HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mlbizer@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Marc Bizer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Deskwriter out of memory
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:00:39 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Jan1.035440.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> ,
starver@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Using my HP Deskwriter 550C, I have experienced "Out of Memory"
problems, at
>least according to my PrintMonitor. 

To all Deskwriter owners,
     I have experienced a possibly similar problem with my black and
white Deskwriter using the version 3.1 AppleTalk driver under System 7.1
on my PB 170 with 8 MB of RAM. If I'm printing while I have any control
panels open, I get a warning message from the Finder, informing me that
the CP has been closed because of insufficient memory. Matters are worse
than that, though: I have found that sometimes the Finder is so low on
memory that it refuses to do anything such as letting me open a file
folder, let alone launch an application while printing. "About the
Macintosh" always shows that I have megabytes of RAM left over in the
"Largest free block." Apparently, the Deskwriter driver uses memory in
the Finder's partition. Has anyone experienced similar problems? I'd love
to hear about them as well as about possible remedies (I've contacted HP
about this). Please e-mail me directly and post to the net.
	              Sincerely yours,
                Marc Bizer (mlbizer@bongo.cc.utexas.edu)
From: sls16@po.CWRU.Edu (Samuel L. Shank)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MiltiSync monitors
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:12:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking for a monitor (color) for my PB160.  I guess that it has to be MultiSync.  I am not very familiar with monitors, and was wondering if someone
coluld reccomend a good cheap one.  I would like to spend as little as
possible.  What 3rd party ones are available?  Is there some sort of adapter
that will let me use non multisync monitors?  Reply via email or news post.
Thanks,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: lamont@rtsg.mot.com (Bradley Lamont)
Subject: Re: FTC Finds Microsoft Monopolizing Software Industry
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:54:53 GMT

In <1h08p9INNb9t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) writes:


>Well ladies and gentlemen, it seems Billy Gates and his Gestapo at
>Microsoft are going the way AT&T did in the early 1980s- a breakup.
>Yesterday the Federal Trade Commission found Microsoft to be monopolizing
>the computer software industry and to be practicing unfair business
>practices. The FTC wants to know how Microsoft garnered 95% of the overall
>operating system and major software markets before it cotinues further
>actions which will entail one of or more than one thing:
>
>1) Breaking up of Microsoft into smaller subdivisions
>2) Enacting "Barriers" around the company as to what its pricing, sales,
>   business practices may be. 
>
>
>I know *I'm* Happy! :-)
>-- 
>Travis Grundke	 	    |  For More information about MacGames Digest,

Source for this tidbit of info?

(Not that I don't consider you reliable, but might want to cut it out of the
paper :-)

Brad
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From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Info wanted on Newton
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:33:18 GMT
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Vincent Wass (vwass@sdcc13.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: I've been hearing bits and pieces of info about Newton, which 
: is, from what I've heard, a pen-based system built from the ground
: up from Apple.  But that's all I've heard.  I am interested in this
: product, can any one fill me in on the details, or reference me to 
: any helpful literature?  Thanks.

If you're interested in developing applications for the Newton, contact
Newton Developer Relations at NEWTON.DEVS@applelink.apple.com and ask to
be added to the Newton Developer Information Program, and they will send
you information.

If you're not interested in developing, I suggest you pick up an old issue
of MacWorld or MacUser where they've had articles about it. I can't remember
what issue, I have it lying around somewhere. The Newton is scheduled for
release in early 1993.

/Mats
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From: paryavi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LaserPrinter with Power Supply of 100-240V
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:00:48 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

chan@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Chan) writes:

>Dear netters,

>I am presently interested in getting a postscript laserprinter
>for my Macintosh. However, I need one with auto-power switching
>between 100-240V, as in the Mac machines.
>Does anyone have any information?

>Thank you in advance and a Merry Christmas to you!

>Yuen-Chuen Chan
>email: chan@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
>Dept. of Electron. Engr.
>Univ. of Tokyo
>Japan

I highly recommend the Digital DecLaser 1152 printer.  It is auto-power 
switching between 100-240V as you desire.  It also includes TRUE Adobe 
Level II PostScript, handles multiple simultanious ports, etc.  
Best of all, it can be had for about $1000 from most places.

If there is enough interest, I can post a detailed description and my 
evaluation of the printer.  I own one and love it.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: chang hsu liu <cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Will ants do harm to the computer?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:49:40 GMT


I found 20-30 ants living in the transceiver for the Mac. Although I
couldn't find any in the Mac now, I am afraid they might do this
in the future. Is there any wisdom on this matter? I guess it's not
a good idea to let them live peacefully close to my Mac, but I don't
know a best way to prevent them from doing so. Is there any 
chemicals that I could put on the desk that will prevent them even
moving closer to furniture? 

Please either post to the Newsgroup or e-mail me the message. I
will post it if I get enough messages.

Thanks in advance.

Peter Liu
cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu (Stewart Abramson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: WHERE IS APPLE SERVICE ?????
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:08:36 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: University of Pittsburgh



I just bought a new quadra 700 with "Multimedia Til 8-15" from my
University.
When I got it, the 400MB hard drive was formated, but there was NO SOFTWARE
on it, not even system software!!!  I had to install system 7 from the
discs
that were provided.

When we looked inside, it did have a VideoSpigot card in it, although the
back slot was not opened up.

This computer was supposed to come with lots of bundeled software, and In
fact I got some (all?) manuals for VideoSpigot, Adobe Premiere, and Aldus
Persuasion.  BUT NO SOFTWARE!!!!!

My univresity Rep says that I cannot talk directly with the Apple Rep,
and that our Apple Rep is hard to get a hold of, slow, and not very good.
So now what do I do??????  Sit around with my finger in my *** waiting?
I do not even know exactly what software I didn't get!!!!

How do I get Apple to respond to this oversight on their part?????

HELP!!!!!!!

Please respond to 
Stewart
sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu
From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: So wadda ya like in Digitalizer Pads?
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:45:16 -0500

  TC> Does anyone have any recommendations on Digitilizer Pads? I'm looking
  TC> for 12"x12" or slightly larger pad to use for art work/image
  TC> manipulations.  All suggestions appreciated.

I have no experience with them myself, but our local BBS has several graphics
artists who have run the gamut and now swear by Wacom tablets. Cordless pens (or
pucks), pressure sensitive, and they're fast enough that they don't
"submarine".
 
Good Luck!
From: gleicher@CS.CMU.EDU (Michael Gleicher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: cheap VGA monitors and macs
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:28:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzrsC4.E3M.1
Distribution: comp
Organization: CMU Graphics Group
Originator: gleicher@HOSTESS.GRAPHICS.CS.CMU.EDU


I need to buy a monitor fo my PC notebook, and would like to use it as a
second monitor for my Mac. So, I was wondering:

which monitors would work?
can I just buy a generic one and buy a cable seperately?
	(if so - who will sell me the cable?)
if not, who sells inexpensive monitors which come with both cables?
	(is there a cheaper one than a Sony 1304?)
on a related note: some of these cheap multisync monitors will work up to
1024x768 on PCs. Is there a way to get an apple video card (I have an old 4x8
card and an 8x24GC card) to drive one of these monitors in a resolution grater
than 640x480?

I have this dream of buying a $300 multisync SVGA monitor, a cable, and
getting 1024x768 8 color video from my Mac. I'm sure this is just a dream, but
if someone would tell me how close to this dream I can get, I'd be most
greatful.

Thanks,
	Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: ImageWriter II LocalTalk Option
From: dimshftr@netlink.cts.com (Adam Tow)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:36:37 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

        What exactly is the ImageWriter II LocalTalk Option anyway? Is it 
an add on that enables network capability or an extension of some sort? 
Thanks...

-adam

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From: jba@ai.mit.edu (Jonathan Amsterdam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: broken Mac Plus
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:29:11
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: kix.ai.mit.edu

My Mac Plus wouldn't boot today.  The sad mac number is 010140.  What does
this mean?  About how much should I expect to pay for a repair?

	Thanks,
	Jonathan Amsterdam
From: chan@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: LaserPrinter with Power Supply of 100-240V
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:36:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

Dear netters,

I am presently interested in getting a postscript laserprinter
for my Macintosh. However, I need one with auto-power switching
between 100-240V, as in the Mac machines.
Does anyone have any information?

Thank you in advance and a Merry Christmas to you!

Yuen-Chuen Chan
email: chan@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Dept. of Electron. Engr.
Univ. of Tokyo
Japan
From: chip@inter.interzone.ch (Marc Liyanage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Can I use Q950 VRAM in my Q700?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 21:10:09 CET
Organization: Interzone Switzerland
Reply-To: chip@interzone.ch
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


Hi,

Is there any difference between these kinds of VRAM SIMMs? I
just ordered a few of those explicitly for my Quadra 700, yet
on the order confirmation they list as Quadra 950 VRAM SIMMs.

