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From: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re:Wehrpflichtige/KriegII
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO, USA
Reply-To: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 

Hi!

TP>|>>Nur so eine kleine Anmerkung...
TP>|>>In Artikel 12a des Grundgesetzes wird das Recht auf
TP>|>>Kriegsdienstverweigerung garantiert. Es ist ein Grundrecht mit dem
TP>|>>gleichen Wert wie das Recht auf Meinungsfreiheit, koeperliche
TP>|>>Unversehrtheit etc.
TP>|>
TP>|>
TP>|>Wenn ich mich recht erinnere, kann man nur den Kriegsdienst
TP>|>_mit_der_Waffe_ verweigern (weil man aus Gewissensgruenden nicht
TP>|>toeten will). Das heisst aber nicht, dass man im Kriegsfall nicht
TP>|>an der Front eingesetzt werden kann (Sanitaeter, ...)

TP>Nicht ganz.

TP>1) Ein Sanitaeter, und auch der letzte Stubenhocker in Bad Neuenahrer
TP>   Bunker, ist ein Soldat, der das Recht und die Pflicht hat, die ihm
TP>   Anvertrauten notfalls mit der Waffe die ihm zugewiesen wird, zu
TP>   verteidigen.

TP>2) Art.87 GG ermoeglicht es aber, eine nicht-militaerische
TP>   Dienstverpflichtung denen gegenueber auszusprechen, die den Dienst
TP>   mit der Waffe, also den Felddienst verweigern. Dadrunter fallen
TP>   z.B. Zivilschuetzer, THW-Verpflichtete und viele Rettungssanitaeter,
TP>   gar nicht zu reden von den Zivis.

TP>Carl hat also recht wenn er sagt, dasz die Verweigerung des Waffendienstes
TP>ein unveraeuszerliches Grundrecht ist, und Du hast recht, wenn Du an andere
TP>Moeglichkeiten der Dienstverpflichtung erinnerst. Letzteres ist aber kein
TP>militaerischer Dienst. Aber, und das ist nicht so sehr bekannt, auch ein
TP>ehemaliger Zivi kann im Notfall mobilisiert werden. Letzteres ist der Grund
TP>den Puristen, i.e. Totalverweigerer, fuer ihre vollstaendige Ablehnung
TP>angeben.

Stimmt, auch ein Zivi wird im "V-Fall" (ein gnadenloser Euphemismus) an
die Front geschickt und ist somit integrierter Teil der
Kriegsmaschinerie. Boese Zungen behaupten, dass Zivis dann zum
Minenraeumen eingesetzt werden...
Die Totalverweigerung war fuer mich keine Alternative. Den Aerger, den
man bekommt, wiegt die politische Aussage nicht auf. Zumindest nicht
fuer mich, da muss (und soll unbedingt!) jeder seine eigene Entscheidung
faellen.

Gruss, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Germania omnia est divisa in partes dos, quorum unum...
                                               
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: bulli@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Thomas Bullinger)
Subject: Re: GERMAN OLYMPIC TEAM(S)
Organization: The Banana, a BBS in Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:10:48 GMT

uk02757@nx25.mik.uky.edu (Jeffrey T Hazelwood) writes:

> I thought you guys were united??? What's the deal with two olympic teams?
> I saw the ex-east german flag, usw.
> 
> Koennen Sie mir irgend jemand sagen was passiert ist???
> Warum gibt es noch zwei Teams??  Oder, hab' ich etwas misverstanden??
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeffrey T. Hazelwood      University of Kentucky 
> German Major 
> NeXT Mail Welcome!        "I've got them right where they want me!"
> EMAIL:     uk02757@ms.uky.edu    

You definetely mis-understood something here! The old East-German
flag is shown on records held by former East-German athletes - at
the time the record was swum/run etc. they were still citizens of
that country - it's like someone who was citizen of the Soviet
Union but now is Lithuanian (or Yugoslavia and Crotia ...)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stephen@inmos.co.uk (Stephen Collyer)
Subject: Re: mahlzeit...
Reply-To: stephen@inmos.co.uk (Stephen Collyer)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.033410.18775@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) writes:
>nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft) writes:
>
>But since we're at it: can anyone of the non-German readers spot the
>difference between "Das macht die Liebe" und "Die Macht der Liebe"? :-)

well, i'm not the sort of guy to pass up an opportunity to blow my own
trumpet, so I'll bite :-)

The first means "Love does that" or "Love makes that", the second means
"the power of Love", the noun being signalled by the capitalised Macht.

This brings up a mildly interesting point: given that Germans capitalise their
nouns and English speaking people don't, does this make them more aware of
grammar.

>-- 
>Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
>The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
>diagram.


Steve Collyer.
From: marco@CompSci.Bristol.AC.UK (M. Lawrenz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: di verses
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:13:40 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, University of Bristol, UK.

oliver@cs.toronto.edu (Oliver Schulte) writes:
: Wer ist denn Katrin Krabbe, und wovon hat man sie freigesprochen?
: 
: Dankeschoen,
: 
: Oliver
: -- 
: Oliver Schulte                        g1oliver@cdf.toronto.edu     
: Department of Computer Science        or
: University of Toronto                 oliver@ai.toronto.edu

Katrin Krabbe ist die derzeitig beste deutsche 100-Meter-Laeuferin. Sie hat 1991
die Weltmeisterschaqft in dieser Disziplin gewonnen und hatte Aussichten auf 
eine Goldmedaille in Barcelona, waere sie nicht Anfang des Jahres des Dopings 
ueberfuehrt worden. Durch dieses Vergehen ist sie dann fuer N Jahre gesperrt 
worden, aber wie es scheint wurde sie nun doch frei gesprochen, nicht gedopt ge-
wesen zu sein.

Zu erwaehnen ist noch, das KK sehr gut aussieht und mit 180 cm und blonden 
Haaren einfach ein Bild von einer Frau ist.

marco
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: karl@hpcts.corp.hp.com (Karl Schricker)
Subject: Re: Konfiszierung des Hochgeschwindigkeitsmodems in Deutschland
Organization: HP Corporate Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:40:42 GMT

mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu writes:
: So was kann auch nur in Deutschland geschehen. Alles muss man
: registrieren...Schnurlose telefone, modems, was als naechstes?

Up until about ten years ago, modems had to be registered in the
States as well (with MaBell).  For some areas this included an
increased fee.

Turns out, the lines were the same regardless, so you could just
plug your modem into a regular phone line and the phone company
wouldn't even know about it.  I don't know anyone who actually
registered their modem.

Same thing happened with touch-tone phones.  If you plugged your
touch-tone phone into a rotary line, it usually worked just fine.


Karl
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Mahlzeit! - Re: Gruess Gott?
Date: 21 Jul 1992 12:52:53 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav1.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Jul17.182945.24184@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rembold@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu writes:

>  In article <l6dmfuINNl5u@west.west.sun.com> markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe) writes:
>  
>  [ stuff deleted ]
>   
>  >If you want to look at interesting Sud-Deutsche greetings, lets go straight
>  >for "Mahlzeit".  I very much enjoyed Bayern, and this greeting, said with
>  >an energetic glee is part of my steriotype of a Bayer.  In my young mind I
>  >likened it to the "Hobbit" greeting "Have you eaten recently?" ... this being
>  >one of the most pleasant subjects one could possibly bring up.
>  
>  [ stuff deleted ]
>  
>  I've found the phrase 'Mahlzeit' (i.e. time for a meal) to be an annoyingly 
>  typical greeting around lunch time in places I've worked at in Baden. A 
>  colleague of mine was actually so fed up with saying this to everyone crossing 
>  his path that he put a sign around his neck with 'Mahlzeit' printed in big
>  bold letters when walking to and from the cafeteria.
>  
>  -- Bernhard
>  :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:
>  Bernhard Rembold                                      rembold@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
>  School of Industrial Engineering                              Purdue University
>  West Lafayette Indiana, 47907, U S A             Telephone (USA) (317) 494-0439
>      Brooker's Law: An ounce of application is worth a ton of abstraction
>  :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:

MfG,	Olaf

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: marshall@Ingres.COM (Success is Doing What you Love...)
Subject: FLAT TO SHARE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Templehof
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:56:35 GMT

A  FRIEND HAS A 5 ROOM FLAT IN GERMANY AND SHE'S LOOKING FOR A ROOMATE TO 
SHARE IT WITH. HERE ARE THE PARTICULARS:

	- FROM AUGUST 1992-MAY 1993.

	- LOCATED IN BERLIN (TEMPLEHOF). 20 MINS FROM CITY CENTER, 10 MINS 
	  FROM KREUZBERG, LOTS OF SHOPPING AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

	- 650 DM.

	- PLEASE CONTACT ELENA@ (415) 821-0126 IN CALIFORNIA IF INTRESTED.
From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Gruess Gott?
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:48:28 GMT
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <l6dmfuINNl5u@west.west.sun.com> markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe) writes:
>I had always assumed that "Gruess Gott" was a very natural contraction of a
>greeting closely related to the old English "God give you good day" (which
>we have contracted to "good day").

I have enjoyed the various discussions that have grown from my question
about "Gruess Gott", but the original question has been lost.

Does anyone have any confirmation of the above assumption about the phrase,
or any etymological information on it at all?

Norm.

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From: RSA@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Looking for a penpal
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:25:00 GMT

Hi,

I am looking for a penpal (e-mail pal to be precise) from europe
who can communicate in German and English. Why German? Next semester
I am thinking of taking an introductory german course. 
You can be either male or female, anything more than a friendly e-mail 
chat is not expected. I like to read a lot (no sci-fi though), so
we can talk about story books (Russian or German) or something you like.
I may try to write in German once in a while, so you can
make fun of my German :-). A very good friend of mine from Germany is
saying good bye to me in a few days, so I am somewhat familiar with
german customs and I need someone to..........

RSA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Re: postal addresses in Germany ...
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:20:17 GMT

ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:

>I mean, how many Goslars are there?  Then again, are the postoffices
>unified?

Probably only one Goslar, but many post people won't know where exactly
it is. Sorting mail by ZIP Code is a lot more effective than sorting it
by town name.

The british do it right IMO: if an address isn't complete (ZIP-Code and
all that stuff) the letter will arrive, if this is possible, but not
very quickly. Makes people use the ZIP-Codes.
--
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Ach wie gut dass niemand weiss, dass ich oli@math.rwth-aachen.de heiss.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow)
Subject: Re: Are you sure?..   Ya, more than you know.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:22:21 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

 > From: rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Mohamed Omar Rayes)
 > Subject: Re: Are you sure?..   Ya, more than you know.
 > Message-ID: <1992Jul20.081614.23407@mcs.kent.edu>
 > 
 > In article <1992Jul18.054229.6761@chinet.chi.il.us> harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:

 > >Arabs (like all of us) are mostly honorable and mostly descent

 > >I've spent (or Uncle Sucker has taken) thousands of dollars

 > >uberhaupt, liebe ich arabisiche Kultur.
 > >
 > >Ja, aber hier moechte ich um deutsche Kultur lesen.
 > 
 > Look, guy, someone was making a friendly observation and comparison
Liebe Sandra,

Ich bitte um Verzeihung.
Yes, I snapped.  Something in me just let go.
I had been (unsuccessfully) trying to follow that thread on Swedish
and when it turned arabisch, I lost control, I went "balistic".

But perhaps you can imagine my frustration (of a year previous)
when all of the US was anxious to kick some Iragi (Arab?) butt.
And I thought to myself "Why do we want to get into some
pissing contest with some sandlot dictator?"

Letzen Sommer war ich auf Urlaub in Deutland.
Ich habe meinem Onkel gefragt, "Bemerkst du, dass wir (die Amis)
nicht in Yugoslavien gehen?".
Er sagte mir "Ja, da gib's kein Oel."

 > Where where YOU with your cute, sarcastic, and I am sure amusing to
cute, sarcastic   amusing?
Unwittingly, you flatter me.

Next time you are in your husband's homeland, ask him if he
will let you drive the car.

"Merely to make eye contact with an Arab is to have
a friend for life."  P.J.O'Rourke
-- 
I do not now nor have I ever advocated the violent overthrow
of the Village of Glen Ellyn.

Steve Harlow, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: lannert@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Subject: Dagobert oder Onkel Dagobert?
Summary: Gibt es noch Onkel und Tanten??
Keywords: Onkel, Tante, Uncle, Aunt, Anrede
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:49:29 GMT

Als ich lernte, meine Mitmenschen beim Namen zu nennen, brachte
man mir bei, die Geschwister und Schwaeger der Eltern (sowie
einige ihrer guten Freunde) mit "Onkel" bzw. "Tante" plus Vornamen
anzureden ("Onkel Donald", "Tante Daisy" usw.).

Jetzt, wo ich selbst in dem Alter bin, das jene Verwandten damals
hatten, stelle ich fest, dass in solchen Faellen nur noch der 
Vorname verwendet wird. Nicht, dass ich es bedauerte, nicht "Onkel"
geheissen zu werden (eigentlich faende ich es eher graesslich) -
nur frage ich mich, ob meine Erfahrung rein zufaellig ist oder ob
diese "Titel" wirklich aussterben.

Gibt es tatsaechlich noch O.s und T.s (in s.c.g)? Oder Oheime und
Muhmen? Wie ist es eigentlich mit Aunties und Uncles im englischen
Sprachraum (von Entenfamilien mal abgesehen ;-))?

--
Detlef Lannert      DC3EK      E-Mail: tsos@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
"Ab morgen wird gearbeitet."
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Traveling to Germany: Advice Requested
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:07:42 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

I think a key thing to do in Hamburg would be to take a harbour
tour on one of the many small boats providing this service.  This
harbour is absolutely enormous and the ships that are in it are
enormous also.  You could also sit at one of the outside cafes
along the Elbe river and watch the ships come in and go out, which
is quite a lot of fun.  I think it would also be very good idea to
take one of the boat rides on the Innen and Aussen Alster (lakes)
in the middle of Hamburg.  Make sure you dodge the sailboats! :-)
You could also take a train trip to Germany's leading resort
island on the North Sea, Sylt.   That's about a three hour train
trip, as I recall, to Westerland, the main town there.  The train
goes directly into the Westerland train station.  You can also have
your car carried on the train if you wish; you can't drive it
yourself there, as there are only train tracks on the causeway.
The weather there can be variable.  It's great if it's sunny
but not so much fun it it's raining.  Check for accomodations
first.  It's usually totally sold out in July and the beginning
of August.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Der Film "Zentropa"
Date: 23 Jul 1992 00:00:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

In article <1992Jul22.122918.17420@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>I saw the film Zentropa at a local "artsy" movie house.  It was WEIRD.
...
 I agree, it was not only weird, but even more,
 it was the apotheosis of Kitsch AND the epitome of
 the "movie that is so bad, that it is hilarious."
 It was as though the director had ingested every
 Hitchcock, Wells, and Lang film and then expectorated
 a pacthwork of poorly filmed, poorly acted pastiches.
 The droning narration by Max von Sydow was matched by the
 faltering and indifferent delivery of Eddie Constantine
 (the expatriate American actor known mainly as the one time
 husband of Edith Piaf; this film could more rightly be
 called 'Eddie Constantine's Last Film' ) Hanna Schygula
 was typically uncompelling as the insidious 'heavy' in this
 mushy melange of incongruous ineffectual effects surrounding
 an idiotic caricature of a plot.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: sal@iti.org (Sascha A. Linn)
Subject: Anyone know the Pfennigs?
Summary: Anyone know the Pfennigs?
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:04:44 GMT


Hi all.  This is pretty much a long (I mean real long) shot but,
does anyone on the other side of the big lake know the Pfennigs
(Thilo, Undine, Anneliese or Erich) from Kiel?  Thilo is a pretty
avid BTX user (or is that gone now?).  Anyway, I'm a relative
looking for a way to contact them through the net (ie. E-Mail).  So,
if you know them or know who they are PLEASE contact me.

				Thanx,
				Sascha Linn :-)
				sal@iti.org

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jcastner@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Castner)
Subject: German Braille information wanted
Keywords: Braille blind 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:20:33 GMT


     I'm not really sure where to ask for this, so I'll try here.
I'm looking for information on how the blind read in other countries
and in other languages.  My eight-year-old brother, who is blind, is
now learning to read American English Braille, and I am wondering
if someone could point me to a text on German Braille specifically,
and other languages in general.  He's really interested in all the
German I'm speaking around the house while I practice my pronounciation
and grammar.  I thought that putting some of this on paper for him
to read would be neat.  Any help will be greatly appreciated, even
a nudge to a more appropriate newsgroup.  Please e-mail all replies
to the below address.

jcastner@nyx.cs.du.edu

Danke schoen!!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german

  A hot tip!!

  There are two things that you should do in Berlin.

  Goto the top of the Fernsehenturm on Alexanderplatz.

     - There is a rotating cafe' that give a great view of Berlin.

     Also near Alexanderplatz is the bus line 100.

     I strongly suggest that you ride this bus from Alexanderplatz
     it will pass all of the interesting places in the city and ends
     at the Zoo. (Cheap and there should not be a lot of tourists)
     Try and take the double decker bus and sit on top. Alexanderplatz  
     is the first stop so the bus should not be crowded.

     -Viel Spass
From: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Bezaubernde Jeannie etc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:26:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ennews.1992Jul28.152645.29039
Reply-To: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt)
Organization: Arizona State University Dept. Physics and Astronomy
Originator: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu


'Bezaubernde Jeannie' muss Larry Hagman's erste 'grosse' Serie gewesen sein!
'Immer wenn er Pillen nahm' und 'Jeannie' laufen hier uebrigens noch auf
ein paar Kabelkanaelen. IMHO sind diese 60er Series (einschliesslich Batman
mit Adam West!) um Groessenordnungen besser als der 80er/90er Quatsch!
Nostalgie pur ...

Ciao, 
               Yeti.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: laufer@CS.NYU.EDU (Konstantin Laufer)
Subject: Re: Berlin (Kultur etc.)
Reply-To: laufer@cs.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:49:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.185433.3056@cs.tu-berlin.de>, wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:
> 
> guenther@vati.fmi.uni-passau.de (Thorsten Guenther) writes:
> 
> 
> >Wat denn nu? Nicht-Berliner oder Nicht-Deutsche? Oder sind Nicht-Berliner
> >automatisch auch Nicht-Deutsche?
> >
> >Mir faellt ein: - Liebling - Kreuzberg
> >                - Kreuzberg
> >                - Diepgen und Momper
> >                - Scheibenwischer
> >                - Die Aerzte (Hallo Claudia)
> >                - Die Lassie-Singers (schon etwas spezieller)
> >                - Alphaville
> >                - Spliff (oder etwa nicht aus Berlin?)
> 
> Spliff schon, aber Alphaville????

Nicht zu vergessen waeren da auch: - Die Drei Tornados.

-- 
-Konstantin [laufer@cs.nyu.edu]

    "Sollen wir denn Ihren alten Pass gleich dabehalten?"
    -- Deutsche Konsularbeamtin, NYC, nach Annahme eines Reisepassantrags
       (kein Beleg erhaeltlich, Bearbeitungsdauer bisher 108 Tage)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.netherlands
From: croberts@infon.jhu.edu (Chris Roberets)
Subject: soc.penpals needs european participants
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:10:12 GMT

The soc.penpals group is actually quite interesting, and welcomes
members from all countries and certain icebergs.  See you there...
From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: postal addresses in Germany ...
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:16:00 GMT
Organization: ISA GmbH, Stuttgart, FRG
X-Copyright: Nachdruck, auch auszugsweise, ohne schriftliche Einwilligung des Autors verboten.

wombat@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Jeffrey Hess) writes:
>	 W-6000 Frankfurt 40
>	 Germany
>(or O-[zipcode] for (ost) east germany).  Is this still true? 

Yes.

>I know that all the ZIP codes at one point were supposed to be
>renumbered to include the new states, but has this happened 
>already?  And if not, when will it be done?

Next year -- as they say, "So Gott und die Post wollen."  For
the time being, the Telekom branch is still messing around
with area codes, so they need all their brainpower.

:-)

Christian.


-- 
Christian Taube (taube@isa.de), ISA GmbH, 7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany
Any opinions expressed are mine, and mine only! Thought for today:
Set your channels on stun!  I don't want any hatred.