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From: chuck@titan.eecs.umich.edu (Chuck A. Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.181436.10915@ntg.com> ewhac@ntg.com (Leo 'Bols Ewhac'
Schwab) writes:

>	Look more closely.  Look at the surrounding buildings and see if
>their angle to the ground is consistent with being on a hill.

OK, I checked. It's a big hill.  The tree's, telephone poles, etc look OK.
Also, you can see the bottom of the hill where it flattens out.  I can't
even imagine someone "riding" a bike backwards that great a distance &
reversing the order of the film.  The shadows don't seem to move enough
for stop motion.  No wonder they call him The WIzzard of Speed and Time!

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov,rec.bicycles,alt.cult-movies
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 18:42:23 -0400 
From: "Adam K. Rixey" <ar2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
	<jittlov.715436778@gumby.cs.caltech.edu>

	Wow!  ===>THE<=== Mike Jittlov!  I must say that I personally love your
movie [my second favorite is Citizen Kane. . .I'm seriously warped], and
now I'm festering over that bike scene also.

	What *I* really want to know, though, is when you made the jigsaw
puzzle form, was that played in reverse, did you take it apart and then
put it back together, or are you just REALLY good at getting those to
line up properly?

	One final question - I saw you at DragonCon last year, do you have any
plans of going back anytime soon?

		- AkR
	- ar2w@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: chuck@titan.eecs.umich.edu (Chuck A. Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:01:29 GMT

>>>>RP=Richard Pieri <ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu> writes:
 

RP>Or someone/thing off-camera doing the tow-trick.

I looked for a tow line/cable or even shadow of one, can't see any evidence of
one.  Maybe rocket packs? 

RP>Or Mike pedaled *real hard* before he came on-camera :-).

That's a big hill, he must have pedalled REAL HARD!


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From: swedlund@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (erik)
Subject: Re: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:17:30 GMT

I was amazed while browsing thru the several hundred news groups I
*inadvertently subscribed to to run across a Jittlov group.  I immediately
ran over to a friend's and told her about it.  I was pretty excited.  She 
had no idea what I was talking about.  She still had no idea when I went
running back 10 minutes later to announce that the esteemed Mike himself
was included in the posting list.  I promised to show her the movie over and
over and over again.  I myself purchased a copy at a rental place for only
$10.  If it was a previously viewed copy, I can't tell.

Suppose he had a *lot of friends give him a big push just before the bike
entered the camera field?  Or perhaps some other sort of pushing device...

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From: cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller)
Subject: Re: Mike as GHOST ghost
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:07:30 GMT

jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jeff Skaletsky) writes:

>I loved the "industry" digs in WOSAT, they were perfect!

>Last time I tried to buy a copy of WOSAT it was around $90 - any plans
>to get the price down to something reasonable???

>Definitely time to screen it again - would rather buy it than rent...


*snort* :D Sorry, I jast can't <giggle> help it.. I got an ex-rental vid
of WoSaT for $30 Aus. Ahahahahahaahaha! (of course we twisted the rental
peoples' arms a bit, but they got sick of us asking and gave in)

Imagine the scene, an empty Vid-shop on a rainy day... Family approaches
counter returning WoSaT for the umpteenth time...

Interview #345

Us> Any chance of selling this to us anytime soon? (hopeful smiles)

Them> AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! We can't take anymore!!! Here <slam>
BUY the damn thing; JUST STOP BUGGING US!

(merry family of Jittlov addicts leave grinning. Checkout people whimper in
background.)

Apparently WoSaT was in "Overnight" rental area for quite some time. Sure
sign of success, really.

Oh well, have rambled enough, back to the in-jokes.
Cath
cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
no bauf, no bart, no stupidquote(tm). But tomorrow may be different! >-)

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From: cabizon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (THOMAS BIZON)
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 13:34 EST  

I've never seen this film, but I'd like to hazard a guess at how something
like this was done.
The hill and street were filmed from a moving car.  Mike riding the bike
was filmed against a blue screen, with the camera tilted at the same
angle as the hill.  The two were then combined.

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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: WIZARD Co-Star John Massari on TV!
Summary: WIZARD Co-Star John Massari on TV!
Keywords: music, synth, composer, genius, Massari, Zappa
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:40:21 GMT

Attention and Alert!

To Music-Lovers everywhere, concerning the further sonic
adventures of one John Massari - who is a lookalike for his
hero-figure Frank Zappa, along with sharing a kindred spirit,
idealism, moustache, and nose.  To wit:

JOHN MASSARI, who co-starred as a Musical Genius (against his
protests, and under the pseudonym of "Steve Shostakovich") in
the critically-rave-reviewed action-comedy-adventure-special-
effects-laden fantasy and satire-on-Hollywood-and-the-System
feature film <gasp>, "The Wizard of Speed and Time" - and who
contributed much of the movie's music score - will once again
grace the airwaves of the entire North American Continent with
his most recent work, in:

      "SCARED SILENT - Exposing and Ending Child Abuse"
                 - Hosted by Oprah Winfrey -

A nation-wide simulcast Television Premiere, airing this Friday,
September 4, 1992, 10pm (9pm central), on CBS, NBC, _and_ PBS
- with an encore presentation on ABC, Sunday, September 6, 1992,
10pm (9pm central)!  This is the first primetime non-news show
ever to be aired by three broadcast networks simultaneously!

    John Massari composed all music for this TV special
    John Massari conducted all music for this TV special
    John Massari produced all music for this TV special
    John Massari performed all music for this TV special*
    John is very happy with all music for this TV special

  * with special thanks to John's friends, pianist Neil Posner
    and recording engineer Avi Hochberg.

Any immodesty in the above is due to the immense pride of this
note-poster.  John is the Prince of Humility :]

[Note 1:  the show's Executive Producer and Writer, Arnold
Shapiro, is _not_ connected with Shapiro-Glickenhaus Ent -
the corp >:p that is currently misdistributing our film, and
doing so without my authorization]

[Note 2:  info appreciated on Mr Z's mailing address, so I can
send him a free VHS of the movie he almost invested in - and
sagaciously did not]

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From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. Finberg)
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:02:23 GMT

In article <jittlov.715436778@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
>Several postings have expressed curiosity about the Hill-
>Climbing Bicycle scene in "THE WIZARD OF SPEED AND TIME"...
>
>Newsgroup: alt.fan.mike-jittlov, article: 811
>From: chuck@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Chuck A. Nicholas)
>Subject: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:22:44 GMT
>
>>:) I kept getting hung up on the biz where the *inside* of the
>    Fotomat is larger than the outside
>
>Along similar lines, the one scene in the film that I find most
>intriguing was when Mike rides his bike up the hill without
>pedalling it.  I mean his feet are completely off of the pedals.
>
>>  Many other theorys deleted <<<<                             
>
>HOW WAS IT DONE??? HOW WAS IT DONE???  HOW WAS IT DONE???  :@
>
>      The Official *Wizard* Answer may Surprise You...
>
>
>             [Coming Soon, to a Posting Below!]
>
>
>________________________________________ ___._`.*.'_._ ________
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>  Hollywood, CA 90026-2714       '   *  . ' ' |\^/|  `. * .  *
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>  <& alt.fan.mike-jittlov>    and Fine Wishes  /_\  Come True:)
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>
>
Another unoffical guess....

How about a sort of maxi stop motion;
 Peddal a bit coast a bit, peddal again coast a bit .....
shoot the climb several times,   splice together all the coast segments

Could be done fast enough that the shadows wouldn't change noticalbbly
background motion would set the minimum coast length needed, ie a walking 
person would have to be panned in and out of view durring a single coast 
segnment.

Could we tell? look for jumps in the tire rotation position, (fill valve).

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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Teddy Bear in Pizza Resturaunt scene?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug25.062656.4622@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:05:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.062656.4622@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller) writes:

   harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock) writes:

   >Question:  In the scene inside Ying Yang's pizza near the beginning of the
   >movie when they're brainstorming for music, there is a teddy bear sitting
   >on the chair next to Mike.  It just occured to me how out of place
   >a teddy bear is in a pizza place.  Is there and significance or story
   >behind the bear?  Comments, Mike?(Or am I just incoherently rambling on
   >a  silly subject because I have nothing better to do?)


   Yow, all these weeks going thru' my vid and I never noticed the teddy
   :) I kept getting hung up on the biz where the *inside* of the photomat
   is bigger than the outside... Shades of Dr.Who?

I've got to watch this one again...  looks like I didn't even notice
the subtle stuff...

   What I really wanna know is: Are there any more vids/movies containing
   Jittlovian FX? If so where are they? Desperate MJ junkie needs fix!!

Yes!

-Joe.
From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:11:05 GMT
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
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>>>>> "CAN" == Chuck A. Nicholas <chuck@dip.eecs.umich.edu> writes:

CAN> The only other thing I can guess is a small electric motor hidden in
CAN> the back basket to push the bike?

Or someone/thing off-camera doing the tow-trick.

Or Mike pedaled *real hard* before he came on-camera :-).

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From: millernw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Neal Miller)
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:14:16 GMT

"Adam K. Rixey" <ar2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>	Wow!  ===>THE<=== Mike Jittlov!  I must say that I personally love your
>movie [my second favorite is Citizen Kane. . .I'm seriously warped], and
>now I'm festering over that bike scene also.

>	What *I* really want to know, though, is when you made the jigsaw
>puzzle form, was that played in reverse, did you take it apart and then
>put it back together, or are you just REALLY good at getting those to
>line up properly?

	All I want to say is that the effect with the moving, colored clouds
in the "Film Switching" scene was >very< impressive, and the scene where
Mike plugs in the projector by tossing the plug in the general direction of
the outlet was a simple yet immensely funny touch.  BTW, the bicycle tires
were filled with helium.  It's true.  Mike told me so.  Well, not really, 
but I'm stumped. };-)

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From: sprackle@rel8.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen)
Subject: WoSaT
Organization: ncsa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:29:36 GMT
Keywords: subliminal?

I was wondering if I am the only one to do a frame-
by-frame on Mike's animation sequences.  For those of
you who haven't done this, do it (beginning animation,
"Time Tripper" during time travel, and the bicycle as
the IRS man takes it away from the garage sale).

Dave
From: lee@soda.berkeley.edu (Lee Thompson-Herbert)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: WoSaT
Date: 26 Aug 1992 03:36:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: time for an ftp drop?
Keywords: subliminal?

In article <BtJv9F.CJJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sprackle@rel8.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen) writes:
>I was wondering if I am the only one to do a frame-
>by-frame on Mike's animation sequences.  For those of
>you who haven't done this, do it (beginning animation,
>"Time Tripper" during time travel, and the bicycle as
>the IRS man takes it away from the garage sale).
>

No, and I seem to be the person who's keeping the current list of 
WoSaT subliminals.  Until Mike has time to update my list [and it may
be a *long* time at this rate.  Poor Mike.], I think mine is the most
complete.  

Should I see about putting the subliminals list [and Mike's other FAQ files]
up for ftp?

Right now, people can mail me requests, if they want a copy of the subliminals
list.


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From: doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr)
Subject: Re: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:17:49 GMT

In article <jittlov.715436778@gumby.cs.caltech.edu>, jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
|> Several postings have expressed curiosity about the Hill-
|> Climbing Bicycle scene in "THE WIZARD OF SPEED AND TIME"...
|> 
|>> Along similar lines, the one scene in the film that I find most
|>> intriguing was when Mike rides his bike up the hill without
|>> pedalling it.  I mean his feet are completely off of the pedals.

	[ Many a fine theory postulated, only to be riven to shreds
	  by Mike himself, all deleted to conserve bits.]

One theory no one has expressed:  Mike has developed new, secret "subframe"
subliminals unfound despite the impressive efforts of the many people who 
have attempted to find them all.  The subliminals in question read:

	I AM NOT PEDALLING!  MY FEET ARE NOT ON THE PEDALS!!

Thus, we don't see the obvious solution.  Mike pedalled the bike uphill.
We only _think_ we don't see him do it.  8-)}

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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Jittlov Nude ? (was Re:Enya Nude ?)
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:15:20 GMT

In article <kdawson.21.715346307@AFIT.AF.MIL> kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON) writes:
>
>        ;)

Well . . . not *nude* but I have this recurring dream of going into a
video store and seeing all Mike's films (except for the full length WOSAT,
of course) available on one handy cassette for an incredibly low price.
The title is _Mike Jittlov's Shorts_ and features a cover photo of mike,
hands on hips, grinning at the camera, clad only in a pair of green boxer
shorts with little black running wizards printed on them.

		-- Stewart "well *I'd* buy one" Tame

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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Flame bunker ready, Shields up
Keywords: flame
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:53:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Focused on Infinity) <Marc Reeve> writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.225023.1137@news2.cis.umn.edu> hiroki@limerick.cbs.umn.edu writes:
>>Who's Mike Jittlov?

>Do we need an FAQ? Perhaps.
>Anyway, Hiroki, Mike Jittlov is a guy who lives with his mother in Los
>Angeles and at one time made lots of nifty neato-keen animated short films.
>Unfortunately, one Richard Kaye became the producer of a full-length,
>fact-based feature on Mike's struggles in the animation world. I say
>unfortunately because art imitated life and Kaye, who played the sleazy
>producer in the film as well as producing it, turned out to have been
>typecast. Suffice it to say that he screwed Mike over but good, making off
>with a large chunk of money.

>But perhaps I'd be better off letting the man himself answer this.
>Over to you, Mike...

Sigh

My life is an open book.

- Also available on VHS, and Laserdisk!
From: keithd@bigguy.timeplex.com (Keith Dickinson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Up Hill Bicycle Scene in WOSAT
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:10:12 GMT
Organization: Ascom Timeplex Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.132244.16704@zip.eecs.umich.edu> chuck@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Chuck A. Nicholas) writes:
>
>Along similar lines, the one scene in the film that I find most intriguing 
>was when Mike rides his bike up the hill without pedalling it.  I mean his feet
>are completely off of the pedals.  I watched it frame by frame and everything
>else in the scene seems to be  moving normally, i.e. right direction, apparently
>the right speed.  There is a person walking on the hill and some cars moving
>around as well.  If this was done with stop motion, did you stop motion the
>traffic as well?  The only other thing I can guess is a small electric motor
>hidden in the back basket to push the bike?   

If you look closely to when they first cut to the scene, Mike's leggs are just
being being pulled away from the bike.  I believe that furios pumping of the
bike the lifting one's legs away at the last moment will give you that effect.

Comments Mike???

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From: nanook@psycho.fidonet.org (Keith Dickinson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: WIZARD's Up-Hill Bicycle Scene EXPLAINED!
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 13:46:06 EDT
Organization: Psycho: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway of St. Pete Florida

 > From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)

 > PEDALLING REAL FAST THEORY:
 > I was dog-tired, it was a hot day, that's a very steep hill.

That isn't a denial Mike.... ;)

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