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From: ukcy@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Kevin Yager)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:54:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.202753.8772@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes (about Cheektowaga):
>
>Other commonly seen ornaments in Cheektowaga include wooden fat ladies bending  
>over tending a garden, blue and purple orbs on pedistals, plastic deer and duck  
Back a couple of years ago when "wooden fat ladies" seemed to be at their peak
I recall counting 26 of them during a 2 hour drive from Constableville, up 
through Lowville, Harrisville, Degrasse to Colton.

I remember coming home from Colton on Thanksgiving Day 3 years ago.  We drove 
South on RT56 from South Colton to Fine and didn't pass a car.  After about
20 minutes of driving on this lonely road I started to think about how far
we would have to hike in the 10 degree weather if my old junk car quit.
Once you get out of South Colton it's almost 30 miles to Cranberry Lake
and their damned few houses.

It wasn't long after that I put a CB in my car.  just in case....

Kevin



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The Oriskany Battlefield...the Root Glen...pizza or pasta in Cavallo's
back room...RFA stadium football...the Blue Sox...the blinking neon
Paul Revere sign...the Paul Revere Motel...the Beeches...Harts Hill Inn...
the Truck Route...turkey joints from the Candyland Restaurant...Daddy's
Drive In...Lyle Bosley, Bill Carroll, Dick Lawler...fried eggplant at
Symeon's...kibbee at Baraty's...shopping at Mills Factory, the Boston
Store, Simpkins, Goldbergs, Doyle Knower, and Kanoffs...the drum pageant...
Jervis Library...Griffiss AFB...Ed Hanna..."the Munstitute"...the 
Parkway...Val Bialas...Utica Zoo-zoo-zoo, how about you-you-you...
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From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] Lord of the Control-H")
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Subject: Re: Weather
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:05:01 GMT
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In-reply-to: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu's message of 4 Jan 93 18:50:00 GMT

In article <#772jg+@rpi.edu> kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
>   Long Island is bigger and more diverse than a lot of people seem to
>   think. People from outside the Island who spend a lot of time there
>   (and this included me until a couple of years ago) generally only
>   see the congested suburban jungle of Nassau County. There's a lot
>   more out there, though.

    In _Blue Highways_, the author is speaking to a man who lives out at
the eastern end of Long Island.  The man complains that even though he
lives ten miles from Rhode Island and a hundred miles from new York
City, he lives in the State of New York and people from elsewhere think
of him as a New York City person.

    He says that the east end of Long Island is much more like new
England than it is like New York City, and he says that he thinks that
Long Island would be part of Connecticut or Rhode Island instead of New
York, if only the East River were a real river instead of a little
stream of piss.

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From: scmj@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Christine Johnson)
Subject: Re: Weather
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:57:48 GMT

In article <kfEX0qa00UhWI2lpkO@andrew.cmu.edu> ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian J Gardner) writes:
>
>On the distinction between areas of NY, you have:
>
>NYC/LI:  Really just one and the same place.
>
>Anyhow, that's all...  Hope to hear more from ya...
>
>Ian

Sorry, Ian, but I beg to differ...  I grew up on Long Island and it is
certainly NOT the same as NYC.  I grew corn in my spacious backyard,
went strawberry picking and walked in my neighborhood after dark without
fearing for my life.  Long Island is a big place - take a visit to the
potato farm area in eastern Long Island and tell me it is just like
the city!
 

-- 
Chris Johnson			scmj@sunyit.edu
"I guess there has to be rules otherwise we'd be having
fun ALL the time!"  - Dennis the Menace
From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Wings and things...
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Since we're on the subject...Where does everyone go for the best wings?  The
best wings I've ever had are at Ilio DiPaolo's Restaurant in Blasdell.


Something I forgot to mention before in regards to Salvage Sam's and
Lancaster......

DANCING LUKE is still around!  Yes, believe it or not, he hasn't been killed
yet.

Dancing Luke is this crazy old guy who walks up and down the sidewalks (and
occasionally jumps in front of traffic!) at the corner of Walden Avenue and 
Central Avenue in Lancaster.  He's been at it for as long as I can remember.
He's out almost everyday at all times of the day:  Night, winter, it doesn't
matter.  Chances are you'll find him.


 The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.
From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:35:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <C0GCMI.9zK@world.std.com> fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush) writes:
>Actually it's spelled "Schaeubroek"...but pronounced Shoe-brook.
>
>And yes, he did spend some time in jail in the '60s...then founded the
>HOG in his mother's basement.  645 Titus came along a few
>years later...it used to be a funeral home!

When Armand started selling guitars from his Mom's house, it was a violation
of his parole.  Fortunately, his PO ignored this, seeming to think that it
showed a certain amount of positive social action.  He also began selling
hard to find records.  If you remember this was the early 1960's and the
local record stores would hardly stoop to selling some of the experimental
groups of the time.  His first store was across the street and down a bit
from 645 Titus Avenue.  He rapidly outgrew the store and bought the old
GRANGE HALL (not a funeral parlor) at 645.  The rear building expansion
(which may or may not have been a funeral parlor, I don't know) came later.

If you look carefully at the front of the store, you can see the old Grange
hall engravings in the stone.

Does anyone remember his "Sail on Sailor" ad?  His album with the target on
it?  His t-shirts with the target on it?


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From: barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:03:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1iiavdINNqod@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes:
>In article <2002c9k@rpi.edu>, kasprj@sage4a.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
>> [plan to reorganize Northeast US]
>
>Interesting idea, Jim...
>
>But you should probably take everything in Massachusetts west of Springfield
>and put it in whichever of these New York puppies gets Albany (Adirondack?), 
>because nobody in Massachusetts believes there's anything west of Springfield, 
>anyways (besides which, that section of Mass is as conservative as central New 
>York State -- I always feel rather like I'm still in Cooperstown when I go out
>there.  It's very much unlike the easternmost reaches of Mass, which are 
>more liberal, and Pittsfield and their neighbors would probably feel more
>at home as part of Adirondack...)
>
>
>Faith

Actually, if you're taking MA apart there are several fault lines
to do it on.  Berkshire County is culturally part of NY (e.g., there's
delis), the three Valley counties are a unit that might be happiest with
VT, though perhaps not vice versa, Worcester County is much like NH, and
the SE part is more like RI.

For a neat exercise in redrawing USA and Canada, see "The nine nations of
North America" by (I think) Joel Garreau.  It has "New England" as the
six NE states, plus the maritimes, minus Fairfield County Connecticut.
The rest of NY state was in "The Foundry" (industrial heartland, stretching
to Chicago), except that NYC was separated out.  It and DC were the tenth
and eleventh "nations".  The boundaries of NYC were unspecified, but I
would go along with NYC plus Rockland, Westchester, Fairfield, and Nassau
counties and whatever the approriate part of NJ is.  That might leave Suffolk
county for New England, except that I think the west end of Suffolk county
is pretty urbanized by now.

Dave MB
From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan6.060410.19730@cis.ohio-state.edu>, imes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes) writes...
>In article <C0Etux.ACx@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>>
>>	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
> 
>You bet it would be.  Cut off New York State north of NYC (say Yonkers) and 
>you find that the state's tax situation is resolved due to NYC and LI's hungry
>appetites for state funding.  If I recall the figures right (couple years old
>now) roughly 35-40% of the taxes collected in NYS go to fund Downstate NY 
>organizations (like Welfare, NYC apt ceiling funds, etc...)  Cutting off NYC
>would produce sooooo much more money for the rest of the state that the taxes 
>could be reduced for once instead of the constant rises I keep hearing about.

I thought it was a lot more than 40%.  I remember one of my HS history teachers
saying that NYC pays 1/3 of the taxes but gets 2/3 of the benefits.  Did you
ever notice that NYS is shaped like a funnel?  All the money goes to NYC.

I think kicking NYC out of the state would be great.  We'd get rid of all the
NYC bums who go to UB and we'd also finally get Mario out of office!  When's
the last time this state had a governor that wasn't from downstate?


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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:46:23 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

Think og the logistics of creating a new state within an existing one ... I  
thought about it over the past couple of days, and it cuuld be done, but it  
would be a long process.   Some of Dan's thoughts ...

1)  Dissolve New York State entirely on January 1, 2000.  At that time, two new  
states would be created, "New York", consisting of New York City, Nassau,  
Suffolk and Rockland Counties, and "Iroquois", consisting of the rest of the  
former New York State.  The name "New York" would belong to the downstaters  
because they have more of a claim to it, and it would be unlikely people from  
"Iroquois" would want to be related with New York City.

2)  Some of the things that would be affected include ...

- tax systems
- licencing requirements for professional occupations (bar exam, engineer  
certification, etc)
- DMV, driver registration, licensing, etc.  What would an Iroquois license  
plate look like?
- birth and death records
- deeds and land surveys.  ("Lot 3, Block 2, Woodstream Fars Subdivision Phase  
1, Town of Amherst, State of Iroquois"?)
- banking systems - would big statewide banks like Marine Midland, Citibank,  
etc be split up?
- SUNY ... since a majority of the schools are located un Upstate, would many  
be closed, or would there be a recriprocal agreement allowing students to  
attend each other state's colleges, charging in-state tuition?
- and so on ... these are just a few of the things that would be affected ...

3)  Buffalo would now be the biggest city/metro area in the State of Iroquois.   
It has _lots_ of tax-sucking infrastructure like an extensive freeway system, a  
subway, two large SUNY schools, an airport that desperately needs to be  
rebuilt/relocated, and so on.  Now that Buffalo would be the dominant social,  
financial and cultural center of the State of Iroquois, would people complain  
about excessive tax money going to that area, just like Upstaters now complain  
about NYC getting a disproportionate amount of tax funds?  So we cut Buffalo/  
Western New York off from Iroquois and make it it's own state, say, "South  
Ontario" :).  Now, Rochester is the big tax-fund sucker ... then Syracuse, then  
Albany, and Binghampton, and Utica ...  

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From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)
Subject: The Good Rats (was Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:30:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett Packard

In article <C0I2KF.6IL@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook) writes:
>Do I remember the "Sail on Sailor" ad?  I was actually going to mention
>that one too, when I asked about Mr. Tomato.  I do miss late-night
>television commercials in Rochester.
>
>
>Now for another trivia question.  What band played "Let's go surfing in
>the Barge Canal?"  I cannot remember the answer to this either.
>
>.
 
 I don't have an answer for you but all this talk about the HOG and
 bands jogged my memory of the Good Rats.  I used to see them when I
 could during my college days in Ro-cha-cha.  They were real popular
 at the time - got a lot of airplay on WCMF - anybody know what
 happened to those guys?
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From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Troy --> Albany?
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:36:51 GMT

In article <hf10.726811757@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>, hf10@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (FieryPhoenix) writes:
|> I was wondering...
|> 
|> How long does it take to commute from Troy <---> Albany?
 
 From up on the hill in Troy to, say, the Empire State Plaza takes about 
15 minutes in the best of conditions, maybe 20 to 25 during rush hour. 
(Albany doesn't know how lucky it is when it comes to traffic. "Congested"
conditions on I-787 means that traffic is moving slower than 55 mph. After
growing up near Hartford, where rush hour means that I-84 and I-91 are 
stopped dead for ten miles in any direction, I must conclude that Albany
is pretty wimpy in terms of rush hour traffic.)
 
 If you use public transportation, the #22 bus will get you from Fulton
and Third in Troy to the Empire State Plaza in 35 minutes. The express
bus, which runs during rush hours on workdays, makes it in about 20.
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From: dperry@pacman.WPI.EDU (Deborah Perry)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: southern tier
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:23:24 GMT
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From: imes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:04:10 GMT

In article <C0Etux.ACx@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>
>	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?

You bet it would be.  Cut off New York State north of NYC (say Yonkers) and 
you find that the state's tax situation is resolved due to NYC and LI's hungry
appetites for state funding.  If I recall the figures right (couple years old
now) roughly 35-40% of the taxes collected in NYS go to fund Downstate NY 
organizations (like Welfare, NYC apt ceiling funds, etc...)  Cutting off NYC
would produce sooooo much more money for the rest of the state that the taxes 
could be reduced for once instead of the constant rises I keep hearing about.

Well, nuff fer now....
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CIS Undergraduate Student	   apart by something as simple as wild dogs."
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From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] FANTASY or REALITY")
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:37:59 GMT
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Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: barring@cs.washington.edu's message of 8 Jan 93 01:03:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.010332.7550@beaver.cs.washington.edu> barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington) writes:
>   For a neat exercise in redrawing USA and Canada, see "The nine nations of
>   North America" by (I think) Joel Garreau.  
>   The rest of NY state was in "The Foundry" (industrial heartland, stretching
>   to Chicago), except that NYC was separated out.  The boundaries of
>   NYC were unspecified

    Just the contrary.  He was very specific indeed: His New York City
was Manhattan Island, south of 96th Street on the West Side and 86th
Street on the East Side.  (I guess the Foundry got a trapezoidal wedge
at the north end of Central Park.)
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Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Upstate (was Re: southern tier)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:29:29 GMT
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In article <1isdt1INN290@bigboote.WPI.EDU> dperry@pacman.WPI.EDU (Deborah Perry) writes:
>
>Glad to hear the southern tier mentioned. (Sorry about previous mix-ups;
>I'm new at posting.) I grew up in Corning and go back as frequently as
>I can. Still have family in the area. I agree with the others who stated
>that this newsgroup is a link to home. I'll always be an "up-stater" never
>a New Englander.

Wow...  I thought I was weird because my life's goal is to get the
heck out of this overcrowded rat race known as the D.C. area and
back to Upstate NY (Schenectady/Niskayuna). 

Now I see I'm not alone in my love of the area...

Nice group, this...  8^)

cheers

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From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Cheektowaga
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0EyBE.50o@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes...
>v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:
> 
>>I am very embarrassed to say that Salvatore's is in Lancaster and only two
>>miles from my house.  =(
> 
>Speaking of Lancaster, is a place called "Salvage Sam's" still in existance?
>Or did the fire department close it down as a public hazard?
> 
>Salvage Sam's is/was an electronic hobbiest's nightmare, it is a small store
>packed almost SOLID with surplus/junk electronic-related stuff of all sorts.
>Half the stuff you couldn't even get to, it was out of reach or buried.
> 
>There were rumors of what was in the basement or garages the owner had...
> 
>-Mike

Salvage Sam's is still there.


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:22:09 GMT

Only one thing to say

Da Bills !!!!!!!
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From: hirvo001@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:51:10 GMT

Here's another that people have trouble pronouncing in central NY:
Taughannock!
Pronounced:  taw-gan-ick
#1 popular mispronounciation:  tawgan-ock
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