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From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: K.C. vs. Philly
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:50:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct8.164823.13554@athena.mit.edu> centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>Are there any serious injuries on either team that haven't
>been addressed or patched up?
>
>-Thanks.

There is some concern on the eagles side. Linebacker Seth Joyner who
played after being injured has a sprained knee. Reggie white,
defensive tackle, has bruised knee. leon seals acquired from buffalo
(who did not feature in the MNF game) has a bruised knee. Coach Rich
Kotite said early in the week that he is not going to have his team
put on pads as he wanted them to take it cool since he expects another
physical battle on sunday against KC. he thinks seth joyner will be
fine for sunday. he did not comment on white.

-Rajeev

EAGLES MARCH ON...

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #7 DUE THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!! (REPOST) **********
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:11:04 GMT

Week 7
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PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 4 different games.
	 You get 5 points for free since there are only 13 games.

This form is due at 4:30pm PST (11:30pm GMT) on Thursday,Oct 15. NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Minnesota        
[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] Indianapolis   
[  ] [ ] Green Bay		[ ] Cleveland      
[  ] [ ] Philadelphia		[ ] Washington  
[  ] [ ] Tampa Bay		[ ] Chicago        
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] Dallas       
[  ] [ ] Atlanta		[ ] San Francisco    
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] LA Rams        
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Phoenix      
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Denver           
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] Seattle       
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Pittsburgh (MON)
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Miami                                

Initials: 

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!

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                            Owner, Boulder Houlders
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami Dolphins
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Here is the Miami Dolphin schedule. Along side each game a have placed a number.
1 - should have no problem winning, 2 - should win/could be close,
3 - either team could pull off the win, 4 -  should lose/could be close,
5 - should lose.

S 6  Bye
S 14 at Cleveland     (W)
S 20 LA Rams          (W)
S 27 at Seattle       (W)
O 4  at Buffalo       (W)  * big win *
O 11 Atlanta          (2) Explosive Team, Miller has played well
O 18 New England      (1) 
O 25 Indianapolis     (1)
N 1  at NY Jets       (2) Jets could bounce back at any time
N 8  at Indianapolis  (1) 
N 16 Buffalo          (3) Win at home would almost guarentee the division
N 22 Houston          (2) loss last year when S Smith fumbled in the endzone
N 29 at New Orleans   (3) Saints have an outstanding D. Not much Offense.
D 6  at San Fran      (5) 49ers are a great team that plays well near playoffs
D 14 LA Raiders       (1) 
D 20 NY Jets          (1) 
D 27 at New England   (1)
               total = 23  :  12 games  ; 23/12 = 2
Do to such a light schedule, with the exception of weeks 11 through 14.
If the Dolphins can go 2 - 2 in that stretch they should win the division 
while at the same time going 14-2. Most likely though they will lose a
game they shouldn't, Atlanta or LA Raiders, and end the season 13-3. 
With they're win AT Buffalo they have to be favored to win the division.

At this point looking at their schedule, other than Buffalo who they have 
already demolished, San Fran, Houston, and New Orleans, their remaining
eight opponents, 2 New England, 2 Indy, 2 Jets, Atlanta and LA Raiders
have a combined record of 5 - 17. If, and they should, win all eight of 
games they will be at least 12-4. That is if they lose 4 straight in weeks
11 through 14, which is unlikely.

Go Dolphins (AFC East Champs 14-2)
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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Three Receivers...
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Out of curiosity more so than ffl reasons, how is Webster Slaughter 
progressing?  Any word on how much of a role he'll have this Sunday?  Since
the run-n-shoot requires the recivers to improvise more than a "conventional"
offense, I assume he would probably have a better chance of contributing sooner
rather than later...

Louis Lipps caught a single pass this past week for a single yard--is it a sign
of things to come?

When does anybody think future superstar Desmond Howard will finally get a
chance to crack the Posse?

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:43:05 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:

>The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
>in a single game by any team in NFL history.

   This of course is a regular season record. The post-season record is
73 pts (again by the Skins) in an NFL Championship game. I had completely
forgotten this (what, Ross didnt check ALL the facts? shame on me!).

