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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Date: 25 Aug 92 01:21:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> In article <1992Aug24.032212.280@midway.uchicago.edu>
-> epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
-> >Why buy a Civic?  Pay several thousand dollars more and get a car
-> with >personality and zip.  You'll see and use your car every day so
-> don't you >feel that it's worth the investment?  Buy a MX6 or a Probe
-> or a Talon or a Miata.

 Amy Young Leigh  <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
-> If I was able to "spend several thousands of dollars more" do you
-> think I would even CONSIDERED a Civic????
->
-> Hey, if you're going to buy a "MX6 or a Probe or a Talon or a Miate
-> or... you get the idea" why not spend just a few thousand more and
-> get a BMW or a Lotus or a... well, you get the idea.

 I agree 100% with you on spending a couple of thousand more and getting
a European or a BMW.  It's foolish to spend money on top of the line
Celica's, Grand Am's, Eclipse's, Integra's, Legend's, and Lexus 400's.
For a little more, it's worth the money for a European and the prestige
of a BMW.  I have a BMW 524td (1985) and an Acura Integra GS (1991),  I
turn more heads driving that old 4-door sedan Bimmer than I get with my
clean and shiny 3dr hatchback Integra.  Also, I've brought the Integra
into the dealer and the cost of the oil changes are the same as the cost
for one at BMW.  Also, the labor prices are the same, and the scheduled
maintance on the Honda's are ridiculous, some are even more than a BMW.
  A word on Lexus's, Infiniti's and those other Japanese luxery cars, a
400 costs about $45,000.  That's how much a BMW 525i costs.  The
workmanship on the Bimmer far exceeds the one on the Lexus and they're
built better.  Sure, the Lexus is faster, more space, more comfortable,
and is supposed to have no maintance problems.  For the price of a Q45,
I would rather get a MB 300e, BMW 535i, or a  Jaguar XJ6.


Erich Lim
                                                                                  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:31:02 GMT

> 	Need your comments :
>	When I rotate the tires on my 1989 Ford Taurus GL (6-cyl 3.0liter)
>I noticed that the front brake pads are now about 1.5 mm (millimeter) thick,
>while a new pad is 4 to 5 mm thick.
>
>	I told that to a garage (non-dealership), and they told me that
>it would cost me $85.00 to get the front pad replaced, because they also
>have to turn the drum, even though I told them the drums do not seem to
>be scratched. No they have not looked at the brake mechanism, but they
>insist that the drums have to be turned anyway.
>
>	What do you think ? about the turning and the price ?

If you can remove the discs yourself, you should be able to find an automotive parts store
or similar establishment (PEP Boys) who will turn them for $5.00 each.  Thats $10.00 
plus $20.00 or so for pads comes to $30.00 or so.  It depends on how much your time is 
worth.  In any case, if the garage guys haven't even seen your car yet . . . how would they 
know.  Just my two cents worth . . . Dave

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        If we were not crazy, we would go insane.
        If we could not laugh, we would go insane!     J. Buffett
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Solidity = Safety ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:37:24 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore

In rec.autos, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:

|In rec.autos, aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
|
|>When I go to Auto Shows, I have a habit of slamming the car's door
|>to see if it has a satisfying "thunk" when its closed.  At least
|>this will give me an idea if the structure is solid or not when I
|>don't have a chance to test drive it (unless the factory knows
|>a way to make a tin-can car close its doors with "thunk" which I think
|>won't happen because they might as well make the whole structure
|>solid)
|
|Honda, and several of the other Japaneese car makers design a solid
|thunk sound into their doors, as this is what customers want to hear.
|I believe they do this through sizing cavities, etc. Nothing solid about
|that thunk, anymore. Sorry.

Ah, so that's how it's done.  Was wondering why the Honda Civics and Concertos
gave that satisfying "thunk" but still had a very flexible (read as twist &
flex) body.  Sound effects not necessarily body stiffness :-)

|
|Ron
|
|Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.kids,ba.transportation,dc.general
Subject: Children's Car Seats - News Conference September 1
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:36:49 GMT
Organization: Echo Beach


Here is a press release that may be of interest to readers of this newsgroup.

 News Conference to Kick Off National Public Awareness Campaign to
Improve Child Passenger Safety
 To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor, Transportation Writer
 Contact: Stephanie Leontis of Freeman/McCue Public Relations,
          Santa Ana, Calif., 714-557-3663

 News Advisory:

 WHAT:   News conference at the National Press Club to kick off a
national public awareness campaign and safety promotion
designed to improve child passenger safety and increase
vehicle safety inspections.

Safety experts from Monroe Auto Equipment, the National
Safety Belt Coalition, Cosco Inc. and other safety
organizations will discuss the importance of these issues to
prevent needless deaths and injuries of children each year.

 WHERE:  The National Press Club, Murrow Room

 WHEN:   Tuesday, Sept. 1, at 10 a.m.

 WHY:    More than 600 children died and 53,000 were injured in
vehicle crashes last year, many of which could have been
prevented by the correct use of child safety restraint
seats, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration.

In addition, findings released in July by the University of
California, Irvine, suggest that many parents still believe
on-lap riding is safe...a position better referred to by
experts as the "Child Crusher."  Unfortunately, nothing
could be further from the truth.

 -30-

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: benz@calspan.com (Dave Benz)
Subject: 93 Grand Am info wanted
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:54:25 GMT

Looking for info on the '93 Grand Am.  When's it due?  What's
new for '93?  Is it included in GMs recent round of price
reductions/holds?, etc., etc....



thanks,
dave

===
Dave Benz		benz@calspan.com
Arvin/Calspan Advanced Technology Center
P.O. Box 400
Buffalo, NY 14225


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Yet another fancy piece of cops' equipment
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 06:01:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Followup-To: Cops on Harleys

In article <17bj2bINNh82@agate.berkeley.edu> avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu (Tony Konashenok) writes:
>Two days ago in Marin County I was pulled over by a cop on a motorcycle.
>When he approached me, I understood that he was riding... Guess what?
>

Cool!!! The last time I got pulled over for speeding, the cop was also
on a Harley and that seemed to make getting a ticket just a little less
painful. (by the way I was flying low and had no excuse). 
It's kinda refreshing to see them riding AMERICAN motorcycles. No police
department in the USA (or at least in Texas) would get by with running Japanese
(I guess a BMW patrol bike might be acceptable)se motorcycles. Aarrgghh!
(I guess a BMW patrol bike be acceptable)
Neal Howard      (yes, I ride a Harley as if you couldn't tell)
===============================================================================


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bernstei@tcoasb (Andrew Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Subaru woes
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:42:56 GMT


You won't here me complaining........


1980 Subaru Gl... my first car I got it in 1987 with 55 thousand miles on it...
     never failed to start got over 35 mpg highway.....put a clutch in at  
110,000 miles and changed the oil regularly......car was killed by a truck at 
		 
117,000 miles and I got 200 more bucks than I paid for the thing 50,000 miles  
earlier from the insurance company.....

My dad had a 1983 Subaru GL he never had to make any major repairs on the car  
	 
until it met death at the hands of my 16 year old brother at 185,000 miles....
it was an automatic and was still getting over 30mpg.......

Currently I just drove my 1991 Subaru Loyale  4WD wagon 
(a collector's item I here...)						
past 37,000 miles....my problems to date... a clunk under the car...the cost to  
fix .... a $15 dollar warranty part.... 

Currently in our family .....my wagon, my brother's 4WD Justy, my parents 4wD  
Legacy, and my mother in law's Legacy............

Criticize all you want.....my Subaru's have been inexpensive and built to stay  
that way.....BTW where else can you pay a little over 10 grand and get 4WD,  
power windows, locks, mirrors, station wagon.....and A COLLECTOR'S  
ITEM....(according to Ariel Cohen...in article 32694 I believe...)


Andrew....
bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com
     
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,rec.autos.tech,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 18:22:19 GMT

None of this has anything to do with automotive tech questions ( read : THIS IS
BORING!) 

$0.02
From: ldillard@digi.lonestar.org (Lawrenece Dillard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:00:41 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Sep3.161249.4650@engage.pko.dec.com> sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) writes:
>
>Taurus Front Brake Rotors have a recall; mine (90 SHO) were replaced without
>cost to me by the dealer. It seems that Ford experimented with composite rotors
>which tends to warp easily.

I had the dealer check specifically for front brake rotor recall for my
'87 Taurus, but none existed.  I was able to purchase rotors at Autozone
for about $27 apiece, which included a 2 yr warranty on them (they are 
turnable, also).

-TD
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From: sacks@acsu.buffalo.edu (Aaron V. Sacks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.audio
Subject: Re: Best Cassette Deck cleaner
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:37:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug28.233433.11724@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (Shailendra Save) writes:
>
> What is the best cassette deck (car deck, since it is impossible to get
>at without dismantling half my dashboard) cleaner?  Which have you found
>to be the best in terms of use and in terms of results?
>
>Thanks,
>Shailendra
>ssave@ole.cdac.com

I have found, and it is highly recommended by Nakamichi, Intraclean.  They make
a cassette that you can run through your player.  They also make nice long 
swabs.   Goodluck
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From: raylai@keng.Eng.Sun.COM (Raymond Lai)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,ba.market.vehicles
Subject: Need Help!
Keywords: oid drain plug got rounded
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:18:24 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: keng

The oil drain plug of my Gelica got rounded.  A (nice) guy in Jiffy Lube
worked on it for a while and told me that I'd have to go to a dealership
to have it fixed.

Is the Toyota dealership the only place I can turn to?  Are there better
places to have this fixed?

Any help/suggestion/recommendation is appreciated.

-Raymond
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pradeep@bkd.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Pradeep Deshpande)
Subject: Power problems of a Suburu GL.
Reply-To: pradeep@bkd.b11.ingr.com
Organization: ISGS, Intergraph Corporation. Huntsville, AL-35894.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:14:27 GMT

	I own a '89 Suburu GL sedan. Lately, it's been running out of
breath once we reach the top of the ramp ascent or any climbs with more than
two people in the car and the AC on. Basically, once it reaches the top
it starts making rattling noise, which seems to be comming from the
engine and not the gearbox (automatic) and I have to slow down the car to
around 35mph which makes me a traffic hazard to other fellow drivers.

	My feeling is that 'power' is the problem. I have tried among other 
things using higher octane gas. I got it tuned sometime back with all new
spark plugs etc, when I completed 30K miles. I have maintained the car 
according to the manual. The car otherwise has no problems. A friend of mine
has a Suburu DL hatchback and he has similar problems with his car.
What could be the problem ?

	Secondly, can I convert this car into a TURBO model by any additions ?
If so would it cost me more than $500 ? I could not get this information from
the local Suburu dealer as he is an a**h**e and runs an ethically bankrupt
organization. As much as this sounds to be a redundant statement, this idiot
goes to the extreme to prove all the sterotypes. 

	Thanks for any advise and information.
-- 
-Pradeep.

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From: v085ns78@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Gregory J Perantoni)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Strike at Saturn?
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:54:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug30.225236.22236@bnr.ca>, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes...
>In article <1992Aug30.221408.6859@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug30.201804.20041@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
>|> writes:
>|> The cost of an Accord, according to my Japanese coworker, is
>|> the same as an Accord in the USA; it's about ~$14,000.  The
>|> Pontiac Grand Am, according to my Japanese coworker (who
>|> happens to have lived in both countries), is ~$14,000 in the USA
>|> but is ~$24,000 in Japan.
>|> 
>|> Tell me, Mr. Clayton.  Do you think that Accord owners in the USA
>|> would pay ~$24,000 for an Accord?
> 
>The cost of an Accord in Canada is about $19,000.  Does this answer your
>question?  What's the cost of Canadain beer, beef and lumber in the U.S.
>compared to Canada?  I can tell you it's higher (not including tax).

Well, since you asked, in Buffalo one can buy a case of Molson for $10.99
US Dollars. In Canada, last I bought a case of Molson it was about $17 US.
Granted, its not exactly the same beer, but thanks for telling me its higher. 

I never realized all the implications of the strike at Saturn, which isn't
really at Saturn. 

						Greg
Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:53:57 -0400 
From: Steve Anthony Nilsen <sn1k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Buying used 1988 Honda Accord LX
	<1992Aug22.221720.6322@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa

> There was a major change
>between the '85 and '86 Accords (the cars look totally different,
>different engines, etc.), and I was told that the 60K mile
>recommendation doesn't apply to '86 and on. However, for most
>if not all cars, one probably wants to replace the timing belt
>at a certain point anyway.
>-- 
>-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) >615-5135

I have an 86 Accord DX, and the original timing belt broke at 139,000
miles.  After replacing it, there was no damage to the engine, and it
runs great.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: Help!  Mildew odors from my ventilation system!
Summary: Mildew/musty odor emanating from ventilation system.
Keywords: Laser mildew odor ventialtion air-conditioning
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:12:02 GMT


Help!  I have a '92 Plymouth Laser (just over one month old).  In the
last week or so, a musty smell has been coming from my ventilation
system.  The odors definitely are coming from somewhere in the vents;
there is no odor when the A/C is not running.  The dealership says 
that about all they can do is to spray some air-freshener into the
fresh air duct.  This treats the symptom, not the problem.  Any
suggestions?  Has anyone else had this problem with the  
Laser/Eclipse/Talon?

If the best that I can do is to treat the symptom, does anyone have 
any suggestions for a good air-freshener that I can get *into* the
ventilation system in some way?  Key concerns here are a long-lasting
freshener of some type, and a method of getting the freshener into
the air ducts while ensuring that there is no danger of the 
freshener doo-hickey (for lack of a technical word :^) falling
irretrievably into the duct-work.

Thanks for any help you can offer . . .

                            Scott Borders
 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rshankar@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (Ravi Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Trouble engaging into 1st gear
Summary: Trouble engaging into 1st gear from Neutral
Keywords: gear neutral toyota celica
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:04:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology


Hi,


I have trouble  engaging into 1st gear from Neutral  anytime i start
the vehicle from a full stop  while i  am  able to comfortably
change it into 1st gear if i change  it just before the car comes to a
full stop, what  started as a occasional trouble now   happens at
almost every time stop at a red light.. Once i get it onto 1st gear
from then on the vehicle changes to any gear very smoothly...

Anybody seen this before?

/Ravi.
From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Keeping Glass Clean
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:38:50 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

> beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>I just bought a small japanese car and have no trouble keeping
>the paint clear and shinny with a $5 bottle of Armor ALl wax
>but what aobut the glass is there something bettern then WINDEX???

Another thing you may be concerned about is that using Armor All on
your dashboard will fog up your winsdhield.

---
Alan Cabrera				internet:  adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu
Computer Laboratory			phone:     (517) 353-3027
Michigan State University		fax:       (517) 353-9847
514 Computer Center			bitnet:    CABRERA@MSU
East Lansing, MI 48824
From: ue33+@andrew.cmu.edu (University Entrepreneurs Association)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lexus SC300
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:27:32 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I have been thinking about buying or leasing a Lexus SC300.  It is quite
>a stretch for me financially to own this car so I am naturally very
>curious about what other people's experiences with Lexus cars and 
>dealerships have been.
 
>I have the following questions which some of you out there might be able
>to answer or voice an opinion about.

>1.  I am interested in people's personal experience with the Lexus
>    coupe.  How does the car feel after the newness wears out?  Are Lexus
>    cars and dealerships really deserving of their remarkable reputation?
 
The coupe is a REALLY great car.  Stiffer (suspension) than the LS400
and other competing American cars, squishier than MBs or BMWs.  I had
the SC400 for 30K miles+ and was great.  The dealerships are as good as
they say.  One of my friends who still has a LS300 comments on the
service he receives every time he visits one; it may be the best things
about owning a Lexus.  Although I like the European cars better, the
Japanese by FAR take the award for the best dealerships.  My BMW dealer
now is still a jerk.


2.  What kind of price discount can one expect from a Lexus dealership 
    especially for the coupe?  So far, the salesman has been very low
    pressure but he quotes me an incredible high (at least to me) monthly
    lease of $688/month for a $37K car with a $4K capital cost reduction.
    Does that sound right?  Leases are very confusing to me.
 
Good luck.  They will rarely bargain on price.

3.  What color do you think the coupe looks best in?

I had the SC400 in the deep Metallic Green (I forget what they called
it).  It looks very good in that color.

-----------------------
D. Eric Bland
ue33@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon Computer Science Dept.
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From: yuta@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Lao Ya)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Whistling noise ('88 Ford Mustang 64K miles)
Summary: Whistling: Problem with fuel injector?
Keywords: Mustang, Noice, Leak, Fuel-Injector
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:40:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Friends on the net:
    My Mustang has not been running very well recently: the clutch cable
broke twice; although I just replaced the battery I always have to start
twice when the engine is cold--it's not a problem to start it, but it has
to go off in two seconds! And I often had problem getting on the first gear.
In the past few days, I had an additional problem: the engine gives off a
queaking noise (more clear when heard on the back part of the engine), not
too loud but VERY unpleasant. I brought it to a service shop (Mount Hope
Servicenter, Rochester), a guy checked on it and said a certain tube (?) 
is leaking and would take 2 O-rings and 1 hour to fix it. At the end of
the day, I got a call from the shop saying that the fuel injector needs
to be replaced (which costs $65+1 hr labor). I was a little pazzled and asked 
him whether he was sure the noise will go away when the injector is replaced,
the answer was that they need to see. Then I was a bit upset, and decided
to consult the experts on the net before letting them mess around any 
further. (Of course, I had to pay $50.83 for the work done -- replacing
2 O-rings which is good for nothing).
    So, I would like to ask you for your opinions on the noise specifically,
and on the car generally. Do you think such noise could be due to a 
problem of the injector (How much would an injector cost, can I get it
from a part store?)  And is it time to get rid of the car now (since
there are quite some problems appearing one after the other, could this
mean the car is dying)? Thanks for your time and thanks in advance for 
your response.
    Donald Lao Ya / University of Rochester
 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rpjohnso@epx.cis.umn.edu (Roger P. Johnson)
Subject: 1969 to 1972 Chev pickups
Summary: Southern rust free pickups
Keywords: arizona nevada texas pickups
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: national
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:46:06 GMT

Help needed here:

     I'm looking for a 1969 to 1972 Chevrolet 1/2 or 3/4 ton, 2WD or 4WD,
or both, from a southern rust free state such as Arizona.

     Does anyone know of any publications I can get, such as Arizona Statewide
Truck Trader so I can browse through and get some leads?

     Just how exactly rust free are they for those of you that live in the
southern part of the U.S. ?

     Any comments would be greatly apprieciated.

     -Roger,    email: rpjohnso@epx.cis.umn.edu