From: PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu (Achim Patzner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Summary: Masochism hurts
Keywords: AUA
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:16:37 GMT
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In <rqrkmINNrrs@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames) wrote:
->In article <92097.163047JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu> JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu writes:
->>Hey...I just got done discussing piercings with someone, and they informed
->>me that in Germany, where they got theirs, piercers have no problem with
->>using local anasthetics.
->
->	Different pharmacutical laws in germany. You also can 
->	(Or used to be able to) get certain sorts of speed OTC.
->

Speed... no. But a lot of other dangerous nonsense (like a lot of not
completely tested painkillers).

->>discussed anasthetics with my piercer, who insisted that using them was
->>dangerous, especially for genital piercings, and may result in nerve damage,
->>etc.

I doubt that feeling it will help; if you're using pain as an indicator
for damage you're doing it's probably too late to stop anyways.

->
->	Well, that's not true, at least if someone who knows what
->	they're doing does it. However, it is illegal in this country
->	(And in many others) for non-physicians to administer such 
->	things.
->

Is it also forbidden to administer it to yourself? To me it sounds to cruel
to inflict unnecessary pain on someone and I wouldn't have gotten my
piercings if I hadn't had the option of local anaesthetics. And now I can
see why so many people from other countries are coming here to get pierced.
(Btw... I know a person who could describe the differences between getting
certain piercings with and without anaesthetics in detail; I'll ask for a
report.)

->>Does Gauntlet offer topical painkillers
->>of any sort?
->
->	For a PA, I think they do use a topical for the insertion
->	on the urethra tube, but this does not help with the piercing
->	pain.
->
->	The deal is that topical pain killers are of minimal use
->	at best; they only numb where they touch. So it might make
->	the entry and exit slightly less painful, but most of the
->	pain is not fron entry and exit anyway, so what difference 
->	does it make?
->

There is still the option of knowing a physician who is coming with you
(maybe because sHe is interested in watching something like that) to 
do the anaesthesy.  

->>What is the exact
->>medical poop on anasthetics anyway?
->
->	Ask on sci.med. 
->

I've been discussing that with my piercer before doing it. And having seen
how freely physicians are using XXXcain for a lot of reasons (including in
strange mixes for treating a lumbago) I don't think that it is much worse
than getting a bit drunk.

->>  I must have more info on this before
->>I let someone put a 14-gauge needle through my genitals again
->
->	We once tried a side-by-side experiment with two nipples;
->	one had a doctor administered anisthetic, one had nothing.

What kind of anaesthetics. Getting a shot of Xylocaine using an Insuline
needle into my nipple didn't hurt that much (in fact it was burning) and
the rest was certainly rather comfortable. And I can imagine that getting
a frenum piercing (especially if it has some larger diameter) can be
feeling quite uncomfortable without.

->	Guess what? It hurt more to have the anisthetic adminitered
->	than to have the piercing done in the un-numbed nipple.

How was it done? Using the largest needle they could find?

->	In addition to this, when the novacain wore off, that nipple
->	was much more sore from the anesthetic.

Hmmm... as the piece of my nipple where the anaesthetics were applied was 
gone afterwards I don't know if it was sore. And don't care. 8-)

->		My advice; just do it. It only hurts for second.

My advice: just do it. It only burns for a second. (Karl, please remember:
There are still some people left who don't get their kicks from suffering
pain.)

->	It's more the FEAR that's a problem than the pain; fear
->	magnifies pain exponentially. Deal with the fear, the pain
->	becomes a minor issue.

Seems so... The first time I got an injection I was expecting it (nipple).
It kind of hurt. When the other piercings were done the injections
surprised me and didn't hurt at all. So why should I risk the actual
piercing hurt me?

->> (I was
->>told I have room for another QC over my existing one, and I really like
->>the idea of the way it will look and feel--AFTER it's pierced!!)
->
->	Go for it. It *will* look cool!
->

Why don't you combine it with a trip to Germany? Especially if you want to
get a couple of piercings at the same time the prices aren't that bad
either.

->
->		-Karl(net.bulldog of rec.arts.bodyart)MacRae

Achim

(I just CAN'T be the only non-masochist liking piercings...)