HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Cobra Link Chains- Worthwhile?
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Dec23.013730.8385@twg.com>, oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg) writes:

| Is it also worthwhile to haul these 20lbs of chain
| in the saddlebag on a trip, or will a Kryptonite bar
| be enough?

| P.S. - my present ins. co. won't ensure my H-D for
| theft unless I have my own garage.  Change insurers
| and fork out the bucks?

  Insurance companies are out to make bucks. Your company doesn't want
to touch theft on a bike unless it's in a garage. What does that tell
you about chains and locks?

  If you want the money, change companies and get coverage. If you want
the bike, change your storage arrangements.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
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From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hotsenhander Holdergrippen (was Re: water-proofing gloves)
Keywords: ROT26, Typodermic riddles
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:24:25 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:

>Heated grips.
>I've read before of the wonders of these, uh, wonders here, uh, before. But 
>every time someone mentions how, um, wonderful heated grips are, it seems 
>that they are on one of those weird Bavarian things.  Can the rest of the 
>world refit BMW heated grips on their favorite Asian rubber shredder?  Do you
>have to speak German to buy them?  Does anyone else make heated grips, maybe
>in a language I know?

Try the inexpensive ($25-$30) snowmobile type.  They're a thin sheet with
heating elements that look like wide circuit board traces.  Use compressed
air to pull the grips off, wrap the heaters on, use the compressed air to
put the old grips back on, and wire 'em up.  They work great, and are about
1/4th the cost of the BMW units, which, incidently, only come in one shape
and one color (dull grey).
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: ZX11 For sale, Ft. Worth, Texas
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:59:39 GMT

My brother is selling a '92 ZX11, only 550 miles on it. Price is
$7,000. Call him at (817) 577-0714. Hurry, 'cause he's offering it to me for 
less, and I don't know how long I can resist.

 - Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Front Tire Off Ground
	<LOTTO.92Dec25075222@laura.harvard.edu>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:09:21

"lotto" == Jerry Lotto <lotto@laura.harvard.edu> writes:
lotto> WHAT center stand?

get a real bike and you'll find out *what* centerstand...

yeesh.

'course, I haven't seen too much as funny as watching folks w/o
centerstands oil their chains.
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWMOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: I'm gonna git me that bra!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:58:27 GMT

laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:

>me  ($53)

Enough of this nickle-and-dime shit!  $55.  I leave for Japan (forever
- *sniff* :) in 5 weeks and this seems like a perfect reminder of why
America, Usenet, and the DoD are great.

ObMOTO:  I will be Bikeless for possibly as long as a year until I can
afford my first NSR250R.  If anyone in Japan would like to lend me one
(preferably the SP model), I'd be happy to terrorize the Japanese
citizenry..  It'd be just like old times.  I wouldn't mind borrowing a
Goose 350, Xelvis, TZR, or CBR400RR if anyone wants to let me, either. :)

(``what's that officer?  sorry, I don't speak Japanese and can't read
all those silly signs written in Japanese, either.'' Maybe Japan won't
be so bad after all. Bahahaha!)
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
From: marrevola@rediris.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ZX-11, transmission
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:24:22 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <948@rider.UUCP>, joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
> my phone conversation went like this:
> 
> [lots of 'it's not our problem retoric' from the rep]
> 
> rep: "in rare cases there have been problems with second gear, but
>       in those cases the bike has been abused or raced."
> 
> me: "so basically I'm guilty until proven innocent?"
> 
> rep: "yes."
> 
> that's word for word.
> 
> you will have to let the dealer tear your bike apart and inspect it. at this
> time they'll make their descision (keep in mind, THEY *WILL* LOSE MONEY ON
> THIS, this direct from the kawasaki factory rep). if they decide not to,
> they'll be happy to reassemble your bike for a few hundred bucks (after you
> pay them the few hundred for tearing it down of course).
> 
> the determining factor the dealer will use is to check for a bent shift fork.
> according to the kawasaki rep if the shift fork is bent, no warranty, your
> problem.
> 
> so you'll have a better understanding of what position this places you in,
> I'll add a little more detail. this particular failure is caused by the
> edges of the little tabs on the gears rounding off. eventually they round
> off to the point where the normal force of acceleration causes them to
> push away from each other rather than holding together. this starts out

> ..... more stuff ......
> 
> if you find yourself having similar trouble, let me know. I would gladly
> join any efforts to bad mouth kawasaki in the media or any other forum.
> 
> -- 
> Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org           aDoF#?                Austin, TX
> 
>     'When I asked Unix he wizards.' -- Jerry Dunham



GLUPS!!!!!
-- 
Manuel Arrevola Velasco   ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||
ZX-11 ('91)
DR-600-S           
DoD #1033

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:15:53 GMT

In <1759@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:

>	I've been accused of alot of things; polite, intorverted, other
>	things I'd rather not say, but never cute.

