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From: gary_preckshot@lccmail.ocf.llnl.gov (gary preckshot)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: Question about this Newsgroup
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:12:13 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1993Jan4.214028.16117@netcom.com>, badboy@netcom.com (Jay Keller) writes:
> 

> I propose the title:
> 
>  "rec.crafts.metalworking.asinine_discussions_about_the_name_of_the_newsgroup"
> 

Well, now for those wanting to know what we mean by "flame", the above is
an example, albeit a clumsy one.  The rest of the folks on the crafts name
thread have engaged in a gentlemanly (or maybe gentlepersonly) exchange
of views.  No juvenile namecalling, no unstylish grotesqueries, not even
irrelevancies have appeared.  I do find the history of craftsmanship
extremely interesting because not only does it now underlie many of our
current practices, but it also arises from the human condition.  Simply
put, some people do better at manual arts than others, while others are
more adept at theory.  Labor, crafts, and science are reflections of human
attempts to grapple with their world.  I think they are certainly pertinent
to this group.  Carlos Santayana said "Those who forget history are
condemned to repeat it."  What better purpose for this group than to avoid
the mistakes of the past and to choose the best from thousands of years of
human endeavor.  Unfortunately, history and letters seem to be omitted from
most apprenticeship programs and even some comp sci programs.  Mr. Keller
is certainly welcome to show the reverse, if he can.

G.
From: okunewck@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Phil OKunewick)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: Tube Bending Equipment
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:26:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Random, at best

amichals@ieeefin.ieee.org (Alex Michals) writes:
>
>     I am looking for a source to purchase a pipe/tube bender.  During
>     the winter months I want to fabricate a cooler seat rack and some
>     railings for my boat and will be using 7/8" and 1" Aluminum or
>     Stainless tubing. If someone knows of a source for this type of
>     bending equipment please e-mail me with information.  I have seen
>     benders available for up to 5/8" locally but can't locate one
>     for my needs.  Appreciate any help !!

   Wholesale electrical suppliers may be able to provide something
like this, for bending electrical conduit.  Conduit comes in various
sizes.

   They may have to special-order the size you want.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com (Kevin N. Carpenter)
Subject: Re: [M] IMCC, opinions anyone?
Organization: Monsanto Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:53:54 GMT

guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:
: 
:     The real reason for this post is to start a discussion on the new club I saw
: advertised in the December FAMA.
: 
:     It is called the International Marine Collectors Club out of Redondo Beach,
: CA.  For a $25.00 "Charter Membership Fee", you get Dr. Burgess' "Mini Atlas of
: Marine Aquarium Fishes" and the ability to buy fish from "The Club" at "as much as
: 75% below retail.  A couple of the examples given:
: 

Well, since I wanted the book, I joined the club (figured it was a minimal
risk thing to do).  I have the price sheet if anyone is interested in anything
specific.  What you need to keep in mind is that shipping and handling need
to be added in.  Shipping of a gallon of water and a few critters can easily
be $25, handling is $3-$10 per container.

There were not accepting any orders until January 4th.  I called today (the 
7th) and was told their supplies were just starting to arrive and it would
be "a week or two" before they started shipping.  Despite a bold "call toll
free and charge your order" on the top of the order form, they insisted I
mail or fax them the order.  They would NOT take one over the phone.  I did
fax them a small ($30) order, we will see what the total bill is and what
shape the specimens are in.

In summary, I'm proceeding with caution.  Oh, I'm in the mid-west.  A few
of my contacts on the coast claim the prices were just barely less than
what they pay.
--
Kevin Carpenter       Internet:  kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com
Monsanto Company      Fidonet:   1:100/215.0 (home)
St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.A.
Opinions expressed are those of the author, not the company he works for.
From: dfa@triple-i.com (David Aronson)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: dfa@triple-i.com
Organization: Information International, Inc.


Could someone send me the FAQ for this group?  I can
only post to this group so please e-mail the replies
to me.

Thanks,
Dave Aronson
dfa@triple-i.com
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:9954 alt.aquaria:6519
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: "humid" environment materials?
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Distribution: na
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft

shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine) writes:
>Good luck with it.  By the way, Oleg, I'll probably be out San Jose-way
>the week of 1/18.  Let me know if you want me to haul any fish to/from
>east/west coasts.

To hell with the fish.  Bring your radial arm saw!
-- 
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:9925 alt.aquaria:6504
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Albino Oscar problem
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:28:44 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

>  Hello All! I have an Albino Oscar in my tank but lately I have
> had a little problem with it...Won't eat at all! I have tried all
> sorts of meals and still he won't eat. I even put a heater in the
> tank since it's getting kind of cold down here but he still won't
> eat. He appears to be in some sort of a sad mod, always satys in a
> corner of the tank, won't move all day long and won't eat either.
> Cab someone help me out? I haven't seen any kind of disease or
> parasites on him at all...Help! Thanx! :-)

Based on my experience with my Oscar...  If you can't detect anything VISUALLY
wrong with it, let him be for a few days.  He'll either develop a hunger, or a
visualy symptom you may be able to treat.  In case of the former, have
something nice waiting for him like some frozen krill/similar.

				-Matt
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale Skiba)
Subject: Re: Algae descriptions: Re: [F] Tough hair algae question
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:15:58 GMT

Bob Raible - LSI Design (raible@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec28.194010.22352@medtron.medtronic.com> ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale Skiba) writes:
: >Try getting a Borneo sucker.  Mine loves this stuff.  I have a tropical
: >community tank in an east window.  It gets direct sunlight in the early
: >mornings.  My plants loved the this, but so did the algae.  I had to get
: >a couple of ottos to keep the algae under control.  They did a fair job,
: >but I had to clean off the "green spot algae" every few months.  As an
: >experiment, I got a Borneo sucker.  It ate everything the Ottos didn't
: >like. I have not had to remove ANY algae from this tank since I got this
: >fish.  Actually, the sucker is doing too good of a job.  I have to get
: >some "algae tablets" now. There is no visible algae left in the tank now.
: >
: Can somebody provide the scientific name for this beast - I've never heard
: of it, and believe I've looked at quite a few tanks in my time. Any info
: would be appreciated.

I called up the fish store where I bought it.  Usually they have the latin
name printed on the side of the tank, and the sales receipt.  Unfortunately,
they do not have the latin name for this one.  They told me it is somewhat
similar to a Hong Kong Pleco.  It looks alot like a cross between a Pleco
and a leech.

--
Dale Skiba
From: rg@kunikpok.icus.com (R.G. Keen)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: protein skimmers
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 23:44:59 CST
Organization: Kunikpok Kennels and Komputers (Pet Project)

> 
> I submitted some plans for a counter-current design several months
> ago. I can repost them if you (or anyone) is interested. This design
> works best in a sump, but will work standalone if you set up the
> plumbing. If you already have a power head available, this is a very
> cost effective design.
> 
> A venturi skimmer generates air flow via a venturi valve (kind of like
> in your powerhead) rather than from an air pump. Venturi skimmers
> also generate more turbulence and increase the interaction of bubbles
> to water (greatly simplified - See Moe's text filter systems).
> 

I'm interested, can you post or mail to me? Also, can you give me the 
reference on Moe's text? That's not familiar to me.

R.G.
From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fluval 303, a good filter?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:57:08 -0600
Organization: Introl Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com

In article <C0ptJ4.Byn@jabba.ess.harris.com> dwilliam@pizza.ess.harris.com (Dave Williams) writes:
>   Well, Here's my experience - I've got two tanks running with Fluval 
>203's.  The 303 is practically identical to the 303, only the 303 has
>two to three times the capacity of the 203.  One of my tanks is a 40L, 
>which has been running for around six months now.  In this time, I've 
>cleaned the filter twice, although it didn't really need it.  (I had to
>pull the carbon during a treatment of a bad case of ick)  The water in
>this tank runs ridiculously clear.  It's one of those wierd situations 
>in this tank where the water (and the glass, thanks to a pair of Pl*cos)
>is so clear, you can't really tell where the glass/water is.  The fish
>look like they're just floating in front of you!  Needless to say, I
>love Fluval filters.  The second tank is a 27 gal hex, which has only been
>running for three months.  Seems to be fine, though.
>
>   My fluvals have to be the quietest thing I've ever seen.  They are 
>so quiet that the only way to tell they are running is to either look
>for signs of current flowing in the tank, or put your hand on the canister
>to feel the vibrations.  These things are s-i-l-e-n-t!

I echo Dave's comments on Fluval filters. I have a 303 running on 
a 65 gallon tank. I (not being a canister filter efficianado) can
only say good things about it. It is very silent, and pumps a lot
of gallons per hour for the price (220 gph, $57 @ that fish place).
It does fall under the canister maintenance hassle, but overall
I have no complaints whatsoever. The main reason I purchased the
303 over others, is that the filtering "stages" are individually
removeable/switchable.

While I have no experience with the 203, I can recommend the 303 highly.
It is a very good inexpensive filter.
-Pete
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
Pete Ikusz	Introl Corporation	pete@introl.com
From: dsavard@col.hp.com (Don Savard)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: [F] Tank Upgrade
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:55:45 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

Hi fellow aquarists :-)

As the header states, I'm thinking of upgrading my 10 gal freshwater to a 
29 gal fresh. After the larger tank is set-up, established and occupied
by the 10's current residents, I'm going to try to keep the 10 as a hospital
tank for quarantine purposes until the larger tank is fully occupied 
(but not overcrowded).

A little history :

The 10 has been running since the first week of September. It's current
happy residents are 6 White Clouds, 2 Green Cories, & a male Betta. Plants 
include Red & Green Ludwigia, Elodea Densas, and Hornwort. The plants are 
happy too, Elodeas are sprouting big-time, Ludwigias are slowly growing, and 
the Hornwort's growing like dandelions. It's filtered with a Whisper 1 filter
which I plan to transfer to the larger tank.

Here's the plan:

The fish place I frequent will sell me the tank, I'll get a 15% discount
on the add-ons, and a fish club membership that entitles me to a 10%
discount on fish for a year. (Sounds like it could be a good deal).

I plan on getting a small sponge filter for the 10 gal, which will stay as 
the primary filter for the hospital tank. I'll be running the 2 filters for a
couple of weeks to establish the sponge filter before taking the Whisper out
and into the new tank. I'll also be taking out 80% of the gravel in the 10 &
adding it to the gravel in the larger tank. How long would it take to cycle the
sponge filter and the new tank this way? Anyone try this before? Complications?
Better ideas? Post or e-mail me directly (dsavard@cs.its.hp.com), whichever is
convenient. I'll try to summarize responses.


I'm also planning on buying some plants through mail-order from That Fish Place.
Anyone have any recommendations regarding this idea?


Thanks in advance for the advice.


Don

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine)
Subject: Re: "humid" environment materials?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:57:26 GMT

In article oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>I am planning to build a "fish room" to house a large number of
>aquariums in the (uninsulated) garage of our house.  The fish room will

What, the killie loft begining to sag under all that weight?  :-)

If you go with the metal infrastructure, I'd suggest painting the
metal with heavy-duty Rustoleum a priori.  A local killie guy (Clay
Crawford) is constructing a huge fish room using I-beams or somesuch
for his stands, and says this should prevent rust problems.

>Any suggestions?  Is there a better, more reliable or easier way to
>water-proof drywall?  Are there simpler to use or cheaper materials

Did you look into "marine" plywood?  It's heavier, stronger, and more 
expensive than regular construction plywood, but it's easy to work 
with and you can put it all together with screws for easy 
removal/reassembly.  I don't know if it comes in thinner sheets than
.75" and I don't know the insulating properties, but a phone call
should do it.  I imagine a thick coat of polyurethane on marine plywood
would be pretty effective.

>available?  Would 2x4 framing be easier or cheaper or much safer to
>use?  Would it be possible to anchor the shelving to the metal framing
>to prevent it from rocking during minor earthquakes?

IMO, wood is easier to work with and cheaper.  And if you make a mistake
(who? me?), it's easy to find another 2x4 in a hurry.  My stand is made
of dado-ed 2x4s with bolts, could easily hold up my car, and was simple
to make.  Then again, I have an industrial 10" radial arm saw, too.  :-)

Good luck with it.  By the way, Oleg, I'll probably be out San Jose-way
the week of 1/18.  Let me know if you want me to haul any fish to/from
east/west coasts.

>Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path

-- 
Steve Shine
AT&T Bell Labs    (908)949-8517
att!hoqub!shine   att!cbnewsh!shine
My opinions, not my employers, not my fault, blah, blah, blah.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: root@kilowatt.uucp (Kilowatt admin)
Subject: Baby cichlids
Organization: Kilowatt Computing
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:11:53 GMT

Hello all...
	I am the proud father (well, not really) of about 50 baby cichlids.
They're a cross between a Salvini Cichlid (anyone know where they came from?
Are they a convict hybrid?) and a Pink Convict. The babies are about 3 weeks
out of the egg.
	I'm wondering... what should I be feeding them? They are voracious
eaters, eating the leftovers from the frozen brine shrimp that I feed the
mother (I finally seperated the parents after 5 batches of eggs hatched and
promptly disappeared). The funniest sight is seeing a fish that's 1/2" long
swimming away with a full sized brine shrimp in it's mouth!
	They're happy eating Tetra Flakes too. Is there anything else I could
be giving them? I'm not really keen on live food yet... Too many times I've
had my fish get sickly from a batch of tubifex worms, and I'm not taking ANY
chances on the babies.
	What are the scientific names for the Pink Convict and the Salvini
Cichlid (looks like a cross breed). But I will say this, the Salvini markings
are definitly dominant over the Pink. There's only 3 or 4 fry that are NOT
marked like the mother.
	Anyway... thanks for any help!

-- 
Kilowatt Computers (516) 253-2805			Arthur A. Krewat
51 Winnecomac Ave.			uunet!yale.edu!admiral!kilowatt!krewat
Deer Park, NY 11729					(516) 586-4743
	WARNING! THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE IS UNDER PROTECTION OF A SMILEY :-)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: [F] Corydora Question
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:52:01 GMT

Bill Blum (blumb@sage.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: 
: I have a 5 gallon [F] tank with two 1" albino corydoras in it, and I was
: told at the pet store that flake food would be ok to feed them with.
: 
: However, after reading several books on aquariums, I learned that corys are
: bottom feeders, and since they are, should I be using pellet foods
: instead????????

It depends a bit on your tank's filtration and what else is in
the tank.  If your filter and the other fish cooperate, the
flakes will sink to the bottom and get eaten.  If not, then you
probably want to get some Tabimen, or a similar sinking food.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - K. Dunn, _Geek Love_

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
From: almaguer@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (alejandro almaguer)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: no water changes for me
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:25:08 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <204@jptcs.COM> Steve.Kilbey%bbs@jptcs.com (Steve Kilbey) writes:

> I do not do water
>changes. My fish do great, so why mess up their environment by fixing
>something that ain't broken. Here are my scenarios:
> 3) African cichlid tank, 20 gallon, little pl*co, 3 month old tank, 0 ppm
>ammonia, 7.5 pH, no water changes.

Well, I'll only comment on Africans, since that is all I have.  What
kind and how many do you have in this 20gal?  Try putting any morph
of Tropheus Morii in a tank without changing the water.  You'll
get DEAD, expensive, fish.

>Otherwise, my fish are all active, and eat all the food I put in. It is
>true, I have not tested nitr[ia]tes. I have considered changing water, but
>as I said in the beginning, why sould I if I have had no problems?

Have they spawned?  That IMHO is a bit more of a test of how good the
conditions in your tank are.  Like you said don't fix what ain't broken,
but if you do a water change I bet you'll get something to spawn (if
you have a pair in the first place).  That's just a 'semi-educated' 
guess.
Well, keep on doing what your doing.  A change may just kill a fish.

Sincerely,
Alex
p.s. how often do you clean your filter(s)?
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: protein skimmers
From: mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier)
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:34:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1993Jan4.193651.27067@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> dmk@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (daniel.m.kuster..jr) writes:
>I want to build a stand alone unit, not one that is connected 
>to a wet-dry filter sump.  Also, does anyone know what makes
>a skimmer a "venturi" skimmer?  If possible I would like to
>make one of these.  I assume I will have to power it with a 
>power head of some type.  Two questions:

I submitted some plans for a counter-current design several months
ago. I can repost them if you (or anyone) is interested. This design
works best in a sump, but will work standalone if you set up the
plumbing. If you already have a power head available, this is a very
cost effective design.

A venturi skimmer generates air flow via a venturi valve (kind of like
in your powerhead) rather than from an air pump. Venturi skimmers
also generate more turbulence and increase the interaction of bubbles
to water (greatly simplified - See Moe's text filter systems).

I messed around with building a venturi skimmer with two 802 power
heads. This does not work because the power heads cannot generate
enough head pressure to raise the water level in the skimmer. The
back pressure also totally disables the venturi. IMHO you need a
powerful water pump to effectively drive a venturi skimmer.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark D. Collier                      Southwest Research Institute
Senior Research Analyst              Automation and Data Systems Division
Voice: (512) 522-3437                Data Systems Department
FAX:   (512) 522-5499                Software Engineering Section
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: patterso@ADS.COM (Tim J. Patterson)
Subject: Re: [M] IMCC, opinions anyone?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:31:15 GMT

I've also seen the add and the prices look to be very good compared to
local retail.  Over Christmas, I got a copy of the preshipment prices
from Hawaii and the Phillipines.  The markup in the shops is sky high.
As a simple example, I recently bought a majestic angel locally for
$95. The price list for this fish is $17 (that does not include
shipping).  If IMCC does nothing more than bundle orders to get a
wholesale price and a reasonable deal on shipping, they should be able
to substantially beat the prices I've been paying.  The question is
what kind of service do you get and what quality of livestock.

Tim

From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:45:42 GMT
Subject: Re: [F] Success with Algae Destroyer
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO