HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pushp@nic.cerf.net (Pushpendra Mohta)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: [INN 1.2] NEWNEWS Problems, connection closes midway
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:22:19 GMT
Organization: CERFnet
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net


Some of users who feed off from INN 1.2 here have reported
that the nnrpd connection closes on them partway through the
NEWNEWS request.

The following is typical of problem:

"I have indications here that the newnews command must be core dumping
or such; if I connect manually to nntp port and get the nnrpd, i give
a newnews command expecting some articles and get partway through
the list and get "connection closed by foreign host".  The "list"
command to get the active file works fine. " 


How should I debug this ? There are no error that show up in the logs

Thanks
--pushpendra


Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: caadams@polaris.unm.edu (Clifford A Adams)
Subject: Is nov (news overview) support planned for NN?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:49:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	I am very interested in any answers to this question.  I want
the "nov" database to succeed so that users can have a greater choice
in newsreaders.  Currently some sites need to choose between
newsreaders because of the differing database formats (and lack of
space to keep all the different ones).  With nov, sites could easily
add new newsreaders without all the extra space.

	I intend to add "nov" support to trn (and my extensions called
"strn" (Scoring/ScreenScan trn)).  Is someone willing to add the nov
support to NN?  One might want to look at the code by Geoff Collyer at
world.std.com in src/news/nn.dist.tar.Z. (The nov distribution is in
the same directory as nov.dist.tar.Z)  This nn distribution (at PL 18) is
apparently a first effort at working with the nov database.  It does
not appear to work as is, and has some paths that are hardcoded in.
(The tar file includes binaries and a profiler run, and needs some
editing to run--it isn't ready for distribution yet.)

	I am willing to work with anyone who wants to provide nov
support.  I don't know NN very well, but I have figured out a few
things about nov. :-)

			--Cliff
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(many-moderator groups, keyword/summary addition, prioritizing newsreaders...)
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: Can I have nn alert me of incoming mail?
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:46:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <tom.724633853@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:

>: Yes, it does notify you about new mail.  It shows up to the right of the time
>: on the status line.
>
>Hey your right!  I guess I just never noticed it down there before
>now....  My apologies!

Good grief! I've been using nn extensively for two years and I'd never
even realised there was a clock down there!!! Just goes to show;
there's always someone out there who's even more unobservant than you.

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kenneth@hp825.bih.no (Kenneth Fosse)
Subject: News header field "Organization"
Keywords: Organization, header field, define my own
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:51:40 GMT

Hi, all.
I use nn6.4.18 and NNTP to read news. I posted a test message
to no.test, the Organization field showed up as the
organization at the other end of my NNTP connection.
How/where do I insert/define my own pre-defined
headers, like Organization (X-Organization ?),
X-Fax and so on ?
Thanks.
Kenneth Fosse
kenneth@bih.no
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Can I have nn alert me of incoming mail?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:45:57 GMT

I didn't see this in the faq.

Is there a way to have nn alert me of incoming mail like rn does?  For
instance, when mail comes in, there would just be a "(Mail)" sitting
on the status line at the bottom...

Thanks,
Mike
--
Michael Rosen						"Time and space
Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 can be a bitch."
mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu					  -Quantum Leap
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Subject: Re: Can I have nn alert me of incoming mail?
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:10:53 GMT

hc05@rexago8.uucp (Beirne Konarski) writes:


: >: set mail /var/spool/mail/guckes

: >: >For instance, when mail comes in, there would just be a "(Mail)"
: >: >sitting on the status line at the bottom...

: >Nope.

Yep!

: >This allows you to type ":rmail" and read your new mail messages.

Does this too.

: Yes, it does notify you about new mail.  It shows up to the right of the time
: on the status line.

Hey your right!  I guess I just never noticed it down there before
now....  My apologies!

--tom
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: bern@Uni-Trier.DE (Jochen Bern)
Subject: HELP: Auto-saving News?
Originator: bern@kleopatra
Organization: Theor. CS, FB IV / CS, Univ. of Trier, Germany (Internet TI.Uni-Trier.DE)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:22:33 GMT

Seems that I'll miss a Lot of News during my Xmas Holidays ... I thought that
I would be able to use "nnbatch" (from my nn 6.4.16) to have all Articles
from all subscribed Groups saved into a File, but everytime I get an "Attempt
to read from Terminal" Error. Nothing in the FAQ (should change, IMHO).
Nothing in TFM. What am I doing wrong??? Do I need a special .nn/init for
this? If so, what's so special about it? Thanx,
								J. Bern
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: markus@mwhh.hanse.de (Markus Witt)
Subject: Re: Is nov (news overview) support planned for NN?
Organization: Nothin' is organized here.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:09:54 GMT

wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:

> As of my last use, nn kill files worked on the user's text name, if
> any, not the fqdn. There's at least one user who regularly changes his
> text name; Mainly, I bet, because by that time he's in everyones' kill
> files;-{
>
> Thus I hope the new databse would keep fqdn's for kill file use.

I second that. Not only because of such persons, but because as the
number of people using NetNews increases, duplicate names are some-
thing one should think about.
-- 
                        Markus Witt, Hamburg (Germany)
          markus@mwhh.hanse.de      ...!uunet!mcsun!unido!mcshh!mwhh!markus

            "Oh freddled gruntbuggly ... thy micturations are to me /
     As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee" -- Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
Xref: sparky news.software.nn:1638 comp.mail.mh:1371
From: kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn,comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: Using NN on MH mail folders
Date: 11 Dec 92 07:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Organization: Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc.

In article <piggy.723859225@newsroom.utas.edu.au> , 
	piggy@hilbert.cc.utas.edu.au (La Monte Yarroll) writes 
>Ah, but I don't have a news spool or even a remote mounted spool.
>Does the NNTP protocol include search features?

One of my friends write perl script to "inc" from nntp server. 
He said he had tried nntp with bbl, but no good.

I find reading remote mounted spool is faster than nntp. So if you
really need "pick" for news, it is better to ask remote mount.
---
Shinji Kono @           kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc,Japan
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: hc05@rexago8.uucp (Beirne Konarski)
Subject: Re: Can I have nn alert me of incoming mail?
Reply-To: beirnek@summitis.COM
Organization: Summit Information Systems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:15:28 GMT

tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:

>guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:

>: >Is there a way to have nn alert me of incoming mail like rn does?
>: >For instance, when mail comes in, there would just be a "(Mail)"
>: >sitting on the status line at the bottom...

>: To let nn notify you of new mail just set the variable "mail" to your
>: mailbox file within your nn init file ($HOME/.nn/init).
>: (Well, I think this does it.)

>Nope.

>: set mail /var/spool/mail/guckes

>This allows you to type ":rmail" and read your new mail messages.  It
>doesn't notify you of new mail.

Yes, it does notify you about new mail.  It shows up to the right of the time
on the status line.

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From: mkc@Graphics.Cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Can nnmaster work with INN?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:14:22 -0500
Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rex.graphics.cornell.edu

>Now this configuration doesn't work because of
>the required entry in hosts.nntp to get inews to work. After switching to
>mini-inews all goes fine.

I don't understand that.  My server runs INN and has my workstation
listed in nnrp.access and *not* in hosts.nntp.  The workstation has
INN's inews and now nn and nn works just fine.  nnmaster runs on the
server and the database is mounted on the workstation with nfs.  I
didn't do anything special to get nn or nnmaster to work with INN.

I *would* like to see support added to nn and the rest for nov so
that once the servers support it, multiple threaded newsreaders can
be supported without having to run multiple threading daemons.

-Mitch Collinsworth
 mitch@graphics.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Can I have nn alert me of incoming mail?
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:46:44 GMT

dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:

>Good grief! I've been using nn extensively for two years and I'd never
>even realised there was a clock down there!!! Just goes to show;
>there's always someone out there who's even more unobservant than you.

Someone just told me that apart from reading your mailbox you can even
READ NEWS!
Damn, learn a little thing ev'ry day.

Sven ;)
From: mkc@Graphics.Cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: trouble building initial nn database
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:03:54 -0500
Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: rex.graphics.cornell.edu

I wrote:

>Greetings.  I've just built and installed nn-6.4.18 on a VAX running
>Ultrix V4.2 and am now trying to get nnmaster to build the initial
>database.  What's happening is that it runs for quite some time,
>seemingly doing all the right stuff until something bad happens and it
>mails me a message such as the following:

>>nnmaster terminated
>>
>>Fatal system error:
>>clari.news.headlines (1340): cannot open 'd' file (mode=82, errno=5)


Grr!  Well the problem is now solved (and I am posting this from nn!).
On a whim I finally took a walk up to the computer room and discovered
the (previously unused) disk I was building the database on was logging
(ready for this?) hardware errors.  Gotta love those RA81s.  I switched
to another disk and everything worked just fine.  Mystery solved.

-Mitch Collinsworth
 mitch@graphics.cornell.edu
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: Is nov (news overview) support planned for NN?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:23:14 GMT
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said:
# >Is someone willing to add the nov support to NN?
# 
# This has been discussed by the nn maintainers, and there is interest in
# it. The problem is that it takes some work, and is a big backwards
# compatibility headache. 

Yet another wanna here...

As of my last use, nn kill files worked on the user's text name, if
any, not the fqdn. There's at least one user who regularly changes his
text name; Mainly, I bet, because by that time he's in everyones' kill
files;-{

Thus I hope the new databse would keep fqdn's for kill file use.
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From: delphys@cc.mcgill.ca (David Holmes)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: nn6.4.16 on SPARC2 4.1.2
Keywords: nnmaster, nntp timeout?, groups blocked
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:42:39 GMT
Organization: McGill University

I have a problem with nn6.4.16 running under sunOS 4.1.2 and I'm not  
sure where to look for solutions.  Our server is used only to get  
articles; the database is local to the other department (with the  
problem nn).  In the log files nnadmin reports things like the  
following:

C: Dec 16 17:25 (M): Collect: 114 art, 89 gr, 88 s
N: Dec 16 17:37 (M): Lost connection to server sifon.CC.McGill.CA: No  
such file or directory
C: Dec 16 17:37 (M): Collect: 136 art, 85 gr, 106 s
N: Dec 16 17:48 (M): Lost connection to server sifon.CC.McGill.CA: No  
such file or directory
C: Dec 16 17:48 (M): Collect: 164 art, 118 gr, 100 s
N: Dec 16 17:59 (M): Lost connection to server sifon.CC.McGill.CA: No  
such file or directory
C: Dec 16 17:59 (M): Collect: 113 art, 69 gr, 57 s
N: Dec 16 18:11 (M): Lost connection to server sifon.CC.McGill.CA: No  
such file or directory
C: Dec 16 18:11 (M): Collect: 100 art, 82 gr, 83 s
N: Dec 16 18:23 (M): Lost connection to server sifon.CC.McGill.CA: No  
such file or directory
C: Dec 16 18:23 (M): Collect: 197 art, 142 gr, 125 s
C: Dec 16 18:32 (M): Collect: 11 art, 10 gr, 4 s


Why is it saying "no such file or directory"?  I had a look through the
FAQ but didn't see anything obvious.  I don't think that this is a  
problem with connectivity and I don't maintain the server, sifon, but
am told that things are ok on it.  Indeed my nn client (which NFS's the  
database doesn't have any problems.)

Is there any way to get more info about that error.  I am willing to
dig in the src if necessary.

Any hints or suggestions appreciated.  Please send email to:

delphys@cc.mcgill.ca

Thanks,
	david

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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: caadams@polaris.unm.edu (Clifford A Adams)
Subject: Re: Is nov (news overview) support planned for NN?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:37:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <BzAvy9.6rB@sci.kun.nl> lwj@cs.kun.nl (Luc Rooijakkers) writes:
>In <s1#r-j-@lynx.unm.edu> caadams@polaris.unm.edu (Clifford A Adams) writes:
>
>>Is someone willing to add the nov support to NN?
>
>This has been discussed by the nn maintainers, and there is interest in
>it. The problem is that it takes some work, and is a big backwards
>compatibility headache. What basically needs to be done is to scrap the
>old database alltogether and start work on nn 6.5. However, nov doesn't
>work over NNTP yet, and there is no precise equivalent of nnmaster yet
>(or so I think). Also, nov does not currently provide all of the functionality
>nn wants (in particular, it doesn't always count the lines).
>
>One approach that has been suggested is to put big #ifdefs around the
>old/new code, but this will make a mess. A different approach would
>be to make a pseudo-nov accessing the old database. Nobody has
>volunteered yet to do it.

	I looked at NN a bit more recently and can see some of the
problems with integrating NOV support.  One modification still seems
possible, however: using the NOV database for subjects and authors of
non-digest articles.  (I ran a small test and it seems that subject and
author text takes up most of the space in the "*.data" files.)

	Specifically, nn could have a configure #ifdef which says
that the site has the NOV database.  If this is defined, the
authors/subjects for (non-digest) articles will not be written to the
database, and will be read from the NOV db.

	Any comments?  I may attempt to write such a patch in a few
weeks (if someone else doesn't beat me to it :-).

				--Cliff

P.S.  Several people are working on NNTP extensions to use NOV.
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: sorting by date within subject?
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:25:28 GMT

I posted this query several months ago, and, as I recall, got a reply
to the effect that version 6.4.18 had some feature that is relevant,
but, having just installed that version, I can't find it.

I find that (using the default "subject" sorting order) the order of articles
within each subject is essentially random, as far as I can tell.  I would
expect articles in each group to be sorted by arrival order.  Can someone
tell me how to achieve the desired effect?  (I've read the FAQ, and don't
see anything in it on this subject.)  I think the feature that I was referred
to previously was something about getting one line for each subject, which
is not really what I want - I want to be able to see one line for each
article, but just to have them appear in a meaningful order, so that I'm
not reading replies to articles I haven't yet read.

Thanks in advance.

Gary
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Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: delphys@cc.mcgill.ca (David Holmes)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: nn6.4.16 on SPARC2 4.1.2
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:57:46 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Dec16.234239.28269@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>  
delphys@cc.mcgill.ca (David Holmes) writes:
> I have a problem with nn6.4.16 running under sunOS 4.1.2 and I'm not  
> sure where to look for solutions.  Our server is used only to get  
> articles; the database is local to the other department (with the  
> problem nn).  In the log files nnadmin reports things like the  
> following:
etc etc

We're also getting times like:

Notice: nnmaster has not updated database in 201263 hours    ??

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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: how to avoid old subjects?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:43:47 GMT

In <keld.724806010@login.dkuug.dk> keld@login.dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen) writes:

>I have been experimenting with some ideas for nn, which I would
>like to hear some comments on.

>I have been somewhat tired of seeing the same subjects again
>and again, and would be interested in just seeing new
>subjects plus the old ones that I cared for.

Then kill the subjects that you aren't interested in--though I would recommend
only killing them for 30 days or else it will take nn a while to compile
the kill file...

>The other idea was to automatically see articles, that were followups
>to my own articles, and also to automatically select followup
>articles on those I have selected for reading.

Have nn automatically select on the subject line of your own msg (for
30 days, once again) and it will auto-select the articles.

>Is this possible with the current nn?

Yes.

>I have planned two new variables:

>ignore-re  (boolean, default false)
>If set, articles with subjects already seen in a previous
>invocation of nn or another newsreader - and not auto-selected -
>are automatically killed.

Where would it keep the subject lines?  How would it handle the number
of possible subject lines?  (128^40 ?)

>auto-select-rw (boolean, default false)
>If set, a subject of an article read or posted is automatically 
>used for subsequent auto-selecting.

Where would it keep the subject lines?  How would it handle the number
of possible subject lines?  (128^40 ?)

I would recommend just using the existing kill function for both of these
functions.  

-- 
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kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce
From: bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: nn version
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: bill@twg.bc.ca (Bill Irwin)
Organization: The Westrheim Group, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

nagin@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Hittandra Nagin) writes:

: Hi

: What is the lastest version of nn ?

6.4.18  with 19 in the oven.
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