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From: everette@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Everette Allen)
Subject: MacX and kerberos...
Organization: NCSU Computing Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:23:15 GMT

I need some help understanding the mechanics of the kerberos protocol as it
relates to the MacX Xwindows server.  As I understand it MacX is not able to 
querry Xdm as some other servers do.  Instead, MacX users rsh to execute 
individual commands.  So I can fire up MacX and issue a: 
/usr/local/X11/xterm -display "display" and I will get an xterm alone which
lives and plays with my other mac windows.  Enter Kerberos... on our system
rsh is not kerberized so I get "login incorrect" because, I think, the rsh
is not looking in the Hesiod database to verify my password.  Is this correct?
If so where is the ftp archive for kerberized rshd (and ftpd, telnetd etc for
that matter) ??  Now the security issue.  IF I understand, any time that a
Xserver passes a password *not a ticket* over the net it is insecure from a
standpoint of kerberos.  Is this true?  I have seen a kerberos init for the 
Mac which is used with Nuntius (a mail reader which speaks to the kerberized
popd) and actually passes tickets like the mac was a kerberized unix box.
Does anyone know if this is correct information??   I would like to be able to
use MacX to allow me to login to machines in a kerberized realm just like I
was a hardwired Xstation (all the memory but no brains :-).  I am really not 
concerned that the password is clear text but if this could arranged...:-).
What are the real issues here??  Can Mac and PC Xservers coexsist with
kerberos in a fairly secure way (secure = clear text to clients on a *local*
net. like down the hall to the closet :-) ??  My whole goal is to use MacX to 
login to a kerberized realm and get the twm or mwm or vue stuff in a rooted 
window or what ever I want.  Telneting line mode and pointing the xdm or 
what ever back to my mac is unacceptable (all the same security issues with
none of the ease :).  Any help that I can get would be great.  EVerette
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson)
Subject: Re: can you anon-ftp on a mac?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:06:01 GMT

brabec@pysgjb.physics.ncsu.edu (Charles Brabec) writes:
>I've got a Quadra 700 running System 7 with NCSA telnet. I was wondering
>if there was some way to set the machine up as an anonymous ftp site?
>I mostly concerned with the security of such an arrangement. I'd like
>to have it accept anonymous logins, log the e-mail address passwords,
>limit read-only access to only one set of folders and perhaps allow 
>read-write access to one specific folder. I'd probably also like to 
>limit anon-ftp logins to off-hours when I'm not trying to use the machine
>myself.
>
>Has anyone done this, or at least attempted it? If so, please let me
>know how it turned out.

Hmm...try FTPd as the ftp server.  It's shareware, and I think its on
sumex.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: blimoges@sobeco.com (Bertrand Limoges)
Subject: Re: MacX Question
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:57:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.150717.29220@Arco.COM>, jrowney@arco.com writes:
> 
> I am using MacX 1.1.7 with an RS6000 workstation.  How does one map the delete
> key on the keyboard to backspace (currently applekey-H).  I seem to recall stty
> ek working on a Cray, but this seems not to work on the RS6000.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> John Rowney 
> 

Well I guess the standard thing is to put a line like
xmodmap -e "keysym Delete = BackSpace"  in your .xsession file. Read the man on
xmodmap for more info (a little 8-). However I'm using MacX 1.1.7 with an RS/6000
and don't need any special key mappings. You may have default mappings that
affect the delete key. Check the .xsession, and possibly a few ither startup
files.

Bertrand
--
Bertrand Limoges
Sobeco Ernst & Young, Montreal, Canada
Internet: blimoges@sobeco.com
I speak for myself, not for my employer.
From: skg102@applelink.apple.com (Scott George)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: What good is V32bis and ARA?
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:58:03 GMT

>In article <15112.2A603C62@zeus.ieee.org>, Rob.Dewhirst@f108.n280.z1.ieee.org (Rob Dewhirst) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> TIm Endres writes in a message to All on 10 Jul 92
>> 
>>  TE> I wonder if there is a problem (in general) with speeds over 
>>  TE> 9600 for ARA?!
>> 
>> I have no problems connecting my USR/HST/DS v.32bis to my friend's SupraFAX
>> v.32bis at 14400.  Timbuktu, print jobs, and everything else works just fine.
>>  
>> 
>> --  
>> =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
>>  Rob Dewhirst - Internet: Rob.Dewhirst@f108.n280.z1.ieee.org

