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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:17:37 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Eugene N. Miya (eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov) wrote:
> I note that we should have an FAQ panel devoted to this previously discussed
> topic.  

 Hmm...not sure how this would fit into the FAQ. There doesn't seem to be
 any clear cut "question/answer" kinda thing happening here. 

 My rules:

      skiing: no helmet           skydiving: helmet
     driving: no helmet         windsurfing: helmet
      flying: no helmet                bike: helmet
                                 motorcycle: helmet
 

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sshostek@sshostek.mentorg.com (Steve Shostek)
Subject: Alpine Touring (randonee) ski advice
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:46:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: steve_shostek@mentorg.com
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


I'm looking for advice about cheap substitutes for expensive
Alpine Touring (randonee) skis.

I'm looking for skis to use with AT bindings and ice climbing boots
on approaches to alpine ice & snow climbs. Since I'll most likely be 
carrying a heavy pack and wearing climbing boots instead of ski boots,
I'm not expecting to use this setup for any fine powder skiing - just
basic transportation in the mtns. And I want to get by cheap. I've 
never been on AT gear before, so I'm looking for advice. I wonder,

- If I go with some used downhill boards to save $$, what characteristics
  should I look for?
- Does anybody out there have any used AT skis that they wanna sell?


I'm planning on using Ramer MT-2000 bindings.

Reply by mail please.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mckellar@walrus.encore.com (Steve McKellar)
Subject: UTAH questions
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:50:15 GMT

I'm headed to Salt Lake City soon (2/6), and I'd appreciate some info.
I'm especially interested in Alta, Snowbird, Brighton & Solitude.

	Which of these are least likely to be crowded on a Sunday?

	Is there any area to avoid on any particular day? (I seem to recall
	someone stating that Alta was crowded with locals on Mondays.)

	Which has the best ski school for middle-to-high intermediate
	eastern (powder? what the hell's that??) skiiers?

	Can anyone recommend any vegetarian restaurants in the area?

Thanks
Steve
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: karl@bach.udel.edu (Karl Sohlberg)
Subject: Alta conditions poor
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:28:46 GMT


In: Article: 20726 of rec.skiing
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>I was hoping to dig one this past weekend in Sequoia, but work intervened.
>There are at least two layers I have recorded which I worry about, but
>the rain is another factor.  I will probably dig one either this coming
>weekend (if I don't split to Alta instead) or next week while I am skiing with
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the glaciologists).  Of course your region will vary.


BAD idea Eugene. We haven't had a good storm in two weeks. We don't need
your kind at Alta anyway. The Tanner slide path might be prime for some
fine backcountry skiing. Why don't you try that? heh heh heh.

(karl@laser.byu.edu) [NOT above address]
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:50:33 GMT

In <9301261642.AA14456@TIS.COM> stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess) writes:

>> I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
>> He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
>> barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  
>> I just wanted to get the net.opinion on this statement.  Has anyone
>> else done this and successfully recovered without surgery?

>I completely tore my ACL and partially tore my MCL 11 months ago on a NASTAR
>course.  My Orthopedist told me I could let it heal itself via scar tissue or
>I could get the knee reconstruction.  His recommendation was for the surgery
>because I am fairly young (26) and very active.  His justification for 
>recommending the surgery was that I would have too much movement within the
>knee between the femur and the tibia/fibula which would cause a great deal of
>wear to the soft meniscus cartilage.  He said if I was 15 years older or not
>very active, he would treat it with a limited range of motion brace for 8 
>weeks along with several months of physical therapy.  

>I am not sure from your post if your ACL is partially torn on completely torn.
>From what I understand about partial tears, they can heal on their own but
>rarely to 100 percent.  I guess you need to consider the severity of the tear,

I also tore my ACL and MCL 7 yrs ago, on the first time I ever went skiing.
What a friggin' lousy way to begin.  Anyway, 3 days later had my knee scoped
and put in a cast from hip to toe, and bent 10% at the knee for 9 weeks.
I went on a self-guided physical therapy deal which mostly consisted of
hitting the weight machines, esp. the ones for the legs.  I jogged a little
and swam a little, etc.  But I have quit basketball, too paranoid, the last
4 yrs.  Since the accident, I have skied a lot, black & dbl black included,
I run 45 miles a week, do marathons, etc.  Knee is doing fine now.
I am 34 yrs old now and not looking back.  GOOD LUCK TOM!!!

-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik)
Subject: Re: Skiing in Southern Sweden/Norway
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:15:33 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1993Jan21.154101.414@uts.uni-c.dk> malcolm@cm2f.uni-c.dk writes:
>Hi,
>
>I have been posted to Copenhagen by my company, and I would like 
>to do some skiing. Since Denmark doesn't have any snow I thought of
>Southern Sweden or Norway.
>
>Can anyone give me recommendations of good places for cross country or
>downhill skiing not too far from Copenhagen, which could be reached for 
>a weekend trip. 
>
>	Thanks,
>
>		Malcolm
>
	Considering the geography I'd go for the alps.

				Mattias

Xref: sparky rec.skiing:10181 rec.travel:18373
From: jjansen@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel
Subject: -->DENVER INFO NEEDED
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:51:47 GMT


 
        HELP,
 
 
        I'm going to be in Denver for 4 days in Febuary on business.
 
        I've arranged for a flight into Denver on a Friday night.
        So,  I need a $CHEAP$ Roach Motel to keep me warm for one
        night.  I'm looking for the cheapest room I can find in the
        Denver area.  I'm planning on seeing a little of the Denver
        night life so I don't want to get too far out of the city.
 
        Can any one help??
 
        Also,  I'd appreciate any suggestions on places to go on a
        Friday night in Denver.  Anything from live local bands to
        jazz clubs to social hot spots to good bug cheap eats..
 
 
        I am going to be skiing in Brekenridge on the following saturday,
        So the entertainment questions applies there too(I have a
        place to stay).
 
 
        Thanks in advance
        -Jay
        jjansen@skibum.prime.com

     """\    "Dreams are post cards to your subconsience"
     @ ~0                              Northern Exposure 
         )    Internet: jjansen@cvbnet.prime.com 
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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:10:09 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 03/16 XC equipment/Info
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowmobiling/helicopter skiing in Summit County ?????
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:35 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Colorado Heli-Ski is the Summit County heliski operator.  Call the Summit
Country 800 number for info on all this stuff.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Ski to live, live to ski                                           ISSC Boulder
From: mctmap@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: New Snow - French Alps
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:02:29 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Hi....

I've got a couple of mates living in Courchevel (3 Vallees - Savoie), and they
were expecting "bulk" snowfalls this week.  I was in Val Thorens the other
week, and the snow there was great, but once you got down below 2000m, it got
pretty cruddy, so we flagged skiing to any of the other resorts, and stayed in
Val-T (2300 - 3200m).

Have a good one

Mo

Dundee
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:18:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.041459.10890@wam.umd.edu>, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
|> I would like to change one thing in my previous post.  When I said "all skiers
|> should realize that they can never be Alberto Tomba", I should have said
|> "most skiers..."  Thought I'd clear it up before I get flamed too much <grin>.
|> 
|> -Bob
|> 

Actually if the story about Tomba hitting a lift attendent with his pole
and kicking around tables is true, I wouldn't want to be like him anyhow
even though he's a good skier :>

-Stu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Happiness
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:47:10 GMT

>	I guess my question here is, just how does one advance to different
>levels of skiing without the so-called wipe out?

It's called "Errorless learning" (Ref: Behavior Principles by Ferster and
Perrot).  The theory can work on rats, if you generalize it to skiing you
will make a mint.

You have to face it, if you are the typical computer nerd, falling is a 
part of the sport.  Falling at high speed isn't the same as falling at lower
speeds.  This gets discussed in rec.climbing as well, and there is a who
group devoted to falling called rec.martial-arts, but you should go try to
learn to fall rather than read that news group.

Gee, I wonder if I crack my ankle that past weekend.....
Maybe better go get an x-ray....  [That wasn't a wipeout BTW.]

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: pggreen@juliet.caltech.edu (Green, Peter G.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: K2
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:28 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1k1m48INN4pf@news.gac.edu>, censtad@nic.gac.edu writes...
>I just saw this movie and if you haven't had the chance to rent it...  
>please do so.  The mountains are truly a gift of God.
> 
>--
>Chris Enstad
>Gustavus Adolphus College			Are you experienced?
>St. Peter, MN 56082
> 
The movie K2 was filmed in the lowlands of Pakistan and the
mountains fo British Columbia, Canada.  (The Mt. Waddington area
I think.)  There may have been one still photo in the backgournd
of @K2 itslef.

-Peter Green
pgg@chemsys.caltech.edu

:wq
From: hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing Safety
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:38:08 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Strategies to avoid injury/permanent damage:

ski in control. be aware of those around you including those behind you,
in front of you, taking a pee in the trees, having an impromptu lunch
with their friends...
above you, to your side, stopped in the middle of the trail just over the
rise ;), buried in the snow up to their necks, lying in between bumps, and
directly over your head! 

Also watch out for "signs" of such people...like for example, poles
hanging off tree limbs, poles sticking up out of the middle of groomed trails,
10 ft. hats, fogged goggles decorating the bumps, walkmen, video cameras,
skis (white) sitting on their bases on the snow across the fall line in
such a way that they obstruct a good 12 feet of trail at the most
constricted point 
of the run..etc..etc.

do not ski above your ability or when too tired. be prepared for changing
conditions - like beautiful fluffy snow turning into hardpack or ice  as you
hit top speed where trails merge. 

be cautious when skiing a challenging run for the first time and ski with
a friend you trust to give you lots of room and be helpful if you get hurt.

ski as far away from other people as you possibly can in space and time.

of course you could also get one of those neat racing helmets...
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 14:05:59 EST
From: <DACKLEY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kazama Outback TMs

I just bought a pair of Kazama Outback TMs for this season .I believe they are
wood-core....
The snow drought in New Hampshire has kept them from getting much of a workout,
but on the few times that I've had them out they've performed very nicely in
powder on some backwoods trails.... (New Hampshire,White Mts....)
The salesman seemed to think they'dbe fine as well for Lift-served tele-sking,
but I haven't had the chance to check his judgment...Several reviews I also
 read touted them highly for most tele situations...
Unexpectedly,for what's supposed to be a single-cambered ski,they don't do
badly on the flat:they glide respectably and  and feel lighter than my Karhu
Kodiaks...
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Keywords: Help me!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:32:53 GMT

In article <%MikeW.18.0@canc.byu.edu> %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda) writes:
>tooth-paste: Somewhere I heard that this works as a fog inhibitor, but I 
>             haven't tried it yet.

Can you get see-through toothpaste?  My housemate just bought some bubble-gum
flavoured by mistake -  yucko!

Actually, toothpaste _is_ abrasive, as someone else pointed out. A thin
film of detergent will stop the fog, but I don't know how good it is
optically.  The fog won't form on the detergent.  However, I don't use it
'coz I don't wear glasses, so this is just hearsay.  Carrera ultrasight
goggles are excellent, and can also be bought in glasses versions.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus-bb.east.sun.com

In article 720@dwp.la.ca.us, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters) writes:
>In article <21743@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>Anyone notice a drop off in skiiers on the slopes? Maybe now's a good time to 
>>get up there.
>>
>>Dan
>
>Everywhere I have been this winter seems much less crowded than last year.
>Mammoth and the local resorts are way down from last year, even though
>the snowfall has been much better.  
>
>
>-- 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
>carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
>213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012


Just got back from 2 1/2 weeks at Squaw and Alpine Meadows and very few people for
the great conditions.  2 weeks ago there was between 14-20" of new snow and the longest
time I waited was 4 chairs.  This was also on a weekend.  Guess most people were scared
of the road conditions.  I love it when that happens.
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From: bbui@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (J S Bach)
Subject: what is K2 ski?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:42:48 GMT


Could some netters/skiers please tell me what the heck is K2 ski?


<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
                       _
       __             //	SKI, FLY, SAIL, SLEEP
      //__)   __  __ //_  	FLY, SKI, SAIL, SLEEP
     //____) (_(_(_ /  (__	SKI, FLY, SLEEP, SAIL
     				FLY, SKI, SLEEP, SAIL
				SLEEP, FLY, SAIL, SKI
				SLEEP, SAIL, FLY, SKI
				... ya know what I mean.

<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: Opinions on New Saloman 9.0 Equipe boots
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:44:19 GMT

rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes:

>eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) INCORRECTLY writes:

>> rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes:
>> 
>> >> I'd like to hear any opinions from people who have spent time skiing
>> >> the new Saloman 9.0 Equipe boots.  These are the new four buckle 
>> >> front entry boots.  I've heard the 9.0 Equipe Racing is definitely not 
>> >> for back seat drivers, but would like to hear any opinion on the 
>> >> standard Equipe 9.0, especially in bumps.

>> I've tried the 9.0 Equipe boot for a day. I liked it so and so. I had troubles
>> finding the right size. My main complaint tho' is the insulation! There isn't 
>> any, almost. The temps were down to -18 deg centigrade and I nearly froze my 
>> feet off. For that reason alone, I'd never by a 9.0 Eq. I've never been
>> so cold in my entire skiing career! 

>First of all:  I DID NOT WRITE THE ABOVE STATEMENTS!!  I did post a 
>followup to this fellows questions, but you removed my followup and left
>my name associated with his questions.  If you can't get the attribution
>correct, why not just remove it entirely (which is what I usually do, since
>I don't really care who said what)?

Yes, I f*cked up. Sorry about that. Richards posting arrived before the 
original posting (the perils with living across the atlantic) and I tried
to delete the stuff I wanted to answer to. At the same time I managed to 
delete the author and make it look like Richard wrote it. No offense intended.

>Now to the subject:  My Salomon Equipe 8.0 boots are very warm!
>I'm not sure what you're comparing them to, but compared to my old
>Lange's the Salomons are toasty warm.  I doubt if they are any less
>insulated than other popular boots on the market.

The 8.0's are not as thin as the 9.0's. The parts not stiffened are really thin
(which makes them comfortable). I suppose the cold won't be a problem with more
"normal" temperatures. Oh, btw,I usually use Strolz boots.

cheers
--
     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:29:53

In article <george.727646890@windslc> george@windslc.seri.gov (George Scott) writes:
>   Maybe this should be in a FAQ somewhere...

>  [lots of good info about beer alcohol content deleted]

>   Disclaimer: Utah USED to sell 3.2% beer. I don't know the current status.

Still does; 3.2 is sold in grocery stores.  State liquor stores sell
higher alcohol beers (anything from Samuel Smith's to Mickey's
BigMouths) along with wines and "hard" liquor.   

If alcohol content is your bottom line for enjoyment, no need to come
to Ootah to ski and party hearty.  I hear Aspen, Killington and
Mammoth are nice places for that.  If you enjoy the taste of good beer,
there are a couple of quite good brewpubs in SLC and Park City -
brewing tasty, full-bodied beer that is, of course, 3.2% alcohol.

There's an enthusiastic Zymurgy community here - I bottle my batches
of Pale Ale and Nut Brown tomorrow.  The Dopplebock is maturing but
tastes great already, and I'm almost through my batches of Spiced
Holiday Ale and Porter.

The nice thing is that you can make them as strong as you like (within
the limitations of the yeast, of course).  Plus, it's a relatively
inexpensive hobby.

I still buy cheap Pabst Blue Ribbon for that end-of-tour thrist
quencher.

Oatmeal Stout and Cranberry Wheat are up next...

| _, launce gouw * internet: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu * ooniversity of ootah 
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ski Report Euphemisms
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:48:16 -0800
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: markb@cccd.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.dis.cccd.edu

In article <1jos4aINNqh0@meaddata.meaddata.com> andyw@meaddata.com writes:
>"...Surface is granular and groomed packed granular, enough chair lifts
>in service for a fine day of skiing..."

Granular conditions are caused by a freeze/thaw cycle.  You should have
expected ice from this report, especially in the morning.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
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