HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos,comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: U4ia RELEIF FUND. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A FEW GOOD SUPPORTERS
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:14:07 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

>He may have only posted once, but this is far from the first posting I've
>seen on U4ia's beggin for money.
>
>Anyway, did you miss the point completely?  There are a *LOT* of Shareware/PD
>authors who've contributed a hell of a lot more to the Amiga community, yet
>when their hardware breaks down do they start campaigns like this?  If U4ia
>wants to release his modules as shareware then fair enough, that's his right.
>But this whole campaign of trying to get people to send him money to fix his
>hardware seems to have gone a bit far if you ask me.
>
>Peter Barton : s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
>
>-- 


Seems we cross our swords again Peter.
Well, if you or anyone out there in the netland can show me a bill that I have
sent to you, then i will gladly stop this so called bickering.
Unless you can show me where i have 'demanded' money from you all.  SHut the
hell up.  I am not asking you to send me money if you don't want to.
What gives you the right to tell me i am demanding money from people.
I do not demand anything from you, so why accuse me of almost stealing from
people????  
I have asked for monetary help, yes i have, but never have i demanded it.

I would just like to point out to those people who get off sending me rude and
curt e-mail messages, that you should find something better to do than whine
on and on and on at me for trying to resolve my solution in the only way i can.
Don't you think i have tried all the solutions you send me daily????  Do you 
really think i am that stupid.  And as for the guy who said to me in an e-mail
"How do we know you aren't pulling a fast one on us?????".  I don't lie my
friend and I don't go much for being accused of it.

Now if you don't like what is happening, don't read/donate/listen/insult me.
As i don't insult you and I have not sent you a bill!!
So get off my back.  Delete my mods from your collection and get out of my face.

If you are just going to respond to this text with another barrage of insults,
don't bother, because i will probably just bounce them back to you.
If you have something to say about it, say it here!!!!
Show your face and say it here.  Or you could just press the 'kill' key on the
topic and not bother to read it as you obviously don't want to know.

Before you reply, just think, what right do you have to call me a reprobate
begging on the streets??? (You know who you are)

There are alot of things i hate about the networks and the things people do.
But i do not insult them or attack them for doing so.  I expect to be treated
in a way you would treat yourself.

And just remember, I have not DEMANDED anything from you.  I asked politely.
Whats wrong with that???

My friends

U4ia of Megawatts
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: kjetilja@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Jacobsen)
Subject: Re: why demos?
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:54:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.223828.18864@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, gothic@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Toby Sargeant) writes:
>Dr.D (bosman@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
>: I think demo making started in the cracker scene. Its a way for a group
>: to show how good they are. Make themselfs known to the rest of
>: the world. Give themself a reputation.
>: 
>	Yeah, It _WAS_.... Now if you take a look at the scene, it is
>pretty much divided. There are groups like Skid Row and Crystal whose
>sole purpose is to crack and distribute, and then there are groups like
>Andromeda, Silents and Melon Dezign who's almost single minded aim is to
>create good productions...
>: up new routines and awesome effects..that 9 out of 10 of those guys
>: wouldnt be able to make a good game. Not cause they miss the coding 
>: experience...im sure if they'd get an assignment with details on what
>: to make they could make it..but just cause it takes a lot of knowledge
>: to develope and design a game.
>: 
>	Yeah? I don't agree. A lot of games programmers are ex demo
>coders, or still do. As another example, what about Deliverance and
>Pinball Dreams/Pinball Dreams II? They were all coded by digital
>illusions, a division of SILENTS.
>	You cant get much closer to the scene than that.... Coding a
>game isn't in my opinion much more difficult than coding a demo. It's
>just longer, and a lot of people don't have that kind of time....
>: 
>: cor 'scorpio' bosman
>				GoThIc/CR/\SS
>(Which came first? the grass or the human?)
>
....Not to miss the number one in action games: TEAM 17 .....they started
out as demo and pd coders....today they are some of the best, and still doing
the occassional demo for some coverdisk!
Ithaqua...born of fire...
From: slmt9@cc.usu.edu (Joshua Dinerstein)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: why demos?
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:14:12 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep9.165003.16181@exu.ericsson.se>, exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
> This is not a flame in any way, shape, or form:  Why do demo coders do it?
> Why do they spend years working on programs which most (not all) people
> watch only a few times and then use solely as an example to show off their
> Amiga's nifty graphics?
	
	I can't speak for anyone else. But I can tell you why I write demos. I
have a job as a programmer. And I get to spend 12 to 14 hours a day working on
it. But I still bome home and play around with the demo stuff that I am doing.
The reason for me is simply freedom. At work I have to do it the bosses way or
even just the "standard" way. This gets a little old to me. But with the demo I
can do it my way. Even if "my" way is to go right to the bare metal and bang on
the hardware!

	So for me it is just the freedom to try anything in anyway without the
someelse saying "You can't do that because..."

	Just my 2 cents,
	Joshua
	SLMT9@cc.usu.edu

> ---
> James Hague   
> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: U4ia RELEIF FUND. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A FEW GOOD SUPPORTERS
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:16:36 GMT

<E66821@TRMETU.BITNET> writes:

>>And besides, if we DO send them money, what would they do with it?
>>No doubt they would go buy more hardware and start writing even more

>    What is wrong with that? What do you think that commercial companies
>    are doing with the trmendous amount of money which they gain..?
>    They do more than buying hardware. They simply become rich..

I *think* EM was being sarcastic .... (At least I *hope* he was...)

>>All we have to do is restrain ourselves from sending money to these
>>people.  Take EdPlayer 2.0 users, for instance.  They set a fine
>>example.

Are we trying to say here that EdPlayer 2.0 users haven't registered? :)

>>                                --Ed.
> Alp K. Tasdemir..
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: greendog@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Michael D. Fischer)
Subject: HELP! Need horiz scroll
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook.
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:51:46 GMT

HELP!  I desperately need to have a horizontal message scroll in a program
I'm writing now.  This is *probably* the simplest thing in the world, but
I don't know a good way to do it.  My program multitasks, so is that a
problem?  It only has to be about 60 pixels high...  Many thanks to anyone
who can help.

Michael
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From: eker@loria.crin.fr (Steven Eker)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Drawing lines
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:37:01 GMT
Organization: CRIN (CNRS) Nancy - INRIA Lorraine

In article <umage.715709408@mcl>, umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (androgyny) writes:
|> Yea me, the novitiate programmer again.
|> OK, i know the blitter will draw lines, but i wanted to try my hand at
|> writing a straight lin edrawer myself.  And now i want to compare with
|> folks here.  Keep in mind i've never had any teaching or theory in this,
|> and i've got a routine which requires 2 divides at the beginning of each
|> line, and from then on is simple adds and checks. (about 2 to 5 per pixel,
|> excluding actually drawing the pixel in ram)  How does this measure up?

Very badly... The algorithm you want is called "Bresenham's Algorithm"
which requires 2 adds & 1 subtract at the beginning of each line
and two adds & a test per pixel. You can actually unwind BA into spagetti
code to avoid the loop (with its test) bringing the cost down to just
3 68k instructions (16cy) /pixel (not including screen accesses).

This might still be to slow for some purposes in which case you want a
more complicated beast called "Bresenham's scanline algorithm" which
lets you draw whole runs of pixels with the same y coordinate in a single
instruction.

Both these algorithms generate the "optimal" line - no cumulative rounding errors.

|> Should i think some more ? ( Of course i should! )

Definitely.

Steven
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:05:58 -0400 
From: Jonathan Michael Kraly <jk72+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DMS

	Seeing as a lot of demos are compressed with dms1.11, I have
decided I should get it.  However, it doesn't seem to be available via
ftp.  Does anybody know how, or where, I can find it?
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Subject: Re: DMS
Reply-To: beck@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:32:54 GMT


In article <8egvh6u00WB4QEXEQY@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jonathan Michael Kraly
<jk72+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>	Seeing as a lot of demos are compressed with dms1.11, I have
>decided I should get it.  However, it doesn't seem to be available via
>ftp.  Does anybody know how, or where, I can find it?
>
It definately is available. Try one of the aminet mirrors near to you
(should be ux1) or in europe (amiga.physik.unizh.ch will name them all)

Be sure to keep your older DMS somewhere, the new one is somewhat buxy
and it didn't unDMS some old archives...
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From: ccsw@bristol.ac.uk (EthaStorm)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: why demos?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:38:58 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In response to "Why do demo coders do it?"

1> Cos it's there (who said climbing a mountian was useful?)
2> Cos it makes us look good.

  EthaStorm  *8)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D)
Subject: Re: why demos?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:34:18 GMT

exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:

>This is not a flame in any way, shape, or form:  Why do demo coders do it?
>Why do they spend years working on programs which most (not all) people
>watch only a few times and then use solely as an example to show off their
>Amiga's nifty graphics?

I think demo making started in the cracker scene. Its a way for a group
to show how good they are. Make themselfs known to the rest of
the world. Give themself a reputation.

>I can understand that asthetic aspects.  I also have a technical appreciation
>for seemingly impossible programming feats.  I'm hoping for a little
>explanation of the demo coder philosophy--what exactly is the spark and
>drive behind this new pseudo-art?
                   ^^^
new? ive had my amiga for 5 years , and ever since the very start there
have been demos. I still have some of those reallyt old ones.
Its wonderful to see how it evolved. 

>[On the one hand, it seems that there just HAS to be some kind of
>underlying inspiration which causes people to spend ridiculous amounts
>of time on something of no practical value (that is, you'd think anyone
>wanting a year-long project would write a game or other program).  On
>the other hand, though, there is a juvenile amateurism (really bad
>grammar, impossible to read fonts, lots of pointless four-letter words
>and crude comments) which makes me think most demo coders are a bunch
>of angst-ridden asolescents trying to fight the system.]

Like I said earlier. I think most of the demo coding comes from 
cracker groups wanting to advertise themselfs..like any business would do.
And believe me..cracking seems to be big business nowdays.
(I do not say its good or bad to crack..thats for politicians to decide :)
I also think...altho some democoders are VERY good in making and thinking
up new routines and awesome effects..that 9 out of 10 of those guys
wouldnt be able to make a good game. Not cause they miss the coding 
experience...im sure if they'd get an assignment with details on what
to make they could make it..but just cause it takes a lot of knowledge
to develope and design a game.

Anyways..im drifting off :) I hope demo coders will continue their
excellent work. I have enjoyed countless hours just watching them on
rainy afternoons. 

cor 'scorpio' bosman

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From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Famous writers birth data
Date: 11 Sep 1992 00:50:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, abadmota@paul.rutgers.edu (Soraya Abad Mota) says:

>
>Hi!
>  I am looking for the complete birth data of Anais Nin and Henry
>Miller. If you know it or know where I could find it please let
>me know.
>
>Thanks,
>Soraya Abad-Mota (abadmota@paul.rutgers.edu)
>



Anais Nin
	Feb 21, 1903  8:30pm LMT
	Paris, FRA
	48n52  2e20
	"Blackwell quotes Miller"  ("C" data -- not confirmed for accuracy)


Henry Miller
	Dec 26, 1891  12:30pm EST
	Brooklyn, NY
	40n38  73w57
	"Church of Light quotes autobiography"
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: joanna@wam.umd.edu (Joanna)
Subject: Anyone having trouble with Astrolog.zip?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:41:36 GMT


Hi...I was wondering if anyone has had trouble ftping astrolog.zip and
transferring it to their computers.  I'm having the hardest time.  When I
tried to unzip the file, I got a message that said it couldn't create
the image/file...Does this mean that I missed part of the file when I was
transferring it?!?!?!?!

Help.
Joanna.



Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano)
Subject: Zodiac Constellations
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:23:07 GMT

	Greetings all. I am new to this newsgroup, and I am surprised to
find so many messages devoted to such a thoroughly discredited
superstition as astrology. Yes, that's right, I'm a skeptic (couldn't
guess could you! :-) ). I read the FAQ, found some of the "answers" to the
questions I have been wanting to ask for some time, eg precession of the
equinoxes. However, I have a couple of questions which weren't covered in
the FAQ.
1) How do you claim to account for the fact that the sun spends 3 weeks in
the constellation of Ophiuchus each year, which is not considered by
astrologers, compared to just 8 days in Scorpius, which is? Does a person
born in the first 3 weeks of december not have a personality?

2) I noticed in the FAQ a lot of "science does not know everything, there
are more things in heaven and earth" sort of talk. This is true, but how
can you claim to know this privileged knowledge that even science can't
find? It seems to me to be the height of arrogance to claim this.

	As I'm sure you know, many skeptics groups have rewards offered
for correct predictions by astrologers. In particular, Australian Skeptics
offers $10,000 to any astrologer who can, given someone's date and time of
birth, and the dates and times of ten events in their life, state what
those events were. Until such time as this challenge is taken up, I remain
unconvinced.

