HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep & Windows NT & Windows 3.x
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:24:12 GMT

> Darcy Brockbank wrote....
> 
> | I think though that the future of Microsoft isn't the
> | "environment" of Windows2.0 but Windows NT, which will be
> | in the range of $600.
> |
> | That compares nicely with $999 for NeXTstep 486. With the SDKs
> | for NT, and the extended release of NeXTstep 486, we'll see prices
> | climb steeply, but I think they'll be in the same range.

I had an interesting chat with a NeXT sales rep last week.  She confirmed that  
NeXT is intending to run NeXTstep '486 right against Windows NT.  That includes  
some sort of intelligent Windows emulation/switching.  And they will modify the  
price to be competitive.  Should be an interesting match...

There is no way NS will attempt to compete with Windows 3.  Any more than  
Microsoft will make Windows NT run on a '286.
---
There are several possible levels of cohabitation of OSes.  Let me attempt to  
list them, in order.  Which do you think is acceptable?  For that matter, which  
will Windows NT use?  What should NeXT shoot for?

	The first set result in rebooting the machine.

1.  Total TakeOver - one OS takes over the screen and hard disk permanently.   
Can never use the other. (never)
2.  Alternate TakeOver - If you power the machine down and stick the right  
floppy in the drive, you can reboot under a different OS. (cold boot)
3.  Soft TakeOver - you type in the right command, and it will log you out and  
come back under the new OS, and vice versa. (warm boot)

	The second set merely take over the screen.  However, they are not  
symettric (can access one from the other, but not vice versa) 
4.  Grab Screen - you launch the new OS from inside the old one.  You can kill  
it to return to the old OS (like Mouse-X)
5.  Swap Screen - you can toggle between the two (like CoXist)
6.  Mini-Screen - you have a single, smaller window inside your other  
environment (like SoftPC).
7.  Multi-Screen - can have different windows co-existing on the same screen  
(rootless windows)

The ideal, I would imagine, is #7, especially if it is as fast as 'native  
mode', although #5 is almost as good.  I fear we probably won't get better than  
#3 the first time around, though.

What do you think?

- Ernie P.
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From: borrel@sigallah.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Fingering a NeXT
Keywords: I can now finger!
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:19:43 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo

In article <1992Apr6.153946.23433@ulrik.uio.no>  
borrel@sigallah.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) writes:
> Why doesn't my .plan and .project files answer when I'm fingered
> from a remote machine. (Email answers please)
> 
> - Barre


Finger on NeXT solved!

Thanks to everyone for their constructive (and imaginative) answers to my  
question about why the finger daemon on my NeXT never returned the  
contents of the .plan and .project files. None of them worked! As someone  
so nicely put it "NeXT's finger is a dud". However the solution was  
contributed by Garance Alistair Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu), ITS  
Systems Programmer at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY. His  
recommendation was "You have to pick up a replacement version of  
/usr/etc/fingerd. I got mine off the FTP site moo.speech.cs.cmu.edu". So  
have I and it works!

- Barre Ludvigsen
From: meuer@warschawski.geom.umn.edu (meuer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mission critical apps
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:56:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr10.185610.8588
Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota

In article <ds5t98=@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes:
>jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes:
>> Steve jobs and NeXT in general use the phrase "Mission Critical App" 
>> a lot as they see it as their main advantage
>> 
>> I always have problems with deciding quite what this phrase actually
>> means... any one got a good example eplanation and/or examples... 
>> preferably ones that don't include the financial sector and or DTP.
>
>I'd think "Mission-critical" apps are those which your company does not want  
>to trust to other people.  The company has a very specific idea of an app  
>that matches the way that company does business, in order to give the  
>company a competitive edge in that business.  They don't want to pick up a  
>copy of some generic "Apps-Are-Us" application and try to fit it into their  
>specific needs.  They want complete and total control over the app, because  
>the success of the company depends on the competitive advantage the app will  
>give them.

In other words, a "mission-critical app" is an application that is
critical to the company's mission.

-mark
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Mark Meuer   <><   | Bio-Medical Design Group |   meuer@geom.umn.edu
Did you hear that Stephen King and Christian author Frank Paretti are 
joining their talents to write a horror novel about small animals studying to
become ordained Catholic priests?  The book will be called "Pet Seminary."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.215511.24406@cs.ucla.edu> esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu  
(Eskandar Ensafi) writes:

> I own an 030 cube and I plan to upgrade to a Turbo (33-MHz
> 040) with   NeXTdimension.  With all the rumors flying
> around, I don't know what to do.  I mean, is NeXTdimension
> going to be phased out?  Will it ever have compression?  Is
> it better to wait for the rumored RISC system if I'm
> already waiting for the Trubo cube upgrades to come out?
> (it's a difference of 4-6 months according to rumors --
> July for the Turbo, September for the RISC.)  Help!!!

NeXT, what *is* the future of the ND board?

NeXT, if the rumors about a future RISC NeXT are correct,
will there be an upgrade path for cubes?

Good questions, Eskandar.  If only we had the answers!

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us (Glenn Rempe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: FOR SALE:  Who's Calling? by Adamation
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:52:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: arizona.1992Apr12.155232.2903
Reply-To: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us
Distribution: world,local

Hi,  I have one copy of the excellent client management and scheduling system  
"Who's Calling?" by the fine folks at Adamation.  "Who's Calling"  is a fully  
automated client management and scheduling system with modules for tracking  
client information and conversation histories and sending live network  
messages.  The program has advanced features for notification of pending  
appointments and callback reminders with both visual and verbal alerts. Other  
Features include a speed dialer, resource management, advanced report  
generation, advanced calendar with many views, advanced calculator, talking  
alarm clock, and area code and state finders.

I have one copy, still sealed, with all manuals and registration cards  
included.  Shipping costs are included in the price.  Payment arrangements can  
be made when you contact me by E-Mail.  

List Price  -  $495.00
NeXTConnection price  -  $395.00

**  MY PRICE  -  $300.00 OBO  **

Contact me now, remember I only have one copy at this price!

Thanks,

Glenn

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GLENN D. REMPE
NeXTMAIL WELCOME!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tony@blumen.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo)
Subject: WANTED : Instructors for the developer camp
Reply-To: tony@blumen.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo)
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:04:52 GMT

We are looking for the instructors for the developer camp in Taiwan.

The camp will hold in medium August. Hope you Twiwanese NeXT Developers  
(RD) connect me if you will come back Taiwan during the summer vacation.

Btw, if you can't go home but still interested in Taiwan's NeXT community,  
please let me know. 

--
Tony Guo
President of Taiwan NeXT User Group
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: looking for a copy of Frame 3.0 -- for sale anybody?
Keywords: sale, software, Frame
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:02:51 GMT
Reply-To: alex@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

Hello there:

I would like to purchase a copy of Frame 3.0 for around $350 -- I would prefer  
it be unregistered but I have contacted Frame and they have told me that the  
ownership can be transferred.

Please mail all offers to alex@pencom.com.



Best regards,


Alex Duong Nghiem          Phone: (512) 343-1111
Pencom Software            Fax:   (512) 343-9650    
9050 Capital of TX Hwy N.  Mail:  alex@pencom.com
Suite 300                  Mail:  co-Xist_support@pencom.com
Austin, TX 78759           Mail:  co-Xist_info@pencom.com
USA
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From: Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT Demo CDROM
Summary: How do I get one?
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:54:15 GMT
Followup-To: rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I've seen several mentionings of a "NeXT Demo CDROM" recently.  What is
this item, and how can I get a copy?  I'd appreciate any leads you have.

Tim Buck
rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu
Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tgingric@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tyler S Gingrich)
Subject: Re: The Varun Script -=Here it is=- (was: backing up to OD
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:24:22 GMT

In article <12457@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
>
[request for script deleted]
>
>Here it is, and of course it's another sparkling gem from the  
>Workspace of none other than Varun Mitroo!! 
>
[actual script deleted]

Unfortunately [since Varun is a 2nd year med student here at Ohio State and 
he has his board exams bearing down upon him] he hasn't been able to create
any additional gems (for about the last 4 months).  This is a real loss to 
the NeXT community and especially to our user group (CONE).

---   
Tyler Gingrich
tyler+@osu.edu				(614)292-7211
From: pyrros@mars.cis.udel.edu (Christos T. Pyrros)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Just as an example...
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:37:19 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Mar29.213041.12219@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@space.ualberta.ca  (Sherwood Botsford) writes:

(stuff about the program you give to pft which messes up your dock and windows)

>A couple caveats about this program:
>1.	The window you are using also wanders.  Any window larger than an icon  
>can wander so that it's title bar is off the screen.  If you stop the program  
>at this point, you can't grab the window.

Actually, if you are in Terminal, you can put the window back to it's original
position by selecting Format->Larger or Smaller.


Christos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: francisr@indiana.edu (Rob Francis)
Subject: the thread on RTF and SEF
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:13:37 GMT

I am one of those people Jess mentioned.  I read csnm for information, and  
don't post too often unless I've got some information to share.  I end up  
missing a lot of the information that comes along because I put anything that  
starts with Re: in my KILL file.  If I had more time, I'd sort through and see  
the answers to questions I often have.  I just don't have time to wade through  
the Re: RTF/SEF topics.  It's a bummer, and I've love to see those discussions  
move elsewhere.  Usenet has helped me find answer answer to problems many  
times, (I got about 20 replies on compiling elm -thanks to everyone that  
answered me) it's a great resource to have.  

The point is, I should speak up and say, "I agree with Jess.  Please let this  
die."

If you want to reply to me, I'll answer email, but seeing as how anything that  
starts with Re: gets junked, a flame on the net won't even help.  (-:

-rob
francisr@indiana.edu
From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul Kunz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Cannot run NewsGrazer
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:45:11 GMT
	<1992Apr12.185605.17465@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
In-reply-to: robert@amo.mit.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 18:56:05 GMT


   NewsGrazer has broke for me here too!!!   In earlier versions NG had
trouble reading .newsrc files saved by GNUS.   So I've looked at
mine for something funny.   All I can find is some new alt. groups
with very long names...

alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.X.Y.and.Z.electrix.sunshine.mix! 
alt.fans.david.davidian.fascist.fascist.fascist! 
alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol! 

   I wonder if this has something to do with it.
--
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Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University
Voice: (415) 926-2884   (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
From: trimble@alleg.edu (Erik Trimble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStation Color SIMM Slots
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:18:24 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Apr6.073918.7706@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> > [stuff about 32MB limit of Turbos]
> You can put 132 megs in it.  Why are you always so negative?
> 
> andrew
[.sig deleted]

They make 50MB Simms?  Who? Where? When?

-Erik Trimble
trimble@alleg.edu
"'till death do us part" is not the way to buy a computer...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: alex@fff.chem.utah.edu (Alex Dommasch)
Subject: Re: Screen Saver
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.023520.27442@colorado.edu> fedor@boulder.Colorado.EDU  
(Adam Fedor) writes:
> I'm looking for a public domain/commercial screen saver that works even 
> after I log off.  Does Lockscreen do this? (It wasn't apparent from the
> demo that it did).  The screen saver I found on the archives seemed very
> buggy.  Could some one please point me to a place where I can find
> one?  Thanks.
> 
> adam (fedor@boulder.colorado.edu)

Me too, please!
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14246 talk.politics.misc:18425
From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Subject: Is the NeXTStation Turbo vertically disadvantaged?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:53:00 GMT

Yesterday our group secretary received her new NeXTStation Turbo
(monochrome), and I am the designated setter-upper.  We got the Turbo
running fine as a standalone machine (after moving out the old PC-AT 
and a few shelves and re-arranging some cords and cables).  However, 
Rachel is one of those vertically challenged people (she's even shorter
than I am) and after an hour or so of playing with the machine, her neck
started getting tired with all that looking upward.  We had mounted
the monitor on top of the horizontal slab.

OK, we decided, easy to fix by moving the slab out from under the 
monitor.  But, the connector between the two is so short that we ended
up putting the slab on its right-hand side, standing up, with the
slot for the disk drive at the top.  Standing right behind the monitor
in the available space, leaning against the wall.  A fine solution to an 
ergonomic AND a real-estate-on-the-desk problem, I thought.  The disk drive
seems to work that way reasonably well (i.e., not noticeably differently).

Then my friend Paul wandered by and he said, "Gee, I'm not sure I'd leave
that thing standing up that way..."  He didn't explain why.

QUESTION: is there any good reason why we _shouldn't_ leave Rachel's
slab standing in its upright position? 

   Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@banana.handheld.com>
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:23:49 GMT

In article <MS-C.703123291.377401575.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>I haven't heard from SEF.  But it seems that Jim De Arras bounces
>MIME.  

It was not a bounce.  It was simply a NeXTmail message.  I do not bounce
anything.  I just wanted to see if you had (or used) a NeXT.

And I stand corrected, there is a NeXTstep Mime grazer, that has been pointed
out to me by a number of e-mailers, thanks.  I took it from the tone of the
original posting that a NeXT could not be expected to decode the message. 
Given the content of the rest of that message, it was stupid of me to take that
assumption as a given.  I apologize to CSNM for my hurried response.  But I
still stand by my comment that a 730k posting with content that has no bearing
on csnm at all was not appropriate.  NG or otherwise.

It was flamebait.  I did not realize at the time that I'd bit.  Again, sorry.

Jim De Arras
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: spenton@irie.Colorado.EDU (Steve Penton)
Subject: WRI 1-800 # & MMA 2.0.4
Keywords: WRI,Mathematica
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:58:03 GMT

	Does anybody have the 1-800 # for Wolfram handy?

	Is it true that a simple phone call to this # will
        get you Mathematica 2.0.4 ?  (Thats the version that
        saves memory usage by loading the packages only as needed)



===================================================================
Steve Penton <spenton@irie.colorado.edu>	303-492-0895
Atmos. Planetary and Astrophysics Dept.
University of Colorado @ Boulder		NeXTmail Welcome !
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From: mao@harsof.hard_soft.co.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Apple II -> DOS
Keywords: AppleDOS, disk-drive
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: mao@harsof.hard_soft.co.at
Organization: Hard + Soft NeXTcenter, Vienna, Austria

Hi!

I know this isn't the right place for this posting, but we have to pay quite a  
lot more for more as 5 groups. (So I can't just open Apple II and post there.  
Or is it possible to reach the others?)

Is there a disk-drive out there for a normal MS-DOS maschine that can read  
AppleDOS 5 1/4" disks? We have tried a normal cable setup and communication  
software, but have a problem getting the data *clean* over on the DOS maschine.  
(We are loosing quite a lot of information...) We where thinking, maybe there  
where a drive for DOS that could read these disks.

Thanks, (And sorry for this posting)
---
Magne Olsen
e-mail : mao@harsof.hard_soft.co.at
phone ++43-1-716 26 16
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: Old Cube as a diskless station?
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:57:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.032400.8520@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M  
Carling) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.155031.13237@umiami.ir.miami.edu>  
> therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> > Can anyone give me advice on the following problem? -
> > 
> > I am likely to obtain an original cube with a broken OD but with
> > everything else probably working, including a printer.  I have
> > a 12MB color NeXTstation with a 400MB HD and a CDROM player, printer,  
> etc.
> > 
> > What is the least expensive way to get the old cube working so that
> > a student can use it?  Can it be run as a diskless station, connected
> > to the Color station via ethernet? (It will be less than 25 feet away
> > from the Color station.)
> 
> You could configure the color station to be a Netboot server. See the N&SA  
> manual. NeXT does not support Netbooting from a disk the capacity of which  
> is less than 660MB, but it works anyway, and you should be ok with just  
> one client. You would need to partition your 400MB disk.

You don't have to partition the disk.  I used a 330 cube as a netboot server  
with no partition.  No problem.

> 
> A better solution would be to get a hard disk for the cube. A 105MB disk  
> costs about $250.

Good idea, but use this a a swap drive only and continue to netboot.

Todd
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: minch@lotka.stanford.edu (Eric Minch)
Subject: Re: Next Dimension Video -- help wanted
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:47:55 GMT

Charles Fletcher writes
> I recently hooked up a VCR (actually an 8mm CamCoder) to a ND to tape
> a Mathematica animation from the screen. This turned out to be very  
easy
> using ScreenScape. The quality of the video was okay, but I had a  
couple
> of questions that I was hoping I could get help on to improve the  
quality.

Unfortunately I can't help here; I just want to piggyback on the  
question. We got our ND recently and haven't used any of its special  
capabilities yet; where is the documentation for NeXTtv, ScrenScape,  
and VideoApp? Where is the documentation on hooking the ND board up to  
video input and output? (Maybe there isn't any and I'm just supposed to  
intuit all this?)


Eric Minch             Any resemblance to the opinions of persons
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Stanford Genetics      dead, or imaginary--is purely fortuitous.
From: jblencoe@blencoe.chem.ornl.gov (James G. Blencoe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: The best price for Concurrence
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:16:58 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory


	I just called up NeXTConnection to inquire about the price of  
Concurrence, and they told me it costs $795!  I want to buy it, but that  
price is pretty steep.  Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase  
Concurrence for less than $795?  TIA.

Jim