From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Cat Steven's visit to Israel (& concert!)
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:23:49 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <4842@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.033754.4597@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich) writes:
>>
>>Like I said, Cat Stevens did visit Israel.  See source below.
>>
>>NEWSDAY (ND) - Wednesday July 27, 1988
>>Edition: NASSAU AND SUFFOLK  Section: NEWS  Page: 09
>
> [deleted]
>
> Irene, I don't understand why you chose to post this article in t.p.m.
> when it was initially posted to soc.culture.jewish and there is no
> prior references here in t.p.m.  The source you cited was from July 27,
> 1988 and my article in s.c.j. referred to 1990.  I never stated that
> Yousef Islam *never* visited Israel - don't mix the two issues.
>
>>Here is another article referring to the incident in 1990 when Mr. Islam
>>was refused entry into Israel.  Most countries will refuse entry to
>>individuals contributing materially to terrorist groups bent on murdering
>>their citizens like Hamas sets out to do.  A neo-Nazi would also be barred.
>
> What evidence do you have to prove that Yousef Islam contributes to
> terrorist groups?  What terrorist groups are you referring to?  Most
> democratic countries refuse entry to those whom are affiliated with
> terrorist groups, and are known to be terrorists (committed actions of
> terrorism) themselves, not because of their political views.  Certainly,
> you cited from the article:
>
>>    One  official,  who  spoke on condition of anonymity, said the passport
>>agents were acting on instructions from the Interior Ministry.
>>    Airport   officials  said  they  turned  away  Islam  for  his  alleged
>>preachings against the Jewish nation.
>
> So, it appears that they knew about Yousef Islam's plans to visit Israel
> and harrassed him for three/four hours even with the knowledge that they
> had no intentions of permitting his entry.  Alleged preachings?  Does this
> constitute terrorist activities in Israel's eyes, or is this another case
> of expurgation?
>
>>    He has been in the headlines recently for supporting the death sentence
>>issued by Iran against author Salman Rushdie.
>
> So what does this have to do with his visit to the Holy Land?  Or does
> this somehow reaffirm the attitude that he is a 'dangerous' man?
>
>>(Not your average Moslem tourist by any means)
>
> According to the articles, he was planning to do a concert (my article
> quoted a Muslim festival), which is completely different than being
> an average 'tourist'.  You have absolutely no proof or justification
> for Israel's actions.
>
>>Speaking of barring individuals from countries, most if not all of the
>>Arab countries bar all Jews from visiting their countries.  Some will
>>make exceptions for important politicians (like Kissinger), or for
>>Jewish soldiers defending Arab countries (like in operation Desert
>>Storm).
>
> You cannot enter any Arab country with an Israeli entry stamp on your
> passport.  Until you can prove, with some legitimate sources, your
> above statement, we can understand this to be a pure propoganda piece
> that contains no credibility.


Sorry Anisa. It has NOTHING to do with an *Israeli* entry stamp on one's
passport. There are a number of Arab countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia) that
prohibit JEWS from entering. There have been recent incidents of refusing entry
to an American senator of the Jewish faith. Henry Kissinger was the exception
as were the American soldiers of the Jewish faith who served in the US Army
during Desert Storm. Incidentally, the Jewish soldiers had to *hide* their
Jewishness.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL




>
>>Anyone care to defend this blatant Arab racism?
>
> Perhaps you would like to cite the sources which support your statement.
> Or do you enjoy your position of being an Israeli apologist?
>
> Anisa