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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:56:01 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: VN, Burma foreign ministers to visit Japan

10/07

VIETNAM, BURMA FOREIGN MINISTERS TO VISIT JAPAN

    TOKYO, Oct 7, Reuter - The foreign ministers of Vietnam and Burma will make
separate unofficial visits to Japan this month for talks with Japanese leaders,
the foreign ministry said on Wednesday.
    A ministry official said Vietnamese Foreign Minister Nguyen Manh Cam would
stay in Tokyo for about four days from October 11, and his Burmese counterpart
U Ohn Gyaw would pay a three-day visit from October 15.
    Both ministers will be making stopovers in Japan on their way back from the
U.N. General Assembly in New York.
    The official said they were due to hold talks with Foreign Minister Michio
Watanabe, who is also Japan's deputy prime minister.
    Earlier this year, a Japanese foreign ministry official said Tokyo aimed to
end a deadlock over millions of dollars in old debts owed by Vietnam and resume
aid by the end of 1992.
    "We want to wind up the negotiations with Vietnam over the unpaid debt
issue pending for years as soon as possible," the official said in July.
    "The talks may end in a couple of months, but in a more conservative
estimate, they could last till the end of the year and we aim to finish up by
then."
    Vietnam has halted principal and interest repayments to Japan since 1980 on
yen loans made to the South Vietnamese government in the 1970s for building
power plants and buying commodities.
    Japan extended loans totalling 27.73 billion yen ($231 million) to South
Vietnam between 1970 and 1974.
    Vietnam has not yet made official requests for future aid programmes, but
has told Tokyo of plans to upgrade utilities, roads and ports once Japan's
official development assistance (ODA) is resumed, the foreign ministry official
said in July.
    Tokyo has suspended ODA to Hanoi since Vietnam's troops invaded Cambodia in
December 1978. Vietnam's ties with the rest of the world have improved since it
withdrew the troops in 1989.
    Japan last provided yen loans worth 10 billion yen ($83.3 million) in
1978/79. Grants of humanitarian medical supplies and technological assistance
have been exempted from the aid ban.
    Tokyo also suspended its economic aid to Burma in the wake of a military
crackdown on a pro-democracy uprising in Rangoon in 1988, in which thousands
were killed.
    But Japan, which supplies more that 70 per cent of Burma's foreign aid and
is its biggest supplier of imports, is going ahead with projects that have
already been pledged.
    No new pledges of development assistance to Rangoon have been made.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:32:35 EDT
From:         mrubyono@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject:      Re: East Timor [response] CORRECTION

>Message-Id:   <SEASIA-L%92100817020969@MSU.BITNET>
>Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:20:20 EDT
>From: mrubyono@suvm.BITNET
>Subject:      Re: East Timor (response
>To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU.BITNET>
>
...deleted...
> culture is totally against PANCASILA and UDD'45. Again, you could read
> the books of PANCASILA and UUD'45. Although, there is a resistant to
> change in any development, Felix Keesing, in his book 'Stability
> and Change' 1997, said that there are several areas of a culture
              ~~~~should be 1971
> where change tends to be rapid and achieved. The same has been
> happening also around the country since Indonesia implement the
> REPELITA. So, we have to work hard to recover the weaknesses and
> the mistakes and build up the whole country for the better of our
> life including our brothers' and sisters' in ET.

ruby
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:52:19 -0500
From:         Max Becherer <becherer@SUNA0.CS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Timor Questions

M. Parikesit writes...

>    I need to ask two questions concerning these East Timor ordeal, just
>    to get a clearer picture ;
>
> 1. Why does the East Timorese is so persistent (like you say)
>    to be independent.

 I personally do not know all the details, but certainly Indonesian
 oppression of their culture plays a role.  Perhaps, if the Indonesian
 government treated the East Timorese people less like animals and more
 like human beings, they would be less insistant on being independant.
 Ask an East Timorese.

>    What are the benefit for them as an Independent country, and

 Not having their culture destroyed sounds like quite a benefit to me.

>    why being Indonesian is so bad for them ?

 Let me rephrase the question: Why would being Portugese be so bad
 for the Indonesian people ?

>
> 2. What do they have to live on as an Independent country ?

