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From: friedenb@sapphire.egr.msu.edu (Jason Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Bingo
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@sapphire.egr.msu.edu (Jason Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


I learned that any form of gambling (even including purchase of a 
lottery ticket) is not permitted, except for in Purim.

Is this not the case?

I'm supposed to talk to my Rabbi tonight.  I'll ask him and post his
answer.


Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University

                   
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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:12:57 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)

In article <1992Sep08.173448.614955@locus.com>, hayim@locus (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>I have no idea who this author is, nor what he says in the book. But -
>your comments scare me. You say "nor does it *entirely* reject tradition".

>INMHO, this statement is totally meaningless.

Obviously not, as you managed to understand what he meant.

>Either you reject tradition or you don't. If you accept 99% -
>then you have rejected the other 1%, and you have rejected tradition.

There's a word game going on here, and it would be better if you stuck
to clarifying the two senses then to superciliously claim QED.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: alex@opal.idbsu.edu (Alex Feldman)
Subject: Stuttgart Bible
Organization: Boise State University Math Dept.
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:13:10

Please pardon my ignorance (again), but

What is the "Stuttgart Bible"?  I saw an advertising blurb for
Zondervan which described it as the "modern  hebrew text", which
sounded pretty weird.
--
	--alex			alex@math.idbsu.edu

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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: More on Michael Lerner
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:30:54 GMT
Keywords: more directed question



Last week I posted that I was considering attending a dinner/lecture by
Michael Lerner, editor of "Tikkun" Magazine.  Over Shabbat I found two
interesting pieces of information that clinched my decision.  I will
attend this lecture.

I learned the topic, chosen by Lerner, will be "Will the Democrats Blow
it Again in 1992? A Politics of Meaning to Counter the Right" which
also happens to be the cover story/stories of the current issue of
"Tikkun."

I also got a chance to read the lead article.  It is "classic" Lerner
(oy vey).  This makes it even more important that I come up with
questions, but it also makes the choice and wording all the more
critical.  Specifically, I don't enjoy question/answer sessions that
include a member of the audience standing up and lecturing the
speaker.  For my purpose, that is counter productive.  A knowing smile
and Idi Amin could make the "questioner" look foolish.  Similarly,
questions on other topics can be ignored with "that's not what I'm
prepared to talk about" and no point is made.

So I'm reissuing my request for questions to pose to Michael Lerner
that will be relevant to the topic (I'd say anything directly related
to this election, the Democrats, values, etc) especially if I can
preface the question with "chapter and verse" from a Lerner editorial
or Tikkun article (especially that one).
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: I have yet to meet a Jewish murderer.
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:22:49 +0200
Keywords: Berkowitz
Organization: University of Cape Town

article <1992Sep2.230012.12432@spss.com>, leonid@spss.com (Leonid Feygin) writes:
>>Or David Berkowitz, aka "Son of Sam".

David Berkowitz was not Jewish, he was a Satanist. If you give up Judaism
to worship Satan, you are no longer Jewish.
 
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:56:11 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

In article <1992Sep10.150747.7764@nntp.nta.no> stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer
Mechthild FNT) writes:

>Samuel Saal writes in <1992Sep10.122810.20724@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>:
>> Take a hint. Many of the descriptions come from personal and family
>> descriptions and experience.  There are an awful lot of us who have family
>> that survived but lost other family members to Polish antisemitism.  Some
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of us can still point out that there were Poles that did help Jews  or
>> that weren't antisemitic.

>Take a hint yourself.
>You lost your family members to German nazism, not Polish antisemitism.
>No matter how many Poles helped or did not help,
>it was the Germans that planned the holocaust.
>Had it not been for nazism, your relatives would still be living!!!
>So, could you please stop to accuse the Poles,
>who did not invent that hell?

When the Pole takes the club, even if the government is German, it is the
Pole who is the murderer. 
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
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From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: I have yet to meet a Jewish murderer.
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:11:27 GMT

aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
>lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:

>>In modern times, there's always David Leibowitz, aka "Son of Sam."

>Or David Berkowitz, aka "Son of Sam".

Leibowitz, Berkowitz.  All those Ashkenazim sound alike.

-Don Gertler
From: aplebaum@shum.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: End of summer time in Israel
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:59:08 GMT
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel

In article <2532@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
|> Summer time in Israel ended earlier tonight.  Please remember this if
|> you call Israel from abroad.

