From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:42:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.100302.3508@idacom.hp.com> russil@idacom.hp.com
(Russil Wvong) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>I think you are confused with the different chinese groups that are involved in
>>>WWII. There are four groups which I can think of:
>>>1. Mainland chinese 2. Taiwanese  3. oversea chinese that are directly
>>>affected by the war. 4. Oversea chinese that are not directly affected.
>>>I believe that malaysian chinese belongs to group 3.
>>
>>What kind of crap is this?
>>
>>The "overseas Chinese" are _not_ Chinese.  They are Americans, French, etc.
>>I just "love" it when a Chines-cu twit lumps them all under the label
>>Chinese.
>
>Dwight, you have *no* clue what you're talking about.  None whatsoever.
>*You're* the one who's lumping all Chinese responding to you into the same
>"Chinese-cu" category, accusing them of crimes against humanity!  For
>Christ's sake, Dwight, these people are from *Singapore*, not *China*!
>What do the 228 Incident, the occupation of Tibet, the Great Leap Forward,
>the Cultural Revolution, or Tiananmen Square have to do with them??!!

As soon as a person, not from China, calls himself Chinese, then
he should be lumped with the Chinese-cu.  However, if the person 
says, "I am not Chinese.  I am Singaporean.", then I won't lump
him.

Speaking of blame, Mr. Wvong should look closely at what I wrote.
At no point did I say that the Chinese owe any kind of apology
outside of the context when Chinese bastards demand an apology
from the Japanese for WWII.  That's exactly what Chinese say (paraphrased),
"The Japanese should apologize for WWII, with regards to specific
numbers and incidents."

Note that the Chinese might do a hoodwink and say, "Hey man!  We
are just demanding an apology from the Japanese gov't."  Well,
what gov't might that be?  The gov't responsible for WWII was
dismantled.  It no longer exists.  But as long as Chinese bastards
say that the current Japanese gov't should apologize for specific
instances in WWII, then all gov'ts of predominantly Chinese nations
should apology (including Chinese gov'ts oppressing a non-Chinese
majority like on Taiwan).  That includes Singapore and China.

(Note that the Chinese on Singapore call themselves Chinese.
Until such time that they say, "I'm Singaporean.  I'm not Chinese."
or until such time as they have the same attitudes of nth generation
Asian-Americans--i.e. "I'm American.  I'm not Asian", those Chinese
on Singapore should be lumped with the group that they want to be
part of.)

I view people as individuals.  Individual Chinese are no more responsible
for events like the Cultural Revolution than the Japanese are responsible
for Nanjing.

_BUT_ as long as Chinese savages demand an apology from the Japanese,
then Asian-Americans (and other Americans) should demand an apology
from the Chinese.  That includes an apology for murdering American
boys during the Korean War, a war that took place shortly after 
a war when millions of Americans died to stop the Japanese advance
into China.

(And if what the Chinese did during the Korean War is not backstabbing
America, then what the hell is?)

>...

There's no need to lecture me about seeing people as individuals
and supporting individual rights and liberties.  As an American,
I support those views totally.  I have repeatedly criticized the
Chinese view that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu = Chinese-ci.  It is
in direct contraction to what I believe.

But as long as Chinese jerks demand an apology from the Japanese
and those same jerks call themselves Chinese-cu, then we Americans
should insist--in fact, demand--an apology from the Chinese-cu
in all predominantly Chinese-cu nations.

I have nothing against Chinese-ge, per se.  Note that I have _never_
criticized Chinese-ge children.  But Chinese-cu twits are another
story.

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