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From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: One more German estimate about Serbs killed by Croats
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:17:47 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Gleise von Horstenau about Croatia, on 24.02.1942!
(Taken from original in V. Dedijer "Vatika i Jasenovac")


Volkstumsreferat


Lieber Helmut,

	Wir sprachen in Wien von der Zahl der Serbe, die im
Laufe des Aufstandes in Serbien umgebracht worden war.  Ich 
habe dort die Zahl von 2-300.000 erwahnt.  Ich hatte gester(n - unclear 
							   in original )
Gelegenheit, mit dem Deutchen General in Agram ueber dieselbe(s -unclear
							     in original)
Frage zu sprechen. Der Deutche General gab mir folgende Aus-
kunft:
	Die Die Shaetzungen ueber die Zahl der umgebrachten Serben
in Kroatien gehen von 2 bis 700,000.  Er, der General, moechte
am ehesten die Zahl von 300,000 als richtig ansehen.
	Kroatische Regierungsmitglieder haben dem General mitge-
teilt, dass im Laufe des Austandes und der mit diesem verbunde
nen Kaempfe und Verfolgungen 250,000 Kroaten and 200.000 Serben
ums Leben gekommen waeren. Der general haelt die Zahl der Kroate 
		   ------
		unclear in original!
fuer viel zu hoch, waehrend er anderseits die Zahl der Serben
fuer viel zu gering healt......

...
	Herzlichste Gruesse und

				Heil Hitler!

					Dein,
					
					Signature

..................................................

Milan N. Stojanovic
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From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:11:24 GMT
 <Dec.24.00.06.31.1992.12800@andromeda.rutgers.edu> <1992Dec24.110302.18821@husc3.harvard.edu>
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

At first, I have missed the followup:

In article <1992Dec24.110302.18821@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>In article <Dec.24.00.06.31.1992.12800@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>>stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>>
>>First, let me thank you for a compliment.
>>
>>Second, Milan, do not support my arguments with anything that proves
>>that one nation (religious group) or the other committed these or other
>>atrocities.
>>
>
>First, you are welcome.
>
>Second, Ana, I am not supporting your argument, I am ruining his.
>There is profound difference in this.
>
>Third, I understand that he is incapable of understanding this, thus 
>my posting might be used against you, so I apologise in advance for that.
>
>>
>>
>>This what I have said holds for everybody, Serb, Croat, Muslim, Albanian
>>even Slovenian and Macedonian. The war can be stopped with our legendary
>>"passive resistance" to the authorities (who lead these people into the
>>fighting). And we once were champions of passive resistance to the
>>authorities, remember those times, eh?
>
>They have all died in Jasenovac or in some gorges in NDH.
>
>
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Ana M. Shane                               pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Regards, 
>
>Milan N. Stojanovic
>
>
>P.S. Let me wish everyone best time for holidays.
>
>

And we could expect now Mr. Wickerhauser's answer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
From: johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males)
Subject: Re: TALK
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:17:24 GMT

In <LPkRwB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> dani@infopls.chi.il.us (Danijela Mlinaric) writes:

>To whom it may concer:
>                I would like to express my displeasure on the topics in 
>this forum.  We are Croations and we should be talking about our culture, 
>not who's grandfather killed who.  WE ARE the future.  Forget the past 
>but look to the future.  I love reading some of the things people write 
>on here, then I also get angry because people do not speak the truth.  I 
>hope that one day we could speak of peace not war.  I wish everyone Peace 
>in the new year. 

>Sincerly,
>Danijela Mlinaric

Hear, Hear.
I agree totally. Let us not let this newsgroup degenerate into something
useless. Croatia could have such a bright future, but it is Croatians in Croatia
and abroad that need to stick together, especially the youth. I think we
can do it. What do others think?
 
John Males
From: cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic)
Subject: Re: Credibility of Helsinki Watch, Amnesty International - II
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 01:01:50 GMT

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

>Did anyone else find Mr. Stojanovic's response to be less than logical
>or coherent?

>/Joe Blazic

Joe, I am apsolutelly amazed with your patience, at least.  However, you
shouldn't question logic and coherence.  They aren't an issue in discussion
with fascist.  Anyway, by handling the shit you will stink long after.

