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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Restricted Protein/Phosphorus Diet For Dogs
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:41:36 GMT

There was a recent discussion about "homemade" dog food for dogs with
Renal function problems...sorry I can't find the original post, but here is
a "recipe" that can be used for dogs that are on a restricted Protein and
Phosphorus Diet. (reprinted from the Cornell University College of
Veterinary Medicine Animal Health Newsletter, May 1992).  This is taken
from a very long article on Chronic Renal Failure in Cats and Dogs...if
there is enough interest in the article, I will go ahead and type it in and

post it.

RESTRICTED PROTEIN/PHOSPHORUS DIET FOR DOGS

- 1/4 lb ground beef (regular)*        
- 1 large egg, hard-cooked                
- 2 cups cooked rice without salt
- 3 slices white bread, crumbled
- 1 t. Calcium Carbonate
- Balanced supplement that fulfills the Canine MDR 
     for all vitamins and trace minerals

Braise the meat, retaining fat.  Combine all ingredients
and mix well.  This mixture will be somewhat dry, the 
palatability can be improved by adding water (not milk !).
Yields: 1.25 lbs

* Beef used should not be lean ground round or chuck.


Hope this helps whoever was looking for it !!

Kathy
-----------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: alexa@uts.amdahl.com (Alexander Arellano)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RCA dog breed?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:31:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Greetings,

My wife has totally fallen in love with the RCA dog.
I have tried looking for this dog in books at the local
library without any luck, sorry I am not very dog-literate
and none of the pictures seem to even closely match.
Is this dog a mix?  Any info is greatly appreciated.

May I be one of the first to offer:

Season Greetings!


------------------
Alexander Arellano              "I think a little Bohemian Rhapsody is in order."
alexa@uts.amdahl.com            - Wayne Cambell
From: AWP00JTF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Please help: cancer and pet Yorkie (long)
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:44:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: UNCCVM.168A7A53B.AWP00JTF
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In article <By4Dry.BM@news.iastate.edu>
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott) writes:
 
>I am posting this for my mother-in-law (mil) to whom I have mentioned the
>net so much that she now asked me to post about her problem to you
>all and get your advice.
>
First of all, I sympathize with you and your mil.  I think the dog should
have the surgery.  Although the cancer seems to have spread, maybe they can
still get it all.  I just look at my dog and know that I would want to
do whatever I could to help him - or at least make his final days as com-
fortable as possible.  After all, look at all he has given me over the
years.  (He is 8 also and I love him so much).
I
I would also consider taking the dog to another vet hopefully one that
is better able to deal with the problem - I don't think a second opinion
would hurt in any event.
 
It's a tough call when our animals get sick - we had to let our female
go this past summer - but I think the bottom line is that we have to
put our feelings aside and do what is best for the dog.  That is our
responsibility and they trust us to do it - and it is difficult.
 
I wish you and your mil the best - Judy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:50:08 GMT

In article <9211181711.AA2079@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
> > >  Your old dog sounds very sick.  It's probably cancer.  Maybe
> > >advanced liver disease.  You can consider putting the dog down,
> > >although it doesn't sound like he is going to live much longer on
>his
> > >own.
> > 
> > Geez lady.  You are so full of empathy.  Between this post
> > and the the 
> > postregarding the woman whose dog had kidney failure, you're
> > quite 
> > something -- helpful, kind and considerate. 
> > NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > --- rfmail 1.1.J
> >  * Origin: Orphan Board West  fido <-> unix gateway
> > (1:202/723)
>  Actually, I am quite empathetic.  I just don't believe in giving
>people false hope.  I believe it is far more cruel to lead someone to
>think their fatally ill pets are going to make some miracle recovery. 
>
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)


Empathy is one thing.  Making wild guesses as to the cause of an illness
with no medical background (I assume) over the net is something else.  
Telling people to put their dog down and suggesting cancer or liver trouble
here and there is not only insensitive, but certainly not very helpful.

It has nothing to do with giving someone false hope.  It has everything to
do with giving people faulty advice.

