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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Dizzy's Passing
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:25:27 -0600
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In article <1993Jan12.031900.9025@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) writes:
>Interested, Miles thinking that Diz and Satchmos' clowning were kissing
>up to the white press. In Diz autobiography, "To Be or Not to Bop",
>Diz remembers that he used to criticize Armstrong for the same thing.
>Later on  he reflects that Louis smiling may have had a deeper meaning,
>i.e., "No matter how the white man puts me down, he can never take
>my music away from me." He felt more respect for Armstrong after
>this reflection.

There also was Louis' run in with President Eisenhower about the
segregation.  I am trying to remember the exact details... but I think
Louis said something that was critical of Eisenhower and it caused
contraversy.  When someone suggested that Louis apologize, he said, "I
will when the President and I walk arm in arm with the students who want
to go to school". (again, paraphrasing)

A lot of people did criticize Louis, but most have taken that back.
What I find as time goes by, the more you see Louis, the better he
looks, and the people who put him in those situations look worse and
worse.

Jeff

>
>From Diz' autobiography, it can be seen that he and many other of the
>1940s jazz musicians grew up in rather rough environments. They often
>carried weapons such as knives or straight razors, and occasionally
>had to use them.
>
>-- 
>Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
>919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu


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From: jwinsch@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (john winsch)
Subject: Dizzy's Passing
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:51:43 GMT


   'Caught Diz many years back with Mike Brecker, Chick Corea,
  Eddie Gomez, and Steve Gadd, while in the front row of Carnegie 
  Hall. "Blow 'em up, Diz !" someone yelled from the balcony, as
  he walked on stage. After a great smile he did so, and I was
  in heaven shortly afterwards. The sounds of that night will be
  with me forever...Thanks, Diz.

  John M. Winsch
  Dep. of Engineering
  Northeastern University
  jwinsch@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu


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From: marc@fc.hp.com (Marc_Sabatella)
Subject: Re: Monk "book"
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:01:24 GMT
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william.j.hery (wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
: 
: A quick look at the Monk discography included in the Mosaic Monk box
: lists a little over 70 Monk compositions that he recorded; 53 were
: recorded by some time in the mid-late 50s, which was when Lacy was
: most seriously into Monk, so at the time Lacy learned the "book" that
: might have been all than Monk had composed.

I know that last year, when I started to put such a "book" together, I was able
to come up with 64 tunes just from recordings I had and/or other transcriptions
from fakebooks I had.  I got about 15-20 of the heads transcribed neatly and
relatively accurately, and started to look into getting it published, when I
was told (by someone at BMI, I think) that Don Sickler (who owns many of the
copyrights to Monk's compositions) was in the process of doing the same thing,
and was unlikely to grant me permission to publish mine.  I've been waiting
to see it ever since, but no sign of it.  I've got Don's number; someday soon
I'll probably give him a call and find out what gives.  If he's given up, I may
start working on mine again.

Marc
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From: canete@stingray.micro.umn.edu (Jose Jacala Canete)
Subject: a question...
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:36:19 GMT

I was just wondering, is this newsgroup the proper forum for stuff on
jazz fusion too or is this restricted only to "mainstream jazz" ?
There doesn't appear to be a newsgroup such as rec.music.jazz.fusion,
so maybe the network readers here won't mind reading things about
fusion artists (well, there's been a couple of postings on the Yellow
Jackets, which could fit into either jazz fusion or "mainstream", but
I'd classify them as fusion artists myself).

I've got the "Politics" CD of YJ, and my favorite piece there is "The
Tortoise and the Hare".   I also find their accompaniment of Ms. Randy
Crawford on her live versin of "Imagine" (by John Lennon) a tour de
force performance.

Any Acoustic Alchemy fans out there?  Special EFX fans?

Jojo Canete
jcanete@physics.spa.umn.edu

"I ain't takin' no 'mo of dis crap!!!" -- Christos Velissaris

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From: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump)
Subject: Re: The Tonight Show
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:00:50 GMT

Gidi Avrahami writes:
>Bitching about the lack of high quality jazz programming on the
>Tonight Show is pretty stupid, don't you think?  Might as well
>complain about Oprah not featuring enough discussions on Pre-Raphaelite
>painting.
>
You're right, of course.  But on the other hand, Oprah didn't make a big
deal about hiring Dante Gabriel Rossetti as her artistic director. :-)
-- 
Roger Stump  (rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu)
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
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Subject: Re: Another master is gone....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:26:28 GMT
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Doug Cook (cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com) wrote:
: 
: Well, I've got a jam session tonight; we'll definitely be busting
: up some Diz tunes to bid him a farewell.

Ditto, although I've always thought this a rather morbid practice.  It can, if
done on a large enough scale for ASCAP/BMI to notice, give his beneficiaries
a slight boost in their royalty checks, I suppose.  Most people would argue it
would have been better to do this while Diz was alive - especially while he was
in the hospital.  This is probably less true for Diz than for other musicians
who were seriously destitute at the end of their lives.

Oh well, I expect to hear "A Night In Tunisia" more times in the next week than
I have heard it in the last four years combined.  It seems to be the only one
of his tunes that made it into "The Real Book" and is known by most musicians.
I suppose it is as fitting a tribute to his personality as any other tune I can
think of - as "Blue In Green" was for Miles.  But here's hoping someone besides
me calls up "Con Alma", "Things To Come", "Salt Peanuts", and other less played
yet equally "Dizzy" compositions.

--
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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Don Cherry suggestions?
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:35:25
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In article <RSHAPIRO.93Jan5142145@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
   Other notable early Cherry appearances: with Coltrane and Ornette's
   rhythm section on the Atlantic album THE AVANT-GARDE; and with Steve
   Lacy on a terrific record of Monk & Ellington tunes, EVIDENCE. And the
   stuff with Sonny Rollins.


And, of course, the New York Contemporary 5, an excellent 1963 band
featuring Cherry, Archie Shepp and John Tchicai. How could I have
forgotten...


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From: marvo@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ronald.f.roberts)
Subject: Re: Art Pepper (was: Hello!,NEW TO News Group)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:43:59 GMT

In article <lmcohen.35be@terapin.com> lmcohen@terapin.com (Lee Cohen) writes:
>I have a relatively complete discography of Pepper and show a couple of other
>items on on Atlas.  "Jack Sheldon and his West Coast Friends" and "Pete Jolly
>and His West Coast Friends, Strike Up The Band".  There's also "Shelly Manne
>and his Hollywood All Stars" with, Jolly, Waltrous, Cooper, Budwig.  To my
>knowledge only the Sonny Stitt selections made it to CD. 

To my knowledge, here is the rundown on Atlas LPs (with Art Pepper) issued:

	Atlas 1001 "Angel Wings" Jack Sheldon & West Coast Friends
	Atlas 1003 "Strike Up The Band" Pete Jolly & West Coast Friends
	Atlas 1004 "Groovin' High" Sonny Stitt & West Coast Friends
	Atlas 1007 "Atlas Blues-Blow & Ballade" Sonny Stitt & WCF
	Atlas 1012 "Hollywood Jam" Shelly Manne & WCF
	Atlas 1016 "High Jingo" Lee Konitz & WCF
	Atlas 1023 "Art Pepper: Sideman" Unissued Material From Above Titles

Is anyone aware of any other Atlas titles with Art Pepper?




-- 

Ron Roberts
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From: jdh64@cas.org (Dave Huddle)
Subject: Re: Andy LaVerne
Reply-To: jdh64@cas.org
Organization: What, Me Organized?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:48:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.085234.29535@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>,
frank@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Anton Frank) writes:
|> 
|> A few days ago I heard a tune played by a jazz-musician called AndyLaVerne.
|> 
|> I didn't find anything about him in my jazzbooks, so I would be glad if
|> anyone
|> of you could tell me a few things about him.
|> 


There is an Andy LaVerne (pianist) that has a couple of CD's on the DMP label.
"Liquid Silver" (CD-449)-a quartet with John Abercrombie, Peter Erskine & Eddie
Gomez--dedicated to the influence of Bill Evans.
"Jazz Piano Lineage" (CD-463)--interpretations of Thelonius Monk, Herbie
Hancock, Dave Brubeck, and others. 

He's also on "Magic Fingers" with guitarist Chuck Loeb--DMP--CD-472.
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From: jan@cci632.cci.com (John Nicowski)
Subject: Re: ALbert King Reccomendations
Keywords: Albert King recommendations
Organization: Northern Telecom, NASG
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:29:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.160826.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> aalpern@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>Sorry I don't have my albums nearby, so I don't have the catalog #'s,
>but some of the best Albert King (also some of the best blues ever recorded-
>and it's funky two) are Albert's albums on the Stax and Stax/Volt labels.
>
>Names to look for are "Lovejoy" - Superb! Includes a cover of the Rolling
>	Stones "Honky Tonk Woman" - I think it surpasses the original.
>	Check out "Going Back to Iuka" on that album for pure groovin'
>	booty-movin' funky blues.
>	-"I Wanna Get Funky" How can you resist an album with a title like
>	that. The title track is a beautiful mid-tempo minor blues. This
>	album's got horns on it. If memory serves me correctly, "Lovejoy"
>	doesn't. Booker T and the MGs are the backup band for most of
>	Albert's work on Stax I believe.
>	-"Jammed Together" This is not an Albert King album per se, but a
>	collaboration between Steve Cropper, Pop Staples, and Albert. I'm
>	pretty sure this one is NOT available on CD, but it's worth getting
>	on album or cassette, because it is one SWEET album. There are three
>	vocal tunes (each one of them did one vocal), and seven instrumentals.
>
The premiere Albert King list, in my opinion is:
	Born Under A Bad Sign: includes Crosscut Saw, Kansas City, Pretty
	Woman, the title cut, etc.  The very essence of King, and one of
	the greatest blues recordings ever.  Made it to CD recently, as
	did Jammed Together (see above).

	Live Wire / Blues Power: simply awesome live blues guitar.

	Door to Door (w/ Otis Rush): almost too much talent for one CD.

Whatever.  John.
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: On Drugs, Bebop and The Wire
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:18:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>> hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:
> 
>> According to her, *lots* of the young players in New York are doing
>> heroin steadily, including a variety of the bigger names.  This
>> came as a big unhappy surprise to me.
> 

Heroin has always been pretty cheap... I mean pot now goes for what, about $200
an ounce here in MA.  When I was in high school 20 years ago, it was about $15
an ounce and ten years ago when I graduated from college it was still only
about $40 an ounce.  I may be naive but I've never come across any smack yet in
my musical endeavors, although I did play with some guys in my garage band days
who later started using.  There's no argument that booze and pot are
*everywhere*, over a period of 15 years I have yet to play in a band where
someone wasn't smoking (OK, my church choir hasn't toked up yet) and
*everybody* seems to drink.  Most of my contacts are not into coke anymore
(unless they're hiding it pretty well!) either.  Which is fine with me.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

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From: mdcolby@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Carol Sloane discography
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:04:08 GMT
Reply-To: mdcolby@OCTAVO

There was some interest here in Carol Sloane a few weeks back.  Just in case
it hasn't totally died out, I'm posting this discography.

Rec. date  Title                    Label               CD issue?    Notes
---------- ----------------------   ----------------    ---------    -----
1961       Out of the Blue          Columbia            Japan
1962       Live at 30th Street      Columbia            Japan
1963       Early Hours              Columbia            Japan         *
1964       Carol & Ben (Webster)    Honey Dew           no
1975       Subway Tokens            Moonbeam            Japan
1977/1983  Midnight Sun             LOB                 Japan         **
1977       Sophisticated Lady       Audiophile          no
1978       Cottontail               Choice              Japan
1979       Carol Sings              Progressive         Japan
1982       As Time Goes By          Eastwind & FourStar U.S.
1984       A Night of Ballads       Baybridge           Japan
1984?      Live with Joe Puma       Baybridge           Japan
1986       But Not for Me           CBS/Sony            Japan
1989       Love You Madly           Contemporary        U.S.
1990       The Real Thing           Contemporary        U.S.
1991       Heart's Desire           Concord Jazz        U.S.

Notes:
*          This may never have been released on LP at the time or recording.

**         This may be a CD reissue of two different Japanese LPs.

Accuracy of this list.  Eleven of these titles I own, in some format.  
Three more I have either seen and maybe heard.  The existence of two I
know of only through listings in discographies or catalogs.

BTW--if anyone has a copy of "Carol & Ben" they wouldn't mind selling . . .

Michael Colby
Shields Library, University of California, Davis
mdcolby@octavo.ucdavis.edu
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
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Subject: Re: Hello!,NEW TO News Group
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:28:17 GMT
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Glenn W. Lea (gwl@specialist.genrad.com) wrote:
: M-FS> what
: M-FS> can you tell us (well, me :-)) about Sonny Criss, Harold Land and
: M-FS> other so-called "black California" jazz musicians?
: 
: M-FS> I know next to nothing about Criss except that he plays on an
: M-FS> anthology called BLACK CALIFORNIA that gary Giddins raved about 
: M-FS> once and which I've never seen in stores.
: 
: Sonny Criss' "Sonny's Dream - Birth of the New Cool" is an amazing set
: of music written and arranged by Californian Horace Tapscott.  It was
: reissued as an OJC about a year ago and I recommend it highly.  Criss
: plays some searing soprano and alto against a fairly large ensemble.
: Not at ALL Cool Jazz in the normal sense.

Phil Woods, in one of the most pitiful Downbeat "Blindfold Test" performances
in recent memory (both in terms of identifying musicians and in terms of saying
intelligent things about the music), guessed "Sonny Criss" when they played for
him a recording of Cannonball Adderly.  That was the first I had heard the
name, and I've still never heard him, but have assumed he sounds like
Cannonball.

Harold Land is still around, recording for, I believe, the "Timeless" record
label.  He's never particularly impressed me.  Most recent recording I have
him on is by Jon Faddis.  I can't think of the name - it was one of the very
first CD's (as opposed to LP's) I ever bought - but it is a tribute to Louis,
Roy, and Diz.

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From: crispops@world.std.com (Dale A Smoak)
Subject: Re: Solo Cecil (was Re: akisakila, by c.t.)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:46:21 GMT

hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu) writes:

>Dale Smoak:
>> 
>> If you're looking for one Cecil album, or a next Cecil album, I'd say
>> get *The Eighth* on Hat Art.  It's a quartet with Jimmy Lyons, alto

>I listened to this a while back, and I don't remember it turning
>me on. For the Cecil beginner, I'd recommend something like
>Nefertiti, the Beautiful One has Come (with Lyons and Sunny
>Murray), which unfortunately is not easy to find. Or maybe something
>even more conservative like Air or one of the late '50s dates.

Nefertiti is a terrific album, the first one that documents Cecil's music
being propelled by pulse rather than tempo.  The album ought to be widely
available, but this isn't a perfect world.

It looks like you're suggesting, aside from your different take on *The
Eighth*, that a newcomer to Cecil find a more conservative album.  I've
long wondered whether people actually work up from, hmmm, what would we
call it? Easier to harder music? Does it really work to give 'em the
Yellowjackets, say, and eventually they'll be ready for Coltrane?

I've always doubted this.  I've seen more than one interview where the
musician said he found *Unit Structures* in the cutout bins and was able
to relate to it immediately.  And I remember being utterly transfixed by
Roscoe Mitchell's *Nonaah*; I couldn't get off the couch until it was
over.  It changed my life, you know?

But this summer I taught an intro to jazz class to adult beginners.  The
first class I did was an overview that included Armstrong, Bessie Smith
and a few other people.  But when I played Charlie Parker's "Now's the
Time" as an example of blues, people were baffled by it.  I'd assumed that
what Bird had done had been absorbed enough into the pop mainstream such
that when he played blues, it'd at least be recognizable as blues.  But it
wasn't.  I found that I was going to have to present the basic chunks, the
basic elements of the music with the simplest, clearest musical examples
possible.  

Perhaps this shouldn't have surprised me.  I'd assumed that a class
attended mainly by educated professionals in their twenties and thirties
would attract people who were more cognizant of, say, Wynton Marsalis than
Louis Armstrong.  But Wynton was difficult and Louis, if not exactly easy,
was approachable.

I have some music in my background; you probably do; most readers of this
newsgroup probably do.  I'd forgotten how much of a difference it can make.

Still, when I see someone come on and ask, "What's a good Cecil Taylor
album to get?" I tend to pick what I think is strong, without
consideration for what I think is easier to get a handle on.

Hmmm, what did I learn from that class?

Dale
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: ALbert King Reccomendations
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:17:06 GMT
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If you can find it (I made this recommendation the first time
this discussion came up) perhaps the definitive showcase of
Albert's guitar soloing is the 5 minutes plus version of
"Cold Sweat", available on a Stax 7" single b-side: chorus
after chorus after chorus of string bending fury.


....
jimh@west.sun.com

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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Hello!,NEW TO News Group
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mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:
>Welcome to rec.music.bluenote. Given your particular expertise, what
>can you tell us (well, me :-)) about Sonny Criss, Harold Land and
>other so-called "black California" jazz musicians?

I'll second Glenn Lea's strong recommendation for SONNY'S DREAM, with
all compostions and arrangements by Horace Tapscott--and I'll have to
thank r.m.bluenote lurker Mark Detwiler for recommending it to me.

There is also a Criss CD (on Fresh Sounds?) in the cut bins at the Tower
Annex in NY that I just haven't gotten around to picking up yet...

As for Land, his biggest claim to fame was his stint in the Clifford
Brown-Max ROach quintet; he was Rollins predecessor. Lately, he's been
a member of Bobby Hutcherson's group and the "Timeless All Stars" (which
includes Hutcherson also. I would call him a solid bop/hard bop tenor
saxist who happens to be from California--not from the "cool" or "west
Coast" school, but also not going in as distinctive a direction of the
other "black Californians" you are thinking of (Criss, Bradford, J Carter,
Tapscott, Blythe, Murray, etc.)

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Hello!,NEW TO News Group
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:58:53 GMT
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Organization: Brandeis University

In article <lmcohen.33ig@terapin.com>, lmcohen@terapin.com (Lee Cohen) writes:
>I'd like to introduce myself and say that I've enjoyed reading the posts on
>this forum the last few days and would like to join in.  I've been a jazz fan
>for 20 years and collect CD's, videos, books, and just about anything I can get
>my hands on.   My special passion is ART PEPPER.  Currently my CD collection
>includes 80 PEPPER titles, this of course includes the Fantasy Box Set and a
>number of Japanese and European imports.  I have a special interest also in all
>the music of the "West Coast", primarily becasue of PEPPER, and the fact that
>I'm a native Californian...

Welcome, Lee!  I've actually been thinking about picking up some Art Pepper.  
The only thing I currently own is a couple of Pacific Jazz Chet Baker/Pepper 
reissues (PLAYBOYS and THE ROUTE).  What's your suggestions for the first 
couple Pepper CDs everyone should own?

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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