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From: wcl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long)
Subject: Easy way to create unix man pages?
Keywords: unix manual hypertext
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:58:56 GMT


I'm looking for a filter, utility, or editor that
will take normal, what-you-see-is-what-you get
text, and convert it into a unix man page with
minimal hassle.

I realize that some of the major sections and headings
would have to be delimeted in some way, but I'd like to
be able to do this editing with a normal text editor
(or framemaker or MacIntosh Word) in as minimally
cryptic way as possible.


Wayne

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: XEDIT for UNIX?
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:10:17 GMT

Is there an XEDIT for UNIX (BSD UNIX preferably) machines?  By "XEDIT"  
I mean the editor of the same name found on CMS machines.

Thanks,
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From: creider@taptet.sscl.uwo.ca (Chet A. Creider)
Subject: Re: multiple file editing in VI
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.031358.28041@netcom.com> alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore) writes:
>vi you use has tag stacks (e.g., I don't think elvis  has them yet),

Elvis has had support for tags, including a good ctags program, for the
last few revisions.

Chet Creider
<creider@csd.uwo.ca>
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From: robrick@erenj.com (Robert Brickman)
Subject: Scalable fonts for WordPerfect
Followup-To: comp.editors
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, New Jersey
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:34:03 GMT

   I am looking for advice about any of the scalable font add-ons that can
be used with WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS, such as BitStream's Facelift or
MicroLogic's TrueType for DOS. I would especially like to hear your
comments about their performance, ease of use and installation, quality of
the output fonts, and ease of incorporating additional typefaces.

If this subject has been discussed before or if there is a review of it
somewhere, I would appreciate any reference to it. I would be using it with
WP 5.1 on an XT with a Panasonic 4410 printer, to be specific.

Thanks in advance,
Robert Brickman     <robrick@erenj.com>
  - The opinions expressed here are my own and in no way reflect the
opinions,
policies or practices of my employer.
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From: ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Kubaitis - CCSO)
Subject: Re: Sam (was Re: sam and cursor control)
Organization: University of Illinois - Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:38:22 GMT

ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Kubaitis - CCSO) writes:
  |... Anyway,
  |attached is a perl script that provides some tags functionality for sam.
  |...
  |You say '!tag <tag>' in the command window, select the two lines printed
  |out by the script, and hit the 'send' menu2 item. I used it for about 20
  |minutes ...
  
Hmmm. 20 minutes was clearly not enough. Found 3 bugs in the 6 line
original. Attached is a repaired version.

----------------------------------
Ed Kubaitis (ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu)
Computing & Communications Services Office - University of Illinois, Urbana
==============================================================================
#! /usr/local/bin/perl
#   generate Sam commands from tags file
$#ARGV == 0 || die "usage: tag tag\n";
$_ = `look -t	 "$ARGV[0]\t" tags`;
/^[^\t]+\t([^\t]+)\t(.+)$/; $file =$1; $re =$2;
$re =~ s/([()*[\]])/\\$1/g;
print "B $file\n$re\n";
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From: tom@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Thomas Erskine)
Subject: Re: 8-bit clean simple editor? (Summary of responses)
Organization: Communications Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:51:26 GMT


As promised, here is the summary of responses to my query for help with
8-bit clean simple editors.  Since I already had pico, I tried the patch
offered, and I have success.  I will try out the others, so see if one
of them is more appropriate, but now the urgency is gone since I have
something which works.

Thanks again people.

==========================================
From: Chuck Henrich <henrich@crs.cl.msu.edu>

Have you tried CE yet?  its on crs.cl.msu.edu pub/ce1.2dist.tar.Z

==========================================
From: bet@sandstorm.sbi.com (Bennett Todd)

ELLE (ELLE Looks Like Emacs) can edit arbitrary binary files; I'm not
positive what else you want in an ``8-bit-clean'' editor, but it should be
easy to adjust ELLE to do it. ELLE is also very small and simple.

==========================================
From: fjp@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Pereira)

Did you ever tryed the last version of fpted.
(You can get it using ftp at minerva.inesc.pt)

==========================================
From: Pekka Kytolaakso <netmgr@tellus.csc.fi>

The only patch that I have made on Sun is:

*** os_unix.c.orig      Fri Sep 11 20:16:37 1992
--- os_unix.c   Wed Nov 25 14:47:37 1992
***************
*** 225,231 ****
        kill(getpid(), SIGHUP);         /* the only honorable thing to do */
      }
      else
!       return((Pmaster) ? c & 0xff : c & 0x7f);
  }
  
  
--- 225,231 ----
        kill(getpid(), SIGHUP);         /* the only honorable thing to do */
      }
      else
!       return(c & 0xff);
  }

The only thing I need to say to make it is 'stty pass8'.
stty is the same as 'stty -parenb -isttrip cs8{'.
This is with pico that comes with pine3.05. 

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From: weisen@alw.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Re: Sam (was Re: sam and cursor control)
Organization: National Insts. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:03:13 GMT

I agree with what both posters said.  I find Sam ``neat'' and
``interesting'', but I found myself moving back to Vi after a short
stint.  Maybe something about Plan 9, like the window system 8 1/2
provides cursor control via the keyboard.  I could see Sam being a real
success under Unix if it had a few simple features added.  Someone
suggested a backquote operator (like under shells) that would insert
the output of a command executed under a shell as the input to a Sam
command.  That and keyboard cursor movement would do it for me.
Someone else suggested that they were able to feed commands to Sam from
their shell under Unix, rc, but I haven't figured out how this would
work.


--Neil

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From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: vi temporary files
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:36:06 GMT

In <1992Dec14.133348.7652@alw.nih.gov> weisen@alw.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld) writes:

>Or, move vi to vi.prog and write a shell script called vi that appends
>this to the EXINIT.

Don't do that.  If you set EXINIT, vi will ignore $HOME/.exrc.
Users will notice, and put alias vi=vi.prog in their .chsrc files.

>Come to think of it, Vi might listen to the env.
>variable TMPDIR, so you could try that, too.

Have you tried it?  Does it work with your version of vi?
Vi Version SVR3.1 doesn't listen to TMPDIR.

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Hope this helps,

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From: tomho@comm.mot.com (Tom Hoffman)
Subject: Where can I get the editor "joe"
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:47:34 GMT

I read that Joe is an easy to use editor for Unix.  Where can I get
it from?

Thanks in advance,

Tom

tomho@ecs.comm.mot.com
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From: kees@echelon.uucp (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect to ASCII translator for Sun/Unix
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:36 GMT

In <1992Dec14.144836.23230@cheshire.oxy.edu> legend@cheshire.oxy.edu
(Linda A. Malcor) writes:

> >We need a translator to convert WordPerfect 5.1 to ascii,
> >to make mail work better here at NCAR. Anybody have any
> >ideas on how to make this happen?
> 
> I have been writing translators for WP -> various ASCII without writing
> a single line of code. Use the PTR program (it comes with every version
> of WP since 4.2?) to modify the STANDARD.PRS printer driver. 
(...)
> install you new print driver and tell WP that it is printing to a file
> (saddly it must be a single file name so you have to deal with that).

I guess this idea could be improved by having WP write to a named pipe,
with a suitable mailer-daemon listening at the other end. You call the
printer 'mailer' and sending mail will be as easy as printing a document.

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From: crigler@cs.ucf.edu (James Crigler)
Subject: Re: Extension Languages
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:59:17 GMT

marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar) writes:


>I have a question relating to extension languages for editors:

>IS there any specific reason why one would choose to utilise an prefix notation
>language for extensions to an editor as opposed to infix or post-fix?
[...Stuff I can't answer deleted...]
>        I am seeking more information as to why the
>particular choices were made, what the advantages are that they provide,
>etc.

I got to hear a talk by Richard Stallman (the creator of EMACS)
here in November.  He was actually speaking about GCC internals,
but he commented in passing that his background was in LISP.  (He
also said that before he added parenthesis-matching to EMACS, he
could eyeball a section of LISP code and tell whether the opening
and closing parentheses matched.)  A LISP-like system is also used
(apparently) in the internal representations of "compiler objects"
in GCC.

Jim Crigler
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From: wright@staff.tc.umn.edu (Mark Wright)
Subject: Re: Difference between v3.0 and v3.1 of Brief
Keywords: brief
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:43:46 GMT

In article <5858@krafla.rhi.hi.is> kristfin@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Thor Finnsson) writes:
>Now that Borland owns it, does it for example support syntax highligtning
>like their editor in BC 3.1?
>
If the current version number is 3.1, then I assume no changes have yet been
made, since the version number was 3.1 when system solutions had it.  The
difference between 3.0 and 3.1 is mouse support.

-- 
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wright@epx.cis.umn.edu
From: bret@muppet.bt.co.uk (Bret Giddings)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: sam and cursor control
Date: 11 Dec 92 08:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: bret@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Research Laboratories


Is there anyone out there who knows whether sam supports cursor control (and maybe
page-up etc). Seems kinda unusable without.

Bret
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: multiple file editing in VI
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom
NNTP-Posting-Host: mugwump.muppet.bt.co.uk

In article 28041@netcom.com, alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore) writes:
+I belive you can toggle back and forth between two files with the ex
+command 
+:e# 
+And if you are editting C language files, I presume you know about
+ctags?  For example, after creating a tags file, use CTL-] (i.e., press
+the ] key while holding down the CTL key) to jump to the file defining
+the function under the cursor. To return, use CTL-^.  

Well you could use ctl-^ but this would only take you up one level a far
more chocolaty command is ctl-t which is the equivalent of :pop.

Cheers,
C
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From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: buffer gap editors other than gnu emacs?
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:37:52 GMT

This may be an FAQ, but are there any editors which use buffer gap
other than GNU Emacs (and predecessors like Gosling Emacs & TECO)?

Is the MIT tech report on buffer gap available electronically?

I looked through most of the mini-emacs type editors and they all used
a linked list of lines or blocks.

Email and I'll summarize.
From: hjiwa@gruc19.nor.chevron.com (Jeff Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: vi temporary files
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:00:30 GMT
Organization: Chevron Petroleum Technology Company

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|> Whenever you use vi, a temporary file gets created on the /tmp directory.
|> If one has their disc partitioned in the manner that UNIX discs often get
|> partitioned, the "/" partition, which includes /tmp, does not have a whole
|> lot of space.  One person editing a huge file (multiple megabytes) will
|> fill the partition, and make it impossible to do other things that are
|> necessary from time to time, i.e. mail, other vi sessions, etc...
|> 
|> Is there a way to force vi to write the temporary files to the users home
|> directory?  I know emacs does this, and I probably will encourage people
|> editing large files to use emacs if I can't find a solution to the vi temp
|> files.

To redirect where vi will store its temporary buffer files, put in your .exrc,

set dir=home_dir

where "home_dir" is the path to the user's home directory.

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From: kristfin@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Thor Finnsson)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Difference between v3.0 and v3.1 of Brief
Summary: brief
Keywords: brief
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:25:45 GMT

Now that Borland owns it, does it for example support syntax highligtning
like their editor in BC 3.1?


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From: weisen@alw.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Re: sam and cursor control
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:38:26 GMT

Bret Giddings (bret@muppet.bt.co.uk) wrote:
: 
: Is there anyone out there who knows whether sam supports cursor control (and maybe
: page-up etc). Seems kinda unusable without.
: 
: Bret

Yes, an editor in which you have no control over the cursor would be
bad :-).  Actually, if you are referring to controlling cursor movement
from the keyboard, then I think the answer is no: you have to use the
mouse.

--Neil


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From: alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore)
Subject: Re: multiple file editing in VI
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:13:58 GMT

In article <Bz1y7H.BEA@sci.kun.nl> jeroenh@sci.kun.nl (Jeroen Huinink) writes:
>Hello,
>
>When editing multiple files in vi (using 'vi *.c') you can get to the next
>file using :n and you can get to the first file with :rew. What I would
>like to do is skip to the previous file or to a file with a certain number
>without having to remember the filename or doing :rew and a number of times
>:n. 
>
>Can someone enlighten me?

The following doesn't answer your question directly, but maybe it will
help...

I belive you can toggle back and forth between two files with the ex
command 
:e# 
And if you are editting C language files, I presume you know about
ctags?  For example, after creating a tags file, use CTL-] (i.e., press
the ] key while holding down the CTL key) to jump to the file defining
the function under the cursor. To return, use CTL-^.  If the version of
vi you use has tag stacks (e.g., I don't think elvis  has them yet),
you can get around very well this way.
Related commands are ":ta" ":pop," and from the command line "vi -t tag."
-Andrew Moore <alm@netcom.com>
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From: charles@gremlin.muug.mb.ca (Charles)
Subject: Re: Pico port for SysVr3
Organization: The Haunted Unix Box
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:56:23 GMT

oli@odb.rhein-main.de (Oliver Boehmer) writes:

>Has anyone ported pico (pine's editor) to SysV r3? 
>I'd be thankful to hear about it

I've had Pico 1.6 working on ISC 3.2 2.2.1 for quite a while now (I'm
using it right now to type this). 
Don't remember what I did to get it going, but I remember it
required a bit of hacking relating to terminal stuff.
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: weisen@alw.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Re: vi temporary files
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:33:48 GMT

Hans Mulder (hansm@cs.kun.nl) wrote:
: 
: Maybe you could ask the offending user to add the line
: 
: 	set directory=/their/home/directory
: 
: to the .exrc file in that directory.
: 
: --
: Hope this helps,
: 
: Hans Mulder			hansm@cs.kun.nl

Or, move vi to vi.prog and write a shell script called vi that appends
this to the EXINIT.  Come to think of it, Vi might listen to the env.
variable TMPDIR, so you could try that, too.

Regards,
Neil

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From: rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Macro Archive/Mailing list for Brief?
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:55:09 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Dec19.224727.15438@super.org> pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen) writes:
>
>Is there either a macro archive or mailing list for Brief?  I'm a new
>Brief user with extensive emacs experience and I'd like to duplicate
>as much of the emacs functionality as I can.
>
>Peter

BORLAND has a number where they put public domain macros. I know there is 
something like that on Compuserve too. Then there is a mailing list for
CRISP on Unix whose macro language is fully compatible with BRIEF. 

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From: dsembr01@terra.spd.louisville.edu (Darren S. Embry)
Subject: JOE 1.0.7: problems with xterm and hpterm windows
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


The only terminal emulation under which JOE works just fine is when
TERM=vt100.  When TERM=xterm or hpterm, the word OOPS is typed on the screen
about everytime I type someting in, and the screen messes up.

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From: jback@East.Sun.COM (Joe Backo - Special Projects Mgr Sun Baltimore,Md.)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: ZMacs Editor for Sun
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:20:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jback@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: trine.east.sun.com

I am looking for the ZMacs editor for Suns.  ZMacs is used on Symbolics
AI Machines, it is mouse driven, and "powerful" (according to the
customer I have who needs it).  Please reply directly, and I'll
summarize the answers I get.  Thanks in advance...

+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
Joe Backo
Sun Microsystems		Internet: joe.backo@East.Sun.COM
6716 Alexander Bell Drive	Usenet	: ...!uunet!sun!sundc!jback
Suite #200			AT&T	: (410) 290-1234
Columbia, MD 21046		FAX	: (410) 312-1799
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

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From: Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman)
Subject: Joe problem
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:59:42 GMT


The ` token still doesn't work right in joe.
It used to generate core dumps, but now it causes the cursor to jump to
the upper left corner of the screen and while I can type again then, joe
doesn't seem to be there anymore. Row and column indicators have
disappeared and ^K sequences don't work.
        
I am running SunOS 4.1.2

Anyone else has the same problem or knows a fix?



Richard.


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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: vi temporary files
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:53:55 GMT

In <1992Dec13.230411.16440@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Is there a way to force vi to write the temporary files to the users home
>directory?  I know emacs does this, and I probably will encourage people
>editing large files to use emacs if I can't find a solution to the vi temp
>files.

Maybe you could ask the offending user to add the line

	set directory=/their/home/directory

to the .exrc file in that directory.

--
Hope this helps,

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: vi temporary files
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:04:10 CST

Whenever you use vi, a temporary file gets created on the /tmp directory.
If one has their disc partitioned in the manner that UNIX discs often get
partitioned, the "/" partition, which includes /tmp, does not have a whole
lot of space.  One person editing a huge file (multiple megabytes) will
fill the partition, and make it impossible to do other things that are
necessary from time to time, i.e. mail, other vi sessions, etc...

Is there a way to force vi to write the temporary files to the users home
directory?  I know emacs does this, and I probably will encourage people
editing large files to use emacs if I can't find a solution to the vi temp
files.
-- 

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