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From: kathy@fleance.uk.sun.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Weightwatchers meal for the day before you shop
Date: 15 Jan 1993 10:41:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kathy@fleance.uk.sun.com
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Hi Gang,

Today is shopping  day, so last night was 'pot luck' for dinner.  As I'm frantically trying to lose 3lbs so I can
get weighed in at Weightwatchers next week, it has to be by the book too.  This is what I created, it was so
good I thought I'd share it with you.

Lentils and veg au gratin.

ingredients:

1 tsp vegetable oil
1 onion
1 tin tomatos
1 swede
4 oz mushrooms
4 oz lentils
herbs - take your pick, I used sage, cumin, corriander
2 oz cheddar heese

In a fairly large saucepan, fry the onions gently in the oil.  
Add the mushrooms, cook until most of the juice has been extracted (about 5 mins).
Add the tin of tomatoes, and herbs.
Add the lentils.  Cook for about 20 minutes, till lentils are cooked but still chewey.

Meanwhile, cook/microwave the swede (skin and cube it first).  When cooked, mash.
When the lentils are cooked, add the mashed swede,  Transfer the whole lot to a grill-proof dish.
Grate the cheese, sprinkle on top of lentil mixture.
Grill until the cheese bubbles.


Serve with loads of extra veg.  Serves 2 hungry people.  

WW exchange (per portion) 3 Protein 1/2 fat
From: jml@cs.bham.ac.uk (Jane Littlehales)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Stop the Insanity
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:48:38 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham Univ. UK

Hi!

I've been reading this group for a while and find it very encouraging. There's
one thing that really confuses me though - US dress sizes! I always thought they
were just one less than UK so a US 10 is a UK 12 etc but
( from  mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur))

>	 Susan used to be 260+ and now is in the 100 range (she's a size 2)

Which would make her a UK 4. Except UK sizes only go down to an 8 and that's
pretty tiny. I've also been hearing about sizes up to a 30W over on
alt.support.big-folks when discussing where to find larger sized clothes.

Could someone please explain? 

Thanks!

Jane
(UK size 16 to 20 depending on cut and manufacturer but aiming for 14)
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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: ww exchanges?
Keywords: need exchange info
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:15:18 EST

In article <C1Btsn.IA@news.iastate.edu> sjryan@iastate.edu (S. J. Ryan) writes:
>	I'm not exactly sure what WW exchanges are, since I haven't
>been in quite a while, but in diabetic exchanges, which are
>very similar, a waffle (depending on how full of extra stuff it is)
>could be anywhere from a bread, to a bread and two fats.  Eggo Special
>K waffles have less than 1 gram of fat and 80 calories.  They would
>be a bread.  If you want waffles that have 3-5 grams of fat, count it as
>one fat, and anything higher than that as two.
>
>	I don't know about "floaters".  Hope this helps.
>
>Sandi

The floaters are now called "personal selections".  You will get them 
on week 3 (I think...).  They're extra exchanges that you can use 
anytime during the week.
>
>
Margot


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From: bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Weightwatchers meal for the day before you shop
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:25:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz)
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In a previous article, kathy@fleance.uk.sun.com () says:

>Hi Gang,
>Today is shopping  day, so last night was 'pot luck' for dinner.  As I'm frantically trying to lose 3lbs so I can
>get weighed in at Weightwatchers next week, it has to be by the book too.  This is what I created, it was so
>good I thought I'd share it with you.
>
>Lentils and veg au gratin.
>
 
 Thanks for the recipe! It looks good, and I will definitely try it. I'm on
Weight Watchers too and have been looking through their cookbooks for meals
that might interest me. I've been eating a lot of pasta and veggies, which
is great but beginning to bore me. I need some new ideas, especially for
lunch. 
 I was wondering if other people have found favorite recipes that they've
adapted to the WW program? I know so many of us are on WW! I'd appreciate
any new ideas, and I will gladly post any recipes I find. 
 Thanks.
-- 

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:47:15 -0500 
From: "Daniel M. Fishman" <df1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Support Group in Pittsburgh


Anti-Diet Group
Based on Principles of Geneen Roth and Overcoming Overeating.
End body-size obsession and compulsive eating.
Thursdays 7:00 to 8:30 PM
Squirrel Hill Location
For more information call Rachel at 521-2191.
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From: barbaraj@csc.ti.com (Heart Dancer)
Subject: Re: temptations
Reply-To: barbaraj@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:47:15 GMT

In article <63620156@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:

>> ... but the one to 'keep a low-fat environment' is
>> probably the *most* important.  it's also the hardest one to measure, and
>> subject to the most tortuous chains of logic, but it's got to be held if
>> you really want to achieve success.  (The definition of environment is
>> also tricky; it depends on the food, how attractive it is to you, etc, etc.
>> In my case, I'm more or less immune to the charms of peanut butter, and I
>> can safely keep a jar of it in the fridge.  Not so for chocolate.  When
>> I get the urge, I remind myself that I'm (mildly) allergic to cholcolate
>> and resist the urge to buy it in the first place...

While my approach to losing weight is on the other end of the continuum from
Pete's, (I follow the Diets Don't Work/Breaking Free approach), I have
also found that it doesn't support me to have the "beckoners" around.
Beckoners are foods that I'm likely to eat just because they are there
whether I'm hungry or not.  Just about any kind of chocolate beckons
to me, but B&J's NY Super Fudge Chunk seems to have a particularly
loud voice :-).  I don't feel deprived about not having it in the
house because I know I will allow myself to buy some when it is
exactly what I want to eat and I am hungry. I do keep somewhat
healthier sweets which satisfy my sweet tooth most of the time (Health
Valley cookies, sorbets and ices, etc.)

I also am willing to buy a special treat, eat part of it, and be
satisfied.  Then it tends to become a beckoner, and has to be dealt
with accordingly.  (Thanks for the windex idea!  Reminds me of the
time I was at a restaurant with the remains of french toast beckoning
to me after I was no longer hungry.  The waitperson was nowhere to be
found, so I dumped catsup and pepper on it, and it suddenly lost its
appeal :-).

BJ
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Dress sizes 
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:53:38 GMT

In article <C1HE3H.AAK@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>
>If US women's clothing sizes are tied to something definable or 
>understandable then the universe is a far different place than I
>thought it was, so everything I know must be wrong.  
>

Understood!!!  What size do US women's dress sizes go up to?  In looking
for bridesmaid's dresses for a wedding we discovered that most of them
go up to dress size 22 -- the next size is 38.  Is that a blouse size?
Why do they jump over to a different scale?

On a related note, does anyone know of a bridal store in the 
Washington DC area (hopefully NOrthrn VA) that carries larger size
bridesmaids gowns to try on?  Most of the shops carry a size 10 in
each dress and that's it. 

Thanks!
Chris
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: skin
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:57:31 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <63620136@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>I was pretty lucky; very little loose skin.  Lord knows I had a chance for
>
>I still look better in clothing than without a shirt...
>
Join the other 98% of the human race.  At least you probably don't
draw a crowd on the beach now.




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From: xxjean@peridot.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeanetter Barnes)
Subject: fat reduction
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:32:55 GMT

Hello everyone,

Thanks to all who responded to my post about how water does/doesn't aid in weight loss.  While reading your responses, I noticed that
many of you are a part of a formal weight loss program such as 
Weight Watchers, etc.  Well, I have about 20 lbs. to lose before the end of April (I am participating in a slimathon -- a fat-reduction contest), but can't seem to stick to a formal, calorie counting
diet.  About eight months ago, I participated in a 'Physicians 
Weight Loss' program that guaranteed a loss of 1 lb. per week
which worked out okay but I eventually deviated from the diet because of the slow progress rate.  However, I did not gain any of the
weight back.  Did any of you try just working out and cutting 
back on calories before joining WW?  If so, did you have any
success at all with this?  This is what I plan to do to reduce
fat and hopefully lose the 20 lbs.  I've been working out (step
aerobics) 5 days a week, 1 hour a day for about 3-4 weeks and 
haven't noticed a change in my weight (not even 1 lb).  However,
I have noticed a difference in the way that my clothes fit, so 
maybe this is working after all.


Jeanetter
xxjean@peridot.lerc.nasa.gov     
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:17:09 EST

In article <1993Jan25.140122.14173@emr1.emr.ca> thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:
>In article <Jan.22.16.15.31.1993.26214@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:
>>
>>>In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
>>>shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>
>>>should treat them as your possession.  One thing that I would like
>>>to pass along that I learned from OA is to stop beating yourself up
>
>>What is really frustrating are the people who know that you're on a
>>diet but they don't understand how the plan works, and every time you
>>eat something that doesn't seem dietetic, they say "Some diet - whats
>>that the Cream Puff diet?"  (This was what I heard from some guy when,
>
>
[stuff deleted]

>Tracy
>

This can become interesting after you've had a major weight loss.
Once my husband realized I knew what I was doing he was amazed at
the amount of frozen yogurt I was eating (usually two servings (1/2cup)
a day-which I use a WW milk exchanges...I know, it doesn't say you can...).

So don't let what people say get to you because when they see the 
results *that* will shut them up!

Margot

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From: lol@cisco.com (Lol Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Dedication
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:16:33 GMT
Organization: Cisco Systems, Menlo Park, CA, USA

In article <1k2fcfINNjiu@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson) writes:
>
>I have a small problem though and that is I have no will power.  I
>don't buy things that aren't good for me so that usually isn't a
>problem but this weekend I made a special dinner ( Chicken Cordon
>Bleu, and only 4 grams of fat in the whole meal) but he wanted
>chocolate cake.  Well, when he made it I think I ate half of it.  The
>only good thing is that there wasn't any frosting.  I am very angry
>with myself for that.
>
>Any suggestions for the future?

Yes: Don't be so hard on yourself. So you ate half a chocolate cake.
These things happen. There's no point beating yourself up about it. If
you must do penance, the best thing is to make a point of eating a
little more lightly the following day (but not *too* lightly, or you
might trigger a binge).

It's really not the once-in-a-while things that do you in. It's the
stuff you do *every day* that really counts for weight control. 

You seem to have a good handle on this: You know you've no self
control so you don't keep the stuff around. On the odd occasion like
the above, if you end up nose to nose with a chocolate cake, just
surrender gracefully, enjoy it to the hilt, and make up the difference
the next day. 

If you're going to maintain your weight for the rest of your life,
it's going to have to include chocolate cake at times (or it's going
to be a very dull life indeed). You really can do this from time to
time and still maintain/lose weight.....

Good luck,

__
Lol
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:26:21 GMT
Subject: "Challenge" is a four-letter-word!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet


Sometimes I regret being an agnostic.  "Why me, Lord?" doesn't have
the right feeling if you're not a believer.

I started my dieting because of some hearing loss.  At the time, some
pulsing noises in my right ear (and concurrent hearing loss) could
plausibly be attributed to my high blood pressure and related symptoms.

turns out it wasn't so, and after I lost weight, was diagnosed with
otosclerosis, where the inner middle ear bone (the stirrup, or stapes)
freezes to the skull.  Treatment is to replace the stapes with a 
stainless prosthesis.  We did this to the right ear in July, '91, with
great effects.  Repeated the same for the left ear in march, '92.

Unfortunately, coincident with a hell of a cold, I had stuffyness and
some 'temporary' hearing loss in the left ear.  After this went on
for 10 days, I saw my Ear-nose-throat doctor to get her opinion on
the issue.  Turns out the left prosthesis came undone, for reasons that
are totally unclear.  The next bit is to replace the thing, this time
with a more complicated one, and hope (and pray, kinda :-) that thigs
stay put this time.

I didn't need this.  I misjudged my taxes, so will owe the IRS the
several hundreds of dollars that I thought they were going to owe
me, finances are already tight, and now this.  I have an excuse to
binge, but I'm hanging in there.

Of course, with post-surgery, I now have to figure out some activities
that I can still do.  No upper body work, so I won't have to feel guilty
about skipping going to the gym.  (I'll be restricted to lifting 10 pounds
for about 6 weeks.)  I know I can walk, though this is limited by my feet.
My main concern is my bicycling.  Sanity tells me that I should stay off
the bike for a little while, til the prosthesis is bound in place.  (THe
fact it departed after 9 months *is* odd; bone-steel fusion should be
perfect in 3 months or so.)  I'll ask the doctor how long next time I
see her, but I'm guessing that I can start *easy* rides in a week or
so, but will have to stay away from hills for 3-6 weeks.  Maintaining the
bike is also a challenge; the garage door needs serious adjustment to
get lifted without major strain for me know.  I have neither the time
nor the money to get it right before the surgery.  I'm already planning
to move my work bench into the shop-cum-family room-cum shop to avoid
this problem, though I have to figure out how to get a 30 pound bike
onto a stand given the weight limitations and the tools available.

Whee!  Just when I think I have a routine, life happens.  Got too much to
do to feel sorry for myself, though I don't mind bitching...

Pete Brooks

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:02:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Yahoo!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Aaaalllllllll Rightttttt!

yes, moderate exercise (what you are doing) *can* serve to decrease
'appetite', though it may be more a a factor that it's a great way to
release stress, and thus may stop some of the stress-type eating
behavior.  (Particularly true in my case.)

I'll bow to those who know more about physiology for the correct
answers, though...

Pete Brooks
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: food
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:56:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:

>In article <1jrodtINNslh@mirror.digex.com> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes:

>>> Actually, you should eat relatively little meat--about 4-5 ounces a day,
>>> and the rest of your diet should be grains, legumes (beans), fruits and
>>> vegetables.  You're smart to delete added fats, but also be aware of
>>> the fat hidden in other foods, such as meat.
>>
>>Agreed.  Except that 4-5 ounces of meat *every* *day* is actually pretty
>>extreme, based on historical and biological norms.  That much per week or
>>per month is more reasonable.

Are you including fish and cheese in that category?  If you just mean
meat, then I agree, but apparently we need 4-6 servings of protein
a day (meat, chicken, fish, eggs, beans, cheese, nuts).

A serving is 1-2 ounces depending on what it is.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: A beginner's questions..
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:13:13 GMT

In article <63620155@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>
>on a (real) bike, I never use a walk-thing; I'll think, talk to myself, or
>


If I am riding a real bike, I find, I need my ears to listen for
traffic or shouts of "on your left" from other cyclists whizzing
past me. A "walk-thing" (is that the nonsexist word for Walkman?)
would be positively dangerous. I know many people still use them.
Those are the people I often nearly mow down on my bike, because
they don't hear me coming and shouting madly "on your left!"



From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:48:37 GMT
Subject: Re: A beginner's questions..
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Hmm, I normally listen to country/classical (hey, I have mixed tasts), but
when I could persuade myself to get on my late unlamented Schwinn Airdyne,
Devo was great exercise music.

Seriously, whatever works best for you will be highly individual.  When I'm
on a (real) bike, I never use a walk-thing; I'll think, talk to myself, or
if the urge gets really strong, will start singing.  I'm going too fast
for critics, and my repertoir (spelling!) ranges from 'Over the Rainbow'
to 'Poisoning Pidgeons in the Park', though I've been known to mix in some
phrases from Wagner and the Ode to Joy.

Pete Brooks
From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (i'm the baby, gotta love me!)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: ww exchanges?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:17:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.eng.sun.com
Keywords: need exchange info


let's suppose, just for one moment, that i were to eat an eggo nutri
grain waffle.  no butter, no syrup, just the waffle itself.  what would
be the ww exchange for this?  now, i'm not planning on eating a 
waffle at this time (it's my first week), but i dearly love them and
hope that they'll fit into the system somewhere.  anyone know?

now.  second question - i notice that some of the ww food at the
store is labeled with 'floater' rations instead of 'optional calories'.
what is the exchange between the two?  if i have half a floater for 
example, is this approx 50 optional calories?

how EVER will i survive my weekend in napa and wine train trip this
weekend (yeah, that one was rhetorical, i know what i need to do, and i
know i can, i just wanted to be melodramatic for a moment...)?

it's only been 3 days since i started ww, but i swear i feel different al-
ready.  not thinner, just...better.  vegetables have never really been a 
part of my life, so maybe just the sudden change in my eating habits 
are making a difference....

beanO





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From: pattee@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Donna Pattee)
Subject: Water
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:29:30 GMT

I have been trying to avoid getting involved in this discussion since some
people seem to take it so personally, but I've put on my flame-proof armor,
so fire away!

While I was an active WW member two years ago, I decided to try to drink
8 glasses of water a day "just to see".  I managed to do it almost every
day fairly easily by keeping a 32 oz. mug on my desk weekdays, drinking
one before lunch and another before going home.  Then on weekends I carried
my 32 oz. water bottle with me everywhere.

What did all that water do for me?  It kept me from retaining fluids so 
that I never had to worry about whether a 2lb gain was water weight or fat.
In fact, I never had the kind of daily fluctuations that I see now that I
am on lifetime maintenance and drinking much less water.

I don't believe that thirst is an adequate indicator of one's need for 
water.  Like another poster, I am almost never thirsty.  If I drank only
when I was thirsty, I might have an 8 oz. glass of water every three days.
There have even been times when I was dangerously dehydrated (and being
threatened by an exasperated doctor with the hospital and an IV if I
didn't re-hydrate myself) that I still wasn't thirsty.  This trait may 
be more common in women than in men as I have been on mountain horseback
rides with women who were obviously getting dehydrated and arguing that
they didn't want any water from the canteen because they weren't thirsty - 
meanwhile, the men on the ride would have almost empty canteens because  
they had been guzzling through the whole ride.  (Just a gross over-
generalization, and not necessarily something that needs to be discussed
on this newsgroup.)
From: bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: temptations
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:23:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


 Hi. I'm new to this group, so I am sure this had been
discussed before but I need some help!

 What do you do to avoid eating those calorie-laden
goodies that can sabatoge even the best intentions?

 Right now, a big box of gourmet, imported chocolates that
I hid away in the back of a kitchen cabinet are calling me.
I'm at work; the candy (a gift) is at home. I'm obsessing
about the chocolate and getting pretty nervous about going 
home.

 I'm planning on working out before I go home and have a 
healthy dinner all planned out, but I fear I am facing an
out and out binge. I'm on Week Three of Weight Watchers and 
have been doing really well on the program. I don't have 
very much weight to lose at all, but I am getting married 
in September and want to get back down to what I was when
my boyfriend and I first started dating - I have about
a size to lose. I'm very motivated, have been working out
daily and following the Weight Watchers program exactly.
 
 So, how do I win out over the chocolate? I can't throw them
away because that wouldn't be fair to my fiance (he can 
eat them), plus I'd feel guilty throwing away perfectly
good candy that would make a nice addition to a future dinner
party....I know eating one would lead to eating them all...

 Thanks!!

 -- Brett
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