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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:22:36 GMT

harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>be a better OS for bulletin boards.  However, it looks far costlier to
>work with Unix.

but real unix is supported more than coherent.  Coherent is aimed
at hobbists -- where as real unix is designed for industry and
business..

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:10:21 GMT

opus@pioneer.unm.edu (Colby Kraybill) writes:
>Calling things "real unix" and not "real unix" is rather like entering the
>"Your computer isn't a real computer" debate...

Well, strictly speaking, not that this has anything to do with alt.bbs.unixbbs,
but "real unix" is probably only AT&T code.  Maybe BSD too?
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From: harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:29:03 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep4.015216.9285@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.164759.3190@memstvx1.memst.edu> harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>
>>Here's my situation.  I was thinking about doing a BBS that would allow users
>>to access a database.  After researching different BBS software for DOS I
>>discovered that this would require multiple machines and a network.  It's
>>possible to have multiple users under DOS dial in with Desqview, but running a
>>separate program requires a door to a networked machine.  Or so it appears from
>>my research.
> 
> Look into TBBS by eSoft. It runs under DOS and can support up to 64
> simultaneous callers on a single machine. eSoft has an option module,
> called TDBS, which allows you to write dBase/Clipper style applications
> for your users to use online. It supports dBase files and has file
> sharing, record locking and all that rot.
> 
> This may be a solution for you, if you've got the budget. You can easily
> spent US$5000 on software.
> 
> Otherwise, as you stated, a Unix BBS/database would work.
> 
> If you need more info, email me and I'll see what I can dig up.
> 
> DISCLAIMER: I don't work for eSoft. I don't even own any of their products --
> I just know it's available.
> 
> 							- greg
> -- 
> Greg Trotter -- Norman, Oklahoma
> greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu

From what I've read, to use TDBS requires a link to another machine running the
database program.  I am considering this option though.  However, this is a
hobby project and I don't want to spend big bucks.  Another solution I've come
up with is to use a regular DOS BBS and create a database program that the
users can download and load data on their own machines, and then just upload
the resulting tables.
 
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James W. Harris, Memphis State University, Education - 200, Memphis, TN  38152
901-678-4632                                       harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 13:17:48 GMT

In article <Bty9qz.6At@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>opus@pioneer.unm.edu (Colby Kraybill) writes:
>
>>is fast becoming a fully supported Unix OS.  The last time I had heard, 
>
>I wouldn't bet on it.  Word Perfect told me on the phone
>they currently have no plans to support WP under Coherent, and doubt that they
>ever will since there is no money in Coherent.   
>
	Not much money in DOS, but there is WP for it...Coherent is
a cheap OS like DOS, yet with the growing functionality of UNIX.
Hmmm...maybe when the proposed Destiny comes out it won't be supported
by anyone either as there probably isn't any money in it since it is
'cheap'....what a way to base an opinion.

>Big deal.  UNIX has had TCP support for 10 years.
>
	UNIX has been around for 40 years or so...how long has
Coherent??

>Coherent is a amateur OS for those who are interested in the operation
>of real UNIX.  Universities are using it cause it's cheap.  
>Universities are using it to teach with -- how many are using Coherent
>in the front office for billing, network servers, etc. -- real world
>applications?  None.
>
	Give it time..let the bugs get worked out of it..let more and
more people start buying it and let the application companies start
seeing its potential...

Marc
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:52:16 GMT
Organization: A Planet Of His Own

In article <1992Sep3.164759.3190@memstvx1.memst.edu> harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>
>Here's my situation.  I was thinking about doing a BBS that would allow users
>to access a database.  After researching different BBS software for DOS I
>discovered that this would require multiple machines and a network.  It's
>possible to have multiple users under DOS dial in with Desqview, but running a
>separate program requires a door to a networked machine.  Or so it appears from
>my research.

Look into TBBS by eSoft. It runs under DOS and can support up to 64
simultaneous callers on a single machine. eSoft has an option module,
called TDBS, which allows you to write dBase/Clipper style applications
for your users to use online. It supports dBase files and has file
sharing, record locking and all that rot.

This may be a solution for you, if you've got the budget. You can easily
spent US$5000 on software.

Otherwise, as you stated, a Unix BBS/database would work.

If you need more info, email me and I'll see what I can dig up.

DISCLAIMER: I don't work for eSoft. I don't even own any of their products --
I just know it's available.

							- greg
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greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:08:59 GMT

opus@pioneer.unm.edu (Colby Kraybill) writes:

>In article <Btwz5o.1HH@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>
>>but real unix is supported more than coherent.  Coherent is aimed
>>at hobbists -- where as real unix is designed for industry and
>>business..
>>

>WHAT!??!?!?!

>The biggest market for Unix based machines is still at educational 
>institutions...  Coherent has begun to leave the 'hobbists' behind and 

But educational institutions typically pay peanuts for operating
systems for their students to play with -- as such I hardly consider
educational markets as an industry or business user

>is fast becoming a fully supported Unix OS.  The last time I had heard, 

I wouldn't bet on it.  Word Perfect told me on the phone
they currently have no plans to support WP under Coherent, and doubt that they
ever will since there is no money in Coherent.   

>Coherent is coming out with TCP/IP communications support.

Big deal.  UNIX has had TCP support for 10 years.

Coherent is a amateur OS for those who are interested in the operation
of real UNIX.  Universities are using it cause it's cheap.  
Universities are using it to teach with -- how many are using Coherent
in the front office for billing, network servers, etc. -- real world
applications?  None.


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keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: BBS software for Coherent
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:53:09 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Are there any BBS programs that run on the new Coherent OS?

Is there much shareware or freeware to support a Unix BBS?  I'm thinking
about buying Wildcat! for MS-DOS, but a friend of mine bought Coherent
and the multiuser-multitasking features of Unix made me think it might
be a better OS for bulletin boards.  However, it looks far costlier to
work with Unix.
 
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James W. Harris, Memphis State University, Education - 200, Memphis, TN  38152
901-678-4632                                       harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
From: opus@pioneer.unm.edu (Colby Kraybill)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:58:41 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <Bty9qz.6At@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>opus@pioneer.unm.edu (Colby Kraybill) writes:
>
>>In article <Btwz5o.1HH@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>>
>>>but real unix is supported more than coherent.  Coherent is aimed
>>>at hobbists -- where as real unix is designed for industry and
>>>business..
>>>
>
>>WHAT!??!?!?!
>
>>The biggest market for Unix based machines is still at educational 
>>institutions...  Coherent has begun to leave the 'hobbists' behind and 
>
>But educational institutions typically pay peanuts for operating
>systems for their students to play with -- as such I hardly consider
>educational markets as an industry or business user
>
>>is fast becoming a fully supported Unix OS.  The last time I had heard, 
>
>I wouldn't bet on it.  Word Perfect told me on the phone
>they currently have no plans to support WP under Coherent, and doubt that they
>ever will since there is no money in Coherent.   

Oh bugger off!  If people want to use wordperfect, go to a DOS or Macintosh.
We have Wordperf for our Ultrix boxes, but the licensing is so expensive that
we only have an 8 user version and are not planning on expanding it.

>
>>Coherent is coming out with TCP/IP communications support.
>
>Big deal.  UNIX has had TCP support for 10 years.
>

TCP support would make it much easier to expand a BBS with multiple machines
on it. 

>Coherent is a amateur OS for those who are interested in the operation
>of real UNIX.  Universities are using it cause it's cheap.  
>Universities are using it to teach with -- how many are using Coherent
>in the front office for billing, network servers, etc. -- real world
>applications?  None.

Again, "real" unix?  WTF are you talking about?  You have MISSED the point 
COMPLETELY.  The original poster wanted to find out if he could run a BBS
under Coherent.  He didn't say he wanted to use Wordperfect.  He didn't say
he wanted it to learn about "real" unix, he wanted to run a BBS!  
Did the person say that he wanted to use it in his front office?  
BBS's are not real world applications?  Pay attention.


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Space and Planetary Image Facility
University of New Mexico
opus@pioneer.unm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: marbun@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Marbun,Leo P)
Subject: BBS list and tar.Z archiver.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:49:00 GMT

Hi,

I am looking for unix bbs list, and where I could get the uncompression
utility for .tar.Z files.

Thanks.

Leo.
From: tomc@siesoft.co.uk (Tom Crossland)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:30:52 GMT
Reply-To: tomc@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
: Are there any BBS programs that run on the new Coherent OS?
: 
: Is there much shareware or freeware to support a Unix BBS?  I'm thinking
: about buying Wildcat! for MS-DOS, but a friend of mine bought Coherent
: and the multiuser-multitasking features of Unix made me think it might
: be a better OS for bulletin boards.  However, it looks far costlier to
: work with Unix.

If your machine is powerful enough to run unix nicely it is powerful enough
to run a BBS under Windows or something. Unfortunately most of the best
BBS packages are written for DOS rather than Unix, so if that is what you 
want to do with you're machine you'd probably be better off with a DOS/Windows
combination. Mind you, there's also the possibility of having dial-up access
into your Unix machine if you set it up, then callers can use all the
facilities of unix rather than just a BBS. Mail is part of the package,
Newsgroups can be arranged, file transfers are just a matter of getting the
right protocols. 
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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:58:00 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou) writes:

>Frankly, I'm getting tired of John's attitude.  One more for the kill 
>file...

pretty soon you won't have much to read -- since everyone will be
in the kill file :)

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keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:38:17 GMT

In article <s-gnk=m@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>
>Actually I accomplished just about what I wanted to do.  I figured
>Phil wouldn't budge because this list is his 15 minutes of fame and his
>power trip.    What I wanted to do was stimulate a discussion, preferably
>a loud, sloppy one that catches everyone's attention, so that people
>who didn't realize the bogosity of Phil's list would now know.

	I still don't figure out how *you* figure that Phil's
list is bogus because it doesn't publish something that his
policy has decided doesn't belong??  Hmmmm...maybe your system
is bogus (and falsely advertised) as a Public Access site 
because it doesn't seem to follow what, I think, most of the
net has determined through out this thread is a public access
site??  

>I also
>wanted to let everyone who might be looking for public access but not
>see a candidate system on the list know that there are other systems
>available who don't play by Phil's rules but nontheless accept new 
>subscribers.  Lastly, I wanted to let anyone in the Atlanta area know
>about dixie.com and Gwinnette.com.  Looks like it worked.  I've gotten
>a nice little flurry of sub requests.  I sent some over to Gwinnette.com
>and took the more interesting.
>
	That was nice of you...at least you didn't hog all the publicity
to yourself.  

>This has worked so well I'm going to make this a regular feature to follow
>the Nix-bogus list each month.
>
	Hmmm...where is that 'anon-canceller' when you need him, eh?
Is this what the net is deteriorating (sp?) to??  

>Thanks all

	You are most definitely not welcome! No more welcome then
a little boy who has to turn on the tears to get what he wants...
attention.  *sigh*

Marc


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:37:08 GMT

From article <1992Aug22.133715.2306@bluemoon.rn.com>, by grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean):
>>	Here's an example:  TBBS 2.1, when it was released in 1988, did not
>>have Zmodem.  People harped and complained about it since Zmodem had been
>>out for awhile.  Why didn't Phil Becker implement it?  Because there was
>>no standard.  He said that he had taken two copies of DSZ, both just a couple
>>of months apart, and they wouldn't work with each other.  Would it have been
>>a viable business interest for him to implement a potentially buggy Zmodem
>>into TBBS?
> 
>  Phil Becker was full of it, too. There was no problem with Zmodem
> changing, the new releases of DSZ (and the rzsz source) were to work
> on different systems better. Zmodem was very stable and very effective.
> Becker was just avoiding the work. If he couldn't get one DSZ to talk
> to another it was his own stupidity and not that DSZ wouldn't talk to
> an older copy of itself.

	Care to look at the date of release I gave above?  TBBS 2.1 was released
in 1988.  Knowing about how long it takes eSoft to go from development to
release, that would put the design phase somewhere around 1986.  Sure the new
releases of DSZ work fine, but can you dig out two copies from 85-86 to show
me wrong?

> 
>  The committee would have no right to say the first thing about Zmodem.
> The author (Chuck Forsberg) is alive and well and doing business. All
> the details of Zmodem were hammered out before it was released. Don't
> base what that committee should do on one person's (Phil Becker's)
> stupidity.

	*chuckle*  Must say something about eSoft's commitment to getting
a protocol implementation right since TBBS 2.2 incorperates an assembly
language version of Zmodem-90(tm).  Liciensed from Omen no less (Chuck's
company for those who didn't know).

>  Standing for saying "everyone should use TBBS" from what you have
> said so far...

	I will grant you and others that I push TBBS around here a lot
because I really feel confident about the software.  However, I do try
to keep a hold on the reigns when it comes to bashing other software.
If I were to say something blatant like "TBBS is better than xxx software"
I would expect to be chastized for it (as much as I would do anyone else *grin*)

	I haven't seen myself pushing that though.  I try to limit what I
have to say to "it does this and this" and will even be crititical in some parts.  Instead all of this bickering, why not talk about the software you use
and how much you enjoy using it?  :)
 
 TTYL
 Chris
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: 914 area code uccp/internet access
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:58:21 GMT
Organization: Pomona College


Whether or not it's bogus, I'd like to find a nixpub or uucp site in Yonkers,
New Yrok.  THat is, anything accessible in the 914 area code.  It's for an
ex-girlfriend to whom I owe a favor (yes, I know, I'm a loser, but I'm proud).

PLEASE let me know of anything.  I will buy you much beer (or beverage of your
choice) when we meet.  Thank you.

<c>.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: TBBS is too conservative!
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 12:03:32 GMT

In article <BtwKvG.8rt@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> 
>>I see. Still, since DOS is single-tasking, as far as users are
>>concerned DOS + TBBS become one: different people can't shell out to
>>different programs at the same time. 
> 
> actually, the author is very conservative -- he could have easily
> support using expanded memory for the running of external applications,
> be he decided againt it -- eSoft has a history of being conservative --
> look how long it took for zmodem?  And, from what I have heard, TBBS
> still doesn't support quoting or a full screen editor -- and this
> is 1992!
> 

Well, that shows what you DON'T know. TBBS has had full screen editing and
quoting for a year.

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From: dwrage@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (David William Wrage)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: PCBoard & WWIV BBS software
Keywords: PCBoard,WWIV,BBS,WWIVLINK
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:56:33 GMT
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens


I hope I'm putting this in the right newsgroup, if I'm not please don't
flame me, it was unintentional.

I am currently running a BBS (ProDoor-ProLogon-PCBoard & WWIV Door).

my question is:  Is there any software (or door) out there that would allow
me to convert message bases from one format to the other?  My main interest
is to allow my PCBoard side of the BBS to read and write messages to the 
WWIVLink network that has been setup with my WWIV door.

Please E-Mail me directly as to FTP sites that may contain this kind of info.

I will re-post any findings after a sufficent number have been received.
also any information as to ftp sites that handle bbs software & doors and
other utilities is appreciated.

Thank you for any help.
David Wm Wrage
1@16471 (WWIVLink)
dwrage@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Internet)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford)
Subject: Re: Re^2: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:29:48 GMT

>>> 1. MooSe-DOS uses 2K-4K clusters whereas UNIX uses 512byte blocks.

By default, yes, but this can be changed.  On my system, I have 512
byte clusters on a 32 Meg partition under MSDOS 5.0, due to the fact
that my bbs does currently use the *.MSG format.  The smaller cluster
size greatly reduces the slack that I once had.
-- 
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Intergraph Corp  /  \ Micro Magic BBS 1:373/12  Rush/Opus Archive
+1 205 730-8614  \__/ sysop@umagic.fidonet.org  server@ingr.com
fordke@ingr.com  [__] 830-2362 HST/V32bis 9600  "Subject: HELP"
From: Jason.Frye@f120.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jason Frye)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: BBS Philli Area
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:09:22 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/120 - Mac For The Mind, Pittsburgh PA

Could someone please post a list of BB # in the Philli Are, I 
will be attending Drexel in Sept, and would really like to have 
some connect #'s...Preferably for the mac, but any will do, especia-
lly if I can FTP from them ...or get on to IRC.......????

	Thanks

--  
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: tossu@krk.fi (Sami Koskinen)
Subject: Re: What distinguishes "good" BBS software from "bad"?
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:05:04 GMT

david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter) writes:

: How to distinguish "good" BBS software from "bad"?

	This is a question of opinion, but I myself think a good
	software has a perfect message base. The most important
	thing is that the software can do reading in threads
	usefully. QBBS and clones can't do that, for example.
	Offline reading is also a very useful option to have.
	
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