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From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Problem:  SE formats HD floppy as DD, but LC rejects it...why?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:02:34 GMT
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

In article <1992Aug17.200351.2274@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> darylb@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>I know that the behavior described is indeed the way the Mac
>does things, but it seems kind of silly.  DOS machines routinely
>"adapt" to the format of the floppy inserted into the drive,
>provided the drive is capable of writing the format the disk is
>using.  My 1.4 MB drive has no problem at all recognizing and properly
>using 720K diskettes without being told which it is.

Yes, but does it properly recognize 1.4M disks that have been formatted 720K?
Apple HD drives have no problems reading (and writing) DD disks.  As has been
stated earlier, the problem arises when 1) an HD disk is formatted as DD, in
an DD-only drive, and 2) said disk is then inserted into an HD-capable drive.
This doesn't work, nor should it.

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From: k.a.cooper@lut.ac.uk (Keith Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: What to do with 256K SIMMS?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:12:47 GMT
Organization: HUSAT Research Inst., Loughborough, UK

In article <par-110892162810@mac124.ugadm.nwu.edu> par@nwu.edu (Pete Rodriguez)
writes:
>Are 256K SIMMS good for anything?  I've got 10 of these things just
>collecting dust in a closet.  Can anyone think of anything to do with these
>things?

I asked this a while ago and received a few replies

There seems to be no real use for them anymore although someone did suggest
that a "stacking" socket was available, so that four of them could fit into one
1MB simm socket. Unfortunately I've not been able to track down anything here
in the UK.

The best reply was this Top Ten list (Most humble appologies for losing the
senders name, but thank you)

TOP 10 list of 'Things To Do With Those Old 256K SIMMS'. 

1. Make them into key chains.
2. Donate them to the museum of progress and ask for a receipt for a tax write
off equal to the highest list price they use to sell for. (That would be
approximately $240.00 each) 
3. Mail them to Arthur C. Clarke, mention that now that Dave is gone maybe he
could give them back to Hal for you.
4. Use them to increase the viewing height of your macs monitor. (3/16 of an
inch at a time.)
5. Use one to old hold open the door of your VCR while you clean the heads. 
6. Make plaster casts of them and try to market them as computer fossils. 
7. Paint some red and some green and use them as subdivisions or apartment
complexes in Monopoly.
8. Send them to the National Enquirer as proof that you were kidnapped by
aliens and made to work the silicon mines of Mars, ask $1.2 million for your
story.
9. Glue them to the end of your driveway for speed bumps. 
10. Put them in an envelope and send them to Apple, along with a note saying "I
was up late last night doing the yearly budgets for my company and my Macintosh
just froze up on me. I really need the budgets by the end of the month, would
you please recover the data out of these memory chips.'

We tried the last one on our local Apple dealer, but were unable to recover any
useful information... 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: 11437294@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (NATHAN WHEAT)
Subject: Re: New IIvx and IIvi...why on EARTH 16mhz? 
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:51:22 GMT

>
>Just to add to the anarchy here on the IIvx and IIvi (and which processor
>which one uses), I've heard 32mhz and 16mhz....my question is: Why on EARTH
>would Apple goto a 16mhz chip...I'd think the MINIMUM they'd use would be
>20mhz!

To be cheaper??

>-- 
> "When I was young we got our first color TV set and our neighbor kids got
>jealous 'cause their parents wouldn't buy one. So the parents put red green 
>and blue celophane on it and called it color...now they have Windows 3.1"

What do you think the diff is between Windows (face for DOS) and the MacOS (
face for God-knows-what)?

Nathan W.

PS:  Not a flame, a question.
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: New Macs Announced (IIvx/vi, Performas 200/400/600)
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

gee@iastate.edu (Gary W Clayburg) writes:


>Anybody know the specs on the IIvi for those of us who aren't priveleged
>enough to be able to afford MacWeek?

    You don't need to afford MacWEEK. You just might be eligible for a
free subscription.

>Is there a price range set yet or any speculations out there?

    MW says the pricing on the Perfoma series will be in the $1000 -
$3000+ range. This should probably map over to the IIvi and IIvx.

>Will apple be dicontinuing some of their models like the IIsi?

    Everything I have heard says the IIvi and IIvx are the replacement
for the IIsi and IIci.

>How many slots (NUBUS or processor direct) are in these machines?

    The article says 3 NuBus and 1 PDS, probably arranged like the
Quadra 700.

>How much memory will they be shipped with?

    The latest word from Apple is that all CPU's will be shipped with a
minumum of 4MB.

>How do they fit into apple's lineup, performance wise?

    IIvi - 16MHz '030
    IIvx - 33MHz '030 w/ cache card and FPU

>Will apple keep the sound-input idea?

    Why on earth would they not?

>What type and how many expansion ports will they have (ADB,SCSI, etc.)

    The article didn't say, but it will probably be either the layout of
the IIsi or the layout of the Q700 (without the ethernet of course ;)

>Will the CD Rom drive be in addition to a Hard Drive and floppy?

    According to the article it will.

>What size of Hard drive will be available?

    Oh, probably the current standard of 80, 230, 400 just like it is
for everything else above the IIsi in the current lineup.

>Just a bunch of questions from a poor college student

    Understandable, but you did ask a number of questions that would
seem to be known to anyone who ever looked at an Apple price list.


--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
		   "A clear case of curare poisoning
	       of one of her Majesty's Cold-Cream Guards"
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From: dohle@vax2.concordia.ca (Gordon Dohle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SCSI id change for 40m Connor Internal?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:48:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Could anyone help me with how to change the scsi
id for a 40m (Apple=0) Connor? I want to use it
as an external.
On the controller, there are 6 pins labelled
E1 to E4 (eight pins, actually). Do I jump them?
or... on the front end where the LED goes, there
are 9 pins. Is that where the jumpers go?

Thnks for any help


Gordon
Dohle@vax2.Concordia.ca
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 10:47:12 CET
From: C R Francis <RFRANCIS@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 8-bit or 24-bit, that is the question...

In answer to the question about real-world uses of 24-bit vs 8-bit,
particularly for scientific data analysis, I can comment.  On the specific
hardware mentioned I cannot.

I am using 2 monitors actually, a 19" running in 24-bits from an
accelerated card (SuperMac Spectrum 24 PDQ), and a 13" running in 8-bit
mode from an Apple 8.24 card.  I almost never change these allocations,
though both can run in anything up to 24-bits.  The big 24-bit screen is
noticably faster than the other, though of course it is accelerated.

My work involves a lot of scientific data analysis, often with large 2D
data sets from our earth-observation satellite ERS-1.  I am particularly
concerned with global wind and wave fields, and usually have both types of map
on-screen simultaneously.  I use 8-bit colour mapping for the data, but
since the coding is different for each parameter this has to be done in
24-bit mode, otherwise only the foreground window gets the right colours.

Sorry if this is bit detailed, but in my view it is a strong argument for
24-bits.  It also avoids the anoying colour shifts when switching contexts
(unless you always use the system palette).

I also use Photoshop for preparing these things for publication, where again
the 24-bit mode is essential.  In this way for example one can use 2 8-bit
colour maps which only differ in saturation---a useful technique for
highlighting.

I would definitely go for 24-bit, even with the speed penalty (you can
always turn it off).  These days science uses high-quality colour graphics
too.

Hope this helps,

-------------------------------------        Richard Francis
Internet: rfrancis@estec.estec.esa.nl        European Space Research and
Bitnet  : rfrancis@estec.bitnet                Technology Centre (ESTEC)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Anthony Chan)
Subject: Installing 4MEG SIMMS on LC
Organization: UT
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:35:46 GMT

I'm purchasing two X 4Mb Simms for the LC (to upgrade to 10 meg)

Someone told me that I may have to take out a resistor or something before
installing them.  Is that true?

He has a Mac Plus and said that to put new SIMMS in his machine he need to
do this.

I've looked inside my LC and it looks just like a simple job of uncliping the 
clasps, taking out my 2 old 1 meg SIMMS and adding new ones


Help!


Anthony Chan - e-mail to u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au
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From: king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Wanted--Info:Optical Drives??
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


From king Thu Aug 13 08:59:48 1992
To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article

Jeffrey Sullivan writes:
Byt an 3.5" MO and a CD-ROM drive separately; it'll cost
less that a 5.25 MO, and the MO will run faster.

This is not necessarily true.  I bought a factory refurbished 5.25" drive
in CA for only $1500.  It is a Tahiti I, which read and writes both the 650Meg
and 1Gig formats.
King
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: RE: recommend a 14.4k modem?
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 92 19:00:10 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

jgreene@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Kevin Greene) writes:

KG> Could someone please recommend a 14.4k modem? I've seen the 
KG> zoom for $299, and the supra for around $350 or so. 

to let you in on a sleeper of a deal:  the US Robotics Sportster line of
modems is their consumer line, and their Sportster 14.4 Faxmodem sells for
under $350 on the street (pick up Computer Shopper).  It's v.32bis, of course,
and comes from a company with some years of experience in high speed modems.

I don't know why they don't advertise the hell out of these things; they must
know the demand is there, and that the Supras/Zooms/ZyXels of the world are
getting all the press....

--Adam--
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 3rd Party PB100 Cables?
From: croson@husc15.harvard.edu
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:00:03 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I remember seeing a string of posts about the PB100 cable required to hook up
to another Mac via SCSI mode.

Is there another source for this cable other than Apple?  How about for the
cable which hooks up the PB100 to the external HD?  I'm considering getting
several cables, so a price break is multiplied...

Dave Croson
dcroson@hbs.harvard.edu
From: zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Floptical Drive
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:28:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State Academic Computing

>  Also, another drag is that I
> cannot seem to boot from the PLI drive.  Perhaps I just need to
> change the startup device; I haven't tried that yet.  Certainly not
> as convenient as autoboot from floppy with the FDHD.
> 
> Mark
> -- 

  Mark, I had the same problem when I purchased a PLI SUperFloppy a copuple
of years back for my old Mac Plus.  It was a ROM problem, which caused the
drive not to realise that it could be the boot volume.  I called PLI and
mentioned this and the _very_ promptly sent out replacement ROMS via UPS. 
I had 'em in the drive within two days.


  This leads to my next question:  Does anyone know if PLI has an upgrade
path for their old SuperFloppies?  I'd like to put a Floptical into the
case, and it appears to be the came case PLI is using for the Flopitcal. 
Any clues would be helpful.


- Greg Talmo  (zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu)
  [The opinions expressed above are my own, and do not necessarily reflect
the 
   opinions, tastes, or policies of Winona State University, its faculty,
   staff or students.]
From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Strange flicker with Apple 13" RGB monitor
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:02:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.tertium.713638924
Organization: University of Washington

PHEACOCK@utmmg.med.uth.tmc.edu (Philip Heacock) writes:

>I have talked to three people who have bought 13 inch monitors in the last
>six mo. All of them exhibit this behavior.  The "problem" (is it?) is
>independent of cpu.


Make that four!   My 1-month-old monitor went (quite literally) on the blink.
Of course, now I can't reproduce the problem, but I DO HAVE A WITNESS!

I do believe the problem is independent of the CPU -- it might even be something
as "stupid" as a loose cable, though that was the first thing I checked.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.protocols.appletalk
From: rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf)
Subject: Re: Asante hardware (was Re: Do not buy the Asante SCSI ethernet adapt
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:56:03 GMT

I have to agree with you that the Asante boards are excellent.  The DRIVERS are
the only problem, and as far as I know those problems are solved.  The new 
drivers (Universal 4.1, or En/Sc 2.0) work fine on all systems, all 
configurations we've tried here (about a dozen or more).

Bob
From: bourgeoi@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Jean-Marc Bourgeois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 8-24GC strikes again...
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:34:22 GMT
Organization: IREQ

I newly acquire a 16" color monitor from Apple. As explained in the litterature
this monitor doesn't operate on 8-24GC  video card of the first generation. 
So I bought a ROM Upgrade from Apple (rev B) and install it...

Now I can plug my monitor into the refurbished 8-24GC card but I've only acces to
256 colors instead of the promised 32000 colors.

Help please !

My configuration: MacIIfx, system 7.0.1, Tuner 1.1.1, 8-24GC drive 7.0.1


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From: arpraym@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Can someone sell me a used Mac?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:51:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I am looking for a used Mac, of the non-modular variety, but would be willing
to look at anyhting in the $1000-$1500 range.

Originally I was looking for an E/30.


Ray MacNeil
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac II differences
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:58:42 GMT
Reply-To: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Organization?  We don't need no steenking organization!
Discliamer: Upon my being captured or killed, my professors will
            disavow any knowledge of me, my statements, and/or
            my mission.


In article <1992Aug19.232232.21312@math.ucla.edu>,
Citizen dchopp@vicente.math.ucla.edu (David Chopp) writes :
>I may be the only one that's confused, but could someone please tell me,
>very roughly, what the difference is between all the Mac II's.  So far I've
>seen IIx, IIfx, IIcx, IIci, IIsi, and now IIvx, IIvi.  Is there some
>hierarchy of capabilities and compatibility?  I don't really want a
>detailed analysis, just a rough idea of how they compare.  Thanks...

  Others have already given a list, but please, bare with me.  I just figured
out something in the naming pattern.  If you have figured this out before, just
think to yourself "he's slow" and go onto the next message.  Otherwise, read
on.

  Didya notice this :

    Mac II_  (Don't read this a "underscore", read it as a non-printing space.)
	II_x
	IIcx
	IIci
	IIfx
	IIsi
	IIvi
	IIvx
	  ^

  It's in alphabetical order!  (First letter, with _ being lowest.)  Sure,
Quadras, Performs, compact Macs and all other designs fall out, but I think I
have a clue why the IIsi has an 's' and the new machines have a 'v'...
  Okay, so I'm slow...  (And if I got the order wrong, I'm dumb, but I think I
got it right...)

  One other thing, and this is a major pet peeve of mine.  Apple used to make
computers called Apple ][+, ][c, etc., however, they now make machines called
Macintosh IIsi, IIci, LCII, etc.  Notice?  It's "II", as in two capital 'i's.
NO stylized ']['.  Please!  Write it the correct way!  I don't like to think
of my IIsi as a ][c on steroids!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: juskiw@ee.ualberta.ca (Scott Juskiw)
Subject: Re: 8-24GC strikes again...
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:43:41 GMT

Finally, somebody else with unexplained GC weirdness.  I complained about 
unexpected crashes months ago between the System 7 Tuner and the GC 
accelerator but nobody else seemed to notice it.  

I (sort of) isolated the problem by using a completely reformatted hard
drive with a fresh clean install of 7.0.1 followed by a Tune-Up
installation. With NO extra inits or applications loaded whatsoever, the
machine worked properly (although I couldn't actually do anything with it).
As soon as I added the GC init, BOOM, it would crash just opening and
closing windows in the Finder (in less than a minute). Removing the Tuner
init solved the problem completely.

The setup was a IIci, sys 7.0.1, old GC card, GC init 7.0.1, Tuner init 1.1.1.

Anybody else have a GC horror story ?


-- 
Scott Juskiw
Electrical Engineering
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LC II, PowerCache, IIsi (need infos)
From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:34:13 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Patrick.Stadelmann@info.unine.ch (Patrick Stadelmann) writes:
> 
> Anyone out there has ever used a LC or LC II with a Daystar PowerCache ?
> I have some questions about such a configuration :
> 
> 1) How much does a 33 or 40 Mhz card with FPU improve the speed on a 
>    LC/LC II ?  I have only found info when the card is used on a ci or si.

I talked with a guy at he NZ distributors a couple of weeks ago,
and he quoted me the following:

        LC + 33MHz PowerCache  = IIci
        LC + 40MHz             = IIfx
        LC + 50Mhz             = they hadn't tried one, but
                                 Quadra speed maybe?

This was based on his experiments with the card, not advertising
info or anything like that

> 2) Is there a risk of "problems" with some hard/software (incompatibilty 
>    due to the speed) ?

This guy had an old Mac II with a 40MHz PowerCache, and he
claimed that he'd had no software compatibility problems
whatsoever. You might find compatibility problems with some of
the more obscure software -- most mainstream stuff should be OK.
I didn't ask about hardware compatibility.

> 3) Are 80ns SIMMs fast enough for the card ?

Should be.

> 4) You can get a LC II with a 40 Mhz card for the price of a si, and I 
>    expect it to be faster than the si. The LC II also has VRAM. The only 
>    advantages I can think of for the si are its PDS that can be used as a 
>    Nubus slot, and the si must be able to address more RAM than the LC II. 
>    Am I missing something, or is the si overpriced ?

The si has more expandibility (NuBus capability as you've already
stated), a higher RAM capacity (17Mb as opposed to 10Mb on the
LC), and more options on the internal video (i.e. you can drive
more types of monitors straight out of the box).

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University of Otago,            Phone: +64 3 479-8179
Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.           Fax:   +64 3 479-8311
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From: dmeyers@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Dave Meyers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:57:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst./Modeling & Analysis Lab

In <1992Aug18.131234.9706@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:


>    Yes, I know that there are a number of cases where people can't get
>sys 7 versions of their software for whatever reasons, but that doesn't
>make system 7 a 'disadvantage'. Incompatible, and sometimes even
>unacceptable but there is nothing about System 7 that is disadvantageous,
>and that was the point I was trying to make. For a number of people,
>System 7 just isn't currently an option for them, but given the option
>of either system version I still don't see there being any disadvantage
>to choosing 7 over 6.

Perhaps you misunderstand.  System 7 isn't the disadvantage. 
The disadvantage lies in machines which won't run older OS versions.
For people for whom system 7 is not an option, neither are new
machines which require it.

--D
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