HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:28:58 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero) writes:

-
- From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
- >
- >OKAy !!  WHAT, no capital y  allowMd.  HMy WafflM, what is this?
- >
- >on PMrtwMM was shown in both colour and b&w.  SinvcM thMn somM fo thM colour
- >pronts havM disappMarMd.  Now thM BMMb is dMciding to colourizMd MvMrytinhg
- >PMrtwMM as much as possiblM.
- >
- >FTR, PMrtwMM is thM only Doctor to bM donM in 405-linM b&W and 5 PAL-I colou
- >
- >HopM this clarifiMs somMtinhgs.
-
 [stuff about other things deleted]

OKAY, now that the terminal is working again, let me make the corrections::

OKAY!!

Jon Pertwee was shown in both colour and b&w.  Since them some of the colour
prints have disappeared.  Now the Beeb is deciding to colourize everything
PErtwee as much as possible.

FTR, Pertwee is the only Doctor to be done in 405-line b&w and 625 PAL-I
colour.

Hope this clarifies somethings.

- Mike Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us )
- Remember!  Zarquon Saves!!
- ___
-  * MR/2 1.3 NR * Whips & chains? Sorry,  that's a hardware problem.
-

Oh!! Well!  Now I know how bad things get when they say "We are having
technical dificulties, Please stand by!

BTW New sig: Canadians, send the government a clear message.  On Oct 26,
abstain.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.
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From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: The Doc in England
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:54:40 GMT


  I happened to be in London, England in mid-to-late August, and, of
 course, fell into that pit known as "Forbidden Planet", which supposedly
 is a "mighty fine source o' Whovian material". I was a bit disappointed.
 Sure, they had lots of the fun-filled Target novelizations, but they were
 mostly the newer Syl McCoy ones. I couldn't find any of the more obscure
 novelizations, like some of the Troughton tales (I was searching for the
 Faceless Ones, but it could not be found). They had all the New Adventures,
 of course, but the video section was appalling. I can find better quantities
 at good old Sam the Record Man here on Yonge St. in Toronto!

  I found much better video AND audio material at the BBC Shop on the Strand.
 If you visit London, go there. They had ALL the videos (incl. Pertwee, Baker
 Years, etc.), Shada with the script, plus they had the audio tapes of The
 Macra Terror and Evil of the Daleks. 

  The good Doctor was not prominent in London, to say the least. I did find
 a few amusing displays at the Museum of the Moving Image. They had a
 Cyberman and a Dalek and some cool memorabilia but it was nothing compared
 to 1991's extravaganza.

  To summarize: Anything you're trying to acquire, Who-wise, you can find
 just as easily in the States or in Canada. They've even managed to catch
 up with releases of the New Adventures (they arrive here in North America
 at the worst a month after the England release).

  
  Questions? Comments? Complaints?

					The Woodsman.

-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu             
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Controller of BBC1
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 05:39:55 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

News from DWIN's Enlightenment:

Jonathan Powell will resign early.  To the UK: Is this true or a rumour that is
circulating?

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
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From: danaf@rs6416.ecs.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: INSULTS OF THE DOCTORS..
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:27:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.031639.428@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
|> In article <3khz-hn@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
|> >
|> >Most memorable scenes were with the Brigadier. My memory (on episode name or
|> >other distinguishing features...) fails me at the moment, but one involved the
|> >notion that "there's nothing more firmly clapped shut than the military mind" or
|> >something like that. Anyone remember the exact reference?
|> >
|> Interestingly enough, the line you are remembering here wasn't by Jon at all,
|> but rather Sylvester McCoy in "battlefield."

That is interesting. Sure Jon didn't say something similar? 

Well, there were so many arguments with the Brig, it doesn't seem to be Doctor-
exclusive.

(BTW: That *IS* a better example than the quoted insult, which was (as pointed
out previously...) only a trick to make Ace lose her faith in the Doctor, and 
not a genuine attack. Even the Sixth Doctor was never THAT mean!)

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Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 12:56:43 -0400 
From: "Robert J. Knapp" <rk3h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TCI's address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One thing I thought of last night when doing my F<censored>ing  TCI bill
is this, I wrote "Request For: SCI-FI Channel and Cartoon Network" on
the bill and on the envelop.  This my not do much, but it's worth a try.
 Well, at any rate, hopefully others will be doing similar things to
show that TCI customers are geeks---strike that--- Sci-Fi fans.

