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From: flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui)
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:40:11 GMT

In article <168577F91.SBACIR2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> SBACIR2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.162610.3329@news.iastate.edu>
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> 
>>
>>In article <278@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com> hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug23.035048.2215@sfu.ca> flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui) writes:
>>>That, however is not possible. Commodore has to concentrate on areas where
>>>good third-party products is *not* available - like Amigas and operating
>>>systems. :-)
>>
>>   True enough, but there are areas where Commodore could easily propel the
>>Amiga to the forefront of technology with very little development costs.
>>Amiga CD-ROM is one of them...
> 
>  I agree.  I have an A3000/25 with only 2.04 ROM.  I recently added a Pioneer
>DRM-600A.  This is a $900 CDROM drive using a magazine with 6 platters.  The
>developer of the CDROM driver didn't have an A3000 configured like my machine.
>Using "DiskChange" I can access any platter, but access should be transparent,
>and multitask smoothly with the rest of the operating system.  If Commodore
>were truly, or sensibly, committed to CDROM, the developer wouldn't have had to
>write a driver - Commodore already would have done it.  Also, I picked up the
>DiskTopLibrary from Walnut Creek.  If Commodore had worked with Walnut Creek,
>the thousands of documents on the disk would have a nice GUI interface instead
>of "muchmore".
>  I have access, albeit limited access, to over 3G of information via the
>Pioneer drive.  A number of CDs aren't even half full.  Commodore should work
>with CD publishers' to convert graphics, sounds, animations, text and interface
>programs to Amiga format.  After all, the bulk of the work for data collections
>is gathering the information.  Once that's done the rest is much easier.
>Let's hope Pasedena sees some action from Commodore in the CD arena.
[]

Good points.  Can someone help me understand CBM's rationale--why is it more
important to develop cheap CD-ROM drives for the A500, while A3000 owners are
forced to resort to buying a third-party drive and third-party driver software, 
often separately?  They would make LESS profit from development of a low-end
product, and not having a high-end product hurts the Amiga's viability in
key professional markets.  It seems to me that CBM isn't missing the know-how
(a credit to all those EXTREMELY competent engineers, etc.), but the sense
to know where to apply that know-how.

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From: SBACIR2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:04:12 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <1992Aug25.162610.3329@news.iastate.edu>
barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
 
>
>In article <278@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com> hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug23.035048.2215@sfu.ca> flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui) writes:
>>That, however is not possible. Commodore has to concentrate on areas where
>>good third-party products is *not* available - like Amigas and operating
>>systems. :-)
>
>   True enough, but there are areas where Commodore could easily propel the
>Amiga to the forefront of technology with very little development costs.
>Amiga CD-ROM is one of them...
 
  I agree.  I have an A3000/25 with only 2.04 ROM.  I recently added a Pioneer
DRM-600A.  This is a $900 CDROM drive using a magazine with 6 platters.  The
developer of the CDROM driver didn't have an A3000 configured like my machine.
Using "DiskChange" I can access any platter, but access should be transparent,
and multitask smoothly with the rest of the operating system.  If Commodore
were truly, or sensibly, committed to CDROM, the developer wouldn't have had to
write a driver - Commodore already would have done it.  Also, I picked up the
DiskTopLibrary from Walnut Creek.  If Commodore had worked with Walnut Creek,
the thousands of documents on the disk would have a nice GUI interface instead
of "muchmore".
  I have access, albeit limited access, to over 3G of information via the
Pioneer drive.  A number of CDs aren't even half full.  Commodore should work
with CD publishers' to convert graphics, sounds, animations, text and interface
programs to Amiga format.  After all, the bulk of the work for data collections
is gathering the information.  Once that's done the rest is much easier.
Let's hope Pasedena sees some action from Commodore in the CD arena.
   By the way you publishers of CDROMS turn on the "write" and the "delete"
protect bits for the files you master to CDROM.  It's a pain to use TURBOTEXT
and not be able to edit a file because it is read only.  See how much fun it is
to copy a drawer from a CD to an HD then have to turn on the delete bits on 30
files before you can delete them.  BTW, you tricksters, don't tell me your 40
tricks on deleting multiple files with delete bits turned off.  I don't want
to hear them.  I was tricking file systems while you were probably in diapers.
The point is: set the "write" and "delete" bits.
 
d.GAP  also wizard@gap.ir.sbac.edu |voice: 904-336-3510/FAX: 904-338-7822
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: XT.JGC@forsythe.stanford.edu (John Claudy)
Subject: Help:  Video Toaster
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:52:09 GMT

Do any of you who read this board use the Video Toaster to
mix video input from from three or four "live" video inputs
(cameras or video tape decks) to create a single, composite
output tape?  I need to do this and an Amiga + the Video
Toaster has been suggested as a cost effect way to get the
job done.  The reviews I have read sound like the Video
Toaster is a good system, but I have no experience at all
with it (or with an Amiga for that matter), so I would very
much appreciate hearing from anyone who has used this kind
of setup in the "real world."  I would also like to know what
kind of a "Gen Lock" system you are using to sync the various
video inputs.  Thanks for your help.

John
From: hugh@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:29:31 GMT
Organization: NTT Systems, Inc., Toronto, Canada

In article <168577F91.SBACIR2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> SBACIR2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>   By the way you publishers of CDROMS turn on the "write" and the "delete"
>protect bits for the files you master to CDROM.  It's a pain to use TURBOTEXT
>and not be able to edit a file because it is read only.  See how much fun it is

That's a pretty awful hack. The files can't be writable or deleteable.
People would yell and scream if those permissions were set. There's no
point in having permission bits if you're just going to ignore them.
The end result is the same as the "hacks" you hate that bypass file
permissions. 

People have posted explanations of how to change the permissions of a
copy you make to a writeable device, it works just fine, You don't
have a whole OS for nothing.

There's a more serious problem with read only filesystems under
AmigaOS. Some broken software either tries to write, or actually does,
when there's no need to. The solution to that, is to get your
application s/w fixed or switch to other s/w. If you can't avoid
running s/w that wants to put a write lock on your CD, then you need a
hack. CD-FS by Canadian Prototype Replicas has an option to tell the
driver to fake writes, and really send them to the bit bucket. That
fixes things as cleanly as possible, at the right place to do it, too,
I think.





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From: jshearer@sandbox.kenn.wa.us (Jeff Shearer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Amiga Clips is Dead (was RE: Marc Barrett's Brain is Dead)
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:40:23 GMT
Organization: The Sandbox, Public Access HP-UX

In article <1992Sep4.014329.11500@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   [Sorry -- I could not resist the subject line! :-) With my becoming famous

Neither could I.

>   Commodore produced a small package called "Amiga Clips Volume I: Sound
>Effects", which is exactly what the title implies -- a collection of 8SVX
>[stuff deleted]
>there has been no sign of any additional packages in the Amiga Clips series
>since.  Now how long can it take to put together simple package like this,
>anyway?
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

If it's so easy, then do it your goddamned self and quit bombarding us with
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui)
Subject: Re: Impulse defects!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.012208.14255@news.unomaha.edu> marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold) writes:
>Just read the Summer 1992 issue of the Impulse Gazette.  Allow me to post some
>of the more disturbing passages.
[]
>What do you expect these people to say?  I must admit their approach is very
>appealing to the Amiga crowd.  They could have said, "based on what we've seen
>at the Siggraph 92 show, obviously nothing is special about the Amiga anymore.
>And similarly, nothing is special about the price at which is can do it.  We
>are going to make programs for the PC so when the Amiga goes belly up, we wont"
>It was wise of them to phrase it: "the most capitalistic [reason] is that we
>here at Impulse would very much like to keep the doors open."  Nice try.

What's wrong with that?  Don't forget that you're comparing a market that is
at LEAST 20 TIMES the size of the Amiga market!  Even if Imagine for the PC
was a partial flop, it'd probably sell as many copies as the Amiga version!

>I hate to say it, but the Amiga isn't anything special anymore -- even when
>it comes to video.  Even Impulse says clones are cheap, and even they are
>gonna follow to masses for monatery reasons.  The Big C had better do 
>something real significant in the near future!

On the contrary, the Amiga IS still special for video.  No other computer
allows you to do video titling and other video effects for less.  Period.
That simple fact is what forces TV stations--and even Apple--to use it.
A cheap A500 can do it!  Meanwhile, every other computer out there requires
additional boards and faster processors for video.

Three-dimensional graphics, however, require brute processing power since
most of the work is comprised of mathematical calculations, i.e. a cheap
486 clone is more cost-effective as a rendering engine than an A3000T/040.

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From: Jamie_Krutz@a68k.denver.CO.US (Jamie Krutz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Making Movies
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:52:32 GMT
Organization: The Arvada 68K BBS- Westminster, CO

From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP) writes:
>>HAM-E, you can run a 24 bit movie off your hard drive. I've a movie
>>TERMINATOR 2 in my hard drive. (30 mins long)

I write:
>How did you digitize the audio and especially the video for this?

Shuk writes:
Use AGMSRecord, you can directly digitize the audio onto your hard
drive. In fact, you can see such kind of demo in every World of
Commodore Show.

And now I write:
What's AGMSRecord?  BTW I use the SunRize AD516 to digitize stereo 16 bit
audio to my hard drive.  But what I want to know is for your terminator 2
demo how did you digitize the real time video with synchronized audio?

Thanks,
 -Jamie

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From: johnv@acix.DIALix.oz.au (John Verhoeven)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re:  How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:20:07 WST
Organization: ACix - Private UUCP Node, Cloverdale, Western Australia.

In article <zarthac.716019321@camelot> zarthac@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>In <James_Hastings-Trew.0jzy@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>
>>In a message dated Tue  8 Sep 92 14:25, Sbacir2@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu wrote:
>
>>List >ram:foo files lformat="protect %n +REWDS"
>>execute ram:foo
>
>Even easier.... Use directoryopus or some other prog like that...

Yuk to both suggestions, although the first suggestion is slightly more
palatable.

Protect (under V2) takes wildcards, so why not 'protect #? +rwed'?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui)
Subject: Re: CDTV snubbed in CD ROM, Inc. Fall catalog
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:36:17 GMT

In article <65931@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>In today's mail I received a 100 page catalog from an outfit called
[]
>competition with CDI and is NOT compatible.  It is hard to find
>a retail outlet that carries it."

That's WIERD!  Up here in Canada, the situation is the complete opposite:
CD-I is nowhere to be found, but CDTV is in large stores like London Drugs,
Woodwards(?), etc.  Here in Vancouver, the only mention of CD-I is in computer
industry magazines.

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From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Help out a new Amiga user
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:16:52 CDT
Organization: Not an Organization

There was some discussion recently in the multimedia newsgroup about
whether to get a Mac or an Amiga for doing multimedia.  One of the
prime requirements was full-screen 30 fps animations.  I and several
others recommended the Amiga, and the person involved did wind up
buying an Amiga 3000, DCTV, adn Caligari.  Now he is having trouble
getting full-speed animation out of it.

Since I am not versed in either Caligari or DCTV, I hope that some
of you will take the time to EMAIL this person and see if you can
help him out.  Please respond to him directly be email, as he does
not read any Amiga groups at present.

Thanks!

> From:      daniel@lclark.edu (Daniel Snodgrass)
> Subject:   Re: Buying a multimedia system
>
> I recently purchased an Amiga 3000 and have been doing Caligari animations
> rendered in DCTV format.
>
> For the life of me, I can not get full screen, 30fps despite the fact that
> other Amigans claim it can do it.
>
> Go any suggestions on how to get around this problem.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dan Snodgrass
> Media Services
> Lewis & Clark College
> Portland, Or
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From: jwaa+@andrew.cmu.edu (John D. Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Making Movies
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:39:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Yef9wPq00WB289qppz
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hello,

I don't know if you already stated this, but just what is the method that you
use, from start to finish, to record a 24 bit animation with sound using HAM-E,
and AGMSRecord.  I assume that you use a frame accurate VCR.  What video and
audio digitizers do you use?   How large is that 30min. clip from T2?  Thanks
very much in advance for your help.

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: CDTV snubbed in CD ROM, Inc. Fall catalog
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:20:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In today's mail I received a 100 page catalog from an outfit called
CD ROM, Inc., 1667 Cole Blvd., Suite 400, Golden, CO 80401 USA. 
They sell an enormous number of CD ROMs of all description ranging
from $40 disks of clip art to scientific, political, geographical,
medical, and legal CD ROMs ranging in price all the way up to 
$10000 (yes.. ten thousand dollars) and higher.

They devote a few intro pages in the catalog to a section called
"What is..." where they "explain" the different disc formats, 
mfrs, and such. This is their entry under CDTV:

Quote
Commodore has announced a joint effort with Mitsui & Co. to form
a compact disc television CDTV consortium in Japan.  Its purpose
is to recruit Japanese companies to develop software and
other products for the CDTV platform.  CDTV is a stand alone
unit for the home television set and is CD-ROM based.
The proprietary hardware and software has been available
since March 1991 with 50 titles.  Early this year the
titles are expected to number 107.  This unit is in direct
competition with CDI and is NOT compatible.  It is hard to find
a retail outlet that carries it."
End of Quote.

This was the only mention of CDTV I could find anywhere in the
100 page catalog. They don't list any CDTV titles for sale at all.

Harv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: Amiga v. Mac (multimedia/video-editing)
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:13:06 GMT

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0jaw@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>
>Objectively speaking, I really don't know what the use for QuickTime is,
>other than demonstrating QuickTime, and adding a few poorly done animations
>to some CD encyclopedia sets. The Amiga ANIM format is more compact, and
>plays back at full screen, with better frame rates than do 2x2 inch
>QuickTime movies. I'd give up 8 bit colour in a tiny window to animate 6
>bit colour on an full sized, overscanned monitor any day.
>
With DCTV or HAM-E plus, you can animate full 24 bit full screen overscan
animation instead of 8 bit. I think this is what MAC can't do. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: dege@milli.cs.umn.edu (Dege Jeffrey Charles)
Subject: Re: Amiga Clips is Dead (was RE: Marc Barrett's Brain is Dead)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:18:51 GMT

In <1992Sep7.012306.21976@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>   Why should I lift a finger to help Commodore?  It's their goddamned
>machine.  I'm doing enough for them by bringing their quiet efforts to kill
>of the machine into the spotlight.  I don't need to do any more for them.

>   BTW, you shouldn't be one to be calling be brain dead, as it is obvious
>that you cannot even post a message correctly.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------


    Why is it that no matter how I edit my kill file, this tripe keeps
showing up?  I thought I had you killed for good the last time!
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: Making Movies
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:32:02 GMT

In article <Jamie_Krutz.0hd0@a68k.denver.CO.US> Jamie_Krutz@a68k.denver.CO.US (Jamie Krutz) writes:
>From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP saysShowMaker is the one you
>need. It can play full screen animation and
>>HAM-E, you can run a 24 bit movie off your hard drive. I've a movie
>>TERMINATOR 2 in my hard drive. (30 mins long)
>
>How did you digitize the audio and especially the video for this?
>

Use AGMSRecord, you can directly digitize the audio onto your hard
drive. In fact, you can see such kind of demo in every World of
Commodore Show.
From: Steven_Hurdle@amusers.UUCP (Steven Hurdle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Mouse and HD for CDTV?
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Sep 92 10:28:12 PST
Organization: The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

Commodore Canada recently officially announced their internal (probably
2.5" IDE like on the A600) Hard Drive for the CDTV.  This was broadcast to
the world in my "break" of the officiality of this and the DCTV display
board for the CDTV and the official acknowledgement of the A4000.  I also
posted that the next version of AmigaVision will be called "AmigaVision 3.0
Professional".  I discussed some other things too, including the fact that
the AA ChipSet was officially recognised as existing, though Commodore reps
were as tight as ever regarding the actual specs.  I now have the specs on
at least some of the video system (though I can't leak it without risking
getting my source in trouble who wanted confidentiality) but I can
confidently say to those who're wanting a LOT more colour, that you need
not worry.  I know nothing about whether the blitter is faster, the quality
of the audio or the number of channels, etc.  We will all know on Sept. 12
hopefully as Commodore plans to show the A4000 to the world there at WOC
Pasadena.

   BTW, I know I got it right (in case anyone's wondering) because
Commodore reps called my dealer the next day after I posted the original
message to Usenet!  :)


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