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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Music on Northern Exposures
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:19:56 GMT

I was watching Northern Exposures last night (a rerun), and heard some
great music I was wondering if anyone could identify.  The episode is
the one about Joel discovering that a guy named Jack had committed
suicide in his cabin 40 years earlier.  The scene is Chris doing some
sort of soliloquy on his radio show about the cities of the dead being
surrounded by the cities of the living, while examining a brick from
the demolition of Mel's Gun and Ammo.  The music in question had a couple
of guitars and an organ, probably a B3.  It sounded sort of like a
cross between Jimmy Smith and Booker T and the MGs.  Can anyone identify
the artist/song/album?  Thanks.

Larry Owen
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Subject: Re: Miles Davis '70's output
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: tub
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:57:16 GMT

In <Brr3w7.1L1@acsu.buffalo.edu> v059jck9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald S Russ) writes:

>In regards to Big Fun, I have a cd copy of the album.  It was on CBS special
>products.  I haven't seen it though in many places.  There may also be some 
>japanese pressings of th cd as well.  It would have been nice to have heard
>John Mclaughlin's guitar solo without the effects.  Maybe the engineers were
>playing with some new toys or they were tripping at the time.  Personnaly, they
>should have just let the music speak for itself.  I have the same complaint on
>the Captain Beefheart album on blue thumb records, the one with all the phase
>shifting.  His music is weird enough without the effects.  The reason I post a
>question like this is that I have been reading a lot about miles and it seems as
>though this is one of the most criticized periods in his career.  Also, he 
>dosen't seem to talk much about it in his autobiography or in the Miles Davis
>Radio Project.  Thanks again for the commentary.

>Ron Russ

Well, I don't know about "Big Fun", but I'm pretty certain that Beefheart
himself is responsible for any such diddling on his records.  And I would
bet that Miles is responsible for phase shifting on *his* records, also.

I remember a relevant quote from Bonnie Raitt.  Reviewers used to
always say, "It's too bad how the producer 'over-produced' this
record instead of just letting Bonnie play."  And she said somethig like,
"How come people think I'm not involved in the decisions made about
how my record is going to sound?"

I suspect that Miles was even more involved than BR, though perhaps
not as involved as Beefheart.

It's killing me, I can't remember Beefheart's real name.  Don something,
right?  Help!

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: ?? Miles Davis '85 & '87 in Germany ??
From: jlovkay@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:35:52 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University


Anyone know who was playing with Miles Davis in Berlin, 11/85 ?

How about Hamburg, 11/24/87 ?

Thanks, Jim
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From: marklew@microsoft.com (Mark Lewin)
Subject: Re: The Duke
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:04:28 GMT
Organization: Microsoft

rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>I would also recommend, partly because of the price and partly because it's a 
>great set typical of what the Ellington Orch. performed in a dance setting, 
>the newly issued HAPPY BIRTHDAY DUKE! THE BIRTHDAY SESSIONS on LaserLight.  

What years were these recorded in?

Mark
From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Music on Northern Exposure
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:51:07 GMT

owen@ducvax.auburn.edu writes
> I was watching Northern Exposures last night (a rerun), and heard some
> great music I was wondering if anyone could identify.

Yeah... me, too.  Parenthetically, I was also wondering about the
music at the end, when they're panning around the photo taken at
Joel's Social Event  :-)

Any ideas?

-Patrick
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
From: gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Charles Gayle
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:24:21 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org

>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 92 09:46:25 CDT, wave3_3!decision.csl.uiuc.edu!down (Doug Down) said:

  Doug> Knitting Factory Works has a Charles Gayle CD out entitled Repent. Consists
  Doug> of two tracks, the title track and a 50 minute long monster entitled Jesus
  Doug> Christ and Scripture. It's great to have another release by Gayle out,
  Doug> featuring his relentless playing... I do have a couple of complaints, though.
  Doug> As I said, I do enjoy the relentless aspect, but (call me a wimp) a 50 minute
  Doug> piece is just too long for me...

Well, that's always a problem with live recordings of artists who play
set-long compositions rather than short "songs".  Sadly, these same
artists rarely seem to get the chance to cut studio recordings.  Most
Cecil Taylor albums have this "problem" -- they are so big that one is
hard-pressed to discern the structure.  Francis Davis, in "Outcats"
showed dismay at trying to juggle family, the Mahabharata and a new
2-hour Cecil Taylor recording.  He doubted he would ever get the
chance to really listen to it a second time and asked rhetorically
whether it is fair for art to demand so much from its audience.  The
CD format at least removes interruptions in the program, but as you
say, it is hard to devote an uninterrupted hour to one tune.  Easy to
do at a concert, when you are there specifically to concentrate and
have a focal point (the performer) to keep your attention on the
music; hard to do at home with interruptions both major (kids, for me)
and minor (attention wandering to a magazine), and no visual cues to
keep focussing your attention on the music.  (I recommend the book
called "The Recording Angel", which discusses this phenomenon, in
addition to the music buyer's disease.  It's in paperback from Penguin.)

One artist who has unwittingly (I assume) provided a solution to this
"problem" is Anthony Braxton -- his live sets are continuous for 60-70
minutes, but his quartet weaves several compositions together -- often
2 or 3 or 4 simultaneously -- so that one can sample the work without
having to sit through the whole thing at one time.  The "collaging"
actually helps one pick up the context of the performance even if you
jumps into the middle.

--------------------------------------------------
Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
Wavetracer, Inc.
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From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: The Monette Trumpets (was Re: Wynton's horn)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:51:30 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Distribution: usa
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Jul24.150944.25316@b11.b11.ingr.com> (rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.makers), goodloe@birdland.ingr.com (Tony Goodloe) writes:
> 
> >and Monette doesn't make mouthpieces for non-Monette owners yet.
> 
> They just started recently - $160 a pop. I may get one, but I may just wait
> for the whole horn :)
> 
> tony


Better to spend the time in the practice room than waiting for the
"perfect" equipment to come along.

David
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Church of St. John the Divine?
Keywords: coltrane, church
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:05:48 GMT

schabert@spieden.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert) writes:

>I remember someone posting several months ago about visiting a church in
>San Francisco called the Church of St. John the Divine.  Apparently,
>this church has made John Coltrane their patron saint, and performs his
>music at the beginning of each church service.  Was I just dreaming
>this, or does this place really exist?  If anyone knows its whereabouts,
>I would appreciate getting an address and/or telephone number.

If I recall correctly, I think it is/was called the One Mind Temple, and 
it was located at Divisadero and Oak street, with the entrance on Divisadero
right on the corner or a door or two in, right across the street from a 
Martinizing dry cleaners. I say it was because it's been years since I've been
near there and I don't know if they are still at that location. 

I do know that it still exists because a musican friend visiting recently told
me he'd been there while in town. I know they used to give free meals on 
occasion, and I've heard that the services include lots of almost everyone 
there wailing on saxes. In fact I think that may be all the "services" consist
of. 

Hey, it's even listed in the phone book, but I'm too lazy to re-edit the above: 

One Mind Temple Evolutionary Transitional Church of Christ
351 Divisadero,SF, 94117   415-621-4054

 - malcolm@wrs.com  
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From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: WANTED:  Help with sax purchase ... Selmer?, Beuscher(SP?)?
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:04:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Jul29.125313.23075@crd.ge.com> burdick@hditest1.crd.ge.com (William E. Burdick KWC-1604 5585) writes:

>1.  Throw all caution to the wind; buy a Selmer VI ... if I can find
>    one for under $$$$$$!

Good choice, but as you say, MKVIs are very expensive now... when I was
in NY last week, tenors were selling for ~$3000, give or take $500.00 -
They are worth it though (IMHO)

>2.  Buy a used Beuscher (sp?) model 400; I know little to nothing of these
>    but a few people I've spoken with speak highly of them.  What's
>    the story on this sax?

I'm not sure about the beuscher tenors, but their older altos seem okay,
basically nothing fancy but they work.

>3.  Buy a new Bundy (or another brand?).

A bundy is never considered a step up. Perhaps an old (like 1930s) CONN
tenor would be good, those are some classic horns and they play smooth.

>P.S.  No need to recommend Yamaha or any other Japanese products to me;
>      I only buy Japanese products when there are absolutely no other
>      options (e.g., I own Japanese VCRs ... don't we all?).

Too bad...yamaha makes some great saxes

-- 
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From: goodloe@birdland.ingr.com (Tony Goodloe)
Subject: Re: The Monette Trumpets (was Re: Wynton's horn)
Reply-To: goodloe@birdland.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:09:44 GMT

>and Monette doesn't make mouthpieces for non-Monette owners yet.

They just started recently - $160 a pop. I may get one, but I may just wait
for the whole horn :)

tony

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: larry@lut.fi (Lauri Toropainen)
Subject: MVP (Mark Varney Project)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:36:10 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

I recently purchased a CD from this band entitled "Centrifugal
Funk" (1991). I was very pleased to notice that the title kept
its promises - very tough and technically excellent jazz/funk
throughout the whole recording.

Frank Gambale is accompanied by 3 promising guitarists (Brett
Garsed, Shawn Lane and Mike O'Neill), Jimmy Earl takes care of
the bass while Steve Tavaglione plays the sax.

Is there anything else available from MVP? If I have understood
right, Mark Varney's idea is to introduce new guitarists on these
albums.

Cheers,
lt
-- 

+++ Lauri.Toropainen@comlab.it.lut.fi (A.K.A. larry@sam.tele.fi) +++
From: v059jck9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald S Russ)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: re: Miles Davis '70's output
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In regards to Big Fun, I have a cd copy of the album.  It was on CBS special
products.  I haven't seen it though in many places.  There may also be some 
japanese pressings of th cd as well.  It would have been nice to have heard
John Mclaughlin's guitar solo without the effects.  Maybe the engineers were
playing with some new toys or they were tripping at the time.  Personnaly, they
should have just let the music speak for itself.  I have the same complaint on
the Captain Beefheart album on blue thumb records, the one with all the phase
shifting.  His music is weird enough without the effects.  The reason I post a
question like this is that I have been reading a lot about miles and it seems as
though this is one of the most criticized periods in his career.  Also, he 
dosen't seem to talk much about it in his autobiography or in the Miles Davis
Radio Project.  Thanks again for the commentary.

Ron Russ
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: austin@decisv.ucs.dec.com (Cathy Austin)
Subject: Re: Bay Area 8/4-8/9
Reply-To: austin@decisv.ucs.dec.com (Cathy Austin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:05:21 GMT

>Eddie Moore Festival at Yoshi's: 

I got tickets for 8/4, 5, 6, 8th.

You forgot 8/4: Living on the Edge with India Cooke and Angela Wellman


-Cat
From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: RPG All-Star Big Band
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:09:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN

bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:

: >Friend of mine told me I must buy this album (GRP All-Star Big Band),
: >but I can't find it, and we have no idea as to the recording label.
:        ^- odd, but a good sign                       ^you're looking at it,
:                                                       GRP _is_ the label.
: >Any suggestions?

: On the other hand there is a great tradition of exciting big-band music.
: My suggestion would be to buy the Ellington "Blanton-Webster Band" set
: but since that's 3 CDs it might be out of line.  Would a more clued-in
: person care to suggest a good 1-CD currently available introduction to
: Duke? 

Yes, try "Digital Duke" By the Duke Ellington Orchestra.  It a new
version of some of Duke's best.  I believe the orchestra is led by his
son.  The disc has a nice clean sound and definitely worth buying IMO.

--

Tom McCain 
tom@ecn.purdue.edu
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From: goodloe@birdland.ingr.com (Tony Goodloe)
Subject: Re: Wynton's horn
Keywords: jazz(?),trumpets,trumpet players
Reply-To: goodloe@birdland.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:02:18 GMT

>...and I am very curious about the
>trumpet he was playing...old looking, nice sound and
>all of that, but i've never seen one like that....
>
>Anyone have any info on what kind it was?
>

It is made by a company in Chicago, Monette. They are, IMHO, the finest
trumpets made. They have two spokesmen, one jazz, Wynton, and one
legit, the principal of the BSO. Wynton's horn is their top of the
line, the Raja II. It runs about $14,000. I have had the pleasure of
playing some of their lesser models in their shop, around $5,000. I am
going to get one some day. They are fabulous. Notice on some of
Wynton's older albums and you will see that he is playing earlier
models of Monettes. They can always be recognized by their flat finish.
Dave Monette feels that the stress induced when a horn is buffed
affects the sound adversely. They put the horns together with no jigs.
All custom made. They actually will adjust it for the individual
player! The horn is not under any stress while being assembled. Notice
also, that the mouthpiece is integral with the horn. The goal is to
come very close to a solid piece of brass. The bracing is incredibly
stout. I guess a Raja would weigh about 5+ pounds, versus a regular
horn at about 1-2 pounds. Mass is the key to a dark, focused sound. You
touched a soft spot with a Monette. Money can't buy love, but it can
buy a Monette, and that's the next best thing!

________________________________________________________________________
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Senior System Engineer	    Email:    ...uunet!ingr!b11!birdland!goodloe
Intergraph Corp.		           goodloe@birdland.b11.ingr.com
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________________________________________________________________________
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                - Paul Hindemith
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From: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: coltrane - exotica -
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:28:23 EST
Reply-To: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

AS>Trane plays flute (and Pharaoh Sanders plays piccolo flute) on
AS>one long track on Expression, his last recording session, with

AS>if I remember correctly.  Does anyone know the name of this track?

"To Be."

Dale Smoak
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Charles Gayle
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:31:37


> gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea) writes:

> >>>>> wave3_3!decision.csl.uiuc.edu!down (Doug Down) said:
> 
>   > Knitting Factory Works has a Charles Gayle CD out entitled
>   Repent. Consists 
>   > As I said, I do enjoy the relentless aspect, but (call me a
>   wimp) a 50 minute 
>   > piece is just too long for me...

> Well, that's always a problem with live recordings of artists who play
> set-long compositions rather than short "songs".  Sadly, these same

Well then you clearly haven't sat through a 90 minute set (right
Marc? :)) where even the airconditioning didn't stop us from
sweating!! :-)

Nor have you sat through Charles' stop-in-the-middle-of-a-blistering-solo, 
let's do an anti-abortion tirade, get-back-to-solo situation? :-)

Aside from forays into gospel, scary renditions of Ghosts, I don't
think Charles plays compositions in any traditional (or
non-traditional) sense. Like you said, he's simply relentless. 

BTW, word has it that he's finally dumped his I-can-be-louder-than-Charles 
and I'm-musically-deaf-to-him drummer David Pleasant. 

Please someone say Reggie Nicholson. Please! :-)

/sandeep
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"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
	-- Edgard Varese
From: natsume@qad.cpg.sony.co.jp (Susumu Natsume)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Jazz Breakbeats
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:00:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote
Organization: SONY corp., Atsugi TEC, Japan.


In article <22785@oasys.dt.navy.mil> sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero) writes:

 >Xref: cpgqagw rec.music.bluenote:129 alt.rap:3115
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 >From: sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero)
 >Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.funky,alt.rap
 >Date: 27 Jul 92 15:10:52 GMT
 >References: <35991@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
 >Reply-To: sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero)
 >Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote
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 >Lines: 29
 >
 >In alt.rap, mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars) writes:
 >>Just wondering if anyone knows some good records for jazz breaks.
 >>I don't know much about jazz since I just recently really got into
 >>this stuff.
 >>
[stuff deleted]

It seems my nemacs doesn't work well for GNU news system, so I post this
(not follow to original subject).

In article <35991@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars) writes:
 >Just wondering if anyone knows some good records for jazz breaks.
 >I don't know much about jazz since I just recently really got into
 >this stuff.
 >

 "blue break beats" CD (EMI Record CDP 7991062 UK:BNZ 288) will be good enough
for your favor.
 This is a compilation of mid 60's-early 70's bluenote funk/R&B oriented
jazz tunes , compiled by some UK DJs.

It incledes both artists that you listed ,like 
 >Donald Byrd - all his stuff from thearly 70's kicks hard also a Best
 >of CD out recently on Bluenote
 >

& not(Richard Groove Holmes, Grant Green,Herbie Hancock etc.etc.).

 >What else is worth is worth keeping an eye out for???  Yeah, also

Like this CD, you better check out some UK DJs or labels(Giles Peterson in 
Talking Loud label). But I'm afraid you Americans have less chances to get UK
 CD's than European or Japanease. Cause I read a article of Organized Konfusion
's interview in a Japanese magazine, and it said MC of the group found this CD
 in Tower Recored in Japan FIRST , and he said they can merely find jazz record
from UK in US.

But in notes of this CD, you can find some info. of the other good jazz tunes,
artist, and the address of EMI jazz,Customer Services. In the notes It says,

  " If you enjoyed this CD and would like to receive FREE regular inform-
    ation about future similar releases,plaese write to

             EMI Jazz,Customer Services,
          EMI Records,20 Manchester Square,
                 London W1A 1ES                                   

So, at least you can get this FREE info. from this address.

Nats
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From: sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.funky,alt.rap
Subject: Re: Jazz Breakbeats
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:10:52 GMT
Reply-To: sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Shapero)
Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.rap, mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars) writes:
>Just wondering if anyone knows some good records for jazz breaks.
>I don't know much about jazz since I just recently really got into
>this stuff.
>

Well, if you want to be more intellectual about it :-)...
First off, go and purchase "A Love Supreme" by John Coltrane.  This
record set the standard for all subsequent jazz, and is one of the most
imitated records (but never successfully).  In particular, the bass
line is killer for looping (for that A Tribe Called Quest type groove)
and contains a vocal chant of "A Love Supreme" that would make people
drop their load if they heard it.  Pretty much anything by Ornette Coleman
can be made into a cool break.  Check out "Free Jazz".  It requires
creativity to make it groove right, but if you time things well and
are famaliar with the tunes, you can make some dynamite mixes.  Mos
large group Art Blakey material contains a lot 60's style trombone-horn-
sax type melody lines than can be snagged.  Also, "Freddie Freeloader"
by Miles Davis (which appears on the classic album "Almost Blue") contains
a universal riff that I've never heard in a rap tune before.  Maceo
Parker did a lot of solo material that I have never heard, but it might
be worth checking out.  I know it's not P-Funk, but hey...

peace, I'm out like an 8 track
_______________________________________________________________________
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sshapero@oasys.dt.navy.mil   matter anyway/Just as long as you know/
ed. who cares? fanzine       That I don't care if you go"-Velocity Girl
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