HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:04:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.102002.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>In article <ewillims.717872651@unix1.tcd.ie> ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams) writes:
>>In <1992Sep29.172305.15217@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>>>>
>> 				(Bad habit I've got--I like to cook, but 
>>>>>(in keeping with my general perception of overkill as a philisophical
>>>>>ideal) I tend to cook more than I can manage to eat myself--and now that
>>>>>I've picked up a 12-quart Farberware stewpot, this is probably just 
>>>>>going to get worse (what am I going to do with a gallon of real chocolate
>>>>>pudding that I'm now getting the urge to make?).)
>>>>
>>>>	A man who loves to cook?  Mmmmmm.....:)
>
>  Why the Mmmmmm? Many (maybe most) men know how to cook, and need
>I remind the net.readers that the overwhelming majority of the world's
>great chefs are all men.

 That's because a chef is a higher paid position.  Until quite recently, 
 it was extremely difficult for women to get hired as a chef.

 Things are changing, there are many more women chefs these days.  But
 just 5 years ago, I read an article in Parade Magazine about one of
 the great cooking schools that turns out some of the great chefs 
 (I forget which one).  They claimed that women were not fit to be 
 chefs, one reason being that it was unsanitary for women to handle 
 meat while menstruating!

>
>  The presumption that men as a class don't cook is sexist!

 Generalized - and hopefully becoming a thing of the past :
   Some Men don't like doing work for which there is little thanks.  Men 
   are not often the ones who "cook" at home, daily, becuase it is expected
   of them.  They cook the big meal on the weekends for which they get much
   attention and praise.

>
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  "Middle-aged Mutant Ninja Animator" |
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>|   "I got to keep the kitchen in the divorce........                    |
>|               because my ex forgot we _had_ one!"  :)                  |
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

		"Creativity overcomes violence."
				John Bradshaw on "Homecoming"
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
Followup-To: soc.women,soc.men
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 10:16:04 GMT

In article <137606@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.155335.2585@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>>
>>  Actually, a woman's eyelids become suffused with blood after a good orgasm.
>>That's what eye shadow tries to simulate.
>
>This is the most *utterly* *ridiculous* thing I've seen posted here
>today!  Although the post about withholding sex because the male desires
>it is a close second.

I thought it was funny.  I wonder how many people checked out their
eyelids after having an orgasm.

I'm still trying to figure out what a bad orgasm is...
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu (SunCat)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Music Suggestions
Keywords: Joe Jackson
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:49:37 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

"Real Men"
"Is she really going out with him?"
"It's different for girls"
"Everyone's getting so down hearted" (not sure of this title)
  --all by Joe Jackson

=======SunCat======kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu=============
As a description of political ideas, "political correctness"
expresses, literally, nothing. It is an empty vessel of a signifier
into which meaning is poured on a purely expedient and ad hominem
basis." --Jamin Raskin
Xref: sparky soc.men:17078 soc.women:17164 soc.singles:26695
From: lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:46:55 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.172305.15217@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
|> 
|> Sure, a wife would be handy--especially someone who would be willing to
|> help me eat all these apple pies and the great big pot of vegetarian
|> chili that I've just made.  (Bad habit I've got--I like to cook, but 
|> (in keeping with my general perception of overkill as a philisophical
|> ideal) I tend to cook more than I can manage to eat myself--and now that
|> I've picked up a 12-quart Farberware stewpot, this is probably just 
|> going to get worse (what am I going to do with a gallon of real chocolate
|> pudding that I'm now getting the urge to make?).)
|> 

Buy a freezer.  That's what I did.  :-)  Your pies and the chili will
freeze just dandy.  The pudding, however, may not do quit so well.

-- 

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
|    /)                      | Lana Mountford    
|   / /  __    ___    __     | (who has enough coq au vin and beef  
|__(_/__(__)\__/  )__(__)\__ |  burgundy to last the winter -- pumpkin
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  bread/pies/cookies go in next month)
Xref: sparky soc.men:17215 alt.sex:31588 alt.feminism:1888
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:14:31 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct1.142723.6519@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.230820.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.180518.12856@microsoft.com>, ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown) writes:
>>> In article <sem_QgO00YV9M4zfEh@andrew.cmu.edu> rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Ann Stallings) writes:

>>> gossypol).  The Pill, while it _does_ have quite a few nasty side effects,
>>> does not have irreversible side effects of any kind.  (At least, I've never
>>> heard about the Pill causing sterility or death.)
>>> Eric

>>The Pill made me so depressed I nearly killed myself. I'd call that pretty
>>damned permanent.

>They also try to prescribe it for anyone having severe menstral cramps.
>After looking at the side effects (acne, water retention, depression,
>*worse* cramps, strokes, death (yes it can cause death)) I swore
>never to take it.  I just don't think it's worth the risk.  Some of
>these side effects are pretty serious.

The pill can cause death, sterility, or permanent impairment. It is still
safer than pregnancy for any category of women.

This isn't to say the pill is safe - it is to note that pregnancy is 
dangerous.
 
The contraception situation is this - you make your choices and you take
your chances...


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: robert@informix.com (Robert Coleman)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Political Correctness
Keywords: political correctness PC P.C.
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:55:58 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

me@isnext19.msu.edu (My Account) writes:

>--"[P]olitical correctness" does not exist, and has never existed, as
>a body of political ideas. It is not an ideology, like socialism,
>liberalism, 0 or nationalism, nor is it an organized (or disorganized)
>social movement. Nor is it a world view, a moral philosophy, a
>partisan organization, an intellectual trend, or even an academic
>faction. As a description of political ideas, "political correctness"
>expresses, literally, nothing. It is an empty vessel of a signifier
>into which meaning is poured on a purely expedient and ad hominem
>basis."  "Enforcers of today's brittle status quo now employ
>"politically correct" to describe any political position which
>disputes the soundness of economic life, the validity of the assertion
>that racism and sexism no longer influence our society, the
>infallibility of corporate power, the nobility of right-wing culture,
>the value of militarism, or the wisdom of any given policy of the
>Reagan-Bush tenure."

	How amusing.  In case anyone misses it, this excerpt both denies 
any kind of definition for "Politically Correct" and simultaneous provides 
one.  The author is torn by the hilarious conflict between wanting to deny 
people a handle that would allow them to criticize certain kinds of thinking, 
and the desire to *attack* the politics of those who criticize those kinds 
of thinking (which is difficult if not impossible without defining 
"anti-PC"...a process that necessarily defines PC.)
	It's very clear that the author has an understanding of what is 
meant by PC, and that suggests that the term PC is very useful and real
indeed.  He or she expresses those concepts in a biased fashion, but
nevertheless, belies their own claim of the meaninglessness of the term.

Robert C.
-- 
----------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: My company has not yet seen fit to
	    elect me as spokesperson. Hmmpf.
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: dl@cockatoo.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Reply-To: dl@thumper.bellcore.com
Organization: Packet Communications Research Group (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 03:02:59 GMT

In article <BRUCE.92Oct6180738@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk>, bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:
|> >>>>> On 6 Oct 92, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) said:
|> 
|> > The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.
|> 
|> WHAT?  No garlic?  Or is that included with chocolate?
|> --
|> Bruce


I must heartily agree with the previous post. After being attacked by 
vampyres on three seperate occaisions, I shall never leave home without
this life saving subterainian biomass.

dan
Xref: sparky soc.men:17022 soc.women:17117 alt.sex:31092
From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:39:13 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Sep27.204307.7940@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
>From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
>Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
>Date: 27 Sep 92 20:43:07 GMT

>hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress) writes:
>>   I'm baffled by "Webster's Ninth New 
>>Colegiate Dictionary`s" less-than-accurate 
>>discription of: cli to ris: (1615) :a small 
>>organ at the anterior or ventral part of the 
>>vulva homologous [similar in structure] to 
>>the penis.  -- It should have read: "homologous 
>>to the _glans penis_"

>I take it then you've never heard of the Lowndes's crowns theory? There's
>a book on it - "Eve's Secrets" or something like that ... suggests that
>the clitoris is analogous to the the penis shaft up to but not including
>the glans, and that the flap of flesh around the exterior of the female
>urethra is the actual glans analog. The book seems quite well researched
>and convincing. I'll see if I can't dig it out to give you a better pointer.

>-- 
>Internet: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au   UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!munnari!cssc-syd!pete
>Snail: 1/18-20 Orion Road, Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia    Phone: +61 2 911 3130
>The game is afoot!

Guys, guys. You'll never really know whether women have orgasms or not! Just 
like you'll never really know how rover feels about alpo. Give it up.
//////////////////////////////////////
/* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */
//////////////////////////////////////
Xref: sparky soc.men:17128 alt.sex:31389
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:42:57 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <sem_QgO00YV9M4zfEh@andrew.cmu.edu> rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Ann Stallings) writes:
>By
>contrast, it seems that companies are unwilling to release a male pill
>until it's absolutely perfect, not wanting to inconvenience or endanger
>men.

This is true, but I don't really think it has anything to do with sexism.
The safety requirements for releasing *any* drug now are *much* more 
rigorous than they were in the 1960's.  You also mention that the pill
has some side effects still.  True, and for that reason I think you 
would have trouble getting it released now.  But since it has already
been released and a rather large demand has been created for it, I
don't think the FDA is willing to try to remove it.

Joe
From: baba@samadhi.Tymnet.COM (Duane Hentrich)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:36:03 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <6791@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> mxsst1+@pitt.edu (Michael   Stroucken) writes:
>How about this to control human population: Every woman, who has had one
>child, will have her tubes tied. Unlike male sterilization, where there's
>a possible change in ejaculate (with psychological side effects), females
>will experience no change in sexuality, and can fornicate to her hearts content

Hey, somebody book this guy on a slow boat to China.

"Possible change in ejaculate"? Haven't experienced that, nor do I remember
anyone listing that as a possibility. What kind of changes anyway (besides
the lack of spermies, that is)?

-- 
d'baba Duane M. Hentrich	baba@Tymnet.Com

We have yet to learn that the thing uttered in words is not therefore affirmed. It must affirm itself, or no forms of logic or of oath can give it evidence. 
The sentence must also contain its own apology for being spoken. - R.W.Emerson
Xref: sparky soc.men:17335 soc.women:17374
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: woops
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:27:28 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Followup-To: soc.women
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <BvKIzt.FuI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu writes:
>The problem is (since this is soc.women) that it seems society values women's

	Oh, well, actually, it's not.  There's this line up at the front
of your articles you can change if you don't want to cross-post, you know.


Xref: sparky soc.men:17055 soc.women:17143
From: ccsmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:51:24 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

I'd like to start a new thread on what you find irritating about your
partner's habits around the house - and If possible provide an explanation
for the peeve.

I have recenetly moved in with my girlfriend and have started to discover
that she, to me at least, seems annoyed at things I think are trivial.

Below are a number of conventions she would like me to follow - she gets
quite irate if I don't observe them ;-)

1. The toilet seat must always be closed after use.
  
   To me this seems trivial, ok it's aestetichally more pleasing maybe but
   I believe a house is to be lived in not displayed like a showroom. Also
   leaving the seat up will allow those nasty smells to go out through the
   window :-)

2. Toast must always be eaten of the biggest plate to avoid crumbs.

   Ok, so she does do the hoovering. But I'm 23 now and can actually eat
   toast from a saucer without spilling crumbs everwhere :->

3. When sat on the bed, the quilt cover must first be moved aside.

   So she doesn't want creases in the quilt - again I say 'a house is a
   functional place, where one lives - not a showroom that has to be perfect'.

4. She follows me around whenever I use the bathroom and *tidies* up before
   I've even finished.

   Aaaagghhh!

So, there are a few things we need to sort out.  What about the rest of you,
is there something that annoys you or your other half?  Do you wage a constant
mind battle with them or give in for a 'quite life'?

Do men and women find different things trivial/important? Is there a common
thread between all these?

Mark
-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|>  Mark Harding, Most excellent & triumphant programmer.  044  0225 826057   <|
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Newsgroups: soc.men
From: schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz)
Subject: Re: If his dick offends thee, cut it off?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:26:41 GMT

In article <3851@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>penile amputations in the U.S. each year, and that most of these
>>occur during domestic disputes.  The gist of the story was that
>
>	To me, the interesting part of this is that the choice of target
>indicates that these incidents are probably not self-defense but that the
>attacks are intended to cause pain and cripple the target.  

Well, his use of the terms 'amputation' and 'kitchen knives'
(though that one was jokingly) might be off target.  I'm
guessing here, but I'd say that most of these cases result from
the trauma from being kicked in the groin, maybe repeatedly.
I find the alternative hard to believe, though that may just be
my own psychological block....

-S. Schultz
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Value of Womens' Lives (was: _Backlash_)
Summary: Aircraft Survival
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:52:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <10918@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) writes:
> In article <zn#p+0=.barry@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
> >	I don't recall airline instructions specifically, but I
> >_thought_ the rule was to put your own mask on first, the logic being
> >that you must remain able to function.
> 
> I recall them clearly.  You're right.  Loren's wrong.
> 
> -EMP

The situation is actually worse than that.  Yes,they tell you to
put your own mask on first before helping others,and that makes a
lot of sense, but there is something they don't tell you.

20/20 had a segment on surviving a crash and made the point that you
have 90 seconds to get out - or die.  Their advice - run for the
exit - DO NOT try to save anyone else, because you'll use up
your 90 seconds and die.  So what is a guy's choice - help others
and die - or run for the exit and explain later why you left others
(especially the women and children) to die.

I'd like to believe that other people would tell you you did the
right thing and that you would believe it - but I doubt it.  One
story keeps rattling around in my head but I can't get a handle on it,
maybe someone can refresh my memory.

These was a case some time ago with either a disaster or a crime
where a guy wound up killing himself because he "hadn't done enough".
Does this ring a bell with anyone?

marc colten
Xref: sparky soc.men:17310 talk.politics.misc:49410 alt.politics.correct:5599 bit.listserv.politics:15236
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 01:19:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:

>Now for Clue #2:  Consider how lucky your are that you are discovering all 
>these delightful differences -- instead of being bored with each other 
>because you are both so predictable.  Also consider these small things as 
>gifts, as practice for how you will resolve major life issues that will 
>appear later on.  Many of the things you mention are so easy for each of 
>you to have your own way -- like with two tubes of toothpaste, or a bedside 
>table on just your side.  Others might be met with compromise, like window 
>open and no fan.  

... or seperate bedrooms.

							--  Michal
From: rjg@eeyore.cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J. Green)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: This is MY space and YOU'RE in it...
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:25:36 GMT
Distribution: soc.men
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

Now I thought I was a relaxed, open type of caring sensitive guy. Your regular
New Man, or at least something like a New Man but less handsome. I share stuff
with my girlfriend, pizza, drinks, toothbrush, bedspace etc. I can talk about
the hassles of period pains and male harrassment with the best of them. Fine,
I even enjoy being so close to her.

The weirdest thing happened to me the other day. I had to move house so I was
packing my stuff into boxes preparing for the move. She popped over to pass
the time of coffee and offered to help, so I say OK, fine by me. So we were
working together, me packing boxes, she asking me where this and that should
go, when she refuses to help. Not verbally, but she just quietens down and
sits out of the way.

I ask her what's up and she admits to being scared of me. I was putting out
signals to her that this was MY space, being really terratorial and, not NASTY,
but cartainly bristly. I didn't even catch on I was doing this until she 
pointed it out. I thought I was being organised and energetic in my task, not
an entirely pleasant task, but I was doing it well. And I scared her! Weird...

This isn't a gripe, but it's amazing how deep and UNEXPLORED the male psyche
is. It's just taken for granted.

May I also take to chance to advertise our Birmingham Uni Gender Awareness
group - "Sexes Talk" and give a shout out to the Purple People in
Leicester Uni is it (?) who gave us such support in setting up. Its good to get
both sexes talking about a JOINT problem.. Thanks guys.

- Robin Green.

[ Quote - "I don't see the point of the Morse Code, I mean everyone knows it."]
Xref: sparky soc.men:16992 soc.women:17099
From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Value of Womens' Lives (was: _Backlash_)
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:24:31 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

In article <zn#p+0=.barry@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>	I don't recall airline instructions specifically, but I
>_thought_ the rule was to put your own mask on first, the logic being
>that you must remain able to function.

I recall them clearly.  You're right.  Loren's wrong.

-EMP
Xref: sparky soc.men:17314 alt.child-support:3403 alt.politics.clinton:8410
From: dgross@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:24:25 GMT
Organization: Manumission:  The Campus Men's Forum

"I know how awful it is for a kid to grow up knowing that somewhere out there,
there is some father who abandoned her or him.  I just -- it infuriates me.
And so, do I think we ought to have a Draconian system of national child
support enforcement?  I sure do.  I really believe that.  I do."

     -- Bill Clinton, in an interview with Christopher Matthews of
        the San Francisco Examiner.  Interview published in Image
        magazine, a supplement of the Sunday Examiner, 10/4/92.
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
	Ratio of men to women who are arrested on murder charges:  7.4:1
	Number of men executed in the U.S. since 1976:               175
	Number of women executed in the U.S. since 1976:               1
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism