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From: mackinto@stat.ncsu.edu (Ian Mackintosh)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Originator: mackinto@essss1.stat.ncsu.edu
Organization: Statistics, NCSU
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:11:39 GMT



I have seen several references here to these being the educational
discounts on the Classic.  However, the sales person here in
NC says that this is incorrect; they are non-discountable.
He claims that he checked on this with the regional manager
for the whole south-east.

Does anyone have any contacts at Sun who can vouch for these prices.
Is it possible that the 20% discount is on a per school basis and
not a blanket deal?



4/15C-16-P40-05           16MB, 19"COLOR DESKTOP PKG         5,624.00  D
4/15C-16-P43-05           16MB, 19"COLOR DESKTOP PKG         6,044.00  D
4/15DC-16-P40-05          16MB, 15"COLOR DESKTOP PKG         3,356.00  D
4/15DC-16-P43-05          16MB, 15"COLOR, DESKTOP PKG        3,776.00  D
4/15EC-16-P43-05          16MB, 16"MID-RANGE DESKTOP PKG     4,364.00  D
4/15FC-16-P40-05          16MB, 16"COLOR DESKTOP PKG         4,784.00  D
4/15FC-16-P43-05          16MB, 16"COLOR DESKTOP PKG         5,204.00  D
4/15M3-16-P40-05          16MB, 19"GRAYSCALE DESKTOP PKG     3,944.00  D
4/15M3-16-P43-05          16MB, 19"GRAYSCALE DESKTOP PKG     4,364.00  D
4/15S-16-P46-05           16MB DESKTOP SERVER PKG            4,196.00  D



Thanks

Ian Mackintosh

System Admin, System Janitor
Statistics, NCSU
Raleigh, NC

mackinto@stat.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: SPARC market share
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:30:41 GMT

scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

>Losing 2% of the workstation market is a sigificant loss for Sun.  It
>means that in spite of the largest installed base and massive software
>availability (much of which runs exclusively on SunOS), they still
>aren't holding their own.

Did this market grow at all? Is anyone surprised that a US$63 billion company
that decides to have a major piece of this market won't get any if they are
really aggressive?

Why has Sun lost only 2% of this market in relative sales? Have they
increased their turnover? Profit? [left as an excercise for the reader, but I
have a 4th Q report if you need it, but not here]

>Every time Sun does a massive brain-damaged OS upgrade requiring
>difficult ports or conversions (see commentary in comp.sys.sun.apps and
>comp.sys.sun.admin) they open the door for vendors to convert to a
>different vendor's OS.  Every time a *smart* application vendor does
>a port, they make things more and more general, making it easier and
>easier to go to non-Sun platforms.  Every time an admin has to treat
>a new SunOS release as if it were a new workstation, they're going to
>sit back and consider a non-Sun solution as well.

Didn't Sun say "We support SVR4 so that vendors only have to do 1 port, and
the UNIX market will get larger, and we will have a small piece of a large
market and sell more Suns" ? Did they ever say "Sun aims to have a good UNIX,
but its OURS, and you can't PLAY, and we want 100% of the UNIX market" ? I
don't remember anyone saying that. Do you?

-PaulR.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: timk@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Tim Kraus 3679)
Subject: Re: Sun Monitor options
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:14:07 GMT

ma90fau@imath1.ucsd.edu (ma90fau) writes:
: I am somehow confused by Suns midrange color option.  If you own a
: Sparcstation LX, what difference does it make between the midrange
: and regular?  The midrange monitor can display 1152x900 right?
: I have never actually see a midrange 16 color monitor before, who
: makes those monitors?  Is it a flat screen monitor?
: 
: Thanks for any help

The midrange 16" color monitor can display at 1152x900, but only
at a refresh rate of 67 Hz.

With the normal 16" color monitor you can display 1280x1024 at
a refrest rate of 67 Hz.  Alternatively, the normal 16" color
monitor can display 1152x900 at a refresh rate of 76 Hz.

----
Tim Kraus
timk@torreypinesca.ncr.com

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would  rather  be
equal  in  slavery  than unequal in freedom.
                              --Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)
-- 
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timk@torreypinesca.ncr.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.hardware:5667 comp.periphs.scsi:5493
From: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: Problems with Fast SCSI-II on Sun Sparc 10 (long)
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:32:40 GMT
Reply-To: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

jjg@pt.com (John Grana) writes:
>As one who has spent the past year dealing with Fast SCSI on single ended
>busses, all on SBus, I can offer the following:

> Also, our driver performs a speed
>reduction when it detects a sync. problem. So, the system would start at
>10 MB/sec., then drop to 8 and maybe even 6.7 MB/sec before it would
>stabilize.

	What method do you use to determine when a sync problem has occurred?
Mismatched transfer sizes?  How do you tell this is different from either
commands which return less than requested, or people who use CAM (or the
equivalent) and tell you the command will do more or less IO than it actually
does?

>Then we plugged the 3 line FPT board (active on the other lines) into
>our board. Now, the system ran better, but still dropped to 8. Finally
>we added a third party FPT/Active to the end of the SCSIbus (on the
>last drive in the last shoebox). SPARCstation negotiated 10 MB/sec
>AND STAYED THERE. Ran disk I/O for 2 days. All four disks stayed at
>10 MB/sec.

	How expensive should a 3-line FPT be?  (In parts, not neccesarily
pre-built.)  Isn't there an issue with FPT perhaps drawing too much current
for the SCSI spec?

-- 
To be or not to be = 0xff
-
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Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: elling@eng.auburn.edu (Richard Elling)
Subject: Re: SparcBook Laptop Price Drop
Reply-To: elling@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:57:05 GMT

In article 722018967@cc.gatech.edu, kzin@terminus.gatech.edu (John Rudd) writes:
>
>     Funny thing happened to me this morning.  I've long been looking
>over the SparcBook Laptop.
[stuff deleted]

>They're working on a Tsunami system, the guy said..

Great!  If they add in an ISDN port it could be a very attractive machine.
(modems?  modems!  we don't need no stinking modems!)
Of course it may be 2010 before ISDN gets to us folks in the sticks...

>and best of all, they're going to continue to support and sell Solaris 1
>for a LONG time to come. :-)
>

I find this ironic since it was Tadpole who first adverstised a machine
running Solaris 2.0.  Of course time went on and they had to ship 
machines so Solaris 1.x was shipped with them.  All in all they are 
nice boxes no matter which Solaris they run.

---
 Richard Elling                          Manager of Network Support
 Auburn University                       Engineering Administration
 richard.elling@eng.auburn.edu   KB4HB [44.100.0.72]  (205)844-2280

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sgi
From: kriegman@klaupacius.eng.yale.edu (David Kriegman)
Subject: Using an SGI CD-ROM Drive on a Sparc Station
Organization: Yale University, Center for Systems Sciences
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:51:54 GMT


I have a Silicon Graphics CD-ROM drive that I'd like to be able to
attach to my SparcStation 1 running SUN OS 4.1.1.  I gave it SCSI
address 6 as mentioned in the sr device driver man page, but the
device is not being recongized by SparcStation while booting.  Using
the ROM commands, I've confirmed that the device is recognizable at
address 6.

So my questions are: Is it even possible to use the SGI CD-ROM drive
with my SparcStation?  or have modification been made by SGI making 
the drive somewhat non-standard?  If it is useable, what do I have to
do to make it recognizable to UNIX?  A different device driver?

Thanks for any help.

Dave Kriegman
kriegman@cs.yale.edu
From: yarri@icrl.mew.mei.co.jp (Douglas Yarrington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Opinions on DSP boards wanted
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:17:37 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: IBS R&D Lab, Matsushita Electric Works


I'm putting together a proposal for the purchase of a DSP board for a
Sparc. We need to prototype some video DSP systems and so we're looking at
boards with 20+Msps rates at 8/10/12 bits.

