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From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:29:09 GMT

In article <9223618.1419@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>The subject line says it all...
>
>all you f***ing d*ckhead, 

True.  I have one of those.

>selfish, 

Maybe.

>dishonest, 

I try not to be.

>friend-betraying

Definitely not.

>Koreans...

Well, I am one of them, but this is just MY opinion.  

>I'll never ever buy ANY Korean product from now on.... whether
>it's car or noodles or cheap pirate/rip-off Taiwan-designed
>computers... and I'll encourage all my friends to do so.

Chill, dude.  I am very sorry about the way how the situation has
developed.  I am pretty sure, though, between the countries, "friendship"
is really a relationship based on mutual interest.  This does not mean, us
Koreans, dickheads or something else (Do you realize your remarks are
sexists?),  fully approve the way the politicians handles the situation nor
any individual's feeling toward ROC or PRC would change.  

Hopefully, we can still work something out.

Andrew Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: danj1@ihspa.att.com (~{;}5$Da~})
Subject: "Ping1Ying1" --> "Pin1Yin1"
Organization: AT&T-BL, Naperville IL, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:06:50 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Aug 92 17:59:32 GMT, ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law,
>>>>> Geology Department) said:

Eric> In article <9208181834.AA18082@abacus.hut.fi>, pan@abacus.hut.fi
Eric> (Huachen Pan) writes:
> 2. Why so many non-mainlanders have mastered the mainland Ping1Ying1 ?

Eric> 	** Because it's use is quite natural.
Eric> 	   Nevertheless, I think there is about 10% difference 	 in
Eric> using Ping Ying between mainlanders and non-mainlanders.

You guys, it's "Pin1Yin1" (when written in pinyin), for heaven's sakes.

(yes, of course in many areas' local Mandarin speech both of these
sound the same... but I just hope we can at least use the (pinyin)
"dictionary" (or computer input keyboard table) spelling when talking
about the name Pin1Yin1 itself...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Translated Taiwanese Poem (4)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:08:49 GMT



	Downfall of the Tales	written by Liu2, Jeng4-Jon1
				translated by Kuo-Yeang Tsai

1. Jumping off from a building

Taking off by running from fourty meters apart
like a fierce falling bomb
and clashing with the earth front to front
The force may not be tremendous, however
the earth is bound to feel the pain more or less


2. Hanging

Wanting not to set foot on the soil any more
hanging high the immaculate legs
writing the protest on the tongue
and sticking it out to be seen by the world


3. Hynotics

Even dream can be cheaply purchased these years
The concrete and pure white appearnce contains
some sort of immortal composure
It needs not rely on the night, nor
worry about sunshine


4. Pesticide

Only this kind of liquid fire
can cleanse my internal obstinate dirt
and let the deeply buried emotions
blossom ardently on the face


5. Cliff

How rugged and apathetic this face is
and constantly staring at the empty sky
Yet I am only a teardrop, a teardrop
none can hold it
up there


6. Gas

After being weary of the vulgar oxygen
I need this kind of fresh smell
According to hearsay I can obtain the whitest face
choose the most beautilful posture
and sleep peacefully surrounded by the atmoshpere of heavy aroma


7. Cutting vein on the wrist

Let the things amply harbored in heart
go out from this point
in an animated rhythm
That colorful melancholy
can no longer be injected into the innocent hand


8. Lying on rails

A scene of overwhelming grandeur
and shocking tenderness
It can be substantially felt that
a humongous shade
is rapidly dashing in and
coming over
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
Subject: No Taiwanese?!
Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:05:11 GMT

   In Aug.11, KMT female Legislator, Chow1-Chuan2, said,
   "Those KMTs who speak Taiwanese are bastard. (Bai4-Lei4)"
   Oh, I feel so sorry for the hundred thousands of KMTs, who
   speak Taiwanese as their mother language.

--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
- Yishao Lai                  -
= u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw =
-       :o      wow           -
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Can we not all get along?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:05:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <77829@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.011837.17650@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>>Barriers within Taiwan and surrounding Taiwan are not similar to begin
>>with.  
>
>How are they dissimilar?
>
>>I really don't know this Mr. Tang, sorry.

