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From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Thor vs. Spidey
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:06:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>
>First off, I think they developed that old blonde stodge as much as they
>possibly could.  I mean, what kind of private life did that old blonde prick
>have?  Jane Foster and Sif.  Oh, and then he hung around with the Warriors
>Three occasionally.  Whoooopeeeedo!

    I don't think they've nearly developed that 'blonde stogdge' as far as
they could.  Simonson, Lee and (for a time) Shooter touched upon some of the
interesting and sometimes provocative nature of a God that had an obligation
towards mortals.

>Eric is a human being, and thus has all the emotional baggage of the particular
>human being his is.  He's divorced and has a son he misses very much.  He wants
>to reconcile with his wife, and if you happen to have A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH
>SOMEONE WHO HAS HUMAN FUCKING PROBLEMS RATHER THAN "OH HOW THE FUCK AM I GOING
>TO CASH IN ON MY MYTHOLOGY THIS WEEK" THEN FUCK YOU!!!!

     I'll address this passage despite the juvenile rantings you seem so fond
of ranting.  Perhaps your juvenile depth and maturity has to do with how much
you enjoy these soap operish and cliche points that Mr. Defalco brings up.  His
attempt at preserving (or rather going backwards) the 60's Marvel is quite
reactionary and uncreative.  You can't tell me you actually feel for this
'Don Blake' of the 90's!!  Alright, he might seem to have some 'normal'
problems, but these have been dealt with by many a more capable writer in less
cliche a manner as Defalco has.





>Donald Blake sucked.  Sigurd Jarenson was cool 'cuz Simonson handled him as
>trying to ADJUST TO LIVING WITH HUMANS!!!!

    You support my own point that they've only begun to explore the true
Thor's position in the Marvel Universe with that sentence about Simonson.
>
>Beat off butt brain.  You and you stagnation are choking me.

    Again juvenile rantings!  Well, to each their own. If the further
exploration of Thor in the mortals' world is stagnation, take a look at this
retro-poor imitation of the 60's that Defalco and Frenz are sadly attempting.
Just think of the innumerable possibilities of Thor's perspective on many of
the issues for we humans.  A strong point of art is to look upon life from
different perspectives and possibly give a provacative critique of life.  These
reactionary bull being fed to us for $1.25 a month, just keeps comics as the
pathetic stereotypical immature, cliched and uncreative crap that the masses
believe they are.

>Doug.
>

    Look forward to replying to your replies in the future.  And please keep
the language intelligent if not clean!!!

-- 

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:53:52 GMT
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<SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>When I first saw Powerpax, I beleived her to be the four members merged.
>When she said her name was Frank, I realized I had misses Franklin Richards:
>Powerpax is the Power Kids plus Frank merged into one being.

That was my initial thought, but Francine didn't use Franklin's powers,
and there was no Tattletale logo on her costume, so I decided that it
was just the four of them.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
   recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
				-- John Blasik
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From: tsait@nuge105.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
Subject: Re: Marveleone II
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:17:48 GMT

In article <YduSAdG00awV0jklgd@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
>Okay,
>
>As was put by someone, I wrote my last post as a dictator... something
>that I didn't like about Tom DeFalco. Anyway, here we go with New
>Marveleone Policy.
>
>(This is still my dream, so bear with me or read elsewhere).
>
>1. Number ONE: The writer is in charge of the book he's doing. The
>editor is there to make sure no that the book is not confusing to read,
>the art doesn't mislead the reader, typos and mistakes can be caught,
>and all characters' powers are basically consistent with what they
>should be. THAT'S ALL. We don't do Gruenwald/Harras/Macchio here.
>
>2. No editors are allowed, under any circumstances, to write stories.
>Not even fill-ins, or issues of What If. Editors are there to debug the
>system, not to program it.

I just wanted to note here that some of the better freelance writers have
emerged via being an editor-- Roger Stern comes to mind.  I believe PAD
was part of the Marvel bullpen before becoming a full time writer.  There are
others that I can't think of.  Rule #2 might cut off a sometimes good source
of writing talent.  Not that many of the higher ups give a horse's behind
about good writing talent.  Did Scott Lobdell become a writer after
being an editor?  I don't think he did (correct me if I am wrong), so that's
not a foolproof way of keeping out the hacks.  I'm picking on him because
of an issue of X-Men he scripted a couple of months back during the "get 
Wolverine back" storyline where he had everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) from 
Wolverine's past talking exactly like him.  
"Hey, bub, whyn't ya try takin' on someone yer own size?"  
"Fine by me, bub.  Yer funeral.  Don't 'spect me ta take the blame fer yer
  hospital bills."
Or words to that effect.
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Subject: MARVEL: metallurgy (was re: adamantium)
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:39:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: dmmatt

In article <11226@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, 
albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

(regarding Adamantium)

>>Modulus of elasticity?
> 	Totally inflexible.

Seems to me, if I remember my physics, if it don't bend, it don't bounce.
That must be what Cap's shield's vibranium component does.
Except that vibranium is supposed to absorb impact, which is why Cap can stop
tanks with his shield and not break his arm, so instead of bouncin' off walls, 
it out to go thud, no?

Also, recent XMen had this silliness with 'carbonadium', which is supposed to
be a 'more flexible adamantium'.

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From: J_DELANO1@unhh.unh.edu (Jeff   Delano)
Subject: Peter David's address
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:44:18 GMT
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Hi Ho.

	A friend of mine would like Peter David's address so that
he can tell him how much he's enjoying the X-Factor comics.
	I've heard he's around. . .
	Jeff Delano
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: Editorial Plans for '92
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:01:09 GMT

In article <mumble> khale@alydar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:

>Minor spoilers for various LSH related series : 

>In article <grumble> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
>>
>>WORLDS OF VALOR is an ongoing series about Lar Gand in the 20th century.
>>It'll be by Robert Loren Fleming and Mark Bright and starts in September.
>>Roughly around the turn of the year the flames should start. The first two
>>issues take place on Earth, then Luthor creates a starship for Lar (who's
>>given the name Valor by Superman in Eclipso:The Darkness Within #2) which
>>serves as his HQ as he goes on a joyride through the universe. The ship's
>>computer is sentient and sarcastic. Starting with #3, he's on his road trip
>>and will soon get a new look, new costume, and discover that his powers mutate
>>under different suns...see what I mean about the flames starting around the
>>turn of the year? 
>
>Why wait till the turn of the year ? I can start right now :-)
>
>a) Lar doesnt/shouldnt need a spaceship. Hes capable of FTL flight. Hes been
>shown doing it several times in the 30th century and even in the 20th century.

Quite possibly they've decided to drop Lar in power level to where
he's back on Superman's level and cannot do FTL by himself?  Only
thing I can think of....

>b) Lar has had the name Valor and the traditional Mon-El costume for over
>a year now, since last years Starman guest shot. Unless the Eclipso series
>took place earlier, how is this to be reconciled with Superman's giving him
>this name ? 

The Starman story was set in the future - I don't remember how far but
at least a couple of years from "now" in the comics.

>c) Power changes under different Suns sounds really STOOPID. This isnt 
>consistent with any application of his power we've seen before. 

Agreed.

>Not to mention that much as I like Mon-el as a character, I'm not that 
>interested in his 20th century adventures. We know that in 5-6 years (barring
>retcons), Lar is scheduled to break the Dominator empire and then go into
>the phantom zone for 1000 years. How long can this series last anyway ? 

Well, this IS comic books after all.  Five or six years takes, what, a
couple of decades to portray in comics?  8-)

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, Torg guru)
jogle@nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:44:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:

>I guess my major complaint with this idea is that it shows a great deal
>of intolerance.  "I don't like this publisher, so I want a group without
>them in it."  Yes, I know people who want to read all the posts can read
>all the groups.  That's not the point.  The point is that I find it sad
>that some want to divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
>world for the sake of convenience.

    But what about the people who have had to stop reading the group
because of its size. Rec.arts.comics does receive an average of 140
posts per day, and for some people who would like to read about comics
don't have time, or newsreaders with kill file capability to get to the
comics that they want to see. Personallty I see a reorg, as something
that will have to happen eventually, as the readership of UseNet
increases. Eventually rec.arts.comics will find itself back at the top
of the list of newsgroups for message traffic. As it is, rec.arts.comics
was the 3rd highest rec.arts.* group behind r.a.movies and r.a.tv.soaps
for the month of March.

--
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From: khale@dawnstar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: TT: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:10:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dawnstar

In article <s#rj_vd@lynx.unm.edu> vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus) writes:
>In article <11120@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>>
>>	Does the average schmoe on the street know that Nightwing and
>>Starfire have the hots for each other?  I didn't think so.  So long 
>>as Starfire and Nightwing remember to limit their PDA's, I wouldn't
>>think there would be a problem.
>>
>
>    I would think that the rumor mills would know.  After all, she
> was romantically linked to Robin, so anyone figuring out that
> Robin and Nightwing are the same person will know.  Whatever
> happened to the Perez idea of Dick appearing in public with
> Kory wearing disguises?  Geez, now he walks around wearing his
> costume and no mask, sees Kory with a spy (Mirage) following him, and
> who knows what else.  Batman should whip his butt.

I cant remember if its ever been stated that the public at large knows that
Robin-1 = Nightwing and that the Batman is currently on his third robin.
Of course, its hard to believe that anyone could not have noticed the
change in Robins, and its equally hard to believe that this could be
noticed and not tied to, say the adopting of a ward by Bruce Wayne
or the death of a Jason Todd. 

Commisioner Gordon, in particular, would have to be really brain-dead
not to have noticed this, particularly since he even attended Todd's funeral
and noticed the change in the Batman's personality after then. But then,
I think its almost a given that Gordon knows who Batman is, has known it
for several years. Hmm, now that DC has broken one old taboo by telling Lois
and Lana who Superman is, can Batman's telling Gordon be far behind ? 

Anyway, I feel DC will simply ignore any secret ID problems this will cause for
Bruce, just as they've ignored the other patent absurdities i've mentioned. 

But its about time that Dick married Starfire. Its been over 10 years ...

Abhijit
From: s913391@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Antony Ross Lazarus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:34:52 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

Yo dude! Out of all those Spidermans, Supermans, etc. only a couple of Groos 
stand alone...
Does this mean that:
i) Not very many people read Groo,
ii) There are alot of misdirected people who don't know a good comic when they 
    see one (ie. Groo),
iii) They haven't come to realize that Groo is a legend and stands at least
     beside Superman and Spiderman, etc. if not higher...

Long live Groo (and Ruferto, Chakaal, Drumm, Pal, Sage, Taranto,...)!!!

Why not make a new newsgroup esp. for Groo-heads?! *8)
From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Spider-Man
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:34:49 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr13.203003.4866@wheaton.wheaton.edu> mcrobe@wheaton.edu (Bryan McRoberts) writes:
>	Spider-Man is the most believable of the comicbook heroes; he
>actually has feelings and struggles with himself.  He is very underestimated
>in his power; in the Secret Wars he took on the X-Men single handed!  He
>isn't overly powerful (like many of the new 'heroes' seem to be) and yet
>he's no one to be trifled with.  In my book, spider-man is number one
>(with wolverine coming in second) - I don't know why no one has mentioned
>him before!  He's so overlooked...

Absolutely right!!!  I have posted before that I'm a big Spidey fan.  I'm
glad someone else has posted the same.  I think his personality adds to his
attractiveness as a character.  Not many characters crack jokes during a fight
the way Spidey does!
						Mike Fan
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Filling in the back-story (was over-used lines)
Date: 9 Apr 1992 21:50:49 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine



	Of course, the X-men don't even compare to the DC mini-series
"Legends" where either the Phantom Stranger or Darkseid would recap all
the previous issues once an issue.  By issue 6 I was waiting for
someone to smack them both and say "Get On with it, man!"

	I know it's customary for Darkseid to rant about how his plans
are progressing, but give me a break!   It's not like our memory is so
bad we need to be reminded once an issue that Captain Marvel torched 
'Macro-Man.' 
	(Aside from that, the series wasn't all bad.) 
-- 
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From: maguire@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:17:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.185003.7037@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@sunb9.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
>richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH) writes:
>
>>I heard a PWEI song and they kept repeating over and over
>>"Alan Moore knows the score."
>
>Yeah, Alan Moore had SOMETHING to do with comics; now who is PWEI?
>


PWEI is Pop Will Eat Itself, an alternative disco-techno sort of band.  Its
a hard sound to describe.  If you have an alt radio station or MTV they had
a sort-of hit last year with "X,Y and Z", as usual not one of the better songs
on the album.

"Alan Moore knows the score" is part of the chorus from the song "Can You 
Dig It?" from their 1989(?) album called something like "This is now..this is
this!"  It's the song with all the references to movies and comics and other
bands, and the chorus samples "Can You Dig It?" from Cyrus' speech to the 
assembled gangs in Central Park from the classic film WARRIORS. 

If there's any interest I can post the actual lyrics for those people 
collecting comic-related songs.


