From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: A racist rears her ugly little head
Summary: Not quite *that* bad, but...
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:15:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1ggkjqINNaoi@bigboote.WPI.EDU> liz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (PostMistress General) writes:
>Oh, yes...I was waiting for someone to call me a racist...figures it would
>be you, you clueless wench.
>
>In article <Bz7qFs.AJr@world.std.com> rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama) 
>writes:
>>In article <1gg0d8INNl61@bigboote.WPI.EDU> liz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (PostMistress 
>>General) writes:
>>>Black Power is such bullshit.  We all know that if we ever had a march
>>>for White Rights and White Power that we would all immediately be
>>>labelled racist.  
>>
>>There's no "if" about it, hon. 
>>
>
>I suppose that blacks and hispanics can't be racist, right?

I hope I'm around when Trish finally figures out her error with that
assumption, because it should be highly entertaining.  You know they can, I
know they can -- but Trish, she just refuses to admit that she could be
completely wrong.

>What would be wrong with celebrating White culture?  They have Black
>history month, they have Women's history month, they have Hispanic
>history month.  What's the difference?  Don't we have just as much history
>as they do?  Don't we have just as much right to be proud of our history
>as they do?  

Right on.  If anyone was unwise enough to even make an attempt at such an
observance -- even if it was obviously tonge-in-cheek -- they'd get fried,
no questions asked.  Yet *I* don't mind if any ethnic group wants to have
some festival, or some observance of *their* culture, or heritage, or
whatever...so why the dichotomy?  I suspect it's because the ones screaming
"racism!" the loudest operate on the assumption that white folks *shouldn't*
have any rights until things get evened out -- and that's a crock if ever I
heard one, as I've told Trish.  Two wrongs don't make a right -- unless,
apparently, you're one of the PC Police, in which case math (and logic) is
irrelevant. 

>>>mean that we have to have affirmative action (quotas, which suck IMHO)
>>>and all these other laws to make up for what our ancestors did?
>>
>>Actually, dear, these laws are in place to make up for what our par-
>>ents and colleagues did and are still doing.
>
>Does that mean you or I are doing it?  I'm not.  Are you?

Neither am I.  Hey Trish -- are you?  I'd like to know, too.

>We all know that affirmative action, in theory, is great.  In
>practice, it is an unfair quota system which only breeds more contempt
>for the minority groups the laws are supposedly trying to help.  This
>contempt does not come from the person's color, but from the fact that
>the person gets hired (a lot of the time - not all the time) *because*
>they are from a particular minority group.  Sounds like reverse
>discrimination to me..."Hi, you're the most qualified for the job and
>everything, but I can't hire you because you are white, and I have a
>quota to fill."

I can agree with that -- I've been passed over for jobs for precisely that
reason, and I don't care what the PC folks think...it ain't right, any more
than it would be to pass over someone because they *weren't* white.

>>>were things that our *ancestors* did.  So, when does it end?  How long
>>>do we have to pay for things that happened long ago?
>>
>>What is this long ago shit?  Racism is still going on this very min-
>>ute and we will continue to pay for it until it has disappeared from
>>our society -- which, given the presence of people like you -- is
>>going to be a long time from now.
>
>Oh yes...I'm a racist white bitch from hell.  That's beautiful.  You
>know, name calling is what gets a lot of people into trouble when
>it comes to racial issues.  Are you PC?  Do you use the term "African
>American"?  If you don't you might get into a lot of trouble.  You're
>probably the same person who wants me to call that thing in the
>street a "person-hole cover".  

That could well be -- and I'm with you on this, too.  They don't like me
calling it a manhole?  Screw 'em.  (Must be that ridge-runner in me. :-)

>>I may have to revise my opinion of your articles, child.  You are
>>starting to sound as idiotic as your pal Dallagata.
>
>Baby, you can kiss my big ol' white butt.  Killfile me all you want.
>If you think I give a shit what you think of me, you are most sadly
>mistaken.

Bingo.  I don't particularly care what she thinks of me, either.  I just try
and do the best I can, unlike folks like Trish, who want to try and make
sure no one can be better at *anything* than anyone else.  

>Anybody else wanna call me racist?  Feel free.  *I* know I'm not racist.
>
>						--Liz

I don't think you are, either.  I just think Trish has a severe case of
cranio-rectal inversion, in this particular instance, which just goes to
show -- nobody's perfect.  

--PLH, getting testy because the Oilers are down 9-7 late in the third

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