From: sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:41:04 GMT

In article <1if57uINNrmi@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
|> In article <a0c=sk+@engin.umich.edu>,
|> Michael F.  Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
|> cluelessly replies to my article <1idmnlINN2el@morrow.stanford.edu>
|> Gabrielle Daniels, >HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu:
|> .
|> >>Women of color of
|> >>the feminista stripe always tell the white feminists that just
|> >>because one is a woman, it don't mean she got the RIGHT politics.
|> >
|> >Let me get this straight, White female feminists are inherently politically
|> >uncorrect?   I always knew us White males are a lost cause at ever doing
|> >anything correctly, but I didn't know my feminist (White) sisters cann't
|> >hack it also.  But it makes sense, you know, White == evil.
|> >
|> .
|> .
|> You said "inherently" unPC.  I never said anything of the kind.  Nor
|> have I insinuated  that because white feminists are white, they're
|> evil.
|> .
|> When women of color speak of women, they mean everyone of any color.
|>  But when white women speak of women, they mean themselves.

I agree.  This is definitely the truth.

|> Black women aren't WOMEN?  But of course, these white girls
|> represent themselves as PC, but they're really talking status quo.
|> White women are real women, while women of color are just adjuncts,
|> outriders, maybes. I've seen this in lit crit, I've seen this in
|> feminist politics and the history of feminism in this country is
|> fraught with how white women like Susan Anthony and Alice Paul have
|> fallen prey to own racism.

Agreed again.  I have seen it in Corporate America.  Sometimes I am 
convinced that White women are worse racist than their male conterpart.
While it is no secret that the civil right efforts of many Blacks
historically sought to include everyone (Asians, Women, Latinos, Women
of all races, and yes even White males), the same cannot be said about
the efforts of White women on equality past or present.  White women
are worst racist than White men.  You will be disappointed if you 
expect any different.  Be warned.


|> .
|> Case in point: Frederick Douglass.  My man was kept from attending
|> a feminist conference--and he was pro-feminist and had married one
|> white woman--because he was black, in the 1890s just before he died.
|> Reason: the leaders didn't want to piss off the Southern women
|> delegates.

A more present "average Joe" case.

I once worked for a group within a Fortune 500 company that was 
concerned about diversity.  Their group and diversity efforts (with White
women in key positions) consisted of White men and White women.  I found
it interesting that they would even talk about progress in their diversity
effort when no attempt was made to get members of other social identity 
groups in their midst; I was not even officially a member of the group.
How do you suppose they will learn to manage a diverse workforce if 
their workforce is NOT diverse?  I suppose they don't intend to. You go
figure. 

Through my years at the company, I saw that in many ways White women in
positions of power are more racist than their male counterparts.

-Sunny