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From: sun-barr!west.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!texsun!digi!kgallagh@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Kevin Gallagher)
Subject: Re: Zip
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:06:46 GMT
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In article <3687@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> rotherme@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Pete Rothermel) writes:
>Does anybody have a copy of zip and unzip that will
>run on the Apollo with version 10.3 of Aegis?

I'll assume that you are having problems building the program under Aegis.

So, I suggest you do the simple thing and build zip and unzip is a bsd shell.
The executable generated should then execute without a problem when running in
an aegis shell.

I built it easily under bsd using 6.8 of the Domain C compiler.
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From: bcstec!voodoo!howie@uunet.uu.net  (howie)
Subject: Need acces to more disk space.
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:01:55 GMT
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Anybody have experience adding large amounts of disk space to a token ring?

I need to find viable options to acquire additional disk space.  The solution 
will have to provide a fair degree of transparency to the end user, therefore
FTP does not appear to be satisfactory.

Is NFS a realistic approach?  Are there any good fileservers can connect
directly to the ring?

Thanks very much for any assistance.

-- 
				       howie              

				       howie@voodoo.boeing.com
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From: bcstec!hall@uunet.uu.net  (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: DM/Xdomain swap problem - resolved
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:28:57 GMT
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  Howdy! I posted this problem earlier and I finally have a solution. (Thanks
to the good people at the HP response center.)

  Here is the original post:

 > I have another problem with the Apollo and I'd appreciate any help I can
 > get on this: I'm running Xdomain on an Apollo at SR 10.3.5.1. (I use
 > x11start to run the Xdomain process.) What I want is a script that will
 > switch back from the Xdomain side to the DM before running an application.
 > Unfortunately, when I try a 'kill -16' on the Xdomain process (or a
 > sigp xdomain -c 9010010), the DM does not work correctly. (I.e. I can't
 > enter text normally in a shell, etc.)

  As some of you may already know, this is a known problem that occurs because
modifier keys are used as part of the sequence to swap between Xdomain and
the DM. A workaround to this problem is to redefine the key sequence that
performs the swap so that it _does_not_ include modifier keys.

  On the DM side, just define a single key, sans modifiers, to send the proper
signal to the Xdomain server. For example:

  kd f9 cpo /com/sigp xdomain -c 9010011 ke

will define the 'f9' key to perform the switch. (I actually defined the f9s
key to perform this function, since f9 is being used for something else.)

  On the Xdomain side, you need to modify the "/usr/X11/lib/X0pointerkeys"
file. This is a link to "`node_data/etc/X0pointerkeys". At the end of the
file, the following entries appear:

  #borrow_mode_key f9
  #borrow_mode_mod1_key shift_l
  #borrow_mode_mod2_key control_l

This is modified as follows:

  borrow_mode_key f9
  borrow_mode_mod1_key f9
  borrow_mode_mod2_key f9

(To be consistent with the f9s on the DM side, I changed it to the following:

  borrow_mode_key f9
  borrow_mode_mod1_key shift_l
  #borrow_mode_mod2_key control_l

and it seems to work okay.)

  You will, of course, need to modify your ~/user_data/key_defs?* files so
they don't retain the old '^F9' key definition. (Just redefine the '^F9'.)

  This appears to fix the problem caused by a 'sigp xdomain -c 9010010' call
on the Xdomain side. (When it swaps back to the DM side, the DM 'thought' the
control key was being held down.) The only problems I've experienced is
when I accidently used the old '^F9' key sequence, instead of 'l_shift-f9'.
In this case, I still get the Control problems on the DM side, and the menus
do not appear on the Xdomain side.

  Presumably this problem is fixed, or will be fixed, for versions of Xdomain
that are more recent than the 10.3.5.1 release.

  Thanks to everybody who responded!
-- 
 Bob Hall,                 | "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
 Workstation Peripheral    | Then give up. No use being a damn fool about it."
 Boeing Computer Services  |                                     -Groucho Marx
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From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!uknet!news.cs.bham.ac.uk!dma@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Denis Anthony)
Subject: Apollo workstation used as an xterm on HP network (solution)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham University. Great Britain
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:04:28 GMT
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I received the following useful advice :-

From: Ake Burman <ab@mkon.lth.se>
To: D.M.Anthony@cs.bham.ac.uk (Denis Anthony) (Denis Anthony)
Subject: Re: Making Apollo 3500 workstations into xterms running over an HP 
         network

In article <BvFw7E.C64@cs.bham.ac.uk>, you write:
> I am trying to get info on cutting down a kernel, to allow
> workstations (3500's) on a domain token ring network (of which one
> machine needs to remain a domain machine) to be used as x terms on our
> new HP net. I have enquired at HP, and from colleagues, and have thus
> far drawn a blank. Ideally I should like the equivalent of Xkernel, as
> seen on Sun machines.
> 
> Advice will be appreciated, and summarised if appropriate.


I have sucessfully used our 425t/s machines as xterminals, You have to run SR10.3.5 or later. Use the X-server: Xdomain, not Xapollo. I used the command:
 Xdomain -query remotemachine. In our net I connected to a HP710 and everything worked fine. Even switching between DM and X worked OK!

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*	Ake Burman	                                                  *
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From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!spool.mu.edu!think.com!rpi!utcsri!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!system@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: Strange login behavior
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: fj
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:20:03 GMT
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In article <1alasgINN6np@agate.berkeley.edu> kmorgan@soda.berkeley.edu (Keir Morgan) writes:
>   [... bad pty stuff deleted ...]
>   I hope this works as a temporary fix.

Not likely; every release of SR10.x (x=0,1,2,3,4) has had pty problems.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com (jt -- John Thompson)
Subject: re: Problem with extended acl objects
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:52:32 GMT
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> In the past few months, of and on, we're losing some files with
> the error "extended acl object not found for object". ls shows
> that the file is there but we cannot read/copy it. ld -a shows
> that the rights are "rts??". Salvol, sald, salacl don't help in
> any way. Does anyone have any idea as to what causes this
> problem? Is there any way to fix it?

The problem is that somewhere, you're losing the ACL object that holds extended
entries (the ones beyond Person/Group/Org/World).  The why is beyond me.

The workaround for this is to have root or locksmith do a
    /com/acl file_with_missing_acls   file_with_good_acls
on the object(s).  If dirs are getting hosed, then use a directory for each of
the above, and tack a '-all' onto the end of the command.  This will throw out 
the current (bad/missing) ACLs, and replace them with the known good ones.

-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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From: sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (James Kumorek)
Subject: Re: DDE X-interface, sys 10.4 and DN10000
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:38:36 GMT
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In article <1992Oct5.164305.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:
|> In article <BvnL08.9GB@apollo.hp.com>, kumorek@apollo.HP.COM (James Kumorek) writes:
|> > In article <9210042009.AA06686@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET (Darrell Skinner) writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |>    We had been looking forward to putting sys 10.4 up on our DN10000/PRISM
|> > |> so we can use the dde debugger from non-Apollo machines via the promised
|> > |> X-interface.
|> > [...]
|> > There is no X user interface for DDE v2.0 on the DN10000 because HP decided
|> > not to provide Motif 1.1 and X11R4 development environment on the DN10000.
|> 
|> Ah, but couldn't one run dde v2.0 on an m68k Apollo with the X display
|> pointed back at a non-Apollo, then (using the neat but soon-to-die
|> cross-platform/cross-network debugging facilities) debug the program on
|> the 10k?

This is exactly how you would need to do it.

As an aside, the "soon-to-die" part is not currently planned;  It is hoped
that (resources and time permitting) the remote debugging features of DDE
will be implemented on HP-UX for version 3.0 of DDE.  This would be only for
HP-UX to HP-UX debugging, however.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jim Kumorek
Systems Technology Division
Massachusetts Language Lab - Hewlett Packard
kumorek@apollo.hp.com
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From: destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!cascade.cs.ubc.ca!not-for-mail@gumby.wisc.edu  (Marc Romanycia)
Subject: Seeking whereabouts of Lars Plum (lbplum@ecst.csuchico.edu)
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:20:07 GMT
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Hello,
  I am trying to locate a fellow by the name of Lars Plum
(lbplum@ecst.csuchico.edu) who responded to an ad I posted to this
newsgroup a month ago.  I sent Lars Plum components from a DN3500 which I
had put up for sale expecting him to send payment as soon as he received
the goods.  The goods were received by him but since then he no longer
responds to my e-mail queries and my phone calls to his residence yield
inconsistent stories from his roommates, some to the effect that he no
longer lives there, others to the effect that he is out for the evening.
I do know Lars is knowledgeable about Apollo computers and has posted in
this newsgroup before.  If anyone could assist me in tracking this
fellow down, it would be greatly appreciated.
  Thanks,
Marc Romanycia (roman@cs.ubc.ca)
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From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!dxcern!khan@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Rizwan Ali Khan)
Subject: Problem with extended acl objects
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:23:37 GMT
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In the past few months, of and on, we're losing some files with
the error "extended acl object not found for object". ls shows
that the file is there but we cannot read/copy it. ld -a shows
that the rights are "rts??". Salvol, sald, salacl don't help in
any way. Does anyone have any idea as to what causes this
problem? Is there any way to fix it?

Thanks for any help!

Rizwan
khan@dxcern.cern.ch
khan@cernapo.cern.ch
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From: mcsun!ub4b!news.cs.kuleuven.ac.be!blekul11!alijku11!k320140@uunet.uu.net
Subject: dm-edit via nfs
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:26:14 GMT
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Sorry if this is a faq, but I have a (for me) unsolvable problem:
We are using Apollos (OS 10.3) and Suns (OS 4.1.2) and want to
mount some Sun Volumes from the Apollos and edit the Sun-Files using
Apollos's Display-Manager-Editor. Mounting works fine, ....

If a Sun-File is clicked with the right mouse button, the file opens
in read-only mode. But it is not possible to toggle between read-only
and insert mode.
If the edit-button is used, the file opens in insert-mode, but it is
not possible to rewrite it to the disk.

   -- insufficient rights to perform operation (from ios manager)

But the following operations are allowed:
   touch test-file
   cat >>test-file
       abra
       ^d
   more test-file
   rm test-file


Files which are opened by means of the edit-button change their
ownership to root, while the .bak file gets the original file's
owner.

Any hints are very appreciated. (Hellllp |||)

Thanks,

Thomas D. Mueller-W.
University of Linz
tmw@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
tmw@aearn.bitnet
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From: das.wang.com!wang!news@uunet.uu.net  ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: RAID 7 Disk Array Platforms for Apollo
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:33:22 GMT
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Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. is currently showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September International VINES
User Meeting.  SCSI-based, they work equally well with NetWare, workstations
like the RS/6000 and HP/Apollo, for example, IBM systems, etc.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations
and midrange systems in addition to IBM's.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to
same disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.
The drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

There was a lot of activity this week at the Storage Computer RAID 7 booth
at the Boston Banyan show as I walked by.  They were demoing what happens if
a drive goes down, showing the backup drive taking over.

For further information on Storage Computer's RAID 7 for any system, their
key US contact is indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical
Services at Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.  John Taylor is at the
same telephone numbers; he's the VP of international.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
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From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!network.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!pegasus.mit.edu!bri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Brian D. Carlstrom)
Subject: Imake Config Files for SR10.4
Organization: mit
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:45:55 GMT
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I am trying to install some software that heavily depends on imakefiles
for the installation, build, etc. i was wondering if any people have 
whatever imakefiles are necessary for SR10.4 (or 10.x) in a BSD environment.
I'd appreciate it if you could email them to me so i can figure out whats 
going on.

-bri
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com (jt -- John Thompson)
Subject: re: CDROM access?
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:54:14 GMT
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> :)Is there any way to use the CDROM drives except with the cdfsmount
> :)type commands? Most other boxes support some other level of controls
> :)for these. I'm at 10.3.5.
> 
> There must be because Mentor Graphics is now (in the last year and a
> half) shipping all their software on CDROM.  They don't actually mount
> the cd when they do a software install.  I've looked through their
> installation scripts once or twice and it looked like it was done with
> the help of rbak, although there was another program helping since rbak
> cannot directly access the CDROM.  The name of the other program escapes
> me at this point.

Mentor Graphics currently uses the cdfsmount commands (8.0_5 and beyond), although
you can supposedly still use their device driver instead.  At 8.0_3(?) and earlier,
they used a device descriptor file (DDF) to access the CD-ROM.  I'm afraid I don't
know other details of how they access the DDF (nor do I happen to have a copy of
the DDF to describe).

Unless I'm mistaken, the Mentor install pipeline is 'cat NAME | rbak -stdin ...'

-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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From: agate!spool.mu.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!utcsri!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!system@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: dm-edit via nfs
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:40:44 GMT
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In article <92276.144345K320140@ALIJKU11.BITNET> K320140@ALIJKU11.BITNET writes:
>Sorry if this is a faq, but I have a (for me) unsolvable problem:
>We are using Apollos (OS 10.3) and Suns (OS 4.1.2) and want to
>mount some Sun Volumes from the Apollos and edit the Sun-Files using
>Apollos's Display-Manager-Editor. Mounting works fine, ....

NFS 2.3 had a bug where root on the Apollo did not get exported as root
to the remote system, so you would get permission denied when writing
as root, but not as any other valid user. There is a patch for this.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
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From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!digital!digital.sps.mot.com!chen@ucbvax.  (Jinfu Chen)
Subject: Re: timezone()
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 20:02:41 GMT
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In article <1992Sep24.134506.11216@email.tuwien.ac.at> mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach) writes:
>#include <time.h>
>
>main()
>        {
>        printf("timezone(0,0) := %s\n", timezone(0,0));
>        }
>
>
>  Here it just crashes with a segmentation fault (or an EMT trap, depending
>on the phase of the moon).

If you read the SR10.3 release notes, or poke around /usr/include/time.h file
you will find that timezone is also a data structure for System V.  What you
need is to use -Dtimezone=_bky_timezone for compiling or just redefine
timezone to _bky_timezone.  See following example:

logic<9 tmp>% cc timezone.c
logic<10 tmp>% ./a.out
Illegal instruction
logic<11 tmp>% cc -Dtimezone=_bky_timezone timezone.c
logic<12 tmp>% ./a.out
timezone(0,0) := MST
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: BadMatch error from XGetImage
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:27:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

Date: 2 Oct 92 12:55:29 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct2.125529.12867@miki.pictel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <4202@papaya.bbn.com> suep@bbn.com (Sue Pawlowski) writes:

>According to the Xlib Reference Manual, the BadMatch error will occur 
>if the specified rectangle goes off the edge of the screen - how can
>I tell if that is going to happen before calling XGetImage ? 

(1) Make a pixmap the same size as the rectangle you want to capture.
(2) Clear the pixmap.
(3) Use XCopyArea to copy the window to the pixmap.
(4) If you get a NoExpose event, the copy was clean.  Use
    XGetImage to grab the image from the pixmap.
(5) If you get one or more GraphicsExpose events, the copy
    wasn't clean, and the x/w/width/heigh members of the 
    GraphicsExpose event structures tell you the parts of
    the pixmap which aren't good.
(6) Get rid of the pixmap; it probably takes a lot of memory.

>Also, how can I tell at runtime which window manager - OpenWin, TWM, etc
>is running ? 

It's difficult -- many consider it impossible.  See the FAQ.  Your
problem is probably not related to the window manager anywawy.
From: steve@MITL.COM (Stephen Johnson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: How do I temporarily turn off a Command Widget?
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:31:42 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory, Princeton, NJ

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:54:28 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep30.195428.7278@MITL.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I have an application written using the Athena widget set that queries
a database when a command widget "button" is selected.  The problem
occurs when the retrieval takes too long (the users get impatient
after a few seconds) and the button is selected again.  This causes
the retrieval to happen again before displaying the results of the
first try, causing everything to happen even slower than necessary.

I've tried removing the retrieve processing function from the widget's
callback list, but this didn't help.  What am I missing?  Does anyone
have any ideas that can help?

			Thanks,
			    Steve Johnson
			    steve@mitl.com