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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Oct1.122010.4509@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:39:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.122010.4509@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

   I have always wondered why some people consider laws against littering
   or other various anti-social acts 'undemocratic.' As far as I am concerned,
   if you don't want the law on your back, don't litter, flush the toilet,
   don't spit in public, cross the streets when the 'walking-man' is green,
   don't smoke in cinemas or restaurents, etc. No doubt, there would be many
   who find life not worth living because they have been deprived of their
   constitutional right to spit and litter. However, perhaps it was because
   I had been socialised since youth by such prohibitions that I do not feel
   the lack.

I, as a Singaporean, have nothing against anti-littering laws.  But sometimes,
things can get a little out of hand.  I AM against the ISA and the chewing-gum
ban: which are, IMHO, antiquated (and possibly misused) and an over-reaction,
respectively.



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From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: BIG BROTHER
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:39:46 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


	someone writing of big brother reminded me of something

	during the re-registration of ics in singapore, 

		1. 	all the photos had to be of some *precise*
		format, size, background...

		2.	the photos were scanned

		3.	thumbprints were also gotten to the
		computers through some machine

	that feels BIG BROTHERISH to me.

	rather worrying is the scanning of the photos.

	i guess that automatic recognition of photos is not
	possible nowadays, but i think the ISS is working on
	such things.

	if it does prove possible to do so, or even to use
	computers to narrow down the search for recognizing people
	from photos, then anyone in power can take pictures of
	people anywhere and know immediately who they are.

	as long as you can *trust* the people in power, i guess
	that's not too bad. but if you can't trust these people...


	anyone any thoughts about that ??
	
	anyone from ISS to tell about their image processing
	research??


	kpurang
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:15:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct8.114527.15369@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian) writes:

> I am back on here again.  I am not here to flame anybody.  Just kind
> of bewildered after being called a dictator (or a potential one).  Though
> I did not know that Rahmat has a permit, it is still pretty weird that 
                                                              ^^^^^
> the Information Minister has the satellite dish at home instead of 
> having it in the office.  Plus, ministers are not included in the list
> of people who can own a satellite dish (from what I have read in 
> soc.culture.asean).  Anyway, I drop this issue.  (Don't want to be 
> arrested under ISA, you know.)  :-)  

	There is nothing weird about this incident.  This is another 
blatant example of abuse of power and corruptions in Malaysia.  As long
as government officials know they can get away with those practices, there
is a strong tendency to do it.
	Think about it, if I were the corrupt official and get exposed
in the media about my misdemanor, I know my boss will protect me (if I
still get along politically with him).   He will arrest the reporter
under the pretense of breaking 'national security'.   I will be home
free.
	This is the reason why government posts attract unscrupulous 
people.  A lot of the scum bags go into politics not to serve but
to get rich quick.  A fish is rotten from the head first.  As long
as the top guy is without integrity, you can bet the smaller guys
at the bottom will be dishonest too.
	  


Jack Teh




> Me.
> 
> from the Remote Pseudo Artic Town,
> Hanover, New Hampshire.
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:53:38 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct7.060951.29023@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

> Another potential dictator. Presumed guilty even before any trial.
> With so many dictators around, it is indeed surprising that we have
> a democracy at all.
> 
	We (I am sure you are refering to Malaysia) do NOT have a 
democrary.  According to your definition, presumed guilty even before trial
is dictatorship, then let me remind you that we have ISA in Malaysia.


Jack Teh
> --
> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:18:30 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct11.160332.4454@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (HY KOK) writes:
[munch munch]
> Why not built it yourself.  The cost is cheap and it is easy to figure out

	The only people with enough $$$ to do it in M'sia are usually working. 
And if you are working, you usually don't want to mess around with it just to
save a couple of hundred bucks.

> how the connections works.  I'm sure you can get cheap hardware parts from
> Taiwan, etc, but the problem is probably NO technical support.  There should

	And where to get it from too...  Not many people know about local
distributors for boards.  A 386 motherboard cost about M$1200 I believe.

> be plenty of books available on this subject.  Just jump in a bookstore and
> library to read what you think will help, and yes, this info. are FREE!!!

	Again, not many people have access to these kinds of info, and don't
really want to risk their money.  I would probably do it, but then I am "crazy"
anyways... :)  The libraries are not that well-equiped (at least I could never
find the kinds of books I wanted...  technical ones that is)  It is getting
better tho...

> Another problem is probably import tax, which I don't really know much in
> Malaysia.  I know there are many Taiwanese Computer Company located in 

	The last I heard, import tax was 10%, and there is a sur tax of 5% on
top of that (ie, 15.5% total tax) for computer hardward/software.  Printers are
taxed on a different rate tho (30%?)

> Califonia are willing to sell their hardware cheap, it just a matter of
> how good a bargainer you are.

	It will be quite hard to bargain by mail if you think about it.  Not
many people willing to call long distance just to try to bargain.  Besides, are
you sure they are willing to bargain?  Hmm...  I need a SCSI backup system...
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:22:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.125841.26331@nuscc.nus.sg> elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free
Man) writes:
>
>   i recall that the satelite facility in my former uni in kl, has the
>capability of tapping signals from the palapa satelite. so, should that
>facility be screened too ??? hmm ... noticed then that tv programming of
>m'sia's neighbours were pretty liberal !
>
>
>========================================================================

>
>Looi Kwok Onn
>EE Dept,                              "Jim, I have no ego to satisfy",
>National University of Singapore.      Spock.
>elelko@nuscc.nus.sg
>
>========================================================================



  Indonesian goverment try to regulate sateliet dis honce too
  every owner have to register and can only aim the dish to palapa
  only so you can only receive RTM1 RTM2 TV3Thai station, Phillipines
  in addition to Indonesia TVRI. But almost no body follow the rules.
   you can see  16 foot dish aim at horizon. not up ward to palapa.
  And i believe once Australian Goverment try to Lease either 
  Palapa or other satelite to broadcast its separate programming
  to indonesia.(Hint special means :Created for  Indonesian consump
  tion). Of course after barrage of protest from Indo Gov.  Australia
  Drop the idea. Its seems that iindonesian Gov. View it the same as 
  the propaganda bradcast  of VOA or other to communist country.

     Indonesia gov. are pretty nervous about  the dish too. But
  the dish are too popular for the people who has endure long 
  period of poor programming by TVRI. Beside from the city i came from
  TV3 is our favorite beside RTM1 and 2 we can receive it with
  17 meters of pole and big tv antenna.(city = Medan).
     Developing country are always try to limit the information
  their people receive.Malaysia ban CB radio and dish.And 
   all the country in ASEAN have some form of cencorship of 
   foreign magazines . Malaysia and singapore ban them
   indonesia painted the pages with black ink. I remember
   how surprised i was reading my newsweek and reader's digest
   with black ink on some pages.
     
   Something funny too all the sensitive news in indonesia always
   comes with this word (((( INCIDENT (Dates) )))) And you figure
   out what it is. since none in newspaper.

     Last anecdote : a year ago one columnist have a uncontrolable d
   to find out who are the most popular figure in indonesia so
   he takes a poll and Nabi Muhamad comes up the third or so
   the Muslim are furious and Gov close the paper that columnist
   worked for and prison him . luckily Jesus comes up 13th
   i wonder what would happen if he come up first. ?????

  Muskie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chk8364@usl.edu (Khor Choon H)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:00:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.060951.29023@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian) writes:
>: 
>: 	It's (not?) fun to see our "Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah" Yang 
>: Berhormat caught doing what he prevents others from doing.  It will 
>: be worse still if they all act that our 5% minister who said 
>: "The prime minister did not ask me to resign blah blah blah" or 
>: something like that.  They are supposed to serve the country, not
>: the PM or themselves.
>
>Another potential dictator. Presumed guilty even before any trial.
>With so many dictators around, it is indeed surprising that we have
>a democracy at all.
>
>: 
      Potential dictator? I don't think it's too much to ask our government to serve all its people. Yes! They are supposed to serve the country, not the PM northemselves.
      In fact, Othman, your statements sound more dictatorial than those of Durian's.

-Khor

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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:11:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.085931.14383@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf) writes:

> I do not think that Doc. Godfrey was disputing your statement. He was
> trying to make a comical response.
> However, if you feel the need for support, then I too have also seen
> similar things in several places in London, and occassionally in other
> cities in England and Wales. Haven't seen such things in Scotland, but
> maybe I just haven't been to the "right" toilets. Cannot comment on
> Ireland. Haven't been there.

In Scotland, due to widespread non-payment of poll tax, public spending
has been cut.  Hence, you don't see as much toilets up here then down
south.... 8-)

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From: engp2055@nusunix1.nus.sg (VINOD UDHARAM VASNANI)
Subject: Room Sharing for CDC'92
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:41:52 GMT



Room Sharing for CDC'92
=======================

Looking for a male roomate to share a double room  for the IEEE Conference on
Decision and Control 1992 (CDC '92) to be help at, Tucson Arizona in
December. 
Anyone interested please reply by email.

Vasnani Vinod U
engp2055@nusunix1.nus.sg
PhD candidate
Department of Electrical Engineering
National University of Singapore

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:14:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.013502.1130@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

> If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
> no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".

May I ask whether you believe it right for Muslims to be "ethnically cleansing"
Bosnia-Hercegovina at this present time.  Do you support the shipment of
guns to Muslim peoples in that civil war?

Rod
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ckc2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Cheun Kheong Chiew)
Subject: Testing
Summary: nil
Keywords: please ignore
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:34:56 GMT

Please ignore everybody
Yo, Tang c.n.!
it's me
c.k.
Melvyn reply to me!
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NTU E-Mail address
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:56:03 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Wai Kuan (wkuan@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
: 
: Try telneting to bruno.cs.colorado.edu or archie.au(they are both the same).
: At the login prompt type 'netfind', a menu will appear on the screen where
: you can choose what you want to do.  In this case, most probably you would
: choose search and then type in your friend's last name and university(singapore
: university), it will give you a list of address, choose the one which has NTU
: and it will look up whether your friend have an account there or not.
: Hope this will help you.
: 

NTUVAX does not have a name server lookup service. You will probably not
be able to find anything if you use netfind.

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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:58:02 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct15.074754.17177@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> 
> You can be a malay culturally, but do not enjoy the "special privileges"
> of the constitution, because you are not a muslim. In fact it is obvious to
> many malays when they have so many pure chinese and indians among them. Of
> course the non-malays do not know that. It is our secret.
> 
	What  in the name of god are you blabbing abt.?  Just beam me up
	scotty!  pardon me for living.

	Maybe  because I'm receiving US education here but just what do you
	mean by your r statements above and who is 'our'?  I doubt it very
	much that all malays share the same ideas, values, and viewpoints 
	of yours.

	With all  due respect, I think you can pretty much keep certain
	racist-narrow-minded-egoistic ideas  of yours just to yourself.  I dont
	think the majority of malays in this net in particular need you
	to articulate whatever we might think and of course our secrets.

`	You are, sir, in my opinion, ambarassing your own race that you
	love so much.  An 'educated' person like yourself should have 
	known better.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: racial harmony, not a dream...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:59:41 GMT

Hi there netters,

It is me again but this time I'm determined not to start a net war...
unlike that posting that I put up about Malays denouncing their religion.
Actually, believe it or not, contrary to what a lot of people in this net
here thinks (especially due to ONE individual out there in Singapore...) 
that the racial tension in Malaysia is still very high, it is actually 
getting better!!!!!

