From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Voyager(TM) light and sound device
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.224448.6463@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <8261.119@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes in part:
>|> Call the Voyager OR Megabrain company. 
>Hey Voyager!  Hey Megabrain!  Hmm.  They're not answering.  Maybe
>I'm missing some key information.  Maybe if you emailed me some
>info I'd have a better chance of finding things out.  Of course,
>if they published the findings in a real journal, I could find it
>for myself.  (I realize that advertising literature is always 100%
>factual.)
For you I will put out the numbers when I find them in the
near future. Aren't you the luckiest?!?! ;^)
>
>|> They have the research
>|> available for viewing.  I recommend Megabrain as they are a well
>|> established company and have more info at their fingertips.
>|> What I viewed was some glossy paperwork that showed an
>|> ultrasound(???) image of the brain before, during, and after a
>|> session with the Voyager. The image of the brain was color
>|> computer-enhanced to show which areas of the brain were active
>|> and inactive.....check it out for yourself.
>What in the word does ultra-sound have to do with EEG?  You said
>these things enhance alpha, delta, and theta production, which,
>so far as I know, could not be detected by ultrasound.  And
>what is the point of the images of the brain?  (Other than to
>pretend to have some scientific backing for their claims.)
How would you know if you haven't read it?!?!?! This
isn't skepticism....this is more towards the ignorance side of
the meter. I am only a technical writer...NOT a scientist.
You will have to see the info for yourself....perhaps it was a
cat scan....I'm not sure at this point anymore because I dont
care anymore. I've owned it for a year and am satisfied wityh
its performance.
>
>|> BUT...regardless what you people think in this group.....this
>|> stuff works very well to at least calm and relax you to the
>|> point of complete and sound sleep. You want to find out if you
>|> win....you have to place the bet...or get off the gambling
>|> table. Get the analogy?
>LOTS of things help people get calm.  In particular, lots of PLACEBOS
>help people get calm.  This is well known and not even exciting
>news.  But these companies specifically claim that this thing works by
>changing your EEG, and you were endorsing these claims.  I asked 
>whether it actually DOES anything to your EEG, and I still don't
>know.
I never said it changes EEGs. I said or meant to say that it
actually synchronizes the output of both brain hemispheres.
The only claim that I endorse is that it does help one to
relax... If you're on this net then you
MUST be making the money it takes to test your skepticism. I'm
only a tech writer and I can afford to support a family of 3, 2
cars, exhorbitant rent IMHO, all the rest AND buy the VOyager to
find out for myself.
>
>I NEVER said it didn't "work" for you, but I strongly doubt that
>it works for the reasons claimed.  Does it matter?  It depends on how
>picky you are about the importance of telling the truth.
It WILL work for EVERYONE. How it will work is the question.
Studies HAVE shown that it can induce a seizure in
epileptics...so now is THIS a placebo effect? You're crazy! Buy
it and find out for yourself...this conversation is a bore.
>
>Personally, I try to find out what the game is, what the odds are, 
>whether it is honest, and so on.
I am EXTREMELY picky on being honest. I have no reason to lie to
you or anyone else and further I dont give a rat's ass what
anyone thinks of my opinions! I speak the truth as I know it to
be. This does not preclude the possiblity that I have been lied
to effectively or that I am deluding myself....but personally I
dont think this is the case.

This is the type of thing where if you want to find out..YOU have
to experience it.. This is honest. I do not sell them...I have no
connection except as a consumer.....this stuff if for no other
reason....works via some form of self-hypnotic effect....try it
and find out! Megabrain is in Sausalito....there are Voyager
reps in the bay area. Personally the Megbrain is much more
effective giving you infinite control of the sound and light
generator....the ability to adjust frequency sweeps yourself
rather than punch in a preset program...BUT it IS $600 and I
couldn't afford that gambling table....so I tried the Voyager
and am happy with it.

I am sure that I have a long file on the Megabrain
company....today I will go looking and post it for all here.

Bottom line here is: if you are REALLY curious..THEN YOU have to
try it for yourself and see.....don't take anyone's word for
something like this neither do not debunk what you dont know
for sure to be true or false!

Len
DISCLAIMER: My opinions...not my employer's.
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