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From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: better fences (was Re: Help with neighbors!!)
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:46:34 GMT

In article <24418@sybase.sybase.com> karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell) writes:
>Sorry to post this to everyone, but I couldn't find the original post.
>It *is* possible to extend a chain link fence...though I wouldn't
>invite a zoning inspector to approve my efforts...
>
>I desperately needed to make my fence taller. 

I, on the other hand, need to reinforce the *bottom* of a chainlink
fence.  The terrain along the back fence is just a bit uneven, while the
top of the fence is flat and level.  As a result, there are a few low
spots where my 10 month-old boxer has learned (actually, been taught by
the next door neighbor bitch) to dig out.

Any advice on a relatively quick and easy, but effective way to
reinfororce the fence?  I only need to beef up 50-75 feet or so, and all
of it is hidden behind thick brush (so...beauty is not required).

Crossing my fingers...my dog hasn't yet learned that he can easily jump
*over* the fence.

While I'm here - we have a medium term plan to construct a deck which
will be about 4.5 feet above a concrete slab, extending over a small
hill sloping down into the back yard.  The deck will be perhaps 10 feet
off the ground, and 4.5 feet over the slab at the wall of the house.  It
occurs to me that this space would make an ideal secure space for the
dog.  Any advice on how to customize such a space?

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:07:15 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

This reminds me of walk in the park a few years ago:  a guy was sitting
on the grass with an absolutely *adorable* ball of fluff that I couldn't
identify, so I stopped to ask him what it was.  Apparantly, I was not the
first that day, because as soon as I started to open my mouth, but before
I actually said anything, he said "She's a long-haired miniature dashund,
she's 3 months old, and yes, I know, she's cute as hell".  (She was also
a real sweetie:  he let me play with her for a while.)
------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
    "organic is close to godliness, but like godliness, can have
     drawbacks like the busload of nuns that were wiped out by a
     run-away truck full of organic produce." - Suzanne McCaffrey
From: bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:26:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct13.162656.28590
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <6730.83.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)  writes:
>A 2yr old can climb a chain link fence,but does not have the capacity to
>determine if a situation is dangerous or not. A mentally handicaped
>child can climb a fence, but again does not have the mental capacity to
>know if the situation is dangerous. If in either of these situations the
>child is bitten, in the State of Texas you will be held responsible, and
>your dogs will be killed for protecting your home. You need to decide if
>it is worth it.
>

Laws of this type tend to irk me. If the dogs got loose and went
after the child out in public or in the childs' yard, then I would
agree. This type of law allows no leeway for extenuating circumstances.

But, in the given examples, where are the *parents*? Why aren't *they* 
held responsible for inadequate supervision of a toddler or mentally 
handicapped child? It would seem to me that the parents are the ones being
criminally neglient in either of the above examples (after all
they should know more about the childs handicaps or problems
than anyone else). I realize you are not necessarily claiming
agreement with the law you mentioned, so please do not consider this
a flame of you or your post.

-- 
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        "If it's in the paper it must be true!" --- D. Doright 
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Book on City Dogs.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:59:43 GMT


I've read it--it's pretty good and it includes AKITAS!! :-)  You'll laugh
out loud when you read what it says about Akita owners--I know I did and
it's a line I've repeated 100 times since :-).
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:23:59 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

>You have *labs* that bite?

There is at least one Sch III Lab in the US, so at least *some* Labs can be
taught to bite anyway.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: gauci@cup.portal.com (Ed M Gauci)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Bernese Mountain Dog Breeders
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:46:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

Hi,

I am looking for breeders of Bernese Mountain Dogs with the
goal of obtaining a healthy, happy, puppy.  If anyone knows
of conscientious Bernese breeders, please let me know.

Although I would prefer a breeder within 250 miles of San Jose Ca,
I will consider any exceptional breeders regardless of
location.

My email address is gauci@cup.portal.com.

Thanks,
Ed Gauci.
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From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets,ba.market.misc
Subject: vet with special knowledge of old dogs?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:22:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

I have a 13-year-old dog with a couple of conditions that I'd like to discuss
with a vet who has extensive experience with elderly dogs.  For example, she
has a growth on her gum which her own vet says is a cancer but "it won't kill
her".  Still, if it can be treated while she's still pretty healthy, I'd like
to know.  She also has weakening hind legs and is taking prednisone for that.
I'd like a second opinion on whether there's anything else to be done for her.

If anyone can recommend a good specialist in canine geriatrics, please let
me know.

Thanks - Susan
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:02:53 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <DEAN.92Oct15101040@wind.sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov> dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean) writes:
>I am currently fostering somewhat of an anomaly: a dominant aggressive
>male greyhound.  Pacer is a retired racing greyhound that was
>previously adopted.  He was returned to us after he attacked the
>family cat.  He first went to another foster home, where he attacked
>and injured another cat, and struck at the fosterer's dog (a rat
>terrier), although he was by this time muzzled.
>
>Since coming to my home, he has displayed a lot of dominance behavior
>towards Kojak, my male greyhound.

> ... lots of stuff deleted

Forgive me for asking this, I'm really not trying to be obnoxious, but
is there some redeeming characteristic of this dog that makes him worth
the effort?  With all the good things you and others have said about
other greyhounds, and with so many being put down right and left everywhere,
is it worth it to keep this one?  When a "better" one might be saved,
instead?  One that would be more likely to be a good ambassador for the breed
and encourage others to adopt?  As he is anomalous and unpleasant, mightn't it
be better to regretfully let him go?

Again, I'm curious, not trying to be snotty.  And obviously it's easier
for me to ask than for someone else to have to make a really hard decision
in re this dog.....
From: dana@rlathena.athena.lkg.dec.com (Dana Mackonis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Training Seminar
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: dana@rlathena.athena.lkg.dec.com (Dana Mackonis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


RE:: AnneMarie Silverton Seminar

I have been to one of AnneMarie's seminars and I think she is top notch!  I
have since purchased her whole series of training tapes.

AnneMarie is one of those trainers that is concerned about what a dog can 
do and and what a dog is physically able to do.  She takes into account the
physical structure of the dog, etc.  For instance, she talks about trainers
who expect all dogs to  go out and fetch a glove, turn on a dime and return 
to the handler -- like a border collie.  AMS explains why it is physically
impossible for a dog like a Shepherd or an Irish Wolfhound to do this.  In 
the same breath she will help you with hints on getting that dog to accomplish
a quick pick up and return for it's body type.  She is concerned with the
dogs and I think her expertise lies in having trained a various number of
breeds of dogs -- not just one or two breeds as many of the well know seminar
givers have.  This is not to knock these folks!

But I think that AMS and Amy Amen have probably owned and trained more breeds
than all the others combined.

The seminar I attended was a working seminar and it was also one of the few
where you felt you were actually getting help during floor time instead of 
mass confusion of dogs trying different things.

I for one say "Go For It!"

dana and 
Skye, Treve, Meg -- Belgian Tervuren
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Arthritis - pain relief?
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:12:51 GMT

In article <QeokJkq00Uh_A2CzcW@andrew.cmu.edu> Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets.dogs: 6-Oct-92 Re: Arthritis - pain
>relief? by hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisvil 
>> Arthritis in dogs tends to be affected by changes in the weather (it's
>> worse when it's cold or damp out).  Have you noticed this to be the case
>> with your dog?  There may be something besides arthritis going on here -
>> try to get him to the vet as soon as you can.
>Yes, when it's cold and/or damp out, he's terribly stiff. He doesn't
>like being on my water bed (can't jump down) -- I thought he'd like the
>heat, but he was too scared to enjoy it. I'd thought about putting a
>heating pad on low on his doggie bed, but (a) I'm not sure it's such a
>good idea to get him used to a lot of heat or it'll feel even *colder*
>outside and (b) I don't want him to electrocute himself.

	RC Steele, among others, carries heating pads specifically designed
to be in outdoor kennels for dogs in cold climates.  Perhaps you could look
into one of these.  I would not leave a dog unattended with a regular
heating pad, but with one designed for dogs . . .

	Perhaps some of our friends from colder climes could recommend a
brand or source?

--lizalee

>


--
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@pangea.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
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From: rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver)
Subject: Strange post-operative behavior of a dog
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:29:42 GMT


My dog is home, ten days after having a lung removed
owing to an isolated tumor. Her behavior is strange and
described below:

1) She does not appear to sleep much. Before the surgery
   she slept perhaps 20 hours/day. Now less than half that.

2) She is constantly nudging us or staring at us but does
   not appear to want anything in particular when offered.

3) She wanders about the house and stares at corners for
   long periods. 

4) She digs at carpets far more than before. Related to this is
   a blanket which she will manipulate for a couple of hours a day
   as if she is making a nest.

None of this behavior was seen before the surgery. Can someone
offer an explanation?
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Arthritis - pain relief?
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:00:38 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <QeokJkq00Uh_A2CzcW@andrew.cmu.edu>, Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Yes, when it's cold and/or damp out, he's terribly stiff. He doesn't
> like being on my water bed (can't jump down) -- I thought he'd like the
> heat, but he was too scared to enjoy it. I'd thought about putting a
> heating pad on low on his doggie bed, but (a) I'm not sure it's such a
> good idea to get him used to a lot of heat or it'll feel even *colder*
> outside and (b) I don't want him to electrocute himself.
> 
> --Barb--
> 
> 

Hmmm....I think fires would definitely be a concern.  With Tristan,
when the arthritis in his shoulder is bad I apply a heating pad
specifically to that area for a limited period of time.  I am always
there holding the pad on, so it	is a totally supervised situation.

I usually try to do this when he is already sleeping or lying down
and getting sleepy, (which is actually most of the time!).  I've never
had him resist, but then he's not very easily scared - he's pretty laid
back (hey - he was born in California!:-)) 

I haven't noticed that it has affected his tolerance of cold weather,
tho he is an inside dog.  But I started doing this when we lived in
Iowa, where it got pretty darn cold.  Again, I will use the heating
pad on him maybe 3 times a day for 15-20 minute periods, so it's not
constant or even really prolonged exposure.

Don't forget trying Ascriptin (they now have a special arthritis pain
formula), and any suggestions your vet might have.

I have to admit, I'm scared of waterbeds too!

Holly
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From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: Pet Peeves or "what breed is that?"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:11:12 GMT

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to start a flame war with
Sophie's ferry story.  I thought it was sorta funny
that someone said she is NOT a Newfoundland!  I just
hope that wasn't an AKC judge, or we're in BIG trouble!

MANY people ask what breed they are is OR think they are
black St. B.s or Grt. Pyr.s.  We are NEVER offended, but
are happy that people want to meet the "black bears."
There is a little girl in the neighborhood who is about
three and when we walk the dogs past her house you can
here her yell "MOMMY, here come the two bears!"

If you are NOT careful and ask more about Newfoundlands
you will have to listen to my husband expound on the
breed for about 1/2 hour... "Back away quietly, Mildred!
He has long hair and could be dangerous...."


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean)
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
	<1bk87tINN3nh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:12:01

>>>>> In article <1bk87tINN3nh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:

 Victoria> In article <DEAN.92Oct15101040@wind.sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov> dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean) writes:

 Victoria> Forgive me for asking this, I'm really not trying to be obnoxious, but
 Victoria> is there some redeeming characteristic of this dog that makes him worth
 Victoria> the effort?
           [some stuff deleted]

 Victoria> Again, I'm curious, not trying to be snotty.  And obviously it's easier
 Victoria> for me to ask than for someone else to have to make a really hard decision
 Victoria> in re this dog.....

Well, first of all, he's not really an unpleasant dog.  He is very
friendly towards people, and his aggressive behavior towards other
dogs is not a constant thing.  He does in fact play with my two
greyhounds.  I also find it hard to justify destroying this dog just
because some #&%@##! has trained him to kill small animals (which is
what training with live lures effectively does).

You raise some difficult questions however.  If we have our hands full
with difficult to place dogs, some other more readily adoptable
greyhounds may get destroyed.  So what's the right answer?  I don't
know.  But in the meantime, we will continue to keep the greyhounds
that we get until we can find them a good home.


--
Jack Dean                         dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:18:41 GMT

This may sound a strange question, but I'll try and be as clear as possible. 

Are there certain phenotypes that a first-time dog owner should try to match
between he and his prospective dog?  Phenotypes being certain physical
characteristics.  Any other sorts of 'traits' to match?   

In other words, do certain dogs go with certain kinds of people?  Or is it
safest to bank on a mut and maybe get the best of two (or more :])worlds?

			-Matt
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: ATTN DANA MACKONIS
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:03:59 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Dana:

Sorry to have to go through the net to do this, but I got something I tried
to send you back from the Postmaster here today -- they had held it for
6 days and deemed it undeliverable (this is all a way big mystery to me!)

Anyway, I was wondering if you got the info about the Irish Setter Club
of America health survey I sent you?  I can try to resend it or post it
here if you didn't.


Holly Kruse
hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
From: vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Should I get dog in Berkeley
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:26:33 GMT
Organization: sStaff
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: whe1mac1.berkeley.edu

I'm thinking about getting a dog but I'm a student at UC berekely. I also
live in an apartment. I want a Sharpei and I'm thinking about getting one
however most people are saying don't because it takes alot of time to take
care of. Lots of money for food and shots and also a pain if I want to go
away. Any suggestions or comments will be helpful. The Sharpei I'm told is
a pain to take care of because of skin problems. Thanks. 
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:05:27 GMT

>
>How would the crisis work if they were all called ``dog disposal
>societies'' instead of humane societies?  Would anybody pay attention,
>if they used that name to do exactly what they do today?
>
>Why do they choose ``humane'' instead?
>
Many humane societies, Delaware Humane Association for example,
do not routinely euthanize animals.  We take in dogs, puppies,
cats, kittens, squirrels, rabbits, racoons, pigeons, anything in
need of help.  We try to rehabilitate the animals.  For the
"wildlife that means rereleasing when they are healthy.  For the
dogs and cats that means getting and keeping them healthy and as
happy as we can make their time until they are adopted.  There
are therefore dogs and cats that have been in the shelter for
some time - several years.  

Please don't characterize all humane shelters as kill shelters.
On the other hand, there are some for which the characterization
fits.  

-- 
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Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 18:50:50 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Faery Rings
 <1992Oct8.122620.9045@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
 <1992Oct9.113345.318@news.wesleyan.edu> <9OCT92.15152705@wums.wustl.edu>

Oddly enough, I've always thought that most lawns came
with brown spots.  It wasn't until this topic came up
on the list for the seventeenth time that I thought
to myself....  "Hmmmmm, we have brown spots, perhaps
that's from the dogs...."

To tell you the truth, it didn't worry me then, and
its not going to worry me now.  I'd rather have a dog
than a green lawn.
%-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-%=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-%
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 *East Tennessee State University
   *BITNET:U30993@UICVM//INTERNET:U30993@UICVM.UIC.EDU
%-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-%=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

E-mail address is for Univ. of Illinois..... new ID appearing
soon...
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: puppy and cat -- should I be worried?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:13:54 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <168807A0B.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
$In article <rasmussenc.41.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>
$   rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
 
>>there.  The problem is this:  K.C. lets Abbie jump on him, smoosh him to the
>>ground and bite at him.  He swats at Abbie, but I don't think he EVER uses
>>his claws.  We almost wonder if he's got a death wish.  We try to stop Abbie'
>>s behaivor by shakes and NO!s, and K.C. gives us this 'Thank God' look, and
>>then about 2 minutes later, saunters by Abbie with his tail flicking, just
>>*asking* for a chase.  We're afraid that K.C. has no fear, and Abbie has no
>>idea that she could hurt K.C.

$My $0.02 worth:  *Don't* keep them seperated.  Since the pup is
$mouthing (not biting) the cat, it's seems like this is just play
$(and apparently the cat views it that way too).   Just keep up
$the NO's and alpha roll the pup when necsassary (the best situation
$would be if the dog thinks the cat is the dominate one, but that
$might be hard to do....).  IMHO, it's easier to deal with this now
$than it will be later.
 
Agreed, 100%.  BUT, I would add one thing:  Make sure that the cat always
(especially if you're not there to supervise) has someplace to escape to,
if things get too rough.  My cats would also put up with a lot of rough
play from the dogs, but when they wanted it to stop, they would either
head for the bedroom (blocked off by a gate which the cats could jump
but the dogs couldn't), the top of the fridge, or under the couch.  Only
problem was, the couch was lightweight enough that the dogs could push it
around.  If they hadn't had access to the bedroom or the kitchen, I might
have ended up with injured Puddies. :-(

Of course, the ultimate solution is to get a cat that's tougher than the
dogs.  Magnum has always been very gentle with the cats, (possibly cause
they were bigger than him when he arrived) but Babie tended to be too
rough for my liking.  These cats were no wimps (around 13 pounds each, with
all their claws) but she was forever wanting to play with them.  Then I
brought home a ~7-pound, front-declawed ball of fluff.  First time I
introduced her to the dogs, Babie went nuts and charged her.  Tribble just
sat there and looked at her with an expression that said, plain as day,
"What's your problem, FOOL??"  :-)  She proceded to wash her face, totally
ignoring Babie, who was leaping and crouching all around her, just begging
her to run away.  After about 5 minutes, Babie gave up, and she's been a
lot easier on the other cats since then.

Too bad Tribble was only a foster kitty and has been placed in a permanent
home.  I could've rented her out to train dogs. :-)

Roberta
...And Magnum and Babie, and "their" puddy-tats :-)
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