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From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re:Vlad?
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:53:36 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

rgoldberg@vax.clarku.edu writes:

> Vlad the Impaler, aka Vlad Tepes, aka Dracula,  is one source of the Dracula 
> story by Stoker and of Vampire legends in general.  He was a 14th or 15th 
> century prince of Wallachia and got his nickname, Tepes (the impaler) for his
> winning diplomatioc style.  His father was Vlad Dracul, and Dracul meant both
> Dragon and Devil at that time.  Dracul was a knight in the Order of the 
> Dragon, which fought the Turks.  It is not known which definition people were
> referring to when they nicknamed him Dracul.  Dracula means "Son of Dracul". 
> For more info, read "The Vampire"  (or is it "Vampires") by Montague Summers 
> or "In Search of Dracula" by McNally and Florescu.

     It's 'Vampires, their kith & kin' -- by Summers.....good read, too.
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From: jad44314@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Janet A Dornhoff)
Subject: Mainstream Vampire Music
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:04:27 GMT

The earlier discussion of vampire music seemed to be focusing on 
groups who use vampires as a gimmick, and are hardly subtle about
it.  However, most of the vampire lyrics I've collected are from
mainstream, Billboard type artists.  A few of them require a bit of
a streatch (although most are surprisingly blunt about it), such as
"Take Me Home Tonight," which I didn't notice until hearing it right
after reading the scene in _Interview With the Vampire_ in which
Claudia is drained.  Give these a listen if you've never thought
about them as vampire songs before...

"Forget Me Not" by Bad English
"New Sensation" by INXS
"Don't You Know What the Night Can Do"
"Wait For the Sunrise" by Richard Marx
"London" by Queensryche
"The Ecstasy of Flight" by Chris De Burgh
"Take Me Home Tonight" by Eddie Money
    (the original "Be My Baby" might fit, actually :)
"Still of the Night" by Whitesnake
"State of the Heart" by Rick Springfield  (anyone else remember him? :)
"The Wolf" by Heart
"I Love the Night" and "After Dark" by Blue Oyster Cult

That's all I can remember off the top of my head...I know my list 
included a bunch of Duran Duran and another Queensryche, but I can't
remember which right now...

Anybody got any more songs everybody's heard that have a hidden meaning?

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From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:27:14 GMT

long spoiler deleted

In regard to the three female vampires, we meet them one more time in the book
when Van Helsing and Mina are in Transylvania near Dracula's castle. Van
Helsing has protected himself and Mina (who is becoming more and more vampiric)
by a ring of host (communion wafer) and the three come and try to tempt Mina
and Van Helsing to come out of the circle. They don't go, of course.

I am glad that you, too, think that the book says that Dracula wanted to use
Mina as revenge.  Also, I agree that Mina is a strong woman in the novel and
that's why she survives.

Tracey
From: lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: A little more on Vlad
Keywords: blood
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:14:46 GMT
Organization: UB


	IMHO Vlad Tepes, aka Vlad the impailer, aka Dracula was a part of 
the basis of the Stoker Vampire, because it is said that he would eat his
dinner while the people were being impailed.  I know that doesn't appear
to resemble a vampire, but the fact that he let the blood of the people
being impaled drip down on his plate would.
	Just adding my 2 cents worth.
-- 
	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission"
						Michael Lamanna
						S.U.N.Y at Buffalo
lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: re: FFC's Dracula (some spoilers)
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:56:51 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <1992Nov16.090512.5938@wixer.cactus.org>, thorfinn@wixer.cactus.org (Thorfinn Einarsson) writes:
|> Given the circumstances, I supported Mina's decision to join Vlad 
|> in eternity. It's her lives after all. Near the end,I found myself openly 
|> cheering on Dracula. And at the end of the movie, I found
|> my eyes full of tears. FFC has transformed the evil, sinister Un-Dead
|> arch vampire into a tragic hero for the 90's. This movie transcended
|> horror and became a very sad love story. I walked away from the theatre
|> with a sort of empathy towards Dracula and Mina. 

But do you agree that the interpretation of Stoker's Dracula is
realistic??  A friend and I had a long debate about whether there
were an tragic hero elements in the original Dracula, I claim
there are.  This is based on the statements in Stoker that Dracula
had been a noble, defender of the church, goodness, and the American
ways etc etc.  Further the nature of vampirism is that it is a sort
of trap or disease as presented by Stoker, capturing and tormenting
ones soul for all eternity by forcing your body to perform these
evil acts.  Other pointers to the tragic view exist.  What does
everyone else think?

				- Jeff
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Impressions of the REAL thing...
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:25:16 GMT
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


To get started, I'm a bit... hung up on the vampire subject.  I've spent
a CONSIDERABLE amount of time doing research on real-life sightings and
the vampire myth/reality.
	As such, I'd like to know what the majority of those who DO put
thought towards vampires believe about the possibility and traits of the
REAL creatures (should they exist).

My opinions:

Yes, vampires of one sort or another have lived in history.  Too many seperate
regions of the world have vampire mythology to discount the beings as 
Hollywood hunters -- movie monsters.
Hollywood did, however, expose the populance to the myths... even if the 
myths presented do not follow recorded "facts."

A) Vampires are undead.  Possibly.  Diseases once plagued Europe where an
	infected person would drop into a deep coma -- all but indistinguish-
	able from death.  People were buried ALIVE (some graves, once people
	became aware of this malady, were outfitted with pullchains and bells
	to signal the outside world for help).  I, personally, believe that
	a MAJORITY of historic vampires were these diseased individuals
	driven hysterical and insane from claustrophobia and lack of 
	oxygen to the brain.  Too many cases, again, of violent-death
	vampires exist to discount.

B) Vampires only come out at night/suffer terribly in sunlight.  Nope.  This
	was a Hollywood movie tactic to make the creatures seem more
	sinister/evil.  Nothing on record (that I've found, anyway) supports
	the allergy theory.

C) Vampires can change into a bat.  Again, a plot device to make the vampire
	look bad.  According to some sources, Vampires DO possess the ability
	to change into wolf-form, though.  It's probable that the mist
	idea originated in an area with lots of fog -- a quiet man
	could attack and escape virtually undetected -- like becoming part
	of the surrounding mist.

D) Vampires must receive permission to enter a house.  No plausable reason...
	According to one mythos (middle European somewhere... the exact 
	region escapes me at the moment...), Vampires would bang on people's
	windows until the curious person opened the shudders and got attacked.


Ugh.  I could go on all night, but I have work to do.

Let's see what YOU'VE got, folks...


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From: cs300011@scs.carleton.ca (Ross Bellinger)
Subject: Re: How to watch FCC's Dracula!
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:20:06 GMT


   I just saw Dracula last night and must admit being pretty disappointed with the whole thing.  Didn't strike me as taking any sort of a stand on anything, and rather stayed on the fence of horror/comedy/love story.  The horror was downright dull (the only scare I saw in the whole movie was near the end when Drac was with Mina in the asylum and the good (?) guys came barging in...).
 
    The love story bit was rather strained, and I think a lot more develpoment could have been done between Drac and Mina (she seemed to be just a little too dumb to be a school teacher... reminisent of the period perhaps...).
 
     The humour aspect was amusing in parts, but I would have prefered a more intense Van Helsing rather than the humorous fool he seemed to be...
 
   Anyhow, did anyone else feel a little confused in the end?  Perhaps I read a bit too much into things, but I got the oddest impression that the vampirism which affected Drac was actually a gift from god so he could be reunited with Mina (well whatever her name was in her pervious life...).  I recall the scene where Vlad grew angry at his wife's death and demanded "Is this how god reweards me for protecting his church?".  Then he becomes a vampire...  In the end, it seemed like god took him back (the pai



nting on the ceiling in his castle made it looke like Drac was an angel...).  Could god have made Drac a vampire to make up for taking his wife, just so he could see his wife again in a later life?  (if all this sounds confusing don't worry, I tend to babble...).
 
 
   Did anyone else see any significance in the death of Lucy?  I thought it was kind of funny that she died as Mina married Harker...  Lucy's blood flowed in the bedroom about the same time Mina and Harker would have been consumating their marriage...  (I'd kill to ask FFC if there was some hidden relevance there...)
From: kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Thanatos just said :
>>What then, O mighty poo-bah, _is_ the end all and be-all of vampire mythos?

First of all, I never wrote that top part about RPG's and that stuff!
Stop flaming on me when I didn't even write it bud.

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From: mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON  CHRIS L           )
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: vampires
Date: 23 Nov 1992 07:46:43 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Is anyone reading this a real vampire?  Has anyone ever seen one?

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Mainstream Vampire Music
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:50:50 GMT

In article <BxuJA0.5LF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v105r6we@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (VAMPIRE) writes:
>
>     How about "of Wolf and Man" by metallica, sounds like its about
>werewolves, but could apply to vampires as well.
>
>                                        Da Blisster
Not so much except of course when a vampire changes its form, but I think
Hetfield was thinking only of werewolves.

On that note (ha ha ha) how about "Countess Bathory" by Venom from BLACK METAL
(1982 Neat Records) and "Vampyr" by Cronos from DANCING IN THE FIRE (1990
World Of Hurt Records), "Waltz The Night" by Angel Witch from SCREAMIN' N'
BLEEDIN' (1985 Killerwatt Records), "Love At First Bite" by Girlschool from
TAKE A BITE (1989 GWR Records), "Love Bites" by Judas Priest from DEFENDERS
OF THE FAITH (1984 Columbia Records), and a bunch of others I can't think of
right now.

philip
Philip Wang
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<1992Nov17.170037.24914@ll.mit.edu>
	<flar.722055897@vincent2.iastate.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:30:33 GMT

In article <flar.722055897@vincent2.iastate.edu> flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:

   Oh, I hate to ask, but what in the bloody heck was Dracula doing turning
   into a werewolf?????  I just don't get it.....

In the actual legends (as opposed to subsequent fiction), the
distinction between vampires and werewolves (and sorcerors, for that
matter) is rather unclear.  In a few regions, the word used to refer
to vampires actually means something like "wolf-man."

Maybe Coppola did his homework, and added bits that weren't in the
book but (he thought) worked well in a movie and were consistent with
the original myths.

--
David Covin                           covin@despair.uchicago.edu
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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the REAL thing...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:31:00 GMT

aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu  writes:
> 
> 
> 
> D) Vampires must receive permission to enter a house.  No plausable reason...
> 	According to one mythos (middle European somewhere... the exact 
> 	region escapes me at the moment...), Vampires would bang on people's
> 	windows until the curious person opened the shudders and got attacked.

Assuming (always a dangerous thing) that someone who wrote articles for a 
gaming magazines Halloween issue did his homework; the need for permission
stems from the Greek version of the vampire (probably a victim of early burial
or just a body that was naturally slow to rot [giving the appearance of a 
fairly whole corpse that shouldn't be whole]).  The Greek vampire would call 
around to houses of the living that it knew in life.  If it was the vampire 
whoever answered the door was in big trouble, but conviently enough the 
vampire would/could only call once in the night, and could not enter of its own
violation.

Ed and I would like to thank you for your support...
 
-- 
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on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
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"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 11:17:24 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth
 <92322.230619JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Nov18.060638.18447@muddcs.claremont.edu>

In article <1992Nov18.060638.18447@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool) says:
>I am curious as to where this hollow fang idea comes from. I've never heard of
>it off the net. Anybody know the original source myth, or is it another of
>these modern innovations?
>
>                                The Fool
>                                    ;-)

Actually, I think it's more like one of those things where it's the images
in the movies and tv shows which determine what you think the fangs are.
When I was younger (about seven or eight) I too thought that vampire fangs
were hollow, because all I could see on victims' throats were two tiny
little holes, which meant that the blood was taken through the two holes.

But later, realizing that it would be damned difficult to fit an entire
four quarts of blood through two tiny holes, I didn't know what to think.

Essentially, A creature that does feed on blood tearing out a chunk of
someone's neck and lapping up the pooling blood may seem innefficient, but
look at most other predators which take on prey their own size or larger.
Unless they attack in a group, there is definately going to be waste.  How
many times have you seen carcasses in the wild that presumably have been
attacked by a single animal and was anywhere nearly completely eaten.

Also, the tearing open of the throat would make it seem more like a wild
animal was on the prowl, diverting attention from a suave young man
whose teeth are picture perfect, unless he gets upset.

Douglas P. Wojtowicz.
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From: myddryn@netcom.com (Le Mauvais Sophiste)
Subject: Altered?? any more?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:49:36 GMT

Were there more than three parts of "Altered" posted? If so, 
i missed them and i would appreciate it id someone would send
them to me or tell me where to find them.
thanks.

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From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Review of FFC'c _Dracula_ (small spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:27:20 GMT

      I lost the article, but someone asked why Dracula took the boat instead
of the train to escape his pursuers.  The writer states that he (Dracula)
could easily have outrun VanHelsing et al by train.
      I've mentioned this before, but nobody has said anything about having read
it, so I'll say it again.  Read *The Dracula Tapes* by Fred Saberhagen.  It asks
(and answers) this very question.  It also answers another question:
How does a metal sword manage to kill an immortal vampire?
                                                         Glenn
P.S.  Saberhagen says the cross does nothing to Drac because he is Catholic.
      Rather, it offends him to have the holy relic used in such a profane
      manner.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:22:01 EST
From: <BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
 <92317.223522JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> <BxnBC6.AHA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

To the person who said that Dracula didn't lust after Mina but just used
her for revenge:  Personally i think you are very wrong, Dracula loved her
very much, she was(or at least looked like) the reincarnation of his wife
who was the only person he cared for.  Plus, it was her death that pushed him
to become a vampire.  The scene where she drinks his blood proves that.  He
tries to stop her once because he loves her too much.  And at the end when he
asks her to kill him, he does it out of love, and because he has seen what
death is like and wants her to live...
From: msubu@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr E D G Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Eric the super annoying
Date: 22 Nov 1992 20:27:59 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <22NOV199200173706@rigel.tamu.edu> mcr0193@rigel.tamu.edu) (Blitzkrieg) writes:

>Now for a question that actually pertains to vampires:
>
>Does anyone know where the oldest legends of vampires originated? I've heard
>that there were vampire legends dating to ancient Egypt, but I've never read
>anything of this nature. Does anyone know?
>
>Matt

	Sounds like the background to the 'Vampire' books by Anne Rice to
me...  (For anyone who still hasn't heard of these, they are 'Interview with
the Vampire' 'The Vampire Lestat' 'Queen of the Damned' <I think>)

	Regards,
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From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Subject: Re: Dracula Criticism
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:35:32 GMT

In article <flar.722548004@vincent2.iastate.edu> flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
>In <By3rIn.GHu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:
>
>>      Someone has just said that they did not feel the movie was acurately
>>titled by calling it Bram Stoker's Dracula.  I beg to differ.  Let's get to
>>the actual semantics of the wording.
>>      First, there can be no Dracula other than Stoker's.  You see, Stoker
>>copywrited his book and, consequently, the nam,e of the title character.
>>Dracula is and always will be Stoker's.  Therefore, the movie is acurately
>>titled as Bram Stoker's Dracula.  
>
>I guess my first question is, how long does a copyright stay in
>existence????
>
>Plus, there have been other dracula movies of that title that did not
>have Bram Stoker attached to it......hmmmmm
>
>>      Second, the movie is in fact about Bram Stoker's Dracula.  It is 
>                            ^^^^^^^
>not about
>You certainly mean fiction don't you?????
Sir. If you are going to criticize people about their diction, please learn 
to properly read a sentence. The phrase "in fact" means "in truth" and is thus
quite correct in this context as the movie is indeed "about Bram Stoker's
Dracula" in that the character Dracula (the vampire, not the historical figure)
was in fact created by Bram Stoker.


>>                                                     Glenn
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