From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: xians here
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:53:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul25.031251.21552@panix.com> rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.040021.13124@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>
>
>>	Well, since discussion seems to have gotten around to whether or not
>>to allow xians here, I must cast a vote for YES.  My reasons are as follows:
>>	1) Breaks up the usual "My Satanism is better than yours, naah naah
>>naah" debates.
>>	2) We don't want to stoop to their level and censor dissenting views.
>>	3) They make us look good.
>
>>	Remember, this newsgroup is frequented by non-Satanists.  Our own
>>resident christian soldier, evan marshall, has done more to make Satanism look
>>good than I ever could.  I find that the xians that do frequent here help us
>>to reinforce our points against christianity.
>>	They are predominantly closed-minded, bigoted individuals.  While they
>>may or may not be representative of the norm, they go a long way towards making
>>the Satanist arguments valid.
>
>>					Raymond H. Rich
>>					"And I saw a path to Hell,
>>					 Even from the gates of heaven..."
>
>
>Well, I've already stated my case here, but I'll just say that
>I see no purpose in exhaustively arguing with xtians. Who are
>you hoping to convince Ray? If our arguments are valid they are
>so without any assault from xtians like Evan. If our ideas don't
>stand on their own independantly (I know mine do) then what the hell good
>are they? 
>
	Well, I'm not trying to convince anyone.  It was Mr. Marshall who
said "do not forsake my teaching".  My point was that it is far easier for
a non-Satanist to understand why we think the way we do when we can say
"Point 1, Example 1:  Go ahead Evan, speak."  Certainly our arguments are
valid, tho they do not always appear so to non-Satanists.  No ideas stand
independently.  Everyone's beliefs are based on what is learned, thru
books, experience, teachers, and other methods.  If you had grown up in
Saudi Arabia, it would be less likely you would be either a Satanist or
a xian.  The ideas of Satanism and xianity are intrinsically linked, tho
not necessarily dependent on each other.

>You are of course free to waste your time with them, but I won't
>do it, having spent long hours doing just that for too long.
>A little encouragement goes a LONG way with these oafs, 
>and if we continue to be baited into pointless discussion
>of THEIR philosophy, not OURS, then this newsgroup will become
>merely a xtian playground. Perhaps it's time I started that mailing
>list?
>
	Well, I still haven't grown bored with philosophical argument.  As 
to the pointlessness of discussion, I cannot profess to know everything about
xianity.  Thus, I always learn something from these debates.  If you want
a discussion about your philosophy, start it.  Evan is the only one who has
boldly pronounced his beliefs and stood up for them, intelligent or otherwise.
	What's your "mailing list" ?

						Raymond H. Rich

>--Reuben
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