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From: t923335@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (IronEagle)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Big Gas Explosion in Texas?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:41:02 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.164448.3957@uwm.edu> aoelked@kirk.msoe.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr7.095746.3930@bb1t.monsanto.com>, tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>>>Anybody know anything about the big natural gas explosion in Texas 
>>>this morning?

>I heard on the radio it was propane.

>-- 
>My opinions are my own.

I heard on the radio on the way in this morning that it read 3.5 on
the ricter(sp?) scale.....


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Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Homemade banger
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:13:19 GMT

Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant) writes:

: time ater mixing, ie mix in ventilated area. Now for the bomb, well 
: their are various ways to do this, the way I do it is to crimp a 3" 
: long peice of copper pipe at one end, then pack in the mixture, for 
: the detonator, I use 1 match stich

Couldn't you achieve just as good, or better, results by using a strong
pasted paper tube?  It would also be far safer - as you stated, the
shrapnel can go a very long distance.

Bill

Xref: sparky rec.pyrotechnics:1796 alt.stagecraft:57
From: batten@cygnus.Kodak.COM (James Batten)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics,alt.stagecraft
Subject: Re: Help with "bomb"
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:42:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pyrotechnics
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Apr8.231457.13487@ddsw1.MCS.COM> whos@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen) writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.095055.23133@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> jdg@devine.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Jim Griggers) writes:
>>I am new to this newsgroup, apologies if this is common knowledge.
>>
>>I have been elected to help with special effects on a theatrical set.  One
>>of my assignments is to create an explosion on stage, the force of which
>>"kills" someone.  The description of the effect is below:
>>
>>	A flash powder "bomb" is contained in a 20 gal. can and located
>>	under the stair landing.  A heating register mounted in the
>
  [ space saving deletions inserted here ....ssdih ]
>Here's how I would OPTIMALLY do it:  Use a PyroPac (commercially available 
>theatrical explosion effect equipment and powder) OFFSTAGE (way off) for a

[ lots more ssdih's ]

I have to agree with Ben, stay far away from fire when dealing with something
like this unless you have really been trained, have made sure you will comply
with local fire codes, and are very heavily insured.

While I don't have the manufactures name handy I saw A device demonstrated at
a magic convention last fall that uses compressed air. It IS used to shoot
streamers WAY out over the audience and is sufficiently loud enough to cause
at least two heart attacks per performance. It was over my price range but
not all that bad, (around $200.00 I think) but then again I do close up magic
and I doubt most people would appreciate something like that going off in their
den or restraunt so it wasn't something for me. Couple something like that
with a smog machine and you would have a VERY convincing explosion ( of course
I think I would forget to load the streamers, that might sorta kill the affect
youre after.. )  8^)

If any one is interested in checking one of these things out I can get the
address of the manufacture this comming Monday night.

ciao - jim batten
From: amadeus@chopin.udel.edu (David Devilbiss)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: flash pots
Keywords: flash pots
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


	I just did a magic show for a friend,and in it he had to 
appear out of nowhere. The effect was amazing and I had people boggled
and scared by the appearence of the magician.

__Pot construction__
	6" gavanized pipe 1.5"dia.
	galvanized cap w/ 5\16 dia. hole drilled in the center

__detonators__
	"electronic ignitors" from Alcone co.
		-like a model rocket elect. igniter but closer to a
		 cherry bomb, its goes pop.
	red grade flash (v. fast)
__assembly__
	insert the bulb of the igniter into the 5\16 hole, and bend
	the wire so it lays against the side/bottom of teh cap.
	Cover with about 3\4 teaspoon of flash, not more than a full
	teaspoon or you run the risk of damage to the pot,
	actors/friends, yourself. In this form its a multidirectional
	pot, but if you screw on the 6" pipe it's directional. A six
	to twelve volt lantern battery wired in series with the pots
	and boom.

--REMEMBER: you only die once, don't let it be from your own
	 carelessness .
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Subject: Re: Homemade Explosive
Reply-To: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:15:42 GMT


In a previous article, ulysses@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Nebulous Enigma) says:

>In <1992Apr15.191441.17398@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry) writes:
>
>
>>I don't care who it is,I'm not a fag so don't send me fag material.
>
>I haven't actually seen any _proof_ of all this... could it be that you're
>LYING? If you have the messages send them to my sysadmin (jim@mcl.ucsb.edu)
>Otherwise shut up and leave me alone. 
>
>Don't bother sending anything to me, it'll go in the circular file (garbage)
>
>
>
>
>--
>-ulysses@mcl.ucsb.edu
>undeclared underfunded undergrad 
>Department of Limbo
>now UC it, now you don't 
>


Yeah,I'm lying.I just picked your address out of thousands,without seeing it 
before and decided to pick on you.
I could have posted it here but posting private email is against the law.
Seems funny you should say I could be lying,when yesterday there were 8
bounced mail messages to me from your
address.Care to explain that?
After I got the fag messages I put your address on my filter list so I
wouldn't have to read your (or whoevers)
homoic messages anymore.
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Big Gas Explosion in Texas?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.164448.3957@uwm.edu> aoelked@kirk.msoe.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.095746.3930@bb1t.monsanto.com>, tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>>Anybody know anything about the big natural gas explosion in Texas 
>>this morning?

I heard on the radio it was propane.

-- 
My opinions are my own.

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason)
Subject: Re: Timers
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 20:20:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.081346.9874@u.washington.edu> elskedar@milton.u.washington.edu (Darren Eslke) writes:
>Thanks for the Email about smokes used to delay firing, but those are DELAYS.
>I need a few hours time.  Will radio control stuff work around corners, and
>6 stories up?  I dont think so, but if it would, I could go that route.

	It all depends how much you're willing to spend on the radio 
equipment. I used to be into RC cars and planes so I've got a $150 radio 
system that has a range of about 3/4 mile.  And it will work around corners.  
	It also depends on what you'll be doing with the receiver end.
If there's going to be a bomb on it you don't want anything expensive
there.  If, however, it's going to set of something several feet from 
the unit itself, AND you'll be able to get it back, this is a good
way of doing what you want.

>I was thinking of a digital watch alarm type of thing.  How to amplify the
>alarm signal enough to ignite the cannon fuse...
>This is for a harmless college prank type of idea.
>Darren
>
	You could always use a very low voltage relay.  Or, if 
it's going to be near a 120V outlet you could use one of those lamp
timers.
	So - are you going to tell us what you're up to? ;-)

-Jason

--
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From: fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Help with "bomb"
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:48:57 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr9.220851.18610@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
>>I read this string and an article from Theatre Crafts came to mind
>>for a cheap smoke machine:
>>
>>Electric and propane insect foggers cost about $50, are easy to use
>>and work very quickly.  
>>
>>If this isn't really what you're looking for, you might want to
>>reference other back issues of Theatre Crafts--they often have good
>>cheap solutions..
>>
>>		-dOug 
>>
> 	You don't want to _kill_ the audience!  Just surprise them a 
> little!!!  I don't think the insecticide would go over well with the
> actors either. ;-)
> 	Serriously: Those insecticides are designed to fog up, you
> couldn't just add water and hope the steam will work.  You might,
> though, be able to find _something_ that will work, but I'd be
> worried about toxicity.  Your best bet is to just go with the 
> commercially available stuff.
> 
> -Jason
> 
> --
> "One day I'll get what's mine through the persistence of time"
> 						    -Anthrax 'Time'

If all you are looking for is some cheap fog, why not just get a batch of
dry ice, and plop it in some warm water?  Put the bucket in a cardboard box
(fair sized, maybe 3'x3'x'3; appliance box maybe?) and plop in the ice like
2 minutes before you want the fog... when the time comes, drop a side from
the box, and the fog sould come rolling/pouring out.  Cheap, reliable,
and SAFE.  By the way, if you can put this prop ABOVE actors, you can
get some seriously NEAT effects!  The vapor sinks like a stone, and you
can pour it down in front of a curtain opening or trap door and make them
seem to pop up from thin air.


later,
 Nathan
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Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: myers@spl1.spl.loral.com (Bill Myers)
Subject: Re: Ammonium Triiodide...
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Lab
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:18:17 GMT

   6551	Re: looking for cheap oxidizer                [15] mingos@vax.oxford.ac   6551	Re: looking for cheap oxidizer                [15] mingos@vax.oxford.ac   6551	Re: looking for cheap oxidizer                [15] mingos@vax.oxford.ac   6551	Re: looking for cheap oxidizer                [15] mingos@vax.oxford.acIn article <1992Apr13.170407.27421@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
|> In article <040900231@flamer.hell.edu> daemon@flamer.hell.edu writes:
|> 	I think the easiest way to get Sulfuric acid is from an old
|> car battery.  I've been told that if you heat it GENTLY until while
|> vapors appear it will be more than concentrated enough to use in
|> explosives.  Just be careful NOT to inhale the vapors and do this in
|> a VERY WELL ventilated place - like outside.  I would also suggest not 
|> using a metal pan, as heated conc. sulfuric isn't really friendly
|> to most metals.  Use ceramic.
|> 	Pyro gurus: feel free to correct this if it is wrong, as I've
|> never done it myself.
|> 
|> -Jason


I've done this many times.  The secret is to do it at only a WARM TEMP.  If it starts to boil,
you're in trouble!  And, remember not to inhale those fumes!  I use a hotplate outside to avoid
having fumes build up.

