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From: teverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (Toby Everett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PROBLEMS with OS/2 GA!!!!!!!!!
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:31:17 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <70168@ut-emx.uucp> mo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mohit Goyal) writes:
>the problems.  I ran a program available from hobbes.nmsu.edu called
>CPUSPEED and it loaded itself in a window and *locked the system*.  I had
	Be careful with memory checker software that tries to do a bean count
of some sort.  I ran one called PM_MEM and another that came with a time
program from METZ software (the zipped file I had was called METZ.ZIP).  They
both suck CPU cycles so fast you can't kill them, and eat up virtual memory at
a fantastic rate.  I ran the second one whil I had another memory checker
running that told me Swap File size too, and I watched my swap file grow from
around 5 megs to 20 megs before OS/2 said that the offending app wasn't 
responding to input, and would I like to kill it.  The first one was more
efficent at killing my system, and at that time I didn't know the key command
to prevent auto program start up (left Ctrl-Left Shift-F1 according to the 
readme), so I was stuck.  I couldn't kill the program before it killed the
system.  Argh.
        --Toby Everett
        --teverett@jarthur.claremont.edu
        "I'm rooting for Boca.  How about you?"
From: gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:41:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <53960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:
>In <1992Apr7.085201.13452@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr5.202424.16171@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>1-800-3-IBM-OS2 number?  100 operators?  I think that's more than even 2-4
>
>They have 300 operators right now, are taking approx. 2400 orders a day. They
>would have more operators but they're at capacity right now! (As per the OS/2
>people in the IBM tower here in Atlanta, where the ordering info is being done).
>-- 
>Tom Sorensen              gt0040a@prism.gatech.edu
>Georgia Tech 
>And no, I don't like this .signature.

According to what I heard at IBM (I was there with you), 1-800-3-IBM-OS2
was taking 300 orders per hour with 25 operators.  Now that they have 100
operators, they are taking 1200 orders per hour (300*100/25).  Now let's
see . . .

First day:    300 orders/per hour for 8 hours:      2400  orders
Second day:   600 orders/per hour for 8 hours
              They doubled their lines to fifty
              on April 2                            4800  orders
April 3 through April 8 (Today)
             1200 orders/per hour for 8 hours 
             for 5 days:                           48000  orders

Total:                                             55200  orders in 8 days.

Remember, this doesn't include mail-in upgrades, etc.  Just IBM direct.


-- 
Henry "Hank" Harlan Roark III | UNIX--An OS for those that don't have to pay.
Georgia Tech                  | OS/2--An OS for those that do have to pay.
gt8080a@prism.gatech.edu      | DOS --An OS for those that don't care.
My views only, not GT's       | Windows--An OS, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: altman@sbpmt.cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Subject: Re: Borland C++ for OS/2 v.2.0
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:12:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.045326.7094@borland.com> sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes:
>I am making sure that management is aware that people on the net are
>asking for things like cross-platform development options. One thing I
>wonder is, is there any reason to have a PM IDE that generates Windows
>executables if you can instead have a Windows or DOS compiler that
>runs in a VDM and can use the same project or make files as the PM
>version? I'm not hinting at any plans, I'm simply asking for
>clarification about what people who say they want cross-platform tools
>really want to do with them.
>

My opinion is that I would much prefer a 32-bit PM based compiler which 
allows me to generate 16/32 bit DOS, 16/32 bit Windows, and 16/32 bit 
OS/2 code.  The reasons are that regardless of whether the DOS based or 
Windows based compiler will work in a VDM under OS/2, the OS/2 version 
of the compiler will (1) be faster; and (2) will not suffer from any of
the Memory Errors which are not easily caught because of the use of XMS.

> -- sidney <sidney@borland.com>




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From: "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: os/2 and herc display
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:51:21 EST
Reply-To: "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


  I have OS/2 1.3, but I've left it sitting on the shelf because it
does not work with a monochrome graphics (Hercules) card.
  However, I was assured by several posters six or eight weeks ago that
OS/2 2.0 in the GA release *would* work with the Herc display and give
me the PM environment.  
  Can anyone who has 2.0 GA confirm whether this is true?
  I would really prefer to stick with my present card/monitor setup. 
  (BTW, Windows 3.1 works fine with the Hercules display.  But the
tutorial requires VGA or better.  Sigh.)

-- Ron
ronald.hands@canrem.com
---
  DeLuxe 1.21 #10218  
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: lauch@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Chung Lau)
Subject: Re: HPFS and Memory
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:54:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.002744.25993@uwm.edu> tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>HPFS takes up quite a bit of RAM real-estate...especially on 4MB systems.
>I estimate that the HPFS driver takes about 1/2 MB of memory alone, not
>including the operating system :)  This is the only reason why you shouldn't

  HPFS does disk-caching, right??  Is the 512K requirement for the driver
*alone* or does it include a sizeable amount of ram set aside for
caching??  

