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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 06:17:47 GMT
From:         "Kevin V. Carosso" <KVC@SUMMER.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject: RE: IBM DISOSS <---> UNIX - Message status problem
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> However,  when a message from IBM DISOSS is sent out,  there is a status
> code for this message set up. If accepted by the network,  this code is set
> to ACCEPTED.  When it is delivered to the intended mailbox,  the code is
> changed to COMPLETE.  IBM users can have in their set up that when this
> code appears,  the whole status of the message disappears.  In that way the
> only status codes shown are for undelivered messages.
>
> This is where we are stuck at the moment.  Messages from IBM DISOSS are
> delivered to our UNIX users but the status of the message on DISOSS does
> not go to COMPLETE.  We can get a message delivery report back to the
> DISOSS sender, though this report comes from MAILER-DAEMON.  This only works
> if we make a DDS entry for MAILER-DAEMON - a network of UNIX systems would
> therefore require a DDS entry for the MAILER-DAEMON on each machine.
>
>
> What we would like is either one of the following two solutions to the
> problem :-
>
> 1.  that when the message arrives at the intended recipient,  the IBM
>     sender has the status for that message changed to 'completed'.

Unfortunately, there is no way for PMDF to do this at the moment.  Since there
is currently no standard form for delivery notifications in the RFC-822 world,
there is no way for PMDF-MR to turn the notification from the MAILER-DAEMON back
into something meaningful to Message Router, MR/S, or DISOSS.  The information
has usually not been included in what MAILER-DAEMON generated and is
absolutely not in a standardized form such that we can find the information.


> 2.  that when the message arrives at PMDF or even PMDF-MR,  the status of
>     the message on the IBM side goes to 'complete'.  Then if the message fails

>     to get through,  a non-delivery message will be sent.

This may be possible to arrange.  The Message Router mailbox for PMDF is
normally set /SUPPRESS_DELIVERY_REPORT.  If you change that to
/NOSUPPRESS_DELIVERY_REPORT then Message Router itself will generate a
delivery report back to MR/S and DISOSS at the time PMDF-MR successfully
picks up the message.  Hopefully that delivery report will be sufficient
for DISOSS to mark the message as "completed".  Of course since PMDF-MR
won't remove the delivery request, the DISOSS user will still get a message
back from MAILER-DAEMON indicating success or failure at the final delivery.

The Internet world is looking into standardized notifications.  When that
happens PMDF-MR will implement that standard so that your problem will not
be a problem (at least when the remote UNIX machine also adopts the standard).

        /Kevin Carosso
         Innosoft
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:00:26 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: PMDF and UCX V2.0
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> We are currently running PMDF V4.0 with UCX V1.3. I am in the process of
> evaluating UCX V2.0 on an isolated system and, so far, I like what I
> see. I would like to know if there is anything special we need to do in terms
   of
> PMDF to upgrade to UCX V2.0. Since UCX now has SMTP incroporated into it, do w
   e
> have to turn that off and let PMDF continue things as it does?

This is the best approach. You just disable the SMTP server that ships with
UCX and use PMDF server in the usual way. Several sites are doing this and
report that it works fine.

We are currently in the process of developing support for the inetd-style
mechanisms in UCX V2.0 and hope to provide support for it in the near future.
(We never really liked having our own process to do this.)

> I'd be interested
> in words of advice from anyone who has done this before. (or from the Innosoft
> folks, of course).

It is not ideal, but as we only recently were able to obtain the UCX V2.0
release it will take some time to make our server work with it in the new
fashion.

                                        Ned
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:51:49 GMT
From:         "Lenny Glassmann (902-0027)" <GLASSMANN@GS.COM>
Subject:      Bug in callable mail or PMDF
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

I seem to have stumbled across a bug in either VMSmail or PMDF.  I'm using the
callable mail interface to compose two different messages to two different
people simultaneously.  Here's my program (think of it as pseudo code, since I
haven't included my subroutines)

m;GLASSMANN@athena
GLASSMAN@FI
jung@fi

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From: "Lenny Glassmann (902-0027)" <GLASSMANN@athena>
Subject: Test 1, please ignore
To: GLASSMAN@FI, JUNG@athena
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:24:14 GMT
From:         "L. Thomas Skipper, MCP VAX Systems Manager" <SKIPPER@MEDCOLPA>
Subject:      Problem with valid??? address...
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Greetings!

Hope someone on the list can either answer this question or at least
point me in the right direction.  I received a message from one of
my users regarding a mail message that he received but was NOT able
to reply to it successfully.  I have include excerpts from the message
within this request.  Obviously, someone don't like the RETURN address.
I can see that it is a "mess" but am not familiar enough with mail
standards to know if it is legal or not.  Any help would be appreciated
with this.

**********************************************************
Excerpts from the message:
**********************************************************

From:   IN%"HOFFMAN@MEDCOLPA.BITNET" 27-SEP-1992 10:19:10.03
To:     IN%"skipper@MEDCOLPA.BITNET"
CC:
Subj:   help with an e-mail address

From:   IN%"VMMAIL@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU"  "Network Mailer" 24-SEP-1992 08:51:36.10
To:     IN%"HOFFMAN@MEDCOLPA.BITNET"
CC:
Subj:   mail delivery error

Batch SMTP transaction log follows:

220 PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU Columbia MAILER R2.09 ptf000 BSMTP service ready.
050 HELO MEDCOLPA.BITNET
250 PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU Hello MEDCOLPA.BITNET
050 TICK 0001
250 0001 ... that's the ticket.
050 MAIL FROM:<HOFFMAN@MEDCOLPA.BITNET>
250 <HOFFMAN@MEDCOLPA.BITNET>... sender OK.
050-RCPT TO:</PN=DALE.A.BEGLEY/DD.ID=SSW.DABEGLEY/PRMD=UPJOHN/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US
050 /@sp
553 Mailbox syntax error.
050 rint.com>
500 Invalid command
050 DATA
354 Start mail input.  End with <crlf>.<crlf>
250 Mail accepted for delivery.
050 QUIT
221 PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done.

Original message follows:

..


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
L. Thomas Skipper (Tom)                             M     M   CCCCCC  PPPPPPP
VAX Systems & Networking Manager                    MM   MM  C        P      P
Medical College of Pennsylvania                     M M M M  C        P      P
College Computer Center                             M  M  M  C        PPPPPPP
2900 Queen Lane                                     M     M  C        P
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19129                    M     M   CCCCCC  P

BITNET:  SKIPPER@MEDCOLPA  Internet: SKIPPER@SINGER.ASRI.EDU
PHONE:   (215)991-8180          -OR- SKIPPER%MEDCOLPA.BITNET@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:32:14 GMT
From:         "Lenny Glassmann (902-0027)" <GLASSMANN@GS.COM>
Subject:      Bug in callable mail or PMDF
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Let's try this again:
I seem to have stumbled across a bug in either VMSmail or PMDF.  I'm using the
callable mail interface to compose two different messages to two different
people simultaneously.  Here's my program (think of it as pseudo code, since I
haven't included my subroutines)

main ()
{
  long context1;
  long context2;

  sendmail_setup_c (&context1, "glassmann", "Test 1, please ignore");
  sendmail_setup_c (&context2, "jung", "Test 2, please ignore");
  sendmail_send (context1);
  sendmail_send (context2);
}

Both users have their mail forwarded to their accounts on the system "fi" using
PMDF.  The problem is that the first message gets sent to both people, and
the second message disappears into hyperspace.  If I just send to people who
read their mail on the VAX (no PMDF involved) it works fine.  Included below
is the message from the pmdf queue, waiting to get delivered.  Does anyone
have any insight into this?

m;GLASSMANN@athena
GLASSMAN@FI
jung@fi

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From: "Lenny Glassmann (902-0027)" <GLASSMANN@athena>
Subject: Test 1, please ignore
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:13:39 GMT
From:         "Daniel C. Newman" <DAN@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: PMDF 4.1 release notes
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> Could you send me the release notes for the following patches :
>         PMDF V4.1  -8,-9,-10,-11,-12

We do not compile per revision release notes.

Dan
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 05:39:51 GMT
From:         TKSLEN@UBVMS
Subject:      Still having performance problem with local channel.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

A couple of weeks ago I had asked the list about performance problems from
going from pmdf v4.0 to v4.1.  By reading the responses I've:

1) Installed bn_gateway and bn_master/open/shared.

   Maybe has helped a little.

2) I've moved from having two batch queues to using the process symbiont
   with 4 server queues.

   This has helped alot since I used to have hundreds of files waiting to
   be delivered in many different queues.

3) I've made the username PMDF the owner of QUEUE_CACHE.DAT.

   This seems to have helped.

4) I've made POST.COM run every hour which means that the queue cache will
   get rebuilt every three hours.

   This has helped the problem of files being left in the local and bit_gateway
   queues that should have been delivered.  That is, these files had no reason
   not to be delivered when they were originally placed in the queue.  All
   I would do is run @[EXE]MASTER L or BIT_GATEWAY by hand and everything would
   get delivered.  But, this problem still exists in a much smaller extent.

5) I now have the l channel using a batch queue on the fastest cluster machine
   (a 6520).  I did this because the local queue would grow very large, that
   is, 300-500 mail messages.  And local mail delivery would take approx.
   2-3 hours.  But now this is not working anymore.  The semester has gotten
   into full swing and today my local queue grew to 1000-1400 mail messages.
   Keep in mind that the 6520 is not cpu starved.  When I watch the batch
   job try to deliver the mail it get's the cpu when it needs it and it does
   alot of I/O.  In the past, when the queue got a little big I would set
   the job limit to 2 or 3.  But, that does not seem to help anymore.

  So, does anyone have any suggestions on what I could do to improve my local
  queue's performance?  And, why I still see some files get left behind (as I
  explained in #4)?

Thanks,
  Lenny Miceli
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 00:23:35 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: DELIVER to NEWMAIL folder
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> The problem with FOLDER seems to indicate that FOLDER is not installed with
> enough privileges to properly set the From: address. I cannot duplicate the
> problem here. But several bugs in FOLDER have been fixed recently, and so have
> a bunch of bugs in VMS MAIL that relate to privilege checking (this is in VMS
> V5.5-2), so there may well be an unrelated fix (in either PMDF or VMS) that
> has corrected this.

The problem was that FOLDER wasn't installed.  I'd apparently made an
editing error when editing pmdfimage.dat after the most recent installation.
My error.  Thanks for the pointer.

> Which (again) brings up what I consider to be a minor itch in the install
> process, the editing of pmdfimage.dat.  I always edit pmdfimage.dat to
> comment out the lines that are needed only for the old stand-alone DELIVER,
> and to uncomment the line related to FORWARD.

In the future we'll have a SITEIMAGE.DAT file for doing these things.

> Would it be possible for the
> install procedure to look at the old version of pmdfimage.dat and see which
> images were installed, and which weren't, and use that in generating the new
> pmdfimage.dat?

Nope. This is a very bad idea that's so fraught with potential pitfalls I won't
even consider it. It is hard enough for the install procedure to get some vague
idea of the current status of an image when it _knows_ what it is going to do
with it, let alone trying to figure out the status so it can be preserved in
the future. Image installation handling in VMS is just too quirky to automate
something like this.

                                        Ned
From: ICSRXP@ASUACAD.BITNET (Ron Page)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l
Subject: Adding header tags?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:08:32 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

I haven't found a way to do it, so I thought I'd ask before giving up.

Is there a way to add a header tag on mail coming from a channel
(e.g. MTCP_)?  More specifically, I would like to map an alias to a Usenet
newsgroup.  For example, if mail is sent to email.general@asu.edu
(running PMDF v4.1),  I would like it to be sent to our news machine
(helpdesk.inre.asu.edu) with a tag added "Newsgroup: asu.email.questions".

Thanks for your advice.
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From:         Dan@TOE.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:      no headers and stuck in queue
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

I've noticed a couple of things lately that I wonder if anyone knows what is
going on.

IN the first case, my INFOREP has been getting mail from the INFOREP discussion
list which occasionally has no headers connected to it.  Just the normal VMS
headers.  Anybody know under under what conditions this might occur?

In the second case, I have been seeing mail get stuck in various queues for no
apparent reason - specifically the L and BIT_GATEWAY channels.  MAIL is
installed with EXQUOTA so it isn't a quota problem. The log files are well below

the version limit.  Any ideas?

I recently upgraded to V4.1-6 but I know the first problem existed well before
the upgrade.  I am not sure of the second.

Anybody have any ideas before I turn on master debug on these channels.

Thanks and regards.

Dan

   Daniel A. Dinkin
   Network Services Manager                   BITNET: dan@towsonvx.bitnet
   IR Academic Computing                    Internet: dan@toe.towson.edu
   Towson State University                            dan@midget.towson.edu
   Towson, Maryland 21204                UMSA DECnet: toe::e7opdan
   (410)830-3320

     Any thoughts in this message are purely random and my employer had
           nothing to do with them... especially if I was right.
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From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: no headers and stuck in queue
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I have no idea what else could be delivering the mail. All I know is that
there are no paths in PMDF that would produce this result.

