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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:15:13 NZT
From:         Sandy Sartorelli <sandy.cit@MHSGATE.CIT.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Re: Through the eyes of a child

> Date:          26-Jan-93 10:02:23 -0500
> From:          BSCURR01 @ CITSMTP {BSCURR01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu} (Brenda
 Curry-White)
> To:            SANDY @ CIT
> Reply-to:      CHRISTIA @ CITSMTP {CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu}
> Subject:       Through the eyes of a child

>
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> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
> From: Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>
> Reply-To: CHRISTIA@CITSMTP {CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu}
>
> All of you not interested in reading mushy parent stuff delete now...
>
> Sarah, my 5 month old, is becoming such a little personality.  She has learned
> a new game that made me laugh so much last night I almost cried, so I have to
> share it with you.  Sarah was lying on the floor playing with toys.  I laid
> down beside her on my side.  She raised her head and shoulders up to look
> for her daddy behind me.  He had to end up getting on the floor with us to
> play peek-a-boo behind my back.  She laughed and laughed.  Then her daddy
> rolled over on his back and put his feet up in the air like she likes to do.
> She immediately rolled over and did the same thing.  We all laughed so
> hard, it was so cute.  When God created children, he out-did every other
> part of his beautiful creation.
>
> It must be hard to live Sarah's life!
>
> Brenda
>
Brenda, it's lovely to hear your mushy parent stuff!  Sarah sounds
like a very bright little girl and it is wonderful that she brings you
so much joy. I think it's really important to just take the time to
enjoy our children, they grow so quickly.

I think as parents our children often delight us with their eagerness
to learn.  One thing that has been brought home to me lately is that
as adults we need to keep ourselves open to learning.  We need to
keep that freshness, to open our minds to the wonders that God has
put all around us, or life soon becomes one dull chore after another.
And, it's good to know that Jesus has intended much more for us than
that! (John 10:10).









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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:34:57 CST
From:         Anthony Glen Jeffries <jeffries@IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Do other people see this....?
              <01GTYV8866S296W1PF@asu.edu>

> Hi guys:
>
> I just can't resist this.  I, too, am getting bizarre offerrings about
> physics, vampires, and feminism.
>
> Didn't I just say it the other day? -- The WORLD is too much with us!
>
> Love INC,
>
> --Kerry

I'm having the same problem here, too.  No wonder I had 200+ messages in two
days worth of mail.

Anthony Glen Jeffries
Journalism and Mass Communication student, Iowa State University
This does not necessarily represent the opinions of Iowa State University.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:39:12 -0500
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Do other people see this....?
              26 Jan 1993 07:37:27 CST from <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>

Dear Russ,

  I'm getting them, too.  Madge sent a post saying she's looking into it.  I th
ink someone got a bit bored and started having a little fun with the network.



Marissa Ratcliff
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:07:45 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

Brad Kaiser writes:
>
> I found myself wondering why God has not already punished this
> country, when we have so arrogantly filled the cup of His wrath.  Now
> perhaps our (relative) economic decline over the last 20 years is part
> of that punishment (something that never seemed to occur to Ross
> Perot!); perhaps the increasing social disorder is a part of it as
> well.  But they cannot be the whole of our chastisement.
>
Our Sunday school class did a study on the Books of Joshua, Judges and Ruth last
quarter.  The people turned from God, corrupted themselves, God let's them fall
into the hands of their enemies or become oppressed by them, God sends someone
to bring them out of it, and over and over...  When I read and study the Word
of God, I easily forget the time between books and events.  Like how many years
had passed between books or even chapters for that matter.  Genesis 16 and 17
are a good example.  There's 13 years between them.  Our class concluded that
as bad as it is in our world now, it will probably get a lot worse before God
will step in again, but perhaps, he's waiting for us to do it instead?

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:08:00 +1000
From:         Ken Diefenbach <DIEFENBAK@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Revival Centers International (was: Cell Churches - Help)

Hmmm
    I'm not overly rapt in them either. They (at least the ones I know of in
Australia - a whole 1 only) subscribe to British Israelism (ie the theory that
the British are the long lost 12th tribe of Israel). The local church in
Rockhampton (I worked in the same room as a member of the church in Canberra
so I have more direct knowledge of it there) has trumpeted on its billboard
"Jesus said 'You must speak in tongues'" (scripture and verse NOT supplied),
will not let women preach (they can testify only) etc...

    No flame wars please on this .... I have no problem with the use of tongues
(I'd be in BIG trouble if I did - Lyn has prayed in tongues) and I know that
there are other churches who follow the no women preaching bit.....

    So I said to this guy "So you'd have great problems accepting a woman leader
in your church..." (I should add that the Salvation Army is currently "headed"
by a woman who is not only Australian but also born in my native state ....
parochial mode off). My point is that this particular women has had a real
vision for the Army for many years and was used by God in many countries....

    He replied "Well once a month women are incapable of making rational
decisions....".

    For what it's worth
    Ken D.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:18:04 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer Request for our Family

Bill Jordan, praying for your family, and standing with you:
Father God,
I'm so thankful that you are so strong, and that you are such a present
help in trouble. Father, you know the situation in the Jordan family.
God, you know the most intimate details of the Jordan boy's heart and
what goes on in his body. Lord God, we pray peace into this young life.
The same peace that calmed the storm when you spoke the word will calm
this young man's spirit. Father I thank you that physical, mental or
spiritual problems are no match for you! You are the strong and mighty
God of the Ages, and we ask for your blessing to the Jordan Family. In the
name of Jesus Christ, the Strong Son of God........Amen
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:31:45 -0500
From:         BENSON@POKVMCR3.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      RE: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)

From: S. Michael Benson  -POKVMCR3(BENSON)  IBMMAIL(USIB4B43)
                         -benson@pokvmcr3.vnet.ibm.com
                         -MVS System Services Design

OK folks, I haven't nomailed yet...

I have been raised that tongues went out with the apostles.  Just as
there are no apostles now there are no tongues now.  You have all challenged
me to dig deeper into the rationale behind the teaching and draw my own
conclusions.  For that I thank you.

However, two recent posts on the topic concerned me.  First, someone said
(forgive me, I can't remember who) that it freed up their mind to do
other things.  I find that strange.  Can you just start it up and let it
go while you think about the bills you have to pay and that you have to
stop and pick up milk on the way home?  I would think that if you are
praying your mind should be "centered" on God and God alone!

The second point that concerned me was Marissa's post about the Korean
minister.  Now granted, that may be hearsay but it has always concerned
me that you do not know where the power is coming from to do this sort
of thing.  Demons can be very deceptive and can even make themselves look
like angels of light.  I am not saying that anyone who does this is
possessed but it my view it opens up the possibility.

Now you know.  I am a skeptic.  And the bad thing is that I have to go
nomail or I will NEVER get out from under the deluge of e-mail when
I return.  I guess I'll have to pull out the archive to see the response.
(Or you can e-mail me directly if you wish...)

Bye.

                                                              .
Regards,              -IBM Corp.                  (914)296-6199
Mike                  -P.O. Box 950  Y12A/922-1      8+296-6199
                      -Poughkeepsie, NY 12602  FAX(914)296-5155
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:40:38 +0000
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Re>Principles of Interpretation

Read "How to Enjoy the Bible" by E.W. Bullinger (available through CBD or your
local bookstore).  Quite comprehensive and if full of examples on how to apply
the principles.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo
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Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
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>From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
>Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
>Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:50:49 GMT

Fr. John Woolley writes:

>Compared to these things, polygamy, false Scriptures, and magic
>underwear strike me as fairly trivial.

I'm familiar enough with Mormonism to know about their polytheism,
polygamy, and false Scriptures... but what's this "magic underwear"??
(Enquiring minds want to know!)
--
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
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THE E-MAIL ADDRESS INFO.UMD.EDU. DOES NOT WORK OR SEEM TO WORK FOR
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THANKS
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:47:04 CST
From:         Renee Autry <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Money, TV Ministries, People and the like

Darren Provine brings up some very interesting questions regarding our
support (primarily financial) of "Christian programs" ranging from Pat
Robertson to Habitat for Humanity and the information that they promote.

I have seen the 700 Club only a few times, but have noticed that Mr. Robertson
does request money quite frequently on the program, as do many other TV
ministries, programs, etc.  I agree the times I have watched the 700 Club there
has been some question in my mind regarding the statistics, etc.  However, this
is not currently the thread in which I am attempting to converse.

John and I give money to our local church, Habitat for Humanity, a local
battered women's shelter (church-operated) and a "feed the homeless" ministry.
All of these programs give sponsors a very detailed list of how expenses are
handled, how much administrators are paid, etc., which is very important to
me as if I am giving money to feed the hungry I want the money to go for food
and not some terrific salary for the President of the company.  While I can
see that statistics, polls, etc. would be important if you were dealing with
politics and political involment (which seems to be a large emphasis of Mr.
Robertson's ministry), what statistics do you need to build someone a house,
or give them a good meal, or provide safe shelter from abusive husbands?

When John and I decided that we would branch out more as far as our involvment
in additional ministries (aside from our local church) were concerned, we did
some investigating and tried to come to some conclusions regarding which
programs we would contribute to and which we would not.  These were the
decisions we made based on the best information we could find.

Here I am not attempting to isolate Mr. Robertson and his ministry.  I disagree
with Mr. Robertson in many areas (agree with him in others), but this is my
response to *all* queries for money.  I *never* call into a program for a
TV ministry and make a donation unless they can provide me with a written list
of expenditures, even if I agree with their program entirely.  Perhaps that
is terribly skeptical of me, but it does ensure, to the best of my ability that
my money is going to help other people and not provide a 1993 car for the
host, or pastor, etc.  This is my understanding of what it means to be a good
steward.

Renee Autry (SRAutry@Samford)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:02:08 -0600
From:         Noe Torres | ECISD <noe@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

On 25 Jan 1993, Scott Hayes wrote:

> It's interesting to note that Jesus reiterates 9 of the 10 commandments.
>
> The only exception is the "sabbath day" (Saturday).  Today most church's
> I know of meet on the "Lords's day" (Sunday).
>

Then again, Jesus did say He was Lord even of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:28),
His custom was to worship on the Sabbath day (Luke 4:16), He indicated the
Sabbath was applicable to all human beings (Mark 2:27), and He expressed
concern that his followers might have to someday flee Jerusalem on the Sabbath
(Matt. 24:20).

While He may have taught about the inappropriateness of the burdensome
human traditions that had been attached to the "day of rest" (Sabbath)
commandment, I do not believe He reversed Himself, nor His Father's law
((Matt. 5:18).

But please, this is my humble opinion.

noe@tenet.edu
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I am posting the following message for the Molecular Physics Laboratory at
SRI International.
Wes Walter


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NSF Research Experiences for Undergraduates (REU) site in Physics for
summer 1993.  The REU program provides stipends and travel funds for
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SRI International is a nonprofit research organization located in the
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extending into chemical physics, physical chemistry , and solid state
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available for undergraduate participation, including studies of carbon-60
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the use of lasers for detection and analysis of atoms, molecules, and
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A number of undergraduate students have had excellent experiences as
visiting researchers at SRI in the past several years, and the scientists
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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: centering prayer/prayer of silence/contemplation, etc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:41:08 GMT
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I would like to know if anyone of you brothers and sisters outside of the
Roman Catholic or various Orthodox churches out there practice or are familiar
with centering prayer, the prayer of the heart, the prayer of silence, or
Christian contemplative prayer no matter what it may be called.  That is kind
of a long sentence, but hopefully a simple question.

I am particularly interested in hearing from anyone from charismatic/pentecost-
al backgrounds.

For those of you who don't know what in the world I am talking about, when you
pray, do you ever feel that you just don't have any more adequate words and so
you just sort of rest before the Lord in love, not saying anything, but re-
maining in an attitude of prayer/worship?  That is something like contemplative
prayer (the terminology is R.C. - they have words for everything!).

Let me know by e-mail if you have time.  Thanks, zane of dhahran
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:45:39 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

Darren F Provine writes:

(Stuff deleted)

>
>
>Mr Laplante wrote that various researchers have documented differences between
>the news and American society at large.  But that survey depends on what
>people SAY -- counting newspaper sales measures what people DO.  Whether they
>SAY are liberal or conservative, and whether they SAY they would like news
>with a different bias, what they DO is watch network news far more than they
>watch conservative commentators.

Would someone tell me WHERE to find a conservative news broadcast. Is it
possible that most people watch the liberal news because that is all there
is to watch?

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>But suppose Mr Limbaugh was number one in his timeslot; his timeslot is late
>at night.  Any of these commentary/humor-oriented shows would probably get
>clobbered if it were advertised as, and competing with, mainstream network
>news programs -- in part because they don't come across as `news'.  (At least,
>they don't come across that way to me.)

Limbaugh has been on the air for a VERY short period of time. He has FEW
affiliates compared to Arsenio and Leno. All things considered, he has a
remarkably large audience.

(Stuff deleted)

By the way, Darren, I agree with your assesment of the need for Christians
to start their own schools. We (believers) have billions of dollars worth of
buildings sitting empty during most of the week. Wouldn't this be an
excellent use of our stewardship?

God Bless!

Jim Coen
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:06:49 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Don't mention the Lord

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:56:56 CST MICHELE LOFTON said:
>Was it mentioned anywhere how she was discussing religion to her
>classmates?  How was it that the bus driver was able to hear what
>she was discussing among all of the other conversations occurring
>on the bus?  Why was the Vice Principle involved?  Did students
>complain, because she was just talking about the Lord and sharing
>her faith?  How was she discussing the Lord to her schoolmates?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>Michele Lofton <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>

I thought about this, but it sounded as though the ACLJ was going there
to investigate. I would have thought all these questions would have been
asked before they took on the expense to take action. Therefore, I guess
I would give them the benefit of the doubt and figure they thought they
had something.

Maks.
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