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From: debrm@iastate.edu (D Reed-Margetan)
Subject: Torvill & Dean tour
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: rec.skate
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:07:59 GMT

To: bdangelo@opal.tufts.edu
Subject: Re: Torvill & Dean
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <29DEC199208472751@opal.tufts.edu> you write:
>I recently heard a rumor that Torvill and Dean are touring.  Does anyone
>know if that's true and if so have a list of cities & dates?  Thanks in
>advance.
>
>Barbara D'Angelo
>bdangelo@opal.tufts.edu 

Torvill and Dean will be appearing in the 1993 Tour of World Figure Skating
Champions.  The cast tentatively includes:

             Brian Boitano, Viktor Petrenko, Petr Barna,
             Mark Mitchell, Todd Eldridge

             Nancy Kerrigan, Jill Trenary, Tonya Harding

             Tai Babilonia & Randy Gardner
             Calla Urbanski & Rocky Marval
             Natalia Mishkutienok & Artur Dmitriev
             Radka Kovarikova & Rene Novotny

             Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean
             Isabelle & Paul Duchesney 
             Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko
             Maia Usova & Alexandr Zhulin
 
The tour starts at the end of the competitive season (i.e., after Worlds)
Presumably the tour will be joined by the new U.S. and World medalists.
I haven't seen any lists of cities and performing dates yet but I'll be
on the lookout.

Deborah Reed
debrm@vincent.iastate.edu


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From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Organization: Adobe Systems Inc., Mountain View, California, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:12:39 GMT

In article <BzHJMM.D21@iat.holonet.net> kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:
>So an accurate ratio would be a fairly personal thing, depending on in what
>shape your skating muscles are verses your cardiovascular system.
>
>But just to guess, a very good skater can skate a 50K (31 miles) in 1.5 hours.
>A good runner could probably run the same distance in 2.5 hours.  So perhaps a
>good multiplier for a good skater is around .6 skating miles/running miles.

Unlikely. A marathon is only ~26 miles and the best time is slightly
under 2:07. You would have to be the best long-distance runner in the
world to run 31 miles in 2:30.

Also, the amount of time and energy expended doing one sport does not
always neatly translate to the next. For example, in cycling, the
rough measure is that one running mile is equal to 4 cycling miles
(i.e. a marathon is equal to a century). However, the ratio of time
expenditure is not 1:4, but more like 1:3 or 1:2.5.

As a side note, skating, like cycling, lends itself to "cheating."
Unlike running, you can "coast" while skating. It takes constant
mental discipline to ensure that you are skating at a level that
provides a minimum aerobic workout. With running, as long as you only
have one foot on the ground at a time, you almost ensure yourself of
an aeorbic workout.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
From: mstieb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Stieb)
Subject: Re: Wheel lore
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:25:47 GMT


I spent 7 years in roller speed skating and we used many different
durometer wheels.  I used to have about seven sets of wheels that i would
mix or run a straight set of a single durometer.
  On the best floors, a wooden rotunda or log cabin design normally you
would use a 97a exclusivly.  On concrete floors, coated with rink grip and
a top layer of roll-on you may use a 96 or 96.5.  
  Most of the time during a meet the temperature and humidity were
controlled as much as possible.  The fastest times could be expected from
higher temps and high humidity when the hardest wheel possible was used. 
The whole point for this was to get the maximum grip coupled with the
maximum roll(least resistance).  It usually felt like you were skating in
the tropics when it was 30 degrees outside.
  As a note, it was required by the governing body to put down that
roll-on on top of the skating surface.  Roll- on was one part epoxy mixed
with other stuff.  It was very fast and it gripped like no other surface
that I can think of.  It smelled like fresh paint even after the
obligatory three-four day curing process.  And, if you should happen to
fall at twenty miles and hour on it you were mangled by it.  If you have
ever slid across a new basketball court you don't know half of the pain. 
This stuff would just grab your skin and throw you when your top layer of
skin broke free.  A very sickening sound it was.....eeek...thump .. eeeek..
.eek..thump about ten times faster than you can read it.  Relax, it would
only make that sound until you lost all of your velocity and your lycra
was burned into your skin.

Michael Stieb
Stieb@outlaw.uwyo.edu
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: ROLLER-BRAKE Survey Results & Continued...
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:42:17 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <STXTNT.92Dec22102934@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov> stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng) writes:

>>One other comment about ABS: I'd be happier of *everybody* took a half-day
>>ice driving course than if *everybody* had ABS. We'd be better off if
>>everyone knew the limits of their vehicles and drove accordingly -- if they
>>drove in such a way that they didn't *need* to use the stopping power of an
>>ABS. After all, it doesn't do you a whole heck of a lot of good if *you* can
>>stop but the driver behind you can't. ABS won't help if you're not alert.
>
>Maybe the example isn't that bad you know.  It should be easy to teach
>anyone with ABS how to threshold brake on a vehicle equipped with ABS.
>You apply brakes hard enough to activate the ABS system and then ease
>off until it stops pulsing.  At that point you should be applying the
>maximum braking force without locking wheels...ie threshold braking.

You have made an assumption about using threshold braking that simply may not
be true. I'd guess that anyone who is skilled at threshold braking would not
want ABS on their cars -- it adds weight and it's doing a function that the
driver is better at doing.

One other comment: if you're not going to use threshold braking (and nobody
should, unless they're highly trained) and you're in a car equipped with ABS,
you should *use* the ABS -- hit the brakes hard -- when you need to stop
quickly. Lots of people don't do this: they apply their ABS brakes timidly
on snow, even when they need to stop quickly.

This is another example of technology being no substitute for skills.

>Somehow I really doubt you can get as much braking power from braking
>a single wheel (or two) as you can from heel brakes.  The amount of
>pressure you can get from heel brakes can be tremendous.  He's been
>rather vague on just how the system might work (understandably :) but
>unless you can put the majority of your weight on the brake (or have a
>much larger contact patch) it shouldn't work as well.  If it is much
>easier to use (a la ABS) it may be useful though...assuming it has no
>undesired failure modes :).

I'm just wondering where the energy is supposed to go. If braking force is
achieved by wearing away wheel material, then I'm unimpressed: wheels cost
more than brakes. If the kinetic energy is translated into heat, I'm
interested in how easy it'll be to exceed the thermal limits of the braking
system.

I-70 from Vail Pass to Vail has runaway truck runouts. Unfortunately, the
bike path does not have runaway bike/skater runouts.

>Either way...fast braking will require the user to have good fore-aft balance
>(as you mentioned).  If you have that you can probably heel brake...

You betcha. It'll be interesting to see how beginners cope with the system.

>Nigel Tzeng

--phil
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From: tomg@cc.gatech.edu (Tom Gale)
Subject: What diameter wheels fit TRS frames?
Reply-To: tomg@cc.gatech.edu (Tom Gale)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:50:02 GMT

Can someone please tell me what range of wheel diameters fit a
standard TRS frame/brake system?  I need to buy new wheels and would
like to go to a higher diameter wheel from the 70mm which came with
the blades.

Thanks,
T.G.


					
					-Tom Gale (tomg@cc.gatech.edu)
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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:36:00 GMT

------
   
Not that it really matters, but....  :^)

Well over 50% of the men in ice shows are gay - at least from
my experience as a straight male skater in both the "Ice Capades",
and "Celebration on Ice" (I was outnumbered 7-1 in "Celebration").

The reason for this is fairly obvious to me.  Simply, in this
line of work, people are more accepted as to who they are, than 
throughout the rest of society, where much more is made
about our differences and our sexual preferences. The cast
and crews of these shows are like family, and everyone is accepted
and appreciated, and we all learn to live together.  It was one of
the best experiences of my life.

Now, I don't think that there are more gays in competitive or 
recreational skating than throughout the general population, or that
there is any link between enjoying skating and being gay.  I just 
think that more gays might choose to stay with it and make it a career
professionally, because of the acceptance and community that
exists in skating (or maybe I should say the arts?).  

It's sort of sad that we seem to care so much about this
(and I debated whether I ought to post this at all, but
this is what its all about - sharing our experiences...)

Cam

PS - I know of 2 lesser known show skaters who have died of AIDS.  
     I was also priviledged to have skated with Brian Pockar in 
     "Celebration" - and he died about a year ago.  He was a 
     really nice guy, and a tremendous talent, and is missed
     by many.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: wanted
From: hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:38:21 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Hello,

I am looking for a synthetic iceskating on which it is possible to skate. I am
located in Wichita, KS, and nobody can help me even with a name of the
constructor. 
Thanks for any help.

Francoise.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko)
Subject: Re: Yamaguchi's and Boitano's boots and blades
Reply-To: blenko-tom@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:18:45 GMT


| Gold Seal blades are also tapered, making them harder to sharpen 
| reliably, according to some folks who sharpen skates around here.
| They mentioned that they like the Vantage blade because it is not
| tapered but straight and flat.  I believe with the tapered blades  
they 
| have to continually adjust the equipment as they sharpen, while one  
setting
| will do for blades with straight sides.

They're not tapered front-to-back, they're tapered blade-to-boot.  
This means that some sharpening equipment has problems maintaining a  
bite on the blade as the stone moves front-to-back.

	Tom
From: timh@meaddata.com (Tim Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re. pulled muscle
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:20:24 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.meaddata.com

>While skating, I pulled a muscle in the back of my upper thigh.  This
>happen 4 months ago, but it is still bothering me.  Has anyone had this
>happen and if so how did you get rid of it?
>
>Tim
>timh@meaddata.com

The following are responses I got from the above inquiry.

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:33:26 -0500
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)

To pull any muscle means the force you exerted on it was greater than
its inherent strength. This causes muscle fibers to tear.

The only treatment is rest. Rehabilation doesn't begin, until after you
are able to exert the muscle without pain. At that point, you
begin strength training with very light weights doing leg curls, leg
presses, etc, gradually increasing the resistance, provided there is no pain.

The goal of rehabilation is to strengthen the muscle to a level that can
accommodate any force, since force is the cause of tearing in the first place.

I suspect you've been trying to exercise, ignoring the pain, which
explains the delay of healing. The muscle fibers that are not injured
must assume a greater role to compensate for those that are injured,
which increases the risk of further injury. In other words, the
time for healing may become indefinite.

You have to forego any physical activity that contributes to the pain,
even if it means finding an alternate sport. Otherwise, you risk
permanent disability.


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Date: Wed Dec 23 08:52:01 1992
From gcoleman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 

I have found that amputation is by fair the fastest relief method by some times
phatom feelings persist long after the limb is gone....

The thing I do when I get a skiting injury is strech, often.  This help you 
feel good and keeps you from re-injuring it.  Also, eat right.  Sleep good ect 
so you bodies healing processes work at thier peek.  If this still doesn't help
and you want to see a doctor go to sports medicine.  Those guys look at your 
body a a machine that needs to be fixed and returned to running condition.  
Ortopiedist, ect have a wierd way of doing business.  They take x-rays.  Tell 
you to rest and if it doesn't get better use a cane- (thanks a lot doc, you 
pinhead)

Ed Coleman

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From: hoyes@rock.concert.net (Michael E Hoyes -- Personal Account)
Subject: Re: wanted
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:27:25 GMT

In article <lk2brnINNftv@news.bbn.com> ado@bbn.com (Buz Owen) writes:
>mark@sdd.hp.com (Mark Overton) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec24.183821.599@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>>|> Hello,
>>|> 
>>|> I am looking for a synthetic iceskating on which it is possible to skate.
>>|> [...]
>>|> Francoise.
>
>>Are you referring to synthetic material which simulates the skating properties
>>of ice?  I've never heard of any such thing.  Rink-owners in hot climates
>>such as here in Southern California might be interested in it.
>
>>The closest thing I know of to ice-skating is in-line skating (which is not
>>real close, BTW).
>
>>- Mark Overton,  mark@sdd.hp.com
>
>There really is such a substance.  Unfortunately, I cannot supply
>chemical formula or source.  A serious potential rink operator could
>probably track it down it by getting in touch with a rink equipment
>supplier.  (Or try calling NBC, see below.)  I can offer the following
>anecdotes.

The substance you are refering to is basically silcon coated plastic.  It
does not really behave like ice (harder to push on, can not do toe jumps)
and is terrible for your blades (I skated on some for about 15 minutes and had 
to have my skates sharpened again, they were duller than rental skates :-)

Mike Hoyes - hoyes@rock.concert.net
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From: rlai@pomona.claremont.edu (Mac Crusader)
Subject: Re: In-line skate terminology
Organization: Pomona College
Distribution: na
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:01:11 PST

      In regards to shielded and unshielded bearings, are the bearings that
      come standard with Rollerblades shielded or unshielded?

      Roger
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: helmets/lids
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:01:57 GMT

Okay, I got a new pair of rollerblades for the recent National Mall Day
festivities and it appears I need to get a helmet. 

Is there a specific type that I should be looking at?
is $50-70 a reasonable price to pay for a good lid? More? Less?
The BladeLid looks kind of cool, but its a tad expensive...


I'd prefer less if I could get away with it, 'cause I'm kind of broke right
now, but I'd rather spend the cash on something right as opposed to the wrong,
but cheap, thing.

----Steve
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From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:21:05 GMT

   In article <1992Dec22.145819.20408@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
   >In article <1992Dec21.183600.19707@medtron.medtronic.com> ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas) writes:
   >>------
   >>   
   >>Well over 50% of the men in ice shows are gay - at least from
   >>my experience as a straight male skater in both the "Ice Capades",
   >>and "Celebration on Ice" (I was outnumbered 7-1 in "Celebration").
   >
   >
   >If this were true, then why do ice skaters involved in paired dance
   >competition always occur as a man and a woman? You never see two
   >men skating together in paired dance competition.

Because the Rulebook of the United States Figure Skating Association states 
that "A dance couple shall consist of a Lady and a Man".
 
   >
   >Also, I suspect that spending some quality time in the bedroom is a
   >necessary prerequisite for paired skaters to dance well together. It
   >ensures both their bodies and personalities are in synch, since their
   >sport involves touching each other all day.

I hope you were joking when you typed the above sentences.  In most of the
competitive couples I have known, a romantic relationship outside the
skating partnership is detrimental to both skating and romance.  Russian
couples seem to be able to marry their partners and work well together, 
Americans usually don't (based on my observations).
   >
   >Why would a man who is gay choose a sport that required him to skate with
   >an attractive woman several hours per day? In other words, I suspect there
   >are fewer gays in paired dance competition than in other forms of ice figure
   >skating.

Not necessarily, but who cares, partners are chosen for their SKATING ability.
From: harbour@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Susan Harbour)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: World Artistic Roller Skating Championships
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:57:42 GMT
Organization: Sanders Associates


	I don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but I understand
that the World Artistic Roller Skating Championship, (originally
televised on the Sports Channel,) is going to be rebroadcast in the
next week or so. (I think it's the 26th, but it could be the 29th.)

	If you are into artistic roller skating, or still have doubts about
Artistic Roller Skating vs. Ice Skating, try to catch this.

	As with most TV coverage, only the top four or five finishers are 
actually shown. However, it's worth watching or tape even if only for the
men's singles (which is the best of the lot, IMHO). The guys
who wind up first and second (Heath Medeiros and Jayson Sutcliffe, 
respectively) delivered wonderful performances.

	The pairs competition wasn't so hot (IMHO). But the free dance
was very nice, and is certainly enough to put to rest the myth that roller
skating is "clumsy" in comparison to ice.

	Unfortunately the ladies singles event was pretty bad. The winner
was okay, and at least skated "clean". The third place finisher (April Dayney)
fell at least three times (possibly four), and didn't really skate that
great in between. It was really kind of a sad event.

	Nevertheless, it is worth watching (or taping), and clearly shows
that artistic roller skating can be as exciting and graceful to watch ice
skating. 

	Sue

  	(Your mileage may vary.....)
From: wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:08:45 GMT
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
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George B. Clark (georgec@eng.umd.edu) wrote:
: If this were true, then why do ice skaters involved in paired dance
: competition always occur as a man and a woman? You never see two
: men skating together in paired dance competition.
: 
: Also, I suspect that spending some quality time in the bedroom is a
: necessary prerequisite for paired skaters to dance well together. It
: ensures both their bodies and personalities are in synch, since their
: sport involves touching each other all day.
: 
: Why would a man who is gay choose a sport that required him to skate with
: an attractive woman several hours per day? In other words, I suspect there
: are fewer gays in paired dance competition than in other forms of ice figure
: skating.

	I find your chauvinistic point of view very disturbing!  I know
a number of pair and dance partners who have been skating together for quite
a while and are happily married -- to other people.  To imply that skating
together requires that they  also be having sex with one another is stupid.
An excellent example is Barbara Underhill and Paul Martini.  Anyone who has
seen them skate knows that they really heat up the ice.  However, they
are happily married to others.  In fact, Barbara just recently (Oct) gave
birth to twins (if I remember correctly).  Also, are you implying that the
skating pair of Kitty and Peter Carruthers (one of best US pairs on the 
pro circuit), are sexually involved with each other -- since they are
brother and sister, that would imply you are suggesting incest.
	As far as why pairs are always a man and a woman, figure skating
is no different than the rest of society.  Tradition is important.
	As far as the percentage of gays, your last paragraph suggests
that gay men are women haters (otherwise, why would they want to be
around them).  This is total nonsense.  Of the gays I know, they don't
hate women, they just find men sexually attractive.  Assuming you are
hetero, does your sexual preference make you hate being around other
men?  Have you never played baseball, basketball, football, or hockey,
where you have to come in close contact with men?
	In closing, please grow up.

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From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Surya Bonaly
Date: 2 Jan 1993 19:04:26 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Distribution: rec
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Anybody else see Surya Bonaly in the NHK competition on TV this afternoon?
She really has improved since last year.  Her carriage is much better and
she seems to have figured out what to do with her arms and how to make use
of her music.  She still has a way to go, though -- I noticed that she
still has problems making the choreography flow into the technical
elements, and with some awkward body positions.

BTW, next weekend TNT will be showing the men's competition from Trophee
Lalique (which was won by Mark Mitchell).

-Sandra