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From: x47377b2@usma6.USMA.EDU (Pritchard Sean CDT)
Subject: Site swap vs. MHN
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:58:02 EDT

I'm still confused about all this talk about Site swap notation and Multi hand
notation.  What programs use this notation and where are they available?  What
are the limitations of each.  Which is easier to use?  Which, overall, would
you recommend.  I guess it's time for me to emerge from the dark ages of
juggling.  I've been learning from arcane sources such as books and oral
tradition.  Into the electronic age...
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        o   o      o              o o   o o            |   \
        \_O_/       o\O        O/o         o\O       O/ /   \\O
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         / \         / \      / \           / \     / \      / \
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Sean Pritchard                 "Suppose you do learn how to do four.
x47377b2@usma6.usma.edu         Then what?  Five?  Six?  It's a path
                                to madness, and I would be remiss not
                                to tell you that."
                                     -Juggling for the Complete Klutz

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
Subject: ABC news meets the Stanford Court Jugglers
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:23:09

If you watch(ed) the ABC evening news tonight, broadcast from Stanford
University, you'll see (saw) the home of the Stanford Court Jugglers.  That
is, the grass in background behind him is where we juggle daily at noon.
OK, so I was too lazy to go get my clubs and (try to) juggle while he was
broadcasting.  We had just finished juggling a couple hours before.


On another note, thanks for the gif's from Montreal, Duane.  Got any more
coming?


And if you're in the Bay Area (even if you're not), you're welcome to come
join the Stanford Court Jugglers Wednesday evening meetings, which resume
tonight in Ricker Dining Hall in Sterling Quad (Governor's Corner on the
West corner of campus).  That's on Santa Teresa St. across Campus Drive
West from the tennis courts and near the golf driving range.  Juggling will
be from 7:30 till 10 or 11.  Free.
--
------------------
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or decwrl!labrea!me or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)
From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:41:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct7.184901.14567
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <OLIN.92Oct7183822@obelisk.sics.se>, olin@sics.se (Peter Olin) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Oct6.182057.7674@inmos.co.uk> jpk@freddy.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Kirkwood) writes:
> 
>	   Can anyone offer any helpful hints and tips on doing a 4-ball
>   half-shower (53 in site-swap). I can't seem to get it going at all - I'm
> 
>I'm also working on the 4-ball half shower and had (have) the same
>difficulties. I've sort of gotten over the initial threshold when it
>appeared to be impossible to get the timing right, but I still need
>lots of practice.
> 
>When I couldn't get it right I worked a bit on a synchronous crossing
>pattern with 4 and found that it helped me with the half shower. Try


There are two *basic* crossing patterns with 4 balls.  One is what I call a
"half shower," and involves throwing the balls TOGETHER.  Yes, at the exact
same time!  Just throw the balls from one side a little higher than the balls
from the other, throw together, and it should work.

The other pattern is a "triple-single" (named because of the number of
rotations a club does when doing the pattern with clubs instead of balls).  For
this pattern the timing is almost exactly the same as a 3 ball cascade
(LRLRLRLRLRLR...)  Just throw from one hand much higher than you throw the
balls from the opposite hand).  

Good luck,
Brian

P.S. Now would someone give me the big hint for 5 clubs?  It's been over two
years since I first started trying this.  Argh!
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:43:24 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Bob Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <2670132@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
>In rec.boats, henry@convex.com (Lee Henry) writes:
>
>    By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
>    your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
>    is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
>    use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.
>
>Trail a bucket over the stern
>
>Brian (no smiley intended)

Right. There's a British boating magazine I read occasionally that ran
a good article, with pictures, diagrams, etc., on getting out of the
marina under sail. Lots of great technique used, like scandalising
the main, which, by the way, is also a good thing to know if your
main halyard gets fouled with the main up like mine did. Anyway,
another bucket trick is to get up on the bow and heave the bucket
out, then use it to 'tow' yourself through the windless spots. 

Also, everybody should get rid of that cheap plastic bucket with
the metal handle, and replace it with a nice shippy canvas bucket
for around 10 bucks. The handle won't come off like the plastic
buckets' one will, especially if you're trailing it astern to slow
the boat.

Bob
bobp@sandr.com


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steve@bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: GPS
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 17:49:17 GMT
Distribution: na
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: steve@bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

>
>I recommend GPS over Loran because of the same reception conditions we
>have here on Lake Ontario as you have in California.
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Terry Gerritsen         |  G.T.M. Incorporated              (613) 384 0162
>terry@gtm-inc.com       |  Kingston, Ontario           Fax: (613) 389 4594
>                      "Transportation is our business"
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you like to go to the Bahamas the problem is the same.  Spotty coverage.



