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From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: RAINBOW RECORDS
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (TONY ROSE)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>I've never sent my music out to anyone, aside from sending it to the
>Copyright office to make it "official," so imagine my surprise when I
>opened my mail today to find this nice-looking letter from "Rainbow
>Records," located on "Hollywood & Vine" in California, asking me, "Do
>you write songs?" and going on to say, "Rainbow Records is looking for
>new songs.  We would like to look at your material."  It assures me that
>"your material is safe and will not be used without your consent" and
>promises my records will be sent "to radio stations and record stores
>and you will be paid a ROYALTY for each record sold" [their emphasis].
>
>So ... anyone ELSE gotten anything like this?  I was pretty amused, and
>(quite honestly) a little intrigued.  Are these guys reputable?  I've
>never heard of them.
>
>Just curious ...

The Library Of Congress must send a mailing list to these crooks.  I don't
know why, they must be getting a pretty good penny for it.  These guys
will accept ANY song you send them and then send you a bill for $300 to
$400 for the recording and other gizmo work they dream up.  In the end
they send you an album with other songs they have swindled people out of
and tell you they are pushing it.  You will never hear anything after
that.  So basically you are paying for the single recording copy, which is
of low quality and with which you have no say-so over.  You would do much
better going to a studion yourself.  These companies and others like them
are what are better know as "song sharks". They will STEAL your song if
it is good enough to impress them.

Don't be intrigued by them.  They are professional crooks!

You may get other letters in the mail with the same type offer. They are
all the same.

Good luck,
-tony
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Subject: Re: Whatsitcalled?
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:44:35 GMT


In article <1992Aug6.232700.453@glv.uucp>, zack@thunder (Zack) writes:

|>What is the correct term to use when describing a device that can split the  
|>ranges of an audio signal (typically a song) and single them out? They are used  
|>at radio stations to make remixes and rap artists for sampling. 

You mean like a crossover (to split a signal into seperate outputs based
on the frequency range)?  Or maybe an Equalizer could be used for this.

Greg
From: mark@yvax.byu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:10:22 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1992Aug12.204457.19141@leland.Stanford.EDU>, termite@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Paik) writes:
> First of all, I don't intend this as a flame to anyone and I don't mean
> to accuse anyone of anything but,
> 
> How many people out there who have said that digital pianos sound bad
> compared to real pianos listened to them through a decent source
> (eg high quality studio monitors and not the little built in speakers
> and not even a good home stereo or a keyboard amp)?
> 
> Many of my piano playing friends of made similar complaints but only compare
> them listening through the built in speakers or a so-so keyboard amp.
> Seems to me this is kinda like playing a '57 Les Paul through a Peavey
> practice amp and saying that the guitar doesn't sound good.
> 
> Just wondering,
> Dave

	I think a more accurate comparison would be to play a real guitar next
to a sampled one.  No matter how good/many the samples, it will not compare to
a real guitar, no matter what kind of system you play through.  The same is
true for pianos.  I'm not saying that digital pianos sound *bad*, (I've heard
quite a few that sound great), they just can't do all that a real one can.
	One reason for this is the fact that, strings especially, create
greatly differing harmonic waveforms with even the slightest difference in
playing technique.  To try to re-create all the possiblities digitally is very
difficult if not impossible at this point in time - although they are getting
better all the time...

Take care,

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Subject: Re: Portable DAT units as master decks (new Philips PCM)
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:41:53 GMT


A friend of mine has a Casio portable DAT and loves it.  He says the 
quality is similar to his Panasonic SV3700 and the price was low (around
$700).  He's had it for a couple of years and has experienced no problems
with it.

greg
From: kjs@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Kevin J. Shuholm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:51:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvgspd.1995
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <1992Aug17.184842.23129@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>Richard Wallingford writes:
>
>	This brings up a question in my mind. My parents have
>	a very nice piano (or at least it was very nice at one time)
>	which is now in need of some serious work. About how much
>	would it cost to have new ivory put on the keys, and
>	have the whole thing restrung/tuned?
>
>	Would it be worth it, or would it be better to buy a new one?
>
>
>	Do piano services come to your house, or do you have to 
>	move the things out and in again?
>
I'm not exactley sure what you mean by serious, but I'll try to share
some of my limited knowledge on the situation.  I'm not sure you can
even get ivory tops for keys anymore, and I believe most are now made
from some sort of plastic.  As far as restringing,  it probably doesn't
need it (but you didn't state how old it is).  The bass strings might as
they tend to go dead first since they collect lots of dirt and junk in
their windings.  To replace those may cost $200-$300 and that price
should include 2 or 3 tunings - New piano strings (like guitar or any
other strings) need to be stretched.  A tuning may cost around $60 or
even more depending how bad it is.  

Having the work done on the piano would probably be worth it, as you are
not talking about rebuilding it, which could cost $3k-$4k.  

The type of service you are talking about could be done at your house.

I reccomend that you find a tuner/technician who is a member of the
Piano Technicians Guild and talk to him.  Most are real good at giving
you options and letting you know what needs to be done.  

One more reccomendation is that you install a Damp-Chaser humidity
control system.  They are around $150 installed.  The Damp-Chaser
controls the humidity inside of the piano, which is very important as
you don't want the sound board to dry out.  Also, rapid changes in
humidity can throw a piano out of tune in an instant, and this will help
prevent that.  

If you have any questions, please feel free to email me!  I think the
piano is one of the greatest instruments ever invented!(IMHO) :-)

Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: HELP!!!
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:17:00 GMT

My friend is having a problem with his keyboard setup:

Yamaha KX88 keyboard controller

Kurzweil PS 1000 Tone Generator (Sampled)

Yamaha TX7 Tone Generator (FM Digital)

Alesis Quadraverb Multi-Effect Processor


During a gig (never at home or at the shop, of course) the keyboard will change
from whatever it's supposed to sound like to something else.  eg piano to 
tympani.

Needless to say, this is most disconcerting.

The TX7 shows 'MIDI ERROR' when this happens.

A.  Can anybody diagnose this from previous experience?

B.  Can anybody recommend a good repair shop for such equipment in Chicagoland.
    He used to go to MBS (?) who were "crooks, but competent", but it closed.

Please e-mail as I don't usually read rec.music.makers due to its volume. :-(

Thanks in advance for any help.

-- 
"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Whatsitcalled?
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:19:21 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

>>In article <1992Aug6.232700.453@glv.uucp>, zack@thunder (Zack) writes:
>>|>What is the correct term to use when describing a device that can split
>>|>the ranges of an audio signal (typically a song) and single them out? 
>>|>They are used at radio stations to make remixes and rap artists for s
>>|>sampling. 

I believe that the poster is looking for the "Vocal Zapper" machine.
If that's the case:

LT Sound
404-482-4724

-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: guitar conference
Organization: Logic Modeling Inc of Beaverton Oregon
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.164245.27522@gdstech.grumman.com> soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.1505.9508@execnet> "david villano" <david.villano@execnet.com> writes:
>>Please excuse my ignorance.  Im wondering if there is strictly a guitar
>>conference.
>
>PLEASE POST REPLIES!!
>

	alt.guitar, alt.guitar.tab, alt.guitar.bass; you're looking
	for one (or more) of these.

	- Larry Huntley
-- 
         (larryh@lmc.com)         | You played golf; you watched football;
     Logic Modeling Corporation   |   you drank beer -- we EVOLVED!
          Beaverton,  OR          |         - Rhonda,  "Thing-Fish"
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From: jamesf@btr.btr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,ba.music
Subject: Voice lessons wanted
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:47:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

Hi all... I'm looking to take some voice lessons. Does anyone know of a good
but not overly expensive teacher in the Palo Alto area? I'll travel a bit
for a good teacher, so don't limit suggestions to P.A. 

Thanks,
Jim

ps- I'm a beginner, if it matters.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: wb@tornado.kodak.com (wb@tornado.kodak.com)
Subject: FOR SALE: Excellent Graphic Equalizers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (Telstar), Rochester, N.Y. 14653
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:57:21 GMT

Hello,

I have some A.R.T. audio signal processor equipment for sale in pristine
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(2)HD-31: 31-band (1/3 octave) graphic EQ. Balanced 1/4" and XLR connectors.
	  Super quiet! There are TWO of these available.

(1)HD:15: 15-band (2/3 octave) Stereo Graphic EQ. Balanced 1/4" connectors.
	  Same design as the 1/3 octave.

All units in immaculate shape. All original packing material.
Never left the studio! 

$250 each...


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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: RE: `The Annotated "American Pie"'
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Aug19.175243.26444
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5

Has Don McLean seen this commentary on his song?  I remember some interview
with him where he claimed he was falling-down drunk when he wrote the song
and didn't even know what half of it was about.  

This reminds me of a project I did with another guy in speech class in 
high school.  We had to do an audio/visual presentation.  As we were giving
the presentation, we could see it was coming off poorly and we were doomed.
But then someone in the class offered an interpretation of what they thought
it meant, the whole class said "Yeh, yeh!", we looked at each other and then
accepted the interpretation and got an "A".  

It makes me wonder if McLean wrote the song without fully realizing what
he was writing.

-- 
 Bill Wilhelmi    
 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
 bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:40:40 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Aug13.184746.29711@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com writes:
>In summary:
>
>   Reasons to get a Digital Piano (keyboard, synthesizer, whatever):
>
>     1. You need an instrument that stays in tune no matter where you
>	go.
>
>     2. You have been unable to rely on a decent-sounding piano to be
>	available wherever you practice or perform.
>
>     3. You can't afford a good acoustic piano.
>
>     4. You like the other sounds you can play on a keyboard.
>
>     5. The keyboard has a reasonably good-sounding piano setting.
>
>     6. You need a portable instrument.
>
>     7. You can also afford to get a sound system and mixer.
>	(Some electric/digital pianos come with built-in speakers.)
>
>Did I miss anything?  Anyone care to add to the lists?

      8. You need to record and can't even begin to get a real piano
	 to sound good on tape.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Digital Audio Tape Multi-trackers
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I believe you have your information backwards, it's Tascam's new digital
multitrack that is based on 8mm tape.  The Alesis ADAT is based on SVHS.

Greg
From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Digital Audio Tape Multi-trackers
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:39:27 GMT



concerning the ADAT: You'll have a hard time getting it, and only at 
list ($4k). Some early units had mechanical reliability problems with
the head. Apart of that, I'd like to have one ...

Cheers, Henrik
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 00:26:39 EDT
From: <32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: JOB

Im gonna be moving to Florida next summer and am gonna
be looking for a job.  I have tons of experience in
the music industry so any suggestions would be highly
appreciated.(Clubs, music stores, light or sound comp.,etc.)

                        Thanks....
From: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Seeking Metal-Bodied Guitar Info
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:33:46 GMT
Reply-To: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

A couple of us here in the basement machine shop are interested
in the notion of making something as close as possible to a
National metal-bodied guitar.  We have made several assorted
wood instruments between us, and have access to tools for a broad 
range of metalwork methods.

I had one of the things apart once, and my memory tells me that
the only item which looked unlikely was the cone, which was
stamped into a pattern of ridges.  The cones are for sale for
some outrageous price, but we would be satisfied if that and the
tuning machines were the only ready-made parts.  Or we could
probably practice and spin an acceptable subsitute.

I can't say we're any great hands at sheet metal work, but I
assume the difficult stuff like edge-beading could be done by
a pro.

My questions:

Where can we get descriptive material of any sort?

What are some sources (other than Elderly) for the cones?

Can anyone supply construction details for what is not obvious
from the outside, e.g. blocking and bracing under the fingerboard,
neck attachment method, top-to-side joint style?

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Bob Brozman, who (rumor has it)
is preparing a book about the subject?

How about somebody in the S.F. Bay Area who has a lot of Nationals
and loves to let you look at them?

I am hoping to visit someone I know who owns a National.  Our specs
will have to come from my measurements and pictures.  The only
other one I know about here is in a sort of museum where you can't
touch anything.

thanks in advance ...

John Morton					University of California
jmorton@euler.berkeley.edu			Mechanical Engineering
{decvax,cbosgd}!ucbvax!euler!jmorton		Machine Shop
From: Jonathan Egre' <jonathan@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:18:30 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi) writes:

> In summary:
> 
> Reasons to get a Digital Piano (keyboard, synthesizer, whatever):
> 
> 1. You need an instrument that stays in tune no matter where you go.
> 2. You have been unable to rely on a decent-sounding piano to be
>  	    available wherever you practice or perform.
> 3. You can't afford a good acoustic piano.
> 4. You like the other sounds you can play on a keyboard.
> 5. The keyboard has a reasonably good-sounding piano setting.
> 6. You need a portable instrument.
> 7. You can also afford to get a sound system and mixer.
> 	    (Some electric/digital pianos come with built-in speakers.)
>   
> Reasons to get an acoustic piano:
> 
> 1. The type of music you perform demands the "real thing".
> 2. A decent, tuned piano is available wherever you expect to
> 	    perform.  You don't really need a portable instrument.
> 3. Your ears demand the "real thing".
> 4. You have the money to get a good piano.
> 5. If you play keyboards at all, you should have a good acoustic piano.
> 
> Did I miss anything?  Anyone care to add to the lists?

I'd like to add two "reasons to get a digital piano":

8.  They have volume controls and the option of using headphones.  This 
    means that even if you live in an apartment building with cardboard
    walls you can still play "Great Balls Of Fire" at 3 am if you want to.

9.  You can get a digital keyboard which will occupy less space than *any*
    acoustic piano.  This is mainly useful for people who live in small
    apartments or single rooms (students perhaps?).

    (This related to point 6 but it's not exactly the same.)

My "summary of the summary":

    Acoustic pianos sound better, and they respond to the player's 
    technique better.  However, they have a number of drawbacks which
    are "solved" by electronic instruments; whether or not these 
    drawbacks are important depends on the player's situation.

Jonathan.

--
Jonathan Egre' = jonathan@mantis.co.uk = jonathan_e@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: META000 <META@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: JACK PLUGS
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:12:08 GMT

In article <24938@castle.ed.ac.uk> eomc40@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Allan) writes:
>
>Has anyone experienced any problems with incompatible jack plugs and
>sockets ?
>
>I use a Whirlwind Leader cable as my main cable but I have been finding
>problems using it with my Fender Strat.  It seems to move about a lot in
>the socket which results in a very dirty contact.  I then tried using
>this cable on my cheap strat copy and there was no problem at all.  I
>came to the conclusion that the jack socket on my Fender was dodgy so I
>took it to my local music store where the repair man could not find any
>fault.
>
>Having brought my Fender home  I tried using my cheaper Klotz lead,
>which gave a very good fit and contact.  I examined the jack sockets on
>both guitars and noticed that the socket on my strat copy was further
>recessed than on my Fender.  I also noticed that on the base of the jack
>plug of the Whirlwind there is a sort of ridge which prevents it from
>being inserted as far as the Klotz jack.
>
>
>This problem has just started even though I have been using all these
>pieces of equipment for well over 6 months.  I find it very strange that
>thee are incompatabilities with certain jack sockets and plugs.  Maybe I
>just got sold a dodgy Whirlwind ?  I am a bit annoyed by this because
>the Whirlwind cable is guarenteed for 10 years and cost the equivalent
>of 30 US dollars and is my main cable.
>
>
>Has anybody else experienced similar problems ?  Do you think my cable
>could be dodgy ?  I am considering buying a new Whirlwind but taking in
>my guitar to try it out !!!
>
>Please post or email replies,
>
>thanks in advance for any comments recieved,
>
>Malcolm Allan
>University of Edinburgh
>Scotland.
>.
>.
loose fits between jacks and plugs can be improved by tinning the tip
contact on the jack with some solder.  you have to push the plug harder
to fit it in, but the contact is absolutely solid.

i, too, have experienced difficulties with plugs whose shafts were of
incompatible length, relative to the jacks they were supposed to go
into.  this is true not only of i/4" plugs, but the little 1/8" ones as
well.  one solution is to file down the bushing on the jack so you can
push the plug in far enough to "catch".  a better solution is to simply
get another jack installed in the guitar that matches the dimensions of
the plug.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: Hotel California solo: who's playing?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:52:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1987@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM> kjs@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Kevin J. Shuholm) writes:
>In article <tomc.713014985@rlxdev> tomc@modcomp.uucp (Tom Cianflone) writes:
>>on the solo at the end of the Eagles' Hotel California? I
>>always thought it must be two guitarists trading licks, and I
>>definitely recognize some of Joe Walsh's tounge in cheek guitar licks
>>--
>>Regards, Tom Cianflone
>><uunet!modcomp!tomc> -or- <modcomp!tomc@uunet.uu.net>
>
>
>
>On the studio version, one person may have played both parts, but on
>their live album it would have been impossible.  The harmony parts sound
>like two guitars to me, but I don't know h who played them.
>
>Kevin

I'm not positive about this, but I think Jay Graydon did dome of the solo
work.