From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:16:19 GMT

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day):
:- 
:- I accept your statement as to your intention.  If you had been crusading 
:- against r.m.h to eliminate an option to your stated preference that Harley
:- riders "stick to rec.moto" could you see how that could be perceived

	i am not crusading against r.m.h. a point that has to be
	understood by all is that *i* do not need to make out a case.
	*i* do not want anything. if people who *want* r.m.h *want* my
	vote, *they* have to make out a case as to why the group is
	needed. "just because we need it" is not enough reason for me.
	of course the people who *want* r.m.h could care less about my
	supprt, which is fine with me. my preference that h-d riders
	stick to r.m is more of a personal request from one biker to
	another and has nothing to do with my vote.

:- and the prevailing wisdom tells us that the proposed
:- newsgroup would be cheaper for the net at large than the existing
:- mailing list.

	if this were true (supported by valid statistics) i would
	certainly understand the creation of the group.

:- I also haven't seen anyone make a decent case for the assumption that
:- if r.m.h is created, all Harley riders will cease to read or participate
:- in r.m.  That assumption seems to be the basis for many of the objections
:- cited to creating r.m.h, and it seems faulty to me.

	the fact that rec.moto does have quite a few harley riders among
	its readers is a sure foundation for such a case. i admit i am
	ill-equipped to enter that arguement since i am lacking in data
	pertaining to the mailing list and the initial RFD discussions.
	i do not however believe that rec.moto is going to lose its
	harley riders due to the formation of rec.moto, nor do i believe
	that has any pertinence to the formation of r.m.h what is more
	important is to ascertain that the group is created due to a
	collective need of a section of concerned participants, rather
	than as a tool to further the harley-jap bike divide.

:- The anti-Harley flames have been cited as a major source of annoyance by
:- several proponents of r.m.h.  Exactly what you meant by "extreme, rare,
:- crappy flames"

	how many of the proponents have cited it? how do such flames
	compare against the general amount of flaming observed on
	rec.moto and other groups? why do quite a few h-d riders still
	read and post to rec.moto? why do posts of the form "I am proud
	to be a Harley rider and would like us Harley riders to stick to
	rec.moto" appear every now and then? extreme, crappy flames are
	flames that appear in rec.moto containing a few obscenities
	expressed against some pet peeve ranging from h-ds to lance
	holst or what have you, and these are pretty rare.

:- that you and the others here who are concerned about institutionalizing
:- divisions reach out to the Harley riders there to join in the general
:- motorcycling discussions on r.m.

	something i certainly plan to do if r.m.h goes thru.
	
	happy riding,

	- ravi


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