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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:42:50 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64420@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
[...]
>     they say Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and 
>     Pluto do have human life in their appropriate form (you notice
>     they didn't say they looked exactly like us especiallly).

Or are detectable by any of the NASA probes.  C'mon, John - at least give us 
something halfway plausable.  Everything you've posted in the past few weeks
has not only been silly in the extreme, but is easily disprovable by the most
rudimentary study of science.  Give it a rest.

	RA
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:16:39 GMT
  <63714@cup.portal.com>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

To Whom It May Concern: I have a little time so here I go answering somege
questions. Someone pointed out that in my mentioning  nine stars in
a certain cluster I only mentioned 6. Thanks for pointing that out. The
unmentioned stars are Merope, Maria and Taygete. The information came 
from conventional scientist not from the space people. Aother person said
that he was not aware of any writing that Richard Shaver did about rocks.
My communication with Mr. Shaver was by mail and he sent me more than 
one of his rocks and I gave them away. These rocks had paintings on them
and in them. They would have a painting of a mermaid or merman swimming
along in the ocean with a porpoise. These rocks had pictures with smaller
pictures making up the larger picture.------- JW.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
From: rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:19:00 GMT

)             My teacher then went on  the sides of Mt. Shasta with his car 
)     and drove all the way up to the lava on the sides of the 
)     mountain and this is one thing that I've never been able to figure
)     out because no one knows of any such road.  
)
)     That's all for now. John F. Winston.

Aha!  Hey I know that road *very* well.  See, I have a 4'x3' poster
of Mt. Shasta in my truck (right behind the seats on the back wall)
and it simply *enhances* driving anywhere, because wherever I go I'm
always on my way to or from Mt. Shasta!  It's been in my truck for
over 2 years now.  Honest truth.  I didn't know the significance of
it until now.  Well anyway, wherever you go, there you are.

[insert the sound of trees here]


--
Bob Pietkivitch     | "Moon, my long lost friend, is smiling from above."
rjp1@ihspa.att.com  |  -- Genesis, Stagnation 1970

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology,alt.hemp
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:34:51 GMT

csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:

> In article <Bt7tyn.8x7@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

> >After it landed in the middle of a field, and took off, a mysterious marking 
> >was discovered in the field.  It was rectangular, on a post, and said "Keep
> >off the grass."

> Actually, it landed in the middle of the BASEBALL field which is INSIDE
> the ASTROdome.  But that's perfectly normal, because superior lifeforms
> could easily fly through the dome (or just break through it for that
> matter.)  The weird part is, THERE'S NO GRASS!!!

And we can thank the Republican Party for that.

-- 
Kevin  "George Bush was a pilot in the Navy.  When he got his butt shot out
        of the sky, his life was saved by a parachute that had webbing made
        out of hemp.  George has spent most of his adult life trying to
        obliterate this extremely useful plant.  Why is this?"
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: occult secrets (dream)
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:02:38 GMT

In article <1g5m3--_@aix01.rz.fht-mannheim.de> mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz) writes:
>Bear Giles <bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU> talks about a dream.
>
>: In the second, a person tries to convince me to enter a theater to watch
>: a fascinating movie.  The movie is interesting, but I never leave the room
>: to continue my journey.

>Tell, what do you do when you're at the end of the journey and there
>are no more other people left to be helped with waking up?

The dream is a metaphor for me stripping away my own psychological defenses,
I don't help anyone else wake up.  I believe it was a "road-map" saying
"you're doing good so far, but you need to watch out for this trap now..."

I've never been able to figure out why the people from the first part of
the dream show up at the end, except as a form of symmetry.

BTW, in the _very_ last bit I reach the sub-^4-basement..., then I'm
standing at the fork in the trail from the very beginning of the dream.

>: Recurrent dreams like this are interesting because they're obviously
>: important, but the precise meaning is extremely elusive.  I leave it
>: to your imagination how much symbolizes Christianity.

>The metaphors aren't specific to Christianity - good symbolism, agreed.
>But I'd really like to hear what you think about the question above.

In this case, they represent Christianity.  A very dark verion of it,
but Christianity.  (I could provide background information by e-mail if
you wish).

>: You're either working towards your goal or you're wasting your life.
>Which is only the case if you assume it is meant to be/lead to something else.
>Taken for what it is - which exists only in relation to what it isn't -
>everything just is(n't).

In this dream, if I passed the current challenge I _always_ finished reached
the house.  It was only if I got trapped that I never reached the end.

To reuse an analogy I used in a later post, it was as if the entire dream
formed a single piece, a song, book or story, with the latter pieces only
sketched in until I reached them.  If I stopped partway, either because
I was trapped or I woke up, there was a strong sense of incompleteness.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:24:25 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <Bt7tyn.8x7@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>[alt.alien.visitors]
>In article <r50mtqa.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>>
>>Thanks John. Your latest posts are very interesting, although I'm not sure
>>I understand the Kibo thing. 
>
>I hear that a large, glowing, Kibo Thing (in technical terms, a
>Kibological Flying Craft, or KFC) was sighted over the Republican
>Convention, which is in the *ASTRO*dome.  COINCIDENCE?  I think NOT
>
>This craft looked just like something from the movie '2001', which as we
>all know is the most realistic science-fiction movie ever made, so
>obviously this Kibo Thing could not have been a hoax.
>
>After it landed in the middle of a field, and took off, a mysterious marking 
>was discovered in the field.  It was rectangular, on a post, and said "Keep
>off the grass."
>
Actually, it landed in the middle of the BASEBALL field which is INSIDE
the ASTROdome.  But that's perfectly normal, because superior lifeforms
could easily fly through the dome (or just break through it for that
matter.)  The weird part is, THERE'S NO GRASS!!!

>There is speculation that the alien craft was from Planet X, or perhaps
>Planet Schwa, although Carl Sagan and Arthur C. Clarke insist it was
>Planet T, home of the Earl Greys.
>							-- K.

The craft was from the Daily Planet, and the reason it was here is that
it was night.

C Squared
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: CCENS03@USLVM.USL.EDU
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:24:53 GMT

In article <12AUG199217320715@apsicc.aps.edu>
jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
 
>
>In article <l8gva7INNf2t@news.bbn.com>, ingria@BBN.COM writes...
>>In article <63859@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>
>>   Dear Rock Watchers: Dr. Demonde has found that rocks from around the globe
>>   breathe, but just one inhalation can take anywhere from three days to
>>   two weeks. They have also found that rocks also show signs of brain
>>   activity. Some scientist say they are impressed with the data. In a speech
>>   that the Doctor gave to a group of fellow biologists last month he said
>>   that we recognize that  our findings are startling, and we need as much
>>   additional information as possible to back up our work.
>>   So, that's it folks. I think I'll name my rock Lurch.
>>
>>Tut, tut.  I think you mean Thing.  It's much more appropriate!
>>
>>-30-
>>Bob
>>
>
>                When he can pick up 'Lurch' and tell what sex it
>                is then maybe I'll be interested.
>
Why?  are you a rockophile?
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Introduction to Newage
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:24:21 GMT
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs

In article <pkteagarden.19@bobcat.lmc.edu> pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden) writes:
>If you want to know about Newage stuff, read Kenneth Boa's book "Cults, World
>Religions and the Occult", Chapt. 27.

If it's like most anthropology, sociology, religious studies, etc. books
don't bother.

You'll be bored silly with stuff about Shirley Maclaine's best sellers,
people wearing 'magical crystals,' channelling, etc.

You will _not_ see a discussion of the tremendous popularity of the work
of Alan Watts, Joseph Campbell, et al, the popularity of non-violent
martial arts like Tai Chi or Akido, etc.

You will read stories of people who couldn't wear shoes if they didn't
have velcro fasteners, but not stories of people with college degrees
in technical fields saying "But, is this all?"

In a related field, a book I'm reading (_Magic, Witchcraft and Religion_)
has a reprint of an article where the arthor claims there are fewer than
2000 Wiccans in the U.S. and Britain.  His reasoning:  he could only
find _three_ pre-1951 covens in Michigan.  He somehow extrapolated this
to fewer than 150 covens in the U.S. and Britain over _twenty years later_,
completely disregarding the social impact of the 60's.

(He dismissed all covens formed after the liberalization of witchcraft
laws in Britain in 1951 as 'wanna-be's,' and all solitaries (a legitimate
state where a person is unaffiliated with any formal group) as disaffected
young women).

By his reasoning, there are no Christians.  After all, nobody still living
actually met Jesus Christ or his discipiles.

I've even seen the "new age" _dismissed_ as a Westernization of Zen.
While there are some people who only bother with the surface forms of
Zen, some people _are_ attempting to understand the deeper forms from
a Western perspective.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:58:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64210@cup.portal.com> <64246@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug19.170256.11432@kbsw1> <64310@cup.portal.com>
  <64329@cup.portal.com> <64384@cup.portal.com>

     Subject: People Evacuation Part 1.
             It seems that in the training that has been given to me
     in the past by the space people one of its purposes was to 
     make me a person who would be aboard a craft and help others
     to be calm in case of a personnel evacuation.  I'm not saying
     there is going to be one at the present time but if there
     ever was one I'd be ready.
             If you will, please let me conduct you on an imaginary 
     evacuation.  First of all you should hope to be invited to be
     taken aboard by some people that are from local planets for
     they say Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and 
     Pluto do have human life in their appropriate form (you notice
     they didn't say they looked exactly like us especiallly).
             The Brotherhood has on call over 11,000,000 craft the 
     last I heard.  They range from 30 foot shuttles (our word for
     it) to motherships 360 feet long.  One mother carries about 50
     shuttles.  Then they have ships that are called arks like the 
     seven cities of Shan.  Some ships have names such as Transvaal
     and one called Phoenix.  The next are minature worlds like the 
     New Jerusalem which is 1,500 miles square, but then I'm getting
     into religion.
             There are two or more ways to get picked up.  The first 
     is teleportation.  It's best to stand still with your two hands
     together pointed straight up.  This will cut down on the reac-
     tion your body may have to the  magnetic fild that is used to 
     pick you up.  The second way is like you going into Noah's Ark.
             This will be a lot like taking a trip aboard an air line 
     such as The Alaskian Air Line.  You may be greeted by a person
     like myself from Earth who will calm you down and tell you 
     where to go.  I'll introduce you to some very nice space people
     who will be taking you to a place that will be commensurante
     with your present developement.
             That's all for now.  
             I'll leave you with this saying;  I have heard a saying
     on Earth that is we ever went to another planet and found 
     another type of people or creatures that that were less 
     intelligent than we are we would ??? them.
             This is being  posted by Don Showen for John Winston. I
     am not Don.  Don is not me.
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:33:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Buddhist women, having a problem finding a Buddhist man?  I am about 
to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks to 
the imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 280 men and 155 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.  
 
                                                          Eric Klien
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.132545.8697@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.233100.6385@tc.fluke.COM>, emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
>> Perhaps they don't know what they are doing (they are insane).  Should we,
>> as people of this earth, allow insane people to kill people because they
>> don't know what they are doing?  Should we then refrain from stopping this
>> person from such killings because they don't know it is wrong?  A point
>> of clarification here: by claiming something as an absolute wrong, I'm
>> am not proposing that it is something that some do not violate.

>You are getting away from the point.  Are _you_ to be the one who decides?

What I am saying is under the Newage thought, should the world be a place
where killing is prohibited?  

>And if so, what other issues do you then have the right to decide on?   
>When you do want to begin to control what other people think or even do in 
>the privacy of their own homes or with another person.  

I not proposing this.  I'm only asking if the Newage thought sees behavior
such as killing as wrong.

>What I think about your random killing example is not relevant in this case.  

But this is what I'm asking you.  Should the newage declare murder wrong?

>Where and how do you draw the line and when do you begin to respect other
>people's approaches to their own religion rather than continuing to attempt to
>evangelize?  

I am referring to behavior.  And restating the issue, 

(1) Under the newage thought, should murder be considered an absolute
    wrong or a matter of personal choice?

(2) If so, then according to the newage thought, should the people of
    this earth remove the punishment of such behavior?

(3) Also, if so, should people be released from prison who are there
    for committing such crimes?  If not, why?

>Nuff said.  Random killing thread is dead.

A pun and a rhyme at the same time :-).

I think the issue is still alive and would enjoy hearing thoughts
on it.

God bless,


-- 
John Emery		"You say we've risen to a new age of light.
emery@tc.fluke.COM       You're telling me what used to be wrong
			 is now right."
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:43:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Question, Questions all I ever get is questions. Maybe one of these days
I'll get around to answering them, but first things first. Tonight (wednesday)
is OOBE (out of body experience) day, at 1100 P.M. Pacific Day Light 
saving time. This year a person had an operation and while he was under
the inflence of a pain killer he had an OOBE experience. This consisted 
of going to a place like heaven and feeling the presence of God and the 
whole nine yards. This person is Pope John Paul. In 1984 another person had
an OOBE when he was injured, started taking 50 sleeping pills a day and 
quit cold turkey. He then went into a coma for eight hours. During this
time he was unconcious but had an OOBE experience. His name is Burt Reynolds
the TV star of the show Evening Shade.   John Winston
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From: caina@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:38:57 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <63758@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Howdy all ya friends and neighbors: Some people say I'm not going to 
> get any respect unless I get serious so I'll give you a serious question;
> Have you hugged your rock today? Dr. /demonde, a biologist in Lyon, France
> left a rock on top of his electrocardiograph and when he came back after 
> being on vacation he saw that the rock had inpressed pulses on the machine.
> It was found that rocks breathe, but only one inhilation every three days
> to two weeks. They have a pulse which is about a day and a half. They canCok
> move but not too fast, about seven inches  in a period of 14 weeks. So 
> there you have it spacefans, we should have a rock race.
> John Winston.


   Someone needs to get out more often.  Also I would like to point out the 
holes in your theory.  Isn't it possible that someone else used the machine 
while he was away and just didn't take the data with him when he left the room.
And how can the rock leave any impressions unless he was hooked up? 
   Better yet I bet the rock was you during one of your astral journeys or 
   commute or whatever you call it.
   John, that acid is really catching up to you.

Alex
  
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:46:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64200@cup.portal.com> <2A913FB6.7904@tct.com>

Dear Chis, C Square, Chip and any other Forengee that may be out there:
Your questions remind me of the saying made by the gentleman of Spanish
decent in the classic movie  that had Humphrey Bogart in it "I don't 
have to show you any stinking badges".  I do have some new material
that exlains why the MIB use the part of horses and cows in their
appearances. A friend of mine explained to me about Kibo and I am 
honored to have him talk to me.  I would love to get my hands on one
of these rocks that can move. I'll try to get some more material on the net
about the MIB later usless they stop me.
John Winston.
From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Beginning to think is beginning to be undermined - Albert Camus.)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Creating your Reality, Part 2.
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:03:47 GMT


a few people have asked me for more info on the article on
the old "creating your own reality" debate in the 
july/august Yoga Journal, since they can't get the article themselves.
this is a very short summary.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

do we create our own reality? 
quantum physisists have discovered that we do. Have cutting-edge 
physics and consciousness met? 
"The Eagle's Quest" a book by Fred Wolf, who holds a Ph.D. from 
UCLA in theoretical physics, is one man's attempt to make them meet.

Wolf set out to live the implications of the observer effect,
one of the key tenets of quantum physics. This principle holds that
the very act of observation changes the supposedly objective reality
that is being observed. The observer effect is the scientific
theory behind the newage cliche - we create our own reality. 

"It is precisely how we observe that creates the reality we perceive,"
says wolf. "Change the how of it and you change the what of it."

wolf went to south america to talk to shamans, experiance the
shamanistic experiance, and explore the world-creating potency of
intent - how the observer shapes reality thru conscious perception --
how we tend to get what we believe in. Intent, he says, is
the machinery of the world. Intent is the hand that moves synchonicity, 
that weaves events into a tapestry of coherency.

aboriginal shamans see the world thru myth and vision. to them,
all events are universally connected -- and they all converge
in human consciousness. but the human consciousness is not
an independant entity bouncing thru the world, it's blended with
everything else - the true location of the "I", the agent of intent,
is the entire world. A nice spin on the Buddha's teaching that
all things are basically "egoless."

to me, all this is a satisfying affirmation of classic buddhism
- the universe is just "mind-stuff," -- but heck, maybe that's 
just the way i intend to see it. 8-)

   ando.
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