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From: todmh@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Darcie Hammer)
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Oct 1992 12:49 EDT  

In article <BvCwBK.n1t@cup.hp.com>, daryl@cup.hp.com (Daryl Odnert) writes...
>dan@Ingres.COM writes:
>: We're having a great time, but we need some ideas for how to practice.
>: Do any of you have some good ideas how to get started developing some form
>: of technique--any books, videos, etc.?

	[snip] 

>1) Focus on good ball control, especially service reception.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
>If everyone on your team can receive a serve and pass it to
>another player on the team, you're on your way.  Don't worry
>too much about running a powerful offense at first.  Just get
>the ball back over the net.  Let the other team to make mistakes.
> 
>2) Focus on getting your serves in.  If you don't get your serves
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
>in, you can't score any points.
> 
>Daryl Odnert
>Hewlett-Packard
>Cupertino, California

Good points, Daryl.  The only part I don't personally agree with is the
"just get the ball back over the net" part, but this depends alot on 
the goals of your team.  If you plan on playing for one season, winning
as much as you can, and then moving on to another sport, go for it.

I coach 7th grade girls, and we run a 4-2 and ALWAYSALWAYS try to pass-
set-hit. Their passing skills are far from Karch-like, and they've lost
to some teams that just keep passing the ball back over on 1, but when
these girls get to high school (or beyond) they're gonna be ready to kick
some serious butt.  

I don't think you can overemphasize the importance of serving and receiving
serve though.

Darcie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wung@ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Slides
Reply-To: wung@ee.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:05:02 GMT

I am asking for some kind of consensus here.  The Tech women's coach, Shelton Collier
recommended that our men's club team try hitting some slides, both tight and wide
slides when we are running a 5-1 and our setter is front row.  Most of the guys
are ambivolent, the middle hitters love the idea.  A few guys are vehemently 
opposed to it because they think that it is a wimpy play that only women run.
What are the disadvantages of the slide play?  Do you guys run it on your teams ?

The advantages, as I understand it is that this is a play that develops along the net, which should confuse the blocks sufficiently to isolate a blocker or even
to create a no block situation.  I have seen the women's team run this play 
successfully so I am pretty convinced of the merit of the play.  Any comments? 

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From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Spiking arm motion.
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:48:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: unixhub.BvGpwJ.8AF
Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Hi all,

I'm a rec player and I'm looking to improve my spike.  I've got a good two step
approach and decent vertical (10' 1" touch), but my problem stems from the arm
motion.  What is the "correct" arm motion for a powerful, effective spike?

On my back swing, my elbow is just behind my ear and my arm is bent.  On the
down swing, I lead with my eblow and snap my wrist hitting the ball at 10-20 
degrees past the vertical point.  I've had some good spikes this way, but more
often than not I hit the ball off my fingers or palm heel.

So my question are: what am I doing wrong?  What Am I doing right?  How can I
get a good follow through on tight set balls?  How do I get my spikes landing
closer to the net (most of my hard spikes are landing deep or out)?  Bonus
question:  Does the light in your refrigerator actually go off when you close
the door?

Thanks,
Greg
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: whitwam@bnr.ca (Mark Whitwam)
Subject: Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Volleyballs (In/Out-door)
Reply-To: whitwam@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 13:10:31 GMT

In article <Bvnq0G.no@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:
|> I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but while it is true
|> that the SV5W is the best ball around, it sure as heck doesn't
|> last very long.
|> -- 

Maybe this has already been discussed, but can anybody recommended a	
way to maintain volleyballs?  My SV5W is only a couple of months old, 
and it is already turning  "grey".  Am I suppose to clean it?  If so, how?

  - hodad
-- 

Mark Whitwam                   Internet: whitwam@bnr.ca 
Bell Northern Research         (613) 763-5799
Ottawa Ont. K1Y 4H7   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Subject: Re: Covering Tips
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:38:02 GMT

This thread has recently emerged.  After 15 years of playing and
coaching (at many levels), here's my $.02.

As for defenses, you basically have two styles to choose from.  Inside
those two styles, there are a number of variations.  Which one you choose
depends on the level of play, the strengths and weaknesses of your own
players, the particular team you have as an opponent, etc.  There is
no hard and fast rule as to what variation to play.

The two major styles are 
1)  "Red" defense;  a player is behind the blockers
2)  "White" defense;  no player behind the blockers

There is the "Blue" or "Rotational" defense, too, which is halfway inbetween these.

