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From: ST102315@BROWNVM.BITNET (Jake)
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Subject: Re: Blues - Put up or Shut up
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:36:38 GMT
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>So now it's put up or shut up....admit your wrong and can't do it or
>fill my mailbox.......What you gonna do......I'll be waiting L.W.
>
>P.S. don't get fired up and start trying to flame me or something stupid
>like that...just mail it and i'll send a reveiw to the board.

Truthfully speaking, if you don't want to get flamed, you might want to
try being a bit less scornful and contemptuous in this.

My original post was a defense of blues, not an attack on those who scorn
it...I figured, "Well here's a great type of music that people look down
on...I should show them why it's a mistake to look down on it."  I didn't,
and still don't, think that you have to necessarily be brain dead or have
no soul to dislike the blues.  There are too many things that I dislike,
despite their quality.  I just wanted to convince others that having no
brain or ability to appreciate music was not a prerequisite for enjoying
blues, and that blues don't have to be a "simple" art form.

Still and all, I do recommend that people take advantage of the above
offer...sounds like a smokin' tape!

Talk to y'all later,
jwgh
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:36:09 EDT
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Oscar Brand, SRV, etc

Rob: I actually sat in on a folk music seminardiscussion at Nassau
Community College during their folk fest, sometime in the mid to late
70's. He was pretty good, eventhough I really hadn't heard of him.

Scott (no longer colorblind james Hammer: I may be hallucinating, but
unless you've performed under this moniker fairly recently (last year or
so) in the Ithaca area, then someone else is using the name. There is a
band that plays here sometimes, or did, called The Colorblind James
Experience. Weird, or what...

The 1st I heard of Stevie Ray was when my friends The Hurricanes played as
1st band to the Thunderbirds in a club in San Diego around 1983 or so. My
friend talked to the band and told me if I liked Jimmie's playing, just
wait for his little brother who was coming up fast in Texas. The first
song I heard was Pride and Joy. They had it on a juke box in S.D., and I
played the hell out of that song - it still pumps me up amazingly. Well,
I'm looking forward to the new SRV live thing. Leonard, I have a buddy who
has some SRV that he tapes for me, but if he doesn't have Texas Flood, I'll
send you my address. And I have a VERY hot white female blues singer's
tape, she's called Joan Osborne. If you'd like a copy, let me know, send me
a blank and I'll dub it up for you.

Later, all
                                                  .... walt ...
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:27:32 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: longest song title ever???
              5 Oct 1992 11:24:03 EDT from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.ED U>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:24:03 EDT Scott Hammer said:
>>
>>   "I'm a Clanky Old Yank in a Clanky Old Tank on the Streets of Yokohama
>>With My Honolulu Mama Doin' Those Beat-o, Beat-o, Flat on My Seat-O, Hirohito
>>Blues" written by Hoagy Carmichael in 1943.  That's the title, supposedly;
>>I'm trying to find reference to it in other sources. So far, I haven't had
>>much luck locating it in Carmichael's autobiography, RLIN, OCLC, and several
>>discographies. Can anybody verify this?
>>
>I can't verify that this is a Hoagy Carmichael tune.  I can verify, however,
>that this is *somebody's* tune as I've *heard it performed* by a group that
>combines Ancient and Folk Music influences (and whose name I cannot remember).
>They're from the Washington, DC area, and their membership includes one member
>of the National Symphony (on viols, rebecs, and the like).  Can anyone name
>this group?  Ken?
>
>-Scott "I Thought I was Wrong Once, But I was Mistaken" Hammer
> College of William and Mary

I give.  I don't know of any member of the Nats that plays a rebec around town
&, truthfully, can't imagine any of them playing the above.  Almost sounds like
something Scott Reiss, Tina, and Bruce would do with Hesperus, especially as
Tina does rebec, & Hesperus does early/traditional crossover fusion stuff.  But
I can't say as I've ever heard them do this little number.
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Re: EARNED INCOME
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:21:03 GMT
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In a previous article, o'connor@LUAU.KEAN.EDU () says:

>          If someone wants thier music to appeal to all types of
>          listners, they are often labeled a SELLOUT. I don't think
>          you can condem anyone who wants to be liked by a great
>          variety of people and make a large sum of money while doing
>          it.

  You should definitely think again, because I (and many others, even)
can do it all day long. I just wanted you to understand that it *is* far
from impossible, as you seem to be saying. Of course, if this was the
artist's primary goal to begin with (i.e. being rich and popular vs.
making music which expresses something other than the desire to be rich),
then the term "sellout" doesn't really apply, but that's another chapter.
 So, what exactly was your point again?

  Jeff ("n.n.")

 
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:02:04 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Stevie Ray

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:32:29 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>
>I've been waiting on this for awhile have you seen the live at elmacomba video
>it's awesome. Srv was incredible, but now that i'm a heavy metal fan i'm not
>sure i'll like him as much :-)......L.'metal-head'W.

No I've never seen this video I've seen him live once in a sweaty little dive
in Lafayette Looziana called Grant Street Dance Hall where the crowd was half
really grungy bikers and half college kids and half other people who probably
didn't like heavy metal much but the show was ok though not his best but it's
the only time I ever got to see SRV live in person so I'll have to look for
that Live at El Macomba vid.

Paul 'hey writing runon sentences is kinda fun' Heroy
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:38:00 CST
From:         AD81095@UDLAPVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Mexican music

Do anyone knows any mexican music? or Does anybody likes mexican music?

     I know mexico isn't known in the world for good pop music, but for its folk
   music? But is anybody interested in the music of my country?

Hector
AD81095@UDLAPVMS

*Me gustaria recibir correspondencia con sus opiniones*
*I'd like to receive mail with your opinions*
From: HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET (Paul Heroy)
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Subject: Teaching music
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:09:28 GMT
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              15 Oct 1992 13:10:27 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:10:27 EDT Sonia Kovitz said:
>
>Lisa, before you jump in and start teaching piano to innocent victims, just
>remember how many people have been TURNED OFF to music by the way they learned
>piano!

<Sonia proceeds to make several good points, deleted for brevity.>

I've never taught piano, only taken it for 10 years, most of which I hated.
The one thing that's stuck with me is that I was forced to play the standard
repertoire of classical music, and never really encouraged to try playing
something *I* wanted to play, even just for fun. I think people tend to be
more receptive to learning if they are having fun. Just MHO.

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:51:54 +1000
From:         "(Mark Andrew Hawling)" <chuck@CS.UNSW.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: Motorhead on the Tonight show

>What happened to Metallica?! Those
>sellouts! Their new album has me disgusted! Every song is going up the MTV
>charts, there is a ballad in the true sense of the word on the album, and the
>lyrical content of the songs is about as thought provoking as blue cheese! What
>happened? One day, metal band with strong lyrical content and interesting
 music,
>   the next just another glam band seemingly from L.A. Anybody agree with me
 her
>   e?
>Maybe this has something to do with the fact that the same guy who produced
>Motley Crue's latest garbage did the producing on this one.

The "Metallica" album really is quite lame musically and lyrically. There
are a few ok songs, but stuff like the ballads and that song about hunting
are just pathetic. "Sad But True" is probably the only song that really
has kept up to the standard musically but I don't know about lyrically.
I also didn't like how they made this album self titled because it, to me,
was kind of symbolising a new beginning and a leaving behind of the past.
This really seemed a preperation for selling out.

The only good stuff they are releasing now are the extra tracks on their
singles. The b-side to Sad but true is pretty cool. Still Bob Rock's
production was a big mistake, bring back Flemming..

Mark
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:40:00 CDT
From:         TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
Subject:      Charles Ives (was Top Allmusic Posters)

- Drummer -   (#1 Allmusic Poster) said:

>   Yes! Beer can't even come close to touching the ultimate in Allmusic
>   Posting! Yes, what can *I* say?
>
>   I am amazing, aren't I?
>
>   Yes...

What have you done for me lately? Don't tell me your getting lazy in your
old age! How about a report on Zappa's "You Can Do That On Stage Anymore"
volumes 5 & 6.

I'm buying as little music (or anything else as possible) in hopes of
saving enough money to take two weeks off in February and visiting my
significant other who is in France till next June. Otherwise, I'd probably
have bought either or both of these Zappa CD's by now. Memory tells me that
there's a tune on one of them titled "Charles Ives". What's it like?

(which is a nifty segue into....)

How about some Ives discussion? My favorites include the Three New England
pieces, his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th symphonies, and two albums: one a collection
of his choral works, and the other a collection of his works for "theatre
orchestra", a misnomer for what Zappa later called a "low budget symphony
orchestra". Actually, I kinda like the balance in these orchestrations most
of all. They only have about 8-10 strings total, so they don't take on that
syrupy quality, but still carry the same emotion of a string section. I
taped the "theatre orchestra" album from a public library back home, so I
don't really have much info on the recordings, other than I remember that
many of the pieces were early versions of some of his later work. (He loved
to tinker with his music, and often would change some of his compositions
several times over the course of a decade.) Memory tells me that most were
premire recordings, and were recorded by a group at Oxford.

Ives music always seems to swirl about me, and catch me by suprise. He is
perhaps Americas greatest composer. Thoughts?

Well, off to delete old mail. I've got over 10 megs of stuff in my account
and my sys admin is about to start shoving bamboo under my fingernails if I
don't start deleting stuff soon. 95% of it is mail - What a packrat I am...

                                           Tom <TBuck@Knox.Bitnet>
                                           "Sound Can Wash Clothes"
                                                  - Sun Ra -
                                         but it won't clean out my account!
From: USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave Hall)
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Subject: Tom Waits
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:36:41 GMT
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     Anyone catch Tom Waits on Arsenio Hall Friday Night?  He had dry hair!
Made him look like Kramer from _Seinfeld_ (Which isn't all bad, just
different.).  Christ now I can't remember the song he did.  Anyway its
something "West" (Goin' out West?) and its off his latest album.  Not
bad.....

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From: rdb@ktibv.uucp (The Graphical Gnome)
Subject: Mexican Music Question
Organization: KTI BV
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:04:33 GMT

Hay,

Last X-mas while I was in a Mexican restaurant in Equador I heard a album
they were playing on the cassette player. It sounded like the begin years
of Pink Floyd (Psychedelic like moody music, hard to explain). It
was music from a Mexican Group and they played traditional Maya Music
on synthesisers. And now the problem arrises.
The name of the group OR album is :

"La isquerda de colibri" (sp??). I know this is the translation of one
of the main AZTEC gods.

I want to know the name of the group or the name of albums, because I
realy did dig the music. If it's only available in Mexico, no problem
I will be in Mexico during x-mas.


Happy Hacking The Graphical Gnome

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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:19:05 MDT
From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Uprihgt Alghebrah

Hah!

I'm back from Chicago and ready to mock subject lines...  :)

So who's gonna send me the readers digest account of what I missed?? Ummm,
EdDiE... you could always send a lyrical version....

BTW, I left Libby Doe in Chicago for a while -- da Beer wants to retain her as
his token blonde groupie.

- Carol
From: skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Sonia Kovitz)
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Subject: Re: A slightly altered thread
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:35:34 GMT
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              Hall" at Oct 16, 92 11:55 am

Rev. Dave in the pulpit:

>   Rock and Roll like TV has become a pacifier, an opiate (to borrow
> a metaphor) of the masses.  True, good things are accomplished by and
> through music but I wonder about their purity.

PURITY???????????

just be glad about what IS...

it seems to me that honest music (honesty = rebellion most always) is more
feisty and resilient than you think...

Get down = get dirty... so let it get dirty... as long as it still kicks...

There's enough talk on this net about GOOD kickin stuff (both old and new, and
if the old is still kickin then it's still part of the scene, still brewing
rebellion...)... that you don't need to worry... As one of my role models has
said, ROCK AND ROLL WILL NEVER DIE!!!

What impresses me is how many people ON this very net are making
some damn good music--I realize they aren't making a living at it--but how are
you going to "judge" a rebellion anyway?  I have this absurd faith in the
meaning of individual private acts, even if there are no masses leaping to the
barricades...  IMHO making music in your private life takes enormous
dedication and conviction... baby, there's your rebellion... they can't shut us
up...

Your logic is impeccable, but logic isn't the whole story.

Sonia

p.s. Bloom on the "context behind that one [Albert King] note" - I will
definitely agree with you on that - indeed, that IS the point: King is
the one who creates the context: the note is all that ISN'T said as much as
what IS said, and THAT's the BLUES...

 (is this a spacy Friday afternoon or what?)
From: MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET (Rick)
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Subject: Re: A survivor from Warsaw
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:59:14 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:40:25 EDT Ken Koester said:
>Yes, MHB, but Schoenberg didn't write over 500 pieces, did he?  (Quick, what's
>the BWV number of the Brandenberg concertos?  Time's up!)

     BWV 1046-1051 for the 6 Brandenburgs.
     What??? Time's up??

     This damn BITNET. It's way too sluggish!!

Disgruntledly,
Rick
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:25:36 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Classical Music Poll - part II

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:06:44 EDT Tim Johnson said:
>>>A list of the few works which got more than one mention.
>>>In order by composer:
>
>>That list is alphabetical order.  Which piece got the most votes?
>>Jeff
>
>
>  Vivaldi's Four Seasons won, followed closely by (surprise)
>the Golberg Variations....  (talk about your sleeper hit...  ;-)
>
>
Hmmph!  Neither one was either composer's best--I only put down 4 seasons
because I didn't have the R number of the sopranino recorder concerto.
*Grumble, grumble*
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Subject: Moments In Time
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:59:23 GMT
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I'm preparing a lecture on Metal Music that I will be giving in mid
November. I have various dates in history tracing Metal's origins. I
want to cross reference some of this information. I have outlined some
items at the end of this memo. Some are fact cross referencing requests,
others are poll oriented. That is, in the case of the latter, I want
your opinions. These opinions will be used in the lecture as perceptions
of others.

Please send any and all responses, harsh or otherwise, to
UICD@MARIST or UICD@VM.MARIST.EDU. I'm on the ALLMUSIC digest, so any
questions or responses won't been seen by me until the point of new
digest. Also, please try to use the subjects Metal or Moments In Time
as subject headers, where possible, because a program of mine will
be sifting through information and keying off these words whenever
they can. Everything else will be done the old fashioned way - by eye,
hand, and paper!

Again, please realize that I have information on the items below, but
I want to cross reference them with others and get some 'fresh' views
from the ALLMUSIC community. ALLMUSIC, I think, is part
of the wealth of electronic 'libraries' on BITNET/INTERNET. I might
just receive information/details that are 'new' to me.

Thanks! -Dero "Self proclaimed Metal Historian and Metal's Most
Progressive Son"

1) Earliest know recording of The Byrds on a major label. Please include
   label name, name of the release, year of the release, and record
   label.

2) Same as #1, except replace artist with Blue Cheer.

3) The year, record label, and album name of Steppen Wolf's song
   "Born To Be Wild".

4) Same as #1, except replace artist with Deep Purple.

5) Any lore as to where the term Heavy Metal originated. Include any
   detailed information. (Yes, I am open to those with personal
   theories. I've got one of my own.)

6) In your opinion, important dates or events related to Metal. Examples:
   The PMRC. The inclusion of Head Banger's Ball on MTV. Religious
   movements against Metal. (I've got a nice bio on Tipper Gore from the
   Internet community.)

7) Definitions of what Metal music is/is not. This, again, is a matter
   of opinion. However, I want to present to the audience a sample of
   other views of how Metal is defined by others. I want to give a some-
   what balanced view, while dispelling some myths.

8) Who do you think Metal music appeals to? (Age group. Sex. Race. etc.)

9) Do you know of any other publications (magazines, books, electronic
   lists, etc.) that include, have covered, or has an interest in Metal
   music? If so, what are they and what do you know about them?
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:34:50 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Top Allmusic Posters

   Yes! Beer can't even come close to touching the ultimate in Allmusic
   Posting! Yes, what can *I* say?

   I am amazing, aren't I?

   Yes...


                                   - Drummer -   (#1 Allmusic Poster)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:41:23 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:05:48 EDT Michael H. Bloom said:
>. . . Me, I wish I could get my ill-
>conceived preconceptions threatened more often! I like it when somebody turns
>me on to country or rap or opera that I can relate to, as opposed to clinging
>to some fraudulent notion that it's inherently tacky and/or commercial swill.
>
Hear, hear!  What could be finer than discovering some whole new music that
you've never lived with before?  Me, I trot my prejudices out only to laugh at
them. . . .
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: A survivor from Warsaw
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:05:48 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92101409131286@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
>I think for these players, the key point of improv is that it sharpens your
>perception of events and puts a premium on instantaneous responses. And for
>players with that idea, form-- the broader shaping of a series of events over
>time-- is simply not of interest. They want to attain a kind of zen effect of
>living in the moment, and doing so with such conviction and clarity that their
>playing becomes a recognizable means of self-expression, even when bereft of
>the compositional virtues of form, melody, harmony, etc.

Right.  Most improvisers don't know what is going to happen next any
more than the audience.  I get the most satisfaction when I play the
shit I don't know.

It is a legend as old as time, but someone transcribed a Coltrane solo,
and they took it up to Coltrane, and asked if he could play it to see if
it was right.  Coltrane couldn't play it, that it was too difficult.

>I've got several records of this stuff, by artists like Derek Bailey, Anthony
>Braxton, etc. I don't listen to them much any more, because I discovered that
>it's not so interesting when you can't watch their faces as they play.

huh?  You could put them on while watching tv, turning the sound down on
the tv.  I remember doing that with an aerobics show and listened to
Frank Zappa's Aerobics in Bondage.  It worked.

>And what have I ever done to deserve the epithet "Bloomster"???

We are in the Saturday Night Live era.  If it was in the bebop era, you
would be Bloomdido.

Jeff