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From: swu@rad.rpslmc.edu (shuojiun wu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: HP IIP with PostScript Cartridge on Sun IPC
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:39:12 GMT
Reply-To: swu@rad.rpslmc.edu
Organization: Rush Presbyterian-St. Lukes Medical Center, Chicago IL 60612

Hi,

I have been trying to install a HP IIP with PostScript Cartridge on Sun IPC
without any luck.  Currently my HP IIP is connected to serial port B on IPC.
Before adding in the PostScript Cartridge, I can print simple text files and
IslandWrite files to this printer.  Although it takes about 2 minutes to print.
This means there is no communication problem between my HP and /dev/ttyb on IPC.After adding in the 2 Mb memory board and PostScript cartridge, the printer stopprinting !!  If I lpq to check the status of my printer, it says active, but thejobs size is 0.  But the job size is not 0.  I saw the <on-line> panel is on,
and the light of <form feed> is blinking.  The display panel of HP IIP says
<PS Busy>.  About 1 minute later, everything is back to normal, the display
panel says <MP Letter Ready>, but nothing come out !!

I think something need to be done in /etc/printcap file.  Any input will be
highly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Happy Holiday !! :)


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From: bk@analytikerna.se (Bengt KLEBERG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:03:46 GMT
Reply-To: bk@analytikerna.se
Organization: Analytikerna AB, Stockholm, Sweden

Sun Sweden has been doing so many customer surveys as of lately, that I
kindly asked them to do less last time they called. So the information
is going in. And since I strongly favour SunOS5 over SunOS4 I belive
that the right things are going out.

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:22:32 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Hey Ken, do you understand how linking works?  Do you understand what
>statically linking programs means?  Do you understand what an ABI
>defines?

Yup.

An SVR4 ABI defines a bunch of procedure-call interfaces that
dynamically-linked programs call.

It says *NOTHING* about traps into the kernel, other than saying "well,
one or more of these trap instructions may be used for 'system calls',
so don't use them for your own purposes."

>Do you even understand why there might be a need to have a
>program statically linked, especially if you are dealing with commercial
>software and customers whose environment are not exactly like your own?

OK, then there might be a need to have non-SVR4-ABI compliant programs,
then, 'cuz an executable image that does a "stat()" by trapping into the
kernel, rather than calling "stat()", is *NOT* SVR4 ABI-compliant.....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Keywords: interesting old thought
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:38:52 GMT

tagoldth@spine.med.utoronto.ca (Thomas A. Goldthorpe) writes:
>I have no choice but to buy SparcIntosh (tm) machines these days,
>simply because this is what sun puts out.  I will eventually have to
>buy into the sunos5.0 stuff, since this is what they will keep fixing
>(for the time being, at least).  I have no choice since the
>businessmen around me say that "if businessmen at sun said so, then do
>it".

OK, maybe we all agree that we don't like it when we are not
given choices by Sun and are forced into spending a lot of
time and money to get the new stuff.  But, ask yourself:

  -- did you really think any computer you purchase
     will be viable for more than a few years?
  -- choices cost money!  [for Sun to support multiple
     hardware platforms and possibly multiple operating
     systems costs A LOT -- any company is simply going
     to amortize the cost over all the systems (which
     means we all pay more)]
  -- any vendor you choose will approach the problem
     in the same way:

     * HP has 4 architectures: PA-RISC, 3000, 68xxx, x86
     * DEC has 4 architectures: Alpha, VAX, MIPS, x86
     * IBM has ? architectures: RS/6000, ...

     I will bet anything that the number of architectures
     will be smaller next year, and the year after that.

Anything Sun does will hurt some people and help others.  We
have to take the hurt with the help, and move on.

Darin Okuyama
NASA Ames Research Center
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Keywords: interesting old thought
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:08:32 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>     * HP has 4 architectures: PA-RISC, 3000, 68xxx, x86
>     * DEC has 4 architectures: Alpha, VAX, MIPS, x86
>     * IBM has ? architectures: RS/6000, ...
>
>     I will bet anything that the number of architectures
>     will be smaller next year, and the year after that.

Yup.  For example, 68K-based HP machines may have a longer life than
68K-based Sun machines did, but I suspect HP likes HP-PA more than the
68K architecture, and that the most interesting HP-UX machines will, in
the future, be PA machines rather than 68K machines.

(The obvious variant of that will probably apply to DEC as well.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: johnn@eskimo.com (John Navitsky)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:07:19 GMT

In article <BzI0Ls.GGo@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> riyer@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (Rajappa Iyer) writes:
>I am a fairly recent reader of this group -- but even in the short time
>that I have been reading it, I find it increasingly hard to ignore the
>fact that Sun seems to be fucking its customers over. The new LX series
>are a case in point. Sun users cannot plonk for the new machines no
>matter *how* attractive the pricing for the simple reason that they
>have already invested in apps for SunOS 4.1.x. My organization is also
>one of the few "victims." It's all very well for Sun/Solaris proponents
>to say "Oh but you can *still* buy old machines and run SunOS 4.1.x on
>it." That's precisely the kind of trap I wished to avoid when I switched
>to Sun. I want to be able to run the same apps on newer and faster machines.
>
>Isn't anybody at Sun doing their homework right?

I really suspect that Sun is trying to set themselves (and us) for the 
long haul.  Unfortunatly this means (among other things) some pain, as
in the move to SV4 derived Solaris.  It would seem to me that they want
to get it over with.  

I think the real issue here is the software vendors who go, "oh, the
software doesn't run on the new OS?!   Gosh." 

Another thought, there was resitance when Sun moved from the Sun 3 to the Sun 4
class machines, but I don't hear a lot of calls for the new
Sun 3/5000 server.  :-)  I think in the end people thought it was for the
best.

Please everyone, remember to budget for upgrades!  :-)  Hardware, software,
staff, inflation, whatever... [honest, I'm not trying to sound preachy here]

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:07:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Is any other non-peecee vendor doing svr4, though?  Many are going the OSF
>route,

Such as?  IBM and HP don't seem to be going the full-blown OSF route;
I've not heard a solid committment from either one to toss out their
current flavor of UNIX in favor of OSF/1.  DEC is the only major player
I've seen get fully behind OSF/1....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:53:45 GMT

>Depends on what the customer is doing. If they are really into (trying
>to) standardizing their environment, they will appreciate a common base.

Is any other non-peecee vendor doing svr4, though?  Many are going the OSF
route, so svr4 instead of SunOS/BSD isn't different.  Those of use who may
have to spend time back-porting BSD stuff to svr4 aren't as appreciative.

>Also, SunOS 5.x brings in quite a few new features.

To be honest, about all I ever wanted from SysV land was the cron system, and
Sun gave us that long ago.

>I believe SUn was trying to get "back into the mainstream". They had
>an agreement with AT&T that gave them a very good position to define
>what SVR4 was going to be.

On the other hand, it seemed to me that SunOS as it was was already more
persuasive in the overall market than SysV.

>And it seems they got many things in that
>made generic SVR4 much better than SVR3.

I'm still waiting to see a list of what is and isn't in SVR4.

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From: tony@monster.apd.saic.com (Tony Zukas)
Subject: Accessing ID PROM
Organization: SAIC Reston, VA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:37:20 GMT

I have an application where I need to open and read
the contents of the ID PROM.  Does anyone have any
pointers in this direction?

I have looked at the prom structure defines in 
/usr/include/sundev/openpromio.h but have not
been able to determine exactly what the driver needs
(exactly how to fill the structure out).

Any ideas would be appreciated.

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From: paulshew@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Paul W. Shew)
Subject: HELP! Dynamic link broken?!
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:06:51 GMT

After installing a HD to our Sun IPC, our super user moved some files into
the new HD. Something strange happened, when some programs were run, the
system reports:

ld.so: __DYNAMIC version 0 not supported

I would really appreciate if you can help to resolve this, otherwise, I would
have to re-build lots of programs (including the MIT X11 system). Thanks in
advance.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.043059.1621@afterlife.ncsc.mil> dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp) writes:
> Stop whining and grow up.  That is the first time I've heard anybody
> complain about Internet freeware because it costs too much to download.

It's happened before, it'll happen again. There's a lot of stuff that shows
up on the net we can't effectively get because we're not directly connected.

As for 5bin and 5lib, we're using SYstem V elsewhere and we tried putting
them first in the path. We had to back out of that because too much stuff
broke.
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Motif for SUN - Summary
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:16:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <1992Dec22.160310@pandora.calgary.chevron.com>
vzspa@pandora.calgary.chevron.com (zoltan s. palmai) writes:

|  This is a summary of my original posting with regards suggestions/recom-
|  mendations on obtaining Motif for our SUN workstations. 
|  [...]
|  From those who responded, it seems that the product from ICS is one of the
|  more popular choices.  However, there are several other vendors to choose
|  from.  The March 1991 issue of UNIX WORLD had a review of several of these.
|  
|  So, here's a list of those which I have heard of:
|  [...]

One you really missed was Accent Toolkit.  This was shown at the recent
Sun Users' Group meeting in San Jose CA.  The product apparently does
several things (singly and in combination):

	- converts Motif-based programs to OpenLook-based programs.  Saw a
	  demo of several LARGE programs converted.  Impressive!  And no
	  sending $$$ to OSF for Motif licenses.

	- is also a GUI-development toolkit which permits a runtime choice
	  of whether to "look like" Motif or to "look like" OpenLook.

Am awaiting more info, but here's how to get more information:

	Accent Toolkit from:

	National Information Systems, Inc.
	4040 Moorpark Avenue
	San Jose  CA 95117-1852

	Tel: 408 / 985-7100
	FAX: 408 / 246-3127

	email: nis@netcom.com

NIS was also demo'ing a Project Management System, Accent GraphicVUE, running
on Sun SS2, IPX, SGI, HPUX, etc. boxes in any of OpenLook (OpenWindows) and
Motif.

I want to see xephem (from export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib) converted!  :-)

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Summary: Sun applications not working under Solaris...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:25:20 GMT

In article <id.BD0W.W0I@ferranti.com>, peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> In article <BzI0Ls.GGo@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> riyer@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (Rajappa Iyer) writes:
> > are a case in point. Sun users cannot plonk for the new machines no
> > matter *how* attractive the pricing for the simple reason that they
> > have already invested in apps for SunOS 4.1.x.
> 
> I don't understand why 4.1 apps don't work under Solaris? Is it a matter of
> Solaris not having back-compatible shared libraries, or did they break
> something?

     Aside from things not being 100% back-compatible, the other problem is
vendors that for one reason or another loaded thier executables statically.
From: derry@hardy.u.washington.edu (Derry Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Exporting Serial Ports
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:48:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i00suINNenp
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

Maybe a silly question, but can a serial port be exported to another machine?
I'm running a Sparc2 with a modem on ttya/cua0 that some people on another host
would like to use, but they're shady enough that I don't want to give them
accounts on my machine.  Is this doable?  Thanks!
							:)  Derry


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
From: fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: Re: ToolTalk standard Messages sets ?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.003632.10427@gasco.com> dlc@gasco.com (Darci L. Chapman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.190439.28023@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, dwolfe@halcon.lerc.nasa.gov (Dana Wolfe) writes:
>
>> 	On page 83 of the Jan 1993 issue of SunWorld the 
>> ToolTalk standard message sets are mentioned. The article 
>> says the message set specifications are public domain and 
>> available from SunSoft. 
>> 
>> My question is: Can I FTP these from somewhere ?
>
>I'd be interested in these too.

	I got my copy of "The CASE Interoperability Message Sets" from
	gatekeeper.dec.com:

		/pub/case/casemsg.ps 

	It's humongous (about 200 pages).

	Frank G.
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From: chris@cs.uchicago.edu (Chris Johnston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SCCS vs RCS
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:59:17 GMT
Organization: AM Investors, Chicago


    I use RCS, it does what I want and works well.  I think it is easy
to use.  I've never used SCCS but when ever my wife changes jobs she
complains for several weeks about having to write wrapper scripts to
make SCCS useable.  Larger projects should consider CVS which is built
on top of RCS.

    RCS and CVS are available via anonymous ftp.  RCS came
preinstalled on my Convex.  On a Sun you'll need to change the make
rules or get GNU gmake.

cj
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: da-cs629@andy.bgsu.edu (da-cs629)
Subject: Sun 3-50 & Open Windows 2.0
Keywords: Sun 3-50
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:02:29 GMT

Does anyone know if a sun 3-50 will run openwindows 2.0?

	jason sattler

	jsattle@dad.bgsu.edu
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:52:15 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>>  I don't know
>>why, but apparently some 3rd party vendors do use -Bstatic, so their
>>applications won't work on Solaris 2.
>
>A few of them do it so their customers won't have to buy additional
>runtime libraries (such as the FORTRAN runtime library) in order
>to run their software.

Then it appears those third-party vendors need to be taught that
"-Bstatic" is a positional flag, and that there's a "-Bdynamic" as well;
just because you link statically with library A, you don't necessarily
have to link statically with all the other libraries your program is
linked with.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Summary: Movin' On..
Keywords: interesting old thought
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:32:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.203852.8733@news.arc.nasa.gov>, okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR) writes:
> Anything Sun does will hurt some people and help others.  We
> have to take the hurt with the help, and move on.

     To another vendor...

     We don't have to take it, and that's an important point.  Make it clear
to Sun that you won't take it and they'll either be forced to follow the
market or go out of business.

     Write into your purchase orders for new Sun equipment that the purchase
is conditioned on the equipment being able to run Sun/OS 4.1.x.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: dwolfe@halcon.lerc.nasa.gov (Dana Wolfe)
Subject: ToolTalk standard Messages sets ?
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:04:39 GMT

	On page 83 of the Jan 1993 issue of SunWorld the 
ToolTalk standard message sets are mentioned. The article 
says the message set specifications are public domain and 
available from SunSoft. 

My question is: Can I FTP these from somewhere ?

Thanks.

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From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
Summary: System-V
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.080719.16062@eskimo.com>, johnn@eskimo.com (John Navitsky) writes:
> In article <BzI0Ls.GGo@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> riyer@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (Rajappa Iyer) writes:
> >I am a fairly recent reader of this group -- but even in the short time
> >that I have been reading it, I find it increasingly hard to ignore the
> >fact that Sun seems to be fucking its customers over. The new LX series
> >are a case in point. Sun users cannot plonk for the new machines no
> >matter *how* attractive the pricing for the simple reason that they
> >have already invested in apps for SunOS 4.1.x. My organization is also
> >one of the few "victims." It's all very well for Sun/Solaris proponents
> >to say "Oh but you can *still* buy old machines and run SunOS 4.1.x on
> >it." That's precisely the kind of trap I wished to avoid when I switched
> >to Sun. I want to be able to run the same apps on newer and faster machines.
> >
> >Isn't anybody at Sun doing their homework right?
> 
> I really suspect that Sun is trying to set themselves (and us) for the 
> long haul.  Unfortunatly this means (among other things) some pain, as
> in the move to SV4 derived Solaris.  It would seem to me that they want
> to get it over with.  

     Nah, don't see any big advantages to System-V4r for the customer for
either the short or long haul.  I do see some big advantages to AT&T.

     I suspect it went something like this... Sun is becoming a major vendor
but they're a little short on cash..  The BSD4.4 project is nearing
completion and almost all Sys-5 source has been removed.  Sun's kernal is
based on BSD..  If the Sun were to move to a BSD 4.4 based kernal, all of
AT&T's royalties would be out the window..

     So they get together, they say to Sun, (mind you this IS speculation
and nothing more), they say, "Gosh, we can help you with your short-term
cash difficulties, if you'll just agree to make the next major release of
Sun/OS system-V4r based so that we can continue collecting outrageous
royalties from your customer base.

     And so Sun, with their cash difficulties at the time, agreed, and
Sun, AT&T, both benefited, Sun had it's cash problem fixed, AT&T was
assured of continued royalties from Sun's customer base, and only Sun's
customers got the shaft..  Such a deal!

     The only question that remains, will the customers tolerate it?

     The position I've taken, is to condition any purchases of Sun
equipment upon it being able to run 4.1.x.  I write this right into the
purchase order.  So far, 4.1.x has worked on all of the boxes we've
purchased (mostly 4.1.3), though I'm told it won't run on mutli-processor
SS10's.

     I would encourage everyone who has a problem with being forced into a
new, incompatible operating system, do the same.

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