HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Subject: Re: Santa Clara Measure "A"?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.234822.25072@leland.Stanford.EDU>, garygm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Brainin) writes:
> 
>    I've seen a lot of discussion about SMCo's B and C, but being a
> resident of Santa Clara county, I'm understandably more interested in
> it's A.
> 
>    Having lived in Palo Alto a couple of years, I know how bad the
> traffic situation can be.  I also know, however, how little use the
> mass transit system is to me as an alternative.  I think it would be a
> good idea if we had a better transit system, but my quesiton is is
> Measure A the way to achieve that goal?
> 
>    I know precious little about the details (only what was in my
> little election booklet), so I was hoping that someone around here
> might have an opinion.  Anyone?

You may want to look at older articles for the discussion (is this
group archived anywhere?).  The only help Measure A gives Palo Alto
is a vague promise to improve Caltrain.

I recommend voting against it, since I don't think it will be very
cost-effective.  Also, supporters claim that it will only last 20
years.  However, the money to operate the light rail lines that it
builds also comes from the same tax.  So early on, most of the money
will go to build light rail, with some used for finishing some road
projects.  As time goes on, more and more money will be used to pay
operating costs for the lines that are built.  After it expires, we
will have to pass another transportation sales tax extension to
continue operating the lines built (or suffer massive service cuts).

Another thing to remember is that we already have a .5 cent transit
sales tax in Santa Clara county (permanent -- passed in 1976; measure
A would make it effectively .95 cent amortized over 20 years).

The current LRV system (as well as the bus system) covers 13% of its
operating (not capital) costs from fares, an abysmally low number.
If you believe we need more transit at any price, then you will
probably want to vote for it.  If you want cost effectiveness, then
you will probably want to vote against it.

> 
> 			-Gary

jeremy

Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Dirty CalTrain Windows
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:32:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct16.044939.9757@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>	I once read somewhere that AC Transit used to be much better
>when its head actually rode the buses.
>
>	I think that this would be an interesting test of transit
>executives -- do they actually ride their own systems?

Well, sometimes people can't arrange to ride the systems depending on
other factors in their lives ("my wife works in Tracy and I have to
live in between") but I think you've got a point.

Personally, it irks me that SamTrans' headquarters is on California
Drive in Burlingame.  It is accessible on the 7B, which isn't too bad,
but you'd think they could have put it in a better location.  It's not
terribly close to either Burlingame or Broadway CalTrain stations.

Let's see.  MUNI's headquarters is on Geary and Presidio, Santa Cruz's
is on Walnut and Center (close to several bus lines and not too far
from the big bus center), BART and MTC's are right on the Lake Merritt
BART station...

 =Aaron=
-- 
Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: (B)ART & (C)alTrain to stay on SMCo. ballot
Keywords: bart caltrain performance cost rehash
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:12:42 GMT

In article <4343@wet.UUCP> editor@wet.UUCP (Eric Swanson) writes:
>Haven't we been through this?
>
>Although the _total_ cost of a BART-ified CalTrain might
>approach the total cost of BART itself, remember that much
>of this money has ALREADY BEEN SPENT on CalTrain -- many
>grade separations have been done, track has been laid, and
>so on.  To install BART is to start from scratch, and throw
>out the investments we've already made.  Remember, SP still
>has freight rights on that track, so we can't just run BART
>in the current ROW -- BART would need new ROW and/or
>elevated track to share ROW.
>
	I thought the big cost to BART-ifying CalTrain is purchasing
the real estate to get it from 4th and Townsend To Market street.
Wasn't this around a half a billion dollars?

Newsgroups: ba.windows.x,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: Looking for Fax software
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:12:00 GMT

I am trying to find a fax sending and possibly receiving package
for the following environment:

Although we have Sun's, I also have an AT&T 730X terminal which
runs Motif X11R3.  We already have Faxtool and/or IsoFax on the
Suns which run fine, but their fonts (which are X11R4), aren't
accomodated by the 730X terminal (which is X11R3).

Any possible ftp addresses or the specific names of the applications
would be appreciated.

Thanx

Omar
omar.farooq@att.com

P.S  If possible, please e-mail directly to me.
Newsgroups: ba.housing,su.market
From: dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz)
Subject: WEST MENLO PARK - Room in house available - $390/mo
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 03:48:26 GMT


MENLO PARK (WEST)

Room in GREAT HOUSE available approx. November 1st.

Rent $390.00 per month plus one fifth of utilities, phone, etc.

The house is located on a hillside with a sweeping view eastward
toward the Bay and beyond, through the living room's big plate glass
window or from the nice front deck.  It is in a quiet, safe residential
neighborhood (I don't bother locking my car).

Stanford is about two miles away, SLAC about a mile and a half.

There is a LARGE kitchen with a dishwasher, a rec room, a nice
living room with sofas, television, and VCR.  The house has
two bathrooms and two refridgerators.  There is also a large back
patio.  The landlady is congenial, reasonable, and punctual about
fixing the rare problem that crops up.

There are five bedrooms total.  The other residents are in their
mid-twenties, including three Stanford grad students (two in engineering
and one in education) and one who works in the real world.  We
are a friendly congenial group.

Interested?  Reply to this account, or better yet, leave a message
on 854-7196.
From: chesl@garnet.berkeley.edu (Gail Chesler)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: when is National Coming Out Day?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:26:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <ld4913INNac0@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> jdn@europa.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Nisewanger) writes:
>Does anyone know of where I might buy National Coming Out Day
>T-shirts?

and when is it?  I might participate this year.
From: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: re: Amelia's
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:21:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhiannon.sitka.sun.com


Amelia's, the womans bar on Valencia (?) in San Francisco closed
about a year ago.  I am not sure what it is now.
From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Grand Illusion, Part II
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:40:44 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <17779@autodesk.COM>, mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct13.151228.9559@pcnntp.apple.com>,  (Craig Webb) writes:
> > 
> >We are essential to them knowing who they are.
> 
> Perhaps we can charge a consultation fee. $50 an hour should do.
> 
> 
> --
Yeah, maybe.  I do know it should be much more for those such as

         Brian Kane, Gene W. Smith, David Chase, Donn F. Pedro,
         Len Bucuvalas, Paul Bartholomew and others

taking on the challenge present in the ba/ca.politics groups with the
programmed and systematically brainwashed poor soles (which
represent successes of the state and Western culture relative 
[and most probably limited] to their incorrect interpretations
on what they think (?) is homosexuality) that they engage with.

It's ironic, that those programmed individuals often advocate less
state control and imposed morality when all they ever spin about
IS just that, MEANT to control us. 

They demonstrate the fear and hatred of sex so intrinsic to 
Western culture.

I just wanted to thank those brave individuals named 
above (and those that are not) for their efforts, on my behalf. 

\aliscafo/
From: jlappin@dungeonmaster.next.com (Jim Lappin)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Amelia's
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.221716.7820@fico.uucp> ala@fico.uucp writes:
> A friend of mine suggested that we go to Amelia's in SF.  Has anyone  
ever
> been there?  I would like to get a feel for the kind atmosphere the  
place
> has and the crowd before I go.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Adryenn

--
_I think it's known as ELBO ROOM now.
______________________________________________________________________

Jim Lappin Jr.           With stupidity the gods themselves struggle
 _____                   in vain.             Friedrich von Schiller
 \   /                                      
  \ /   Opinions exressed here are not a reflection of my employer
From: jamieh@sybase.com (Jamie Hops)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: FURNITURE FOR SALE
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:24:52 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

*******************************************************************************
                            FURNITURE FOR SALE
                           Moving-Must Sell ASAP
                        All in excellent condition
********************************************************************************

This is being posted for a friend-please reply directly to:Donna McKinnon
                                                           (415) 621-2283

Wirlpool Washer and Dryer(electric) large capacity,works like new,3 yrs old
400.00/pr

Matching chair and ottoman-aqua tufted foam, 1 yr old (new 150.00)
75.00

Two pastel tweed barell chairs
75.00 ea 135.00/pr

Solid wood butcher block 60 in. round table with wooden base and 4 Breuer chairs with beige padded seats and cane backs (new 600.00)
125.00

25 ft faux Victorian hall runner-grey with blue accents-foam backed
50.00

9 x 12 ft pink and blue wool oriental rug,1 yr old,just cleaned (new 250.00)
75.00

9 x 12 ft oval blue and gray braided rug, recently cleaned
75.00

Top of the line Hunter 3 speed brown wood ceiling fan with globe "schoolhouse"
 light attachment
80.00
 
 ~v


--
* Jamie Hops                 Yessssss!   *
* jamieh@sybase.com                      *
******************************************
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Grand Illusion, Part II
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:26:04 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct15.164044.15350@pcnntp.apple.com>,  (Craig Webb) writes:
> It's ironic, that those programmed individuals often advocate less
> state control and imposed morality when all they ever spin about
> IS just that, MEANT to control us. 

I've never advocated anything except for homosexuals to stop imposing
their morality on others -- which they seem to be incapable of doing.

Oregon Measure 9 is AB 2601's mirror, coming back to remind you that
sleeping with fascism gives you diseases more dangerous than AIDS.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Greenaway-a-thon
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:53:40 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

From Oct. 30 to Nov. 5 will be Peter Greenaway week at the
Castro theater. Greenaway's first feature, The Falls, plays
Oct 30-Nov 1.
Vertical Features Remake, A Walk Through H, and
the short films of Greenaway, Nov 2.
The Draughtman's Contract and A Zed and Two Naughts, Nov. 3.
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, and Prospero's
Books, Nov. 4.
Drowning by Numbers and The Belly of an Architect, Nov. 5.

There doesn't appear to be a series ticket available, but
save your stubs; anyone attending the entire series gets
a free consultation with Dr. Kervorkian! :-)

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Grand Illusion, Part II
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:12:28 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Perhaps the sheer frustration we often feel when confronted with such
'black hole' mentality here on 
the net and of experience life delivers to our sensibility, we can gain
solace in what noted lesbian
poet, Judy Grahn said: That gay people are closely watched to see "what
constitutes the limit of a 
thing- too far out, too much, too low, too bad, too outrageous, too soft,
too dangerous, too rough,
too cultured, too aggressive, too sexual.  One of the strongest measures
[the] heterosexual culture
has is how close each of its members comes to being "like a faggot" or
"like a dyke".  We are
essential to them knowing who they are.

  We are, at times, an "opposite pole" located, or locating ourselves in
front of, or behind, or off to
the side of, the society around us.  This is a pole with mirrors.  People
watch their own reflections
in our behavior in order to judge their own.  Society does this whether or
not we consciously
acknowledge to ourselves that it is happening.  We are mirrors for
"masculine" and "feminine",
strength and beauty - at least.

  Sometimes we are mirrors for "good" and "evil", horror and tenderness. 
Most important, at the
very heart of our culture, where the imagemakers live, we continually
reveal to society the content
and changeability of its imagery.  The variety of possibilities, and
finally (when we are really
cooking) we may even venture forth with the idea that all imagery is an
illusion. ..."

In this, gays provide a traditional role; Interpretation of images - right
or wrong, true or false - by 
others that are vitally necessary to their own identity.
In some instances, truth and it's relative reflection can be enriching,
being an exchange
resulting in enlightenment through the creation of a bridge to better
understanding; In others,
it can repeatedly become erroneous, distorted and increasingly corrupt,
only demonstrating
the purity of an exercise in futility.

\aliscafo/
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Sacramento Lambda Community Center
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:14:34 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

Is anyone from Sacramento out there?  Recently I was in Sac for the Rainbow 
Street Fair.  I got on the mailing list for the Lambda Players, a gay/lesbian
theater group which is part of the Lambda Community Center.  I received a flyer
for their upcoming play, Spare Parts, and I have made plans with some friends
to go to this play this coming Friday.  But I cannot get through to the
Lamda Community Center to reserve tickets.  The number on the flyer is
(916) 442-7752.  Last Friday I called and got a recording.  I left my name
and number, but no one called me back.  I have been trying ever since, and
there is no answer.  Does anyone know anything about the LCC?  Can anyone
in Sac help me get tickets for the Friday, Oct. 9 performance of Spare Parts?

Thanks.
-Robin
***********************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico  Computing Services
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Subject: Re: Amelia's
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Organization: Office Automation Division
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:55:22 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Alas, but Amelia's is closed.  :(

Suzanne

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415-506-6194				Oracle Corporation
		      Honor Diversity
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From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: GROOVIN ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:10:00 GMT
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA


                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


SEPTEMBER 29, 1992

Greetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festivities, we presented the Friday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers associated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
From:  (Craig Webb)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Armed & Dangerous
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:35:12 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

>From AP

Los Angeles- A Moffett Field sailor discharged by the Navy after
challenging
the military's anti-gay rule by revealing his homosexuality on national
television filed a lawsuit Tuesday [10.6] demanding to be reinstated.
Former Petty Officer Keith Meinhold's federal court suit seeks a
preliminary
injunction ordering the Navy to reinstate him and give back pay owed him
since
his August 12 discharge, said his attorney, Harry Melkonian.
U.S. District Judge Terry Hatter scheduled a November 9 hearing, Melkonian
said.
Navy spokesman Lt. Robert Garcia said he had not seen the suit and could
not
comment.
A Navy board in June recommended that Meinhold, 30, of San Jose receive an
honorable discharge.
The Navy said Meinhold, by saying publicly he is gay, violated Pentagon
regulations that say soldiers and sailors can be discharged if they engage
in
homosexual physical contact or demonstrate a propensity to do so.

\aliscafo/
From: davey@ux5.lbl.gov (davey hudson)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Donations Wanted!
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:25:39 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov

Hi,
 
Voices of Pride is looking for donations of the following items for our (soon 
to be opened) youth support program in Oakland:

	Mac computer, printer, hardware, ect. We could possibly 
	use an IBM PC. We have computer technicians so we could
	make use of parts and nonworking stuff.

	Office equipment/supplies: small desk, chair, copier,
	fax, phone, & misc. supplies.

	Living room furniture: sofa, chairs, lamps, table, rug.

We are a non-profit organization so your donations are tax deductible.
We could probably arrange for pickup or pay for shipping.
	
Please contact me if you would like to help by making a donation or
if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Davey
davey@ux5.lbl.gov
W: (510) 486-5373
H: (510) 235-6657


Voices of Pride is a program for lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth in
the Oakland/East Bay area, designed to provide them affirmation,
spiritual and social support. We also provide sensitivity training 
and education to community centers, schools, and congregations
to make them more aware of the needs and issues of lesbian, gay and 
bisexual youth.

Did you know:

There are about 3,000,000 lesbian, gay and bisexual youths in the US.
Most recieve little or no support from parents, friends, churches, 
school, or community programs.

Suicide is the leading cause of death among these youth. A national 
study indicated that 30% of all teenage suicides are lesbian, gay,
or bisexual.  	

For more information about the program contact:

	VOICES OF PRIDE
	SEXUAL MINORITY YOUTH CENTER
	1658 Excelsior Avenue
	Oakland, CA 94602
	(510) 530-8529



 

Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:04:44 GMT


                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


SEPTEMBER 29, 1992

Greeetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festiviteies, we presented the Firday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers assocoated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Grand Illusion, Part II
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.151228.9559@pcnntp.apple.com>,  (Craig Webb) writes:
> We are
> essential to them knowing who they are.

Perhaps we can charge a consultation fee. $50 an hour should do.


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