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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:21:35 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>Even if there were 2 X more DOS multi-line systems, I doubt
>>they would have as much power as a network of UNIX systems (and I
>>mean hosts, not the users on those systems). 

>I have to agree with Dave on this -- running DOS on a fast machine
>that could easily run UNIX is a handicap -- of course, unless the
>sysop doesn't want to learn UNIX.  A Unix BBS will have many more
>options and features than a DOS BBS -- and Unix from the ground up
>was designed to support multiple users.  

When I studied the options for multi-line, I soon realized that
what I wanted was both multi-line and multi-tasking so I could
use the same machine for program development, accounting, and
other purposes at the same time. The only way I could do this
before on a DOS machine was to have two machines! 

The only multi-tasking program I've tried for DOS is DesqView and as
far as I could tell it had a huge (and I mean HUGE) handicap: when a
program asked to write the disk, it wrote the disk!  That meant that
if you had more than only a few proceses writing the disk that the
heads were working like crazy. But UNIX doesn't just write to disk
when an individual process ask to do so, but organizes the writes so
the heads move across the disks smoothly. 

I'm not 100% sure of this, and maybe DesqView et all have been
changed since I ran my tests a couple of years ago, but IMHO a
mail/news machine is I/O bound, thus efficient use the disk(s) is a
major consideration. 

>TBBS is limited -- TDBS is inflated and limited as well -- but 
>due to TBBS's design, TDBS was their only option.   With a real
>OS like UNIX, multiple users can be in real dbase, while another
>in foxbase, while another runnning Word Perfect, while another
>can be running TBBS under Merge (yes -- It does work -- at least
>2.2 single line of which I have a licence for from way back)..

Right, that's a major consideration. For example, with Aegis, some
people want to run Waffle (a BBS-like user interface), some people
want the Bourne shell, some C-shell, some tcsh, some DOS programs
under VPIX and so on. 

Instead of trying to wrack your brains and decide which is 'best'
you just let people run whatever stuff you can provide. Meanwhile,
you can be compiling and installing more as they do and all on
one machine (or a LAN of multiple machines that function as one).

Dave

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,news.software.b
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:36:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>We have a news spool on one machine mounted via NFS and run the
>>threader on a second machine.  Seems to beef up the operation.
>>Also, INN may be a workable alternative to cnews, providing even
>>faster expires, etc.

>Does INN batch as incoming news arrives?  QM did this, as it opened
>a bundle, it would toss and write the articles out to the individual
>directory names (ie: a name for each site) then run a job afterwards to
>compress the previous bundled when scanned outbound traffic.  None of
>this writing of togo files and batching at other times -- ie: instant
>batching of news as it arrives.

That looks a bit confusing as it was Ralph that mentioned INN. As I
said in another post, I don't know about INN/Cnews but I have my
Bnews configured so it doesn't unbatch news as it arrives. This way
it can come in on the gateway machine (has the modems on it) but can
be unbatched later and/or on a different machine. 

I'm just setting up the TCP/IP & NFS but I've found this convenient
before: if I need to fiddle with news, I let news come onto the system
but leave it unbatched until things are ready to roll again.

Dave

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From: marks@mgse.UUCP (Mark Seiffert)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:38:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: mgse

In article <1992Aug25.235416.19192@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine) writes:
| In article <1992Aug25.122314.859@aspentec.com> tto@aspentec.com writes:
| >
| >As a user, I would like to see more information available.  Thus, I would
| >like to know about sites that does not give free access to first time
| >callers such as John's.  On the other hand, I would also like to see the
| >information organized in a sensible way; and having John publishing a list
| >that largely duplicates Phil's just adds more confusion.
| 
| Hear, hear! I agree. As a user, I feel a little short-changed finding
| out that sites like the two in Atlanta aren't listed. Coincidentally,
| I just recently had someone asking me for the location of a public
| access site in Atlanta and didn't have anything to tell him. It's not
| a big deal for most people to have to *talk* on the phone instead of
| being able to do online registration.
| 

I agree, I think that the list maintainer should give sites that charge a 
fee top billing in his file and double the number of lines allowed for 
these special commercial sites. Why should John have to advertise his site
when the list maintainer should be doing it for him free.

[Sarcasm off] It sounds like John is whistling Dixie.com out the wrong end.

| 
| -- 
| scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- Stuart M. Castergine
| Fiver: "Oh, Hazel, look! The field! It's covered with blood!"
| Hazel: "Don't be silly, it's only the light of the sunset." -- Watership Down


Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:07:07 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

jim@n5ial.chi.il.us writes:

>>>But aren't there only TWO "public access" sites in Atlanta?  Two
>>>systems missing from out of 130 doesn't automatically make the
>>
>>Problems finishing the sentence?

>problems reading the next line of his post that you so conveniently
>deleted?  I went back a few articles, and gee, look what I found...seems
>he was quite capable of finishing the sentence.  strange how you chose not
>to notice that part.

Always interesting to see people like jim who are totally devoid of 
anything useful to say and yet wants to be heard so bad that they
use a whole article to pick a nit like that.  Boring life, huh?

John
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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:52:09 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:

>Yes, MOST DOS based BBS systems have some sort of database and flat-file
>format.  What the human above was talking about (the *.MSG message bases) 
>obviously has NOT done any recent homework, or is using very outdated
>software.
That 'human above' (how do you know I'm no alien? :) was talking about his own
system which uses a *.MSG message base. And that was because I was
experimenting with UFGate because *.MSG is the only thing UFGate understands.
The BBS package I use is Maximus 2.0 which is perfectly capable of storing
messages in a Squish type database, so I *did* my homework recently and I
don't use outdated software (although UFGate may be outdate).

>Just makeing things clear to those who also may not know.
Of course. But anyway, the story about the *.MSG message base still is valid
for ANY file on the machine and is not only limited to messages. If you have
many files in the download directory, you lose diskspace too. And the Maximus
help and misc files are a pain in the *ss too (hundreds of small .BBS and
.MEC files). Generally speaking you lose 1K or 2K for every file on the
system depending on the block size being 2K or 4K.

Greetings,
Peter Busser
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From: zuo@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Li Zuo)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: need bbs list for 206 area(Redmond in Seattle)
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:33:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

I am going to move to 206 area in Seattle and would like to know how to
access to USENET at that area. Currently, I have a UNIX account in our
university so that I can access to USENET. Can I still access to UAENET at
Seattle without any charge ? How  ? any help will be appreciated.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:10:39 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

bforob@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (WBFO 88.7 FM -- Rob Rothkopf) writes:

>In article <BtE0IG.Cwu@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes...
>>cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>> 
>>>> for DOS machines, maybe -- but DOS machines don't rule the
>>>> world.  DOS machines make up the majority of single line BBS
>>>> systems -- yes -- 
>>>> 
>> 
>>Unix machines in number exceed DOS machines when referring to multiline
>>operarations -- take the typical university for example, at Notre Dame
>>they have anywhere from 60-250 folks on on machine during the day
>> 
>>here, we usually run 10 users.  On our machine in Indy -- 12 users is
>>typical.  We have users running DOS, the unix BBS, in shells, another
>>runs Word Perfect, etc -- try that under DOS.

>Where I am, we're running 12 nodes locally on a bbs, and 2 dial-in's.  Each of 
>the 12 nodes is running DesqView under MSDos, running both Word Perfect, BBS, 
>an internal Corporate Database system and Emacs all at the same time.. since 
>you asked :-).

Hold on, you say "each of the 12 nodes is running DesqView". That
sounds like you have multiple machines, not multiple tasks running
on one machine/OS. 

If you're these nodes=tasks under DesqView on a single machine, what
kind of chip and ports do you have? 

If not, how are the 12 nodes=machines connected to each other?

Thanks,

Dave

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From: baloo@mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: 16550 uart chips question
Summary: question
Keywords: chip
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:33:25 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences


  I have been considering buying a new serial card for my computer.  I have a 14.4 modem and run a multitasker.  I sometimes lose characters when downloading.  Wil this chip really stop that?

Kevin
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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS is too conservative!
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:06:38 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>look how long it took for zmodem?  And, from what I have heard, TBBS
>>still doesn't support quoting or a full screen editor -- and this
>>is 1992!

>No, both of those are definitely wrong.  It has quoting and a full
>screen editor.

Hmm.. 2 of the local boards are running the latest and they
don't have either --

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From: cybrspc!wwiv!84-500@cs.umn.edu (sysadmin#lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) #84 @500)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Seeking advice for for free BBS software
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:23:49 GMT

1120-503@wwiv.cojones.com (JDOYLE#deimos.ucc.umass.edu (JAMES R DOYLE) #1120 @50 writes:

> I am looking for advice and information on public-domain BBS software for
> Unix (compatible with DEC Ultrix V4.2A or BSD4.3). Basically, I will be

Its not public domain but it is inexpensive anyways.  Look at Waffle v1.65.
It is a multi-platform software written for both Unix and MS/DOS.  I run a
copy here on my DOS 386sx.  E-mail dell@vox.darkside.com for details or FTP it
anonymous from SIMTEL-20 or its many mirrors.  It can be found at halcyon.com
under /wuarchive/mirrors/msdos/waffle as WAF165.ARJ [obviously it can also be
found at wuarchive.wustl.edu -Ed].

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: TBBS limitations
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:46:38 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>From what I other people have said, TBBS can run multi-TBBS-tasks,
>that is applications that have been coded especially for it by
>eSoft. It can't run ordinary DOS programs/utilities that the SA
>might like to beg/borrow/use that have been written by others. But,
>hey, if that's all you need why not go for it!

The selection from eSoft is very, very limited indeed..  From the
limited selection (and the way eSoft is supporting developers) it
is obvious that eSoft wants to keep tight control on what is available.

>Well, I guess about all you can do is *chuckle* when your arguments
>have been shown to hold any water like sieve. I hope your users are
>naive enough to go for them! 

I agree.  

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From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:38:15 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug24.064240.25906@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbarry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.024543.25017@pdnfido.fidonet.org> erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:
>>Makes sense...  Charge the handicapped.  Park in their parking spots while
>>your at it, in fact, why not put in a few extra steps on the enterance to the
>>TDD repair shop???  
>	
>	Uh, What?
> 
>	If you're trying to say that everything should be absolutely free...
>	I can't go along with that.  Space, functions, people, all cost
>	money.  With some organizations (like ours), the "handicapped" 
>	(being one myself) tend to be "charged" a minimal amount (I think
>	we charged about $10.00 for three days of conferences and special
>	programs).  Sorry if that's unacceptable to you - they all seemed
>	to be appreciative.

I didn't say absolutly free, but re-reading the past few of our posts, I guess
we now are arguing the same point.  Oh well.  It is a strange world we live in
here, isn't it?  :-)

>	As for a few extra steps to the TDD shop, that's not a problem...
>	(smirk)... it's those speed bumps on the wheelchair ramps that
>	*I* would object to!

:-)  Did you cross-post this one to rec.hunor.funny?  :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: TBBS limitations
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:20:34 GMT

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>Not quite.  If you want to run external programs, TBBS does indeed
>have to shut down, and they're run as external events.  If you run one
>of the programs provided by eSoft, however, these almost always allow
>you to keep the BBS running.  For example, SYSOM allows you to do a

eSoft doesn't provide a usenet news interface, so the machine would
need to be brought down.  eSoft only supports Fidonet.   They haven't
made it to the big leagues.

>BBS.  So, for instance, for the system I maintain, I can modify a
>file, clear all user news flags, add a user, etc., without affecting
>the operation of the BBS (beyond whatever I do).  If we had TDBS,

I can do that, along with running ANY of my applications while users
are on the BBS.  Likewise, email and messages are send the minute they
are entered -- I don't have to wait for an event, and I never have to 
bring my lines down for ANYTHING.  Yes, I don't run DOS.

>compared to a system run under OS/2 or Unix.  On the other hand, we
>can run 8 lines off of a 10 MHz XT with 640K of memory, and the users,
>who aren't tech types, don't have to put up with a waffle type
>interface.

QNX can easily run 8 lines from a 10 mhz XT with 640K of ram as well.

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From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Thanks for the info on Internet access in Hawaii
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:26:14 EDT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.misc
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I'd like to thank all the people who sent me email about Internet access 
in Hawaii.

For everyone else, please don't send anymore <grin>

  --G

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:24:56 GMT

In article <BtsqJt.LHx@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>
>>Erm, are you sure about this? I don't think Coherent *is* UNIX, it's certainly
>>not directly based on AT&T code (otherwise it would bear a (C) AT&T somewhere)
>>and MWC would certainly advertise it as UNIX if it wasn't. As far as I'm aware
>>Coherent is merely UNIX-compatible.
>
>Coherent is not UNIX -- like you said -- it is UNIX compatible.   Vendors
>are not supporting it -- Word Perfect told me they have no plans to support
>Coherent "why should we bother with a $99 operating system which will never
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^

Boy,  NEVER is one HELL of a long time Larry ...

>be a standard in the business community?".  I agree.   Users can spend $99
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm Porting a BBx (Business BASIC Application) to it right now, and
currently plan to put about 10-15 Coherent based boxes out in the field. 
BBx/Progression 3 for SCO runs right out of the box.  Several other
programs for I have tried also run out of the box.  So WP's support may
be rather moot.  The way MWC is going, it will be a non-issue as support
will simply mean SCO support.

>to get a taste of UNIX - but they have no right complaining that "this and 
>that" doesn't run or come with Coherent -- considering what they bought.

Now here, I agree with you.  But gosh, Coherent is pretty darn complete. 
There are some buggy things, but no more so than early versions of other
Operating Systems, and you can bet they will be cleaned up as time goes
on.  After all, MWC does not have to fix the same bugs over & over again
in the AT&T code on every new release.  You set yourself up as an AT&T
bigot when you talk like this.  The AT&T stamp means absolutely NOTHING
to me.  As long as people like you insist on spending a small fortune
for a Unix Style OS AT&T will be happy to accomodate you.

> 
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: RE-USRobotics SysOp deal
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:52:20 GMT

I do not think that the 16.8K HST will catch on.  In fact, I am not
even sure about the 2,000 byte/second SuperPEP.

Back in the old days, the typical fast modem did 240 bytes/second.
Along came Telebit and USR, offering modems that could do up to 1400 bytes
a second with proprietary standards.

They sold a lot of modems because for anybody doing serious long distance
even within the same company, it was a no-brainer to buy two of these
modems for either end, or for the uucp net.    At almost 6 times faster
you paid for the modem quickly -- sometimes in a month.


But who is going to get excited about a 16.8K non-standard modem when you
can get a 14.4k standard one?  It's just not worth the hassle.

In fact, the 28,000 bps (but really less throughput) SuperPEP and V.Fast
and planned super-HST  (USR told me they would get more than 28,000 bps
out of a phone line, but as far as I know that's impossible from a
4 khz bandwidth line) modems are only twice as fast as "vay-tronte-duh-bee"
(Which is the actual way you prounounce V.32bis, since it is a french
phrase)

Twice as fast just doesn't sound as exciting as 6 times as fast.  It will
have a tougher time catching on as non-standard.  Oh, people will buy it,
but they will not swamp to it.   And before they can, digital connections,
switched-56 or isdn, should get cheap.
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