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From: naufal@ocf.berkeley.edu (Naufal A. Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: A SPECIAL RAG NEWS FLASH --- BABRI MOSQUE
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:50:17 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec14.040714.3223@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.
Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

>************************************************************************

>		THE RAG 

>*************************************************************************

>		PAKISTAN'S ALLEGED INVOLVEMENT

>From an unconfirmed source in the Indian Intelligence, a wing of the
>pakistani military intelligence was involved in the Babri Mosque destruction.
>Pakistani commando's dressed as brahmins in safron robes, incited innocent
>hindues into religious fervour.  The safronned pakistani's mission
>was to weaken India's secularism and start a muslim secessionist movement,
>centred in  Rampur, a city in UP( a stronghold of the rohillas). 
>Also as an aside the pro-democratic movement started by Benazir was diffused.

>Our source was befundled by the news, but was adamant that after much thought
>it had to be true, because Pakistan has been responsible for all the problems
>faced by India. 


>******************************************************************************
>editor-in-chief sahibzada rafay khan
>editor Tanveer Mohd.
>reporter farrukh shah khan
>	 jehangir hashmi
>*******************************************************************************


Hey, how come my name is not on the list ??  My only fault is that I
wrote some articles about NEPPA and some other idiots.  First, you 
people took my Honda and now you did this !!!!!!!

Watch out guys ! You know that I'm a Rampuri Pathan, plus I will complain
to brother Hamza.

						shocked,
							Naufal Khan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Muslims - First Line Of Action
Keywords: Hope many other Indians come out of the closet....
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:03:57 GMT

In article <dbose.724706680@sirocco.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>>last few days, I have actually grown to like you, may be we should get to know each other better, especially if you are as cute as your articles..... 
>
>
>>With longing hope forever your admirer,
>>Shams Hasan.
>
>
>
>	How nice of you to use such beautiful words for me !
>	An unexpected thing of a Pakistani like you .
>	May be you are still carrying some of the good
>	qualities of your forefathers who were hindus once
>	upon a time .
>			
>		BUt, my dear Shams , I was very sorry not to find a reply
>		to my questions to you in my last article .
>
>		The letter to which you have replied was 
>		unfortunately for Abdur not for you .
>
>		Anyway, I don't mind that . But I would surely feel 
>		bad if you don't respond to my questions on
>															1) KATUANESS IN ISLAM
					    PLEASE, I COULD NOT ASCERTAIN
					    WHAT "KATUANESS IN ISLAM" MEANS ?
					    WILL YOU BE SWEET ENOUGH, CUTIE
					    PIE, POPSICLE, SWEET HONEY TO
					    USE YOUR SEXY FINGERS ON THE 
					    LUCKY KEYBOARD AND TELL US WHAT
					    IT MEANS ?
>															2) AADHA L*ND AND CHAAR BIVIAN !!
					    ACTUALLY, IT IS CIRCUMCISION
					    WHICH YOU CALL AADHA L*ND (BTW IT
					    IS L*N, AND IF U CAN MAKE THE 
					    EFFORT, ANY MUSLIM CAN DEMONSTRATE
					    THE POWER OF IT TO YOU AND YOUR
					    LIKES, LIKE BABUR DID TO CUTE HINDU
					    KIDS LIKE U. OHH! HOW MY HOW SWEET
					    IT IS TALKING NAUGHTY TO A KID LIKE
					    YOU. 
>
					    OH, AND I ALMOST GOT CARRIED AWAY
					    BY MY AFFECTION FOR U, FOUR WIVES
					    ARE A MUST IF WE CAN AFFORT IT.
					    OTHERWISE, MUSLIMS HAVE A REPUTA-
					    TION FOR AFFINITY TO CUTE KIDS 
					    SUCH AS YOUR CUTENESS.
>														Please read my last article for details .
>														I know you are embarrassed to reply .
				 YOU KNOW, YOU ARE SOO RIGHT ! I WAS
				 ALMOST RED AS A BEET, READING YOUR NAUGHTY
				 NAUGHTY ARTICLE. MY MY DEEPAK WHAT A NAUGHTY
				 KID YOU ARE !
>
>																						HAVE FUN WITH ALL FOUR !!!!!
		  THANKS ! I WILL TRY. btw, DONOT FEEL JEALOUS, I STILL HAVE
		  A VERY SPECIAL SOFTNESS IN MY HEART FOR YOU TOO.
>
>																									HI HI HI HI !!!!!
>
>																bye bye
>																																				Deepak 
>																																				   
Your everloving admirer,
Shams Hasan.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: MIRZA TAHIR AHMAD ON THE BABRI MOSQUE INCIDENT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:15:18 GMT


Dear Mirza Tahir Ahmad,

Your sermon was long, was tiresome, and I hope you can take the whole length
and breadth of this sermon and place it in a more appropriate location, which
the norms of decency donot allow me to define on SCP.

Have a great 1993!

Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A news item
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:08:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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			A news item

	Here is a news item which s.c.p. readers may find interesting. You
can, of course, draw whatever conclusions you want about Islamic solidarity.



			News-Dec 20

From Indian Consulate, Vancouver up to Dec 1

GENERAL
	The UAE government has expelled a large number of foreigners who were
said to be living there illegally. They include about 5000 Pakistanis and 300
Indians. They had been detained after participating in demonstrations 
protesting against the destruction of the Babri Masjid.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18477 soc.culture.indian:41397 soc.culture.bangladesh:6863
From: ahmada@serss0 (Azeem Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:05:17 GMT

In article <BzH2A9.oJ@ucunix.san.uc.edu> bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.120229@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>>In article <lj3u5aINNt1l@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu 
>
>
>>Thats the whole problem. Pakistan was a "dream" of but one man
>>which sought to play with the destinies of millions. (Reminds me of Lenin and
>>Co. !!)
>>
>>Its so easy to conjure up visions of utopia in a "dream" but it does not take
>>into account the realities of life and human beings. It so easy to suggest that
>>muslims and hindus form a different nation, that there are "differences" which
>>are unsurmountable and that the only solution is to ask people to uproot
>>themselves from their land and forsake neighbors with whom they had relations
>>for generations and cause the massacre of a few millions, just for the 
>>fulfilment of one man's dream.
>>
>>--Javed.
>>
>
>I fully agree with Javed here. The stupid "dreams" of some myopic jokers in 
>which they view that religious differences are enough basis to carve
>out separate political countries out of India are the root cause of lot
>of misery in the subcontinent. RJB/BM is only one symptom of the diseases
>spawned by this stupid dream, part of which was realized in 1947 and some
>other parts are being faought for in Kashmir. The peaceful co-existence of
>multiple religions in India requires that the philosophy of carving separate
>religion based states be abandoned by all Indians. And if the religion in
>some direct/indirect way exhorts its followers to create religious states
>then the religion will have to be re-viewed from a new perspective of 
>co-existence with other religions, and the parts of religions that preach
>exclusive superiority for the "special/chosen" followers will have to be 
>done away with.  
>
>If there is significant support for BJP/VHP etc. it is not because there
>is some objection among Hindus either to the philosophy of mono-theism of
>Islam or to the mechanism of namaz being a way of worship. Nobody cares
>for these differences. If there is objection it is becasue of the politics 
>of creating
>Islamic states out of India. Any sure indicator of the abandonment of such

Why is any nationalism, Indian nationalism here, such a holy cow?

Besides Muslims would never had demanded a separate state, had they been
guaranteed their rights and security from from being trampled upon by a ruthless
majority. Recently we did see a ruthless mob of (not so few) people have their
way at the cost of not only Muslims but Indian law itself.


>religio-political objectives will be the real progress towards peace in the
>sub-continent. 
>
>
>---raj


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Muslims - First Line Of Action
Keywords: Hope many other Indians come out of the closet....
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:24:40 GMT

hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>last few days, I have actually grown to like you, may be we should get to know each other better, especially if you are as cute as your articles..... 


>With longing hope forever your admirer,
>Shams Hasan.



	How nice of you to use such beautiful words for me !
	An unexpected thing of a Pakistani like you .
	May be you are still carrying some of the good
	qualities of your forefathers who were hindus once
	upon a time .
			
		BUt, my dear Shams , I was very sorry not to find a reply
		to my questions to you in my last article .

		The letter to which you have replied was 
		unfortunately for Abdur not for you .

		Anyway, I don't mind that . But I would surely feel 
		bad if you don't respond to my questions on
															1) KATUANESS IN ISLAM
															2) AADHA L*ND AND CHAAR BIVIAN !!

														Please read my last article for details .
														I know you are embarrassed to reply .

																						HAVE FUN WITH ALL FOUR !!!!!

																									HI HI HI HI !!!!!

																bye bye
																																				Deepak
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:53:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.234957.4275@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un032053@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>To the Citizens of Bangladesh:
>
>Congratulations on the day of victory against military dictators who 
>have robbed and looted every one regardless of the ethnic origion of 
>their prey.
>
>A Pakistani
>
>Khalid
>

Thank you very much.  I do aprreciate your sincerity.  You've set a good
example of great mind.  Bravo!!

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Why is everyone discussing religion on this newsgroup?
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:19:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.144638.25816@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
> At the risk of incurring the wrath of Shakil "Wise" Ahmed, who
> has earlier chastised me for asking this question, I still feel
> compelled to ask the question in the subject line yet again,
> given the nature of recent discussions here.
> 
> Shakil will reply that religion is a popular issue in our 
> subcontinent, and he seems to think that this confers legitimacy
> on religious discussion on the subcontinental newsgroups. I 
> do not however feel that religious discusion belongs in the
> soc.culture hierarchy. I would like to know what other netters
> feel about the matter.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> -Sayan.
> -- 
> Sayan Bhattacharyya          |   Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.
> Graduate student             |
> Artificial Intelligence Lab  |
> The University of Michigan   |

     Why not? Religion is a part of culture. This does not mean that we should 
limit our religous discussions solely to Islam. Any religion that is relevant toBangali culture is an appropriate topic. You cannot deny that Islam and 
Hinduism have both had much influence on Bangla culture. Besides any 
individual who objects to religous articles could just press "n".
Rafat Sadiq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: A news item
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:01:15 GMT

banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:

>			A news item

>			News-Dec 20

>From Indian Consulate, Vancouver up to Dec 1

>GENERAL
>	The UAE government has expelled a large number of foreigners who were
>said to be living there illegally. They include about 5000 Pakistanis and 300
						       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA    !!!!!

	 ISLAMIC SOLIDARITY  ZINDABAAD !!!!

	 OIC    ZINDABAD !!!!!

	 HO   HO   HO   HO  HO !!!!

>Indians. They had been detained after participating in demonstrations 
>protesting against the destruction of the Babri Masjid.
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!

	     I AGAIN FEEL VERY SORRY FOR YOU PAKISTANIS !

	     YOUR ALLAH DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY KIND TO YOU .

	     WHAT'S THE MATTER ??????

	     HO HO HO HO HO HO HO !!!!

	     AND FINALLY :

	     PAKISTAN ZINDABAAD !

	     HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE !

		HEY !!  HEY !!!  SHAMS HASAN , WHERE ARE YOU ???

		DON'T YOU HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS, MY SWEETHEART !!
		 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: DO WE NEED RELIGION OR DEVELOPMENT ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.231533.6952@gw.wmich.edu>, x92nath@gw.wmich.edu writes...
>hi netters,
>...deleted

	First we need religion to reduce the number of people.
	Development will follow thereafter.

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Request for few articles...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:56:59 GMT



About a month ago, there was a discussion on scp on why eating pork is not
allowed in Islam. Could someone please mail me those articles? or is there any
ftp site available from where I can get those articles?
Thanks in advance.

my email address is:
husaia@rpi.edu


----
Atiya


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: haque@.mcc.com (Kashif Haque)
Subject: One dayers in Australia/New Zealand
Summary: Wanted some cricket news
Originator: haque@sundown.mcc.com
Organization: MCC, Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:31:23 GMT

Us-salaam-o-alaeikum

I you have any information about the results of the matches played so far
please post it to the group.  This is the first time i am posting anything
(as you regulars can tell) but i have been reading the good and the patheticly
ugly (deepak bosre) articles for the past two days or so.  Glad to be a part of 

the group.  Talk to you all later.


Khuda Hafiz-o-Nasir
Kashif
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mursheda@skat.usc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Showing a dumb head how to send news
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:05:56 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu


.............
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aam9n@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Addresses of Pakistani Newspapers
Originator: aam9n@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:06:51 GMT

I am looking for the mailing addresses for major Pakistani English language
newspapers and magazines. I would also appreciate addresses for Pakistani
newspapers published in the North America, Europe, Australia or elsewhere
outside Pakistan. Please e-mail me any addresses you might have. Thank you
very much.

Ali Minai

Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18393 soc.culture.bangladesh:6835
From: ahmed%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:49:11 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rio.cs.yale.edu

In article <92352.180436U54479@uicvm.uic.edu>, REHAN U. HAQUE.
<U54479@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

> All I have ever been taught in school while in Pakistan is that the
> Pakistani Army was defending the country against the aggression of
> the Mukti Bahni; that West-Pakistanis were being killed by the
> members of this organization and that if it were not for India's
> intervention, East-Pakistan would never have been lost. No text book
> in Pakistan would ever expand on the destruction of the then
> East-Pakistan, or the scores of innocent people that were killed or
> slaughtered.

You have hit the nail on the head.  And it is precisely this rather
distorted view of history that most Bangladeshis object to and get so
passionate about.  It is difficult to comprehend the true extent of
the devastation of '71 when one has been brought up with such
misleading reports.  And this is why so many Pakistanis fail to
understand what the liberation struggle really was about, choosing
instead to withdraw further into their own shells under a cloud of
misguided patriotism.  This is what most Bangladeshis refer to when it
comes to "apologizing" for the genocide of '71.  If the government of
Pakistan officially acknowledged what had happened, there would not be
a need to write fictional history books, and everyone could live with
the truth.  How are we to learn if not from history?

There has been much injustice in history.  Some countries such as
Germany have openly regretted their past and done much to compensate.
Then there are others, such as the scenario being discussed, where the
offending government has denied responsibility.  The former approach
is much healthier for all parties involved.  A stubborn refusal to
face history for what it is can only lead to further conflict.  And
that is why you will see more Pakistanis deny atrocities that
international media has documented, and hence provoke more
Bangladeshis to understandably passionate outbursts.  It's clearly not
the way to promote better understanding of any sort...

-- Shakil
From: x92nath@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: DO WE NEED RELIGION OR DEVELOPMENT ?
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:15:33 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

hi netters,

	A long discussion on religion , good or bad, but looks like that
for Hindus Hinduisim is the best and same for Islam.  Religion is a matter
of heart and so you cannot chane the thinkink based on logics.

	It is clear that Hindus can see the fault of Islam and Mohammadans
can see that of Hindus, but none sees their own drawbacks. Question is do
We really need God, religion and such things which divides humanity.  this
fight shows that God really does not exist and no need of religion at all.
Why we cannot live like brothers ? what is the difference in the blood of 
a Muslim ana a Hindu ?

How does it makes a difference whether a hindu dies or muslim ?

Life is equally important for everybody.  If you can think the pain and grief
of the dead family, you will realize that it doesnot make any difference if
he was hindu or muslim.

It is a matter of grief that even the educated people who are in this
net can understant that human life and humanity is more important than
Ram and Mohammad. What to speak of the masses of India and Pakistan.

If we can fight on the net like this why cannot the illiterate masses?


We need to understant that both Pakistan and India need economic growth. People
need food to eat, cloth to wear and house to live.  Human need doesnot change
with his religion.

Let Indian and Pakistanies and Hindu and muslim think that if they are out
of the well in which they used to live, than come out of religious matter
and give people a happiness.  If after coming to USA we are still fighting on
dogmas and not thinking of Economic development and a state where human life is
valued, than it is useless to take education.

We have to start think that economic developments are much more needed than
any of the religion.  Religion always teaches love for God and If we belive
that all are sons of God than There should be no fightings like this.

I  think We are losing more because of religion than getting anything from it.
If We want to believe in God lets follow his message to

TulsiDas in Ramyan Writes.


Parhit sahis Dharm Nahin Bahin,

		Par peers Sahis Nahin Adhmain.


"There is no religion equal to helping others

	There is no sin more than torturing others"


Religion which was based on love is no more understood and so we

donot this socalled religious Fantisim.


So let us stop fighting on religion and think how our so called developing
countries can progress that our sons donot need to fight on the net like this.



Shambhu.



****************************************************************************

LOVE OF HUMANITY IS LOVE OF GOD.

***************************************************************************
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PakistaNews Text Files Until New Year - #1220
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:37:02 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks


PDA, ALLIES PUBLIC MEETING AT LIAQUAT BAGH TOMORROW

Secretary-General of the PeopleUs Democratic Alliance Mian Khurshid Mehmood 
Kasuri has said that a meeting of the heads of PDA and its allied parties would 
be held at the Islamabad residence of Air Marshal (Retd.) Asghar Khan on Monday 
(Dec 21) to finalise the programme of the Dec. 22 demonstration there. 

CANAL CLOSURE REGULAR ANNUAL FEATURE

A spokesman of the Punjab Government has stated that the districts declared 1st 
and 2nd in connection with the desilting campaign of canals last year will be 
awarded cheques during this week.

MORE INSTITUTIONS FOR REHABILITATION OF HANDICAPPED NEEDED

The Bishop of Raiwind Diocese, Church of Pakistan, Samual Azariah, has stressed 
the need for setting up more institutions for the rehabilitation of handicapped 
and the destitutes.

NEW ROAD SAFETY BILL FOR CONVENIENCE OF PEOPLE

The Sub-Committee of the National AssemblyUs Standing Committee on 
Communication, headed by Minister of State for Transport held a final meeting 
with the representatives of the private transporters and discussed with them 
matters relating to Road Safety Bill 1992.

9 M CHILDREN DIE OF PNEUMONIA DIARRHOEA, MEASLES

Almost two thirds of the 13 million child deaths in the developing countries 
are caused by just three diseases, namely Pneumonia, Diarrhoea and measles, 
says the 1993 UNICEF state of the WorldUs children Report.

STOCK EARLY RECOVERY FALTERS

After endeavouring recovery at the outset, equities on the Karachi Stock 
Exchange later saw this rally fizzling out tin fairly modest activity and the 
tone uncertain.  The market did not go through its week-end session when 
trading was stopped as a mark of respect to the demise of Abdul Sattar Adam, 
said to be one of the founder member.

NAWAZ URGES WOMEN TO FOLLOW FATIMAUS FOOTSTEPS

Prime Minister Mohammad Nawaz Sharif has called upon the women to follow the 
footprints of Hazrat Fatima Tuz Zahra (RA)  to achieve success in life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian