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Original-From: Ken Wolman <mhwpa!ktw>
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:54:18 EST
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?

> In a previous article, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM () says:
First, this is a blatant lie.  Adam used my login because he didn't
like the way telnet behaved when he was going to Drew from this
system.  He wrote the "previous article": I just cheerled.

> >--The Internation Society of Ill-Feeling (comprised of LH and Ken)
> Hi Guys.  A fine Bahh Humbug to you too.

Let's see.  I'm 48.  Adam's 21.  I could be Adam's father.  If the
truth be told, I think I AM Adam's father, albeit only spiritually: I
like the kid's Vision Noir, the sense his soul's a lot older than he
is, that he's been here before.  There's a refreshing lack of naivete
there that will stand him in good stead.

Ken
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> >  4. The old church where Evangeline and her lover are buried.
>
> beats me.  the only Evangeline I know if was the one in Uncle Tom's Cabin.
> I *think*.:-)
.
Surely this is Longfellow's Evangeline, as in "Evangeline country",
which is the area west of New Orleans, the Cajun country....
.
> >  7. Rattlesnake water melons.
> >
> beats me - only that's watermelons, one word.
.
maybe these are those green watermelons with the rattlesnake like
diamond design on them....  or maybe it is something else.
>                 ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

--ggs (who once lived in Cajun country for three years .... )
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Marty writes:

   As I was posting my earlier note, I heard on NPR that Bobby Fischer has
   been indicted for participating in his recent match with Spassky, which
   as you all recall took place in the former Yugoslavia.


So, who finally won the contest? 

//anne//
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU () says:

>I must ask Ruth to explain. (Why oh why do I have this self-destructive
> urge?)
>
Because you are used to looking to your elder sister for the answers to 
problems like the Meaning of Life and why do cats like dirty landry?  I keep
telling you the answer's 42, but you never seem to listen....
>>
>>Golly geewhillickers Tushie, we didn't know that!  NOT!
>Do you know or not know or did know earlier and didn't by the end of
>the sentence or vice versa? Answer succintly.

Know.  There, is that succint enough for you?

>> She just wanted to annoy the living daylights out of you...
>In my new Carolyn-soliciting mode I am tempted to say that the living
>daylights have been annoyed out of me ...the question is, could I get
>away with it?
>
Know, dude.:-)  You could say she's annoying the crap [s***, h*ly he**, ...]
out of you, though.

>>       Besides, you were transmitting on a male wavelength, while
>>Carolyn transmits on the female.  Maybe she just didn't hear you?
>If YOU heard Carolyn, just tell me what "crazy like a fox" means -
>she is getting more and more obscure - jealous of Ausbrook no doubt.
>And after telling me stop those sexist private transmission channels
>or I'll dis you in Hindi.

That would be most illuminating.  Please "dis" away.  Crazy like a fox means
she knows English [and American] idiom better than you do....  Also that
though her posts seem madness, yet there's method in 'em.

>>[there, that should be confusing enough to annoy him even more -- he's
>>*soooooooooo* easy to tease, Carolyn]
>I am confused as never before and my confusion leads to increase in
>my annoyance by the minute. Now can you start explaining to a very
>confused and very very annoyed soul (transmitting on mae wavelength)?
>
Go West, Tushie, and mae the journey be a long one.  The answer is of course,
no.  Or know.  Take your pick....

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:55:35 EST
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Foreigners in Japan
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Posted on 14 Dec 1992 at 12:59:39 by Akio Tanaka
> Are the parts I underlined above really true?  I find them hard to believe...
> In what situations are they required to produce the card, except for perhaps
> in case of traffic violation?  You mean police just stop them on the street
> and ask them to produce the card?  If so, what for?  I'd like to know it,
> because I have <never> experienced that kind of thing in my whole life.

You're not a foreigner, Akio.  I bet you've never been refused lodging
in Japan because of your race, either?  I went to a Youth Hostel once
that tried to turn me away because I am non-Japanese, which is in direct
violation of the international youth hostel rules.  It was especially
ironic because I was actually a member of the Japanese youth hostel
association, though not the American one.

Anyway, most of the people I know that have been stopped and asked for
their gaijin tooroku were stopped for a reason--usually bicycle viola-
tions.  Like no lights or something like that.

> By the way, are foreign residents required to be fingerprinted in the
> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, Sweden or any other
> places?

They are not in the US--that was part of the basis for one of the law-
suits that was brought by an American woman.  (Whose name escapes me.)
Some of this stuff is covered quite well in Michael Shapiro's _Japan:
In the Land of the Broken-Hearted_.  (I should check the title.  The
brokenhearted, btw, are the foreigners who fell in love with Japan.)

I should say that while I was appalled at what it's like to be a
foreigner in Japan, I think it's probably better than being a lot of
things in this country.  I was horrified when I was on a bus in Okla-
homa and anyone who looked vaguely hispanic was required to produce id.

Hey, Akio, I'm teaching Japanese culture next semester...have you read
anything that you would recommend?  Dave Barry's book is too full of
misinformation to be a main text, but I'm going to put it on reserve.
(I like his understanding of tatemae and honne.)  I think I am going
to use Ruth Benedicts Chrysanthemum and the sword as the main text,
but I'm still looking for something more modern. I think I am going
to make Karsten take me to Kinokuniya when I am in L.A. over break.

Karen
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Reply-To:     Doris Smith <dorisann@tenet.edu>
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Identification etc
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Graham,
 Bah! Humbug!

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
(A Texan whose smile is NOT stupid and empty, and who hopes you have a
rotten day)
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In a previous article, maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor) says:

>bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer) writes:
>>Or they're worried that a lack of a/c would crash the iron?  Is oogacooga
>>edyou run on mainframes or other hot-running machines?  
>
>The listserv is on an IBM mainframe.  I think it has drowned in the cold
>water.

Natalie, it couldn't have!  The flooding this weekend was along the CT,
Long Island, and New Jersey coastlines.  If the dumb mainframe had been in
Bridgepit[er -port], it could well have gotten drowned by cold water.  Cold
salt water at that.  Now that would explain where you machine went...salt
water corrodes like crazy.:-)

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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:47:25 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: The Geometry of Boxes and Jugs
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              19 Dec 92 06:39:23 -0600. <9212191244.AA29129@sics.se>

  Natalie feebly evades an interesting issue:

  >It was a long time ago.  I don't remember thinking so much that math majors
  >were actively boring as that English majors were actively interesting.

  Not being actively interesting means being actively boring. Let us
consider this matter in its starkest terms. Do boring people become
mathematicians, or does mathematics make people boring?
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:25:56 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mice, icons, etc.
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> My programs are so big, I wonder if DESQview could handle it.  I also have

I've never heard of a size limitation, although I've never explored all
there is about DV.  I always keep BigDos, PCPlus, and Wordperfect running.
I sometimes add Norton Utilities, CShow, and various other programs.  I
can't remember how many different Wordperfects I've had loaded at the
same time -- at least three or four.  So far, I've encountered no problems
of any kind.  I started using DV when I moved from an XT to a 386 in June
'92.  I moved up to DVX a few months ago.

> LAN stuff on my computer that DV couldn't handle.  (So I've been told.)

I can't remember about the earlier version of DV I used, but I just hopped
over and opened DVX setup and found this:

                              DESQview/X Setup
                              ____________________

                                Network Setup

                          T  Type      none

                          V  Virtualize Networks
                          S  Simple Network Setup
                          A  Advanced Network Setup

                        _______________________________

      Cursor between items   Enter or letter to select   Esc when done

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 2 toasts

>Take note people.  This is the price you pay for getting tied into Macintosh.
>
>G

Not to mention what it does to your reading comprehension.  But I guess in the
case of Mac users you can just "Say Hey" and catch the ball underhanded with
the grabber icon.

-K

-Mka
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Chilled-water @ UGA [Plus Chocolate Wafer Crumbs]
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              14 Dec 1992 04:55:44 GMT from <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

Whatever happened to Veg-O-Matics and the little onion-chopping jars?
They're great for taking one's anger out on the veggies instead of the
actual target (who just may arrest you).

Evelyn
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:26:10 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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:>   Peter says:
:>
:>   >I find this profanity offensive. Such usage should not be allowed.
:>   >Disrespect for religion or fundamental and basic beliefs of any kind
:>   >is a form of bigotry.
:>
:>   This is an interesting question. I think we agree that there are Good
:> fundamental and basic beliefs and Bad fundamental and basic beliefs. For
:> example, the SS fanatics that were mentioned some time ago had fundamental
:> and basic beliefs that we consider false and revolting. Just what do you mean
:> when you say that we are bigots if we do not respect those beliefs, and
:> what form of respect do you have in mind?

:Disagreement with someone else's beliefs, is not disrespect for them.
:To mock Hitler, or Stalin, or Pat Buchannan, or the Pope helps no one.
:Least of all, does it counter the perceived difficulties we have with
: their beliefs. Reducing their beliefs/icons to mere tools of emotional
: expression, has the same effect. I do nothing to counter the wrongs
: of Saddam Hussein simply by reducing him to a matter of folk abuse. In
: fact, I may in the process be avoiding what I should be doing to be really
: dealing with his wrongs.

:BTW, I was particularly speaking against PROFANITY which is a belittling
: of what others hold sacred. I'm no advocate of VULGARITY either, but
: I think it's in a much less important class of abuse. Catholics hold
: Jesus to be sacred; they don't hold the Pope on that level at all, no
: matter how high their personal regard for him may be. In fact, to do
: so would be considered a matter of heresy and sacrelige.

OK, I think I've finally got my answer about what 'Professor' means
in Canada.  It's the know-nothing-jerk style as in the US, rather than
someone important, right?

(Apart from the general content of this guy's posts which are consistently
risible, no English *Professor* would make the common sacrelege/sacrilege
mistake...)

G
PS This is not disagreement with your beliefs.  It's disrespect of you.
Does that count as profanity?
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From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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Subj:   Deep beliefs
From: torkel@SICS.SE

>   Peter says:
>
>   >I find this profanity offensive. Such usage should not be allowed.
>   >Disrespect for religion or fundamental and basic beliefs of any kind
>   >is a form of bigotry.
>
>   This is an interesting question. I think we agree that there are Good
> fundamental and basic beliefs and Bad fundamental and basic beliefs. For
> example, the SS fanatics that were mentioned some time ago had fundamental
> and basic beliefs that we consider false and revolting. Just what do you mean
> when you say that we are bigots if we do not respect those beliefs, and
> what form of respect do you have in mind?

Disagreement with someone else's beliefs, is not disrespect for them.
To mock Hitler, or Stalin, or Pat Buchannan, or the Pope helps no one.
Least of all, does it counter the perceived difficulties we have with
 their beliefs. Reducing their beliefs/icons to mere tools of emotional
 expression, has the same effect. I do nothing to counter the wrongs
 of Saddam Hussein simply by reducing him to a matter of folk abuse. In
 fact, I may in the process be avoiding what I should be doing to be really
 dealing with his wrongs.

BTW, I was particularly speaking against PROFANITY which is a belittling
 of what others hold sacred. I'm no advocate of VULGARITY either, but
 I think it's in a much less important class of abuse. Catholics hold
 Jesus to be sacred; they don't hold the Pope on that level at all, no
 matter how high their personal regard for him may be. In fact, to do
 so would be considered a matter of heresy and sacrelige.
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In a previous article, LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU () says:

>Ruth that's a History not Geography question I sent you.... I think I'm still
>half asleep. :-(
>
I'm about half awake -we even out.:-)
>The Geography question is:-
>
>"What major island lies 250 miles off the south-eastern coast of Africa?"
>
Oh cute, after wasting all that skull sweat...to get an easy one.:-)
There's only one big island in that area - Madagascar.

I'll still take Literature next, OK?

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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:57:10 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Identification etc
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              11 Dec 92 23:24:16 -0500. <9212120443.AA22362@sics.se>

 >But Karen (I think) said that foreigners were required
 >to carry their ID, which is de facto the same thing.

  How can it be, if the Japanese normally don't carry any ID?
Surely the police know this as well as Akio?

  >Now there is of course an element of ignorance to all this.

  This is a different matter. The police everywhere tend to take
whatever liberties they can get away with, and it's often a wise move
to indulge their little whims. But for a country to require its
citizens to carry identification to produce to the police on demand, there must
surely be some law to this effect.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:55:36 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      The Return of the Miata
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So is the Miata gonna drive to Mississippi to my party Sunday, Giggles?
There will be at least four WORDS-Lers here for sure:  Price (who is sort
of half a WORDS-Ler since he keeps nomail set most of the time), Judith,
Bernardykins, and me.  We're hoping FWP will show up also.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject: Re: Help with a movie question
    <1992Dec20.204740.6533@eff.org>
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:41:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.204740.6533@eff.org>
rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) writes:
 
>
>        My best guess is Taunton/Raynam, Brad.  It's down close to the
>"tuckets" near Rhode Island, and there's a dog track  there (or was
>last time I paid any attention).  It's about 10 miles (if that) from
>where the Clambake was held.
>        It's still a fairly rural area...
 
     Thanks, Rita.  This may be it, although the fictional city in
    -Run- is a fairly good-sized one.  The law student main character
    is driving from Boston to Atlantic City, by the way.
 
     The movie is on The Movie Channel on 23 and 29 December, if you
    have access.  It would be fun to have you identify the Boston
    scenes...
 
    brad
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>From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
>
>rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) writes:
>
>>
>>        My best guess is Taunton/Raynam, Brad.  It's down close to the
>>"tuckets" near Rhode Island, and there's a dog track  there (or was
>>last time I paid any attention).  It's about 10 miles (if that) from
>>where the Clambake was held.
>>        It's still a fairly rural area...
>
>     Thanks, Rita.  This may be it, although the fictional city in
>    -Run- is a fairly good-sized one.  The law student main character
>    is driving from Boston to Atlantic City, by the way.
>
>     The movie is on The Movie Channel on 23 and 29 December, if you
>    have access.  It would be fun to have you identify the Boston
>    scenes...
>
>    brad

If that's the case, then the city may have been Brocton, Mass. or
possibly Fall River of New Bedford, Mass.  All three have large
Portugese-speaking populations, and the latter two are well known
as fishing cities.  But all three are south of Boston, and are
by New England standards substantially-sized.

Frank
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
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        Looks like the FTC is going after MS...anti-trust allegations in air. MS
        stock falling like a rock at this hour, perhaps Chairman Bill will have

Way to go!  Now all they have to do is smash apple's antitrust practices
and computing might start taking off again.

G
PS They'd do more good abolishing software patents/interface copyright
than just splitting up one bloated scumsucker though...
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Neologisms

: Do any of your students write "were" for "where"?

Sometimes.  I'm astounded at the kinds of screwups they can produce.

Steve Karlson

"You don't know how <hard> I studied ..."
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In a previous article, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM () says:

>Dearly beloved people....if we begin a revival of Who Wuz The Spy In
>The Blue Moon Saloon, I am going to take out a membership in the NRA
>and buy myself an elephant gun.

Ken, that wouldn't do you any good!  There are no elephants in here, only
pigs, cats and of course, dogs......  Can you hit an elephant that isn't
here?  Or maybe only in your pajamas? [now what was it doing in your jammies...
Groucho has a lot to answer for....]

>Ken <Dr. Love>

How about getting yourself a large Bomb, and learning to <Love> that?:-)
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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  Peter explains:

  >Disagreement with someone else's beliefs, is not disrespect for them.
  >To mock Hitler, or Stalin, or Pat Buchannan, or the Pope helps no one.

  So by respecting beliefs you mean not mocking them? Is it ok to disagree
in any terms that do not amount to "mocking" if we do not want to be bigots?
For example, if I say "your beliefs are false and revolting, and I have
no respect for them", is this "mocking"? If no, in what sense does it amount
to "respecting" the beliefs in question? If yes, just what can we say without
"mocking" beliefs?