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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:13:42 GMT

Scott Barman writes:

>After Notre Dame signed that contract with NBC, ABC renogiated their
>contract to be $25 million LESS than the original.  They went from
>$160 million to $135 million.  That's a bit more than a 15% decrease.

This was my point.  According to ABC, Notre Dame home games were worth a little
less than 1/7th of teh CFA deal.  That is disproprtionately high considering 
that notre Dame only comprises 1/64th of the CFA *and* that ABC still has first
rights to Notre Dame away games.

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: Re: Defending OU (was Re: ND lovers / haters)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:12:10 GMT

dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:

>In article <1992Jul17.173539.14410@zip.eecs.umich.edu> hajel@z.eecs.umich.edu (John Hajel) writes:
>>
>..But, in defense of the Sooners, the Wilkinson's 50's teams were never under
>sanctions.  Switzer won consecutive MNC's ('74, '75) under probation for an
>infraction by the _prior_ coach (Fairbanks) for the unknowing use of one (1) 
>ineligible player (Kerry Jackson).  The '89 sanctions were for some rather 
>dubious minor "infractions."  (Well documented in Switzer's book).  I know
>it sounds paranoid, but the NCAA doesn't like OU (esp. Switzer).

That's a given...but before Miami, there was no one to truly hate, 
except ND.

>OU has always been a class act on the field (except for bosworth) and never had
>to resort to cheap shots or taunting.  Why should they?  There is plenty of
>tradition to back them up.

Uh....I lived most of my life in Oklahoma, and I have seen (or heard,
through the immaculate voice of John "JIMMMINY CHRISTMAS!!!!" Brooks, 
now the voice of the Univ. of Tulsa (and you wonder why Tulsa is suddenly
so good)) and evenOU gives a few extra hits. You can't deny that. Not 
as bad as Miami, but still.

>I cannot defend the five criminals in '89, nor can I accept that they destroyed
>the honor of a half century of great football players.  (For criminals, see
>CU).  Gibbs has built a new team with as much honor as you could want.

HEY!!!!! CHEAP SHOT! AT LEAST OUR GUYS ARE MERE PETTY THIEVES. WE DON'T 
HAVE AN ATHLETIC DORM TO USE AS A HOUSE O' HORRORS. BESIDES, THE BOULDER
POLICE ARE THE MOST RACIST MEN IN BLUE THIS SIDE OF LA. 

McCartney doesn't let any felon play. I believe Switzer did, as does Gibbs.

>Enough said on this go-nowhere topic.

Agreed. CU over OU, 24-13.
>                                    - Bill D.
-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
"Look! An X-man movie's coming out!"          |Currently at:
c.10 year old in a Tulsa movie theater,       |Box 1143
looking at a poster for _Malcolm X_           |Boulder, CO 80306
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: Re: A&M vs Oklahoma
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:10:49 GMT

zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:


>The Houston Chronicle reported Sunday that Jeff Granger will be playing 
>football for the Aggies this year and that talks between Oklahoma and
>A&M for a home and home series for '94 and '95 look to be settled, if
>the schools can manage to match open dates.  Can anyone up in Sooner-
>land confirm this?  or is it just wishful thinking on the Chronicle's
>part?

>cmuck

My lil brother, who still bleeds crimson and cream no matter how much I
send him CU stuff, says that it's '93-'94, with the '93 game in Oklahoma.
It replaces Tennessee on the schedule, who obviously had to make room 
for the SEC realignment. Oh, he lives in Tulsa, and quotes the _World_,
_Tribune_, and the ABC affiliate.
-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
"Look! An X-man movie's coming out!"          |Currently at:
c.10 year old in a Tulsa movie theater,       |Box 1143
looking at a poster for _Malcolm X_           |Boulder, CO 80306
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: more nicknames and mascots
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:32:44 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul22.163038.20748@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:

>>I remember hearing on ESPN that the bird is an ibis, supposedly the last
>>bird to leave before a hurrican hits, and the first to return afterward.
>>This sounds wonderfully courageous to many, but to me it sounds like a 
>>pretty stupid bird. :-)
>>
>Oh come on now Cliff. I am not against a little poke at the hurricanes
>every now and then but insult their mascot? You are a Huskie fan for
>christ sake. At least the stupid ibis doesn't lick himself on the 
>sidelines. 
>

Oh come on now Tony. We all know that the Ibis would lick himself in that
dog-like manner IF HE COULD....wouldnt you? :-)
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: ND fans
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:02:24 GMT

stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>And what does that say of Stanfraud's band? 

