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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: WARNING!! (was Re: Vanadyl Sulphate: An experiment)
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:04:45 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <17909@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In reality, Aleck, I would like everyone that has used Vanadyl Sulfate to
>post their real life experiences to the net.  Please post the good as well
>as any bad stuff about VS.

WARNING!!!  Also, please post the brand of VS you have.  Not all are created
equal, and some brands that were tested had none at all.  I know that
SportPharma does have the VS they say they have, that's why I post about them
so much.

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Subject: Men's Workout mag
Originator: mds5142@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:18:06 GMT


I'm interested in getting some opinions on the Men's Workout magazine.
I began getting this magazine a couple years ago when I started
seriously working out.  They gave a lot of good ideas and techniques
that I wasn't aware of.  And since they give the different 'steps' of
what a certain set should look like, this helped a lot.  They have a lot
of good health, fitness and nutritional information too which I like.

Recently, I've been noticing they repeat an awful lot in the way of
different workouts (really, though, how much effective variation can you have
when working with weights), but I still find the fitness and health
articles very interesting (much like off this newsgroup).  Has anybody
else had experience with this magazine?  IMHO, I'd strongly recommend it
for beginners and those interested in getting started in weight lifting.
But after a while, their workout routines seemed to get a little stale.

later,
Mike
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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:38:13 GMT

In article <!f2rp3b@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.200548.18834@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>On the other hand, I agree that supporting body weight is "cheating" but I
>>really don't know why it should bother anybody.  Frankly, I don't see how
>>supporting your body weight with your arms on a Stairmaster is any different
>>than supporting your weight with your butt on a LifeCycle.

The simplest response is that the "calories expended" measurement will be
correct on the LifeCycle and incorrect on the StairMaster.

If someone is supporting 25% of their body weight with their arms on the
StairMaster, then they should enter 25% less weight on the display. I
seriously doubt if the leaning crowd does this.

Bike exercisers, flywheel-oriented rowers and x-c skiing machines measure
"calories expended" by how much energy the user puts into the flywheel. It's
more difficult to "cheat" in such an environment.

>Here is another physical principle. Supporting your weight with your hands
>requires maintained physical effort, and is not trivial. If you really wish
>to assert that one method of using the Stairmaster is incorrect, you should
>be able to back it up with the pulse rates of those people using the
>different techniques.

StairMaster says to not lean in their literature. Perhaps you should ask them
for more information, brian.

>A poor technique, by definition, is one that does not raise one's pulse into
>the aerobic range.

There's more to poor technique than that!

Constantly leaning with the arms does not give the arm muscles an
aerobic-quality workout. The muscles never get a chance to relax. You're
risking strains to the ligaments in your arm and wrist. You're also probably
increasing your total amount of stress.

>If you know that to be true for the "incorrect" Stairmaster technique, you
>should say so. Otherwise, it is impossible to say which method is "better".

It doesn't take studies for me to know that keeping my upper body tense and
rigid during my entire workout is definitely an inferior technique.

If you're really interested, Brian, ask StairMaster.

>Brian

--phil
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From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:07:02 EST

In article <Jan.8.13.43.01.1993.19045@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:
>
>>In article <Bq06AE.Dx8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson)
>> writes:
>
>To be a bit more specific:
>
>>>       At the gym here at the U of I, I see several different "techniques"
>>>that people use on the stairmaster :
>>>
>>>       1. some people put their hands on the front of the console and
>>>          stand erect.  Nearly all their weight is on their feet.  These
>>>          people only use the stairmaster for about 25 - 30 min on a
>>>          med-high setting
>
>This is the proper posture for using the stairmaster.  These people are 
>using their hands for balance.  You say that they *only* use the stairmaster
>for 25-30 minutes, but that is really a long time, and it is quite a good
>workout.
>
>>>       2. others lean all over the hand trails and support most of their
>>>          weight that way.  But these people usually go about an hour
>>>          on the highest setting
>
>They can go for an hour because they are cheating.  This is like doing
>stomach crunches and letting your head rest on the floor in between each
>one.  You can exercise longer, but you won't get the full effect of the 
>exercise.
>
>Also, these people risk injuring their backs.
>
>>>       3. still others lean when they get tired.  After leaning on the
>>>          rails for a minute or two, they'll let go of the rails for a
>>>          while.
>
>Again, they are cheating.  Slow down if you need to, but don't bend over.


Shape magazine (page 52, October 92, for example) often
features a model on a weider stepper.  She usually exercises
on the stepper with poor posture -- shown leaning/bent over
the bars.  This is done, presumably, to show more of the
model's physique.


Software Engineering Institute		bjz@sei.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
From: burdick@frostbite.crd.ge.com (William E. Burdick KWC-1623 5585)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: *****WANTED***** NordicTrack X-country exercise machine
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:02:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

I am interested in purchasing a used NordicTrack cross country
ski exerciser; in particular, I am most interested in the Pro,
Acheiver, and Elite models.

If you have a NordicTrack for sale, please reply to:

burdickma@macgw1.crd.ge.com

Thanks,
Marcia Burdick
From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Is BIGGER & FASTER possible...
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:05:11 GMT
Reply-To: karl@isgtec.com <Karl Sewlochan>
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

: In article <C0DBDt.C5G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson) writes:
: > Question, to all those who body build and get to test their foot speed.
: > Be it 40 yard dashes or track meet sprinting.  If you get larger muscle wise
: > how is your speed affected?  How do you think a guy like Lee Haney or Dorian
: > yates speed would have been before they started BODY BUILDING and after?
: > Im sure with more mass to move there would require more force to move that
: > limb at the same speed, also imbalances may be created to advesely affect
: > speed.  Could someone with first hand knowledge give me some answers?


If you remember back to the 1988 summer Olympics you'll remember
that Ben Johnson got caught using steriods.  Well, when he was
on steriods he could squat something like 600lbs and off he could
do something like 400lbs (as reported in the newspapers, anyhow).  He
was also definitely smaller off steriods.  Now for the fun part,
he was faster when he was bigger/stronger.


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From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LF or FF Oatmeal Cookies
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:53:40 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

>Does anyone out there have a recipie for low-fat or fat-free
>oatmeal cookies that they'd be willing to share with the rest of us?
>
>Or alternately, is there any low-fat butter substitute that is good for
>cooking?
>
>Thanx in advance.
>
>					Dave


Just don't put the fat in.  Where is it written that you have to
make cookies with butter, margarine, or oil?  Add more moisture from
other sources such as water, egg whites, molasses (instead of dry
white sugar), vanilla, fruit juice, etc.  I make a batch of
oatmeal cookies nearly every night as a snack.  I've never used a 
recipe.  I just throw in ingredients until I have the right, thick
dough consistency.  You need to add a little baking soda or powder
to make them puff up if you want them to puff up.  The key to success
cooking them is using a non-stick coated sheet with a little Pam
or other spray on type oil.  Only use a little spray as this will
add oil to the cookies when they soak it up.  But at least they won't
stick to the pan.  Hope you find this useful.


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: How can I get slimmer legs?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:08:01 GMT

In article <86083@ut-emx.uucp> piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kyung Hee) writes:
>Can anyone give me some advice or tell me how I can have slimmer legs. 
>For a girl my height (5' 3")  I kinda have big legs.  I also want to lose
>some weight all around.  I want to flatten my stomach.  I'm not
>interested in gaining anymore muscle.  I just want to tone and trim down
>a bit.  Please help me, anyone.  This of course is one of my New Year's
>resolution.  Thanks.
>
>        	       	       	       	       	Kyung Hee

I will assume that your legs are probably over-fat, rather than
over-muscled for your taste.  If this is so, then the best advice
that I can give is for you to ride a bicycle....... outdoors,
and whenever possible, or at least 4times/week, for approx. an hour
at a time.  After 6 months or so you should have _great_ legs.
Your stomach should also flatten a bit due to the calories burned.
A good _performance diet_ will be helpful too. (see how the racers
eat..... that is how you should eat)

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: schiffd@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (David M. Schiff)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:21:13 GMT

In article <24792@galaxy.ucr.edu> samari@watserv.ucr.edu writes:
>
>Now, i wonder if you didn't lean on your arms, yet still went fast with  
>mini-strides, would it be harder than full strides?  I think it's time for an  
>experiment..... :)
>
>- Tammy
>
This raises the question, can the MET value supplied by the Stairmaster
at the end of a session be trusted?

David.


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:37:27 GMT

>
>As far as calories go, they're all equally bad (9cal/g).
>
>In terms of effect on the heart, however:
>saturated=BAD!
>monounsaturated=good
>polyunsaturated=better,but hurts the immune system
>
>  |
>--+-- Andy Lipscomb

   From what I've read in a few diet/fitness books and my own
   study to become certified as a Jazzercise aerobic instructor,
   I believe it goes:

  saturated - Bad (high cholesterol animal/dairy fats)
  polyunsaturated - Not as Bad (low/no cholesterol vegetable fats)
  monounsaturated - Best (olive oil, nuts, some fish, etc - possibly link
                    to raising HDL an lowering LDL cholesterol)

  Your mileage may vary.  The studies continue with new information
  coming out all the time.

  One thing doesn't seem to change.  Fat is fat is fat - and it all
  has about 9 calories per gram and will contribute to people being overweight
  if not kept to a reasonable percentage of the diet (under 30%) and 
  some form of (at least) moderate exercise is done.

		Bonnie
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: re: Ankle problem
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:41:36 GMT


If the specialists couldn't help we'll probably just get you hurt.

It could be inflamed ligaments or tendons   (take aspirin).

It could be your pad in the ankle           (sorry, your screwed).

It probably ain't a bone spur... remember the x-rays.

A sprain, if you rest it will usually stop hurting inside a few
(2-6 if not serious) weeks.  However, it is still weak and sore
for up to 3 years...

go to a sports medicine doctor, spend the money, 
be safe and broke, 
rather than more broke(if it gets really bad), and sorry.

b. webb, dallas, tx.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulphate: An experiment
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:50:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In reality, Aleck, I would like everyone that has used Vanadyl Sulfate to
post their real life experiences to the net.  Please post the good as well
as any bad stuff about VS.

In reality, Aleck, how do you like Vanadyl Sulfate?  Is it helping you?

In my experience, I believe it has helped me to get bigger as well as stronger
at a quicker pace than normal.  You can actually "feel" it working because
within a week of use, you get an incredible pump in the gym.  I'm very
impressed with this supplement and feel it is the best I've ever used.

							-Adam

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From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:36:34 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I guess I must be abnormal or something.  I use a Life Step for 35 minutes
daily and while just standing there stepping, which can be really boring,
I use 3 pound hand weights and do upper body exercises.  i.e. presses,
butterfly, curls, tri-extensions.  For toning purposes and aerobic benefit
I get two for the price of one!  = )

Jennifer Brown
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:06:23 GMT

In article <Jan.8.13.43.01.1993.19045@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:
>
>>In article <cso.uiuc.edu>, djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson)
>> writes:
>
>>>       2. others lean all over the hand trails and support most of their
>>>          weight that way.  But these people usually go about an hour
>>>          on the highest setting
>
>They can go for an hour because they are cheating.......

  
Glad you said it first. I see people who go to the gym all the time and
that's the way they do the stairs. It drives me crazy. They HAVE to know
they're kidding themselves, don't they?

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Vanadyl Sulphate: An experiment
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:33:35 GMT


An Experiment in Vandyl Sulphate Supplementation. 

Since the most talked about supplement in this newsgroup 
is Vanadyl Sulphate i decided to experiment on myself and report 
its effects on me to this newsgroup. I'd like to thank Adam 
for his encouragement and motivation for this dangerous endevour. 

Wed 6 
I got my VS. Has this nice looking cute blue color. 
I allready have second thoughts about it. 
The note on the bottle suggesting cycling it on and 
off doesnt help. (Like: "This is absolutely harmless 
but cycle it every 3 months or else youre as dead as 
a brick"). 

Thu 7 
After a day of meditation and looking at pictures 
in Arnolds encylopaedia i'm ready to take my first pill. 
I dissolve it and shoot it down. 
YOWIE! Wow! Argghh! Powerful! DAMN! 
It makes my head spin and my gut turn. 
Think ill dissolve it in water next time instead of 
triple distilled Greek ouzo. 

Fri 8
The first effects are coming in allready. 
I start saying "Im the greatest" every time im about 
to bench press, i stop training my lower body, and i 
start challenging people to arm-wrestling contests. 
No visual difference yet. Ive decided to stack it 
with another drug. This could be tricky folks.... 

Sat 9 
Im getting HUGE! 
Like i gain a pound of muscle every hour and burn a 
pound of fat. And this is on a diet of pizza, beer 
and baklava. 

Sun 10 
The 60 inch chest and 25 inch arms are ok but the dizzy spells 
are getting worse. Im also starting to see some really wierd 
things. 

Mwf 11234 1/2 
I wake up and my teddy bear is trying to kill me. 
After throwing it on the floor and jumping on it 
it gets up and challenges me to an arm-wrestling 
match. I lose. The teddy-bear starts laughing swirly yellow fumes that 
sound like absynthine crystal start enveloping me in noxious 
soprano purplish marshmellows. I think im losing it!.... 

Tue 12 
I wake up and find myself in the closet. I get out and everything 
is ok (except for that teddy bear with the butcher knife going 
through its belly). Cant recall exactly what happened last night but 
im going back to straight VS. LSD doesnt seem to mix well.....

Wed 13 
Look in the mirror and realize that my biceps are still 14 inches 
but NOW they are a HARD 14 inches! 

Thu 14 
A week has gone by and i still like a skinny guy wearing a 
Powerhouse gym sweatshirt suffering from acute ILS 
(Invisible Lat Syndrome....). Also my visa bill came in. Damn 
these VS pills are expensive! 

Fri 15 
What the hell, party night!!!!! 

---------------------------------------

To be continued.......? 



Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Strength--Size--Weight Loss?????
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:59:02 GMT

In article <jed3.726847096@Ra.MsState.Edu> jed3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph E. Dunston) writes:
>I have been lifting for a little over one year now.  Talking
with people where I work out, I frequently get asked about my
goal ( Why am I workingout Strength, Size, Weight Loss).  Also
in reading some postings and magazine acticles the three seem to
be sectioned off, you can have one but not the other.  Well I
guess I'm hard headed or just plain ignorant 'cause I want ALL
THREE.  Is this possible?  What would I have to do to succeed in
doing this?  Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated.

After one year you should have some idea of what is possible
given your body, your genes, your age, and the resources you
have to apply to the enterprise.

-- 
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Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Loss of Energy midway through a set
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:38:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.163725.5915@cis.ohio-state.edu> rviswana@violin.cis.ohio-state.edu (r viswanathan) writes:
>
>  I have been working out for a couple of years now and am just starting to
>  get regular at the gym after a long layoff. 
>  Here is my problem. I can squat reasonable poundages (225 lbs) without much
>  trouble, but my upper body (chest and deltoids) refuse to get stronger.
>  Midway through a set, after about 5 reps done in good form, I suddenly lose
>  energy and the next rep becomes extremely difficult. This is a recent 
>  phenomenon and I haven't experienced it before. This happens only on
>  lifts involving the deltoids and the chest like the military or the bench
>  press.
>
>  I am 22 years of age, 6' tall and weigh about 157 pounds. I work out
>  6 days a week for about 40 minutes per session. I know I am not overtraining
>  because my back and legs are making progress. Can anyone suggest a remedy?
>
> --Thanks
>
>  Ram Viswanathan.

hi ram.

i think that working out six days a week can be problematic.  one's body needs
a relief from it all, even though you may not be working the same muscles
everyday.  perhaps cutting back to four or five days weekly is a good
first step -- say tues, thurs, sat, sun, for instance.  next, i would
simply recommend that you lower the weights you are using for reps on your
upper body exercises.  you may have a given weight in mind because
that is what you did a long time ago, or maybe you feel that is what you
should be doing.  but if your body cannot do it, it cannot do it -- pure
and simple.  use a weight that you can do sets of 8-12 with no matter how
small, and take it a day at a time.  i really think that will solve 
the problem.

ciao,

poo
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Re: eczema trouble
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:05:59 GMT

I have been diagnosed with eczema on my hands and my allergist
prescribed Diprolene, a steriod-type salve. It really seems to help.
I'm not allergic to anything, he said, after allergy tests. He
also said to avoid getting my hands wet and to use vaseline on them
as well.

Kay Jones


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