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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Flying on my own...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:01:37 GMT

pete says:

>I've been wanting to post this for a while, but time is short.  I'll
>do a short posting, anyway.

>In two weeks I'll finish my maintenance program with HMR.  I'll have been
>off the fast for 18 months (where I lost 185 pounds), and have held my
>target weight (+-5 pounds) for a year (those 15 pounds were a lot
>harder to lose than the others).  I signed up for the standard maintenance
>program, and "graduate" November 19th.  I elected not to rejoin,
>partly for the cost ($250/3 months), partly because I've learned a
>lot, and partly because I want to see how I do on my own.

[   ]

>I'll be staying on the net and in the group, to give/get encouragement
>from you.

>Wish me luck.

>Pete Brooks

best of luck to you, pete...i am SURE you will do okay.  absolutely
stay with us, we would miss you if you went away...and:




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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
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                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:16:44 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:54:02 GMT

In article <63620079@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> Laurie Roberts,
robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com writes:
>I'm curious if anyone out there has read Geneen Roth's book "When Food  
      
>Is Love"?  This book really touched me.  It's about breaking free from 
>compulsive eating by amoung other things, listening to your body and
eating
>whatever you want until you are satisfied.  The hard part is knowing if
you
>are satisfied.  She was recently on "Oprah" and discussed how she had
lost
>and gained over 1000 lbs over her lifetime, had been on a diet since
about 12
>(I can relate), and had starved herself to get down to 80 something lbs,
only
>to gain back another 80 in something like 2 months.  Finally, she said
to h*ll
>with this, and decided to eat whatever she wanted.  At first she gained
>weight, but then she felt so free - she had let go of the diet thing -
that 
>she started losing weight, and today is a very slender woman.  She runs 
  
>workshops on this very thing.  Anyways, she made a point on Oprah that
really
>got me... she said very few of us (compulsive eaters) enjoy eating
because we
>feel so guilty, and we use food to stuff our feelings down instead of
feeling
>our pain.  Once we stop eating compulsively, we will feel a lot of our
pain, 
>but what's wrong with that?  If we feel it, we can release it, instead
of 
>stuffing it down with food.  I think it made a lot of sense.
>
>She suggested that we really enjoy eating
>Eat in a calm place without distractions
>Eat anything you want      
>Eat until satisfied
>
>Any comments?
>
>-Laurie
>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:26:42 GMT

In <1992Nov20.165558.17452@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>But...Roth is not targeting people who overeat simply because they like
>food.  That's the whole point.  Some people are fat because they like food,
>some because of their genes, and some people because they have gotten
>their emotional state intricately entwined with their eating.

>Surely you wouldn't consider an anorectic someone who just likes to eat
>less?  Or a bulemic just someone who likes to eat and throw up?  The answer
>is "yes, there are real cultural reasons why eating disorders escape men."
>Unfortunately, up until now, compulsive overeating looked too much like
>gluttony for many people to consider it a "real" disorder.  Apparently it
>is just now being considered for DMSR-III.

>Clearly Steve and Gordon are not "compulsive" overeaters.  But I am.  I
>am not convinced that "eating until satisfied" is an answer for compulsive
>overeaters.  But confronting issues of emotions and food definitely is.

right on, beth!  to quote "the motherfolkers" (a great all women folk
band) "chocolate is love"...when i am depressed, i eat.  when i am
around "family" i eat...if i have had a rough day i go to mcdonalds
for a cheeseburger and fries...a large bag of salty chips and a trashy
novel will make me feel better (temporarily)...

i am finally learning how to deal with this...well, not really, but my
body chemistry is getting weird...too much sugar makes me dizzy...and
now when i eat chocolate (for stress or for fun) i get ill...

working on the reasons behind fat is as important as working on the
fat itself, IMHO...

barb
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:00:37 GMT

I'm glad you brought up pie crust.  I like crusts on my pie-like items
but the fat content on crust is outrageous.  Even graham cracker crusts
are loaded with fat.  Has anyone successfully come up with a nice crust
that isn't fatful?

I was toying with the idea of turning an angel food cake into bread
crumbs and patting it into a pie-tin and baking it.  Or maybe using
graham crackers with NF-mayo.  

A pumpkin pie recipe I saw in Prevention used a combination of graham
crackers, ginger snaps and a little bit of margarine (I think 3 T. -- not
really a little bit).

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:13:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Nov.17.11.42.02.1992.9354@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>I read that book.  Thats where I read that swimming doesn't burn fat.
>Has he changed his mind on that?  The book I read was a 1978 edition.

I haven't read that, but it sure sounds like hooey.  There's about a
20-pound difference (most of it in fat around his middle) in my boyfriend
between his swimming and non-swimming periods.  His eating doesn't change;
it's definitely the aerobic exercise (which, I understand, swimming is). 
Doesn't one's heart and lungs work just as hard when swimming as when
walking, jogging, or whatever?  And isn't that what burns up the calories
and thus the fat?  



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: agnes@pmafire.inel.gov (Agnes Gentillon)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:17:53 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Yogurt Smoothie Discovered
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You can also use 3/4 cup of buttermilk instead of the yogurt.  My
grandmother used to do this years ago.
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:50:29 GMT
Organization: UTCS Campus Access

In article <1992Nov19.222828.24636@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
# In article <17526@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
# > robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts) writes:
# >>She suggested that we really enjoy eating
# >>Eat in a calm place without distractions
# >>Eat anything you want      
# >>Eat until satisfied
# 
# >That's exactly what I did for the first 25 years of my life.
# >At the end of that time I weighed 335 lbs and was gaining at
# >the rate of 1 pound per month.  Just how long was I supposed
# >to continue trying this method?
# 
# Laurie missed a key piece.  We are supposed to eat for hunger reasons
# only.  No more stuffing our face because food is there or because we're
# anxious or sad or happy. 

Yes, in another book, Roth briefly mentions that you have to listen to
a tiny, timid, inner voice that says "I think you can stop eating
now".  She says that you have to learn to hear and recognize this
voice, because it is very hard to hear.  It usually always occurs
before you finish eating what's on your plate, so you have to learn to
leave food, unfinished, on the plate.  I've begun to hear the voice,
but it's hard to listen to it, especially when I tell myself "look,
I've gotta eat this portion, I've measured it out, it's within the
daily allowance!".  Strangely enough, I usally don't *have* to clean my
plate to appease my hunger.  I guess it's another way of looking at
food and eating.

Can't we neutralize our tastebuds or something?  Eating food shouldn't
be such a pleasure.  Someone screwed up engineering that part of our design.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,alt.support.big-folks,misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Health Factors
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:31:11 GMT

BTW, before I started the fast, my score was +20 (close to average for
women).  I brought my score down to -3 not by losing weight, or even by
big changes in things like cholesterol (my ratio of total chol/HDLs)
was low even before I fasted), but by making lifestyle changes in the
areas of physical activity, % dietary fat, and servings of fruits and 
vegetables/week.  Those three factors alone accounted for 22 of the 23 point
change above.
 
Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Flying on my own...
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:24:49 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <63620071@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:

>I'll be staying on the net and in the group, to give/get encouragement
>from you.
>
>Wish me luck.
>
>Pete Brooks
>

Congratulations and Good Luck, Pete! ! !  You sound so motivated
and so encouraging in your posts.  I think you're going to make it :-)

Judy Frawley
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holiday dieting
Keywords: diet holidays socials
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:49:48 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <grenus.722024304@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> grenus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Karen M Grenus) writes:
>How are people handling the holidays? So far I have a potluck and two 
>Thanksgiving dinners to go to. I've been on NutriSystem for 4 weeks and
>have lost 10 pounds, but I'm afraid of gaining it back.
>	Should I just eat very little the day of the party and work out like mad that week? I don't want to offend the people that invited me to dinner by not
>eating or by whipping out my own freeze dried entree.
>
I've been on diets at this time and you can do it, but it takes will
power.  You don't need any frozen entree.  First, tell the hostess
that you are on a diet, but would still like to come.  Most of the
time, the hostess will have munchies like celery and carrots 
if you let them know something like this.  You can just eat some
white meat turkey, potatoes without gravy, and vegetables, and that
won't be too much.  They won't really mind if you skip the pie.
The big problem for me is being in the presence of all that food
without eating it myself.  If you do slip, you might cut your diet
down to half for a couple of days following and probably can make up
for it.  The big thing to avoid are munchies like nuts and desserts.



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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Subject: I want a Nordic Track!!!!!
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:45:51 GMT

That's All - I just want one.  Whine whine whine.

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Sunday NY Time article
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:34:52 EST

Did anyone see the article in the Sunday Times about discrimination
against the obese?  It was pretty interesting but what bothered 
me was that they kept citing scientists who said that they are
finding that obesity is something people can't control (and that
if the public could understand this there might not be so much
discrimination, etc.).  I think that maybe the real idea is that
in order to control obesity it takes much more discipline than
most people have to demonstrate in their lives, in fact for some
it might take an impossible amount.  

I don't know...my thoughts aren't really well formed on this.  I'd
type the article in but its quite long.  Perhaps I can type in
some excerpts...  Did any one else read it?

Margot

--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: holiday dieting
Keywords: diet holidays socials
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:43:34 GMT

In article <grenus.722024304@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> grenus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Karen M Grenus) writes:
>How are people handling the holidays? So far I have a potluck and two 
>Thanksgiving dinners to go to

My plan for the holidays:

1. I never skip a meal to "save calories" for a bigger meal! If I go
hungry, all bets are off for me! I can't seem to control my behavior
when starving! I eat lite at lunch and try to fill up on the vegetable
dishes at dinner. I eat a lot of salad if possible to fill up on
veggies...

2.I have  the Thanksgiving and Christmas meals at my house
*or* bring several dishes of my own to parties. Then I can control 
the number of fat grams that are in the overall meal or a 
significant portion there-of.

3. I experiment with low and non-fat foods in the weeks before a big
dinner ( as I am doing now with Thanksgiving). I cut all extraeneous
fat from recipes, try many veggie dishes *and* make sure it works
*before* the critical meal!

4. If you have a sweet tooth( and I DO!!!), try some of the fabulous
weight watcher desserts or the Entenman's ones. Promise yourself one
when you get home *OR* have a dessert with *LUNCH* earlier. Both are
awesome, not as damaging as typical holiday faire *and* you won't feel
as deprived!

Last year I gained ten pounds due to the "Christmas Week Sweet Tables"
at my company. The president of the company had every department fill
a table in their area with desserts every day of the week on the week
before Christmas. Needless to say, I could NOT keep my hands off of
the goodies!

This year I will not go hungry at all! I plan on eating three solid,
balanced meals and at least one weight watcher's dessert every day! I
figure that if I don't feel deprived I can resist those sugary treats
as they call my name!!!!

Best wishes and Happy Holidays to ALL!!!!





. I've been on NutriSystem for 4 weeks and
>have lost 10 pounds, but I'm afraid of gaining it back.
>	Should I just eat very little the day of the party and work out like mad that week? I don't want to offend the people that invited me to dinner by not
>eating or by whipping out my own freeze dried entree.
>
>Karen Grenus


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: body image
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:58:41 GMT

In article <BxtKAL.6C6@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>
>For some odd reason we can seem to edit our image in mirrors.

Isn't this funny?  And, unfortunately, so true.  I've thought that a 
weight loss program that incorporated video would probably be either
very successful at motivating people, or it would go out of business
because too many people wouldn't be able to handle the reality.

What's even funnier is that it works both ways.  We don't see ourselves
as fat as we are, but when we lose the weight, we don't really see ourselves
as thin as we are.  As I was losing my weight, people kept telling me "you
must be so amazed..." and I kept telling them "the truth is, I don't see
it when I look in the mirror."  That's why I think video would be helpful
for people to adopt a new body image that more closely resembles where 
they really are.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:30:00 EST
From: <MKLAP@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Low protein diet...HELP!

My husband was just diagnosed with a kidney disease and has been put
on a special diet.  This diet allows for 40 grams of protein per day.
75% of these grams are to come from foods such as milk, eggs and
meat.The problem is that because protein is found in almost everything
you eat he isn't consuming enough calories to keep his weight up.
He is used to consuming 2,000 calories a day.

Anyway, I'm interested in getting in touch with some people who can
help us to identify some foods that are filling but don't have any
protein.  Things like bread and noodles have protein we have
discovered.  Is there some kind of drink supplement that is high
in calories/carbohydrates, but does not contain protein?  Any
ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,alt.support.big-folks,misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Health Factors
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:21:03 GMT

Here's the "Risk Factor Profile" I completed while I was on the fast.
As is often claimed, obesity does not necessarily translate to "unhealthy"--in 
fact, when I finished my fast, my total score was -3 (where a plus score 
indicates a greater risk of heart disease and cancer and a negative indicates 
less risk) even though I received +12 points for still being well over my 
ideal weight (I was around 180 at the time).

According to this, average score for men is +25 and for women is +22. And yes,
the implication is that our current lifestyles imply a greater risk for
heart disease and cancer than could be otherwise predicted.

Below I have listed all the risk factors on the chart, the desired rate,
the average for women, and the average for men.  Other factors that don't
appear below include the family health history and other factors
affecting your personal health.

				Average		Average
Factor		Goal		Woman		Man

Tot Chol/HDL	4-4.5		4-4.4		4-4.5
Triglycerides	100-149		60-99		100-149
Systolic BP	<120		120-139		120-139
Diastolic BP	70-79		80-89		80-89
% over ideal
 body weight	5		25		20
VO2 Max		"good"		"fair"		"fair"
calories/week	
 of activity	1500 (men)	350		450
		1125 (women)
cigs/day	0		<10		<10
alcohol/week	6-10		6-10		11-20
% dietary fat	<30		41-50		41-50
3 servings of
 fruits&vegs	6 days/week	1-3		1-3
anger/stress	sometimes	sometimes	sometimes
seatbelts	almost always	sometimes	sometimes

Keep in mind that this loses a bit in the translation (i.e., you don't
see the overall range--for example, you get -4 points if you've never
smoked, and +10 for 3 packs a day).

However, the "average" man or woman listed above has a greater risk of
heart disease or cancer, hence their "goal" recommendations. 

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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Subject: Factors affecting health
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From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Grieving for Chocolate
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:30:15 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Also potato chips

I know what you are talking about when you say you do not get the
enjoyment out of eating Doritos anymore. I stopped eating potato chips,
doritos and fritos when I started my diet years ago. Since then I no
longer have a taste for them and generally do not eat them at all. When I
go to someones house that is serving chips I generally try ONE and wonder
how I used to be able to eat these things cause I simply don't like them
anymore. The only type of chips I eat anymore are low salt, low fat
tortilla chips. All others are to salty and greasy for my taste anymore.

Diane