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From: atems@hal.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Sony vs. Mitsubishi monitors: follow-up
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:45:52 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Wayne State Univ.

In article <1992Aug25.031118.24184@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes:
>
>A while back we received a Stereo View Option only to find that the
>SONY 16 inch monitor that came with our Indigo XS24 wasn't "stereo
>ready", i.e., it didn't support double (120 Hz) scanning. Is the
>Mitsubishi replacement for the Sony "stereo ready"?
>-- 

According to the manual that came with the Mitusbishi, supported scanning
frequencies are 30-64 kHz horizontal, 50-130 Hz vertical. Supported resolutions
include 1280 X 492 (stereo) in addition to the standard 1024 X 768 and
1280 X 1024. I assume this means that it is "stereo ready", but that particular
phrase isn't used as far as I can tell. Hope this helps.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale Atems
Wayne State University, Department of Physics and Astronomy
From: ciemo@bananapc.csd.sgi.com (Dave Ciemiewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Console image for xwsh under 4Dwm
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:49:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.1992Aug25.164955.25922
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Customer Support Division

In article <1992Aug25.131512.10518@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>, chc@orion.ksc.nasa.gov (Charles Curley) writes:
|> Where does the image that 4Dwm uses for its terminal icon live?  I don't
|> use 4Dwm but would like to use it (if not in some unusable format).
|> 

Look in /usr/lib/images.  If you are talking about the xwsh icon, try:

	ipaste /usr/lib/images/Xwsh.icon

The format is sgi rgb image format.  See the command istat(6).

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From: totsuka@av.crl.sony.co.jp (Takashi Totsuka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: gcc2.2.2 on Iris Crimson (HELP!)
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:54:58 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: SONY Corporation, JAPAN


	Is there anyone who has successfully installed GCC(G++)2.2.2 and
	libg++2.2.2 on IRIS Crimson ?

	I am having a strange problem with one of the test program
	(tComplex.cc).  The sqrt() method of Complex class returns
	different value each time it is called with the same constant
	arguments...  Specifying -mcpu=r4000 didn't help.

	I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance.
--

Takashi Totsuka      totsuka@av.crl.sony.co.jp
		     SONY Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: ciemo@bananapc.csd.sgi.com (Dave Ciemiewicz)
Subject: Re: Problem with "chdir"
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Customer Support Division
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.161656.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas25@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|> C-------------------------------cut here------------------------
|>       PROGRAM CHANGEDIR
|> 
|> C  To test the fortran subroutine chdir
|>       I = 999
|>       write (*,*) I
|>       I = chdir ('notthere')    !  This directory is not there
|>       write (*,*) I             !  Should return -1
|>       call system ('pwd')       !  No change in directory
|>       I = chdir ('..')          !  Go to parent directory 
|>       write (*,*) I             !  Should return 0
|>       call system ('pwd')       !  Should now be parent directory
|>       stop
|>       end
|> C-------------------------------cut here------------------------
|> 

The problem with above program is that you have not declared the chdir
function as one which returns INTEGER*4.  Using Fortran's intrinsic
typing rules, it f77 will assume that chdir is REAL, not INTEGER*4 thus
you get bogus answers.  If you change the code to:

	PROGRAM CHANGEDIR

	EXTERNAL CHDIR
	INTEGER*4 CHDIR

	...

	I = chdir('notthere')

the example will work correctly:

bananapc 1807$ chdir
	  999
	   -1
/disk2/tmp/hypot
	    0
/disk2/tmp

No bug in the compiler under 4.0.x.  In fact, it was a bug in the old versions
of the compiler if it ever worked without specifying INTEGER*4 CHDIR.

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From: laplante@ocgy.ubc.ca (Denis Laplante)
Subject: updating bad block list on SCSI disk using fx
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:14:01 GMT


I tried to use the fx command 'auto' to reformat a disk suspected of having
bad blocks.  The man page says
     auto Initializes a	new disk. The disk is formatted, a label is created
	  and written to it, and it is exercised to detect and map out bad
	  blocks.
Fx then printed 213 cryptic 2-line errors, all the same except for a block
number near the block in error, in the form:
  fx/auto/complete: warning - data mismatch
  fx/auto/complete: Error 0 -- Couldn't find bad block on track starting with \
	block 283590 after 2 tries
then
  writing label info to dksc(0,2,)
  ----- done-----

However , when I later did  'fx/badblock/showbb' it displayed the
same list of 57 defects as before formatting and testing with 'auto' .
I've ignored these messages, and now have my root partition and user files
installed with no apparent problem, but have 4 questions:

1- How likely are those 213 ignored bad blocks to come back and haunt me?
   Will these blocks just invisibly suffer from automatically recovered
   errors?  
2- Is there a way to log recovered SCSI disk errors, as a warning of trouble
3- What did I do wrong for the bad block list to not be updated?
4- Is there a way to declare new bad blocks without losing data, and without
   I would guess that on an unmounted partition the following might do it:
     badblock/addbb
     debug/writebuf (the same block address now accesses a new disk sector)

--	Denis Laplante <laplante@ocgy.ubc.ca>
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Keymap problem with 4.0.5
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:03:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <2917@contex.contex.com> frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) writes:
| I have used the keyboards(1) command in conjuction with our software.
| Works ok generally.  There is one problem I see though.  Say you
| cannot figure out how to log into graphics console Z. If, on machine 
| X, you want to remotely run keyboards(1), and do "rsh Z keyboards", 
| the only message you get is "Segmentation Fault(core dumped)".  
| Not the most useful of error messages, but it does get the point across.
| 
| Perhaps this could be fixed in the NextMajorRelease?

There are already bugs open on it.  Your trailers aren't cute
by the way, and clutter up your postings.  I suggest you omit them.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: pj@sam.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Ssanf gobbles source string ??
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:04:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Sep3.153419.26116@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, hshamans@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>   I'm wondering if the sscanf should *ever* modify the string from which
>   it is scanning. 
>
>   sscanf(test1,"%s %i",test2,&i);
> 
> Before 2dfft 0
> After 2dfft 

yep - a bug.  The %i format of sscanf looks for "0x" and "0"
prefixes, for hex and octal.  In some cases, it uses ungetc
to put back a character, if it sees "0" not followed by "x".
The put back writes directly into the supposed input buffer.

I have posted your report as an internal bug on sscanf,
to be fixed sometime, though probably not at high priority.

Thanks.
From: avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: X programs in C++, why do they need -DFUNCPROTO ?
Summary: #define NeedFunctionProtoypes 1  *does not* work on SGI machines!
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:52:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.073425.12442@cv.ruu.nl>, rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon) writes:
> In <2921@contex.contex.com> avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde) writes:
> 
> |"I had to provide a -DFUNCPROTO option to the C++ compiler (2.11 and 3.10)
> |"to compile a X program.
......
> In short, if you want to be sure that Prototypes are used, then define
> NeedFunctionPrototypes to '1'. This should work on all systems, while
> FUNCPROTO might not (other systems use XTFUNCPROTO, for example).

But this will not work on SGI machines.
The /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h file contains this code:

#ifdef FUNCPROTO
#undef NeedFunctionPrototypes
#define NeedFunctionPrototypes 1
#ifdef sgi
#undef NeedWidePrototypes
#define NeedWidePrototypes 0
#endif /* sgi */
#else
#undef NeedFunctionPrototypes
#define NeedFunctionPrototypes 0    /* (avinash) THIS IS THE PROBLEM! */
#undef NeedWidePrototypes
#define NeedWidePrototypes 0
#endif

So, even if you define NeedFunctionPrototypes to be 1, if FUNCPROTO
is *not defined*, this code will force-set NeedFunctionPrototypes to 0...
Thus, no prototypes are available....
Is this a X-problem or SGI problem .... who knows ....

> Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.
-- 
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From: fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Problems with FrameMaker 3.1
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:31:24 GMT


"David M. Senseman" <senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu> writes:
|
|We are running FrameMaker 3.1 on 3 Indigos XS24's under IRIX 4.0.5.
|(Probably 4.0.5A but I could be wrong). We have a floating license
|for 4 machines.
|
|Problem #1: The ability of each of the four machines to get a license
|            seems to vary from day-to-day for no apparent reason. 
|            Even if you log into the machine that is the license server,
|            you may (or may NOT) have to try 3 or 4 times to get a
|            license. This problem is NOT due to the available licenses
|            being used up as far as I can tell. On other machines the
|            problem is even worse. For better or worse I didn't do
|            anything special about how could or couldn't get a
|            license.
|
|Problem #2: This is a very SEVERE problem, but I only encountered it
|            today for the first time so I don't know how common
|            it is. I was editing a document that was originally 
|            prepared under MS Word for Windows, imported into FrameMaker 3.0
|            for Windows and then 'ftp'd' to an Indigo for final editing
|            under FrameMaker 3.1. Twice when I moved the mouse to the
|            upper left part of the FrameMaker window, in order to save
|            my work, the WHOLE SCREEN WENT BESERK! The entire screen
|            turned a light grey with various repeating patterns in
|            quasi horizontal strips! This happened twice in a row. 
|
|            The first time only FrameMaker crashed. The second time 
|            the machine froze. I could rlogin into the frozen machine 
|            from another Indigo but the login only got as far as announcing 
|            the unread news before also freezing up. After rebooting the 
|            machine I was able to save my work.
|
|Questions:	Has anyone else using FrameMaker 3.1 experienced either of
|            these problems? Do I need to reinstall the software?
|            Are these problems at all related to the infamous lockd bug?
|            I would appreciate any input before I start a game of
|            telephone tag with the Hotline folks. Thanks.
|            
|

Yes, Problem #1 is chronic for us as well, and we have a 
call open to try and fix it.  The call is over three weeks
old.  In our case, it may be due to the changes in the
clock every time we reboot but we are still not sure. We have
had 3 or 4 license resets.

We have also had problems importing *some* frame 2.0 documents,
but most have been ok.  Circular objects have been the worst.

---
Fred Phelan
fred@poly2.nist.gov
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From: karron@karron.med.nyu.edu (Dan Karron (karron@nyu.edu))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Zip shrink-wrap
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:07:24 GMT


No, not shrink-wrap software, but an option to wrap the
window around the bounding box of the code.

I keep a mix of small zip windows around containing header files
with narrow, small colums of text. It would be neat if I could
get zip to wrap its self around these little files and not fill up
the screen with blankness!

Cheers!

Dan.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: sjm@mermaid.msel.unh.edu (Scott McCue)
Subject: I need help building xrn...
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:31:02 GMT

  Hi, I'm new to the SGI world and am trying to get some basic
services built for an Elan and a 480GTXB. I've had success building
several X11-based packages for them, but my build for xrn6-17beta 
is punting.

  A number of widgets are not being found at linking time. The list is
fairly long, and I won't include them here. Some of them I found
described in the man pages, and I presume I could find more if I
looked diligently. I haven't found many hints as to the problem.
  If you've succeeded in building this, did you have to change a
library name in the makefile? What did you do to succeed?
  And if you've also failed to complete the build, was it because
xrn wants some subroutines that aren't available with IRIX 4.0.4?
  
  Lest ye ask, I'd prefer to use xrn than one of the other news readers
presently, largely because I'm too unfamiliar with the SGIs to try to
build nntp yet, and I understand that xrn doesn't require nntp.

Thanks
scotty@eos-prog.whoi.edu
sjm@mermaid.msel.unh.edu
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 8mm and dd
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:31:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <715275893@anthrax.cs.duke.edu> jwt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Jeffrey W. Tannehill) writes:


| 	We have an 8mm tape drive attached via a scsi cable to our SGI IRIS 4D.
| It seems to work as expected with the SGI backup and restore utilities and 
| with the BSD dump and restore commands.  However, whenever I try the dd
| command to write I get:
| 
| > dd if=/etc/motd of=/dev/tape
| 	dd: writer error: Invalid argument
| 	0+1 records in
| 	0+1 records out

Either add 'conv=sync' or use the variable block size device (see 'man tps'
for details on naming conventions).  We defaulted the /dev/tape link
for 8mm to fixed block size for compatibility with the only other major
vendor shipping 8mm at the time we started shipping it.
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Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Help, vertical lines on screen
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:48:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Aug26.140645.19091@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> johnb@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (John Benjamins) writes:

| In article <32146@adm.brl.mil> you write:
| >Ok, I recall seeing someone else discuss the vertical lines across the
| >screen problem.  Of course, I didn't follow the discussions carefully at
| >the time.  If some one could point me at a current archive of this list
| >or blast me their old versions of the mail I'd greatly appreciate it.
| >
| >  My problem,  I started seeing vertical "streaks" in gl windows.
| >Usually at random with the problem clearing up after logging in and out.
| >Now I see vertical lines across just about everything.  It appears to be
| >associated to certain framebuffers.  Underlay planes are almost always
| >hosed.  Is this a hardware problem?  Is it one that is reasonable to
| >fix?
| 
| Well, I have a 4D/220GTX which has vertical streaks, but over
| EVERYTHING and across logins, even over the pandora "window".  I
| suspect a hardware problem, but I have no way to test it.  Is there
| supposed to be a test suite in /usr/diags that I can use?  Where can I
| get it?  It's not on the 4.0.1 CD that I can see...

It is a classic symptom of bad video RAM; at least for some of
the graphics boards; I assume that is true of the GTX as well.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: andy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andy Poling)
Subject: Re: looking for old "talk" (BSD 4.2) for IRIX4.0.5
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi
Summary: actually alot worse than that
Keywords: talk, BSD
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:38:23 GMT

In article <p89kt7k@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>In <1992Aug30.203414.9048@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> doctor@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Terry Fong) writes:
[...]
>| I've already tried to build the old talk from sources on
>| gatekeeper.dec.com (/pub/bsd-sources/ucb/talk), but I've been unable
>| to get it to compile under IRIX 4.0.5 (problems with BSD signals and
>| all).
>
>See 'man signal'; basicly you need to compile with -D_BSD_COMPAT or
>-D_BSD_SIGNALS to get the bsd signal behavior.

I'm afraid it's alot worse than that.  If memory serves, you need to replace
all of the crufty BSD sgtty stuff with termio stuff.  Talk about tedium.  The
BSD manual on one side, the SysV manual on the other...  

I don't think the old talk is worth the trouble.

-Andy

Andy Poling                              Internet: andy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: NFS Question...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.165654.24006@news.iastate.edu>, bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske) writes:
> 
> If a line in my fstab looks like:
> 
> [machinename]:/usr/mp1 /usr/mp1 nfs bg,soft,timeo=28,retrans=16 0 0
>                                     ^^^^^^^
> 
> should the 'bg' and 'soft' options prevent network lockups when one
> machine (nfs server) goes down?  We have several sgi machines cross
> mounted and it seems that whenever one goes down the hard way (and
> sometimes even when its brought down nicely) the rest of the machines
> lock up.  That is to say, you can log in, but get no prompt in any 
> of the shells.
> 
> Man pages lead me to believe that I might need different values for
> timeout and retransmission.


Read `man fstab`.

You have told your client to start with a time-out of 2.8 seconds, and
exponentially back off 16 times.  That is a not much different from
a hard mount.

Almost everyone who changes timeo and retrans gets them wrong.
Almost everyone who changes them would be better served by the
default values.


The problem you are having with not getting prompts from shells
is because you are mounting in /usr.  Many commands in the system,
and especially shells, do a lot of the equivalent of the /bin/pwd.
That involves the algorithm:
	0.  start with the directories x=.. and y=.
	1.  lstat(2) each file in x, looking for the major, minor and
		inumber of y, when found, go to step 3.
	2. note the name corresponding to the file in x found in step 1,
		adding it to the growing path.
	3. if the name saved in 2 was "/", exit
	4. set x=the new .. and y=the old x
	5. go to step 1
	
Notice that step #2 involves stat'ing every file in a directory until
the target is found.  If one of those files is a dead NFS mount,
the algorithm will stick, and if you are using a hard mount or
your time-out parameters, it will stick approximately forever.

The solution is either to use the automounter and replace /usr/mp1
with a symbolic link /usr/mp1->/hosts/machinename/usr/mp1, 

or to put all of your symbolic links into some other directory by changing
your fstab, say /net, and replace /usr/mp1 with a symbolic link to /net.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: totsuka@av.crl.sony.co.jp (Takashi Totsuka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: gcc2.2.2 on Iris Crimson (HELP!)
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:16:05 GMT
	<TOTSUKA.92Aug28082940@avaia.av.crl.sony.co.jp>
	<1992Aug28.124816.12065@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
Distribution: comp
Organization: SONY Corporation, JAPAN
In-reply-to: steve@maths.warwick.ac.uk's message of 28 Aug 92 12:48:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.124816.12065@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> steve@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Steve Rumsby) writes:

 |Try compiling and running this (gcc-2.2.2, libg++-2.2, Irix 4.0.2):
 |
 |#include <stdio.h>
 |#include <iostream.h>
 |#include <math.h>
 |
 |main()
 |{
 |	  double	x1, x2, x3;
 |
 |	  x1 = hypot(1, 0);
 |	  printf("Here's a double from printf %f\n", 4.2);
 |	  x2 = hypot(1, 0);
 |	  cout << "Here's a double via iostream " << 4.2 << "\n";
 |	  x3 = hypot(1, 0);
 |
 |	  printf("x1 = %f, x2 = %f, x3 = %f\n", x1, x2, x3);
 |}
 |
 |The results I get are:
 |
 |Here's a double from printf 4.200000
 |Here's a double via iostream 4.2
 |x1 = 1.000000, x2 = 1.000000, x3 = 4503599627370497.000000
 |
 |That value for x3 looks a little suspicious:-)


	I agree. I got  x3 = 1.5  which is a bit closer to the correct
	value......
	The problem seems to disappear when I give two non-zero arguments
	such as (1,1) or (3,4). 
--

Takashi Totsuka      totsuka@av.crl.sony.co.jp
		     SONY Corp.
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: How do i use ide subcommands?
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:05:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <7229@charon.cwi.nl> avdk@cwi.nl (Aad v/d Klaauw) writes:

| In order to service and maintain our sgi machines (mostly indigo's) ourselves
| i would like to learn about all separate ide commands like 'inet2 -e', 
| graphics tests etc., and in which order they are being executed during selftest 
| and diagnostics. I played a while with a broken transceiver, unterminated
| network and inet2 but couldn't produce any diagnostics messages.
| 
| Any help or pointers to documentation will be appreciated.

For the ESD machines (including indigo, we don't document the ide
commands (even to our FE's, for the most part)), and the commands,
their syntax, etc. change from release to release and system to
system.  You can get a list of the commands by typing 'help' at an
ide prompt, but that won't help you figure out what they do
for many of them (their names aren't always descriptive, and
are sometimes downright misleading).

The interactive mode is really intended pretty much for our 
inhouse development and hardware bringup/debug.
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Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com