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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:40:58 EST
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Chinese bowling

In article <01GRC3715KYA98558I@ccmail.sunysb.edu>, ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu
(Anthony M. Begley) says:
>
>2) No offence here, but God I was beginning to get bored by the discussions on
>tthe Indian selection polic(I guesess I am just jealous you guys have so much o
>t
>discuss).
>
no offence taken. i'm sure r.s.c. at large is getting sick of the subject. its
a done deal now and no amount of carping or cribbing is going to change things.
another topic which is getting tiresome is the "dismissed on the 1st ball" one.
admittedly, i was one of the initial culprits, but now even i'm getting sick of
it, and god knows i'm a sucker for pointless statistics discussions.

(btw, the following nom de plume is being dropped from now on.)

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: CHINAMAN AND NOW YORKER AND FIELDING POSITIONS
Date: 22 Nov 1992 15:29:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Nov20.201924.20686@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> nas_ps@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

	Stuff deleted ....

>the yorker is delivered only by the fast bowler and it approaches to the batsman straightaway at the bottom of his bat and if he misses, the ball uproots the stumps.  
>(straightaway meaning without any pitch)  Am I right ?  If so, there is a very fine
>line between the full toss and yorker.  Explanation and discussion is sought from
>the knowledgeable members.

	the yorker is an intentional full length delivary ( a full toss)
	in which the batsman gets into trouble because of his own error
	of judgement of length of the delivary. It is usually
	bowled in a dipping trajectory in the legs(pads) of a batsman.


	A batsman can york himself if he misjudges the length of the ball.
	So a batsman can get yorked by a slow blowler too.
	On the other hand if he judges the length of the delivary well
	he can convert the ball into a proper full toss and smash
	it for a boundary. (Remember Viv Richards : World cup 79 final
	swung a Mike Hendrick yorker length delvary for 6, the final ball
	of the innings)


	shivanand Bhajekar
From: sutton@dart.ece.cmu.edu (Peter Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Flogging dead chinamen (sic)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:13:21 GMT
Reply-To: sutton@dart.ece.cmu.edu (Peter Sutton)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: sutton@dart.ece.cmu.edu


In article <1ep4lvINNdak@nyquist.usc.edu>, shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar) writes:
>In article <01GRDOTDJYHU9859BS@ccmail.sunysb.edu> ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley) writes:
>	Stuff deleted.......
>
>>PS Still noone can name just one LH WRIST spinner !! Surely there must have been 
>>one somewhere, even if not in test cricket. If so did he have a chinaman?
>
>	There was a famous West Indian Batsman who bowled occasionally.
>	Roy Fredricks : He gad a good " Chinaman"
>
>	Shivanand bhajekar

I'm sure I can remember David Hookes bowling them too.  My memory's a bit
hazy though. Perhaps someone with a better memory can confirm this.

Peter
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From: nkrishna@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu (Naveen Krishna)
Subject: Re: SA Tour Predictions : Humour Impaired & Brain Dead hit n now
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:16:29 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

I totally agree with Venkat. I was wondering why Shastri was still in the Indian team. Hope he gets good offer frm Mongolia, Thailand, China etc.

Good Luck Shastri.

Naveen
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: He's going to Madras
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:45:21 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <744@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:

>I will be in Madras next week and will be watching the second
>test from there.

You lucky devil...

Mahesh.
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From: nkrishna@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu (Naveen Krishna)
Subject: Re: Amre should be dropped for the next test!
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:51:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla


I was surprised to see this sort of an attitude from a fellow Indian (here!!.).
Just because there is no player worth mentioning (from TN) now-a-daysis no reason to drop Amre. Raman got his chance and did not prove himself. Amre has. I think we should think of the team as a whole and not state-wise. Ofcourse, there is room only for 11 states to be represented. Why not consider dropping Shastri (dismal performance - I am sure most people with a little knowledge of cricket (all) will agree.

Ravi sorry if I hurt your feelings for TN, but that's the ways thing are and hope will go on

Naveen
From: krgjus01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA vs India D2 17h00
Date: 14 Nov 92 21:58:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Nov14.195839.203275
Organization: University of Cape Town

The latest from kingsmead is that bad light has stopped play.
This is to the relief of the Indians who are battling at 128/6.
Donald has been very dissapointing - both short and wide.While both Mcmillan
and Schultz have been impressive.

Go the Boks !!   :)

Justin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: ganesh@cs.albany.edu (Ganesh Murugesan)
Subject: Re: century on debut
Originator: ganesh@watson.albany.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, SUNY at Albany, Albany, NY 12222
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.202417.17784@news.uakron.edu> murali@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) writes:


> did azhar score century on debut -- ? could someone clarify for me please
> cotah
> 

Yes. Azhar scored three centuries in his first three tests.

1.  107 in Calcutta  against David Gower's England  First Innings
2.  116 at Madras    ---do ---                      Second Innings
3.  120 at Kanpur                                   First Innings.

Ganesh
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From: rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Amre should be dropped for the next test!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:15:43 GMT
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Naveen Krishna (nkrishna@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu) wrote:
: 
: I was surprised to see this sort of an attitude from a fellow Indian (here!!.).
: Just because there is no player worth mentioning (from TN) now-a-daysis no reason to drop Amre. Raman got his chance and did not prove himself. Amre has. I think we should think of the team as a whole and not state-wise. Ofcourse, there is room only for 11 states to be represented. Why not consider dropping Shastri (dismal performance - I am sure most people with a little knowledge of cricket (all) will agree.
: 
: Ravi sorry if I hurt your feelings for TN, but that's the ways thing are and hope will go on
: 
: Naveen
:
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Best Indian XI   (Re: Amre should be dropped)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:26:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: wavefron.761
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA


Since my last posting on "Amre should be dropped" ( I have
reprints in case you missed it), I've been receiving tons and 
tons of mail as you might imagine. Some people have been asking 
me to post a `balanced' Indian XI. Balanced in terms of region,
weight, height, language, zodiac signs, etc, etc. Quite a few 
folks have also been asking me to punctuate every line with 
something that looks like this  ":-)", whatever that means, for 
the humor impaired, whatever that means.

Well, I am going to do neither. I'm instead going to post
what in my opinion has been the Best Indian XI in recent
years.

 Best Indian XI (In recent times)
 --------------------------------

    Name                        NOTES
    ----                        -----

 1. Arun Lal (capt)      His batting avg will make B.S. Chandrasekhar proud.
 2. Pronob Roy           His batting avg will make Arun Lal proud.
 3. M.L. Narasimha Rao   He has all the strokes in the world, including
                         a single handed snick over the slips.
 4. Kirti Azad           Send him in only when the spinners bowl. If they never
                         get to bowl - take Sekhar's help to hurt retire him. 
 5. Surinder Khanna (wk) With his acrobatics, the slip fielders had better
                         watch out.
 6. Yajurvendra Singh    Should not field - Captain's orders. Allowed to
                         bat, bowl, bring drinks - but never field.
 7. Dhiraj Parsanna      Can bowl real fast - can also bowl spin - leg
                         spin, off spin, googly, chinaman whatever.
 8. Suru Nayak           His tantalizing leg spins are a nightmare.
                         Ask the close-in fielders.
 9. T.A. Sekhar          Bowls real, real fast. Only don't let him bowl
                         2 consecutive overs - he has asthma.
10. Dilip Doshi          You'd better give him bowling. Otherwise, he'll start
                         bowling from the outfield. Excellent fielder too.
11. Bharath Reddy        A few of you might question the inclusion of a second
                         keeper. But those of you who've seen Khanna keep won't 

12th man: Sandip Patil   Will field except when S. Nayak bowls - At that 
                         time, he'll field outside the stadium.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: shahak@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: fastest hundred
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:25:33 GMT

hi!
I think the fastest hundred was made by Viv Richards in 
56 deliveries, against england in the series which england
lost all five test matches in West indies.
bye

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From: D.I.Patel@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Excellent Summary
Reply-To: D.I.Patel@lut.ac.uk (Lord of the Lords)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.131344.28583@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> nas_ps@jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Feroz must be complimented for his excellent summary of the 1st test between India
>and SA.  I am sure that other memmbers of this group will join me in congratulating
>him.  Keep up the good work.
>
>
>Pradip Shah General Electric  USA

Hear Hear.  Yes a most excellent summary.
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: More about Sandeep Patil
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:50:11 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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		More about Sandeep Patil

  His centuries included:

174  vs Aus at Adelaide in 1980-81
129* vs Eng at Manchester in 1982 (including 6 4s in an over)
110+   vs SL at Madras in 1982-83
120+   vs Pak at Faisalabad in 1984-85
  
  One point that no one seems to have mentioned is that he asked not to be
considered for the tour of WI in 1982-83, as he said that he was facing a
lot of personal problems at that time (as he was in the process of getting
divorced). He was, in fact, dropped from the team a number of times.
  Although his first marriage didn't work out, the second one seems to be
intact. In between he was romantically linked to various women such as
Debashree Roy (who is probably best known outside Bengal for her role in
"36 Chowringhee Lane").

  A footnote for Murali Iyer-he should be particularly worried about
Sandeep Patil's career. So should anyone else born around August 18 :-)
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA v Ind T1 D5 Tea
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:00:18 -0600
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India v SA T1 D5

    The latest score at Tea:

     SA are 131 for 2. Hudson was caught by More off Srinath for 55. Wessels at
27 and Kirsten with 0 are at the crease


     SA in their second innings are 80 for 1. Cook was out caught and bowled by
Kumble for 43.

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From: sens@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Sunando Sen)
Subject: Re: Chinaman
Summary: Absolutely nothing to do with BCCI's selection policy
Keywords: Chinaman, Spin, Left Handed
Organization: New York University
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:02:06 GMT

Sorry to throw some more confusion into the matter, but I am not inclined 
agree with the "Chinaman is a left arm bowler's equivalent of a googlie."  I 
seem to recall that a Chinaman comes into a right handed batsman, i.e., an "
off spinner" to him, but disguised as a "normal" delivery, i.e., a "leg 
spinner" to the batsman.  The reason is, there do not seem to be many left 
arm spinners who consistenly bowl leg spinners, i.e., armers.  I also seem 
to remember that Vinoo Mankad was one of the very few left arm spinners who 
could actually bowl a Chinaman.  Even Bedi did not, or could, not usually 
bowl a chinaman.  Left arm spinners also do not seem to be able to bowl top 
spinners like some right arm leg spinners can.  Can any one confirm the last 
two?

Cheers,

Sunando Sen
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: cricket quiz
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:44:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <zj*1Hoam=a@atlantis.psu.edu> VGC@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Venu Gopal Chalamgari) writes:
>
>  Hai,
>       I have the following questions, for which i dont have an answer
> could any one answer these
>1.who is the only bowler in the world who has given 6 direct byes( only one
>bounce on the pitch the second one over the fence)



If I remember correctly from David Frith's "The Fast Men", this was 
done by a bowler called Kortright in the mid-nineteenth century.  It
has never happened in a test or first-class match.


Saad.



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From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Re: SA vs India End of Day 1
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:28:30 GMT

In article <msains.26.721760275@ibis.ru.ac.za> msains@ibis.ru.ac.za (Malcolm Sainsbury) writes:
>SA 254 all out
>
>India 128 for 6 when bad light stopped play

You sure it wasn't "Bad play stopped light"?
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From: guptar@ucs.orst.edu (Rakesh Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Ind Vs SA - 1st Test Question
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:09:47 -0600
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How come the rainy day (fourth day) was not used as rest day so that play
could have taken place for two more days.  I think it has been done in the
past where rest day was used as play day because one play day was wasted
in rain.???????????

rakesh gupta
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From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: CHINAMAN AND NOW YORKER AND FIELDING POSITIONS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:56:28 GMT

In <1992Nov23.135129.26886@news.columbia.edu> pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:

>>Promised fielding positions diagram (artistic licence claimed):

[diagram deleted]
[incidentally, you forgot long leg]

>SH= Straight Hit

	This one, I've never seen used. Is it possible to field in this
position? Would the fielder not be right in front of the sightscreen and
therefore distract the batsman ?

	Secondly, in my observation, Long On/Off is usually finer (straighter)
than MidOn/Off ( not a flame - artistic license granted :-> ) And first slip
is deeper than WK or second slip.

>Cheers, Paul
>Flames expected, and cheerfully returned.


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From: Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SA vs India (2nd Test)
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:03:43 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <168A7C580.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
>I think reality is going to hit home when the Indians find the going tough
>at the Wanderers. Praveen Amre had bailed them out in the first test, and
>again against the Presidents X1, but how long can this continue for?
> 
>If Alan Donald stikes form, and Brian McMillan playing the way he is,
                                       ^^^^^^^^

	I really don't think the Indians are going to have sleepless nights
worrying about McMillan. He took three wickets in the first test which is
almost as many as he took in an entire season, the last time I saw him play.

As for Donald, he's good but he's no Curtly Ambrose or the two W's from
Pak.The trouble with Donald is that he's too erratic and more
importantly, inconsistent.

BTW, reality hit home a long time ago :-(

>the chaaros are in for alot of trouble.
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From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: More about Sandeep Patil
Date: 18 Nov 1992 03:20:26 GMT
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In article <1ec7gjINNhtn@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>		More about Sandeep Patil
>
>  His centuries included:
>
>174  vs Aus at Adelaide in 1980-81
>129* vs Eng at Manchester in 1982 (including 6 4s in an over)
>110+   vs SL at Madras in 1982-83
>120+   vs Pak at Faisalabad in 1984-85
>  
>  One point that no one seems to have mentioned is that he asked not to be
>considered for the tour of WI in 1982-83, as he said that he was facing a
>lot of personal problems at that time (as he was in the process of getting

Sandeep Patil also ventured into movies and magazines, but seems to have
quickly withdrawn from the former. The magazine is a marathi sports magazine,
with a title sounding somewhat like "shatkar"? Another sixer, I guess it
translates into. Patil also suffered from a shoulder problem which practically
took away his throwing ability. 

>divorced). He was, in fact, dropped from the team a number of times.

This is what I was trying to say when I said his 29 tests were not at a
stretch. 

>  Although his first marriage didn't work out, the second one seems to be
>intact. In between he was romantically linked to various women such as
>Debashree Roy (who is probably best known outside Bengal for her role in
>"36 Chowringhee Lane").
>
>  A footnote for Murali Iyer-he should be particularly worried about
>Sandeep Patil's career. So should anyone else born around August 18 :-)
>

Thank God my wife is not mad about cricket now!!! If she had been reading
Ajai's  article, she would have found added justification to her argument that
I am bound to get the "seven year itch". 

Why do celebrities/well-known people who were born around that date get
involved in something like this? Rajeev Gandhi .... everyone knows what
happened to him. Now Ajai speaks of Sandeep Patil's problems with his first
marriage. Only Bill Clinton is yet to come under the influence of the 
"Mid-August Crisis". 

Anyway, enough of non-cricket matters (before anyone else yells at me). 

-Murali
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: NZ v SL President's XI
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:08:23 -0600
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NZ v SL Board President's XI

     SL Board President's XI defeated the touring NZ side by 17 runs in their
first tour fixture. NZ won the toss and put SL team to bat. They scored 181 for
7 in their 45 overs and NZ fell short by 18 runs to win it. The sixth wicket
partnership between ?? (scored 47) and Harris yielded 61 runs.



Ind v SAI Day 4 tea

      SAI closed the game scoring 129 for 1, with Yakker (sp?) scoring 64 and
Rushmere at 64 not out.

      Just before tea, India declared their second innings at 312 for 8, opting
for batting practice.  Today, Manjrekar and Chetan Sharma had a 48 partnership
with Sharma scoring 18 runs. Manjrekar was left not out with 102. SAI needs to
score 344 runs in 49 overs.
From: fkhan@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Feroz Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: QUESTION: Best bowling figures.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:10:09 +0200
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Hi there Netters

Here's a question for you:

     What is the most number of wickets taken in a Test by 
     any bowler in both innings? (i.e which bowler, when,
     where and the figures for the bowler).

Please mail me at fkhan@daisy.ee.und.ac.za and I will post a summary some
time.

Thanx 
Feroz

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