From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: What is "Purify" ? (Ostriches)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:42:51 GMT
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Organization: The Internet


> From SNAIL@lsl.co.uk Tue Jul 28 03:14:47 1992
> Ooops, upset a few people with my ostriches comment. Well you obviously live in
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> SPARC 2, HP 700 Snakes, Data Gneeral, IBM RS/6000. Now Motif is available and
> is non-proprietry, OpenWindows is not. So I support MOTIF. We don't know 
> anyone that uses OpenWindows, you see a few competitors a exhibitions, but 
> they also support MOTIF (and I don't just mean running mwm either).
> 
 Last time I checked whole XView3 and olwm was available for ftp
from export.lcs.mit.edu
As a matter of Fact I ftp'd the whole thing and ported it to a
concurrent 7000 machine. Now we are in the process of converting
some GUI apps. to OW. Note that I said olwm and NOT OpenLook.
Besides all this is available without any licensing fees source
or binary since whole thing , ie. XView3 and olwm is part of
the X11R5 contributed software.. So I don't quite understand
the proprietary part. How does the fact that OW is free thru
ftp and Motif requires licensing fees for sources,binaries and distribution
makes OW proprietary but Motif not... I must be missing something...
The only way I could consider Motif non-proprietary is if they
put the sources to contrib directory at export.lcs.... and
do not require licensing fees. Like Sun has done with XView3,OW and
LispView. (And rumor has it that NeWS maybe next!!!). Besides I love
the NeWS PostScript support ( but would love to see DisplayPostScript
 from Adobe instead)
I have 2 SparcStations at home so I may be tainted.(understatement)
But I also am very friendly with about 25 SparcStations and still 
have not seen one with Motif on it. They doubtless exist. As
a matter of fact I heard that there are some here in this
company.But I have not seen them yet.We are also currently in process
of Acquiring SCO ODT2.0  because it comes with XView and olwm.
I was going to port it to SCO but found out that they have already
done it. Metrolink also has X11R5 and XView3 on OpenWindows for SCO
available which we are also acquiring. Sounds cheap ($300)for 
XView functionality.
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> 
> Regards
> 
> Stephen Kellett
> snail@lsl.co.uk
> 

PS: We also program using XView in ADA but have decided not to pursue it
until XView bindings become available for other platforms.All the vendors
we have contacted try to sell us Motif bindings. I know that Stars Motif
bindings are available but we'd rather not pay the runtime licensing fees for Motif
so we are using Xt bindings until XView/OLIT bindings become available
for All the platforms.... If worst comes to worst we'd have to port them
ourselves.(We in this posting means my small organization which also has many
different beliefs and opinions as is the case in any organization).

Regards 
Sinan

 Disclaimer: These are my opinions (which should be obvious) and not necessarily 
             of my employer.
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions (which should be obvious) and not necessarily 
             of my employer.
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions (which should be obvious) and not necessarily 
             of my employer.
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             of my employer
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