HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
The fonts I am talking about are home made fonts used by an emacs TeX pretty
printer. The first half (0-127) consits in standard ascii encoding, and the
second half (128-255) consist in mathematical and other miscellaneous sym-
bols.

I had to do that because I couldn't find a way to magage (i.e. display,
motion, edition...) in an emacs buffer some kind of atomic data coded on
several characters. What a dream! I thus had to code everything (maximum 256
atoms) on a single char and derive new fonts from ISO-8859 and symbolic
fonts.

We already have had enough astute hypotheses in emacs (7bits display, 7bits
keymaps) not to settle a new one. I do believe in homogeneity. Lucid emacs
also apparently. BTW, you have done a very good job with lemacs. The only
things that keep confusing me are the overlapping attributes of buffers and
screens. In particular, I miss a buffer specific face.

	-- Renaud

PS: I was porting this TeX viewer from Epoch to Lucid emacs when I came
across this problem. I hope to release it soon though, maybe with a little
patch file to xdisp.c for people wanting to use it with Lucid (otherwise,
it costs me all the downcase greek letters :-).
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy)
Subject: Bug report  on narrow-to-region
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:51:46 GMT

Synopsis:  narrow-to-region does not work as in v18.

To repeat: 
(1) fire up lemacs -q (for a fresh, clean boot.
(2) type in 20 letters (e.g. the digits twice)
(3) run

  M-ESC ( n a r r o w - t o - r e g i o n SPC 4 spc 8 ) RET

(e.g. the command (narrow-to-region 4 8))

(4) observe that the digits "3456" are visible.

(5) run 

   M-x w i d RET

(6) observe that the digits "34567890..." are visible,
but NOT "012".

(7) hit C-l, and it fixes tiself.

I verified that ths behaviour wasn't happening
in v18.57.

--chet--

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:28:56 -0400
From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com
Subject: Re: 8bits display
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
I have no idea which fonts Renaud is using, but the encoding used by
the HP48SX calculator uses ISO latin 1 (or something very close to it)
for character positions 040-0177 and 0240-0377, and fills the space
between 0200 and 0237 with calculator-specific symbols and greek
latters not in Latin-1.

Now, I haven't constructed such a font for X, but if I had one, it
would be very useful for editing 48SX programs..

					- Bill
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:24:21 +0200
From: h.b.furuseth%usit.uio.no@lucid.com
Subject: Re: 8bits display
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
Subject: Re: Keybindings of comint.el
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:59:58 GMT
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.


>>>>> "Guido" == Guido Bosch <bosch%loria.fr@lucid.com> writes:

    Guido> Somebody seems to have hacked the keybindings of the comint
    Guido> mode.

	Guido> (define-key comint-mode-map "\en" 'comint-next-similar-input)

Is there a more recent version of comint that has this function
defined?  My 2.03 only has comint-previous-similar-input.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:51:10 EDT
From: rls26@cas.org
Subject: Backups of linked files within lemacs
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
There appears to have been a change in the method that lemacs uses to 
identify the directory for a backup file when the file in a buffer is a 
symbolic link.  In the past (epoch and emacs 18) the backup files for
a symbolic link were placed in the directory containing the symbolic link.
It appears that lemacs attempts to place those backups into the directory
where the actual file resides. We are running with the following settings
for the variables that control backups:

	(setq backup-by-copying t)
	(setq make-backup-files t)

In many cases this is change is desirable, but in others, it will be a
headache.  The situation that we have is that authority files reside in
a protected directory where users can not create or delete files.
Write permission is granted to a user for specific files they have
checked out and a symbolic link to the authority file is created in a
user directory.  In the past, backup files where created in the users
directory, where they could be created.  With lemacs, the backup is
attempted into the protected directory so we do not get a file specific
backup (other than teh generic fallback ~/%backup%~).

I think that one of two changes should be made:

	1)  Add a new variable to control the selection of the directory
	    when creating backups of linked files, or

	2)  If the directory containing the actual file is not writable,
            then attempt to create the backup in the directory in which the
	    link resides.

Any thought?

Richard Scott
Chemical Abstracts Service
rscott@cas.org
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: hb@woody.csd.uu.se (Henrik B}kman  CSD)
Subject: Problem with lemacs 19.2 on HPUX 8.07
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:01:41 GMT


I have problems with makeing lemacs 19.2 on my HP 9000/730 with HPUX
8.07. The dokumentation says that you should use a ANSI-compiler so
I am using cc with '-Aa -D_HPUX_SOURCE'.

With that I get compiler-errors in several files, most of the times
because om constructions which I believe isn't ANSI-compatible.
(old "prototypes", implicitly uses of 'int' in variable-definitions etc).

The strange thing is that there seems to be quite a lot of people out
there using lemacs on HP computers so what do I do wrong???


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Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: s082@flue.ii.uib.no (Ketil Malde)
Subject: Re: 8bits display
Reply-To: s082@brems.ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:01:20

In article <9208132025.AA09415@hp.com> sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com writes:

   Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:28:56 -0400
   From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com

   I have no idea which fonts Renaud is using, but the encoding used by
   the HP48SX calculator uses ISO latin 1 (or something very close to it)
   for character positions 040-0177 and 0240-0377, and fills the space
   between 0200 and 0237 with calculator-specific symbols and greek
   latters not in Latin-1.

And, of course, the reason that the characteres between 0177 and 240
is concidered unprintables, is that if you happen to strip the eight
bit (as many anglo-american nationalist programs tend to do, and for
no apparent reason) you end up with control characters that may prove
hazardous to you and your computer....just for the record.

--

     Ketil Malde,                In real life: s082@ii.uib.no
From: matthieu@laas.fr (Matthieu Herrb)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
Subject: bug in mail-strip-quoted-names
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:05:14 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: LAAS-CNRS France


the lucid emacs version of mail-strip-quoted-names uses
lisp-mode-syntax-table to parse nested comments. But this syntax table
is nil unless you've called lisp-mode.

As I don't use it, I have an error everytime Emacs parses a mail
adress with nested parenthesis. 

A simple fix could be to use emacs-lisp-mode-syntax-table which is (I think)
allways defined (for lisp-interaction).

					Matthieu
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:13:16 PDT
X-Windows: Warn your friends about it.
From: jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: Backups of linked files within lemacs
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
In message <9208171551.AA10909@cas.org> rls26@cas.org wrote:
>
> I think that one of two changes should be made:
> 
> 	1)  Add a new variable to control the selection of the directory
> 	    when creating backups of linked files, or

I think this is a good idea; probably it should be called something like
backup-using-truenames to be consistent with backup-by-copying and
find-file-use-truenames.  This shouldn't be hard to implement; I encourage
someone to contribute the code!

	-- Jamie
From: tfb@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Tim Bradshaw)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
Subject: Re: Cannot read Lisp manual info
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:21:05 GMT
Organization: Not

>>>>> On 21 Aug 92 21:11:41 GMT, L58@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Dieter Menszner) said:

> In Lucid-Emacs 19.2 I cannot read the info nodes for the Lisp manual
>  
> after the first 3 or 4 entries. Error code is:
>  
>   Search failed: "<backslash>n^_"          ( this is a 3270 terminal)
>  
> Other info items like the Emacs manual work. The system is
> Apollo DomainOS SR 10.3.
>  
Unless there are several 19.2 distributions lying around, probably
you'll find that most of the files of the elisp info are missing.  I
just fetched the standard elisp documentation & installed it in place
of the supplied one.

--tim
Tim Bradshaw: tim.bradshaw@ed.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy)
Subject: Inserting into extents
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:55:53 GMT

I would like to use extents to mark regions of editable text.
However, when I insert characters before the first char of
the extent, they end up outside.  Is there a way to change this?

I read in the NEWS that this was the default behaviour, but if there is
some simple way to change this, and have the other possibility,
it would be nice.

thanks,
--chet--





Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help,gnu.emacs.help
In message <1992Aug14.034455.20843@colorado.edu> Dirk Grunwald wrote:
>
> DECstation 5000/120 Ultrix 4.2a, config m-pmax.h, s-bsd-4-3.h
> I use the 'amd' automounter.
> 
> I have the following problems. I defined my lisp directory path to be
> /srl/Lucid19/lisp. If I start lemacs anywhere other than in the src
> directory, it doesn't find needed files.

By "defined" I assume you mean by editing paths.h.  That doesn't really work
any more; you have to either add all subdirectories to the load path, or you
have to make it so that emacs can find them itself.  The problem is that
".../lisp/prim/" (and others) aren't making it on to load-path.

	-- Jamie
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: lystad@m2.dseg.ti.com (Garr Lystad)
Subject: Re: Mark funniness
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Reply-To: Garr Lystad <lystad@m2.dseg.ti.com>
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:45:49 GMT

In article <GRUNWALD.92Aug14120513@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu> grunwald@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald) writes:


>   I am used to using these functions to position on the display...

>   (global-set-key "\M-'" 'move-to-window-line)
>   (global-set-key "\M-," '(lambda() (interactive) (move-to-window-line 0)))
>   (global-set-key "\M-." '(lambda() (interactive) (move-to-window-line -1)))

>   A normal editing sequence for me is to mark something (\C-spc), move there
>   (possibly using the move-to-window-line keys above) and then e.g, kill it.

>   I can't do that in Lucid-19.2 -- it appears the mark gets cleared.
>   Any reason why? Anyone have a plausible fix?

Actually the mark is ok, as you can check by doing C-x C-x to swap
point and mark.  The problem is that the region is not being
displayed.  It appears, from an examination of forward-char and
move-to-window-line that the problem is that move-to-window-line lacks
the line 
  zmacs_region_stays = 1;
This may be an oversight.  I'm too new at Lucid Emacs (3 days) to know. 

If you want to make your commands work by modifying them you can add a
call to zmacs-activate-region at the end of each function.  For example:

   (global-set-key "\M-," 
	           '(lambda ()
                       (interactive)
                       (move-to-window-line 0) ;; or 1 or nil
                       (zmacs-activate-region) ))

 Hope this helps. 
  --  Garr

P.S.  M-. and M-, already have commands on them that I find very
useful.  They let me answer your question.  gsl.
From: mcclen@advtech.uswest.com ( Chris McClenaghan)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Subject: Info-directory-list
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:58:00 GMT
Organization: US WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, Colorado

How is the Info-directory-list intended to be use?

Can I distribute the info files in various directories, what sort
of dir file is required in these other locations, in the default
area what sort of dir changes are required?

--
Chris McClenaghan    mcclen@advtech.uswest.com
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:44:32 PDT
X-Windows: It could be worse, but it'll take time.
From: jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: "Buttons" in menubar?
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Yes, put an "item" (a vector of three elements) in the toplevel menubar list
instead of a "menu" (a list.)  look at lisp/energize/energize-menus.el for
an example of this.
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: jennings@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Tim Jennings)
Subject: X-terminal key bindings
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:55:46 GMT

I am trying to set the key bindings for an X-terminal.  I'm not exactly an expert yet in
emacs so if anybody has done this I would love to see the pertinent code for it. I need to
set keys such as Home/End/PgUp/PgDn....

Vital stats
HP X-terminal
Lucid-Emacs
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----------------------
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Motorola ASIC Division			--Popeye
email: jennings@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: grunwald@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald)
Subject: Mark funniness
Reply-To: grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: alt
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:05:13


I am used to using these functions to position on the display...

(global-set-key "\M-'" 'move-to-window-line)
(global-set-key "\M-," '(lambda() (interactive) (move-to-window-line 0)))
(global-set-key "\M-." '(lambda() (interactive) (move-to-window-line -1)))

A normal editing sequence for me is to mark something (\C-spc), move there
(possibly using the move-to-window-line keys above) and then e.g, kill it.

I can't do that in Lucid-19.2 -- it appears the mark gets cleared.
Any reason why? Anyone have a plausible fix?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:23:38 EST
From: c23mts@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Mike Scheidler)
Subject: Re: Could someone send an example of a nested menu (submenu)?
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
On Wed Aug 12 16:24:16 1992 bob_weiner@pts.mot.com writes:
>
>The doc I've seen says one can nest menus but does not show
>the precise syntax.  The 'add-menu-item' code doc does not help either.
>A basic example would get me going.
>

Here's a small example of a nested menu definition that I have been using.
I know this works with version 19.1--I hope things are still the same in 19.2.

(add-menu-item '("Search"  "String search") "Forward"  'search-forward t)
(add-menu-item '("Search"  "String search") "Backward" 'search-backward t)
(add-menu-item '("Search"  "Regexp search") "Forward"  're-search-forward t)
(add-menu-item '("Search"  "Regexp search") "Backward" 're-search-backward t)
(add-menu-item '("Search") "Replace string"            'replace-string t)
(add-menu-item '("Search") "Replace regexp"            'replace-regexp t)

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From: rkou@corvus.ucs (Roger H. Kou)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Subject: what's lemacs?
Date: 15 Aug 1992 08:56:46 -0700
Organization: USC Computing Services, Los Angeles
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: corvus.usc.edu


I mean someone have to ask this somewhere, right? :-)

thanks,

Roger...
From: ssurhode@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk (Paul Rhodes)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Subject: Texinfo files
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:08:44 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Reading University, England
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

I recently tried to perform 'texinfo-format-buffer' on tar.texinfo
file from the GNU tar ditribultion and it crashed and came back with
the following error in the minibuffer....

Cannot open load file: oshell

Can anyone suggest a fix for this ??


thanks in advance,

 Paul
From: mcclen@advtech.uswest.com ( Chris McClenaghan)
Subject: describe function
Organization: US WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, Colorado
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:11:14 GMT

I've got something set in a funny state. If I start lemacs with
-q, describe function works just fine. With my .emacs mods I get
the following error message:

Invalid function: (macro lambda (x) "Emacs 18 doesn't have these." nil)

I suspect that my byte compile options may be part of the
problem. I am running with the defaults. I want to support both
lemacs as well as emacs 18 (tty access from home). If the problem
is byte compile options, what should I use to preserve
compatibility?

--
Chris McClenaghan    mcclen@advtech.uswest.com

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:49:17 PDT
X-Windows: It could happen to you.
From: jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: Error in init file: error: "Lisp nesting exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth"
	<GRUNWALD.92Aug16100930@goober.cs.colorado.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
In message <5523.714023091@JUNIN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU> Todd Kaufmann wrote:
>
> You will either see a function calling itself recursively, or all different
> functions.  If the latter, you might only need to increase the value of
> max-lisp-eval-depth.

If you need to increase max-lisp-eval-depth (that is, it's not actually
looping) then this probably means you're loading something interpreted
that doesn't want to be.

	-- Jamie
From: heeb%itp.ethz.ch@lucid.com (Elmar Heeb)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:08:12 +0200
Subject: Lightning Completion for Lucid Emacs
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Has anyone rewritten the lightning completion package by Andy Poulsen,
<andy@huey.jpl.nasa.gov>, to work with Lucid Emacs?  It has been
posted to comp.emacs, and it is one of these packages I got used to in
Emacs 18.  As it makes heavy use of keymaps, I didn't expect it to
work in Lucid Emacs, and it might need quite some expertise in dealing
with keyboard events to convert it.

Most likely, I won't have the time to work on it before October, and
even then it will take me a while, so I would be glad to find out that
someone has already done the conversion, or that s/he could do it
without much trouble.

Thank you for all the work on Lucid Emacs.
Regards,

Elmar Heeb


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From: jennings@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Tim Jennings)
Subject: Help mail
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Organization: SPS
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:12:56 GMT

I had the mail address for lucid and have misplaced it.  Could somebody respond 
with it?  I am having trouble splitting my screen horizontally.
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Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: grunwald@goober.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald)
Subject: man no workie
Reply-To: grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: alt
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:55:43


The version of 'man' in lemacs-19.2 doesn't seem to work very well for
me.

I don't set a MANPATH - I use the Perl version of 'man' that
interpolates the manpath from my PATH. I keep my man pages compressed
and I never have any 'cat' pages.

Man never finds anything. I'm single-stepping now to find out why, but
perhaps someone already knows the answer.

Has anyone considered doing something along the lines of the ``man in
the background'' part of the Tektronix hacks for Epoch?


Dirk Grunwald -- Univ. of Colorado at Boulder	  (grunwald@cs.colorado.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: mcclen@uswest.com ( Chris McClenaghan)
Subject: faces
Organization: US WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, Colorado
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:02:58 GMT

I cannot find anyway to set faces via lisp code, although the
News file suggests that such an interface exists. Further, the
News file suggests faces can be screen-local, what does that
mean? I'm trying to find a solution to the problem that right now
I set faces via X resources, but various packages like
gnus-lucid and mode-motion conflict amongst themselves and my own
view about what should be bold or highlight. One solution is for
these packages to be modified with variables that I could
override for their choice of bold when I want italic. Another is
perhaps buffer or screen local (?) values for bold and italic,
assuming a lisp interface for setting these.

Comments, suggestions?

--
Chris McClenaghan    mcclen@uswest.com

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:30:12 MST
From: jennings@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Tim Jennings)
Subject: X-terminal key bindings
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
x-gateway: Thu from help-lucid-emacs to alt.lucid-emacs.help; Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:05:06 EDT

I am at a loss to set the key bindings on my X-terminal. I am using an
HP X-terminal.  If you could help by sending a portion of a file I would
appreciate it.

Tim Jennings
jennings@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Subject: Yet another "DISPLAY"-problem
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:55:12 -0400
From: mthome@BBN.COM
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help