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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:27:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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'>>	Anyone who plays games on a PC without a sound card is lost.  Castle
'>>   Wolfenstein 3d sounds pretty damn good on my SBPro.
'>
'>It kills me, though, that a decent PC sound card costs more than an
'>entire Super Nintendo video game system.  And the latter comes with
'>a controller, CPU, power supply, graphics better than VGA standard
'>including multiple playfields and sprites and background scaling
'>and rotation.  Oh, and a sound chip which is _at_least_ of the same
'>qualtity as the SBPro.


	Yeah, but I can't play any of my SVGA wargames on the SNES.  Different
   markets IMO.  You can get better soundcards then the SBPro also.  The
   Gravis Ultrasound is excellent at around $130-140 mailorder.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>James Hague   
'>exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill, the keeper of knoledge. Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:58:13 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <BzH1E8.65y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.192447.5281@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>Yea verily! And the Stock Splitteth yet again....
>>-- 
>
>And yea did the FCC charges be brought upon him, and his empire did
>fall, yea like Babylon.
>
>--Jason Balicki





More likely, rather than owning one billion dollar company, after the
FTC descends upon him, Mr Gates will own _two_ billion dollar
companies :-)

Which would be fine, as long as the FCC made him get Gary Kiddall to
run one of them :-)


                andy
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:41:44 GMT
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Rick Kelly (root@rkamiga.UUCP) wrote:
:
: If Microsoft is going to do NT for big endian processors, they would have to
: rewrite a lot of kernel routines.
:

Have you actually seen these routines?  How can you make such statements
without really knowing anything about it?

:
: If I was offered NT for free for the Amiga, I would take the disks and
: reformat them for something else.
:

Wow.  I guess some people are ignorant, and wish to remain that way.

:
: NT is for people who believe everything they read in glossy ads, and in
: articles written by writers who get wined and dined by Microsoft.
:

Yeah, right.  And AmigaDOS is for people who think they are smarter than
everyone else.

:
: Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
:
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   OS/2 vs Win NT
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:40:34 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>>In article <root.0363@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>>>stated Windows NT.
>>
>>At the moment, this is highly subjective. In retrospect, it may prove to be
>>a significant offering.
>>
>
>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild
>speculation going, but this is the second time I've heard of such a thing. 
>Why would Microsoft do that? Wouldn't they do it for the Mac (yech) first?
>Is this just a wild idea or is it really true? Or what?

If Microsoft is going to do NT for big endian processors, they would have to
rewrite a lot of kernel routines.

If I was offered NT for free for the Amiga, I would take the disks and
reformat them for something else.

NT is for people who believe everything they read in glossy ads, and in
articles written by writers who get wined and dined by Microsoft.

--
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		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:11:06 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Distribution: world,public
 <1992Dec15.092027.940@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <BzGJvC.LFr@newcastle.ac.uk>
 <1gsupqINN3st@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>

Well, this chaos and flamage is what c.s.a.a was expressly created FOR...
take it for what it's worth.

But if you ask me what I want for the Amiga, I say, I want what we have now.
Thing is, we've had bloomings and rebirths before, until C= management rolls
over in their sleep and crushes them. As a Christmas wish for everyone's
favorite advanced computer system, I wish that C= doesn't blow this one.
'Cause with AGA, the 1200, the 4000, the DSP, the RISC Amiga and all the
rest it looks like Commodore-Amiga is poised for a giant leap from the middle
of the pack right out to the forefront again. The 1200HD is already the best
power/performance your money can buy, and the 4000 is a worthy successor to
the 3000. That's a good START. If things continue that way, we're OK.

Fingers crossed, fingers crossed...

"Thank you, Dr. Science."

[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 15:38:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I was down at Creative Computers' Lawndale, CA store today and asked
the sales mgr when he thought they might have 1200s in to sell and
he said "probably not till the end of December or early January"
which means, of course, it misses the Xmas selling season :(

By the way, those $1199 A3000/16 machines they've been advertising
are gone. No more in stock. Sold out. 

Hav
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jil@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu (Jim Lathrop)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:30:45 GMT


>not say "The ISU bus offers good performance [period]."  I said that the 8-bit

I wasn;t aware that we had our own bus design for PCs!  (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
--
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Iowa State University
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:21:32 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <1992Dec13.232710.24118@ludd.luth.se> <1992Dec14.020711.24429@usl.edu>,<29627@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <29627@castle.ed.ac.uk>, marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>Ahh, I'll have to download them tonight.  Recently, I've beemn playing
>>Ultima Underworld for the past several hour.  You've heard of Ultima
>>Underworld, haven't you?  You know, it is...  :-)
>
>Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
>appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
>everbody in this group with.
>
Recently I have been playing Legends of Valor (CoverDisk Verison). You've
heard of LoV havn't ya dan?  It's the game on the Amiga that can do EXACTLY
what UU can + has see through windows and stairways.  Seems every time
Dan grabs a new "stick" there is a shield in the Amiga realm...But that's
irrelevant right?

Jim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:50:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <Bz9Bno.GsH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
>still alive.

UhOhhhh! Commodore better deploy the Marc Barrett Memorial Proof Brigade.
Of course CDTV isn't alive! It never was. After all it's
just a computer! :-)

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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:48:03 GMT

In <1grkkgINN7gg@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> pdcruze@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Patrick D'Cruze) writes:

>I have finally figured out which RISC chip is going to power future
>Amigas (if Commodore decides to emigrate over to the RISC line).

This reminds me of that idiotic Intel 486 commercial.  So if it's true
that Intel microprocessors can replace the traditional electricity
distribution networks for the PC clone industry, then I suppose it
must be possible for RISC processors to do the same for the Amiga.

The next person who throws around the word "power" in a marketing
tone of voice deserves a slap.

Ben
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:40:07 GMT
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Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
:
: "Multitasking VDM"? Oh, you're running them in a DOS emulator, then. They're
: not written for OS/2. Ah, that explains it.
:

You'd be surprised at what Virtual86 mode can do for DOS emulation, which of
course is what it was designed for.  You can't compare it to a software
emulator, trust me.

:
: Eventually you will start getting some games written for OS/2, then maybe
: you'll be able to do all this nice stuff we've been doing on our Amigas since
: late 1985.
:

Maybe, except that OS/2 games won't be able to take over and monopolize the
machine like Amiga games do.

: 
: Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
:
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:08:10 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: na
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <71644@cup.portal.com> spiercy@cup.portal.com (Scott Kelly Piercy) writes:
> my dealer told me (and I used to work for him, so I can trust him, although
> I always have doubts of his C= source, simply because I know C= all
> too well) that C= will release an AMIGA next year (he said the time frame
> was about 4 months from now) that contains the DEC ALPHA processor.  
> Totally speculation at this point however

Sounds like he's been reading 3-rd hand postings off the net or something.

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: The A1200 vs. A600
Organization: City University, London
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:42:55 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07f4@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>30,000 computers in two weeks (rate that someone reported A1200s selling in
>Germany) comes out to 15,000 X 52 per year, ~ 750,000.  That's not really
>that many..... 

Thats because dealers are getting rid of A500s, A500+s and A600
at the moment. Dixons in the UK is a good example of this. The
A1200 is hidden on a low shelf, while the A600 is on display.
I have enquired in 4 Dixons stores and _none_ of them are even
displaying anything on the A1200 more than the Workbench boot
up hand.

Considering that, I would say the A1200 is very _popular_.

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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IBM PC Demise?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:09:08 GMT

>>Except that the PowerPC is a RISC CPU that will run Unix, System 7 and
>>DOS at PC prices.  It is marketed by two companies that UNDERSTAND
>>marketing.  It has huge market hype two years before release?
>
>understand marketing? Isn't IBM one of the two companies?

You mean IBM the biggest computer company in the world?  The one that
sells more computers annually then anybody except Apple?  Their
mainframe business may be drying up, and in the we in the non-corporate
business world may laugh at them, but studies have shown that IBM and
apple are the the *ONLY* computer companies that the average
non-computer hacker is familiar with.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:50:43 GMT

Okay, does anyone else have any enlightened opinions?  All this shouting
about desktops, I uploaded some to usl.edu in /pub, and I have yet to
hear of any WB2 *****.gifs***** being uploaded anywhere. Well?  Well?

Mr. Greene, perhaps you could make some WPS captures and enlighten these
ignorant masses? :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:48:29 GMT

In article <BzKn49.1zE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>>Why port games to OS/2 when it runs Windows and DOS games? How viable would
>>it be to specifically cater to a small minority of PC users when there are
>>tens of millions of machines running DOS and 15 million copies of Windows
>>floating around?