1. Thank god summertime is over.
2. Have you noticed that the day after summertime ended, temperatures
   were down and the air was colder ? I wander if we could save us the 
   last week if summertime was ended earlier :-)

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From: murray@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (murray kahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tanya, Epistle 15, Part 7 of 7
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:58:48 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Subj: Tanya Epistle 15      7/7
 
>>> Continued from previous message
 
    greatly.'  Moreover, it is specifically this phrase (`face to
    face') that is the antithesis of the contrasting situation
    described above, in which the father `speaks to himself.'
43. Printed in Or HaTorah, Vayeira 98b.
44. Note of the Rebbe Shlita: Perhaps this should read Go-dail [with a
    kamatz and tzeirei, so that the sentence would mean, `And the more
    the desire and delight of the father grow, the more do the
    influence and the learning grow'], instead of Gadol [with a kamatz
    and cholam, as translated above].
45. Parentheses are in the original text.
46. In his Hebrew annotations to the original Yiddish text of the
    present work, the Rebbe Shlita explains why the Alter Rebbe does
    not discuss the attribute of Malchut. The learned explanation,
    which hinges on the comparative dynamics of the various Sefirot,
    is not readily translatable.
47. Mishlei 12:8.
48. Shoftim 8:21.
49. See Tanya, Part I, beginning of ch. 2.
50. Devarim 11:22.
51. Sifri (sec. 49) on the above verse; Sotah 14a.
52. Cf. Yevamot 20a.
53. Cf. Avot 1:1.
54. Reishit Chochmah, Shaar HaKedushah, ch. 15, et al.
55. Sanhedrin 65a.
56. Cf. Yeshayahu 6:3.
57. The Hebrew root of this word comprises three meanings - to praise,
    to thank and to acknowledge.
58. Note of the Rebbe Shlita:See Likkutei Torah, Vaetchanan, p.4a ff.
59. According to an alternative reading, "...beyond searching."
60. Tehillim 104:1.
61. Mishlei 10:25.
62. Chagigah 14a.
63. Note of the Rebbe Shlita: Two explanations (Or HaTorah, Bereishit,
    p. 2048ff.).
64. Tehillim 145:3.
65. Note of the Rebbe Shlita:See [Tanya,] Part I, conclusion of ch.3.
66. Note of the Rebbe Shlita: The intent of `in its place' is
    problematic. Possibly this refers to the relevant places in
    [Tanya,] Part I (see its indexes), and likewise in Likkutei Torah,
    etc.
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kashruth of wine
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:02:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <18m4nfINN4ik@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.223245.24953@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

>[. . .]
>>As examples, some of the more well-known responsa are. . .

>>   - Is commercial wine prepared in the United States treife (no)

>This example brings up my problem with the Conservative approach to halachah.
>One reason that wine prepared by non-Jews was forbidden to be consumed by
>Jews was the fear that permitting it would lead to excessive fraternization
>between Jews and non-Jews and eventually intermarriage. 

As I recall, the reason for prohibiting such wine was that the batch of wine
may have been used in heathen religious rites, or that even such rites may
have been used in the production of the wine.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:21:41 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)

In article <1992Sep8.171236.27951@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, er@iscp (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>I would guess that in Youth minyans and the like, it is not so rare.  In YU,
>we'd regularly have a minyan for Maariv on the floor of our dorm (usually with
>just ten participants or a couple more), and often there was nobody willing to
>say Kaddish because everyone had both parents alive.

What happens when the only orphan is in the twelfth month of mourning?
Should he say kaddish, since someone should say it, or should he not
say it, so as to not give the appearance that his parent was wicked?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: schwartz@ces.cwru.edu (David G. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: New book: A TRAVELLER'S GUIDE TO JEWISH TORONTO
Date: 7 Sep 1992 18:04:43 GMT
Organization: COMPOSERS Logic Programming Group/CWRU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.ces.cwru.edu



There is a new book available that may be of considerable interest
to many readers of this news group.

A TRAVELLER'S GUIDE TO JEWISH TORONTO is a full of detailed
information the Jewish traveller to Toronto can use to find Kosher
food, Synagogues of all types, Jewish shops, sites of Jewish interest
and much more, including some informative walking tours.

For more information contact me by e-mail:

	schwartz@alpha.ces.cwru.edu

David
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Woody and Soon Yi
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:19:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.125629.4000@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.050334.19254@sarah.albany.edu> mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:
>>In article <5479@shum.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@shum.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>>>First, I'd like to see Woody convert ...
>>>(he doesn't act/talk like a jew)
>>Only in that one scene in Annie Hall. :-)
>   That scene is only a recodification. Referring back to the original
> sources, we find the original scene in "Take the Money and Run" where
> the jailed Allen character turns into a Rabbi.

Don't forget his scene in Zelig...
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: End of summer time in Israel
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:37:25 GMT

Summer time in Israel ended earlier tonight.  Please remember this if
you call Israel from abroad.
-- 
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From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Violent antisemitism?
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:36:41 GMT

lbs@madeira.phys.ufl.edu (Lech Borkowski) writes:

> I would like to add that while making comparisons between the fraction
>of Jews saved in France or Denmark and in Poland you should remember
>that the German occupation rules were mild in France
>compared to Poland or Russia. A common penalty for saving Jews
>in Poland during the occupation was execution of the whole family
>that attempted to save them.
    ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Indeed I was once saved by a person whose son-in-law
had been shot before for having done the same. So there was perhaps a  rule
in France that they would not shoot inlaws. 
    Note however that in Denmark there has been a King ( one that deserves
a capital K), and in France, very early, a very well organised underground
movement (which by the way included a high percentage of Jews). After WW-II
I studied in the Paris "Jacques Decour" high school, named after the 
underground name of Daniel Decourdemanche, a student shot by the nazis as
early as Fall 1940.
> Lech Borkowski
     Jacques Goldberg
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah In A Torah Context (was Re: more of ...can of worms....)
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:30:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Since Herman Rubin ignored my previous post containing Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's
Torah notes explaining the possible sites of the other two rivers
(I guess it didn't support his preconceptions), perhaps he'd like to try
this:

I just returned from a trip to Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, and Zion
National Parks. I saw the locations of vast rivers, long gone. Thus
the two in the Torah could similarly have disappeared.

I learned that Cedar Breaks, a massive geological structure of mile-
high towers and pillars, in a huge natural ampitheater far larger
than any likely Garden of Eden site (miles across), was only discovered in
the past century. If explorers could miss that until very recently,
Rubin's assertion that the biblical area around the source of the Tigris
and Euphrates "has been thoroughly explored" seems hardly credible
without more than Rubin's naked assertion.

So let me ask: what's the evidence for Rubin's claim that this area
has been thoroughly explored?

David
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Another Wedding (was Re: weddings on Saturday???)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:11:54 GMT

In <1992Sep3.153746.17019@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152) writes:

>Warren, I didn't see the "(:-)", but I hope that you are kidding.  I
>was always warned that the chads from punched cards were VERY dangerous
>to use as confetti, because of the possibility of ingestion,
>inhalation, or eye damage.  REAL confetti is made from much softer and
>lighter paper.

The confetti was made before it was PoliticallyIncorrectToDoAnythingWhich-
CouldPossiblyHaveAdverseEffectsOnAnything.

I got a mouthful of it once (can't trust anyone).  Spit it out.  No
injuries in many weddings, Purims, and assorted festivities.

Most dangerous thing I ever did at a wedding was bring a bottle of the
groom's homemade wine which he used under the chuppah without warning
the bride.
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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Bingo
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:29:35
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:21:52 GMT

Again, for those who are interested, there was a discussion on bingo in the
liberal judaism mailing list, issues v1n13 and v1n14. They are available for
FTP from israel.nysernet.org, in the israel/mail.liberal-judaism/digests
directory. 

Daniel Faigin
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From: yair@shum.huji.ac.il (Yair Friedman)
Subject: Re: Mac David
Reply-To: yair@cs.huji.ac.il
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:45:25 GMT

In article <9209081549.AA11012@ptms_dev.sbi.com>, gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler) writes:
|> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> > A good place to get shawarma in Jerusalem, is a place called "king of falafel
|> > and shawarma" (Unless they've changed their name or moved) by the midrachov, on
|> > the same street that "migdal ha'ir" and carvel icecream are.

These directions may lead to about 4-5 falafel & shawarma stands, but I think
you mead to the stnd in the corener of King George V st. and King Agrippas at.
(No wonder that the King of falafel is placed in such a royal corner :)


|> 
|> Is this the same place that makes that terrific 'eish tanur?
|> 

No, the only bakery in King George st. was closed several months ago.  You can
buy even better esh-tanur in Habba bakery on mahne-yehuda market.

|> -Don Gertler

-- 
					Yair Friedman.
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Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
From: etad@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:35:06 +0930
 <1992Sep04.172327.601007@locus.com> <matthew.715669709@munna> <1992Sep10.122810.20724@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <1992Sep10.122810.20724@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
> In article <matthew.715669709@munna> matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek
> Blasikiewicz) writes:
> 
>>Do you have statistics indicating "that the individual poles were
>>anti-semitic"? I mean, what percentage were so, to what extent, etc.
> 
> I find it most interesting that after twisting and turning to find ways of
> minimizing Polish antisemitism, the final recourse is to demand
> documentation, statistics, and other numbers to gain time for another
> round of twisting and revisionism.

Dear Sam,
I think, what you wrote above is really, really sick.
> 
> Take a hint.  Many of the descriptions come from personal and family
> descriptions and experience.  There are an awful lot of us who have family
> that survived but lost other family members to Polish antisemitism.  Some
> of us can still point out that there were Poles that did help Jews  or
> that weren't antisemitic.

Take a hint. Alexander Solzhenitzin, a Russian author of the monography on
crimes of russian communist regime and KGB, "Archipelag Gulag", managed to
gather thousands of pages of solid documentation on the subject. All this work
had been carried out in a country where at that time nobody would dare to talk
politics even with their closest family. You refuse to give any evidence
whatsoever (even names and exact statements of these people who, as you claim,
know it first hand). And, all these people who can be asked to speak up are
happy to do so (unless these who know, remain silent, and those who are noisy,
know nothing). Unfortunately, proper documentation of statements like yours is
essential, because it is the only way to establish some historical (at least
factual) truth. Unless (please, think about it carefully for yourself), it is
not the truth that you want, but noise and stench.

Regards,
--Arek Dadej

> -- 
> Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
> 	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton