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From: B7IW@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA ("Wittaya La-orchan")
Subject: Re:Compromising.. and Ajarn Suluk
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 01:19:58 EST
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Khun Tanachart writes;

>While we are discussing about the amnesty decree, many request for being
>Compromise. One of the reason is they afarid of further violent.
>That's fair enough in case that no lose of life. I don't want to see
>further crackdown as well. But it's unfair for the relatives of those
>who pass away...

>            --------------stuff deleted-----------------

>Yes, let's compromise and forgive murderers, but should be no mercy for
>a very good person like Ajarn Suluk.

I don't agree with the idea of compromising neither. It's nothing but
dragging the country back to the darkness.

Suchinda must be punished for the benefits of the country. First of all,
he is a symbolic of dark power in Thailand, punishing him should clearly show
a good political message to other mafias. This may stop or at lease slow them
down. Secondly, the government will regain trust from its people and the world.
Ordinary people who doesn't have guns or money power will feel more secure
living in this country. This is also apply to the foreigners who want to do
business in Thailand. Compromising is nothing but ensuring the ideology of
dark power.

One reason that Democrat party was elected this time because of the May
crisis where the power of rightness was promoted. The government now is a
symbolic of that power. They must do everything to show the people that
they've done the right thing and it pays. This will incidently improve norm
of rightness in our society.

Wittaya.
From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: How is the Clinton administration going to affect Thailand and Asia?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 15:36:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

Sawasdee ka everyone.

I have a question here that I and my history professor is interested in getting
answers to.  I don't know if anyone here can give any answers.

My question (as stated in the subject line) is how is Thailand and Asia
going to be affected in terms of businesses, etc. with Clinton being the
new president of the US.  I have heard that in Taiwan they are playing
"let's wait and see" as no one seems to know what Clinton's foreign policies
are.  As far as I know, Thailand has received quite a large amount of US aide
while the Republicans were in office.  Now that there is a Democrate in the
White House, how is that going to effect us and the Pacifc Rim region?

Specifically for netnews readers who are in Thailand, what was the reaction
of our government, the media and the economists when the results of the
presidental election was announced?

Any kind of answers, personal opinion or if anyone has read any commentary on 
these issues is appreciated.


With highest regards,

Lisa Taikitsadaporn
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
BS CS/MIS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: shm@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Shailendra Majmundar)
Subject: Airlines recommendations needed
Reply-To: shm@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:07:16 GMT

Hi netters!

My  wife need to go to Thailand in February. I am wondering if anyone could 
recommend a good (cheap) air lines or travel agent or point to FAQ somewhere. 
From Thailand I am planning to go to India, my home country before comming back 
and the rates I was quoted so far is more than 2 grans.

Many thanks in advance,
Shailendra (shm@syl.nj.nec.com)
From: kochpat%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Dan Kochpatcharin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Pop music??
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:15:16 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi,
	I have been in the U.S. too long and have not read any Thai
newspaper.  I just want to know who or what group(music) are the most popular
right now.  

	One more question, is CD popular in Thailand.  I went to the Thai
bookstore(Siam Book Center) in L.A. last month, and did not see any
C.D..  Actually, I have never seen any Thai CD being sold there. 


Thanks,
Dan

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LSI LOGIC CORPORATION.
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MS E-192			Fax:   (408) 433-6802
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: Please Don't Bite the Dust
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:56:26 GMT


fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:


>I have a Constitution question to ask.

>The Democrat Party has 78 MPs and the Chartthai Party has 77 MPs.
>That's why the DP got to form the gov. What if a DP MP is out of
>the MPship for whatever reason and a CP-MP won the by-election.
>Would the DP-led gov be abolished and the CP form a new gov?

>If that is the case, I'm worried since political figures have been
>known to misteriously run into unidentified flying bullets in Thailand.

>-Tawit

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Free Speech is a national joke when politcians still get honorarium
>for their speech.
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I don't think number is mechancally taken like that. Remember at one time
we had SAP of Krukrit which won only, if I am not mistaken, on 28 seats, far
less than other parties with which SAP joined the coalition government. 

At this time too, the CP could have set itself as the core party of the
coalition if its leaders were able to convince other parties to join. 
Assination of any members of the DP at this time would not change much
thing. So long as the Paliament does not vote non-confidence, this Chuan
government would still prevail.
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok night clubs
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:56:43 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

Sawasdee Khrup Tuk Kon

When I visited Bangkok last summer, I was invited to go to two night clubs
(also called discos).  I declined the invitation because the entrance fee
was 500b.  Is this normal for most clubs?  500b = $20 which is incredibly
expensive even for Americans.  If I visit a club in a town in America, it
will cost me $3-$5.  Most are free.  

If I visit a club in a large city, it may cost $5-14.  Clubs in San
Jose, California usually cost $5.  Clubs in San Francisco usually
cost $10.

Who goes to these clubs in Bangkok?  Farang?  The price should keep out
most Thais.  But I heard these clubs always have too many people.  What
style music is played?  Do Thais dance to this music or listen only?
Do the clubs serve food or only alcohol?

Which clubs are most popular?  Where are they located?

Khawp Khun Khrup

    tim
From:  (Thomas Mc Neill)
Subject: Re: New arrests in Thai flesh trade scandal
Followup-To: soc.culture.thai
Organization: Loughborough Uni. Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:43:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.185138.14096@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>,
jdcarmack@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
> 
> We don't get clari.news.* here.  Perhaps, if enough people are interested,
> then those that do receive it can repost appropriate articles here in s.c.t.
> 
> Anyone else interested?
> 

Yes, Most Definitely

Tom Mc Neill
Loughborough University
Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: SB
Subject: The Quality Pinnacle Hotel
Originator: ac05@sol.acs.unt.edu
Keywords: hotel, layover, Thai Air
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:16:40 GMT

Hi!  I'm taking Thai Air to India this December and I'm staying overnight
in Bangkok.  My travel agent has given me reservations at the Quality Pinnacle
Hotel, instead of the Airport Hotel.  Has anyone there heard of the Quality
Pinnacle?  Is it a decent hotel?  Is it in the city or in the suburbs somewhere?

I would greatly appreciate any information you could provide me.  I don't
read this newsgroup very often, so please E-mail your responses.

Thank you in advance.

SB
ac05@sol.acs.unt.edu
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Part[3]: On going R&D projects in Thailand
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:00:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eyopU600iV4M9i3Yh
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    This e-mail is sent to the Thai netnews and people who are
interested in S&TD in Thailand.  If you want to subscribe, please send
your name, postal & e-mail address, expertise to me.

Excerpts from mail: 6-Nov-92  by utai pitaktong@emx.cc.ut 

>....................Text deleted.........................................
>..................... Perhaps I will have a clearer idea when I learn more
>about some on going research (I mean the specific topics) 
>.........................................................................
>...............Text deleted................................................
> I really want to start from what is needed there. I wish you can, somehow,
> help me on this kind of information.


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roject: Biomedical Electronics and 
         Instrumentation

1. Construction and Development of ICU      KMITL                  0.8
   Monitoring System for 4 patients

2. Computerized X-ray Tomography            KMITL                  7.0


Project: Industrial Electronics 
         and Instrumentation

1. Universal data Logger                    SU                     0.3

2. Programmable Controller                  CU                     0.35 

3. R&D for Sensors and                      KMITL                  0.4
   Transmitters

4. AC. Motor Controller                     CMU                    0.35

6. Industrial Robot                         KMITT                  1.15
   (Terminator Prototype 5600)

7. A Sugar Content Meter for                KKU                    0.24

8. Feed Mix Control System                  KMITL                  0.2  
               
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Acronyms:

SU    : Songkla University
CMU   : ChaiengMai University
KKU   : KhonKaen University
KMITT : King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Thonburi(Bangmod)
KMITL : King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Ladkrabang
CU    : Chulalongkorn University


Posted and circulated by

Schitt Laowattana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Being compromise ..& Ajarn Suluk?
From: thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:36:11 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

While we are discussing about the amnesty decree, many request for being
Compromise. One of the reason is they afarid of further violent.
That's fair enough in case that no lose of life. I don't want to see
further crackdown as well. But it's unfair for the relatives of those
who pass away. What I learned from recent news is
   - Suchinda still playing golf every day.
   - Mr.Nitthi Nakorntap will form a new political party for ACM Kaset,
     and polticians from former Samakkitham party might join this party.

