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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: new poll
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:19:42 GMT

A new poll question:
Who is the best young player in the National Hockey League? You can
vote for up to 3 at each forward, defense and goal. 

NOTES
---"Young player" is defined as anyone who has played at least 1/2 season but
   no more than 3 full seasons.

---If you vote for more than 1 at a position, please make it clear as to your 
   rankings. If you are voting for players in order (ie Smith is the best, Jones
   second, etc), make sure you put a number before the name (ie #1-Smith, ...).
   If you are not voting for players in any order, then just list the names.

---Any player ranked #1 will get 3 pts, #2 - 2 pts and #3 - 1 pts. Players 
   who are just listed as part of a top 3, will get 2 pts each.

I hope this doesn't confuse anyone but please feel free to participate by
emailing me at the address below.
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From: romano@monolith.bellcore.com (Paul C. Romano)
Subject: RANGERS NEWS: Dave Marcinyshyn signed 
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:03:39 GMT
Keywords: Other odds & ends....


	The NY RANGERS announced the signing of defenseman Dave Marcinyshyn,
who has played NHL hockey with the Devils, but last season played at 
Halifax (AHL) where he had 10 goals & 42 assists for 52 points in 74 games.
He also had 138 penalty minutes. He is expected to battle for the 5-6-7
spots on defense along with Mark Hardy, Joe Cirella, Jay Wells, Per Djoos,
Segei Zubov, Darcy Warenka, and Michael Stewart. RANGERS GM Neil Smith also
announced that he has worked out an agreement to bring Russians Segei Zubov
and Alexei Kovalev to the RANGERS training camp for the entire pre-season. 
He is hopeful of having Kovalev here for the entire season. 

	Smith also said that he is close to signing John VanBiesbrouck to 
a new 3 year deal, and also looking to extend the contract of coach Roger
Neilson for another year......


That's all for now...

Paul Romano
RSH Contact - NY RANGERS


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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Damphousse traded to Montreal
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:06:12 GMT

I saw Damphousse trade rumors on rsh but nothing on the fact that it had
actually taken place. Damphousse was traded to the Canadiens for Shayne
Corson and two other players (one of whom I BELIEVE was Brent Gilchrist).

Nonetheless, it was a GREAT trade for Montreal. Damphousse is one of the most
talented players and will certainly spark the pathetic Habs offense.

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CLARKSON '95			         1992 CALDER CUP CHAMPIONS!!
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU   Calder Cup Champs: 1981 1986 1989 1992
					
rec.sport.hockey's AHL contact

"Hockey must be a great game to survive what the NHL has done to it."
		---Howard Baldwin, Penguins' owner
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SCA Sues
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:48:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

It was a one sentence blurb in my local paper this morning that SCA has
sued ESPN and the NHL.  I don't have any details, but I don't think the
SCA people have a chance in court.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: He shoots...
From: rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:18:25 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


He shoots...


Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: A progresive NHL on the verge of stardom?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:33:00 GMT


>Do you think that this post-Ziegler period could be the re-birth of the
>NHL?  

>I mean, look at all these (IMO) very progressive and very neded rule
>changes.  

>And, hockey's (probably) back on American TV, even if it wasn't 3 times
>a week like SCA (who had terrible announcers anyway).

>Could the NHL be the NBA of the 90s?  By the end of the decade, will we
>find a weekly game on American free-TV that the networks pay for?

>And, will there be Competition for the TV contract?

>My god, let's hope so!

Anything is possible, and the progressive rule changes and a progressive 
marketing effort to push the league's stars will certainly help.  As for 
US network TV exposure and competition for the NHL contract between 
networks, more US expansion is needed for the NHL to have a remote 
chance of becoming "the NBA of the 90s."  

There's a big difference between NBC, ABC, and CBS competing for a game 
between teams based in Atlanta, San Antonio, and Pheonix than Ottawa, 
Winnipeg, and Calgary.

Before all the Canadians jump me, all I'm saying is during a time that will 
see US network sports programming dollars decrease, it is highly unlikely 
that the NHL will feel a jolt of revenue like the NBA picked up in the 80's
especially if the NHL stays put, or worse yet, expands further into Canada. 

A Montreal vs. Toronto world series is a US network's worse nightmare.  The 
odds for an all-Canada show down are better in the NHL and will only get 
better as Ottawa and future Canadian expansion teams get better.

In my opinion, the NHL will be best off if it settles for some US network TV 
exposure, markets it's stars, and looks to pay-per-view for a jolt of big 
dollars.

To make the game "work" on US network TV and bring the NHL huge dollars, 
we'll need to lose a few Canadian teams for some Southern and Western US 
cities, give up the red line to speed up the game and increase scoring for 
the mass US public, condense the three periods concept to "two halves," and 
constantly stop the game for mindless beer and car ads.

All of this, I believe, is destructive and not productive.   

Warren
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Phil Bourque signs w Rangers
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:17:42 GMT

mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater) writes:
>gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes:
>>Pittsburgh free agent left center signed a contract with the 
>>New York Rangers.  
>
>Who's gonna chit chat on the 'DVE morning show now?

I'll put down $1 that he'll show up on Howard Stern's morning show, 
or even better, the missus (Big Red) will ... (-;

Getting back to hockey ... what's the compensation that the Rangers
will have to pay?  (Adam Graves?)

gld
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: hbpeltz@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Harry Peltz)
Subject: Final Call For 1991/2 results
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:41:18 EDT


This is the final call for requests for results from the previous year.
Please request which month you would like.

I would be willing to upload them to an FTP location, if someone
has one with substansial space on it.

Can't wait for the new season to begin,
Harry


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From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FANTASY HOCKEY
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:44:25 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I have some absent GM who are in charge of a roster of approx. 20 players. They
may need an ASST GM or REPLACEMENT. So those interested in FANTASY HOCKEY
please let me know ASAP. I have two league running and may need a few in each.

This is not simulation but a draft of player from various NHL TEAMS which we
collate their stats by certain catagories and see who has the better team. We
have waviers and trades. More info later.

John Carson
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From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: NHL Salaries 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:23:37 GMT
Distribution: world 
 

In article <Bu2E15.718.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.140945.28585@bnr.ca> lavergne@bcarh2b8.bnr.ca
(Marc Lavergne) writes:

>>The NHL Players Association released salary information on Wednesday.
>>Eric Lindros will be the highest paid player this year at 3.5M. 
>>Gretzky is 2nd at about 3M, Messier 3rd at 2.4M and Lemieux 4th
>>at 2.3M. 
>> 
>>This is all expected to change soon. Gretzky, according to his
>>contract and McNall, must always be the best paid player. Messier
>>must always be at least the 3rd best paid player. With Lemieux's
>>impending new contract, Lindros will quickly drop to the 4th best
>>paid player in the league. Lemieux is expected to sign for about   
>>4M a year. I feel sorry with McNall who has to keep up with this
>>pace. Messier can expect at least a 1.2M raise very soon.
>
>
>I don't feel sorry for McNall.  He seems to be tossing his money around freely
>enough between the Kings and the Argonauts.  He's the one that determined 
>Gretzky had to be the highest paid player in the NHL, he's the one that 
>signed Rocket Ishmael to the incredible contract.  He's the one that wanted
>to spend 20 million dollars to get Mark Rypen from the Redskins.  He's the one
>that wants to buy all the toys, no one is forcing him to.
>
>If he runs into financial difficulty it's his own damn fault.  I have no 
>sympathy for him.
>
>Lori


I also have no sympathy for McNall.  The way "Wimpy Wayne" has been playing
the last year or so, he should hang him out to dry, NOT give him more
money!  But the two of them are "best buddies" and, unfortunately, this
influences alot of the decisions made concerning the Kings turning them
into the mediocre team we know and love (heavy sarcasm here!).  Oh Wayne,
please think about retirement . . . SOON :-)

Kris
GO KINGS!

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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Die! NASTY-Pens
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <1992Sep3.203348.1705@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>Well, I have seen your work before and I truly thank you for monitoring the 
>newsgroup for us.
>[... b.s. ...]
>[... shit ...]
>[... assholeX2 ...]
>some guy with no name 

Kirk: Spock, how *do* you explain this strange behaviour?
Spock: Fascinating, Captain. It would seem that each year at the
  beginning of the semester, anti-social children return to the
  net and spew trash. Apparently the number of graduates is exactly
  balanced by the number of new accounts with "Freshman" in their
  address. I find it quite illogical to say things from behind the
  security of a terminal that you wouldn't even think of saying to
  someone's face.
Kirk: But Spock, this guy's from Cincinnati, not from CMU or PSU.
  Speculation?
Spock: Perhaps Captain the world is full of anti-social little twerps
  who are getting a taste of what they think is power, when in fact
  all they're doing is proving how silly they are.
Kirk: Thank you, Spock. I'll watch for them at the Academy.

George
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 00:23:24 -0400 
From: Paul Andrew Platosh <pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Whalers trade Holik for Burke & Weinrich
	<1992Sep1.175335.20079@news.columbia.edu>



>the Whalers need steadier D, but that comes from a senior player such
>as Brad Marsh and not a third year player like Eric Weinrich.  Maybe
>they'll use him as Zalapski's steady or something.  

I don't think the Whale needs any more senior players...Leadership will
come from newly acquired Tim Kerr.

==Paul Platosh
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:10:14 -0400 
From: Paul Andrew Platosh <pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
	<BtoJKH.MIn@rice.edu>
Distribution: na

>>Like I said, I'm a fan of the Hartford Whalers, of the NHL - not the New
>>England Whalers of the WHL.
 

Excuse the type-o.
==Paul Platosh
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Contract details-Bourque/Rangers 
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:22:17 GMT

As we all know by now, Phil Bourque has signed with the Rangers.  He signed a
multi-year contract believed to be worth more than 1 million per year.  Since
Phil is a free agent w/o compensation, the Rangers owe the Pens nothing. 
(The contract info was heard on WDUQ-Radio).

It seems Howard Baldwin's words have rang true.  He said that while he really
wanted to sign guys like Phil (and Joe Mullen), he was not about to pay a
million dollars for them.   I have to agree with him on this.  As much as
I like Bourqie, I don't think he's worth a million a year.

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu
From: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sean Burke to Buffalo for ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:34:35 GMT
Reply-To: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, San Diego, Ca., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

As a Gulls fan and season ticket holder, I hope this is just a rumor.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Hockey Poll
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:52:53 GMT

Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>        Pre-Season Hockey Pool
>3.  Who is the second best hockey player in the world?
>      (Lemieux has been the best for the past 5 years)

Not really much of poll/pool if you are going to declare Lemieux the best
player. I think some people will not agree that he has been the best for the
past 5 years. I'm not going to comment on who I think is the best since it
is irrelevant. Secondly, you choosing the (second) best player in the world,
have you seen the non-NHL competition? I haven't.

Perhaps you wouldn't like it if I phrased one of your other questions:
Who do you think will win the Stanley Cup (besides Pittsburgh, they won't win
it this year)?

Have a poll, but make it a courteous one.

I think you're going to meet Gary very soon (Gary cut him some slack, he is
reading from the beginning of the season 8-).

Tom
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:13:29 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Lorne Epp) writes:
>In article <4921@balrog.ctron.com>, mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>> 
>> Again, Probert at least is a player. Fights that are premeditated by goon
>> players will be obvious. Real players will be given the benefit of the doubt
>> by good referees (or is that a fictional beast like the Centaur?)
>> 
>I have seen plenty of 2-minute instigator penalties called against "real
>players", usually because he obviously started the fight, occasionally
>because the ref had his head up his ass.  I would hope that the new
>penalty will be enforced based on whether the man started the fight,
>without consideration for his ice time or goal totals.

No argument, Lorne.  I think the key words are "benefit of the doubt", which
doesn't mean never, and "obviously", in which case any player should get
called.  In fact, a "real" player oughta get bonus "stupidity points" if
he is too obvious about it.  My point (not clear enough) with Fergie is
that he often retaliated without a fight starting (ie., the original guilty
party was often in no condition to fight after Fergie's check).

>Concerning the new penalty, I think that it might backfire because
>having a player thrown out is not much of a loss if that player
>is good for nothing but fighting, a la Steve Durbano. The old rule,
>which was a minor penalty, resulted in a power play that could
>cost you the game.

Two things:
1) It's not clear to me that an obvious instigator will get only the
instigator penalty.  I'll bet refs will throw in an extra 2 lots of times.

2) It will only "backfire" once a game (the "Durbano" clone [clown?] will
be in the dressing room).  In itself, this will improve NHL hockey while
still giving the WWF-style fans a reason to come to the rinks (at least for
a few minutes of the first period; then, hopefully they will leave and let
real hockey fans enjoy a real game).  Any team that carries 2 "Durbanos"
will get their punishment in the standings, in a league where quality depth
will become more important.

Matt
Phweet!
Penalties: Boston
Neely:  Two minutes Stupidity; Five minutes, Intent to Remove Head
Penalties: Pittsburgh
U. Samuelsson: Two minutes, Slinking; Two minutes, Spitting Teeth
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:17:10 GMT

To everyone who's been telling me that they think Larry Robinson wore a
helmet last year, thanks for the info, but I certainly remember seeing
him play without one.  Maybe he switched from game to game...

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From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: all-star break
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:16:36 GMT
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 28-Aug-92 in all-star break               
user Valerie S. Hammerl@acsu. writes:
>The all-star game is being held February 6 in Montreal, but can
>someone tell me the range of dates for the all-star break?  This may
>be obvious if I looked at a full schedule but I'm tired and I'm
>getting sick of looking at printouts of schedules so I'm asking.  

The full NHL schedule appears in the September 4th issue of The Hockey News.
According to that schedule, there are no games on February 4th, 5th, 6th,
and 7th, with the All-Star game being on the 6th.

A correction to the original schedule is also noted:  The Ottawa/Quebec
originally scheduled for February 18th has been switched to February 17th.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: Edward.Starczewski@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Edward Starczewski)
Subject: Re: RANGERS NEWS: Dave Marcinyshyn signed 
Keywords: Other odds & ends....
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:24:58 GMT

In article <farenebt.714948200@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>What's going on with Utica? They lost another goon! What's become of
>them?
>
>BRI
>
Davey boy hasn't played in Utica for a year, although I don't know how
or why you consider Marcinyshyn a goon, he's afraid of his own shadow
IMHO, and wouldn't check anyone while he was in Utica.

Although on the subject of Utica goons - it is rumored that Jamie
Huscroft won't be back this year.

Edward Starczewski

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: phone numbers (was Re: r.s.h FAQ)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:24:34 GMT

sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) wrote:
>One thing that I was looking for...which might be there if possible.

>A phone number to call for tickets? For example I wish to find out about
>tickets for the Buffalo-Montreal game in Buffalo on Oct. 11, does anybody
>have a number I could call?  I'd rather do it over the phone than drive
>to Buffalo, if I can.

While that could be added, that is what the team contacts are for. There is
one for Buffalo and one for Montreal. Either should be able to help you out,
preferably the home team's contact.

It will be up to Mitch to add phone numbers. I would not have put them in there
since that is part of the info that the team contacts handle and possibly it
would be contained in Glenn's list of a teams' addresses and phone #s.

Tom

P.S. Please remember to change the subject when following up to the FAQ.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Eddie Johnston and Pittsburgh
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:51:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.141915.25456@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>The rumors have been circulating that Eddie Johnston may be the
>coach in Pittsburgh because he and Mario get along...
>
>Question:  What about Eddie and Ron Francis, whom he turfed out
>of Hartford?
>
>Gerald

Ron Francis was interviewed on KDKA-TV a few days ago, and was asked how
he felt about Johnston coaching the Pens.  Francis, who had been stripped
of his "C" and then traded by EJ, was very diplomatic.

He said that it is his job to come and play every day, no matter who the 
coach was.  The choice of who would coach was not his to make, it was out
of his control.  He could not and would not let it bother him.  He said that
he would just take it one day at a time, and give nothing less than his very
best.

Lori