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From: paulg@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul A Gunderson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
Subject: Disney & the movie
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:57:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <suwandi.724960593@sfu.ca> suwandi@fraser.sfu.ca (Julian Suwandi) writes:
>
>It'll be cool if Disney is to do a LoTR movie.. With the musical elves, the
>special effects for the Balrog.. hmm.. Maybe if we are persistent enough, 
>Disney may do it! Then again, I might be dreaming.. :)

If I remember correctly, Disney *had* the rights to do _LotR_ while Tolkien
was still alive.  They bailed out.  JRRT was not unhappy about this.  While
he would have liked the $$$ the movie would have generated, and was willing
to bend a fair amount (like axing Bombadil) to get those $$$, in the end he
didn't much like the Disney "style" of doing things.

This was all discussed in _Letters_ somewhere...

>      Julian Suwandi        |  Quotes / Unquote of the week
>         643-0827           |      Insanity is hereditary... 
>      suwandi@sfu.ca        |      You get it from your kids.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.enya
From: aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis)
Subject: Any rumors of new music?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:45:30 GMT
Reply-To: Arlie Davis <aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Organization: University of Louisville

I didn't watch alt.fan.enya for a few months, and now there is nothing here at
all.  When did conversation die?  Is anyone still reading a.f.e?

And, the real reason for my post, are there any rumors of new music from her?

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.enya
From: lylec@microsoft.com (Lyle Corbin)
Subject: Translations document posted to alt.music.enya
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:12:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

I forgot to cross-post to this group, and since it's fairly long I didn't want
to re-post it.  The document contains translations for all three of Enya's
albums plus some singles.

If your site doesn't get alt.music.enya, send me email and I will mail you a
copy.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.spinal-tap,soc.culture.celtic
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Celtic Music from Spinal Tap's "Stonehenge"
Keywords: druids, dwarves, stonehenge, 11
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 08:49:47 GMT

My family rented "This is Spinal Tap" recently, and my brother thought
that the folk piece that Tap played during the "dancing druids" scene
(where an 18-inch stonehenge is in danger of being trampled by dwarves)
sounded familiar.  Does anyone recognize it as a traditional piece, or
one written by a known Celtic artist?


Paul Ciszek                      No nation was ever drunk when wine
                                 was cheap.
pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu                            --Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: alt.fan.spinal-tap,alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: craigdo@microsoft.com (Craig Dowell)
Subject: Re: Telephone sanitizers
Date: 03 Jan 93 00:44:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan02.041125.29961@src4src.linet.org> ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz) writes:
>Would someone please tell me what is going on?  In HHGTTG, Arthur and Ford
>come across frozen telephone sanitizers on the space ark, and Derek Smalls
>was in training (for a while) as a... telephone sanitizer!  Is there a
>connection I am missing somewhere?  And what is it about telephone
>sanitizers and the UK?  I'm stymied...

Can you think of a more worthless occupation than telephone sanitizer (other
than shoe salesman, of course)?  The B-ark was filled with all of the losers
and absolutely worthless parts of the society; esp. the telephone sanitizers
which are the most worthless.  Derek Smalls life outside Tap consists of
being an apprentice telephone sanitizer.  Major accomplishment, eh?

-- Craig

Xref: sparky alt.fan.spinal-tap:3 alt.fan.douglas-adams:4545
From: ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.spinal-tap,alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Telephone sanitizers
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:11:25 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

Would someone please tell me what is going on?  In HHGTTG, Arthur and Ford
come across frozen telephone sanitizers on the space ark, and Derek Smalls
was in training (for a while) as a... telephone sanitizer!  Is there a
connection I am missing somewhere?  And what is it about telephone
sanitizers and the UK?  I'm stymied...

Chuck
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From: lukoff@milton.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: violins & Shostakovitch.
Date: 25 Dec 92 22:06:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec25.071215.24699@u.washington.edu> lukoff@hardy.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff) writes:
>In article <1hb5p3INNoup@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> called@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Callan Ledsham) writes:
>>Dear Sh. fans
>>
>>You might think of listening to Shokker's violin concertos.  He wrote
>>two, and they are hauntingly beautiful and powerful.
>>
>>Could someone in the us track down Dmitri Sh. Jr. and give him an
>>account on a computer ?
>>
>>
>>P.S Anyone konw the email addrerss of anyone in seton hall university,
>>south orange, NJ, USA ?  Can't finger it but want to.
>>
>>Help on the above, and happy listening.
>>
>>.
>
>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: rchrd@netcom.com (Richard Friedman)
Subject: Re: Looking for a biography of DSH
Organization: Applied Parallel Rsrch (Berkeley)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:23:24 GMT

The New Shostakovich is certainly the best book on DSCH to date!  
Both from the point of view of biography and musical analysis.
Northeastern Univ. Press, Boston, 1990. I dont think a softcover
has been published yet.  ($30!)
Ian MacDonald is described only as "a music journalist who also
writes and records hos own music."
The research is extensive and impressive.  And, you don't have to
read Testimony first.  All this is covered in the introductory "Prelude".
I highly recommmend it as must reading for anyone in this alt. group.
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From: raeram@kittyhawk (Richard A. Muirden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Suggested conductor/symphony?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 05:24:46 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au

RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:

>I have bought two symphonies.  One I like is a
>1982 Berliner Philharmoniker recording of
>the Tenth conducted by Herbert Von Karajan.

This was one I liked also, before I heard better, far
better recordings :) Neeme Jarvi/SNO on Chandos for me
has the best 10th, the power is just wonderful in it and
the sound is superb... (plug, plug plug :) )

>I like it, but another friend of mine says it
>doesn't have the powere that a *good* recording
>does.

agreed

> 
>Another CD I have that I don't care for (although
>it is definitely not the music I don't care for
>just the production) is of the Eleventh by
>the USSR Ministry of Culture Symphony Orchestra
>conducted by Gennadi Rozhdestvensky and recorded
>in 1983.  I assumed that the Russians would do
>DS justice, but apparently not.

the 11th, go for either James DePriest/Helsinki PO on
Delos (D/CD 3080) which is wonderful, the Haitink (on
a double CD set with the 6th and some overtures) or the
Jarvi on DG..

> 
>Can anyone suggest conductors or orchestras (or
>specific recordings) of DS works?  I would be
>very appreciative.

My personal favourites are the cycle (or mostly complete
cycle) by Neeme Jarvi mostly on Chandos and a few on
DG, with Haitink also doing very well on Decca/London. 

Jarvi conducts the Scottish National Orchestra (now
Royal Scottish Orchestra) and the Gothenburg Symphony
Orchestra, while Haitink recordings are mainly with
the London Philharmonic and the Concergebow(sp?) Orch.

> 
> 
>Tim Rushing (rushing@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu)

-richard


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From: lukoff@hardy.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
Subject: Re: Suggested conductor/symphony?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:08:04 GMT

In article <168C6F5E5.RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
> 
>I'm musically illiterate when it comes to classical
>music, but I've recently become a big fan of DS after
>listening to him at a friend's house.  I don't
>know who is a good conductor / orchestra for DS.
> 
>I have bought two symphonies.  One I like is a
>1982 Berliner Philharmoniker recording of
>the Tenth conducted by Herbert Von Karajan.
>I like it, but another friend of mine says it
>doesn't have the powere that a *good* recording
>does.
> 
>Another CD I have that I don't care for (although
>it is definitely not the music I don't care for
>just the production) is of the Eleventh by
>the USSR Ministry of Culture Symphony Orchestra
>conducted by Gennadi Rozhdestvensky and recorded
>in 1983.  I assumed that the Russians would do
>DS justice, but apparently not.
> 
>Can anyone suggest conductors or orchestras (or
>specific recordings) of DS works?  I would be
>very appreciative.
> 
> 
>Tim Rushing (rushing@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu)
From: raeram@kittyhawk (Richard A. Muirden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Looking for a biography of DSH
Date: 29 Dec 1992 05:24:25 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au

cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:

>THe consensus seems to be that Tesimony is a good book, and it is
>based on a true story.  Instead I would recommend "the New Shostakovich",
>by Ian McDonald  (ISBN # 1-55553-089-0).  I do not believe it has
>been translated into French.

I have finished Testimony and am about half way through "The New Shostakovich"
and I find this book to not only be wonderful, but very informative, specially
if you are after a pretty good description of the times (I would *not* have
wanted to be around in the 30's!) and the politics of it all, and in depth
discussions of each of the major pieces of DSCH's music, from the symphonies
to concertos, string quartets etc. Explaining little things like sequences
of repeated notes, and possible 'Stalin' motifs in places I'd never considered
to overall views and so on. The story of the 4th and 5th symphonies is very
well done.


>Charles Yeomans

-richard


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From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: Looking for a biography of DSH
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:24:26 GMT

In <1hone9INNt53@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> raeram@kittyhawk (Richard A. Muirden) writes:

>cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:

>>THe consensus seems to be that Tesimony is a good book, and it is
>>based on a true story.  Instead I would recommend "the New Shostakovich",
>>by Ian McDonald  (ISBN # 1-55553-089-0).  I do not believe it has

Is this the multi-instrumentalist Ian McDonald who was in early King Crimson
and helped form Foreigner?

>I have finished Testimony and am about half way through "The New Shostakovich"
>and I find this book to not only be wonderful, but very informative, specially
>if you are after a pretty good description of the times (I would *not* have
>wanted to be around in the 30's!) and the politics of it all, and in depth
>discussions of each of the major pieces of DSCH's music, from the symphonies
>to concertos, string quartets etc. Explaining little things like sequences
>of repeated notes, and possible 'Stalin' motifs in places I'd never considered
>to overall views and so on. The story of the 4th and 5th symphonies is very
>well done.

Now I'm going to have to go out and get it :(

(And here I was trying to save money...)

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From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Song of the Forests.
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:12:02 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

But what about the *music*!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: RE: Song of the Forests.
From: bstjohn@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:31:09 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

I have read a "transaltion" of the text for "Song of the Forests," and BOY is
it a piece of schlock!!!!! I am almost ashamed of this piece, as probably was
D.S. Of course, it is believed that D.S. was also ashamed of The Fifth, too.
However, Shostakovich's propaganda music isn't as degrading as Prokofiev's.
PPPPeeeeee-U!
From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: DS.Song of the Forests on CD?
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:09:43 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Does anyone know if the (1948?) oratorio Song of the
Forests is out on CD? I have an old Nonesuch LP which
I am very fond of and would like a CD version. This
music regularly gets bad press as political hack music
but i disagree: it is quite nice. Anyone else have an
opinion?
From: acid+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Colby)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Ralph Vaughan-Williams for DS fanatics???
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:49:26 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1i6odbINNsr0@life.ai.mit.edu> bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton) writes:
>You people might think I'm crazy but I heard on the radio last week a 
>symphony of the British composer Ralph Vaughn-Williams that would interest
>DS fans.

You must be talking about the Fourth symphony.  Actually, it was composed
between 1931 and 1934, and premiered in 1935 with Boult conducting.  I
didn't know there was a 1937 recording with RVW conducting.  Interesting.
And I think the exact RVW quote is: "I don't know if I like it, but it's
what I meant."  Very cool piece.  I never made the connection with DSCH,
but I think you made a good point there.

-chris

(P.S.:  Just to be pedantic, it's spelled Vaughan Williams.)
From: RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Suggested conductor/symphony?
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:29:09 GMT
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING


 
I'm musically illiterate when it comes to classical
music, but I've recently become a big fan of DS after
listening to him at a friend's house.  I don't
know who is a good conductor / orchestra for DS.
 
I have bought two symphonies.  One I like is a
1982 Berliner Philharmoniker recording of
the Tenth conducted by Herbert Von Karajan.
I like it, but another friend of mine says it
doesn't have the powere that a *good* recording
does.
 
Another CD I have that I don't care for (although
it is definitely not the music I don't care for
just the production) is of the Eleventh by
the USSR Ministry of Culture Symphony Orchestra
conducted by Gennadi Rozhdestvensky and recorded
in 1983.  I assumed that the Russians would do
DS justice, but apparently not.
 
Can anyone suggest conductors or orchestras (or
specific recordings) of DS works?  I would be
very appreciative.
 
 
Tim Rushing (rushing@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: lukoff@hardy.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
Subject: Re: violins & Shostakovitch.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:12:15 GMT

In article <1hb5p3INNoup@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> called@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Callan Ledsham) writes:
>Dear Sh. fans
>
>You might think of listening to Shokker's violin concertos.  He wrote
>two, and they are hauntingly beautiful and powerful.
>
>Could someone in the us track down Dmitri Sh. Jr. and give him an
>account on a computer ?
>
>
>P.S Anyone konw the email addrerss of anyone in seton hall university,
>south orange, NJ, USA ?  Can't finger it but want to.
>
>Help on the above, and happy listening.
>
>.
From: bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Ralph Vaughn-Williams for DS fanatics???
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:06:51 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

You people might think I'm crazy but I heard on the radio last week a 
symphony of the British composer Ralph Vaughn-Williams that would interest
DS fans.

I heard the original 1937 recording of it with the BBC Symphony conducted by
the composer.  It was awesome!  I have heard it before but never in its
entirity.  It may sound hard to believe that a man who wrote such pretty,
beautiful, and memorable works such as "Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis",
same kind of thing based on "Greensleves", and the English Folk Song Suite
(band and orchestra versions) as well as many other equally memorable pieces
(like the Symphonies #2 and #7) could write something so ironic, dramatic,
breath-taking, etc. etc. etc. in a manner not unlike Shostakovich.  It was
written in 1935, a critical year for DS, and apparently for Vaughn-Williams
since he was quoted as saying during the rehearsals for the premiere 
something like "It may not sound good, but it's what I felt at the time."
In the "Testimony" movie, DS supposedly said essentially the same thing.

In comparing this symphony to those of DS, it's somewhat reminiscent of 
his 4th:  not quite as much of a sickening feeling, but similar.  It's 
sort of like the fourth movement of the 10th in the dramatic effect.
I also feel a smattering of the 15th in there.

In any case, this is something that should interest the die-hard DS listener.

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rsutton@eis.calstate.edu
From: raeram@kittyhawk (Richard A. Muirden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Recordings of Shostakovich
Date: 29 Dec 1992 05:24:12 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au

kenneth@davy.uio.no (Kenneth Ruud) writes:

>However, when you ask whether to stick with Haitink or not, it sounds as 
>though you are mainly interested in his orchestral works. A very funny 
>piece (if you like ironical music pieces) is "The Golden Age". 

Pity the Haitink version of this suite is coupled with the awful 2nd and
3rd symphonies... Still, it is a good recording of that suite, though the
Jarvi version on DG with the 12th symphony and Hamlet Op. 32a suite is
by far the better buy, in my opinion. Jarvi does the whole lot just as
well as Haitink...


>I personally find Haitink to be the best interpreter of DSCH's music, and 
>_I_ don't think you will miss too much if you stick to him as a conductor.

Jarvi fans unite!! Though Haitink's 15th is by far, without doubt the
best recording I've heard (on Decca/London). Jarvi's 15th is pretty
dim and Maxim Shostakovich, whose 8th I liked, doesn't do so well
either, and the recording is marred with a lot of coughing and other
noises...


>Anyway, enjoy!!!

ditto :)

>>
>>	   Gag-Lae Kurtis Kim
>>	   gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>>	   THE SEEKER OF TRUTH
>>
>Kenneth
>--
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>Kenneth Ruud, doing Chemical Physics at the Department of Chemistry,
>University of Oslo, Norway.         E-mail: kenneth@dalton.uio.no

>I don't know what the computer language of the year 2000 will look like, but
>I know it will be called FORTRAN.
>_______________________________________________________________________________

-richard


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From: called@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Callan Ledsham)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: violins & Shostakovitch.
Date: 24 Dec 1992 02:03:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Dear Sh. fans

You might think of listening to Shokker's violin concertos.  He wrote
two, and they are hauntingly beautiful and powerful.

Could someone in the us track down Dmitri Sh. Jr. and give him an
account on a computer ?


P.S Anyone konw the email addrerss of anyone in seton hall university,
south orange, NJ, USA ?  Can't finger it but want to.

Help on the above, and happy listening.

.
From: bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Song of the Forests.
Date: 3 Jan 1993 05:52:12 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Well, you can't fault DS for a bad libretto for something he wrote.  It's
almost guaranteed that he didn't have much to do with it.  Besides, don't
fault the man for writing hack-work, what some people refer to as "shit":
the man had to eat and feed his wife and kids.  Usually, he did a pretty
good job with his hack work.  The "Festive Overture" is a prime example of
this.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher)
Subject: Re: Rush on Donahue
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:24:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I have the thing on tape and will try to do some type of a
summary. Sorry, no trascript though. It is the BUSY season.

Couple of thoughts. The crowd seemed to be split on sometimes
liking what Rush had to say and sometimes liking what Phil had 
to say. This was the second time I have seen these two go after
each other in the last several days. The first time was on CNBC
on the Phil show there.

An example from yesterday..
Phil tried to get Rush on several options and then asked if Rush
supported a law that would make abortion illegal. Rush said Yes and
then Phil started this thing about the need that Rush would inpose
to have a nazi-type police force to enforce the law. Rush said that
this would not be the case as there would be no difference between
a law against abortion as a law against murder.
Phil got very emotional and was yelling about this enforcement thing.
Rush turned it on him by saying that every time that this abortion
thing comes up, the abortion advocates get emotional and start screaming
about things that would never happen and things that the pro-life
folks are not even suggesting. 

I thought it was a very good 'backhand' to Phil.

I'll watch the last few minutes tonight and see what else I can get
out of it.

One funny thing, Phil started talking about how evil the 80's were
and how only the rich got richer and how bad that was. Rush brought
up the fact that the 80's had been very good to Phil Donahue and since
the 80's were this evil thing, that Phil should give back all the money
that he had made. Phil became rich on during the 1980's and was lambasting
the very decade that made him this way.


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