HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu (maximum entropy)
Subject: Status of DC software?
Organization: Not Proud Programmers
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:06:15 GMT


Not too long ago there was a rumor that since Double Click Software
was going out of business, all of their software except DC Data Diet
was to become freeware (or PD?).  Can anyone tell me if this has
happened, and if not, then will it happen soon, and when?  Gracias...

Cheers,
entropy
--
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From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: meta-comp.sys.atari.st
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:58:18 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

OS/2> In article <C0pGL9.B9E@news2.cis.umn.edu> davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:

OS/2> Whoa, what's wrong with stock quotes?  How are they not appropriate
OS/2> news in an Atari newsgroup?  It seems like you're asking people to be
OS/2> POSITIVE fact-finders.  Sounds like a propaganda campaign to me.  By
OS/2> all means, post the positive, but allow the negative to come through
OS/2> without a fight as well.  I shouldn't have to take megabytes of abuse
OS/2> just because I give 101 reasons why Atari could use some fixin', should I?

I think stock quotes are a valuable tool for seeing how investors view
Atari.  Yes, those are the people who do not have an Atari oracle on
their desk and who look at the profitability of the company and the
competance of the management.  I wonder how long it will be before
NASDAQ unlists Atari all together (it is practically a penny stock) and
ATC is relegated to the likes of the Vancouver exchange...Imagine that....

OS/2> >You can regain a measure of control of this newsgroup, or you can let it
OS/2> >become a source of personal pleasure for folks like Chris Mauritz, who don't
OS/2> >even OWN an ST anymore; they just leave messages for the pure joy in watching
OS/2> >you squirm.

I cannot help but be flattered.  If I convince one newby to dismiss
Atari computers as an electronic toy, I feel morally justified.  I
hate to see people go out and purchase one of these paperweights based
on completely biased and false propaganda from the cheerleaders on
the net and then realize that they'll have to give up their left nut
to find software for it.

Skoal,

Chris

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ritz@ritz.mordor.com                | company since I own the company.
{backbone}!rutgers!spcvxb!ritz!ritz | Ritz International, Inc.
OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2 OS/2  | Import/Export Consultants
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Hyperlink
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Can someone give my some indepth information about the ST version of
'Hypercard'.  (Or it's equivalent).

Distributer/Producer....
Compatibility with mac' version...
capabilities...
etc. etc.
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
	<F7u5wB6w165w@status.gen.nz>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:26:48 EST

In <F7u5wB6w165w@status.gen.nz>, Jon Clarke writes:
>  If you think about what we have enjoyed on the ST for the last seven
>  years William is correct in what he says!

And, apparently, 90% of the people in comp.sys.atari.st who haven't
already left for another platform, don't mind waiting hours for
compiles, while they can't do anything else.

Over the past two years, I've been looking at all the things that are
available for the other platforms.  It's _nice_ to be working on
something in a nice word processor, and be able to pop open a CLI
window, type a few commands, compile something, etc, switch back to the
WP while it continues compiling, load up another program to work on a
graphic while everything keeps going, etc etc.

MiNT won't cut it...  The ST is much too slow for multitasking.  Just
try running GNU C over some code in the background with MiNT... 
Suddenly your 4M is gone and you can't even load ps to see what's going
on.  The ST wasn't designed for that sort of abuse.  MiNT is an
_awesome_ thing, to be able to multitask effectively on this sort of
hardware.

-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RFD: What to do with comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.s
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:11:55 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

In my case, I DON'T have ftp access, but I also don't have access to
either the comp.sources or comp.binaries groups.

( My feedsite won't supply them on the grounds that if he gives me
  the atari groups, he'll have to start supplying other machine's
  binaries/sources groups, swamping his hard drive space.)

Maybe I'm out of line here, but it seems that perhaps the atari groups
are due for a re-organisation.

Is there sufficient traffic to justify something along the lines
of the os2/ms-dos/amiga heirarchy structure?

(Currently I'm getting around 500k/week over the 2 comp.sys.atari groups)

--
Alan Brown. (SysAdmin)                          c/- 238a Tremaine Ave
dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz                      Palmerston North
Dawghaus BBS -> +64 (6) 357-9245                New Zealand
       "A wet and windy place deep in the South Pacific"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Stalker vs Uniterm!
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Remember, the major benefit of Uniterm over STalker is - is doesn't cost
a fortune!
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:19554 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:6580
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.10 Rev. Dec 15 1992
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Syquest 44 boot
	<C0HC0p.9no@hpbbrd.bbn. <1iqva4INNfmo@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:25:06 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In <1iqva4INNfmo@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
	writes:

>jensk@hpbbn.bbn.hp.com (Jens Kilian) writes:

>  <concerning Syquest drives>
>>I always boot using a disk with a warmstart program in the AUTO folder
>>(and I don't like it).

>For some inexplicable reason, I dont have this problem anymore since I
>installed a Maxtor 130meg fixed drive along with my Syquest.  But I
>also know people who use only the Syquest, and they don't have the
>problem at all...  Go figure.

	The same thing happened to me with a Syquest. I originally had it
connected with an old Adapted mfm drive, and the Syquest would not boot
directly on the first try. When I replaced the mfm drive with a Quanton
52, the Syquest would boot fine (though I immediately moved my C drive
to the Quantum, as it booted faster anyway.) I found that ICD's coldboot
program was about the quickest way to get started, especially after it
was configured to only look for scsi id0 before starting.


-- 

 "If Rush fans were braindead, why are there so   Bruce Bufalini
 many people posting to alt.music.rush?"              PSU
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
	<8FV5wB8w165w@status.gen.nz>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:12:44 EST

In <8FV5wB8w165w@status.gen.nz>, Jon Clarke writes:
>  Having just read you last few posts and on how you are going to OS/2
>  
>                          WHY BOTHER to convince you!

Well, like I've said in several posts, I might've missed something
better, or I might be barking up the wrong tree, or I might (shudder!)
be trying to gather as much information as possible before I even start
to move to another platform.

>  Many of us are in the same boat as you but STill love our Atari computers
>  and will do anything to see them here in the years to come. Unlike 
>  yourself if the tones of your previous poSTs are anything to go by.

Hmm, so I'm not at all optimistic about Atari's chances of success... 
Your point?

>  So in conclusion, think not what Atari can do for Chris but what has
>  Chris done for Atari (BIG GRIN-)

Hmm, check the FAQ for my name.  Do a search on the GEnie file libraries
for C.HERBORTH.  I've also helped innumberable people find
software/learn to use software/etc on their STs.

For Atari, I've bought their system (and two monitors).  For the
developers, I've bought things from Timeworks DTP to MaxiFile III to
Dungeon Master.

It's amazing how easily some of the people here leap into defensive mode
when you start to suggest that maybe, just _maybe_, there might be
something better than Atari.  Right now, I happen to think OS/2 might be
it, and I'm trying to get as many first-hand opinions as possible.

-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 10 Jan 1993 01:49:11 EST
From: Joshua Kronengold <H04HC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RFD: What to do with comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.st?

I'd say that if someone is getting software, the bulk of their software will be
directly from the archives, rather than the newsgroup, anyway.  So, my
recomendation is to delete c.b.a.s and possibly c.s.a.s and create a new
moderated group, comp.archives.atari.st, with a FAQ, and new UL's
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| Joshua Kronengold <jokhc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>                           |
| My Pleasure is my power to please my Mistress:                      |
| My Power is my pleasure in that power.-Lessingham                   |
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:25:04 EST

In <C0Furt.I67@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, William Magro writes:
> This, of course, doesn't change the fact that PC operating systems are  
> crap.  Use that as your argument to promote the ST.

OS/2 2.x?  NeXTstep '486 (when it comes out)?

-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: sfs@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Grottke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SILENT SERVICE
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:28:21 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rondane.cs.tu-berlin.de

In article <4947.405.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, judy.ranelli@the-matrix.com (Judy Ranelli)  writes:
> 
> 
> OK... I'm the one who didn't know how to fire those pesky aft torpedoes.
> 
> Well, I turned the periscope fully backwards and it worked; however,
> what do you do when you are submerged too deep to use the periscope?
> 
> Thanks,
> judy
>                             

Well, I think that below periscope depth the angle for torpedoes is taken from
the current bearing. That means, that you may simply change your bearing to set
it. That's very useful when you are submerged and hunted by enemy destroyers:
Set the bearing to 90 degrees, perhaps, and wait until the destroyer seems to be
in a good position. Of course these damned bastards like to change their course
just a second before they are going to be hit :-). I've lost many,many torpedoes
trying to hit one lonely destroyer. A better way is to wait until the enemies
give up hunting you. Then go up to periscope depth and give them a shot into the
back.
	bye, sfs of phco
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: re W Magro's posting
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:34:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 tatus.gen.nz> <H.ea.hdo0qVXWoTM@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>

Jon Clarke writes, about "expanding" the ST:
 
> Chris just stop and think of ...
 
> - Spectre        <-Agreed
> - Sound cards    <- What.. Tweety Board..?  Give me a break!
> - Happy (the orginal) <- A pirate tool is an "expansion"..?
> - All the accelerator cards  <- Hack and Slash, Hack and Slash
> - Video cards  <-Hack and Slash again
> - Hard disks   <-Sort of basic, eh..?
> - CD cards     <-Say what?  
> - Rom cards/drives   <-ROM?  Flashcard drives?  Say what?
> - and the list goes on and on and on and on  <-not very far it don't..
 
