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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:47:48 -0700
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Subject:      RE: SOMALIA/BOSNIA
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I am very interested inwhat goes on at the Carter Center. At Dominguez Hills I
 direct the Human Rights Resources Center, and we might like to make/keep
 contact with you. Marilyn
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:40:31 CDT
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Subject:      Re: Americans

Zahir and Deborah:
I really enjoy reading your discussions because they are very interesting and
make me stop and think.  It is difficult sometimes to convey the right
meanings on e-mail because so much of what we say is conveyed through
non-verbal communication.  I am afraid that sometimes I may have offended
people on this LISTSERV because I did not express myself properly.

I have friends in Scotland and England and you are right, they are very
politically conscious.  They would sit down after dinner and debate for
hours about the latest political escapades.  Not all the British are in
favor of the EC and they are very concerned about the impact of this.

Deborah:
I would like to know more about what is taught in elementary and high
schools here in the U.S. because that may be the reason for why some
Americans are aware of foreign affairs.  You may reply to my ID.
Monica
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:35:29 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE:

I guess its time for United Nation to stop killing of innocent people in
Bosnia...


Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:17:44 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Voting

yes, he was lucky that he got to appoint them... but appointing is not
a process that involves luck..it invovls choice... and look who he
chose....

now I know why mom said, "NEver discuss politics" (smile)

can be we turn to humor (sigh), I need some rest from this opinionated
, hot and heavy convo...

Is this supposed to be fun? (smile)

/Emmy
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:12:05 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: National Identity

Monica,

A great Chinese professor who had lived in the U.S. many years said something
about America that I treasure and often repeat when people ask me what I
think is most uniquely different about America....from the Asian world...

He had said..."America allows you to fail".....

I think that in most Asian countries, the parents and family are often the
decisionmakers...its rarely the person most affected by the decision...
and in general, most decisions by parents and families (be it selecting a
major for their child or a marriage partner) are designed to prevent
"failing"... and once the decision is made, there is tremendous pressure to
make it (the decision) a success.....

In becoming American, one of the things I had to overcome was this fear of
"failing"....letting down parents and family.... I have failed in many
things since....but what fun it is having the opportunity to "go for it"
and the pleasure when one succeeds at something one selects...

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:32:00 CDT
From:         "Phil Gerdes K-State Univ." <PHILG@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Somalia/Bosnia

From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET >
>I think you hit it on the nail.....Somalia is Africa and black...Bosnia
>is white and getting more attention....It would have got even more
>attention and pressure to do more if those were not "muslims"....

The United Nations is not the USofA.  If the UN is not paying attention
to Somalia, why is that an American problem?

If Americans don't know geography then why are you saying Americans
are ignoring Somalia because they are black Africans?  If they don't
know Somalia then they aren't going to know it's in Africa.

Bad Americans for going into Kuwait.... Bad Americans for NOT going
into Bosnia.  Gee, damned if we do , damned if we don't.


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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:21:28 CDT
From:         "Beverly P." <BPARDUE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 'in the news...'

Regarding news reports' references to whether any Americans were involved,
or how many, etc.:

Years ago, when I was a journalism major, in our newswriting classes we were
taught the importance of making the story valuable or relevant to the reader
--give them a reason to be interested in it and to read (hopefully) the
entire story.  What you are seeing, I feel, is the writer's attempt to
reach out and gain the attention of the watcher or reader of the news.  I
don't believe they are callously disregarding whether people of other
nationalities were involved--face it, their audience is American and that
will be the major angle of interest to many, many people.  I, too, am dis-
appointed to read of a disaster far away and to receive minimal details,
at best.  When Mexico City had the last terrible earthquake, I wanted to
know which neighborhoods were especially hit because of close friends
(non-U.S. folks, incidentally) who live there.  The other day when VOA
was reporting the gas explosion in Turkey, I was listening because of my
concerns for a Turkish friend--the actual town in Turkey where it happened
was THE VERY LAST THING MENTIONED in the story.  Yes, this is frustrating
but it also reflects where we live.  This is just a fact.

If it's interesting to know, I did not complete my journalism degree.  Instead
I changed my major to history & got my B.A. in it.  For graduate school, I
chose library & information science--this supports the earlier voiced obser-
vation that in this country it is okay to change your mind, change your
major, change your life's plans.

Beverly.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:07:14 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: For Phil.....

Joyanto,

I can see the anger behind your comments about Phil..... two comments,
one is that a lot of Americans view their gov't like a mother views
her son.... She just does not want to believe that her son could possibly
be doing all those things.... You can't help but admire the love of her
son and I also appreciate Phil's love for his country....

the second is that you seem to be reacting like a lot of immigrants and
foreigners in that you see the claims made by the U.S. regarding human
rights and support of democracy as false and resent that they make these
claims.....   Actually, all thse gov't speakers and what they say are
just commercials....

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:49:28 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: SOMALIA/BOSNIA

Joyce,

I think you hit it on the nail.....Somalia is Africa and black...Bosnia
is white and getting more attention....It would have got even more
attention and pressure to do more if those were not "muslims"....

I am often a cynic regarding what we can do....I hope I am wrong ..
do let me know what you think we can do..

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:31:16 EDT
From:         Admir Creso de Lima Targino III <HUNK@BRUFPB2.BITNET>
Subject:      Physics

Hi everyone,

I'm interested in Physics. Could you send me some addresses of some
Universities which studies the Quantic Physics ?

Thanks beforehand,

Luciana Pimentel
E-address LUCIANAN@BRUFPB2 /bitnet.
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:19:22 EDT
From:         Joyce Neu <CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Somalia/Bosnia

Hi Jean,
        Thanks for your note--I wasn't sure if my postscript to Phil
was nasty--I tried not to make it so, but that's sure how I felt...

How are you?  Wish I could log on during the day at work, but alas,
cannot yet, so I do this at home, not usually this late, though.
All is going well with me--I'm enjoying Atlanta and the heat and
humidity haven't depressed me or gotten to me nearly as much as I
was expecting them to.  Probably because I'm not outside very much.
Am house hunting and have found a couple possible prospects. Will
go out Monday night again and look at a few more. It's fun but scary!

Take care and have a good weekend.
Joyce
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 19:03:34 EST
From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      National Identity

 Zahir,
      I don't know about India and I haven't had a chance to ask my roommate,
 but in Greece even the villagers know what is happening in the EC.  They
 would be crazy not to keep on top of things since it directly affects them.
 After all, they are a member nation of the EC.  I also noticed in the UK that
 even the average folks are very much in tune to politics.  They even broadcast
 meetings of parliament on the TV.  Here in the US, unless you are a career
 politician or things are going badly for the country (and you), it is usually
 at election time that the average American gets involved/interested in
 politics.

 I will cite another example of the American's disinterest in the world.  (If
 I mentioned this before please forgive me.)  In the UK, in India, in Greece,
 they all broadcast American television programs.  How many British, Indian,
 or Greek programs do you see on American television?  If you watch public
 television you will see a few British programs but you're not going to see
 the others unless you have a satellite dish.  If Americans were truly
 interested, the programs would be there.  They broadcast American programs
 in other countries because the interest is there.

 I'll regress for a minute, the EC is part of the trio of world trading
 powers.  Americans are very much aware of what the trading power of Japan
 means but they barely recognize the growing power of the EC.

 I am an Elementary Education student.  In my Teaching Social Studies
 course this summer, we talked about how that technology has made the world
 smaller.  As communications and travel become easier, it is necessary to
 teach our children not only how to be good community citizens and good
 country citizens but also good global citizens.  The only way to do this is
 to make sure that students have the opportunity to study and make contact
 with other cultures around the world.  Americans are sadly behind in this
 respect.  How many other countries in this world require that their students
 learn English as a second language, starting even at a young age?  In the US,
 you can learn a second language if you feel like it but it's not that
 important. (Not my opinion.)

 Deborah
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:44:45 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Peace, folks

Thanks Jerry. It was getting  abit hot around here. (smile).

Why is so
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:41:00 EDT
From:         PXT6600@ROSEDALE.BITNET
Subject:      USA or United Nations

>For the UN to be truly seen as a ffair body, everybody should be equal..

>>Why?  A nation of 200,000 is equal to a nation of 2,000,000,000?  How is
>>that possible?  In the general assemble they each get one vote and that's
>>about as equal as they can get.

Phil - I enjoyed reading your views on the UN and the role the US plays in it.
However, I couldn't help detecting the simplistic nature of your views.
You said that the Gen. Assembly has equal representation. True, but the MAIN
decision making unit in the UN is the Security Council. And the Security
Council does not have equal representation in terms of power. The US has a
veto power. By your own argument based on population, other countries with
a population greater than the USA should have veto power too. And if this
is true, more than half of the world's nations have populations larger
than France and Britain who also have veto power.

And incidentally, the USA has used its veto power to VETO supposedly good
legislation (using your own argument) MORE TIMES than any other nation who
also has veto power.

And also, the lead role in passing resoultions against IRAQ seems to be a
monopoly of the USA. In fact, let me quote from an article in the NY Times
today (Pg A6, col 5, NY edition)

"But the United States, Britain and France have dominated Security Council
planning and decision-making regarding Iraq. The other two permanent
mebers, China and Russia, have for the most part deferred to the Western
nations. From the strategy to the drafting of diplomatic messages to Iraq,
American officials have taken the lead."

I don't think I'll be way off the mark when I say that the only major
resolutions the UN has taken in the last few months (besides Bosnia) are
resolutions on how to tame IRAQ. This when there are 24 (yes, TWENTY FOUR)
other wars raging in the world today, at least some of which need the good
offices of the UN to mediate.

Probal  Tahbildar
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:05:57 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Voting

Emmy,

Its important to vote if the candidates hold opposing views AND CAN
IMPLEMENT THEIR VIEWS WHEN ELECTED.....  I do not believe that
Bill Clinton can do anything regarding Abortion or Health Insurance or
anything else......for that matter neither can Bush.....

They are fighting to be the potential middlemen between the corp[orations
and the U.S. treasury..... If the Health Insurance industry does not
want National Health Insurance (as well as the AMA), we will not get
National Health Insurance....  If the Pentagon and the Defense industries
want to expend some of our weapons succesfully, the President's role is
to build the desire in the public to do it.....  It matters to the
corporations who gets to be president as to how much money is thrown at
what industries......

In the USSR and the communist countries, things are kept from the people,
in the U.S., so much BS is thrown in with the actual issues that in the
end people are so confused....

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:22:50 -0700
From:         MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: 'in the news...'
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better disasters than no infomration at all. I was in the former SU when all
 kinds of things were going on of which we had a faint sense. Ask them and they
 said, everything's fine. No probelm. Now I carry short wave everywhere in the
 world
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:58:50 EST
From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Voting

 Emmy,
      Abortion is precisely one of the issue on which I differ with Clinton,
 however, I don't think that this list is the place to begin a discussion on
 abortion.

 Deborah
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From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Summary - National Identity
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Deborah hit on something in her last message:  One way we can "see"
ourselves is through the eyes of others.  What was you did that was
"so American"?  What is the image of Americans for non-Americans?

I learned a great deal about American culture from my husband, who is
Greek.  I continue to learn from my students who are from other
cultures.  I don't always like what I learn, but when I hear the
same things about Americans from people who are from a variety of
cultures I have to think that we (Americans) must be giving
off some "common" cultural signals.

Janet C. Constantinides
CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:11:56 EST
From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Voting

 Emmy,

      You ask if I have feelings for some other issues that would make it
 important enough to vote.  I certainly do have feelings about other issues.
 As I mentioned before, I am for national health insurance, gun control, and
 no PACs.  The question is do I feel strongly enough about these issues to
 compromise my conscience in other issues.  Also, what assurance do I have
 that the candidate I vote for will accomplish that which I based my vote on
 and is it worth the compromise for the other issue that I feel strongly about.

      It is not just as simple as doing my "duty" as a good little citizen.
 I heard about a man in Baltimore (I think) who enters his dog in the
 presidential primary each election.  I think that I would probably be
 inclined to vote for him.  But what would showing my disappointment in the
 candidates being offered really accomplish?  There would have to be a
 massive turnout of other people doing the same thing.

 Deborah
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 18:00:30 EST
From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Tourists

 Judith,

 >In Scotland there is a shop that sells Tartan clothes and they will
 >tell you which clan your family name belongs to so you can buy the
 >correct pattern. Most of their customers are American tourists who
 >all seem to want to belong to the 'old country', but do the average
 >american really care.

      Yes, I know of the shop, I have been there.  Actually, there are a
 number of shops that do this but I suspect that you might mean the one in
 Inverness.  I know what tartan I am entitled to wear.  For me finding out
 this information was one more thing to connect me to the past.  Family
 legend has it that my Scottish ancestors came over as missionaries, however,
 I have yet to see any documented proof.  I can't answer for the American
 tourists who seem to want to belong to the 'old country' but this is what
 it means to me.  I have been shaped not just by the experiences that I have
 had but also by the experiences and decisions that my ancestors made.
 Finding out who they were, where they came from, why they came... is
 all a part of finding out about myself.  I don't have any doubts about
 who I am as an individual, but we all have a collective aspect to our
 natures of those who have gone before us.  In my opinion though, the
 average American should care, at least a little bit, about what makes them
 who they are.

 >Do you laugh at your tourist as we do?

      I can't really respond to this as I am not where we get alot of
 tourists on a regular basis.  I will say that there is a little bit of a
 joke about Japanese tourists and cameras (no offense to any Japanese on the
 list).  I was told that in the UK if you see someone with a camera, they are
 probably an American tourist.

 Deborah

 PS:- Think of me the next time you have fish and chips with malt vinegar.
      I miss them dearly.  Also where exactly are you in the UK.  You can
      respond to that privately if you like.
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From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Summary - National Identity

      As the this discussion has progressed I must say that there are several
 issues that I was not clear about that have been clarified.  There are also
 some points that I tried to make that I'm not so sure that I made very clear.
 So, Monica, I agree with you on the point that you made on the difficulty to
 convey what we mean and I, too, fear that I have offended some in my
 inability to express some points clearly.

 1)     When I said that I didn't think that Americans have a national
 identity, I believe what I really meant to say is that we don't really have
 a COMMON national identity.  Yes, we can identify with our flag, our
 anthem, our pledge, etc...  But there, I believe, the similarity ends and a
 great divergence of ideas occurs.  When I was in the UK and I met someone
 from the States, if they weren't from the area that I am from, then I didn't
 feel as close to them as those who were from my area (the mid-atlantic
 states).

 2)     I do realize that I was making some generalizations and that there
 are exceptions to the rule.  I thought those reading them were knowledgeable
 enough to recognize them for what they are and that I need not issue a
 disclaimer for each generalization.

 3)     I was not trying to advocate any negative stereotypes.  I was simply
 trying to make the point that they do exist and that they should create an
 awareness in ourselves.  This awareness should in turn prompt us to
 reconsider our positions periodically.  I am certainly not anti-American.
 I am not saying that Greeks are better.  I AM saying that for ME, I find
 this Greek, who is a product of his culture, preferable to me.  Nikos will
 often say to me in response to something that I have said or done, "That
 is so American."  But there are also many ways that he feels that I am not
 a typical American.  One comment that he made was that he was glad to have
 found someone who would appreciate his dowry, which consists of family
 heirlooms: linens, glass, etc...  I'm kind of old fashioned and I like old
 things I dislike ultramodern things.  Nikos also says that he owes my
 mother a debt in that he doesn't feel that I am as spoile as other Americans
 he has met.
    Well, I'm not sure if this clarifies things or not.  Perhaps it will at
 least get me out of the proverbial doghouse.

 Deborah
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