HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.081254.7551@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
> In article <1616@tnc.UUCP> m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS) writes:
> >
> >And on a totally unrelated note, I just caught Batman: The Animated
> >series tonight.  I was impressed!  This is the best American animation
> >series I have seen in quite some time.  It doesn't pander to the
> >kiddies!  This one looks like a real hit.
> 
> It wouldn't take much to be the best american animated series.  I felt the
> animation was still very subpar, with movement animation no better than an
> average say TMNT episode, only with darker scenery.

Interesting to note that the animation in THE CAT AND THE CLAW (done by
Sunrise, the Japanese company) was WORSE than the animation for ON LEATHER
WINGS and HEART OF ICE (both by Spectrum, whoever they are).

> Story was typical early american comic book
> storytelling , with better drama , and in nsome cases melodrama, than nearly
> anything of recent years, but IMHO, there is still ALOT more room for 
> improvement.

Just keep in mind one thing: this isn't Japan.  Anime series are weekly
affairs, but this show is a WEEKDAYS thing (5 episodes instead of 1).
You compared the animation quality show against a Gundam OVA, that isn't 
fair.  Try comparing it against anime TV shows.  As far as the writing goes,
this is not going to be MAISSON IKKOKU, not by a long shot.  But it is
much better than anything else out there(*).  It's a start, which if
successful will lead to bigger and better things.  Who knows, maybe
well-written animation can make it in America yet.

And besides, the retro-40's-SF look of the show is great!! :-)

(*)  I can't wait to see the upcoming stories by the regular writers of the
BATMAN comics.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: BGC: question about Sylvia's hard suit
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:28:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Actually, it's a metal blade in Sylia hardsuit.  The glow is just for
effect.
-- 
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Albert Wong                                                               |
+-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Internet       : albertw@netcom.com | Compu$erve : 72657,2103		    |
| America Online : Al Wong            | Prodigy    : WJTM10B		    |
| Genie          : A.Wong7            | Fidonet    : Albert Wong @ 1:125/2  |
+-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
|     "Rush, Riot, Rage,...Rabbit?  No! We are BUNNY!" - VA Bunny's         |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Best opening animations
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 11:20:00 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

krk@angeles.janet.ucla.edu (Kenneth Kindsfater) writes:

- After watching Macross II, I got to thinking how much I like
- the opening animation (a pity that the rest of the animation
- and plot don't match in my opinion... but that is another post)
- Anyways started thinking about opening animations for others...
- 
- So my favorite 3 are:
 
Personally, I would put the Macross II opening animation near the bottom 
of my list.  I thought even the opening animation was pretty bad, 
animationally speaking and from a director's point of view...but that's 
MY opinion...
 
Top Opening for me have to be (in no order):
 
Fushigi no Umi no Nadia
Z Gundam (second opening)
Gundam ZZ (second opening)
City Hunter 2 (all openings)
Gatchaman (all openings)
Gundam 0083 (Men of Destiny - second)
BGCrash (I'm a computer animation freak...)
Patlabor TV

Ben Koshy/Lone Wolf              lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
President of B.A.K.A.            Banzai Anime Klub of Alberta
 __________|________________________________________________
|_|_|_|_|_|||______________________________________________/
 ~   ~   -'|   "Sono toori yo.  Jamashimanaide!" - Noriko
From: radman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ataru + Kyosuke = Rich 'The Rad Man' Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Best opening animations
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:00:14 GMT
Organization: Studio APK


	I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the computer animation from
Patlabor ( the sequence w/ all the armor flying onto the Ingram ).
Personally, I'm a sucker for Ingrams and Helldivers, which is probably
why I like that part :)

  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  = Rich Anderson               =          The <Send Rich to          =
  = radman@sage.cc.purdue.edu   =        Anime Expo '93> fund:        =
  = bz079@cleveland.Freenet.Edu = 3421 S. Tibbs ave. / Indy, IN 46241 =
  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Various comments on anime (SAILOR MOON, NG LAMUNE & 40)
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:55:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


This last weekend I had pretty much clear, I wanted to get out of the house,
and I had a BATMAN: TAS tape to give to Dave Fleming down at Urbana.  A
crazy idea came up:  ROAD TRIP!!

So here I was, 2:30 PM, in an auditorium at U of I, watching PROJECT A-KO
on two giant projection screens, and the windshield of my car had a plethora
of samples from Central Illinois' insect wildlife (3 hr. trip from Naperville
to UC, dont'cha know).  Got to meet Dave (again), THE Ken Primer (who had
some interesting photos from AnimExpo), and John Yoon.  Thanks to all for
making me feel so welcome.

Anyway, after the meeting I cajoled John into showing me an episode each
of SAILOR MOON and NG LAMUNE & 40.  My comments:

- SAILOR MOON:  Frankly, I can't see why people like this show, unless
  they're MST3King it to heck and back.  Formula writing, so-so animation
  (except for the canned sequences).

- NG LAMUNE & 40:  The one I saw was an OVA retelling the events thus far
  in the series.  Some hilarious stuff, this show merits further study.
  But I disagree with Michael Studte:  this is funny, but Tex Avery it
  isn't, not by a looong shot.

Ok, Ken, tell me again what SPACE FAMILY CARL VINSON is about...  ;-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Macross II (was Re: Sentinels)
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:51:45 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <Sep.13.17.43.00.1992.5925@remus.rutgers.edu> fjohnson@remus.rutgers.edu (Floyd Johnson) writes:
>The sequel to "Macross" (came to the states in '84) picks up on
>Earth, 80 years after the destruction of the Super Dimensional

If you're talking Macross II, I believe it takes place 400-500 years
after the original.  It's just that it's been 80 years since the last
Zentraedi or Maltrendi attack.

>Fortress. (Amazing how well they reconstructed the ship-it's a
>landmark in "Macross II", yet apparently functional.) It could be
>construed as the what the Agramas should have been seeking, rather
>than "Southern Cross" for a second Robotech saga.

First, was the concept in existence when ROBOTECH was in the makings?
And even so, do you think they would've waited?

Agitator
  #->

"A political deadend."                  Bruce Herschensohn for U.S. Senate!!!
    --Gore on the Vice Presidency when    Not the ten-year       //  The REAL
      asked about a Dukakis-Gore ticket   Congress insider      //   outsider
--------------- R E M E M B E R   B E I J I N G ------------\\ //------------
IBM PC - Who wants a politically correct computer?           \X/  Only AMIGA!
========================================== Bring Back the Caltech Cannon!! ==
Roderick Lee, HMC '91      "The Professional Agitator"      agitator@ucsd.edu
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Getting USMC titles
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:11:06 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia

I'm trying to locate some USMC releases, like Dominion on LD, and
similar. However, since Previews magazine (for whichever distribution
company) doesn't list them, they are impossible to get through our
local anime-fan-run comic shop (the magazine is the only one local
dealers can get stuff through).

Is there any other "major" distributor that fans can go to directly to
get variou USMC titles (other than USMC themselves, since I'm likely
still somewhat unpopular there)?

Any info appreciated. (Desperate for the Dominion LD.)

--

+-------------------+----------------------------------------------+
| Michael Studte    | Japanese Animation Fans of Western Australia |
| 46 Hackbridge Way | CAL-ANIMAGE ZETA, Perth, Australia   +-------+
| Bayswater  6053   | Internet: michaels@DIALix.oz.au      |
| AUSTRALIA         |           michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au |
+-------------------+ FidoNet:  3:690/728 (MegaTokyo 2033) |
|  Inokuma Yawara   |--------------------------------------+
|        for        | Indiana Kou: "CARROTS!! Why did it   |
|       GOLD!       |               have to be carrots??"  |
+-------------------+--------------------------------------+
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: About $$$
Keywords: producers movies salaries
Summary: what are they worth?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:38:31 GMT

I sort of have a pet project going, and I thought I'd just field this question
for those of you that know (I don't, that's for sure! :). How much do the
big-name artists and/or producers of anime films go for these days? I'm trying
to get a guesstimate of costs (and since I have no clue, I thought it would
be a good idea to ask!). Mail or post, either way.. Might make for an 
interesting discussion too, since I've never seen the topic brought up here
(with any detail).
At the risk of sounding stupid though, would it be insulting to offer someone
like Katsuhiro Otomo less then $2 million (~256M Y) or does that sound fair
for a full-length production (HIS cost, of course.. I should expect a two-hour
film to cost on the order of AT LEAST $30 Million, if you want to do it right).
On another note (hehehe) what about music? AKIRA is MY favorite film <:) and
I really love the music by Geinoh Yamashirogumi, but what would someone like
him cost?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this.. It's been nagging me for quite
some time now.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Subject: On Akira and "distribution costs"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:36:08 GMT



Just remember, that they don't have to distribute 2,000 prints of a film
when it comes out.  Printingthe  film prints alone of 2,000 copies of say
Batman Returns costs upwards of $4Mil.

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

A good quote I have heard about anime films is "they put every penny (or Yen8)
on the screen".

Dont remember who said it though.
From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: FTP at WPI.WPI.EDU
Date: 13 Sep 1992 02:55:35 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep11.180359.7863@ulowell.ulowell.edu> bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
>	few actually had GIF files, one of them being WPI.WPI.EDU

I've been trying to keep WPI balanced, gifs, scripts, and original stories.
I have most of the fan fiction that has appeared over the last 3 years on the
site, but I've had to sacrifice some gifs and scripts to make room. (I've got
a 6.5Meg quota, and I'm at 6.4Meg or so now.)

>	download- namely, all of the "lum." and "bgc." files.  I'm still
>	trying stuff to attempt to figure it out, but if anyone has any info,
>	I'd like to hear it.  Thanx.

I checked all the files in the ftp site just now, the permissions are all set
correctly, and the same for that matter. So I don't know what the problem 
could be. What exactly was the error? Did it say it couldn't get the files? Or
did it transfer them as junk? Apparently you could get some of the files but
not others, which is odd.

All I can say is to try again with Binary set on. If you still have a problem
please make a typescript of the attempt and mail it to me and I'll see if there
is anything I can do at my end.

###############################################################################
# I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity.  Use your mind, think! #
#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
###############################################################################

Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: richmond@astro.Princeton.EDU (Stupendous Man)
Subject: Can you identify this show?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:38:55 GMT


My girlfriend has been asking me about this for several years now :-),
so I figure I ought to do something about it.  About fifteen to twenty
years ago, when she was growing up in Venezuela, she used to watch
an animated TV show that was undoubtedly Japananese, but overdubbed
in Spanish.  It featured a human-looking alien who saved the world
from some terrible danger every week, but always managed to do it
secretly so no one gave him credit.  Everyone just hated him because
he was an (apparently useless :-) alien.  He had a mark on his head
just behind the ear, a sort of cross.  

If anyone can give me information about the show, I'd appreciate it!

                               Michael Richmond
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Sailor Moon episode 24
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:45:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep8.203355.2099@ntmtv> takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi) writes:
>-- Some more...
>   - Why does Sailor Mars have the difficult-to-fight-or-jump-in
>      high heels?

The same reason the BGC hardsuits do; it looks neat and the writers/animators
can ignore physics at will. :>
>
>   - Would *you* name your daughter "Bunny"?
>      [Closest translation I can come up with..."Usagi" = "rabbit"]

'Usagi' = Rabbit, as any anthromorphic fan could tell you.......

(I want to see Usagi Yojimbo animated one of these days, in Stan Sakai's 
original style.)

>(C'mon, you didn't *really* think that I wanted serious answers to those
> other questions now, did you?  :-))

Well, you got 'em anyway. :>

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: isc30176@nusunix3.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN)
Subject: Re: Marine Boy
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:25:21 GMT

*blink*  That was a very old cartoon... if it's the one with a
boomerang.  Anyway, I don't think it's was anime, coz I watched it in
English.  (Way back then, any anime I get to receive on the TV is dubbed
in Mandarin)

--
\                                 /
 \\              |              //      Chen JiaTyan
  \ \_        _-' `-_        _/ /       isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg
   \  `\_   /         \   _/'  /        chenjiat@nusdiscs.bitnet
     \   `\/  __   __  \/'   /          isc30176@nusvm.nus.sg
       \_/   /_>\_/<_\   \_/            isc30176@nusvm.bitnet
        / __ \_     _/ __ \             
       / ___   |.=.|   ___ \            147 Duchess Ave, Singapore 1026
       /______/ \_/ \______\ 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Anime vs. Disney (Oooh!  Ominous!)
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:48:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <2AAD2AFF.12497@ics.uci.edu> rang@ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang) writes:
>- Disney mangles known stories for their flicks.  That really wasn't the Hans
>Christian Andersons mermaid story they did and parts of "Beauty and the
>Beast" were too blantantly PC (politically correct) for my tastes.  This is
>like when they make a TV movie and say "Based on a true story." and it
>doesn't even resemble what I read in the papers.

This is true not only of Disney but of the American, European-based fairy
tale.  Disney is taking the same principle a bit farther.

>I don't think Anime vs. Disney is a fair comparison.  Disney does not (or
>should not) equate to American-style animation.  Just as anime is defined by
>many major Japanese animation studios, so is American stuff.  Don't forget
>the other American animators: Bluth (yea, I know, very Disney-esque),
>Amblimation (sp? the guys who do Tiny Toons), Hanna-Barbera (or for In Living
>Color fans, Hanna-Barbarians), Filmation, etc.  So, given this view of
>American animation, yes I prefer the Japanese stuff because there is a lot
>more good stuff, a wider range of style (both in art and story), and better
>artwork (in general).

