Newsgroups: news.admin
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Spin doctor strikes again
Followup-To: news.admin
Summary: forgery is a crime
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:09:43 GMT
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rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>	(1)	possible, but unproven case in 1989, when he was the
>		only person who defended an unknown forger, via email,
>		after i called postmaster@sunncal's attention to the
>		fact that controversial posts from Sun were forgeries,
>		and criticized forgery publically.

"Unproven is the operative word.  And I believe that other well-known net
 people have given very different versions of this event."

Let's hear them. Here's mine.

	(1)	someone loses a bunch of computer hardware and posts to
		the Net, asking people to keep an eye out for equipment
		matching <description> and <serial numbers>.

	(2)	someone else posts a forged article, ostensibly from
		sun microsystems, offering said equipment for sale.

	(3)	i call this to the attention of postmaster@sunncal, as
		well as criticize forgery publically.

	(4)	bandy defends this practice very vigorously, and we end
		up bitterly opposed over this issue. subsequent events
		establish that bandy has vigorously besmirched my local
		reputation, and it is accepted without proof by locals.


No doubt, a strong case could be made for my being biased. But, as I have
said before, none of the above constitutes either forgery or abuse of trust.

A strong case could also be made for my simply bearing witness against a
person who, it's true, has injured me ... but whom also has injured many
others, albeit in an intangible fashion.


>	(2)	when he allegedly created software which he used to kill
>		any groups he did not like, on the Well, as has been
>		reported here in the past week ... impact and duration
>		of this 'prank' unknown.

"As a person who was on the Well during the time, and a former staff member
 (Chief Engineer), this is not a correct statement of Andy's actions.  "

How many engineers did you have under you, Kenton ... and what is there to
engineer on a VAX 11/7xx, anyway ? I think calling yourself "Chief Engineer"
of a BBS is ludicrous. Jeez. I remember logging into that thing back when it
was brand new, when Captain Crunch told me how to login without credit card
info, and PicoSpan was brand spanking new, and slow as a dog.

"What did happen is that after a set of events (that are up to the participants 
 to decide if they wish to reveal), Andy wrote a program to that would remove 
 postings from the Well."

Lots of vagueness in this paragraph. This person, that person, the other per-
-son. What I've been told is that there was a rmgroup / newgroup war, and bandy
was in the middle of it. This does a lot to support the growing belief that
this is bandy's SOP, and you'd do well to include all these details.

"Alot of strange statements and allegations were made about his actions (most
 notibly by an unnamed columnist for a major paper)."

Name it, so that everone can see what was said, please.

-- richard

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