I was back in Malaysia last summer and did manage to catch the Thomas 
cup match (and boy what a match that was).  You must be wondering what
Thomas cup has to do with racial harmony, well the story is.....
During the one brief moment when Malaysia obtained the Cup, I could say
that there was no racial tension at all!!!  It certainly was a proud 
moment be it you are a Malay, Chinese or Indian.  Everyone lost their 
identity as a race but instead all thought that they are part of one 
entity, MALAYSIANS!  It was really a grand moment, with people in 
Stadium Negara hugging their neighbours, regardless of race, hugging
strangers, congratulating each other etc...  That one brief moment,
everyone was one race, MALAYSIANS.  I'm not really good at describing
a situation, but I think you get the idea...  The real situation
is a hundred times better than how I can describe here...

You Malay or Bumi readers might be surprised at how loyal the young 
Chinese generation is to Malaysia!  During the match against China in
the Semis, groups of Chinese were waving banners written in Chinese
saying "The China Great Wall will Crack...The cup is OURS, Malaysians'."'."
So there....In fact I must say myself, I was cheering myself corse (Sp?)))
for the Malaysian team.  My whole family was...

So, there you have it, who says that racial harmony in Malaysia is a 
dream????


siong

:)   Have a nice day...



s
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Ranking of UK Universities
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:23:40 GMT

What about UMIST, UWIST, Leeds, New Castle etc ? They are quite
good in Engineering.

Kelvin
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: HELP!!!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:56:07 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada



Hi there netters!

This time, I'm writing on behalf of the Simon Fraser University's Malaysia
Singapore Club.   Are there anyone out there who are from Malaysia/Singapore
who has the address of the "EDUCATION CANADA, MALAYSIA" in Kuala Lumpur.  
Normally, the address is always published in the "Star" paper.  I can only
recall that the address is something like the below :

9 Jalan Mayang, 
(off Jalan Yap Kwan Seng) (not sure)
KL, Malaysia.

The problem is that I or rather we don't know the postal code.  :(

Please if any of you guys or gals know, please write to me.
Email add :  siong@sfu.ca

We really need your help.  Many thanks in advance.

You'll have a nice day!  :)

siong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mmaiseh@cs.arizona.edu (M Maiseh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Room Sharing for CDC'92
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.074152.29661@nuscc.nus.sg>, engp2055@nusunix1.nus.sg (VINOD UDHARAM VASNANI) writes:
> 
> 
> Room Sharing for CDC'92
> =======================
> 
> Looking for a male roomate to share a double room  for the IEEE Conference on
> Decision and Control 1992 (CDC '92) to be help at, Tucson Arizona in
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> December. 

Hi...you will  come to my town....!!!!!!! :))))

-mazri






Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chuangss@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Shyne Song Chuang)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:33:03 GMT

In article <BvtKpx.EAA@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.123212.17264@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
>>
>>No, there are no cameras in toilets nor do the Police patrol toilets in
>>search of people who do not flush. 'Officers' from one of the
>
>When I was at Changi earlier this year, I went to the men's room and 
>found a man, in an official-looking uniform, seated in a chair facing 
>the stalls.  He appeared to be monitoring the activities in the room.  
>Can anyone tell me what was going on?

I don't think the chap was there to monitor the use of toilets. Besides,
why would they want to fine tourists!!??! My guess is that he's a uniformed
cleaner.

The reports in the past must have been to reinforce the rule.

__
Kevin
From: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Email in Bristol University, UK
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:25:14 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <Bvxp7z.LLn@mtholyoke.edu> gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.173250.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <BvqBG3.6FD@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone knows how I can find
>>> out the email address of a friend at Bristol.
>>> I tried fingering "bris.ac.uk" and "bristol.ac.uk"
>>> These machines are not being recognised... (didnt' 
>>> even get a "connection refused" or something like 
>>> that)
>>
>>According to my Site Look-Up, Bristol University has the email
>>
>>             bris.ac.uk
>
>
>
>
>Well, yes, I do know about that.  Got that from gopher.  I guess 
>the reason why I couldn't finger it was cuz it's not really on
>the internet.
>
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