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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: WDL Update (to CICA?)
From: hjh@goose.dsto.gov.au (Howard Harvey)
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:11:30 CST

jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:

>swesterback@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi (Sten Westerback, Nokia Telecommunications, FINLAND) writes:

>> [discussing the latest WDL release and asking that it be put on CICA]

>>PS. Why are these selfextracting EXE:s? Isn't everyone used to *.ZIP ?

>They *are* in ZIP format, with the self-extracting program prepended.  If
>you insist you can even process these .EXE files with PKUNZIP.

>Joe Morris

I looked on CICA and also ftp.uu.net in the vendor/microsoft directories.  I cannot
yet see the new WDL files.

Howie


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Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.setup:2502 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:5832
From: jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Where has my FONTS option gone in the DOS APPLICATIONS window????
Date: 1 Jan 1993 09:39:40 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

When runnig a DOS application under WINDOWS 3.1, clicking the top left 
corner of the window it is running in will reveal a menu like this:

RESTORE
MOVE
....etc
EDIT 
SETTINGS
FONTS

Now, I replaced the graphics display driver supplied with WINDOWS 3.1 with
one that came on a disk with my TRIDENT video card.  I did this because
WINDOWS had no 800x600 resolution drivers for 256 colors (it had only a
16 color one).  However, with the new TRIDENT driver, I now find that the
"FONTS" menu option in the the above DOS window menu no longer exists!  It has
been deleted from the options list!  This means that I can't change the 
font size in the DOS application window unless I do either:

	(i)  Re-install the old WINDOWS driver, select the new font size, 
	     then re-install my new driver, or:
        (ii) Edit the DOSAPP.INI file, typing in the font size I want.

Both these options are pretty tedious.  Does anyone know WHY the FONTS 
menu option suddenly disappeared when installing the new graphics driver?
Help with this matter is much appreciated.

-- 
		Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne, Australia.
From: pla@stekt1.oulu.fi (Pentti Lahdenper{)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: How to change a company name at Excel 4.0??
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:37:13 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland

I have heard that there is a way to unistall WfW2 company name, but
how can I change Excel 4.0 company name?
-Pentti
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Subject: How Big a Perm. Swapfile?
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:18:19 GMT

After having some hard disk problems, I rformatted my hard drive
and now am reloading evrything again!!! 

My question: SInce i installed windows on a pretty fresh drive,
it suggested a Permanent Swapfle of 16 megs!!! I said ok, but
now notice some hard drive spinning and mouse slow-down, which
i never had before when i only had a 2 meg swapfile.

My computer: 386sx 16mhz, 4 megs ram, DOs 5.0, win 3.1.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! (Email would be great too)

Gary.
Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.setup:2513 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:3641
From: tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Roger M. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Notice! OS2 will Execute Win3 programs Without having to have Win
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan3.215505.21543
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec29.232247.1327@cs.unca.edu> kepley@cs.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
>
>                             ... I know how much better a real multitasking
>OS can be that a hacked one like DOS-Windows?  I get really irritated at
>how badly Windows programs m-task. They just drag everything down to a crawl.

The only bad thing about the way Windows programs multitask is that the
task-switching is not pre-emptive.  It is cooperative.  This means that all
applications running under Windows have to be nice enough to give up the
processor every few milliseconds, or the whole system hangs.  The MacIntosh
O/S has this same limitation (and worse, since MultiFinder wasn't part of
the original O/S and had to be "tacked on").

This does NOT, however, have anything to do with the speed at which several
concurrent programs run.  In fact, cooperative multitasking usually leads
to bigger, more intuitive timeslices and less process thrashing than
preemptive multitasking does.

>Does OS/2 improve m-tasking of Windows programs?  If so...I'm sold.

Not if you're looking for speed, it doesn't!  My 16MHz 386 runs Windows apps
at a reasonable clip, but runs the OS/2 Presentation Manager at a snail's
crawl.  It takes a few seconds just to recognize that I've dragged a PM
window's caption bar and draw the grayed Drag Frame for me!  I haven't
actually installed OS/2's Seamless Windows(TM) support (not enough disk
space), but I'd bet good money it doesn't run Windows apps as fast as
straight Windows does.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that preemptive multitasking
is only necessary in a multi-user environment.

