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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Oh wail; oh woe !
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:59:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.150509.5993@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
>Oh woe indeed;  19-17 of all things.
>
>Congratulations indeed to Australia, (gnash, grind), for their fine
>sportsmanlike and gutsy performance, and for winning the series.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>the Oz lifting that everyone seems to have seen but the ref, and, well...
>(ii) I am highly doubtful that Carozza's first try was grounded, Loe or no Loe,
>probably it shouldn't have been given.

What ,you were getting the beers right.It was clear from the play NOT the
slo mo that Carozza got the ball down before Timu rolled himover.
Loe is a cheat,thug and alround prick.Cite him you guys,give it away.He's
as guilty as sin.

>
>LOE: People will say I'm blind, but I honestly didn't see anything foul when
>I watched the game; the thought never even occurred to me at the time. Even on

Forgetvthe 'don't flame me bit ',loe did it claer and all.
the pub I was in(full of NZ'ers all went ...ohhhhhh,bet he walks.) When he 
didn't ,they all booed the decision.So someone full of belief,thinks Loe
was innocent.Give him a go ,cite him.See how the NZRU deal with him.
Remember he has two cgarhes now of foul play.

>that NONE of the TV commentaters even suggested it was a foul, at the time, and
>they're usually quite quick, observant, and impartial about these.)   And
>certainly I agree, if it *was* a deliberate foul, it was a repugnant one, and
>should be sternly punished.  Full marks to Carozza for soldiering on, and

Nice to see you agree,once again I ask you to cite this prick.If it wasnt
foul,deliberate,late or connect then he'll get off,just like the LA cops.
Try it,trust me ,he'll be okay.

>They can keep the cup, (gnash, maybe next year), but they are not the great
>world champs that NZ were, in 87-8-9.


ell this rates as the most stupid statement EVER.Wher did you guys finish in the WC,come on Aus is the greatest Rugby Nation BAR None.World champs are
world champs.
Sorry but you are so illogical I'm terminating this stupid post to your
bias.
Can you say BIAS.
Q How many NZ'ers in Aus were selected as a junior AB
A Everyone I've ever met.Or at least they say.
From: scott@cs.sfu.ca (Scott Barney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Keywords: olympics
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:04:01 GMT
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Jul30.213407.24279@news.columbia.edu> pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.203933.5711@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> swamp@bnr.ca writes:
>>  ...       - has rugby ever been an olympic sport? It would seem to me
>>that it has a larger following than roller hockey.
>
>
>I think it used to be an Olympic sport (long ago), but was deemed too
>rough (!) (And no Americans play....).
>
Actually, It seems to me that the last (and only?) time rugby was
played in the Olympics (as you say, long ago, the year escapes me) the
Americans took the gold medal. 
Scott
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Subject: Re: Springbok Team?
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:37:29 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <a2824ag.711787523@sunmanager>, a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager) writes:
> As far as I know, the Springbok team was announced last night - anybody know
> who it is? 

From the "Press" Thursday July 23.

Fullbacks - Theo van Rensburg
            Gerbrand Grobler
Wings -     Pieter Hendriks
            Jacques Olivier
            James Small
Centres -   Brendan Venter
            Pieter Muller
Standoff -  Naas Botha (captain)
Halfback -  Robert du Preez
            Joost van der Westhuizen
Props -     Heinrich Rodgers
            Johan Styger
            Lood Muller
            Willie Hills
Hookers -   Uli Schmidt
            Harry Roberts
Locks -     Adri Geldenhuys
            Kobus Wiese
            Adolf Malan
            Steve Atherton
Flankers -  Ian McDonald
            FC Smit
            Wahl Bartmann
            Ruben Kruger
No 8 -      Tiaan Strauss
            Jannie Breedt

Alan
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Subject: Re: NZ beats Oz 26-23. Tour comments.
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:44:09 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

As I said, I myself am not really sold on the idea of replay access to refs for
close try decisions.  But I don't think this objection really holds water...

> I also do not think that the number of tries/near-tries in a game 
> would justify such a rule.

The fact that it is very small (indeed many games would not require it)
nullifies your earlier objection that it would be too time-wasting.

> So if the cameraman is
> picking his nose, you might miss the angle you want.

Very true of course, then the ref would have to use his own judgement
entirely, as at present.  But I don't really see how it would hurt for him
to have the chance of an option.

There are sufficient cases, where it would make a substantial difference
to a game, to make it worth considering as a possibility.

And anyway; what about my other suggestion -  NEUTRAL LINESMEN !!!

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Subject: Re: Micheal Jones
From: garks@otago.ac.nz
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:43:13 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul21.122218.9499@waikato.ac.nz>, hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> In article <01GMKWFS36XS002GXV@JHMAIL.HCF.JHU.EDU>, tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU (Tilak Ratnanather) writes:
>> 
> 
> Even a begruding agnostic like myself can concede that Michael Jones has the
> right to his religious beliefs, but why does he add insult to injury by 
> watching the test from the stands?  Surely the difference between playing
> the game and watching it is minimal - if his Sabbath is so important why isn't
> he in church praying instead of exposing himself to all this temporal
> corruption?
> 
more on the same thing deleted


The thing is, it isn't really a church thing in Jones's case.  Apparently it's
a promise to his dieing father that he obey the sabbath.  His church has stated
publicly that they don't have a problem with playing rugby on a Sunday, so it's
more in keeping his word to his father that is the issue, and I'm sure that
no-one will begrudge him this.

As I write the ABs are 7 nil down against Sydney in the first 5 mins. Darren
Junee under the posts, and Rush and Bachop are playing.
McNeills' the ref.  HELP
>
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Subject: Re: It's great to be on top
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:00:20 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul24.095918.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, ccpcg@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (PHILIP GREENTREE VK2IW CCPCG@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU) writes:
> The Walabies won't be phased by R Loe & Co, they (Oz) have long
> since realised that punchups etc detract from the task at hand, 
> which is winning the game, and especially in the ABs case, grinding
> them into the dust the same way the ABs did it to us for so many years.

I guess someone forgot to tell Troy Coker the game plan!

Alan
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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Springbok Team?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:45:23 GMT

As far as I know, the Springbok team was announced last night - anybody know
who it is? 

Appreciated.
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From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Its great to be on top
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:03:54 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul24.063526.25976@cs.su.oz.au>, allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.130352.9610@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>
>>At least our national coachs are not caught molesting young men in public
>>lavatories...nor do we aspire to become a new USA through nauseating patriotism
> 
> 
> I think,unless you were in those lavatories,that you should check the facts.
> I don't particularly like the guy,but his private(near public) life is his
> own.What you are stating is pure spite,hardly within the spirit of the game.
> 
> 
> 
>>(thank God the spontaneous singing of the national anthem has never become
>>fashionable outside National Party meetings).
> 
> Gee did I miss God Defend New Zealand ?
> Andrew Denton of Live and Sweaty has just released a record called
> "As long as we beat New Zealand ",maybe you could take that up as your patriot
> song............
> 
>>
>>I'd also be careful in bringing up racial issues.  Australia's fine treatment
>>of its indigenous peoples speaks for itself.  I guess most Aborigines are too
>>"hung up" to play the white man's game of rugby union.
> 
> Ever heard of the Ella Bros. Mark ? Glen ? Thought not....
> just dont worry about it.
> Next time we play cricket don't forget the underarm story again....
> 

Although no one will believe me (not that I'll lose any sleep over that), I
did remember the Ellas.  The post was written in a festive spirit of
retaliation, a mood in which I was both freely aware of (a) the fact that
Allan Jones was acquitted of the public indecency charge and (b) the many
fine indigenous Australians who have represented their country.  I have been
both informed and amused by the (mostly, but not wholly) predictable replies,
particularly a gentleman from Texas who roundly condemned me for bringing
myself, the network, the game of rugby and the country of New Zealand (roughly
in that order) into disrepute.  There is something immensely satisfying about
the effect of low and cheap shots on those who cannot stand to have their
prejudices and principles (is there a difference?) pricked.  This is what our
Australian friend (and I use the word with a minimum of sarcasm) was up to when
he originally declared himself, and I see no shame in replying in kind, albeit
very self consciously so. By the way, I reserve my underarm postings for a 
different newsgroup.

I must go now before the imagined cries of "this is not about rugby" grow too
deafening.  

> 
>>
>>Richard.
> 
> Loe I pressume ?
> 
> 

If only, sir.  As most followers of this storm in a teacup will have guessed,
the only thing I share with Mr Loe besides the name is a home town.  I've
never played rugby in my life.

Richard (not Loe).


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Subject: Re: What a massacre !
From: imf@datamark.co.nz (Ian Franklin)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:21:50 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Jul24.081334.20276@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.135358.6027@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
>|40 - 17   Oh my God !!!    Did the teams have the wrong uniforms on, or what ?
>|
>|If this sort of thing continues, I'll have to remove the map off my sig !
>|
>|This was indeed the worst performance of any AB team ever, both in the score
>|book, and on the screen. I can't think how I managed to sit it right through
>|to the end.
>|
>
>Truth is hard to swallow. The All Blacks did not play that badly.
>Sydney was simply supeeeerb. The  All Black era has come to an end.
>Their haka no longer frightens Australian players. In fact, it was
>the All Blacks who must have been truly frightened when Australian
>players (not only Wallabies) stare right into their eyes while they
>perform their haka.
>

 Damn, I've thrown up on my keyboard.

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From: dascalos@eve.wright.edu (Andre Agassi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Toronto Draw
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:02:30 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

If anyone has the draw to the Toronto tournament please post it.  Also I
have written a small program to generate draw sheets.  If anyone is
interested, email me personally.

Thank You
Chuck Dascalos
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From: twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Masur vs. #1 seed Korda
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:46:13 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: twromero@celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu



Below is taken from our local paper on the Canadian Open coverage concerning
Masur's victory:

    TORONTO - Wally Masur came off the back lot and found himself in a
starring role at the Player's International men's tennis championships.
    The 29-year-old Australian has spent the past four days toiling on
the field courts at the National Tennis Centre but he made his debut on
centre court yesterday and upset top-seeded Petr Korda of Czechoslovakia
7-6(7-3), 4-6, 6-3.
    The win moved the 10th-seeded Masur into a semi-final match against
third-seeded Ivan Lendl. 

    Masur's victory marked the fourth in as many matches that Masur was
forced to go three sets, but yesterday's match broke the mold because 
he won the first set. On the three previous occasions, he had to come 
from behind after losing the first set.

    At that, Masur noted that he was "lucky" to win the first set.
       "He had enough chances to win", said Masur. "I think he just
tried to hit the ball too hard. He was going for winners on every shot."

    Korda had three set points in the first set but he squandered each of
them with unforced errors off ground strokes.

    When Masur took control in the third set, he was hit by an attack of
nerves. "I remembered the French Open when I had two match points against
Emilio Sanchez and lost," said Masur. "That was the last time I played 
a player
From: shrikar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (shrikar chakravarti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Vijay Amritraj's debacle after a great victory
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:12:20 GMT
Reply-To: shrikar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (shrikar chakravarti)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: shrikar@happy.cc.utexas.edu

Well Vijay Amritraj stunned the tennis world by beating Johnny Mac
in 1984 in relatively easy fashion 7-6, 6-2.
However in the second round match against Ramesh Krishnan also of India,
he collapsed and had to be taken away to the hospital.



Shrikar Chakravarti,
University of Texas at Austin
From: faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Jim Courier
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:45:03 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <92204.230140MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu> Mona E. Strassburger <MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Not only is Jim Courier an awesome player, but he is also very, very handsome.
> Does anyone share my opinion?

Jim Courier is handsome? Oh my God! Beauty is definitely in the eye of
the beholder. I don't know how to describe him, but handsome is
definitely NOT the word.
From: adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Davis Cup Team
Keywords: Davis Cup
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:56:17 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun24.bbn.com

In article <1992Jul31.102707.16921@eve.wright.edu>, dascalos@eve.wright.edu (Andre Agassi) writes:
|> This taken directly from the wire:
|> 
|> "Andre Agassi and Jim Courier were named by captain Tom Gorman to the
|> United States Davis Cup team that will face Sweden in the semifinals
|> Sept. 25-27 in Minneapolis.
|>      Courier, the world's top-ranked player and winner of the Australian
|> and French Open titles this year, will be making his 1992 Davis Cup
|> debut.  Agassi, the Wimbledon champion, has played in this year's two
|> earlier vicories, 5-0 over Argentina and 3-2 over Czechoslovokia."
|> 
|> 
|> Does anyone know who will be playing for Swenden in this tie??
|> 

   I think Edberg, Jarryd, and Gustafsson.

   Why do they call a Davis Cup match a "tie"?

Anne
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From: toby@skizix.almaden.ibm.com (Tobin J. Lehman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Has there been a string survey lately?
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:25:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center


I was going to send this note specifically to Filaman (Palmer),
one of our resident stringing experts, but I (apparently) couldn't get
through using the various supplied addresses.  Perhaps the net has
the answer.

After shattering my old Pro Kennex (too loose grip on a serve) and
then playing with my wife's racquet for several weeks, I can see that
a new racquet is a must.  I've decided on the Prince CTS Synergy
DB26 midplus.  A friend has the oversize version, and strung
it with Babolat fine play (16 gauge, 62 lbs), as the guy at the
tennis shop said it was "better" than Prince syn gut.  We're noticing
that the Babolat strings are notching badly, only after about
4 weeks of play (2-3 times a week).

(1) Is there some write up (Tennis magazine or other) that discusses
    pros and cons of various strings?  I found the racquet survey in
    Tennis magazine most helpful.

(2) I was thinking I'd go with 65 lbs (towards the control end of
    the 55-70 range) and some kind of syn gut.  I'd like some
    control with durability.  Any suggestions on which string(s)
    I should look at?

tjl
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Olympics
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.002512.29522@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> fam7w@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Farid A. Masood) writes:

>I feel that the tennis stars of today do not really care for the
>Olympic dream.  If it fits into their schedule well and good, if not
>no big deal.  There is no emotional attachement to that prize.

It really depends on the individual. One famous player (whose
name I'd better not mention or I'll be flamed to death in
this group :-) ) has recently suggested that he is going to
the Olympics for fun, not because he takes it seriously.
However, there are others such as John McEnroe and Steffi Graf
who are eager to represent their respective countries. Graf has
said that she values the Olympic medal over her Wimbledon titles.

>                                                               So let
>the Olympics remain for those who have sacrificed for it, so for those
>professional tennis players and basketball players, give the amatuers
>a chance, go back to the Wimbledon, US Open and the NBA and achieve
>your glory there.

This is certainly a valid point, but I also wonder athletes
such as Dan O'Brian should really be considered amateurs.
They don't win an prize money but sure make a lot of money
because they are excellent athletes.
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From: stamm@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: What group is this?!?(was Re: Jim Courier)
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:24:23 GMT
 <92205.183932MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu> <1992Jul27.140632.15307@rtsg.mot.com>
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Jul27.140632.15307@rtsg.mot.com>, gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
> In article <92205.183932MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu> Mona E. Strassburger <MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>Oh yeah?!  Well, who do you find attractive?  Probably someone like Andre Agass
>>i!   Yech!!!!   Give me a break.....
> 
> What in Hell does this have to do with tennis?
>

I think Andre Agassi has been known to play it from time to time ;-)

Also, international tennis -- top-players -- stars -- entertainment -- 
good-looks -- they just seem to be part of the one big package.
But I think that we should at least keep the serious cuteness critique 
under a more obvious heading - "Most attractive man", perhaps,
or "Studs" or some such thing, so that people like you can kill the subjects
before reading them. (That was the joy of the "Best in Bed" and "Most attractive
woman" series. But golly there were a lot of them to get rid of!)

                      - Milena 
> 
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Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 18:39:32 EDT
From: Mona E. Strassburger <MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Jim Courier
 <1992Jul23.144503.19288@cs.wayne.edu>

Oh yeah?!  Well, who do you find attractive?  Probably someone like Andre Agass
i!   Yech!!!!   Give me a break.....
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Players Int. 3rd Round Early Results
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:44:06 GMT

In article <BruJqB.CFv@watdragon.waterloo.edu> melunney@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Mike Lunney) writes:
] TODAY'S (THURSDAY) QUARTERFINAL MATCHES
] Korda (1) vs. Masur (10)
] Lendl (3) vs. McEnroe (5) (their 36th meeting:  Lendl leads 20-15,
]                            including 8 of the last 9, but Mac is hot!)

	What were the scores of the Lendle-McEnroe match?

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