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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: 54 Re: Rank Structure (was Re: Uniform Colors...)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:15:57 GMT

S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
: ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
: In <1993Jan4.170136@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (
: 
: > Commodore is a old war-time rank, no longer used, but its rank-level
: > is probably right.
: 
: The US Navy brought the rank back a few years ago, then got rid of
: it again a few years after that.  All you can say is, it goes in
: and out of fashion.
: 
: > There are 2 Rear Admiral ranks instead - Lower Half and Upper Half.
: > What that Lower/Upper stuff means, I dunno.
: 
: Seniority.
: ------------------------End of Text--------------------------------------------
: 
: Rear Admiral (Lower Half) and Commodore are equivlent on pay scales.
: I don't know about the seniority, but I would assume that a RA(LH)
: is one step above a Commodore.Promotion to Commodore (at least in
: WWII) was a staff promotion.  In other words, it was a way to promote
: someone above captain, and into a general planning positioneven if
: they didn't (by years) deserve promotion to admiral.  Also an
: honorary promotion upon retirement for some awards.
: 
: Question:  Are FleetCaptain and Commodore equivilent ranks?
: 

:                                              -=Road Warrior=-

I have also heard of the term Post Captain (used in England much like the
term Number One for the Executive Officer. Anyone know just where a Post
Captain  fit in the hierarchy?

p michals
From: novanet@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:07:43 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Yes, Haven was pretty good, but had it been shot in the sixth or fifth season,
(the two favourite seasons of mine) it would have been better. Still, I 
liked the plot, and the dinner scene.


"Oh, no. Bleeeeeeez no!" 
			Lt. Troi, Haven
Just my signoff quote,
ALF
From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoC Hype.
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:57:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes) writes:
: In <1993Jan9.002648.26954@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
: 
: > In article <930108.155343@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk> HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod)) writes:
: > >
: > >Doesn't anyone else agree that CoC is the most hyped (and not
: > >very good)  episode ever concocted ??
: > 
: > Absolutely NOT.  Both CoC1 and CoC2 were excellent episodes (CoC2 being the
: > better of the two).  I think Patrick Stewart deserves an emmy, or at the
: > very least, a nomination, for the second part.
: > 
: Anybody remember Stewart's performance in "Sarek"?  That should have gotten an
: Emmy
: comments?
: 
: --Danny Barnes

Forget the Emmy. He should have at least been nominated for a Golden Globe
for 'Inner Light' last season. The nominations were just released and he was
not. :(.

paul m.
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From: jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:57:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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John R Cogar (cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil) wrote:

: Can anyone name a superior officer (i.e. Admiral) from the original series
: who was a woman?  Captain of a ship? A Commander maybe?  I can't.

Can't recall the name or episode just now, but one show in ST:TOS
featured a Starfleet attorney who was a woman (and presumably an officer).

Also, in "The Cage" (the pilot for ST:TOS), the redoubtable Majel
Barrett played the Enterprise's first officer -- that was back in
1965-66!  I would assume that "Number One" would have to hold the rank
of commander, at least.

Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
(that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
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From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:46:54 GMT

Edward V. Wright writes
> In <1993Jan4.153226.15636@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu  
(Daniel Brown) writes:
> 
> >I was under the impression that Babylon 5 wasn't a series but a TV movie.
> >Can anyone confirm or deny this?
> 
> TV Guide agrees with you.
> 

OK, so when does it air?  San Diego or LA area.
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From: tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Organization: Northern Telecom, Network Applications Systems, Rochester, NY
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:30:32 GMT

In article <73294@cup.portal.com> BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart
Thorn) writes:
(in reference to a comment I made in a previous article)
>>BTW, if the Borg could carve up the fleet like that, how come when the
>>Enterprise did the separation (in "Best of Both Worlds Part II") they
>>didn't just take out the two pieces?  Are the Enterprise crew that
>>much better than the whole fleet?
>
>     Probably because Riker's antimatter spread kept them guessing, and
>     then their tactics planner (Locutus) was kidnapped by Data and Worf.

I cannot buy this.  The only comment that sort-of made sense was the person
who said that the Enterprise had Shelby, the Borg expert on board, but
even that seems, at best, a poor rationalization.

Problems with this analysis:

1) Even with an antimatter spread, you can still see the ship.
2) Do you think that the "modulating the shield frequency" idea
   WASN'T sent to the fleet so they could do it?  Since the Admiral
   felt he could tell the Enterprise that they were grouping at Wolf
   359 then they probably could have told them "remember to modulate
   your shield frequencies" as well.
3) The Borg are a combined consciousness.  They only wanted Locutus to
   be a mouthpiece and to show humanity that they were destined to be
   assimilated.  He was the Borg equivalent of an intelligent I/O
   device.  I don't recall his duties including tactics, although I'm
   sure he was of some help to them, between his knowledge of
   starfleet, various ships in the fleet, their capabilities, information
   about some of the commanders, etc., but the Borg seemed quite
   capable of doing what they wanted to without him.  Including
   figuring out an antimatter spread or shield frequency modulations.
   
>     Geez, how long has it been since you saw TBOBW?

Very recently, thank you.  Part one was excellent, part two was good
but with some major holes, such as the one we're discussing here.
--
Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW
tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf, tvf@cs.rit.edu
Mandlebratwurst: The Meal that Eats Itself!
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From: choffman@adobe.com (Charles Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:52:13 GMT

In article <C0Iqwx.CGr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes:
>I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
>What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
>reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
>they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
>must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.
>
>It reminds me of what a favorite author of mine once said,
>and I paraphrase,"Why should women have to become like
>men to get what men get simply because they ARE men?"
>
>Know what I'm saying?
>
>-Dawn
>
Actually this is quite the reverse.

Sir, Sire and Mister (My Sire) are all titles of respect that were originaly
given only to the greatest of Feudal lords. Ma'am is a shortening of My Dame 
(My Lady), a title that is clearly sexist as it acknowledges no position or
responisbility other than being a woman.  

I believe (those with more historical knowledge than I can feel free to 
correct me) that many of the ruling women of the middle ages never used 
My Lady, but prefered the honorifics Your Grace, Your Highness, etc.  
This was to avoid any question that they were mere figureheads, and to
reinforce their position. These honorifics were the same ones that were 
also used by male rulers.

I view the Star Trek custom of calling all officers Sir and Mister to be a
good one.  

Charles Hoffman
choffman@adobe.com

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From: Malcolm Pradhan <pradhan@camis.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A773B9C2A801005C@hoskins-kfps-dynamic.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 07:07:46 GMT
Organization: Medical Informatics, Stanford University
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 07:06:05 GMT

In article <8JAN199312070921@csa2.lbl.gov> SCOTT I CHASE,
sichase@csa2.lbl.gov writes:
>It bothers me that moving the worm requires surgery.  You would think
that
>if the sybiosis evolved over eons, prior to the technologization of the
>hosts' society, that the worm would just eat it's way in and out of the
>hosts. Or perhaps something funky would happen during host intercourse,
>requiring the worm to move from male to female to male...

 Passing a trill per urethra! Even worse - going the other way! Gross,
worse than Alien! DS9 is supposed to be more gritty than TNG but you
want people to keep their dinner down.

 The only "grittiness" I detected during the show, however, was O'Brien
saying "Bloody Cardassians" when he had to fix something during the
attack. I don't recall hearing more than a "damn" in TNG.

 Regards,
 Malcolm
--------------------------------------------
Malcolm Pradhan
Section on Medical Informatics
MSOB X-215, Stanford University, CA, 94305
pradhan@camis.stanford.edu  (415) 725-3398
From: cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 65 Use of "sir"
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:52:58 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
>>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>>specific instances.
>>
>>

>I don't ever recall this in TOS, but then the only female officer was
>Uhura (unless you count nurse Chapel) and Kirk usually refered to her
>as Uhura or Lieutenant.  However, in STII:TWOK I specifically remember
>Kirk refering to Kirstie Alley's charater as "Mr. Saavik".
>This is typical, as the male gender is (supposed to be) always employed
>in military lingo.

>BTW, does anyone notice how often Kirk calls on Spock to perform the
>Vulcan Mind Meld in TOS?  It seemed like something very personal, but
>Kirk was always pulling this "Spock, get down here.  I need a mind meld"
>like he was asking for a cheeseburger.  Jeez.

>                                        -=Road Warrior=-

Almost right on the use of sir--the navy (by tradition) still addresses
women as 'sir' (the Army and Air Force use the more logical "ma'am") which
Star Trek holds true to since it is a "navy".

Kirk always got what he wanted--he never had to beg! After all, he was
James T. Kirk ("a swaggering, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood").

-CARY
From: Kendall.Gray@bridge.omahug.org (Kendall Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoCII and _Closet Land_
Date: 04 Jan 93 03:50:00 CST
Reply-To: kendall.gray@bridge.omahug.org
Organization: The Bridge, Bellevue, Ne
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

Absolutely agree on similarity between CoC and "Closet Land." The 
attitudes of the two torturers, the methods used-friendliness followed 
by violence, the offers of priveldges and freedoms- very similar. 
Especially drawn by the way the Cardassian manipulated Picard into 
remaining in the torture area with him.. Made him his partner in the 
thing, actually... Far too many points of comparison to Closet Land.
A lot of Trek seems to be a watery version of something else- ever 
notice? I'm wondering how often they get sued/stung for that. ( 
remember the two writers who sued Nimoy and Meyer for swiping the STVI 
idea and claiming it as their own? ) Finally.. I too would reccomend 
"CLoset Land" for anyone who wants to see what the episode might have 
been.. But I would add that it gets fairly nasty. No graphic violence, 
in the Arnomovie sense.. But very violent ideas. The movie resonates 
for days after being seen
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:21:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <43124@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> dlou@ece.ucsd.edu writes:
>

>Perhaps Riker didn't just want any Galaxy class ship but rather
>the Enterprise specifically.  A ship is not just a hunk of matter and
>anti-matter; what makes it great (as ST writers want us to believe)
>is the crew too.

Or perhaps Riker just doesn't want a command (*gasp*).  He's got a lot of
friends on the big E, friends that he doesn't want to leave behind because
of a job.  A lot of people have said that he's hurting his career by not
accepting command.  Maybe, just maybe, he doesn't care about his career
as much as some of the net.readers?

The man is already a Commander (and at an early age), maybe he's gotten
what he wanted out of Star Fleet life.  Now he just wants to enjoy the
company of friends.  Maybe, later, he'll try to continue with his career,
but for now he's happy where he is.  I'd do the same thing if I were him.

-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "I want you to remember, Clark... in all
Georgia Institute of Technology  |  the years to come, in your most private
Office of Information Technology |  moments...my hand at your throat.  I want
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."
From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:34:15 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <1iep15INNdag@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>If anyone involved in DS9 production is monitoring, please read this.
>
>Minor spoiler ahead:
>
>
>
>Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
>I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
>should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.
>I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
>duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
>be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
>against the wall).

I haven't seen DSN yet, but this Odo's shape shifting reminds me
of Mara(sp?) in Space 1999. Will DS9 merely be a souped up version of
it?

*** Notice how I've used DS9&DSN. Hope it satifies everyone. :)
-- 
Ellison Chan, Comp. Sys. Analyst               2350 Place TransCanadienne
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From: jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:37:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Michael Rawdon (rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu) wrote:

: How would you feel with
: a Marilyn Quayle or Phyllis Schlafly in command of the Enterprise?

Marilyn has her hands full running Danny's life for him.  And Phyllis
lost contact with reality in November 1964.

Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
(that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:28:53 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1ihrv6INNrmp@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek) writes:

>	I see that as a PRINCIPLED woman. As in, give me freedom or give me
>death. As in, if you don't make the threat, you get trashed anyway with the
>real possibility of the Cardassians going on to the planet and reinvading.

Bwahahahahaaa!!!  "Give me liberty or give me death!" is all well and good.
But you don't get to make that choice for me, and one person shouldn't get
to make that choice for everyone there.  This isn't a starship, where they're
"out exploring the unknown" and they are *knowingly* putting their lives
at risk.  This station has a lot of civilians on it, people who don't give
a s**t about fighting the Cardassians and who certainly aren't willing to
die, even for one PRINCIPLED woman.

Your principles are your business, don't drag me down because of them.

As for the Cardassians going on to the planet and reinvading:  Why?  There's
nothing left on that planet of any use for them.  They've stripped it
clean.  They don't need the planet anymore.

-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "I want you to remember, Clark... in all
Georgia Institute of Technology  |  the years to come, in your most private
Office of Information Technology |  moments...my hand at your throat.  I want
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."
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From: nntas@decwks.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Tim A Sauerwein)
Subject: Whoopi Goldberg
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:38:39 GMT


I know this is late but I just noticed that Leonard Nemoy is the guest on
Whoopi Goldberg's show 1/8/92.  Might be worth watching.

TS
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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:34:31 GMT

JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
: >2) From the viewpoint of the production staff; Stewart wants to expand his
: >  acting ability in other venues but still wants to keep his hand in Star Trek
: >  This scenario allows him to *star* in a half dozen or so episodes while
: >  freeing up his time to do other things. It also lets Frakes to continue
: >  with the show. Without a promotion the believability of his character is
: >  becoming precarious. The writers also need to be able to develope their
: >  characters by having them face greater responsibilities and challenges as
: >  do real life people.
: >
: >Anyway just my idea on how TNG can solve some of it's developmental problems
: >if the show is to continue through seasons 7 & 8.
: >
: >paul m.
: >
: Another solution is to broaden the venue of ST:TNG to include more starships
: than just the Enterprise.  Let Picard remain captain of the Big E and promote
: Riker to captain another ship (and bring some of the crew with him).  Then
: Stewart can be in the shows that feature the E and Frakes can be in the rest.
: Riker's ship could have a different mission than the E, perhaps on the
: fringe of the galaxy and dealing with more varied and, maybe, more dangerous
: species and interacting occasionally with DS9.

You bring up an interesting point (and perhaps a long term solution if
Paramount wants to keep TNG going-and I'm sure they do). I can see TNG
evolving into a sort of anthology series where we see Federation life from
many different perspectives. The only caveat is that people generally like
to follow specific characters week after week so they would have to be careful
not to introduce too many elements. Definitely something to think about.

paul m.
From: 01lucas@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:28:47 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <ewright.726170052@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> In <1993Jan4.153226.15636@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
> 
>>I was under the impression that Babylon 5 wasn't a series but a TV movie.
>>Can anyone confirm or deny this?
> 
> TV Guide agrees with you.
> 

B5 is just a TV movie, for now.  It is being sindicated by the Prime Time 
Entertainment Network (owned and run by Warner) and if the movie does well it 
will be expanded into a series, possibly for fall '93.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 in Philadelphia
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:31:01 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan5.113851.11864@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
<Okay, we just got the premier, and it was nice, but they never said when it
<would be showing on a weekly basis.  Anyone know?

Call the station and ask.  Is that so hard?
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From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:33:58 GMT

In article <1iaalpINNqs9@news.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) 
writes:
> As far as I can tell, as of now no fox stations in my area are carrying 
DS9

The Fox channelin Washington, Channel 5, does not carry TNG; only Channel 
20, a Paramount station, carries TNG (as well as DS9).

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