HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chitoor@dwalin.cis.udel.edu (Srikrishnan R. Chitoor)
Subject: Re: *******, you have to produce better evidence.
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:52:50 GMT

In article <1ibu5rINN618@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
[...]
>
>For starters you might want to get that guy in Finland to disclose the
>identity of an3925 on the net. I have tried to reason with him to let
>that cloak of anonymity fall, but to no avail. Failing that, mailer
>daemon records from my account should indicate if any mail was sent from
>the gateway at USC to the server in Finland, especially around the date 
>and time that these articles appeared on SCI. You will have to contact
>my systems administartor for that. Thirdly, it is also possible for
>you to contact the systems administrators at the various sites through
>which my message must have travelled before reaching Finland. Remember that
>the message was un-anonymized at that point and a systems admin. at any
>of these nodes can tell you where it originated.

Instead of going thru' all this, there is an easier way of showing that
someone did not produce the post. If the accused person posts
using the anonymous service, the person will get an user account which will
be his/her remain for lifetime. Just by pointing out that the number
of the user account is different from the number on the offensive
posts, the person would have proved that (s)he did not make the posts.
   Ofcourse, I am not asking you to do that, it is just that this way
is more practical than asking the system administrator for your
mails. The above in general applies to anyone who wants to prove 
innocence.

[...]

-Krishna.
Opinions are mine.
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From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: quran and modern science
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date:  5 JAN 93 08:56:05    


In article <1iaau6INNc5h@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes...
>rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
> 
> 
>SAROJINI NAIDU SAYS:
> 
>	"Sence of justice is one of the most wonderful ideals of Islam, because
>as I read in the Quran I find those dynamic principles of life,not mystic but
>practical ethics for the daily conduct of life suited to the whole world."
> ( Lecture on " the ideals of Islam vide speaches and writings of Sarojini
>	Naidu, Madras,1918,p.167.sarojini naidu)

	Well, does this 'certification' by a non-Muslim validate your point?
	I am amazed as to how people justify the claims by quoting from people 
	not belonging to their faith. My appreciating Sadam Hussein or of
	a close friend of Bush, does not establish the credibility of Sadam.
	I might have my own reasons for appreciating Sadam which might just be
	a temporal factor.

	Please do not interpolate or extrapolate anything based on what I
	said above because I am not following this thread of discussion 
	on "quran and modern science". However, I would like to remind you
	that Arabs got it, whatever science they have in Quran, from India.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: CHANGE OF JOB WHILE ON H1??
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:32:07 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


Hi Visa gurus,

If someone wants to change a job while on H1, does he/she has to
go thru entire H1 process once again ? If the job is in the same
field, does it require labour approval once again?

Thanks in advance

TD
From: kasim@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Abdul Kasim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Sarmad/Arshad Vali
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:24:05 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu


Hi!
	I'd appreciate any info. on the whereabouts (& if possible, a tel.no)
of Sarmad/Arshad Vali; 


Thank You !


--
Abdul Kasim
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Death toll mounts to 264 in sectarian rioting in western India
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:30:43 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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[The news in this from a UPI report dated 12 Jan 93 07:38:14 GMT, and is 
probably a mid-day report on Tuesday from Bombay. Due to copyright protection
of the original, I can't post the full report. Comments in square brackets
are mine.]


At least 12 people killed in Army and police shootings in Bombay, raising the
Bombay total to 201 [I guess Ahmedabad makes up the rest of the 264]. Gunbattles
reported between police and rioters in at least 2 areas of the city. In Mohammed
Ali road, the police said that they were fired on again [as they were last week].

Thousands of people fleeing the city, but rioters defying curfew orders are still
fighting with the police, and are armed with firebombs, iron rods and bamboo
staves [lathis?].

Authorities also reported that intra-Hindu sectarian fighting had flared up, with
"... militant Marathi-speaking natives attacking  settlers from southern India."
Jayalalitha has appealed to "...federal and local authorities" to "... protect
Tamil-speaking Hindus living in Bombay." [A previous post by Sudhama G. said that
the people under attack were the Muslims in Dharavi, and their being Tamil was
a coincidence. Anyway, I wonder why she didn't ask for ALL Tamils to be protected
if they were being targeted by the Shiv Sainiks; maybe an oversight, or maybe
the reporter assumed so.]

Police are blaming street gangs for the spreading violence [I guess that means
that the original violence had roots in other things]. Thousands of Army and
paramilitary troops have arrived in the city. In Ahmedabad, described as India's
textile-industry center, Muslim-Hindu fighting continued unabated. Several people
stabbed.

Muslim politicians have demanded dismissal of the State govts. in both states
(Maharashthra and Gujarat) for failing to prevent a breakdown in law and order.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish)
Subject: Riots in Mumbai
Organization: University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:30:41 GMT


The discussion on Mumbai riots has been going on for a few days in
this forum. Netters are trying to evaluate who is behind this violence
and conspiracy theories are being presented! The one by Parthasarathy
was absolutely humorous!

Anyway, here is what I think:

The trouble in Mumbai started on December 1, before the removal of the
disputed structure in Ayodhya. The Deputy Municipal Commissioner (DMC), Shri
Khairnar was accused of blasphemy! Why? Because he razed some illegally
constructed shops and Muslims in that area claimed that 'Quran' was
kept in one of the shops. The situation became tense and Muslims demanded
an enquiry in this matter. I don't know about the outcome of this enquiry.
Netters from Mumbai may be remembering the Chembur riots last year, which
started after DMC removed unauthorised platform built for a Peer or something
like that.

The Muslims were angry because of DMC's actions. The Ayodhya incident,
of course, came in handy. Two police constables were beaten by angry
Muslim mobs. The police retaliated and most of the deaths were caused
by police firing.

On the political scene, the honeymoon between Sharad Pawar and CM
Sudhakar Naik had ended. Naik aligned himself with such anti-Pawar
leaders as Home Minister S. B. Chavan, A.R. Antule and V.N. Gadgil.
Two months back, Naik saw his chance when Congress high command
recommended that the state governments prune their ministries to
reasonable size. Naik submitted a state intelligence report linking
a no. of state ministers to Dubai-based criminal Dawood Abraham.
And within a few days, with the support of Home minister S.B. Chavan,
Naik fired 11 ministers, all Pawar supporters. The PM Rao also
encouraged this move, it is alleged. Whatever the case, the party's
image has suffered a great damage by recent shenanigans in the state.

And the Ayodhya events came in handy for these opportunist politicians.
Who will leave this golden opportunity to destabilize the state
government? Some newspapers reported that Muslim mafia gangs were
also involved in these riots. With the well known connections of Pawar
group with Dawood Abraham et al, I have every reason to believe that
these riots were further fueled by these politicians.

With everybody taking advantage of this situation, how can you
expect criminal gangs to keep quite? So, violence further increased.

And then came Shivsena. Thakre, in his usual style, started shouting agaist
Muslims. It was slowly directed towards Tamils in Mumbai. Who the hell
do these Shivsena goons think they are? They have further helped
increasing the violence. But we don't expect anything more from
these goondas.

So, as always, some Muslim criminals, politicians, mafia gangs
and Shivsena are responsible for this situation. I do not have
sympathy for any of them. Police should take sternest action
against these miscreants. 


-- Girish.
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Phataphat, Harpal Chohan, RuchirG and Deepak (Re: I have..)
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:45:26 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan6.233611.20309@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.170206.46165@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
>>  I am marginally literate - I admit.
>>  Yes, I am a yokel..
> 
> No more need be said then. 
> 
> George Chacko
> 
> Education: That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the
> foolish their lack of understanding. Ambrose Bierce, Cynic's Word Book
> (1906)
> 
> 

 What more can the human equivalent of a black, smelly, bullfrog of the George
 Wacko species happily croak about ?????

 Its not monsoon yet ! 8-)

  - deb chatterjee
 (a good samaritan)
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: DEPORT DAMN DESHIS - A News  India Editorial
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 16:39:52 GMT


Friends!

   I posted this article few months back. Please check its validity in the 
   face of the recent violence in West Bengal and New Delhi by the Bangladeshi
   infiltrators. And look at the governmental support these fellows
   enjoy.

   Muslims and their vote bank politics.

Indu Shekhar




Source: News India EDITORIAL Date  : 25 Sep'92; Pg 55


                      DEPORT DAMN 'DESHIS

  Dhaka is crying hoarse over New Delhi's plan to deport  illegal
Bangladeshi  Immigrants. The Ilsamic nations will join Bangladesh
in a smear campaign against India, while other countries may  ask
to reconsider  the deportation move on Humanitarian terms.

  However disregardinbg any such attempt to thwart  the  attempt,
India  should  go  ahead  with  its  plans.   Allowing 18 million
Bangladeshis into the country when millions of our own
people go without food and shelter is a grave crime. The recent
infiltration   of    mostly   muslim   Bangladeshis    has   been
engineered by  Pan- Islamic conspirators  to  destabilise  India.
The  crime  rate  has  jumped  up  in  Indian cities flooded with
Muslim Illegal Bangladeshis.
  Indians are suffering because og  the  governments  efforts  to
appease  the  international   commity  at  the  cost  of its  own
people. Pseudo secularists and  anti-nationalists   are   to   be
blamed   for  such    anti-Indian  policies. The time is ripe  to
put  national interests  first  above  all  other considerations.

  The federal  government  (Central  Government)  move  is  being
backed  not only by the BJP but also the Communist regime of WEST
BENGAL.  The government should  grab  this  oppurtunity  to  take
positive   action.    Any   further   delay  in  deportation   of
Bangladfeshis should  be termed as  a  continuing  crime  against
Indian people.

-Indu.
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From: thiru@lgc.com (Thiru Bollam)
Subject: Re: India Today Editorial : Ayodhya- Nation's shame
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corporation
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:00:19 GMT

>This is the editorial from India Today's special edition dated
>Dec 31, 1992. Aroon Purie, the editor is very rational IMHO.
>
>-Bijoy
>
>AYODHYA - NATION'S SHAME
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----stuff deleted -----------
>  It is a shame because the largest opposition party of the country thought
>nothing of reducing this country to a mobocracy by encouraging its followers
>to take the law into their own hands. It knew very well the catastrophic 
>consequences of such an act. It is a shame that a political party which
>acquired its legitimacy from the ballot box should so callously violate
>basic democratic tenets to achieve its objectives - the tenets of negotiation
>not force, the rule of law not of the jungle. The foundations of any civilised
>society. It is a shame too that the Government did not have the courage to
>enforce the law of the land.

	I'm surprised by the rationale(!) of this editor. Instead of focussing
on the issue of 'EROSION OF PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS
and the POLITICAL PROCESS', it is ridiculous to have put blame on some 
political party by using some hifi rhetoric etc.... He could have written
a much better editorial by concentrating on the whole process than viewing 
with a narrow political-eye.

>  At the moment this is the fundamental issue, not the fact that the structure
>was a mosque or a temple. That has to be decided within the democratic 
>framework of the courts, Parliament and the Government. The BJP has been
>trying to cloud the issue by arguing that many temples were destroyed in
>Kashmir and nobody but they raised a voice, so why all this fuss about
>the destruction of one defunct mosque? On the face of it, a persuasive
>argument. But, of course, they forget to mention that the destruction of
>those temples were acts of terrorism, perpetrated by those who live outside
>the law. Is that what the largest opposition party wants to equate itself
>with?

        This is a screwed-up logic. Taking on the face of the author's 
argument (last two sentences in above para-seems like author agrees to the
the argument of destruction of temples), is it terrorism to get back
what you lost through terrorist activities??? (Think of US-Iraq-Kuwait!!!!)

>  There is little doubt that with 110 million Muslims and many other smaller
>minorities, India can survive as a country only as a secular democracy.
>Otherwise we are doomed to go the tragic way of Lebanon and Yugoslavia,
>multiplied a thousand times.

	Our man has surrendered to emotionalism and throws up some 
outrageous assumptions.

Seems like, these INDIA TODAY reporters are beaten-up to death by
that mob. Hoping to read better stuff in IT..
From: sarkar@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Nilanjan Sarkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Riots Paralyze Bombay for Seventh Night
Keywords: Riot Bombay
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:08:54 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan12.173444.24285@crd.ge.com> srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas) writes:
>
>     How shameless and hypocritical our 'Hindu Neta' can be!
>     Maybe, next time he and his ilk should carry slogans like 
>
>	   'Garva Se Kaho Haam Insaan Nahi Hai'
>           'Garva Se Kaho Haam Hum Buddhihin Hai'
>


Your resentment is understandable. No sane minded person will support
what is going on in India. A few persons who supported the demolition
of BM can be thought to be the extreme elements of the group. But no
group is devoid of such extreme elements.  Do not consider them as the
representative of the particular group although they make most of the
noise.

Having said that, I have a question for you (and others like you e.g.
Srinivas Budaraju, Sanjeev Mahajan (if he is still there)): Why are
you people silent when, for example, temples are demolished in
Kashmir, a particular group do not want to sing natioal anthem, head
of Jamia-Milia(sp?) is threatened for his opinion of book banning and
so forth?  Do you have any particular mission in which you only
castigate Hindu fundamentalism and keep quiet about others? In one of
your posts you mentioned -- "Hindu fundamentalism is the worst (in the
context of our country)". I agree that any sort of fundamentalism is
bad - period.  How do you grade them -- bad, worse and worst? Just
because Hindus are majority? Fundamentalism is a qualitative aspect --
quantity does not make it any better or worse.

If you want to sound rational and want others to value your opinion --
be balanced. You never answered why uniform civil code is not
justified. To the contrary, you come up with the question that how
does it matter if Muslims are allowed to have four wives.  But, why
not uniform civil code??

While killing other people certainly justifies "Hum Buddhihin Hai",
but, on the other hand, turning a blind eye to other aspects of
fundamentalism does not necessarily make one rational.


>
>-srinivas


--Nilanjan
From: bkannan@ho13.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:  NY Times Letter to Editor 12/31/92 About 1947, Ayodhya, etc.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:38:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



imran anwar posts from NYT:


****************************************************************

               "Time to Undo Damage of Indian Partition"
              -----------------------------------------------

>        Dear Sir:

            [...]

>        By questioning the sovereignty of Pakistan and Bangladesh,
>        two large and democratic countries, Messrs. Sharma, Cox,
>        Ahmad, and Singh seek to divert attention from the root
>        causes of the religious massacres occurring daily all accross
>        India.  They fail to acknowledge that India's religious
>        violence is rooted in its grinding poverty and corrupt
>        politics, and not in any popular yearning among India's
>        masses to conquer the mythical lands of the Mahabharata.

            
            [......]

>        Thank you,
>        Sincerely
>        Amer Mufti

*************************************************************


              Mr. Mufti has his head screwed the wrong way!
              [has no clue about Indian society & history]
              A Paki propagandaist?           


               bk
From: sumonbha@almaak.usc.edu (Sumon Bhaumik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: College Street Coffee House (was Beekel bela...)
Date: 10 Jan 1993 14:05:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu


Oh, yes! I was a regular at the College Street Coffee House for 3 years, during
my days as a student at Presidency College. It is, if the anecdotes of my
seniors are objective, a shadow of the Coffee House of the 70s. But even then
sitting at a table while discussing everything from Kurosawa to the new girl
in the English dept. is an experience which is unique. I have met some 
protagonists of the Spring Thunder at the same place and even after 20 odd 
years the passion in their voice and the fire in their eyes took us back to 
another time. I have never quite sympathyzed with them politically but the
experiences were worth it. There is a great deal of misconception about one 
having to be an `antel' in order to enjoy the ambience at Coffee House. I for
one, and my companions, hardly qualify for that honour. But we enjoyed 
ourselves thoroughly. Also, the quality of the food is hardly the point of
contention. In all of 3 years I have not met anyone whose primary objective
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: punati@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (yashodhar.punati)
Subject: THE COVER OF THE LATEST MS. MAGAZINE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:07:35 GMT


Check out the cover of the latest MS. Magazine. It features Samita
Dasgupta (Founder of MANAVI - a support group for battered women, and 
a professor at Rutgers University), along with her daughter Sayantani 
Dasgupta. The Cover story was about feminist mothers and daughters.

-Yashodhar
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From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject:  March to India (just as a Joke)
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:03:08 GMT


Serious Readers please ignore






India is really in a wonderful position. In 1947, we seperated
and got devided. Devision of a country is we mind our buisness
you mind ours. We leave in our borders you stay in yours. But
from Bangladesh and Pakistan, we are having people that wants
to march into our country. Isn't it a great thing. Why did not 
we think of it before? Why keep this borders. Let us all Indians
also march into bangladesh and Pakistan. What is the meaning
ofseperate country then? Why not become one country. In that case
nobody will stop any one. 

I know that this was not such an inteligent article. Any way that is
what I can think of after my whole day of work. Bye friends.
Hi, anons, Are you still there. Come on last few days were tiring
though, reading capital letters, still it was interesting. Why don't
you fire your next shot please?

Atleast we will some people jumping arround.

--
With regards
 
SUPRATIC GUPTA
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