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From: brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:29:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


Interesting analysis by Raj. Of course the truth is that, generally
speaking, VHP/BJP have no genuine sense of history (other than
emotionalism at best) and no vision of India's destiny as a nation
in the world community. 

I agree with Raj's recourse to mythology however. Of course it is 
quite another thing that in a Rama Rajya the Kalyan Singh
government's, or the VHP's defiance of the Law as laid down by
the Supreme Court would have met with swift and condign punishment
as surely as Rama's arrows fly straight. 

I am sorry to say that VHP and BJP haven't the foggiest conception
of Rama or Krishna. About the only thing we can expect from that lot
is a combination of post-Krishna Dark Ages and post-Rama obscurity
for the nation. 

Bapa Rao
From: deepak@konark.njit.edu (Albatross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Tourists Rescued From Stranded Cable Car in Kalka
Keywords: Cable Car Rescue
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:05:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Oct16.160517.21751
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct16.132935.648@ulysses.att.com> bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Kri
>
>apnews reports:
>	   CHANDIGARH, India (AP) _ Five tourists who had dangled thousands
>of feet above ground in the Himalayas for two days in a stranded
>cable car were rescued by helicopter Thursday, ending an ordeal
>that killed one person.
>	   Five other Indian tourists were hoisted to safety aboard a
	                     ..
			     ..
			     ..

>	   The car slid down the third cable at a speed of 270 mph and
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>became entangled in the knotted and severed cables at the midpoint
>of the 1.2-mile line, officials said.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Correct me if I'm wrong. If the car slid down the cable at a speed of
270 mph, it would have taken 16 seconds to reach the other end given
that the cable was 1.2 miles long. Is this what happened or were this
figures made up????

--
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E15WNJTPXE15x280WXR1TL21NXL4TL17NXR10TL->    **    Those who can, DO
You can tune a guitar, but you cant tuna fish.**    Those who cant, TEACH.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 20:45:28 CDT
From: Shyamala Parameswaran <U11983@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Feminist Problem
 <92283.125405U15297@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Oct11.235516.19936@massey.ac.nz>


In article <1992Oct11.235516.19936@massey.ac.nz>, J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J.
Ainikkal) says:
>
>On SCI a symbol can say more than the three paragraphs that U have
>written.

Really?  Like the symbols U use? And get so much matter
across?

>I did not set any rules on SCI. If U have problems with my writing
>style - its your problem not mine. There is one thing I do not do
>i.e. jump on related topics and poke fun of people (almost like
>stabbing in the back - disgusting).

No. All U do is mouth stuff that is, of course, sweet music
and infinite wisdom.

>Most of U think that I am making an attack against womyn. Just
>'cause the people I am responding to are womyn. This does not mean
>I am either a) provoking womyn, b) or being anti-feminist.
>All I was arguing against was statements like a) "indians are less
>evolved" and b) "indian womyn in India are unhappy".
>
>BTW, what does "respondurangan" mean? We do not speak 'American'
>here. And do me a favour - I would personally prefer U ignoring me

Well, if U do not speak American, U'll either have to learn
or continue reading the posts written 'behind U'r back' - U'll
get to know, finally.

Just as U can write what U write and we have to put up with it,
U'll just have to put up with my writing, won't U U U U U????
If U can't, it's U'r problem, not mine. Like U said?

Shyamala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sinha@n7.math.umn.edu (Samarendra Sinha)
Subject: Re: Books Needed.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:28:38 GMT

In article <sbhati86.718834583@ursa> sbhati86@ursa.calvin.edu (Sanjay Bhatia)  
writes:
> Hi everyone,
> 	I would like to get some books and request you for your help
> in getting the same.
> 	I need some book(s) that contain the stories from the
> Mahabharat in AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE.  Alos, I know that this is
> going to be a very big book or maybe even several volumes.  But I am
> looking for a book with the complete story of the Mahabharat.
> 	Some of you might have these books that you may want to sell.
> I will accept any reasonable offer.  
> 	Thank You.
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 			WIDE AWAKE IN AMERICA ...
> Sanjay Bhatia	     		|   Calvin College Computer Center
> 1306, Bemis St. SE   		|   sbhati86@ursa.calvin.edu

See the book  "Mahabharata" by C. Rajgopalachary. I highly recommend this book.
I can't tell you where to get it from. But it should not be that hard to  
procure it even here. It is not a very big book but unbelievable as it may  
seem, it contains all the stories in detail. It is needless to say that it is  
very well-written. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: tss@unislc.uucp (Srinivasan Thothathri)
Subject: d
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Looking fo the audio cassettes of Indian music. 
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:46:26 GMT
Keywords: CASSTTES, INDIAN MUSIC

Hi fellow Indians,

	Can you please drop some addresses in U.S from where I can get

	1. Classical Indian Music ( Carnatic and Hindustani)

	2. Cinema songs (in all south Indian languages)


Srinivasan Thothathri.
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Muslims will start an Armed Rebellion
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.184052.26024@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>                  MUSLIMS WILL START AN ARMED REBELLION
>                  =====================================
>                
>
>The following is one of the speeches delivered by the President of
>ISLAMIC SWAYAMSEVAK SANGH. This has been published in Jagrithi CENTRE SPREAD
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	The very name suggests where these muslim fundementalists got the
	idea. It is obvious that the inspiration must have come from the
	Hindu fundamentalist organisation RASHTRIYA SWAYAMSEVAK SANGH. And the
	'PAKISTANI SPIES' may be utilising this opportunity.

	It is the ill-concieved notion by RSS of making India an Hindu
	theocratic state that results in this kind of reaction from other
	minority groups. If RSS continues in the same ideological path
	we may have not just ISS, but CHRISTIAN SWAYAMSEVAK SANGH also soon.

	The result will be suffering of gullible mass of all the communities
	and creation of hatred against each others, but none of these
	self styled organisations will achieve their goals. The RSS 
	propagadists are not going to achieve anything by posting this kind of
	unpopular articles from their organisational mouthpieces.
 
>(Sep 21-27 issue). ISS is particularly notorious for its anti-Indian activities

	May be as notorious as its 'Hindu' conterpart's 'pro-India' activities.

>Recently there was a furore in the parliament over the involvement of Pakistani
>diplomats visits to KERALA and the tensions which prevailed in Kerala.  THESE
>TWO ORGANISATIONS ARE RALLYING THE MUSLIMS FUNDAMENTALIST MOVEMENT IN KERALA.
>The rhetoric with which the chief of ISS has declared the ideologies of
>ISS is itself a proof of the true picture of ISS.
>
>  This is my second posting on activties of ISS and its grand plan of 
>  converting KERALA into muslim country. The final of this series is 
	
	This looks as ridiculous as making India an Hindu theocratic state.

>  an article on PAKISTANI SPIES and their activities in KERALA. This article
>  too will be posted soon.

	Some informed souls from Kerala may enlighten more on this issue.
>
>Source: Jagrithi
>Dated : 21-27 Sep'92
>Article: MUSLIMS WILL START AN ARMED REBELLION
>Translator : Indu (from Telugu to English)

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>Original by: Abdul Nazar Moududi, President Islamic Swayamsevak Sangh
>
>

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From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa,rec.humor
Subject: Re: FBI-seized cars ---- worth buying ?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:04:34 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov

In article <1992Oct7.130533.190@indyvax.iupui.edu> harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.014615.21375@usl.edu>, sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>> 1. Is there any "catch" in such offers ?
>
>Just watch out for the ones with the crack between the seats.  :-}

	er...actually what does one do if there is a crack in one's seat ??

	:-) 	:-) 	:-) 	:-) 	:-)      :-) 	:-) 	:-) 	:-)k 

	Prem!
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: CHECK OUT SCIT!!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 06:02:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


all of you guys who read soc.culture.indian should also read
soc.culture.indian.telugu. the guys out there are touching new lows on
obscenities. 



i am happy with the proceedings though


suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Fall in India
From: ravishan@swan.wesleyan.edu (Ganesan Ravishanker)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:46:16
Organization: Wesleyan University



Hi

We got into an interesting discussion on how the Fall colors are so
beautiful in New England and all that and we were interested in knowing if
anything of this sorts exists in any part of India. I have not travelled
much in India except the South (where seasons are hardly distinguishable),
so I am ignorant about the other parts of India. I would love to hear from
anyone who has seen or heard about it. Thanks in advance.


Ravi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa,rec.humor
From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
Subject: Re: FBI-seized cars ---- worth buying ?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:28:09 GMT

>In article <1992Oct7.130533.190@indyvax.iupui.edu> harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.014615.21375@usl.edu>, sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>>
>>Just watch out for the ones with the crack between the seats.  :-}
> 
>	er...actually what does one do if there is a crack in one's seat ??


Well, if you're Bill Clinton, it's okay as long as you don't inhale.  :)

-> Joe <-


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: A Feminist Problem
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:40:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.121144.21458@lut.ac.uk> lssk@lut.ac.uk (S Karnavar) writes:
>  If Sunanda Subrahmanian writes a scholarly paper, half the credit goes to
>Subrahmanian without any contribution from his side whatsoever. When Subrahma-
>nian writes his article the full credit rests with him. There is no sharing.


This problem is only for the tamilians.   Its not so for the huge majority
on this planet...  As for changing over to the husbands surname, well that
is a very confusing matter.  We telugu people had a long discussion on this
in our emailnetwork. (before SCIT was formed)...


>I should like to point out that this is unfair by all means. Women should have
>their own names and it should be consistent.
>
>Somasekhar



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/An
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:26:29 GMT
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Khalid) writes:

>Muslim men are allowed to take a second, third, fourth wife on the condition
>that all are treated equally in terms of looking after, money, time. If these
>conditions are not met then the man should not take another wife. If he does
>and treats one unfairly then he will be caught on this on the day of judgement
>and will be punished, so it is in his own interests not to abuse the system.

Rukhsana Merchant posted the following verses on SCP:

>         "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly
>         with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three,
>         or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal
>         justly (with them), then (marry) only one..." (Qur'an 4:3)    ... (1)
> 
>         "You are never able to be fair and just as between women
>         even if it is your ardent desire...."  (Qur'an 4:129)         ... (2)

This seems to indicate that polygamy is NOT permitted.  Some posters on
SCP say that the first verse is for those who were not Muslims, had many 
wives and wanted to convert to Islam.

-- Milind Saraph
From: raghu@hal.COM (Raghu Sakleshpur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:22:28 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.hal.com


A boy and a girl can very well be friends. It depends on the 

definition of "friends" actually...

-raghu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33587 soc.culture.indian.telugu:501
From: dharam@wpi.WPI.EDU (Dharmendra Khanolkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Looking 4: Satish K. Reddy (In Canada) (From Secunderabad)
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:12:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct12.003459.10330@njitgw.njit.edu> reddy@cis.njit.edu (reddy) writes:

>	Hi()
>	{
>	if (you know a guy named, Satish K. Reddy (Tall, Slim) who is supposed 
>	    2 be in CANADA. And he is from Secunderabad, AP, India..)
>	then (Please inform me : Just type "r" to reply, Thanx!!)
>	else (Please ignore)
>	};
>	Kishore Reddy

>#include "std_disclaimer.h"
>________________________________________________________________________________
>	Kishore P. Reddy	Parallel and Distributed Computing Laboratory

Your 

main() 

	is missing Mr. 'Parallel and Distributed Computing Laboratory'

Wait till Doki reads your stupid post you morAn...!!
-- 
Here it comes......

--dhamu
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:09:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct13.122047@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>
>Kashmir should never have been accepted in to the union
>with special privileges in the first place. It should have been accorded the
>same status as the rest of the states in the union. 

Yes, you are right.


>If Kashmir was to be
>stripped of its special status, the same policy must be applied to all states
>and should result in the similar stripping down of privileges accorded to
>Nagaland etc.


Agreed. All inner line permits in effect in Nagaland, Mizoram and Arunachal
Pradesh must also be removed.


Samit



>
>--Javed.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: sivabala@milton.u.washington.edu (Siva Bala Narayanan)
Subject: Request for Translation of Kannada Story
Reply-To: sivabala@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:24:56 GMT



I remember reading the translation of a kannada short story in the net.
It was about a person going to an 'untouchable' eye doctor and repenting
it later. Can someone e-mail me a copy of the story?

Thanks in advance

Siva
sivabala@u.washington.edu
From: kannan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kannan Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:53:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Mr. Premkumar M.P. of Bozeman, Montana, I have tried my damnedest not to barge 
into your exchanges with various net.people, but seeing that I've failed, here's
my piece. 

You have no doubt gathered that your assessment of the woes of Indian women 
at the hands of Indian men on Indian college campuses, Indian public transport 
systems, Indian cities, Indian street corners, Indian movie halls, well, 
basically in India, differs from a similar assessment of the same by Indian 
women themselves. The said same Indian women seem to encounter less grief here 
in our chosen land of graduate schools. Some have gone on to say in no 
uncertain terms that this country is better than ours when it comes to the
treatment of women. And you have a problem with that?

It is _their_ assessment, Mr. Premkumar M.P. (of Bozeman, Montana). It is
supported by _their_ personal experiences. Given that these experiences are
from day-to-day living over some 20+ years, they constitute a far greater
validation of their assessment of the status quo than some piecemeal quotation 
of crime statistics can yours. The status of women in our society is hardly 
revealed by the number of rapes reported or cases of harassment or "eve 
teasing" or comparing the numbers in different countries. Sure, for every 
example of harassment, you can cite some chivalrous deed as a counter example. 
Or point to our various women goddesses (including Indira Gandhi). But to 
find out about the horse, you must have it from its mouth. 

So it would seem to me, that if your intent is to find out about the status of
women in two different societies, your best bet would be to go and ask women 
who have lived in the midst of both. And _listen_ to them. Instead, you seem to 
be bent on dismissing their claims as 'generalizations' and even denying their 
truth. Attacking generalizations is a pointless exercise. It is not so 
difficult to ignore them while assimilating the substance or reasons behind 
them. 

(If it is their vehemence that bothers you, you're out of luck. Women are 
entitled to their vehemence. As a man, you should know better than to mess
with their wrath - do you not know that hell hath no fury like a woman 
scorned?)

And finally, to bitterly (or otherwise) criticise some aspects of life back 
home is not tantamount to lack of patriotism. If it _is_ in your book, you
might be well advised to keep your chin strap buckled for it is none of 
your business or mine to tell somebody how patriotic or not she or he is.   

No offense. 

kannan subramanian
From: rajiv.khanna@p2222.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (rajiv khanna)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for an Apartment in Fairfax, Virginia or nearby
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 00:14:00 -0500

To: kgj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Kiran G. Jain)
Hi! I live practically next door to Fairfax in Arlington. Look up Sunday edition
of The Washington Post.  There are zillions of share arrangements available. 
Feel free to give me a call if you have specific questions.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram)
Subject: Re: MORE ABOUT INDIA / INDIAN WOMEN ARE TREATED FAR BETTER THAN HERE.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:46:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.144229.3469@meaddata.com> udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz) writes:
>In article <1ath1lINNif7@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>
>|> hers at all. Apart from that it's only in South Asia and in Israel that
>|> women have become leaders of their countries. Compare that to the state
>|> here, where people are averse to having a woman as a Vice-President too
>|> so much are they against women here.
>
>The only reason, that India had a women Prime minister, is because she was 
>the only next-of-kin of the dead prime minister. The political party could

<lots of stuff deleted>

India has a long tradition of women in politics.  A woman in politics
commands as much or more respect as does a man.  There have been many
women MLAs in all the states and women governors are common.  This
type of participation and acceptance was there even before India gained
Independence.  And in the case of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, she had an active
role in politics much before her father's death.  Also, notice that she
did not become the prime minister immediatly after Nehru's death, but 
much later.  This shows that she had inborn qualities that shaped her
career without denying the fact that it helped in no small way that she
was Nehru's daughter.

>not even come up with a suitable replacement. The fact that they tried to drag
>the previous prime-minister' widow and daughter into, it, too is evidence to
>this. Maybe you could compare the number of women in politics, over here, to
>those in India. Maybe you could come up with something more realistic.

May be ....  

Suresh
From: shankar@are.Berkeley.EDU (Shankar Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MORE ABOUT INDIA / INDIAN WOMEN ARE TREATED FAR BETTER THAN HERE.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:25:57 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

In article <1b1mghINNlj5@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct08.013505.110934@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha02.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>
>
>you see the statistics for this nation you will find that every 15 minutes
>there is a woman being raped here in the U.S.. As well as the fact that in
>every 5 minutes there is a child dying of starvation here again in U.S..
       ********************************

Perhaps there are still readers out there who are unaware of the fact
that India has extremely high infant and child mortality rates 
infant mortality (<1 year) 96/1000 live births
child mortality  (<5 years) 145/1000  live births

for comparison, the corresponding figures are
for Iran  50/1000 and 64/1000
for China 31/1000 and 43/1000
for Cuba  11/1000 and 14/1000

Most Indians in the US come from urban areas in India where mortality rates
are much lower and are could well be ignorant of how high these are in rural
areas.

Shankar Subramanian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:55:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


Murtugudde says:

> What is important is after the girl and guy cease to be "JUST FRIENDS", one
> of them should start issuing denials of all kind to everybody he/she comes
> across. If there is a juicy story associated with the break-up then it will
> add to the credibility of the denial of whatever is being denied. Most
> probably denials should be spread for all anticipated rumors of goings
> on between these "JUST FRIENDS". People are going to talk about them
> during the phase of "JUST FRIENDSHIP" and then when things go sour for
> whatever reason, the same people will beat their chest and say, 'Ah, ha.
> I knew something was going on.' 
> So, the question is never whether a girl and a guy can be just friends, but
> how they handle the associated public perception. Nobody will ever know 
> exactly what goes on between "JUST FRIENDS" if they are of opposite sex
> or even the same sex for that matter.
> Raghu
> PS: I deny having anything to do with the above posting and I was always
>     "JUST FRIENDS" with everybody I know.

sounds very much like a personal story but well we'll surely believe
your PS.




suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian