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From: adrianw@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Adrian Whichello)
Subject: Re: N-scale Trees
Organization: University of Western Sydney
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:02:51 GMT

SDupa@xview.csuohio.edu (Scott Hewis) writes:

>Anyone out there have suggestions for modeling trees in N-scale?
>Most everything I've seen seems to be out of scale when it comes to the 
>foliage on the trees.  I realize that maybe a little nit-picky, but I'm
>curious to know what other people are doing.

>Thanks in advance,

>Scott
>--------------------------------------
>* Scott Hewis; Telecom Specialist    *
>* Cleveland State University         *
>* email c/o scott@asgard.csuohio.edu *
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Dear Scott (your mail bounced, so I'm posting this instead)
	although I work in HO, the best method I know for making trees
should work in N as well. It is to use the multi-multi stranded wire
used for (real-sized, racing) yacht control wires, It should
be available from a ship's chandlery - it's stainless steel so you'll
need a hefty pair of cutters to cut it (or you could try using very 
flexible battery jumper leads - they should have many many strands as
well and would be copper). The SS is nice because it keeps its shape if
you accidentally knock the completed tree, unlike copper. The wire is
gradually teased out (ie the bunches of wire strands are untwisted)
into finer and finer branches, until only single strands are left. This
skeleton is clipped to the general shape of your tree and then
covered with Selley's brown "No more gaps"; a window sealant
that remains very flexible after drying - much better than just dipping 
in plaster or paint, because it doesn't crack off. The foliage is green
"scotchbrit" nylon scouring pads - the type used for washing up pots
and pans. It is cut up into little irregularly shaped pieces, teased
out and stuck on the fine branches. For trees off in the distance
this is all I do, although for ones that will be seen close up, they should
be airbrushed with appropriate colours.
	Admittedly, while all this makes a very good eucalyptus (gum) tree,
ideal for Australian model railways, it
may be of some help for other species as well. I saw this method
demonstrated by Ray Pilgrim at a Modelling convention some years ago,
but I think the general idea has been around for ages. Good luck...
						Adrian P. Whichello.
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From: greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
Reply-To: greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:39 GMT


In article <1992Jul22.124652.6048@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
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|>From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
|>Subject: Re: Edit Track II
|>Message-ID: <1992Jul22.124652.6048@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
|>Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
|>Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
|>References: <1992Jul7.165600.6669@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1992Jul08.011127.4843@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> <1992Jul21.215238.19407@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
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|>I know there is someone in Australia who wants it is there some node on the
|>internet we can put train programs on.  I have several I would be willing
|>to donate??  Also when I got the Compuserve list it did NOT have EDITTRAK
|>listed is that a new download??
|>
|>Thanks
|>Stewart De Journett
|>Texas Instruments
|>
|>
EDITTRAK was put on CompuServe back in Jan 92. The file (with doc's)
was ET2.ZIP. I'll check with the folks who have archives of
train related stuff on the Internet and see if I can find a place for it.

Michael
From: wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Command Control Revised Draft
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:14:32 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.17

In article <1992Jul21.221328.22507@mksol.dseg.ti.com> sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
>Bill etc
>
>   I downloaded the postscript version and every thing prints fine till
>page 4 when all the pages are backwards i.e. you have to hold the back 
>of the page up and read from the back.  Did I do something wrong??  At
>least it all prints on a postscript printer with reasonable memory.

I sure hope one of the net.postscript.gurus has an answer to this.
It printed ok for me.  I haven't a clue!  I can't even guess what
could have happened, short of the famous "looks like a hardware
problem to me" type of answer!

Any body else have a problem like this?

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From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: RE: Live Steam in New England
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:24:24 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Bob Backway writes:

>> FYI: the guages in question are
>> 3/4" scale  = 3 1/2" guage
>> 1" scale    = 4 3/4" guage
>                ^^^^^^
>> 1 1/2 scale = 7 1/4" guage
>
>     Interesting, in the UK and Australia 5" gauge is used. I must point out
>though that scale and gauge should not be related. I am currently working on
>the civil engineering for our 5" gauge track around our house but will run:
>
>     1" scale which at 5' full size falls nicely between our "standard"
> (4'8 1/2") and "broad" (5'3") gauges.
>     1 1/2" scale which at 3' 4" is close enough to the 3' 6" of Qeensland &
>South Australian railways.
>     2" scale which at 2' 6" is the exact gauge for my favourite, our
>Victorian Narrow gauge railways. Imagine crossing a 6' (30') high, 30' (180')
>long trestle, I can't wait.

You're right Bob, on both counts.

The problem with 4 3/4" vs. 5" is not "as crucial" as visiting engines from UK
or Australia (few and far between) as engines moving between New Jersey and
Maryland (NJLS has 7 1/4", Chesapeake & Allegheny Live Steamers has 7 1/2"!)

We do have one member who built a "Maine 2 footer" to run on 4 3/4" track, it
came to something like 2 1/2" scale.  It's pretty massive.

In other words, I generalized.
Thanx for the correction.

Mike
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From: massey@travis.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: What is Edit Track II?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:47:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <1992Jul25.115510@mycro.UUCP>, scott@mycro.UUCP (Scott C. Sadow) writes:
> What is "Edit-Track"?  (I presume it is a program to edit track layouts)
> What systems does it run on, what can it do, did Model Railroader review it?

Here is the introduction from the Edit Track DOC file that I got via FTP from
JDB.PSU.EDU (128.118.46.7). I cannot say how it works 'cause I have Macs & 
Vaxes.

Are there versions of this program or similar programs for the Macintosh?


EDIT TRACK
Version 2
26 MAY 1991
Envirocomp
RR1 Baysville
Ontario CANADA
P0B 1A0

EDIT TRACK (or ET) is a drafting aid designed to help you design model 
railroad track plans on an IBM PC (or equivalent). It is the result of my 
own frustrations with trying to accurately design complicated trackwork. 
i simply could not accurately draft the switches, so this program was born. 
ET displays the track plans on the screen as you construct them. ET also 
calculates and displays (or prints out) the track coordinates which can 
then be used for layout construction. Track plans and parts of track plans 
can be saved and retrieved from disks. They can also be graphically printed 
on IBM compatible graphics printers and HP Laserjets.

EDIT TRACK requires that you provide the actual dimensions of the switches, 
diamonds etc. that are to be used in your layout. Approximate dimensions for 
some code 70 and code 100 Shinohara HO switches are provided for practice 
designing layouts. I've also provided some dimension files for Marklin Z scale 
and LGB G scale switches. Designing trackwork with ET requires some attention 
to detail and occasionally some calculations; a calculator can be helpful. 
You might also find the "Layout Design Tips" section at the end useful. 

EDIT TRACK is COPYRIGHTED by Envirocomp. You cannot resell this program for 
profit and the source code to EDIT TRACK is not available. However you may 
use it as much as you like and freely distribute it. Please, only distribute 
a copy of the complete diskette with all subsidiary files and this 
documentation included.
From: bunce@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov (Tom Bunce)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: voc to mac sound was (Re: Newest RR Sound Posted)
Summary: use sound extractor 1.21
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:00:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lockheed Engineering (Houston, TX)

In article <1992Jul21.111453.19564@walter.cray.com> rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy
Lambertus) writes:
>
> How about putting the files in .snd or .au format also? Or
>can you recommend a convertor from voc (ibm) to .snd (macintosh)?
>
> I can convert sun (.au) to mac (.snd) so if anything, I'd guess
>the sun format would be the most popular. All the voc to sun
>conversion programs I've seen using archie, require an IBM type
>of PC. Maybe some kind soul could do this for us?
>
On Sumex-aim.stanford.edu there is a shareware program called Sound Extractor
1.21 that will let you drag and drop the sound data onto it's icon and will
create a file that can be double clicked which will play the sound.  The only
hard part was putting the 12 to 15 part files together to let my uu decoder do
its thing.

The sounds are really neat.  Thanks to Dan for the postings.  I'm looking
forward to downloading the sounds from an ftp server rather than pasting again.

tom

bunce@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
From: ds0000@cyprus (Dave Scanlon)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Need N Scale Locomotives with Arnold Receiver.
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:38:50 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames) writes:
: 
: If any one is going to Columbus that has N scale locomotives with the Arnold
: receiver installed and would like to have them star in a clinic
: please pring them and let me know.  We have HO, Z and G covered but are
: a little short on N.
: 
: Stan Ames
: 

So, I've been drooling over the Arnold/Marklin digitals.  I like to here more
on how well they work.  Any digital loco operators out there?  Let me know
how you think the digitals perform.

-thanx

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7000 Central Ave NE.
Minneapolis, MN 55432-3576
Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:12:58 -0400 
From: Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wuarchive GIFS

Excerpts from netnews.rec.models.railroad: 28-Jul-92 Wuarchive GIFS by
Diego@emory.edu 
>         Does anybody know where the JPG files in the /pictures/trains
>         directory of chi.wustl.edu were taken from?!

They were taken from a variety of sources from my personal collection.
  
