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From: 22302LMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: SB: Maybe a new home for the show
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:43:09 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Just saw an article in today's USA TODAY here it is, "A new home for Santa
Barbara. NBC confirmed month-long speculation Tuesday that Santa Barbara will
leave the network in January.

But that doesn't mean Santa Barbara -set in sunwashed California seaside town
will sink slowly into the sunset.

James McNamara, president of New World Entertainment Group-which produces the
emmy winning daytime soap-says discussions are under way that could keep the
show alive.

"It's like a delicate Kabuki dance," McNamara says. "But I can confirm that the
phones are burning, presentations are being prepared, action is happening."

NBC's decision comes as no surprise. The network has been a distant third in
the daytime ratings for years and Santa Barbara ranked no. 10 of 11 soaps,
despite critical acclaim.

This news adds fuel to other rumors surrounding daytime TV at both NBC and ABC.

ABC spokeswoman Lisa Klausner denies that the network is headed for an all-soap
daytime lineup, eliminating the Home show.

NBC's Pat Schultz says, "the network plans to issue an announcement regarding
the decision's overall impact on daytime."

The opening left in NBC's lineup could make room for Days of our Lives spinoff
Manhatten Lives, starring Deidre Hall, which the network has in development.


(ed. note, as if I really like Deidre hall now on DROOL, do you really think
she is that good to hold her own show....I think not. She is a classic bore)
Lisa
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From: lbrother@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Larry Brothers)
Subject: Re: Y&R:  Brad After Ashley's Date
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.022940.20594@seada.com> sue@seada.com (Sue Raul) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.163631.16563@rd.hydro.on.ca> crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>>On yesterday's show, Ashley had gone out for dinner with Blade.
>>When she came back to her hotel room with Blade, Brad was there
>
>>Just my opinion, I thought he was an
>>idiot and was surprised Ashley was not more upset than she was.
>>Oh well, no accounting for taste.
>
>I agree with you.  I was p.o.'d at Brad for doing that.
>I was doubly p.o.'d at Ashley (and the writers making her character
>do this) for not demanding he leave and calling a locksmith the
>moment he made her "search" him for the key.  
>
>She's letting him get away with manipulating her.  I hate seeing that
>in soaps.
>
>Just another ventillation. :-)
>
>Sue

I haven't seen the show all week and don't know anything about this,
but could it be, perhaps, that the writers had painted themselves into
a corner w/Blade and Brad just *had* to show up somewhere, somehow?

Just my $.02.  Where's my change?

Larry


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From: cantor@moon.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: GH: Remember King????
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:12:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.005415.9519@CS.ORST.EDU> keeneye@CS.ORST.EDU (Eileen F. Keeney) writes:

[stuff about the teens and King deleted]

>They could avoid a lot of character inconsistancies, if they would
>define their characters pasts, families, and personalities before introducing
>them instead of just defining their daily behavior as each day is written
>into the script.
>
>Eileen Keeney  :-)    internet: keeneye@mist.cs.orst.edu

	Yes, but then we couldn't spend our time verbally attacking each
other because of the way the characters change (read reverse) personalities
when they leave and/or come back (or in Bill's case, for no reason at
all). 6^)

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From: jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC  Sighting
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:49:11 GMT
Organization: Chevron

I saw Kim Delaney (ex-Jenny) on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.  Was flippingchannels and there she was...on the island of Lanai with husband (who appeared
to be much older than her, for what it's worth...

-- 
Janet Tilander
Chevron Exploration and Production Services Co.
San Ramon, CA
From: norbeck@albiero.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Maybe a new home for the show
Date: 1 Oct 1992 21:02:30 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: albiero.cs.bucknell.edu

In article <25708@oasys.dt.navy.mil> greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas) writes:
>In rec.arts.tv.soaps, jcj@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (j.johnk) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.125321.25765@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22302LMK@MSU writes:
>
>stuff deleted
>
>
 same here.


>When I talked to the SB I asked them about the fact the Home Shopping
>club was going to have a SB Collection and wasn't that a good sign.



SB Collection???  Collection of what??  Please elaborate!!



Nancy



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From: kjs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kelly.smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Baby Deveraux
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:41:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct5.131600.16143@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, saj@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.suravlas) writes:
> In article <1ao5jrINNj32@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >
> >
> >So anyone want to have a poll as to the name of J&J's
> >bundle of joy?  
> >
> >But again I guess it will be a girl...and the name will
> >be Laura, after Jenn's mother.  Julie and Jenn spoke of
> >her for the first time in a long time, and since Bill is
> >delevering the baby it also would tie in; and isn't the
> >character of Laura going to come out of her catatonic state?
> >
> >
> 
> I think the baby will be a girl and they will call it Isabella (Please
> no daggers!) :-).

