HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brianz@sturgis.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Zavatsky)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Slick 50 for my MTB? :)
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: brianz@sturgis.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sturgis.corp.sun.com


>Slick 50 is not a lubricant.  It is an engine treatment product.

but it is suspended in 30w oil, which is a lubricant.


brian
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Dept Store Brands...
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:42:51 GMT

If you want to save money, consider a used bike.  Reputable bike stores will
generally have good deals and their used bikes are in good condition.
Department store bikes are heavy (not fun to ride), of inferior quality (poor
reliability), and are usually assembled and fitted by poorly trained
personnel.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: timmins@ravel.udel.edu (Steve Timmins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MOre Rack wars
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:20:28 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

I realize I missed part of the discussion on Thule/Yak racks, but I
still have some unanswered questions:

1) What is the best source for either?  Locally the Yak is $321 for
   a setup with SST MKII, locks, and 2 upright"lockjaw" mounts with
   rails and locks (86 Honda Civic).  Is this in line or is the dealer 
   gouging?

2) I am assuming the Graber COntimental (available for $139 for SIMILAR
   unlocked stup is junk.  Has anyone had experience with this?

Thanks!
Steve

-- 
Steve Timmins                                      timmins@brahms.udel.edu
University of Delaware - 
Computing and Network Services, Instructional Technology Center
Newark, Delaware 19716
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: c150-ay@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi)
Subject: Recommendations for Clinchers
Keywords: 700x25
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:40:45 GMT

At the risk of being set on fire for asking such a general and potentially
divisive question, I would like to find out what some of your favorites are.

I've been riding on Performance (poor-formance) GT's, and I think it's time
for some new tires.  I'm interested in tires for sport/recreational riding,
700x25, where weight is not nearly as important as durability.

Please email any suggestions to the account listed below.  Thanks in advance.

Albert Chi                         University of California
chi@ucsee.berkeley.edu             Roll on you Bears!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: drt@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (David Taylor)
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:47:58 GMT

goelz@perch.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher k goelz) writes:

>The easiest and most convenient solution I know of is the Sansin removable
>quick release lever.  You can close it and then remove just the lever, so
>the only way to remove the seat (beside drastic measures such as sawing it
>off) is to re-insert the lever.  I have one and it works great.  It can be
>ordered from Nashbar or Performance (Nashbar was cheaper last time I looked)
>for about $8-$10.

Works great? Yep. Until the thief gets hold of one of these levers...
--
D.T - david@cc.uq.oz.au - If it doesn't kill you, you'll live longer.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen)
Subject: Re: Cincy/Dayton Bike Path???
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:01:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.113036.831@desire.wright.edu> estelter@desire.wright.edu writes:

	 I was wondering if anyone knew if the Cincinnati to Dayton bike trail
 	loop was finished???

To my knowledge the top one-third of the trail closest to Dayton is still
unpaved. I was on it last Fall and it was unfinished. The idea that they
finished it over the winter seems unlikely.

Dan
(A native Cincinnatian)



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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Greg LeMond on Summer Olympics Team USA?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:22:52 GMT

In article <Apr.10.12.06.30.1992.9393@presto.ig.com> steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse) writes:
>Let's see if I can relate this subject to both of the newsgroups to
>which it has been directed....
>
>Well, a friend of mine is a motorcycle mechanic and a bicycle
>mechanic.  I don't know what kind of bicycle he rides.  He rides a BMW
>twin motorcycle and for a while, he worked at Cal BMW motorcycle shop
>in Mountain View.  Now get this!  This same friend just got a job
>working for the US Olympic Bicycle team as a bicycle tuner!

Said friend will be working his butt off doing it, too.

When I went into Cal BMW a couple weeks ago, they told me the same
story, with an added twist: he owns a '77R100RS similar to mine, and
it's for sale.  It's in really good shape, about 75k miles, stock
except for Lester mags and a deep oil sump.  They're asking $2000, which
is a better deal than I got on mine. :-(

If you want an older R100RS, don't let this bike get away.


I have no connection to Cal BMW (or the bicycle/motorcycle mechanic dude)
other then being a satisfied customer and thinking that they're
the coolest shop in the entire world.


--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
               Real motorcyclists work on their own bikes.
From: bwildasi@greatwhite.cs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: error in the faq?
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:56:54 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver) quotes the FAQ:
>
>Simple sugars such a sucrose, glucose and fructose are the quickest
>sources of energy and in moderate quantities of about 100gm/hr
>
And, of course, sucrose is a disaccharide.

-- 
Ben Wildasin       Internet: bwildasi@greatwhite.cs.indiana.edu
                  NeXT Mail: bwildasi@arapahoe.ucs.indiana.edu
                     BITNET: bwildasi@iubacs
From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Force 40 Brakes
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.184338.28774@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes...
>v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill) writes:
>>[WTB pads dont' need toe-in, I guess w/o toe-in you get all the pad.]
> 
>All brake arms that I have seen are flexible enough that modest toe-in
>(1mm gap at leading edge when the trailing edge touches) is handled by
>flexing of the brakes.  Think of it this way: if you had toe-in and
>things didn't spring to compensate, only the tip of your pads would get
>worn.
> 
>Toe-in is generally needed (as I understand it) because the brake arms
>are going to flex some anyway.  If the pads are flat to the rims to
>start with then the forward motion of the rim will tend to ``suck in''
>the backs of the pads, pushing them together, exacerbating the suck.
>Finally the brake gets wound up, the pads let go, the brake snaps back
>and unwinds, and the process repeats.  This happens at a frequence that
>causes squeal.  Toe-in preloads (pre-twists) the brakes, raising the
>resonant frequency of the squeal.


	Let me rephrase this, WTB brake pads need very little, if any,
toe in.  I've ran them for over a year on my bike, and for about nine
months on my wife's bike, and on neither bike is there any appreciable toe-in. 
When I talked to the people at WTB about this lack of toe-in, they told me
that their pads need minimal toe-in because the the pad holders themselves
are so stiff.  I do occasionally get some squeal (actually it really isn't 
a squeal because it isn't as high-pitched as the squeal caused by the other 
pads I tried) when the rims are damp.  However, that squeal itself tends to 
disappear rather quickly.
	I agree with Don that flex in the brakes is the cause of the unbearable
squealing associated with brakes that aren't toed-in, but these pads apparantly
eliminate a significant portion of that flex.  


		Cars generally suck a whole lot more than vacuums,

							Kevin

> 
>		;-D oN  ( Vacuums generally suck )  Pardo
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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:27:48 GMT
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY

Thus spoke the keyboard of Mike Fester:
> 
>In California, if 5 or more vehicles are lined up behind you waiting to pass, 
>you are required by law pull over as soon as safely possible to allow them 
>to pass. Most cops I've talked to interpret this (in the case of bicycles) to 
>mean "immediately". 

Are bikers required to look back one or twice a minute just to check if there
is more than 5 cars lined up behind him? I don't think this is very safe
from a bikers point of view.

>Now, I just had a pleasant little ride last weekend on California 35, 264, and 
>9. Plenty of bicyclists on 35, I didn't see any on the other roads. When
>approaching them from behind, I honked my horn from about 100 yards behind.

Why do cars need to honk when they approach bikes? As a biker I find this very
annoying. Some cars does honk when they are just some meters behind the bike.
I have seen several bikers who has been scared because of this annoying
honking. A scared biker might do things which can be fatal for him/her.

>Most pulled over farther to the right. There was one exception, but as
>there was no approaching traffic, I merely swerved around him (had there been
>an approaching car, I would have slowed much more than I did; in any event,
>this clown pulled FARTHER to the left, but I was way in the other lane by this
>time. One of these days, that clown will be a statistic. Oh well).

Do you want to be statistics too (exept that you be in another column)?

>So in general, MOST bicyclists were reasonably safe, and I don't have any
>real problem with them on these roads.

Most cars is not any problem for bikers, but the one out of 100 that drive
unsafe might kill some just to save some seconds or because the driver didn't
find it convenient (sp?) enough to move his foot to the brake pedal!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Mountain Bike Recommendation?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:58:32 GMT

>Would anyone out there like to recommend a mountain bike that is in the 
>range of $400 to $600?  Must be tough and have shimano components.
Heres one;
Bridgestone MB-5, its less than $600 although I don't know the exact price.
Uses Deore DX thumbshifters which is a BIG plus in my opinion, especially for a 
bike of this price.  A 49 cm bike weighs 28.7 lbs.  Uses Shimano 400LX shifters 
and LX crank(with aluminum chainrings) and 500LX hubs.  Dia Compe XCE brakes 
and Ritchey Vantage Sport rims.  Bridgestone likes to mix and match components 
this way to achieve an optimum balance for the price point( sounds like thats 
out of the catalog but isn't).  Most importantly the handling is just 
fantastic, much better than any other mountain bikes I've tried.  Test ride one 
of these and then test ride some other mountain bikes and see what you think.  
If you can go up to $650 you can get an MB-4 which has Deore LX with Sugino 
cranks.  Its also about 1 lb lighter.  The MB-4 comes in dark blue metallic and 
pearl white.The MB-5 comes in red and dark green metallic.  
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: WANTED: PD7401 pedals
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:26:19 GMT

Dennis Allard (allard@isi.edu) writes:

>  I need to replace at least my RIGHT pedal soon.
>  I only want Shimano PD7401 (Dura Ace model).
>  Either New or somewhat used but not trashed.

If you're forced to settle for new, O'Neil's of Worcester MA is advertising 
new PD7401 pedals for $113.95. This is a good price. 1-800-638-6344.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory)
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:35:06 GMT

In article <rlht0INNn54@agate.berkeley.edu> dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu 
(David Choi) writes:
>	I think I remember hearing some people, a while back, talkingd{ about
>commuting to work on their bikes.  I commute to school, but it's not very
>far away from my apartment (about 3/4 of a mile).
>	I was wondering what those of you who commute several miles to work
>do about taking a shower?  I don't know about you all, but I sweat like crazy
>when I ride my bike (even a couple of miles).  Do your companies supply
>showering facilities?

Many companies -- or their landlords -- do. My company just moved to a building
with locker facilities in the basement.

If not (as in our old building), then you do the best you can. You can give
yourself a passable sponge-bath in the restroom, and some deodorant finishes
the job. My secret? Baking soda . . . works better than other deodorants, but
can leave messy stains on your shirts (so you wear a white shirt :-).

-kdg
From: lally@beta.lanl.gov (Bryan R. Lally)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:50:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr8.155055.21945
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr7.213309.1215@bvc.edu> bowers@bvc.edu writes:

[deleted stuff on airline fees]

> UPS is a lot cheaper, although the price will be distance sensitive and it 
> will take 3-5 working days each direction to ship. You pay 90.00 on 
> domestic carriers roundtrip...UPS coast to Coast would only cost about 30 -
> 40 bucks *both ways*.  I haven't tried it yet...but word is UPS is really 
> reliable

My experience with UPS doesn't bode well ...  I sent my bike from
Arizona to Pennsylvania via UPS.  Cost? $27.  I sent it in a hardshell
case (a PedalPack).  It took 3 days (OK so far).  UPS was able to tear
off and lose the ~3" seatbelt webbing straps that surround the case to
hold the case together in case the closure attachments fail.   UPS was
completely unwilling to do anything about it, even to look for the
straps.  Their claim: the bicycle made it - the case is your problem.
They beat the case up quite a bit.  Multiple airlines have not been
able to inflict this much damage, including several overseas flights.

More recently (last week), I received a new frame sent UPS from
Pennsylvania to New Mexico.  Yup, you guessed it.  UPS dropped it,
crushed the box, and crushed the head tube.  Think I want to trust
these guys with any more bikes?

	- bryan lally
	  lally@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: riding up stairs
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:05:36 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow) writes:
>	I have seen this technique demonstrated by MTB guys, but 
>never yet by somebody on a road bike.  I intend to try it as soon 
>as it stops snowing here.

	Hey, yeah, where did all this snow come from?  I had to drive
an unweildy Shuttle Bus through snow and rain last night, adn then
I had to bike home from the bus office in a light snow.

	So much for keeping the bike clean, and so much for spring.

I will attempt a 2nd post limited to the Boston/MA distribution,
aimed at the MIT guys.
-Case

P.S. Jonathan, your last name bodes ill for the spring here.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Carbs in foods????
From: estelter@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:52:36 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

>>
>> Just wanted to know which foods have the most carbohydrates in them.
>>
From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:40:33 GMT
Subject: HED Disc For Sale
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

=-=-=- FORSALE -=-=-=-=- HED DISC =-=-=-=-=- FORSALE -=-=-=- HED DISC =-=-=    

                               HED DISC WHEEL
                                2 years old 

                               Ridden 8 times.  
                     All in races, all on smooth surfaces
         
                             Tubular, not clincher

                          Weighs less than 1000 grams

                                $225 or Best 
                            (not less than $200)


    *====================================================================*
    |     Intereseted parties please call: Tim Cowen  (303) 493-1857     |
    *====================================================================*

=-=-=- FORSALE -=-=-=-=- HED DISC =-=-=-=-=- FORSALE -=-=-=- HED DISC =-=-=
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Needed: Cateye Micro Mounting Bracket
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:37:58 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Help!   The mounting unit for my much-loved Cateye Micro Cyclocomputer (Model
CC-6000) has been destroyed.    The computer itself is in perfect shape, but
it's useless, since one of the wires coming from the mounting bracket has been
severed.

Local bike shops tell me they can get a replacement bracket for me, but it
costs almost as much as a new unit.   Absurd!

Anybody have a mounting bracket for this computer sitting around?   Maybe you
destroyed the computer but the bracket's ok....

If you have just the mounting bracket, I'd love to hear from you.

Please direct all responses to me via e-mail.   THANKS!


.../Christine Code
Vancouver, BC, CANADA
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From: zzz@erg.sri.com (Michael J. Konopik)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:07:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <ybnjv2b.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>>What do you think an accident is?  An accident is a mistake.  As
>>differentiated from an intentional act.
>>
>What a load of horse apples!  Accident is a euphemism for:
> [condensed:] inattention, negligence, maintenance errors, impatience, etc.
>
>none of which are excusable and all of which are entirely avoidable.

In a perfect world, perhaps.  But in THIS world, control is largely an
illusion.  There are so many variables in everyday life that are out of our
control, that nearly ANY action can cause a mishap.  The only way to avoid
all accidents (and even this is probably not foolproof) is to sit alone in a
room, padded with Nerf or Spenco jelly, and do absolutely nothing.

Drivers *should* take great care to anticipate events and avoid mishaps.
But the belief that all accidents are preventable is monumentally naive...

				   -Mike
From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MtB Race in Coburn, PA
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:35:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania


The Coburn Mountain Bike Challenge:

This may not be the best coverage of a race you've ever seen, as it was my
first and I wasn't sure I was going until two days before.  (Read little
training.)  Coburn is in the middle of Pennsylvania near Penn State's main
campus, and this race is the oldest in PA.

Good grief am I sore!  The race is 33 miles of road, fire roads, single
track, deer run (I know, bad planning) and impossible-to-ride climbs.  We
had a rolling start from the middle of town which took us to the first
climb of four miles on the road to the first single track.  By then we were
all spaced out pretty well, and I was well on my way to a rather slow
finish (about 3hr 15min).  Most of the single track was rocky with grass
trying to grow between them.  There were water bottles and seat mounted
tool packs flying everywhere.  After that first mile of major vibration I
wasn't sure that I would survive the rest of the race.  Definitely an
argument for front suspension!  Fortunately, I had just mounted bar-ends
the day before giving my hands a slight break when I hit the flat trails
and some of the climbs. It also became very obvious that I wouldn't be
getting many chances to swig water from my bottle.

It had rained the night before, so the fire roads were mostly sticky mud
that is rather frustrating when you're so tired.  There were several nice
descents on hard-packed or paved roads where I was able to get my adrenaline
moving and spin in my highest gear.  My favorite decent was down a long,
rocky single track.  I was able to zing along and keep it under control.
My least favorite climb was at the bottom of a nice, fast decent:  a left
turn and then jump off the bike to walk up 1/2 to 1 mile of loose rock and
boulders.  Maybe I could have done it if I wasn't already exhausted.  Some
of my buddies caught up to me then, I had to let them go by since I was
dead tired.  I was so wiped at the top of that hike that I could barely
control the bike and ended up simply falling over when I could't keep the
bars straight.

At the very end of the race, we hop on a dirt road that follows a 10-20
meter wide creek.  Follow it to the finish line which is on the other side
of the creek.  SPLASH up to your waist through the water to the finish
line.  By that time I could barely tell it was freezing cold water.  Like I
said my time wasn't that hot, but it was fun.  Standings?  Well, they
didn't post them after announcing top fives and handing out (cheap) prizes
and won't be sending them out for several weeks....

All in all a fun ride that I can't believe I paid $30 for.

Jack Vinson			The Purple Puddle Eater
vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu
vinson@unagi.cis.upenn.edu
From: allana@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Allan Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:35:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Fun Descents (Was: Difficult Descents)
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.