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From: sonford@milton.u.washington.edu (Sonford Yuen)
Subject: Re: HK Interests & U.S. Elections
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:18:13 GMT

In article <Jul.28.10.04.15.1992.11778@andromeda.rutgers.edu> <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu> writes:
>Last night I had dinner with one of my former students at Chinese University,
>now visiting the United States.  She and her friends from Hong Kong talked
>about the U.S. elections extensively, heavily from a Republican point of view.
>Bush came across as their savior, Clinton-Gore as a pair of goons.
>
>Is theirs the view being played out in the Hong Kong media?  They mentioned 
>that they watch CNN, but I gathered that their views are shaped more by the
>local HK media.  

Look! It's the power of the media, do you think that CNN is pro-Bush?
I really doubt it. You see the Larry King Show in CNN, see how friendly
with Gore he is? See how much time CNN spent reporting the Democrats 
Convention and its success? 

You know, it's just the HK TVs which create a illusion that Bush is saviour,
Clinton is Gore.
You know why? I just guess, if Clincton is elected to be the next President,
then the economy of HK will be impaired for he would probably deny the
MFN (Most Favored Nation) Status to China, which would cause a several %
drop in GNP in HK. So, they must support Bush, no matter how "bullshitting"
he is.

>They seemed completely uninterested in any of the domestic issues addressed
>at the Democratic Convention.  They see the American presidency as strictly
>an international role, accountable to Hong Kong workers and U.S. workers
>alike, only through service to international corporations in a completely
>free market place.    Is theirs the typical HK view?

Every country just strives for their own benefits. So it's natural for the
Hong Kong people to just see how the US president protects the economy of
their country, not of US! 
(I just say "natural", I don't know wheter it's correct or not. 
 Let's see, the Republicans would destroy the economy and even justice in
 US, it just makes the rich become richer, the poor (even the middle class)
 become poorer. It's the philosophy of Reagan, and also of Bush. So,
 in the American pt of view, Clincton is in any sense a better choice than     
 Bush)
 
Anyway, this story tells us how influential and powerful of the media is
nowadays, which is one of the most serious social problems we'll face in
the future.

Sonford Yuen
(Seattle)




From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:23:49 GMT
Subject: Democrat won in legisgative council
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

A motion submitted by the Democrats for the election in the legislative in
1995 has been passed. In the second last day of the legisative council
meeting, the co-op resource centre domanated committee submitted a motion
to the council to "acknowledge a report from the committee that a method
of multi-seats, single vote in the coming legislative council election
in 1995". An amendment submitted by a Democrat (Mec Li Kwok - I don't know
his name in English) proposing a system of single-seat, single vote. After
13 hours of debate. The Democrats won it. During the debate, over one
thousand people, inlcudes both side, demonstrated outside the council 
building.

This is the first (?) time the Democrats won a debate over the democracy
in the council.

Well done.


Yuk Chan
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Bruce Lee
Summary: Bruce Lee
Keywords: bruce Lee
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:07:52 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

I found out that Bruce Lee was passed away on July 20, 1973 - that 
was nineteen years ago last week.  He is one of the most admired 
and respected superstar in the movie history, do you remember him?
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re:  HKer's opinion on U.S. election
Organization: Tandem Computers
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:23:52 GMT

cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) writes:
|> ...
|> I wouldn't attempt to write the original line in Chinese.  It is even harder to 
|> understand when it comes to ancient language.  What a pity.

Why not? I think it's pretty easy:
    Shou Sheng[,] Chia Ka[,] Ji Kwok[,] Ping Tin Ha.
    Cultivate oneself, manage the family, adminster the country, and
    rule/bring_peace_to the world.
Right?

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Toronto Restaurants?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:02:20 GMT



Hello!  I have a very good friend who will be travelling to Toronto this coming
Friday for some very well-earned R&R.  Would any of you out there be able to 
provide the names (Chinese and/or English) and addresses of some good Chinese 
restaurants there?  I thought it would be best to divide these restaurants into
three categories:

Category I- Dim Sum Restaurants

Category II- Family-Style Restaurants

Category III- Restaurants to Impress Future In-Laws


To save this net for more important discussions you can respond directly to my 
e-mail address.  Depending on the quantity of responses and the degree of 
demand from those of you out there, I may also post a summary of the responses.
 Thanks in advance to all those who reply!

Robert Sanders
From: gsrfy@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Plea for assistance ( information mainly )
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:01:31 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


	This is the first time that I have accessed this NEWSGROUP; I have been
to Hong Kong eight times, and visited my family village which is situated in
booming ShenZhen three times; so I am unashamed to say that I love Hong Kong.

        I am posting this request for assistance on behalf of a friend from
AnHui province. He is a scholar who is doing a Ph.D. in Australia; he will
be in Hong Kong from 30/9/92 until 7/10/92 and from 7/11/92 until 14/11/92, on
the way to mainland China and on his return to Australia.

	As he has a scholarship which only just covers his tuition fees, he is
financially not very well off; he needs to find cheap and convenient 
accomodation for those periods. He is a well-educated person, and a dedicated
scholar.

	If you can provide some sort of assistance ( information about cheap
acoomodation, and its availability, names and addresses of organizations who
may be able to give him some assistance, etc., etc. ) please send your
information to me, and I will pass it on to my friend for further action.

				Best regards,
				Rick Yuan
				Australia
From: leungk@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (The Wandering Hermit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: MIS Department, Univ. of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bs5uIy.Ktu@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca>, lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes...
> 
>Why is SQL less stupid than COBOL?  If you care to look into some literature, you
>will see that there are many problems with SQL.  Both are used mainly because of
>existing systems use them.
> 

Well, there is no question that COBOL is a brain dead langugae. But is SQL
really that bad? I don't think you can find a computer language/database 
query language that is free of problem. And SQL does do its job right with
relational database. Of course, then you can argue relational database
is stupid and should not be used at all :)

Simon, The Hermit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: rob@stallion.oz.au (Rob Dunn)
Subject: Cantonese Tapes
Organization: Stallion Technologies
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:16:45 GMT
Summary: HK Govt Cantonese Lang Tapes
Keywords: Tapes, Sidney Lau

The Govt Printing Centre at Central sells a set of Cantonese text books by
Sydney Lau.  I understand these are used at the Govt Lang training school.
The printing centre does not sell tapes to go with these books.  Does anyone
know if they exist, and if so where they are available.

Thanks

Rob Dunn
--

------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
Rob Dunn, Software Quality Engineer, Stallion Technologies P.O. Box 954 TOOWONG 
4066 Brisbane Australia  Ph 61 7 870 4999 Fx 61 7 371 8881
From: c60a-aa@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Ka-Chung Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: test
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:58:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

This is a test .  Ignore it !!
Too late, ha!!
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Our new governor Chris Patten will visit our U. tomorrow
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:52:43 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

shlam@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (Alan S H Lam) writes:


>Our new governor Chris Patten will visit our U. tomorrow.
>He may read this news group.
>Would you like to say something to him?

Dear Mr. Patten,

	I hope you can use your influence to build a solid foundation
to ensure the stability of Hong Kong after the turn over in 1997.

	Thank you.


-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Wendy Lee)
Subject: Information on UW-Madison
Originator: wlee@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:50:00 GMT

   I had studied 1st year Engineering in UW-Madison for 1 year(90-91).
In my opinion, this university is generally a good university while
the tuition fees is not expensive, compared with other universities in
the states. But the weather in Madison is really very cold in winter
time. So if one decides to go to UW-Madison, one should consult with
students there for more details about what should bring from HK. Also,
Madison is a university-town. So it is quite boring to study there as not
many activites can be done under such cold weather. It is undoubtedly that
UW-Madison is a beautiful and quiet place for one to concentrate on the
studies.

    I know few types of Engineering in UT-texas has a higher ranking that
UW-Madison offers. I am not sure the ranking of Computer Science of these
2 universities. One should check about the up-dated informtaion before
choosing between these 2 universities.

    GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                       
                                           Yours Sincerely,
                                  
                                                     Wendy (LEE)

**************************************************************************

     LEE, Wendy Woon-ming
     wlee@unixg.ubc.ca               

***************************************************************************

Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9226 soc.culture.asian.american:7129
From: lamb@jasper.cs.orst.edu (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: History of family name
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:09:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul25.220941.11149
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State Univ.
Originator: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU


I received something interesting in mail today.  A publishing company offers
to sell me a book called, "The World book of Lams," which is not yet
published.

If I remember correctly, this is the third time I received such kind of offer.  
But I don't remember whether they are from the same company.

The introduction letter mentioned some interesting facts.  The first Lam
in U.S. is a woman named Rachael who went to Virginia in 1635.
I wonder why she has a American first name?  The Immigration picked it for 
her?

There are only 9,304 households bearing the Lam name in the U.S., Canada,
Australia, New Zealand, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland,
Ireland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

Well, I don't think I would be interested in such a book anyway.  
But one thing really cracks me up is a card that comes with the letter.
In the back it said, "Your whole family will enjoy this unique book! ......."
The front is a photo of a WHITE CAUCASIAN family reading a book together.
Yeah, right, I said to myself, what a good way to sell a book to an
Asian.  


--Ben Lam
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:20:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Democrat won in legisgative council
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

> n34bb@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Lucas Chan) / 11:47 am  Jul 26, 1992 /

>In article <6130066@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> you write:
>|> A motion submitted by the Democrats for the election in the legislative in
>|> 1995 has been passed. In the second last day of the legisative council
>|> meeting, the co-op resource centre domanated committee submitted a motion
>|> to the council to "acknowledge a report from the committee that a method
>|> of multi-seats, single vote in the coming legislative council election
>|> in 1995". An amendment submitted by a Democrat (Mec Li Kwok - I don't know
>|> his name in English) proposing a system of single-seat, single vote. After
>|> 13 hours of debate. The Democrats won it. During the debate, over one
>|> thousand people, inlcudes both side, demonstrated outside the council 
>|> building.

>Some demonstrated against a more democratic system??

Yes, Their banner actually said, "Support multi-seat, single vote system".
Their finally argument was, the two-seats, two-votes system made the UD
United Democrat won most of seats. And any other system may do so. A 
multi-seat, single vote system would let other minor voice into the council
(i.e. pro-china party). 

>LC

>----------

Yuk Chan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: How many ways can you spell it?
Keywords: last name
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:00:31 GMT

vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li) writes:

>Is Cheung = Chen?
>I thought Chan = Chen.

	So is Tan.

>And there are others:
>Wong = Wang = Hwang
>Li = Lee
>Ng = Wu = Eng --- This one always baffles me why so many westerners couldn't
>                  say "NG" the way it's suppose too. Anyone knows why?
>                  "Eng" is really the wrong spelling/pronunciation.

	As for "Ng", I've met many westerners who pronounce it as N-G,
ie Angie.

>-- Vince

>---------------------------------------
>vli@mprgate.mpr.ca        |-) It works well under pressure: Another thing
>                          |-] you can say about your pillow. -- Mr Boffo
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9230 soc.culture.asian.american:7134
From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: History of family name
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:44:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul26.024456.16860
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <kingw.712116214@sfu.ca> kingw@fraser.sfu.ca (King Rio Wong) writes:
>Seems that I am not the only one who receive such an offer.  Are they
>publishing books for other family names other than the "Lams"? (I thought they
>were sending letters to everybody using a computer to change the title "The
>World Book of ?????" to the person's lastname... ;-)  I don't see anything 
>interesting with the book anyways.  Just a bunch of names and addresses, a
>few pieces of article, and a picture of your family's "coat of arm".  When
>have the Chinese families started to have their coat of arms, anyways???
>

What's "coat of arm" anyway?

--Ben Lam
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:  HKer's opinion on U.S. election
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:15:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <Jul.28.10.04.15.1992.11778@andromeda.rutgers.edu> <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu> writes:
>Last night I had dinner with one of my former students at Chinese University,
>now visiting the United States.  She and her friends from Hong Kong talked
>about the U.S. elections extensively, heavily from a Republican point of view.
>Bush came across as their savior, Clinton-Gore as a pair of goons.
>
>Is theirs the view being played out in the Hong Kong media?  They mentioned 
>that they watch CNN, but I gathered that their views are shaped more by the
>local HK media.  

In my opinion, Chinese, at least a majority of them, are monarchist at heart.  Loyalty 
precedes reality.  Name recognition precedes substance.  Age precedes talent.  Stability
precedes change.  Old precedes new.  And the perception of a world leader fueled by the 
media reenforces the invincible status of Bush in the minds of a lot of HKers.  

Given all the economic and military power the U.S. currently enjoys, just about any one 
elected to be the president can be a credible world leader.  The question is, for how 
long this person will be able to maintain such competitive edge.

This reminds me a line in << Dai Hok >> (Cantonese) <<Da4 Xue2>> (manderin), or
a direct translation, Univeral Learning by Confucius.  How cumbersome to convey a
simple thing in English!  O.K.  that is one of the Four Books!  Man!

"Since ancient time, (if) one wants to demonstrate his virtue to the world (such that
all would follow), he must first rule his country (with virtue so it prospers in both
wealth and spirit).  If he wants to rule his country, he mush first maintain law
and order in his own family.  ...... "

I wouldn't attempt to write the original line in Chinese.  It is even harder to 
understand when it comes to ancient language.  What a pity.
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:27:21 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: n052fx@tamuts.tamu.edu's message of 29 Jul 92 18:39:37 GMT

>>>>> On 29 Jul 92 18:39:37 GMT, n052fx@tamuts.tamu.edu (Yiu Wan) said:
[...]
Yiu>  yeah.. a few more words: I ain't no cs but "stupid" mis.  many
Yiu> cs guys & gals think mis is only highschool stuff.. But they miss
Yiu> the point that we are not doin sof' eng'ing but looking for the
Yiu> bottom line..  We just have diff pt. of views. Like the situ' in
Yiu> HK, I disagree with u that HKers are stupid & shortsighted when
Yiu> they use IBM type PC stuff.  Sparc workstation & IBM clone just
Yiu> serve diff ends.a

At work, I use Sparc stations, PCs, and VAXs depending on the type of
tasks that I need to accoomplish at the time. None of them is superior
in all dimensions.

Last year I read an industry survey which said PCs and workstations
accounted for 65% of the desktop. With the wide penetration of PCs
comes the wide variety of application packages.  I see the widespread
use of PCs in Hong Kong as a very pragmatic move in commercial
environment. Of course, if the weather office in Hong Kong uses a PC
to model and predict weather, then I would question its judgement.
--
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp.  				    
350 Legget Drive, Kanata
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: GIF Picture Postings - ltong{01,02}.gif
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:19:00 GMT

Hello all. I've just posted more pictures to the newsgroups
alt.binaries.pictures and alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
These pictures are of Tong Ling.

Special thanks to David So at Rutgers University for
contributing his files.

Enjoy!

Please support our chinese GIF Picture Archives. If you have any Hong
Kong related picture files (and that includes celebrities or scenic 
pictures), please contribute. It doesn't matter whether it is of GIF 
format or not. I'll take care of the rest. Just send me, Thomas 
<twong@civil.ubc.ca>, an email saying you have a picture and you
would like to add to our collection. And I'll send you a reply with
instructions on how to send the file to me. After that, we'll take
care of the rest.

Don't forget, we have two picture archives!
We have a Popstar archive for the Hong Kong Popstars.
And we have a Scenic archive to show how Hong Kong has changed 
over the years.

So if you have picture files for either of the archives, please
send them along. Let's keep the archives growing. If you have other
Hong Kong related GIFs, we will take it too. I can be classified
as misc although this is not an _official_ archive as yet.

Thomas.

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  /*   Civil Eng., U.B.C       INTERNET:     thomas_wong@civil.ubc.ca     */
 /*   Van, B.C., Canada    UUCP:    ...!uunet!civil.ubc.ca!thomas_wong   */
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From: vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: How many ways can you spell it?
Keywords: last name
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:58:24 GMT
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Jul28.032937.18441@wam.umd.edu> tatcho@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Tat Chi Ho) writes:
>
>We have read more than 10 articles talking about 
>the last name 1)Lam or  2)Lam=Lin=Lum.
>
>It sounds like people with the same last name are going
>to post news here to identify themselves!
>
>Such as,
>1) Cheung=chen
>2) Lo=Law ? 
>3) Wong=Wang
>...
>
Is Cheung = Chen?
I thought Chan = Chen.
And there are others:
Wong = Wang = Hwang
Li = Lee
Ng = Wu = Eng --- This one always baffles me why so many westerners couldn't
                  say "NG" the way it's suppose too. Anyone knows why?
                  "Eng" is really the wrong spelling/pronunciation.

-- Vince

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vli@mprgate.mpr.ca        |-) It works well under pressure: Another thing
                          |-] you can say about your pillow. -- Mr Boffo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: adammot@r-node.gts.org (Adam Mottershead)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: History of family name
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:39:15 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) 24hrs.

In article <1992Jul25.220941.11149@CS.ORST.EDU> lamb@jasper.cs.orst.edu (Ben Lam) writes:
>
>I received something interesting in mail today.  A publishing company offers
>to sell me a book called, "The World book of Lams," which is not yet
>published.
>
>If I remember correctly, this is the third time I received such kind of offer.  
>But I don't remember whether they are from the same company.
>
>The introduction letter mentioned some interesting facts.  The first Lam
>in U.S. is a woman named Rachael who went to Virginia in 1635.

The company that produces these books, just does a whole bunch of names...

My mother received one the other day for the THAYER family (her maiden name).
What I found interesting is how they want the prospective buyer to think
that the book is produced by a researcher rather than a large company, by
putting someone's name uptop.

The particular 'letter' my mother received had some guy named Norman Thayer
at the top.  It is made to look as if it was his own personal stationnary.  Now
if I recall correctly wasn't Norman Thayer the character played by Henry
Fonda in "On Golden Pond".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong