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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Young and Queer (again): LONG
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:59:41 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Jul20.191304.12190@hourglas.UUCP> jhm@hourglas.UUCP (Jonathan Hulley-Miller) writes:
>In most cases anyway. My parents know and are quite understanding but I
>still have not told many of my friends (though this could be due to the
>fact that one of them is very unconfortable about it)...

Mmmmm... I guess that perhaps many of your friends, if they're friends
of each other too, already know, even if you haven't told them: the
grapevine is quite efficient in spreading information.  When I told
most of my friends (at 14 or so, my first coming out, as gay rather
than as bisexual), I'd been very apprehensive about how they'd react.
It turned out that most of them were either strongly supportive or
at least accepting; the few who weren't avoided me quite ostentatiously
for a while, and then drifted back to me again when they realised that
it didn't make any damn difference after all.  Dishonourable exception:
one of the guys I'd been getting off with pretty regularly was among the
most vocal of the denigrators.  What beats it all is that he still
wanted to keep having sex with me :(

I'd say that anyone who'd not want your friendship just because they'd
found out about your sexuality isn't worth having as a friend, but I
guess it's not my place to tell you that: they're your friends, and it's
you who risks losing them.

At least your parents are being cool about it.  Mine were *not*.  I
think that telling your parents can be a lot riskier than telling
your friends: if you lose a few friends, well, that hurts; but there
are always new people to be friends with.  Lose your parents, and,
while it's not the end of the world (I survived at least, though
getting there was pretty gruesome) it can make life very hard.

		hugs, snugs, licks, and other demuffinalia,
		Kay


-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi in body or in mind (was Re: Bis and marriage)
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:45:15 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) said...
>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>
>>By the way, long time muffin Coe is considering posting.
>
>Coe - will you please stop teasing us with this "I might get around
>to posting" and actually do it.  I'll never ever lend you a certain
>memebership card again if you don't.  

I'm here, i'm here!  I seldom tease, but only because i 
usually follow through.
Methinks Iseult has been spending her time pining away 
about missing the fun in Edinburgh, and not reading news 
as much.  But she has a real excuse:
<sympathy time here>
Poor Iseult has hurt her knee, and is possibly facing ooky 
treatment (from a cute doctor, though).  So I'll lead the
crowd in offering a very gentle, comforting hug.  (Could 
make good on that in person if we see you tomorrow, Iseult)

-Coe
-- 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Theta waves are brain waves
Coe L. Salzgeber - San Luis Obispo, CA !  (4-7hz) that are dominant in children
Internet: cjohnson@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU !  ages 2 - 5 and in psychopaths.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:20:36 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:

>[about his original posting on this thread]
>It was also a strong emotional reaction to tension between my marriage (which
>people who have read other posts on soc.bi know I value deeply) and what
>at least seemed to be presented as politically palatable queer values.
>I've already stated which would win out, so I was feeling that if I couldn't
>resolve the disparity, I should opt out of the forum.

But where does "the forum" define these queer values and ask you to
adhere to them?  Who says that these values are more valid than your
feelings about your marriage?  Something is being blown up out of
proportion here.  I can't see any reason why you should opt out of
soc.bi; on the contrary, I think that you *should* continue to post
here.  Where are other married bisexuals going to get support?  What
happens if all married bisexuals opt out of "the forum"?  Things would
get a little slanted, don't you think?  There are *always* disparities;
don't expect them resolved in a day.
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands)
Subject: Re: Hi all! :)
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:25:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul21.224935.23563@umbc3.umbc.edu> gottlieb@BugsBunny.acslab.umbc.edu (Robert Gottlieb) writes:
| 
| Well no I'm not coming out as I'm heterosexual,

Well, I used to say this.

As far as imagery/fantasy/etc goes, I have moved from het to het-leaning
bi, over the last few years.  It has been an interesting change.

Back a decade or so ago, when I was removing garbage from my upbringing
with the help of LSD, I left orientation alone.  All things considered,
on a medical front, considering how sexually active I was and with what
enthusiasm I tend to throw myself into new hobbies, I am probably much
better off (sadly to say) with having left that alone for awhile.

Anyways, I do not know if or when this shift will be physically realized
(just I do not know if or when I will get into a polyamorous situation),
but I want to thank everyone for forming a wonderful newsgroup, and give
a large e-hug.

*HUG*

   Fritz

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Well, here goes...
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Keywords: flirt flirt
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:03:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.203505.180832@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> 
sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:
>Since I've been reading soc.bi for several months now, I feel it's about
>time I posted something and got involved.  

Hello, hello...

>That said, I suppose some sort of confession/biography is necessary at this
>point--I'm 26, English (currently living in exile in Pennsylvania until the
>glorious return of a Socialist Parliament--or Doomsday.  Whichever comes
>soonest.), have long red hair (enroll me on appropriate lists as necessary),
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *yum*
>and I am a doctoral student (english lit.).  Favourite comment on informing
>old friend of my bisexuality:  "Well, you've always been a sort of dichotomous
>person.  There's probably a place for you in folklore."  

 (or legend ?)

>Perhaps I should let
>my hair trail from an open window and invite passing prince/princesses to
>climb up and rescue me.  Anyone?
 
 Well, only if you'll give me a hug when we're through...

>Looking forward to talking with you at last, and (dare I hope?) an encounter
>with the welcome wagon,
>
>Simon.

<lick><slurp><tickle><tickle>

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:33:21 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) wrote: 
>->In article <1992Jul28.124808.17289@watson.ibm.com> jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>->>*SEPARATES*
>->>*SEPARATES*
>->
>->This iz anothar isue thet seperates our comminuties.  The spelling priveledged
>->from the spellinng diverse.  

>"differently-spelt."

"Orthographically challenged?"

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:23:02 GMT


In a previous article, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) says:

>In article <1992Jul24.143435.27793@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.160750.19179@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
>>>homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
>>>hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)
>>
>>It fucking matters?
>
>Ro!  I'm surprised at you!  Of course it fucking matters!  I mean how
>are we to properly classify and tag it fuckers?  it, lacking a gender, 

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
(I've wanted to shout this, excuse me.)

That's one thing that really annoys me.  If I'd never had a non-hetero
thought in my life (Yeah, right.) then I could just be me, and think
about it little enough to look for labels for myself.

But instead, I recognize that part of me (An important part!) that is my
sexuality, and that it isn't like the "normal."  So I go to look for
others who are not necessarily *like* me but who accept me.

In my search, I find a bunch of labels.  "Queer, "Gay," "Bi."  Others.
I pick one that sounds close.  (And for my trouble, I found a lot of
people who are really friendly and wonderful... So it's not all bad.)
But after a time, I discover bad things that this label can do to me:
 
 - It can separate me from people who've chosen a different label than I
have
 
 - It can make me try to 'measure up' to the label, even if what is
expected is not something that is me.
 
I first labeled myself in an effort to find freedom and acceptance.  But
it sometimes seems that I get neither of these.  My label can force a
lifestyle on me the same way a non-label can. (Like the discussion of
women with sexual interests wider than those who want to share the label
'lesbian' with them.) And (I admit I haven't felt this one as much)
people with other labels but who ought to be understanding of my label,
since they are similar (At least in their difference from and
nonacceptance by the non-labels.) (Bi-phobia among the homosexual
population, and (Dare I even think it??) a mono-phobia among bifolk?)

Does anybody feel the same about problems of labeling as I do?  Did I
make sense?  Have I completely missed the boat somewhere?

Someone recently said something about us bifolk being a threat to the
'us vs them' outlook of the two monosexual camps.  But it seems to this
one that may be a 'us vs them and them and them' situation instead, at
least in the eyes of some.

I don't want a label, I want to merely be 'Jeff Epler' and defined by no
more than that.
-- 
|Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome                ;-) >{8-) |
| :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
|                                                   Lincoln, Nebraska|
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:00:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.asuccop.712306808
Organization: University of Washington

jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:

>In article <92209.143200IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>+from what i know of chauvenistic straight men (too much)
>+the reason bi wimmin are so interesting is the possibility
>+of a threeesome.  doesn't every "hot-blooded stud" want
>+to haev two women at once?

>Or, for a completely different view, he doesn't have to worry so
>much about having a dick to be satisfying... It must be late...
>and there's 50 more to go...

>I usually point out to my 'hot het stud friends' that in fact two
>women engaging in sex is HOMOSEXUAL behavior. I usually stare at
>them until they get the point (but then some never do...), or they
>mumble 'well that's ok for women...'.
>-- 

>John Clark
>jclark@ucsd.edu


	yes; just tonight i had somee creep on irc tell me he wanted
	to talk to a lesbain for net*sex, & then he proceeded to tell me
	how horrible gay people are.

	on the other hand, i'm quite turned on by bi men, & have had some
	of my best sexual experiences when my then-bf shared his cute
\	new bf.

	i don't mind het men being turned on by two women; what i don't
	like is when they're obnoxious (esp to *me*) about it.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:09:32 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul27.004004.19031@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>
>We may need to do more to provide ways for bisexuals to come out as bi
>directly, without being restricted by models of coming-out that were
>developed with gay men or lesbians in mind.
>
YES!



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series:  THE LIST
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:59:40 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Jul24.015842.11492@ccu.umanitoba.ca> wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca
writes:

>And one that doesn't belong on the list:
>BATMAN (comic-book drama) ABC 1966-1968
>    This was the story of a bachelor millionaire named Bruce who kept house with
>    a teenaged man named Dick.  Bruce and his young ward Dick went everywhere 
>    together and dressed in capes and tights to combat the villains of Gotham 
>    City.  As Batman, Bruce was completely tongue-tied whenever villain 
>    Cat-Woman ever suggested anything remotely sexual. [There were, of course, 
>    no gay characters in BATMAN]

But the recent films are much better (and the Gotham City scenery is just
awesome). In "Batman Returns", Batman invites Catwoman to come and live with
him but she turns him down. Robin (Dick) has not made an appearance in the
films yet and I sincerely hope that he never does. Michelle Pfeifer (sp?) is
excellent as Catwoman - I wouldn't have believed how strong that character
could be until I saw the film.

Why did you feel the need to explicitly state that Batman wasn't on the
list?

Owen.

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
From: grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: San Fransisco
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:47:52 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

Grant is having a party! (Yes, Virginia, there is a Party Animal... )

August 7th, 1992 from 8pm til the police arrive. (NOT!)     :-)

Bring toys, food, beverages, whatever you need to make you happy. 
Smoking will be outside only.
"Scenes" should be light, as there will be a few civilians present. :-)
Music is also welcome: we can handle tape and CD, and even vinyl (no 78's though).

The address is: 1439 Hayes in San Francisco, CA. 
(Hayes and Broderick, nearest major intersection is Fell and Divisadaro)

If you need more detailed information, e-mail me at
grant@autodesk.com

Please do not repost this outside of this list and please RSVP;
I need to keep some control on who arrives and plays. :-)

Grant. 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: I'm baaaaack!
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.185852.17901@mr.med.ge.com>, kranitz@dspalley (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE) writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>Well I'm finally back. As the manager of the band, I've been a little
>lax <Bad boy, I need to be punished>.
>
>
>Now I suppose I need proper punishment <evil grin>. The line forms
>to the right <wow, is it long>. Will it hurt much????? <ohhhhhhh>

Let's see...
Chain to a rotating board, in a spread-eagle position, butt up.
start rotating board, and whip.
etc, etc, etc...... YOU finish up the story.  8-)

Ouch... does it hurt?   c(-8

Hug and Grin and etc etc...
Ken   elee74l@jetson.uh.edu

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:00:43 GMT

 bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes [tho Jon supplied the original]:
+>	"I wonder how many bisexuals you can fit in a telephone box?"
+>	-A Dave (I think) (answer: 5)
+>
>Why only five.... is that the critical number for meltdown...?

It was six. We didn't wait for any more additions because, um, well...

>                             Bethan (The Deeply Embarrassed)

& she wasn't even in the phone box!

Tanaqui (there when it's happenin' - again)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:35:31 GMT

>>
>>ohhh, and NO, you can't fuck me.  you're too under-privileged
>>today, and it's not like i'm running a food kitchen here in
>>my calvins.
>
>Oke, bute can i fukk u? I premise knot too uze ani consananats.

IBM and AT&T employees in bed together?  My God, it really is a new world
order.
--scott

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:21:24 GMT
X-Signal-To-Noise-Ratio: almost zero

In article <3552@cs.rit.edu> kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
|-> (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:
|-> 0. More likely to fulfill my life-long fantasy of a three-some.
|I, for one, while joking around with the idea of a three-some, am not sure
|if I could handle one....<grin>...I have an idea of what MY limitations
|are...

   During my last trainspotting trip (*) I found myself in one of those
(a threesome, that is) and can distinctly recall stumbling around almost
dead from lack of sleep and sore muscles and bits for the day and a half
after the, er, event.  I get the distinct feeling that most people who
are keen on threesomes have a barely hidden deathwish, or are looking
for a distracting exercise regime (**).

                __
  david parsons \/  "Don't get me wrong, it was *interesting.  Exhausting,
                     but interesting."

  (*) which was a failure as far as trainspotting goes.  Too much sex eats
      into the daylight hours, which is the only time when you can fruitfully
      look for trains.

  (**)Mind you, the het-fantasy orc-f-f collection might be less tiring. I
      was in a (much more bi-symmetrical) m-orc-f collection.  If I have
      a suicide wish, I'll be conventional.
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:28:01 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <24024@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

>wait tomorrow's exciting episode of _Journey to the Bottom of
>Alex's Navel_ ...

You horrible Swamp Thing you! How am I supposed to be depressed when you
post something that virtually makes me fall off my swivel chair with
laughter? :-)

Owen.

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:15:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <5493@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dente@man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
+
+On a more serious note (if you've bothered to read this far), I think that most
+of us recognise the (bi woman) = (I get to join in with some hot lesbian action)
+mentality of many men - witness Ciaran (I think)'s recent reference to "HOT
+BI BABES" - I for one took it as a satirical reference to just this.  (Yes -

Isn't satirical spelt with a 'y'.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:44:01 GMT

I confess also being attracted to bi women. My reasons and stereotypes:
1. I like really cool (short), cute haircuts.
2. They're less repressed by traditional sex-role stereotypes.
3. They're more adventureous (less repressed).
4. I'm attracted to tomboyish women.
5. I like going to dance clubs with good music and people who can dance.
6. Probably less likely to follow rigid het. dating procedures.
7. Bi women are more open and accepting than straight women.

and, oh yeah :-) :-) :-)
0. More likely to fulfill my life-long fantasy of a three-some.
	Seriously, I think that is probably the first thing people
assume when a guy wants a bi woman. Me, I don't care.
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:41:26 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tanaqui, Back-Scritcher Extraordinaire) quotes Bethan
quoting me:

>+>	"I wonder how many bisexuals you can fit in a telephone box?"
>+>	-A Dave (I think) (answer: 5)
>+>
>>Why only five.... is that the critical number for meltdown...?
>
>It was six. We didn't wait for any more additions because, um, well...

It was? Sorry, I must have miscounted at the time. Shows you how drunk I
was at that point... as well as busy melting down.

>>                             Bethan (The Deeply Embarrassed)
>& she wasn't even in the phone box!

Must be something else then...

>Tanaqui (there when it's happenin' - again)

So, anything happenin' in Edinburgh this weekend? :-)


/jon
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From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:42:22 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <2A7424EB.121@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
writes:

>Sigh. Only the originator of "Duelling Tubas"!

Did someone say "Dueling Tubas"? This I *HAVE* to find out about! Someone
care to fill me in? I may need to buy a bigger mouthpiece to compete
though :-).

Owen (rampant tuba player alert! rampant tuba player alert!)

(15 million cross-post groups deleted)

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss