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From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Dr. Martin Katahn's theory
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Organization: /home/jeff/.organization

On 1 Sep 92 16:12:54 GMT, RVEF80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Martin Abresch) said:
M> Nntp-Posting-Host: waccvm.corp.mot.com

M> Another "guru" of fat -vs- carbohydrate calories is Covert Baily
M> (author of "Fit or Fat") who you may see lecturing on PBS.
M> I have personally tried these methods.  You don't have to gobble
M> thousands of excess carbohydrate calories.  All you have to do is
M> graduallly shift the basis of your diet away from fat and toward
M> carbohydrates.  It also helps to get a fair amount of AREOBIC
M> exercise (basically, anything you can do for a long time without
M> becomming exhausted).

What if you do an excercise that leaves you exhausted at the end?
Say, for example, a 1/2 hour to 1 hour _hard_ bike.  Is something like
that doing more harm than good?  

I have seen the Covert Baily things.  I have also noticed that the
latest government stuff is more along the lines of what he is saying.
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From: rbradbur@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Bradbury)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Useful Caloric Content of Foods
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:58:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep3.015846.20147
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <37knr+b.noring@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>I'd like to know how the USEFUL caloric content of foods is determined in
>contrast to the usually measured total caloric content.
  + more stuff speculating that food caloric content may include
    non-digestable calories (fiber, etc).

I'm not sure whether food caloric contents included the cellulose/lignin
parts but since much of the food we eat is very low in these substances
I'm not sure that it makes much difference.  One should be fairly
aware of foods which have high fiber contents and may therefore
be "less caloric" than advertised.  Additional consideration might
also be given to the fact that high fiber foods speed travel through
the intestines and may reduce total caloric absorption while high
fat foods slow travel through the intestines and may increase
total caloric absorption.  I'm not sure how efficient the absorption
of nutrients is and the degree to which it is altered by travel time.

You might also want to consider whether you want "potentially useful
calories", i.e. those calories which your body could use if it could
process them directly into energy, or the "actually useful calories"
which will depend on whether you use the sugars/fatty acids right
away or whether you store them as fat and then retreive them later as
this will involve some losses.  I suspect this is an argument for
not eating before you exercise if you are interested in losing
weight.  You should use more calories if you force your body to
retreive them from fat stores than if you get them from your meals.
Of course you probably also generate more hydrogen peroxide from
the B-oxidation of fatty acids which could result in increased
DNA damage and faster aging so this may not be such a good idea.

Robert Bradbury		uunet!sftwks!bradbury or rbradbur@u.washington.edu
From: stenslan@plains.NoDak.edu (David Stensland)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Chromium Picolinate vs. Chromium Chloride
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:59:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20122
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

OK, call me stupid but is there any nutritional difference between the
two?  I've also seen muscle magazines tout the benefits of chromium
picolinate as a muscle strength wonder pill.  I'm very skeptical. 

I'm looking at a bottle of Centrum (You know... "From A to Zinc") and it
states that it supplies your body with chromium in the form of chromium
chloride.  So, the question is:  Is it the Chrome or the Picolinate part
that is important?  Think about it... it's not *that* dumb of a question,
is it?  Maybe just taking your standard high potentcy
multivitamin-multimineral suplements would offer the same results that
chromium picolinate alone does... maybe more.

I'm not a nutritionist, and have absolutely no knowledge of this topic. 
I'm throwing this into the fire for what it's worth.  I love controversy. :)


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From: noelie@apollo.hp.com (Noelie Alito)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re:  Good basic book on nutrition
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:27:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

Alan> I'm looking for a good basic non-fringe book on nutrition, comprehensible
Alan> to a random like me, and up-to-date and accurate.  Also practical (i.e.
Alan> describes how matters of nutrition affect a proper diet, not just
Alan> "this substance can have these effects").  Suggestions?

    Try Jane Brody's _Nutrition Book_  (_Good Nutrition Book_?),
    which should be available in any mainstream bookstore and is
    IMO an excellent book for the layman.  Flip through one:  It
    sounds just like what you are looking for.
    
    Jane Brody is the author of the bestelling _Good Food Book_,
    and had a food column in the _New York Times_.  She has also 
    published more hard-core reference books on nutrition research
    (my sister lugged one home while studying to be a Registered
    Dietician).  She comes across as a food weenie that has done
    her homework.  

    Her books are thick but very readable (standalone chapters,
    well-cross-referenced) and her general philosophy is tempered
    by common sense.  The _Nutrition Book_ covers fat, caffeine,
    salt, cholesterol, childhood nutrition, osteoporosis, digestion
    in omnivores vs. carnivores (feel free to give your egg yolks
    to your dog or cats), pregnancy, et al.  There is vitamin/mineral
    table that gives 1) dietary sources, 2) known metabolic function,
    3) deficiency disease and 4) megadose effects (if any).  She
    throws in sample recipes here and there.

    This book is not the be-all, end-all.  It does not address
    exercise (check out Covert Bailey's _Fit or Fat_ books), nor
    does it aim at making you live forever.

    I would appreciate hearing from anyone WHO HAS READ THIS BOOK
    who can suggest one that has better/comparable coverage of this
    subject.

    Hope this helps.

    Noelie Alito     noelie@apollo.hp.com
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: popetz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Clinton C. Popetz)
Subject: hypoglycemia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:29:11 GMT

Well I posted on rec.food.cooking a while back, and the responses were limited,
probably because my post wasn't flame oriented or about cast iron :)

My fiance is hypoglycemic.  Every doctor/nutrition expert/random person
seems to have a different idea as to exactly how to help this condition, and
the end result is a lot of contradictory information regarding diets to help.

If ANYONE has information, or can recommend a place to get information about  
this I would be eternally grateful.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:41:51 GMT

In article <willdye.715404504@helios> willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye) writes:
 
>I probably have hypoglycemia.  It runs in the family, and I have some of the 
>symptoms (headaches & weakness if I go even a few hours between meals, etc). 
>But I LOVE soda.  To keep the headaches away, I usually have a Coke in my 
>hand, drinking it slowly during the day.  Caffeine may play a role, but it 
>really seems to be the sugar.  I can sometimes subsitute beef jerky or nuts,
>but soda is easier to obtain.  I'm 32 now, a bit overweight, and I've been 
>doing this for over fifteen years.  The more I read about hypoglycemia, 
>though, the more I wonder if I should cut out the Coke.
 
>I recently decided to set up a proper diet & exercise program.  I'm 
>interested in the Caloric-Restriction method of lifespan extension, but 
>I wonder if a possibly-hypoglycemic soda addict can make the transition 
>to a fruits-and-veggies CR diet.  For that matter, hypoglycemia literature 
>says go for the protein, but CR diets say avoid protein.  Any comments 
>or suggestions would be welcome.  I'm already cutting back on my worst 
>junk-foods, and slowly moving towards a planned diet.  So far my plan is 
>to just cut back on the junk food & soda, then eat the same stuff, only 
>less of it.

If you can't kick the soda habit, you might try Snapple or Best Health sodas;
I assume they're less harmful than what you're drinking.  Of course, finding
some kind of juice you like would probably be better still.  I'm not familiar
with the CR method of lifespan extension, but it sounds strange to me that
it would allow no protein.  You might comment more on that.  Anyhow, I think
that you're moving in the right direction.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Chromium Picolinate vs. Chromium Chloride
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 04:55:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <TIMSC.92Sep3102617@aspen.cfsat.Honeywell.COM> timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com writes:
>
>Chromium Picolinate is "supposed" to improve the bodys buring of fat,
>through reacting with insulin.  It's been awhile since I've read the
>book the "Chromium Diet" check it out for more details.  
>
>I think it has been criticized that chromium supplements are not
>needed, that you can get the same effect bye eating chromium rich
>foods.  

                        



Which foods are rich in  Chromium????

Please tell us !

rf 




>
>Interesting reading nonetheless
>
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dcborean@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (David Borean)
Subject: Re: weight gain
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:53:08 GMT

In article <Btz2zL.BBv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v059kzrj@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Seth Reichelson) writes:
>
>    does anybody know of a healthy way of gaining weight
>
>                                              Seth


Yeah.. Try going to a Gym and working out.. Worked for me, plus you don't have
any problems with excess fat or anything.
Plus you feel better ; physically and mentally..


Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: goletz@netcom.com (Eddie Goletz)
Subject: Does vegetarian get enough nutrition from food?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 02:51:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In sci.med.nutrition  vlee@vis.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee) write:
 
>Hi,
 
>Some friends of mine are pure vegetarian, they don't eat meat, don't
>eat eggs, nor do they try dairy food. Only vegetables.
 
>I doubt whether they will benefit from this diet or not.
 
>What will happen if they keep doing this for their wjole life?
 
>Can anybody give me some idea about this? because I am also interested
>in vegetarian food.
 
>Thanx, :)
 
This question is more appropriate rec.food.veg, a  newsgroup about
vegetarianism.  However, in short, a vegetarian  diet (vegan, as you described)
is typically very healthy.  As long as your friends are watching their
vitamin B12 intake (the only nutrient rare in vegetables) they should
be OK, maybe even better than before they became vegetarians.
 
Eddie Goletz
a vegetarian that does not eat eggs or dairy
goletz@netcom.com

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: M21444@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:40:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.191743.4680@spss.com>
helen@spss.com (Helen Smith) writes:
 
>
>In article <17upsgINNehk@agate.berkeley.edu> jaffray@zippy.sonoma.edu writes:
>>I'm looking for a good basic non-fringe book on nutrition, comprehensible
>>to a random like me, and up-to-date and accurate.  Also practical (i.e.
>>describes how matters of nutrition affect a proper diet, not just
>>"this substance can have these effects").  Suggestions?
>>
>>-- Alan
>
>EATERS CHOICE by Dr. Ron & Nancy Goor.  It's about 3-4 yrs. old...was originally  written as a response to high cholesterol problems.  However, I
have
>found
>it to be so useful, especially as far as controlling fat in the diet.  There
>are also recipes.  The only people I would not recommend this book to are those
>who have to limit their salt.  The book does not deal with that, and indeed,
>some of the recipes are a bit on the salty side.
 
 
I bought Eater's Choice a few years ago and liked it.  However, I found
it dealt mainly with saturated fat, not overall fat consumption.  The
Goors have put out another Eater's Choice book recently, has anyone read
it?  Is it an updated version of the first book, or does it contain
completely different, yet complementary info?  I did flip through it
and noticed that a lot of the recipes looked the same.
 
I don't know if I'd consider it a comprehensive nutrition book, in
any case, but then again I haven't read it in a while.  I would
recommend it for anyone who's interested in reducing their fat intake.
 
Chris
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Dr. Martin Katahn's theory
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:59:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, RVEF80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Martin Abresch) says:

>Another "guru" of fat -vs- carbohydrate calories is Covert Baily
>(author of "Fit or Fat") who you may see lecturing on PBS.
>I have personally tried these methods.  You don't have to gobble
>thousands of excess carbohydrate calories.  All you have to do is
>graduallly shift the basis of your diet away from fat and toward
>carbohydrates.  It also helps to get a fair amount of AREOBIC
>exercise (basically, anything you can do for a long time without
>becomming exhausted).
>

	I'm afraid you misunderstood my question.  What I meant to ask
is this: are excess carbohydrates nonfattening, as Dr. Katahn says when
he claims that even overconsuming thousands of carb calories wouldn't
cause a substantial gain in body fat?

-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: weight gain
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:31:21 GMT

In article <Btz2zL.BBv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v059kzrj@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Seth Reichelson) writes:
>
>    does anybody know of a healthy way of gaining weight
>

How about some kind of nutritious powdwered protein/carb drink after meals.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Useful Caloric Content of Foods
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 00:02:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I'd like to know how the USEFUL caloric content of foods is determined in
contrast to the usually measured total caloric content.  I use the phrase
'useful calories' to mean the caloric content of the organic substances in
the food that the human body can metabolize.  For example, cellulose (and
related substances such as hemicellulose and lignin) are present in many of
our fruit, grains and vegetables, yet they do not contribute any useful
calories because they cannot be metabolized - they essentially pass through
us.  I ask this since I remember hearing (not sure where) that the caloric
content of foods is measured using a bomb calorimeter, and this method will
measure the total calories for all the organic substances present in the
food, including those the human body cannot digest and metabolize.

Anyway, inquiring minds want to know.

Jon

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)
Subject: high-protein diet for anemia?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: sci
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:41:37 GMT


Is a high-protein diet recommended for anemia?  For example, if
someone has iron-deficiency anemia (e.g. low hemoglobin count), do
they need to increase their intake of protein as well as iron?



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From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Seeking funding for important study on nutritive therapy and cocaine.
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:06:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

A important study on use of the amino acid tyrosine to help long-term
cocaine addicts needs support and funding.Are there any medical professionals
or interested people with advice to offer on how to get this quite promising
study rolling.(particularly advice on where grant money might be
available)Most of the other obstacles have been overcome,funding is
now the major issue.This is a double-blind study using several grams of
tyrosine daily to treat recovering cocaine addicts.

Please,no frivolous responses,Im looking for serious advice from people in
the medical profession with knowledge in addiction research.

Thank you.
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From: ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Annette C. Hollmann)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:58:33 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

PLEASE EXCUSE THE LARGE PRINT OF MY PREVIOUS POST. I AM VISUALLY IMPAIRED
AND THIS MAC IS NOT ADAPTED FOR LARGE PRINT. THEREFORE I HAVE TO WRITE THIS
WAY SO I CAN SEE WHAT I AM DOING. MY OWN COMPUTER HAS CLOSEVIEW, BUT FOR
SOME REASON I CAN'T POST NEWS/SEND MAIL VIA MODEM. FROM NOW ON I WILL STIC
A 'SCUSE ME TAG ON MY POSTS SO PEOPLE WILL REALIZE WHAT IS GOING ON.

SERIOUSLY: DON'T YOU FIND THIS SIZE EASIER TO READ? (I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT
"NORMAL" VISION IS LIKE)

ANNETTE

P.S.

PLEASE EXCUSE THE LARGE PRINT
MY COMPUTER WRITES TOO SMALL ;-)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:10:28 GMT

[reposted from misc.fitness]
I ran across an article on chromium supplements last night.  

Am J Clinical Nutrition, 54:909 (1991)  Anderson

They selected 19 subjects already on low Cr diets (estimated bottom 25%
of USA).  Based on a standard glucose challenge test, 7 subjects were
deemed hyperglycemic.  (Criterion - glucose levels between 5.6 and 11)

After a period of Cr supplements, the responses
to a glucose challenge test were measured again.  The hyperglycemic
patients showed significant normalization of glucose, insulin and
glucagon responses, compared to before supplementation.  The other 12
subjects showed no changes.

The authors conclude that a certain subset will benefit from Cr
supplements.

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Does vegetarian get enough nutrition from food?
Keywords: vegetarian
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:44:12 GMT

vlee@vis.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee) writes:

>Some friends of mine are pure vegetarian, they don't eat meat, don't
>eat eggs, nor do they try dairy food. Only vegetables.

	The correct term, I'm told, for this diet is "vegan," as
vegetarians may still eat eggs and dairy products.

>I doubt whether they will benefit from this diet or not.
>What will happen if they keep doing this for their wjole life?  

	Virtually everything your body needs can be had from vegetables.
Furthermore, there have been various studies showing lowered incidents of
heart disease, cancers, and practically everything else with a vegan diet.

	On the other hand, it takes a lot more work on your part.  When
you eat a balanced diet, including eggs, dairy, and meat, you can be
nearly certain of getting everything you need.  A vegan diet, on the
other hand, may be low in critical vitamins and minerals unless you do
some research and vary what you consume based on what it contains.  It's
a lot more difficult to do correctly, but there's no reason to assume a
health risk providing you are careful in planning and research.

	The newsgroup talk.politics.animals is full of vegans who
would be quite happy to answer specific questions by e-mail.

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jojo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joanne Spetz)
Subject: Re: high-protein diet for anemia?
Summary: You almost can't help it
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: sci
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:56:46 GMT

In article <SDL.92Sep3124137@rigel.linus.mitre.org> sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk) writes:

>Is a high-protein diet recommended for anemia?  For example, if
>someone has iron-deficiency anemia (e.g. low hemoglobin count), do
>they need to increase their intake of protein as well as iron?

>Steven Litvintchouk

Unless you are a vegetarian, you almost can't help but have a high-
protein diet in your attempt to obtain more iron.  The largest
sources of iron tend to be meats...also good protein sources.

If you're worried about loading your body with the cholesterol and
fat of meats, you might want to try my iron-supplement-methods
(I'm only deferred for blood donations a fourth of the time now):

1.  Eat raisins and prunes (I have prunes, but eat raisins)
2.  Eat spinach, but I've been told that something in the spinach
	reduces your body's absorption of iron
3.  Don't overload on iron supplements (constipation), but do take
	some multivitamin a day (with iron)

Good luck

Jo
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