From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:41:45 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Nov18.214145.2579@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) writes:

>>>  Furthermore, Apple does to the Mac owners what they've done to
>>>  Apple // owners about 5 times as often. Every 6 months Apple outdates
>>>  the models of 6 months ago.
>>
>>	That's funny. My SE can run the same programs everybody else does.
>>Nothing outdated about that.
>
>That's not the point.

What is the point, then??  Most people have this peculiar notion of "outdated"
or obsolete.  The guy with the SE can run pretty much the state of the art in
software, the best of which today is more than most people need.  What more do
you expect?  Apple's latest system software can run on those older machines and
has had a consistency that shows no sign of not supporting the older machines.

What is your point?  What do you mean by "outdated"?  I and I bet most everyone
else reading this group wishes that Apple would "outdate" the models of 6
_days_ ago if by outdate you mean introduce something with more power, etc. 
What's wrong with a company trying to improve its products??

>>>  This kind of anticipation game is what has kept me from buying a Mac for
>>>  so long.
>>
>>	I'd suggest you look in the mirror before blaming Apple.
>
>Oh, give me a break. There are SO many people out there that want macs,
>but are afraid to buy one, because two months later, there's a way better
>model of it out at only $200 more than what you just paid. (a great
>example is the pb 145)
>
>I'm not justifying this reasoning, but in a way, I can whole-heartedly
>agree with them.

In what way?  I have to admit, as a former Apple II owner, I might have had the
same sentiments, _BUT_ now I recognize this silly attitude for what it is --
NONSENSE.  Hopefully, when you shell out for a Mac you have some idea of what
you want to do with it.  Hopefully, these great numbers of people you refer to
have such an idea, and are more concerned about being productive than having
bragging rights about whose machine rules (rights that have about the lifespan
of a housefly!).  The pb 145 is _NOT_ a great example, because anyone who
bought a pb 140 WITH THEIR FUTURE NEEDS IN MIND is to busy being productive to
worry about the increased value of a pb 145.
>
>>Is this good or not?
>>>  No. It isn't. I think Apple should try to build a line that can stand
>>>  the test of time as well as your //e (and mine :) did.
>>
>>	They do.
>
>WRONG. They don't. Apple's computers have lacked the innovation that
>lines like the Apple II had.
>
>Just ask Apple's Marketing why they do what they do. To make you buy
>more and more macs, no matter the cost. "Its outdated? That's ok, buy
>our next model."  (oh boy... I can see the flames coming now... ;)  )

WRONG.  Please explain your generalizations, e.g., that the Mac is not (HAHAHA)
standing the test of time.  The reason why this is so funny is because I work
in computer labs with friends who _HATE_ macs but would readily agree that
they stand the test of time and that they have been innovative (alright not
compared to Unix systems).

Get a clue, man.  Read the news -- even Bill Gates readily acknowledges the
influence and _FUTURE IMPORTANCE_ of macs.
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"Apple II forever!!"?  In your dreams and mine, but I can sympathize with the
feeling.  One day the bitter Apple II owners will not only realize that
everything from the Mac+ to the Quadra 950 are good, useful machines, but also
that buying an Apple II and expecting a company to hold their hand makes _NO_
sense at all.  It was a good idea for Apple to break with the Apple II past.
--
Bake Timmons, III

-- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life
than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)