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From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 24 Dec 92 23:58:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	The reason that I will not teach my children German is that
I don't speak it myself. I am not German. I am not European. I have
not been there, I hardly know anything about the place (hopefully
this will change sometime in the future! ^_^).
	I consider myself to be Japanese American. As such, I would
like to pass it on to my children. Go ahead and flame away, but I
don't think that the contents of my blood has the SLIGHTEST thing to
do with this at all. It is how I was raised, and what I feel
comfortable with. I speak Japanese and English at home. When I go
home, I read novels in Japanese, I watch Japanese TV if we have it.
It is just who I am. There are no ulterior motives... it is just who
I AM. I can't change it, really... I am most comfortable hanging
around with Japanese people or with people who've been there. We
share many of the same experiences, the same memories. Does this
make me bizarre? Probably.. forget I asked. ^_^
	I  mean really... if I hadn't gone to the express trouble to
tell people on the net that I have brown hair and green eyes, would
you really have known? I'm just a bunch of 0's and 1's, parading
across your screen...
	Yes, people are discriminated on the basis of race all the
time. Well, I for one am sick and tired of various people telling me
either directly or indirectly that I shouldn't belong to various
Asian-American organizations or whatever because I'm white, and
that's not Asian American. Note that I am not saying it happens on
this group, at all. ^_^ I realize that I am very silly and naive,
but... it seems to me that people should be able to be grouped by
what culture they live, and if you should want to for some reason
learn all about say, German culture then you could eventually join
that group. 

	Maiko Covington (one entirely screwed up individual, no
doubt)

P.S. Also I have been known to read and appreciate Chinese comic
books (though my reading level is VERY low ^_^). I suppose this
makes me really evil. ^_^
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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Texas State U Marching Band and Rodney King Looting
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:42:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <71967@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
->
->Ann Landers just replied to a couple that wondered if they should be
->embarassed that they met while looting that they were criminal animals,
->and they ruined the business of the Koreans who put in their life savings.
->Is Ann Landers being too harsh?

Not at all.  The couple were still wondering whether they should be
embarrassed.  They don't show any remorse over what they did.  If
they are not criminals, then who is?

The guy talked about giving the leather jacket (or fur coat) to the woman
as if it was his.  Boy, was he generous!  These people have no shame.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: atom@soda.berkeley.edu (Allen Tom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racism in Tom and Jerry? You tell me....
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:42:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <0fAHY8C00iUzE4xgs=@andrew.cmu.edu> Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>One more thing. Has anyone who reads Beetle Bailey noticed that corporal Yo's
>>eyes are no longer squinted shut? I don't know if they still give him the 
>>stereotypical japanese mindset tho....
>> 
>>Damn I need to sleep
> 
>Mr.Wong

He's still an emasculated Asian male who is characterized as weak and 
foolish.  They used to make fun of his sexuality too (can't get a date).

<sigh>
-- 
Allen Tom                |  In the land of the blind,
c60b-1gs@web.berkeley.edu|      the man with one eye is king!
atom@soda.berkeley.edu   |         
atom@ocf.berkeley.edu    |wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba!!!!
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From: rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou)
Subject: Sexuality (was Re: Inter-racial dating )
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:38:33 GMT

>Well, now we get to the difficult issue of defining "gayness."  Implicit
>in your argument above is the notion that only to be considered gay are
>those who would never think of having relations with the opposite sex.
>I'd reject such a definition, and would argue that sexual preference may
>be more "fluid" than most would admit (including extreme homophobes and
>radical queers).  In my case, I've known a couple of people who engaged
>in a long term, arguably "commited" gay relationship who later ended up
>marrying members of the opposite sex.  And what are we to make of 
>bisexuality?  Are those who practice it born that way?  Can they also
>never change their orientation one way or the other?

>My original point still stands, I believe; that given an inclination and
>an opportunity, a good number of people could try something new and learn
>to like it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that people fall into only two mutually
exclusive sexual orientations.  I believe there is a whole spectrum of
sexual orientations, from exclusively gay (physical/emotional attraction
to members of the same sex) to bisexual, to exclusively straight.  

If I change the following words in your statement, I could agree with it:


>My original point still stands, I believe; that given an inclination and
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
														  predisposition
>an opportunity, a good number of people could try something new and learn
                                                                     ^^^^^
																	 discover
>to like it.
 ^^
 that they

In the case that you cited, it could be that these people were not
exclusively gay, but were somewhere in between, and thus later found
a MOTOS that they could be attracted to.  Bisexuals are able to find
either sex attractive, thus switching partners from a MOTSS to a MOTOS
is not necessarily changing the sexual orientation.


