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From: nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Mythology questions 
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:26:25 GMT

Kambiz Iranpour Mobarekeh (kambizm@fidibus.uio.no) wrote:
: 
: I am looking for the names of some mythological personalities
: whom I read about  once. One is the guy who still rolls
: a stone up the hill again and again. 

	Sisyphos.

: The other is one who is 
: thirsty standing in a river in Hades trying to drink water but
: the water disappears each time. What was his name. 

	Tantalos.  English gets the word "tantalize" from his punishment.

: Third question
: is was it Ogyas (or Ogias) barns which were cleaned by Hercul?

	Herakles (Latinized to Hercules) cleaned the stables of King Augeas. 
You may be thinking of the island of Ogygia, where Odysseus was restrained
by the nymph Kalypso after his Great Wanderings and before he returns to
Ithaka.

: 
: 
:                               Thank you
:                                 Persian king  Kambiz (Cambyses as the
:                                                       greeks say)

Neil Bernstein
struggling Classics major
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:12:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1aumhlINNr4o@agate.berkeley.edu>, sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
writes:
Regarding enosis:
>of Greek Cypriots or the Greek Cypriot people. There were many more active
>supporters from the "motherland," like Grivas. And one should not forget

George Grivas was a Cypriot from the village of Trikomo. You must be proud
that now that village is under Turkish occupation.

>> Theodore David
>> 	Well, that's an easy one. Because 'Hellenism' does not "frequently"
>> means 'Greeks'; it is the SAME thing. From Webster's dictionary:
>> 	Hel-len-ic: of or relating to Greece, its people or its language.
>> 	Hel-len-ism : Greek civilization.
>
> You are not saying the same thing. The main question is what is the
>job of "-ism" there?

"-ism" is just a Greek suffix that converts a noun to another expressing
the property of being of the first noun. Well, something like that.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Albanians and Pseudo-Macedonia
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:11:24 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <BvzBAM.6Cv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
 >  I have said several times, that the name "Republic of Slavic Macedonia"
 >  is fine with me.
What do you think the non-slavs would say to that (you mentioned 40%
Albanians).
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Some netters (was: Re: MIRacles No. 13)
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:02:55 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <1992Oct8.173633.3090@cs.mcgill.ca>, by filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU):
> Well, Mr. Fear, as well as a number of other netters, simply post for the
> sake of posting.  He claims to be always open-minded, never biased, and
> certainly well-informed!  But, on the contrary, ...

I think this is a way of saying that some of us dare to question the
Greek government's line on Macedonia. I should look around a bit if you
think we're the only ones. Articles critising Greece's intransigence have
now appeared in both the premier right and left wing weeklies in England and now one has
appeared in Time magazine as well. Greece is loosing a lot of friends
through persisting in her unreasonable attitude to the Republic of Macedonia.


> .... he comes to say that the occupation of the northern part of 
> Cyprus by the Turkish Army for the past eighteen years is a legitimate 
> action of the Turkish State (yes, Mr. Fear, you have said this and 
> other obsurdities in your previous postings :-)).

I'll say it again if you like. The Turkish intervention in Cyprus was
perfectly justified and probably saved the lives of vast numbers of
Turkish Cypriots. The reality of today's world, whether it is liked or
not, is that there are two countries on the Island of Cyprus.


> He even goes on to tell them -- i.e., the Greeks -- that their history
> does not have any continuity through time and, hence, should never be used
> in today's political debates:

I have still to see any convincing argument that today's politics should
be determined by the state of the world 2,500 years ago. Why not decide
on 5,000 years ago or even the lower cretaceous? If people prostitute ancient
history for modern-day political ends I shall protest about it. It is
irritating, to put it mildly, to see something you care about abused.

> But, from now on, also myself, I'll be blind.  
> You have just joined "M.utlu" in my KILL file Mr. Fear :-)

Well there's nothing like debating the issues is there. The problem is
of course that behaving like an ostrich will not make the issue go away.
You can't abolish 2 million or so Macedonians just because you don't
like the fact of their existence. Isn't it time we all started thinking
about the state of the world rather than nationalistic fantasy and mythology?

Andy
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9742 soc.culture.turkish:10658
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Neden havlar bu tamtamlar palik aksaniyla?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:56:46 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct15.132818.616@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD) writes:

>Den kserw ean i kybernisi zitise na mi ginei to sylallitirio
>stin Thessaloniki. Ean einai alitheia, kala ekane o kosmos kai
>den akouse tin kybernisi (oi dikoi mou itan ekei, alla den mou
>eipan oti zitise i kybernisi kati tetoio). Apo tin alli, oloi

Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla 
        Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.

pp. 455-456.

"Simdi Savur'da yasayan memleketi Bitlis olan 40 yasinda Isa oglu 
 Haydar'in yeminli ifadesi:

 1915 yilinin subat ayinda ailemle Bitlis'in bir koyu olan Tako'da 
 bulunuyordum. Yolda Bitlis halkindan bir kafile gorunce, gidislerinin
 sebebini sordum. Bunlar bana sehrin ansizin Rus ve Ermeni birlikleri
 tarafindan basildigini, bu birliklerin daha ziyade Ermeniler tarafindan
 teskil edildigini, rastladiklari Islamlari kadin, erkek ve cocuk 
 ayirmaksizin sungu darbeleriyle oldurduklerini soylediler.

 Haber salmam uzerine Bitlis'in Kersan mahallesinde oturan Suleyman
 oglu Ali asagidakileri anlatti. Kardeslerim Ismail ve Halil kapilarinin
 esiginde Ermeniler tarafindan oldurulmuslerdi. Haci Alinin oglu
 kayinbiraderim Yusuf'u oldurmusler ve halasi Sakir'in kizi olan
 Mercan rezilane suikastler maksadiyla cete tarafindan goturulmustur.
 Hasta olan komsum Seyh Harzan Ahmet yataginda karisi Semo ve 
 hizmetcilerinden bir tanesi oldurulmustu. Seyhi ziyarete gelmis olan
 Mustafa oglu Recep'in de mukadderati ayni olmustur. Ismail Kilincizade
 oglu Hasan kendisinden buyuk bir fidye alinmasina ragmen Suleyman 
 Yusufzadenin evinin yakininda oldurulmustur. Oglu Izzet ve Haci 
 Nasullah'in oglunu kasatura darbeleriyle oldurmuslerdir. 80 lik bir
 kadin olan Ahlatli Niger ve Tero'un hasta karisi Bezirgan Cilvinzade
 Ismail oglu Halil, Ahmet oglu Mehmet, kardesim Mithat Efendi ve amcasi
 50 yaslarinda olan Seyh Hafi kar ve sogugun siddetine ragmen acik 
 bas ve yalinayakla angarya yapmaya ve uzak mesafelere agir yukler
 tasimaya mecbur edilmislerdi. Bunun uzerine Bitlis'e gitmeye cesaret
 edemiyerek koyume, Yako'ya dondum."

p. 458.

 "Hafif Suvari Alayi Komutani Nuh Beyin ifadesi:

 1915 Subat ayinda Rus saldirisi esnasinda Mus vadisinde bulunan 
 bilhassa Kolisek, Zikzak, Varsad, Abzit, Kurni, Pav, Capkis, Agudat,
 Sipahiyan, Suspiret, Til, Tekmal, Norkak koyleri tamamiyle yikildi..."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis)
Subject: Re: Boycott TIME magazine
Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:46:42 GMT

In article 20388@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU, sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.050259.26039@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes:
>>
>>Most of you have probably read Talbott's article in TIME magazine
>>14th October under the America Abroad section.  He slammed Greece
>>with so much rubbish that it is amazing Time magazine is considered
>>a serious "News" magazine.
>
>>I call on everyone to boycott TIME magazine.  Write a letter telling
>>them how much you object to Talbot's malakies.  Cancel any subscriptions
>>and hit them where it hurts.  O palio pousths o Talbott o Skopianos tha
>>plhrwsei mia mera tis malakies tou.
>
>.... but what happens when they eventually find something positive to
>write about Mitsotakis's Greece. Do we all rush to resubscribe to TIME???
>If we follow this example, we will end up boycotting the entire non-Greek
>dominated media, and we will have nothing of value left to read. 
>I guess there is truth to the saying:
>
>     "Time does tell all truths (and heals all wounds) ..."


Talbott has been payed off.  TIME magazine and every other magazine should
be objective and give us facts get it?? FACTS not bullshit that cannot
be substantiated and proven.  I see you are from Australia then you are fully 
aware of the expansionist policies of your fellow Skopians and the 
advertisements in the papers showing a map including a third of Greece
as territory that will eventually be recovered by Tito's commies the 
Skopians!!  Fortunately the Albanians and so many other nationalities that
live within your border wont give you the time to even dare make a move 
but it is outstanding to see what chaos communism has left behind.



ELLAS ELLAS MACEDONIA.  MAY LOGIC AND PEACE PREVAIL ...

>
>
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Albanians and Pseudo-Macedonia
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:37:22 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <Bvzu4s.Cz3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
 > dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
 > 
 > >In article <BvzBAM.6Cv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
 > > >  I have said several times, that the name "Republic of Slavic Macedonia"
 > > >  is fine with me.
 > >What do you think the non-slavs would say to that (you mentioned 40%
 > >Albanians).
 >  So, you are worried about what the non-slavs are going to say, but on
 >  the other hand you think that Greeks should close their mouth and
 >  accept the use of their name Macedonia from some non-Greeks.
 > 
 >  Thank you very much for your understanding.
 > 
Do you really think that the Albanian part of the population would accept to
be called "Slavic Macedonians" as you suggest?  The situation is quite
dissimilar to the Greek objection to the name of Macedonia.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MIRacles No. 13
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:12:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

To Richard Wallace:

Hello again,

I have two suggestions for your question about the Macedonian
Star and related stuff:

1. Why don't you try the publications by the archaeologist that
actually discovered that emblem? Namely the late Dr Manolis
Andronikos. I am certain that you could follow up the
references that he mentions. Note: In Greece, this emblem is
known as "The Sun of Vergina"; noone in Greece (as far as I can
remember) ever called it a "Star" (Gold -> Sun, Silver -> Moon,
etc normally).

2. Try the (related) publications from Oxford and Cambridge.
But be careful. The term 'Greek' was not always in use to
describe all Greeks. Remember the term(s) Homer used for this
purpose. Also don't try "soc.culture.greek". For highly
specialist discussions, you should try (I think)
"comp.classics". We are here to make discussions, express
opinions and mainstream (with some exceptions) data. I don't
think anybody here is a PhD in archaeology.

Regards

Panayotis

PS I don't think Panos Tamamides should have used the
expression mentioned. If somebody has a certain view (e.g. A.
T. Fear) and behaves like St Thomas, well, Jesus does not
(necessarily) have to descend for his favour.
--
UUCP:      pef@qmw-dcs.uucp  | Computer Science Dept    | "H Rwmania
Internet:  pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | QMW University of London |  kai an
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Posting articles
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.204204.5997@bradford.ac.uk> A.Bulogiorgos@bradford.ac.uk (A BULOGIORGOS) writes:
>Can somebody tell me how can I post an article which I have typed with the
>Text editor from Open Windows 3?  I thought vi should be only but a bad
>experience to all of those who have experienced the horror of Unix.
>
>   Why should I have to type 'i' to start typing text? Isn't it obvious
>when someone is opening an editor wants to type something? 
>

	The first thing I did when I opened this editor (vi) was to press the down arrow
because I wanted to scip all that you have written to reply. The vi editor is best
for writting programs on a vt100 terminal when you did not want to get out of the editor to
compile. 

>Achilleas Bulogiorgos
>
>O Complexikos

	George
\
From: sadi@physics3 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Analogies Re: Turkish Logic
Date: 9 Oct 1992 06:35:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics3.berkeley.edu

In article <718488614@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>> Sorry. For 18%, it meant exchange of colonizers for the worse.
>>Now, tell me what is wrong with a free and independent Cyprus?
>>Why was this "union" so important that, some people contributed
>>to its destruction. If there weren't this uncompromising attitude
>>of some Enosis supporters, the Republic of Cyprus could have worked.
>
>
>
>      That's not the point, Sadi.  There's nothing wrong with
>      an independent, multicultural Republic of Cyprus, but
>      when an overwhelming majority of the population favors
>      union with Greece, their wishes must be respected.
>      This is a principle of democracy.

 Not for me. Even if a party have the support of the 80% of the
population, the other 20% cannot be silenced, no matter what.
The problem of Cyprus was a quarrel between satisfying the
"wishes" of 80% of the population and the wishes of 100% of the
population. Why do you think that Turkish Cypriots resisted to
Enosis demands. Just for fun?

>      However, if you support the separation of Cyprus into
>      two distinct states -- as it appears you do -- please
>      tell me what is your attitude in connection with the
>      desire of Kurds to secede from Turkey.

 You tell me, since you are so interested in commenting on Turkish Kurds.
I  know people, who find it easier to grant independance to Turkish
Kurds than to give a quarter to pan-handlers. Since, you have found the
analogy, answer these questions: Do you think it is necessary to form
an independant Kurdish state on Eastern Anatolia. Do you think, Turkish
Cypriots have the right to secede? Why?

>-- Eduard Wiener

 Saygilarimla,
 Sadi Turgut
-- 
  The Greeks have survived in spite of all the world could
do against them, and all they could do against themselves.
              --Sir Winston Churchill
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:44:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1aumvpINNr5l@agate.berkeley.edu>, sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
writes:
>In article <Oct06.194326.38784@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>
>> It's based on the desire of the majority of the Cypriots to unite Cyprus
>> with Greece. Don't forget that in 1939 Hatay that had a 60 percent Turkish
>> population united itself with Turkey. The idea of enosis is contemporary
>> to that event. Why couldn't Cyprus which had 80 percent Greek population
>> unite itself with Greece?
>
> Sorry. For 18%, it meant exchange of colonizers for the worse.

Colonizers? Get real.

>Now, tell me what is wrong with a free and independent Cyprus?

Nothing wrong. But the Turkish side wants partition (taksim).

>Why was this "union" so important that, some people contributed
>to its destruction. If there weren't this uncompromising attitude
>of some Enosis supporters, the Republic of Cyprus could have worked.

Enosis was not the problem. Taksim was. The Turkish Cypriot leadership
tried hard to pick a fight with the Greek Cypriots and justify a Turkish
intervention. This is something said by the first Turkish ambassador to
Cyprus. I can provide details if you missed my early September posting
on this.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: et1@cec1.wustl.edu (Evangelos Tozakoglou)
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:07:18 GMT


So can I post in S.C.G. ?
Or our server is broken once again ?
What happen to hellas ?
What is a bogus Newsgroup ?


To Be, or not to Be ?

Vangelis

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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: An article about Macedonia in TIME (october 12, 1992)
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>  The following is a very interesting article about Macedonia published
>  in TIME. ( typed without permission).
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>                  GREECE'S DEFENSE SEEMS JUST SILLY


 Consider the source. With diminishing readership and other problems,
TIME has been putting its foot in its mouth more and more frequently
recently. Consider the shameless article of eight months ago, entitled
"Why the voters don't trust Clinton". Yes, the issue with the black and
white negative of Clinton in the front page, the issue that (very
symbolically) was chosen to be the first in the much advertised "New
Format" of TIME magazine. Turns out that the new format meant
abandonment of basic journalistic principles, and unconditional
surrender to the extreme right wing, in order to revive sales.

 In spite of the TIME article, Clinton won the democratic nomination
and now leads in the polls. So much for vision into the future. Now, the
"Negative" TIME cover is featured prominently in the most hideous,
below-the-beltline, mud-to-the-core ad by the George Bush team against
Clinton.

 The TV ad begins with Clinton's face taking up the whole screen, with
the announcer making distorted accusations against Clinton, in the style
of the Willie Horton and Boston Harbor ads of 1988. As we zoom away, we
realise that the picture of Clinton is in fact the TIME cover, with
the words "Why the Voters don't trust Clinton" on the top. The cover has
been photographically negated so that the picture appears normal.
Finally, the negative filter is removed, so that we see Mr. Clinton's
face in negative, as the TIME cover actually appeared in the
news-stands.

 TIME used to be a good journal. Not any more. For years now, TIME has
been the National Enquirer of the extreme right.

Michael
                                                                                              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: hakan's boasting again...
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:52:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: kocrsw06.9210161752.AA08097
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

Hakan writes:
> Well, well, well. How about working on DOS for 8 years, and 3 years
> UNIX experience? It seems that you know only DOS. himmm. I like
> DOS more than UNIX maybe because of my 50 Mhz EISA 486 computer, with 128 
> Mbyte of memory (special design of Mylex), 4 Megs cache SCSI-2 controller, 
> 665 Mbytes of Microscience Hard Drive (13msec), 1.3 Gigabyte HP rewritable 
> optical compact disk 70 msec, 40 Mhz 25 MIPS TMS34020-40 image processing 
> card with 68 Mbytes of 2-port RAM. Of course I shouldn't forget 17 inch SVGA 
> monitor and 21 Inch RGB monitor attached to image board and finally 2 CCD 
> cameras, 1 NTSC camera attached to video image processing card. I will tell 
> you something about Sparc 2 on my desk later if you continue to say something
> about your low-level 50 Mhz Motherboard :-)....

Gee, the fact that Michael's computer, lowly as it is, belongs to him, while
yours belongs to the university (which paid for the goodies :-)) never
occured to you :-)

Anyway, I guess I'm outclassed by either of you, with just a gateway 486/33.
4 mb ram, 200 mb disk, and dos 5.0... (and only a soundblaster pro & modem).

Spiros (low tech these days)
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