From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: This Is As Difficult To Explain As Putting A Trash Can In... 'Tri*.'
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:41:00 GMT


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c23st@kocrsv01.delecoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)

>If the EEC did not benefit from Greece, you think we would still be in
>it?  

This is as difficult to explain as putting a trash can in the guest
room.

>The EEC stands to ruin much of the greek economy by its
>elimination or drastic reduction of various taxes (i.e. car tax,
>luxury taxes) and its requirement for reduced bureacracy, improved
>efficiency, standardizations, accountability, etc) The subsidies help
>but then everyone else in the EEC gets them, right? Italians get them,
>Spaniards get them, French get them...

As the proverb goes, 'you profit when you repair the damage.' That's
why Turkiye is seeking new economic and political ties with far-away
and close regional countries as a possible alternative to a 
partnership with the EC.

>> Turkiye, 
>> having no access at all to similar financial supports, has nevertheless 
>> managed to create a better economy which enabled it to produce 
>> consecutive current accounts surplus over the last two years. 

>I wonder what consecutive current accounts surplus is. English please?

The difference between exports of goods and services and imports
of goods and services is known as the 'current account balance.'
It is usually called 'current account' for short. In a nut shell,
a country's current account balance equals the change in its net
foreign wealth. Hard to believe?

>> Source: 'United Nations, Human Development Report,' 1990.
>> 
>> Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to Purchasing Power
>> Parity: Turkiye, Greece and Chile are in the same category. That
>> is, $3,000 - $5,999. 
>> 
>> Source: 'International Economics: Theory and Policy' by Paul R.
>>         Krugman and Maurice Obstfeld, Harper Collins Publishers,
>>         1991, (second edition).
>> 
>> In terms of 'Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to 
>> Purchasing Power Parity,' Greece is in the same category with 
>> Turkiye.

>Source: 1991 World Almanac (all common mortals can afford/understand)

Here we go again. GNP per capita does not provide information essential
for studying why some countries are rich while some are poor since all
countries' price levels are not equal when measured in terms of the
same currency. That's why 'all common mortals' and 'World Almanac'
cannot understand the importance of Purchasing Power Parity. World 
Almanac on international economics? Read less.      

>[Aw Gawd. I became like him, I actually fetched all this from the library
>and typed it in. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!]

How much time could you have saved if ... (see above reference.)

>Turkiye's economy may be in better financial shape by competing with
>China for cheap labor source. I see plenty of "Made in Turkiye" stuff
>in the US, though most of it actually says "Made in Turkey". Of course

Funny you should mention. Indeed, during the last 10 years, 
Turkiye registered a great success with regard to economic 
restructuring. A sound economy, ready to be integrated to 
the world economies, has emerged, succeeding to the faltering 
one, witnessed in the '70s.

Just 10 years ago, Greece used to export double as much as 
Turkiye did. Now inversely, Turkiye's overall exports exceed 
by far that of Greece. As far as the tourism incomes are 
concerned, we are witnessing the same phenomenon. 

The governments in Turkiye have put a particular emphasis on 
the infrastructure investments (rather than investing in
world terrorist organizations), thereby solving this issue 
completely. Indeed, in the '70s, it was out of the question 
to conduct a telephone call from Eastern Anatolia to the West. 
Nowadays, this is not the case at all, and in a far remote 
town, even in a village you may have, at any time, a long-distance 
call to any given country.

However, the same could not be applied to Greece. In fact,
it is not so easy in Athens to have a trunk call to Germany
round the clock. And if you happen to be in the Greek islands,
then your chance will be pretty slim. Therefore, it would not
be an exaggeration to argue that Turkiye is far ahead of 
Greece in regard to telecommunication facilities. Greece,
by virtue of its full membership, has enjoyed all advantages
of the EC, obtaining huge grants and extensive subsidies. 
Turkiye, having no access at all to similar financial supports,
has nevertheless managed to create a better economy which 
enabled it to produce consecutive current accounts surplus
over the last two years. As such, Turkiye deserves to be the
only country in its region having permanent current accounts
surplus. 

Need I go on? Why not? Now, let me cite another striking
example of the economic viability of Turkiye, which nobody 
should have overlooked. Just 10 years ago Turkiye begged
Luxembourg, this small country, for getting as much a 
peanut loan as 100,000 dollars extended. They left those 
dark days behind them. And today Turkiye is in a position 
to extent credit lines to the x-USSR and Iran, 750 million 
dollars and 400 million dollars, respectively. 

Until 1980, Turkiye did not have the privilege of
possessing a color TV set legally imported into the
country. That was due to the lack of hard currency.

Today, there are more than one million color TV units
in the country. More than one million sets are exported 
yearly, all of them being produced locally. 

As for cars, steel, ...
Should I continue? Perhaps some other time.
Relax and watch out. 

>people are buying plenty, traveling plenty, and spending plenty. I
>trust everyone in Turkey can afford all these items, after all, we are
>all in the same "Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to
>Purchasing Power Parity", arent' we? 

Looking at matters from this standpoint, it behoves us to assess
the advantages which Turkiye enjoys. The country's primary advantages
are its geographical position, wage levels and availability of manpower.
Other advantages are natural resources, productive experience and
the infrastructure already in place. Take a trip and enjoy it.

>Being from Greece I particularily appreciate facts such as life
>expectancy and availability of health care. I do not particularily
>like the huge deficits but most are due to Greeks' unsatiable hunger
>for imports. And Japanese or US imports, mind you, not EEC. And I
>do not like the fact that the Greek GOVERNMENT budget is 50% of
>GNP, but anyhow. 

You wish to hear the Turkiye's competitiveness in Ceramics, textiles,
contracting, glass, rubber, ship building, petrochemicals, cement,
iron and steel?

>This message pre-quoted for your convenience. I have no posting access
>to soc.culture.turkish so if you're kind enough to post it there I'd
>appreciate it. If you plan to answer I'll answer to polite and
>constructive messages but not to <smart-ass paragraph> <source>
><endless and usually pointless quote about dead people> <signature>
>type messages. 

You have a right to be in a non-abusive environment.

>I want to see what Hasan B. Mutlu thinks, not what he
>can recite. I also know that I'm wasting my time big time trying
>to argue with you, but I thought I'd give it the old college try.

Facts, 'Tri*,' facts.

>Please note proper abbreviation for last name is the regular
>expression 'Tria[a-z]*'. 

In C++ or C5?

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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