> Hmm this resembles the same sort of upgrades you get for the PC to me

Again, give me a break..!

BobR
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:36:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.151744.16471@newshost.lanl.gov>, hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>Uh, Ken... Did you ever think that maybe Darek built the Gemulator in order
>to try to make a few bucks?  I think perhaps you are giving him too much
>credit for his "evil, wicked, mean and nasty" reputation.  :)

One could replace 'Darek' with 'Atari Corporation' and come up with a similar
conclusion.  Then again, many attribute 'evil' to a situation where stupidity
would be the closest explanation.

-- DPZ
From: alberto@cs.umd.edu (Jose Alberto Fernandez R)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: OOOLD VIPGEM Spreadsheet
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:48:43 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Maryland Computer Sc.


Hi, a friend of mine has a very old version of VIPGEM, the spreadsheet
program that he got when he bought his Atari ST1024 like 6 years ago.
He has use it for all kind of works. Including database and structural
analysis for buildings.

Now he has a PC Clone in the office and wants to transfer his precious
worksheets to lotus or some other program. The problem is that the
data format is incompatible. 

Question: Do you know of any program(s) that is able to read VIPGEM
data and generate Lotus or something else available on the PC? The
program could be on the Atari or the PC side. He is desperate.


	Jose Alberto.

Please answer by e-mail, I do not read this newsgroup and my friend
does not has access to the net.

--
:/       \ Jose Alberto Fernandez R | INTERNET: alberto@cs.umd.edu
:| o   o | Dept. of Computer Sc.    | BITNET: alberto@cs.umd.edu
:|   ^   | University of Maryland   | UUCP: {...}!mimsy!alberto
:\  \_/  / College Park, MD 20742   |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Picture Conversion Query
From: mcsdc1ph@dct.ac.uk
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:10:04 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


Does any one know of a program out there that will do conversion of all the
major picture formats, including GIF, IFF, and SP? ?

I'm working with a PC, an Amiga, and my trusty STe and at the moment am stuck
with using Spectrum 512 for importing IFF pictures from amiga, which for some
reason don't always come across very well.

(Incidentally, I'm not porting pics, I'm sticking them on a PC compatible disk,
then getting amiga to read the PC disk, and vice-versa)

Does Ste have a true 4096 colour mode?  Like HAM?  Or does it have to be a
spectrum pic for the full pallette?

Sorry for these somewhat vague questions, but I really am quite confused about
the whole thing myself.  What I'm basically after is a program like PICSWITCH,
where I can load in a picture, select the new format and save off.

Thanks.

Feekzoid
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
From: root@h11.saar.de (Dipl.Ing. Bernhard Stumpf, private site)
Subject: Re: Kosten
Keywords: Kosten - how to use it
Reply-To: bestu@h11.saar.de
Cc: rzsbs@rz.uni-sb.de
X-Software: Okami Newsreader Version 0.0 B18
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 18:58:24 MEZ

In <H.XtJiOXaBwjo@zebedee.uucp>, Geoffrey Coan (geoffc@zebedee.uucp) wrote:

_>Does anyone know how to use the kosten program posted with Hermes, or
_>what it does ?
_>
_>My german isn't good enough to understand the readme posted with it, but
_>I managed to work out from running it that I needed the LOGDIR environment
_>variable set to the directory where my uucico log file is.  Having done this
_>I get the following output:
_>
_>Kostenauswertung fr die Hermes UUCP Software
_>V. 1.0,   1991, by Christian Reisel
_>V. 1.1.2, 1992, by Michael Bongartz
_>Problem: Das Logfile UUCICO enthaelt keine Tarifzonentabelle.
_>Bitte tragen Sie folgende Zeile als erst ein das Lofile ein:
_>TARIFZONEN: <Sek. zum Billigtarif> <Sek. im Normaltarif>
_>

Hi Geoff,

the first line in $ADM/uucico must be:
TARIFZONEN 720 360

then you will be able to get the costs you would have to pay in *Germany* 
for your poll acts... :-)

Sorry, Christian and Michael (who are friends of mine b.t.w.) saw no need to 
include costs structures of foreign countries as HERMES is a german package.

Please use cicolog or cicostat which are much more flexible!


greetings    Bernhard


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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Good old Darek
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 23:52:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan4.225438.28925@sfu.ca>

An immature child apparently using someone else's account
(csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca) wrote:
 
(Just for example)
 
>>What your close minded little message doesn't point out is that most
>>PCs (or Mac or Amigas for that matter) are not disposable computers
>>like the Atari ST is. An upgrade typically involves replacing a card
>>or plugging in a new card, not throwing away the whole computer and
>>buying another one.

>******************************************************************
>*        The paragraph above is just PURE bullshit               *
>******************************************************************


That's what I love about dyed-in-the-wool, die-hard, card-carrying
Atari Cheerleaders...  their clear, lucic and factual arguments to
support their positions.
 
>before your balls choke you!
>Jesus, is this guy ever one giant sized idiot.
>Yes, dink head
>Learn to read bozo
>Not only are you an arrogant idiot, you also appear to be illiterate
>Hey dopey
>I hope that statement makes you penis shrivel right up!
>Anyone who [...] is just a bullshitter.
>BULLSHIT again
>crawl back in your hole. Better yet, crawl up your own hole


Ah yes.. you certainly convinced me, Greg..  makes me proud to be an
Atari owner, just to hear you talk.

What makes it even more amusing, although pitifully so, is that you're
so wrong about most of what you seem to be defending so obscenely.
 
Makes me glad I decided to ignore that little bit of flamebait you
posted not long ago..  it would probably be me you were calling names,
instead of Darek...
 
Come to think of it, you'll probably call me names anyway..
 
Well, nyah, nyah to you too..
 
(See, I can argue just like an Atari Cheerleader too..!)
 
BobR
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 800 birds ready to take of from Taiwan....
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:42:49 GMT

From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
>Subject say's it all.
>(Information from reliable source, although not directly from anyone
>inside Atari Corp., cause if it it was, I couldn't tell you:^)
>
>-- 
>  _______________________________________________________
> / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
>/ Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
>-----------------------------------------------------------

200?  Why such a weenie number?  200 is a week's work for a rather small
production line.  (And that includes burn-in testing.)

 - Ron Sharp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ens@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for the ST and LAN Server
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:55:17 GMT

In <1992Dec31.212754.1@seb.se> s19184@seb.se (Michael Evans) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.175909.2268@zooid.guild.org>, kovarski@zooid.guild.org (Mark Kovarski) writes:
>> 
>> Has anyone out here experiemented with TCP/IP for the Atari ST. I remember
>> seeing a file on a german FTP site that was called, I believe, TCP_IP.LZH.
>> How does it implement TCP/IP? Is it done via the RS-232 port? What I want
>> to eventually do is to network my PCs with the Atari that I have.

>I have been thinking about the same thing. I know there are Ethernet 
>cards for various ST-models in Germany, but I think that most of them 
>are for Megas (ie expansion bus machines).

They have ACSI boards too but the prices are outrageous.

>The thought that struck me the other day (it did not hurt ;-) was that 
>there are many "pocket" LAN adapters available for portable PCs. These 
>plug onto the parallel port and supply a Token Ring or Ethernet 
>(Thinwire or 10BaseT) connection.

>Now an ST could not use the PC drivers which are supplied with the 
>adapter, but the hardware could be of use even for my old 1040 STF. 
>Has anyone looked at what is required to drive one of these adapters, 
>and worked out what would be required to drive it though the ST 
>parallel port instead?

A better way would be to use a MAC SCSI-ethernet board with an
ICD ACSI-SCSI connector. This would be faster, but the same
problem with lack of software drivers exists. Now if you
could get software only from the German companies at a reasonable
price...

Werner
From: jkrakover@sma2.rain.com (jonathan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST equiptment FOR SALE  (lower prices)
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:54:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sma2.1993Jan5.195442.2433
Organization: Guns for Peace

FOR SALE.....

Spectre GCR w/ 128K ROMs----------------------$230
Atari SM124 MONO monitor----------------------$70
C.M.I.-16Mhz accelerator----------------------$120

I will consider trades for these items,  I'll go half on shipping, UPS COD.
If interested, let me know.
Thanks,
Jonathan
503-666-8568

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From: ce830@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ron Field)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: HELP TEMPTRESS
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:39:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


LURE OF THE TEMPTRESS
HELP!  PLEASE!  I am totally & completely stuck.  Am on Disk B. 
Have never used Disk C.  Am carrying: Broken Glass
                                      Knife
                                      Lockpick
                                      Tinderbox
                                      Diary
                                      Gem
                                      5 Groats
Have done the whole village.  Can't get to Castle or Town Hall.  
Can't unlock any doors.  Am asking everyone for TAIDGH.  Haven't 
found GOEWIN.  Where do I go?  How do I get there?  AM DESPERATE!
-- 
Ron Field ce830@cleveland.freenet.edu (or) ron@mchome.santa-cruz.
ca.us  514 Margaret Av Aptos Ca 95003  (408)688-1508
Waiting for a Falcon
From: rossin@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ted Rossin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:16:36 GMT
Subject: Re: 8-bit/16-bit/32-bit?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA