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From: faith@cs.unc.edu (Rik Faith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: GNU make-3.63 cola announcement
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:48:14 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.cs.unc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.034027.29246@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, jepstei@afterlife.ncsc.mil (John Epstein) writes:
|> 
|> I would like to correct mis-information in the cola announcement
|> about GNU make-3.63.
|> 
|> According to Gnu.announcement for GNU make-3.63,
|> .EXPORT_ALL_VARIABLES:
|> will give you the old behavior [of make-3.62].

Correct.  That is what the manual says.

However, because of a bug in 3.63 and a change in how variables are
expanded before being placed in the environment, the manual is *WRONG*.

I have a new patch from FSF to correct this problem, and I will be building
new binaries and placing the new patch in the *.Notes file soon.

|> 
|> I haven't tried this yet myself as downloaded manual first.
|> 
|> John

Sometimes posting information based on documentation alone is not very
helpful.

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From: corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: sockets
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:19:25 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Does anyone know if Linux supports AF_UNIX sockets and AR_INET sockets?

Corey

(Please respond via e-mail)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: THEM OR US <T337@music.mus.polymtl.ca>
Subject: Trident 8900
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:38:58 GMT

I was told that X11 would not work with a Trident 8900 card and that
you needed the Trident 8900C. Is this true? If not, how can I make X11
work with my 8900 (I keep getting ** None of the configured devices was
detected **)



Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rosenfel@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Roland Rosenfeld)
Subject: Keyboard Prob. with 486 and Linux 0.98pl6,0.99	
Keywords: 486,Keyboard
Reply-To: rosenfel@iridium.informatik.uni-bonn.de
Organization: University of Bonn	
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:10:12 GMT

Hi,

I bought a new 486-Motherboard and now I can not use my keyboard.
That means, that the keyboard is "locked" an no key is acceptet.
I can not press ctrl-alt-del, too. So I steped back form 0.99 to
0.98 and found out, that Linux works upto 0.98pl5. 
0.98pl6 does not accept any key, too. 
In the old announcement from Linus I found out, that he brought
a new keyboard-driver in 0.98pl6.

Is there anybody, who has/had the same problem and can help me
or have I to stay at 0.98pl5?

Please answer!

Thanks

	Roland

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: darin@infograph.com (Darin Wayrynen)
Subject: Re: Bernoulli/SyQuest
Organization: Informative Graphics
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:34:37 GMT

In article <727748701.AA34908@remote.halcyon.com> Chris.Bugosh@f340.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Bugosh) writes:
>Can I have some horror/success stories on setting up Linux on either of
>these two boxes?  I'd also know what controller you're using...  I hear
>that the controller that comes with the Bernoulli from Hard Drives
>International doesn't work.  Is the adapter that comes with the SyQuest
>compatible?  Thanks for any/all info.
>

I have Linux *using* a SyQuest Puma drive.  I have the drive connected to an
Adaptec 1542B adapter, and it works fine.  I am using a 350 meg Maxtor SCSI
hard disk, so I really am not using the SyQuest constantly...  It does work
though...




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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sanj@athena.mit.edu (Sanjay S Vakil)
Subject: intermittent X problem
Keywords: X, file corruption
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:40:51 GMT

I managed to get X running fine on my computer, both in colour and in the largest
resolution.

However, I think something became corrupted;  when I type "startx", the screen
changes into the correct resolution and mode, but does not run any of the files
that it should.  Rather than changing to a blue screen and having the user place
the original bash and clock on the screen, the scene background is the original
X crosshatch in black and white.

I checked the .xinitrc, and it is fine and my Xconfig hasn't changed (I don't
think that would be the problem).

is there anything else I can check?

thanks,
sanj
From: Ulf.Bartelt@p2.f3420.n241.z2.fidonet.org (Ulf Bartelt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Problem printing TeX output with Ghostscript on DJ500
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:19:26 -0800

Hi Thomas!

Tuesday January 19 1993 09:35, Thomas Koenig an All:

 TK> At the moment, I use a somewhat laborious route to print my TeX
output:
 TK> I run my dvi files through dvips, the resulting postscript files
through
 TK> Ghostscript with DeskJet 500 output to a file, then finally I cat
that
 TK> file to /dev/lp1.  (No, I have not installed a printer daemon
yet).

You didn't write your parameters to dvips, gs and cat.
I discovered, that the device djet500 in gs is broken, but if you use
the device deskjet, printing will be ok.

I think also you should install a printer daemon, so you can call gs
as a filter from the daemon. On some Linux-Systems we have a printcap
wich can distinguish between PS-Files and Text-Files, so you can print
via lpr <file> both.

Bye,
     Ulf

 * Origin: DMTRGX675A out of origins error (2:241/3420.2)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Charles Stephens)
Subject: Re: X and microsoft bus mouse?
Organization: COW Pastures
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:51:08 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ee3jmb@festival.ed.ac.uk (J Brickwood) writes:
: I am having trouble getting X386 to work with my
: MS bus mouse.  I have /dev/mouse symbolically linked
: to /dev/bmousems and the kernel seems to detect
: and install the driver at boot time....However, when
: firing up X I am unable to move anything/press buttons.
: i.e. X starts OK but I have no mouse !
: Xconfig contains the mouse control line,
: 
: busmouse "/dev/mouse"

	I found the same problem with my MouseMan serial.  Just hardlink
the two files, or use /dev/bmousems in Xconfig.

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From: georg@alpha.saar.de (Georg Edelmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: TextSearch under Linux
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:42:3 GMT

Hello Linux-World,

I'm quite sure that anyone had this problem too :

what's the shell command(s) for searching text in files recursively
in all subdirectories from a given point in FS tree ?

Thanks for help.

Georg


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ramzi@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Ramzi Al-Majid)
Subject: minicom in SLS 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:14:38 GMT


we have just installed SLS and it works fine. but minicom does
not. when we dial into a remote host, the screen does not
scroll and prints all line on the bottom of the screen. when i
toggle the ^A A (add line feed) it does scroll but it gives a
blank line after every line. 

is there another setting that i am not aware of ?.

help is appreciated.

Ramzi

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From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: SLS Installation
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:58:23 PST


I am a bit confused about the SLS (linux) installation.  I am  getting a
laptop, already formatted  for DOS, and I want  to make linux  my second
partition.  I would have thought I should:

	[1] backup the DOS volume
	[2] repartition the hard disk using DOS's fdisk utility for
		2 volumes. I can then handle partition 1 with standard
		DOS tools. 
	[3] build a Linus file-system, probably booting from SLS disk
		a1 and a2, and using mkfs.

Instead, SLS   asks me  to use  its  own fdisk   utility. I am concerned
whether this is identical to using the DOS fdisk utility. Is it?

/ivo

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: SCSI Autodetect? Static table? (Was:
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:10:51 GMT

In article <1029319.54676.2177@kcbbs.gen.nz> Craig_Anderson@kcbbs.gen.nz (Craig Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan16.084315.7385@colorado.edu> drew@juliet.cs.colorado.edu (D
>>Unfortunately, Linux uses a 16 bit dev_t, with only 8 bits reserved  
>>for the minor number, which only lets us have 256 minor numbers.  
> 
>16 bits is enough.  It's bad software engineering to encode attributes 
>into the minor number (other than some abstract concept of disk 1, 
>disk 2, disk 3). 
> 
>For a better (tho still quick and dirty) method, how about having a 
>table in the kernel (mapping the scsi id, lun, partition, and N bytes 
>of device specific stuff to a major/minor number - obviously the generic 
>implementation is M+N bytes of device specific stuff with M bytes defined 
>for the scsi driver).  Then a simple program could be used to patch 
>this table (on disk and/or in mem) in the kernel.  No kernel rebuilds 
>required, allows an arbitrary amount of information to be associated with 
>each device, is simple to implement and no less efficient at runtime. 

	Well, such a table effectively already exists, but it is built up
automatically at boot time, so it never exists on disk.  I am opposed to the
idea of modifying the table in memory because you could easily corrupt a disk
if you started switching around disk ID numbers on the fly.

	I am sympathetic to those who are concerned about device renumbering if
they take a disk out of the system.  How about if we (they) add some symlink
like /dev/scdisk-a0 /dev/scdisk-b1, etc, and have these point at the correct
disks and/or partitions.  If you remove a disk from the system, you can simply
modify the symlinks to point to the new names for the partitions.  Heck, these
could even be automatically generated at boot time in rc.local, so that you do
not have to worry about changing these whenever you add/remove a disk.

	I could add an ioctl that would return the ID and lun for a given scsi
device in order to make it easier to automate the procedure.  How do people
feel about this approach?

-Eric

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho)
Subject: Re: Problems while booting with new Kernel
Organization: NullNet r.y.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:49:02 GMT

georg@alpha.saar.de (Georg Edelmann) writes:
>the beginning of this week I got my first Linux version (0.98p5).
By the way.. WHO STILL distributes this version? Not very nice trick
to all newcomers to give them an old version that is hard to update.

..Wolf
From: nn00723@faui11.sni.de (EXTERNAL)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: xdm & shadow - help!?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:35:44 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui11.ap.pdb.sni.de
Summary: xdm won't use shadow
Keywords: xdm, shadow, SLS

Hi gang.

Now that I have xdm running the next problem is already here: I am running
the latest SLS release. The login window shows up and I can login as anybody in /etc/passwd without a password; this means that xdm looks into /etc/passwd
but not into /etc/shadow. Too bad.

Can anybody help?

Frank. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Why not splitting this group?
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:27:00 GMT

In article <1k67fiEINN939@uni-erlangen.de> unrzf0@cip.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Carl Scheuermann) writes:
>Hi,
>
[Yet Another Call for Splittin Comp.os.linux]
>
>Bye the way,
>can someone tell me the difference of all the different S3 chip versions?
>All the different chips I know of is 911, 928 and 801. Are there more of them?
>(why does the latter one don't have such a cute Porsche modell number?)
>
Perhaps traffic would be lower if people would not post questions that 
would be better posted to Comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.

Or Comp.windows.x.i386unix, or Comp.unix.questions...

Or in the case of more suggestions to split this group, until the 6 months
since the last vote are over (and there are at least another 3-4, I believe)
to Alt.flame.


Do you get my drift?

thanks,
jem.
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From: kk@cs.tu-berlin.de (Kolja Kaehler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: GCC - matherr(), what about it ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:10:52 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: linus.cs.tu-berlin.de
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

When compiling pov-ray, gcc failed for the symbols DOMAIN, SING, UNDERFLOW and
OVERFLOW which were used in a function called 'matherr()'.
(I wasn't able to find a prototype for this in math.h or any other place ...) 
I don't *know* what this is meant to do, but I suppose one can use matherr()
to trap math exceptions ? I removed the whole thing from the povray source,
(still works - so far) but ... does gcc really not support it ? (using 2.3.3)

	Kolja

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From: photi_w@aelle.cs.odu.edu (W. Photinos III)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: VGA Wonder XL24 settings
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:37:45 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va


Could someone please mail me their Xconfig file for use with an 
ATI VGAwonder XL24.  I can't seem to get the screens right and
also seem to have trouble with the mouse.  Thanks

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From: thieloph@crypt5.cs.uni-sb.de (Christoph Thiel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Two different harddisks?
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:13:31 GMT
Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes, Saarbruecken
NNTP-Posting-Host: crypt5.cs.uni-sb.de


Hi,

I am not sure, but I don`t think that my question is a FAQ. Excuse me if i 
am wrong:

I am a happy owner of a 386DX 25Mhz with 80MB MFM-Harddisk. Is there any
possibility to install a second harddisk (IDE, SCSI with a second 
controller?) and to use it with Linux. 

Thanks for your help

Christoph
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rob@dinner.asrc.albany.edu (Robert D. Seals)
Subject: kernel panic installing sls on mfm with efs
Organization: SUNYA - ASRC, Albany, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:26:13 GMT


Hello,
I seem to repeatably be able to create a kernel panic

Kernel panic: new block: count is != 1

when installing SLS (specifically in dosemu) on an
efs filesystem on an mfm drive. This doesn't seem to
happen with a regular file system.

rob
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From: mao@triplerock.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: how do i choose a boot partition at boot time?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: triplerock.cs.berkeley.edu

hi folks,

i've installed linux 0.99pl3 on /dev/hda2 and ms-dos 5.0 on /dev/hda1 of
my portable computer's hard drive.  i've installed lilo, and i can get
it to boot either ms-dos or linux (by changing the order of the relevant
lines in the config file), but i can't get it to prompt me for my choice.

i want to know how i can choose which os to boot at boot time.  the
lilo docs i got from sunsite.unc.edu say that i can use a partition
switcher called 'bootactv', which is available in pfdisk.  pfdisk
isn't on sunsite anymore, and archie doesn't know anything about it.

the docs also mention a program called pfboot.  there are at least two
different programs called 'pboot' going around; the one distributed by
the 386BSD folks is different from the one on tsx-11, and the 386BSD
one knows nothing about linux.  the pfboot on tsx-11 has no documentation
and volunteers to do things i don't understand to my hard disk, so i
don't trust it.

what do the rest of you use for partition switching?

					mike olson
					uc berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: darin@infograph.com (Darin Wayrynen)
Subject: Swap partition != available swap space
Keywords: swap 
Organization: Informative Graphics
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:43:38 GMT

I have partitioned my SCSI hard disk to leave 32 megabytes left over
for swap space.  When I use the swap partition Linux will only install
16 megabytes of it.

Is this related to the 'only use 16 megs of physical ram' question
that comes up during kernel configuration?  Or ????


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From: Jon.Nials@f110.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Jon Nials)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Installing Linux & DOS Hard drive Partition
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 21:51:36 -0800

Recently, while trying to install Linux SLS .98PL5, we trashed the hard
disk.  Each time we installed linux (as /dev/hda2) the hard drive would
not successfully come back up under dos.  Once we would get DOS up then
the Linux partition was hosed.  The DOS partition was of 100 M on a 230M
IDE drive, and we made a 60M Linux partition.  Running DR-DOS 6.0 as the
OS, on an 386-40 with 4M of ram.

Has anyone got a solution for us?

-Jon 
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From: kyr@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (Brett Albertson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Boot Question
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:36:20 -0500
Organization: Penn State, Null Device Department


You can pre-set the video mode by editting the Makefile then recompiling your
kernel.  The lin ein the Makefile is something to the effect of:

DSVGA_MODES=

right after the equals sign, put the number of the mode you want to use..
<the numbers being the ones you get to pick from when you boot now  :)  >

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk (Alan Charlton)
Subject: DVI previewing sans X
Organization: home
Apparently-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:18:20 +0000

Is there a DVI previewer available for use with vgalib which will
enable me to preview DVI files without having to use X?  I'm sure
other people would be interested in this.....

I presume that I won't be able to use the DOS version of dvivga
because it uses the VGA BIOS.....is this correct?

Replies by mail, please - there's already enough meaningless babble in
this group.  If I find a solution I'll post it up.

TIA,

Alan
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From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux FAQ Files
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:15:57 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Could you mail them to me if you've got them. My FTP access is non-existant

Thanks

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From: hein@rz.tu-clausthal.de (Jochen Hein)
Subject: Re: SLS not booting??
Organization: TU Clausthal, Germany
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:05:36 GMT

In article <dpn2.229.727837493@po.CWRU.Edu> dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:
>>       Here's the problem:
>>       When I boot the system from the floppy, I get the screen as follows:

>[Stuff]

>>       Then when I press the space bar, my computer cold boots, and
>>repeats the previous scenario, until I remove the root disk, and boot to DOS.

>Are you using rawrite2? I have had this problem when using it; rawrite (1) 
>worked just fine for me, however.

1. I remember that Rawrite2 contained bugs, so it wouldn't run on 
   certain maschines. I use rawrite3 wich has a nice interface.

2. The Codes on the screen when booting look like a broken floppy,
   yust try to use another one. (Linux don't like broken floppies at
   boot-up)

cu
    Jochen

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      or  HEIN@VAX.IN.TU-CLAUSTHAL.DE

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: donadio@wilbur.psu.edu (Beaker)
Subject: [TCP/KERNEL] What does this syslog mean?
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:05:39 GMT

A strange this happened today.  I was doing some remote X stuff (I had a 
lot of windows open), and all of the sudden my hard-drive started churning.
I tried do fire up another shell and a remote login to my machine, but
couldn't because of the heavy disk activity.  Syslog recorded this:

Jan 24 15:28:35 mxd120 vmunix: tcp_readable, more than 20 packets without a psh
Jan 24 15:28:36 mxd120 vmunix: possible read_queue corruption.
Jan 24 15:28:36 mxd120 vmunix: tcp_readable, more than 20 packets without a psh
Jan 24 15:28:36 mxd120 vmunix: possible read_queue corruption.
Jan 24 15:28:36 mxd120 vmunix: tcp_readable, more than 20 packets without a psh
Jan 24 15:28:36 mxd120 vmunix: possible read_queue corruption.

This same log was recorded continuously from 15:28:35 until 15:36:03.  I 
assume that all of this logging was the source of the drive activity but 
am not sure what actually caused it?  Any ideas?

System specifics:
  Linux 0.99pl4
  XFree86 1.1
  Western Digital Ethernet Card (8003 chipset) 

The remote X stuff was done on a SparcII running SunOS 4.1.1.

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