From: dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.games.board.ce
Subject: Re: 4 Questions
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:14:48 GMT
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I SAW it, Michael.  :-)

Michael J. Thomas (thomasm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
> 1)  The Vampire wins as an ally with the Fungus.  Powers state that the
> Fungus takes the opponents' tokens into his stack; the Vampire enslaves
> one token of each opponent.  Does the Vampire take one and the Fungus gets
> the rest?  Does the Fungus get them all and the Vampire then gets one token
> to enslave from OUTSIDE the challenge?

	Yes to your first question: Vampire gets one and Fungus gets
the rest.  Note that this really hoses Vampire if the situation is
reversed and he's the one inviting Fungus to ally:  then Fungus (as
ally) gets all the tokens and Vampire gets squat.


> 2)  A Fungoid stack goes to the warp, and in that stack were some of the
> Grief's tokens.  Does Grief now get cards, or should he have gotten them when
> the Fungus assimilated them to begin with?

	Let's take this one part at a time.

1) Grief token gets put in a Fungus stack.
      According to Fungus, these tokens get put into a stack
      "[i]nstead of going to the warp."  So if Grief gets cards out of
      this loss, it's not at this point.

2) Fungus stack (with Grief tokens) goes into the warp.
      Grief sayeth, in its entirety:
	"For each token you lose to the warp, you may draw
	one card from the deck."
      Fungus sayeth, in part:
	"Captured tokens do not have special characteristics,
	e.g. Macron tokens are not worth four....
	Tokens lost to the Fungus are released when the Fungoid
	stack is in the warp."

      I'd say that Grief doesn't get cards when a Fungoid stack in
      the warp releases Grief tokens.  First off, the tokens weren't
      lost *to the warp*, they were lost far earlier, to the Fungus.
      Second, Fungused tokens lose their powers.  I think that Grief's
      power is definitely stored in its tokens - therefore they become
      powerless while in a Fungoid stack.

I also think that they don't become Grief tokens again until some time
after (an arbitrarily small unit of time "after", perhaps, but still
"after") the Fungoid stack goes into the warp and releases its tokens.
So they're not Grief tokens until after they are already in the warp.

The case would be similar for Grief vs. Vampire too - enslaved Grief
tokens would not net any cards for Grief even if they end up in the
warp.


> 3)  A wild Destiny card is turned over.  The offensive player chooses
> the Anamoly.  Can the Anamoly change his luck, or is the offensive player's
> decision considered a choice and the Anamoly has no power here?  ("Now go
> away, before someone drops a house on YOU!")  If the Anamoly can change
> his luck, does the offensive player choose another system or draw another
> Destiny?

	Anomaly is not Negator.  Besides, Anomaly is rather clear on
this Destiny deck issue - "[Y]ou may cancel the flip of the destiny
pile ... if your color came up...."  Strictly speaking, Anomaly's
color did *not* come up; it was decided by another player.  Similarly,
Anomaly is pretty useless against Will in this regard.


> 4)  The Plant grafts the power of the Machine, and at the end of the
> challenge the power specifically states that the Machine would then go back
> to the player from whom it was grafted.  Does this mean the Plant is unable
> to graft the Machine and therefore get more than two challenges?

	Yes.  I don't even think this would be an effective way to
merely make Machine not take a third turn.  (Why anyone would want to
graft or Zap Machine is beyond me anyway... but why I think that is
beyond the scope of this reply.)

> Are there similar powers the Plant can't graft?

	It would be pretty useless against Phantom or Pentaform,
probably, and it would be downright stupid to use against Reincarnator.

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