Any help appreciated...

-Marc



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: leaving macs running for extended periods
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:31:53 GMT

How much electricity does a computer take up? It's a motor, that's 
basically it! Turn off the monitor and devices, and you're basically
running a light bulb! I think it's worth it. I've had a few hard 
drives die on me after being turned on and off more than once a day.
I guess it depends on your use and what you value most - data or
electricity.

-Scott J. Kleper
"Sgt. Kleper"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson)
Subject: Re: Where to get logic boards
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:12:04 GMT

							-Jason
						jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

ps
Sorry about the previous empty post,don't know what went wrong.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: terjer@ifi.unit.no (Terje Rydland)
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Organization: IfI, UNIT-AVH
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:07:12 GMT

In article <BzoBtM.6Jv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec17.224200.22219@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> merrifie@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael C Merrifield) writes:
> 
> >
> >        "Recent Studies Reveal 25MHz Is Now Faster Than 50MHz"
> >
> >"Ingram Benchmark Results, March 1992 - 25 and 33 MHz 040 Macintosh Quadra
> >Outruns the 486 at 33 and 50 MHz."
> >
> >"This revelation is brought to you by the Apple Macintosh and the Motorola
> >68040."  The add goes on to say that Ingram Labs (an independent PC testing
> >firm) compared the newest 040 Macs (Quadra 950 and 700) to several of the
> >quickest 486 Windows PCs running the most popular applications for both
> >Macintosh and Windows 3.0 (such as Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Wingz, PageMaker,
>                        ^^^ Oh goody. Why not use go whole hog here and
>                            use Windows 2.11? 3.1 is quite a bit faster 
>                            than 3.0.

The comparision is quite old. 3.1 didn't exist when the test was done.


> What else was in those machines? They probably put Trident cards in the 
> clones and used (slow) IBM VGA in the PS/2s.

Standard machines, straight out of the box.
Just be happy they didn't include the time it takes to set up the machines!




Terje Rydland
Dept. of Informatics, UNIT, Trondheim, Norway
Internet : terjer@ifi.unit.no
AppleLink: NOR0103
Tlf : +47-7-591845
Fax : +47-7-591733
From: skum@bessel.umd.edu (Allon Stern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Sticky Mouse Revisited
Keywords: mouse problem
Date: 25 Dec 92 09:39:53 GMT
Organization: Skum Knows Unix, Maybe

In article <1992Dec23.142700.21501@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> crg@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Chuck Grissom) writes:
>In article <dross.725075785@cs.wisc.edu>, dross@cambizola.cs.wisc.edu (Dan Ross) writes:
>|>                                       Also, the problem seems to
>|> occur much more frequently in SimCity. 
>|> 
>
>If it occurs more often in one program than another (it does for me, also) 
>does that suggest a software problem (e.g. timing, botched interrupt handling,
>etc.)?
>

Happens to me all the time in MPW shell

Hmmmmm.....

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: 14.4k modems--feedback needed
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:05:05 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec25.181655.4213@news.cs.brandeis.edu> palais@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>>> I'm in the market for a 14.4K v.42bis modem.  I'm looking at 
>>> Zoom, Practical Peripherials, Logicode, and Supra. 

>You should also look at the ZyXEL U-1496E.  After a fair amount 
>of research and user feedback I concluded that this was a high 
>quality component and at a very fair price (I think around $330
>from Kandy Shack (800-638-1170)).
>  I purchased one and it has performed flawlessly for the past month.

Same here.  It works great.

The Global Village Teleport Gold works find too.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff)
Subject: Apple price list?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:24:50 GMT

Does anyone know where an apple price list is?

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From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:22:14 GMT
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us

In <1992Dec26.230858.4892@netcom.com> parag@netcom.com (Parag Patel) writes:
>peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
>>My friends at DEC tell me there was one overriding reason that Alpha
>>wasn't picked over PowerPC: Politics.  The technological considerations
>>were a distant second.
>Don't underestimate the effects of hardware endian problems (ie which
>byte is most significant in a word).  Macs (mc68ks) are big-endian, and
>a lot of software (system and otherwise) makes implicit assumptions
>about it.  The Alpha is little-endian, making both porting Mac system
>software and Mac emulation a lot more difficult.
> ...
>I believe that the PowerPC is like the MIPS, in that it can handle
>either endian-ness, but if it can't, I'll bet it's big-endian.
>Unfortunately, while most modern chips can go either way, the software
>which runs upon it usually doesn't.  Sad, but system software generally
>has to make such assumptions to run fast (networking code, drivers, etc.)