Glenn Capuano
Science Student
Monash University
Melbourne
From: mquellas@netcom.com (Matthew Quellas)
Subject: Re: I-CHING (Chinese Astrology)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:28:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

u8902989@cs.uow.edu.au (Chung Ming Liu) writes:

>I'm doing this posting for my father, his has been researching in the chinese
>astrology method of I-CHING for quite some time, and would like to know does
>anyone out there share the same interest in I-CHING.
----------------------------------
	You or your father might be interested in =The
Astrology of the I Ching= translated from the 'Ho Map Lo Map
Rational Number' Manuscript by W.K. Chu; edited and
commentaries by W.A. Sherrill; Samuel Weiser Inc, 1979.
Although I have used the I Ching for the last twenty-five
years and have found it an excellent tool for divination, I
was not especially intrigued by this method. I must admit,
though, that I have not looked at it in years.  



-- 
	Matthew Quellas
		mquellas@netcom.com  m
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Zodiac Constellations
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:48:42 EDT

In article <1992Sep11.072307.28503@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano) writes:
> 	Greetings all. I am new to this newsgroup, and I am surprised to
> find so many messages devoted to such a thoroughly discredited
> superstition as astrology. Yes, that's right, I'm a skeptic (couldn't
> guess could you! :-) ). I read the FAQ, found some of the "answers" to the
> questions I have been wanting to ask for some time, eg precession of the
> equinoxes. However, I have a couple of questions which weren't covered in
> the FAQ.
> 1) How do you claim to account for the fact that the sun spends 3 weeks in
> the constellation of Ophiuchus each year, which is not considered by
> astrologers, compared to just 8 days in Scorpius, which is? Does a person
> born in the first 3 weeks of december not have a personality?

Because it is based on the seasons, not on arbitrary stellar assignments.

> 
> 2) I noticed in the FAQ a lot of "science does not know everything, there
> are more things in heaven and earth" sort of talk. This is true, but how
> can you claim to know this privileged knowledge that even science can't
> find? It seems to me to be the height of arrogance to claim this.
> 

Dunno why it works, but it does. BTW, ASTRO271 is worth the registration fee...


> 	As I'm sure you know, many skeptics groups have rewards offered
> for correct predictions by astrologers. In particular, Australian Skeptics
> offers $10,000 to any astrologer who can, given someone's date and time of
> birth, and the dates and times of ten events in their life, state what
> those events were. Until such time as this challenge is taken up, I remain
> unconvinced.

First of all, nothing will convince a sceptic. Secondly an ethereal 'offer'
of $10K is meaningless in this (or any) forum.

> 
> Glenn Capuano
> Science Student
> Monash University
> Melbourne

Garrett Van Cleef
Physicist, Ph. D.
Department of Chemistry
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio, USA


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe)
Subject: Re: SATURN
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 04:24:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

A headline in the San Jose Mercury News today:
SATURN STAMPS OUT MISTAKES.  The auto maker is crushing
1696 recalled cars because their coolant had been
contaminated by a corrosive.  Too bad GM didn't
consult an astrologer before deciding on a name for the 
division.

BTW, does anyone have Woody Allen's birthdata?  I wonder
what's transiting his chart now.
-- 
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they are another's." - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692.
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: fridev@dhhalden.no (FRIDE VEDDE)
Subject: Re: SATURN
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:50:15 GMT

In article <27397.2AAB94FA@psycho.fidonet.org> Paul.Donohue@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Donohue) writes:
>From: Paul.Donohue@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Donohue)
>Subject: SATURN
>Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 09:59:11 EDT
>Hi David.
>Right now Saturn is right around my natal Mars at 14Aq25 (on the cusp of
>the fifth, in sextile to natal sun at 15Ar39 in the seventh). I'd
>appreciate any comments.  FYI, the natal data for me is 4/5/58 at 5:54PM
> EST, 73W38 40N45 (Mineola, NY).
>
>Thanks !
>
>Paul
>
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: u8902989@cs.uow.edu.au (Chung Ming Liu)
Subject: I-CHING (Chinese Astrology)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:45:25 GMT

I'm doing this posting for my father, his has been researching in the chinese
astrology method of I-CHING for quite some time, and would like to know does
anyone out there share the same interest in I-CHING.



Chung Ming Liu (Samuel)
University of Wolllongong, Australia.
u8902989@cs.uow.edu.au
From: Paul.Donohue@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Donohue)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: SATURN
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 09:59:11 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

Hi David.
Right now Saturn is right around my natal Mars at 14Aq25 (on the cusp of
the fifth, in sextile to natal sun at 15Ar39 in the seventh). I'd
appreciate any comments.  FYI, the natal data for me is 4/5/58 at 5:54PM
 EST, 73W38 40N45 (Mineola, NY).

Thanks !

Paul

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