From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: "64 Mentality" vs "PC/Corp Mentality"
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:59:04 GMT
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu says:

>Please spare me the "I'm actually doing the world a favor by pirating"
>BS , Rockerboy. I've heard it used before as a justification for 
>piracy and it was BS then just as it is BS now. I guess this is how 
>you justify stealing someone else's work. 

You really _are_ a moron, aren't you?  You _must_ be.  I do not recall
posting _anywhere_ a declaration that I am a "pirate", and have in fact
denied it.  Makes it obvious that conversing with you is a total waste of
time.  As do most people who simply want to fight instead of debate, you
ignore points made by the opposition, cite facts not in evidence, use 
wild
generalization to support your assumptions, then pat yourself on the back
as clever and oh so morally right.  You know, I really think that you
feel I don't have the right to _believe_ as I do.  Obviously you feel
terribly threatened.  Oh, lower life forms like yourself often lash out
violently when their fragile world view is threatened, so I'm not 
terribly
surprised.

>Sorry , Rockerboy (by the way do you have a real name , why dont you 
>use it instead hiding behind a "rad-kool" handle?) the reason the C64
>has lasted so long is that most C64 owners ,especially the pirates 
>couldnt afford to move to another platform as you yourself admit further
>on in your post.

Another asroundingly ignorant comment.  (As if a person would not have a
name.  What a dweeb.)  More citation of facts not in evidence.  (What 
proof
do you have that my use of a pseudonym is done to protect my identity?)
And more wild generalizations.  (I'm certain you know all 64 owners and 
can
personally attest to the fact that all those who pirated were poor.  This
is also a twisted logic, as it matters little even if you _could_ prove 
all
pirates are poor.  The salient point would be if you could prove all poor
people were pirates.  One does not imply the other.  And I suppose you 
also
believe that piracy is almost nonexistent on the IBM/Mac.  Get a clue.)

To address your idiocy in greater detail:

"Rockerboy" is who I am.  It has nothing to do with hiding my identity.  
It
is simply what I am called, and more people know me by Rockerboy that by 
my
real name.  Since it has no importance, I don't use it.  Rockerboy is too
long to fit as a username, thus in order to be recognized, I use the full
name.  Get it?  It has nothing to do with hiding.  Yet another example of
wild generalization and citing facts not in evidence.  You presume that
because many people use handles to mask their identities, I do as well, 
and
by extension, so does everyone else who uses a handle.  You are obviously
one of those people who is incapable of understanding that some of us use
handles simply because we _want_ to.  Because they are more interesting
than names.  You didn't choose your own name, and it says nothing about 
you
or who you might be, or what your interests are.  It conjures no
interesting pictures.  That's why I prefer handles.  Since you're 
obviously
a fairly dim witted fellow, and seem to have no apreciation for the fact
that many people participate in the nets for _diversion_, I don't expect
you to understand.

>This has got to be the most self deluded bunch of BS I've ever seen on 
>the net. You really think that people are stupid enough to buy your line
>about pirates being the defenders of the weak , downtrodden poor
>masses against the evil monolithic rotten corporations and governments?
>You and your 15 year old buddies may swallow it but no one else does.
>Since you are such a fine defender of the poor , oppressed masses 
>how many of those masses have you allowed to use your computer? Have
>you ever taken your computer into an inner city school to allow those 
kids
>kids whose parents will never be able to afford even a C64 a little 
>experience with a computer? Have you donated software or hardware 
>that you no longer use to charity? Tell us all about the wonderful
>things you and your pals have done for the poor and disadvantaged 
>besides pirating the latest Psygnosis game.

What is the point of _this_ little tantrum?  Baffle 'em with BS?  How 
many
holes can I knock in this one, I wonder.  Gawd, more than I really want 
to
bother with, but I might as well get started.  

Where is _anything_ said about pirates being defenders of the weak and
downtrodden.  What I _did_ say was that they serve their uses.  Your
problem is that you're so brainwashed by the corporate propaganda that 
you
actually buy statements like "piracy=theft", etc.  I also said that your
complaint of cheap computers was a load of crap, an elitist, rich boy
attitude.  I cannot imagine being so rich that I would pay more that
something was _worth_ to prevent the masses from having it.  You're out 
of
touch with reality to suggest it.  As I believe quite a few people (who
also took offense at your flatulent diatribe) have pointed out, Apple 
makes
plenty of overpriced dinosaurs to appease the idiot within you.  I have
trouble believing anyone would miss you.

I will simply ignore the rest of this ranting, since it's obviously
completely unconnected to anything relevant.

>And while you are liberating software for the downtrodden masses why
>dont you liberate hardware as well. As I stated above there are many
>people who cant even afford a C64 so why dont you provide them
>with hardware? Could it be that the reason you dont provide hardware
>to the masses is that the chances of getting caught are much greater
>when stealing hardware compared with the almost infintesimal chances
>of getting caught stealing software? Performing a B&E (breaking and
>entering) on your local Commodore dealership or on the home of a local
>Amiga owner tends to draw in the police unlike software theft.

More propaganda, hmm?  As I believe I have pointed out before, regardless
of the legality of copyright infringement, it is _not_ theft.  Theft
implies the actual criminal misappropriation of material goods.  I agree
that theft is and should remain illegal.  I do not necessarily feel the
same about copyright violations.  I believe I have already explained my
position on this, and since _you_ have already proved you have no 
intention
of listening to any discussion on the matter, it would be pointless to
repeat it.

>Yep and Jack has the courage to sign his real name to his posts unlike 
>you. But of course a handle is de-rigeur for the rad-kool dudes on the
>the local BBS and in the pirate scene. That's why I dont even bother
>with using BBS's for the most part. There are way too many people
>like you who hide behind handles and stir up trouble.  

Now I _know_ I already addressed this one.  Repeating yourself, now?  
Hmm,
another sign of mental infirmity.  And you don't use bbs?  Why am I not
surprised?  I imagine you have gotten kicked off quite a few for latching
on to someone with whom you disagree and pounding them until the sysop
steps in and cancels your account.  Also, most bbs don't kowtow to the
corporate politically correct viewpoint, so doubtless you would feel 
pretty
uncomfortable anyway.  PC/Corp means you defend everyone's rights except
those of people who disagree with you.  Sounds pretty descriptive of
you.



"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy