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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:24:48 -0400 
From: James William Stepanek <js43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: adamantium

>What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
Silly speculation but oviously too high to measure from a comic book
description. This depends and the adamantium because there are supposed
to be two forms the tough stuff and the Oh My God its Indestructible
stuff.
>Brinnel hardness?
You lose on this test because a brinell hardness test requires and
indentor which is harder that the object being tested and diamond is the
standard , but diamond would be too soft for this.
>Izod impact?
What the hell is izod impact, I know of Charpy impact. What is this you
hit it with a preppie's shirt?
>Modulus of elasticity?
assume completely rediculous
>Melting point? 
 I believe it does not melt once hardened, and iff enough energy were
brought to bear it would sublimate.
>How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
forge them sharp in the first place or find a piece of Uru stone
 
>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and 
>have him come out smelling like a rose?
I suppose the skeleton could be assumed to not break but every piece of
flesh in between tank and skeleton would be squeezed off. Ouch.
James Stepanek
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From: nomann@diku.dk (Ole Nomann Thomsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:32:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>	Considering all the hoopla in the Supreme Court over the most
>recent attempt by pro-lifers to recall the rights of a woman to choose
>if she is to have a baby.  I was wondering if at any time in comic history
>did the topic of abortion ever come up.

In "Those Fabulous Furry Freak-brothers", Franklin's girl-friend has one, but
the fetus is implanted in Franklin instead ("I got this tiny little incision
scar", "*I* got a great big zipper").

To be sure, this *is* underground comics.
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From: c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Masque...dead? (was Re: X-Force and the New Mutants)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:09:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Apr6.211042.4810@acsu.buffalo.edu> v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes:
>In article <92097.114615JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>> 
>>   Masque's gender is irrevelant.
>>   Masque can change its apparent gender at any time (think about its
>>  "mutant power" (tm) ).
>>                        -Jonathan
>
>
>
>Masque's power couldn't affect him (unless they did a major reworking of the
>character); this was supposed to be one of the reasons he was bitter.
>

   Thats right.  Otherwise Masque could have made himself look normal, and
gone on to become a world-renowned-billionaire plastic surgeon.

>                                            --Ben

Mikel
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:24:49 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr10.220746.17388@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>PS: Wouldn't it be nice if someone took over this title that could actually
>draw, and someone else wrote some stories about what would realistically 
>happen if a man could run/move at incredible speeds?

	Well, if you postulate that a person can run/move at the speeds
demonstrated in Flash, and then postulate he lives in a world where 
its fashionable for folks like him to dress in silly leotards and 
fight crime, then Flash does a pretty good job.  

	The supporting cast were all well rounded people, with lives
and motivations more than just being potential hostages.  

	The pseudo-science babble for how Wally can run so damn fast 
was much better than in most comics (like Legion, where the laws 
of physics are beaten senseless on a regular basis).

	Wally himself changed over Loebs' tenure, and developed naturally
from the Mike Baron version.

	For a super-hero comic, Loebs did a pretty good job, and Mark
Waid is doing a good job with "Born to Run."
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From: poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole)
Subject: Re: Youngblood
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:44:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>I'm curious, of the people who bought the series, how many were planning
>on getting it from day 1, and how many were seduced by hype and curiousity
>like me?


Having this stupid collector mentality that I have I bought it because
of the "firsts" aspects of the thing and planned to buy it from day
one. Additionally I was curious as to how much Liefield could or would
improve given the time and freedom he had with the book.

I was very disappointed and not surprised. Here's why.

1) Liefield continues with the "I forgot what my character looks like"
   mistakes that drive me nuts. Specificlly on the front cover even,
   you will notice that "Shaft" has only one knee pad. The right (his
   right your left) knee has a band like Robert was about to draw the
   pad then forgot. Throughout the rest of the book there are two
   knee pads. Several aspects of the character "Combat's" outfit
   change from panel to panel. In one panel you can see where Liefield
   realized that he had misdrawn the arms and left off the wrist
   bands. He fudges by using color with no inked outline. 
   There are several other such problems with the charater "Diehard"
   as well. This problem is evident throughout the X-force books.

2) Lettering - was inconsistent and poor.

3) Dialogue - minimal and mostly(attempted)snappy banter.

4) Plot - Very minimal with very little insight into the characters.

5) Art - Inconsistently finished. Certain panels were highly worked 
   while others looked hastly drawn.

My question is what is it about this guy (Liefield) that makes him so
popular and that would attract a company to hype him so much?

Given the time, effort, money and hype put into this book why didn't
Liefield do a better job? Surely and increase in his efforts and time
spent on the book could have rectified some of the problems with the
comic. I had read somewhere that "Youngblood" is really something
Liefield had done before his work at Marvel or DC. If so, why publish
such an early effort without a better reworking of it?

Sometimes he draws a good poster panel. Sometimes his action and poses
display a high energy look. I think with some real constuctive
feedback and some real art training he could be a good comic book artist.

Other observations out there?

Regards,

Rick





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Subject: Re: X-Men Question
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:19:05 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
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In article <wdvB6BG00UhWI9MwwV@andrew.cmu.edu>, jbb9+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Michael Borlinghaus) writes:
> 
> I remember a way back during the X-Men's Australian stint that they gained the 
> ability to avoid detection on most electronic scanning equipment
> (security cameras, can't remember what else because my collection is at
> home). Has there been any mention of this power recently or is another
> forgotten chip of continuity.
> 
> ------------ Moose

I can see two reasons why they're not invisible to machines anymore:
1) Only a few of the X-Bunch were made that way.  Gambit, Bishop, the
   ex-X-Factor crowd (original X-Men), Jubilee, weren't involved.

2) Those that went through the 'siege perilous' may have had that little
   bonus revoked.  That whole disappearing mutants bit was the lamest bit
   of writing they had.  "Let's lose a bunch of these mutants so we don't
   have to deal with them for a while.   And let's have Longshot disappear 
   in a different way, just to confuse the fanboys."  Bleah.
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Subject: Elementals
From: bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:04:35 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

What is the book "Elementals" about?  


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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT: NO!!!
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:43:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.124156.11037@kodak.kodak.com> houchin@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Scott Houchin) writes:
[objecting to the blanket prefixes]
>What if a few years ago the discussion had been:
>Subject: MARVEL: Alan Moore's _Watchmen_	...

Hardly likely; DC published it.  If this was a hypothetical example, it's
beyond my ability to suspend my disbelief.  To quote Albert the Alligator,
it's "kind of a strain on my s'poser".

You have a point, though; someone who wants to see one or two items has to see
lots of other stuff.  If it weren't for Doom Patrol and Sandman, I'd 
probably have DC in my kill file.  But I strongly suspect that there
are many other people out there with "MARVEL" and "X-anything" in their
kill files.  Also, plenty of people probably zap INDY.  ( <--- that was
included in the interest of Equal Time.)  Bottom line: they work for me.


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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Traitor unknown to writers?  I think not.....
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.022037.17901@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando) writes:
>
>Look.. for them to put something like that and insinuate as much as 
>issue 8 of X-men did.. they have to know by now.  They would not h ave written
>it in.  They are not gonna drop it.  One major reason is they have too many
>people right now on both as it is.. and one needs to be drop (That one is my
>opinion) and the second major reason is THAT storyline will sell big time
>and Marvel loves that.  They will not drop this line and they know it already.
>
>Think about it.. Why would he tell you the truth?  Do you honestly believe
>he would tell you the X-traitor?  I think not.  Not to flame the 
>person who wrote the original post but I dont believe he was honest with 
>you at all.

Oh, please.  Look at the number of X-Men plot danglers still around.  They
number, easily, in the dozens.  The number of panels spent discussing the
"traitor" was no more than ten or twelve (not counting fight scenes), which is
a lot less time spent than has been spent on other forgotten loose ends.

And of course, there isn't any solid evidence that there actually IS a traitor.
Bishop comes from an alternate future, and the future of the current X-Men has
already changed significantly from Bishop's timeline simply by his inclusion
in the 20th century.  There may not ever be a traitor, and if there is, it'll
just be fodder for some annual crossover some years in the future, long after
the current writing teams have left the books.  Jim Lee's plots will all
be irrelevant in three months, since he's leaving after issue #11.  Chris
Claremont's danglers are also pretty much irrelevant, as current and future
writers are much more likely to create their own plots than work from those in
issues past.

The "traitor" theory is no more or less important than any other dangler, and
should be treated as yet another loose thread never to be tied up.

-------
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University of Victoria Creative Writing Department
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: PEOPLE: Liefeld in LA Times
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:52:04 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

Dateline, Los Angeles.

Attention Liefeld fans:

Today's LA Times features (as the main article of its "View" section,
I think) a large interview/expository article on Rob Liefeld and 
Malibu comics.  It mentions that Liefeld will be at Golden Apple (a
large comics store here in LA) to sign the first 1,000 copies of
"Youngblood" on its first day of release.  It's got color photos
of two "Youngblood" covers, and several shots of Mr. 501 with his
artwork.  There's some history about the Marvel/Malibu situation, and
Liefeld's feelings toward Marvel.  There are a few quotations from
McFarlane as well, mostly about Liefeld, as well as some history of
Liefeld's career and interest in comics.

I'm not a Liefeld fan myself, but if you're interested, run down to
your public library and check it out.

Favorite quotation: "I just wanted to draw guys who knock down buildings."
 -R. Liefeld

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From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: General Editorial plans for '92
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:15:17 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services

In article <1992Apr13.230415.1591@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
>
>SALVO is an ongoing series scheduled for 1st quarter '93. Done by Steven Grant
>and Pat Gabrielle, it's described as "The Punisher as done by Lucy and Desi",
>featuring the best marksman in the world who lives with his mother in an
>Italian-American neighborhood.

Hooray hooray!  On the same day that I post a lament for Thriller I read
that my favorite character from that book is slated for a comeback.
I assume the rest of the cast and the near-future setting has been
scapped, which is too bad.  I wonder if his trick of cutting holes in
the rooves of moving vehicles while falling toward them, landing inside,
and shooting the weapons out of the hands of the bad guys will be used.
"ONLY FLESH WOUNDS!  ONLY OUTPATIENTS!  I won't hurt a fly, so DON'T ASK
ME!"  -- Salvo.

>SHAZAM will be a one-shot hardcover which reintroduces Captain Marvel.
>Writing and art will be by Jerry Ordway, edited by Jonathan Peterson.
>Topics hit on will be why Billy Batson was chosen to be The Big Red Cheese,
>what happened to his parents, and just who led him into that abandoned
>subway tunnel anyway. Dr. Sivana and Black Adam also appear, as do
>Mary Batson and a set up for Tawky Tawny.

Hooray!  Finally they scrap that terrible version that showed up around
Legends time.  Boy, did he suck.  Put more eloquently, boy did the
creators miss the point of both the original and the succesful updatings
by Moore et al that they were trying to follow.

>DOOM FORCE is a 64 page parody of X-Force by Grant Morrison with art by
>Richard Case, Walt Simonson, Keith Giffen, Paris Cullins, Ken Steacy and
>others. I've seen a preview of the first part of this, and unfortunately 
>it has the same problem as the '60s Marvel parody of DP. Namely, while it
>shows that Morrison can do an excellent job of simulating "bad" writing
>styles, he goes so far that it's not so much parody as effectively an
>issue of X-Farce.

I disagree here totally-- I laughed all the way though "And Men Shall
Call Him Hero."  The style may be identical, but the use of the usual DP
cast and the high denisty of those elements that made 60's Marvel so
fun made it riotously funny.  I probably won't be as fond of Doom Force,
as I have no love of X-Force.
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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Test
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:04:30 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

This is a test. This is only a test. 
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: FAQ/SQUID request
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:08:13 GMT

wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes:

>I don't know.  I can't really see myself in a courtroom discussing
>with a straight face the look and feel of a squid.

>Maybe I'm just not cut out for the bar.


If it's squid at a sushi bar, they're all cut out.  Or up.  Or whatever.
-- 
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From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Stop blaming Marvel!
Summary: blah blah
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:25:46 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Apr1.202736.2556@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu writes
:

> 
> Let's keep the 'blame' off the fans, unless it's really substantial, and
> be abit more focus and specific in our 'anger', then we can all get in 
> and share 'notes' properly.
> 
> 
Yes, I guess I did not make my point clear enough. My mistake, I didnt take the
subject seriously enough.
I just wanted to say that
it is not (solely) _Marvel's_ fault, if they have so many low grade comics for
sale. The comics are on sale IF there are enough people who buy them. Hence, 
any criticism directed at the comics is also directed at their readers.

Personally, I want to apologize for using the word "idiot". I guess individiual
tastes CAN be very different. But, I took the New Warriors as an example, 
because _I_ find that particular comic book as "the" stereotypical super hero
group comic book, average art, average stories, no real "stars" with unique 
personalities (only Night Trasher is _slightly_ interesting).
I personally view my general knowledge of Marvel comics pretty good, since when
I translated X-Men into Finnish (for a couple of years) I got one copy of EVERY
Marvel product published those years.
 (I had to read them to find "probable hits"). Most of
them were quite similar to each other: nothing remarkable, a very predictable
stories, average art... btw, there is one guy who writes stories which NEVER
surprise me: John Byrne. That damned predictability, all those cliches...
doesn't that guy have any ideas of his own? 
I have always liked writers who introduce new interesting characters or develop
the personalities of existing ones. John Byrne didnt seem to do either of this.
In fact, he seemed only to try to kill existing good villains without intro-
ducing any good new ones. (Yes, I DO think Terminus is just a Galactus variant)




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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: X-Force and The New Mutants
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:48:55 GMT

DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:
: 
: I've only just recently managed to complete my New Mutants collection, missing
: a number of pre-#50 issues, so I took the time to sit down and read the first
: ~55 again. NM was the comic that started my interest in comics (I've noticed a
: number of people mention this...). However, I have a few questions...
:

Amazing how great the early issues are, and how horrible the post
Claremont stuff is, isn't it?
 
:  - Exactly when did Doug enrol at Xavier's? In the issue "Slumber Party" it
:  was revealed to him that he was a mutant, yet only Warlock was introduced at
:  the end of the issue to Xavier.

I understood it was after the Party.

: 
:  - When did Danielle change from Psyche to Mirage?

When the hero already named Psyche pressed the lawsuit? I don't remeber
this one...
 
:  - Where did Illyana first appear? I noticed in #2(?) that she was with Moira
:  at one point...

She appeared in the X-men *long* before the NM, and had a Magic mini-series
prior to joining the NM. The appearance in #2 was just the continuation
of a story going on in the X-men.

: I always thought that Illyana was limited in her use of her magick by her
: fear of fully becoming the Darkchild. Everytime she cast a spell she succumbed
: a little more to the "dark side".
: 

This crap was the result of Simonson -- I'd ignore it. The only thing
the real illiana was afraid of is not being able to control her
powers -- like hte teleport mishap that sent them to scotland in the 
early 50's issues.

: The real problem was that the New Mutants weren't supposed to be another
: super-hero team. Xavier stressed a number of times that they were _not_ the
: next X-Men. While I enjoyed the issues where the combatted various evils (the
: Badlands saga especially), my favourites were issues were little or no fighting
: occured at all ("Slumber Party", the issue on suicide, Magneto's first
: appearance as headmaster...)
:

Real storytelling... powerful without cheap violence & thrills.
Bill S. could draw a snail race & make it exciting, though :).

 
: Personally, I would like to see a New Mutants title start up again, with the
: _old_ New Mutants (Sam, Dani and Rhane at least) back again, the first two as
: teachers this time around. The concept has a lot of potential for character
: development, IMO, and I would definately collect it...

I.e. the *REAL* new mutants -- it couldn't happen without Claremont though.
He just got everyhting right on the NM. A once in a lifetime magical
series...

: BTW anyone else miss Claremont's multiple storylines like I do?

Amen!

Scott
From: jym@sybase.com (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:07:39
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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In-reply-to: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 18:20:09 GMT

=\= There's a comic book out specifically about abortion,
called _Choices_.  It's printed by Angry Isis Press (which
is essentially Liz Schiller and Trina Robbins).

=\= The topic's been dealt with in _Love_and_Rockets_, and I
think also in _World_War_3_Illustrated_.
    <_Jym_>
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