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From: coleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael A. Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: SB MCV for $100!
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:18:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	I just bought a SB pro MCV and so I need to get rid of my original
SB MCV.  I ask $100.  I prefer the buyer be in the San Antonio/Austin area
, or maybe Houston.  It's like the original SB, with 11khZ recording and
22kHZ playback.  Enjoy.

	Michael coleman
	coleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: jmullison@ucsd.edu (Jerry Mullison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Help! ROM-BIOS graphics interrupts on 55sx
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsd.jmullison.29.0
Organization: Scripps Institution of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: drake.ucsd.edu


     First, I apologise if this is not the appropriate group for my 
question. Since it seems to be the only one specifically tailored to the PS/
2 I hope that it can be answered here (I could not find a FAQ for this 
group).
     Now to the problem; I am running a 55sx machine and trying to call 
graphics with packaged interrupt commands (for Lahey f77).  According to 
Andrew Rossman's INFO+ my BIOS is IBM 1981,1988 version released 11/2/88, 
with no extensions.  My active video subsystem is VGA + analog color.
     For a simple test program consisting of commands to draw a line on 
the screen my machine seems to go into some video mode, but without 
drawing to the screen, except for one particular choice of video mode in 
which it illuminates one pixel.  For programs requiring characters on the 
screen it seems to be drawing some and immediately erasing them, leaving a 
blank screen.  In neither case does the machine lock, it returns to DOS 
with an enter exactly as expected.  All test programs work on non PS/2 
machines.
     It is probably obvious to all that I am new to ROM-BIOS and 
any help offered is appreciated (flames cheerfully accepted :-)).  If the 
response is to RTFM please tell me which manual; I honestly do not know.
     Lastly please respond via e-mail, I will post a summary.
     Thanks in advance for any help.  

Jerry Mullison                      jmullison@ucsd.edu
From: dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Danny M Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: AOX MicroMaster
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:41:51 GMT
Reply-To: dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Danny M Lee)
Organization: Columbia University

Still no responses.  Anyone out there who can offer any answers and/or
comments.  Thanks.

>Hi Darius.  Going off on a tangent here.  Have you encountered or foresee
>encountering any difficulties and/or problems in using the AOX MicroMaster
>with the PS/2 MCA computers (I have the 50Z-061)?  As I have posted several
>postings back, I'm considering (even still) purchasing the MicroMaster
>486SX-25 Mhz.  Would you know how such an upgrade would fare against other
>comparable 486 machines?  Say, a model 90 or 95 for example.  Any input
>would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

   ________/----------------------------- 
  / Danny / dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com  /     ____  ____  ____ ____  ____
 / Lee   / dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu   /     ____/ /   / /    /___/ /   /
/_______/----------------------------- /____ /___/ /   / /___ /___  /      1992
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:1617 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:24037 biz.sco.general:3281
From: pratta@rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Prattico)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: IBM PS/2 4MB Simms - are they standard
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:37:13 GMT
	<1992Sep10.123903.15514@husc3.harvard.edu>
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Sep10.123903.15514@husc3.harvard.edu> khoo@husc3.harvard.edu writes:

>   You are wrong.  
>   I happen to have 20 IBM PS/2's and I can tell you the Model 50's, 55's, 60's,
>   65's and the Model 70 E61's use one type of SIMM, the Model 70 A21 another type,
>   and the Model 80's yet another type (actually there are two types for the Model
>   80's, the old type and the new type).   The list goes on, Model 57's, Model
>   90's, Model 30's, etc.
>
>   It's terrible, it's IBM.
>
>   -- 
>   khoo@husc3.harvard.edu      Lawrence Khoo       Computer Consultant
>   khoo@husc9.harvard.edu      (617) 496-8992    Econ. Dept, Harvard U.

Right. I know that they will not fit in a model 25,30, or 60. These each have
four slots for simms and cannot (without modification) accomodate more than
4 meg total. This is another brilliant IBM design feature that costs the user
more money. The four slots come with 256K simms in each, and to upgrade you
must purchase a 1 meg simm to replace this as well as the upgrade. That adds
about $170 if you IBM simms. (I wanted to buy the 4 meg upgrade; IBM wanted
$510 dollars for it.) I got it instead out of an old mod 60.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 09:54:28 EDT
From: Jim Gerlach <GERLACHJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Help! error on bootup "hit F1....."?

Error code 164  Memory Size Error-(Run SETUP); CMOS setting does not match
                memory

After adding memory you have to re-configure your computer. You must boot
the computer with the Model 30 286 refence disk (may be labelled Starter
disk?) that came with the computer, then follow instructions. This disk
is very important, make a backup as instructed.

Hope this helps,

Jim

Jim Gerlach - Cancer Research Laboratories
James.H.Gerlach@QueensU.CA                    Queen's University
GERLACHJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (NetNorth/BITNET)   Room A309A, Botterell Hall
tel (613) 545-6446                            Kingston, Ontario
fax (613) 545-6830                            CANADA  K7L 3N6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: steveh@zentronics.ca (Steve Haller)
Subject: IBM PS/2 4MB Simms - are they standard
Reply-To: Steve Haller <steveh@zentronics.ca>
Organization: Zentronics Head Office, Mississauga, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 21:08:24 GMT

I have had given to me some IBM 4MB Simm modules (Blue box and all)
and I would like to find out if these are industry standard 4 MB simms or
IBM proprietary??.

The box indicates that they are an
   "IBM Personal System/2 4MB Memory Module Kit-70NS"

   A label on the simm itself reads

   IBM    091
   4M 70NS P
   P/N  71F7010
   FRU  92F0105

Does anyone know if these Simms will work in other architectures that
support standard 4MB simms?


Please respond by email and I will post a summary if there is enough interest.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve Haller           steveh@zentronics.ca / uunet.ca!zentron!steveh
Systems Engineer,      Zentronics Toronto,  "Authorized SCO APC"
Tel: (416) 507-2600
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: perelet@avignon.wri.com (Oleg Perelet)
Subject: Opinions needed on  IrisVision MCA cards
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:04:20 GMT

Is anybody using those cards?
What kind of monitor type they are using?
Is the drawing speed same as on PersonalIris (25,35)?
What is programming interface (can i use it from protected mode)?
Thanx.

--
Oleg Perelet
perelet@wri.com
From: drapeauy@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Drapeau Yves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Help needed for defective COM1
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:30:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal


 
The serial port on the motherboard of my IBM PS2 30-286 doesn't work. When I
use a terminal emulator, I can transmit data, but the receive light of my modem
doesn't glow. Nothing appears on the screen. I have checked the cable and the
modem, wich are OK.

I have installed a serial card in a free slot. I must disable the serial port ofthe motherboard from the configuration, using Starter Diskette, to have the COM
port of the serial card to work.

When I do that, an emulation program that initiates the port using Basic 
doesn't work.

Can someone tell me how to deactivate the serial port of the motherboard
without having the other one disappear for Basic? It seems that on my system,
DOS can't see COM2 from a serial card with this emulator, but can with others.
I want to use the serial card as COM1, replacing the defective COM1 of the
motherboard, with Basic recognizing it.
Thanks for any help.
--
Yves Drapeau, Universite de Montreal
Drapeauy@ere.UMontreal.CA
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: Mike Kincer
Subject: For Sale
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 13:54:34 GMT
Reply-To: Mike Kincer
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR SALE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

     1 M-Motion Video Adapter/A      $800
       For all Microchannel PS/2's

     1 286 Memory Expansion Adapter  $75
       with 2 Meg RAM for PS/2 50 & 60.

     1 Cyrix 387SX-16 Math coprocessor  $60

     All in perfect working condition.

reply via E-Mail to:
        kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
or by phone:
        (607) 751-3882 work
        (607) 687-9671 home

Mike                              __  __o         / "Everythin's IMHO,
Kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com       __   \<,        /    irrespective of my
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ______()/ ()______/      employer's"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: Me
Subject: AOX MicroMaster (Was: Re: Software and UART for PS/2-50 & -70?)
Reply-To: Me
Organization: Me
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:24:30 GMT

Darius Vaskelis writes:

>While I have not tried it on every PS/2 model, I have not run across any
>that can't do 57.6Kbps on the integrated serial port.  As an example,
>this is being typed in a DOS TCP/IP SLIP session on a 56.7Kbps locked DTE
>rate... on a PS/2 Model 50-021 that was upgraded with an Aox MicroMASTER
>486-33MHz.  The software is running in an OS/2 2.0 DOS session and it

Hi Darius.  Going off on a tangent here.  Have you encountered or foresee
encountering any difficulties and/or problems in using the AOX MicroMaster
with the PS/2 MCA computers (I have the 50Z-061)?  As I have posted several
postings back, I'm considering (even still) purchasing the MicroMaster
486SX-25 Mhz.  Would you know how such an upgrade would fare against other
comparable 486 machines?  Say, a model 90 or 95 for example.  Any input
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

>is fully buffering the serial port so I'm not losing any characters.
>(OS/2 fully supports extended hardware buffering on my platform which has
>an integrated NS16550 which does not normally have FIFO mode enabled!)

   ________/----------------------------- 
  / Danny / dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com  /     ____  ____  ____ ____  ____
 / Lee   / dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu   /     ____/ /   / /    /___/ /   /
/_______/----------------------------- /____ /___/ /   / /___ /___  /      1992
From: djackson@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 slc upgrade
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: djackson@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Jackson)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA.11@>,
BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA@ (Donald W. Back) writes:
|> IBM states they will be releasing the 486SLC clock doubled
|> chip in the
|> 4th quarter of 92. They are currently running a promo on
|> the 386SLC 
|> containing computers offerring a 259 ($299 canadian)
|> upgrade on the CPU. The 
|> offer expires OCT 1.
|> Does any one know if OCT 1 will see release of the Chip
|> upgrade?
|> Will IBM run a chip swap deal or just sell you the new
|> chip, you keep the 
|> old 386SLC?
|> 
The 386SLC is soldered into the 56/57 SLC machines, so I
doubt you could send
it back to IBM !!. (Or at least it's soldered into my 56SLC)

Incidentally the 486SLC will retail for #639 + tax in the UK
- that's around
$1200 + tax (which is 17.5%). I don't think I'll be following
up on my original
intention to get this (I had expected $259 to translate to
around #250, not
over twice as much).  :-(

(That's the chip, not the PS/2 which will be $1200 !)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: pratta@rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Prattico)
Subject: Re: PS/2 Losing information?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:29:59 GMT

Now that I've had a chance to look it up, 1782 is defined as Fixed Disk
Controller Error.Again, check and see that the cards and drives are properly
aligned and seated. If they do need to be repaired/replaced, your best bet is
to buy new drives and controllers. IBM parts are very, incredibly expensive.
(See my other post about 4 1meg simms for $510+tax)

-Anthony
From: pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 slc upgrade
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:30:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
Originator: pr@fnord.umiacs.umd.edu


In article <BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA.11@>, BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA@ (Donald W. Back) writes:
|> IBM states they will be releasing the 486SLC clock doubled chip in the
|> 4th quarter of 92. They are currently running a promo on the 386SLC 
|> containing computers offerring a 259 ($299 canadian) upgrade on the CPU. The 
|> offer expires OCT 1.
|> Does any one know if OCT 1 will see release of the Chip upgrade?
|> Will IBM run a chip swap deal or just sell you the new chip, you keep the 
|> old 386SLC?
|> 
|> Don Back

As far as I know you probably won't see the chip in October 92.  The upgrade pamphlet states 
that the chip is pending FCC approval.  Also they will sell you the new chip.  You get to keep
the 386SLC.

