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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 02:16:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: A Lady Called Viv. 
  Quite a few years ago there is a lady about 22 years ago who wanted to kill 
herself.  The space and spiritual people contacted her in her sleep and made 
her an offer she couldn't refuse. They took her to another dimension and 
showed her how good things would be for her if she would give up her body 
for them to use. She decided to take them up on the offer and they made the 
switch. The person that they wanted to take over her body was from Venus.  
They made the switch and everyone was satisfied. The person from Venus was 
called Vivian or Viv of Venus. 
  The first time I heard about Viv she was giving a talk at a UFO club called 
the Universarium Foundation of Portland, Oregon.  Viv showed up in her 
little Voltswagon and made her lecture and everybody loved her. But to back 
up just a bit she didn't do much of anything for the first about 2 years she 
was here. She started her teaching and would talk in front of a UFO 
convention. People would give her a standing ovation.  She was on. I think, 
radio shows like the Long John Nebel radio show in New York and really was 
going over big. She once sent me a tape of her experiences about why she was 
here and her mission. 
  After a while it seemed to her that people started to wanting just to know 
who she was and not what she had to say.  She became sort of disappointed 
with the way people were treating her and sold her car.  She would walk from 
place to place and talk to people in very small groups or maybe just people 
on street corners.
  I would be interested if anyone has seen her lately or if she has gone back 
to her home planet. I would like to contact her if anyone has seen her 
lately.
John Wlnston.
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Where is the navel chakra
Summary: tell me about the chakras
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:18:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In the Hindu and Buddhist literature, and teachers, that I know of, the
third major chakra, or psychic center, in the subtle body/energy body/
aura, is located at about 2 inches below the navel. I think this 
corresponds to the Hara/Tan T'ien in Japanese/Chinese teachings. 
However, all the new age material I have seen, the third center is
located at the solar plexus. In both descriptions they seem to
correspond to the same sort of energy, i.e., power, will, etc.

Anybody got any idea why there is the discrepancy in location?

Thanks,
			Lorenzo
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
From: davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: re-examination of dealing with emotions
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:28:35 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1d6pbhINNv0@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) writes:
>Again, I find "INTO YOUR STATE OF FOCUS" just spiritual lingo for
>"into denial."  We can say our emotional difficulty "dissipates"
>because we tend to define "emotions" as that which we are consciously
>aware of.  But we must consider what really happens to that energy... it
>gets focused into the bodys structure and cellular memory to be dealt
>with at a later time.

  I'd like to jump in here and comment on just a couple of the
things that Steve wrote in response to Toshi.

  Yes, I feel that body structure and cellular memory does, like you
wrote, retains the _memory_ of emotional energy. But memory of emotional 
energy, and the emotional energy itself are two different things. Each
presents their own problems and solutions in the way they are processed.

  Personally, I find "into your state of focus" as defining an actual
process where one can actually doing something (which is getting rid of
it) with the build up of emotional energy. In going through that process, 
*I* have found nothing is being denied. Infact, afterwards, when my head 
is clearer, and I re-examine the stuff that made me angry in the first
place, I often find even more stuff that *I* have to face up to and 
acknowledge. The aspect that drives this inner reflection for me is
_honesty_. And that's tough to do when my ego want's to hide its faults.

  From this place of being, I have found that at least for me, I'm more 
able to deal honestly and from the heart with the stuff that made me get 
into an emotional state to begin with. When I have gone through the cleansing
process, and *if* I'm clear when I do it, I feel that the energy itself 
has been redirected out of my body. What's left is the _memory_. 

  When I am not clear as I go through the cleansing process in redirecting
emotional energy, I have found that there is indeed some energy stored
within the body structure. Things like knots of tension form in my neck 
and upper back region.

>ANGER is a perfectly valid state of being, no?

  Yes I feel that anger is a valid state of being. But not healty if one 
hangs on to it.  It's even worse if one becomes that state of being.
I feel that there's a balance that needs to happen between being angry
and that of hanging on to the anger. And of course, raging anger is when
a person has become really off balanced and though I have to acknowledge
even that state of being as being valid, I also have to acknowledge it as 
being the potentially most distructive state of being there is. 

  So I have to ask myself, even though its a valid state of being, is it
a state that I want to live in, and if not, what do I do to prevent myself
from manifesting that state of being? 




	Ecstatic Love is an ocean, and the Milky Way
	is a flake of foam floating on it.
					Rumi

	David Hatcher



Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Food rules in various scriptures
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:48:25 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: Karma, Meat, Vegatables.

Kathy writes:

>I eat mainly fresh vegetables, as opposed to frozen or canned.  When I
>prepare them to eat, whether raw or especially cooked, I try to remember
>to thank them for giving their life force for mine and for the special
>properties they have to enhance my life.  I try to remain calm and aware
>so that their passing may be easier.  I try to thank the animal who gave
>it's life for the meat that I prepare but this doen't help with it's death.
>I think that the more violent the passiing of life the more negative the 
>vibrations associated with the food and we are effected by them whether we
>are aware of it or not.
>
>I think that the kosher method for killing animals may have addressed
>this, but I don't know too much about it.
> ...

Indeed, the kosher method of slaughtering animals ensures a quick and
painless death.  Any deviation from the procedure (e.g., a knife that
isn't absolutely sharp or its use in a non-standard place or manner)
causes the resulting meat to not be kosher.  Non-kosher meat may not
be consumed by Jews.

Before consuming anything, observant Jews recite a "blessing" that is
not a "blessing" in the colloquial sense at all.  Rather it is a
request to channel G-d's beneficence to the spiritual source of the
item being consumed.

We also have a tradition of reincarnation.  Occasionally beings are
reincarnated into minerals, plants, and animals.  If these items are
consumed or used in a manner consonant with G-d's will it can
positively influence the being's spiritual state.




-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:58:22 GMT

In article <Nov.5.10.44.44.1992.9217@ruhets.rutgers.edu>, farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
> In article <2PBRTB2w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
> <kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:
> <<<Spiritual Intelligence Test.
> <<<(Please answer each question in 25 words or less)
> <<<1) What is the soul?
> <<The bottume of my shoue.
> <Question 1 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)
> <<<2) What is the purpose of human life?
> <<To keepe the soul of mye shoue in goode repaire.
> <Question 2 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)
> <Overall grade: 0%. Try again!
> So, Kalki, does Krsna frown on having a sense of humor?  And the test
> should probably be renamed Ability-to-memorize-ancient-dogma Test.
> do you ever actually laugh? I mean besides at how spiritually ignorant
> the rest of us are.

God must have a sense of humor.  Just look at the world He created.  (8:-) for
the humor-impaired.)

GXKambic
standard disclaimer
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: mirage@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dean Joseph Sanvitale)
Subject: Reply to RE: God
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:49:34 GMT

To: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org
Subject: Re: God
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Cc: 
Bcc: 


I was enlightened by your relpy.  Whether right or wrong, you offer edible
(maybe even tasty) food for thought.

			mirage
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: gorski@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Tom Gorski)
Subject: Re: 28th Oct Rapture: Real Reason?
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:06:46 GMT

Kalki Dasa writes:

>Len B. writes:
...
>> I have yet to find Truth in any religion.
>> 
>
...
>
>God is not cheap, and He reserves the right not to reveal Himself to
>anyone and everyone. Sincerity is what counts. If one sincerely wants to
>find God, then the way will be provided. But one must be serious and not
>back out when the way is revealed.
>
>Yes, the Truth you speak of exists. The Absolute Truth must be
>approached with a proper attitude. One cannot simultaneously desire
>something and run from it. One must be whole-heartedly determined to
>find the Absolute Truth.
>
>                                    Sincerely,
>                                    Kalki Dasa

Boy, posts like these get me damn near every time.... :-)

Though I'm sure the poster means well, and doubtless believe every
word you wrote above, he forgot to add a very important disclaimer,
which might go something like this:

  "By the way, I have yet to encompass this Absolute Truth personally,
  so even though I might believe it profoundly, it may yet turn out
  to be total hogwash.  Let the listener beware!"

Were I to find such a disclaimer, it might serve to convince me that
the poster has some depth of understanding of the workings and limitations
of his personal belief systems, and isn't just playing the roll of a
cheerful drone, pumping out a canned answer.

But I'm not out to restart an "Absolute Truth" thread here, so I better
close (quickly!) with:

  By the way, I have yet to encompass this Absolute Truth personally,
  so even though I might believe it profoundly, it may yet turn out
  to be total hogwash.  Let the listener beware!

--TG

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Pee Wee's Pyramid
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 06:26:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69355@cup.portal.com> <97306@netnews.upenn.edu> <69420@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: It seems like the flames are getting worse. Maybe I had 
better slack off a little bit. From now on out I'm going to be a good
boy. 
John Winston
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 04:05:17 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:

> <What are you talking about?
> 
> What he's talking about is that no one can hear your message, because
> the presentation is much too loud.

You evidently heard it, and "he" heard it. So your statement is
incorrect.

> 
> <What "tarnished vision that most people already carry about ISKCON"?
> 
> That you have given up independent use of your intellect and
> responsibility for your actions, allowing someone else to think and
> decide for you, and that you have become zealous zombies.

What is the evidence that this is how most people perceive ISKCON?

We take it that you, unlike us, have an independent intellect,
are responsible for your actions, and are not influenced by anyone else.
So that your response to our posts was not in any way motivated by the
posts themselves, but was an entirely spontaneous outburst which
coincidentally seems to be a response to us. In other words, you are not
controlled by anything?


> 
> <What "fantasy pundit world"?
> 
> In which you claim to know everything better than anyone else, and
> have completely closed your mind to any real interactions with people.
> In which you have such spiritual arrogance as to claim you have
> nothing to learn from anyone else.

What is the evidence that we claim to know more than anyone else?
(Although certainly we know more than you).
Vague accusations of "spiritual arrogance" do not tell us anything. They
could easily be prompted by simple envy.

> 
> <Is something wrong with "outright proselytization"?
> 
> Not if all you want to do is irritate and alienate people. Not if you
> want to drive anyone potentially interested in your practice as far
> away as possible.
> 

So the only result of outright proselytization is the irritation and
alienation of others? Then you are irritated and alienated? And you are
seeking to get as far away as possible? Why, then do you respond to us?
This is not the act of a person who is seeking to get away.

> <       -------------------------------------------------------
> <      |  Don't forget to chant:   Om Mane Padme Hum           |
> <      |                           Om Mane Padme Hum           |
> <      |                                                       |
> <       -------------------------------------------------------
> 

Do you know what "Om mane padme hum" means?


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      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
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      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 18:03:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Now this is the story of Lone Pine not the Trail of
The Lonesome Pine.
John Winston.
From: kish@charon.rutgers.edu (Kish)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: myopia and spirituality
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:03:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov9.144447.9290@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>,
kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
writes: 

> 
> Hmmmm...  
> IMHO, it's called skepticism.  All that it has
> to offer is insecurity and a way to search out the unknown.  As
> readers know, I am skeptical of much that is discussed here, but most
> of the time I try to do my best to MYOB (Mind my own business) and
> just read for fun.

I'm definitely an adherent of the BYOB school of thought, although
admittedly I tend to indulge in a little too much dark beer once in a
while.  At least I didn't bring any Tequila !

> This is *not* an attempt to begin a discussion of skepticism in
> t.r.na.

Let me apologize for insulting your intelligence with such an obvious
ruse. I guess I'll just have to find a more subtle way to reduce t.r.n
to a bonfire of vanities.

	If only Guru Lethar-ji and Swami Procrastananda would take me
back into the fold ...


Yours in netnews-arson,
-Bill
-- 

PHONE: (908) 932-5026
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INTERNET: kish@jove.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:01:07 GMT

In <68677@cup.portal.com> John Underscore Hyphen Underscore Winston writes:
>Dear Big Foot Trackers: In case I haven't mentioned it before, Big Foot
>love bacon.

There goes my theory that they're Lubovichers.

