From: rohan@nmc.cit.cornell.edu (Rohan Oberoi)
Subject:  The Case of The Missing Akhand Bharat
Keywords: BHARAT, Siberia, Ranjit Singh. 
Organization: Cornell Network Management Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:09:07 GMT

indu@iss700 writes (1992Aug18.152742.26565@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM):


>Does 14th August mean nothing to us?


Yes.


>Does a nation lose its claim on its territorial parts that try to sperate for 
>time being?


If they form a new nation and are recognised by the United Nations, then we do
lose any territorial claim we might have had over them.


>But what about its HISTORICAL links with BHARAT?


What about our HISTORICAL links with Britain ?  Should we petition them to send
us a viceroy ?


>Right from the ages of Ramayana our links have been established with IRAN, 
>AFGHANISTAN, BANGLADESH, NEPAL, CEYLON, THAILAND etc. Can these be severed
>by some religio-fanatical upsurge(as in case of PAKISTAN) or by some weak
>leadership guidance(in case of BHARAT)?


Try to keep gibberish off the net.  Are you saying we should annex all these
countries as well as Pakistan ?  By the way, you may not know this, but Bharat 
is another name for India.  We have not been separated from "BHARAT".


>Does PAKISTAN gaining its Political 
>Independence mean that we lose claim on all our Historical Landmarks like
>LAHORE (maharaj Ranjit Singhs Capital), Western Punjab Provinces, Sind regions,
>Rivers and rivulets  Sindhu which had their repectable place since the Vedic 
>age?


We do not lose the cultural ties we have with these places.  Pilgrims from India
still visit many "holy" sites in Pakistan.  As to Ranjit Singh and the Vedic Age,
the fact that Ranjit Singh once ruled Lahore has no more relevance than than the
fact that Akbar once ruled Delhi.  Also, Ranjit Singh had no political ties to
the Indian Government, which - and this may be news to you - did not exist at the
time.


>I believe that PAKISTAN is still an integral part of Great Indian culture and
>heritage.


If you mean a common cultural heritage, you're right.  If you mean a national 
identity, you're wrong.  Period.


>In such cases one should never forget the examples which Jews and Germans have
>set before us.


Whatever you say.


>Bharath was once a world leader, VISHWA GURU.  Its culture had spread from
>Siberia to Australia, from Indo-China regions to SOUTH America. It is this 
>spirit we should remember. The sad incidence of pertition should be taken as
>a wrong in the history and one should forget that and try to restore our
>GLORIOUS HERITAGE


I presume this is merely a call to cultural and economic arms, not a call
for the annexation of Siberia, Australia, Vietnam and/or South America. 
(By the way, there is no evidence whatsoever of pre-colonial Indian influence 
on Siberia, Australia or South America.  Moreover, the Vietnamese do not 
vote BJP.)



>Some times it does pain the way our pakistani brothers try to project their
>so called PAKISTANI identity.


I fail to see why, unless they should try to do it in Sringar.


>If they feel that their NATION has taken its birth in 1947 then they are lost.


Pakistan did become a nation in 1947.  You seem somewhat lost yourself.


>These people have taken all the pains of the Invaders barbarianism and 
>stopped them at the FRONTIERS of BHARATH. Are we that gratitudeless to 
>forget all those sacrifices?


I don't remember them stopping at our frontiers in 1947, 1965 or 1971.
We did, however, do them the courtesy of stopping at their frontiers, and
they don't seem all that "gratitudeful" to us for that...


>Now it is our turn to serve them and bring them out
>of their chaotic life and give them a sense of Direction


If you think the average Pakistani is dying to have us reward his ancestors'
blameless suffering by taking him back into the fold of the Indian Union, try 
to win an election in Pakistan on that plank.


>As a person with this past we should try to merge back and try to achieve
>the final of  UNDIVIDED BHARAT ( AKHAND BHARAT).


As a person with this little intelligence you should not have a mainframe 
account.


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Rohan Oberoi
("These opinions are not my own, I just made them up.")

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