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From: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Question re F.A. Cup 1993
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:07:14 GMT
Reply-To: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK

In article <1992Sep3.173753.254@winkle.bhpese.oz.au>, sbcc_carr@winkle.bhpese.oz.au writes:
>
>	Hi to all....
>
>	New Aussie on the net!
>
>	Just a question about the F.A. Cup for 1993. Is it still to be 
>	played in May (as it has been since I can remember), or has the
>	date been changed to some time in March?
>
>	The question arises because a competition in Aus by 'Coke' (sorry
>	for using the name without authority), has a trip to the F.A Cup
>	in March. If it has changed, why, and if it hasn't......... isn't
>	the winner of the competition gunna be p...ed off.
>
>
>				That's all for now.... bye for now. SCC

The Football Association Cup (the FA Cup) final will be played as usual
in May. The Football League Cup which last seaon was sponsored by
Rumbelows, and previously by Littlewoods, and the Milk marketing board
is now being sponsored by Coke a Cola, hence the 'Coke' cup final
will be the League Cup final, which is usually in March. So if you win the
competition you will be seeing a final at Wembley. I'm sure there will
be some jokes about the winners and dope tests :-)

Cheers - Ian

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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Gresley news
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:34:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Very little really, but I did catch one result - Gresley beat Dudley.
The important thing is not the result but the League - Gresley Rovers
have finally made it to the BHL Midland Division. After last season I
had my suspicions that Gresley's title would again count for nothing in
terms of getting promotion, but now that I've actually seen a result
from the higher league, I think Garry et al can relax - it's actually
happened!

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
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Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
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Subject: RE: QUESTION to all
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:49:03 +0000







In message <9208312128.AA10235@outmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com
(Francis Stanisci) writes:

>I am looking at a book called "The World Cup" by Felipe Bondy.

>Is anyone familiar with this book or it's author.

>He credits the French with the invention of soccer and the
>establishments of it's rules.

The French invented FIFA (they suggested the idea of a World body to the FA
who, in their usual far-sighted manner, told them to go away and not be so silly

as there was no need for such a thing) and the World Cup (dreamed up by
Jules Rimet). The British Associations had been FIFA members until 1928 when
they resigned over "shamateurism" in the Olympics, and so didn't compete in
the World Cup until they rejoined FIFA after the war.

No doubt many civilisations practised the art of kicked spheroids around,
but the first rules were codified in England in 1863 by the FA and the
current laws have evolved from these.

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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Georgian Final Standings
Date: 2 Sep 1992 11:05:56 -0500
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OK, here is the final standings I promised Karel a while back.
It's taken from France Football, so if they made any mistakes, please call
them and not me :-) (I'd gladly dig up their number...)

As expected, Iberia won the championship. I actually watched them in 1989 
(or 1990, don't remember exactly) when they played local D1 team IFK Holmsund 
(who are dead now :-()
BTW, IFK H had a few Georgians playing in the end of the 80's, most well-known,
Ramas Sjengelia and Tengis Sulakvelidze.

Maybe, Pavel can give us some more analysiss of this?

GEORGIAN - FINAL STANDINGS 1992

TEAM                         P    W    D    L    GF-GA     PTS
==============================================================
Iberia Tblisi                38   27    6    5   115-41    87   CHAMPIONS (*)
Tskhoumi Soukhoum            38   24    4   10   96-53     76   CWC CUP (*)
Gorda Roustavi               38   22    9    7   71-38     75   UEFA CUP (*)
Gouria                       38   22    3   13   89-56     69
Kolkheti (**)                38   15   11   12   49-45     56
Odichi                       38   16    6   16   56-56     54
Mziouri                      38   16    5   17   53-65     53
Margveti                     38   14   11   13   60-58     53
Batoumi                      38   15    6   17   55-58     51
Dila Gori                    38   14    8   16   64-64     50
Koutaissi                    38   15    4   19   66-60     49
Samgouali                    38   14    6   18   41-55     48
Mretebi                      38   13    9   16   48-51     48
Samtredia                    38   13    9   16   55-62     48
Kolkheti (**)                38   13    9   16   57-66     48
Chevardeni                   38   14    5   19   56-72     47
Amirani                      38   13    8   17   48-56     47
Alazani                      38   13    8   17   45-70     47
Soulori                      38   13    7   18   53-82     46
Mertskhali                   38    4    6   28   29-98     18

Best scorer:  Khorgalidze (Gouria)     40 goals (!)

