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From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rod Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Smith & Wesson 627
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:01 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

In article <1992Dec29.030642.29616@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E.
Schaffer) writes:
#In article <9212210340.AA09567@unix.cie.rpi.edu> vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.e
u (John S. Van Etten) writes:
##While leafing through the Owner's Manual for the little 631 J-frame tha
 we
##have (what can I say, I was bored), I noticed that they listed a Model 
27,
##which is the stainless steel twin sister of the N-framed .357 M27.  Doe

#
#  I saw it listed in a manual dated 2/92.  However it isn't in their
#1992 catalog (which doesn't list the Model 28 either) and I can't find
#it in the Blue Book (13th ed) under either current or past models.
#
##anyone out there on the net know of a source for this obviously discont
nued
##Smith & Wesson?  How common where they (I've never seen one, nor even h
ard
#
#  Could it be that they haven't been produced yet?
#
##of it until just now, which I find odd, since I'm a revolver fan)?  ...
#
#--henry schaffer
#


The 627 that I have seen are marked  on the barrel S & W 357 MAGNUM
MODEL OF 1989.  They have a 5 1/2 inch barrel with full undrlug and 
a unflutd cylinder.  They have a round butt.  About 5,000 were made.
They are a heavy (52 oz) byt accurate gun.

Rod Anderson     rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: wanted .223 sources
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:13 GMT



Most of the distributors sell the Chinese 5.56mm at $200 for a 1600
round case. Some actually have it in stock :) (Southern Ohio Gun does,
and MY case had better arrive soon....)

Not the most accurate 5.56mm around though.


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
Geordi: "...it's like the laws of physics went right out the
window." Q: "And why shouldn't they? They're so inconvenient."
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Loading data accuracy?
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:57:22 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

drj@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (Dan Jeuch) writes:

#Interesting you should point this out, because I've actually had problems
#with the Lyman data. 

	I have the 46th edition of Lyman, and it seems very cautious in 
its listed maximum loads and/or given velocities for some calibers.
The pamphlets from WW and Herc give both higher vels for the same charge, 
and higher max charges.  I have a bunch of pages copied from some other 
guides (speer and some others), and it also seems hotter.

BTW, in .45 ACP the max suggested loads/vels for fast powders like BE 
and 231 seem to be below even the standard vels for non +P factory 
for some bullets in some reloading guides.

	I have yet to see any reloading guide that lists .45 +P or
9mm +P.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: U28037%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Jason Kratz)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Crosman CO2 Shotgun
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:00:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Yep, you read it right - a CO2 shotgun.  My brother recently ran across
an old catalog for Crosman and there was a CO2 shotgun that they
produced call the 1100 Trapmaster.  Anyone have any info on where he
might be able to obtain one of these things?  Any info would be
appreciated.

Thanks!

Jason - U28037@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
From: pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu (price carl wayne)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Norinco M14/Mini14/SKS
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:28 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.



##This is rather interesting in that I own a Mini-14 and can attest
##that it is not exactly accurate, although at 50 feet it seems to
##be quite able to group all the shots in a fairly tight pattern. :^>
##A side question here, just how accurate is the M16 firing .223 at
##similar ranges?

...

 >The M16/AR15 is generally a one holer at 50 feet.. Even my GI issue skinny 
#barrel M16 was easily capable of shooting rings around the best Ruger 
#accuracy-wise. At 25 yards using the sighting in target with a 1" aiming 
#paster all shots can be kept well within the paster. Try that with a Mini14..
#:-)

  From my experience, in the Marine Corps, the M16, GI issue skinny barrel,
had no problems keeping in the chest region of a man sized target.  This
is without a rest beside my arm and no scope.  Although I never shot my
mini-14 over that range, I also never had any great problems with it's 
accuracy, but then I bought mine used in '85 or '86, so maybe they 
were better made then.  

Overall, I was very disappointed in the feild performance of the M16 and
found that for large ammo usage the mini-14 served me better ( I had a 
couple 30-round clips to go with my mini-14 ).

-- 
Carl W. Price		 	*      * Work keeps us from three evils:     * 
Computer Engineering Student	*      * boredom, vice, and need.            *
Oregon State University		*      *                                     *
pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu	*      *       ---Voltaire                   *
From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Taurus: soft steels & gunsmithing problems?
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:59:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1h0e2tINNeke@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes...
# 
#	Just back from my favorite gun shop, Kesserlings, in Alger
#Wa.  I was looking at two guns, a stainless S&W .38 spl model 64,
#$225 used, and a Taurus .38 spl 85CH stainless, $195, also used.  The
#sales guy said (before I even mentioned the S&W), that Taurus uses soft 
#steels, and that their model 85, and all their guns, was frequently in
#the shop because of damage.  Disproportionately more frequently than
#the S&W .38s.
# 
#	Any gunsmiths out there able to comment on this?  


 In my experience Taurus uses steel that's just as good as what S&W uses. 

I've sold many Taurus's, both autoloaders and wheel guns and have yet to have 
one come back on account of soft steel or parts breakage. 

 As I recall the only one I've ever seen a problem with was a used one a 
customer brought in that was an early issue PT99 that had a bad barrel lockup 
and Taurus put a whole new barrel and slide on at no charge. The gun had been 
used in one of the action shooting diciplines and had nearly 10K rounds of hot 
reloads through it before the barrel lugs began to get peened which caused 
premature unlocking and primer back out.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: More newbie questions
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:06 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <PA142548.530.725557991@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T.  
Archer) writes:
# I don't think that you can KEEP kids from playing with toy "guns."  Keep you 
# kid away from plastic guns and he will pick up a stick, point it, and 
# holler "bang."

Sounds like a good reason to just give up teaching morals and respect, I guess.   
Just let the Government do it.

Just raising children is easy.  Raising children 'right', against the swell of  
the herd, is not.

# 
# =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
# Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking.
# =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Jim
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From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Selecting recoil springs for the .45?
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:44:08 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

My very light .45 target-loads (200 gn SWC & 4.2 gn Bullseye) tend to
stove-pipe jam frequently in my 1911A1. I'm thinking  of getting a
light recoil spring for these loads but don't know what "weight" to
select. Is there a formula or table that is used in selecting springs
for the .45 or is it done by trial & error?
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * Life only admits two states: 
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * growing and dying. So what,
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * if I've put on a little weight?
From: hays@SSD.intel.com (Kirk Hays)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: case specifications
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:01:01 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division

In article <1992Dec20.151142.13618@ncsu.edu>, hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
|> In article <9212140615.AA04194@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com> davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com (David Post) writes:
|> # ...
|> #Aren't there any specs on case dimensions from SAAMI or somewhere else?

|>   Some time ago I saw an ad for a book of the SAAMI specs.  My foggy
|> memory is that it came from one of the major reloading supplies
|> manufacturers (such as RCBS or Lyman or ...???) and was a large
|> notebook.  Also that it was expensive enough that I lost all
|> interest in buying a copy (which, as my long suffering wife will
|> attest does indicate something.)

Published by RCBS.  Midway sells them for $59.95.

Spotted it during my reading session on the crapper, yesterday.

-- 
Kirk Hays - NRA Life.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing."  -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
From: ddssuprs!doug@uunet.UU.NET (Doug McNash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Cheap case cleaner?
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:54:56 GMT
Organization: Dickens Data Systems, Inc.




I initially used an ultrasonic cleaner for my cases.  I used
triclor as a solvent (1,1,1-Tricloroethane).  It gets them
very clean.  It will not "brighten" or polish the cases.  In
fact the cases will tarnish easier with the oil removed this way.
Water is not as satisfactory.  Don't use flammable solvents as
the liquid will heat fairly quickly.  I suppose that you could
find some liquid polishing compound but you would need to
rinse the cases and change the media often.  This would probably
negate the savings in the not so long run.  The above method is
the only way I know of removing the asphaltic seal applied to 
military cases.

I broke down and got a vibratory cleaner because I wanted bright
cases (easier to find).  You can get the smaller versions for
$60-70.
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Doug McNash           Dickens Data Systems           doug@dickens.com
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From: harri@camelot.bradley.edu (Thomas Friday)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Slug Compatible?
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:44:14 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <01GT0UJNK3BM924JAZ@CC.USU.EDU> slv4b@cc.usu.edu writes:


#     I have a Remington 870 express shotgun which uses threaded choke tubes
#(Remchoke).  My question is:  Can I safely fire slugs from this gun with
#modified or full choke tube in, or do I need to purchase a special tube
#designed specifically for slugs?

this is something that shotgunners unfamiliar with slugs ask frequently.

its perfectly safe to fire slugs with any normal chke tube, but the
rifled chke tube shuld pr0ve much mre accurate..

--
harri@camelot.bradley.edu 
I'd rather be getting laid.
From: patrick.eves@CANREM.COM (Patrick Eves)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: canadian gun laws (ag
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:40:12 GMT


KD>Though I have yet to confirm this, I have heard that some weapons
KD>that were 'missed' on the first onslaught of newly restricted weapons
KD>will be on another list coming out in January.  If this is true it
KD>is likely that the following weapons that are currently not-restricted
KD>may appear on the list:

KD>Ruger Mini-30/14
KD>M-14/M-1
KD>SKS

Keith,

When you typed "M14/M-1", did you mean the M-14 and the semi-auto civilian 
version, the M-1A, or the original M-1 Garand?  The last info I had from the
gov'ment specifically exempted the M-1 Garand from the restricted category,
probably on the grounds that the 8-rd. clip was un-alterable.  I'm rather 
concerned as I informally collect WWII vintage rifles and I'm rather proud of
my M-1.  I'd hate to see it melted down.
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From: rcc@glv.uucp (Chris Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: What does SKS mean?
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:57:26 GMT
Organization: Encompass

Does anyone know the meaning of the SKS designation of the SKS model 56?

For instance; the AK of AK-47 is Avtomat Kalashnikova or 1947...


-- 
Chris Carpenter                  |     	"We learn from history
rcc@glv.com                      |       that we do not learn 
Encompass, Cary,NC               |       anything from history."
From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: M1911 operation
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:59:55 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <9212171146.aa06373@claudius.pica.army.mil> erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID) writes:
#
#A question for owner/operators of M1911 pistols:
#
#
#So to satisfy my curiosity more than anything else, how do you drop the
#hammer on a loaded chamber with one hand with an M1911? Or can't it be
#done? I realize that this is not a common requirement, but I'm just
#curious. Thanks in advance.
#

I originally thought that this was not possible but I have seen it demonstrated.
The trick is to take your thumb, not your weak hand thumb, and pull the hammer
all the way back until it contacts the grip safety. Keep pulling back until
the grip safety is deactivated, just af if the web of your hand was wrapped
around the grip. With the hammer ALL the way back pull the trigger and lower
the hammer with your thumb. Once the grip safety has been deactivated and
the trigger pulled the grip safety no longer needs to be held down. The hammer
will lower all the way down to the frame. This can all be down without the use
of your weak hand. It feels a little tricky because you must control the gun
with essentially only the three fingers wrapped around the grip. Your trigger
finger and thumb are spread pretty wide apart and do feel like you have much
leverage; but, it can be accomplished quite safely with the standard 1911
hammer. This does not work well with the bobbed Commander hammers.

For those of you who remember the movie where Steve McQueen portrayed Papa
Thornton, the bounty hunter, this was how McQueen uncocked his 1911. I cannot
remember the movie's name, but, if you do, you can rent a copy and see exactly
how this is performed.

geoff kotzar
From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Info wanted:  Browning BDM
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:54:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <168C2FEAB.UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.
edu (JON HALL) writes:
#Does anyone have any experience with or opinions about
#the Browning BDM? Is the Pistol Mode/Revolver Mode feature
#anything more than something a marketing-type dreamed up?
#Is this Browning's attempt at a "new" wondernine, one to
#keep a place in the market, until they think of something
#better?

  In this area, they are extremely hard to find. For some reason, the
  supply/demand is low/high.

#All I've read about it are brief mentions in various gun
#magazines. All they say is it's a double-mode, narrow-
#framed, high-capacity 9mm autoloader. I've seen no reviews
#(If you know of any reviews, please let me know. I'm even
#willing to send someone a SASE for copies of reviews.)
#
#I've also seen the two-page spread in Browning's catalog.
#Two local gun shops carry the BDM, but neither has had much
#experience with it nor have they heard anything from
#the one or two customers who have bought one.
#
 >Is the gun reliable? Accurate? How would you rate it WRT
#SIGs, Berettas, Glocks, etc.? How does it like different
#kinds of ammo? How does the narrow frame feel, when you fire
#it (aiming, recoil, etc.). Workmanship? Material? Low-/
#high-maintenence? Mediocre?!
From: rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K Morrow)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: M1911 operation
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:47:31 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <7999@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> erico@squirrel.pen.tek.com (Eric Oosterhof;627-4329;47-786;tekig1.pen;) writes:
#
#
#Decocking a 1911 with one hand:
#  With the thumb of the right hand (I am assuming yer all right handed)
#	pull the hammer back until it engages the grip safety.  
#  Once the grip safety has been engaged, pull the trigger, and slowly 
#	ease the hammer forward.
#
#I have done this many a time, but never on a loaded cyclinder.  I have
#
I had a friend who didn't trust the 1911 safety, and insisted on de-
cocking the pistol after each shooting string that didn't empty the
magazine.  He would use a two-handed technique by grabbing the hammer
spur between the thumb and forefinger of his left hand and pull the
trigger with his right.  This left NOTHING between hammer and firing
pin during the de-cocking process.  I know this because he almost shot
my foot when his left hand slipped.  Bloodied his left hand, too.  Use
the <bleepin> safety instead.

					Bob Morrow
From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: airgun lubricant
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:47 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University

In article 24603@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, evore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric J Vore) writes:
#
#     On a somewhat unrelated note: I have found that some lubricants will 
#"diesel" when their vapor is compressed by the piston.  This is probably a good
#way to ruin an expensive airgun over time, but it does have the effect of 
#greatly incereasing the power of your air rifle!
#Eric Vore...
#
This diseling can destroy springs and bulge compression chambers in *one* shot.
It also means you're using far too much lubricant. 

About 20 years ago HW sold a gun called the Barakuda that took advantage of
diseling. It used glass ampules of ether that were crushed in a side chamber 
and had a vlave to admit some ether with every shot. It was not terribly 
successful, butr H&N did develop a nice heavy pellet for the application. These
are still sold as H&N Barakudas or as Beeman Kodiaks, and work well in 20-30 
ft/lb guns.

         --mike
From: sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: wanted AR15 shooting matches
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:52:13 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

Does anyone have any sources for matches where the AR15 may be used.  I
can shoot at the local DCM shoots but these are few in my area and not
really the level of competition I am looking for.  I have been using a
M1 and I am considering the purchase of an AR15 if I can find more
places to use it.

I would be willing to travel to some good competition so send me
anything and include comments if you have been there before.

Thanks,  Stephen.
From:  (MJ)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rochester NY shooting ranges
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:51:57 GMT


 
# A while back, somebody mentioned a couple of ranges
# in the Rochester NY area.  Unfortunately I neglected
# to save the article, and it is now expired at this site.

The Genesse Conservation League, Old Penfield Road, in phone book, $120 or
so per year, $300 or so initation.
Rochester Brooks, Honeoye Falls Road #6, in phone book, $75 or more per
year.
Rochester Rifle Club, Winton Road South, southwest corner of canal
intersection.
Outlet Rod and Gun, Atlantic Avenue, in phone book.
Creekside Gun Shop, Holcomb, free.

MJ

[As if you didn't already know, my opinions are my own and not my
company's.]
From: skrone@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (stuart.krone)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Law on non-resident carry in Arizona?
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:47:48 GMT
Organization: AT&T

greetings,

I guess the title says it all. 
I'm looking for info on _non-resident_ carry
while on vacation there.

I am told that as long as part of your holster
is visable you're ok. Therefore fanny packss
should be ok.

I am awaiting a responce from the NRA as you
read this but would appreciate info if anyone
knows for sure. Thanx
From: keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Canadian gun laws (again)
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:38 GMT
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation

Though I have yet to confirm this, I have heard that some weapons
that were 'missed' on the first onslaught of newly restricted weapons
will be on another list coming out in January.  If this is true it
is likely that the following weapons that are currently not-restricted
may appear on the list:

Ruger Mini-30/14
M-14/M-1
SKS

(*Note: a 'restricted' weapon in Canada requires extra permits and
cannot be used for hunting; also the weapon must be registered with
the RCMP)

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| Keith P. de Solla, P.Eng |  "Be sure brain is engaged before    |
| CMC                      |   putting mouth in gear"             |
| keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca    |                                      |
From: zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 257 Roberts Ruger
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.142630.3433@miki.pictel.com>, phelps@miki.pictel.com (Dan Phelps) writes:
# I have some general questions regarding this gun.
# 
# I will be inheriting a 257 Roberts Ruger rifle some time in the future.
# 
# I normally hunt deer with a Savage 30-30 in northern Vermont. Would the 257
# have enough stopping power for deer in fairly dense woods? 
# 
# I have heard that the 257 has the rifling of the barrel in the opposite 
# direction than that of standard guns. Is this true? And if so, why would
# a manufacturer want to do this?
# 
# -Dan 
# ############################################################################				
The 257 Roberts is arguably one of the finest mid-caliber centerfires ever
designed.  It has won high praise from hunters in accuracy and stopping
power on an assortment of medium game (such as deer, antelop, black bear ect.)

The 257 Roberts is more along the lines of the 270 as far as ballistics are
concerned, though slightly inferior.  If I would hazard a guess I would
say that your savage 30-30 is a 99 lever action and the Ruger is a Bolt action.
The Ruger may not be as fast handleing as the Savage, but I've always been a
big fan of single shot kills.  I'm sure even in Vermont there are other
hunters in the woods and "Bush-wacking" a suspected or fleeing deer is
no longer acceptable hunting methods.  

Enjoy your 257 Roberts and be sure that its more than enough gun for your game.

-Jerry


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