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From: bruceh@cray.com (Bruce T. Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sam Adams Octoberfest!
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:51:29 GMT
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA

In article <binkley.718247009@beagle> binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:
>
>>So, is this stuff hoppy as hell, or what?  I love it!  Has anyone else
>>picked up a few cases, or is it safe to assume that those who have are in 
>>no condition to post?
>
>It is hoppy as hell, and I like it.  Unfortunately, Oktoberfests
>aren't supposed to be hoppy, but quite malty.

I bought a 12-pack of the Octoberfest at Price Club here in San Diego for
$10.98.  I did not think that it was that much hoppier than the lager, but
it did have a real smooth roasted malt flavor.  Good Stuff!
The stuff we get down here is brewed by Blitz-Weinhard in Oregon.  I wonder
if the east coast version is slightly more hoppier, or am I just too used to
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale (the ultimate in hoppiness!)?

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From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer Survey
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:53:27 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: 's message of Thursday, 24 Sep 1992 19:44:22 EDT

In article <92268.194422IO20049@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20049@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>     I am doing a survey for a rather unusual report in a class.  I
>would appreciate it if anyone who has a moment, would tell me
>what their favorite kind of domestic and foreign beer is, and whether
>they prefer it from a bottle, can, draft, mug, paper cup, etc..
>Any other beer preferences would be appreciated, such as what you
>believe to be the strongest beer, the weekest beer, biggest rip-off
>beer, or whatever else you may feel.

Favorite US: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Ironside Ale (Boston micro)

Favorite elsewhere: Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout, MacAndrew's Scotch Ale
(known as Caledonian Export something-or-other outside the US)

Draft is the way to go if available; otherwise bottled.  Consumed from a
thick-walled straight-sided glass.

Strongest beer I've run across, besides Thomas Hardy's, is MacEwan's Scotch
Ale.  Weakest I've actually consimed was Corona (and now there's Corona 
*Light*?! How could it be even *more* watered down than the original?)
Biggest rip-off is also Corona: how this swill acquired its yuppie cachet
in this country I'll never understand.
--
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"I get drunk, drinking Guinness with Creme de Menthe in it. It's really
bad for you."  -Shane MacGowan.
From: mlsbb4gdm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Guinness changes...
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:26:58 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <Bv9npx.3KJ@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
> 
>    My brother (who is nearing 40 years old) recently told me that the
> Guinness we drink these days (in the past decade or so) is nothing at
> all like it used to be.  It used to be his hands-down favorite beer,
> but at some point in the early 80's, it became weaker and less flavor-
> ful than it had been (quite a bit, judging from his words).  Needless to
> say, it's not his favorite anymore.
>    Now, I'm not old enough to know about this "dilution" of Guinness,
> and it wouldn't bother me if it was true (although I would've liked to
> been able to sample the old stuff myself).  However, due to the near-
> religious following this brew seems to have (I'm not sure exactly why),
> I'd very much like to find out if the experienced readers (those that
> drank Guinness back in the 70's) find this statement to be true.  I my-
> self happen to like Guinness fairly well, but nowadays my brother will 
> not touch it (the biggest reason, I suspect, is that he's simply upset
> that the company weakened its beer to reach a wider public).
>    Please do not respond with a flame stating that my brother should
> die in pain because he doesn't like Guinness...that's not the point of
> this query.  I simply would like to hear from those that have sampled
> Guinness back in its stouter form, to see if they agree or not.  Let's
> keep this civilized, ok?  :)  Thanks.
>    Later.
> 
> -- 
> Ernest M. Crvich                       Pressure building inside your head 
> crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Compression pushing to the red 
> general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                Limbs are numb, control is lost 
> Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust

	I don't think the actual mixture of Guinness has been changed. The
actual ingredients used are kept constant. The only change from year to year
may be the variety of barley that is used in the malting process.


	Try the draught Guinness in cans and see what you think.
From: daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good Beer in North Carolina
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:40:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <BvEI98.Jt3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>burgess@epas.utoronto.ca (A. Burgess) writes:
>
>There's a Brewpub in Durham called The Weeping Radish.  I went there
>once several years ago, and I don't really remember it, but I think the beer
>was good.
>
>

The Weeping Radish closed approximately two years ago and is now called
Old Heidelberg Village, I believe.  It's in the same place, and they
make the same good beer.  The food is overpriced, but the brew is worth
it.

Cheers.

T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602
(Duke University, Class of '92)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:58:40 EDT
From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Wet Glasses

Can someone explain for me, please, the supposed point of wetting the
glass before pouring beer into it? I saw this mentioned in an article
here the other day, and have seen it elsewhere. I think even _The Joy
of Cooking_ tells you to pour beer into a wet glass. Why on earth?
Is there really a good reason for this, or is it just the same kind of
utter hooey as the belief, deeply held by some, that when boiling water
to make coffee, you should start with ice-cold water? Or one of my favorites,
that you should buy *really expensive vodka* to mix with cranberry juice
(not that I would drink such a thing no matter what kind of vodka was used).

Isn't the net result of using a wet glass actually just slightly watered-
down beer? If someone can enlighten me on this point I would be most
grateful. The beer I have here at my elbow was poured into a *dry glass*
and is quite delicious. Am I enjoying it incorrectly?

H.

Herschel Browne
"The" American University
From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Buying Keg Beer 'Economically'
Date: 27 Sep 1992 20:47:07 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting <IK10015@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Can somebody tell me the best places to buy Keg Beer
>that is Cheaper to buy at than the small convienence stores ?
>I feel that the smaller stores can charge more for the Kegs
>because they always have them on hand. But will large Grocery Stores
>order Kegs For you ?  Where is the best place to buy them
>efficently ?
>Sincerely
>--Michael

Best place I know to get keg beer is directly from a distributer. Check 
your phone book, or the phone book or the nearest "big" city for a list of
distributers.

I know that Cleveland has several, representing the major US breweries. 
Most of them sell a couple varieties of either imports or better domestic
stuff besides the budmilloors. 

On thing to look out for... check the date on the keg. I got a keg of
Moosehead in August of this year for a party. Took it home, hooked it up
to the keg-o-rator, poured a glass, tasted it, and almost gagged. Total
cardboard stale! Checked the date, and it was from April or May. It was also
too late in the day to get back to the distributer and complain. Thankfully,
I didn't have to drink it. The people that did partake, seemed to like it, so
I didn't feel too bad. Heres to Homebrew!

Later.
Dan


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From: HERSCH@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer Survey
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:15:03 GMT
 <Re-Bv6x3v.1JD@heaven7.in-berlin.de>
 <1992Oct2.212232.1665@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Distribution: all
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct2.212232.1665@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr) says:
>
> Preferences: Draft!! Always!! then those new N2 pub cans then bottles.
>        For drinking vessels, glass or porcelain.

Porcelain?? I don't think I've ever seen a porcelain beer-drinking
vessel in my life. Please expand on this.

H.

Herschel Browne
"The" American University
From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Guinness changes...
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:10:55 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Oct4.001841.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> jtmull01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <Bv9npx.3KJ@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
>> 
>>    My brother (who is nearing 40 years old) recently told me that the
>> Guinness we drink these days (in the past decade or so) is nothing at
>
>Just out of curiousity, what is your brother's favorite beer now?

   There were two that he mentioned, Mackeson's and Old Peculiar (I could
have easily misspelled both...I haven't tried either yet), as well as some-
thing he said to try once in a while...something called Assebock I think
(again, probably misspelled).  He also likes Xingu a lot.
   However, it should be stated that if indeed the Guinness of today tasted
like the old Guinness (I've gotten a few personal replies stating vehemently
that my brother's opinion is definitely not alone), he would certainly still
be drinking that instead. 
   I personally still enjoy Guinness to some degree and am not discouraged
by the fact that the company weakened their beer.  After all, the taste is
certainly more important than the reputation.  
   BTW, glad to see no flames (yet...knock on wood) became of this thread!
Speaking of threads, I've got an operating systems project to work on...
Later!

-- 
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Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Is Alt Bier available anywhere in US?
Keywords: alt
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:44:39 GMT

ted@ultra.com (Ted Schroeder) writes:

>In <1992Sep23.201053.18689@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:

>>Judging from my own experience with a bottle of altbier a friend brought
>>from Zum Uerlige (sp?), you're out of luck.  I've never had an
>>altbier like it.  Wow!  

>Acutally, Zum Uerlige is probably one of the little microbrewery restaurants
>in downtown Dusseldorf.  I can't remember if this is the correct spelling,
>but I think I know which street it's on :-).  Anyway, there are a number of
>little microbrewery restaurants that all brew Alt Bier.  In addition there
>are some pretty large breweries in Dusseldorf that brew a LOT of Alt and it
>does get distributed throughout Germany as well.

I suppose by some standards the brewery is small, although my
understanding is that the brewery/restaurant is an entire block and
three stories high.  At any rate, somewhere I remember reading/hearing
that their annual production is the same as Anchor Steam (ah, it was
from Kurt Widmer) and that they serve this substantial volume ON
PREMISES.  

My friend who brought me the bottle related an experience he'd had there
(having gotten to Dusseldorf on business and drunk at the same brewery
every night!) when a co-worker tried to stop at two beers.  In this
place they re-fill you whenever your glass is empty and mark down the
total for you to pay later.  The co-worker was told rather curtly that
"This place is for drinking.  If you want only two you should go to the
grocery store." !!  Sounds like my kind of place.


>>Someone else mentions Widmer Alt and incorrectly comments that it's a
>>seasonal beer.  In fact, it's the brewery's flagship beer and brewed
>>year-round here in Portland; it's not, however, their big seler.  When
>>it was first introduced, it was an astonishing rendition of a
>>Dussseldorf alt; the brewer, Kurt Widmer, spent time at the Zum Uerlige
>>brewery and uses their yeast strain.  Unfortunately, the beer was
>>considered to be too much beer for the market and they cut back
>>considerably on the profile.  Whenever the find space to build their
>>beer garden, they are likely to offer the original recipe (I can't
>>wait!); in the meantime, the current alt is still pretty good.

>This I'll find and try and report back on the authenticity.  Let's hope
>for the original recipe at some point!

Alas, you'll have to come to Portland to do so.  Widmer doesn't bottle
any of their beers, and has no plans to (or at least last I heard they
didn't).  Why should they, really, since bottling lines are a pain in
the ass and they sell every drop they brew?

>      Ted Schroeder                   ted@Ultra.com

Jeff Frane

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: "michael livsey" <michael.livsey@canrem.com>
Subject: guinness
Reply-To: "michael livsey" <michael.livsey@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:37:32 EST

>Anybody else out there tried Guinness' Nitrogen-Gizmo stout can?  Havta say it
>was deelicious.  ,

MP> Indeed!  It brings bottled/canned stout to a whole new level!

I was so amazed about those cans that I cut one open to see who was in there
pumping out the beer. It turns out that there's a plastic insert with a small
pin-hole in it which apparently allows the Nitrogen to escape. Does anyone
know how Guinness gets those inserts into the can without them blowing up???

Regards.

          michael.livsey@canrem.com
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From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Anhor Steam on prime time
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:38:16 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer

In article <CASEY.92Sep29151332@anxiety.lexmark.lex.usa.na>, casey@lexmark.com (Patrick Casey) writes:
|> In article <BvCovC.CMD@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Schuyler Stultz) writes:
|> 
|>    I was watching the season premier (sp?) of Northern Exposure last
|>    night when something caught my eye.  It was the scene where Maurice
|>    was talking to Holling at the bar.  Holling was standing in front of the
|>    beer taps.  As I looked closer, I realized one of the taps was for 
|>    Anchor Steam Beer.  Does anyone know if this was intentional?
|>    Or did whichever bar they tape the show in just have Anchor Steam on tap?
|>    N.E. is taped in Washington state so either possibility is likely.
|>    Thanks for any responses.
|> 
|> 
|> I noticed this, too.  Also, in the episode from last season where Joel
|> thinks the ghost is after him (the ghost of the guy who used to live
|> in his cabin and committed suicide), he's shown drinking a bottle of
|> Anchor Steam, while talking to Ed.
|> 
|> Patrick
|> --
|> Patrick A. Casey      pacasey@lexmark.com         Hi, I.S. big brothers!

Northern Exposure often has minor ads for good beer in it.  I have also seen St. Stans, Sierra Nevada, and a couple of others.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From:  (The Catt)
Subject: Catt's Quote
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Life
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:24:07 GMT

Beer tastes like piss.
From: busch@stx.com (jim busch)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: penn. beers
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:25:17 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

Try Stouts beers.  They are brewed in Adamstown Pa.
Some nice products, IMHO.

Also, the Alleghany Brew pub makes excellent traditional
german lagers, ALL use decoction mash.

Jim Busch
From: gary@gdfwc3 (Gary Bud Melton)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Black and Tans!
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:53:25 GMT
Reply-To: gdfwc3!gary@uunet.uu.net
Organization: General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division


asimeone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (antonio simeone) writes:

>Quick, somebody please tell me how to pour a black and tan where the
>beers are separated!  i just tried it and they mixed.
>can anyone help me???????? 

I have seen bartenders use a bent spoon to help pour a black and tan.
After they pour the ale (Bass or whatever), they lower a bent spoon
into the glass and pour the Guinness into the spoon.  The spoon
spreads the Guinness so the force on the surface of the ale is
lessened and the two parts are less likely to mix.  I haven't tried
this, and I don't know if it works with bottled Guinness, but, hey,
it's worth a shot.

Good Luck,

Bud

(Not named after the (ahem) beer)

gdfwc3!gary@uunet.uu.net
...uunet!gdfwc3!gary
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: busch@stx.com (jim busch)
Subject: re: alt beer/Zum Uerige
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:41:33 GMT

Just wanted to point out the correct spelling of the
BEST alt beer in the world:

ZUM UERIGE      

Jeff Frane was right about the drinking habits there.
They mark a swath in pencil on your Deckle (coaster)
for each alt you get.  They bring more alt's until
you place the deckle over your empty glass!  We didnt
leave until we were on our second deckle (and we had
other breweries to visit!)  The altbier galsses are
pretty small, at about 6 OZ per serving.  BTW this
beer is intensly hopped but malty notes too!

Jim Busch

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Subject: Re: Beer Survey
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:34:08 GMT

quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:

>(Mike 'Vogon' Margolis) writes:
>>Favorite Import: Any Spaten Beer except light (e.g. Oktoberfest, Dark, Club 
>                      ^^^^^^
>What does this term signify?  Recently I shared a brew with a friend 
>(German) and I pronounced this "schpaeten" as in "later", analogously
>to spatlese.  She was not impressed and pronounced it "schpatten"--which 
>my dictionary tells me refers to a spade.  What's the groose?

	It's "schpatten", which does indeed mean spade.  I think there's
even a spade drawn on the label.  That's not too ridiculou is it?  I mean
there are weirder beer names.  

	Now my question is what's "groose"?

-m.
From: JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu (JJ Serowik)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Brews from Pennsylvania?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:41:20 GMT
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University

Ladies and Gentlmen,
      I need a little help.  How 'bout a list of beers made in Pennsylvania.
I know of Yuengling, Rolling Rock, Iron City, Straub and ?  How 'bout
a little help.  I want to try them all, but I don't know of all of them.
Thanx in advance,
                    Rob


'College kid in need of good local brew'-me
'Notre Dame is over-rated......Go PSU'-me again
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jtmull01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Guinness changes...
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:18:41 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bv9npx.3KJ@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
> 
>    My brother (who is nearing 40 years old) recently told me that the
> Guinness we drink these days (in the past decade or so) is nothing at
> all like it used to be.  It used to be his hands-down favorite beer,
> but at some point in the early 80's, it became weaker and less flavor-
> ful than it had been (quite a bit, judging from his words).  Needless to
> say, it's not his favorite anymore.
>    Now, I'm not old enough to know about this "dilution" of Guinness,
> and it wouldn't bother me if it was true (although I would've liked to
> been able to sample the old stuff myself).  However, due to the near-
> religious following this brew seems to have (I'm not sure exactly why),
> I'd very much like to find out if the experienced readers (those that
> drank Guinness back in the 70's) find this statement to be true.  I my-
> self happen to like Guinness fairly well, but nowadays my brother will 
> not touch it (the biggest reason, I suspect, is that he's simply upset
> that the company weakened its beer to reach a wider public).
>    Please do not respond with a flame stating that my brother should
> die in pain because he doesn't like Guinness...that's not the point of
> this query.  I simply would like to hear from those that have sampled
> Guinness back in its stouter form, to see if they agree or not.  Let's
> keep this civilized, ok?  :)  Thanks.
>    Later.
> 
> -- 
> Ernest M. Crvich                       Pressure building inside your head 
> crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Compression pushing to the red 
> general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                Limbs are numb, control is lost 
> Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust


Just out of curiousity, what is your brother's favorite beer now?
From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Brews from Pennsylvania?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:55:35 GMT
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <92274.114120JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu>, JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu (JJ
Serowik) writes:
|> Ladies and Gentlmen,
|>       I need a little help.  How 'bout a list of beers made in
Pennsylvania.
|> I know of Yuengling, Rolling Rock, Iron City, Straub and ?  How
'bout

Red Feather is pretty good.

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