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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: West Highland Terriers & Snow
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:15:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.233420.1183@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>Re: Westies & Snow
>
>My girlfriend, Ann, has a West Highland Terrier and wants to know if
>anyone out there knows how to keep snow from clinging to the fur around
>her pet's feet.  When we take the dog for a walk in the snow - and
>we've had lots of snow recently, even here on balmy Vancouver Island -
>the dog gets hopelessly weighed down by wet heavy snow.  Any ideas?
>
>We're new to the Internet world and Ann would welcome any contacts
>from fellow/sister Westie folks.  You can reach her via me.-- 
>
>***********************************************************************
>Patrick A. Dunae
>History Department                    Phone:  (604) 753-3245 (loc 2130)
>Malaspina University College          FAX:    (604) 741-2667
>Nanaimo, B.C., Canada V9R 5S5         INTERNET:  dunae@mala.bc.ca 

Yes.  Sled dog type booties can solve this problem.  One good
source for ordering such things is:

Black Ice/Bedford Farms
11225 County Rd. 20
Delano, MN  55328
(612) 955-2505

There are many others, of course.  If you would like more information
and/or more sources for them, e-mail me.


-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff)
Subject: Golden Retriever (again)
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:21:29 GMT

Hi again!

I just wanted to say thanks for all the excellent comments so far
about getting a golden puppy in the spring!

I just printed out the FAQ lists as suggested, which I can already
tell will answer a lot of my questions.

Also, I just wanted to add that the dog will be outdoors for 8
hours during the day, and inside evenings, nights, and weekends.
The doghouse is for him to use during the day, if he wishes.
And my mom has just retired and will be home with the dog all
day while I'm at work - she can't wait either!  I plan on walking
the dog mornings and jogging (eventually) with him evenings.  My
mom wants to walk him at lunchtime (which should also help with
her high blood pressure!)  So he'll have plenty of love and company
day and night!  (I'm also a camping buff and can't wait to take him
camping during the summers :) - I know many campgrounds that will
allow pets.)

I'm very excited - I waited 7 years to get the dog because I wanted
to be finished with undergrad & grad school first, so I would have
time for him.  Mom also loves animals and can use the companionship
during the daytime.

Anyway, I'm getting long-winded again.  Sorry!

Again, thanks for all the help!  I really appreciate it....

-Lauri
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: training problem <sigh>
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 08:47:39 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan1.094801.568@news.wesleyan.edu>
    RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
 
>> >First of all, you are going to have to put a moratorium on using the word
>> >"come", except when you can reinforce it.  Sorry, but this does mean she's
>> >got to be on a leash.  Don't despair, there are 30 ft tracking leads
>
>Fortunately, I think this is already separate from the formal recall problem (I
>hope).  She is *not* reliable on recall yet, so I have been using her "puppy
>recall" ("C'mere Buffy. <clap> <clap> <clap> C'mon. GOOOOOOood Dog. <clap>
><clap> <clap>  Al'RIIIGHT! <pet><pet><praise>") when she is off-leash so far.
 
How old is she?  It does make a difference....
 
 
>(This seems kind of natural, since I've been taking her off-leash to the woods
>since her vaccinations were complete, & to the fields since even before that.)
>She responds to this generally quite well *except* when its time to go home.
 
In other words, she hasn't learned that "come" is a command (she thinks
it's a request).  Unless you are willing to accept a "no" answer to your
requests, you MUST start over with her training a FORCE her to obey
you.   How you do this will depend on how strong willed your dog is;
the methods could range from a simple check cord to using a shock
collar.
 
PS.  This is true for children as much as it is for dogs.  If you don't
enforce your commands on kids, they will view them as requests.  And
if you make a request, "no" is an acceptable answer.  But enough of my
side track.....
 
 
>For example, I've never had any problem getting her to come to me with the
>"puppy recall" in the MIDDLE of the woods, even when we've encountered horses
>or deer or other dogs;  its only as we get close to the trail head (where the
>car is parked) that she rebels.  So (among other things) I've been clipping her
>leash back on earlier & earlier in the walk, before she suspects that we're
>close enough to the trail head that I'd do that.  <heh, heh>  The result is
>that she is becoming more & more reluctant/evasive ANYWHERE along the trails,
>because she has figured out that I intend to nab her when she least expects it.
>etc., etc., etc.  Thus, the escalation. <sigh>
 
So she's telling you "no" earlier and earlier.  Perhaps you ought to
take her out to the woods on a long lead, walk her around for about
30 seconds, and then take her home (never taking her off lead).
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: AKC Breeder Referral Service
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

Could one of you kind folks please post or e-mail to me the AKC's new 900
service number for breeder referral? The number I was given (or wrote down
incoreectly, more likely) is 1-900-407-7877. This is not a valid phone number.
And AT&T doesn't offer a directory service for 900 #s.