	I read in SOU that they will definitely not name their
	child Isabella.  Dorkday said something about there being
	only one Isabella.  I have a feeling it will be a girl.

	Also speaking of SOU, be warned, there's a centerfold of Butthead
	without his shirt on.  But there's a nice photo of Drake
	looking rather sexy as one of the perfect ten.  There's
	also a nice picture of Jack and Jenn in the SOD thingy
	that's attached (Isabella and John are on the cover)
	And Jack looks VERY sexy and Jenn looks very nice too.
	One thing though, why is Butthead always featured in these
	good looks things?  Jack is MUCH better looking than him
	and he never seems to make it into them.  I think I'm gonna
	write a letter of two.  I want to see a centerfold of Matt 
	for once.  John and Jack--the only two reasons why I watch
	this show, oh yeah and Tim, can't forget Tim......
> 
> 
> John
> 

	Boysenberry
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Baby Deveraux
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:36:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu

In article <Oct.6.14.24.28.1992.20018@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>
>
>What if they have triplets!  That would be typical Jack
>and Jenn fiasco.  Sure, we could go along all this time
>thinking there is one baby and be surprised with two, but
>Marlena and Roman already did that.  No, lets be surprised
>with 3?  Medical explanations as to why it wasn't detected
>earlier are not necessary - they never felt the need to
>explain Carly's medical credentials and that wasn't even
>entertaining.
>

Yep--I think triplets would be rather cute...seeing Jack,
Vern and Julie at work try to handle the kids while trying
to salvage the Spectator; or at home with Alice, Tom, and
Jack tending the house and the kids while Jenn works. The
only problema is that last week they saw an image of the kid,
and there was only one....

>
>>But if it is a boy I would guess that the name would be
>>William, after Jenn's dad, and for Jo.
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Do you mean "or for Jo?"
I mean that it would be the name Jo gave Jack, and that way it
would be as if Jack really accepts himself as a Johnson in
spirit, and would be doing something to honor Jo by using the
name for his child.

>
>They could also name a boy after Steve, or for Harper Devereaux's
>first wife, who Jack grew up thinking of as his mother.
>
>Speaking of names, as lame as Billie Reed is, she has a cool name.
>I didn't realize her name was Billie Holiday Reed until yesterday.
>
Is that her real middle name or was Bo making a joke, since both
are Jazz singers--of course using the the terms VERY loosely for
the actress and the character--and both had problems with narcotics,
and were on the wild side.

>-- 
>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
>Publications Coordinator - User Services
>Rutgers University Computing Services

Spud--Poor sister Lime, sorry but the Jays (your so cute)...nahhhhh.
And today is the day the R.E.M. CD comes out--Peel.


-- 


This Space for Rent.
From: susanm@an.hp.com (Susan Margulies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: Bri The Fashion Plate was: Irony
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:29:19 GMT
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Terra Goodnight (terra@reed.edu) wrote:
: ONe more thing on the subject of Bryan that's been bugging me.  People keep
: saying that they hate him and what he's doing to Hayley/Dixie, etc.. and then
: they say he's a bad actor.  WEll, it's one or the other in my opinion. I mean,
: if he's making people care one way or the other, it means he's doing his job.
: Personally, I think it's the writers who are to be criticized. I mean, why'd

I agree.  I hate what he is doing to Dixie - asking her to be his
2nd choice woman, but I like Matt Borlenghi as an actor.

IMO, he does a realistic job as an actor.  The character is
believable to me, regardless of whether he does what *I* would
want him to do in a situation.

Susan

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From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Y&R: Toni your the greatest
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:42:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Thank you Toni for your posts!  You really have stuck with this
group and I for one appreciate it!

Lynn
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Subject: DOOL: 16 years ago
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 28 Sep 1992 09:19:10 EDT


According to Soap Opera Magazine, 16 years ago David banning, Julie's son by
David Martin, started a tempestuous interracial romance with Valerie Grant.
Their love affair was further complicated by his troublemaking ex-girlfriend
Brooke Hamilton when David found out she was pregnant.
(Ed Note, they have yet to touch anything interracial since then"


Sis Blueberry
From: bsvachak@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (barbara.svachak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: GH: Update for Wednesday
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:56:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Aekknvq00iUyQ1aa8i@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jennifer Allyson Turner <jt3j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Jason talks to Edward and Lila and again apologizes for stealing the coins.
> >Edward gives Jason the gold coin as a birthday present, to remind him of
> >the lesson her learned. [of course, nobody knows about the van yet, huh?]
> 
> What van?
> 
> -Jenn

When JJ&K were trying to get the money for Atkins, they stole a van.  They
didn't get much money from the chop-shop, though.  I forget if this was
before or after Jason stole the coins.  Anyhow, Karen wanted to come clean
with the authorities about the van, but J&J out-voted her [again... you think
they would've learned from the first time to listen to her!]  Anyhow, they
agreed that they should do something and repay the guy for his van (Jason
got the name from the registration while they were stealing it), but nothing
has been said since.  Don't ask me where they're going to get the money to
anonymously give to the owner of the van.  I would think their money was
confiscated and is in the evidence room by now.

Barb
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From: comjudi@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judi Geistlinger)
Subject: Re: AMC : Dumb as Dirt Dixie was:Irony
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:51:16 GMT

debbiek@rruxc.uucp (25670s-kennedy) writes:

>In article <92270.085442JSNYDER@auvm.american.edu>, Joni Snyder <JSNYDER@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>> In article <1992Sep25.155911.19751@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, debbiek@rruxc.uucp
>> (25670s-kennedy) says:
>> >
>> > 1.  She gets her uncle put in prison.

>> I forget how did she do this?

>First of all she found Silver's body in Courtlandt Pond,
>rolled up in Nat's Oriental Rug!
>Then (Dix used to be the MAID at Courtlandt Manor!)

Wasn't she a maid at the Chandler Villa? I know it is a picky point. I don't
remember her being a maid for Uncle Palmer.

<Stuff deleted>
-- 


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j-geistlinger@uiuc.edu
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 11:10:02 -0400 
From: Jennifer Allyson Turner <jt3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: AMC: Monday 10/5 update 

>	A question: We all know Erica has been Married 8 times.
>	Which Male character has the most marriages. I think it's
>	Palmer (Daisey twice, Ellen, Natalie, Opal, Donna)? Anyone else?

Palmer was never married to Ellen!!  Otherwise, I agree and have another
name to add to the list: Cynthia (Jane Eliot, currently Tracy on GH). 
Don't you remember when PC married her and adopted her son Andrew as
heir to Cortlandt Electronics?  And I'm sure there was another wife in
there somewhere.  Wasn't PC married to Chandler's sister way back in his
Pete Cooney days?

-Jenn
From: susanm@an.hp.com (Susan Margulies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: Monday comments and sightings.
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:31:38 GMT
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Rachel Foster (rachel@cc.gatech.edu) wrote:
: Also, when she was on the phone with Trevor, whe looked down and smiled
: as if to say 'awh, that's so cute' when Mo-mo was reaching for the phone.
: As a blind person, she shouldn't have known what Mo-mo was doing.
: 

I don't have any experience being blind or anything, but I would believe 
Nat could feel the baby tugging on the phone or even sense that the baby's
hands were right in front of her mouth.   Of course, she shouldn't have
lookes down at the baby like as if she could see her.  I'm sure it isn't
an easy role at all.  

BTW, Rachel, have you unlurked before?  I didn't recognize your .sig!
If you are new, welcome!

Susan 
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From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Friday Oct. 2nd
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:22:31 GMT
Organization: UB


Okay...  I thought the gift for Jack was super-lame.  I'll die if he ever
wears that tux shirt!!!!

Does anyone else think that that Drake is doing an awesome job as the
devastated husband?  I mean, it is a *really* hard, stressful, sad 
situation for a husband (with a baby) to lose his wife so young, and most of
the time he is looking, quite realistically, full of despair.


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From: kudra@hubcap.clemson.edu (sallie j kudra)
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN: Danielle's Revenge
Keywords: hurricane
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:38:44 GMT

mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak) writes:


>Imagine my surprise when I heard there was tropical storm named Danielle
>heading up the East Coast.  I knew that someone would someday pay for the
>terrible injustice done to the best character on DOOL in ages!  Being the
>coward I am I had no desire to stay and feel her wrath, so I fled north
>and escaped the terror!  You'll just have to rely on other East-coasters
>for a full report.  Nelson, Kelly-Jean, Beth, John, Sallie, Linda, Tammy,
>Kathy....  are you out there?   Did it get you all or what????   I'm so
>scared I can't think straight.  I'm going to go find out if any towns of
>Salem were devastated by the storm and this might lend a clue as to the
>whereabouts of the mythical town once and for all!


>Intriguing lyric of the week:  (Send guesses via email)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   "When you're young you find inspiration
>      in anyone, who's ever gone
>         and opened up a closing door...."
>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>	_ _ _ N _   _ O _ _ N _   by   _ _ T   _ _ O _   _ O _ _

>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  What is it up in the air for?                :   Timothy Mizerak        |
>|  It's going to fall if it's there for long.   :   tm@mhnmc.att.com       |
>|  It's over, it's over me.             R.E.M.  :                          |


Hi Tim.  Yep, I'm okay.  Danielle did you say?  Haven't really heard any news
or weather for that matter lately, tends to happen when you are doing house
repairs (God must hate us because we have had to make major repairs to every
bathroom in every house we've ever lived in).  Plus, both of my college foot-
ball teams are having dismal seasons :-(.  Total distraction.

Nectarine "Now for the new .sig file......"


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: gibbsm@ll.mit.edu (MargAret D. Gibbs)
Subject: Re: AMC: Update for Monday 9/28
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:43:26 GMT

In article <BvCC2o.48p@encore.com> dmillard@encore.com (Debbie Millard) writes:
>This made me *SOOO* angry.  All along I was in the minority wanting
>Brian and Dix together.  But now he tells her he wants her *only*
>after Haley dumped him - again!  Ok, so maybe he realized he made
>the wrong choice earlier (like maybe during the goodby bop?), but
>his timing stinks.  Makes it look too much like:  Well, I can't
>have Haley so I guess I'll settle for Dixie.  Gag me!

I agree with you and the others who have posted similar sentiments...
Brian has really shown his lack of brains on this one, as well as
lack of tact, poor judgement, little common sense, and just plain
stupidity.  The first Brian would *never* have acted like this (IMO)!
And that "good-bye bop" was a stupid move, too, especially since he
was at that time planning to go back to Hayley.  What a moron!


-- 
Margaret D. Gibbs		"Practice random kindness and 
Assistant Staff			 senseless acts of beauty"
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From: rotcamy@athena.mit.edu (Amy K Schneider)
Subject: SC: Does anyone know the address?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:17:12 GMT

As much as I hate to admit it, I got completely hooked on Swan's
Crossing and don't want to see it end. Does anyone know how one goes
about "letting them know"? Please reply via email, since I do not read
this newsgroup. Thanks!

Amy
rotcamy@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: cantor@triton.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: GH: Thursday Update 9/17/92
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:42:30 GMT

In article <QelRS4m00aw_MLqFFX@andrew.cmu.edu> jt3j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Allyson Turner) writes:
>Update 9/1.. scott eric cantor@triton (1346)
>
>> Just a question....how can you blame the character of Holly for the
>> method the writers (and I use the term loosely) chose to write Emma Samms
>> off the show, and subsequently to bring her back?  It was Emma who left the
>> show.  Just because the writers couldn't think of anything better than to
>> pretend she left Robert doesn't reflect on Holly to me.
>
>Another question: if you can blame Holly's behavior on the writers, then
>can any soap character be blamed for their actions?  It was just the
>writers, after all.
>
>Tracy's not really a bad person.  Just because the writers chose to send
>her off to Hawaii with Dylan to torment Paul, doesn't mean it reflects
>on her character.
>
>-Jenn

	I don't think the analogy is sound.  Holly's behavior could be easily
considered "out of character," whereas Tracy has a long history of being the
villain.  It seems to me that Holly did what she did not because it made
sense for the character, but because Emma Samms left the show and came back.
Tracy's situation is totally different.  Calling Holly a bad person for
staying away from Robert is unjustified, IMO.  I don't think the character
would have done that.  The writers obviously were not too interested in being
consistent.  They just wanted an excuse to explain Emma's absence.

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From: debbiek@rruxc.uucp (25670s-kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC : Dumb as Dirt Dixie was:Irony
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:48:29 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <BvCEHu.Mto@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, comjudi@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judi Geistlinger) writes:
> debbiek@rruxc.uucp (25670s-kennedy) writes:
> 
> >In article <92270.085442JSNYDER@auvm.american.edu>, Joni Snyder <JSNYDER@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> 
> >First of all she found Silver's body in Courtlandt Pond,
> >rolled up in Nat's Oriental Rug!
> >Then (Dix used to be the MAID at Courtlandt Manor!)
> 
> Wasn't she a maid at the Chandler Villa? I know it is a picky point. I don't
> remember her being a maid for Uncle Palmer.
> 
> Judi Geistlinger

Well, she was the maid at Courtlandt Manor.  Uniform and all!
Picky Point:  She was a "Mother's Helper" at Chez Chandler.
Boy, did she help Brooke out of her marriage or what?!
                                *********************
Deb                             Since I gave up hope,
                                I feel much better.
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