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From: dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott)
Subject: Hunting from boats
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:04:53 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct8.110219.9228@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.094352.2825@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>  dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott) writes:
>>                                   It is illegal to hunt waterfowl
>>>from a moving boat here in Colorado, but the regs say nothing about
>>stalking.
> 
> 
>Are you sure that's a *moving* boat, or one that is now under some
>sort of mechaninical power.  A moving boat would also exclude those
>small boats sure as a canoe being pushed by a paddle (which is
>definately legal in Texas).  But I agree that it's alot more sporting
>to try to sneak up on them, than wait in a blind (note:  i'm not
>condemming blinds - heck, that's what I use 90% of the time).
>The guys that used the fake horse just seemed pretty darn smart to
>me.  :-)

	You're right. I re-read the regs and I quote....
"You may hunt from vessels, except a sinkbox, with motors or sails
attached when the motor has been shut off and/or the sails furled, and
its motion from them has ceased.
You may hunt from vessels, excluding a sinkbox, drifting or propelled
by hand. Motorized vessels may be used as hunting aids only to pick up
dead or injured birds or to put out or retrieve decoys."

so it seems like a canoe *could* be moving and still be legal to hunt
from. CAUTION... I'm not a lawyer (praise God) so this is only my 
interpretation of the basic counter-top available reg/hunting season
publication.

	Since I don't own a boat, I do all my hunting from 'blinds'.
My most memorable hunt was when I was leaning against an old farm
truck, snow on the ground, with a white sheet over me like a poncho. I
had a hawk land on the roof of the truck about 8 feet from me. I heard
the screech of his talons on the steel, and the squeak of the mouse
that it had just caught!  I've been a firm believer of that type of
camo ever since.


					Dan Scott
					Solbourne Computer, Inc.

Disclaimer: I'm not in a position to know Solbournes opinions,...yet.



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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Cleaning grouse
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:44:45 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am heading to northern Wisconsin this weekend to do some grouse
hunting and some more deer scouting.  I have some questions.  I am
pretty confident in my scouting abilities (I'd welcome any
suggestions, though) but I don't remember how to clean birds.

I do know one trick though.  Put your feet in the bird's "arm pits",
hold on to the bird's feet with your hands, and slowly but firmly pull
up.  The bird will be miraculously skinned and defeathered.  You wind
up holding a nice chunk of breast meat with feet.  I know how to get
the feet off, but how do I clean out the chest cavity?  Do I just cut
open the belly and remove the guts like field dressing a deer or is
there more to it than that?

Any advice would be appreciated.  I also don't know much about finding
grouse so any hunting tips would also be appreciated.  I had planned
on just walking old logging roads and waiting for them to fly.  

I shot a bit at the range with my shotgun this weekend.  I hadn't shot
it in about 10 years and was surprised how easy and accurate it was to
shoot.

Which brings up another question.  The shotgun is an old Mossburg 16
gauge, bolt action.  I bought 2 3/4 inch #6 shot for it.  But, it has
an adjustable choke.  What should I set the choke to?  I was thinking
full or modified but am open to suggestions.

thanks,
tim
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	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)



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From: jsemrad@ems.cdc.com (Joe Semrad)
Subject: Mn grouse hunting trip report
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:05:13 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Trip Report: Ruffed Grouse hunting

When: Last weekend

Where: Public land in north central Minnesota in the vicinity of Mille Lacs


Well folks, the reports that the grouse numbers are way down are not
wrong.  I spent 8-10 hours busting the brush for three flushes, and
they all came in the last 90 minutes before sunset.  The only good
thing was other people must have heard about it and decided to go duck
hunting instead (Saturday was Mn's duck opener) because there were
fewer hunters than normal for public state forest land.

The conditions were great, temperature in the high 60's or low 70's
(maybe even a bit too warm for my tastes).  The majority of the leaves
were down and those that remained were brilliantly colored.  There was
a good mixture of aspen of various ages, pine, and hardwoods in the
area.

The first flush surprised the heck out of me as I had been walking all
day without seeing anything so my guard was down.  I managed a feeble
attempt at a shot but it wasn't even close.

I was more prepared for the second flush but I shot behind the bird.

The last bird, and the one most memorable, came as I checked "one last
spot" before going home.  I heard some rustling in the leaves and
spotted a red phase grouse obviously agitated with tail fanned out and
black ruff puffed out.  He was strutting about trying to determine if
I was a threat or not.  I watched him for several seconds and then
stamped my foot and yelled "fly" as I wasn't going to pot him on the
ground.  Unfortunately I blew the easy shot, again shooting slightly
behind as is my (bad) habit.  It seems that there is something about
the first hunt of the year that destroys my ability to shoot. Oh well,
better luck next time.  I guess I'd rather go home empty that shoot
one on the ground.

None of the other hunters I spoke with had seen more than one bird all
day.  A couple of years ago the same area produced many more flushes
per day.  I guess we have a few more lean years before the cycle goes
up again.:-(

Has anyone else been out?  How has the grouse hunting been in other
parts of the Midwest so far this year?  I haven't decided whether to
go after grouse or pheasants this weekend.

Good hunting,
Joe
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From: RTCQC%CUNYVM.BitNet@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Tom Hall)
Subject: Re: o/u vs s/a for birds
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:43:38 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

    If its mostly waterfowling your doing I would have to opt for the
auto.  Just about the only bird hunting I do is for ducks and geese and
sometimes you need that third shot.  I would recomend one of the recoil
operated models instead of the gas ones because in my experience they're
more reliable if they have to take a beating( mud,sand,etc.)
If you do decide to buy a gas auto, I don't like to bash Remington but
I would recomend against the 11-87.  My hunting partner shot one for about
three years and I know of at least three part breakages.  Also he had one
incidence in which a load of steel F shot peened over the inside of an IC
choke.  This was not an isolated event because I also met a guide who had
an identical experience.  Do yourself a favor; buy a browning pump.
                                     \
Tom Hall  CUNY, Queens college    ____\__^-  quack
                                   "  /
                                     /
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: "Horsing" geese
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:01:58 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct7.094352.2825@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
  dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott) writes:
>	If they shot the geese while on the ground, I would agree. If
>they did a stalk and surprised the geese and shot them when they
>flushed, then it seems ok.  When the ducks aren't flying, I've done
>some jump-shooting which takes more effort than just sitting in a
>blind waiting for them to come to you. It is illegal to hunt waterfowl
>>from a moving boat here in Colorado, but the regs say nothing about
>stalking.
 
 
Are you sure that's a *moving* boat, or one that is now under some
sort of mechaninical power.  A moving boat would also exclude those
small boats sure as a canoe being pushed by a paddle (which is
definately legal in Texas).  But I agree that it's alot more sporting
to try to sneak up on them, than wait in a blind (note:  i'm not
condemming blinds - heck, that's what I use 90% of the time).
The guys that used the fake horse just seemed pretty darn smart to
me.  :-)
 
 
>	I've seen a blind advertised for sale in the Herter's catalog
>that is the size, shape and color of an Angus cow/steer/bull. It is
>hard to tell the sex when the belly is cut out so hunters can stand
>inside. Two hunters would make an eight legged bull!
 
I've seen GIANT goose decoys that you climbed inside of too!  Looked
pretty nice, but I wouldn't want to have to carry it 300 yards through
a muddy rice field.....
 
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cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started last week!
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From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Subject: Sunday Hunting blue law
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:42:35 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've seen the thread regarding prohibitions on Sunday hunting, and
how there were some fellows that didn't believe they still existed.
Believe me, they do,  In Pennsylvania and Ohio, the two states I hunt
the most, you can't hunt Sundays (there are some variances to this,
though - In Ohio, I think you can hunt waterfowl on Sundays.

I've written to the DNR several times trying to get somebody to
change the law so we can bowhunt on Sunday, but so far no luck.
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Pennsylvania Bow Opener
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:05:17 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

At the risk of sounding like the little kid that found horse
manure in his Christmas stocking, and instead of being upset,
got all excited (there must be a pony around here somewhere),
let me tell you about the GREAT opener in Pa. last weekend.

I spent 8 hours in my treestand, and I didn't see a single deer.
It's a good stand, too.  No problem, just on that particular 
Saturday, no deer happened to come by the intersecting trails
on the oak ridge (BIG white oak crop this year - I presume they
didn't have to travel much to get fed).

The weather was beautiful, for a football game, anyway.  Bright
blue sky, light wind, temperatures in the 70's...  (Gimme a grey 
day with a high around 50 anytime I'm hunting).  I must have
been camo'd up pretty well, because I had a red-tail hawk swoop
down on a gray squirrel about 25 yards from my stand, and eat it
in plain sight.  Later, a flock of a dozen wild turkeys fed under
my stand without alarm.  And just before sundown, a squirrel came up
my tree and looked REAL puzzled at my Mossy-Oak covered leg...
I went "hssst!" and he split;  didn't want him looking for nuts
in THAT tree! :-)    At the end of the day, I was relaxed
and in a super-great mood, even though I didn't see any deer.

When I got home, my wife tried to console me over the fact that I
didn't get a deer;  her heart was in the right place, but like most
non-hunters, she doesn't really understand...  I still have 4 weeks 
of Pa. season (and 4 months of Ohio season) and I still have my deer 
tags, so I don't have to quit hunting yet.  (And I've got all my 
hunting gear in my truck, and at 4:30 I'm heading out to my buddy's
farm to get in a couple of hours in my blind before dinner.)

LIFE IS GOOD!


Ken
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Story: choose the proper weapon for the job
Keywords: elephant, HE, m203
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:01:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct6.084200.28006@doug.cae.wisc.edu> dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.075404.9512@doug.cae.wisc.edu> z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>	A friend of mine was a Force Recon Marine during the Vietnam war.
>>During this time period, his company was ordered to serve as instructors
>> [...snip!...]
>>Marines and squad members.  The 5.56 NATO round the M16 uses is just
>>not considered heavy enough for hunting elephants.
>
>First, in Vietnam the round would not have been 5.56 NATO as that round,
>based on the SS109, was not adopted by NATO until years after the Vietnam
>War ended. 

On the other hand, the .223 used in the M16 (even then...) is as close
to the NATO 5.56 as makes no never-mind.

>Second, you would be surprised how small a round can kill an
>elephant. One of the most popular calibers used by commercial elephant
>hunters in Africa was the 6.5 mm Dutch Manlicher. This round is about
>the same as the 6.5 Carcano or 6.5x54 Manlicher Schoneauer (sp?). 

What's the weight of the 6.5DM slug?  A 6.5x54 is also going to have a
lot more charge behind it than the 5.56x45, isn't it?

The 6.5mm is about .256".  Something like a .243 is supposed to have a
lot more punch than a .223 for hunting, no?  (And a number of states
don't allow .223 for deer hunting.)

>The round was used for "brain shots" to assure a quick and humane dispatch.
>It was true, however, that the hunter would have a double barrel 
>elepahant gun ready, just in case.

In the Marine's case, they just went for the elephant gun first.  :}

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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Color Blindness and Blood Trails
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:44:35 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>My question is:  is there anything I can do to help me see that color
>better?  Someone suggested that I wear amber shooters glasses when
>I'm tracking, but I think that would make it even worse.  What is
>the net.wisdom here?

Looks like you're just gonna have to get down on your hands and knees
and feel for the wet spots! ;-)  BTW, congrats on your firstbow-killed deer.

I don't know what to suggest wrt actually seeing the color red, but
there are things that will help you determine if that smudge or droplet
you're looking at is actually blood; specifically, the "blood trailers"
you see advertised.  Just a tip though;  the active ingredient is good
old ordinary peroxide, so buy a bottle and put some in a spray container
(it'll cost ya under $1 as opposed to about $8).

Also, depending on how far you're shots are, you might want to consider a Game
Tracker;  they work pretty well on close shots.


Ken


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: .270 vs .308 for Texas deer hunting
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:43:04 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

The .270 does have a slight advantage in trajectory, admitted.

But the .308 has a few advantages of its own. Besides being considered
to be the most or one of the most accurate .30 caliber rounds, it also
enjoys a MUCH more vast and versatile number of reloading options.
Also, the recoil on the .308 is friendlier than the .270. While this
may not effect your shot in the field, it will effect the number of
practice rounds you put through it. :) I prefer the .308.




Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Strict Membership Silliness
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:16:10 GMT

Bertram makes the customary logic error:
  If, by California law only the people on the Board of Directors are
  *real* members of the Corporation, and if *only* members will be 
  allowed to autocrat events <large smiley-face inserted here, please>,
  then ipso facto presto chango sic transit glorious munday -- obviously
  *ONLY* Board members can be autocrats.  Talk about busy schedules...

