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From: louie@cbnewse.cb.att.com (louis.m.leciejewski)
Subject: Steps To Wealth
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:32:19 GMT

A friend of mine signed up with a company in Germany that sells a book
titled "STEPS TO WEALTH". The cost of the book is $100. You buy a copy
then if you get 3 more people to each buy a copy you become a "distributor"
and can eventually make around $300,000. I know this is a scam/chain
letter thing but what I want to know is has anyone ever heard of this
outfit selling this book? He wanted to sell me a copy and I declined but
he did find 3 other "suckers". I can't believe people really believe in
scams like this.

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Lou Leciejewski, WB9DKY - AT&T Bell Laboratories - att!ihlpm!loul (708)979-3382
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From: grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:54:25 GMT
Organization: Right Byte Industries, Ville St-Laurent Quebec Canada

voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> In article <wNNkVB1w164w@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca>, grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Ra
> > dihi@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl (Dick Hissink) writes:
> > 
> >> Hello Usenetworkmarketeers
> >> 
> >> Aboout 2 months ago I found a perfect company to start my network business
> >> with. The company is called NSA and is a company dealing with environmenta
> >> products. THE markte for the 90's. The company experiences a tremendous 
> >> growth. Right now I sponsor several people in my own vicinity. I like
> >> to expend my network international however. Does anybody have experience
> >> in long distance sponsoring? Please let me know!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dick Hissink 
> >> Email:dihi@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl
> > 
> > Suggest you check out the company a little more thoroughly.  NSA as an MLM 
> > is losing its appeal on this side of the Atlantic.  Many people have been 
> > stranded with basements or garages full of unsold filters.  Many of the NSA
> > leaders are leaving for other "opportunities".
> > 
> > G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
> > P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
> > Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
> 
> That is right!
> Oooops...
> 
> However  we all have to understand that NSA products have a better market in
> Europe, because there are more living units over there. Yoi see they do not
> have as many houses as here and they live in apparetments, therefore NSA is
> doing OK over there. thay. However hey You folks in Europe be
> carefull..Randolph Bickerton is right about garages...I do not think I can
> drink as much water as I can filter with mine 
> inventory of NSA, tlking of air....
> Greg.

I feel I must comment further.  No one has talked about the quality of the 
NSA products!  It is my understanding that better filters exist, some also 
MLM, for a similar price.  Their air products also lack a quality/price 
relationship.  The best thing about NSA is their true success in the market 
by moving product from Nashville to wherever - they even get paid upfront!

G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: EARN MONEY STUFFING ENVELOPES
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:30:32 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <BzIIv8.GEu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, ryno@sage.cc.purdue.edu (POOH BEAR) writes:
> 	If you are interested in earning a great supplemental income,
>         stuffing envelopes. send a SASE to :
> 
> 			STUDENT STUFFERS
> 			348-3 W. Oak St.
> 			West Lafayette, In.
> 					47906
> 
DEAR FRIEND
I THINK YOU NEED TO POST IT IN A DIFFEREBT GROUP.
MLM IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAT STUFFING ENVELOPES...
MLM IS A PROGRAMM THAT PROVIDES YOU  WITH CONTINUES INCOME MONTH T MONTH..
TALKING OF MYSELF I'D RATHER STUFF MY PACKET THAN EVELOPES...OOOPS!
ONCE YOU ARE HERE HOWEVER TAKE A LOOK READ AND ENJOY IF YOU WANT TO GET
INVOLVED WITH US Y O U  A R E  W E L C O M E!

GRIGORY VOYKHANSKY

LIVE 48 MONTH BY COMMITMENT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THE REST OF LIFE BY CHOICE!
From: grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Quorum Int'l info please
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:06:06 GMT
Organization: Right Byte Industries, Ville St-Laurent Quebec Canada

ben@cc.gatech.edu (Ben Cowan) writes:

>   If anybody has any info on an MLM company called Quorum International, I
> would appreciate it if you could forward it my way.  I'm not talking about
> how-to-join info.  I already have that.  I want to know of any successes
> with the firm, any scam reports, commendations, complaints, or any other
> pluses or minuses anybody has.
> 
> Thanks much,
> Ben...
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Benjamin H. Cowan                       ||   Reply to:  ben@cc.gatech.edu
> Georgia Tech... Atlanta, Georgia  30332 ||   ****************************
> =============================================================================
> 
> maturity (ma' chur a tee) n. 1: The state of knowing when it is acceptable to
>   be immature.  2: A state of being that every female claims the male sex
>   lacks.

Everything I know about the company is very positive.  I signed on very 
early after the article in "Success".  Although I am inactive - the product 
are not for me - its also somewhat safer in Canada than the US. - my upline 
is very well organized.  Called the American Marketing Alliance they maintan 
maintain a separate support center.  I can fax the center and they will send 
an info pack FedEX to anyone I want; they either charge my VISA/MC or the 
receipents VISA/MC - the package arrives 1-2 days later. 

We also receive numerous FAxes - the upline of AMA is another group called  
Axiss Marketing based in Alberta.  The  bottom line is the company is very 
well organized, the products seems well received, and many people are making 
good $ on the program.  But as I said the program's not for me.  Right now 
I'm working on a new pet nutrition & pet care product line recently 
launched in Canada and soon to expand to the USA.  Quorum is a single 
product sale - very little repeat business - the pet products are 
consumables - sustancial repeat business - better long term growth for me.

G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:40:02 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfcgf.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Ron Beck (rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com) wrote:
: This is what I like about my Amway business.  They discourage the "garage
: loading" concept.  We work more on a "just in time" ordering system.  By
: doing this I have no inventory to deal with.  What comes in on a weekly basis
: also goes out on a weekly basis.  It's in the house for maybe 5 hours at most.
: Ain't it great!

Well, greater than the NSA "garage loading", that's for sure -- on the
other hand, I know of people here in town who have a small WAREHOUSE
to hold their Amway inventory.

Personally, I prefer a system where it doesn't come into my house AT ALL.
Why should I get in the loop between my company and the customer?
The company can deliver it to the customer almost as easily as they can
deliver it to me, and it makes MY life (and that of my downline) a whole
lot easier.

Gary
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:32:28 GMT

In article fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz) writes:

>Personally, I prefer a system where it doesn't come into my house AT ALL.
>Why should I get in the loop between my company and the customer?
>The company can deliver it to the customer almost as easily as they can
>deliver it to me, and it makes MY life (and that of my downline) a whole
>lot easier.

From what I've heard, Amway is moving in that direction.  Now, a distributor
can sign their customers up on Priority Service, and in this service, the
customer directly orders product from Amway using a toll-free number and
a credit card.  The wholesale/retail profit as well as points is credited
to the distributor who signed them up.  In principle, the distributor would
never need to contact the customer, but common sense, as well as Amway's
suggestion is that you periodically follow up to make sure everything is
going well, as well as to introduce them to new products, etc.

In the near future (near can be 6 months to 5 years), each distributor will
be able to order what Amway products (as 'eaches') they need for personal use
and for customers who don't want to be on Priority Service.  This is now the
case for non-Amway products.  The reason why Amway can't move any faster is
because of the size of the business, etc.  The database system to handle all
this information (so all distributors can be properly credited and paid their
share of the bonus for all of their downline business), is a major undertaking,
which Amway is presently pursuing aggressively.

Jon Noring

-- 

Charter Member of the INFJ Club.

Now, if you're just dying to know what INFJ stands for, be brave, e-mail me,
and I'll send you some information.  It WILL be worth the inquiry, I think.

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Who are you?  Read alt.psychology.personality!  That's where the action is.
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:35:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Steps To Wealth
Organization: HP in Mt View, CA
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

In alt.business.multi-level, louie@cbnewse.cb.att.com (louis.m.leciejewski) writes:

> A friend of mine signed up with a company in Germany that sells a book
> titled "STEPS TO WEALTH". The cost of the book is $100. You buy a copy
> then if you get 3 more people to each buy a copy you become a "distributor"
> and can eventually make around $300,000. I know this is a scam/chain
> letter thing but what I want to know is has anyone ever heard of this
> outfit selling this book? He wanted to sell me a copy and I declined but
> he did find 3 other "suckers". I can't believe people really believe in
> scams like this.

I have never heard of this book but why are you asking for information?
It seems to me that you already have the answer -- you're calling it a
scam.  Why call it a scam and then try to get the facts?  Shouldn't it
be the other way around - get the facts and then judge?

just wondering...

Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: ben@cc.gatech.edu (Ben Cowan)
Subject: Quorum Int'l info please
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:56:59 GMT
Reply-To: ben@cc.gatech.edu (Ben Cowan)
X-Posted-From: cloudgen2.cc.gatech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

  If anybody has any info on an MLM company called Quorum International, I
would appreciate it if you could forward it my way.  I'm not talking about
how-to-join info.  I already have that.  I want to know of any successes
with the firm, any scam reports, commendations, complaints, or any other
pluses or minuses anybody has.

Thanks much,
Ben...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benjamin H. Cowan                       ||   Reply to:  ben@cc.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech... Atlanta, Georgia  30332 ||   ****************************
================================================================================

maturity (ma' chur a tee) n. 1: The state of knowing when it is acceptable to
  be immature.  2: A state of being that every female claims the male sex
  lacks.
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: AIESEC Anybody
From: cwhi2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Dean          Whitmore       )
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:20:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I want to know is this is the right place to post about AIESEC -I forgot to
read my reply and it expired.  Any help would be good!

Thank You
Craig Whitmore
.

From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 17:29:15 GMT
Subject: Re: scam!
Organization: in Mt View, CA
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

I am not familiar with the Patriot's Network, but I can give
my understanding of what makes any MLM legal in the eyes of 
the FTC (Federal Trade Commission).

Basically, "pyramids" are illegal, and the FTC has defined 
a "pyramid" as (essentially) any organizational structure in
which a new member has no chance to make _more_ money than
their sponsor (person above them in the organization).

Stay away from any MLM that wants you to invest a lot of 
money up front in inventory (loading).  

You might try calling the FTC or the BBB and asking them
about the Patriot's Network.  Check them out, make sure
they have a proven track record.  I would be wary of any
young (< 5 yrs old) MLM company.  Consider this:  you
spend many hours building a network of people... you've
been building for 4 years and now have a network of 500
people...  suddenly, your supplier goes bankrupt (lots 
of those happening these days) or decides to cash out,
close the business, take the profit, and run (usually
indicative of a scam that the FTC is catching on to).
Result: You are left high and dry - and, out of business!

Good Luck!
Lou
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.004218.45708@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> >> 
|> >> However  we all have to understand that NSA products have a better market in
|> >> Europe, because there are more living units over there. Yoi see they do not
|> >> have as many houses as here and they live in apparetments, therefore NSA is
|> >> doing OK over there. thay. However hey You folks in Europe be
|> >> carefull..Randolph Bickerton is right about garages...I do not think I can
|> >> drink as much water as I can filter with mine 
|> >> inventory of NSA, tlking of air....
|> >> Greg.
|> > 
|> > I feel I must comment further.  No one has talked about the quality of the 
|> > NSA products!  It is my understanding that better filters exist, some also 
|> > MLM, for a similar price.  Their air products also lack a quality/price 
|> > relationship.  The best thing about NSA is their true success in the market 
|> > by moving product from Nashville to wherever - they even get paid upfront!
|> > 
|> > G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
|> > P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
|> > Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
|> 
|> THE BETTER FILTERS ARE MADE BY FULLER BRUSH COMPANY. THEY CALLED FullerGuard
|> and they are better quality. they are on sale now for 169.99 you can also
|> change cartridges on thoses. They only cost $61.00 and lasts for about 2 years.
|> To order call (913)749-5792.
|> And please, hey someone ghet my NSA junk of my garage, will youy!!!!...
|> Oooops.

You might also want to check out the Amway Water Treatment System as well
as the Air Purification system.  The water treatment system was tested by
"a leading consumer magazine" and was one of the top three if I remember
correctly.  It too has a replacable filter.

I have no data on the air purifier but I understand it's pretty good.  Talk
to your friendly neighborhood Amway distributor or post to this newsgroup
for further info.
Ron
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From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 17:31:20 GMT
Subject: Re: scam!
Organization: in Mt View, CA
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

In alt.business.multi-level, IO20746@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

> Hey,

>     Is the patriot's network legal or not...?


BTW, your basenote title is not very descriptive.
Your question above would have worked nicely as the basenote title:

Is Patriot's Network legal?


scam!     is a statement, not a question


just $.02

Lou
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:37:38 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <wNNkVB1w164w@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca>, grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton) writes:
> dihi@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl (Dick Hissink) writes:
> 
>> Hello Usenetworkmarketeers
>> 
>> Aboout 2 months ago I found a perfect company to start my network business
>> with. The company is called NSA and is a company dealing with environmental
>> products. THE markte for the 90's. The company experiences a tremendous 
>> growth. Right now I sponsor several people in my own vicinity. I like
>> to expend my network international however. Does anybody have experience
>> in long distance sponsoring? Please let me know!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dick Hissink 
>> Email:dihi@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl
> 
> Suggest you check out the company a little more thoroughly.  NSA as an MLM 
> is losing its appeal on this side of the Atlantic.  Many people have been 
> stranded with basements or garages full of unsold filters.  Many of the NSA 
> leaders are leaving for other "opportunities".
> 
> G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
> P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
> Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109

That is right!
Oooops...

However  we all have to understand that NSA products have a better market in
Europe, because there are more living units over there. Yoi see they do not
have as many houses as here and they live in apparetments, therefore NSA is
doing OK over there. thay. However hey You folks in Europe be
carefull..Randolph Bickerton is right about garages...I do not think I can
drink as much water as I can filter with mine 
inventory of NSA, tlking of air....
Greg.
From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:25:26 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfcgf.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

For some interesting information about NSA, I suggest calling 904-332-6017.
This is a lengthy message listing all the criminal charges, injunctions,
cease-and-desist orders, and so forth lodged against NSA.

Actually, the current message (dated Nov. 2 1992) sounds a whole lot better
than the first time I called the number.  It sounds like the many criminal
charges filed against NSA in Canada have been plea-bargained and/or dismissed,
which I don't understand given the preponderance of evidence against NSA.
(E.g. that their filters are NOT bacteriostatic as claimed, that they have
only 1/10th the claimed useful lifespan before bacteria becomes unsafe, etc.)

The fact that NSA has SO many legal actions against them, in dozens of
US states and in Canada, should give one reason to question the honesty
and validity of the company.

Gary


PS:  Grigory, the current message has information about injunctions against
NSA forcing them to offer refunds to "garage-qualified" distributors.
Maybe you can get rid of all those filters in your garage...
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: kleng@terapin.com (Keith Leung)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: .
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:13:10 PST
Organization: BBS


 /a
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: to all Re: Long distance sponsoring
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:42:18 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>> 
>> However  we all have to understand that NSA products have a better market in
>> Europe, because there are more living units over there. Yoi see they do not
>> have as many houses as here and they live in apparetments, therefore NSA is
>> doing OK over there. thay. However hey You folks in Europe be
>> carefull..Randolph Bickerton is right about garages...I do not think I can
>> drink as much water as I can filter with mine 
>> inventory of NSA, tlking of air....
>> Greg.
> 
> I feel I must comment further.  No one has talked about the quality of the 
> NSA products!  It is my understanding that better filters exist, some also 
> MLM, for a similar price.  Their air products also lack a quality/price 
> relationship.  The best thing about NSA is their true success in the market 
> by moving product from Nashville to wherever - they even get paid upfront!
> 
> G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
> P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
> Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109

THE BETTER FILTERS ARE MADE BY FULLER BRUSH COMPANY. THEY CALLED FullerGuard
and they are better quality. they are on sale now for 169.99 you can also
change cartridges on thoses. They only cost $61.00 and lasts for about 2 years.
To order call (913)749-5792.
And please, hey someone ghet my NSA junk of my garage, will youy!!!!...
Oooops.
From: wjames@cse.ucsc.edu (John Amenta)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Mysterious Galaxy and New Knowledge
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:27:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pal.ucsc.edu


>> Right.  I once heard something along those lines.  All the other
>> predatory animals had neat stuff like claws or ultrasonic hearing to
>> give them an advantage.  We didn't, so developed phenomena like ESP.
>> Which brings me to an interesting point.
>> If we didn't know that some animals (like bats)
>> communicated via ultrasound, might it seem to us that they were somehow
>> using ESP or telepathy?  Maybe what we think of as paranormal abilities
>> are nothing more than a type of communication that we haven't yet developed
>> the technology to detect.  Once we do, there will be nothing "supernatural"
>> about it.

Indeed.  If there is anything one can depend on in the history of
human Science, is that there is always much more to the Universe and
Reality than was known before.  We live in an incredible large mystery
of a Galaxy, where we are attempting to unravel the truth of it with
brains that don't even know how they function themselves, and with eyes
that cannot conceive of how they see but they do!  And isn't it funny,
that whenever new knowledge begins to show itself on the academic
horizon (such as psychical research) history always brings up men who
are violently opposed to even the possibility of a new piece of the
mystery being revealed?
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Subject: Re: info request
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:00:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer
Followup-To: alt.paranormal

In article <20017@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com
(Tony Zugates) wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how to subscribe to something called 
> the Skeptical Inquirer?  
> 
> Thanks all.

The address from the current issue is:

The Skeptical Inquirer
Box 703
Buffalo, NY  14226-0703



- Lorin Hawley