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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:51:00 CST
From:         CSDOUG@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      Appeasement

While I will agree that the US did nothing to help the situation, and, in
fact, by pushing for a united Yugoslavia (as it did for the USSR) only made
the situation worse, but why should the US take the lead in doing something
that is in Europe's own yard?  Haven't the Europeans (esp. the French) been
pushing to get the US out of European affairs?  So the US leaves it up
to Europe, and now gets blamed for not doing anything.  If Europe won't
commit men and arms, why should the US?  And once again we go back to the
problem that the one country that has tried to push a non-appeasement stance,
Germany, is instantly nailed to the wall for pushing a Nazi-hegemony over
Central Europe.  As I mentioned in an earlier message, the saying among
the US military forces is that Europeans will defend themselves down to
the last American life.  True, that's rather harsh, but when are the
Europeans going to stand up to obvious agression in their own back yard,
even if it means using troops?  Appeasing tyrants only encourages them.
And talk has yet to stop one.

Doug Hall
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:15:00 N
From:         Guenther Augustin <AUGUSTIN@DHDMPI50.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: European Appeasement

>
>Maybe some fo the EUropean members of this list could explain the apparent
>European fascination with appeasement, esp. in their own backyard -- Bosnia-
>Herzegovina being the latest example.  Is there a belief that if you
>appease a "madman" long enough, he'll turn out to be your "friend"?
>

Maybe. You never know what goes on in some politicians minds, and you're
sometimes even surprised about their late discoveries - see Mr Carrington
lately.
I suppose it will rather be either the idea that you simply do something
(actionism), but it doesn't really affects you (you close your borders and ask
refugees for visas, and then the conflict can be quite far away ...).
Or you simply try to survive the "madman" (eventually have him weakened by the
conflict - see Stalin vs. Hitler / but this is only one possible interpretation
of that relation).

>True,
>the U.S. has the reputation of "shooting first, asking questions later" but
>twice this century we have fought in Europe, the last time directly tied
>to Munich 1938 (whether or not we fought on the "right" side in WWI is
>debatable).
>
> Doug Hall
> CSDOUG@STMARYTX
>

In this special case I would not debate about the "right" side, but about
fighting at all. Anyway this is off the subject.
The temptation of appeasement and pacifism might come from the horrors that
Europe had experienced during this century (BTW May I ask when you had the last
war in the U.S. ? I mean on the territory of the U.S. and not declaring a war
and  fighting abroad ). So there (fortunately) is no more "just" war, but also
the idea of "necessary" wars is not any more accepted on wide scale.
Now what makes a war necessary ? Either a war that you can't avoid later, so
you try to find the most adequate starting position for yourself.
And then there still are things even worse than wars (at least so called
conventional wars).
Another reason might be diplomacy. In European history you can find quite a few
foreign ministers who became quite famous. It might not be enough to speak
about a tradition, but it not very hard to understand that todays diplomats
strive to similar fame - by negotiations, which are a widely accepted means of
foreign policy, in contrast to agression. And of course this is a good job , as
long as it doesn't become an equivalent of sacrificing human lives for this
aim.
About the last thing that should happen when this crisis comes to an end,
is the international recognition of a map of Ex-YU "redesigned" by Serbia.
But you never know ... and sometimes it happens even worse.

  Cynically yours

    auge
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:45:00 CST
From:         CSDOUG@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      European Appeasement

Maybe some fo the EUropean members of this list could explain the apparent
European fascination with appeasement, esp. in their own backyard -- Bosnia-
Herzegovina being the latest example.  Is there a belief that if you
appease a "madman" long enough, he'll turn out to be your "friend"?  True,
the U.S. has the reputation of "shooting first, asking questions later" but
twice this century we have fought in Europe, the last time directly tied
to Munich 1938 (whether or not we fought on the "right" side in WWI is
debatable).

 Doug Hall
 CSDOUG@STMARYTX
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:45:00 N
From:         Guenther Augustin <AUGUSTIN@DHDMPI50.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Common Monetary System?

