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From: kevin@samson.Eng.Sun.COM (Kevin Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:32:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 1@stsci.edu, toolan@stsci.edu () writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.170839.21572@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, 
> cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson) writes:
> > I'm just wondering what are the thoughts 
> > out there about getting a second dog...
> > I'm thinking we should get another one but
> > it's starting to look like a very big step!
> > 
> > Is it more work, about the same, or much more work
> > to have the second dog? Does it really help keep the first dog company or
> > do you now have 2 lonely dogs?  Does the first dog
> > get more active if there is another dog around or does
> > it depend on the breed?  Also, will 2 dogs making the
> > tranisition of having a child later more difficult or easier
> > than having one dog.  Or is this even an issue?  I ask 'cause I know
> > kids take alot of time which means less time for the dog(s).

My wife and I had the same thoughts about 9 months ago.  We had a fairly active
2 year old male German Shepard/Airdale Terrier mix mutt "Moses" (50 pounds).  He 
was very lonely while we were at work, so we decided to get him a brother.

We got a Golden Retriever puppy (2 month old) "Samson" from a breeder near or
home.  Moses was mad and jealous for about 6 weeks, but he did play with Samson
fairly often.  After the 6 weeks, the two seemed to settle in together, and they
keep each other busy most of the day.  Samson is now 9 months old and weighs 85
pounds.  The two dogs play together a lot, and follow each other around.

We don't have children yet, but I think that having the two dogs will alleviate
a lot of the jealousy when bringing home a baby and shifting more time towards
a child.

> > Also, if we get the second dog, how long will it
> > take us to know if it is going to work out or not?
> > 2 weeks, a month, more?  I want to make sure we
> > can return the second dog if it doesn't work out --
> > particularly if the #1 dog and it don't get along.
> 

For us, everything was back to normal in about 6 weeks.  The first week we 
were very worried because Moses would nip at the puppy.  We didn't want to
leave them alone together for too long a period.

After the second week, they started playing more, and we knew everything was
okay before 4 weeks were up.  The amount of time required may be a factor of
the compatiblity between the size of the dogs, but for us it was 4 weeks.


> > Thanks in advance for any discussion.
> > -- Carol Mount
> > hogpa!cjsm
 
Hope this helps.

Kevin Erwin
From: captain@tigger.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:36:50 GMT
Organization: UT Austin Computation Center, Unix Services
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I am not a regular reader of this group, so I hope my uneducated questions
won't offend anyone.

I've been reading the thread about 'pet peeves', big dogs going bananas, 
and I want to avoid any such occurance with my future pet.  I want a nice
friendly happy BIG dog that I can play with, and keep for home protection,
and companionship.

I've been thinking about an Irish Wolfhound, and maybe a Golden Retriever,
or a Dalmation.  I don't know if I should just start with one dog, or get
two.  My dogs have always seemed happier with company, but trying to train
TWO pups at once might prove too dificult.  Any comments? 

I'm hoping that some of you can comment on my breed choices, and also give
me the name of a really good dog owner's manual.  This is the first time
I will be the sole caretaker of a dog, and I want to do a good job.

Please respond by e-mail, as I don't know if I'll be able to keep up with
this newsgroup.
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:01:43 GMT

Carol S. was asking about getting a second dog, and I am very interested
in people's experiences on this subject.  Often people come into our
shelter looking for a second dog.  I'd like to advise them well.

My own impressions from talking to people is that two dogs are a little
more work than one dog, unless the dogs require a lot of grooming.
I think that two dogs keep each other from being bored, but can never
replace the human influence.  Dogs in multiple dog homes are not as
jealous when a baby comes into the picture; the dogs have their own
mini-society.  Two dogs keep each other more active, especially when
young.  And you can usually tell if two dogs are going to work out
in about two weeks time.  I've had many people bring their dogs in to
meet prospective second dogs.  It's my impression that this meeting 
isn't as important as matching the dogs' personalities. An overly 
aggressive with a very timid dog doesn't work well.  And two very
aggressive dogs could be asking for trouble.  Beyond that, it's best
to let the dogs work out their own hierarchy.  More than one real (blood-
drawing) fight in the first week, and I'd start to think about returning
the dog.  But I really gravitate toward less aggressive dogs.  It
certainly helps if both dogs have experienced multiple dog homes before,
or are young enough (under a 18 months?) to adapt.

Would anyone like to set me straight on any of these notions?  Anecdotal
responses are great with me.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Question regarding cost of registering a litter
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:55:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.135448.4103@cas.org>, sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine) 
writes:
>In article <rasmussenc.70.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> 
rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
>>Can anyone tell me how much it costs a breeder to register a litter of
>>puppies?  (AKC)
>>
>	It costs $15 for the breeder to register a litter of puppies with the
>AKC. This is probably the only inexpensive part of raising a litter.

Just out of curiousity, how about the new limited registration? Have any
of you breeders used it? If so, have you had problems placing puppies?
(A friend of mine who breeds just found out that someone she sold a
puppy to bred the dog to show the kids the miracle of birth - & neither
the bitch or stud were x-rayed (hips - these are labs) - & she could do
nothing but did try to educate the people to get the bitch x-rayed, spayed,
etc.)

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From: CR7709A@auvm.american.edu (Christine R. Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: co-ownership-how does it work?
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:04:28 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

I may have the opportunity to co-own a show-quality dog through a breeder
friend of mine, but I have some questions.  The way the breeder explained it to
 me was that I paid no initial fee for the dog.  I would show the dog (hope-
fully finishing it) and, if it were a bitch, allow the breeder pick of the
litter upon breeding it, and if it were a dog, allow her to use him for
breeding purposes at any time.  I would be responsible for any expenses (vet
bills, etc).  I know these sort  of arrangements are probably each unique, I
was hoping someone with experience and/or knoweldge about the subject could
let me know what the good and bad points of this sort of arrangement are.

Thank you.
From: micki@novell.com (Michelle Duncan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:22:34 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <19194@mindlink.bc.ca> Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes:

>"greying."  I'm not looking for sympathy.  I'm just noting what is a trend
>where I live, and I'm hoping it's not a trend where you live.

I have noticed it around here too...most obviously at the city college
by our home.  When planning for our puppy we had decided that the
schools soccer field would be perfect for excercise and since my
husband runs there regularly, it seemed ideal.  Course, now that we
have a puppy, the 'No Dogs' sign has appeared.  My husband is now
making plans to run at the state college.  Its a little farther away,
but they still allow dogs.

I did notice a book at the bookstore a while back called 'Where to
walk your dog in california' or something to that effect.  I'm going
to go pick it up this week.

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Subject: Re: Coyotes and dogs
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:08:26 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <16B548805.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu
(Chris Barnes) wrote:
> 
> In article <Stafford-110193154556@stafford.winona.msus.edu>
>    Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
> >My question is Are coyotes dangerous to dogs?  Will they
> >attack a domestic dog?  (I know that they are extremely
> >wary of humans and I've never found their tracks near my
> >house.)
>  
> The short, quick answer to both questions is:  yes.  Coyotes will,
> under even normal circumstances, view many domestic dogs as food
> and eat them.  On occation, the coyote will be persuaded to do
> other things (mate with a bitch in season for example), but those
> times are the exception, not the rule.

I've made the decision to return the dog to her former owners who
do love her but thought living out in the country would be better.
Last night, she wouldn't even go outside.  And I'm going to simply
coexist with the coyotes although I'm surprised at myself for
how easily I considered shooting them.  It won't happen.
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From: lois@Armstrong.EDU (Lois A. Houston)
Subject: Runaway beagle  (again)
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:54:54 GMT

First of all, I want to thank all of you who sent me mail - offering ideas,
etc.  But I have bad news.  I had planned to do exactly as all of you said,
and put an ID tag on her as soon as I got home.  Unfortunately, when I got
home she was gone.  I don't know how she got out - there were no places around
the fence where she dug out, the fence is flush with the house so she couldn't
have squeezed out, so the only thing my husband (poor, dear man) could
figure was that she climbed the fence. 

After Rob got home, greeted by a sniffly wife (I was very upset to lose her
again after just finding her), we rode through the neighborhood, knocking on
doors and asking all the people we knew that walked their dogs around the
neighborhood if they'd seen her and would they call if they  did.


Saturday I called the pound and the Humane Society and the local Save-a-Life
chapter.  Today I'm going to make up some signs and put them in mailboxes and
in the area stores.

I really feel helpless, but my mother keeps reminding me that, so far, Lucy
has always found nice people and that surely some kid is having a ball playing
with her. (She isn't as upset as  me and it's _supposed_ to be her dog!!)

I just hope I find her.

I will keep you posted on the happenings...

Thanks, guys, for being a "shoulder."  It's hard to find REAL animal lovers 
these days, and until I started reading the rec.pets groups, I thought I was
alone in the world!

Lois


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From: lois@Armstrong.EDU (Lois A. Houston)
Subject: Help! Ideas for finding lost puppy
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:19:07 GMT

We ALMOST had a beagle.  My brother's girlfriend's father's girlfriend's 
grad students (she's a professor) found a puppy on the side of the road 
in Louisiana when they were coming back from Texas for Christmas break.  
They almost hit her and they said there were no houses or "civilization" 
anywhere near, so they figured she was abandoned and brought her home 
with them.  So, anyway, they couldn't keep her in their apartment so they 
gave her to their teacher who couldn't keep her, and my brother's girlfriend
told him the story.  He called mom and we had a beagle puppy.  

Until last night, that is.  She ran away. (sniff) :-(   
I hope she finds her way back to Mom's but I'm afraid that with all this 
rain (it's rained the last 3 days) washing away her scent trail, she's gone 
for good.  I'm going to make a sign and put it out in the neighborhood and see
if we can find her.  I just hope she doesn't get hit by a car.

We've never had a beagle before -other "hunting" dogs, but not beagles,
and I don't know if there is anything unique about beagles that might help
us find her.  My mom is convinced she's trying to find her way home (to
Louisiana, not us).  I just want to find her before something happens to
her.

So, if any of you have any ideas, PLEASE let me know.  I plan to make a flyer
and go around the neighborhood tonight and tomorrow, but I don't know what else
to do.

Thanks for "listening."
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: alarm dogs
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:12:54 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: world
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Our young Corgi (1 yr on Dec 28) is just starting to bark alone at strange
things (she's always barked along if the older Corgi raises an alarm).

Over the weekend she saw a piece of tissue paper being blown across the
floor by air from the furnace.  This was Just Not Right, and she went
nuts barking at it, all hackles raised.  It was pretty funny.  

She also hasn't quite figured out that she doesn't need to bark at reflections
in the windows at night....

I'm working with her to let her know that I WANT her to bark when she
thinks something is strange, and then I want her to STOP when I tell her.
The second part is harder than the first, in my experience with the
older one....  :-)

Corgis DO make great alarm dogs.  They are very alert to what's Right and
what Is NOT Right, and they bark readily at the latter.

I suspect protectiveness in Corgis varies with the individual (only once
has my older dog moved to protect me -- against what she perceived as a
threat from another dog -- but there haven't been situations where I wished
she would be protective, either.)  

My older dog is trained to bark to "who is it?", which I use if I hear
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dominance (was Re: Strange puppy behavior)
Summary: thanks for the input
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:54:52 GMT


Thanks to everyone for their input about my male Peke, Jamie.  I got
more of a response on housetraining him than on his face rubbing!
When my Mom -who isn't too mobile but very vocal- chastises Jamie for
peeing on the carpet, she grabs him by the scruff of his neck, shakes
him, and lectures him "NO! BAD BOY!" etc...  The pets (previous dogs
included) have always seen me as their littermate.  Missy, who died
this last year at 12, would bite me for disciplining her, but was
totally subordinate to Mom.  Our dachshund, Sophie, is more mild with
moments of stubbornness.  She and I get along quite well.  I tell her
come, and she comes, etc...  Jamie has learned a few commands from
already -stay, back.  He does refuse to come, even to Mom.  This is
definitely something we have to work on.  Neither puppy -Sophie is
just a year, Jamie is about 4 months- is ill mannered around company.
Sophie is very shy, especially around men.  Jamie loves everyone.
I feel that if I were home more, I could have more of an input.
Dog training is an excellent idea.  Does anyone have any opinion
on Petsmart dog training classes?  One has to be careful about where
to go.  There was a "scandal" in the last year or so about a dog
training place here in Tucson that was cited for dog abuse.

Thanks again!

Margaret	littermate of Sophie and Jamie
		Mia, the Siamese martyr, suffers our presence
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Herding list??
Summary: I want to subscribe
Keywords: herding stockdogs
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:21:52 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Howdy, all and Happy New Year!

A month or so ago Marla Belzowski mentioned there might be a
herding mailing list.  Marla, I to email but it bounced consistently.
(I used this address, BTW: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)

Anyway, if anyone could provide me with subscription info I would
appreciate it.  I could not find it on the Internet list of mailing
lists (which did have the golden retriever list).

Please email me even if you post.  Thanks!

bws
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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:42:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.144356.7582@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>P.S.  Just as a humorous side note, our oldest dog really helped train
>the puppy.  When the puppy piddled where he wasn't supposed to, Max 
>dragged him to the door by the ear.  When the puppy didn't come when
>called, Max dragged him to me.  It was very funny.


Our oldest growls and snaps at the two younger puppies if we yell at them,
or even if she sees them doing something she knows is bad (like jumping
on the couch).  It is definitely a different growl from any of her others,
and she seems very proud of herself for punishing them for us!  The only
problems is that she "punishes" whichever puppy is closer, whether it is
the bad one or not, and when we yell at her she assumes we're mad at a
puppy and "punishes" the nearest!  We call her "Kenzie the Enforcer"!


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese

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From: thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman)
Subject: Breeding info
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:27:22 GMT

I, too, was looking at Dalmations and the breeder told me something
which seems a bit peculiar to me.

He told me that it is OK to inbreed father and daughter.

So my question is, how much inbreeding can be done?  How far back should
I check the bloodline?

Thanks for the help!

Thuy-An

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From: kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:09:55 GMT

We had two dogs when we had our son five years ago.  Never really had
a problem.  In fact, most of the problems came from relatives who
thought the dogs would turn on the baby and thought we should get rid
of them.  As it turned out there was very little extra work (with the
dogs that is).  We did have very mellow breeds though--Lab/Aust. Shep.
mix and a husky.  The older dog (the mix) simply ignored the baby, and
the husky was all excited about the new pack member.  He always wanted
to see the baby, which we allowed under supervision, and he eventually
settled down.  Now they act more like siblings.

Kim Murphy
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From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:55:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

I think that you are correct - cats are the leading pet at the moment (i like
both).  But more than an anti-dog trend i think that it is more of a
frustration and intolerance.  There are dog owners who don't do a very good
job of picking up after their pets in parks.  There are dog owners who don't
handle their dogs well enough, and their dogs become neighborhood pests.  In
apartments, a lot of times it's the same w/ whatever pet a person chooses.
W/ housing at a premium (in most of the places i've been) the landlords get to
be picky.  Mostly, though, i think that it's kind of a reactionary intolerance,
not just to pets but to anything that a group of individuals doesn't want to
deal with.  (I've seen developments that didn't want any children in them.)

The most we can do is be a little tolerant ourselves, and be responsible owners.

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