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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: Bosnia
Summary: so there
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:20:43 GMT

In article <5643.2A95ADD5@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, John.Blumer@umagic.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer) writes:
> Of course there is another reason, to help out militarily in these 3
> incidents would have resulted in full scale war.

As opposed to meddling in the Balkans, which has hardly ever caused any
conflict larger than, say, WWI.

> Now let me turn the table, why was it ok for us to invade Iraq,
> and not even provide the slightest in military help for Bosnia?>  

That's an EASY one. It WASN'T ok for the US to invade Iraq. Give me a HARD
one next time. Greneda? Nope - not our business. Panama? Aside from Jimmy
Carter giving away a strategic asset of the United States for no good reason,
once we gave it away, we had no business going in there. Vietnam? Oh yeah,
we REALLY had a good idea that time. Afghanistan? Thank heavens we had the
good sense to stay mostly out of that one - and if the USSR had had the same
good sense, they might still be around to annoy us today (and I'll bet you
STILL think that "it can't happen here" - the total ecomnomic collapse of a
world super-power because they squandered all of their peoples' assets on
world domination, that is).

The only encouraging thing I've ever heard about any intervention of this
kind is that we may have actually MADE money in Desert Storm (what a novel
concept - anything the government does actually MAKING money). Frankly, I
would rather see them expand beyond their current numbers rackets (lotteries)
into government run cathouses (USDA inspected?), casinos, recreational drugs
(FDA safety approved and guaranteed potency), etc. All of these are easier
for me to justify on moral grounds than the indiscriminate killing of foreign
men, women and children on political grounds, not to mention risking the
lives and health of our own young men to defend the property of such wonderful
folks as the Emir of Kuwait.

We desparately need clean, safe, cheap fusion power breakthroughs so that we
tell the entire middle east to go f*** themselves. (note for the easily
offended: obviously, I meant "free themselves"....) ;-)

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Larry "let's mend our badly broken fences first - let the rest of the world
mend THEIR OWN fences - I'm tired of footing EVERYBODY'S fencing bills" Hughes
From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Pro - Liver
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92  0:23:13 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

I think I'll stick to Geritol, thanks for the offer though.
Leah
Anti-liver

 

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: City elections
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 21:06:39 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

>P.S. are you the one who was asking about the phone Directory
 
 
No. If you are referring to the question of an electronic version 
of a phone directory, I think Dave Luce was the person asking about 
it.



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: To Larry Billings TAXES
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 09:24:36 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

No, the Sales Tax is not the same in the County (at least not in my 
part of the County. The sales tax is 5%. This is good at most conveince 
(sp) stores, and Pig'Wig' also if you mail order, as I frequently 

do the taxes are lower.
 
No change in the Gas tax, though--you are right there.
 
Insurance rates... hummm. I guess you people don't know how to shop!
 
As for property tax, you can protest and have them look at your property 
again next time so they may lower it (they raised a LOT of taxes last 
time)
 
Leah
 



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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Incorrect statistic!? (was Re: Interesting statistic!)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:07:45 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Sep 02 19:13>, Patrick Fitzgerald (1:373/12) writes: 


 >Where did you get this data?  The attached text was posted in
 >alt.politics.bush on Usenet.  Gore is not on the list.  However, the 
 >list
 >is overwhelmingly Democratic...

If you must know, Paul Harvey quoted this in a recent edition of his 
newspaper column. If you have a fax number, I could dig up a copy and fax 
it to you if it hasn't hit the garbage can yet.


 >     Congress last week extended its own license to spend when it 
 >failed to
 >   pass a constitutional amendment o balance the budget.  Why did 
 >Congress
 >   reject this measure?  Research by the National Taxpayers Union
 >   Foundation, the research arm of the anti-tax lobby, yields one
 >   age-old answer:  Congress was protecting interest-group wish lists.

 >     The foundation ran up the numbers and found that the opponents of 
 >a
 >   balanced budget amendment are also sponsors of legislation that 
 >would 
 >   cost the taxpayers the most money.  Congressmen who voted for the
 >   balanced budget amendment are sponsoring legislation that would 
 >increase
 >   spending by around $23 billion; members who opposed the amendment 
 >currently
 >   sponsor legislation that would cost the taxpayer about an 
 >additional
 >   $137 billion.  The foundation also produced a list of the 100 
 >congressmen
 >   and women who would spend the most (as of April 5, 1992).  Only
 >   16 of them supported the amendment.  We reprint the list here,
 >   with rankings in billions of dollars.


I think the key here is "a list of the 100 congressmen and women". Correct 
me if I'm wrong, but Gore is a senator.
 



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Pro - Liver
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92  9:12:12 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Yes, there are a lot of things they say are good for you that I
won't touch ;)
Leah

 

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: City elections
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:15:39 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

>it would've made sense to hold the elections on the same day, but 

>I believe it was done initially so that there wouldn't be so many
>races at one election that the voters got more confused than
>"normal"...look, ...
I  had a feeling it was something like that. Thanks for the reply 
and I will look for those complaint forms next time I vote. 



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: City elections
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:53:58 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Humm, your questions/points are excellent points.
If I were you I'd address them to Joan Keat at 532-3510
 
or The County attorney (who knows everything) at: 532-3492
 
Leah
 
P.S. are you the one who was asking about the phone Directory?
Leah



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From: aumantb@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov (Tim Aumann)
Subject: Re: Insurance
Followup-To: hsv.general
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:31:03 GMT

In article <5694.2A9FE5E9@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>,
Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) wrote:
> 
> The company is Liberty Mutual Insurance.
> Leah
> 
You didn't choose them for the name, did you. Are they Libertarians?

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Bosnia
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:18:43 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Did you ever think about running for politics? I started to qoute 
and reply, when I realized you never addressed what I said, but 
rather tried to make grandoise statements which are not very analagous 
to the situation. In other words, a normal political speech.



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From: Michael.Konor@p0.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Konor)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Clinton and Arkansas
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:38:27 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/8.0 - The Alabama Inferno, Huntsville AL

JS> RE> some hyuk hyuk from Arkansas.

Where in Arkansas?  I'm from Hot Springs.


*FSED91j*

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From: brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley)
Subject: channel 59 on CableAlabama
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: hsv
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:36:05 GMT

Has anyone else who has Cable Alabama, happened to catch the really wierd
program on channel 59?  It is a repeating program which must last about
2 hours before it just kind of starts all over again.  It almost seems
to be some kind of New Age propaganda, on the other hand it may just be
something totally stupid with no meaning at all!  Any ideas?

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From: gary@rocker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Braswell)
Subject: Re: NO NEW TAXES (Was Bush is a Liar)
Reply-To: gary@rocker.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:03:45 GMT

|> But you must admit that Bush is a liar.  He lied about raising taxes...
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I'm not a huge Bush fan, but, to Bush's defense, I find it hard to
	believe that he would be so stupid as to beat "No New Taxes" into
	our heads last campaign with the premeditated intention of breaking
	that promise his first year of office.

	The fact is, Congress had him over a barrel.  I KNOW alot of things
	gets blamed on Congress, but the deal with the tax increase was
	in fact initiated by the Democrats in Congress and was clearly and 
	wholly political, so that they could bash him about it in '92.

	For Bush, it was either raise taxes or not get the 1989 budget passed
	for another 3 months.  He had to take the lumps for it then, and he's 
	having to take them now.

	---
	GJB
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From: pat@fitz.uucp (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: channel 59 on CableAlabama
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: hsv
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:59:30 GMT

brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley) writes:

>Has anyone else who has Cable Alabama, happened to catch the really wierd
>program on channel 59?

I loved it.  It was much better than "Cats".
I'm going to see it again and again.
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From: pat@fitz.uucp (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: NO NEW TAXES (Was Bush is a Liar)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:05:52 GMT

gary@rocker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Braswell) writes:

>|> But you must admit that Bush is a liar.  He lied about raising taxes...
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	I'm not a huge Bush fan, but, to Bush's defense, I find it hard to
>	believe that he would be so stupid as to beat "No New Taxes" into
>	our heads last campaign with the premeditated intention of breaking
>	that promise his first year of office.
>
>	The fact is, Congress had him over a barrel.

And Bush did not realize that they would have him over a barrel?

"The Congress will push me to raise taxes, and I'll say no.
And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push me again.
And I'll say to them: 'Read my lips.  No new taxes.'"
	- George Bush, nomination acceptance speech, August 18, 1988

This sounds like real get-tough rhetoric!  Unfortunately, when push
came to shove (he didn't mention anything about shoves), Bush folded.

Okay, I yield and change my statement to "He broke his promise not to
raise taxes."  I won't say he intentionally lied, or even that he wanted
to raise taxes.  But when push comes to shove again, what then?
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From: ross@kaos.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: Re: BUSH IS A NEO_NAZI! AND A LIAR
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:29:26 GMT

>>[irrational Bush-bashing deleted]
>
>But you must admit that Bush is a liar.  He lied about raising taxes, and
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whose?  Not mine.  I got a return last year for the first time.  My
tax bill has gone down.  I still hate filling out the damn forms, but
I'm making more money now and paying less taxes than I did in 1988.
I've got no problem here at all.  

>he lied about gun control.
Not an issue to me.
>
>Slick ("I never broke any U.S. drug laws") is not much better.
Definitely.  Want to see my taxes go up?  Slick is definitely the man
to do that.  Plus I don't believe in a welfare/dole state, and that's
what the democraps are for.  I'm also more confident in the abilities
of the current president with regard to foreign affairs than I am from
some hyuk hyuk from Arkansas.
>
>I'm also a LOT better off now than I was four years ago.  However, the
>country is a LOT worse off now than it was four years ago (not entirely the
>fault of Bush, but he helped).
I disagree.  

Look to congress for somebody to blame.  They write the checks (even
those that going boing), not the president.  I don't think the
country's that much worse off.  Sure there are people out of work, but
there's ALWAYS people out of work.  If our country's business's can't
make it competitively in a world market, those companies will go out
of business.  You think it's bad now!?  If you cut 200 billion dollars
out of the defense budget, where do you think those thousands and
thousands of people/engineers/clerks/manufacturers who work to support
the Pentagon are going to go?  7-11?  Unemployment lines!!  Then watch
the rate go up.  "But we'll retrain them".  To do what?  Work on road
projects?  Good career path.  "We'll retool the defense industry to
make domestic products!"  Horse hooey.  McDonnell Douglas isn't going
to start making toasters.  I like the country just the way it is,
thanks, with some small changes that the President has nothing to do
with.
>
>Bush helped increase the size and intrusiveness of the government.
disagree.  I don't feel intruded on at all.  And he did this all by
himself, right?  Geez...

>Clinton's proposed increases make Bush look like a libertarian in
>comparison...
Definitely agree here.
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From: Dee.Gardner@p0.f16.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dee Gardner)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Pro - Liver
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:28:59 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/16.0 - The D.L.D. BBS, Huntsville AL

But remember this, liver is GOOD for you, especially us women!!  Iron 
content!!
 
D 



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From: Dee.Gardner@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dee Gardner)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Liver
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 19:29:10 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Thanks Leah, I will call soon - the three ring circus (in the
person of 1 8 1/2 yr old and 1 4 yr old) arrive tomorrow night
for the weekend and Helen tends to be my shadow, especially when
I am on the phone (ol' radar ears there).  I'll call next week
sometime, Duncan will probably be working OT again.
 
Take care, have a great holiday weekend!
 
D

 

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From: Jim.Mccullars@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Mccullars)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Alfa insurance?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:32:31 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Terry:
 
 > company based in
 > Alabama.  Therefore they do not have to pay the extra tax
 > that other insurance
 > companies, based out side of Alabama, have to pay inorder
 
  When I was in the insurance biz about 10 years ago, some national 

companies would set up an Alabama-based company for the sole purpose 
of writing business in this state.  The Hartford Insurance Company 
of Alabama comes to mind.
 
 > companies.  If you get
 > a quote from them, you might be able to talk your present
 > carrier down.
 > --
 
  Not very likely.  Rates for personal lines insurance are filed 

with the Alabama Insurance Department.  Companies are not allowed 
to deviate from their filings.
 
Jim



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Insurance
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:57:57 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Dear Paul Robichaux,
 
While I have not dealt with ALPHA I have done a lot of price comparison
and have found (what I believe) to be the most cost effective insurance.
The company is Liberty Mutual Insurance. The number is 1-800-292-6226
 
My agent is really great. Her name is Vicky Dickinson. She will come 
up and meet you and take the time to get to know what you want. She 
also has a very good way of explaining insurance in a way that is 
easy to understand.
 
I pay $360 for $75,000 worth of homeowners per year. I have a 500 
deductable (at my request) and also have my car insurance through 
them as well. That is $57 down and I think $32 a month for full coverage.
 
This includes thirty days of renatl car and un/under/insured motorists 
theft etc..
 
Hope this helps.
Leah



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From: aumantb@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov (Tim Aumann)
Subject: Re: Incorrect statistic!? (was Re: Interesting statistic!)
Followup-To: hsv.general
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:42:20 GMT

In article <5754.2AA653E5@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>,
John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert) wrote:
> 
> I think the key here is "a list of the 100 congressmen and women". Correct 
> me if I'm wrong, but Gore is a senator.
>  

A congressman (person?) is anyone in the Congress of the US - House of
Representatives or Senate. A Representative sits in the House, and a
Senator sits in the Senate. Both are in Congress.

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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Clinton and Arkansas
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 17:59:19 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Sep 02 13:20>, T.J. Higgins (1:373/12) writes: 


|> p.s.  Ask a Bosnian about Bush's foreign policy skills.  Ask a Kurd, if 
you
|> can find a live one.

 >How about a Somalian or a Haitian?  I'll bet they're really impressed 
 >with Mr. G.H.W. Bush.

Or ask a Russian or a Kuwaiti. Better yet, ask the majority of the 
American public. I don't remember any American embassies being captured 
and the staff being held hostage for more than a year, or do I? For some 
really masterfull examples of foreign policy, look at Syria saying they 
would understand if Israel launched attacks against an Arab neighbor. An 
even better example, look at Israel under attack from ballistic missles 
launched by an Arab state refraining from retaliating. You people have 
such short memories it's pathetic. You probably think Jimmy Carter handled 
the Iran hostage situation in a masterfull manner. Get real!

BTW, the Kurds and the Bosnians are hurting because liberal jerks like you 
made it impossible for the president to take any effective action. Bush 
did what was best with the information he had in hand during the gulf war, 
but you jerks sit there with hindsight saying "I told you so". Funny, I 
don't remember either one of you saying anything at the time. 



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Wanted-debendable used lawn mower
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 00:11:55 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Hi Franklin,
Saw your messsage. I have a push mower, I hadn't really thought about 
selling it however you are welcome to come see it. It has always worked 
however for some reason the back wheels are always falling off. Perhaps 
this is due to my lack of torque (sp) when using the wrench. I'd take 
$40 for it, but you have to get the wheels.
Leah
 
(oh it is about three years old, but we have only used it a few times, 

we had to get a riding mower!)



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From: aumantb@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov (Tim Aumann)
Subject: Re: To Tim Aumann Re: County Life
Followup-To: hsv.general
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:28:01 GMT

In article <5691.2A9FE5E3@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>,
Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) wrote:

>  
> You forgot the most important thing, County living means less taxes!
> Leah
> 
True - but that is offset by the higher insurance rates I must pay. If I
lived in either Hintsville or Madison, my homeowners insurance would be a
couple hundred dollars less than it is. That is because I live in a class 9
fire district - basically an unprtected area (apologies to anyone on the
Monrovia FD - I know you guys are improving things tremendously, but for
now the insurance folks still rate the area as class 9). The city areas are
either class 5 or 6, I believe, which means there is a fairly good,
professional, fulll time FD nearby.

So the taxes may be lower, but I am still paying the money to someone.

TANSTAAFL...

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