From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Separateness and Earth Changes (was Re: What's your SIQ?)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:54:05 GMT
Organization: Scientific Research Lab, Ford Motor Company
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Keywords: earth changes, some strong predictions
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Kalki Das wrote:
: Steve wrote:
:> ....  Step outside your fantasy pundit world for a few moments
:> and realize that your "stuff" is representing 1) the path of yoga, esp Bhakti
:> ISKON, and thereby Srila Prabhupad and through him, Lord Krishna.  Take a
:> moment to note your outright proselytization (preaching) that is so
:> terrifically reminiscient of the various Christian approaches to preaching.
:> 
:> Wake up and Smell the Maya, dude!
:> 
:
:What are you talking about?
:What "tarnished vision that most people already carry about ISKCON"?
:What "fantasy pundit world"?
:Is something wrong with "outright proselytization"?
:

Sigh.  I guess you're too emeshed in it to see, and too ungrounded to be
able to see what you are doing.  Forgive me for asking you to do a reality
check.  

Perhaps you don't know the word pundit, also sometimes spelled pandit.
A pundit is a person (more commonly older, Indian (east)) who spends his
professional time speaking on the scriptures.  Usually, though not necessarily,
he's not a priest, and doesn't perform ritual for others.  he just talks.
And talks.  And talks.  And emptyminded people sit and listen and marvel 
at his beautiful voice and perhaps get some wisdom from the scriptures.
Most indicative of a pundit, that I have found in my years spent within
the Hindu community, as well as my trip to India several years back, is that
they don't listen to anyone's dogma but their own, and cling to scriptural
words rather than their own spiritual vision.

So, Kalki, you stand upon a sandalwood soapbox, vomiting an ego-tarnished
spiritual lunch all over the rest of us.  I for one am getting nauseous of
the whole thing.

It really blows my mind that people can apply powerful spiritual practices
such as chanting, singing, dancing, and worship, and still receive no
inner guidance... or worse yet the kind of illusory guidance that says it
is appropriate to come stumbling into an open-minded (am i?) spiritual community
and start unloading personal beliefs as if we'd been forming a line... like
that odd Dr. Seuss character that came into a peaceful town and set up his
factory that killed all the trees.

To perhaps help you here... imagine yourself at a personal audience with
Srila Prabhupada.  You are at his (lotus) feet.  You ask him, "Is it right
to test people's "spiritual IQ?" and then grade them on it?  WOuld you
do it, Gurudev?  Even though many people Love God dearly in this newsgroup
that I write on, do you think I should tell them in a loud manner of
how much better and higher "our" beliefs are?"   What, in all truthfulness
do you think would be his reply?  Sometimes, based on some of his writing,
I would guess he might actually support you.  But from what my friend
told me of his attitudes, he was actually quite against prosylatization.
Its a shame that's what ISKCON is known for in most people's minds.

When I was holding fast to my path of Yoga, and Guru Bhakti (devotion to
a teacher) I would often ask myself, "Would He/She do this?"  and I would
refrain if I could not in my heart say YES.  It moved me a long quickly, as
I aligned with his mastery by this method.  I wonder what question, if any,
you ask youself before you post to this group.

As to the tarnished image of ISKCON, ask the average person how much they
like some ungrounded, spaced out youth dressed in orange shoving heavy
books and flowers into their hands at airports and such.  As them how they
feel about one of their main leaders being indicted on first degree murder
charges.  Ask people if they know anyone who's gotten involved with ISKCON
and ask them what they thought of their friend's changes after involvement
(if they didn't disappear tojoin the group).  

Perhaps I've got an inside line that most poeple don't have, so maybe my
views are more tarnished.... but I've heard nothing but stories of strife
and difficulty concerning the New Vrindaban community in West Virginia.
Most of the problems stem because everyone has given away their power, and
few understand that Devotion is NOT Emotion, and that a devotional life does
not mean you have to adopt every trapping of a foreign culture, and that
you CAN have TWO feet planted firmly on this Earth and be enraptured with God.

It seems to me, Kalki, you are living in a fantasy world... one perhaps more
reminiscient of ISKCON's earlier days.  You'd best wake up and realize that
organized religions of any sort are now facing all their power karma and 
people are starting to wake up to the dark influences that various Humans 
have brought to devotional paths here on earth.  Get into your body please
and take a look at what's happening around you, for surely it is a mirror
of what is happening inside you.  And if its not resolved this lifetime,
then you'll come back again as another Follower until you get it.  Jesus,
Krishna, Hitler, MOhammad... fanatacism raises its ugly face in many
traditions.  I am sure you've known more than a few in your lives.

Why am I giving this so much energy?  I guess its because I've walked a few
miles in those sandals you wear now, and I know that much of mankind still
insists on wearing them... and that time is running out.  The days of Denial
are coming to a close, and putting God in personality on a cloud with a face
and ignoring our own Godforce are not going to resolve spiritual crisis on
Earth.  The path of Separation is an ancient path here.  There's a lot of joy
in it, religion depends upon it as its basis. But it's not going
to be supported on a planet who's Spiritual Destiny will be manifesting
itself here in the next 20 years.  There are other places/planets
which will be provided for people who still wish to continue the journey
believing themselves to be so separate from the GodForce.  Souls that still
wish to maintain their separation will be moved to the place where they
need to be.

It is my vision and the vision of many others that this planet's destiny is
one of Unity and powerful realization that WE ARE THE GOD WE SEEK. OBviously
not our personalities, but on ever-expanding layers of consciousness.  The
Earth already knows Herself to be One with the Mother of All things, and it is
now our, God's time, to birth ourselves into alignment with the Higher
Nature we are, as we all begin to play our special tunes and realize that
Harmony is there.  Because we have Free Will, we are each allowed to choose
the beliefs that we have.... God honors those choices.  But God, according to
what I "hear", is no longer permitting the overriding of the Mother's
destiny here... those that are not in alignment with Her and the Greather
Plan will be moved elsewhere so that She and We may evolve according to
the Cosmic Calendar.

Although it sounds somewhat threatening.... it is not meant to be... it is
with unspeakable Love that we have been allowed this much freedom on this
planet and it is with that much Love that this alignment will be made.
Too many people/spirits want it [THe Change] now, so the tides have turned, and those
that have perpetuated de-evolutionary practices need to continue their
journey elsewhere.... be prepared for large groups of people to begin leaving
the planet in the next five to ten years (actually its already begun).

Now there's some eye-raising commentary!  Am I crazy?  A loon?
Let's wait and see.

Steve
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