HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: ...Feather's appearance (for real this time)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:44:21 GMT

>	
>	The bright black eyes gaze at the glass, then at at all the friendly
>	folk...
>	 
>	 The small one takes a deep breath, then timidly speaks.
>	  
>	  "Hello...
>	   
>	   I am Feather.  I have been lurking up there for several months and
>	   seeing what a nice Place this is.  I figured maybe I could join.  
>	    
>	    Uh, I guess I should explain the floating glass... you see, I have no
>	    hands, of course.  I didn't know what to do, so I have been trying
>	    to learn some psychokinesis just to be able to handle drinks and small
>	    objects.  This is the first time I have been able to do it at least 
>	    fairly well, which is surprising to me.  I thought I'd never be able to."  
>	     
>	     Feather gazes upon the glass again and it raises slightly.  She
>	     speaks:
>	      
>	      "I think I should, uh, make a toast... yeah, that's what I want to
>	      do..."
>	       
>	       Feather puts her beak into the glass and gulps the rest of the
>	       sweet liquid.  Then with some effort, she sends the glass into the
>	       fireplace with at least enough force to crack it a bit against the 
>	       back bricks.
>		
>		"TO THE PLACE!"
>		 
>		 Feather looks around, and feels a pang of shyness again... 
>		  
>		  Inner thoughts:
>		  ("Maybe there could be a good place to perch in this Place?  The
>		  back of a chair?  A table?  Someone's shoulder?")
>		   
>		   Feather waits to decide...



kitten smiles...."welcome feather....and, no, i don't think of you as
a 'snack' :).  maybe stan would share nick's shoulder with you...there
are several of us who can attest to the broadness and strength of nick
chopper's shoulders..."

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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins is Dead.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:32:43 GMT



>  "I was watching the Evening News and they said that Anthony Perkins,
>age 62, of Psycho movie fame died today, " DJ.

><crash>


kitten adds her toast to dreamy jim's.   "my first REAL movie date
with t.c. was to see "psycho".  he said it is best to take women to
scary movies for first dates...they crawl right up into your lap.

}:).  

our second movie date was (i think) fritz lange's metropolis
with the new soundtrack.  we sat in the balcony of an old theatre --
supposedly so we could "neck" (some of you out there are old enough to
remember necking in movie theatre balconies, i think).  

no necking....he wouldn't even let me crawl into his lap....we watched
the movie!

in any case....to tony perkins.  maker of one of my favorite
memories...another artist cut down by AIDS."

[crash!]
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: The Nightstalker returns
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:39:44 GMT

In article <920908.09075708.065215@USM.CP6> JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE) writes:
>
>"Welcome back Nightstalker !" DJ.
>
>"Yes, welcome back Nightstalker and everyone ! " Linda and Robbie.
>
>{ My connection has been flaky since the hurricane, I hope this makes it. }
>
>
"Thanks guys, the welcome backs are what remind me it was worth coming back. 
Drinks are on me (yes you punsters, either way)."



--
The Nightstalker.....




      "To sleep; perchance to dream"
                        --Hamlet

Newsgroups: alt.callahans,alt.individualism
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.042708.2509@cco.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
>
>>>As I understand it, Libertarians believe that less government is better.
> 
>Well, how about "Libertarians believe in minimal government."
>Libertarians don't want to get rid of ALL government, just most of it.
>Anarchists believe that less government is better. (ad infinitum)

Anarchists (at least "right anarchists") are a subset of libertarians.
(This is obvious if "libertarian" means "preferring less government" and
"anarchist" means "preferring no government".)
According to a couple of polls I've seen, one out of three libertarians is
an anarchist.
I don't know how many are neither anarchists nor minarchists.

>The reason that no two libertarians agree is that each one has a different
>idea of exactly what consists of a proper minimum.
>
>The most common variety seems to believe in a judiciary, a police force, and 
>an Army (dedicated to defense) are the proper minimum.  I'm not sure who they
>think is going to generate the laws. 