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
From: st1pt@Elroy.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re :huskies & training
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:24:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1edqnpINNf06
Reply-To: st1pt@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who posted or mailed me
info about helping the couple with the husky(whose vet said it
couldn't be obedience trained).  I've tried to reply personally,
but I've been real busy with school and also having problems with the
mail. So anyway thanks to all! I snail-mailed some info to them (hope
they read it!)

Thanks for everyone's helpfulness!!

Amy Shinpaugh
st1pt@jetson.uh.edu
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:30:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey) says:

>My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
>a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
>dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
>as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
>house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
>won't be a problem. What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky,
>and Alaskan Malamute.
>
>Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
>Amoco Production Company
>Houston, Texas
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>
All three of those breeds are pretty heavy shedders, in my opinion.

I would like to offer youosme other suggestions.  For minimal shedding,
nice size, good watchdog (lousy guard dog though! <g>) you might want to
consider a standard poodle.  I know several and they are really great dogs.

Another thought for you is to consider any number of the larger terrier
breeds like Airedales, Kerry Blue, Soft Coated Wheatens.  I have an
Airedale and I don't think that you can find a more joyful breed.  The
shedding is minimal and they are very bright dogs.  Of course, I am biased!

<grin>

Gail Brookhart and her dogs
	Toby, male Airedale Terrier
	Casey, female Bouvier des Flandres

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: best food for dog on diet
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:32:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.223427.18052@linus.mitre.org> pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
>my siberian was neutered in april 1992 and has developed a fierce appetite for

Neutering will not affect appetite.

>dog food.  He has also been found eating cat food and scolded.  His weight
>has gone from a suitable 53 pounds to 76 pounds since the summer.   Some of
>the problem was that he was on steriods for allergies and that does increase
>his appetite.  He is also a bit more confined due to his insistance on breaking
>out of a fenced in yard.  He now has a smaller fenced area under our deck and
>also has access to the deck but he is not running as he once was.  When he
>dug out of our yard he presumably ran miles.  So considering he is more 
>contained, what can we do to get his figure back? He is 5 1/2 years old and

This dog is bored.  Siberians are a working breed, and when bored, will invent
all sorts of inappropriate activities to amuse themselves.  They need something
to do.  Long walks and biking (with a Springer device) are great ways to provide 
exercise.  It is easy to get the dog's "figure" back.  More exercise and better 
control of diet.  Not only will you have a helathier, happier dog, but you will 
find that the dog is less apt to become an escape artist.

>eats 4 cups of dry food a day.  The dog food bag says to feed more but he
>has always done fine with 4 cups/day.  What kind of diet food is recommended 
>and in what quantity?  Thanks in advance. 

Recomendations on dog food bags are just that -- recomendations.  One should select
ammount and type of dog food based on the individual dog.  In fact, to be perfectly
honest, I know of no one that uses the recomendation on the dog food to dicate how
much food a dog gets.  In your case, I would cut back on the food slightly and increase 
the exercise dramatically and see where the dog is after two or three weeks.

If you would like to talk more about your dog, or need more fun exercise type
suggestions, please feel free to e-mail me.

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: best food for dog on diet
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:42:07 GMT

In article <9211150138.AA2057@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  When you find the secret to maintaining weight, tell us.  It's just

This is easy.  Properly balanced diet and exercise.

>one of those painful facts of life that after neutering, animals gain
>weight.  

Nope.  This is a myth.  There is no correlation between neutering and weight
gain.

>Certainly, he won't like it when you cut down on his food,
>but you will have to to get his weight down.  

Stike a balance between proper diet AND exercise.  THe dog will be healthier and
happier for it.

> Sled dogs are made to excersize hard on relatively little food.

Huh?  As with all working dogs, and all healthy dogs for that matter, a proper
balance is struck between food intake and work or play.  Sled dogs are usually
fed an extreemly dense food (dense in the sense of nutrition), so it may appear
that they are not getting much food in terms of volume, but they are getting
plenty in terms of nutrition, which is most important.


