HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject: Transfer of Development rights
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:42:27 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

Richard,

I'm trying to send you some e-mail but everything I send out keeps bouncing  
back. 

I recently got a large packet from the Ameriocan Planning Association about TDR  
programs throughout the United States ... I though I'd forward it your way,  
since you were interested in the information.



> | Richard Kay          | Telephone:     +61 03 362801                |
> | PO Box 1567          | Facsimile:     +61 03 344572                |
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: jlance@dbaix.oc.com (Lance Jablonski)
Subject: wolves in Texas
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:21:18 GMT

 Can someone help settle an inter-office dispute?  I say there hasn't
been a wolf in the North Texas area for at lease a hundred years, while
my hillbilly in-laws tell me they have "wolves" (coyotes) harassing
their dog.  In addition, a female co-worker tells me she has seen
a wolf too.  Now I would believe it if someone told me they saw one
down around the Big Bend area, where I believe there is some sort
of Red Mexican or Chihuahuan variety, but around Dallas? Please,
someone back me up on this.

                                    Lance

jlance@dbaix.oc.com
OpenConnect Systems
Dallas, Texcess
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: The boy who cried spaghetti.
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:36:24 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


ArrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooO!
From: r0th@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dr. Samuel Conway)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: gophers (Inducing learned aversion)
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:13:34 GMT
Reply-To: r0th@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Yes, the idea is sound, on paper.  
But, indeed, how do you propose to capture every single wolf in the
state and teach it that eating domestic animals will make it puke?
Also, it will only take one wolf who can't find enough gophers to
take down a sheep, and realize that they don't make him sick after
all....

----
Dr. Samuel Conway         *  "If the guest isn't singing, 'Oh What a Beautiful
Roving chemist, wildlife  *  Morning' I don't immediately think, 'Oh, there's
rehabilitator, and all-   *  another one snuffed it in the night!'  Another
around nice guy!          *  name in the Fawlty Towers book of Remembrance.
r0th@midway.uchicago.edu  *  I mean, this is a hotel, not the Burma Railway!"
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Virginia P Kunch)
Subject: Re: wolves in Texas
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:56:32 GMT

In article <jlance.714338478@dbaix.oc.com> jlance@dbaix.oc.com (Lance Jablonski) writes:
> Can someone help settle an inter-office dispute?  I say there hasn't
>been a wolf in the North Texas area for at lease a hundred years, while
>my hillbilly in-laws tell me they have "wolves" (coyotes) harassing
>their dog.  In addition, a female co-worker tells me she has seen
>a wolf too.  Now I would believe it if someone told me they saw one
>down around the Big Bend area, where I believe there is some sort
>of Red Mexican or Chihuahuan variety, but around Dallas? Please,
>someone back me up on this.
>
>                                    Lance
>
>jlance@dbaix.oc.com
>OpenConnect Systems
>Dallas, Texcess

About wolves in North Texas:  If you're talking about the grey wolf, Canis
lupus, you're correct.  The only place there are still grey wolves (documented)
in the Continental US (sorry places) are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Montana (moving
into Wyoming), Michigan, and maybe some other Canadian-boundary states.  The 
type of animal your friends may be discussing are Mexican wolves (also 
endangered), which are native to southwestern states, such as AZ, NM, and
possibly Texas.  But seeing as how they're endangered, I doubt that even
that was the case.  Are they sure it wasn't a coyote? -- One other alternative:
I may have mentioned this before, but people who try to keep wolves as pets
frequently don't know what they're in for, so they "return them to the wild" 
instead of trying to find them another home.  This is, of course, a ridiculous
idea.  For one thing, socialized wolves do not have the instinctual, self-
preserving shyness of wild wolves and are more likely to approach humans and
be killed, poisoned, lit on fire -- you know, all those lovely human things!
Anyway, the sightings may be of a released pet wolf.  I think wolves and 
hybrids have no restrictions on ownership, so.... (don't quote me on that;
I don't have my handy-dandy sheet)

Also, one comment on taste aversion:  Taste aversion can work with wolves
and other mammals, but it can lose its effectiveness over time due to things
like habituation (if a wolf gets hungry enough, one day it may try a non-
"altered" sheep and find it tasty) and ... well, you can't very well 
condition every animal in the area (adults may avoid the sheep, let's say, 
but eventually offspring will take over and pursue them anyway.)  I know
that this has been tried in the past with wolves, but it wasn't as effective
as preventative tactics such as guard dogs and secure enclosures.

-ginny kunch
vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
.

Newsgroups: alt.wolves,talk.environment,sci.environment,talk.politics.animals,rec.backcountry
From: sherod@newton.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod)
Subject: Re: Wolf Filmed in Yellowstone!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:41:10 GMT

In the Rocky Mountain News this morning (Sat. 8/15) there was a short
blurb reporting the existence of the film footage showing a "probable"
wolf.

Scott Herod
From: jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow)
Subject: Wolves in Montana
Reply-To: jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:57:44 GMT

We spent a couple weeks in June camping in Flathead National Forest (Just  
across North Fork form Glacier park - beautiful place) and saw two grey wolves.
I wasn't fast enough to get a picture of them. The ranger at Columbia Falls  
said that there was a small pack of 5 or 6 wolves in the area. 
This area is pretty wild and a few wolves probably won't interfere with  
anything. (Bears seem to be more of a nuisance than wolves at this time.)  Some  
more predators seem to be needed in the area since it seems to be overrun with  
gophers.  If you could train wolves to eat only gophers,....
Newsgroups: alt.wolves,talk.environment,sci.environment,talk.politics.animals,rec.backcountry
From: goldsman@cc.gatech.edu (Michael G. Goldsman)
Subject: Wolf Filmed in Yellowstone!!!
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:14:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: denver.cc.gatech.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Well it looks like my prediction last week that wolves would
naturally migrate back to Yellowstone in 5 years was off by
4 years 51 weeks. 


Last night on  Headline News tehy showed  a film that someone had made
of a wolf, coyote, and grizzly all feeding off a carcass.

Though it hasn't yet been confirmed that it was actually a wolf, it damn 
sure looked like one...   It was much bigger than the coyotem and it was
black.


I'll look in the papers today to see if there's any more information.


So I say, to Hell with the reintroduction plan!!



-Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: gophers
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:57:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

It is possible to get wolves (or most animals) NOT to eat certain
animals by using what is termed learned food aversion. It is achieved
by making the animal sick after eating the target species.  I have
seen a film of it being used with wolves. The wolf was put in an
enclosure with a sheep which it quickly killed and ate.  Then it was
fed a few bits of sheep meat with lithium chloride which it vomited.
When a sheep was then released into its large pen, it chased the
sheep; but when it was about to bite its neck, it backed away giving
submissive gestures.  This sequence was repeated about 3-4 times.
Then the sheep chased the wolf and it ran away.

Now if you had a gopher problem, and you knew wolves ate mainly sheep
and deer, you could induce an aversion to these two and the wolf
would be forced to eat gophers and mice for example.

I proposed this in scotland where foxes kill some rabbits but also
pheasant and grouse. THere are about 50 rabbits per acre (10 rabbits
eat the equivilent of one sheep) and they are quite a problem.
Funding was not forthcoming, but the idea was sound.


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Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand

Newsgroups: alt.wolves,rec.pets.dogs
From: jkh@sparc3.lotus.com (Jordan K Hubbard)
Subject: Re: response to rec.pets.dogs FAQ
Organization: Lotus Ireland
	<1992Jul27.235600.11732@odin.corp.sgi.com>
	<1992Jul28.154536.21659@newshost.lanl.gov>
	<1992Jul28.163744.14876@odin.corp.sgi.com>
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:51:13

>to survival in the wild.  how does one determine
>intellect in ANY species?  by observing how two
>types of animals react to the same stimulus.  my
>experiences with our previous dog and with our
>hybrid demonstrated that our hybrid was notably
>more intelligent based on the way she reacted.  

This raises some interesting possibilities, but I'll remain skeptical
that you've truly refined intelligence in the hybrid phenotype until
you've managed to demonstrate similar results with larger control and
experimental groups.  This doesn't mean that I think you're wrong, or
that you should embark on a campaign of canine eugenics just to prove
a point.  I'm merely saying that if you really want to make statements
like the above ["demonstrated that our hybrid was notably more
intelligent"], you should have sufficient data to back them up if you
want to be taken seriously.

				Jordan
From: vkunch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Virginia P Kunch)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: wolves in Texas
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:00:24 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

EEEKKK!!  I just read my own message and realize that instead of writing
(parenthetically) "sorry, what I mean to say was 'places' ", I said "sorry
places", implying that WI, MN, & MI are not pleasant places to live!  
As a cheesehead, myself, I apologize for any offense I may have caused!

-ginny k.
Newsgroups: alt.sports.darts
From: todd@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Todd)
Subject: Re: dart games
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:54:57 GMT

In <1992Aug19.113010.10194@waikato.ac.nz> electron@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>Could somebody post me the rules for the game -shangi
>ie the rule on splitting the trebbles,
>if you have to take the dart socres in order of which you threw them in.

>If somebody has a set of rules for different games could you please post them.
>ta much
>bruce rhodes
>university of waikato

>electron@waikato.ac.nz
The way we play is as follows:
usually the game is broken into segments: first game is 1-7 second is 8-14
and third is 15-bull. Each game is separate - we usually play 3 games in a
row. We usuall play each game for some small stake. (usually $.25 or $1.00)

First person starts with 1. You get 3 darts. If you hit your number, you can
shoot next (remaining dart from this turn at next higher number. If you hit
the next higher number on your second dart, you can go for the next highest).
Alternatively, you can throw all 3 darts at the same number.
You score a shanghai if your first 2 darts are a triple and a single in
any order and your third dart is a double. IE if shooting at 1's, you score
a shanghai by shooting 1, triple 1, double 1 OR triple 1, single 1, double 1.

We play that if you miss your number on a turn, you are out of that game.
Shanghai ends the game, winner takes all stakes. If someone gets a shanghai,
then anybody that hasn't shot on that turn gets a try to match the shanghai.
If they do -its a tie and the 2 people split the stakes. Another wrinkle we
sometimes throw in when playing with novice/beginning players is that instead
of being eliminated when missing your number - you throw in a dime (in the $.25)
cent game. The stakes are very friendly - we usually have 3 - 6 players and
the games go quite fast.

If nobody gets shanghai - you add up your points scored from all turns in
the game - high score wins. After finishing that game (1-7), start at 8 for nextgame with winner going first...and down the line.

-- 
===============================================================================
== Bob Todd --          -U of M Computer Services-       -- Networking Group ==
==                     E-mail Todd@ccu.Umanitoba.CA                          ==
===============================================================================
From: electron@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.sports.darts
Subject: dart games
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:30:10 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Could somebody post me the rules for the game -shangi
ie the rule on splitting the trebbles,
if you have to take the dart socres in order of which you threw them in.

If somebody has a set of rules for different games could you please post them.
ta much
bruce rhodes
university of waikato

electron@waikato.ac.nz

Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: A revolution is this:
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:50:06 GMT

   an overturning in the existing order of things and its replacement by
something else.  What distinguishes conservatives from normal people is that
they will insist on clinging to the status quo at nearly all costs and avoid
any kind of revolution out of a profound mistrust of its likely consequences
and out of future shock.  Bush is the archetypical conservative.
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: Re:         revolution
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:43:27 GMT

In article <92220.075845C05705DA@wuvmd.wustl.edu> C05705DA@WUVMD writes:
>as for the other revolutions, the base roots for starting the revolutions
>is from economy.  the american revolution rose up from constant taxations
>and oppositions.

That's odd.  So is the current American revolution.
From: William.C..Barwell@iphase.UUCP (William C. Barwell)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: New World Order
Date: 15 Aug 92  18:52:52 EST

Organization: Fennec Information Systems, Houston, Texas USA

During the Iraq fiasco, Bush's speech writers ressurrected an old phrase, 
'The New World Order'.  It was of course a gauzy, emotive, idealistic 
sounding phrase that really meant nothing.  A verbal inkblot far 
Americans to project onto.  Bush has since then been halfassedly filling 
in that blank spot bit by bit, though with no real vision or goal.
  Why does he and his cronys get to define 'New World Order'?  Why not 
us?  While this may not be 'revolution' with a capitol 'R', it's a start.
  I will suggest something for a start.  In the next 50 years, torture 
for all reasons must stop.  No nation can be allowed to use torture for 
control or harrassment of persons.  Not during wartime, for political 
reasons, or for any other reasons.  Nor can toture be tolerated by 
quasi-governmental forces or allowed to be used by non-governmental 
forces.  Any nation that fails to use it's powers to bring pressure on a 
government that allows or uses torture is as guilty as that nation that 
does use torture. 
  I paln to write this up in a more polished form and mail a letter off 
to both my Senators and my Congressman, President, ect. ect..  
  I think that outlawing torture on the planet earth in 50 years is 
immenintly possible and desirable.  Here is a short term goal that is 
totally possible.  Not exactly revolutionary perhaps to you 'n' me, but 
certainly to many governments of this world it certainly is.  
Unfortunatley it is also to some of our 'leaders'.  Bush's response to 
the plight of the Kurds, pre-invasion should prove this.
Comments, re-writes, ideas?  Remember that all the 'simple' freedoms we 
now enjoy were once revolutionary and often blasphemy to boot.

----------------
William C. Barwell [popec@fennec.sccsi.com]  //  Pope Charles
Pope Of the Church Of The SubGenius for the Golden Triangle Area
Laughing at everything in the Universe...including the concept of 
laughing at everything in the Universe!
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From: c9109149@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Utopia Mk 1
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:54:19 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

Mr J. wrote a piece requesting a new Purpose, presumably to be adopted
by the good and wise who would keep the purpose close to their hearts.
	This might be a good idea as far as revolutions go. Just envision
the UN committee writing a new advertising campaign to sell us a brighter
future, like by postulating the direction of the next 1000 or 2000 or 
50 000 years, ie global goal setting. "We the people of the world plan that 
in x years y will come to pass." blah blah blah. Some people would find
it uplifting because at least it is an acknowledgement that they know what 
they are doing. It wouldnt cost much and taking it as far in advance as 
possible and being as general as "by 3000 ad colonies on mars will be
productive" and even better "by 2010 every person will be issued with a 
minimum amount of food, clothing, shelter and will have every chance to 
live a long, productive and healthy life." . 
	Where is the harm in being a little positive minded. Freewill is
a good thing, but am I being naive for thinking positively, or are you
naive for believing that it could ****never**** work. If it could change
the lives of some kids, crims, junkies, POLITICIANS then is it worth it?
	After all, humans are here to stay. The sooner we get our shit together
the better and if we have to make a start somewhere, let it be in our minds,
because that is where freewill resides, not in a cops' .38, not in our 
governments lawbooks and not in a preachers spiel.
	Now worldwide live broadcasting is possible. One day we might be able
to design a future, and then aim for it, rather than drift into chaos and 
false hopes of bullshit messiahs and bullshit 'destinies'.
From: system@korova.uucp (razorback)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: you know
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:06:46 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

i am a supposed libertarian.

yes, folks, i am anarchy-LITE!!

actually, ive never been able to be much of an anarchist, as in the 
principia, "it has too many rules."

squid

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
From: popec@fennec.sccsi.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: New World Order
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 18:52:52 CST
Organization: Fennec Information Systems, Houston, Texas USA

During the Iraq fiasco, Bush's speech writers ressurrected an old phrase, 
'The New World Order'.  It was of course a gauzy, emotive, idealistic 
sounding phrase that really meant nothing.  A verbal inkblot far 
Americans to project onto.  Bush has since then been halfassedly filling 
in that blank spot bit by bit, though with no real vision or goal.
  Why does he and his cronys get to define 'New World Order'?  Why not 
us?  While this may not be 'revolution' with a capitol 'R', it's a start.
  I will suggest something for a start.  In the next 50 years, torture 
for all reasons must stop.  No nation can be allowed to use torture for 
control or harrassment of persons.  Not during wartime, for political 
reasons, or for any other reasons.  Nor can toture be tolerated by 
quasi-governmental forces or allowed to be used by non-governmental 
forces.  Any nation that fails to use it's powers to bring pressure on a 
government that allows or uses torture is as guilty as that nation that 
does use torture. 
  I paln to write this up in a more polished form and mail a letter off 
to both my Senators and my Congressman, President, ect. ect..  
  I think that outlawing torture on the planet earth in 50 years is 
immenintly possible and desirable.  Here is a short term goal that is 
totally possible.  Not exactly revolutionary perhaps to you 'n' me, but 
certainly to many governments of this world it certainly is.  
Unfortunatley it is also to some of our 'leaders'.  Bush's response to 
the plight of the Kurds, pre-invasion should prove this.
Comments, re-writes, ideas?  Remember that all the 'simple' freedoms we 
now enjoy were once revolutionary and often blasphemy to boot.

----------------
William C. Barwell [popec@fennec.sccsi.com]  //  Pope Charles
Pope Of the Church Of The SubGenius for the Golden Triangle Area
Laughing at everything in the Universe...including the concept of 
laughing at everything in the Universe!
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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.activism,alt.drugs,talk.abortion,talk.politics.drugs,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.elections
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Just Plain LIES!! (was Re: The facts about Roe, Doe, and Colautti)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:54:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Aug18.172452.10417@ncsu.edu>  dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.162323.30924@watson.ibm.com>
> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>
> > Of course it is.  You asked what I was talking about, and I told you.
>
> Try addressing the substance of my argument instead of resorting to
> character assassination.

"Assassination"?  Assuming you had any character to begin with, a better
description would be "suicide".  You *earned* your reputation for
deceit.

And as for your bogus claim that we have "virtual abortion-on-demand
throught the entire pregnancy", a simple way of disproving it is
pointing out the fact that there are only 3 doctors in the US who
perform third-trimester abortions, and they only do these for serious
medical reasons.  So even though RvW gives states the *option* of
deciding whether or not third-trimester restrictions are appropriate,
what we have in reality is a nationwide ban on third trimester abortions
for reasons other than severe threat to the woman's health.

If you disagree with this *reality*, then please provide documentation
showing that third-trimester abortions are taking place for trivial
reasons.  Otherwise, admit that your scare tactics are just that.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.legal