I think most libertarians [ <- these words are synonymous with "I'm on thin
ice" ]  envision an order in which all law is civil, rather than criminal;
and much of civil law has grown from customary law, privately enforced, and
from the merchant courts of the Renaissance, whose only weapon was ostracism
(voluntary!) by the international merchant community.

>There are a number of services that only a centralized government can provide.

Name some, say why, and say why they all must be provided by the same
entity.

>The problem with anarchy is that it's inherently unstable.  Well, most     
>governments are unstable in the long term, but anarchy isn't likely to last 
>more than a few years ...

Why?
There are examples of quasi-anarchies (countries without a monopolistic
coercive authority) that lasted for centuries.

>"Democracy is a horrible form of government, but all the others are worse."

social order, except for all other states."  (I try to distinguish between
"state" and "government".)
A republic is the worst possible social order, except for all other
governments.

Those who are grumbling "Oh no, yet another newsgroup taken over by
the debate on libertarianism", raise your hands and take "alt.callahans" out
of the header.  I've added alt.individualism, which I think is the most
appropriate place.
-- 
Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Subject: Re: A timid entrance
Keywords: The lateness of the hour.
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:08:01 GMT

        Curious Of All Natures has for a couple weeks been watching
the goings-on through the undulatingly mountainous X-window.  He'd
intended to return straight away, but life has thrown him so many
curves since vacation's end that he's been having trouble navigating
long hallways.
 
        But a familiar feline form breaks his weirded-out reverie.
Leaping through with a shimmer of interconnectedness, COAN pads
through a small crowd of outstretched hands, lacteal offerings, and
chair legs to gaze up with his dust-greys into her liquid blacks.  His
patternedness, while impossible to describe, is eminently
recognizable.
 
        ##Tremendous!  What a relief you finally made it in.##
Lookers-on observe a lot of nose-sniffing, whisker-testing, and
tail-gesturing.  ##Take your time, get to know all the scents (once
you get through the peanut-smell, I know that's hard), and let them
know who you are whenever you're ready.  Meanwhile, warmth and
fuzzies, calm and security.  I'll be here.##
 
        After somewhat more exchanges of the feline, soul-sharing
kind, a deeply fatigued COAN curls up his comparatively tiny form next
to the soft heat of her neck.  Let there be fur.  And fur there was,
suffusing the air of Callahans with its weightless aura of home,
friendship, and feline presence.  Ahhh....
 
	[Apologies.  Temporal confabulations have delayed this post
several days, causal vicinity is upset with me...] 

In the sound booth of Radio Free Colorado the intrepid DJ exclaims
victoriously as he miraculously uncovers, per request, an old hobbit
trail-song:
 
Roads go ever on and on,
Over rock and under tree,
By caves where never sun has shone,
By streams that never find the sea,
Over snow by winter sown
And through the merry flowers of June,
Over grass and over stone,
And under mountains in the moon.
 
Roads go ever and ever on,
Under cloud and under star,
Yet feet that wandering have gone,
Turn at last to home afar,
Eyes that fire and sword have seen,
And horror in the halls of stone,
Look at last on meadows green,
And trees and hills they long have known.       -Bilbo Baggins
 
 
Ever recognize a place the first time you came in?
 
 
-Matt Ryan, who, on a bike, can beat out his own e-mail to Wheaton,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
==================================  ====================================
If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
               -old chinese fellow                        -Crowded House     
==================================  ====================================
From: carrot@bear.stonemarche.org (Little red-headed girl)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: A comparison
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:57:56 EDT

This is something that was said to me which I found amusing and oddly
true, and it is not meant to offend anyone. I thought it might be
appropriate to one of the discussions going on.

How are conservatives, liberals, libertarians and anarchists 
different? Well, pretend you wanted to have sex with a goat.

conservative: Not allowed.
liberal: Only if it doesn't hurt anybody, including the goat.
libertarian: It's OK if it's on your own property.
anarchist: I don't care what you do where!

The person who told me this considered himself to be an anarchist. I fit
in the liberal category.
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+--------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
|	carrot		   |	carrot@bear.stonemarche.org               |
+--------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ 
|	"'The piano is not a machine," that powerful inhuman voice droned.|
|  'To me, yes. I can translate the notes into sounds at a glance [...] I |
| can also grasp [...] that this... music is not for robots. It is for    |
| man. To me it is easy, yes... It was not meant to be easy.'"            |
| 	"Virtuoso," by Herbert Goldstone                                  |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: When packrats move . . .
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:21:14 GMT

baillie@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Stephen Baillie) writes:

>That's something I don't really understand.  Why do people hoard books?
>I always think that books are to be circulated, so tend to use public
>libraries an awful lot.  About the only books I keep are those I know
>I'm going to refer to again, and again...

>Do you actually read all the books you have?  More than once?

Sure - although it sometimes takes a while to get round to some of 'em!  As for
public libraries, they are somewhat limited in the books I'm interested in
(particularly the older stuff) - ours have these great book-sales where they
toss out all the "old books", ie things over 5 years.  And my library acts as a
semi-public library anyway; usually I have quite a number of bits and pieces
in circulation to friends and students.  Share the wealth ...

Splash!

--
***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
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*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
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*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:25:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In alt.callahans, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

> In article <122420117@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >
> >Some more than others.  It is a common tactic of the american war
> >machine to arrange things so that the poor fight and die to protect
> >everyone.  Most notable are cases in the civil war where there
> >was a draft, and people were allowed to pay $300 not to be
> >drafted.  In VietNam, this was accomplished through college deferement.
> 
> Actually, what you're saying isn't that some reeive more of the benefits of
> that defense than others, but that some bear more of the cost than others.

Probably.  The distinction does not seem all that important to me.


doug
From: AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: When packrats move . . .
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:15:18 GMT
 <STEVE.92Sep10093607@diana.Advansoft.COM> <6wvnx5j.aahz@netcom.com>
Organization: Penn State University

Sayeth the aahz:

>>"You *count* your books?" says the Mandelbear.  "Mostly I measure them
>>by the foot.

>Heh.  Just wait 'til you're tempted into putting all your book titles
>into a database.....

One of these days, I'm going to count up all the books listed in my database.
Must be more than 2000 there ...

(BTW, hiya from the East coast!  I'll be back home in California next week...)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE)
Subject: peanuts re: Punday, 9/8 - Jason
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:14:18 GMT


 "Hmm. How many would you like Kitten ? Enough to bury him up to the
waist in peanuts, or up to the eyebrows ??? " Linda.


* <JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET> Jim "DJ." Pierce; Bach. Sci. in Appl. Comp. Sci.
* USM Academic Computing on the Gulf Park Campus. Disclaimer: Standard.
* "I'm a computer operator and I'm Ok !" me.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:21:45 EDT
From: <AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Callahan's avain population?

Abner grins over at Feather, the newest avian member.

"Gee, I'd offer to put your next drink on my bill, but I don't have one.
Should I put my next drink on _your_ bill?"
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: When packrats move . . .
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:28:37 GMT

Welcome to the Place Pegasus (and again Jason).  Congrats on the new job - I
sincerely hope it all turns out OK, and that you can find more spacious
accomodation soon.

Which brings me round to:  apartments!

Here in Oz apartments are the exception rather than the norm ... the first
major thing that most couples try to obtain when they get together is a house
of some sort, preferably of their own.  Usually the government has some sort of
scheme running where low-cost housing loans are available to first-home buyers.
My partner bought a 4-bedroom/1-bathroom house with 800 sq.m of land in this 
way several years ago, and now (thanks to a timely inheritance) our mortgage
repayments are down to a very manageable level; less than the normal rent
payments for similar accomodation.  In fact, with the new baby due in February
we've been thinking about moving up to a somewhat larger place.  I guess
the great Australian dream of owning your own home is nowadays less healthy
than it used to be, but there are still plenty of folk (including those on low
incomes) who can swing it.

So what I'm interested in is: how prevalent are apartments as accomodation in
the US, as opposed to "real" houses ("detached", as the English would say)?  Is
an abode such as your original one, Jason and Pegasus, common in the US?

Just curious ...

Splash!
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* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
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*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
From: jevans@ius.indiana.edu (JEVANS)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: C: A toast!
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:37:54 GMT

>for she's a jolly good fellow
>Which nobody can deny!

 
              The Doctor, hearing this spirited rendition for the
          -Sprite, elegantly raises an eyebrow and turns from Table 82
          to address le' Bearmeister: "My good fellow, you obviously
          haven't gotten a good look at the -Sprite, have you? She is
          most DEFINITELY not a fellow!" Rising, he strides to the
          bar, collects a God's Blessing from Mike, and addresses the
          crowd.
              "Ladies, Gentlemen... and oh yes, Manx.. I'd like to
          ask everyone, what is your all time favorite pun? With some
          of the puns I've heard in THIS bar, I might be able to use
          them to fight the Daleks, next time I face them. Bugger
          weapons, nail them with a few choice puns, and they'll run
          screaming! So, I declare the contest O-pun!"

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: yho@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Yue-shun E. Ho)
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:32:11 GMT

In article <kiran.715763980@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>
>>Vitamin A can be toxic in large doses, but the company selling vitamins
>>fails to disclose this information to you.  How to redress the problem?
>
>Educate the citizenry to ask questions of doctors or scientists before
>they ingest chemicals?
>

Doctors and scientists (particularly nutritionists) do not agree.  Doctors
  do not agree amongst themselves either.

yue-shun, who takes more than 10 pills a day, including 25000IU of Vitamin A

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Good Morning, Friends!
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  7 Sep 92 03:12:05 GMT

carole@peregrine.Sun.COM (Carole Parker) writes:

>>Height: 5'9" (Can someone please convert to metrics for me?)

175cm on the dot (.)

Splash!
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***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
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*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: krisj@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Kristina Johansson)
Subject: >a timid enterence
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:50:13 GMT

Raven, whose been perched on a bar stool, opens her eyes  to the sight of
the beautiful big cat.  "Why hello over there, don't be shy - well, as
long as you promise not to eat me for lunch. Nick, give that cat some
milk>' Then flying out the door she returns with a dollar for the drink
and a salmon for the ocelot, which she promptly drops next to the cat.
She swoops up onto the barstool, croaks "Enjoy your food and your stay,"
then closes a
one eye, keeping the other half open and watchful.
From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: HoloMuck (was Re: An old friend finds his way back...)
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:11:25 GMT
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology

In article <92253.183801JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu> <JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Jack looks about and finds a few familiar faces...and nods to them. "Hey,
>is HoloMuck still up? Can somone provide me with the telnet connection code?
>I've a feeling my place has gotten a bit dusty, if it's still standing..."
>
>                              J. Jack Frost

Holomuck, the unofficial Real-Time Virtual-Space Callahanian Ggthering
Space is currently residing at 132.206.4.25 5757 which is somewhere at
McGill in Montreal.  But it will probably change back to the collatz
uchicago address (which *used* to be 128.135.120.46 5757) within a
month; I'll try to post as soon as it does.

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WORK: estin@um.cc.umich.edu  330 Packard Rd. 48104 313-747-3699 <- new! --^
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:12:45 -0400 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: where I am and things with wings

>		The dark elf listens in on Feather, about how a tiny
>	ocelot would be an ocelittle.  "Eep!  Where're the peanuts?
>	But y'know, a small group of lions could me a mope (as opposed
>	to a pride), and a small group of crows could be an aggravated
>	assault (rather than a murder of them).  Anyone else want to
>	come up with minimized group names?"

	I guess a small group of dragons would be a slayed rather than a slew.
and a small group of geese would be a giggle and there would be a Hear
of cattle adn of course a class of fish(Itheacius?)

Intellectual Detrivore
Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender aka (ML5A@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
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