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From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:50:38 GMT

In article <labb4fINN7v1@cronkite>, andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
>In article 92Sep3081816@z.eecs.umich.edu, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.233749.19937@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>>
>>   The car loan was from Seattle bank.  According to USA Today, the NCAA found 
>>   nothing wrong with it, and rightly so.  The NCAA wouldn't want to be telling 
>>   banks to whom they can loan their money, would they?  If yes, then all the 
>>   players soon expecting the "big bucks" from the NFL would have to be suspended.
>>
>>Dubose got a 25k car loan, no money down and no payments for one year, when
>>the whole sum comes do immediately.  He is reported to have said that that he
>>will pay it off with his salary from the NFL. 
>
>Don't these terms seem a little strange ?  I just bought a car,  I doubt I could
>have negotiated terms like this.  Bankers do not make no payment loans on a car.

What do you mean?  The spring before I graduated from college I was
getting junk mail with all kinds of offers for 1st time car buyer
loans with no down payment or payment of any kind for 3-6 months.  I
would have had to show that I had a job offer to qualify, but I bet
being a highly rated pro prospect works just as well.

>
>No banker in his right mind would give Dubose a loan on the promise of NFL 
>riches.  Dubose is far from certain to be a high NFL draft choice.  Remeber a
>Nebraska RB Doug Dubose ?  All AMerican as a Jr,  tore up his knee just before
>his Sr year.  The most ironic part,  his insurance to cover career ending injury
>didn't help.  He was signed by the 49ers as a rookie free agent & played a little,

Then he probably made enough cash to pay back a $25 k loan.  What's
the league minimum anyway?

>so he did not have a career ending injury. Miami's RB Melvin Bratton was in the
>same situation.
>
>I would love to see someone ask a banker if they would make this loan, 
>with no collateral.  

The car is collateral.  Granted it would depreciate significantly in
one year, but I bet the banker charges a lot of interest on loans like
this.   Besides even if DuBose were to get hurt, he will probably
graduate and get a decent job. Most ND grads do.

Just because the loan is different than your usual car loan does not
mean that there was anything wrong with it.
>---
>Andy Knipp  SE                |

Bob Jones
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:00:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 7382@news.nd.edu, rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
> 	The word just came in from the NCAA concerning the 
>status of Notre Dame's DuBose.  He was suspended for 2 games
>(NU and MU) for accpeting a $600 dollar loan.  He was also
>cleared of any wrongdoing concerning a $25000 car loan which
>was also brought into question.

Why was he cleared in the car loan ?  Did it not happen ?  It seemed
pretty clear,  by the Tribune reports that this was a violation.  DId the
NCAA give any indication why he was cleared ?  



---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: coaching move rumor
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

I have heard a rumor that Jackie Sherrill will resign at the end of the
season to return to Pittsburgh. (Of course that requires Paul Hackett
be fired.)


I do not know if there is anything to it at all, it could just be an
example of the following:

1) Find a program that has disappointed in recent years.

2) Take the name of any prominent coach, past or present.

3) Say, "#2 will be going to #1" , and you have an instant rumor
   that is not easily disproven.

Along the same lines I could say that John Robinson will return to
USC next year. 


On Sherill, I know someone that played for Pitt when he took over
from Johnny Majors. Sherrill was not well liked by the players
because he was not personable, often in a bad mood.
Jimmy Johnson was also on Major's staff, and was considered a good
coach, though a little too much into the Rah-Rah for my friend's taste.


                                        Al   
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From: dakos@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Dennis Akos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Where is the JP Sports Network Avail at? (I want the Vandy/Bama game)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:10:49 GMT
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens


     Since TBS isn't broadcasting the SEC games anymore, I guess they
are now going over the JP (??? Is this right) Sports Network. IS
this only avail in the South or what, none of our local cable
companies carry it!

     Unless someone can offer any suggestions or info (Other
than get a dish) I guess I'm off to the local sports bar to beg
and plead my case with the owner.

da
From: tgrant@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tired of t.u. fans
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:26:15 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

>
>I'm also sick of that "satanic" UT symbol.
>

BTW, Maybe someone in Austin can tell us more about the "satanic" worship
ceremony before that non-rival Thanksgiving day game. I think they
call it a texas hex or something.  Didn't it replace a bonfire that paled
in comparison, I mean damaged the environment. ;-)

>
>BTW, what the heck does "Gig 'Em" mean?  "Hook 'em" is pretty obvious.
>

A gig is a fork like thing for hunting frog's, the term came from road
triping to Fort Worth to play the TCU Horned Frogs, thus the thumb gesture.

TSGrant  TAMU '89
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:05:30 GMT

In article <9209041917.AA22885@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.142655.27936@spdc.ti.com>,
>dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>
>>Woof.
>>
>>    OOOO                                                        
>>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
>>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
>>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  
>>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
>>      U    U                                      | 
>>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman.        |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
>
>To which I respond:
>
>Woof, woof.
>
>  N     N                                                      
>DDNNDDDDDD                                      |     Mike Noonan
>D N N   N D       Notre Dame Fightin' Irish     |                
>D N  N  N D  National College Football Champions|  
>D N   N N D   '24'29'30'43'46'47'49'66'73'77'88 |   noonan@dseg.ti.com
>DDNDDDDDDD                                      | 
>  N     N         Mirer/Bettis for Heisman.     |      "Uh huh!"
>                   -----------------------

Very impressive.  But I was woofing our victory last night, you could have
at least waited until after *your* victory Saturday!  Of course, ND is the
only school that can even think about pulling traditional rank on OU.

It will be interesting to compare Gundy/Rasheed numbers with Mirer/Bettis
numbers.  (I know, the schedules are different, etc.  It will still be fun).

(BTW, I was just counting AP MNC's, of which ND has 8, OU 6, all of OU's 
came in the latter half of the century.  But, please let's not start the
MNC-counting thread again.  It is, after all, Mythical.).

Bill Dostalik
From: DCS@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:(another) coaching move rumor
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:26:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92248.162644DCS
Organization: Penn State University

Many, many, many Clemson fans still rue the day Lord Ford left the program.
These "let's put the integrity of the university somewhere fans" would be
elated to see Hatfield in a U-Haul instead of being top Tiger.  In fact, my
Tiger friend still "yucks it up" about the 1981 season and the virtues of
risking probation for the mythical national title.  It doesn't really matter
to me who the head coach of Clemson is.....just as long as they keep the
fantastic college footbal atmosphere (last weeks SI) and that fabulous band.
However, on October24, the Pack will be on the prowl!  Go State!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:22:23 GMT
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation

>wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

>I didn't really want Stanfurd to lose this one, because any time a Pac
>10 team beats an out of conference team it's a good thing.

Not this conference thing again.  Conferences don't win NC's, teams do.
Washington won a NC last year, but the Pac-10 didn't get a NC ring.
Conferenes should count all games for the title, then we wouldn't want
our little conferences buddys to win any games before we win the title.
Just like in the NFL.

>It's bad
>enough that there is so much East Coast Media Bias (tm) and if Stanfurd
>had won it would have given the Pac 10 more of the recognition it
>deserves.

The SEC and ACC doesn't give the Big-10 any Respect.  But the West Coast 
Media Bias gives the Big-Choke Conferences a lot of respect every Rose Bowl.
Looks like a WCMB plot to me every NYD.  Join the Alliance.


>By the way, that SI top 20 is hilarious.  San Diego State is better than
>all 4 of the Pac 10 California teams????  NOT!  

SDST's Marshell Falk  is the best RB in the nation.  SDST is starting to
move up every year.  BTW, I am not a fan. SDST can play ball with anyone
this year.  Just because they are a  new team, doesn't meant they are not
a top 20 team.  Lasy year your Cal boys were in the same boat as SDST, a
good team with no-respect.   Pre-season polls are just fans that have a
vote in te poll, looking for the one or two big names on the teams.  It's
like this Rick Mires and Jerome Bettis check, ND is #3.  They could have
had the other 20 player leave for the NFL and they still only see the big
names before they use the vote.

It all works out by NYD.  Oh, NO...  Doesn't the WAC champ get the Big-Ten
runner up in the Holiday Bowl.  Gee, wasn't it a Big-Ten team that gave the
WAC's BYU it's last NC?   These WAC guys are using this West Coast Media Bias
too.  Those copy cats, maybe the Pac-10 can get a good lawyer and sue them.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NCSU!
Keywords: n
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:15:49 GMT
Organization: Chevron

schmuck writes:
>
>my thoughts on Stanford:
>   great defense!!  
>      
>my thoughes on A&M:
>   great defense!!
>   get an offense!!   :-)   I think Sept 5 in Baton Rouge will give the
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>      country a better indication of the Cardinal defense than the 
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      Pigskin Classic did.
>
>cmuck

A little pre-game woofing for A&M's Big-O?

While the Tigers' Big-Eaux may leave little to be desired this year,
our DEE is ***PRIMED*** and Howngry!!!

Woof Disclaimer:  It's a DAY Game.  A Tiger fan's thought on day
games...

DAYGAMESREEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!DAYGAMESAREFORFIGHTINFRENCHMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAYGAMESREEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!DAYGAMESAREFORFIGHTINFRENCHMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAYGAMESREEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!DAYGAMESAREFORFIGHTINFRENCHMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAYGAMESREEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!DAYGAMESAREFORFIGHTINFRENCHMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
>=======================================================================
>Aggie winning streak ------>   1   and cringing
>=======================================================================

Hey cmuck.  I'll be in Death Valley Saturday.  Maybe I'll see ya; in
fact, let's get our groups together after the game, pal around, get a
bite to eat, talk about the good ol' net.times we've had.


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KILL the Hadnot Have-nots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 20--1 Sep
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:19:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92246.091950ENVIRON
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


     I don't remember for sure if I saw Stanford in your first rankings, but
I thought I did... If so, did the Cardinal really fall *completely* out of the
top 25 after losing to a Top 10 team by the spread (a field goal)?

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:10:24 GMT

In article <stricher-030992102259@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>
>BTW: yer a goober, Njan.

If you say so, oh mighty master!

>James - does this guy know who I really woof for?

Njan
From: js58@prism.gatech.EDU (SOWELL, JAMES R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU - GA Tech Football Tickets
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:51:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Sorry my previous posting did not get through completely.

                         POSTED FOR A FRIEND

Wanted:  A total of 6 tickets for the FSU - GA Tech football game.  Will buy 
pairs of tickets.  If interested, contact Carl at 404-584-3095 (evenings).



-- 
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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: A&M is way-cool (was: something about cajun-high)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:27:41 GMT

SMITH LISA MIN-YI (chen@a.cs.okstate.edu) wrote:
: My prediction:
: 
:   LSU 100
:   A&M   2

Yo Lisa, is dat da mini-lsu, or da regular lsu?

ps. Are you taking lsu and giving 98 points?  Goober might even be able
    to feed momma and the new kid with that!

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:18:09 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) wrote:
}
}Pare that list down (or at least write WR in smaller letters) since only twice 
}has the award gone to a WR (Tim Brown and Desmond Howard.)  The only other 
}non-RB/QB player to win was Leon Hart who played Tight End.

On the off chance I can beat Nebraska Marty or Bapi Gupta to the punch,
Johnny Rodgers of Nebraska ('72 Heisman winner) was a Flanker.

Also End Larry Kelley of Yale won the award in 1935.

I think it's safe to say that receiver, running back, and quarterback are
the only positions who can win.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Yes!  The Dreaded GCMB!
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:02:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


  Gentlemen and Ladies:

  I have stumbled across something so insidious, so shocking, that I just *had*
to bring it to your attention.

  Consider this:

  Miami, Florida State, Florida, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Alabama, all in
the top 25-30 or so...all from Gulf Coast states...

  You realize what this means, DON'T YOU?

  YES!  It's the rise of the dreaded Gulf Coast Media Bias (GCMB[tm])!  Flee for
your lives, while those of us brave correspondents strive to bring you yet 
more evidence of this conspiracy!  Please, if you know anything about this,
post your information.  We must act swiftly to save College Football from these
deadly MB plagues!

and just in case: ;-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: What would you think if....?
Reply-To: trice@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 14:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.134735.11038@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
|> 
|> What would you think if a team continued woofing about beating its rival
|> in 1990, when in 1991 this team had been slaughtered by its in-state rival
|> 38-0.
|> 

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I brought up a game from the same year that another
person referenced.  How is this any different than bringing
up a 1991 game?  Huh?                              

Did Mr. Jefferson teach you to "Do as I say, not as I do?"   

Yes UVa beat Tech 38-0.  Tech had a rotten year.

Why must you people insist that I am woofing?  Why don't
you go study?  



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         Systems Development Environment Support         
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: More Apple Cup stuff!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:55:08 GMT

In article <10425@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
> In article <66426@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> >10-24%                  Hapless Victim          Navy to Notre Dame
> >0-9%                    Humble Servant,         Florida State to Georgia Tech
> >                        Lapdog Toady            Virginia to Clemson
> 
> Hmmm...lapdog toady is pretty good, but...
> 
> How about Worthless Whipping Boy instead?

Whooooooa.  Leave it alone.  With Mark Mitchell's permission
Rutgers' Coach Doug Graber gave his stirring If-We-Beat-Pitt-
We-Go-From-Lapdog-Toady-(0-9)-To-Hapless-Victim-(1-10) speach.
I think it was quite a motivation.

Coach Graber also said the 20 players who are injured and not
practicing will not play in the season opener against BC.
10 of the injured players reported for the next practice.
Quite a motivator, that Graber.


> 
> David Poore
> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
> 


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: CFPOOL: Week #1 Entry
Reply-To: stassen@alc.com
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:21:42 GMT


If you want the introduction to the CFPOOL (rules for entry, method of
scoring, hints for strategy, etc.) just ask via Email (to stassen@alc.com).

Game list for 9/5 (18 games):

	Akron @ Eastern Michigan
	Central Michigan @ Kentucky
	Hawaii @ Oregon
	Houston @ Tulsa
	Louisiana Tech @ Baylor
	Louisville @ Ohio State
	Miami (Florida) @ Iowa
	Miami (Ohio) @ West Virginia
	Mississippi State @ Texas
	Nevada @ Wyoming
	Rice @ Air Force
	Rutgers @ Boston College
	San Jose State @ Cal
	Southern Cal @ San Diego State
	Syracuse @ East Carolina
	TCU @ New Mexico
	Texas A&M @ Louisiana State
	Tulane @ Southern Methodist

(Don't worry, you'll see more teams from the major conferences once the
 season gets going.  A lot of teams aren't playing this week.)

Don't forget:	Enter by Email only.  Order predictions by 'confidence'.
		Place a $ by itself on the line above the first pick.

Note:		Scoring for this week will be a delayed and the entry for
		next week will be out a little early, as I will be in Ohio
		attending OSU/Louisville over Labor Day weekend.
--
Chris Stassen 			 408-943-0630 			stassen@alc.com