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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Diet Methods
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:27:16 GMT

In article <WVENABLE.92Nov10132030@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>>>>>> "Gopal" == Gopal Agrawal <gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu> writes:
>
>Gopal> Isn't a loss of more than 2 pounds a week considered dangerous ?
>
>And the contention underlying this question is just the kind of thing I
>mean.  How can one possibly give a sensible answer other than "maybe"?  Is
>
>How do these inane blanket global rules ever get started?  

I don't know ? I had recently started out with these Dexatrim capsules
(which I quit after reading about its bad side affects in this group) 
and a pamphlet in that said something to the effect of "increase 
your calorie intake if you experience a weight loss of more than 2 pounds 
a week else health complications can arise". I am no expert on nutrition 
and so I assumed that it might be an expert's advice. 

I would like to thank all those who cleared up the misconceptions of 
optimal weight loss/week. 

regards,
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From: teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:29:54 -0800
Organization: Hell's Little Breakfast Nook
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In article <WVENABLE.92Nov5130207@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:
>
>Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
>the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
>the bullet and go anyway?

i usually try to go when i don't think anyone i know will be there.  i know
that doesn't work for everyone!

Teri Tracey              "When people are free to do as they like, they
 San Diego, CA            generally imitate each other."                   
  teri@sdd.hp.com  
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: melshinn@agsm.ucla.edu (Maha El-Shinnawy)
Subject: weight watchers meetings info pls
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Distribution: na
Date: 8 Nov 92 08:57:03 PST

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Maha El-Shinnaw				| "Veni, Vidi, Vici"	
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating; Lunch
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:45:50 GMT

In article <BxMn84.5A@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>
>fruit. The one thing I do miss is sandwiches, I haven't figured out
>how to make an interesting nonfat sandwich. Keep in mind it also has
>to be vegan! What could I put on there, pickles and mustard is about
>all I canthink of. I'm not that crazy about salad stuff (lettuce,
>

Non-fat, vegan sandwich ideas?...Salsa may liven up a sandwich. Now a 
request...one of my favorite sandwiches is baba ganoush (sp?) on whole
wheat pita with assorted veggies (onions, sprouts, tomatoes).  But isn't
baba ganoush usually made with oil?  Does anyone have a non-fat recipe
for it?  I know it has roasted, pureed eggplant in it, but what else?
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:22:48 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <9342@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>I've been telling myself that walking shorter
>distances (1-3 miles) consistently is better than trying mini-marathons
>on the weekend 

I suspect that if you did short distances twice (or even three times) a 
day, you could increase your mileage without hurting yourself.  I do
3 miles 2x or 3x a day, but I suspect I'd be sore if I tried two 9
mile sessions in one weekend.  Of course, I'm the (other) person with
the hip problem, but I don't think it's related to the walking (I had
been doing 9 miles all summer without any problems).

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Inspiration
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:24:42 GMT

In article <BxMpF8.1Au@wrs.com>, jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
|> 
|> I guess this group is for us all to encourage each other in
|> our new healthstyles. (Well, I hate the word "diet," it conjures
|> up pictures of such hollow-eyed deprivation and sadness. Anyone
|> else have suggestions for a word for "eating better"?)
|> [snip'd]

How about Live-it (instead of Die-it)?

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)
Subject: Re: Double chin
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:17:16 GMT

In article <Bx9Hz0.180@world.std.com> glamkin@world.std.com (Gerald Lamkin) writes:
>I'm inthe midst of a successful weight watchers diet. I've lost 20 lbs
>with another 30 to go. The posblem is the double chin. It seems not to be
>affected by the diet. any suggestions??
>
It might be that you don't get rid of your double chin by dieting. (Also thin
persons can have a double chin). It depends on your age - if you are past 40
then you propably need a little operation to get rid of the double chin.


--
* kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi * * Kari Juhani Nenonen *
                  * Helsinki - SF *
From: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:53:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
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Thanks to some kind person here, I saw Oprah's show yesterday on food compulsions.
It was fantastic but TOO SHORT! It was partly a plug for an author named Geneen Roth
and her book, "When Food is Love" (which I think I will run out and buy). She
goes on that same principle we have heard, Stop Dieting, which seems to cause
so much argument. But the principle is really good, I think. If we use food for
reasons not related to energy and fuel for our bodies, then no diet in the world
will work. I have to admit, I was very skeptical about this, esp. since it seems
to get invovled with all this co-dependecy stuff but by the end I began to
belive more of it. I remeber a very unpleasant series of posts this summer on
throwing away the diet and eating what you want. But that is only half the story.
If you do just that and don't get at the REASONS why you eat, it will just be
another failure. I started thinking alot about why I eat and why I eat so
erractically. I won't try to explain all the show and all the ideas but it
was very good and I think the book might be helpful. Anyway, I wanted to say
thank you to the person who said that show would be on, whoever you are. I'll
be watching that tape a few times over.

Amy Mossman
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: pjd@unislc.uucp (Priscilla Davidson)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:10:54 GMT

From article <BxL1A7.MDI@wrs.com>, by jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart):
> 
> Is anyone else out there pursuing a totally nonfat diet? 
       [parts deleted]
> 
> I guess I'm interested in anyone's thoughts on this sort of diet. I'm
> doing it partly to lose weight, but I try to think of it as just a much
> healthier way to eat anyhow. I don't plan to go back to high-fat foods
> after I lose the weight. 
> 
   Jessica -- I've always heard (from Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and
   a registered dietitian) that a totally non-fat diet (well, as totally
   nonfat as we can get it) is not healthy.  The body needs fat, especially
   for vitamin A, which is not water soluble.  I was told that all sorts
   of dire things would happen to me if I cut out fat completely:  my hair
   would fall out, etc.  Anyone else in this group care to comment?


> 
> 
>
From: cj14+@andrew.cmu.edu (Cory Harper Jacques)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: body image
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:40:42 GMT
	<1992Nov8.175524.20602@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Any suggestions on buiding a positive body image? I've lost weight and
feel great, but I still think of myself poorly and when the opposite sex
touches me I almost cringe! I believe that my self image will have a big
effeect on my ability to accept myself and keep the weight off! So I
need suggestions on changing my body image and making it possitive!!!

Thanks,
Cory
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 10:16:53 -0500 
From: Judi Mancuso <jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Snack foods

Lenore asks--I'm looking for snacks - low cal, low sodium, low fat,
>high chewability.....I've done things like switch 
>to the Singles microwave popcorn instead of the 
>regular bag, but I still sneek a cookie or hard candy
>here and there - I look forward to your ideas..
> 
>Lenore

What about raw veggies?  These can really quench the need for the
"crunch and munch".  They are a pain to cut up but if you have some
extra cents on hand, you can buy them already cut up.  Best of Luck with
that snacking!  Judi

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: churchwell@vms.ocom.okstate.edu (Kimberly B. Churchwell)
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:29:46 GMT

In article <Bx768I.JsD@tct.com>, lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook) writes:
> I'm looking for snacks - low cal, low sodium, low fat,
> high chewability.....

Have you tried any of the flavored rice cakes or popcorn cakes?  I like
the Quaker caramel popcorn cakes when I'm in the mood for sweet stuff
(don't have a bag handy, but I believe they're around 40 calories, 0 g.
fat per cake).  When I'm craving spicy stuff, I find that Pacific
Grain's Pizza Style crispy rice cakes work very nicely.  (And I do have
a bag of these handy:  35 calories, <1 g. fat, 1 g. protein, 7 g.
carbohydrates, 50 mg. sodium per cake.)

Kim
-- 
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Osteopathic College--churchwell@vms.ocom.okstate.edu   | even so, I never
BIX--kchurchwell  AOL--KChurchwel  CIS--72170,1552     | quit hoping.
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: THERMOJETICS
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:54:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bx9yzD.n2G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tww40334@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Wentworth) writes:
>Do you need to lose weight or do you want to keep weight off that you've
>already lost?    Here is the solution:   Thermojectics, a brand new 
>weight loss product (approved by the F.D.A.) is now here.
>It is in tablet form and works by increasing your body's metabolism, which 
>allows you to burn fat even while doing nothing.   

Nothing?  Ya mean like if you've died?  And HOW, pray tell, do "herbs"
increase one's metabolism?

>You can consume up to 1800 calories a day and still lose weight.  

I'd bet that this would be true for the majority of dieters even if
"Thermojectics" were a placebo, so BFD.  

>For more information or an order you can email me

This is alt.diet.support, not alt.diet.pyramid_schemes.  I think 
you took a wrong turn somewhere.
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:41:44 GMT

mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>In article <Nov.11.11.36.37.1992.17604@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>Can you do me a favor  and tell me your typical daily schedule?  I can't
>>seem to find time to exercise.  How many credits are you taking?  How many
>>hours a day do you work? 

>>These aren't exuses.  This is my life.  School and work are my priority.
>>I wish I could move exercise up there, but its difficult.  

>I don't really know what to say.  You have simply made a different choice
>for your life than I have for mine.  But I'm saying that my choice has
>helped me to maintain a low weight for the first time in my adult life.
>If that's not your priority now, so be it.  

When I was still in school, it was difficult for me to find time to exercise
as well, but after I started, I found out that the hardest part was actually
the starting portion of it.  Once I got going, I settled into a routine and
this made it all the better.  What worked for me was getting on a regular
schedule and sticking to the schedule.  After 2 months of this, I didn't
want to miss any of my exercising.  In fact, I noticed that I really came to
rely on the physical release just to give my brain time to relax as well.

One more thing . . . I've got a family now and therefore loads more work added
to my schedule.  Same for my wife, yet my wife runs religiously every morning
(She's only taken 18 days off in the last 15 years:  9 days after the birth
of our first son and 9 days after the birth of our second son.) and I 
exercise every day at lunchtime and on Saturdays.  I take Sundays off to 
let my old bones rest. =)  But seriously, I have a routine and it works for
me.  In fact, when I'm travelling on business on the road, I make sure that
I know where the nearest health club is to a hotel I can stay in.

allen
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Salad Bars
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:06:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jessica Hart (jessica@wrs.com) wrote:
> 
> Out here where I live we
> have a place called "Fresh Choice" that actually offers nonfat salads
> MARKED AS SUCH! And nonfat (or rather, 98% nonfat) muffins. It's nice
> to know they have been thinking about food the same way I would if
> I was cooking it. So often I ask what the ingredients in something are,
> only to get a rather incomplete list (they forget to mention the
> onions were sauteed in oil, for example).

I just wish I could get non-fat sour cream in restaurants for my baked
potatoes.  But I'm glad to hear that someone is finally catching on in
the restaurant industry.  It sure does take a long time for change to
wend it's way through the ranks.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: Weight Watcher Question
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:02:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.164425.2687@eng.ufl.edu> kwc@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Ken Colson) writes:
>Greetings,
>
>I am a lifetime member of WW and recently returned just to listen to the meeting.
> .....
>to return.  Does anyone know if this is the real WW policy?
>

As long as you weigh in each month, you're within 2 pounds of your
goal, you're free.  Seems like you may have paid for the month that
you _missed_ even though you were still at goal.  Seems like you hit
on one of those ambiguous issues - call your WW office and ask!

Speaking of WW, I'm also interested in getting on the WW mailing
list.  Can someone cut me in?


-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: detig@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Christine Detig)
Subject: Re: Food du jour
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:34:01 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <BICKER.92Nov5140813@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, bicker@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Brian Charles Kohn) writes:
> In article <1992Oct28.040248.14590@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton) writes:
> 
>    [..]
> 
>    Into a large bowl, put 2 cups leftover turkey meat in small pulled bits.
>    Add 3 tablespoons (yes, tablespoons) of curry powder.  Then, 2 heaping
>    tablespoons of nonfat sour-cream (Land-O-Lakes' is FABULOUS), and
>    1 heaping teaspoon of extra-light mayonnaise (I prefer Weight Watcher
>    brand).  Add 1/4 onion, chopped very fine.  Mix well with a spoon, until
>    a uniform consistency is reached.  Make sandwiches.
> 
>    EXCHANGES:  2 meats, 25 optional calories
> 
>    Yum!
> 
> Sounds good, but might I suggest some modifications?  I also make 
> Curried Turkey Salad often, but instead of sour cream I use non-fat yogurt.  
> It's lower in calories (per spoonful) I believe.  Also, I put in a pinch or
> three of white powder, and a couple of spoons of white raisins.
> 

May I suggest some more add-ons? 

I love chicken salad, and to give it more volume without increasing 
fat (and calories only a bit) I also add some small (or cut) canned
mushrooms and some fruit: 
 Ananas, peaches, mandarins, prunes, oranges, kiwi, or whatever is
available, preferrably citrus fruits.  
Sometimes, I add curry to give it a different taste.

 If I want to make it a very special but still light meal, I also add
asparagus. (This way, it is our traditional family Chrismas dinner, 
tastes great with a glass of champagne and toast.)


Have fun, Christine


     ************************************************************
        Christine Detig (detig@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de)
                              Germany
                                 *
From: MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Diet Methods
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:48:38 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Have any of you tried the Deal-a-Meal Plan by Richards Simmons?  Did you have
success?  I recently started the Plan and have lost 10 lbs. in 3weeks!!
Of course, I also exercise about 3 times a week (45 min. each time). Reading
this group encouraged me to go for it and lose weight.

I wanted so much to lose weight and checked out all possibilities.  Jenny Craig
(very expensive), Medical Weight Loss (also expensive), Nutri-Systems (ditto)
and I just didn't have the money to spend to join any of those.  The only other
system I've tried before was Weight Watchers and usually did okay with them for
a little while.  Then I'd give up and "fall off the wagon."  Anyway, just
curious as to how all of you are losing weight.  Also wanted to encourage you
to keep up the good work.  Sharing your stories encourages others. Thanks!
it!
Maureen (10 down and 15 to go)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Re: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:29:20 GMT

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
: In article <1992Nov12.182527.9147@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
: >So anyways, definitely check out Roth's book.  But if anything is true,
: >it is that we are all individuals, so Roth's pronouncement that "food
: >is love" may or may not be the case.  Sometimes it's just a box of donuts.
: 
: For what it's worth, I don't think _anyone_ sits down and eats an entire
: box of donuts purely because they taste good.  I just don't see people
: without compulsive food problems eating like that.  

I wish I could figure out why it is I overeat.  I don't seem to fit any of
the models.  I lead a peaceful, simple life.  But I have a strong tendency
to overeat, and the nearest I can figure, I overeat because I like the
taste of the food in my mouth and I like the feeling of "fullness" I
get.  I have poor self-control, so I've addressed my problem by trying
to remove all temptation (hell, I even became a strict vegan!).  It
works most of the time, but every few months I seem to regress.  Eating
a box of donuts is easy, except for me it might be a loaf or two of
whole grain bread fresh out of the oven, or a dozen bananas, or two or
three large baked buttercup squash, or steamed veggies...  I can avoid
eating things like pastries or choclates or snacks (much as I used to
love them) because I know they are bad for me.  I also know that
overeating is bad for me, but I can't seem to control that.
I've been able to gain weight by overeating vegetables.

I've got to address this problem, I mean, it's a major factor in how I
gained 180 lbs in the first place.  Now that I've almost lost all of
it, I must not gain it all back.  To prevent that I must address my
overeating problem.  But I haven't found a good way to deal with
my problem yet.

Tom
-- 
Tom Molnar
Unix Systems Group, University of Toronto Computing & Communications.
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercising When Sick AND Scheduling Time for Exercise
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:03:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov12.144748.16368@linus.mitre.org> cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter) writes:
>   But you know what?  Since I started exercising regularly a few years 
>ago, I haven't been sick as much!  I used to get a couple of bad colds 

Of course, it turns out that if you overexercise, you can actually increase
your chances of getting sick.  Somebody did a study and found out that
people who ran a marathon got more colds (percentage-wise) than did people
who had trained for the marathon but wound up not competing.  They
found that some hormone or enzyme (whose name escapes my photographic
memory, as usual :-) was surpressing some of the function of the immune system
after strenuous exercise.

As for me, I don't notice that I am getting sick more or less frequently.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: time of day
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.171326.24034@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, wensel@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sharon Taylor) writes:
|> [snip'd]
|> I'm interested in what other people have experienced
|> in terms of the time of day they eat most of their calories.
|> 
|> /sharon
|> (wensel@cory.berkeley.edu)

I find that if I don't go to bed at night with the sound of my growling
stomach roaring in my ears, I'm not making any headway.

Actually, the preceding statement is probably an exaggeration, perhaps 
even a gross one, but my point is that I personally think it matters WHEN
I consume the bulk of calories and, for me, the earlier in the day the
better.  On the other hand, I have a skinny relative (a very active older
woman) who comes to visit me.  She eats like a field hand all day long and 
before going to bed each night she eats 2 bowls of cereal with Half 'n' 
Half and a snickers bar.  She said it helps her sleep.  Obviously we're 
not all alike (pretty profound and original, huh?).

Jan