HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Gerdsooz, good job guys
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:57:05 GMT


Drood Bar Ali Agha Gol:

Just wanted to appreciate your effort for developing such a tool for our
usage here.  With such a development, we can have more poems and
cultural notes here on SCI.

Your superb effort is greatly appreciated.

Kindly Reagrds

Zamie
From: farhad@cwi.nl (Farhad Arbab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: chAleh meydoon
Keywords: gerdAli
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:49:59 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <amoojoon.158@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh>, amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed) writes:
 
 <stuff deleted>

|> 
|> The late Dr. Shokri who taught amoo "adabiyAteh FArsi" was also a member of 
|> "farhangestAneh zabAneh IrAn". Once he told amoo (who at that time was 
|> religiously trying to speak pure FArsi) that not all phrases would make 
|> sense if we tried to convert it to FArsi; he then gave me an example 
|> involving the word "gerdAli" which to this date brings smile to my face. He 
|> said: "bebin pedar jAn agar shomA beri edAreh dArAyee ghesmati hast beh 
|> nAmeh dAyereh mAliyAteh mostagheem". He then explained that the government
|> (that of ShAh) had asked them to transliterate whatever Arabic terms they 
|> found into FArsi. According to the late Dr. a group of "tAzeh kAr" liguists 
|> came up with the following FArsi substitute: "gerdAliyeh bAjeh sikhaki", 
|> which is technically correct but at the same time it's absolutely hilarious.
|> 

Actually the (in)famous Farhangestan was not during the Shah's
years, but during his father's, Reza Shah.  There are many such
stories, most of which are pure fiction, but, of course, they
are entertaining.  Another famous one is the following.

Here is a (partial) list of allegedly official Farhangestan "pure
Persian" equivalents for some of the concepts in geometry.

	Circle		dAyereh		gerdekAn
	Line		khat		derAzi
	Point		noghte		bi hame chiz (without anything)
	Tangent		momAs		mAlidan

Consequently, the statement "We make a tangent line from a point to
a circle."  which is "az noghte-i khatti bar dAyereh-i momAs
mikonim." becomes "az bi hame chizi derAzi bar gerdekAni mimAlim."

(Check with someone fluent in Persian slang to find the double
meaning here.)  Imagine the fun that the immature "hungry" teen-agers
used to have with this statement (and the like) in sexually
segregated high-schools back then.

Cheers,

Farhad Arbab
Interactive Systems
Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science
Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Email: farhad@cwi.nl                    Fax:   +31 20 592-4199
Phone: +31 20 592-4056                  Telex: 12571 mactr nl


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Announcing Gerdsooz!!
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:34:00 GMT

Very good job.  

                               With highest regards,
                                    Babak   Sehari.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Ms(Mr)King (the jews)
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:05:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalie Hossein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Ms King real name (The Jews)

Karbalie Hossein writes:

Dear Netters and in particular Ms. King and The Jewish readership
of the SCI,
	
|	It has come to my attention that there is a lot of flames
|directed towards this group of netters and the advice most often
|given is to ignore this blatant display of haterd. I strongly
|disagree with this suggestion and I want you all to be aware of
|this view and know that racism against Jews exists among Iranians
|as well as other nations. I am saddened by the support that a
|right wing facist such as MG would get from educated people reading
|this newsgroup.
--------------------------------------------------------------

It is a funny world we live in, if you try to defend the MULIMS 
and ISLAM you accused of racism and anti-semitic and this a common 
practice by the jews, any body attak them, even if the person is 
right, they start talking about anti-semitic and holocaust.

