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From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Another: Need first rifle recommendation
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:45:42 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I too am looking for my first rifle, but not first gun. I grew
up in Western NY where deer hunting is all shotgun. I've been living
in Westchester (near NYC) for several years now and many areas near here
are either rifle or bow. I still go back to hunt with my dad and uncles
in western ny, but I would like to do more deer hunting locally (better
half would like this too!). My in-laws all bow and/or rifle for deer.
I would love to get into bow, but I just can't take off from work for the
season like my contactor in-laws and........
Well, I'll eventually get into bow, but for now I though picking up a rifle
and still gun hunting would get better results quicker.

30-30 lever actions seem to be pretty popular as a good short range rifle
for most of the woods around here, but I was thinking more about a 30-06 
bolt action with scope (again popular around here). I will not be doing
my own reloads (is this really necessary?). Because of $, I was going
to get a used gun. What makes/models are good? What caliber? What scopes
(if any)? what should I expect to pay? What models/make should I avoid?

Thanks for any advice in advance.
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From: galaxy.nsc.com!brian@voder.pa.dec.com (Brian Chan x5621)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Oneida Aeroforce
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:24:04 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


>Shawn Boyd 

> Oh yeah, by the way... I'm gonna hafta to bite the bullet and buy a new lead
> bow this year.  I have a hairline crack in one of the limbs on my Golden Eagle
> and am going to have to replace the limb.  While I'm at it, I'm going to step 
> uptown and go with an Oneida.  Their Aero-Force looks real good to me.  The 
> ole Strike Eagle is still around and both bows are the same price, but the 
> guy I talked to at Cabela's said the Aero-Force is the one he shoots, and he 
> thinks the K-cams on it are more efficient.  He knew his stuff.  He really did>, but does anyone out there have any other information.

> A brother-of-a-friend owns one of these contraptions.  I've shot his before.
> Truly awsome.  However, I keep hearing that they're a bitch to tune.  What's
> the story gang?  Anybody have some comments?

Hi Shawn,

I've owned an aero-force for about 2 months now and i am completely
satisfied with my purchase!!  I have had none of the "so called"
tuning problems that so many people talk about.  My opinion is limited
to 2 months but i think that it is a very reliable bow.... fast, flat
shooting, smooth!

don't take my opinion alone but ask around and shoot one!  btw, if
anyone claims that the oneida bows have tuning problems or any other
problems ask them for specifics....FACTS not hearsay.  i would be
interested in their comments.  also, it is known that the OLDER oneida
bows did have some design flaws, particularly the Strike Eagle.  The
newer Strike Eagles don't have these problems.  MY opinion is that the
NEWER oneida bows are solid designs.

hope this helps ya...


-brian

brian@galaxy.nsc.com
From: randyn@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Randall B Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:25 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



I have it very interesting in following the responses to this.  Now
for my two cents worth.  Not being an expert, but being a hunter in
Alaska, and throughout the Northwest/California, I have had the
opportunity to come across a number of bears.  The best defense
against bears is being alert and respect their territory.  The odds of
one having a problem with a bear are probably less then 1%, and 99% of
those occurances are most likely not using common sense.

As noted by other inputs, the basic rules are:

1)  Do not have any kind of attractant within your camp area, keep all food
    well sealed.

2)  Unless you are bear hunting, keep your distance from their territory.
    Bears leave many signs, the most obvious is their smell.  Making noise
    is a sure bet way to never see a bear at close range.

3)  When hunting, assuming that you are trying to be stealthful (is that a
    word?), and you come across a bear, stop, let them pass, and never,
    never, never - - - RUN!

4)  In salmon areas, stay wide of the bears (frequently there will be cubs
    close by), and there will be more then one bear in these areas.

5)  Never track a bear unless you are hunting them.  They will circle you
    and track you, plus this has a tendency to piss them off, and may put
    you at risk.

6)  Short of the shotgun type weapon that was mentioned in a previous
    article, there really is no weapon that will help you because of the
    response time one will need to react to a real attack situation.  Bears
    will attempt to bluff you by turning on you, standing up, snorting, and
    other obnoxious acts.  When this occurs move very slowly, and checked,
    typically they will leave if you do not RUN!!

7)  When cubs are sited, check yourself, and try to figure out if there is
    more then one.  Also try to find the mother (she of course is who you
    are worried about).  Whatever you do, do not scare the cubs, and
    quietly get out of that area.

Friendly reminder:  Bears have no natural enemies, even man.  They are the
masters of the forest in any area of the world they live.  Sooooo---,
they really do not fear anything except what they think is threatening
them, their territory, or their cubs.  Also, if you are hunting an area
that has a quanitity of bears in it, you may have a hard time finding the
intended game.

Randy Newton
Fishing and Hunting is the only way to go!!

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From: spickett@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steve Pickett)
Subject: Re: Hunting in California
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:56:02 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug28.112437.24751@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mesrx!web037@uunet.UU.NET (Bill Braden) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.072912.13550@doug.cae.wisc.edu> smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul) writes:
>>        If more areas were open to hunting and shooting legally, there
>>probably wouldn't be so many drive-by and freeway shootings.  
>
>Outragous statment.  I will not add to the flame on this one but it
>deseves all the heat it gets.
>

This is the most insulting and ignorant statement I've read in recent
times.  I completetly agree with Bill in that I hope whoever said it
is recieving plenty of flames. He DESERVES them! One can only wonder
what this person does for fun when he can't find a range to shoot at.


>>Why don't they provide more places for hunting and shooting legally?  
>>Give the law abiding shooters who buy licenses a break. 

One large reason there aren't more places to shoot is because some of
those law abiding shooters made a habit of bringing their trash with
them for targets. Dumped it in the shooting area, shot it up, and went
home. In short, legal shooting area =aka= dump. The forest service had
no option other than close area after area. Now that they've seen what
people do when they get a place to shoot they're not too interested in
opening any more.


-Steve


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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: New publication - AKC Hunting Test Herald
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:25 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 
Yesterday, I received a complimentary copy of a new publication put
out by the AKC called "AKC Hunting Test Herald".  Many of the "bigwigs"
at the AKC performance division had articles in it including
VP Robert McKowen, Director John Carroll, and Secretary of Master
National Linda Furr.
 
It looks like a very good publication, and worth at least a trial
subscription.
 
send $12.00 1 year, or $22.00 for 2 years (payable to the AKC) to:
 
AKC hunting Test Herald
c/o Jacqueline Fraser
American Kennel Club
51 Madison Ave.
New York, NY  10010
 
The form for getting a subscription also wants to know your breed
intrest (Pointers, Retrievers, or Spaniels
 
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Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 5 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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From: daver!cypress.com!alpha.cypress!bjw@decwrl.dec.com (Jeff Williams/COMM)
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:55:12 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article 26808@doug.cae.wisc.edu, ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.071819.23885@doug.cae.wisc.edu> akarpowicz@mta.ca (Adam Karpowicz) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.080132.23672@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ketchum@fubar.cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
>>>
>>>Since you are not hunting with it and are just wanting to "scare bear"
>>>I would suggest that you use the latest "attacker deterent sprays", or
>>>something like that. There are a few kinds out on the market. One is
>>>full of cayenne pepper and I can't pronounce the active ingredient the
>>>other one I'm thinking about.
>>>
>>Could you post/mail where to get these sprays?
>>Thanks
>>
>>Adam
>
>Yes I can but you'll have to wait a day or two. I do know that some of
>them are made in Missoula, MT. That is where they did a lot of
>"research" on caged bears and found compressed air with cayenne pepper
>did quite well.
>
>I'll get back in a day or two.
>


If all these sprays fail...  a 2-shot Derringer in .44Mag or a Single
in .45-70 just migth be the ticket as your hand goes down his throat
From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Free NRA Memberships
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:49 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


[With the Moderator's indulgence...]


Have you always wanted to join the NRA but never had the money?

Have you wondered what the NRA is all about?  What they really stand
for, and what they do?

Here's your chance.

My name is Kirk Hays, hays@ssd.intel.com (internet).  I run a
program to broker NRA (National Rifle Association) memberships.
Essentially, I match people who would join the NRA, but haven't due to
some financial restraint, with people who are willing to pay for one
year memberships, which normally cost $25 each.

I represent 35 anonymous sponsors, who, with myself, are offering over
130 sponsored memberships, all for financially needy people who are
not current members, and who are eligible for membership.

I make no money from this at all, just tremendous personal
satisfaction, which is shared with the anonymous sponsors.

On a quasi-monthly basis, I distribute this message, along with the
following information:

June 4th, 1992 (inception) to August 28, 1992:

Memberships applications received: 45
	Applications refused: 3
	Memberships awarded: 36
	Applications in progress: 6

Current NRA membership: Will reach 3 million by election day, November 3rd.

If you think you are eligible, send me an email letter explaining, in
a paragraph or two, why you think the RKBA is important and why you
should be sponsored.  Give any information (biographical, situational,
or otherwise) you think might influence a sponsor into choosing you.

I will acknowledge receipt of the letter.

Include your name as you would want it to appear on any membership
awarded, your mailing address, and an indication of your age
(over/under 21 is sufficient).

Recipient names will be confidential, except for myself and the final
sponsor.

If you are selected to receive a sponsored membership, you will be
notified after it has been purchased.

If you know someone who'd be interested, but lacks email access,
please help them as a go-between.

Feel free to redistribute this message in it's entirety.

Disclaimer:

This is not a program of the NRA - I thought it up myself, it's being
done on my own time.

My employer does not endorse this project.

-- 
Kirk Hays - NRA Life. hays@ssd.intel.com
"Judge each day not by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:35 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.080146.23708@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug17.100503.8355@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
|>      mbh@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
|> >I am looking to buy my first handgun with a specific purpose in mind.  I
|> >do some solo backpacking and I'd feel more secure with the protection of
|> >a handgun.  Although just about any handgun will scare away threatening
|> >people [I've seen "Deliverance" too many times :-)  ], what kind of gun
|> >would be suitable in scaring away bears?  I wouldn't be hunting with it,
|> >I'd just like a handgun to scare things away.  Cost isn't that
|> >important, but size and weight are.  Any suggestions would be greatly
|> >appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
|>  
|> This is going to be a very person-specific issue, but my vote goes for
|> the 9mm.  I simply like having alot of shells in the clip....
|>  
|>       ----------------------------------------------
|> Chris Barnes            |
|> x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 15 more days until the start of
|> (409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
|> (409) 845-8454 (work)   |

9mm Para [shiver] not me. I recomend a .44 mag loaded with solids (FMJ)
at a reasonably high velocity. The bear may not scare so easily and if you
have to shoot him the 9mm will just make him mad. I suggest a revolver
for reliability, simplicity (important when under pressure) and because
a model 29 is a lot cheaper than a desert eagle. :-)

If you really want an auto loader consider a 10mm.

				mike

Another poster suggested 10% pepper spray such as counter attack (tm).
This might be an effective choice. Keep in mind however that wind
direction and speed will definately affect your stratagies.
From: L667175@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Remmington 55 grain accelarator
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:22:01 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

With all this talk about accelarators on the net I am begining to
wonder if I got a bum steer .  

3 years ago I went into the areas most repuatable hunting and shooting
supply in the area. I was going in to get some accelarators in .308
for my BLR to use on cyotes. At that time I bought the last two boxes
he had, because he informed me that Remmington had discontinued the
.22 cal. sabboted round. He said the just weren't selling enough of
them. Whats the deal?  I haven't seen any since, Accept a second hand
box at a gun show.

Rob
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: 30-06 for woodchucks
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:59 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


This isn't particularly in response to Bob's post--I've just used
it to simplify follow-up...

I just wanted to mention a few things that I haven't noticed being
said in this thread.

First, generally over the middle range of calibres, the lighter
bullets are *designed* as varmint bullets while the heavier ones
are designed as big-game bullets.  Consequently, the lighter
bullets will are *not* designed for penetration, *are* designed to
expand violently, usually to the point of disintegration upon
impact with even frail tissue or other objects, and these lighter
bullets are much less likely to ricochet than are the heavier,
slower-moving, bullets intended for big game.  And, as has been
pointed out, these lighter bullets are likely to be, initially
anyway, traveling at greater speed, emphasizing these differences.

With these things in mind, I agree with the view that the big-game
bullet is likely to do less damage to, say, a ground hog than are
the varmint bullets intended for that purpose.  What I haven't seen
mentioned is that these same big-game bullets are quite likely to
pass right through said ground hog and ricochet into the next
county, a possibility that should be kept in mind when shooting
around populated areas.  That's one of the reasons that varmint
bullets are designed the way they are.

In short, varmint bullets expand violently and often disintegrate
upon the slightest impact, not only because they are moving faster,
but also because they were designed that way.  Big-game bullets are
not only traveling more slowly but they have been designed to
expand only upon sufficient provocation and not to disintegrate in
order to provide adequate penetration in big-game animals.

Nearly[1] all .22 calibre bullets are varmint, plinking, or target
(or military) bullets.

[1] Yes, I know about the .22 cal "deer bullets." This disclaimer
is intended, not to start another religious war about the subject,
but simply to try to head off the many "But what about the Brand-Y,
.22 cal. X bullet, designed for deer?" posts.  We've been all
through that before.  My opinion is that they may be sturdy enough
but they're not heavy enough for any but the most perfect setups
--broad-side, close range, small deer, no obstructions, etc.--and
often not then.  Others have other opinions.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: California
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:19:01 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I am interested in hunting wild pigs in California(southern). Anyone
knowledgable on habitat, food, habits etc. please post what you know.

I have not found any literature on the subject.

Thanks

Mark Cavallaro
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: TX WMA's  (Houston area)
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:56:57 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.061953.26439@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
     kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack) writes:
 
>        I was wondering if anyone could provide some opinions
>   on Type I and Type II WMA's.  Particularly, I'm interested
>   in comments regarding Type II permits.  Are they worthwhile?
>   Suggestions on other options?  I'm in the Houston area and
>   can not justify $$$ for a lease on my budget - is there any
>   other public land within a couple of hours?  Are any Type
>   II WMA's in the Houston area?  (no more than a 2 hr drive)
 
 
I had a type II permit for a couple of years, and I think they
are worthwhile.  While I haven't shot a deer on one (my main
objective in buying one), I have seen some, usually during bow
season.  Most of the areas are in the Lufkin/Nachogdogeous area,
but I think there are a few that are within 2 hours of Houston
(east).  Heck, for $35, what have you got to lose?
 
 
>	On a slightly different topic, a friend/co-worker tells
>   me that I "need" a shotgun.  I know that the Remington 870
>   is popular, but I've also heard good things about Mossberg,
>   but not having experience with either weapon (and not being
>   able to spend $$$ like my friend - that budget thing again :-)
>   I'm looking for advice on a reasonably inexpensive 12-guage
>   pump/slide.  How important is being able to use magnum loads?
>   Other comments?  Davis (my friend) has been threatening to
>   take me bird hunting one weekend ever since I mentioned that
>   I've never done so.
 
*Need* a shotgun?  Well, only if you want to bird hunt.  Have to
be able to shoot magnums?  Only if you want to take the bigger birds
(large ducks, geese, pheasant, & turkey).  But even the less expensive
12 ga. can shoot the magnums.  Personally, I like the 870 express;
it's really cheap (can be had for under $200 at Wal-Mart), can shoot
3" magnum shells, can shoot steel, and is really a dependable gun.
The Mossburgs aren't bad though....
 
 
 
PS.  How is tx.politics going.  I unsub'd a while back....
 
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Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Hunting season starts TODAY!!!!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: braden_b@measurex.com (Bill Braden)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Backpacking for deer
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:25:35 GMT
Organization: Measurex Corporation "The Results Company"
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Well deer season starts in my area in about 3 weeks and I am just about
ready to go.  I am planning a back packing trip into one of the
California wilderness areas.  Since I have never bagged a deer while
backpacking (or any other time if the truth be known) I have many open
questions on what to do after the deer is down.  

I can handle the field dressing without a problem but I am concerned
about what to do beyond that point.  I will be hunting anywhere from 2
to 5 miles from my truck so how do I care for the meat and get it back
to the truck?  That distance is too far to drag it so I had planned to
cut it up and pack it out on my pack frame.  The biggest problem that I
see are in getting the meat out quick enough to avoid spoiling it.  You
see the weather can often be in the 70's during the day and probably
will drop only into the 40's or 50's at night. Another problem is how to
partition the deer so that if stopped by a ranger on the way out it is
clear that it is a buck.  I expect it to take at least 2 trips to get
the whole thing out.  There is also the question of how best to protect
that remaining parts while I am packing out the first.  Oh, did I
mention that there is also the problem of a 150 mile drive home across
the central valley were the temps can often exceed 100?

Anyone have experince along these lines that they would care to share? 



Bill Braden
braden_b@measurex.com
!uunet!mesrx!bbraden            "Onward Through The Fog"
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From: bbx!bbx.basis.com!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: A deal on Archery tackle? and a look from the other side
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:36 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Aug28.112426.24717@doug.cae.wisc.edu> motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
>%)  So, how come it's nagging if I say it but ribbing if it comes from
>one of the guys?  %)

Because you forgot the <nudge><nudge> that comes with the ribbing but
not the nagging. ;-)  (I actually took the reply to your comment as
ribbing as well as your comment - but were missing smiley support).

Some of us out here get good wife (and husband) support, and I suspect
that we're not in the minority.  I further suspect that those that
don't get good support (or at least tolerance) don't stay partnered
for very long, or at least not with *that* partner...

-- 
Russ Kepler, Basis International Ltd. russ@bbx.basis.com  phone: 505-345-5232

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