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From: amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Flying/Camping the Sierras: Columbia
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:27:49 GMT
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D

(Barney Lum) writes:
>O68-O22: Mariposa to Columbia, Day 3
>It was about 9am and like a neighborhood ice cream truck, a fuel truck 
>came by to offer 100LL or 80 but this time to the tune of overhead planes.  
>No price difference between him and the fuel pit... just a really neat 
>service for planes in need.  The temperature was starting to rise into 
>the 90's, so I didn't quite top the plane off, but enough for another three 
>hours of flying.  The fueler even gave me a pack of gum... really
>neat gesture (or was he giving a hint?!)  :).

nope, that particular guy ALWAYS does
that.  columbia was my second solo xctry
on easter day; i brought along a bag of
chocolate eggs and jelly beans for whoever
i bumped into.  he got the bag of eggs;
i got a pack of gum!

the PAO tower later complained that THEIR
chocolate eggs were "a little squishy",
no doubt due to the fact that they had 
flown to columbia with me, and it *was* 
a little warm.

			stormwind

			hell's amazon
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: glennw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (glenn.r.wesley)
Subject: Re: GA Safety (was: stupid pilot tricks)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:00:43 GMT

In article <71556@apple.Apple.COM> rcm@Apple.COM (Robert Charles Monsen) writes:
>This thread has me thinking, though, that there are a lot of, well, 'young'
>pilots out there doing a lot of, well, 'young' things. Things like
>buzzing.

This brings up an interesting question.  I have never seen accident
statistics based on age for GA.  So how about it?  What do you think
the statistics show based on:
	(1) Age at time of accident
	(2) Age when pilot license obtained
	(3) rec.aviation readers vs. others :-)

Inquiring minds want to know...
=========================================================================
Glenn Wesley			PP-ASEL
glennw@alux2.att.com		230 hrs and climbing...
AT&T Bell Laboratories		Lehigh Valley Flying Club
Allentown, PA			Warrior 30LV, Charger 40LV, Archer 47480
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Building your own (dirt) runway? 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:45:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Any one has any idea/knowledge/experience of building your own (dirt)
runway, to be used only by you (maybe a 152 or a 172)?

What are the regulations?
What length is required?
100%-flat land?
Cost?
Time?
Landing lights?  Home-make maybe?  (no, please no dropping flares from
airplane, cannot do that day in and day out) 

Or can I just land any damn where I like?  (I am only a few hours in
PVT lessons, so please no you-should-know's, thanks).  Oh, it will be
in the middle of nowhere, of course (certainly outside controlled 
airspace).

Thanks in advance.  
 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: brent@telebit.com (Brent Chapman)
Subject: Re: umwaufi report
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:38:08 GMT

davea@col.hp.com (Dave Allen) writes:

>phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>> And I'll only go on one condition:  NO WASPS!

>I know what kind you're talking about, but it would be a honor, of course,
>to have a Women's Air Service Pilot attend (or whatever it stands for).
>They're the lucky ones who got to fly all the bombers and fighters in WW-II.

When I was growing up in rural Arizona, we had a friend of the family who
was one of these pilots.  Really fascinating lady!  One of the California
CAP mission coordinators that I've worked with was also a WASP; again, just
fascinating to talk to.

There was an article on them a couple of years ago in Air &
Space/Smithsonian; I think there are also several books out about them.
It's only within the last 10 years or so that they were finally granted
"veteran" status, and were able to start collecting veteran's benefits.


-Brent
From: peterson@specxn.enet.dec.com (Harlo Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Alphabet Airpspace
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:23:57 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs


In article <BtvsoK.237@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, peltz@cerl.uiuc.edu (Steve Peltz) writes...
>In article <1992Aug25.234537.20238@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
>peterson@specxn.enet.dec.com (Harlo Peterson) writes:
>>Control zones with special VFR not permitted will not be charted in the new
>>scheme.  You will have to see the special note that will be attached to a
>>particular chunk of airspace to find out about that restriction.
> 
>Will control zones be charted at all at tower controlled fields, or

Control zones are going away so no they won't be charted anywhere.

>                                                                    will
>all towers be assumed to be able to provide special vfr unless specially
>noted? 

Yes.

>       Will control zones at non-tower fields be marked the same as they
>are now?

No.

Control zones as a separate airspace classification are going away as they
are subsumed in class B, C, D & E airspace.  Classes B to D and class E
airspace that goes to the ground will all be charted.  

All tower airports will will be in one of the classes B to D airspace.
Current non-tower airports with control zones will be in class E airspace.
Surface class E airspace will outlined with magenta dashed lines. Current
control zones are outlined in blue dashed lines.  Class D airspace will
be outlined in blue dashed lines.

Special VFR will be available in all class B to E airspace unless otherwise
noted.  Basically if you can get an IFR clearance you can get special VFR.
--
Harlo Peterson                       Digital Equipment Corporation
      harlo.peterson@cxn.mts.dec.com 1110 Chapel Hills Drive (CXN2/35)
      719-260-3003                   Colorado Springs, CO 80920-3995
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rkaplan@netcom.com (Richard Kaplan)
Subject: Any tips on trip to Canada?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 03:47:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Around Labor Day I will be flying up to the Boundary Waters
Canoe Area National Park on the Minnesota/Canada border.
After spending some time there I would like to do 
some touring of Canada, say somewhere between Winnipeg
and Thunder Bay.

Any thoughts on sites to see or good FBOs?

Any warnings on flying to Canada?  (I know I need 12"
letters, a letter of insurance, a letter of permission
to use a rented airplane, a radiotelephone license, 
and all the standard U.S. paperwork.  Am I 
missing anything?)

 


-- 
Richard Kaplan M.D.           Medical Software Exchange BBS
806 2nd St. SW # 104          (507) 281-1989 14,400 HST
Rochester, MN  55902          (507) 281-1689 Voice
PP-ASEL-IA     N4VRB          rkaplan@mayo.edu|netcom.netcom.com
From: jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Clear)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: CAP info
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:53:27 GMT
Organization: occasional on alternate Tuesdays

In article <1992Sep4.092001.1@pomona.claremont.edu> jhenderson@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>> mazanec@convex.com (Robert Mazanec) writes:
>> 
>>>    1.  Is a PP-ASEL-IA who doesn't own a plane useful?
>> 
>
>What about a PP-ASEL?
>

	CAP is not just about flying SAR missions.  If you have any knowledge at
all about avaition, or even just an interest in avaition, then you might want to
look into CAP.  There are many people involved with CAP that dont have their 
pilot's license, that have no desire to get there license, and that dont like to
fly.  There are many other aspects to CAP other then just flying.  There is the
cadet program (educating kids from 13-18 about aviation), there is aerospace 
education of the general public (booths at airshows, etc), and there is the 
senior program (training those over 21 in a various fields).  

	CAP is a volunteer organization.  You will be as useful as you want to 
be.  If you want to quit your job and do CAP stuff 40 hours a week that is 
great, but if you work three jobs and can only but in an hour or two a week that
is great too.  

John Clear, C/LTC, CAP
Cadet Executive Officer -- Amelia Earhart Composite Squadron


-- 
John A Clear -- jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, clearja@sage.cc.purdue.edu
PP-ASEL   C/LTC, CAP-NYW                                 
'The best way to accelerate an IBM is at 9.8m/s^2' 
'Hard work may not kill me, but why take the chance?'
From: jle@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jer/ Eberhard)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:09:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Finding toxic waste (Re: Flying for the Environment)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.aviation

> call the Operation Skywatch officer on 212-264-8917!

I just called this number and got "Criminal Investigations".
The gal who answered the phone was clueless about 
Operation Skywatch... She took a message to the watch commander.

Jer/ Eberhard, (SLASH), HAM = N0FZD     | Hewlett-Packard - MS99, 1UP10,15'East
Pilot: COMM, INST, CFI-Airplane & Glider| 3404 East Harmony Road (303) 229-2861
CAP CFI, Check & Mission, Pikes Peak 218| Fort Collins, Colorado  80525-9599 
EMAIL:  jle@fc.hp.com or Jer_Eberhard@fc.hp.com
From: Charles.K.Scott@dartmouth.edu (Charles K. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Glass Goose
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:13:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <BtnJu8.GA4@vcd.hp.com>
schinner@vcd.hp.com (Jim Schinnerer) writes:

> On a similar note, the Osprey-2 amphibian is of a similar class, that is,
> 160hp and two seats, but is a mono-plane.  Is there any net.wisdom on
> this airplane?  Does it dog along, too, or is it a good design?

Most amphibians are not barn burners when it comes to cruise.  They
have too much hanging on to them to make them reasonably stable and
safe on the water which degrades cruise.  An exception is the "air
shark" which reportedly cruises at 200 but also is reported to have
some vicious handling characteristics.  The venerable PBY Catalina
never shocked anyone with it's speed.  My father, who flew it, recalls
that it "took off at 100, cruised at 100 and landed at 100."

Corky Scott
From: Charles.K.Scott@dartmouth.edu (Charles K. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Finding toxic waste (Re: Flying for the Environment)
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:12:08 GMT
 <1992Aug25.120857.7476@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  <4dbn#kq@dixie.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH



In article <4dbn#kq@dixie.com>
Charles.K.Scott@dartmouth.edu (Charles K. Scott) writes:

> John from what I've read in
> >the last several weeks you are definately in the minority. 

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
> 
> No we're not.

Better check the figures again John.  I counted 17 replies to your
original highly personal attack; 14 were supportive of mpuckett and
three against.  The three against were all from you.

Corky Scott
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: willcr@bud.sos.ivy.isc.com (Will Crowder)
Subject: GPS vs. MLS (was: Re: Building your own (dirt) runway?)
Followup-To: rec.aviation
Reply-To: willcr@ivy.isc.com
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:12:27 GMT

In article <BtvHu8.KHr@taligent.com>, cep@taligent.com (Christophe
Pettus) writes:

|> In article <1992Aug31.215756.9281@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>
|> hdnea@usho0e.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal) writes:
|> >Of course since the FAA's baby MLS would be threatened by
|> >such a system, we all know how far it will go.
|> 
|> Actually, you may be surprised.  The FAA has finally started to conceed
|> that MLS was just a Bad Idea (something air carriers as well as GA
|> interests have been telling them for years), and is working on
|> certifying GPS approaches.

In this month's _NTSB Reporter_, there's a little story about how the
FAA has awarded a total of (approximately) $13 million in contracts to
Raytheon Co. and another company the name of which I can't remember to
develop demonstration MLS systems.  One of the systems is supposed to
be good for ceilings down to 100' and visbilities in the 1200' range,
the other is supposed to be good for ceilings below 100' and
visibilities down to 700'.

Doesn't look like they've given up on MLS yet.  And I, for one, would
rather see that $13 million spent differently.  Say, perhaps, to keep a
few more good ol' fashioned full-service FSS's around?  Resurface
a few pot-hole and weed infested runways?  Bring BRITE or other
radar service to more towers?  And a bunch of other stuff.

However, in _Plane & Pilot_, they have a short blurb about the FAA
saying to expect GPS approaches and certified receivers to be available
in the late 1990s, and that they've given up on LORAN approaches.

Will
PP-ASEL-IA
-- 
Will Crowder                        | "Any airplane you can't roll ain't
Senior Member of Technical Staff    |    no damn good!"
(willcr@ivy.isc.com)                |       -- Tex Johnston
INTERACTIVE Systems Corp.           |
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: brent@telebit.com (Brent Chapman)
Subject: Re: CAP info
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:27:55 GMT

jhenderson@pomona.claremont.edu writes:

>> mazanec@convex.com (Robert Mazanec) writes:
>> 
>>>    1.  Is a PP-ASEL-IA who doesn't own a plane useful?
>> 

>What about a PP-ASEL?

Yes.  All visual search operations are conducted VFR.  Having an instrument
rating gives you more flexibility in getting to and from mission bases
(particularly here in California, where often all you need to do is puch
through a 200-foot coastal stratus layer at 1000 AGL, to clear blue skies
on top), and is required for some transport missions (night live organ
transplant flights require two IFR rated and current pilots, for instance),
but it's by no means a requirement for participation.  Some of the best
search pilots I've met are guys with hundreds of hours in grid (i.e.,
searching) and thousands of hours total, but no instrument ticket.


-Brent
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: crossing a runway, and instructor relations
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:06:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> It appears that the AOPA ships Aviation USA in the late winter or early
> spring.  If you joined in late spring or summer you may not see the book
> for ten or eleven months... 

Seems par for the course, I'm gonna half to fly up to Fredrick and
beat heads anyhow.  Not only have I not gotten the free copy of Av.
USA they promised, I haven't gotten anything from AOPA since I joined.
It only took the EAA about two weeks to acknowlege my membership.

-Ron
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: prager@mdd.comm.mot.com (David Prager)
Subject: Re: andrew
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:54:07 GMT

In article <T9HFqB1w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> peggy.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>Homestead AFB was destroyed and probably will not be reopened.

President Bush was at Homestead surveying the damage. In front of a large
crowd, including media types, he announced that Homestead would be rebuilt.
He elaborated on the importence of the base. Response from the crowd was
wild enthusiasm.

				David

===============================================================
David Prager					(W)206-487-5837
Motorola					(H)206-485-4397
Mobile Data Division
19807 Northcreek Parkway		
Bothell, WA 98011			prager@mdd.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: rec.aviation gets a gopher all to itself!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:36:20 GMT

Well, I decided that having the Aviation gopher as part of our
department's gopher was a little too confusing.  So I just moved
it over to my workstation and added an "alias" to our name space
to separate the name from the machine.

The new and improved rec.aviation gopher server is now available
on "av.eecs.nwu.edu" (whose Internet address is currently 129.105.5.6,
but is subject to change without notice).  It will archive the following:

	There I Was stories
	the fuel prices summary
	the FAQ
	a listing of aviation-related FTP sites
	flight planning sheets (postscript and otherwise)
	rec.aviation reorg information (for as long as it is pertinent)
	anything else I find interesting

It also contains a link to the "Current Weather" portion of our
department's gopher server.  This section contains GIF files of
the most recent (well, 2 to 3 hours old) satellite picture and
weather map from UIUC.  You will need a gopher client that understands
the non-standard GIF type ("g") to retrieve these files.  Currently
the only one I know of is a modified "xgopher" version 1.1.

For those who don't know:  gopher is a new way of perusing information
on the Internet.  To access information provided by gopher servers, you
need to have Internet access and you need a gopher client.  All the
current sources for gopher clients and servers are available via
anonymous FTP from boombox.micro.umn.edu in "/pub/gopher".  The
GIF-capable xgopher is in "/pub/gopher/incoming/xgopher.1.1.GIF.tar.Z"

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Colored airways in the lower 48
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:54:03 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

rob@cats.ucsc.edu (99708000) writes:

>Let's flog this horse some more.

OK, got a frwe
>Kit Cosper and at least one other netter claim that there
>is an NDB airway on the East coast.
>I can't find it on my FAA Flight Case Planning Chart--
>AND I just got a Jeppesen revision of the introduction
>pages--check page 55 about halfway down; seez the fat green line
>means "LF Airway (Canada & Alaska only)".

hatz GOI  here?  (I'm a bit hogtied 'cause I don't have
>either Jepps or FAA East Coast charts).  Do I need to call Jeppesen
>and tell them they are full of it??
>-- 

>-rOB 

>   From Bitnet: rob@ucscvm  From Internet: rob@ucscvm.ucsc.edu    
-- 
   Kit Cosper                        cosper@seq.uncwil.edu         
   PP-ASEL-IA                        AMA 31022
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Robert Taylor
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.234906.23041@news.columbia.edu> arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can get posters/prints of Robert Taylor's combat
>aircraft paintings?
>
>Thanks,
>Aaron
>

Try Virginia Bader's aviation art studio in Alexandria, Virginia (in case
anyone picked up on the name, yes -- she is related to Douglas "Tin Legs"
(aka "Dogsbody") Bader of WWII fame.

Virginia carries, or can get, prints by nearly all of the well-known
aviation artists.  Directory assistance for area code 703 should have
the shop's phone number, and I believe that she has a catalog available
these days.

Bill


Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: jkr@cray.com (John Renwick)
Subject: Re: umwaufi report
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:02:23 CDT

In article <1992Sep1.130052.4439@walter.cray.com> osh@cray.com (O'Shaughnessy John) writes:
>Now, what other midwest areas would make for a good Fly-In?  Perhap something
>near Wisconsin Dells?  Something along the Mississippi for the fall colors?
>

How about the obvious:  Oshkosh, at a time when Wittman Field isn't
full of a quarter-million people?  For a different twist, we could
volunteer a work party for week-end.  Lots of EAA chapters do it
every spring.  The EAA treats volunteers very hospitably.  It would
be good fun.

Another suggestion:  Minneapolis/Saint Paul area, for the Planes of Fame
Museum at Flying Cloud Airport, or maybe the CAF folks could be coaxed 
into letting us see their projects at Fleming Field.
-- 
- John Renwick
J-3 Cub N62088
jkr@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Subject: looking for a 310
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:12 EST  


So you are looking for a 310.  I own a 59 310C and am quite pleased with it.
However, there are certain problem areas that you should be aware of before
you decide to purchase one. 

1) The structure in the nose gear attachment area is prone to cracking when
   subjected to hard landings and or inproper ground handling.  There is a 
   service letter concerning installing doublers in the forward most bulkhead
   flange area to correct the problem.  I learned this the hard way when
   after purchasing my plane I discovered cracks in the bulkhead in the
   same area that the doublers are susposed to be installed.  In my case
   the service letter hadn't been complied with.  

2) The rib in the main gear wells where the over center link attaches is
   also prone to cracking.  A service letter also exist concerning the
   installation of doublers on this rib.

3) On the older 310's, 1963 and older, the exhaust was routed above the wings.
   One must keep a close eye on this system to ensure that leaks don't 
   develope which can result in severe corrosion problems.

4) The landing gear retraction system is operated by two limit switches.  In 
   the event of a switch failure a mechanical stop in the transmission is
   susposed to stall the motor causing the circuit breaker to pop.  This
   system has been known to fail when the mechanical stop failed in shear
   which can cause cracking of the transmission housing.  A new housing from
   Cessna list for $8000.

The bottom line is pay a mechanic that routinely works on 310's to perform
a prepurchase inspection.  It could really save you some grief in the long
run.  I know, because I recently spent 4 months rebuilding the nose structure
on my 310.  Not only was the forward bulkhead cracked, but the bearing
support brackets for the nose gear were also cracked.  The worst part
was that someone had stop drilled the cracks in the forward bulkhead.
The mechanic that performed the annual that was part of the purchase
agreement denied knowing the cracks were there.  The local FSDO inspector
simply grounded my plane and stated that for all he knew I had stop drilled
the cracks and declined to question the previous owner and the mechanic
who had performed the annual.  So much for I'm from the government and
here to help you.

Well, I was lucky though, a friend of mine has his AP and aircraft inspector
license.  We replaced the bulkhead and bearing support brackets over a four
month period.  The total man hours expended during this time was in excess
of 400.  In the end though, I now have a working knowledge of the gear system
in the 310.  I taxi with the yoke in my lap to minimize the loads on the nose,
as well as hold the nose of the ground as long as possible when landing.


Happy hunting
Casey Hanlon
From: rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Flying saves money (sic)
Keywords: money
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:05:10 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <2071@usna.NAVY.MIL> dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC)) writes:
>Looks to me like this aviation bit `saves' money. Like when
>you get something on `sale'.

What a concept!  Reminds me of the car dealer out here whose slogan is
"If you don't buy a car from me I can't save you any money."


-- 
Dick Harrigill, an independent voice from:     Boeing Commercial Airplanes 
M/S 9R-49  PO BOX 3707                       Renton Avionics/Flight Systems
Seattle, WA  91824                                  Computing Support
(206) 393-9539    rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com    CDP, PP-ASEL