I thought at least you would tell me how they are similar, but at least
you come up with the question.  Taiwan is a society with her own
embedded state (Deja vu?) and the barrier within the society is that
among people who take the same bus every day, who lives in the same
apartment, who sit in the same classroom, who drink water from the same
river.  I am not aware of any significant barrier between Taiwanese and
outlanders (be them Chinese, Japanese, or Filipino).  Maybe you can tell
me what unpleasant barrier (social, of course) is there.  I can hardly
see any similarity between the two kinds of barrier.

>Mr. Charles Tang is the person who helped to start this thread.  From
>what I gather of his postings, he immigrated to the United States
>around the age of 12. 
>
>My question is, if Mr. Tang (who resides in the United States) is to
>be included in this cohesive society that you spoke about, why should
>another Mr. Tang (who resides in Fujian province) be excluded?
>
Let me just repeat my view point on the society.  A society is a system
whereby people lives together in organized communities.  Human society is
a society; Taiwanese society is a society; Taipei society is a society.
A society is a territorally circumscribed population which is not
ethnic group, nation, or fan club.  A condominium is a micro-society and
its management committee is an anology of a state.  

Look, I do not live in Taiwan now, so I am not living in Taiwan's
society.  However, I meet with fellow oversea Taiwanese from time to
time and that makes me a member of oversea Taiwanese society.  The only
way I can be included in Taiwan's society again is to be there.  I do
not have an illusion that I am not in the US society.

To get our discussion focussed, you have to state your position.

TY Huang
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou ~{E7OHIz~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:51:27 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <l92ql0INNfbl@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:

>Mmm, you should be in Los Angeles!  In Monterey Park, we even have
>Yong3 Hoa2 Yo2 Tiao2 Do4 Jian1...

In Monterey Park, they have EVERYTHING!!!   :-)
Even "smelly bean curds" and snakes and O-Ah-Jen (those stir fried
oysters with eggs etc).


Brandon
--
Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Computer Science    
University of Arizona         Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lmh@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu)
Subject: Re: No Taiwanese?!
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:27:26 GMT

In article <17AUG92.09051113@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw> u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw writes:

      In Aug.11, KMT female Legislator, Chow1-Chuan2, said,
      "Those KMTs who speak Taiwanese are bastard. (Bai4-Lei4)"
      Oh, I feel so sorry for the hundred thousands of KMTs, who
      speak Taiwanese as their mother language.

   --
   =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
   - Yishao Lai                  -
   = u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw =
   -       :o      wow           -
   =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Well...I guess the comforting thing  is that she didn't do all that
well in the KMT primary on Saturday.

- Minghsun Liu
From: jack@eecs.nwu.edu (Kuo-Feng Liao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: about air-lines across pacific...
Keywords: air-lines, pacific
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:23:12 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

Hi, 

   Could anyone express their experience with United Airline in the trip  
USA<-->Taipei ?   

   Thank you.

-- 
Kuo-Feng Liao
Northwestern University, Dept. of EECS
jack@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com 
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:48:29 GMT

In article <BswDEn.JxD@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com writes:
>>
>>What is your problem? :_) Isn't politics a part of culture? Or isn't politics
>>the single most important factor of culture? 
>
>Nope, culture is a way of life subject only to spontaneous modifications
>through generations.  Politics, on the other hand, is about public
>affairs, is fluid, and can change over night. Do I answer your question? :-)

Get a life! Assume you are right, then tell us what kmt and ccp have been trying
to do in Taiwan and china for the last 40+ years.  Tell us why a number of people
in Taiwan resist those "spontaneous modification processes". Tell us how
they resist the modifications. Now explain to us why politics is not the single most
important factor in the culture.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:12:44 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <l8o56iINNi7o@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

> Both of Mr. Ho's parents were born in China.  They came to Taiwan while 
> China was being taken over by communists.  According to "the definition", Ho 
> Duan-Fung is WSR.
> 
> However, when I asked him, "Where are you from ?(Ni[3] Shi[4] Nar[1] Li[3]
> Ren[2] ?)", without any hesitation, Ho responded with "I am from Hua-Lien.
> (Wuo[3] Shi[4] Hua[1] Lien[2] Ren[2].)"  Huan-Lien is in Taiwan's east coast
> and Ho was born there.

	** I am in  about the same situation as Mr. Ho.

	   If you ask me the same question, I will say: I am a Chinese.

	   If others ask me the same question, I might say: I am from Taipei.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in Taiwan
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:29:22 GMT

In article <Bt269q.KnE@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
>
> 
>   ** Yes. Because of small size of area, it is very feasible in Taiwan.
>      The similar thing: I was told that HK or Singapore had done Field Try
>                         of ISDN because of small size???????? Not very sure!
>      How about Taiwan?

Taiwan bought 50 ISDN BRI lines from AT&T about 3 years ago.  Most of 
them were used for internal trial and I don't know how the other lines 
were used.  Nor do I know what happened to those ISDN equipment.

> 
>   ** If my memory serves correctly, we have optic fiber ( Trunks ) from
>      Taipei to Kauchung ??????  Not very sure again!

Does anyone know about this?  Last year I read from WJ that Chin Hwa had
fiber installed in compus.  From the discription I would say it's FDDI.

> 
>---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
>      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11890 soc.culture.japan:6701
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Zen Story (22)
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:23:11 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <Bt10ED.9Cn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
> 	"How amazing, how amazing, I saw the real life outside when I
> 	pulled up the curtain. If anyone ask me what the fundamentality
> 	of life is, I will pick up a stick and beat him."
> 

	** Is there any "modern" Zen story?
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Why Use a Lightbulb?
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:27:22 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <6269@ucru2.ucr.edu>, lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

> So, is there a reason for bringing a lightbulb along
> to a date?
> 
	** I think boys never try to bring a lightbulb.

	   This may explain the reason.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.japan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Zen Story (22)
Originator: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:06:12 GMT



	Chang-ching monk (Tang dynesty) realized the fundamentality
	of life when he pulled up a window curtain and saw the scenery
	outside. 

	"How amazing, how amazing, I saw the real life outside when I
	pulled up the curtain. If anyone ask me what the fundamentality
	of life is, I will pick up a stick and beat him."
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Joe Wang writes:
>I've gotten a lot of mail about where to find you-tiao.  It seems that
>I live in the wrong part of the United States, since there seems to be
>a lot of you-tiao in New York and San Francisco.

Mmm, you should be in Los Angeles!  In Monterey Park, we even have
Yong3 Hoa2 Yo2 Tiao2 Do4 Jian1...

	-- Anita --

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From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: A Satellite of Our Own?
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:13:09 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

According to an article in clari.tw.space, South Korean now have a
satellite of their own.  The satellite was built in England and
launched by Arianespace of Europe.

Makes you wonder if South Korea experienced the same pressure from US
as Taiwan did.

Also I wonder if this will be the model of Taiwan's satellite program
also:  Built and launched by countries who have the resource and
know-how's.

Yes, I know when Taiwan's satellite is to be launched, the "button
will be pressed in Taiwan".  :-)

-Chunshi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:48:08 GMT


In article <cyen.713874972@ponder> Jesse writes:
>Hi folks, if you love our country, please finish reading this.
>
>   I don't know how many Chineses feeling the same way about Americans.
>If you have the same feeling, you should call "them" yankees. You know
>yankees are another species of pigs.  Listen, I just said "them" in stead
>of all.

Hey, Jesse, chill out. There are always some nice people and some assholes
no matter where you live. This is probably one rule without any exception.
The unfortunate fact is we have overwhelmingly more assholes than nice 
people. Things go worse when it comes to younger generation.

> 
>  I saw many Americans tell lies.  What "they" promised you is very easy to
>forget. "They" smiled in front of you and kicked your ass in behind.
> 

Does a term "Lip-Service" ring a bell to ya?

>Americans have such dark side. They think the moon in US is bigger and brighter. 

Well, they just have no interest and respect to other country's people and
culture and history, (keep going and going, and going.....). Remaining as  
ignorant idiots unshamefully is totally thier business, so let them enjoy
being laughed at by all other people in the world.
 
Any flamers, please do not get me wrong. I am talking about Americans in 
general. Not all of them are dumb-ass. As a matter of fact, my boss, who
happens to be a 100% American, is the smartest human being I have ever met. 

>  Every time the traffic in Taipei is discussed, the chaos is due to 
>an unreasonable excuse:"We are Chinese."  They don't know Americans are as
>same as Chinese.  Why is USA what it is now?  The spirit of being proud of


The answer is quite easy. The broken Family.(as Ross Perrot once pointed out.
But he failed to give us any way out of this mess)
People are getting too selfish and greedy, they(Once again, Americans in 
general) came up to the point where they don't give a shit even to their
kids, who eventually end up being trash-talking, drug addicted, 
heavy-metalitic(?), tattoo covered, high school drop outs. 
Am I too harsh? Well, we have 4 females in our group and they ALL got
divorced.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 16:40:11 CDT
From: <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
 <92224.194850U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Aug12.023703.17719@odin.corp.sgi.com>
 <1992Aug12.042909.13098@news.columbia.edu>
 <1992Aug12.190228.19166@odin.corp.sgi.com>

In article <1992Aug12.190228.19166@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu
Chang) says:
>
>|> whatever they can grab, and do whatever they wanted to do in those 5
>|> years -- cuz they'll all be gone in 5 years!  Who cares about Taiwan?
>|> the policy makers' fault, but the general altitude of WSR that really
>|> bothered many Taiwanese people.
>
>Yes, if that is true how come my whole family and majority of the
>mainlander family are still poor in the 60's and 70's.
>
>I was too young to witness that but let's say that those ugly mainlanders
>in those years are no better or worse that the taiwnaese merchants in the
>mainland today.
>

I really don't understand what this guy is talking about. Is he too upset
to clear up his mind ? What do "Taiwanese merchants today" have anything to do
with this issue ?  Do "Taiwanese merchants today" include only BSR ?  Is he,
himself, spreading hatredof "Taiwanese" ?

Most importantly, even if "Taiwanese merchants today" really do something in
mainland that is so ugly, is he trying to use this to justify what WSR had
done in the 50's ?

I really hate to use the terms "WSR" or "BSR" to refer to today's people
born and raised in Taiwan. But some Taiwan-born people still consider
themselves "WSR", and get mad talking about such issues. I am really
sick of it.



>|>
>|> Well, certainly not all, but many (older ones) should be!
>
>The WSR does not rule.
>There are more tai in the cabinet and all level of goverments.
>95% of WSR people do not hold offices.
>

99% (or more) of BSR do not hold office. (Please don't use WSR again.)
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An old joke about Taiwan and China
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:07:27 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug17.223358.15573@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
> 
> I just heard that Earth is a part of Jupiter.  Is that just a rumor?


	** It will be closer to the truth if you say:

	   The earth could be a part of the Jupiter system.

	   Why not? Jupiter has several moons very similar to earth.
From: laiichung@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:51:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92227.130430U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> 
>All I wanted to said, initially, was that :
>(1) A government or a political party should be responsible to what their
>predecessor did. Open up their minds.
>(2) No more WSR or BSR, please. If we were all born and raised in Taiwan,
>just consider we are all Taiwanese. Let's work together for a better Taiwan.
>Come on, guys, don't be emotional anymore !


= I feel deeply sorry for what your family has been through .
  Yes you are right , no matter you are WSR or BSR ( though I don't like this
  term either ) , you are Taiwanese . We are all Taiwanese , we are all in the
  same boat . 
                                                                    I Chung Lai 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.104221.3643@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.175043.22285@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>> 
>> 	Gee..., next time throw lots of acronyms back at her/him.
>> 
>	** Why do you say "Gee"?

	When I faced a breaucratic response, I used to curse the hell 
	out of it when I encountered one.

	As I grow older, I find it is better to my mental health if
	I shove my shoulders and take it easy expressing a feeling of 
	"gee...  I did not deserve this, did I?". Often I will get an 
	apology if that response is not intentional. I will have a better 
	day with this reaction.

	What would you response to a bureaucratic treatment?

>
>	   I don't like this "word". It is a banana: inconsistant.

	I wonder when banana means inconsistency? If you meant that 
	the word banana, as often used in describing ABC (America-Born-Chinese)
	to imply they follow behaviors of typical kids in USA, is
	`inconsistency', I would suggest you drop this implication.
	They are not inconsistency; quite on the contrary, they are
	consistent with the society they live in.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:12:07 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

As can be expected, what started out as a real nice subject turns
sour after the political-minded people step in.

This is a *culture* group. Can we forget about politics?  And talk about
the relationship between *ordinary* BSR and WSR in today's society.

It is easy to recite and generalize past sad experience. But is it
the only way to solve the situation today?

Most of what I see so far is a repeat of "us against them" 
attitude.  Maybe Taiwan's education system really failed.