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From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Subject: Re: Need Advice/CS major w/ bad grades
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:19:00 GMT

judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:


>	To the person who is "thinking of becoming a technical writter". . .

>	Don't feel bad about your spelling; we have a guy running
>	for Vice President of the U.S. who can't spell either.


	     It's worse than that: He actually *is* your Vice President.

	     Mats

>	(Sorry, I just couldn't resist it.)


>		Judy
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Job choice...
From: tsang@futon.SFSU.EDU (Joanna Tsang)
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:33:38 PDT
Followup-To: tsang@futon.sfsu.edu, misc.jobs.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: San Francisco State University
Keywords: help, choice, money vs. happiness
Summary: Help!

Hi, netters!

	I am in need of your infinite wisdom here.  I have a two job offers.
One is with a company that I really like, but it's a contract and will last
two months.  There is no guarantee that I will get a permanent job there.
(In fact, it's almost nil chance that I will get a perm job there.)  It pays
about $30K and is a 1 hr. commute.  The other is for a perm position.  The
pay is also about $30K, but is a 1 1/2 commute.  I like the responsibilities
of the first job better than the perm job.

	I need all your responses by Sun. night, since I will have to let the
employer know Mon. whether or not I'm taking the position or not.  My main
concern is that this is the first perm job offer I had in months.  Being in the
San Francisco Bay Area doesn't exactly help matters either.

	Thanks a lot.

						-Joanna
-- 
Joanna Tsang						tsang@futon.sfsu.edu
San Francisco State University				tsang@toaster.sfsu.edu

This mesage will self-destruct in...*BOOM!*...five seconds.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lenny@bmerh187.BNR.CA (Len DePalma)
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Reply-To: lenny@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fiber Systems Development
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:01:15 GMT

Actually, I think management is more receptive to the concept of
telecommuting than many have implied, however the big roadblock is lack
of a physical medium.  The current public network simply can not support
home terminals running window based applications and/or video
links - both of which are required in order to make this concept really
take off.

Even today's most advanced digital public networks (which only exist
in small pockets of most first world nations, if at all) can currently
only guarantee 2400 baud service... and as most of us know, even 9600
baud is agonizing slow.  Plus, the costs of supporting such connections
in today's network is astronomical (in my situation, 45 kms one way, an
8 hour phone call to my employer's data service during business hours is
over $100 CDN!).  What is needed is a broadband capability of the entire
public network, this will give realistic connectivity and greatly reduce
the costs involved, but is also a long way down the road.

One alternative to the above problem is the idea of commuting centres,
which someone has already touched on.  However, these (or the similar
'employer communities' concept) are not an effective solution since
they require folks to live in a specific geographical area - which
defeats the original objective.

Telecommuting is a great concept... but as someone living in a country
with one of the most advanced public telecommunication networks *and*
as one who is employed by one of the leaders in the industry, I don't
think it's going to be achievable in any practical format for at least
another 10 years.   :( 

However, I sincerely hope this concept of telecommuting is not being
missed by those telcos who are currently pushing the public network
envelope (e.g. with fiber optics) and looking for new services to bring
to the market - it certainly is one value added service *this*
subscriber (and hopefully my employer) would line up to buy! 
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INTERNET: lenny@bnr.ca                 Any opinions expressed are mine.

"You get the most noise from the emptiest barrels."  (Burton Cummings)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Subject: European Life Sciences Institutes/Corporations/Research Centers?
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:28:31 GMT

  I was wondering if someone might post a list of European life
sciences institutes, corporations, research centers, etc. and their
addresses (both email and/or regular mail if possible).  I have
backgroud in microbial/molecular genetics, general microbiology, and
biochemistry and I am interested in applying for such jobs in Europe.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Russell J. Soots -- North Carolina State University -- SED + SMB + minor in GN
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch)
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Organization: Koch Research Labs
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:16:52 GMT

In article <18ipmsINNm7n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ap096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin P. Dahlhausen) writes:
> Do companies perform any initial screening before sending out
> the postcards or letters that say "thank you, we are reviewing
> your resume ......."?  (ie can this correspondence be taken as
> a good sign or is it generally just a given company's standard 
> policy to reply to all resumes?)

Well, at least it indicates one thing: THEY GOT IT!  I don't know how many resumes
I've sent out recently that I've gotten nothing back.  (I've also gotten no response
from one interview for over seven months!)  It really depends on the company.  I've
heard of several people who have gotten the "Sorry; we can't use you now" letter
and an offer letter within days of each other.

-- 
Don Koch
aardvark@nt1l.krl.com
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:23:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
: I hope I'm not being completely naive (probably) but it is
: increasingly amazing that in an age where information is the key asset
: and it flows everywhere that reliance on an antiquated and
: antideluvian system of 19th century work control is an absolute
: anachronism.

Well, I hate to sound cynical, but the current system of management
will continue to limp along until such time as it presents a *significant*
barrier to keeping business profitable.  In other words, it "works" in
that it keeps the bottom line mostly black and/or keeps the CEOs 
earning their seven-figure salaries, so there's no incentive to change
it.

The are only two things I can see that will change this situation.  The
first would be if the labor supply-and-demand curve were to start
shifting the other way... right now, companies can keep fully staffed
with workers who'll come to the office and be satisfied with two-week
vacations (to bring in another thread 8-) ).  As long as the recession
holds out and people are happy just to have a job, nothing's going to
change.

The other thing that may change the situation would be if a forward-
thinking company were to harness remote workers in such a way as to
provide them with a significant competitive advantage, such that other
companies would then have to follow suit just to stay in business.
I don't see *this* happening any time soon either...

-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 15:15:10 GMT

In article <1696@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:
>
>Well..... that's one of the *problems*.  You see, not all of us are
>cut out to build up a business from the ground up.  Mind you, I think
>I'd *probably* be good at it, but I'm not sure.  (I keep having these
>nightmare visions of hanging out my shingle and having *ZERO* customers.
>"If you build it, they will come" does *NOT* work in business!).
.
.
.
>I guess I'm wondering why it should be this way...  one of the
>*reasons* I'm interested in working at home is to save me the two
>hours a day I spend commuting along with the related hassles.  If
>I go into business for myself, then I'd have to spend those two
>hours working the business side of things in *addition* to whatever
>else I'm doing... along with the related hassles.  Doesn't seem like
>much of a bargain, does it?

It sure ain't.

If you think that running your own business and working for yourself rather 
than "the man," might add ONLY two hours a day: your definitely aren't ready.
Much credit for knowning your own wishes...that's everything in business,
as well a life.

Good luck with DEC...

Rob D.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:14:50 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <92252.43832.LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>Do companies perform any initial screening before sending out
>>the postcards or letters that say "thank you, we are reviewing
>>your resume ......."?  (ie can this correspondence be taken as
>>a good sign or is it generally just a given company's standard
>>policy to reply to all resumes?)
>
>My experience is that the "thanks, were reviewing your resume..."
>letters generally are some sort of form letter.

   This is true here at Brown.  The personnel department (who insist
upon having all resumes go through them), automatically send out a
postcard, usually before the resumes get channeled to the hiring
department.

> I've never gotten a job with a company that sent me one of those.

   On the other hand, few people who get hired by such a company failed
to get one of those.  Statistics can be fun.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted...
Keywords: ethic's,resumes,John Bonning at BellSouth Advanced Networks
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:31:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <!bqn2qr.aldridge@netcom.com> aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge) writes:
>	Perhaps it would be possible to start an anonymous postings
>system similar to other newsgroups. 

So how are potential employers going to contact you if they don't know
who you are?

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
From: ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Info Needed : AADT, DFW
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:43:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <Btx48C.L8E@fiu.edu> mookherj@serss0.fiu.edu (The Happy Man) writes:
>A friend has got a job offer with American Airlines Decision Technologies in
>the DFW area. Anybody has any idea about the company, working conditions,
>environment and growth prospects.
>
>Please respond to mookherj@fiu.edu
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Jay Mookherje.

The last thing I remember reading in the newspaper about American
Airlines is that they cancelled a large database project.

-- 
Paul Ortega			|  "Does this mean that we have
2015 Cedar Bend Dr., #1105      |   to fight now?" - Selina Kyle
Austin, TX 78758		|_______________________________ 
(512) 832-9197			ortega@cactus.org
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Looking for a JOB
From: bordy@edy.elettra.trieste.it (Luca Giovanetti Sismat Genova)
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:54:37 +0100
Distribution: world

I'm an electronic engineer graduated at Genoa's University in July 92.
My thesis is about parallel processing on transputer machine and was
developed with P. Morasso and R. Zaccaria at dist.unige.it.
I'm 26 and now i'm in the Italian Navy. I'm stay there until next
december.

I'm looking for opportunities in the following fields:

		- Virtual systems
		- Astronomy and spatial systems
		- Robotics
		- Submariner and flying systems
		
You can find me at this email address: bordy@edy.elettra.trieste.it

MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE !!!

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Subject: Re: What does "good phone skills" mean in job ads?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:30:01 GMT

rem@btr.btr.com (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com) writes:

>Lately I've seen several job ads that I might wish to apply for, but
>they list "good phone skills" as a requirement and I don't know that
>exactly that means. I always look in the directory instead of calling
>directory assistance, and when somebody gives me a phone number I write
>it down instead of trying to remember it in my head, and when I get a
>wrong number I try to find out whether I dialed the number wrong
>somehow or actually got the number I intended but it was wrong in the
>first place, and I wait until after 9AM before calling somebody at
>home, and I even know how to put somebody on hold instead of accidently
>hanging up on them. But I have no experience running a PBX or even
>transferring a call from my line to another line on those newfangled
>phone systems, and I have the darndest time trying to understand the
>other voice over a bad connection. Does anybody have a good definition
>of what employers usually mean by "good phone skills" and an
>explanation how I might determine whether I qualify or not?

Good phone skills probably has little to do with using a directory.  What
the prospective employer is trying to ascertain are your communication
skills when using the phone, first of all.  The employer wants to know if
you are a person who communicates well over the phone, with tact, so that
the client on the other end is happy.  If you are to be answering phones,
your good phone skills would involve answering with a good, friendly, and
intelligible voice.  Your good phone skills would involve listening 
carefully to the person on the other end and following the procedure for
transferring the call, taking messages, handling multiple calls quickly 
and tactfully.  Your good phone skills would involve a polite closing to
the call.  

Good phone skills may also indicate, as you've guessed, to the technical
end.  Can you put someone on hold correctly?  Can you transfer the call?
Can you use a PBX?

Or maybe you're being asked to outbound call...


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Info req on overseas employment
Keywords: overseas, middle-east
Organization: XYZ org.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:33:15 GMT

Hi,

Fellow netters, need your wisdom for probably a FAQ,
do spare me if it is. 

I am interesting in knowing the contacts for getting
an year or two overseas contract specially in middle
east. Any feed back on this will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Y.Qamar 
-- 
************
YASIN Q.
************

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Re: Work at Home(not programming)
Organization: Vanderbilt University Computer Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:13:36 GMT

Subject: Work at Home(not programming)
From: cls
In article <1300567297@trsvax> , cls@trsvax.tandy.com writes:
>
>I've read ads in the backs of local papers regarding work at home.
>They say to call a number and they'll give you information on things
>like assembling toys, crafts, and electronics.  I called one that had
>an 800 number and the recording says that if you send them $19.95, 
>they'll send you a list of companies that offer this kind of work.
>They say that the money is not only for printing and mailing costs
>but also for the research and for their verifying that they are
>giving you names of reputable companies.
>
>My question is, surely this info. is available somewhere for free
>and if so, where?  Do any of you know anything about this kind
>of work?

If it really exists, it should be free! Go to your local public library 
and ask a reference librarian.  Also, call your local Chamber of
Commerce.

Beware of such companies as you described above. Before sending 
them any money,  call the Better Business Bureau in your area for 
their advice on how to verify whether the mail list service is itself 
reputable (even though it's an 800-number). I have recently read
of several such "services" selling lists of international employers
that turned out to be scams. Good Luck!

============================================================
Frank C. Sayre
sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: freeman-elisabeth@CS.YALE.EDU (Elisabeth Freeman)
Subject: job info/language & lit skills
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:10:44 GMT

My sister has recently graduated with Masters with Honors in French and 
Russian from the University of Glasgow.  She is interested in finding a 
job in the United States.  I, being a student in computer science, know
nothing about finding a job for interpreters/teachers/liasons with language
skills.  Does anyone have any information?  She has dual British/USA 
citizenship which should make it easier to get a job here.  She is very
willing to travel and has had experience interpreting and working in foreign
countries including France and Russia.

Any info would be great.

Thanks!

Beth Freeman

-- 
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freeman-elisabeth@cs.yale.edu   "The rule is, jam tomorrow, and jam yesterday,
                                 but never jam today"     -- The White Queen
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rdaoud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja B Daoud)
Subject: Is "new Amway" not a pyramid scheme??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:03:48 GMT

I know that the topic "Amway" generated heated debates in the past.
During the last surge, I junked them all, and I am now regretting it as a
friend asked me about Amway and all I remember is that it was a pyramid scheme.
Now my friend says that was the "old Amway" and the "new" one is about
"networking" !!

So I'm turning to the wisdom of the net to fill me in on it.  What's the
difference between the old and the new Amway? Is there a FAQ about this?
I don't want to start another war on the net, so please email me and I'll
summarize if there is interest.  Are you with Amway and happy with it? 
Did you have a bad experience with Amway?  What would you advice somebody
who's thinking of joining Amway?  Thank you for your answers.

Regards,

--Raja

P.S.	If you are interested in a summary of the answers, let me know.
P.P.S.	If you do not want your answer included in the summary, or if you
	want your answer to remain anonymous please let me know.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: magus!jai (Jaisingh  Pawar)
Subject: Re: interview question
Reply-To: jai@bosslogic.com
Organization: Boss Logic Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:56:02 GMT


In article <qHmyqB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM  
(olga from the volga) writes:
> guox@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Xuan-Hui Guo) writes:
> 
> > When I had interviews, people like to ask me if I have any other  
offer.
> > I wonder whether they want to hear I said yes or not. Why do they want  
to
> > know
> > that? how does that contribute to the hiring decision?  Any insight is
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > --
> > XHGuo
> I usually tell them that information is confidential.
> 
> olga@csiatl.gwinnett
> YOW!

Someone asked me this too sometimes in an interview. I think it made a  
better impression if I said that I had an offer (even if I did not have an  
offer), but be a bit tactful about it and say that you would prefer this  
job that the interviewer has because it more challenging, fits your  
objectives, etc, etc .....

--
Jai
_______________________________________________________________________
Jaisingh M. Pawar                       E-mail  : jai@bosslogic.com
System & Network Manager                Phone(H): 408-985-2824
Boss Logic,Inc.                         Phone(W): 415-903-7000
Mountain View, Calif
_______________________________________________________________________
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:24:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors) writes:
: If you think that running your own business and working for yourself rather 
: than "the man," might add ONLY two hours a day: your definitely aren't ready.
: Much credit for knowning your own wishes...that's everything in business,
: as well a life.

Well, I actually threw the "two hour" figure out as a simple comparison:
I'm sure as hell not going to *save* any time for myself by trading in
my commute for a business of my own!

Then again, not all businesses are the same, I'd imagine. (Hey, I mean,
what about all those testimonials for money making schemes and MLMs
which say, "I used to slave for the man every day, now I just sit on
my duff and let the money roll in!  You can, too, just send $149.95 
to..." 8-) 8-) 8-) )

-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo)
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Organization: Honolulu Community College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:21:43 GMT

In article <18ipmsINNm7n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ap096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin P. Dahlhausen) writes:
>
>
>Do companies perform any initial screening before sending out
>the postcards or letters that say "thank you, we are reviewing
>your resume ......."?  (ie can this correspondence be taken as
>a good sign or is it generally just a given company's standard 
>policy to reply to all resumes?)
>
>Thanks.
**************
It depends on the company or for that matter the state in which the
company is in.

For instance in Hawaii, there is no law about companies having to
acknowledge your application.

However in California (according to a friend who lives there) there
is a law saying that companies have to acknowledge you that they
got an application from you.  Sometimes these take the form of
a postcard saying they got it but they would take 2 to 4 weeks to
review it or something like that.


Honolulu Community College            cs_rapozo@hccadb.hcc.hawaii.edu
874 Dillingham Blvd.                  helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu
Honolulu, HI 96817                    rapozo@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Ph#: (808) 845-9202
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pblack@cory.Berkeley.EDU (BLACK  PAUL)
Subject: Re: Purify
Keywords: Pure, Purify, quality
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:58:03 GMT

dgray@sadis01.sa.aflc.af.mil ( SCDR) writes:
>   I have just recently heard about a product called Purify from Pure Software
>The product apparently does a very-high level quality check on C/C++ code.
>Does anyone out there know anything about the product or the company? 

I do work for three different companies which began using Purify within the
last 6 months.  It is great!  VERY easy to install and use.  The price is very
reasonable, too.  In fact, they sent a demo version (only licensed for 2 
weeks).  After a day or two, we were *sold*.  *Every* piece of software should
be run with purify.

Paul Black