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From: ram@shukra.Eng.Sun.COM (Renu Raman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:33:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <3864@key.COM> rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns) writes:
>
>How do other folks feel about this? What does the evidence claim?
>What I've heard is that although Sparc as been cheaper to "scale"
>to using faster technology, the other companies have just used
>sheer brute force and financial muscle to gain and advantage over
>Sun.
>
>What are other folks thoughts?

 Most of the current crop of RISC architectures are fundamentally similar
 and if one were to apply the same compiler and implementation 
 techniques to all of them  - its possible to find all of them within
 a few % points of each other in terms of performance, cost etc.

 Its just that different companines have made different trade-offs in
 their investment and development of any particular processor at any
 given time and that manifests itself as the cost and performance
 differentiator. As one can notice, no one architecture has been the
 leader in the past 5 years - its been switching at a farily
 good pace and I believe it will continue to be the case. 

 The 'running out of gas' thing is pure marketing drivel and I have
 heard many marketing depts calling the other one as such.

 Darwin's law of 'survival of the fittest' very aptly applies
 to this business as well. Its not the most elegant or beautiful
 animal will survive - its one that knows or figures out how to
 survive.

 renu raman
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From: NetCmmnd@boole.uucp (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Organization: Boole & Babbage, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:31:43 GMT

In <1992Nov11.075828.6425@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> writes:

>In article <1dpbvnINN1j5@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)  
>writes:
>> harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:
>> 
>> >Just caught the official announcement this morning. $3995 for
>> >a 15 inch color, 200MB SPARC (Tsunami).
>> 
>> The price is $4k "in qtys of 12+".  Does that mean the list price
>> is $4.5k or so?
>> 
>> I don't like the 15" color screen -- would have far preferred a bigger
>> mono screen.  I do nothing with colour :-(
>> Is there a 17+" mono option to replace the 15"?  (Is the ELC still
>> what it used to be?)
>> 
>> Is Solaris 2 now standard with all these systems?

>The SPARCclassic single-quantity price is $4,295.

>The SPARCstation LX (424 MB disk; 16 MB RAM; 16-inch color monitor; GXplus  
>accelerator; CD-quality audio; ISDN) is $7,995.

>Solaris 2.1 is bundled with both machines.

>Both systems are rated 59.1 MIPS, 26.4 SPECint92, and 21.0 SPECfp92.

>-- 
># Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405
># monty%roscom@think.com

How does a 50MHz chip achieve 59.1 MIPS?
I thought the (never achieved without superscalar) holy grail
of RISC design was 1 instruction per cycle.  If they are getting
better than 1 instruction per cycle on the microSPARC(tm) that is
as exciting engineering news as the prices are business news.

II
I know that MIPS is about the sloppiest term around, but what
can they possible mean when they use it here?

John Ahlstrom
Boole & Babbage
408-524-3307

I can neither confirm nor deny that these questions
are interesting or not to any one else.


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From: hahn@fx.com (Tim Hahn)
Subject: sparc workstation product information?
Keywords: Workstation Purchase Sparc Information
Organization: FXD/Telerate, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:25:25 GMT


What are reliable sources of information regarding various sparc
workstation (1, 1+, 2, etc) pricing and configurations?  I'm tired of
the "leave-the-message-at-the-beep-but-never-get-called-back"
foolishness from Sun's telemarketing 'droids.

thanks,

Tim
From: montjoy@thor.ece.uc.edu (Robert Montjoy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun is violating the Ethernet-Spec with its
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:51:04 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Hi.

In article <BxC6qA.FIz@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.165432.4917@news.duc.auburn.edu> elling@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>Rule #1 for ethernets, turn off SQE.  I know of no hardware made in a
>>*long* time that needs SQE...
I think you are confused on what SQE is used for.
>
>Are you sure you don't have this backwards?  It's the old hardware that
>*didn't* do SQE and could react badly to it.  A fair bit of new stuff
>does get unhappy if it doesn't see SQE.
The SQE signal is a TEST signal. It tests to see if the
collision decection software is working. Whenever possible it
should be turned on. It does not get out on to the Ethernet.
It is just between transciever and device.
>
>>... If you have SQE enabled, the transceiver
>>can put extra junk on the trunk that may contribute to collisions.
If the transceiver is acting this way it is "badly broken".
>
>Documentation, please, preferably including identification of specific
>models of transceiver which do this.  SQE is supposed to be entirely,
>completely, 100% local to the drop cable.  No properly-functioning
>transceiver will put anything on the Ethernet itself as a result of
>SQE.  (With one proviso:  that you follow the rule saying "no SQE on
>transceivers connected to a repeater".)
This is correct(except some DEC multi-port FANOUT boxes work 
better without(DELNI).


BTW see my other posting.



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From: hofu@nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Holzfuss,2d-111,16-2884)
Subject: Sony CDrom and SS10?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:23:09 GMT
Reply-To: hofu@nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de
Organization: TH-Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

Hi,
one of our vendors spread rumours about SONY cdroms needing
a ``little''  modification to run with a SS10. This can't
really be true. Can anybody confirm this?
Thanks.

J. H.
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From: neeraj@metrix.UUCP (Neeraj Sangal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SBUS Card - Master or Slave
Keywords: SBUS ethernet master slave
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:08:07 GMT
Organization: Metrix Network Systems, Nashua, NH


I am trying to understand the merits and demerits of master vs slave
ethernet SBUS card. Originally all of the ethernet cards were built as
bus masters; now Sun has come out with an ethernet/SCSI card which is a
slave. Apparently, this has been done for higher performance.

Does anybody have any detailed or even back of the envelope type of
calculations which would show the merit/demerit of either approach?
What are the reasons which would make one approach superior to another?
Please email directly to me and I will summarize.

Neeraj Sangal
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From: bern@Uni-Trier.DE (Jochen Bern)
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Originator: bern@kleopatra
Organization: Theor. CS, FB IV / CS, Univ. of Trier, Germany (Internet TI.Uni-Trier.DE)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:34:32 GMT

In <BxM6vq.7MD@fig.citib.com> ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.093151.29752@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp>, ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji") writes:
>|> [...] I always wonder why
>|> people don't feed cold air into computer devices rather than cool the
>|> room. [...]
>Hmm. Maybe because the resulting condensation would cause a short-circuit?

What resulting condensation? Condensation occurs when Air with a considerable
Amount of Humidity is COOLED DOWN, thus losing partially its Ability to con-
tain Vapor. When you move Air to a Place which is HOTTER, it would actually
dry this Place up. Exception: The Air is cooled down again, e. g. when it hits
the Computers' Cover. Using COLD Air would even help in this, since there
normally is no Water inside of Computers :-) and the Cover would have to
cool the Air at least to below its initial Temperature to cause condensation.
Greetings,
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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SparcStation 10 and multiprocessing
Keywords: Sparc10 Multiprocessing
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:01:37 GMT
Organization: cic

bill@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bill Hewitt) writes:

>My original understanding was that Sparc10 machines would be able to
>use >1 processor under SunOS4.1.3, but that multi threading would only
>become possible under Solaris2.0.

Note that the "multi threading" you are referring to means the multi-threaded
kernel. This kernel is in SunOS 5.0 and up. Multi-threading applications
is already possible with SunOS 4.1.x, with the light-weight process library.

>Since then I have heard noises that Sparc10 machines will only support
>more than one processor after Solaris2.0.

>Can anyone give me a definative answer on this ? We will have sparc10
>machines real soon now, but won't be upgrading until at least next
>summer, so obviously any system upgrade plans will need to take into
>consideration when we can add an extra processor to our existing sparc10.

The definitive answer is:
	- SunOS 4.1.2 and 4.1.3 support multiple Ross chips.
	  These are the Cypress processors used in the first Mbus card.
	  They are available in the 6x0MP models, *not* in the SS10.

	- This support uses a single-threaded kernel, creating a
	  performance bottleneck for most usages. One notable exception
	  I encountered is the Progress database. It's code runs almost
	  entirely in user context.

	- The new TI Viking chips used in the -20, -30, -41 and -5x
	  models are only supported in single processor configurations
	  by SunOS 4.1.3. This is probably a marketing decision.

	- The only supported multiprocessor Viking configurations
	  are the -52 and the -54, as far as I know. At least there
	  is not model -42 in my pricelist.

	- These configurations are supported by SunOS 5.1 and later.
	  SunOS 5.1 is a part of Solaris 2.1 (along with OpenWindows
	  and Deskset 3.1).

	- While we are at it, the TI Tsunami processor is also supported
	  starting with SunOS 5.1. If you still haven't heard about this
	  processor, wait till next week.

>Thanks in advance for any help.

>As a subsidiary question, does anyone out there who is running a
>multiprocessor Sun or Solbourne have a feel for the speedup when a
>processor is added to a server that serves multiple logins over
>conventional and X terminals ?

As far as I know, for this kind of an application, a four processor
6x0MP with SUnOS 4.1.[23] can be slower than a two processor model.
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From: popineau@tintin.ese-metz.fr (Fabrice Popineau)
Subject: Cypher tape
Organization: Supelec, Etablissement de Metz, France.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:04:00 GMT
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Hi netters,

I have a Cypher (60M , QIC 11/QIC 24) tape that I'm using on a Sun.
I don't have the documentaion concerning this tape. There are 8 switches
that now shows 10100000 (1 stands for on, 0 for off) and the tape is
at adress=/dev/rst1 . 

Does anybody knows what is the real SCSI adress of this tape and how I
can change it ?

Thanks, 

Fabrice Popineau

PS : this tape drive comes from an old Ridge Risc machine sold by Bull as 
a SPS-9 !
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From: vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Disabling the fan on a Sparc - Any ideas ??
Keywords: fan noise
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:43:31 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Nov6.201532.20517@usl.edu> pml@cajun18.cacs.usl.edu (Patrick M. Landry) writes:

>I have my SS2 sitting on my desk directly in front
>of me with the monitor on top of it. I too found it a bit
>noisy. I discovered though that simply blocking the opening
>in the front of the slab between the two front feet prevented
>a large amount of noise from coming out the front directly
>at me. There are still large openings on the sides for 
>ventalation. If you try this make sure the sides are clear.
>This has made a LARGE difference to me. Just something less
>readical to try.

SS2 has 2 fans.. SS1 has only one, and the disk drives are
untouchable hot. To SS2 they added a small fan which blows
through the bottom of the case, and probably makes the noise
you are blocking away. The disk drives are hot, but not as
hot as in SS1.

I asked Sun about changing the internal disks to bigger and faster ones...
they said it was not 'supported' because of ventilation problems.. 

VesA

I asked local sun about adding more disk
From: censjg@caledonias3.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Simon Greaves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 386i comments, good buy?
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:26:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

I've been offered a Sun 386i at what seems a good price, _but_ I'm not familliar with this particular flavour of Sun. I have used both Sun 3 and Sun 4 machines, with SunOS 4.0.3 to 4.1.3, and I'm aware that the 386i is based on Intel 386 hardware, but what I really want to know is just how compatible these machines are, what their limitations/shortcomings are, anything else I should know?..

I want something I can compile pd stuff, especially X11R5, epoch/emacs, gcc, all these sorts of things. I'm aware that the commercially available stuff will be limited/nonexistant, but I don't expect to use that anyway, I just need something BSDish for late night hacking at home..

Also, I have a Sony 19" monitor, similar to the ones supplied by Sun with SPARC's, but it has 5 BNC connectors, RGB Hsync and Vsync. Unfortunately I have no documentation for the monitor, but I know it works (connected to an RT). Can I connect this to a Sun framebuffer? Does anyone have any info on the Sun framebuffer pin designations? Are the framebuffers compatible with all sun machines (ie Sun 386i, 3/60, SPARC1)

Thanks for any help/comments 

(email preferred, (Janet is gatewayed by nsfnet-relay))
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From: jsorenso@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu (JEFFREY MARIUS SORENSON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Memory Woes
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:21:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: lib.7763
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas Medical School at Houston
Originator: jsorenso@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu

We've just installed about $1K worth of RAM (an additional 16M to our
existing 16M) in one of our SPARCstation2 computers. Installation was
a snap, but now I'm having problems getting the system to recognize the memory.
At boot up, it claims that only 16M are installed.  The documentation from SUN
that came with the SIMMS has no trouble shooting section at all.  Do I need to
reconfigure the kernal?  Browsing all of our technical manuals, I could find
no obvious way to ask UNIX the simple question : "How much RAM do you know
about?"  The only way I know how to query about memory is to halt the computer
(Stop-A) and execute test /memory.  I was suprised to find that this test failed.
It claimed that 3 of the 4 original SIMMS (in memory bank 0) were faulty.
I ran it again to find that all four bank 0 SIMMs were faulty! I went down the
hall and found out that ALL of our SPARCs fail this test!  Either all of our
"factory" SPARCs have faulty SIMMs or the test /memory diagnostic is flakey.

This is extemely frustrating! Has anybody had a similar experience? Does
anyone have any suggestions?

-Jeff
 
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From: michael.iarrobino@east.sun.com (Mike Iarrobino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Keywords: SPARCClassic Solaris
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:04:21 GMT
Reply-To: michael.iarrobino@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

>Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu wrote:
>>
>>Is Solaris 2 now standard with all these systems?
>
>Yes Solaris 2.X

Here's the real story:

The new desktop machines from Sun do not come with the OS preinstalled.
They are loaded with a feature called JumpStart which will load the OS from
CD.

*	New JumpStart(TM) feature enables customized 
*	installation of users' operating environments and 
*	application software; this feature will be preinstalled
*	on the internal disks of:								*
*		- SPARCclassic systems
*		- SPARCstation LX systems
*		- SPARCstation 10 and SPARCserver 10 
*		  (uniprocessor and multiprocessor 
*		  configurations)
*	Platforms with JumpStart as the default (SPARCclassic,
*	SPARCstation LX, SPARCsystem 10 Models 30 and 41) MUST	
*	have access to a Solaris 2.1 CD-ROM (ordered 
*	separately) to perform automatic installation							*
*	SPARCstation ELC(TM), SPARCstation IPC(TM), 
*	SPARCstation IPX(TM), and SPARCstation 2 ordering 
*	procedures are UNCHANGED - they will continue to be
*	preinstalled with Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A.


