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From: mancus@sam.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus/MDSSC)
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Organization: IGOAL, NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:56:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.181613.4954@u.washington.edu> tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall) writes:
>In article <TORSTEIN.92Oct6135926@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no> torstein@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (torstein hansen) writes:

>>5) When will the NT be available for the Indigo? At what price?

>As far as I know, there has been no definitive statement of support for
>the Indigo.  Last I heard, support was promised for only Intel 386/486 PC
>compatibles, MIPS R4000 ACE/ARC machines (which the Indigo is not), and
>DEC Alpha.  Others may happen, but have not yet been promised.

  Actually, it is just the opposite.  Although there is a running version
of NT in-house at SGI (which was demoed at SIGGRAPH '92, where I saw it),
SGI folks over on the appropriate net groups have stated that it is
strictly a technology demo and there are NO plans to support NT on SGI
workstations.
  The R4000 based Indigo *IS* an ACE/ARC machine, and I do not understand
why the shipped version isn't compatible with it.  But Tad is right, the
CDROM Mips version of NT will not run on an Indigo of any flavor (at
least this is what SGI folks told me).

  The bottom line:  I would not count on EVER being able to run NT
on any SGI workstation, including the Indigo.  ACE is dead.

-- 
| Keith Mancus    <mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>                         |
|                 N5WVR                                                  |
|  "If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out Texas and live       |
|  in Hell." -General Sheridan                                           |
From: jp@kullmar.se (Johan Persson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Peoples Impatience!
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:49:27 GMT
Organization: Firma Bo Kullmar Datakonsult

I agree completely in that Microsoft have come up with a winner (even though
I am a UNIX freak...). I think that they have mainly two very large advantages
that the UNIX-world does not, the first is that they only have their own 
standard to care about (the UNIX-world has lots of standards in every way, all
of which have to be preserved...), second they know how to sell things much 
better than the UNIX-salesmen (Microsoft are selling lots of licenses each
month, i.e. Windows, compilers, ...).

Tecknically however they are about equal, Microsoft have taken the goodies
out of the UNIX- and VMS-kernel (did they take anything else than security
from VMS?). All in all, I think that they have a very good chance of success.

There is however one thing that may go wrong, and that is that they release to 
many beta-versions and thus lessen the effect of the real release.

It looks very promising to me.


My $0.02 worth.

/jp, Johan Persson
From: akin@sgi.com (Allen Akin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Date: 8 Oct 1992 21:14:42 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tuolumne.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct7.155647.2501@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mancus@sam.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus/MDSSC) writes:
|                                  ...  Although there is a running version
| of NT in-house at SGI (which was demoed at SIGGRAPH '92, where I saw it),
| SGI folks over on the appropriate net groups have stated that it is
| strictly a technology demo and there are NO plans to support NT on SGI
| workstations.

I wouldn't put it quite that strongly.  SGI executives have stated
publically that SGI intends to support NT.  For example, see Tom
Jermoluk's letter in the 9/14/92 issue of PC Week.

However, it is true that there are no announced plans giving specifics
for platforms, dates, etc.  Any such plans would be based on business
issues that SGI would be unlikely to discuss in public (for obvious
reasons).  So for now, no one should make any assumptions about which
SGI platforms might support NT, or when.  (With the exception of the
MIPS Magnum and Millenium machines, which are ARC compliant and for
which NT support has already been announced.)

|   The R4000 based Indigo *IS* an ACE/ARC machine, and I do not understand
| why the shipped version isn't compatible with it.  But Tad is right, the
| CDROM Mips version of NT will not run on an Indigo of any flavor (at
| least this is what SGI folks told me).

The NT CDROM does not include the R4000 Indigo drivers.  Obviously some
instances of these drivers and the R4000 Indigo HAL do exist, because
they were used for the NT demonstrations at SIGGRAPH and the Microsoft
Win32 Developers Conference.  Whether they are ever shipped depends on
the business issues mentioned above.


It's worth noting that the effort to incorporate OpenGL in Windows/NT
is ongoing.  This requires some significant extensions to Windows/NT
GDI and USER, such as support for overlay planes, multiple pixel
formats, multiple hardware colormaps, direct access to rendering
hardware, etc.  The size of this project and its need for close
interaction with Microsoft should give you some indication that SGI
takes Windows/NT very seriously.

Allen
From: garyng@gnct.com (garyng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 21:22:42 HKG-8
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

leehart@microsoft.com (Lee Hart) writes:

> 
> ....  Another is that letting the subsidiaries do the distribution
> allows them to keep more in touch with our customers.
> 

But not all your subsidiaries or local offices are as good as that in the states. They just don't seem to be willing to deal with Joe blow user. That's my
experience here in HK. They make me sick.

-gary
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From: geog@teal.csn.org (Brad Wright)
Subject: Q&E, ODBC, and spatial queries
Followup-To: geog@teal.csn.org
Keywords: Q&E, ODBC, SQL
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:33:25 GMT

   The integration department at GeoGraphix has noticed an interesting
limitation with the Q&E Database product.  There isn't any way to base a query
on spatial information.  For instance, it isn't possible to query for all of
the 7-11s with-in a 6 mile radius of a given point.  Or you can't query for all
of the Schools with-in a given polygon.  Or, better yet, you can't query for all
of the gas stations with-in 1000 feet of interstate 70.

   We are completely aware that we could query for the locations with-in a
bounding box and then perform the more exact filtering of the locations in a
layer of code built on top of SQL.  This will work fine when the database is
located on the machine where you are making the query.  However, some
tremendous network thrashing could occur if the database is accessed via a
network.  The bounding box concept doesn't work well on an interstate running
diagonally across the united states.  You could end up with 100,000 records
sent across the network when you really only needed 50.

   Given the fact that applications with GIS and database capabilities are
becoming increasingly popular, these limitation should be addressed.  More
specifically, do the ODBC or ANSI versions of SQL have some spatially oriented
querying abilities?  If they don't, will they ever?

   I would like to hear from any of you out there have any opinions, comments,
or address of people working on the ODBC or ANSI specifications.

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Jim Burnham, APP       | Three stupid things to say as a software developer:
All Purpose Programmer |    "Have that done by this afternoon, latest."
GeoGraphix, Inc.       |    "It will work fine as long as you don't..."
geog@teal.csn.otg      |    "I don't understand why it doesn't work."
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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NT for multiple users(?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:00:40 GMT
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In  <5398@krafla.rhi.hi.is>  karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen) writes:
> Can the same NT machine be used by two+ users at a time?  And if so
> how are they classified (one user the others as anonymous processes?).
>
> I know that NT is not classified as a multiuser system, but I find it
> hard to believe that NT doesn't support somekind of sharing of the same CPU
> between users.
>

NT supports RPC, this is the preferred way to share CPUs in NT. There
is no such thing like remote Console Login (e.g. via TELNET).
The statements from MS are not quite clear.

All I found out now, was that the kernel as well as the subsystems are
capable of running different processes in different security contexts.
The other thing is, they stated, that interactive processes, that are
running concurrently must be run in the same security context.

No one could tell me clearly, what the criteria is, when a process is
interactive and when it is not interactive.

> A detailed description would be appreciated!

That would be really a fine thing.

Christoph
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From: joiner@myria.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner)
Subject: Re: NT slows down on memory upgrade
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:45:23 GMT

In <1992Oct9.180024.1@mits.com.au> alistair@mits.com.au writes:

>Whenever we try to upgrade a PC (ISA, EISA, different brands,
>configurations, etc) from 16 Mbyte to 32 MByte main memory, NT slows
>down horribly (we do reconfigure the PC for the extra memory).
>Has anyone else experienced this?

Are you mixing 1MB and 4MB SIMMS?  I experienced a horrible slowdown
when mixing them, and eventually removed the 4MB.
From: Jacob.Levy@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Jacob Levy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Telnet Slow
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:49:06 -0100

Organization: What?! Organization???


>I don't think it's the computer - my 486/50 with a fast VGA and ethernet
>card runs Win-NT Telnet just like the 2400 baud modem you mention.

It seems to be the console or COM API. It is as slow as molasses. I noticed
that scrolls take over 100% of the CPU, so it must be doing some real hungo
mungo computations there :-). Guess it is complicated to scroll a window
after all :-).

--JYL

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: MCL and /Zp switch
X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Reply-To: Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:22:07 GMT

I'm using the MCL compiler on my Olivetti PWS4000 to build the Windows
3.1 application I'm porting.

I copied the whole lot across, makefiles and all, and have been (slowly)
changing the bits that don't work.

I had a problem whereby GetTextMetrics(hDC, &tm) was causing the app to
crash with a "Data Misalignment" error.  After much grotting around I
dumped out "&tm" and was surprised to find that it started on an odd
address.  After a further bit of investigation I discovered that the
reason for this is that "sizeof(tm)" was 53, ad its base address was 53
bytes below the previous (HANDLE) variable on the stack.

I removed the /Zp switch compiler switch and rebuilt and the problem
went away.

So the question is this: Am I right in thinking that I *don't* need /Zp
for Win32?
From: kenyee@sneakers (Ken Yee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Fatal System Errors
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:31:47 EDT

In article <1992Oct8.024618.17756@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de>  
hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter) writes:
> This has also been discussed before, of course you can install NT after
> you have installed OS/2 2.0. NT's flexboot just gets a little confused
> about the drive letters. So change the x:\WINNT to
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(x)partition(y)\WINNT and flexboot will work  
perfectly.
> [David Kolb]
>Just turn off BM, install NT and then reboot OS/2 from Floppy and
>re-install it where the 1M partition was.  Seems to work except that
>sometimes both BM and FLEXBOOT don't seem to allow me a choice of OS.
>
>When that happens (usually after a Windows NT shutdoen), I just power
>the machine and get my choices no problem.
  Thanks for the replies.  I hope this "problem" gets fixed in the
  final release.  There was an article in Windows magazine that
  indicated that it would only work if NT were installed first

> I've had success after failure w/ SCSI drives if I formatted the drive
> under OS/2 or DOS before letting NT see it.  The SCSI drives had  
originally
> come from a UNIX system and caused NT to hang at boot time.
> David Kolb                    Opinions are my own not SAS'
  reformat I did do.  not much fun reinstalling though :-(

> [Cyclops]
> Here it is straight out of NTFAQ.TXT.  If you want the complete FAQ for
> * If the card allows, slow down the DMA transfer rate.
  this I may be guilty of.  I'm running the ISA bus at 11Mhz.
  I'll let you know if slowing it down works...

 ken

Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32:1445 comp.unix.questions:12026 comp.unix.dos-under-unix:111
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.dos-under-unix
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:55:14 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>As you pointed out, 286 are cheap: and they are good for text based
>applications. That's why WNT should not restrict itself to graphical
>applications: a minimum to run a window GUI is a good 386

Umm, a minimum to run WNT, GUI or no, is a 386.  I don't think Microsoft
gives a damn about making it run on 286's, and frankly, I suspect
that's the correct decision on their part.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: How to run net cmds at boot time?
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:00:19 GMT

Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>Ben> Instructions for automatic "net start" on the PDK release:
>
>Ben> Start regedit.  Open HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services.
>Ben> Look therein for the service you want to autostart (e.g.
>Ben> LanmanServer).  Set the Start value of the service to 2 (this is
>Ben> SERVICE_AUTO_START if you know the Win32 Service Control Manager
>Ben> APIs).
>
>I've just tried this for TcpipSvc on my Olivetti PWS4000 (MIPS R4000)
>and it doesn't work.  I'm logged on as "Administrator" and I get
>"Insufficient privilege".
>
>I tried using the User Manager to grant the Administrators group every
>single privelege, logged out and back in, and still couldn't do it.
>
>Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!

When you're using regedit you'll notice an item on the menu bar relating to
security.  With the item you want to chang highlighted then use this option
(logged on as administrator) to give yourself the appropriate access ;^].


-- 
Renrut Werdna			Probable-Possible, my black hen,
				She lays eggs in the Relative When.
				She doesn't lay eggs in the Positive Now
act@ss.canberra.edu.au		Because she's unable to postulate how
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From: jcn@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (James C. Nugen)
Subject: NT Multiprocessor Support?
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:03:34 GMT

Can anyone direct me to a source of information on how NT accesses and
controls multiple processors?

Thanks,
-- 
James C. Nugen
jcn@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: amc@beryl.demon.co.uk (Anthony McCarthy)
Subject: MS: New Windows NT DDK info 
Distribution: world
Organization: Rather poor
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:57:04 +0000


In article <1992Oct14.222210.15648@microsoft.com> dwightm@microsoft.com writes:

>Thanks to everyone who commented on our pricing/packaging plans 
>for the Windows NT Preliminary DDK. In response to your requests 
>we have decided to lower the price for the DDK, and offer a CD-only 
>version of the product. Here's the new US pricing: 
>
>        DDK CD-ROM only-                        $69

This is excellent news. Thanks for listening!

>International customers should contact their local MS office for 
>ordering, pricing, and  availability information.

I just rang the MS Upgrade Centre in the UK for more info about this
for UK developers. The lady there knew nothing about a DDK release of
any kind and seemed to get rather confused between SDKs and DDKs.
(Easily done!)  I'll wait a couple of weeks before trying again, but
could you communicate the good news to your foreign offices, please?!

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Anthony McCarthy           14 Beryl Road - Bedminster - Bristol - BS3 3DH - UK
amc@beryl.demon.co.uk 100012.3712@compuserve.com amccarthy@cix.compulink.co.uk
==============================================================================
From: kenyee@sneakers (Ken Yee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Fatal System Errors
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:07:41 EDT

In article <30@hymir.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> gsl@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Geoff Lamb)  
writes:
> 
> I am trying to install Windows NT over our network using PC-NFS and a  
SUN Sparc CD-ROM and the dos2nt.bat file.
> 
> I get to the bit where it asks if I want to boot NT or DOS, I choose NT  
and I get the following errors:
> 
> 	*** Fatal System Error : 0x00000069
> 
> 	*** Phase 1 I/O initialization failed
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas? Or does anyone know what those errors mean?
    I get the same stupid error.  I wish Microsoft tech support would
    answer questions on this usenet group instead of requiring CIS
    access.
    I have a WD7000FASST SCSI card.  The driver seems to load before I
    get this error.
    A couple of people who've gotten around it have suggested formatting
    the disk to one partition for NT only.  Another one got new ROMs for
    his Ultrastor controller.  Sounds like a generic "I'm clueless"
    error to me :-<

 On a different note, have you heard that WinNT won't load at all if you
 have OS/2 2.0 Boot Manager loaded anywhere on the disk?  OS/2 2.0 can
 be loaded after WinNT, however.  Guess who's in the "we don't have to
 be compatible with anyone because we *ARE* the standard" camp?  :-)

  ken
From: jason@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jason Nadrowski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Questions on NT
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:16:04 GMT
Organization: EE computer teaching labs


I'm confused!

When I login and spawn a process; then logout, are all my processes killed?
If so, will this change in the NEAR future?

Is there support for running a process remotely and thus displaying the
result on my screen--similar to rlogin?

Is there (maybe going to be) a feature where I can have the active window
be the one with the cursor over it; thus having the active window as
an underlapping window?
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: leehart@microsoft.com (Lee Hart)
Subject: Re: SCSI-1 CD-ROM
Date: 08 Oct 92 23:41:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: SCSI-1 CD-Roms may need an additional driver

In article <1992Oct07.064535.123692@zeus.calpoly.edu>, atam@zeus.calpoly.edu (Alexander W Tam) writes:
> I have a NEC CDR-84 internal CD-ROM drive. It was used to
> install NT on my machine. However, the pre-release version of
> NT doesn't support SCSI-1 CD-ROM for audio playback. i.e. I
> cannot listen to musical CDs under NT right now. Anybody knows
> whether the next version, may be beta release due in the end
> of October, of NT will support SCSI-1 CD-ROM so that I can use
> the "CDPlayer" utility?

The SCSI drivers in Windows NT assume SCSI-2.  However, it is possible to
write a 'filter' driver that will take the SCSI-2 commands and convert them
into SCSI-1 commands that your SCSI device understands.  I do not know if
or how many SCSI-I CD Players will be supported in the Beta.  You should
contact your SCSI-1 vendor and ask them about support under Windows NT.  The
information necessary to writes these filter drivers will be presented at
the DDK Conference in Anaheim later this month.
 
> By the way, does anyone have a SCSI-2 CD-ROM successfully play
> musical CDs under NT using the 'CDPlayer' program?

Yes :-)

Lee Hart
Not a spokesman
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From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Re: Which LIBs do I need?
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:48:43 GMT


Here is something from compu$erve:

Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Richard Spence 100112,304 (X)

Richard:

When using CRTDLL.LIB it is necessary to place -D_MT and -D_DLL on the compile
command line.  Adding these defines should correct the problem you have been
experiencing with the CTYPE macros.

The below table summarizes this information:

 +------------+-------------------------------------+----------------+
 |            |            Program Type             |                |
 |            +------------------+------------------+                |
 | C Run-Time |   Application    |        DLL       | Define Symbols |
 |  Library   +---------+--------+---------+--------+                |
 |            | Single  | Multi- | Single  | Multi- |                |
 |            | thread  | thread | thread  | thread |                |
 +------------+---------+--------+---------+--------+----------------+
 |LIBC.LIB    | *       |        | *       |        | (none)         |
 |LIBCMT.LIB  | *       | *      | *       | *      |  _MT           |
 |CRTDLL.LIB  | *       | *      | *       | *      |  _MT, _DLL     |
 +------------+---------+--------+---------+--------+----------------+
From: jim@applix.com (Jim Morton [ext 237])
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Telnet Slow
Summary: Telnet is slooooowwwww
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:32:35 GMT
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA

In article <JONES.92Oct7174109@hal.uvm.edu>, Mike Jones writes:
]> I have a 20Mhz 386DX and I find my TCP/IP telnet window about as fast
]> as my 12 Mhz 8086 with a 2400 baud modem.
]> 
]> It appears that window scrolling is very slow under Windows.  Is it
]> still slow under the faster 486/33's ?  I have seen X/UNIX running on a
]> 486/33, and it wasn't slow at all.  So, are we talking slow computer,
]> or slow window system/OS ?
]> 
]> Mike

I don't think it's the computer - my 486/50 with a fast VGA and ethernet
card runs Win-NT Telnet just like the 2400 baud modem you mention.

--
Jim Morton, Applix Inc., Westboro, MA
...uunet!applix!jim    jim@applix.com
From: jbs@Congruent.COM (Jeffrey Siegal)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: GNU Software CD-ROM for NT ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:53:11 GMT
Organization: Congruent Corporation; New York, NY
In-reply-to: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com's message of 5 Oct 92 20:45:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.204512.4698@jpradley.jpr.com> adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes) writes:

   Can someone point me to the company that has ported the GNU software
   to NT and is distributing it on CDROM.

Congruent Corporation 
110 Greene Street
New York NY 10012

212/431-5100
212/219-1532 fax
info@Congruent.COM
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