From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Sexuality and Social Attitudes
Keywords: inappropriate for the incapable
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:59:45 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
> (cites my image of a solicitation on a beach)
>
>The default rec.nude answer to this is: If you really think this is 
>appropriate in your classrooms, at the grocery store, or at a textile
>beach then by all means it is appropriate at a nude beach.  If you do
>not think this is appropriate behavior in the rest of society then there
>is NO reason to think it is appropriate behavior at a nude beach.
>
>It is inappropriate and incorrect to assume that people attending a nude
>beach and enjoying nature in a natural state should be subject to sexual
>behavior which they would not be subject to if they were visiting a
>non-nude beach and enjoying nature while wearing a bathing suit.
>
>The rest of my answer is personal and being sent via email.  I'll send
>copies to other interested parties upon request.
>
>And I will be adding /ecsd@tfs.com/h:j  to my kill file.  The problem
>with people who repeatedly ignore a groups charter is eventually no one
>hears.

You hear what you want to hear and you understand what you want to understand.

I won't killfile you, Middleton, but I will say this: so far as I am concerned,
your attitudes help to perpetuate a society which chokes our very life force.
If the discussion bothers you, go to the FCC and have it banned. Stop people
from saying what they think. Blindly react out of your own conditioning, and
in order to protect your ego, try to get as many people to stomp the dissident
as possible. But NEVER, EVER bother to wonder if the extremity of your reaction
indicates unfinished psychological business, severe repression, or anything
else you might be ashamed of. I like sex and I'm going to work for a society
that doesn't get in its way while offering status-quo, horseshit reasons for
doing so.

When will you put two and two together, to understand that, for example,
the reason Polk County, FL outlawed most skin on beaches is because the
people there are HYSTERICALLY AFRAID of human sexuality? WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
WE DON'T WANT TO FEEL ANYTHING. I was not born afraid of sex or nudity;
I had to have that beaten into me repeatedly by those around me, who felt
my touching my genitals at age 6 because they are part of my body, was BAD,
because it made THEM feel bad. *I* felt fine about it. I lost a large part of
my life to ASSHOLES who did not challenge their own conditioning, as I am
doing now. I can't blame them for being dysfunctional, but I KNOW BETTER.
I could NOT forgive myself for not being forward about my feelings. And as
much SHIT as I remove from my own psyche, is that much less I will give to my
children.

YOU don't seem to be able to face the collapse of some of your moral values.
That is not MY problem. And I will NOT let it be. You don't have the presence
of mind to put yourself in first person and say "this offends me personally."
Instead you invoke the "everyone knows" rule. You don't dare admit that most
of your self-denying values are based on false-reasoning, because then you
have only yourself to blame for closet prudery - you won't be able to *honestly*
get reinforcement from "everyone else" because you'd know how false it is.
Stand clear in the full sight of "God" and own yourself and your desires.
Healthy people will NOT punish you.

Killfile away. Or move to Polk County and enjoy the freedom you get when your
values are amplified.

I'll work for a world where *my* values are amplified: pro-human, pro-love,
pro-life (I take this term back from yet more assholes), pro-women, pro-men,
pro-children, pro-freedom, pro-happiness, pro-enjoyment, pro-awareness, and
pro-sexuality.
-ecsd