Laterzz

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: explosives
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:48:08 GMT

|> I have the dubious honor of being the son-in-law of the real author of
|> _The Anarchist's Cookbook_ (his name isn't on the cover, the people
|> whose names are there subsequently ripped him off, which is wonderful). He
|> explicitely put inaccurate formulae in the book. His attitude is
|> "anyone who uses the data in the book deserves to blow themselves up".
|> Yes, he's a real fuckhead, and there's no reason to be charitable. As
|> Patrick said, don't use the book. It's kinda wierd, every time someone
|> buys the book I feel good 'cause he's not getting royalties, but on
|> the other hand there's a chance that they'll do themselves harm 'cause
|> he's such an asshole.
|> 
|> ...arun
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Arun Welch
|> Lisp Systems Programmer, Lab for AI Research, Ohio State University
|> welch@cis.ohio-state.edu
: 
: So is there a good source (i.e. safe acurate source) for such information?
: 
: 				mike

There are accurate sources. There is no such thing as "safe" when you are
working with explosives. It all comes down to a matter of relative risk.

All the "field expedient" type manuals are designed for military battlefield
conditions. In other words, they assume that injuries and deaths are an
acceptable part of the manufacture and usage of the explosives.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Ammonium Triiodide...
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:47:25 GMT

daemon@flamer.hell.edu (The Devil Himself) writes:
: 
: Can anyone provide instructions for making
: Ammonium Triiodide...?  (based on ordinary house-hold chemicals... or 
: those that are easy to obtain...)
: ((or if you know of an easy way to get/make sulfuric/nitric acid let me know too))
:  
: Any other nice explosives to make...

You really are uninformed for a daemon. I would think that such substances
would be second nature for you.

Just be patient - I am sure someone will, yet again, post a method for
making the iodide. 

: I tried to make RDX once... but butchering my way
: around sulfuric and nitric acid in conc. form didn't work...
: I guess to make anything really worth your while, you really need
: conc nitric and sulfuric acid...

No, that is not true. I would suggest that, if you are really interested
in explosive substances, you go to your local college library and check
out a few books on the chemistry of explosives. While you are at it, check
out a book or two on the history of explosives and on explosive accidents.

After you have studied these books, then all you need is a class or two
in general chemistry to learn proper lab procedure. Remember that proper
lab equipment for explosives experimentation includes such things as
"shatterproof" shielding, gauntlets, fume hood and a flak vest.

: The Devil!

Pah!

Bill
From: JPT107@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Chemical Info
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:48:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92099.204850JPT107
Organization: Penn State University


     Just a guess, correct me if I am wrong, but if CCl4 snuffs out
flames, doesn't it do this by scavenging O2 from the surrounding air?
That alone would make it dangerous to use as a fire extinguisher
indoors.


John,
jpt107@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Salutes
Reply-To: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:29:40 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.172819.26213@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
|>Good advice. However, it is interesting that the commercially produced flash
|>powders I have purchased came in plastic containers. They said to do the
|>mixing in those containers.

Perhaps the plastic is one of those special anti-static types, such as used
for packaging computer circuit boards.  Does the plastic have a metallic sheen?
What happens if you rub one of the containers (UNCONTAMINATED BY FLASH) against
your hair or a random cat on a dry day?

-Mike
From: aoelked@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Big Gas Explosion in Texas?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:44:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr7.164448.3957
Reply-To: aoelked@kirk.msoe.edu
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

In article <1992Apr7.095746.3930@bb1t.monsanto.com>, tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>Anybody know anything about the big natural gas explosion in Texas 
>this morning?

A friend/relative from northern Houston (works at Compaq) sent me an email
message this morning with...

->HEY! Did y'all hear about the natural gas pipeline explosion that happened
->here this morning circa 7:15am?  I was in the shower, so I didn't hear
->anything, but everyone else who was awake heard it! Kim said that she had
->heard a rumbling/roaring and she thought that the window was going to pop!
->Tim Maher lives on the 2nd floor and claims that he felt the building sway.
->And this explosion happened 65 miles from here!
 
Don't know any more :-(   (yet...)
From: lyn@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Ammonium Triiodide...
Date: 15 Apr 1992 16:51:15 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu


  Check the Gopher program (for those w/out the client, I will post the
internet address soon as I fing it. Wonderful place- a knmowledge repository.
It has a series of files in one of the sub-menus on pyrotechnics. It also has
coloring and packaging for various "fireworks"-not just BOOM things.
From: csuyx@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Holloway)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Chemical Info
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:11:38 GMT
	<1992Apr8.212454.19205@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Originator: csuyx@lily


 
jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:

   >
   >I don't think that CCl4 was the problem, I think it was that it decomposed
   >into nasty products when exposed to high temperatures. My memory on the
   >matter could be faulty.
   >
   >Bill

	   Actually the CCl4 _was_ the problem.  It is rather carcinogenic.
   In my chemistry lab we have a bottle of it that stays ONLY under the fume
   hood.  The bottle, incidentally, is marked with all kinds of bright yellow
   safetly warning labels.  

   -Jason

If I remember my Biology notes correctly, CCl4 was also used to treat sheep
that had become infested with liver fluke(s). I never quite worked out whether
it killed the liver fluke or the liver fluke *and* the sheep.. :)

It's definately nasty stuff, but I can't remember whether they still use it as
a dry-cleaning agent.. (?) Doesn't K2R use it?

Just a completely unrelated thought.. :)

Regards,
	Wally..

ObPyro: What sort of petrol (gas/gasoline/whatever) : air ratio is needed for
a spark-induced explosion?


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From: djenkins@axion.bt.co.uk (David Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Ammonium Triiodide...
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: djenkins@axion.bt.co.uk (David Jenkins)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1992Apr13.170407.27421@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
|> In article <040900231@flamer.hell.edu> daemon@flamer.hell.edu
|> writes:
|> >
|> >Can anyone provide instructions for making
|> >Ammonium Triiodide...?  (based on ordinary house-hold chemicals...
|> or 
|> >those that are easy to obtain...)
|> >((or if you know of an easy way to get/make sulfuric/nitric acid let
|> me know too))
|> 
|> 	I think the easiest way to get Sulfuric acid is from an old
|> car battery.  I've been told that if you heat it GENTLY until while
|> vapors appear it will be more than concentrated enough to use in
|> explosives.  Just be careful NOT to inhale the vapors and do this in
|> a VERY WELL ventilated place - like outside.  I would also suggest
|> not 
|> using a metal pan, as heated conc. sulfuric isn't really friendly
|> to most metals.  Use ceramic.
|> 	Pyro gurus: feel free to correct this if it is wrong, as I've
|> never done it myself.
|> 	All the usual disclaimers apply: blah blah blah.
|> 
|> -Jason

Why does this scare the hell out of me?  (rhetorical question - send
answers to /dev/null)

If you want sulphuric acid, ask in a garage which sells batteries... it
will be reasonably pure, although probably diluted.  They keep it to
fill new batteries which often arrive prepared but empty, ready for
filling and charging (apart from sealed ones :-).

I use it for descaling copper and brass after silver-soldering, so I am
particularly keen to get it without added lead sulphate/sulphide which
prevent further soldering.


David Jenkins

Wagner's music is better than it sounds.  -- Mark Twain
From: cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Charles Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Homemade banger
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:44:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

The guy asked for help making a large bang.  For the beginner, lots of
instructions are better than your simple one line statement.  Sorry if
everybody is not as creative as you.  

Did you have to read the whole article to figure out that it wasn't for
you?  Is that why you're upset?  

Charles
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From: rl103465@cs.tut.fi (Rauli Lauhanen OH1MKS)
Subject: Nitric Acid - How to ?
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:46:46 GMT

 Ok, As we all know, Nitric acid is the basic stuff in making
all-kinda explosives. My problem here is that I can get 60 %  Nitric
acid very easily and very cheaply, but unfortunately , 60 % isn't
strong enough. So - what to do ? Distilling it is not wise, because,
if I remember right, Nitric acid is atseotropic in consentrations,
more than 48 % ?

 Should I :
1) Place concentrated Sulphuric acid and 60 %  Nitric acid into same
hermetic container, and let the h2so4 to suck the water out from N.A ?
 Is there any better chemicals, Asetic anhydrous - unwatered Copper
sulfate ?? I mean that N.A. and H2SO4 are not mixed - just 2
containers in same air space..

2) Put salpeter and sulphuric acid , and lead nitro-oxides into 60 %
N.A. - Does this work ?  If I put N.A. into ice bath, how strong N.A. 
i can get ?

  How strong N.A. is needed to make RDX and Picric acid ?

  Take care, Mks
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