HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Sources (was Re: Reading news - N is NEXT what?! And - SIGS)
Keywords: source, waffle, uucico
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:03:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: willard.akJuTB2w165w
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

djk@bby.com.au (David James Keegel) writes:

> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> 
> ] I'm one who has purchased the MS-DOS sources.  I don't know how many of us
> ] there are who have done so.  Am I the only one who feels a bit <cheated> in
> ] not getting the sources to the various utilities?  Yes, you read me correct
> ] the source distribution for v1.65 only includes source to WAFFLE, and does
> ] not include source for UUXQT, BATCH, UUCP, nor (most imporantly) does it
> ] include the source for UUCICO.
> 
> ``Doesn't anybody read the docs before posting?''
> 

Yes, I for one do read the docs.  When I say <cheated>, it is with full
knowledge before purchasing, from reading elsewhere in the documents.  In
other words, I knew before I bought the sources what files were included.
And, I'm not gainsaying anything the documents have said about that.  I am
saying that I'd like to have the sources to the other utilities.  Is that so
difficult to comprehend?  Geeze.  Reading is fine.  Comprehension is also fine.

> 
> But having uuxqt, rmail and rnews might be interesting.

Yes.

> -- 
> David Keegel    work: <djk@bby.com.au>    Tel: +61 3 614-8922   Fax: 614-8742
> home:   <djk@boombox.apana.org.au> <werple!tuple!boombox!djk>   Tel: 593-1460


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     I've quit ^^^^ using the registered US domain .waffle.atl.ga.us
     as my mail forwarder has gone to visit Elvis!
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From: jon%vector0.SAC.CA.US@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Syrup and mail problems to me.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:54:27 PST
Organization: Vector Zero


     I appreciate the response I've gotten on my Syrup for Waffle
posting..  that is, the messages which have actually gotten through.
Never register in the .US domain and expect it to work within a
few days!

     Anyway, I'm aware of the problem and, since I'm going to be
away all weekend, it'll be next week before mail will be usable for me.
Never register in the .US domain and expect it to work within a
few days and then leave the city!

     So -- if you've got neat waffle hacks ready to send,
keep them until next week.  Response has been real encouraging!

--Jon

maybe:    PacBell.COM!sactoh0!vector0!jon
or maybe: jon%vector0@sactoh0.sac.ca.us
or, don't get your hopes up: jon@vector0.sac.ca.us
From: blackwlf@blackwlf.gwinnett.com (BlackWolf's Den Sysop)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FOSSIL driver & Windows 3.1
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:45:15 EST
Reply-To: blackwlf@blackwlf.gwinnett.com (BlackWolf's Den Sysop)
Organization: BlackWolf's Den BBS (404)642-9933 v.32bis v.42bis 12-14.4

> Try putting BNU in from the RUN.BAT file which Windows run... It is then
> started when Windows starts the session with Waffle in it.  Or you could
> try it without BNU at all and let Windows handle all of that.  Or you 
> could switch to another OS (I wont go into that one).
> 
> Honestly, when I ran using Windows, I think I ran BNU with the RUN.BAT
> and had Windows run RUN.BAT to start waffle.
> 
> Greg
That's what I do and it works fine....
When I run Qmodem, I have a batch file do "BNU /u" and I
can then do 57,600 on the port... 

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: xfer rates, UUCP g w/o V.42bis (was: hyperdisk, aliases ..)
Keywords: editors uucico cps compression alias mail cancel cc: debug v42bis hyperdisk
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:43:33 GMT

In article <LJPTTB1w164w@wolferts.ka.sub.org> dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org (Dr. Klaus Wolferts) writes:
|Mails aren't compressed but news are normally. With V.42bis disabled you 
|disable the modems to compress mail in order to improve news throughput 
|which will not be compressed again anyway from the V.42bis modems??? 
|
|Or is the turnaround time the critical factor?

If your mail files are smaller than about 1k, then the UUCP handshake time will
dwarf the transfer time, whether the files are compressed or not.

My experience is with two ZyXEL U-1496e's.  The person who originally suggested
to me that disabling v.42bis would help was using a U.S. Robotics Dual Stanadard
to connect to a FastComm v.32bis.

UUCP is pretty dependent on a fast turnaround time to achieve good throughput,
especially if you're stuck at 7/64.  However, I would agree that it's probably
a horsepower problem with my 16.8kbps ZyXEL connection.  The USR is generally
a modem that is thought of as having sufficient horsepower, but I don't know
anything about the FastComm.

I guess my suggestion is to try things with and without v.42bis and see how
it goes.  I'm willing to make mail transfer take 20 seconds longer if it means
that my news transfer takes 2 minutes shorter...

