HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ai984@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Brayton)
Subject: Wanted: mail/news feed in Rochester NY area
Reply-To: kgb8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Kevin Brayton)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:40:13 GMT


I'm looking for a small news feed and a mail feed in Rochester NY.
The newsfeed would be approximately 15-20 groups and the mailfeed would
be for 3 machines (all small).  

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.

Kevin Brayton
(716)272-1939
kgb8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu
 
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From: david@Bogus.COM (David Grant)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Any rational reason for sendsys?
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 19:01:25 CST
Organization: Bogus.COM -- Public Access Network Services

fenner@jazz.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> Ok, David, so I guess it's OK if I forge a sendsys from "sendsys@bogus.com"..
> so not only will you have to pay for the responses to come in, you have to
> pay for all the bounces that go back out.

I have created a sendsys account already, it will trash everything that comes
in there.  :-)


->David Grant  (David@Bogus.COM) via CyberSpace Cafe (501) 525-1681 14.4k DS
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: dsbarr@perl.cs.psu.edu (Dave Barr)
Subject: Re: Possible suspect for forged sendsys messages
Reply-To: dsbarr@cs.psu.edu
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.161739.8861@cattnts> craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Apr03.020258.10633@gozer.mv.com> klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) writes:
>>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>Another poster at PSU who uses the pseudonym "Steely Dan" (a rather
[..]
>
>>> Anyone at PSU care to comment?
>
>>I complained to the admins at PSU about "Steely Dan"'s behavior.  They
>>very tersely said that they'd look into it.  Never heard anything
>>more.

Who did you complain to?  What information did you include?  What did
you ask for?

>>Once again, the poster children at PSU live up to their bad rep.

Yeah, we do have a bad rep, I'll give you that.  I can name the people
who gave us that rep, too.

>I'm unfamiliar with the rep, but if one of my nodes was repeatedly causing
>problems, I'd cut them off.  I don't need or want the associated hassle.

>Basically, if a sysadmin can't control his system, then I don't want him
>connected to mine.  Did anyone contact PSU's feeds?

Whoa folks.  Let's not get out of hand.  If you have a problems with
someone at PSU, talk to US, not our feeds.  I'm not a news admin, but
I'd be happy to help out here.  I honestly can say that I know 95% of
the net.personalities here at PSU and I have never heard of this "Steely
Dan" person.  If he really is obnoxious can someone send me recent
articles?  PSU does not allow ANY anonymous posting, and tries VERY hard 
to track down all forgeries.   All our NNTP hosts are for trusted PSU sites 
only.  (although one site here did allow IHAVE's until recently.)

If someone really has a serious problem, contact news-admin@cs.psu.edu.
You WILL get an answer.  (I'm on the list)  If you just don't like
this "Steely Dan" person, then no one can help you.

--Dave
-- 
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dsbarr@cs.psu.edu    | number of odd jobs.
Xref: sparky news.admin:3503 news.groups:9898 control:23646
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,control
Subject: Re: rmgroup misc.security
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:56:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In <666@ftp.com> hobbit@pyrite.rutgers.edu (*Hobbit*) writes:

>This group hasn't seen any news for over a year and I still don't have any
>time to moderate the damn thing.  [Too busy slogging thru the NOISE on
>alt.security, y'know?]  If your news system isn't set up for automatic
>rmgroups and you feel uneasy about doing it, feel free to send mail to
>security-request@pyrite.rutgers.edu if you need assurance...

>_H*

This isn't exactly the way to drop a moderated group, is it?

Or is the a new newgroup/rmgroup war (or forgery)?
--
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216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
Ich bin ein Virus.  Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine .signature.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: scum@pcthree.com (Steve Monroe)
Subject: Re: 1st (?) senduuname bomb, and a fast fix
Organization: PC Three
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:34:59 GMT

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>We'd much rather have something that works even if the news admin is on
>vacation, sick, or simply not paying attention.

Since cnews is taking over the world, and uunet has become the repository
of the universe, why don't, in the next release of course, just have cnews
mail a copy to uunet on the first of every month.... ;-)

>-- 
>GCC 2.0 is to C as SVR4 is to Unix.     | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
>                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
-- 
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scum@pcthree.com             FAX:(703)406-2078                  P.O. Box 1644
                                                              Herndon, VA 22070
Xref: sparky news.admin:3519 gnu.epoch.misc:356
From: efb@slced1.nswses.navy.mil (Everett F Batey)
Newsgroups: news.admin,gnu.epoch.misc
Subject: Expire fails for Epoch Development Team .. GMT
Summary: B.News 2.11.14 choking on a _date_
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:21:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NSWSES, Port Hueneme, CA

For about a month my bidaily expires are producing complaints re
what looks to be part of the Date line .. appearing on the Org line
in my news headers .. Looking in gnu.misc.epoch there are only a few
Org lines with Epoch ... and none look like a Date line .. 

This goes back a month .. dont know from the errors out of expire
what NG this is in .. Sure would appreciate any clues on what has
gone amuk .. thnx 

/Ev/

 <> From root Fri Apr 10 04:18:20 1992
 <> Subject: Output from "cron" command

Your "cron" job

produced the following output:

expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"
expire: Unparsable date "Organization: Epoch Development Team, University of Illinois GMT"

--
 +  efb@suned1.nswses.Navy.MIL  efb@gcpacix.uucp  efb@gcpacix.cotdazr.org +
 +  efb@nosc.mil   WA6CRE    Gold Coast Sun Users   Vta-SB-SLO DECUS  gnu +
 +  Opinions, MINE, NOT Uncle Sam_s | b-news postmaster xntp dns  WAFFLE  +
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b
From: reggers@julian.uwo.ca (Reg Quinton)
Subject: Re: A different approach to sendsys.
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:29:44 GMT

I've been thinking about Felix's proposal and believe we can accomplish the
same thing in an easier fashion:

1. If you want to flood the net with sys files why not have everyone post
   a monthly article in news.config that gives their sys file. This can
   be at the system managers discretion -- in the same way that disabling
   sendsys is. Someone might choose to archive those postings.

2. If someone wants to know the network topology why not just scan all
   the Path: records that you have on your system and leave everyone else
   alone? Surely all the information is already on your system.
l


Newsgroups: usa.config,news.admin
From: gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Subject: usa.* propigation test
Lines: 9
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 92 20:55:55 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu

This is a test to see if the usa.* hiearchy will still get propigated
where it doesn't belong.

If you are reading this anywhere besides usa.config or news.admin,
please reply to me, and tell me how you got it (or guess).

I will try to clear up any bogus route this message takes.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: I've forged a cancel of a sendsys
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:05:11 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <20590@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F Haugh II) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.234439.15876@wpi.WPI.EDU> entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>Disclaimer: Opinions are based on logic rather than biblical "fact".   ------
> 
> Please remove this obnoxious statement from your messages.  You are
> insulting all people who have some form religious faith.

	First of all, even if it was an insult, he'd only be insulting 
those who believe the bible contains no errors (inerrantists). Religious 
faith includes those who don't believe in the bible 
(non-judeic/christian/moslem-derived religions) and those who don't 
believe the bible is literally true (such as myself). Second, he's simply 
stating that he doesn't believe that the bible contains factual 
information, and prefers to base his arguments on logic.
	-Allen
P.S. Since this discussion doesn't appear to belong on news.admin, I've 
set followups to talk.religion.misc.
Xref: sparky news.admin:3515 comp.mail.misc:1502 news.answers:1014
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: i for one don't really care who the hell you are Dork Knight
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:12:51 GMT

mike@vort.uucp (Mike Nemeth) writes:

>it's a pity that the net doesn't have long-term memory. can you imagine
>a job interview going like:

>"Your name sounds familiar. I know, you're one of the sendsys bombers that
> was abusing the net a couple of years ago. Well, Mr. Dork, thanks for
> coming in, we'll call you..."

But it does have a long-term memory.  I know of two cases where a
persons "antisocial" actions lost them job interviews and jobs.  One
person was involved in cracking his college's machine and got caught.
When he graduated with a 3.4 in CS from the same school it took 8
months for him to get a local job.  And no, the market was *not*
tight.  Most local employers (we *do* talk to each other, and to the
schools) knew of him and weren't inclined to be forgiving.

Another guy cracked a local bbs.  He went thru the usual cycle of
bullshit self-justification.  When he said, "hey, I've not hurt anybody
nor my reputation" two local computer managers told him they'd alerted
their personnel departments to reject his resume.  He never did get
local work.
-- 
 "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and taste
  good with ketchup."  seen on a button, author unknown
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: Sendsys - what's all the hubub?
Reply-To: cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:20:16 GMT

I just started my own small public access unix site, but I must confess
that I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  What exactly IS
a "sendsys bomb?"

Regards,

Chris

--------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing:  The only hobby perfectly tailored for
              |              anal retentive alcoholics.  :-)
--------------|              (ripped off from someone on the net...)
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: sendsys police and automated cancelling.
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:20:02 GMT
Reply-To: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Organization: Dept. of Biology, Columbia Univ., New York, NY


    Some people have been kicking around the idea of a sendsys police,
and I think it might work. I originally wanted it to be a human intervention
thing, but the idea of automated cancelling seems very attractive.

   First, auto-cancelors do work. They have been tried on alt.sex.pictures
several times. I witnessed the most recent usage, and it did seem to be
effective. The idea was to auto-cancel any non-uuencoded file from a.s.p.
While it was running, I didn't see any such articles appear. This was only
one site, presumably.
   Of course, this activity brought howls of protest. But in our case, as long
as nobody flies off the rails, there can be no better cause than to prevent
sendsys bombs.

   In case anyone is thinking of actually writing this program, there are some
things that I think could/should be included.
   The first thing is that real sendsys's should get through. In fact, it would
be good if the program detected distribution leaks, and sent a seperate mail
to the requestor saying that. This would help people in finding leaks.
   There are two ways to handle real sendsys's. On is for the police to get
e-mail from people who want to execute it. This has the problem that if
a police is inatentive, the program at thier site will kill the message.
   I think a better alternative is adding a new control message. Or maybe
a new header. The program would detect a control message like 'wantsys' and
add the users name to the approved list. E-mail will be sent to the return
address, giving the user time to scream if there is a sendsys bomb on the way.
After two days, the user would be approved to send a sendsys. Two days should
be long enough to stop a bombing, and short enough to avoid any real
inconvenience. At any time, the police could intervene to stop any sendsys
messages from a particular user. 
    If a person were so unpopular that they were getting multiple bombs,
the police could maintain an always-reject list for those who feel they will
never issue a sendsys.
   
     Participation in the sendsys police would be voluntary. As some people
have said, if a few major sites set this up, it might be sufficient.
     Comments? Does anybody object to this idea as a theory? Anybody want to
write the code?

DanZ

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narratives or ideas contained herein are not necessarily true, and do
not necessarily represent the views of any particular person.  
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: I've forged a cancel of a sendsys
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Mar31.204622.7063@clarinet.com> <ivlimr8@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 23:25:27 GMT

 Jeff> == Jeff Dauber <dauber@sgi.com> 

 Jeff> How about sendsys with an acknowledge, where it sends a message
 Jeff> to the person who the sendsys will reply to.  If that person does
 Jeff> not respond, the sendsys will not happen.

So the person gets buried in acknowledgment requests instead of sys files.
--
Christopher Davis <ckd@eff.org> |    ECONOMIC OBSERVATIONS DEPARTMENT
System Manager & Postmaster     |  "There's always something going out of
Electronic Frontier Foundation  |      business in Central Square."
+1 617 864 0665  NIC: [CKD1]    |   -Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@eff.org>
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: jaf@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (J Anthony Fitzgerald)
Subject: What newsgroups are currently active
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:46:17 GMT

I received a note last night because a user on our system had posted an
article to an apparently obsolete news group (comp.sys.amiga in this case.)
We run c-news on SunOS 4.1.2.  The c-news is patched to August 1991, so I
know it is not up to the latest release (I'm waiting until the summer when
I should have time to bring it up to snuff.)

Administering the UNIX system is just supposed to be a part of my duties
so I don't have as much time as I would like to learn everything that's
there.  Enough of the apologies.

I have noticed that the news software honours requests to create new news
groups automatically, however, does not honour news group deletion requests.
I assume this is the default behaviour of c-news.  Thus as newsgroups are
re-organized the obsolete groups tend to stay in my active file.  Observing
some of the recent activity (which looked like foolishness to me) with
respect to a constant stream of requests to change to moderated/unmoderated
create new groups, remove groups, I don't know if I want any of this stuff
to be automatic.  Yes, I've seen some of the recent posts on how to change
the c-news scripts to mail all such requests to the administrator for manual
handling and I'm seriously considering them.

My question is this.  Is there a place on the net where I can obtain an
official list of currently active groups in the non-alt hierarchy and the
more or less generally accepted "alt" groups?  I don't have time to follow
all the discussion and voting to see what groups have been recently created
or re-organized.  I suspect that my managers would be quite upset if they
realized how much of my time administering just news is consuming now.

