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From: Ted.Ketcham@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Ted Ketcham)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: Public library use
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 23:31:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

Quoting Librarian Jim Maroon:

JM> The teacher fails to
JM> visit the library first to see what we have on this particular subject.

A few years back we got a note from our city and county librarians re/ this
issue.  The message was a bit on the scolding side, as I recall, and I don't
know that much was changed as a result of the note.  I tell my sophomores
before they commit to a research topic, that they would be wise to browse for
availability of material _first_.

What might be more effective, coming from the community library, could be a
listing of resources, limitations, etc., that I could share or pass on to
students.  The frustration is understandable, but I think we're more likely to 
cooperate with an invitation to work together than with something that feels
like criticism.  Human nature :-?

Thanks for the reminder here, at any rate.  Next semester when we start
another round of research projects, maybe we can remember to give the
librarians some warning, and even ask for some help.

Ted Ketcham, Spokane WA


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From: Jane.Whitten@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Jane Whitten)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: ASSERTIVE DISCIPLINE
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:05:12 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Nancy,
Thankyou so much for the response. I am finding it very interesting to hear 
from so many people all across the country- around the world -and get their 
feelings about this sort of thing. I'll keep in touch.
Jane

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From: Janis.Bruwelheide@p12.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Janis Bruwelheide)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Internet Use
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 15:33:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.12 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

 > Hello Janis. I read your memo here and thought I would share
 > some of the stuff I am TRYING to do with my faculty and
 > students and Internet. We do have free connection for email
 > for public school teachers in Hawaii. So at this point, I
 > have gotten the teachers online and teaching them in
Thanks for the update, Connie.  Sounds like you are moving right ahead.  My internet address isiedjb@MSU.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU.  I have access through our MSU campus mainframe and our state telecom network.  Janis Bruwelheide. wa


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From: Ken.Blystone@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Ken Blystone)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Texas Tall Tales
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 07:58:47 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

A journalist from the city was driving through the Texas hill country 
when he saw a strange looking pig standing by a barbwire fence.  Upon 
closer observation he saw the pig was limping along on a wooden leg.  
The young journalist turned on to the access road leading up to the 
farm thinking he may find a good story.
   
In front of the farm stood a rustic old farmer who greeted the 
journalist with a traditional "howdy."
    
"I couldn't help but notice that pig inside your fence--the one with 
the wooden leg," said the eager journalist.
   
"Oh! That's a very special pig," said the farmer.  "Why just last 
month my little baby granddaughter fell down in the well and that pig 
shimmyed down the well, grabbed the baby with his snout and pulled her 
up to safety."
   
The journalist started scribbling notes while saying, "That's amazing!"
   
"Oh that's nothing compared to what that pig did just a couple of 
week's ago," the farmer continued.  "The barn caught on fire and that 
there pig ran right into the flames, unlatched the stalls, and got all 
the horses out just before the roof caved in."
   
"That's incredible!" said the journalist while he reached for his 
camera.  "Do you mind if I take a picture of the pig?"
    
"No, go right on ahead," said the farmer. "That pig is a true hero!"
   
"How's that?" inquired the journalist.
   
"Well just last week my wife slipped on the back porch steps and broke 
her leg while I was gone," remarked the farmer.  "That there pig 
helped her into the truck and then drove her to the hospital and stayed 
right by her side until I could get there."
   
"That's unbelieveable!" said the journalist while snapping pictures.
     
"Well, believe it, because it's all true--yessir, a truly remarkable 
animal that there pig," said the farmer.
   
"Tell me," said the journalist, "how come he has a wooden leg?"
   
The farmer stared at the journalist and said, "Heck fire, you don't 
eat a good pig like that one all at once."


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From: Donna.Ransdell@f1311.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Donna Ransdell)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: SUBSTITUTE TEACHING
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:08:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/1311 - The Education Stati, Poway CA

 >-> One problem with subbing for extended periods here is that it is
 >-> basically a minimum wage job.

 > I'm surprised at that statement. Although I haven't
 > personally subbed in
 > a public school, I understand that the substitutes for
 > public schools in
 > this area make between $50 and $75 per day.

That's about a correct assessment. After 10 days *in the same assignment*, most school districts raise the rate of pay by $5-10/day. This is to "compensate" for the extra time one now spends in preparation for continuing the assignment.

I think the original station about minimum wage isn't exactly true, however, subbing does not pay as well as a fulltime position in a public school.


                                       -donna


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From: James.Aitchison@p4.f85.n134.z1.fidonet.org (James Aitchison)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Beta Testers Needed For Software (IBM)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 92 22:26:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/85.4 - Western Canada DATA, Stavely Alta

Hi Craig_J_Stadler.....

07 Dec 92, Craig_J_Stadler writes to All:


 CJS> If you would like to participate or know someone who would like to
 CJS> participate through you(your internet address). Please do not hesitate to
 CJS> reply.

Is it possible to send a copy to 1:134/85 in Canada?  I'd like to test it out. Especially if it will create test banks which you can draw several question types from.  Any plans for a Windows version?

Chow for now ....

James.....


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From: Graham.Gales@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Graham Gales)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Bits and pieces ...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:36:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

OK Ok I get the point ... after all I suppose I am fiortunate in having the Govt pay for my Keylink use (they don't know yet, but Jeff and Geoff will track it down.....)
Have you heard that Telecom and Nexus are now in agreement for Nexus to be the (?) main educational email system across Australai i.e. instead of Keylink into schools telecom will poush/promote Nexus ... which is a much better option for schools - cheaper and more stuff avai
lable.


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From: amundson@sendit.NoDak.edu (Dennis Amundson)
Subject: testing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:16:48 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


testing, please ignore...

Dennis
From: Helen.Sysop@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sysop)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: "King's-X" in the WAR on Drugs & Alcohol
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:42:28 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

Please refrain from posting in K12 Teacher Chat.

The message you quote are not allowed anywhere on our NETWORK.

You are one sick individual and I don't want to read your trash.


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From: Jack.Dale@p0.f49.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Dale)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: Phi delta kappa demo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:05:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/49.0 - The Student Exchang, Calgary Alta

 -=> Quoting Jeff Harrits to All <=-

 JH> - Telecommunications & Education demonstration - I'll be giving a
 JH> demonstration to the local Phi Delta Kappa chapter here in Taipei,
 JH> Taiwan.  This will be on January 16th and I'm hoping PDK members from
 JH> around the world might send words of wisdom, especially in terms of
 JH> BBSing to me in preparation for the presentation. 
 JH> Thanks for your assistance,  Shih shih nei (Thank you)

While I am not a member of PDK, I am a menber of the other education
honour society - KDP.  Hello from the Omicron Omicron chapter here in
Calgary.  I you check my previous message, you will get an idea of
some of the uses I have made of telecommunications.  

Jack



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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: substitute teaching
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:32:59 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Well, Mike, it's nice to meet a neighbor.  I think one week probably 
won't give you a real sense of the benefits of subbing.  First of all, 
it really cements in the grade level you should apply for.  For 
instance, I thought initially I wanted Kinder...only to find, much to 
my surprise, that middle school was absolutely, without question, the 
place for me.  In fact, I wasn't even planning to teach until I began 
subbing and found the perfect grade and over about three months, my 
new found career was a "must do."  I guess I feel that if you give 
yourself a chance to sub in all areas, grades, etc., you really find 
your definate grade level.
Secondly, I think that the things you learn in any educational setting 
are invaluable when you are really in a teaching postion.  Subbing is 
difficult, no doubt.  (Especially subbing at middle school level.)  
But, the important part is that you learn strategies and techniques to 
manage classrooms and unexpected occurances which are invaluable in 
the classroom.  For instance, when I started my first year, I was put 
in Dec. 16--halfway through.  But, because of four years of subbing, I 
was more able to handle a mid-year transition as I had walked into 
many a classroom that way.  I had a good idea what to expect from 
these kids as I had purposely chosen the grade level and I knew how to 
relate becuase I had practiced what worked during my four years at one 
particular middle school.
As for the pay, I disagree.....It's a bit above minimum as its $42.50 
for 8 hours work...so that doesn't work out to quite minimum in our 
district anyway.  Not to mention, often you get a class with a teache 
with last period conference and you may leave early (at least our 
school allows this and the one I subbed for).  And, as you fine tune 
and work on your techniques in the classroom, you gain important 
skills AND get paid for it.  
To top off my list of reasons why, I'll say that my references came 
from the skill that called me daily as that oftens happens.  You get 
repeatedly called because they can trust you to deal with their kids 
professionally.  So, when I went for my job interview, they were 
pleased to see four years of educational experience and impressed 
favorably with very positive references from a middle school principal,
 v. principals, and faculty.  Often, you'll get hired at the school 
you subbed at (my mid-year graduation made that impossible) and the 
job-hunting is much easier.  So
I've written enough as I could go on and on......
May I suggest you sub some more at a different grade level than that 
one week you mentioned.  Maybe that particular grade level isn't for 
you--what an important fact to discover before actually interviewing.  
Good luck..................
Carol


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From: Karl.Lundberg@p0.f118.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Karl Lundberg)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Keypals
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:52:37 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/118.0 - Keithley Komputer K, Tacoma WA

Dear Penpal,

     What's up, Penpal?  My name is Jake Geiger.  What's yours?  My 
favorite sport is football.  I play linebacker on defense and 
quarterback on offense.  What sport do you play, and what position?  I 
am 12 years old, and I go to Spinning Elementary.  What school do you go 
to ?  I live in Puyallup, Washington.   Where do you live?  I also dive 
on a diving team.  See you later.  Please write soon. 

.

  .\

  . 

   .

   .

    .

Dear Penpal,

     My name is Randy Hoosline and I go to Spinning Elementary School 
and I am in six grade in Puyallup, Washington. I collect baseball, 
football,basket-ball and,hockey cards.My favorite football player is 
Steve Largent he plays on Seattle Seahawks but,a few years ago he 
retired.  What is your hobby?  In the summer I like to play baseball and 
tackle football.  I play on the Docs Drillers for baseball.  I was named 
after my dad Randy Lee Hoosline.  My moms name is Toni Lynn Hoosline her 
madin name is Spadifor.  I have one sister and her name is Courtney.DO 
you have any brothers or sisters?  I have to quit writing now.  Write to 
you later.      

.

.

.

.

Hi, Nancy!  I'll have more letters for you after the holidays.  I'm 
planning to install a modem on my library Mac, so I won't have to grab 
time to come up to the workroom every time I want to log on.  My modem 
instructor suggested having the students write out their letters ahead 
of time, then log on to copy they onto the bulletin board.  I think I'll 
continue to have them write their letters in Microsoft Works, but when 
you have some students registered on the bulleting board, my students 
could then log on and upload what they've written.  I think that would 
be more satisfying to them then the current system of working through 
their librarians.  I hope you are enjoying (or did enjoy) the holidays! 
I'll look forward to hearing from you when I return next year.  :)K



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From: Robin.Bain@p5.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Robin Bain)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: New K12 Node
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 08:37:47 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505.5 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

Welcome aboard Mike, the schools in New Zealand will be on holiday from 18th December through till the beginning of February but we will look forward to making contact then. We now have to find you on a map and wonder what it is like living where you are.
Kia ora


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: Keypals
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:27:56 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Hi, Karl.  Thanks for your interest in the penpal program.  However, 
this area is designated for teacher chat only.  Therefore, please have 
your students send their messages through one of the penpal project 
areas or elementary chat.  Thanks for your help and best wishes for a 
successful penpal program.
Carol Hooper
Moderator Zone 1


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: BBS
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:41:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Pam, it might be best to confine local messages to a local area on 
your BBS.  And, hope you'll help in keeping our messages confined to 
educational topics rather than generic chit chat. 
Thanks very much for your help and support.
Carol Hooper
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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: bbs training
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:15:57 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <09 Dec 92  22:24:38>, Carol Hooper (1:381/64) writes:

 CH>This was a valuable message concerning training on telecommunications 
 CH>systems.  I really appreciated and found information that I could use 
 CH>as I try to bring others into the system.  Thanks...please keep 
 CH>forwarding this info...and could you elaborate on the types of 
 CH>worksheets you gave out?  

The worksheets are geared to my bbs.  They instruct the user to go to a  
specific message area and read several messages.  They require the  
participant to leave messages to other participants.  They suggest certain  
message areas that might be of interest and have the participants read  
messages there.  They give instructions for the List command and the Inquire  
command.  They state the requirements to quote a message and then reply to  
part of it.  

We also have project areas for our group projects.  Team members were asked  
to post daily progress reports on their activities.  Some of these comments  
were published in our daily "news of the day".

We explored the kiddie chat areas so that teachers could introduce their  
students to these areas duiring the school year.  We explored the channels.

We had work sheets that explained up/downloading with both apple II amd  
IBM/MS-Dos machines.  We had everyone create a simple message/paragraph using  
a word processor and then save the file as ascii text.  We had them upload  
the paragraph as a message and also as a file.  We found short text files on  
the bbs and practiced downloading them.

We tried to cover all the aspects of our system so the teachers in our  
projects would feel comfortable using the system.

Many of our participants now have arranged for phone lines in their  
classrooms and have their students using the project areas (to report team  
data), the chat areas and the channels.

I hope this helps you.

 



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From: Robin.Bain@p5.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Robin Bain)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Teach Chat Area
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 08:43:30 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505.5 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 > ED>   Is it fair to allow access to this teach chat area for all Internet
 > ED>   users and not parents on our BBS?

 > How does anyone else feel about this?????????
 > =jack=
At the top of my screen, it says "K12 Parent Teacher Chat".
I guess that was placed there for a reason.
In our school Mission Statement, we say "... in partnership with parents and the community, to provide each child...." so why shouldn't parents participate? If the end result of most of what we do is to the benefit of the children we teach, then thoughtful parent input can only be helpful. Kia ora


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Teachers' Chat converstaion
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 22:20:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Please keep your conversations here on Teachers' Chat educationally 
oriented and refrain from personal "bickering" on the system.  In this 
way, we can focus on important educational-related information.  
Thanks for your help in this matter.
           Carol Hooper
           Zone 1 Moderator


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: Math Magic
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:54:07 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Glad to help!  Please see if you have access to Channel 2 which is the 
MathMagic channel.  If so, then you can participate.  All guides and 
problems, timelines are posted there.  You can look for me to begin 
posting them repeatedly every weekend in case you have trouble finding 
them.  Therefore, I will be posting brand new messages with subject 
lines "MathMagic Guide" (3 messages), MathMagic Problem Cycle 3, and 
Timeline.  Then, just download those messages and begin working.  
Everything you need is written out for you and I'm glad to clarify any 
qeustions you may have.  I'm so pleased you are interested and feel 
you'll be pleased with your students progress as they explore math 
through telecommunications.  Let me know what else I can help you with.


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: SUBSTITUTE TEACHING
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:56:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Hmmm...In the forty miles from you, the pay jumps to 42.50 per day and 
then to 50 for 10 days plus.  Larger school districts still pay more.  
However, to restate, it's really wonderful to receive PAY for 
invaluable experience!


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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
From: sackman@sendit.NoDak.edu (Gleason Sackmann)
Subject: test message (again)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:34:53 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Sorry about this test message, but we had another visit from
"Murphy"  :)

<Gleason>
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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Greetings
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 20:47:43 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <06 Dec 92  16:03:42> to <John Waddell> about <Greetings>,
Rob Ripley wrote:

 RR> I read your message 5 minutes ago, lets see how fast the K12
 RR> network system is!

Hi, Rob!  Where have you been!  Working steady yet?

As I write this, I'm sitting in a hotel room in Edmonton (450 Km south of
Fort McMurray) tapping this out on a notebook.  I downloaded my mail before
I left home yesterday, which means that it arrived on my board at 2:00 am on
Dec. 9!!!!  The hotel room I'm in is quite civilized.  It has a data port
on the telephone itself so that I can easily call my board in Fort McMurray
and upload my mail (generated via Blue Wave) and download the new stuff.

 RR> Remember the time last year when you were looking for Typing
 RR> Tutorial software?

Yes, the chain of events that unfolded that time was truly amazing.  With
email and faxes flying around the globe, I was truly impressed with the
"Global Village"  aspect of our world for the first time.

 RR> was that big ... until K12.  As you said `the global village
 RR> has new meaning'.

Truly!

By the way, thanks for taking the time to send greetings to John.
Its' much appreciated.

Regards,
Steve


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