HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Re: Adopt a highway program
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:31:56 GMT
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first: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
    a highway adoption was turned down because "the group is political..."
    in nature.  The only reference to the group was the name "Marijuana 
    legalizers."

second: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
    Well the Libertarian Party of Utah has an adopted section of I-15 that
    runs N-S through the state and they are certainly a political
    organization.  Of course, the administration of "adopt a highway" may
    be done on a state-by-state basis; I don't know.

third: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether) says:
    The Pittsburgh Chapter of the Libertarian party has also adopted a section 
    of local highway.  It's gotta be your local rules, or your local rule 
    interpreters.

fourth: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) writes:
    And if they just refuse to let you adopt a highway, you should be able to 
    get some good local political mileage out of the whole affair.  Call a press
    conference and explain the situation.  Send out press releases to all the
    media.  Hold a demonstration.  If all else fails, write letters to the 
    editor. You should get *some* coverage, all about how maintaining their 
    political dogma is more important than controlling litter along the 
    highways.
 

According to Allen St. Pierre, one county terminated its adopt-a-highway
program after a hempster.org tried to join. I wish I could remember the details
but I can't :-).  Perhaps someone w/ more knoweledge of the matter could fill
in the details? I think this happened in a southern state.

Good luck.
mmonningh@igc.org


Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Subject: District Headquarters for War on Drugs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:11:00 GMT

	A couple years ago I witnessed a sight that many people never
get to see. To see it I had to be arrested. My crime? I committed the
heinous and unforgivable crime of camping in a picnic area of a national
park (no joke. I was actually arrested for this. Had to stand in front of
a judge handcuffed.)
	Although my crime was in a different part of the country they 
arrested me in San Francisco. They took me to the monolithic looking
Federal Building in downtown S.F., and up to the 22nd floor (ever saw
the movie 1984? It looks just like the Ministry of Justice, on the inside
as well as the outside. Even scarier on the inside.) 
	While I was being searched, and I.D.ed, I got to witness one of 
the main headquarters of the Drug Intervention Division. They were
coordinating a major drug raid at the time (I understood this from the
way they were talking). They seemed to be pretty incompitent actually.
BUT THE EQUIPTMENT! This could have been the NASA! That's just what it
looked like, NASA. BTW, it was harvest time so I guess they were arranging
a drug raid in Humbolt, or Santa Cruz county, becuase they were definantly
talking to helicoptors. 
	My point is that we are giving way too much money to the
drug enforcement agencies. They using millions of dollars of equiptment
to bust some guy growing a couple plants in a field. THIS IS CRAZY! 
(Not to mention spending good money to bust illegal campers.)

	BTW, in case you were wondering, after spending a couple hours
in a windowless cell with a couple coke dealers, they handcuffed me and took
me down a secret elevator (that only runs for the top 5 floors, and has its
own cage) to a windowless court room where I stood handcuffed in front of
a judge and three armed guards (No other witnesses). They then found me
guilty and made me pay the $25 fine (I laughed the whole way home. What 
else could I do?).

-Garrett
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From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Adopt a highway program
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:18:33 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

 
>  rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
>     Well the Libertarian Party of Utah has an adopted section of I-15 that
>     runs N-S through the state and they are certainly a political
>     organization.  Of course, the administration of "adopt a highway" may
>     be done on a state-by-state basis; I don't know.
 
>  rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether) says:
>     The Pittsburgh Chapter of the Libertarian party has also adopted a section 
>     of local highway.  It's gotta be your local rules, or your local rule 
>     interpreters.

>  &  Adopt A Highway programs do vary from state to state.  The Delaware 
>     LP has three stretches of highway in Newark, Wilmington, and New Castle.


I will be grateful to anyone who can send the phone number(s) for any 
of these organizations.  Speaking with them will be a great help.

  
> According to Allen St. Pierre, one county terminated its adopt-a-highway
> program after a hempster.org tried to join. I wish I could remember the details
> but I can't :-).  Perhaps someone w/ more knowledge of the matter could fill
> in the details? I think this happened in a southern state.


I believe it was Cleveland NORML.  I spoke with the director there who
was very helpful. (Thanks Jim P.)   I don't believe this was an 
adopt-a-highway program, but a similar community service project.
It seems that some of us are not good enough.

I am in the process of contacting the ACLU.  
I'll keep Y'all posted.

-- Danny

                          ________________________________
                         /                                \
                         |  The Drug War:  Witch hunt '92 |
                         \________________________________/
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Re: Adopt a highway program
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:05:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.150550.2427@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
	drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
>My highway adoption was turned down because "the group is political..."
>in nature.  The only reference to the group was the name "Marijuana 
>legalizers."

Well the Libertarian Party of Utah has an adopted section of I-15 that
runs N-S through the state and they are certainly a political
organization.  Of course, the administration of "adopt a highway" may
be done on a state-by-state basis; I don't know.

						-- Rich
-- 
		      Don't blame me; I voted Libertarian
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Subject: Re: District Headquarters for War on Drugs
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:22:59 GMT

In article <1ebhh5INN5hh@smaug.West.Sun.COM>, dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)                          writes...
>garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
>=	A couple years ago I witnessed a sight that many people never
>=get to see. To see it I had to be arrested. My crime? I committed the
>=heinous and unforgivable crime of camping in a picnic area of a national
>=park (no joke. I was actually arrested for this. Had to stand in front of
>=a judge handcuffed.)
> 
>You ought to write a humorous essay about this experience
>ala Alice's Restaurant.

Every time my family gets together (usually around Thanksgiving by coincidence)
I get ribbed for it.
From: peters@buster.cis.udel.edu (Shirley Peters)
Subject: Re: District Headquarters for War on Drugs
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.041100.12375@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:

> ... They then found me
>guilty and made me pay the $25 fine (I laughed the whole way home. What 
>else could I do?).

Did they make you pick up the garbage!  :-)
-- 
Shirley Peters                                       peters@dewey.udel.edu
U. of Delaware/A.I. duPont Institute                peters%udel.edu@udelvm
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
                        I'd rather be sleeping!
Xref: sparky talk.politics.drugs:7498 sci.econ:8724
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,sci.econ
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:23:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov18.032352.26031
Organization: Western Washington University

tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker) writes:



>>What "infrastructure" can't be financed by tolls?  Roads and bridges can.

>How are you going to collect tolls on all the little surface streets?
>What is wrong with taxing gasoline for the purpose?

Ah, but those things aren't dealt with on the federal level.

There is no federal or state "infrastructure" item that cannot be
paid for, in full, via tolls.

That is moot though, as the federal gas tax "infrastructure" fund
has been running a surplus for years.  

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: District Headquarters for War on Drugs
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:35:01 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
=	A couple years ago I witnessed a sight that many people never
=get to see. To see it I had to be arrested. My crime? I committed the
=heinous and unforgivable crime of camping in a picnic area of a national
=park (no joke. I was actually arrested for this. Had to stand in front of
=a judge handcuffed.)

You ought to write a humorous essay about this experience
ala Alice's Restaurant.
-- 
Family values are a family matter, not a government one.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: District Headquarters for War on Drugs
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:21:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov17.061332.8797@udel.edu> peters@buster.cis.udel.edu (Shirley Peters) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.041100.12375@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
>
>> ... They then found me
>>guilty and made me pay the $25 fine (I laughed the whole way home. What 
>>else could I do?).
>
>Did they make you pick up the garbage!  :-)
	No but he had to sit on the Group W bench and talk about all those
	groovy things like father stabbing and mother raping . . .  ;-)

	After me boys and girls. . .
	
	You can get anything you want on Uncle Sam's Internet.
	You can get anything you want on Uncle Sam's Internet.
	Log right in and sit right down,  
		just a half a gig on the ol' root disk.
	You can get anything you want on Uncle Sam's Internet. . .
		


						;-)


						smg


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From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Adopt a highway program
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:05:50 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire


ADOPT A HIGHWAY
===============


I need references, pointers, (anything) to the person or group that 
won a court battle to have their (pro marijuana) group adopt a highway.


My highway adoption was turned down because "the group is political..."
in nature.  The only reference to the group was the name "Marijuana 
legalizers."

I'll post more later, but I would like some comments, suggestions, etc.

Thanks a bunch,

-- Danny
From: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Press Article
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:29:08 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov16.152416.297@udel.edu> jones@fred.cis.udel.edu (Mark Jones) writes:
>In article <CWEYAND.92Nov13092831@hpbs721.boi.hp.com> cweyand@boi.hp.com (Chris Weyand) writes:
,>Could someone post or mail me information on how to get a reprint of the
,>Pittsburgh Press article regarding Civil Forfeiture from a year ago or so.
,>
,>Thanks
,
,Pittsburgh Press information:
,
,   34 Boulevard of the Allies
,   Pittsburgh, PA  15230
,
,   phone:  (412)263-1100
,   Madelyn Ross, Managing Editor (send requests for copies to her)
,
,I called them a while ago.
,They connected me to Linda in Mr. McEachran's
,office, she took my name and address and
,said she would send the reprints "as a
,public service".
,
,-Mark (jones@udel.edu)
,"All delegated power is trust, and all assumed power is usurpation."
,                        -- Thomas Paine, _Rights of Man_
Some additional information on the Pittsburgh Press:

They have been on strike since May of this year and your mileage
may definitely vary if you attempt to get anything out of them now.

The good news is that it appears the strike may be nearing its end
and they may be going to start up again under new management.  Of
course, the new management may feel differently about the repr
-- 
Rich Loether (rjl@unix.cis.pitt.edu)
Computing and Info Services (Systems & Networks)
(412) 624-6429 / FAX (412) 624-6436
From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Facts about cannabis brochure.
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:50:09 GMT

There is a "drug awareness" thing going on upstairs, and they are
passing out many brochures about many drugs. The one entitled
"Facts about Cannabis (Marijuana, hashish, etc.)" was reprinted
from the Addiction Research Foundation of Ontario, and revised
in June, 1985. It says, in part, :

"Cannabis impairs attention, short-term memory, logical thinking,
and the ability to drive a car or perform other complex tasks."

Is this actually documented anywhere, or is it the subjective 
opinion of someone? 

I was participating in some driving research about 20 years ago,
and overheard the principle investigator mention something about
the effects of cannabis, saying something like "Well, the case of
marijuana is well known...."   - implying there indeed was some
solid scientific research done into driving while under the
influence of cannabis.

Has anyone in this group checked into these things ?

It seems that the case for making cannabis illegal because of 
potential impairment while driving is not logical, because,
(1) we already have laws against impaired driving, which should be
independent of the means of becoming impaired, and (2) it is not
the use of the drug, but the driving, that is at fault. (Actually,
1 and 2 are probably the same point...) - But it is like throwing
out the baby with the bathwater.

However, what about this short-term memory impairment? (1) is it true?
(2) Is this sufficient grounds to make it (or keep it) illegal? I 
always thought mj should be legal based upon the "it's none of your
business what I do as long as I don't hurt you" type of argument
(that I think stems from reading The Playboy Philosopy all those
years ago - but which has grown into an objectivist opinion that
it is immoral and should be illegal if anything should be illegal
to initiate the use of force against anybody.).

Comments, anybody ?

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Adopt a highway program
From: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether)
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:41:35 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov20.210553.8234@dsd.es.com> rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
:In article <1992Nov18.150550.2427@cnsvax.uwec.edu:
:	drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
::My highway adoption was turned down because "the group is political..."
::in nature.  The only reference to the group was the name "Marijuana 
::legalizers."
:
:Well the Libertarian Party of Utah has an adopted section of I-15 that
:runs N-S through the state and they are certainly a political
:organization.  Of course, the administration of "adopt a highway" may
:be done on a state-by-state basis; I don't know.
:
:						-- Rich
The Pittsburgh Chapter of the Libertarian party has also adopted a section of
local highway.  It's gotta be your local rules, or your local rule interpreters.

RJL


-- 
Rich Loether (rjl@unix.cis.pitt.edu)
Computing and Info Services (Systems & Networks)
(412) 624-6429 / FAX (412) 624-6436
Xref: sparky talk.politics.drugs:7528 alt.drugs:18728
From: rich@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Rich Schwartzman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Adopt a highway program
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:21:49 GMT
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

In article <1992Nov20.210553.8234@dsd.es.com> rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
}In article <1992Nov18.150550.2427@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
}	drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
}>My highway adoption was turned down because "the group is political..."
}>in nature.  The only reference to the group was the name "Marijuana 
}>legalizers."
}
}Well the Libertarian Party of Utah has an adopted section of I-15 that
}runs N-S through the state and they are certainly a political
}organization.  Of course, the administration of "adopt a highway" may
}be done on a state-by-state basis; I don't know.
}
}						-- Rich
}-- 
}		     

Adopt A Highway programs do vary from state to state.  The Delaware LP has threestretches of highway in Newark, Wilmington, and New Castle.


-- 






   ---------------------------------------------
  | Richard B. Schwartzman, RBS Communications  |
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: District Headquarters for War on Drugs
Summary: Alice's Restraunt
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:37:26 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov17.061332.8797@udel.edu>, peters@buster.cis.udel.edu (Shirley Peters)                 writes...
>In article <1992Nov17.041100.12375@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
> 
>> ... They then found me
>>guilty and made me pay the $25 fine (I laughed the whole way home. What 
>>else could I do?).
> 
>Did they make you pick up the garbage!  :-)

I said to Odey, "Hey, Odey. I can't pick up the garbage with these 
handcuffs on."
	Odey said, "Shut up, Kid."

Believe it or not, this is the only time in my life that I've been arrested. 

>Shirley Peters                                       peters@dewey.udel.edu
>U. of Delaware/A.I. duPont Institute                peters%udel.edu@udelvm
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Jesus, Drugs, & Me
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA


In article <1992Nov20.072901.6705@u.washington.edu> lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.224723.2368@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, degroomp@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>> to determine Reality from fantasy while the fire hydrant on the
>>> corner turns into a large green and red dragon which begins to
>>> breath fire on you.
>
>No its not.  Large green and red dragons are a wonderful indication that
>you're not in the consensus reality.

Nuts.  The stealth flamethrower was supposed to be completely undetectable!
Making it look like a fire hydrant was pretty cute, huh?  Now we have
to redesign the whole thing from scratch.

>>> However, I realized
>>> how fucked up I was through RATIONALITY... I was broke fixed on
>>> various substances and my life was shit.
>
>Congratulations.
 
Score 1 for LSD.  It apparently helped a loser discover he was.  So it
really works!  I had thought that was just promotional hype.
 
The whole question of whether drugs are Good Things or Bad Things is
really irrelevant to the question of legality.  The only relevant question
is whether legality is better than the alternative violence-ridden
expropriative police state.  Do you prefer green dragons or black copters?
 


	 George Tucker        tucker@shiva.hac.com
	Signature line awaiting FDA approval.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: daniels@ih-nxt07.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Ray Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Spy Satellite to Arab Emirates?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:32:13 GMT

In article <By1CrB.Mr6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh  
'K' Hopkins) writes:
> whitmeye@den.mmc.com (Richard Whitmeyer) writes:
> 
> >SELL! SELL! SELL!
> 
> >But perhaps the NASA folks should try selling something like a seat on
> >the space station instead. Being the first Arab nation with a citizen
> >always up there, looking down, would seem better than just a camera.
> 
> Much to late to be the first.  A Saudi prince has been on the shuttle an  
I
> believe a Syrian went up with the Russians.
> 
> -- 
> Josh Hopkins

Ah, yes - but a Permanent place for a UAE astronaut(s) in space on the
station would be a real coup.  I wonder how much they would have to pay
to rent or lease part of the space station - $100-$300 million/year?
Certainly an outrageous sum of money for one small nation - even a rich
one - to pay, but perhaps the Gulf Cooperation Coucil would be interested.
The Gulf Coucil includes the UAE, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and
Kuwait I believe.  Together they could afford it and could perhaps start
a space industry in the Gulf and improve Arab-US relations.  After all,
oil won't be there forever :).                                          
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
From: weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed)
Subject: SEI Cancelled
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:09:12 GMT


-- 
It appears NASA/JSC, at headquarters request, is summarily cancelling ALL
Space Exploration Initiatives.  These are advanced projects, such
as Artemis (a small, inexpensive, unmanned payload transporter
to the lunar surface), FLO (First Lunar Outpost - concieved as the 
next manned mission to the Moon), and all other lunar, Mars projects.
JSC is expecting possibly thousands of layoffs late next year
(thats a rumor only).

The reason is the new Clinton/Gore administration will not support
any advanced R&D space projects, other than shuttle and SSF.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Weed                             weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co. - Houston
          "My comments are my own, not my employer's"