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From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Subject: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Just enough to get by...
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:20:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.204236.11578@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly) wrote:
> 
> In article <4310014@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
> >Tom@SLACVM writes:
> >
> >> I have a road bike with slick 700 x 25 tires, how do you deal with
> >> black ice?  Do riders switch tires for the winter?
> >
> >I'm dismayed at the news media and their constant embellishments of
> >everyday phenomena.  We no longer have rain but a storm system
> >moving into the state, we don't have rain showers but intermittent
> >shower activity, and we don't have icy roads but widespread
> >occurrence of black ice in the area.
> >
> 
> What is black ice anyway?  Is it black, or just transparent and the
> road underneath is black?   If I am drinking milk out of a drinking
> glass, is that white glass?  "Black ice" certainly sounds sinister,
> though.
> 

(Sigh..) I'll probably get accused of being overly pedantic and in
the wrong newsgroup, but you asked, and there seems to be a wee bit
of confusion, so here goes:

The "Glossary of Meteorology" (published in 1959 by the American 
Meteorological Society, and still used as the definitive standard for
terms meteorological) defines "Black Ice" as:

"1. Thin, new ice on fresh or salt water, appearing dark in color because
of its transparency.

2. A mariner's term for a dreaded form of icing sometimes sufficiently 
heavy to capsize a small ship."

Of the two, I'd guess the first definition makes the most sense in this 
context. While apparently initially refering to thin, fresh ice on
water, the term appears to have been generalized to thin, fresh ice
on tar, which gives much the same appearance. 

So while I have to agree the term seems to have become somewhat fashionable
and overused by the popular press, it does have a specific meaning, or at
least it did in 1959 :).

As far as riding on it, my advice would be "stay off the pond."

:)

-Nick

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:56:53 GMT

Black ice is clear ice.  Why they don't just call it ice I'm not sure.  Maybe
people just feel the word ice is begging for an adjective, or maybe ice is
special when it's on a road...

Bill


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Need to read : Are you an idiot?
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:03:28 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   8 Jan 93 18:10:17 GMT
>FROM:   Steven Vest <vest@novavax.UUCP>
> I live near the famous A1A in South Florida.
>This is a very beautiful seaside road that gives some incredible 
>ocean views.  But it is also a VERY narrow (mostly) two lane road
>that passes through one of the most densly populated commercial
>areas in the state.[....]

Simple solution: close it to cars.

--Michael Smith
From: dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu (Lawrence R. Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Black Ice vs Summer Ice
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:17:54
Organization: Dept of Chemical Engineering, Polytechnic Univ, NY, USA
Distribution: na
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In-reply-to: beldar@MicroUnity.Com's message of 8 Jan 93 22:47:28

>>>>> "Gardner" == Gardner Cohen <beldar@MicroUnity.com> writes:
  Gardner> Nntp-Posting-Host: rimulac.microunity.com
  Gardner> Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.06.


  Gardner> In article <1993Jan8.152832.2028@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> mschweder@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Mark Schweder) writes:

  Gardner>    All this talk about BLACK ICE, does anyone know what SUMMER ICE is?

  Gardner> And GLARE ICE?

and SCOTCH N ICE?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.rides
From: bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell)
Subject: RIDE STORY: Mission Peak (12/26/92)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.rides
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:41:14 GMT


Route Log:

--------                        -----------------       -----   -----------
location                        altitude/climbing       miles   time of day
--------                        -----------------       -----   -----------
home                                  20/0               0.0        8:56a
Palo Alto Cultural Center             20/0               0.4        9:01a
Hwy 84 & Mission Blvd. (via
Coyote Hills and Alameda Creek
path)                                150/530            26.3       11:41a
Mission Blvd & I-680                 340/730            29.9       11:58a
Mill Creek Rd. & Mission Peak Trail 1460/1850           33.6       12:35p
Mission Peak toilet                 2010/2320           34.4       12:58p
Mission Peak horse hitching post    2380/2620           35.0        1:12p
Mission Blvd & Warm Springs Blvd.    210/2620           39.5        2:36p
home                                 160/2770           62.4        4:05p

Total time: 7:05 (!)
Riding time: 4:41
Average Speed: 13.3
Maximum speed: 34.0
index: 74
irp: 10
mirp: 16
climbing ratio*: 0.44

*Climbing ratio is (feet climbed)/(miles_ridden*100).  A climbing ratio of 1.0
is said (by Jude**) to be the Magic Ratio and corresponds to 100 feet of
climbing for every mile of riding.  A ride whose climbing ratio is greater than
or equal to the Magic Ratio (1.0) is a ride with lots of up and down.

**judek@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us

-------------------------

Saturday 12/26/92 - Ride to Mission Peak

On Saturday, Brent Silver (brent_silver@qm.sri.com) and I rode across the
Dumbarton Bridge to Fremont.  We then hooked up with Alvin Chin's Western
Wheelers "C" ride going up the Alameda Creek path.  He had at least 20 people
on his ride.  The moderately vigorous pace was just about right for us, but he
described his ride as an easy spin in the newsletter.  Maybe if I advertise my
rides as easy spins I'll get more people.

When we got to Niles Canyon, a cold wind was blowing from Sunol, and frigid fog
was licking the grassy tops of the nearby hills.  We stopped briefly to eat.
The temperature was 42 degrees.  We then continued up Mill Creek Rd. and the
back side of Mission Peak.  The last mile and a half is a very steep dirt road
with lots of large, loose gravel for about 1100 feet of climbing.  Fortunately,
the temperature at the top of the mountain was a warm 65.  The view was great.

We rode down the steep dirt road on the front side of the mountain and then
continued home on the flats through Milpitas, San Jose, Santa Clara,
Sunnyvale, and Mountain View.  Since Brent lives in Sunnyvale, he split off at
Central Expressway and Wolfe Rd.  Apparently one can ride up Monument Peak
(another nearby peak) as well, so I'll plan to do this another day.

-- 
bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com	(Bill Bushnell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.rides
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides

>I'm planning a bike tour at the west coast, perhaps from Vancouver to Tijuana
>along the 101. Desperately, here in Germany it is *impossible* to get tour
>infos. I've got only State maps of Washington, Oregon and California, but
>it seems to poor to prepare such a ride from Europe. Could any kind soul give
>me a pointer to ride infos (books etc.) or send me the info directly to Berlin?

The book that I recommend is "Bicycling the Pacific Coast" (2nd Edition) by
Tom Kirkendall and Vicky Spring.  ISBN 0-89886-232-9.  It gives route 
information from Vancouver, BC to the Mexican/Calif border (~2000 miles).
The book costs about $13 (US).

Ray
From: albinus@first.gmd.de (Michael Albinus)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: 101 Tour Info needed
Keywords: 101, west coast
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:32:54 GMT
Distribution: rec

Hi,

I'm planning a bike tour at the west coast, perhaps from Vancouver to Tijuana
along the 101. Desperately, here in Germany it is *impossible* to get tour
infos. I've got only State maps of Washington, Oregon and California, but
it seems to poor to prepare such a ride from Europe. Could any kind soul give
me a pointer to ride infos (books etc.) or send me the info directly to Berlin?

Thanxs, Michael.
--
Michael Albinus,     e-mail: albinus@first.gmd.de

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Just a Winter Ride
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 19:31:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Just got back from a rolling 19 miler. (Bingham Hill to Lory for the
locals.) It was sunny, tempertaure about 35 F, and no wind. For the
first time in a long time I got it on the big chainring, got my pulse
in the 180's, felt the wind in my face, and the lactic acid in my
legs.  At the top of the last hill I saw around 18 deer with two bucks
in the herd.

Hang in there everybody. We're past the solstice and Spring is on the
way. Get out there and ride. Spring will be here before you know it.
From: ce011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Looking for Mountain biking opportunities in OHIO
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:51:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Hello,

I am looking for Mountain biking opportunities in OHIO.  If you know
of any either through books, personal experiences, or whatever; please
let me know!

Thank you for your help!

Sincerely,
Scott Erdman

Please email me your response.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: Rides in the Blacksburg VA area
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:10:22 GMT

> Bill Henderson writes:
>
> Alright all you Hokies out there,

That's me.
>
> Anyone out there know of any good rides between say 30 and 80 miles?

Blacksburg to Pearisburg and back should be pretty good.


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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:28:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1993Jan10.162809.17643
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin) writes:

>I am still figuring out what to buy for my planned trip down Highway 1 from
>Seattle to ?.  Are there any recommendations regarding camping-equipment,
>like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?), stoves
>(which one would YOU recommend?  MSR WhisperLite, MSR X-GK II, or Coleman
>Peak One?  money no object).

Yes, I have some opinions on some of this stuff.  Buy the Therm-A-Rest
"Campo Rest" model.  It is the 2 inch thick model.  The couple of extra
ounces that it weighs over their other models is MORE than offset by
the guaranteed good night's sleep that it offers.

For the stove, get the Coleman Peak 1 Multi-Fuel model.  Use it with
Coleman fuel here in the states, but it is easily converted to use
kerosene when abroad.  My friends and I have been using them for about
2 years now.  They have NEVER failed (or even been fussy) when the
temperature gets down to 0 deg. F, or at 12,000 ft. above sea-level.
Backpacker magazine rants and raves about it too.


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mfaison@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Michele Faison)
Subject: Eastern Tandem Rally
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 18:27:37 GMT

Just discovered that a bug in our network software changes
return addresses, and that the note I sent to the poster on
this topic never found him.  Whoever, please accept my
apologies.  I recall a SASE was requested, but no USPO address
was given.  Please send me your address, and I'll get that SASE
off to you.  

Thanks.

Michele Faison
From: lrxi00@icts01.Kodak.COM (James Nonnemacher)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Penn State to Allentown
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:24:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co

Does anyone know of a good route from Penn. State Univ. to Allentown Pa. ? I'm considering the ride
for this year.
From: fergie@hal.COM (Wendy Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Cycling Tour Groups Question
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:19:07 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vamoose.hal.com

Forum Travel International out of Pleasant Hill, CA...ever heard of 'em?

Have you heard of or taken a tour with this company?
They provide self-guided cycling tours; you tell them where you 
want to go, how many miles you want to travel per day and they provide 
bikes, make hotel reservations, etc. 

Friends are considering them for a tour of the Loire Valley in late June.  
While most tours travel the Loire from west to east, this tour goes 
from east to west.  Do prevailing winds blow from west to east? 
What are the wind conditions in the Loire Valley?

Please reply directly to me via email (type r and then your response) 
as I don't access the news net every day.

Thanks in advance,

fergie
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: ace@sawtooth.com (Ace O. Diamond)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Boise, Id rides
Keywords: boise area rides
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 21:37:22 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Greater Stanley, Idaho Chamber of Commerce

The best on-road ride in the Boise area is to ride up
Highway 21 through Idaho City and Lowman to Stanley.  
Take Highway 75 South out of Stanley to Ketchum.  The
best return route is to take the same route back.  
This is, of course, a summer ride.  This is really a
first-rate route, comparable in quality to the best roads
in the Sierra such as Ebbetts pass.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Moab Mountain Biking in June
From: jones@greg.cs.usu.edu (Gregory Jones)
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:57:54 MDT
Reply-To: jones@greg.cs.usu.edu (Gregory Jones)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

I want to take a group of 16 & 17 year old Scouts mountain biking in the Moab, Utah area sometime next June.  Are there any reservations that should be procured?  Who do I contact to do that?  Is there anything else you think I should be aware of?

--
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Department of Computer Science	    jones@greg.cs.usu.edu
Utah State University, Logan  UT  84322-4205
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: How to get to Rotterdam
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:03:58 GMT

> Brian E. Travis writes:
>
> Does anyone know if there are bicycle rentals near the ferry terminal in
> Hook?

Most train stations in Holland rent bicycles. Can't say for sure if the
station in Hoek van Holland does, though.

These rental bikes are of a standard design. No gears (well, one, actually),
big tires, generator lights, heavy frame. Because Holland is so flat, most
people don't mind this type of bike.

> If there are, how are the roads between there and Rotterdam...are they
> bicycle friendly?

Yes.
>
> What kind of local laws should I be aware of?

Riding on the road is prohibited if there's a cycle path parrallel to it.
>
> Is Rotterdam as bicycle-oriented as Amsterdam?

Yes.
>
> What is the theft potential?

If you're going to be riding a standard railroad station rental bike, there's
not much point in anyone stealing it.

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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law)
Subject: Re: Largest number of cyclists in a ride
Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:37:10 GMT

jackson@cc.und.ac.za (Clive Jackson) writes:

>Hi all,

>I'll be taking part in the Argus Cycle Tour in Cape Town, South Africa in 
>March this year. The cut off for the maximum number of cyclists is 17500. I 
>was wondering how this compares with similar mass rides in other countries.
>I would be grateful for any replies.

>Thanks,
>Clive.

The Great Melbourne Bike Ride (Australia) had 13,000 participants in its
second year last year. It's about 45km. Don't think we'll ever have a cutoff
if the Montreal ride can handle over 45,000.
The Great Victorian Bike Ride has had 5,500 particpants riding up to 600km in
9 days which equals 3.3million rider-kilomteres. We claim it's the biggest
"fully-catered" ride (to distinguish it from RAGBRAI).
Are we right? (Not that it really matters).

Steve
From: ck984@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Petr Podruh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: HELP
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:16:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


-----------
Hi all!
The students (10 person about)from Bohemia
(Czech republic) plan out ride on bycicles from 
Czech (Pilsen) to Italy (Venice) and back.
( Pilsen - Regensburg - Landshut - Haag -
  - Wasserburg - Prien - Sachrang - Kufstein -
  - Brixlegg - Insbruck - Brenner - Bolzano -
  - Trento - Rovereto - Garda - Verona -
  - Vincenza - Padova - Venice)
Dayly reach will be 150 km about.They need
some delivery van for transport of package.
Complete travel will be long 15 day about
in August/September. They want find any free
accomodation, becouse for Czech students are
camping and Youth Hostels in abroad very expansive.
Every sponsor or help is welcomed. The students are
able pay for fuel to automobile.
Please help us!
Thank you very much!

  -- Petr


--------------------------------------------------
Die Studenten (etwa 10 Personen) aus Bohemia planen
im Sommer eine Radreise aus Pilsen (Czech) 
zu Venice (Italy) und zuruck.
( Pilsen - Regensburg - Landshut - Haag -
 - Wasserburg - Prien - Sachrang - Kufstein -
 - Brixlegg - Insbruck - Brenner - Bolzano -
 - Trento - Rovereto - Garda - Verona -
 - Vincenza - Padova - Venezia )
Wir wollen taglich etwa 150 km wegfahren.
Fur unsere Reise suchen wir
den Zieferwagen wo wir Essen, die Gepacke usw. haben
konnen. Diese Raise wollen wir am August/September
unterhalten. Wir suchen die Unterkunft kostenlos
fur eine Nacht, denn fur die tschechische 
Studenten suid Camping und Youth Hostel (Jugendherbergen)
zu teuer .
Jede Hilfe oder Sponsor sind wilkommen.
Wir zahlen das Benzin fur Auto.
Falls, du bis ein Radfahrer und will mitfahren,
schreib auf !

Danke!

-- Petr
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: frankw@rice.edu (Frank Whitby)
Subject: Thanks for Bay area ride descriptions
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:07:40 GMT


I will be moving to the Bay area within the year.
I am glad to find ride descriptions in this group from
several riders.
If you are currently distributing them only to the 
Bay area, perhaps you would consider wider distribution
for people who are getting to know the roads from afar.

Thanks, Frank

Don't hold back on the Mtn. Bike ride info. also.


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Texas Centuries
Reply-To: gmack@paceline.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:55:43 GMT


I have heard that Texas Bicyclist magazine, the one that has been 
given away for free at nearly all of the bike shops, has gone out
of business.  Is this true?  If so, how are you finding out the
"when and where" of all the centuries in Texas this year?

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: keithv@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Vetter)
Subject: Bear Gulch Rd, Woodside:  Is it legal?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:45:55 GMT

I've been given conflicting information on whether it is legal for bicycles
to ride on Bear Gulch Rd between Skyline and Woodside.  The road is gated
and marked no bicycles.  However, one of the owners of Wheelsmiths told me
that even though parts of it are on private property, it is a public
easement and it is ok to ride on it.

Does anyone know anything definitive about Bear Gulch Rd?

Keith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Texas Centuries
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:02:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.015543.15419@oakhill.sps.mot.com> gmack@paceline.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>I have heard that Texas Bicyclist magazine, the one that has been 
>given away for free at nearly all of the bike shops, has gone out
>of business.  Is this true?  If so, how are you finding out the
>"when and where" of all the centuries in Texas this year?

There *should* be a new issue out right now.  The California version
came out this week and I seem to recall a mention of the Texas edition.
If you don't find a copy, let me know and I'll ask them if the Texas
version is still extant.

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