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From: idc@cs.hw.ac.uk (Ian Crorie)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Responding on 3 card majors
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:53:07 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland


[I've changed the Subject: line to something more meaningful]

In article <1993Jan8.234534.13864@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy) writes:
>In article <1ikmglINNcnv@transfer.stratus.com> tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill) writes:
[tim]
>>Bharat Rao suggests criss-cross forcing minor raises.  That sounds reasonable
>>if 1D-2C is not game forcing.  If 1D-2C is game forcing and 1D-3C is a diamond
>>raise, then how do you respond to 1D with Qxx,x,Jxx,AQTxxx?

[rudy]
>One spade.  What's the problem?

No smileys so I can only assume you're serious.

I've recently been playing an SA and 2over1 game forcing based system with
a partner from the colonies (:-) which has no forcing minor raises.

Twice now in a dozen sessions they have responded 1M with a 3 card holding:

    1C - 1H   with    Kx AKx Jxx AQTxx
	
    1D - 1H   with    xxx AKJ x JTxxxx

The first hand exposes the deficiences of the system, the 2nd seems a
normal 1NT.   Both times I've had 4 card support and both times we've
landed in the wrong contract (once getting away with it).   It *drives
me crazy*.

What do you bid with Qxx x Jxx AQTxxx after 1D - 1S - 3S ?   Sometimes
the 4-3 fit will be better than 3N so 4S will be o.k. but often it won't.

If these are departures from system then they are bad for partnership
trust and if they are system then 1m - 1M has to be alerted (and are
these legal anyway?).



-- 
        "When I started, flying was dangerous and sex was safe"
                - Aer Lingus pilot at his retirement party
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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: How many ways?
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:58:49 GMT

In article <1iufgjINNo1m@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk> mbrgw@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (R.G. Walters) writes:
>A slam hand from the Gold Cup.
>
>At adverse vulnerability, you hear LHO open 1 spade, and quickly find yourself
>bounced into this seven club contract:
		   ^^^^^^

>
>S  Q 7 6                    (Well, not quite - they chickened out of the
>H  K 9 8                     sacrifice and let us play in 6C)
>D  A Q 7 5 3
>C  K 8                       How do you play on a small diamond lead?
>
>S  -                         What about a low heart lead?
>H  A 7 6 5 4                 
>D  2                         Is there more than one way to play the hand?
>C  A Q J 10 4 3 2
>
Ah! An interesting hand. The only cards missing are the AK spades, QJT hearts
and K diamonds. [relevent cards, that is]
 
Are you asking how to play 6C or 7C?  I'll assume the latter first.

Even with the diamond finesse you only have 11 tricks. If diamonds
are 4-3 you can set up a 12th, but you will still need to find a 
squeeze against LHO. You must hope he has 3+ hearts, AK spades and Kxx or Kxxx
in diamonds. The latter are quite probable in view of the opening bid.

On a diamond lead, take the finesse, A diamonds, diamond ruff. Club
to dummy, diamond ruff high.
 
Run all the trumps, and cross to the K hearts, cash the diamond, leaving:

Q
x
-
-

-
Ax
-
-
 
If LHO had 3 hearts and AK spades he has been squeezed.

I don't see another line in 7C.

In 6C, you have two choices; play to set up the hearts, or play
to set up the diamonds, or some combination of both. I prefer the
latter.

Win A diamonds, diamond ruff. Club to board, diamond ruff. 
If K diamonds comes down, you have an easy 12 tricks, regardless of
hearts. Otherwise, draw trumps, and DUCK a heart. Now you make if
hearts are 3-2 or LHO started with 4 hearts [he gets squeezed once
more].
 
The alternative would be to take the diamond finesse. If it wins,
play as above. If it loses, you need to set up the 5th diamond
for your 11'th trick, and once again squeeze LHO for your 12th.
I think my first line is superior in 6C, but don't have
time to compute the percentages. Part of the computation would
require an estimate of how likely LHO is to hold the K diamonds,
given that he opened. This would require knowing whether they
only played sound openings, whether LHO could hold something that
looked like a top-heavy weak two bid and open 1S [do they play weak 2's?]
e.g.
AKJxxx
QJx
xxx
x

 
or similar.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: Bob S
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:47:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.155235.24897@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> reha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (reha.gur) writes:
:playing 2/1 GF (no inverted minors, limit raises in minors,
:invitational NT over minors (2N = 11-12, 3N = 13-15))
:
:MATCHPOINTS, vul vs not vul.
:partner opens 1d - pass to you:
:
:your hand: A x x / A K / K J x x / x x x x
:
What IS your minor forcing raise???

Whatever that bid is, I make it. If you don't have one then I would
say your methods have a defficiency.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
From: t18@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jerry Kowalski)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Search for bidding system source
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: t18@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jerry Kowalski)
Distribution: rec.games.bridge
Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands).

We play a system that we have not invented but we have not seen a
written description of it. Can anyone help us find the source of this
(or a similar) system?

The system is in all respects similar to the Precision System, except
for the following basic facts about openings (and their consequences, 
of course, which are quite complex):

(1) 1NT is 16-18 HCP rather than 13-15. The function of Precision 1NT
    is taken over by 1C.

(2) 2NT and 2D are weak (7-11 HCP). 2NT is for 5+/5+, both minor, and
    2D is for 5+/5+ (at least one of which major). The functions of
    Precision 2NT and 2D are taken over by 1C as well.

We found the resulting system rather nice (as we play it :->), but we 
would like to know what the entire system looks like `officially'.

Thank you -- L. Kalman, J. Kowalski
From: sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at (Petzi Schweda)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: C-sources for Bridge Program(s)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:57:50 GMT
Organization: MD-ADV, Vienna, Austria
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Originator: sca@gese0n.ge14.mdadv.gv.at


Has anybody written (or looted) a Bridge C-framework, say different bidding-routines, playing-routines, and so on ?
thanks ahead,
###################################################
Petzi Schweda (sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at)
MD-ADV, Municipality of the City of Vienna, Austria
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Arggggh!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:39:15 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Keywords: true, ouch

In article <1ihrntINN2eo@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk> mbrgw@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (R.G. Walters) writes:
|In article <1993Jan7.142424.12316@linus.mitre.org> bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:

|>In any event, this hand is fairly simple: You reopen with a double, showing
|>substantial extras and short spades. This is fairly standard. On most hands
|>partner will sit and you will beat 4S a trick or 2. On a few hands partner
|>will sit and 4S will make [when they have both red aces and one is in dummy
|>and dummy has a trump to finesse your K]. On a few hands partner will hold
|>a long weak suit when 4S makes and he will pull to 5 of that suit. On
|>balance it is clear that a reopening double is correct.

|Hold on. Shouldn't you really have 4 hearts for a double?
|(for those of you still reading/interested, the hand was

|Vul vs not          9
|                    A x x
|                    K Q 10 9 x
|                    A K Q 10 x             or similar).

|Aren't you asking for portner to try for that vulnerable heart game with
|four hearts? If not, please tell me why.

Because Bob's partners know how to play 4-3 fits when they're right.
On this auction you don't bid 5H with 9843 in hearts.  With, say,
xxx KQJx Jxx xxx 5H requires only a 4-2 heart split and no early
diamond ruff -- not too bad a bet even with the preempt.  True, 5D 
is a better contract, but if preempts didn't work nobody would use 
them.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Arggggh!
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:10:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.000906.19081@linus.mitre.org>, bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>In article <1ifn8mINNc5t@transfer.stratus.com> tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill) writes:
>:Dear Bob,
>:
>:     I'm sorry if you're having a bad day, but would you please stop wasting
>:network bandwidth with your flame thrower and offer us some of your wisdom
> 
>Why? Most of you don't listen anyway. See below.

As I have said before, my opinion is that if people aren't listening,
it's because of the way you say things.  However ignorant a person may
be before you start screaming, you sure aren't going to get them to open
up and think when you start ranting and flaming.  I have no real
disagreement with anything you've said in this thread, but I feel that
the manner in which you chose to say what you had to say was grossly
inappropriate.

I guess this just draws the line between people who are genuinely
interested in imparting their knowledge and wisdom, and those who just
get off on being loud and condescending.

-----
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
"Horror?  Steckle, it's ignorance we fear.  Since when did truth and
knowledge become a horror?"

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From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson)
Subject: Re: Bidding Opinions Sought
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:58:38 GMT

In article <1ihmfgINNhg2@transfer.stratus.com> Ken Koellner writes:

* IMPs, White/White, Dealer: West
* You sit South holding:
* 	s x
* 	h JTxx
* 	d KJxxxxx
* 	c x
* 
* The auction start out:
* 	W	N	E	S
* 	p	1NT	p	?
* 
* What's the best reponse?  
* What's the best way to proceed for each of the probable rebids by opener?

You want to play this hand in diamonds.
If you can bid 2D natural, that's my vote.
Otherwise, I'm getting to 3D somehow.

On this hand I'm not interested in finding out if partner has four hearts.
I *know* that there are at least two diamonds over there,
and that means we have a nine card fit.
Diamonds should play nicely.

Unless, of course, it's a Vienna 1N opening!!! :-)

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Bob S
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:00:21 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Keywords: FAQ

In article <1993Jan8.155235.24897@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, reha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (reha.gur) writes:
> playing 2/1 GF (no inverted minors, limit raises in minors,
> invitational NT over minors (2N = 11-12, 3N = 13-15))
> 
> MATCHPOINTS, vul vs not vul.
> partner opens 1d - pass to you:
> 
> your hand: A x x / A K / K J x x / x x x x
> 
> what is your bid? 

Is this a commercial for inverted minors?  I wish I could bid a forcing 2D
followed by 3N.  How else can I show a balanced 13-15 with stoppers AND good
diamond support, without going past 3N?

In this system, I have only two possible bids, 2C and 3N.  I think 3N is the
lesser of evils.  I do have a balanced 13-15 with no major.  If partner is
sufficiently strong and unbalanced for us to make six of a minor, he'll probably
bid over 3N.  If he doesn't bid over 3N, then we're probably in the best
matchpoint contract.  If we're not, blame our system!

If I respond 2C, then, whatever partner bids next, I'll have to rebid 3N.
I still won't be able to show my diamond support without risking going past
3N.  After 1D-2C-?-3N, partner has a worse picture of my hand then after
1D-3N.

Greg Lawler calls a system without a forcing minor raise "unplayable."
That's an overstatement.  For example, neither the ACBL Yellow Card system
nor the ACBL/Grant beginning bridge course has a forcing minor raise.  But
it does make it harder to bid some slams that depend on minor-suit fits.

Bharat Rao suggests criss-cross forcing minor raises.  That sounds reasonable
if 1D-2C is not game forcing.  If 1D-2C is game forcing and 1D-3C is a diamond
raise, then how do you respond to 1D with Qxx,x,Jxx,AQTxxx?

-- 
Tim Hill
Stratus Computer, Inc.                  tnh@vos.stratus.com
55 Fairbanks Boulevard                  508-460-2232
Marlborough, MA  01752                  fax 508-624-7488
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From: davidm@questor.Rational.COM (David Moore)
Subject: Re: Reading List?
Keywords: books
Organization: Rational
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:02:07 GMT

tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill) writes:

>However, it's crucial for a novice to grasp the fundamentals of standard
>bidding before becoming confused by umpteen other systems. 

I agree entirely. However, I do not like Root's "Commonsense Bidding" as
an introductory text. It deviates from what I consider standard
(for example, opening hands containing a 5 card
major 1NT and strengthening 2/1 responses so as to be stronger than
"standard" but not as strong as 2/1). I seem to recall too, that it
treats 2D/H/S over 1NT as natural rather than Jacoby, which is a very
unusual use of these bids these days, and is certainly going to
confuse the learner the first time they sit down to play.

I don't find the writing enormously clear either.

So, has anybody another suggestion for a good introductory text 
on Standard American (5 card majors, limit raises, strong NT,
weak two's) as played today? 

It should start from basic principles, working in the same direction 
that you do at the table - from hands to bids (instead of requiring
the reader to "invert" the information), since the first problem the beginner
has is what bid to make - understanding the inferences of other players
bids comes with experience. It should also contain review sections and
quiz sections for each chapter, like Goren's books used to. 

It would be nice, too, if it taught good hand evaluation. 

I would like a copy of such a book for my library, and I would
like something I could recommend to friends taking up the game.
From: paul@sco.COM (Paul Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Preemptive jump shifts
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:47:55 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <C0KFDq.Bts@irvine.com> adam@irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) writes:
>
>A couple of posters lately have said they use 1D-2S as a forcing raise
>in diamonds, forgoing the preemptive jump shift in that case.  This
>raises a question that I'm really interested in hearing about.  Does
>the net think that preemptive jump shifts (with no interference) are
>useful?  Why or why not?
>

I think that they are quite useful but the main benefit comes from when they
are NOT made as opposed to when they are made. When playing preemptive jump
shifts the auction (opponents passing throughout) 1H - 1S - 2H - 2S becomes
much better defined (exactly to what is a matter of partnership
understanding) as a preemptive jump shift was NOT made.
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From: reha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (reha.gur)
Subject: Dr. Roth
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:50:22 GMT


Has anybody read his "Picture Bidding" book?  I recently have
and I have a question: 

	Is Roth senile? Or is he such a great genious that what is in the
	book will be standard 20 years from now?

I won't quote from the book but I did not agree with 80% of the book.
The examples also looked "candied" up to put his ideas in the best light.

So should I study this book and be ready for the coming revolution or throw it
in the trash?

reha gur
From: tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Arggggh!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:42:30 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Keywords: true, ouch

Dear Bob,

     I'm sorry if you're having a bad day, but would you please stop wasting
network bandwidth with your flame thrower and offer us some of your wisdom
on the subject Robin raised?

     Playing your favorite methods with your favorite partner, if you open
2C in third seat (Chicago, they're vulnerable with 60 on) and LHO overcalls 4S,
what are your partner's options?  In particular, what would pass, double, and
4NT mean?

     If your partner and RHO pass, what would you call with:

     9
     KQT
     KQJ98
     AKQ2

How 'bout with:

     K4
     A62
     A
     AKQJ743

(You would open both these hands with 2C, wouldn't you?)

     Thank you!

                                    Regards,

                                    Tim
-- 
Tim Hill
Stratus Computer, Inc.                  tnh@vos.stratus.com
55 Fairbanks Boulevard                  508-460-2232
Marlborough, MA  01752                  fax 508-624-7488
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From: flo7@ellis.uchicago.edu (erik b flom)
Subject: Beginner's Books.
Reply-To: flo7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:41:32 GMT

To answer the initally posted question, I would like to recommend
Root and Pavlicek to the beginner, with the understanding that you
only read the explainations of those things that you already play.

The explainations of simple conventions such as Stayman, Jacoby
Transfers, and so on are complete, including whether the conventions
are on in competition, what to do if the conventional call is 
overcalled or doubled, and so on.  The explainations are also
clearly outlined.  Many of the one-star conventions will already
be in use by a beginner, but incompletely understood, and I think
that the fullness of the explainations by Root and Pavlicek are
best suited to the beginner.

I think that there are a number of books that you might want to
read for whatever reasons, so let me break down my recommendations
by topic.

1) General Introductory Books
   Five Weeks to Winning Bridge by Sheinwold
   Basic Bridge in Three Weeks by Truscott

2) Bidding Books
   Commonsense Bidding by Root

3) Play of the Hand
   Play of the Hand by Watson
   How to Play a Bridge Hand by Root
   Introduction to Declarer's Play (for the true novice.)

4) Defense
   Introduction to Defender's Play

5) Other
   Judgement at Bridge by Lawrence (mostly about takeout doubles)
   The Modern Losing Trick Count by Klinger (suit contract hand evaluation)
   The Secrets of Winning Bridge by Reubens (a lot of qualitative things)

Mike Lawrence also has two series of "Topics on Bridge".  I think that they
are targeted to intermediate players, but about half of the books would be
just as good for novices.  I just got the second series at a Tournament, and
the second set is just as good as the first. 

If I was starting a friend with bridge, I would try to get him to get:"

Commonsense Bidding
Introduction to Declarer's Play and
Introduction to Defender's Play.

If you want to start with one book for less than $10, then 
Five Weeks to Winning Bridge is the way to go.

Erik B. Flom
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Subject: Re: Yet another place the blame.
From: avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:21:48 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers) writes:
: Vulnerability: Unknown.  Imps, West dealer.
:
: The hands:
:
: W) Qx,Qxx,KJx,Kxxxx
: N) AJxx,xxx,Qxxxx,J
: E) x,AKJx,Axxx,Axxx
: S) Kxxxxx,xxx,x,Qxx
:
: The auction:
:
:      1D (1) - 1S (!) - X - 2S
:      3C     - P      - 3S - P
:      4C     - P      - 6C (all pass)
:
: (1) EW are playing Precision, and require a four card major in order to
: open 2C when holding only 5 clubs.  Thus, the diamond opening frequently
: contains better clubs than diamonds.
:
Although precision allows 11HCP openings, it does not mean that any 11 HCP
hand should be opened. In General, the Milton Work point count overestimates
the value of Q's and J's and underestimates the value of Aces. It is therefore
standard practice to correct the count by substructing a point for no Aces
and also for unprotected honor cards, such as a singleton K, doubleton Q etc.
This hand evaluates to about 9-10 DHP's and should not be opened, even
in Precision.  This is particularly true when the opening bid is ambiguous,
as the 1D opening is.

If you follow CC Wei's original precision, you don't have an openning bid
for balanced 11-12 HCP hands, which can be opened only if they contain a
5 card major or a 4 card diamond suit.

Obviously you allow a 3 card diamond suit opening, but still it is a good
idea to pass balanced 11-12 HCP hands, unless you hold something like:
xx, xxx, Axx, AKxxx; same distribution, same HCP, as your hand but
a sound opening in any system.

It is obvious from my discussion that I blame W for this bad result.
NS bidding had nothing to do with it.

Avi

--
Aviel Roy-Shapira, M.D.         Ben-Gurion University Medical School
Dept. of Surgery A.             POB 151, Beer Sheva, Israel
avir@chen.bgu.ac.il             AVIR@BGUVM.BITNET
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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: Arggggh!
Keywords: true, ouch
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:33:08 GMT

In article <1ielb9INNq9c@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk> mbrgw@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (R.G. Walters) writes:

stuff deleted....
>S  -                    You open 1NT (20+, any shape), and LHO leaps in
>H  K Q T                with 4S, passed round to you.
>D  K Q J 9 8
>C  A K Q 2              Pick a bid.
>

This hand only has 12 cards.

Your asking what to bid is a ridiculous question. You have not told
us what system you are playing, what your methods are, what options were
available to partner over 4S, what partner's pass actually shows, or
what your rebids show.  Under these circumstances your question is
meaningless.

I wish people would stop posing these kinds of ridiculous problems
that are HIGHLY system-dependent without also revealing their methods.
Your post is a waste of the reader's time and of net bandwidth.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
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From: adam@irvine.com (Adam Beneschan)
Subject: Preemptive jump shifts
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:39:26 GMT


A couple of posters lately have said they use 1D-2S as a forcing raise
in diamonds, forgoing the preemptive jump shift in that case.  This
raises a question that I'm really interested in hearing about.  Does
the net think that preemptive jump shifts (with no interference) are
useful?  Why or why not?

In my partnerships, I play that jump shifts are preemptive;  the only
exception is 1M-3C by a passed hand (where 2C is reverse Drury).
However, I'm not convinced of their usefulness.  They haven't come up
very often, and when they do, the result is often our side going down
too much.  (This could just be bad bidding judgment on our part,
though.)  My gut feeling is that preemptive jump shifts to 2 of a
major might be useful but higher bids get you too high, and perhaps
you give up too much by giving up a strong jump shift or other uses of
the jump shift.

I'd appreciate any opinions anyone has on the subject.  E-mail is
welcome;  I'll post a summary of whatever E-mail I get.  Thanks!

                                -- Adam
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