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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Press/Academics Blast Suchinda's Appointment (fwd from SEASIA-L)
Keywords: Thai
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:12:28 GMT

    Reuter, Bangkok, Angus MacSwan, April 8 - General Suchinda Kraprayoon's
move from army headquarters to government house amounts to a second coup
which re-establishes the military's dominance of Thai politics.
    The supreme military commander, architect of a coup that overthrew a
democratically-elected government last year, was appointed prime
minister on Tuesday two weeks after elections in which he did not stand.
    "Suchinda's rise to the premiership is blatantly undemocratic," said
The Nation. "The result is tantamount to a theft of the election's
outcome and a subversion of the people's aspirations."
    Analysts and newspaper editorials condemned his appointment as
hypocritical and the result of manipulation by generals.
    The Bangkok Post called his appointment "a political throwback to a
bygone age."
    Many observers saw the Narong nomination as a ploy.
    "He was a sacrificial lamb," said a foreign businessman who added
that the outcome did not dent his enthusiasm for the investment climate
in this rapidly prospering country.
    Suchit Bunbongkarn, Chulalongkorn University's dean of Political
Science, said the appointment meant Thai democracy was not keeping pace
with that economic growth.
    "To promote democracy you must have an elected prime minister. They
should be able to find one more person out of 360 MPs. It indicates the
military still wants an important role in politics," he said.
    Suchinda's resignation from the military to take up the premiership
means other politically ambitious officers will move into top military
posts.
    His brother-in-law, General Issarapong Noonpakdi, takes over as army
chief while air force head Air Chief Marshal Kaset Rojananil becomes
supreme commander.
    Suchinda now finds himself heading a government likely to include a
number of politicans whom the junta had denounced as being at the heart
of previous corruption.
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Thailand's 19th Prime Minister, Suchinda Kraprayoon
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr8.154420.6544
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion

In article <1992Apr8.075421.8@tla.dec.com> 
linitda@tla.dec.com writes:
>Taken partly from The Nation 8-Apr-1992
>
>"This is something we have to consider and talk about with each other. Those
>politicians whose assets were seized have reasoned that the fact that they were
>elected by the people shows they have the people's supprt. 

See!, my pig-goes-chicken-comes analysis was right  regardless of
who gets the PM position. The funny thing now is that GPM Suchinda
(G=General) wants to honor the people's votes. If he had respected
the people's votes so much he would not have overthrown the
people-elected government by barbaric means in the first place.

>     ....................................................They have also
>contended that the orders by the Assets Investigation Committee to seize their
>assets are not final until courts reaffirm them." he said

But GPM, you were the guy that pressed charges against these guys
in the first place, weren't you? So what you are saying is that
you were wrong then but the court (that you'll kick around with
your old combat boots) will be right pretty soon. Why would you
respect the lawful process of the court anyway when you just
abolished the highest law of the land?

And we'll keep our watchful eyes on you, your relatives, your cronies,
to see that how many of them will become unusually rich in the
very near future. Meanwhile, let me charge you with "unusually
powerful".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Asia's AIDS Time Bomb (fwd from SEASIA-L)
Keywords: AIDS, Thailand
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:42:44 GMT


Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seasia-l
Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:36:19 PDT
From:         "Indonesia Publications/Task Force" <apakabar@IGC.ORG>
Subject:      Asia's AIDS Time Bomb
X-To:         seasia-l@msu.edu

    Reuter, Manila, April 11 - The economic impact of AIDS in Asia will
be severe, and a disproportionate burden of the disease will fall on
women in the poor countries of the region, the Asian Development Bank
(ADB) said.
    By 2000, a large commercial sex industry and drug use will spark an
AIDS epidemic in Asia, it said in its 1992 outlook.
    A majority of the 40 mln people expected to be infected with the
disease worldwide will be found in the region, currently the world's
most dynamic economic area, the ADB said.
    "Preventive measures have to be given top priority by governments
sooner rather than later," the ADB said.
    While the epidemic appears to much less serious in other parts of
Asia, the number of people infected with the HIV virus, which causes
AIDS, has now reached up to 400,000 in Thailand and up to one mln in
India, the World Health Organisation has said.
    Rapid population growth, increasing mass migration of labour and a
growing intra-Asian tourist industry will facilitate the spread of the
disease to countries scarcely affected at present.
From: 9202033j@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Chiu-wen Tseng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Music for "Khanamnom"
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:39:25 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University


>Fromm: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
>
>or here this song while you are very far away from Mae.  I really miss
>her (Mae)
>and feel like crying.  May be it's silly.  How about all of you?

How old are you? I miss her but not cry.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: soeaung@wam.umd.edu 
Subject: Mahathir Embraces Schinda [From SEASIA-L]
Originator: soeaung@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Keywords: "No Matter Who Tries To Divide Us, We Will Always Remain United."
Organization: United Students Organization [Myanmar]    
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:28:27 GMT


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Subject:      Mahathir Embraces Suchinda
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    Reuter, Kuala Lumpur, April 13 - Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir
Mohamad on Monday congratulated Thai military chief General Suchinda
Kraprayoon on his appointment as Thailand's prime minister.
    Mahathir expressed confidence that relations between the two
neighbours would reach greater heights.
    Mahathir said he looked forward to working with Suchinda to expand
bilateral ties and promote peace and prosperity in the region.
    Suchinda was controversially appointed prime minister last week
after the original nomination of Narong Wongwan was withdrawn following
allegations by the U.S. State Department that he was linked with drug
trafficking.
    A leading Malaysian newspaper, the pro-government New Straits Times,
last week slammed the United States for "interfering" in the
appointment.

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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Muslims Mass at Thai Border! (fwd from SEASIA-L)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:27:12 GMT

20,000 Muslims Gather on Thai Border

BKO704020792 Bangkok - BANGKOK POST in English 7 Apr 92 p 1

[Text] About 20,000 Burmese Muslims fleeing persecution by Burmese forces
have massed on the Thai-Burmese border, apparently in a desperate bid to win
outside help.

Col Tin Muang That, chairman of the All Burma Muslim Union, a rebel
organisation under the Democratic Alliance of Burma, said yesterday the
plight of Muslims in eastern Burma is as serious as that confronting the
Rohingyas in Arakan State to the west.

Tens of thousands of Muslim Rohingyas have sought sanctuary in Bangladesh
where their plight has gained worldwide attention.

The exodus to Bangladesh has also provoked expressions of concern in some
ASEAN capitals.

Col Tin said the Burmese Muslims, assembled in separate groups in
Karen-controlled areas on the Burma-Thai border, had been deprived of basic
rights and their houses were raided and set ablaze by Burmese soldiers.

He said he was deeply disappointed with the poor response from Muslim
countries, especially Saudi Arabia, towards the suffering of the Muslim
refugees.
From: 9202033j@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Chiu-wen Tseng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai Songs.
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:11:54 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University


Sawassdee Krub,

I'd like to thank Khun Samart Srijumnong very much for the song
 "Khanamnom". Really I love Thai music very much. Since now I am very
far from home, can anybody out there post the songs "KlaiBan" (far from
home) and "BanRao" (our home)? I am missing my home now.

Khob Khun Mag Mag Krub.
From: jimmy@info.com (Jim Gottlieb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai lang. software for Unix?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 01:53:20 -0700
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: network.ucsd.edu

Excuse me if this is a FAQ...

Is there any Thai word processing software that could run on a Sun
workstation?  A professor from Thailand will be visiting soon and has
mentioned that it would be nice if she could have use of a computer for
a writing project she is working on.

Thank you...

Jim Gottlieb
jimmy@info.com
From: panya@sl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Panyarak Ngamsritragul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: AIDS related articles in sci.med.aids
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:11:48 GMT
Organization: Sakai-Kamata Lab., Dept. of Mech. Eng., Univ. of Tokyo, Japan.


For those who are interested in AIDS related articles, should you find
your way the named newsgroup.  Here is a list of AIDS related articles
posted.  I got these articles a few days ago, this means that in some
news servers they may be still in the news spool.  If you could not
get them, drop a mail to me.  I will be happy to forward to you.

