HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: We are all foreigners, save the NATIVE Aboriginal Canadians!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:06:39 GMT
Reply-To: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

jmaheux@asterix.drev.dnd.ca (Jean Maheux) writes:

>I don't see the point.  My French ancestors and my family have been living in
>this country for at least 350 years.  I was born here.  Two of my 
>great-grandmothers were pure aboriginals; one was a "huron" and the other one
>waw a "abenakis".  Although I'm not considered to be an Aboriginal, I'm not
>a foreigner.  If you have guilty feelings about being an European, I don't
>mind.  But don't draw such a general conclusion from what you know.  It 
>appears to me that you need to learn more things about the history of Canada.

By this argument it would seem to follow that there's nothing special
about being French Canadian (or being non-French Canadian for that matter).
And yet the only topic of interest in Canada these days (despite the fact
that are far more pressing problems at home and abroad, in my opinion)
revolves around this argument about being special.

I guess it depends how far you're willing to go back in time to draw any
separating lines. If you go back far enough then all non-natives are
surely foreigners. If you go back even farther you'll see that many of the
British whose decendents would eventually settle in Canada were of French
(Norman) extraction. So, who's special and who isn't?

Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the rights of the
whites in South Africa?

Innes
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: "Ancestral" Rights (Was: We are all foreigners...)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:46:53 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1573

From article <20AUG92.11792504.0064@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, by CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94):
> In article <BtABHM.FHq@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Robert Meunier) writes:
>>In article wL7qPB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>>
>>>Let's admit it,  we are ALL foreigners here, except the Aboriginals.
>>
>>Correction. Whe are all foreigner including Aboriginal which came from
>>Asia. Only time separate us.
> 
> Another correction.  The aboriginals here now did not come from Asia.
> Their ancestors did.  There's a *big* difference.  Saying "I have
> more rights than you, because my ancestors have been here longer,"
> is stupid.  (Not a flame -- I'm not accusing you of saying this.
> But a lot of people seem to be saying it.)
>>


  I agree it is stupid.

  It is also a fact in Quebec!

  English-speaking children in Quebec (even if they were born here!) can not
  attend English school here if their "ancestors" came after 26th August, 1977.

  English children whose "ancestors" were here before that time have more
  rights.

  p.s. I am sorry to have to keep reminding people of this issue, but while
       this injustice remains I have a social duty and responsibility to
       point it out!
-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay)
Subject: Re: Getty has made Central Canada stronger
Summary: yet another hare-brained scheme
Organization: Thinkage, Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:06:05 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>This is today...this is an agreement essentially for perpetuity...you
>don't judge the principles agreed to on the basis of how it affects
>things tomorrow, but on how they are likely to affect things in fifty
>years...this agreement abandons representation by population, the core
>principle of representative government.

Yes, what they're proprosing is rather sickening. It's okay for the present,
since it is reasonably close to the current demography, but it has the
potential to be disastrous in the future. Constitutions should
accommodate change, not deny it.

My constitutional recipe:
	-- abolish the senate
	-- strict rep/pop Parliament, with minimum (say, 3) per province
	   (1 leaves too big a chance of a province going un-represented)
	-- reto-active veto of federal legislation by the provincial
	   legislatures, say 2/3rds _OR_ representing 50% of the population.
	   E.g., if 7 provinces pass a veto (within a year (?)), the federal
	   bill is null. Certain classes of legislation could be made
	   exempt, although a unanimous provincial veto should still be effective.
	-- sprinkle with federal/provincial power re-arranging
	-- bake at 5 degrees C for 100 years
-- 
David Tanguay       dat@Thinkage.on.ca  dat@Thinkage.com  uunet!thinkage!dat
Thinkage, Ltd.           Kitchener, Ontario, Canada          [43.40N 80.47W]
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: The tentative agreement of August 19th
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:20:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.174610.2282@pandora.matrox.com> thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>With this deal, Don Getty is agreeing for perpetuity that Alberta
>>will have less than rep by pop in the House of Commons, in the
>>Senate, and on the Supreme Court (and in fact the worst representation
>>of any province on the Supreme Court).  BC and Alberta lose, lose,
>>and lose in this deal...but at least BC has a SC justice.   
>
>Oops: forgot to mention that other concession to Quebec -- guaranteed
>three of nine Supreme Court justices.  Still, I doubt that this
>is very significant.  Judges are only responsible to their consciences.
>

The Quebec justices will and can be nominated only by the premier of
Quebec...Jacques Parizeau could easily be the next premier of Quebec.

>>Central Canada, with this deal, will likely almost certainly always
>>have greater than rep by pop in the House of Commons [...]
>>With the addition seats in the Commons given to Central Canada,
>>and the threshold for Quebec, Central Canada gains power in this
>>deal in terms of raw voting power.
>
>The August 19th agreement moves the Commons closer to rep-by-pop, not
>further away (because the Quebec and Ontario are currently
>underrepresented), but it may cause Quebec to become overrepresented
>as its population share declines.
>

Ontario and Quebec TOGETHER eventually, if not now, 
will have greater representation by
population than Alberta and British Columbia...entrenched colonial
status for the far West certain to tear the country apart in the
middle of the next century...abandoning rep by pop, which is what
this agreement does in the Commons, is insanity and a recipe for
ultimate doom.  

I did look at the numbers again last night...in the short term,
the abandonment of rep by pop is not as immediate a problem as
I thought it was initially...our debt problem is a much more
immediate problem...but is time for Albertans and British
Columbians to send Getty and Harcourt to remedial mathematics
classes.

Gerald
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: "F/E" versus "Bienvenue/Welcome": Update
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:06:45 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <CLAMEN.92Aug16082311@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.231921.15668@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>
>     New Update: Quebec Gov.'s "Welcome" message to tourists is in
>     no less than 9 languages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>     Harry Schick (Viennese pastry shop in Pt. Claire) is being
>     prosecuted for having multilingual "Welcome" on his windows.
>
>     Apparently, so long as the "principle" message is in French
>     only, you can put whatever you like!
>
>     Anyone care to try to explain this stupid law now?
>
>By explain I hope you don't mean justify.
>
>Here is the probable explanation.  The law says that the French part
>of an outdoor sign must predominate.  If French is included with nine
>other languages, it most probably does not occupy the majority
>position on the sign (just plurality).
>
No, the law says that French must predominate on indoor signs, while
outdoor signs must be in French only.  That's the general rule,
though there are exceptions.

I was going to do a posting tring to explain the law, since there
seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what it says.  After
doing some research, I found that you have to consider the law,
then the accompanying regulations which specify more precisely
concepts defined vaguely in the law, then the Commission de
protection's policies on how to apply the laws and regulations,
and on and on.  I finally decided it wasn't worth the trouble.
If few people understand the law, it's because it's intrinsically
difficult to understand.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Has Denis Been Struck Mute?was: Has Your Busy Schedule Kept You From This - Denis? was Re: How about this - Denis!?
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:34:52 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

Tom (Gray) : 
You're annoying me.  I don't see why I shall respond to your texts.
I already said I found your articles and opinions inspired from some
kind of racism.  I don't see why I should take time to translate
what you wrote (yes, I have to make an effort to read your article,
but you made no effort to write them in French).  The day _you_
(not another translating for you) will write in French, that day
I will answer you.


-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Vient de paraitre : Andre Jarret et ses Ancetres
\_.-===  En vente par l'auteur                      Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: can.vlsi
From: tapas@pooh.engr.mun.ca (Tapas Banerjee)
Subject: Analog pad in CMOS3DLM cell library
Summary: Do we have an analog pad in CMOS3DLM library
Keywords: analog pad, CMOS3DLM
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:39:10 GMT

  I was wondering whether there is any analog input or output pad in CMOS3DLM cell
library - as we have analog.n and all for CMOS4S.

  Please e-mail me the response or post it in this newsgroup.

  Thanks in advance.

   -  TAPAS
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Newsgroups: can.jobs,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: (Agency) Assistant Logging Engineers\Entry Level\Vancouver\Campbelle
From: jtrumbull@coast.almanac.bc.ca (Jim Trumbull    )
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:00:01 PDT
Distribution: bc
Organization: Coast Personnel Services Ltd., Nanaimo, B.C.

Reference # JO820

Our Client company is looking for two entry level assistant engineers (logging)
to work out of Vancouver and Campbell River BC.  These positions involve
helicopter logging.

Duties: Under the guidance of the Area Engineer, the assistant engineers will
have the opportunity to gain broad and indepth experience of all aspects of the
profession.  Initially tackling cut block and road layout, as well as basic
contract supervision and completing government agency applications, they will
progress at their own pace to challenges of increasing complexity.  They will
also be able to see the results of their planning via involvement in all stages
projects.

The ideal candidates will have a degree or diploma in Forestry, harvesting
option preferable, perhaps but not essentially - backed by one to three years
experience.  Being ambitious and motivated, they will be looking for superior
work experience, compensation and advancement prospects.

Should you be interested in these positions, please forward your resume to:

jtrumbull@coast.almanac.bc.ca   Jim Trumbull
Coast Personnel Services Ltd., 103 - 65 Front Street, Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5H9
Personnel Placement for Western Canada, From the Heart of Vancouver Island
1-604-753-4465 (Voice)                                 1-604-753-2278 (Fax)
From: Alan_York@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan York)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: MAC Opportunities in Vancouver
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:30:16 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

We have 2 positions available for support over the next 5 or so months.

1.  MAC support.  Knowledge of Desktop Publishing, P/C knowledge and LAN an
asset.

2.  MAC Support.  Troubleshooting hardware and software problems on pre-press
systems. Expereince producing full colour brochure and 100+ page books and
manuscripts an asset.

Since I will be out of town this week. please call Jan York at 294-9193
directly. Say you saw it on ML so she knows where you are coming from. And
PLEASE leave a message if she is out when you call.

--
==============================================================================
 From:  Alan B. York              |  Dynamic Datacorp People
        alan_york@mindlink.bc.ca  |  Vancouver, B.C., Canada    604/294-9193
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Newsgroups: can.jobs,misc.jobs.offered,comp.jobs
Subject: *Agency* Computer Systems Sales Person\UNIX\IBM\Victoria\Accounting 
From: vincew@coast.almanac.bc.ca (Vincent Willden       )
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:31:38 PDT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Coast Personnel Services Ltd., Nanaimo, B.C.

Reference # JO819

*******************************Please Note**************************************
We are an employer fee paid firm; there is no charge to candidates.  Companies
pay our fees to provide them with qualified, experienced personnel.  Therefore,
we are unable to assist recent grads in their search for gainful employment
unless they have previous industry experience.  Canadian candidates and/or
landed immigrant status candidates with work permits will be given first
consideration for employment.
********************************************************************************

Our client requires a computer systems sales person.  They are a well
established Victoria company that offers an excellent opportunity in integrated
solutions sales to mid and large size businesses on Vancouver Island.  The
ideal candidate has previous sales experience in a UNIX, IBM environment with
an accounting and software solutions background.

Company benefits.  Reside mid-island or Victoria.  $45,000 - $75,000.

Contact Vincent Willden in confidence:

vincew@coast.almanac.bc.ca   Vincent Willden
Coast Personnel Services Ltd., 103 - 65 Front Street, Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5H9
Personnel Placement for Western Canada, From the Heart of Vancouver Island
1-604-753-4465 (Voice)                                 1-604-753-2278 (Fax)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
From: grant@reg.triumf.ca (Peter A. Grant)
Subject: Systems Support position - Vancouver
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:06:00 GMT


I've heard that Westech Information Systems Inc is looking for a Systems
Support person to work for BC Hydro.  I haven't seen the ad, but it would
be responsible for more of the hardware side of things:  ordering, testings,
and installing PC products.  Setting up software environments, and some 
networking stuff.  Some UNIX experience would be good too, as they are all
connected to a Sun, and an IBM mainframe.

University degree or technical diploma, and experience required.  The type
of salary range is from $3,100.

Their address is:

    Westech Information Systems Ltd
    Human Resources Department
    9th Floor - 1045 Howe Street
    Vancouver, BC
    V6Z 2B1

They haven't put an ad out yet, but I know they're trying to fill this 
contract with BC Hydro.


Peter Grant           ////////  ///////  ////////  //    //  //    //  ////////
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                                               Canada's National Meson Facility
__________________________________________ _        Vancouver, British Columbia

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From: Linda_Richards@mindlink.bc.ca (Linda Richards)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: Re: Any magazines out there??
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:28:42 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

> lavackm@wl.aecl.ca writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <4AUG92.14331673@wl.aecl.ca>
> Posted: Tue, 4 Aug 1992 20:33:16
> 
> Org.  : AECL RESEARCH
> 
> 
> 
>         I was wondering if there is a magazine that is dedicated solely
> (or close to) for providing job postings across Canada?  This would help
> immensely wouldn't you say?
> 
> M.E.L.
> 


I don't know of one, but with enough interest we could do one.

--
"The fact is--nothing comes, at least nothing good. All has to be fetched."
Charles BuxtonLinda_Richards@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: can.jobs
From: makortoff@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: job position (HVAC CAD Tech.)
Followup-To: bc.general
Reply-To: Makortoff@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:13:56 GMT

Hello there, I am posting this for Duncan & Associates Engineering, where I
am currently a Co-op Student.  They do not have access to the Net so I 
offered to post this for them.

Job position available for a Mechanical Engineering Technologist.

Requierments are as follows:

Completion of a Mechanical Engineering Technology program, proficiency 
in AutoCAD 11, exposure to bulding mechanical systems (HVAC, plumbing, 
fire protection) an assett.  
Salary: $2000 - $2400 per month permanent full-time

Note:

This position is initially going to consist of AutoCAD drafting, leading 
to a design/drafting position with experience.

Please forward your resume to:

Duncan and Associates Engineering Ltd.
324 terminal Ave. Nanaimo BC
V9R 5C8
Phone: 753-9106  Fax: 753-9313
Contact Person:  Scott Nicholson

This Position is Immediate so fax your resume or phone for more information.  
You may also use me as a means of information on this position.

Thanks,

Myles Makortoff
From: Norbert_Papke@mindlink.bc.ca (Norbert Papke)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: Re: please include salary ranges
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:41:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

> T. Kim Nguyen writes:
> > If at all possible, please include salary ranges in your job postings.
> Phrases such as "excellent remuneration" provide little useful
> information.  For more information on guidelines for job postings,
> please see the occasionally-posted "reminder" messages in
> misc.jobs.offered.

I agree that seeing a salary range would be nice.  However, can.jobs has its
own guidelines which aren't necessarily the same as the ones in
misc.jobs.offered :).  BTW, what is the policy for can.jobs?

--
Norbert Papke (Norbert_Papke@mindlink.bc.ca)
Prince Rupert Grain Ltd.
900 - 1055 West Hastings St.
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Newsgroups: can.jobs,ont.jobs
From: kim@phaedrus.jts.com (T. Kim Nguyen )
Subject: please include salary ranges
Reply-To: kim@watnow.waterloo.edu
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:21:32 GMT

If at all possible, please include salary ranges in your job postings.
Phrases such as "excellent remuneration" provide little useful
information.  For more information on guidelines for job postings,
please see the occasionally-posted "reminder" messages in
misc.jobs.offered.
-- 
T. Kim Nguyen					    kim@jts.com
Systems Design Engineer			   uunet.ca!jts.com!kim
JTS Computer Systems Ltd., Toronto      kim@watnow.waterloo.edu
Newsgroups: can.jobs,ont.jobs,comp.jobs,misc.jobs.offered
From: gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan)
Newsgroups: atl.olympics
Subject: Re: Events
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:03:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

> Equestrian Events:  Determined but unkown - someone update

  I have a cousin who's into real estate.  Her "inside" information says
that the Equestrian stuff will be in the Rockdale/Newton County area.  There's
some large area down there that is suppose to be ideal for it.  I have no idea
what the name of it is or how much work will have to be done on it or any 
other specifics for that matter.

Ben...
 
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Benjamin H. Cowan                       || Reply to: gt2807a@prism.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech... Atlanta, Georgia  30332 || 
================================================================================

           "I don't believe there is a man, woman, or child alive
                   that doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage."
                                                        --Dave
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: atl.olympics
Subject: Re: How do you get ticks for atl olympics?
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:17:00 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

control@atl.olympics writes:
: 
: Idiots@emory.edu write:
: 
:   chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
:    : labdk@emory.edu (Davo) writes:
: 
: TAKE IT TO ALT.FLAMES.  YOUR DRIVEL IS GOING ALL OVER GEORGIA.
: BETTER YET TAKE IT TO EMAIL, YOU ARE BOTH ON THE SAME DAMN SYSTEM,
: WHY WASTE PROCESSER TIME AND BANDWIDTH ACROSS A HUGE COMPUTER NETWORK
: TO TRADE SPELLING CORRECTIONS ???

Dear control@atl.olympics,

You are referring to a long forgotten story. The differences
between me and Davo over"spelling" were resolved long ago(refer
to my article titled'Sorry Davo'). You need to consider apologizing
to me and Davo for referring to us as *idiots@emory.edu*. Who ever you
are, you have no business to call us idiots. 

---Sree.
From: re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST)
Newsgroups: atl.olympics
Subject: Re: What do you think about "Whatizit?"
Summary: gotta hava dog
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:14:19 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <65648@hydra.gatech.EDU>, snm@prism.gatech.EDU (Sathis Menon) writes:
> Must be a pickup truck. Yeah, that's the ticket!!!. How could I have been
> so blind?

Sathis, you are so right.  What an opportunity lost!

They could have put the little dog from Barcelona in the back and driven it to
Cherokee County.


-- 
"With all these exceptions, who needs rules?"
 - RUSSELL EARNEST     Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!re4
ARPA: re4@prism.gatech.edu
Xref: sparky atl.general:274 ca.general:1030
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: atl.general,sf.general,ca.general
Subject: monving to San Fransisco?
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:17:45 GMT

Need Information Please-
I have an interview in San Francisco, and need info on cost of living,
places to live (roommates?), usenet access, any good details-
thanks (please e-mail)
Newsgroups: atl.general,talk.politics.misc
From: barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: Clinton in Atlanta on Wednesday?
Reply-To: barrett@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:48:03 GMT

Does anyone have info on appearances by Clinton and Gore (both Mr. and Mrs.
each) in Atlanta on Wednesday?  I've heard something about them working
with Habitat for Humanity, but I didn't know when and where.  All info
appreciated!


------------------OS/2 v2.0 -- Why settle for anything less?--------------------
James C. Barrett (barrett@cc.gatech.edu)| "If your so damned smart, why are
Georgia Tech College of Computing       |   you doing what your doing, and I'm
                                        |   president of the U.S.?" - G.Bush