   I would tell you the exact year, but all my record books are at home,
and I cant check up on until later today.
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith              smith@oscar.udel.edu|
|    "I really hate that dog...." - Dr. Chase Matthews, Pet Semetary 2       |
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:01:11 GMT

jg> John P. Gloria

jg> Elway's comebacks are just an entry in the records that when added up,
    do not mean jack shit [...].

  Really? ~30 wins over 10 seasons do not mean "jack shit"? The Broncos would
  not have made the SB without those wins, so they *are* important. Remember,
  two of Elway's comebacks got the Broncos into the SB. Too bad Montana could
  not do the same against the Giants in 1990.

  Go home, little boy.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Revenge week?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:33:12 GMT
Keywords: Cowboys bills

In article <1992Oct07.120601.4414@bnr.ca>, jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond) writes:
> 	Since what were considered two of the top teams got blown
> out last week (Bills & cowboys), does anybody feel sorry for the
> raiders or seahawks? Who do the bears play? How do raiders & seahawk
> fan's feel?
> 	Just some idle musings while trying out new posting sw.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------^--------------
> jeffh@bnr.ca | My opinions do not represent those|            /|\
> mss	     | of my employer or any other person|           \ | /            

I do. Feel sorry for them. In fact, I'm considering playing Aikman ahead
of Warren Moon in my fantasy football league this week.
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From: bmw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Ben Weber)
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Summary: idiots
Keywords: Eagles, Dallas, idiots
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:14:29 GMT

In article <6OCT199223190496@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.184439.9071@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes...
>>In article <6OCT199216262371@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:
>>>
>>>Look at last night's game, a break here and there would have turned the game
>>>to the opposite direction. Eagles got all the breaks --- Cunningham fumbled
>>>twice, and lost none. Dallas was bad luck, especially in the first half ---
>>>Martin's kick return should go all the way to give the Cowboys's a 14-10
>>>lead. Instead, he bumped with his own guy and was stopped with even resulting
>>>a field goal to tie the score at 10.
>> 
>>Give me a break.  What you are calling "luck" is execution?  I suppose
>>Dallas is the best team of all time, and can only lose when bad luck occurs.
>> 
>>>Besides, one weekness of the Cowboys was the rockie kicker. That made the
>>>decision at the end of the first half extremely difficult for Jimmy. At
>>>the eagle 33, he opted to try to draw the eagles offside on 4th down. If he
>>>had a more consistent kicker, he would rather kick the field goal to tie
>>>it. 
>>>
>>>Oh, well, I am not impressed at all by the eagles. Granted, their defense
>>>is the best right now, but how about their offense? Cunningham is a so-so
>>>QB, definitely not the most completed QB in the game, IMHO.
>> 
>>Maybe they are good, maybe they aren't.  But a 31-7 loss to me does not
>>sound like a game that could go one way or another.  What is it with you
>>Dallas fans that you feel the need to console yourselves like this after
>>every loss?
>>-- 
>> 
>>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
>
>
>Brian, that game was the one that COULD go one way or the other, especially
>in the first half. Dallas was moving the ball at ease, and the kick return
>should, SHOULD, go all the way to give dallas a 14-10 lead. 
>
>Again, it was bad luck, NOT the eagles, who beat the Cowboys. Believe it or
>not, let us see what happens when the Eagles come to twon in November. Dallas
>will eat them live, LIVE!
>
>Bob

31-7...
if the eagles did NOT win this game, than the cowboys just must SUCK!!!
sheesh - they were BLOWN OUT in the second half...

i guess that it is all said by the announcer (i forget which one) who
said (during the game) that broncos are saying
	"I understand"

too bad you don't.
bob - get a life and a team that doesn't choke...
i bet even MR. CAPS would be less of an idiot when/if (hope and pray if)
the Eagles lose.....

E.A.G.L.E.S.... EAGLES!!!!
(i can feel the chant 1000 miles from the VET)

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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Packers starting QB - Majik or Favre
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:56:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.204559.27576@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>We've discussed a little who will be the starting QB for the Pack 
>against Cleveland.  I mostly approached it in terms of saying what I 
>thought Holmgren would do.  But I think if I was the coach I'd start 
>Majik against Cleveland.  My reasoning is that I'd want to find out if 
>the team is 2-1 since Majik got hurt is because Favre is the better QB 
>or because the team is playing better now.
>

If I were coaching the Packers I would continue with Favre as the
starting quarterback.  He has shown the confidence and arm strength
that Majkowski has not this year.  Favre is playing with much the
same confidence that Majkowski played with in 1989 and the rest of
the players are responding to it.  I don't think it's a coincidence
that the Packers play has improved since Favre has been the starter.

Holmgren has already said that he "doesn't necessarily believe that
a starter does not lose his job due to injury".  I believe he will
also stick with Favre.  Holmgren's left little doubt that Favre is 
his quarterback of the future and Favre is already doing more with
the offense than Majkowski.


-Todd
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hail to the Redskins
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:37:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct13.182115.18014@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.135802.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>             I think Coach Gibbs was showing some class. Besides, if the
>>two teams play against each other in the near future that would be just
>>what the broncos need to get fired up.
> 
> The two teams will only play against each other in the near future in
> Pasadena.
> 
> 
> -- 
>                                           Edward Lor
>                                           lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                           

        I was talking about another season. These two teams are in 
different conferences so they don't play each other often. It was just
an after thought. Although, I still believe he didn't do it because
Gibbs has class, like Don Shula.

                                 -doug THE dolfan-
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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: A Bet
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:25:41 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bw4GKL.LnI@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
> I've just noticed a "bet" made between two individuals dealing with the
> Viking/lions game. I myself would like to make a "bet" of sorts also:
> 
> This goes out to any Bills fan, any dolphin fan may also join in.
> The bet is simple. I proclaim that the Miami Dolphins win the AFC East.
> Any Bills fan who wishes to stand up for his/her team and bet otherwise
> may. However, who ever is wrong must announce so on this news group and
> not be allowed to post ANYTHING on this newsgroup until the Super Bowl 
> is over.
> 
> This bet is null and void Sunday Morning.
>     _____________________________________________________________________
>    |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
>    |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
>    |_____________________________________________________________________|

     Sounds like an interesting bet. I wonder if Mr. Evans, from the Buffalo
area will respond. I officially take the challange and will take this op-
portunity to say I hope there are alot of Buffalo fans who don't have chips
where there you know whats should be. This is a great idea. The way I see
it is that Miami has the inside track in the race but Buffalo is in no way
out of the race. They could easily win the division. At least there would be
one less group of people woofing during the play offs.
     So let me take the oath:  
                              I (insert name here), doug THE dolfan, proclaim
that my beloved Miami Dolphins will win the AFC Eastern Division in 1992. If
the Dolphins should fail in said task I will terminate all posting to this
group until after the final second ticks off in SB XXVII.

                     signed:  doug THE dolfan


       As a side note, if any team clinches the division before the regular
season is over the bet will go into effect Immediatly. This means that
any fan with balls enough to back their team might be silenced before the
end of the season.
                             -doug THE dolfan-
From: kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu (Kenneth W. Crist Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: We ARE Part of the team
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:42:35 GMT
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <Adriene.82.0@Yale.EDU>, Adriene@Yale.EDU (Adriene Nazaretian - GO GIANTS) writes:
> 
> We help psych the team up, we are there for them, as much as they are 
> for us.
> 
> Broadcasters are another story, because they are supposed to be impartial.

	I disagree to some degree. It all depends on who the announcers are.
If they are employed by a network, such as CBS or NBC to do regional or
national games, yes they should be impartial. But, if they are employed by
the team to do games, then they don't have to be impartial.
	For example, unless Summerall and Madden are doing the Redskins
game on CBS (and not always then), I never listen to the television
broadcasters, but listen to the Washington Redskins Radio Network announcers
of Frank Herzog, Sonny Jurgensen and Sam Huff. I have heard some people say
that these guys are partisan, well, they're supposed to be. The work for
the Redskins when doing these broadcasts. It is all part of the pleasure of
being a Redskins fan to listen to these guys. Herzog is a decent play-by-play
man, and has an excellent voice for the job. Huff is there to talk about
defense (and why any West Virgina player is the best) and to argue with Sonny
as to why the defense is more important thant the offense. And Jurgensen is
there because he is the best there is at analyzing what an offense will do
in any situation and is right at least 9 out of ten times. He is much better
than any of the TV analysts and his vast knowledge of the game shows why he
was one of the best QBs ever to play the game.
	And, partisan as they may be, they still will criticize the Redskins
for bad playing (especially Huff who hates shoddy tackling) and will praise
opposing teams for good performances. So, you can have your "impartial"
broadcasters, me I'll listen to local guys because they add to the atmosphere
of being a fan.

						Ken Crist
						kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu
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From: rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars)
Subject: Return to Normalcy in the AFC Central
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:58:04 GMT

1. Houston
2. Pittsburgh
......

Can anybody give me some details on the Bengals-Oilers game?

Cheers,
der ricker
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rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins #1
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:05:19 GMT

v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>As for the Dolphins, can you say 5-0 and the only undefeated team in the NFL.
>Of course they have a tough game against the Patriots coming up.:]

Quote in today's paper:

	"We have to realize that we are 5-0 but we
	are not God's gift to football."

			-- John Offerdahl

I watched most of the Niners-Pats game and I hope Don Shula makes
the Fins watch it, too.  A perefct example of how over-confidence
against a weak team will put you in a hole.

Are the Fins the best team in football now?  Hardly.  I wouldn't
bet the house on their chances against the Niners, Chiefs, Eagles,
Oilers, Cowboys and even the Bills if they were playing them next
Sunday.

But they *are* better than last year, and potentially also better
than the 1990 team.  When they put it all together, they look great.
But they just have to keep it up for more than one quarter at a
stretch.

Like the people at Berkeley say:  Work hard, Dolphins!  Be diligent!


--Gidi (go patriots)
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:05:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Oct5.085434.661@totaltec.com>, mark@totaltec.com writes...

>In article <1992Oct2.152935.1623@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>> 
>> Companies *compete* against each other.  NFL teams, in reality, do not
>What REALITY are you refering to? I watched some games yesterday and the
>teams were definitily competing against each other!

Sheesh!  You deleted the rest of the message where I explained this 
very carefully for numbskulls just like you.  NFL teams do *NOT* 
complete financially.  They share revenue, they have one commissioner, 
they are all part of one league.  The illusion that they are competing 
companies is caused by the fact that they compete on the field.

You want to know what reality I'm talking about?  I'm talking about 
the reality of the balance sheet for each team.  What you watched on 
Sunday is a *GAME*.  Get it?

If you still believe that NFL teams are competing companies ask 
youself this: Would a team be better off if they somehow managed to 
drive the rest of the league out of business?

JGH
From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: AFC's best in 1985(was John Elway's Comebacks)
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:13:48 GMT
	<1992Oct7.031601.27844@PacBell.COM>
	<1992Oct7.173726.6687@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
	<1992Oct7.180724.3495@ncar.ucar.edu>
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <1992Oct7.180724.3495@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:


>Were it that this was true. New England was not the best AFC team in 1985.
>Miami was, but NE got the right bounces of the ball, and Miami had an off
>day, ergo, NE faces Chicago in the SB and gets killed. Pity Miami played
>poorly, and NE just good enough, because a Miami-Chicago rematch would have
>been a killer game. Remember, Miami cost Chicago a perfect season with the
>win on MNF.

IMO, Miami was not the best team in the AFC in 1985 because of their defense.
They were horrible against the run. The week before Miami played NE for the
AFC championship, Miami played Cleveland, who were an 8-8 team that year.
The Browns racked up a 21-0 lead in the first half totally running over
Miami's defense. Miami barely won the game. They had to rely on some Marino
last minute heroics. In the AFC cahmpionship game in 1985 the Pats ran up
a big lead and shutdown Marino's offense intercepting him repeatedly. If you
look at Marino's stats against NE you will see he has had his worse games.
The Pats defense, special teams, and running attack beat Miami. It was not a 
case of 'The rignt bounces of the ball'. The Pats forced 6 turnovers in
each of their 3 playoff games leading up to the SB.

Us Pats fans have to protect the teams few accomplishments :-)

Concerning that Miami victory over the Bears, Combine McMahans(sp?) absence
from the game(or had limited snaps), his replacement(Tomzak?) did
not play well, a loud Orange bowl crowd, and Marinos quick release and you
have a victory. 

The Chicago defense of 1985 was the best I have ever seen. They shutout their
two playoff oponents leading to the SB. I believe that is an NFL record.
Marino's quick release might have made the SB a little closer, but the
best team in the AFC in 1985 was either the Pats of the Raiders.


>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF


Chris Martel			cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Clearpoint Research		cpm@cpoint.UUCP
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