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From: palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:04:24 GMT

>   In article <1992Sep30.180924.17599@cbfsb.cb.att.com> joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap) writes:
>
>     According to the Wall Street Journal this morning, Mattel is selling
>     a product called "Teen Talk Barbie" which says 4 phrases.  One of the 
>     phrases is "Math class is hard".  I can't imagine a product better
>     1-800-421-2887 or write to Mattel at 330 Continental Blvd.,
>     El Secundo, Ca. 90245.

I saw a large display of Teen Talk Barbies at K-Mart the other day.
According to the back of the box, "Math class is hard" is NOT one of
the four phrases they say.  However, on the written description of the
doll, it says that Barbie says four fun phrases about, something like,
friends, dating, and school.  None of the four phrases listed on the
box have anything to do with school, so it sounds to me like Mattel
already realized that they had a problem and did some last minue
changes.



-- 
Christopher M. Palmer --------------------------- Intergraph Corporation
palmerc@abulafia.b14.ingr.com ---------------------- Huntsville, Alabama
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: HILARIOUS things they say - 2.75 YO
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:56:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

Over the past weekend, Sean the terrible 2.75 had the opportunity of
seeing his mom unclothed after getting out of the shower. After
surveying the architecture, he looked right at her breasts and said,
"When is MY chest going to blow up?"

Richard
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:41:12 GMT

In article <GeraldR.88.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes:
>My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
>think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.

Deborah, also 9, makes the same request, so it is part of our weekend ritual.
I don't know if it came out of daycare (I'd be a bit surprised if it did, as
staff-child ratio at the Snuggery in Berkeley was not 1-1), or from her mom,
as I've no knowledge of yer years 3.5-6.5, and couldn't put her to sleep (no
overnights till she was 7.5), due to mom's fiery accusations. I think in our
circumstances it is part of her need to have contact in a "safe way", she
still can't hug, but she likes to be hugged when her back is turned...

I can't claim we're "normal" since we've had an unusual, though increassingly
common seperation experience, but back rubs before sleep are a rule for us.


-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.
From: roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Query: words of riddle
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:45:33 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <1992Sep30.140028.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk> brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
>I'm looking for the words to a riddle I remember vaguely
>from my childhood, the answer to which is 'An Egg'. It
>starts something like:
>
>In marble halls without a door,
>Lined with a skin as soft as silk,
>
>and continues with:
>
>No thief can enter in,
>
>and something about a heart of gold.
>
>Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
>
>Brigid

I can't remember exactly how the riddle goes either, but it's one of the ones
that Bilbo Baggins uses to try and stump Gollum in "The Hobbit" if you
want to try and use that for reference.

Jeff_Roush@stortek.com
my opinions are my own... (and baby "whosits" is due November 17th)
From: kuenning@mahler.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Kuenning)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Learning to talk funny
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:48:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler

In article <19l45lINN9b1@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:

> Of my three kids, the youngest (23 months) is the only one that
> has been slow to talk.

I doubt there's really a problem, but just in case, you might want to
get his ears checked.  I have a friend, now 18, who had an ear
infection when he was too young to understand that there was a problem
or to communicate that his ears hurt.  A decade and a half later,
even after speech therapy, he can't pronounce the letter "r" properly.
--
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@itcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
From: tina@bnr.ca (Tina Ley P015)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need Advice:  Sheltie puppy for son's 3rd birthday
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:20:06 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

In article <1992Oct1.174932.9402@netcom.com>, dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:
|> 
|> Ours is 18 inches at the shoulder and a fit and trim 30 pounds.  I prefer
|> 'em bigger myself.  The "breeding standard" says 14-16 inches at the
|> shoulder and something like 20 pounds, but I think they're just trying to
|> change a working dog into a lap dog and are making wimpy Shelties
|> in the process.
|> 

I take offense to that statment. I breed Shelties and have 5 myself. The intent
is NOT to make a lap dog or a wimpy dog!! It is the size a Sheltie is suppose
to be. Not the size of a Collie. If you want a big dog that buy a Collie.
 
|> Oh, one last thing.  Shelties bark.  A lot.
|> 
They do bark alot...thats why you can have them debarked. (yes I know, it soundsterrible but it's not.) It costs about $35.00 and takes about 20 mins. They
feel no pain. It's about like having your tonsils taken out. Only one of my dogs has had this done but he's happier because his not always being told to
be quiet.

Shelties are very protective of children. My dogs protect my daughter like she
was a puppy. The never get violent but the always stay between strangers and 
Megan. They seem to protect the neighborhood kids to a lesser degree.

Tina Ley ... Megan's Mom (6months)

|> 
|> -- 
|> ========================================================================
|> Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: No Santa ilaus ???
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:57:51 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

We don't do Santa (except as a cute story) either, but we get just as
much fun out of the old guy and the reindeer as the next family. 

Our big push is to portray Christmas as a time for "giving" rather
than "getting". Also, we prefer to emphasize a celebration of the
birth of Christ even though many Bible scholars place the actual date
elsewhere on the calendar. (Yes, we tell the kids that too...)

Mostly, we didn't want to ever have to admit to intentionally deceiving
our kids for no better reason than entertainment. 

Honestly, the most enjoyment we as a family get from Christmas is 
the preparation and selection of gifts for others. That lasts for
two months beforehand. The friend/family fellowship is also wonderful.
The actual "getting" (from Santa or wherever) only lasts a short time.
(In fact, with my son, some toys don't ever see the day after Christmas
alive! :} )

usual disclaimers, YMMV, just my $0.02, etc. etc.

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From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Surevey: nicknames that have nothing to do w/ real names
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:32:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep30.013251.29105
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I am curious how many net.parents have come up with a nick
name that had nothing to do with the child's name, but with
they baby's personality? And what was the nick name?

e-mail me and I'll post a summary of them if there is a
big enough interest.

BTW- My Elizabeth's nickname is Tang. For quite a while she
has been lifting her arms in the air. Looks like an arangatang
when they are walking.  This nick isn't said in a mean way,
it actually is very cute when she does this.

-Laura (mom to almost 6 month old Elizabeth) Utt
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:38:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <2338@gandalf.intel.com> ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan) writes:
>
>My first child is due in January, and I intend to take full advantage
>of my company's liberal leave policies, but the time will 
>come when I'll need to install the little darling in a daycare
>situation and return to work.  
>

Disclaimer:  This advice applies only to compulsive worriers like me.  
             YMMV.

Do it *now*!  Many good daycare centers do have waiting lists.  Looking
for daycare before the child is born has the following advantages:

(1)  You've got better control of your time than you will post-partum.
     Visiting centers with a baby in tow is much more complex than
     visiting centers with just a tummy.

(2)  You can winnow down your choices to a select few, then revisit a
     couple of times.  This can reassure you that you didn't just
     see the center/provider on an apple-pie day.

(3)  Your co-workers are slightly (very slightly!) more likely to believe
     that you really intend to come back if you tell them that you
     already have daycare lined up.

(4)  Getting daycare settled leaves you with one less thing to worry about
     (see Disclaimer)

(5)  Nothing is a better outlet for maternal hormones than watching
     cute little babies being hugged and cuddled -- get your fix
     at a daycare provider!

Enjoy!
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Why am I so big?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.194641.20944@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
> > 
> > Sooooo.....Gestational diabetes doesn't just occur at 28 weeks -- it can
> > occur later in the pregnancy.  I would look into it.  Then again, it just
> 
> Hmmmmmm...I am at 24 weeks and am having my gluclose test tomorrow!
> I think this is the only time I get tested for it.......so does this
> mean I could still develop GD later on?


I suspect that its rare, but I'm at least one data point where it did
happen!  My doctor, when I asked whether it was rather late, seemed to
imply that it does happen -- supposedly more times that we are told about!

Unless there is some reason to test for it again, you probably
shouldn't worry.  I did spill sugar, albeit not at my scheduled
appointments but at a sickness one.  I only spilled sugar once, though.  I
did have borderline blood pressure problems for a couple of weeks.  So,
because of various things, they tested and found my diabetes.  I suspect
more women get it, but because it is later on, aren't tested for it and
then go on to have some of these large babies that are talked about on the
net (and some have large babies even without having diabetes -- its hard to
say since generally its not tested for beyond 24/28 weeks).