>OS/2 versions would run considerably faster (especially under windows).

But it would also require more RAM, hard drive space and a capable
processor.

>Besides, the DOS market is crowded, there is money in moving to less
>crowded markets, and OS/2 is the only close-to-DOS market worth
>pursuing.  The Amiga has a following, but porting a game is not
>trivial.  OS/2 would be much easier.

Why put any effort into an OS/2 port at all when you can take immediate
advantage of DOS? This is exactly the mentality of developing Amiga
versions of DOS releases.

[...]?

>Gotta love those buzzwords.  The Pentium, and probably 68060 will
>probably be faster then some RISC chips.  RISC!=BETTER.  RISC is
>USUALLY better.

At some point in time, RISC will always be better. CISC is simply
running out of real estate. And with RISC, you don't inheret the
baggage of a decade of predecessors.

>But getting excited about it running on a risc chip
>without knowing which one is an exercise in vapour-hype of a
>magnitude only rivaled by Microsoft.

By 'it', I assume you mean the 3D0? If you knew some of the people
behind it, I'm sure you'd know why people would be enthusiastic.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200 questions :)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 16:29:44 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>>   2) What are the prices for a 1200 + =>80Meg HD?  (w/o monitor)
'>
'>In Canada, dealers are bundling the A1200, 40 MB drive and 1960 multisync
'>for $1300 (~$1000 U.S.). Some are offering an 80 MB drive for an additional
'>$79.

	Can I ask where in the US you are getting this $1000 price?  The 2
   Amiga dealers around here are quoting $1200-$1300 for the same setup.
   
							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Numbers of Amiga
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07hy@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>Ivan Pintori was asking after market research about Amiga owners -- only
>have I never heard of any being done, but the big US computer industry
>market research companies BISCAP and IDC DON'T EVEN INCLUDE COMMODORE IN
>THEIR COMPUTER MANUFACTURER SEGMENTATIONS!!!!!!! 

That's funny. This same IDC also does research here in Europe, and they
well report Commodore always among the leading ones.
Maybe their european branch should point their american colleagues to
this fact?

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:44:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.055929.5129@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:
>papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>
>>We'll have OS/2 games when AGA games become plentiful.  OS/2 is brand
>>new so it doesn't have many yet, but it won't be long before there are
>>hundreds of OS/2 games.
>
>Oh and there are sooo many windows games.  Not!  There are some, but for the
>most part they are ms-dos.  And aga will become plentiful because of the 
>easy ports.

Umm, doesn't it strike you as a conflict the increased size of the AGA games-to-
be and the fact that many A1200's won't have harddrives to put them on?

And there are a decent number of Windows games.  Chessmaster 3000 for Windows
looks pretty nifty. :-)  I wish Microprose would get on the ball and make
Railroad Tycoon and Civilization for Windows.

>Martin
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:55:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.071842.5859@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
writes:

>>Microsoft would be developing NT with the processor is mind, not the native
>>platform. In this respect, the end-user still benefits, but not by virtue
>>of any benevolence on the part of MS. But who's complaining? :).

>Don't misunderstand me, I'm certainly not going to complain if any major piece
>of software is written for the Amiga or can run on the Amiga. Getting NT on
>this platform by one means or another is certainly ok with me. I'm simply
>not clear on this processor vs native platform bit. The Mac and the Amiga have
>the same procesor, but you can't run the same software. I'm confused; what
>do you mean by this? 

Stated more clearly, Windows NT is designed to increase portability among
platforms by making it less tightly coupled with the architecture of a
target machine. In this respect, any machine with sufficient processing
capabilities should be capable of running NT. For instance, if a RISC
version of the Amiga used an Alpha processor, you would be able to run NT
and any applications designed for it, provided that you had appropriate
device drivers for the specific hardware in your machine (display, disk etc.)
You wouldn't need Corel Draw NT for the Amiga for example, as Corel would
be developing the program with NT in mind, rather than the specific platform.

In developing for a native platform (Mac, Amiga, PC etc.), you are generally
designing and implementing applications with the specific OS and hardware
in mind. While The Mac uses the same processor as the Amiga, the operating
system is entirely different, making code less portable. NT attempts to
alleviate this by making the OS a common denominator, at least in theory :).