*   Should have played in UEFA competitions if not UEFA had decided that
    the security wasn't sufficient in the country.

**  Both teams are named the same, so I can't distinguish between them.

I don't know anything more, about Georgia at the moment.

Kent...
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Free Sex, Free Money, Oh hell just read this
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:13:57 GMT

Andy,

	The name is Josef Zeevi, I post somewhat frequently, am originally 
from Israel and my age is 34. My interest in the game is from the refereeing 
perspective (yes, I also enjoya good match, but primarilly look at it from a 
ref's perspective.)

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Italian Supercup Result
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:11:21 GMT

AC Milan 2      Parma 1

Andy
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Calling Cardiff City fans
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:02:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Aug31.131024.25208@turing.ac.uk> mick@tummel.turing.ac.uk (Mick Buckley) writes:
|Are there any of you out there?
|
|I have a friend (dh05@ns.cc.lehigh.edu (Dave Hawkes)) who's 
|originally from Cardiff.

Well, seeing as I live here, I suppose I sort of count!! (although to an
Owl the Bluebirds aren't quite such an attraction at the moment...!)

|
|He hasn't got net access, but he's desperate for anything
|on the taffs, or whatever their nickname might be.
|

The Taffs?!!! -you try suggesting that on the Bob Bank!

|In particular, how did they fare against Bristol City (I think)
|in some sort of Cup competition about a week ago?
|

They got stuffed! (5-1........5-2 on aggregate)

|As you can tell, I'm no hotshot on English football, but

Or geography.........I don't think they'd be too impressed to hear you
sa they play "English" footbal down here either!

|please make Dave's day by mailing him.
|He'd also be very pleased to receive regular Cardiff City info
|if there's any way to get that.

I'll pass the message on to someone who could be interested in emailing
him......(an ardent fan, but not too keen on email I think)....other
than that I could take an interest myself I suppose (seeing as I live
here as I said...........)

Up the Owls........and reluctanly the Bluebirds.......

gordon
From: jhiggott@axion.bt.co.uk (Jeff Higgott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Tuesday's English Premier League results
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:12:17 GMT
Reply-To: JHiggott@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs


In article <1992Sep2.073716.11447@iti.gov.sg>, harin@iti.gov.sg
(Harinderpal Singh) writes:
|> Ipswich now have the longest unbeaten run of the season (6 games) but
|> can't |>see them going too far :-( if they only manage draws (5 out
|> of the 6 games so |>far!).

But they aren't doing bad considering they have already taken points off Man U,
Spurs, Liverpool, Villa... with a team with only one addition (Gerain Williams)
since last season, and an entire professional squad costing less than Dean 
Saunders' left leg.  Good luck to them I say, and well done to the management 
on sticking with the players who did so well in gaining promotion last season.

Jeff...
 
  "I bought some batteries but they weren't included" 
           -Steven Wright
From: mazzarel@hilbert.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Date: 31 Aug 1992 05:24:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug30.114252.23880@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>Ariel Mazzarelli writes:
>
>>>And in this matter, the proportions are 14/4 = 3.5,
>>>so South American teams *don't* fare better than their European
>>>conterparts.
>>
>>A physicist????  Ok,  let's take it slow here.  Start: Europe 14 teams,
>>SA 4 teams,  ratio 3.5.  By semifinal time (aggregate over many WC's)
>>Europe 39,  SA 16,  ratio 2.96.  See? 
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Hey, Mr. Mathematician!  Is it the South American version
>of mathematics?????  :-)
>
>I think you misunderstood. The 14/4 which I mentioned was the
>number of *different* European and South American teams which
>ever reached the top 4.  I guess you can see now that your reply
>fits here nohow. Anyway, comparing a number which is an aggregate
>over all history, to a number just extracted from WC'90 does not
>make sense to me.  You should make up your mind whether you
>want to discuss history, or the present.
>
>By the way, yes I am a physicist. But you are *certainly* not.

Ok, actually 39/16 = 2.44.  Once again, this is lower than 14/4--the ratio
of entrants from Europe and South America.  You are a little dense on some
of these other things,  and I don't know whether to repeat my words verbatim
or not.  Let's try this: your notion,  Michal that different representatives
= Europe deserves more slots is just plain useless.  As I mentioned before,
it is unfair to force a team to make it through Brazil and Uruguay without
taking into account the strength of those teams.

And 2.44 < 2.96,  so the point I was making (that the number is low) is 
actually strengthened by your correction.  Isn't it nice to have an excuse
to use a calculator?

As to discussing history vs. the present,  I'll allow that your understanding
of the english language isn't good enough to understand the connection between
the two words.

You're right about me not being a physicist--but the ones I have hung out with 
around here are a little smarter than you...

Ariel
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From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: Roy Wegerle
Keywords: Roy Wegerle
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:21:14 GMT


Can some kind soul update me as to Roy Wegerle's status/performance/
play thus far this season?
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: John Harkes + Shef Wed News
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:12:01 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <3661.9209031742@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>
>Meanwhile, the season is hardly progressing smoothly for Sheffield
>Wednesday, despite a promising start. The last two matches have seen two
>defeats, David Hirst injured (out for 4-5 weeks :-( :-( ), Carlton
>Palmer mysteriously not playing against Arsenal, Phil King seemingly
>injured and Nigel Jemson proving himself to still be pretty crap. The
>biggest worry here is Hirst's injury - due to an awful tackle by Steve
>Bould of Arsenal. In fact most of the Arsenal defence tried to kick
>chunks out of him apparently - nice lot these North Londoners......:-).

Oi! It's only half on North London that are a bunch of thugs, and they're
really migrants from some grotty place south of the river! The nicer north
London side boasts defenders of proven class with exemplary disciplinary
records, such as Pat Van den Hauwe and Neil Ruddock! :-)

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: EC123 TIPPING - UPDATE
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:21:51 GMT


Well folks, there has been an overwhelming response to my "Last Call" article
which I posted little more than 24 hours ago. The number of entrants in the
competition has gone well over the prescribed "limit" of 50. I therefore
retract my statement that 50 will be a limit. The other deadline (Tuesday
September 1, at 12.00 pm Sydney time) still stands however.

So, if you want to join, there's still time !! Those already in the comp
with numbers > 50 can thank me for my leniency ... :-)

Seriously though, #'s 50 and 51 were half an hour apart, it would have been
unfair to include 1 and not the other ... so just forget the "50" part. I'll
take all I can get as long as it arrives by Tuesday ...

Tim Hatfield
Competition Administrator
 
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From: nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Switzerland NLB results, round 8
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:21:58 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Switzerland , round 8 (qualification), August 25/26



NLB, East
Kriens               1-3 Winterthur
Bellinzona           2-2 Emmenbruecke
Chur                 0-4 Baden
Luzern               1-1 Locarno
Schaffhausen         1-1 Wil
Wettingen            3-1 Bruettisellen


Table
 1.Locarno          8   5  3  0  15-5  13
 2.Schaffhausen     8   5  2  1  18-7  12
 3.Luzern           8   4  3  1  13-4  11
 4.Winterthur       8   3  4  1  12-7  10
 5.Kriens           8   4  2  2  15-11 10
 6.Wil              8   2  5  1  12-7   9
__________________________________________
 7.Baden            8   2  4  2  10-11  8
 8.Chur             8   3  1  4  10-17  7
 9.Emmenbruecke     8   1  3  4   9-16  5
10.Bellinzona       8   0  4  4  15-20  4
11.Bruettisellen    8   1  2  5  11-23  4
12.Wettingen        8   1  1  6   3-11  3



NLB, West
Buempliz             1-3 Delemont
Old Boys Basel       1-3 Etoile Carouge
La Chaux-de-Fonds    0-1 Chenois
Fribourg             2-2 Chatel-St-Denis
Grenchen             1-2 Yverdon
Urania Geneve        3-5 Basel


Table
 1.Yverdon          8   6  2  0  19-6  14
 2.Basel            8   5  2  1  22-6  12
 3.Chenois          8   5  2  1  16-10 12
 4.Delemont         8   5  1  2  17-11 11
 5.Etoile Carouge   8   5  0  3  16-7  10
 6.Grenchen         8   4  1  3  10-11  9
__________________________________________
 7.Urania Geneve    8   3  1  4  12-17  7
 8.Old Boys Basel   8   2  2  4  10-15  6
 9.Fribourg         8   1  3  4  10-17  5
10.Chatel-St-Denis  8   0  4  4   9-16  4
11.Buempliz         8   1  2  5   9-19  4
12.La Chaux-de-Fonds8   0  2  6   4-19  2



Christoph Nieswand
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From: shulman@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: e: Arsenal Football Club
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:43:33 GMT

In article <16858C632.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
> To all your arguments, I have only one thing to say:
>  
> Arsenal should run into the sea off the white cliffs of Dover like the
> lemmings they are.
>  
> VIVA WITS FOOTBALL CLUB

You wot? you wot? you wot, you wot, you wot?     -@\

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From: mgv@cs.scarolina.edu (Marco Valtorta)
Subject: Re: Italian League: Complete 1992-93 Serie A Fixtures
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  3 Sep 92 14:19:05 GMT

To complete Marco Petroni's informative posting,
here are the starting times of Italian Serie A matches, all Italian time 
(Central European Time or Central European Daylight Saving Time, as 
applicable).  Note that CET is UTC+1, or EST+6.  Currently, Italy is on 
daylight saving time.

September 6, 1992 (week 1) through September 20, 1992 (week 3): 16:00
September 27, 1992 (week 4) through October 18, 1992 (week 6): 15:00
October 25, 1992 (week 7) through February 7, 1993 (week 19): 14:30
February 14, 1993 (week 20) through March 21, 1993 (week 24): 15:00
March 28, 1993 (week 25) through May 23, 1993 (week 32): 16:00
May 30, 1993 (week 33) through June 6, 1993 (week 34): 16:30

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From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: Request for Solomon Islands/Australia Result 
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:50:28 GMT

Can any of our far eastern hemisphere readers give us a report on the Solomon 
Islands v Australia result? Here in the soccer starved country of Canada it is
extremely difficult to get quick reports of any matches outside Europe (and 
even those have to be obtained from the BBC shortwave broadcasts).

As an aside -- with the ban on Yugoslavia being upheld for the 1994 World Cup
qualifying matches, will the suprising Icelanders finally get to the finals?
(they always seem to play well against Hungary and CIS so they may have a 
legitimate chance!)

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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Public Apology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:54:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

Michael Szleper:
(Sorry if that's spelled wrong, I don't have the spelling in front
of me.)  Please forgive my personal attacks in the thread about
European and South American football teams.  Although we disagree,
there was no excuse for me to be uncivil to someone that had done
me no wrong.  Such statements were uncalled for and inappropriate
in any forum. As my comments were public, so should be any apology.
I am truly sorry.

===================================================================
Bob Moynihan                         Bush/Quayle '92: Just say noe.
moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Go Ipswich Town!
From: amudn@warwick.ac.uk (Paul Stowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Coventry greetings
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:13:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Refereces: <9208260748.aa19625@ingate.microsoft.COM> <1992Aug27.202058.12604@ncar.ucar.edu>

In the 2nd half, having made their 2 substitutions, had to take Michael Gynn 
off with an injury and so played the last 20 minutes with only 10 men. Do the 
new sub regulations prevent them from bringing on their reserve goalie as an
outfield player in situatoins like these??

OK, I'll be back soon,

Paul Stowe - Hull City for Division 2 title!!
=============================================================================
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From: nay@maths.nott.ac.uk (Nigel A Yateman)
Subject: Ipswich's win
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:22:50 GMT

I know Ipswich have drawn with Villa, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, and Boro - but
who was there one and only victory against?
I think it was their second match of the season, and it was away from home.
Thanks in advance.

Nigel
From: pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ???
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff) writes:
: In <1992Aug19.011121.17716@CS.ORST.EDU> visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:
: 
: 
: >For ex, in 1982 South America had 4 hard spots: Brasil, Argentina, Chile 
: >and Peru, and some European team was defeated by New Zealand who attended
: >the Cup.
: 
: The group with New Zealand in 1982 consisted Brasil, USSR, Scotland and
: New Zealand. New Zealand did not qualify for the second round. USSR
: has beaten them 3-0, so the only possibility for what you're saying
: is true is that New Zealand has beaten Scotland, which I doubt.
: Somebody to clear it, please ?
: 
: >	Bye,
: 
: >	Marcello.
: 
: >-- 
: >+------------------------------------------------------------------+
: >| Marcello Visconti                 visconm@cs.orst.edu            |
: >| Computer Science Department       Oregon State University        | 
: >+------------------------------------------------------------------+
: 
: Cheers,
: 
: Michael.
 The answer is simply 'no'. Can't remember the score though. Scotland
didn't advance because they lost to Brazil and USSR.
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