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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Prime Time Debut: The Kiss of Death
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   Terrific Terry Taylor made his debut on the WWF's Prime Time sho on USA
Monday night.  Translation: he will not be pushed in the WWF and will
disappear quickly.  Anyone who debuts on Prime Time rather than the syndies
is going nowhere in the Whiff.  It's the official "Kiss of Death" from Vince.
If you don't believe me, talk to Steve Regal, Scott Hall (although he was
redeemed several years later as Razor Ramon), DJ Peterson, the Headshrinkers,
Chris Walker, etc.  Just as well for Taylor.  His match was horrible.
   If debuting on the syndies is any indication of a push, take notice that
Paul Diamond will debut this weekend on the syndies as Maximillion Moon.  I
do believe it's the same dumb Comet Kid gimmick under a new name.  And also,
brace yourselves: Rance Cassidy, the singing Cowboy, will debut on the syndies
this weekend as well, so it looks like he'll be getting a push.  Lord help
us all.

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Eric M. Chmiel****************************************
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: How to make the WWF better (10 ways if possible)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:40:40 GMT

In article <Bvnu2w.CzE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cadesjar@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Curtis Desjardins) writes:
> In article <BvGzFn.9uH@news.udel.edu> rschwabe@ravel.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe) writes:
> >5. Give Nature Boy Ric Flair a Face run: This is mostly because I want to 
> > hear 80,000 people go WHOOOOOOOOOO!
> 
> What do you mean? 80000 people already go WOOOOOOOOO!  ;-)

  What we have here is a failure to communicate.  Please allow me to
  present the following clarifications:

  Robert clearly stated that he wants to hear 80000 people go
  "WHOOOOOOOOOO!", which 80000 average WWF fans might still do if 
  told that popular faces like Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage
  were going to be supplanted by Ric Flair.

  Curtis points out that 80000 people are already going "WOOOOOOOOO!",
  where we all know that this is the "trademarked," "patented," "signature"
  shout of Ric Flair.

  Others out there may have been even more confused thinking that Robert
  wanted to hear 80000 people go "WOOOOOOOOOAH!", which would of course
  be followed by 80000 people licking each other's faces and pumping their
  arms up and down.

  Still others may have thought Robert wanted to hear 80000 people go
  "WOOOOOOOOOOW!", but if 80000 people were that impressed at a WWF show 
  we'd hear about it on TV during a charity drive. 

> 	McMahon's Golden Boy beating the Nature Boy? You can bank on it if
> 	Vince is booking it. A shame. (you almost had me going with that 
> 	thing about the match going for 45 minutes, though  ;-) 

  Could you imagine Hogan trying to work for 45 minutes?  Even his 
  marathon 20-25 minute match with the Ultimate Warrior was dreadful
  for work.  Flair would have to dance around him like crazy to make it
  appear like they were both wrestling (he's getting some good practice
  with Ultimate Warrior as his opponent, no doubt, probably more than
  he did when had that feud with Junkfood Dog in WCW) and then after
  carrying Hogan for that long he'd lie down for him.  Yeah, really
  something I want to see.

                                                               Herb...
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Bob Backlund on Wrestling Challenge
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:30:40 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

When they were showing the clips of Backlund on Wrestling Challenge,
some music was playing in the background.

Does anyone know what that music was? Its nothing I recognized, but I
quite liked it.

Merci,

Michael
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Espata Isn't Comet Kid, Unfortunately
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:31:29 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Oct2.203823.11471@data-io.com>, jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.162946.1@uncavx.unca.edu> west@uncavx.unca.edu writes:

> #Incidentally, I heard a rumor that Vince was gonna stop pushing that ICOPRO
> #crud.  I wonder if it'll end up like Four Horsemen Vitamins; I understand
> #the Crocketts have a warehouse full of outdated vitamins in Charlotte
                                          ^^^^^^^^
> #somewhere...
> 
> Anybody know where I can get a bottle (or case) of Four Horesemen
> Vitamins? Seriously, I'd like to give them as stocking stuffers this Xmas.
> Also, they'd make great gifts for the seemingly endless stream of
> White Elephant parties that pop up around Xmas.

SURE! Just give your kids outdated vitamins. I'm sure your friends will
appreciate it too. GREAT Christmas gift!

:-)  <---- for the humour impaired


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From: hekunze@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Old (Japanese) videos - review
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:16:38 GMT

In article <1686E768F.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice) writes:
> In article <Bv3750.I9L@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
> >- There was a bit from New Japan where all the tag teams came to the ring
> >  together.  It's supposed to be from 1982, but I feel otherwise now.
> >  The teams included Andre & The Hangman, Stan Hansen & Hulk Hogan, and
> >  lots of others.  The ring announcements were made by Vince McMahon Sr.
> >  and I thought he said he was announcing the "Madison Square Garden tag
> >  tourney."  In any case, the subsequent tag matches had the letters "MSG"
> >  displayed to describe the matches (which were in kanji).  Does anybody
> >  know anything more about this?  Anyhow, it was weird to see Hogan & Hansen
> >  work as team later.  (Since Hansen jumped from New Japan to All Japan
> >  at the 1981 All Japan tag tourney in December 1981, it seems unlikely
> >  that he'd be working in New Japan in late 1982, right?  So I think this
> >  from late 1980 or earlier).
>  
> Don't know anything about that particular card, but I would place it in
> 1980 also.  Hogan didn't tour Japan until May 1980, and at that time
> was teaming with Hansen.

  The tourney took place in October or November of 1980.  I have more
  detail on it now.   The Madison Square Garden singles tournaments and
  tag-team tournaments were held every spring and winter, respectively,
  with the singles tourney starting in 1978 and the tag tourney starting
  in 1980.  The New Japan and WWWF offices had a good relationship at 
  this time, which explains the name and the fact that Vince McMahon Sr.
  announced the opening of the tag tourney I saw.  When Vince Jr. took
  over the show, the relationship with New Japan dwindled because Vince
  wanted more money to send his guys on tours.  New Japan started up
  the IWGP series and dropped the MSG name in the mid 80s.   
  
                                                             Herb...
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Company Men
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:11:15 EDT

In article <1a0d9lINNgnk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij) writes:
 
>>From: mjenkins@ccs.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
>>
>>Probably Verne Gagne wrestled his entire career in the AWA as well.
>
>The judges need some assistance in this one.  Any takers?
 
Verne Gagne was an established star when the AWA was created so he
could be champion.
 
We do have some lovely parting gifts for you, though.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: foleye@CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: McMahon's Drug Policy
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:45:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

In article <1992Sep26.182808.4663@njitgw.njit.edu> jmk9313@hertz.njit.edu (Jason Kaminski) writes:
>I would include in that list Rick Rude, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage (though
>he probably used them a while ago back when him and Hogan were the "MegaPowers",and Ultimate Warrior (now, anyway.  The thing about him is I believe he knows
>how to work, Vince just felt he'd be better as a juicing fan favorite.  UW
>impressed me years ago in Summer Slam when he lost the title to Rude.)  And add
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Slim Jim WIN the title from Rude here?  He
lost it to Rude at WM5, if I'm remembering right.

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits - 10/01
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:40:11 GMT

In <1992Oct3.183555.21624@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:


>> - Butch was fired after missing a TV taping.  

>No more Bushwhackers?  Oh, darn.  :)

I thought Herb meant Butch REED, not Butch MILLER, but I could be
wrong.

Herb! Which one is it?

Michael
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From: rwong@beach.csulb.edu (Robie Wong)
Subject: Re: Wrestling Relations -- Oct. 1992
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Oct2.033620.21903@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:53:13 GMT


>Jim Neidhart and a Hart sister

From what I heard, I believe Jim and "the Hart sister" are divorced.


In homage to the great urn,


The Grand Pooh-bah
From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Company Men
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:31:00 GMT
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Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH) says:

>In article <1992Oct1.111228.17078@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will) writes:
>>In article <1adll6INNkr5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman) writes:
>>>
>>>This is a dim memory, so excuse me if I'm off the mark. I remember a match
>>>rundown of classic cards in something like a 10th anniversary issue of PWI.
>>>They listed the WWF's Shea Stadium card, which had matches like Andre vs.
>>>Hogan (w/Fred Blassie), and the main event being Larry Zybyszko (sp) vs.
>>>Bruno Sammartino in a cage match. On the undercard, I think it listed a
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>successful defense of the WWF junior heavyweight title by Greg Gagne. This
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>was from circa 1980.
>>
>
>	I was at this show.  I remember the tidal wave of sound that
>	ripped through Shea when Hogan _slammed_ Andre.  Andre did 
>	win the match using a "splash" and a very quick 1-2-3 from the ref.  

Thanks for the memory but the original point of this tread was to find
out if there was any wrestler who had been affiliated with a single
federation or promotion.  It has been asserted that Greg Gagne had only
worked in the AWA.  Do you remember if he was on the card that night?

>				John Mastrangelo
>				ice@massive.its.bldrdoc.gov
>

Thanks.
-- 
Just this person's view of netlife.

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From: bdwest@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (PANTERRA)
Subject: Re: WCW Right Now
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Oct 1992 12:56 EST  

In article <BvoMLr.M3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes...
> 
>   There has been much to do about the unpredictability of WCW's booking lately,
>but you won't find me complaining.  Why in the world would anyone complain
>because you can't see angles, match outcomes and title changes coming from a
>mile away?  For God's sake, WCW is currently as exciting as it or the WWF has
>been in years.  Think about it: 
>
	[examples deleted]

>   Not flaming, but I think some people are thinking in terms that wrestling
>should be traditional and predictable, with every angle telegraphed.  I don't
>think so.  Myself, I love the uncertainty that WCW's angles have right now.
>Imagine: I can actually turn on a westling program and wonder what's going to
>happen.  Do you really think Ramon/Flair will beat Savage/Warrior at Summer
>Slam?  I doubt it.  I was skeptical at first, but give it a chance.  It
>really is fun to watch WCW again.


Yes you are flaming, admit it. 

Anyway....

The issue is not of unpredictability, that is not a problem.  The issue is 
something that can be followed and understood. Not choas, which is what the 
WCW looks like now. 

You can have and understandable and followable product with out losing
unpredictability. 

Case in point:  The Steiners have, as of late, been billed as a 
tag team with a return championship match at the end of October. This has 
been going on for a few months now, then all of sudden out of the blue 
Scott is WCW TV Champion.   How in the hell did you get from point A, tag 
team champ rematch to point B, single title holder.  This does not make 
sense.  The way one wrestles for tag teams is totally different than how 
one would wrestle for singles.  It would be more explainable if Scott had 
more recently won or lost a singles belt, but I don't remember him winning 
one when him and Rick were individually going after the World strap.
(I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong)

Barry and Dustin winning the titles is another story entirely.  They've 
been a tag team for sometime, they've one a few they've lost a few, but it 
was much more believable for them to take the tag belts (but still very 
unpredictable) just like the Freebirds beating Doom (yick) than for Scott 
who has not been wrestling single and was not a title holder when he was 
wrestling single (WCW only, folks) to all of sudden beat a man that is 
accepted as a great singles champion.  It would have been different if 
Austin were still champ and Scott beat Austin because Austin often
cheated to win, but Steamboat????

A challenge from the Catwoman, heat deflectors armed and ready.
	Things that make you say...hmmmmmmm
	Is Sam hell different from regular hell?

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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Honky Tonk Man
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:52:37 GMT
Keywords: What's he up to?

In article <910427m.19.718299626@ace.acadiau.ca> 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON MATTHEW MCDONALD) writes:
>
>
>Hey is there a list of wrestlers from the classic years of the WWF (that 
>being the '84-'88 period) and what they're doing today.
>
>Some examples would be Honky Tonk man
>		       George the Animal Steele
>		       Magnificent Muraco
>		       King Kong Bundy
>		       Big JOhn Studd

Saw Studd in "Harley Davidson & The Marlboro Man" (Mickey Rourke & Don
Johnson) on cable (SHO) recently;  he had much more than the usual bit part.
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: TV Taping in Brandon, Man., Can 09/23
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 22:15:29 EDT

In article <1992Sep23.155717.2344@brandonu.ca>
brycerw@brandonu.ca writes:
 
[good match report deleted]
>
>Is it normal to see so many wrestlers come out 2 or 3 (or even 4) times in
>one night for a TV-taping?
 
Yes.
 
>Really ruins it, in my opinion.
 
Well, going to a WWF card for the wrestling is a mistake.  And one only
goes to one of those TV taping marathons to see the angles before
everyone else and to get on television.  But 4 1/2 hours of squashes is
a hell of a price to pay. . . .
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: jmk9313@hertz.njit.edu (Jason Kaminski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: McMahon's Drug Policy
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:28:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

jsteeves@ac.dal.ca writes:
>The guys that have the technical know-how seem to be the ones that probably
>aren't juicing. Ric Flair, Ted Dibiase, Bret Hart, Mike Rotundo, Curt Hennig,
>and many light-heavyweights would be on my list on non-roiders. All
>gifted WRESTLERS.

I would include in that list Rick Rude, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage (though
he probably used them a while ago back when him and Hogan were the "MegaPowers",and Ultimate Warrior (now, anyway.  The thing about him is I believe he knows
how to work, Vince just felt he'd be better as a juicing fan favorite.  UW
impressed me years ago in Summer Slam when he lost the title to Rude.)  And add
the Undertaker to that list.  I think he's naturally that big.  If he were
roidin' he'd probably have more definition.
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Slick Ric always a heel? (Was: Questions...
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:31:19 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1686D13835.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU> MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice) writes:


>Agreed.  I'd like to see Watts try this sort of booking with Ron
>Simmons: have him wrestle, and pin, both heels and faces.

I wish we'd see more of that period. With the disclaimer that, of
course wrestling is fake, I really enjoy seeing two "good-guys"
matched against each other, especially if its just for the show, and
there's no, or little, angle involved.

(After all, doesn't every new champion immediately claim that unlike
his predecessor, he'll be a "working champion" who will defend the
belt against "all comers"?)

And to that end, I give credit to Vince McMayhem, who consistently
matches up faces against faces and heels against heels on cards (well,
more consistently than WCW does....). To wit:  

* Randy Savage vs Jake Roberts on Sat. Main Event when they were both heels

* Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior for the WWF title

* Hart vs. Piper for the I-C title

* Martel vs. Michaels

* LOD vs. Hart Foundation (non-title match when Harts were champs)

* Smith vs. Hart for the I-C title

* Savage vs. Warrior for the WWF title

And if I may step out on a limb, a match of the near future:

* Nasty Boys vs. Money Inc to determine "the number one contender" (I
think they'll both be heel teams, I can't see either of them turning face.)

I think WCW would benefit greatly by matching Simmons against Sting in
a "shake-hands at the end" kind of match. It would help Watts
re-establish good hard wrestling again, and it would help downplay the
angle thing. 

The AWA was really good that matching face/face for big matches. Bob
Backlund got title matches against Rick Martel, and Martel and Bravo
and Martel and Santana got title matches against the High Flyers. And
the promoter in Winnipeg for years, Bob Halliday, loved to make good
matches with no angle involved, i.e. Brad Rheingans vs. Greg Gagne.

<sigh> Those were the days. I miss the AWA <sniff>

Michael
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Subject: Re: Two Questions
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:54:48 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep28.121100.7290@cerritos.edu>, s613012466@cerritos.edu (Robert Vandeventer) writes:
> Two Questions:
> 
> 1.  What happened to Bad News Brown.  Last time I saw him on whiff (WWF), they
> were setting him up for a feud with Hogan (guess how long ago that was :) ),
> and then he dissappered.  

The last time I saw Bad News Allen, or Bad News Brown, whichever, was sometime
last year, in the very beginning of the GWF.  He and the Soultaker, Charles
Wright (now Papa Shango for all you marks out there) were in a short-lived tag
team.

> 2. Could someone tell me the history of Ric Flair.  When he got his belts,
> from whom, who did he lose them to, famous fueds, the four horesmen ect.  
> It's only reciently that I started watching WCW, so I'm ignorant about lots
> of stuff.

Ric Flair:
7 NWA World titles (defeated, in order, Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Kerry Von
Erich, Rhodes again, Ron Garvin, Rick Steamboat, and Sting.)
2 WWF World titles (defeated, in order, Sid Justice and Randy Savage.)
3 NWA U.S. titles (don't ask... before my time.)
2 NWA World tag titles, both with Greg Valentine (and there may be more... I'm
not sure.  In the era that he and Greg won these titles, NWA records are, at
best, sketchy.)
And, of course, too many regional titles to count.

Ric Flair's longest running feud was with Dusty Rhodes.  Almost all of these
occurred during the NWA era, in which bleeding was encouraged.  Since both
Rhodes and Flair are habitual bleeders, the matches between them were, IMHO,
some of the bloodiest matches in singles history.

Flair also has the honour of winning the first World title match in a cage.  It
was wrestled at Starrcade 1983, and he defeated Harley Race.

The Four Horsemen... perhaps the best known wrestler conglomerate in history. 
Four men, and one or two managers, who virtually dominated the NWA's title
scene.  At one point in time or another, all of the following were involved
with the Horsemen:  Flair, Ole Anderson, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Lex
Luger, James J. Dillon, Barry Windham, Robin Greene, Sting, Kendall Windham,
Hiro Matsuda, Sid Vicious.

> Thanx...

Yeah, sure, whatever.


Dan Fielding.

Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:53:15 -0400 
From: Todd Alan Padezanin <tp1e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WRESTLING IS A SHAM !!!!!!!!!
	<Bv96pM.4HB@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Distribution: usa

(some words about the theatrics of pro wrestling, followed by this
statement....)
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
Not to mention that good wrestlers are much more exciting than any
Shakespearean actor I've ever seen.  And the best are better athletes than
any football or baseball player. 
= = = = = = = = = = = = = 

Oh, brother!  I was with you until you said that....

Just to name a few : Dion Sanders (baseball and football)  Rod Woodson
(football, high hurdles)  Dermotti Dawson (football and REAL wrestling)  

Of course, there are many more versitile athletes in both baseball and
football.  And did you consider anything like this?  --Every quarterback
in football gets pounded  (for real....no script to follow so they can
brace for it...) after almost every pass is thrown.  But they'll keep
getting up and running another play.  And at least where pro football
players are concerned, their conditioning is far superior to that of
almost any musclebound pro wrestler.  They don't walk around some ring
and lean on their opponent 10 minutes into the match 'cause they're
exhausted already......they run their asses off, full tilt, all game
long.