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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Reading too much into lyrics (was Re: Extreme)
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:49:06 GMT

In article <blah blah blah> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
[regarding Extreme's More Than Words]
>I don't think that "have sex with me" was the message they were trying to give. 
>I've heard that look at it many times from Christians, but NEVER from
>non-Christians.
>
>Perhaps the song is more innocent?  Maybe?  Maybe not?

I've noticed that sometimes we tend to assume the world is being perverse
when it actually isn't.  When Amy Grant did "Stay For Awhile" a Christian
friend of mine complained that the song was clearing describing an illicit
affair that she was remembering fondly.  Give me a break already!
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:14:00 EST
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: looking for a band called Bei Domini?
 <1992Nov11.054907.25855@samba.oit.unc.edu> <19203@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
 <1992Nov17.183203.12028@bsu-ucs>

In article <1992Nov17.183203.12028@bsu-ucs>, 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
>
>Veni Domine would (roughly) translate to "Come quickly Lord" or something like
>it...I'm not terribly familiar with Latin, tho.


     This Veni Domine everyone is talking about: are they comparable to say
the complexity of Rush, Yes, King's X with a Galactic Grunge? I read something
about someone comparing them to Dream Theatre, and I just have to know more!!!
All info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

                                     -Ed

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               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
        "If it's not available in letterbox, it's not worth buying."
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From: psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: I Still Believe (Russ Taff's version)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:14:51 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Russ Taff Call

In article <1992Nov16.161540.23160@olaf.wellesley.edu> kwolters@fred.wellesley.edu (Keith Wolters) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I am a big fan of The Call and when I heard that Russ Taff had done a
>cover of their song "I Still Believe" I was interested in hearing it.
>I have not yet heard it although I recently purchased another of Russ
>Taff's CDs and really enjoy it.  Is there anyone who has heard both
>versions of "I Still Believe" (and the version from the soundtrack of
>"The Lost Boys" movie for that matter) and can comment on which they
>like best?
>

I am also a big fan of the Call, and enjoy Russ Taff on occasion.  However, in
my opinion, Russ butchered "I Still Believe."  The music is almost the same,
but the vocals are awful (maybe due to the fact that it is a live recording).
There are sections where Russ screams the lyrics and some of the most important
words are unintellegable.

Standard Disclaimers apply.

                                Troy Carpenter
                        Department of Computer Sciences
                        THE University of Texas, Austin
                              psurge@cs.utexas.edu

"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor

*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*

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From: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Pad Thai
Reply-To: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:47:56 GMT

	The song is a lunch song.  It's talking about Thai food, you know?
"When my brain starts to fry, time to go and get lunch."  Does that make better
sense?  Read the Album cover, that may clarify things even more.


		Sad to see Streak Wheeler gone,
		Michael Waldron "The Renaissance Man"
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: God *is* a Republican (was: Hymns)
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:48:54 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

> From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
> Keywords: TANGENT virus at bottom of post BEWARE
> TANGENT VIRUS INSERTED HERE:
> Per the neverending thread on Clinton et all:
> >>The point is the Bible was mocked so Republican Christians
> >>could be mocked.
> No, not even close, the point is dissension.
>
> Folks I was actually in a church that said:  God is a republican,
> that scared me bad, still really bothers me.
  {stuff deleted}
> Why, someone will ask, did you not leave the church?  Well for
> starters, the pastor, a very wise servant of the Lord,
  {stuff editted}
> that nonsense any more than I did and put a halt to it.
> What is wrong with this picture?  God is in control, His will, not
> ours be done.  Also this isn't the judeo christian era.

Great points!

Like you, the church where attend pushed "Bush" as the only possible candidate
that any "real" Christian should be voting for.  Not only that they emphasized
that voting any other way would be sin.  Even the local televangelists were
toting that to NOT vote for Bush would be sin.

This is spiritual coersion and sinful as far as *I'm* concerned.  Well, since
I voted for Clinton I guess God's blotted my name out of the Book of Life?
Right?  I guess all the faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour will not
save me anymore.  I guess I've finally found out what the "Blasphemy of the
Holy Spirit" sin really is. Right?  Or did I miss the scriptures where such a
passage proclaiming Bush as the Holy one of God can be found. Is that in the
famous Book of Hezekiah?

I respect my pastor as a good man of God, but I do not put my faith in his
every word.  Rather I rely on the Holy Spirit and my faith in Jesus and His
guidance in understanding the scriptures.

"For I am determined to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and Him
crucified..." (2 Cor 2:2)
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From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Subject: Re: Becker
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.010851.28313@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
> 
> In article <98047@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> |> Anyone familiar with Margaret Becker?  I saw a CD of hers the other day,
> |> which was produced and arranged by Charlie Peacock.  I've heard of him but
> |> not her.  What's she like?
> 
>    She's excellent (IMHO). When I first heard her, she immediately
> reminded me of the secular group "Heart". She basically does good
> old fashioned rock - from hard stuff to balads. She has increased 
> the proportion of balads on her albums, so she isn't as rowdy as
> most Christian artists most of the time. She is DEFFINITELY worth
> a listen.
> 
>     Never for Nothing
>     (can't remember the name of her second album...)
>     Immigrant's Daughter
>     Simple House
>     Greatest Hits

I agree with Tim.  I've seen her at Marriott's Great America in San Jose, CA
a couple of times, and each time, it's better.  She has a powerful alto voice
and has used her talent to God's glory very well.

Her band is quite good as well.  She plays the guitar during the performance,
and leads you into her songs with tenderness during the ballads, and power
during the rock.

I know my wife doesn't like her as much, she's more into the Susan Ashton
style, but my likes include more rock.

Charlie Peacock is a good person to be producing for her.  He also has a strong
Christain foundation to lean on.

Enjoy !!!

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|  |    BTW: LORAL doesn't have anything to do with my opinions.    v  |
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From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: Geoff Moore & the Distance
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:45:12 GMT



Just recently got their new CD "A Friend Like U".  It is the first
recording of their's that I have heard and I *really* like it.  I
was wondering if there are other fans of them in netland that would
let me know something about them and their previous recordings, 
cause I'm interested in getting some moore.  :-)

Thanks!!!
-- 

Tim Foster 
E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com
From: jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CHORD MUSIC FOR PRAISE SONGS
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:33:13 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


	Has anyone ever posted praise songs with chords so a guitarist
like myself could learn some praise songs?  The would look sort of like:

			JUDE 24 & 25

	G	 G/F#	    em	    em7		      A		C   D
	Now unto Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,

	G	G/F#	    em	    em7		      A		C   D
	And will present you before His presence with singing,

	am2	     bm   
	Be honor and glory,       (honor and glory)

	C	     D	
	Both now and forever,     (now and forever),

	C	     D
	Forever, and ever, 
	
	G	 G/F#	    em	    em7
	Amen............................  
	
	C	em	    em6     am     D	
	Amen............................
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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard New Whitecross
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:29:21 GMT

superc@topper.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase) writes:

> So, has anyone heard songs from the new Whitecross album. On the Christian metal program on the university radio station last night, I heard the guy announcing titles of songs he just played and one of them was 'from the new whitecross'. If anyone has it, let me know how it stands up to their previous stuff, please.

I have heard most of it (listened to a demo tape at my local bookstore.  I
should be getting the CD by mail order within a few days).  From what I have
heard, it is very good.  The guitar solo track wasn't quite up to par with
what he has done in the past.  The one BIG bright spot is the ballads     
(particularly In America), they just keep getting better and better.  If you
like White Cross, I would definitely recommend buying it.

BTW, has anybody seen Whitecross on the High Gear tour yet?  I'm going to 
see them in Detroit on December 4th.  They have an opening band and will
apparently have a laser show along with them.  Anyone seen it?


--
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nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     do after the sermon is over.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
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From: sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Chasing (the) kangaroos
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:31:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Nov16.163126.5418
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <74645@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.201301.11106@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>>no, but then again i don't listen to Adam Again. i can readily
>>believe they'd do such a thing, especially seeing the amount
>>self-referential stuff just in the Choir's albums.
>
Stuff about the Choir deleted
>
>While we're on the subject of the Choir (YAY), does anyone know what
>goes on at the end of 'Clouds?'  Is that backmasking or what?  Also, 
>who's the lady singing at the very end?
>
I always thought it was Grandma Daugherty.  Could be wrong though.

>
>JRjr
>
>-- 
>'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
>through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
>around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
>#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################


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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith Tour 1993
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 04:08:47 GMT

In article <1dvt6qINNfie@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rich@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Sybase) writes:
> 
> In a previouspost I promised to post any dates for the
> Change Your World 93 Tour, as they became available to
> me.  The following dates were sent to me, but they are
> only for the state of California.
> 
> March 26th 1992 - Oakland California - Oakland Arena
> March 27th 1992 - Inglewood California - Venue ?????
> March 28th 1992 - Davis California - U.C. Davis
> March 29th 1992 - San Diego Calfornia - Venue ??????

The Inglewood date is probably the Forum (Home of the Lakers).
The San Diego date is probably the sports arena downtown.

> Sorry I don't know more about the Southern California
> dates, but since I live in the North, I guess they 
> didn't think I would be all that interested.
> Try the Phone Number that I have seem posted here
> 1-900-7Smitty if you need more specific information.
> Tickets have not yet gone on sale for ANY concerts in
> California on this tour.
> 
> Rich
> rich@cats.ucsc.edu
>  

Looking forward to this show...

Chris S.
 
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From: ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Kelvin S. Bryant)
Subject: Organ Instrumentals
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: rec.music.christian
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:58:50 GMT

I love the organ and would like to find some Christian/Gospel 
music with plenty of organ.  I would prefer instrumental.  Any
suggestions?

kelvin
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From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.212633.21@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>> >we do not have to be nothing for Christ to be great. he will be 
>> >great
>> 
>> Paul kind of thought you did.
>
>Paul was either incorrect, or you're misinterpreting him. i believe
>i know the scripture you're referring to, and you're misinterpreting.
>at least, i've read my Bible, and never did Paul make such an
>absurd claim as "if there are intelligent people in the world, then
>Christ's power is reduced".

Yeah, but Jason, let the intelligent people be others.  There's no call
for us to pull ourselves up out of the muck of ignorance we were born in!

>:^>    >:^>    >:^>

			--Michael

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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: I Still Believe (Russ Taff's version)
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:48:54 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> I am a big fan of The Call and when I heard that Russ Taff had done a
> cover of their song "I Still Believe" I was interested in hearing it.
> I have not yet heard it although I recently purchased another of Russ
> Taff's CDs and really enjoy it.  Is there anyone who has heard both
> versions of "I Still Believe" (and the version from the soundtrack of
> "The Lost Boys" movie for that matter) and can comment on which they
> like best?
> 
> Keith

I personally like the arrangement of the Russ Taff one, but the Lost Boys one
has a better overall sound to it.  Although, I don't like the sax in that song.

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From: WEBBG@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Becker
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:00:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsuvm1.168A39AC1.WEBBG
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING

In article <98047@netnews.upenn.edu>
crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
 
>
>Anyone familiar with Margaret Becker?  I saw a CD of hers the other day,
>which was produced and arranged by Charlie Peacock.  I've heard of him but
>not her.  What's she like?
>
>
>--
>The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
>if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
 
She is awesome, not only are her songs spiritually deep but the woman can
rock!  She is a small red-headed dynamo on stage, with an incredible relationsh
ip with Jesus.
Check her out!
 
Geoff
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: What do you do when one of your own
Keywords: makes Metallica look good?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:03:54 GMT

In article <1earjkINNa3i@transfer.stratus.com> markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.200419.7900@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>>
>>I think I've been had, and its not even April 1.
>>  Let me see, this
>>is starting to sound a lot like:
>>	- shouldn't eat meat at all
>>	- shouldn't eat meat sacrificed to idols
>>	- have to be circumcised
>>or more temporally
>>	- shouldn't have instrumental music in church
>>	- gifts of the Holy Spirit died out with apostles
>>	- shouldn't serve wine instead of grape juice or vis versa
>>And now re-introducing
>>	- christian rock is bad
>>
>>Anybody know any real good songs about legalism?
>
>No.  But I do know a VERY good passage of scripture that answers
>the issues you just presented.  Look up I Corinthian 8.  Yes, it
>discusses meat sacrificed to idols.  It also teaches the principle 
>that one should abstain from eating that meat if it is detrimental
>to your testimony.  Not that it isn't legal for the CHristian, but
>it isn't expediant.
>
>Now refer to Acts chapter 16.  You will see that Paul had Timothy
>circumcised.  What!  But Paul just got finished saying that
>circumcision was not required by God.  But in chapter 16, the reason
>is given that, because Timothy was to witness among the Jews in a
>certain area, he should be circumcised so as not to detract from his
>testimony.
>
>This doesn't sound like legalism to me.  It sounds like clear
>principles that are needed if we are to be effective bearers of
>the gospel of Jesus Christ.

...so the question is not about whether or not rock music is good, but
whether or not it is good *for our testimony*.  I would argue that that
depends on the people to whom we are witnessing.  To those who listen
to rock music, my witness may be more effective if I can understand the
music and talk about it, and explain my beliefs in that light.  A
*lack* of familiarity with music could conceivably detract from one's
witness, particularly if it results in a complete lack of understanding
of the people to whom it is so very important.

Since there is no longer a question about rock music being inherently
evil, we no longer have to worry about eliminating it from people's
lives, unless it becomes a stumbling block to one's faith.  In those
cases where someone *does* have problems with music (rock or
otherwise), we should avoid it in his presence, but there is no
precedent to eliminate it from our daily lives when those around us
have no objection.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                    PictureTel Corp. (so there)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: SATAN!
From: <G20LG@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 12:57:32 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

MINISTRY? THERE'S A PLACE PREPARED IN HELL ESPECIALLY FOR FOR THAT EVIL
BAND. WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN TO SOME POWERFUL "KING'S X" MUSIC. THEY ARE
THE BEST BAND AROUND AND THEY WORSHIP THE KING OF KINGS, JESUS CHRIST.
REPENT WHILE YOU CAN BECAUSE THE KING IS COMING VERY, VERY SOON.