	There's a first time for everything.  Relax; you're still young
and have a fairly long time ahead of you to be accused of many things.
I'll accuse you of having a wimpy mailer, but I don't know if it was
you that my mail bounced to.  Naturally, this accusation is best
recieved from Lazlo, but I digress...

>	well, lets see I've been reading since about last July. I think
>	I've flamed one or two people...(I am generally pretty quiet
>	about such things...I uped the ante to someone about my kilt
>	having more init than his drawers (but I think that got cought
>	by my system administrator...). I was a Physics major but
>	decided I hated lots of Math...                 

>			well???

	You forgot the large cash contributions to the Get a Bike, Ed!
fund, and then there's the initiation rites to be performed.  Are there
any llamas in your area?  You see, some night, when you least expect it,
several Denizens will...  Well, I'd better not say or it will ruin the
suprise, though I really liked the part with the Yak and the Metzeler,
and I suspect you will too.

	Besides, now is not a good time to ask.  Many members of the
New Members Selection Committee live in the northern climes, and since
it's only twelve degrees out and the roads all have 2" of ice on them,
we're not inclined to be lenient with a person living where it's warm.

	Now then, it really is all in the FAQ.  I'd tell you, but the
resulting deaths would disappoint the yak.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "Are you *SURE* he's worth a Harley-Davidson?" -- my grandmother  >
< to my girlfriend, about me.  "I'd better not say" -- my girlfriend >

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Daley expected to head DOT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.153629.25237@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>the last several years has been to get a third major airport in Chicago.
>The sites proposed so far have, at least in my humble opinion, completely
>ignored air safety issues and shown disregard bordering on contempt for
>general aviation in northeast Illinois/northern Indiana/southeast Wisconsin.
>If Brother Bill's in charge of the DOT, I expect to see this project
>moving forward much quicker.  Since the traffic they're trying to serve
>would be better handled by a high speed rail infrastructure in the midwest,
>the whole thing seems politically motivated.  But I guess Richie needs
>the airport to get customers into his casino, the other big pet project.
>
>I'd expect Bill Daley's effect on the future of motorcycling to be pretty
>neutral.
>

Another way *to* look at it is his brother is the mayor of one of the
top three political power/populated cities in the U.S. in a state that
does not have a helmet law. Not to mention a state that just elected the
first black female senator, who I might add is in favor of decriminalizing
marijuana use.
 
Not that I'd ever....ugh...forgot what I was saying.
 
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 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Bra auction for charity (was: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:58:52 GMT

In article <1h5n4vINNneu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>
>In a previous article, delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) says:
>
>>
>>I do not wish to be involved in this in any way, thank you
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Lisa DeLorme                            
>>delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu           
>
>
>	Aha - I a knew some of them would get embarassed sooner or later.
>Why would anybody be ashamed of having their hooter holder closely inspected
>by some biker goon they've never met?

You're assuming that the bidder never met the biddee, which isn't necessarily
the case in this group...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
                Celebrate the winter holiday of your choice by
                  offering your hand to someone who needs it.
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: International motorcycle tours
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:45:42 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <92356.165208RJAQUES@ESTEC.BITNET> RJAQUES@ESTEC.BITNET (Roy Jaques) writes:
>Done it many times...
>
>1. Get on bike and ride to docks
>2. Ride bike on ferry
>3. Enjoy nice ferry ride
>4. Ride bike off ferry in next country.
>
>This was when I lived in Britain. I now live in the Netherlands so I dont
>need to worry about the ferry crossing unless I have the misfortune to be
>going back to Britain. Hence on 24/12/92 the trip is Netherlands - Belgium -
>France then on the hovercraft to England. International trips - No Problem
>

Just nipping across the channel for the Belgian GP. Or Le Mans 24 Heures. Or
just to buy new parts for the Laverda. Well, you need some excuse...

Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
   Heard about the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul to Santa?
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:33:02 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage) writes:

> I remember taking out the policy on my bike and saying "Oh please make
> sure and include coverage which will insure me against someone sitting
> on my bike and injuring themselves without my knowledge."  I think
> NOT!  The attitude of Abby's response runs similar to that of the idea
> of pool owners having to surround their pool with fences so children
> or adults cannot TRESPASS onto the owners property and perhaps
> drown or sustain some other injury in the pool.  It seems as if it
> is always our responsibility for others stupidity. 
> I have never even heard of any requirement for motorcycle owners
> to carry such insurance as it probably does not exist.  
> 


Cool down, Dan. You probably already have such coverage. It's called 
liability insurance. 

And the courts have held for decades (centuries, probably) that you're 
legally responsible for taking reasonable steps to prevent children (who 
are not legally competent to make decisions) from access to an 
"attractive nuisance". 

A swimming pool, for example, constitutes such an "attractive nuisance", 
and if a kid falls in it because your yard or the pool isn't fenced, 
expect someone to pay a very hefty settlement. 

One of the bike magazzines had a discussion about this subject 10 or 12 
years ago, and pointed out, that legally, a motorcycle, with its chrome 
and shiny paint, may also constitute an attractive nuisance. If you park 
your recently ridden motorcycle, with its hot exhaust pipes in an area 
with a bunch of little kids playing, and one of them wanders over and 
burns his hands on your exhaust system, you COULD get sued over it. (I'm 
NOT saying you would, or that you SHOULD, but that it's possible.)

It's probably not fair, it's not nice, but it is a fact of life. Talk to 
any lawyer and see.


Lawsuit, n. A machine into which you go as a pig and come out of
            as a sausage. - Ambrose Bierce

Lawyer, n. One skilled in the circumvention of the law. - Ambrose Bierce


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | Why do Englishmen drink warm beer?
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | They all have Lucas refrigerators.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Active Noise Cancellation (was Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list))
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:03:40 GMT

jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

>In article <1992Dec20.070901.15754@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.232623.10342@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>|Uh, if you've got active noise cancelling, you already have 99% of
>>|a high quality intercom in place.  Wouldn't it be nice to talk to your
>>|pillion in a quiet voice at speed, with an intercom?
>>
>>No, because the high-quality microphone is missing.  The mic that picks
>>up the external sample-signal would be non-optimal for catching voice.

>Well, okay then, 85%....

>How about an active noise-cancelling exhaust system.  Then the loud-pipes
>crowd could selectively turn their bike farts on and off....

At least one car company has done this.  I think it was Lotus and they
did have it set up so it could be turned on and off (at least for testing
in the proto-type they showed).  Would be nice for bikes/helmuts.

   
 

>-- 
>Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
>jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
>                Celebrate the winter holiday of your choice by
>                  offering your hand to someone who needs it.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.autos.antique,ca.driving,rec.autos.driving
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Re: Cobra Link Chains- Worthwhile?
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:54:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.013730.8385@twg.com> oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg) writes:
>As I don't have the good fortune of having my own
>garage, I use a Cobra Link chain (6', 1" dia., $140)
>to secure my new scoot to a concrete post.
>
>I also have a "locked" cover and a fork lock. Now,
>the bike I own is in great demand by the unwashed
>and unscrupulous, so is it secure?  How good are the
>Cobra links?

	From personal experience, I have had two negative events
associated with the Cobra Links. The first was with their Jr. links.
The Link was securing my bike to a sign post when some idiot tipped
it. When I found it it had a chunk of metal torn from the receptive
joint, making locking the link from that entry useless, as you could
simply turn the tumblers around unitl one of them popped out of the
hole. The second was with my friend's FZR600 which he used the big
Cobra Link to secure to a post in my apartments garage. All the
theives did was to shatter one of the Cobra links and cut the inner
cable with a cable cutter. All he found were loose links and a cut
inner cable. Further test proved that a well timed blow to the links
themselves against a hard surface (like the post) easily fractured it.
The cable itself wasn't much of a deal either.

>BTW, a friend of mine has always secured his 900 Ninja
>with a Cobra and thieves have made at least 3 un-
>successful attempts (that I know of) over the last
>several years, so for him, it's worked out OK.

Of course, NYC tends to have more experienced thives.

>Is it also worthwhile to haul these 20lbs of chain
>in the saddlebag on a trip, or will a Kryptonite bar
>be enough?

	I'm going with the Abus Discus lock for the fork, and the
Krpytonite cable lock for the rear tire and/or anchoring.

>Signed,
>
>Paranoid.
>
>P.S. - my present ins. co. won't ensure my H-D for
>theft unless I have my own garage.  Change insurers
>and fork out the bucks?

	Change insurers. I have State Farm, and for full coverage in
NYC, it's only costing me $680 a year. A little high, but well worth
it. Of course, the additional $85 a month for a garage doesn't hurt.

Tony Wang
twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

DoD#0122	'89 Yamaha VX535 Virago 	(Gone)
AMA#450147	'85 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S	(Going)
HOG#0550903	'93 XLH-DX Sportster		(Ain't going nowhere)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ravi@bigmouth.x.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:39:53 GMT

In article <1723@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>		I would like to make a formal request for DoD
>		membership....
>
>					Ryan...
>
>	I've gone fast, I've dragged pegs and I've fallen.
>		What else do  I need to do???

	You have to hold your nose while pouring a can of 10W-40 oil
	over your head, and then ride naked through the streets of
	your town.  Then send the picture that appears on the front
	page of your local newspaper to the DoD KotL with a certified
	check for the price of Jodi's bra, and maybe ... just maybe
	then someone will propose you for membership.  

	And then, maybe not.


	peace,

	- ravi


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PS:  Just in case you have never seen this, here's a copy of the DoD FAQ:

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was: Helmets)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:41:42 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Dec21.173256.2367@progress.com> matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper) writes:
>
>  Why should it be the manufacturer's resonsibility to educate the
>consumer?
>
>  1) Because people are stupid.  If someone has never used a piece of equipment
>before it is not unreasonable to expect that the maker would outline the *basic*
>safe methods of using it.
>
>  Man buys ladder.  Safety labels say not to extend it farther than the last
>two rungs on the ladder.  Owner complies and everything is fine.  reasonable
>safety label expectation.
>
>  2) Because if they don't they'll be screwed like you indicate above.
>
>  Man's brother uses ladder to paint his barn.  Puts on foot of the ladder
>on a frozen cow pie.  As he works the sun melts the pie and the ladder falls
>over to one side.  Man breaks leg.  Man sues ladder company.  Man WINS!  Jury
>decided that the ladder company should have included a section about use on
>possible frozen ground in manual.  (This is a *true* story from here in MA).

Another case where just one warning would suffice: this device should not be
used by anyone stupid.

-- 
Chas                         DoD #7769

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"
                                               - Firesign Theatre
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: CA bike inspection
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:55:22 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: Look-See

In article <1992Dec29.235241.12884@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec29.150932.9896@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
|> >
|> >can someone clue me in as to what bike inspection in CA involves?  i'm
|> >wondering whether my bike (very non-stock FZR with louder-than-stock
|> >pipe) would be ok if i moved to CA.  
|> >...pretty much nobody cares.
|> >
|> >are there emissions tests for bikes?

|> P.S.
|> Now someone will describe how it is possible to bypass all this oppressive
|> red tape, etc.  I personally do not welcome any further motorcycle
|> related abuses to California, most especially loud pipes on a
|> boy racer which will convince every spud who hears and sees it

excuse me?  is this directed at me?  i would hardly call my pipe offensive.
my point was that if i run the bike for an inspector, he/she will probably
be able to tell it's not stock (although it is made by yamaha).

|> that I, when on my motorcycle, am an identical fool who does not
|> deserve the little road I occupy.  These spuds will thus be predisposed
|> to believe IIHS propaganda and go along with further idiotic legislation
|> written by other spuds who are equally unaware and uncaring of the 
|> vicissitudes of motorcycling.
|> 

don't tell me my pipe is too loud without hearing it and i won't tell you
not to ride a motorcycle.

axel