From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:06:15 GMT
	<1992Oct7.013502.1130@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....

In article <1992Oct7.013502.1130@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

   Are you saying that the chinese and indians are as discrimiated as the Blacks
   in South Africa? I've never met any situation where complete discrimation is
   absent, even in USA? In fact it is worse for the chinese in USA than in
   Malaysia, not only they have to pay higher taxes, they also have to tolerate
   blatant discrimination in jobs in both government and private sectors.

Rubbish.  Racially, I am a Chinese.  And I am not even a citizen of the USA
(which means that, I SHOULD have the LEAST benefits and MOST discriminative
attitudes applied to me.)  I'm sorry to burst your bubble but outside of not
being able to vote and not being able to work without a work visa, I am not
discriminated against.  As for paying higher taxes, I pay taxes no higher than
any American in my tax bracket.  And, since I hold a very high paying job
(compared to any other Software Engineers in the United States with my
experience or even those who have more experience than I) in Wall Street, I
don't think your claim of "blatant discrimination in jobs in both government
and private sectors" holds true.  The only discrimination Chinese may suffer is
that people tend to think of them as hard-working as a general rule.  I don't
know where you get your information from.

I also have American-Chinese (i.e. ABC) friends who are also NOT discriminated
against.  If you are implying the "glass ceiling," then yes, there appears
statistically, to be not many Chinese CEO's of major companies but Chinese are
a minority that, in time, will get there.

   If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
   no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".

I doubt that this would be the case.  We Chinese tend to have one thing on our
minds, as you may well agree:  profit.  "Ethnic cleansing" is not profitable.
So we wouldn't do it.

   The minorities do not count, because they have listened to the "stubbord"
   majority. Remember that the atrocities by Nazis, Bosnian Serbs(?) and Japanese
   soldiers are the not supported by the whole population, but all are responsible
   for letting it happen.

I am very much against all atrocities, be they committed by Nazi, Bosnian Serb
or Japanese.  By your logic quoted above, YOU are then responsible for ALL
Malaysian policies, even those you disagree with.


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