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From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: China/US trade war?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:07:21 GMT

In article <2B047007.6053@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>1. The US should fight more with Germany and Japan instead of China 
>   economically.  But it seems that the Americans keep buying many
>   Japanese cars.  
>
>2. It is impossible for the current Chinese government to admit that
>   they are practising the capitalism ways--they will do it, but they
>   will never admit it.  So, the US will keep fighting with China politically,
>   thru some economical tricks.
>
>3. China is different from those islands such as Japan, Taiwan, Hongkong.
>   China's economy needs import/export things, but it does NOT depend
>   on any specific foreign market.
>
>4. China is a big country, and its stabality is part of the world 
>   stabability.  If some countries decide to screw China, some other countries
>   will cooperate/support China.  (History proves this, too.)  I do not think
>   that Clinton will initiate another cold war or hot war, if he is logical.
>   However, I have to use "who knows" to describe Clinton.  I got a feel
>   that he might treat the modern communism in the same way as JFK treated
>   the traditional communism in 1960s.  Both JFK and Clinton became 
>   presidents when they were young, and young politicians are always like
>   "xin1guan1 shang4ren4 3 ba3huo3", and like to tell the world "look,
>   I can handle this world well".
>
>5. Hongkong will be dead if a trade war happens between China and US.  The
>   German people do not buy HongKongnese's shit, the Japanese people prefers
>   to deal with China directly.  
>
>shannon
>-------

This article is much more reasonable than your other articles.


J Su

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 09:42:10 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Nov18.043138.3802@jho.com> John Ho, john@jho.com writes:
>kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>
>>On the other hand, many people gave up more just to come to american. In the
>>early day, a lot of taiwanese college girls will marry black american 
>>soilders (no racial discrimination or what so ever intended here) in order to 
>>come to american. Nowday, there are still many asian woman will marry old
>>american men for the same favor. It is sad but it is also reality.
>
>That reminds me of those mail-order bride ads on some newspapers.  I
>am so mad everytime I see those ads.  It is a major shame to all Asians. 

It is pretty pathetic for those who "order" brides from them, too.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:24:05 GMT

In article <102663@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>I suggest a compromise between concerned UCMFN and CMFN'ers:
>
>1) Push China to release more 6-4 related prisoners; IFCSS should send
>a few GaoGans to China for this purpose, not for propoganda only.
>
>2) GaoGan JH Li told us, there will be a CMFN bill, no matter we CSS
>take what stands. I doubt this, but let us accept this as a compromise:
>No Chinese should push for a CMFN bill this year without knowing what
>will be the final version. And we all stop debating.
>
>3) If nonetheless, a CMFN bill is proposed, we all support IFCSS to
>lobby for making the conditions "well measured" as defined above.

I think Lix's suggestion make sense. I think both blindly pushing
CMFN and blindly defending the UCMFN will cause China lossing MFN
eventually.

We still upholding human right and insist that 6/4 Massacre was
wrong and should be corrected. We can show our sinceriry toward
the goals of both human right and fair trading status. If we the
people have tried our best while there is still no positive response
from the government, history will blame them.
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:51:57 GMT

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From: jchang@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: test from china
Date: 17 Nov 1992 10:11:19 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	Deng xiao ping Jr ?      Is this  a joke ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liu@psych.toronto.edu (Chang Hong Liu)
Subject: Re: Culture and Grave
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:40:55 GMT

In article <9210167219.AA72195@ccmail.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:
>
>          Why are chinese poor and what is wrong with the chinese
>          culture?
>
	It would be simple minded to blame *any* culture. Further, never
seek correlations between the type culture and econmy. The enterprise
would start in a wrong place. The empirical evidents have shown so clearly
that there are great varieties of cultures among those rich countries.
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Spend next April 1 in advance
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:59:33 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw203


>Article 21003 in soc.culture.china:
>From: DXP_ZLH_CCP@Central.china. (Deng Xiaoping, Jr.)
>Subject: test from china
>Date: 16 Nov 92 20:01:22 GMT
>Organization: Chinese Politobeuro
>Lines: 2
>
>HI there, IS the destination of this message America ?
>If so, congratulate me please.  dxp Jr.