                                Ned
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 07:38:38 GMT
From:         Bob Tinkelman <bob@CAMB.COM>
Subject:      RE: DELIVER to NEWMAIL folder
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> > Which (again) brings up what I consider to be a minor itch in the install
> > process, the editing of pmdfimage.dat.  I always edit pmdfimage.dat to
> > comment out the lines that are needed only for the old stand-alone DELIVER,
> > and to uncomment the line related to FORWARD.
>
> In the future we'll have a SITEIMAGE.DAT file for doing these things.

If that means that I control which images get installed via a file that is
not blindly replaced during upgrades, that's just what I was asking for.

Thanks.
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From:         "Daniel C. Newman" <DAN@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: Bug in callable mail or PMDF
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

> I seem to have stumbled across a bug in either VMSmail or PMDF.  I'm using the
> callable mail interface to compose two different messages to two different
> people simultaneously.

What sort of bug?  What sort of error's are produced.  You'll have to be a lot
more descriptive if we're to provide any advice.

>  Here's my program (think of it as pseudo code, since I
> haven't included my subroutines)

We didn't receive anything resembling a program.  Merely the very acceptable
looking set of message headers below:

> m;GLASSMANN@athena
> GLASSMAN@FI
> jung@fi
>
> Received: from gs.com by gs.com (PMDF #2348 ) id <01GPBEES8AHC8ZDW2K@gs.com>;
>  Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:29:04 EDT
> Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Lenny Glassmann (902-0027)" <GLASSMANN@athena>
> Subject: Test 1, please ignore
> To: GLASSMAN@FI, JUNG@athena
> Message-id: <01GPBEES8K4I8ZDW2K@gs.com>
> Organization: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
> X-Envelope-to: GLASSMAN@FI, jung@fi
> X-VMS-To: glassmann
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Dan
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From:         Irv Cockriel Missouri University <EDRSR438@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Things to do in Minneapolis

Can someone on ASHE-L talk about things to do in Minneapolis
during our annual conference?  Conference is set for Oct 28 - Nov 1, 1992.

Perhaps neat places to eat, cultural activities during that time, etc.

Even details of best (cheapest) route from airport to Marriott City Center.

Irv Cockriel
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From:         "John O. Wong" <JOHNWONG@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Things to do in Minneapolis

Irv Cockriel,

Marriot City Center should have a limo service directly connected with the
airport.  There is no "cheaper" way to do it without costing you a considerable
amount of time.  You might consider renting a car (parking is complimentary at
City Center public lot for Marriot customers); but it does take a 20 minute
drive, and many one-way streets downtown.  There is only one way to enter the
parking lot, and it takes three trip changes to get to your room from the
parking lot itself.

Minneapolis is a gorgious town.  There is something for everybody.  How much
time and money do you have after ASHE?  What do you like best?


                                    -->  John Wong (608)263-3025
                                         johnwong@wiscmacc.bitnet
                                         johnwong@macc.wisc.edu
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From:         Gary Davis <davis@UNBSJ.CA>
Subject:      publisher needed for small business simulator

Can anyone help me identify a publisher who might be interested in an
ms-dos based small business simulator that I have developed?  If so,
please contact me (and not necessarily the entire list above!) at
davis@unbsj.ca in the INTERNET.  Thanks.
 -- Gary Davis,
Associate Professor, Faculty of Business, University of New Brunswick in Saint
John, P.O. Box 5050, Saint John, N.B., Canada, E2L 4L5.
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From:         ADSF000 <ADSF@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Things to do in Minneapolis

Check on Happenings at the Guthrie Theatre, and right across from it
is the Sculptured Gardens..also downtown is a very famous pasta
restuarant, that I can't remember the name of...beautiful town and
you will have no difficulty finding things to do..also, the biggest
and newest mall just opened in Mpls.  Good luck.  Suann


> Can someone on ASHE-L talk about things to do in Minneapolis
> during our annual conference?  Conference is set for Oct 28 - Nov 1, 1992.
>
> Perhaps neat places to eat, cultural activities during that time, etc.
>
> Even details of best (cheapest) route from airport to Marriott City Center.
>
> Irv Cockriel
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