From the first page of Corpora, guys... (Corpora 1992, I. Membership)
  [ . . . ]  "(Note:  According to the California law under which the
  Society operates, it is defined as a nonmembership corporation.  That
  law supports the Society's use of the terms "member" and "membership"
  in the common English meaning, referring to persons who have paid to
  be associated with the organization, rather than the specialized
  meaning found in statutes relating to Members of Corporations.)"

Sorry, Bertram.

Along those lines, Bertram spreads more confusion about the SCA
Insurance.  We have several policies.  One covers the Directors
of the SCA, and Members who act as officers in the performance
of their duties, and will cover their losses if found guilty in
a court of law, up to some dollar figure.

Another policy protects the assets of the Society if a non-member
or organization sues us as part of site rental.  Actually, since
we do not have many assets, it essentially is a source of payment.
If we didn't have this guarantee of cash in the face of a lawsuit,
people who rented us sites, and sued, would be wasting their time,
as we couldn't possibly cover a judgement of more than about
$150,000 (my estimate only).

As for what events it covers, there is no clause that I am aware
of (and I asked Hilary about this too) that requires publication in
a kingdom newsletter.  It does require publication to the members
of a group, and a local newsletter will do for that purpose. So,
our various practices are covered.  I can cite the letter I received
from Hilary on this, if people are in doubt.

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: New Medieval/Renaissance Music List
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1bh83kINN2g3
Reply-To: Isobel.Preece@NEWCASTLE.AC.UK
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This was originally posted on MEDTEXTL.  Music mavins, take note!

Mikjal Annarbjorn

====================== Begin text ==============================

A new discussion list for Medieval and Renaissance Music has been set up using
the `mailbase' electronic information service based at the University of
Newcastle upon Tyne, England. The program runs automatically and you
communicate with it by using e-mail or (for retrieving files) ftp. To join the
list, send an e-mail message with the text:

join med-and-ren-music Joe Bloggs

(replacing `Joe Bloggs' with your own name) to the e-mail address:

mailbase@mailbase.ac.uk

If you have not used mailbase before, a User Commands Reference Card will be
sent to you when you join the list. This contains information on how to use
the service.

Most of your communications to the list will probably be short ones that can be
dealt with by the automatic program. If, however, you have papers or sets of
data that you wish to store in the list for others to retrieve, please contact
me personally.

Do, please, use the list and encourage your colleagues to do so. Please feel
free to forward this message to anyone who might be interested.

With best wishes,

Isobel Preece (Isobel.Preece@newcastle.ac.uk)

====================== End text ==============================
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Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu (David Kuijt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Multi-Multi-Dukes
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:19:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.61041
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Regarding multiple reigns, in Atlantia there are only two fighters who
have sat the throne more than twice by my count:

Michael of Bedford:  5 (plus one more on the Eastern Throne)
Olaf Askoldsson: 4

Of the fairer sex, there are two ladies who have sat the throne more
than twice:
Seonaid nic Feion: 3 (as Michael's consort)	(last name misspelled)
Aslinn Shattemwald: 3 (as Olaf's consort)	(last name misspelled)

That is all.


	Dafydd ap Gwystl			David Kuijt
	Barony of Storvik			kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu
	Kingdom of Atlantia			(MD,DC,VA,NC,SC)
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Citrons (was Re: Linen and wool)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:38:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <VADER.92Oct7143550@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
>Forgive my ignorance: "Citron" is the Swedish word for "lemon".
>
>What is the difference between a citron and a lemon in English?

From where I sit, a lemon is a small, bright yellow citrus fruit with
lots of aromatic oils in the outermost layer of a rather thin rind,
and lots of pulp inside full of a tasty, though very sour, juice.

A _citron_ is a rather larger citrus fruit with a very thick rind and
tasteless, juiceless pulp inside.  In the shops I know, you encounter
it only as pieces of the candied rind--usually cut up into little cubes,
but occasionally the entire half of a rind--intended for putting into
fruitcake.  I never put it into my fruitcake, because I find it quite
tasteless.  (I don't mean in bad taste, like a sick joke; I mean no
taste at all.)  But Hal likes to nibble on the stuff, so occasionally
we buy a chunk for him.

Next question: is this the same citron Aryk has been talking about?


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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