   %finger DXP_ZLH_CCP@Central.china

    ( wait for 2 hrs 35 min  33 sec ) 
    [central.china.cn]
    Login name: DXP_ZLH_CCP           In real life: Rong Deng
    Directory: /homedir/usr/37219981  Shell: /bin/csh
    Last login Thu Nov 19 16:41 GMT on ttyp4 from znh01
    No unread mail
    Plan:
    Phone: 
    Office: (861) 2714339           Home: (861) 3636180
    Room 7749                       [Confidential]
    No. 2 Building
    National Sci&Tech Committee
    Capitalist Road, Beijing 103721
    China
From: wwxiong@topper.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:53:42 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topper.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: My view on the Korean wars is that the four parties that involved in


the conflict were all losers as far as politic is concerned. For China because
of the war she was isolated from the west for 30 years. Mao's "two cards" policy
failed. For the U.S. , she put herself into a place that she didn't want to be in.
That is the full scale cold war between the west a communist. Turman increased the
military spending sky high after the war. For the Koreans, I don't have to say
anything.
 
From pure Military point the over all result was a draw. Neither side was able 
to push beyound the 38 line.
 
As far as life loses, we may say U.S. won. 
China suffered 330,000 death compare to U.S 50,000.
Yet, S-Korean and other UN troops suffered 270,000 death.
I never did find out the N-Korean's loses.

It was a victory for China because it was the first war that they fought in 100
years which China did not lost. And signed a treaty with honor. China showed it to
the world that she can fight with any country in the world, even the strongest.

It was a lost for the U.S. Since they had just won the WW2, and never in her
military history did they not win. Also they were beaten so bad when China first
enter the war that MacAther was fired. It was a embraencement for the U.S.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:08:23 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: please let Zhou Enlai rest peacefully
 <1992Nov18.223106.8264@eng.ufl.edu>

I guess those will be resting quietly
after Li Peng out of office.

X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:58:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.083756.19372@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:
>Copyright 1992 The New York Times
>November 18, 1992  Late Edition  A1 and A11
>China Threatens Hong Kong Treaty by Nicholas D. Kristof
> 
>>         Beijing,  Nov.  17  -- China  has sharply  escalated  its
>> dispute with the British and Hong Kong authorities by threatening
>> to  scrap  the 1984 agreement that promised Hong  Kong  continued
>> political  and  economic  freedom for 50 years after  the  colony
>> returns to Chinese control in 1997.
>>
>>         The  threat  was  made on Monday night  by  Deputy  Prime
>> Minister  Zhu Rongji,  who was in London for talks  with  British
>> officials.
> 
>In Black Society, they always want new joiners to prove their
>toughness and demonstrate their "loyalty" by going out and murder
>someone in a particularly grisly manner.  Now they want
>soft-and-liberal ZRJ to demonstrate his "loyalty" to CCP's heinous
>cause by performing this hatchet job.
> 
>Even back in 1983, during the PRC-U.K. negotiation on HK's future,
>people were quoting this Bible metaphor:
> 
>Two women both claim a baby belongs to them, and the case went to
>King Solomon.  The King took out a sword, and proceeded to cut the
>baby in two, so that each woman can have 1/2.  One of the women
>cried: "stop".  The King said, "you must be the true mother, you
>care about the baby's well-being."
> 
>Sorry, the foreigner U.K. cares about our well-being (to some extent),
>whereas the gangster group that now controls our motherland does
>not.  It would rather let HK go down the drain than let it have
>more democracy.
> 
>Of course, more proof is really not needed, that gangster group
>perpetrated 6.4, right in its own capital.
> 
>Wing

I fully sympathasize with what the HK people feel. But to mainly blame
CCP, in my opinion, is showing that you have right played into the
British hands. The real reason behind this disputes is to get a bigger
share of the HK's dollars. The British uses this universally popular
word "Democritization" as a main bargaining chip. I also want to see
more democracy. What is odd is the timing of the British intentions
to democritize KH. Why do they pop this thing up only after the new
airport talks break down? What have they been doing in the past 100
years? And more recently, when they are discussing the turnover of
HK with CCP? You have to question the true reason of the British.
They want to get as much money out of HK and create as much debt
for the future HK government as possible. So don't be tricked by
the smiling British. They could be worse-meaning than the grim-looking
CCP. Because it's in CCP 's interest not to mess up HK's financies.
After all, the British are leaving and its the CCP that inherits 
whatever the British might leave behind.
Simply put, its money that is the true reason.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30805 talk.politics.china:2801
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:44:33 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Call for signature:A letter to Deng Xiaoping

 >Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 18:30:26 CST
 >From: Dong Li 312-996-0509 <U53077@uicvm.uic.edu>
 >Subject: Call for signature:A letter to Deng Xiaoping
 >
 > (deleted)
 >The content in this letter is the petition for the cancellation of
 >the requirement that the freshmen in several universities in China,
 >such as Peking Univ. and Fudan Univ., have to have one-year millitary
 >training.

              How long would you propose?
              Two years or more?

              It's not bad to be a little LiGuang.
              If there had been so many little Li in TAM,
              martial law would not have been imposed by Li Peng.

              They may learn something useful.
              Let them tell you if they want or not.


 >
 >If you have any further question, please contact
 >     Yang XU  (yx11@midway.uchicago.edu)
 >
 >Please do not send your Qs to me.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The capital city is to be changed
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:29:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Nov18.155324.3478@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>  writes:
>In article <101548@bu.edu>, pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>
>> 	The best way to rather uniformly develop China is 
>> 	to change the capital city once in 5 years.
>
The above idea does not work, the capital can not be changed!
However, to develop the nation uniformly the US has provided some experience.
1. The football gaime taking place in different cities each year, so the
   city hosts the game is pushed to built the facility, hotel,.....
   Taiwan has done this way, a provincial Olympic Game taking place in 
   different cities each year. The city is allowed to get extra budget
   to built facilities to meet the game requirement.
   This can be done in China. Don't make everything in Beijing. Make 
   something happen in Shanghai, Xian, Dihua, Chongqing, Guangchow,
   Shengyang, Loyang, Nanjing, Changsa, Wuhan,....., so that all cities
   have even chance to attract visitors and have chance to keep up.

2. The conventional taking place in different cities each time, the party
   has to support the city to built the facilities to meet the needs of
   party convention.
   This can be done in China.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:20:40 GMT

In article <BxtH7E.Bp4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <Bxq469.FKy@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>
>>>People become arrogant, lazy, even evilsome when they have nothing to worry.
>>
>>Then, CFMN can make those lazy people work harder?

This sentence tells the true purpose of pushing CMFN by those
d-fighters.  They feel people in China do not pay much attention to them
and thus they want to use CMFN to force people to become their political
tools. 

>
>Yes, I think so. I think the original intention of the CMFN and
>those who promote it is not to terminate trade with China. Instead
>it is just a positive gesture and human compassion to the Chinese 
>people. The statement is the following: if you want to make money 
>for your children, fine, treat people in your country nicely. 
>

It is impossible to know exactlt the original intention of those peopl
who promote CMFN.  It should be pointed out that CMFN makes people's
living conditions in China worse.  

J Su
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Chinese didn't rush to this land to build newhouses? :-)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.170105.27701@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>In article <zzuo.721697403@vincent2.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>
>>      BEIJING (AP) -- For the third time in a year, China has
>>   asserted that Chinese landed in the Americas long before Europeans
>>   did.
>>      The official Xinhua News Agency said Tuesday that the Chinese
>>   monk Faxian landed near present-day Los Angeles in 412. It cited
>>   Lian Yunshan, a member of the China-Pacific Historical Society.
>>      Faxian, the first Chinese to travel to India and Sri Lanka to
>>   seek Buddhist teachings, blew off course after leaving Sri Lanka
>>   and landed in a kingdom called Yepoti.
>>      Lian said Yepoti was America's west coast. Many Western
>>   historians say it is today's Java island.
>>      Another recent Chinese claim argued that Native Alaskans paid
>>   tribute to China's Tang dynasty in 640; another said the English
>>   word "Indian" comes from the name of a Chinese dynasty called
>>   "Yin."
>>
>
>Why are they still doing this? Trying to spice up the Letterman
>show? Are they going to appeal the claim that Marco Polo(sp?) stole the
>recipe of pizza from China all the way up to the federation of stars?
>
>If they could convince the rest of the world to pay China 10% of what
>it spends on gunpowder....
>
>Fan

That's important to Chinese, so that they can make another excuse if they
want to take over America. They can say that's because the historical reason
that Chinese has indeed first arrived at this place.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge)
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:39:05 GMT


<Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
<a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
<If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
                      **********
<Gang Wang


	Who care ?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30719 soc.culture.taiwan:15429
From: chang@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Fengteng Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:25:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Nov16.101806.29932@athena.mit.edu> joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.044910.15500@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>The same case applies to the term "Mountain People" in Taiwan to describe
>>aborigines.  The aborigines dislike that epithet; 
>What term do the aborigines in Taiwan prefer to call themselves?
>Just curious.....

They prefer "Yuan2-Ju4-Min2". In the national assembly, all the aboriginal
assemblymen want to amend the name for the aboriginal in constitution.
It was turned down by KMT.


Fengteng
From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:34:22 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.22.8

lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>In article <gaojeng.722080219@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>>"The corruption, incompetence and ineptitude of politicians is often a
>>legitimate cause of deep, firm and entirely justified moral judgements and
>>forebodings... Politicians can be clowns as well as crooks or both at once.
>>Some of them may even arise to the level of statesmanship and then we
>>praise, admire and forgive them."
>>
>>-D. McCallum, in "The Pieces of Politics", Macmillan.
>> 

>A little surprised, but glad to see such evaluation from a young revolutionary
>to a veteran revolutionary.

How do you know D. McCallum is "a young revolutionary"? :-) One sure thing
is McCallum is not referring to ZNL. :-)

>A lesson to all from the tragedy of Zhou may be an old saying:

>Sang Zei Chuan Young Yi Xia Zei Chuan Nan (easy to get on board a gangster's boat,
>                                            but difficult to get off)

>The reason, as CCP GaoGan Mr. Yuan Geng told HK reporters,

>Ren Zai Jiang Hu, Sheng Bu you Ji (after getting on board, none is controlled
>                                              by him/herself)

>By chance, according to Madam Jiang Song MeiLin, Deng YinChao told her almost
>exactly the same in ChongQin.
>-- 
>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent

What kind of boat is this then? :-) :-)

>organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
>are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
>Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.


Gao Jie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu)
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:02:49 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <19NOV199213025924@jane.uh.edu> mece1us@jane.uh.edu writes:
>I had very good discussion with a chinese gay ( short term as C) and a French 
>gay (as F below) about world economics and especially about cars. C thought that
>Japanese cars are the best, by looking at quality and price, and also from that
>most classmates bought Japanese car. And F responsed him by asking him to list
>ten best cars in the world. Will someone give me a clear idea what the ten
>best cars are in the world, what is your reason?
>Thanks.

 It depends on the definition of best.
 If you are looking for the most economic one, Yugo is the best, $3000 US
 for a brand new car in the US(I heard of that the dealers stopped selling
 them for safety reason ... but my next door neighbour is still driving one).  
 If you are looking for the most costly one, Farari(spelling may not be 
 correct) is the one $300,000 US for a brand new one(or more), which is
 the most powerful sports car(... some drivers are living in Beverly Hill ).
 
 To the ten best cars in the world is not that easy to list, for myself I think
 the Chinese made Red Flag may deserve some high ranking, while the rest of
 the world hardly hear of it. The consumer's guide rank cars from time to
 time, the rankings also change from time to time.
 
 Hope this answer part of your question.

 G.C.Hsu
 
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