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From: rayhann@ee.mu.OZ.AU (rayhann chee)
Subject: Re: An Aussie's Reply
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.020533.16703@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>Take the example of Asians speaking in their own language. IMHO, speaking in
>a language not understood by someone in your company is an indication of bad
>manners. I have also been in the company of a great many Asians who use their 
>native language to criticise Aussies. Furthermore, I believe that a English 
>test is required of students being educated in Australian Universities and so
>ignorance of English is not a particularly good excuse. While I support the
>right to use one's 'native' language as the language of preference socially,
>I cannot but feel that in many instances, this 'right' has been exercised by 
>sacrificing good manners, by excluding Aussie's from conversations and by
>seeming secretive.

C'mon Edmund, the same goes for the people from Europe whose first language
is not English. In a group where everyone speaks the same language be it
Chinese, Malay, Indonesian and so forth, it is good manners to converse in
the language that is understood by all in the group. However if there are
strangers around, what does it matter? The conversation is among the group
and is not directed to the stranger and it really is not his/her business to
understand what the conversation is about. However, I believe that sometimes
Aussies in a group get excluded from a conversation especially when the person
speaking lapses into their native language by accident. It is usually 
unintentional and it is usual for a person in the group to actually translate 
what was said.

>
>As for not mixing with Aussies - That is a sad fact. I concur with other 
>netters that feelings of being homesick, need for familarity, etc, often 
>leads us to associate with fellow Asians, including people we would 
>normally not befriend back home. However, there is not reason for the 
>emotional anchors provided by these ethnic enclaves to continue for the 
>three to five years of University education. The point is not 
>the fact that Asians mix with fellow Asians, there
>is nothing wrong with that. The issue is that Asians do not tend to mix with
>fellow Aussie students and continue to segregate themselves and allow 
>themselves to be segregated.

I do not think you can generalize that way. The Aussies also have the 
responsilbilty to approach Asians. Its a two way street, both groups must
try to "reach" out to each other. Segregration occurs because one or both
of the groups refuse to welcome each other.


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Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui)
Subject: Re: An Aussie's Reply
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:31:27 GMT

kaic@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (David Chan) writes:

>rayhann@ee.mu.OZ.AU (rayhann chee) writes:
[deleted]
>>
>>I do not think you can generalize that way. The Aussies also have the 
>>responsilbilty to approach Asians. Its a two way street, both groups must
>>try to "reach" out to each other. Segregration occurs because one or both
>>of the groups refuse to welcome each other.
>>
>	Yes, it is a two way street. However (refer to my remark to Chay),
>overseas students who segregate themselves from Australians (or whites) on
>purpose are, IMO, missing out on a wealth of knowledge. 

I quite agree it is a 2 way street. However, although I'm an overseas 
students, I sometimes found it is the problem of overseas students 
behaving in an unacceptable manner. For example, in some of the lab, I 
found it is not uncommon the overseas students grouped themselves 
together if given a chance. Even worse, for some of the group, if 2 of 
the members speak the same dialect, they would even switch to their 
own dialect for discussion, leaving the 3rd (Aussie) student or even 
the demostrator in the cloud.

Besides, to be frank, all the local students have their family and
friends here. In order to, get into their world, I think the
overseas students should be taking the effort hard. While saying so, I
don't deny the importance of the role plyed by the aussie in the
process.

>	Also, Lin Can (or jlam) mentioned that the difference in culture
>is the prime reason causing (Chinese) Asian students to avoid getting to
>know Australians. I agree with his reasoning, but I can't help thinking
>that overseas students who avoid Australians because of that reason are
>leading a sheltered life. It is precisely the difference in cultures that
>led me to wanting to meet not just Australians, but people from other
>countries. There are so much you could learn! Besides, such knowledge will
>help you in dealing with different people later in life - you can't expect to
>deal with folks of the same race as you all your life.

Great! You seems to be sharing the same concept I have for
"international education". 

BTW, the world "university" stemed from the word (root?) "universal".
And, looking back to the origin of "university", can we do the same in
this 1990's and Australian context?

Humphrey Hui   (eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au)
               (HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au)

Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas
From: sleejy@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Chang Thiaw, don't you response?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:14:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.080419.27703@newsroom.utas.edu.au>,  (Juliet) writes:
> Don't you have any feeling at all, I hunger for your reply.
> 
  Nope...!  Nothing at all! ;)  What hungry?  How about hungry jacks?? ;)

> Shall we meet at the library. How do we recognise each others?

  Linrary seems fine to me! ;)
 
> Yes, I'll wear a red rose and a black skirt. Well you shall wear a white 
> singlet with a hat.

  Me??  A white singlet and a hat this time of the year??  You want me to 
freeze my balls off right? ;)
 
> HOpe to see you on this coming Saturday at 2pm at the Morris entrance.
> 
> Don't let me down.

  No I won't... be there or be square! B;-)

Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui)
Subject: Re: Australian Universities failed
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:02:18 GMT

ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan) writes:

>u926009@postoffice.utas.edu.au (C-Loh) writes:

>>	# stuff deleted 
>>
>>Prof Ian Falconer, the deputy vice-chancellor of the University of Adelaide,
>>however, emphasize that the post-graduate courses in Australia take longer and
>>show the guaruantee of quality education.

What kind of logic is that the longer the courses, the better the
quality? While I must admit the longer you work on the same topic, the
more familiar you are in the field. But, is it all that for "EDUCATION"?

We have had a lot of discussion on the quality of education in the
country. However, I think what one hopes for the "quality" of education
really depends very much on one's expectation. Thus, such claim of
quality education doesn't make much sense unless we have a common ground 
on the objective of "internation education", or in this context, 
"post-graduate training as an international student".

>Damned right, courses in Australia take longer time to complete; in
>particular Engineering. In my first year, back in 1988, we have 
>introductory courses to
>all major engineering fields (incl materials, chemical, civil, mechanical
>& electrical). No complains, even though I almost flunk the first 3. I
>think they are meant to create engineers who are kind of an "all-rounder".
>But then we had lots of rubbish like organic, inorganic & physical
>chemistry ---> a waste of time ( including 3 hrs lab each week). In 2nd yr
>even though we streamed into Elect. Eng, we still have electives for a bit of 
>Mech eng, a bit of Chem Eng, a bit of that ... I'm not sure if other Uni in
>Aus have the same system.

Luckily (or unluckily), you've finished up your Elect degree. If you
argue this way, why hadn't we started studying Computer Science or
engineering in the early secondary? Then, we would have  "saved" much
more time. I think the border line is that we've got to have a
sufficient base of knowledge before we can proceed to the details.
For example, biology and elect. eng. are quite different subjects. But,
as I learnt more, there are many interdiscipline problem between these 2
fields. Examples of researcher working in this interdiscipline area are
numerous.

Humphre Hui   (eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au)
              (HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au)

Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui)
Subject: Re: Australian Universities failed
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:06:57 GMT

ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan) writes:
[deleted]
>Oops! You are going way too far. Why don't you say that Standard One
>(primary school) materials should have been covered in kindergarden, and
>Form One materials in Standard Six ? 
At least one place on earth is doing this, I think, S********. Agree! In
fact, this falls back to the question that what "education" is at
different stages of development.

>	Yes, we need to have sufficient base of knowledge first. That's
>what the secondary education is meant for (ie, pre-U education). In Uni,
>we could then branch to the desired field and concentrate on it. 
Not quite agree. While one can concentrate on one narrow field (say
electonics), I don't think it is appropiate for one to stop learning
the "basics" of some potentially related fields.

>>Also, since computers are becoming (or have become) such an integral part of  
>>our society nowadays, computer science (at least at the introductory level) 
>>or programming could be introduced in high school even. This will save many
>>first year students the grief of having to pick up those languages and the
>>basic knowledge needed to help master the finer points of computer science.
>	Good point. I think they are already having such things in some high
>schools.
Frankly, I studied computer when I was in my high school. The reason 
is simply that you don't need to be a computer expert to know the basics.
It is becoming a part of a life. 

>	Common guys, I'm not sayin' that we shouldn't study this, shouldn't
>study that... All I want to say is, instead of studying a bit of everything
>one should concentrate on one field and its related areas; despite the core
>subjects, one should have electives on ones interest.
From the outset, I didn't say the students shouldn't have the right to
choose. However, wouldn't it be better if the students know something
outside their fields? At this juncture, I'd like to point out that schools
like Imperial College(UK), Standford(US) require their students to do
(a) HUMANITY subject(s) at certain stage of their studies. I think, this
help the students look at their engineering problem in some other
perspectives.

Humphrey Hui  (eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au)
              (HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au)
From: s904440@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Nick [Cavie])
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Re: All Quiet On The Western Front?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:25:49 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

and.....
	Man who paint dunny, not necessarily shit-house painter.

Nick [Cavie]
s904440@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
-- 
Nick [Cavie]
s904440@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
From: gyoung@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Re:AMWAY AGAIN
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:49:40 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Sory i haven't got e-mail, but i put the IMHO in as some people there lapped it
up, and i felt the gap between me and them seemed very large, so put the IMHO
in as i felt it appropriate. I mean if you want to go for that sort of thing 
fine.
From: u9264442@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew William Easton)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Re: AMWAY AGAIN
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:07:24 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

I had to post a reply in support of Amway, although I personally have nothing
to do with them (my best friend does). There were a number of innacurate 
connotations in the original posting. The most important is that Amway is 
made to appear the same as pyramid selling. The important (but not the only)
difference is that Amway allows you to return any goods for refund if you are
not totally (and they mean totally) satisfied. The other major difference is
that you don't have to buy the goods before you can sell them (you do need to
buy a starter kit which contains catalogues etc. - costs about $60). The 
advantages that you were told about (bonuses, holidays etc.) are real. Amway
can only offer all of this because they are a HUGE company in many countries.

I haven't the time or inclination to continue on this subject, so maybe an 
Amway person could go into detail (and maybe on another newsgroup - this is
meant to be aus.JOKES, after all).

The Bearded One..... 

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From: chester@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Craig Abbott)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Re: CHICKEN
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:21:44 GMT
Organization: University of Western Australia

act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:

>chester@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Craig Abbott) writes:

>>not so loud :^>

>NOT ALLOWED .-)

That'd be right, all those people at canberra trying to train you to
talk with big mouths.


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Chester\________             To see the C:
aka Craig Abbott\__________    C code, C code everywhere,
chester@tartarus.uwa.edu.au\   No wonder my brain's on the blink!
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: chester@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Craig Abbott)
Subject: Re: CHICKEN
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:18:02 GMT


not so loud :^>
From: Paul.Wherry@f303.n670.z3.fidonet.org (Paul Wherry)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: CHICKEN
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 03:54:00 +1000

  Q:     WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD ?

  A:     BECAUSE THERE WAS A BASKETBALL GAME
         ON AND THE REF. WAS BLOWING FOWLS.

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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Jokes DIR/REGabout
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:50:20 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Ok,  here we go...Aussie jokes shouldn't just come form Oz,  but be about
them...

Q: How long does it take an Aussie to have a shit?
A: Nine months!

(I know I'll regret posting this,  esp when you see where I'm mailing from...

Jonathan.
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: CHICKEN
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:28:46 GMT

chester@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Craig Abbott) writes:

>not so loud :^>

NOT ALLOWED .-)

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       Eye t'ought Eye taw a putty tat.
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)
From: azyweck@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Anthony Zyweck)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: A US election joke.
Summary: A joke about the current US election.
Keywords: Clinton, US, election
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:16:55 GMT
Reply-To: azyweck@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au
Followup-To: aus.jokes
Distribution: aus
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Favourite-Ski-Resort: Copper Mtn, CO.

A US Election joke from a friend who recently arrived in the US.





Hilary Clinton shaved her pussy.
When Bill came home that night, Hilary spread her legs and said,
"Read my lips, no more Bush."


-- 

Tony.
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: andrewh@metro (Andrew Hunt)
Subject: Re: another faux pas...
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 22:39:10 GMT

Or another mix up with the Aussie dialect...

A Chinese lady who had been here for a while went to
a butcher to buy some stuff to cook for a friend and 
asked for "6 chook tits".

Yes, this really happened!

Andrew
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (  ***THE WIZZARD***)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes,aus.tv
Subject: Re: bill and ted
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:32:46 GMT
Followup-To: aus.jokes
Distribution: melb
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <1992Jul20.035154.15378@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:
>ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
>> Channel 10 I think is showing Bill and Ted's excellent adventure tonight
>> (monday night), "In the tradition of Wayne's World".
>> 
>> Give me a break.
>> 
>
>I saw this and thought it was a little suspect. But, after thinking about
>it, I thought I should try find out how long Wayne's World has been on
>Saturday Night Live in the states.
>
>It may be possible that Bill & Ted is, in fact, in the tradition of WW
>but I don't know. On the TV ad, I thought I heard the word 'NOT' used at
>the end of a sentence which comes from Saturday Night Live & WW.
>

I seem to recall that WW and Bill and Ted came out at around the same
time.......The language used is not 'created' anyway (exaggerated
perhaps) and comes from the standard comic practise of sending up easily
identifiable groups in society.  I doubt if anyone really ripped anyone
off.......

<stuff deleted>

Jared Quinert
i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Re: Jokes DIR/REGabout
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:47:49 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide

In article <1992Jul22.125020.9535@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> Ok,  here we go...Aussie jokes shouldn't just come form Oz,  but be about
> them...
> 
> Q: How long does it take an Aussie to have a shit?
> A: Nine months!
> 
Guess that surprises our near neighbours, with the gestation period of sheep
being so much less and all

regs

Rob
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: This Man...
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:05:46 GMT

beam@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:

>this man is a eunuch so we can't show you his...
>
>grandchildren.
>
>(lifted from d.a.a.s capital)

What about?

Q: Whats a unique job?
A: Harem quard!!

oe@csc.canberra.edu.au        This is now a philosophical, non provocative
Look Once...         .-)      signature.
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)
From: beam@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Re: This Man...
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:18:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul24.035119.27362@cam.comps:-148593069:peg:993800052:000:97
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!beam    Jul 27 17:18:00 1992


this man is a eunuch so we can't show you his...

grandchildren.

(lifted from d.a.a.s capital)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: 10758755@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANTONY MAKIN)
Subject: me and myself (ignore this)
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:33:14 GMT

hello zork!
From: David.Mutimer@f332.n632.z3.fidonet.org (David Mutimer)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Olympic S.I.L.T.S. (Sports I'd Like To See)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:19:00 +1000

Hello John!

20 Jul 92, John Dodson writes to (crosspost 2) All:

 JD> And what about the Sex Olympics, this has been sadly left out in the

Yeah, I'd be a natural... Once every four years ;-)

David

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From: voros@physics.monash.edu.au (Joe Voros)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: Heavy Boots
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:51:36 +1000
Organization: Physics Department, Monash University, Australia.

Well, Brad Templeton didn't want it, so you're gonna get it ! :)

This is a true story.

Not long ago in sci.physics and elsewhere, a discussion was taking place
about Heavy Boots.  A philosophy professor had apparently told his class
that there is no gravity on the Moon, because it is so far away from the
Earth (!)  A physics student taking his class had said this was not
right, whereupon the professor became defensive and even abusive.  The
student then asked why the astronauts had not floated away, then, if
there were no gravity.  The professor replied that it was because they
were wearing Heavy Boots.

Naturally, this assumed legendary status! I was tutoring a couple of
Engineer classes in Physics for the University when this started to do
the rounds of the students.

Anyway, they were arguing about this, and decided they'd ask me what the
situation was.  I talked about gravity and how all matter/energy
gravitates, etc.  I had to also explain that, contrary to what some of
them thought, gravity acts even when there is no air (!!); that the Moon
has gravity despite having no atmosphere.  This took some convincing(!),
but I clinched it with the experiment during one Apollo mission with the
hammer and feather -- *they* weren't wearing Heavy Boots, and yet still
fell.

I then proceeded to discuss the nature of scientific theories, testing
hypotheses, keeping an open mind but remaining sceptical, the usual
stuff.  I tend to get very animated when I talk Physics, and raise my
voice, gesticulate, pace, and generally carry on.  After some 20 minutes
of this talk about Science (TM) and Scientific Method (TM), I finished
up with something like "So that is how Science is done.  Formulate
theories, test them and believe them only when and how far they predict
experimental results. ... Now, any questions?"

One girl up the back raises her hand, "Yes, I have one.  You got very
worked up over this -- are you a Scorpio?"

Oi veh!

joe

ps Of course I'm not a Scorpio!!  I have a very balanced approach to
these things -- I'm a *Libra*.

-- 
Joe Voros
Department of Physics, Monash University, Clayton, VIC, 3168, Australia.

Quantum Mechanics is God's way of telling you to mind your P_i's and Q_j's.
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
From: pfreed@rp.CSIRO.AU ()
Subject: Re: Heavy Boots
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:36:56 GMT

I've got a similar story, from when I was
tutoring maths to first year engineers.
A problem that arose was for the students to
prove, using a continuity theorem the
hypothesis that at any time, there must be
at least 2 points on the earth's equator
that have exactly the same temperature.
One response I got proved as follows :
There must be 2 points that are equidistant from the
sun and hence must have equal temperature.

sigh. In a few years time he could be
designing the bridge you drive to work over.

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From: Avatar@f358.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Avatar)
Newsgroups: aus.jokes
Subject: what can i call These things ?
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 11:34:00 +1000

 WM>     One student says to another, "Pass the dictionary."  And
 WM>     the other student exclaims, "What am I, a penguin ?"

 WM> Apart from being nonsequitars, do these constructs have any sort of
 WM> "name of their own" ?  And who can supply more, please ?

Why did the orange roll up the pyramid?





Because there was a chair in the way.

Share and enjoy,
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