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From: m_lott@csd.uwe.ac.uk (M Lott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos list needs Colorado source
Summary: List address
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <92343.134839AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>I am maintaining a Broncos email list of about 22 die hard Broncos fans all
>across the United States who need a RELIABLE source for weekly Broncos
>news (at least during the season) since many of us do not get to see the
>Broncos games each week and do not get the Denver papers. We are not expecting
>tons of material, just short reports on games, injuries, and other
>news regarding the team, such as trades, plan-B, and the draft.
>Please send me email if you might be able to provide such news on a
>fairly regular basis, or if you would like to be added to our email list.
>
>Allen French
Can anyone tell me the address of the Denver Broncos mailing list?
Thanks in advance.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:35:55 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "Niner fans" and net.rudeness

I'd rather see a group of ignorant 49ers fans than Buffalo fans.  The Buffalo
group is a lot worse - thank goodness Buffalo lost 2 in a row.  Now we don't
have to put up with all that @#$%!!! Buffalo crap!!
** Rob **
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: 15th Week Finals
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:57:15 GMT

15th WEEK SCORES............................

SATURDAY'S SCORES:
Denver  17			Buffalo  27 * FINAL
NY Giants  0		   Phoenix  19 * FINAL

SUNDAY'S SCORES:
San Francisco  20	Minnesota  17 * FINAL Exciting
Atlanta  35			Tampa Bay  7 * FINAL
Cleveland	 14		Detroit  24 * FINAL
Indianapolis	10 	NY Jets  6 * FINAL
New England  20		Kansas City  27 * FINAL
Pittsburgh  6		Chicago  30 * FINAL EmotionaL
Dallas	 17			Washington 20 * FINAL FOOTBALL GODS SPOKE!
New Orleans	30		LA Rams  0  * FINAL Blowout
Philadelphia 20 	Seattle  17  * OT FINAL
Cincinnati 10		San Diego  27 * FINAL
Green Bay  16		Houston  14  * FINAL
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:31:40 CST

In article 23117@cs.wisc.edu, jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:

<stuff deleted>

>with the Eagles due to head to head record}.  At this point, I can't decide if
>the Packers have a better shot at the division, or the wild card.

Just look at it this way - if the Steelers or Redskins win this week,
the Packers control their own playoff destiny.  I personally don't care
which way gives us the best shot, just that one (or both) of those
teams win.  Of course, this is all assuming the Packers win on Sunday.

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From: donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM (Don Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos/playoff chances/help?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:32:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Bob,

You don't have to worry, Denver is going to lose there
last 2 games, and NOT make the playoffs. It is about time
anyway. They would not win the superbowl anyway.

Donald
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where will Montana go...
Date: 19 Dec 1992 21:28:38 GMT
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The Purple Bleeder (sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:

> Please please Joe come to MN.

I don't think Eddie D. is that dumb. If Joe has to go, he (Eddie) will
try to ensure that Joe goes to an AFC team. The spectre of the Vikes
with a real QB at their helm is enough to make many in the league
quake..
--
Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Similarities beween the Vikes and the Browns.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:08:26 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


The Vikes and the Browns are similar in many ways.  Both have
the uneviable capability to shatter the hope of their fans
after raising their expectations high.  The history of the
Vikes bears witness to this: 4 super Bowl losses + many
other chokes.  As for the Browns.... the "FUMBLE" and the
"DRIVE"+ other chokes . And howmany times both these teams have snatched
defeat from the jaws of victory.

Both do something stupid on the field like lot of mental
mistakes on the field on crucial and important games. 
Both have been also unlucky in the past.

On the field, this season, both have good-D with the
vikes-D a shade better.  The Browns atleast have some O
with the Vikes having none at all.

The Browns lost a crucial game at Detroit after giving their
fans some hopes for the playoffs and the Vikes look like
falling apart after almost raising their fan hopes to
almost Super-Bowl levels.

I feel tragically comical that I like both these teams, don't
ask me why?  Try Bud Dry...... :-):-)

S.H
And I will go into mourning for the rest of the year if the
Vikes choke again.

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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Packer playoff hopes (revisited)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:02:41 GMT

I just wanted to include my comments on the Packers playoff hopes for this 
year.  I feel the most important game for them now is not the GB/Hou game, but 
the Dal/Wash game.  Not to say they wouldn't help themselves out a great deal 
by winning.
     If Dallas beats Wash GB is still alive with a decent chance for the WC 
even if they don't beat Hou.  Washington would have to then beat the Eagles in 
the Vet to avoid losing the tiebreaker with GB.  Even if Washington beatts 
Philly, they still would have an outside chance of NY beating Philly in the 
last game.  This is all of course assuming that GB would win their last two 
games. (which they must do to stay alive).
     If GB and Dallas win, GB is in the driver's seat because they will have 
the advantage over the loser of the Philly/Wash game next week.  Of course by 
Driver's seat I mean they control their own destiny, not are a cinch to win.
     If Wash beat Dallas, I sure hope they can do it again in Philly.

Of course let me say againthis is all pretty much moot, if GB loses to  LA or 
MInn.  (But at least they will have made it interesting).

I'll shut up now.

Paul
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Subject: Re: Skins get the break and the game
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:25:54 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec14.001354.11934@pony.Ingres.COM> daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:
>Let me sour-grapes for all the 'Poke fans as a disinterested party.
>
>You hate to see a game turned on a questionable call.  It looked to me
>like an incomplete pass, but when things get tight, luck comes into
>play.  (This is the true lesson of playing kids's sports -- life is
>unfair, and you don't always get the right call).
>
>I think the only logic in saying that it wasn't a pass was if he'd
>somehow pulled it back on a pump, and it wasn't a pulled back looking
>motion-- more a "here it is back in your face" bat down.

The way it looked to me is that as Aikman started his forward motion, he never
got the ball released before Jason Buck smashed into his arm, forcing it and
the ball back until the ball dropped from Aikman's hand.

>
>It could have been called a safety, with Smith down too.  It would
>have been *very* interesting watching the 'Pokes defend against a
>winning field-goal with time running down.

In this case, I guess the ruling was that Smith lost control of the ball before 
he was officially downed (maybe it was before the whistle blew?)


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: playoff games question
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:23:42 GMT

<SLANE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>    Maybe this has been dealt with recently , but I can't find it , so until
>  we get a FAQ , here goes :-
>  First round is clear , DC3 vs WC3 and WC2 vs WC1.
>  Let's say , as an example , this leaves ....
>  SF     14  2                   DC1
>  DAL    13  3                   DC2
>  MIN    11  5                   DC3
>  NO     13  3                   WC1
>  Does SF play MIN because it has the worst record , or does SF play NO
>  because they are ranked lower ?

   worst ranked is always at best ranked in play-offs now... so NO
would play at SF and MIN at DAL in your scenario...


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Sunday observations...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:02:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.070225.27136@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>I was referring back to the more recent discussion about Aikman's ability
>to come through in the clutch.  
Aikman's inability to come thru' in the clutch, once again, shows.

With 3 minutes left, down by 3 point, a tailor-made situation for the 
Staubachs, the Montanas, the Elways. Hey, Elway could have driven the team
to a game tying FG in 2 fewer minutes. Montana wouldn't have settled for
a FG, he would have gone for 7.

But no sweat, the Redskins have done this to many other QBs. The recent ones I
recall:

1) Jim Harbaugh, in Dec. 1990. Skins leading 10-9, Harbaugh started a
last minute drive deep from his own territory, stalled right outside the
FG range. 

2) Chris Miller, Sept. 1992. The Skins leading 24-17. Miller drove his
team deep into Skins territory before Kurt Gouveia picked off his pass in 
the endzone. 

3) Rodney Peete, Sept. 1992. The Skins leading 16-13, Peete drove his
team to FG range, but it was a long FG (45+ yards), it wasn't even close.

4) Aikman.

The only QB who managed to stage a comeback victory against the Skins recently
was Jeff Kemp, who drove his team to a FG at the gun at the season finale 
last season.

In other words, I would say Aikman is in the same class as Harbaugh, Miller
and Peete, but a class below Jeff Kemp.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eddie Murray was(Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity')
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:06:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com


Murray is not kicking for the Buccaneers.  Don't know what happened to 
Willis.

nate
From: brianm@nachos.EBay.Sun.COM (Brian Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cost of Season Tickets?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:28:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: nachos.ebay.sun.com

A 49er season ticket costs $35.75/game x 10 games = $357.50, regardless of where
you sit (excluding luxury boxes).
From: kowalski@crim.ca (Allan Kowalski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: saints/niners discussion
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:20:05 GMT
Organization: Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal

As a loyal, and thoroughly disgusted rams fan, who loves
to hate both the 49ers and the saints allow me to 
objectively state that

THE SAINTS AT LEAST HAVE SOME CLASS AND SOME HEART.

THEY DON'T HAVE A DADDY WARBUCKS BUYING THEIR
PLAYERS BLOWJOBS BEFORE EACH GAME LIKE THE WHINERS

AND THEY HAVE HAD TO DO MORE WITH LESS THRU THE 
YEARS.

ONLY THE WHINERS COULD HAVE AFFORDED TO PAY
A STEVE YOUNG MILLIONS EVERY YEAR FOR ALMOST
A DECADE TO PREPARE FOR A STARTING ROLE. YEAH SURE,
MARK MALONE COULD HAVE BEEN A STARTER WITH THAT KIND OF
ENVIRONMENT.

