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From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian women in U.S.
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:21:37 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug14.003555.165@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi) writes:
>In article <Bsxwy5.KE5@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>>
>>Us Iranian Men don't simply deserve Iranian women. They are very
>>intelligent and very sensetive and caring. They have always been taking
>>care of us men and our children and we never thanked them except showing 
>>that we are men and showing our muscles and beating them. So we simply
>>don't deserve them. I am not saying other foriegn people deserve them but
>>we gotta start appreciating more ...
>>
>>Ramin
>>
>
>Ramin,
>
>What is all this guilt tripping? There are good
>Iranians and bad Iranians, both men and women. There is nothing to be gained
>by these gross and ridiculous generalizations. No Iranian man who I am
>personally associated with beats his wife. In fact, I would go so far
>as to say that most of the Iranian men that I have known over the years have
>been sensitive and intelligent, a far cry from the wife beating macho sterotype
>you are peddling. 
>
>Sure we need people to have much more understanding and respect for each other.
>But you won't get that by calling them names, and beating them all, good and
>bad, sensitive and crass, with the same stick.
>
>Mash Bagher


I agree.Some of you guys make all Iranian men look like monsters. This thing
about wife beating is a lot of crap. It was so sad to see that some of
the recent articles suggested that domestic violence is part of the
Iranian way of life. I guess we are beginning to believe the image
that the Western media has portrayed of Iranians. You want to see
domestic violence, take a trip to America's heart land, or better
still go to the inner part of the major cities, NYC etc..; there
you'll realize the true meaning of that expression. 

So guys please, ha? Being humble is one thing, but portraying one's
self as a total jackass is over doing it, don't you think?

Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi)
Subject: Re: Iranian women in U.S.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:35:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <Bsxwy5.KE5@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>
>Us Iranian Men don't simply deserve Iranian women. They are very
>intelligent and very sensetive and caring. They have always been taking
>care of us men and our children and we never thanked them except showing 
>that we are men and showing our muscles and beating them. So we simply
>don't deserve them. I am not saying other foriegn people deserve them but
>we gotta start appreciating more ...
>
>Ramin
>

Ramin,

What is all this guilt tripping? There are good
Iranians and bad Iranians, both men and women. There is nothing to be gained
by these gross and ridiculous generalizations. No Iranian man who I am
personally associated with beats his wife. In fact, I would go so far
as to say that most of the Iranian men that I have known over the years have
been sensitive and intelligent, a far cry from the wife beating macho sterotype
you are peddling. 

Sure we need people to have much more understanding and respect for each other.
But you won't get that by calling them names, and beating them all, good and
bad, sensitive and crass, with the same stick.

Mash Bagher
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iran to pay oil firms for expropriation losses
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:17:42 GMT
	<1992Aug21.143809.11037@ncsu.edu>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug21.143809.11037@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

 %Is it just a coincidence or does the fact that Iran is to pay both
 %companies the exact same amount of money (to within 5 significant
 %figures of accuracy :-)) sound just a little suspicious? How is it that
 %both companies suffered the same amount of losses? Was this a joint
 %contract with both companies?

This was done so that neither company would feel envious towards the other one. 8-)
       
The article did not specify the reason. It could have been a joint contract.
          
  - Farzin
               
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Request
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.141439.4655@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>Speaking of Siavosh ShahjariAn and "Por Kon Pialera..." I believe the poetry
>from that music is from Hafez, in fact the announcer specifically says so--
                         ^^^^^
>"Golhayeh tawzeh, nomreyeh haftdod o haft... Por kon pialera," etc. etc.,
>let's see, "...honarmandan..." ah yes, here it is,... (my mental indexer is 
>running slowly today... "...qazal az Hafez..."
>

Peter khaan, this poem is by fereydoon moshiri. And I am going
to write here as much of it as I remember:

por kon peeyaaleh raa
keen aabe aatasheen
deereest, rah beh haaleh kharaabam nemeebarad
een jaamhaa ke dar peye hamm meeshavad tohee
daryaaye aatash ast keh reezam beh kaame khod
gerdaab meerobaayad-o aabam nemeebarad

haan, ey oghaab-e eshgh
az o'je ghole haaye meh-aalood-e door dast
parvaaz kon, beh dasht-e gham angeez-e eshgh-e man
aanjaa bebar maraa keh sharaabam nemeebarad
aan bee-setaare-am keh oghaabam nemeebarad
.
.
.
deegar sharaab ham joz taa kenaar-e
bestare khaabam nemeebarad

I'll leave the translation part to someone else, since it takes
too long.

Behzad
From: KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu (Kayvon Z. Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: for Brad
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:29:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: auvm.92226.172908KSADEGH
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

I couldn't mail this to you directly, I had some problems with your email
address. So, here it comes:

Dear Brad

Not that I don't see your point of view, but having lived in many different
countries, I have come to see that all the cultures have their own pros and
cons. And I think, the best culture for a person would be a mixture of all of
them, another words, one shouldtry to pick up the good points of each culture
and leave the negative ones.
But, as far as the religous is concered, I am totally against it. So, I am
not gonna argue about that.

have a nice evening
k1
From: dagahi@bhaskara.ucsd.edu (Daryush Agahi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: The second law.....
Keywords: none
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:45:30 GMT
Reply-To: dagahi@bhaskara.ucsd.edu (Daryush Agahi)
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department

Babak Sehari writes:

>There are many question about relativity that needs to be answered.  Some part
>of theory has not been accepted at all.  For example, "spooky action at a
>distance" of quantum mechanics predict that you could send information and
>even mass with a speed more than speed of light, even though the probability
>is very small.  As a mater of fact, the quantum mechanics predict you could
>send a object across the galaxies at an instant.  The wave function, of an
>particle does not go to zero anywhere in the universe, so all the particles 
>have a presence, even though small, all over the world.
>
>"Spooky action at a distance" is currently under research in UC Br.,
>for invention of devices that could communicate faster than speed of light.

Your statement is incorrect. In fact, relativity is one of the most
rigorously tested areas of physics, and there is not a single credible
experiment that deviates from or violates relativity. Relativity
(special and general) and quantum mechanics are two of the most
successful theories of modern physics, and there is no contradiction
between them (see Feynman for relativistic quantum mechanics treatment). 


You should not render opinion on areas that you know little about,
unless of course you are joking, but if you are not joking and you would
like to LEARN more on this subject, I'd be happy to provide you with
some references (at a level suitable for your background !). 




Regards,

Daryush
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bhushan@fmiapd.com (Bhushan Kerur)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:48:37 GMT

TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: latifi@jb.ee.unlv.edu (Shahram Latifi)
Subject: An Iranian Conference for Electrical Engineers
Reply-To: latifi@jb.ee.unlv.edu (Shahram Latifi)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:44:14 GMT

 I would like to encourage all the Iranian colleagues to participate in the
following conference to be held next year in Tehran.  Certain arrangements
can be made by Amirkabir University for the travel of those with "Moafi"
problem.

Regards,
Shahram Latifi
=============================================================================
                       FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS

           International Conference for Electrical Engineering

                            ICEE'93
                          May 18-21 93

      The goal of this conference is to provide a forum to discuss new
  and emerging trends and topics in electrical engineering.


 Topics:
     The 1993 Iranian conference on Electrical Engineering (ICEE'93) will
 be held at Amirkabir University of Technology, Tehran, Iran.  It will
 include sessions on the following fields:

                 Electronics          Power
                 Control              Communications
                 Biomedical Eng.      Computer


  Submission Guidelines:
       Authors are invited to submit 3 copies of extended summaries of
  approximately 500 words in either Persian or English to one of the
  following addresses:

     ICEE'93                            ICEE'93
     Dr. Masoud Shafiee               Prof. Mohammad Jamshidi
     Electrical Eng. Dept.            CAD Laboratory
     Amirkabir Univ. of Tech.         Dept. EECE/UNM
     Tehran 15914, Iran               Albuquerque
     Fax: 0098-21-6406469             NM 87131
                                      U.S.A.
                                      Fax:(505)291-0013

       The summary should include: title, authors' name(s), affiliations,
   addresses and telephone, telex, or facsimile numbers.  Upon the
   acceptance , the authors should submit a final version, camera ready
   copy (8 1/2" x 11") of their paper (10 pages maximum).

   Registration:
        All participants are required to pay a registration fee of $300.  The
   fee will cover the proceedings, lunches, refreshments and tour of Tehran.

   Deadlines:
                     Submission of Extended Summary   Nov. 23, 1992
                     Notification of Acceptance       Jan. 4 , 1993
                     Submission of Full papers        Feb. 22, 1993

   For general information contact:
   ICEE Organizing Committee- Elec. Eng. Dept.
   Amirkabir University of Technology
   Tehran 15914, Iran, Fax: 0098-21-6406469
======================================================================


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: daijavd@watson.ibm.com (S.Daijavad;366003)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:51:52 GMT
Reply-To: daijavd@yktfc13.watson.ibm.com (S.Daijavad;366003)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Test.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Mosalman shodane Buchanan
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:59:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.155213.8827@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:

>My appologoies to Ali for mistaking you and him. Actually there
>is not that much difference. You have forgotten the "l" in 
>Khalkhali. You may mean Kharkhaki (for you who have become so pricky).
>About the use of "va" check your grammer book for common mistakes. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>You have many of them.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>                                    Kambiz
> 


But common mistakes are acceptable from ordinary people like me, not from an
"ostAde gerAnghadre AlimaghAme lAfe gazAf gooy" like you. If you really are
unmatched, it means that nobody is better than you. Then how are we supposed
to improve our knowledge of Farsi? If our "sokhanvare fasih va baligh" makes
common mistakes, then bAyad fAteheye zabAne sahih va asile pArsi rA khAnd.
AghA kAmbiz!
Have another look at your style of writing above! You are no better than
"baghAle sare kooche!"

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:18:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.194030.22691@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>I didn't say anything against all of the Shia scholars. I have problems with 
>the ones who say that Salman Rushdie should be assassinated.

Not being picky about the word "assassination" above (executed is a better
word), then you have problem with virtually all of Shi'a scholars, and a
vast majority of Sunni scholars.

Seyyed.
From: peyman@luther.che.wisc.edu (Peyman Pakdel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Some interesting news about the US presidential election.
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:29:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

Ratings for `Roseanne' top GOP convention.

LOS ANGELES (AP)- A Tuesday rerun of ABC's ``Roseanne'' captured more
viewers than the combined audience for all the three networks'
Republican National Convention coverage.
  About 14.2 million homes were tuned to ``Roseanne'' on the second
day of the GOP gathering in Houston, according to figures released
Wednesday by Nielsen Media Research. About 12.6 million homes
watched the networks' convention coverage.
  Tuesday's ratings were roughly the same as the second day of the
Democratic convention in July.

*********************************************************************

Bush Campaign Worker Fired Over Slur. (Washington Post)

HOUSTON- The Bush campaign fired one of its advance men, Bobby Carr, who
was accused by a black Detroit newsman of referring to him with a racial
slur last month, said campaign spokesman Torie Clarke on Wednesday.
  Carr was on the White House press advance staff when incident occurred
July 27 in Detroit.
  White House officials said Robert H. Giles, editor and publisher of
the Detroit News, complained in a letter to the Secret Service that
Carr had referred to reporter Kenneth Cole with a racial slur after the
two had a quarrel during a Bush visit.

*********************************************************************

``He has to tell us where he wants to go, we will get him there.
  He just has to tell us where.''--Wisconsin GOP Chairman Dave Optiz,
  looking ahead to President Bush's acceptance speech on Thursday.

Dueling headlines: President Bush makes a stinging attack on the
Democrats. The next day's Houston Post: ``Bush takes of the gloves.''
The Arizona Republic: ``GOP puts on the gloves.''

``Look at that-cantaloupe and watermelon at a barbecue. That's yuppie
food.''--Bill Graham, North Carolina Banking Commission, at a cook off
between North Carolina and Texas barbecue.

Call forwarding: The phone number for Pat Buchanon in Houston ends
with the digits 1996.

********************************************************************

Source: Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times, August 20.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu (Jay M Khodadadi)
Subject: Re: Siavosh
Reply-To: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:51:20 GMT


Your best bet is the owner of the Music Box store in Los Angeles.  I know that he has a number of recordings which are not available on the market, but will provide you with a copy if needed.

call (310) 473-3466, ask for A. Chamanarra
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:57:51 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:


>By the way, if personal attacks and harassments in SCP is the major reason
>you do not post there, here is not a good place for you either, because
>with the arrogant attitude that you have (an anti-Islamic attitude), soon
>or late you will get one of those attacks.


>Seyyed.

We should understand that this forum is a public forum which is being paid
for by educational institution or the company we are associatred with.
Anybody can post here. Just because the name of this group is 
soc.culture.iranian does not mean that only iranians can post here.

In the time honoured tradition of IRI Mr. Seyyed claims ownership to SCI
and trie to exclude those with whom he disagrees. I am just curious,
if Sayyed has the same attitude about the many Americans or Europeans
who also post here.

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone)
Subject: Re: iran third ?
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:58:25 GMT

I believe the team ranking uses standings from first to sixth place
and not just how many medals.

--Mehregan
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 23:17:08 GMT
Organization: sci

In article <BtC1Fy.HLr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>Are you still in 91 Hooshyar?
>Wake up, it is now 92.
>Now tell us the truth, was it Nov. 90 or Nov. 91?

volek, you are a great 'moch-gir.'  You see my calendar is based on World Cup
and Olympics.  So I obviously let my sports unconscious mind take over.  I see
years as 80, 84, 88, 92 for the Olympics, and 86, 90, 94 for the World Cup.

How about that for 'gorbe-ye mortezA ali?'

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055

PS.  BTW, you wanted the truth:  I meant to say Oct-Nov 91.  Sorry!
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Some News
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:53:42 GMT
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

This news are from Keyhane London. I have simply used my 
memory to reproduce them and are repeating them for your 
information. The correctness or the incorrectness of this
information is not my responsibility. In the last Issue
of Keyhane london there was also an article about buying
the Moafi.  


There are some news that in the last weeks, there have been
extended repression in many cities as a counterattack by
Khamenei against those who have tried to remove the Valie
Faghih system (Refsanjani is said to stand back these efforts).
After the removal of Karobi from Bonyade Mostazafin and 
trying to remove Basiji's as a force factor (According
to Farzin Basijis should give back their Cards), Khamenei
in a Speech asked for a participation of Basijis in 
"Nahi Az Monkar" and "Amre Be MaAroof". Basijis have then been
beating up women in the streets and even by Kayhane london
accounts some women have been killed. The Friday prayer Emam
of Ghom has threatened to come to Tehran with other Basijis
to clean up. There have already been reports that they have 
been comming to  Tehran in Buses to take part in upholding 
the Hejab. It is maybe a try to give the fourth Majlis, which
is thought to be proRafsanjani a scare before it starts its
sessions. Already under the press, the minister of vezarate 
Ershads has changed and the new minister has asked all of
the women to leave the ministry. The next goal is Radio and
Television which is managed by  Rafsanjani's brother.
This has made the TV programs more boring lately in order to
not  giving Hezbollahis any excuse. Khamenei and some other
religious leaders have talked about the cultural invasion of
the enemy from the back door.
There has been discussions by Shoraye Negahban that the
leader can not resolve this shora if his own leadership
is under question! Meaning that Khameni's position may have
been discussed. Rajayee Khorasani has also come under
attack for preaching a more pragmatist relation to the west.


Last News: Ayatollah Khoyi has died.

                            Kambiz

 
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From: nisus@netcom.com (Nisus Tech. Bruce Mori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:22:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



>I just red this discussion about Baghdad.  It makes sense that Baghdad has
>a Persian root and comes from Bagh-Dad meaning garden of justice. That is:
>
>Bagh = Garden
>Dad  = Justice


Yes, Baghdad is an Iranian name, but it has nothing to do with
Garden. it basically means the city of Bagh's which were some
religious orders in Iran long time ago. Baku also has the same
meaning! For a detail etymology and linguistic analysis of these
words see: nAm-e ShahrhA va deeh-hA-ye Iran --Ahmad Kasravi
and
Azari ya zabAne Bastane AzarbAijan.


In the old times, the REAL moslems did not like such a name for Baghdad
and refered to it as Dar-Al-Eslam.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: When Was Your First Time?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:23:13 GMT
Organization: sci

And here comes the classic question I have always wanted to ask the netters
at sci.  When was the first time you subscribed to soc.culture.iranian
newsgroup, and how did you learn about it?  Ok, that was two questions. :-)

Anyone with a good story re this just to start a tread that _everyone_ could
participate?  I hope even the silent majority will respond to this question.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055


PS. Oh, yes, my first time was around October or November of last year (90).
I picked it up by pure luck when I was randomly browsing through thousands of 
newsgroups.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi)
Subject: Farsi For Kids - De Anza Class
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:08:42 GMT


Hi,
  For anyone who's interested, there is a class at De Anza College called
"Farsi For Kids" through the De Anza Short Courses. It's geared towards
reading, writing and speaking Farsi using a children's book.  The next
quarter starts up again in October sometime. I took the class last quarter,
along with about 6 other kids, ages 6-12 (yes, I probably looked out of
place, but that's ok...)  Everyone uses the same book, but each student
is at an individual pace, with the teacher more or less tutoring each
student in the class as he/she needs it.  The class was $60, and was for
1 1/2 hours every Friday night. The woman teaching the class also tutors
privately. The children in the class are doing really well - I think it
is worth it. 
                     Carla Moussavi