Another problem with ARA at speeds over 9600 is that not all the modem cables
available for the Mac are wired for the hardware handshake required for these
speeds because the modem speed (14400) is slower than the serial port (19200).
What happens then is that the modem drops the CTS signal but the Mac does not
get the signal because the cable is not wired write. There are two ways to 
check for this. 1) The easy way is to use an Ohm meter and make sure that pin
1 of the DIN 8 (Mac) connector is connected to both pins 4 and 20 of the DB 25
(modem) connector. This is DTR on the Mac to both DTR and RTS on the modem
since the Mac drops the DTR to stop data transfer. Pin 2 on the DIN 8 should
be connected to pin 5 on the DB 25 (CTS).  Some cables have pin 2 wired to 
both pin 5 and pin 6 (which is the DCE ready pin) and when the modem drops the
CTS signal the other signal is still present so the Mac continues to send data
and overruns the modem. 2) The hard way is to establish a connection at 14400
baud and send a large file. Watch the lights on the modem and if the CS light
(that's what it is on a USRobotics) goes out and the send data light continues
to flash, the Mac is not correctly interpreting the signals the modem is
sending. Also, cables on both ends have to be checked. I personally tried four
cables before I found one that worked.

Scott
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:7508 comp.protocols.kerberos:558
From: doherty@msc.edu (David C. Doherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.kerberos
Subject: Re: MacX and kerberos...
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:54:53 GMT
Reply-To: doherty@msc.edu
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center

In article <1992Jul30.142315.9840@ncsu.edu>, everette@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Everette Allen) writes:
|> I need some help understanding the mechanics of the kerberos protocol as it
|> relates to the MacX Xwindows server.  As I understand it MacX is not able to 
|> querry Xdm as some other servers do.  Instead, MacX users rsh to execute 
|> individual commands.  So I can fire up MacX and issue a: 
|> /usr/local/X11/xterm -display "(display" and I will get an xterm alone which
|> lives and plays with my other mac windows.  Enter Kerberos... on our system
|> rsh is not kerberized so I get "login incorrect" because, I think, the rsh
|> is not looking in the Hesiod database to verify my password.  Is this correct?
|> If so where is the ftp archive for kerberized rshd (and ftpd, telnetd etc for
|> that matter) ??  Now the security issue.  IF I understand, any time that a
|> Xserver passes a password *not a ticket* over the net it is insecure from a
|> standpoint of kerberos.  Is this true?  

As I understand things, yes this is true.  Perhaps worse yet is that  
(I'm guessing ) most people run MacX with access control turned OFF.
So, they can easily be snooped.

|> none of the ease :).  Any help that I can get would be great.  EVerette

I posted something similar to this in comp.sys.mac.apps a few weeks ago.
Response: Nada.  Actually, I was wondering if future releases would
be able to handle Magic Cookies or at least xhost support.

I know that some of the MacX developers (used to?) read these groups,
and I would sure be really grateful if they'd give us some hints about 
where they are going with MacX viz. security issues. 

This stuff is really important.  Is anyone from Apple listening?

Thanks,

David C. Doherty
Minnesota Supercomputer Center
doherty@msc.edu
From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MAC BBS's -- Best ones are ????
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:07:38 -0500

  BE> From: edwards@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Edwards) 
  BE> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
  BE> Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. 
  BE> I know this is probably part of an FAQ somewhere, but what are
  BE> currently considered to be the best MAC BBS's (should have a least 
  BE> v.32bis) Some phone #'s and brief description of your experience with
  BE> the
  BE> boards would be appreciated.  Thanks.

      The best Mac BBS I've ever seen is in Suburban MD--The Twilight Clone. 
19
 lines, supports HST/V32/V32.bis, ~500 megs of software.  Also is a Fidonet
node
 with USEnet access (which is how I see this!). 301-946-8677 (2400 dial-in).
$50.00 year/2 hours per day.  Message bases don't require fee.  Online Visa/MC.

  BE> 
  BE> edwards@andy.bgsu.edu -- 
  BE> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
  BE> <<<<<<<<< edwards@andy.bgsu.edu  (ken jenkins as guest of Bruce
  BE> Edwards) 
  BE> century marketing corporation 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sigmond@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Sigmond)
Subject: KanjiTalk/JIS terminal programs?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:51:23 GMT

I am looking for a terminal program that supports Shift-JIS. Are there
any KanjiTalk (commercial or shareware) programs available? I'm trying
to access a Japanese information service called NiftyServe. We've got
a Mac IIfx running KanjiTalk 6.0.7.

E-mail or followups greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
-- 
E-mail: sigmond@leland.stanford.edu		steve@ast1.spa.umn.edu
        sigmond@mensch.stanford.edu		70640.2661@compuserve.com

<insert creativity here>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dhina@dxcern.cern.ch (Mourad Dhina)
Subject: help installing a BBS on an LC
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:18:43 GMT

Hello,
I have been trying lately to install MUBBS 1.1 on a mac LC attached
to a SUprafaxmodem plus ( ie V42/v42bis). the MUBBS notes strongly
recommend using a modem cable with carrier detect, but I suspect that
the cable that comes with the supra modem doesn't carry this feature.
anyway i managed to have somebody calling in but whenever he would logoff
and try to login in again, the modem would answer and hangs up immediately!
at the same time MUBBS goes hanging up modem ports. any clues on how
to fix this?
better: any hint on how to install a simple BBS on my mac LC, if yes,
where/how to get it? what about ARA? where to get it?
thanks in advance...
Mourad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: pkershaw@dce.com (Peter Kershaw)
Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac from Unix.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.dcom.lans
Organization: DCE
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.210208.1831@axis.fr>, phil@axis.fr (Ph. Mackowiak)
wrote:

> I have several Mac and a Unix machine on Ethernet.
> I am looking for a way to print on LaserWriter on the Mac from
> Unix  (In an other way, I want to see the printers as Unix devices).
> 
> Has anybody here have some good advice ?.

Yes, I am aware of such a device. It is a standalone box with ethernet
(thin, AUI, 10BaseT) and LocalTalk. Supports up to 6 LocalTalk printers.
LPR Daemon (per RFC 1179) is imbedded within the box. Also supports
printing from Macs on Ethernet to LocalTalk printer.

We also have an LPR software application for the Mac that allows Macs to
print to UNIX printers.

In the interest of good Internet etiquette, email me your postal mailing
address and I'll forward a brochure.

Peter Kershaw <pkershaw@dce.com>
Data Communication Engineering
2888 Bluff Street, Suite 161
Boulder, CO 80301
303-431-2233, 303-431-1140 fax, 303-829-5952 mobile
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele)
Subject: Re: NCSA Telnet 2.5 and bootp support
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:22:33 GMT

>In article <paul.252.712325275@ace.acadiau.ca>, paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul
>Steele) wrote:
>> 
>> Is there anyway to get the (non mactcp) NCSA Telnet 2.5 to use bootp.  We
>> have a centralized bootp server for distributing IP numbers but NCSA only
>> uses RARP.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>According to the docs, the bootp protocol is not supported in this version.

>You can try to put in support for bootp since the source code is freely
>available. 

Unfortunately we have no Mac programmers at this site that could program 
this easily, even with source code.  Programming is taught on PCs and Unix
only...

___
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Acadia University, Computer Centre            FAX: 902-542-4364
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada, B0P 1X0  Internet: Paul@ace.acadiau.ca
From: knapp@cs.utexas.edu (Edgar Knapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: NCSA Telnet cannot find config.tel?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 07:57:42 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

In article <jbrowne.711782511@void> jbrowne@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne) writes:
>knapp@cs.utexas.edu (Edgar Knapp) writes:

>>I definitely cannot confirm claims that Telnet has decent tech support. 

