From: M21760@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Y&R
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:25:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.181349.26607@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
pml@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (patricia.m.lott) writes:
 
>
>Lauren is a very manipulative person.  I am not picking on
>her because she is a female.  I am also a female and I consider
>myself somewhat of a feminist - not a radical feminist though.
>I would no more give Brad Carlton custody of his child than I
>would Lauren.
 
Don't you think tha Scott is manipulating Lauren by trying to get
her to marry him by dangling Scottie in front of her?
 
>
>I agree with Molly when she said if Lauren is
>so anxious to have her child and have a stable home for her child,
>what's wrong with marrying Scott?  Scott is a very good person.
>I do agree that he is being somewhat rigid in his stance with
>Lauren.  I don't feel it would hurt baby Scottie at all to have
>some time with his mother.  I do feel badly for what Sheila did
 
I agree with you here.  I think it would hurt Scottie to NOT spend
time with his mother.  But she has to be a MOTHER and not a visitor.
 
>to Lauren in stealing her baby and raising it as her own.  But
>Lauren wants to use Paul for her own personal purposes.  Brad is
>a sleeze and Lauren can be too.
>
 
Lauren used to be manipulative and mean, but now she is strong and
goes after what she wants.  She's not mean and manipulative anymore
like she was during her college days.  Unless I'm forgettingsomething,
I can't think of anything that she's done that could be considered
sleazy.  When she and Scott split up, she was honest and upfront with
Scott about her unresolved feelings for Paul.  Is there some storyline
that I've forgotten?
 
>As for Traci, she did not
>deliberately trap Brad into marriage.  She got pregnant - not
>all by herself.  Brad accepted that pregnancy and agreed to
 
BTW, this is not what I was talking about when I compared Tracy's
behavior to Brad and Lauren (I wasn't sure if you were responding
to my previous post).  I meant her growing relationship with Steve.
 
>marry her, but he wasn't making a real commitment.  He was only
>"doing his duty".  He doesn't love Traci the way a man should
>love the woman he marries.  He has been chasing skirts all through
 
What about the way a woman should love the man that she marries?
Isn't it the same thing?  If so, then aren't you asking Lauren to do
same thing that Brad did to Tracy (which, we all agree, is wrong)?
 
>his marriage just as he did before his marriage.  His vows meant
>nothing to him.  Traci deserves to have a man really love her,
>and I believe Steve would be a much better father than Brad.  Brad
>didn't want to even be home most of the time.  Until he found out
>another man was interested in Traci, he didn't seem to give
>fatherhood a second thought.  And Traci hasn't gone to bed with
>Steve, so she has not committed adultery.  Brad was ready to jump
 
Maybe I missed something.  When did Tracy say that she and Steve
have never slept together?  Did Brad ask her?
Anyway, adultery is not the only issue.  Lauren is condemned by some
people for the way she flirts with men - not because she necessarily
jumps into bed with them.  And Lauren isn't even married!  Not that I
think that Tracy is doing anything wrong.  I'm just trying to call
attention to how differently we perceive a situation based on our
feelings for a person.  Most people like Tracy's character, so even
though she is married and starting to build a relationship with another
man, we can forgive and understand.  Lauren's character, on the other
hand, is not as well liked (except by me! :) ) therefore she is judged
more harshly.  She's a single woman, yet if she flirts with men she is
deemed to be an unfit mother.
 
>into bed with Lauren even while he was missing his wife and baby
>so very much.  He makes me sick.
>