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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: MELVINS!!!
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:43:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.001420.13833@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (CRAZY NUTTY CRAZY) writes:
>What?!?!  I browse through the posts and not a single one about
>the Melvins?!?!  Oh well.. can anyone out there confirm this
>rumor I heard they their next offering is coming out on a major
>label?
>							Dave
>p.s.
>For King Buzzo and group it
>has been a long time coming
>

   Yup. On Atlantic.  Though I THINK they might have one more release
  left on Boner, but I could be wrong.

                                                       K!z!K
From: reddog@sage.cc.purdue.edu (RedDog)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: MCRAD
Summary: Looking for anything by or address for
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:30:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I have desperately been looking for any material by MCRAD
for the last couple of years...

Is there anyone that can give me an address to get any of
their stuff?

Anything would be cool...thanks.

RedDog
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: Glenn Danzig singer of the Youth Brigade ??
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:03:57 GMT

In article <hurd.721965189@sfu.ca> hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
>kaneda@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (sebastiano ietti 310968if) writes:
>

>Hmm, I'm a bit of a hardcore person and have never heard this Glenn
>Danzig of which you speak, sing.

Glenn Danzig was lead singer in the Misfits, Samhain, and is currently
lead in Danzig.
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From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: FEAR is on tour..
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:07:11 GMT

fear is back on tour... so, thank you fuck you thank you fuck you..

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6o25@sdf.lonestar.org - "Put in a quarter and play road rally." - Descendents
From: rzsj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Operation Ivy
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:21:58 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Cornell University

In article <92327.023046TH5733A@auvm.american.edu>,
Thomas G. Hopkins <TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> writes: 
> not to be a jerk or picky, but hey operation ivy was a punk band.
> 
>                                                    tom eunuch

You could hardly call Op Ivy a purely punk band, they could just as well be
called ska, but what I would call them was a blend of both, niether of which
is hardcore, which is what this list is supposed to be about.
From: dbucher@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Bucher)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: DownCast
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:39:31 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov17.025541.13828@ncsu.edu> tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY) writes:
>
>In article <ares.285a@terapin.com>, ares@terapin.com (Ted Mazzoli) writes:
>> BTW, anyone know any of the groups that Dan O'Mahony has been in, besides 411 ?
> 
>I think Dan O'Mahoney was in Carry Nation. I haven't heard them, but I love 411.
>
>TOMASS

Have you all so soon forgotten No For An Answer? 

Related News Flash: Dan O' is living in Berkeley. Be on the lookout 
for a possible new band with him fronting again...that's all I can say....

-Dan (bucher, not o'mahoney!)

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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: DownCast
Originator: tphailey@c00007-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:41:03 GMT


>I admit i have had my head in a hole for awhile, but what is all this about 411
>breaking up? When did this happen?
>And does anyone know of the name of Jawbreakers albums besideUNFUN  ?

I don't know when 411 broke up, that's just what I heard.

Jawbreaker has a new one out that I recieved as I was sitting here. No shit, 
my friend Charlie just brought it by and I paid him for it. He says it's cool
and he has pretty infallable taste. The name of the album is Bivouac. They 
also have an 12" ep out called "Chesterfield King". They have other stuff, 
but I don't want to go into it because I wanna finish reading and listen to
the new album. :)

Shield Your Eyes

TOMASS
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:03:07 EST
From: Thomas G. Hopkins <TH5733A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Zine

I put out a zine.
From: mcsdc1gm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: COITUS DIABOLUS!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:30:06 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology





              HI ANYBODY WANT TO HEAR STUFF BY
 
                 COITUS DIABOLUS

              SO FAR WE HAVE ONE DEMO AVAILABLE
               'TO BED WITH THE DEVIL'
              9 SONGS(?) THAT ARE KIND OF INDUSTRIAL/HARDCORE
              TYPE THING
              SOUND QUALITY ISN'T THE BEST IN THE WORLD
              THE SOUND ONLY COMES OUT OF ONE SPEAKER FOR SOME
              STRANGE REASON.
              ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET THIS IS SEND A TAPE
              AND RETURN POSTAGE TO THE ADDRESS AT THE END
              AND IN ABOUT A WEEK YOULL BE ENJOYING THE
              NOISE.

              WE ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO START DOING SOME NEW STUFF
              SOON.IM CURRENTLY WRITING/FORMULATING GUITAR AND
              SAMPLES FOR IT.
              WE'RE PLANNING ON USING MORE SAMPLES/TAPE LOOPS/EFFECTS
              THIS TIME AS WELL AS GASP VOCALS!!! WHICH WE DIDN'T
              USE BEFORE CUZ THE LYRICS/VOCALS WE HAD DIDNT FIT IN
              PLUS WE WERE TOO EMBARASED ANYWAY.
              HERES THE ADDRESS:
                 GRAHAM
                 ENZK ZINE
                 23 LINDEN AVENUE
                 NEWPORT ON TAY
                 FIFE
                 DD6 8DU
                 SCOTLAND.


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From: pogo@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Gual)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: upcoming WPI shows
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:09:31 GMT
Organization: Russell Street HardCore
Distribution: world
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Keywords: dig it man....

heres some upcoming show we will probably be having at WPI:

sometime in December (i think the 12th):
	the Swirilies/Spore

other stuff that is coming for next semester:

	Velocity Girl. maybe Think Tree. maybe ThunderCock.
	maybe a hardcore night (if I can pressure them into it)
	probably a local band night or two (WPI bands)
	
other neat shit for this weekend:

	Tonight:

	The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Assumption College $5
	Think Tree, Paradise (Boston), $??

gah i dont know....
the neat thing about the shows they have here is that they are cheap
($1 for students/ $2 for off campus people) and we rarely sell out... 

pogosity



Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: arebold@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Sex Pistols/Ramones
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 NOV 92 19:38:40 GMT

WHAT about the Sex Pistols and the Ramones?!
From: viikari@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Cruz sale
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:58:31 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland


aumentad@girtab.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER) writes:
> 
> for anyone interested there's a CRUZ sale goin on everywhere in case you didn't know already.
> you can fill up on some ALL or CHEMICAL PEOPLE for real cheap.

	Where can I buy these cheapos?
		-t-
From: rusty@ema.rockwell.com (Rusty Eddy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Punk Rock TV
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:34:32 GMT
Organization: Rockwell International

nikos@bnr.ca (Nikos Mouat) writes:

>     That particular show was filmed almost entirely at my high school 
>(Point Grey for anybody who cares), it was kind of funny to see your school on 
>TV.

yea, i know i used to see my school on the news quite a bit.  typically
gang realted stuff.  B-).


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- rusty

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Bagel: Sugar free donuts, a hackers health food.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:22:24 EST
From: Thomas G. Hopkins <TH5733A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Screeching Weasel

yes. they are. new album in january on lookout. called wiggle.

tom eunuch
From: heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Dan from 411
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:57:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

lint@leland.Stanford.EDU (Graham Spencer (NOUid 0091)) writes:

>In article <ares.285a@terapin.com> ares@terapin.com (Ted Mazzoli) writes:

> > BTW, anyone know any of the groups that Dan O'Mahony has been in,
> > besides 411 ?

>Dan was in No For An Answer, a great band with an LP on Hawker
>Records. After NFAA, he was in Voicebox and Carry Nation. I've never
>heard Voicebox, but I really like the Carry Nation 7" on Workshed.
>There's also a Carry Nation track on some compilation 7" (by
>Nemesis? I can't remember).

No For An Answer released a 7" on Revelation and an Lp titled "A Thought
Crusade" on Hawker.  Both are rad.  The Carry Nation track ("Temple Walls")
if I'm not mistaken was on the East Meets West 1990 hardcore compilation.
All his bands have been rad as hell!

-Juergen
Organization: University/Publications & Printing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:24:39 -0500 
From: "Daniel E. Tyson" <dt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Wayside?

Could someone post the Wayside address and possible phone number? I'd
like to get the latest catalog!
Thanks
Dan
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers)
Subject: Re: New Crimso Box Out!!!!
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:48:58 GMT

In article <Bxu04E.GCE@world.std.com> fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) writes:
>I just picked up the new Crimso Box Today, to make you all Jealous...
>
>It is concentrated entirely on the 73-74 years, and is all live.
>the recording qulaity is excellent, compared to the slipshod
>recordings of the bootlegs of that era. I won't go into a track
>listing, but I'll give the essential details..
>

AIEEEE!!!!   No track listings!?
 
Do we have to beg?
From: stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re:New King Crimson live set?
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:16:03 GMT
Organization: IRIT-UPS, Toulouse, France

>>Could anybody say when the new King Crimson live box (or double album,
>>or whatever it is) is coming out in the UK?
>>
>>Graham Nelson (Oxford)

  Excuse me. Are you talking about the box with 4 CDs called "The Essence of..."
???? Because this one is sold in UK for months. There is only ONE CD of the four
that is live. It costs 54 pounds in London.

Nilo.
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From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: Re: Is progressive late 20th century classical?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:20:41 GMT



Classical music forms it's own aristocracy, hierarchy, historical libraries
universities, and century old institutions for the preservation of it's
pyramids, icons, religion and tastes.  To think that rock music might
someday make contributions to the literature and history of a comparable
durable musical legacy is an interesting proposition.

There seems to be some movement to consider musical history in a broader
context than has been previously considered up until the present decades.
This has been spawned in part by the flood of information regarding
ethnic musics.  The establishment of ethnomusicology (despite it's foibles
) has led to the movement in England (and to a lesser degree elsewhere) the
serious consideration of 'popular music' and it's music subcultures.

Personally I welcome a future musicology that takes a more wholistic view of
the environment of which history existed (and exists) and developed from.
Being as most musical histories written before the 1970's seem to
unconsciously conspire a racist/elitist/class based concept of the
development of music.

If the current trends continue there is a good chance persons like Fripp,
Bruford and Eno might be considered in the linage of certain techniques,
influences and developments.  Although such consideration might diminish
thier mythic standing, by exposing the myriad influences from which they
sometimes arrogantly borrowed thier ingenious ideas.  The lessening of thier
originality in public eye though would be considerably offset by the wealth
of material that could be unearthed by the discussion of thier influences.

I'm not trying to be offensive here in stating that the claims of many
art-rock musicians originallity is often shallow.  Considering the nature of
the industry and the tenous nature of their careers they are more than
welcome to their enthusiastic self-advertisements.  But when people like Eno
are attributed the invention of 'Ambient Music' I feel that the public
consciousness is somewhat impoverished from the incredible careers of the
Futurists, Erik Satie and other ancestors of our age.
From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: What is Magma like?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:30:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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From what people have said this group sounds pretty interesting.
I would like to know more about them...what they sound like, a good
album to start with, etc.  Thanks in advance!

Rob

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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:05:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.093701.20539@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.001819.5396@timesink.chi.il.us> mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec) writes:
>>I disagree... I think Gabriel's material since is absolutely brilliant.
>>I also think that the two albums after the Lamb... (A Trick of the Tail
>>and Wind and Wuthering) are very good and still have a very progressive
>>and arty feel to them.
>
>True,   but  you  forgot  to  mention  that  the  two  Genesis  albums  are
>incredibly  dull  and  lifeless and probably gathering dust on your shelves
>right now:-)
>
Hmmmm... yes I haven't played them recently. I overplayed them terribly
until the mid-eighties and now... well, there are more interesting
things to listen to... I find I play _Selling England..._ more than any
other older Genesis record...

>I like some of Gabriel's solo work but he is patchy.
>
I dunno... I like it all. Some is more raw than others. _US_ is great.

>>Then Steve Hackett (the lead guitarist) left and
>>then there were three... (-8  Thus begins the move by Phil Collins to
>>creatively dominate the group and cash in/sell out to the tune of
>>millions of dollars.
>
>Agreed.

Have you checked out Hackett's live album released this year?
It's called _Time Lapse_... it's all old stuff. Hope he'll tour
it in the States. I heard he was in Canada a few months ago, but
no news about playing Chicago anyway. Anyone else...?

>Michael Traub
>BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

- Mike

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From: manitp@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.)
Subject: Yes Keysman #SIX! / Yes starting point / Genesis Question
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:51:38 GMT

Hi;

Well, we've all established the knowledge that Tony Kaye, Rick Wakeman,
Geoff Downes, Patrick Moraz, and Eddie Jobson were all members of Yes
at some point.......  BUT GUESS WHAT?  I seem to recall, very
distinctly in fact, that they had another keyboardist circa 1974
between Wakeman and Moraz.  I guess he didn't fit the chemistry and he
left a couple weeks after he joined.  I can't recall exactly where i
heard/read this, bu I think it might have been some rock encyclopedia
type book like "Rock On"  (this of course means that it is unquestionably
accurate right???  ;}   )

Also- good staring point for listening to Yes music.........  The band
seems to think that their best works were the Yes Album, Fragile, Close
to the Edge,  Going For the One (lousy cover art aside-), and 90125. 
Oddly enough, Classic Yes contains music from the first four of those
albums.  Even more oddly, I really agree with the band that those are
their best!  (Except for ABWH- my personal favorite, but that wasn't
technically a Yes album....)  

Now about Genesis......  As with all great prog bands that went
semi-commercial in the '80's, the only Genesis stuff that gets radio-play
is the stuff that is 10 years old or less.  And I really think newer
Genesis SUCKS THE BIG BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  In fact, I DESPISE their last
three albums.  When I first heard that Genesis was considered a
progressive band, I wondered if there was another band with the same
name.  Then it occurred to me, that if al I had to go on was Owner of a
Lonely Heart, Rhythm of Love, Love Will Find a Way,  Saving My Heart, and
Lift Me Up, I would wonder how anybody could consider Yes progressive
too.  Luckily, I had the good fortune of being exposed to other stuff
by Yes.  Unfortunately,  I have never heard anything by Genesis that I
would remotely consider progressive.  But considering all I've been
hearing about them lately, I think their old stuff is something I might
like to give a try.  Somebody, anybody please post analyses, reviews,
recommendations IN DETAIL of pre-"That's All" Genesis!!!!

-- 
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:50:42 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
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Subject: Re: THE CURE
 <Bxy17v.LvC@unix.amherst.edu>

Slainte mhath is a Gaelic toast meaning "to your health"

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: tim@introl.com (Tim Chase)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells II
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:12:36 -0600
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In article <rzlq7mp@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>martino@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:
>
>> What were peoples reactions here?  Does everyone agree it is better than
>> the original TB? 
>
>'TBII' is a perfectly fine album taken on its own, but given the existance
>of the original 'Tubular Bells' there isn't much reason for it, is there?
>It makes an interesting companion piece and sounds nice but adds very
>little to the themes explored in the original.  I'm much more interested

Other than being recorded much better and expressing the original
themes with greater clarity and vigor I guess there's no reason for it
at all.  How's that for an opinion?  I won't be listening to TB I too
much any more (not that I was a great fan of it to begin with).

>in hearing what he's going to do next.

Me too.

Anti-flame disclaimer:  I'm a big fan of Mike Oldfield.  One of my
all-time favorite albums is his _Amarok_.  I've got all of his easily
obtained material but never was a huge fan of TB.  I think it may have
been it's rather tinny subdued sound that kept me from appreciating it
more.  I also like _Ommadawn_ and _Discovery_ quite a bit.  Hopefully,
in the future, he can come up with something as strikingly different,
and outstandingly recorded as _Amarok_.


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From: stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: re: King Crimson Beginner
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:47:00 GMT
Organization: IRIT-UPS, Toulouse, France

Bjorn Lisper writes:


>>Starless and Bible Black (1974)...
>
>Me too! "Fracture" is one of the best pieces of music I know.

Exactly...

>>Red (1974) A bit of a let-down, although it ...
>
>I wouldn't call this album a letdown. I think it is on par with SaBB.

Exactly...

>>There's also a (not very good) live album from this period called 'USA', but
>>it's been deleted and I've not heard it.
>
>Delete "not" in "not very good". I think this album was the perfect
>conclusion of this incarnation of KC. The live version of "Larks'
>Tongues..." which opens the album is great and it also has very good live
>versions of "Lament", "Easy Money" etc. (And: a third version of "25th
>Century Schizoid Man", as distorted as usual.) Too bad it was deleted.>

Exactly, but you've forgotten "Asbury Park", a really remarkable song that shows
up only in "USA", that even for Fripp (as somebody has told that he hated the 
album) was a good song, since it is in the live record of "Essence of..."

Bjorn! You are a really reasonable person. I agree with you on every comment
you've made.

Nilo.
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