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From: bob@tv.tv.tek.com (Bob Wakehouse)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:08:10 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR

Bob Kehoe wrote:

> But it really bothered me that ol' DW was wearing his Bush/Quayle
> button quite clearly in the post-race interviews.  Now I like DW as
> much as the other guy, but I really am against the driver's displaying
> their political persuasion in front of the cameras.

Really?  I should give a hoot whether drivers display their political
persuasions in front of the cameras?  I dunno -- a "VOTE FOR BUSH" button
might just as well be a "VOTE FOR CLINTON" or "WHAT -- ME WORRY?" button
for all I care.  If I had my 'druthers, I 'druther not have any of the
above in my face.

On the other hand, I fret about restrictions.  Maybe if we restrict Bush
buttons when drivers are interviewed, someone will figure they've got 
sound basis for declaring that we must bleep such comments as, "Thank God
the motor held fer 'nuther 10 laps!"  And so on.  It would surely get 
pretty danged silly and annoying, at some point.  It might get downright
frightening if someone figures we ain't serious enough about sumthin',
so it needs to be made a punishable crime.

I'd have to say, "Let it go."


Bob "But then, that's just me." Wakehouse

"Hey, Wakehouse, who you votin' for -- Bush or Clinton?"

"Nope."
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Toohey's 1000/Sandown 500 results
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:51:47 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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In a remarkabley close finish to this years damp Sandown 500, the annual
Bathurst shakedown, Larry Perkins took his aging VL Commodore to a
narrow victory over the BMW 325 of Longhurst and Morris.

Perkins was some 20 seconds in arrears with 10 minutes to go, but a
double yellow incident brought the gap back to 9 seconds.  Perkins
eventually powered past the BMW on the main straight with 3 laps to go,
only to be passed under brakes at the end of the same straight.  Some
extremely good racing followed but, inevitabley the power of the
Commodore brought it home in front, bringing the packed grandstand to
its feet.

This is a great win for Perkins, who has
basically built the car from the ground up in his own enginerring works,
and represents a major slap in the face for the factory teams.

Most of the '93 spec cars retired from the race, and this, combined with
rather lax pitwork from the "once-a-year" teams, makes it hard to
predict the outcome of the Bathurst race.  

What it does say is that, even at 7500 rpm, Larry has put the rest of
the field on notice.  And, at the end of the race, the BMWs will still
be wailing their way around.  Just like clockwork.

The packed stands on what was a rather miserable day will have made the
Sandown club and SBS happy. 

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From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: A Refreshing Sunday... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:37:37 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep14.121955.2171@bnr.uk> cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour) writes:
 
>Schumacher's interview raised my ire - why do drivers stoop to such melo-
>dramatic antics for the camera? 

 I missed it - or didn't even have the opportunity to see it.  What did
   he say/do?


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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:22:12 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92) writes:

>Chuck Fry writes:
>>|> I'm so tempted to say something snide... but I won't.
>>|> as The Speedway.  The difference between a winner and a crasher there
>>|> is often a matter of inches.  Name any track on the F1 circuit with as
>>|> little margin for error.
>
>The difference between a winner and a crasher at most tracks, in most types
>of facing, is often a "matter of inches". Look at *ANY* of the walled street
>circuits. For sheer terror, look at the Motorcycle Races on the street
>circuit on the Isle Of Man. Look at Spa in the rain.

And how about Dallas in '84?  Only 8 cars finished, with most of those that
didn't crashing out.  Some of those involved in crashes (some of these 
continued) included Cheever, Warwick, Patrese, Piquet, Senna, Alboreto, 
Prost, Lauda, Mansell.  I think there were 17 drivers involved in accidents.
This is a pretty impressive list of drivers too.

Dan Jones
From: rlwst8+@pitt.edu (Robert L Williamson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Fassell-Vega
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:26:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

My Dad once told me he new a guy who did the intake and carbeuration work
on these French racing cars called Fassell-Vegas (this is probably spelled 
incorrectly) has anyone ever heard or seen this car is so please reply.


				Roger
From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: '93 IndyCar Schedule and Indy track changes
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:43:19 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <7160516049270@c00569-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>
>Here's the Vancouver-less tentative '93 IndyCar Schedule:
>
> 7/11 - New York City

Like I once said before, this race will NEVER happen.  Mark my words.
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Patrese in the late 70s
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:26:19 GMT

In article <Sep.14.15.14.38.1992.2932@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu>,
boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:
|> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
|> [ref. the death of Ronnie Peterson]
|> >... Then David Hobbs said that the driver
|> >that was most active against Patrese then, was probably more dangerous
|> >than Patrese AND came to be World Champion a few years later.
|> 
|> I think [Hobbs] must've been referring to James "The Shunt" Hunt, who
|> does the commentary for the BBC!

I would also believe that Hobbs referred to Hunt even though Hunt
became World Champion in 1976 while Peterson died in 1978.

What follows is the story of the Peterson incident, as I remember it:
At the start of the 1978 Monza GP, Patrese, driving an Arrows-Ford,
moved to the right hand side of the start finish straight which
is very wide due to the old and unused banked oval.  Patrese had
to cut back onto the left where the track leading to the chicanes
and Curva Grande gets narrower.  This caused a pile-up which ended
in someone punting Peterson.  First, Hunt blamed Patrese for directly
hitting Peterson, but I have seen a sequence of pictures which indicate
that Patrese was ahead of Peterson just before the crash.  It is more
likely (although not proven to the best of my knowledge) that it was
Hunt who punted Peterson when taking evasive action because of Patrese.

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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Re: CART in PA?
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:37:50 EDT

In article <BuL1yv.Fr7@news.larc.nasa.gov>
dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde) writes:
 
>This is the former Langhorne Raceway, in Bucks County, PA.  It's about an hour
>south of Pocono, closer to Philadelphia.
>
Pennsylvania Raceway is NOT the former Langhorne, which is
now yet another much-needed shopping center, smirk. PR
is in Nazareth PA, built on the site of a former dirt
mile.
From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Organization: Center For Prevention Of RCI
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:25:14 GMT

richard welty writes:
>ummm.  the rules have changed at Indy, too, quite a lot.  let us instead
>agree that indy presents special safety problems, and recognize that
>F1 solutions are not sufficient there.  in particular, carbon fiber
>tubs are not liked by indycar designers because they would appear to
>not take multiple impacts well.

I agree that Indy has special safety problems, but you are mistaken
about the reason that Indy cars do not use carbon fiber tubs.
The carbon fiber tubs are "not liked by indycar designers" because they
are more expensive and involve change to a new technology. There are 
many cases of the cabon fiber tub taking multiple impacts -- look at
Berger's monsterous accident at Spa. He started in the same tub.
>
>so don't claim that F1 takes safety more seriously than Indycars;
>instead realize that high speed ovals are very dangerous.
>
Precisely! High speed ovals are very dangerous. We can't afford to have
anything less than the best that today's technology has to offer. That
technology is available, but not being used at Indy. That's the sad, and
dangerous part.

>you're acting like nobody is doing anything about it.
                              ^^^^^

No. I'm pointing out the fact that we're not doing *ENOUGH*! Let's see
some innovative solutions applied to make Indy Car racing as safe as
F1. With today's technology, aluminum tubs and concrete walls are as
obsolete as that symbolic strip of brick pavements. Let's keep the
good parts of the traditions, but let's move to (at least) the present.


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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Schumacher -- $1 million <NOT!; this year anyways>
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:00:52 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:

>|>>	Someone posted something (really?) about Schumacher being had for $1
>|>mil or so.  The ESPN (Hobbs) guys mentioned at Spa his (MS) salary for
>|>this year
>|>>was around 200,000.  I think they said $$, but I'm not sure.
>|>>	If he (and the brain trust that called the perfect timing for
>|>pitstops)
>|>>continues the good work exhibited in Belgium, no telling what he'll
>|>make
>|>>next year.
>
>|>200,000 DM ( at this time it is "almost" $200,000 plus 5,000DM per point.
>
>Plus the money for going on every chat show in the universe during the
>close season!

No, not in the universe, we haven't seen him on David Letterman yet.  Only 
Mika Hakkinen because his name is just fun to say :=].

Dan Jones
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Alboreto - was Report and Results from Italy (spoiler)
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:33:57 GMT

In <18549@acorn.co.uk> apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:

> From BBC CEEFAX
>
> [ ... stuff deleted ... ]
>
> 7 M Alboreto   It  Footwork  @  one lap

He did it again !!!!
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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: F1: Budpest and Spa results request
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:31:29 GMT


Thanks to all who replied - I now have the information I was looking for.

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From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ron Dennis on aggression (was Re: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:22:20 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

How about Alesi and Schumacher??

GVC
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Not good news (sponsors)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.153204.16429@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:
>but still, it's something to think about.  IMSA has the promotional
>and organizational skills, but as far as the actual racing goes,
>the SCCA seems to have the superior product now.
>
>(Actually, I think they could both stand to learn some lessons from ASA...)
>
David, I have to disagree with you a bit here regarding IMSA's
"promotional and organizational skills".  Now being a 'media type'
I've had a chance to work with most of the organizing bodies'
promotional departments (excluding NASCAR of course - which I hope
to do more of in the future).

Beinz that my show is on Tuesday, and an event just happened over
the past weekend, I have a need for gaining almost immediate
information.  If it were not for the various personal contacts I have
made, I'd be in trouble.  It takes more than a week for me to receive
"official" results, etc. from IndyCar and IMSA.  SCCA of course is
more sporadic.  So what I usually have to do to get information other
than what appears in the agate page of the Oregonian is to make some
phone calls to usually the various teams' PR people to get the up-to-
date story.  This is clumsy.

One thing IMSA, for example, needs to improve upon is to establish a
better in-house, full time PR staff.  Much of their stuff is farmed
out to contract PR houses.  It's oftentimes a phone-tag system to
track down a piece of information.  And since the phone bill comes
out of my pocket, I can only afford to do so much.  You go here for
GTP/GTL, somewhere else for GTO/S/U, and over there for Firehawk info.
With IndyCars, it's the same deal for the Heavies and Lights.

I wish every series would take note of (imo) the best organization
for handling promotional and media type issues - NHRA!  They are
light years ahead of everybody else.  With a relatively small staff,
NHRA can virtually walk into a new venue and carry the whole thing
out.  They have always done things this way.  Several weeks prior to
an event, they send in their advance people to insure all the necessary
contacts are made.  Then a week before an event, they are extremely
busy going everywhere (TV, Radio, Newspaper) doing whatever is necessary
to set up interviews, promotions, etc.  It all goes very smoothly and
expertly for all parties involved.  Almost before the last of the nitro
fumes are wifted away, you have a definitive set of results in your
hand, done professionally.

It's the little things that NHRA does so well that makes it one of the
truly healthy and growing racing series in the world right now.

By the way, a call has to also go to MTEG (Mickey Thompson Entertainment
Group) for the stadium series.  They have some terrific PR folks as
well.  Always a plethora of info on a timely basis.  

-c'ball-
e
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:34:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.195512.29747@den.mmc.com> hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood) writes:
>	The problem is, IMHO, both are at the pinnacle of IndyCar racing,
>and neither want to drive for non-competitive teams.  The competitive F1
>teams don't want to "take a chance" on drivers unproven in F1 competition
>when all the top F1 drivers want Williams or Benetton or (maybe) McLaren
>or (eventually) Ferarri.  Both have tested for F1 teams (Andretti for
>McLaren, Unser for ??) and the reports were positive, but testing is not
>racing against Senna, et al.
>
>	So the current state of affairs is a deadlock:  Unser and Andretti
>won't drive for the F1 teams that might be willing to give them a ride.
>Once again, it looks like Unser and Andretti will be staying home next year.
>

I know it's just your words, so I'm not flaming you, but I just have to
say:

"F1 teams don't want to "take a chance" on unproven drivers like
(MiAndretti or Little Al)"......HAH!!

I think I read where one team (no names) might've offered Unser about
1 million $$ for a one year contract.  He basically told them to take
a hike.  The money's better at home right now.  This may sound arrogant
on his part, but he also mentioned the fact that he's most concerned
about security with regards to insuring his kids are brought up with
a proper education, etc.  We've got to remember with all the pro drivers
that racing is their CAREER (read means of employment).  Hard for us to
identify with, at least on the money issue, but....

-c'ball'-
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mclaren engines for '93 ??
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:06:20 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <1992Sep15.060413.3727@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
>Does anyone know what Mclaren are using next year (evan a wild guess) ?

Wild guesses: BMW, Cosworth V12 (possibly with Jaguar badging), Peugeot 

Most likely: Mugen-badged Honda V10. "Honda" drops out, but provides
backdoor support through their "racing arm". This allows them more
latitude in playing with the money spigot, and provides a side benefit
of building up the Mugen name, allowing more growth in the "aftermarket"
parts business. 

>If Mclaren don't get a good engine, then I doubt Senna would drive for them.

I doubt he's going to drive for them, anyway. He seems to be determined
to leave McLaren at all costs. He'll likely pull a "Prost", sitting out
for a year and jumping into whatever team sits at the top then:
Williams, Benetton, hell, maybe even Ferrari.
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Respect for Senna (was: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:24:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.142203.13076@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes) writes:
>From article <Sep14.082925.17245@engr.washington.edu>, by (eliot):
>> 
>> Senna's post race interview was also good sober stuff.  My respect for
>> him is climbing.  
>
>I didn't see a post race interview with Senna, but my respect for Senna
>(never very high--has nothing to do with his driving ability) dropped
>like a rock when I found out that Mansel would not be driving for
>Williams next year and that a big part of it was because of Senna's
>publicly blowing off at the mouth.  In the U.S., publicly interferring
>with another man's bargining process would be grounds for a lawsuit.
>

And I thought the US was the home of free enterprise...what is wrong
with Senna offering his services to Williams...supply and demand...
what Senna did is the purest form of free enterprise...

Gerald
From: wolf@pioneer.unm.edu (Mark Giaquinto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:08:41 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall) writes:
>Glad to see an American in Formula 1 again! I wonder how long
>those F-1 prima donnas wil tolerate MA's aggressive style!!!

Are you trying to say that MA is more aggressive than Senna, Prost, Mansell
and company?  I would tend to disagree, about as agressive yes, more agressive
no.

>   Dave Hall   dave@racer.b8.ingr.com ||   "dirt's for racin',
>   Black Cat Racing,  Madison, Al.    ||               B.S. - 1990
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Its 92, and Rustys Due^H^H^H Here!
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:11:43 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

[ Yes those are phoney control H's in the Subject: line ;-]

 I just wanted to say that it was real good (for me anyway) to see the #2
out fron on Saturday. It was even better to see it in the winners circle!
The only thing that could have topped it was to have the #4 turn up 2nd.

 It was a good race. Appeared real clean, not too much bumping and grinding.
Overall it appears that NASCAR has another night race on its hands. The
lighting (as best you can tell from the sofa) looked good, and the action
was hot.

 Only really stupid(?) thing I saw was when Davey (#28) pulled out in front
of Rusty. Good thing nothing happened or all kinds of finger pointing would
have resulted. Glad to see everyone lucked through that one.

-=-

 Anyone going to Dover next weekend?

 -Dan

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From: miller@convex.com (Ken Miller)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Billsburg, Va., USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:33:30 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <92253.120731MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
>>Shane Roach csroach@eng.clemson.edu writes
>
>       Open Seat's for '93       Drivers not under contract for '93
>   # 8- Stavola Bros                     Hut Stricklan

Hut will be driving for Juney Dunleavy (sp) at the Richmond race. The local
paper says Jr. Johnson is picking up Hut next year to replace Sterlin and
didn't want Hut to sit out the rest of the season. So Junior called in
an old favor.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:33:24 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hakkinen for Lotus
 <1992Sep7.160246.10475@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <xyqnlcp.esprit@netcom.com>
 <Bu8C5G.20o@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Someone mentioned a while back that with the new tire rules the Benettons
might stay with the V-8 and the V-12 might be sold to others. It was
also suggested that McLaren might run the Ford V-12s. I would like
to see teams like Lotus and Fondmetal get top flight engines. I think the
Fondmetal team might have scored points with Ford latest engine. The Lotus
boys might be giving Benetton drivers a run for the money if they had
the series VII engine.

Jonathan Swaby