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From: USR2879A@CBOS.UC.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Mail error.... Repost
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:04:00 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
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Please reply if you own or have owned a Whelen Responder II mini lightbar.

I have the opportunity to purchase one for $95 regular price for everyone every
day here in Cincinnati.

Let me know if you want the dealer's address.
Michael P. Rolfes  OVR Unit #43, usr2879a@cbos.uc.edu
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From: James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: amber / green lights
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:51:00 -0800

SS>      just remembered, dash lights are illegal to use except for an
 SS> unmarked PD car.
 
       If a out of state fire fighter came into Pa. with a blue light
on
       the dash (being legal in their own state), could they legally
use
       it if they came upon an accident scene?
       Any information would be helpfull, I'm in Chester County a lot.
 
 ---
    SMRead 3.0  #?    
 
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From: Chuck.Sanders@f16.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Sanders)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: PHOOGRAPERS ON SCENE.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:00:52 -0800

   I had no problem with the topic but some messages senders were
getting into the FLAME catagory.   Let us move on to another topic, you
suggest one or I will come up with one.
   Are you teaching at Winter Fire School in Columbia?  If so I will be
there may be we can get together over coffee.

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From: Bob.Hagerty@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Hagerty)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: FIRE DEPT. LISTS
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:26:00 -0800

Hi Todd  the lists in question are Philadelphia fd F.D.N.Y.
 I have freq. and station loc. 
 later
 Via SPITFIRE  - Alpha Version 3.3

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From: Warren.Chou@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Chou)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Pager question..
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:20:00 -0800

-> My campus EMS group here at the Universtiy of Rochester is
interested
-> in getting Motorola Minitor II pagers.  Problem: Some of the
professo
-> might not like the distraction of the tones going off in class. 
Solu
-> A pager like the Minitor II, but includes a vibrate option.  Is
there
-> one on the market, or are the professors going to have to suck up
and
-> deal?!?
I'd say tell the professors to just suck up! :)  Another option might
be to put in an ear plug.  That way the beep would be muffled and you'd
still be able to hear the call without bothering anyone.
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From: Warren.Chou@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Chou)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Dormitory fires
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:22:00 -0800

Not being a firefighter, I may be missing the obvious, but is there any
particular reason why there aren't Ub
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From: Chuck.Sanders@f16.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Sanders)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Springs Fire History
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 10:38:56 -0800

    The price from the author is $22.00, local bookstores have it for
$35.00.  If you get if from the author he will autograph it for you. 
The price from the author doesnot include shipping.

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From: Chuck.Spafford@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Spafford)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: paediatric accidents
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:13:00 -0800

  | The disease of "Trauma" is responsible for
  | more years of potential life lost than any
  | other disease, yet it's also the most
  | preventable, does that make any sense??

I wish I could fit this in a Tagline!

... Paramedics Save Lives...EMT's Save Paramedics.
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From: Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Police News?
Date: Sun,  3 Jan 93 15:07:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

If you are interested in police topics give A.L.E.R.T. on GEnie a looksee.
I think its great (of course I'm the chief sysop so I'm naturally a
supporter). If you get on GEnie its at page 255 and we have a lot of
traffic from Law Enforcement, as well as a public and private area for 
Fire Fighter and Private investigators. Several EMTs live there too. It's
part of the BASIC* service so its included in the $4.95 a month all you 
can eat service. (By the way, prime time is now down to $12.95, still rich
for most of us, but down from what it was.)
 
Dave Flory
ALERTsys*Cop
 
GEnie: D.FLORY
From: George.Vaisey@f330.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Got ONE!!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:27:00 -0800

Paul,
        (MONDAY).  I sent them today so they SHOULD be there Wensday
(sent firstclass).  Let me know when they get there.



                  George Vaisey

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: a different Motorola question
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:48:44 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

Recently, there have been stories in Atlanta about Motorola having been
investigated for improper sales practices (i.e., expressing lots fo
gratitude to people who were in positions to decide on purchasing Motorola
euqipmnet)

I'd be greatly interested in hearing from anyone in other cities of any
rumors or facts about similar incidents.

thanks 
<dburatein@mcimail.com>

----------

(I had previously posted this across a LISTSERV which reached -some-
sites, but not across the usenet.  so some of you may be seeing this as a
dupe)
From: Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: STAFFING
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:37:00 -0800

Stephen, thanks for your reply.. I will be able to use it.. Thanks
again.. Bruce 

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: scanner's and a legal
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 17:18:43 -0800

 -=> Quoting Bob Smallwood to Mhodosh1 <=-

 MH> Is it legal in NY to listen to portable phone (as in cordless, NOT


 BS> According to the FCC, it is legal to listen to any airwaves as long
as
 BS> the  signals are not scrambled.  BUT... it is ILLEGAL to divulge
or
According to the FCC, it is illegal also to listen to cellular, voice
paging,
on a RCC type system, and I believe IMTS.  Handheld portion of Cordless
phones were also included, but there are evidently loopholes in that
portion
of the ECPA.

... SUPPORT MY RIGHT TO ARM BEARS!!!
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: joelp@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joel.peshkin)
Subject: Re: Blue light blues
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:50:26 GMT

In article <725627564.AA28223@remote.halcyon.com> Gary.Goad@f15.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Goad) writes:
....
>   Blue lights on my car only tell the person that is in front of me
>that I'm a firefighter on the way to the hall in an emergency.
>Hopefully they will pull over and let me pass.
....

Gary,

     If the courtesy light only does not permit you to speed, why are
you going faster than the guy in front of you???  

     Before you decide that I just don't understand, I used to have
lights on my POV myself and responded directly to many scenes.  At 
differrent times, I have had both courtesy lights and emergency vehicle 
status.  There are way too many cars driving araound like maniacs
and they probably do as much damage as they do help.

-Joel Peshkin, EMT-P
From: Steven.Spohn@f404.n2607.z1.fidonet.org (Steven Spohn)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Paediatric accidents
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:23:00 -0800

   in incidents like these, you have to consider the possibility that
the real cause of the injury may be child abuse. In Pa. EMS personnel
who suspect child abuse are required by law to report it to the PD for
them to investigate further.


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From: annen@forsyth.wsnc.org
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: POV warning equipment
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:25:26 EST
Organization: Forsyth County, Winston-Salem  NC
Reply-To: annen@books.forsyth.wsnc.org
Keywords: POV lights horns siren
Expires: 31 Jan 93 16:26:56 EST

I have been out of EMS for a little over a year.  I am in the process of
joining a volunteer rescue squad, and need to order some personal equipment.
Does anybody have a toll free number for Galls or a similar company.  I would
like to order some catalogs.

Also, the squad which I was in before covered an area which was mostly small
towns/subrural.  For running POV calls in such an environment, a single roof/
dash light and wig-wag headlights were sufficient for clearing traffic most
of the time.  (I also added a small set of air horns from Western Auto, which
helped a lot).

The squad which I am joining runs in an urban area, and I am doubtful that
the current warning equipment on my car will be sufficient.  Comments and
suggestions would be appreciated.  I am thinking about adding a red and white
Dashlaser (or similiar system) to my dash, and getting a tail/backup light
flasher for rear coverage.  (Does anyone have experience with such a flasher?
I don't know anyone who has one, and I have only seen one in use once - on a
Va. state trooper cruiser).

Please reply directly to me via email.  If there is sufficiant interest, I will
summarize for the news group.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/comments.

John Annen, NCEMT-A
System Support Specialist
Forsyth County, NC MIS
Room 603, Hall of Justice
Winston - Salem, NC 27101
Internet: annen@books.forsyth.wsnc.org

(Currently Not Affiliated with any EMS organization.)

My views are not necessarily those of any organization with which I am
affiliated.
From: ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian J Gardner)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Private messages and flames
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:43:57 GMT
	<1993Jan2.115211.209@forsyth.wsnc.org>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

John posted some pretty good hints.  Thanks for the input.

So, let's hear it - Fido people, CAN you send personal email?  If not,
*please* (I am attempting to be polite in the hopes of convincing
people) use the format suggested.  Maybe there is another newsgroup that
you all can subscribe to to transmit your messages.

I have posted this to the entire group because I have seen more than one
person violate this (normally) accepted community standard.  Basically,
I was trying to save from sending multiple messages as well as convince
many people.  I do NOT want this place to degrade into a series of
personal messages back and forth between readers.

As for flames on this newsgroup - heh, believe me, this place has had
its share of flames and STILL keeps on going.  :)  There's been the
press war, the lights war, and numerous other ones.  Don't worry, people
here take a lickin and keep on tickin.

Let's try to clean this up, ok?  Thanks.

Ian
From: Bob.Eden@f900.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Eden)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Police News?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:04:02 -0800

Hello Dennis!

Monday December 28 1992 17:08, Dennis Wareham wrote to All:

 DW> From: Dennis.Wareham@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Dennis Wareham)

 DW> I've been lurking around this newsgroup for awhile now, looking for
some
 DW> law enforcement related postings, but the emergency services
topics
 DW> covered seem to be limited to fire and EMS. Nothing against these
services
 DW> (I'm a former EMT and F.F. II myself), but I'm looking for a source
of
 DW> L.E. or criminal justice postings too.  Any ideas or leads from
anyone?
 DW> Thanks for any assistance you can provide..

Hi Dennis, there is the Askacop and Askacop2 echoes, as well as
Policenet and the POLICE echoes.  Both the POLICE and policenet are
operated by police officers who are sysops and you must be an officer to
obtain access.  You could contact Nolan Shapiro in the Askacop
conferences regarding feeds, or Joseph Gaspard.  Hope that helps.

Bob

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From: Lou.Doucet@f1.n3638.z1.fidonet.org (Lou Doucet)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: mobile data terminals
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:35:00 -0800

CH>The Boston Fire Department is in the process of looking at MDT's and
a
CH>CAD system.

CH> 1. What departments in the newsgroup ae using them?
CH> 2. How are your MDT's best being utilized?
CH> 3. What can you do with them?
CH> 4. What shouldn't you do with them?
CH> 5. How are you using the CAD system?

The City of Margate, Florida is in the process of setting up a CAD
(Computer Aided Dispatch) and Fire Reports System. I have been assigned
to the project for about a year now and we are planning to go live with
the system the end of January or begining of February. Although our
system is set up to use MDT's we don't presently have them in
operation.
It is a long process into building up the data base for the city. In a
City like Boston it would require thousands of hours to enter the data
and then physically verify that it is correct. There would be a lot
of problems with numbering as I remember the confussing numbering of
building when I lived in the Back Bay area years ago. The system is
great for satistics. You can get any information with the touch of key
from the information you have entered about your calls. When an alarm
is
dispatched the calls can be sent to the Fire Stations, Engines or
Rescues via hard copy. I don't know a lot about the use of MDT's at
this
point as we are planning to impliment them later into our system.


 * OLX 2.1 * TVRO your freedom of choice.


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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Scanner's and a Legal question.....
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:05:00 -0800

Hello John!

Monday December 14 1992 23:50, John Linko wrote to Mhodosh1:

 JL> (baby monitors pick up a lot more than just the baby!)

Like...the process of MAKING the baby??? >:-)

Rick

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From: waterhou@gdc.com (Richard Waterhouse)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: General chit-chat
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:09:17 GMT

In CT., Emergency personnel in thier private vehicles have NO
priviledges over the other cars on the road. Lights or no lights.

In my town, a past Chief had a long time feud with the local
resident state trooper. Needless to say the trooper made our lives
miserable. When a tone went in he would sit on the main route to the
firehouse and wait for a fireman responding directly to the fire
house. He would then pull out behind them and follow them right to
the firehouse parking lot. He would later announce he will ticket
the person if he was caught speeding again(makes you wish it was
his house).

The trooper exercised his rights and made his point. Most look the
other way unless you screw up.

He went as far as to hassle us for parking on the wrong side of the
road at scenes.

-- 

=====================================

Richard Waterhouse / waterhouse@gdc.com
From: David.Rye@f10.n3649.z1.fidonet.org (David Rye)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Pager question..
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:11:00 -0800

 >-> My campus EMS group here at the Universtiy of Rochester is
interested
 >-> in getting Motorola Minitor II pagers.  Problem: Some of the
professo
 >-> might not like the distraction of the tones going off in class. 
Solu
 >-> A pager like the Minitor II, but includes a vibrate option.  Is
there
 >-> one on the market, or are the professors going to have to suck up
and
 >-> deal?!?
 > I'd say tell the professors to just suck up! :)  Another option
 > might
 > be to put in an ear plug.  That way the beep would be muffled
 > and you'd
 > still be able to hear the call without bothering anyone.
    Of course you'd look like someone trying to look like a federal
agent if you add an ear phone.  ;)  But really, as long as you keep the
Minitor II off of monitor and on alert no tones would come out until you
get paged out yourself (meaning your station, whatever...).

                                               Dave

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From: Rick.Edwards@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Edwards)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Howdy!
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:27:00 -0800

Hello ALL!

The Ground Zero BBS in Seal Beach, CA, has joined this conference!
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From: Stephen.Stone@f15.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Stone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: AUGMENTED EVACUATE NO
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:14:11 -0800

DP>We in Prince Georges County Maryland, also give a radio signal, kinda
of a
DP>up and down siren noise, that is put over the air via the dispatcher,
some

Thanx, Don, for the reply. We may have to look at something like this
to
augment our current system.  Thanx again.
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From: John.Linko@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Linko)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Scanner's and a Legal question.....
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:01:28 -0800

that and all kinds of other wonderful things...use your imagination! jl


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From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Ansi Screens
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 13:50:00 -0800

On <30 Dec, 07:50>, Bob Hill wrote to All :

BH>   I am trying to locate ANSI screens relating to the fire service,
any
BH> help would be greatly appreciated.
BH>
BH> Thanks,
BH>         Bob
Hi Bob:
I have two screen for you ,if your interested?
E1.ANS
STAR.ANS
Please FREQ Whistle.arj for other files you maybe looking for..
Whistle Stop 1-(413)448-6292
FiDo Net 1:321/233
24/24

Later

Paul..  
 
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From: Daniel.Aikey@f15.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Aikey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Police dept.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:29:11 -0800

    Does anyone know of any Police Departments in Pennsylvania hiring?
Any information would be appreciated.

                                       Thanks,
                                                 Dan
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From: William.Moore@f108.n267.z1.fidonet.org (William Moore)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Lesson Plans?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:53:13 -0800

        Does anyone know of some software to use to develop training
lesson plans? Freeware, Shareware, Commercial, anything would be
helpful. Thanks in advance!

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From: Ed.McCormick@f150.n2600.z1.fidonet.org (Ed McCormick)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: nj firefighters bbs
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:58:27 -0800

 -=> Quoting William J. Vital to Ed Mccormick <=-

 WJV> Could a way be found to ask the SYSOP contact me?  Just a
 WJV> an exchange of information....I agree they had a lot of
 WJV> information on the system.
 WJV> I'm not sure. The BBS is run by one of the departments in the
Fire
 WJV> Division.  Probable no-one even pays attention to the BBS more
than
 WJV> once a month. I'll see if I can get a contact. 

        Okay, thanks..Would Ken Anderson be a choice?  If so, I can
        follow up from this end...



 
... ...DELFIRE BBS*Supporting One Fire & Emergency Services Net*
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From: David.Morse@f1000.n106.z1.fidonet.org (David Morse)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hello
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:59:58 -0800

Just wanted to drop a line or two to say hello from the Fire Dept. of
Texas
City, Texas!  I just read all the letters on this board and it was quite
interesting. Well anyway, I want to wish everyone, but especially all
the firefighters, medical, and police out there a HAPPY NEW YEAR, and a
hopefully safe one! We're all in this together!

 * Origin: Hmmm...kinda' warm in here... (1:106/1000)
From: Lazlo.Toth@f15.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Lazlo Toth)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: America's funniest vid
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:47:11 -0800

WM>LT> As a point of clarification, one of the members wrote a letter to
the
  >LT> editor shortly after the article appeared... He indicated that
the rig
  >LT> was "out of service" prior to their use.  Also the NAVAC
constitution,
  >LT> he said, does not prohibit members from making money from their
  >LT> association with NAVAC but rather enjoins them from personal
gains in
  >LT> the =performance= of their duties.  Since the video was not their
duty,
  >LT> per se, they were (are) not prohibited from accepting the prize
money.

WM>I stand (sit) corrected, but I think NAVAC retains liability for all
  >their vehicles rergardless of 'Service' status.

I suspect that you are right... The question that comes to my mind is
WHY was it out of service???  Certainly not because it couldn't
operate.
Perhaps a lack of crew??? That being the case (and it's just a guess),
they certainly had enough crew for the video!
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: Paediatric accidents
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:42:47 GMT


I think people ought to be charged with "criminal stupidity" if
they let their toddlers pull themselves up on the front of the
TV. Anyone who has ever picked up any TV knows that the thing
is *very* front-heavy. 
A similar scenario took place not too far from here this fall.
Migrant workers were picking apples in an orchard when a 2 - yr.
old found a truck tire that was leaning against a building. He
managed to pull it over on himself. He died. Where was mom? 
She was picking apples. So was dad. 
I don't recall what, if any, charges were made. I think the death
was ruled `accidental.' 

The more you deal with people, the more you like animals.
-- 
        Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
"Whattaya mean I'll be cut off in 5 minutes? I just got started!"