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From: brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom)
Newsgroups: ba.general,rec.arts.theatre,ba.food
Subject: Don't Patronize Triple Rock BrewPub, Berkeley, Calif
Followup-To: poster
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:58:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
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Here's a quick, true story that will hopefully make you think
twice about patronizing Triple Rock Brewery in Berkeley.

The story starts in Orinda, on the other side of the East Bay hills,
where The California Shakespeare Festival performs plays in its new,
OUTDOOR theatre.

Apparently someone at Triple Rock has discovered this and has hired 
one of those airplanes that can flash lighted messages on its wings
to fly over the theatre during several performances.

Now, mind you that this is an OUTDOOR theatre and that absolutely
NO sound amplification is used.

As a result, every time this plane flies over, the performance is
disrupted (or actually, since the actors are professionals & the
show must go on, as they say, the audience misses some of the lines).
Regardless, it's most annoying to anyone attending the performance.

The Festival's house manager HAS contacted the owners of Triple Rock,
but their attitude was that as long as 550 of the festival's patrons 
get to see Triple Rock's advertising, Triple Rock doesn't give a sh*t 
about the festival's performance.

The Festival's current season is almost over, but I'm hoping that if
enough people hit these buttheads in the pocketbook, then maybe next
year the festival will have one less headache to worry about.

Thanks for your consideration.

-brad albom
email : brada@eng.sun.com - (In On Random Weekdays)
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From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:30:54 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.

In article <1992Sep28.204408.12260@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
> TRUE AMERICANS BUY AMERICAN!
>
> Let those who buy imports lose their jobs first!
>
The responsibility of a consumer is to buy the best quality with the least
cost.  If the said consumer also make/sell a product, then add another 
responsibility of making sure the quality of the product is the best and the
price most competitive.

I am afraid, with your scenario, you may in short term save some jobs here,
but lose your competitiveness in the long term.  Can USA prosper without
selling its products and raw materials to other countries?  Can any country
afford to do that in modern world?

Wen-lin

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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:48:38 GMT

In article <540nm5g.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.165049.21621@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>
>>I don't know. Certainly I would never allow my child to do this.
>>Based on the incident in San Jose where a child wandered into
>>a neighbor's back yard and was killed by a dog on a leash,
>>I think the sympathy will be with the child.
>
>Maybe not.  If I remember, this case involved a politically-incorrect
>breed (pit bull) that had been deliberately made more vicious, and
>an owner who was less than a model citizen.  I'd also like to think
>that in the few years since that incident, people have become a little
>more intolerant of negligent parents.
>
>We really have gotten into a screwy situation with liability.  If I
>have a swimming pool in my backyard and a child sneaks in and drowns,
>I'm on the hook.
>-- 

  And you can't be sure that child will listen to you either when
  you tell him/her to get out of the pool.  And if you physically
  try to remove them, you might get in trouble for assault!
  We used to have this problem with kids walking on top of the
  brick wall separating our yard and the neighbors.  They were
  using it like a balance beam.  My parents would tell them to
  please get off, but they would say, "You can't tell me what
  to do."  Or "You're not my mom, and my parents say it's okay."
  Anyway one girl fell off, but landed on her side of the wall
  and broke her arm.  If she landed on our side, we would have
  been in trouble, even though we couldn't remove her from the wall.
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From: dauphin@adobe.com (Kimberly Dauphin)
Subject: What happened to KOME's morning show?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:35:02 GMT

I saw a question pertaining to this posted about 2 weeks
ago, but haven't seen any answers.

What happened to Bob Lilly on KOME's morning show?  All of
a sudden, he was gone, and now there's Stephanie Dominguez
who seems to be a permanent fixture.  Jeff Blazy hasn't
said one word about the whole thing.

Anyone know the details?


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Kimberly Dauphin	  Adobe Systems Incorporated
dauphin@mv.us.adobe.com	  Mountain View, CA
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:51:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.053355.26183@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>Fencing children in like animals is unacceptable.

Even for those families that live on Wolfe Road between Homestead and
Fremont?


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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:19:50 GMT

In article <183746@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1ai8quINNrno@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>>
>>Exactly to whom is it the worth the cost of a fence to put the
>>fence around Mr. Sohl's swimming pool?  Let that person speak up.
>>
>   ME, if it's my pool.  I don't want neighborhood youngsters on my
>   property without my permission, but I also don't want anybody's
>   child's life on my conscience either.....

And if there was a pond or small lake on your property would you fence
that in also?  

And what of the law suits against pool owners where there in fact
was a fence, yet little Johnny and his buddies either broke a lock
to enter or simply climbed the fence.  Same attractive nuisance
situation I guess.


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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:35:12 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct5.155135.17106@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.053355.26183@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>>Fencing children in like animals is unacceptable.
>
>Even for those families that live on Wolfe Road between Homestead and
>Fremont?

I think fencing a pool and the traffic on Wolfe are different things.
I also think the area you describe is pretty far from an ideal state of
things. Heavy traffic and residental use are not the way you want to do
things, whereas having pools in residental areas is good as long as
they are secured.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Darwin fish
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:51:54 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Sep30.045445.4540@netcom.com> kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe) writes:
>I got the address to order Darwin fish from.  

You can also get your Darwin fish from Colleen Savitzky: (408) 294-6492.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only
specification is that it should run noiselessly.
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:01:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.010459.13524@odin.corp.sgi.com> pal@wpd.sgi.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.004954.7923@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>|> >>out of business, and then the japs rocket the price to $12 each. Who
>|> >>got screwed when it was all said and done? The Fat Dumb and Happy AMERICAN.
>|> 
>|> Actually, I thought the Reaganomics solution was a "voluntary export
>|> restraint" which was IMHO, a bad move. I don't remember the price going 
>|> that high (for more than a month or two) for the part I quoted.
>
>You still haven't answered the point that I and others raised here,
>namely that the price rise in DRAMs was *not* due to monopolistic
>gouging by Japanese chipmakers, but rather the result of US government
>policies.

I certainly have, as this argument has gone full-circle.
They (collectively, in an organized manner) lowered the price
far below fair-market value, AND below thier cost to produce.
The US gov't is stupid for not acting, and the Japan Gov't 
(ok be naive and say the jap gov't had nothing to do w/ it,
but the consortium DID) decides to become predator of a
market.  US gov't policies COULD prevent it, but they didn't
(directly) cause it.



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From: bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer)
Newsgroups: ba.general,sci.bio,sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Darwin fish
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:15:42 GMT

The last I knew, "Dark Carnival" (an SF & F bookstore), corner of Ashby &
Shattuck in Berkeley, had them too.
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:17:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct4.181513.28037@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com writes:

>You do not have absolute rights on your own property for many good reasons.

I'm not asking for absolute rights.  I don't want to strew cyanide-laced
candy bars in my front yard, but I do want the right to an uncovered pool
in the back yard without fear that someone's trespass will get me in
trouble.

>In your story, the driver did stop, although perhaps a foot too late.  
>The officer wrote up a ticket for jaywalking, which seemed reasonable.  
>Are you claiming that the fact that the person was jaywalking made the
>driver somehow less obligated to avoid hitting him or somehow less obligated
>to stop?  

C'mon, you know the answer;  *intent* is key in this situation.

What if the car had run over the boy's foot and then continued
>on without stopping?  I'd presume that the officer would have attempted to
>cite the driver for leaving the scene of an accident or hit-and-run.

Yes, but for the "run," not the "hit".

>You seem to hold it to be very significant that the driver was not cited.
>Two points: (1) It may have appeared to the officer that he followed the law 
>and his obligation, there may not have been anything to cite him for.  
>(2) Police officers have significant latitude in whether to issue a citation
>or not; another officer might have cited him for reckless operation or other 
>infractions. 

I think that had you saw the accident for yourself, you'd realize that
it would be a rare cop that would scratch the driver in this case.
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith)
Subject: Free Ren Faire ticket TAKEN
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:38:44 GMT

The free ticket to Ren Faire I offered has been snapped up. Thanks
to all who responded.

Sally


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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:32:17 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <6998@transfer.stratus.com> leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
>"Go ahead and trespass, raise hell, and break things nothing
>is too good for Bob's children."
>
>Attitudes like your's only make me care less about your children.  Saying

Please stop misrepresenting my attitudes and views.

-- 
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:49:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.052455.25795@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>Meaning that my concern is not over making it possible for the parents
>of a child who dies in an unsecured pool to get rich. After someone
>dies, it's too late. The idea is to prevent an accident. Unfortunately
>the most effective means that has been found is to hold the owner
>of the attractive nuisance responsible.

Where do you draw the line?  What do you do if studies indicate that,
of the remaaining fatalities that still occur with covered pools, 5%
could have been eliminated if the owner built 12' fences around his
property, put padlocks on all the gates and changed the combinations
every week?

When you start using words like "reasonable," "practical," or
"effective" you are bringing YOUR personal opinions into the picture.
Your opinions are great as conversation fodder but terrible as a
basis for law.

Exactly how far are you prepared to encroach on other people's rights
in order to suit your personal agenda?
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:48:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.235006.336@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>Blame is secondary. Death is primary.

Meaning what?
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: What is 'landfill' and how is it done?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:56:28 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Distribution: ba

I've heard that a considerable about of bay area land (especially the
Foster City and Redwood Shores areas) is built on landfill.

What, exactly, is 'landfill'?  I mean I know it's dirt, but where do
they get all the dirt from to fill in part of the bay well enough to
build a community on top of?!  And how much time and money did this take?

     << Brian >>

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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Experiences with judges in Redwood City?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:20:18
Distribution: ba


I have to go plead my case (if nothing else, I want to be allowed
defensive driving).  Anybody have any info about the Redwood City
judges?

-eric
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:23:10 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1ai8quINNrno@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>
>Exactly to whom is it the worth the cost of a fence to put the
>fence around Mr. Sohl's swimming pool?  Let that person speak up.
>
   ME, if it's my pool.  I don't want neighborhood youngsters on my
   property without my permission, but I also don't want anybody's
   child's life on my conscience either.....
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: HF.CRS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Craig Snarr)
Subject: Re: What happened to KOME's morning show?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.213502.25640@adobe.com>,
dauphin@adobe.com (Kimberly Dauphin) writes:
>I saw a question pertaining to this posted about 2 weeks
>ago, but haven't seen any answers.
>
>What happened to Bob Lilly on KOME's morning show?  All of
>a sudden, he was gone, and now there's Stephanie Dominguez
>who seems to be a permanent fixture.  Jeff Blazy hasn't
>said one word about the whole thing.
>
>Anyone know the details?

About a week after Bob left there was a little article in the
'Mercury that Bob was taken off because the "station" wanted a 'new
sound', it said that KSJO was number 1 morning show <ugh> and they
wanted to try something different.  It also mentioned that the
company that owns KOME also owns some station in N.Y. or L.A. that
has a "famous" shock jock and may end up "coming" to KOME (only a
little sorry for that :)  BUT on this morning show, a women had
called in on a question they were asking, if you could be president
would you? after she gave her reasons why she would want to be she
yelled "WHERES BOB"?  After Blaze make a little joke about that he
said something to the effect of "i only make the pizza here, i don't
own the oven.  If you want Bob back write a letter.  You all would
be surprised how much a difference a letter can make"  Which is all
we'll problay get from him on this.  Everyone i have talked too
agrees that the show is lost without Bob.  So maybe we should start
a letter writing storm!!
One other thing, as they were finishing up on that Jeff said that he
was going to see Bob this weekend too play baseball, maybe dropping
the hint that it wasn't up to either of them what happened.
thats whats i's knows
craig=-)



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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:05:54 GMT

eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) wrote: 
->>I don't stick to that issue because you take an isolated incident and
->>try to trump it into an international scandal. 
->
->NOT an isolated incident. TOSHIBA? need I say more? 

yes, you do.  what i know of the incident says it's not routine
practice.  prove i'm wrong with facts, please.

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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:54:09 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: /etc/organization

Can we please get this thread back on the subject ?  

Either that or change the Subject in the Header.  This thread no longer
has anything to do with Parks or dog restrictions.

Thank you for your indulgence.


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From: sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Stacey Curtis)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:40:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Canberra
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In article <1992Oct5.052455.25795@adobe.com> Phil Ngai, pngai@adobe.com
writes:
>Meaning that my concern is not over making it possible for the parents
>of a child who dies in an unsecured pool to get rich. After someone
>dies, it's too late. The idea is to prevent an accident. Unfortunately
>the most effective means that has been found is to hold the owner
>of the attractive nuisance responsible.

If you support the view that it's the pool owner's responsibility then
please enlighten me on the liability issues in the following scenario:  I
own the pool, it has been securely fenced with a council approved, legal
structure.  Without my knowledge or consent your child comes over
(trespasses) and severely injures or kills himself/herself trying to
scale the structure (fence) to gain access to the pool.  Am I liable?
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:30:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.000814.5225@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.183512.17582@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>>things. Heavy traffic and residental use are not the way you want to do
>>things, whereas having pools in residental areas is good as long as
>>they are secured.
>	
>	What's "secured?"  Is a standard yard fence OK?  Many city 
>	ordinances prohibit fences over eight feet in height.  
>	I say that having to have _another_ fence is unreasonable.
>
All you have to do is make that arguement to a jury, since your municpal
ordinances may cover fence height, don't forget to bring a copy with you
when you make your response. Bring your checkbook too.

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From: austin@nova.Eng.Sun.COM (Austin Yeats)
Newsgroups: sun.junk,ba.general
Subject: Defensive Driving Schools
Keywords: Bondurant high-performance
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:17:08 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova


	I'd like information on defensive driving schools.
	I've heard of the Bondurant school at Sears Point
	but wonder if there are any others in the Bay
	Area.

	Has anyone taken the Bondurant driving course?
	(I reaize there is a "racing" course as well
	as the "defensive" course).


	Thanks.
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