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From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: A question for a TeXnician about \shipout
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:10:53 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <Bu6ILr.MpE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cameron@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Cameron Smith) writes:
> Tom Rokicki's "dvidvi" program can do this.  Just process your
> document in the ordinary one-page-per-page way -- this will allow
> you to get page references right without undue pain -- then use
> dvidvi to gang up the pages for 2-up printing.  dvidvi reads a
> dvi file and writes another dvi file with the pages of the original
> reordered and/or ganged; it can be used for printing booklets for
> saddle-stitching, greeting cards, two-sided documents, etc.  It's
> certainly one of my favorite TeX-related utilities.  You can get it by
> FTP from labrea.stanford.edu (in the /pub directory I believe; at any

It appears (to me) that the sources at labrea have an error in one of the
'#ifdef SHORTINT' cases. In addition, the docs say that the sources are ready
for Microsoft C 6.0. This is incorrect in my experience. 

I ported dvidvi to OS/2 and MSDOS from the labrea sources. You can retrieve
these from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in pub/downloads/ (soon to be moved to 
pub/os2/all/emtex/ ?).  My README describes the problems.  I welcome comments,
bug-reports, and success-reports.

It should be noted that dvi2dvi was recently posted to simtel20.army.mil in
pd1:<msdos.tex>--it claims to be a faster dvidvi (MSDOS only).  

And while I'm here...I also ported dvips 5.49 to OS/2 & MSDOS using the recent
port from Sinha (his port is OS/2 2.0 only). dvips should appear soon in
the same place as dvidvi. You will need Sinha's port also, as mine contains
only the additional files needed (Sinha's port is in pub/os2/2.0/emtex/).

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: riehm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Carl Riehm)
Subject: Changing *some* fonts in LaTeX
Organization: McMaster University, Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics
Distribution: all
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:53:40 GMT

A friend wants to change the normal text font in documentstyle  article
to 12 point, but wishes to keep all else the same size (namely title of
sections, things like "THEOREM", etc.).  Is there any easy way to do
this?    Carl Riehm.

(Or you can reply directly to him:  wang@mcmaster.ca  )
From: ky04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KUN YU)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: dvips bug?
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:01:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I used the following {\def}'s in emTeX with no problem. I can latex 
and preview.

\def\ftir{{\sf F\kern-0.6ex\hbox{T}}\kern-0.15ex\hbox{\sc
                                           I}\kern-0.43ex\hbox{\sc R}}
\def\atr{{\sl A}\kern-0.6ex\hbox{\sc T}\kern-0.6ex\hbox{\sl R}}
\def\ftiratr{\ftir\kern-0.33ex{/}\kern-0.65ex{\atr}}

On RISK/6000, I ran both latex and dvips without any problem, but I could not
get any printout. The HPLJ postscript printer says the .ps file is in error.
What is the problem and what is the cure?

PS: I used dvips5.472. If I just get rid of the new commands defined above,
  printer works fine. I changed \def to \newcommand with no effect. 
 
-- 



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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: ms@lehre23.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Martin Schroeder)
Subject: Is Literate Programming just for the academics?
Keywords: WEB, Literate Programming
Organization: Universitaet Bremen
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:26:41 GMT

I think Literate Programming is quit appealing, but as far as I know the only
large literate programs are TeX and Metafont. 8 years after Knuth's article this
isn't very much. So:
 - Is Literate Programming only for the academics?
 - If it is: Are there any experiences with LARGE programs?
 - If it is: Why?
 - If it is not: Are there any experiences with LARGE programs?

Please answer via posting to this newsgroups (or via email, if you must).

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: u1347@sparc14.cs.uiuc.edu (Michael D Schneider)
Subject: FIG, PSFIG, TRANSFIG... will they work together?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:49:40 GMT

I've read the FAQ and have figured out how to get FIG and TRANSFIG
and PSFIG, and I'm starting to wonder if they will work
together.  I had assumed they would, but there is no mention
of FIG in the PSFIG part of the FAQ and vice-versa.

Basically, I want to use FIG to produce pictures on a SUN
using sunview, then convert those to ps with TRANSFIG,
then neatly include them in my TeX documents using PSFIG.
Will this work?  I would much prefer to use AmSTeX or plain TeX.

Please let me know if this will work, and of any problems I can
expect to run into.  Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: dvips: vptovf program missing
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:15:18 GMT

The documentation of dvips (5.493, for example) mentiones a program
called vptovf to convert the .vpl files generated by afm2tfm into .vf
files. However, this program is not in the dvips distribution.

Where can I find the vptovf program? 

My PS cartridge has some more fonts than there are tfm's included with
dvips and I want to create them and .vf's from .afm's.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: dvips from emtex
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:28:48 GMT

	Has anyone successfully managed to get dvips working
	from emtex on msdos?


	I have downloaded all the stuff from the distribution sites
	and still have the following problems:

	(1) no .pk or .fli files exist - so create them using mfjob
	dvips where dvips.mfj exists

	this created error and emergency stop when romanl.mf or
	some such font was not found

	(2) how can I get the .pk files directly without mfjob?

	(3) even though I set config.ps and set-tex.bat to look
	in the right spots for files, dvips keeps telling me
	cmr10.300pk not found - which is a unix filename
	where is this set?

	Thanks for any help that anyone can provide, because I
	am stuck at this point

	Hema
.
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Latex appendix
Summary: RTFM?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:40:06 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <870PBW84@cc.swarthmore.edu> hpouncy1@cc,swarthmore.edu writes:
>How do I use the appendix command in late?  I wanted to put a table
>at the back of document under the heading APPENDIX A, then sub-title.

A rule at our site is that anyone attempting to use LaTeX must possess
a copy of Leslie Lamport's book about it, or an equivalent book.
Using LaTeX without the manual is impossible.

Admittedly, his explanation of this one (on p. 23) is a wee bit less
than perfectly clear.

The \appendix command says that all subsequent \chapter commands should
generate appendix headings rather than chapter headings.  You say
\appendix once and the introduce the appendices with \chapter{..title...}.

-- 
+ Michael Covington - Artificial Intelligence Programs - U of Georgia - USA 
+ Unless otherwise noted, these are private opinions, not official statements.
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: lasmith@athena.mit.edu (Lones A Smith)
Subject: carlisle@uk.ac.man.cs <-- MIT email can't reach you
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:24:34 GMT



Thus I post my response here:  Could you e-mail me so I can figure out the path?

To David Carlisle,

     (Thanks for your detailed message.) 
1. When I sent in my post to comp.text.tex, I had forgotten that 
I had  long ago separated the comment section from 
enumerate.sty and put it elsewhere.  (You had suggested this course of
action in the preamble.)  Unfortunately, the editor that I used to do
this, I just discovered today, just lopped off the very last indented
line of the file. The resulting style file still formatted my
lists but it labelled all items G or VII   (!!).  Thus, it was hard
to tell that this wasn't an error in the style file.  I have just fixed it.

2. I have tried to get doc.sty last week. On Saturday, someone responded
to my where are you post and told me where in Stuttgart. BUT, it seems
that getting this working requires a lot of time and patience. For instance,
I do not have MULTICOLUMN, which may or may not be needed. The readme file
seems to indicate not, but when I went through the whole shabang, and asked 
it to latex the key documents as outlined, my NeXT (purchased August 1991) 
responded with 

! Obsolete LaTeX release (older than Dec.91).

YET this is the new version, according toyour note, of DOC. To add to the
problems, files need to be put in MAKEINDEX --- perhaps another huge
file that I must get and figure out what to do with it.

What the uninitiated --- as myself --- need is an unabridged account of exactly which files are needed, where they are, and any other warnings
as may seem fit.  I can't for now see myself installing all of this
because I just don't know the bottom line:  WHAT files do I need?
Why am I getting errors? In what order do I install the files? 
I imagine I could experiment a while trying to learn the answers.  If you
have any control over instructions given on these matters, perhaps you
might take this into account.

Prof. Lones Smith
MIT Economics

PS   The enumerate.sty works very well now!
From: "GEORGE WHITE, BIOLOGICAL OCEANOGRAPHY DIVISION"
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: IBM Pennant Systems survey
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:59 AST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

>
> So, if you want to help make IBM's products better, cooperate with the survey.
> (That was intended to be a complete non-judgemental sentence; please
> take it as such.)
>
There is a lot of room for improvement, not just in IBM's products,
but across the board.  In my response to the survey I pointed out that
most of the problems relate to "incompatibilities" between products
by different vendors.  If IBM finds ways to do this better it will
benefit even those of us who don't use IBM products (I looked around;
the only IBM product less than 10 years old in this lab is a
mouse pad left by a sales rep.), both by raising standards for
other vendors and by putting pressure on other vendors to improve
interoperability.  Who knows, they might even come up with something
we would buy.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: deldeen@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Survey (Follow-up Posting)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:22:57 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Dear Reader,

IBM Pennant Systems is interested in how you use various text processing
tools.  We are interested in gathering documents with text and/or graphics
in the following formats:

- TeX and LaTeX .dvi files as well as source.
- nroff and (di)troff output as well as source.
- ASCII text files and the original source (e.g., WordPerfect).
- Postscript level 1 output and the original source.

Please note the following criteria:

- IBM Pennant Systems cannot accept any information or data that is
  confidential or sensitive to your company or any of your customers or
  partners.

- Any samples would be provided on a voluntary basis, without compensation
  from IBM.

Also, send information regarding the storage method used (e.g., cpio, tar,
zip or just straight copy).

Immediately following is a survey with questions relating to systems/printers,
document content, size, etc.  The data that is collected from the surveys will
greatly increase the effectiveness of our product's testing.

Please add any other comments you would like on the survey.  Thanks in advance
for any support you can give to us.

You may send all surveys and documents via e-mail to:

deldeen@vnet.ibm.com
or
You can reach me directly at (303)924-7080

Sincerely,

David Eldeen
Analysts International Corp.
(303)721-6200

----------------------------- Survey Questions ------------------------------

Print jobs

1.  What is the average size of your print jobs (in pages)?

2.  How many print jobs do you submit in an average week?

3.  What is the range of number of pages in your print job?
    From    to    pages.

4.  What is the average number of fonts used per print job?
    From    to    fonts.

5.  What is the range of the number of fonts used per print job?
    From    to    fonts.

6.  What is the composition of the average print job (text, graphics, tables)?

7.  What are the 2 most common formats that you print(ASCII, Postscript,
    nroff/troff, TeX/LaTeX)?

    1.
    2.

8.  What print options do you use the most for each of the formats (ASCII,
    PostScript, etc.)?

9.  What filters, if any, are you passing the output through?

10. How much do you use text (erase the two that do not apply)?
    Always  Sometimes  Never

11. How much do you use graphics (erase the two that do not apply)?
    Always  Sometimes  Never

12. How much do you use tables (erase the two that do not apply)?
    Always  Sometimes  Never

13. How much do you use special symbols (erase the two that do not apply)?
    Always  Sometimes  Never

14. What kind of header and trailer pages do you use (text, graphics, both)?

15. What are your usual default margins?

System Configuration

1. What kind of computer do you use?

2. What operating system do you use?

3. What printers do you use (Brand/Model/Type)?

Background Information

Name :
Address :
Job Title :


Thanks again for your help!!!
From: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@SHSU.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: RE: Help with pagebreaking!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:52:16 CDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:13:29 +22313801 (EDT), Joey Gibson
<aix3!wjg@netcom.com> posted:
> I am trying to put commands into a \LaTeX\ document to cause a blank page
> to be ejected before any text is printed. The reason for this is that the
> way our spooler is set up, when I print to an HP LJ III in duplex mode, the
> first page of the document gets printed on side 2 of the banner page. So I
> want to send a blank sheet first so that my document starts on the second
> physical page. I have tried the \LaTeX\ commands \newpage, \pagebreak[4],
> and the \TeX\ command \eject, but all seem to get ignored by \TeX\ and
> \LaTeX\. If nay one could tell me how to do this, I would really appreciate
> it.

I'm sure that there's a more elegant way to achieve this, but a dirty trick
I've used quite often in getting this accomplished is to simply include:
 \strut \newpage
on the page I want blank.  LaTeX won't break an empty page (or so it
seems), so place something invisible (such as a \strut or a \ ) on the page
to give it something to digest prior to the \newpage.

Regards,   George
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From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Big TeX's -- how hard are they to come by?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:35:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

cameron@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Cameron Smith) writes:

>Are there enough free Big TeX implementation available nowadays that
>I can simply tell someone who's running out of memory to go get one?

I find it hard to appreciate why TeX should not know how to dynamically
allocate RAM on demand.  Does this have something to do with being
written in pascal?  I seem to recall that new() returns nil if
you are out of memory..

In any case, where is TeX implementation going in the future?

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Big TeX's -- how hard are they to come by?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:41:32 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <ROLFL.92Sep11084644@karl.uio.no>, rolfl@karl.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes:
> 
> When Knuth wrote TeX, he knew what he was doing. This is a fundamental
> assumption, and all arguments pro or con should be checked against this.

Hey, my turn :-) I question this assumption.

A very good critique of Knuth's style of programming can be found in
David Gries' response to an Literate Programming example by DEK
(CACM, Vol. 29, No. 5, May 1986, p. 364-369).
    It's interesting to note that Gries did not criticise the concept
of Literate Programming, but the focus on a self-contained algorithm.
Also, since you mentinoned it, my rambling below should not be taken
as a point against Literate Programming. It's completely independent
to that issue.

Even though TeX was written very long ago, the concept of Abstract
Datatypes was already known (after all, Liskov & Snyder published
their paper in 1972, not to speak of Simula's classes). Already then,
it was _not_ state of the art to use global variables all over the
place for the communication between several parts of the program. If
pre- and postconditions were named, at least... The value of
procedural abstractions (ie, communication over formal parameters)
was well known. (Btw: a good introductionary text about this topic
may be found in Liskov & Guttag: Abstraction and Specification in
Program Development.)
    It remains an open questions for me, if one of the reasons behind
not changing TeX any more is the low maintainibility grade of this
code. ;-( (Hmm, at least it seems to be a low maintainibility grade
for mere mortals like me. :-) :-)

--
Joachim

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Joachim Schrod			Email: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Computer Science Department
Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: asnd@reg.triumf.ca (Donald Arseneau)
Subject: Re: need help with a LaTeX macro
Summary: bug in previous \verb-like macro 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.093726.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, hank@ducvax.auburn.edu writes...
>There have been several recent posts on this subject. Arseneau's response
>follows. 
> 
>--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu

David Carlisle pointed out a error in my solution:  It always
prints an extra trailing brace!  Here is his fix:

\def\Term{\bgroup \tt \let\do\@makeother \dospecials \makeactbraces
           \def\@empty{\char`\}}}

\begingroup
\catcode`\(=\catcode`\{ \catcode`\{=\active
\catcode`\)=\catcode`\} \catcode`\}=\active
\gdef\makeactbraces(\catcode`\{=\active \catcode`\}=\active
  \edef{(\bgroup\string{)\def}(\egroup\@empty))
\endgroup


Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: texsis.
Keywords: texsis. texsis.fmt trouble
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:42:07 GMT

g8231233@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew Warner) writes:
 > Secondly I have a problem with TeXsis.
 > It will (or it appears to) make itself alright but when it is run it can't
 > find the texsis.fmt file even when it is in the directory that texsis make
 > stuff put it in in the first place.
 > Andrew Warner
 > warner@sci.uow.edu.au

You don't give enough information to diagnose the problem but something 
in the following may help you. Please note that (i) a format file is not 
automatically loaded just because it happens to be around, (ii) "make"
only does what you ask it to in Makefile... So, a few things could be off.

First, is the command "texsis" recognized? (I assume so, but this is the
first thing to check.) If not, where have you kept it? Is that directory
specified in the "path" variable in your .cshrc?

Second, is "texsis" a link pointing to VIRTEX? (Go to the directory where
"texsis" is kept and run "ls -l texsis". For example I get:

   yukawa% ls -l texsis
   lrwxrwxrwx   1 trivedi  21 Jul  5 23:51 texsis -> /usr/local/bin/virtex* 
                                                )
If so, then whenever you run VIRTEX (via the link "texsis") it will look 
for the format file texsis.fmt in the directories specified by the variable
TEXFORMATS. Therefore,

Third, what does your TEXFORMATS variable contain? Run "echo $TEXFORMATS"
and see what is specified there. For example, I get

   yukawa% echo $TEXFORMATS
   .:/home/trivedi/Tex/formats:/uns/lib/tex/formats:/usr/local/lib/tex/formats

   This tells VIRTEX to first look in "." (the current directory),
   failing that in /home/trivedi/Tex/formats (my own .fmt files),
   failing that in /uns/lib/tex/formats (some "unsupported" FTP'd stuff),
   and finally in /usr/local/lib/tex/formats (the official system stuff)

If you continue to experience problems, after an honest effort :-),
feel free to contact me via e-mail. The official contact address for
TeXsis is texsis@lifshitz.ph.utexas.edu; you can contact them too.

Good luck!

-----

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: Big TeX's -- how hard are they to come by?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:12:09 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <PCG.92Sep12221620@aberdb.aber.ac.uk>, pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
> 
> For some bizarre reason he thought that new() would not be available
> everywhere, so he avoided its use,

When I read this sentence, I really started feeling old (and I'm just
30...)
    11 years ago, when we first installed TeX, new (and especially
dispose) were not reliably available in many Pascal compilers.
Especially the behaviour of new in the case of memory shortage (ie,
if the heap is full) was almost never correct. Or the heap ran into
the stack and overwrote local variables without any warning. Etc.

At this time, it was a very good decision not to use new.

> I really hope at times that Knuth's TeX just went away. Pascal is
> passe`, the subset he used is too restricted, and literate programming
> may not be that great an idea...

Can you please explain me what this last shot has to do with the
topic? What has literate programming to do with Pascal, or with
Knuth's use of Pascal? Or do you just want to ramble around?

--
Joachim

PS: While I agree with you that Pascal is pass\'e (please, don't write
    pass\'e with an accent grave ;-), I don't think that C would be a
good choice nowadays -- for nearly the same reasons.

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Joachim Schrod			Email: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Computer Science Department
Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany