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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:46:45 -0400 
From: Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Arthritis - pain relief?

Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets.dogs: 7-Oct-92 Re: Arthritis - pain
relief? by Jon Pastor@prc.unisys.co 
> While the electric blanket is a good idea in theory, in practice I'm not sure
> that it's prudent.  First of all, dogs chew things.  Second, my experience
> with an arthritic older dog suggests that bladder control degrades, and I'm
> not sure what lying on a wet electric blanket would do.  If you do use
one, or
>  
> a heating pad, do be careful.

Yes, I'd thought about this. I have a wet/dry heating pad but I'm not
sure I'd want to use it if the dog peed on it. :) He doesn't show signs
of bladder problems just yet, though. I'm more concerned about his
tendency to shred things when left alone!

> We used Ascriptin -- actually, a generic with the same formulation -- for
> Fagin for more than a year, supplemented by steroids when he seemed
> particularly creaky.  The reason for using an Ascriptin-like product,
> according to my vet, is for the antacid, typically a Maalox-like compound,
> included in the formula.

I've been using Bufferin, 1/4 tablet twice a day and it seems to be
helping a lot. He was 11 pounds (and grossly overweight) last time I had
him at the vet's. I know he's lost some weight, but I'm not sure how
much. 

Thanks for the advice.

--Barb--
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Malamutes in the Movies
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO:sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au

SC>Hi, I'm interested in getting a listing of the Movies that have Malamutes
SC>appear in them.  So far I know of "The Lost Boys".  If anyone can help me
SC>with this one please email me and I'll post a listing of all the titles
SC>received.

I don't know about movies but Susan Conant has a series of mystery
novels out that always have her Malmutes as the hero's in the story.
They are fun books! She even had one about a murder at a dog show.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
---
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:20:21 GMT

>There's another concept, that having a ``humane'' society sanctions
>the disposable dog, it's institutionalized.  That it affects our
>relations to our dogs.  Kindhearted people are attracted to it
>by the name.  Donations flow in to handle the ``dog problem'' that's
>created.  An institution grows, goes into politics.

It took awhile but I now understand what you mean.  May I
paraphrase:  That euphemisms are used for our shelters, confuses
the real intent and the real possibility that the dog will die
there.  If we renamed shelters, animal kill center, for example,
then people would think twice about bringing their dogs there.

I think that I agree somewhat with the idea.  But what makes you
think that they would not simply release the dog or cat to the
glorious outdoors to be killed horribly by a car or worse?
 
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From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Rottweilers
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:16:29 GMT

I am surprised to not see one single post concerning Rotweilers here....   Any
way, it is the type of dog I am considering to buy.   How are they to live
with?  Are there distinctly different behavior patterns between breeding lines? 

The reason I ask here, is that in every book I've read about Rott.'s it seems I
am reading an advertisement for them.  I don't think I've read any other
shortcomming other than, "They can be dangerous!"  This I'm sure can be said
about any large dog.

Any  pertinant commentary would be appreciated.


				-Matt

P.S. also, has anyone kept a dog like this in the city?
Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:12004 rec.hunting:1731
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.hunting
Subject: FYI for Bird-dog Folks
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:01:06 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



                 Yesterday, I received an advertisement for a new  maga-
            zine  called  The Pointing Dog Journal.  It is being started
            by the person who originally started Gun Dog.   Pehaps  some
            of you with an interest in bird dogs may be interested.

                 If it follows in the traditions of Gun Dog,  it  should
            be  a  good one.  I wrote the check for my subscription yes-
            terday, even though I'm a bit short at the  moment. :)    My
            only interest is the fact that, as a pointing-dog person and
	    a bird hunter, I'd like to see the magazine succeed. I  have
            no  connection  with the magazine or the publisher.  For any
            who are interested, the address follows:

                              The Pointing Dog Journal
                                    P.O.Box 118
                            Des Moines, Iowa 50340-0118



-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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From: mwp@wam.umd.edu (Marty William Peck)
Subject: dying
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:29:18 GMT

My dog, Moose has a cancerus tummor in his mouth. The vet said he
only has a couple of weeks to a month to live. That was almost three
weeks ago. Over the last week he's really gone down hill. Unfortunatly,
because it is cancerus, we will have to eauthinise him long befor
the cancer will acually kill him. This is because, being in his mouth,
the tumor will eventually interfeer with his eating, and is already
interfering with his breathing, and the pain killers will only work
for a little while longer.

What I want to ask is, has anyone else gone though some kind of
slow death like this. When did you decide it was time to finilly
eauthinise him. How did you handle his death. And if you can think
anything else, I'd be glad to listen.
                                        Thanks,
                                         Martyn
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: carpet cleaners
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:32:22 GMT

When dear Sophie, at 147 lbs., was coming into
heat last month, she figured we'd be just delighted
if she'd empty her "first in the morning" bladder
on the den carpet.  What a sweet animal!  Needless
to say we had to get Arnie out of the house, pronto!

I had bought some stuff called OdorMute for kennels,
because you can use it on concrete and dirt areas.
I haden't tried it yet and it was all I had except
for white vinegar.  It also said "safe for all surfaces."

I mixed it up with warm water and sponged it on the
wet spot.  Mind you, warm water on a wet spot REALLY
makes it, well, OBVIOUS!  I thought "OH YEAH, great
idea - the place will smell worse now...."  I placed
a fan next to the spot cause you are supposed to let
it dry naturally.  

It took the carpet a good 24 hours to dry but PRESTO!
NO SCENT AT ALL!  It works with enzymes that break
down the urine.  I also sponged it on an OLD cat spot,
and that had no odor, either!  (I knew the cat spot was
there cause I was crawling around sniffing the rug -
yeah, OK, so I'm weird...)

We have an older solid brown carpet, so if something was
going to show discoloration, I'd figure this would - the
carpet is no worse off from the cleaning.

REMEMBER, whatever you use, DON'T use amonia based cleaners!
This just attracts the pet back to the same spot, since there
is so much amonia in urine.

OH, I got OdorMute through a mail order house - most of
them carry it.
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:22:47 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

I have to admit, hearing "a Sheltie....?  OH!  I know, a miniature Collie!"
kinda grates on my nerves.  :)  But I'm getting better.  I'm a lot more
patient now with people, explaining the difference instead of biting their
head off.  :)  

Kelly...and Opal the SHELTIE!
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Date: 15 Oct 1992 15:15:37 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct15.011841.10602@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>This may sound a strange question, but I'll try and be as clear as possible. 
>
>Are there certain phenotypes that a first-time dog owner should try to match
>between he and his prospective dog?  Phenotypes being certain physical
>characteristics.  Any other sorts of 'traits' to match?   
>
>In other words, do certain dogs go with certain kinds of people?  Or is it
>safest to bank on a mut and maybe get the best of two (or more :])worlds?
>

I think this is a good question.  This is one reason many of us like
pure-bred dogs -- we want to CHOOSE not only the looks but also the
temperament of our dogs.

To be very simplistic about it -- a person who is very quiet and not into
doing things outdoors would probably not be happy with a very lively,
active dog like a pointer.  A person who doesn't like to do a lot of grooming
might rather have a Lab than an Afghan.  Someone who lives in a very cold
climate and wants to take the dog cross-country skiing should consider
the dog's coat -- maybe a whippet wouldn't work for this person.

I strongly suggest you look at Tortora's book about choosing a dog.  He
considers LOTS of traits like these in helping people select a dog that
will fit well into your life.

Without starting the pure-bred vs mutt war, with a mutt you're as likely
to get the worst of worlds as the best.  With a pure-bred you are more
certain of what you're getting.

I'm glad you're being so thoughtful about this.  Both you and the dog
you eventually acquire will be better off for it!!
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers or something else?
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:56:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct16.055621.10656

> 
> I meant to suggest that a Rottweiler is not a good first dog to try to train.
> There are many other breeds that are "softer" temperamented than a Rott and
> would be good obedience prospects - good first dogs to practice your training
> skills on. As for breeds, poodles, shelties, terriers in general, golden
> retrievers, collies, are all "softer" types and therefore easier to discipline
> than a Rottweiler. However, if you want a protective breed, I have found the
> Doberman to be FAR easier to handle than a Rottweiler (and almost as
> handsome).


Really!?   I would not have though a Doberman would be easier.   I guess I
thought they were pretty much bred for aggressiveness/watchdog behavior.  Maybe
I watch too much T.V.   Well, I'd say a Doberman could qualify as a candidate. 
It may be between either that or a Greyhound.   Gonna have to find out what I
can about both.   Don't know too much about eith yet.

			-Matt
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Help: Bedtime growling
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:35:51 GMT

> 
> Anyway, our dog typically falls asleep on the couch
> before my bedtime (I'm watching TV on the couch).  We try to get her up
> to move her (by picking her up.  I typically reach
> in and touch her tummy area) and she GROWLS at us.  More recently,
> she's been trying to SNAP at us also.  At first, I thought
> it may be because she wasn't quite awake yet.  But I noticed
> since then that she does this when she is awake.  I haven't 
> it makes it hard to do anything very swiftly (i.e, I'm watching my
> hand so she won't bite me).  This behavior
> is swiftly getting unacceptable.  I think I should be able to
> get her up off the couch.   This is the
> most agressive behavior we've seen from her.

I know exactly what you mean.  Our golden growls when we try to rouse
her when she is sleeping or move her when she is sleeping.  We have
done a few things.

We work on training her that its OK for us to push her around on the 
floor when she is lying down (but not sleeping).  This is done by 
moving her, praising her for not objecting, etc.

The sleeping thing is different because you have to reach down to
pull her off and she does the growl-think-about-pulling-my-lips-back
thing.  We just slip the leash on her and then command her off.  She
jumps off no problem when the leash is on.  She still is in the
mode that when the leash is on, she _has_ to obey - when its off,
she can think about it (our fault).  

The growling isn't real aggressive - I think its just a complaint.
Plus, she seems to be kind of half asleep when she does it and when
she wakes up, she's happy and cooperative.

-- 
........................................................................
Steve Anastasi	        "Give a man a fish, and you can feed him for
smanastasi@mmm.com       a day.  Teach him to fish and you can tax him!"
St. Paul, Minnesota                 - hey, I wrote it!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Conformation vs. Confirmation (was Re: Dog & Protection)
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:46:17 GMT

In article <1687E953E.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.170853.11345@morrow.stanford.edu>
>    liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes:
> 
>>>                        |  6 Confirmation Titles
>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris.  Those dogs have confOrmation
>>titles, not confIrmation titles.  It proves that they CONFORM to the
>>standard for the breed -- unless perhaps they have all been through
>>CONFIRMATION in the Catholic Church?????
> 
>Ya know, I had been using Conformation for a long time now (for the
>reasons that you mentioned.  But my wife was looking in the book
>"The German Shepard Today" by Winfried Strickland and she used
>Confirmation.  My wife also said that she read something from the
>AKC that used Confirmation.
> 
> 
>So group, which is it?  (IMHO, Conformation still makes more since!)
	It is definately CONFORMATION.  If you saw anything else it was
probably a typo.  It refers the CONFORMING to the breed standard.
 

>Chris Barnes            |     Sonny's Yellar Dawg Dixie SH
>cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |              x
>(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  HR Millercreek's Cash Payoff MH
>(409) 845-4437 (work)   |       (finished MH title at 1992 Nat'l Master)
>                        |
>                        |    She had 10 pups (5 male, 5 female)

	Glad it was a healthy litter, Chris.

--
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@pangea.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:40:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.143243.10580@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.162412.10315@iti.org>, jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles) writes:
>> Rottwilers tend to be around $800. here in Michigan for a half-way
>> decent bred pet.
>
>Damn!  The most expensive one I've ever seen in the (Ohio) Columbus Dispatch is
>about $500!?!  Whassup with that?  Would I be asking for problems if I bought
>one of those?

	I don't know about Rottweilers, but I can tell you a little about the
golden retrievers advertised in the Columbus Dispatch. The price ranges from
$100-$350. To the best of my knowledge, none of the individuals advertising are
in the Columbus Ohio golden retriever club. In most cases, the parents have
not had their hips x-rayed for hip dysplasia, nor their eyes or hearts
checked by the appropriate specialists. I have a friend who is the business
manager of a couple local vet clinics, and she has said that they are having
to frequently muzzle goldens just for routine procedures (vaccinations,
heartworm checks, etc.). When she has inquired where the people purchased their
aggresive goldens from, people have mentioned that they responded to adds in the
Dispatch. I'm not saying that every golden retriever puppy advertised in the
Dispatch will have serious behavior, etc. problems; however, I've personally
seen a lot of dogs which were sold as goldens for the type of prices mentioned
in the Dispatch which appear to be golden mixes, at best. In Central Ohio,
good quality pet goldens sell for around $500 and they usually are sold with
guarentees.
	Again, I don't know about the local Rotties, but in goldens, you do
get what you pay for usually.
	Have you tried calling the Central Ohio Kennel Club breeders referral?
They're in the yellow pages under pets. Perhaps they could refer you to a
good Rottweiler breeder. Good luck in your search! I've always admired
Rottweilers, but they're just a little too much dog for me!

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who also do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a very cute Norfolk terrier puppy
********************************************************************************
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From: ala1@midway.uchicago.edu (Arnie Aronoff)
Subject: Jack Russells
Followup-To: Jack Russell Terriers
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:17:44 GMT

To the best of my knowledge, Jack Russells are indeed not recognized as an
official breed by the AKC.  However, I believe that they are recognized as
such in Britain, which is where they originated.

Jack Russells have become increasingly popular over the past few years. 
You see them on commercials all the time.  I know there are Jack Russell
clubs in the U.S.  but I don't know about Canada.

I don't think that you are in for any major surprises with a Jack Russell
if you are used to Cairns.  I would expect just more of the same--with more
intensity.  They are great dogs.  

We have a smooth fox terrier--very close in disposition to Jack Russells
and sometimes confused with them in appearance.  They are plucky, fearless,
energetic, always alert and inquisitive.  They insist on being part of
whatever you do.  They require constant training and vigilance by the
owners and they love to challenge for higher position in the pack order.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Pees when excited
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.175432.322@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>
>Suggestion:  *BEFORE* visitor walks into house, tell puppy, "Sit."  Dogs can't
>pee sitting down.

Want to make a bet?? :)  I have a similar problem with my dog -- i.e.,
uncontrolled peeing -- but for different reasons.  I adopted a young
Scottish Terrier approximately 10 months ago.  It turns out that she was
abused by her prior owners.  It has taken me some time, but she is now
coming out of her shell.

HOWEVER, I still have a dilemma.  When she does something bad (for
instance, eating a plant of mine or pooping on the floor), I have no way
to reprimand her without causing further damage to the rugs or wherever
she happens to be located.  When I came home and found that she had
totally destroyed a large plant, I walked back to the bedroom and found
her in her bed.  Before I even *opened my mouth*, she had peed all over
the bedding.  She knew she had really done something bad, and was afraid
I would beat her up, I guess.  She actually peed lying down.  Just
raised her tail and let go.

This, of course, does nothing for my frame of mind.  I have to turn
around and take a walk or something until I can clean up.  I'm at my
wits end.  I just don't know what to do.  I was hoping that this
behavior would diminish with time, as she gradually became more familiar
with me and more comfortable.  She loves me to death and I *never* spank
her, but she still pees when she thinks she might get it.

Frustrated in Baltimore.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rtorres@convex.com (Randy Torres)
Subject: Re: Help Me Select A Breed
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:47:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

jap2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan A. Pildis) writes:


>Could someone out there in net land help me select a breed for my
>needs?  Here is my situation:

>	- Apartment Living
I remember living in an apartment and owning a 45 pound dog.  That was too
much, very quickly did I find my house when I relocated.  However, I found
that Cocker Spaniels made good apartment dogs and are very easy to train.
I have lots of allergies, and my parents cockers never affected me.

Also the miniture poodles are nice dogs as well.  Like the cocker they will
need grooming.  They are smart and very easy to train also.  Mixed dogs
are also good and the neighborhood humane society  can help you select a
nice pet.
>	- Tight budget
Most dogs do not cost much to feed.  Remember in the long run it is
cheaper to feed Nutra Max, Science Diet, Eukanuba etc. than the grocery
store foods.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: leary@gyramax.rtp.dg.com (Vicki Leary)
Subject: Hypo-thyroid Springer
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:12:32 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

My four-year-old male (neutered) Springer spaniel was recently diagnosed with
having a hypo-thyroid condition, which may explain the persist yeast
infections in his ears, rheumy eyes, and recent lymph system infection 
which produced a huge goiter-type reaction.  The vet is recommending
that we correct the dog's condition with hormone therapy to endure
for the rest of the dog's life.  I hesitate to commit to this.
I thought I'd seek your opinions before discussing with the vet.

Sam, the Springer, is not lethargic in the least; in fact, true to 
his Springer ways, is quite the opposite--hyperactive.  Sam seems happy
though frustrated by persistent itchy ears.  Ideas?

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: wanda@b3.b3.ingr.com (Wanda Worland)
Subject: Thanks for Ridgeback Source Info
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:17:30 GMT


Thanks to the folks for emailing me information
on obtaining a Ridgeback.  I'm posting because
email keeps bouncing back (another computer
mystery).  To the folks who replied, I'm very
interested in getting the names and numbers of
the sources they mentioned, and again many
thanks!