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From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cool dude, just what we need to show how much we can benefit from an education
in the USA, especially in a reknown instituition such as M.I.T . Keep it up
Are you inviting flaming ?
You claim to have broaden your horizons, but you are clearly not showing it.

> Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
>foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
>the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
>turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
>propaganda of other governments.
>
Whose Ignorance? yours probably. You should take the time and examine some
environmental issues, which has nothing to do with the propaganda of other
govts. I'm thankful that not all Malaysians i met are like you, in fact, you 
are the first and i hope the only one.

>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>their propaganda or their pressures...

YA. way to go, show the world how stupid and ignorant you actually are.This is 
absolutely childish attitude displayed by your comments. Like a rebellious kid
who refuses to take any advice but instead intensifies his deeds.
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Boy, you are narrow minded. What do you know about the US history anyway? What
do you have to gripe about ? Remember, it's history and we just learn from
it. You sound as though you are a native. Lighten up.
From: LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Use of word 'Negro'
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:37:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: nettlera.9204140437.AA15658
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Unparsable-Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 12:31:12 SST +0800

I apologise for my use of the word 'negro'.  I assure all concerned (no, I
take that back, I don't want to assure that racist Azizam of anything) that
I used the word with the intention of choosing a respectful word, and it
seems I was wrong.  Please replace the word with "races of African origin".
Oh yeah,, I guess Azizam does not know how to read an article in the context
of the article, where as can be open for all to see, was intended to support
this principle of racial harmony.
Again, my apologies (to all other than Zam) for any misgivings arising.

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Law Undergraduate                 | my own and in no way reflects the
National University of Singapore  | opinions of the National Univeristy
----------------------------------| of Singapore, or any of its student
Email: law40001@nusvm.bitnet      | bodies.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:45:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.034044.2999@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>
>	I am sure you don't know the ones that I am talking about.
>They have never been to any UMNO meetings, and their fathers are some
>of the most influential people in Malaysia.  Let's just leave it at
>that; I am not going to name names.

So, the fact that a Malay does not go to any UMNO meetings makes him
not worthy of being one?

Let me put it this way. Direct and candidly.

We were sent here to study and reap the vast knowledge available here.
Learn to interact and develop an ability to adapt and assimilate.
In other words, learn what is learnable including experiences outside
the lecture halls and apply them later in life.

What the government DID NOT send us here for was to participate in political
meeting and worrying which one of us should become PM twenty years from now.

To the ambitious, UMNO can wait for four years for you. There is no rush.
UMNO will still be there when you graduate.

If you wish to make a difference, then the first step is making a difference
in yourself, then you may look ahead into the future.

In the immortal words of YODA, the Jedi master, "You! Always looking into
the future. Always thinking of the stars. Never where you mind really was.
What you were doing. No I cannot take him!"

Does the fact that they alienate themselves from other Malays make them less
Malay?
At least they're not caught in the traditional Malay mentality and not
stuck in the so-called kampung community.

If their dads are influential, so what?
What has that got to do with them?
Are you inferring that their lavish lifestyles are making them forget
their Malay roots?
At least they're not grouping together and interacting with a single race!
Why all the presumptions?
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

-Rezal
From: adaniel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Agus Daniel - EECS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:03:31 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <92098.172733BEUBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> Beng L. Ung <BEUBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I think you guys ought to watch "Medicine Man" starring Sean
>Connery and Lorraine Braco.  It was definitely worth the $7.50.
>

	Elaborate more on your suggestion, well $7.50 can buy me
 a good lunch at McDonald, why should i spend this money to watch the
 movie??. Relevance is important!

 -- agus
From: ad778@YFN.YSU.EDU (Andrew Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Subang Fire!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:41:49 GMT
Reply-To: ad778@yfn.ysu.edu



Subang Airport (part of it) caught fire over the Raya break. Any other
better informed sources??

You heard it here first.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: NS
Organization: CSA Research, Singapore.
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 01:04:25 GMT

lsomasun@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (L Somasundaram) writes:

>Reservist is costly - our careers depend on it, virtually. Firstly, it is
>difficult to get jobs because employers are not willing to release you for
>a month or so even though they are not going to pay for the time during 
>which your service is lost. Foreigners are preferred; the trouble the
>employer goes through obtaining authorization for the foreigner to work
>in S'pore certainly seems less than if the employer hired a honest, patriotic
>citizen.

If the above is true, it is an indictment of our immigration/job policies
vis-a-vis foreign citizens.  

The govt already has a ratio of number of Singaporeans to foreign workers
at least for the manufacturing industry.  Perhaps what we need is a ratio
for the other fields as well.

Given all the ill-will against reservists duties etc, how are we to attract
home Singaporeans who have done themselves and Singapore proud elsewhere?

NS and Reservist stints are a dilemma for us all.  Incoming new immigrants
do not serve NS - only their 2nd generation does.  Is that fair?  PRs and
new citizens get almost equal opportunities in terms of govt services, HDB
apartments etc.  It would appear that being a male Singapore citizen is
actually a liability for it costs 2.5 years of NS and 13 or so years there
after of reservists duties.

Richard Hu has introduced a $500 and a $1000 relief from income tax for
reservists (dormant and active reservists respectively).  It is a very small
token, but none the less, a start.

My dad reminded me a few years ago that when NS was first started, the govt
made a promise that all men who completed NS will be given priorities for
entry into the universities.  I do not think there has been anything like
that at all.  If someone can go through the newspapers of 1967-1969, perhaps
we can all be enlightened.

Enjoy.
--
Harish Pillay             harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore               "Psst!  Wanna buy some gum?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: KyleHor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: More replies (long...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:04:40 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Apr9.1378.a0012@moe.gov.sg>, tansm@moe.gov.sg writes:
|> Chee Keong Ng writes:
|> 
|> > A graduate of National University of Singapore, 1986
|> 
|> That makes you a very rich man or else your mum or dad must be very rich.
|> Else how on earth can you be studying in the US when you are suppose to
|> server your 3 years bond in Singapore?  Am I missing something here. 
|> If my assumption is correct, you must have put up close to S$200K to have
|> your bond defered.  You must be a rich guy then and should I then 
|> conclude that your IQ wasn't that high either? 
|> 
|> Just a thought and we remember you. Have you fill up your PIPS form yet?

What is this policing all about ?  

               1992 - 1986 = 6 years > 3 years.

Can somebody please confirm that my maths is correct? :)

...Kyle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Assimilation by the Chinese in Malaysia....
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:56:58 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr12.183240.16282@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	Anyway, I have not mentioned the Baba population because they
>do not comprise a major part of a Chinese community.  Their number is
>very small, almost negligible among the 5m Chinese in Malaysia.  If
>every Chinese in Malaysia strives to be like a Baba Melaka, you would
>never hear a word from me in this newsgroup.  But that is not the
>case.
>
>	Baba Melaka is an exception.  They should be the model for 
>every living Malaysian Chinese in Malaysia.

Right fine.  I did not mention that I am a descendent of a Baba/Nonya
family.  Mom and Grandma even wears sarongs, and grandma even wears
baju Kebaya.  Look at what you have been calling the likes of me.  
"Irks", "chinks", "PRC/CPM supporters", "go F**k yourself" to 
mention a few.  So, eat your words.  FYI, none of my direct family
members are Moslems.  I suppose now you want to attack the 
non-Moslems then, is it not right?

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Subject: Re: bored beyond belief II
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:29:02 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <54621@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:

>...I know...why don't we talk about food!!!  Yesss!!!  I think that's it.
>I've been needing the recipe on how to make a true "kuah" for "laksa
>Penang".  Anybody our there really expert on making the kuah?  
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I won't claim to be an expert on Penang laksa but I have mom's recipe.
I will post it when I find the time to type it in.

>It's the kuah that really give it a kick doesn't it?

Yep.  You are right.  Although having the Bunga Kantan fresh helps.

>...and another thing, is yong tou fou(I don't even know the exact spelling)
>a malaysian chinese dish or it pretty much universal?  I've tried to
>order it in an oriental restaurant before but they just looked at me as if
>I'm crazy.  My friends from HK and Taiwan never heard of it before.
>well, maybe it's just a malaysian 'thing'.  

I think Yong Tau Fu is a Hakka thing.  Most of the Chinese restaurants
around the world is Cantonese, they might not know what it is.

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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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Organization: Sophomore, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The privileges of the Sultans
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:02:09 GMT
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....

In article <1992Apr10.211217.21774@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
{ other drivel deleted }

   >	Finally, the monarchy in UK brings in a lot of money through 
   >tourism.  You will be surprised to see all those people during the
   >changing of the guard in Buckingham Palace.

	   Of course.  Brown-nosers...  At least our country no longer
   has to pay respect to that old-Lady.  

What has watching a ceremony got to do with brown-nosing?  One brown-noses only
if there is a possibility of being noticed favourably by the powers-that-be.
In a ceremony like the changing of the guard, there is NO possibility of being
noticed in the crowd.  One is just another faceless piece of humanity in a
crowd.  So your allegations are ludicrous.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:24:08 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr17.051941.20017@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>>For sure.  There is *NO* "free" newspaper in Indonesia or Malaysia.
>>>They are all govt controlled to some degree.  That's my point.
>>
>>Did you ever complaint to Malaysian Govt??? because of controlling
>>the news?

>Yes.  If you have read my posts in the past, you will know what I mean.  
>But that's beside the point.  What I am trying to say is govt controlled
>newspaper don't always tell the whole truth at best and lies at worst.

So who do you think will tell the truth? Foreign reporters who against
a country? :-)

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>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:28:40 GMT

zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

.....deleted.....
	
>	I hate to nitpick but the official name given to the October
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>event is G.30.S/PKI, and not G30S-PKI...   :-)
 ^^^^^^^

I also hate to know somebody who doesn't know talk about the case!.
Just a clue for you S=September NOT October.

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Darmawan 
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Proposed Islamic Laws in Kelantan
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:35:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.200830.23308@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <920407215212.21a080ef@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU> AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR) writes:
>>Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
>>expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???
>
>	The punishment should be as prescribed by the Kuran; you know,
>our holy book...
>

Well? what is the punishment? tell us.....i'm sure there's a lot of people
who'd like to know?

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: saustin@bbn.com (Ling Khong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mohktar, Arunmugam
Date: 17 Apr 1992 18:32:46 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Moey Wai Sin writes:


>  > I thought football in Malaysia bind us together.  I was sadden
>  > by the news of the deaths of Moktar Dahari (sp ??) and goalkeeper
>  > Arunmugam (sp ??).

I remember reading about Mokhtar's death a couple of years ago in a car
accident. But when did Arumugam die? What did he die of?

Talking about Malaysian footballers -- what has happened to people
like Santokh Singh, Soh Chin Aun, James Wong, Wong Chee Keong (sp?)
and people of that batch which ensured Malaysia' entry into the
Olympics in 1972 (or was it 1976)?

	Ling KHONG

Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:08:53 -0400 
From: Azmeer Salleh <as60+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Malaysian recipe #1
Distribution: world

Cool recipe....

and before all my messages start to look alike, let it be known that I
WOULD try cooking myself some fish/chicken if only I *could* get my
hands on some chicken/fish and a good stove.....

But what I could do with right now is some nasi kerabu......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>this earth.

I wonder what would the Jews think of Mr Zam? I hope that you are not condoning
to what Hitler did....but boy, you sure sound as if you do.....

What might we have here? Another Hitler perhaps?

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 (maybe a Nazi)

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: To create a better Malaysia III
Keywords: Too many intelectuals but...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:56:09 GMT

In article <53812@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.205150.8616@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>> In article <53695@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:
>> 
>> >Even our sultan(whom supposedly to represent us, malays) display an act of
>> >sheer arrogant and not to mention extravagance.  Think about all the money
>> >($2.3 mill. M'sian ringgit I was told) he could used to help out those
>> >malays under his nose out of poverty(that just one case from only one Sultan
>> >...some people say the dumbmest and the more unwealthy ones).  Is this a 
>> >symbol that the Malays been bragging about? 
>> 
>> 
>> 	I think you owe some Malays on this network an apology for
>> calling the Sultan of Kelantan "the dumbest of all Sultans".  You have
>> no facts to back up the allegation.  It is an insult to Kelantanese in
>> general and all Malays.  I don't mind the statement if it is a fact,
>> but your making this remark based on a rumor is uncalled for.  You
>> claim yourself to be an intelligent person: how could an intelligent
>> person branded a Sultan as "dumb" without basing his comments on any
>> factoids?
>> 
>> 	As a Kelantanese, I believe you owe me an apology for calling
>> my Sultan the above.

>Dear Zam,

>	You are right, it's a rumor but is it really?  If you refrain
>yourself from acting hastily you wouldn't have missed the second last
>line of the first paragraph.  The key word is,"...some people
>said...".  I have nothing else to say to you.

	Let's play this "some people said.." game, alright?  I heard
you beat up your wife and abuse your kids....

>particular person's action.  He refuses to pay inport duty on his brand new
>luxurious sports car, "steal" it from the customs etc.  Would a wise leader
>do that?

	It is within his rights to refuse to pay for the import duty
because his application to the Kelantanese state government was
approved before he bought the car.  Also, the only reason why the
federal government did not approve his application is because the
Sultan of Kelantan has been accused of siding with the opposition
during the last General Election. In addition to this, he is not the
only royalty with an excellent collection of luxury cars; just about
every other royalty in Malaysia plays this game.  Look at England for
instance: do you think the Queen used her money to alleviate the
suffering of some of her subjects, when all this time she was the
richest woman in the world?

	What the Royalty does with his/her money is none of our
business.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud