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From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (was Re: Blade Runner...(SPOILERS))
Organization: Ironpig Arcadia, Coventry, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:17:44 GMT

In article <svedberg.716507864@msi.umn.edu> svedberg@s20.msi.umn.edu (Eric J. Svedberg) writes:
>steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:
>
>>crunch@camelot.bradley.edu (Randy Bloom) writes:
>
>>>That's like asking "why didn't character a know character b was going to do
>>>that? didn't he read ahead?"  The eye-glowing thing is only a film device
>>>to let the audience "know" who was or wasn't a replicant, and isn't
>>>necessarily an accurate measure. 
>
>>Wha??  Not an accurate measure?  If I saw anyone's eyes glow, I'd think
>>something was up (or they got into the spice :-)
>
>   Well, that's part of the reason they're hard to see glow.  Unless you're
>paying attention you wouldn't notice.  It's a subtle jesture that not
>everyone picks up.
>
>>I have doubts about your
>>interpretation; having replicants' eyes glow for the audience but not for
>>the film's characters is lame.  You might as well have a subtitle which
>>says "This is Holden; he is a replicant".
>>--
>>Dave!
>
>   Well, I hate to spoil your fun Dave, but IMO Randy knows what he is
>talking about.  It isn't a 'lame' idea to me.  The whole idea of the
>subtelness of the glowing eyes is what makes it so simple.  It isn't a gaudy
>subtitle stating "This is Holden; he is a replicant", it's just there for
>those who see it.

Try this for size. It has already been pointed out how significant the image
of the EYE is in BR... EYE = LIFE.

Now it is conventional cinematic language to draw attention by using light.
In general, the first place you look at on a screen in western terms is the
top left hand corner... Then you look at the brightest light source. It's a
subtle way of drawing our attention to one thing in the context of a complete
shot. So, if you wanted to draw attention to the eyes of an individual in a
shot, what better way than to have light reflecting from their eyes?

It is a subtlety, not an obvious thing. I'd never noticed it before it was
mentioned here, and I've seen it well over 100 times (and written an A Grade
Film Studies essay about it).

So, rather than giving us a caption saying "Holden is Replicant", Scott is
instead telling us unconsciously to look at his eyes. Whether he's a 
replicant or not doesn't matter, we don't see him for long enough. We just
need to see the eyes.

I mean, two of the punks wore mirrorshades, does that count for glowing eyes?

Now if only I could solve the puzzle with the vehicle scene-changes...

(See next post.)

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        	 **Ridley McIntyre - Ronin Ironpig**			
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From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones)
Subject: Green Slime (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:26:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.231313.29846@jade.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>In article <BtyDzy.7rw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball") writes:
>>Anyone remember that cheesey sci fi called Green Slime?
>
>	Yes!  I remember this movie very well.  I went to see it with a bunch
>of friends on my birthday.  Of course, I was six at the time, so I rather en-
>joyed it.  

Oy, does *that* bring back memories.  I think that was the only example of
bad movie promotion I recall seeing in my youth in what a history professor
called "darkest Oklahoma."  When it first came out, the "Green Slime Girls"
appeared on *Nightmare* (a local late night horror movie show hosted by
"Count Gregor") to promote the movie.

Now, does anyone remember the lyrics of the theme song?

	James Jones
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Howard's End
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:20:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Toby Koosman writes:
>Anyway, that was the fun of the plot wasn't it, trying to figure
>out how much of Meg's charm and good humor was genuine, and how much was
>manipulation.
>
I think "manipulation" is much too severe a word for the survival skills
that these women displayed. And even if it were "manipulation" why
wouldn't "charm and good humor" be genuine as well. Charm isn't fakeable
and being happy is it's own accomplishment.



-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you all to repent from your sins.
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From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: Highlander Question
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:04:34 GMT


In article <BuA2sH.Mr2@acsu.buffalo.edu>, mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:
> In the movie "The Highlander", was Lambert's character named:
> 
> 		Collin, Collum, or Connor   Macloud?

It was Connor MacLeod.
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Hitchcock cameos in Rebecca and Suspicion?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:28:39 GMT

In article <8010@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> kwilliam@ada.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan) writes:
>	I just saw both Rebecca and Suspicion and am wondering where
>Hitchcock appears in both films?
>	Rebecca: near the end of the film, when a person with Hitchcock's
>portly frame passes by a telephone booth behind a policeman and one
>of the characters in the movie. 

This is correct.  It is confirmed by Leonard Leff's commentary on the
second audio track of the Criterion CAV LaserDisc.

Nice job to pick him out.  I didn't notice until I heard the Leff commentary a
couple of weeks ago.  Can't help you with "Suspicion", though.

And as much as I love all the goodies in this Criterion edition, it only makes
me want to have other discs with "extras".  I know "War Of The Roses" is
chok full o' stuff, but what other LD's have extra stuff included in them?


I'm craving...

Thanks,

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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: "Reservoir Dogs" review. (DO NOT) See this film!
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.170258.304@dct.ac.uk> mctsrj@dct.ac.uk writes:

>Reservoir Dogs
>(*** SOME SPOILERS ***)
>Dir: Quentin Tarantino  (I think)
>Leading Players : Harvery Keitel, Tim Roth, Chris Penn, Steve Buscemi

>The script and acting are impeccable.  We get a blend between House of
>Games and Good Fellas - sharp brutal dialogue and very brutal violence.
>This is not an easy film to watch (stunned silence was the audience
>reaction at the end) 

>Male bonding with guns, blood, violence and swearing - unlikely
>to be coming to too many cinemas near you.

Oh gawd, you have to be kidding.

Saw this film at Sundance Film Fest in Jan '92. I thought at the time that 
it was the most repugnant, malignant festering stain of a film I had ever 
seen. In retrospect I'm more convinced of it than ever. 

BOYCOTT RESERVOIR DOGS! Do not see this film unless you appreciate 
unbelievable amounts of ultra-graphic violence, unrelenting racism, and have 
a tolerance for deep seated sociopathy. This film is unredeemable 
contemptible and sick.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: robert vaughn blackballed?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:02:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep8.172803.29967@wri.com> andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.113921.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>  
>rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>> > 
>> > How about the voice of Proteus in Demon Seed -- Robert Vaughn when he
>> > was blackballed in Hollywood?
>> > 
>> > GMS
>> ----
>> I didn't know he was blackballed... Why?
>
>I second that question!
>
>AK

I wish I knew more.  I seem to remember it being because of some
political thing, which surprised me, post-McCarthy and all.

I do remember hearing that he couldn't get any work except that
voice-over at that time.  I don't remember seeing him recently,
either, unfortunately.


GMS
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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins: Aids: Died yesterday.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:42:04 GMT
Organization: Not
Keywords: aids,physcho

In article <sheppamj.716406490@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes:
> just got confirmation from good old CNN.  Anthony Perkins has dies from
> complications resulting from AIDS.

> This is the first occurance of a famous person contracting the disease
> and having it run it's course and the media NOT making a show of it.

I believe Merrit Buttrick (sp?) (Formerly Meredith Buttrick I think - of
Star Trek I fame ["Preppie on the bridge" - Kirk's son] and Johnny on
Square Pegs, for two roles) died of AIDS a while ago, but I don't
remember hearing about it in the media (?), so this might be a counter-
example.

I also heard Stephen Stucker from Airplane ("It can be a hat, or a brooch,
or a pterodactyl, flies like this you see") died of AIDS, but I heard that
from a woman who believes the Enquirer so I don't know how good the source is.

Can someone "burden me with facts" thereon?
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:27475 alt.cult-movies:7766
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:20:04 GMT

Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29802]: thor
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:14:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.050129.25123@cs.tulane.edu> jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.191648.16236@idacom.hp.com> kenl@idacom.UUCP (Ken Loo) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.163259.27909@bradley.bradley.edu> gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:
>>>
>>>i'd have to say the last star trek movie made me ill....but i couldn't walk out
>>>because i wasn't the one who drove!
>>>
>>
>>Are you sure it was Star 6, or 5?  The Undiscovered Country IMO was one of
>>the best movies of '91 and a perfect ending for the Star Trek films.  Not
>>only did deal with a theme that MOST people can relate to, but it had some
>>really good lines.
>>
>>"You're a great one for logic.  I'm a great one for venturing where angels
>>fear to tread.  Reality is probably somewhere in the middle."
>>                                -Captain Kirk
>>
>I totally agree... (although one of my favorite scenes is where Bones
>just kinda gives Kirk an exasperated look after -once again- Kirk gets
>the girl...
>I haven't seen % yet, and from what I've heard, I don't want to see it!
>
Oops, I hit the shift when I shouldn't have...
I haven't seen ST 5 yet... (I haven't seen ST % either... :)  )

Misti
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Comments on Siesta?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:57:41 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep8.185846.19549@morrow.stanford.edu>, trm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us 
(Tara R. Marchand) writes:

> Subject: Comments on _Siesta_?
(And by the way...this article showed up 3 times at my site...not bitching,
 just wanted to let you know so you could correct the problem)
 
> I just finished watching _Siesta_, which stars Ellen Barkin, Gabriel Byrne,
> Julian Sands, and Jodi Fostr.  
How have I missed this movie?  The last three are three of my *favorite*
actors.  (And yes, I think Jodie can be called an actor!)

> Did you like it?  Why or why not?  
I'll let you know soon.  :^)

> (Side note: aren't Byrne & Barkin married/divorced/separated and/or 
> parenting together?)  
Yes...they are either married or living together.  (I think the former, and I
think this movie is where they met)  And they will be coming out with a movie
starring both of them soon.  I know it takes place in Ireland, and have seen a 
scene of them on horse-back.

> (Another side note:  Wasn't Byrne incredible in "Miller's Crossing", and did 
> he get any recognition at all for his performance?)  
Yes he was.  One of the reasons he's one of my favorites.  And I'm sure what 
ever credit he got from the critics couldn't have been enough for me.  :^)

> Another side note:  I think Byrne and Sands play Byron and Shelley in another
> movie (or was it in this one?  lots of intertextuality it seemed.)  Oh well. 
Yep.  Ken Russell's _Gothic_.  Very strange, very interesting.  Go check it
out if you haven't seen it.  Julian Sands is great...another little known movie
of his is called _The Doctor and the Devils_, and stars Timothy Dalton and
Jonathan Pryce, and features Patrick Stewart and Twiggy.

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
From: bbm@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian B. Mathewson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Does anyone know the name of this Japanese movie?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 03:25:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bbm@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian B. Mathewson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I while ago I saw an interesting and amusing movie on Bravo, the cable
network channel.  I'd like to know the name of the movie, because for
some reason I couldn't find out the name before.

The movie was in Japanese with English subtitles, was fairly up-to-date
and in color.  The storyline was about a young woman learning how to
run a soup stand (which are evidently popular in Japan) from an old,
wise man.  The situations were very modern, and some of the scenes
were simply hilarious.  The only recent Japanese movie I've ever seen
was Ran, so I was happy to see a more light-hearted Japanese film.

-- 

Brian Mathewson   bbm@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu
                  bbm at Cleveland Freenet
From: fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: BLADE RUNNER: The Director's Cut
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:52:43 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

>many delightful minutiae. They make the world of 2019 L.A., with its
>flying billboards, its 700-storey arcologies, its medieval street life,
>open markets and open sewers, the grungy soba bars, the dwarf
>scavengers, the open bonfires complete and whole and real. Everything
I thought Blade runner takes place in San Francisco, not LA. I know the book
does.

Sam

P.S., The movie was well worth seeing in the theater, however, I thought
some of the edits (where the footage was added or deleted) were really rough.
I was surprised how many new things I noticed becuse of the big screen
and the lack of the distracting voiceovers.
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From: barksdaf@infonode.ingr.com (Alan F. Barksdale)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:52:20 GMT

In article <5041@news.duke.edu> esa@acpub.duke.edu (EMILY ANGERER) writes:
>Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, although Cool World came pretty close.  I paid
>full price for both.  Yuck.
>
>-Emily

_PWBA_ is an exploration of middle-class American suburbia, childhood, and
kitsch that future historians will study closely.  Pee Wee is a culture hero.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movie Ads in other Movies
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:51:17 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep15.154923.12854@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (I'm not really a doctor...) writes:
>
>  I was watching "My Blue Heaven" last night and I noticed that at the theater 
>in the town they were in "White Hunter, Black Heart" (or BH,WH) was playing.  
>Then I remembered seeing that movie on HBO about a year ago, and I thought they 
>said it was on HBO Original.  So were they advertising an upcoming movie for 
>HBO, or am I mistaken?

"White Hunter, Black Heart" was originally a theatrical release.  It did
not do too well in theaters, so it may not have opened in too many cities.

--
		Peter Reiher
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:29:05 GMT

In an article earlier in this thread, already expired here, someone
was talking about how sex scenes interrupted their suspension of
disbelief, because they realized that the actors were real people
doing that.  It was then pointed out that filming a sex scene is,
for most actors, anything but erotic.

Well, in this connection, I can't resist quoting the following remark.
A well-known actor (possibly John Gielgud, I don't remember) apparently
said it to his co-star just before they began filming a sex scene:

  Please forgive me if I get an erection, and also if I don't.
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SoftQuad Inc., Toronto	   single film showing in London today which deals with
utzoo!sq!msb		   one of the burning issues of the day."
msb@sq.com		      -- Lord Tyrell, British film censors' chief, 1937

This article is in the public domain.
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From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: Of Mice and Men
Keywords: movies, steinbeck, censure
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.191725.26527@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Pina) writes:
>Besides, Peter Falk starred in a SUPERB version (on public television) a
>few years ago. 

Is that right?  I know there was a recent one (within 10 years or so) with
Robert Blake and Randy Quaid; the old one with Lon Chaney and Burgess
Meredith and Noah Beery is still great.


>I know that OM&M is presently on the right-winged, neo-nazi, {republican}, conservative hit list for school library censorship.  If this movie is an attempt
>to educate the public, AMEN!  Hopefully, the publicity for the movie will
>include anti-censorship sentiment.

Somebody mentioned that in rec.arts.books the other day; I asked what was
the basis for objecting to this book, and nobody could (or would) say.  Do
you have any idea why somebody would boycott this book?

Although, people boycott lots of books, and 'tain't just the right-wingers.

-mm-
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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: matte lines around spaceships
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:49:16 GMT


When I watch Star Trek (the original show) or even a tape of
Empire Strikes Back, I see extremely obvious lines around teh
ships, or in the case of Empire, even the asteroids. That is,
there is a rectangular frame around each object that changes every
few frames.
Why are these lines so obvious on the tv screen but not noticeable
on a film screen?
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
From: eric@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Eric Tend)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:59:43 GMT
Subject: Re: John Woo's HARD-BOILED in S.F.???
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies


I got someone to translate the phone message and this is the info :

     main feature : HARD-BOILED       showtimes:  2:10, 6:05, 9:50
     2nd  feature : CONTUN TEA HOUSE  showtimes: 12:30, 4:25, 8:10

The movie will only play through the weekend (Fri, Sat, Sun) and a movie
change will occur on Monday.

--Eric--
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: John Turturro (was Re: Barton Fink Defense)
Summary: (watch your follow-ups stainless...)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:05:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep8.150634.26768@ucselx.sdsu.edu>, maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu 
(Generic Account 1104) writes:

> Also, John Turturro's performance as the title character is nothing less 
> than brilliant. (Check his performance as the obnoxious Pino in Spike Lee's 
> _Do the Right Thing_ for comparison

For even more interesting comparisons check out John in _Jungle Fever_
and _Miller's Crossing_.  Damn that guy has range!

He even stared in a Macbeth remake cast with gangsters...it didn't work for
me, but was interesting.  What was the name?  _Men of Respect_ I think?

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
                                            Matt Dillon in _Drugstore Cowboy_
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