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From: stege@slac.stanford.edu (Stege)
Subject: Re: Nudity and nakedness (was Re: nudity & sex)
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.175109.29473@infodev.cam.ac.uk>,
gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) wrote:
> 
> This is a good excuse to raise one of my favourite questions.  Do
> people here draw a distinction between nudity and nakedness?  It seems
> to me that nakedness is the simple state of not wearing clothes, which
> all people find themselves in from time to time, whereas nudity is
> actually a positive choice about how to dress.  So you're naked in the
> shower, but nude on the beach.  Comments anyone?
> 

To quote Webster:

"syn BARE, NAKED, NUDE, BALD, BARREN mean deprived of naturally or
     conventionally appropriate covering. BARE implies the removal of
     what is additional, superfluous, ornamental, or dispensable; NAKED
     suggests absence of protective or ornamental covering but may
     imply a state of nature, of destitution, of defenselessness, of simple
     beauty; NUDE applies esp. to the unclothed human figure; BALD
     implies actual or seeming absence of natural covering and may
     suggest a conspicuous bareness; BARREN often suggests aridity
     or impoverishment or sterility". 

Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, published by Merriam-Webster,
Inc.

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Robert Stege

stege@.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE)
Subject: Visiting UK ( Repost 1: 1993 )
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:03:40 GMT

Hi

A group of my friends are visiting UK this May ...
They are looking for good beaches ...
Any good recommendations out there ?

Thanks!

George

internet:   isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg
            lookokho@iscs.nus.sg

bitnet:     lookokho@nusdiscs

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: Nudity and nakedness (was Re: nudity & sex)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:28:09 GMT

From article <1992Dec20.175109.29473@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, by gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry):
> ....   Do
> people here draw a distinction between nudity and nakedness?  It seems
> to me that nakedness is the simple state of not wearing clothes, which
> all people find themselves in from time to time, whereas nudity is
> actually a positive choice about how to dress.  So you're naked in the
> shower, but nude on the beach.  Comments anyone?

Naked means unprotected.

You can write "naked call" options on a stock, which means that you're
selling someone the right to buy a stock from you, at a certain price,
when in fact you don't own the stock, so you are unprotected.  If you
own the stock you are writing "covered calls."  The term is "naked
options," not "nude options."

A model is "nude," and you are "nude" on a beach, because protection is
not an issue.  You are certainly "naked" if you're not wearing clothes
outdoors in freezing weather.  And in other situations, I guess the
five-letter word is more common than the more polite four-letter word.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: Craig.Miller@f133.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Craig Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: River Dippers, Sacramento's Free Beach Organization (PT 1)
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:55:22 GMT


 

                         ABOUT RIVER DIPPERS

                  SACRAMENTO FREE BEACH ORGANIZATION

                 Affiliated with The Naturist Society

 

    River Dippers, started in 1979, is a non-profit organization

dedicated to sharing information about 'free beaches' (those places

where people are free to wear as much or as little as they please)

located in central and northern California.  River Dippers also host a

variety of social events for our members.

 

    River Dippers welcome all who share our open enjoyment of sun,

breeze, water, and good people in natural, outdoor settings,

unbothered by clothing.  We are affiliated with the national free

beach organization, The Naturist Society.

 

 

                            OUR ACTIVITIES

 

    We participate in a wide variety of activities throughout the

year; Seasonal Parties and Potlucks, Monthly Meetings, Skinny-Skiing,

National Nude Weekend, National Naturist Association Gatherings, Nude

Hiking and Backpacking, Canuding, Nude Cruises (through River Dippers

Cruises), Nude Christmas Caroling, Visits to Naturist Clubs and

Resorts, Body Painting, and more.  We also hold informal monthly

meetings to discuss and plan upcoming events

 

 

                      SKINNY-DIPPING GUIDESHEETS

 

    We have a five-page set of guidesheets available.  Some of the

best skinny-dipping streams, rivers, and lakes in central and northern

California are shown.  Places where skinny-dipping and nude sunbathing

are locally accepted and, indeed, the preferred way to visit nature

(in the outfit she issued you).  Just send $2 in a self-addressed

stamped envelope (SASE) to us, regardless of whether you order our

newsletter or not.

 

 

                            OUR NEWSLETTER

 

    Our quarterly newsletter keeps free beachers informed on

skinny-dipping locations and changes, on current activities in the

nude recreation movement (national, state, and local), and on

occasions when fellow River Dippers may wish to share a beach or other

activities together. Our intent is to keep organization and formality

a minimum and fun in the sun a maximum.

 

    Our newsletter is published four times per year; February, May,

August, and November.

 

    Our quarterly newsletter is our connecting link.  All

subscriptions to our River Dippers newsletter are on the same

calendar-year time period; we haven't the time to keep track of it in

any other way. Use the order form below if you would like to join us.

(Check the box if you also want last year's).


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From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: 21 Dec 1992 11:44:47 -0800
Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:

>Is this a requirment of US television?  Do they do this for National
>Geographix stuff too?  Is the state really that repressive or is
>this self-censorship on part of the station/network/studio to avoid
>litigation?

It is self-censorship and censorship imposed by commercial sponsors.  I
have seen bare female breasts on commercial TV (e.g., a local station once
showed "All that Jazz" uncut).  PBS, not suffering from the sponsorship
problem (as much), regularly shows full or partial nudity.

    Richard M. Mathews			 Freedom for Lithuania
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		        Laisve!
From: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity & sex, young and old
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:50:27 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Dec15.231457.799@isag1.twuug.com> gc@isag1.twuug.com (George Colt) writes:
>abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>: Spoken like a true 17 year old!  :-)   That's not an insult, I 
>: sometimes wonder what it would be like to be 17 again.  However, when 
>: you get to my advanced age (I turned 43 this week), you can go for 
>: minutes 
>: at 
>: a 
>: time without thinking about sex!
>
>Geee! I'm looking forward to that. I'm 41 and I still can't manage
>more than a few SECONDS!

I'm 65 and I can't go more than a few seconds without thinking
about sex.

Regards

Alan Holmes
From: Cread@Fwva.Saic.Com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:42:08 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

The Doors did have penises showing: the cold-night outdoor concert scene
had several, including the naked man jumping into the crowd.
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Naked men in movies (re: Network Nudes)
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:21:25 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

Lets not forget Ghost Story.
From: anon.admin@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: FAQ: PAX Anonymous & Encrypted Mail Service
Followup-To: poster
Date: 3 Jan 1993 12:42:27 GMT
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
Distribution: world
Reply-To: anon.admin@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au

Aaaargh ... !

It has just been pointed out to me that there has been much discussion about
anonymous posting to this group, and the concensus apparently was that it is
undesirable, except in a limited fashion, via several regulars on this group.

I was not aware of this when I put this group on the list of destinations for
the FAQ for the PAX anonymous service, and I apologize if this has upset anyone !

Rec.nude was added to the list after I read the rec.nude FAQ and reference was
made to anonymous posting. I will have to investigate further next time before
trying to help out !@#$

Needless to say I have removed rec.nude from the list of destinations for the
PAX FAQ. Hopefully no-one will be inspired to use the service after the first
posting.

david
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:29:36 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>From what I gather women seem to like seeing men's butts more than penises.
This is just an informal observation, nothing scientific. If this is the
case, the enterainment industry will cater to the women this way. Consider
the response to Kevin Costner's butt scene in Danceing With Wolves, tis
prompted a lot of conversation among my female friends and the anticipation
of another scene in Robin Hood. However, I understand that they used a
stunt butt in Robin Hood.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!leed
From: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity & sex
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:46:47 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Dec15.030751.22676@athena.cs.uga.edu> pbrunk@aisun1.ai.uga.edu (Paul Brunk [MSAI]) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.223803.26257@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
>>From article <Bz7xz6.5B6@xrtll.uucp>, by stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes):
>>> In article <Bz25xH.F0E@acsu.buffalo.edu> v076rtlz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard M. Green) writes:
>>>>Bullshit.  Everything equals sex.  It's time you old farts admitted it.
>>>>
>>> I'm shure I won't be the only one to respond to this but I will anyways.
>>> 

Lots of stuff deleted

>>
>>So what does this have to do with nude recreation?  Nothing.  The
>>reason we're talking about it is that so many people have this crazy
>>notion that there is something special about the equation nudity=sex.
>>Baloney.  The equation is everything=sex, and there's nothing special
>>about nudity.
>>
>>							Marty
>>marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
>>Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	

What was the point of this posting when nothing was added?

Regards

Alan Holmes
From: bobert@informix.com (Robert Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:05:17 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>Wow....now I am curious...what movie did they show that has frontal male
>nudity? Personally I have never seen this on HBO or in the movies that I can
>remember. I think I would remember if I can see it because I am always the one
>after a movie who complains that the woman was in umpteen trillon full frontal
>nude shots but that the men NEVER are...which seems to me to be very sexist,
>not to mention what it says about the acceptability of the male body. I
>personally don't understand the prohibition against male nudity....it seems to
>me that either you're against nudity all together or that you are for it all
>together...what's with the double standard? *perhaps I am naive :-)*

>Jen

There was a very interesting discussion about this in a local San Francisco
area magazine recently - I can't remember if it was the Bay Guardian or the
SF Chronicle's "Pink Pages" in the Sunday paper.  The conclusions were,
as I recall:
1. Hollywood is still strongly sexist and the positions of power are male-
   dominated.  Given that nakedness is treated as a metaphor for vulnerabil-
   ity and subservience, it's understandable that women would be naked and
   men would be clothed.
2. There is a sense in Hollywood that showing naked women excites the
   audience and therefore sells tickets or gets people to watch programs,
   while showing naked men either bores or offends the audience.

Now that we're off recreational nudity, I'll get back on topic...  I've
been pleased to see a few movies in the last couple of years which have
managed to convey a high degree of eroticism without using much or any
nudity; I'm thinking particularly of "Dead Again" and "Ghost".  Which
goes to show that not only does nudity not automatically result in sex,
but sex (as in eroticism) doesn't even require nudity!

Bob Murphy
bobert@informix.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
(Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0n65iw-0000siC; Sun, 27 Dec 92 13: 40 PST
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Oh My God Visit
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 13:29:51 PST

Oh My God hot spring??
 Where is this at?
Newsgroups: rec.nude
(Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0n62y9-0000pZC; Sun, 27 Dec 92 10: 44 PST
From: rford@pro-harold.cts.com (Richard Ford)
Subject: Oh My God Visit
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 09:35:09 PST

Went out to Oh My God hot well yesterdayand soaked from about 2:00 till
past sunset.  There were alot of people from the Rainbow Tribe out there
for a winter solstace gathering and they were really nice people.  When I
mentioned that I was a member of the Camping Bares everybody got real
excited, apparently they have had alot of exposure (pardon the pun) to the
"Bares" and they really like us.  I tried to get some information on their
group, but never located the people who were supposed to have all the
literature.  If anybody knows anything about them and can get me in contact
I'd appreciate it.  The weather was perfect and it looks like we'll have a
full moon for the New Year's weekend get together (provided it dosen't
rain).  To sum it all up, it was a great day spent with a great bunch of
folks, the male/female ratio wasn't bad and there were very few gawkers. 
Can't wait for next weekend.

Richard

-----
Richard Ford
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Internet: rford@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!rford
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:01:32 GMT


In article <ARCHER.555.0@utkvm1.utk.edu>, ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
  [body double in _Robin Hood_  ?]
>
>This is correct.  Costner, after falling into the stream for an entire day 
>during the filming of the fight with Little John, flatly refused to enter 
>the (EXTREMELY) cold scottish waterfall.  The water is COLD up there.

I know a lot of men who steer clear of very cold water when nude.  Seems they
are afraid of looking so (use high pitched voice) teeensy tiny.  :-)
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |"Pacts with the devil are not legally
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |binding!"
PADI DM-54909                     |-Friar Tuck   _Robin Hood:The Hooded Man_
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudity and nakedness (was Re: nudity & sex)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:55:32 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <stege-211292084402@kfp-pub4-mac.slac.stanford.edu> stege@slac.stanford.edu (Stege) writes:
>"syn BARE, NAKED, NUDE, BALD, BARREN mean deprived of naturally or
>Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, published by Merriam-Webster, Inc.


With all due respect to Webster you can call me BARE, NAKED or NUDE but
please don't call me BALD or BARREN.

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton		|
aka Happy Bare			| 	(witty saying goes here)
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	|
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: USENIX Conference
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:49:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1hoaqpINNrap
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


As some of you are aware there will be a USENIX conference in San Diego
the week of January 25 to Jan. 29, 1993.  I have offered to organize some
outings for readers of rec.nude attending the conference.  I have also
offered my services to do some support work for the conference.  There
may be a conflict because they want me to work on Sunday.

PLEASE, if you are planning on attending the conference and can arrive a
few days early or stay a few days late let me know.  I'd like to organize
something that YOU will enjoy but to do so I need the following information.

What days will you be available to do something with other rec.nuders:

	Saturday, Jan. 23   -   All day or just part of the day?

	Sunday, Jan. 24     -   All day or just part of the day?

	Saturday, Jan. 30   -   All day or just part of the day?

	Sunday, Jan. 31     -   All day or just part of the day?

What would you like to do:

	Visit local nudist resort?

	Visit Blacks Beach?

	Visit Deep Creek Hot Springs?

	Other?



Right now it looks like the best plan might be to go to a local nudist
resort called "The Swallows" on Sunday, Jan. 24 and make a long trip to
Deep Creek Hot Springs on Saturday, Jan. 30.

Another reason I would like to know ASAP (As Soon As Possible) is that I
am going to put the dates and events in the Camping Bares calendar.  We are
working on the January newsletter now and hope to publish it around Jan. 4
or 5.

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton		|	You an call me BARE, NAKED or NUDE
aka Happy Bare			|	but please don't call me
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	|	BALD or BARREN
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page)
Subject: Humidifiers
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:44:32 GMT


   I have found that in the past having a humidier in my appartment
during the fall and winter can greatly alieviate dry skin.  I don't
swim very much, but I would think that it would help.  

   Be careful in what you buy.  It's easy to make the mistake of
getting one that is too small to handle a large appartment or house.  

    Another benefit is that it will make the air feel 'warmer'.

-- 
Andrew E. Page   (Warrior Poet) |   Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow
Mac Consultant                  |     The difference between what we are
Macintosh and DSP Technology    |           and what we want to be.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: rrandolp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rich Randolph)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:38:26 GMT

>>7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
>>circles if there are three or more.
>
>7.5  If swimming circles, use a counterclockwise circuit in the northern
>     hemisphere (to take advantage of the coriolis force) and conversely
>     a clockwise circuit in the southern hemisphere.

  7.5.1  Rule 7.5 only applies in circular pools with concentric lanes :-)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:58:13 GMT

Rich Randolph (rrandolp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: >>7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
: >>circles if there are three or more.
: >
: >7.5  If swimming circles, use a counterclockwise circuit in the northern
: >     hemisphere (to take advantage of the coriolis force) and conversely
: >     a clockwise circuit in the southern hemisphere.
: 
:   7.5.1  Rule 7.5 only applies in circular pools with concentric lanes :-)


	Oh, be serious.  Everybody knows that.

	Jim Acker

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:16:25 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:34:34 GMT
>FROM:   jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
>
>Do you have to have a prescription for Eucerin?

No. By the way, another advantage that I failed to mention is that it 
doesn't have any obnoxious scent.

--Michael Smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:01:46 GMT


Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604 (faunt@netcom.Netcom.COM) wrote:
: 
: >7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
: > circles if there are three or more.
: 
: I disagree with this one.  I swim in a outdoor public pool that
: usually has more than two people to the lane.  If there are two
: people splitting the lane, and I'm the third who wants to enter, then
: I have to wait until both swimmers have been informed that the pattern
: is changing.  This can mean a COLD wait before I can start swimming.
: I think it's more thoughtful to always swim in circles in this
: situation, since changing the pattern is pretty disruptive. 

	I've swum in a lot of different pools around the country in
my travels.  (The best situation is to find a team.)
	Rarely do two peoples swimming speeds coincide.  If there
are ONLY two people, swimming circles is dumb compared to
splitting the lane.
	When I've gone to a pool and joined another swimmer (now
two in the lane) I tell them (stopping them once) that I'm
joining them, and if another swimmer arrives, we'll switch to
circles.
	If I see a third swimmer get in, I switch automatically.
Knowledgeable swimmers cooperate and change quickly.  If the "split/two,
circle/three" rule was observed widely, I believe it would work well.

	I have, however, teamed up while circle swimming with another
relatively fast swimmer when a very slow swimmer joined the lane (in
a pool with no lap etiquette rules) to scare the h*ll out of said
slow swimmer and get them into another lane.  It's more polite to
make them realize they're in the wrong lane than to tell them --
I think.
	Another idea -- encourage designation of lanes by speed.  One
pool in this area has four -- slow, moderate, fast and "very fast".
I have no qualms about telling someone they don't belong in the "very
fast" lane if they're impeding others.

	A pool I worked out at in Reston, Virginia designated lanes by
speed.  However, if the "fast" lane was empty, it was perfectly permissible
for a slower swimmer to take it or split it, unless more "fast" swimmers
arrived.  The people at this pool were cooperative and rearrangement was
quick.  Every now and then, though, we had four "fast" swimmers.  Can't do
much about that.

	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov


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