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From: inkari@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha Inkari)
Subject: Sepultura - Morbid Visions
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: alt
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:04:22


Ok, what is the classical music piece used in Intro and Empire of the
Damned (from Morbid Visions). I have heard the same piece of (opera?)
used in many instances so it must be quite well known work. 

One place where it is used as soundtrack: the slaughter scene in the
beginning of Conan the Barbarian (?).

--
/* Juha.Inkari@hut.fi */
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From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Questions and Requests
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:02:23 GMT

In article <92246.171033C09615MT@wuvmd.wustl.edu> Michael Teller <C09615MT@wuvmd.wustl.edu> writes:
>Happy, happy  Joy, joy! I'm back from the summer and now I can start reading
>the lists again. Yay. Any way  over the summer I bought an EP by a group
>called Nemesis which was started by Leif Edling of Candlemass before he started
>Candlemass. Nemesis has a few of the same members and the EP (titled, Day Of
>Retribution) has two Candlmass demos on it. I really like the music on it and
>I was wondering if anyone knows if there were ever any other Nemesis albums or
>EP's. Has anyone else ever heard this EP and if so what did you think? Is it
>anything like newer Candlemass stuff (I've never heard any of their music that
>I know of)? Finally does anyone have lyrics for the songs on this album?
>(Titles are:Nemesis:Black Messiah, In God We Trust, Theme Of The Guardians,
>The King Is Dead, Goodnight   Candlemass:Blackstone Wielder and Demon's Gate).
>
>
>Next order of business: How many Samhain albums are there? I know of Initium,
>Final Descent and Samhain III, November Coming Fire. I've seen a release of
>Initium that had the Unholy Passion sessions that I have on my copy of Final
>Descent as well as the songs that were on the original Initium. Also I'm
>pretty sure that Final Descent was released after Samhain III, so what happened
>to Samhain II? Regardless of the answers to any of these questions I would
>greatly appreciate it if someone could E-mail me the lyrics to Samhain III.
>
>Talk to you later,
>                  Teller

I was unaware that Edling had anything to do with Nemesis, since his name is
not on the EP I have seen. They do feature Candlemass's original vocalist <the
one before Messiah, that sang on Epicus Doomicus Metallicus>, and that explains
the Candlemass demos. 
If you like Nemesis, try "Epicus Doomicus Metallicus", or especially "Nightfall"
from Candlemass. After that, the originality factor begins to sag, but the
albums aren't bad. I don't mind the Live one too much, except for some
annoying crowd stroking by Messiah.

Anybody know if the rumors of Messiah Mercolin being out of  Candlemass
are true? And if so, who is the new vocallist?
Thanks in advance...

					--Judex--

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From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Sepultura & Baphomet
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:06:32 PDT

In article <17bqbiINNiui@network.ucsd.edu>, groening@sdsc.edu (Chris Groening) writes:
> There aren't as many groups as heavy as Sepultera with
> that good a sound.
> 
> Obvious (I hope) ones are Pantera and Celtic Frost.
	Coroner, Carcass?  Some ones to czech out.

> 
> Others are Cerebral Fix and Entombed.

	Cerebral Fix doesn't seem to get the attention it deserves.  I've only
been able to find two albums, Tower of Spite and Bastards.  They have a
punk-based death metal sound that's unique and well-done.
	Also, don't forget dead horse - as heavy, thrashier, more cerebral and
less obvious tahn Sepultura...

<c>.
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From: mortena@ifi.uio.no (Morten Amundsen)
Subject: Maiden+Testament
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:47:49 GMT
Originator: mortena@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no



 Yesterday (August 31st) Iron Maiden and Testament struck Oslo!!!!
 Having never seen Testament live before, I was kind of blown away
 by both sound and intensity... Holy Shit!!!
 They were on for about 45-50 minutes and played something from all
 their albums.

 Iron Maiden seriouly kicked ass!!! I've never seen Maiden like this
 before... I hated their concert for 'No Prayer For The Dying', but
 this was unbelievable...
 During 'The Trooper' Chuck Billy and Eric Peterson came on stage
 fencing! :) After 'killing' Eric, Chuck started fencing with Bruce...
 You can imagine how that went... :))

 All in all a great concert!!!!!

