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From: kasha@twolf12.ee.washington.edu (Dan B. Kasha)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: I'm here
Date: 4 Jan 1993 04:25:09 GMT
Organization: Yale Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kasha@twolf.ce.yale.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: twolf12.ee.washington.edu

Hello,
Well I am now at the University of washington, with my 8' 11" sitting in 
storage within driving distance of the gorge.  I have to add that driving
along I84 was amazing, but I saw no one in the water sailing.  Was it not
windy enough or am is the water real real cold or what?  What is the sailing
season there?  Sorry bout the dumb question, I'm just psyched to get there
and sail

Dan
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 13:12:55 PST
From: <RAIMONDI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: wind-wings sail for sale...

hi, i'm still trying to sell four wind-wings sails (full quiver only)
they are convertibles (one removable camber and half batten options)
and are the '91 ones. the conditions are excellents, the sizes are:

                     3.5 - 4.0 - 4.7 - 5.2

i'm asking for $600 or best offer... hoping to don't bother you too
much...
                                                 john

pleas e-mail at   raimondi@slacvm   or call me at 415/9217912
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: davidbri@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David Brierley)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Junior Leader Training Manual
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:07:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.1992Dec27.150753.22764
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northeastern University


     I understand that National has published a revised JLT manual;
however, I understand that it has run out of copies and is in the
process of reprinting them.  My council (Narragansett) doesn't have a
copy. Can anyone out there send me a copy?  I'd be more than happy to
pay for copying and mailing costs.  Among the changes in the program is
something called "Ethics in Action."  The latest issue of Scouting
magazine had a brief article on JLT.

Thanks, in advance.
davidbri@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:23:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1h0vrmINNon0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>In a previous article, smackinnon@mta.ca () says:
>>In article <arklein-181292133511@minos.pica.army.mil>, arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein) writes:
>>>I've heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
>>>hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?
>>>Arnold S. Klein (ARDEC) E-Mail arklein@pica.army.mil
>>>>	I though it was against the law to make a noose.
>As far as I know, there is nothing illegal, nor is it against OFFICIAL BSA 
>rules to make or teach how to make nooses.  HOWEVER, no Scouter I know will
>teach the noose, nor let the boys make them.  They are not Knots used for
>any legitimate scouting purpose.

Maybe we should set up alt.folklore.scouting :-)

The list of allegedly banned games and activities starts with bulldogs and
goes on forever...  P.O.R. mentions none.

Anyhow, you're wrong. There *is* a legitimate use for hangmans' noose
in line heaving; just pull the loop closed and it is a particularly
good line weight, of variable size and for some reason, when you mention
noose the boys remember how to make the thing much better than they do
many other knots. 'sfunny that... :-)

Cheers,
Greg
--
Greg Harewood
NMR Physics, UKC.
From: mfd@aber.ac.uk (Margaret Frances Disbury)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:35:28 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <2114@raven.ukc.ac.uk> gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg) writes:
>In article <1h0vrmINNon0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>>In a previous article, smackinnon@mta.ca () says:
>>>In article <arklein-181292133511@minos.pica.army.mil>, arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein) writes:
>>>>I've heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
>>>>hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?
>>>>Arnold S. Klein (ARDEC) E-Mail arklein@pica.army.mil
>>>>>	I though it was against the law to make a noose.
>>As far as I know, there is nothing illegal, nor is it against OFFICIAL BSA 
>>rules to make or teach how to make nooses.  HOWEVER, no Scouter I know will
>>teach the noose, nor let the boys make them.  They are not Knots used for
>>any legitimate scouting purpose.
>

>Anyhow, you're wrong. There *is* a legitimate use for hangmans' noose
>in line heaving; just pull the loop closed and it is a particularly
>good line weight, of variable size and for some reason, when you mention
>noose the boys remember how to make the thing much better than they do
>many other knots. 'sfunny that... :-)
>
>Cheers,
>Greg

Also, if you've no runners on your tent guy lines, which is not uncommon
when you're hiring large patrol tents from commercial places, (OK, I know
this shows my age) if you make them with just 3 (maybe 4) turns, they're 
called Swiss runners and mean that you can put the thing up after all.

Fran


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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: dave@ulysses.att.com (Dave Pollak)
Subject: Re: scouting mailing list?
Summary: scouting trips
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:39:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill

In article <1992Dec31.105506.26371@bernina.ethz.ch>, macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener) writes:
> lucien@watson.ibm.com (Lucien Van Elsen) writes:
> >I've heard there's a mailing list for Scouting-related discussions, but I
> >didn't find any reference to it in the list of listserv lists, and I
> >wasn't able to find a FAQ for this group.  If there is such a list, can
> >anyone send me the information necessary to subscribe to it?  Thanks!
> 
> Send an e-mail to listserv@tcubvm.bitnet containing the following line
> as message body:
> 	SUBSCRIBE SCOUTS-L "Lucien Van Elsen"
> 
> 
> -- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
>    Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland
>    m.h.c. Troop 14, San Francisco            


I am a webelos scout and I was wondering if anyone had ideas for pack 
trips in central New Jersey.

-Ari Pollak, Pack 250, East Brunswick, New Jersey

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: sabeard@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Beard)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Advancement Tracking Sftw.
Keywords:  advancement software
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:20:31 GMT

Try Troopmaster software.  It is for msdos and does a great job of 
laying out dates and awards for the whole troop, and it makes nice reports
for the troop.  look for an add in Scouting Mag for leaders.


******************************************************************
Scott Beard               Eagle class 91       Alpha Phi Omega    
sabeard@sage.cc.purdue.edu                     AFROTC
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From: donm@hplsla.hp.com (Don Mathiesen)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:36:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.scouting

Here is another verse.

Have you ever heard a windbag, a windbag a wingbag.
Have you ever heard a windbag. You'll here one right now.
They go this way and that way. This way and that way.
Have you ever heard a windbag. You'll here one right now.

Don Mathiesen
ASM, Troop 422, Woodinville WA.
From: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Best Wishes!
Date: 1 Jan 93 12:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

To: macman@bernina.ethz.ch

Hi Danny

Haven't left a message for you in a while. Did you have a good Xmas and
New Years? We had a real cold one here. We've been having weather well
into the -30's (Brrr.) I hope it's been warmer in Zurich?

Best wishes for '93

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Yours In Scouting

Bob Kenyon, Trainer III                FREDDY'S PLACE BBS
Edmonton Regional Council              (403)456-4241
Edmonton, AB. Canada

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


 * SLMR 2.1a * Proofread very carefully, to see you any words out.
From: mfd@aber.ac.uk (Margaret Frances Disbury)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Webelos - Summer Camp
Summary: Avoid August
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:30:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Dec14.125358.24296@hsr.no> o-vinje@hsr.no (Odd E. Vinje) writes:

>We are planning to go late in June, do anyone know when the english 
>summerholiday starts ?
>
>Regards, Odd E. Vinje

You're safe up to the end of the second full week in July.  After that, the
schools start breaking up for the hols (date varies with the county).
AVOID AUGUST LIKE THE PLAGUE !!  Things get back to normal by the beginning
of September when the weather usually improves.  This is because there is 
nothing more infuriating than spending the last days of your hols indoors, 
while the minute you can't take time off, the sun comes out.

Fran Disbury
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:29:19 GMT


(I hope Girl Scout articles aren't out of line in rec.scouting...I've only
seen Boy Scout stuff since I've started reading)

We always sang:

Announcements, announcements, announcements.
When you're up you're up,
and when you're down you're down,
and when you're only halfway up
you're neither up nor down.
Announcements, announcements, announcements.

We stood up on 'up', sat down on 'down', and stood half-way up on 'halfway up'.

Susan Collicott   Computer Services   NOAA PMEL    Seattle, Washington
susan@noaapmel.gov
"My opinions are all my own and are not expressive of my employer's thoughts."
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,news.answers
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 27 Dec 1992 00:51:31 CST
From: MATT HUNSAKER <U61474@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Scouts w/ Submarine?

This may seem to be a strange post, but I'm trying to follow-up on a story that
 was E-mailed to me last week.  I recieved a  note from a fellow who claims
that a group of scouts out in Portland, OR have bought an Ex-soviet sub. I'm an
 Eagle Scout here in Illinois, and I have a two man research sub I bought
during my first year of Graduate school, and the guy who E-mailed me thought
that I might be able to help this group  of scouts with their project.  If
 anyone know of a Scouter in Portland, named Greg Rekart  or of a company that
is called Laketronics, I would appreciate a phone/fax #.  I'm pretty busy with
school, but I would be interested in helping-out with this project if I can be
of assistance.  Thanks in advance.

-Matt

.
MATT HUNSAKER   ~~~~~~~~~___100       ..            __  |__
DIVING RESEARCH GROUP        ___200  >->O      . .__L L_|L L__
HOME OF THE SPORTSMAN 300 MINISUB___300FT   . .[+(____________)
E-MAIL:U61474@UICVM   (815)399-1615                _________/
STUDENT, U OF IL COLLEGE OF MEDICINE
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kiravuo@hut.fi (Timo Kiravuo)
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Reply-To: kiravuo@hila.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Computing Center
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:12:37

In article <1h0vrmINNon0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>As far as I know, there is nothing illegal, nor is it against OFFICIAL BSA 
>rules to make or teach how to make nooses.  HOWEVER, no Scouter I know will
>teach the noose, nor let the boys make them.  They are not Knots used for
>any legitimate scouting purpose.

My patrol leader taught me how to make a hangman's noose, I
taught it later to my own scouts. And i don't see anything wrong
in it. If you are going to hang yourself or somebody else, any
kind of knot that forms a loop can be used. But the hangman's
noose is exciting and something the kids want to learn, so why
not show them how it is done. It may not have very much use in
its' basic form. However last summer I designed a variation of
it to use to close a sea bag, so that we could have one piece of
rope to serve both for closing and carrying the bag without
needing any additional parts.

There is only one thing I am really worried about when teaching
knots. The improper use of square knot. Every scout book I have
seen says that the square knot is used for "joining two ropes of
equal thickness". And this is bunk. The square knot has a
tendency to unravel, if the knot is disturbed in some way. In
practice this means that if you join two lines with a square knot
and use that as a fastening line for your boat, you may
experience difficulties in finding your boat the next morning. 

Another name for the square knot is reef knot, which tells us
much more about the proper use of the knot. It is very well
suited to tying sails, packages and pundles. Then the knot is
under constant tension and one side of the knot presses against
the sail or what ever and it will not open by itself.
--
Timo Kiravuo, kiravuo@hut.fi
Helsinki University of Technology, Computer Center, Finland
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: cronin@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Fester the Penguin)
Subject: Re: Hangman's Noose
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:16:31 GMT

In article <92362.002815U61474@uicvm.uic.edu> MATT HUNSAKER <U61474@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I'm pleased to see that rec.scouting is serving scouting again. The last time I
>read, it was overwhelmed with articles from people who disagreed with the
>policies of B.S.A.  Nice to see scout stuff again.

But still a legitimate topic of discussion..
 
>About the hangman's noose, I learned how to tie it back when I was a scout, by
>reading it out of a book.  Scouts can find it there too.  A knot is a knot.
>I disagree with the "don't teach this not, they will go out and hang them self"
>post.  I'f this were the case, we would ban axes, knives, and fires because of
>the potential for misuse.(ie. if you teach them to build fires, they MIGHT
>start a forest fire.) If you refuse to teach the hangman's noose, I'll bet
>that some scout will find it in a book and show every scout they know.

Yep - that's how I learned to tie it. Someone mentioned that there is no
legitimate Scouting use for the knot - not true. I regularly use a hangman's
noose to provide weight to the end of a rope so I can throw the rope over
pipes/rafters in theatres.. much easier and safer than trying to tie a brick/
chunk of wood/rock/c-wrench/Buick to the end of the rope for weight.

>Teach scouts ALL the knots you can, because they may find a use for it  on down
> the road.

Yep.

Tom C.

-- 
Thomas Cronin               | "Extinction is not something to comtenplate;
cronin@ecn.purdue.edu       |  rather, it is something to rebel against."
fester@sonata.cc.purdue.edu |  from _The_Fate_of_the_Earth_ by J. Schell
tcronin@nyx.cs.du.edu       | "Trinitrotoluene is an educational toy" - me
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter)
Subject: Favorite Skits
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:11:36 EST

Having worked on summer camp staff the past three years (adn probably will agai
n thisyear), I know there are lots of skits out there, but for some reason ther
e na never seem to be enough good ones.  I'm writing this in hopes that people
will repl with their favorite skit and help build each other's personal reporto
ire of skits.  Whenever you go to a different geographic region, you tend to ge
t some different skits - by asking on the this forum, hopefully everyone can le
arn a few that they've never seen or forgotten.  I'm looking forward to
reading all your favorite skits.
                                -Brad Porter
ASM Troop 61 - Hiawatha Council - Skaneateles, New York
Brotherhood member Nischa Nitis Lodge 410
Eagle Scout '92
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jgpaillo@ens-lyon.fr (Jean-Gerard Pailloncy)
Subject: Camp in France
Reply-To: jgpaillo@ens-lyon.fr
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:08:52 GMT

I am french and I am a french scout in the Federation of the Europeen Scouting.
If somebody search an adress camp in France or in Europe, I can for France find some adresses, and for Europe I can ask some friends.

Good New Year and Xmas Holidays
Geepie (FRANCE) jgpaillo@ens-lyon.fr


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Ideas for awareness (was hangmans' noose)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 00:53:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <BzoMxp.MM4@umassd.edu> pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>In article <BzMIyF.HxH@news.iastate.edu>, wjturner@iastate.edu (William J Turner) writes:
(lots about knots deleted.)
>
>Related to all this talk of knots, how many of you out there can tie both right-
>and left-handed??? Just a curiousity... I've found it helps if you have to teach
>a lefty knots, particularly things like the bowline and sheet bend.

I can, but that's mainly because I'm fairly ambedextrious anyway (try sign
language to increase facility with both hands.  While you still tend towards
one hand, you will definately increase your use of the other non-dominant
hand--just an aside).

If you want to learn how to strenghten your non-dominant hand, try some
simple exercises that aren't all that simple for most people:
   try switching eating hands, ie. knife and fork are reversed.
   try typing one-handed, using the non-dominant hand.
   loosely bind your dominant hand and try utilizing the non-dominant
one in every-day tasks.  (DOn't be foolish, if you're doing something
potentially dangerous, ie. using an axe, don't do this!)
   as you experiment more and more with the non-dominant hand, you'll
actually find that things become easier, at least in my experience.  

If anyone tries this, please let me know ideas.  For a class once we had to 
do the last (part of a culture-barrier destruction lessonm) and it was
interesting to watch my classmates trying to write.  That is fairly 
difficult to do, and while I can write with my left hand, it is very
sloppy because I don't do it often enough.

scouting relevance?  This can be something fun to do at a meeting to 
teach scouts about trying to learn different methods of doing things
if their usual method is not available.  it helps in thinking up 
alternative methodology.  Another exercise to do this and to help  
in teaching how people in wheelchairs are at a distinct disadvatnage in
public buildings is to borrow wheelchairs from a local agency (red cross,
a hospital, united way even, often have a few wheelchairs they'll loan 
you for a few days)  and have the scouts "confined" to them for a few
hours or days.  This is a powerful lesson.  try it yourself first.  
What would happen if you had an accident and were confined even 
temporarily?  How would you handle what now seems so simple.  
Also, you can do fun things like wheelchair races and balancing 
contests to throw in some fun! :->)

Boy, I sure got off-thread...
merry, merry!
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*  Dominick V. Zurlo              *    "If the world's an      *
*  WWW                            *    oyster, why am I        *
*  Eagle Scout '87                *    allergic to Mollusks?"  *
*  blacklisted '88                *                            *
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting,news.answers
From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau)
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Organization: Not Much
	<1992Dec19.131243.1566@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:45:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.131243.1566@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> smackinnon@mta.ca writes:
   In article <arklein-181292133511@minos.pica.army.mil>, arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein) writes:
   >I,ve heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
   >hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?


	   I though it was against the law to make a noose.

It probably is, but I figured out how to tie a hangman's noose while whipping
the ends of rope. I showed this to my Scoutmaster, and he discouraged me from
showing the younger Scouts how to tie it... Could make for a VERY unfortunate
accident...


--
jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu-<All opinions are mine, not UMassLowell's>-Joe Vigneau
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: roge0028@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:21:45 GMT

In article <1h0vrmINNon0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>
>In a previous article, smackinnon@mta.ca () says:
>
>>In article <arklein-181292133511@minos.pica.army.mil>, arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein) writes:
>>>I,ve heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
>>>hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?
>>>
>>>Arnold S. Klein at Armament Reasearch, Development and Engineering Center
>>>(ARDEC) E-Mail arklein@pica.army.mil


Whether it is against the law or not I ask you -- How intelligent
is it to teach a knot like this to 11 and 12 year olds.  I have 
seen many stupid pranks pulled by scouts while working at summer
camp and I certainly know that a few of them get out of hand.
Of course, what's the difference between this knot and a good
slipknot which also binds.  i.e. if it happens(I think I know
what everyone is thinking) It can happen without the use of 
a hangman's noose.  


--Note on teaching--just because you can teach it--Should You??

--Christopher Rogers
--Eagle Scout '88
--hello out there to Northern Lights and Montana Councils!!!!



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