*---------------------------------------------------------------------*
Stephen Lau, Electrical Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii           
Internet: lauch@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu, Stephen_Lau@asylum.flex.com
From: pebly@VNET.IBM.COM (Bob Pebly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Bootmanager
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:50:52 GMT
Reply-To: pebly@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Industrial Sector Division, Boca Raton, FL

In <1992Apr15.031000.8749@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Stephen M Smith writes:
>This is exactly what I want.  But will the FAT partition be accessible
>under OS/2 2.0 after I boot OS/2 from the D: drive?

Yes, when you boot OS/2 in that configuration, the default drive will
be D: and the C: FAT partition will still be accessible.

Bob Pebly

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's view, not those of IBM.
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Help me install OS/2 on a Clone...
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:08:11 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris) writes:

>adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:

>>Why don't you get a copy of 'COUNTRY.SYS'? <grin>... 

The "missing country.sys" error message is often the result of
trying to install OS/2 with insufficient memory. Take your system up to
8 megs and this message will probably go away.
-- 
David Feustel N9MYI, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805. (219)482-9631
= Candidate Bush wouldn't recognize principle if he were standing upon it =
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Help me install OS/2 on a Clone...
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:15:53 GMT

In article <k0vjfr_.feustel@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris) writes:
>>>Why don't you get a copy of 'COUNTRY.SYS'? <grin>... 
>The "missing country.sys" error message is often the result of
>trying to install OS/2 with insufficient memory. Take your system up to
>8 megs and this message will probably go away.

Just a point about this issue.  IBM says that you must have 4 MB of
RAM minimum to install and run OS/2 2.0.  They do allow up to 128K to
"disappear" (some BIOSes/chipsets do this), but no more.  If you have
a 4 MB machine that grabs more than 128K for system use, you'll need
more RAM.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: Re: Stuff in comp.windows.ms
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:01:36 GMT

Well.... Reversi allows multiple copies of itself in Win 3.1.
Solitaire does not.  I can get multiple copies of Xtalk for Windows.
So the report is not entirely correct.


-- 
Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu
Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi
From: UCSBILLB@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (William H Baumer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Memory and HPFS
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:36:43 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

With a PS/2 80 mod 71, 6 Mb memory, I installed Os/2 v.2.0 r. 6.177
as the operating system with all drives using FAT's.  When I changed
to r. 6.304e, I reformatted the C: drive to HPFS in the hope that
this would improve swap file performance.  It has.  I have not
noticed significant change in the programs resident in memory;
they continue to perform as before.

Because I use a publications program that bitmaps for printing, and
run this concurrently with Extended Services Communications manager,
I am increasing system memory to reduce the swapping.

When I install GA with ES, I will change all drives to HPFS.  There
is a notable performance improvement.

William H. Baumer,  University at Buffalo
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Where is the upgrade form keep for ftp?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:52:38 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

Will someone please email me and let me know where that upgrade form went on
the ftp list?

Thanks

He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 2.0 for user groups
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:43:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.234341.8174
Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I am in a user group that would like to compare windows 3.1 and
OS/2 2.0 head to head.  The problem is that we have windows 3.1
but we don't have a copy of os2 2.0 GA.

I called the IBM hotline and they said that they are so bogged down
with orders that they can't expidite.  Is there any way to get a single
copy to promote OS/2 with?  I'd like to show it off, but 6.304 is
not very stable, doesn't do svga, is a bit slow, etc.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
--
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Sarcasm, Confusion, and my Timothy Sipples Post
From: lance@lancea.actrix.gen.nz (Lance Andrewes)
Date: 8 Apr 92 4:14:48 GMT

skanga@prism.poly.edu (Shiraz Kanga) writes:
>Hey al you IBMers out there I think Timothy Sipples deserves a free
>copy of OS/2 2.0 ASAP. [etc]

Damn right!  I expected Timothy would be amongst the very first to
receive a copy.  Surely the IBM people reading this forum have
noticed what a superb job he is doing selling 2.0?  Maybe they
should just put Timothy on the payroll, then immediately give him
a free copy under their "staff incentives" scheme :-).

----
 _______  Email: lance@lancea.actrix.gen.nz
////      ZL2AJH    Wellington, New Zealand

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian P Ruta)
Subject: Super Demo Tuesday NYC
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:43:01 GMT


After having enjoyed the first OS/2 intro last week, I attended the
Super Demo Tuesday at the IBM Building yesterday.

We all received OS/2 t-shirts, daily-planners, literature, etc.. at
the registration.  What we then saw was another demo of OS/2, "The
Integrating Platform".  This time there were many more people present
and the demo was a little more comprehensive.  We saw text being cut &
pasted from a DOS text based app (WordPerfect, I think), as well as
the startup screen from MS Flight Simulator's demo cut and pasted into
a 32-bit OS/2 word-processing program (a Describe 3.0 beta?).  That
was, again, a DOS based graphical program being c&p'd into OS/2.
Neat.  More data was taken from a Win app and then something was taken
from a 16-bit OS/2 app and they were all combined into one document in
Describe.  It was all very painless to integrate.

The document ended up reading (something to this effect):

"It's not about fixing old Windows....It's about opening new doors!"

(I liked that :)

It seemed to run slower than I had remembered, but it was on one of
those new SLC PS/2's, by no means a screamer.  

There were demos from various ISV's, but the only one that I really
had a chance to look at (I still have 3 weeks till finals :-( was the
Describe demo.  It was actually quite impressive.  They gave me a
number to call for a free demo of it (it is a 32-bit word processing
program, quite slick...).  I dont mean to try to sell this to you, but
if you are interested, that # was 800-448-1586.  Tell them you want
the OS/2 2.0 version !!


Another note: one of the IBM reps there told me that they were
planning to *ship copies of the code out to those who ordered over the
phone before stocking the retail stores*, and that we should expect
them soon.  Then again, this guy didn't know how to kill a full-page
DOS session from within the GA, and _he_ was supposed to be showing it
to _us_.  I'd think that at least the IBM reps would know what they were
talking about, even if the software salespeople (ie Eggheads, etc...)
are clueless.

Oh, well.  There were a bunch of the new PS/2 Model 56's around for us
to play on.  I guess IBM wants to show that it can be run on lesser
machines (ie that it doesnt require a 486 to run).  

The GA is much better looking or handling than any beta I've used.

Now, where is my copy and why have I not seen any ads for it, even
though the campaign started April 6?  If I see any more ads for Win
3.1 I will puke...


-- Sebastian 
   spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kwh@stiatl.salestech.com (Kurt Hoyt)
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:37:51 GMT

rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:

>gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:

>>In <rhoward.702947638@matd> rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:

>>>You know, after I got back from the Atlanta demo/hands-on session
>>>I was really disappointed. :-(  I have heard about all these rollouts
>>>in NY, LA, etc. and how they were glitzy, professional, and all
>>>that you would imagine from a big company like IBM.  What did we get
>>>in Atlanta?

>>A lot, you just missed it (sorry). The first OS/2-PS/2 road show was here,

Yes, it was. There was a standing-room only crowd and 50 copies (actually,
licenses since there were no shrink-wrapped copies available yet) of
OS/2 as prizes. I only found out because my company is an IBM customer
(RS/6000 and AIX) and my salesdroid knew I had an interest in it.

Besides, the attendance was exactly that -- current IBM customers whose
salesdroids let them know of the event. Also, most of the 50 free OS/2
copies seemed to go to preselected customers through the intervention of
their salesdroid instead of by random drawing (I overheard a conversation
or two reserving these prizes).

>It's just a matter of knowing where to be and when!?!?  What an insult!
...
>give up right now.  (I follow these newsgroups, I read local Ga. Tech
>news groups, I read the papers and other media, what else am I
>supposed to do?!).

Make friends with an IBM rep or two. IBM is not do a good job of mass
marketing OS/2 here in Atlanta or anywhere. Don't worry -- you didn't
miss much at the OS/2-PS/2 roadshow. I would have left within the first
two hours (of an all-day session) if it weren't for the free lunch.
I had seen all the interesting demos by then (mainly ObjectVision for
OS/2 2.0 from Borland).
-- 
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kwh@salestech.com    |  ensure the integrity of your 'Software'."
...!uupsi!stiatl!kwh |             -- IBM
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: Re: 800x600x16
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:20:49 GMT

In article <cdu6RsG00VIGQR1UV1@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeffrey Michael Gerber <jg3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Is SVGA 800x600x16 supported in OS/2?  Windows 3.1 (uh, did I say that?)
>has a universal 800x600x16 driver that works with "any" SVGA card.  I
>have a Paridise compatible card and from what I've seen on this BBoard,
>it looks like you can not do more than 320x200x256 (standard VGA)
>without a driver from the card manufacturer.  And since Paridise thinks
>OS/2 is dead, I don't see them coming out with one soon.  
>

Yep, Paradise is definately behind the times but I hear they are
planning a release sometime this summer of some drivers for 2.0.  I got
screwed by it because I have a Gateway 2000 386sx/20 with the paradise
board built in.  So I can't even sell my old board to help pay for the
new one I ordered.  I went ahead and ordered a Trident OEM card (with
the 8900c chipset) which has an 800x600x16 seamless driver all ready to
rock and roll with OS/2.

>If there is a universal 800x600x16 driver with OS/2, does it do seemless
>Windows?  
>

Nope.  There is SVGA support but it is up to the board manufacturers to
supply the drivers.

>Jeff
>

	-Phil
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth drivers for OS/2?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:55:41 GMT

 >Someone posted an article a while back that said that Diamond would not be
> >producing drivers for OS/2 2.0 for their Stealth board.  Is this true?  I
> 
> I was the person that posted the original thread.  Todd from Diamond's
> technical support told me yesterday that  the OS/2 drivers are currently
> being written and that we should call them back in about 2 weeks.  He also
> told me that there is a new BIOS for the board, version 2.31.  The older ones
> had problems with 1280x1024 in certain applications.
> 
> Doug Barlow
> 

	I've got the Diamond Speedstar Plus card in my 486, is Diamond going
  to release SVGA os/2 drivers for that also?  

							G.Greene
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: snowden@cray.com (Jim Snowden)
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 1.x-- I want to cry!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:23:53 CDT

In article <1992Apr7.204522.19257@morrow.stanford.edu> harlick@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Will Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.011241.14628@prism.poly.edu> skanga@prism.poly.edu (Shiraz Kanga) writes:
>>
>>What if these people mail their licenses to someone in the US to get a free
>>upgrade (except mailing costs - how much does the entire box weigh?) Is this
>>possible? legal?
>>
>
>
>Possible?  Probably.
>
>Legal?  Probably not.  Most countries have import duties for
>practically everything.  *Someone* is supposed to pay those duties for
>every shipment.
>

I've had a number of things sent from the USA to the UK - it is perfectly
legal to do it.  All that needs to be done is to stick a green
customs label on the package declaring the content and the value. (Now
for a FREE upgrade to OS/2 2.0, I'm not sure what value you should put
on it - customs might be a bit suspicious to see a value of $0!).  The
customs duties to the UK are 17.5% VAT plus about 5% import duty.  In
practise, they haven't charged me anything provided the declared value is
about 75$ or less.

Anyway, for my version of OS/2 1.2 EE, I never had a proof of purchase
sheet as in the US version - so I don't think I'll be using this route
anyway.  But in the UK it is only 40 pounds to upgrade, so I'll just
do that.

Jim
snowden@hemlock.cray.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: frank@unixg.ubc.ca (Murray Frank)
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:42:09 GMT

In article <PBROWN.92Apr8114352@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> pbrown@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Patrick R. Brown) writes:


>Take it easy...  OS/2 was released on the 31st in name only -- evidently, the
>final code from Boca was sent out around the 30th.  Can't get this out that
>fast.  I interviewed for a job with MS back in mid-January, and they were
>getting about ready to produce the ``release version'' of 3.1.  So, they've
>had plenty of time to get the product shipping. I'm sure you'll see ads when
>you can actually go somewhere and buy it.  ``Teasers'' are the only kind of
>ads that would be useful right now.

All of this is true enough. It also shows that IBM still has much to
learn about marketing to a mass market. There is an old (rude) joke in
which the punchline is that the IBM salesman tells how great it is
going to be. This may work well for major long-term investments. If I
was contemplating spending a million dollars on a new system then I
too would want to know what I could get by waiting a few months. But
Os/2 2.0 is not such a product. 

For dealing with this sort of mass market there are some simple
mistakes currently being made by IBM. It would have been much better
to have announced a month later date for GA, but actually have had
availability on that date. "Can you spell impulse buying?" IBM
apparently cannot.   

>By the way, I'm getting tired of these ``I've got GA on my machine'' posts - I
>don't, DAMMIT, and they're making me mighty jealous!

Even if IBM is not worried about the money that if has needlessly
wasted by mishandling the release date, the sentiment that you express
should still worry them. Customers who feel mistreated can turn
vindictive later on. By creating an erratic pattern to GA, IBM is
creating dissatisfaction needlessly. This is simply amateurish.

I hope that IBM is watching how Microsoft is handling the release of
Windows 3.1. Microsoft understands its mass market. IBM clearly has 
much to learn about mass marketing. While these missteps will not be 
fatal to os/2, they do represent purely wasted money and unnecessary 
ill will. It is too late to do the release of os/2 2.0 properly. I 
hope that IBM will learn from this mistake, and handle release dates 
better in the future.   

Murray Frank
Faculty of Commerce
University of British Columbia.