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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz in Idaho (article)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:10:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep10.142008.58781@cc.usu.edu> sl0n5@cc.usu.edu writes:
>Gritz is a member of the Christian Identity Church which teaches white
>supremacy, though he says he believes in equality for nonwhites.  He want to
>eliminate the United Nations, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Federal
>Reserve and the Department of Education.  America would become completely
>isolationist in a Gritz presidency--no foreign aid and no foreign ownership of
>American soil or companies.  Not only are foreign-owned companies taboo, but so
>would be many foreigners.  Religious pluralism would also be discouraged as
>Gritz and his followers want a "Christian America."

>They sincerely see the government as an evil threat. 
  
  It doesn't sound like they see it as a threat, the way, say libertarians
  might.  It sounds like they see it as a TOOL to impose their rules.   
  Discouraging religious pluralism, or preventing foreign workers or 
  foreign ownership would require government action, not just the lack
  of government.  

  What's scary is this: when my wife and I are away from home we often 
  leave a radio going to make our house seem "lived in".  We usually
  leave it tuned to AM talk radio, since this makes a nice racket,
  although we don't listen to it ourselves.  But many times when I've
  come home and turned it off they were talking about this guy.  So he
  seems to be attracting quite a following.   Scary!


>The day a candidate for the presidency of the United States uses the Nazi
>salute, for whatever reason, is the day to draw the line.  The large number of
>good Idahoans who support his candidacy won't want to hear it, but Gritz and
>the vast majority of his ideas must be soundly rejected.

  I would certainly hope so.   The AM station we tune to (WCAP) is 
  a local one -- so he seems to have a following outside Idaho.  


---peter





Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:20:25 GMT

In article <12252@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.214355.6235@fico.uucp>, ala@fico.uucp writes:
>
># Racism is a universally understood term referring to the degradation and
>
>Hardly universally understood in the weird sense you've picked out.

"Universally understood" meaning "understood by anyone in this
universe."  That doesn't include you.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:44595 alt.politics.clinton:4768 alt.politics.bush:4623 alt.politics.democrats.d:52
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:26:49 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@redwood26


In article <BuD8z9.AJ9.2@cs.cmu.edu>, anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
> 
> The point isn't so much that he dodged the draft.  It is that he has lied 
> about it.  Repeatedly.  

But did he say "read my lips."

Speaking of lies, Caper Weinberger's diary seems to show that Bush was
not only "in the loop" but in favor of the arms-for-hostages deal.
I wonder if Weinberger was lying when he made those note or Bush was
lying about his involvement...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Technacalities... (Was: DOD comes out of the closet)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions? Dream on... 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 17:33:35 GMT

In article <mt1yy!d@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>
>This reminds me of the one thing that really brightened up the
>first day of this term for me.  On my way to class, I walked by
>a young man wearing a T-shirt that said 
>
>I'M NOT GAY
>BUT MY BOYFRIEND IS

Now, technically, this could be correct.  The young man may have been bi-
sexual, after all.

The best one I've seen was the man wearing a button that said:

Radical Feminist Lesiban Bitch

And the t-shirt that reads...

How dare you assume I'm straight?

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Carter vs Bush (Re: SC rally)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:24:03 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.125432.11198@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <BuJrys.24t@eis.calstate.edu>, kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell) writes:
>> 
>> But let's face facts; Granny's 13% return on her Certificates of Deposit
>> didn't do a whole lot of good when inflation was running higher than that;
> 
> Let's see, interest rates at 21%, inflation at 13%, gives a real interest rate
> of 7%.  Sounds like a good deal for Granny.

	Mortgage rates were 21.5%, interest rates for CDs were 13%, inflation
was 13.5%.  Not such a good deal, eh? (1980)

>> in fact, during most of the Carter years, investing money at fixed
>> interest rates was like throwing it away, since it LOST value over any
>> arbitrary time scale.
> 
> Depends on the type of fixed interest rate.  Buying a fixed rate 30-yr bond 
> in 1979 paying 13% sounds like a heck of a deal.

	Not if Carter style inflation had kept up.  Thank god for Reagan and
Volcker.

> Granny's 4% morgage probably did not hurt her either.

	No, but her 21.5% condo mortgage from 1980 probably did.

>>                        Now, with interest rates down at 3% and inflation
>> even lower, Granny is actually EARNING money (though I'll admit that it
>> sure LOOKS worse over the short term). 
> 
> Looks like less than a 7% spread to me.

	Yeah, it's less than 100% too!

	Of course it is *positive*, something that can't be said for the Carter
years.

Brett                                                      
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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Former CEO of Silverado Indicted on Bank Fraud Charges
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:44:59 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: co
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

In article <1992Sep11.224056.29598@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.015846.2394@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
|> >How did Neil Bush fit into the scheme?
|> 
|> As I recall, he was on the Silverado board of directors. But it isn't
|> clear if he knew about, or profited from, any of the illegalities: 
|> Boards often accept the CEO's recommendations without examining them
|> too closely. Most probably, he knew (or should have known) something
|> questionable was going on, but I doubt there is enough evidence for
|> any sort of legal action...
|> 
Neil Bush, along with 5 (I think) other directors, admitted to mismanagement
of Silverado and shared in paying a large fine.  He did not admit to breaking
any laws other than his fiduciary responsibility to act in Silverado's best
interest.  Not a crook, just an incompetent.

_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:44976 ca.politics:7670
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:58:37 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

Just in case Mr. Kane "forgets" to clarify the facts about the
frozen Austrian catamite:

In article <65586@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
# ##"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
# ##to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
# ##man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
# ##there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."
# 
# Unfortunately, the whole thing is a hoax; the Austrian newspaper
# that originally reported this has admitted that the whole thing
# was made up (at least about Otzi having cum up his bum).
# 
# We recieved a faxed warning about this story at work yesterday,
# from the source that originally distributed it.
#  
# () Missionaries: Making the world safe for hypocrisy.
# ()      -- Thomas Wolfe
# -----
# [# George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
# [# It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|# furr@cup.portal.com <]


-- 
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Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: Bush is pro-child molestors?
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
	<JASON.92Sep10113741@ab20.larc.nasa.gov>
	<farenebt.716140581@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:32:11 GMT

In article <farenebt.716140581@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
-> jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) writes:
-> >	Think about this forced unpaid maturity leave.  Say you are a
-> 	
-> I believe you mean, maternity leave.

	That's funny.  Jump on me for spelling with a grammatically
incorrect sentence.

-> >small business and have one employee.  The employee says they are taking
-> >time off, and you can't do anything about it, because it's federally
-> >mandated.  While that person is off, you have to put your business on
-> >hold, find someone else, and spend the money to train them.  Say that
-> >employee comes back, works a few months, and then takes more time off.
-> >You have to do it all again.  Usually, you would just find someone more
-> >reliable, but because of the federal law, you're stuck.  This already
-> >happens in big companies that mandate leave to their small franchise
-> >stores, and it would be a big mess on a federal government level.
-> 
-> >	I haven't heard of the second one.  You'll need to provide some
-> >more information.	
-> 
-> I think I need to provide you with some info on the first one. The bill
-> mandates up to 12 weeks of UNPAID maternity leave for workers who work
-> in businesses of MORE THAN 50 EMPLOYEES. Therefore, your example doesn't
-> hold water.

	That was a simplified example.  If you had 50 employees, the
same problems would apply.  Whether the person is paid or not makes
little difference, since the company loses much more from that person
being gone than it takes it pay that person.  Family leave is a great
idea, but it needs to be decided between the employer and employee
without a heavy government hand in between.  The more restrictions on
business, the fewer of them will succeed, the less jobs there will be.
A good intentioned bill is a bad bill if it makes conditions worse.

	Rush Limbaugh made a good point about this bill today.  Bush
has vetoed this bill in the past and the Democrats know he will veto
it now.  They want him to veto it, because when he does veto it, they
will scream, "SEE! He doesn't care about family values!"  The
Democrats know there's a sucker born every minute.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Dangers of line item veto.  [Was: Yes to line item veto]
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:17:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.171425.6225@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

>
>In article <1992Sep13.045206.8124@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestia.com (Ben Delisle) writes:
>>	The danger I see with a line item veto, is the president
>>could, scrach out the word   'not' from the sentence fragment
>>'is not permitted' making it into 'is permitted' thus totaly changing
>> the meaning of a new bill.
>
>This isn't anything like the line-item veto I've heard discussed: The
>President can't _edit_ a bill, simply veto sections of it (though,
>admittidly, "section" needs to be better defined.) The idea is to
>allow the President to seperate unrelated parts of all encompassing
>bill. It isn't at all uncommon for Congress to dodge a Presidential
>veto, by sticking together totally unrelated items, one of which the
>Presdient opposes and one which he suppports. A line-item veto is
>intended to curb this abuse.

     The only line-item veto I've heard of which I could support
would be one that would allow the President veto portions of the
bill, but Congress could over-ride it with a simple majority
vote.  That does not give the President too much more power, but
forces Congress to consider things on their own, and not part
of thousand page bills.  (Although limiting Congress in the size
of their bills is also appealing.)

(By the way, it there anything in
>the Constitution to suggets the President does not, currently,
>have this power?)

     When Article I, Section 7 describes the President's veto
power, it always refers to the bill as a singular it.  "*it* shall
be sent,", "he shall return *it*, with his Objections,", "*it* shall
become a Law."  The President must return to *whole* bill, and once
he has done so the Congress must vote to over-ride the veto on the
*whole* bill for it to become law.  The Constitution never refers
to portions of the bill.  The whole bill is returned to the house
which originated it, not just those portions he objects to.

========================================================================
| David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu                                  |
|             University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education |
========================================================================
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Subject: Re: Using misinformation
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:18:58 GMT

In article <168578A2D.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>In article <27492@life.ai.mit.edu>
>elwin@ai.mit.edu (Lee Campbell) writes:

[debate deleted] 
 
>The "second shock" came when the Carter Administration instituted
>its own foolish policies. Again, I strongly recommend William
>Simons' short book for a detailed discussion of the Congressional
>response to the oil price increases and the baroque systems of
>oil classifications that resulted as congress tried to continue
>to tax domestic oil even though they had supposedly lowered the
>tax to encourage new production.
> 
>Once oil was decontrolled, prices began to fall, and fell
>continuously until gasoline had dropped to about 1/3rd of its
>"oil crisis" price.

The second shock was precipitated by a temporary stoppage of production
in Iran as the Shah was overthrown.  This cessation wasn't long enough
to produce a real shortage but people stated speculating on oil.  As
prices rose oil companies tried to build up inventories and this did
create a real shortage.  Note that in both this crisis and the previous
one production was at nearly 100% capacity so that any minor problem
could create a panic in the world oil market.

The subsequent fall of oil prices was a result of the free market in
action.  As prices rose demand fell and supply increased until finally
oil prices collapsed in 1986 when all of the increase in supply
generated by the oil shock was full on line.

If you really want to learn about the effect of oil on modern history I 
recommend the book by Daniel Yergin titled "The Prize".

Paul.
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:26:33 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep10.212950.5478@fico.uucp>, ala@fico.uucp writes:
> In article <12162@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep4.180512.18080@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
# ## Cl*yt*n is viewed as an asshole, not because of his views, but because
# ## of how he behaves on the net.  If he manages to get harassing phone calls,
# ## he's simply reaping the consequences of his general behavior, and I am neither
# ## surprised at this nor will I lose any sleep over it.  Let others like Ronzone
# #
# #Sort of like when homosexuals get beat up for not acting right.
# #I'll remember this.
# 
# Not as often as Nerds do.  Am I mistaken or do you tape you glasses back 
# together after you break them, and don't you have a supply of pocket protectors
# in you desk in case of an emergency?  (No offense meant to anyone else who

Sorry, but I have NEVER taped my classes back together, and the last time
I wore a pocket protector was in high school.

# happens to fit into this category).  Let me guess, you're a white suppremist
# wanna be with an arsenal (?SP?) of weapons that are supposed to make you feel
# like a man.  Am I right?  In my experience, it is the people who are unsure
# of their sexuality that are loudest in their condemnation.
# 
# Adryenn

Wrong again.  I subscribe the philosophy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.:
"I look forward to a day when my children will be judged by the content
of their character, and not the color of their skin."  Of course, that
makes me a white supremacist in liberal circles, since racism is
no in vogue about liberals.

I'm sure of my sexuality -- but I would prefer that adults leave
children alone about theirs.  Unfortunately, there is a loud and
vicious faction of the homosexual community that keeps asserting that
pedophilia is not child molestation, and that adults having sex
with prepubescent children isn't necessarily wrong.



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: the big lie (pc)
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:50:16 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Cassondra Pope regarding THE BIG LIE (PC) on 09-06-92:

CP>In article <adams.715381348#spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writ
CP>>
CP>>Define 'white'.  Hmm.  I could have sworn that Semites are Caucasoid.
CP>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
CP>Semite DOES NOT mean caucasoid.  Look at the word "semi"te.
CP>[...]  Semite is referring to how the Jews were half white.

Waitaminit.  Is this woman pulling our collective pedal extremities, or is 
she really this much of an ignoramus?




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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Accusations
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:23:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.183356.1384@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.223515.9796@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
>makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>|>In article <1992Aug31.184758.21468@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
>|>writes:

>|># |>Why should Arab thieves be treated differently from American thieves?
>|>
>|># Only a racist bigot like Jake would assume that if an Arab is living in a
>|>house he must have stolen it.
>|>
>|>	Only an idiot would deduce that from what Jake wrote.
>
>Jake and Makowsky both assume that all Arabs must be considered guilty of having
>stolen Jewish property until proven innocent. This is a racist attitude.

I have never said this, I have never implied this, and - for the
record - I don't believe this.  Phill, you are seeing bogeymen where
there are none.  Perhaps you need a nice hot glass of tea.

>If you want peace with you neighbours it is best to stop producing
>rationalisation for stealing his property. 

I do hope that you have forwarded this recommendation to the Iraqis.
I also hope that you haven't forgotten the enthusiasm of the
Palestineans for the Iraqi conquest, err, liberation of Kuwait.
They cheer the same approach and methods with regards to Israel. 

>I am still waiting for Jake to list the dates of his military service in Israel.
>Perhaps Makowsky could also oblige. One of the most disgusting aspects of the
>whole situation is the fact that those who are most vociferous in their demands
>to continue the occupation of the territories and confiscation of Arab property
>are also the very same people who wheedle out of military service on "religious"
>grounds. 

You used to sound so believable, Phill!  Now look at you!

First you tell us what I believe, then you infer things about me from
entirely unrelated things I had written and now you are telling the
world about my religious stance and my excuses for military exemption.
Who ever said that I had any legal requirement at all to join the
Israeli army?  

What is your excuse for not joing the Australian armed forces in
Viet-Nam?  If you are now working in Germany, have you signed up to
offer your services there?  Why hasn't Makowsky registered for the
Argentian military?  The Polish army?  The Martian Marines? 

You have jumped head-long into the wild blue yonder, far beyond logic.


-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
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