>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: LICE
From: arowe@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:20:40 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

My dog was just diagnosed with doggy lice.  I looked through the faq on fleas
and ticks but no mention was made of lice.  The vet gave me a flea shampoo to
use on her but my question is how did she get it in the first place? And how do
I ensure that she stays lice-free?

Any advice and answers appreciated.

By the way humans cannot get lice from their dogs.  The vet was quick to point
this out to me!



Anita Rowe
AROWE@MTROYAL.AB.CA
From: U30993@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: shelter puppies
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:50:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.195007U30993
 <64640007@hpcss01.cup.hp.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

The breeder is right to be concerned. When I worked in an enormous
kennel (all beagles), they had problems with diseases spreading
from one kennel to another. This was especially severe when bitches
were whelping. Brucellosis spread like wildfire, and during the
Parvo epidemic, we lost close to a hundred dogs a day for two weeks.

In these cases, they had pans outside the door for us to step in
with disinfectant.  I have to admit, I thought they could have done
more to stop the spreading of the diseases, especially with the medical
instruments being used from dog to dog...  In any case, while the
breeder MAY be being overly cautious, I'd abide by her rules,
all the way down to taking a shower before coming over, just to
be absolutely certain.  If you want to read a really sad story,
take a peek at A. Terhune's book. (I forget the title) He mentions
passing a car with mother, father, and children in them and being
told (either by them or by his workmen) that the family had said,
"Oh, we've seen four or five other kennels but this is the best one!
He had distemper and lost something like 50%? of his kennel.
From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Rottweilers for search & rescue
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:36:34 GMT

In article <1647@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> 
	mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:

>Michael: If you think that Rotts are too big for SAR, what about
>Newfoundlands? The Black Paws Search & Rescue organization in Montana has been
>turning out trained SAR Newfs for the last 3 years. And from what I've read,
>there isn't a better breed for avalanche or drowned victims locating. Newfs -
>and Rotts - might have a hard time negotiating tiny crawl spaces after an
>earthquake, but I can't think of any other outdoor setting where a big,
>trained, highly motivated dog wouldn't excell.

Newfs excel at water rescue.  But Wilderness rescue, which involves great
distances, flying in helicopters, etc. just doesn't favor large breeds.

GSDs are far and away the best avalanche dogs.  For disaster search and
rescue, you are working mostly with a dog's prey drive, so you need a
dog that's been bred for it -- one reason why collies, in general, don't
do well at S&R.

There are always individual dogs that do well at certain tasks -- but
Rotts and Newfs can't trot at 12 mph all day.

-- 
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Michael Sierchio                          1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123 |
|  kudzu@netcom.com                                Berkeley, CA 94707-2116 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: American Kennel Club Titles FAQ
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:24:41 GMT

In article <168A18DAB.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
=  
= Do you think we can start including titles from other organizations
= besides the AKC in this FAQ?  Since my intrests lie in hunting tests,
= I would like to see UKC and NAHRA hunting test titles lists.
= I would be that the Rott & GSD set would like Sch. titles listed.
= The versitle hunting dog people would like the Versitile Hunting
= titles (I don't know the organization) or the Shoot to Retrieve

NAVHDA--North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association

= titles.  I'm sure that there's probably dozens of others that I didn't
= list that people might be intrested in knowing about.

And don't forget The American Field.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Afghan Hounds & Lure Coursing
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:28:10 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcserv.wustl.edu
Keywords: Afghans Lure Coursing

I have two male Afghan Hounds ages 2 and 2 1/2. I am 
interested in getting into lure coursing with one or
both of them. How difficult is it to get started in 
luring? One of them will only come when called when HE
feels like. Pretty typical, huh? I realize that we will have
to fix this little problem first. I think I would prefer
coursing with him (except for this little problem).
Are there any coursing groups near St. Louis? 
Anyone with coursing stories, beginners advice, etc.
I'd love to hear from you. Email or post.
Thanks,
     Jeff Seale     jeff@grserv.wustl.edu


From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:01:39 GMT
Subject: Flyball events?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs


Does anyone know how to find out when and where Flyball events are held?
I have never seen this game, and it sounds like great fun.  For those of
you who have never heard of it, here's what I know... it is a game where
teams of dogs (I think it's 4 per team) compete against each other in a
relay-type of race.  Dog 1 on each team is released, runs over a bunch of
hurdles or jumps, triggers a mechanism that sends a ball flying into the air,
catches the ball, and runs back.  Then Dog 2 gets to go.  The team to finish
first wins.  

I have heard of this mostly in the context of a spectator event, but have
never seen it offered in the Calif. Bay Area.... 

Thanks in advance,

Diane
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 19:29:52 CST
From: <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dirty Paws/Dog Booties

Many dogs have been trained to wait by the back door until someone
comes to wipe off their feet. Some even do this themselves. I
would guess you would say "Wipe" and drag the dog's feet across
a piece of astroturf or something of the sort. Alternatively,
why not place a flat tray of water near the door and dip the dog's
feet in the tray, then wipe off with towel....
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Subject: Re: More Wolf Hybrid Opinions
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:00:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.213126.5402@pmafire.inel.gov>, bev@pmafire.inel.gov (Beverly Novak) writes:
|> Finally some one who wrote a possitive post about hybyrds.  Mine is
|> great.  I was getting so sick of every one telling me my beautifull pet
|> should never be a pet.
|> 
|> Bev Novak
|> bev@pmafire.inel.gov

I agree, mine is the best companion animal I have ever had. But why bother
to argue with those people who 'know it all'. 
-- 
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Looking for Beagles in New England
Keywords: Beagles, Breeders
	<3933@hpwala.wal.hp.com>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:46:34 -0400

In <3933@hpwala.wal.hp.com>, Greg Anderson writes:
>
>Anyway, any help towards finding any Beagle breeders, professional or
>otherwise, in any of the New England states would be most appreciated.

there is a group in new england called "purebred breeder referral service",
which can help with breeder referrals.  they take turns being the contact
of the month, so i can't give a number, but they have an ad each week in
the pets for sale column of the boston globe.

mail me if you can't get a globe and ill look it up for you.
s
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Rabbit worry
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:25:03 GMT


Hi, all. Just wanted to run a few questions past you for reassurance and/or
advice.

My rabbit Frankie has recently begun to lose hair all over the place. He shed
a couple of months ago pretty thoroughly, then quit. Is he just shedding again,
and will this happen several times a year? Or should I worry? He seems to be
eating, and he was recently neutered -- could that be related? I'm feeding him
papaya and petromalt with his food to keep him from mats. Is it seasonal? It
made sense before because the weather was hot, but it seems weird for him to
be shedding as it gets colder. He looks a little ragged, but I don't notice any
real bald spots (although there are places where the fur seems very short and
fine). Am I completely overreacting? 

Also, he seems rather lazy lately. He hops around some, but not as much as he
has. Mostly he snoozes and lays around. I wonder again if this is seasonal --
anyone know? I've thought about trying to play with him, but he seems to get
annoyed when I do, and just runs under some furniture. I'm thinking he may 
just be bored and am considering getting a second rabbit for him to play with.
Does that sound like a good idea, or should I be more concerned? I still don't
really know how to play with him -- any ideas, or should I just leave him be?
He's never been tremendously interactive, so it's not totally out of character.
He hasn't been too interested in many toys I've tried to give him; he sometimes
likes to throw cups and push around a shawl on the floor, but that's about it.

Thanks for any advice and ideas!

Marty


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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Subject: Re: Fierce gerbil!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:27:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.040333.19090@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robin J Nakkula) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.133045.44870@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jwg0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
(JOHN WALTER GEWARTOWSKI) writes:
>>
>>Maybe it has rabies.
>>
>>Find a friend with a snake.
>>-- 

>Rodents don't carry rabies.

>I've known rats that turn crazed and vicious when kept all alone in a cage.
>The problem with gerbils is that they are known to go through an age during
>puberty when they "marry," and will not accept any other gerbils in their
>cage than the ones with them at that time, for the rest of their lives.

I agree with the puberty theory.  Sounds like you've got a sexually
frustrated gerbil.  Get the horny little bastard a mate.

Cary Czichon
czichon@csc.ti.com