The saints have had some bad trades (steve walsh), bad 
breaks (DB injuries last year) and still persevere. The
whiners just keep buying their good fortune and
spend a mint on private scouting before each draft.
(and still come up with ... dana hall ?????????)

If football were measured by expenses the niners would
be champs, but considering how they dumped lott and craig
they are CHUMPS ...


GO RAMS (next year at least). !!!!!!!
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:00:23 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Barry Foster, rushing records
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:11:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <b2Y103q8c3pY00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie
 Townsend) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.181013.11015@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com
(David Nix) writes:
>>> Pittsburgh's only remaining pro star named Barry is setting new Steeler
>>> records, but what's the single-season rushing record for the league? I
>>> remember O.J. Simpson's heyday, but wasn't the record broken by Walter
>>> Payton? I assume it doesn't include post-season play.
>>
>>This is all from memory, but the figures are in the ballpark.
>>
>>The first 1000-yard rusher in the NFL was a guy back in the 40's who did
>>it on right around 100 rushes during 11 or 12 games. He has a funny name
>>like Feathers or something like that.
>>
>>The record kept increasing until Jim Brown rushed for 1860+ yards in the
>>60's (he did it in 12 games), and that record stood until 1972 when O.J.
>
>Why do people keep insisting that Jim Brown got 1800 yards in a 12 game season?
>For the last time... JIM BROWN SET HIS RECORD IN A 14 GAME SEASON!!!! OJ SIMPSO
N
>THEN BROKE THAT RECORD IN A 14 GAME SEASON. NOBODY HAS EVER GOTTEN 2000 IN A
>14 GAME SPAN SO 1972 STILL REMAINS THE BENCHMARK FOR GREAT SEASONS BY A RUNNING
>BACK!
>
>Whew!
>
>>rushed for 2003 yards by gaining almost 200 yards in the snow in the final
>>week of the season.  He surpassed Brown's mark in the first half and then
>>surpassed 2000 yards with a couple of minutes left in the game, after which
>>he was taken out.  O.J. did it in 14 games.
>
>In the snow.. rushed for over 200 yards... It was glorious!!
>
>>In perspective, Barry Foster has a chance to break the record but would
>>have to put together some monster 200+ yard performances.  However, anything
>>over 1800 yards would put him in an elite club with Jim Brown, O.J Simpson,
>>Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, and Eric Dickerson.
>
>Foster does not belong in this club. Nor will he get there this year.
>
>Emmitt, Barry S. .. perhaps... Foster... No... No... and No again!
>
>--
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
>

Check the stats:  Foster is closer to doing it than either Smith or Sanders.
In fact, Barry S is pretty far back.
-- 

Tom Schmidlin
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU
215-758-0875
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:50:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: VIKINGS WIN!!! 6-3
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:09:40 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1h2mtfINN2lo@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>
>	Ugly or not, we are the NFC Central Champs! We have beaten a
>	winning team in Pittsburgh, and we are definately headed to the
>	playoffs. Awesome Sunday!
>
>	Mark
>	GO VIKINGS!
>
>	ps- Sorry Pack fans, you gave it a great effort, just a bit short.
>

sorry, not to cause any flames, but if the Vikes cannot
score anymore than 6 points, their playoff advancement hopes are
rather dismal.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:49:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.112625.19297@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>Seems to me, you helped prove his point, Ed. He's saying that it can't be
>proven that the 49ers were the best of all time, 
That's NOT the point he was trying to prove. He point was

  "It's easier to win a championship in the 80s than in the 60s".

and went on to give numbers on how difficult it was to make the playoffs
(only one of out seven teams) back in the 60s.

>just as you can't prove
>the packers were the best of all time. Sounded like you said the same thing.
Whether the 49ers or the Packers were the best of all time are only a
matter of opinions. But when you present supporting evidences to back up
your opinions, make sure the evidences are logical. 

I am only interested in attacking the evidences. As far as the "49ers
vs Packers" opinion is concerned, I am leaning towards the 49ers, but
that's a totally different issue.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re:  Half a question (Sorry)
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <4200@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM>, you write:
>In article <1992Dec16.155002@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>>IE. 15yd penalty is half the distance when it is inside the 30;
>>    10yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  20;
>>and  5yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  10.
>
>Uh, I thought it went more like this:
>IE. 15yd penalty is half the distance when it is inside the 15;
>    10yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  10;
>and  5yd   "     "   "    "     "       "  "  "     "    "  05.

> Bob Marshall and LOTS of others wrote:
As thousands of r.s.f.p. readers are going to tell you : you thought wrong.

And they are right.  If I though for half a second I would have realized how
stupid my resonse really was.

go giants
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