HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

Believe it or not the number of bits that a processor has is not cut and dry.
The 68000 is a great example of this.  Internally it can support some 32-bit
operations (the registers are 32-bits wide and the ALU can do some 32-bit 
math).  However, the external bus is only 16-bits wide.  Therefore, the 
68000 was introduced as a 16/32-bit processor.  With a 16-bit external bus,
the processor has to do two memory cycles for every 32-bit operand.  This
also slows down code fetches of instructions that are longer that 16-bits.

			My view

				Ted Rossin
From: only_bbs!King_Midas@under.mind.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SPS files
Date: 08 Jan 93 16:30:00 -0500
Organization: Not really.
X-newsreader: Fortress v1f-75

  
 unicorn.nott.ac.uk!pcxkrm: 
  
  
  SPS files are "squished" spectrum files that are smaller than the 
ordinary ones. There is a slideshow program out there that can 
view/pack/depack *.SPS files.

--
via Fortress Gateway at uumind.mind.ORG
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: a blurb
Keywords: PC piracy
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:34:57 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego


I do think that piracy is more pervasive on pc's. Every person I know
who has a pc has pirated commercial programs. I've seen pirated versions
of commercial programs used by companies I've worked for. My brother
used to work for a large aerospace firm and a friend of his there came
very close to being fired because he refused to use pirate software
at work, which pissed his supervisor off bad. I detect the attitude
among pc owners that I know that they are "entitled" to pirate copies and
you would be "stupid" to buy it. Do I hang out with an atypical, criminal
set of people? I don't think so. I think they reflect the views of the
average pc user.

I think the commercial piracy situation has gotten better since software
manufacturers have started raiding corporations.

Now I don't know about shareware - I am talking about pirated commercial
software, not shareware.

Mike Healy

healy@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: a Fair Dinkum new year 
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:58:31 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

> ---
> 
> ___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
> _________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
> ________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
> ____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
> 
 
 Happy New year John boy......
 
 


 Jon Clarke                                                     Z*NET Pacific
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From: wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Second hand software wanted.
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:45:32 GMT
Organization: The Timewasters

Hi,

I am updating my software, that is to say I got rid of some pirated
software. So now I am in need for some commercial software to replace
the ones I deleted.
Unfortunately I am still just a student so I cannot afford to buy the
newest versions etc directly from HiSoft or so.
So if anyone has some software for sale I might be very interested.
You may send any offers to wmtwen@urc.tue.nl
I am really looking for some decent productivity software like a
wordprocessor , a spreadsheet and a drawing program. All for monochrome
monitor.

Erlend.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:55:26 EST
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Salesdroids
 <H.ea.vmmCYe4H5P6@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
 <1993Jan12.212553.13546@bsu-ucs> <1j0439INN2ks@life.ai.mit.edu>


In article <1j0439INN2ks@life.ai.mit.edu>, dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
says:
>
>In article <1993Jan12.212553.13546@bsu-ucs> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu      :
>writes
>>P.S. I get a chuckle every time I read "sales _droids_"....heheh.
>
>"These aren't the droids you're looking for."
>
>        "These aren't the droids we're looking for."
>
>"We can go on about our business."
>
>        "You can go on about your business.  Move along."

"Gee Ben, how did you manage to do that?"

 "The Force can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded."

"The Force can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded."

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka)
Subject: Pagestream printing (Was: Good old me)
Date: 05 Jan 93 22:53:23 GMT
Organization: BraSoft

In article <C0CIut.2vw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
>By the way, the slowness of Pagestream redraws is due to poor algorithms  
>and/or coding, not the speed of the ST.  DTP programs for the mac redraw  
>quite satisfactorily under Spectre GCR on a stock ST.  Take a look at  
>Calamus if you'd like to see the result of good redraw algorithms.  If  
>pagestream is depressing you, don't upgrade your machine, pressure  
>SoftLogik to upgrade the program to make it usable.
>
>--
>William Magro                                       NeXTMail welcome
>wmagro@uiuc.edu

I'm not sure if you were just talking about screen redraws or printing
as well. Calamus is tons faster at printing than Pagestream, even to the
same printer. What the problem turns out to be is that Pagestream's
printer driver calls TOS to print, i.e. it calls Bconout to print each
and every character to the printer. That's fine, except that as every
Quick ST / Warp 9 user knows, the Bconout and other trap handlers in TOS
are extremely slow. While Pagestream is printing it spends about 90% of
its time in the Bconout handler! Someone should call the Codeheads to
add some code to Warp 9 to speed up the handling of Bconout to the printer
(since it already speeds up Bconout to the screen). I would guess that a
similar hack to Warp 9 could significantly speed up Pagestream printing,
limited only by the baud rate of the parallel port.

Calamus's printer driver on the other hand already writes directly to the
hardware so I suspect there's little that can be done to speed up its
already fast printing.

- Darek (the PC bigot)

-- 
/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Darek Mihocka, BraSoft, 14150 NE 20th St., Unit 302, Bellevue, WA 98007. |
| Creator of Gemulator, Quick ST, and Xformer. Views expressed are my own. |
\--------------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: dmb@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: stuff it
Date: 5 Jan 1993 05:22:18 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu

In article <4JAN93.16060183@cc4.crl.aecl.ca> csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:
>RE: posting Darek's note on the net, that fool and his constant bitching
>both deserve to be exposed on the net. Anyone else (including guys like
>Daniel Eriksson) who think otherwise should take a hike. I have had it with
>Darek and other fools like him. Darek - stay in the PC interest group and
>stay out of the Atari interest group. I, and many others, are tired of
>your crap.

Really, Derek's been going pretty light on the bitching lately.  Now
you'll just get him going again (and rightly so).

Daniel has done a lot for this group, and I hardly see his defense of
Darek here as some kind of sell-out.  Daniel would do us all a favor to
ignore your request that he take a hike.

Darek has a PC.  He works for Microsoft.  He writes PC software about
16 hours a day, I'd imagine.  None of these things, however, changes the
fact that he's written some of the best-selling ST software ever made.
I think it's safe to say that he knows what he's talking about when it
comes to technical matters regarding both the ST and the PC, despite
his obvious bias towards PC (against ST's?).

>BTW, I'll gladly repost anyone's private mail if they attack me for
>my net comments. Take that as a warning if you want to send me a nasty
>note!!!

With this is mind, I'll save you the trouble by responding publicly.
Darek has posted some inciteful stuff in the past, but the message you
quoted from -- even if it had been public, which it wasn't -- was
hardly flame bait.  Contentious, yes.  Out of order?  No.  (IMHO)

Posting private email, BTW, is arguably illegal in many countries,
since the paper analogue -- publishing a private letter from someone
in a magazine, newspaper, etc. without their permission -- is illegal.

We went through this a few years ago.  You could ask in misc.legal for
a more definitive answer, but at the very least posting private email
is seriously frowned upon.

Dave Baggett
--
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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
	<Zuu5wB5w165w@status.gen.nz>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:58:14 EST

In <Zuu5wB5w165w@status.gen.nz>, Jon Clarke writes:
>  Hahahahahahahahahaha ... now here is the beST laugh I have had all day.
>  Windows 3.01 or the new NT would win that race not os/2 .

You're kidding me, aren't you?  I use Win 3.1 at work all day, and it's
only bearable because I've got a '486/33 with 8M of RAM.  OS/2's
features/specs look MUCH nicer to me than NT ("Needs Terrabytes").  NT's
market will be businesses that need better networking... what it offers
(and what it takes to run it) pretty much rule it out for the "typical"
home user.

Win NT's beta needs 30-60M of disk space, and 12M or RAM.  Without those
resources, it's worse than Windows 3.0 an a '386sx (I've been reading a
few OS/2 newsgroups and the Windows groups).

Also, I'd rather stick with my ST than use any software from Microsoft.

>  Chris you are in for a BIG suprise if you really mean this! Take it from
>  me. I run OS/2 , Windows and BCD Unix (and the ST) here and OS/2 is the
>  DOG of the lot. Get Windows NT it is 1000 time better (when it is
>  released).

What are you running OS/2 on?  Are you using the good filesystem, or the
DOS filesystem?  Your biases are showing if you expect me to think that
OS/2 is slower than your ST system...

>  Mind you it has taken years for the clone (other pc based OS's) markets
>  to even catch up with the ST (read all versions) market.

I don't think you're looking in the right places for your software...

>  Look at Flash for instance.  It was not until ProComm for Windows was
>  released was there anything like Flash and look how long this has been
>  around!

Flash is a piece of junk... even Alan Page (the author) says that. 
Uniterm is _free_ and much better.  STalker is commercial and much
better.  The terminal program that comes with Windoze is much worse, but
what should you expect from the makers of DOS?

