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From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:41:44 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <36Te02NJ24Bm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> avs20@ccc.amdahl.com writes:

> I have always been generally impressed with Dr. Spock but am a bit
> confused with the recent press reports about his stands against drinking
> milk. The newspapers and tv have not given much of scientific basis but
> instead just catchy phrases like "No More Milk and Cookies?"
> I would like to know more about :
> - Potential link to diabetes
> - Risks of drinking calcium  thru milk
> - Risks associated with drinking cow's milk at different age groups
> Of course, I agree that breastmilk is the best nutrition for infants.
> Finally, while I like Dr. Spock as a pioneer in child care and a peace
> activist, he may be in error- on the other hand, the dairy milk lobby here
> in US is very strong (funny TV commercials, though). Thanks for reading,
> Atul /email: avs20\@juts.ccc.amdahl.com / father of 19-mo old wonder

I work for the Cooperative Extension Service, and in my e-mail this morning
there was a post from Dr. Ken Lee, Chair of the Food Science Department here at
Ohio State University.  He cleared up some of these points in the message.

First of all, Dr. Spock was misquoted.  He was later contacted and said that,
as always, he was against drinking milk for babies under one, but did not say
that he was against milk for older children.  The group that put out the study,
while it is supposed to be a group of physicians, apparently only is in fact
only about 6% physicians.  The AMA does not support this position.  The group
is made up primarily of PETA members (which is a group of animal activists and
vegetarians--they are *very* radical).  Vegetarianism is their primarily agenda
here.

Anyway, I can't remember all the details of Dr. Lee's message, but the upshot
of it was that milk is still *very* necessary for the growing child (e.g., a
child could get their calcium through eating kale and fish bones, but how
likely is that?).  I will try to figure out how to post his e-mail message in
its entirety so that you can all read it.

Cindy
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:55:44 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
! [auto accident deleted -- don't you wish we could delete it altogether? :-) ]
! Then this Saturday, I had to pleasure of spending the afternoon
! in Good Sam's LDR room with false labor (unrelated to the 
! accident).  I had contractions 5 minutes apart for 2 hours,
! then 4 minutes apart for an hour or so.  I was 3CM dialated.
! The doctor decided to try to hydrate me just in case it wasn't
! the real thing.  Two 500cc bags later, they sent me home!
! I always thought false labor only happened to first timers who
! didn't know what was going on?  I was sure this was it!  

Alas, no.  It can (and does) happen even to the Pro's.  

[Your list of Demands: :-) ]
! I don't want an IV unless I'm dehydrated (which I was Sat.).  

One thing I've been told by several doctors and midwifes is
that they like to give you an IV early in case anything goes wrong
later.  If you should hemorrage (sp?) your blood pressure can 
plummet almost instantly.  If this happened, your veins would
collapse at least partially, and they'd never be able to get a
needle in you fast enough to save your life.

I don't mean to scare you; your low-risk mileage may vary.  Still,
you may want to discuss this with your doctor and trust them on it.

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:06:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Teasing Siblings
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I think that teasing is on the same par with hitting and other means of
fighting.  I don't allow it to go on for long in my house.  It
may sound nice in theory that you let kids work out their own problems;
but if you let merciless teasing go unchecked, then it may seem as if you
sanction it.  I think about situations in which there is real abuse going
on and family members look the other way; this is reprehensible.  So
while teasing may be on a minute scale in comparison, it is important to 
teach kids to treat each other with respect.  They may not understand this 
if you don't reenforce it.  The argument "kids will be kids" only goes so 
far with me.

my humble opinion,
Jane Marcus
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25292 misc.education:3591 k12.chat.teacher:4100 sci.med:18600
From: masimo@netcom.com (Michael Maas)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:52:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct6.185257.21902
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <aidler.718384836@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>
>How do doctors make their living?
>(By diagnosing illnesses and prescribing treatments.)
>The words and hypocritical actions of these professionals
>cause me to question whenever they recommend something
>"in my interest."
>
>Anyone can see that there is a huge medical industry
>in Canada and the U.S.A.  Medical doctors, nurses, and
>pharmaceutical conglomerates, etc. are all involved.
>Their objective is to form a monopoly by excluding
>all medical alternatives: naturopaths, chiropractic,
>midwives, etc.
>
>I stress monopoly because medical doctors want their
>prominence protected by law by refusing allow patients
>the freedom to choose their medical care.
>The Canada National Health Act (our socialized health
>insurance program) excludes any practitioner not
>recognized by the doctors' medical associations.
>Europeans have been much less gullible in accepting
>the absolute authority of medical doctors.
>
>A IDLER
>


Well, your real motivation for your attitudes has finally emerged.  It is
a pity when a child has to pay the price for their parents' prejudices.

Mr. Idler, please read what you have written above.  It is clear to me
that your motivation has much more to do with your own unreasonable
paranoia than  it does with the welfare of your son.

I just couldn't not say it despite the number of people on this net
who are already trying to point out to you the error of your ways.

This is a human life you are dealing with here.  If you think one shouldn't
buy a Ford because Ford is trying to take over the world, the consequences
are miniscule.  If you fail to get your son the best treatment possible
for his condition, the consequences may be incalculable.

Really, just how likely is it that that many Dr's could come together
to form the kind of conspiracy you seem to imply exists?  I'm afraid
you are beyond being reasonable at this point, but I implore you to
reexamine  your motivations nevertheless.

Mike
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.185738.12143@news.eng.convex.com> newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
>
>she taught a little girl named feh-mallie.  well, that is how
>her name was pronounced.  the girls parents were immigrants who
>spoke little/no english.  the little girl was born in a providence
>hospital.  when the attendants wheeled the little girl in her
>bassinet in to her mother's room, the mother was honored to see
>that the hospital had already named her daughter!  on the i.d.
>card and bracelet, she saw "<last name>, female".

One of my college roommates told me that on her parent's farm in
Tennessee, their housemaid's grandmother's first name had been pronounced
Pay-juh-may.  After the abolishment of slavery and while struggling as
an adult to become literate, her mother had seen the word "pajama" and
thought it sounded pretty!  Pajama Wells!!

-Nance
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:19:54 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <GeraldR.88.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes:
>My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
>think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.
>
>I don't remember ever wanting this. Do other children like it?

Sarah, now almost four (sniff), has loved having her back rubbed
ever since she was a baby.  When Ellen was weaning her this year,
she'd usually accept a bed-time backrub from mama instead of nursing.

We have a friend who is a professional massage therapist, and Sarah
insists on a rub whenever she somes to visit.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan)
Distribution: na
Organization: Quark Microsystems, Portland OR  USA


My first child is due in January, and I intend to take full advantage
of my company's liberal leave policies, but the time will 
come when I'll need to install the little darling in a daycare
situation and return to work.  

What I'm wondering is, when do I start investigating childcare
options?  Do I start now?  Do I start N months before I'll need the
service? Does whether I'm able to return to work part time for a while
(I don't know yet if I can) have any bearing on when I start looking
for childcare?

Please advise.

Many thanks!

--Ariel Shattan
  ariel@mom.intel.com

Disclaimer: This posting contains my view only and does not represent 
	    the views of Intel in any way, shape, or form.
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Washing Diapers with Tide
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:51:22 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

I mailed the original poster, but having seen 2 posts about people able to
use Tide, I wanted to give the other side.  My children have sensitive skin.
Both got ecsema at about 8 months.  Laura's went away at 2, so I hope
Brian's does too.  To combat the ecsema, we don't use soap for his bath.  
Instead we use Cetaphil (talk about expensive!).  After a bath, when he's
still wet he gets Eucerin lotion and Aquaphor ointment on top.  Cortisone
ointment (not cream!) on the ecsema when needed.

We NEVER tried Tide for the babies.  When Laura was 3, her nanny started
doing her clothes with Tide.  We couldn't figure out why she was
scratching herself all over, getting rashy again for the first time in
ages.  Finally, I asked Tina about the laundry and had her switch back to
Dreft (we actually used Ivory Snow for Laura as a baby, but now use
Dreft - don't ask me why, ask Tina!).

Once Tina (nice girl, but sometimes she isn't thinking!) washed Laura's
clothes in the same load as the cleaning rags.  Put them back in the
drawer.  Poor Laura!  Since we didn't know what had been in that load
and what hadn't, Tina had to re-wash ALL of Laura's clothes.  She'll never
make THAT mistake again.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Potty training FAQ
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:58:12 GMT

I apologize that I do not know who the keeper of the potty training
FAQ is.  I would like to receive a copy of the list.  THANKS

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: bjohnson@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (B Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (21 Year Old)
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:12:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: casper.BvFLD8.LLz
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

Cheers folks .... I'm moving out ..... :-) :-)

Bruce
bjohnson@casper.cs.uct.ac.za
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want." - Calvin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Episiotomy reference
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:47:19

In article <1992Sep29.171542.5760@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker) writes:

   I have heard in several places (perhaps here?) of a recent Canadian (?) study
   that seemed to rather conclusively demonstrate that episiotomies cause more
   problems than they solve.  Does anyone have the reference for this or other
   similar studies?  I am beginning to discuss delivery details with my doc
   (7.5 weeks to go!), and would like this as backup in case that part of the
   negotiations does not go well.  He will certainly respect scholarly works, but
   if he hasn't read it, then it is me trying to tell him that his training is
   wrong.  Any help greatly appreciated.

Someone else will probably supply the cite, or you could check at the
reference desk of the library.   However...  it's a bad idea to get a
doctor who normally does episiotomies not to do one.  A doctor can't
just follow his normal practices except not cut an episiotomy, and
expect minimal tearing.  The mother has to be instructed to not push
as the baby is coming out, so that the head can come out without
ripping the mother.  There is some other stuff that midwives do too.

My sister-in-law, who is about to study midwifery, reported this story
to me.  She was attending a birth, and the mother had instructed the
doctor not to cut an episiotomy.   The doctor had the mother pushing
very vigorously, and eventually the baby came popping out, and the
mother had a big tear.  The doctor announced "That's what happens when
you don't have an episiotomy"!  

--Anne


Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: wales@ringss.enet.dec.com (David Wales)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Reply-To: wales@ringss.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. Sydney Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:10:27 GMT


G'Day,

isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) writes:

>2.   Malaysia is LOCATED in Asia ( South East Asia ) ...
>Majority of the native is Muslim .... I believe NO such operation
>is performed !

	Recently in Australia a Malaysian prince fled back to Malaysia with
two children that were staying with their mother in Australia, one a boy, the
other a girl.  One of the mother's real concerns was that her daughter would
be circumsised.  From the reports that I heard on the radio this was quite a
possibility.

	The fact that the majority is Muslim reinforces the issue as it is they
who usually perform this ghastly operation.

David.

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Xref: sparky misc.kids:24915 sci.med:18321 misc.education:3507
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:48:39 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

>	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
>	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
>	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
>	things in their environment.
>
>	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
>	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.

	Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) is not a fallacy.  The
	existence of this syndrome is well established by empirical
	research.   The theory that hyperactive behaviors or symptoms
	of ADD are caused by food additives or allergy has no empirical
	support in the scientific literature.  I believe the Feinberg
	diet (eliminating food additives) has been empirically tested
	and found not to work.  Cognitive difficulties due to
	environmental lead exposure, by contrast, are a real problem.

	Not every child with a behavioral problem or learning disability
	needs Ritalin or other psychotropics.   Ritalin  has probably
	been overprescribed in some quarters.  The results of treatment
	with Ritalin in ADD/ADHD sometimes seem miraculous; the medication
	can be extremely helpful for some children.

--
================================================================= 
mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Movement-How much is enough/too much?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:38:39 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA


This may seem like a strange question, but if reading misc.kids has taught me
anything, it's been that strange questions are acceptable :-)

This pregnancy has been so very different from my last (in many ways I say
Thank Goodness to that) and I usually think -- "Oh good. That must be a good
sign that things will be ok."  Well, now that the baby (and our Dr. says
"I guarantee you it's a boy") moves I've noticed he moves A LOT.  Alex
was pretty lethargic, and shy -- he'd rarely move if there was a hand there
to feel him -- but this baby rolls, kicks, squirms, hiccups, etc. all day
and all night long.  Now, not happy with the increased movement, my hubby
worries that all the activity is a bad thing....he worries in particular
that the umbillical cord will wrap around the baby's neck because of all
the movement.

So, time to once again draw on the net-wisdom and ask about fetal movement.
Is there any such thing as too much movement?  Any info on complications
from a too active baby?  Any experiences to relate?  Thanks.  My hubby will
thank you too :-).

Anyone who want to offer him any advice or comments directly can mail to
walters@id.com.  .
--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: How to get your child take medicine?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.185700.25659@SSD.intel.com> wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
>My daughter (2 yrs old) just got her first "coughing kind" of cold from
>her daycare.  She is as active as ever despite the running nose and 
>coughing with the sound of something in her throat.  Her chest sounds fine
>and she does not have a fever.  The problem we have is to get her to take
>coughing sirup.  We already know that she does not like Dimetap, so don't
>even mention Triaminic or others.  Without a fever, there is not much the
>doctor can do either.  

My advice:

Your daughter does not need the cough syrup.  Cough syrup merely
relieves a symptom.  It does not make your child healthier.  This is
true of just about any over-the-counter medicine you can buy.  If it's
such a struggle, then forget it.

The only exception to this would be if she is not getting enough sleep,
due to the coughing. Giving the syrup to help her sleep at night may be
worth it, since sleep helps recovery.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Room Temp for Sleeping Infants
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:26:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.174742.4985@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> sueg@ssec.wisc.edu (Sue Gorski) writes:
>
>We have a programmable thermostat and in the past have set the night/sleep temp
>to be 55 degrees.  While I think this may be too low for an infant, 70 degrees
>seems a bit too high in the spirit of energy conservation.
>
>What is a good room temperature for a sleeping infant?  Any ideas on keeping a 
>baby warm in a cool house?  What do people do in areas where central heating 
>is not common?

Well, I live in Los Angeles, and until 3 weeks ago had central heating, so I
cant quite address your question, but it can get quite chilly here and I
never sleep with the heater on. My son's first winter was unseasonably cold.
I cant say how cold it got in the house, cause the thermostat doesnt go below
50F. There was still ice in the streets at noon. I used a onesie, cotton long
johns, and a blanket sleeper. He was just fine. Later I got a set back 
thermostat and set it to come on about an hour before we got up. That way we
wouldnt have to change wet diapers in a cold room.

I was born and lived in England until I was 4.5y.o. The only heating we had 
were little portiable heaters. My parents just bundled us up (in those days
they had soft, wool pj's for kids). A friend was giving me a hard time when
I was pregnant, cause I dont like the heater. She asked me if I was going to
freeze my baby. I told my mom this, and she laughed and said "why not, we used
to freeze you". Kids have been around long before central heating.

>
>We use a blanket sleeper, and lots of blankets.  She sleeps better in the crib
>then she does in our bed, and of course space heaters are not safe in this 
>circumstance.

Fisher Price makes a space heater especailly designed for kids.  

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:00:12 GMT

lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.221027.6406@funlwb.enet.dec.com> wales@ringss.enet.dec.com writes:
>>
>>	The fact that the majority is Muslim reinforces the issue as it is they
>>who usually perform this ghastly operation.

>That's simply not true.


A more accurate statement would have been "most of the groups that perform
this operation are Muslim". I say most only because I lack the references
to be able to back up a claim of *all*.

That is *not* the same thing as saying that it is a common Muslim practice.
It isn't.
-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
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