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From: Peter.Hammond@brunel.ac.uk (Peter D Hammond)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good English Ales
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:43:41 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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Ulick Stafford (ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu) wrote:
  { Stuff deleted }
: Steve Dynecourt of Chicago Brewing Co. told me that they exported to the UK and
: Germany, but I haven't a clue where you would find their products.  Good
: American beers tend to be low volume microbrewery produced products and tend
: not to be exported, although Sam Adams may be.  

Hi. Sadly, the same is true of British beers. I suppose it applies all over the
world: when commerce and volume take over, quality falls, but it's only then
that there is enough left over to export. I personally agree with a previous
poster: Batemans is good if you can get it. Bass can be OK. Look for bottles,
Eldridge Pope you might get. In essence, avoid the big british brewer's 
products (Whitbread, Courage, Scottish & Newcastle, and one other that I
can't remeber right now.) Though having said that, S&N make Newcastle Brown,
which is a fair example of the style. (not my bag.)

: 
: I find most British beers to be piss water, and had the 'pleasure' of drinking
You would, given the choice.
: DD on draught last week in Canada.  They also had the piss Yorkshire Bitter, 
: which tastes as bad in London, Ontario, as London, England.  British lager 
: makes some of the normal American beers look good.
: 
: However, there are some good British beers that are imported into the US
: such as Theakstons, Bass, etc., but there is also Watney's Red Barrell...
Hear hear.

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From: st1t0@rosie.uh.edu (CARL SEILER)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Nasty Green Bottles
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:06 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1992Nov23.224039.22025@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes...
> 
> 
>On the bottom of the Samuel Adams beer six-pack carton there is
>a short statement by brewmaster Koch.  He says something to the
>effect that green bottles allow more beer-destroying light to
>reach the contents.  Then he writes that "about a minute" of
>exposure of green bottled beer to light is enough to begin a
>process leading to the destruction of the beer.
>Anyone able evaluate these two statements?

Green and clear bottled beers are more susceptible to skunking.  
My understanding (and it may be wrong) is that it is a chemical reaction
that takes place with the hops.  Once this chemical reaction starts,
the beer produces a chemical found also in the scent glands of skunks,
hence the term "skunking."  It would seem to me that a minute of
exposure would be a bit of exaggeration, but I am not sure about that.

The only beer I've had that was significantly skunked was Steinlager, and
it comes in a green bottle.

Regardless of the time it takes to skunk, it is considered general knowledg
e that beers in green or clear bottles do skunk.  Even mega-brewers
such as Bud agree.  Miller supposedly chemically treats their beers
to prevent skunking due to light exposure.

Carl

Carl Seiler                         |  Department of Econonmics
Graduate Student                    |  University of Houston
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Neither I nor anyone else is responsible for what I post.  It may be generally
considered hogwash, nonsense, and dribble.
From: S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Buffalo Beer Fest 1992
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:48:12 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92909131@muser

In article <BxH0rn.IyM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:
>Well, I've finally sobered up from the Buffalo Beer Fest 1992, held at the
>Abbott Square Beer Hall/Buffalo Brewing Co.  Here's a little rundown of who
>was there, what was good, and what was GREAT.

>2. Adjacent to Anchor was Bulmar's from England.  They had Watney's and
>Woodpecker, and were making Snakebites of which I sampled about 5.  This was
>REALLY good.

>5. Guinness and Harp.  We then had Guinness, Black & Tans (Guinness on top),
>and Half & Halfs (Guinness on bottom).

What in Ghu's name were Watney's (known as "grotneys") in the UK and Bulmers
doing at what seems otherwise to have been a damn' good fest?

What you want is some DECENT British beer (NB: I'm not implying that all Brit
Beer is automatically the best in the world and that 'cross the pond stuff is,
well, pondwater), and as for cider, Woodpecker is mostly drunk by under-age
kids who need at least as much of a sugar hit as they do of ethanol...
 
Good to see Guinness with a presence, even if they did bring the execrable harp
with them -- a true "Black and Tan" (Ask Ulick for the derivation ;-)) is made
from stout and bitter, not stout an lager -- lager tends to be too thin.
 
To change the subject, I ran into a couple of American Beer Hunters at a fest
here in yorkshire a while ago. I think they may have been taking samples and
copious notes to aid in stocking their bar (hopes: where they taking yeast
samples? I can't remember).
 
