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From: u8acb@ohm.york.ac.uk (Alex Barclay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: more than two H/Ds. Is this possible?
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:36:37 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1992Apr3.204041.3732@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes:

>ys@wam.umd.edu () writes:
>: In article <chchoi.920402002546@banana.cse.eng.auburn.edu> chchoi@eng.auburn.edu (Cheong Hyeon Choi) writes:
>: >
>: > Hi. I just know that each machine can have at most two h/ds. I like to know
>: >why. The limitation is dependent on DOS, isn't it? Otherwise hardware 
>: >dependent?
Nothing to do with hardware or DrOSs :-)

>: The fact is I beleive that the BIOS won't recognize the 3rd HD. At least in
>: the AMI BIOS, it has configuration for upto 2 floppies and 2 HD, but I'm 
>: sure there must be a way to get around this, because I've seen controller
>: cards that support more than 2 HD's.
I beileve that the two HD limit is imposed by the device BIOS I'm
probably going to get horribly flamed for this but surely cards that
support more than two like the SCSI ones must be written differently.

>There is a very good way to get more than 2 HD's, in fact up to 7, or a mix
>of HD's, tapes, CDROM's, etc. It is called SCSI.
Good point. But isn't this getting back to the argument of the device
BIOS knowing about more devices.

Look guys doesn't anyone remember seeing those cute little
DEVICE=THIRDHD.SYS in their config.sys Of course DOS can handle
more than two HD's I know I don't like DOS but you have to 
give it a small ammount of credit every now and again :-)

			Alex.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: Iskandar Taib <ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: OS/2 and AMI Incompatability
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:53:08 -0500

Quick question:

Do you run Windows apps off the PM (or whatever its
called now) desktop or do you still open up a Win-
dows window? If the latter I'd rather not use it..


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From: km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ke-Wei Ma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: affordable 24 bit colour
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:04:11 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 14-Apr-92 affordable 24
bit colour by Bram@fwi.uva.nl 
> It features 1024x768/256 but also 800x600 in 64K colours, and top of
> the bill: 640x480 in 16 Meg colours (yep that's true 24 bit colour :-)
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Maybe I am confused but 16 Meg colours is 16*1024=16,384 while 24
bit colour is 2^24=16,777,216.  My conclusion is that if you purchase
this card (I have no idea what the specs are other than what you have
mentioned) then you will be short-changed 16,777,216-16,384=16,760,832
colours.  
    I believe this Hi-color card only offers 18-bit color (or something
like that) and NOT TRUE 24-BIT.  Just take this with a grain of salt
before purchase.


Ke-Wei
From: mingmar@cs.mcgill.ca (Ming MAR)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: re: Help with an old Irwin 20 meg tape drive.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:03:58 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In <1992Mar25.040723.15154@wam.umd.edu> mts@wam.umd.edu writes:

>I have a few questions about an Irwin tape drive.  The drive is a
>20 meg tape backup I think that its the Irwin 125.  The first
>question is where can I buy tapes for this?

I have an old Irwin 20-MB tape backup.  I don't know what model
it is.  I bought a DC2000 tape from a local computer store.

>The second question is how do I hook this thing up?

I hooked mine up to the floppy disk controller.

>I have tried hooking it up as drive B but when I try to access
>it, it just uses drive A and asks me to insert a disk and hit
>enter (BTW I currently have 1 40meg HD and one 1.2 meg floppy
>attached)

To my knowledge, Irwin doesn't make a tape backup that emulates a
floppy disk (so-called floppy tape).

>Do I need special driver software for it to work?

You need Irwin's EzTape program in order to format, backup, and
restore.

>I know the one we have at work just calls the tape drive drive E
>so how does this work?

If you have this at work, then you should be able to copy the
necessary software.  Otherwise, you'll have to phone Irwin.  My
tape drive has jumpers with 4 possible positions.  Position 1
works with drive B, so I guess maybe position 4 works with drive
E.  I haven't tried playing with the jumpers.

>Oh one last question how do I set it up in my CMOS setup it only
>has support for 360,740,1.2,1.4 drives it is Award bios.

