HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:36:08 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec23.140215.2562@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) writes:
>
>You don't need to think what they did (getting a degree, starting a
>business, moving to California, having a child) is a good thing
>just to want to know whether or not they did it.
>
This was an excellent response, thanks Kate! Sometimes we are so self-centered
that we forget that other people share in our lives. There are many times I
have been denied the opportunity to share in someone else's experience because
I was not given the chance to support them through a struggle, and congratulate
them on the success.
 
Life is to short and relationships to important to not recognize people's 
struggles and successes! And you're so right, we don't have to think it was
a good thing, just that they did it and they are proud of it.
-- 
Chip Graham      cgraham@convex.com         +1 214 497 4642
Convex Computer Corporation                  ------- __o   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:47:09 GMT

In article <72121@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
(George Dalton Madison) writes:

>"The Most High Ones" can just go suck rocks, as far as I'm
>concerned.

This is probably a salubrious activity, given the right rock.

>Anal-retentive computer geeks with delusions of godhood *really*
>steam my sox.

That's probably a benefit for your feet.  As you get older,
you will learn the virtues of taking good care of your
feet, you'll see. :-)

<> Looks like, if you want a half-decent pun filter you need one
<> that can do just about everything except wash glitches and cool
<> the common clod.
<> -- Arnold M Zwicky (amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Capitalization (dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:08:15 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>I refer to certain documents - the Business Requirements
>Specification is one of them - by one of:
>the name: The Business Requirements Specification
>the initials: The BRS
>the short name: The specification

>It's the last one that has me stumped.  There are no
>other specifications (so no ambiguity) but it somehow
>doesn't seem right to have the short name as lower case.

Oh, sure it does! You see this in legal docos all the time: "The Trustee
of the Estate, hereinafter referred to as 'the Trustee'..." See?
Think of it as an ellipticisation of the full name; then retaining the
capital makes sense.

>The same problem exists for Service Subsystem - "the
>subsystem" or "the Subsystem"?  Business Model - "the
>model" or "the Model"?

The Model, I say. It's part of the thing's *title*: "Business Model".

>The closest example I can find is "Take 12th Street -
>the street after 11th" which makes me think I'm doing
>the right thing.

But what that example means is "Take 12th Street--the street (out of all
the others after 11th that is immediately) after 11th." The material in
brackets is built into the semantics of the sentence by English convention;
that's how we know "the street after 11th" doesn't mean "13th" or "42d"
or "64th", which are, after all, "after 11th" too. Some languages require
different prepositions for "after" and "*immediately* after".

So it's a matter of specificity: it's gotta be *absolutely* specific to
be capitalized. Your example isn't a specific-enough usage, but I'd say
"the Model" and "the Specification" would be in your document. Those terms
are simply shortened versions of formal titles.

Think about this. What's the difference between these two sentences:

"I'm from the city."

"I'm from the City."

In the second example, don't you immediately think of one and *only* one
place that could possibly be being referred to?

And at the risk of causing an international brawl, might I ask (out of
curiosity) what that place is?

--Brent
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Anger and Regret in Aspen as Boycott Grows"
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec30.190512.11103@PacBell.COM> 
rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

Thanks, Rod, for typing these articles.  There's one
paragraph that is so outrageous that I found myself
laughing uproariously this morning when I first read
it in spite of the fact that I know I'll be livid
before long -- in about another 20 minutes, say.

> "It's a real problem," said Harley Baldwin, the owner of the
> Caribou Club, which caters to rich residents and celebrities
> so famous a single name is often enough to describe them
> (Melanie and Don, Goldie and Kurt, Cher, Chevy), "and we do
> understand the sentiment for the boycott.  Upon reflection,
> though, people who boycott Aspen must realize it's like
> attacking the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto because of the Nazis."

Does anyone happen to have the Caribou Club's address
handy?  Care to post it?

Arne
From: jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: posts we never got to the end of...
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:32:31 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Brad Shapcott (dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
 
> I can't *see* the point of feminism if it isn't to clue in the type of person
> I used to be, and then to continue educating the type of person I've become.

Perhaps the main point of feminism 
is for women, not for you?

> If anyone thinks to reply to anything less than this full post, I won't even
> think of responding....

oops....

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:01:19 GMT

In article <1h8i7iINN6je@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) quotes:

>From THE JAZZ BOOK: FROM RAGTIME TO FUSION AND BEYOND
>"There is something in music which is more than melody
> and more than harmony: music."
>				Guisseppe Verdi
 				^^^^^^^^^

Sacrilege!  Impiety! Desecration! PERFIDIA!!!



-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"But Marielle liked the _baba_. It was, she said, 'comme il faut'."
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO
Date: 1 Jan 1993 01:49:09 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> By which you mean *you've* never been fired (or beaten) for being
> gay, so you have trouble imagining that anyone else has.
> 
> Or am I misjudging you?
 
By which I mean that I've never worked at a place where I, or 
anyone I know, or heard of, got fired for being gay.  (I do 
know that it happens in some places, I dont think it is 
prevalent like some are making it sound)  I've never seen 
anyone beaten for being gay, although i've occasionally 
seen it in the news.  I don;t think gay-bashing is a majority 
sport, that is what I'm saying.  

Walter

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:47:22 GMT

In article <18217@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
...
>me. I was deeply closeted at the time, having just come from Providence R.I.
...

Does coming from Providence RI make one deeply closeted?  I have gay friends
there who are not closeted.

-Tom Albright

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: segue to segue to segue (Re: Devil CD's)
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:13:23 EST


joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
|> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
|> >Furr:
|> >>[I would love to find a danceclub DJ with the balls to mix
|> >>from Molly Hatchet to Madonna to ZZ to Animotion to RTZ, or
|> >>the like.... Chances of finding such a person/place? 0%.]
|> >Bzzzzzzt.  Shoulda visited Club Uranus more often (when it still
|> >existed).  I danced to "Back in Black" and "Whole Lotta Love" there,
|> >as well as "Fame".

|> Richard, Richard. It isn't nice to tempt people with typical French
|> elevator music. Not long away, so quickly you forget! Sitting on the
|> Boulevard des Capuchines eating your steake frites, listening to
|> "Theme from Midnight Expres" segue into "Iron Man", followed by
|> Krautwerk "Trans Europe Express" to Nena "99 Luftbaloons" and finally
|> Alice Cooper and "School's Out". Donna Summer back=to-back with the
|> Ramones. Jim Morrison/Def Leppard. Bread/Edith Piaf/Joni Mitchell/Led
|> Zeppelin/Don MacLean. Nightmarish, the only thing worse than Italian
|> Pop Radio.

Yow! Sounds wonderful!

The joy of freeform DJing is discovering all the connecting threads in
seemingly incongruent songs, and wedging them together into some coherent
amalgamation; going from Tribe Called Quest to Pharcyde to Stereo MCs to Fats
Comet to Loudspeaker to Head of David to Trouble Funk to Ronald Shannon
Jackson to June Cortez to Fugazi to Cypress Hill; stop for a breath, read off
everything, and dive back in with John Coltrane to Sun Ra to Nels Cline to
Lightning Hopkins to Albert Ayler to John Lee Hooker to Godflesh to Pain Teens
to Current 93 to Gang of Four to Death by Milkfloat to Pink Floyd to the Orb
to Woody Guthrie; and on and on.

American commercial radio is stupid, designed to appeal to the lowest common
denominator by businesspeople so fixated on the bottom line that they don't
give two shits about the music or the listeners. (Most college radio is
exactly the same.) Being a good disc jockey used to be an art form.

Dan
Xref: sparky soc.motss:53516 news.groups:24847
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.groups
Subject: Re: A Better Year Ahead
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:21:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Dec22.003202.26314@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
 
|> >In article <1992Dec19.054427.18239@macc.wisc.edu>,
|> >anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|> >>it seems to me that at a minimum we can agree that
|> >>who and what we are is not an appropriate debate.  To
|> >>that end, perhaps we should now create and ratify a
|> >>formal charter, and when people post inappropriate things
|> >>here, send it to them with some form of cease and desist
|> >>message.
 
(I said)
|> >how best shall we accomplish this, whta sort of official
|> >recognition can be codified?
 
|> Well, as far as the FAQ is concerned, Chris Thomas has been
|> very dedicated about creating, updating, and regularly
|> sending it out (most recently 12/1).  I have saved that, and
|> when I have enough time, I've thought I might look it over
|> (it has been a long, long time since I actually read it).  I
|> haven't asked, but I expect Chris would accept suggestions
|> witha view to making changes if they seemed necessary to
|> enough people.  Toward that end, perhaps others could get
|> involved and look at this with an eye to promoting the
|> interests recently expressed.

um.. thats not what I meant.
soc.motss is part of the *official* usenet newsgroup hierarchy, and as such
requires voting and lots of consensual action by sys & news admins around
the world.

What I'm asking is if there is *any* sort of official *usenet*
recognition that we can point to when and if some site 
blatantly disregards provisions of a chartered newsgroup
that has been officially voted into the soc. hierarchy?

The rest of the net is probably unaware that there have been a series of
individuals and sites over the years who use soc.motss as a 
pigeon shooting range. People who disregard our stated charter
and molest the regular readership of the group for their own amusement
or whatever.

|> Similarly, though I don't think I have any copies ready to
|> hand of the charter-like first posting, something could be
|> fashioned in the way of a charter from that, I think.  I
|> just assume that interested people will form themselves into
|> an ad hoc committee to carry out that work.

|> As there is no cabal (ignore those pod-like things under
|> your bed), nor even a ruling elite, I see no reason why
|> anyone should be waiting for a go signal; whoever wants to
|> do this stuff could start any time they want to.

Of couse, I understand this completely, I'd just like to get some feedback
from the usenet news.gods or whoever, about what kind of steps we can take
to at least have a technical high ground to stand on when invasions
or harrasment happens.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Minor Crises was(long-term relationships)
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:10:45 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec29.190012.13298@bsu-ucs> d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
>In article <29DEC92.16572481@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> I guess this means you haven't reached the "What?  You want to have sex
>> again?  I'm too tired.  Didn't we just do it last month?" phase yet.
>> 
>
>Ha! So true....
>
>I fell out of my chair laughing at this (all-too-familiar) scenario.
>
>Hopefully both parters go through this phase close to the same time.

An actual exchange between my SO and myself:

  "Is there anything you want to do tonight?"

  [sarcasticly] "We can always do something totally different - like have sex."

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Melinda's paradox
Date: 25 Dec 92 04:23:27 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Melinda Shore (shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu) wrote:
 
> As those of you who are long-time readers know, I am
> completely without humor - it gets stated here so often
> that it must be true.

But then, it's also frequently stated, hence
undoubtedly true, that all homosexuals are
liars.

So, if I asked ******* what you would say if
I asked you whether you had a sense of humor,
what would he say?  Or should I ask you what
he would say if I asked him whether he were
a liar?

This is where is gets tricky.  Maybe I should
ask him whether you would lie if I asked you
whether he had a sense of humor....

And I still haven't figured out who shaves
the barber.  Not that he doesn't look better
with a beard anyway.  The barber, that is.

--jns
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:52:20 GMT


In article <mattm-211292172105@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
|> In article <1h563sINNsn2@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff
|> Dauber) wrote:
|>  
|> > I find soc.motss about the same.
|> 
|> Look harder, darling.  One of the big kids has picked up most of
|> his toys and waddled off to a more comforting sand box.

No doubt due to the people who confuse sand box
with litter box.

Scritch, scritch, scritch.  

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nickn@eskimo.com (Nick Nussbaum)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:42:53 GMT


In article <92364.223718MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> <MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:
>Regarding a previous post that got a good deal of response about the
thought
>of curing homosexuality, most people on the net seem strongly opposed
to whole
>idea of a cure.  But what about those people that really struggle with
their
>sexuality and really don't want to be "homosexual."  Most often they
deny their
>sexual feelings for religion reasons.  I know-I know the Bible may not
be very
....
Well, first of all those groups like Homosexuals Anonymous turn out to
not be sucessful, claims to the contrary. In fact, there's a steady
stream of scandal when "cured" leaders of these groups turn out to be
molesting people who come to them for help.
What these groups can do is eradicate the sexual impulse by
conditioning.
This may be something that someone who has been brainwashed by xtian
nonsense may want to do. More typically, this is something their family
may want done to them. However, like the person who castrates himself to
not have to face sexual temptation, one balks at calling this self
mutilation a cure....
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Muffin on Parade
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:39:05 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <55440005@hpscit.sc.hp.com> jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Prigeon) writes:

>Anyway, I've spent some time figuring out my smurf and bear codes.
>Allow me to share them with you:

>S4 b g l+ y+ z n o- x- a+ u v- j++

I'm clueless (so what else is new?) -- could someone email me the smurf
codes so I can understand?

>B0 f+ t++ w- g s
>               
>One thing about the bear code has puzzled me, though.  Does anyone really
>use e+ or e++?  IMHO, it sounds like telling someone at a bar that you're,
>oh, a millionare or dated Tom Cruise (or Wilford Brimley for the ursine 
>types), or something. 

The difference between e+ and e++ are whether you stuff a sock in your
pants or the whole damn hosiery mill.

An alternative would be what I saw at the Atlanta Eagle one night --
a Jeff Stryker dildo duct taped (yes, I said _DUCT TAPED_) to his
pubic hair.  It made the phrase "follow the bouncing ball" take on a
_whole_ new meaning... :-).  A fashion statement and masochist's 
delight, all in one!

>jap, wondering just exactly what the demarcation is between e+ and e++.

Braggadocio vs. just pure, plain bullshit.  Like Steve said, the only
e+ and e++ I've encountered weren't so taken with themselves to need
to broadcast what they had.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.sex.motss,alt.support
From: strong@apple.com (Bob Strong)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:01:30 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1hojorINNs7s@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> John Howard Osborn,
osborn@cs.utexas.edu writes:
>buttocks in public than their scalp.  Anybody else out their find
>bald men a serious turn-on?

It entirely depends on what s underneath the scalp.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 31 Dec 92 06:29:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec31.062939.1275
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1htshbINNjb5@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083) writes:
>Because, Matthew, to me, regardless of the corporations EE rules, if
>some CFV or OCA says a corporation is "promoting" homosexuality
>which is now against state law, i.e., domestic partner benefits,
>joint checking accounts, adoption, rental rights, the company could
>be subject to jail or a boycott or a letter writing campaign from
>the CFV's or OCA's members.

Huh?  State law says nothing about a corporation's employment policies;
it doesn't address these at all.  "Jail" for a corporation "promoting
homosexuality" was never an issue.  It makes me think you haven't read
the amendment, but I know that can't be the case.

As to a company being the subject of a boycott or letter writing campaign,
so what?  That's true everywhere.  BFD.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:37:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec17.022140.21531@serval.net.wsu.edu> gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman) writes:

   Thanks for all of the information about same-sex marriages, I got some of  
   the information I was looking for, and am hoping that soon we'll be  
   granted the ability to be legally wed (keep your eyes on Hawaii and  
   Pennsylvania).  I'll keep you all updated if I hear anything more...
   But I have another question for all of you...I kinda want to hear some  
   success stories of long-lasting relationships...hopefully ones that are  
   still going strong...I hope this doesn't sound silly...but part of this  
   all came about because of an argument I was having with a friend recently.   
   He basically said that gays can't and don't want to commit to one  
   person...

Seven years and counting.
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Church of Good Hope....Dallas
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:39:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec28.223954.1700
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

On Christmas CNN Headline News ran a story about the new Church
of Good Hope in Dallas....

Is that Church an independent GLBO church or is it a member of MCC?

It looked very beautiful and the piece was done very well!

Bil Snodgrass 
Newsgroups: soc.motss