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From: aa700@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Current)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: FAQ vs C.S.A.8.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:16:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


By now Ben has seen my posting "Posting from the Internet: we have a
problem."  I gather they probably sent you the same little message they
sent me.

I completely understand your frustration, as apparently ucbvax.berkeley.edu
is not going to be available to any of us anymore.

All I can do about it is what I've just done tonight:  I've updated the FAQ
List , indicating that indeed Info-Atari8 Digest subscribers pretty much
are unable to participate in this group now.  And I've e-mailed John
Dunning about the situation, thinking that as the maintainer of the Digest
he might have some concern.

I still consider the primary problem, which has been the case ever since
the Info-Atari8 Digest moved to naucse.cse.nau.edu oh, say, 3 years ago, to
be that mail sent to info-atari8@naucse.cse.nau.edu is not cross-posted to
comp.sys.atari.8bit as it is supposed to be.

Again, if anyone has any ideas on how to fix the Digest to do this, please
post here (on Usenet!) and/or e-mail John Dunning.  We really need to get
this thing solved.
-- 
         Michael Current, Cleveland Free-Net 8-bit Atari SIGOp
Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA / UUCP: ...!umn-cs!ccnfld!currentm
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: rossi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Oliver Rosenkranz)
Subject: Re: Screen Aided Management
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:36:51 GMT

jjmcwill@mtu.edu (Jeff McWilliams) writes:

>Okay, I got some questions about this program:
>
>Is the documentation in German, or has it been translated to English?
There is a good German documentation for SAM. But one of the authors
told me someweeks ago that they work on an English version of it.
I can't say, if the English documentation has been published already.
If you want to have detailed info about that fact write a mail to 
hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de   .

>Are the messages and menus and stuff that S.A.M. shows on the screen
>in English?
Oh yes. I can't speak for accessories I didn't describe in my posting
but I'm quite sure, that all pull-down commands are in English (and I
guess that the rest is in English, too - mail me, if you want to know it
for sure and I will take a look at it at home).

>This CAD program, what sort of screen resolution is it?
Well, 320x192 (It may be that it is 320x190 or similar, haven't worked with
it for a long time - xl abstinence)

>Is it basically a drawing package where you  put things on one graphics
>8 screen, or can you create a page that is 4 screens wide by
>6 screens long, draw on it, and then print it out on a printer at a 
>high resolution?
I'm not sure. This is because I only have the full description of SAM and its
utilities (plus some accessories). I have a copy of the CAD program at home
but no description of it because at the time I got it there was no description
for it. But now there is one. It may be that this is only a one-screen-picture
CAD program but if you're able to program in ml you can do it for yourself.
I have all the details how to program SAM accessories.
Wanna have them...gimme a hint.

>How much does it cost, and is it available to us U.S. users?
Okay, there is a company here in Germany selling this stuff.
SAM (Main program and all utilities)   49 DM        ca. $31 +shipping
SAM accesories (without Designer)      24 DM        ca. $15 +shipping
SAM Designer			       19 DM        ca. $12 +shipping
SAM Patcher			       12 DM        ca. $08 +shipping
----------------------------------------------------------------------
				      104 DM        ca. $66 +shipping

If you buy all in one it will be only  79 DM        ca. $50 +shipping

If this company has plans to give the distributing rights to an US company
is not sure but you can ask them for yourself ...

Power per Post (PPP)
Postfach 1640
7518 Bretten
Germany
(and tell them you have been told by Oliver Rosenkranz)


>Jeff  McWilliams
Thank you for your reaction. You're the second one ...
How many will it be ????

--==rossi==--
Oliver Rosenkranz
rossi@cs.tu-berlin.de


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969)
Subject: Looking for.
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:37:54 GMT

I have for sale a 155meg Seagate 4182N SCSI hard disk (512k bytes). 
 
I would like to get around $250.00 for it or best offer. 
 
At the same time, I am looking for a 128 or approximate MFM or RLL or
256k byte SCSI hard disk. If you have such for sale or are interested in
mine, please contact me at:
 
this network at: uplherc.upl.com!neb!bbs!1fa or voice at: 801-969-5988
(jim King) or via this network to Genie (last resort) at: 
j.king73@genie.geis.com
 
Tried to hook the 155meg SCSI to my 8bit MIO, but since it only works in
512k byte mode, its useless to me! ARGH! Money wasted, I suppose!
-----
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Mail Path: uplherc.upl.com!neb!bbs!1fa
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From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: 800XL expansion port
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 10:16:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <C0Hs6D.90H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

Actually, the joystick ports use a 6520 PIA chip so with software they
can do I/O. Do you remember the MPP Modems that hooked up to joystick
port #2? A few handles were written to give them the "Hayes" command
set & a few other features. I mostly did the hack for people that didn't
want to spend $50 to $200 to get an interface so it's not like I did a
real great job<grin>. I got it working with a couple of RS232 devices
then took a break. I've already U/L'd it in the message base so if you're
interested I could send it E-mail. There's some stuff you'll need to find
like the handlers which should let you run your own basic progam/Amodem or
get a copy of Express.MPP.  I don't want top bother with UEE'ing the
binaries if at all possible. It's cheap, but it works.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: jjmcwill@mtu.edu (Jeff McWilliams)
Subject: Re: Kermit-65 source code
Keywords: makebin.c, KERMIT-65, assembler, 6502
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:27:52 GMT

In article <C0FH1I.6I7@merk.com> winston@merk.com (Winston Smith) writes:
> 
> 
>     Essentially, but not exactly.  There are several solutions to this
>problem.  I am just wondering what a "best case" scenario would be:  using
>a UNIX system to create executible (fast with lots of space but not
>available to all 8-bitters) ?  Loading the hex code "inline" on the 8-bit
>by using some programming language such as a PD version of FORTH that
>allows for inline code modules?  Using a "BASIC POKEr loader" on the ATARI
>6502 8-BIT (slow but universal) so that other hex code output can be loaded
>and saved?  Programs to do such things exist already and need only be
>modified.  I am just wondering what the accepted methodology is, not being
>an assembly language programmer by trade.  Since "makebin.c" appears to
>have been abandoned I presume that a better method had been found?
> 
>     My question is:  What is the programming path to go from the 6502
>assembler source code of KERMIT-65 that was posted on the ATARI archive to
>a working image of the binary executible?  The cardinal rule is to usually
>"follow the MAKE file", but the final step in the "make" appears to have
>been abandoned only half-way completed (emphasis on "appears to be"... I
>suppose I am overlooking something that is entirely obvious, which is
>usually what is happening in cases like this).
> 
>

Well, I would say some sort of program that loads in the file, and writes out
a binary using the 8 bit would seem to be the best way.  On the other hand,
since this problem only crops up with you are using a cross assembler on a
unix machine, perhaps you should just write the executable maker in
unix and put it with as6502.

jeff McWilliams

-- 
Jeff McWilliams  jjmcwill@mtu.edu  EE Engineer --> Michigan Tech. 
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Wind blowing, rustling, chilling
candlelight will soon be flickering
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: 8" disk drives
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:42:47 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Wed  6 Jan 93 22:23, Bbs@neb (bbs System 801-572-4969)
wrote:

 BS> I'm well aware of what the MIO can handle. What I'm curious about is
 BS> if
 BS> there were some form of adapter I could use to convert the floppy
 BS> connector (on this 8" drive, its a *50* pin connector) to the hard
 BS> drive
 BS> port on my MIO.  I'm sure there HAS to be a way. 50 pin is 50 pin!

I agree with you that 50 pin is 50 pin, but 50 pin can be SASI, SCSI, or a
proprietary array of signals. *maybe* there is a way, but be prepared to
hack a long time and to write your own handler.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

jim_johnson@abcd.houghton.mi.us
from Calumet, Michigan, USA -the world's former copper mining capital, 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: tgreen@iastate.edu (Todd Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Atari 800 Expansion Port
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:05:33 GMT

In <93010.160652SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Does anyone know why Atari decided to hide the Atari 800's full expansion
>port (Take yours apart and be really amazed) inside the Atari 800 rather
>than leaving it on the outside?  It seems like it was a really stupid
>move on their part...

just a guess, but it was probably only for internal testing -
not intended to be a real expansion port.  Now a question:
anybody use this to make a xl compatible pbi on an 800?
(would xl OS also, wouldn't it?)?

Todd
-- 
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tgreen@iastate.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Atari XL as Car Computer
Originator: etxansk@garbod26
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:06:01 GMT


 I've been thinking of putting an Atari XL computer in my car with a
portable TV (LCD colour display type) installed on the dashboard.

 With this equipment in the car it would be possible to have many
important messages such as "low on fuel", "door not properly closed",
"fasten seat belts" etc available with flashy graphics. Not that this
would make it any better, replacing the car's own simple but reliable
indicators wouldn't improve anything, but a computer in the car would
be pretty cool.

 I believe that the XL computer only needs a +5V power source, and
I could use an 8 KB EPROM for the software (written in assembler).

 Has anyone tried this or a similar project? I've heard that computers
tend to lock up quite often when used in cars, because of bad glitches
in the power source. (If supplied with an adapter from the car battery
voltage.)

 Btw, there's a 12V battery in this car, I assume a 12V-to-5V adapter
is relatively cheap.
 
 Thanks for any information,
 Anders Skelander
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: troyer@nynexst.com (Tom Royer)
Subject: 65XE memory hack...
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology Center
Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.55.2 of Tue Mar 20 1990 on oberon (berkeley-unix)
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:44:54

Ah ha!

  I found a 65XE memory upgrade project.  It's a two part article in the Zmags.  The first part
is in issue 67 and part two in in #70.  Unfortuneatly, zmag67 is not in the archive (well, not
on wuarchive's mirror of atari.archive.umich.edu, which I assume is more or less complete).
Does anyone have the first part of this article.  Also, are there indicies for the newer
zmags?  There seems to be a bounty of information in these mags, but I'd hate to download all of
them.

-Tom Royer
 troyer@nynexst.com
From: v462etnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Atari XL as Car Computer
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>In article <etxansk.726768361@garbod26] etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>]
>] I've been thinking of putting an Atari XL computer in my car with a
>]portable TV (LCD colour display type) installed on the dashboard.

There was an article in Antic or Analog several years ago about a police agency
that did just that with 800XLs.  Can't recall where or to what extent they did
it (or why) but I do recall a picture of the inside of the car with
the computer and a monitor.

As an aside, it's illegal in most states to operate a television in the front
seat.  I don't think the cops are going to make a distinction between tv and
your use as a monitor.  They'd probably consider it a hazard to driving. 
Proceed at your own risk.

David Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: winston@merk.com (Winston Smith)
Subject: Re: Kermit-65 source code
Keywords: makebin.c, KERMIT-65, assembler, 6502
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:27:17 GMT



On January 6, 1993 at 01:04:20 GMT
  jjmcwill@mtu.edu (Jeff McWilliams) says:

> Makebin.c was supposed to take the text file, and turn it into 
> an actual binary file.  But it didn't, and now you want to make 
> a program that does.... is this correct?
 
 
     Essentially, but not exactly.  There are several solutions to this
problem.  I am just wondering what a "best case" scenario would be:  using
a UNIX system to create executible (fast with lots of space but not
available to all 8-bitters) ?  Loading the hex code "inline" on the 8-bit
by using some programming language such as a PD version of FORTH that
allows for inline code modules?  Using a "BASIC POKEr loader" on the ATARI
6502 8-BIT (slow but universal) so that other hex code output can be loaded
and saved?  Programs to do such things exist already and need only be
modified.  I am just wondering what the accepted methodology is, not being
an assembly language programmer by trade.  Since "makebin.c" appears to
have been abandoned I presume that a better method had been found?
 
     My question is:  What is the programming path to go from the 6502
assembler source code of KERMIT-65 that was posted on the ATARI archive to
a working image of the binary executible?  The cardinal rule is to usually
"follow the MAKE file", but the final step in the "make" appears to have
been abandoned only half-way completed (emphasis on "appears to be"... I
suppose I am overlooking something that is entirely obvious, which is
usually what is happening in cases like this).
 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: 800XL expansion port
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:58:49 GMT

What is that parallel port on the back of 800XL's for?  I was told when I
bought mine (1984) that it was "for future use".
How would one send information to that port?

Let me tell you what I want to do:
I want to transfer text files created in AtariWriter over to IBM.  I know you
have the files at the archive for reading Atari disks on IBM's, but can you do
it another way?  For one, I don't have beyond DOS 3.0 on Atari, but I've got
MS-DOS 5.0 for IBM.
Could I send ascii characters out of that port or the printer/all-purpose
port and into some IBM port?  I just want to put these files onto my hard drive
as text files.
Or is the easiest way to do something like this to use those files?
But you have to hook up your Atari disk drive to your IBM or something?
I have a 1050 Atari disk drive.

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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: 800XL expansion port
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:23:00 GMT

Hack a joystick cable?
How do you send information out of the joystick port?
Or did you mean to wire it up between the all-purpose jack in the back on
the right and a serial port on the IBM?  So would I hook it up to my modem
port and use my communications software to capture text coming in, then dowload
it?
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:33:51 GMT

From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
>In article 3943@isgtec.isgtec.com, ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman) writes:
>>
>>Anyone who still thinks Gemulator is being made to convert millions
>>of IBM worshippers over to the wonderful Atari software base needs
>>some psychiatric care. He's doing it to hasten the Atari nosedive.
>>For the record, I still like the ST (actually the STe) a lot, for
>>several reasons, and have no wish for Atari to go under. Darek it
>>seems definitely wants them to go under.
>
>Uh, Ken... Did you ever think that maybe Darek built the Gemulator in order
>to try to make a few bucks?  I think perhaps you are giving him too much
>credit for his "evil, wicked, mean and nasty" reputation.  :)
>

If he strictly wanted to make money, I would have thought that a Windows
product would have been a better investment.

 - Ron Sharp.
From: jonal@dhhalden.no (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030 competes with '486dx-33
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:12:29 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <H.ea.kXNJs3zV6no@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:
>Well, I knew the Falcon030 (4M/65M hard drive configuration) was
>competing with the Mac LC II (4M/80M hard drive) in the ~$1700 range,
>but check this out...  it's also competing with high-quality '486/33
>systems!
>
>This is from a Zeos product listing.  Zeos is a very high-quality mail
>order place (1-800 numbers, 30 day no questions asked guarentee, good
>reputation, etc).
>
>VESA LocalBus system:
>[specs deleted]
>Price -> $1895.00
>
>Now, sure, this is more than the projected $1700 for the Falcon, but it
>includes the monitor (can you buy a 14" colour monitor for $195?), and
>two high-powered big-name programs.

$1700 for a Falcon?? I thought the price for a 4/65 bird was $1395. Anyway, 
have you checked the appetite those Windoze progs have on HD space? 

>cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca

Nomad

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From: Jan_Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Conner HD on a TT
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 11:14:26 +0100
Reply-To: p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet!Jan_Willekens@nextjk.wlink.nl
Distribution: world
X-FSC-PATH: 4202/12
X-FSC-PID: LED 1.00

Hi!

Yesterday, I connected a Conner RZ23L hard disk (120Mb) as the internal
hard disk to a TT (TOS 3.05, probably rev. C), but that combination doesn't
work as it should.

At bootup, after I pressed the space bar, the hard disk LED remains on and
the system doesn't see and doesn't boot from the hard disk. Now, I have
connected another SCSI hard disk through an ICD host adapter to the DMA
port of the TT, and the system does see that one and boots from it. After
the TT has exited the driver software (ICD 6.0.4) the LED of the Conner
goes out. If I then run the driver from the desktop or relog the hard
disks, the Conner is seen and mounted by the system and I can use it
perfectly. I only can not boot from it, and that is just the thing I want
to! I have put the terminator resistors on the HD, so that's not the
problem. I also have tried various jumper setting, but they didn't help.

I have heard that various problems are known when using Conner HD on TT's,
so can anyone help me out? Or does anyone have some documentation on this
Conner HD concerning the meaning of the various jumper settings??

Greetings...                                                - Jan -
          FidoNet: 2:281/202.12, UseNet: jan@nextjk.wlink.nl

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Subject: meta-comp.sys.atari.st
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:53:32 GMT

Well, I've spent a while sloshing through 200+ posts to comp.sys.atari.st
over the weekend.  Rather than reply to each and every posting with which
I have a minor disagreement, I thought I'd just write one note.  You
needn't respond unless you really feel the urge.

To Bob R. - I find your announcement of a $15 OS/2 CD-ROM interesting.
Unfortunately, I do not have a CD-ROM drive connected to my Mega ST, so
I was wondering if you could try using it on YOUR CD-ROM under PC Ditto
and let me know how it works out.  Heck, I might even save up some money
for a new CD-ROM if your report is glowing.   It's helpful hints like
these that make your postings to this newsgroup such interesting reading.

To Dave B. - Chill out.  You're becoming positively rabid in your posts
to well-meaning Atari ST users.  I did find your posting on ST Picture
Formats a refreshing change from the usual "you suck eggs" style that has
become a favorite of yours.  Remember, all the good things you've done for
Atari ST users won't mean a thing when your gone; you'll be remembered as
"That guy who hated anyone who liked the Atari ST".

As for those psychopaths out there who think that a few deaths are in
order for the Tramiel family (you know who you are), get a life.  When
you get so obsessed by inanimate electronics products that you'd even
jokingly wish doom and disaster on the people who own the company that
produces those products, you need to reassess your value system.  Or,
perhaps, you need to engage in some consensual sexual activities.  Maybe
both.

For the rest of you out there -- do you read magazines?  Newspapers?  Listen
to the radio?  Belong to an ST-oriented user group?  Are you interested in
increasing the amount of useful information which passes through this
newsgroup?  Consider the self-appointed job of Atari factfinder (not a
registered trademark, yet).  When you see new software announced, let us
know about it here.  When you hear something of interest (and I *don't*
mean stock quotes) about the ST, write about it.  If you've discovered the
perfect program to do X, write about it.  One of the hardest jobs I've had
in our user group was that of newsletter editor.  Too many people sit back
an wait for the other person to write about "How I accomplished ..."  You
can make this a more useful place, and you don't have to be too technical
(save technical stuff for postings in comp.sys.atari.st.tech).

You can regain a measure of control of this newsgroup, or you can let it
become a source of personal pleasure for folks like Chris Mauritz, who don't
even OWN an ST anymore; they just leave messages for the pure joy in watching
you squirm.

- DPZ