  Date            From                              Subject

27 Feb 92 drogers@riacs.edu (David Rogers)  Origin of Aids Article
28 Feb 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Re: Origin of Aids Article
28 Feb 92 bhjelle%vaxine.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) Re: Origin of Aids Article
29 Feb 92 bhjelle%vaxine.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) Re: Origin of Aids Article
4 Mar 92  bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) AIDS ALERT Article
5 Mar 92  bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Update on Origin of Aids
5 Mar 92  SECBH%CUNYVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu  AIDS in Asia
5 Mar 92  bhjelle%vaxine.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) Re: Update on Origin of Aids
6 Mar 92  bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Origins of AIDS Rebuttals
6 Mar 92  bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Article on Origin of AIDS
7 Mar 92  robison1@husc9.harvard.edu (Keith Robison) Re: Origins of AIDS Rebuttals
8 Mar 92  bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Info on Origin of Aids Article
8 Mar 92  jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) Re: Info on Origin of Aids Article
8 Mar 92  mwfolsom%hydra.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Mike Folsom) Re: Update on Origin of Aids
9 Mar 92  entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Re: Info on Origin of Aids Article
9 Mar 92  bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Posts on SF AIDS Info BBS
9 Mar 92  bhjelle%vaxine.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) Re: Info on Origin of Aids Article
10 Mar 92 bhjelle%vaxine.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) Re: Origins of AIDS Rebuttals
11 Mar 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Re: Origins of AIDS Rebuttals
11 Mar 92 jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) Re: Origins of AIDS Rebuttals
12 Mar 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Re: Origins of AIDS Rebuttals
14 Mar 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Lancet Article on Origin of AIDS
25 Mar 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) The Monkey Papers caper
27 Mar 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Money & AIDS
05 Apr 92 h@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) AIDS news, Bay Area Reporter, April 2, 1992
06 Apr 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Houston Post 4/5/92
06 Apr 92 "Robert S. Walker" <RWALKER@TRINITY.EDU> Re: (4812) AIDS news, Bay Area Reporter, April 2, 1992
07 Apr 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Washington Post article 4/5/92
07 Apr 92 hkhenson@cup.portal.com Cryonic suspenson of an AIDS patient
07 Apr 92 bigoldberg@igc.org (Billi Goldberg) Monkey Infections
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: panya@sl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Panyarak Ngamsritragul)
Subject: Re: Happy Thai New Year
Organization: Sakai-Kamata Lab., Dept. of Mech. Eng., Univ. of Tokyo, Japan.
	<1992Apr14.084955.2273@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:53:45 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.084955.2273@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:

  >>shifted to the new "Rasi" and is believed by some Asian peoples including
  >>Thais as the starting day of a new year. In Thailand and other neigboring
  >>countries (e.g. Burma, Laos, or Khmer), the day is celebrated by water

Also for Sri Lanka, and some minority Tai in Yunnan south of China.
This festival seems to have very close relation to Buddhism, but only
for NIGHAI HINNAYAN (don't know how it is called in English 8-( ).
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Science Achievement of Thai Students
Keywords: Thailand, science
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:39:13 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I notice from the article posted by Khun Samart that the United States
ranked 19th (last!) in biology (can we really be the most productive
farmers?), 15th in chemistry and 14th in physics, all out of a sample
of 19 countries.  Certainly these are not ratings to be proud of. :(

John Cronin
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Please Help Prof. Sulak
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:19:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr15.121916.26526
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion - NASA Lewis
Originator: fstawit@marge

SwasdeeKrub:

The 2 appeal letters to H.M. the King and Gen. (now PM) Suchinda
(about the pardon of Prof. Sulak) haven't been sent out yet.
So far, I have collected 9 (electronic) signatures for the first
letter and 6 signatures for the second one.

Hopefully the letters will be mailed out this coming Saturday.
So if anybody wants to sign the letter, please email me your
name and organization. You don't have to be a Thai citizen to
participate. If you haven't read the letter before and would like
to see them, please let me know by email.

Yours in frustration :)

Tawit

---------------------------------------------
Newton's Law of Motion: An object will continue on its course unchanged
unless it is acted upon by external forces.
From: trin@tla.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Narong ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:51:13 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.

In article <1992Apr4.050239.15372@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
> trin@tla.dec.com writes:
> 
>>Result of House Speaker and deputies elections were as expected. Arthit
>>Urairat from STP is not the House Speaker. The two deputies are from the
>                      ^^^
>>Chart Thai Party and Social Action Party.
> 
> Is this a typo? Otherwise, it is not as expected since before this you have
> mentioned that Arthit Urairat was expected to be elected as the House Speaker.

Oops. My apologies. I was rushing to the air port so I didn't re-read what I
wrote. Dr. Arthit was expected to be the House Speaker and he is now the
House Speaker.
From: psuttiyo@metz.une.oz.au (Peerasak Suttiyotin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Ex-MP says he bought votes, will buy again
Keywords: vote-buying
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:31:18 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia
Originator: psuttiyo@metz.une.oz.au

In article <592@grivel.une.oz.au> 
psuttiyo@metz.une.oz.au (Peerasak Suttiyotin) writes:

|>.............................
|>
|>To this point, I always think that why one want to be a PM?   And, of 
                                                          ^^
|>course, to win an election would cost him a lot of money.  Do they
|>get their money back and from where.  Salaries seem to be too little
|>to answer these questions compare to what they spend to win an election.  
|>May be they are rich enough and want only the honor.  I just doubt how 
|>many of them want 'only' honor.  Or may be, as they said, to protect
|>their own business.  Some of the PM, as we know, own big business, and
                                   ^^
|>the government wouldn't touch them even the products have adversely
|>effects to KHUN SEE and KHUN SAA.  Or even may be to hammer opposite
|>companies and they will be monopoly.
|>
|>I still cannot find a good answer for the question why they really want
|>to be PM.  They have to work hard, fight for positions like a ???, spend 
        ^^
|>a lot of money.  What do they get back?
|>

I hate this.  I just sent a message one minute and the next found that
it is wrong.  It should be 'MP' or Member of Parliament not 'PM'.
Please forgive me for my poor English.

Sorry.
From: 9202033j@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Chiu-wen Tseng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai Songs.
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:09:41 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University


Sawassdee Krub,

I'd like to thank Khun Samart Srijumnong very much for the song
 "Khanamnom". Really I love Thai music very much. Since now I am very
far from home, can anybody out there post the songs "KlaiBan" (far from
home) and "BanRao" (our home)? I am missing my home now.

Khob Khun Mag Mag Krub.
From: boonkong@caldera.usc.edu (Arpakorn Boonkongchuen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Music for "Khanamnom"
Date: 11 Apr 1992 13:41:54 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: caldera.usc.edu

> MaeNeeMeeBunKunAanYaiLuang   TiiFawHuangHuangLookThaeLungMueYangNonPhay
			       ^^^ should be Mae

> MaeRowFawO-LaHey            KhomLookNoiNonPhayMaiHangHanHayPaiJonKhai

> MueLekJonTowOhMaeThanom     MaiPaiPomYomKirdJarkRukLookPhagDuangJai
  ^^^ should be Tae	      ^^^ should be Mae

> TerbTowOhLekJonYai          NiiLaeNaaA-raiMiChaiDaiNaaPowKaaNamNom

I just want to correct some minor mistakes(IMHO).   Even though I am not
the original poster, I want to say thank to Khun Samart who spent time
doing this and sharing it with us.

Arpakorn
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: nagamati@caldera.usc.edu (Romklau Nagamati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Narong ?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:18:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: caldera.usc.edu

In article <8dtL0he00awTEOH0tS@andrew.cmu.edu> pp1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pun Panthaworn) writes:
>I don't want to say anything about his personal life ,but I've got a
>little comment about this.
>	How can these rotten swines exist and,moreover, be accepted as in high
>society even though a side-walked dog  behaves better than them?

You got a good point here.... I guess the money and influence they have
buy them everything they want.... Who said money doesn't mean anything?

>	What the U.S. knows about him are the real things.  I've got a source
>in Thailand and here.

...and the U.S. knows about other people too but they won't say at least for
now since there's such thing called "mutual interests"... There're
other factors too.... Think about this....an operation of that size couldn't
possibly be planned and controlled by one man... The question is who else
is involved... and do you want to nail one man or the whole gang?

...and I'm sure that you have heard stories about other people too...

As I said before,  in order to prosecute someone you need the evidence...we
can't just sentence someone just because we know he/she is guilty in our
mind... Everybody is innocent until proven guilty (unless it's a tax charge 
then you're guilty until proven otherwise!) The U.S. law has been extended 
a lot. If they really want, he can be prosecuted here like Noriega's case...
Though I would hate to see that because I simply think that U.S. justice 
system has no juridiction outside the U.S....regardless of what its law said.

Khun Tawit has indicated his concern about our justice system... I'm sure that
if the evidence is widely publicized...everybody will be watching closely
and something "fishy" won't happen... 

>	We have to go back to our country to get rid of them and kick their
>*****.  Do you think so?
 ~~~~~
>
>--
>Pun Panthaworn
><pp1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>

We're back to the issue that has been discussed here umpteen times....
"corruption", isn't it? Sometime things are far more complicated than
they appear...

Think about it as a homework...
Ron Nagamati

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: The U.S. and Thai Premiership: A Remote Greenlight?
Keywords: Thai
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:46:59 GMT


Does anyone feel like me that there is something "fishy" about the attitude
of the U.S. administration concerning the formation of the new Thai government?
It was not quite obvious when the State Department disclosed that Narong was
denied the U.S. visa in 1991. This time, according to the UPI news posted in
the clari.news.gov.international, the State Department told the reporters that
Suchinda has never been denied the U.S. visa. In his own words, the State 
Department spokesperson reportedly said...

	``I don't know if (Gen. Suchinda Kraprayoon) has ever applied for a
visa, but he's never been denied a visa,'' 
					(from "New Thai prime minister
					nominee never denied U.S. visa," 
					posted in clari.news.gov.international, 
					April 6, 1992)

The message is clear: "This is the person we approve." 

One may have noticed a flaw in this logic. The spokesman said he did not know
if Suchinda has ever applied for a visa, but he knew "he [Suchinda] has never 
been denied a visa." Probably, the spokesman has not yet gone through the
file of those who have applied for the visa. How could he be so sure that
Suchinda has never been denies a visa? Maybe he has already looked up in
the file of those "who have been denied the U.S. visa" and found that 
Suchinda is not listed in it. Isn't it a standard procedure that the 
official would mark on the application of their decision (to grant or 
deny the visa)?

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