Your bands-my-friends-have-never-heard-of guy,
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From: babeard@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Billy Aaron Beard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,news.groups
Subject: Re: Liefield on Miller
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:50:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: uokmax.1992Apr17.195037.24809
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>Anyone catch Liefield on the Dennis Miller Show tonight?
>I think he came off as a real 501 geek. 
>Miller, though had read comics in the past and seemed to have a sence of the BS
>that comprises Liefield.
>on a character in Youngblood(Parafrased)
>DM:"Yeah, this guys got that Norin Radd/Silver Surfer thin going."
>RL:surprised"Really"
>On some rocklike youngblood
>RL:"this guy was sorta based on the THING"
>Right, robbie,  Can you say stolen?
>----SCAVENGER
Actually Bedrock is almost criminally similar to Blok from Legion of Super-
Heroes.....while a total rip off, he seems like the only intresting Youngblood
aside from psi-fire (what a stupid name...although it has plenty of company)
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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 09:12:53 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: adamantium -IT CAN BE BROKEN!!
 <1992Apr15.114723.5074@ac.dal.ca>

Uh, in the issue where Shield started blowing up that Adamantium dome,
that was secondary adamantium (those of you who read my Ultron's Last
Stand post should recognize that).  Secondary adamantium isn't as
prohibitively expensive as true adamantium, and thus can be blown on
hugely expensive building projects such as a full fledged dome.  The real
cost of a true adamantium dome would have been far too much even for
Zola, the Skull and whoever else they were teamed with to acquire within
their forty year careers, let alone for one big shot like that.  Thus,
the dome was destroyed by sub-nuclear explosives.  However, sub-nuclear,
nuclear, and anti-matter explosives should be most effective on Wolvie.
In fact, the anti-matter explosive should be able to take out ANY character,
except maybe Shadowcat (intangiable and thus, not matter), Nightcrawler
(he'd just teleport away from the blast radius), Phoenix (because, because,
because, because!  Because of the wonderful things she does.  Ta da, ta dada
da dah!) and the Vision (he survived an encounter with anti-matter when he
tried to take out Jocasta with his partial solidification trick.  However,
nobody could touch him for ninety seconds or they'd be vaporized by
anti-matter energy.

Doug.

I, the Red Skull have once and for all destroyed all opposition to me.  None
may stand in my way now!  I order you  pitiful fools, kneel before me bearing
gifts!!!
Uh, alright.  Wanna marble?
Ah, poor pathetic youth.  Obviously homeless.  I accept your humble gift,
for I am a >BOOM< (in drunken Daffy Duck voice) kind and benevolent leader,
or my name ain't the charcoal Black Skull.  >Thud<
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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: X-Man Traitor
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.212801.3409@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> you write:
>
>	If it's not Bishop, it won't be an X-Man at all, but either
>someone posing as an X-Man, or a possessed one. Can't have a liked
>character as the traitor now, can we? 
>
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>*  FOR PRESIDENT *   <Be cool or be cast out.> - RUSH   *  FOR PRESIDENT *


Whoever said Bishop was liked?!?  Personally, I think it really
sucks that he is now considered an X-Man.  If Marvel needed a
new member, why not add Nightcrawler or Kitty?  They definitely
need to be back with the X-Men where they belong, not in Europe.
Leave Europe to the European heroes (There _have_ to be more
somewhere).  Anyway, my point is:  Bishop is the worst choice
for an X-Man if I ever saw one.  The X-Men are supposed to be
heroes, and Bishop doesn't strike me as a hero, mainly by the
way he has been acting and his philosophy on the world at large.
And this upcoming relationship with Storm -- Yuck!  Bleck!  Phooey!
I hope Bishop does turn out to be the X-Judas, so he can be dealt
with, and we never have to see him as an X-Man again (and soon).
I still have a hard time believing that Xavier accepted him so
quickly.  I just don't think Xavier would do that, nor do I  
believe he would refuse to mindscan if his teams were in danger.
(I seem to have drifted off the thread, haven't I?)  Well, I 
hope Gambit (one of my favorite X-Men) kicks his ass, and teaches
him a little humility.

--The Rook
  <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

 " 'Be true, Unbeliever.' "
     --Stephen Donaldson, _Lord Foul's Bane_


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From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Organization: Camosun College
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:35:56 GMT

In article <92100.024551SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> When I first saw Powerpax, I beleived her to be the four members merged.
> When she said her name was Frank, I realized I had misses Franklin Richards:
> Powerpax is the Power Kids plus Frank merged into one being.
> 
> (And why not?)
>               R I K

Actually, this maks a twisted :-) sort of sense. Basicly, their powers were 
the essence of (I can't remember hims name). Perhaps when the Pack grew up 
the powers merged again. Maybe Frank's incredibly strong psi powers had 
something to do with it ?


I hope not


Scott.
"You're a JERK... Dent... A complete asshole."