I do read this list (at least the subject line of all articles) so will
appreciate either posted or emailed responses.  If there is sufficient
interest, I will post a summary.
-- 
J. Anthony Fitzgerald    jaf@UNB.ca	(506) 453-4573
Computing Services  UofNB  Box 4400	(506) 453-3590  (FAX)
Fredericton, NB,  CANADA,  E3B 5A3
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: nonconforming news Message-IDs of last week
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:08:14 GMT

Here is a list of Message-IDs rejected by twinsun's news software last week
because they do not conform to the Internet RFC 1036 and RFC 822 standards.
If a Message-ID from your site is on this list,
your news or mail software is probably broken and should get fixed.

Most of these IDs are not in Kenneth Herron's weekly posting,
because twinsun's Message-ID checker is more rigorous than his.
However, twinsun has only a partial newsfeed, so this list is incomplete.

<UlS=8`@.702158746@srvmp21>

<9204031425.AA20460@.n1.>

<9204061541.AA24193@>

<9204022231.AA20171@amd-1s.>
<9204062148.AA05615@amd-1s.>

<God.05yc@cave@sweden.eu.net>

<9203312300.AA02061@deneb.>

<jjjankow.1@jjjankow@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>

<Jeroen.Scheerder-31/03/92+11:26:20@McScheerder.phil.ruu.nl>

<Rob.vanGerwen-06/04/92+14:24:44@McVanGerwen>

<67*.S=eric14.OU=komsys.OU=tik.O=ethz.PRMD=SWITCH.ADMD=ARCOM.C=CH.@MHS>
<73*.S=eric14.OU=komsys.OU=tik.O=ethz.PRMD=SWITCH.ADMD=ARCOM.C=CH.@MHS>
<35*.S=emaldi.O=labein.PRMD=iris.ADMD=mensatex.C=es.@MHS>
<9*.S=masanz.OU=iit.O=upco.PRMD=iris.ADMD=mensatex.C=es.@MHS>

<kc=hs.702494550@morpheus>

<.9@ref2.law.csuohio.edu>

<"OW-HBEMEY"*@sprint.com>
<"PA-HBEMFC"*@sprint.com>

<9204021850.AA02652@wesley..qms.com>
<9204061603.AA00474@wesley..qms.com>
Xref: sparky news.admin:3454 alt.config:2824
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.config
Subject: Re: Starting alt groups?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:29:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr7.155829.24638@col.hp.com> friedman@col.hp.com (John Friedman) writes:

   What is the proper way to start an alt group?

Well, first of all, the right place to ask this question is in
alt.config rather than in news.admin.

Second, here's the blurb I saved from one of the previous times this
question was asked.  I *really* wish somebody who's active in
alt.config would start posting this periodically....

Article: 39419 of news.groups
Xref: bloom-picayune.mit.edu alt.config:5515 news.groups:39419
From: root@shamash.cdc.com (Super User)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: xrn Problems with : and & in Newsgroup Name
Keywords: xrn
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:27:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.41066
Distribution: usa
Organization: Control Data, Arden Hills, MN


  I have a number of users that are using xrn to access news.  Over the 
past cople of weeks they are having problems with newsgroups
  alt.music.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:
  alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.X.Y.&.Z.electrix.sunshine.mix
continually showing up in their .newsrc file and causing xrn to choke.
Apparently xrn doesn't like : and & characters.  I tried everything to
eliminate these newsgroups and any reference to them from the server
system that is serving these users.  The server system is running a 
B2.11 news.  Could anyone give me any suggestions or words of wisdom.
You can email to me if you wish at young@cdc.com.  Thanks for the help.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: Possible suspect for forged sendsys messages
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:39:25 GMT

I'd email this, but, quite frankly, I have NO CLUE as to where I should mail
it, other than postmaster@att.com

In article <1992Apr9.161739.8861@cattnts> craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell) writes:

An article with an utterly broken header.

	Newsgroups: news.admin
Path: kithrup!stanford.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!
		magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!
		qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!
		news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!geac!gjetor!herboid!
		cattnts!craig
	From: craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell)
	Subject: Re: Possible suspect for forged sendsys messages
	Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
	Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:17:39 GMT
	Message-ID: <1992Apr9.161739.8861@cattnts>
	References: <1992Mar31.231922.25413@reed.edu> <1992Apr03.020258.10633@gozer.mv.com>
	Lines: 33

"craig@cattnts" is not a legal address.  Even your message-id wants to hide
your proper site name.

*PLEASE* fix your software!

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "One form to rule them all, one form to find them, one
sef@kithrup.COM  |  form to bring them all and in the darkness rewrite the
-----------------+  hell out of them" -- sendmail ruleset 3 comment from DEC.
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
Newsgroups: news.admin