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Assistance with the UNIX side of UUCP linking: Email/news probs
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:22:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.052349.19179@sol.cs.wmich.edu> tugrik@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Tugrik d'Itichi) writes:
>The problem:  Mail will get OUT of the system.  It will not go back in.
>I am *registered* as a .US domain: Thunder-Island.kalamazoo.MI.US.  The
>MX record sends all email to that address to "wiley.cs.wmich.edu", which
>is where it's batched for me to get to.

Ok, mail gets to wiley and is batched for Thunder. Are you sure it is
"batched"? Unless you add extra software, mail is not batched, only
collected.

>Problem.  Wiley doens't know how to translate... mail to @thunder-island.
>kalamazoo.MI.US comes in, and needs to be sent over the uucp link to
>"@Thunder", as Thunder (capitol T) is how Wiley knows my system.  So....
>the mail just collects at Wiley, with nowhere else to go.

Huh? So, just who is it that mail is being "batched" for? This will tell
us alot about the problem. What is the name of the /usr/spool/uucp
directory where things are "batched"?

Next question: has wiley been told in the sendmail.cf file that Thunder
is a local UUCP connection? You might have to add the following lines to
ruleset 0 to force a subsidiary mailer to send stuff to the uucp mailer
instead of passing it to mailhost.

# intercept local uucp names AS LOCAL UUCP NAMES.  JDS 2-21-92
R$+<@$=V>               $#uucp  $@$2 $:$1               user@host
R$+<@$=V.LOCAL>         $#uucp  $@$2 $:$1               user@host
R$+<@$=V.uucp>          $#uucp  $@$2 $:$1               user@host

>Problem #2.... News comes *in* just fine.  Beatufiully, in fact.
>News going OUT.. dies.  Whatever I POST from the waffle board, batches,
>compresses (12 bit, just like the inbound news), sends... and ends up
>as "dead.article" on Wiley, never making it out.  Any suggestions?

Does Thunder (I assume that Thunder calls wiley and logs in with the
silly capitalization) have permissions in the /etc/uucp/Permissions file
to execute rnews?
From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Transferring mails to a newsgroup
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 13:31:08 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

> Mine reports almost 280K free, but the bug is repeatable.  It only
> occurs when sending _mail_ to the alias name.  Posting to that group
> will work just fine.

Posting? Then how do the people who sub to that mailing list via MAIL
get the post? By sending a newsgroup via mail? Kldugeorama!

I tried alot of stuff last night, and nothing worked. I could post as
many times as I wanted from the internal editor to the alias and it
would work fine. But if I used anything else (QEDIT) it wouldnt.

However - what is the difference between the EXTERNAL EDITOR and the
CONSOLE EDITORS. I cant use QEDIT unless I do admin t spooge and set it
that way. If I set EXTERNAL EDITOR in admin t or in status, it wont use
anything but the internal editor.

Could it be the number of file handles open?

We should re-ask the question:

HAS ANYONE HAD SUCCESS at posting to a mailing list gated into a local
newsgroup by MAILING to the ALIAS (| post local.group) from an external
editor?

Test it, dont just say yes. It would be nice if we could get some
coherence! :)

Note that remote users have NO PROBLEMS with this, their mail gets gated
out to all the other remote users, and I get a copy in the local.group.

I just dont get to read my posts in the local.group and neither does
anyone else local.

/kc


Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Wafline 
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 23:38:56 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

> In article <1992Oct28.131818.25272@dorsai.com> crawls@dorsai.com (Charles Raw
> >Dear folks:
> >
> >	On the wafline V2.0,  Will you have a unix version?  Does anyone know
> >of a .qwk mail system available to run under unix?
> 
>  I would like to hear about this too. I'm thinking of making my BBS a
> Linux site but one of the stopping points (most of the others, like
> Fidonet echoes, can be fixed now) is that my users call in and like to
> download their mail in .QWK packets. I can't do that on a Linux (or any
> other *nix system) it seems.
> 
> Wassail,
> Al
> 

A recent post to comp.sources.misc was something called QWK-n-dirty (or
some such).  I suppose it could be hacked into the ol' Wafline beast?
Or perhaps it could totally supplant that animal... on UNIX systems, at
least.

[ 12 line sig deleted for conservation of real network resources ]


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dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
     I've quit ^^^^ using the registered US domain .waffle.atl.ga.us
     as my mail forwarder has gone to visit Elvis!
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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: complaints
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:55:46 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

> From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
> Subject: Re: complaints
> Message-ID: <Z031TB1w165w@sizone.UUCP>
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep) writes:

[flames in response to article 'i00ZTB3w165w@lablues.UUCP']

> Genius solution. Your post was number 653 here. Go read 653 and tell me
> what you see. Sheesh.

What is so idiotic about it?  Maybe *you* thought he meant number 653,
but perhaps he meant 'Message-ID' number...in which case I would have to
say your message, 'Z031TB1w165w@sizone.UUCP' as well as his original
posting, 'i00ZTB3w165w@lablues.UUCP' are quite unique and are very
useful for searching.

In fact, if more people used them when referring to postings, it would
be alot easier to send 'sendme' control messages to retrieve them from
your feed site if they aren't available on your own site.

+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
| Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton     |
| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
| your area, I'll send one in return.  Send to >| Kingston, Ontario  |
| (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA   K7L 1C3   |
+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
From: Steve Frampton <frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Need Windows 3.0 PIF for running Waffle.
Keywords: windows aka windoze waffle 165 dos
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:00:25 EST
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi everyone:

I have been trying to get Waffle to run under Windows 3.0 so that I
could do other things while allowing callers to sign on (instead of
my current "policy" of taking the line off the hook).

I've been having one heck of a time!  Change some settings in the PIF,
run Waffle, HANG!!  Reboot machine, run CHKDSK for 20 minutes to repair
all the FAT damage to my hard drive, reload "Windoze", and repeat ad
nauseum.

I am running Windows 3.0 in enhanced mode.  I want to have Waffle run
in the background, but when I enable this option this is when I seem to
have problems, whether I try to run under full-screen or in a window.
I usually get some kind of warning that the application is suspended
until I run a text or low-res application.  If I switch to Waffle after
confirming this message, this is usually when it HANGS!

However, I have gotten it to work quite nicely as long as I don't set
the "Background execution" option on.  But this is kind of defeating
the purpose of actually *using* Windows -- if I can't run it in the
background then I may as well stick to single-tasking!

Here's what I would like to do:

I have two video monitors, one VGA colour, the other a Hercules mono
(in mono mode).  I would like to execute Waffle in the background and
see the output on the mono.  This way I could always have access to see
what was going on at any time, or I could "turn off the monitor" when a
user was online to give him/her some privacy.  On my other VGA monitor
I would like to run other applications...my Borland C++ compiler as well
as a console for local Waffle use.

I suppose it might be possible that hi-res VGA mode might conflict with
the mono mode (but I don't think it does) but heck, I haven't even been
able to get Waffle working in the background on the normal full-screen.
(I get the warning, and change the display mode with 'Settings' and
when I switch to it I get nothing on the screen but I can see the cursor
move as I type).

Can someone post a PIF they've got working for this configuration?  

Thanks in advance!

+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
| Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton     |
| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
| your area, I'll send one in return.  Send to >| Kingston, Ontario  |
| (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA   K7L 1C3   |
+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
From: dawson@morpheus.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Transferring mails to a newsgroup
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:12:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: morpheus.1992Nov6.211247.28872
Organization: BellSouth Advanced Networks

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>I, too, gate a few lists to news.  And _posting_ works just nifty.
>However (and I just confirmed this by testing), if you send mail to the
>alias name from within Waffle, using an external editor, the body of the
>message is lost.

>Mine reports almost 280K free, but the bug is repeatable.  It only
>occurs when sending _mail_ to the alias name.  Posting to that group
>will work just fine.

I must have missed this.. I've not yet tried mailing to the alias name.
I'll let you know what happens...  I'm sure you must be right, but it'll
add some weight to your comments.

>--
>Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
>  perl -e '$x = 1/20; print "Just my \$$x! (adjusted for inflation)\n"'
>          "Does that not fit in with your plans?"
>                      -- Mr Wiggen, of Ironside and Malone (Monty Python)
-- 
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Atlanta, GA  30342, Voice: +1 404 303 2343, UUCP: gatech!vdbsan!dawson
Internet -> X.400:  /G=W/S=DAWSON/O=BSAN/ADMD=BELLSOUTH/C=US/@sprint.com
Percent hack:  dawson%vdbsan@gatech.edu   ::    Standard disclaimer applies.
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:4002 alt.bbs.waffle:4853
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Port waffle for OS/2 ?
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 14:44:10 EST
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber) writes:

> system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:
> 
> > Lots of people have thought about it but porting WAFFLE isn't the
> > problem. The problem is porting uucico and supporting files since
> > souce isn't available for them. You would have to write your own
> > from scratch.
> 
>   Whoa here.  The source for 100% of Waffle, including uucico and such, is
> available direct from Tom Dell.  At least it is unless he changed his
> policy on releasing source code very recently.  You just have to pay him
> $120.00 for the source you want, either MS-DOS or UNIX and that's all.  In
> fact, the source to the uucico is available FREE.

RTFM.  In particular, read DOS-WAF.AD.  You will find that the list of
sources available for purchase does not include uucico and such.  Why?
Beats me...

> 
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     as my mail forwarder has gone to visit Elvis!
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From: david@csource.oz.au (david nugent)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: File open errors
Keywords: DOS WIN 3.1 SuperPro SHARE
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:34:09 +1100
Reply-To: david@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:

> About once per day my waffle window loses the ability to read selected
> files and directories. Quiting the window and restarting clears the 
> problem. Running waffle by itself, no windows or SHARE, does not help.
> --- errors file ---
> 9-Nov-92 13:46 < rnews >  | rnews: CAN'T OPEN d:/spool/unbatch/batch1, No suc
> 9-Nov-92 13:50 < rnews >  | rnews: CAN'T OPEN d:/spool/unbatch/batch1, No suc
> --- end extract ---


I've seen this sort of thing before, and it would appear to be a bug
in DV.  First, increase the number of file handles available in
CONFIG.SYS - this just might fix it right off.

The problem presents itself whenever any program you run attempts to
open more file handles than are available - not necessarily for the
entire system, but even for the process. It appears that under DV,
that a failure to open the last file actually does result in the file
being open so far as DOS is concerned, and subtracts one from the number
of file handles available system-wide.  What complicates this is that
some software tests for the number of file handles available by
repeatedly opening files until it runs out - so every time it does
that you effectively lose one file handle.  If increasing the FILES=
parameter doesn't work, you'll have to see if you can find out which
particular program does this (so far as I know, Waffle itself doesn't).

Incidently, using DV's /DT switch will fix that particular problem, but
will cause failures in other areas - in particular with anything using
EMS.  If that doesn't affect you, then try /DT.


david



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From: mvdl@et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MODERATING THEM ALL
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:29:32 +0200
Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering

In article <BxA9z4.Eo9@news.orst.edu>, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.230103.342@et.tudelft.nl> mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
>>
>>Unhappily I do NOT get all posted news from other nodes under our subdomain
>>as mail, but the messages pass our system to our feed without my interference.
>>
>>I don't think this is what is meant by 'moderating'. What should I do to be
>>a complete moderator, not only for messages posted on our system, but also
>>for messages that pass our system ?
> 
> You cannot become the moderator for messages that 'pass your system'.
> That is not how moderation works. The only way for you to be the
> moderator of a group is for EVERY system to know that you are the
> moderator. Otherwise, they will enter the article into news instead of
> mailing it to you.

Then what about real-moderated newsgroups ? International newsgroups that 
are moderated ? If one site decides not to mark it as moderated, messages
can get posted anyway... There would be no use in moderating it, because
it's moderation is avoidable....

> 
> Why do you think you should be the moderator for unmoderated groups?

As I wrote: we've had some problems with backfeeding... Our feed has
threathened to disable the autorization for news if we'd continue that.
Before I notify them that the problem is solved (it's locked now temporarily) I
want to be ABSOLUTELY SURE it's solved....

> 
>>Then another thing: is it possible to moderate A NODE instead of a newsgroup ?
>>I want to be e moderator for nodes that joined us and just started to make
>>sure they're doing it all OK, and 'release' them as soon as I know it's OK.
>>Can this be done ?
> 
> Doing WHAT all OK? Look at the first few articles that they post, and if
> they are technically correct, what else is there to make sure about? You
> can probably tell with the very first article if things are set up
> properly, and you can do that by having them post to a group that you
> set up just for that purpose.

Yes, but if other nodes under us make a mistake (or by purpose do something
terrible, WE get cut off, because WE are responsible...). I just want to make
sure that no pollution gets out...

Michel.
From: tomyan@gnct.com (Tom Yan)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: System don't understand domain address
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 13:45:33 GMT
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

My site wants to act as a gateway for a number of local sites.
Unfortunately, some of them don't understand the domain name format and can
only deal with those bangs.

What should I/them do so that they connect to others on the internet ?

Thanks in advance

-Tom
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: rot(13) posting
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:11:25 GMT
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:

-> Is this the only way to post in rot(13)?
-> <<round about method deleted>>

If using the internal editor, probably.
    You might want to think about writing the message
    separately and Rot13 it outside of waffle.  Then
    uploading it.

If using an external editor,
    1)  Write your message
    2)  Save your message, but do not exit editor
    3)  Shell out of editor
    4)  Run a Rot-13 program on message file
           They are trivial (esp for a "14 year old net.comm.genius")
    5)  Exit back into editor
    6)  Read in Rot13'ed file
    7)  Do any further editing
    8)  Save and exit



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