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From: connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:26:22 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:

> Jesus can show you all your
> true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
> with each other in industry.

And if at first you don't succeed, some friendly fanatic will always be 
there to help you find the way he thinks is right for you.
(Ya gotta love 'em. They may not know exactly what the Bible says, but 
they've had it read to them quite a few times.)

> If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
> them do unto you", 
> there would be no problems in society.AA

Yeah! We could all sit around the hearth, discussing the Bible, scan new 
records for dirty words or ones that might sound dirty if we twist them 
around right, sing hymns, and burn books that our pastor/priest/etc. has 
told us are evil. Oops, except that there would be no /etc.'s. We'd want 
others to convert us to the one correct religion, so we'd convert everyone 
to the one Church that we know is right. (it'd make things a bit kinky if
the above author was also into S&M, wouldn't it?)

And once we've converted you, and you followed our intepretations of Jesus 
and our moral codes and our sexual repessions and embarrassments, there 
would be absolutely no problems! Besides, whoever heard of two groups 
fighting agaist each other when each followed the same god? What would 
they do, each claim that God was on their side? Impossible!

> -Sgreever
> E-mail me at sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu
-- 
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"For some of these same Quakers are the most sanguinary of all...| -H.Melville
 They are fighting Quakers; they are Quakers with a vengeance."  | "Moby Dick"
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
From: phutter@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (PATRICK HUTTER)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:58:20 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

>I'll take a stab at this...

>Cyberpunk and industrial music both generally include very little
>emotion - and what emotion there is is usually channeled into your
>standard macho hate vibes. Women, in general, are quite less inhibited
>about expressing themselves emotionally. Therefore - it's quite
>naturally that something as bleak as most industrial music and cp will
>alienate most gals out there. CP and industrial therefore become
>predominiately male, since their context is male-oriented.

>Any other questions?

>Joshua Houk
>-- 
>houk@athena.cs.uga.edu * email for rockin' indie-list info!

It is obvious that you have not met many women in your life, or you just 
plain ignored them. Stating that women are, in general, "quite less 
inhibited about expressing themselves emotionally" is ridiculous. Some of 
the people I have met, who express the most emotional, are women. There is 
no such thing as male and female emotions: they are all the same. The only 
difference between male and female (aside of the obvious physical ones) is 
that women have the strength to give birth, something I, as a male, know men 
can not.


							Greetings,

							Macbeth

Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5574 alt.industrial:640 alt.sex:35462 alt.sex.bondage:21425
From: salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 10 Nov 1992 04:13:39 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov9.045732.19317@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire) writes:
>I agree. I believe that churches should not be in the moneymaking business,

	Yes, tax church property if it is not related directly to
worship, and don't allow for activities on a non-profit basis that
are political and not related to worship or to charity.


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From: dmatiske@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (david matiskella)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Reply-To: dmatiske@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (david matiskella)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:07:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.041423.16271@highlite.uucp>, mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik) writes:
|> u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >Look the bible has to be fatally flawed - If Jesus was Jewish, how did he
|> >end up with a Mexican name?
|> 
|> The real funny thing is that everyone seems to assume that
|> Jesus existed.
|> 
|> 	-Mike
|> 
|> >Cheers
|> >John
|> 
|> 
|> >--
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	Actually the exsistence of Jesus is accepted by almost all historians. Thier are enough outside record to confirm  his exsitence. wether or not he was a God or not is another matter.
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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:

	[spiel urging us to believe in Jesus Christ...]

>If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>them do unto you", 

	What does that have to do with Jesus Christ, who violated that
teaching several times (would he like to be called a "blind guide" and
a "snake" who will not escape being sent to Hell)?

>there would be no problems in society.AA

	Prove it.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Cyberpunk 'Zines
From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 12:24:52 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

        Besides MONDO... does anyone know any NON-COMMERCIALLY produced 
'Zines (fanzines) that are reasonably priced and only cover CyberPunk? 
Mondo is too commercial, and lame (just in my opinion, I'm sure there is 
a market for it). But I mean just like guys makin them outta their 
basements. Addresses and prices would be most appreciated!
 
Thanks in Advance
 
/|\Doug/|\
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From: furiop@sage4b.its.rpi.edu (Paul Joseph Furio)
Subject: Ono-Sendai
Reply-To: furiop@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:16:56 GMT

Actually, Ono-Sendai is an actual company manufacturing VR equipment.  they are fairly new and I believe took the name from Gibson's book.  They had an ad in Mondo 2000 a while back and were supposed to send me some stuff.  Oh well.
-Paul J. Furio
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:37:37 GMT

In article <BxK81I.6I2@conexch.uucp> dan@conexch.uucp (Dan Mahoney) writes:
>Question - Why is this thread in this newsgroup?
>
Because this in an UNmoderated group... part of that freedom of speech thing.

>-- 
>Daniel Mahoney                  Opinions expressed herein are those of the
>Comarco, Inc.                   author, and do not reflect the opinions of
>714-282-3828                    Comarco Inc. or any of it officers.
>
From: virus23@sizone.UUCP (Darren Wershler-Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: VIRUS 23 No. $
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:36:59 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

Virus 23 No. $
$7.00 from:

VIRUS 23
BOX 46
RED DEER, ALBERTA
CANADA  T4N 5E7

"Wild ideas abound on the margins, and sometimes they coalesce into one 
heap of weird stuff.  One such is VIRUS 23, full of Hilbert Space and 
Thee Temple Ov Psychick Youth and the New Age and strange drugs and 
shamanism and more.  They cover cyberpunk and Crowley with equal elan, 
investigate brain machines and reprint the weirder bits of mainstream 
news they run across.  They also discuss the joys of fake news, throwing 
their own memes into the growing pool of disinformation that surrounds 
us."

--Mike Gunderloy & Cari Goldberg Janice, _The World of Zines_, p. 11.

VIRUS 23 No. $ (that's right, homeboy, "$", not "4") is now available 
from the bright lights at A.D.o.S.A., the Alberta Department of Spiritual 
Affairs (address above).  For seven measly federal reserve notes, you 
get:

-Articles on the Generation X/Slacker/twentysomething meme:
        -Enslaved by the Reality Blur
        -When Flower Power Turns to Compost
        -Thalidomide, the Super-soldier and Me
        -reviews of _American Psycho_ and _Generation X_

-Articles on weird Canadian films and filmmakers:
        -Strangled By An Intestine! (Guy Maddin interview)
        -Making Movies in 2 Dimensions (Brian Stockton/Brett Bell intr.)
        -Angst & Dread (Gerald Saul interview)

-Articles on vampires and worse things:
        -I Was A Teenage Vampire (vampires... in Edmonton)
        -I Sing the Body Dismembered (films of sicko Dario Argento)

-Articles on cutting edge new music:
        -Regionalism, Wave Pools, & God (Rose McDowell interview)
        -the loved one Stomp Through Rock World & Hurl
        -Meeting Like minds (John Ayres of IAO CORE)

-Articles on (post)cyberpunk:
        -review of _The Difference Engine_
        -Turbulent Ironies (Jack Womack interview)

-Strange fiction:
        -the Lindbergh Incident
        -The Genesis Dream
        -Jehovah Whimsical (and the Nature of Being)

-Even stranger poetry:
        -fractal & concrete works by Oberc and Christian Book

-Newage (rhymes with...)
        -Deep Inside the Brotherhood of Balder (pan-European pagans 
         unite!)
        -The Cold Force of Sleep (Antero Alli on being a Marginal Guy)

-Memes:
        -A Memetic Lexicon (Glenn Grant updates his glossary)
        -Memeorabilia (a double whammy of editorial glee)

-Plus:
        -stunning art by Don David, Tom Bagley, Urania 235, and many more
        -equally stunning photography by... a bunch of other people
        -attitude and smarts to spare

...all this in an attractive 8 1/2 x 11" perfect-bound zine.  How can you 
lose?

"A metaphysical pit-bull that'll rip your nervous system to shreds"

--Mark & Carla frauenfelder, _bOING bOING_ #7

Don't just sit there gawping... go order it now!

Darren Wershler-Henry @ Sonic Interzone <sizone!virus23@ee.ryerson.ca>
ADoSA: because there's no reason not to Gnow
From: dsimon@informix.com (Don Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:34:06 GMT
Reply-To: dsimon@informix.com
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Informix Software

In article 29127@wixer.cactus.org, wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.233813.29432@u.washington.edu> space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.033958.19746@wixer.cactus.org> wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>Does anyone know if the eteeemed William Gibson is on the net?  (I'm
>>>sure he is, but it remains to be seen WHERE.)  I have a question
>>>or two to ask him.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Well I'd say read that FAQ but then I could be accused of tooting my horn so I
>>won't say it. Why don't you post your questions here and we'll answer or forward
>>them 8>
>>
>>
>well, actually, I would read the FAQ if ti was available; I guess the next 
>time it gets posted I shall.  Anyway, all I really wanted to ask him is 
>if I could use the name 'Ono-Sendai' in a story I'm writing....  but who 
>the hell kjnows where that's going; perhaps I should just worry about it
>when I get to that point.  
>
>What about Stephen Donaldson (or his agent)?
>
There is currently a corporation named "Ono-Sendai".  They have advertised there
existence on the net before, and do so on a regular basis thru some computer mags.


ramblings of don
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.books
From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: Mondo 2000 Guide
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:45:41 GMT

I just purchased the Mondo 2000 Guide to Cyberculture. It is a trip.
 Most impressive quality of pictures. It seems a little pricey at
 20.00 but I suppose one pays for all the color etc.

I can't say as I am dissapointed, but I expected a bit more. For those
of us on the Net or Mondo 2K readers, we really don't need all the
definitions and other background. I wanted a more comprehensive
resource guide. It would be nice to also have (tho not really appropiate
for this book) a reference list of all the articles, etc. that refer
to cyberpunk. Not just People, WSJ etc, but show us where and when
CP culture has been dealt with in academic esp Po-Mo journals.

Don't get me wrong. I highly recommend this book. If you are a virgin
at CP this is tops. It also worth just for the photography/artwork.

                    Andrew Hall
# Humanity won't be happy until the last capitalist is hung #
# with the guts of the last bureaucrat.                     #
From: schilkk@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Rat)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Cyberpunk films and books wanted...
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:14:49 GMT
Organization: Organize???  I beg your pardon!
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu


	Hi, all!  I'm working on compiling a list of CyberPunk films and
books for my own and others use/perusal (and to be broadcast on local FM
station... :-)  and I've listed all the ones I can think of (obvious things
like SnowCrash, Lawnmower Man, Neuromancer, etc).  If you have any ideas,
please email them to me at : schilkk@prism.cs.orst.edu.  If I get enough
replies, I will post a summary for all to enjoy!

	-rAT
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From: IO21050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Hell ain't so bad. I mean, look@this tan!)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:32:52 GMT
 <1992Nov3.164930.7488@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1992Nov5.093450.3715@wkuvx1.bitnet>
 <17879@autodesk.COM> <1992Nov7.172158.3326@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
 <1992Nov7.172654.3430@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Maine System

Open message to Michael Goldman:

Your last comment got me thinking.  You are completely correct that no
movie version of "Neuromancer" would ever satisfy a Gibson fan, but I
think "Johnny Mnemonic" would make a hell of a film...

Frank-O
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:49:55 GMT

In article <64VuTB1w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
>parsogd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Geoffrey Parsons, WKU) writes:
>
>>   How about some industral music? This would be the most apt type of
>> music for a Cyberpunk genre movie. I would suggest _Nine Inch Nails_, 
>> or _Front Line Assembly_.
>
>FLA, definatly.  But NIN?... nah.  Too.. soft.  Gotta have that
>nails-on-blackboard bangbangbangbang sound.  I'm almost tempted to say FLA is
>too wimpy.  But, hey, I can't think of anything better.
>
>Maybe just have some guy bang some electronic equiptment together violently.
>Smash a keyboard into an empty chassis for that echo effect... yeah.
>
>
>
>                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
>                   Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
>                                      -qr


Having restrained myself for well over a year, I finally must dive into
the issue of "Cyberpunk music."  In my opinion, there isn't any.  And
having said that, what do I think comes closest?  Some (imphesis on some)
Rock artists.  I know I'm being retro here, but bare with me...

In Neuromancer, how about "Sunset Grill" playing in the Chatsubo.

I can think of only one song for Wintermute's theme,
   "Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name.
   "But what's puzzling you is just the nature of my game.
   "   So if you meet me, have some sempathy, have some curtesy, show restraint
   "For I tell you if you anger me, I'LL LAY YOUR SOUL TO WASTE!"

For that matter, I could see 'Stones songs for the whole movie.

Some Rush songs, the WHO's best stuff (Molly, can you see me?),
not to mention Zepplin and Floyd, all have a CP edge and sensibility
to them.  A think Don Henly really has a feel for the down-side of
the (post)modern world (Building the Perfect Beast, New York Minute, etc.)
And for a lighter side Warren Zevon has dome some good stuff (like the
Transverse City album.)  I could go on and on.

I imagine I'll get flamed for this, so feel free.  On this issue I'll
trade lyrics all day.

ROCK ON!
ratner
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From: habrams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Howard Abrams)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 05:09:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.093450.3715@wkuvx1.bitnet> parsogd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Geoffrey Parsons, WKU) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.164930.7488@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, petersom@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Mark Peterson) writes:
>> Robert Everett Brunskill <rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 
>>>>I wouldn't like to see the whole soundtrack done by one group.
> ditto. That would suck.
>
>> 
>> I'd like to see a combination.  Perhaps some Iron Maiden for one of the runs.
>> It would help show the brutality of Case's experiences in the Matrix.  This is
>> something that I don't think "Alternative" could produce in a person, however,
>> it could be used for other parts in the movie.
>
>  How about some industral music? This would be the most apt type of
>music for a Cyberpunk genre movie. I would suggest _Nine Inch Nails_, 
>or _Front Line Assembly_.
>
  I like the Idea of industral. but Nine Inch Nails would not do.
FLA would be great, but even better would be Front 242.
From: aarnold@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 21:20:45 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

(Spike) writes:

> In article <1992Nov4.033958.19746@wixer.cactus.org>,
> wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato) wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know if the eteeemed William Gibson is on the net?  (I'm
> > sure he is, but it remains to be seen WHERE.)  I have a question
> > or two to ask him.
> 
> No, actually, I don't think he is.  According to an article I read last
> year in People magazine,
> he's actually computer illiterate.  Wrote Neuromancer on a damn Selectric
> or somesuch.
> 
> Spike (Not Jones)

Actually, Wm. Gibson is on the Internet, as I've heard from somewhere. 
However, since he's probably the most sought after person on the net, 
he uses a program that screens out mail from those not on his mailing 
list. this way he doesn't get deluged with mail from adoring fans such as 
myself... There may be a way to get something really important through to 
him, but I'm not sure how...

A. Arnold

__________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: wilder@nx02.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
    <1992Nov12.195158.21652@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
    <STEINARB.92Nov13094813@topas.idt.unit.no> <tjk5.29.721684513@po.cwru.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx02.mik.uky.edu!wilder
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:39:16 GMT

In <tjk5.29.721684513@po.cwru.edu> tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:
    
|>> The girl who played Nikita in La Femme Nikita as
|>> Molly--assuming she can speak English well enough to offset the
|>> "Depardieu Syndrome" that rendered _1492_ almost unwatchable.

|>Jeez! To think that people are actually *wondering* why "Mad Max" was
|>dubbed with American voices when released in the US...:-)

|>Her name, BTW, is Anne Parillaud.

|And she's got a pretty thick accent (Anybody see _Innocent Blood_ ?)

She's also waaay too old for the part.  She was close to the perfect age
in _Nikita_, but that was filmed in, what, 82 or 83?  I reassert my pick
of Jennifer Jason Leigh.  She has the *edge* that I envision in Molly,
and she won't overshadow the role with her looks.  I got the impression     
from _Neuromancer_ that Molly was attractive (well, at least *I* would have
found her attractive), but not a knockout.  Except maybe literally.

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From: Denise.Turner@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Denise Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 01:27:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/160 - Hacker's Haven, Clearwater FL

Hulloo....just a few questions.....Did you really mean it when you said "don't expect legitimate info on Usenet"? Here i was all excited about finally seeing Usenet and ya'll go and tell me it's no big deal after all--bummer!
Also, i guess you were sarcastic about women being ravening beasts and all that;-) I just wanted to say I never thought Cyberpunks were partnerless machine-fuckers....I suppose I am a bit romantic(played too much Shadowrun) but I always envisioned them as rather dashing, unusual, sexy creatures  their features lit by the passionate intensity of intellect and dreams. But then, that lady did sound a wee bit sheltered, ay?


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