Muris
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From: faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne)
Subject: Re: WWII, again (was Re: Dr. Mishitch, the Bishop of Mostar)
Reply-To: faruk@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 18:37:43 GMT


In article <Dec.25.00.17.03.1992.12067@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
|> arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic) writes:
|> 
|> >blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:
|> 
|> And if your answer is that Serbian rulers were dominant, so the politicians 
|> and rulers of other nationalities couldn't exercise their own domination,
|> please document this claim.

Other peoples were not allowed to have their "rulers". Those rulers had
to be serbian slaves. If they didn't they were either replaced (Savka
Dapcevic, Osman Karabegovic, Avdo Humo, etc.) or imprisoned (Azem Vlasi
etc.) or killed (Dzemal Bijedic etc.).
This was pre-war situation in ex-Yu: serbs (11% of Croation population)
had 70% of Croatian police. Out of 40 ex-Yu generals, 32 were serbs.
Although they comprise 44% of population the Bosnian Muslims were forbiden
to have any non-religious newspaper either dayly or weekly. (The only
one for Kosovo Albanians was crushed - Rilindija.) Serbs were permanently
making "political" court processes to eminent Muslims (e.g. FiKret Abdic).

Faruk.
"Good fence makes good neighbors."
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Proverb
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:15:11 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu


I heard this old proverb tonight:

	Dva Slovenca: pjesma,		Two Slovenes: a song,
	Dva Hrvata: debata,		Two Croats: a debate,
	Dva Srba: borba.		Two Serbs: a fight.

Regards,
Victor
-- 
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                      <victor@kirk.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:48:17 GMT

In article <R474VB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us>, damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:
> 
>    There are three major languages in the former Yugo.
> 
>   1 is Albanian, another is Serbian, and the other which Croatians speak 
> is   CROATIAN.  End of discussion.

Hk, hm. And which one should I choose as my language? Or mine was not
"major" or was not in former yugo?-//

Andrej

PS: Though this can be seen as a joke, I have to admit that it hurts ...
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Re: Hikmet-i Quran (in Turkish)
Keywords: reaping what ones sows
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:40:00 GMT


  What is this article (in Turkish) doing in soc.culture.greek as well in a 
number of soc.culture.**** newsgroups? Is Turkish a kind of "international
language" that we all have to know? If not, then please, in the future post
articles that are in Turkish, ONLY to soc.culture.turkish. If you think that
the article is relevant to all of the above newsgroups then post it in English.

                                                    Thanks,
                                                      Xapa.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 14:02:13 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Situation in Sandzak?

In article <DaN2VB5w165w@infopls.chi.il.us>, damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir
Matanic) says:
>
>  Does anyone know what the situation is like in Sandzak?
>I believe that it is essential that Sandzak be liberated.  It has never
>been part of Serbo-Gora, and once it is liberated, Srbija and Crna Gora
>will cease to be one continuous unit.  With the liberation of Sandzak, we
>will have to land bridge connecting Bosna with Kosovo, i.e. Albania.
>
>
>Damir

You are very correct Damir, then after we connect Sandzak to BiH and cut off
the Crrnogorci, then they'll get out of Cro and BiH. Because, they'll
be isolated from Chetnikland.

-Cro

P.S. anyone know what the Sandzaci are using as their flag?

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From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:44:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

U52148@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>In article <BzMKCI.CI7@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
>(Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) says:
>>
>>In article <R474VB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us>, damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir
>>Matanic) writes:
>>>
>>>    There are three major languages in the former Yugo.
>>>
>>>   1 is Albanian, another is Serbian, and the other which Croatians speak
>>> is   CROATIAN.  End of discussion.
>>
>>Hk, hm. And which one should I choose as my language? Or mine was not
>>"major" or was not in former yugo?-//
>>
>>Andrej
>>
>I apologize for Damir...
>He forgot the Slovenci as well as Braco Makedonci... The point that Damir was
>trying to make is, that there is no such thing as the "Offensive" language.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The said language offends all of us, except Yugos like Ana. I am proud of the
>Croatian language, Croatian literature, which both were around long before
>the "Offensive language" came around to subjugate the Croats.

You are right. There is no such thing as the "offensive" language.

A language cannot be offensive, maybe the people who speak it, but a language
is just air.

I am also proud of Serbo-Croatian language, since it is one of the richest
languages in the world combining all of what is good in Serbian and Croatian,
including a lot of German, Turkish, Italian, Hungarian and English
words.

It gives me more versatility and more skill, and above all I can understand so
many more people, laugh with them and cry with them.

What is even more important, I also know Croatian and Serbian so anyone
who wants to be my enemy, should know that I understand them well.

(I understand even Slovenian and Macedonian, although I cannot speak
them, but I am sorry that I didn't have a chance to learn Hungarian and
Albanian)

[signiture deleted as offensive]

  With hopes for peace

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Ana M. Shane                              voice: (215)-843-2909
334 Winona St.
Philadelphia, PA 19144      e-mail: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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From: pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Net etiquette
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:13:48 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <BzMrLH.IF@ecf.toronto.edu> blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:
>In article <1h373dINN6ov@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Regarding your last posting, first a comment: private matters do not belong
>in the public forum, at least that is the accepted "civilized world" way
>of relating with people.
>
>Second, that was very poor of you.  Do you walk into hospitals and mock
>people, who for example, might have been born with MS, or whatever?  Just
>what do you try to prove?  Mocking is the mark of a coward, Milan.  Grow
>up.
>
>Sincerely and apologies to everyone else for getting into all this stuff,
>
>Joe Blazic

  Excuse me, but has anyone counted the number of insults that Dr. Wickerhauser
has spewed on the networks against the Serbs in the past few years?  And now
you're telling me about netiquette?

  Nevertheless, let me add that I will not bring the juicy details from 
Dr. Wickerhauser's personal life into my posts any more, even though he 
deserves plenty of mockery for the racist Ustashi ideas of his.  There is much
more I could add, like stuff about Olga, Walter Johnson High School, and many,
many other fun things.  But a promise is a promise, so I'll just zip it here.

  Let me also say that I've read Doc's doctoral dissertation and was quite
impressed with it - God knows I barely understood what the hell he was talking
about.  Anyway, I hope he'll stick more to his math research in the future and
less on this net posting racist articles.

Regards,
Milan Pavlovic
===============================================================================
		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S
===============================================================================
From: totic@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Aleksandar Totic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:14:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:
>I apologize for Damir...
>He forgot the Slovenci as well as Braco Makedonci... The point that Damir was
>trying to make is, that there is no such thing as the "Offensive" language.
>The said language offends all of us, except Yugos like Ana. I am proud of the
>Croatian language, Croatian literature, which both were around long before
>the "Offensive language" came around to subjugate the Croats.

>===============================================================================
>                              __
>        )|(     ----      |__|__
>        ---     ----       __|  |
>        )|(
>                 Srbi su Nacisti  (Serbs are Nazis)
>-Cro
>===============================================================================
Interesting. You find mere mention of Serbo-Croatian offensive. I might be able
to understand that. But how do you expect someone to take your complaint about
offensiveness seriously, if you display a signature that is sure to offend 
many, even those unfamiliar with Serbs?

Aleks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic)
Subject: Re: WWII, again (was Re: Dr. Mishitch, the Bishop of Mostar)
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:59:11 GMT

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

>>Local Serbs have right for self-determination, as Croats and Muslims
>>does.  That is all what I defend.  If Muslims do not want to live
>>in Yugoslavia, Serbs are not going to live in Muslim state. Same
>>with Croats. Period.

>How about a multi-ethnic state where their rights were secured by
>virture of their large minority, and moderate government?  No good
>either.

To Milan. Why then stop in Croatia and B-H only? Why not give
the right to self-determination in Serbia? If serbs do not want to
live with B-H Mulsims and Croats and Croats in Croatia, why should
Muslims and Croats in Serbia want to live with serbs? Therefore,
Sandzak and Vojvodina should be taken out of Serbia.

Alternatively, let's leave the borders as they were in 1990
and make sure that minorities anywhere have the same rights
as the main ethnic group. No more rights, no less rights

The point is there will be always a minority somewhere on the
other side of the border. The thing is to have law and order
to make minorities feels safe and gradually work to the system
of prevailing rights of an individual and the ethnic group.

Senad H. Arnautovic
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:35:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

>In article <R474VB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:
>>   There are three major languages in the former Yugo.
>>
>>  1 is Albanian, another is Serbian, and the other which Croatians speak 
>>is   CROATIAN.  End of discussion.

>You forgot at least one more: Slovenian.

>/Joe

And please add to that Macedonian.

And of course there are more languages which are "minor" (as in "minority"):
Hungarian, Italian, German, Check and Slovakian, Bulgarian, Greek, Turkish,
Romanian... Any others?

  With hopes for peace

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Ana M. Shane                              voice: (215)-843-2909
334 Winona St.
Philadelphia, PA 19144      e-mail: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Date: 25 Dec 92 23:58:52 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Damir Matanic (damir@infopls.chi.il.us) writes:
>   There are three major languages in the former Yugo.

Make that four. Slovenian, Albanian and Macedonian, and yes, you
can guess the fourth.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.rights.human
From: blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R)
Subject: Re: Credibility of Helsinki Watch, Amnesty International - II
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:39:00 GMT

Did anyone else find Mr. Stojanovic's response to be less than logical
or coherent?

/Joe Blazic
From: dani@infopls.chi.il.us (Danijela Mlinaric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: TALK
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 13:16:08 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

To whom it may concer:
                I would like to express my displeasure on the topics in 
this forum.  We are Croations and we should be talking about our culture, 
not who's grandfather killed who.  WE ARE the future.  Forget the past 
but look to the future.  I love reading some of the things people write 
on here, then I also get angry because people do not speak the truth.  I 
hope that one day we could speak of peace not war.  I wish everyone Peace 
in the new year. 

Sincerly,
Danijela Mlinaric

--
dani@infopls.chi.il.us (Danijela Mlinaric)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
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From: josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Josip Loncaric, the communist.
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:38:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1h36g6INN6js@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.063753.25234@eng.umd.edu> josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Dec18.172655.18681@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>
>>>1948 census is useless for demographic studies, due to the criminal
>>>methods used by communist government, what is in the "Introduction
>>>to Census" called "new methodology, specific for our society."  
>>
>>?????  Precisely what is wrong with methodology of simply counting people?
>>You are trying to make the facts fit your pet theory.  Logic dictates that
>>you should work the other way around.  But, whenever you do not like the
>>message, you shoot the messenger.  
>
>  I'll tell you what's wrong, Mr. Loncaric.  The communists are well know for
>holding false elections, false counts, false censuses, etc.  They used false
>figures and statistics whenever they found it fit for their purpose.  In 1948,
>for instance, they artificially inflated the number of Serbs counted in the
>census, so as to cover up the Ustashi genocide of WWII.  That's what's wrong
>with communist figures from 1948.
>
>
>Milan Pavlovic


Oh.  I see.  Well, I guess I stand corrected.  I won't argue you on this 
point any more, you get the last word.  

To all people of good will, Merry Christmas!

--Josip
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From: blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R)
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:26:47 GMT

In article <R474VB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:
>   There are three major languages in the former Yugo.
>
>  1 is Albanian, another is Serbian, and the other which Croatians speak 
>is   CROATIAN.  End of discussion.

You forgot at least one more: Slovenian.

/Joe
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From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: WWII, again (was Re: Dr. Mishitch, the Bishop of Mostar)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:29:35 GMT

In article <Dec.25.00.17.03.1992.12067@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>
>Isn't it the other way around? Who started seceding from Yugoslavia?
>It seems to me that the politicians and rulers of Slovenia then
>Croatia, and then Bosnia were the ones who separated from Yu.

There is one more parallel -- why should married couple stay together
if they don't want?

>Alternatively, why have borders at all? In a just country
>there could be enough room for anyone, and the local warmongers
>from all the sides would lose their current jobs and be fired.
>That would be much less expensive (in money and more important
>in lives), much more practical, much more economically sound,
>and much healthier.

This paragraph, though correct in conclusions but based on, hm, "hard
to achieve" justness, is very much similar to one which tries to keep
married couple together although they don't want this.

Regards,

Andrej

PS: IMO Ana has a very valid points, which work in "heaven", but not
in real Balkans. Unfortunately.
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