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From: mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Melissa Mcguire)
Subject: Re: '78 STAR WARS Special
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:40 EST  

In article <1992Aug19.220410.773@pro-freedom.cts.com>, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes...
>Hello!
> 
>Does anyone have a copy of the 1978 Star Wars special that was on
>television? I only got to see snips of this, and would like to get a copy
>of it.  If you have a copy, or know where I can obtain one, I would much
>appreciate it. Please e-mail me.
> 
>Dave

	Hey, I just jumped from the AMC net (yes, a soaps addict) to this 
	one that I didn't see until today.  I'd like to start being a 
	regular.  Everything is fascinsting.  And I would like a copy of 
	this special too if anyone has it.  I'm in the Cleveland area at
	NASA Lewis Research Center.
	
	Thanks.

	Melissa McGuire
	mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:06:01 GMT


In a previous article, gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) says:

>Now the $64 question:
>Does Han have the guts to fly around in his line of work with no
>escape pods?       
>

Yes, and for one simple reason:  He would NEVER, EVER, EVER abandon
the Falcon.  I don't care WHAT's wrong with her.  She'd be on fire,
and he'd stay aboard to try and save her.

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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Date: 26 Aug 1992 15:46:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <BtM3F8.1xy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>
>Now, for the controversy with the Director's Guild, read the book _Skywalking_
>for more details about what happened. Essentially, the DGA sued Lucas on
>Kershner's behalf and without consulting Kershner. Kershner didn't care where
>his name went. Lucas eventually reached a cash settlement with the DGA, and the
>DGA didn't even give any of the money to Kerhsner!

Exactly. Why do you think Lucas lives way up north in northern California?
He doesn't like Hollywood and how the film industry works. I'm waiting
for the day that Lucas and Speilberg go together and make their own film
company. I'm talking big enough to say, "goodbye" to 20th FOX.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:51:21 EDT
From: <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> Jean Prior
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Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?

First of all, I am not amused to hear that my favorite SW character (shy of
Luke, of course) is being accused of being a spy.  However, in defense of
Wedge, I'll try to answer the question of his loyalties.
         1) Captain Antilles of the blockade runner...It's possible that he
could be Wedge's dad, or perhaps a close relative.  If he was a traitor, then
Wedge could be a spy...however, since I don't believe he was mentioned in the
movie (it's been soooo long since I've seen it), it gets into the problem of
canon, and I hate the problem of canon, being also a Trek follower.  Therefore,
if Lucas says that the novel SW is NOT canon, then Capt. Antilles doesn't exist
by name.
         2) How did Darth find the blockade runner?  Well if Darth's Leia's dad
then he should be able to sense her with the Force (a wee bit of retconning
from RotJ).  Or, even tho you can't find ships in hyperspace, TESB showed that
you could make a pretty damned good guess of where they'd be by checking their
movements right before the leap into hyperspace.
         3) If Wedge was a spy, don't you think that a) he would've gotten
caught in any of the movies,b) he would've had a bigger part,and c) he'd be
dead by the time of the Zahn novels and Dark Empire?


         I think the "Captain Antilles" character might have been mentioned in
SW, come to think of it.  However, I don't think Wedge's last name was ever
mentioned until RotJ.  Maybe Lucas liked the name and conveniently forgot of
the previous character. =)

                          Cheers,
                          Jean aka Chainsaw
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From: terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu
Subject: Star Wars Radio Series Available?
Organization: OSSE, Northwestern U.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:16:47 GMT

Awhile ago, NPR broadcasted a radio series version of Star Wars and The Empire
Strikes Back (perhaps they also did Return of the Jedi).  Does anyone know if
this is avaible on tape/cd?

Jim Terman

terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu

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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Super-Turtle Jimmy Elmo)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Organization: The Daily Planet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:14:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <66945@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6543a@prism.gatech.EDU (Eric F. House ) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.172128.22260@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>>I'm not a physicist, but I play one on USENET. If you blow up the
>>planet, the asteroid field, if it is sufficiently localized, will keep
>>the moon in orbit.
>>
>>I don't believe that this new asteroid field would be THAT localized.
>>
> 
> Agreed.  We are talking REALLY localized.  So much that it is indistinguishable
> from a point mass.
> 
	Nah, it only has to be spherically symmetric and entirely contained
within the orbit of the moon for the moon not to notice the difference.

>>What's the moon going to
>>do? The lack of planetary gravity isn't going to cause it to go skitting
>>off at any high speed.
>>
> 
> Actually, yes it is.  It is currently moving around Yavin at some orbital
> velocity.

	No, it's not.  It'll basically go into Yavin's orbit around the Sun;
you remember, much larger object, glows brightly?  It'll be a little more
eccentric, perhaps, and the light/dark cycle will probably change dramatically,
but it'll stay in orbit happy as a clam.
--    
"First of all, it was ego.  And secondly, I wanted to screw up the             
social-security system."--Deputy Sec'y of State Lawrence Eagleburger, whose    
three sons are all named Lawrence.                                             
  
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From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Subject: Re: My Two Cents: Jedi Storm
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:45:08 GMT

Yeah, thatsabout what I was thinking. And turning a bicycle into an X-wing, give 
that boy a medal for sheer imagination man!!!!!!!!!!!
-- 

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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is GUMBY)
Subject: Re: Dark Empire: Issue 6 Speculation
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.132520.13487@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.125814.15817@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig") writes:
>>While were on the subject of Dark Empire, would anybody care to join in an
>>argument between me and my friend here? he reckons that in DE #6, the Emperor is
>>going to bump Luke off, and leave Leia as the hope of the Jedi. Me being a
>>completely loyal and worshipful Luke Skywalker fan tends to disagree. Comments,
>>opinions and sidetaking most welcome.
>
>Your friend must remember the number one rule of semi-authorized
>spinoffs:  when you finish, everything must be just about where it
>started.  That means no killing of characters unless you bring them
>back to life somewhere along the line.  Why?  Because you have no idea
>what TPTB have in store for this wonderful character that you just
>iced.  He might be the greatest hero of all time in the next thing
>they do.  Or they might kill him of themselves.
>
>No, Luke is going to be around for a while.
>
>Joe (all above sprinkled with 1/2 cup of IMHO's and $.02 thrown in for
>     a touch of flavor)
>--
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>\_/OE |  \EISS   |  But Keptin...evweyone knows that .sigs vere inwented
>          `----  |  by a wittle old lady in Wussia?  In SIGovia, I beweive.

    I haven't read number 5 yet but if he gets killed he will probably be
    cloned as the reason for infiltrating the empire was to learn the secrets
    of the Emporer........   I'm probably speaking ignorantly but it's a
    free  =) internet.
    ^^^^
    (hahahahahah) just waiting for flames.


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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 02:48:14 GMT

In article <5090@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.144808.10514@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>>: Ahem.  Well, if he had so much experience against Jedi, then why was he 
>>: stupid enough to rocket-pack himself over to the skiff that Luke was on,
>>: only to be thrown off and into the Sarlacc?
>
>	It bothers ME that people always assume Fett is DEAD.
>

When did I say he was dead?  I was simply griping about the fact that he
was so easily thrown in to the Sarlacc.  I have NEVER assumed that Fett
is dead-- in fact, I'm one of the big proponents of the idea that he could
have easily survived.  As I've mentioned before, my pet theory is that it
wasn't really him there on the skiff that day anyway (the real Fett was on
vacation and he had some bozo filling in for him).  This, however, is not
an argument as to how he could have survived, but rather an excuse for his
sorry performance in RotJ.


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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date:  1 SEP 92 18:34:47    

In article <1992Aug29.195721.25707@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes...
>The Kenner version is not to scale. It's entirely too small. The engines
>aren't there, it's the interior -- gun turret, game table, and smuggling
>all in 1 part. It outwardly looks okay, proportioned correctly, but the
>interior is not to scale -- the figures are too big.
> 
>The little die-cast model with mini-figures had much the same problem.

NONE of Kenner's toys are to scale.  Stand the Han Solo figure next to the 
Chewbacca one, or Luke next to an X-wing fighter, and then compare these to 
scenes in the movies.  Luke needed a LADDER to get into his fighter in ANH, 
while the toy Luke could quite easily boost himself up to the toy X-wing.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: tabaer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Troy A Baer)
Subject: Re: Sith
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:20:41 GMT

In article <_=rysyb@rpi.edu> lalibr@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Ron Scott Laliberte) writes:
>  All this volcanoe talk reminds me of a 'script' that was being sold at
>fan cons about 8 years ago.  It was supposed to be part of the clone wars
>series, and there was a big battle between Anakin and Ben at a volcanic
>site... the last stage of Anakins transition to Darth Vader...
>  I think this was supposed to have been a 'script' for episode 3...
>ANyone have one of these?

I've got a copy of it.  Interesting, to say the least.  It's called "Star Wars
3:  the Fall of the Republic."  The easiest place to find it is on the
Cleveland FreeNet's SF Anthology. (E-mail me for details if you're not familar)

But it's not where the idea of Ben knocking Anakin/Vader into a lava pit
comes from.  That's in the novelization of ROTJ by James Kahn.

ROTJ, p.64 (the following is quoted without permission)

" `You should not think of that machine as your father.'  It was the teacher
speaking again.  `When I saw what had become of him, I tried to dissuade him,
to draw him back from the dark side.  We fought... your father fell into a
molten pit.  When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the
change had been been burned into him forever...' "

I don't know if the novelizations are canon (please, not THAT argument again!),
but that's the 1st reference to it I've ever seen.

	--Troy
+--------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
|Troy A. Baer        | "If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps|
|tabaer@magnus.acs.  |    she will..."                                     |
|  ohio-state.edu    | "NEVER!!!!!"                                        |
|an038@freenet-in-a. | -- Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker, _Star_Wars_VI:   |
|   cwru.edu         | 	  Return_of_the_Jedi_                              |
+--------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Note:  Most leading theologians claim this argument is a load of dingo's
	kidneys.
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date:  1 SEP 92 18:31:45    

In article <16850145F1.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>, MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart) writes...
>Darth Vader does in fact mean "Dark Father", although the two words
>are drawn from separate languages.  I can't remember which ones at the
>moment, but I'll try to find out.

In _Skywalking_ it is stated that Lucas invented this name to sound like 
the phrase "Dark Father."  To me this implies that it didn't come from any 
language.  I can post the exact quote if there's interest (and if I can 
find it...)

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Subject: Star Wars big obvious blooper!!!!
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:50:21 GMT

Has anyone else noticed that at the end of Star Wars, when Luke gets back after
blowing up the Death Star, he gets out of his X-Wing, and turns to Leia who is
running up to greet him, and shouts, rather loudly, CARRIE !!!!! Now either Leia
changed her name by deed poll, or Mark Hamill severely fluffed his lines. (but
I'll forgive him anyway if he did.)
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:18:10 GMT


In a previous article, cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) says:

> Other points (this person's message was posted in the Star Wars Fidonet
> echo if you have access to it), be they small or big:
>
> o SWRPG 2nd edition is to be released in October.
> o The sourcebook for The Last Command (final Zahn novel in this series) will
>   be released simutaniously with Zahn's novel.
> o The "official" timeline for the movies is: ANH-(2-3 years)-ESB-(2-3 weeks)-
>   ROTJ.

Gee, you know, for a guy who was 900 years old, he sure aged a
lot in 2-3 weeks...

> o WEG's new contract goes until 1996 when all three of the new movies will
>   be released, each within 6 months of each other.

I DON'T THINK SO!!!  If this happens (all three movies coming out
within 6 months of each other) I will ... I will ... I don't know,
I'll so something extremely embarrassing and/or painful in public
and/or on the net.  This is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, and casts a bit of
doubt on the rest of the information.

(Note:  The BOOK of ROTJ specifically states that the time elapsed
has been about six months.)

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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:43:14 GMT

svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:

>I don't know if anyone else has ever thought about this (you probably have,
>but what the hell it bugs me... :)), but I keep wondering about the bit in
>Star Wars where the death star is approaching the moon with the rebel base
>on it.

> 1. The death star can blow planets away
> 2. There is a planet between the death star and the moon

> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...

>The only thing I can think of that would stop the death star blowing the
>planet away and then the moon is if the weapon needs to be recharged, and
>even then, how long would this recharging take?

>If anyone has some information from books or whatever that clarifies this
>I would really appreciate it if you would let me know. 

Well, Yavinis a very large planet (a gas giant or something).  Even the
Death Star has its limits.  Those puny plantes like Alderaan were cake,
but something like Yavin?  I doubt the DS could manage it.

keith

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:43:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug28.213206.5387@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>In article <l9smbqINN3uj@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>>I doubt it VERY much that a new Star Wars film will be out in May '93.
>>I would almost bet money on it not happening for a couple of reasons:
>         ^^^^^^
>If you're ready to bet money on it, I'll bet my $10 on it happening in
>'93 (note that I'm not saying anything about any month). So, do you
>accept my bet? (I'm not willing to bet money with any others since I
>don't have too many $10s to lose if I happen to be wrong.)

Just on a hunch (no information, just speculation) I'd bet
at least $100 on the next SW coming out in '97, prolly on
the 20th aniversary of SW. That gives Lucas time to finish
another season or two of Young Indy, ILM to tidy up from Jurrasic
Park (which should be awesome!), and tool up for production over
2 years for a May 1997 release.

Just to make it clear, this doesn't even deserve the
qualification of 'rumor' let alone 'I heard from my uncle's
cousin's sister who knows someone who's grand-niece dated a
friend of a Lucasfilm Caretaker'. Just idle fantasy.

Now if I only had several hundred $$ to bet. :)

Joshua
+      "Each woman is a promise that she can't keep that appeals to           +
|  a hope you can't control." - joe theseus, Deadface: Earth Water Air Fire   |
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From: ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Trading Cards
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:13:46 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:49:35 GMT, gmah@bnr.ca (Garry Mah) said:

gmah> I have a couple of questions about the TOPPS Star
gmah> Wars/Empire/Jedi trading cards.

gmah> 1.  How many different series are there and what are the ranges
gmah> for each.  If I remember correctly there was a blue, red, and
gmah> orange Star Wars set, a red, blue and yellow Empire set.  What
gmah> else was there?

Star Wars
Set 1 Blue - 66 cards 
Set 2 Red - 66 cards
Set 3 Yellow - 66 cards 
Set 4 Green - 66 cards
Set 5 Orange - 66 cards

The Empire Strikes Back
1 Red/Silver - 132 cards
2 Blue/Silver - 132 cards
3 Green/Gold - 88 cards

Return of the Jedi
1 Red - 132 cards
2 Blue - 88 cards

gmah> 2.  How much do these cards sell for now?

About 10-15 cents a card.

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:57:37 EDT
From: Eric Leven <ESL108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: StarWars to Jedi & Episode 1

 FIRST: I don't know why you people are betting and re-betting over whether
or not Episode 1 (or 7) will be released in 1993. Its not. No way. Forget it.
The absolute earliest you will see a new Star Wars film is 1997. And THATS
being optimistic. It could be ANNOUNCED in '93, but a new film? Nope.

Second: I have "From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga." Its a bought
copy, but this documentary was origianally broadcast on public television;
so I'm assuming I could legally make copies for dedicated Star Wars fans. If
you are interested, just drop me e-mail. All I will ask in return is a tape
and postage fees (and recognition as THE renowned Star Wars expert =]

Eric Leven
esl108 @ PSUVM