I only would worry if you are getting BIG and are beyond the test date (in
the last 10 weeks) and everything else looks fine (no excess ambiotic
fluid, etc.).  

	Karen

	  1 daughter, Alison, 4.5 months, 17 lbs, 12 oz and growing.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re:After the Stork sizes
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:30:17 EST

I've found the sizes on any cotton knits from ATS to be very small.  This is
also true of thermal underwear from anyone except Hanna.  My son is 2 1/2,
normally wears a 4T (Hanna 100 -110) - the 6 in underwear just fits.

Also FYI, the biocords from Biobottoms run enormous.  The 4 I got will
probably fit him in 2 years!  It's at least 5 inches longer inseam and 3
inches longer around the crotch than most of his 4s.  But they are nice and
soft...
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:05:20 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
           ^^^^^^^^^^^
>teacher, an elderly lady, told us that in her many decades of
>experience as a preschool teacher, she has only met two preschoolers
>this bright.  No need to say that we have great hope for her.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Suggestions wanted on how to "encourage" (i.e. force) their daughter
to be more career oriented.  Said daughter likes "The Little Mermaid"
and wants to get married and have kids]

My favorite response is
"If you want to have a doctor in the family, you should enroll
in medical school"

Parents should not try to live their child's life for them.  Yes,
you should present good role models (female doctors, or whatever).
Yes, you should tell your daughter that she can "have it all"
and be a doctor AND a wife AND a mother (but, have you talked to the
women who are trying to do that?  It's an incredibly demanding
task!).  However, I would also say CHILL OUT.  If your daughter
really wants to stay home and raise a family, then fine, it's her
life.  You should support her decisions and let her know her options.
I much prefer to say "You are a very bright little girl.  You will be
able to do whatever you want when you grow up."  This encompasses
being a Nobel Prize winner in physics, starting her own company,
or just staying home and planting a great garden.  People must choose
their own way.

Finally, your daughter is 4 YEARS OLD.  Next week, she'll probably want
to be a cowboy.  For heaven's sake, let her dream her dreams now.
It's a bit early to pick her career for her, or even insist that she
have one.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Finger Foods
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:25:35 GMT


My daughter is 4.5 months old.  She has been eating solids since the
beginning of Sept.  (She is a big girl -- 17 lbs, 12 oz at 4 months).  She
sometimes wants to eat cereal, sometimes not.  She loves vegies, dislikes
fruits (even though, I've gotten her to eat applesauce by putting it in her
cereal -- just started this on Monday).

She really wants to have control over her eating.  She grabs the spoon from
me and "helps" me feed her with it; she takes the food off the spoon and
puts it into her mouth; and she eats it off the spoon, spits it out onto
her hand and then sucks it up from her hand (yes, it is very messy, but I
let her because it does give her some control over what she eats and how
much).

Are there any finger foods that are soft/mushy enough that she can start
experimenting with at this age?  Will bananas be mushy enough that she
won't choke on them?  (She is eating only 1st foods now.)  Is there
anything else I can let her experiment with eating with?  Can she nibble on
teething biscuits at this point or should I wait?

I asked my doctor and she was vague -- both about what to use/when and when
to move to chunkier foods.  I just thought maybe someone else might have
some ideas/guidelines that I can pick and choose from.

   Karen

	[Alison - 4.5 months and GROWING!!!!]
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:55:37 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Oct6.170406.957@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>How about it, anyone get hungry during labour?   Now, AFTERWARDS I was
>ravenous and the cafeteria was closed...

Well, I don't remember being at all hungry during labor with my first
two kids, but I was with the third.  About 4 AM, I think, when labor
wasn't progressing very fast, our Midwife turned to me and said:

Sharon (Midwife): And what did you have for dinner?

Me: Not much, I wasn't hungry and my stomach was a little upset.
 	[note, seems to be common pre-labor "symptom" with me]

Sharon:  Would you like me to find you something to eat?

Me:  YES!