Now, which player should play behind the block?  Most teams choose to
have their RB play behind the blockers, given the block is in zone 2.
When the blockers are in zone 4 (blocking the opponent's weakside), the
LB is behind the blockers.  A variation on this is if the setter is
backrow, have the setter always play behind the block.  When the setter
is front, always have the RB play behind the block.

If you are playing an opponent that dinks a lot, this defense can be
successful.  If your block is full of holes, this defense can lead to major
6-packs to your behind-the-block player.  Each team must decide if it
can afford to play this defense.  There are many variations on this
defense.  I have seen it played where the (front-row) off-blocker is
the one behind the block.  This makes for difficult transition.

The White defense is used by many high-level teams, because a) the opponents
rarely tip, or b) there are too many 1-1 blocking scenarios, c) it is
easier transition in many cases.  It is the best defense to play if your
block is not effective (you have 4 diggers working, not 3 as in the Red
defense).  The White defense is also effective if your RB and LF players
are quick to get the tip when it happens.

So, there is no hard and fast answer.  Evaluate your own team, evaluate
your opponents, and go with the choice that makes sense.  Don't be afraid
to change defenses in the middle of a game, even in the middle of a rally.
Practice all the defenses.  Many women's college teams use the rotational;
try that one too.  There have been some good articles in VB Monthly about
defense;  look them up.

Rob


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From: kujanpa@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Kujanpaa)
Subject: Covering Tips
Originator: kujanpa@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:53:18 GMT

Hi all.  I'd like some input on who should cover tips on defense.

Our lineup has the back middle player covering deep
free balls, offspeed hits, and digging.  The setter comes
out of the number 1 (back right) position.  It's safe to assume
that the setter should handle as few tips as possible
since he has the best hands on the team and should be setting  
as much as possible.

When defending a power attack from the opposition, this
would leave the back left person to dig hits as well as tips.
Yes, no?  Should the deep middle player try to read the play and hustle
like crazy to cover tips as well.  I realize the the setter will have 
take some tips, and that everyone should be on the lookout for such shots.
I would really appreciate some input on this subject. 

My team is quite competitive and well rounded but seems to get burned by
teams that tip and offspeed well.  Teams that hit hard are more predictable.

I appreciate any and all responses.

Bob

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Gendis Inc. 			 
Winnipeg, MB
From: chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking arm motion.
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:06:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

... About your problem with hitting the ball deep and out:  If you're
hitting the ball deep and in then you're probably better off than 
trying to hit it straight down because it'll be harder to block.
As far as hitting it out, one of my coaches gave me a tip that I find
very useful.  Try to snap your arm to full extension just before you
hit the ball.  Your hand will have nothing else to do but snap
downward as you hit the ball.  If you hit the ball down like this
I find it doesn't matter if I hit the ball on my wrist or off the
tops of my fingers, the ball always goes down into the court.
t does so even if I'm hitting the ball too far over my head (as
opposed to in front of my body).  Contrary to this technique, if
you hit the ball and your arm is bent at all, the tendency is to
push the ball and have it fly out of bounds.  Arms bent also means
that you're trying to muscle the ball down into the court, instead
of having your arm and shoulder do the work.  If your arm's fully
extended just before you hit the ball then your arm will feel a
solid evenly distributed impact as you hit the ball.  Otherwise,
you'll be straining your arm somewhere, and eventually experiencing
pain somewhere.

Still learning to hit.
Chris
From: fukuhara@f81alpha.austin.ibm.com (Terri Fukuhara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking arm motion.
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:36:12 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <BvGpwJ.8AF@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>On my back swing, my elbow is just behind my ear and my arm is bent.  On the
>down swing, I lead with my eblow and snap my wrist hitting the ball at 10-20 
>degrees past the vertical point.  I've had some good spikes this way, but more
>often than not I hit the ball off my fingers or palm heel.
It sound good to me.  But how do you use your arms before this.  You should
be swinging them both together upward while you're jumping to help the
vertical.  If you're hitting the ball with your fingers or palm heel, it
sounds like your timing is just off (or maybe you're taking your eye off
the ball).  

>So my question are: what am I doing wrong?  What Am I doing right?  How can I
>get a good follow through on tight set balls?  How do I get my spikes landing
>closer to the net (most of my hard spikes are landing deep or out)?  Bonus
If all your balls are landing deep in the court, you're not getting on top 
of the ball.  This could be because the ball is too far over you.  It needs
to be in front of you if you want to be able to hit on top of it.  Try taking
your approach from a step back from where you normally hit.

Terri

_______________________________________________________________________________

Terri Fukuhara	

fukuhara@austin.ibm.com
IBM Austin - AWD (Advanced Workstation Division) 
My Opinion and Mine Alone
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_______________________________________________________________________________

Terri Fukuhara	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: dan@quebec (Dan Hanan)
Subject: Re: To Dan Hanan: jumping abilities
Organization: SAIC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:28:15 GMT

g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
: 	I think many people are curious about the physical abilities of
: international level volleyball players. I've seen you guys play on tours
: and I even got to go to the Olympics, and it's obvious that you guys are
: all physical monsters. Can you contribute some numbers to amaze
: everyone?
: 	For example, the numbers on me look like: height: 6'3", weight: 160
: (all muscle!), standing reach: 8', highest touch: 10'7", summary: loser.
: 	I also happen to know the numbers for Karch Kiraly: height: 6'2or3",
: weight: 195, standing reach: 8'1", highest touch: 11'6", summary: best
: volleyball player in the world (semi-retired).
: 	I'm especially interested in learning the highest reach for you,
: other current and former USA national players, and the famous international
: players like Marcelo Negrao, Giovane Gavio, Joel Despaigne, Rod Zwerver,
: Oleg Shatunov, Dmitry Fomin, Yuichi Nakagaichi, Andrea Gardini, Andrea
: Giani, and Andrea Zorzi.

Well, for me: height: 6'5" weight: 195 standing reach: 8'5"             
highest touch: 11'3"  I am one of the "lower" jumpers on the team. 
Some of our biggest jumpers: Bob Samuelson: 11'6", Bryan Ivie: 11'6" 
Uvaldo Acosta touches 11' which is pretty good considering his reach is 
probably about 8'.  We don't measure very often, so these numbers are my
best recollections.

I couldn't really tell you any numbers on the other players throughout the
world.  One thing to keep in mind though (as I've seen discussed here before)
is that the "body parts over the net" measurement is not really accurate.
Also, a big jumper is not an effective hitter unless he can see the block, 
and move the ball around according to what the block/defense is doing.

-------------------
Dan Hanan    USA#12
dan@quebec.saic.com
------------------- 
D
D
best recolection.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: daryl@cup.hp.com (Daryl Odnert)
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:16:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

dan@Ingres.COM writes:
: We're having a great time, but we need some ideas for how to practice.
: Do any of you have some good ideas how to get started developing some form
: of technique--any books, videos, etc.?

I would recommend the book "Volleyball: Steps to Success".  (I don't
remember the author's names at the moment.)  The book covers mostly
individual skills, but does also cover the basic team strategies for
offense and defense.  The book has descriptions of many different
drills your team can use to help develop your basic skills.

Having been in a situation very similar to yours in the past, I would
suggest that the two most important things your team work on first are

1) Focus on good ball control, especially service reception.
If everyone on your team can receive a serve and pass it to
another player on the team, you're on your way.  Don't worry
too much about running a powerful offense at first.  Just get
the ball back over the net.  Let the other team to make mistakes.

2) Focus on getting your serves in.  If you don't get your serves
in, you can't score any points.

Daryl Odnert
Hewlett-Packard
Cupertino, California
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Subject: Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Volleyballs (In/Out-door)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:33:48 GMT

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but while it is true
that the SV5W is the best ball around, it sure as heck doesn't
last very long.
-- 
!!! Mike Schneider *** schneid@jerry.stat.uiuc.edu !!!
!!!     Assistant Manager of Systems Services      !!!
!!!            Department of Statistics            !!!
!!!   University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   !!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: dan@quebec (Dan Hanan)
Subject: Re: 17 point cap?
Organization: SAIC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:32:23 GMT

umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
:    Yep... I just took my NAGWS exam (Women's NCAA officials) and there
: is not a cap on any of the games. There are some other new rules that
: have to do with advertising. Anazing... 
: 
Just thought I'd add that international rule changes say that there is no
17 point cap in the 5th game ONLY!!  All other games are same as before.

Only other significant rule change is digs from the knees up are legal. 
Used to be only the waist up - they're looking for longer rallies.

-------------------
Dan Hanan    USA#12
dan@quebec.saic.com
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:05:59 GMT

In article 718047893@mik.uky.edu, wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
>|I think you should teach your girls the 5-1, though.  From the beginning,
>|it's just as easy to learn as a 4-2, and a much more effective offense.  It
>|will also give your players more of an idea of who really has the footspeed
>|and coodination to be a setter.
>|
>|(Yeah, yeah, I know, they're only in 7th grade. :-)  The 11 year olds I
>|sometimes teach, though, are finding the 5-1 *much* easier to learn than
>|my college age friends, also relative beginners.  My college age friends
>|(and me, to be honest) learned the 4-2 first, and are finding the trans-
>|ition extremely difficult. 
>|
>|--
>|==============================================================================
>|| Jeff W  uk06666@ukpr.uky.edu | Meddle not in the affairs of cats, for they |
>|| Wilder  & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck.|
>|==============================================================================

I disagree.  It is really hard to transition from front row setter to backrow
setter to start out with.  It is really confusing and the defensive positioning
is pretty hard to grasp, but to put the kid playing setter into a situation where 
they not only have to be the center of the activity AND remember two different
ways of playing defense is a bit much.  I would say go to a 6-2 and then
transition to a 5-1 if your team and setter improves.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: rkj@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (richard.janka)
Subject: Live from Daytona Beach
Keywords: King of the Beach
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:10:13 GMT

For those of you following the last AVP event of the year, the
second day of play has finished at Daytona Beach, Florida.

Day One consisted of qualifying play, with Pat Powers and Mike Dodd
finishing at the top of their respective pools and advancing to
today's main draw.  (Brian Lewis, Brent Frohoff, Mike Whitmarsh, 
Bruk Vanderweghe, Eric Wurts, and John Hanley did not advance).

Today Pool One consisted of Karch Kiraly, Adam Johnson, Sinjin Smith,
and Mike Dodd.  I don't have my program handy with the scores, but
the three matches were all pretty tight, with two of three being halted
by the rally clock.  Karch won all three of his matches, advancing
along with Mike Dodd to Sunday's finals.

Pool Two consisted of Randy Stoklos, Mike Hovland, Kent Steffes, and
Pat Powers.  Stoklos, Hov, and Powers each won two matches, but based
on point differentials, Hov and Powers advanced to Sunday's finals.

The weather has been great.  Friday was overcast and not too hot, with
a brief shower between the first two matches.  Today there was about a
15 minute downpour after the first play, which then gave way to a typical
hot and sunny Florida summer day.  

See ya'll there tomorrow.

Rick Janka
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS)
Subject: Re: Covering Tips
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:08:37 GMT

Bob Kujanpaa (kujanpa@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: Our lineup has the back middle player covering deep
: free balls, offspeed hits, and digging.  The setter comes
: out of the number 1 (back right) position.  It's safe to assume
: that the setter should handle as few tips as possible
: since he has the best hands on the team and should be setting  
: as much as possible.

If the ball hits the floor, what will the setter set?
I think that setter should have the same responsibility
for his side of the court as the left back does.  Now
if someone else on the team can get the ball, he should
call the setter off.  The first thing your team has to do
is get the ball up; then it can worry about setting it.

The problem your team is having is often due to bad balance.
The non-blockers have to have their knees bent ready to move
their feet.  Their weight should be on the balls of their
feet, not on the heels or toes.  They must be prepared to dive.
Not being "into the game" often leads to bad balance.
Your players need to alert and prepared to go after any ball
that comes over the net.

I noticed while watching the Olympics that sometimes blockers
could pop up short dinks.  People I have played with have
generally discouraged this.  Usually(?) there is someone coming
up behind you to play the ball.  How do people out there
feel this?  On the right side, if a blocker gets to the
dink, the setter can set the ball.

: When defending a power attack from the opposition, this
: would leave the back left person to dig hits as well as tips.
: Yes, no?  Should the deep middle player try to read the play and hustle
: like crazy to cover tips as well.

Yes, the left and right backs as well as the off-side blocker
have responsibility for the shallow tips and the hits.  They
should be able to read the play.  I wouldn't recommend that the
middle back come in.

	-mike
From: daryl@cup.hp.com (Daryl Odnert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:27:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.BvIB9y.9KD
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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todmh@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Darcie Hammer) writes:
: Good points, Daryl.  The only part I don't personally agree with is the
: "just get the ball back over the net" part, but this depends alot on 
: the goals of your team.  If you plan on playing for one season, winning
: as much as you can, and then moving on to another sport, go for it.

Let me clarify.  When I said "just get the ball back over the net", what
I meant was don't worry about running a complicated offense and/or
trying to hit a high velocity spike on every volley.  I took it for
granted that every organized volleyball team tries to run a bump-set-hit
offense, but I guess I was wrong about that.

I'm primarily suggesting that the "set" and "hit" portions of the offense
should not be anything too fancy to begin with.  The "bump" part is the
one to focus on first.

Daryl
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