HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:27:52 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <BxzEpH.HBw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apj003@cch.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley) writes:
>My fave part of the B'ham roads system is Five-Ways island. 

Easy. What you want is the junction by the Bull Ring, top of Digbeth, next
to New Street. Loads of two and three carriageway roads meet in the most
splendid confabulation. Dropping someone at New St and then going back
the way you came is heaps of fun.

The other enjoyable feature of Brum roads is the ``disappearing lane''.
Imagine three lanes at traffic lights, all going straight on. You all
start off, jockeying for position, when the lane you're in disappears in
the space of 20m. Merging into an artic isn't easy. They're too solid.

	Tim.
-- 
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``Sounds good to me''
From: Jonathan Egre' <jonathan@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Subtle (i.e. obscure) cigarette adverts
Keywords: rot13
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:26:23 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

[Regarding obfuscated cigarette advertisements]

Some months ago there was a cigarette ad which was a map of Bermuda and the
surrounding ocean.  I never worked out which brand it was meant to 
advertise, though I have a hunch that it was Benson & Hedges (because of all
the multi-coloured lettering).  Does anybody know?

As far as I have been able to work out:

    Purple fabric, especially if pierced or in the shape of a cutting 
    tool, is "Silk Cut".

    Lots of loose letters, especially set on a background of gold, is
    "Benson & Hedges".

    "Embassy" is EITHER unnaturally slanted objects OR Viz-style top tips;
    or possibly both (either-or because I can't quite remember).

Anything I've forgotten?
--
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From: cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:28:55 GMT
	<1992Nov17.121155.1432@dct.ac.uk> <1992Nov17.123836.1434@dct.ac.uk>
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

>>>>> On 17 Nov 92 12:38:36 GMT, ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) said:

Alan> In article <1992Nov17.121155.1432@dct.ac.uk>, mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:

> we won't have a load of ill-informed drunks shouting happy new Millenium at
> Midnight on Dec. 31 1999.

Alan> I fully intend to be one of the ill-informed drunks on 31/12/99. I also
Alan> intend being a slightly better informed drunk on 31/12/2000 :-)

Good on you Alan.

Who are these people who celebrate the "new millenium" or for that
matter the "new century" or "new decade" anyway (well -- we all know
them don't we)? Surely it's more logical (for hedonists) to place
importance on those things that occur more frequently in one's
lifetime, e.g. Fridays (as it happens Dec. 31 1991 is a Friday). Or on
a slightly longer timescale, one's 30th, 40th, etc.  birthday, since I
don't see my lifetime fitting into a conceptually significant slot in
the calendar as I know it.

Of course there is the counter argument that infrequent events should
be celebrated since our mortality will prevent us from experiencing
said things again. However I would consider such things as Halley's
Comet, complete solar eclipse over Cornwall, etc. to be more deserving
than calendar dates.

Anyway, imagine the scene...

00.00 01 Jan 2000 -- scene of mass revelry...

IIDs (Ill-informed drunks): "Happy New Year, Happy New Decade, Happy
New Millenium!"
Angus M. Marshall (McRamm): "Actually..."
IIDs: "F*** you"

NB. To be fair to Angus he did acknowledge that he is a member of the
UK Pedants Association.

Ceri
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From: jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Cellular Phone Reconnection
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:34:03 GMT
Reply-To: jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


Although I cannot comment on individual adverts, generally, there is no
scam involved here.  I have a carphone that was reposessed several months
ago.  I wanted to reconnect this phone.  

The company I approached had an account opened with CELLNET and a 
ID code for the 'phone released.  The 'phone is programmable using a PROM2
programmer and they simply "taught" it the new code which it now works with.

There is nothing shady in this at all.  For this service I was charged 10.00
which I think is fairly cheap.  The reason for this is that the source of income
for these companies is the commission they receive from the airtime companies.  It
is for this reason that many delaers now offer a "free" carphone with each
airtime contract.

Incidentally, the only service which IS illegal is programming two mobile 'phones
with the same ID.  Recently BT investigators and the police have found thousands of
'phones like this in London.  These are often sold as "working for a couple of months",
obviously until the ownwer of the real 'phone finds numbers on his bill which he hasn't
dialled.  This said, for people like me, with two 'phones which are not brand new, this
is a nusiance.  I have a fixed carphone and an NEC P3 portable.  It would be nice if
they shared the same number, but as this is illegal, it is impossible to find someone
to do it <GRIN> even if I wanted to.



Jon

NB - My views do not represent those of my employer, or indeed, anyone else.
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:23:45 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Nov17.103050.29411@memex.co.uk> scott@memex.co.uk (Scott Williamson) writes:
>In article <721949208snz@muir.demon.co.uk> malcolm@muir.demon.co.uk writes:
>>
>>Next argument - I say the first year of the 21st. century is 2001, not 2000
>>which is the last year of the 20th. century.
>
>So what? When the party-poppers and champagne corks go off on 1/1/2000

... and the ill-informed drunks start shouting "Happy New D/C/M" ...
(and they will no matter what anyone says ...)

>are you going to be the one sitting in the corner drinking orange juice

I can't speak for Malcolm, but I celebrate every New Year with champagne,
and 2000 will be no exception.  I won't switch to orange juice just because
it is not a New Decade.  I didn't on 31 December 1989/1 January 1990.

>saying "you're all wrong, stop celebrating"?

On the contrary, let them celebrate.  The more rewarding it will be to
celebrate the New Decade, New Century and New Millennium a year later,
in a narrower circle of better informed people.

-- 
 `Haud yer wheesht!  Come oot o the man an gie him peace.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: uPVC doors and Windows
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:14:57 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1992Nov13.142514.721@axion.bt.co.uk>, saujla@flamingo.axion.bt.co.uk (Sukhvinder Aujla) writes:
> If a hole is made in the metal through the uPVC then:
> (1) the steel salesman says the aluminum will turn to powder over a
> period of time.

One of the most useful properties of Aluminium is that once the surface is
oxidised, the oxidisation stops. The outer layer prevents any further
deterioration occuring. This is not true with steel.

> (2) the aluminum salesman says the steel will rust.

It probably will.

Disclaimer. I'm not metal expert of Chemist. I remembered the Aluminium bit
from an O Level exam I sat a long time ago.

Apologies for the multiple group followup.
I just used the addresses that came with the message.
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

You Have To Remember, You Need To Beleive,
The Time Has Past, Dust In The Leaves.
From: d_smith@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Dylan Smith)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:34:46 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Nov20.100343.2315@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
>In article <Bxz2s1.3sE@exnet.co.uk>, s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands) writes:
>|> Of late it seems to me that people on bikes have started to believe
>|> they're pedestrians.  They ride past me on the pavement and they don't
>|> have lights at night.
>
>And they cross lights at red, and, and, and...  The thing that really
>pissed me off recently was a cyclist who jumped the red as I was
>setting out to cross the road on the cycle path, and complained at me
>for getting in her way.

I've actually been run over by a cyclist with no lights riding on the
pavement at night. Fortunately, I was unhurt and the cyclist fell off.
-- 
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             d_smith@uwe.csd |                 d_smith@csd.uwe.ac.uk
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From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: car insurance scam
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:29:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.124833.16422@edscom.demon.co.uk> rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson) writes:
>In article <BxyM6n.8Aw@eonsw.demon.co.uk> ian@eonsw.demon.co.uk (Ian Leonard) writes:
>>>Anyone care to join me in hating insurers?
>>
>>Yes me. My modem got zapped by lighting. I tried to claim. They are 
>>refusing because although I don't connect to any customers or earn
>>any money from the modem (I just read the news and a bit of email), I
>>may read an article which is helpful in my work. It should therefore
>>be covered by a business policy. They are right in their logic but
>>the frightening thing is the way they questioned me. They were looking
>>for an escape and they continued until they found one. This concerns
>>me because they can use the same tactics to squirm out of something
>>really important.


** I would seriously consider taking this matter up with the Insurance
   Ombudsman in London.

   In every situation where you insure items on non-business grounds
   there is likely to be some overlap with commercial usage. In this
   case it appears to be very small and the insurance company are being
   unreasonable.

   Incidentally, what is the name of the insurance company ?



   
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         *      Graham Wilson      *  lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk  *
         *     LL.B.  Law  III     *     Coventry  University    *
         *********************************************************
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From: simpsong@dns0.bham.ac.uk (Glyn Simpson)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:23:22 GMT
Distribution: uk
Reply-To: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Peter Allott (peter@serv2.essex.ac.uk) wrote:
> Will there be a 29 Feb 2000?
> 
> The cal program thinks so!
> 
I think there will be..

> As it also thinks 29 Feb 4000 will exist It's clearly wrong
> some where.
> 
I think that is right too

> What is the correct rule? Do all countries agree???? 
>
Something like:

	a leap year even fourth year
EXCEPT	when the year is divisible by one hundred
UNLESS	the year is divisible by 400.

ie, 1900, 2100, 2200 & 2300 are not leap years, whereas 2000 & 2400 are.


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University of Birmingham        //  Fax:   +44 (0) 21 414 3952
Email: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk     //  NIC Handle: GS56
From: psanders@srd.bt.co.uk (Paul Sanders)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: The Munro Show - anyone got it on video ?
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:10:25 GMT
Reply-To: psanders@srd.bt.co.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: British Telecom

Did anyone out there video the Munro show when it was on Scottish
Televsion earlier this year ? If so, would they be willing to loan
me the tape(s) so that I may watch/copy them ? 

A frustrated hill-walker in East Anglia.

--
   Paul Sanders      psanders@srd.bt.co.uk		Tel: +44 473 645716
     Software Research, BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath IPSWICH IP5 7RE
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From: apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley)
Subject: Re: humor in England
Organization: unorganized
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:35:29 GMT

In article <BxtIsn.JE0@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:

>
>Actually, I don't think Gordon wrote that bit about how bad Coventry is,
>but I'll agree with whoever wrote that article, too. I'm here through
>no choice of my own, but I prefer it to London. Outside the city centre
>there ain't all that much concrete at all. Unlike London, where it gets
>worse the further out you get into the suburbs. 

There are nice bits in London and nice bits in Coventry, to get away from 
the humorously offensive slanging match for a moment. Actually, I prefer
to live away from London (having lived there for some years) and just visit
when I want. Then I get the good bits like theatre, massive choice in
films, restaraunts and so on, without the bad bits like over-exposure to
air pollution, the daily fight to get to work and the 10 hour journey through
Friday rush traffic to get to some decent countryside. But life in Coventry
can be a bit boring sometimes. There's less choice in people.

As regards the architecture in Coventry, all I can say is that it grows
on you. And the roads do work well, despite looking like hell.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Bottomley: ceram@uk.ac.warwick.csv  ;  apj003@uk.ac.cov.cck
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: D.Pidcock@bradford.ac.uk (Danny Pidcock)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: joystick for an acorn electron
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:18:47 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91642540@saffron
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

snail@lsl.co.uk wrote:
: In article <1992Nov13.151446.27854@egh-qc.uucp>, paul@egh-qc.uucp (Paul Hay) writes:
: > 
: > Has anyone got a joystick which they would like to sell that is 
: > compatible with an acorn electron that is about 7 years old.
: > Failing that has anyone any information on connecting any currently
: > available joysticks to this piece of equipment.
: > 
: > Paul.
: 
: Assumption time: Acorn electron was a subset of the BBC A/B computers, although
: it used a horrible video chip/custom chip to do it. I know, I wrote a game for
: both these beasts. So I'll assume the joystick for both is the same (my game
: didn't need a joystick).
: 
: First thing is, the joystick is analogue (potentiometers 'n' that). Not
: having my Maplin catalogue at work, I can't say if they still sell joysticks
: like that, but they used to. Try the catalogue (various sections:- projects,
: wound components, miscellaneous, and a few others, you often find what you're
: looking for in the most unobvious sections of this catalogue), it may even
: have a connection diagram too. Also, if yuo can get a technical manual on the
: BBC or Electron there should be a diagram of how to connect it.

Aren't there analogue joysticks for PeeCee's (yuk) available and
why can't you mess about with one of these? 
: 
: BTW, 'paddles' (for the pong game) are analogue joysticks that have been
: nobbled a bit, so you could try laying your hands on a set of paddles instead.

Whatever you do - dont get atari VCS 2600 paddles - they wear away and become unreliable
PS - anyone want to buy a part of computer game history?

--

Danio : d.pidcock@uk.ac.bradford 
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: ian@eonsw.demon.co.uk (Ian Leonard)
Subject: Re: Subtle (i.e. obscure) cigarette adverts
Organization: EON Software, Oxford, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:56:14 GMT

In article <6787@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk writes:
>Recently I've noticed some adverts for cigarettes which are totally beyond
>me. One featured a red scorpion and the other featured an empty glass with
>a beer bottle top lying beside it. Anybody know what brands these are
>advertising? 

Why people smoke is totally beyond me. I expect the advertisers have to 
reach these people in strange ways because they just can't think straight.

(Flame me if you like, but it's really not worth the effort).

-- 
Ian

Ian Leonard                        ian@eonsw.demon.co.uk
EON Software                       +44 (0)865 741452
From: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
Organization: Network Analysis Ltd
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Nov19.124012.1601@rdg.dec.com> (uk.misc,soc.culture.celtic), cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:

> I have never seen Pakora in an Indian restaurant in England, and I've been
> to quite a few including Southall probably the Curry Capital of Britain!
> Pakora is, however, available in supermarkets.
> 
> Pakora is available in virtually every Indian restaurant/take-away in 
> Scotland. Does anyone know why there is this difference?

It's probably a (Indian sub-continent) regional speciality and people
from the same region tend to settle together. I'd never heard of Baltis*
until I moved here, and I don't think you'll find very many Balti houses
outside the Midlands. You'll find pakoras in the Leeds/Bradford area.
Get them in the Midlands too, but they are quite different from the
variety you get in Leeds/Bradford.


* A small iron skillet (looks like a small wok) in which the curry is
cooked and served.


Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK

uucp:      ...!uknet!nan!sw  Phone: (+44) 203 419996
AppleLink: NAN.LTD           Internet: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:34:05 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
> Member, UK Pedants Association.

Shouldn't that be "UK Pedants' Association"?


mathew

Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: grahame@demon.co.uk (Grahame Davies)
Subject: Re: Need pointers on internet connectivity in the UK 
Distribution: world
Organization: Demon Systems Ltd.
Reply-To: grahame@demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:29:03 +0000


In article <1ek4vfINN9tb@agate.berkeley.edu> sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU writes:

>I gather that sites with direct connections to the internet are fairly few  
>and far between in the UK, and that most sites interface to the net via  
>something called Janet.  Does Janet have features like ftp and telnet, for  
>file grabbing and remote logging in, respectively.

We provide direct connection to the internet in the UK as per my .sig

Give us a ring or email internet@demon.co.uk

Grahame
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From: bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk (Bernie Jones)
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Reply-To: Bernie.Jones@cl.cam.ac.uk (Bernie Jones)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.171115.16501@eng.cam.ac.uk> pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk writes:
> In article 3sE@exnet.co.uk, s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands) writes:
>> Of late it seems to me that people on bikes have started to believe
>> they're pedestrians.  They ride past me on the pavement and they don't
>> have lights at night.

> The police in Cambridge are clamping down on cyclists (on the spot
> fines for people cycling at night with no lights and I _think_ for
> cycling the wrong way down one way streets). I have heard of some
> people who are giving the impression that the _only_ reason they are
> going to get lights for their bikes is to prevent a police fine.

There seems to be a general theory among the more adept cycling
nutters that the way to avoid breaking the law is to break it again.
If I had a pound for every time I've had to leap out of the way of
fast cyclists in the middle of the night going down a one-way-street
in the wrong direction on the pavement without lights I'd be, well, a
bit wealthier than I am at present. 

This especially seems to be the case with the cycle ban we have in
bits of Cambridge (which, for the record, I would like to say is a
great idea - first time I've been able to go shopping during the day
without risking my life when I cross the road). I've yet to see anyone
break the ban going in the right direction down the pedestrianised
bits (although it is done), but there are loads who cycle down the
streets in the wrong direction (which is weird, since there is a
parallel street which is open to cyclists going in that direction).

Mind you, the other day I saw a policeman stop someone who was cycling
along just by grabbing hold of them. Since they were going at a fair
speed they fell off, and could have hurt themselves - I wonder whether
the police could be sued for this?

> I thought the general theory was that people at Cambridge University
> are supposed to be among the most intelligent in the country.

Ha-ha. Sadly, no :-)

> Philippa

Bernie
From: alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier]
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:11:49 GMT
Reply-To: alan@essex.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Essex Computing Service, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK

Also sprach gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
}In article <6434@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> peter@serv2.essex.ac.uk (Peter Allott) writes:
}>Will there be a 29 Feb 2000?
}>
}>The cal program thinks so!
}
}Your cal program has it right. Think. This year's a leap year. So's 1996.
}Therefore, so's 2000. If I'm utterly blind to the way our adopted calendar
}has worked for centuries, then please correct me.

OK: You're utterly blind to the way our adopted calendar has worked for centuries.
It isn't just a matter of checking divisibility by 4 - there are at least
3 orders of correction, and I thought there were 4.

Until yesterday, I believed the complete rule was

If the year is divisble by 4, it's a leap year,
  unless it's divisible by 100, in which case it isn't,
    unless it's divisible by 400, in which case it is,
      unless it's divisible by 2000, in which case it isn't
	unless it's divisible by 26000, in which case it is.


But according to a colleague who checked the Encyclopeadia Britannica, the rule is

If the year is divisble by 4, it's a leap year,
  unless it's divisible by 100, in which case it isn't,
    unless it's divisible by 400, in which case it is,
      unless it's divisible by 4000, in which case it isn't.



I really need to know the complete rule: I'm planning a party for
29 February 26000, and it may be too late to change the invitations.


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     This year, get back to the true spirit of Christmas -
       Perform a fertility rite at the Winter Solstice.
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From: ljp@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Guido)
Subject: Re: humor in England 
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:51:43 GMT

In article <721948469snz@kram.demon.co.uk> mt@kram.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <BxtIsn.JE0@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk writes:
>>>Not that I'm biased or anything, but I reckon England starts at Watford Gap.
>>>Heading north.
>>
>>I'm afraid you'd have to stop when it becomes Scotland, though, or they won't
>>be very happy at all.
>
>:) Couldn't agree more.
>

I thought they had sold Scotland to England in the 18th century!
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