From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:04:51 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <JIME.92Apr10103806@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# In article <1992Apr10.082142.7808@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:

# >	   Yes, why don't they see?  Why don't they see that the Palestinians
# >   who they feel sorry for support a terrorist group that has killed Americans
# >   and taken them hostage?  Why don't they see the Palestinians send out 
# >   children to fight the inifada, and that's why they get killed?  Why don't
# >   they see that Israel acquired her land from the Arabs the same why America
# >   acquired land from the Indians?  Why don't they see that Jerusalem has only
# >   been free to people of all religions  under Israeli rule?  
# >	   Let me guess...it's the Jewish owned media that is responsible.

# I think that most Americans do know that the PLO is a terrorist group
# that has killed Americans.  (I haven't seen an opinion poll on the
# subject, though.)
 
	I believe most Americans whose memory lasts longer than a 30
second news clip may know this.  Unfortunately, the percentage of
Americans that fit this set is rather small I am afraid.

# As for the Palestinians sending their children out to fight the
# intifada, and thus being solely responsible for their deaths, that is
# a very one-sided view of the conflict.  You are spouting propaganda
# there.

	It may be propaganda, it may even be one sided, but it is the
truth an it goes a long way in explaining a major portion of the
intifada.  This view would have to play a strong part of any
description that was not propaganda and was not one sided also.

# Israel did _not_ acquire its land in the same way that that America
# acquired its land.  About 5% of the Israeli partition of the
# Palestinian Mandate had been legally bought by Zionists.

	This figure is extremely misleading if not outright false.  If you
take the amount of land bought as a percentage of the amount of land
that was private (land that could be sold), it is much, much higher.
As it is I think your 5% figure should be 7% anyway (but this is
irelevent).

# The other
# 95% was ceded to the nascent Israel by the UN and the UK, partly
# because it had always been promised to the Zionists, partly because
# the UN wanted to find its own solution to the Jewish Question, and

# partly because the Zionist terrorists were killing and murdering
# Arabs, Brits, and a UN mediator.

	Not only was this not a reason, but for the most part it falls
flat on its face as a lie/untruth.

# The rest of Israel (about half) has
# been acquired by conquest (in wars mostly started by the Arabs).

	For this statement to be correct, you must agree then that those
lands are part of Israel.  At any rate, you seem to ignore that Israel
ceded the Sinai back to Egypt (and not for the first time I would like
to state).  Do you know what percentage of Israel was contained in the
Sinai?

# This
# is not at all similar to the US, where the initial revolution was
# fought as a war, not as a terrorist campaign,

	Funny, but I bet the Brits at the time thought it was a terrorist
campaign.  At any rate, this was a war, and the overwhelming majority
of the terrorism was (as it still is) commited by the Arabs against
the Jews.

# and where most of the
# land acquired since 1798 was purchased peacefully (Louisiana Purchase,
# Alaska, Gadsden Purchase) or joined voluntarily (Texas albeit after a
# Texan rebellion against Mexico, Hawaii).

# And in my admittedly insufficient reading, Jerusalem was free for
# worship to all faiths under British rule.

	Jerusalem may have been, but certain places outside of Jerusalem
were not.  At any rate, after Britain left, Jordan violated the truce,
expelled all Jews (who were not allowed to worship there until
Jerusalem was liberated) or killed them, and desecrated Jewish holy
sites.

# In fact, one of the early
# Arab-Jew riots in the Palestinian Mandate started because the Jews,
# who had been allowed to worship at the Wailing Wall (then owned by the
# Arabs) wanted to set up a partition there.  The Arabs resisted,
# understandably so, as setting up essentially a building on their land
# would be a step towards claiming ownership of the property.
 
	The way I heard it explained is that they rioted because the Jews
blew a Shofar (a ram's horn).  Either way, it is not a justification
for the massacre that occured.
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David Makowsky
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