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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:16:18 GMT

In article 23590@nas.nasa.gov, dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
>>Another interesting tournament I played in once, which is along
>similar format, is that at the beginning of the round you start
>out with the standard 14 clubs.  After every non par#3 hole, you
>must DQ a club. 

Well, I've played a couple of courses that only had 3 par 3's....
Do you have to throw the ball on the 18th hole, or can you swing at it 
with your ball retriever???    8)   8)

ps - I don't have a 1-iron, and my driver's my best friend.  I really don't
     know when I'd use the 1-iron, as it is shorter than the driver, longer(?)
     than the 3-wood...  I have an old 2-iron for those "blast is outta da woods"
     shots.  Perhaps for control???  
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From: pgreen@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Philip Green)
Subject: Rules
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:03:30 GMT

Where can one obtain a copy of the Rules?

Thanks
-- 
Phil Green                           	pgreen@aoc.nrao.edu
NRAO					505.835.7294
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From: cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:30:04 GMT

Our company league is sponsoring a 3 club tournament in a couple of weeks.
Having never played in such a thing, I'm wondering--"Which three clubs
should I take?".  I don't know anything about the course, having never played
it before, and your putter does count as one of the clubs.  The only thing
I have decided is that the longest club I should take is a 3 wood.

The kind assistance from those who have played this type of format will be
appreciated.  




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From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow Play  was: : Divots.....
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:34:26 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In closing I think there are very few people who would not take my position
if someone were to be trying to rush your group in the manner I stated above.
Lord help the people who hit or come close to hitting my wife with a ball
because they thought we were too slow for them.

-James A. Spillane
----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is an entirely different "position" than your original post.
Hitting into the group in front to get them to speed up is flat
out unacceptable, and you have a right to be upset with anyone who
does.

I (and others, it seems) interpreted your original post as
basically saying "I payed my bucks, I can play as slow as
I please; screw anyone behind me and they should expect an 
ass kicking if they bug me about it"  It sounded like you were
out there looking for a fight.

You said nothing about proper etiquette, or that your violence
would be directed at only those who hit at you or your wife.
You should have expected to get flamed.

jaym
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From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Subject: Re: Fixing Ballmarks (was: D
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:29:00 GMT

In article <715406540.F00003@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
>JV>if you could spend  $0.50 on a divot fixer, as the circumference is much
>less
>JV>than a tee, and 2 points are better than one.  Now if I
>JV>could figure out a way
>JV>to not lose the damn divot tool, so that the $0.50 doesn't
>JV>turn into $10/yr....
>
>Jim,  I  lose those divot fixers, too and they are tough to fish out
>of your shorts/pants pocket--if you're like  me  and  have  tees  in
>there  too.   I  noticed one of the players at the Northgate Classic
>LPGA tournament I attended had a divot fixer on kind of a money clip
>thingee clipped to the edge of her shorts pocket.  GREAT IDEA.  Now,
>who knows where I can buy a divot fixer like this?  I  haven't  seen
>any in the golf mail order mags.

One of the courses I play at give away ball mark fixers for free.  They
set them right next to the score cards and pencils.  They're just
little plastic things that I'm sure only cost the club a few cents
each.

Roger
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From: kam@hpcvxkm.cv.hp.com (Keith Marchington)
Subject: Re: The pros aligning the
Reply-To: kam@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: UTD-CV Corvallis, OR
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:26:56 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.205259.8441@rose.com>, bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com
(bohdan kiszczuk) writes:
|> 
|> R > What are the pros doing when they turn their ball around before
|> R > putting?  Are they lining up the ball with the name stamp (legal?)
|> R > or rotating the ball so that only white shows?  They all seem to 
|> R > do it and even with the very short putts (time waster alert!!).
|> R > 
|> 
|>         They're lining up the ball with the name stamp.


Hmmmm... hard to say.  Most of them have their own routine.  I myself,
set the ball with all white showing on the top with just the number of
the ball showing at the strike point.  This gives me a "focus spot."
I then concentrate on that spot.  Helps keep the eye on the ball and
reduces head pull.  

As for line-up, I always look for a spot on the green and then set up
to that line.  From then on I use "the force."

Keith Marchington
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From: tkorho@cs.joensuu.fi (Tommi Korhonen)
Subject: A saturday match perhaps? (Links 386 owners!)
Keywords: Links
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:46:33 GMT


All Links 386 Pro owners: (and possible to be owners as well)

I live overseas -Finland- and my access to the CSN (Computer
Sports Network, the service you have there...) would be VERY hard,
expensive and limited, so I thought that we Golfers on the net 
might have our own frinedly mathes? 

The idea of wasting Net's BandWidht is not quite appealing, thought 
the files do not take much space, but we might have a mailing list?
I really am not very used to mailing lists but if you and you and you 
liked to have a nice game of golf, mailed me so ve could perhaps 
organize a group. 
Everyone played ,say once a week, a game he mailed to everyone else, 
and they could play their's whenever they want to. And each week you
played the Course (??, Harbor Town supposedly, if we all didn't have the 
rest of the courses) with the others, and by next saturday you left your 
game in. The others could use the file for their next week game etc.

Someone could keep book of the games. Or maybe we just wanted to play.
If you are interested, even in trying, mail me. Especially if you are 
experienced with mailing lists...

How's that for an idea?

me, 30 handicapper on this world. (about +4 in Links...)
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It's Tkorho above there, at tokorhon@messi.uku.fi
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From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Subject: Divots.....
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:50:35 GMT

I am curious as to whether it is good to take a divot
or not.  If it is good, when is it good, how large 
should the divot be?  Does the club make the difference,
I am aware that a wood should not make a "divot", but
do different brands of clubs make more of a divot than
others?  What is your opinion, an enquiring mind would
like to know.

Swing!

Harlan 
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From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:44:26 GMT
Summary: How do you take turf without breaking your wrists or clubs?

I've heard the advice to hit down on the ball and don't worry if
you take some turf afterwards often enough, and seen those rugs
that the pros slice out, but wondered whether one needs specially
sharpened clubs or needs to play on a course with fairways the
consistency of a peat bog to avoid breaking something.  Seriously,
every time I hit down on the ball, I come away feeling like I just
tried to chop into an oak tree with my 9 iron and wondering
wheater my club and my bones are still in one piece.  Does this
really work on rock hard midwestern fairways?  My own experience
is that I seem to hit a lot more consistently picking the ball
clean or nearly so than I do when trying to hit down through the
ball, and risking hitting behind it.  (Very easy and very
unforgiving, for me).  Now the advice to get to the pin is right
on and usable by anyone.  Aside from lowering your score, sinking
a pick or a chip is usually a thrill worth the price of the round!

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:11:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.103545@screwdriver.Prime.COM>, lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> It is all personal preference, what makes you comfortable on the course, and
|> |> hey if you want to take 5 practice swings, go for it, who cares.  Relax.
|> |> 
|> |> -- 
|> 
|>   I'm not against taking a practice swing or two but taking more 
|> than two will invite slow play.   There is nothing more aggrevating
|> than watching someone take 2,3,or 4 practice swings and then proceed
|> to hit it sideways or just beyond their shadow.   If you are not
|> a good player, don't waste your time and others (especially those
|> behind you) by taking all those practice swings.  "Grip it and
|> rip it".
|> 
|> Paul


If you're in hurry, don't come out and play.  I think it's time we all realized
that the sport of golf is growing very rapidly.  Everyone out on the course
is not a low handicapper, give em a break, they need time to learn the game as
much as you and I did when we started.  

If you want to bitch about slow play, bitch to the course owners, pros and 
managers who send groups off at 3-5 minute intervals.  They're the ones 
causing the problems, not me and my practice swing!

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From: kwokfm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Frankie Man Wai Kwok)
Subject: GOLF CLUBS WANTED
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:30:42 GMT

Greetings to all.  After intense practices lately, me and my girlfriend
have grown beyond our 7 irons.  We are currently looking for two 
sets of used golf clubs (one set man's, one set lady's, both of us are
right handed.)  If anyone has a set of clubs they would like to sell, 
please let me know.  You can respond with e-mail to this address, or 
give me a call at (415)493-8525.  I would prefer a response from the
San Francisco Bay Area.  Thanks!
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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: Fixing Ballmarks (was: Divots...)
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:55:45 GMT

In article 18494@lth.se, d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg) writes:
>In article <42760026@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, steed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Gary Steed) writes:
> I have learned by my pro that you should NOT try to pull up the grass in the 
> hole to fill the hole, then the grassroots die and you get a brown spot.
> Instead you should insert the tee and then press the edges down towards the hole
> This should be repeated from all sides of the mark.
That is correct sir!  Sorry, I used to watch Johnnie too much...  I just can't 
seem to go woof, woof, woof for Arsenio...  I digress.  It would be preferable
if you could spend  $0.50 on a divot fixer, as the circumference is much less
than a tee, and 2 points are better than one.  Now if I could figure out a way 
to not lose the damn divot tool, so that the $0.50 doesn't turn into $10/yr....

Also, fixing 1 other divot is great.  Although I have seen a few anal-retents 
that wlak around the green fixing many, while it was his turn to putt.  grrrr.

I enjoyed reading the FLAME wars on slow play.  I stayed out, because I hate 
bowling, and if someone recommended that I go bowl....

Everyone seems to have a slighty differnet angle, but I hope we all agree that
even if you have this nagging obsession of taking multiple practice swings on 
EVERY shot, if you do it prior to your turn, Bless you.  More often than not,
people wait till it's there turn to hit to start they're little golf dance
ritual.  Argghh...   Grip it and Rip it...  Catchy....      8)

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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: sybervision
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:17:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Does anyone know if Sybervision still makes their golf tape?
Does anyone have one they'd like to get rid of?  Thanks!


Jeff       wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:23:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: chiton.1992Aug28.172320.13672
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

In article <1992Aug28.103545@screwdriver.Prime.COM> lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg) writes:
>|> 
>|> It is all personal preference, what makes you comfortable on the course, and
>|> hey if you want to take 5 practice swings, go for it, who cares.  Relax.
>
>  I'm not against taking a practice swing or two but taking more 
>than two will invite slow play.   There is nothing more aggrevating
>than watching someone take 2,3,or 4 practice swings and then proceed
>to hit it sideways or just beyond their shadow.   If you are not
>a good player, don't waste your time and others (especially those
>behind you) by taking all those practice swings.  "Grip it and
>rip it".

Everything is relative. I've played with people who take 3 or 4 practice
swings but they were ready to hit when it was their turn, and/or they walked
fast, and/or they lined up there put WHILE it was someone else's turn to putt.
On the other hand, I've played with people who don't take practice swings, but
take 5 minutes to pick the "right club", wait until it's their turn to start
thinking about what club to use, and wait until it's their turn to start plomb-
bobbing and reading the green. The amount of practice swings, as well as of
waggles, are a personal choice for a pre-shot routine, so if someone needs 2 or
3 practice swings is fine with me. A slow player is made by more than this
though. Actually I'd feel more exasperated by those players who take their 
stance and freeze over the ball for, what it seems, ages (a la Wayne Levi) than 
by those who take a few practice swings.

Martin
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From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:30:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.180812.28547@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:
>In article mzimmers@netcom.com, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>The most important thing about a divot is:  correctly replacing it!
>>Retrieve as many pieces as possible, quickly fit them to their original
>
>This may not be recommended, depending on the area.  MOST places, yes.  When
>I lived in Florida, the land of sunshine and near-deads, it was a bad thing
>to replace one's divot's.   They give you a bucket of green sand to fill in 
> 
>

One time I was playing and thought to myself. Doesn't anyone
here replace their divots .. until ... I saw the crows turning
divots over and out their spots to get at freshly revealed 
worms.

BTW Don't replace divots on the greens. Just run and hide! 
8-)

Mike N.
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From: jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:53:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.173315.6199@mmm.serc.3m.com>, us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
|> ... much deleted ...
|> I take a swish at the ground with long irons and my woods.  About an 1/8
|> swing.  Why?  Habit.  Addressing the ball.  Getting the feel for the
|> club.  It doesn't consume much time.  I don't get why people take
|> practice swings after the first hole.  And if they do take practice
|> swings  ONE IS ENOUGH!  
|>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
      AMEN !!!!
       
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Fax (205)730-6239                     Huntsville, AL 35894-0001
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From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Slope rating questions
Summary: Anybody out there able to make authoritive answers about slope?
Keywords: slope, rating
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:02:17 GMT

Hi!  I'm working on the slope rating committee for a section of Nova Scotia.
I was wondering if there is anyone who regularly reads rec.sport.golf who
could offer (semi-)authoritative answers on slope rating procedures.

For instance, when rating green target, one has to decide whether a green
is "crowned".  Now, my idea of whether a green is crowned is somewhat
different from what we're being told.  I've played on courses where
almost all the greens are crowned in the sense that balls will roll off
the edges all alround the green -- but my committee has been told that
a much looser definition of "crowned" is to be used.  

Anyway, just wondering whether there are net.people who wish to discuss
these topics.

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From: donald@meaddata.com (Donald Parrish)
Subject: Re: Hogan Tour
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:28:05 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <jac1.715316006@Isis.MsState.Edu>, jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox) writes:
|> 
|> I hate to show my ignorance, but what exactly is the Hogan tour.  I
|> have read about it in the paper but don't know.  Are they pro's, seniors,
|> amatuers, pro-am????  Just wondering.  Thanks alot.
|> 
|> 

The Hogan tour is for "wanna-be" professionals. It's designed to
teach a player hour to manage his game, how to win and to refine
his game so he can get on tour. Each year the top 5 money winners
on this tour get their PGA tour cards. Next year, in 1993, the
name of the tour is being changed to the Nike tour.

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From: jyct@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (John Yew Choong THAM)
Subject: To buy clubs in America or South East Asia? 
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:15:46 GMT

Hi,

	I going on a trip to the States at the end of this
	year and this will be followed up by a trip to
	Singapore.  I'd like to buy some new irons and I'm
	just wondering whether I should buy the clubs from
	the States or from Singapore.  Does anyone have any 
	knowledge of relative costs between the two 
	countries?

	I'm looking towards buying a set of Mizuno TP-9's 
	or TP-11's unless I find something else I like 
	better.

Thanks in advance,
John.
Internet Address : jyct@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golfing Tours
From: geog421@matai.vuw.ac.nz
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:13:52 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington,  NZ
Summary: Need Details

Golf Tours

Do any well organised tours/packages exist in USA, Australia, New Zealand?

If yes what are the details.

Cheers
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