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From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Volunteer for FAQ/Monthly Posting
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:21:51 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts

In article <1992Oct6.111557.15794@ray.fi> tl@ray.fi (TonyK Lindstr"om) 
	asks :
  >...
  >Is anybody working on a FAQ?
  >
  >-- 
  >Finnish Darts Organization - Pa"kki Darts (-)--==-  tl@ray.fi
  >Tony Lindstro"m - T20,T19,D25 - T20,T19,D25 - T20,T19,D25....

Well, I believe Darts is a game of great discipline, both physical
and mental. I am a person in need of discipline of both types, and
I wish to see something like a FAQ posting in this group. So, in aid
of both goals, I will cheerfully (gasp!) volunteer to do a monthly
posting containing information that I or any other reader of this
group might want to see in a monthly posting.

So, if you respond favourably, and IF you email me the stuff that
should go into a FAQ/Monthly Newsletter type of posting, I will do it.

For instance, I would like to keep up with the names of current national
champions, who are the dart playing countries, when are the next 
important tournaments/events/etc., etc.  Our newspapers do not give
Darts the priority I do in my life. When I have acheived the discipline
I seek to control my life properly, I would like to travel all around
the world, and I will bring my wee arrows with me wherever I go.

Be advised that I have never done a FAQ thingy before, so I don't
really know how to do it, but it can't be that difficult. If someone
else out there is working on a FAQ, and wants the job, be my guest.
If, however, you don't, send me your stuff, and I'll have a go at it.

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From: cjs01@cd.amdahl.com (Christopher Somers)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Chicago blind-draw (was: Re: Beginner's Luck?)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:31:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct12.225430.27506@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:

>We lost the cricket leg in a blind-draw Chicago shoot a few weeks
			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Could someone explain this?  I saw a posting in a pub advertising
	such an event and wondered how it differed from plain ol' 
	blind-draw.  (Yea, yea, I should have asked someone!  But I'm a
	newcommer and still a bit shy/awed in this pub).

Thanks,
Chris

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From: mcaldwel@netcom.com (Michael Caldwell)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:10:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct12.225430.27506@odin.corp.sgi.com> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:
>In article <branagan.718923977@convex.convex.com>, branagan@convex.com
>(Linda Branagan) writes:
>|> 
>|> Has anyone else notice that beginner's luck is 
>|> occasionally a force to be reckoned with?
>|> 
>|> I play in a mixed doubles league, and while
>|> the teams are evenly matched, individual players
>|> often aren't.  It isn't unusual for teams to 
>|> pair an absolute novice with a sharpshooter.
>|> 
>|> The thing that gets me is that "wild" throwing,
>|> especially in *01, can kill you.  A few weeks ago I 
>|> watched an opponent throw T18, bull, D19 in a game 
>|> of 501.  That's a ton-17!
>|> 
>|> They were nowhere near out, and her (clearly more 
>|> skilled) partner was telling her to aim for the 20,
>|> which she claimed to be doing!  You can't get much
>|> further from the 20 than the D19, but the points
>|> still count. (It became obvious later that she was
>|> lucky to hit the board at all.)
>|> 
>|> It's really aggravating to watch much better players
>|> throw 26 over and over and over again....
>|> 
>|> Has anyone else noticed this, or is it my imagination?
>
>I'm sure every serious, half-way compentent dart player has
>wished to use their darts as a stabbing weapon against a
>beginner at one time or another. 
>
>We lost the cricket leg in a blind-draw Chicago shoot a few weeks
>ago to a team  that should have had no chance after a novice shooter
>caught T19, T16, T19 -- while trying to hit 20.  Their partner was a
>good shooter; we never could overcome the deficit.  We won the next
>two '01 legs, but we never quit shaking our heads.
>
>-M
>
>-- 
>
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When we play cricket we have a no slop rule.  You have to say what number
you are aiming for and any other number doesn't count.  You have to call
the shot or it doesn't count.  I don't know if this is an offical rule, but
it makes for a very strategic and challenging game.

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Dart places in Boston?
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Hi all again. Thanks for all the helpful opinions about the rude guy
that kept leaving during the match. Fortunately, I've not seen him since that
night. 
	But here is my next question: Where are there good dart (taverns, bars,
pubs) in the Boston area? (Preferably IN Boston or Cambridge, as that is
where I will be.) I will be there this coming Friday and Saturday nights, and
am very much looking forward to checking out the Boston night life. I don't
really care what the place looks like, I just want to have a good time
shooting darts and meeting people. Thanks for the help!

							-Jeff

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From: krazykid@csa.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Diddle
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:42:21 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

I know that this is probaby a stupid question to ask, but I've just
begun to play darts, and I was wondering, what the heck is a diddle??
This term seems to crop up often.  If someone out there can mail me, or
mail me a list of all dart term and what they mean, I would be most
appreciative.  Thanks in adavance.

Ernie
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Setting Up The Out
Keywords: Out shots, Best bets
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:08:42 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel

How about a new thread?

I have noticed that most players don't give themselves the OPPORTUNITY
to win in many situations.  This occurs because the player doesn't
plan well enough in advance when setting up their out combination.

The most glaring example is when someone has one dart remaining and
182 left.  Most players, without thinking, will throw the T20 and more
often than not, hit the single to leave 162.  This guarantees the
opponent six more darts to finish the game.  Had the player shot at
the T18 and hit the single, the remaining 164 is an out for the next
turn.

To further complicate the discusion, let's look at 219.  If you're
here with one dart left, a T20 leaves 159, T19 leaves 162, T18 leaves
165, etc.  You should have shot your second dart to leave 218 or 220
instead, right?

This brings up the question, "When do you start looking at the
remaining score to best position yourself for the out?"  This question
is left up for discussion.

-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: shinh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Shinjiro Hirose)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Dart places in Boston?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:11:49 GMT
Organization: Mass General Hospital

In article <1992Oct12.150723.9619@ryn.mro4.dec.com> tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes:
>
>
>        In Cambridge, The old Father's Fore, now called Portside/Port City is
>                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is actually called the "Cambridgeport Saloon">

	a good place for darts. It's on Massachusetts Ave near MIT, maybe 5-6
>	boards and cheap/cheaper beers, good place to just hang-out. Also on 
>ttfn,
>
>-gabe	(617) 327-5881 or send email if you want.

I'm posting from a friends account so please don't respond here...

Aaron,
ajberg@athena.mit.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: Chicago blind-draw (was: Re: Beginner's Luck?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.155158.18745@SSD.intel.com>, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes...
>In article <1992Oct14.040833.25593@odin.corp.sgi.com> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:
> 
>>"Chicago" is just a two-out-of-three match, playing cricket, 301, & 501.
>>Winner of the first diddle gets choice of which game will be played 
>>first AND gets to start that game.  Loser of the first game gets choice
>>of second game, and choice of who diddles first for it.  

	No, usually loser both choses 2nd game AND goes first.

>>If match goes 1-1, loser of second game gets choice of diddle 

	Choice of diddle???? No, 3rd leg diddle is a reverse diddle. (Order
	of who diddled for the first leg is that home team diddles first,
	unless neutral territory, where a coin flip decides.) If 2nd diddle
	is required, order is swapped.

>The strategy for this game dictates playing Cricket on leg 1 because
>of the advantage Cricket offers the team that shoots first.

	I tend to disagree. For a properly managed 2nd person or team in
	Cricket, (simply, never chase,) there is not a great advantage to
	being number 1 compared to 301 or 501.

	I find it can be just as devastating to an opponent to get in on
	the first dart for 301 as hitting 5 or 6 20's to start cricket.

	The one thing I would NOT pick if I were first would be 501. For
	most shooters, the slim advantage of starting first often disappears
	entirely after 300 points or so.

	My own opinion is this. If you have a choice, Pick your BEST game.
	Otherwise, you may never get to shoot it.

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From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:58:42 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.181028.24803@netcom.com>, mcaldwel@netcom.com
(Michael Caldwell) writes:


|> When we play cricket we have a no slop rule.  You have to say what number
|> you are aiming for and any other number doesn't count.  You have to call
|> the shot or it doesn't count.  I don't know if this is an offical rule, but
|> it makes for a very strategic and challenging game.

This is standard 'B' (and sometimes 'C') League rules. Be aware that ADO rules
don't provide for 'call' cricket, and you'll never see it in an ADO sanctioned
tournament.

--which I'm glad about.  Good players mostly hit what they're throwing at,
and the occasional slop that results in a good catch can't really be
begrudged.  Frankly, it generally works in the weaker player's favor,
and keeps the game between B+ and A players a bit closer.  I personally
don't like 'call' cricket.  (I also don't believe it changes cricket
'strategy' at all -- it just penalizes inaccuracy.)

-M

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From: tom@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Tom Evers)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: American Darts
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:07:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

I've heard of American Darts and I've even seen an American Dart board, but
I've been unable to find any books containing the rules or an explanation of
the game.  Could someone email me the rules, or post them here?  I'd also
be interested in the names of any books describing the game.  Thanks.

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From: jkell@utkvx3.utk.edu (Kell, Jeffrey R)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:08:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct16.015842.6698@odin.corp.sgi.com>, hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes...
>In article <1992Oct15.181028.24803@netcom.com>, mcaldwel@netcom.com
>(Michael Caldwell) writes:
>|> When we play cricket we have a no slop rule.  You have to say what number
>|> you are aiming for and any other number doesn't count. [...]

>[...]  Good players mostly hit what they're throwing at,
>and the occasional slop that results in a good catch can't really be
>begrudged.  Frankly, it generally works in the weaker player's favor,
>and keeps the game between B+ and A players a bit closer.  

There is also the matter of "strategic" slop when throwing for bull, if you 
are down in points but your opponent has open numbers, you can try your first
dart(s) at bull for a possible point fallout and hopefully avoid a "must" point
situation altogether.

You also mentioned A, B, C players; here we have A-I divisions and a AA too!  
But Chattanooga has more league players (per capita) than just about anywhere
else (BullsEye magazine had us on top in an article about the GCDA a few years
ago, don't know if it's still true).  Come on down November for the Choo Choo
Classic (only $6K pot now, Lucky Strike dropped us off their sponsorship, but
still fun anyway!).

/Jeff/  Jeff Kell, Dir Tech Services, Administrative Computing, UT-Chattanooga
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: bb11807@thug (Brian A. Blow)
Subject: Newcomer in Minneapolis
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:41:47 GMT

I'm a recreational thrower in the Minneapolis area.  I've never been to a 
pub where good players hang out.  Anyone out there have suggestions for a
place to go to learn moer about the game?  I'm not looking for serious
competition, just a good time.



--Brian

brian.blow@medtronic.com
(612) 574-4030
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Beginner's Luck?
From: hra500a1@beach.csulb.edu (Jim Anderson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:26:01 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

It is one of the most amazing occurances that happens in darts.  I got to
the finals in the mixed doubles event at the New Mexico Open in 1982 with
a player who had just started playing.  She was extremely nervious by the
time we got to the top 8 and I feared for anyone who chaulked for us.
We lost that finals match but the local crowd was going crazy every time
she lucked into ANY triple.  It's a match I'll never forget.
Thought you would like to know.

Jim Anderson
Huntington Beach, CA
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Setting Up The Out
From: hra500a1@beach.csulb.edu (Jim Anderson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:16:12 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Well Roger I couldn't agree with you more and I'm sure that every dart
player out there that believes they are good enough to go for a setup
this early and will hit a single twenty as a miss will happly thank
you for the thoughts.  Of course most beginners will get a great laugh because
they know they still dream of missing the triple of any number and hitting 
only a single.  But all in all to play darts competively and to increase
your winning percentage in any of the 01 games, thinking ahead is a must.

Jim Anderson
Still Playing After All These Years
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: Chicago blind-draw (was: Re: Beginner's Luck?)
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:45:15 GMT

In article <14OCT199215214364@rover.uchicago.edu> frank@rover.uchicago.edu writes:

>>The strategy for this game dictates playing Cricket on leg 1 because
>>of the advantage Cricket offers the team that shoots first.
>
>	I tend to disagree. For a properly managed 2nd person or team in
>	Cricket, (simply, never chase,) there is not a great advantage to
>	being number 1 compared to 301 or 501.
>
>	I find it can be just as devastating to an opponent to get in on
>	the first dart for 301 as hitting 5 or 6 20's to start cricket.
>

So, if you are going to shoot SECOND and have your choice of games, you'd
chose to shoot second in Cricket rather than 301, right?

I disagree.  Shooting second in Cricket automatically puts you behind,
unless your opponent is a total dork and hasn't hit anything.  I do
this sometimes.  {;^)  However, in 301, your opponent will miss the
double on his/her first shot much more often than missing entirely on
the first turn in Cricket.

Remember too that Cricket favors the better player.  If I'm playing
over my head, I definitely want that first shot.
-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Chicago blind-draw (was: Re: Beginner's Luck?)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:47:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <14OCT199215214364@rover.uchicago.edu>,
frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct14.155158.18745@SSD.intel.com>,
|> rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes...
|> >In article <1992Oct14.040833.25593@odin.corp.sgi.com>
|> hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove) writes:
|> > 
|> >>"Chicago" is just a two-out-of-three match, playing cricket, 301,
|> & 501.
|> >>Winner of the first diddle gets choice of which game will be
|> played 
|> >>first AND gets to start that game.  Loser of the first game gets
|> choice
|> >>of second game, and choice of who diddles first for it.  
|> 
|> 	No, usually loser both choses 2nd game AND goes first.
|> 
|> >>If match goes 1-1, loser of second game gets choice of diddle 
|> 
|> 	Choice of diddle???? No, 3rd leg diddle is a reverse diddle.
|> (Order
|> 	of who diddled for the first leg is that home team diddles first,
|> 	unless neutral territory, where a coin flip decides.) If 2nd
|> diddle
|> 	is required, order is swapped.

As beginners can now see, one of the best things about darts is the 
total consistency of rules from one locale to another.

:-)

-M


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Silicon Graphics, Inc.  |   To do is to be.  -- J.Sartre
voice: 415-390-3810     |   Do be do be do.  -- F.Sinatra
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: FOR SALE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:06:00 GMT

FOR SALE!!!

Two standard pistols and two of the cap type sensor units.

Make me an offer, you pay shipping (Shouldn't be more than a few bucks, 
ground).

Aaron Gillum
agillum@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Availability of guns
From: rdale@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:04:04 GMT
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

> I've looked in several stores around the Indianapolis area, and can't find  
> the lasertag equipment anymore.  Is there any place or anyone that still  
> has this equipment available?


	You might try the Kay-Bee Toy chain.  They've discontinued the
line, but you could possibly find the stuff on closeout.  One store in
this area had an Adam computer up until a year or two ago.  Sheesh!
From: profesor@emilio.WPI.EDU (Matthew E Cross)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Laser Pro 9000 - possible to make them work with Lasertag?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:46:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: emilio.wpi.edu


My roommate recently found a cheap source for Laser Pro 9000's (about
$15 at Toys-R-Us, btw), and we were wondering if it was possible to
modify these gun/sensor units to work with Lasertag, or vice-versa.
Does anyone know?  Anyone care?  Do the guns just emit a simple
carrier signal, or is it more complicated than that?  I know the Laser
Pro 9000's by default can't be hit by their own emissions (unless you
start them in 'target' mode by holding down the trigger when you turn
them on) - anyone know how this works?

OK, i ramble on...  So I'm not an english major... ;)

	-matt

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