From: sdstpk@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Stephen D Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Why Vote for Bush?
Date: 11 Apr 1992 19:49:47 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
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In article <s7j03INN9sc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes:
>grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer ) writes:
>
>OH NO!  GRENDEL HAS FOUND A NATIONAL NEWSGROUP!
>
Yes Davis.  You haven't attained that all-powerful position of international
dictator yet, so you have no grounds for calling my presence here a
violation of your Constitutional rights.  By the way, I appreciate your
willingness to acknowledge my heritage, but 'Grendel' is a character in an
epic, not my name.
 
>
>With this message, I hope to keep some of you out there in the land we
>call Distribution: usa, away from some of the campus drivel this person
>(Steve Spencer) is used to.  If you know what's good for you, don't
>encourage him.  He'll just say "verily" and think everything's better.
>[blah blah blah] 

Yes folks.  Gaze upon this finely wrought piece of rhetoric and see into the
mind of a hypocrit... (he'll just say 'blah blah blah' and think everything's
better)
>
>Thankfully I don't.  I think this has to be one of the dumbest
>arguments I have ever heard in my life.  On one side you have morally
>constipated snobs, and on the other side you have what you would call
>"misguided leftists".  I just wish the whole issue would go away.  I
>like what Perot has to say on this issue:  "I think this is the woman's
>decision.  God knows what kind of demonstrations I'll have outside my
>office now."

Of course not, Davis.  You are the most equitable, fair-minded individual
when it comes to sizing up politlcal issues and making morality (or lack of)
decisions for this country.  The more you talk about an issue, the more it
proliferates.  For someone who wants it to go away, you talk about it too
much.
>
>>2) the Missiouri senate doesn't [support gun control]
>
>Yeah so?  I see you just subscribed to this newsgroup so you could
>reply to one of my posts.  You obviously haven't been following the
>discussion and you obviously don't have anything positive to lend to
>the conversation.  Why don't you just go away, gendel?  Go do someone's
>homework for them or spend a few hours asshole-proofing your X
>display.

Actually I have. He was originally speaking about Bush and his politics. 
Now you're talking about Parrot and his politics.  What's obvious is that 
you get puffy and bloated (hi Jerry :) when someone contradicts your poorly
thought-out political positions.  For someone who is so worried about content,
you embed quite a few personal attacks...

>Again, you have demonstrated your total lack of knowledge and awareness
>on this issue. 

Of course...
 
>The issue here is not about ignoring the dangers of
>drug abuse, but the METHOD our government uses to reduce drug abuse.

Oh.  Forgive me.  I forgot.  You also espouse that the abortion issue is
totally about choice and that anyone who mentions "life" is completly off
the subject...

>Right now we have what I can a "War on Some Drugs".  Grendel, go into
>my docs directory and read Drugs.txt.  This will explain why I am
>opposed to this war.  

Okay.  I read your little text file.  Doesn't say where it gets the 
statistics, but that's beside the point.  In all actuality, it explains
very little.  I think, perhaps, that it has more to do with your feelings
of what should be considered "freedom" (ie: freedom to get stoned)

>To stop the violence... to stop the killing, we
>have to stop the profit incentive.  Otherwise, if things keep going the
>way they are, 50% of the population will be in prison by 2050.  The
>WoSD is costly, racist, violent, and isn't doing what our government
>said it would.  Do you wish to perpetuate it?  Change it?  Eliminate
>it?

Of course you are unfamiliar with the supply and demand curve.  Has something
to do with those that have always making money on what they are selling when
there is a demand for it.  If the prices come down on drugs due to 
legalization, people will still buy them... just in larger quantities.  If
an addict has no money and you have drugs that he wants, it doesn't matter
if they are being sold for $10/ounce or $10,000/ounce.  He will find the
money.  It still might involve killing.  You have no statistics to prove
that those that will continue to die will not number the same as those that
are dying under the current laws.
>
>>5) Perhaps if all the activists in this nation pooled their money they could
>>   fund some rehab programs or build housing (not shelters) for the homeless
>>   or maybe even feed a couple of them... crazy idea huh?  Maybe stop waiting
>>   for the government to hand it to you on a plate... just another crazy 
>>   idea...
>>
>
>We've tried it, Mr. Spencer.  But it's illegal to rehabilitate drug
>users.  Did you know that?  Our government has torn down homeless
>shelters.  Squatting is illegal in this country.  It's hard to get
>something done with the Federal government telling you that you can't
>do it.

Have you really?  When was the last time you bought a homeless person a meal?
When was the last time you sat down with the guy down the street and showed
concern for his well-being?  When have you joined a group (or at least 
donated to such a cause) that is involved with rebuilding neighborhoods?
Government shelters are a joke.  Not to say that some people in the government
don't care, but the government as a whole doesn't.  Its not a socialist
system so its not setup to care.  
 
>>'Cmon strat... everyone knows that any leftist that makes over $15,000 a 
>>year is only in it for the publicity... (shhhh... don't tell anyone that
>>Parrot is a capitalist until after the elections!)
>>>
>
>Steve, you ignorant jerk.  If the closest thing you have to political
>etc. etc. etc...

This isn't ksu.talk.drivel, Davis.  This isn't even ksu.talk.misc.  This 
isn't even the 3rd floor of Marlatt hall.  There are no support groups
for people with leftist tendancies here; just people voicing their 
opinions.  If this is something you can't handle...

"do the whole world a favor and get out of this
newsgroup.  USENET is not here to be your personal toy."

>You can not
>waltz in here, looking for trouble, and spew this kind of ignorant
>bilge and expect anyone to take you seriously.

In where, Davis?  Where are we?  I'm at home.  Where are you?  I didn't
have to waltz anywhere.  I can sit in the comfort of the wonderful plastic
chair the college housing authority has given me and point out the 
idiocy of your postings.  

>the USA has more prisoners per capita than South Afirca, Iraq, or CHINA!

Of course we do.  Now if we just killed off our prisoners like the said 
countries...

-Steve Spencer



-- 
I hold the world but as the world, Gratiano--a stage, where every man must play
a part, and mine a sad one.
       -Merchant of Venice I.i.77
               grendel@cis.ksu.edu            sdstpk@matt.ksu.edu
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