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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Concerned Women for America -address and intro
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:35:00 GMT
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Carol and Renee:

The brochure that I have from CWA has this story as an explanation of 
its genesis:

In 1979, Beverly LaHaye watched a televised interview with Betty 
Friedan, founder of the National Organization for Women. Realizing 
that Betty claimed to speak for the women of America. Mrs. LaHaye was 
stirred to action. She knew the feminists' anti-God, anti-family 
rhetoric didn't represent her interests, and she didn't believe it 
represented the interests of the vast majority of women.

Beverly LaHaye resolved then to heed the command of Ephesians 5:11, 
"And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but 
instead even expose them..." At her suggestion, nine women met to 
discuss the possibilities of actively exposing the Equal Rights 
Amendment. This small group held more than 60 home meetings and then 
attempted a pro-American rally. To their surprise, the rally was a 
tremendous success with some 1,200 concerned citizens in attendance.

Within a few short months, Concerned Women for America was founded to 
protect the family through prayer and action. The organization was 
headquartered for the first six years in San Diego, California.

In January 1985, CWA moved its headquarters to Washington DC, in order 
to have a greater impact preserving, protecting, and promoting 
traditional and Judeo-Christian values.

Nurtured by families determined to effect change in America, Concerned 
Women for America has become one of the largest women's organizations 
in the nation with chapters in all 50 states.

CWA coordinates education, legal defense, legislative programs and 
humanitarian relief programs.

CWA tracks legislation and represents membership concerns to Congress 
and state legislatures.

For an information packet write to:

Beverly LaHaye
Concerned Women for America
PO Box 65453
Washington, DC
	20035-5453


 en agape,
 Bob 
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From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 8/26
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"He is the blessed and only Ruler.  He is the King of all kings and the Lord of
all lords.  God is the only One who never dies.  He lives in light so bright
that men cannot go near it.  No one has ever seen God, or can see him" (1
Timothy 6:15).

"No man has ever seen God" (John 1:18).

"In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord.  He was sitting on a very
high throne.  His long robe filled the Temple.  Burning heavenly creatures
stood above him.  Each creature has six wings.  They used two wings to cover
their faces ..." (Isaiah 6:1,2).

"Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him" (John
12:41).

"No one has seen God, but Jesus is exactly like him ... All things were made
through Christ and for Christ.  Christ was there before anything was made.  And
all things continue because of him" (Colossians 1:15-17).

"Christ himself was like God in everything.  He was equal with God ... God
wants every knee to bow to Jesus -- everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the
earth.  Everyone will say, "Jesus Christ is Lord" and bring glory to God the
Father" (Philippians 2:6-11).

"The Son reflects the glory of God.  He is an exact copy of God's nature"
(Hebrews 1:3).

"The Word was God" (John 1:1-1:18).

"Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is God's child ... Whoever has
the Son has life.  But the person who does not have the Son of God does not
have life" (1 John 5:1,12).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
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Subject:      Re: Homosexuality

In reply to Mark's and Bernice's recent postings,  I shall try to explain
why homosexuality is not of the same ilk as alcoholism.  I have no wish
to be little the difficulties of overcoming such a dependancy.  I am trying
to show why I draw the distinction between alcoholism and being gay.

Substance dependancy (alcoholism) can be controlled so that the "survivor"
will fit into society with small limitations (can't drink so that the
social pattern need to be adapted.)

Being gay is not a dependancy on homosexual sex.  It is more like being left
handed or having coloured skin.  Because of something in the intrinsic makeup
of a gay person, different reactions take place in relation to and in society.
Just because a person abstains from homosexual sex, these underlying reactions
don't change.  As our society depends on the subliminal "straight" reactions
for its social protocols and structures, a gay person in a straight society
is like being the only "quark speaking" person in England.  You pick up a
certain amount of understanding of what the people about you are saying but
the larger portion is lost to you.  You are a fish out of water.

Being gay does include a certain sexuality so I'll consider what was said
about that as well.

God calls certain people to celibacy.  By celibacy I am not talking about
sexual abstainance but about the setting aside of the possibility of the
type of relationship that may develop into a sexual one.  What we are
asking of gay people is that they do this.  Has anyone else seen the
psychological damage damage that can be done when people who are not called
to be celibate try to fulfil that role ?

Where does that leave the gay person who is not called to celibacy ?  If
they were "straight" we'd wish them every blessing and fulfilment in a loving
relationship.  Is this a double standard ?

The questions I have raised are real questions.  Has anyone any comments ?
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Memo,

E se o. Gracious thanks to you for your kind answer. ( E se o is Yoruba,
W. African...a truly beautiful and musical language )

A dupe !  ( Similar to Alleluia: " Profuse praise to the Most High God! for
                                   His mercies, kindnesses, greatness, etc...)

O dabo

WKJ
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From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Dan read this ... Jesse

To all on the net ;

Sorry ... my post was meant for Dan Graham.
Please excuse the generic use of the name, "Dan."




Jesse Carnes
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From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      "The Seed" by Wiley

The author of BC, and I think he helps with another comic
strip, is Christian.  I can't recall his name at the moment,
but his comics are worth reading!  I have heard his testimony
on some radio program.

Carol Nemec
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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In article <92244.210348QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>, QAA@psuvm.psu.edu (Tim Bieling) writes...

[...]

>No - one side has understood that there is a broader definition
>of morality, the other side has a narrow definition which is based
>on ancient social code, and is unwilling to budge from that position.
> 
>>There is an absolute morality.  One side claims to know it, the other
>>claims to know that there is no such thing.
> 
>Bullshit! (I AM sorry - but a statement like the above is ridiculous)
>Morality is and can be flexible, but to assume that "the other side"
>as no sense of morals is patently false.

[...]

	Tim is arguing over two different definitions of "moral." One 
definition is that morality is based on an unmoving standard of what 
is right and what is wrong. The other definition is that morality is 
not based on a standard, but is flexible as to what constitutes right 
and wrong.

	Tim is therefore arguing between absolute morality and 
subjective morality.

	I'm not sure that subjective morality exists.

	Morals consist of following a standard of right behavior. With 
a subjective morality, there is no standard. Instead of a guide of 
right and wrong we have a vacillating yardstick that changes with whim 
and caprice. We have a spirit-level that shows true no matter how far 
it is tipped one way or they other. By doing this we are taking 
"morality" outside of the realm of a value judgement. Our morality 
then is not based on a standard but it is based on what we desire it 
to be. We have lost value judgement and we have lost standards. By 
using a subjective morality we are in fact amoral. And that is where 
the real argument is. Between absolute morality and amorality.

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Robert Weiss
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:45:57 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayers for Sarah
              27 Aug 1992 12:17:00 +1000 from <DIEFENBAK@TOPAZ.UCQ.EDU.AU>

Ken:

Monday will be here sooner than you know.  In the meantime, the Lord
wants to talk to you.

I am praying for Kyle, and for you.  (and for Baby Sarah).

But don't forget to listen for the Lord and rest in His peace,
while you lay your burdens before Him.

He knows what He's doing.

Love INC,
         ---Kerry
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From:         Jesse Irwin Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Has Jesus Returned??

Dear All ;

Now, for a treatment of Matthew 24.

First, in the historical context there are 4 people asking Jesus about the
following :

1) The destruction of the post-exilic Temple.

2) The sign of Jesus' Second Parousia.

3) The end of the Age (aeon, Greek. ; NOT Kosmos <world>).

The query is actually compounded into one, and Jesus answers each facet in
turn.

Generally, Jesus tells the disciples the things THEY are notto be alarmed
about (v. 4-14) ... seemingly cataclismic events which will take place and
THEY shall see, but should not be alarmed.

In v. 15, Christ gets down to things that THEY ought to take special heed to
as regarding the coming DAY.  Jesus makes reference to Daniel and the
indicators cited there in that book.

Remember, Jesus is telling THEM the things they ought NOT be concerned and
the things they OUGHT to be concerned with.
In verse 25, Christ makes His warning to THEM emphatic : "See I have told
you ahead of time."
Remember Jesus is speaking in historical context to 4 disciples asking a
question about these things and Jesus tells THEM what THEY ought to be doing
in order to be safe from the wrath aspect that was coming upon the nation
of Israel and its apostates and reprobates.

(I will continue on another installment).



Jesse Carnes
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From:         Vernon Galloway <gallowav@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Christian Youth

In Message Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:05:14 CDT,
  Yvette Traylor <YST1%DCCCDBIT.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> writes:

, but I loved
>> doing carwashes, when we were raising money for camp
>>
>The youth that go to camp range in ages from 12 - 17.
>We have done carwashes and bake sales, T-shirts, family night, chruch
>buttons, Stay  at Home Teas. Do you know of any exciting Fund raises
>that would get,'I'm Tired or Car Wash and Bake sales' Youth and
>parents, interested and involved.
>
 Yvette, When my daughter was about that age, a group she was in did a
twist on the usual car wash.  They went to the local airport and washed
airplanes!  It's something different that may arouse some interest.

Vernon


Vernon Galloway
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MicroComputer Technician
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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: all of the above
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:39:22 GMT
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Joe,

I believe the Bible is complete too.  But I also think there is a Living
Book, and you are to be one of the pages.  Write a beautiful testimony of
your life with Christ on your page...

I think the early Church decided what was real and what was fake, the same
way we do now - by faith.  Sometimes it is not always so clear, and so like
Peter we have to get out of our little boat and walk on water...and yes,
sometimes we start to sink too... but guess Who comes and gets us?!

Someone, a wise man, once said that two "contradictory" truths, on the level
of "profound truth" (O boy, here goes...) may not be in contradiction at all.
Another wise man, or arch-heretic depending on where you're coming from, said,
"Love God and do what you will" (Augustine).

One prophet so called by holy Scripture, was told to marry a shady lady.
The Scriptures he had would have told him to stone her.

Love God and follow His voice.  We will all be judged for our obedience to
His words for us.
                                      Peace, zane.
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Dan, interesting little story.  What was the reaction of the Baptist minister
to your answer?
                     Peace, zane
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Subject:      Re: Matthew 24

Whre did Jesus said that 'It was the fulfillment of what was prophesied by
Daniel' ?

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:15:42 CDT
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Their Lady of Guacamole

No little girl, no pilgrims coming to see a cactus shirt, none of this.

Why all this superstitious bunk?

Tom Brewer
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:45:08 CDT
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Jehovah's Witnesses....

 Uh, Doug....
 You asked for more info about Jehovah's witnesses...
 Here's an interesting tidbit for you...
 My Decipleship Training class recently did a study on the different
 "cults" and "religions" of the world.
 Jehovah's Witness was one of the groups we studied.
 These people actually believe that THE TRINITY was
 SATAN'S idea!
 I DON'T *THINK* SO...
 Nada chance....
 (*"G" dons asbestos undies for the flames that might just
 come her way*)....
 God Bless you!
 Theresa / "G"

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Subject:      Re: Homosexuality

For those of you claiming scripture states that homosexuality is
sinful full stop, perhaps I should explain why I don't see any of
the arguements presented as irrefutable proof of that.  (as a
supliment to my last post.)

It is all about interpreting the Bible in context and the events
described in the historial perspective.

Jesse puts it better than I do.  (Jesse, forgive this quote out of context.)

From:        Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@EARN.LSUVM>
>No matter how you cut it, the Word of God was written FIRSTLY to those
>who initially received it ... we can also profit from it, but not always like
>they did, and we are, as it were, reading someone else' mail.


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From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Bible and Homophobia

In a message of Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:38:14 GMT
Received on Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:19 N
john russell <jrussell@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU> wrote:

>Since you obviously have God's e-mail address for direct communication
>to Him, would you mind passing it along to the rest of us?

Yeah, mon! But it's not e-mail. It's called prayer. I thought you
knew... ;-) (no pun intended.)

>I would
>hate to think that your assumptions about God's will are based on your
>human and imperfect interpretations of the version of the Bible you
>happen to own.

If we want to make any statements at all about God's will - everyone who
cares to do His will has to - we have to base this on some sources. If
you don't like the Bible as your (my) foundation, what would you prefer?
Personal revelation? (see above...) I think that basing our decisions on
the Bible is the most objective choice we can take.

Another clarification. I took it for granted that unless explicitly
stated each statement is the authors personal opinion. So I didn't begin
every sentence that I wrote with "I think, but this is only my personal
opinion,...". No one (maybe except the Pope or the ecumenical councils)
can claim that what he/she says about God is the absolute truth.

Wolfgang <><
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Matt. 24...

 Tellya what, gang... What's the most important verse of
 Matt. 24... Maybe we could shed some light on that statement
 by Jesus... I mean, he did say, "Watch therefore, for ye
 know not what hour your Lord doth come"... (KJV)
 Basically, he gave us a warning:
 We need to keep lookin' for his return, and be busy doin'
 what we can to encourage each other, and try to win the lost
 to Christ.
 (btw... "watch therefore comes from v. 42...)
 HE also told us in v. 35 that "Heaven and Earth will pass
 away, but MY WORDS  shall *NOT* pass away"...
 Figure He should know what he's talkin' about, right...
 After all, he IS Jesus...
 God Bless...
 Theresa
 ("G"/ "G Force")
 PS... Carol, How'd I do?
       :)

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Robert,

    Thanks for your post.  Yes, I realize that they have a gross misunderstandi
ng of the doctrine of the Trinity.  That is why I try to stay off the subject.
I say "God" and they say "which one?" and I say "There is only One God!"  And
they say "then why aren't you Muslim?"
    Thanks for the address.  I'll try to get ahold of them.

                                                 Peace, zane.
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From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Their Lady of Cold Springs

First, it's been a week since I've checked the list mail. I'm still catching
up on the reading I missed because of Andrew. I'm thankful for God's goodness
to us here. We were spared much.
Some of you might have sent private email and my failure to respond is because
we were temporarily off from work because of Andrew. I hope to catch up soon.

Second, I heard on National People's Radio (NPR) this morning that the people
in Cold Springs, KY saw an apparition. This time it was both what they imagined
to be Mary and Jesus. I have spent time in Cold Springs with relatives, so
this report was of interest to me. Evidently, someone knew ahead of time that
the "spirits" were coming. They had the National Guard, city and state police
on hand for security. The local Catholic Church (sic) piped their "prayer"
service outside to the thousands in the parking lot.

"They have Moses and the prophets...."

Tom Brewer
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From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Political speeches

I have noticed this with more than just political things
and more than just journalists.  Bookwriters and more attribute
things to some people, using direct quotes, which are wrong.

Who knows.  Maybe people should do more research before they
quote.  At Rhodes, that would be an Honor Code violation and
we could get expelled.

Jason