>on the TV in the lobby of a hotel in Beroun. None else present, seemed at all
>interested, I am afraid.  Later  I was surprised to find the vast majority of
>my countrymen whom I talked to in Central Bohemia and Prague the competely
>independant Slovak State as an issue had already been finally worn out. The
>Czechs are already discussing the pragmatic problems of future, e.g. monetary
>reform and other measures concerning the national interest of the Czech State
>which will continue its one thousand years old tradition.
This pragmatic attitude on the one hand, and the melancholy of unrecoverable
loss reminds me of the german reunification process. It was just about the
same, only in the other direction (unification instead of secession).
And again the world looks upon it with mixed feelings, while those directly
involved are (still) enthusiastic about their perspectives. The future might
not be as nice as everybody thinks, but there are still things that have to be
done, no matter how hard or inconvenient they are : the separation seems to be
one of them, and that must be admitted even by those who don't like it for one
or another reason.

>It would be somewhat difficult anyway, for the Czechs are not feeling
>and in fact are really not crashed at all. And they will not be unless
>Mr Klaus makes a bad mistake and accepts a common monetary system. This
>is the barricade the Czechs have to defend now by any means! If the Slovaks
>want to become _really_ independent and sovreign, they cannot share the Czech
>crown! No way!
>
>Regards,
>
>M. Havranek. Stuttgart, FRG
Applause. You are so right. Even if I might repeat myself: it's (almost)
always about the money. I remember the controversial debate on the
currency union between the FRG and the GDR. Even the toughest critics must now
admit that is was right (but that does not excuse many other mistakes).
So keep your currencies apart and take good care of the rest ;-)

 Regards

 auge
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I recently offended and potentially caused someone unneeded problems
by quoting him without his permission. I quoted a reply made to me
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I am now more aware of the discomfort that can accidently be caused
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From:         The Observer <moehn@MAX.MPIP-MAINZ.MPG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      Cool welcome for UN in Bosnia

    Report from the news magazine Heute-Journal, 23.07.1992

The UN troops in Sarajevo seem to be greeted with a cool welcome. A German
TV team issued to Drobrinja, under Serbarian artillery fire now for weeks,
interviewed some citizens and got replies like these:
- "About food we can look for ourselves. What we need is arms."
- "We do not want bread, we want weapons."
- "The UN shall rather militarily intervene."
- "We have no need for their food, we have need for peace. And for getting
   peace we have to get rid of the Serbs."
- "All they do is keep telling us that they have no mandate. Unless all
   the Serbs are driven away there will be no peace here."
A Sarajevan newspaper (or what is left of it) exhibits on his floors a
series of anti-Serbian, anti-EC, and anti-UN cartoons. An example showed
by the cameras said: "Serbia is hiding behind the UN."
The commander of the UN troops, Gen. MacKenzie, has already received
several assassination threats because he allows Serbarians to be fed, too.
His comment: "We have already fed 300 000 people, but just one of them
said thanks." The one was Bosnian President Isbetgovic.
Official registrations count 50 000 casualties from the Serbarian aggression,
estimates add a further 50 000 civilians, women and children included, from
massacres, and 1.5 to 2 million refugees.
No doubt, Bosnia is treading on a very long, very dark way into the
future.

The Observer
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From:         Guenther Augustin <AUGUSTIN@DHDMPI50.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: South Serbia

> >
> >Meanwhile, in Germany there is growing certainty that the "ethnical
> >purification" of entire Bosnia is history's final word about a state
> >which wanted to be sovereign. People seem to settle with the notion
> >that the non-Serbian refugees, once being elsewhere, will never get
> >a chance to return. Silent nod of the three great arsehole organizations:
> >The UN, the EC, and the CSCE.
> >
> >The Observer
>
>
>One does not have to work for the German government, be German or pro-German,
>be a fan of German foreign policy, or a fan of anything even remotely German
>- or, for that matter, even share Germany's side of the Atlantic - to,
>sadly, agree with the pessimistic view of the Balkans epxressed above.
>It's too easy to dump on Germany (not that at times it doesn't only
>too well deserve it) to hide our own rationalizations and prejudices -
>our own sins, in other words.
>
>AK
>

Even as a german I must agree to you, dear AK !

Regarding the "ethnical purification" of Bosnia: can you imagine what the
reaction would be, if e.g. the german government would even just THINK of
similar measures taken in one of their neighbouring regions (e.g. Silesia or
the "Sudetenland") ?
The european appeasement policy is meanwhile a real shame for the "old
continent".

  auge
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From:         The Observer <moehn@MAX.MPIP-MAINZ.MPG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      Havel

Dubcek?
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:58:05 EDT
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Havel

  The US papers (NY Times, Boston Globe and others) carry today a
front page picture of Havel and a story of his presidency. His reviews
are certainly as good as that of any of his plays, the best--for a
Czechoslovak politician--since Thomas Masaryk, the founder of
Czechoslovakia (who, incidentally, was half Moravian and half Slovak
by origin). But never mind the missed opportunities; they may yet
reemerge.

  What is somewhat bothersome is that all the stories about Havel
include the statement that he was defeated for another term as
President by the Slovak nationalists. This is, of course, the truth, but
not the whole truth. Havel was defeated by an alliance of Meciar's
party, the Slovak National Party and the Communists. In the Slovak
half of the Chamber of Nations (Snemovna narodu), Havel got only 18
votes (in the second round where a simple majority was required) of
the possible 75. This cannot be explained simply by the Meciar and
the Slovak Party's deputies voting as told by their leaders; it
required the active cooperation of Mr. Peter Weiss,one of the
deputy chairmen of the Slovak parliament and the boss of the
Communist Party of Slovakia --whatever he may call his organization
now (Mr. Weiss was, until recently, one of the most ardent
supporters and teachers of Marxism-Leninism in Slovakia).

   Nor did the Czech left, especially the Communist Party of Bohemia
and Moravia, behave much differently. In the Chamber of the People
(the lower house of parliament) Havel got 79 votes out of 150, which
was only a simple majority. The 71 votes against him were cast,
without much doubt, by a coalition of Communists, Slovak
nationalists and the Czech neo-fascists led by Mr. Miroslav Sladek.

   One should not, of course, draw drastic conclusions from a single
occurrence. Nevertheless, the warning that these voting statistics in
opposition to an internationally respected humanist and democrat
present, must be taken seriously. After all, there have been several
poor-man's versions of the Stalin-Hitler pact in the past. We can only
hope that this is not yet another one. Fortunately, the international
situation strongly suggests that even if it were, it would be a self-
defeating enterprise. Nevertheless, any Western businessman in his
right mind (and I happen to talk to a lot of them) will not be able to
dismiss this lightly when it comes to investing in the Slovak Republic.

  Regretfully, H.K.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:06:49 CDT
From:         Hae-young Rieh Hwang <hwang@eff.org>
Subject:      Re: Internet Access

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Duane Harbin posted following message.

>I am interested in the various ways that individuals and institutions can
>get access to Internet resources, particularly e-mail, list participation,
>telnet, ftp, and Usenet news. I understand that some Internet sites will
>provide accounts on their systems to non-profit institutions in their area
>at reasonable cost. I also understand that there are some commercial vendors
>who offer access to Internet services.
>

I had done a search about individual's access to Internet on March.  I
think it would be helpful for many friends of PACS-L people.  This is not a
complete guide by all means and might be outdated already, but could be a
good source I believe.
Hae-young Rieh Hwang

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Does PRO-CITE automatically format a bibliography in any of several popular
formats, such as APA, Science magazine, etc? I use End-Link and especially like
its ability to format Bibs in about 12 different formats. However,
since it seems most internet references are to PRO-CITE, I would recommend that
because of the breadth of its use, if it is as flexible.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:45:36 CDT
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      18th century STC

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There is a three page article on the Eighteenth Century Short Title Catalog,
in both its CDROM and online forms, in the latest Chronicle of Higher
Education, 7/22/92, pages A-15 to A-17.  The latter page also has a brief
announcement of the SUNY "electronic library" that will link 64 campuses.

dan

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Subject:      Re: Personal Digital Assistant (PDA) technology

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I see a PDA as my next computer but one (just bought a 486sx; plan
on a laptop in 2-3 years; then a PDA).  I think patrons will go to
libraries and hook into the OPAC with a PDA and search as they walk around.
Students will use 8 1/2 x 11" ones to take notes in class, getting a
digitized set afterwards.

BUT, I am probably too conservative. 100 years ago to now is probably
less of a technological change than now to 2092.
Yikes!  Imagine how much rap music there'll be then!!!

Bob Strauss
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Subject:      Job announcement - Reference & Technical Support Manger

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