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From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Subject: Re: Mungo Jerry = Robert Palmer ?
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:04:32 GMT

In article <11636.9207301058@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.054632.17654@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
>|In article <19920727200732.9.TOROSIAN@GANESH.MCC.COM> ai.torosian@mcc.com (Dan Torosian) writes:
>|>Last weekend, another musician at a gig told me that "Mungo Jerry"
>|>(early 70's? one-hit wonder with 'In The Summertime') was actually
>|>Robert Palmer.  Anyone else (like Brian Rost maybe) know about this?
>|>|Mungo Jerry is the name of a band, not a person.

When my sister came back from School in England in 1970 she returned with
Mungo Jerry's In the Summertime. It was quite controversial there, I was
told, since it made reference to attitude toward the classes. I seem to
remember a comment about how "Mungo Jerry" was kind of a joke because he
was a Black artist with a white (english) accent. I can't elaborate on
that as I never hung out in Hertfordshire. The flip side of the single
that I had though, was Woody Guthries' "Dust Pneumonia Blues" and not
a bad rendition at that. I still cringe a bit when I hear "in the summertime"
since I associate it with a bad season of Summer Camp.

-benj
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: STAGE LIGHTS: HELP I NEED SOME
From: tac@icf.hrb.com (Timothy A. Cowfer)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:54:54 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Does anyone,
have a couple of "cans" they want to sell?
You know what I mean, the lights with the gel 
color lenses.  I'm just starting out, and have no
idea where  to get these, and I'm sure, that 
I would be better off getting used ones.
so if anyone has any,PLEASE  let me know
at this account.
From: eomc40@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Allan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: DIFFERENT STRATOCASTERS
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:41:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University


I think this has been posted before but could anybody tell me the
differences between Fender American Strats and Fender Jap Strats.
Also are the new Mexican strats better than the Jap Strats even although
they are cheaper ?  Do you think that it is worth spending the extra
money on an American guitar even though they are quite a bit more
expensive ?

Here is the price equivalent for each guitar here in UK.

American Standard - $1000

Jap strat - $600

Mexican stat - $450

These prices are approximate, based on what my local store charges and
the current exchange rate.

any comments on this will be greatly appreciated, as this has been
confusing me for some time now !

thanks,

Malcolm Allan,
University of Edinburgh,
Scotland.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: r0r4661@rigel.tamu.edu (RUDD, RONNIE, JR.)
Subject: Re: Hooker sues ZZTop? (Was: Words to ZZ Top's Lagrange?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul10.145618.575@iti.org>, cdj@iti.org (Chris D. Jennings) writes...
> 
>Can anybody confirm that LaGrange, Texas really exists?  

Yes, La Grange actually exists.  It is between Houston and Austin.  I've
been through there many a time.
The house of ill repute that the song is about is the same one that the
play/movie _The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas_ in loosely based on.  It was
shut down by an investigative reporter named Marvin Zinler(sp?) in the
early 70's.


Ron Rudd
Texas A&M
r0r4661@rigel.tamu.edu
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Keywords: noise abatement
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:14:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.376
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul21.210123.3565@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com writes:
>|> >   it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
>|> >
>I live in Salem, so maybe I can add some background.  The Tesla concert was
> <explaination deleted>
>excessive sound pressure levels, and not against rock music.  Tesla was
>just held to the same standard as any other band playing the amphitheater the
>last few years.  Tesla was not singled out.
>-- 
> Bill Wilhelmi    
> bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com

Thanks for the background Bill. It's good to know Salem hasn't gotten into the
music censorship business. I didn't know it was scheduled in an outdoor
amphitheater. Sounds like poor judgement on the part of the concert producer
to schedule, what I assumed is, a fairly hard rock band into an outdoor
arena. Especially one known to have a noise ceiling!

I can't blame the folks that live by it, assuming they didn't build there
after the theater was built. It has sometimes amazed me when people build
homes right next to existing race tracks or airports and then complain about
the noise!

-grego
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: cdj@iti.org (Chris D. Jennings)
Subject: Re: BIAS question (ZIP)
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.212133.16677@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>
>Bias history question:
>	
>Type I is normal tape, Type II is chrome, and Type IV is
>metal.  (I'll bet you can see where this is leading.)  What is/was
>Type III and why is it not to be found anymore?  
>
>Anybody ever heard of type III biasing?
>


I used to use Type III tapes such as Scotch Master III back in the
late 1970s and early '80s.  If my memory serves me correctly, they
were called "ferrichrome" and I think they were high bias tapes
(biased like a Type II but different EQ???).  I'm not sure why they
aren't around anymore, but I suspect it may have been that they
didn't sell well, because I seldom found them when I shopped for
blank cassettes in those days.  I always liked them though.

- Chris


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Subject: Re: warning labels (was Re: Anti-censorship T-Shirts)
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:33:51 GMT

In article <154@bbx.basis.com>, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.174845.3623@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
|> >[playing devil's advocate about warning labels on albums...]
|> >
|> >But isn't rating a movie the same thing?  They look at it, and depending
|> >on what they see, they decide who can/cannot enter the movie.  Since many
|> >songs cover the same ground as an R or NC-17 or X (or whatever) movie,
|> >isn't it appropriate to rate them as well?

I think so.  I use the movie ratings to help choose movies for me and
my family.  

|> 
|> It is generally the same thing but our current movie rating system is
|> also a joke.  I strongly believe people should be able to know what 
|> they are buying before buy it.  A rating system will present that
|> information only from a subjective perspective.                      

True, to some extent.  The system isn't perfect, but I find it better
than nothing.  

|>                                                  That would be like
|> labeling canned food with terms like "unhealthy", "contains sweet
|> things", or "ickky" instead of listing the ingredients.  I 

Typically the TV listings in my paper will add L, N, or V to indicate
the presence of Foul Language, Nudity, and Violence.  This at least
helps when the current rating system fails.

|> don't see anybody putting warning labels on records because they
|> pander to Christian beliefs.  After all, there are people that would
|> be offended by lyrics promoting Christianity.  It all depends on
|> which group controls the rating process.

If enough people are offended by Christian lyrics, a "warning" label
might be appropriate.  I also believe people should know what they are getting.

|> 
|> -- 
|> Scott Amspoker                       |    
|> Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
|>                                      |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
|> scott@bbx.basis.com                  |

I realize that many people consider it their First Amendment right to push
whatever products they want to anyone they want.  But I don't see that the 
First Amendment guarantees that at all.  No one has the right to say
whatever they want or push whatever they want to my children.  While
current rating systems aren't perfect, I do appreciate that they exist.


-- 
 Bill Wilhelmi    
 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
 bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar.tab
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu fot 7/28 **
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:50:56 GMT


What directory contains the repository of tab?
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:8442 alt.guitar:6286 ba.market.misc:5394
From: brogers@Auspex.COM (Bob Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,ba.market.misc
Subject: Wanted Guitar and amp
Keywords: jackson, soloist, hiwatt
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:56:05 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Wanted:

Jackson Soloist guitar in good shape.

Hiwatt amp in good condition.
-- 
brogers@auspex.com (408) 492-0900
USPS: Bob Rogers/ Auspex Systems/ 2952 Bunker Hill Lane/ Santa Clara, CA 95054
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:49:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.4897
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Jul22.181922.5457@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
>> The cost of the insurance vs. the cost of the equipment ratio
>> (for me) is 37.5:1. 

>Chris, I hope you meant this to be the other way around :)

Let's see 1:37.7 or $1 insurance for $37.50 of equipment, ya that's
what I *meant*

$1400 insurance for $50,000 of coverage to be even more specific
(includes 1/2 mill liablity,  the equipment coverage is less!)

Ya that's what I meant!




-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.140052.15108@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul D. DeFrain -- aka master guru) writes:
|> >
|> >   Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
|> >   it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
|> >
|> >It is?
|> >
|> >   Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.
|> >
|> >Hah!
|> >
|> >Actually, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather stay in full possession of
|> >my hearing faculties in ten years. (But then, I don't go to Tesla concerts.
|> >Who are Tesla anyway?)
|> 
|> running at 95dB is not going to fill a large venue with sound when it's full
|> of sound absorbing people. If you're going to a rock concert and are close
|> to the mains -- simple,  bring some cotton to stuff in your ears.  If you're
|> in the back -- hope the band can run louder than 95dB.
|> 
|> I only hope the gurus of Salem are merely adhereing to law rather than hiding 
|> their own judgements behind it.
|> 
|> Paul D.

I live in Salem, so maybe I can add some background.  The Tesla concert was
scheduled to be held in the L.B. Day Amphitheater at the state fairgrounds.
The area is surrounded by established neighborhoods.  The amphitheater is
an open-air theater.  Thus, whenever concerts are held there, the local
authorities receive a number of complaints.  Unsurprisingly, the number of
complaints for any given concert is directly correlated to the sound levels
emanating from the stage.  Through some analysis, the city was able to 
establish the 95-decibel limit for concerts.  They also installed some
screens around the theater to help reduce the sound, but they seem to have
a very limited effect. 

A sound engineer friend of mine (who is often hired to run sound for
concerts in town) said that when the roadies first set up the equipment,
the sound levels were measured at 117dBA.  (Stand at the end of a 
runway and measure the sound of a 757 taking off--the number will be less.)
The sound crew continually tweaked the levels to get below 100db, at which 
point the band flicked it in and said they couldn't do the concert.   
Concert cancelled. 

If the concert was scheduled for indoors, there wouldn't be much of a 
problem.  However, people in the surrounding neighborhood like to get their
sleep, like their kids to get sleep, etc.  This is purely a policy against
excessive sound pressure levels, and not against rock music.  Tesla was
just held to the same standard as any other band playing the amphitheater the
last few years.  Tesla was not singled out.

-- 
 Bill Wilhelmi    
 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
 bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Keywords: noise abatement
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:34:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Jul21.203440.11907
Organization: Logic Modelling Inc of Beaverton Oregon

In article <373@bit.UUCP> grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
>Well over there in Salem Oregon, USA, the city fathers decided, 2 hours
>before their concert was to begin, that the band Tesla must comply to a
>noise abatement ruling. The ruling restricts noise levels to 95dB.

  Tesla had signed a contract to that effect and was well aware of the
  limitation.  The sound check was performed two hours before the concert
  was to start.  115dB.  The band made the decision not to perform, as
  they felt that they couldn't put on a reasonable show under the lim-
  itation.

>Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
>it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
>Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.

  During a James Taylor concert earlier in the summer, the city had
  received 5 noise complaints.  The L. B. Day AMPHITHEATER is situated at
  the south end of the Oregon State Fairgrounds; the nearest residences are
  about a block and a half away.  They have attempted to muffle the sound
  somewhat by installing a curtain around the periphery of the amphitheatre,
  but it is largely ineffectual.  This is not a suitable venue for modern
  rock acts.  Mr. Big is booked in for later this summer; I doubt they will
  play, either. 

>Many people drove from Portland to Salem only to be turned away. Could be
>interesting to see what transpires in the halls of Salem during the next
>few weeks. I hope this is not a trend.
>
>-grego

  Some people drove from farther away than that.  There was an interview
  in the Salem paper with people from California who had come for the concert
  (I have no idea why; surely Tesla does CA concerts, too.) 

  What will happen in the halls of Salem is probably nothing.  This is not
  a large concern.  Crosby, Stills, and Nash will perform in the amphitheater
  this Sunday, acoustically, without complaint, I imagine.  Other rock acts
  will be able to perform next door in the Armory, a much smaller, enclosed
  venue, like Anthrax and Public Enemy did last year.  Yes, they are terribly
  provincial in Salem, and don't want 2-3 hours of 115 dB sound late at night
  disturbing the residents.  The residents voted the noise limitation in at
  the same time that they voted the financial approval for construction of the
  AMPHITHEATER.  It's a nice place for the appropriate acts.  Modern rock
  groups are inappropriate. 

  Larry Huntley  (Fan of music, quiet or loud...)
-- 
         (larryh@lmc.com)
  Logic Modeling Corporation      |    In seeking the unattainable, simplicity
        Beaverton,  OR            |            only gets in the way.
    Stop Continental Drift!       |          (ACM SIGPLAN, Sept 1982)
From: tom@onyx.dartmouth.edu (Thomas Richard Erbe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: where to press vinyl records?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:08:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Music Department, Dartmouth College


I want to put some of my music on a 10" record, and was wondering if anyone
has any recommendations as to a good place to do it.  I wouldn't mind it if
they print sleeves as well, and they must take DAT masters.

many thanks,

--
Tom Erbe * Technical Director * Center for Contemporary Music * Mills College
     tom@mills.edu * Mills College, Oakland, CA  94613 * (510) 430-2191
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: M14395@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: deluxe stereo memory man
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:29:21 GMT

This is an effect made by electro harmonix in the early 80s.  Mine wore out and
I'd like to get another one.  If you have on that works, I want it.
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:8618 alt.guitar:6523
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: QUEENSRYCHE:  Unplugged on MTV
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:11:35 GMT
	<1992Jul23.230815.21510@news.Hawaii.Edu>
	<1992Jul24.034758.3725@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1992Jul24.034758.3725@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> vai@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Aloke S Chakravarty) writes:
> I agree that MTV Unplugged is not as unplugged as it says it is...but alas,
> why can't Queensryche use a couple of pedals when Mariah Carey (and others)
> can have an entire string section and 50million backup singers.  I think
> the original purpose of Unplugged (which I much preferred) was to be
> acoustic, but now it has obviously changed to merely live performances which
> are a little mellower but are still true to their original sound enough to 
> play on MTV's many useless video countdown shows.  But Ryche should not 
> be criticized, even in this medium, for producing overproduced songs with
> only 5 people, while other people on the same show have 10 times their man
> power, and very often more than two ESP's and a Jackson.

I see your point, but number of people has nothing to do with
"acoustic-ness".  Strings and singers, whether two or two thousand
are still acoustic.  I (used to) like MTV unplugged because it strips
the bands of most studio gloss and highlights the songs over the
production.  Also, using only acoustic instruments often makes the
songs sound alot more intimate, and gives the singer a better chance
for subtle expression.


> But it's still kinda cool to see some guitar greats on that show.  But
> the focus has changed from Bon Jovi's assumption that for any song to be
> a real hit, it should sound good acoustic (which apparently was the goal
> of the original Jules Shear show) to the modern rendition.

IMHO, the spirit of that show has been lost.  It surprises me how
many bands/artists can't pull it off without making compromises.
Geez, if LL Cool J can do a reasonably authentic acoustic set, I
would think that Queensryche should be capable as well.


David.
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| David L. Campbell, IBM PSP Austin       | "The comfort you have demanded |
| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
| IBM TR: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com |               Jello Biafra     |
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Amateur or Pro? was Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:29:54 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1969@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM> mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM 
(Michael R. Kesti) writes:
(text edited)
>......  Music professionals are orders of magnitude more likely to be in
>a loss situation than amatuers, because they move their gear from site to site
>more frequently, often leaving that gear in their vehicles and venues,
>bringing the attention of the public to the fact that you do own some nice
>toys, etc.  This leads to a higher incidence of damage and theft, resulting
 ^^^^
 I hear this term used a lot, 'specially when someone comes into the
 studio (you should see it these days mike).  My standard reply is:

 "These are tools not toys.....!"  :-)  (*)

>in that most dreaded end of their business; to wit: having to pay money out
>to you!

(*)    (Mike. Please note smily face and it's inference or wit-n-humor!)
-- 
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chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
From: deforest@sunny2.dab.ge.com (Miles Deforest)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Notes on my harmionicas
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:58:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Electric SCSD, Daytona Beach FL



   Hi,

      I recently acquired two C harmonicas.  One has ten holes and the other
   has twelve.  My question, what are the notes I get by blowing or drawing
   through each of the holes?  Thanks

--Smi                                M D
                                     -A-
                         <deforest@sunny.DAB.GE.COM>





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                                    _ _ /|
                                    \'o O'
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:42:21 GMT
Summary: 95 db is heaps

In article <NICK.92Jul21121724@vaila.ed.ac.uk>, nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
> In article <373@bit.UUCP> grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
> 
>    Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
>    it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.

	What luxury. I was involved in running an set of outdoor concerts
where we had to keep the sound level below 65 db, except on 6 "designated
event days" where we could push it up to 85 db. If your getting over 95 db
at the borders of surrounding properties it must be bloody loud actually
in the concert. (110 ? 120 ?)

>    Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.

	The event I was involved in had the stage at the edge of a big park
facing inwards, and our biggest problem was sound from the monitor speakers
blasting back into the street. This was solved with large amounts of wet
(and muddy) carpet draped around the scaffolding of the stage. (it rained
the week earlier, hence all the wet carpet).

	Graeme Gill


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Keywords: noise abatement
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:53:46 GMT

grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:

>Well over there in Salem Oregon, USA, the city fathers decided, 2 hours
>before their concert was to begin, that the band Tesla must comply to a
>noise abatement ruling. The ruling restricts noise levels to 95dB.
>Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
>it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
>Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.

The city fathers had best be careful.  Most symphony orchestras can do
much better than 95db.
-- 
"There's a very fine line  between a groove and a rut.
 Fine line between eccentrics and people who are just plain nuts."
	-- Christine Lavin, "Prisoners Of Their Hairdos"