The specific breakdown of OS supported and preinstalled is as follows:

			Before 12/7	12/7 and after
OS Supported
------------
- SPARCclassic, SPARCstation LX	n/a	Solaris 2.1

- SPARCstation 10 Model 30 		Solaris 1.1	Solaris 1.1, 2.1
  and 41 (1 cpu module)

- SPARCstation 10 Model 41		n/a	Solaris 2.1
  (2 cpu modules)

- 4c machines			Solaris 1.0,	Solaris 1.0, 1.0.1,
			1.0.1, 1.1	1.1, 2.0 and 2.1
			and 2.0

- SPARCserver 600MP Model		Solaris 1.0.1,	Solaris 1.0.1, 1.1
  120 and 140			1.1	and 2.1

- SPARCserver 600MP Model 41	Solaris 1.1	Solaris 1.1, 2.1
  (1 cpu module)

- SPARCstation 600MP Mod 41)	n/a	Solaris 2.1
  (2 cpu modules


What's Preinstalled on the Disk
-------------------------------
- SPARCclassic, SPARCstation LX	n/a	JumpStart

- SPARCstation 10 Model 30, 41	Solaris 1.1	Solaris 1.1, JumpStart
  (1 cpu module)

- 4c machines			Solaris 1.1	Solaris 1.1

Notes:	* Desktops with JumpStart must have access to a Solaris
	  2.1 CD (ordered separately) to do automatic installation.
	  Solaris 2.1 is NOT preinstalled on the disk.
	* SPARCserver 600MP Series machines are NOT preinstalled with
	  anything.
	* The SPARCstation 10 will have BOTH Solaris 1.1 and 
	  JumpStart on the disk THROUGH THE END OF DECEMBER
	  to give customers maximum flexibility.  Starting in
	  January, these systems will ONLY have JumpStart.


Solaris 1.0 == SunOS 4.1.1
Solaris 1.0.1 == SunOS 4.1.2
Solaris 1.1 == SunOS 4.1.3

If you're ordering any of the new machine make sure that you order at least
one copy of the OS. In fact for any of the machines you should have at least
one copy around, even the preinstalled systems, in case you ever need to
reinstall the machine or need to load additional system packages which
may not be preinstalled.
From: fontana@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Fontana)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: HELP: SCSI - Initiator AND Target
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:09:09 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

I come back with the same question I posted a few days ago:

     Does the SCSI driver of the SUNs implement the full SCSI
     protocol (including the ability to act alternatively as
     an initiator and as a target) ?

If you have worked with Asynchronous Event Notification (AEN), you
have most probably looked into it (the target becomes the initiator
to send the data to the master, as they arrive).

So far, I got two opposite answers:

According to cummings@falcon.natinst.com, the SUN driver CANNOT be
used as a target.

According to root@di.epfl.ch,
> Le premier avis que je t'ai donne via l'intermediaire de Sun etait
> faux. Apres de plus ample recherche, il s'avere que c'est possible.
> Sun suivant totalement la norme SCSI. De plus les gens de chez Sun
> ont vu passes des news la dessus. Il y a eu entre autre des essais
> de relier deux stations via le bus SCSI. Helas, ils n'ont pas stocke
> l'information, mais ces news ont passe soit sur la conference 
> comp.sys.sun.hardware ou comp.sys.sun.misc. En posant la question sur
> celle-ci, il y a de forte chance que tu ailles une reponses.

(After further investigations, it looks like it is possible, as SUN
 fully implements the SCSI norm. People from SUN read news about it,
 but did not store them...)

     If you remember about those news, please mail me or re-post them.

I need to get an answer, as it would be very interesting to use this
feature, if it is available.


Thank's for mailing me your answers, I'll post a summary of them.

Pierre Fontana

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From: mugsy@winton.uucp (Michael G. Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:34:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: winton.wpi.edu

>>> In article....ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji") writes:
>>> The best temperature for workstations,..., well, below 50C absolutely,
>>> but below 35 degrees Centigrade is the manufacturers recommendation. 

>> In article...mugsy@winton.uucp (Michael G. Bruce) writes:
>> That's 122F and 95F respectively for you barbarians...

> In article...acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette) writes:
> MOST systems publish +10degrees C to +40C.
> Servers and large machines last a lot longer at the cooler end(25C or less).

Exactly my point...I thought Dr. Tsuji's figures looked a bit high :)
                     ^^^^^^^


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