From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton meets with CLAO in NJ.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.165953.26736@panther.mot.com>, ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.132026.9197@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.202339.16313@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>>> 
>>> During the meeting, Governor Clinton criticized the foreign policy
>>> of the Bush administration towards Lebanon and stated that the
>>> acceptance of President Bush of Syria's total takeover of Lebanon
>>> makes a mockery of the long-standing American commitment toward 
>>> Lebanon's independence and sovereignty.
>>
>>
>>Still no mentioning of Israel's role in Lebanon. 
> 
> True but Israel is not attempting to "rule" of all of Lebanon.
	true because it wants to occupy and destroy not only rule.
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> 1. The restoration of Lebanon's full independence, sovereignty, unity,
>>>    freedom, democracy and territorial integrity within its internationally
>>>    recognized borders. This would entail the removal of all foreign forces
>>>    from Lebanese territory, commencing with the immediate and unconditional
>>>    withdrawal of Syrian occupation forces and surrogate organizations.
>>
>>Yeah, good move. Mention all foreign forces to be on the safe side but stress
>>only the Syrian existence. Syrians have never said that they were an occupation
>>force. They were aksed by all lebaneese first christians then Muslims to enter
>>Lebanon. Who asked the Isrealis to go in.
>>Why stressing that Syria should commence with the withdrawal ? Why not ask the
>>"hopeful" to put the pressure on his supporters from Israel so that they pull out
> 
> After the intial invasion Israel SIGNED a US sponsered agreement that they would
> pull out as the Syrinas pulled out.  Of course Syria has refused to leave.  I
> suspect that this agreement might still be in effect.
> 
	another lie; THe agreement was signed under the israeli guns 
UN resolution # 425 ask israel to leave the security zone which isreal never
did.  so there is no reason for us to believe that isreal will keep up 
with its promises.the agreement is not in effect since the lebanese president 
as well as the parliment at that time considered it cancelled.
>>of Lebanon "to preserve the unity and integrity" of Lebanon.
>>It seems to me that a man should have more influence on his friends than on his
>>enemies. Thus asking Clinton to put pressure on Syria is less productive than
>>asking him to put pressure on Israel.
>>
>>
>> 
>>> 2. A commitment to the basic principles of self determination by restoring 
>>>    the right right of the Lebanese people to hold free and fair elections 
>>>    under international supervision. The recent round of fraudulent elections
>>     -------------------------------
>>>    engineered by Syria with the tacit approval od President Bush were 
>>>    actively boycotted by 85% of the Lebanese electorate. The results of these
>>                           ---
>>>    elections have only reinforced Syrian domination of Lebanon and should
>>>    not be recognized or legitimized by any US administration.
>>> 
>>
>>Why international supervision ? DO all Lebaneese trust the "West dominated"
>>international body more than our own government ? There is a legitimate
>                                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>>government in Lebanon which held elections.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Well some may consider Assad rule in Syria legitimate, in Syria, not in Lebanon.
> However how many Lebanese boycotted the election because of Syrian control?
> 
in the south where isreal is still occuping parts of it, percentage of 
the voters in the liberated part was above 80% while lebanese 
within the neutral zone were not allowed to vote by the isrealis and the
traitors working with them. so some boycotted the elections because of 
isreal not just because of syria;  

anyway most of our current problems are due to the isreali occupation.
 when they tried to occupy lebanon in 1982 more than 60,000 were killed.
however, due to the resistance of the lebanese people they were humiliated 
and forced to withdraw from most of lebanon; they withdrew not because they
wanted to withdraw (they wanted the lebanese water since 1948 or even before 
isreal was founded they had an eye on the water of lebanon), they left because
of  their heavy casualities on daily basis.
another problem is the palestinian refugees who were forced to leave their 
homes because of isreali occupation of their land.actually the harm that isreal 
caused to the lebanese people can not be described in words but hopefully 
they will leave soon.
A. Fardoun  
>>rached
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>>
> Ron Feigen
> ronf@panther.mot.com
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