 Not much, but then again, a tiny island like East Timor doesn't need
 much; there are scores of small island nations which seem to do just
 fine. Besides, East Timor isn't getting anything of value from being
 a part of Indonesia anyway.


>
>
> Waiting for your reply,
> M. Parikesit,   mparikes@cs.indiana
>




Refer comments, suggestions, flames to

                 Max Becherer    becherer@cs.uiuc.edu

       Nothing Evil lasts forever -- the Future belongs to the Free.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:16:11 EDT
From:         arusydi@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject:      The UIC invested in Vietnam

THE UIC INVESTED IN VIETNAM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
One of the Indonesian huge companies, Salim Group, started to
invest their money in Vietnam. The news was revealed after the
general meeting of the extraordinary share holders of Unggul
Indah Corp. Unggul Indah Corp, the division of the Salim Group,
would invest US$ 6 millions to produce 'alkylbenzena,' which
located near Ho Chi Minh city. From the capital invested, UIC
would hold 51% share, the Vietnamese counterpart would hold
10-15%, and the rest would be held by another foreign company.

According to Johannes Kotjo, president director of UIC, Vietnam
is one of the importers of alkylbenzena and detergent. "Then,
we decided better to invest directly in Vietnam" said Kotjo.
Since 1986, UIC has practically been dominating the market
in Indonesia. UIC [and its associates] is the biggest company
producing raw material for making soap and detergent.

[Jakarta, PROSPEK 8-22-1992]
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:21:09 PDT
From:         Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Re: BOUG/PNG

Dan --
If you have access to the Web or other APC networks, you can get almost
daily news items on Bougainville through the Pactok news service out
of Australia, which is reported in the reg.bougainville conference on
Peacenet/Web/Pegasus/GreenNet.  I think things are a lot more complex
and further from being resolved than your PNC newspapers lead you
to believe.
-- Charlie Scheiner
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:47:37 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      CAM: UN envoy hopeful on Cambodia peace plan despite problems

10/06

U.N. ENVOY HOPEFUL ON CAMBODIA PEACE PLAN DESPITE PROBLEMS

    By Carol Giacomo
    WASHINGTON, Oct 6, Reuter - The U.N. official charged with administering
the deeply troubled Cambodia peace plan remained hopeful on Tuesday that the
process can go forward despite serious opposition from the notorious Khmer
Rouge guerrilla faction.
    Special U.N. representative Yasushi Akashi admitted problems exist, but
said: "There is reason to be very optimistic...Let's not exaggerrate the scope
of difficulty."
    Addressing the National Press Club, he expressed a "natural reluctance" to
use force to enforce sanctions that could be imposed on the Khmer Rouge for
impeding peace efforts.
    He was less upbeat about managing another sensitive issue -- anti-
Vietnamese feelings that leaders in Phnom Penh fear could erupt in riots
against Vietnamese living in Cambodia.
    "We try our best to contain this problem, to depoliticise it, and we keep
appealing to politicians not to exploit the issue of racial differences...But
the situation of the Vietnamese is one of the most sensitive issues in
Cambodia."
    Akashi spoke ahead of talks at the United Nations in New York from
Wednesday to Friday aimed at rescuing the peace plan signed last October in
Paris by Cambodia's four warring factions.
    The plan, which is supposed to culiminate in elections next May, is being
jeopardised by the Khmer Rouge, which has refused to disarm and gather its
fighters into U.N. camps.
    The faction is blamed for the deaths of a million Cambodians during its
reign of terror from 1975 to 1978.
    Akashi acknowledged differences of opinion among the permanent five members
of the U.N. Security Council -- the United States, Russia, China, France and
Britain -- and other countries involved in the Cambodia peace process -- like
Japan and Australia -- about how to handle the Khmer Rouge.
    U.S. officials have suggested imposing sanctions on the Khmer Rouge or
excluding it from the political process.
    Akashi called these options "stark," stressed the need for the
international community to stay united in its approach to Cambodia and said
there are other ways to influence the recalcitrant rebels, also known as
Democratic Kampuchea
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:45:00 EDT
From:         GYZULAB@IUP.BITNET
Subject:      Anti-Columbus celebration

While the issue of this founding of America has become a controversy, I think
we should at least be sensitive to the feelings of the Indians. Rather than
shun them, give them a chance. That's what makes this world a better place for
everybody!

Peace to the world!

