From: 70750.2052@Compuserve.Com ("Ronnie Jr.")
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Foard and FWA Rail Me About Posting As Ronnie Jr.
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:04:49 GMT

He's getting a little better at debating.. entropy@yaya (Lawrence C Foard) sez:

>>Oh, gosh... The little sissy Dutch wanted to remain neutral. 
>
>And the same thing will happen to queers if they follow your advice of going
>back into the closet.
>
I was hoping you wouldn't catch the parallel there.  It is true that if you
queers stopped standing up for what you believe is right, you would not
get ANY respect from me.  But, unfortunately, it's kind of difficult to
respect a man who sucks another man's dick, REGARDLESS of what he does.

>And the fact that you hide behind aliases shows that your ashamed of who
>you are.
>
See my main point below the asterisks.

>Don't whine about accounts being taken away, both myself and Tim
>Pierce have lost accounts because of this attack, it has not silenced us.
>
Who is whining?!?  It's my ONLY recourse to getting the shaft from three
different systems.  I tell the story of their shit on the net so that the
NEXT person who is stupid enough to sign up for an account on their
system KNOWS what they are in store for.  BTW - do *I* appear to have
been silenced?

>First of all I mail bombed no one, second of all no one has provided any
>evidence that there was infact a prior sendsys attack against yourself,
>if it had happened it could be verified by numerous sysadmins on news.admin.
>
Idiot.  No one sendsys'ed me.  My deluge of mail was from an orchestrated
"queer" movement to complain to my sysadmins about the contents of my
postings.  And trust me, I was getting more than 25 pieces of mail PER DAY
complaining about my posting... about 50% of which were also sent to
root and postmaster@digex.com.

>Even if I had mail bombed you it doesn't give you the right to crash
>machines used by several people. sendsys is an attack on the machine and
>the network. If someone did attack your site then file a complaint with the
>proper authorities..
>
No one attacked me.  *I* did not sendsys anyone.  I realize that sendsys
is not good for the net as a whole, although it is not NEARLY as harmful
to the "net" as you queers are making it out to be.  The net has LOTS of
bandwidth to spare and one or two sendsyses aren't going to bring the
entire U.S. Internet to its knees.

>The only time you have a right to respond to an attack with another attack
>is when it is your only option. It certainly was not the only option
>available in this case.
>
Hindsight is 20/20.  In the heat of battle, rash decisions are made.  I
dare say that you queers will think twice before sendsys'ing Dark Knight
again since you know you will get it back in spades if you do.  In THAT
light, his response was much more effective than a complaint that MAY
have resulted in a minor slap on the wrist for you.

>Hackers do it for fun.
>"Profesionals" do it for money.
>Managers have others do it for them.
Bisexuals do it with anything that moves.

****************
Now, onto your accusation that I am ashamed or too chicken-shit to post
my real name.  Not only YOUR quote above, but this one from dauber@sgi.com
(Jeff Dauber):

>I can easily state why Tim, myself, Lawrence Ford, DJK, and even Jack Royce
>are far superios to idiots like you and the dick knight.
>
>We all are willing to sign our real names to our posts.  You and the cowardly
>knight hide behind pseudonyms.
>
First of all, if Dark Knight posted a real mail address, he would be
sendsysed 10 times within a day.  If you deny this, you are full of shit.

As to me posting using my real name, I think your homo pals are on a
head-hunt for me as is.  They are already working on getting me kicked
off of ALL net access.  They also seem QUITE eager to pursue either
legal or illegal harassment OFF the net, if they could find out my real
name.  Evidence, you say?  Not to mention the original threat by Nelson
Minar to have me investigated by the police, this was posted just
yesterday by Nathan Mehl:

 "Subject: Ronnie Jr has a new account, are we ready for some fun?

  Also, has anybody out there tried to reference the alleged St. Louis
  Post-Dispatch article that ronniejr claimed to have been quoted in?  I'd
  be *quite* interested in finding his actual name.  Ditto if that info is
  available through CompuServe.  If nothing else, it'd be that much more
  grist for the St. Louis ADL's files..."
			- <920407#119#163332:nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu>

Even read literally, it is a threat to take action against me outside
of net channels should my real name ever be revealed.  If you take into
account the implications of "if nothing else", who knows what this sicko
has in mind.

If I threatened you with a band of Nazis coming over and tormenting you
should you reveal your real address, I bet you wouldn't do it.
Similarly, I will not reveal my real name.  The potential for unwanted
harassment far outweighs any gain in credibility I would receive.

>Simple, huh asshole.
>
I just explained it.  You tell me...  By the way, if I'm an asshole, I
guess you want to fuck me, eh Jeff?


Ronnie Jr.
"Letting gays adopt is like letting a rapist do a gynecological exam."