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From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Question on "Jewish mother = jewish children"
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	<1gobr3INN4r8@gap.caltech.edu>
	<1992Dec17.192641.12992@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
	<3093@israel.nysernet.org>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:20:37 GMT

In article <3093@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

> In <1992Dec17.192641.12992@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>    According to the g'mara, the answer is unknown. In (chulin?) they
>    discuss the case of two animals that are placed so that their wombs
>    are touching, and the one give birth directly into the uterus of the
>    second, the young subsequently emerging to daylight from the second.
>    This is close enough to surrogate motherhood as to make no diffrence.
>    The g'mara asks "which animal is the mother?" and the answer is "teko,"
>    which means that no answer is known (and/or that it will be resolved
>    by Eliyahu ha tishbi etc.)

> But we have to ask, in this case the fetus doesn't have anything
> happen to it in the second womb, but in the case of embreyo
> implantation it undergoes most of its developement there?  So is there
> a different ruling?  Another teku, I'd suppose.  If Eliyahu thinks
> he'll be able to just blow that shofar and vanish for another few
> thousand years (cameos aside), he's got another thing coming to him.
> -- 

I think that Rabbi Bleich went into this issue in one of his books on
Contemporary Halachic Problems.  It may also have been discussed in his
column in _Tradition_ magazine.  The issue is not a simple one and is
tied in with the case of a pregnant woman who converts to Judaism.
Halacically speaking, it can be considered as similar to the case of a
Jewish woman who has the fertilised ovum of a non-Jewish woman implanted
(or the fetus removed from the first woman and implanted in the second).

I do not have the references available, and I do not want to try to give
a citation from memory.

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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:33:34 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <4602@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
|> 
|> Why not ?
|> The newspapers wrote that some think they was kicket out by mistake,
|> namely because they made their terrorist activity as PLO members, or
|> because their activity was "mild". In any case in a state like US each
|> of them will get many  years at jail and in an arabian state
|> they will spend in jail some monthes at the most before changing it
|> for a rope.

Yes, but in the US they would have been properly tried and represented
by legal council with access to all the facts of the case against them
prior to sentencing.

|>    Shalom   gideon ehrlich

-- 
Shai Guday		| 
OS Software Engineer	| 
Thinking Machines Corp. |
From: eitan@syacus.acus.oz.au (Eitan Froumine (Melb))
Subject: Re: wgreek16.zip uploaded
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:15:20 GMT

  I once examined an old version of wgreek (wgreek12). It works well with 
Word4Windows.  But it only supports the "fonetic" hebrew keyboard layout (i.e.
A==Alef, B=Bet, G=Gimel and some strange combinations for the non obvious 
mapping).

Does the latest versions support the israeli hebrew keyboard layout?

Happy Hanuka

Eitan
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From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.073102.12213@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternl
ight) writes:
>
>At the Beverly Hills Menorah lighting ceremony Sunday night, presided
>over by the Mayor of Beverly Hills, the Vice-Mayor, and a Chabad Rabbi,
>it was stated that the ACLU and the American Jewish Committee went
>to court Sunday morning to stop it (and lost).
>
>Does anyone know what the h... is going on when the AJC tries to stop
>a menorah lighting?
>
>David

What the hell is going on is this: the AJC, with the approval I
suspect of most American Jews, is fighting for a secular rather
than religious society.  If you think you'd prefer the latter,
contemplate for a moment who would be running it.

Norman Miller
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Date: 24 Dec 1992 23:38:38 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
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In article <1992Dec24.223741.1@vmsa.technion.ac.il> chr04ha@vmsa.technion.ac.il writes:
>In article <1hb6teINNcj@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, 
>jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>
>> for years. I don't know about Hanukkah songs, but I think the
>> Lennon sisters made a hit out of Ba mir bist du schane (with
>> apologies for spelling errors and mis-attributions).
>> 
>
>For "Lennon" read "Andrews".
>and I am "zaken" enough to remember.
>                                      Amitai

Thanks, Amitai. I *really* screwed this one up.  But you should
have seen the mail I got on denying the Jewishness of Peter
Yarrow!

Jack
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:22:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.025104.28032@epas.toronto.edu>
nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher) writes:

>"Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
> Born is a great individual"

I heard another version of this at a Brit Milah last Friday:

"Mohel, Mohel, Mohel, Mohel.
Snip, snip all the sons in Israel."
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Oops
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:58:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1307
Organization: University of Pittsburgh, Electrical Engineering

Please excuse the car ad.  I goofed.  Damage is done.  Might as well
make the best of it:
 the area code is 412 if you are interested...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:21:39 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:

> O.K, Now to the real issues:
> 1)Prove that the 415 Palestinians are members of Hamess
> 2)Prove that they were involved in the killing of innocents,
> 3)Prove that the kidnapping is supported by all members of Hamess
> 4)prove that all of them live in a territory that is recognized  
> internationally as part of Israel.
> 
> Unless you prove all of the above (in a fair trial of course), you have no
> right to defend the deportations.

You seem to be quick to tell others what they have the right to do and 
what they don't have the right to do-- but I guess that's nothign new to 
the Palestinian argument.  And by demanding that your conditions be met 
before one can defend the deportations is another old Palestinian ploy to 
prevent real discussion of the issue.  "Prove the universe started with a 
big bang or I won't talk to you," "Prove there is a God or I won't listen 
to what you have to say,"  "calculate the true value of pi and then we'll 
sit at the table with you."  Of course the above conditions can't be met 
in their entirety, nor need they be.

> As you finish celebrating Hannukah, I think you should appreciate that
> the Palestinians are waiting for the day they will celebrate their own
> Hannukah. When you celebrate freedom from oppression, maybe you should
> consider the others' right of freedom from oppression.

The Palestinians had their Hanukah in 1948 when they were offered 
statehood.  They threw it away in the hopes of celebrating the day when 
Israel was no more.  Sorry to disappoint you.
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From: dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: deportations
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:06:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Israel's  recent  decison  to  expel  from   their   own   country   410
Palestinians,  none  of  whom has been charged with any offence before a
court of law, is contrary to the 4th Geneva convention,  and  ignores  a
Security Council resolution condemning the action as illegal.

This draws our attention once again  to  the  unsolved  problem  of  the
ongoing Israeli occupation of the territories seized in the war of 1967,
which Israel continues to hold in defiance of both international law and
specific United Nations Resolutions.

I have a proposal for solving this problem.  We should  proceed  exactly
as  in  the case of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and the enforcement of
resolution 660.  As follows.

1) A mandatory arms embargo and comprehensive economic sanctions  should
be  imposed  on  Israel,  enforced  by  shooting down Israeli planes and
sinking Israeli ships that seek to trade with the outside world.

2) Israel should be given 28 days notice to comply with security council
resolution  number  242  of  1967,  by withdrawing from all the occupied
territories, including the West Bank, the Gaza strip, the Golan Heights,
the  "security  zone"  in  South  Lebanon,  and last but not least, East
Jerusalem.  Failing unconditional and total compliance by the set  date,
the Jewish state should be bombed to shit, as was done to Iraq.

Any objections?

	   ------------------------------------------

Just joking of course.  I am not in favour of bombing cities.  I  didn't
like  seeing  it  done  to  Iraq,  and  I  wouldn't want it to happen to
anywhere else either.  But it is time for the rest of us to tell  Israel
that its treatment of the Palestinians is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

David Turner

(A British Jew who does NOT support Israel.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bf3833@pyuxe.uucp (80010-feigenbaum)
Subject: Re: Perfidy
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 12:44:51 GMT
Summary: Thank you

In article <1992Dec29.172346.20783@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec28.202040.2487@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, bf3833@pyuxe.uucp (80010-feigenbaum) writes...
> >I am looking for a book entitled "Perfidy" by Ben Hecht.  The copyright
> >date is 1961 and the publisher is Julian Messer.  The publisher is out
> >of business however.  The book tells the story of the Kastner trial in
> >Israel.
> > 
> >If anyone can help me get a copy of this book, it would be greatly 
> >appreciated.
> > 
> >Thank you.
> 
> 
> I got my copy a few years ago at the ISRAEL BOOKSHOP in Brookline, MA 
>                                       (617)566-7113.
> 
> It was unavailable for years because of its Labor Party bashing.  When Begin
> was elected PM, the book was republished. 

I have been looking for this book for well over a year.  I called the bookshop
as you suggested.  A copy of the book is now on its way to me.  Thank you
so much for helping me with my search.

Ben Feigenbaum
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Date: 23 Dec 1992 20:21:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com () says:

>I never thought about this before, but after hearing Barbara Streisand
>doing a christmas song, it occured to me that she's Jewish, isn't she?
>So what are the biggest Christmas hits sung by Jews? I guess music is
>music, and a buck is a buck. Was there ever a Hanakuh hit record?
>
Of course, Mel Torme's "The Christmas Song" (Chestnuts Roasting on an
Open Fire...) comes to mind first.

Paul
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:30:25 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Lyrics to Hatikva

Can anyone send me the lyrics to Hatikva both in Hebrew and English ?
Also, I would like the lyrics to Aveinu Shalom Alechem both in Hebrew and
English.

Thanks !

A Jew whose Jewish soul is awakening...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:29:30 GMT

In article <199212240230.AA23799@yfn.ysu.edu> <aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)> writes:
>
>
>
>
>Arthur writes:
>
>>I never thought about this before, but after hearing Barbara Streisand
>>doing a christmas song, it occured to me that she's Jewish, isn't she?
>
>Uh-huh... she is... and so is Neil Diamond, but that doesn't stop him
>from having an (almost) hour Christmas special running on HBO.  I kinda
>like his rendition of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"... complete with
>dreidle in the background   8-)

Steve Lawrence and Edie Gormet have done Christmas album(s) as has 
Barry Manilow.

Keep in mind there are two distinct kinds of Christmas songs. 

1) There is the White Christmas/Chestnuts Roasting/Santa Claus is 
Coming to Town kind is about the "secular" (flamers note quotes) 
Christmas: winter, snow men, no overt religious implications.  
Most of the Christmas songs you will hear (by both Jews and goyim) 
fall into this category.  Some "Christmas" songs don't even mention
Christmas but are really more winter songs (sorry folks in oz, your
Christmas falls in summer).

2) Christmas Carols, Sacred Music, songs proclaiming the birth of Jesus
and other religious themes.  While some of these have been recorded by
Jewish artists as well as goys, they fall into the minority of so called
Christmas music.
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Chanuka sa-mei-ach?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:32:33 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
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In article <1992Dec22.205319.26171@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>But seriously -- you mention "dedication", and I understand your reference
>to `hannukat habayit'. On the other hand, Hannukah is also a contraction
>(`hannu' = rested, `kah' = 25 [of Kislev]), as well as an acronym which
>gives the halacha for lighting the candles (`het' = 8, `nun' = nayrot,
>`vav' = and, `kaf hay' = [halacha] like [Bet] Hillel) [that is, we light
>one candle the first night, two the second, etc.]

Sorry Jonathan, but I think a grammarian in constitutionally unable
to deal with this. :-)

>Would "Chag HaShemen Sameyach" be acceptable, or should we save it for
>alt.backrubs?

Huh?
-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Deportations provoke crisis
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:10:33 GMT

In article <92354.2000172893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>I agree the kidnappers should be punished but it breaks every principle
>of due process and justice to arbitrary punish people for acts they did not
>commit. If a Kachnik went out and killed a dozen Arabs, would it be just
>to take 300 other Kachniks and punish them?
  What if they killed a Quebec cabinet minister?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.180809.18948@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternl
ight) writes:

>I think the argument is that the symbols are seasonal/historical
>rather than religious, though the traditional blessings over
>lighting the menorah were recited. The rest of the evening was
>music and dancing of a historical, rather than religious character.
>
>In any case, apparently the thing was decided on freedom of
>speech in a public park grounds--the whole thing was paid for
>by Chabad, not the city.
>
>David

Does David Sternlight or anyone else in sight believe for an instant
that _Habad_ would be interested in, let alone pay for, a "seasonal/
historical" event?

I can think of only one plausible defense for the menorah: people
have a consitutional right to be vulgar--especially in Beverly Hills--
and as such I'm ready to support it.

Norman Miller
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 15:14:17 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
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cms@dragon.com (Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)) writes:
>Aryeth Kaplan wrote a work called "Jewish 
>Meditation:  A Practical Guide," which contains many Kabbalistic 
>meditation techniques.


This is good; there's also a more recent book by him that goes into
some more historical detail, and has excerpts (in English translation)
from The Greater Hekhalot, the works of Abraham Abulafia, Gates of
Light, Gates of Holiness, and Gates of the Holy Spirit.  Here's the
info:

Kaplan, Aryeh.  _Meditation_and_Kabbalah_, Samuel Wesier, Inc.
	First published 1982, paperback edition 1985. LCCCN: 81-70150
	ISBN: 0-87728-616-7.

It just went into a fifth printing, so most large bookstores should be
able to order it with no problem.  I highly recommend it.


Peace,

Amanda Walker
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  3 Jan 93 11:42:12 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

>In article <isaac.725853315@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>>
>>Guilt by MEMBERSHIP mate. Membership of a terrorist outfit is
>>a crime. This is a violent group who hides behind the Koran.

>Guilty enough to collectively punish half a thousand innocent
>people (who have not been proven of any crime in a civil court)?
>Is this 1934 - Nazi Style or 1984 - Thought Police Style?
No.  They  would have been SHOT if it  was.

>No, infact they are proud to hold the Holy Quran very high ...
>takbir!
They are a living testimony  of all that is profane.

>Anisa

>"Glad to see that we're debating with sensible fanatics here."
>						Alan H. Stein
From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:04:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada

In article <229@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel
Ohayon) writes:
>>[ANISA] Sorry, Tsiel, but he was Roman Catholic.
>>
>>That's great news ... Now I can listen to him again without any bad feelings:-)
>
>?  Why would you have any?  I don't get it ... are you saying that you
>have bad feelings towards Muslims in general?  Actually, I think it
>would be the opposite, considering the experience he encountered two years
>ago, when he tried to visit the Holy Land (he was harrassed and not allowed in).
>Maybe it was that big beard ... ?  Tsiel, you might know that Yousef Islam
>donates the profits from his records to Islam and Muslims charities.  Having
>second thoughts?
> 
>Anisa

I don't think you get it.  He would have had bad feelings if it were
the case that Cat Stevens converted from Judaism to Islam (or to
Christianity, or to Zoroastroism (?sp), or Buddism etc) since it is
considered a cardinal sin in Judaism to convert to another religion.
He was not singling out Islam.

Also as I remember it, Yousef Islam was allowed into Israel when he
came to visit.  He even made the requisite propaganda speeches after
his visit criticizing the Israel occupation blah, blah, blah.

If Yousef Islam considers Islamic & Muslim charities to include paying
the reward money for Salman Rushdie's assasination, I think the world
can do without this kind of "charity".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: The Cincinnati KKK Cross
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:08:16 GMT


Thank goodness the cross was put up by the KKK (and was likely seen
by many non-Jews as a provocation), and not a local church.

David
-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM key on server
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:29:17 GMT

amir@cc.gatech.edu (amir) writes:
 
> A question was asked why a woman is tme'a ("impure") for two weeks
> after giving birth to a girl, and one week after giving birth to a
> boy.

Another point that no-one brought up is that, while she is tme'ah
for seven days after the birth of a boy and 14 after a girl, she
is tehorah for the next 33 days after the boy and 66 after the girl.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: I was wrong: Moshiach it is
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:53:13 GMT

Heine has a poem that begins:

Zu fragmentarisch ist Welt und Leben
Ich wird mich zu ein Deutschen Professor begeben..

Same with me.  I puzzled and puzzled over my objection
to Moshiach with an o until I went to a dear friend
who's also a distinguished linguist who said:

But Noyekh, isn't that the way you yourself transcribe
Yiddish when writing for Mendele?  The o is the YIVO
standard for the kometz.

Thunderclap.  That those spelling it with an o were
following YIVO rules had never occurred to me.

So abject apologies to all.  I hereby grovel my way
out of the conference (until my next bout of boredom).

Norman Miller
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  3 Jan 93 11:50:04 GMT

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>Arrest does not imply guilt.  Guilt is established in a court of law,
>not by a (military) policeman.
A court of law determined  that there were grounds for deportation. QED

>Now were the Palestinian deportees criminally prosecuted at all?  Nope.
>They were punished without a trial, and in a manner that violates
>international law.
Debateable. 

>Next time, please try to make your arguments make sense.
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