From: bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Subject: Re: Postmaster at Carrasso's site
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:18:05 GMT

Some typos somehow made their way in my latest message.  Corrected 
message follows:

In article <1992Dec26.044250.14250@colorado.edu>, bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya) writes:
|> I sent mail to Carrasso's site postmaster to complain about 
|> Carrasso's use of offensive and racist language.  There seems
|> to be the case that these two gentlemen grew up in a same stable.
|> I plan to take the matter further and contact their newsfeed
|> as a first step and and see what other actions are 
|> appropriate.
|> 
|> This postmaster's messages follow:
|> 
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|> Subject: Re: Hamas - soc.culture.arabic #9073
|> To: bouguett@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
|> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:00:33 -0500 (EST)
|> From: Jon Gefaell <jon@Turing.ORG>
|> In-Reply-To: <199212260045.AA07895@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu> from "Athman Bouguettaya" at Dec 25, 92 05:45:28 pm
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|> In reply to Athman Bouguettaya's mail:
|> >
|> >
|> >Dear Sir,
|> >
|> >Below is a message sent by one of your users, Roger Carrasso.  This 
|> >person has repeatedly used offensive language and in certain 
|> >instances racist slurs.  I would appreciate your looking into the matter.   
|> >
|> >Regards,
|> >
|> >Dr. Athman Bouguettaya
|> 
|> Dr. Thank you for your note. I've read what you sent me and agree that
|> perhaps he has indeed used language offensive to you, and that he has
|> also used racial slurs.
|> 
|> 
|> What is your point?
|> 
|> Please read the manual for your news reader and learn how to avoid
|> reading 'offensive' postings. Keywords: Kill File, 'n' key, etc..
|> 
|> Freedom.
|> 
|> In short, fucking ignore it if it bothers you, or do whatever the hell
|> cranks your boat. Just don't expect me to censor free speech to protect
|> your sensibilities.
|> 
|> >
|> >In article <1992Dec26.001957.21618@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
|> >|> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza NAZI Salah) writes:
|> >|> >
|> >|> >>Somehow I can't swallow it.  Do you have evidence that Nissim Toledano
|> >|> >>did kill "not only Palestinian men, but also women and kids"?
|> >|> >
|> >|> >Don't play smart by asking individual evidences!  Be general in your
|> >|> >perspective.  As said in Arabic,"The one who lives with a group of people 40
|> >|> >days, become part of them."  What applies to the border guard who kills
|> >|> >kids, apply to any other border guard.
|> >|> 
|> >|> By the same reasoning Israel is completely justified and *should*
|> >|> expel those 400 Palestinians, for living with, and generally
|> >|> supporting, Hamas, which kills Israelis.  After all "Be general in
|> >|> your perspective".  If Hamas kills a policeman, murder charges should
|> >|> be brought up on all Hamas supporters.  Expulsion for upto 2 years
|> >|> seems gentle by comparison.
|> >|> 
|> >|> now whose being illogical, you racist fuck.
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> carasso.
|> >
|> 
|> 
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|> Subject: Re: deportations - soc.culture.arabic #9074
|> To: bouguett@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
|> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:01:37 -0500 (EST)
|> From: Jon Gefaell <jon@Turing.ORG>
|> In-Reply-To: <199212260143.AA08046@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu> from "Athman Bouguettaya" at Dec 25, 92 06:43:59 pm
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|> In reply to Athman Bouguettaya's mail:
|> >
|> >Dear Sir,
|> >
|> >Here is another Roger Carrasso's message that uses offensive language.  
|> >I would really apreciate your looking into the matter.
|> >
|> >Dr. Athman Bouguettaya
|> 
|> Dr. From what I can tell you really are a 'fuck'
|> 
|> Happy Holidays..
|> 
|> >
|> >============
|> >
|> >
|> >In article <1992Dec26.004047.21818@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
|> >|> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
|> >|> >
|> >|> >This draws our attention once again  to  the  unsolved  problem  of  the
|> >|> >ongoing Israeli occupation of the territories seized in the war of 1967,
|> >|> >which Israel continues to hold in defiance of both international law and
|> >|> >specific United Nations Resolutions.
|> >|> 
|> >|> COMPLETELY FALSE.  RESOLUTION 242 DID NOT CALL UPON ISRAEL TO WITHDRAW
|> >|> FROM ALL TERRITORIES CAPTURED IN JUNE 1967.
|> >|> 
|> >|> There is disagreement over what Resolution 242's statement of
|> >|> principles means.  Arabs argue that Israel must withdraw from ALL
|> >|> territories.  Israel and the United States disagree, pointing to the
|> >|> fact that the Security Council voted on the ENGLISH text of the
|> >|> resolution which deliberately avoided the use of the words ALL of THE.
|> >|> Similarly, the Council did not use the French text so that it could
|> >|> avoid using the words LES or DES.
|> >|> 
|> >|> The American ambassador who led the delegation to the UN in '67,
|> >|> Arthur Goldberg wrote: 
|> >|> 
|> >|>   "The resolution speaks of withdrawal from occupied territories
|> >|> without defining the extent of the withdrawal.  And the notable
|> >|> presence of the words "secure and recognized boundaries" by
|> >|> implication, contemplates that the parties could make territorial
|> >|> adjustments in their peace settlement encompassing less than a
|> >|> complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from the occupied territories,
|> >|> inasmuch as Israel's prior frontiers had proved to be notably
|> >|> insecure."
|> >|> 
|> >|> But there was to be no negotiation with the Arab states as the Arab
|> >|> Leaders declared in Khartoum in August 1967: 
|> >|> 
|> >|>   "Kings and presidents have agreed to unified efforts at
|> >|> international and diplomatic levels to eliminate the consequences of
|> >|> aggression and to assure the withdrawal of the aggressor forces of
|> >|> Israel from Arab lands, but within the limits to which Arab states are
|> >|> committed: NOT PEACE WITH ISRAEL, NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH ISRAEL, NO
|> >|> RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL."
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> There you have it.  25 years ago they could have had it all back, with
|> >|> simple negotiations.  But now, fuck, it's debateable.
|> >|> 
|> >
|> 
|> 
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