>Enjoy it while you can.  NSF has threatened killing Telnet several times.
>Why don't you just encourage them?
>
>Did you ever consider how many software packages NCSA produces?  Did you ever
>consider how many platforms our software runs on?  Did you ever consider that
>SIGGRAPH, one of the biggest events for us each year, is next week?  Did you 
>ever consider that the source code is available to you?
>
>Let's try a test... I'll mail you 300 letters a day.  See if you can respond to
>each one of them thouroughly.  That's what our Tech Support has to deal with
>every day.
>
>Hell, I'm supporting Telnet via programming and reading newsgroups on my own 
>time.  I don't get paid for this.  I believe in donating my time to improving
>software that's freely available.  
>
>People on the outside view NCSA as some hugh monolithic organization that has
>gods working for them.  Well, I can tell you that we aren't gods.  We're just
>regular people trying to keep up.



Here we go again. Instead of responding to my technical comments, all
you do is make excuses for why Telnet tech support is as lousy as it
is.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate your and everyone else's efforts
towards Telnet. But I strongly object to your defensive attitude.

The questions still stands. Why does Telnet refuse to run with
hardware=serial. Is the problem machine specific, system software
dependent, or what? I have ruled out INIT conflicts by disabling all
extensions and reproducing the problem. 

Is anyone running Telnet 2.5 or 2.5 beta successfully using
hardware=serial and SLIP?

My system is a Mac II, Sys 7.0.1, Tuner 1.1.1, VM, MODE 32.

Edgar

(knapp@cs.utexas.edu)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mulligan@decwrl.dec.com (Geoff Mulligan)
Subject: Re: phonetalk to ethernet
Organization: DEC Network Systems Lab
Distribution: comp
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:30:30

In article <MULLIGAN.92Jul22110420@future.pa.dec.com> mulligan@decwrl.dec.com (Geoff Mulligan) writes:

>   I am interested in connecting a couple of macs that are interconnected
>   via phonetalk/localtalk to a Unix box that has an ethernet connection.

>   What are my options?  I don't want to put ethernet cards in my macs
>   and I don't necessarily want to convert appletalk to tcp/ip via a
>   gatorbox.  I would just like to "bridge" appletalk from the phonetalk
>   to the ethernet.

A number of people have asked why I ruled out the gatorbox solution.
This was basically just an economic decision.

I plan to use CAP (it's free) on a Unix box and therefore I don't need
all of the functionality in a gatorbox, just appletalk to ethernet
bridging.  I would like some cheap way to do that.

If I have one Mac with an ethernet card can it bridge?  Can it do
anything else while forwarding packets?

	geoff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: abbott@pixel.kodak.com (Terry Abbott)
Subject: quickmail to x.400
Organization: InterNetwork Group, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:40:11 GMT

I'm looking for an x.400 gateway for Quickmail. One was listed with
the package of Quickmail we bought but when I called them (Touch 
Communications) the person that answered the phone said they had 
filed bankruptcy. Does anyone know if the x.400 product was picked 
up by another company or is there another x.400 gayeway for 
Quickmail?

Thanks,

Terry Abbott
Eastman Kodak
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ghost@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Agnostic Ghost)
Subject: Layers 1.0
Keywords: Layers 
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:54:45 GMT

I'm trying to get Layers 1.0 to work on the Unix side(actually running Ultrix
4.1). I made the default layers(the one which allows access to etc/utmp).
When I type in "layers", a dialog box comes up saying that "Encode Request
not received from host". After I hit return I'm back at my prompt and layers
hasn't started.
	I've looked in the layers docs and there isn't any explanation of error
messages so...

Any help appreciated(e-mail's best) :)

ps: Do any ftp sites have the Comm toolbox? I haven't been able to find it.

ghost@silver.lcs.mit.edu
ghost@gnu.ai.mit.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
Subject: Re: Compuserve from internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 08:58:01 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Jul29.140629.19596@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Jim Gaynor,
GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu writes:
>To access CompuServe interactively from the Internet:
>
>-	Telnet to <hermes.merit.edu>
>-	enter COMPUSERVE at the Host? prompt.
>
>Caveats:
>
>You cannot do file downloads via this connection, as it only passes
>7-bit ASCII data, not binary data.  

According to Merit, after connecting you can change the connection to
binary mode by sending a true "break" followed by a line
% remote binary on
and then may use your usual software to download. I've never tried this
myself, since I'm in Ann Arbor and have a local CompuServe number for
access.

I wanted to warn anyone accessing CompuServe in this way that the
connection Merit makes with Compuserve is a billed by CompuServe as a 
phone call on the Sprint network. CompuServe charges $11.70 extra
prime-time and $1.70 non-prime-time extra per hour for such a network
connection. That's still a great savings for those who usually connect
via the CIS network overseas, or non-prime-time for those for whom the
CIS network here is a long-distance call. 

As of this morning, by the way, only CIM 1.6 is available for downloading
from CompuServe; I'm sure Jim's information is right, but CIS still
hasn't made 2.0 available to the members. Possibly August 1st is the
release date?

Jeff
From: ratcliff@ucsd.edu (John Ratcliff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Anybody using DAL, does it work?
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:26:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: mokajava.ratcliff-280792150826
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: ucsd

I have just started playing with DAL, since our users here
are looking for ways to access remote databases on mainframes.

The apple 7.0 system manuals barely mention DAL other than they
have it, and to use it you may need to do some kludgy stuff with
renaming a preferences file to hosts.cl1, the excel 4.0 manual
thinks its host.cl1? (Is that ell one , ell ell, one ell or one one??)
I tried using Excel4.0 to make a new connection but just get a
"No valid host in DAL driver" message. I called microsoft but they
said I should call Apple.

I have lots of questions but no answers:

Is the documentation from APDA any good?
Is it really built into system 7 or do you have to install
  some other toolbox or driver?
Is there a MAC/TCP connection method?
Who else nows how to talk DAL, the manual says VAX and IBM
systems, surely this is Database Software dependant?
Does anybody have DAL working to a mainframe DB?

Thanks for any pointers.

John Ratcliff , UCSD
ratcliff@ucsd.edu
From: billy@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Billy McPherson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Freeze ups with MacTCP?
Keywords: Asante, TCP
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:51:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

I had a similar problem with all my network programs dying.  All was running
fine until one night I restarted my LC when suddenly nothing worked: NCSAtelnet
Fetch, nor even the Network control panel.  After giving over to frustration
my wife simply removed the System 7 Tuneup 1.1.1 and all was fine.  Of course,
this does not explain the problem that system 6 users are having.  I would
like to know if anyone figures out how to fix it.  I would like to reinstall
my Tuneup, but I would much rather have networking capabilities.

billy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: fullerto@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Subject: White Knight 11.11
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:23:19 GMT


        I have seen upgrade patches to take White Knight up to v11.14.
Unfortunately, I have version 11.11. The patch that I have found to go
to 11.12 is designed to come from 11.10! Does anyone know of a patch that
will get me out of 11.11?

                        Thanks

                                Tim F.
                                fullerto@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: ---------- Synchronous modem???---------
Date: 31 Jul 92 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Can somebody tell me what a synchronous modem is, and if it can be used with
a mac?  Is synchronous a standard modem, and can I use it to hook up
to the vax at my school?  

Thanks!
______________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: drz@po.CWRU.Edu (David R. Zinkin)
Subject: Eudora with kerberos?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:56:11 GMT


Does anyone know of a version of Eudora that works with kerberos?
If so, how do I get a copy?  (FTP should be OK, though I'd like to
know of other avenues as well.)

Please respond by E-mail as my time for reading this group is
decreasing rapidly.  (Not that my situation is unique... :-)

Thank you,
 -- David Zinkin

-- 
David R. Zinkin (drz@po.cwru.edu)           *  "Professor" is a title you
SUNY Buffalo School of Medicine             *   can be given.  "Teacher" is
Rochester General Hospital Radiology Dept.  *   a title you must earn.
CWRU Psychology and Chemistry (WR '92)      *   -- Me, after 4 years at CWRU