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From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 17:53:58 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <26054@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> In article <!fA=Ag+@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> > 	Flame on?  Nope.  The Husky fans have too much class for that! 
> 
> 
>  hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Too much class? Now that's a good one!!
> Geez - until this moment I didn't even think they had a sense of humor never
> mind the slightest bit of class - I guess this "class" suddenly appeared
> when they had to realize that they are the second best team in the Pac-10
> this season huh? They'll most likely go to the Rose Bowl but everyone
> knows who really is the best in the Pac....
> 
> 
> 			gln
> 
> 


	Don't be so happy now.  Dawg bit the cats the last two years.  The
cat waited for two years in the shadow for this chance.  Now the finally
got their revenge.  But the Dawg will remember this well and bite the 
cat the first chance they get next year.....   And so it goes.

	The Dawg only have class for fellow classy fans, but will have
no class against the classless felines.

- C. Yang
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From: elliott@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee)
Subject: Re: Bowl Options (was Re: Open Question to Miami fans)
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183345.28651@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>Here's an interesting scenario which could happen still.  As of the time
>I'm posting this, the Pac Ten has not yet announced any penalties against
>the UW for the Hobert violation.  One penalty that has been discussed is
>forfiture of just the Stanford game, since some papers allege that head
>coach Don James was aware of Hobert's loan before the Stanford game (although
>both Don James and Athletic Director Barbara Hedges both deny this).  If
>the Pac Ten does make UW forfeit this game, then Washington would no longer
>be in the driver's seat for the Rose Bowl, that honor would belong to 
>Stanford.  In addition, Arizona also would be ahead of UW in the standings.
>That would leave Washington as Bowl Coalition material. Miami would still
>probably meet either Alabama or Texas A&M if one of those teams remains
>undefeated.  Should they falter (or the Canes drop a game to Syracuse),
>it would really leave open a Miami - UW Fiesta Bowl matchup (although it
>wouldn't by any stretch be for the MNC from UW's point of view).
>
>Just a thought (that will probably be moot when the Pac Ten releases their
>findings today).

It seems like if they knew about it before the Stanford game, then ALL of
their games afterwards should also be forfeited if any -- not just Stanford.
I guess in that case, UW would have a losing record or close to it and if
they planned ahead of time could have been locked into the Blockbuster Bowl.
-- 
Elliott Lee
elliott@cs.uoregon.edu
From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Meeks = Corso = CORRECT!!!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:08:30 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov10.230839.27118@u.washington.edu>, crs@stein.u.washington.edu
(Cliff Slaughterbeck) says:
>
>I will stipulate that both you and Corso called it.  I still disagree that
>Corso has a brain.  Remeber, he also called Louisville over TAMU and BC
>over Notre Dame this weekend.                                        ^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no, he didn't. in the noon show on espn he said that notre dame would win big
---
later,
sunil
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Subject: Re: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:58:25 EST
Organization: Penn State University

How many SEC teams has Miami approached for a series?  A lot
has been written about how scared the SEC is of blahblahblah,
but I don't recall anyone saying that Miami actually proposed
a series only to be turned down.


I apologize if my request for facts is unnerving for some of you,
maybe such facts could make this thread a bit more productive
than the current "you're chicken" "are not" "are too" nonsense.


Jim Thomas
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:01:28 GMT

stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:

>Cooper had experience
>at a big name program, he was coach of the year, he had a Pac-10
>championship, and he had beaten Michigan in the Rose Bowl

Wasn't Cooper previously the coach of Arizona St.?  If so, when
did ASU win a Pac-10 championship?  Additionally, I know that
the Pac-10 winner plays the Big Ten winner, but I don't ever
remember ASU going to the Rose Bowl against Michigan.  Can
somebody give the details on this one?

BTW, I was an undergrad when Woody got fired (was even at the
Clemson game when he punched Charlie Bauman, OUCH!) and was in
grad school when Earle got the axe.  As far as Cooper going, I
wouldn't put anything past the Alumni.  Their $$ is what really
fuels the decision-making process.  Still, I think bagging
Bruce was by far their BIGGEST mistake, although after reading
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR in the Alumni magazine, I have no doubt
that Cooper's butt is on the chopping block.  There's been at
least one letter in the last couple years for each issue where
somebody thinks Cooper should be out.

allen
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Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:23:43 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <100130037@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay) writes:
>>> So why don't the OU fans understand Gibb's predictament?
>>> Sending a UHaul to his house.  Some support.
>
>Did I miss something here.  I don't "get" the reference to
>the UHaul.  
>
>If a fan had a UHaul delivered to Gibb's house, well, this kind of
>stuff is sickening.  I agree - these folks are loosers, along with 
>the kind of fan who would dump beer on Gibbs after a game.  No matter 
>how poor the team plays, Gibb's deserves more respect than this.
>
Exactly.  From what I "heard", a fan had a UHaul trailor delivered
to Gibb's house.  Your comment is what I'd expect from fans....
give the guy respect:even if he is a lousy coach.

>I'll admit to being an impatient OU fan who goes back and forth on 
>Gibbs.  I understand very well that probation has hurt OU.  I also 
>admire the job he has done given the condition the program was in 
>when he took it over.  *But*, IMHO, there are games which OU has lost 
>(Texas past few years, and USC this year) in which the team has 
>appeared ininspired and unprepared.  This, in my mind, reflects badly 
>on the entire OU coaching staff.
>
I have wondered why OU has lost to Texas the past several years,
after being favorites going into the game.  If it is as you say
"ininspired and unprepared" then the coach has to take the blame.
These kinds of things[UHaul-beer] makes the OU coaching job very
unappealing to the next coach if Gibbs does get fired.
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From: ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl)
Subject: Re: Big 8 woof
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.132952@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>KU beat OU at KU, while CU tied OU at CU.   And KU didn't get thumped
>by NU as bad as CU.
>
	true, but Nebraska had it's 2nd/3rd unit during the 4th quater. plus,
	i don't suppose they want to run up the score like they did agst CU.

>>
>As for next year:
>[from Athlon's 2 deep preseason roster]
>KU loses
>	Off:
>	line-Marcum,Loneker
>	QB-Hilleary
           '`'`'`'`' 
>	RB-Cozzens, Douglas, Johnson
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	WR/TE-Licursi, Gay
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Def:
>	line-Moore, Brown, Stubblefield
			    ^^^^^^^^^^
>	LB-Bailey
>	DB-Bowen
	 ^^^^^^^

wow, looks like KU is gonna be really thin next year. no QB,RB,WR......looks
like this year was gonna be their year to go for a championship,
the offense will be short of players. Is nate florell still with the team>?or
is he gone already? oh well...
defensively, well, seems like KU is losing big time players too.

...but they've got a heck of a coach who should be around for a long time .. :)

hank
ongh@iastate.edu

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From: chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson)
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 13:50:40 GMT

in article <92311.085508JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
> 
> Yesterday the NCAA sent an official letter of investigation
> to Auburn, citing *9* major violations of NCAA regs.  Among
> the charges (never really specified by ESPN, but I can only
> assume they are related to the Eric Ramsey business) is the
> claim that Pat Dye was aware of the various violations, but
> took no action.  Auburn says they will cooperate fully; Dye
> isn't saying anything.
> 
> This could be serious trouble for Dye and Auburn, especially
> coming on the heels of the sanctions handed down to the Auburn
> tennis and basketball squads for infractions that occured while
> Dye was still AD.  Auburn has 90 days to investigate and respond
> to the charges.

This is really all too funny.  I remember posting something about two 
years ago regarding a friends son who was recruited by Auburn and whose
family had been offered perks if he went there.

I was shot down by the majority of readers on the net saying I didn't 
know what I was talking about, where's the proof, etc.

Well, the NCAA's got the proof now.  Don't they?


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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: SEC Freshman of the year
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:22:42 GMT

Just curious netters, who do you think should get SEC Freshman of the year?

I would have to put QB Tanneyhill of South Carolina ot the top of the list. He
may not be a great QB, but he's motivated a team that may very well go 6-0
since his debut.


David

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Boilerweenie Alert!!!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:35:40 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.215906.9094@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>than Alabama (numerous thread titles).  A certain Mr. Dave Meeks (clever
>last name, I must admit) contributed to all of them, generally uspetting a

Oh.. go ahead Cliff, pick on my name...  I could say something about 
last name's too, but wouldn't want the wraith of the One True Goober (tm)
cast down upon me :-)

>Now you see the big problem.  Meeks is a Boilerweenie.  All this time, and
>we had no idea.  Chapin's security police must be better than we thought.
>If Meeks hadn't let this slip out, who knows how much damage he might have
>done.  I suggest you sick Debbie on him.

That would be Mr. Boilerweenie to you :-)
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VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Top 25 Poll
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.223916.14566@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@meriadoc.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

   Can someone post the CNN/USA Today Top 25 poll?

   Thanks.

   Jim

Certainly.  I believe the USA today posted it early this morning.

Bill
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:15:11 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <cls4.721322494@Isis.MsState.Edu> cls4@ra.msstate.edu (Charles L. Spirrison) writes:
>
>
>A. On October 1, the Mississippi State Bulldogs POUNDED the Florida Gators.
>   ... it wasn't even close.  Shane was simply rattled by the defense.
>B. Mississippi State is currently 7-2.  The Gators are 6-2.
>C. Florida is ranked 13 by USA Today/CNN, 11 in the AP.
>D. Mississippi State is ranked 16 in each poll.
>
>  .... something is wrong here
>

Depends on how you look at it.  Florida is currently 6-2.  Their two losses
came AT Tennessee (AP #23), and AT Miss. St (AP #16).  They have wins over
Auburn and Georgia (AP # 12), as well as Southern Miss.

Mississippi State is 7-2, but their losses came AT LSU (that's the 1-8 LSU
team mind you), where they lost by 21 points, and AT South Carolina (that's
a what, 3-6 team???), where they lost by 15.   They have wins AT Texas, 
vs. Florida (AP #13), and AT Memphis State.  

Looks like Mississippi has 1 win over a top 20 team, #13 Florida
Looks like Florida has 1 win over a top 20 team, #12 Georgia.

The big difference is in the losses.  Florida lost AT Tennessee and AT
Mississippi State, two top 25 teams, and both on the road.    Mississippi
State has bad losses to LSU and S. Carolina, two teams that are something
like 2-14 without the wins over Miss. State.  The two losses hurt them  quite
a bit.  COnsidering those losses, I would say they are lucky to
be ranked as high as they are
Auburn, 
>Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens as Bulldogs take on Bama.  
>Logic dictates a 'Bama victory - but Jackie's troops play very well when
>cast as underdogs (esp. at home).  -  My guess:  Offense is the key for
>State.  QB Plump (or his sub) must have a good game.  A number of completions
>will be needed to keep the Alabama defense honest, and to insure a productive
>running game.  State's defense is good enough to keep the Alabama scoring down
>PROVIDED that the defense isn't on the field much over half of the game.
>The Bulldogs can win this game (with a little luck).  Maybe THEN they'll be
>ranked over Florida!
>
>cls4@ra.msstate.edu               GO BULLDOGS!
>


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From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Jayhawk Post #40 (Cozzens sidelined)
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:33:26 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

From November 4, 1992 issue of the University Daily Kansan.

BRIEFS

Knee Injury Sidelines Jayhawks' Fullback
for Saturday's Contest Against Nebraska
from the Associated Press

Kansas fullback Monte Cozzens, the team's second-leading rusher, will not play
in the Jayhawks' game against Nebraska Saturday because of a knee injury,
officials said. Cozzens, who has rushed for 533 yards this season, had
exploratory arthroscopic surgery Monday.

Kansas coach Glen Mason said the surgery proved the injury was not as serious
as once thought. "With the use of a brace, within a week he should be back,"
Mason said.

Cozzens was listed as probably for Kansas' game with Colorado on Nov. 14.
Sophomore fullback Chris Powell will start in place of Cozzens against
Nebraska.

Posted to r.s.f.c. by Kansas Mary
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Pepsi State vs. BYU, Marshall Faulk vs. BYU
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:18:03 GMT

In article <#{#@byu.edu> cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator) writes:

   I think Faulk is a good (not great) running back, but one reason Faulk had
   the yardage he did against BYU is that two of BYU's starting linebackers (a
   major part of the defense) were injured, and not playing.  Sorry SDSU, you
   aren't as good as you think.   

I think you are absolutely right here, Chem., and I'm amazed that mark missed
this point.  Its even more embarassing that he failed to understand the clear
relationship between the two byu linebackers and all of Faulk's other 200+
yard games.  I sure hope your guys get better before he plays Miami, or the
stiff may just end up with the big H this year.

Keep up the informative analysis.

Bill

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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: AP top 10 remaining games, Syracuse road to the top
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.151320.2111@spss.com> mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:
>          11/14         11/21         11/28         12/6
>          -------       -------       -------       -------
> Miami    Temple        Syr           SDSU
> (8-0)                  (10)
>          ---------------------------------------------------

Scenarios not involving Syracuse deleted.


>          ---------------------------------------------------
> Syr      Bost C        Miami
> (8-1)    (17)          (1)
>          ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> If Syracuse wins their last 2 games and Alabama stumbles (2 BIG ifs),
> could be Syracuse vs TAMU for the MNC. Michigan will loose in the Rose Bowl.
> 
> --
> Mike Cornwall
> mike@spss.com

What happens if Syracuse beats BC but loses to Miami, as expected?
Where does Syracuse (at 9-2) go bowling?  Reportedly, Joe Paterno
has rejected Syracuse as an opponent for the Blockbuster Bowl.


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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:13:22 GMT

In article <6799@news.duke.edu> ds4@soc7.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
>
>If you are going only by rating (which it seems like you are doing), you do not
>understand football much.  Out of the four quarterbacks in question, Torretta has
>the most inexperienced line protecting him, and the weakest running game.  This
>means that Torretta is not only forced to throw alot, but under a great deal of
>pressure. The fact that he is doing this well in that situation, and in crunch
>time, he always comes through (just ask FSU) is what makes him a great
>quarterback.

Sorry.  In crunch time, some FSU joke tried to field a punt at the 1.  In
crunch time at PSU, the defense came through for Miami.  Yes, Torretta is
a good QB with no running game to protect him.  He's been good enough not
to give away any games, like some other QBs might.

I don't believe in going only by stats, or only by "wins".  I believe in
an intelligent analysis of who has performed the best, and he hasn't.



-- 
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From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MAC preview for November 7, 1992
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:16:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov5.111614.17129
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <CMM.0.90.4.720903343.pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>
>Games for November 7, 1992
>--------------------------
>Western Michigan at Miami: The Broncos will have to win on the road and hope 
>                           for a major, major upset in Kent to kep their slim 
>hopes of a trip to Nevada alive.  Probably won't happen.  The Redskin defense 
                    ^^^^^^   <----- ?????
>was embarrassed last week and will be eager to prove to the home folks that 
>they can play.
>My pick, Miami by 2.
Question:  I thought the MAC winner went to Fresno for the California (Raisin)
Bowl.  At least they have been for awhile.  What gives?

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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:52:34 GMT

kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.012518.25771@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>|> Some specifics from the Seattle Times:
>|> 
>|> [specifics about loan origination deleted]
>|> 
>|> Hobert said he originally borrowed $25K in April and spent it within a month.
>|> He said he bought a 1991 Camaro for about $9K, and used $5K to pay off his 
>|> wife's Blazer, and $2900 to do the same on a Hyundaihe already owned.  He put
>|> $1200 toward car insurance, spent about $1K on a semi-automatic pistol and 
>|> hunting rifle, and returned $2500 to a woman he had lived with briefly during
>|> his separation with his wife.  
>|> 
>|> Hobert said he then went back to Rice for another $10K in May and $15K in 
>|> June.  He said he traded in the '91 Camaro for a '92 Camaro, added a $4K
>|> stereo system, and spent much of the remaining money entertaining friends.

>Ah ha, now we're talking "Hard Copy" material!

>|> GT

Yep.  So now the ethical issue,  giving Eric Ramsey food is going to hurt Auburn
but this friendly little 'loan' is fine for Washington.  


David

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