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From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Summary: Seems to me ...
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:30:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep9.181611.27188@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
] In article <1992Sep9.160916.22051@socrates.umd.edu> rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell) writes:
] >Help me out here. A friend of mine has been debating with his girlfriend
] >the merits of a motorcycle over those of a moped for his new mode of
] >transportation.

Unless she is buying it for him, no debate is necessary.



] >Girlfriend: Mopeds are cheaper and some go 60 MPH
] >Friend: Mopeds are dangerous on the highway.
] >Girlfriend: You can take back-roads

Friend: _You_ can take the moped, and ... [ expletive-like action deleted]


] >The more opinions/facts I can support him with, the more likely he will be
] >able to defeat her in this debate and by him a new mount! 

He needs cojones, not support.  If he needs _permission_ to buy a bike,
she has defeated him in a bigger way already.  My girlfriend wasn't
too happy when, two months after some bimbo totalled my first Radian,
(and nearly totalling me, too) I bought another one.  She protested,
but  knew better than to approach _anything_ resembling an ultimatum.  

] >Oh, and by the way. Neither of them has ridden a motorcycle before.

Imagine that.
 
] I assume he has his vasectomy all lined up?

This guy doesn't _need_ a vasectomy.  It would be like a man with no
arms getting a manicure.



By the way, anyone who can help me - after several weeks of e-mail
back and forth with computer administration people (I use the term
loosely) I will soon likely lose this account.  If anyone knows of
somewhere I can get another with USENET access, I would be very happy.
And I promise not to sue them, no matter what happens, even if my
motorcycle gets knocked over while I'm calling them.

                                                    Thank you,

                                                      Kevin
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Man, that was FUN!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:13:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
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In article 22843@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil, dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:

>>When are you people going to get it?  An organization with no rules can
>>exclude nobody.
>
>Nope, it just means that we can't get in trouble FOR illegally excluding
>anyone. (since there are no rules, it obviously can't be illegal for us
>to exclude whoever we damn well please)

So exactly WHO do you think has the authority to veto memberships?
You?  HA!  The KotL?  She just, well, Keeps the List (duh!).

Not only are there no rules, there are no officers, noone has any
authority.  Membership has always been, and shall always be, as free
and open as it is meaningless.


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Ih - Analog Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HERE I AM! LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING A BIG NOISE! I'M SPECIAL!
Date: 10 Sep 1992 22:39:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 25684@castle.ed.ac.uk, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <jlp.715967460@wink> jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:
>>cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>
>>>Open pipes, or the noisier kind of sport "silencers", produce enough
>>>noise to completely destroy the hearing of their owners in less than
>>>ten years of riding. Hearing damage can be measured after one hour's
>>>ride. 
>
>>Care to let us in on where you got these numbers? Is that ten years
>>of riding with your ear pressed up to the pipe or what? 

To tell you the truth, I couldn't give a rat's ass whether the rider of a 
loud bike loses his/her hearing or not. It bothers ME. Kinda like smoking.
I don't care if somebody smokes and gets lung cancer as long as their smoke
doesn't reach me.

Maybe we could design some pipes which would channel engine noise to the 
rider's ears. That way he can have the illusion of being an obnoxious
pinhead and let the rest of us live in peace.


Ron Ih
1990 Kawasaki ZX-6
ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:50:00 GMT

In article <18lh61INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 135448@is.morgan.com, spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:
>>
>>So how about a new group: rec.motorcycles.homebrew???
>
>Other than the obvious something-to-do-with-computers, the two
>non-motorcycling activities I've noticed in this group are flying and
>homebrewing.  It would seem a much higher correlation than in the
>population in general.  Any speculations?

Could be we just reached the point where we were tired of fitting in,
and no longer cared what society (as the target of mass marketing)
really thought about us.  I knew I wanted to fly when I was 8 years old
(at which point, I was one by one checking out a set of 20 1930's era
aeronautics textbooks from a local library).  Dad (who was in the USAAC)
thought it was great; Mom (and Grandma) were horrified.  Mom didn't
like it because it worried her; Grandma didn't like it because
was a deviant sort of thing, just like she disliked when I played
boogie-woogie instead of Beethoven on the piano.  After 3 years of
college, and having a flying brother pave the way, I just got tired
of waiting and started flying lessons.  The same brother had a motorcycle
at one time; fond memories of riding behind him probably kept some
interest in riding up.  I almost got one in college, but at the time
lived in an urban area, and saw how cagers treated riders.  Brewing?
Well, just another one of those things; I always assumed it was
too complicated.  Now that I know otherwise, I don't really care if
folks think it's strange.  They think it's strange that I make
chilli from scratch instead of opening a can of Hormel.  They think
it's strange that 18 months ago I had a short beard and a flattop,
and 6 months ago I had a long beard and a pony tail.  I just really
don't care what anyone who is unwilling to look beyond superficial
details thinks of me.  Maybe I am a rebel without a cause or something...

Then again, maybe the common thread is that we're all people willing
to think for ourselves, instead of letting Madison Avenue think for us.
Perhaps that's why, even though I've only met one rec.moto personality
in person, I feel closer to many of you than I do to a lot of people
I see every day.

Maybe it's time for another "why do you ride?" thread....


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles,ba.market.vehicles
From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: For Sale: 1983 Yamaha XS400SJ Heritage Special
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:49:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

For Sale:  1983 Yamaha XS400SJ Heritage Special

- Black
- 400 cc inline twin
- < 14,000 miles
- Runs well
- New front tire
- Newly rebuilt carbs
- Sold with Eclipse Cordura Soft Luggage (side bags)
- Some rust and a few small tank dents.
- Current California tags 

Available in San Jose, California (distribution restricted to bay area)

$500.00 obo

Email to edg@netcom.com or call (408) 283-0511 evenings
-- 
Ed Greenberg 		| Home: +1 408 283 0511 | edg@netcom.com
P. O. Box 28618		| Work: +1 408 764 5305 | DoD#: 0357
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: key fobs
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:01:52 GMT

The Czech is in the male.

Or at least it will be when I hear where to send it.

--
Ben Cox        | '80 KZ550LTD
thoth@uiuc.edu | DoD#456
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:28:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.024641.29978@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <18mdcjINN2ma@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>
>>As I rant on, just what IS the deal with bikini-clad women in high heels?
>>They seem to infest motorcycle posters, motorcycle magazines, car
>>magazines, and calendars featuring airplanes to drilling equipment.
>>Do hets *really* find the heels-bikini combo sexy?  Even when holding
>>a pipe wrench?
>
>No, I sure don't.  I rather think it quite stupid.  I also think the Corbin
>catalog (yes, I got a '92 catalog) has some remarkably stupid photos in
>it based on infantile display of skin.  I am not often swayed to buy a 
>product based soleyly on advertising, but I can be totally turned off a
>product by stupid advertising.
>

Sure the high heels are stupid, and they probably don't know what to do with
the wrench, but what the hell. If there's a prettier sight than a scantily clad
(or unclad) woman, I've not yet seen it.

Jeff Achenbach
achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:50:07 GMT

In article <dbc-140992210024@b62003.student.cwru.edu> dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.153625.1807@ohrd.uucp>, ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu
>(Jody Levine) wrote:

>> Wouldn't it be just as sexy to show a 
>> woman women in well-fitting, sexy leather riding gear who looks like she 
>> has a clue? If not, is the purposeful exclusion of half the population from
>> motorcycling a wise marketing move?

>I don't know.  For me, the appearance of an attractive woman in full leathers
>would provide enough distraction that I probably wouldn't notice the cycle.
>But then I'm funny that way

1)  zipping through the ads from yamaha last night:

        in the ads for the seca2: just the bike appears, no babes (tm), no
        studs (tm).

        in the aftermarket yamaha stuff ads: two women, both in full leathers,
        one on bike (pillion, though), one modeling leathers (next to a
        similarly-attired male).

2) is it the bike makers that advertise with skin, or the aftermarket people?
        i haven't seen an ad in any rag, for a manufacturer, which shows any
        amount of gratuitous flesh.

3) i'm the last person that should be saying: can we *please* get back to
         riding, posing, and lying, and *off* the women-are-oppressed-men-
         are-pigs thread?  i'm not disagreeing, i'm just questioning its
         place in this forum (disclaimer).

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|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
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From: yduj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Judy Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leather pants
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:33:16 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep9.192425.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>
>In all my years of riding I've never worn leather pants.  Just the
>thought of wearing them made me sweat.   But now with yet another
>fall approaching I'm beginning to wonder...would leather pants allow
>me to ride later into the cold season?  Are they much warmer than
>jeans?

I find leather pants to be significantly warmer than jeans.  However,
I tend to be of the cold-blooded variety, which means that I get cold
pretty fast in the fall.  My leather pants are tailored to fit *over*
my jeans (making it easy to slip-on/slip-off for riding, no need to
either look funny at my destination or quick find a ladies' room to do
the swap), and add quite a bit of warmth.  Even so, I find that if the
temperature is in the 50's I'm *still* too cold, so I put on my
rainpants as well.  Which fit over the leathers.  At this level of
layering, it gets kind of hard to bend my knees; kind of have to shift
things around when I first get on the bike.  If it gets colder still,
I have to add long underwear under the whole mess, which does require
the "find a ladies' room at the end of the ride" to change out of, ah
well.  At some point in here I start to fail in the job "keep my hands
and feet warm" so I stop riding.  Not a winter-rider here...

In the summer being cold-blooded is convenient; it means I can wear
full leathers even when it's hot and not sweat as much as other folks
(though I did forego the pants once this summer when it was really hot
and humid).

If you can stand the look, you might try chaps, which tend to be
cheaper than pants, but just as warm on the legs.  I wore chaps for a
while before I got my pants, but I hated the way they looked (go ahead
and mark me as a poser; but I felt I was advertising to rapists and it
really made me feel uncomfortable).  I do admit to some poser-wannabe
though; my leathers are bright red and quite spiffy.

       Judy Anderson yclept yduJ     'yduJ' rhymes with 'fudge'
	      yduJ@symbolics.com      DoD #166
    Join the League for Programming Freedom, league@prep.ai.mit.edu
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From: Richard A. Swift <Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu>
Subject: DONT READ THIS!  *CENSORED*  -Does not meet DoD humor standard
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D3BDE83101401C@rswift.aero.nd.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:42:48 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Aero. & Mech. Eng.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:38:54 GMT

What? Didn't I tell you not to.... don't you people listen?!

ObMoto: I rode in on my ZX today, same as everyday.....

Rich (the "still slightly pissed at the 'censure' thread" biker)
______________________________________________________
Rich Swift    DoD # 3030   "Provocateur Extraordinaire!" - Datasbuild
ZX-10  - Faster than the speed of thought -

                      Hessert Center for Aerospace Research
                              University of Notre Dame
______________________________________________________
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More centrifugal
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:34:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <1719@shaman.wv.tek.com> harmons@mithril.wv.tek.com (Harmon Sommer) writes:
>
>>>The primary forces acting on a bike in a turn (excluding aerodynamic forces)
>>>are gravity (down), road force (up) and centripetal (inward).

>Centripetal force comes from tire reaction on the road. Willoughby and Foale
>in "Motorcycle Chassis Design" attribute this to deformation of the tire
>contact patch and to rolling-cone camber thrust. Zellner and Weir in
>"Development of Handling Test for Motorcycles" (SAE 780313) plot the ratio
>of yawrate/steerangle as a function of forward velocity. A positive 
>steerangle is required to generate tire slip angles to hold the bike in
>a curved path.
>
>A different Z and W paper uses slip angles as one term in expressions for 
>stability. They comment that these generate dominant forces.
>
>
>>>No force called centrifugal is acting on the bike; it is a force in reaction
>>>to the centripetal force generated by the tires on the road surface. 
>
>>Ah yes, another victim of high school physics.  Welcome to the club!
>
>Both Sears, Zemanski, et al (Modern University Physics) and J.L. Meriam
>(Mechanics-Dynamics) state that no centrifugal force acts on the body in
>a curved path. 
>
>However, Puhn (How to Make Your Car Handle), Willoughby and Foale (chassis
>design), and the performance manual published by GM and sold through 
>their parts departments, all identify an outward force on the vehicle
>called "centrifugal". Pity.


Ok, all you so called physics majors.  Time for an Aerospace Engineer
to settle this.  In a newtonian reference frame (One that is not accelerating,
which means not turning or speeding up (or down)), there is NO such thing
as centrifugal force.  Centrifugal force is commoning known as the force
that pushes you towards the outside of a turn.  The person going through
the turn is NOT in a newtonian reference frame.  He (she, it, Swift) is
turning (hence accelerating) and will 'measure' a centrifugal force.
To a stationary observer (one in a newtonian reference frame.), there is
NO centrifugal force on this person in a turning vehicle.  There is a 
centriPETAL (pushing towards the center of the turn) force which is
what causes the vehicle to turn.  The wall of the vehicle pushes the person
towards the center of the turn, forcing the person to turn as well (or
the seat, if you have no walls,  Yes, shear forces exist . . . )

American engineering companies have been notorious for writing papers
in non-newtonian reference frames,  Hence the plethora of "centrifugal force"
comments everywhere.  These same companies are the boneheads who still
use inches and pounds everywhere . . .   (METRIC RULES!)


Ok, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:23:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 29978@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <18mdcjINN2ma@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>
>>Do hets *really* find the heels-bikini combo sexy?  Even when holding
>>a pipe wrench?
>
>I can only presume that such tactics continue because most people think
>it works.  To think otherwise is to question ones "manliness".  

It works because what the grease monkeys really want to hang on the
wall, their boss won't let 'em.  :^)   XYZ Corp. doesn't care about
offending anyone, because damned few people are going to *not* buy a
XYZ motorcycle because of a babe calendar.  The purpose of the ad is
not to convince you to ride a XYZ bike, it is simply to get your
attention.  Once your attention is gotten, the XYZ emblem is burning
itself into your brain.

A *lot* of advertising has nothing to do with persuading you to buy a
product, it is successful if it simply gets the product name/logo/diddy
into your consciousness for a moment.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Chainlube for my BM?
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
]In article <Bu14Fr.Anw@inform.co.nz> dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) writes:
]>I have NEVER NEVER heard of a chain driven BMW K-series bike.
]The poor lad is confused, it's the Boxer that has the chain.

every so often BM does the chain drive thing and confuses the hell out of
everyone. let's get it straight, shall we? there was an early boxer that
did have a chain drive, but it simply didn't live up to the durability
requirements that BM has for its bikes so it only lasted two model years
if I remember correctly. it was tried again in 85 on some K100's but the
rear braking system they designed for it degraded rapidly. the rear brake
used the inner portion of the drive sprocket for the braking surface (you'll
note that rear brake disks on K bikes are solid, providing the necessary 
strength). the brake caliper is mounted on the swingarm on the leading
edge of the sprocket/brake disk. this all fit quite nicely with the single
sided swingarm setup, but chain goo often reduced rear braking ability.
well, BM has finally gotten it figured out (I hope!) because my 92 K100RS
has this very setup. there's a small flange around the outer edge of the
sprocket/brake disk that supposedly deflects the chain runoff, and there
are also some spongy/rubber thingies on the leading edge of the caliper
that look like some sort of wiping system. the unlimited mileage warranty 
covers the chain system so I guess we'll see how well it's put together.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BM K100RS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:28:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.162508.19234@varian.com> bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin) writes:

>My Puch even had a dual seat and I took people for rides on it.  It was
>in fact almost a motorcycle, if you took the pedals off it looked
         ^^^^^^
>just like one.  I had the 3 speed model too.  Top speed was 34mph
                                                             ^^^^^
>and it really didn't corner all that well, did 3600 miles on it
>between 1972-74.

>Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA, FSSNOC, DoD #257
>bob@varian.com     242,201 miles and counting     CBR600, ST1100, KLR650



This isn't meant as a flame, but come on.  Call a spade a spade.  There's 
mopeds and scooters and there's motorcycles.  I've never confused the 
two and for the life of me I can't really understand how this thread is 
going the way it's going.

I've ridden mopeds and scooters before on trips to Bermuda and Grand Cayman 
Island and they were kind of fun . . . in a setting where the roads are 
curvy and windy and traffic is limited to about 30 miles per hour.  In a 
situation like that, as a tourist in a country where a moped or scooter can 
actually be a part of the flow of traffic, with a little in reserve (the 
scooter I had in Grand Cayman did 40-45 mph), I could see riding a moped or 
scooter.  Just remember to ride on the left!

But stateside I can't see even considering getting into the flow of rush-
hour traffic on anything close to what I rode in the tropics.  
Granted I only ride a Honda CL360 now, but a top-end of 75 or 80 (flame me 
now) is a heck of a lot better than 35 or 40.

My advice to anyone considering motorized, two-wheel transportation:  Buy a 
bike and save the moped or scooter for your next trip to Bermuda.

 

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