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Rajiv, my only suggestion to you is simple, don't take
your cars to any of those dealerships for repairs of
anykind.  Even if your cars are under warranty, there 
must be hundreds of service departments and repair shops
who can and will do a far better job than any dealer
service shop.  The extra money for the small jobs will
be worth it to you.  On large jobs its a different story,
and you might want to get rid of the car you talked about,
and buy from another company.

I and alot of my friends have had problems just like this
and every time it came down to a few worthless con-men with
a chip on their shoulder due to bad sales.  I wonder why with
bullshit that they put you through.  This is a no win situation,
and is not worth your time or emotional well being.  Cut out now
and us this as a valuable lesson on dealing with these clowns 
later on.  You will see the train coming next time if it happens
and you can step out of the way.

Don't ever let a sales person talk to you like this guy did again!
If it had been me, I would have gone down their and kicked his ass
in front of his workers and dealers just for lauphs.  This has happened
with me before.  Face to face confrontations do work if done without
anger, and always makes them look like fools if your attack plan is
well thought out.

I wish you luck.

Jeff Mortensen.   

.
From: dibb@dg.UUCP (James Dibb)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Non-functioning brake lights
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:29:32 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro MA

I realized yesterday that nothing annoys me more on the road
than someone with completely non-functioning brake lights.

Mr. Family man with the wife and two kids in rush hour traffic
on Route 9 in Framingham , in their off white Volvo wagon with
absolutely no brake lights at all.

One broken or burned out light I can deal with.  What was
even worse was that I couldn't inform this guy of the problem
he had because I was right behind him, but couldn't get next to him 
for the next light.  

Just venting a little frustration.
Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: ctsadm@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Rosi Tseu)
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: rec.driving
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:46:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.222941.3319@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:
# >In article <1992Apr10.052804.21377@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu
# >(Noemi Berry) says:
# >>i hate to say it, but as soon as i see permed, fluffed, dyed blond hair
# >>at the wheel of a convertible, i'm outta there.  ditto for a silk tie at
# >>the wheel of a mercedes 2-seater.  and a hat peeping out from the wheel
# >>of a lumbering, ancient land yacht.  need any more stereotypes??
# 

...Yay...noemi...we should go cruisin' together sometime...we'll keep
count of all the Bimbo's and Louts that we come across....stat 'em up for
a "Enema-dilemna: who NOT to get one from"-list or somethin' of sorts!! :)

..IMHO...

.."most" women are more cautious, and more "law-abiding" on the roads...and
most women were taught to drive 'professionally'...rather than the 'ol' man'
technique...
BUT that doesn't make "most" women the better of drivers...the last few years,
statistics have been put out stating that more MEN are involved in
accidents. What these statistics DON'T say is that there is a HIGHER ratio
of MEN driving than women; similarly, 'they' try to imply that there's a
higher rate of motorcycle accidents than cars. 
And I wouldn't be surprised to find that these 'cautious' women CAUSE the
freekin' accidents...eg: You and everyone else are going 20 over the speed
limit, and sure enough, ya got one Bimbo in the left lane DOING the limit!
DUH!!!.....
of course...it applies to men too...
but without gettin' into nitty-gritty sociological discussions, women weren't
traditionally put out to drive vehicles...the aggression of driving a motorized
vehicle were strictly 'male-dominated'...whether or not a MALE is a good
driver...
..and being a "better" driver is all relevant to the situation...
if you put in ego's, speed, fancy machines, cops,....?

...so what do I think of women drivers!?!?...ooooh boyyyyyyy!!!...
IF they can drive like ME....great...I'll take 'em ANYTIME...but otherwise,
...let's put it this way...I once threatened this Bimbo that I'd pull out
her bleached-blonde locks if she didn't stay 30ft from me and my bike!!...
...and she DID have bleached hair,ok!!

..hm...i should have lots of participants for a Formula 1 BIMBO series!!
:)

Rosi
....the only Ninja driver in Toronto that's got the guts to put a "No Bimbo"
decal on the rear of her bike!!


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason)
Subject: Re: Slick-50 Motor treatment/oil
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.035058.24141@wuecl.wustl.edu> c31002wb@jezebel.wustl.edu (WILLIAM) writes:
>
>I've been hearing and seeing alot lately about this "Slick-50" motor treatment.
>They claim that it's not a motor oil but more of an engine protector.  
>I was wondering what the various net opinions are about this product.  Has 
>anyone used it?  Did it help?  Could it potentially harm the engine?  I've
>heard it's rather expensive ($50+), is that true?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>-william

	Slick-50 is, as they claim, NOT oil.  It is indeed engine
treatment, not _oil_ treatment (like STP), it's engine treatment.
	STP and the like need to be added each time you change your
oil, slick-50 does not.  It lasts upwards of 50,000 miles (check the 
bottle on that, it may be higher).  
	80-90% of engine wear occurs durring startup because there's
no oil in the engine, it's sitting in the pan.  Ok, ok, when you start
up after sitting for 2 minutes there is oil in the cylinders, but I'm
talking abotu cold starts.  Slick-50 has teflon and some other stuff
in it that coats the inside of the cylinder walls permanently.  That
way you don't have metal rubbing on metal anymore.  
	A friend of mine worked on a track for several years and
Bob told me that they put slick-50 in an engine right after getting
it.  50,000 miles later they tore it down to rebuild it and you could
still see the original markings on the cylinder walls!  Bob has been
working around cars all his life (he's in his 40s) and he swears by
the stuff.  I've been working with cars for about 5 years and I think
it's great too.  I won't hesitate to buy a quart for the next car I
buy.  (that was one of the first things I did when I got the one I
have now).
	The price seems a little bit steep, but think about how long
it's going to last and how much money it'll end up saving you in the
long-run.  It used to be around $50 a bottle (1 is all you need), but
I've seen it on sale recently for around $20 or so.  It is well worth
the investment.
	Hope this helps.

-Jason
.
--
"One day I'll get what's mine through the persistence of time"
						    -Anthrax 'Time'
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:01:17 GMT

chuang@micro (Michael Chuang) writes:
>#      Besides, one would bet that the obedience is more due to
>#      visibility.  Biker's CAN'T speed...and cars are a bit more
>#      conspicuous cruising down the wrong side of the road.

>Bikers (no apostrophe needed) CAN'T speed ?  It is quite obvious the poster
>does not ride and has limited experience with cycling in general.  Most cyclists
>in decent shape can exceed 30 mph, if not for long, on the flats.  This
>would clearly violate speed limits in residential neighborhoods and many
>downtown areas.  On reasonable downhills (around Litchfield, CT in my
>personal experience) it is not difficult to reach speeds in excess of 50 mph. 
>I bring this up not because of some juvenile urge to say "I can go fast too!"
>but because there is the common and dangerous perception that bicycles are
>ridden at speeds of 10 mph or below.  Assuming that a rider actually
>travelling at 25 mph is going less than half the speed results in many cases
>of pulling out (illegally, need I add) in front of the cyclist and
>causing a crash. 

Some things about bicycles and speed:

10mph is slower than most bicyclists will go at an easy cruising
speed on flat ground.

15mph is easy for even a novice bicyclist to maintain for a long
period of time.

18mph is easy to maintain for an average bicyclist even for extended
periods of time.

20-25mph is cruising speed for good bicyclists.

30+mph is within reach for good bicyclists on flat ground, although
not for long periods of time.  In many areas 30mph is around the
non-highway speed limit (or even above it in a school zone) so
speeding is possible.

Even novices can easily beat 30mph on a downhill grade.  50+mph isn't
particularly uncommon on a steep grade, although it's quite dangerous.

That said:

Most automobile drivers don't expect a bicyle to be going much faster
than a pedestrian, which is obviously a fallacious assumption.  Worse,
most drivers don't pay enough attention to see bicycles anyway so they
won't expect them at *any* speed.  Thus bicyclists must be very
careful on the road.

Someone out there is going to take my "most drivers" statement
personally, although that's not my intent.  Not all drivers pay that
little attention to what they're doing, but in my experience nearly
all drivers fall into the inattentive category with respect to small
mobile objects (ie anything that's not a car or stationary object).

I've seen a few doozy maneuvers by bicyclists that work up the ire of
drivers, but not nearly as many as the number of times I've nearly
been killed on my bicycle by drivers doing completely asinine things
(right turn on red at 30mph, right turn across the path of the
bicycle, and coasting through the stop sign are probably the most
common).  I'm of the opinion that automobile drivers are generally a
lot less aware of what they're doing than bicyclists -- which makes
bicycle riding much more dangerous than it might be.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Rolling a Civic..
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:49:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1436@tivoli.UUCP>, aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes...
>pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
>+  Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
>+prone to rolling the car.  In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
>+lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard...

>  In fact, _I_'d argue that _all_ racers in stock Rabbit GTI's of all
>  vintages lift their inside rear wheel, even the not-so-fast racers.
>  And not at the limit neither.
>  
>  I have been beaten by almost a second by my brother in an identical
>  Rabbit GTI on the same autocross course, all the while waving my inside
>  rear wheel in the air, _looking_ mighty fast!
>  (Alright, so his GTI was red;  everybody knows red cars goes faster!  |-)
>  The guy that I beat by 1/2 a sec (he was in an identical GTI) was also
>  wagging his inside rear wheel in the air, looking mighty fast!

Yes, almost all VW's will lift the inner real wheel during hard cornering.
My Scirocco is more than happy to lift it's wheel, despite my very stiff
suspension.  However, this does not necessary indicate a propensity to roll...
I have seen many VWs, from early A1 cars to Corrados lift the rear wheel, yet
I have never seen (or heard of one) that has rolled.  I'm sure it has happened,
but not in my autocross experience or otherwise.  I have spun my car more times
than I wish to reveal, yet I have never felt like the car was even close to
rolling.  

--
Jeffrey M. Mayzurk

jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: goudreau@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:23:42 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Apr9.211458.5583@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.172614.16692@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
>
>>	You want to talk about crazy speed limits?  There's an 
>>apartment complex around where I'm from where the speed limit is
>>(and I'm not making this up) 12 1/2 mph.  There's also a parking
>>lot near a mall where the the limit is 11 mph.
>
>actually, this is becoming common; the premise here is that by
>having `unusual' speed limits, drivers are more likely to sit
>up and take notice of them.
>
>i know of no studies that back this notion up, and moreover, since
>such limits are mostly on minor roads only traveled by locals, i'll
>wager that the shock effect wears off rather quickly and the signs
>receed into the background again soon enough.

Some local anecdotal evidence seems to back Richard up on this.
A bit more than a year ago, some people in a Durham neighborhood
got the city to change a road's speed limit to 27 mph, on precisely
the motive described above.  However, according to a recent article
in the Raleigh paper, traffic engineering surveys have not identified
any real change in drivers' actual speeds on that road.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Goudreau			Data General Corporation
goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA
From: ddpbbb@nerd.ease.arco.com (Bob Benson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Best Roads in NE?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:47:05 GMT
Reply-To: bbenson@arco.com
Organization: ARCO EP&T IT R&D


In article <1992Mar31.202707.3845@eff.org>, peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:
> In article <25205@nerd.ease.arco.com> ddpbbb@nerd.ease.arco.com (Bob Benson)
> writes:
> >There are several listed up in that neck of the woods. Don't know how close 
> >they are to Boston, but my idea of touring is to get well away from cities
> >as fast as possible. I know that's hard up there, but....  ;-)
> 
> Ha! At least we have trees and grass, son! Better than the land of armadillas
> and cactus any day!  ;-)

That's "armadillo", son, with an "o", but we just call them 'dillers. And the
flowers and trees are budding out real nice here, and it's getting on towards
hot these days. I sorta feel sorry for you folks up yonder where its still 
cold and snowy ;-) Why, I saw wildflowers blooming like crazy when I was out
in the Big Bend first of February. Tad warm then. Yep, there's sections out
west that don't have many trees. But just a *small* part out west, say only 
about the size of new england - about a 5 hour run from here. I'd invite you 
to come down and check it out, 'cepting it's spring and the Killer 'Dillers 
have taken to chowing down on anybody with a furrin accent - they's pretty 
hungry during mating season, you know  ;-) 

Bob Benson                                  bbenson@arco.com
Ralliest & Generally Strange Person         214-754-6734
Driving along, doing the speed limit.
Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit.
Xref: sparky rec.autos.driving:2300 rec.motorcycles:12833
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
From: Stafford@vax2.winona.msus.edu (J Stafford)
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:40:20 -0600
 <1992Apr09.191809.29707@i88.isc.com> <BMGpuH.BpI@world.std.com> <1992Apr10.052804.21377@cs.ucla.edu>
Distribution: rec.driving
Organization: msus

> i hate to say it, but as soon as i see permed, fluffed, dyed blond hair
> at the wheel of a convertible, i'm outta there.  

	Unscientific observation:  I've been rear-ended twice in three years,
both times by single women.  (Once in my car and once on my Harley, the
second hurt the most.)  And whenever I'm on a city highway, if a late model
compact passes me going fast, it's almost ALWAYS a woman under 30 driving
as she were the only one on the road and most often the traffic is headed
towards a mall.  I'm not being sarcastic or faceious.


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser)
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:33:20 GMT

ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter A. Simon) writes:
> >These pedal clips could make all the acceleration difference on those
> >pesky Probes I always have to beat off the line.  Maybe with them the
> >drivers could keep up...
> >	Jonathan (MR2s rule) Drout
> 
> I DONT CARE!!!!!
> 
> Listen, Jonathon, would you plese go back to rec.bicycles where you belong?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 


Hey Peter,
	When you're trying to respond to someone's original post, make
sure that's the one you're on when you hit "F", otherwise you end up
flaming the wrong guy.  Besides, I think the original post was just a
mistake.  Maybe you should try cutting down on the caffeine?

				- Jason Reiser
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:05:53 GMT
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA

In <10901@rls.UUCP> randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith) writes:

>bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>> How 'bout the idiot who pulls up to the intersection, waits for
>> the light to change, then turns on the left turn signal.  For
>> that matter any person who signals less than a block from where
>> they're going to turn.