Yes, let's us compromise, and wait and see another crackdown.

What's about Ajarn Suluk? Did he kill anyone? Why there's no mercy from
him? No compromise??

I've learned from a friend of him that Ajarn Suluk is now in
Japan. He has a tough time overthere, and the source said Ajarn Suluk would
like to go home. However, it is unlikely for him to win the case and
probably he might face the sentence.

Yes, let's compromise and forgive murderers, but should be no mercy for
a very good person like Ajarn Suluk.

What's a funny country?

Thanachart Numnonda

U. of Auckland.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: About the tribunal ruling
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:38:33 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Nov10.184314.13581@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu writes:
>
>Does anyone agree with me that the tribunal ruling was discusting,
>unjustifiable and unacceptable by all means?  I wonder if we can aford to
>waste our tax money hiring these crabs any longer.
>
>Regards.
>
>Thian


I have often wondered why so many 3rd world countries are taking so long to
seriously adopt democracy.  "Are these people stupid?" has often crossed my
mind.  It appears that the ruling elite are firmly entrenched in power.  They
must be thrown out, not voted out, not protested out!  Unfortunately you can 
only do this by starting a revolution! 

I do not like to think of all the problems that will occur because of a 
revolution.  Many innocents will be trampled in the dust.

Consider how many people do not care...
The American revolution only worked because 30% of the people were interested.
This was not enough, but it persuaded the French to help.

Consider how long it will take to persuade everybody...
General George Washington was offered the position of King of America after
winning the revolution.  It took 8 years for the new country to actually create
and adopt the existing U.S. Constitution.  How long will it take Russia?
How long will it take Thailand?

Americans would help if they honestly felt enough Thais were interested.
However, it has to be real interest by real people.  Students accepting the
opportunity to miss lecture and feel grown-up do not rank as high as parents
risking loss of job or pay!

Anyway, why go to all that trouble?  Why not continue the brain drain that
has existed since World War II?  It is an easier approach, satisfies the
disgruntled educated masses and prevents anyone from being killed?  I hope
that someday there is a smiling Thai immigrant in every Western country!

tim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: toaa@unixg.ubc.ca (Somchai Jitsuchon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: any
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:25:17 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi)
Subject: Re: Post Nov 10: Tribunal rules Amnesty decree still has effect
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand) Ltd
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:05:30 GMT


In article <toaa.721435442@unixg.ubc.ca>, toaa@unixg.ubc.ca (Somchai Jitsuchon) writes...
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Chaun (PM and lawyer) : "System must be system",  "We must obey laws"
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
>What if the current system is a bad one, do we have to sacrifice every
>thing just to maintain it?   Come on, Thailand needs too much changes,
>don't be so conservative. 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If the system has a flaw, correct it before we have to sacrifice next time.
The real question is whether or not each of you has done anything to turn
bad thing into good.

I think Thais have been waiting for too long for the knight on a white horse
to step in and take care of us like raising babies. Such a thought is too
naive and is voluntarily open for the next coup d'etat.

Democracy means different thing to different people. In Burma, it means
multi-party system. In China, it means the fall of the ruling class. In
eastern europe, it means over night change to capitalism economy. Whatever
democracy means in Thailand, it won't be what we want it to be unless each
of us takes an active part in the process.

The parliament has set up a committee to seek public opinion on how the
Constitution should be amended. I will find more info and will post whatever
I can find here. The remaining actions will be yours.
----
Trin Tantsetthi                           trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.        ...!decwrl!tlaeng.enet!trin
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Post Nov 9: Anyone care for free trip?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:51:29 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Row brewing over BMA deputy governor
A ROW is brewing between city councillors and district councillors 
who are opposed to Bangkok Deputy Governor Chaiwat Sinsuwong, an 
informed city source said yesterday.
 
The conflict might flare to the point that the councillors might 
seek a no-confidence debate against the entire Bangkok 
Metropolitan Administration, although Chaiwat is their main 
target, the source said.
 
Dissatisfaction among the city councillors was touched of by what 
they alleged was Chaiwat's dictatorial style of administration in 
cutting the 70 million baht budget sought by councillors to 
sponsor city officials in 36 districts to observe city works 
domestically and in foreign countries, the source said.
 
The deputy governor also turned down a seven million baht budget 
requested by district councillors to observe city works overseas, 
the source said.
 
Both the city and district councillors felt strongly that it had 
been a tradition of the administration to set aside a budget to 
sponsor overseas and domestic trips for city officials to observe 
city works as part of the human resources development effort, the 
source said.
 
The deputy governor appears to be more in favour of making use of 
the budget to improve infrastructure in Bangkok rather than 
spending the budget on inspection trips, the source noted.
 
Mr Chaiwat allegedly did not have a good working relationship with 
city clerk Thongthor Kluaymai na Ayutthaya and several other 
senior city officials, the source said.
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Thailand needs Technology
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:19:33 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <Iey5m5G00WBN06X1Ql@andrew.cmu.edu> sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana) writes:
>
>    Let me jump in to discuss this issue.  It's my cup of tea.
>
>Currently, fossile fuel cannot be used in industrial scales.  What I
>want to do is not to keep national resources, but rather to use them
>intelligently.  We must add "know-how" to our raw materials before
>selling to have more profits. This will be possible only if our S&TD
>process is sucessful. 
>
>
>Schitt  Laowattana
>

Speaking of natural resources, every time I watch the famous movie "Laurence
of Arabia" I am fascinated by the absolute waste of sunlight in the desert!
Why do people continue to suck oil out of the ground when they can create solar
panels?  Anyway, I have the same feeling when I am in Nong Khai province.

Perhaps you are not aware of this, but...
Americans have developed reasonably efficient solar panels.  However, the
amount of energy collected is insufficient to support an average American
household because we Americans have many electric appliances.  Until we
actually begin manufacturing these panels in the new NASA space station,
this technology will not be introduced to the American market.

However, whenever this subject is discussed, the conversation always ends
with "however, the current energy output collected by these panels is
more than sufficient for use in 3rd world countries."  

I am very busy learning and working with computers.  I lack the skill required
to sell products, but if I do not see solar panels installed en masse on Thai
homes within the next 2 years, I will quit working with computers and bring
this technology to Thailand myself.

I like to read books.  I have worn glasses since I was 6 years old because I
read books after my father turned off the lights at night.  I am really upset
when I see the average Thai farmer ending the day at sunset because he only
has a 20w bulb in his house.  It reminds me of President Abraham Lincoln
learning to read books by studying in front of the fireplace.  How do Thai
children study if they do not have enough light to read?

If these panels were produced in Thailand, the labor and material costs would
reduce the price enough for Thais to purchase them.

tim
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: The Leekpai Administration (LA) Dodger
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:00:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov5.170022.1969
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <9211050339.AA00560@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov> fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
>
>In reading BKK Post news about all those craps concerning the
>Amnesty Decree, I have become more and more upset.
>
>Seems like we need another uprising to impose mob's rules.
>We now have Oct'14, Oct' 6, May 17 to mourn. If things
>go as they now do,  I'm afraid we will have every single day
>of the year to mourn, before long.
>
>Our PM is very appropriately named. Chuan Leekpai
>literally means 'Let's go dodging the danger!'. 
>Remember...you were elected PM mainly because the Thai people
>had bitten the bullets, the real ones.
>Go ahead, Mr. Prime Minister, make our day, bite the Decree!
>
>-Tawit
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>When all else fail and no instruction manual around, Go to Thailand!
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------


I think what we should do is to organize an electronic lobbious group to
push this government to take action on this issue more effectively.  As a
banner of one American political group, "lead or leave".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Provincial governor election
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:01:28 GMT


I think we should have elections from the Mu baan level up to the national
one.  Let people choose and pay for what they want from the nearest
distant.  It may sound cruel at the beginning but people will learn with
their direct experience.  Every level of politician should also be held
accountable and voted out if she or he is found incompetent.  Any commends
and/or suggestions?

Thian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Provincial governor election
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA LeRC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.152442.23268@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> 
fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
>..................
>and they screw everything up including permitting may local mafias to
                                                   ~~~
>exist and prosper. It's time for them to get lost and let other new ideas
>chances to prove themselves.

Correction: should read "many" not 'may' as in May 17 even though the
May17 mafia is conceptually part of the local mafia.
>
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