(the geek thing was a little joke ;-)  )
 

We can only hope that:

Consumer Demand  =  Corparate Action

(Yeah, right....)
Rob "Money is not our God" Knapp

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and open your mind			|
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is logic.				|
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From: mflt_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mongoose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Further suggestive lines, Gallifreyans vs Time Lords
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:27:30 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BvDvtx.22H@wm.estec.esa.nl> pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) writes:

>There IS an underclass on Gallifrey! If I remember correctly, this theme
was explored in 'The Invasion of Time'. I believe that Leela actually left
the city of the Time Lords and met some of these people; they may even have
played an active role in the foiling of the Sontaran invasion. Anyone out
there with a novelisation of 'The Invasion of Time' wish to expand on this?



You are half-right.  Those people who lived outside Gallifrey were there
because they relenquished their rights as Gallifreyans and emigrated outside
the city.  This is a permanant status, and many of them held some status
when they were in the city.  They weren't exactly a lower class, rather,
'no-class' because they held absolutely no rights becasue they chose to
waive theirs.  Keep in mind that the ultimate punishment to a time lord was
to banish them from the city.
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From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:05:36 GMT
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) says:

>In article 1465@cnsvax.uwec.edu, harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu () writes:
>>There will not be any new Dr. Who episodes.
>>
>>The series finished in the UK in 1989, and the unpopularity of a recent (1992)
>>series of repeats convinced the BBC that Dr. Who was a bust!  Sorry, all you US
>>folks.
>
>What are your sources? Does this mean that the Beeb won't even consider 
REST DELETED


HOW MANY PEOPLE TOOK THE ORIGINAL POST SERIOUSLY?  I took it as an anti-
DR WHO person who wanted to get a rise out of the people who read this 
newsgroup!  Can anyone vouch for the original poster????


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Current Conditions and Countdowns
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:04:02 GMT

This posting is just a reminder to lots of people (anyone reading
the net actually) about two things, no make that lots of things, coming
States-side very soon.

The major *big* imminent event is the CBS/Fox video release of four
new "Doctor Who" titles next week (onn
 the 8th I believe). 

Those titles are:
"The Tomb of the Cybermen"
"Shada"
"The Pertwee Years"
and "The Caves of Androzani"

These tapes will most lkely retail for $19.95 each (or near that anyway)


The other thing is that the Sci-Fi Channel (if they are on schedule)
have started running "The Ark in Space" today (Wednesday) and the other
three episodes will last out the week, with "The Sontaran Experiment" 
on Monday and Tuesday next week, and then ":
Genesis of the Daleks" starting its six-part run.
From: STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who is REAL!
Date: 1 Oct 1992 08:33:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Now that I've gotten you attention...

   I went to a lecture/presentation of UFO's here last night and
he had a few interesting things:

  1) About 3 months ago, a team of British researches said
     that they beleive that they have found a tenth planet
     waaay out there.  The estimates it takes 35000 years to
     revolve around the sun.
     Better send a shipment of gold out to it... :)

  2) One the northern hemisphere of Mars, there are pyramids.
     I think it was a cluster of about five.
      Hmmmm....

   -Dan
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From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Invasion of Time
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:30:38 GMT

A whole bunch of stuff deleted to make this readable.
The stuff is my argument on Mawdryn and Invasion of time.
Ian Robert Asplin replies:

>First off, you've proved my point exactly in the text above, that the Eight
>were Gallifreyans.  You say from, the video that the Time Lords captured
>the eight and set them in the warp ellipse for all eternity.
>Then who does the line "the Elders of our planet" refer to?  Must be the
>time Lords since they are the ones who abandoned them and put them in
>the warp ellips by your own admission!  

Oh Brother. How do you figure this out? The line says that the Elders
abandoned them to their fate. It could mean that the Elders did not try
to interfere when the Time Lords captured them. If they meant the Elders
to be the Time Lords, why did they not say so? There is no compelling argument
that the 8 were ordinary Gallifreyans. Twist it however you like. All you
are doing is attributing a meaning to a throw away line. It can mean all
sorts of things.


>As for Andred, so he;s been to the Academy.  So what?  Doesn't mean he
>went the full route to become a Time Lord.  Enlisted personnel in the
>military also go to a sort of academy but they don't come out officers.

How the hell do you know there is a full route to becoming a Time Lord?
You don't. This is what annoys me about the whole argument. You build
supposition,on supposition. We have no idea how a Gallifreyan becomes a
Time Lord. Maybe they are all born that way. What happens is that people
notice that Time Lords often talk about the Academy. So magically we have
the conclusion: Gallifreyans become Time Lords after they go to the academy,
and that is where they learn to regenerate. This is the work of your
imagination. Then people say the Guards can't be time Lords. Oh but Andred was
a guard and he went to the academy. No problem, he went to a different academy
or he didn't go the whole fictious route you have made up in order to become
a Time Lord. I've said it before. Maybe a future story will confirm all your
ideas, but right now it is all the product of your imagination. That is
fine. I have no fundamental objection to the ideas, but for god's sake why
can't people separate their own imaginings from what has been established beyond
doubt?

Flame off,
mark C.





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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Current Conditions and Countdowns
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:16:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.061317.6990@pimacc.pima.edu> ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.190402.16990@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>> This posting is just a reminder to lots of people (anyone reading
>> the net actually) about two things, no make that lots of things, coming
>> States-side very soon.
>> 
>> The major *big* imminent event is the CBS/Fox video release of four
>> new "Doctor Who" titles next week (onn
>>  the 8th I believe). 
>> 
>> Those titles are:
>> "The Tomb of the Cybermen"
>> "Shada"
>> "The Pertwee Years"
>> and "The Caves of Androzani"
>> 
>> These tapes will most lkely retail for $19.95 each (or near that anyway)
>> 
>
>Anyone have  phone # for ordering direct?
>
>PHIL
>

I don't know if such a thing would be possible, but I will repeat this:
No matter the size or location of your local video store, since these
videos are on a major label ANY store can specially order it for you
and generally get it VERY quickly.  Once again I will tell my little
story:  I live in a small Wisconsin town of 2500 people, and the main
video store in town is purely local, ie not part of a chain or anything
like that.  I can and have asked for them to special order Doctor Who
tapes from CBS/Fox video several times in the past, and the longest
I've ever had to wait is 10 days, average about 3 days.
From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Further suggestive lines,  Gallifreyans vs Time Lords
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: kinni.01GPD7YWB6F68WW1MK

Over the night I thought of more lines from the show itself that
suggest a difference between ordinary Gallifreyans and Time Lords:

from "The Deadly Assassin"
Co-Ordinator Engin:  The bio-data extracts of Time Lords 
	are color coded according to chapter.
Castellan Spandrell:  I didn't know that.
Engin:  No?  Well, your duties usually involve more plebian classes
	don't they Spandrell.

(Who are these other more "plebian" classes if all Gallifreyans are
Time Lords?)

Also from "The Deadly Assassin"
Goth:  The Time Lords must not be seen to be leaderless and in disarray.
(the context refers to an immediate election and the Doctor's trial.
question is, what observers are Goth and the other Time Lords afraid
of?  The public Gallifreyans.  More on this in the next bit...)

"Deadly Assassin"
Borusa:  The scandal would undermine public confidence in the Time
Lords and their leadership.

(who are the Time Lords leading?  We know it isn't anyone off-world due
to their non-interference policies, so it must be people living on
Gallifrey who are not Time Lords, ergo ordinary members of the public.)

And just to make sure no one tries "this is just another thing changed
after Deadly Assassin" (as a lot of things were) try this one from 
"Arc of Infinity."

Damon:  Taylor, look!  Someone's transmitting the bio-data extract of
	one of the Time Lords!

(Why should Damon bother to say "time Lords" if everyone on the planet
is a Time Lord?  the more likely line is "someone's transmitting a 
bio-data extract," possibly ending in "of somebody.")



Right.  Have at that list.
From: istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doc in England
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:37:34 -0500

In article <BCR.92Oct4121802@hpl3sn02.cern.ch>, bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:
>> I happened to be in London, England in mid-to-late August, and, of
>>course, fell into that pit known as "Forbidden Planet", which supposedly
> 
> That was the first place I tried too.  I did manage to find a couple of
> interesting Dr.Who toys, but nothing that would not have actually been
> cheaper at a Dr.Who convention...  Later when wondering some of the back
> streets, I came across a used science fiction store...  The sign with a
> painted picture of a TARDIS caught my attention.  The books were well 
> priced.  I picked up a Patric Troughton adventer for &1.50.  However, most
> of the other stuff I had just seen new at "Forbidden Planet" at lower
> prices.
>
Hmm....so what was this used sf shop?  Was it by any chance Paradise Alley?

FP is a very good place for sf but not exactly a Dr. Who mecca, although
I usually found it okay.  What I did like was that I sometimes could find
fanzines there, and magazines.  But most of my Dr. Who books I obtained from
market stalls and secondhand bookshops and rummage sales!  Much cheaper that
way.  I'll never forget one time I got a Pertwee annual for 20p at a
second-hand bookshop.  A few days later, in Leeds, a friend of mine paid
L9 for the same annual! ;-)

Ellen - the crime doctor

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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Invasion of Time
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:48:05 GMT

markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>a Time Lord. I've said it before. Maybe a future story will confirm all your
>ideas, but right now it is all the product of your imagination. That is
>fine. I have no fundamental objection to the ideas, but for god's sake why
>can't people separate their own imaginings from what has been established 
>beyond doubt?

>Flame off,
>mark C.

They have!  Many times!  Perhaps you weren't paying attention.  All in all,
despite your objections, I find their story to appear more credible than
yours.  When there is nothing out there substancial, one must go with a more
circumstancial approach.  I find it much harder to believe that some alien
race got ahold of many things of Gallifreyan origin (and have Gallifreyan
technology - AND know how to use it!), know alot about theoretical concepts
which have just been shown to be known only in Gallifrey!  I think your leap
of inference to some other race out there that has this Gallifreyan 
knowledge, is a bigger leap than saying they originate from Gallifrey!  You
are bringing a new variable in!  That to me, makes things more complex and 
is less believable.  There is nothing (turning things around) concrete to 
prove they are of a different race - so right now this is just a product of
YOUR imagination.  
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Invasion of Time
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.062450.26315@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>[preliminary stuff deleted]
>
>Ian Robert Asplin remarks on my meditation on Time Lords etc.
>
the chapters, head of security. Runcible says the Time Lords are gathering
>in the Panopticon. Does he mean every single Time Lord. Clearly not. There
>are no Time Ladies there for example. id every Time Lord go to the Doctor's
>inauguration? No obviously not. I think Runcible meant the Cardinals etc
>when he refered to the Time Lords gathering at the resignation. That is
>Time Lords of a specific rank. This is just a theory, but it is a least
>as valid as your theory. The "truth" can only be revealed by an explicit
>statement. "There are gallifreyans who are not Time Lords in any sense of the
>word".  I doubt that such a statement will ever be made, but you never know.
>My objection is not to the theory, but to people asserting things to fact,
>when they are merely opinions and speculation. 
>
>Now a question for you. Assume that there are Gallifreyans who are not 
>Time Lords. Why do you think that these ordinary gallifreyans cannot
>regenerate? If the Time Lords can give the power of regeneration to the 
>Minyans, why would they not give it to the ordinary Gallifreyans? And
>in fact why did the 8 in Mawdryn Undead, whom you claim to be ordinary
>Gallifreyans steal equipment used to assist in regeneration crises, rather
>than the sort of equipment they gave to the Minyans?
>
>Mark C.
>
>

The difference here is that the Minyans couldn't do it naturally, and
the equipment the Minyans had couldn't bestow them naturally (or else
the Minyans would have done it.)  

Perhaps you haven't gotten to them yet, but I later posted (from 
steven.k.manfred@uwrf.edu) further lines from the series' history that
prove the distinction between Time Lord and ordinary Gallifreyans.

Here's one more on top of those: 
from "the Sun Makers"
Computer is asked by the Collector who the Time Lords are and the 
computer replies:
"[a number]  TIME LORDS: Oligarchic rulers of the planet Gallifrey."

So who are the Time Lords ruling if there are no ordinary Gallifreyans?

>
>
>
>
From: davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: drwho_1980.snd
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:14:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

I found the file noted in the subject (drwho_1980.snd) on wuarchive.wustl.edu
in /pub/music ... it was something over 1.2MB long, so it took a LONG time 
to download ... Anyhow, when I got it to my computer, (a 286), it didn't 
play using remac or replay. Is this a different format with a confusing file
name extension that only plays on something like a real computer? :-) Or 
what? Like ... can anyone tell me something about (A) What this file is 
supposed to be; (B) What it can be played on; and (C) Where can I find other
copies of the DrWho theme song (in some format--like that can be played 
through remac or replay, or with modplay [a .mod file for Amiga])?

Much appreciated if anyone can help ... :-)

Buddy, KB5ELV
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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Visions 92 update and Visions 93 teaser
Date: 26 Sep 1992 13:04:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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In a previous article, mrmuon@next05csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) says:

>In article <01GP4ZBBPZTU90MT6Q@kinni.acc.uwrf.edu>  
>steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU writes:
>> CONFIRMED GUESTS:
>..
>> ROBERT LLEWELLYN
>
>Is this the same Robert Llewellyn who's on "the People's Court"?
>If so why would he be a guest at a Who convention.
>(Not that I object. I'm just puzzled.)
>
>


It's not the same guy. The Robert Llewwllyn that's appearing at
Visions '92 plays Kryten On Red Dwarf.

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