That depends on your definition of "art".  Disney isn't aiming for the
kind of anthropomorphic realism of anime; they're aiming for cartooniness.
And in that they succeed very well.  Their backgrounds are infinitely more
lush than just about anything in anime, with our usual notable excpetions
(Miyazaki pops into mind.)

===========================================================================
Emru Townsend             | Lucy: Do you think anybody ever really changes?
Fido: 1:167/133           | Linus: I've changed a lot in the last year.
emru@cam.org  BIX: switch | Lucy: I meant for the better.
===========================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Another Otaku responds to Dave M.
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.111658.21645@cco.caltech.edu>, toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:
> 
[To Dave Medinnus:]
> I do wish you'd stop accusing Mike of being the only evil party in all this.
> I cannot believe that ANY ONE PERSON is responsible for it all. If anything,
> _my_ past dealings with Mike would lead me to suspect that he and James M.
> were set up by somebody else.

If you say so.  But I don't think Mike is entirely innocent, because:

> Mike spends a lot of his own money to make himself the #1 Otaku,
> and I for one think that the title is very well deserved.

As a rule, I don't implicitly trust people with large egos (myself included).
Right now, I'm holding EVERYONE involved responsible, either by inaction or
by conscious action.

P.S.  To Larry:  next time, THINK before you flame.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: coram@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Am I getting paranoid?/Anime Politics
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:03:56 GMT
Reply-To: coram@ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep8.185243.29789@ntmtv> takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi) writes:
>In article <2AA86616.10663@ics.uci.edu> rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken) writes:
>>
>>SO the question is: Do you ever feel "not worthy" to enjoy anime with the big
>>otakus because you're still trying to figure out what's going on and you
>>just ask questions? Or am I just paranoid? (I suspect the latter..I bet I'm
>>just plain annoying ...8-)
>>
>Well, I did when I first got into this...now, I can blabber with the
>best of them... :-)
>

One day I started blabberin too, and within a couple of months I had
people e-mailing me thinking that *I'M* an anime guru.  I figure if it
happened to me like that, then most of the gurus around here might not
be THAT much superior to little ol' me.  They just aren't afraid to post
their opinions.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Kevin C. Coram | INTERNET: coram@ecn.purdue.edu | CompuServe: 72567,2201 |
| "Don't tell me I'm nuts.  I know.  It keeps me sane."                    |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ebshen@athena.mit.edu (Eric B Shen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Best opening animations
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:11:47 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep8.170320.1618@wdl.loral.com> dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David Blume) writes:
>Here's a vote for the KOR second series opener.  (Abstract rock video style.)
>--David
I agree that the 2nd series opener is cool (except that one second drum
fill never clicked with me :p)...

but I feel that the first season opening was the best.  I mean, the song
wasn't the best, and the animation really nothing technically special,
but it's a real ATTENTION GRABBER.  Really.  It's exciting to watch and
makes you want to find out what the show is about.  At least, that's
what I was thinking the first time I ever saw it.

So whether or not you like KOR, I think the first season opener is tops.

No wait, the third ending is the best! just kidding... :p

Eric Shen
ebshen@athena.mit.edu
From: radman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ataru + Kyosuke = Rich 'The Rad Man' Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: MTV musicvid awards update :)
Keywords: smiley-captioned
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:49:14 GMT
Organization: Studio APK


	I was hoping that maybe something from HL 2032 might win an award,
but it is my sad duty to inform everyone that it didn't. Didn't even get
nominated.
	No mention of the Iczer-1/Enter Sandman video or any other anime
videos either. I don't think anime was even subliminally hinted at. I thought
that one of their techies might be an anime fan, and could kinda mix 
something in for us all to see, but it didn't happen.
	( Then again, most of you probably wouldn't dare watch the award
show anyway... )

	:)	:)	:)	:)	:)	:)	:)	:)

  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  = Rich Anderson               =          The <Send Rich to          =
  = radman@sage.cc.purdue.edu   =        Anime Expo '93> fund:        =
  = bz079@cleveland.Freenet.Edu = 3421 S. Tibbs ave. / Indy, IN 46241 =
  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  "If you're driving at the speed of light, and you turn your headlights
     on, and there's noone there to hear them, do they make a noise?"
	-said by one of my mom's co-workers
Xref: sparky rec.arts.anime:18886 rec.arts.manga:943
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.manga
Subject: Mail-order question
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:39:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.anime
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

A friend of mine (who doesn't have net access) is starting a mail order
business and is considering carrying anime/manga stuff (LD's, CD's, mangas,
etc). How does one go about finding a supplier for those things? 

Any help/ideas would be much appreciated. Personally, I wouldn't mind having
such a store in Boston.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    //// shimkevich@A1.tch.harvard.edu // 
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////