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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.032746.27011@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>There was a habit, among Chinese-cu Chinese-ge, to support American meddling
>in Soviet affairs to keep the Soviets in check but to denounce American
>meddling in Chinese-cu affairs.  This blatant discrimination is based on
>racist assumptions, by the Chinese-cu, that Chinese-cu Chinese-ge folks
>are better simply because they are Chinese-ge.
How the heck did you ever come up with that???!!
It's blatantly obvious to anyone, the reason why China would
support U.S. meddling over meddling over your own country, and
it has nothing to do with race. IT'S POLITICAL MANIPULATION PLAIN
AND SIMPLE. China, didnt want an aggressive superpower neighbour to go
unwatched.  Of course they changes tones when you want to snoop on 
them they complain. Nothing to do with race, where do you see race has a
factor?? I just dont know what the hell you smoked!

>[hairbrain economic plan deleted]

That economic plan has about as much of a chance to work as
a military one.  You seem to forget that Japan was driven to war
against the U.S. because the U.S. imposed trade sanctions against
them because of world outcry of their invasion of China. What
makes you think China, will give up Manchuria just like that.
My prediction is they would go to war first.

You also fail to understand that the U.S. have no reason (as the U.S. 
perceive it) to do anything to damage U.S.-China relations as things are
now.  

ven if China invaded Taiwan, which is highly unlikely. What make you think
the U.S. will do anything? Fighting China (with its massive army) on their
turf, ISNT GOING TO BE AS "EASY" AS PROTECTING FOOD SHIPMENTS IN SAMOLIA
WHERE THE TRIBAL WARLOARD HAVE AGREED TO NOT TOUCH THE U.S. FORCES.

Note: the U.S. action in Samolia is commendable, and I am not saying
its easy. But an invasion on China would probably make the U.S. experience
in vietnam look like a pleasant vacation.

RT
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (GJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:29:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko) writes:
>At what cost? I don't know about Taiwan or Beijing, but the Japanese public
>school system isn't nearly as good as many seem to think. 

>Rote memorization, cram school, suicide... it's all way too intense.
>A lot of Japanese kids just don't get many chances to 'have fun' and 
>'be kids'. Many are pushed onto the "shushoku" train from day one, and
>they aren't enjoying it.

When I was a 7th grader in Taiwan, I was so sick of the Taiwanese education
 system that I swore I will never have my children educated in Taiwan. 

The system had all what Japanese kids hate, only worse- we had military
 training at the same time. We were not allowed to have hair longer than 0.25
 inch or would be punished. Boys and girls were separated, and we were not
 allowed to be seen together(even in our private time). For 6 days a week, We
 had to be in school before 7 AM to clean the school(from grass to public rest
 room, which were really dirty) for 40 minutes. If the school was not clean
 enough, students had to stay after school or would be beaten without mercy.

We then stood under the homicide sun for an hour to listen to KMT political
 bullshit. The strength of sunshine in southern Taiwan is at least ten times
of that of New Jersey.  Many students couldn't stand the torture( remember
 we didn't have hair). They became ill or fainted right away. 
It's only the morning torture. We had the same afternoon torture before we left
 school at around 5:30 PM. Then we had to go to cram school to reduce the 
chance of been hit because of an imperfect score in school. Some teachers set 
a rule in their class: one hit for every point less than perfect for every 
quiz. Sometime we had more 20 quizzes a day. We were taking  in average 15 
courses each semester. The quantity and depth of school work was many times of 
corresponding American school. 

The  student life in Taiwan is too painful to detail. Generally, the system
 preserved pretty much the pre-WWII  Japanese system plus political brainwash
that KMT learned  from Communist. You guys have the
 chance to be educated here should be thankful to your parents.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.030827.13697@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.015617.17100@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>For example, if a Chinese-cu moron appears on soc.culture.japan
>>and says that "Chinese are inherently non-violent", you can be sure
>>that _no_ Chinese-cu Chinese-ge will object to that racist statement.
>>Because it is a racist statement, I can only respond in the same manner
>>that I use to respond to a Nazi.
>Dwight's got a good point here, which also came up during a recent SCAA
>party:  people tend to speak up most against stereotypes that are directly
>insulting, and seldom speak up against stereotypes that are superficially
>complimentary.  Thus, someone like jj is much more likely to flame someone
>to a crisp for disparaging white men than he is for disparaging, say, an
>Asian-American man.  Or notice that almost all of the most passionate
>Dwight-bashers are of Chinese or Korean ancestry, since Dwight's diatribes
>are, Dwight's assertions to the contrary notwithstanding, actually attacks
>on *people* of certain *ancestries* rather than on cultures.  (If you actually

No, I don't.  This is slander.

I have never attacked Western-cu Koreans-ge or Western-cu Chinese-ge.

>believe that Dwight clearly follows the -cu/-ge distinction that he makes
>great
>pretentions of following, ask him to clarify what he means when he insults
>someone for having a Chinese-cu *name*.)

I don't insult anyone for having a Chinese-cu name.

Chancellor Tien of the UC-system has a Chinese-cu name, and I have
said repeatedly that we can't tell whether he is Chinese-cu merely from 
his name.

>...

Certainly, most Chinese-cu people happen to be Chinese-ge.  They tend
to make asinine comments, like Mr. Hu's, that "White-ge boys shouldn't
be dating Chinese-ge women 'coz they be ours" or something like that.

Clearly, Western-cu Chinese-ge and Western-cu Koreans-ge would not make
comments like that.  These comments are symptomatic of only Chinese-cu
Chinese-ge people.

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From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: CU/GE  A big question
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:04:16 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

Using Dwight Joe's logic:

What is Chinese-cu?  It is a kind of people who bear Chinese-culture.
Chinese-ge are not all Chinese-cu, and Chinese-cu are not all 
Chinese-ge.  Therefore, any -ge could be Chinese-cu.

Also from some Dwight's post or follow up:

Chinese-cu don't like single eyelids.
Chinese-cu are confused about -cu and -ge.
Chinese-cu ...[can't remember what else, but I am sure there are more]

I can say that killing people is part of Japanese-culture.
Notice that not all Japanese-ge are Japanese-cu.
Furthermore, not all Japanese-cu are Japanese-ge.
So those Germans who killed Jews in consentration camps are Japanese-cu.
And all the Japanese-ge live peacefully are not Japanese-cu.

hmm....

Of course, killing people is NOT part of Japanese-culture.  Question is
how to prove it.  By Dwight's logic, I can't prove it by showing that
most Japanese-ge are not killers, because not all Japanese-ge are 
Japanese-cu.

If anyone find out how to prove killing people is not part of Japanese-
culture, then I can prove that Chinese-cu don't like single eyelids, etc,
are wrong.

I am a Chinese-cu.  I don't want anyone tells lies of my culture.
HELP ME!!!!

Wen
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: LAUGHING about Inter-RACIAL dating
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:28:38 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I am *amazed* at all the debates about inter-racial dating here.
I find it really amusing, watching the heated discussions....and sometimes
wonder if a new newsgroup should be formed:

	soc.culture.asian.american.inter-racial.dating  ;-) )

I suppose that AsianAmericans have assimilated to a high degree,
but because of different appearance dating is considered to be
"inter-racial"  so it gets to be a big sticking point.
When the Irish-race, and the Italian-race  and the Greek-race
became assimilated people over time stopped thinking of them
as races, and so the issue of "inter-racial" dating faded
pretty fast.

This is no joke, however.  There was a time when people *did*
consider all these groups to be different races.  Those Euro's
who were sensitive to race would talk about the Nordic-race,
the Alpine-race, the Turk-race, the Lap-race, the Celtic-race,
the Teutonic-race, the Khazar-race, the Slavic-race, the Anglo-Saxon
(or course)-race, the Aryan-race (that's *really* out of fashion now).
etc.  etc.  etc.  Ocassionally, I still meet people who talk about
these terms, but that's really the exception (people who talk like
this still are usually politically-racist).

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that the conception of race
changes somewhat over time, as is evidenced by all these euro-races
that no even hardly talks about anymore.  However, I am not sure
on the implications of these trends for the "Asian-race" and how
people would feel about altering attitudes on that (like sort of
following the example of Hawaii)

Steve
q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shaw@apple-juice.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Rising Sun by Michael Crichton
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:21:11
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
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In-reply-to: pkwu@is0.is.morgan.com's message of Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:08:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.210854.2810@is.morgan.com> pkwu@is0.is.morgan.com (Peter Wu) writes:
   I'm sure that this must be a moot topic by now, but in case it isn't I
   was curious as to the reaction by those people that read this book.

   I just finished reading it last night and had heard all sorts of Japan
   bashing / racist criticisms of the book before I read it, but I
   thought I'd give him a chance before deciding on my own, especially
   since Jurassic Park was so good.

   My own opinion is that the majority of the comments made by the
   characters in the book are true and it made me aware of what kind of
   position the US is in with respect to Japan.

Having read the book while I was living in Japan, I can say that it was
pretty realistic, especially in its portrayal of the position of the US
with respect to Japan.  For those of you who haven't read it yet, I highly
recommend it -- at times, a little like listening to a lecture, but at
least an entertaining lecture.

I'm afraid that the movie version is going to be completely botched up.
For one thing, the detective in the movie is played by Wesley Snipes,
whereas the character in the book is white.  I like Wesley Snipes quite a
bit, but changing the race of the detective changes the similar to changing
the race of the Jewish judge in "Bonfire of the Vanities" to black.  It
doesn't make any sense, since race relations is such an integral part of
the dynamics of the book.  Needless to say, the way that Japanese view
African Americans is quite different than the way they view white
Americans, and the way African Americans view Japanese is probably quite
different than the way white Americans view Japanese.

Finally, one minor nit about the book which annoyed me -- for those of you
who haven't read the book yet ...

-Andy

*spoiler*


The white detective has a love interest with (i.e. "saves") the half-black
deformed gorgeous Japanese female grad-student who was rejected and
ostracized by the evil, racist Japanese as a child.  Weird, but true.

OK, but there's the tall, handsome, drug-addicted, sleazy, Japanese playboy
who sleeps with all the blonde model-types.  Yeah, not exactly a positive
role model, but at least he wasn't motivated by his adoration for the white
man as a morally superior higher being.  He had his own selfish, sleazy
reasons, and he wasn't portrayed as being a weak character.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:18:36 GMT
Distribution: usa

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In the very likely event that China terrorizes another nation (like possibly
>the Republic of Taiwan in the future), that Japanese prime minister
>can, with the cooperation of the USA, successfully direct its military forces
>to send the Chinese armies to Almighty God.

>Of course, Japan can do certain things to postpone the day when Chinese armies
>are sent back to their Creator.  For example, weakening China politically would
>be one route; this can be accomplished by using Japanese (and American)
>financial and political leverage to force the secession of Manchuria as
>an independent nation whose official language would be Japanese or English.
>Manchuria could then be renamed to somethng like "Shinkoku", and the people
>would be called "Shinkoku-jin".

How would it serve US interests to weaken China?  More importantly,
should the US meddle with the internal affairs of a sovereign
state?  I know it has in the past but I believe that behavior to
be immoral.  I consider myself to be a fairly patriotic American
but I would be quite ashamed if the behavior that Mr. Joe is
advocating is generally acceptable to the American populace.
How would Mr. Joe like every country that did not
share American values and political views meddle in American affairs?

We have no right to IMPOSE our will on sovereign states.  I
feel may persuade others to feel the way we do but not force our
will on others.  Mr. Joe is advocating some serious crimes against
humanity IMO:  Armed robbery on a massive scale, mass murder (I
doubt Manchuria would be just handed over), cultural genocide,
interfering with the internal affairs of a sovereign state,
ruining the economy of a sovereign state by seizing a large
part of its natural resources, etc.

I have come to the conclusion that Dwight Joe is very ill.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: blee@digi.lonestar.org (Benjamin W. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: CU/GE
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:21:37 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

In article underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>But we Westerners-cu, Japanese-cu, etc. know better. 
			^^^^^^^^^^
>culture!=ethnicity(genetics)!=citizenship.  Hence, I developed this notation
	^^
>to make crystal clear the distinction between these 3 separate notions.
>
>Of course, many Chinese-cu Chinese-ge and some Koreans-cu Korean-ge
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>are extremely upset that I would dare to differentiate between
>culture and ethnicity(genetics); they think that these are one in the same.
>So, they refuse to use my notation system; they consider it to be an
>insult that I would dare to separate the 3 notions.  I know.  It's strange
>for them to feel this way, but they are Chinese-cu (and to some extent
>Korean-cu).

Correct my impression if I am wrong, please!
I am a bit suprised to see the above. Note in Japan, any Japanese is
expected to acted in a very restrict social norm that is extremely
Japanese-cu. Even with the emmigrated Japanese, they lived their live
very closely to that of Japan either. Anyone who doesn't follow such
tradition is STRONGLY rejected as a traitor. Who will find himself
isolated and can not find a job! And that is one of the major reason
why immigrants find it extremely difficult to enter the Japanese
society, even a Chinese/Korean with the same looks and everything
except he or she was born there! It seems strongly suggested that
Japanese does REGULATE their culture onto their generations. And
the way I understand, it is much stronger than anything else in this
world. As a matter of fact, if you look at how hard to get a Japanese
citizenship, you will be suprised that Japan is the very few country
in this world that restricted heavily on citizenship acquired by
marriage. That is one of the major reason that Japan can be strong today.
They simply cooperate better and with much more order and efficiency.
Given the understanding I have, I am very curious of what is your
opinion.

Hope I didn't mis-interpreted what you have said. And I tried my
best to follow your symbols and descriptions.

>Have a nice day.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: CU/GE
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:14:21 GMT

In article <IfEwVtq00WBO42JnEB@andrew.cmu.edu>, ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Friends,
>
>..
>
>          Please don't let this Dwight Joe character get you to think
>that he is Japanese. He is Chinese-born, grew up in Nippon and now lives
>in America. When he say, "We Japanese"! Take it very lightly! On s.c.j.
>he somewhat praises Nippon above reality too. He is very intellegent.
>but Very naive and childish too. He like to hide behide this 'corny'
>name. It would not surprize me if he were a White-cu boy(but, I doubt it)

	No wonder he's such a bastard. He doesn't even know who his
father was.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Women & Makeup, was Re: Homosexuality/Bisexuality
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:24:54 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.150808.11296@nynexst.com> Clare Chu,
clare@nynexst.com writes:
>  of fighting stereotypes.  Maybe that's why a lot of us technical
>  type women don't wear makeup.  I noticed that my former boss, wore
>  makeup when she was first hired, and within a month, she stopped
>  wearing makeup.  People take her more seriously without it.  Is this
>  nontrivial?  I think not.  Why should she change because of other
>  people's stereotypes?  Evidently she felt it easier to change her
>  appearance than deal with the implied veiled stereotypical references.

Hey, I prefer women who don't wear make up -- they look more natural.  But
then again, I should be ashamed of that.  I mean, having a preference in the
type of women you date is quite un-PC and there are those who would claim I
have a "no makeup-fetish".

:-)

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|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING about Inter-RACIAL dating
Reply-To: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:32:51 GMT

In article <1763@rwja.umdnj.edu>, jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes:
 The American indians did not have a 
|> concept of property,- a point of major misunderstanding with the Europeans.
|> (& no, I'm not a socialist or whatever....)

Minor point, most American Indians did understand the concept of property. 
They didn't have a concept of owning land.

						Paul Wayner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: pkwu@is0.is.morgan.com (Peter Wu)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:55:48 GMT

Dwight,

I don't know if the US would do anything if Taiwan and China fought
but I definitely don't think that Japan would jump into it.  What the
hell would they be doing helping Taiwan fight China?  Do you know how
much Japan has invested in China?  I doubt very much that they would
do so for humanity reasons.  If you think so .. list their track
record with humanitarian missions.  I don't recall any except perhaps
helping to pay for the Gulf War (which Japan should as it also needs
oil from there).

Also .. unless I've misunderstood your definition of Chinese-cu, there
are a lot of people in Taiwan who are Chinese-cu.  And before you
accuse me of sounding like a Chinese-cu, let me just say that I am
proud to be Chinese (genetic and cultured).  Chinese culture is not
equivalent to China's-political-views, which I don't subscribe to.

I read this group every few months when I have free time and you are
always on this group trying to annihilate just about anyone associated
with Chinese-cu and promoting the Japanese culture and Western
culture like you had a quota to meet or something.

I don't know why you have such a pro-Japan-cu and a pro-Western-cu
attitude.  Just what is it about Japan-cu and Western-cu that is so
much better than Chinese-cu?  What is it Dwight?  I've asked you this
before and you've never answered.  It's not like the western world and
Japan are perfect.  They have problems just like everyone else.  Don't
repeat that stuff about people in China killing their non-male first
borns because I've heard you use it too many times already and I doubt
that anyone in this group who still bother to read your messages in
this group have not already heard it.  It is tragic yes, but it
doesn't represent everyone who is Chinese-cu or Chinese-ge unless you
can say something like "20 out of 100 people living in China say that
YES they WOULD kill their first-born if they were female."

Please do not misquote me to your advantage, you've done it to me
before and I don't appreciate it.  And also .. please keep your venom
short (<50-100 lines) if you expect me to reply.  I really hate it when
you start cutting and pasting venom you've spewed before into a
response directed at me.  At least be imaginative.  There is no need
to recycle here.  Thought is free.

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From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hate Crime in San Jose
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:19:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

... family terrorized by graffitti in San Jose ...

It turned out to be a bad prank by an Asian guy who wanted to get back
at a girl he didn't like. Interesting that now they're not calling it
a hate crime since it was just a prank. Why is it if a KKK guy burns a
cross on your lawn, it's a hate crime, but if your brother does it
as a practical joke, it's OK?