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From: phillies@wpi.WPI.EDU (George D. Phillies)
Newsgroups: sci.edu
Subject: summer research
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:00:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In <1992Sep25.083235.9284@athena.mit.edu>
solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes

>How will people in Year round schooling acquire research experience. If you
>can't take off the summer and go to another part of the country to do research,
>how can superior students learn anything if the schools don't give them anything
>back, but require year-round attendance. Is the year set up so that you can just
>take off during the summer without having any problems when you get back?

>Jason W. Solinsky

Well, if you are at a reasonably good school, you have faculty who conduct 
their own research, in whose laboratories you can work, so travelling to do 
research elsewise is pointless.  Indeed, if you have a senior thesis/project 
requirement, travelling elsewhere is probably a mistake, because it gives you 
two short projects, instead of one integrated large project.  Certainly, at my 
own institution (WPI) in my own department (Physics) a reasonable number of our 
own students (excellent, good, and not-so-good) are able to do this.  A 
substantial number of schools do have NSF REU support, which provides stipends 
so that students from other institutions can visit for the summer, do research, 
and receive a stipend.  

If an academic institution went to a full-year schedule, it would presumably be
possible to for students to take off semesters, just as students at many 
liberal arts schools take semester vacations (ummh, semester study programs) in 
Europe.  In the real world, all year engineering/science study at the college 
level is impossible, at least for students from the social class backgrounds 
that figure so heavily in engineering school enrollments, because no summer off 
=> no summer job => no ability to pay tuition in the fall.

A more serious question is whether it is better to do research as an 
undergraduate, or whether it is better to pack in a few more courses, to give a 
more solid footing when research is begun.  

Note that much of the discussion on year around schooling is pointing towards 
high school and down.  Also, note that there are two distinct sorts of year 
around schooling in question:  Many short vacations, but as much schooling as 
before (e.g. 30 days of school, 10 days of vacation), and school that runs all
year, on the Korean/Japanese model of 240-250 classroom days in the year, and
2-4 weeks of total vacation time.  (In understanding the Japanese model, 
remember that the Japanese apparently have six days of school per week, but 
apparently have far more general holidays than the US does.  For example, in 
Japan Autumn Equinox Day is a general holiday, even the stock market being 
closed.)

George Phillies
phillies@wpi.wpi.edu
Xref: sparky sci.edu:1055 misc.education:3511 misc.kids:24935
From: pjl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul J Landsberg)
Subject: Re: Year-round schooling
Reply-To: pjl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul J Landsberg)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:08:56 GMT

Amy Moseley Rupp writes:
>What I'd like to know is:
>
>what do parents do for daycare during those days when their children
>are not in school?  there are lots of programs for the summer, but a
>daycare probably wouldn't want to handle a kid for just a couple of
>weeks at a stretch.

GM probably used the same reasoning above when they decided to 
dwaddle in getting into building small cars.  Maybe something like
"gee, what will large families do when they all want to go somewhere."
Daycare is profitable!!  Where there is money to be made, businesses 
will spring up to make the money.  Now, if you were to say, the 
current crop of daycare centers would have to change............that
I would agree with.  But so they have to change?  Big deal!	

>what would the teachers with small children do for daycare?  They'd
>be in the same situation, except maybe needing INFANT care for just
>a couple of weeks at a stretch.
>
>it seems like these arrangements would be tricky...

Huh?  I've never thought that female teachers time their pregnancies 
with summer vacations.

Actually this goes to point made by someone about how they lived
in the tail of the gaussian, four years of divorce court battles,
a long and arduous settlement, etc.  What we are talking about is
the public education system.  Can anyone honestly want to impede
ideas, projects or whatnot simply because people out past 2sigma
won't be fully accomodated?  IMO, make changes to the system that
will benefit the greatest number of people and THEN, and only then,
work out the knotty details of unusual situations.

Paul Landsberg
From: roussea@server.uwindsor.ca (ROUSSEAU PAUL            )
Newsgroups: sci.edu
Subject: Iris On-Line-Network
Date: 28 Sep 1992 00:53:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I want to know how I can get logged on to the IRIS network.  I posted
this request last week and got one response to which I followed up.

Unfortunately, my first posting vanished in two days!!(at least on my 
server.

Any help would be appreciated. Send info by e mail.

    

-- 
Paul Rousseau			roussea@uwindsor.ca
(519) 735-7959			"It's too bad ignorance is not painful"
						-anonymous

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From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Re: Year-round schooling
Keywords: year,round,school,schooling
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:31:16 GMT

I think it needs pointing out that moving to a year-around schooling does not
in any way necessitate ANY sort of increase in the actual number of days or
hours attended. Yes, some people probably would like to do this. While I think
that moving to a year-around schooling (which, btw, is still cyclical, and
actually provides more periods of relaxation, i.e., 6 2-weeks periods rather
than 1 12-week period,) I certainly would voice extreme reservations, if not
outright outcry, to actually adding to the amount of time children are forced
to "sit down, sit straight, ears open, mouth closed!".

	Geoff Tuffli


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From: davem@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis)
Subject: Re: Year-round schooling
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:13:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Oct2.140856.2895@news.columbia.edu> pjl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul J Landsberg) writes:
>
>Huh?  I've never thought that female teachers time their pregnancies 
>with summer vacations.
>

Huh!?!?! I've ALWAYS thought that female teachers timed their pregnancies
with summer vacations! At least all the ones I've known have ...

  -- davem@cs.umr.edu

-- 
 There are people who have money and people who are rich.    
                                                            
                                   -- Coco Chanel          
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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: sci.edu,sci.physics,alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: Fate of the Energetic Teacher
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:20:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun13.10968
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Followup-To: sci.edu
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1agobhINNik6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben) writes:
>
>                             ......                   Still many 
>of the students taking these labs seek me out. But now it is to 
>find out why the class has changed and why I am not teaching the 
>course anymore. Most of them express the loss this represents. 
>Some have asked what if anything can be done to return the labs 
>to their former higher and friendlier level.

Certainly.  You should tell them to whom they should complain and how 
to do so effectively.  They should complain, in a typewritten letter, 
to the chairman of the department offering the course with cc: to 
their own department chair (if different), the Dean(s) of the college(s) 
involved, and the Provost.  The letter should be no more than one page 
and should clearly show the cc recipients at the bottom.  A cover letter 
to the persons getting the cc (one paragraph) might also be helpful, but 
they could also hand deliver the cc to their own department chair and 
make the complaint in person. 

The effectiveness of the complaint will be enhanced if they are clear 
about how specific changes affect their career preparations in a 
negative way.  It should not have anything to do with grades, only 
objective measures of what is (not) being taught.  

( It could be the case, of course, that the department needed you in 
( the more difficult pre-med course, but why the chair did not tell you 
( what is going on ... well, not all department heads are good managers. 

( As to the cancellation last summer, if FSU had not done so well on the 
( football field last year, there would have been *no* summer classes here. 
( This past year has not been a good one at most universities.

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: ce062@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel B Stuckey)
Newsgroups: sci.edu
Subject: Test Generating Software
Date: 30 Sep 1992 11:17:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce062@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel B Stuckey)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


    Does anybody know of any shareware for the Mac
for generating tests from text. Sometimes we generate
over 100 exams and must mixup the questions, in order
to keep everybody honest.
-- 
Joel B Stuckey     STUCKE98@SNYBUFVA.CS.SNYBUF.EDU
                   CIS 73177,3460
                   Buffalo State College, Buffalo NY
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From: led11@ccc.amdahl.com (Lynn Robinson)
Newsgroups: sci.edu,misc.education,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Year-round schooling
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:58:54 GMT
Reply-To: led11@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Lynn Robinson)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  One problem with the year-round school where I volunteer is that
the same students end up in the same class together year after year,
in order to avoid synchronization problems.  (Since there are four
different tracks with staggered vacation times.) When I was in school, I
remember that each year the students were randomly (for the most part)
assigned to different classes.   When the same students are together,
they make fewer friends and become more cemented in their roles.  It
is especially bad for the "at risk" kids with low motivation or disruptive
behavior patterns who feed off each other and build up very set routines.
A class that has developed a culture of being very disruptive gets
a very bad reputation among the teachers and usually the class seems to 
only get worse year after year.

  I seem to recall that as a student I looked forward to having a kind 
of "fresh start" every year in that I would be with a (somewhat) different
set of people.   It gave me some hope that perhaps I wouldn't have the
exactly same label/role (e.g. brain or nerd) or have to put up with exactly 
the same class bullies from one year to the next.

  Another result I've noticed with keeping classes together is that
entire classes seem to have obvious higher or lower relative achievement 
levels.  I assume this is due to which previous teachers they've had 
and because of a class's culture that has become ingrained over the years.
From: jdugger@bagpipe.reed.edu (Jay Dugger)
Newsgroups: sci.edu
Subject: Re:  Year-round schooling
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:33:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


I went to a year-round school from grade 1 to grade 6.  I enjoyed it more  
than I did the traditional system.  The school was Becky-David Elementary,  
Francis Howell School District, St.Charles, MO.
Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch)
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases
Organization: DPMMS University of Cambridge
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:44:58 GMT

Memento is imperative, mori is the verb-noun infinitive.
The phrase means "remember death": i.e. that you are mortal,
and _not_ "remember to die" (I knew there was something I
meant to do today...)

Richard Pinch
Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:27:47 GMT

rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch) writes:

>Memento is imperative, mori is the verb-noun infinitive.
>The phrase means "remember death": i.e. that you are mortal,
>and _not_ "remember to die" (I knew there was something I
>meant to do today...)

Actually, mori is the infinitive form of morior, the deponent meaning "die".
So, it means "remember to die". The principal parts are morior, mori, 
mortuus sum. 

"Remember death", I believe, would be "memento mortem."
>Richard Pinch
-- 
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From: JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett)
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases ('Memento mori')
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:16:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.162747.20454@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
 
>rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch) writes:
>
>>Memento is imperative, mori is the verb-noun infinitive.
>>The phrase means "remember death": i.e. that you are mortal,
>>and _not_ "remember to die" (I knew there was something I
>>meant to do today...)
>
>Actually, mori is the infinitive form of morior, the deponent meaning "die".
>So, it means "remember to die". The principal parts are morior, mori,
>mortuus sum.
>
>"Remember death", I believe, would be "memento mortem."
>>Richard Pinch
>--
>Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
 
Yes, but 'remember to die', as already said, sounds a bit silly.
How about 'mori' as an indirect statement, so that we have:
 
"Remember that you die"
 
which seems to fulfill the general idea in good grammatical sense.
 
Joseph L. Lockett
Hamman Hall Administrative Assistant
Rice University, Houston, Texas, USA
 
Rice doesn't speak for me, nor I for Rice.  At least, not here....
From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases ('Memento mori')
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:47:22 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department


    Alas, I forgot that _morior_ is 3rd rather than 4th conjugation, and
that led to the confusion which led to the post.  As a further question,
though, "remember death" would be "memento mortis," wouldn't it?  Verbs
of remembering and forgetting usually take a genitive.  (I think.)  Also,
"memento mori" could be translated "remember that (you) are dying," which
is more morbid (pardon...) than the translation "remember that you will die."

    By the way, the explanation on Illegitimi was good and is appreciated.


John R.						Nec vitia nostra nec
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu		remedia pati possumus.
							-- Livy
Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:07:07 GMT

rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert) writes:


>    Greetings.  Two Latin expressions have given me trouble, and maybe
>someone can explain things to me.  They are "Illegitimi non carborundum"

I've seen this on coffee mugs and post-it notes.  It's their version of:
"Don't let the bastards get you down."

I can't tell you if it's proverbial or invented by some Hallmark dude who
took a couple years of Latin.

Sharon 
oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: dhosek@linus.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:30:44 PDT

In article <1992Oct2.043851.2270@news.vanderbilt.edu>, rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert) writes:
 
>     Greetings.  Two Latin expressions have given me trouble, and maybe
> someone can explain things to me.  They are "Illegitimi non carborundum"
> and "Memento mori."  The problem with the first is that I haven't been
> able to find "carborundum" in any dictionary, and the problem with the
> second is that "mori" looks as though it ought to be "moriri" (infinitive,
> right?).  By the way, are there exact sources for these, or are they
> proverbial as far as can be determined?

Aah the smile on my first year Latin teacher's face when someone
asked him about the first phrase: It's pidgin latin, often as 
Nolite illegitimi carborundum: Don't let the bastards grind you
down. Carborundum isn't Latin, it's English and is used because
it resembles a Latin verb form.

Memento mori: mori _is_ an infinitive. I can't remember the
grammatical term (but it will come back seconds after I hit
send), but morior, mori, etc. is a verb which takes passive forms
in the active voice.

-dh
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From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Subject: a couple of Latin phrases
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:38:51 GMT


    Greetings.  Two Latin expressions have given me trouble, and maybe
someone can explain things to me.  They are "Illegitimi non carborundum"
and "Memento mori."  The problem with the first is that I haven't been
able to find "carborundum" in any dictionary, and the problem with the
second is that "mori" looks as though it ought to be "moriri" (infinitive,
right?).  By the way, are there exact sources for these, or are they
proverbial as far as can be determined?

    Thanks.


John Rickert				    Nec vitia nostra nec 
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu	    remedia pati possumus.
						  -- Livyr


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From: alderson@elaine7.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine7.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:46:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.043851.2270@news.vanderbilt.edu>, rickertj@athena (John Rickert) writes:
>
>    Greetings.  Two Latin expressions have given me trouble, and maybe
>someone can explain things to me.  They are "Illegitimi non carborundum"
>and "Memento mori."  The problem with the first is that I haven't been
>able to find "carborundum" in any dictionary, and the problem with the
>second is that "mori" looks as though it ought to be "moriri" (infinitive,
>right?).  By the way, are there exact sources for these, or are they
>proverbial as far as can be determined?

The oldest form of the grinding phrase used an ablative/dative rather than a
nominative, thus looking more like "real" (as in heraldic mottos) Latin:  "Not
to be ground by the bastards" = "Don't let the bastards grind you down."

The form of "memento" is also interesting--the so-called "future imperative,"
usually used in legal documents and such.  "Let it be kept in mind that things
die" is probably closest to the connotation intended.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Re: a couple of Latin phrases
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:26:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Oct2.152621.14339
Organization: AI Program, University of Georgia, Athens

In article <oneil.718002427@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert) writes:
>
>
>>    Greetings.  Two Latin expressions have given me trouble, and maybe
>>someone can explain things to me.  They are "Illegitimi non carborundum"
>
>I've seen this on coffee mugs and post-it notes.  It's their version of:
>"Don't let the bastards get you down."
                         ^^^
                         grind, rather.

It's not real Latin.  Carborundum (< "carbon" + "corundum") is the trade
name for silicon carbide grinding powder.  Literally, the expression
means, "The illegitimate are not Carborundum [so don't let them grind
you down]."

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