>Whoa, there pardner.  You're suggesting sitting at an interminable light
>to leave your turn signal on for the duration of the light is the proper
>or "non-idiot" thing to do?  Au contrare.

The purpose of turn signals is to allow other drivers to know
what you're planning to do in time to take appropriate action.
I'm sorry if the clicking bothers you.

>Bill, you might want to revisit your drivers ed books.

>First off, by signalling after the light changes, they are most likely
>performing their legally obligatory signal to inform oncoming traffic of
>their intentions.  If there's an accident and they don't signal, they
>can be cited for contributory neglegence.

Screw legal obligations!  The point is to allow other drivers to
know what you're about to do and have time to change lanes if
necessary.

>Secondarily, if you turn your blinkers on one block before you turn you
>are in violation of most cities and counties legal restrictions on use
>of turn signals.  In Ohio it is a maximum of 100 feet before the turn,
>no more.  Maybe you just live on short blocks. :)

Take a look at the law again.  In Maryland, that was a MINIMUM,
not a maximum.  Ohio may well be different (I took the southern
route in the '79 Cannonball to avoid Ohio :-).

>Personally, I'm all for turning off turn signals while sitting at long
>lights.  I KNOW YOU'RE TURNING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME ALL DAMNED
>DAY LONG.  A brief informative notion that you're turning is enough,
>but don't wear the message out.  Since you're not going anywhere, who
>gives a damned. 

This assumes that there's someone behind you.  What do you do if
there's a car coming up who hasn't seen you?

Bill
-- 
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UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!bill   6641 East Mercer Way
             uunet!camco!bill   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven P. Miale)
Subject: Re: Best Roads in NE?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:35:26 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.202827.3930@eff.org>, peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:
> In article <1992Mar31.170614.6332@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
> writes:
> >Route 127 along the coast into Gloucester and Rockport.  This road is
> >excellent for foliage when in season, and has almost no traffic if you
> >pick the right time.

One pretty area in New England is the area of Providence, RI near Brown
University. It's very pretty up there. Newport is also beautiful,
especially in the summer.

Then you can get yourself some good Italian bread (munch) and spinach
pies (munch munch).

-- 
Steven Miale - spm2d@virginia.edu   | Backwards compatibility is backward.
Undergraduate Researcher            |
Department of Computer Science      |
University of Virginia              |
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: brain damaged drivers
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:39:39 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

sgccmjw@citec.oz.au (Mark Wilton 23313) writes:
>I was just wondering why there are so many BAD drivers in Queensland
>they seem to do really illogical things like

Probably for the same reason that netnews posters in Queensland do
really illogical things like

Post this sort of crap to the world.

>1) Use the indicators (if your lucky ) after they do a lane change
>  in front of you
>  (to me the word indicate means to indicate one's intentions ie before
>   you do it)
>
>2) people drive faster in the wet
>   Once at night i was driving on the freeway in the rain i was in the
>  fast lane (thats on the right in AUZ) doing 100Km/h (the limit)
>   when really i should have been doing less due to the conditions
>  there was no other traffic except for this bike who was behind me
>   eventually he came round on the left and did a couple of sentences
>   worth of obscene gestures to me and then sped off like a mad man
>
>  I couldnt help thinking the following

I couldnt (sic) help thinking the following

Why weren't you driving in the slow lane, since you were doing the
speed limit, and there was no other traffic?
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                     I own two bikes, brand unimportant.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:13:18 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1992Apr15.154931.1252@news.nd.edu>  fdeck@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (francis deck) writes:
>
> Has anybody considered STEALTH TECHNOLOGY for cars?  I know
> the Corvette is made of plastic... Do 'Vette owners get
> pulled over by radar cops?
Actually the main body is mostly fiber-glass, still transparent to radar,
but I also heard that the vette radiator is slightly tilted
which also helps deflect radar away from the source.
Yes, we definately get pull over by radar traps, although I been in traffic
and gotten shot by instant-on and not been pulled over. Either wasn't going
fast enough or he picked up something bigger and slower.
Don't forget all the metal underneath, my understanding is the radar gun
picks the strongest signal, so you want slow BIG trucks in the slow lane.
Tom
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:22:51 GMT
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA

A post today reminded me of another real frustration:
	People who pull into an intersection when they can't get to
	the other side leaving their car blocking the intersection
	when the light turns.

This is a major cause of gridlock in cities like Washington D.C.

A similar problem is pedestrians who insist on walking when the
no-walk light is on making it impossible for traffic to move.

Bill
-- 
INTERNET:  bill@Celestial.COM   Bill Campbell; Celestial Software
UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!bill   6641 East Mercer Way
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