Anyone out there have opinions, suggestions on good board and software
combinations?

Thanks.

--douglas

--
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  IBS Systems - Digital Design                             Flat Antenna Stuff
  Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd        "A beautiful place to be for a while"
From: lewis@fermi.wustl.edu (Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Magneto Optical or WORM disks
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:06:44 GMT
Organization: Washington University Astrophysics
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: fermi.wustl.edu
Keywords: magnetooptical write-once

Has anyone out there had experience with hooking up magneto optical or
write once read many disks to a sun?  We are particularly interested in
jukeboxes to give us ready access to the many Gb's of data we collect.
Any ideas on reliability, cost, and access time?  Are there any standards
as far as the formatting of the disks?

Thanks!
Lewis
lewis@cosray.wustl.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: gdc11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Carver)
Subject: Problems with Sony optical disk
Keywords: hardware, Sony, optical
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:35:47 GMT

I have a Sony R/W optical disk (SMO-C501-00) that I brought through
Sun UK about a year ago. It has now started to give me some problems.
The disk is normally online continuously. However, it has now started
spinning down then spinning back up all by itself.  Sometimes the disk
never spins back up and the server promptly crashes.

This disk is NOT on maintenance. I have also discovered since that there
is a cleaning cartridge which should be used monthly. However, I don't
have one.

I need to know if this is a fault that I need to call the engineer out for.
Has anyone else experienced the same problems?

        Thanks.
                 Glenn Carver
                 Systems Administrator
                 Cambridge Centre for Atmospheric Science


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: lhawkins@olaf.wellesley.edu (Lee Hawkins)
Subject: Speed and capabilities of Sun 3/* machines 
Organization: Wellesley College
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:22:17 GMT

Hi all,
I've recently been thinking about buying a Sun 3/something for home use,
but have had little luck in finding any info on the capabilities of the
various models.  Could some kind soul out there answer the following
questions, or at least point me to a good reference?

	0) What are the numbers for all the Sun 3 models (3/60 & what
		else)?

	1) What are the MIPS and SPEC ratings of the various 3/*'s?
	
	2) How many and what type expansion buss slots do they have?

	3) What is the max memory with each model?

	4) What is the max amount of disk with each model?

	5) How many expansion slots are left on each model after a
		frame buffer and disk controller are added (ie
		how much of this stuff is on the system board) ?

	6) What is the latest version of SunOS that runs on Sun 3's ?

	7) Will that version support X? How about Motif?

	8) What are the graphics options for each model?

	9) Do they have ethernet on board? AUI or thin?

	10) How many drives can go internal in each model?

	11) How many serial ports does each model have? Parallel ports?

	12) What are reasonable prices for each model with, say a 19"
		color monitor, 600Mb of disk and 16Mb of memory?
		For comparison, what should a used SPARC 1+ with
		the same stuff go for?
		
That'll do for a start.  I use DECstations at work, but they seem to be
a bit steeper than used Suns, so I am thinking of going with a used
3/Something at home.  I'll summarize the answers that I get to the net.
Perhaps they will make a good addition to the impending FAQ for the
group.

Thanks in advance,
--Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
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Department of Astronomy				 lhawkins@lucy.wellesley.edu
Whitin Observatory
Wellesley College                                   Ph. 617-283-2708
Wellesley, MA 02181                                 FAX 617-283-3642
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart)
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:17:10 GMT

In article <jstewart.722147880@cunews>, jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
|> In <1992Nov19.003959.6608@news2.cis.umn.edu> pete@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Pete Thurmes) writes:
|> 
|> >A word of caution when ordering a Sparcstation 10:
|> 
|> >Sun is now shipping the Sparc 10's, but when I received mine I found out
|> 
|> I was overjoyed to see that the Sparc 10 has a 10Base-T port.  We only
|> provide 10Base-T connections to our campus ethernet so this actually
|> saves us the cost of a 10Base-T transceiver.
|> 
|> Sun should be congradulated for this far sighted decision.

Congratulations are only in order when the vendor forewarns you. Sun
didn't and as far as I know still doesn't tell any customers about
the 10Base-T only connection (unless you specifically ask them). 
When you work for a mid-to-large size company, that equates to a 1 
month+ wait for additional adapter hardware P.O.s to go through 
(while the computer sits idle on a desktop). As far as I'm concerned,
Sun blew it big time on this one. I like 10Base-T, I think it's a
good move, but next time (Sun, are you listening?) it'd be nice to
know enough ahead of time to order the extra hardware.


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From: jong-min@ie.engr.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Removable SCSI hard disks for Sun workstations?
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:07:39 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/organization

I am thinking of installing a removable hard disk, Bernoulli or Syquest,
on Sun IPC workstation's SCSI connection. I wonder if anyone have tried
this installation.

Is Sun's SCSI driver software enough to format and use the hard disks as
general external hard disks? If not, does Bernoulli or Syquest provide the
drivers for Sun?

Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu and I will summarize.
-- 
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| Office: (608)-262-3234       360F ME Bldg
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From: brossard@siisun.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:00:19 GMT
Reply-To: brossard@sic.epfl.ch
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1712@niktow.canisius.edu>, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
|> In article <lg6j1iINN5dj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, ram@shukra.Eng.Sun.COM (Renu Raman) writes:
|> > 
|> >  Most of the current crop of RISC architectures are fundamentally similar
|> >  and if one were to apply the same compiler and implementation 
|> >  techniques to all of them  - its possible to find all of them within
|> >  a few % points of each other in terms of performance, cost etc.
|> > 
|>    If this is true, then SUN is having VERY serious problems with its compilers
|>    and implementation techniques.  Comparing the latest announcements:
|> 
|>      System   # processors   SPECrate_int92  SPECrate_fp92  Availability
|> 
|>    SUN 2000        8             8047           10,600       April, 93
|> 
|>    DEC 10000       4             9108           17,187       Jan/Feb, 93


   What kind of data is this?  I'm sure the 2 processors NEC we have in 
Switzerland is faster than the 4 processors DEC 10'000, but what does that
prove? nothing!  How about mentionning, price, technology used, etc.
Beside, I would rather wait before comparing machines on which nobody
can run benchmarks as of yet.  (Yes, I know there are a few Sparcserver 2000
out there, but you know what I mean).

-- 

Alain Brossard, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne,
	SIC/SII, EL-Ecublens, CH-1015 Lausanne, Suisse, +41 21 693-2211
brossard@sic.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: craven@cg.emr.ca (Jim Craven)
Subject: Re: SUN Sparc-Compatible Laptops
Reply-To: craven@cg.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:17:52 GMT

In article 20621@twg.com, "David Herron" <david@twg.com> () writes:
>
>Can we expect that a TSunami based SPARC laptop is in the works
>and due out sometime next spring?
>
>Seems likely to meeee...
>
>
><- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
><-
><- During the '80s Usenet's mantra was: "Not all the world's a VAX".
><- During the '90s I hope it becomes:   "Not all the world's DOS (ick)".

Sun coming out with a laptop is a natural progression of their shift to
MIS.   Clone manaufacturers are also likely, perhaps more likely, to
get in on the deal.  Their problem is, as always, cost. Sun gets the
chip reasonably cheaply because they helped design it.  The cost for
clone manufacturers is still $500 per chip I understand.  And
development costs to implement Solaris 2.x on that chip will be a tad
:-) more expensive for cloners then for Sun.

Jim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Problems with Fast SCSI-II on Sun Sparc 10 (long)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:50:48 GMT

In <1992Nov19.010445.20713@pt.com> jjg@pt.com (John Grana) writes:
| Passive was fine for older SCSI (3-4 MB/sec). For a loaded SCSIbus (5 or
| more devices) and/or SCSI Fast (10 MB/sec) it doesn't work. Period.

This is an overly strong statement.  It may or may not be true
of Sun's (or your companies) SCSI implementation, but I routinely
run 5-7 SCSI devices (typically all disk, or all disk except one tape)
synchronous at various rates 4-5 MB/sec, in fairly heavy use
on our systems.  This is typically a combination of ribbon and
round twisted pair cable in two or 3 cabinets.

| Active does a much better job for 10 MB devices but starts to
| fall after 2 or 3 fast devices and/or long (> 4 feet) cables.

This isn't true in general either.  I have less experience with
this, but we have definitely run 4 disks over some fairly
sloppy cabling at fast SCSI rates, with active termination at
each end.  No problems; it *is* more sensitive to termination and
cabling though, no doubt about it.  Cable length and number of
impedance mismatches (ribbon to twisted pair transitions) definitely
has more of an affect than at the lower data rates and longer signal
assertions.

--
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because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mfr@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE. (Michael Froehlich)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Reply-To: mfr@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE.
Organization: University of Bremen, Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:39:48 GMT

In article 6483@uhura1.uucp, bryan@uhura1.uucp (Bryan Curnutt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.083631.9764@informatik.uni-bremen.de> mfr@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE. writes:
>>In article 16307@uhura1.uucp, bryan@uhura1.uucp (Bryan Curnutt) writes:
>>>
>>>If the LX does 1152x900 graphics, what's the difference between the
>>>mid-range and the more expensive 16" color monitor?
>>
>> I think the best way to find your monitor is to ask your 
>>SUN rep. for a demo. 
>
>Indeed.  The information I got from my Sun rep. was the same information
>that has been posted here -- except that it was posted here before I was
>able to get it.
>
>I can eventually get the answer from a Sun rep., but the net is generally
>much faster, and we're making budget decisions _now_.
>-- 
>Bryan "Ten days before Sun can send me the product literature" Curnutt
>bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
>Any opinions above are mine, not SAI's.

Sorry Bryan. I was _not_ talking about technical informations. I don't have
these informations :-( Of course, in this case the net is much, much faster. 

I was talking about the visual appearance of the monitor. I think the only 
way to make a good monitor decision is to take a look at it (if you have the 
time). I think it should be possible for your Sun rep. to show you the product. 
Our Sun rep. is very cooperative in things like that.

Michael
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg)
Subject: SPARCClassic/LX Edu Price (was Re: SPARCClassic)
Organization: Personal Account - Digital Express Greenbelt, MD
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:17:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.213746.27759@exu.ericsson.se> exujuyu@exu.ericsson.se (Junwen Yuan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.221139.17609@ncsu.edu> mackinto@stat.ncsu.edu (Ian Mackintosh) writes:
>>I have seen several references here to these being the educational
>>discounts on the Classic.  ...
>>Does anyone have any contacts at Sun who can vouch for these prices.
>>Is it possible that the 20% discount is on a per school basis and
>>not a blanket deal?
>You don't get any educational discounts on the SPARCClassic.
>But, you do get normal educational discounts on the SPARCstation LX,
>which is around 40%.
>BTW, I haven't seen the SPARCstation LX yet, does it come
>with the IPC-like "shoe box" or SS2-like "pizza box"?

The LX is, like the Classic, in a 'shoe-box'. Can anyone send me the discount
amounts on the LX for students, and any contacts? My school, U of MD Balt Cty,
doesn't sell SPARCs. I'll be in a LX as soon as I can sell my IIcx. (Anyone
want a mondo Mac?) - Gary

-- 
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From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 16" colour or 19" grayscale?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:40:02 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

We are about to buy one of the new Sun LX workstations and I
have to choose either 16" colour or 19" grayscale. I presently
work on an SLC, which is 17" monochrome. I like small fonts
so I can get lots of xterms (most people can't read my screen
if they're looking over my shoulder). I suspect I would not
be able to use fonts this small on a colour monitor, although
I've never used X for any length of time on a colour system.
I'd like to hear people's opinions on what to pick--colour
or grayscale?
--
Peter Steele        Unix Services Manager            peter.steele@acadiau.ca 
Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware