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From: teplitz@optilink.UUCP (Ron Teplitz)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Nikon FA Multipattern Metering...?
Keywords: Matrix Metering, Nikon FA
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:41:59 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

Just having purchased a Nikon FA, I'm wondering if there is any reference
that describes how its multipattern metering works, and how to use it to 
best advantage.  The manual that comes with the camera just gives a few
examples and comments, and seems to attribute impossible capabilities to 
that type of metering.  Any info will be appreciated. Thanks. 

-- 
Ron Teplitz - Tech Writer/Cellist
UUCP:   uunet!optilink!teplitz	Internet: teplitz@optilink.com 
"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so". D. Adams
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Photo Trip: Where to stay at Grand Canyon 
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:43:18 GMT

Lose amongst the exciting Q&A of what to shoot at Grand Canyon, I forgot
to ask where to stay?  Is Angel Lodge all right (cheapest inside)?  If so,
is it easy to book this time of the year?  How about other places?
Please describe your accomodation experience. 

Also, the Canyon paper said don't lock your valuable in the car.  Where do
I put it, in the room (where there is a risk that dishonest motel employee 
might be tempted to take them)?  I would think the car is safer since unless 
somebody break your car window, nobody is going to know what expansive 
camera equipment you have. 

Thanks in advance.
From: fst@doc.ic.ac.uk (Frank Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Lab Screw-Up!
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:06:54 GMT
	<1992Apr7.034105.4459@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK

In article <1992Apr7.034105.4459@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:

>   Still, somebody should look into the idea of "insured processing" where the
>   lab assumes a much higher liability (say up to $1000) in cases of clear
>   errors (not just differences of opinion about how a print should look).
>   Of course this would cost more.

I use a cheap and cheerful postal lab here in the UK. The fine print
on the envelopes to send film away in says that value of the film is
merely that of the physical film and no more. They also say that if
the pictures on the film are of a higher value (as the original post
claimed, due to the cost in getting the shot and a deadline), then
special arrangements can be made with the lab to get insurance.

As far as I see it, that is a very reasonable situation. Mistakes will
always be made so it up to the customer to decide how much they want
to spend to try to reduce any possible problem.

Just my little say, from election torn Blighty. OK so the election is
over but the analysis continues :-(

Frank.

| Frank Taylor -- FAST Project -- DoC -- Imperial College -- London           |
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|                                 <fst@doc.ic.ac.uk>  +44 (71) 589 5111 x5033 |
From: liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: B&H: Please help!
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:04:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr14.015004.4065@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@flash.UUCP (Jason Chen) writes:
>
>BTW, I recently ordered a Sigma 70-210 APO. But I am rather dissappointed 
>in finding out that they shipped me one without the "Zen" finish. I will
>see if I can get this problem corrected.


  You actually WANT one with the ZEN finish?!!!  Have you noticed that
the Zen finish lenses are all a bit cheaper than the other lenses.  I
have 2 sigma lenses with the Zen finish and I hate them.  It's nothing
but a cheap, dull looking rubber-plastic that is not at all easy to
hold.  In fact, the Zen finish really like to attract dust.  This
"Zen" finish crap has got to rank right up there with the best
Canon-Minolta yuppie advertizing slogans.  (nothing can beat the EOS
Elan's ability to allow you to experience "oneness" however.  Even
with Zen finish you can at best expect to experience
one-and-a-quarter-ness.)   It's no big deal if you have it, just don't
let anybody know what it's called.  If they sent you one without it,
count it as a blessing.

Zen and art of lens maintenance NOT.
From: leet@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Tzu-en Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Question on EOS 10S and ELAN
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:13:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am considering to buy either a Canon EOS 10S or a Canon EOS ELAN.  For some
reason, I got the impression that 10S is a more advanced camera than ELAN, yet
the price difference (NYC mail order, body only) is minimal.  Why is this the
case?  Is my impression incorrect, or does ELAN carry some special features? 
Any suggestion or advice about these two cameras?

Also, any suggestion on a good reliable mail order store?

Thanks in advance.

Alex Lee
Axle the Coop
Newsgroups: rec.photo,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject:  Canon Xapshot help !!!!!
Summary: Xapshot Wanted
Keywords: Xapshot wanted
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:26:26 GMT



  I am looking to purchase a Canon Xapshot through mail order.
  Need to know where canI get it from at a reasonable price and
  more important a new one (not a used one in cognito)
  Someone earlier posted a list/survey of reasonable camera retailers/    
  mail-order places. I would appreciate if I can get a copy.
  
  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
  Thanx alot in advance.

  Mubashir


Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bgbauer@watcgl.waterloo.edu (ben bauer)
Subject: Re: 20000
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:54:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.082758.1767@memstvx1.memst.edu> rtsmohd@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>
>
>CAN ANYONE HELP ME !!!
>
>	
>	I've a Yashica Samurai X4.0 camera (compact 35mm auto-focus SLR
>            ...
>My questions are:  What should I do if there's no minilab in my area 
>		   that can print half-frame 35mm film ?
>		:  Do I have to rewind the film after I've used only 
>		   half of the roll of the film ?


Some labs will print the negs "two-up" on a single 4X6 print
but this will, in general yield unacceptable results since each
frame should be corrected individually for density and colour.
Find a local lab, where the operator seems on the ball and
suggest that if they set up properly, you might bring them a few
films a year.  The lens to print 1/2frame to a 3 1/2 X 5  is the
same lens as to print a full frame to 5X7 ( on systems with 
changeable printing lenses). The mask of course is different,
but could be just a modified 135 full mask with appropriate
black tape added.  If you can find a lab with a Noritsu 701,
let me know and I'll give you the instructions on how to
create a channel.

Do not rewind your film early, just wait for the auto rewind to 
kick in ... you should get about 50 shots on a "24 exp" roll.

When Yashica resurrected the half frame format a few years
ago, they were actually subsidizing labs here in Canada to
accept the format.  If a similar plan was available in your
state, then perhaps you could find out from Yashica which
labs are suitable.  If not, I suggest you try a warehouse
type lab, as they generally have provisions for unusual stuff.

Xref: sparky rec.photo:6813 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:3503
From: daugherty@aedc-vax.af.mil (Tom Daugherty A11442 x4647)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Canon Xapshot help !!!!!
Summary: Xapshot Wanted
Keywords: Xapshot wanted
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: aedc-vax.7APR199214584645
Followup-To: rec.photo
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arnold Engineering Development Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <mac1.702617186@Ra.MsState.Edu>, mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes...>

>  I am looking to purchase a Canon Xapshot through mail order.
>  Need to know where canI get it from at a reasonable price and
>  more important a new one (not a used one in cognito)
>  Someone earlier posted a list/survey of reasonable camera retailers/    
>  mail-order places. I would appreciate if I can get a copy.
>  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>  Thanx alot in advance.



I would also appreciate any info on the Xapshot as well as 
any info on compatibility with Amiga software, hardware, DigaView, 
etc.

Thanks

Tom Daugherty
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Re: Sigma 21-35 vs 24-50 
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:29:01 GMT

From article <1992Apr14.060509.26503@a.cs.okstate.edu>, by ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG):
> Has anyone tried both lenses?
> 
> On one hand the 24-50 is not only (a lot) cheaper, takes 52mm filter (I 
> already has a 52mm Nikon Cir Polarizer), and compact, but then the 21-35 
> is supposed to be a "acclaimed" lens, saw somewhere that it is the 
> "European Lens of the Year", and has a wider angle-of-view (yes, for my 
> Grand Canyon trip again).

Thank to all who replied via posting and email (especially email).  I had
set on getting the Sigma 21-35, but as I had mentioned yesterday CWoO
did not have it.  Mainly I need a lens to supplement my only two other
less-than-80mm -- a Nikkor 28/2.8 and a Sigma 16/2.8 fisheye.  The candidates
were the Sigma 14mm, 21-35mm, 24-50mm, Nikkor 20/2.8, 24-50mm, 35/2,
60/2.8 micro.  

After agonizing over it one final time last night, over the issue of
(not in order of importance) mail-order ability to supply quickly (I leave
for Grand Canyon in a few days), ability to use my just-bought 52mm Nikkor
circular-polarizer, price, reported quality, lens angle, etc, I finally
pulled out the old card called CWoO for a non-candidate (drum-roll...)
the Leica Mini.

Despite disappointing reports of its quality, the (large) picture in March 
Shutterbug allegedly taken by the Mini stucked in my mind.  Yes, I know
the camera is actually made by Minolta, not made in WG, and on and on,
but my past ownership of a Leica M4-P (with 2 Leica lens -- 35mm and 135mm)
has proved to be fantastic.  The 35mm Leitz was especially great, I blew
its shot up and it was still sharp, period.  

I asked for Bruce and Dave upon calling CWoO as advised, but the guy said
both were off today, and that his name is TJ.  Well, he was not Rick, so I
proceeded.  The price was $239, plus $19 for 2-day FedEx. 

As you can see, I am hoping that the Lecia Mini will give as good result 
as that of (formerly) my thousand-dollar Leica M4-P/Leitz 35mm.  We will 
find out soon.  Another thing is that when hiking in Grand Canyon, I 
can leave the (heavy) Nikon F4s plus lenses behind and just take the
Mini.  Probably won't even take the monopod.. no.  The monopod is a 
hiking stick, a more stable platform (especially when using ISO 25 films),
and a weapon!
From: donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 4 x 5 camera help
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA


In article <9fPC025Zbfg800@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, bjs@uts.amdahl.com
(Barry Sherman) writes:

|> [...]  PLUS:  my Calumet carries many honorable scars.  

These are beyond monetary value.  They should not be overlooked.  ;)

|> [...] The wind had knocked our cameras down.  Either it knocked mine into
|> his or his into mine.  We couldn't determine which was the case.  

There is nothing quite like the sight of seeing a view camera on a
tripod topple over and hit the ground.  My camera has honorable scars,
too, but I bought mine *new*.

"And hey, hey, hey!  Let's be *careful* out there!"  :)

|> [...]  Spectators looking somewhat green about the gills 
|> while clutching *their* wooden field cameras tightly to their bosoms.

Oh, they *always* look like that.  ;)

|> [...] I know that Fred Picker explictly says that he'll repair or 
|> replace cameras damaged from tripods falling over.  [...]

Fred Picker says he'll repair or replace cameras damaged in *any way
whatsoever*.  As much as I don't like him, or some of the ways he runs
his business, this is a very impressive policy.  (And very fortunate for
this victim!)

- donl mathis at Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
donl@sgi.com
Xref: sparky rec.photo:7042 misc.forsale:13785
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale
Subject: Forsale : Flash Unit for Canon EOS cameras
Summary: Flash sale
Keywords: Flash sale
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:57:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University




  I sold my EOS REBEL and kept the following two items for use with
  EOS 650 that I was planning to purchase. It seems now that I've made up
  my mind on Canon Xapshot and therefore the following two items are forsale.
  
1. Canon Zoom Lens for EOS Cameras              $120     SOLD !!!
   EF 35-105m
   f/4.5-5.6



2. Kalimar Flash Light                           $60
   One of those big and impressive Flash units
   Model # : AFZ-6000 (for EOS series Cameras)  Guide # : 105
   Features include : Infra-Red, Auto Focus, Fully dedicated, TTL Thyristor,
   Bounce Flash with swivel zoom head, 5 year guarantee


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Mubashir Cheema: Computer Engineering student at Mississippi State University.
Amiga User and Star Trek Fan (me too :)
I can be reached at Fax/phone : (601) 325-5869  
Internet : mac1@ra.msstate.edu          Bitnet   : mac1@msstate.bitnet
US mail  : PO Box 4887, MSU             UPS/FedEx: 721 Hamlin, MSU
           MS State, MS 39762-4887                 MS State, MS 39762
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From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Day for night/ night photography
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:57:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

I heard someone mention the application of "day for night",
a technique used in movies, to night photography. Apparently
the result is that one gets photographs that look almost
like they were exposed during the day, but have a strange
look to them. Michael Kenna apparently uses this technique.

Does anyone know what I am talking about, or was I hallucinating? :-)

Thanks,

- Ihtisham Kabir
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Minolta/quiet camera info wanted
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:39:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.054351.6234@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) writes:
>How does the XD-5 compare with the XD-ll in the noise dept?  Are there any
>other especially quiet cameras?  (Sometimes I feel that my Canon AE-1 and 
>my Contax 139 would wake the dead...as when taking pictures during weddings.)
>
>              John
The XD-5 and XD-11 are essentially the same camera.  As many manufacturers do,
they design the full-featured camera, then delete certain features to make
cheaper models, thus giving the consumers the ability to choose the price/
feature tradeoff.  The XD-5 is missing the following features:  (1) The little
window above the aperture ring which allows the aperture to be seen in the
viewfinder; (2) The window in the viewfinder which shows the shutter speed;
(3) The lever and shutter near the eyepiece which can block the eyepiece.
They supply a little plastic cap instead to cover the eyepiece.  This isn't
supplied to keep the eyepiece clean.  If you are ever shooting without your
head immediately in back of the camera (delayed action, cable release), light
can leak in the viewfinder and fool the metering resulting in an underexposure.
In such a situation, you would cover the eyepiece with the plastic cap.

On the subject of shutter noise, to quote from the XD-5 brochure: "The
electromagnetic shutter release is exceptionally quiet and free from
vibration."  I wouldn't call my XD-11 "exceptionally quiet", but it certainly
is quieter than the X-700.  If I really wanted "quiet", I would shoot my
little old German rangefinder (ca. 1955).

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: massengi@cloves.unx.sas.com (Darrell Massengill)
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried the Kodak/Nikon electronic camera?
    <1992Apr10.161127.13259@polari.com>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:43:42 GMT
X-Bytes: 2381

In article <1992Apr10.161127.13259@polari.com> dsp@polari.com writes:
>rsilvers@powwow.nynexst.com (Rob Silvers) writes:
>
>
>
>>	Kodak has an electronic camera that is based on a Nikon
>>F3 with a special back.  It grabs 1280x1024 with 24 bits of 
>
>[...]
>
>>anyone tried this system yet?  What are your impressions?  It
>>should be neat because it will upload the data to a Mac through
>
>
>  I saw it demo'ed by the Kodak boys when they were in town last
>December. Pretty spiffy outfit but with some limitations that they gladly
>told everyone about.
>
>  Image Quality
>
>    Basically they were saying unless you were doing newspaper
>photography or a catalog shot that had a viewer lifespan of 3 seconds
>then it wasn't for you. It is the highest res piece of gear out there and
>fully digital rather than analog -> digital, or still video.
>    I understand the US Gov. has been a big buyer as have folks doing
>insurance and parts inventories, TASS likes them as do the wire services
>and DTP people.
>

I had my hands on one last week at Kodak and I have a print of a
photo taken from it (in front of me right now) that was made with the
Kodak printer.

I disagree with the writer that says the quality is no better than the
point and shoot cameras with a plastic lense.  However, the quality isn't
as good as can be done with a good camera using film.  Even so, I am
impressed with the quality.  If you want an electronic photo, then
it is the best way to go.  If you scan a print, you are not going to
get the same quality as you can get directly with the camera.

The photo that I have is an 8x10 that is a head and shoulders shot of
a person.  The detail is clear enough that the individual hairs on the
head are clearly visible, the pores on the face are very clear and the
thread in the cloth of the shirt is clear.

There are several nice things about the camera that haven't been mentioned:
1.  It is a Nikon body.  This means all the high quality nikon lens wil
work.

2.  The screen on the "disk unit" allows you to preview the photo and
have some interesting control.  For example, you can make the overexposed
parts of a picture flash which gives you instant feedback in difficult
lighting situations.




-- 
Darrell Massengill    Manager of Image Processing   SAS Institute Inc.
massengi@unx.sas.com  (919) 677-8000 x7658          SAS Campus Dr, Cary, NC
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: mechanical cameras
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:07:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <104@metran.UUCP> jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts) writes:
>GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W. Saunders) writes:
>
>I think it would be interesting to own one.  Does anyone know much about
>the Russian brands?  The only one I know of is Kiev.  Are the lens mounts
>compatible with Nikon by any chance, or is that asking too much?

Well, the Kiev 88 is already available in the U.S., both under the name
Kiev and (I think) Cambron.  It's a Russian knock-off of the Hasseblad
1000 series cameras (nicknamed the "Hassebladski"), and has some
limited compatibility.  My teacher's word on the subject:  "I wouldn't
touch a Russian camera, and my name's Ivanitsky"

I for one am dying to see a review of the Chinese knock-off of
the Hasseblad called the "Great Wall".  It sells for $140!

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	That's one thing about going against the flow:  there's
	less traffic in that direction.
Xref: sparky rec.photo:7253 can.general:2246 misc.legal:9387
From: cuthbert@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David Cuthbert)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,can.general,misc.legal
Subject: Re: What is required to sell pictures?
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:03:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


>I have a question on the selling of prints. I took several shots last year
>of some bands at one of the festivals here. It's in a city park, do I need 
>releases to sell them? Like a 5x7 b&w for a $1?

I doubt it. The pictures were taken in the public domain and, I think, are 
yours. Once fixed in tangible form the pictures have their own copyright, but
if you plan to make this a big business you may want to register the copyright
since you get better legal rights that way.

The performance became copyrighted if and when it was fixed in tangible media.
I'm not sure if your pictures violate any such copyright or if they fall under
some type of "fair use" exception. If not they may be considered a "derivative
work" or simply an excerpt, I don't know which.

There are special copyright provisions regarding visual arts, but I don't know 
if they apply here.

There are lots of "hornbooks" and legal summaries available, Emanuel's and 
Gilbert's are popular examples. One of them should have a good summary answer
or at least point you in the right direction. Look for a book on "Intelectual
Property" in a law library or law school book store if there's one near you, If
not, and no-one posts a better answer, email me and I'll check for you here.

-Dave
From: duli@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Li Du)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: shutter lockup - FM2
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:46:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr15.164631.11417
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <@> kjm@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com (Ken J. McFadden) writes:
>
>Since mirror lockup is a side effect of self timer, I wonder what happens
>if you cancel the timer?  Does the mirror stay locked up?
>
	You can not cancel the timer on most cameras that can do "mirror 
	lock up" via self-timer, because the timer is mechanical. Once the 
	shutter button is pressed, the mirror will move up and the timer 
	will keep running until the exposure is completed. You can delay 
	the exposure by holding the self-timer lever. Basically once the 
	mirror is locked up, you have to make a exposure. Some Canon cameras
	(e.g. Elan) have electronic self-timer, but you can program it to let
	the mirror go first when you use self-timer. I am not sure if you can 
	cancel the timer if you let the mirror go first. My guess is that you 
	still can not do it.

---------------------------------
 Li Du | duli@prony.colorado.edu
---------------------------------
From: amolitor@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur film processing (NOW tabletop procs).
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:35:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr8.053523.1
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Apr7.210042.5948@unx.sas.com>,
    sch@gargoyle.unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth) writes:

> [regarding Durst Printo]
>
> Minor bitches:
> 
> The drive gears are all plastic (nylon?).
> ...
> I have had ONE misfeed, which also resulted in a gear break.
> ... This isn't covered under warranty
> either, so I had to pay for this one ($6.25).

	Perhaps this is why they're nylon? Cheapcheap, and perhaps
metal would break too..

	Andrew