HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blp@cypress.com (Bruce Prickett/PROM)
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do it?
Summary: get a tandem
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:21:58 GMT

Paul Nevai (nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu) writes:

>The problem is that she cares more about her makeup than her safety. She wears no
>helmet and no gloves.

This is a big issue: you can't control your wife's actions, but you can
make it clear to her that you are really frightened for her safety.
Talk to her about it very seriously, but let her make her own mind up
to do it. You will get into trouble if you brow-beat her into doing
something that is for her own good. Bicycling magazines often have
pictures of pretty women wearing helmets, so you might try showing
her some of these.

>In addition, she would never check the tires, oil the chains, etc. These bother me too,
>though I could live with them.

I help my wife with this a lot, even though she is very capable.
Make it seem like she is being pampered, and you both  might feel good
about it.

>Another (minor) problem: her average speed is 8 mph whereas mine
>(if I am alone) is about 16 mph so that when we go together I get no workout
>at all.  It's fun but it's like sitting in an armchair.  Any advice?  Any
>suggestions?  Any comments? Take care...Paul

My wife's slow speed drove me up the wall. We actually had a real argument
about it. We finally bought a tandem, and have had a great time ever
since. If you don't have the cash for one, then you need to mentally
treat rides with your wife as something you do to spend time with
her, and get your work-out on your own.

	Have Fun (that's the point, isn't it?)
	Bruce Prickett
	blp@cypress.com
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:45:15 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <_bln-7-.akkana@netcom.com>, akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck) writes:
> 
> I'm another woman who works on her own bike (and car and motorcycle).
> But it's true that fewer women men do their own mechanical work.
> The reason?  Most women were raised with no knowledge of how things work
> and no expectation that we would take things apart and gain the same
> experience the boys were getting.  It takes a lot of effort to remedy
> this lack later in life (took me several years of bothering my more
> mechanical friends (all male) to get to where I felt comfortable).

	These days I'm not sure if growing up doing mechanics is such a 
good excuse.  I'm a guy completely disinterested in car mechanics, and
never touched such things as a child.  I also never rode a bike till I
was 20.  Yet I look forward to spending afternoons upgrading my bike,  and
often find taking the bike to a 'pro' an admission of defeat (or not having
the suitable big $ tools).   I cringe when I think of what I once paid people
to do for me.  As opposed to machines that work on a chemical or electrical 
basis,  bikes are a dream.

Jonathan.
From: reb@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ralph Bean)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: request tire pres v rolling resistance chart
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:41:50 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Awhile back, someone posted a table showing tire pressure vs rolling
resistance.

Would some kind soul please email me a copy?

thanks,
Ralph Bean
reb@hprnd.rose.hp.com
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: FAQ for new subgroups?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:20:10 GMT

Keith Whitwell writes:

< Perhaps the current FAQ should remain as is, but allow junior FAQ's to start
< from nothing in each of the new groups as each develops an actual flavour,
< as distinct from the charter statement.

Perhaps you are volunteering to be the moderator for these many files????

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wisconsin HPV Classic
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:19:02 CDT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin

Wisconsin HPV Classic
State Fair Park, West Allis (Milwaukee suburb)
September 18-19, 1992

*One-mile oval*

Four events:
24-hr time trial (starts 10 am Fri)
200-meter Flying start (11 am - 1 pm Sat)
1-hr time trial (1:30 - 2:30 pm Sat)
1/4-mile drag race (3:30 - 4:30 pm Sat)

Three classes:
Open:  anything that meets the IHPV rules, section 3.2.7 (March 89)
GT:  Fairings allowed.
     360 degree vision required, forward 270 must be direct
     rider must be able to see the ground 10 ft in front
     rider must be able to enter, stop start and exit unaided
     signaling device for stops and turns (arms allowed (-:)
     180 degree turn in an 8 meter area
Non-faired: Basically anything that would be allowed in a USCF ITT

Entries, other info:

Dennard Corp
3533 W. Lapham
Milwaukee, WI 53215
(sorry, I don't have a phone #, but I can try to get it)

Wanted by organizers:
1) Riders
2) Spectators
3) Lap counters (each 24-hr entrant must supply 2 people for 4-hour lap
counting shifts)

Wanted by *ME* (jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu)
I'm entering non-faired (essentially standard "triathlon" setup) hoping to
break 400 miles (personal best 377 miles)
1) Two lap counters to meet entry requirements
2) Crew
   HPV/bicycle experience nice, but not required
   High boredom threshold definitely required (-:

John Moulder (jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu)
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: SLX Tags Found
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:14:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Thanks for the power of Netnews, rec. bicycles.  And Special thanks to Stortek
for giving me the info I needed to obtain my tags.  I also called Palo Alto
Bicycles, where I purchased the frame and explained to them that I located a
place that will give me Columbus SLX Tags, providing I show them proof of
purchase with a receit that the frame is indeed SLX.  There is also a fee
involved of $12.88 for the seat tube tag and $4.88 for the pair of fork tags.
Matt at Palo Alto Bicycles, the General Manager told me he would not pay for
the tags, reason, because "You got such a great deal on it already, I don't
want to be out $30.00 more!"  Total for the tags comes to $17.88, which is a
drop in the bucket for both of us, but to me, it's a matter of principal!
I have nothing against Palo Alto Bicycles, I respect their sales, service
and knowledge of bicycles.  I told Matt that I will respond to rec. bicycles
on Netnews, because of the Re. I have received.  Only then did he say that
he will guarantee the frame for life and give me one years of matainance
for free. I'll have to sleep on it for a while, if I still want to do business
with them, buying parts, etc.  I may take my business down the street to
their competiors, problem is I wonder how the feel about working on a bicycle
that has Palo Alto decals on the frame?  One thing for sure, Palo Alto won't
be the only tag on there!
                                              Tom
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Schindleria Praematurus)
Subject: Open invitation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:20:00 GMT

  Hi all,

  For anybody who might be contemplating cycling here in Germany/Europe
next spring/summer/autumn please let me know and maybe we can set up some 
lodging arrangements.
  We have quite a big house in the country (most rooms now have cobwebs in
them through disuse) and we would be more than happy to put some people up
who might be passing through. I certainly wouldn't expect, nor wish, any
kind of money for this but, perhaps, some pointers on cycling, which would
help me out tremendously. (An aspiring novice at the ripe age of 35).

  Richard Brock
  Munich, Germany
  Internet: BROCKR@RFERL.ORG
From: severn@titan.ksc.nasa.gov (Dave Severn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: FAQ for new subgroups?
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:40:41 GMT
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

In article <2A9DC591.14106@orion.oac.uci.edu>, iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:
> 
> Before I go thru the work of splitting the FAQ up into separate FAQs for
> each new subgroup in rec.bicycles, I'd like to make sure that's what you
> people want.  Please indicate whether you want 1) the FAQ split up, or 2)
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                          *NOT*

My vote is to keep one FAQ for all the groups.


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From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:30:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles

In article <9209011719.AA20875@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>,
BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM wrote:
>
> Richard Mansfield writes:
>
> > ...On a new wheel
> > with new Wheelsmith spokes and nipples, I am having extreme difficulty
> > adjusting the spokes. When I turn the nipple, all I get is wind-up, the
> > spoke turns with the nipple.
>
> I can't visualize this exactly for lack of background information.  I
> assume the threads were oiled before starting and that the nipples went
> on easily until all slack was taken up.

Mr. Mansfield didn't state what material the nipples were made of. My
experience with aluminum nipples is that approximately 1 out of 15 or so
nipples exhibits a property of improperly formed threads. They start on
smoothly enough but after a few full turns they get progressively tighter.
When I first encountered this I assumed that I had laid the 'Spoke Prep' on
a little too thickly. I now believe the nipple threads were incompletely
formed.

Mr. Mansfield: are all the spokes exhibiting this exagerated wind up or
just a few? Are you using aluminum nipples? Have you oiled or Spoke Preped
the spoke threads?

  --scott
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: starkid@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Lance Sanders)
Subject: Re: Lead and commuting
Organization: EnviraForm
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:27:56 GMT
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:06:38 GMT, bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul),
in Message-ID: <1992Aug17.150638.12202@maths.tcd.ie> writes:

>Does anyone out there know what effect car fumes and other pollutants have 
>on the commuting cyclist? 


   Results from the 3RD U.S.-DUTCH OZONE SYMPOSIUM IN NIJMEGEN, THE 
NETHERLANDS:

   Ozone -the key ingredient of smog-maintains a constant level after 
peaking, rather than quickly dissipating. Ozone levels in New Jersey,  
regularly reached a high of .1 ppm and stayed at that level for more than 
eight hours; ozone creates breathing problems at doses of less than .12 
ppm. Again, in NJ, children at a summer camp exposed to an eight-hour 
average of .1 ppm ozone experienced a loss of lung power [study performed 
by the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersy]. 

   Ozone not only causes breathing problems, but also inflammation of the 
lung, a condition associated with chronic lung diseases such as fibrosis.  
   After exposing subjects to .4 ppm, EPA scientists rinsed the subject's 
lungs with a saline solution and found a significant increase in white 
blood cells associated with inflammation. 
   Similar findings were found at doses as low as .1 ppm. 

   Ozone causes more lung damage as time of exposure increases---even in 
doses well below .12 ppm.  In the same class of men who had trouble 
breathing after two hours of exercise in .15 ppm of ozone,  it was found 
that exposed to .12 ppm for 6.6 hours of exercise,  they lost as much lung 
power as if exposed to .25 ppm for two hours.  Difficulty continued even as 
doses dropped to .08 ppm. 

   Like cigarette smoking, ozone effects build over time, with common 
symptoms: reduced lung power and stiffening and inflammation of the lungs. 

   In Southern California, even athletes in top condition have trouble 
breathing while working out during a first-stage smog alert, the lowest 
alert on the scale. Dr. Henry Gong of UCLA's School of Medicine, in a study 
of the effects of air pollutants on lung function, found that ozone 
significantly burdens the lungs of elite athletes. "And these are the 
competitive athletes who go for the gold, the prize money," 

   Ozone levels are, understandably, highest during rush hour traffic 
periods. High ozone levels, and air pollution levels in general, can make 
the trachea muscles contract (causing coughing and breathing difficulties), 
and increase sensitivity to other irritants, giving the effects of asthma 
to non-asthmatics. 

   Bikers and runners should avoid tree-lined streets. Auto exhaust gets 
trapped under the leaves and raises the level of carbon monoxide.

---------
Lance "Did I really need 21 speeds??" Sanders
starkid@ddsw1.MCS.COM / GE Mail: L.Sanders6 / Vox: (312) 667-5958


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mmm@gss.com (Mitchell McLain)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Drivetrain Question
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:54:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: gss.1992Aug25.205428.867
Organization: NCD PC-Xdivision

Sorry about the less-than-specific subject, but about all I know of the
problem is that it's in my bike's drivetrain somewhere, although I
suspect it's the chain.

The problem is that sometimes when I put pressure on my peddles to
accelerate, I hear a rather loud SNAP and feel some give in the crank.
It sounds and feels like something just broke, but when I look, nothing
seems to be wrong, and everything works just fine afterwards.  It
always sounds like it's happening on the chainring.  I'm suspecting a
stiff link in the chain, but can't prove it.

Any ideas out there about what this problem might be?

If this is a FAQ, then my apologies.  Flame me privately -- but also give me
an answer.

Thanks.
-- 
Mitchell McLain         Network Computing Devices, Inc. PC-Xdivision
mmm@pcx.ncd.com         PO Box 4900
JCSL                    Beaverton, OR     97005-7161
Billy Graham, September 23-27, 1992, Civic Stadium, Portland, OR
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Subject: FORSALE:  TT bike
Reply-To: kjm@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:04:53 GMT

Miyata TT bike -- 58cm center to top

26" front wheel, 16 spokes w/loctite.  This wheel held my 170 pounds
through many miles of time trials.

Rear Araya disk  (Not the lightest disk in the world.)

Vittoria CX rear tire and CX Chronometro front, low miles.

Dura Ace -- Head Set, BB, F. & R. Derailleur, 7 sp. 12-19 fw., shifters
Campy    -- Record Crank 175mm, 42 and 53 chainrings

Brakes are mix and match.

Mavic cow horn bars with Scott clip on's

As an added bonus this bike can be stripped down and ridden on the track
for pursuit and kilo.

This bike has won a total of 9 district championship medals (4 gold, 
2 silver and 3 bronze) and a 4th in national TTT championships and 1st
place in the 1988 Vuelta de Bisbee TTT.

All this for the LOW price of $500 or best offer.  I don't race much anymore
and don't have much use for a funny bike.  

P.S. You pay shipping.
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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:33:57 GMT

Keith Erskine writes:

(after wearing out brake pads in the dirt)

> Is it possible my rims need replacement?  What's the best way to tell?

Since the rims do not wear out uniformly there should be a perceptible
wear track that is obviously different from the new rim.  This wear, if
more than 1/3 of the wall thickness would be reasonable cause for
replacement.  My experience is with rims like the Mavic MA-2 that has
convex sidewalls and radiused corners.  When worn from road riding, the
cheeks are hollow and the transition from side to ID of the rim is a
ridge where the pad did not rub.

What's more interesting is that with cantilevers only half the pad wears
off before the pad pops under.  The pivot point being where it is, has
large cosine error and causes the pad to travel off the rim.  Side pull
brakes have near zero cosine error and can wear the pad to nothing with
out ever an adjustment.  Dual pivot brakes cannot do this.  There are
functional reasons for the different brake configurations and each has
some redeeming value.  You should be aware of these to make a reasoned
compromise.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain suck - my cure
Keywords: switch to Buzz Saws
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

|> Another thing that helps eliminate chain suck is well-manicured chain ring
|> teeth. The insidious thing about chainsuck is that it contributes to
|> burring over the teeth so it's easier to suck it up next time. And so on.
|> 
|> I find that I go through middle and small chainrings at least once a year.
|> Between replacements I get good performance by occasionally dressing the
|> teeth a little with a file. You really have to pull the crank to do this
|> right, but after that's done it's a pretty simple job.

I highly recommend stainless-steel middle and inner chainrings,
such as the Onza Buzz Saws.  They are far more durable than
aluminum alloy chainrings.  I've had 24T and 34T Onza
chainrings on my mountain bike for two years now, and they show no tooth
deformation at all.  They are definitely worth the small increase
in weight (about 35g), and no maintenance is necessary.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB Opinions Sought: Mt Shasta bikes
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:47:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

I'm in the market for a new bike and am looking for a Chrome-Moly frame and
Shimano Deore XT components (as I already have a pair of wheels with XT
hubs).

One bike (and brand in general) I would particularly like to see opinions
on is the Mt Shasta Tempest.  According to the dealer, they are made by GT,
as a line to sell to non-franchised dealers.  The Tempest has XT
componentry and is priced about $NZ300 ($US180) below the nearest
competition and up to $700 ($US400) below the going rate for a Cr-Mo
XT-equipped bike.  This should not be confused with the Tempest Al, which
has an aluminium frame.  The burning question in my mind is: are the frames
OK?

I'm test riding one later this week, and would be keen to read any
horror/love stories you have about his model and Mt Shasta bikes in
general.  E-mail is probably best, but I read this group regularly.

--------------------------------------------------------
Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
Palmerston North, NZ         40*23'S 175*37'E,    GMT+12
From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do it?
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:33:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Sep2.233333.9155
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <Sep01.195612.49444@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette) writes:
>
>	
>	I can understand where your wife is coming from.  Last week, I 
>	sold a perfectly good helmet at a loss just because I thought
>	it looked dorky (BUT I'm planning to buy a new, nicer looking
>	one just as soon as I can get to the bike shop).  So maybe

I bought a "cool-looking" helmet this year, mainly because I didn't want to
wear my "dorky-looking" helmet anymore.  But I have faithfully worn the old
one since 1988.

Incidentally, I gave the old helmet to a previously helmetless, poor-student 
friend on the condition that he wears it whenever he rides.  He accepted my 
terms gladly :-)

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 16190407@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM, ericr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Eric Rentschler) writes:
>
[chain installation instructions deleted]
>Also, when using non HG chain with an HG cassette, you end up with less
>than HG quality shifting!
> 

I've found that both a Sedis SL and a Campy-Rohloff shift a HG cassette better
than an HG-70, HG-90, or HG-91 chain (I haven't tried an HG DA Chain). I've found
the Sedisport chain doesn't maintain shifting performance as well as the Rohloff,
however.


>I would recommend sticking with the HG chain.
>
>
>-Eric Rentschler

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivetrain Question
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:53:49 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.205428.867@gss.com> mmm@gss.com (Mitchell McLain) writes:
> The problem is that sometimes when I put pressure on my peddles to
> accelerate, I hear a rather loud SNAP and feel some give in the crank.
> It sounds and feels like something just broke, but when I look, nothing
> seems to be wrong, and everything works just fine afterwards.  It
> always sounds like it's happening on the chainring.  I'm suspecting a
> stiff link in the chain, but can't prove it.

Suspect, as you said, as stiff link in the chain, or more likely a worn chain  
and cluster. Does this happen mostly when the chain is on the little cog in  
back? The chain no longer meshes exactly with the cluster so hops when you put  
pressure on it. Replace them both. 

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Womens TDF, 9th and final stage
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:59:35 GMT

Thanks a bunch for the results!

Dave

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc