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From: Jim Rigney
Subject: Best War Movie
Reply-To: Best War Movies
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:31:47 GMT

Best war movie for aerial combat footage:
The Blue Max 
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:35:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.154857.13376@cco.caltech.edu> thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer) writes:
-> This may mean nothing in the long run, but I just ran across this and I
-> thought I'd toss it out onto the net for reactions.  Anybody know anything
-> about this?
-> 
-> The following is taken from ABORIGNAL SCIENCE FICTION's Fall 1992 issue,
-> page 75:
-> 
->           "Reported in PUBLISHERS WEEKLY for June 1st: TriStar Pictures,
->      on behalf of Roven-Cavallo Entertainment, has purchased the rights
->      to Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION trilogy.  The agreement states that the
->      company can produce one theatrical release using materials from
->      FOUNDATION, FOUNDATION AND EMPIRE, and SECOND FOUNDATION.  Also
->      included in the contract is an option on the additional movels
->      PRELUDE TO FOUNDATION, FOUNDATION'S EDGE, FOUNDATION AND EARTH, and
->      the forthcoming FORWARD THE FOUNDATION, plotted but only partially
->      written at the time of Dr. Asimov's recent passing.  The overall
->      agreement includes TV rights,  merchandising, video games, and a
->      possible sequel."
-> 
-> Anybody else heard anything of this?  As a friend of mine pointed out, this
-> reports merely the purchasing of the rights, which is very distinct from
-> actually making a movie from them.  Besides, could anyone really do a decent
-> FOUNDATION movie, especially one movie for the whole trilogy (which is what
-> the above sounds like)?
-> 
-> Updates?  Thoughts?  Comments?  Reactions?

	I think and attempt to pack the Foundation story into a few
hours would end up like Dune.  I read Dune just before seeing the
movie and was really disappointed at all the great moments that were
brushed over or left out completely.  I think what would work would be
to turn it into a long running mini-series.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
From: Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:13:11 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Ed Stastny writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <ed.714095560@cwis>
> Posted: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:52:4
> 
> Org.  : University of Nebraska at Omaha
> 
> What's the poop on the new Dracula film?
> 
> I heard that it's directed by Francis Ford Coppolla, stars Winona Ryder
> as Mina, Anthony Hopkins as Van Helsing, and whatsisname as Drac.


The "whatsisname" is British actor Gary Oldman (A fairly important
'whatsisname'!)

Me being such a swell guy, I will even go so far as to include his credits for
you:

Oldman, Gary       Chattahoochee
                   Criminal Law
                   Heading Home
                   JFK
                   Prick Up Your Ears
                   Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
                   Sid and Nancy
                   State of Grace
                   Track 29
                   We Think the World of You

Most people will know him from Oliver Stone's "JFK" in which he played Lee
Harvey Oswald.

Now, as to the picture itself, I have only seen it's theatrical trailer. In the
trailer all you see is blood "attracting" together into little droplets
"a-la-terminator 2" to form the word "DRACULA". Then, we see a close up of Gary
Oldman in what looked like really heavy latex and makeup. His character giggles
into the camera and claps his hands together in sinister glee.

Now, I know that doesn't sound like too much, but believe me, Coppola was very
wise to show us only that tiny little scene of Oldman as Dracula. Why? Because
it reveals so much about the character, about how it's going to be played,
about the actor's intent and the character's qualities. It came across as "this
is a back-to-square-one version of Dracula, in which Dracula is evil, and not
some sexy Austrian bodybuilder hanging out in S. Cal."

Can you dig what I'm getting at here? It looks like it will be quite
incredible. I just realized, that I cannot judge a movie by its trailer, but
WOW, what a really special trailer indeed!

Enough said. I'm starting to blather on. (I'm a rather devoted fan of Mr.
Coppola. Oldman too, for that matter.)



--
Marc North  --  The Lanceholder's Group
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From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: Manon of the Spring (was something really stupid)
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:19:21 GMT

In <1992Aug14.035500.511@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:

	>gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
	>:    Am I right in thinking this film is the same as "Manon
	>: des Sources", the sequel to "Jean de Florette"? Is this an
	>: American thing? To refer and I suppose release foreign
	>: films with the titles translated into English?

	>Yes it is the sequel. In Oz, it was released with the French
	>Title. Maybe in the US things have to be repackaged to gain
	>acceptance.

Before we start doing a lot of U.S.-bashing, please realize that
renaming films is a practice over here in Europe as well.  For
example, in French-Switzerland and France _Batman Returns_ is called
_Batman, Le Defi_ (translation: "Batman, the Challenge").  Similarily,
_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is called (in translation) "Twin
Peaks: the Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer".  Apparently the Japanese
version uses the latter title as well.

Most U.S.  films have different names here.  Some are simply
translated, some are completely transformed.  If you want to go
blaming the U.S. film industry for doing something stupid here, then
you have to blame Europeans as well.  In fact, given that most of the
movies shown in Europe come from the U.S. (accoring to Newsweek),
renaming is probably done more in Europe than the U.S.

A really amusing thing is to read the typos of movie names that have
*not* been translated.  For example, _Dead Poet's Society_ became
_Bead Poet's Society_ in a Geneva paper.  Nearly every week there is
another screw-up.  No, the U.S. isn't the only country that does this!
;-) 


	>I hear that the (pretty good) Oz film 'The Year My Voice
	>Broke' will be re-shot in the US, with US actors! ...I think
	>that's going TOO far. Why do our movies have such poor
	>acceptance overseas?

I suspect this is because Hollywood has a hard time coming up with
scripts that will make a good movie.  Why do you think there are so
many sequels?  Because if the first film was popular, then there is
likely some audience that will watch a sequel *simply* because it is
the second (or Nth) film in the series.

I agree that remaking films is almost always a dumb idea.  The worst
recent case (IMHO) is the U.S. version of _Nikita_ (called _La Femme
Nikita_ in the U.S.) that is currently in production.  This was a
*fine* French film which even had a lot of violence (seemingly a
staple in U.S. films).  Why it has to be remade is beyond me, but I
bet the film studio hopes to sell a lot of tickets with an
"Americanized" version.

							.oO Chris Oo.
-- 
                                                           Christopher Lishka
 Never drive a car when you're dead...			   PPE Division, CERN
				-- Tom Waits		  lishka@dxcern.cern.ch
							     vxaluw::lishka
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Oliver Stone NEW MOVIE?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:53:05 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <11821@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>I don't see any way for Stone to make a movie from "Homage to
>Catalonia" that isn't a hack job.  For starters, HtC paints the
>Soviet Union and Communism in a very bad light.  An accurate
>depiction of HtC will show how the Communists maneuvered the
>government into attempting to disarm the workers.  Stone would
>have to discredit the entire leftist establishment, if he made
>HtC accurately into film.

I don't mean to start an unrelated thread, but I can't let this pass...

Stone would have to discredit the entire leftist establishment if he 
showed negatives about Communists?  What a bunch of crap.

It's hard to believe that some people still think if you're not a fascist 
you must be a commie.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:50:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <l91j0pINNbjg@neuro.usc.edu> merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
>>In it, they show the Terminators being built, and they skin is applied
>>in a mold.  . . . . If a mold is used, it's not very feasible to
>>have to build a new one for each Terminator.

>Ever hear of 'cabbage patch kids' or 'puff a lumps' ?
>Both of these childrens toy series are made each slightly different
>by minor variations in the mold for each pressing -- pseudorandom.

Yeah, they all come from the same 'mold' and have different color hair,
eyes, etc put on them.  However, the Terminator in Reese's dream didn't
look like Arnie with different hair.  It looked like a different man.


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | Sign in a restaurant:
Georgia Institute of Technology  | 
Office of Information Technology |   "We reserve the right to serve refuse to
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |        anyone."
From: U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.games.trivia,bit.listserv.cinema-l
Subject: Film Trivia Quiz: The Actornet, Part 6
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:36:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Given the near-perfection of the responses to quiz 5, I've decided to try some-
thing I'd played with doing last time:  see how everybody does with only one
film supplied.  Essentially, the structure will be similar to the last one,
except that you work your way outward from the center of the cross instead of
inward from the ends of the bars.

                                   _
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               _---_---_---_---_---P---_---_---_---_---_
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                                   _

A. _The Accidental Tourist_                 L. _Housekeeping_
B. _Big_                                    M. _In Country_
C. _Billy Bathgate                          N. _Jean de Florette_
D. _Black Widow_                            O. _A League of Their Own_
E. _Casualties of War_                      P. _An Officer and a Gentleman_
F. _Damn Yankees_                           Q. _Pretty Woman_
G. _Diggstown_                              R. _Sex, Lies and Videotape_
H. _The Doctor_                             S. _Straight Time_
I. _Fast Times at Ridgemont High_           T. _Wages of Fear_
J. _Green Card_                             U. _Wish You Were Here_
K. _The Hard Way_

What you'll really be dealing with is four short chains, each starting with
the central film.  Therefore, it doesn't matter which chain goes on which
part of the cross.  (Since there's one cross, at most, you can hardly claim
that I've double-crossed you by upping the difficulty of this one :-) .)

Please email your completed quizzes to me by Thursday, September 4.  The
answers will be posted to the net later on.

                                             Mitch Pravatiner
                                             U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Prince of Darkness
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:34:50 GMT


Can anybody tell me when John Carpenter's _Prince of Darkness_ was made,
released.  I'm intrigued because I want to know if it was before or after
_Big Trouble in Little China_, as a few of the actors are the same.

hook

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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: Unforgivable  ***SPOILERS***
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:22:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.165114.11851@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
>In article <11800@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>The sheriff's decision to simply require financial compensation [...]
>>is clearly a comment on today's America, 
>
>I think you sre projecting here. It is far more likely that the Sheriff
>behaves that way because it is the sort of behavior that an 1880s person
>like Little Bill would probably do. Clint Eastwood is not the sort of person
>to put your message in his films.

Eastwood allegedly penned an article in "Parade," a Sunday-supplement, a
couple of weeks ago.  It was rather rambling, but boiled down to the point 
that every scene was intended to have a fundamental moral message.  To a 
much greater degree than one would gather from the net.  


>It always amuses me the way people will read whatever they want into things.

It always amuuuuuuuuses me to see people project their preconceptions that 
other people project. <sneer, sneer>


A good movie has no clear-cut right or wrong "meaning": it ignites the 
imagination, and leaves everyone with a slightly different, *personal* 
impression of what they saw.  If you want clear-cut, go see a documentary.
This isn't just a good movie; it's a superb example of that type of
*film-making*.




---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Subject: Short Quote Quiz
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:05:21 GMT


A Very Short Quote Quiz-

For each quote below, name the movie it is from. Then, name
what all the quotes have in common. (Note: In number 5,
a character's name has been replaced with "***")

1.  "Sweets, you couldn't ignore me if you tried."

2.  "You didn't order the Metallic Pee?"

3.  "I like me. My customers like me. You know why?"

4.  "I told you guys I was hot."
     "Hot? ***, you're a legend."

5.   "I love this girl, and I have to tell her. And if she laughs,
     she laughs."



Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
-- 
"If we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto,
 We'll just be bogus, too."-- Dr. Jeff Spicolli
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From: caren@engin.umich.edu (Caren Levine)
Subject: Re: CASTING CHOICES: Might-have-been...
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:04:39 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <120880018@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> msl@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Mark Laventhal ) writes:
>The movie you refer to is "Funny Face", but I think that Fred Astaire
>was due to star in it from the start.  The movie in which Astaire
>replaced Gene Kelly at the last moment due to Kelly being injured (and for
>which Astaire came out of retirement) was "Easter Parade" with Judy Garland.
>

Right.  Then, when Astaire and Garland did so well together,
they were cast together again for "Barkeleys of Broadway."
But Garland couldn't do it, so Ginger Rogers ended up starring in
her and Astaire's last movie together.  Can't imagine Garland
having made that movie with Astaire.  It was perfect for Rogers,
because the plot was so similar (sort of) to their actual stories
(dance team works together for years, splits up, makes one
final show together)...

	-Caren
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What is Arnie doing ??
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:34:18 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Aug17.212536.9347@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>I believe that's Terminator 4.  3 is being skipped as a promotional
>gimick -- it happens in the future, or at least an alternate future
>in which Skynet has secreted away part of its intelligence to
>ensure a rebirth and eventual creation of 4 identical terminators,
>which act alike, talk alike, walk alike, identical in every way.
>One prefers the Ballet Russe and crepes Suzette, another rock and
>roll, the third frequently loses control, the fourth is just another
>of this crazy quartet, yet different as night and day.
>
>I'm not sure they'll pull it off, but Arnie plays all four parts and
>Robert Patrick plays an adult John Connor.  Working title is
>"Terminator 4: Prejudgment Day".
>

Then there's the next one where Skynet attempts to weed out all of the 
problems with the terminators. It's to be called 'T5, Adjustment Day'.


-- 
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*    bob church                             *
*    bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu           *
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From: sramirez@milos.intel.com (Steve Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: John Anderson
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:54:57 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

>>>	Actor John Anderson had died at the age of 69.  The tall,

>>on MacGyver.  I will miss John Anderson; it was nice seeing a familiar face
>>on so many different shows.

Likewise. The best role I saw him in was on "Alfred Hitchcock" where he
plays a man whose frequent trips to the basement prompt his wife 
to think he's plotting to kill her and bury her in the basement.

Of course I won't reveal the ending, but it's classic Hitchcock, with 
a real ironic twist.

--
sramirez@sedona.intel.com  "'E was the vilest geezer I ever met, all misshapen,
'unchbacked, no 'air, flat feet.. ev'ryone 'ated 'im. Ev'ryone 'ated me, too.
We 'ated each other, but no one else would talk to us so we'd just sit around
and get drunk and criticize each other"     - Sid Vicious on Johnny Rotten 
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From: hackes@uni-paderborn.de (Markus Brakweh)
Subject: Re: *GREAT MOVIE ACTORS*
Organization: Uni Paderborn FB 17 Informatik GERMANY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:30:39 GMT

jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
: From article <20465@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, by margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman):
: 
: > Older
: > ****
: > 
: > Charlton Heston
: > Cary Grant
: > Marlon Brando
: >
: 
: John Wayne
: Gary Cooper
: Jimmy Stewart  

: Rhet Butler (the name eludes me right now)
It was Clark Gable

: Glen Ford
: Henry Fonda
: Claude Raines
: Humphrey Bogart
: 
: A little less old:
: 
: Clint Eastwood
: Gene Hackman
: Morgan Freeman
: Richard Harris
You have forgotten the very best of all: Dustin Hoffman

What about the women??
Michelle Pfeiffer,
Kim Basinger (Not as an actress but as a beauty (You can't flame me, I'm a fireman :-))
Demi Moore

The older ones:
Audrey and Katherine Hepburn
Vera Miles
The (Susan?) Bacall
Grace Kelly

Greetings from Germany
Markus
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: unforgivable ***spoil
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:47:35 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DT>Hackman's character was behaving that way.  Who was he protecting and
DT>why??

     Gene Hackman's Little Bill was enforcing his own brand of law-and-
     order.  He knew that bounty hunters were going to come from all over
     to claim the $1,000 reward for murdering two people - and he was
     determined to keep this from happening.  Therefore, he enforced
     the "no-guns" law as strictly as possible.  This is why he kicked
     the hell out of English Bob - to serve as a message to anyone else
     who dared come to "Big Whiskey."

     In one sense, it could be said that Little Bill was actually doing
     the right thing.  He was trying to keep two people - citizens of
     Big Whiskey who, as the sherriff, he was sworn to protect - from
     being killed.  This was the West, where only the strong could survive,
     and he had to be as merciless as possible in dealing out "justice."
     Plus, there's the question: is it worth it to kill two men for
     scarring a woman?  Granted, these men were slime and they never
     should have done that to the woman - but on the other hand, did
     they really deserve to die for it?  After all, when one of the two
     men tried to make amends for his crime, by giving one of his prized
     possessions to the woman, his apology was literally thrown back
     in his face.

     "Unforgiven" is a superb movie: it's the best I've seen so far in
     1992.  In fact, it's better than any movie I saw in 1991, too,
     with the possible exception of "The Silence Of The Lambs."
---
  SLMR 2.1a  ...all for a children's crusade...
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: ace@bharh45.bnr.co.uk (A.Elly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Shining Through ** SPOILER **
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:51:02 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.

Hello there!!

I watched Shining Through last night.  I'm a fan of both
Melanie Griffiths and Michael Douglas so I expected to
at least enjoy myself.

By about halfway through the movie I found I was rooting
for the Nazis.  The two lead characters were so irritating
that I was on the edge of my seat willing for them to get
shot and then die so that this dreadful film would end.

No such luck!!  I guess I just wasn't in the right mood
for this film.

8-)

Adrienne
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Wayne's World Music Change
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:37:53 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: workd
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:

>It's probably something along the lines of they thought by using only four
>notes they were probably OK in the same way that some songs that sample others
>get away with it without getting permission, but by explicitly pointing out
>that it was indeed Stairway via the sign (etc. etc.)

One can't help but wonder if it's a preemptive strike by the studio's
lawyers, or if it's in response to something from Led Zep's lawyers. I 
would be real suprised if Led Zep complained about this, and I suspect 
it was some wienie at the studio who had this done.

Anyone have a clue?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
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