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In rec.music.classical, dstrache@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Delano Strachen) writes:

>Question can you recommend other classical pieces that have the same
>feel as Carmina Burana.
>Or something like Berlioz Sympnonie Fantastique.

>thanx 

>del

A few months ago, I heard an excerpt of "Exodus" by Kilar, a Polish composer.
It was played on a radio program called Audio Auditions.  The announcer said
that if you like Carmina Burana, you may also like Exodus.  The little bit
I heard does have some of the same flavor as Carmina, but I did not hear
enough of it to be sure.  The only recording I know of is conducted by
Rowicki on the Olympia label, CD #308.  Happy hunting.

Rick Scherer

P.S.  The best way to get something like Symphonie fantastique is to listen
to other music by Berlioz.  I suggest Harold in Italy, Roman Carnival 
Overture and Romeo & Juliet.


Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Subject: Re: government and the arts
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:33:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.134224.4661@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>I have been holding this against the Republican/Conservative propaganda
>machine, but perhaps with a new approach there really is hope.
>-- 
>Gary H. Merrill  [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]

Another new idea...When one wants to start a new business, one can often get
a Small Business Loan. (I admit I have no idea how difficult obtaining such
a loan may be.) This loan is provided and guaranteed by the Small Business
Administration, a bone fide governmnet office. If, and when the new business
fails, it is protected by filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. How about applying
the same reasoning and criteria to ART? Just imagine: George Babbitt and his
local neighborhood artist would then be soul mates, sucking at the same teat.
The mind boggles....

Hap

PS

Should I have included :-) ? Dare I eat a peach?
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: tomokom@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tomoko Matsumoto)
Subject: Definition of Music 
Originator: tomokom@harriett.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:12:05 GMT

     Hi.  I am writing a paper on the definition of music for my
music class and I need some help.

1.  What is the difinition of music to YOU?
2.  Any books which have the definition of music?
3.  What do you think about "4' 33"" by John Cage?

Any kind of information or opinion will be appreciated.
     e-mail to tomokom@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Thank you

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu (SUBU Ramasubramanian)
Subject: Indian classical music concert at Purdue
Reply-To: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:20:45 GMT

========================================================================
<         INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC ASSOCIATION OF PURDUE
<         --------------------------------------------
<                    PRESENTS A FLUTE RECITAL
<                            BY
<                      DR. N. RAMANI
<
<A.KANYAKUMARI (VIOLIN)              GURUVAYUR DORAI (MRIDANGAM)
<-----------------------------------------------------------------

			FLUTE: An indian wind instrument
			MRIDANGAM: An indian percussion instrument
==================================================================

<DATE: TUESDAY, APRIL 14, 1992         TIME: 7.30 PM
<VENUE: NORTH BALLROOM, PURDUE MEMORIAL UNION
<       WEST LAFAYETTE, IN 47907
<
<TICKETS: $7 (STUDENTS), $10 (OTHERS)
<         AVAILABLE AT
<         LOEB AND HALL OF MUSIC OFFICES
<FOR TICKET INFO CALL (317) 494 3933

 NOTE FOR FOLKS COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF LAFAYETTE:
 1.Overnight accomodation can be arranged for a max. of 10 persons; let
 us know in advance (email to ramakril@vm.cc.purdue.edu)
 2. Preferably reserve your tickets in advance
 3. Children below 10 will not be permitted
 4. Directions -

Take I65 (South /North) and exit at State Road 25
After the ramp take a left onto 25 South towards
Lafayette.
At the first Trafic Lights (TL) take a right onto
US 52 West
Keep going on US 52 W, pass two TL
On the third TL take a left onto Yeager Rd.
(At this light you should see a Amoco gas station
just ahead of you and ACE Hard Ware Store on your right)
Take a left onto North Western on the next TL
Keep going on North Western. You should see Smittys on
your left after passing the first TL. After this TL
pass one more TL. On the third TL, you should see a McD
on your left and University Buildings on your right.
You are now on the intersection of North Western and
Stadium.

Pass the next TL and take a right onto State St on the
second TL.
Take a right onto Grant St. on the next TL and park in the
garage on your right, which is right after you make the
turn.
North Ball room is in the Purdue Memorial Union
which is opposite to the garage.

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: government and the arts
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:57:34 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <==vj8y=.vlad@netcom.com>, vlad@netcom.com (Vladimir Kuznetsov) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.173358.29008@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.221929.21158@scubed.com>, hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Apr7.113956.5324@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>|> >Let government do its duty and support the nation's culture! Without it,
>>|> >the arts will remain the preserve of the middle classes and the well-off.
> 
> Just look what governament support did to the art in Nazy Germany and
> in ex-USSR. In both cases it was a complete devastation and riuning
> of he culture and cultivating if pseudo-art.

NO NO NO NO NO. This is not the point at all. I am NOT, repeat NOT advocating
government control over what artists produce. I am advocating government
support so that artists, composers, singers, dancers, playwrights,
instrumentalists can continue the very important work they do in preserving the
cultural health of the nation. Let's face it, with the philistine governments
and short-sighted education policies in place in the US and the UK alike at the
moment, they need all the financial support they can get. GOVERNMENT SUPPORT IS
NOT THE SAME AS GOVERNMENT CONTROL, despite what the Republican/Conservative
propaganda machine churns out at the moment. 
 
> After all what is wrong with "preserve of the middle classes and the
> well-off"? The real art cannot be really mass and/or/ popular.
>
Please tell me that you didn't really write that. 
1. It's not true. Mozart in his day was popular, and mass entertainment. The
Beatles produced real art (I imagine very few readers of this newsgroup would
disagree). They weren't exactly unpopular.
2. Even if it were true, it would be an appallingly elitist and self-satisfied
assertion to make. Do you consider yourself superior because you appreciate
classical music? Why should people from poorer backgrounds not have the same
access as you to classical music and so-called /real/ art? 
 
> vlad
> 
> 
> -- 
> Vladimir Kuznetsov                         (408)252-5455
> Natural Intelligence Consulting            vlad@netcom.COM
>                                            73437,3344@compuserve.com
Xref: sparky rec.music.classical:5966 comp.music:2471
From: andrews@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,comp.music
Subject: Re: Help, which instrument?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:02:04 GMT
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:

>I would say guitar.  If you learn 5 or so basic chords (E, A, D, G, C) and
>some barre chords, you can play many tunes, and impress your friends as
>well... Hotel California is a tune that I picked up after playing guitar
>for less than a day...just buy a beginners guitar book and study the
>chord fingerings.

I don't want to get into a long argument about this, but I think guitar
is very difficult to learn.  Keep away from it unless you have a strong
desire and infinite patience.  If you could play Hotel California after one
day, you are exceptionally gifted with coordination; I've never seen anybody 
come close to that.
--
John Andrews (andrews@csrd.uiuc.edu) "He who dies with the shortest .sig, wins"
Graduate Research Assistant, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Memorable (?) cover art.
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:23:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.33022
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


Then there were the cartoon "Jackets by Rodriguez" in High Fidelity
magazine of the 50s or so.  I still remember a few of them

    A bus, with a banner carrying the name of some symphony orchestra,
    and flat tires, for Konzertstuck

    An old lady sitting in a rocking chair knitting, and behind her
    an enormous cat, for Magnificat

    Sailors approaching the door of a house of ill repute, for Escales


-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: government and the arts
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.183219.9213@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>*Most* people don't give a crap about the Chicago Symphony -- if they
>even realize it exists.  If *most* people thought it was such a good thing,
>the issue of subsidy would hardly arise.  *Most* people think Nintendo is a

not true...  CSO sells out just about every performance they make, and
the cheap tickets cost close to $20, the expensive ones more like $50.
Even tickets for  those mega-rock bands are cheaper.
So unless you think they could play concerts in Soldier Field, like da
Bears, they aren't going to make it on ticket prices.  If you make the CSO 
perform in venues like the mega rock bands, you will destroy the music. 

most people?  Solti holds the record for most Grammy's, and the Grammy's
aren't know for being elitist.

jeff

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: relliott@b11.ingr.com (Rob Elliott)
Subject: High Tech Trumpet CD
Reply-To: relliott@b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:15:45 GMT

Does anyone have the CD entitled "High Tech Trumpet" with Hakan Hardenberger?
It is difficult to discern the programming from the cover.  Are all
the listed songs trumpet solos?  What is the nature of the "test tones"
included on the disc?

-- 
Standard Disclaimer, i.e. not speaking for my employer

Rob Elliott             relliott@relliott.b11.ingr.com
From: syliao@athena.mit.edu (S Yi-Huang Liao)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Tunes from childhood
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:33:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.153322.172
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I have noticed two tunes from childhood that resembled motifs of two
pieces from the "classical repertoire":

"Are you sleeping, brother John" sounds like the third movement from Mahler's
first symphony, except that the former is in a major key.

"London Bridge is falling down" sounds like the beginning of the fuga from
Bach's Unaccompanied Violin Sonata (BWV 1005).

Are these pure coincidences??  Are there any other instances like the above?

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stan Yi-Huang Liao                                  syliao@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
But I would willingly see all the arts, especially music, in the service of
Him who has given and created them.                         - Martin Luther
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From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: _The Love for Three Oranges_
Summary: Dum-da dum dum.
Keywords: Dum-da dum dum DAAAAH!
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:57:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr14.162253.14096@sequent.com>
 danielh@sequent.com (Daniel Hobbs) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.151242.6003@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
>dkmenser@athena.cas
>.vanderbilt.edu (Kirk Menser) writes:
>

>>>I have read that the march from Prokofiev's TLFTO was used as the
>theme for a popular television series.  Does anyone know which
>>series?

>"Dragnet", starring Jack Webb and Harry Morgan, back in the 50's
>and later re-incarnated as "Badge 714" (in the 60s or 70s...?).

No.  

For one thing, "Dragnet" started out as a radio show in the 40's, and
for another, the theme was called the "Dragnet Theme," and was original.

"The FBI" was the show that used the Prokof'ev tune (also on radio,
first, I believe).  Of course, "The FBI" was a blatant ripoff of
"Dragnet," so that may be the source of the confusion.  

Funny, isn't it, having a Soviet composer supply the tune ad majoram
gloriam J. Edgarem Hooverem...

Roger
Xref: sparky rec.music.classical:5715 alt.guitar:2161
From: corvett@csa.bu.edu (Sungyeup Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,alt.guitar
Subject: Action
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:46:18 GMT
Reply-To: corvett@csa.UUCP (Sungyeup Kim)
Followup-To: rec.music.classical
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Hi all guitarlist,

I got a les paul custom and seems like have problem.
The problem is the 6-th string action is a little higher that the others.
Is it common or do I have to lower the action?

Any suggestion?

Thanks in advance.....
Organization: Junior, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 02:14:17 -0400 
From: "Walter Allen Young, III" <wy09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Oboe tracks...?
	<1992Apr06.145148.222261@cs.cmu.edu>

In article <ktnarpINN618@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) 
writes:
>wy09+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Walter Allen Young, III") writes:
>: aaaaaaaaaaagh.  it pains me to see the iron grip that all those european
>: oboists have on the recording industry.  the
>: glaetzner/goritzki/pierlot/holliger junta have been in heavy recording
>: rotation for the longest time, and people can't help but identify "oboe"
>: with their tone.
>
>Personally, I've never heard an oboist whose tone is anywhere as nice
>as Lothar Koch's.  

mr. kennel unfortunately proves my above point.  if american listeners
identify koch's sound with "nice oboe tone", then they'll be sorely
disappointed whenever they go to hear an american symphony.  we just
don't sound that way.  for all their ability and experience, _none_ of
the above european oboists would ever be able to get a job in an
american symphony (as if they wanted to-- for that matter, as if _i_
could right now).  and actually, american oboe soloists like humbert
lucarelli and alex klein probably couldn't either.  but they do their
own thing, and its not like they need an orchstral career to further
their reputations.  so the bottom line is...if you love america (insert
red-blooded sarcasm here), listen to american oboists.  
-lenny
Xref: sparky rec.music.classical:5937 comp.music:2448
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,comp.music
Subject: Re: Help, which instrument?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:06:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

>>>>	I plan to put up an effort to learn an instrument over the Summer.
>>>>I just want to entain my ear (amongst other body parts); just want to learn
>>>>an easy-to-pick-up instrument.

I would say guitar.  If you learn 5 or so basic chords (E, A, D, G, C) and
some barre chords, you can play many tunes, and impress your friends as
well... Hotel California is a tune that I picked up after playing guitar
for less than a day...just buy a beginners guitar book and study the
chord fingerings.

-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________________
|                                                                             |
| "Nuke the unborn gay whales!" |  millerje@cs.colostate.edu  |  Jeff Miller  |
|_____________________________________________________________________________|
From: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Sibelius Violin Concerto
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:04:42 GMT
Reply-To: lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


For the top four, how about:
1) Saint-Saens #1
2) Saint-Saens #2
3) Dvorak
4) Mozart #7 K271a
...of course, not necessarily in this order.
Actually, a search for recordings of #1, 2 and 4 is dismal!
But why do the popular ones have to be the best?

Terence
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT PDQ BACH!
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:54:21 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group
Originator: rvloon@wodan.cv.ruu.nl

In <1925@transfer.stratus.com> boylan@sw.stratus.com (Richard Boylan) writes:

| "I do.  His first four albums for Vanguard were:
| "
| "The original album: Contains "Concerto for Horn & Hardart", the cantata
| ""Iphegenia in Brooklyn"
| "and the "Sinfonia Concertante" for six solo instruments (ocarina, lute,
| "bagpipe, left-handed sewer flute, double-reed slide music stand and one
| "other I can't remember).
| "> 	1.  An Hysteric Return--P.D.Q. Bach at Carnegie Hall.  contains
| "> his grand oratorio "The Seasonings", "Unbegun Symphony" (which is a bunch of

3. on the air...
| "
| "The fourth album was the half-act opera, "The Stoned Guest", along with
| "two madgridals from the "Triumphs of Thusnelda".
| "
| "	At this point, Schickle was going for straight laughs, something
| "	that a general audience could appreciate.  But he lost something
| "	by aiming lower, and I bought few of the records after this.

All these are still available; even on CD - I now have 9 CDs of PDQ Bach; the
others I have on tape.

Recently a new PDQ BAch has been released - should be something in the same
vein as number 3, on the air.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

Insanity is not bad in itself as long as there is a system to it. (H.Liberg)
Healthy absurdism once in a while has never hurt anybody (me)
From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Oboe family (was Re: Cor Angl*)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:10:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr8.171033.1161
    <CB.92Apr7110212@tamarack12.timbuk> <1992Apr07.185025.204871@cs.cmu.edu> 
    <1992Apr7.200235.10815@husc3.harvard.edu> 
    <ku4miqINN66i@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> <1992Apr8.132018.7306@osf.org>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1619

In article <1992Apr8.132018.7306@osf.org>, coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

|> of the older tenor and bass trombones. The "contrabass trombone"
|> (which he uses sparingly) has a lower range (lower than any
|> non-Russian bass voice :-)), although not as low as the "contrabass
|> tuba" (Wagner's name for the modern "tuba", as distinguished from his
|> specially-invented "tenor" and "bass" tubas).

Getting pretty far off the original subject, ...

I'll let a trombonist (perhaps the one two doors down from me here)
reply about the bass/contrabass trombone distinction, though I
believe that a true contrabass trombone plays in the same range as
a contrabass tuba.

As the (very amateur) player of a "modern tuba" I object to the
conflation of "contrabass tuba" and "modern tuba".  The "bass tuba"
is the horn either in F (typically with from 5 to 6 valves, some with
only 4) or E-flat (with 3 or 4 valves).  The "contrabass tuba" is
the horn in BB-flat (with 3 or 4 valves) or CC (with 4 or 5 valves).
All are "modern tubas" and players of different nations seem to have
their preferences (the F is still much used in Europe, the E-flat is
still a major orchestral instrument in England).

The Vaughn Willams "Concerto for Bass Tuba" (to intrude on another
thread) was indeed written for *bass* tuba and frequently is performed
on an E-flat horn since its range is a bit high to handle with
comfort on the contrabass horns.
-- 
Gary H. Merrill  [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC  27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
From: jdhill@star-trek.bbn.com (Jack D. Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Stravinsky and Prokofiev
Date: 9 Apr 1992 13:49:58 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: jdhill@BBN.COM (Jack D. Hill)
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com

In article <s0ccdINNptv@agate.berkeley.edu> c60c-4bl@web-4b.berkeley.edu (Demian) writes:
>
>Hi, I'd like some recommendations and comments about recordings of Stravinsky's
>Rite of Spring...

I'd like to put in a pitch for the version put out by the orchestra that I play
in - the Boston Philharmonic conducted by Ben Zander. This is a very different
Rite than you've probably heard before. Ben Zander is big on original tempo
markings (he was using Beethoven's metronome markings for the symphonies before
it was fashionable) and he found out about a piano roll of the Rite that was
supervised by Stravinsky. In it, the final section where the virgin dances
herself to death, is almost twice as fast as the average performance. At the
end of an average performance you feel the girl may survive but in the faster
performance there is no doubt of her demise. Our CD pairs our performance with
a recording of the piano roll. I believe the label is Music Masters.

Jack
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Memorable (?) cover art.
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:23:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

How about the Swingle Singers' "Going Baroque" album, whose jacket (red)
showed singers from some 18th Century etching, with faces in garish false
colors (green, blue, etc.)?

-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical