From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:17:53 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1hrfo6INNpa1@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>In article 4600@bimacs.BITNET, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>In article <92363.183522CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
>>CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:
>
>>>If you mean that Eretz Yisrael is the homeland of the Jews and not of
>>>any other nation as well then you are wrong, because it is also the
>>> homeland of the Palestinians.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>How come?
>>You should learn first about the strangers population in eretz yisrael
>>before writing something like that.
>
>Ok.
>
>>Please read Britanica 1910 "Palestine -population " and other sources.
>>The strangers ("Arabs") are mainly new commers: Gypsies, Egyptians,
>>Persians, Bosnians, Afghans, Algirians, Syrians...
>>The term "Palestians" was used during WW2 to describe the Jews from
>>eretz yisrael volunteered to fight Germany ( Oxford dic.). This term
>>was adopted during the last 20 years by the Arabian propaganda in
>>order to convince people as if the non Jews in Erets Yisrael form a
>>specific society.

>...
>Nobody disputes that there was significant migration into and out
>of Palestine over many years, but your contention that most
>Palestinian Arabs of 1910 resulted from it is not supported by
>the evidence.  Here is one of many pieces of quantitative evidence
>that prove you are dead wrong:
>
>  Birth places of residents of Jerusalem and Hebron districts in 1905.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                       Cities              Villages
>  district       Jerusalem  Hebron     Jerusalem  Hebron
>
>  same place        78.0     96.7        93.9     94.8
>  other Palestine   10.3      2.5         5.7      4.4
>  not Palestine     11.7      0.8         0.4      0.8
>
>  [U. O. Schmelz, Population characteristics of Jerusalem and Hebron
>     districts according to the Ottoman census of 1905, in Ottoman
>     Palestine 1800-1910 (G. Gilbar, ed.), (Brill Leiden, 1990).]
>
>These figures demonstrate that even in the most cosmopolitan place in
>Palestine, Jerusalem city, most people who lived there in 1905 were
>born there.
>
>Brendan.

Very nice , but I wrote about the STRENGERS population in the land of
Israel, not about the total population (JEWS and strangers) at
Jerusalem of 1914.

( first dates statistics based on Othman (Turkish)
Sources  they occupied the Land till 1917 later - on British ones
they occupied the land till 1948).

Year         Jews         Moslims         Christians        Total
1840         7,120        5,000              3,390           15,510
1870        11,000        6,500              4,500           22,000
1896        28,112        8,560              8,748           45,420
1905        40,000        7,000             13,000           60,000
1931        54,000       20,000             19,000           93,000
1946        99,500       33,500             32,000          165,000
1967       165,000       60,000             10,800          267,000
1985       328,000      115,700             14,000          457,700
1990       353,900      125,200             14,400          493,500
1991       393,200      136,530             15,170          544,900

Hence : from 1840 Jews are not just the largest minirity  at
Jerusalem, Jews are the majority at that city.
Add to the above the fact that many strangers came to Jerusalem after
1910 e.g. those north African Moslims who lievd at the Magrab sub. of
Jerusalem, and the fact that many strangers sattelt at Haifa area ,
like those from Syria, the fact that the 2 part of Beit Lehem :Yammani
( "from Yeman") and Massrawi ( "from Massr - Egypt") are new commers
and you will get a more accurate picture about the situatuin.

 Shalom    gideon Ehrlich