Steve                   Steve Weingart        IBM Boca Raton
                        steve@bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com

It's bad enough that I think these things, please don't think it's
my employer's opinion too.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steve@bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Help in choosing a VHF radio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:09:11 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: steve@bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

Mooring's charters uses Standard radios, I forgot which model.  Their
boats are rigged for reliability under abuse.  I bought a low cost
Apelco 5150 and have had it for about a year.  It sits in the companion
way and gets splashed sometimes.  It works just fine.



Steve                   Steve Weingart        IBM Boca Raton
                        steve@bcrvmpc2.vnet.ibm.com

It's bad enough that I think these things, please don't think it's
my employer's opinion too.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Nav lights for a sailboat (WAS: Nav lights quiz)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:15:00 GMT

>From: AKILPINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen, IAMSR)
>Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
>
>A related question to this. Last summer I saw (in Germany) some information 
>which  claimed that they plan such changes to the international regulations
>that you could replace the steaming light and the stern light by one 360 deg
>light. You could thus use the anchor light and bow lights while motoring. Have
>anyone else got any such information? A minimal configuration would thus
>consist of a combined tricolor-anchorlight and a combined red-green bowlight
>(for small < 12m sailboats I suppose).

I have an old Canadian guide (my recent stuff is all on board), which gives a 
combined red/green pulpit light plus all-round white light as a possibility 
for motor boats under 7m, applicable in Canadian waters. Also a masthead 
tricolour for sailboats under 12m, and a strange arrangement that I have 
never seen, for sailboats uner 20m, consisting of red, green and sternlights 
together with a masthead all-round red over all-round green.

--
 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ballard@alc.com (Carl Ballard)
Subject: Re: Help in choosing a VHF radio
Organization: Ascent Logic Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.105715.15337@hemlock.cray.com> ss@tamarack16.cray.com
(Sandra Swanson) writes:
>
>We would like to upgrade the radio in our boat.  We are currently
>using a hand-held, but would like something more powerful.  So we
>are looking to purchase a permanently mounted 25 watt VHF.  We
>already have a 1/2 wave 6db antenna on the boat.

Assuming you have a power boat, the 6db antenna is a good shoice.  However, for
a sailboat, a masthead mounted 3db antenna is a better choice.  First of all,
at 156 Mhz (the Marine VHF band) the signal travels line of sight, i.e., it
won't "bend" over the horizon.  Thus height is more effective than additional
power for getting additional range.  Also, a 6db antenna works by squishing the
signal into a horizontal doughnut.  As with a radar set, the signal will be
wasted in the water when the boat heels.

>
>Looking in the various catalogs one sees 25 watt radios priced from
>$119 to $500+.  Some have scanning (is it useful and what about all
>channel scanning vs. selectable scanning?), others don't.  Some have
>microphone speakers & channel changing, others don't.

I have a Ray Jeff 7878M which I got for $129 or so six years ago.  It has a lot
of scaning features.  The only one I hav ever used is one that sans between 16
and another channel (Our fleet ofter uses 9 or 68 for a working shannel on
cruises).  No that channel has been designated the secondary calling channel, I
may use the feature to scan more channels.  I certainly would not pay much for
these features, however.  Also, unless you plan international trips (e.g., to
Canada) paying for the international channels is not worth much.  Note
carefully that some of the U.S> channels (e.g., 22A) are not legal in Canada.  

I have used ham rigs with controls on the mic. They're not really so hot.  They
get in the way.
>
>Could some of you netters that have had experience with VHF radios
>please share your expertise?  What brands are best?  Most reliable?
>Take punishment (both water [fresh] & pounding) and still work?
>
Can't help here; my radio is in a dry location.

>Also, are the speakers in most radios adequate or should we think about
>a separage speaker closer to the helm?  I know with our hand-held we
>have trouble hearing it over the engine noise.

I have a cockpit speaker (on my Catalina 30) and I'm pleased with it.  There is
no way to hear my radio (mounted at the nav station) in the cockpit uless the
engine is off and there is little wind

- Carl Ballard
e-maiol: ballard@alc.com
From: wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill Jones)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:21:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Lattitude 38 Gaf
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I think they were pretty much asleep (or were too involved with the placement
of the "buns" pictures) to get the letter's pages in the right order either.
The farce about the aborted trip to Mexico via Aquatic Park twice was pretty
hard to follow...
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: GPS
Keywords: Happy
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:11:13 GMT

terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen) writes:
>> 
>> You didn't ask me but you did ask publicly so I'll just
>> jump in.  IMO, for what you want LORAN will work to 100%
>> satisfaction at a fraction of the price.  They are both excellent
>> systems, with GPS having a few advantages.  On the other hand GPS
>> still costs at least three times as much.  Unless you are going
>> offshore beyond LORAN range or need the precision of GPS it's up
>> to you whether it's worth the extra bucks.
>> 

>I have to disagree with you Gerard, LORAN will not work to 100% 
>satisfaction, 

OK,ok.  I exagerated again.  Given that Loarn is a convenience item,
not a substitute for DR,  I can live with temporary outages.

>if you sail, or power through any magnetic fields, it 
>will not give you accuracy, you do not encounter this with the GPS

As far as I know, magnetic fields have no effect on Loarn, zilch.
Nearby radio towers, on the other hand, can completely shut it down.
This is strictly a local phenomenum though.  Coverage does become
worse in locations where the hyperboae intersect at very large
angles and you need to be within a thousand or so miles of all three
stations.  Most prople do not find these limitations to be a major 
impediment.

>so what is more important a Loran that works part of the time, but
>costs a lot less, and could endager your life because magnetic fields

Endanger life?  Only if you make the error or relying 100% on any
one navigational tool.  The only things you can trust 100% are visual
fixes, either terrestial or celestial.  Everything else is an aid and
a convenience.

>interfer with its signal, or a GPS that is accurate to one foot, but cost

GPS is *not* accurate to one foot.  The civilian versions can rely only
on something like 100 yards.  How important is this kind of micro-accuracy
really.  A few hundred feet has always been close enuf for me.

And another thing.  It is a little known fact that Loarn has *better*
repeatability than GPS.  This means if you snap in a waypoint at your
current position Loran will get you to the same spot more accuratly
than GPS.

>three times as much. Don't get me wrong I have the Raython Loran and I
>used it a lot and was happy. The GPS is far more advanced has more features
>and probably will come down in cost as more and more people purchase it.

True, but right now it still costs 3X.  The original poster was thinking
of buying sooner than later if I recall correctly.  So I was using
todays prices.  

I happen to think the world of GPS and when the prices come down a little 
more I will get one. No ifs.  However, Loran did not become worthless
on the day GPS went into service and for many people they make a great
deal of sense.

One thing I will concede to GPS is that it has universal coverage with
consistent accuracy.  Loran cannot match this.  For coastal sailors
though this is not an ovcerriding concern.

cheers,
gerard
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:31:39 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Bob Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <9210071606.AA28435@ssd.comm.mot.com> krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Krueger) writes:
>Over the weekend, I sailed a 31 ft. Hunter on Lake Michigan.  What I noticed
>over two days of sailing is that the boat had better speed on close reaches
>than on any other point of sail.  I know from windsurfing and basic sail
>theory that beam or beam/broad reach should be the fastest point of sail.
>So I am wondering if there are certain designs which warrant a better speed
>when close reaching OR had we trimmed the sails incorrectly ?  Thanks for
>any responses.
>
>Kevin
>krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com

My Alberg 30 is faster on a close reach in some conditions, particularly
light air. My guess is that when she's a little more close-hauled she's
generating more wind by dint of movement, i.e. moving at 5 knots into
10 knots = 15 knots apparent. Also, heeling a moderate amount increases
my LWL.

Fastest I ever got her going was dead downwind, wing on wing with
the jib poled out, but it was blowing like hell, and we certainly
had too much sail up. Had to take a reef to beat back in.

Bob
bobp@sandr.com
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Beneteau Oceanis 350
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:16:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 13003@nas.nasa.gov, blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake) writes:
> 
  I'd like any advice you've got on the following:
> 
> Beneteau Oceanis 350
> 1988 model, 34' length, 11 foot beam, 10,500 lb. displacement
> 
> 
> 
> Comments on this particular Beneteau?
> 	- pointing ability, following seas handling, etc?
> 	- racing capability?
> 	- problems in constuction or design?
> 	- other?
> 
> Comments on Beneteau in general?
> 

I won't comment on the esthetics ob the Beneteau, I have a very good friend who has
a First 32.5 that he really likes.  So far as I can tell, they are great sailing
boats.

One work of caution.  The First 32.5 has a long flat section of the hull aft (under
the boarding platform) that is only an inch or so off the water.   With any kind
of wave action at all, the water slapping on that flat hull section makes it sound
like you are inside a drum.  I don't know if the Oceanis 350 has this same "feature"
but I would certainly check it out if I were planning to sleep aboard.

Jeff Huntington
From: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What is it worth?
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:48:24 GMT
Reply-To: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, mikeg@zehntel (Mike Goldstein) writes:
>Any ideas what a 1972 Johnson 9.5 outboard is worth? It has
>no hours on it as it was a kicker for a main motor that never
>fails.

I was up at a Johnson Dealer near here in Rockville, Md to get some
work done on my '72 Johnson 6 HP and while waiting, saw he had a number
of late 60's to mid 70's Johnsons for sale that he had rebuilt.  Prices
seemed to be in the $500 to $700 range, depending on size.  Probably
more than they cost originally.
					 Frank
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Rhodes 19: Suckful or Excellent?
Summary: Try an O'Day Mariner
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:46:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bw0p32.C9v.2@cs.cmu.edu> br@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>
>    My friend tells me he is considering buying a Rhodes 19.
>
>    This calls for a boat which:
>
>	1. Is fun (and fast) to sail
>	2. Moves well in light chesapeake breezes
>	3. Has a big enough cockpit for 4-5 folks in a pinch
>	4. Has a small enough draft to explore back creeks
>	5. Has a small cuddy cabin with room for 2 sleeping bags
>

   I think what your friend really wants is an O'Day Mariner. The Mariner
is based on the hull of the Rhodes 19 but has a small cuddy cabin with 
minimal accomodations for two. It's got a big cockpit that will easily
seat four or five for daysailing. It has a centerboard in place of the 
R19's fin keel that will be much better suited for shallow water sailing.
By all accounts the Mariner was an excellent sailing boat.
   It was produced beginning in the early 60's and is still in production
today by some small builder. I saw one at the Stamford, CT show and
it is little changed from the later models built by O'Day.
   The R19 is, by comparison, unsuited for cruising except by real hard
core backpacker types with little expectation for personal comfort. Good
day sailor and racer but definetly not a cruising boat in any realistic 
sense.

Wayne Simpson (no fancy .sig this time)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: Need help with Mercruiser stern drive.
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:09:04 GMT

Mike's return address doesn't seem to work, so ...

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:05:28 GMT, mikeg@zehntel (Mike Goldstein) wrote:

>My friend ahs a 26 foot Formula express cruiser that has twin
>mercruisers. We have 2 problems:
>1) the starboard engine sometimes stalls and swallows water - we think through
>the exhaust (the stern is quite heavy in this boat, the drives are completely
>submerged at reast and theus the motors are quite low.) When this happens
>we have to pull the spark plugs to spin the water out and then the engine
>runs fine. This never happens to the port motor.

I assume (by the fact that it's still running) that you're in fresh water.
Anyway, there is a shutter mechanism in the exhaust system.  These seem
to fail almost annually in salt water, and I suspect that yours has frozen.
Of course, it's also quite possible that you have a cracked exhaust manifold
or riser on that engine.  You didn't mention what engine that is, so I
can't tell much more about it by long distance.

>2) Both motors ALWAYS stall when shifting out of gear. they never stall going
>into gear. Every time we shift to neutral we have to restart!  Apparantly
>there is some mechanism that shorts the ignition when shifting on these
>and my friend thinks these may need adjustment - what is the procedure to
>do this??

Yes, there is such a mechanism.  However, it rarely needs adjustment.
There's a lever mechanism where the shift cable coming back from the
control box connects to the other shift cable that goes down into the
outdrive.  The mechanism exists to momentarily remove the load from the shift 
clutch.  The engines put out too much torque at idle to permit easy shifting.
Momentarily cutting out the engine relaxes the load on the clutch, permitting
the clutch to disengage easily.  When a load is placed on the shift cable
coming back from the control box, if there is resistance to movement of the
other cable, a roller rides up a ramp, opening a microswitch which cuts off
the ignition.  With the ignition off, the outdrive shifts.  This removes
the load on the lower cable, permitting the roller to ride back down the
ramp, closing the microswitch.

That second (lower) shift cable is the usual culprit, at least in
salt water.  When it gets stiff and sticky, it causes the cutout switch
not to recenter itself and turn the ignition back on.  You cannot compensate
for a bad lower cable via adjustment -- the cable must be changed.

The adjustment procedure varies a little between models, but the result
of adjustment should be that the drive is exactly half-way between forward
and reverse when the shift lever on the control box is in neutral.


>thanks-

Sure!

>mike goldstein

--
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:10:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <2670135@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
>In rec.boats, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>
>    that makes into an orgy-bed, the boat has been given a terminal
>                       ^^^^^^^^^
>    case of nautical thunder-thighs.
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Isn't it rather delightful, seeing those two terms in such close
>proximity?
 
I could post an extensive list of the linguistic crossovers between female
anatomy and the parts of ships and vice-versa. But perhaps 
I won't :-)
 
Greg
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:47:24 GMT
Subject: Re: tailpipe underwater question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO