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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:10:17 GMT

In article <28JUL199220384144@romeo.caltech.edu> joelong@romeo.caltech.edu
(Long, Joseph Louis) writes: 
|>DESPARATELY to be non-conformist that they look and act just like all of
|>the others. . . Isn't that self-defeating?
|>	I suppose that this is all in response to an article I saw quite some
|>time ago about 'exactly what a cyberpunk person is like.'  The 'fight
|>the standard' attitude seems to be the primary trademark.  Therefore,
|>isn't 'adhering to CP culture' an oxy-moron?
|
|Yup, maybe a lot of these people are more deserving of the title
|"rebel without a clue" than "cyberpunk."   :-)
|There was a bit in Phrack called something like "Real Cyberpunks"
|which listed a bunch of things that "real" cyberpunks are and do...
|one of them was something along the lines of "Real Cyberpunks wont give
|a shit about what I say a real cyberpunk is." and that was probably the
|most true statement in the article.
|
|joe                   "you call it hell... i call it warm."  -Edward KaSpel
|_____________________________________________________________________________

This is all well and cool, but, if you want your time spent contributing to
the "genre" or "subculture" or "phenomenon" or whatever you want to call it
to mean anything in any cultural or historical or whatever sense, then someone
has to look at it from the sociological perspective.

Btw - If it was in Phrack, then it *must* be true.  :) :).  Phrack has been
publishing such dribble that pumps up the remaining WarGames
generation-hackers for awhile now, trying to keep in-tact the futile remains
of the eLiTe, to an extent.  I'm not refering to the "real cyberpunks" thing,
which I don't think I've seen, but the old "real hackers" articles from the
mid-late-80s which ended up being nothing but  false bravado for 14 year old,
80 lb. kids with name's like "Merlin's Scythe" or "The Destruct0r".  The "real
cyberpunk" thing might've been done somewhat tongue in cheek, for all I know.
What issue was it in? 

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:35:04 GMT

>|The prosecution requests of the Court to sentence Mr. Gibson,
>|Mr. Sterling and Bantam Books to refund all royalties, fees, service charges,
>|and any other income from the sale of this book to the readers and bookstores

I'm really enjoying _Difference_Engine_.  One can get tired of 
traditional cyber-punk books after a bit...I think D.E. opens up a
whole new possibility of non-silicon based CP action.

Besides, there are alot of women with fair skin and real hips in this
book!  <sigh>      

-Thomas
 one flash clacker
 technoshaman


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: chanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Hanson)
Subject: Re: Agrippa
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 06:50:46 GMT

jbs@korova (jacques) writes:

>Why don't you just take photographs of each page or output the display to 
>a projection screen and photograph THAT? I think this is a fish story. 
>Granted, Neuromancer made a big splash, but what publisher would touch 
>such a baroquely self-indulgent work as Agrippa? Sounds pretty though. At 
>least there's one part of the story I might check out sometime. I can 
>always pop on over to the Houston Museum o' Fine Arts and look for 
>Ashbaugh's etchings (assuming they're on display).

  Having recently read _The Difference Engine_, only one question arises in my
mind. Everyone keeps discussing ways to duplicate the content of the alledged
_Agrippa_ thus allowing it to be read again, despite its efforts to self-
obliterate. What makes you think you'll want to read it again? ;) This _IS_
a Gibson book -- if _TDE_ is any indication, I'm not even sure I want to read
it the FIRST time. I'm going to forego the "pleasure" of reading _TDE_ again,
and in fact i seem to have conveniently misplaced it in moving. Crying shame
about that expensive paperbound.

>...and with that, the long-winded old cyberpunk falls asleep in his 
>Barcalunger.

  Ach, I hear ye. I'm still piloting a metal folding chair...

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Illuminati
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:02:53 GMT

In article <RV.92Jul23003916@cslab8a.cs.brown.edu> rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) writes:
|Is _The Illuminatus! Trilogy_ considered cyberpunk?
|
|rodrigo_vanegas@brown.edu
|_____________________________________________________________________________

Depends on who you talk to.  From a literary standpoint, I would say that
about 90% of those that have read Neuromancer have read the Illuminati
books... People who read Neuromancer are probably the same type of crowd that
would be prone to reading things....This gets into that area where the
postmodern/cyberpunk/pop-underground/fringe/and drug cultures overlap.

From a cultural standpoint, I would say most definitely yes.  Examples:  The
Illuminati BBS, run by Steve Jackson Games, makers of GURPS Cyberpunk and
GURPS Illuminati.  Robert Anton Wilson's appearance at raves, including one, I
think, hosted by Psychic TV.  

Personally, back to a literary view, I would put the books somewhere behind
William Burroughs works.  Ie:  these works are part of the gestalt pool of
references and information from which modern cp authors build, but they in and
of themselves are not an example of cp.

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From: shaun@octel.com (Ralph Neutrino)
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:45:51 GMT

In article <wVoooB9w165w@korova.uucp> system@korova.uucp (razorback) writes:
>ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>
>does a conformist know he is one? does a true nonconformist realize he 
>is?

I would suspect that true non-conformists would know from early childhood
onward, due to being beaten up frequently for being different.

>is there a such thing as the "hip" nonconformist?

The person who beat up children frequently as a youngster, and then suddenly
changes when he gets to high school or (even worse) college.

>why ask why? BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW THE FUCKING ANSWER! ahem. ok. 
>terribly sorry bout that.

Don't be sorry.  That's a fucking moronic commercial.  I've always wanted to
film one that went something like this:

<bunch of people sitting around a room, drunk and looking bored>

A: Hey, is there a beer left?
B: Yeah, in the fridge.
A: Hey C, get me a beer wouldja?
C: Get it yourself.
A: #@*(&!@**@ <gets up, weaves toward fridge>
D: B... man, I can't figure out your microwave! These thingssss are... <hic>
   are soo conflacapted.  Complic... plicated.
 <pause>
E: Now what?
B: I think I'm gonna hurl.  <hurls>

Voiceover:  "BEER!  When you want to be stupid!"

Disclaimer: I like being stupid sometimes.
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From: blewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Benn L. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: SMART DRINKS/NOOTROPIC
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:27:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1667.507.uupcb@matrix.sbs.com> wendell.martin@matrix.sbs.com (Wendell Martin) writes:
>Hey, a 3.7% (mean) increase in intelligence if I drink foul goop?
>Sign me up...  (Look, folks, you are what you are, all the Yoplait in
>the world [which the Scots threw at their enemies] won't help]).
>
>Comfortable where I am,
>
>Wendell
>                     


Alas, true cyberpunk food has been released by the MEGACORP: 
   (or at least marketed in a new way...)
I saw a commercial for it.  its a SPAMBURGER.
"you mean i can get 3 quarter pound hamburger's from one
can of spam and grill them to perfection?"
YES!
"well, spam is made of ham so it really is a HAMBURGER?"
YES!

there are chemicals in that which will drive your neurons CARRRAZZY...

yes, reality is already 20 minutes into the future...

BENN!
DIE!







Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: _The Adolescence of P1_
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:00:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1654@hydra.bucknell.edu> lesher@bucknell.edu writes:
>
>A couple of years ago, I read an old (late seventy-ish) book called
>The Adolescence of P1.  It was sort of like a biography of an early
>AI (fictional, of course).  Has anoyone else read it?  It seems pretty
>decent for a book that old--if I remember correctly, a lot of the Comp
>Sci stuff was as accurate as could be expected for a novel.
>
>Tim Lesher
><lesher@bucknell.edu>
>
>"We don't need no steenking .sig file!"

Yes, good book.  Try this one out at some time.
_The Forever Machine_ by someone who'm I think has a
last name that starts with "W" (don't have it in front of me
right now).

Read about a quarter of it, then look at the publishing date.
It could be set now, in the 90's.

petesk@microsoft.com


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: miodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Mike Odeen)
Subject: L.BOB.Rife
Organization: Nutrition Coordinating Center, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:21:14 GMT

 
Just wondering if anyone pondered ther same questions I did while reading 
_Snow Crash_...?

I got to thinking about L.Bob.Rife... Does he remind you of anyone in the real
world...?

How about...

		L.Ron.Hubbard

		or

		H.Ross.Perot


One of these guys started his own religion... and has a fondness for large
boats...

The other is a Texas Billionaire and wants to rule the world...

Nah... I must be thinking of someone else...


-- 
Michael J. Odeen
miodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu

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From: knappenp@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Trent)
Subject: Re: _The Long Run_
Organization: Followers of the Jigging Cat
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:01:14 GMT

In article <1665@hydra.bucknell.edu> lesher@bucknell.edu (T. Lesher) writes:
>Now another question.  I have read Gibson, but not Sterling.  I also read
>Daniel Keys Moran's _The Long Run_.  It's set in a futuristic U.S.A. where
>US civil war has been quelled by an action of the United Nations.  The Net
>figures heavily in this, as do interplanetary stations, off-world colonies,
>and cyberization (especially of officers in the UN Peacekeeper force.
>
>Any opinions on this book?  My impression is that it's a bit less gritty than
>Gibson's stuff, but good nonetheless.
>
>Also, I've been told that the preceding book, _Emerald Eyes_, is out of
>print and unlocatable.  Anyone wanna refute this and/or give me some leads?
>-- 
Wonderful book.  IMHO, it isn't true Cyberpunk, but great Sci-Fi nonetheless.
It has In-skins, (built-in computer links), AIs, and invulnerable cops,
but I think the mix of the genetically perfect thief who is also able
to pull off such things as walking through walls with this environment
removes it from the CP area.

And Emerald Eyes is out of print, but some places can apparantly still 
special order it...I was told at a bookstore that it was stockpiled
somewhere.  I found it at my local library.

There is also supposed to be a third in the series, but I've never seen it.

(Armageddon Blues is also a good book.)

-PaulK-

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jdover01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #1
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:46:41 GMT

Mike Wiik <mike@highlite.uucp> writes:
> Leigh Nystrom <ln0c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>>Does anyone out there have a copy of the first issue of Mondo 2000?
>>I'm curious about its contents -- would you be willing to send me
>>a summary/table of contents?  I have every issue but this one, and
>>am wondering if it's worth buying.
> 
>>Thanks,
>>--Leigh
> 
> The first Mondo 2000 is issue number 7. The next was number 2.
> It's wierd but true, and related to changing numbering schemes
> for High Frontiers, Reality Hackers, and M2K.
> 
> No summary is necessary. The first M2K is arguably the best (of
> the M2K's). It's the *CyberPunk* issue. Some of the info might be
> out-of-date, though... Still highly recommended...
> 
> 	-Mike

Odd numbering scheme. What's the 7th issue called (time for another
name change)? The only issue I've seen is _RH_ #6 (winter 1988), which
I found at a convenience store! Back issues of _RH_ were available from
High Frontiers. The inside back cover advertized the forthcoming 
"Cyberpunk issue." I looked for quite a while and never found another
issue of _Reality Hackers_, ANYWHERE.  This must have been the first 
issue of Mondo 2k?

- joseph -
From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mondo 2000 History
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:41:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

I'm a little confused by the M2 chronology.  I know it was an
offshot/retitling of Reality Hackers/High Frontiers but the
actual linear isn't clear.  Is HF still being published?  I've
never seen it.  Also is it possible to get back issues of either
mag?  If so, who from?

While I've heard of Mondo, my first issue was #5.  (I'm waiting for
the new #7).   I've found Mondo to be one of those mags that's hard
to describe/categorize, especially when you're trying to tell your
friends about it.   
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: CP Music
Keywords: Music Rap
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:56:19 GMT

nchepbur@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Neil Hepburn) writes:
|The only band that I can think of that has actually been quoted by
|reviewers as being out-and-out cyberpunk, is Voivod. [...]
|As a point of interest, their all time favourite book is Neuromancer.

How many books have they read?

	-Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: Re: Cyberhuman - Article about Stelarc (I-D feb 1992)
Organization: Industrial Cybernetics
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:24:54 GMT

In article <071492151900kafka@desert.hacktic.nl> kafka@desert.hacktic.nl writes:
>really need is a design approach. If you have a heart that wears out
>after 70 years, this to me is an engineering problem. We should start
>to re-engineer the body."

This is very nice, BUT, what about the mind? What up-and-coming technologies
will help to make replacing the mind possible? I do hope Moravec (1988)
isn't still the current interpretation. That's some time ago.

Neural networks?

	Nanotechnology?

		Biological Robotics?

			Molecular Biology?

I know that with every waking moment, neurons are dying. "Me, I'm crossing,
the bar, one neuron at a time."-Effinger, When Gravity Fails. 

And planting my seed into a woman's gut won't help matters much either.

/* Ice's Hypermedia Sig */ #include <cyberpunk.h> #include <industrial.h> 
Hardware required: biological neural net with _unsupervised_learning_
Audio() Burning Inside by Ministry; "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" 
Visual() Sarah Connor's flesh on fire blasted away leaving screaming skeleton 
From: Centurion@f6008.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Centurion)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Non-conformism
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:35:04

CAB>It just seems that no matter where you go; there is somebody trying so
CAB>DESPARATELY to be non-conformist that they look and act just like all of
CAB>the others. . . Isn't that self-defeating?
CAB>the standard' attitude seems to be the primary trademark.  Therefore,
CAB>isn't 'adhering to CP culture' an oxy-moron?

I agree... so many people trying to prove they're different are all alike. Like
the old saying goes, "THe more things change, the more they stay the same."

CAB>Curt's Law:
CAB> Just by definition, half of the population is of
CAB> below average intelligence.

How true...


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Ralph Neutrino)
Subject: Re: Agrippa
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:35:37 GMT

In article <L4PeoB5w165w@korova> jbs@korova (jacques) writes:
>
>BTW, this story reminds me of that San Francisco legend of the mysterious 
>Black Album that the Beatles supposedly recorded with the Rolling Stones 
>("That's DEFINITELY Lennon singing...I'd know Keith's chops anywhere!").

Are you sure?  Are you joking?  I can't tell.  I do know that there is
a Black Album that Prince recorded and never released, and copies are
very expensive.

Why would the legend you mentioned be an SF legend?  Groups of several million
people are notoriously bad at secret-keeping.

@Man

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Rave and Raves?
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:53:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.154745.21975@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
(Robert Hooker) writes: 
|
|OK, maybe i'm not very cool and CP and all;
|
|But what is a Rave or the Raves,  i read about it (he, she, them) all the 
|time and still have no idea what it is all about.
|_____________________________________________________________________________

Raves aree parties that usually begin arround 11pm or so...They are usually
illegal gatherings held in some vacant warehouse...The music is all techno...
There's usually a few DJS there, lasers, sometimes things like fractal
graphics and the video toaster...A lot of times there's drugs there, usually X
or acid, or nitrous, and sometimes ketamine, I've heard....There's also
usually a Smartbar...lots of shiny, happy people dancing around at 140bpm,
with little toys and such in lots of baggy clothes....

Read alt.rave for more info...

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From: shaun@octel.com (Ralph Neutrino)
Subject: Re: B.E.M.E.H.O.T.H.
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:47:57 GMT

(Last message from me today, I promise!)

In article <1992Jul26.024356.4125@nmsu.edu> rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes:
>
>For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, it is the guy
>who is riding around the country on that super bike hooked up to computers..
>radios..phones.. and everything.
>
>Well, on Donahue the other day, he said he was hooked up to Internet.
>
>Anybody out there know his address???

SLIP over cellular?  Yowch.  

What a perfect blackmail opportunity: "Buddy--gimmie 10 bucks or I'll email
ya some GIFs.  And I ain't kiddin'."



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From: joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis)
Subject: Re: c_punk movies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: JackAss, Moron, Fool, etc. 
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:25:00 GMT

In article <X7NFoB2w165w@rivdell.UUCP>, macduff@rivdell.UUCP (Lord Macduff) writes...
>11          4> >17273> 174>75> 176>77>  78> 9> 10>        > >1> 1> 17>  
>7               1> >  78 
> 
>f~f~xffff~ffffxxxfffffffffxxxfffffffffffffffffffxxxfffffxfffffffffxfffxxxf
>ffffxffxxxffffff~ffffffff~xffffxxxffffxffffffffffffffffffffxxxffffffffffff
>fffffffxxxfffff~xfffxxxffffffffffffff~xffffxxxffff~xffffffff~fffffffffffff
>fxxxffffffffffffffxxfffffxxxffffxffffxxxxfffff~fffffffffffffffxxxfffffxfff
>fffffxfffxxxfffffxxffxxxffffffffffffff~ffffxxxfffffffffffffffffffxxxffffff
>fxxxffff~xffffffff~~xf~xxfffffxxxffffxffffxxxffff~ffffffff~fxxxfffffxxxfff
>ffffffxxxfffffxxxffff~ffffffff~xffffffxxxfff~fffffxxxffff~xfffffffffxxxfff
[repeat 1E5 times]

Dude!  What the fuck?

***Action: joe briefly thinks... "It'd be nice to be able to kick 
           someone's ass on the net!"

Now that we all see how cool you are (I'm bowing to you right now) GROW UP!

thanks,
joe (as seen on That's Incredible)
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