
>gasoline would allow an overwhelming advantage in number of pit stops
>or all-up vehicle weight -- the teams wouldn't be able to pass it up!
>
>I don't claim to be an historian, but your memory on fuel rules
>doesn't match mine.  Anyone out there have accurate, traceable facts??
>
Unfortunately I don't have a rulebook (I sent away for one, but as soon
as they saw the Hudson logo on my letterhead CART got very nervous and
denied my request :-)).

Seriously, I checked the media guide thoroughly and they made no
reference to anything OTHER than methanol.  I will be sure to ask the
specific question of someone within the series.  But I'd be willing to
bet if you, the team manager at an IndyCar event, tried to bring a load
of fuel other than methanol into the pit area you would garner the
attention of a lot of "CART Official" shirts all of the sudden.

Is electricity considered a fuel?  Larry Burton was, I believe, hard
pressed for CART to approve his proposed electric car.  

From the IndyCar Media Guide:

Fuel: An Indy Car must average 1.8 miles per gallon of methanol or
better.  Valvoline, which manufactures the racing fuel, typically
dispenses 7,500 gallons for short ovals and road courses and 22,000 to
25,000 gallons for 500-milers except for Indianapolis where teams use
38,000 to 40,000 gallons during the month-long competition.  In total,
380,000 to 400,000 gallons of methanol are used by Indy Car series teams
in a given season.

-cball-

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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Nazareth or Nazareth?
Organization: bnr
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.161209.24273@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
writes:
>Some events happening this coming weekend:
>IndyCars/IndyLights - Nazareth (my son thought I was talking 
>about the 'other' Nazareth and was really confused :-)

Sounds like he's been watching too many Senna interviews!  :-)

Tim
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From: buzz@unislc.uucp (Buzz Wendzel)
Subject: Race Rock Motor City Diner
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:04:07 GMT
Keywords: address and phone number

Hot Rod lists their source as:
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  34901 Groesbeck Hwy.
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From: bulkes@mr.med.ge.com (Cherik Bulkes 4-6434 MR Sys)
Subject: Re: Honda RA168E (a.k.a. that '88 Honda engine) and fuel preheating
Summary: fuel preheating
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:30:45 GMT

In article <1afnhsINNl43@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
> I was reading an article on the RA168E and RA167E and it states that the
> fuel was ran through an engine coolant heat exchanger to raise the
> temperature of the fuel to within 15 degrees of that of the coolant
> because racing fuel does not typically contain low boiling-point
> ingredients.  The fuel was 84% toluene.  I still don't understand their
> reason for preheating it.  What is the average temperature of fuel and
> what is the average temperature of F1 engine coolant in an operating
> engine?  By the way, I would think to they do the exact opposite, cool
> it, to make it more dense?
> Any comments?
> 
> R.Banks
> 
With high revving engines there is little time to properly evaporate the
fuel. So simply squirting in the fuel leaves droplets, the smaller the 
better. Evaporation is mostly a function of surface area of the droplet 
(so distributing the droplets over more little ones does that), and 
heating the fuel helps to bring them closer to the evaporation point.
At 12000rpm (200 x 360 degrees/sec or 5 msec / 360 degrees or 5msec/rev
there is about 240...280 degrees between injection and ignition, or
about 3 msec. If fuel is not completely atomized at ignition time,
it will not participate in the combustion process, but it will draw
heat away from it, thus performing instant cooling, and thus shifting
up the detonation point. The balance is thus to decide between detonation
and fuel efficiency. This is why ignition on the F1 motors is controlled
within a tenth of a degree.

- Cherik.
From: dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: horses
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:29:30 GMT
Organization: bnr
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In article <1992Sep28.030917.7252@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg) writes:
>
>      Well,that was a pretty entertaining race.....We were fortunate to
>have it live this morning on TSN,and since ESPN wasn't broadcasting 
>live we got the bonus of listening to the Murray and James show 
>from the BBC feed.  They blow ESPN away!
>
>     Anyhow,here is some of the latest gossip, straight from the 
>horse's mouth James Hunt himself...
>


Wrong end of the horse.

Tim
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: F1: Berger:Patrese
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:22:27 GMT

In article <183750@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com
(Dan Jones) writes:
|> Leo Smiths writes:
|> > Personally I think Berger intended to give Patrese a bit of a fright,
|> > and maybe a flat spot and a bent wing, but it all went a lot further
|> > than Berger ever intended. But we will never no. I base that on
|> > Bergers history as a nice guy but given to pranks.
|> 
|> What total bullshit.  It seems to me that F1 and r.a.s. are going in
|> the same direction of boring trash.

I absolutely agree with Dan.

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From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:29:51 GMT
Subject: Berger.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com

	He went into the pits and changed tyres. Did no one notice his sliding
	due to worn tyres when he was trying to stay in front of Patrese ?


	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Warning, r.a.s. reader goes mad.
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  1 Oct 92 23:24:19 GMT

I know this posting is costing the net squillions and all that,
but Thos Cohen has just spent $96.50 on Williams G.P. clothing,
including, wait for it, $9.50 for "Williams Grand Prix Team" socks.
Orders to thos@softway.sw.oz.au :-)

Paul
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From: tdonahue@star-trek.bbn.com (Tim Donahue)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More Rumours from Portugal, about Williams, McLaren
Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:48:01 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc.
Reply-To: tdonahue@bbn.com (Tim Donahue)
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com

In article <thos.717633232@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>
>After the GP telecast is finished, the local commentators at Channel 9
>in Australia give tidbits of gossip that they pick up..
>
>What I heard last night was this :
>
>Monseiur Oujeh (sp?) of TAG bought the Ligier team and has given their...

That's "Mansour Ojjeh"

>...supply of Renault engines to McLaren. If the Ligier team can come up
>with a new supply of engines then they can race on. So, Ron Dennis's
>boys now have power to equal the best.

The Renault engines used by Ligier are not quite equal to those used by
Williams, being built by <?> rather than by Renault Sport, and are
generally one development generation behind.

>Williams are still talking with Senna. Prost has finally signed with
>the team, but there was some brief mention that F.Williams would swap
>him to McLaren for Senna + something (maybe engines). There was also
>talk that they would buy out Carl Haas's interest in Mansell, and that
>they would buy Patrese out of his contract with Benetton. Exactly what
>these rumours show is unclear, except that Williams are frantically 
>trying to get a class co-driver.

>What is Senna going to do now that McLaren have top-notch engines?
>...

QUALIFY AND FINISH BEHIND MICHAEL ANDRETTI!  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Go ahead, make my day... #)

>thos cohen

Go ahead, make my day... #)

Cheers,
Tim
From: BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: top 5 drivers,top 3 tracks
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:00:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92280.150055BWF2
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct5.214352.27163@stsci.edu>, lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo
(410)338-4577) says:

>In article 153724BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu, <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> () writes:

>>   Well, here's my take on this:
>>   CURRENT Drivers:
>>   1. Bill Elliott
>>   2. Davey Allison
>>   3. Dale Earnhardt
>>   4. Alan Kulwicki
>>   5. Harry Gant
>>
>>   Tracks:
>>   1. Dover
>>   2. Talledega
>>   3. Michigan
>> Brian ' NASCAR is number 1, PERIOD! ' France



>Ah! Yes. Now there is a truly broad view of the world of motorsports.

>France huh? Any relation???

    So sorry for the childish remarks. But, the same could be said
    for the posts that have gone on under this thread, all F1 drivers
    and tracks. I'm oh so tired of the F1 is the only real racing
    that seems to be shoved down throats that I stooped to that level.
    IMHO,(the only one that counts for me), NASCAR is the best type of racing.
    And contrary to your statement, I have quite a broad view of racing.
    I watch all types of motor racing, boats, bikes, f1, indycar, drag,
    etc. Basically, if it has an engine and goes fast, I'll watch it.
    As for being related to THE France's, sorry to say no. Though, if
    it would turn out that I am, it be tough as I'm a devote FORD fan
    and wouldn't like to switch to gm. :-)
 Brian " but my dad's name IS William " France
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:00:45 EDT
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject:    NASCAR: Tyson 400 results (SPOILERS)































        Geoff Bodine 312 laps lead, no cautions
        Mark Martin
        Kyle Petty
        Rusty Wallace
        Sterlin Marlin
        Ernie Irvan
        Davey Allison  11th
        Bill Elliott   26th  lead is now 67pts.
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Honda RA168E (a.k.a. that '88 Honda engine) and fuel preheating
Date: 1 Oct 1992 20:37:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I was reading an article on the RA168E and RA167E and it states that the
fuel was ran through an engine coolant heat exchanger to raise the
temperature of the fuel to within 15 degrees of that of the coolant
because racing fuel does not typically contain low boiling-point
ingredients.  The fuel was 84% toluene.  I still don't understand their
reason for preheating it.  What is the average temperature of fuel and
what is the average temperature of F1 engine coolant in an operating
engine?  By the way, I would think to they do the exact opposite, cool
it, to make it more dense?
Any comments?

R.Banks

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From: fosterr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond W. Foster)
Subject: Re: When is Nigel's ESPN interview?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:06:55 GMT

Might be on Speedweek, which supposed to be on Wed. at 11pm Eastern. Of
course, ESPN might decide to show something else at that time like they
have every other time over the past few weeks (Grrrrr).

Ray Foster
Indiana University
Bloomington IN USA
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What is indy car about....
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:59:09 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <1992Sep25.162553.4064@pixel.kodak.com> jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow) writes:
>In article <Sep25.035133.73569@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham) writes:
>>Why don't Valvoline (for 'tis they who supply the methanol CH3OH)
>>add a little benzene C6H6 or similar to the blend to make the flame
>>visible?
>I suspect, the reason it was not made a rule was that it would probably be
>unenforceable.  Perhaps there was no way of testing how much of this chemical
>was in someone's fuel, and therefore, everyone would use as little as 
>possible, if any.  The only way you would know is after a fire started.  Then
>how would you measure the color density to know if they used enough...

So why not run a spec fuel? M85 could be used, as it's readily
available. Since everyone buys their fuel from one supplier now, I
don't see how this would affect *relative* performance. Sponsorship
shouldn't be an issue (as it is in F1). 
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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 29 Sep 1992 08:44:22 CDT

>>Alan cut down too soon.  And Earnhardt got screwed over by "Crusty Wallace"

 >Craig where are the smiley faces ??? I was at that race (4th turn, last row)
 >and heard several radio comments from various drivers on my scanner. They all
 >seemed to agree with your statement that Rusty was the cause of the wreck.

 >I could not see it from my seat, however after talking to folks who were in
 >the 1st turn seats. And watching yesterdays (9/27/92) Inside Winston Cup (on
 >TNN) it looks like Ernie (#4) came down on Bret Bodine (#26). Rusty (#2) was
 >on the bottom of #26 since he was making a pass to get back on the lead lap.
 >One would have to guess that IWC takes their own cameras to the track because
 >that footage (sp?) was not used by TNN in their broadcast of the race :-(.

 >Its a real shame for it to happen at all, but thats racing. However lets try
 >to place the blame where it appears to belong. And from this seat it looks
 >like #4 is to catch it.

 >-Dan

 >PS: I am also a fan of Ernie, so theres no Ernie bashing here.
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Sorry about the "no smileys" Dan, I lost my host connection while typing and
couldn't finish the post before it was sent.  And you won't get any 4 bashing
here - I'm a Bowtie man myself.  Granted that Ford's been having a great
year,  but it took them 10 years to catch up to Chevy and only about 4 months
for the Chevy 18 degree heads to catch up to Ford! (flames to follow no doubt!)

My seats were by Turn 1 (East Grandstand, Sec. B, Row 8, Seat 1) but I could
follow all the action with my Olympus OM-1, 28-200mm lens and 2x converter.
I was walking to the turn 1 restroom while the "Rusty Restart" took place
that took out the GMs (Great Machines) :-( and left the Fords (Boo, Hiss!)
unscathed.

I've got my tickets reserved for the return bout next year!


Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com

"I think that I shall never see,
A driver as great as Number 3!"
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