She managed to find Lipton's chicken noodle soup and some toast.
It was absolutely the best food I've ever eaten.  And after that,
labor progressed much more quickly. Chris was born at about 9:25 AM.

Peggy
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty training FAQ
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:02:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

It was sent to Cathryn as I received an e-mail request for it from her.

For anyone else who's interested in getting the FAQ, please keep in mind
that I'm on maternity leave (i.e., not at work full-time any more) and
do not read my e-mail on a regular basis.  Please be patient when making
the request..... I will eventually get back to you but it may be a week
before I see your request.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: New Orleans vs. Fox TV
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:37:44 GMT


-- 
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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:10:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Yes, they definitely *did* do this to me
(about 2 hours after the c-section) and
I have no problem remembering it. I
pushed the nurse's hands away, saying
"don't *do* that!"

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.025850.11056@engage.pko.dec.com>, 
pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes...

>In article <1992Oct02.234848.18919@watson.ibm.com> 
>johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>>
>>And midwifes don't typically starve and dehydrate the poor woman for
>>her entire labor either.  Talk about setting you up for intervention!
>
>But if the labor turns out to be difficult or something unexpected
>happens, it takes a real MD to handle the situation and save the
>woman's life.  As to "starve" and "dehydrate", well, the real
>doctors seek to minimize the risk of the worst case, instead of
>looking to maximize the confort level of the average case.

There's an enormous body of research that shows midwives are less prone to
intervene unnecessarily in birth, and thus have outcomes at least as good
as and often better than doctors. Properly trained midwives are fully
qualified to handle many types of complications, and to refer their clients
to an obstetrician or family doctor if there is a complication that is
beyond their skills.

In the Netherlands, which has significantly better birth outcomes than the
U.S. or Canada, 40% of all births are handled at HOME, strictly by
midwives. No doctor is ever involved. Many hospital births are handled by
midwives only. The caesarean rate is less than half that in North America,
and the rates of other interventions are also dramatically lower. A strong
midwifery system there is credited for keeping obstetrics "honest" and
restricting the overuse of medical technology by providing an alternative
model that proves aggressive intervention is only necessary in a small
minority of births.

Denying women food and fluids in labour is an archaic practice that dates
back to the period when general anaesthesia in childbirth was common. It's
intended to prevent the aspiration of stomach contents, which is a rare but
serious complication of general anaesthesia. In _A Guide to Effective Care
in Pregnancy and Childbirth_ (Oxford University Press, 1990), which is
*the* authoritative summary of a ten-year international effort to assess
medical research on poregnancy and birth, you will find the conclusion that
enforced fasting during labour is only partly effective, has unpleasant
consequences, and is "potentially hazardous to the mother and possibly her
baby."

The authors stress that general anaesthesia in labour should be avoided
whenever possible, and that "proper anesthetic technique with meticulous
attention to the known safeguards" should be used when it is necessary.
They find that the research does NOT support denying food and fluids.

Ben Wolfe

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dwp@cactus.org (Deborah Platt)
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:04:41 GMT

In article <z2-pxg_@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:
>1. The diabetes linkage hasn't been confirmed by anyone else, and
>the paper also finds the linkage only in kids given cow's milk in the
>first year of life. All competent pediatricians advise against
>cow's milk in the first year of life! It is quite hard on
>the stomach at that age. (please note that milk-based formula
>has been processed to eliminate the problem of gastric irritation).

I read about this study some months ago.  If I remember correctly,
there is a risk that cow's milk within the first year can (in some
infants) cause a highly undesireable auto-immune response.  I think
the article said that a protein found in milk triggers the immune
response (again, in some infants).  Unfortunately this protein is
similar to a protein found in the pancreas.  The immune system then
mistakenly attacks the pancreas, gradually destroying it.  The result
is juvenile onset diabetes at about the age of 7.

Also it wasn't clear from the article whether the protein in milk
which triggers this response is in formula or not.  It really
wasn't a problem of gastric irritation per se.

Well that pretty much sums up what I remember.  Hope I haven't
gotten it all wrong.

Deb Platt
-- 

========================================================================
Deb Platt
dwp@cactus.org		cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!dwp
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