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From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Subject: Re: Jets Help!
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:44:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.144057.2732@news2.cis.umn.edu> khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>Hello Jets fans!  Do any of you know what's up with Blair Thomas and his
>carrying the ball newar the goal line?  I see that he leads the teams in
>carries and yards every week, but Brad Baxter seems to be the man at the
>goal line.  Is this going to continue all year?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-------------------------------------
>Kevin Hansen
>MN Twin Family Study - U of MN
>khansen@epx.cis.umn.edu - (612)626-7224
>-------------------------------------
>
Yes, this is part of Coslet's plans for the team. He wants to develop
and offense that can run the ball on first down, both up the middle
and around the corner. For this he feels that Thomas is more versatile 
than Baxter. On third and short (and on the goal-line) Coslet wants
a power runner to run straight at the line, nd pick up the short-needed
yards. For this, he feels that Baxter is more suited. This is because
Baxter has better hands than Thomas, and because Baxter heads straight
for the hole, unlike Thomas who likes to "move and groove" around the hole.
Coslet feels that this type of running attack, when effective, will
open up the passing game for Nagle. Unfortunately, Thomas has not done
his share to create this running attack. I feel that Thomas will come
into his own as the season progresses, and that the Jets will develop
a very strong offense. Stick with them Kevin, they are improving.
Look for them to win big against Indianapolis this week.

                               -Paul
                               pc0837@sarah.albany.edu

------------ Go Jets -------------
From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Call For Votes: Painful Death to All Premature Woofers
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:01:08 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Keywords: woofers, tweeters, subwoofers, death, dream, destruction, death...

In article <7245@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> stephenl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Stephen Lamar Legate) writes:
>I propose to amend the r.s.f.p. charter as follows:
>
>	Section X: Death to Woofers.

Well, if the woofers realized what they were doing to their teams, I think
they'd stop of their own accord.  As you said:

>Well, the week before last it was the Bills fans.  
>
>And then last week they got pasted by the 'Fins.  And now this week they've 
>been pasted by (shudder)... the Raiders.
>
>And last week it was the Eagles fans.
>
>And this morning they lost (rather convincingly) to the Chiefs.  HAH!

That's a pattern if I ever saw one!  Methinks the 'Fins fans will be more
cautious, not wishing to put a curse on their beloved team.

Then again, anyone silly enough to predict a 16-0 record probably won't have
the brains to realize this.  I'm surprised we aren't seeing people woofing:
PATRIOTS WILL GO 11-5 AND WIN THE SUPERBOWL!  After all, all they'd have to
do is win the rest of the games this season and in the playoffs.  How hard
could that be?  Let the woofers woof anyway.  It's real entertaining to see
them keep lowering their predictions.  16-0!!  Okay, 15-1.  No, maybe 14-2.
13-3?

>-Chundarr the Net.Terrorist,
> And his Friendly Dog, Gunthor.

Felix Ling

GIANTS WILL GO 13-3 AND WIN THE NEXT 358 SUPERBOWLS!!
Well... they could!  Maybe.
From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: "ice" and "power" cowboy notes???
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:54:14 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Have you guys decided to take the week off?

;-)

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Two Different Games Eagles/Cowboys
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:37:23 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Oct7.201456.22710@csc.ti.com> rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott) writes:
>Cowboys Fans States:
>They Beat Themselves ...
>
>Eagles Fans States:
>It Was The Defense That Caused Them To Be Themselves..
>
>Let's Hear From Some Non-Cowboys/Eagles Fans On Which Game They Saw..
>
   It seemed simple to me. The Philly defense dominated. Maybe at home in
   a few weeks, Dallas will be able to get something going, but it was all
   Philly defense Monday night. Dallas has one of the better offenses in
   the NFL and it takes a great defense to beat it. The Eagles simply have
   a great defense.

   --salty
From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers cut Billups
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:10:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Oct8.181032.17183
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center

In article <1992Oct7.203434.7416@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
|> In article <56428@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes...
|> 
|> >>   I read in the paper also that he was cut.  From what I can remember, the 
|> >>   article said that Buckley started the Atlanta game and that Billups was
|> >>   upset over losing his starting job.  I guess he lost more than that now.
|> >>   About Buckley being ready to start, I don't know if he is ready to but 
|> >>   he will start.  I saw him get burned on one touchdown pass from Miller to
|> >>   Rison in the Atlanta game.  Buckley looked completely lost on the play.
|> > 
|> >   I saw the game and remeber the touchdown that Buckley got burned on. 
|> >It looked to me like he let Rison get past him and just let him go, and then 
|> >realised that nobody was there to cover him. I wonder who blew their
|> >assignment?
|> >  The announcers just made it sound like Rison beat him in man coverage.
|> 
|> This is correct.  Buckley was supposed to have help deep from FS 
|> Chuck Cecil.
|> 
|> JGH

Even if he was supposed to get help, he can't leave it all up to Cecil.  He
tried to bump Rison on the line and missed him completely.  Rison was 3 yards
behind Buckley before he even turned around.  You can't ask Cecil to get over
to the corner of the end zone that quickly; Buckley got burned and he didn't
even slow up Rison so Cecil could have a chance.

The things rookies do.  Give him time; I think he'll be a very good cover man.
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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: Re: LA Raiders...
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:40:40 GMT
Organization: work
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The One and Only (jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: What is the status of Chester McGlocton (?), the Raiders' first round
: draft choice?  I remember hearing that he was injured, but what is the injury
: and when is he due back?  I don't recall hearing about him during
: the Buffalo game.
: 
: jc
: 
: 
	Chester had, I believe, an ankle injury. He played against
	Buffalo last weekend, and also against the Giants, although
	he doesn't start.

	-keith

++++++++++++++++++++
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:40:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.164449.18397@walter.cray.com> dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt) writes:

   I still haven't figured out why the NFL (and other sports leagues) are
   supposedly violating anti-trust laws simply because they hold drafts,
   don't compete financially among the fanchises, etc.  It seems to me
   that the NFL as a whole could be considered the 'company', which then
   competes with other sports leagues for the services of the players.

John has been arguing exactly this point: the nfl effectively operates as a
single company and teams do not compete with each other over financial
issues.  The problem is that legally they all have independent status.
Anti-trust laws were created to block companies from playing both sides of
the street, i.e. claiming to be independent and in competition, and yet
conspiring together to achieve a financial advantage through unity.  This is
exactly what the draft does.  If the teams are indeed seperate, as their
legal business structure currently says they are, the draft is an obvious
attempt to restrict employment opportunities for a third party (the players)
between supposedly competing independent businesses. 

I'm not a lawyer.  But I've read on this issue a bit, and I've never heard a
lawyer claim that the draft was legal on its own, though I've see several say
that it is clearly illegal.  The collective bargaining agreement has
protected the nfl so far, but say so long to that.

The league wants it both ways, teams are seperate financial entities and can
act together when they want.  Can you imagine what would happen if we were
back to letting all industries operate this way?  Nothing new would start.
Everybody in the game sets the price high.  Somebody new, and small, tries to
undercut them and they drop the price to drive the new guy out.  Then it gets
jacked up again.  The nfl has got to decide which way they want to play the
game.

Bill


--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: grundusk@sunflare.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kevin Grunduski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Final Analysis of 4 QBs
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:24:06 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Oct12.052407.6777@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
|> Bills vs Raiders:   I saw this game
|> 
|> So what happened to the Bills and their heralded high
|> octane offense with Kelly at the helm? Answer: They
|> met the Raiders defense, which pressured Kelly all day.
|> It is quite apparent to anyone, that Kelly cannot handle
|> pressure. Anyone have a different opinion on Kelly's
|> loss of composure?  Todd M. came through at the end.
|> It sure helped that Dickerson and M. Allen ran the ball
|> well, to help balance the passing game.  Is this the
|> demise of the Bills? Well, if the other NFL teams, take
|> note and pressure Kelly, the FAT LADY is starting to
|> practice and bellowing out some high, loud notes.
|> Kelly throws for over 300 yards, nice stats.
|> 
|> Eagles vs Kansas City:
|> 
|> Again, a hard hitting, tenacious DEFENSE, arrested a
|> supposedly better overall offense. Afterall, Cunningham
|> was a the helm of this team. Yeah right, another one
|> bites the dust.  I didn't Cunningham pull this out. 
|> Krieg came out throwing and exposed the Eagles lack of
|> DEFENSE, or did I miss something in the ESPN reporting.
|> Cunningham tried at the end, but not enough time left on
|> the clock.  Can anyone explain why such a supposedly
|> better offense loss, equipped with one of the most feared
|> QB's in the league (the other is Kelly).
|> 
|> Atlanta vs Miami:
|> 
|> At least one great QB won HIS game and improved the Miami
|> team to 5-0!  I didn't see the game and only saw the 
|> highlights, but Marino had what it took to win the game
|> under pressure with a 4th qtr. comeback. Good going Miami
|> and Marino.
|> 
|> Patriots vs Niners: I saw this game.
|> 
|> Pretty sloppy playing by the Niners to start off the game.
|> However, they gathered their composure. The Niners defense
|> really racked/sacked Millen.  I don't see how this guy was
|> still standing, damn! Watters proved his worth again.
|> Doesn't he remind you of Roger Craig? With Watters slicing
|> and running head on into the Patriots, he definitely
|> established himself in this game. Young, as usual, did
|> his scrambling and came through when needed. Young certainly
|> looked like shit in the beginning though. So does this
|> prove Young is a better QB than Kelly & Cunningham? Perhaps
|> not, but by using his skills the best, and utilizing his
|> offensive weapons the best, he was the better QB on this Sunday.
|> 
|> Final analysis of these games: Did the best QB on paper come
|> through on their respective games? You call it!
|> -- 
|>   ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
|>   Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
|>   of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
I thought Marino sucked. Higgs scored twice to bail out the Dolphins.
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Three Receivers...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:50:03 GMT

In article <Bvu2C3.75x@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain) writes:
>When does anybody think future superstar Desmond Howard will finally get a
>chance to crack the Posse?

He has already been played with the offense.  I consider him a junior member
of the Posse.  His most explosive performance, though, has been on kick
returns.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Joe Gibbs/ Redskins win SB XXIX
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:16:13 GMT

thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>But the big question
>still is unanswered: QUOTE "why is it that coach Joe Gibbs can build SB
>teams in somehting like 4 year intervals, but not a repeating team?"  The
>answer lies in the EGOS of the QBs.

Well, then the question is: Why is it that Gibbs can't do what
Lombardi, Shula, Noll and (ack, pfft) Seifert did, i.e., overcome the
egos of the players and make them focus on repeating?


--Gidi


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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: Wild cards
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:56:09 GMT
Organization: work
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]



	What do the netfans think of wild card teams? For 'em?
	Do these 8-8 and 9-7 teams deserve to go to the playoffs?
	Since we're stuck with them-all that t.v. revenue-wouldn't
	it be more reasonable to hand them out based solely on
	won/loss records, with no regard to conference?

	-Keith

++++++++++++++++++

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.173726.6687@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile) writes:
>RE:No shows in Superbowls...
>Isn't simply getting to the superbowl good enough.  It means that the two teams
>in it are the best in their respective conferences.  
>
>And remember this... statistically, the Broncos DO NOT HAVE THE WORST SUPERBOWL
>RECORD!  The Minnesota Vikings do.  I'm not sure of the exact score, but they
>are also 0-4 and were outscored by more points and have never led a superbowl.
>So there.  "Take that to the bank"
>
>later...peace
>
>
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>|  "Only the dead see the end of war."     |        Whiplash Smile    	|
>|  "Conformity is the cradle of boredom."  |     BUBBA   Jeff Goslin	|
>|=======================================================================|
>|		       jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu       	        |
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>
>

Okay, I am smiling all the way to the bank! :-)
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
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From: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Subject: Re: Jets Help!
Reply-To: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corp
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:04:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.151759.3742@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, 
un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>  Hello Jets fans!  Do any of you know what's up with Blair Thomas and his
> > carrying the ball newar the goal line?  I see that he leads the teams in
> > carries and yards every week, but Brad Baxter seems to be the man at the
> > goal line.  Is this going to continue all year?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > -------------------------------------
> > Kevin Hansen
> > MN Twin Family Study - U of MN
> > khansen@epx.cis.umn.edu - (612)626-7224
> > -------------------------------------


I think the Jets inability to get anywhere near the goal line has alot to do 
with it... Case in point: Sunday vs the Colts..they never got inside the 30 
yard line.. 

Brian Lichorowic
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:07:24 GMT

jg> Jeff Goslin "Whiplash Smile"

jg> Isn't simply getting to the superbowl good enough?

  Depends on how much emphasis is placed on the SB. Only 1 or 2 out of the last
  10 or so have been good games. The rest were blowouts, boring games really.
  Not what one would expect from the two "best" teams in the NFL.

jg> It means that the two teams in it are the best in their respective confer-
    ences.  

  Were it that this was true. New England was not the best AFC team in 1985.
  Miami was, but NE got the right bounces of the ball, and Miami had an off
  day, ergo, NE faces Chicago in the SB and gets killed. Pity Miami played
  poorly, and NE just good enough, because a Miami-Chicago rematch would have
  been a killer game. Remember, Miami cost Chicago a perfect season with the
  win on MNF.

jg> ...[S]tatistically, the Broncos DO NOT HAVE THE WORST SUPERBOWL RECORD!
    The Minnesota Vikings do.  I'm not sure of the exact score, but they are
    also 0-4 and were outscored by more points and have never led a superbowl.

  Not true. Here's the Vikings' and Broncos' SB losses:

  Vikings:                       Broncos:
  Year   #    Winner    Score    Year   #    Winner    Score 
  ---- ----- --------  -------   ---- ----- --------  -------
  1969 IV    Chiefs    23 -  7   1977 XII   Cowboys   27 - 10
  1973 VIII  Dolphins  24 -  7   1986 XXI   Giants    39 - 20
  1974 IX    Steelers  16 -  6   1987 XXII  Redskins  42 - 10
  1976 XI    Raiders   32 - 14   1989 XXIV  49ers     55 - 10
                       -------                        -------
                       95 - 34                       163 - 50

  The Broncos have scored 47% more points, but have allowed 72% more points
  as well. Nah, I'd say the Broncos have a much poorer SB record than the
  Vikings.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins #1
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct12.040926.1082@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes...
>In article <BvzMrw.DM@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>
>>I wouldn't bet on anyone but the Dolphins on winning the AFC East.
> 
>Easy to say now. Where were you six weeks ago?

Saying the same thing. I've had Miami pegged at winning the division since 
the draft. Believe it or not I am a fan and true fans believe in their football
team.

>>Miami Dolphins 5 - 0
>>Buffalo Bills  4 - 2 ( 2 losses against AFC opponents )
>>
>>- Dolphins 14 - 2 AFC East Champs and their sixth Super Bowl. 
> 
>The Dolphins have an impressive Won-Lost record so far, but they are
>not a Super Bowl-caliber team. There are simply too many holes. If Miami
>*DOES* turn out to be the AFC representative in the Super Bowl, then
>they will get chewed up by the NFC representative.

If their not a Super Bowl caibur team after Dismantling the Bills in Buffalo
and having the BEST record in the NFL. Not to mention having both their D and
offense ranked in the top 10. Then I don't know what is a Super Bowl team.

As for the NFC, Miami has done amazingly well against NFC opponents over the 
last few years.

Go Dolphins 14 - 2 (AFC East Champs and another Super Bowl)
Go Hurricanes *National Champs*

    _____________________________________________________________________
   |  "Life's a Bitch and then we all        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   get fucked"                           * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News on John Taylor
Date: 16 Oct 1992 23:18:46 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
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In article <lduh3oINN3q6@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
|The news in the Bay Area is that Taylor could be back in time for 
|the Phoenix game on Nov 1st.  Xrays will be taken today and if
|his leg is coming along as it has been, he should make the Phoenix
|game.  With Taylor not being on IR, he can start whenever he is
|deemed healthy enough.
|
|Wish.... Montana and Taylor return the same week!!!!!!!
|
|Brian 

Montana is never going to return. But, the 49er's can still beat
Atlanta, but it's going to be close.
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Cowboy *POWER* Notes 
Followup-To: reams@bnr.ca
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.183248.28650@leland.Stanford.EDU>, blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct13.135033.1740@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
|> >
My comrade, author of POWER notes, up the hall will give us
more detail later, but for now....

|> *Stuff deleted*
|> >
|> >      ACE was traded to the Raiders for what is speculated to be a 4th
|> >rounder that could escalate to a 3rd based on playing time.  IMHO, this
|> >was a great move for ACE.  LA likes to go deep, so he can use his "NFL's
|> >Fastest Man" speed.  Plus, no knock on Marinovich, but he doesn't throw
|> >as hard as Aikman does.  I think this gave Wright alot of trouble.  Wright's
|> >vastly improved over his rookie year, this move will make him better.
|> 
|> Anyone know if Jimmy Smith played on Sunday against the Seahawks?
|> NBC cut the local feed after the 3rd quarter. 

JS had a pass from Beuerlein bounce short of his position. Good
news was JS was headed back to the ball. A heads up, gung-ho
move on his part.


|> 
|> -Is J. Smith fully recovered from the broken leg?
Unknown. They are willing to put him in. The Dallas doctors
probably dont want to get saddled with another Sherrard-like
mistake.

|> -Is he fast enough to be the speed burner to replace Ace?
|> -Think he will contribute more than Ace has?
That will be hard NOT to do. Ace is where he belongs. With a 
future quality-caliber QB in a franchise that will make them
grow together.
|> 
|> About Alvin Harper....what is his problem?  He should be
|> getting more receptions.  Is he having a hard time getting
|> open or is Aikman just not throwing to him?  Think he'll
^^ I dont see too much go his way. Hard to throw to Harper 
when there are two pro-bowl receivers (Irvin, Novacek) also
in the pattern.

|> develop soon?
|> 
|> thanks and
|> 
|> Go Cowboys!!!!
|> Darren
|> 
|> 

-- 
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