P.S.  I love bacon.  I wear size 30 (cm.) boots.  Does this mean John
Winston is going to start following me around?  And should I buy a whole
metric wardrobe?  And what's with Perot never blinking?  Is he a
Scientologist?
							-- K.
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Safety during change
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:42:35 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Richard J. Polits writes:

>I found an interesting source of earth changes, The Earth Changes Report.
>It is a monthly newsletter in which a Futurist, Gordon-Michael Scallion, 
>shares his visions of future events.  His prophecies cover a wide range of 
>subjects such as the economy, earthquakes, volcanoes, phenomena, weather, 
>and other happenings around the world.  His published predictions (in 
>advance) about the location and magnitude of earthquakes, and his recent 
>prediction of Hurricane Andrew, really blew me away.  He has put out a 
>Future Map of the United States, time frame 1998-2001 with changes starting 
>in 1993.  The map has most of the western third of the US under water with a 
>few islands in California.  A wide band of water from Louisiana up to the 
>Great Lakes.  From southern Texas around through North Carolina, the 
>shorline retreats 20 - 100 miles.  He has a set of tapes on Global Earth 
>Changes: 1991 - 1997.  I don't know about your location, but Washington D.C. 
>shows on the map still, but gets "wet" several times from big waves...

There's an author named Mary Summer Rain who put out a series of
books.  One is a detailed description of the changes she and her
mentor have predicted.


-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: IGNORE: Test
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:29:12 GMT

It works

-- 
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix (age 6)
"Nitzche is dead"God
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:08:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Why Bigfoot Is So Hard To Catch.
  Jack Lapseritis thinks a Bigfoot can't be caught (but I know good and well 
they can) because Bigfoot can astrally project himself out of dangerous 
situations.
 That's the startling claim of noted bigfoot researcher Jack Lapseritis, who 
says three of the large, hairy creatures once teleported themselves into his 
bedroom, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 
  He has been researching he bigfoot phenomenon for more that 20 years and 
says he has seen the elusive beasts on seven occasions. 
  During a research expedition in Mount Hood Wilderness Area in the Oregon 
Cascades, he had a bizarre enncounter with a bigfoot that suggestded the 
creatures can teleport themselves at the speed of thought. 
  Almost daily, he heard a two-legged creature approach his tent, but when he 
peered outside, the approaching figure disappeared.  
 Every time it left the area, I could hear a very loud, high pitched whistle. 
This continued every single day for two weeks.
  He has experinced telepathic contact with both bigfoot and star people = a 
race of extraterrestrial beings that may have brought bigfoot to this 
planet.  
  His contact with bigfoot culminated with a bizarre visit from three of the 
creatures, who astrally projected into his bedroom late one night.
  After they woke me up telepathically, I was facinated to observe these 
living apparitions as they moved around the room.
  Among other revelations, the bigfoot people told me that they can traverse 
eight different dimensions, including astral projection, dematerialization, 
teleportation, and the ablility to enter the nucleus or door of a vortex, 
which purportedly, leads to another plane of existence in time and space.
  So this is me (John Winston) speaking, how about that?
John Winston.
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 03:23:44 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) writes:

> Kalki, perhaps you might post over in soc.religion.christian, where you
> perhaps could stir up the debate you are looking so hard to win!
> 
> Unless you are looking to be another anecdote, perhaps called "the
> overzealous disciple," back off.  I don't know if Srila Prabhupad ever wrote 
> down, but my friend told me that He warned against the overzealous
> devotee who thinks he's really doing good... in fact he even gave it
> a Sanskrit name (the phase of bhakti development), tho I can't remember
> what it was offhand.
> 
> If you wish to do something positive for Krishna Consciousness, then please,
> Love God with All your Heart, All your Thought, and All your Soul, and let
> that powerful radiance speak for your spiritual development.  All this
> harping is only adding to the somewhat tarnished vision that most people alre
> carry about ISKON.  Step outside your fantasy pundit world for a few moments
> and realize that your "stuff" is representing 1) the path of yoga, esp Bhakti
> ISKON, and thereby Srila Prabhupad and through him, Lord Krishna.  Take a
> moment to note your outright proselytization (preaching) that is so
> terrifically reminiscient of the various Christian approaches to preaching.
> 
> Wake up and Smell the Maya, dude!
> 

What are you talking about?
What "tarnished vision that most people already carry about ISKCON"?
What "fantasy pundit world"?
Is something wrong with "outright proselytization"?

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa


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      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
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