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From: tomten@solace.hsh.se (Kare H. Pettersson)
Subject: Re: Columbus Day: Start? Winter Depression Season
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:28:30 GMT

In <1992Oct14.125532.10703@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.134624.19342@solace.hsh.se> tomten@solace.hsh.se (Kare H. Pettersson) writes:
>>In <92285.163549U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>
>>>People on ASH this summer were happy and cheerful in part.
>>>Why, things were so downright friendly, people that hated each other
>>>all winter were agreeing and getting alone.  We marvelled at this
>>>phenomenon and basked in the sunshine outside our computer rooms.
>>
>>Could it be, that some of us, especially we silent readers of ASH,
>>simply didn't find the discussion worthwhile during the summer.  That
>>we felt too shitty to get involved of your happy little talks?  I,
>>for one, eneded up in hospital during August.

>Yes, I agree...lovely how she speaks for all of us isn't it....?

I'm sorry.  I forgot.  I forgot the Golden Rule No. 1:

	No matter what, no matter where, no matter when,
	you're always on you're own.
-- 
Kre H. Pettersson   +46 60 157026   tomten@solace.hsh.se    Different.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,sci.med
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:59:05 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct10.154045.12977@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.013340.19834@yang.earlham.edu>, allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>>	Painting oneself to death.... interesting. I, being quite willing 
>>to disseminate "dangerous" information, will say that pushing a pin into 
>>the base of the brain is quite lethal (the interesting things one learns 
>>from science fiction, specifically M.A. Foster's _The Morphodite_!).
> 
> Actually, this might not be so sure fire, unless it is an extremely 
> localized area...In a linguistics class covering aphasia (loss of language 
> abilities in whole or part due to brain damage) they talked about
> the origins of aphasia studies.  It seems a railroad worker was
> climbing over one of those wrought iron palisade fences with the 
> nasty spikes at the end when he slipped of and impaled his head through
> the base of his brain (in back) and out through the top front of his skull.
> This thing was pretty thick--moreso than a hatpin.  Well the guy lived, 
> and seemed fine, but his speech was impaired--he could swear like crazy and 
> talk dirty or in idioms, but that was it.  Now that I think about it--I 
> think I am crossing up two different stories--the fence one was in NYC, and 
> it was a kid who lived--within the past five years.  The aphasia on
> *was a rail spike maybe--oh whats the difference--just be careful with that
> hatpin/railspike/sharp stick/wrought iron fencepost.  Its all fun until
> someone pokes a brain out.

	It may be more localized than I had thought.... any suggestions 
from anyone on making sure the location is correct?
	-Allen
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 01:41:38 CDT
From: M. Jacobs <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux

In article <BvvxDC.KJE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A.
Dennis) says:

>In <1992Oct10.011708.17107@udel.edu> Psycho Kitten writes:

>Flame away, if you must, but I felt compelled to counter this extraordinarily
>selfish and nihilistic perspective with my own.

Hail to the Orange,
Hail to the Blue,
Hail Alma Mater,
Ever so true. . . .

>Tom Dennis                    |  I looked into the abyss,
>dennis@alexia.uiuc.edu        |    and the abyss looked into me--
>tadg0614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu     |      and we both winked.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| M. Jacobs            |   This is MY view   | Discontent is the first  |
| U45301@UICVM         |    not the view     | necessity of progress.   |
| U45301@uicvm.uic.edu |     of the "U"      | --  John Steinbeck       |
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: Psycho Kitten
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Summary: *thunk*Thunk*THUNK*
Keywords: it figures...
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:04:07 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos
Originator: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu


	...just me bashing my head against the desk...

	...Why is it that for every good thing that finally happens to
	me there are two things that go wrong???                            

	(That's a retorical question)

	When it my fin. aid is _finally_ coming and I'm actually interested
	in being social, I get my face stomped on...

	...makes me wish I was single...


	 
-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ Check my .plan \ Just a Grim
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: burke@vxdesy.desy.de
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:48:39 GMT
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)

Psycho kitten (in a message that fell off the end of my queue) said:
> -=>				where there are no intelligent people that
> -=>				I can converse with...
> -=>				(why does everyone on the net have to live
> -=>				so far away???)

But think ... all those people filling the net with their wit and wisdom
are spending half their life sitting in front of a terminal. Maybe if you
saw them in "real" life you wouldn't be so impressed. How many of us would
you *really* want to meet?

  Incidentally, I reckon all kittens are pretty psycho. How else would you
describe something that can play with a ball of string and fantasize about
torturing and then disembowelling a small, helpless animal?

Stephen Burke
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Names and identities
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:50:02 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

In article <Bw1H71.DHu@NCoast.ORG> brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:
>In article <1basssINN11u@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>Are you _assuming_ that legally changing your name is costly, or have
>you actually researched it?  

A lot of the cost is the school, they have fees for that sort of thing.

>have been $55.)  As is true in most states I believe, no lawyer was 
>required.  The staff were wuite helpful.  I had to fill out _one_ form.  

Wow, maybe I should move to Ohio.... It is a bit more complicated... Plus all
the banks accounts, charge cards, insurance, medical records, etc, etc, many
of which have fees for the service of transfering the id... There are some 
things in my past I'd rather not lose.

it isn't too bad, but NY doesn't take it lightly. They want some damn good
reasons....

>already using Megazone (or is it megazone, lower case?) that should not

I really don't pay attention... I guess properly it is MegaZone....

###############################################################################
# I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity.  Use your mind, think! #
#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
###############################################################################
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:33:40 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct7.202516.19187@udel.edu>, awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
> 	As far as "violent means" go... boiling yourself in oil is always
> an option.  Painting yourself to death (die from heat stroke) is 
> fairly non-violent... you can even be quite artistic with your death.
> There is a way to die from a hat-pin that is fairly non-violent and quick
> (esp. if someone else does it to you)... but I won't describe it -- it's
> too easy to use for assasination. (I don't need the govn't breathing 
> down my neck for disseminating "dangerous" information right now...)
> 
> 	
> 				Psycho Kitten

	Painting oneself to death.... interesting. I, being quite willing 
to disseminate "dangerous" information, will say that pushing a pin into 
the base of the brain is quite lethal (the interesting things one learns 
from science fiction, specifically M.A. Foster's _The Morphodite_!).
	-Allen
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:51:38 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <92288.190541U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>Ah!  Not only is Ollie an ecumenist; today he is a child ecumenist.
>When reason fails, one can always regress to epithets from the fourth grade.
>(Btw, I think this phrase has been used before you have used it.  Therefore
>the trademark simply does not apply.)

Nice try Brady, but no tomato. You avoided reason right from the start.
So did I. But I don't pretend to be reasonable (about our present
clash)...now then if you *want* a reasonable *discussion*, don't post
articles misrepresenting groups of people, don't selectively edit
responses to that article and above all try to avoid insulting peoples
intelligences. You want to flame me for this? I advise email. That's up
to you.

Oh by the way, read talk.bizarre.
 
>Touchy and trite; outa' sight!

*sigh* You mentioned forth grade?   

>I'll ask you again; will you get it right?

>Touch of insanity?
>Touch of auto-eroticism?
>Touch of "crass"?
>Touchy?
>Touche'

Depends on the day.

>P.S.  With all that anger Ollie is venting, he should not get
>depressed this winter.  ;))  Is it particularly cloudy in Ireland
>that you are so out of sorts Lucifuge?  Why, I have not seen this
>kind of petulance in you in a long time.  Regrettable.  Usually
>you are an advocate of reason.  But "fume on" if you must; that is
>what this group is for:  an outlet....

Ah that word reason again. Reason...you have consistently avoided reason
right from the beginning of this exchange brady. Your original article
was crass and utterly devoid of reason. My response was in kind and your
reaction has been trite insults. Now while this is fun in it's own way
it becomes tiresome. I suspect I am tired before you. I'll let you judge
what that means.

Ollie/Lucifuge...

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The Lord is my Shepherd..........................but I'm not a Sheep
--------------------------ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie-----------------------
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Bipolar, Anyone?
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:37:59 GMT

In article <Bw4u7L.7Eq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (I like redheads.) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.220644.23581@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>
>(triple quoting deleted)
>
>>
>>	Me too!  I do feel like homicide instead of suicide this week...
>
>Forgive me if I am wrong, but don't you *always* fell like homicide
>instead of suicide??  ;) 
>
>[.sig deleted]

	I don't _always_ feel like homicide instead of suicide... sometimes
I'm too lazy to kill _anyone_.  ;)

	I'll try and leave the homicidal tendancies to alt.destroy the
world though...

	E.W.W.


-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ Check my .plan \ Just a Grim
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: "Merry" Yom Kippur
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:12:02 GMT

I just thought I'd wish every ASHer a merry Yom Kippur.  For those of
you who are not jewish and/or don't know any jews, Yom Kippur is a day
that you spend fasting and thinking about all of the horrible things
you did this past year.  (Doesn't figure, Christians get holidays that
they get presents or chocolate and everybody gets the day off.  On our
holidays we have to fast or not eat breat for eight days or something
(except Purim, our only REALLY fun one- and I had to work today!)  I
figure it is the perfect holiday for the average ASHer, and I hope
everyone made the most of it.
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
**********************************************************************
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* With a bad reputation         * film major, when all I really      *
* That's a sign of the nation's * wanted in this life was to marry a *
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:16:10 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.

In article <1992Oct11.223521.23747@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
 
>
>Elizabeth-chan, nihongo ga hanaseru n desu ka.
            If you wish to communicate with me, Underdog dear, i recommend
 you use English, Russian, or German.  I never said i was fluent in Japanese
 (or perhpas the above is so much jibberish; it looks kinda Japanese, though).
 
>By the way, "Gai-jin" is a rude form of the polite word "Gaikokujin".
>"Gai-jin" means, literally, "The Outsider".
>
     A fellow here in town, who is fluent in Japanese, tells me a Westerner
 shouldn't want to be as "Gaikokujin".  If a Japanese refers to you that way,
 he sees you basically as a pet...not an individual in your own right.
 If you are called a Gai-jin, at least the fellow is recognizing that you
 have a share of autonomy...that you are your own person.
 
euclid
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: A (long!) reply ( was Re: Fork in the Road)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:09:08 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.

In article <1992Oct12.011005.18204@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
 
>must use a fake name to post it, then why should anyone spare the
             ~~ Sigh.  He either misses the  point or refuses to accept it.
  Your loss, Underdog.
 
>I'm sure that Elizabeth Kupfer is the real name.  Just do a
>"finger kupfer@uiuc.edu".
     Oh?  So you *do* know how to work with e-mail addresses afterall.  So
  have you been lazy these past few months, or is this competency newly
  acquired?
 
euclid
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 19:05:41 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
 <92285.154029U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <ogorman.718912705@unix1.tcd.ie>
 <92286.171925U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <ogorman.718983423@unix1.tcd.ie>
 <92287.214011U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <ogorman.719074436@unix1.tcd.ie>

In article <ogorman.719074436@unix1.tcd.ie>, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
says:

>Now Fuck off [tm].

Ah!  Not only is Ollie an ecumenist; today he is a child ecumenist.
When reason fails, one can always regress to epithets from the fourth grade.
(Btw, I think this phrase has been used before you have used it.  Therefore
the trademark simply does not apply.)

Touchy and trite; outa' sight!

I'll ask you again; will you get it right?

Touch of insanity?
Touch of auto-eroticism?
Touch of "crass"?
Touchy?
Touche'

Brady

P.S.  With all that anger Ollie is venting, he should not get
depressed this winter.  ;))  Is it particularly cloudy in Ireland
that you are so out of sorts Lucifuge?  Why, I have not seen this
kind of petulance in you in a long time.  Regrettable.  Usually
you are an advocate of reason.  But "fume on" if you must; that is
what this group is for:  an outlet....

>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>The Lord is my Shepherd..........................but I'm not a Sheep
>--------------------------ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie-----------------------

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~Brady Woodward PhD~=~=U56503@UICVM=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:49:47 GMT

alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>If you are involuntarily committed they can keep you as long as they like.
>If you go voluntarily and it turns out to be one of those institutional
>hell holes then they have to release you if you don't want to stay.

Depends where you live.  In PA they commit you for a specified length
of time (usually 90 days, I think); they can keep you as long as they
like, but they do have to keep having the hearings.  The bad news is that
they don't have to let you (or a lawyer representing you) in; it's a very
one-sided affair from all I've heard.

If you "voluntarily" check in and want to leave, they have the option to
keep you, against your will, for 5 days from the time you give written notice
of your intent to leave.  That's so they can seek an involuntary commitment
against you, which may result in you being there longer (because the clock
gets reset).

They will lie through their teeth about all this and let you believe you
have rights, including the right to leave and the right to legal counsel.
Do not believe them.

Monica
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 14:46:58 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Columbus Day: Start? Winter Depression Season
 <1992Oct12.134624.19342@solace.hsh.se>
 <1992Oct14.125532.10703@linus.mitre.org> <Bw6v1F.1sG@NCoast.ORG>

In article <Bw6v1F.1sG@NCoast.ORG>, brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct14.125532.10703@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>(Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct12.134624.19342@solace.hsh.se> tomten@solace.hsh.se (Kare .
>H
>Pettersson) writes:
>>>In <92285.163549U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>>
>>>>People on ASH this summer were happy and cheerful in part.
>
>Probably just a coincidence that college campuses were nearly empty
>then!

No, I don't think it is at all.  But, regulars who were depressed
in the winter were not in the summer, and many of them have nothing
to do with college campuses.  Yes, there is life going on outside
college campi!  Who'd a "thunk" it?  After a while, one can learn to
live beyond college I guess--or in spite of college.

Brady

>--
>Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
>Cleveland, Ohio, USA

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~Brady Woodward PhD=~=~U56503@UICVM=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: gl_a252@titan.kingston.ac.uk
Subject: Re: ST
Organization: Kingston University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:18:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.084608.5410@bradford.ac.uk>, R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN) writes:
> Does anyone have the new Suicidal Tendencies album ?
> As a major ST fan I rushed out to buy it as soon as it was released.
> And it's wierd !!  Totally and utterly wierd...but damn good.
> Seems like old Mike Muir is (almost) happy with himself and life !!!
> 
> KHARE XXX

Nope, but I saw them last night at the London Town and Country Club, and they
really kicked ass. See my review (sort of) on alt.thrash.

-Neal (Yep - I made it through the summer, and I'm back)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:42:33 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct9.180828.13604@spdc.ti.com>, hughes@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Susan Hughes) writes:
>     Also, still depending on the state, what gives a therapist grounds to
> request a mental health warrant vary. They're also real secretive about
> what those limits are. I've never gotten a clear answer on where they draw
> the line, but possible strategies might be to call a shrink and/or Suicide
> Prevention and find out what they suggest for your *friend* that is acting
> depressed. If you ask for a commitment, they'll tell you when it's possible
> and when it's not. Check some of this out before you decide to forgo therapy 
> completely. I may never win any mental health awards, but my counselor has 
> helped with a lot of things. As a precaution, after one REAL bad experience
> with a power-junkie I saw before I got my current counselor, accurate info
> on the initial paperwork(name,address,phone) is optional for as long as you
> feel it necessary.
> 
	One thing to keep in mind- Caller ID. Might want to make such a 
call from a phone that can't be traced back to you (say, a pay phone, or a 
public-usage phone).
	-Allen
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 02:30:17 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Fork in the Road: Binary Decisions

In article <1992Oct10.050346.12190@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:

[Dwight's question:]

>   "How does one really know if a choice among alternatives is the
>    best?"

I think the real question is why does someone seek black and white,
absolute answers to things which are grey?

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=Brady Woodward ~=~ U56503@UICVM=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=