From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: The Manning-Trudeau Manifesto?
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:13:28 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

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audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:

>In article (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>>Of course, we all tend to think that all the "right-minded" people
>>agree with us - and anyone who doesn't agree on vital points is
>>wrong-minded by definition, right?

>Relis ce que j'ai ecrit avant de monter sur tes grands chevaux. Les
>negociations sur le "rapatriement" (deja, le terme est subjectif car
>c'etait beaucoup plus qu'un rapatriement) ont eut lieu a portes
>fermees. Trudeau a presente son projet de facon different au Quebec
>qu'au Canada anglais:
>
>1) Au Canada anglais -> une charte des droits protegeants les citoyens
>   contre les abus des gouvernements (lire: le mechant gouvernement du
>   Quebec)
>
>2) Au Quebec -> Rapatrier "chez nous" une constitution qui est
>   injustement encore chez "les anglais". (je ne vois pas pourquoi tu
>   capotes sur "les anglais", c'etait bien chez eux qu'etait la
>   constitution, a Londres: encore une facon de detourne le sens de
>   mes paroles).
=
= Reread what I wrote before getting up on your high horse.  The
= negotitations on the "repatriation" (already, the term is subjective
= because it was much more than a repatriation) took place behind
= closed doors.  Trudeau presented his project differently in Quebec
= and in English Canada:
=
= 1) In English Canada -> a Charter of Rights protecting citizens
=    against abuses by governments (I.E. that crummy Quebec government)
=
= 2) In Quebec -> Bringing "home" a constitution that was unjustly
=    still with "the English". (I do not see why you object to
=    "the English"; the constitution was truly with them, in London:
=    another way of twisting my meaning).

>La deuxieme partie de la strategie etait de de-legitimiser la
>responsabilite du gouvernement du Quebec (Levesque) de faire les
>negociations, sous pretexte qu'il avait perdu son referendum.
>Cependant, par la suite (entre la premiere et la deuxieme serie de
>negociations), Levesque futt reelu.
=
= The second part of the strategy was to de-legitimize the
= responsability of the Government of Quebec (under Levesque) to
= participate in negotiations, under the pretext that he had lost
= his referendum.  However, Levesque was subsequently re-elected
= (between the first and second series of negotiations).

>Il est clair que Trudeau a cache bien des choses aux gens. Les
>pouvoirs accrus des tribunaux (non-elus, evidemment). Le plus
>degeulasse la-dedans, c'est justement le fait qu'il a fait passer son
>projet sans tenir compte des provinces (qui avaient deja unanimement
>presente un contre-projet), et en faisant croire a la population que
>ce n'etait qu'un "rapatriement".
>                                                       Francois Audet
=
= It is clear that Trudeau hid many things from people.  His power
= came from courts (non-elected, obviously).  The most disgusting
= thing is certainly the fact that he pushed his project through
= without taking into account the provinces (who had already
= unanimously presented a counter-proposal), and making people
= believe that it was nothing but a "repatriation."


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Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
Montreal
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