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From: jimy@neuro.ece.wisc.edu (Jim K. H. Yu)
Subject: Re: MAC IIsi benchmarks
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:13:34 CDT
Keywords: MACIIsi, benchmarks

In article <1992Oct12.155617.14194@fys.ruu.nl> walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn) writes:
>In <1baf6qINNt0d@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> rmason@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert Mason) writes:
>
>>I  need to compare the hardware performance of the MACII si with
>>(gulp!) some PC clones. I thought that one way to do it would be
>>whetstone, drystone, and video speed (in cps). Reason: I have
>>QA+ for the clones which does just that. If anyone has some info
>>on where I might get these numbers, or the actual benchmark codes,
>>please send me a note. If there is a better way to compare the hardware,
>>I would also appreciate your input. Thanks.
>>---
>>Bob Mason                          Internet: rmason@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
>>Computer Science/Engineering       California State University, Chico
>
>The Mac IIsi with Apple's NuBus coprocessor card (and in B&W mode, or large
>disk cache) does:
>       0.15 MFlops (double precision Linpack.f)
>                    matrix rank= 100 ("array leading dimension" = 200-201)
>
>Source is provided with Language Systems Fortran for the MPW Shell.
>
>compiled with:    fortran -opt=3 -mc68030 -mc68882
>MPW Language Systems Fortran version 3.0
>
>BTW: other systems perform as follows:
>
>  MacIIfx               0.30 MFlops
>  Mac Quadra 700        1.29 MFlops     (fortran -opt=3 -mc68040)
>  Dec 5000/200          2.9-3.6 MFlops  (f77 -O,  version 3.1.2,
>                                         result varies with array dimension)
>
>In single precision (4 byte reals) the numbers are as follows:
>(Mac timing almost the same. The DECstation is twice as fast.)
>
>MacIIfx                 0.33 MFlops
>Mac Quadra              1.5  MFlops
>Dec 5000/200            6.5-6.7 MFlops
>
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>Fred Walsteijn                                | Internet: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl
>Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research | FAX:      31-30-543163
>Utrecht University, The Netherlands           | Phone:    31-30-533169

Everybody knows that the ideal benchmark results are the ones given
running your everyday applications. No MIPS, No FLOPS, just time to
get a job done.
Ingram Laboratories has a performance report comparing Macs and PCs
using real world applications available for both Mac and Windows.
I got a copy of it free by calling Motorola.
The 800 number was advertised a few months ago in Byte magazine (?)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jim K. H. Yu
jimy@eckert.ece.wisc.edu

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:18524 comp.sys.m68k:1205
From: douglass@pleiades.bucknell.edu (john douglass `92)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Info on Mac systems
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:42:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: coral.1av0gjINNk4v
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu

Hi, this postings if for a friend who needs some information.  Not
sure if this is the proper place, but...here goes anyway:

Information needed on CPU's for
Classic
Classic II
PowerBook 100
PowerBook 140(5?)

The information requested is: 
	- what cpu is it 68000, 68020, etc
	- what speeds are available for each machine system
	- any other useful info

Since I do not read this newsgroup, could you please reply directly
through email, thanks in advance.

-- jd

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rlw@elan (Robert Wald)
Subject: External PB100 drive
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:47:33 GMT

  Has anyone seen a cable to adapt the external PB100 drive to a 
regular Mac? My internal drive is shot. Thanks


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sleo@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Suwandi Leo)
Subject: IIci Prices
Originator: sleo@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 05:33:07 EDT

I apologize if this has been recently discussed.
I noticed that the price of MacIIci had been dropped here (IPO/ Educational
Discount) to $2205 (5/80 w/ cache configuration).  However, the price list
still has $3999.00 as the "Suggested Retail Price".  Apple recently dropped
the price for this particular configuration to $2709.00.  My questions are:

1.  Will the prices on IIci still drop when IIvi and IIvx are introduced?
2.  Will IIvi and IIvx be made available in stores (as well as Higher      
    Education Purchase Program) on October 19?

I thank all of you in advance.
Please email me at sleo@mailbox.syr.edu

|| Suwandi Leo                   || Syracuse University              ||
|| 60 Presidential Plaza #1409   || sleo@mailbox.syr.edu             ||
|| Syracuse, NY 13202            || sleo@suvm.bitnet                 ||
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Best Price for Performa 600CD?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:39:36 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill Petro) writes:

>What is the best price you've seen for the new Performa 600CD?

    Well, since no one has seen them yet, it is hard to shop around.
They won't even be released until the 19th.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: stylewriter & grayscale
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:05:18 -0500

 
  MS> ...or you can get WonderPrint from Delta Tao Software, which requires
  MS> little disk space, a little bit of patience and only $38 from Mac's
  MS> Place.
  MS> 
  MS> I just picked it up and I've used it a little.  It seems to work fine
  MS> with all of my software, but I'm having trouble using it from
  MS> WriteNow. It does work with SuperPaint 3.0, Claris Resolve, TeachText,
  MS> and a few other applications, and it worked great for me.

Have you used it to print true grayscale, tho?.  Like scanned photos.
From: rpettrey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: FOR SALE: PowerBook 100
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:06:30 EST
Reply-To: pettrey@ohio.gov
Keywords: sale, powerbook
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

	PowerBook 100

	2 Mb RAM
	20 Mb hard drive

	$750

Rob Pettrey

telephone	(419) 244-3900 x 107
internet	pettrey@ohio.gov

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: psybeast@world.std.com (The UnKnown Beast)
Subject: Re: Dead new Quadra 950
Organization: Part of the Human Race
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:03:56 GMT

In article <jw-141092095401@jwmac.mitre.org.> jw@mdf.mitre.org (Joe Whalley) writes:
>I installed a brand new 950 and it worked fine the first day.  The next
>day, it hung while I was deleteing a sound via the control panel.  Now it
>won't boot.  Get the Happy Mac, then the 3 tones and a sad Mac with the
>numbers 0000000F and 0007FFF under it.  Any idea what this means, as I wait
>for a service call?

I have run into the same thing!!

I have been told that the error codes you mentioned are RAM related!

There are a couple of things that you want to check out:
1) Are you mixing SIMMS sizes? ie 2 banks w/16MB & 2 banks w/1MB
2) Are you mixing SIMMs speed?? ie 16MB are 70ns & 1MB are 80ns???
	This is a BIG NO NO!!!

There is an outside chance that if you replace the System file (NOT
FOLDER), you will see the Happy Mac again...

Do you have a large HD in there??? ie 1GB+
If so, I have also been told that 1GB+ HDs can draw to much power off of
the power supply...

Are you using a Thunder/24 board?
There is an older version of the board that also draws to much power...
check with RasterOps on that one for the version number...

Hope this helps!

PsyBeast
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Where to find the PsyBeast:
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From: gcombs@parsifal.umkc.edu (Gerald Combs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR IIsi TO 25MHz
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:46:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: parsifal.1992Oct8.174609.17685
Reply-To: gcombs@parsifal.umkc.edu (Gerald Combs)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <STRANGE.92Oct8094717@squeeze.dec.com>, strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange) writes:
>In article <GJOHN.92Oct8023005@ostrich.Stanford.EDU> gjohn@ostrich.Stanford.EDU (George John) writes:
>
>   Desolder the 40MHz oscillator.  You should see a row of little silver
>   boxes just to the right of the simm slots.  The one closest to the
>   simms should say 40.000 MHz on it.  This is the guy to desolder.
>   You could really screw things up here, so be careful with the soldering
>   iron.  I removed mine by working on a pair of pins at a time -- get one
>   pin hot enough to melt the solder, then quickly switch to the adjacent 
>   pin and heat that pin while prying the oscillator away from the motherboard
>   on the other side.  Switch back and forth between the pair while prying
>   until one side has been completely detached from the motherboard, then
>   work on the other side.
>
>Thanks for the info!  I just might try this.  One thing about this
>part tho':
>
>I would strongly recommend using solder wick for the removal of the
>crystal.  This will be a lot faster and probably safer (won't have to
>heat up the board etch nearly as much).  Also, then there won't be any
>solder already on the board when you go to put in the socket, so that
>procedure will turn into a 30-second affair rather than a number of
>minutes.  And again, this will be more gentle on your board.

  You might also want to use a desoldering iron, < $20 at Radio Shack.  The ones
Rad Shack sells are basically a regular soldering iron with a hollow tip and an
attachment with a rubber bulb.  Just squeeze the bulb, touch the tip to the 
joint, release the bulb, and all the solder is sucked up into the iron.  You can
remove every component from a motherboard in a matter of minutes with one of 
these things.

- Gerald Combs
     _____     __o          Internet : gcombs@vax1.umkc.edu
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From: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: MAC IIsi benchmarks
Keywords: MACIIsi, benchmarks
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:56:17 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

In <1baf6qINNt0d@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> rmason@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert Mason) writes:

>I  need to compare the hardware performance of the MACII si with
>(gulp!) some PC clones. I thought that one way to do it would be
>whetstone, drystone, and video speed (in cps). Reason: I have
>QA+ for the clones which does just that. If anyone has some info
>on where I might get these numbers, or the actual benchmark codes,
>please send me a note. If there is a better way to compare the hardware,
>I would also appreciate your input. Thanks.
>---
>Bob Mason                          Internet: rmason@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
>Computer Science/Engineering       California State University, Chico

The Mac IIsi with Apple's NuBus coprocessor card (and in B&W mode, or large
disk cache) does:
       0.15 MFlops (double precision Linpack.f)
                    matrix rank= 100 ("array leading dimension" = 200-201)

Source is provided with Language Systems Fortran for the MPW Shell.

compiled with:    fortran -opt=3 -mc68030 -mc68882
MPW Language Systems Fortran version 3.0

BTW: other systems perform as follows:

  MacIIfx               0.30 MFlops
  Mac Quadra 700        1.29 MFlops     (fortran -opt=3 -mc68040)
  Dec 5000/200          2.9-3.6 MFlops  (f77 -O,  version 3.1.2,
                                         result varies with array dimension)

In single precision (4 byte reals) the numbers are as follows:
(Mac timing almost the same. The DECstation is twice as fast.)

MacIIfx                 0.33 MFlops
Mac Quadra              1.5  MFlops
Dec 5000/200            6.5-6.7 MFlops

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Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research | FAX:      31-30-543163
Utrecht University, The Netherlands           | Phone:    31-30-533169
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: shaase@microsoft.com (Stephen Haase)
Subject: Mac systems reference
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:30:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I'm sure that someone has compiled a list of all of the macs and their
configurations so if you have one, please mail it to me! I really don't 
want to have to make one myself.  I'm interested in the names, cpus, memory
configs, video specs, # and type of slots, etc from the SE on up.  Portable
info would be nice, but it isn't necessary

thanks
steve
From: eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence)
Subject: Re: External Si Speaker:What's the Best for the $? (Fixing Si's Sound)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:25:44 GMT

FOR ANY MAC:

I have a Panasonic clock radio that has a minijack input, and the two
little speakers are truly astounding. Model RC-X210. OIDS and Armor
Alley just aren't the same without it.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: tom@dtint.uucp (Thomas R. Kimpton)
Subject: Re: Hard drive case market stinks!!
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:42:44 GMT

In article <patb.718420382@mcl> patb@mcl.ucsb.edu (Pat Breitenbach) writes:
>
>I've been looking for a reasonably priced external hard drive case
[deleted]
>Any answers? Better yet, can anyone suggest a more reasonably priced
>source? Thanks a million.
>
>Pat Breitenbach		patb@mcl.ucsb.edu

Pat:
	What I did was buy a PC tower case.  Call around to PC repair/
parts dealers for a good price.  I got a case with 3 half height
5-1/4" form factor slots, 2 half height 3-1/2" form factor slots,
and a 230 Watt power supply, for $100.  Because I wasn't putting a
mother board and slots in the case I was able to put 2 full height
5-1/4" hard drives in the bottom of the case.  In a couple months,
and after I can find an internal SCSI CD-ROM drive, I'm going to
put a CD-ROM in the top slot.  I went to a local cable builder
and got a 50 wire flat cable constructed with the 50-pin SCSI
headers and a 50-pin Centronics on one end.  The Centronics
connector "hangs" out the back, and I daisy chain all the drives
making sure the terminators have been removed from all but the
last drive.  If you buy internal drives, tell them you want them
without the drive hardware, you'll save about $20.  I suppose
I could have put Centronics connectors at both ends, so I
could daisy chain other drives, and use external terminators
but... this was the way I did it.  In fact that might be better
if you are going to connect to an FX as it requires a different
external terminator and I don't know if the regular teminators
that come inside the drives will work with it.

Tom.

PS:  The case looks really nice sitting on my desk, and the power
button is convenienly located on the front.

PPS:  You will probably need to get a bunch of jumpers so you can
set the SCSI address.  I think you can get them at Radio Shack.
The mail order places I've bought drives from in the past have
included data sheets that showed the location of the SCSI address
jumpers and have indicated how to set them.

PPPS (last one, I swear!): You'll also probably need to get
some power cable splitters (Y-cable, 1 female->2 males) as
the power supply will probably only have 2-3 hard drive power
connectors of the right size.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mwelch@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Michael W.)
Subject: Connecting a Mac to an internal IDE harddrive?
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:03:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: September Films

Excuse me,

  Is it possible to chain the above sequence? A 
friend of mine is being forced into a PC and would
like to use the new internal harddrive for his Mac.
From what I understand, it is an internal mid-tower
IDE drive by Maxtor or Connor, I dunno. However, if
you could please forward any infomation to him, I
am sure he would be pleasantly pleased/suprised.
His address is: mcombs1@ithaca.bitnet

Thank you very much for your time...
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Michael Welch, University of Oklahoma, United States
mwelch@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu       mwelch@uokucsvx
"I never really wanted to.. ..but I wouldn't do it."
From: paryavi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC 3FG, 4FG & Free CD-ROM Drive
Date: 8 Oct 1992 01:13:48 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <39145@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mdiehr@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Diehr) writes:
>
>Macworld has a 2 page NEC ad for the 3fg(etc) line
>of monitors, in which they mention a free cd-rom
>reader with purchase.  Anyone know details????
>
>Also,
>what exactly are the 3fg, 4fg, and 5FG monitors?
>Can I do quadra 700 800x600 video on any of them?
>I've seen the 4fg advertised for around $750, and
>if I could get a free cd-rom with it, that would
>be an awesome price.
>-mike

The catch is that you have to buy one of the NEC video cards along with the
monitor.  These cards start at about $700 for an 8 bit. 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: owen@lloyd.Camex.COM (Owen Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Repair your own Plus/SE power supply
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:04:58 EDT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.718999841.werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu> sch@unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth) writes:
>There is a book out by Sam's, called something like "How to Repair
>and Upgrade Your Mac". It describes most typical failure modes for
>Mac power supplys, describes how to analyze them, and what parts to 
>replace/upgrade. It comes with a diskette of test programs for checking
>and adjusting the monitor size, alignment, etc., and lists suppliers
>for the assorted suspect parts.
>
>	*
>	* I don't know the SAM's book, but, in any case, Larry Pina's books
>	* have been highly acclaimed on the net:  here are the particulars:
>	*
>	*	Macintosh Repair & Upgrade Secrets
>	*	by Larry Pina, Hayden Books, 1990,
>	*	ISBN: 0-672-48452-8, $32.95
>	*

This is the same book.  SAMS is either owned by, or owns Hayden Books. At
any rate they are one family.

>	*  outdated by:
>	*
>	*	The Dead Mac Scrolls (by Larry Pina)
>	*	Goldstein & Blair 1992, $32
>	*

I wouldn't say that Dead Mac Scrolls outdates MR&US.  It has more up-to-date
information, but is not as complete a book as the original.  If I had a
Plus, I would definitely want the former book.

>
>I picked up a dead Plus, performed all upgrades recommended in the book
>(which also repaired the problem), and now have a working Plus with
>an upgraded power supply (including monitor drive components).
>
>Total investment:
>Free dead Mac Plus
>$60.00 for an upgrade kit from Soft Solutions - includes better flyback,
>assorted better capacitors, and a new crt power socket (I bought a power 
>transistor also)
>Approx $25.00 for the book. (It also covers SEs and Mac 512s)
>
>	*
>	* considering you could have done it by experts cheaper and with
>	* a warranty, not the right way to do it for most of us.  But it
>	* is a fun project, and I am not discouraging anyone...  ---Werner
>	*	

Please note if you are comparing prices.  The do-it-yourself price includes
a complete upgrade of original parts.  I have not known of a Mac to
have power supply failure after the installation of this upgrade. (It may
have happened somewhere, but the upgrade parts make this a fairly stable
supply.)  This should not be confused with the price of a repair which only
replaces the currently bad part, as there are still lots of marginal parts
left on the analog board from an original Plus power supply.  I would find
it very hard to imagine that any repair place could do as comprehensive
an upgrade for less than the parts cost and $25 for the book. 

-Owen
From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Software Developers- READ ME!
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:14:17 GMT
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


 Hi Folks,
  
  Well folks, if you're a shareware author or game/software publisher,
please e-mail me with information about yourself and your product. We're
trying to compile a shareware listing in/for MacGames Digest and publisher
listing. So please e-mail me with information you may have or DO have!
<grin>
 Thanks

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         Travis Grundke- Contributing Editor, MacGames Digest
                      an780@cleveland.freenet.edu
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    MacGames Digest: The first magazine dedicated to Macintosh Gaming.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: flicking@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (FLICKINGER RONALD WARD II)
Subject: shaky image on Apple 13" RGB monitor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:05:50 GMT

Everything was perfect until I moved, then this problem emerged. I have a Quadra
700 and the Apple 13" RGB monitor. Now the image "shakes": it goes left-right,
maybe a couple pixels worth, sort of distorting rather than really moving,
with a frequency of about 5-10 Hz. I have tried moving it to most every
outlet I have, and it is on a surge protector. I took it to the dealer, and
of course it worked perfectly for them (I saw it). On their suggestion,
I tried out an expensive surge protector, and that had no effect. I don't
know what it is about my place, but *something* is screwing it up. My only
guess (and I know almost nothing about electronics) is that perhaps some
nearby power lines are affecting the monitor, though evidently they affect
nothing else. So does anyone have an idea how I could fix this problem?

      Much thanks in advance,
				Ron