If you look hard, you can find an ST ftp site to get software from.  If
you look hard through any of the zillion Mac/PC ftp sites, you can find
the good software.

-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mike@medsun.unige.ch (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Editor???
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:25:58 GMT

>(John Hutchinson) writes:
> >(Richard G.C. Storm (I89)) writes:
> >I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
> >It has to save in ascii unlike 1st word does. If anybody
> >knows which editor is good for that and where I can get it, I 
> >will appreciate your help greatly.`
> 
> Not that 1st Word is a good editor (echhh) but can't you do a "SAVE AS" (ASCII)
> with it?  I no longer own First Word but I thought sure you could.
> 

If I remember rightly (it's 7 or 8 years since I touched :-), you save in ASCII in 1W 
by deselecting "WP mode" in the File (??) menu.

Mike M.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:49:32 EST
From: J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: n890421 (KA9Q for the Atari ST....)
 <1993Jan3.002308.6103@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
 <1993Jan5.145943.13830@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>


In article <1993Jan5.145943.13830@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, you say:
>
>hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>
>>In article <72777@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>>John Bunch asked about using telnet in the ST version of KA9Q.
>
>>Unfortunately he seems to be talking about a different version than the
>>one you may be familiar with.
>>>
>>>I've been using KA9Q to telnet successfully for quite a while now.  The
>>>only time I've had problems with it is when I have a RAMdisk installed,
>>>but that shouldn't affect you if you cold booted with a "clean" system..
>
>>What kinds of problems were those? I've never had any trouble of this sort.
>>(Hm. How much RAM in your setup?)
>>>
>>>The only thing I can think of to check.. is "start telnet" in your
>>>NET.RC file in the root directory of the drive you run KA9Q from..?
>
>>The various "start" commands are for starting up the servers that handle
>>incoming connection attempts. When you say "telnet blah" you're invoking
>>the telnet client to make an outgoing connection. The two are independent
>>and will have no effect on each other (unless of course, you're trying
>>to telnet to yourself...).
>
>>The bug that John refers to is mentioned in the ReadMe that accompanies
>>the n890421 package. Oddly enough, it seems to be based on the same code
>>that my port was based on, but includes support for many more protocols.
>>Doesn't seem to do SLFP or PPP though.
>
>
>Is this the bug about setting echo to refuse???  I tried setting that and
>it still died.  I found that if I had mint installed I could start a
>telnet connection without my machine bombing, but I never get a login:
>prompt from the machine I am telnetting to.  I type a CTRL-T and the
>machine I am trying to connect to responds with i am here...
>
>I have just about given up...
>

     Don't give up on the telnet feature just yet!  The latest sources at the
UK site that was posted before fix the telnet bug (I can verify this).  The
binaries have not yet been released there.  However, I compiled the binaries
from those sources myself with GCC 2.3 a couple weeks ago, and have had no
problems with the telnet to all the sites that used to make it bomb on me
before.
    I wrote to the person who did the port for the source, and apparently he
is more active on the local UK nets than here on Usenet (from the sounds of it)
since the source is available, I don't think there would be a problem with
me uploaded to a.archive the binary that I compiled with that source?
    I'll only upload the net.ttp binary (archived of course) since the entire
rest of the package, including the docs, have remained the same.
------------------
J.J. Lehett     : Atari's, puzzles, games, MIDI, fractals, Kawai K4's...

  - Work: JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu           Penn State CAC
  - Genie: J.LEHETT2
  - Delphi: JLEHETT@delphi.com
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RFD: What to do with comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.st?
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:55:54 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan11.122153@cs.bham.ac.uk> dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley) writes:
>I really think we need an st.flames or st.advocacy (sp!) section,
>'cause I can't stand spending most of my time pressing Session Kill on
>things. I would Author Kill some people, but they might just say
>something and I'd miss it!

Just author kill the whole damn lot!  Who needs these Evil Other
Computer Sympathizers anyway!

>So how do we go about it? Do we need a petition of some sorts?

See the news.announce.newgrops posting "How to Create a Newsgroup" and
get ready for a grueling 6-8 month process.

