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From: wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW question [Hey Sean - Hit "N"]
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:13:06 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Oct01.223642.5836@CS.ORST.EDU>,
foleye@CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes: 
> In article <BvF87z.8rs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>>wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>
>>>Not getting WCW on television, and having not been on this network
>>>from April until a few weeks ago, I missed the removal of Kip Frey
>>>and the induction of Bill Watts. I've read the network, in the hopes
>>>of finding out the reason for this [after all, don't want to clog
>>>up the network with bandwidth-wasting, "newbie" questions that might
>>>cause Mr. Ryan intestinal cramps], but have seen nothing, beyond
>>
>>>Hope I didn't cause any headaches, urinary infections, or painful
>>>itching from hemeroidal flare-up due to my "newbie" question...
>>
>>I can understand that without Phil S. around this year, it's
>>tempting to dump on the easiest available target.  And Sean
>>seems to be drawing fire.  But why don't we all just let it rest
>>and get back to discussing pro-wrestling?  It's much more interesting.
>>
> 
> Anyone who is going to continue, it should be known that there IS, in fact,
> a newsgroup called alt.flame.sean-ryan, so if you really want to do so move it
> there, please.

Awfully nice advice, folks, but how about answering my question?

Frank
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From: Mark Byrne <M.Byrne@compserv.utas.edu.au>
Subject: Ulimate Warrior's Offensive Moves
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:27:15 GMT
Organization: Uni. of Tasmania at Launceston
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:25:45 GMT

After watching Summer Slam last night at the local pub
I am impressed with the improvement in the Ultimate Warriors repertoire
of moves.

He now has 16 distinctive moves that he made in his match with Savage. (
Offensive moves....no repeats....)

The question I pose to  all readers of R.S.P-W is 

What are those 16 different moves ?

Cheers

Mark Byrne
Email :- M.Byrne@compserv.utas.edu.au

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* "Through Muck and Slush, Mud and Mush, the CHAMPION will fight on" *
*                    - The GROSS GLADIATOR, 1992                     *
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From: cochenet@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Graham Cochenet)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:04:50 GMT
Subject: Wrestlers are smart
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling

In a nationaly syndicated column by L.M. Boyd, he states that
if you measured the intellegence of all participants in pro
sports wrestlers would be at the top!!!!!! Of course boxers come
in at the bottom.
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: BOB BACKLUND IS BACK!!!!
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:34:28 GMT

In article <mjenkins.717723232@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>In <Bv9CC1.GsE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>
>
>>It's nice that they've acknowledged the history of the sport.  As
>>a relative newcomer to professional wrestling fandom, I wish they
>>would've provided more details in the clips from Backlund's past.
>>Identifying his opponents in each clip would have been a nice
>>start.
>
>Well the blond guy being whipped into the turnbuckle really hard is
>Pat Patterson. The guy being rolled up with the back-bridge cradle is
>(I think) Frank Williams, a prelim bum.
>


I should think it would be the other way around!  ;^)



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From: Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WCW screw up
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 23:47:24 EST
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Keywords: WCW tag belts
Summary: Time got out of joint...
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WCW screwed things up a little tonight. In the advertisement for Halloween
Havoc, Jim Ross talked about Windham/Rhodes being the new WCW tag champs
defending the belts against the Steiners.

Buuuuut.... the match for the tag belts hasn't aired yet. Oops.

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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: Windham heel turn, bet the rent!
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:43:04 GMT

In article <1aqvhnINNaf0@maggie.cs.widener.edu> andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert An
dracsek) writes:
>Sting/Eddie Gilbert?!?  When did this happen?  Last I knew, gilbert
>was one of the USWA's bigger heels...  (yes, it was a while ago...
>back around the car incident with the King)
>
>--
>|R. Andracsek  |  andra@cs.widener.edu  |  Voice (215)447-0412
>|  Coach:"Do you think losing is funny?!?"
>|  Player:"Not at first, but once you get the hang of it..."
>|                 ---The Mighty Ducks

In 1989 when Gilbert was with NWA/WCW he was a face. He teamed with Rick 
Steiner as well.
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Razon on PrimeTime
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:15:15 GMT

In <1a9vlhINNg6r@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> mrmoore@vaucanson.EBay.Sun.COM (Mike Moore) writes:

>I loved Scott Hall's comments last night on PrimeTime!

>He called Hillbilly Jim "hayseed" and Duggan "Jacksaw"!

I don't get to see Prime Time in Canada....what context was there fore
the Hillbilly Jim comment? Don't tell me he's coming back!?!?!
Nooooooo....

Michael
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From: rschwabe@ravel.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Subject: Re: How to make the WWF better (10 ways if possible)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:30:23 GMT

 a follow up to my original report.  When I said the three strikes as in the 
wrestlers that the WWF has brought in , I meant it as three strikes to the WWF.
I feel that L.O.D., Sid Justice , and possibly Razor (hey maybe they will use 
him well...........YEAH RIGHT and Hulk Hogan has gone off steroids and looks
'smaller than Bobby Heenan) have all failed in the WWF as their potential would
suggest.

Also I do not expect Vince to do too many of these (the only one which I really pray for is to bring in Dangerously) because he thinks that he knows what real 
wrestling is (HA HA HA!!!!!!!).

Thank you all for your replys though.
	The interpretations of my comments were hysterical (this is not sarcasm)

Chowder Dudes
Robert J . Schwabe
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Manitoba Mayhem! (Winnipeg version)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.175228.9843@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>
>6. Maximillian Mure (?) vs. Jerry Hocks (?)
>
>Max comes in multi-colored outfit and mask.  Some of the moves remind me
>of Jushin Liger.  Came across as a face, but the crowd wasn't really sure
>how to react to him.  Several good moves, Max wins with a front somersault
>while Hocks is on his shoulders.  (Max seemed fairly well built in the
>upper body, had a ponytail coming out of the back of his mask.)

Well, if they are going to be using all the matches from Winnipeg on TV,
there is going to be some overdubbing done (big surprise!) as 'Max' here
is none other than Komet Kid.  Finally had a reference for him.  

     Daryl <umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca

>
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Jake Roberts
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:17:14 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Oct2.160854.2348@guinness.idbsu.edu> bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu (Bruce Carter) writes:

>In article <92272.07363634ALJYP@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
><34ALJYP@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>> Last week I was Watching WCW and Heard Jake Roberst give a speach that
>> went something like this. "It's not the beginning, It's not the end, It's
>> not the Beginning of the end, but just the end of the beginning."
>> Well I rented an old survivor searies (5).  and Lo and behold Jake gave
>> the same speech towards Randy savage.  Is this speech a trademark of
>> Jakes??  or just a coincidence.
>>
>> I'm surprised Old Vince hasn't tried to copyright this speech.
>> but then again if he could, he would.
>
>That's a quote in a science fiction movie (Millennium, I believe), and they may
>have quoted it from somewhere else as well.
>                                     <->

Jake seems to be good at taking obscure & wicked sounding clips from
other sources and using them - I had mentioned a couple of Ozzy
Osbourne lyrics which have found their way into his interviews. I
wonder if someone took lots of horror films and heavy metal lyrics
and matched them to Jake's interviews, there might be more than 
just a few matches.

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From: andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Windham heel turn, bet the rent!
Date: 5 Oct 1992 23:01:11 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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Sting/Eddie Gilbert?!?  When did this happen?  Last I knew, gilbert
was one of the USWA's bigger heels...  (yes, it was a while ago...
back around the car incident with the King)
 
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|  Player:"Not at first, but once you get the hang of it..."
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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW screw up
Keywords: WCW tag belts
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:02:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>  Getting back to Winham/Rhodes vs. Steiners.  This match isn't going to
>  take place at Halloween Havoc because Rick Steiner is injured.  Next
>  weekend, they are going to change the match to Windham/Rhodes vs. Gordy/
>  Williams.
> 
>  Rob C.


   This match was already announced on the TBS 9:00 am show this weekend.  
Since Gordy and Williams will be in Japan on October 25 (I believe), the tag
team title match was announced to be Windham/Rhodes vs. Steiners.  Now,
because Rick Steiner is injured, this casts some doubt on whether this will
actually be the final matchup or not.  But, that was what was announced.

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Eric M. Chmiel**********************************
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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WRESTLING IS A SHAM  !!!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:10:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <15677@borg.cs.unc.edu>, burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes...
>In article <90574@netnews.upenn.edu> THe Man who knows writes:
>>I hope you all know that :-)
> 
>	Ever wonder if anyone posts similar messages
>	to rec.arts.sci-fi or rec.soaps or whatever?
>	"I hate to break this to you fiction fans, but
>	it's all made up!"
> 
>	Get a life, pal.
> 
>	--rb

   Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!  I am ecstatic someone brought this up.  I've been
saying for years that wrestling is no more of a sham than the movie 
industry.  Both are scripted.  The only difference is that wrestling is 
presented in such a way that no clue is ever given that it is booked.  Every
mode it is presented in makes it *seem* as if the illusion is real.  Thus
wrestling is the most perfect form of theatre that has ever existed in the
history of mankind.  Can you think of anything else that is presented as
being completely real (down to the smallest detail) but that everyone knows
is booked?   Don't tell me Roller Derby; that's just a pre-fab rip-off of
wrestling's underlying theme.  
   Not to mention that good wrestlers are much more exciting than any
Shakespearean actor I've ever seen.  And the best are better athletes than
any football or baseball player.  

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Eric M. Chmiel*********************************
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From: CDPYHTIL@MTUS5.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Backlund returns!!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:07:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.


     Vince McMahon actually acknowledged past history with the announcement
that Bob Backlund is returning to the WWF.  They actually showed pre-Hogan
stock footage!  And this is from the same man who altered the Royal Rumble
footage to drown out the cheers for Sid Justice!  I wonder if Backlund will
have a special gimmick or will it just be like the situation with Patera and
Graham a few years back.  Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how close McMahon
lets him get to the World title.  Backlund vs. Flair, Backlund vs. Warrior,
Backlund vs. Hogan whenever Hogan comes back...any of those would be cool.
But I wonder how the marks will react to him.  Anyway, Vince could have a good
thing going if he doesn't screw it up like he usually does.

                                       Chris Pyhtila
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: Kensuke Sasaki Coming to WCW
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Reply-To: jewell@Data-IO.com
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:54:25 GMT

In article <BvB63F.6MC@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
#In article <Bv81DA.Cw4@acsu.buffalo.edu>, Eric Chmiel writes:
#
#>   There's been some excitement about Backlund's return to the WWF, but for
#>my money much more intriguing news comes from WCW.  Tonight on TBS, they
#>showed a promotional clip of Kensuke Sasaki and announced that he would be
#>coming to WCW soon.  The way they played him up, they gave the impression
#>that Sasaki, unlike several other Japanese wrestlers who have come to WCW,
#>would be sticking around for awhile and playing a major role in the promotion.
#

[...snip...snip...]

#What makes it all the more tragic is that you're right--Sasaki will have ten
#times as many great matches, but probably against individuals who can't 
#wrestle his style, so he'll have to adjust to US style.  And we all know what
#happens when that doesn't work out...Pffffffffffffft! Right back to New Japan!

Which begs the question: "how long will established Japanese wrestlers
keep coming to work in WCW/WWF?"

Why do they keep coming? Is the money THAT good? The crowds are smaler
and are less appreciative of the "Japanese style" of wrestling. They
are usually booked as the same old tiresome thing: sneaky Slant Eyes[tm]
from The Orient with a martial-arts background. Moreover, their talents
are wasted when booked against 98% of the US talent.

Of course, the notable exception is Liger. His gimmick and phenominal
work rate and ability didn't give the bookers much of an opportunity 
to Muta-ize him.

It can't be the booking, nor can it be the phenominal crowd support,
nor can it be the chance to work with some of the best in the world.
What is it?

#
#My greatest fear is some stooooooooopid heel ninja gimmick or something (i.e., 
#maybe he'll be a "salt-throwing sneak"), but fortunately I didn't get that 
#impression from the salute to Kensuke this weekend...


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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: The Sheik and Juice (was Re: Vintage Wrestling Tape
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Oliver Postlethwaite) writes...

>Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a match where the Sheik
>hasn't juiced? The poor old guy must been in such rough shape.
> 
>I've said it before and I'll say it again, my friend tasted the Sheik's
>blood at a card I saw with him. He didn't believe it was real. Now he does.


  Well Oliver, I don't even want to know how your friend came to taste the
Sheik's blood, but here's an interesting thought:  The Sheik is still going
at age 61, wrestling for the extremely violent shoot promotion Frontier
Martial Arts in Japan.  He just had a match against Atsushi Onieta which was 
a barbed-wire match.  Now you might say a barbed-wire isn't so bad because
the ring ropes always stop you from actually hitting the barbed wire.  Well,
they took care of that: for this match, the ring was surrounded by barbed wire
and the ring ropes were removed!  I've heard it was a lousy match (what do
you want, the guy's 61 years old) but the very thought of what must have   
happened in this match (judging by the rep of Frontier Martial Arts) is very
stomach-turning.

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From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: Re: Jake Roberts
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:57:42 GMT

>>> "It's not the beginning, It's not the end, It's
>>> not the Beginning of the end, but just the end of the beginning."

The quote was originally from Winston Churchill, although stated better.

Jeremy Billones				billones@grebyn.com
From: Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Knights & Gladiators
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 16:53:42 EST
Reply-To: uunet!tension!birdland!andy
Keywords: New TV show
Summary: Is that Roma?
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The success of "American Gladiators" has resulted in a bad rip-off called
"Knights and Warriors." This has a more medieval feel to it. One of the
male opponents looks a lot like Paul Roma. Has anyone else seen this show?

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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Slick Ric always a heel? (Was: Questions...
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 22:26:46 EDT

In article <1992Sep24.161851.18871@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika) writes:
 
>>I think that was 1985.
>>
>
>Calling Flair a heel during that time would be questionable.  At least in
>Mid-Atlantic, wher his feud with Nikita started, he was pretty much a
>face.  He ran in and saved David Crockett after Nikita sickled him (Crockett)
>for gods sake.  That set up Flair/Koloff with Crockett as referee at Bash 85.
>It seems Flair would wrestle to whomever his opponant was back then.  He'd
>be a heel against Rhodes in Georgia, face against Race in St. Louis, heel
>against a Von Erich in Texas, face against Nikita in North Carolina...
 
I don't remember Flair wrestling so many heels during that period.
But, then, I'm lucky to remember 1985 at all. . . .
 
>That was *truely* Flair at his best.
 
Agreed.  I'd like to see Watts try this sort of booking with Ron
Simmons: have him wrestle, and pin, both heels and faces.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Razon on PrimeTime
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:54:22 GMT


< From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)

< I don't get to see Prime Time in Canada....what context was there fore
< the Hillbilly Jim comment? Don't tell me he's coming back!?!?!

The format of Prime Time is a roundtable discussion. Well, actually, it's a
square table.  Vince McMahon sits at the head of the table (where else?). On
his right are his 2 face-analysts, Hacksaw Jim Duggan & Hillbilly Jim. On his
left are his 2 heel-analysts, Bobby "the Brain" Heenan and Mr. Perfect, Curt
Hennig.  

The 5 of them will engage in various discussions inbetween the matches on the
show. Lately, they've been doing a segment where a wrestler is "hooked up"
via live satelite feed, from some remote tv station, like in Florida.  Most
likely, the guy is in the next studio, if not the same studio.

Anyay, Scott Hall/Diamond Studd/Razor Ramon was in one studio, in Miami
FLA, I think, and Macho Man Randy Savage was in aother, in Sarosota FLA.
They were debating each other, with Vince McMahon serving as the remote
moderator of the discussion between the 2 wrestlers.

Gorilla Monsoon, the Doctor of Style - Reverend Slick, and Rowdy Roddy Piper
have sat in in the past as face-analysts, but Hillbilly & Hacksaw are the 2
current faces on the show.
From: klr5824@hertz.njit.edu (The REAL Rambo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: "Nature Boy" Steve Austin
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:35:38 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

>(3)  Has it been sloppy booking but weren't there a couple of Nature
>Boys around at the same time without any real feuding about who was the 
>World's Real Nature Boy (tm) (was it Flair and Landel in the NWA or WCW?)?
>-- 

If memory serves me correctly (and it rarely does), these two did feud for
a little bit in the NWA.  Back then I was a *total* mark, and even I knew
that Flair should kick the crap out of Landel, and I wanted to see it happen.
But I don't think they really played it up too much.

--Ugly Kid Kurt Ramblin' Rambo