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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eurocentrism [was Three-Syllable Words]
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:52:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
In article <1992Jul20.084847.18570@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> What is democratic about this? Why is it that Americans often
|> use the word "democratic" in contexts where it has nothing at
|> all to do with the people having real power over government,
|> which is what "democratic" actually means?
>
>Buy a dictionary.   Meaning 2b of the word "democratic" in
>the American Heritage Dictionary is "carried on by the people
>in general".

All this means is that Americans have misused the word for so
long that the misuse has got into the dictionary. "Democracy"
comes clearly from the Greek meaning "rule by the people". Its
misuse is dangerous since it means that various forms of
non-democracy can by disguised as "democracy" merely by shifting
between the genuine and bogus meaning of the word without
showing the joins.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: Re: music stores in London
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:19:50 GMT

In article <Bs2ACA.361@news.udel.edu> pere@chopin.udel.edu (Persephone Brooks) writes:
>
>	I'm going to be taking a vacation to London in a few weeks, and
>I'm very interested in buying some CDs while I'm there that I can't find
>in the US.  Can anyone give me suggestions for good music stores in
>London?  I'm specifically interested in alternative, industrial, and
>U2 that can't be found here.  Thanks for your help!
>	I'll also need addresses, if possible, since I don't know my way
>around yet.
>

You could try  some of the larger record stores in London.

Tower Records in Picadilly Circus
Virgin Megastore on Oxford St. (nr. Tottenham Court Road tube[subway] station)
HMV Records also on Oxford St. (nr. Bond Street tube station)

The above have a very large selection of all kinds of music, and can
always take orders. There may of course be many other smaller record
stores that specialise in the music you are interested in. Look in the
music press ( such as NME [New Musical Express] or Melody Maker) for
ads for these record stores.

	- Sanjiv

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:25:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.065659.7626@osf.org>, sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon
Patience) writes:

|>In article <1992Jul28.164615.5711@tcom.stc.co.uk>, bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk
|>(Bruce Munro) writes:
|>> In article <1992Jul28.124514.14930@cs.hw.ac.uk> nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick
|>Taylor) writes:
|>> >
|>> >Anybody got any more? We must be called the UK in something!
|>> 
|>> We used to be called the UK ( or Royaume Uni) in Jeux Sans Frontieres!
|>
|>Not any more, I caught a glimpse of the latest series on the TV the
|>other day (it is just as awful and in French it is even less funny as
|>you don't have Stewart Wossisname having apoplexy all the time) and we
|>are now called GB by abbreviation. Strangely the commentators keep
|>refering to Pays de Galles. Is it really only Wales participating?
 
We were GB in the last lot too. I remember Stuart Hall speculating as to
why the 12ft high foam rubber rook being pushed into the moat of the
castle "for an early bath" has NI on it. The answer of course being that
the teams in Jeux sans Frontiers were the winners of the local heats and
so came from small towns etc.

Sounds like the Gwent rotary club team must have organised that heat...

Phill
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Metric System (was: New banknotes)
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:38:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: VOILA.NICKH.92Jul23103825
	<14jl8qINN19t@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> <Brsvs8.3B9@fulcrum.bt.co.uk>
	<Bru7Fw.1nM@brunel.ac.uk> <NICKH.92Jul23091957@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <NICKH.92Jul23091957@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>, I botched
heinously on the maths test:

      I have two spaces; space A is 11 8/8" x 6 1/16"
			 space B is 2 chains x 7 yds

      What is the area of each space in square feet?

   A: 11 8/8", gosh, 12 whole inches, well, that's a foot and no mistake.
   So a twelfth of 97/16 is 97/192 square feet.

   B: hmm, a chain, that's the same as a cricket pitch, 22 yards, 66
   feet, by 21 feet is 1386 square feet. 

But of course it was two chains. Correction: 2772 square feet.

Corrections for the others are:

	4158 st 10 117/192 lb,
	(25 tons, 19 cwt, 6 st, 10 lb, 9 3/4 oz)

	58684 guineas, 14/2 and ha'pence (plus 1/64 d)

My caning will have to wait until 17th August when I get back from the hols.

Nick
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: In re the Minister of Rumpo
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:33:21 GMT

jac54@cas.org () writes:
: 	  The point that concerned me most was not that a fat
: 	old fart could bed some lean brunette many years his junior (power
: 	is supposed to be an aphrodisiac) but that illegally (maybe
: 	improperly) obtained tape recordings of phone conversations could
: 	be legally disclosed.
: 
: 	Could somebody explain the argument by which this disclosure was
: 	found to be legal?

According to the Radio 4 legal programme the other night, bugging someone's
private conversations is not illegal.  The only possible illegality in this
area is tapping someone else's telephone; and this does not even apply if
they have a cordless 'phone.  It all depends how the taping was done whether
the law has been broken.

Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Reply-To: wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:13:10 GMT

In article <NIGEL.92Jul27135823@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>, nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
writes:
> 
> 	[More Deleted Than I Care to Talk About]
> 
>       Kinda like Argentina,huh?  Oh thats right, you won that one.  More
>       KIA's than the other side, but you still won.
> 
> Ummm...no.  The Argentinians got really trounced by the Brits...in
> fact it was something of an embarrasment for the US.  Argentinian
> forces are trained by the US using US doctorine.  That they are geared
> more for mechanized warfare in less hostile climates isn't much of an
> excuse although IMHO modelling military based on the US isn't too
> bright consdering the US has much better ability to specialize forces
> for given terrain since we have a lot more to work with.  I suspect
> that the Argentinian land forces would have aquitted themselves much
> better in terrain they had trained for.  Thier Navy left quite a bit
> to be desired and had they been more agressive the RN would have been
> hard pressed to meet both air and naval threats while supporting
> amphibious operations.
> 
> We're a tad spoiled in the US...we would have had no less than 3
> carriers (real carriers...not the glorified helipads the Brits have)
> as well as full Marine division (and Marine baby carriers) in the same
> sort of situation.  It would have been quite a walkover for us but was
> one heck of an accomplishment for the Brits.  On the other hand the
> Argies were as ineffectual as the Iraqis turned out to be.
> 
	I beg to differ.  Five or six British ships sunk, and six to eight more hit
with bombs that didn't explode (better ordinance would DEFINITELY cost the RN
several more ships) adds up to a damn good performance for the Argentine flyers
considering they were at the long end of their attack range.  Considering the
size of the RN, those are pretty significant losses.  Granted the Argentine Army
and Navy didn't perform up to snuff, but 'trounced' is too one-sided a word,
IMHO.  
>  
>	[More Stuff Deleted About Who Bombed What With Which]
>
	Where did this thread start, and what does the title have to do with it? 
> --
> Nigel Tzeng
> .sig under construction
 
========================================================================
Ed Humble                |   Iowa State University   -  Moo!          
wehumble@iastate.edu     |   Dept. of Aerospace Engineering
                         |    Grad (Professional) Student
========================================================================
  "`Ecrasez l'infame.'  I looked it up.  What infamous thing do you want to
erase?"

  "What infamous thing have you got?"
========================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:00:33 GMT

In article <NIGEL.92Jul23112145@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>,
nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov writes:

|>In article <1992Jul22.203836.5003@dscomsf.desy.de>
|>hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
|>
|>[much deleted]
|>
|>>The US could never learn the British Guerilla tactics because they
|>just
|>>don't have the mindset. They prefer egotistical little one man Rambo
|>>style warriors. They have an army built arround the latest techno
|>>wizardry rather than the British system of bloody good Sargeants.
|>
|>Excuse me but I think you're extrapolating a bit too much from
|>Hollywood movies than reality. 

Absolutely not, there is no way anyone would do that in soc.culture.british

|> While the Brits have bloody great
|>Sargents our NCOs aren't too shabby either...and we have techno
|>wizardy wimply because a) we can afford it and b) force multiplication
|>through technology is a good way of saving lives.

I would suggest that you consider the bit where the NCOs go surffing
during an battle in `appocalypse now'

OK yes, we will humour you, the US army is great, wonderful,
magnificent. It hasn't just lost a war in Vietnam - in fact we will let
you call it something else, er a tactical withdrawal, yes that sounds
good. 


|>>They got their asses kicked and a damn good thing to. Until they build a
|>>second monument to the people they killed and appologise to the
|>>Vietnamese people, the US will never regain its old position in the
|>>world. Vietnam was the start of the collapse of the US empire, perhaps
|>>they will be smart enough to realise this sooner than the British were.
|>
|>The US will probably never have the same influence it had post-WWII
|>and pre-VN.  However, I've met quite a few of the Vietnamese people
|>who fled the current regime and the only thing we have to apologise
|>for is leaving them hanging.  A monument to the NVA and the butchers
|>they served?  Not in a million years.

The US murdered more Vietnamese in the war than Ho Chi Minhs govt did after.


|>Good thing we got our asses kicked?  Maybe...we've learned a lot of
|>lessons from that war and the Gulf conflict proved it.

What like how to aim rockets? The gulf was just about the one place
where all that techno wizardry would work. Nicely uniform background to
spot the targets on, complete air superiority, nice dry conditions so
the electronics don't go screwy.

And above all the British airforce to take out the runways of the
opposition despite the attempts to blast them out of the sky from the US
forces instructed by those oh so good NCOs of yours.


Phill Hallam-Baker
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:10468 soc.culture.usa:6146
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:08:46 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> OK, is this "British sarcasm", or do you really consider anyone who has
> to work while in school "lower class"?  (Working while in school is 
> pretty common in the U.S. "middle class.")

Depends whether you're using the US or UK definition of school (this
article is, after all, crossposted). In the UK, school refers to primary
school and high school i.e. 5-18. Anything after that is college or
university. Matters of class aside, if you were *having* to hold down a job
after spending the day at high school chances are your parents were pretty
badly off and thus *needed* you to go out after school to earn the extra
cash. If you want to bring class back into it, if you were "middle class"
it's highly unlikely your parents would force you to go out to work after
high school (or even to skip school) because they needed the money. Most
middle class kids here who have after-school jobs do so to get extra cash
for themselves, not because their families depend on it.

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
			   "Click click drone."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: kgonsal@eng.clemson.edu (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Subject: Wanted sources for MARMITE.
Reply-To: kgonsal@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:05:19 GMT

Hi guys (generic term),
	I am interested in knowing if MARMITE is available in stores in the US.
Could some one mail me please.

thanks.

==============================================================================
kgonsal@eng.clemson.edu

Kenneth Gonsalves
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:43:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <nm19p0c@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> Catch 22.   If the Tories spend more, they're irresponsible.
> If they spend less, they're "reneging" on their election 
> promises.
> 
> jon.
>    
Jon, I don't want to start being patronising, but I'm afraid I've got very
little alternative. Back before the election, the Tories presented us with
their manifesto. That's the little document in which they tell what they are
going to do if we are stupid enough to re-elect them. That manifesto, which
must surely count as an election promise, included several commitments to
increase spending. 

Now they find themseleves, much to everyone's surprise, including their own,
back in power. They discover that they have committed too much money to too
many things, such as letting other people make a profit where before the
government made a profit. So they cannot afford to spend all the money they
promised they were going to. That is called "reneging" on an election promise.

Now let's just suppose they decided they were going to increase public
spending. The NHS workers say "Hurrah!", the teachers say "Hurrah!", in fact
everybody who didn't trust them an inch before the election says "Hurrah!". But
the rich little stockbroker types in the city are very unhappy. They say "But
now you've increased public spending you'll have to raise our taxes and we'll
be very sad and stop supporting you!". 


Now do you understand the Conservative approach to money?

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:16:48 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <1992Jul29.065659.7626@osf.org>, sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience) writes:

> > 
> > We used to be called the UK ( or Royaume Uni) in Jeux Sans Frontieres!
> 
> Not any more, I caught a glimpse of the latest series on the TV the
> other day (it is just as awful and in French it is even less funny as
> you don't have Stewart Wossisname having apoplexy all the time) and we
> are now called GB by abbreviation. Strangely the commentators keep
> refering to Pays de Galles. Is it really only Wales participating?

Yes it is, and the only UK channel it gets shown on is S4C. If you think
it's bad in French, you should see it in Welsh!
> 
> Simon.

Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Subject: Re: BBC TV world service
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.134740.7823@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, Stephen Wilcox
writes:
> World Service Television only exists (as yet) in the Indian subcontinent.

That's interesting.  Here I am in Sweden watching it almost every day.
And the programme schedule on the Ceefax pages (here called BBCfax) is in
Central European Time.

- chris@kuling.docs.uu.se
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dollar vs Pound (was Mellor: The etc)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:17:22 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

In article <nm144g4@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com
(Jon Livesey) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.055941.10005@dscomsf.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
>>
>> Jon's just pissed off becasuse he knows the ecconomy is headed 
>> for the soup and theres no way Major and co can escape the blame.

>Poor Phill.   So clueless.   The reality is that I bought Sterling
>futures after the election at around $1.75 and sold them a couple
>of weeks ago at around $1.88.

However, the main causes of the exchange rate change have been the
lowering of short term interest rates in the U.S. and the rising of
short term interest rates in Germany. 

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: kjcarey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kevin J. Carey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:38:38 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

As someone already suggested, the "Britishi(s/z)ation" of the US is an
equally serious problem. Every housing development I see these days has
a name like "Nottingham Oakes", "Windsor Run" or something equally crass
and inappropriate. Speaking of "Oakes", the practice of adding extra
"e"s to everything is also endemic - I have seen more "Ye Olde Englishe
Shoppe" signs than I care to remember. My roommate from Michigan tells
me that he gets his car serviced at "Eds Oil Shoppe"! I also find stuff
in shops marketed as English that to the best of my knowledge has
nothing to do with England e.g. "English Muffins". No ad is complete
without a British accent, and I now see that Coors are using the alleged
approval of London beer drinkers (I'm sure the beer was free) in their
ad campaigns. The Northeast appears ridden with Sloane Ranger wannabees,
but I think I've gone on long enough.
--- Kevin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: help
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:20:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.082519.5879@osf.org>, sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience) writes:
|> Are all (well virtually all) Polys now
|> Universities? I knew that they had the option, I didn't know how many
|> had taken up the option. Any info anyone?

Some institutes of higher education have become Polytechnics.  DIHE is now Bournemouth Poly (or some such), although being based in Wallisdown will always be known as Wally Poly.  Same thing happened at Ealing.

I wonder if the govt. is going to publish league tables of University performance?  It will be interesting to see how the status of the new institutions change in a much more fluid situation.  I'm sure some of the old universities will head for 4th divisions obscurity while some of the Polys will
make it to the premier league - just as happened with the redbrick universities.
Anyone care to nomitate a Wimbledon of the Poly world and a Bolton of the Universities ?  How about Brighton and Brunel....

David.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:32:43 GMT

In article <CC.92Jul29093920@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.174055.15990@inmos.co.uk> conor@lion.inmos.co.uk (Conor O'Neill) writes:
>
>   I _hate_ all those Coke and Pepsi ads which seem to try to out-do each other
>   to say how wonderful the Merkin way of life is, so why don't we buy some.
>
>Which is why the Irn Bru advert struck such a chord (the one where they
>mercilessly take the piss out of sunlit Coke and Pepsi adverts...)

	Ah! remember Billy Connolly's paean to the restorative powers of
	Irn-Bru?

	If you want loathsome advertising you should be so unlucky as
	to catch U.S. beer adverts.  Levi's used to run adverts for
	Dockers that involved silly conversations that must have been
	written by somebody recovering from a double-scoop lobotomy.

	They all pale in comparison to the ads from our local Ford
	dealer.

	Alec.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 16:37:14 CDT
From: Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: New banknotes
 <1992Jul27.060213.12128@trl.oz.au>
 <MATTHEW.92Jul27165009@matthew.ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi>
 <4873@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>

>In article <MATTHEW.92Jul27165009@matthew.ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi>
>matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:
>>
>>Not since they abandoned the Gold Standard sometime back in the 1920's.
>>There's nowhere near enough gold to back all the notes and coins issued
>>these days.

Actually, the end of the most recent gold backed episode was the early
1970s; prior to that point the dollar was fixed at $35 = 1oz of gold
and other currencies were fixed to the dollar and thus indirectly
fixed to gold.  The Jamaica agreement (1976) was the official end
of the era.  Now it's all based on the Bundesbank's reluctance to
endure inflation greater than a few percent per year, and everyone
else's commitment to fix their value to the DM.

Cole Kendall