Don't overestimate the effects of byte-order, either.  Extremely few programs
*should* care one way or the other, and very few programs *do* care one way
or the other (having ported enough software to learn the difference in the
size of those two sets :-).  It is not hard to write software (in high-level
languages, anyway) which is independant of byte order -- to use one of your
examples, get a copy of the Berkeley networking code (before USL has it
declared Top Secret :-( ), and look around for uses of the macros ntohs(),
ntohl(), htonl(), htons(); essentially, you convert network-order values to
host order once, then stare at them hundreds of times in native format.  The
"wrong-endian" processor for a given network is at a slight disadvantage
(since it does, indeed, need to swap those bytes), but it only needs to swap
them once.  Drivers are somewhat harder (though with the prevalence of byte-
wide chip registers, this is less of a problem than you might thing), but it
is nowhere near insurmountable.

It occurs to me that another technical glitch the Alpha presents may have
been more significant -- the Alpha is a 64 bit chip (I assume PowerPC is
32 bits), and there's a lot more code that stumbles over data-*size* problems
than byte-order; the Berkeley networking code will again show lots of examples
where (for example) pointers are laid over no-longer-used structure elements
to avoid having to allocate a pointer structure and copy some data around.
That kind of thing, too, is not insurmountable (having surmounted several
examples myself), but that may have been a more significant factor in
the decision (I hope the Pink system interface is specified at a high-enough
level that it will be able to migrate to 64-bit processors easily).

Or maybe the folks at Apple misheard the name and declared "We do *fruits*,
not *grains*."	:-)
From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: ethernet & appletalk
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:57:52 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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X-XXDate: Tue, 29 Dec 92 09:55:15 GMT

In article <22DEC199214353849@rigel.tamu.edu> Mary Haskett,
mmh2941@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>like to use an ethernet card to connect to the rest of campus and the
>internet sans modem. I have been told that if I install the card, I'll
>have to reboot everytime I switch the network from appletalk to ethernet.
>Surely there is some easier way to do this! Please tell me this is not
>true! Any information will be appreciated.  Thanks.
>Mary Haskett
>Texas A&M University
>E-mail at MMH2941@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU

Now let me see if I can get this right! I run Ethernet and AppleTalk
together nearly all the time. I run MacX, Nuntius, Eudora and all the
other fun stuff over the Ethernet. I use the Appletalk for our server
monitoring and direct LaserWriter access. We have a Gatorbox, so I could
do everything via the Ethernet card. In this case I would switch from
AppleTalk to EtherTalk and I would have to reboot. Many of our Macs here
do not have an AppleTalk socket, EVERYONE has an Ethernet card, so those
without the Appletalk socket run Ethertalk and they can do everything I
can with AppleTalk.

So, if you set up your network CP to LocalTalk-Built In, all applications
wanting to use the AppleTalk protocols will be able to. If you configure
MacTCP and install it, all applications wanting to use Ethernet will be
able to (utilizing the TCP/IP protocol and its cohorts - all the Link
Access Protocol extensions like Token Talk, SLIP, etc, will be able to)

Note that you can configure the MacTCP CP to run over LocalTalk as well,
in this case you do not need an Ethernet card. But to get to a TCP/IP
Ethernet you would need a Gateway connecting your LocalTalk network to
your Ethernet network (like the Cayman GatorBox). This would need to run
a thing called DDP-IP (Datagram Delivery Protocol-Internet Protocol; in
short, a program in the gateway that converts the TCP on LocalTalk to the
TCP on the Ethernet).

Hope this helps. I guess all I needed to say was "Right - it ain't true:
:-)

Happy New Year.

Lawrence
From: Norm.Walker@f1003.n130.z1.ieee.org (Norm Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: (2) 1Mx9 80ns simms, $25.00 each
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:10:31 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:130/1003 - Mac Exchange, Fort Worth TX

I want them.  Send to Norman Walker, 114 Scurlock Ave., Cleburne, TX, 
76031.  Leave message, or call 817-925-4725 and let me know they're
coming.
Thanks,
Norman

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