HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: From Chinese calendar to names (Re: Chinese Calendar..)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:02:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: zygote.CMM.0.90.2.703443753.jamesou


In <12255@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu)
writes:

>More precisely, every seven (7) leap months in nineteen (19) years.

I see, so that's the reason why my lunar calendar birthday and
solar calendar birthday bump into each other again every 19
years. They, sort of like "Gan1 Zhi1", have a cycle of 19 years.

Thanks. I learn something new again.
From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6/4, green card, etc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:27:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12171
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Apr13.022319.3080@acsu.buffalo.edu> chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:
>
>yourself a ticket back home. Or, borrow some from your uncle Yeltsin's 
>demo-fund if he agree to forget brade for a few weeks.

Do you think your grandfather Yeltsin will lend me the money?

>that doesn't help to purify your holy "spiritual life".

Do I need it? It is already 1000 times purer than your nasty slave mind.

>>Why are you so oblivious? I told you I won't answer this question before
>>you pass the exam. Did you pass it?
>
>hypocrite, answer it before you dream into the next round of "pure spiritual 
>life".

Who? Last time I answered you so many questions and you didn't answer the
only one I asked you. Now you pull out your old question and pretent nothing
happened, who is hypocrite?

Now answer me, which one do you choose between your stomatch and dignity?

Hao
PS. Chi Fang, you are really a boring clown. I am tired of you, unless you
pass the exam (i.e. answer the question without cheating), you are not
qualified to receive my reply.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: CCP did not order any massacre!!
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:38:08 GMT




>>In article <1992Apr12.074121.27117@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>>|> <So you think it is CCP's mistake to order 6/4
>>|> <massacre?
>>|> 
>>|> The CCP did *NOT* order any "massacre".  Period.  Don't bandy the word `CCP'
>>|> about so freely.

Scotty, Scotty!  Are you playing word game?  Was that you who told us
that CCP was the most democratic party in the world because even its
general secretary could not hold his position by his own will?

F. Wang
From: student@chinese.edu.usa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: It Is Time To Defend Li Peng, China's Hardworking Premire.
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:45:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Li, Peng has been known for a long history of stupidity and 
supress of inteligent.  June 4th is only a turning point for 
the whole world to realize him.

Another thing, I never read any post from you condamn Li, 
Peng.  It has always been the opposite.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yati@suphys.su.oz.au
Subject: Re: Not A Funny Joke: Defend Li Peng...
Organization: SU.OZ.AU
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.091346.21172@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>
>Another one was not funny at all. After I posted the article
>"It Is Time To Defend Li Peng...", I really became Li Peng's
>son, son-in-law or whatever. I was email bombarded, I was
>telephonely fucked (several times), I was blackmailed. One
>guy who claimed himself from Beijing called me and said my
>life is in danger. He was in Tiananmen on 6/3,4 and said
>I owe blood to his friends. 
	
	Don't forget others who have supported you, you do not be  so
    lonely.  Counte me, if you feel better.

>I am writing this article to remind you that my life is still
>in danger. Please remember me if you find me dead some days
>later.

       "Cut head off do not be important, if the doctrine is right,
       Killed me Xia mingHan, but the generations."

Xiao Li
	Hope you feel much better now.
>
From: yang@vsoph8.cern.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A hero or what ?  ( Re : The death of a monk .)
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:22:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <204719@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes...
>The following was a talk with a friend of my father that I remembered.
>He is a doctor and was sent to tibet in 50's. First of all,  I was told
>that at that time, people are so honest that they will go to tibet when
>asked by CCP with no questions asked.  They performs all duties, including
>bring new born bady which is not his specilty.  They will drink sour
>horse milk even he hate the taste because it is considered a honor to
>do so.  They will eat 'rottened meat' (fu3 rou4) which is meat hanged under
>the roof. After certain time, the meat will become bad (not fresh), and 
>with 'que1'(?) on them. But it is custom for tibetian to eat that way. And
>usually all the tibetian have a short knife on their waste, so it is 
>handy to eat the meat. The place he went was bit backward from impression.
>I knew that I was facinated by the costum then.  
> 
  I believe all the Han people who are sent to help Tibetans(called "Yuan2
  Zhang4"), and all the PLA soldiers, are asked by the government to respect
  Tibetan local costom, although every one know what to do even without 
  government's advise, this must be something that most wests don't believe
  and can't understand, because they don't know the true relationship between 
  Han and Tibetan, and the purpose of Yuan2 Zhang4.

  What is sad is that the wests are not willing to listen to any
  explaination by Chinese, and some "westernized" Chinese started to accept
  their point of view in order to "show off" how western they are, 

>I have never been in tibet, never met a tibetian. I can not confirm
>the above. And I hardly join the discussion on tibet. I do 
>wondering how many of the posters who really know.  I like to know
>if there are any tibetian on the net.  Can anyone identify him/her self?
>e-mails are welcome.
> 
>-- 
>/* Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh PA.  412-624-0134
>/* open your window and get something fresh */
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:12374 soc.culture.taiwan:7163
From: linjk@bartok.cs.unc.edu (Jin-Kun Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Unification of China (4)
Date: 4 Apr 92 14:33:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <Stg+DKA@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>
>
>
>The purpose of a society is for the better life of people.  KMT
>successfully managed Taiwan after Japan returned Taiwan to China.  The
>economic achievement is a sure evidence. 

   Sure, CCP also "successfully" managed China after China was "given"
to CCP.  The econonmic achievement is a "sure evidence", right?  

   Mr. Chen, do more homework before writing these articles.  Taiwan
was NOT "returned" to China.  KMT killed tens of thousand of Taiwanese
to be able to control Taiwan.  

   The purpose of a society is for the better lives of people.
We, Taiwanese, do not want to bet our better lives on the 
unification with Chinese.
From: feng@meroot.eng.uci.edu (Feng Liu)
Subject: Mr. Yan Xin(A Qi-gong expert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:58:23 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china

Mr. Yan Xin(Family name Yan) is a well-known expert on Chinese Qi-gong.
He is currently visiting the U.S., giving lectures or so.
I have a friend who would like to seek advice from him.
If anybody knows where Mr. Yan is in the US,
please send e-mail to 

fliu@uci.edu

Thank you
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Flood Donation
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:40:04 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes: 
> In article <204813@unix.cis.pitt.edu> yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu 
> (Yijun Ding) writes:
>>I haven't heard any report of flood money from IFCSS. What is happening?
> 
> Ask the Beijing Lai Zi An Mong (Mong Gongzi :-) who tried to sue IFCSS,
> ask him to tell SCC what deal he got with IFCSS, ask him how he was
> fooled and pissed off :-)   
> 
> And, ask those handful SCCers who applauded the BJ LZ An Mong ... :-)
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Bo Xiong in Chicago

Look, the guy is asking a legitemate question that the politics outsiders
like us would like to know.  As a frequent "quality monitor" of a respectable
publication, why don't you provide a serious answer.

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: zhu@risky.ecs.umass.edu (George Zhu)
Subject: Re: It Is Time To Defend Li Peng, China's Hardworking Premire.
Organization: University of Massachusetts
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:49:30 GMT

This Xiao-Lin Li's article suprised me.  Is it another April Fool's
joke?   Whether or not Deng is responsible for June 4th, there's no
defense for Li Peng during and after the massacre.  What has
accomplished for China?  Name one.

In article <1992Apr7.112848.1471@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>After three years bullshit Chinese politics, people become
>more and more understood the problem in China. Although, Li
>Peng still has a bad image internationally, but we, as Chinese
>should really think hard what is deep inside the Chinese
>politics.
>
>If there had been no such thing as the 6/4 massacre, how would
>people have thought about Li Peng, China's hardworking Premier?
>Li Peng is certainly better educated than the old generation
>revolutionaries, better than Deng Xiaoping and Zhao Ziyang.
>Not only scientifically, but in personality as well, Li Peng is
>more tolerant. I well remember when Li Peng met Wurekaxi, it
>was Li Peng who maintained the grace of the talk. Li Peng has
>been constantly huminiated throughout his visit in US, yet, he
>performed well.
>
>As to his contribution to China, I think it is much greater
>than Deng Xiaoping. What has Deng Xiaoping done to China. He
>played politics for himself, to enhance the image of himself
>at the cost of his "second and third generation leaders". Hu 
>and Zhao had already been the ones. Now comes Li Peng. I think
>Li Peng is still trying to balance in his political career. What
>he could do if he is removed from his current post? Go back
>as an engineer? Not as comfortable as before. Now good things
>are all DXP's and the dirt of 6/4 is Li Peng's.
>
>I have attacked Li Peng for a long period of time since 6/4.
>Now I think it is wrong. It was DXP who committed the 6/4
>massacre. People should be aware of it.
>
>
>Xiao Li
From: liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: From Chinese calendar to names (Re: Chinese Calendar..)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:41:59 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering

In article <CMM.0.90.2.703443753.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes:
>
>I see, so that's the reason why my lunar calendar birthday and
>solar calendar birthday bump into each other again every 19
>years. They, sort of like "Gan1 Zhi1", have a cycle of 19 years.
>

Sorry, Yi Chia Tzu (one cycle of Kan-Tzu) is 60 years.

-- 
Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)
From: kniaz@cat5.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:40:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Apr12.013054.22753@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <29E7598A.1802@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
><	You students caused the killing!! You did not give them any additional
><	choice!
>
>Absolutely.  (Though the Chinese government handled the matter very poorly.
>If they had had any intelligence, they would've simply broken up the
>demonstration with tear gas on the very first day.  Then no one would've
>died, the image of the PRC [such as it is] would not have been tarnished,
>and these CSS would not have been able to FGNC so easily.)
>
>					--Scott

	Even granting the government the benefit of the doubt in being 
	justified in using deadly force,  the extent of this  massacre 
	could only be the result of massive criminal negligence on the 
	part of the Chinese government.  Even if ill intent did not
	exist, those officials responsible for making the errors, that
	'handled the matter very poorly', should not have gone unpunished.
	Their actions were not excused as mistakes, but officially lauded
	as heroic.

     ______________________________________________________________________
    / "Lo, Though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death,       /
    \    I fear not!                                        ______________\
    /  For I am the biggest son-of-a-bitch in the valley." / My favorite  /
    \______________________________________________________\ expression...\
    / Joel Kniaz   kniaz@garfield.cs.wisc.edu  kniaz@jomby /      __i     /
    \______________________________________________________\_yiLballe(Mu)_\
From: be549@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Coose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Relax, folks...
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:16:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.171635.19926
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I am just wondering why there are some many SSC interested in
politics.  After look through these posters, make me remind some-
thing in the Cul-Revolution.  Some of them are anxious to arguing
about the something stupid.  I mean, is there anything else we
can talk about in this newsgroup, besides the 6.4, CCP stuff?
Just a suggestion.  I do wanna see more topics in this group.
                                          Robin Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: CND Special (IV) on The Three Gorges Dam Project
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:52:02 GMT

In <1992Apr5.061724.28994@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
|> April 3's UPI News:
|>   ... ...
|>   As NPC Chairman Wan Li called the vote in the cavernous hall, a tall,
|>   white-haired man suddenly jumped out of his seat, waving a sheaf of papers.
|>   He complained the vote had been steamrolled through without sufficient
|>   debate.
|> 
|>   ``This is illegal, I have a right as a deputy to hear a full airing of all
|>   sides of this issue,'' said Taiwan delegate Huang Shunxing. ``This didn't
|>   happen.''
|> 
|>   A throng of reporters crowded around Huang as the vote continued. On the
|>   dais, Premier Li giggled nervously, President Yang Shangkun fumbled to see
|>   what was happening, and Communist Party leader Jiang Zemin looked on
|>   impassively.
|>   ... ...
|> 

Wow, looks like the Chinese Yeltsin has already emerged even
before the Chinese Gorby appear. Don't know what CCP can do
about it though, since Huang is supposed to be a showcase of
"people's democracy" towards people in Taiwan.

While Li Peng's giggling (according to my dictionary, it means
"laughing in a silly, undignified way") is more or less what
people could expect from him, Jiang's impassive look is deeply
disturbing. I mean, with all these anti-peaceful_evolution
educations and talks about preventing Yeltsin-like figures
appearing in China, how can Jiang, the general sec. of CCP,
sit there impassively looking at this to happen? Isn't
that what Gorby did and led to the collapse of USSR?

Steven
------
... This all sounds complicated, but it mostly does exactly
what you expect. It's just hard for us to explain what you
expect ...
				  - From "Programming Perl"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: It Is Time To Defend Li Peng, China's Hardworking Premire.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.112848.1471@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>After three years bullshit Chinese politics, people become
>more and more understood the problem in China. Although, Li
>Peng still has a bad image internationally, but we, as Chinese
>should really think hard what is deep inside the Chinese
>politics.
>
>If there had been no such thing as the 6/4 massacre, how would
>people have thought about Li Peng, China's hardworking Premier?
>Li Peng is certainly better educated than the old generation
>revolutionaries, better than Deng Xiaoping and Zhao Ziyang.
>Not only scientifically, but in personality as well, Li Peng is
>more tolerant. I well remember when Li Peng met Wurekaxi, it
>was Li Peng who maintained the grace of the talk. Li Peng has
>been constantly huminiated throughout his visit in US, yet, he
>performed well.
>
>As to his contribution to China, I think it is much greater
>than Deng Xiaoping. What has Deng Xiaoping done to China. He
>played politics for himself, to enhance the image of himself
>at the cost of his "second and third generation leaders". Hu 
>and Zhao had already been the ones. Now comes Li Peng. I think
>Li Peng is still trying to balance in his political career. What
>he could do if he is removed from his current post? Go back
>as an engineer? Not as comfortable as before. Now good things
>are all DXP's and the dirt of 6/4 is Li Peng's.
>
>I have attacked Li Peng for a long period of time since 6/4.
>Now I think it is wrong. It was DXP who committed the 6/4
>massacre. People should be aware of it.
>
>
>Xiao Li
>

gou3 yao3 gou3, yi1 zui3 maor2.

F.Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lihang@milton.u.washington.edu (Hang Li)
Subject: Looking for Lu4, Jing1Hui1
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:11:49 GMT

Lu, JingHui, from Nanjing, 86-90 in ZheJiang University at Hangzhou,
came to The States (Texas?) in Oct., 1990. 
Does anybody know sth. about him? Thanks.

Hang Li
EE, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
(206) 545-8431

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: IFCSS NR3073:  IFCSS Summer Workshop on Business Management
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:20:01 GMT

In article <204813@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
<
<I haven't heard any report of flood money from IFCSS. What is happening?

Time for another lawsuit, I say.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: the Easter Bunny (odd USA tradition)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:11:57 GMT
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated

In article <1992Apr11.205819.24777@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>
>Why?  I'm an average ordinary white American who has lived his entire
>life in USA, and I don't know of any reason for the Easter Bunny tradition.
>Probably just something that is encouraged by chocolate candy manufacturers
>to sell chocolate bunnies.  No, noone I know has roast rabbit for Easter
>Sunday dinner.  :-)

Most holiday events are commercialized in this country.
Manufactures of various products try every possible way
to sell their products.  I think that's why this Easter
was mentioned more than two weeks ago on ads.  If this
was a Christmas, manufactures could remind you the
holiday a month earlier.

This kind of propaganda is influencing China's manufactures.
This is not bad at all.  If you don't want to spend money
holidays, nobody can force you to do that.  While if you
do want to spend, you have a very good excuse.
-- 
__
Fred Liu, Performance Technologies Incorporated	mliu@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620            uupsi!ptsys1!mliu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: alui@hostname.anu.edu.au (Andrew Lui)
Subject: Re: From Chinese calendar to names (Re: Chinese Calendar..)
Organization: Computer Science Lab., Research School of Physical Science and Engineering, Australian National University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:49:45 GMT


|> >>It takes about 15.2 days for the Sun to travel from one of these points
|> >> to another, ... Supposedly, each of the 12 months of the year contains two
|> >> points, but, because a lunar month has only 29 1/2 days and the two points
|> >> share about 30.4 days, there is always the chance that a lunar month will
|> >> fail to contain both points, ... If such an occasion occurs, the intercalation
|> >> of an extra month takes place. ..."
|> >
|> >Is this how the "leap months" were added? I have always been
|> >wondering about it.
|> >
|> 
|> Ya, leap month occurs when there is no Ch'i (Qi) (or Chieh (Jie) ?)
|> in a particular month. So if the fifth month has no Ch'i (or Chieh,
|> I'm not sure here), there will be a leap fifth month so that fifth +
|> leap fifth months will have at least 1 Chieh and 1 Chi (actually
|> they together have at least (or precisely ?) three Chieh-Ch'i.).
|>

I doubt this point. I notice that some months are more likely to have leap month
than others. For example, the fourth and the fifth month are more common to have
leap month than the seventh and the tenth. If leap months are found by just
considering the Chieh and Chi, then each month shall have the same chance having
a leap month.
 
|> -- 
|> Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
|> Digital Communications Research Laboratory
|> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
|> University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)

-- 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Lui
Computer Science Laboratory
Research School of Physical Science and Engineering
Australian National University

email: alui@cslab.anu.edu.au					Phone:	06-2493064
														61-6-2493064	
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From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:15:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12190
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <29E94D72.11132@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>+BTW, this time, Shannon Yeh's behavior is much better than Scott, the
>+party should consider to promote him to the leadership position.
>
>	If you want to Biao\/Yang/(praise) me, you are not in that position;

Really, I am in the position. Somone in Beijing is. BTW, how much bonus
you received this time?

>	If you want to kiss my ass, i'll keep it in mind and give you a raise

Help yourself or ask Scott.

Hao