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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Macintosh IRC Client available
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Jul23.162412.16081@seas.smu.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:36:15 GMT

Utopium> == Utopium Enterprizes <mitchell@seas.smu.edu> 

 Utopium> I have downloaded this program, and though it looks good in
 Utopium> theory, I have noticed a HUGE bug... text does not appear in
 Utopium> the channel window if the channel window is selected (which it
 Utopium> must be in order to send messages to it). If I change windows,
 Utopium> it appears just as it should.  But when I switch back to the
 Utopium> channel window, the same problem crops up. Any clue as to why
 Utopium> this is happening? And has anyone run into this problem as
 Utopium> well?

I noticed this problem, too. 

 Utopium> Technical info: I used a Mac IIsi running System 7. I tested
 Utopium> it out on both ns.mitek.com and ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, with the
 Utopium> same results.  As far as I can tell, there is no conflict
 Utopium> between ircle and any other program, such as virus checks and
 Utopium> screen servers.

I've got a Mac IIfx running 7.0.1 tuned with a Spectrum 8*24/PDQ video
card. It also does not work on a Mac IIci running 7.0.1 tuned with the
same video card. I thought it might have been my video card. Guess not.
:-)

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: hellmond@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Peter H. Hellmonds)
Subject: Re: Setting Spidy straight and plugging a new server at NJIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:27:06 GMT

In article <079l9td.aiken@netcom.com> 
aiken@netcom.com (The Nonborn King) writes:

>PLUG:  NJIT users can now use the server at hertz.njit.edu.  Users on that
>       particular machine who use the installed client will end up on hertz
>       by default.  This is also a good server for Princeton users when
>       phoenix.princeton.edu is down.


I don't think so, for a variety of reasons:

a) if phoenix is down, very likely the file-system is down, too, and since 
   we have a distributed file system, users will usually not have access to
   their account anyways
b) phoenix is the main unix box on campus, hence, it will be rebooted
   as soon as possible. In the meantime, it's unlikely that anyone can use
   IRC, except maybe by using a direct telnet to braindeadville.
c) as soon as phoenix the box is up, the crontab will boot the server.

Therefore, it's unlikely that any Princeton User will ever have to use 
hertz.njit.edu, except for some very very rare occasions.


-- Peter
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gen3002@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Perdition's Flames (was Re: IRC Rules)
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:48:20 GMT

Well, it was fun to read in the beginning, but now it grows tiresome.
(A) Does it matter what people look like?
(B) Does it matter what country people come from?
(C) Does it matter who thinks what about whom?
(D) Isn't it what's inside that's important?
(E) Isn't it being true to yourself that counts most?
(F) Aren't we all one big happy computer user community?
(G) Isn't this group about IRC, and not 5000 petty personal arguments?
No, I didn't think so either.
Party on
Jay
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From: mitchell@seas.smu.edu (Utopium Enterprizes)
Subject: Re: Macintosh IRC Client available
Organization: Utopium Enterprizes
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:24:12 GMT

I have downloaded this program, and though it looks good in theory, I
have noticed a HUGE bug... text does not appear in the channel window
if the channel window is selected (which it must be in order to send
messages to it). If I change windows, it appears just as it should.
But when I switch back to the channel window, the same problem crops
up. Any clue as to why this is happening? And has anyone run into this
problem as well?

Technical info: I used a Mac IIsi running System 7. I tested it out
on both ns.mitek.com and ccwf.cc.utexas.edu, with the same results.
As far as I can tell, there is no conflict between ircle and any other
program, such as virus checks and screen servers.

-- 
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 as sympathy." -- St. Thomas Laine the Abbreviated
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Top 50 Killers (12/7/92-19/7/92)
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:38:03 GMT

Christopher Davis writes:

>These were a little skewed by client development work on the perl
>client.  There were a couple runaway CPU-munching loops in the code, not
>to mention a few other problems :)

Is this client using select () ; or fork () ; ?

\Ruben.

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From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Date: 24 Jul 1992 04:08:34 GMT
Organization: University of California at San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

oysteint@ifi.uio.no (ystein Tvedten) wrote :
[ a whole darn repost of a previous post ]
>You are, dorkhead
>/OT

Wonderfully excecuted. Marvelously planned out and intelligently replied.
Hmm, did it hurt or were you just practicing using 'vi' ?  Why did you have 
to repost the entire damn thing just to prove your limited vocabulary?

You're not pissed, are you? Tch, tch, And lookie, you're not even a
Finn or a German or an American. My my, all this ethnic slandering
is really bothering you isn't it? Oh dear, can't get that Euro-pride
too worked up! 

Keep the personal attacks coming, vent your anger, I say!
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Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Death to BAD CRAZINESS !
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:18:54 GMT

In article <76696@ut-emx.uucp> dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
>*** DemoN has changed the topic on channel #Hottub to nobody likes me
> +everybody hates me think I'll go e (eat worms ... got cut off :()
> 
>331 Bad Craziness (from toaster.sfsu.edu)
>331 Bad Craziness (from coyote.cs.wmich.edu)
>331 Bad Craziness (from sakura.ces.kyutech.ac.jp)
>331 Bad Craziness (from blue.cc.hokudai.ac.jp)
>
>Isn't it about time that we did away with these, and perhaps the other,
>slightly newer 2.6 servers?

But I *like* Bad Craziness.  In fact, I'm starting a new IRC server
which will do nothing but spew bad craziness--as well as good craziness
and plain old ordinary craziness--throughout the world.  After all, bad
craziness is the spice of life.  Soon you won't be able to walk down the
street without being assaulted by gobs of it.  

Coming soon: a patch to UNIX to ensure that you always get the really
fun error messages, such as "Not a typewriter." or "EDOTDOT!!!"

							-- K.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots, Vanity Ops ?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:02:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.212638.7966@ctr.columbia.edu> dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
>One can do a lot with IRCII scripts...I'm not referring to lines such as this:
>
> /on -public "* *DumbBot*dumb*" /say I am NOT dumb, $0 !!!!! ;/kick $C $0
>(Way to go Baloo!  It's amazing how many bots do stuff like this ... :)

yeah! and when you kick their bots, they'd feel like you've invaded their 
territory. it's even more amazing how many non-bots adopted the "this channel
is mine" mentality. :)

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Top 50 Killers (12/7/92-19/7/92)
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 07:15:58 GMT

Just some loser... writes:
>hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) was telling me...
>>IRC knowledge isn't documented in books. To learn more, stop by
>>#Twilight_Zone -- I wouldn't suggest talking, tho. Just sit back and see
>>what goes on.
>>
>
>This is highly debatable.  I wouldn't suggest it.
>But that's just my opinion.

Well, #TZ is a good place to get information, they are not always
speaking, but sometimes they do. You may have to be VERY patient.

Other places is #NA-Ops, #oz-ops and #EU-Opers.

I can only speak for #EU-Opers (which is also where lot of the EBIC
mebers are), they are mostly friendly if you do not behave like a 
completely dork :-). They speak (after a while), but it may take some
time 'cuz most of them are at work. When they do speak they talk about
Beer, Food (mainly lunch), Princesses and Routing (not necesarly in that
order). You may ask them questions (mostly about IRC, but other are 
welcome) and they will answer you. Just be a little patient.

\Ruben.
(Norwegian meber of the European Board of IRC Coordinators)


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Organization: Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:29:39 -0400 
From: Douglas Allen Luce <dl2p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Call for submission on layout of stats.
	<1992Jul23.100457.9157@alf.uib.no>

buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen) writes:
> the cure writes:
> 
> >
> >                        Server Name [ Outgoing/s] [ Incoming/s]
> >                                    [Byte] [Pckt] [Byte] [Pckt]
> >
> >                    CSULX.Weber.EDU [0283] [0007] [0089] [0002]
> 
> In such stat you must have the following:
> 
> Servername Days+hours:min:sec-open  outgoingBytes incomingBytes

If the point is to determine how many servers on the network are
"necessary" for IRC operation, or how many of the servers on the
net are "unnecessary," I don't think even this will be enough.
 
It could be that a single "vanity" server has convinced two uplinks to
not L-line it, and through some trick of the net, is positioned
between two equally loaded network halves.  This could show up in your
statistics at the top of the list.  And a highly-client-burdened, but
leafed server (like a server acting as the link to a public client)
may show up fairly far down the list.
 
Perhaps what is needed is a better definition of what makes a server
"necessary," and how one might generate statistics that are meaningful
in this way.  

You might find that keeping accurate statistics difficult with servers
going up and down all the time.  Real statistics should be done by
each server.  Number of links, number of users, number of channels the
server is attuned to, how much of the traffic is human generated, how
much is server generated, server downtimes, and traffic generated by
"netsplits" instead of by "normal operation" might all be dominant
factors in deriving a useful "server importance" equation (not even
counting physical network location and connectivity!).
 
Straight counting of users seems to be the current tradition in
gauging the importance of any particular server.  While this might
show just how much IRC is used in various locations (or how well
clients are installed at the particular location), it's not much help
in deciding routing.

Douglas Luce
CMU IRC
From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Date: 24 Jul 1992 06:24:24 GMT
Organization: University of California at San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage) wrote :
>	[..]
>>If you read it again the post script is conditional. 
>Your postscript was symbolic of general cluelessness, no conditions
>apply. 

Hmmm, wanna to elaborate or do you want to go ahead and admit that
you didn't read it properly? Your opinion is ok, but if you cant
back it up, it's just an opinion. Try again!

>
>>Now, who's stupid?
>Indeed.
>gja

Glad you agree!

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: ngmitche@mtu.edu (SuperNate I am!)
Subject: Re: Death to BAD CRAZINESS !
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: planetary
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:39:29 GMT
X-Posted-From: melab9.me.mtu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <76696@ut-emx.uucp>, dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
|> ~
|> 331 Bad Craziness (from toaster.sfsu.edu)
|> 331 Bad Craziness (from coyote.cs.wmich.edu)
|> 331 Bad Craziness (from sakura.ces.kyutech.ac.jp)
|> 331 Bad Craziness (from blue.cc.hokudai.ac.jp)
|> 
|> Hmmm ... we're down to four early 2.6 servers ...  It used to be much worse...
|> 
|> Isn't it about time that we did away with these, and perhaps the other,
|> slightly newer 2.6 servers?

Looks like coyote already bought the farm... or did pecampbe run while (1) fork
on it again?  Hm.....  I thought they nuked him the last time he did that.
|> 
|> All these servers do is bitch ... they bitch when you go usermode +i or -o,
|> when you topic, etc. ...
|> 
Yeah!  It's about time we bitched back.  Why don't we all email root@those.-
machines and include in our letter a uuencoded irc2.7.2g.tar.Z server setup.  
Maybe they'll get the picture. :)  or maybe they'll just quit running servers. :(
very interesting... maybe we should send the uuencode only AFTER they ask for
it.  Wouldn't want to seem to EAGER now.  That's bad.

|> ~
|> 
|>     Until that day ... /on ^331 * # ...

Does anyone have a list of the numerical event codes for ircII?  Are they
in the helps or client documentation?
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (the cure)
Subject: *die* monitor.ece.uiuc.edu
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:25:03 GMT

Can someone explain "exactly" why monitor.ece.uiuc.edu is on the net.

Apparently it's just to take stats. This is easily done with an automated bot.

I am only whinging, cause it hangs when you try and do any server stuff with it.

(ie - /stats L monitor.ece.uiuc.edu does nothing.)




                            Always question authority.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:30:14


>*THIS IS A FLAME*
>And maybe it's because most of them think US is the best and US rules the
>world and they do not recognize that there are other, which find their
>behaviour boring (in the best case) or annoying (in the standard case)!

This reminds me of an incident that happened on IRC....

We were talking about books and reading and such and then I happened
to mention the high illiteracy rate in the US. This was obviously too
much for one american IRC user. She started to scream (yeah really, I
could feel it) how dare I criticize her wonderful country, the best
country in the world....

Somehow I think only americans can act like that. 

-Heikki

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: Carl.von.Loesch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Carl von Loesch)
Subject: Re: WANTED: USER'S GUIDE TO IRC LOVE
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:36:37 GMT

humor@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Ever-Mirthful Man of Mayhem) writes:
>I laughed, i cried....that post was GREAT! :-)

Oh.. these Germans have no humor.. 
Sigh, I'm the girly-man again.. :(











I really thought people _can_ get so desperate.
If not.. good news!
















P.S.

Don't ask me why I know about the girly-men.
I don't know about them.
Something to do with TV and Saturday Night Live maybe?
From: masdough@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Dough the Demented)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Useless Bots, Vanity Ops ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul26.212638.7966@ctr.columbia.edu>, dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes...
>In article <Bs0HoA.27y@acsu.buffalo.edu> masdough@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Dough the Demented) writes:
> 
>Hmmm ... I get it ... Perl bots are ok.

Who said anything about Perl.. (mine is in C)

>IRCII bots must die on sight. (nothing personal, Mr. Demented Dough ... I'm
>not saying that you believe this, but other people have certainly implied it,

I have no objections against any bots... except those that kick me :)

>and you felt the need to defend your bot against it, so ... )

Nope.. just proud of my work.

>The IRC client may not be the most efficient way of doing
>something, CPU cycles-wise, but who really cares?

You're sysop might.. but, then that is none of my business...

Personally, some of the bots that i have encountered are far less obnoxious
than some of the people that I have met..

Although, I feel that there should be a standard way of recognizing a bot..

(a name type thing.. so people can keep them off channels if they don't like
them)

Dough
From: irc@weber.ucsd.edu (WEBER:IRC)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Date: 22 Jul 1992 19:14:34 GMT
Organization: University of California at San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

> suopanki@phoenix.oulu.FI writes:
>Somehow I think only americans can act like that. 
>-Heikki
 
Maybe they have some pride in their country. Do you think something
is wrong with that? 

Somehow I think only you damn Finns have nothing better to do than going 
around bashing other ethnics. How do you like me now?

*and counting*
-avd
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: oren@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Oren Kastner)
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:30:50 GMT

In article <SUOPANKI.92Jul23005208@zombie.oulu.fi> heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi writes:

[crap deleted]
>
>Well, if you have read alt.irc lately you should have noticed people
>from other countries (at least Germany and Norway ) have done it too. Besides
>I don't really bash other ethnics, I only pointed out that only USA is
							    ####
>capable of producing some individuals who act like that.
>
>-Heikki

Oh yeah, you are not a basher at ALL!!!

Sheesh,
grow a life...

		Oren.
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: schottd@ucs.orst.edu (Derek Schott)
Subject: screen help on IRC
Summary: terminal wont scroll 
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:20:32 GMT

I have recently discovered that when I work off of my PS/2 terminal
at work, IRC will fill one screen with text, and then continue sending
everything to the last line of the terminal page. Doesn't matter
what you are doing, if the screen fills up, it just sends everything
over the top of the last line, thus making it impossible to use.
If you clear the screen, it will feed back up to the top, but once
it gets down to the last display line, it will start the same 
problem over again. Funny thing is, this doesn't happen at
home on my 520ST terminal. I am using VT100 emulation on both
machines. Also, IRC is the only place that it does this. Anyone
have any suggestions?


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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:16:03 GMT

In article <14kl1sINNdt3@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:

>  And I'd be pretty stupid to let you speak 
>on my behalf. Apologize for yourself.

I wasn't. You're the jerk I'm apologising about, because I am stuck
being an American and as such, identified with you.

>>>I have yet to meet a Finn who has bashed anyone without
>>>being sorely provoked, and I have met many Americans who provoke.
>
>Then you haven't been reading this group very carefully, have you?

Yes, I have. If you ever grow up, let me know. And if you'd like to
flame me more, do it in email.

Newsgroups: alt.irc