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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: find lives revisited
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:11:16 GMT
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In article <mkellehe-060992224513@lafmacconsultant.lafortune.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu  writes:
>

>You're not all the teenage punks playing with magic that I first
>envisioned.

Very good; you have sooo much more data now. Just enough to put satanists
into another of your nifty little stereotypes.

>Actually, most of you sound more like followers of Ralph Waldo Emerson
>than Satan, with all this talk about being self-determined and free willed.

If the Church of Satan were in existance at the time, He might have been a 
member.
>
>Yet, if you are so free willed, why would you put yourself in the bondage
>of your every sensual pleasure (one of the doctrines of Satanism).

I see no bondage in fulfilling your desires. Noone is FORCED to partake 
in "sensual pleasures", noone is denied them. Its a matter of personal
choice...I detect xtian moralizing here.

>And why would you label yourselves Satanists? Is it that you are so 

So idiots like you are forced to use their brains occasionally. I personally
LIKE freaking people out, forcing them to reevaluate their stereotypes (not
just religion; everything). The Satan archetype is also quite symbolic of
much of what C.O. Satan stands for (as has been beaten to death in other posts)

>caught up with an irrational hatred of religion as it was handed down to
>you that to be free means to spite what you claim restricted you?

An interesting, typical rationalization on your part. Why are you caught up
with an irrational hatred (do I detect fear) of satanists? Some "satanist"
metalhead pick on you at school (big-bad satanists indeed)? More likely; 
satanism's philosophy threatens your fragile world-view. 

You want to see "irrational hatreds" check out organized religions & your
own attacks on satanism & things considered "satanic" like "heavy metal"
music. Check ol' tipper gore out, you'd have much in common. What about
the "war on drugs"? I could go on for days...

Also, not all satanists are reformed xtians; though I am.

-Scott (Cthulhu wants your women)

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:20:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BuExo6.7nI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.201341.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>> It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
>>> are still no satanists on it.
> 
> 	Yes there are.  You just don't know what one is.
> 
>>
>>Me! Mememememe!
>>
>>Most of the people here aren't even Satanists, but of the few who are, the ones
>>who actually *believe* are less likely to post, being afraid of recriminations.
>>I am one of the vocal exceptions.
> 
> 	We claim no responsibility for the absurdness of this individual.
> 	The enlightened ones merely keep him as a plaything.

[rest of aimless ramblings deleted]

Interesting. You have proclaimed that you are *not* a Satanist, the concept
merely amuses you. Yet you call yourself an "enlightened one?" You aren't even
aware of what you speak.

You have nothing to say, and you waste fantastic amounts of bandwidth doing it.
You post the longest, dullest, most pointless articles I have ever been
unfortunate to read. You contribute nothing to this newsgroup (and probably not
any others you post to either). I do not understand why you are even here,
as you don't seem to be enjoying your stay.

One more thing:  in the future, address me as "she." Those with the Unholy
Mandate do not care to have foolish assumptions made about them by dithering
idiots. But you'll do better for yourself if you go away and get a life
instead; that way you won't have to tax your brain by striving to remember that
not every human on earth is of the same gender.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Why the name Satanism?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:45:12 GMT
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In article <1992Sep14.181859.12550@pellns.alleg.edu> stringb@pell4l7.alleg.edu  writes:
>	I'm beginning to understand Satanism and from what I have gathered  
>Satanism is not the worship of Satan.  Why, then, is it called Satanism?   
>Why not The Religion of Self or Egotism or something similar?  Bill Ellis  

Satan is an archetype. One of the most direct archetypes available in our
(euro-american) culture. It brings to mind many things immidiatly. Some of
these things are negative (sacrifice goats & all that crap), but many are
not;sexuality, power over the earth, lucifer as the "bringer of light",
 freedom from inhibition etc. No other archetype brings these things to mind
as effectively as Satan.

Another reason is the association with, and borrowing from the old pagan 
horned god ceremonies. Though the Satan in the bible has no horns, this is
the image of the _Archetype_ & so an equivalent thing.

Yet another reason (for Church of Satan anyway) is the association with
the yezidis, gnostics who revered a horned god (which was identified with
satan)

>well be the original".  If so, why take it's name from the Bible?  (By the  
 Because its the archetype people are familliar with...

shit, this was such a good answer, I'm gonna put it in the FAQ!

yrs under the elder sign

-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:09:19 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Who Is Doctor Greenbaum?
 <1992Sep11.031124.751@ctr.columbia.edu>

Arthur Lyons's *Satan Wants You* is good, but too popular to cut much ice
with trained psychologists who *know* that this is happening to their
patients (the cassette tape of the presentation is interrupted a depressing
number of times by enthusiastic applause, especially when the speaker
asserts that anyone who denies the "evidence" is either naive or "one of
them."

Some of the contributions in *The Satanism Scare* (NY: Aldine, 1991) deal
more specifically with the SRA claim; an especially good one is by Sherrill
Mulhern, who is my source of the tape.  A good reasoned survey from a medical
point of view is Frank W. Putnam, "The Satanic Ritual Abuse Controversy," *Child
Abuse & Neglect* 15 (1991):175-179.

What I want to know is who the hell *Dr. Green* is.

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?
Date: 13 Sep 1992 06:00:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	Satanism is the worship of self.  Satanist's holliest (If
you will) holiday is their own birthday.  Satanism is a relativley
recent rebellion against classic Christian philosophy.  Satanism
is a religion with no real philosiphical history or serious ideas,
other than some occasional skinned dogs and people.  Satanism is

a fascinatin waste of time.

                                     Moses
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Self?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:13:41 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep9.123045.6593@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> It appears that even after a time of getting going with this newsgroup, there
> are still no satanists on it.

Me! Mememememe!

Most of the people here aren't even Satanists, but of the few who are, the ones
who actually *believe* are less likely to post, being afraid of recriminations.
I am one of the vocal exceptions.

> Just nasty atheists.  If you worship yourself
> (the opposite of the Christian denial of yourself), I would agree that it is
> "of the devil", but clearly not real satanism.
> 
> Evan Marshall

What is this "of the devil"? Are you an xian type?

--The Antichrist (and that's no joke!) 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Coming out of the closet
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:08:54 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BuGFqx.H8x@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
> 
> 	Semhaza was asking how to tell his parents he is a Satanist.
> 
> 	Lessee, how many times do people on this group come out and tell
> evrybody exactly what a Satanist is?  Instead of saying "I am a Satanist"
> Why not just explain you beliefs and let them apply their own label?
> 	
> 	Or, there's always the other possibility: Tell them you are working for
> a terrorist organization that robs banks in switzerland and bombs planes, and
> that you are, on the side, a Thuggee in a cult that worships Kali, and you
> like to rip the hearts out of little babies and you eat cats live and whole
> just for the feeloing of blood running down your mouth and squirming innocent
> fur in your throat.  Tell them it gives you that vampire feeling, an speaking of
> which, you have been hanging out with a bunch of bisexual vampires, and you have
> blood orgies every weekend.  Y also push drugs on ten year olds and like to slam 
> dance with razorblades, and that it doesn't hurt as long as you have enough PCP.
> 	Then as they stare at you in shock and horror, grin real big and say:
> "I'm just kidding, don't get upset, I'm just a Satanist."
> 
> 	They'll be infinitely relieved.
> 
> 							Dodger
> 							Sean Cannon

I stand partially corrected...this amused me greatly. I suppose you *can* write
interesting, coherent posts; why you fail to do so more often is beyond me.

--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
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From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:34:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
 
Someone who falls from a building is unlikely to hit the side of it, unless
a strong wind is blowing towards the building. Such are the laws of physics.
 
>ME< Many buildings are high (like over 20 stories). As you get up
>ME< to those heights, especially with many other buildings of
>ME< simmilar height lying round causing "canyons"; there does tend
>ME< to be high winds. Such are the laws of aerodynamics.
>ME< No, I didn't have the chance to read the origonal post and
>ME< failed to recognize from your post that the cause of death was
>ME< from non-physical causes.
 
>ME< If you want to become a priest for my church as Bill does:

I am glad that you are omnipotent, and can determine offhand just what is shit
and what isn't. Where is your church? How much does it cost to join? Do I get
part of the take if I become a priest?

>ME< Just send $5 and a note with your address and birth name, and I'll
>ME< take care of EVERYTHING :)

>ME< Send to: Brian "God" Altman 28 Cornell st. Rochester NY 14607
>ME< I hope you all realize that this is only my mailing address,
>ME< who in their right mind would live in Rochester? Not this God.

>ME< -Brian "God" Altman
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: stringb@pell4l7.alleg.edu 
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:14:59 GMT

In article <BuJH3H.5JF@wimsey.bc.ca> markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C.  
Henderson) writes:
> In article <18ule2INN4e3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses  
A. Fridman) writes:
> >
> >	Satanism is the worship of self.  Satanist's holliest (If
> >you will) holiday is their own birthday.  Satanism is a relativley
> >recent rebellion against classic Christian philosophy.  Satanism
> >is a religion with no real philosiphical history or serious ideas,
> >other than some occasional skinned dogs and people.  Satanism is
> >a fascinatin waste of time.
> I like the use of the 'word' holliest. I'd like to assert that
> juniper is a more appropriate plant in this context.
> 
> Now more seriously. You aren't paying attention to what people are
> saying here. The fact that you don't grasp the philosphical and  
historical
> bases for Satanism does not mean that it has no real philosophical  
history 
> or serious ideas. What it does mean, in this case, is that you are 
> ignorant.
> 
> Mark

	I'm not sure if that bit of intercourse helped me to further my  
understanding of Satanism.  (No lewd comments, please.  It's a valid word  
in a valid context.)  Please, if you will, Mark, enlighten me.
(That sounded sarcastic, but it wasn't meant to be.)
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:49:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep11.032509.1126@ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
> 
>>> little worldview. Sure is refreshing to hear from someone whos entire world-
>>> view is shaped by television & a quaint translation of an outdated hebrew
>>> greek & aramaic manuscript. (as if we don't hear from enough of these idiots
>>> every day)
>>
>>My view of the world is not shaped by TV, nor have I left this newgroup just
>>because school was out.  I just wanted to see what would happen if I left you
>>alone for a while.  Obviously the group has grown a lot.  It is good to see
>>that more Christian-types are reading this newgroup and talking to you all.
> 
> BZZZZZTT! Incorrect. You have obviously been away for a while. Since you were
> banished, Chris Colvin has been the only xtian we have to kick around, and
> pretty lame at that. The main reason his thread is still about is the fact
> that he crossposted to a disgusting number of groups...

Hmm... interesting...

Yo, Chris... you still out there?

> 
>>> IA PAN!
>>> IA YOG SOTOTH!
>>> IA CTHULHU!
>>> 
>>> ye servante of ye great olde ones...
>>
>>Is any of that for real?
> 
> You better believe it, or your life-force (what you vulgarly call a "soul")
> will be sucked from the husk of your body, fodder for the old ones. Your corpse
> will be left to dry, untill your sun-drenched bones can be used for flutes to
> make insane music, pleasing to the chaos-god Azathoth.
> 
>>Break me.
> 
> As I suspected, a masochist; I had a lady-friend like you who said something
> quite similar in a quite dissimilar situation (sorry Evan, You are not my type)

Sorry for giving you the wrong impression.  "Break me" translates into "give me
a break."   Sorry for your confusion.


> 
> ye servante of ye great olde ones...
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
> 

Evan Marshall
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:27:04 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?

Satanism can also be seen as a modern revival of Deism, the belief that
there is a spark of the divine in each individual, which each of us must
recognize and cherish even if it means rebelling against any and all
organized religions.When I taught LaVey's Satanic Bible recently, I found
many parallels between his arguments and those of (formerly) mainstream
American philosophers such as Thomas Paine ("My own mind is my own church"),
Thomas Jefferson (the famous motto carved on his monument in Washington,
swearing "eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man,"
was in its original context a comment on Christianity), and Ralph Waldo
Emerson ("If I am the devil's child, then I will live from the devil").
Melville's Moby-Dick contains a lot of explicit Satanism, and there is
plenty of sympathy for the devil (and not much for conventional
Christianity) in Hawthorne (see "Young Goodman Brown") and especially Twain
(see "The Chronicles of Young Satan," aka "The Mysterious Stranger").

The problem with most Satanism I've examined is that it stresses the novel and
the immediately shocking, as if Christianity were the norm and Satanism
destined to be the reaction.  In fact, Satanism may well be the
original--after all, Rabbi Yeshua bar-Yosef was crucified partly because he
insisted in questioning the authority of the hypocritical custodians of the
Judaic moral code, and partly because the authorities he attacked were
convinced that he "had a devil," i.e., was a Satanist.


Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: What is Satanism?
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:06:04 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep12.013550.22882@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
> 
> This is the closest thing to a FAQ I have seen. Bear in mind that;
> 1)I didn't write it & I don't have anyone's permission to repost it (sorry
> whoever you were)
> 2)Its not an "official" Church of Satan document, so it may or may not give the
> info you require
> 3) there are supposedly several other FAQ's under construction. I had one, but
> this came out first, so I lost interest. Besides; my Karma ran over my Dogma

Thank  you eternally; it was mine and you saved me the work of trying to
relocate i.                      

I know it needs work; you got any suggestions (hint, hint)? 

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Coming out of the closet
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:01:38 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92255.135147MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.161852.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>,
> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu says:
>>
>>A question in alt.pagan got me thinking recently because it is relevant to me
>>in a way as well.
>>
>>How could I tell my parents that I am a Satanist?
> 
> This depends on what you have found which you call satanism. It would
> appear, from what you have said about having all sorts of magic(k)al
> paraphenalia, that for you it isn't so much belief as knowledge and
> power. I would think a couple of atheists could understand the
> difference there...
> 
>>--Semhaza
> 
> Martin Schulte
> not a satanist, but the group is interesting...

No, I am a Satanist first and foremost. I used to be slightly interested in
practicing magick, but that was a while ago; now I read about it only for the
insights it can give me. But I do have a prodigious book collection. I wouldn't
want to lie about it though...

--Semhaza
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Evan Marshall
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:52:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.162542.6710@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> Ahh I have found Evan guilty of a sin! He lied; how do youknow if more xtian
>> types are reading this? You haven't heard of Chris Colvin? I doubt he is still
>
>Why is not knowing something like that a sin?

	Do you pay any attention to what you read?
	The enlightened ones can free your mind to think more for the glory
of them that shed lots of light!

>He probably isn't around anymore.  He's probably been flamed too many times.

	He went over to the light.
	They are preparing him.
>
>> 
>>>>>Break me.

	Like Dolph Lundgren in Rocky 25?

>>>> As I suspected, a masochist; I had a lady-friend like you who said something
>>>a break."   Sorry for your confusion.
>> No confusion on my part; it was an obvious freudian slip on your part.
>
>Must have been...whatever.

	In the service of the enlightened ones, you will find peace and
give up this nasty love you have of pain.

>> BTW I fail to see why Dodger should explain what a satanist, theist, or
>> enlihgtened one is to you. I spent 2 weeks on this net over the summer 
>> explaining these things to you, and Dodger's ideas don't differ all that 
>> greatly from my own. If he chooses to send you mail, thats his problem; I
>> am sure you would benefit greatly from it...
>
>Thanx, Dodger, for what you did answer.

	Fortunately, you can learn even more.
	Write to : The church of enlightenment
			300 N salisbury
			Suite 12
			West Lafayette, IN, 
			47906

>> You must accept Cthulhu as master!
>
>Give me reasons.  Just because I must?

	DO NOT BE FOOLED!  You have been forewarned.
	I cry t you form the wilderness like an ass in heat, do not
fall prey to the dark and grungy ways of cthuloid evilness!



						Seaner
						Dodge Cannon

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Coming out of the closet
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:35:20 GMT


	Semhaza was asking how to tell his parents he is a Satanist.

	Lessee, how many times do people on this group come out and tell
evrybody exactly what a Satanist is?  Instead of saying "I am a Satanist"
Why not just explain you beliefs and let them apply their own label?
	
	Or, there's always the other possibility: Tell them you are working for
a terrorist organization that robs banks in switzerland and bombs planes, and
that you are, on the side, a Thuggee in a cult that worships Kali, and you
like to rip the hearts out of little babies and you eat cats live and whole
just for the feeloing of blood running down your mouth and squirming innocent
fur in your throat.  Tell them it gives you that vampire feeling, an speaking of
which, you have been hanging out with a bunch of bisexual vampires, and you have
blood orgies every weekend.  Y also push drugs on ten year olds and like to slam 
dance with razorblades, and that it doesn't hurt as long as you have enough PCP.
	Then as they stare at you in shock and horror, grin real big and say:
"I'm just kidding, don't get upset, I'm just a Satanist."

	They'll be infinitely relieved.

							Dodger
							Sean Cannon
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Self?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:30:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
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In article <BuIFxL.Jn7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:


>	Yes I do.  The enlightened ones say to tell you you too can come over
>to their fold, and you will one day live in the sky in happiness.
>	And don;t fall into the clutches of that cthulu crap!

lies, lies all lies! The enlightened ones want slaves! The only true freedom
is service of the great old ones! Don't be fooled by his secular humanist
approach; he wants only slavery to his dark masters. He made light of
great Cthulhu's appearance; ask him what his masters physical appearance is!

>>One more thing:  in the future, address me as "she." Those with the Unholy
>
>No, I will address you as "Milo" thus spake the enlightened ones and the 
>super guru.

see how he taunts a servant of the old ones!?

>	Learn to care.  care about your sisters and brothers in the true
>feloowship you usually only see exhibited by animals.  w have forgotten the 
>law of the hive - er - pack, and it is time for a new beginning.

Again, a taste of his vision of "paradise"

beware this one, for he is crafty in his/her disguises

ye servante of ye great olde ones...

-Scott
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Who Is Doctor Greenbaum?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:11:24 GMT
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In article <92254.085848WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 
(a really cool story deleted)

Well, all this sounds like the plot of a popular novel to me. What does
jewish mysticism have to do with brainwashing. It all seems highly unlikely,
but would probobly make a nifty television miniseries....

-Scott



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