Anyway, they were a Mr & Mrs Tupper, of "The Brickskeller" 1523 22nd St NW
Washington DC 20037 -- they also run beer seminars and tastings.

Steve Glover
From: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How about something new?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:33:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
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In article <1992Nov18.172741.12913@wam.umd.edu>  
zedaker@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> How about something new?  I can't think of anything off hand to say  
but I  
> have seen the same subjects for the past two weeks.  New Posts  
Anyone?
> 
> Pam

Ive just given final exams in all my classes and its time to grade  
them.  My grading method begins with an "attitude adjustment" hour.
This quarter I have chosen Spaten Oktoberfestbier as the attitude  
adjusting medium.  I have 2 six-packs cooling down in my fridge right  
now, and two 1-liter steins cleaned and drying on the rack.  This is  
the best beer Ive ever had, and I cant wait.

In other news, I think Ive got my wife tricked into getting me some  
homebrewing equipment for Christmas this year.  I hope things work out.
From: cmartine@koh-sun4.usc.edu (Christopher Martinez)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Norwegian Beers
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:09:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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In article <bno.3@postman.hsn.no>, bno@postman.hsn.no (BRGE NORDHEI) writes:
|> There has been a lot of talking about Norwegian beers recently, but no-one 
|> has ever mentioned NORDLANDSPILS! It's, by no doubt, the best Norwegian beer.
|> Try it!!!
|> 		Borge from Bodoe (Norway)

Aass Bock is my personal favorite.

Chris
cmartine@usc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Marshall)
Subject: Re: Michael Shea's
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:21:11 GMT


Michael Shea's has made it to Columbus, Ohio, and I would say its pretty good.
The first time I had it, the bartender said it was imported!  NOT!  I later 
found it was made in New York, I didn't realize by Genesee.  I wouldn't compare
it to Sam Adams, I compare it to Killians.  Not as bitter as Killians.

Later.
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From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Subject: Re: Celis
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:09:40 GMT

In article <1ej4coINNbnl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu writes:
>Finally...I've found a willing mule for some Celis!
>
>A friend is driving to Houston over Christmas and is willing to
>return with a case of Celis products. So, I need some info from Texas 
>alt.beer readers!

Ah, you're about to have an interesting experience. The second batch of Celis
recently went out, and it's better than the first batch (which, IMHO, was pretty
good food...)

>1) What Celis products are available in bottles?

Celis makes three beers: White, Golden, and Pale Bock. The White is the only one
I have any real experience with, so it's really the only one I can whole
heartedly recommend. Celis White is a wheat beer. Very good stuff, IF you like
wheat beers. It's kind of "fruity", as some describe it (but this is the same
guy that says Dragon Stout reminds him of Chinese food), and it's not for
everyone, but *I* personally like it.

The Golden I've only tried a couple of times. It's good, but not one of my
favorites.

The Pale Bock, again, I've only tried a couple of times. Nothing makes it stand
out in my memory.

>2) Are they available in Houston? My friend is willing to stop in the 
>Dallas area but Houston would be easier.

I don't know about Houston, but I know they're REAL hard to find in San Antonio,
and even in Austin (where the brewery is located), you have to actually seek it
out (i.e., you won't find it at 7-11).

>Thanks for any info!

In return, how 'bout shipping down a case of Pub Draught Guinness cans? <grin>

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From: zedaker@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: Bud
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:06:50 GMT

In article <hg2001-161192154538@m248-129.bgsu.edu>  
hg2001@mailserver.bgsu.edu (Heather) writes:
> Doesn't anyone like Bud anymore??  My personal fave is Bud Dry.
> 
> Heather

OOOH, I just love that Bud Dry!

****NOT*****!!!!!

Get real, Okay?  Nobody with taste would drink that stuff. Perhaps if it  
was free or I was being paid to drink it, I might partake of its pissy  
flavor.
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sam Adams suing someone?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:03:33 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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In article <yDRouB4w165w@seanews.akita.com> jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn) writes:
>Sorry, but he has to do this.  If he does not protect his brand name at 
>this time, at some later time the fact that the brand name was not 
>disputed will be taken as license to infringe upon it...

   His first lawsuit got tossed out of court.  It had no merit.
> 
>...  says it's the best in America, and it's probably true...

   Not by a long shot.  Anchor, Sierra Nevada, Grant's,  The Boston
Beer Works... all make better brew (IMHO).
--
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: se_lipta@rcvie.co.at (Jaroslav Liptak)
Subject: Re: The Best Beer
Reply-To: se_lipta@rcvie.co.at
Organization: Alcatel ELIN Research
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:33:35 GMT

In article 92Nov17210820@blaze.rutgers.edu, loewenst@cs.rutgers.edu (David Loewenstern) writes:
>.... On 17 Nov 92 09:55:45 GMT, conrad@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Conrad Yoder) said:
>
>} In article <LOEWENST.92Nov16232227@blaze.rutgers.edu> loewenst@cs.rutgers.edu (-
>}   David Loewenstern) writes:
>}>Has anyone else tried Eger Urbier, from Czechoslovakia
>
>
>} Are you sure that's Czech?  Eger is a city in Hungary, still not too near the
>} Hungar-Czech border.  Might that fruity taste be grapes?  Egri Bikaver is my
>} absolute favorite wine - nothing can lay a finger on it.
>
>I'm pretty sure it's Czech.  I'm certain it's beer.  The fruit flavor
>is more like figs than grapes, anyway.
>
>These opinions are shareware.  If you like the product,
>please send your $0.02 to
>               David Loewenstern
><loewenst@paul.rutgers.edu>||<d.loewenstern@att.com>


I hope I can bring some light in your discussion: Eger is a Hungarian city near the Hungarian-Slovak
border, famous with its heroic resistance to the Turks in the 17th century and more famous with its
vineyards. Conrad is right, Egri Bikaver ("Bull's Blood from Eger") is one of the best red wines from 
Hungary.

David is also right. Eger is the German name for the Czech city Cheb, located in Western Bohemia
in the close vicinity of German border. The domestic name of that beer is "Chebsky' Starovar" and
it is a popular brand there. I do not think the taste is a result of flavoring - I would search for
the cause in the technology and the water they use.

Greetings from Vienna
(heading for a few Budweisers (from Budweis!) tonight)

Jaro
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From: mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick)
Subject: Re: New to Good Beer
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:59:21 GMT

 
> Having been in Canada for a conference last week I am now a believer in
> the old axiom that Canadian beer tastes much better in Canada than the US.

Molson products are vastly different (read better) in Canada IMHO.  Molson  
Brador (not sold in the US I think, but I'd love to be proven incorrect) is a  
fine beer, especially given the size of the company.  It's a little higher in  
alcohol with a lot more body and a better balance than their regular brews  
which tend toward the Bud/Mil/Coors variety.  It's a good beer that can be  
found in a lot of places (but it's no Dominion Lager or Hoegarden).

matt dick
msd@courtney.acns.nwu.edu
From: smirj@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk (Smith R J)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Winter Warmers are back!
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:53:21 GMT
Organization: Well I *know* it's *somewhere*...
In-reply-to: WTP.ADMIN@MHS.UNC.EDU's message of 20 Nov 92 14:13:15 GMT


	If you can find it, try Wadworth's Old Timer. It is the best Winter 
Warmer I've ever found. I doubt whether it is available in the U.S., as
Wadworth is a relatively small brewery...But it is certainly worth hunting for.

Robin
The Weather Watcher...
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From: mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick)
Subject: Re: special export
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:20:17 GMT

I've recently acquired the less-dangerous-than-it-sounds-or-looks skill of fire  
eating and lighter fluid is the only thing I've consumed to date that gave me  
the digestive problems of Old Style.  I would hazard that drinking Old Style is  
more dangerous than fire eating in a lot of ways actually.

matt dick
msd@courtney.acns.nwu.edu
From: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Colorado Civil Rights - Listen up!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:21:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
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In article <e3TcuB2w165w@seanews.akita.com> jbunn@seanews.akita.com  
(John E Bunn) writes:
> Educate yourselves and reject intolerance in any kind.
>  
> JB
>  

Yet another close-minded, ill-informed post, which does nothing but 
call names.  This is typical college sophomore thinking.  If someone
disagrees with you on any point, he must disagree on all points,  
therefore, he must agree with Hitler, Stalin, Satan, the KKK, Joe
MacCarthy, Madeline O'Hare, Barry Manilow, etc.  Therefore he is less
than human and you have the right to "re-educate" him to your way of 
thinking.  It's amazing that someone would try to hide this sort of
thinking behind a campaign for tolerance, diversity and freedom.  Take
this drivel somewhere else, like alt.big.brother.

Bart
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From: hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER)
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Organization: ILS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:32:48 GMT

In article <Bxo2E5.9sw@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter
Nelson) writes:
> 

> 
>     This is getting bizarre!    
> 
> 
>     I complained that, while this may be, the problem with
>     "fictional truths" is that there's no useful way to talk
>     about them, anaylze them, or assess them.  The truth in
>     a work of art is purely subjective precisely because art
>     lacks the intellectual discipline that makes science work.
>     It provides no means to step outside of our own personal
>     experience of it.   Art offers no means to reach closure.

What?  How can one assert that art can not be discussed..  Clearly there is
a level on which we can discuss a novels meaning.  For example you or I can
argue and disagree with the motivation that drive Anna in Anna Karenina. 
But if someone asserted that the book was not about love and really was a
metaphor for evolution vs. creationism, that person just does not
understand the book.

There is a difference between having a personal experience in reading of
watching art and projecting any subjective content you wish onto a work of
art.  

Perhapes you mean something very strange by "fictional truths",  but
certainly there is value that can be gained from a work of art, and there
are intelligent ways to go about experiencing and talking about art. 

Most importantly I can learn from your experience of art and you might be
able to learn from mine,  but the only way to do so is to enter in
discussion on it.











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From: system@korova.freeside.com (razorback)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:42:33 CST
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>     I complained that, while this may be, the problem with
>     "fictional truths" is that there's no useful way to talk
>     about them, anaylze them, or assess them.  The truth in
>     a work of art is purely subjective precisely because art
>     lacks the intellectual discipline that makes science work.
>     It provides no means to step outside of our own personal
>     experience of it.   Art offers no means to reach closure.


art is subjective not because it lacks intellectual discipline, but 
because its all from one persons point of view. (excepting of course the 
multipersonality disorder victims) truth is subjectiv no matter where it 
is found, because it is true only to that particular person and therefor 
also based on one persons point of view. art takes a great deal of 
concentration. to sculpt something you mist have absolute tunnel vision 
and be able to exclude EVERYTHING but the sculpture. it allows not only 
for a person to step outside of personal experience, but to experience 
what another person is feeling, thinking, and how they perceive reality. 
try looking at a good painting sometime. if youre in the same frame of 
mind as that person, you understand EVERYTHING that they have put up 
there on canvas. it isnt a picture, but a visual story. usually, however, 
you dont come across art that good, because as ayn rand's philosophies 
intended you to realize, good art is not welcomed. makes the other guys 
look bad. 
        anyway, the whole point of art that is done because it MUST be 
done is that it takes the unspoken things of a human and crystallizes 
them in a display for people to see. by the unspoken i mean feelings that 
have no adjectives and colors that have not yet been named. to describe a 
feeling is much different than if you were to paint it. and theyre just 
as hard, but art is more expressive.
        art, i suppose, is the true "science" of emotion. and its just
as hard to capture as an emotion...well..if you didnt understand me, you 
probably dont understand art, either...so..just ignore me, please..

squid

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From: pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pellervo Kokkonen)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:09:52 GMT
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In article <BxvnAF.5HE@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>  Let's suppose a painting contains a great truth.  How do you
>  tell?

	Painting is a non-linguistic act of communication. It can
	be true without you _telling_ anything.

	I think the same applies to religious experience. You do 
	not expect an explanation from a physicist to believe.

	Pell
From: hb003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ( haim yigal bodek)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Mass Communication and Semiotics
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:58:42 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)



Hello all,

I am attempting to chair a semiotics discussion group on my campus with 
a primary emphasis on mass communication and motivation. I am looking for
authors and resources to discuss. The more "scientific" works usually lead
to more successful discussions, so I would appreciate suggestions along
this line (I am hesitant to introduce Marxist,Freudian, etc. works, yet
I confess that I like Baudrillard :) ). I include a list of
planned topics in the hopes of orientating my request.

Barthes' Connotative Semiology
"Dirty Doctor" Dichter's advertising essays
Cherry's information-theory & language
Baudrillard's "Cold Seduction"
Wierner's On the Human Use of Human Beings
Merleua-Ponty's essays from Signs
Speech Act Theory
(Lyotard, Eco, Foucault are possible tangents)

Any other suggestions?

I thank all of you in advance. Haim Bodek  hb003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu


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