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From: ied1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ingrid de Beus)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Reply-To: ied1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:15:08 GMT

Somebody mentioned the Danny Boy sequence with the infinite tommy-gun
of doom, from Miller's Crossing.  I would like to add to the list of
great shots the sequences of black fedora shots in the same film.  The
best of these is the sequence in the woods, in my opinion.  The pacing
is exquisite, the mood inevitable, and *still* the outcome is a surprise.
I don't how the Coen brothers do it.  

While I'm on the topic, the shot in Raising Arizona, when the car is 
racing down the street towards the Huggies (tm) on the diving line, has
got to be one of the all-time toppers of cinematic fun.  whatta catch.

just my two cents..




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Ingrid Elvire Maria de Beus			there is no god
ied1@midway.uchicago.edu			only greed,dung,and lies
oracle@usite-next.uchicago.edu			you've got no soul     
eyes of green smoke and hair of gold		only rips in your eyes
From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Maddening Movie
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:42:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Steve Masticola writes:

>Here's a new topic: which movie made you the angriest? For whatever
>reason.                                                                  
                                                  
>In nomination:                             
                                                                       
>"Time to Run," a propaganda film courtesy the Billy Graham crusade
>that was somehow allowed into the theaters in the early seventies. If
>the movie's just lousy, it's one thing, but if it's actively trying to
>proselytize, it's another.                      
                                    
>I had no idea what was going on when I went into the theater, and
>didn't until the last ten minutes in the film, when there was an
>ON-SCREEN solicitation to join the long-haired friends of Jesus in the
>chartreuse microbus.                              
                                           
>I hate paying for commercials; it's against my religion.
                                                               
>- Steve "and I paid to see it too!" masticol@cs.rutgers.edu.


>P.S. Graham's teeth are whiter than is naturally possible, and he
>smiles with all the sincerity of a used-Yugo salesman.

>P.P.S. I'm pro-choice and I vote. Usually several times each election.

>P.P.P.S. Flames from the bible thumpers will be returned one character
>at a time, after expansion with /usr/5bin/banner and with /etc/termcap
>pre-and-post appended.

I'll refrain from taking your post and beginning a thread
which doesn't belong on this newsgroup (although it's
tempting). 

Don't you realize the many films out today do attempt to
proselytize, and can also be labelled "propaganda"? The
difference is, however, that the messages and ideals
portrayed in many of today's films are most likely
in line with your own convictions, so you don't notice.
I could cite countless examples, but at the risk of
starting a flame war I'll refrain (for the moment :)).


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu

P.S. Your post seems to show a general intolerance and contempt
for those who don't conform to your beliefs (or lack thereof), but
all the same I would appreciate it if you don't return this post
to me one character at a time. Thank you.
-- 
"If we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto,
 We'll just be bogus, too."-- Dr. Jeff Spicolli
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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug28.191312.23885@bnr.ca>
	<1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
	<1992Sep1.151957.5839@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:49:23 GMT

Tron.  My wife and I saw it, on a double date with another couple.
How dumb can a movie get...

-Joe.
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From: gee@col.hp.com (Ken Gee)
Subject: Re: erotic movies
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:52:15 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

>Yes, one from Penthouse "Caligula" and another that might not
>be on video "Can Hermonous Merkin forget ... and find true happiness"
>Funny movie though today it might be only R rated was in 1971 XXX.

	The second movie is "Can Hieronimus Merkin forget Mercy Hump and
find true happiness."  It was an autobiographical movie of sorts directed
by Anthony Newley starring himself and his (then) wife, Joan Collins.  
Mercy Hump, if I remember correctly, was played by a Playboy centerfold named
Connie Kreski.  I saw the film in a legimate movie house, so I doubt that it
was ever rated XXX.  I probably haven't had a thought about this movie in
the last 20 years, so thanks for jogging my memory.

Ken
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:40:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug26.212921.8475@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:

>I think this is the real problem, not the scenes themselves.  Since some
>parents don't seem to show good judgement, I think they really need a minimum
>age for R movies (maybe 13 or so), regardless of whether the child is escorted.

I disagree.  Well, I agree that the problem is the parent, but I don't think
there should be a minimum age, regardless of whether the child is escorted.

That responsibilty is solely that of the parent.  If the parent can't show
good judgement, that's too bad.  The law has no place telling parents what
their children are and are not allowed to see (at least, not in this
country......yet).


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From: merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: The Potion with the Poison...
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:14:04 GMT


The lines from The Court Jester are:

    The chalice from the palace has the pellet with the poison
    The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true

After Danny Kaye manages to get this straight, the chalice is
broken accidentally, and it becomes:

    The vessel with the pestle has the pellet with the poison
    The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true

At least, that's how *I* remember it...

---
Merlyn LeRoy
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Army of Darkness (aka MidEvil Dead aka Evil Dead III) release date?
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:29:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <x4cn=bl@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes...
>stantz@sierra.corp.sgi.com (Mark Stantz) writes:
>> Any word on when/if Army of Darkness will be opening yet?
>I hate to say it, but don't look for it 'til next year.  Bruce Campbell and
>the AoD marketing forces were at the San Diego Comic Con a few weeks back and
>passed along the bad news -- apparently the nonsense between Universal and
>DEG is flaring up again.

I heard in early August that the date is going to be late Sept./early Aug.
What happened? Did Hannibal eat the film?

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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Subject: Re: violence in movies
Summary:  When is too much?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: sex, violence
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:17:29 GMT

In article <Bto548.KsI@news.udel.edu>, bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams) writes...

> My question to the apologists is:  Is there any amount of
>screen sex or violence that you think would be going too far?  How about a
>very explicit and realistic scene of a very young child being tortured, and
>then raped, and then being sliced up into small pieces and pushed down a
>garbage disposal? 

The point is that it shouldn't be up to an apologist or abolitionist to
decide the answer to that question.  There are certainly things that
would be the cause of great pain etc for me, so I would avoid them and
keep my kids away from it, until they were old enough etc.

> After all, we all "know" this is only a film.  So what's
>the problem?  The problem is that there are still some sensitive people in
>this world,

That was just MY point.  Regardless of the belief that screen sex and violence
numbs us, people are still affected by it.  My point is that we are not 
numbed by it, as someone else had suggested.

>Do you think there can be a point where things have gone too far?  If you do,
>then you are basically agreeing with the original poster.  You just don't
>think they have gone too far "yet".  

I don't think things can ever go too far, I think that I have my own personal
limits surely (maybe we all do), but what difference does that make and what 
does it mean?  Think of the disgusting newsreel images of Nazi concentration camp
_survivors_ and the mounds of dead, the shuttle explosion, the butchered 
nuns and priests in South America, the starving infants with distended stomachs
from Africa, the bullet-riddled bodies of gangsters, the Time photo of
the burned nude girl running down the road in Viet Nam, the horribly mutated
farm animals near Chernobyl - I can go on forever.  These things were real
and news items, and it can be argued that they HAD to be seen or we wouldn't
really know these things happened, wouldn't know what we humans are
capable of, wouldn't believe others' cries of injustice, wouldn't make demands
of our government.  You tell me when movies have gone farther than people 
already have, and daily do, and then I *might* agree that they went too far, but
I wouldn't advocate anything stronger than just avoiding them anyway.

> I don't like censorship very
>much.  I just wish movie makers were more interested in making good movies
>then in making money...
> 
>Ben.
> 
I feel the same way.  All the people who make it their business to worry
about the contents of movies would be better humanitarians if they first
learn (not just guess or opine) about human nature and tried to work on that.
To me, all this effort to find the causes of human ills in the outer world
(rock music, movies, etc) shows a general lack of willingness to look completely
within ourselves first.


Ron
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: sjgreen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:49:11 GMT

zklf0b@gs144.uucp (Fergason) writes:
> 
> 
[other stuff deleted]
> I thought 'Hardware' was pretty pointless.

I couldn't agree more. `Hardware' is the only (!) movie that I have ever
walked out on.  I had spent the entire day convincing a friend of mine to
go with me.

Needless to say, I paid him back for his ticket.  Talk about embarrasing.

Steve
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From: jcwasik@srv.PacBell.COM (Joe Wasik)
Subject: Peter Pan meets Dinomonsters (Jurassic Park)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:23:09 GMT

I've seen so many comments about Jurassic Park.  None of the articles that
I've read, comment on Steven Spielberg being the director.  This is a guy
who's made nothing but kiddie movies the last many years.  His fear-inspiring
skills as in Jaws and Poltergeist have long gone.  He'll take a good plot,
an adult plot, and turn it into Peter Pan.  Is there any hope?

-- 
Joe Wasik, Pacific Bell, San Ramon, CA (510)823-2422, jcwasik@pacbell.com
"Be good -- go to church. Be good -- go to church. Be good -- go to church."
	-- Republican Economic Plan.
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From: ace@bharh45.bnr.co.uk (A.Elly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.games.trivia
Subject: Re: Help identify this actor/movie
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:57:06 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.


Hello again!!

Please help.  I stand to win 220 pounds if I can identify
the name of the actor who says the following line as well 
as the name of the movie it's from.  All that I know about
the actor is that he is/has been both a TV and movie actor.

I'm allowed to use whatever sources I can find - and I choose
to get help from all you out there in netland.  I've had two
guesses at it so far but the actors mentioned (Clark Gable and
Gregory Peck) don't sound like the actor in the clip.

The setting and the line:

In the background, just before he speaks, one can hear a door
close and then birds cheeping.

Male actor:	"Around here, even the birds know better
		than to be out at night."


Please, any answers, or even guesses by email to me asap.

Thanks in advance,

Adrienne
From: psybm@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: the PELLET with the poison
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:59:12 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University


The PELLET with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon
the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.....


...there is at least one more line of this ditty in the Danny
Kaye movie " The Court Jester" with Glynis Johns and Basil Rathbone.


Cath.
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:54:23 -0400 
From: Peter Yung Chang <pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: StarTrek IV mistake

one interesting note is that for Chinese people, portraits of their dead
relatives are displayed in black and white and convey an eerie feeling...

Maybe this had something to do with it?.....NOT!!!

					
					peech

Peter Chang
Economics/Industrial Management
Carnegie Mellon University
<pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>




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From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:59:07 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <BtyDzy.7rw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball") writes:
> In article <BtxzLn.vv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>>Well, there's always "Chopper Chicks in Zombietown."  Truly terrible.
> 
> How did this compare to Reform School Girls?  Ever seen Surfer Nazis Must Die?
> I thought that these were _meant_ to be terrible.  :-)
> 
I can answer that!  Reform School Girls was best, but none of these
movies is as good as its title (but they are great titles).  Chopper
Chicks is a Fred Olen Ray movie (yes?), and you get the usual imcompetent
Fred Olen Ray silliness, which I enjoy.  Reform School Girls has
Sybil Danning *and* Wendy O. Williams, so it is compilsory viewing.
Surf Nazis just stunk.
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Re: Hal Hartley's American Playhouse
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:41:21 GMT

peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu  writes:
> I have heard that Hal Hartley made a film that was shown on American
> Playhouse. Is it available for rent? Or is short films available for 
> rent?

This is true.  The one I saw and know of is "Surviving Desire"
and I hear he's done at least one other short and some stuff
for PBS' other show, "Alive From Off Center."  Don't think it's
available on video though (nor the other stuff).
> 
> Does anyone know what he's been up to recently?
> (It's so unfortunate that his movies are not distributed with respect
> so that they could make money and he could make more movies...)

He has a movie that was premiered at this year's Cannes
festival, but the title escapes me.
> --Peter M.
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


clee@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Christina Lee)

>does anyone out there think that the sex scenes in certain
>movies are getting too explicit and not really called for?

[stuff deleted}

>It really hit home when I realized that a woman had brought in 
>a little girl (2-4 yrs old) to SWF.

Not a flame at _you_, Christina, but anyone who would bring an
infant to a movie like this is incredibly stupid.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Sound track from "Salon Kitty"?
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:19:03 GMT

In article <87520@netnews.upenn.edu> matsuda@linc.cis.upenn.edu (N o s t a l g i a) writes:
>I just saw "Salon Kitty" (made sometime during the 80's in Gemany?), starring
>Helmut Burger among others.  Aside from the film itself, I was impressed with
	------
Chicken or ham?

>the music (songs) used in the film.  Does anyone have a soundtrack (or anything
>similar to it) of the film?  Or could it be the case that those numbers are
>actually some standard numbers?  Any info would be appreciated.

No soundtrack released, as far as I know.
								M.H.
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:14:07 GMT

Well, how about the closing credits of Angel Heart, with Johnny Angel
riding the "elevator to hell"?  Great scene, very symbolic of what had 
happened to Angel himself.  

The Walrus
From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me"
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:39:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

>According to the New York Times, "This may not be the worst movie ever. But it
>sure seems that way."

>Saw it last (Opening) night. Goofy, disjointed, aimless, creepy, histrionic;
>in turn groundless, stupid, engrossing, confusing, illuminating, and
>clarifying.

>There was sufficient imagery and plot to forge either a "Chien Andalou"-type
>disturbing, stream-of-consciousness study of cruelty (to self and others) or a
>disturbing, cohesive study of human deterioration. Instead, trying to do both
>accomplished neither.

>David lynched his own creation......is he mocking himself by mocking Leland?

>Naah.

I liked the beginning, actually.  That had a lot of the feel of the early TV
episodes.  It derailed somewhere along the way, though.  

Sue

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Cast of Dracula
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:09:10 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep1.145021.15232@jade.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu 
(George W. Harris) writes:

>>Count Dracula/Vlad Dracul: Gary Oldman  
>>   (_JFK_, _Rozencrantz and Guildensten Are Dead_)
 
> Except Vlad Dracul is *not* Vlad the Impaler/Vlad Tepes.  
> Vlad Dracul was Vlad the Impaler's father.

That's why I had both down...

From what I've heard he plays the Count AND the father.

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
                                            Matt Dillon in _Drugstore Cowboy_
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name of this movie?
Keywords: Airplane, 1950s, crash
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:29:42 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <17172@ulysses.att.com>, rjs@ulysses.att.com (Richard Steinberg) writes:
|> Does anyone know the name of this movie?  Here are the salient facts:
|> 
|> 1) There was a mysterious crash of an airplane.  One engine went out--a one in
|> a million chance, but then, the other engine also went out, why?  The
|> stewardess survived.  In order to determine what went wrong, the flight of the
|> downed plane is re-enacted as closely as possible.  The stewardess describes in
|> real time exactly what happened on board and every detail is reproduced.  The
|> answer turns out to be a cup of coffee she brought to the pilot.  After the
|> first engine went, the coffee cup spilled into an opening in the cowling and
|> killed the second engine.
|> 
|> 2) Probably an American movie from the 1950s.
|> 
|> Any information about this movie, viz., the name, the actors, the year,
|> and plot clarification would be most appreciated.

  It's either Experiment in Terror or maybe Fate is the Hunter.

  Stars Glenn Ford.  Suzanne Pleshette was the Stewardess.
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (was Re: What do you call YOUR remote?)
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:00:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <25AUG199214295973@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>, edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes...
>In article <1992Aug18.143650.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes...
>>In article <1992Aug17.175334.15980@morrow.stanford.edu>, 
>>AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:
>>But boy, there are some awsome looking films coming up!!!
>>_Bram Stoker's Dracula_
>>_A Few Good Men_
>>_1492_
>>_Last of the Mohicans_
>>_Jurrasic Park_
>>_Hoffa_
>>_Spiderman_?
>>....and plently of others!
> HOW COULD YOU NOT EVEN MENTION MALCOLM X ??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU ALSO FORGOT ABOUT EVIL DEAD III: ARMY OF DARKNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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