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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted on PC Unix system purchase
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:41:43 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug22.161009.16555@unixland.natick.ma.us>, bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
| davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
| 
| >  Maybe they should start shipping V.4 installed on their notebooks, and
| >let them figure out how to get it in if you can't load from floppy. Or
| 
| Personnally, I wouldn't buy a system like that unless there was also a way
| for ME to re-load the OS.  Otherwise, what will you do if the disk crashes?
| Send the machine back to them to re-load your OS?

  Exactly. And after that happens enough there would suddenly be
discovered a "user demand" for a load from some other media. I'm told
that SCO is or will be supporting the little parallel port to SCSI
adaptors, so there will be a good way to load and backup notebooks.

  I assume that the next upgrade of Dell will include a CD filesystem,
even if someone has to write it and donate it. The costs of distributing
on CD are so much lower than tape that it makes sense from a profit
viewpoint, if nothing else. If you have the mastering software you can
make your own tape inhouse, so the base cost is about $1000 for the
master, plus about $3/CD (or thereabouts). This is based on some things
heard at FORUM, so it's pretty close.

  Now consider that tape cost about $14/ea in bulk, and something like
$10 for duplicating (or in time and wear inhouse). Where do the two
curves meet? If your high school math is up to
	1000 + 3N = (14+10)N
you get N=40. Poof, even for distributing beta test programs it makes
sense. For regular distribution it makes more sense. Let the customer
pay for what they want, base price is CD, QIC/DAT is $30 more, floppies
are, say, $200 more. 

  I will state here that this whole idea about not being able to get a
useful system on floppy is hogwash. The TAMU distribution of Linux was
one boot and four base disks, including the o/s, utils, and even the
source to the kernel. And full X11 on three more disks. If I couldn't
put a useful UNIX on ten 1.44 floppies I'd go home. I might have to
install some unusual odds and ends from lots of other floppies, but the
average person could install from a single box and have the usual things
you want in UNIX.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein)
Subject: Re: Dell SVR4 (and Dell hardware)
Organization: smallo.bo.open.de Fido-SubNet-Gate : 2:245/5800.12
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 20:56:06 GMT

rvdp@sow.econ.vu.nl (Ronald van der Pol) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>->A machine running SunOS will be much less likely to "hang" than the 
>->equivalent intel machine.  At least that has been my experience, but 
>-Bull.  My Dell box runs and runs.  I remember running ISC (granted
>-2.20 with their old 1.2 TCP release) and it hung.
>-Try running Dell.  It runs and runs (right karl@ddsw1.msc.com).  
>-My machine doesn't hang.  Maybe yours does, but mine doesn't.

>Dell SVR4 is probably the best Unix you can buy for a PC, but I think
>SunOS is a by far a more complete operating system.

heretic :-) If Larry tells you that a dell-box is best, than you have
to sell your sparc 10 and buy a 386SX 16Mhz with 4MB (Dell runs best 
with every hardware) 

A machine, that was build for running a operating system can't be
beaten by a computer, which was designed in the 80'. Althought there
are many enchantments like EISA or Local-bus, it's a crutched stick
for an operating system. And the price for a intel unix system isn't
lower than for a sparc system (ugh, english isn't my native language) 
which was constructed to run a multiuser-OS...

Bye, Olaf

PS. Larry should probably found a larry_help_account, and everybody
spend 5$, this would be cheaper than reading every day hiding ads for
Dell... 
-- 
Olaf Klein     smallo.bo.open.de       2:245/5800.12
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: slangley@constant.demon.co.uk (Simon Langley)
Subject: Re: HELP: internal modem
Organization: Home
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:14:32 GMT

a_sonnenberg@uvmvax.uvm.edu wrote:
: I have a supra 2400 plus internal modem and can't figure out how to
: set it up as a device.  Can anyone help me?
: I have a 386dx, system V unix, and I'm trying to set it up with face.
: 
The modem should have dip switches or jumpers to set it as a particular
port and IRQ.  This means that sending data to that com port will go to
the modem.  You are rather vague about which UNIX you are using but on
my ESIX SVR4 system the serial ports have device names like:

	/dev/tty02
	/dev/tty02s
	/dev/tty02h

my modem was set up as com3 IRQ5 and sending any data to /dev/tty02 went
to my modem (the numbers are 1 out of step so /dev/tty00 is com1 &c).
Nothing has to be done to setup UNIX specially for the modem if the serial
ports themselves are already setup.

-- 
   Simon Langley                   (preferred)   slangley@constant.demon.co.uk
   Hampstead, London                             slangley@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Consensys and serial ports
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:12:19 GMT

root@kilowatt.uucp (Kilowatt admin) writes:

>	My Telebit WorldBlazer (used to be a T3000, but it grew) worked great
>with this setup doing UUCP and logins happily. I recently switched to FAS
>(watch for my forthcoming article "Getting FAS to run under SVR4 - Consensys")
>and it now happily (mostly) does it at 115200 baud!! FAS is a pretty usefull
>tool - although I don't really think it fits into SVR4 well - it's not
>a STREAMS module. But I LIKE it! Only it seems that it broke my

Have you tried the Streams ASY driver -- SAS?

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Xref: sparky comp.unix.sysv386:13585 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:4196 comp.protocols.ppp:721
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.ppp
From: ronald@gate.demon.co.uk (Ronald Khoo)
Followup-To: comp.protocols.ppp
Summary: No problems here.
Organization: Demon Internet Services.
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92)
Subject: Re: SCO ODT 2.0 having troubles talking to Netblazers?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:57:35 +0000

jessea@homecare.com (Jesse W. Asher) wrote:

> Is anyone out there having problems with the tcp/ip that comes with
> SCO ODT 2.0?

Well, I can't get the rarpd to work for me, but otherwise it looks good.
The performance is better than the last release, and it's got
lots of useful stuff pre-compiled for it, of which I've used at least
dig, traceroute and xntpd today and they all seem to work well.

> We installed ODT 2.0 and found that we had some problems
> talking to remote Netblazers.

How remote ?  Do you mean using PPP or SLIP ?  For certain, SCO ODT
has absolutely no problems talking to netblazers running FRED 1.5
over ethernet because I that's what I'm typing into right now.

> that comes with ODT 2.0 is based on an RFC that isn't current and the
> Netblazers are based on the most current.

This sounds like a reference to the PPP implementation.  It's true that
SCO ODT 2.0 supports only RFC171 and RFC172 PPP which is not the
latest RFC.  However, that goes the same for most PPP implementations
you can get today, and most of them seem to work fine with the Netblazer.

I haven't had a chance to try out SCO's own ppp yet, so I can't say
whether it will interoperate with the Netblazer, but being an "old"
ppp will in itself not prevent it doing so.  Do try changing some
of the Netblazer ppp configurations.  For example, SCO's manuals
at cursory reading don't mention VJ header compression support, so
you might want to try a wild stab at disabling that on the netblazer
end.

Sorry I can't give any concrete help, but I've redirected followups to
a group containing people who might be able to (the ppp newsgroup)
since it sounds like you're having PPP trouble.

-- 
Ronald Khoo <ronald@demon.co.uk> <ronald@ibmpcug.co.uk> <ronald@robobar.co.uk>
BTNet: +44 71 229 7741                    | Brambles are the order of the day.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: ed@maxed.amg.com (Ed Whittemore)
Subject: Re: Ethernet Card Advice for ISC Unix 3.0
Organization: American Micro Group, Ft. Lee  NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 09:07:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.140753.9039@uwm.edu> peter@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Peter J Diaz de Leon) writes:
>
>I am in the process of selecting ethernet (16 bit 10base-T) cards for our
>Unix box which runs ISC Unix Version 3.0
>Does anyone have any recommendations on which of the many
>cards supported by ISC work the best.
>
>Thanks
>Peter
>peter@miller.cs.uwm.edu
>

The new SMC versions of the WD80(x)3 cards work for 10baseT, but have
broken the AUI/BNC interface.

Ed Whittemore   uupsi!maxed!ed   ed@maxed.amg.com
American Micro Group, Inc.   201-944-3293
-- 
Ed Whittemore   uunet!maxed!ed   ed@maxed.amg.com
American Micro Group, Inc.   201-944-3293
From: stephane@spxtech.qc.ca (Stephane Laroche)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: YP related question for SysVr4 (Consensys)
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:38:44 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 650

I've been trying to use the yellow pages (or whatever the new name is)
on a Consensys machine.  I've been able to run the server (ypserv) and the
client (ypbind).  Now, I only want to use the yp to get a common passwd
file for our network but I couldn't find how to include the yp passwd map
in the standard /etc/passwd file (ie, '+' doesn't work).

Of course, when I called Consensys about it, they suggested that I look at
the Sun Networking manuals which I don't have.  

Anyone can point me in the right direction?


-- 
Stephane Laroche,                 Securiplex Technologies Inc.
Stephane.Laroche@spxtech.qc.ca    Montreal, Quebec     CANADA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: SCO support (was: How to replace disk driver in SCO Unix ?)
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 00:52:50 GMT

fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:

>Something is funny here. If you are speaking for this huge corporation, they 
>could surely afford to have a support contract in place that can be used with 
>SCO direct. 

Why should I buy a support contract from SCO? So I can report bugs to them
and never get them fixed?

I've had a problem with SCO's named dumping core for over a year now.
Do I have a fix? No. 

Why pay several hundred dollars to SCO when they don't even fix their
products that have major problems.

MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances 
--    UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd  /   are you won't either...
-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              /
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: FAS 2.10 async driver
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:43:13 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug31.161120.1946@media.uucp>, rmf@media.uucp (Roger Fujii) writes:

| Actually, there is another one.  Use "usa" as FAS's distribution
| since it seems that it is only the Europeans that are complaining...

  Pretty tough stuff, since I believe it originates in Europe. 

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.questions
From: steveh@zentronics.ca (Steve Haller)
Subject: Re: MDQS for SCO UNIX available? 
Organization: Zentronics Head Office, Mississauga, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 00:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.155028.11774@wam.umd.edu> geo@wam.umd.edu (Varghese George) writes:

>PS:  Is there a newsgroup for SCO UNIX in particular?

Yes,

biz.sco.general
biz.sco.announce
biz.sco.opendesktop
biz.sco.sources
biz.sco.binaries

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve Haller           steveh@zentronics.ca / uunet.ca!zentron!steveh
Systems Engineer,      Zentronics Toronto,  "Authorized SCO APC"
Tel: (416) 507-2600
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: ed@maxed.amg.com (Ed Whittemore)
Subject: Re: SCSI vs fast SCSI
Organization: American Micro Group, Ft. Lee  NJ
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:53:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.184852.22602@sherpa.uucp> rac@sherpa.uucp (Roger Cornelius) writes:
>I posted this to comp.periphs.scsi and received zero replies, so
>now I'm trying here.
>
>
>In the case of hard disk drives, does fast SCSI provide a significant
>performance increase over plain SCSI?  One controller vendor suggested
>that fast SCSI pushes the envelope and is more succeptible to failure
>and for our purposes will provide no benefit.  Their controller
>supports fast SCSI, but they claim plain SCSI will perform just as
>well for our application (Unix server with disk attached to intelligent
>caching controller).
>
>Can anyone comment?
>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Roger Cornelius            rac@sherpa.UUCP         ...!uunet!sherpa!rac

There are both faster and not-faster 10 MHz SCSI bus bandwidth (fast
SCSI) drives. The trick is that the internal transfer rate of the drive
must take a jump as well for the speed to show up in real thruput
improvements. However, for truly fast SCSI2-F drives such as the
HP 2247 and 3010, which have internal rates approaching 40 MHz, you
see an actual doubling of the speed of copies thru the filesystem,
over say, a Seagate ST 4767N, a Maxtor P0 or P1, or other 5 MHz
bus drives with 20 to 30 MHz internal rates.

Ed Whittemore   uupsi!maxed!ed   ed@maxed.amg.com
American Micro Group, Inc.   201-944-3293
From: ellis@epca.UUCP (Ellis Carter)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: SCO vs Any Other Unix
Keywords: SCO vs Any Other Unix
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:38:33 GMT
Organization: Ellis Carter Associates, Metairie, LA

I am contemplating buying SCO ODT or SCO Unix.  I have heard from one person
that SCO is not as good as some of the other flavors.  I may be opening myself
up for a large response, but could anyone comment on this?  I realize that this
may have been covered extensively or may even be an FAQ.  I would appreciate
any comments to this subject.  If there is any large response, I will
summarize.

Please send all replies to ellis@epca.wpg.com  Thanks in advance for your 
comments.

-- 
Ellis Carter
Internet:           ellis@epca.wpg.com
New Orleans, LA     (504) 456-2245
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: rbt@tous.oau.org (Robert B. Tate)
Subject: Re: 9track 1/2" tape drives
Organization: Tate Enterprises
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:34:36 GMT

In article <17seloINNk6i@smaug.West.Sun.COM> jackn@caspianc.ism.isc.com (Jack Neman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.233443.10923@tous.oau.org> rbt@tous.oau.org (Robert B. Tate) writes:
[.....]
>>Along the same lines, I have a Cipher (F880?) 1/2", 9 track tape drive
>>that I could use also. Is there an interface converter to let it run on a
>>SCSI bus (Adaptec 1540B) or would it be better to try to find direct
>>interface to it like the above drive?
>>
>>My stats:
>>	ISC V3.2 r 3.0, 486/33 NoName, w/16meg mem, DPT ESDI controller
>>	running 2 330Meg ESDI drives, Archive 499 (60meg QIC).
>>
>>Any pointers and/or info will be of great interest.
>>
>
>	Interactive release 3.0.1 now supports HP-Cipher or NCR-Cipher
>	9 track tape drives for Adaptec 1540B. You also can get a patch
>	for your release 3.0 to make the HP-Cipher or NCR-Cipher tape 
>	drive for your Adaptec 1540B. I don't know if Cipher (F880?)
>	is the same as NCR-Cipher or HP-Cipher or not.
>
The Cipher F880 is not a scsi drive. It will need an adaptor of somesort
to go between the Adaptec and the drive to make it work. It is good to
know that ISC is looking to support some 1/2" drives though....


-- 
 rbt@tous.OAU.ORG  (Robert B. Tate)       | A little knowledge is a dangerous
 {ucf-cs,peora,tarpit}!tous!rbt           | thing. Any less can kill you.
From: jessea@homecare.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Using FAS with Esix 4.0.4.
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:40:07 GMT
Organization: G.O.D Inc.

I installed the latest FAS driver that was posted here by Uwe and I
found that when a uucp connection was established that it immediately
dropped the connection when uucico tried to negotiate the protocol.
Any ideas what could be causing this?
-- 
      Jesse W. Asher                                   Phone: (901)762-6000
                         Varco-Pruden Buildings
	      6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN  38119
 Internet: jessea@homecare.COM                 UUCP: ...!banana!homecare!jessea
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: dlparker@dlpinc00.rn.com (David L. Parker)
Subject: ISC 3.01
Organization: Automated Data Management Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:33:49 GMT

Does the 3.01 upgrade include a new getty??
-- 
Dave Parker
Automated Data Management Services, Pleasant Hill, MO 64080-1331
(816) 987-5167/5218 voice/fax
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: pat@abtlabs.uucp (Patrick Conroy)
Subject: Tape Drive Recommendations?
Organization: Abbott Laboratories
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:50:36 GMT


My new system is coming in soon (thanks to all who helped with
suggestions) and I'm worried about getting a tape drive for it.

I'd like some more suggestions from the community please.


The hardware:  Gateway i486, EISA, Adaptec 1742 SCSI
The software:  Interactive ISC V3.0   (and mebb'e Solaris when it ships)


Can someone recommend tape backup units that won't cost me an
arm and a leg!   I don't care about speed -- this is for home use.
Nor do I really care about capacity: 40, 120 would be ok. 250 would
be great!

Do I *have* to get a SCSI tape?  Or would a "floppy" tape drive work?
Would an IDE tape device peacefully coexist with the Adaptec card?

Do any of those nice cheap tape drives at CompUSA or Computer City
work with Unix?
      - Irwin Plus 120 or 250         - Mountain FS4000
      - Colorado "Jumbo" 120 / 250    - Archive "Accutrac +"?
      - Wangtek

Finally -- who are you buying your tape drives from?

Thanks again - Patrick
=============================================================================
Patrick Conroy                   Internet: pat@doc.abbott.com
Abbott Laboratories           AnotherINet: pat@turing.abbott.com
P.O.B. 152020              YetAnotherINet: 75016.3500@CompuServe.com
1921 Hurd Drive   2-27       TelephoneNet: (214) 518-6738             The sky
Irving, TX 75015-2020              FAXNet: (214) 518-7469           is cryin'
From: sts6f@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Sonya Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Dell Xmach problem - ADDENDUM to previous message
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:09:18 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia
Originator: sts6f@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU


In my previous message, the error output was not included. After
setting SERVER to equal Xmach(uncommenting the appropriate line) in
the file xserverrc; these are the errors that are produced when I try
to start X:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

X386 Version 1.2 / X Windows System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)


Fatal server error: no screens found giving up.
xinit:  Software caused connection abort (errno 130):  unable to
connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks in advance,
S.T. Smith

-- 
Sonya T. Smith
Department of Mechanical, Aerospace, and Nuclear Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22901
From: ron@pageworks.com (Ron Creamer)
Subject: Cheap 4,8 port 16550AFN Boards for FAS?
Reply-To: ron@pageworks.com (Ron Creamer)
Organization: PageWorks Electronic Publishing Centers
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:46:01 GMT
Keywords: 16550 FAS SCO

Does anybody know of any good, low to medium cost, 4 to 8 port multi
port serial cards suitable for use w/ FAS on SCO 3.2 (rel 4.1) or ODT
2.0?

I need to connect to a large variety of devices at high speed with
full hardware flow control.

Thanks -Ron

___________________________Ron Creamer_______________________________
PageWorks Electronic Publishing Centers | Internet: ron@pageworks.com
36 JFK St., Cambridge, MA 02138         | Voice: 617/886-2943
50 Broad St., Boston, MA 02109          | Voice: 617/345-5466
From: rmf@media.uucp (Roger Fujii)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: FAS 2.10 async driver
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:11:20 GMT
Organization: Media Cybernetics, Inc.

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>I marvel but am not surprised at the attitude that the whole network
>should be pulled down to the lowest common denominator of some low-
>budget leaf site.  If you want to play, you gotta pay.  If you can't 
>pay what it takes to participate in this overwhelmingly American 
>network, you have several options:

[Rest deleted]

Actually, there is another one.  Use "usa" as FAS's distribution
since it seems that it is only the Europeans that are complaining...
-- 
Roger Fujii - Media Cybernetics        	Phone: (301)495-3305 x259
Internet: rmf%media@uunet.uu.net        UUCP: {uunet,hqda-ai}!media!rmf
From: kent@exodus.reuters.com.sg (kent)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Graphics Performance in SVR4
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:02:48 GMT
Organization: Reuters Singapore



I am running X windows in SVR4(ISC) is there any way to upgrade the
graphics performance by adding a graphics accelerator ?  Is the
accelerator compatible with other favours of SVR4 such as Destiny and
ESIX? What is the maximum resolution of accelerator, I want something
better than 800x600(16kcolors).
Please send your response to 
kent@exodus.reuters.com.sg