From: stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
Subject: Re: Irony continues in our history
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug17.195119.14829
Followup-To: soc.history,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Since Mr. Simic is not with us any more :),
I will take over this discussion.  Actually,
Mr. Loncaric was discussing this issue with me 
for a while on S.C.Y. and soc.history.  
I will carry on this discussion on those
two groups, after commenting some parts of his
introduction.  

In article <1992Aug17.171053.2079@src.umd.edu> josip@src.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>ONE COMMENT: This is about the smears and manipulation of history directed
>             against the Croatian people.  This discussion belongs

No.  This is about some people, like Dr. Franjo Tudjman, you
and to the lesser extent Prof. Banac, attempting to rewrite history.  
To relativize events, change them.  Fortunately in those attempts
you are too often caught into disputing one another ( see S.C.Y.
for this). 


>            
>	      to soc.culture.yugoslavia but Mr. Simic keeps on returning
>             it to soc.culture.jewish for propaganda reasons.  I am
>             forced to correct him on the same forum, but I'd appreciate
>             if he would quit doing this: whoever is interested can (1) read
>             soc.culture.yugoslavia and (2) dig up the relevant references
>             at the local library.  Manipulation of history for political

Again, if you really thought this way you would have done the same
way I am going to do and I have done previously in this group.  Simple,
tell anyone interested where to find your response, and quit posting
here.  Also, any intelligent human being should be aware that giving the 
last word to the opponent in the discussion does not mean admitting that 
one is wrong. 
Also, propaganda attacks on the Serbian fight for the self-determination
on this group, were the initial reasons for posting on this group, 
by me and Mr. Simic.


>             purposes has been a key part of Milosevic's warmongering
>             propaganda, but this does NOT mean that there is no relevant
>             and fairly accurate body of research on this subject.
>
> 	Josip

Hmm.  Equally so, those manipulations have been the integral part
of Tudjman's comming to the power.  Equally so, those manipulations
with the history were part of the raising fears of the Serbian 
people in Croatia.  Those manipulations were the reason for 
Warren Zimmerman, the ex-ambassador of the USA in ex-Yugoslavia, 
to state that he fears for the security of Serbs and Jews in new
Croatia ( Interview to NIN, otherwise highly critical to Miloshevic.
References to this statement you could have found in every Croatian
journal, calling Ambassador Chetnick and Serbian paid agent for this).
Blasting the Synagogue in Zagreb, and events with Serbian minority
has shown that his fears were not unfounded.

Regards

Milan N. Stojanovic

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