-- 
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From: cjohnson@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: How do I change the instrument sounds on my soundblaster?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 00:57:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Summary: I want to make my soundblaster sound better
Keywords: patch patches windows sound blaster

Hello world,

I have a soundblaster 1.5 and windows 3.1

The midi music isn't to bad, but I know that if I could just edit the instruments it plays I could get it sounding better.

A friend of my recently purchased the gravis ultrasound (GUS) and He can change the patches (when he gets some more), to
make the music sound better, Is there a similar thing for the SB 1.5

I know that if I want to play roland (.rol) files I need a .bnk or bankfile, And I know I need that same file when I convert
.rol files to .cmf files, so they (.cmf) must have instrument info in them, but where does windows get its intrument info?

Any help greatly appreciated

thanx in advance,

Chris.
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From: joho@pfbs.philips.se (Hans ter Horst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: EMM386 error when starting MS Windows
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:10:12 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment BCFI AB, Sweden

Hej!

It hasn't been going that well for Digital lately and that's why the
only 386 PC I could get is a very old Bell Tech (386 DX - 16 MHz).

The service people over here installed it according the rules, but
every time I try to start Windows in 386 Enhance mode, it exits with
the message:

EMM386: Unable to start Enhanced Mode Windows due to base memory back fill

I can run Windows in Standard mode, but I have not that much memory
installed (4Mb) and I'm getting tired of getting this message from the
Memory Manager claiming that Windows can't claim enough memory.
Other people with newer 386 systems experience no problems when running
Windows. The funny part is that I already lost so much time chasing this
problem, that it would have been cheaper to buy me a brand new 486/50MHz
system. But that isn't the way Digital works ....

The line in CONFIG.SYS containing EMM386 looks like this:

device = c:\windows\emm386.exe noems

Looks pretty normal, or what?

Has anybody a clue , or can anybody at least tell me what this EMM message
means?

Please reply by e-mail since I'm away during the holidays.

/Hans
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: Notice! OS2 will Execute Win3 programs Without having to have Win
From: edowdy@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:56:12 CST
 <1992Dec30.125842.14380@wes.on.ca> <1hsk3rINNbd4@neuro.usc.edu>
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

In article <1hsk3rINNbd4@neuro.usc.edu>, merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
>>    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions
>>		       about the Windows setup and installation process,
>>		       hardware compatability issues as well as general
>>		       hardware use and performance issues.
> 
>>I don't believe OS/2 (or Mac or Sun) is Windows ...
> 
> OS/2 2.1 Windows 3.1 is certainly Windows!!!  It runs Windows 3.1 programs
> and DOS programs just fine.  While I can understand there may be some small
> confusion on this point by people who have been fed on 'Win/DOS ... Win/NT'
> montras for a long time -- the plain fact of the matter is that IBM has an
> extraordinary degree of access to Microsoft Windows source code and ability
> to implement any portion or all of MS Windows fuinctionality in their OS/2
> product line.  

	Sorry but this sounds suscpiciously (sp) like os/2 2/1 advocacy group
material to me. Quit arguing about it please. If you want to tout the great
things about os/2 go to the advocacy group. If not let's get on with the 
discussion please. 



Happy New year!


Eric







c





Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: thomas@acadia.Kodak.COM (Thomas Kinsman)
Subject: HOW TO UPGRADE DOS AFTER MS-C/C++?
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Keywords: DOS SDK
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:56:17 GMT



    I recently upgraded the Windows SDK to 3.1, and  from  MS-C  6.0  to
    MS-C/C++  7.0.   On  installing  the MS-C/C++ it put up a dialog box
    showing that it knew I had DOS 4.01.

    When I wish to upgrade  to DOS 5.0, what changes do I have to  make?
    Please tell me I don't have to re-install MS-C/C++.

    Please reply to comp.os.ms-windows.setup.  Thanks in advance for any
    insights.  I can't find it in the manualS (there are oodles).

	- Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: newgrp bug (was: Is there any hope left?)
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:15:23 GMT

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>In article <1993Jan2.052714.28037@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>>[...]
>
>What did you end up replacing to get it working?

Motherboard, processor, drive controller, drive, floppy, power supply.
I guess you might say I don't like half-measures ;-)

>2. newgrp has /bin/sh hardwired in.

That's what I figured.  I guess it is now in MWC court.  Guys,
un-hardwire it!  Check the shell spec first.

t.
From: kenji@reseau.rd.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Support for hardware floating point - when?
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@rd.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Organization: Macrofield Corporation, Toyonaka-City, Osaka, Japan
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Tony Porczyk (messina@netcom.com) wrote:
: Quick question for MWC - since Coherent practically begs to be used 
: in small financial offices, are there any plans to add support for
: hardware floating point? 

On Coherent 4.0.1r65 (Bug-fix unsupported release from MWC), I see
a string "80x87." appears when I boot the kernel. So I think MWC
is surely doing something on it.

I also want to have a robust 80x87 support.

// Kenji
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: coherent FAQ
Organization: APK Public Access Unix * Cleveland, OH
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:14:56 GMT


I would like to have an old copy of the FAQ since I don't have one handy.

It seems to make sense to post it in two parts: one for the 16-bit version
and one for the 32-bit version.

I will hopefully get it out within the next few weeks...
Submissions are welcome, e-mail to sjsobol@tiny.com


Happy/Merry <Insert Favorite Holiday Here>
:)

Steve

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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coh/linux/gcc/etc
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:40:19 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Bradley  b  Kuhn (bkuhn@cs.loyola.edu) wrote:
: From what I understand of the copyleft, the first person who buy Coherent's
: port of GCC can upload to whatever ftp site (e.g. raven) and give to all
: his/her friends, etc.  If this is incorrect, someone please tell me, because
: if I am correct I plan to do this very thing if I buy a copy.  (I am
: considering switching to Linux because I want X-Windows and the GNU stuff
: now, rather than waiting....).

I'm not sure that's true.  You can still copyright the "diffs", and the
binaries are definitely copyrightable.  For example, with DJGCC (the
DOS version of GCC) the author of the port retains some rights for 
the program, and can even charge royalties if you use his
extender in a certain manner.

What is *definitely* free is the original source of GCC and you can
do your own port and send that around.  But I think MWC can protect their
port if they want to, and I'm 99% sure they can protect their binaries.

Somebody stick in their $0.02 if I'm wrong, please.

-Louis
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: I predict ...
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 21:28:07 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Distribution: comp
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

An interesting and sometimes amusing article! :-) But I doubt some of your
predictions - time will tell.

sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com writes:

> Eenie, meenie,
> 	Chili beanie,
> 		The spirits are about to speak!
> 
> For 1993, I predict:

> [....]
> The old MWC C compiler will continue to be bundled if only to make for
> good ad copy.

I think it'll be for more than ad copy. MWC were a compiler company first
remember, and the K&R compiler is likely to be considerably faster than many
of the alternatives for some time to come (and produce smaller code?)

> 8) The X Window system will be ported, but only after the above listed
> prerequisites appear.  

I doubt it. At least one Coherent user claims to be well on the way to
getting X running in some form. A first hack at MGR is going already. It may
not run across more than one machine, but now that the DDK is here I expect X
will make some progress quite soon. (Admittedly to be really effective then
the virtual memory and shared libraries are a must).

> 14) And so not to annoy the tridekaphobics, one last prediction: One
> year from now, it will be clear that Coherent will be either a big
> winner or a big blowout.  The deciding factor will not be the low
> buy-in price, nor will it be the offical MWC support, nor will it be
> the unofficial community support.  The deciding factor will simply be
> the number and magnitude of well known third party commecial
> applications.

I don't agree, I think the real answer will be somewhere in between. People
like to expect either great booms (eg MWC) or total busts (anyone selling
Real Unix, various Coherent skeptics) but reality tends towards more moderate
answers. I expect Coherent will be doing quite well, a lot bigger in overall
market than now and better equipped to take on the Big Boys, but I don't
believe it'll have eclipsed MS-DOS or Unix SVR4 in sales.

I'd be interested in what anyone at MWC would have to say to your
predictions. They can probably make rather more accurate estimates of feature
introduction schedules (although whether they do or not is another matter).

						- k
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From: foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Keywords: When will MWC learn ... ???
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:40:43 GMT
Organization: Kiteflyers Roost

rjt@softin.lonestar.org (Richard Threlkeld) writes:
>                                                        In any case, 
> the CMS drives are more popular in general.  I would guess that most
> of COH's base are converts from MS-DOS and very few have SCSI 
> controllers.  Even if they did have them, the added cost of a SCSI tape 
> drive will often dictate which tape drive to get.  

Pick me for this.  I run tons of MS-DOS stuff.  The one and only reason
I als run Coherent is that it will run with my MS-DOS system and not be a 
pig about it.   I'm a computer USER.  I USE the computer to do work.  I 
treat my system the same way I do my tools, I want to be able to quickly 
do more and better things with my time, the tools assist me. 

The world of Unix is fine, some things I can do in Unix quicker and I 
use Unix for that.  If you say that the entry to Unix is $40,000 then I
need to balance how much time I save vs the $40,000.  With Coherent I get
Unix for the cost of a cheap 286 and some disk plus $100 for the software.
So on the open market for $500 I can get Unix.  I upgrade to the latest 
version and now it costs $600, cause now I need a $200 386 mother board.

As a user, I decide to safeguard my work and back it up.  So I copy 100Mb
to 72 3.5" floppies.  I look at the time and the cost of a Jumbo drive
and go do the cost justification analysis.  So for $220 I can save about
50 hours, well worth the cost.  Now I hear that I need a SCSI board and
a SCSI driver.  Umm serious dollars. (And BTW can you say "Incompatible
standard = SCSI"  I knew you could!!! )  

I think that MCW has done a great thing.  You can be a Unix guru for the 
low low price and it's an option available to most people.  Why bag it
down with requiring SCSI hardware.

>                                                    If it was free, I 
> would choose a carosel of 5Gb Dat drives (200Gb total), but nothing is 
> really free.

Nope, not me, I'll take mountable IDE drives to do disk to disk copies and
someone named Lisa to swap them for me ;-)


Hardware is getting cheap.  I can get a 500 MB IDE drive AND controller for 
$950. (Fuji drive and $18 controller)  I can't touch that price with a 
SCSI device.  I'd rather spend my $$$ on more stuff, not some hardware that  
costs more for no apparent reason.

Thank you for allowing me to waste network bandwidth venting my spleen.


Foster Schucker  (foster@nzkites.uucp)  (1-215-458-8354 (voice))
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Floating point: printf "%g" bug?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:00:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.123913.2881@philips.oz.au> brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis) writes:
>I've come across a possible anomally in the floating point output from printf
>in Coherent 4.0. The program to demonstrate this is appended at the end. It
>looks to me like a rounding error.
>
>Here are the rusults of running the program on my system...
>
>
>38 - (.13g)38 (.14g)38
>39 - (.13g)39 (.14g)39
>40 - (.13g)40 (.14g)40
>41 - (.13g)41 (.14g)41.00000000000001
>42 - (.13g)42 (.14g)42
>43 - (.13g)43 (.14g)43
>44 - (.13g)44 (.14g)44
>45 - (.13g)45 (.14g)45
>46 - (.13g)46 (.14g)46.00000000000001
>47 - (.13g)47 (.14g)47
>48 - (.13g)48 (.14g)48.00000000000001
>49 - (.13g)49 (.14g)49
>50 - (.13g)50 (.14g)50
>51 - (.13g)51 (.14g)51.00000000000001
>52 - (.13g)52 (.14g)52
>53 - (.13g)53 (.14g)53.00000000000001
>54 - (.13g)54 (.14g)54
>55 - (.13g)55 (.14g)55
>56 - (.13g)56 (.14g)56.00000000000001
>57 - (.13g)57 (.14g)57
>58 - (.13g)58 (.14g)58.00000000000001
>59 - (.13g)59 (.14g)59
>
>The extra ...0001 is causing problems in my port of perl. I may have to replace
>printf and friends, but then again perhaps the problem is in the floating point
>itself?
>
>Any clues from anyone?

I think the problem is just that double precision floating point IEEE format 
is not significant to the number of digits you are trying to display.  If you
try this with float instead of double you should see the same thing or worse
(this used to happen a lot in FORTRAN with different machines having very 
different doubleprecision in the mainframe days - CDC Cybers have 128 bit 
doubles, and you wonder why your answer is not the same as the guy using the 
VAX).

I am sure you know, but just like there is 1/3 = .3333333..... in decimal, 
there are non-repeating numbers in binary, octal and hex too.  Numbers which 
repeat in one system, may not repeat in another.

The DECVAX format used in Coherent 286 has a few more fraction bits.

>thanks, brian...

I hope it helps!

[coding example deleted]

Harry
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