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From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Life after CDs
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:26:40 GMT
 <1992Jul23.041115.20377@bilver.uucp><14mdkjINNb4m@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM><1992
 Jul23.221924.681@news.columbia.edu> <ERIC.92Jul23182226@napa.telebit.com>
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <ERIC.92Jul23182226@napa.telebit.com> eric@telebit.com writes:

> >>On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:19:24 GMT, lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) said:
> > The part I heard was that this requirement wasn't going to work at the
> > designated sample rate of 48 KHz, so they cut it back to 44.1 to squeeze it
> > in.
> 
> I seriously doubt that, since PCM recording equipment already existed that
> used 44.056 KHz sampling, whereas I don't think anything in mass production
> used 48.0 KHz sampling at that time.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eric
It is instructive to read the minutes of the standards commitees in
the AES from around 82. 44.056 was used only because 44.1 wouldn't
work with ntsc VCR's: for PAL it was always 44.1. The AES wanted 48kHz
because of compatibility with the 24frames p s of motion film. They
pleaded (their word) with Sony not to adopt 44.1. Sony said it was
"a business decision, not a technical one" and stuck to 44.1
There was also a strong push to limit frq response to 16kHz.
At the time there were various digital practices: Telarc, for eg,
used 50kHz. Several Hollywood studios had 48kHz digital edit suites,
apparently little used (too hard to edit on).

Have fun y'all,
Graham B
From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Best news about LPs...
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:50:16 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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t8800568@phillip.edu.au writes:
: In article <1992Jul26.013138.29209@u.washington.edu>, ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
: > 
: > 	  ...is that they are on their way out.
: > 
: > 	That's my impish side talking. Seriously, what is the future for
: > 	LPs? A local music store had two dozen cutouts and no more! I am
: > 	curious as to why people are investing hundreds, if not thousands,
: > 	of dollars on a technology that is being phased out rather rapidly.
: 
: Cause it sounds much better I guess.
: 
: What is the future of LPs?  They don't have one.

If my comments sound like flames, they are. But not at 't8800568' or V
Nagarajan, but instead at the recordcompanies and Low/HiFi manufacturers. Too
bad they are not reading this....

1) It sounds much better.
2) Some people have several hundred (thousand?) LP:s that they don't want to
   change into CD (buying the same thing again, paying 1.5 times the price
   and it still sounds worse. At least at this point in time).
3) Some people hate the recordcompanies for throwing out the LP so soon, just
   to make a nice profit. The introduction of the CD must be one of the most
   well thought out and successful marketing ventures in modern history. They
   actually got away with raising the prices with (sometimes more than) 50 %,
   while nearly reducing the costs of manufacture and not necessarily improving
   the product for the customer. Most CD:s that are sold today are exactly the
   same versions as the LP:s. No more music. Just more money to buy it !
   But then again, the recordcompanies don't care the least about music.
   They even help introduce DCC and MiniDisc, systems that are worse than CD:s,
   since they think (like some component manufacturers) that CD:s are of an
   unnecessary high quality for use in a normal home. Sheesh....

LISTEN and enjoy,
Sture
From: mwh45279@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc Henkel)
Subject: Re: Advice requested for a 3 channel amp
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.225311.5855@b23a.ingr.com> bishop@b23a.ingr.com (David Bishop) writes:
>I have a Carver CT-17 preamp tuner and a TFM-25 amp driving
>some really big Klipsch speakers. The preamp has built-in 
>surround sound capabilities to run 5 speakers. ( 2 main front,
>2 rear and 1 center dialogue channel) I am about ready to 
>expand the system to it's full surround sound glory and I need
>some info about amps. My main amp is 2 channels (225 watts per chan)
>and drives the mains up front. Now I need amps to drive the
>rear and center channel. A while back I saw a Carver 3-channel amp
>suited for this purpose, but it was about $650 which I thought was
>a little much. Should I go with a 3-channel amp or get 2 amps and
>bridge one into mono for the center channel? Are there other good
>3-channel amps that anyone would care to recommend? 
>
>All replies are most welcome. 
>
>*******************************************************************************
> David J. Bishop - Systems Manager - Publishing          Offer me solutions,
> Intergraph Corporation                                  offer me alternatives,
> david@bishop.b23a.ingr.com                              and I decline. 
> (205)730-8318  (digital beeper 720-1443)              
>*******************************************************************************

I don't have the stats in front of me, but I know that Carver makes a 
Prologic Surround Processor (model DL-33 I think!).  It has amps built in
to drive at least the rear speakers (not sure of the wattage), and maybe
even the center speaker (it would make sense), but did not have any 
amplification for the front speakers, which would suit your application
perfectly.  It had a few different surround modes (Hall, Church, etc), 
and some other adjustment nobs on it.  The feature that really got me
was that it had a subwoofer connection that had already been through
a cross-over.  Just hook up an amp and your favorite monstrous woofer
and get ready to really make your downstairs neighbors smile.  I think
it lists for about $450, but I remember seeing it for around $340 from
a mail-order place.  Happy hunting.


Marc Henkel
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana
mwh45279@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: t8800568@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Best news about LPs...
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:57:34 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <4729@othmar.lulea.trab.se>, sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
> t8800568@phillip.edu.au writes:

> 
> 1) It sounds much better.
> 2) Some people have several hundred (thousand?) LP:s that they don't want to
>    change into CD (buying the same thing again, paying 1.5 times the price
>    and it still sounds worse. At least at this point in time).
> 3) Some people hate the recordcompanies for throwing out the LP so soon, just
>    to make a nice profit. The introduction of the CD must be one of the most
>    well thought out and successful marketing ventures in modern history. They
>    actually got away with raising the prices with (sometimes more than) 50 %,
>    while nearly reducing the costs of manufacture and not necessarily improving
>    the product for the customer. Most CD:s that are sold today are exactly the
>    same versions as the LP:s. No more music. Just more money to buy it !
>    But then again, the recordcompanies don't care the least about music.
>    They even help introduce DCC and MiniDisc, systems that are worse than CD:s,
>    since they think (like some component manufacturers) that CD:s are of an
>    unnecessary high quality for use in a normal home. Sheesh....
> 
> LISTEN and enjoy,
> Sture

[climbs on a soap box]

Well, I cant help but AGREE with you.  It is my firm belief (said in a JFK
voice) however, that CD can, and will, improve to the point that it equals,
and finally supasses vinyl.  Although it is true that the record companies,
and the big corps like Sony and Phillips dont care (well, not much anyway)
about sound quality, there are quite a few manufacturers, and recording 
engineers out there who DO. With any luck the improvements made by these 
smaller entities will trickle down to the mass market. 

[falls off his soap box]

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From: jabbi@anthem.Eng.Sun.COM (Aman Jabbi)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: BOOMING Vandersteen 2Ci's..... A great depression!!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: jabbi@anthem.Eng.Sun.COM (Aman Jabbi)
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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This is concerning the placement of my speakers (vandersteen 2ci).


I have just moved into a new apartment - top floor with carpeting (as opposed to a ground floor apt. I was previously living in and had a concrete floor + carpeting). 

I set up my equipment yesterday in a large living room. The speakers are 
about 6.5 feet apart, 2 feet away from the back wall and 4+ feet away from the side walls.
And the room (especially the floor is *BOOMING* like hell!!! In other words, I'm horrified.

One obvious "reduction of booming" scheme is to move the speakers further up from the back wall
which I intend to do today. But I don't think that'll remove the floor from vibrating and 
sending up sound waves through my feet and spine into my nerves. I *do not* wish the floor to 
be a medium for communicating the music to me.

This is an emergency. Especially after I just spent tons of dosh on a new transport and DAC 
- to listen to a boom box?!!

Other Info that might help: I have sound anchor stands and I have the spikes at about 
1 inch length as opposed to 2/3 rd of an inch earlier (in my ground floor apt.).

Should I also desparately tighten the bolts which hold the speakers to the stands???



HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Somebody - make it happen. A free dinner if u're in the bay area - I promise.


Aman
 


Is this a good concept (I've never tried it though). Placing a 10"x8" rubber pad under each 
speaker stand??? Or might i get tube traps and waste precious dollars in an accoustically 
deplorable environment.....
From: daniel@netcom.com (Sam Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Article on DAT-based Portable Studio?
Keywords: DAT
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:17:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

About 12-18 months ago, there was an article in one of the major
audio/stereo magazines about a recording engineer who used a DAT and
other portable equipment to record a series of concerts in Japan.

A friend of mine wants to read the article, but I no longer have it.
Can anyone help out by mailing me a xerox of it?

Thanks in advance...
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From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:27:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Vandersteen discount...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

In rec.audio, kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:

> I think that most (or at least many) dealers will give 10% discounts off
> of high end components.  What you can't expect is the 30% or more discount
> you can find on Sony or Pioneer components.  The most important thing is
> to ask for the discount, a dealer may not offer it unless you ask.

In addition to asking...

At the risk of revealing my age, back in the 60's, before the Fair Trade
Laws were repealed, manufacturers had tight control over retail prices.
Sellers could not discount without factory permission.  The workaround for
this was to order a "system", that is, at least one other component not made
by the vendor of interest.  A dealer wouldn't discount a pair of Advent
speakers, but they would cut a deal if you also wanted an AR turntable.

This still works, and is useful now that makers are trying to exert more
control over sellers once again.  Last year I got a better price on a pair
of Vanders plus a Sony DAT deck than I would have gotten, with more effort,
on either individually.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rup@piis10.joanneum.ac.at (Georg RUPPERT (DIBAG))
Subject: Re: Cyrus/Mission amps
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 11:23:40 GMT

kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman) writes:
: I purchased a used MF A1 about 5 years ago from someone who had just
: "upgraded" to a Cyrus II. I'm not sure that I agreed with his
: decision, but I was happy to accept the A1 at a good price. He was
: running large JSB (I think that's the brand) and preferred the sound
: of the Cyrus on them.
: 
I had one for about one year. I personally like its warm and smooth 
sound similar to valve equipment, which I own now. 

: | I find that the MF amps tend to throw an excessively lively sound at
: | you.  It turns everything slow into a dance version.
: 
: I would say that the A1 is definitely more forward. I had a chance to
: compare my A1 against a Cyrus I in my home and came out prefering the
: more forward sound and deeper (or at least more pronounced) bass of
: the A1.
: 
: | The Cyrus sound is much more controlled and precise and has stunning
: | stage focus.
: 
: This control may have been what I was hearing. They certainly do sit
: back a ways compared to the A1, at least on LCM-1 speakers.
: 
As you can see, you either listen yourself to the amps or take the A1
if you like tube-like sound well suited to voices and acoustic music
or the Cyrus if you listen a lot to pop/rock/electric/synthy music.

: One more thing on the A1 amplifier. I had real problems with the
: volume pot on mine. I used to leave the amp on a lot, and it idled
: very hot (as expected from class A equipment.) The pot eventually got
: so noisy that just touching it would cut the left channel in at full
: volume. I gave up on cleaning it every few days and traded the amp in.

I made no bad experiences with my A1 (built 1990).

Georg.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bishop@b23a.ingr.com (David Bishop)
Subject: Advice requested for a 3 channel amp
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:53:11 GMT

I have a Carver CT-17 preamp tuner and a TFM-25 amp driving
some really big Klipsch speakers. The preamp has built-in 
surround sound capabilities to run 5 speakers. ( 2 main front,
2 rear and 1 center dialogue channel) I am about ready to 
expand the system to it's full surround sound glory and I need
some info about amps. My main amp is 2 channels (225 watts per chan)
and drives the mains up front. Now I need amps to drive the
rear and center channel. A while back I saw a Carver 3-channel amp
suited for this purpose, but it was about $650 which I thought was
a little much. Should I go with a 3-channel amp or get 2 amps and
bridge one into mono for the center channel? Are there other good
3-channel amps that anyone would care to recommend? 

All replies are most welcome. 

*******************************************************************************
 David J. Bishop - Systems Manager - Publishing          Offer me solutions,
 Intergraph Corporation                                  offer me alternatives,
 david@bishop.b23a.ingr.com                              and I decline. 
 (205)730-8318  (digital beeper 720-1443)              
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm)
Subject: Re: SONY pitch-control CD PLAYER question
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:04:05 GMT

In article <3899@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> damian+@pitt.edu (Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging) writes:
>Hello,
>
>	I am at work, and I dont have the model number with me, but I am
>interested in buying a SONY CD PLAYER with the following specs
...

It is the CDP-K1. I bought mine back in April for $350 Cdn. so that I could
"fix" the tempo of ballroom music on non-ballroom albums. It sounds like a
CD player (what can I say :-).

   George


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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need Abuse
Keywords: JVC XL-Z1050TN
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:18:22 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Jul29.200417.3193@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu 
(Tony Travaglini) writes:
>I just went out and bought (on the advice of a friend)  a JVC
>XL-1050TN CD player for $625 which I love dearly. However, considering
>the way my life has been going lately I just know that I could have
>gotten something twice as good at half the price. Your mission; tell
>me what I should have gotten. I am feeling too good about this
>purchase and am in need of some straightening out. 

>Come on! You can do it.

Leme see...ah....ah..... OK here goes.

I heard that JVC has the XL-1050TNa model out that fixes all of the
known flaws of the XL-1050TN model and they dropped the price
$200.......

How's that?

(not)

-- 
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chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: frankel@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Adam Frankel)
Subject: A/V receiver recs wanted
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: rec.audio
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:46:30 GMT

Getting ready to jump and buy a Sony STR D 2070.  Although I had been 
considering Yamaha RX-1050, JVC RX-950 VTN as well.  The Sony is cheaper than
these others (ties with the RX-950).  What I really want is a Yamaha DSP A-1000
but can't afford the $1300.  Any suggestions recommendations from owners or 
knowledgable people?

thanks in advance,
adam
From: evb@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Good Quality Speakers?
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: evb@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: logrus.eng.sun.com

>>If bass is all that you are really interested in, try some Cerwin-Vegas.  However,
>>they won't do much for accuracy... But at 98 dB efficiency or higher, you can get
>>a ton of noise from these things.  Same goes for Klipschhorns (sp?).  As for a
>>good speaker with lots of base, you could always buy a seperate subwoofer....

>Oh, come on.  Comparing a classic like the K-horn to Cerwin Vega?
>You must be kidding.  Don't even mention in the
>same breath together.  I have heard both. One is maybe worth the
>money, one isn't.  At least to people interested in bass.

>(Yeah, I admit the K-horn ain't the most uncolored speaker
>out there.  But Paul Klipsch did claim it had about the lowest
>FM distortion (??).  Long time ago, in JAES.)

>newell

I was not discussing the musical merits of either speaker.  I merely was pointing
out that both use arrangements that give them high effeciency, and therefore they
can play loudly.
Newsgroups: rec.audio,alt.folklore.computers,rec.music.cd
From: reggel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans-Juergen Reggel)
Subject: Re: Two-sided CD's *DO* exist! (was Re: Life after CDs)
Originator: reggel@hphalle7c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:37:59 GMT


>>Yes, Polygram recently issued a promo-only CD single that features music
>>on both sides (one side features a track from A Man Called (E); the second
>>side features a track from Shakespeare's Sister). The minimal information 
>>printed on the CD is confined to the blank space around the spindal hole.
>>I'm not sure how they manufactured it.
>
>I had one of these.  It appeared to be two conventional CDs 
>glued together.  I was curious about both artists, but I never got
>to hear the disc; my CD player made the most awful mechanical noises
>when it tried to spin the disc up, probably due to the excess mass
>or thickness.  (My machine's a Magnavox front-loader, nothing special.)
>So I guess this has to be counted as a promotional failure on 
>Polygram's part.  :-)

I got this CD, too. But I managed to solve the problem of playing it:
After closing the tray (got a DENON DCD 1520) i hold it closed and press
the OPEN/CLOSE button twice in short success. The CD is 'shaked' so that
it falls upon the post. 
You could also try a LD player, which is made for thicker and heavier Discs.
But after all, the songs are not very listenable but the gimmick is real good.

                                                                 Hans-Juergen
From: frank@advansoft.com (Frank Tsang)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: B&K PRO-5 PREAMP FOR SALE
Keywords: MINT CONDITION
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:54:06 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA
Originator: frank@arc

FOR SALE: Audiophile Amp and Preamp

B&K ST-140 Power Amp.   SOLD
B&K PRO-5  Pre Amp.     $300 obo + Shipping

Both mint; original owner;
with original packaging, manuals.
Will deliver within the SF bay area.

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