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From: alhaque@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Abul L. Haque)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Mut`ah
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:05:39 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK


In article <23JUL199201051398@iago.caltech.edu> "slc89@io.ee.usu.edu"@CC.USU.EDU writes:
>
>[Postmarked: 22 Jul '92 ]
>
>Assalamu Alamanittaba'alhuda:
>
>   I wonder if you poeple ,advocating this shameful act, would
>allow your sisters or daughters to be involved in such an act
>with men for specific periods of time !!!!!  Please I want to 
>see you saying yes we would be glad to do it, so say it !!!!
>
>   I really look at Mut'ah as a form of prostitution, no more
>no less.
>
>                                     Mohammad Omar
>

	Assalamu Alaikum.

	I agree with Br. Mohammad Omar what he said above. Many brothers
	and sisters had participated in this discussion. Thanks to all of
	them. But I have a few comments.

	Evidences from both sides are taken from hadiths and the opinions
	of respected scholars. There is no solid evidence regarding this
	temporary marriage in the Holy Qur'an. There is a clear hadith
	that says it has been allowed at certain situation by the Prophet
	(pbuh). And also there is a clear hadith that also says that it
	has been prohibited by the Prophet (pbuh) himself until the day
	of judgement. So there should not have any controversy over this
	issue.

	It is possible that the Shia' scholars got the first hadith that
	allowed temporary marriages and they did not get the second
	hadith that prohibited the temporary marriage. It is likely that
	when the Prophet (pbuh) had prohibited the temporary marriage
	then only a few people knew about it since that had not been
	the common practice among the companions. So there were no
	reason to enforce this when the Prophet (pbuh) was alive. At
	the time of Omar (r.a.) when a few people started practicing it
	then Omar (r.a.) enforced the rule according to the sayings of
	the Prophet (pbuh). Probably that have been the reason when some
	people say that Omar (r.a.) had prohibited it.

	We should not blame the Shia' scholars for failing to recognize
	the second hadith of the Prophet (pbuh) that prohibited the
	temporary marriage. It is only Allah who will decide whether
	their practices are for the sake of Allah or for their own
	convenience or pleasure. In these discussion I have got the
	impression that they are allowing this temporary marriage
	only because Omar (r.a.) enforced this law of the Prophet (pbuh).
	
	Dear brother and sisters in Islam please obey Allah and his
	messanger (pbuh) if it is clear to you that that was the
	commandment we have got to follow. Jazakallahu Khairan.
From: exuasqa@exu.ericsson.se (Asem Qaddoura,xt-dk,1209)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: ISLAM: JIHAD IN THE QUR`AN
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:04:18 GMT
Reply-To: exuasqa@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

Muslims don't fight others becasue they are not muslims.
Muslims fight those who fight them.
If some one do not want to be a muslim, that is his choise, and he will not be
forced to be a muslim.
Muslims will fight those who will not allow there people to get the message(islam)
across, or those who do not allow their people the freedom of choise-Listen to
Islam, then take it or not.
I hope this could help
From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Answers to History Question
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:32:43 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation


In article <711577014@lear.cs.duke.edu> ALACH@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
> If the scholars of one age agree on an issue then their
>         agreement is infallible. This is given by the hadith and 
al-Qur'an
>         (an-Nisa', 4:115, Al ^Imran 3:110, al-Baqarah 2:143 and others).
>         Thus, one has to stick to the consensus and cannot go against it.
>         
Thank you for your response, and I grant most of what you have said, but I 
find it difficult to conclude that if all scholars agree that they are 
infallible.  I have read these references in the Quran and I don't see how 
infallibility necessarily follows.  I do agree that if all scholars agree 
than it is probably a pretty sure way to go, however you yourself said 
'scholars of one age' and it may be that in the future a certain 
interpretation was indeed incorrect.  BTW how do you define scholars?  If 
you mean the founders of the four schools, of course that is agreeable, 
but what after that?  Can someone take their local Imam to task and say 
"that is incorrect!"?
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Former comment on Bible and Koran
Date: 20 Jul 92 05:25:55 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

In article <711577750@lear.cs.duke.edu> malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:

#   The Quran was written in the time of prophet Mohammad [pbuh] by some of
#   his companions and as we know there was not much recycled paper - I mean
#   those who wrote  The Quran or parts of it they did it with whatever
#   means available at that time. And it was in the time of the 3rd Caliph
#   (Othman) that is in about 16 years from the death of the Last prophet
#   where Othman (ra) asked all those who have been writing the Quran to 
#   bring together what they have and they decided to use the copy which
#   was with Hafsa wife of the prophet as the reference for future "publication".
#   Surely there might have been some minor differences in writings of the 
#   companions but not in the main content as the Quran WAS and still IS
#    MEMORIZED by heart by many Muslims.

Yes.  It may also be added that numerous companions of the Prophet had
the whole of the Qur'an by heart, and their knowledge of the Qur'an was
used as an additional double-check on the manuscripts (which had been
written down under the direction of the Prophet Mohammad).

The authenticity of the Qur'an is something that is agreed upon by
both Muslim and non-Muslim Western scholars.
From: khater@sun14.vlsi.waterloo.edu (Issam Abu-Khater)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Sunni VS Ahia
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:49:56 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


Assalam alaikum,
Lately many students on scholarships from Iran came to North America in order
to persue education in various fields. This has brought back into serface the
Sunni VS Shia issue.

First, I would like to point out that the differences we are talking about
are not in matters of Fiqh as some Shias and Sunnis believe. When we speak
about differences we are concerned about differences in "Aqeedah" or dogma
which distinguish between a Muslim and a non Muslim.

Differences in fiqhi matters are tolerable in Islam, but those of Aqeedah
are not.

Second, many people think that Shia is a Math-hab, like the four sunni schools
of thought, but this is not the case, since in the four math-habs the 
differences are on matter of Fiqh and Ijtihad, but withe the shia the 
differences are on matters of Aqeedah. So the scholars refer to them as
a "Firqah" or division.

Third, The sunni scholars never gave a general statement where the indicated
that whole shia is kufar, on the contrary what they say is the "who ever 
believe in an aqeedah different than that of Islam or introduce new dogmatic
ideas which was abolished by Islam and expose his ideas openly is a kafir,
and thos who follow blindly without knowledge are clasified as fasiqs"

Fourth, it is important to expose such issues and not shy away from discussing
these differences on the basis that we are looking for unity. Unity can be
achieved only if we agree on what is the true dogma and how we can preserve
it. One dogma only can be right the other is surely wrong.

Fifth, we should only be conerned about matters of aqeedah when we discuss
this issue, otherwise we will indulge in a lengthy discussion and gain
nothing. Matters like the "Ismat of Imaams" infallability of Immams, or the
claim that some verses of the quran were deleted by the sahabah. Matters where
the sunnah is belittled, like the rejection of Bukhari and Muslim books of
hadith. Matters where verses of the quran are taken out of context to support
ones position.

These are few words which insha-Allah (i.a) will be followed by discussion
on matters of differences dealing with Aqeedah. I am not shy, nor disrupting
any unity by writing about this, many scholars have wrote and explained that
hundreds of years before I born.

Wassalam alaikum
Issam.
..Only one can be write in matters of Aqeedah..
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: As-Sunnah is an Islamic Proof
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:35:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena


In article <711577544@lear.cs.duke.edu> ALACH@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:

>There are some people today, whether they are non-
>Muslims, atheists or apostates, whether orientalists or 
>others, who say exactly the same thing. They also went a 
>step further and said that some of the hadith is anti-
>Qur'anic....               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That there exist some hadiths that are anti-Qur'anic is
acknowledged by all Muslim scholars.  Muslim scholars 
tell us that a great many hadiths were fabricated.  Otherwise,
they wouldn't have developed the systems for rating ahadith
in the first place.

For example, Imam Ash-Shafi'i, whom you repeatedly refer to,
did not accept all hadiths blindly, as you can verify by referring
to his works (e.g. ar-Risalah or Umm; the first one is also
available in English translation by Majid al-Khudduri).

was-Salam,
Behnam Sadeghi
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy)
Subject: RE: Soc.Religion.Islam: Please submit your articles just ONCE!
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Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:30:00 GMT


[Postmarked: Mon, 20 Jul 92 13:11:14 -0700 ]
In article <20JUL199212164402@romeo.caltech.edu> you write:
>
>AssalaamoAlaikum,
>
>	There are increasing number of duplicate posting cases. Please
>make sure you submit your articles/postings only one time. 
>
>	Duplicate submissions lead to (among other things):
>		
>		1. Energy & time wasted. 
>		2. Unnecessary increase in Backlog.
>		3. Delays for other submissions.
>		
>
>	Wassalaam,
>
>	Asim Mughal
>	for SRI Moderators

     There are also duplicate "hard" postings of the same article to different 
newsgroups related to Islam (like the teachings of Islam series, Islamic World
News etc.). It looks like the posters are invoking postnews once for every
newsgroup they want to post to rather than bunching all the newsgroups together
on the newsgroups prompt of postnews. This creates a copy for each newssgroup
rather than links to one copy. Needless to say, the former method wastes disk 
space, transfer time/cost etc..

     I sent private e-mail to the posters but they have not corrected this.
Perhaps a posting in s.r.i would help?

Thanks,
-- 
T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)

Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: esrmp@warwick.ac.uk (Lami Kaya)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: "Halal Meat" or "Jew Kosher Meat"
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:52:34 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu


Dear netters,

I would like to ask your views on a situation which puzzled
and disturbed me.

I have friend here. He seems to be very 'strict' in his diet.
Such as checking each product if there is any harmful/unlawful
preservatives and other ingredients (we try to do the same).
... and he tries to be a "devout" muslim...

The thing which puzzled and disturbed me is that; Last night
we had a discussion regarding 'halal meat' and Jew "Kosher meat".
He pointed out that he prefers Jew Kosher than so called
'halal meat' from indian and Pakistani butchers here. The logic
which he is using is that if Jew say it is "Kosher meat"
it is certainly "Kosher meat" and lawful to eat, but he does not
trust Pakistani or Indian butchers in the way they slaughter
the animal and so their meat is not lawful for him.

He was not buying and eating meat for long time. Despite there are
many butchers being around, who sell "halal meat". Last night
when I saw him eating a meal which have mince-meat in it, then the
discussion started. Then he explained that he found a shop, that sells
"Jew Kosher(sp?) meat". I hope you got the point...

I argued a little bit, but before going further, I wanted get your
opinion on the matter.

This question and discussion is absolutely intended to find the truth.
This question may seem simple or irrelevant to some, but I think it is
worth to spent some time on it.

Peace be upon all who seek and follow the divine guidance.

Lami
From: karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Information About American Universities
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:14:57 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu


Hello Everybody,

        I am seeking some information about American Universities.
        The ones I am interested in are MIT,Carnegie-Mellon,Stanford 
        and Northwestern.
        I am going to apply for PhD in the field of Data Communication/Networks.
        And I need some information about projects and names of supervisors 
        whom I can contact at these Uni's.
        So I will be very grateful if somebody can help in this matter.
        And thank you in advance.

Kutaiba Razzooqi.


(PS: currently I am doing my MSc in Optical Communication and I wish to apply        for Sep.1993)
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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: cavus@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: IJTIHAD. PART 5.1.
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:54:41 GMT
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

Esselamu Aleykum.

TREATISE  ON  IJTIHAD   PART  5.1

>From The Twenty Seventh Word 

     This treatise was once written in Arabic. Now, due to a request
of my two friends, it will be rewritten  in Turkish  to give a
lesson to the one who overstepped his bounds.

In the Name Of Allah the Compassionate the  Merciful

"If theyhad only referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with
authority." (Al Qur'an 4:83)

     Know O Dear Friend! The door of ijtihad, which is one of the
religious matters, is open. But at this time, there are six
barriers to enter there.

     Fifth Barrier. There are three points which show that the
present ijtihads are earthly, and away from the purpose of the
Sharia. The Sharia (Islamic Jurisprudence and Science)  is from
above (revelation from Allah SWT).  The ijtihads which are
revealing the hidden judgements of the Sharia must reflect the
purpose of the Sharia. 

First point: Every thing and judgement comes into existance as a
result of a primary cause ('illa, see note) along with its
benefits (maslaha). But maslaha is not the same as 'illa;
rather, its role is only for determining the preference. 
Contrary to this fact, the views at this time are aimed at
replacing the primary cause with wisdom and benefit, and then,
making judgements (huqm) on their basis.  Of course, such
ijtihad is earthly, and hence does not  reflect the principles
of Sharia.

will continue in$aallah

C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C* 
These translations are from the Risale-i Nur Collection of Bediuzzaman Siad
Nursi (RA) which consists of a total of 134 books in Turkish and few in Arabic.
Tranlators are a group of  students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and
Case Western Reserve  University-Cleveland.  All correspondence should be
directed to the e-mail address appering in this posting.  We are posting these
translations part by part but if anyone is interested we can send the whole
topic to personal e-mail addresses.  These topics have also appeared in the
weekly letter "Droplet  -  From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an"
published and distributed in the Islamic Centers of Madison-WI and Cleveland-OH
after every Friday-Prayer.  Thank you.  The Talabat-un Noor.
C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*
From: cavus@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Treatise on IJTIHAD. Part 2
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:22:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)

[Postmarked: Mon, 13 Jul 92 22:18:23 CDT ]

Esselamu Aleykum

TREATISE  ON  IJTIHAD.   PART 2

From The Twenty Seventh Word 

     This treatise was once written in Arabic. Now, due to a request
of my two friends, it will be rewritten  in Turkish  to give a
lesson to the one who overstepped his bounds.

In the Name Of Allah the Compassionate the  Merciful

"If theyhad only referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with
authority." (Al Qur'an 4:83)

     Know O Dear Friend! The door of ijtihad, which is one of the
religious matters, is open. But at this time, there are six
barriers to enter there.

     Second Barrier.  The fundamentals of Islam accept no ijtihad at
all because they are definite and well-determined. Those
fundamentals are the nourishment and the power (for Muslims).
Ironically, at this time, they are abandoned and not given
enough care by many Muslims. Hence, it is necessary to focus all
the endeavors and attentions to the revival of those neglected
fundamentals. However, in viewing the details of Islam, even
though the pure and sincere opinions (ijtihads) of Salef
Salihiin (1) are enough for the needs of all times, ignoring
their genuine ijtihads, and then, following self-driven desires
and producing new ijtihads, and thus helping the growth of
bid'as would be a great betrayal towards Islam. 

will continue in$aallah

C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C* 
These translations are from the Risale-i Nur Collection of Bediuzzaman Siad
Nursi (RA) which consists of a total of 134 books in Turkish and few in Arabic.
Tranlators are a group of  students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and
Case Western Reserve  University-Cleveland.  All correspondence should be
directed to the e-mail address appering in this posting.  We are posting these
translations part by part but if anyone is interested we can send the whole
topic to personal e-mail addresses.  These topics have also appeared in the
weekly letter "Droplet  -  From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an"
published and distributed in the Islamic Centers of Madison-WI and Cleveland-OH
after every Friday-Prayer.  Thank you.  The Talabat-un Noor.
C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*
From: cavus@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: IJTIHAD.  PART 4.
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: cavus@cae.wisc.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Esselamu Aleykum.

TREATISE  ON  IJTIHAD   PART  4

>From The Twenty Seventh Word 

     This treatise was once written in Arabic. Now, due to a request
of my two friends, it will be rewritten  in Turkish  to give a
lesson to the one who overstepped his bounds.

In the Name Of Allah the Compassionate the  Merciful

"If theyhad only referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with
authority." (Al Qur'an 4:83)

     Know O Dear Friend! The door of ijtihad, which is one of the
religious matters, is open. But at this time, there are six
barriers to enter there.

     Fourth Barrier. If a thing has a tendency to flourish, since
that tendency is innate, a new growth would be a true progress
for that thing. In the case when the tendency of the growth is
forced from outside, then, the skin gets torn away leading to
destruction. 
     If the purpose of a person who is approaching Islam through the
door of ijtihad and willing to enlarge the details of Islamic
matters is to obey the requirements of Islam and to be gifted
with more taqwaa and perfection in obedience, it would be very
nice. 
     For example, the tendency towards ijtihad shown by the
people like Salef Salihin who entered Islam through the door of
perfect taqwaa and with complete obedience to its fundamentals
(daruriyat) is an actual inner growth.  Such a growth is
authentic, accurate, beneficial, and sincere. 
     However, if a person is abandoning the fundamentals and preferring the
worldly
life over the hereafter, his tendency to make ijtihad is indeed
a way to destruction and bid'a. His ijtihad is an excuse to be
freed from his responsibility towards Allah, and therefore is
harmful.

will continue in$aallah

C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C* 
These translations are from the Risale-i Nur Collection of Bediuzzaman Siad
Nursi (RA) which consists of a total of 134 books in Turkish and few in Arabic.
Tranlators are a group of  students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and
Case Western Reserve  University-Cleveland.  All correspondence should be
directed to the e-mail address appering in this posting.  We are posting these
translations part by part but if anyone is interested we can send the whole
topic to personal e-mail addresses.  These topics have also appeared in the
weekly letter "Droplet  -  From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an"
published and distributed in the Islamic Centers of Madison-WI and Cleveland-OH
after every Friday-Prayer.  Thank you.  The Talabat-un Noor.
C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    

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From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
Subject: RE: Questions about Islam from an Innocent.
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Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:37:00 GMT


[Postmarked: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 00:48:14 GMT ]

SLZM9@CC.USU.EDU writes:


|   I have a few questions concerning Islam. My motivation for these
|questions is to understand my fellow human beings and in so doing
|trying to take one small step toward peace on this planet. If you
|do not feel these questions are of general interest please feel
|free to email your responses to me. If they are of general interest
|email me and post to this newsgroup.

		(lots of good questions deleted)

	To those who answer these in detail, please *do* post the opinions.

		Thanks...

			Marie

Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: RBNXHS@ROHVM1.BITNET
Subject: [Re: List of prophets]
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:53:00 GMT


[Postmarked: 10 Jul 92   15:37 EDT]

This is in response to Brother Basalat's list of prophets mentioned in
the Qur'an:
Prophet Zakariya, who is mentioned as the father of Yahya'
alaihe was-salam (AWS) should not be confused with the
the prophet Zechariah of the Bible (approx. 600 B.C.).

As Muslims, we do not believe that Adam (AWS) lived in
the 4th millenium B.C., nor do we have any time tables
for other Biblical prophets. Jews and Christians believe
that Adam (AWS) lived nearly 3900 B.C (based on their
Bible). This alone proves the errancy within the Bible.

Lastly, the Dhul-Qarnain should not be confused with
King Alexander the great, who was a pagan. The Qur'an
mentions Dhul-Qarnain as a God-fearing ruler. Alexander
the great, in contrast, was an evil, ruthless, king.
So any similarity between the two is totally nonsense.
Mowlana Abul Kalam Azad (of India) believed
King Cyrus of Persia (who ruled Persia and Media around
538 B.C) to be Dhul-Qarnain. Any one interested can read
his Tafsir of the Qur'an.

- H. Siddiqui.
From: ALACH@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Information about Muhammad
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:48:48 GMT

mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) said:
===================================================
>
>  I have two comments on a very informative article:
>
>In article <711576949@lear.cs.duke.edu> ALACH@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
>
>>	He married and divorced many women.
>  Actually, he never got a divorce.
>
=======================================================
	Comment: This is mentioned by Ibn al-Muthanna among
	others.

G Housinei
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