HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:46:19 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) writes:

>seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>>Obbi Ref:  Has anyone ever thought of bisexuality in terms of yin-yang?
>>        Let me explain... What I get from the yin-yang is that nothing
>>        can exist without its opposite.  (motss and motos attractions)
>>        Also that things tend to evolve into their opposites.  Also, no
>>        moral commentary in it.  No yin=good, yang=bad. Just happy existence.

The quick answer to this, is yes. The yin-yang symbol has been used by bis;
for instance, Kay has a cute little yin-yang sticker on his leather jacket
which changes colour depending on temperature. I have a yin-yang icon which
pops up whenever I receive e-mail from bi mailing lists.

>This is something i have a hard time understanding.  In what sense are
>sexes polarized?  There are two distinct sets of functions for
>reproduction, but:
>	- not everyone is organicly programmed for either set of functions
>	- some people are programmed for both
>	- in any event, keying _attraction_ on reproductive function
>	  is a quaint tradition in some respects but i wouldn't
>	  want to read too much into it

Who said anyone was keying attraction on (organically programmed)
reproductive function? As far as I'm concerned, attraction and sexuality
are primarily psychological phenomena.

>Oh sure, there is polarization in social practice (e.g. language), but
>where else?

Most people seem to exhibit very polarized attraction to one sex or the
other. It's interesting to look at this polarization in terms of yin and
yang, and wonder whether more balance isn't really more psychologically
healthy.

[Disclaimer: I only have a vague notion about yin and yang, and I can't
possibly allow myself to look into it just now because I should be working
on the T****s. I hope someone (Jim?) will expand on the subject.]


//jon (still a hundred unread articles in soc.bi)
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Urgent notice!
Keywords: Make up your own.
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:53:08 GMT

In article <1r#3q=h@rpi.edu> safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
|Warning!  It has been noted by our professional and tireless staff that not
|enough fluff has been posted to soc.bi.


   ???

   Compared to _where_?

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ "Okay, maybe it's not as whimsical as talk.bizarre,
                 \/   but talk.bizarre isn't a newsgroup, it's a lifestyle"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: Impossible acts
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:14:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.203110.323@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>In article <C0Hu0G.M5s@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca> nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:
>>vdijk@io.tudelft.nl wrote:
>>:  'the Crisco Kid: pleasant darkhaired bi smart assertive cutie' ?
>
>>					   ^^^^^ ^^^
>>Can we distill it down to this?  :-)}  :-)}  :-)}
>> 
>
>Waaaaaaaaaaaaah! I'm going home! [stomps off, thumb in mouth,
>sulking hugely]
>
>				Kay
No wait, Kay!  Don't go! We need you here!  (besides, there's much better things
you can do with your thumb and your mouth besides sulk... ;-))

						Steve

-- 
        ---<[{       .sig in stereo (where available)       }]>---
| Stephen C. Litterst           |  Nice guys finish last...              |
| kyraan@bach.udel.edu           \ 	But we do get to sleep in.       |
|_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\______________________________________|
From: shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Empress Sue)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A demuffining at last
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

mort@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave 'Mort' Mortman) writes:
>I've been lurking about for the past 4 months or so and finally decided
>to make a post. So here I am. I figured it was about time to make an
>appearance.
>
>Dave "Mort" Mortman				      mort@midway.uchicago.edu
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Education is like sex, when it's good, it's very very good, and when it's bad,
>it's better than nothing  -unattributed
>If your sexual fantasies were truly of interest to others, they would no
>longer be fanatasies - Fran Lebowitz
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, well, well <sounds of foot-tapping> and it's about time.<grin> 
(Actually, you're about 2 months faster than I was...)

Welcome, welcome, welcome!
Sooooooo, do ya want a hug from a recent ex-muffin?  I do so love the 
concept of e-hugs...erm, actually...virtual-hugs or in-real-life-hugs...
but I will wait until I'm invited...<wistful Bambi-eyed look>.

Sue (Banimpire -- poised, waiting hopefully)
S.M. Hogan   | IHP/Heller School/Rm. G17/Brandeis University
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: YES! It works!!!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:13:04 GMT

In article <C0n5w3.8q6@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>Perhaps it's about time there was an entry for remote posting in the FAQ
>>file.  Jon?  Care to stick one in? (oo-er!)
>
>What? Oh... for a minute there I thought I was getting the best offer I've
>had in ages...

<gigglesnughug>
>Guess it might be a good idea. I could put in a pointer to the anonymous
>posting system too.
>
>So how does one post remotely? Other than to soc-bi@somewhere, I've forgotten

The Berkeley address isn't supposed to be "well-known", a friend of
mine has said to me; ie, it will work, but it's not really supposed to
be used.  The official way of doing it all is to email the article
to the university of Texas.  Thus:

To post remotely (but *not* anonymously*) to soc.bi, mail to

	soc-bi@cs.utexas.edu

Similarly for other newsgroups (ie replace dots by hyphens, and mail to the
same host).  It worked for me, it works for Casper, should work for
anyone.

				Kay (useful, for once)
-- 
the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Purity
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:26:25 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <1993Jan7.195455.29468@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.170050.4120@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>
>>bin for _everyone_, despite how you try to get out.  You really and
>>truly can't win against an anal-compulsive sorting disorder.
>
>People can be sorted into two bins: people who can be sorted into
>two bins, and those who can't.
>
I thought it was "There are two types of people in the world, those
who think there are two types of people in the world, and those that
don't"....

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 16:40:27 -0500 
From: "Sherrianne M. Johnson" <sj1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Het males & bi-femmes
	<1993Jan2.210437.22802@vpnet.chi.il.us>

>In article <C0549I.Fsw.1@cs.cmu.edu> pooh+@cs.cmu.edu (Will Timmins) writes:
>|Re three way interaction:
>[overly complicated relationship description]
> 
>|Why all this nonsense? Just a thought experiment. This is the best argument 
>|against polyamory- things get TREMENDOUSLY complex very quickly.
> 
>   Not necessarily so.  It's not necessary for all of the people in
>a polyamourous tangle to be intimate with each other.  If I was to
>use, for an example, my current situation, I'm got three distinct
>couple relationships, none of which interact that much.  (Mind you,
>considering that each of these people have other relationships too,
>it gets very complicated, but only in a topological sense; from my
>viewpoint, the relationships are (Orc,A), (Orc,B), and (Orc,C), and
>they all function more-or-less independently (as well they should,
>because none of these people live within 500 miles of me!)


Hi there!  I've demuffined before, I just don't post all that often.  :)
 I should introduce myself.  I'm currently in a polyamorous relationship
with Will (the guy quoted up there... :), and believe me, even with some
relationships intertwined and some separate, it can get pretty
complicated...  I'm holding three relationships right now, and he's
holding two, and I think he was working that out just to figure out all
the ties going everywhere...we should make a graph.  :)

I'm just personally of the opinion that it can be extremely neat if say,
there are three people involved in a relationship, and they all are
involved to a full extent.   Everybody likes, loves, lusts, everyone
else.  

I guess this posting isn't too terribly logically thought out like the
others in the thread, but I just really felt like posting here.  Just
got back from break, haven't read the bboard in ages...


> 
>   Now, if you also include the people I've *slept* with, well,
>yeah, at that point it gets *very complicated.

Arg!  Yeah...


> 
>                ____
>  david parsons \bi/ "Probably just as well that I'm not sleeping with
>                 \/   anyone in chicago, though..."


sher
sj1s@andrew.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: On the Making of Crumbs.
Keywords: ex muffin crumbs
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:51:51 GMT

In article <hv-3sza@rpi.edu> safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>I am not so sure 'Crumbs' is the best reference to use for 'Ex-Muffins'...
>I mean, am I the only one that thinks of Penfold when someone uses that
>word? :)
>
>Penfold, is that a muffin I see there?
>Crumbs boss!
>Thank you Penfold.
>
I tend to associate carrots with Penfold more than crumbs, but you
do have a point....

(Next question, what percentage of the readership actually understands
what we're on about?)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: grumble
Organization: who, me?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:30:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.155657.23293@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.054154.9194@fuug.fi> an2839@anon.penet.fi (Archer) writes:
>|While I'm at it, I have a question for you all:  When you actually
>|meet after weeks/months of talking over the net, how do things
>|generally go?  Just curious.
>
>
>  Oh, it's a disaster; it turns out we all can't stand each other,
>so we all throw things at each other, then quickly find excuses to
>leave quickly.
>
>                 ____
>   david parsons \bi/ self-admitted compulsive liar
>                  \/


No fair!  I almost fell out of my chair reading this....


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: TV..The drug of a nation
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:56:50 GMT

In article <1440300001@gn.apc.org> exchangez@gn.apc.org (Zina Kaye) writes:
>
>Hello from another first poster
>
>I've just emerged, wrinkled but happy, from several hours of reading soc.bi
>postings in the bath. My my *steps back in amazement* there's a lot
>going on. Pleasing to me because I have just returned from Sydney, where the
>LGBO community is huge,prominent, dedicated, strong, supportive and damn 
>sexy.
>
Welcome!

 <*hugs*hugs*>

How do you do it in the bath? (read postings I mean, without risking
electric shock) Did you download them, use a battery-operated portable
water-resistant newsfeed or what?

(Sounds a bit like a Silva cartoon, if you've seen those...)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: muffins anonymous
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:11:14 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1993Jan12.004444.24071@fuug.fi> an5402@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Now that I no longer have a reason for lurking (isn't anonymity grand?), I
>wanted to jump in and say hi.  "HI!"
>
>Eventually I hope to stop hiding behind an anonymous number, but for now
>it feels great to finally take part in the discussions.
>
>I've suffered the sting of bi-wariness, I've come out to family and friends,
>I've had my share of bad hair days, and yes...I occasionally would like to ask
>for a hug.
>
>Thanks to all of you for being here.
>
>Renee

*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HGU*UGH*HUG*UG*HUG*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE*

Anytime, Renee.  Question, though... Is your name actually Renee and you just
want to keep your eddress anon... or is your name something else?

						Steve

-- 
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| Stephen C. Litterst           |  Nice guys finish last...              |
| kyraan@bach.udel.edu           \ 	But we do get to sleep in.       |
|_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\______________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: The reading list
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:04:02 GMT

I've been asked by several to post a reading list
so I will

Michel Foucault		The History of sexuality
Carole S. Vance (ed)	Pleasure and danger:exploring female sexuality
Jeffrey Weeks		Sexuality and its discontents: meanings, myths,
			and modern sexuality
Barry Adam		The survival of domination: inferiorization of 
			everyday life
Warren Blumenfeld	Homophobia: how we all pay the price.
Barry Adam		The rise of a gay and lesbian movement
Jeffrey Weeks		Sex, politics and society
Amanda Udis-Kessler	Bisexuality:challenging the myths
Lisa Orlando		Beyond defense: considering next steps for
			bisexual liberation
Lucy Freidland and Liz Highleyman
			The fine art of labeling: the convergence of
				anarchism, feminism and bisexuality.

These talk about a lot of different issues.  Here is something
which I especially like from an articlee in Vance.

It is up to all of us to try to prevent more barbarism and to encourage
erotic creativity.  Those who consider themselves progressive need to 
examine their preconceptions, update their sexual educations, and acquaint
themselves with the existence and operation of sexual hierarchy.  It is
time to recognize the political dimensions of erotic life.
						Gayle Rubin.

And remaining true to my word - 
I know this isn't much of a love song but we are on a bed with majic
fingers.  My roommate.


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
If you can't be good,               It just means use your imagination. 
be good at it.  T.B.                     Billy Bragg 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: treating men as sex toys
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:55:14 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.105512.2001@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>>In article <MUFFY.92Dec24114049@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>>What do you mean by "emotional partner" (as distinct from a close friend)?

>Well, for me, it really isn't that distinct, actually...*smile*.  I
>realized a couple of years ago that the only difference between my close
>friends and my lovers was how much I wanted to have sex with them.

Absoloutely the same for me, as time goes by I have hardly any
close friends who have not been lovers.  One or two notable exceptions
left :-( but I am sure time will fix that one .....


Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: What to do at a bar?
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:57:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.184403.10274@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:

>Remember that men and women
>are socialised such that they sort-of know how to do the
>bar-pickup thing: all the implicit knowledge is there
>ready to be used [...]

Oh yeah?  Can't say I learnt much about it where I was brought up
in rural Somerset...


--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: general dissatisfaction
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:33:53 GMT

In article <1isilbINNesr@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek. (js) writes:
>
>   btw---for general knowledge....
>   Jim gives really good hugs.  (Thanks, Jim!)
>And Jim needs to demostrate, now...
>
>Wonderful!  Now, how do I get mine, too?!  "Jim" that is,
>I can handle the white zinfandel myself.  *grin*
>
>john "it's only 2500 miles or so"  js
>   
>wink wink nudge nudge saynomore saynomore

Well, i hear that they are coming out with a blow-up doll of me due out
in may. :)  2500 miles, hmm? well under my frequent flyer plan
it would really be worth the trip. ;)

Jim 
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
If you can't be good,               It just means use your imagination. 
be good at it.  T.B.                     Billy Bragg
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi-wariness
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:43:15 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1993Jan6.213337.1@io.tudelft.nl> vdijk@io.tudelft.nl writes:

>I used to have a firm conviction that any group of people
>(white, black, muslim, chistian, feminist, gay, you name it) has its
>equal share of assholes.  Just the fact that a group is a group because
>they happen to share some firm conviction (yeah ;-) ) makes some of
>them speak out loud and reveal themselves as such.
>
>Soc.bi sort of changed my ideas on this.  Being a group where people
>tend to think of things from both sides seems to attract the more
>sensible among us.  

I wonder if that helps to explain why I feel more comfortable with this
group, despite not being bisexual and despite only having been posting
for a short time, than with (say) soc.men or soc.singles, where I don't
feel I've anything relevant to say?  People seem to be far less polarized
in their views here than on most of the soc.* groups.  


--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Purity
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:44:26 GMT

In article <93001.193910SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>In article <C071s6.H0G@demon.co.uk>, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
>says:
>>
>>In article <93001.140156SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon
>><SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>:Getting to be too much to quote.
>>:
>>:My favourite, if grammatically incorrect, response to 'what are you?'
>>:questions is 'a people'.
>>Wow!  You have a country all to yourself?! :)
>No, no, that would make me an instance of a People.
>
>Besides, isn't there some deep quote about all of us dwelling
>in our own country?

But... "No man is an island", as dear old John Donne remarked.  A
phrase lovely to me, ever since I, sitting quietly at a party, and
seeming somewhat sad, had a dear man wander up to me, and over the
tumult, murmur "No mayonnaise in Ireland".  "Do what?", I asked, a
tad perplexed.  "No mayonnaise in Ireland," he iterated.  "Then what
do they put in their sandwiches, then?" I said, bewilderedly.  Shaking
his head sadly, he wandered away into the throng.  It was a goodly while
before I realised what he'd been saying.

				Kay
-- 
the Crisco Kid: nasty pinko faggot agnostic pervert punk.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Purity
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:21:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.170050.4120@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
:
:   The people who compulsively sort people into bins will have a
:bin for _everyone_, despite how you try to get out.  You really and
:truly can't win against an anal-compulsive sorting disorder.

David, *HuG*!!!! - something you said just made me realise where my bug
is in my sort program! :-)

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
Organization: who, me?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:45:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.192506.4720@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.074334.4732@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
[Tanaqui confesses to owning Duran Duran albums...]

>YOU'VE BEEN PEEKING IN MY COLLECTION, HAVEN'T YOU?  DAMMIT, WOMAN,
>JUST COS I'VE GOT A DONNY OSMOND ALBUM IN THERE DOESN'T MEAN A THING.
>IT WAS BOUGHT AS A JOKE, HONEST!

Ha!  I've got you _all_ beat.  I own a David Soul album.  <blush>

>As someone who has long wished to traumatise Ms Bush, I'm now not
>sure that I'll like this woman.  And, dammit, why does she have to
>be named after That Party? :)

Well, she's not--That Party is "Tory", not "Tori".  nyah.  And ignore
the Kate Bush reference--you _will_ love her (you are getting sleepier
and sleepier...).  Trust me.  I know what I'm doing....and I've Never
understood the Kate Bush thing.

>>And reason #3 for going to America is that I have her address |-)

She lives here!  ON my side of the pond?  Aigh!  <hyperventilate>
Is democracy safe for mankind?  (Don't answer that...)


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.bi