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From: marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc Milanini)
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:10:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Keywords: guns and surrealism

Hi there,

Since this discussion is crossposted to soc.culture.french, I thought
I could jump in.

In article <1992Aug21.004135.24169@athena.mit.edu> sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman) writes:
>Reality check: give an example of a fascist or tyrant advocating that
>the common people be armed.  I'm waiting.

The fascists usually say something like "Rely on yourself, not on the
collectivity". This is exactly the same meaning as your arguments.

>>And you are you to have the right to say that somebody must dye.
>>Are you a god ??? are you better than me ???
>
>No, I am not a god.  However, I do have a right to protect my life against
>those who would murder me unlawfully, and along with my right to life comes
>the right to the most effective means of protecting myself.

Sure you have this right. In France too, the right to self-defence is
guaranteed. If someone assaults you to kill you, and if you happen to
have a weapon, you have the right to defend yourself.

However, the most effective means of protecting yourself does not
imply the right to buy weapons freely. If you want to get an arm 
for legal purposes, you should not mind a control on this purchase.

If you allow honest citizens to buy any weapon they want, you also
allow gangsters to do the same.

>Come back when you've figured out the difference between vigilantism and
>self-defense.

In France too, you can buy revolvers. With control of course. Once you
get a permit, you can carry your pistol at any time. But there is no
way to buy a semi-automatic rifle, and have it transformed to fully
automatic by someone just on the other side of the street. This makes 
sense to us.

You know, you don't need a Uzi machine gun (like the ones for which
you can find ads here in the USA) to protect yourself.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters)
Subject: Re: Courte phrase avec les 10 accents
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:00:07 GMT

lacroix@sobeco.ca (d.lacroix) writes:

>        `   ^       '   `   ^   "   "   ^   `
>        a   a   c   e   e   e   e   i   o   u
>                '   

> Je cherche une petite phrase elegante avec les 10 minuscules
> accentuees (quand on compte le C cedille) un peu comme le
> "quick brown fox..." quand on veut tester la conformite
> d'un ecran ou d'un protocole pour les accents .....

Avant d'essayer, j'encouragerais ceux qui veulent s'y mettre d'inclure
aussi les minuscules accentuees que notre ami D. Lacroix a omises :

	^   ^   "
	i   u   u

Bonne chance a tous et a toutes !
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From: pelegrin@brol.greco-prog.fr (Francois PELLEGRINI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Interventionnisme
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:28:15 GMT
Organization: GRECO Programmation du CNRS - Bordeaux,France

In article <457@tls-cs.cert.fr>, maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet) writes:
|> In article <marzouki.712929774@archi>, marzouki@archi.imag.fr (Meryem Marzouki) writes:
|> |> maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet) writes:
[...]
|>   Je vois poindre le pacifisme. Un petit detail: si vous appliquez les mesures
|> susdites, ce n'est pas 75000 personnes que vous aurez au chomage, mais plus de
|> 400000.
[...]
|>   Ce n'est pas une excuse, c'est une realite economique. Supprimer avant de
|> creer, ca ne marchera jamais. En revanche, si vous arrivez a faire l'inverse 
|> ( creer des debouches civils suffisants avant de supprimer les debouches
|> militaires ), vous aurez gagne la partie...
|>   Ceci dit, si vous - ou quelqu'un d'autre, hein, pas de probleme pour moi -
|> a une solution miracle pour ca, il aura droit a toute ma consideration. L'ar-
|> -mement fait vivre, mais on n'est pas oblige d'apprecier...

	Yaka utiliser la solution 39.

	Une bonne guerre mondiale totale:
- Ca relance l'industrie.
- Ca desengorge vite fait le marche de l'emploi.
- Ca fait marcher le batiment (et quand le batiment va, tout va...).

	D'autant plus que, le progres aidant, ca durerait plus 6 ans comme la
derniere fois; en 1 jour, TOUT serait regle!

	On vit-y-pas une epoque formidable?


					f.p.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin)
Subject: Re: Concours : Chez nous, c'est bien mieux (etait Re: Salut tout le monde)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:46:58 GMT

In <401@catnix.UUCP> michele@catnix.UUCP (Michele Simond) writes:

>Denis Beauregard demande :
>>
>>Et des villes avec une plage municipale et une pente de ski, vous en
>>connaissez, vous?
>Et Magog alors ... ?S

j'avais oublie de mentionne qu'a Dublin nous avons aussi des montagnes!
si, si;  pas tres hautes,  mais tres jolies (the Wicklow Hills) et a 10
mn du centre ville...  et puis le parc avec ses 600 cerfs et puis ses
*pubs*.  vous me direz ce que vous voudrez,  mais la Dublin est
imbattable...


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//Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, (+353-1)7021539 ...
//Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland-  ASK-18
From: sylvain@tls-cs.cert.fr (Sylvain Chretien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Fed up... Comment les arreter ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:13:53 GMT
Organization: CERT Toulouse Dept of Computer Science, FRANCE

In article <1992Aug14.082253.5470@cs.hw.ac.uk>, vincent@cs.hw.ac.uk (Vincent Hue) writes:
|> 
|> J'en ai vraiment raz le bol de tous ces cross-post. Les nouvelle AFP me 
|> suffisent pour savoir se qui se passe en Bosnie. 
|>  
|> 1) Y a-t-il un moyen de les arreter (moderator, grande instance, big brother..)
|> 2) Pourriez vous, vous tous lecteur de s.c.f, envoyer un mail du style : 
|> 
|> # Hey folx - we'd appreciate you not to post your junk in soc.culture
|> # french.  Tired with that stuff.  Those interested already read the
|> # appropriate groups.
|> 
|> A toute personne qui vient nous polluer ? 
|> 
|> Les articles sur les beaux yeux de Delphine m'interessent plus que cette *(%$&.
|> 
|> Thanx. 
|> 
|> Vincent
|> 
|> --- siggy 
|> Heriot-Watt University of Edinburgh, Comp Science Dept. Scotland
|> vincent@cs.hw.ac.uk
|> Ecole Superieure d'Ingenieurs en Electrotechnique et Electronique. France
|> huev@apo.esiee.fr

	Eh bien voila quelqu'un qui a compris les justees valeurs de la vie. Tout a fait d'accord avec toi Vincent.

 

Sylvain Chretien			e-mail: sylvain@tls-cs.cert.fr

Le g'and noi' Mamadou concessionnaire iseki vous salue bien dit don' bwanas.
From: maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Salut tout le monde (was) Re: Languedoc
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:01:21 GMT
Organization: CERT Toulouse Dept of Computer Science, FRANCE

In article <38518@imag.imag.fr>, serge@imag.fr (Serge Rouveyrol) writes:
|> In article <DELPHINE.92Aug17113755@wpi.WPI.EDU> delphine@wpi.WPI.EDU (Delphine Clomenil) writes:
|> >...................................
|> >...................................
|> >Hawai.... le pays du surf et du fun board... avec tous ces mecs
|> >baraques qui ne demandent rien de mieux que d'apprendre aux jeunes
|> >filles a faire du surf.  Quoi que moi mon truc c'est plutot le fun
|> >board (jamais mis les pieds sur un surf!).  On fait un deal?  Celui
|> >qui gagne la competition (le vainqueur etant nomme par un commite
|> >comprenant... moi) me paie le billet d'avion?
|> >Ciao
|> >
|> 
|> Remarque : A Pigalle c'est moins cher qu'un billet d'avion.
|> -- 
|> serge@imag.fr


  Je laisse le soin a Delphine de repondre au cuistre qui a ecrit ca... a
moins qu'une echarpe blanche ne soit lancee, auquel cas...

							Z.

  Sylvuck&Zozo, concessionnaires Iseki, tout le jardinage pres de chez vous.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.french:5848 talk.politics.guns:19382
From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:50:57 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Followup-To: soc.culture.french
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


How about a summary of that last message for those of us who've
forgotten our High School \f\r\o\g French.   B-)

Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-P  LPVa NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA "M-O-U-S-E"Commandant and Acting President, Northern Virginia Free Militia
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"...I am opposed to all attempts to license or restrict the arming of
individuals...I consider such laws a violation of civil liberty, 
subversive of democratic political institutions, and self-defeating
in their purpose."
        - Robert Heinlein, in a 1949 letter concerning "Red Planet"
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From: bpp@infoserv.com (Jonathan E. Ganz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Translator for short-term project needed
Keywords: french translation computer
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:39:06 PDT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Blank Page Productions

I am still in need of a French translator for a short-term 
project.  This could lead to a much larger project.

This need is immediate! I am on a very tight schedule....

I need someone familiar with computers and able to work on 
the Macintosh (or UNIX platform) with FrameMaker. 

Rate per page is negotiable.

Please call rather than sending email or posting a followup.

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From: slaveau+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stephane Laveau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Keywords: guns and surrealism
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:58:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt5EE1.E8A.1
Reply-To: slaveau@ius4.ius.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University

Argh, I think that's too much for me..

In article <1554@tnc.UUCP>, m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) writes:

|> "...I am opposed to all attempts to license or restrict the arming of
|> individuals...I consider such laws a violation of civil liberty,
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
|> subversive of democratic political institutions, and self-defeating
|> in their purpose."
|>         - Robert Heinlein, in a 1949 letter concerning "Red Planet"

What is that red planet he is talking about ? As some other say, Your (civil)
liberty stops when other's start.

As far as guns are concerned can some americans explain to me why one week is
considered by some people too long to get a gun ? Can they explain the
accidents where people used their guns while they are in anger, and regret it
afterwards ? ( not to speak about the kids shooting others with dad's gun ).

I know some would try to point out that it is mainly self defense against
possible aggressions, but if anyone can buy a gun, the aggressor can buy it as
well. If bazookas were in supermarkets, aggressors would have bazookas and you
will need bazookas for self defense.

As far as France is concerned, we don't have any amendment in our constitution
that says that we have the right to bear arms... 

By the way, it is illegal to import arms in France even if they are
non-useable...


Stephane

P.S. I'm not even a pacifist...
P.S.2 Excuse my english.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: lacroix@sobeco.com (d.lacroix)
Subject: Re: Courte phrase aved de'ja` pas mal d'accents
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:16:22 GMT

In <1992Aug20.035146.4629@trl.oz.au> jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) writes:

>Ou` gou^ter de c,a a` Noe"l: pa^te's et ro^ts au mai"s?

>Il n'y sont pas tous, mais peut s'en faut. A vous de jouer,
>maintenant. Bien su^r, j'aurais pu y mettre de la cigu"e,
                                                   ^^^^^^

  cigue" prend le tre'ma sur l'e final (pas sur l'u).

  Mais je pense qu'il existe au moins un mo^t qui le prend sur l'u .....



Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Courte phrase aved de'ja` pas mal d'accents
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:51:46 GMT

Ou` gou^ter de c,a a` Noe"l: pa^te's et ro^ts au mai"s?

Il n'y sont pas tous, mais peut s'en faut. A vous de jouer,
maintenant. Bien su^r, j'aurais pu y mettre de la cigu"e,
mais ces mets font de'ja` assez "cuisine anglaise" comme
c,a, non? Oh (esprit de l'escalier), y'a  mieux:

Ou` gou^ter a` c,a, de`s Noe"l: pa^te' en boi^te et mai"s ro^ti
sans cigu"e?   

Du coup, c,a fait cuisine romaine du temps de Ne'ron, Agrippine,
et autres empoisonneurs.

Qui dit mieux?
From: maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Je me lance
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:49:32 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.french
Organization: CERT Toulouse Dept of Computer Science, FRANCE

In article <1992Aug12.143202.26877@jussieu.fr>, mgi@ccr-p6.ccr.jussieu.fr (Marc GIRONDOT p75783) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug11.174956.19988@jussieu.fr>, mgi@ccr-p6.ccr.jussieu.fr (Marc
|> >GIRONDOT p75783) writes:
|> >|>
|> >|> Pour me placer dans la discussion:
|> >|> Je suis pacifiste "belant" refusant toute armee et pour une intervention
|> >|> militaire de l'ONU en ex-Yougoslavie. Rassurez-vous j'assume mes
|> >|> contradictions.
|> >|>
|> >|> Bonsoir
|> >|> Marc
|> >
|> >  Comment fais-tu?
|> Il suffit de decaler sa pensee: je suis "pacifiste belant" dans le monde ideal
|> que j'essaye d'imaginer, mais interventioniste quand la triste realite reprend
|> le dessus... C'est pas trop dur mais un peu lache...
|> Marc

  Ah, je comprends mieux... tu es comme (presque) tout le monde...c'est pas
trop lache a mon sens, c'est plutot un peu non-militant... tout a fait ce qu'il
me faut, je suis fatigue...

							Z>
From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:37:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug16.123701.14788
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <16ku4uINNgm2@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr> 
Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel) writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.234435.14781@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>(i)	French legislation pertaining firearms importation, ownership,
>>possession, and carrying, especially by foreign nationals.

CW:
>I hope you.re kidding?  

Not in the slightest.

>			Keep your guns out of France! 

Thanks for your concern, but I would much prefer to see a factual
question answered in the indicative mood.

>						      Anyway carrying arms
>is illegal (except hunting arms I guess) without a permit. 

I am aware of that much, and would like to know the details about
obtaining one.

MZ:
>>(ii)	The logistics of importing, insuring, running, and ultimately
>>selling a US-registered motorcycle in France.

CW:
>Le vehicule doit passer au service des mines (a moins peut-etre d'etre
>en transit temporaire) sinon la circulation est interdite et les 
>assureurs n'assureont pas. Circuler sans assurance est illegal en
>France.

J'aimerais recevoir un expos\'e d\'etaill\'e et complet sur cette
question, comme sur les autres.

MZ:
>>(iii)	Public-access Internet nodes in Paris.

CW:
>Some pointers are given in the soc.culture.french FAQ posted here a few
>days ago.  Some more info will even be added in the next posting, in
>september.

Thanks.  Is there any chance of getting the additional information in
advance?

>-- 
>Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr
>   "No keyboard, press F1 to continue"

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
From: maillet@cert.fr (Luc Maillet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: les serbes me font gerber...
Keywords: [SWITCH flame-thrower TO roast]
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:13:01 GMT
Organization: CERT, CS Dpt. Toulouse, France

In article <1992Aug14.083610.19890@jussieu.fr>, mgi@ccr-p6.ccr.jussieu.fr (Marc GIRONDOT p75783) writes:
|> In article <525@tls-cs.cert.fr> maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet) writes:
|> > [partie effacee]
|> >  De toutes facons, il faudra bien les separer, ces gens qui ne pensent qu'a se
|> >tirer dessus... alors autant le faire tout de suite. Quand a savoir si ca va
|> >etre beau ou pas, au Liban, les Syriens font de l'occupation, et vous remarque-
|> >-rez qu'on en entend plus parler...
|> 
|> Qu'est-ce a dire? Qu'il ne se passe rien, ou qu'ils controlent mieux
|> l'information...

  Les deux. Mais en tout cas, il n'y a plus d'ambassades qui sautent, plus
d'etrangers kidnappes, plus de... enfin, c'est pas encore le paradis, mais ce
n'est plus l'enfer de la guerre urbaine...

[... discussion sur les ventes d'ames supprimee ...]

|> - Le fait que tres souvent l'acheteur n'est pas solvable, que que cela
|> se resout soit en assurance (il y en a une speciale pour les marchands
|> d'arme a l'etranger) soit en pret a l'etat en question, sachant que sa dette
|> exterieure sera annulee

  Tu sais, la dette de certains pays est cotee en bourse... donc elle rapporte
de l'argent. On peut compter ca, aussi... mais basta. Si ce n'etait qu'un
probleme financier, on arriverait sans doute a le resoudre... c'est aussi un
probleme economique et politique... surtout politique...

|> Marc
|> 
|> Quelqu'un sait-il qui a dit:
|> Je ne veux pas renoncer a ma belle utopie pour une triste realite
|> Merci d'avance

  J'en sais rien. Mais c'etait un poete, et donc un peu fou...
From: 70642.736@compuserve.com (^Gan ^Uesli Starling)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Mi revenas...
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:59:08 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

To:   >internet:esperanto@rand.org

Atentu,

Kiel S-ro Brewer informis, mi perdis la kreditkarteton. Tial mi devis
malvalidigi ^gin. Kaj pro ^gia malvalideco, CompuServo rifuzis lasi min
uzi la servon.

Intertempe, mia kesto pleni^gis kaj mi perdis 19 mesa^gojn! Ve!

Sed nun mi havas la novan karteton, kaj partoprenas refoje. Se iu provis
kontakti min aparte dum la intertempo, mi pardonpetas. Bonvolu provi
refoje.

Dankon,

^Gan

/ex
From: lendonc@cognos.com (Cleve Lendon 3821)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Interlingua
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:05:17 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

>From: uvaarpa!concert!rock!taco!padeniso@darwin.sura.net (PAUL ANDREW DENISOWSKI)
>Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
>Subject: Re: Interlingua?
>To: esperanto@rand.org
>Status: R

>	I was a serious Esperanto student for a number of years, but finally
>all but abandoned it and switched over to Interlingua.  

Really! I was a serious Coke drinker until I switched to Pepsi.

>I think one of
>the biggest failings of Esperanto is, in fact, the entire "movado." 
>There are too many Esperantists who either view themselves as members of
>some exclusive club, or who are so possessed by ideas of world
>peace/brotherhood/whatever, that they ignore the fact that Esperanto
>simply isn't catching on.

Firstly, our "club" is not exclusive.

Your second point is true, though.
Many of us are possessed by ideas of world peace, brotherhood (siblinghood?),
and other such nonsense. The promoters of Interlingua seem to be much more 
rational, which probably accounts for the tremendous success of Interlingua.

>	Interlingua, basically a standardization of romance languages (with
>some English and german mixed in), aims at providing a means of
>communication, for whatever purpose.  Unlike Esperanto, it is almost
>immediately comprehensible to educated speakers of Romance languages and
>English.  

Wonderful! I happen to be an educated speaker of Romance languages and 
English. Please translate your article into Interlingua and repost it.

>It differs from Esperanto in that it is practical and
>realistic, and aimed at people who need to communicate accross language
>barriers (esp in the sciences) but who do not have the time and
>inclination to spent years figuring out Esperanto morphology.  Contrary
>to the beliefs held by many (most) Esperantists, it is NOT a
                                                  ?!
>particularly easy language to master, and (as witnessed at the last ELNA
>convention) is not spoken well even by some of its biggest supporters.

Tell us about the level of fluency at the last Interlingua convention. 
Did the Japanese speak it as well as the French? Are there any Japanese
Interlingua-speakers?

>	I don't want to be seen as "Esperanto-bashing", but I think some
>serious changes need to be made if Esperanto is to ever catch on.  My
>first suggestion would be to use Esperanto to discuss things other than
>Esperanto itself or the "movado".

Why didn't we think of that before?

>   While it is true that there are many
>other subjects discussed in Esperanto, it sometimes seems that the
>entire raison d'etre for Esperanto is so that people can use Esperanto
>to talk about Esperanto.

I think you're right. Please tell me how I can subscribe to some Interlingua
magazines. (Magazines written in Interlingua, but not about Interlingua, of 
course).

Malsincere,

Klivo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: brewer@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Steve Brewer)
Subject: Exclusive club, Ha!
Organization: W M U Centro de Scienca Edukado
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:09:28 GMT

] From: vana!TORDM@kth.se  (Tord Malmgren)
] 
] >Firstly, our "club" is not exclusive.
] 
]  just for information, I was informed that "Universala Esperanto Asocio"
] has a very high membership cost thus exluding some people who can't afford
] it, and if that isn't "exclusive"

Firstly, being an esperantist is not the same as being a member of UEA.
Anyone who is willing to express an interest in Esperanto is welcomed
into the society of esperantists.  

Furthermore, what do you call a high membership cost?  If you want to have
dinner with George Bush count on spending a few thousand dollars for one
night (and maybe a few favors down the road).  UEA on the other hand,
costs about $60 a year for us usonanoj, but for poorer countries, there
is a reduced rate (subsidized by us rich countries).  This seems
reasonable to me, although I know people who won't join because it
doesn't seem fair to them that they should pay more than someone from
Estonia or the Sudan. 

Besides, 60 bucks a year is exclusive?  Try joining any profesional
organization.  They're all more expensive.

-- 
Steven D. Brewer  brewer@cs.wmich.edu     ****     99brewer@lab.cc.wmich.edu
                  Center for Science Education,  Western Michigan University
Vi trovos lin nur post la tajda forkuro, bakita de l' suno, frapita de ondoj