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From: "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: restoring icons??
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:34:00 EST
Reply-To: "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

  On 04-10-92 at 11:39pm, Timothy F. Sipples wrote to All:
TF>In article <19929.1480.11458@dosgate> "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com> writes:
>I need a tip on restoring icons in program groups under OS/2 1.3.
>I have installed the Windows Library for OS/2 (WLO v1.1) and the
...
TF>Do you know where WLO 1.1 applets can be found?  I was only aware of
TF>1.0.

Oops!!  You are correct... I am using WLO 1.0, not 1.1 as stated!

TF>The icons for these applets are indeed stored in extended attributes
TF>(as you may have guessed).  It also appears that your DOS backup is
TF>not keeping track of extended attributes (which is also possible).

Then I must be missing something here.  Aren't _ALL_ the extended
attributes to be found in the EA_DATA_._SF file?  Apparently not,
because I am quite certain that file has been restored from tape
properly.  If not there, then just exactly where are these
"other" extended attributes stored.  And why only those WLO
applets and not the other PM programs?

TF>The ideal remedy, of course, is to use an OS/2 backup program.

Wouldn't I just LOVE to! :-)

TF>However, if you can't do that as a last ditch effort try booting from
TF>your OS/2 installation disk, pressing ESC when the blue screen comes
TF>up, inserting Disk 1, and doing CHKDSK C: /F (or to whichever drive
TF>applies).  (For OS/2 2.0, just add one intervening diskette, i.e.
TF>CHKDSK is on Disk 2.)

OK, that's a good tip which I'll keep in mind for next time.
Thanks.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Manuals
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:29:16 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr4.070859.20048@muddcs.claremont.edu> jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>
>On the downside, it makes for a very dramatic Apple Macintosh
>commercial :)   (This is an IBM personal computer.  To use it,
>all you have to do is learn this... [THUNK] ...)

Have you seen the size of Inside Macintosh Volume VI?  This is a
Macintosh, to program it, all you have to do is learn this... [THUNK] ...)



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From: tselling@peabody.iusb.indiana.edu (Teresa Selling)
Subject: IBM BBS phone number?
Organization: Indiana University at South Bend
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:22:33 GMT

I have heard that there is an IBM BBS that can provide fixes and updates.
Is this true?  I have ver 1.3, but I see no reference to a BBS.  If there
is such a thing could someone post the phone number.  Thanks.
--
Teresa Selling, IUSB, Indiana.
From: teverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (Toby Everett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Benefits of OS/2?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:42:11 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <1992Apr12.201915.17831@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <4107@sumax.seattleu.edu> khamer@sumax.seattleu.edu (Little Kenny Hamer) writes:
>	-  Access to OS/2 applications.  Believe it or not, OS/2
>applications are available in great numbers today, and a large number
>of interesting 32-bit applications is coming in the next several
>months.  Including OS/2-only applications, like N/Joy (a complete
>object-oriented spreadsheet, database, and graphics package).  What
	Can you post more info on N/Joy?  It sounds interesting, but I
have not heard of it before.  How does it compare to Excel?  I have used 
Quattro and Lotus quite a bit, but find Excel's graphing, user-interface,
and macro language ot be far superior.  I am woried that I will have to live
with Excel in a WinOS/2 box for the rest of my life.  I would be happy to find
a 32-bit spreadsheet that I could use.  BTW, have you seen Excel 4.0.  MS 
incorporated right-clicking to bring up menus.  If you right-click on a cell,
a menu pops up for copying, pasting, cutting, formating, etc.  Just like WPS.


>I used to think so too.  I was one of the most neanderthal users --
>I'll say.  But soon you start doing things like printing and twiddling
>your thumbs; or trying to download in the background and getting
>frustrated.  Or UnZIPping a particularly large archive and wondering
>if there isn't more to life.
	Amen.  Unarjing of diskette taught me the way.  I was so happy not
to have to sit there and watch arj take it's time uncompressing from floppy:)

>But multitasking isn't just at that level.  When you use most common
>applications you can benefit from something called multithreading.
>For example, do you really have to wait for a drawing program to
>redraw the entire image before you save the file?  Or add color?  Or
>another picture element?  If those operations could take place on the
>computer's time (rather than yours), you can keep moving and work
>faster.
>
>How about loading a particularly large application?  Or file?
>Wouldn't it be nice to start work on the top of the document while the
>rest of it is loading?
	I hope Lotus incorporates massive multi-threading into Ami Pro for
OS/2.  They got of to a good start with their background printer for Windows.
I hope they keep up the good work.

        --Toby Everett
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jmwells@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: OS/2 on 386SX 16MHz?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.033921.8481@towers.rn.com>, davidh@towers.rn.com (David Holland) writes:
> Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>I am writing this on a such machine - this is a Model 55SX with 4MB,
>>and 16 miserable megahurts (!). I have two DOS windows open now, one
>>OS/2 window is my VM-to-IP postscript-printer-deamon which sits
>>and wakes up every minute to check for things to get printed, and
>>everything runs great. With 4MB, expect a swap file of about 6MB on
> 
> It does??? How?  I'm running a 486/33 with only 4Megs of RAM, and 
> as far as I'm concerned its un-usable. Its just a basic clone 486/33
> Paradise VGA, and 200 Meg IDE drive. And the fool thing spends so much
> time swapping, that I can get it to tell me that apps aren't responding
> to the system fairly consitantly with control-esc. 
> 
> Actually, my 286-12 with 4Megs was considerably more "usable" under
> 1.3 than 2.0 is on a 486-33 with 4Megs. 
> 
> Any suggestions?  - Don't get me wrong here, I think OS/2 2.0 just
> might be the next best thing to sliced bread :) however, you've
> gotta have some fairly large hardware behind it.
> 
>>a lightly loaded machine.  

I am running GA code on a 386SX/20, with 6 Meg of memory,  I have very good
performance on my system, it is comparable with win 3.0 when it was on.  You
might try getting a couple extra meg of memory.  I think that it makes a
trmendous difference.

Jason M. Wells 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jarman@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Jarman)
Subject: Re: OS2 My experience/minor problems
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:40:38 GMT

byu@csri.toronto.edu (Benjamin Yu) writes:

># >In article <1992Apr9.152625.28104@cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes:
># >>
># >>       The printer is set up on LPT1. 
># >>
># >>	System Configuration
># >>		483 -33 8 megs of ram
># >>		130 meg IDE hardrive
># >>		Soundblaster Card
># >                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
># >OS/2 uses IRQ7 (the default for the Soundblaster) for printing.  All you need
># >to do is change it to a free IRQ, and you should be in business.
># >

>Can anyone tell me how to change OS/2 to use a free IRQ please?  Thanks!

Yup -also had that problem in 1.3 when installing my SB.  Instead of telling
OS/2 to use a different IRQ for the printer, simply change the jumper on the
SB to something else.  If you aren't on a network, I think IRQ 5 may
be a possibility.  If both cards use the same IRQ, I'm not sure that OS/2
will be able to help any - it's a hardware problem caused by interupts
on the ISA bus. You can't share IRQ lines on ISA.

>Benjamin Yu
>University of Toronto                 
>Department of Computer Science         byu@csri.toronto.edu
>Toronto, Ontario   Canada M5S 1A4      byu@csri.utoronto.ca
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From: harald@vall.dsv.su.se (Harald Fragner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: hardware cache and OS/2
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:22:48 GMT
Organization: Stockholm University, Sweden

fell@sol.UVic.CA (Stuart Fell) writes:

: I am curious, how will having a small, a large, or no hardware cache on a
: 40 MHz 386 will affect OS/2.  I currently have a 64K hardware cache (that
: I can disable if necessary), but I have the option of expanding that up to
: 256K.  Will this increase/decrease my performance of OS/2???

Unless your cache is really braindead: A small cache is faster than no 
cache, a large cache is faster than a small cache. However with normal
speed RAM, at 40 MHz there should be a huge difference between no cache
and a 64K cache, while the difference between a 64K and a 256K cache
should be hardly noticeable.
/Harald
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Does OS/2 2.0 Need a Mouse?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:06:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <9204041225.AA01417@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Kahn) writes:
>In <1992Apr4.043822.11826@news.Hawaii.Edu> Lawrence Domingo writes:
>>And lastly, does OS/2 2.0 REQUIRE a mouse?
>
>Seriously though, the answer is no.  That 6M system I mentioned above does
>not have mouse support and I get by very well.  There are key combinations
>to do anything you need to.

Usually.  However, it is the application's responsibility to provide
keyboard shortcuts for getting around dialogs and buttons and stuff.
I believe you could write an application without keyboard control.

Given the low price (sometimes under $20) for a Microsoft-Compatible
mouse, it really pays to get one.


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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Sarcasm, Confusion, and my Timothy Sipples Post
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:23:10 GMT

In article <"barnacle.e.538:07.03.92.23.51.44"@clarkson.edu> gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>In <1992Apr7.164258.22890@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Frank Fujita writes:
>>skanga@prism.poly.edu (Shiraz Kanga) writes:
>>     Hey al you IBMers out there I think Timothy Sipples deserves
>>     a free copy of OS/2 2.0 ASAP. Firstly all his hard work must
>>     be rewarded and secondly he would be able to post first hand
>>     info rather than the "I heard about ..." stuff that he is
>>     forced to do now.
>>A free copy of 2.0???  How about 1,000 shares of IBM!
>>Frank Fujita
>>Not affiliated with Tim Sipples in any way, except he helped me
>>with my questions.
>I agree.  Tim has done more work on this newsgroup than anyone, and he does
>deserve something.  I will tell you that Tim's name, along with other folks
>who are active here have already been talked about with reverence on IBMs
>internal newgroups.
>Gerry Thome
>IBM - Austin

Well thanks everyone, I really appreciate it.

However, GA has hit my hard disk.  Shrinkwrapped copy and all -- with
printed manuals.  I'm using PM Terminal at the moment, in fact.

No more tedious phone calls with people who have the "real" code.

I must say, in my twenty minutes (:-)) of experience with the release
code, OS/2 2.0 is one HECK of a product.

I've got a few posts coming up -- read on.

T.F.S.
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft wins
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:24:05 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Apr8.125346.1686@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <11900@tamsun.tamu.edu> bdubbs@neuron.tamu.edu writes:
>>Maybe thats equivalent to including EDLIN.  Throw in someing thats not
>>worth anything.
>Oh, by the way...  Anyone know if 2.0 includes EDLIN?  I remember
>using it in 1.3 once....  :-)

Yes indeed.  Backward compatibility is crucial.  :-)
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From: v053qpgh@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric W Sarjeant)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Programming under OS/2 2.0
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have read the FAQ (OS2FAQ19.TXT) and carefully digested all the details on
OS/2 2.0. The possibility to multitask on a pre-emptive schedule sounds like
it might make OS/2 2.0 worthwhile. Moreover, the added ability to run Windows
3.x software along with DOS and OS/2 tempts me to send a $45 check to IBM.

Unfortunately, just about everyone I know and work for is currently moving
or has already moved into the Windows 3.x arena; consequently, any work I
do over the next few years is going to require my current assortment of
programming tools. The bottom line here is will Turbo Pascal for Windows,
Turbo C for Windows, and Visual Basic for Windows all work under OS/2 2.0?
How exactly does OS/2 support this and what effect does it have on the
Windows 3.x API?

As I don't normally follow this group (at least not yet) any Email responses
would be greatly appreciated. If anyone is interested, I will follow this
up with a summary. Thank you in advance.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Gordon, I accept.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 01:21:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Just by coincidence IBM's Micro Channel Architecture happens to support
multiprocessing.  If you didn't know better (as most posters here seem to),
you would almost have to believe that these guys think ahead.

Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: manne@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Magnus L|vkvist)
Subject: Problem with golden
Summary: Golden doesn't work! 6.177H did
Keywords: golden
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:10:08 GMT

I got the GOLDEN disks today!!!

But there is a problem... The installation works fine but after completion
it tells me to press 'enter'. It then reboots, the logo appears and then
it hangs with a empty screen with 'c0000005' in the upper left corner.

If I boot from the installation disks I can press ESC and view the contents
of the hard disk. Everything seems properly installed but booting from the
hard disk doesn't work. I had no problems with 6.177H. (Haven't tried the
other beta versions)

Anyone who knows why the installation works, why I can boot from the diskette,
what 'c0000005' means? I never thought there would be any problems with GA
since everything worked fine with LA!

/Magnus
From: zlky@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: A favorable magazine review!  (really!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:18:43 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

You probably won't believe this but...

OS/2 actually got a favorable review (sort of).  The current _Business Week_
has a story on it, and the article is generally favorable and relatively 
unbiased, explaining that OS/2 is a replacement for DOS, and those who have
tried it think it's the best, etc.

Check it out!

				- John Hwang.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: huang@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Shan-Chiao Huang)
Subject: Info for getting OS/2 V2 needed!
Originator: huang@maui.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:01:12 GMT

Hi, everyone:

I know this info has been broadcast several times. However, I
lost it because I delete the file in accident.

So, if you have the phone#, please emial it to me. Thanks.


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From: martin@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 Device Drivers - Mastrianni Book
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:36:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Some time back the book ``Writing OS/2 2.0 Device Drivers in C'', by
Steven Mastrianni was discussed here. A release date of 6th April was given.
Is this book now available? I just got our bookshop to enquire, and the
publishers give the UK release date as AUGUST '92!!! This is *dreadful*!

Are there any US booksellers that will ship books such as this overseas?

Martin

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From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Subject: Re: COMx incantations?  (x!=1 && x!=2)
Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:59:40 GMT

From article <7mwj93b.rcain@netcom.com>, by rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain):
> Michael, Thank you, thank you, thank you.  I knew it was easy I just didn't
> know how to do it.  What is the number you refer to?  I am still working
> with beta stuff.  It didn't come with that number.

The telephone support GA, not the beta, and the number is included with
the registration number.   I don't think they want to field questions
on betas (since they are unsupported, by definition :)
From: peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Update prices in Germany (bad news!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:43:22 GMT
Organization: Private site

Peter Gahbler <peter@pgeck.sub.org> writes:

> Hi,
> first I want to say thank you to all of you offering help in 
> getting an update in USA.
> Your help has been noticed with pleasure but IMHO it is no longer 
> needed because: [good news following]
[good news deleted]
> I still can't believe it. It really happened.

And I was right. It didn't really happen. Today I got a phone call 
and was informed that it was a mistake and there is _NO_ update 
other than from PC-DOS and OS/2 1.x.
This way IBM won't get many friends here...

So I will have to get my update from USA. I still need to know
what I have to send a friend of mine to get the update. The first page
of my Windows manual (the cover sheet)? Or the first real page? Or the
licence agreement? Or ...?

Bye
  Peter
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From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: Which DOS?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:12:02 GMT

rteasdal@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Rusty) writes:

>	It promptly said "O/S 2 Version 2.0" or words to that effect.
>I thought for a moment and then tried "EDIT". That was unrecognized, so I
>tried "EDLIN". _That_ worked, to my horror. Is it true, as I was later
>told, that this is actually the evil DOS 4.01?

EDIT is just a DOS program.  I've run it just fine under OS/2 2.0's
DOS box.  The fact that it doesn't come with OS/2's DOS emulation
doesn't mean the emulation is not based on DOS 5.0.

Is there actally a DOS program which, except for memory constraints,
will run under DOS 5.0 but not under DOS 4.01?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Key equivalents
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:55:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.013603.16275@cco.caltech.edu> josephc@cco.caltech.edu (Joseph Chiu) writes:
>liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio) writes:
>>	I was wondering why  IBM decided to go  with the inane key  strokes
>>for cut and paste that exist on  Windoze...   I do not think that Shft-Ins,
>>Ctrl-Ins, and Shft-Del are very intuitive.  Why not go  with using the good
>>old alt key (a la NeXT/Mac fame)...
>>	Are these keys remappable (for all apps as well), since I can never
>>remember the Windows sequence for more than a week.  Why didn't they make a
>>new one for WPS, and then if the user decided to go with the  Win WPS look,
>>then the other key equivs would work instead?
>
>What I really miss on non-Macintosh GUI's are the (almost) standard use
>of Command (Squiggle Key) +  Z, X, C, and V for Undo, Cut, Copy, and Insert...  
>By fortune of coincidence, those keys are perfectly placed for a quick
>one-handed operation...  And the key labeling makes intuitive sense, too!
>
>Look at the keyboard...  They are nicely located in an easy-to-reach cluster!
>Drag-and-highlight with the mouse in the right hand, cut and paste with the
>keys on the left...   
>
>This is one ergonomic feature I sorely miss in Windows (and OS/2 when I get
>it, I assume...)

I hate that combination, but even I know it by heart, because EVERYone else
uses it.

SUGGESTION FOR 2.1/CSD:

Make the keyboard system-function keys remappable.  The system translates
virtual keystrokes, and turns some of them into system keys.  Well, make
this configurable, and let us, for example, make both the CTRL-V and
SHIFT-INSERT do the insert, or just CTRL-V, or just SHIFT-INSERT, or
ALT-V, or whatever.  Keep what you want as the default: most users don't
change this, and you can keep your standard.  But some of us need it.

-Dave
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