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From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price)
Subject: Re: How is concerned with appearances defined?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:46:38 GMT

What is the official definition (if indeed one exists) of concerned with
appearances, and how would I know that I am living a concerned with 
appearances lifestyle.

My impression is that concerned with appearances types are into certain films 
and have their walls plastered with certain prints, but this is not really a 
definition.

Cheers,
Tom





Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (cyberpunk)
Subject: Re: TV - flawed message and/or medium?
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:10:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.204551.15829@unixg.ubc.ca> turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel) writes:
|
|Some recent postings have suggested that the problem with TV is the content,
|not the medium itself.  Consider this - you get around 100 channels of 
|information on TV.  Information comes  at a set time.  You cannot interrupt
|the flow of information (to think about what you are receiving, for example)
|without losing part of it.  TV embodies the rule that "the few speak and the
|many listen".   Now look at a book... the smallest library or bookstore has
|two to three orders of magnitude more channels of information.  You can
|consume as many books in parallel as you can keep track of.  You read *when*
|you want to.  "The many speak to the many".  You can interrupt the flow of
|information to criticize it.
|
|I realize that videorecorders allow one to compensate for the shortcomings
|of the medium, to an extent.  The fact remains that the number of
|simultaneous channels of information, and the range of levels and content
|are much greater for books than for TV.  To an extent, the *medium* of TV
|is flawed.  The message is, of course, problematic.
|
|Bill
|turkel@unixg.ubc.ca

This definition refers to TV as the medium exists today, but that is
certainly not the end of the line for television.  I suspect that it
will always be changing as technology develops.  For instance, I
imagine that as soon as ISDN becomes practical this definition of
television and the complaints about it will be laughed at.  Many
developers have said that they want to make it as interactive as
possible, which would include television behaving just like a moedrn
day VCR.  Fastforward, rewind, pause, Timer viewing, etc.  Basically,
watch what you want when you want and how you want.  It's not that far
away, I'd guess.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: what is Cyberpunk?
From: cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:23:14 -0500
Organization: The CyberSwamp

	Cyberpunk has been described as being like art: everyone has their own
definition. So, by analogy:
			Cyberpunk is a mand's name.
	Just my two cents.
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Keywords: hierachiy, power, prehistory, nit-picking
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:11:00 GMT

>tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.) writes in
<22AUG199220412414@juliet.caltech.edu> that...
>  it is interesting to note that hunter-gatherer cultures are almost completely
>non-violent, probably due to the fact that there is nothing they have that
>is "hoardable" as implied by ....

 I'm an Anthropology student and have read a number of ethnographies and
done some studying of stateless societies, most of which are egaltarian
hunter gathering types. There is PLENTY of violence. There isn't a lot of
value to steal (which is one of the ways they stay egaltarian) but almost
every individual is armed usually with hunting weapons. In heated
arguments or during feuds, these weapons work on people just as easily.
EVERYONE is armed.

Wassail,
Al Billings

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From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Why freedom of information must be garenteed!!! [sic]
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:08:10 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Aug27.215843.25965@cs.com>, larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.142317.7154@ac.dal.ca> rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>If you organize before the crash to replace the system of government after
>>the net is down then people won't stave.  People are already starving under
>>this system!  
> 
> I assume you'd take out the phone system, too, as that could be used to
> stop a revolution?  What about all the loss of innocent lives due to 
> inability to call police (for burglaries), fire dept, ambulances, etc.?
> There'd be mass looting and pillaging.  Amateur philosophers with computers 
> would be eaten alive by hordes of bikers and survivalists.  They might 
> thank you for crashing the net before they blew your head off.
> 
> You act as though this rebooting process is something that can be done
> in a day or two.  Also, I'm curious as to what sort of "organizing" is 
> going to insure that everyone in a large metropolitan area is going to 
> be fed, have fires put out, etc.  Any "organizing" on that scale is going 
> to be obvious to the authorities.  I can believe that the system could be
> brought down, but I don't think anyone would be able to control what
> happens after that...

"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than
 no government at all!"

*LARGE SARCASTIC GRIN*



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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: acsbk@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Footware. =(
Reply-To: acsbk@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:42:59 GMT

	L.A. lights. They have LEDs in the heels that light when you walk
on them and depress the pressure pad. I think they look ridiculous. Just
an opinion. Just poor design i think.
I think they are by LA Gear, but I think that is me being mixed up, not what
was advertised.

	I hear through the grapevine that Reebok is releasing 'Ultralights'
that use graphite composites for support, and that in the future a CO2 
cartridge powered 'pump up' sports shoe will be available.

On a side note that was a thread before: My friend Spencer has Purple Neon
flourecent tubing that goes around the entire underside of his Gloss Black
TransAm (or was it a Camero?)... Looks tres cool I must say.. its like this
black car driving around and from underneath there is this st. elmo's fire
that seems to be propelling it. ok. maybe i am easily impressed. I want to
by this Karmann Ghia I saw and do the same.

	Bret Kulakovich	
	ACSBK@UMASSD.EDU
From: jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: D. K. Moran information wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:16:11 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

I recently subscribed to this newsgroup, and when I was reading through the
FAQ I noticed a book called "The Last Dancer" by Daniel Keys Moran. Could 
someone please send me more information on this? (Subject, when published,
where I might be able to find it, etc.)

Thanks muchly.
Johanna Draper
JDRAPER@OPIE.BGSU.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu (Vuyyuru Prabhakar)
Subject: Thanks!!
Reply-To: pvuyyur@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:13:23 GMT


Thank you for the FAQ file robinson!!

Prabhu

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IGNORANCE IS NOT ALWAYS BLISS, NOT FOR CYBERPUNKS ANYWAY!!

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (cyberpunk)
Subject: Re: Upcoming cyber gathering, SF
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Hardcore cybertech gathering 10 September
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 02:50:28 GMT

In article <181tbuINN567@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> tripstr@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Todd Courtois) writes:

|[I MAGI NATION] cyberflyer deleted...

What seperates this from any ole' rave??  Curious.... Especially since
it was posted on the sfraves list...

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From: strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Keywords: lock, deadbolt, skeleton key...
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:54:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

well, I've already gotten a couple, and as I said before I'd be more than
happy to maintain a list with just a minimun of help from the other authors.

From what I've gotten so far I foresee the list looking like this

Name: Tiny
Owner: Sean Jameson           Contact: strake@dartmouth.edu
Tiny is a big orc merc who prefers the axe to a gun.
Doesn't talk much because he doesn't like his voice. Currently in the
hospital healing a broken leg received on his last shadowrun.


I think if we keep the description down to 2 or 3 lines, we should be able to
avoid having a meg consuming list.  If it turns out that there are just too
many characters, it will be very easy for me to turn the list into:

Tiny        Orc merc           strake@dartmouth.edu (Sean Jameson)

so at the very least there is an easy to use list for finding who to contact

either way, I'm happy to start the list.  If you send me a character please
give the information in something resembling the above format. If you don't
I'll probably change it so that it is.
thanks and keep writing

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From: schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Michael Schommer [Inf-FSE])
Subject: ADMIN: Looking for a co-author for a german Cyber-Story
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:04:09 GMT

 
  Hi Folks !!
 
  I'm writing a german Cyberpunk novel, and I'm looking for a german
  speaking and writing co-author. German text follows:
 
 
  Hi Chatsubo-Freaks !!
 
  Ich schreibe gerade an einem Cyberpunk-Roman. Die Geschichte ist
  glaub' ich ganz gut, und ich komme auch gut voran, aber mein Stil ist
  zu sachlich. Deshalb suche ich einen Co-Autor fuer meinen Roman, der
  a) meine Manuskripte liest und auf Glaubwuerdigkeit bzw. Logik checkt, und
  b) mein nuechternes Geschreibsel mit Leben erfuellt (ausmalt...).
 
  Wer Interesse hat, mir bei meinem Erstlings-'Werk' zu helfen, antworte
  bitte per E-Mail. Bis dann...
 
        Saari
 

 Michael H. Schommer				    schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de
 Am Glockenturm 10			             Amateur Radio: DC 3 VR
 6750 Kaiserslautern				             IRCNICK: Saari
                    			                                    
 Vox: 0631 / 78514		     "Phantasie ist wichtiger als Wissen !"
 Btx: 063178455-0001			 	          (Albert Einstein)

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Michael Schommer [Inf-FSE])
Subject: Looking for german co-author for Cyberpunk novel
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Sorry, german text !! 
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: dnet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:19:45 GMT

 
  Hi Folks !!
 
  I'm writing a german Cyberpunk novel, and I'm looking for a german
  co-author. German text follows:
 
 
  Hi Chatsubo-Freaks !!
 
  Ich schreibe gerade an einem Cyberpunk-Roman. Die Geschichte ist
  glaub' ich ganz gut, und ich komme auch gut voran, aber mein Stil ist
  zu sachlich. Deshalb suche ich einen Co-Autor fuer meinen Roman, der
  a) meine Manuskripte liest und auf Glaubwuerdigkeit bzw. Logik checkt, und
  b) mein nuechternes Geschreibsel mit Leben erfuellt (ausmalt...).
 
  Wer Interesse hat, mir bei meinem Erstlings-'Werk' zu helfen, antworte
  bitte per E-Mail. Bis dann...
 
        Saari
 

 Michael H. Schommer				    schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de
 Am Glockenturm 10			             Amateur Radio: DC 3 VR
 6750 Kaiserslautern				             IRCNICK: Saari
                    			                                    
 Vox: 0631 / 78514		     "Phantasie ist wichtiger als Wissen !"
 Btx: 063178455-0001			 	          (Albert Einstein)

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins)
Subject: ADMIN: Who's Who?
Organization: Ohio State Cyberpsycho Rehab Clinic
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:11:53 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Because of the redundancy of the situation, I am not continuing to accept
submissions to the Who's Who.  All further submissions should be sent to...
ah, yeah.  Him.  The other guy.

The reason behind this is simple: I don't agree with the need to have two
Who's Who.  (Having one is pushing the creative randomness that we have around
here.  As for having a summary plots, as long as people don't start assuming
this is all happening in the same time/space.)  I don't agree with the format
of the other WW but he's willing to put in the work for it.


---
Kent Jenkins	| He who fights with monsters might take care,
("Thenomain")	| lest he thereby become a monster.
		| And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
		| the abyss gazes also into you.  -- Nietzsche
From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: RE:HUBERT:NEKOKO RECIEVED!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:54:52 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


YO HUBERT

SORRY FOR POSTING  BUT NO E-MAIL PRIVS!!!
WELL NOT SENDING ANYWAY
GOT ALL FOUR PARTS    -    CHEERS!!!!
WILL LOSE PRIVS ON FRIDAY!!!    :-(
HOWEVER IF YOU DON'T FINISH IT BY THEN
POST IT HERE (I ASSUME YOU WILL ANYWAY!!)
CAUSE I WILL TRY AND GET ON A FRIENDS DIRECTORY
AND EXTRACT IT FROM THERE!!
IF NOT SEND ME YOUR SNAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL WRITE TO YOU
AND SEND MONEY TO COVER POSTAGE OF HARDCOPY!!

HAVE FUN DUDE

AND REMEMBER          CYBER THOSE NORMS!!

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From: strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:05:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

well I say go for it.
It seems pretty obvious that most would like a list of characters.
as well as a list of contact adresses.
'hell I'll even volunteer to keep the list and update it once a week if the
authors send me a weekly mailing to give current status on their characters

I highly doubt we will get more standardized than that.  And If I'm doing the
listing, I won't let it.

so, sure I'm going for it.

current information i would suggest

Tiny  big ork that prefers an axe to a gun  currently in hospital because of
broken leg on last run.  He's a deadly foe and a valuable friend doesn't talk
much because he doesn't like his voice  contact strake@dartmouth.edu

anything else that might be of interest to people.

basically just a so who is out there that I could interact with kind of listing

If you want to be put in a listing send me something like the above to
strake@dartmouth.edu  and I'll start compiling them.


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From: hgb@catalina.edu (Hubert Bartels)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Nekoko's story 13 available
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:01:25 GMT
Organization: Optical Sciences Center


	I've finally decided to fill in the one missing piece in
Nekoko's story - chapter 13. To save bandwidth, those of you
interested can pick it up at the archive site {catalina.opt-sci
.arizona.edu} || {128.196.206.60} using anonymous ftp. The file
name is /pub/chatsubo/nekoko.13.
	I didn't post it because the story is a year out of date,
but if enough people ask, I'll post it anyway. Having everything
up to date, I can finally continue with the current story.

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From: andsol@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew J. Solberg)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:34:20 GMT
Organization: Rice University

I'd like to point out that this has been done in alt.pub.dragons-inn with a
certain amount of success.  However, I was under the impression that the
majority in this group are opposed to 'organizing' attempts for the very-
justifiable reason that such steps can stifle creativity.  

Such a list is easily accomplished, particularly since the traffic on the
chat is at such a low.
-- 
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From: JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who's Who in the Chatsubo?
Summary: Of all the times to have a faulty deck...
Keywords: lock, deadbolt, skeleton key...
Organization: Ohio State Cyberpsycho Rehab Clinic
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:25:18 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Well, hmm...

Those times where my little mind goes click-click-click, I get dangerous.
Because that means I'm thinking.  And when I'm thinking, I usually don't
know what I'm doing.

Doesn't this just explain life all over?

Sure, if you all want a list, I'll give you a list.  Not a list of character
descriptions.  (I saw that in alt.dragons-inn and I didn't want to file through
10k just to see what was going on -- ugh, be real.)  But a list of chronicles,
of characters, and of the author's e-mail address.

After all, Phylus took away my short-and-sweet Chatsubo Explination.
And, as to note, some people came up with those "rules" before Jim.
<coughcoughcoughcough!>

Anyone object?  (I'll take e-mail with any author's character infromation
as a "No!  Please do!")

			-Kent Jenkins
			("Thenomain")


---
Kent Jenkins	| He who fights with monsters might take care,
("Thenomain")	| lest he thereby become a monster.
		| And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
		| the abyss gazes also into you.  -- Nietzsche
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Request: info on other storyline groups
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I'm working on an article on the Usenet Oracle and for background am
trying to learn as much as possible about other forms of on-line
collaborative writing.  I'm especially interested in collaborative
projects where authorship is by design or convention anonymous (as in
rec.humor.oracle), but would like to know about any storyline groups
or software, Usenet-based or otherwise, that people know about, along
the lines of chatsubo.  Thanks!

-- 
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  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us upon that of Homer."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |     --Diogenes the Cynic
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: exs16@po.CWRU.Edu (Eugene Shumulinsky)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Re: The Inverse Square Law : Six
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:03:13 GMT
Reply-To: exs16@po.CWRU.Edu (Eugene Shumulinsky)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, atmpas@vax.oxford.ac.uk () says:

>			 The Inverse Square Law : Six
>			 ============================

	Umm.... what happened to three, four, and five?

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