 By the way, Testament mentioned (I think) that this was their last show
 on the Maiden tour... So who's taking over? It couldn't be WASP?
 If it was I guess I would be kind of pissed if I were to see Maiden
 the next few days!!!

 Morten.

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From: jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Sepultura - Morbid Visions
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:54:45 GMT

In article <INKARI.92Aug25220422@vipunen.hut.fi> inkari@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha Inkari) writes:
>
>Ok, what is the classical music piece used in Intro and Empire of the
>Damned (from Morbid Visions). I have heard the same piece of (opera?)
>used in many instances so it must be quite well known work. 

Carl Orff's Carmina Burana.

>One place where it is used as soundtrack: the slaughter scene in the
>beginning of Conan the Barbarian (?).

And zillions of other places.

BTW, "Distribution: alt" is probably not a good idea.

-- 
Joseph Malcolm				jmalcolm@sura.net		
SURAnet Operations			+1 301 982-4600
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From: st1j6@rosie.uh.edu (Shipchandler, Lovai)
Subject: SEPULTURA NEWS
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:55:00 GMT



..the buzz is that Max is currently somewhere in the Amazon with Gloria
his manager...and that they are talking about getting married....she's
pretty old for him ..I think..

                      ......rot  

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From: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg)
Subject: Re: Sepultura
Reply-To: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Organization: Inter-tel, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:41:35 GMT

     Thanks to everybody who responded to  my  original  post about Sepultura
(including the e-mail).  I've got a lot of new leads to check out now.

     One of the most difficult things is finding  out  about new stuff coming
out.  Normally, radio is no help although in Phoenix we've got a couple hours
a week dedicated to the heavy stuff on a local radio station (KUPD Sundays at
9PM).  Each year, they run through the top heavy singles  of  the  year.  For
what its worth, here is the 1991 list (theirs, not mine!):

1.  Sepultura            Arise
                         Orgasmatron
                         
2.  Metallica            Holier Than Thou

3.  Slayer               Hallowed Point

4.  Ministry             Jesus Built My Hot Rod

5.  Bolt Thrower         What Dwells Within

6.  Sacred Reich         Let's Have A War

7.  Skyclad              Trance Dance

8.  Anthrax              Milk

9.  Infectious Grooves   Punk It Up

10. Metal Church         Date With Poverty



Greg Wohlenberg
wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
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From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Sepultura
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:17:37 GMT

(lots of stuff deleted)

>>Carcass --Necrotism is good too..well...great, but I forgot to add it to that
>>list... :)
>Carcass is fucking incredible live, but their live sound is a lot
>cleaner than on the recording.  The Tools of the Trade EP is better, but
>>1) Entombed - Clandestine : this is simply one of the best produced albums I 
>>Entombed.  fast, very gory, and WELL produced.  very tight and dynamic, but 
>>digital sound, great intros/soundbites too.
>As I said, I think the production sucks.
>
>Sean

Ah Man!!!!!!!!! 
Carcass ripped it up last nite at the Omni in Oak-town!!!!!
And their sound was perfect.....as far as the album goes
the sound was the same.........................awesome!!!!!
Carcass is my favorite so everything is good about them.
IMO they are better than Entombed,but don't get me wrong
Entombed is my 3rd favorite with Cannibal Corpse coming in
2nd!!!!!!! Well hope you all made it last nite!! It was
well worth the $15!!!!!

noah  

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From: aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar)
Subject: Re: One & Haverster of Sorrow?
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:21:36 GMT


Check out Circus magazine. Sometimes they have bootlegs you can order in
different ads, or send for an underground catalog. You could also try your
local imort/export music store. Sometimes they can import one in, mostly from
Japan. Seems Metallica is kinda big over there now. I got the Breadfan single,
and the Harvester of Sorrow CD at my local Camelot Music store, under the
Metallica bracket. <Lucky, I guess.> You're best bet would be to order
underground, or check out your import store. A normal music store wouldn't
carry em, unless they are a VERY popular and well visited store. Thats my
advice...

...Dp...
-- 
I hate punks who play 9-Ball....
      
                         -- Eddie Felson, The Color Of Money
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From: dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE)
Subject: Re: Re:(Samhain and Candlemass (was:Questions and Requests
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.232630.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
>In article <1992Sep3.184202.20213@ncsu.edu>, cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes: 
>> Well, I've read a few replies to this and I'd like to add some of my own.
>> First, to the "rabid" Samhain fan. I don't know if you meant on vinyl or CD,
>> but I have the cassette version of "Initium/Unholy Passion". 

The impresson that I've always gotten is as follows:

Initium released on Plan 9 records 84 or 85
Unholy Passion released on Plan 9 records 85
Samhain signs with Caroline records thereby ending all Plan 9 releases to
   become Plan9/Caroline releases
November Coming Fire released on Plan 9/Caroline

When Caroline signed Glenn, they also got the rights to Misfits material.
Thereby the decided to re-release some stuff w/ extra trax:
   Earth A.D. w/ Mommy..., and We Bite [Original release doesn't have the
            latter two and is a Plan 9 release]
   Legacy of Brutality  unreleased trax except that a few were on the 
            Misfits 7" & Glenn Danzig 7" releases
   Initium/Unholy Passion released together in one format
   Evilive w/extra trax released with 5 additional trax to the original
            Misfits Evilive 7" release

Since then they've put out the Misfits Comp album and Final descent which
have just milked the dead corpse for money for a few trax that we haven't
heard

By the way, the Caroline deal did not include the rights to the Walk Among 
Us lp which was on Slash Records or the 4 song 12" released in Britian which
name eludes me at this time

Anyway that's it for me

Dave

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From: dvanhorn@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Dave VanHorn)
Subject: Slayer.etc.
Summary: I don't know.i dont know 
Keywords: slayer.metal
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 05:05:05 GMT
Expires: September 12, 1992

I was wondering, could anybody suggest a couple good Slayer tapes and
a few good Misfits tapes.  I seem to recall hearing a Misfits song
once that was about raping someones mother and killing someone's baby,
etc., but I never found out what album it was off of.  I have the
album Plan 9, but it's not on there.  I happen to remember someone
posting that very passage from the Misfits that I was talking about on
this network as part of his sig.
     Also, has anybody ever heard of the punk band 'Minor Threat'?
I had the tape 'Out of Step' by them but I lost it, and haven't been
able
to find another one since.  Does anybody have this tape that would be
willing to copy it for me or sell it or any other Minor Threat tapes?
     Also, is anybody here into the band 'The Exploited'?

Post to network, not E-mail

waldo



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From: wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN, W.W.W)
Subject: Re: Pantera Show (Chicago)  TAPED!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:12:00 GMT

>:: Robert J Knaack                    :: "You call ME crazy? You wouldn't  :: 
>:: knaack@csd4.csd.uwm.edu            ::  know crazy if Charles Manson was :: 
>:: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee::  sitting on your front porch eat- ::
>::                                    ::  ing Fruit Loops" - Mike Muir     ::

                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This reminds me of something I saw on eMpTyV one night back when they played
You Can't Bring Me Down. They had always had the bleeps later on in the song
everytime Muir said 'shit' or 'fuck' but this time they bleeped over the
'Loops' in Fruit Loops in this part of the song. Why? They did it this way
every time they've played it since then too. 

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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Re:(Samhain and Candlemass (was:Questions and Requests
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:26:30 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep3.184202.20213@ncsu.edu>, cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes: 
> Well, I've read a few replies to this and I'd like to add some of my own.
> First, to the "rabid" Samhain fan. I don't know if you meant on vinyl or CD,
> but I have the cassette version of "Initium/Unholy Passion".  

Let me get this straight. Does it have tracks from Unholy Passion on it? Or is
it just Initium, listed as a double album because it has some extra pictures on
it, which is what I've encountereed?

> I don't know
> why Glenn went back and did "Final Descent" after his Danzig stuff.  I'd
> be intrigued to know this, since he stopped playing Misfits and Samhain songs
> after the first Danzig tour.  Reason: "You came to see Danzig, not the Misfits"

I think he had the stuff recorded and sitting around for a while. Speculation
(based entirely on my fevered imagination):  When Danzig picked up Christ,
maybe they recorded the new stuff on Final Descent, then decided that it wasn't
the direction they wanted to go in. Notice that they didn't have Biscuits. On
the other hand, I heard that he got kicked out. This was before the new album,
and since we haven't gotten that yet, I don't know if he's on there or not.
Either way, I think the name of the album says it all:  don't look for another.

As for their not playing old stuff anymore, I have heard him say that it wasn't
fair to the other members of Danzig-the-band. Of course, I have heard him say
many things. Like, he said that nobody at the time understood what he was
trying to do with the Misfits, but I have him on tape, at a Misfits concert,
saying that they were just having fun (or words to that effect). I think the
real reason that they don't play old music is that he's sore that they are so
popular now, and he is trying to take himself seriously, which doesn't work.
 
--Semhaza, A.C.
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx02.louisville.edu (Shaitan)
Subject: Re:(Samhain and Candlemass (was:Questions and Requests
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.184202.20213@ncsu.edu>, cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULI writes...
> 
>Well, I've read a few replies to this and I'd like to add some of my own.
>First, to the "rabid" Samhain fan. I don't know if you meant on vinyl or CD,

The 4 we listed were vinyl; CD versions are all available except for Unholy
Passion (but it *is* on Final Descent & also on special versions of Initium, so
I'm told).  

>but I have the cassette version of "Initium/Unholy Passion".  I don't know
>why Glenn went back and did "Final Descent" after his Danzig stuff.  I'd
>be intrigued to know this, since he stopped playing Misfits and Samhain songs
>after the first Danzig tour.  Reason: "You came to see Danzig, not the Misfits"

I get a very strong attitude from G. Danzig that he *detests* the Misfits,
both bandwise and songwise.  I think he resents the success the Misfits are
having today that they weren't having when when they were together.  Since his
success today is based more on the, err, "serious" work he's doing.  Performing
Misfits songs might cause disappointment to the more, err, "intellectual" types
(that is, the ones who might view the Misfits & Samhain as "noise") who are
attracted to the Danzig group (really intellectual work, that Danzig II video!!
Oh, yeah!!!  :) :) :)  ).  As for Samhain, I think that Danzig (the band) is
just an evolution from that (into a more "acceptable" form of music).  For me,
as Danzig "evolves," I get less interested.  I prefer the primeval forces at
work in the Misfits and Samhain era (which are fleeing fast, IMO).  Thid
doesn't mean that I dislike Danzig's self-named band, however. . .but for the
most part, I *don't*.

I really am interested in the real reasons Glen D. excludes his earlier work
from the playlist if I'm wrong about reasons of pride/contempt.

--Shaitan--

"The goose that lays the golden egg--I'll sacrifice and bury it,
 If you don't believe me watch me as upon its grave I spit,
 Worldly treasures have no worth--but self-respect is beyond price,
 And Hell's the best alternative when faced with your fool's paradise.
 Some say I bite the hand that feeds--but to these disillusioned eyes
 'tis sweet revenge to watch it bleed (it has only fed me lies),
 The dead horses you were flogging could not rise and stand upon its legs,
 Behold the leper-minstrel has been cured and nevermore shall beg."--Skyclad

> 
>--------------
> 
>Chris Georgoulias
>cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu
> 
> 
> 
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From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: celtic frost questions
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:45:17 GMT

In article <Bu0xnG.3wt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> azrael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (AZRAEL-The Angel of Death) writes:
>
>      Recently, I picked up a few CF discs and just about 
>    creamed myself when I listened to them.  I am much
>    saddened knowing that they are broken up, and am 
>    wondering:
>
>    1) why did they break up
>    2) could someone send me their discography
>    3) what are their best albums
>
>                     azrael

Celtic Frost grew our of the similar Hellhammer, once reknowned by Metal Forces
magazine as "The worlds worst band". 
Hellhammer had some tracks on comps, and one release: "Apocalyptic Raids" <4
 song 12". "Triumph Of Death" is pretty funny. Played at 45, it sounds like
really bad Sabbath. Its normally 33 1/3>

This isn't complete and all dates are approximate.

Celtic Frost:

Morbid Tales <Mini-LP.> Still my favorite. 1985
Emperors Return <12"> 1986
To Mega Therion <album> 1986
Into The Pandemonium <LP> 1987-88?
Cold Lake <LP> 1989
Vanity/Nemesis <LP> 1990-91?

"MT" is easily my fave, from "Into Crypts of Rays" to "Procreation Of The 
Wicked". Never had "Emperors Return". Just got To Mega Therion on disc,
very disappointed by the lack of packaging which the album had. Good 
LP, "Circle Of The Tyrants" is Great. "Into The Pandemonium" shows that
they were attempting to become more commercial or something. Kinda strange
album, with a lot of somewhat pointless experimentation. "Cold Lake" is
so ridiculous that I had to buy it, just to show it to my friends. Pretty
terrible attempt at a sellout, with really funny wardrobe for the band.
"Vanity/Nemesis" is supposedly a return to the "Morbid Tales" lineup, and
style, but I have never seen a copy. 

Are you sure that they have broke up. I hadn't heard, and "Vanity/Nemesis"
isn't that old. They also have a Best Of collection out, title escapes me,
but it seemed to be drawn mostly from "Cold Lake" <ick!>. 

As for why they might have broken up, Martin Ain and Tom Warrior don't get 
along. Never really have. It was reported that Ain was going to reform
Hellhammer with Reed St. Mark, but St. Mark went to Mindfunk <I think>, and
Ain rejoined for "Vanity/Nemesis" with original drummer Steve Priestly.
They are pretty much gone now, however, due to the failed sellout of
"Cold Lake". 

Hope this helps.
<Everything, as always, IMHO>

					--Judex--

Some damn greatest hits album I don't know the name of.


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From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: Sepultura - Morbid Visions...Jesus? Did 'im!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:28:54 GMT

cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu writes:

>In article <INKARI.92Aug25220422@vipunen.hut.fi>, inkari@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha Inkari) writes:
>> 
>> Ok, what is the classical music piece used in Intro and Empire of the
>> Damned (from Morbid Visions). I have heard the same piece of (opera?)
>> used in many instances so it must be quite well known work. 
>> 
>> One place where it is used as soundtrack: the slaughter scene in the
>> beginning of Conan the Barbarian (?).
>> 
>> --
>> /* Juha.Inkari@hut.fi */


>Carmena Burana, by (Holst?) some german dude.  Also used in the d00rz movie, a
>historical tragedy but a  hell of a watch...

I think you mean Carl Orf.  He conducted/compiled a classical piece
called Carmina Burana (I think... don't have my CD on me), or
something similar.  The whole thing was written by a Monk long ago,
while he was in seclusion.  Such bawdy things he wrote too!  Carl Orf
found them and restored them to what you hear today.  It's an
excellent piece of classical music, but it does contain a small
fraction of really heavy opera parts that I do not care for in the
least.

Tara
-- 
Tara McDermott             "Bathe them in Death, to celebrate Life!"
tara@socrates.umd.edu                                           -GWAR
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Questions and Requests
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:43:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Samhain discography:

Initium
Unholy Passion
November-Coming-Fire
Final Descent

Sorry, I can't dredge the dates up--it might be 84-85-86-90. I do know that the
order is correct.

Of course all of the Unholy Passion tracks are included on Final Descent, so
fans are constantly urging people to *not* get Unholy Passion; however, I got
it and liked the mix much better--more raw. Of course, $40 for 5 songs you have
already is a bit steep...still, the difference is dramatic.

I'm really intrigued--you mentioned a copy of Initium with Unholy Passion
tracks on it? Can you tell this rabid fan more? Was it official? Was it
expensive?

Shaitan (on this account) has e-mailed you lyrics; if they don't come through
for some reason, let us know!

--Semhaza
All murder, all guts, all fun!
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