>         I would like to find, if possible, the original scans in a
>         NON lossy compressed (i.e.: NON eg) format.  Also, of course,
>         I'm curious as to what other train/railroad picture sites might
>         exist on the internet.  I already know about JDB.PSU.EDU, and
>         as I've mentioned the new one at wuarchive.wustl.edu... but any
>         others anybody knows about would be much appreciated.

The only place you can get the original scans is from me. I'm using the
jpeg format because it makes them much quicker for me to upload at this
time. Also I wanted to give folks a good variety in a consistent format.
Make sure you use the -g switch to force greyscale. If you don't like
them at 640x480, use 1024x768 and get a magnifying glass. Just a small
joke.

Seriously, the folks at wuarchive asked me to keep this to a minimum so
thats the real reason. Plus the fact that there just don't seem to be
many sites supporting this facet of the hobby.
  
>         P.S.:  The scans at wuarchive are great b/c they are posted by
>         engine type for the most part, so it's easy to call up a file
>         by name if one is interested in a prototype which the file    
>         library might have.  On the other hand, the 640x480x256 grey 
>         scale scans are of uneven quality and too low resolution for 
>         serious research... with the lack of color or more scales of
>         grey being the most serious problem, IMHO.

If there is any particular scan that you are interested in which you
require for a specific purpose, I will be glad to go back into my
archives to rescan the image at a higher resolution. And there are still
more on the way. Watch rec.railroads for announcements. Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Subject: LGB Engine volts
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:22:22 GMT


Does anyone know the voltage reqiurements on an LGB 2090 diesel?  Can it
be powered with 9 volts?

Ricky
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From: wey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (william.e.yoder)
Subject: Re: Garden Railroad
Summary: track laying
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.174220.23716@clipper.ingr.com>, cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell) writes:
> My first post seems to have gone awry so I'll try again.
> 
> I'm building a G scale railroad in my backyard.  I'm hand laying code 332 
> aluminum rail on redwood ties.  The spikes are 1/2" long so they penetrate      through the ties.  A portion of the ROW is along the tops of full size railroad
> ties that I used as garden boarder.  Along this portion I used 1x1 redwood
> running the length of the ROW spaced 1" apart.  The ties are then glued to the
> 1x1's.
> 
> My question is this.  When running the ROW on the ground, should I continue to
> use the 1x1's as a sub-base for the ties or should I just let the ties rest on
> the balast?
> 
> The articles I've read on laying track have all used LGB ready made track.  I   haven't found any articles on people hand laying their track.
> 

I have done what you are doing, only I used 6 foot sections of Garich 
code 250 brass track. I laid the track on pressure treated 2 x 6's on top
of 4 x 4 posts and then burying it all in dirt. It gives good support for
the track. I made the mistake of screwing the track down too tight and 
several of the rails popped loose from the plastic tie strips due to the 
sun heating the rail and expanding.

I have also seen track laid directly on the ballast and then mortor 
and water sprinkled in the track to hold it in place.
You have a wealth of people in the Bay Area that belong to the Bay Area
Garden Railroad Society. I don't have their address handy, but look in
Garden Railways Magazine for their club contact and address. I am aware
of them because I am the editor of the Florida Garden Railway Society
newsletter and we swap newsletters with other clubs all over the country.
If you haven't checked them out, do so.  They seem to have a very active 
club and are also hosting next year's national garden railway convention.


Bill Yoder
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
Reply-To: greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:52:38 GMT


I have a copy of EDITTRAK V2 -- are folks still having trouble
getting it? I just got if off CompuServe TRAINNET last night...

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: lets talk about model trains again . . . .
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: ATHERN
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:59:09



i *hate* to interrupt the talk about forming a new news group, but . . . 


i have been looking around for a shop that stocks an athern DD40 (pref UP or
demonstrator). walthers lists the undecorated shells and frames, but not the
diesel itself. when asked, athern sez: up, we consider it current, and will
make more, but we dont knoe when . . . . 


does anyone know of a reputable shop with one, who would be willing to do
mailorder for me? does anyone know the part numbers for them, which would
make my life *much* easier?

on a side note, i notice overland has a brass DD35. do they make both A and
B units? how many motors are in each unit? any idea what they *cost*?

much thanx.

stev knowles
stev@ftp.com


Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: RR sounds
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:41:51 GMT

In article <DrPATNAIK.92Jul23145152@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil> patnaik@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (Gopal Patnaik) writes:
>I have been listening to the sounds posted in alt.binaries.sounds.misc with
>interest. Does anyone know where I can purchase a cassete or CD of RR
>sounds? I could not find anything in the Model Railroader magazine.  I am
>interested in both steam and diesel sounds.  I'd rather not have to purchase
>a video tape just for the sounds.
>
>Gopal Patnaik, patnaik@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil

There are several sources of RR sounds that I have found over the years

Bainbridge Records has 4 CD's of steam sounds from the Mobile Fidelity folks
they have an 800 number.

A company in Calif I forget there new name has cass & CD's there stuff is
available through Walter's

Green Frog productions see MR has plenty of cassetts

and Keith Reiger in Coloradio has lots of cassettes look for his ad in 
Railfan classified

I will get specific address for you if ypu desire

Stewart De Journett
Texas Instruments

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: SDupa@xview.csuohio.edu (Scott Hewis)
Subject: N-scale Trees
Organization: Cleveland State University - Telecomm 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:49:03 GMT

Anyone out there have suggestions for modeling trees in N-scale?
Most everything I've seen seems to be out of scale when it comes to the 
foliage on the trees.  I realize that maybe a little nit-picky, but I'm
curious to know what other people are doing.

Thanks in advance,

Scott
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* Cleveland State University         *
* email c/o scott@asgard.csuohio.edu *
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From: JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Edit Track II available via FTP
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:02:28 GMT
 <1992Jul08.011127.4843@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz>
 <1992Jul21.215238.19407@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
 <1992Jul22.124652.6048@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Organization: Penn State University

>In article <1992Jul21.215238.19407@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
>greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com
>(Michael Greene) writes:
>>
>>I have a copy of EDITTRAK V2 -- are folks still having trouble
>>getting it? I just got if off CompuServe TRAINNET last night...
>>
>>Michael

Thanks to Michael, there is now a copy of ET2.ZIP on JDB.PSU.EDU
available for FTP using "trains" as an account and "k4s" as a password.
The default directory is C:\PUB\GRAPHICS\TRAINS, so you should be able
to just FTP and get it. Don't forget to use binary (or image) mode.
I was able to UNZIP it with V1.10 of PKZIP. If anyone needs a copy
of that, let me know and I'll put that (self-extracting archive) up also.

I'll try to leave the server up all day today, but then again, it will
definatly be up from 5:30PM - 8:30AM Eastern time...

Enjoy!

John Balogh, Penn State Model Railroad Club, Electrical Crew, JDB@ECL.PSU.EDU
From: wildstar@moeng2.minc.umd.edu (Derek Wildstar)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Small layout ideas
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:25:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Morgan State U. / Sch. of Engineering, Baltimore, MD

demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
> ... Another book to add into that is "Track Planning for
>Realistic Operation".  It is invaluable for designing track plans that will
>run well ... without it, you'll most likely build in something that will
>cause nothing but frustration when you actually try to run trains.  Plus,
>it gives great ideas for things to put in your railroad to make it more fun.

I'll second that.  No matter what scale you model in, if you are
planning a layout, get "Track Planning for Realistic Operation" (It's by
Armstrong, published by Kalmbach).

>
>On another topic, if you're looking at building a 2x4 or thereabouts N layout, 
>I strongly suggest looking into building it to Ntrak standards.  This way, not 
>only can it be used as your home layout, but you can also take it to Ntrak
>shows (there may even be an Ntrak club in your area ... if there is, check with
>them, as some clubs require some of the Ntrak-optional trackage) and join in 
>with them on their larger show-layout.  I personally went this route, and am
>presently working on a 2.5'x8' diesel engine facility that will be both my
>home layout and an Ntrak module.
>
Where can I find information about Ntrak (like standards and a list of
Ntrak groups)?  Is there a snail-mail address that I can write to?

-- 

wildstar@moeng2.minc.umd.edu
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From: wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Command Control Revised Draft
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:38:14 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.17

In article <1992Jul21.161311.6239@linus.mitre.org> sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames) writes:
>Thanks to Herb Poppe the revised version of the command control standard
>is down to about 115K.  I will send out this smaller version together with
>an ANSCII version this afternoon.

>The revisions in this version are minor.

>The only technical question open at this time is the proper method
>for changing the signal so that it has less interference to the AM
>band.  There are several solutions, none has been adopted until more
>experimentation is done.

>I will be leaving this afternoon until after Columbus.


These files are available for anonymous ftp on
	"srv1d.bev.lbl.gov" (131.243.192.55)
as  "/pub/nmra/CCR_draft_0.6R" (PostScript version)
			    and
    "/pub/nmra/CCR_draft_0.6R.ascii" (ASCII version).

Please observe the disclaimers in the "README" file.



Disclaimer:  These opinions are my own and have	    |
    nothing to do with the official policy or the   |  -bill
    management of L.B.L, who probably couldn't      |   wlbrown@lbl.gov
    care less about employees who play with trains. |
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