I am sure you are educated enough to know that the zionist movement
are spending  millions of dollars to attak the muslims regrdless
pickup any newspaper and see for your self (in the U.K all the 
newspapers controlled if not owned by the jews)
--------------------------------------------------------------

|	I would like to see more cultural and social discussions in
|this group not the slanders and flames that seem to dominate the use
|of the bandwidth. Furthermore, such personal and baseless attacks 
|merely reaffirms the idea that we, Iranians, are nothing but a bunch
|of savages who are bloodthirsty and uncompromising.
--------------------------------------------
That what exactly they are doing not just the iranians but all the muslims
are portrait as bunch of savages and I am sure the more you respect them
the more they look at you as a savage creature.
It is the time that we MUSLIMS have to stand together against any attak
otherwise the zionist movement will have the free hand to do anything

IN SHORT:
     look how they treat the Palastinians and the lebanese in KAYAM
     prison
     ********
     Although I do not agree with kidnapping but
     It is OK for them to kidnap thousands of muslims from their homes
     in lebanon and put them in KAYAM prison 
     
     (SHEIK OBAID KIDNAPPED FROM HIS HOME IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE 
      AND CHILDREN) but look what happen when the lebanese 
      kidnapped a few??

     WHERE ARE THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE CIVILISED PEOPLE YOU ARE 
     TALKING ABOUT
     
     YOU SHOULD KNOW FOR SURE THAT EVEN THE HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION 
     IS CONTROLLED BY THE JEWS.



M.G
CARDIF , WALES, U.K
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: zange-tafreeh ( slight correction )
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:02:04 GMT

In article <lglmd5INNrhv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> >>>>>> Anonymous writes:
>mack@isl.stanford.edu writes is ZANGE TAFREEH
>[ deleted text and poem]
>
>>            |              : c =        :   .         |      |  T
>>         .  | _,_8   q   4_,_w_) _w   4_,_w_7  q    o |  o   |q |
>>        (_)  / :     /          /              /   (       /  /  
>
>[more deletions]
>
>Dear Big Mac
>You have misspelled HEYRAN.

Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I apologize to you and all SCI
ahAli for my error.

>It is spelled with HE-YE-JEEMEE as in HEYVAN (aka. Mack).

lotf dAreed (you are very kind).

>I enjoyed the poem though, keep up the good work.

I shall try.

>a secretive but not an ignorant fellow countryman

And it shows.

    --mack

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mina@seas.gwu.edu (Mina E. Marshall)
Subject: voices and visions
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:31:31 GMT

I was very exicted to see the following program announcement at one
of the Iranian Grocery stores.  I thought I would share it with every 
body.  I hope people in D.C. area enjoy it!  
	                  
                         Women's Center 
                  Foundation for Iranian Studies
                           Presents


                       VOICES AND VISIONS
           IRANIAN WOMEN ARTISTS, DIRECTORS AND WRITERS


                     Sunday 22 November 1992
                The George Washington University 


2:00-3:00 PM Exhibition of Paintings by:
	       Maryam Javeheri (New York)
	       Farideh Lashai (Tehran)
	       Rafat Mosaddeqi (Washington, D.C.)

             Exhibition of Portraits by:
               Maryam Zandi (Tehran)

             Exhibition of Ceramics by:
               Maryam Saloor (Tehran)
               Malekeh Nayiny (Paris)

3:00-4:00 PM Reading and Discussion of Recent Publications by:
	       Nahid Rachlin from Veils (English)
	       Goli Taraghi from Images From Bygone Days (Persian) 

4:00-4:30 PM Reception, Book Exhibit and Sale, Conversation with
	     Authors and Artists

4:30-6:30 PM Viewing of "Nargess," A film by Rakhshan Bani-Etemad, 
	     winner of Best Director Award at the 1370 (1991) Fajr
	     International Film Festival

		Marvin Center, Continental Ballroom
 		 The George Washington University
   		      800 21st Street, N.W.
			Washington, D.C.
		   Tickets $ts $10 at the Gate
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Definition of a Fanatic! [sci-poster]
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:02:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
To: sci-anon-poster


I find the following to be very fitting of the behavior of some recent
posters to sci. By recent I mean arrivals since a year ago.

A FANATIC IS ONE WHO CAN NOT CHANGE HIS MIND AND WILL NOT CHANGE
THE SUBJECT.

Winston Churchill.
Sure the British hand again!
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bahman Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Testing anonymous posting [sci-poster]
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:46:55 GMT

In article <tooraj.721814599@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au> tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati) writes:

>
>Just the thing we needed, anonymous posting to sci. Isn't already
>enought nonsense on sci, why add more?

Anonymous posting is important because there are people who 
might have good issues/points but feel threatened by leaving their name/address.

The automatic anonymous system is a two edged sward in the sence that
in one hand it allows more participation and fresh ideas and on the other 
becomes a tool of bigotry.

In general I agree with you in that, I find only perhaps %5 to %10 of the
postings on SCI of any value.

bahman khamneian
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: None [sci-poster] [sci-poster]
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:21:40 GMT
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In article <1992Nov14.142239.21696@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
>
> ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- A senior Iranian cleric sent a hostile signal
>Friday to President-elect Bill Clinton, vowing Iran ``will mobilize
>zealous vigilantes against the West,'' the official Islamic Republic
>News Agency reported.
> Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati told a prayer congregation in Tehran that the
>confrontaiton between Iran and the United States was likely to continue
>during Clinton's administration, and he did not expect changes in U.S.
>foreign policy.

> ``They (the Americans) keep saying that Iran is a threat to the
>United States...which is true. We are glad to learn that we are a threat
>to our enemies,'' Jannati said.
> Iran was ``going to build nuclei of resistance throughout the globe,''
>and ``will mobilize the zealous vigilantes against the West and against
>the seekers of unjust domination,'' he said.
> The late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini left instructions in his last
>will and testament for Iran's ruling clerics ``to form the nuclei of
>resistance throughout the world,'' Jannati told his congregation.

This is nothing new. The regime in Iran has always resorted
to terrorism. The so called "nuclei of resistance" are and
have been the regime's embassies and its diplomat terrorists.

A.Z.

 
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From: mahboudi@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU (Fereidoun Mahboudi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: respond to Agriculture in iran
Summary: respond to Agriculture in iran
Keywords: culture
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:25:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: njmsa.k?o.721333537
Distribution: soc

There is a group of Iranian students and faulties in the U.S.A who are 
starting to have Scientific relationship with iranian Agricultural
school and other related department in Iran.  
They have all information you may need.  if you send me your address
, telephone no. or email, I will send it to friend of mine who is 
a member of that group in Colorado.  

Please respond directly to: mahboudi@umdnj.edu

The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (USA)
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Of anon. posting and old memories [sci-anonymous-poster]
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:56:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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In article <lgj4vgINNiiq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> you write:
>I wanted to thank ShAhrokh for his idea and work to forward anonymous
>postings to SCI.

 The same goes here.
>
>We never had the chance to PRACTICE free expressing and
>exchanging of ideas and personal beliefs the way we have it in SCI. Time,
>practice and experience will change everyone. Hoping for the day when all
>Iranians, whether back HOME or abroad, can freely express their religious and
>political beliefs in any kind of forum. With many thanks.
>
This is a very novel thought. The last time I remember one could freely
discuss these issues was right after the revolution in front of
University of Tehran.  Does anyone remember those times?  There were
tens of groups and gatherings, from the cafeteria to the sidewalks on
U of T. You could just walk on to a group and join the discussion. You
could say what you wanted without fear of Pass Gardani [C seyyed].

Unfortunately, those times did not last more than a couple of months.
After that we saw gangs of Hezbollah who carried sticks and knives.
They would attack those gatherings and discussions, and even set fire
to some of the bookstores in front of University of Tehran which sold
the books the Hesbollahis disliked. (do you remember their slogan
Hezb faghat hezbollAh, Rahabar faghat RouhollAh?)

I am telling you, I am having the time of my life here at SCI.
I can listen to my fellow Iranians, I can join in a discussion or
just leave the discussion (the "n" key). And when I finish my studies
here and go back home, I am not worried about Pass Gardani [ c seyyed]
at the airport. (Thanks to ShAhrokh for providing anonymous posting)

>Long live our Persian homeland (not under IRI)
>
Why is it that I always dislike slogans?

>ShahrAm
>
Morad
 

 
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Continued Humor (Especially for Mr. Aref) [sci-poster]
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:55:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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Aref writes:
>>
>>Readers might suggest some other equally suitable names they could
>>attach to "centers".
>>
>>"The Jack the Ripper Women's Rights Center"
>>
>>"The Ayatollah Khomeini center for freedom of speech"
>>
>>"the Jean-Marie Le Pen center for racial understanding"
>>
>
>"The Ronald Reagan Library" (they almost built it behind Stanford, but
> howls of protest caused them to drop the idea)
>
>"The Helen Keller Audio-Visual Center"
>
>The George Bush Center for Economics Management
>
>The Dan Quayle Center for Executive Excellence
>
>The Charles & Diana foundation for Marital Research
>
>The Mulroney Center for Anglo-French Integration
>
...

>:-)

>Anymore folks?

On the Iranian side, how about

The Ashraf Pahlavi Center for the Study of Moral Issues

The Montazeri center for Human Intelligence

The Lajevardi Center for Judicial Rights

The Ardabili Center for Fitness

The Rajavi Center for Extera-Marital Affairs

The Abrishamchian Foundation for the Lost Wives

The Khamenei Center for Ambidexterous Activities

The Rafsanjani Center for the Study of Hair Growth

The Kianouri Center for Independent Thinking

The Khalkhali Peace Corp

and many many many others ...

**Just an observer of Iranian modern history.
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Poems  (Medieval)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:00:42 GMT


I ran across some poems translated by Dr. Richard (Dick) Davis.
I don't have the Persian texts, but I thought some readers may
still be interested in reading them in English.



Mohammad Abdah

They ask me why I run away
From all that courtiers do and say;
Because I'm clever, I retort--
And only idiots live at court.


Rabe'eh Ghazdari

My hope's that God will make you fall in love
With someone cold and callous just like you
And that you'll realize my true vale when
You're twisting in the torments I've been through.

Sanai

If I could choose to come I'd not have come;
If I could choose to go, when would I go?
The best would be if I had never come,
And were not here, and did not have to go.

Jabali

You're eloquent and have exquisite tastes,
Your character is kind and generous too;
Your only fault is that in love--enemies,
Strangers, friends--they're all the same to you.

Rumi

The nights I spend with you, love will not let me sleep--
The nights I spend alone, I lie awake and weep;
With you or without you God knows I stay awake--
But look what different forms a sleepless night can take!

Anonymous

Your house is crammed with theology books--so what?
They're useless without money--which you haven't got.
Gold's what you need, coins of the realm!! Does you girl care
About your De Pontentia and all such rot?



Hope you enjoyed these:)
Mellissa Namazi
From: TORSHIZI@utkvx.utk.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: PHONETIC_ALPHABET [sci-poster]
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:54:07 GMT
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

I have noticed that everybody has his own way of writing FARSI.
I think it would make it easier if everybody uses PHONETIC ALPHABET.
The following list was suggested by "kasravi"
(DABIRE YE A'VA'YI)

a' as "a" in "are"
a as "a" in "and"
b as "b" in "bed"
c as "ch" in "cheese"
d as "d" in "door"
e as "e" in "end"
f as "f" in "far"
g as "g" in "go"
h as "h" in "head"
i as "ee" in "see"
j as "j" in "jar"
k as "k" in "kill"
l as "l" in "lip"
m as "m" in "man"
n as "n" in "name"
o as "oo" in "door"
p as "p" in "pie"
q as "r" in French "rose" q as in FARSI "qoba'd"
r as "r" in Spanish "burro" r as in FARSI "ruz"
s as "s" in "sit
t as "t" in "ted"
u as "oo" in "hood"
v as "v" in "very"
w as "sh" in "shoe"
x as "ch" in German "Buch" x as in FARSI "xa'b"
y as "y" in "yellow"
z as "z" in "zebra"
z' as "j" in French "joli" z' as in FARSI "a'z'and"

Gholam
Qola'm

 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Thatcher urges Israeli students to unlock 'secrets of the univer
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:32:13 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

> In article <1992Nov17.231318.18855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Sta
> >In article <1992Nov17.165309.7835@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul 
> >>In article <1992Nov17.101345.1010@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew 
> >>>
> >>
> >>"The Ronald Reagan Library" (they almost built it behind Stanford, but
> >>                             howls of protest caused them to drop the idea)
> >>

Actually, they did built the thing about 5 miles from my house.  UHHHGGGG!
I guess we couldn't protest enough!!!  I haven't been in it yet.  I don't
know if I could go without one of those airline barf bags with me.


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