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From: lrose@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (punskovsky,linda r)
Subject: Re: RE 	Hanoi Rocks
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:21:42 GMT


A friend of mine is a big Hanoi Rocks fan, and I had an opportunity to listen
to some tracks from them.  As a new fan to an old group, what album would you
suggest I get as a first?


Lin
From: borella@toadflax.cs.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Xcranium and Iceburn
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: borella@toadflax.cs.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science

Two bands I've only heard about.  Can anyone
fill me in on what they're like?

-Mike
From: veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: RE: Dream Theater comes back again!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:04:39 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Dream Theater will be coming to Axis in Boston, MA again on December 16th. I
saw them when they were playing there in October... They are an INCREDIBLE
band.... Never seen any group put on such a fantastic live performance!!

The club opens at 10:00pm and I believe the prices were $6/person at the door.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: arny@vesta.unm.edu (L Alan Dye)
Subject: 24-7 Spyz
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:12:37 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Anyone out there into 24-7 Spyz?
Write me if you know these guys/are interested/have tour info.

Arny
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater == Cheese metal ????
Originator: mds5142@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:27:45 GMT

In article <92328.025242MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu writes:
>Okay,
>
>About halfway through "Metropolis I", my roomate looked up from his book and
>said :
>
>"They're a cheese metal band"
>

Why, because they use keyboards?  Your roommate is looking at the music
from a metal point of view and not a music point of view.  Dream Theater
blends elements from heavy metal to jazz.  I wouldn't tell someone this
was a jazz album just because of "Another Day", nor would I tell them
this was a heavy metal album just because of "Pull Me Under", nor would
I tell them it was a piano-oriented (new age?) album because of "Wait
For Sleep".  Tell your roommate to get a little cultured about his
music.

Ask him what he thinks makes Dream Theater a heavy metal band.  Does he think
Rush is heavy metal?  I certainly don't.  Seeing as how you hear a little bit
of influence from Rush, Styx, Marillion, and Yes throughout, I wouldn't
call any of these groups heavy metal bands.  Maybe we should just excerpt the
fast bass lines and put them in the metal section of the CD stores, then
take the Rush like guitar and put it in Rush's section, and then
re-record only the vocals and piano and shove it with the Styx albums.
Ok, maybe not.  

A little bit of everything played by damn good musical artists.  Anybody
care to discuss the lyrics?

Later,
Mike
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From: djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater comes back again!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:44:48 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV) writes:


>Dream Theater will be coming to Axis in Boston, MA again on December 16th. I
>saw them when they were playing there in October... They are an INCREDIBLE
>band.... Never seen any group put on such a fantastic live performance!!
>The club opens at 10:00pm and I believe the prices were $6/person at the door.

   Next time one of you lucky bastards manages to talk to the band, ask
   them when they are playing in the UK.

   Yours jealously,

-dave
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From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:56:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu



	It is not that easy to classify bands into catagories, if you
think about it.  "Alternative", judging by what is played on alternative
stations like Canada's 89x, is generally groups that have a non mainstream
sound that are released on small local labels.  Alternative bands usually 
suck, because they are not particularly musically competent (Erasure,
Shakespeare's Sister, etc.).  Soundgarden and Pearl Jam can also be 
characterized as grunge bands for the trademark Seattle grind sound, the
best of which I think is Alice in Chains, which is considered metal.
	Because music is constantly evolving, as human though evolves or
at least changes, what is progressive today is reclassified tomorrow.  I
think that a couple of years back Iron Maiden and Metallica and Queensryche
were the best example of progressive metal, because the things the did
were so different, so hard to copy.  Iron Maidens gothic lyrics and 
smooth keyboard sound coupled with some excellent soloing, on albums
like Somewhere in Time and 7th Son Of A 7th Son are quite a departure
from standard metal, British or otherwise.  Metallica also was the major
innovator, with the double bass drumming and wall of sound, and later
the amazing arrangements on Master Of Puppets (Orion!) and And Justice
For All.  


                                                       Moses

 
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From: ntruelove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (STEP OUT OF THE CAR PLEASE)
Subject: Fates Warning
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:15:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services

this is a test
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake)
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ: FAQ, beta version
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:03:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov15.233801.22772@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
>
>Hi all...Shag and I have been working on a FAQ for this newgroup for
>a while, and we'd like to get everyone's comments on it.  If you have
>any ideas, corrections, additions, thoughts, comments, feelings, flames,
>go ahead and post them.  We're hoping that this will help clear up some
>of the common misconceptions about alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive.
>
>
>scott
>
>
> 	Grunge rock (Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden)  
>	"college alternative music."  Therefore, bands like Soundgarden, 
>	Godflesh, Ministry, and Pearl Jam don't fit the progressive 
>	metal definition.  They are certainly hard alternative music, 
>	but that's not the same as progressive metal.
>

hmmmmm.  I don't think Soundgarden and especially not Pearl Jam should
be included with the *group* Grunge.  I think that because of the stupid
overblowing of Nirvana that people to often place anything from Seattle
in the catagory of Grunge (excluding Queensryche, Heart, etc.) when the 
truth of the matter is that they usually are far from.  Soundgarden is kinda
borderline at times but Pearl Jam, no way even close.  A more likely list
would be Nirvana, Mudhoney, The Melvins, Fugazzi.  I'm not sure whether 
I even think that Pearl Jam fits Progressive, but it anin't Grunge that's
for sure.

Queensryche is about as progressive of a band as I've heard.  I've been a 
big fan since I saw them play the Northwest Metalfest back in the early
80's, before they even put out their first EP. 

Sorry, flame me if you must.  I finally listened to Dream Theater, I guess
it was their latest one.  I'm sorry but I just was not impressed and was
in fact a bit letdown after all the praise that I've heard concerning them.
The do in fact sound like they are heavily influenced by Rush and Pink Floyd,
but I've always had a very strong dislike for the music of these 2 bands.

but hell it's all just my opinion.  I wasn't trying to offend anybody
and I'm really sorry if I did.



see ya 

John H. Lake
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:52:42 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Dream Theater == Cheese metal ????

Okay,

Earlier this evening, while writing a paper on Modern Federalism and the US
City (OH JOY!), I decided to pop in _Images and Words_ to get the blood
pumping...

About halfway through "Metropolis I", my roomate looked up from his book and
said :

"They're a cheese metal band"

"The singer sounds just like Mark Slaughter"

(One other derogatory comment that I forgot)

Any comments?  (I disagree wholeheartedly with both comments!)

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:09:17 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Dream Theater mailing list

Anyone out there w/ a machine that wants to start a DT mailing list?  I would
gladly volunteer, but I don't have the abilities to do it  :(

Once again, anyone who wants my Marillion or Dream Theater live concert pix,
please email me asap at mweintr@american.edu for information!!!

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: More mailing lists... Arrgh. (D.T. mail list)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:00:50 -0600
Organization: Introl Corp.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com

I am a fan of Dream Theatre, hoewver, I don't feel there
would be enough traffic to warrant a mailing list.

BTW: I thought a.r-n-r.m.p was set up for the discussion of groups
like D.T. and F.W., etc. If we start mailing lists for these, what was the
purpose of the newsgroup? Where would it end? Would every group
have a mailing list?

Eventually, the only traffic in the news group, would
be the occasional posting explaining how to get into the mailing list....

IMHO: overall traffic in this group is virtually NIL, when it gets
out of control, then it would be a good idea to move to a mailing list.

-Pete
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake)
Subject: Re: No more: Re: Hanoi Rocks
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:57:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.123339.6439@nntp.hut.fi> m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.092403.27153@microsoft.com> johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.162454.26779@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>>I was wondering if any of you considered the Hanoi Rocks progressive. I know 
>...
>>>it's hard to say what style they are because the songs go back and forth. 
>>>For instance they play blues ("Self-Destruction Blues"), pop rock ("Cheyenne"),
>>>country ("Lost In The City"), classical ("Strange Boys Play Weird Openings"),
>>>60s type rock'n'roll ("Back To Mystery City"), heavy metal ("Underwater World")
>>>and so on. Some songs like "Million Miles Away" (E.Z.O. covered this song) do
>>>weird things in the middle. You basically have to listen to a Hanoi Rocks album
>>>to get an idea of what kind of musicians they were. 
>...
>>
>>I sure do.  I love Hanoi and have always.  I think they are definitely 
>>progressive.  
>...
>
>Yeah, I luv'em too. (A little hint to all Hanoi Rocks fans out there:
>check out Bang Tango.) But referring to the FAQ-file posted here recently,
>they are far from progressive. For example Queen (what great band!) did
>lots of various styles of music, but they are not _progressive_.
>Progressive metal is closely related to progressive rock of the 70's 
>(Yes, Rush...), not in a sense of just doing alternative music,
>but rather sounding a lot alike, tho' heavier. 
>I think their unique sound is derived from influences from classical
>music, combined with imaginative rock. 
>So, I would consider Hanoi Rocks and Queen as _weird_ (but good) rock
>groups, not progressive.
>
>>
>>of course that's just my opinion, and who the hell am I?
>>
>>John H. Lake
>>
>                                 -Maz
>

Yeah I dig Bang Tango!



John



Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: pattons@CS.ColoState.EDU (samuel patton)
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ: FAQ, beta version
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:24:01 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I would also consider Primus to be progressive metal... Of course they can 
pretty much be classified as progressive "evreything"

What does anyone else think about Primus??? Do they belong here or not???


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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater comes back again!
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:03:36 GMT

In article <1e3filINN1de@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>For those of you who are in the Baltimore/Washington area, or even if
>you're not and just *really* like this band, Dream Theater is going to be
>at Hammerjack's in Baltimore Saturday, December 19th.  No word on ticket
>prices yet, but I would guess $7-$10.  Get 'em while they're hot!!
>
>Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
>smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm


Are they still playing the Bayou on the 10th of December??? PLEASE SAY YES!


Phil

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From: ntruelove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (STEP OUT OF THE CAR PLEASE)
Subject: Dream Theater comes to OKC
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:29:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services

Dream Theater is coming to Alcatraz in Oklahoma City November 27 with Forte
(???) and 23 Roadkill (Who the ???) opening up.  I am VERY excited, as I have
yet to see them live....

By the way, has anyone heard Watchtower?  If you haven't, this band is
definately worth a scratch.  Their influences are Fates Warning, Rush, and
Metallica.  I recommend the album 'Control and Resistance'.

Also, is anyone still interested in Fates Warning?  I've been picking up bits
and pieces of this phenomenal bands songs for years.  I'll post info and tabs
if the interest is there.

Nadster
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:15:18 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater mailing list
 <1992Nov16.144921.16999@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

Actually, a good purpose of the net, and a possible mailinglist is a petition
drive my friend Nick and I want to start to get DT as the openning act on the
next Rush tour...

When they next hit DC on the 10th, I am going to try to get backstage to meet
the band again, and ask them if they want a fan-level organized effort to get
them on a major tour like the Rush one... I think that a Rush / Dream Theater
tour would be a PERFECT match...

Let me know what ya think of this...

Slainte mhath...

Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: RE 	Hanoi Rocks
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:15:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.160055.21206@infodev.cam.ac.uk> scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar) writes:
>Do me a favour !!!!
>To be honest, I dont reallyb think Hanoi Rocks belong here. Although
>progressive bands tend to do something innovative/different, its in
>the music, not the concept of cross-dressing. Admittedly, singing 
>about sex, wearing make up, and musical (semi) incompetence would be a new
>direction for a progressive metal band, I wouldn't take them seriously as
>musicians any more.

My point was that the Hanoi Rocks, although a glam band, DID NOT do what bands
like Poison or old Motley Crue did. Totally different, even though they looked
the same. Musically I think extremelly competent. As I said you have to have
heard the band to get an idea of what I'm talking about because as much as 
Poison looks like the Hanoi Rocks it's not at all a comparison musically or
lyrically. I don't think there is such a band that has ever sounded like the
Hanoi Rocks, not even Andy McCoy's or Mike Monroe's solo projects. But again,
they never stooped to the same level of Poison et al. They were consistent in
sound. In fact they got heavier as they went along until they disbanded.

philip
Philip Wang
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Watchtower, Fates [was Dream Theater comes to OKC]
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:36:59 GMT


>By the way, has anyone heard Watchtower?  If you haven't, this band is
>definately worth a scratch.  Their influences are Fates Warning, Rush, and
>Metallica.  I recommend the album 'Control and Resistance'.

Yep, I've got _Control and Resistance_.  Definitely one of the most
ridiculous, out-of-control, self-indulgent, hyper-over-playing albums
I've ever heard.  I love it :)  Actually, I really think it's a little
*too* much playing and not enough ... something ... but it's cool to
listen to and think "wow".   I believe their singer is now the singer
for Non-Fiction, which is an extremely different band with an extremely
different vocal style.


>Also, is anyone still interested in Fates Warning?  I've been picking up bits
>and pieces of this phenomenal bands songs for years.  I'll post info and tabs
>if the interest is there.

Fates is probably my all-time favorite band.  They are *incredible* live.  I 
saw them on the _Parallels_ tour and was just amazed.  I've been noodling with
some of the bass parts for a few songs on _Perfect Symmetry_ (my favorite
album), and I might be able to put together some tab too.  Has anyone heard
the status of their next album?  I hear they're label-shopping right now and
have gotten a few decent offers from majors.  What the world needs is a
Fates Warning/Dream Theater tour.  Yikes.  And it could happen; the bands
are good friends.



s
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:17:49 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater mailing list
 <1992Nov16.144921.16999@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

Oh yeah, once I get my ineterview from the 6/Oct/92 DC transcribed, there will
be *plenty* to discuss about Dream Theater...

(there is a very detailed explanation of the Metropolis I lyrics by Petrucci
I coaxed out of him  :)

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: ziegast@rodan.UU.NET (Eric W. Ziegast)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater mailing list
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:00:32 -0500
Organization: when necessary
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

mweintr@american.edu writes:
> Anyone out there w/ a machine that wants to start a DT mailing list?
> I would gladly volunteer, but I don't have the abilities to do it  :(

thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
> This was actually something we talked about in the FAQ...even though
> I'm a *huge* Dream Theater fan, I can't decide how necessary a mailing
> list would be.

I'd rather just see discussion in this newsgroup, but having a mailing
list would open discussion to a wider audience (the many people who
do not know of this group or don't even get a Usenet feed).

I'm a fan and would be willing to sponsor such a list if I see a good
amount of support for it.  I've set up a couple aliases:

	dt-list-yes@uunet.uu.net	<-- I want DT to have a mailing list.
	dt-list-no@uunet.uu.net		<-- Having a list isn't a good idea.

Send one (and only one) message to one or the other.  If I see an
overwhelming "yes" response (compared to "no"), I'll sponsor the list.
Include persuading arguments for/against the list if you wish.
DT list voting ends Wed Nov 25 23:59 GMT 1992.
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