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From: pj_pycro@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (PJ Pycroft)
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Subject: Noise Recognition Systems
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:20:47 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

Hello netters,

I'm trying to set up a project on noise recognition systems, recognize some
form of noise such as siren (police, fire etc.), alarm signal or any other
warning noise which will alert a deaf person.

I'm thinking of using Signal Processing and Neural Network for detecting
above noise and will be using parallel processing such as Transputers
and DSP (perhaps, I will be using Transputers instead of DSP).

I would be grateful if you had any ideas/info' of using Signal Processing
and Neural Network (both hardware and software) for the above project - any
hints would be grateful obtained.

Where shall I get the info'/material of Richard P. Lippmann's work on sound
alerting aid for the deaf, signal processing for hearing aids and relating
info'.

I'm a profoundly deaf postgraduate student doing M.Sc. in Parallel Computing
Systems.

Thanks for your help.

Paul

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From:         Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      D/deaf

The Deaf/deaf distinction is definitely not just a deaf-l-ism.  I've
known about it for years, and I'm fairly new to deaf-l.  All the deaf
folks I know (both D- and d-identified) are acutely aware of the
difference. And none of them even use computers.  It matches similar
distinctions made in other communities: the black/Black distinction,
for example.  I am curious when these distinctions began, and who
started it.  It's true, the difference is unpronounceable.  And
indistinguishable in fingerspelling, I might add!

Of course, the upper case letters used in all proper nouns in English
are unpronounceable.  But we very carefully capitalize words like
French, Jewish, Europe, and North America.  It's hard to tell exactly
what merits upper case-- here we have a nation, a religion/ethnic
group, an area that encompasses several nations, and a body of land.
We even have some homophonous ones: south Africa is not exactly the
same as South Africa.  And east Germany is clearly different from East
Germany.

Many Deaf people believe that the culture and community provided by
the deaf world provide the same type of impact that common nationality
or religion provide, and therefore merit a capitalized word.  It is
interesting to think about who decides what words should be
capitalized in English.  It shows what cultures are recognized by
whoever it is that makes that decision.

There are branches of thought (among them many feminists) who defy the
hierarchalizing of groups, giving some the honor of upper case, and
not others.  Writers from these groups don't capitalize anything
(except the first word in a sentence, for reading clarity).  Sometimes
they'll capitalize individuals' names.  I guess their writing would
lose the Deaf/deaf distinction!

Annie :*)
(annie@psyche.mit.edu)
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From: 11mwarner@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re:      RE: Sex in Akron?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:45:14 GMT

In article <9209012048.AA04686@magic.AUX.APPLE.COM>,         Vicki Brown <vlb@MAGIC.AUX.APPLE.COM> writes:
>>       Can you tell me which handshape is used for "Akron" and "sex"?

Hmmm, I'm a native of the Buckeye state and I know the signs for the major
cities (Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo (my home), etc. but I've never run across
the sign for Akron.
 
>>       I do not know the sign for "Akron" but I can guess that the
>>handshape for "Akron" is 'a'.  If I am correct, then, it is much
>>different from other handshape 'x' which I used for "sex".  The
>>start and end locations and movement for these two words are same,
>>though.

Sounds reasonable if there is the confusion like that.
> 
> OK, now I'm really wondering.  "X" handshape?? The sign I know for the word
> glossed as SEX uses a "V" handshape (like the legs of 2 little people... :-)

Now for the one that I wanted to comment on: *big grin*.  Let's just put it
this way.  The "X" handshape sign is the one that you would use in more polite
company, whereas the "V" handshape is the "dirtier" version.  Hope this helps.
 
							PSYCHO

11MWARNER@gallua.gallaudet.edu

A .sig file?  Puhleeeze!  I don't need those pigeon droppings at the bottom of
a post!

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From:         -- <sipb7@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why not try it?
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              20 Aug 92 11:01:51 -0400. <9208201507.AA22028@Athena.MIT.EDU>

      Dave Windley says:
      It should come to no surprise that I am also a staunch advocate
      of residential schools [for LGBs] as well, and for the exact
      same reasons.  Like D/deaf persons, people who are LGB face a
      tremendous challenge in dealing with seemingly inherent bigotry
      and prejudice of the majority of people.

Parents, teachers, and school administrators should teach *all* their
students, from nursery school up, that homosexual relationships are
just as morally valid as heterosexual ones, and that homophobic
behavior (in the form of "fag" insults, etc.) is just as
*un*acceptable as racist behavior.

In communities where this happens, there is no *need* for most LGB
kids to go to a residential school.  In communities where it doesn't,
the school officials will not *want* to spend extra money to send LGB
kids to such a school--unless the "school" is part of a mental
institution whose express purpose is to "straighten them out".

Note that if a mainstream school took this approach to teach their
hearing students about deafness and Deaf culture, but very few of
those kids were interested in learning ASL, many deaf kids in that
school district would still need to go to a residential school--all
their peers' good intentions and lack of prejudice wouldn't erase
the *communication* barrier that an isolated deaf child with poor
speechreading skills has.

      Contrary to a recent posters comment, people who are LGB have
      not made any progress at all in that direction.

Bullshit.

I work as an overnight counselor at a dorm with emotionally disturbed
teenage boys.  My co-workers, my supervisor, and the principal of my
school know I am bisexual.  If they all retire, and their replacements
have a problem with my sexuality, they cannot legally fire me just for
being queer; the Massachusetts Civil Rights Act protects me.

My home state, and my employer, are more liberal-minded than most
other places in the US.  But the presence of these niches is a sign of
real progress.  Twenty-five years ago, an openly gay or bisexual man
was about as employable in the education field as a convicted rapist;
maybe even less employable.

--
::: A fundamentalist preacher who can't read Hebrew deserves as much  :::
::: attention as a heart surgeon who has never handled a stethoscope. :::
seth gordon  <sipb7@athena.mit.edu>   . . . these opinions for rent
the learning center for deaf children . . . associate teacher-counselor
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:42:11 -0700
From:         Vicki Brown <vlb@MAGIC.AUX.APPLE.COM>
Subject:      Fun with language (vowels)
              03 Sep 92 14:28:01 -0400. <9209031352.AA23991@apple.com>

> seth gordon:
>But ... but ... but ... Y can be a vowel....

> henry adler:
>The letter "y" can sound like a vowel, but it is still a consonant.
>(Just looking for fun...)

me:
I learned "a e i o u and sometimes y" so I guess y could be considered a vowel.
(sometimes :-)

For real fun though, one of my favorite words is cwm (that's not misspelled).
(a narrow valley or deep hollow) It's Welsh, borrowed into English with no
change in spelling.  In Welsh the W is *really* a "double-u" (or more like
double-o :-)
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:10:39 -0400
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Interesting conversation....

Oh, it was Seth!  Sorry, I didn't see your name among the several lines of
stuff at the bottom of your post.  No one can claim that there aren't stupic,
(sorry) stupid, thoughtless, indifferent, clumsy, unknowledgeable,
indifferent, etc, etc, etc, people in the world.  Even I, usually fairly
well informed and careful :-} can do and say dumb things.  :-) 8-) 8-}

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:32:23 EDT
From:         -- <sipb7@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tongue shape
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    (Tuva was part of the former Soviet empire amd may be found next to
    Outer Mongolia and has the unique distinction of having its capital
    city containg no vowels in its spelling: Kyzyl)

But ... but ... but ... Y can be a vowel....

--
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::: attention as a heart surgeon who has never handled a stethoscope. :::
seth gordon  <sipb7@athena.mit.edu>   . . . these opinions for rent
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From:         DDBT23@UPVAX.ULSTER.AC.UK
Subject:      tongue position
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Ok, so the general idea of making speech-therapist-less speech training may
be a bit damaging, but only in the short term. The general ULTIMATE goal
is the production of unassisted speech training for the deaf. Research has
shown that despite some training systems being available, the carry-over
for the deaf from normal training sessions to everyday conversation has been
quite low. However, with the right feedback (display of tongue position, etc),
and with a good-enough system, a device could be developed which allows
out of laboratory training (practice makes perfect, after all!).

The tongue position display cuurently works in real time, and does not
require any invasive methods (microphone only) and in fact that was one of the
specification ideas for a prototype (after all, for use for all ages, children
included, it might be a tad intimidating if transducers were introduced to the
mouth.

As for comparison with other systems currently on the market, well, my
background in speech therapy is quite low. Correct me if I'm wrong
but instruments like VisiPitch, etc are all specialised devices which do
a single job. This device will incorporate these in as well in real time
(possibly including lip rounding displays, pitch detectors, etc.).

By the way, forgive me for not including parts of the previous conversation
within this message. The VMS editor used here is truly awful :-).

	Regards,
	Martin Powderly

	ddbt23@upvax.ulster.ac.uk

	"Like think it twice but never, never learn"
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:40:35 -0400
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Korea

Yong Che:

How do you communicate with others speaking a tonal language?  It seems to
me that anyone, born deaf or late deafened (or hard of hearing, for that
matter) would have even worse problems with understanding a tonal language
than exist in understanding (by speech-reading or whatever) a language like
English, which is not basically tonal.  Is their a sign language for Korean?
It can't be tonal, can it?  BTW, I'm not sounding hostile (in my mind) as
I ask these questions.  I'd just never thought of the issue before and, it
seems to me that the problems of communicating with others must be much worse
in a tonal language than they are in English or other Western language.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:37:37 BST
From:         Bosco Keown <KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      tongue shape
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Ref:  Martin's posting of Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:19:00 BST

Martin, I think Tilak can help you with the basilar membrane
modelling bit. His lot at JHU are heavily into such things.

Thanks for the explanation on how tongue shape can be retrieved
from the speech signal. I never knew that, and it was extremely
interesting. Now I'm wondering if the reverse can be implemented.
For example, could some kind of direct measurement of tongue shape
and position assist in the speech recognition process?

I can't think of any use for a 3-D visualisation, except that
linguists might be interested in it as a tool for analysing tongue
movements in different dialects of the same language or for accent prediction.
It might be helpful to musicians such as flautists, and other wind
instrument musicians, as correct tongue position does have some bearing on
ones ability to play these instruments.

Cheers,
Bosco.

John Bosco Keown,
IBM UK Laboratories, Ltd., Hursley Park, Winchester, England.,
Internet: keown@winvmc.vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:53:26 EDT
From:         ABBH000 <ABBH@CATCC.BITNET>

Hello everyone!
Thanks to the help of Dave, Matt and Stephen I was able to get in on the
Deaf-L discussion.  Thanks!
     I'm Becky Holman and I live in Columbia, Maryland.  I work at
Catonsville Community College as their Interpreter Coordinator (not
to be confused with the head of the Interpreter Training Program).
I am a hearing person.  My brother is Deaf and lives in Phoenix, AZ.
His name is Mark Wrightsman. Instead of being a CODA, I guess you can
call me a SODA (Sister or Sibling of a Deaf Adult).  I thought it would
be interesting to see what people are saying about the topics that
everyone has argued about for ages and also get the latest info on all
the new "hot" topics.  I am somewhat familiar with computers so please
bear with me if I make any awful errors and let me know what I do wrong,
constructively, please.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:16:00 -0700
From:         "Bryce Carey, CNS,
              Admin. Sys. Group" <CAREY_B@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Poll Results Regarding Terminology

From: Carey_b@cubldr.colorado.edu

Roy,

It surprises me a little you only have two responses so far. I thought
other deaf people were anxious to label themselves. >:-}

My favorite terminology is one suggested to me by a hearing friend
to whom I related this issue. He suggested that the phrase could
be
        "Near Deaf"

Which of course would include anyone and everyone, including, if one
pleases, hearing friends, associates and interpreters who make an
issue out of hearing impairment.

As for me, my preferred term is simply:

-Bryce


(p.s. No, there isn't anything missing!)
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:57:38 JST
From:         KAERI Kim YongChe <yckim@SORAK.KAIST.AC.KR>
Subject:      Re: Korea
              92 9:45 pm

Seth Gordon,

Very simple answers to your questions:

> (1) Are you posting from Korea?

      Yes, I am posting from Korea.

> (2) If so, is Korean a "tonal" language, like Chinese, Japanese, and
>     Vietnamese?

      That's right.

> (3) How the hell does *anyone* born deaf learn to speechread a tonal language?

      I was not born deaf. I was totally deafened at the age of 41.

      Are your curiosities now cleared? Thanks for the questions.

 Yong Che  <yckim@sorak.kaist.ac.kr>
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:16:00 EDT
From:         David James <ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Speechreading (was: Korean)

Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>:

  Of course, there do exist tonal languages and some deaf people do
  speechread them.  I suspect they just deal (not always easy, I'm sure
  and figure out what the tones are by context, some facial and body
  expression, etc.  They just don't have access to the tones, just the
  way English speechreaders don't have access to the voiced/voiceless
  consonant distinction.  Of course, anyone who knows better, correct m
  if I'm wrong.  This is just my hunch.

Take it from a lipreader: this is almost exactly right. I rather doubt
that speechreaders of tonal languages figure out what the _tones_ are
by context, etc. any more than I figure out what individual unheard/
unlipread consonants are -- instead, they and I figure out _entire
phrases and sentences_ from what information we do receive. The
unperceived sounds are not reconstructed, they're done without; the net
effect of this, along with the ambiguity of some sounds that are
perceived, is that spoken language contains many more homophones for a
speechreader than for someone with normal hearing. I'm pretty sure that
speechreaders deal with homophones the same way normal-hearing people
do, they just have to do it more.

By "homophone" I mean not only individual words that sound alike (to,
two, too; for a lipreader, eight, nine, ten) but entire phrases that
sound alike. The point of the title of Henry Kisor's autobiography is
that "What's that pig outdoors?" and "What's that big loud noise?" are
homophonic for him.  I'm sure there are sentences that are homophonic
for normal-hearing people, and I would be interested in any examples
anyone may have.

--David James
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:14:01 -0400
From:         Henry Adler <adler@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      re: tongue shape

Re: Tongue Shape

Hey, Martin,

I find your studies in the role of tongue shaping in speech interesting.
As for going on a different direction such as trying to find what makes the
human basilar membrane "tick,"  I recommend "Experiments in Hearing" by Dr.
Georg von Bekesy.  This book is a compilation of experiments on the basilar
membrane and the experiments are not limited to human ears.  Although the
book was published in 1960 (and reprinted in 1989), it expertly describes the
structural and functional properties of the basilar membrane.  To many Ph.Ds
and graduate students in the hearing science, the book is a classic.

If you have any questions, just ask me.  I hope you will enjoy the book.

Regards,

Henry Adler

adler@mscf.med.penn.edu

P.S. Von Bekesy was (and is still) the only hearing expert who won the Nobel
Prize in Medicine for his work.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:19:49 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      winging it in the classroom

Cathy --

     I haven't read a word from you that gave any indication you're a
rightwinger.
     Your philosophy of education for hearing-impaired children -- and, in
particular, your statement to the effect that whether they succeed in
school is less important than whether they succeed in life -- is exactly
the same as mine. Yet I identify so strongly with leftwingers that I cannot
even look at the right side of roast turkey.

     I don't think that having insight and common sense about educating
hearing-impaired children has anything to do with being rightwing or
leftwing.
     And I think your students are extremely fortunate to have a teacher
who has a practical, real-world outlook. You obviously know exactly *why*
those children are coming to school every day and sitting in your
classroom. You know the problems they're going to face when they graduate,
and you want to make sure they are best equipped to overcome those
problems.
     A lot of leftwingers believe in self-reliance, too.
     More power to you.

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:42:47 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      the title

     To those of you who are glad to see me back: thanks.
     To those of you who aren't: that's life.

     Many people have asked me about the title of my book. I think it's a
great title -- but I can't post it.
     The reason: a title cannot be copyrighted. This means that anybody
could simply appropriate it before my book is published, and then it would
look as though *I* copied it from *him*.
     As for when it will hit the bookstores: it's in the hands of my agent
in L.A. Now it's up to him to peddle it to a publisher.

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:06:09 EDT
From:         Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      cia and soapboxes

Of course, if the speaker from the soapbox got enough of a following,
they could start an army, or a revolution.  As soon as the crowds
started to get big, leaders from the government and from the churches
could go listen, and if the message was too threatening, arrange to
silence the speaker.

Here it may not be obvious how much of a following a poster has.  But
it is easy to search for content.  Internet mail, on route to its
destination in your emailbox, gets scanned by government software for
certain keywords (such as drugs, revolution, assassination...) and any
posts that contain these words get dumped into a file to be read by
government agents.

Don't think it doesn't happen!  Remember that it is the military
budget that maintains these free computer networks!  And they don't
even have to shove you off a sopbox anymore.  They could *audit* you!
horrors!

In fact, since I have some of those very words in this post, I am sure
the CIA is listening in right now.  Hiya, Uncle Sam!

Annie
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