Jesus M. Rodriguez
pr@umiacs.umd.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 14:35:24 CDT
From: Darius Vaskelis <U54345@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Software and UART for PS/2-50 & -70?

>This was recently answered for model 80s, but what about
>for other models? [...]

Since your subject line refers to the PS/2 Models 50 and 70:

PS/2 Model 50/50Z: (8550-xxx)

 -021:
 NS16550 (FIFO mode not normally enabled)

 -031, -061:
 NS16550A (FIFO mode not normally enabled)

PS/2 Model 70-386/70-486: (8570-xxx)

 -E61, -061, -081, -121, -161, -B61, -B21:
 NS16550A

 -A61, -A81, -A21, -A61:
 NS16550

While I have not tried it on every PS/2 model, I have not run across any
that can't do 57.6Kbps on the integrated serial port.  As an example,
this is being typed in a DOS TCP/IP SLIP session on a 56.7Kbps locked DTE
rate... on a PS/2 Model 50-021 that was upgraded with an Aox MicroMASTER
486-33MHz.  The software is running in an OS/2 2.0 DOS session and it
is fully buffering the serial port so I'm not losing any characters.
(OS/2 fully supports extended hardware buffering on my platform which has
an integrated NS16550 which does not normally have FIFO mode enabled!)

>Also, which pc comm programs now support the 16550AFN?

Most of the popular ones do, andany DOS communications program can take
advantage of the FIFO mode if running under OS/2 2.0.

- Darius
I do not speak for IBM Corp.
--
Darius Vaskelis (IBM Marketing/Technical Support)
University of Illinois Account Team
One IBM Plaza  15-KC9                    Telephone: (312) 245-3532
Chicago, IL 60611                         Internet: U54345@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein)
Subject: Re: Problems with IBM Laptop and serial ports
Reply-To: jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:40:42 GMT


Does anyone know what UART is used in the laptops? Are they the 8250 or 16550's?
--
jeff finkelstein                | disclaimer:
digital equipment corporation   |   A horse is a horse, of course, of course.
jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com         |
From: wilsonm@watserv.ucr.edu (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: PS/2 Losing information?
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:04:11 GMT

We have a lab with PS/2 model 50Z systems.

Upon booting it comes up with a 1782 error code message.
Using the reference disk to re-establish the setups, the machine
would function fine until the unit was turned off overnight.
The problem then migrated to 2 other machines.

Checking for virus's there were none.
I purchased new CMOS batteries and installed them.
Now get this...  After pulling out the batteries and re-installing them
the machine booted up fine with no errors.

The machine was turned off and is now coming up with the all to familiar
1782 error message.  I have 3 machines doing the exact same thing.

Any suggestions??  HELP!
From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Problems with IBM Laptop and serial ports
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:18:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein) writes:


>Does anyone know what UART is used in the laptops? Are they the 8250 or 16550's?
>--
>jeff finkelstein                | disclaimer:
>digital equipment corporation   |   A horse is a horse, of course, of course.
>jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com         |   

According to IBM PS/2 Assistant, the L40 uses the NS16450 (yes, 450) UART,
having a maximum speed through the serial port at 19200 b/s.

Christian
-- 
M. Christian Holmgreen / joker@diku.dk / mochmch@uts.uni-c.dk
student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science
"Human errors can only be avoided if one can avoid the use of humans"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: UART in L40SX
From: Johannes M. van Veen <V73UVEEN@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 14:33:11 CET
 5CC1BE.MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu><1992Sep10.154042.7482@decuac.dec.com>
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

The L40SX has a 8250 UART according to microsofts' diagnosis software MSD.
I asked someone at IBM whether it could be replaced, but the answer is unclear.
Does anyone know?
Johannes van Veen.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: cosc16to@menudo.uh.edu (Andy Hakim)
Subject: Re: Problems with IBM Laptop and serial ports
Organization: University of Houston
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:36:17 GMT

jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein) writes:
: 
: I have some programs that I have written that contain their own serial 
: port interrupt routines. The code works fine on every system I have
: tried it on except for the IBM PS/2 Model L40X (I got the model number 

Well, a friend just purchased the L40sx laptop and there there some
major problems using certain mice with it.  He bought a generic clone
serial mouse (a NewIdea Beetle Mouse) and while the mouse driver
loads ok (it detects a ms compatible mouse) there is no movement.
Then he tried a Genius serial mouse, on which there was no
vertical movement.  The ONLY mouse which has worked is a Microsoft
"PS/2 Compatible Serial Mouse". 

The strange part is that all these mice work fine on other computers,
including other laptops we've tried.   What's so special about
the L40's serial port?  (obviously there is nothing wrong with the
port since the MS mouse works fine)... 

-andy
cosc16to@menudo.uh.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: IBM PS/2 4MB Simms - are they standard
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:11:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

khoo@husc3.harvard.edu writes:

>I happen to have 20 IBM PS/2's and I can tell you the Model 50's, 55's, 60's,
>65's and the Model 70 E61's use one type of SIMM, the Model 70 A21 another type,
>and the Model 80's yet another type (actually there are two types for the Model
>80's, the old type and the new type).   The list goes on, Model 57's, Model
>90's, Model 30's, etc.

>It's terrible, it's IBM.

Yeah, don't we just all love it ???   (Just couldn't resist ;-)

Christian
-- 
M. Christian Holmgreen / joker@diku.dk / mochmch@uts.uni-c.dk
student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science
"Human errors can only be avoided if one can avoid the use of humans"
From: MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: Problems with IBM Laptop and serial ports
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:08:13 GMT
Organization: CARD

In article <1992Sep2.133549.20979@decuac.dec.com>                               
jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein) writes:                              
                                                                                
>                                                                               
>I have some programs that I have written that contain their own serial         
>port interrupt routines. The code works fine on every system I have            
>tried it on except for the IBM PS/2 Model L40X (I got the model number         
>from a customer.) Can anyone shed some light on why this particular system     
>may be a problem? Further information: The cable I use is home-grown and       
>only uses TX,RX,and GND, I do not currenty have CTS and RTS wired. Could       
>this be the problem?                                                           
>                                                                               
>All suggestions welcome.                                                       
>--                                                                             
>jeff finkelstein                | disclaimer:                                  
>digital equipment corporation   |   A horse is a horse, of course, of course.  
>jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com         |                                              
>                                                                               
You might want to run the machines setup or Reference Disk and make sure COM1 i 
s turned on.                                                                    
Mike Long                                                                       
Iowa State University
From: terra@diku.dk (Morten Welinder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 slc upgrade
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:08:38 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA@ (Donald W. Back) writes:

>IBM states they will be releasing the 486SLC clock doubled chip in the
>4th quarter of 92....

Here in Denmark the 486slc is advertised with something like

	the 16-bit bus of the 486slc compared to the 32-bit bus of
	other 486s is the reason that the 486slc is so fast.

The advertising is not done by IBM itself, of course. People here
at the University of Copenhagen are having great fun reading stuff
like this.

Morten Welinder
terra@diku.dk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: lewis@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Lewis Getschel)
Subject: Re: model 60 upgrade
Summary: upgrades FAQ
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.1150.1406@channel1> "mark kloongian" <mark.kloongian@channel1.com> writes:
>           Can anyone please tell me if I can possibly upgrade my
>PS/2 Model 60 from a 286 to 386? If so what is the procedure to do so?
>Your assistance  on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

The 286 based line of PS/2's can be easily upgraded to 386SX. Check for
the FAQ list that I'll get out in a day or so.


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