Hope this helps.


AA relevance:  none, except that I am AA.


:-)



-- 
Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:04:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Hmmm. Just because someone is not using YOUR system, don't assume
they mean 'Chinese genetic'. Have you ever stopped to consider that
to some people 'Chinese' might mean 'Chinese cultured'? Just because
they are saying 'Chinese' does NOT imply that they necessarily
believe that all those with Chinese blood have Chinese culture. *I*
don't, when I say 'Chinese'.
		MaiKO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
From: coop1d11@bmerh301.bnr.ca (David Smith)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:41:06 GMT

In article <berthiau.724800840@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
>Someone mentioned that at his school the HK students would also speak
>Cantonese to further exclude others from their little circle.  I would 
>also like to add that even tho I feel they have every right to speak 
>whatever language they want at times it may be considered downright
>rude if there were other people in the room or within reasonably close
>proximity.  For example, perhaps after a lecture or something, someone
>might decide to say something pertinent about the lecture.  Wouldn't be
>in the best interest of everyone else that he found a major miscalculation
>in the Prof's notes? 

That was me(I) who said that.  I go to Simon Fraser University in 
British Columbia, Canada.  I'm doing a Co-Op (Internship) here at Bell-Northern,
Ottawa.  Ottawa is bilingual, many of the conversations on the bus, at stores
are in French.  I have had the urge to speak some French myself sometimes, just
to be included in the discussion or whatever, except my pronounciation (sp?)
of French words might offend some Francophones :). Any how, getting back to the
speaking Cantonese/Mandarin...I speak both but I try speak English all the
time at school.  The only reason, I would speak Cantonese/Mandarin, is if I
wanted to communicate something private or if the person I'm talking to cannot
understand me in English.

I digress

Alex Feng

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Subject: Asian Males/Females  WAS (Re: Asian males aren't attractive?) 
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.154435.2597@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

[discussion of single friends deleted] 

geeez...those are tough orders to fill.  i'm anything but financially 
stable and i'm most definitely not a doctor; still an aspiring college
student striving for a bs in cse.  so much for that. :-)

[single/double eyelids deleted]

it's funny that you mentioned that non-asians don't notice the 
eyelids whereas asians do--i personally have no idea what it entails
nor have i ever noticed such a distinction.  can someone be kind
enough as to fill me in on this single/double eyelid feature??

[assertive women deleted]

i for one like aggressive and assertive women and am not in anyway
intimidated or offended by them.  personally i would much rather
prefer this "strong" type of person as opposed to the stereotypical
your-wish-is-my-command-type figure.  my posts are beginning to 
look like alt.personal posts. :^|  

additionally, similar to alan (or was it arthur :-) ) hu's response,
if i were asked out by a female (be that person elle mcpherson or joan
chen), i would be flattered as well--as opposed to sufferring from a
role/identity crisis.

>  Yeah, but these people have criterion lists a mile long!  It's just
>  that AA is at the top of their very long list!  :-)

well, how about trimming it down to a few feet or inches? ^_^ 

laly "i knew i should have attended a university in CA" thao 
-- 

thao@cse.uta.edu        |     "There are no balls!!" 
b645zay@utarlg.uta.edu	|               -Goku from Dragon Ball 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: What is...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:06:59 GMT

>In article <L4V4VB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> xerxes@midiline.la.ca.us
>(Keith Chiem) writes:
>>I've just joined this newsgroup and I would like to know what xxx-ge and
>>xxx-cu mean.

In article <1992Dec21.020937.4119@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Actually, I'm the person who originated those suffixes, so perhaps, I
> ...
>So, now, on s.c.a.a., you rarely ever hear comments like that any more
>from racist bigots.  Of course, you can still find them in other newsgroup

Not.  I introduced those terms, now so disparagingly distorted and abused
by Dwight Joe, stealing honors and pleasures of accusing Chinese-cu and
Korean-cu of dumb dumb assholes.  I demand reparations (personal check
accepted) from Dwight Joe for lost and hurt honor and mental disturbance.
Shall no peace creep into the net without justice!  I demand justice!

>Well, now, isn't that an interesting coincidence?

Absolutely not.  If Mr Dwight Joe is refering to authorship, it's called 
plagiarism, not coincidence.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Sins of Hollywood
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:14:45 GMT

In article <BzE2z5.ME@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>Hi, before they kick me out of here again, I'd like know some of the worst
>stereotypes Hollywood has set on Asian males..
>
>Character - Movie
>-----------------------------------------
>Long Duck Dong - (what's the name of the movie with Sixteen Candles?)

	The name of the movie IS "Sixteen Candles".  Dong is the
	Asian nerd, but I still liked his character.

>The Asian Kung Fu dude - Bloodsport (the one van Damme "defeated" at the end)

	Asian Kung Fu Dudes date back to James Bond and "You
	Only live Twice" for the effective ones (back to James
	Cagney in "Blood on the Sun" for the ineffective ones).
	And of course, Bruce Lee was the most famous of these.  As
	far as bloodsport is concerned tho', Bolo Yeung is just a
	very famous villain in Hong Kong kung fu flicks.  Why is the
	choice of villain a stereotype?

>Fu Manchu - lots of 'em I think, Fu Manchu's Castle?

	Yellow peril, mysterious oriental sorcerors, etc.  This one
	actually dates back to the FIRST orientalism; the one
	in the Middle East (Arabian Nights, camels, sorcerors,
	genii, and most importantly, harems!).  

White guy as Asian

	From Charlie Chan to the instructor of Remo Williams,
	just can't seem to find good Asian actors, so instead
	it hires white guys and puts slant eyes on them.  Most
	irritating example:  David Carradine gets the part of
	Kwai Chang Caine in "Kung Fu" because the tubemeisters
	think the nation isn't ready for an Asian hero (Bruce
	Lee was originally considered but rejected despite his
	work on other series).  The fact I really hate Carradine
	might influence my opinion tho'.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Correction Re: CU/GE
Date: 31 Dec 1992 11:24:53 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

In article <1huk2eINN19e@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
>
>WHAT MAKE YOU SO SURE THAT CHINESE ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE LIKE THIS?
>WHAT MAKE YOU SO SURE THAT JAPANESE AND WESTERNERS ARE NOT LIKE THIS?
>IF NOT ALL CHINESE-ge ARE CHINESE-CU, AND CHINESE-CU ARE NOT ALL CHINESE-ge,
>WHY YOU CALL THIS KIND OF BEHAVIORS CHINESE-CU?
.
.
.

>There are many reasons of unification of mainland and Taiwan.  Very few
>people support unification because they think soul of Taiwanese-GE is belong
>to China.  It's stupid that Dwight thought most people think that way.
>
Sorry, forgot to use Dwight Joe's notations.  

Wen 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tcubed@ddsw1.mcs.com (James Hanlon)
Subject: Re: American History?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:54:38 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

mike@clubmezz.Berkeley.EDU (Michael T. Itamura) writes:
:  
:   The camps were no big secret - at least out here in California.  
: What really never came out until recently was the story of the MIS.
: The Military Intelligence Service was composed of many Japanese Americans
: from the mainland and Hawaii who served as translators for the Allied
: forces in the Pacific War.  The JA's who served in this unit were forced
: to serve anonymously as the United States did not want Japan to find
: out that they were using Japanese Americans to interrogate enemy prisoners
: and translatte of enemy documents.  Spark Matsunaga - the late senator
: from Hawaii was a member of the MIS. 
: 
An entire book was written on this subject: "From a Ruined Empire", author's
name escaping me at the moment. A collection of notes exchanged by 
Naval Intelligence Language School classmates who kept in touch after
they graduated. Absolutely fascinating. A lot of ironic interchanges
among JAs and Japanese POWs. Lots more, mostly, but hardly entirely, edifying
to the Americans. My favorite: a plain-folks white American GI who gets
involved in reporting on the Japanese royal family. One night, Prince XXX
asks him what Japan can do to smoothe the transition from Occupation to
eventual freedom. The GI responds with platitudes. The prince presses: no,
concretely, what can we do? The GI, a little awed, suggests humanizing
the emperor's image a bit, maybe with a newspaper interview. Within __two
days__ the Tokyo paper has a picture feature of the emperor, as gardener !
Talk about influence at a high level.

Jim Hanlon
tcubed@ddsw1.mcs.com
From: atom@soda.berkeley.edu (Allen Tom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Students (Was: Re: Asian cliques. Why?)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 06:07:19 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Asian-Americans


>In article <1992Dec20.220626.20440@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>>>>BTW, can anyone explain to me the phenomenon surrounding the students
>>>>from Hong Kong?  I seem to get the impression that they all have very
>>>>wealthy parents and can afford to drive around BMW's and Porsches
>>>>(really! there are usually at least 6 BMW's parked on one block 
>>>>on campus).  
>>

In article <1992Dec30.135253.22869@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Edward Zhong) writes:
>
>if you check carefully on the hk student owned bmws, you will find that
>90% of them are bought as used.
>

They just want the BMW "name."

All style, no substance.
-- 
Allen Tom                |  In the land of the blind,
c60b-1gs@web.berkeley.edu|      the man with one eye is king!
atom@soda.berkeley.edu   |         
atom@ocf.berkeley.edu    |wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: nina@panix.com (Nina Yuan)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:26:12 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec30.040657.18902@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.030827.13697@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:

>>pretentions of following, ask him to clarify what he means when he insults
>>someone for having a Chinese-cu *name*.)

>I don't insult anyone for having a Chinese-cu name.

>Chancellor Tien of the UC-system has a Chinese-cu name, and I have
>said repeatedly that we can't tell whether he is Chinese-cu merely from 
>his name.

What exactly is a *Chinese-cu name*, Dwight?  Oh, you mean a *Chinese* 
name, I guess, or maybe a *Chinese-ge* name, since names are usually
inherited.

So lets get back to Alan's original question (which seems to have been
deleted from Dwight's followup): "So, does silence intrinsically condone
an offensive statement or action?  Am I morally obligated to object to
*every* racist remark or act?"  In an ideal world, yes, each and every
one of us would object to any statement founded in prejudice or
stereotype, whether positive or negative, whether directed towards 
ourselves or towards some other group.  But we all know that doesn't
happen; perhaps this ideal is impossible, since it's human nature to
desire praise and to think good of ourselves, and on the surface
sterotypes like the "model minority" myth do appear to be praise.
Likewise, it takes more effort to respond when another group is being
attacked than when you perceive yourself to be under attack.

So what can we do about this?  I think the second point is easier to
address, and indeed we do see people on s.c.a.a. attacking negative
stereotypes directed at ethnic groups other than their own (Dwight's
comments on racist X-cu baboons notwithstanding).  The first
point takes a lot more vigilance; as Alan asks, is it possible to
capitalize on "good" sterotypes without being victimized by the
downsides?  I think it is, but it requires us to separate factual
conclusions we may come to about a (large) GROUP of people (say, there
are many Asian-Americans in engineering) with judgments on a particular
member of that group (oh, there's an AA; he or she must be an engineer).
It's impossible to erase all generalizations we may make about a group
of people (maybe it's not even desirable), but the closer we come to
viewing people as individuals, the better we are.  Easier said than
done, I realize.

Are we morally obligated to comment on all prejudicial remarks?  I think
so; silence is implicit indifference, if not agreement.  But first we
have to recognize that a remark based on prejudice, and that's harder
than it appears.

-nhy


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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Dueling Stereotypes (was Re: From the Stanford Daily #4)
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:22:38
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.014428.10656@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:

>The
>community of Asian-Americans is not a homogeneous bunch of nerdy
>calculator-toting computerphiles.

>Jeff Chen
>Senior, mechanical engineering

>Thus, Asian men must, and
>can, change these attitudes by showing they do not conform to the
>studious, shy, wimpy stereotypes that plague all Asian males.

>John T. Chang
>Sophomore, biology

>[Ah yes, a good reply to the "typical Asian male" and "typical Asian
>female" lines.  Of course, the question is, what should you do if you
>are an Asian male who just happens to be studious and shy?  Should you
>change yourself to fight the stereotype, or just be yourself and not
>let society tell you who you should be?]

The problem with these letters is that in their attempt to fight one
moronic stereotype (the Asian nerd), they perpetuate two other,
equally stupid, stereotypes (the bookworm and the computer nerd).

I wonder whether the U.S. is unique in this perverse association
between academic success and social introversion.  While there's
nothing wrong with being "studious and shy", there's also no reason
that one implies the other.  Replace "studious" with "smart and
ambitious" and consider the different image that this conjures --
certainly not "shy and wimpy".

And if anything, I've noticed that computer scientists and software
engineers seem to be more likely than the average person to be
involved in either creative (writing, music, art, film) activities or
relatively high-risk physical activities (skydiving, scuba diving,
hang gliding, flying, mountain climbing, racing cars, racing
motorcycles, racing boats, etc.).

So, to answer Alan's question -- be who you want to be.
--
_______________________________________________________________________________

Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
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