I don't know if it makes a difference.  My floppy disk controller
was set to 1.2, but that was because I pulled it off a 1.2 floppy
disk drive.
From: jwl3885@zeus.tamu.edu (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 386-40 Motherboard - Advice Wanted
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:55:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <44433@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jbradsha@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes...
>right ($350-$400).  However, I've never dealt with any 386-40's and would
>like any suggestions on the purchase. Are they reliable? Would I be better


I just upgraded to a 386-40.  I had to choose between a 386-40@$400 and a 
486-33@$700-$800.  I chose the 386-40 because the norton SI for the 386
was a 49.5, on the 486-33 it was a 50.4.  Pretty minor difference in speed.
No FPU, but I don't need one...  Any way, I saw no reason to buy a 486...
yet...  Maybe when the price/performance is a little more reasonable.

Cheers,
John
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From: erich@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Horst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Populating an IBM 8514/A: Still trying!
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:04:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.203607.16247@athena.mit.edu> bjaspan@athena.mit.edu (Barr3y Jaspan) writes:
>>
>>I am still trying to fully populate my IBM 8514/A video card.  I have been
>>told that I need 24 pin 64Kx4 dual ported video ram, DIP package.  No one that
>>I've talked to seems to carry it.

>A few sources you may try:

>1) IBM - very expensive, but guranteed to work

>2) Jameco Electronics - they carry everything else, why not this.

>3) Read the back pages of PC week, if you can get a copy (I can't get
>   it anymore, now that I quit my job to return to school...) and look
>   at all the vendors selling memory for all different kinds of
>   systems, someone's got to have it.

>4) Attend a local computer flea-market.  You'd be surprised what you
>   may find at one.

>5) If worse comes to worst, compare the cost of IBM memor with an ATI
>   8514/Ultra (pre-populated with 1MB)

According to PS/2 Assistant v47, dated 17 Feb 1992 the price of the 8514/A 
memory expansion kit (1887989:#4081) is $109.00.  I don't call that *very*
expensive, especially if it will work for sure.   Unless you can scam an 
ATI Ultra off of Gateway for $195 you'll pay close to $500 for an Ultra.

The last thing I like to do is stick components in my system that some dork 
salesman says is compatable.  

--Eric
From: unicorn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Mika Saari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: RENDALE
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:04:32 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland

I beg somebody to contact me if somebody knows something about RENDALE
Limited. I have Rendale's genlock and i don't know how to use it
or how to make cabels to that machine !
Thank you !

unicorn@phoenix.oulu.fi
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:55:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Motherboard Upgrades....
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware


> Also, the 386Sx is mounted on a daugther board module.  Gateway never 
> advertised the system as upgradeable (I'm sure they would prefer to sell me
> a new system), but have any third party companies come up with a 486 
> daugtherboard?  I know it could be done...

   Give Gateway a call.  A guy I work with bought a 286 system and about
9 months later decided it was too wimpy for the work he was doing.  He
gave them a call and they allowed him to use his full purchase price 
towards a 386 system even though prices had come down in the mean time.
A phone call couldn't hurt.

Ken
From: mo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mohit Goyal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: FOREX chipsets, are they any good? Advice wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:15:54 GMT
Reply-To: mo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mohit Goyal)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: mo@mickey.cc.utexas.edu


 Hello.  I am condsidering buying a 386-40 motherboard with a FOREX chipset.
I am looking for any advice/information on this chipset.  Are they any good?
Do they run well in 386-40's?  Please hit 'r' and reply directly to me, and
I will post a summary, or hit 'f' and reply to this newsgroup.
Thanks.
From: jorourke@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason O'Rourke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: What is a Weitek coprocessor?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:51:08 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In addition, Weitek is about to release a high speed video card.  Given
their performance record with math chips, this could be something to
look for!
jason o'rourke
From: jeff@wa.msc.edu (Jeff Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Does SAM's make schematics for Zenith laptop computers?
Keywords: sam's Zenith
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:43:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: uc.1992Apr13.234351.20838
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN

In article <mikelle.10@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> mikelle@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Eddie Mikell) writes:
>Greetings:
>
>I am working on a power problem on my Zenith laptop.  ...
>There was a company that puts out schematics for Televisions, and I believe 
>the company was called SAM's or something like that.
>Does this company make schematics for computers?  

They might have schematics for generic computers (i.e. here is how a computer
works), but I can't imagine they would (or could) supply schematics for the
many hundreds of different style mother boards that exist today (how would
they even get them?).

>Does anyone know how I can contact these people or anyone who could supply 
>schematic info???

Have you tried Zenith?  I have had some Heath/Zenith computers and had
schematics for all of them.

-Jeff
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Help: My PC gives beeps when Turned ON!
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:00:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.214314.13508@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> sundaram@eecae.msu.edu writes:
>
>Hi,
>I have  a 286 PC that I have connected to a Novell LAN at work. When I turn it
>on it gives me Beeping noises instead of booting up. If you can help me 
>please send me mail at "sundaram@egr.msu.edu". 
>
>Thanks
>
>Divya
>
>(sundaram@egr.msu.edu)

Forget the outside help - contact your lan manager where you are.

-steve

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: tnsturm@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Torsten Sturm)
Subject: Re: GRAVIS ULTRASOUND -- NEW INFO (Long!)
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:54:33 GMT

I saw the ULTRASOUND card at the CeBit 92 in Hannover/Germany
at the Logitech site (Logitech seems to have sponsored it).
The demos looked (or sounded ?) really great, and the 
price is incredible !!!!!

Torsten
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: for Pat Gremo
Organization: Cyberdyne Systems Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 03:15:12 GMT

Much apologies for the bandwidth...

Pat, I've tried several times to mail you, but it keeps bouncing.

Please e-mail me again and provide every piece of routing information
you can provide. This is frustrating. 

Hope you don't feel like I've been ignoring you. I do want to talk,
but exams and projects and stupid mailers are getting in the way.

So please get back to me at your earliest convenience.

Sincerely,

Ice.
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From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: WORLD-WIDE SHORTAGE OF 3.5" DISKS
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:59:09 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

In article <1992Apr7.142624.29747@a.cs.okstate.edu> ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG) writes:
>From article <1868@wrdis01.af.mil>, by swsmith@wrdis01.af.mil (Scott Smith):
>> Hello Netlanders,
>>         I contacted a mailorder company yesterday to purchase some
>> 3.5' ds/hd disks. They told me that there was a three week delay on
>> all 3.5 disks due to a world-wide shortage. I've seen these disks in
>> Walmart/ K-mart for about $12 so what gives? By the way, these 1.44MB
>> disks cost $.55 each in lots of 50. They been used once and bulk
>> erased, come with the standard disk guarantee, and are already
>> labeled.
>>         Sure this is a great price, but is there really a shortage on
>> 3.5 disks? Wasn't there a worldwide shortage on harddisks last month?
>> What's next?
>>         If anyone else has heard of the "world-wide" shortage, please
>> let me know.
>
>I read rumors in the trade papers saying that even Borland had to beg
>Microsoft for some 3.5HD disks for their production use.

We have a serious shortage here in Germany, and our rumour has it that the
asian manufacturers artificially introduced this shortage because the prices
had gotten too low.

[If anyone can sell me 1000 HD and 5000 DD 3.5" disks in bulk, please contact
 me immediately :-)]

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From: romash@BBN.COM (Cliff Romash)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.m68k
Subject: 68020 Board for PC/AT bus
Date: 13 Apr 1992 19:05:24 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: data.bbn.com

I am looking to find out if anyone knows of any hardware products that
consist of a 68020 board that will run on a PC/AT bus. We need several
high speed synchronous ports and a 68020 processor with ram in order to
combine a PC based application with a 68020 application that is written in
assembler.

Please reply by email to "romash@bbn.com"


Cliff Romash
From: v085khdn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Geo @UB)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Motherboard Upgrades....
Date: 5 Apr 92 18:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <29DF1D1C.22295@ics.uci.edu>, ddoherty@ics.uci.edu (Donald Doherty) writes...
>In article <1992Apr4.221718.24395@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085khdn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Geo @UB) writes:
> 
>>upgrade to 8 megs, but that would only take care of some of the problems (It 
>>takes 20 seconds to redraw an Excel chart with four series of 1250 data points.)
> 
>BTW, do you have a math coprocessor?  :^)
> 
>Don

No.. And given that they're only about $130, I could spring for one soon,
but since upgrading (to a higher processor) sometime is inevitable, I hate
to spend money on a chip I'll just be getting rid of soon...
From: youngdah@nic.gac.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Bios-Update for Diamond-Stealth
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:28:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr6.142844.661
Reply-To: youngdah@nic.gac.edu

In article <1992Apr6.005902.4737@alcbase.gun.de>  writes:
> Does anybody know, where to get the newest Bios- and Windows Driver
> Versions for the Diamond Stealth video board.
> 
> Preferably as files (the Eprom contents)!!
> 
> IMO the latest releases are:
> 
> BIOS 2.30
> Drivers 1.20 or 2.30 (are identical)
> 
> Please mail me if you know where to get them!!
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Erik

Speaking of the Diamond Stealth... there was word that the people who
designed the S3 had come up with a TSR that fixed the VESA compatability 
problems.  Does anyone know if this TSR is available on the internet, or
if Diamond is shipping it?  

Thanks

Ben

youngdah@nic.gac.edu
From: mplumpe@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Plumpe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: ATI 8514/Ultra and Feature Connector
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:45:37 GMT
Reply-To: mplumpe@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Plumpe)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


    Hi there.  I just purchased an ATI 8514/Ultra.  My problem is that
the feature connector on my current graphics card is not the same as
the cable provided by ATI.  The cable provided by ATI has a connetor
for a card edge, 32 pin connector with a slot between pins 3&5 on one
side, and 4&6 on the other side.  My current VGA card does not have
this same arrangement.  Its pins are numbered 1-13 on one side, and
there is no slot.  (Oops, that should be 26, not 32 above.)  I beleive
that the card is a Paradise 1024 VGA card (256k of ram, upgradeable
to .5M.)  Does anyone know if the connector on my VGA card is standard,
or willI have to get a new card instead of a new connector?
    Thanks for any help you can give.

    Please respond via email, as I am quite behind on my reading of
the news.

    Michael D. Plumpe
EE major at Virginia Tech
mplumpe@oasys.dt.navy.mil
mplumpe@systemplumpe.async.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Does AUTOCAD kill harddrives???     
From: l_seibert@wrglex
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:03:18 MEZ
Organization: TEC Systems KATEC/GRACE GmbH, Maintal-Drnigheim, Germany

We use a 386 PC for an electrical application, which is based on AutoCAD V11.
After about one and a half year of use we have a lot of trouble with our
harddisk. Our vendor claims that this is a known poblem with AutoCAD that the
disks are heavily a accessed and fail after one or two year. He is willing to
sell a new one, but we have to expect that it will break within the next 24
month. So I have the following questions.

1 Has anyone made the same experience, that AutoCAD _kills_ the harddisk?

2 If so, has anybody a suggestion, how to extend the lifetime of the disk?

3 I saw that some manufactors sell harddrives with a 5-year-warrenty. Will the
  use of AutoCAD be cover by the warrenty?

4 Or is everything mentioned above only a stupid excuse for the bad quality of
  the harddisk?

Thanks in advance

Lars
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From: discar@manta.NOSC.MIL (Joe Discar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: dos driver for Always 2000 scsi controller
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:03:34 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1855@acf5.NYU.EDU> mhc6312@acf5.NYU.EDU (Myung H. Cho) writes:
>Is there a dos driver for the Always 2000 scsi controller that can support more then 2 harddrives at one time? If so, where can I get it?
>
>Myung Cho

I am currently using the Always IN2000 SCSI controller to drive three SCSI
hard disks.  In addition, the system as one 40 mb IDE.  You've bumped into the
same problem I did: DOS only recognizes 2 hard disks.

I got around this by purchasing Disk Manager version 5 from Online Systems.
I think that it is a worthwhile investment: the program not only overcomes
DOS's 2 drive limitation, but it is capable of formatting/partitioning the
SCSI drives as well as the IDE drives.  Well worth it.

- Joe -
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: HELP!!-MY COMPUTER IS LOOSING MEMORY..
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.190041.27230@PA.dec.com> ptrieu@wldwst.enet.dec.com  
(PETER TRIEU) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>     Originally, my Everex 386-33 had 16Megs worth of Dram and 256K-Cache 
> ram.  The system was running fine util yesturday when I boot it up-  
Memory
> check only showed 4Megs (3962K).:-{.  I quickly open the box and started
> to swap those SIMM within the 2 banks, reboot, and gets the same  
message.
> So the next logical steps that I thought was to play around with the  
BIOS
> settings.--And still no luck :^{.  Does anyone out there have any clue
> as to where those 8Megs went ??.     
> 
> thanks,
> 
> P.S.  Those 2x9 ram were tested this morning and they're still good.
> 
> peter.

If you had 16, and are showing 4 now,  then you're missing 12.  Are you  
sure someone else in the office didn't decide to swap his 4 mb worth of  
SIMMS for your 16 worth??

						- Al
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From: Haibo.Yu@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Haibo Yu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Address to AST Research, Inc -- Please Help
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:16:41 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I need the phone number and mailing address to AST Research, Inc. in Irvine
CA.  Please mail to me ASAP.

Thanx

haibo yu
haibo@milo.ccl.byu.edu
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