If you mean the LSJUMB, it tells me that they are disrespectful to
organized religion and that they are not very good at defending
themselves from crazed fanatics.


--Gidi
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: GaTech "Doing It Again"
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2823@wrdis01.af.mil>, demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes...
#When the Jackets are triumphant we will raise this mighty cheer:
#"We'll do the same next year!"

And you guys have been able to raise that cheer, what, *four* times in the
past 15 to 20 years?  And been able to make good on your claim *twice*?

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: SEC SCHEDULE?
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:05:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.181830.15957@b11.b11.ingr.com> tad@tad.b30.ingr.com writes:
>In an earlier article mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>
>> 
>> >Tennessee's schedule
[deleted]
>> >12/5 SEC Championship   
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>>     You guys better find out the time of this one.  Majors and the
>> team may want to watch it on TV.
>> 
>
>The last few years the Alabama fans I know have been pretty humble and waited 
>until after the third Saturday in October to do their "woofing".  Could it be
>this year they're going to come out of the closet before the season begins?
>I can only hope this will be another case where Oliver's Woofing Theorum is 
>proven true.  

    Try as I might, I can see no "woofing" of any sort in my
observation.  I was just trying to be helpful.  Besides, who
mentioned Alabama?  This time.

--
Guy McConnell
guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: South Carolina schedule, please
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:47:27 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul24.202651.8986@news.acns.nwu.edu> mdavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Davis) writes:
>Could someone post the '92 schedule for the University of South Carolina?
>
>==============================
>= Go Carolina Gamecocks!!    =
>= Go Northwestern Wildcats!! =

The original USC:
----------------

 Sept 5		GEORGIA
Sept 12		ARKANSAS
Sept 19		EAST CAROLINA
Sept 26		@Kentucky
 Oct  3		@Alabama
 Oct 17		MISSISSIPPI ST
 Oct 24		@Vanderbilt
 Oct 31		TENNESSEE
 Nov  7		LOUISIANA TECH
 Nov 14		@Florida
 Nov 21		@Clemson
 Dec  5		SEC Championship (vs. Arkansas) ;)


-- 
*************************************************************************
GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!      | "You may have a city slicker haircut,
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
James Clyde     LSU '91   |                   -- Frisco Darlin
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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:42:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.164311.27927@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@purcell.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.191011.13452@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.180507.9032@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
>>>>>Well I can't say I hate ND but I sure dislike them. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well I went to both ND vs. Colorado Orange Bowls at Joe Roby Stadium and
>>>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I was at the Orange Bowl in 1990, and it was played in the Orange Bowl (as
>far as I can remember).  If you went to Joe Roby Stadium for the game
>I'm not surprised that you didn't have a good time (it was probably empty at the time).
>
>				:)  :)

If I am correct, Joe Roby was host to the Blockbuster Bowl.


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More 'Cane mindless banterings ( was Re: ND stops series w/Miami )
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:10:05 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul29.161116.24697@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott  
W. Gatchall) writes:

+ Gee, Mr. Turman.  Your infallible wit (undoubtedly the product of U of  
Mia.)
+ has humbled me.  Must be the result of such intense Net exposure.

Mr. Turman's education is but an example of what UMiami players get,
except not as good. 

James
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From: mearley@brtpa90.bnr.ca (Matt Earley)
Subject: Re: New poster
Reply-To: mearley@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc., BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:10:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.163509.14992@news.nd.edu>,
rszczerb@dante.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.214956.1323@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>
jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
|> >few comments of my own --<insert ND-hating oath>--
|> >
|> >	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
|> 
|> Is the ND-hating oath because you are still bitter about getting
|> stomped last year ... or are there other deep-seeded reason?

Rob, I remember the winters up there are enough to dull anyone's sense of 
humor, but it's the middle of summer and yours should be thawed out by now.
-
Matt Earley, BNR Inc. Research Triangle Park, N.C.  I speak for me not BNR.
It's a joke ladies and gentleman, only a joke - David Letterman.
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BIG 10 predictions
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:07:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Jul30.150717.22442
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <f5PJ02JX1bF401@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jan10@cd.amdahl.com (jim Nimmer) writes:
>
>Could someone repost or forward me a copy of the BIG 10 predictions/previews?
>
>Thanks in advance - Jim

And please add me to that list also, if at all possible.

--Salty
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:37:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.202106.22910@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.200009.17980@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>>
>>I've been to football games at every ACC school except Duke, and
>>I'm fairly sure I haven't seen beer sales.
>
>Well, what else can you expect in the bible belt?

Not necessarily.  Many states make it illegal to sell alcohol on state
property.  Since many of the ACC schools are state schools I can
understand where they do not allow the sale of alcohol in the stadiums.

Besides, unless you're at a school with the football prowess of North
Carolina :-) or at just an awful place like Clemson (this smiley
intentionally left blank), do you REALLY need alcohol to enjoy a game?
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Re: The Wonderful Bo Schembechler
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:51:22 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <TODD.92Jul24103318@ra.me.wisc.edu> todd@ra.me.wisc.edu (Todd Jekel) writes:
>
>A Boiler/Badger extolling Bo??  Somethings fishy here...
>
>---
>Todd Jekel


Well.  I caught the sarcasm!  However, I'm not going to be sucked
into a stupid arguement about Bo.  Its the old Football-Envy
syndrome again.  Brian's article is surpising since his postings
are usually so mature and well-thought out.  (Now my sarcasm
is showing)


John
From: jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NEWS: Notre Dame broadcasts dumped for SEC games
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:45:49 GMT


I've noticed in today's USA Today that some NBC affilieates have dropped
broadcasts of Notre Dame football to pick up Jefferson-Pilots syndicated SEC
package.  It says here thea New Orleans, Tampa, Louisville, Chattanooga,
Memphis, and Montgomery have done so.  NBC has picked up other independent
stations in the Nashville, Chattanooga, and Tampa markets to broadcast ND
games, but these stations usually have weaker signals and do not carry as far.

I'm curious to find out if any NBC affiliates last year did a similar thing in
picking up broadcasts of local interest over the Notre Dame games, or is this a
first for the NDBC?
 
	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
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From: jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Woofing
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:39:13 GMT

I'm curious to know what the story is about "woofing".  Exactly when is it safe
to woof for your team and avoid the wrath of Oliver's Theorem?  Maybe this is a
FAQ, but I haven't seen the full explanation since I've been reading this
group. 
	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: more nicknames and mascots
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:10:29 GMT

In article <9920@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.184908.4412@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>>TRUE?!?! You tell me. I sure like "Rooooooooollllllllll Tide" a lot better
>>than "go elephants" but thats just me.....
>
>I dunno, Rob. I mean, Elephants are mighty, intelligent, elegant
>creatures. You'd rather your team be named after a massive bacterial
>infection???
>
>David Poore
>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

Or a menstrual period?

John
-- 
The opinions expressed here are sole property of the author and are not
the opinions of Make Systems or any other entity. What a shame.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
John "Dolphinatic" Turman
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: The Wonderful Bo Schembechler
Keywords: rose, heart, michigan, woody
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.095152.16970@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|> 
|>           "Bo Schembechler:  The Gentleman's Gentleman,
|>            and a hell of a bowl coach, to boot!"
|> 

Good God!!!! I have heard alot of BS on the net but this takes the
cake! No doubt Woody and Bo were legends of the game, but don't you
think you are spreading it on a bit thick.

Bo as a great commentator??????

Woody, teaching that Clemson player a valuable lesson!! P-Uuuuuuu

You work for the Michigan PR Dept. right? 
-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Washington NEWS
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:58:36 GMT



A couple of of Husky Notes:

Saftey Tommie Smith has possibly jeopardized his eligibility for
the upcoming season by dropping out of summer school.  Smith apparently
is a couple of credits short of what he needs to play in fall.  He
is still enrolled in a UW extension course, and evidently his eligibility
rides on whether he passes it or not.

Smith is a starter in the Husky's secondary, which is expected to be
amoungthe nation's best.  He was also california Player of the Year (88?)
in high school.



Well, Peterson's/Somebody (Sporting News???) football mag really screwed
up.  In their team by team analysis they listed under "Future Stars"
for the Huskies Travis Spring at WR.  Spring passed away earlier this
year from cancer.

Peterson's also referred to UW as the "Cougers" several times, but
that's not all that 


(opps!!!)  big of deal by comparison.



-Daytrpr
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: petersgj@cis9.b10.ingr.com (Gary J. Peters)
Subject: Alabama-ND (was: Re: I do, but do you..)
Keywords: Alabama, Notre Dame, 73 Sugar Bowl
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:31:19 GMT

>BTW, my feelings towards ND are both love and hate (You may hate ND to hell,
>but ND is damn good!  You may hate a football team because it's damn good.).
>
>- Chi

Hate is a harsh word to use.  I have a great deal of respect for Notre Dame
because they are very good.  However, I do not enjoy watching them and will
go out of my way not to.  My dislike for them stems from the fact that 
Alabama has always had trouble beating them and from their favored status in
the polls (my opinion - I don't want to get into this discussion.  I know the
Tide gets it share of favored treatment in the polls too.).  I think 
Alabama's beaten them only once in five or six tries.
The '73 Sugar Bowl is still burned in my brain. :-( I was 9 years old and
I can still see Notre Dame backed up to their own goal line and Tom Clements
throwing a 30 or 40 yard pass to some guy who hadn't caught a pass all year.
It was either a third or fourth down play.  Anybody remember receiver or down?
It still makes me sick thinking about it.  The games were always close but
Notre Dame always pulled them out.  There was some slight consolation in
Alabama's only victory over the Irish when Cornelius Bennett smacked 
Steve Beuerlein with one of the hardest hits I've ever seen. :-) :-) :-)
That's my Notre Dame rambling for what it's worth.  Two cents sounds generous.

Gary Peters
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, Alabama USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: UMCC
 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:37:20 GMT

In article <cePKPBu00Uh741JS96@andrew.cmu.edu> tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris
 Fletcher) writes:
>Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......
>
>Greg Hill, ?          Texas A&M            6 pts.
            ^^
            RB
>Ricky Powers, ?       ?                    1 pt.
               ^^      ^^
               RB      Michigan
>Tracy Saul, ?         Texas Tech           1 pt.
             ^^
             DB
>Dana Hughes, ?        Iowa                 1 pt.
              ^^
              WR
>"Duece", ?            Alabama              1 pt.
 ^^^^^^^^^^
 David Palmer, WR?  Just a guess.  
>
>Please continue to send in your votes and I will update this periodically.
>
>Make sure you send your top 3 picks!
>
>-Todd
>
>tf0y@andrew.cmu.edu
 
==================================================================
Steve Johnston                                Go Blue!
ssj@ais.org                              Webber, Rose & Co. 1993
Steve_Johnston@um.cc.umich.edu          NCAA Nat'l. Champs to be
Bluefront@HeroMud II
==================================================================
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hey Goob ...!
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:24:37 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul31.171025.18619@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>When are we going to get a fresh crop of freshmen net.goobers to lambaste?
>

when school starts again, o net goob.
which should be not too long (if any) before the season starts.

then well have someting to talk about, ie college football....
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Uniforms (was Re: ND lovers / haters)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <20JUL199209021457@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes...
#>7. Miami (white) -- Yeeeech...and what's with that stupid logo.
# 
#Orange and green happen to be the two cheapest colors to print onto an 
#orange box.  Why anyone thought they looked good or could transfer to 
#uniform colors I'll never know.

Let me clear this up:  Miami chose its colors to be orange, green, and
white for two reasons.  First, they are the city colors of Coral Gables, 
site of the University of Miami.  Second, they represent the state tree
of Florida, the orange tree:  orange for the fruit, green for the leaves,
and white for the blossoms..  As for the complaints about the U on the
helmet, I much prefer that to the old M they had back in the late '60s.
In the early '70s the university decided to change the logo, and since
there were so many other schools that sported an M, they decided to use
that nifty U which can accomodate a silhouette of whichever sport the 
symbol is being used for in the middle.  I also think, though, that putting
the Ibis on the side of the helmet would be pretty neat.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
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