Thanks...

Marget Johnson
-- 
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: attack vs protection (was Re: Goldens as protection?)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:02:39 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Susan Cole (cole@unix.SRI.COM) wrote:

: Amen to that!  This not-too-uncommon situation happened again recently:
: Someone I know has a timid shepherd-mix puppy.  I was in its presence, on
: familiar ground, for probably the fourth time recently.  The dog still won't
: come near me (I love dogs and usually have no such problem) and scuttles away
: barking madly if approached.  The 18-year-old owner interprets this display
: of fearfulness as "protectiveness".  Gack.  (I realize this attitude isn't
: exclusive to young people, by the way.)  I think the dog is well treated, if
: not adequately socialized, and I hope she'll grow up to be a good dog, but
: I hate to see someone bragging about such a personality.

Unfortunately this is not uncommon.  Many shepherds go through a period
like this and it can beccome ingrained quickly.  Try to explain to your
friend that by praising the dog she is actually encouraging behaviour that
can lead to fear biting.  She needs to socialize her puppy now.  How can a
dog who is afraid of strangers have any idea who is a threat  and why
would it protect her when it wants to get away?

As far as what you can do, I find the best thing to do with puppies
like this is to sit right down in front of them.  Don't force the issue,
but become less of a threat.  Usually the pups are shocked that you don't
leave, since most people will.  If you have a treat, you can try to get
the pup to come closer by putting it on the ground near you, then on you
and finally in your hand.  You can slowly build some confidence this way.
I've seen it work with as little as once a week exposure when I worked at
a training facility.  I was able to get through to some of the people, but
it worked on all but 1 or 2 of the puppies.  The big thing is to show the
pup that it's barking doesn't impress you.  You're not going to come after
it, but you're not going to leave either.  Usually the pup's curiosity
will win out over its fear.

Karen
  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: gibson@watson.bms.com (Minde Gibson)
Subject: Drenched Paws
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:54:00 GMT

My 1 year 4 month old dog has a habit of licking her paws till they're
drenched and everything around her is drenched(including me and my
husband).  She's very healthy and happy go lucky.  I don't see anything
on her paws.  Has anyone else encountered this with their dog?

Appreciate any comments/suggestions

                                   Minde & "KEESHA"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breeding info
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:06:54 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu's message of 6 Jan 93 22:52:50 GMTLines: 23

In <2B4B62C2.25092@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu writes:

<interesting stuff about linebreeding>

> The point of these types of breeding is to conserve the genes you
> have.  It's like shuffling a deck of cards -- you get new
> combinations, but are always using the same (Well, linebreeding
> introduces new cards, slowly, and crossbreeding/outbreeding introduces
> new cards all the time.)

This is interesting.  I had noticed that Buffer has a common ancestor on both
her sire's & her dame's side (3rd & 4th generation), and I had sort of wondered
whether this was a breeding error or what.  Especially since Buffer is a Cocker
Spaniel, which is not exactly a rare breed (!).  Now I see that it might have
been a conscious breeding decision.  Interesting.

Is this relatively common, for a dog to have at least one common ancestor on
both sides within the last 3 or 4 or 5 generations?


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: A good book!
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:31:27 GMT

I hope this isn't the second copy of this that you see--as happens
all to often, I noticed a serious typo in the dog's name at the
instant I sent it.  I hope I caught it before it made it out of
this site.  The name is corrected in this one.

Take a look also at _The Old Man and the Dog_.  Sorry, I can't
recall the author either.  It's actually a bit more
anthropormorphic than I normally like (the dog is the narrator) but
it's a good book about field trials (pointing dog variety) and the
author, in addition to providing an "autobiography" of Miss One
Dot, manages to give a pretty good description of the life of a
good (great?) field-trial dog.  This one almost sounds like fiction
but the jacket suggests its the real story.  Give it a look.




-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Help with Foraging Dog
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:19:38 GMT

Has anybody has success in breaking a dog of the habit of eating things when
out for a walk?

When off leash or on his flexi, Dante is constantly on the lookout for food
on the ground. Bits of bone, discarded sandwiches, orangepeels, tasty bits of
mud...I don't live in a garbage dump, far from it, but he's managed to find
all these things and more.

On his flexi, I can give him a good correction, though this has never helped.
Off leash I must resort to yelling SIT, which he does but since he is
obviously trying to gulp it down as fast as he can before I notice, it is
usually too late to stop him from eating all of it :(

I figure it is natural pack behaviour to be constantly looking around for
food and if it's found, to gulp it down as fast as possible before the alpha
or other pack members notice, right?

My big worry is that he will be poisoned. Those of you that live in dog
hating areas, have you heard of many cases where poison was left in public
parks and such for dogs to find? As the only responsible dog owner in my city
(or so it seems) I am really worried that my dog will pick up something that
was left for some other dog that frequents the area :(


--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca        Nine weeks 'til Shaedi comes home!
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca   ********************************************
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From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:15:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Help! Ideas for finding lost puppy
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

This advice is too late for you, but for the rest of us, please put ID on
your dog immediately.  Depending on the collar, you can frequently take a
permanent marker and put your phone number right on the collar.  You don't
have to wait for some engraved metal tag to arrive.

In addition, be sure to contact your local animal shelters!!! If someone
finds the pup and picks him up, that's the logical place to take them.  Don't
depend on their seeing your posters.

Let's all send mental "phone home" thoughts to this puppy!


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: campbell@EE.Stanford.EDU (Martha C. Campbell)
Subject: I Miss My Dog
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:18:49 GMT



Hi Fellow Dog Lovers:


My husband and I recently had to put down our dog of six years (Toby)
a black lab.  He was in pain, and there was nothing we could do for
him.  I kept thinking to myself that things would get better for him
but they never did.  On Saturday December 19th we said good-bye to
Toby our companion and friend of six years.   I keep telling myself
that at least he got a good home with people that truly loved him but
it doesn't make it any easier.   We have another dog named (Highway,
he's 1 1/2 ) that we've had for about 8 months before Toby died.  And
it's was hard on him, he looked for Toby for about a week and wouldn't
eat for 4 days.  I talked to our vet who said just to give Highway
extra attention which we did and now he's doing better.  Don't get me
wrong I love Highway but he's no Toby and I don't expect him to be,
Highway is just a different kind of dog.  I feel bad when I walk
Highway and accidentally call him Toby.  I miss Toby sleeping in the
bed when my husband is at work late, swimming with him at a nearby
lake, etc. I have many pictures of Toby on the wall and at times I
find myself staring at them and I start to cry.  But I know Toby is in
doggie heaven with no pain and running and swimming all he wants.

When will things get easier?  How long should I wait before getting
another dog?  At the moment it would be nice to have another dog but
1)Highway is adjusting and he likes the extra attention and 2)I don't
know if I'm going to want the new dog to be so much like Toby that I
won't see the dog for his own qualities,and 3)I miss Toby very much
and in a weird sort of way,I don't ever want to stop missing him.  We
don't have any kids and Toby was our only dog (kid) for awhile and now
a big part of my life is gone forever.  Any words of encouragment or
advise would be greatly appreciated.

A little background on Highway.
Highway is a German shepard/chow mix.  He was dumped out on the
Highway in Santa Fe (I was vacationing there).  At the time Highway
was about 30 pound under weight and had been seriously abused.  I took
him to the local shelter because I was on vacation I couldn't keep the
dog.  Two days later I went back to the shelter where they told me
they would have to put him down.  I couldn't let that happen so I put
him on a airplane and brought him home.  He's a very happy dog now
living with us and I'm proud to say he now weights a healthy 65
pounds.  He and Toby took to each other right away, so when Toby died
Highway was very upset that his buddy wasn't around.  And because of
Highway, putting my own emotions aside, I don't know when is the right
time to get a new dog.

Please help!  You may send replies to campbell@sierra.stanford.edu.

thanks for listening,
martha

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley)
Subject: local.rec.pets
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:19:19 GMT

> Diane Bassett writes:
> (repost from usenet.rec.pets.dogs)
>
> ............The San Francisco SPCA mounted an educational and PR campaign
> to assist renters in presenting themselves to landlords as responsible pet
> owners.  At the same time, they launched a campaign to promote responsible
> pet owners to landlords
> as excellent tenants.
>


If our local SPCA would only bestir themselves!

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:16:36 GMT

In article <C0I99s.H9w@austin.ibm.com> repass@austin.ibm.com (Jim Repass) writes:
= 
= As a responsible Newfoundland breeder I only guarantee puppies to be free
= from crippling hip displaysia for 1 year. Crippling means that the dog can't
= function. The OFA certification at 2 years is NOT part of the guarantee.
= The dog can fail the OFA and still be a happy, functioning animal. Of course,
= we don't breed dogs that don't get their OFA. To my knowledge, no one
= guarantees their puppies to be FREE from hip displaysia.

I did.

I gave my buyers a significant discount if they chose no guarantee
but for those who paid full price, I guaranteed the pup for three
years against CHD.  The terms were essentially that upon
presentation of OFA certification that the dog is dysplastic I
would buy it back for the original purchase price.  I chose three
years to give ample time for the owner to come up with the bucks for
the X-rays and certification.  I made OFA certification a requirement
to avoid (I hope) the possibility that someone would try to pass off
an injury as CHD.  My shooting buddy raises chocolate Labs and he
guarantees against CHD although I no longer recall the terms of the
guarantee.  I'll have to check my old correspondence but I believe
that my Brittany bitch was also guaranteed against CHD when I bought
her.

By making the guarantee that I would buy back the animal, I am
trying to put myself in charge of what happens to it.  Should it
turn out to be mild enough that that it is still a functional
animal, I would give my customer the option of a partial refund in
exchange for proof of spaying or castration.  But that offer will
be made only when *I* think conditions warrant.  I've tried to keep
the terms of the actual written guarantee as straightforward as
possible.

By signing the sales agreement, my customers also agreed not to
breed the animal unless OFA certified CHD-free.

Frankly, I'm not convinced that such guarantees mean much to the
average buyer for by the time CHD becomes evident (in all but the
worst cases) the owner is so attached to the dog that they are
unlikely to part with it.  A potential breeder is, I think, more
likely to exercize such a guarantee--at least a responsible breeder.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:36:34 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Betsy Weatherhead (betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu) wrote:

: As sad as it is, not everyone is educated about puppy mills.  It's such a
: shocking and disgusting story, when the truth is revealed, that I think
: the general public is attracted and repelled at the same time.  I think
: people quickly put the thought out of their mind as too horrifying to believe.

: I feel it is my responsibility to do a little something on this issue.  I've
: never felt comfortable picketing, or organizing big efforts.  I just mention
: it to anyone mentioning the concept of getting a new dog.  OK, so I risk
: insulting 9 out of 10 people, dog lovers will understand.  I also make a
: point of not buying anything from a pet store which sells dogs or cats.  Lately,
: I've made a point of telling the store clerk why I am leaving their store
: without buying anything.  It's not the clerk's fault, so I try to be polite,
: but I want the message to trickle through to whoever it is that makes the
: decisions.

But it is the clerk's fault that they work there.  It is also the clerk's
fault when they have no clue about the lives that they sell (I had one
tell me that an obviously longhaired kitten was a shorthair and was
vaccinated "against everything."

Rather than walk out, I try to give the people standing looking at puppies
an idea that all may not be as it should:

(see GSD/lab/golden/malamute/etc. puppy)

"Could I get some information on that puppy?"
	"Sure, what do you want to know?"
"Tell me about your health guarantee."
	"We guarantee the puppy against illness for 48 hours and against
	 genetic problems for 1 year."
"Oh.  Do you guarantee against hip displaysia until the dog is 2?"
	"No. The guarantee is 1 year."
"But Orthopedic Foundation for Animals won't certify a dog is free of hd
 until it is at least 2 years old.  You can't tell if a dog is okay at 1
 year.  Are the parents OFA certified?"
	"Oh yes."
"I'd like to see the papers and OFA certificates."
	"Oh, we have the pedigree, but we'd have to send for the other."
"I see, you won't guarantee the puppy as long as is necessary for this to
be determined and have nothing to even indicate the likelyhood?  I can't
buy a puppy under these conditions, it's too big a risk." 

Walk out.

One of my favorite things to do at the mall.  Why won't Dan go to a pet
store with me? ;)

Karen
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Oh no!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:29:03 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!

this is Opal, sneaking into Mom's computer again.  Oh guys, please help me!
Mom and Dad have that rotten little mini-human that chases me and pulls my fur
all the time, and now comes that bad part.  They told me yesterday that
there's *another* one coming at the end of August!  Oh no!!!!!

Does anybody want to adopt a beautiful little Sheltie who wants nothing more
than to sleep on your feet and beg for food?  Please?

*biff*  Get out of here, Opal.....scram!

Man, I tell ya, that dog is something else.  I can't convince her that it'll
be long time before the new baby will start chasing her.  *sigh*  hey, what
can ya do?  She's such a ham, though. She can never have enough attention!
But that's part of her charm.  :)

A quick question...Opal was spayed a few weeks ago, the 22nd to be exact.  She
had her stitches out Monday.  Anybody know how long I have to wait til I can
bathe her?  Gawd, does she need it...it's been a month!  :)

Thanks....

Kelly, and Opal too, of course!