SH
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:55:02 +1000
From:         lulu@COOMBS.ANU.EDU.AU
Subject:      PNG/BOUG: more on conference 2/2

PNG GOVERNMENT SEES INDEPENDENCE AS A SUBSIDIARY ISSUE IN BOUGAINVILLE
PROBLEM
[Pacific Report, vol5, no19 (Oct 10), p 3]

Michael Ogio, PNG Minister of State for Bougainville, told the conference
in a paper delivered by Joe Egilio that the Wingti Government sees the call
for independence for the island as subsidiary to the core issue of the
crisis, which is one of the people and Provincial Government having
received disproportionate economic returns from their natural resources.
   He said the emphasis on economic development rather than social
development had led to the taking up of arms by dissatisfied youth.
   Around 80% of Bougainville's 160,000 people supported the efforts on the
ground of the PNG Government, Ogio said. "We believe the other 20% are not
dissidents but are people who cannot speak freely because of anarchy on the
ground."
   Government objectives on Bougainville were to return to law, order and
peace; to restore legitimate and legal government; to rehabilitate young
people; to resurrect commercial life; to rebuild infrastructure and to
negotiate a lasting political solution.
   In order to achieve these goals the Government aimed to accelerate the
restoration program and the setting up of all the Interim Authorities by
the end of this year; involve the churches and other NGOs in youth
rehabilitation; accelerate dialogue between all political leaders,
including secessionists; create incentives for businesses and ensure that
continuous dialogue will lead to a more structured negotiation process and
thus the achievement of a political settlement.
   The speech said that the machinery of provincial government
administration would be overhauled, the security forces would remain on the
island and continue their work in the restoration program and, as soon as
possible, the Government would reopen the administrative centre in Arawa.
   Ogio's statement said that the Government was well aware ;of the
spillover effects of the crisis in relations with the Solomon Islands and
said that a factor contributing to strains in the relationship had been the
existence of the BRA office in Honiara.
   He said the PNG Government believed that the Mamaloni Government in the
Solomons was moving to close the office.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:09:03 EDT
From:         "(Erwin Brisbanuharto)" <ebrisban@CS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Keep SEASIA-L archives?
              Parker" at Oct 8, 92 4:06 pm

> Should the notebooks of SEASIA-L (this is a copy of every msg. that
> has been posted to the list) be retained?

I think It is very important to keep the archives. Especially for
a new member, he or she can review the old postings before
he/she insult anybody else. We can just learn from old archives
so that we won't make the same mistake over and over.
That's my reason why I reply this e-mail to SEASIA-L so that
everybody knows there is an archive service available for this list.

>    As you can imagine, they are now pretty massive.  Technically,
> there is no problem, but our sponsor still has to pay the bills.
> I am willing to go to them and make a pitch to keep the archives
> if you out there think they are valuable.

Well, if we can keep it, why not? It may cost us a bit, but
it will cost us a lot if we make the same old mistakes
over and over again. I think everybody agrees with that.

Warm regards,
Erwin
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Subject: RE: Seeking info on Malaysian environmental issues
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:11:15 GMT
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To G. Mesher:  Thankyou for your comments.  I am familiar with "Tong Tana"
as well as with "Blowpipes and Bulldozers" and a number of lesser know films.
Two additional questions.  First, re. your suggestion that I message
Postmaster@jaring....., could you tell me who this is so that I know who I
am communicating with.  Second, do you by chance know the date of the NST
article in which Dr. Mahatir was interviewed?  I would definately like to
track that down.  Thanks.
                                              Pete Brosius
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:49:35 +1000
From:         lulu@COOMBS.ANU.EDU.AU
Subject:      PH:MNLF LEADER WANTS TO MEET RAMOS

PHILIPPINES: MNLF LEADER WANTS TO MEET RAMOS IN REBEL ZONE. 10:53
            GMT [REUTR] R49210121412 MANILA, Oct 12, Reuter - Moslem
guerrilla leader Nur Misuari offered on Monday to meet President Fidel
Ramos in a rebel stronghold in the southern Philippines to discuss ending a
20-year-old Moslem separatist rebellion. But the chief of the Moro National
Liberation Front (MNLF) said any formal talks between the government and
rebels on ending the conflict must be held in a "neutral place" under the
auspices of the Islamic Conference Organisation ICO). Ramos refused direct
comment on Misuari's proposal, saying only he was very optimistic his
government and the MNLF would "come to a common ground eventually". "Venue
is really not the main issue here but it is the peace process," Ramos told
a news conference. Misuari, who lives in Saudi Arabia, said in an interview
over a Manila radio station he was ready to return to the Philippines and
meet Ramos. But he suggested that the meeting be held "inside our
homeland", a reference to MNLF strongholds on the southern island of
Mindanao where Moslems are fighting for self-rule. He said the meeting
could take place after the opening of formal peace talks between the
government and MNLF. Misuari was last in the Philippines in 1986 when he
met then president Corazon Aquino in the MNLF bastion of Jolo, a small
island off the Mindanao mainland. The meeting produced a ceasefire between
the two sides. Ramos, who took office in June, has offered peace to MNLF
rebels, communist guerrillas and right-wing army dissidents in a bid to
restore political stability in the country. A Philippine congressional
mission held exploratory talks with Misuari in the Libyan capital Tripoli
last week on the possibility of peace talks. Filipino Moslems, numbering
about five million, are a small minority in this predominantly Roman
Catholic country of 62 million but form a substantial community in
Mindanao. More than 50,000 people died at the height of the rebellion in
the 1970s. Fighting eased after the government of president Ferdinand
Marcos signed an agreement with Misuari in Tripoli in 1976 calling for
autonomy in 13 Mindanao provinces. But the MNLF guerrillas refused to lay
down their arms, charging that the Moslem-run regional government set up by
Manila in Mindanao enjoyed very little autonomy. "I don't want Mindanao to
become a battleground again," Misuari said in the interview. "I don't want
the people of Mindanao to suffer again only because of the lack of
political will to restore peace in the area." (c) Reuters Limited REUTER
GENERAL NEWS
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:33:00 CDT
From:         TL0GAO1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Journal on SEA

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:21:17 CDT
From:         "(joseph stimpfl)" <jstimpfl@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Woow ...
              92 10:13 am

Syabas, Djoko.

Joseph Stimpfl
Dept of Anthropology
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
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Subject: PNG: Provincial govt reform
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:25:52 GMT
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From a item in the Papua New Guinea Post-Courier [2 October 1992, PM
OUTLINES GOVERNMENT PLANS TO RUN PROVINCES] comes news that Prime Minister
Paias Wingti plans to "overhaul the provincial government system and reduce
the number of provincial politicians on the public payroll..'. Wingti made
this known during a speech to the Port Moresby Chamber of Commerce titled
"The Cost of Maintaining Provincial Governments in PNG" recently.

Details of the proposed reform have not been released, but the legislative
bill will be presented to Parliament in next month's budget session, but it
appears that the proposals for reform will aim to make more provincial
governments more effective in providing goods and services to the people.
Some powers now in the hands of provincial officials will devolve to
national MP; a review of the current system, and 'streamlining' of certain
provincial functions, (handling of the provincial sales tax and provincial
investments being particularly pointed out in this regard) would be
undertaken.

Mr Wingti said: "When our Constitutional Planning Committee first proposed
a decentralised system of government in the form of the present provincial
government system, they invisaged a system that would bring goods and
services closer to the people. Seventeen years later, that noble goals has
yet to see the light."

He compared PNG to New Zealand which has only 98 MPs, whereas PNG taxpayers
support 659 politicians, 240 of whom are provincial ministers. Mr Wingti
said the annual wage bill for provincial MPs was three times that of New
Zealands's entire parliament. Emphasising the need to get value from PNG's
109 national MPs, Wingti said: "These 109 MPs have to be more meaningfully
involved in grassroots affairs..We should be happy with just 109 MPs, not a
massive 659".

He pointed to the provincial governments' inefficiencies, lack of planning
and divisiveness:  "Over half of the provincial governments have been
suspended for gross mismanagement and corruption at one time or
another...We want a nation which is strong - not divided by petty regional
loyalites, fostered by self-serving, well paid provincial meambers."

Mr Wingti expects fierceobjectioins to his plans, especially by those
provincial officials who stand to lose their perks and privileges, but he
is prepared to risk his position to see the legislation through - right now
he is touring the country to try to 'sell' his ideas for provincial reform.

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