Dave Baggett
--
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:19579 news.groups:25360
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: What to do with comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.st?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:03:03 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

With the current unavailability of atari.archive and wuarchive, maybe
you better keep the binaries newsgroup around a little longer :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR on a TT
Reply-To: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:13:37 GMT

1 - I cannot format 720 k MFS floppies with DCFormat 3.02, for transverting
    (I always get a disk error);
--------------------------------

That portion of the code in DCFormat may not work correctly with the TT.
Try formmating MFS disks in Spectre.

--------------------------------
2 - I cannot get a full A3 Mac screen - the Mac does run on a 1280x800 screen,
    but it gives me 2 "squished" (and illegible) screens, side by side. In ST
--------------------------------

Unfortunately, Spectre does not support really big screens or color or any
other special features of the TT's enhanced video or Crazy Dots for that
matter! The reason for the screens has to do with the way Dave programmed it
but he may allow larger BW screens in the next version of the software.
Color support will more than likely be for the Falcon only since Dave has
to plough through the 512k Roms to get color out, although I suppose
Dave could make a 16 color version for the TT but that is unlikely since
the Falcon Spectre works of the internal bus of the Falcon (this is because
you just can't use 512k Roms off the Cart port because it only supports
128k of addressing!).

Hope that helps!

 +--------------------------------------------+------------------------------+
 |          Michael "Zoooks!" Zucca           | Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam |
 |    Internet: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu    | Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam |
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From: dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:02:40 GMT
Organization: ASTRAsoft, Stoke-On-Trent England.

In article <H.mcBUgFWEjuY@fredrik.atari.no>, jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:
|> 
|> Comodore officialy say that 60% of current A500 software works on the A1200.
|> Impressive? I don't think so!
|> 
|> Compo (large german company that develop and sell ST/TT/Falcon software and
|> hardware addons) have had a thorough test of a large base of existing ST 
|> software to see if it worked on the Falcon 030, and they found that 95% (no 
|> kiddin', ninty-five%) do run!
|> This is even better than what Atari self hoped for, and it is MUCH better
|> than what the TT can show up with. I have a TT and have little problems to 
|> get the software I need.
|> 

Yeah... There's a small problem with that though... Atari said to all the
magazine publishers that the Falcon wasn't particularly supposed to be compatible
with the STe, so that's what their writing. The games press are saying that the
A1200 is better 'cause 60% of standard Amiga stuff (exactly what that means I'm
not sure) will run.

A good bit to get people flaming is...

With regard to A500 games...

60% of A600 stuff runs on the A1200
80% of A500+ stuff runs on the A600
50% of A500 stuff runs on the A500+.

Which in total isn't a particularly good compatibility rating!

:-)

David.

Kryten : 'Pub: ah, yes, a meeting place where people attempt to reach advanced
          states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of
          fermented vegtable drinks.'
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Stalker vs Uniterm!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:22:37 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1isni8INNonm@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells) writes:
>> May be we should all wait for THE STORM...???
>
>The company went bye-bye!
>
>(Or did it!?)
>
> =========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================


Please Steven get your Facts right, THE STORM is still coming out, DC were going
to market it, but its now being marketed by some other company..

So look before you jump...!!!

Read the STR more, then you will be more informed...??


Roger.....................            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: ST-506 HD Interface card to atari ST
Reply-To: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:04:35 GMT

I have a friend who has a harddisk with ST-506 interface and he want's to connected
it to his ATARI 520 ST. But since ATARI only sells SCSI interface cards (here in
sweden) he cannot use it with his ATARI.Now the question is has someone got a scematic of a ST-506 interface card for AT
ARI ST
(hopefully without PAL's or ROM's)?
---------------------------------------

Interfacing an ST-506 is easy (MFM or RLL I believe), if you can, get your
hands on an Adaptec MFM/RLL to SCSI controller card. That's how they do it
with the ST-506 drives in the Megafile.

If my numbers are failing me and it's not an MFM or RLL, well, then, sorry.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:32:23 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> Comodore officialy say that 60% of current A500 software works on the A120
> Impressive? I don't think so!

Not even that much is expected to work!!

> Compo (large german company that develop and sell ST/TT/Falcon software an
> hardware addons) have had a thorough test of a large base of existing ST
> software to see if it worked on the Falcon 030, and they found that 95% (n
> kiddin', ninty-five%) do run!

Where'd this info' come from!?  I find it rather surprising that
95% compatibility is achieved!  (The STE had about that compared to
STFM machines...  Probably less!).  It'd be good - but do we actually get
a list of what they tested!?  (If it's all serious software, of course
it will work, but graphics util's and games are the real test!)